OLD BUSINESS

[20. 5:00 Time Certain or as soon thereafter as can be heard - Public Hearing to consider LDC 2020-03 BF Rural Neighborhood Center (Planning Commission voted 7-0 to approve) (Commissioner Bolla's district)]

>> THANK YOU. >> WE ARE NOW GOING TO HEAD OVER TO THE 5:00 P.M. CERTAIN AND

[12. Approval of 20/21-11 Sole Source Purchase – Millennium Patented Access Control System (MPACS)]

THAT BEGINS WITH ITEM NUMBER 20. THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER LDC 2020 -- ZERO THREE BF RURAL NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER PLANNING. DO YOU WANT TO HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT. YOU CAN WALK US THROUGH IT THEN WE WILL HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT

AND THEN WE WILL OPEN IT UP FOR PUBLIC HEARING. >> THIS IS A COLD CHANGE THE AGENT IS MR. MILLER. THIS IS RECOMMENDED APPROVAL. THIS IS REGULATIONS TO PROVIDE FOR THE COFFEE AND DOUGHNUT SHOPS. AND THIS IS NOT EXCEEDING 5200 FEET THIS IS TO PROVIDE REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE PART OF THE DESIGN CRITERIA.

AND A DIFFERENT ENTRANCE AREA FOR THE GROCERY STORES AS OPPOSED TO THE REST OF THE AREAS. THIS WILL INCLUDE A GROCERY STORE AND PARKING SPACES MAY BE LOCATED AT THE FRONT BUILDING IF THE SIDE BUILDING FACES THE STREET.

SO IF IT FACES THE PARKING LOT IT CAN BE IN FRONT. THEN IT CHANGES THERE IS A LIMITATION THAT CAN BE DETERMINED. THERE IS NO LIMITATION IN SIZE

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IN TERMS OF A MUCH CAN BE USED FOR STORMWATER FACILITIES. ITIS NOT PART OF THE SPACE.

IT'S TYPICALLY WHAT WE DO WITH OTHER SITE PLANS THAT DON'T REQUIRE STORMWATER TO BE ON THE

SAME SIDE. >> THIS STILL HAS THE SEVEN ACRE DEVELOPMENT CLAUSE.

>> THIS IS STILL IN THERE. >> WE KEPT ASKING FOR THAT AND STILL DID NOT SEE IT.

IN YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, IT IS THE LAST SENTENCE. >> IS THE APPLICANT PRESENT

CLICKS. >> THERE YOU ARE. GOOD EVENING.

MY NAME IS FRANK MILLER. MY ADDRESS IS 225 WATER STREET, JACKSONVILLE FLORIDA.

I AM HERE ON BEHALF OF CONFORMING THE DEVELOPMENT TO THE AMENDMENT YOU GUYS MADE A MONTH OR COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO. MOST OF IT IS VERBATIM FROM THE COMP PLAN.

I WILL REASSURE YOU THAT THE PLAN STILL READS THAT ONLY 7 ACRES CAN BE USED FOR COMMERCIAL. I AM AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

>> I THINK THIS WILL BE A GOOD PROJECT. >> THANK YOU.

WE WILL HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC HEARING. THE PUBLIC HEARING IS OPEN.

DOES ANYONE WANT TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM I SEE NONE. >> REMEMBER TO STAY ON TOPIC.

>> YES MA'AM I APOLOGIZE. I THOUGHT THIS WAS THE THEATER WHEN.

BOOTH IS THE OAK LEAF. FLOW I JUST LIKE TO REMIND YOU THAT, I SAVED MY NAME.

I WOULD JUST LIKE TO REMIND YOU THAT THIS PART OF THE COUNTY WAS BUILT UP A LOT BY -- WITHOUT AN IMPACT FEE. SO I WOULD ASK THAT THERE BE CONSIDERATION, WE HAVE A LOT OF STUFF GOING ON WITH THE HUNDRED $29 MILLION THAT YOU ARE TRYING TO PUT INTO PLACE AND THERE'S JUST GOING TO BE A LOT OF GRIDLOCK THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE COUNTY, PEOPLE THINK 2-20 IS BAD BUT WE WILL THINK IT WAS REALLY GOOD. MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE

[21. 5:00 Time Certain or as soon thereafter as can be heard - Public Hearing to consider adoption of CPA 2020-06, LA Asbury Village Center Text Amendment (Commissioner Hendry's district)]

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>> AT THE TIME THE VILLAGE CENTERS WERE ADDED, THE BELTWAY WAS ON THE MAP BUT THERE WAS NO MONEY. AT THAT TIME THE COUNTY AGREED BUT THERE WAS NO CONCEPT OF WHEN THE ROAD WOULD BE BUILT. SINCE WE KNOW THE ROAD IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION WE KNOW WE WILL OPEN SOON WE THINK IT IS APPROPRIATE TO LET THE DESIGN AND THE PLANNING TO START AT THIS POINT. THIS LETS US GET STARTED SO IT WILL BE OPENED BY THE TIME THE

BELTWAY IS HERE. >> ITEM NUMBER THREE IS NOT LIMITED.

WHAT WOULD THAT INCLUDE. CAN YOU SPEAK TO THAT ISSUE? THERE IS A POLICY THAT HAS COMMERCIAL USES. IT'S A PLANNING TERM. IT ALLOWS YOU TO STRATIFY NOT BY THE SIZE OF THE BUILDING BUT THE MARKET SHED FOR THE TYPES OF COMMERCIAL PIXEL NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL WOULD BE YOUR DRYCLEANER. IT WOULD BE YOUR SHOE STORE.

THINGS THAT ARE IN EACH NEIGHBORHOOD THAT PEOPLE FIND CONVENIENT AND NEED EVERY DAY.

COMMUNITY USES TEND TO BE THE STEP UP TO A GROCERY STORE TO A TARGET OR A WALMART.

AND REGIONAL USES ARE THOSE LOCATED AT INTERCHANGES. USUALLY ONLY ONE OR TWO.

IT WOULD BE THE I SAY THE -- ICE-SKATING CENTER. SO REGIONAL USES ARE WHERE PEOPLE.-- DRIVE A COUPLE OF DISTANCES. SO IT WAS IN SMALL-SCALE.

YOU ADDED POLICIES TO THE PLAN AND IT DEFINED REGIONALS SINCE THIS POLICY WAS WRITTEN.

SO ADDING THIS TERMINOLOGY HELPS PEOPLE WHO WANT TO BUY THE PROPERTY AND UNDERSTAND THE INTENT. SO BEING LOCATED IN AN INTERCHANGE IS APPROPRIATE TO THE COMMUNITY USES. SO THE ITEM YOU CONSIDERED NEXT IS GETTING SPECIFIC USES.

THIS IS, YOU CAN HAVE SOMETHING OTHER THAN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THE NEXT ITEM HAS A LIST OF USES. SO YOU CAN LOOK AT WHETHER THOSE WERE APPROPRIATE.

>> THANK YOU FOR THIS. >> DOES ANYONE ELSE HAVE A QUESTION?

>> WE WILL NOW OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING, DOES THERE -- IS THERE ANYONE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK?

>> YES, MA'AM, JAMES. I LIVE ON STATE ROAD 21. MIDDLEBURG, FLORIDA.

I HEARD NO MONEY. DID YOU HEAR THAT. THAT WAS A QUOTE.

NO MONEY. I WANT YOU TO REMEMBER THAT. YOU DON'T HAVE TO PASS ALL OF THIS STUFF. YOU DON'T HAVE TO PASS EVERYTHING THAT COMES IN FRONT OF YOU. THIS IS ANOTHER AREA THAT THEY BUILT WITHOUT IMPACT FEES.

IS IS -- ITS UNCERTAIN TIMES THAT WE KEEP HEARING THAT. I CAN SIT HERE IN A BOARD MEETING AND IT CAN GO FROM EVERYTHING IS GREAT TO ALL OF A SUDDEN WE CANNOT PAY THE FIREFIGHTERS. WE CAN ONLY GIVE THEM TWO THIRDS OF WHAT THE OTHER AREAS ARE

GIVEN. >> LISTING ON TOPIC. WELL, YOU KEEP MAKING THESE

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IMPACTS TO THE COUNTY. AND WE HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF ALL ENTITIES GOING ON.

WHEN YOU ARE ADDING THESE ROAD TRIPS AND YOU COMPLETELY IGNORE THE FIRE DEPARTMENT SAID THEY ARE ARE $2,000 UNDER WHAT THEY NEED. AND YOU GUYS ARE GOING AGAINST

THE VOTERS THAT VOTED NO FIELD OF DREAMS. >> YOU ARE WAY OFF OF THE TOPIC.

WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT WAGES. >> YOU ARE EXPECTING EVERYONE TO PAY FOR THESE CHANGES THAT YOU ARE DOING. THERE IS ONE PILE OF MONEY. THE CIIZENS MONEY THERE'S NO FREE MONEY. THIS IS COSTING US. YOU GUYS KEEP IMPACTING THE COUNTY IN A BAD WAY. YOU KEEP APPROVING STUFF AND THE ROADS ARE NOT FAIR.

WE HEAR IT CONSTANTLY. WE HAVE PEOPLE COMING BECAUSE OF THE DRAINAGE ISSUES.

YOU DON'T THINK THIS IS PART OF IT? YOU DON'T THINK THE RUNOFF IS

PART OF THE ISSUES? >> I THINK YOU LIKE TO TALK AND YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU'RE

SAYING HALF OF THE TIME. >> WILL I AM GLAD TO SEE MR. HENRY IS NOT THE CHAIR.

>> WAS THERE ANYONE ELSE WANTED TO SPEAK? >> I AM STILL CHAIR.

I WAS GRACIOUS ENOUGH TO LET MRS. HUTCHINS STAND IN BECAUSE I HAD A PRIOR COMMITMENT.

>> THAT CLOSES THE PUBLIC CLEARING AND WE BRING IT BACK TO THE BOARD.

I BELIEVE THIS IS IN MR. HENRY'S DISTRICT. >> I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THE

MOTION TO APPROVE. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR ITEM NUMBER 22.

ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. >> I THINK IT IS ITEM 21.

>> ITEM 21. THAT WAS YOUR MOTION. >> AND THE BOAT WAS 5-0.

[22. 5:00 Time Certain or as soon thereafter as can heard - Final Public Hearing to consider LDC 2020-02 B amend the timing of Lake Asbury Interchange Village Centers]

WE WILL NOW GO TO ITEM 22 WHICH IS RELATED AND WE WILL AT THE SPECIFIC USES.

>> CAROLYN WOULD YOU LIKE TO BRIEF US ON THIS? AND JUST, THIS IS THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE TO IMPLEMENT THIS SPIRITUAL IT HAS THE INTERCHANGE VILLAGE.

THIS IS STRIKING LANGUAGE UNTIL THE EXPRESSWAY IS CONSTRUCTED AND OPEN TO TRAFFIC.

DON'T DEVELOPMENT USES SHALL BE PERMITTED. AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION

RECOMMENDS APPROVAL ON THE SIXTH OF OCTOBER. >> THANK YOU.

WE WILL NOW OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. MS. FRASER WAS THERE ANYTHING YOU WANTED TO HEAR. I APOLOGIZE. WE WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

IS THERE ANYONE TO ADDRESS THAT COLLECTS SEEING THAT THERE IS NO ONE WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC

HEARING AND WHAT IS THE PLEASURE OF THE BOARD COLLECTS. >> MOVE FOR APPROVAL.

WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND ON ITEM 22. ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING

[23. 5:00 Time Certain or as soon thereafter as can be heard - Public Hearing to consider CPA 2020-08 to amend 0.46 acres on Suzanne Drive from Urban Core to Commercial (Planning Commission voted 7-0 to approve) (Commissioner Hutchings district)]

AYE. THE MOTION CARRIED 5-0. ITEM NUMBER 23, TIME CERTAIN AS THEY CONSIDERED CPA 2020 -- ZERO EIGHT TO AMEND 0.46 ACRES ON SUZANNE DRIVE.

>> YES, MA'AM. THIS IS IN THE ORANGE PARK PLANNING DISTRICT THE APPLICANT IS JOHN FAGAN HE IS REPRESENTED BY GARRISON. YOU HEARD THIS ON THE SIXTH OF OCTOBER AND RECOMMENDED APPROVAL. YOU CAN SEE THIS ON THE MAP.

THIS IS UNDER A HALF OF AN ACRE. THE TOTAL PROPERTY IS ONE POINT FOR ACRES.

THIS PROPERTY, HAS BEEN SPLIT WITH SOME COMMERCIAL AND THEY WANTED ALSO BE COMMERCIAL.

THE PLANNING, THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAD A DISCUSSION ABOUT ITS RELATIONSHIP.

THIS PROPERTY REALLY IS AT THE INTERSECTION SO TO SPEAK. AGAIN, LAND USE FROM RESIDENTIAL TO COMMERCIAL. WE DON'T HAVE ZONING AT THIS TIME SO THEY WILL HAVE TO COME BACK WHEN THEY FIND THE USE THEY WANT TO PUT IN THERE. THIS IS A VIEW OF THE PROPERTIES. THIS IS AVAILABLE FOR GENERAL OFFICE USE.

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IT IS SMALL PROPERTY. THAT IS ALL WE HAVE ON THAT. >> WITH THE APPLICANT LIKE TO

COME FORWARD. >> SAM GARRISON SHE DID A FINE SUMMARY I DON'T HAVE MUCH TO ADD. I JUST WANT TO REDEVELOP A PARTIAL FED HAS BEEN THEN WE DIG CLEARING. I THINK IT WAS 1961. IT HAS BEEN OVERGROWN AND YOU WOULD KNOW IT WAS THERE UNLESS YOU LOOK THROUGH THE OVERGROWTH. THIS IS ONE OF THE HISTORICAL PARCELS THAT DOES CARRY WITH IT LAND USE DESIGNATIONS. THE TOP PORTION ON THE TOP IT HAS BB ZONING. WE ARE NOT SEEKING THIS. IN ORDER FOR US TO PUT IT TO MARKET INTO THE WORK, TO MAKE IT MARKETABLE IT IS IMPORTANT TO HAVE IT ADJUSTED.

>> VERY GOOD. >> THANK YOU. DOES ANYONE ELSE WANT TO SPEAK

ABOUT THIS. >> I WANTED TO SEND IN SOME PICTURES AS THE CITIZEN ATTORNEY I WISH THEY HAD A BIGGER MAP. IT IS A LITTLE MAP. I WISH THEY COULD PROVIDE A BIGGER MAP. RIGHT HERE WE HAVE A BAD ISSUE. WE HAVE PEOPLE GOING THROUGH THE

PUBLIC'S TO GO NORTH, I BELIEVE IT IS. >> THERE'S NO PUBLICS IN THIS AREA. IN REFERENCE, YOU HAVE BEEN INTERSECTION THERE IS RESIDENTIAL BEHIND THEIR THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY ARE PUTTING IN THERE.

THE ROAD TRIPS AND THE PEOPLE IN-AND-OUT OF THERE. WE TALKED ABOUT CONJUNCTION SO YOU ARE GIVING AND APPROVAL FROM WHAT I HAVE SEEN AND THEN THEY WILL COME BACK AND PUT WHAT THEY WANT ON IT LATER. A LOT OF THESE ARE COMING BACK TO YOU.

THEY REZONE THEM ONE WAY AND THEN THEY WANT TO COME BACK AND REZONE THEM AGAIN BECAUSE THEY COULDN'T GET IT THAT WAY THE FIRST TIME. THEY COME BACK AND TRY TO GET IT RESOLVED AGAIN AND MAKE YOU FEEL BETTER. JUST GIVE US MORE.

BUT THIS IS A SERIOUS PROBLEM WITH TRAFFIC ACCIDENTS AND BITES.

I CAME DOWN THE OTHER DAY AND I STOPPED AT EVERY LIGHT. WE WANT TO CENSOR IT SO THE BUS

CAN GO DOWN THERE. >> THIS IS ABOUT THE PARCEL. THE BUS IS RUNNING RIGHT THERE APPEAR IT HAS A RIGHT-OF-WAY. WE ARE PAYING FOR THAT. BUT YET THE BUS HAS THE RIGHT OF WAY. THAT PROBLEMS RIGHT THERE ON THE ROAD.

YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING COLLECTS SO, YOU JUST KEEP ADDING. IF IT WAS RESIDENTIAL WITH THE ROAD TRIPS. ALL OF THE LIGHTING THERE. THAT IS ALL RESIDENTIAL.

SO, THERE IS A LOT OF ISSUES. WHY ARE YOU APPROVING SOMETHING BEFORE YOU KNOW WHAT THE DEAL IS. THAT IS PART OF CLAY COUNTY'S PROBLEM.

THEY DON'T HAVE GOOD PLANNING. THEY JUST APPROVE AND WE WILL FIGURE OUT THE PROBLEMS LATER

THIS IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE. >> THANK YOU MR. OTTO. >> IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO

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ENTERTAIN A MOTION. >> IS THERE ANYONE ELSE TO SPEAK TO THIS ITEM.

SEEMS THERE IS NO ONE WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. >> I MOVED TO APPROVAL.

>> I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

IT SOUNDS LIKE WE HAVE 5-0. >> THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY IS PRETTY DILAPIDATED AS YOU DRIVE DOWN THE BOULEVARD. THIS GOES A LONG WAY OF CLEANING UP THE COUNTY.

IT IS A POSITIVE MOVE. >> VERY POSITIVE. >> ON ITEM NUMBER 24.

[24. 5:00 Time Certain or as soon thereafter as can be heard - Continuation of CPA 2020-09.]

THE APPLICANT HAS ASKED TO CONTINUE THIS ITEM TO THE PLANNING MEETING.

I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC MEETING. YOU CAN CONTINUE TO SPEAK ON IT. THIS WILL BE THE ONLY TOPIC.

WE WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. IS THERE ANYONE TO SPEAK TO THIS.

>> MAKE SURE YOU STAY ON THIS TOPIC. >> I WAS LOOKING FOR YOU GUYS TO SPEAK AND CLARIFY THE ISSUE. YOU BASICALLY DON'T HAVE ANY CLUE WHAT WERE TALKING ABOUT.

WE CAN SPEAK NEXT WEEK. THEN IT WILL COME BACK TO US. THE PLANNING AND ZONING MEETING.

PLANNING AND ZONING NEXT WEEK& AND BACK TO THE BOARD AFTER THAT.

>> I WAS PAN ATTENTION, I APOLOGIZE. YOU HAVE SO MANY INITIAL SPIRIT I WAS TRYING TO PLACE THE INITIALS IF YOU CAN REMIND ME. THE ITEM IS A CASE NUMBER.

WERE NOT GOING TO DISCUSS IT ON THE BOARD. >> WE ARE NOT HERE TO EDUCATE YOU. WE ARE HERE FOR COMMENTS. BUT YOU WILL GET TO SPEAK AGAIN

AT OUR NEXT MEETING. >> YES, I DID. WE WILL CLOSE THAT AND MOVE ON

[25. 5:00 Time Certain or as soon thereafter as can be heard - Final Public Hearing To Consider Adding Horse Hotels As A Conditional Use Within The AG, AR And AR-1 Zoning Districts (Planning Commission Vote 7-0 to Approve)]

TO ITEM NUMBER 25. MADAMS CHAIR. THIS IS THE FAMOUS HORSE HOTELS. THIS WAS FIRST BROUGHT ON OCTOBER 13. IT IS FOR ADDITIONAL USE SO IT REQUIRES TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS.

>> THANK YOU. WE WILL HEAR FROM STAFF AS AN OVERVIEW.

WE WERE ASKED WHERE PEOPLE CAN RENT STALLS AND SPAY, IT'S NO LONGER THAN A WEEK.

WHAT ABOUT BED-AND-BREAKFAST IS NOT INCLUDED. >> SO WE WILL NOW GO TO THE PUBLIC HEARING. WE WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. IS THERE ANYONE HERE TO SPEAK TO

THAT. CHAD IS THE APPLICANT HERE. >> STAFF IS APPLICANT.

>> STOP IS THE APPLICANT, SORRY ABOUT THAT. >> MR. OTTO YOU CAN COME TO THE

MICROPHONE. >> YES, MA'AM. 2908 HIGHWAY 21.

I WAS ACTUALLY AT THAT MEETING AND I SPOKE TO THEM AND I SAID I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY, THIS WHOLE SEASON. I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY EVENTS DOWN THERE, BY THE FOREST.

SO THEY HAVE A BETTER DRAW WITH THE SIZE. I WAS TELLING YOU I WENT TO THEIR MEETING. THEY HAD A BIG EVENT AT THE ONE I DROVE THROUGH WITH A LOT OF FOLKS THERE. ONE THING THAT I WOULD LIKE TO RECALL IS THE BARNYARD WEDDINGS.

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THAT WAS ON AGRICULTURAL LAND,. >> THAT'S DIFFERENT. THEY WILL STILL BE BUILDING AND WE WILL USE IT ON COMMERCIAL PROPERTY. THEY ARE TRYING TO PUT A BUSINESS ON AGRICULTURAL LAND. I WOULD VOICE THAT IT SHOULD BE TURNED INTO COMMERCIAL PROPERTY AND GO THROUGH ALL OF THE CHANNELS. THE ROADS, IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE LIKE A WEDDING AND THEN YOU GUYS STARTED DOING ALCOHOL AND SOME OTHER THINGS ON THE DIRT ROAD.

>> WERE TALKING ABOUT HORSES. >> BUT IT JUST LEADS FROM ONE THING TO ANOTHER WHERE YOU ARE

ALLOWING THIS. >> IT'S NOT ON THE ZONING. THIS IS A COMMERCIAL VENTURE.

YOU WILL MAKE MONEY. THIS IS A COMMERCIAL VENTURE WHY IS IT ON COMMERCIAL PROPERTY PAYING COMMERCIAL TAXES. GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS THE RIGHT WAY INSTEAD OF TRYING NOT TO PAY ANY TAXES ON IT. BECAUSE THAT IS YOUR MAIN DIFFERENCE BETWEEN AGRICULTURE AND THE COMMERCIAL, YOU'RE PAYING MORE TAXES. YOU HAVE MORE RIGHTS ON COMMERCIAL PROPERTY. BUT WHY ARE WE NOT LOANING THIS FOR THAT USE THAT IT IS.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU MR. OTTO. >> IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT

WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO THIS ITEM CORRECTS. >> SEEING THAT THERE IS NO ONE WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. TANGIBLE FOR APPROVAL.

>> I SECOND PRICK. >> ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

[26. 5:00 Time Certain or as soon thereafter as can be heard - Amendment to DRI DO for Crossings at Fleming Island DRI to allow for redevelopment of the movie theater. (Planning Commission voted 7-0 to approve) (Commissioner Cella's district)]

THE MOTIONS CARRY 5-0. ITEM NUMBER 26. REGARDING AN AMENDMENT TO THE

DRO -- DRI-D04 CROSSINGS AT FLEMING ISLAND. >> ISOM -- ITEMS 26 AND 27 ARE RELATED. THIS IS FOR AMENDING TO ALLOW FOR OTHER COMMERCIAL AND OFFICE USE FOR THE THEATER. THE PARCEL IS DESIGNATED AS A SERIAL PERFORMANCE.

HERE'S THE LOCATION EVERYONE IS FAMILIAR WITH THE THEATER. AND THIS IS THE BUILDING FOOTPRINT. THE APPLICANT AND THE AGENT ARE BOTH HERE.

>> WITH THE APPLICANT LIKE TO MAKE ANY COMMENTS? >> AS YOU KNOW, THE THEATER IS A BELOVED PART OF THE SOCIAL ATMOSPHERE. THEATERS AND GENERAL DURING THE PANDEMIC HAS COME UNDER FINANCIAL DISTRESS. THIS AMENDMENT IS TO ESTABLISH AN OPPORTUNITY FOR REDEVELOPMENT IF THAT BECOMES NECESSARY. THIS RESTRICTION FOR THE CROSSINGS AND IN THE ZONING. SO WE WILL GET TO THOSE SPECIFIC USES THAT YOU SEE APPROPRIATE AT THE NEXT HEARING BUT THIS IS TO ALLOW A SECOND USE IF IT BECOMES NECESSARY.

>> THANK YOU. I BELIEVE THIS IS A VICTIM OF COVID-19 WHICH IS UNFORTUNATE.

IT IS EXPENSIVE AS WELL. DID YOU HAVE COMMENTS? >> WE WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM

YOU. YOU CAME ALL THE WAY HERE. >> I ENJOY IT VERY MUCH.

>> JOHN O'CONNOR, I THINK IT WAS BEST STATED AT THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE.

SHE SAID JOHN, I CANNOT BELIEVE YOU'RE GOING TO MOVE THE MOVIE THEATER.

I SAID I'M NOT THERE CLOSE IN MARCH. IT TOOK ME FOUR MONTHS TO GET THEM EVICTED. I AM NOW TEN MONTHS OUT AND I'VE NOT COLLECTED ANY RENT.

WE ARE CURRENTLY NEGOTIATING WITH ONE THEATER. WE HAD THREE.

TWO WERE ELIMINATED. WE'RE DOWN TO ONE OF THEM. WE DO HAVE HOPES THAT IT WILL COME FORWARD. THE ONLY PROBLEM, THE THEATERS TODAY ARE SHAKY IF YOU WILL ABOUT SUCCEEDING. UNFORTUNATELY IF THEY DON'T GET THE MOVIES FROM THE MOVIE PRODUCERS THEY DON'T HAVE FIRST RUN MOVIES THEN THEY WON'T SUCCEED.

THEY NEED FIRST RUN MOVIES WEEKS AHEAD OF TIME BEFORE THEY GET STREAMING.

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YOU CAN SEE DISNEY DOING THIS. THEY HAVE ONE COMING UP CHRISTMAS DAY.

THEY ARE OFFERING IT FOR FREE. THAT'S IF YOU HAVE DISNEY PLUS. WE CAN'T COMPETE WITH THEM.

THE THEATERS CAN'T COMPETE WITH THEM. AS I TOLD MY BANKER AS WE WERE ON THE PHONE. I TOLD THEM WHAT WE WERE DOING ABOUT THE REZONING.

UNFORTUNATELY WHEN THIS WAS KNOWN, IT GOT THE DESIGNATION OF IT WAS RESTRICTED TO A THEATER.

WE FOUGHT FOR MONTHS, OR YEARS, TO GO FROM THREE TIERS -- I THEATERS TO 12.

IT HAS BEEN A TREMENDOUS SUCCESS. 2008, WE STARTED IN 2010.

THIS PAST YEAR WE SPENT $4 MILLION REMODELING. TAKING OUT THE STANDARD SEEDS AND PUTTING IN RECLINING SEATS. I GO TO SLEEP IN THE RECLINING SEATS.

I DON'T KNOW IF THAT IS A PLUS OR A MINUS. BUT, IT IS VERY UNFORTUNATE.

WE ARE A VICTIM OF CIRCUMSTANCES. WE ARE TRYING TO STAGE OURSELVES THE DEVELOPMENT ORDER DID NOT ALLOW THAT. SO AGAIN, THAT IS TRYING TO PUT OURSELVES IN THE RIGHT POSITION SO WE CAN MOVE FORWARD. I LOOKED AT THE PROPOSED

PURCHASE OF THE BUILDINGS, FROM MY THEATER. >> LET ME ASSURE YOU THE PRICE IS A GOOD PRICE. I CALCULATED IT OUT TO $111 PER YOU CANNOT BUILD IT FOR THAT.

DON'T FEEL BAD, ABOUT WHAT YOU ARE PAYING FOR. SO, JUST TO GIVE YOU AND IDEA.

THIS THEATER HAS A LOT MORE IMPROVEMENTS. BUT AGAIN, A NEW VISION.

WITH THE CURRENT TENNANT THEY WENT BANKRUPT IN MARCH. WE DO HAVE A GUARANTEE FROM AMC THEATERS WHICH UNFORTUNATELY AMC THEATERS ARE ON THE FAVORITE DUST RECORDS OF BANKRUPTCY.

THE OTHER THEATERS PULLED OUT. THEY ARE NOT FINANCIALLY VIABLE. EVEN THOUGH THE GOVERNOR HAS LIFTED THE RESTRICTIONS ON THEATERS BEING ABLE TO COME IN AND HAVING CAPACITY.

THEY STILL RESTRICT US AS FAR AS GROUPS APPEAR WE DO HAVE A TICKET SYSTEM THAT CAN ADJUST TO THE SITUATION IN GIVE US PROPER DISTANCING. I THINK, IT IS TRYING TO GET PEOPLE COMFORTABLE WITH THE FACT THAT WE WILL REQUIRE MASK INTO TEMPERATURE CHECKS.

ALL OF THOSE THINGS. I THINK PERSONALLY, I KNOW I WANT TO GO BACK TO THE THEATER I LOVE WATCHING MOVIES. THERE ARE CERTAIN MOVIES YOU CAN'T WATCH AT HOME ON YOUR TV.

BUT THEY PULLED BACK A LOT OF THE MOVIES UNTIL JUNE OF NEXT YEAR.

WE ARE LOOKING AT ANOTHER 6-9 MONTHS. I TOLD MY BANKER TODAY IF WE DON'T HAVE TO DEAL WITH AMC BY THE END OF THE YEAR WE HAVE TO LOOK AT OTHER OPTIONS.

IT IS COSTING ME $50,000 PER MONTH IN MORTGAGE PAYMENTS. SO I WILL BE OUT OF $50,000 BY THE END OF THE YEAR WITHOUT CORRECTING BEST BUY COLLECTING RENT.

IT IS HURTING ME. WE HAVE TO REPOSITION THEM FORWARD.

MY BANKER WAS CONSIDERATE AND UNDERSTANDING. THEY SAID I'M WITH YOU JOHN AS LONG AS YOU CONTINUE TO MAKE YOUR MORTGAGE PAYMENT. HE WAS VERY CONSOLATORY.

BUT IT IS. WE ARE IN GOOD FINANCIAL SHAPE SO WE CAN DO WHAT WE NEED TO DO.

I NEED YOUR HELP. I THINK IT WAS 7-0. THEY SAID JOHN PLEASE DON'T TAKE AWAY MY THEATER. I THOUGHT YOU TOOTH AND NAIL NOT TO PUT IT IN BUT I WANT IT BACK.

THE COMMUNITY LOVES IT. THEY CAN DROP THEIR KIDS OFF AND NOT WORRY.

THEY DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THEM LIKE AT THE MALL WHERE THEY HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THEM.

THAT IS WHY WE BUILT A FREESTANDING THEATER. I NEED YOUR SUPPORT.

THEY VOTED IN OUR FAVOR. AND I ASK YOU TO DO THE SAME. >> THANK YOU JOHN, WE APPRECIATE

YOU. >> OF ALL OF THE THINGS I MISS THE MOST THE THEATERS WON OF THEM. I KNOW I DON'T KNOW YOUR SITUATION BUT IF YOU OPEN I WILL

BE THE FIRST IN LINE. >> MY WIFE, AS I WATCH WESTERNS ON THE WEEKEND SHE KEEP SAYING

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YOU ARE SO MUCH LIKE MY FATHER. I GUESS WE ARE ALL REGRESSING BACK.

THERE ARE A LOT OF OLD MOVIES WE CAN DO. >> BUT YOU CAN'T MAKE MONEY ON OLD MOVIES. YOU'RE TALKING 5-DOLLAR TICKETS. WE NEED 12-DOLLAR TICKETS TO

MAKE MONEY. THAT IS WHERE IT IS. >> THANK YOU FOR SHARING.

>> I HAVE BEEN TALKING WITH JOHN SINCE MARCH ABOUT THE PEOPLE IN THE AREA AND THEY HAVE CONTACTED ME AND I TOLD THEM, THE DISCUSSION IS NOT CHANGED. I KNOW THE FOLKS BEHIND HIM ARE HOPING HE CAN GET THE BUSINESS OPENED AGAIN. IF NOT, HOPEFULLY WE CAN CONTINUE BECAUSE THE AREA COULD USE THAT. I THREW BACK TO ARTICLE I READ TWO YEARS AGO. I THINK IT WAS 2018 WHERE THEY RATED CLAY COUNTY AS A GREAT PLACE TO LIVE THEY WENT THROUGH CRIME AND EDUCATION EVERYTHING IN TERMS OF LOW TAXES.

THE ONE AREA THAT PENALIZE THE SPIRIT WE FINISHED 167 FOR FUN. SO WE NEED SOME FUN JOHN.

MAKE IT HAPPEN. >> THANK YOU. WE WILL NOW OPEN THE PUBLIC

HEARING. MR. OTTO. >> YES, MA'AM.

2908 MIDDLEBURG, FLORIDA. I HAD A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE OF THE SITUATION.

THERE HAS MANY AFTER THIS FOR YEARS ON THE MOVIE INDUSTRY HAD AN ISSUE.

IF SOMEONE MAKES AN INVESTMENT WE CAN'T BAIL THEM OUT CLEAR THEY ARE TRYING TO PAY FOR A THEATER OVER THERE WITH ALL KINDS OF ADVERTISEMENT. WE ARE IN ONE THING ON ONE SIDE AND HEARING ANOTHER ON ANOTHER SIDE. I UNDERSTAND OKAY LIZ DOING VERY WELL DOWN THERE. BUT I THINK, THE BEST THING FOR HIM TO DO IS TO TALK BECAUSE IT IS CLOSE. MAYBE THEY CAN GIVE HIM SOME INSIGHT.

THEY ARE DOING OKAY, RIGHT. THEN THE SCHOOL SPACE. YOU'RE PUSHING FOR ALL OF THESE KIDS TO GO TO SCHOOL. YOU NEED MORE SPACE. THAT WOULD BE A NICE ADDITION TO GETTING YOUR SPACE THAT YOU NEED FOR THE KIDS. AND, IT WOULD BE A GOOD PLACE FOR AN AUTO PARTS STORE. I WAS AT THE MEETING FOR THE YOU PUT RULES WHERE YOU COULDN'T HAVE AN AUTO PARTS STORE FLEMING ITEM -- MIKE ISLAND I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY.

IT WOULD BE A NICE PLACE FOR PEOPLE TO WORK ON THEIR CARS. BUT I THINK HE WOULD BE OKAY TO PUT THIS IN. BUT HE TOOK A LONG TIME TO GET THIS THING THERE.

AND WHEN CALIFORNIA HONESTLY, HOW CAN YOU SIT HERE AND SAY THIS IS COVID.

THIS HAS BEEN COMING FOR A LONG TIME. YOU CAN FILL OUT EVERYBODY YOU'RE NOT EVEN GIVEN US OVER 2,000 OTHER BUSINESS BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE A LICENSE HERE IN CLAY COUNTY. THERE IS NO BAILOUT HAPPENING. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK WE WILL CLOSE THE PART PUBLIC HEARING. I MOVED FOR APPROVAL WE HAVE A SECOND FOR APPROVAL SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. THE MOTION CARRIES 5-0.

[27. 5:00 Time Certain or as soon thereafter as can be heard - Final Public Hearing PUD-20-03 PUD to PUD (Planning Commission voted 7-0 to approve) (Commissioner Cella's district)]

YOU CAN SEE A NUMBER OF PLACES IT COULD GO TO THEY DID MEET WITH THE PLANNING COMMITTEE, AND THESE USES WERE ADDED PURSUANT TO THE MEETING. I THINK THIS MAY BE A PUBLIC ARENA EVERYTHING HAS TO BE ENCLOSED. THESE WERE CONDITIONAL USES PROVIDED LIKE AN ANIMAL CLINIC AND KEEPING IN LINE WITH THE SKATING RINK.

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THESE ARE USES THAT WERE ADDED TO THE PD. WE RECOMMEND IT IS RECOMMENDED

TO ALLOW THE OTHER USES IN THE BUILDING. >> THANK YOU.

>> I JUST WANT TO SPEAK BRIEFLY ABOUT THE USES. CURRENTLY ALL OF THE COMMERCIAL HAD A ZONING CATEGORY OF PUD. BUT IN THEIR THE USES WERE ALLOWED ON THE COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES THIS WAS A ZONE BACK IN 1988. WE ARE PROPOSING THAT THIS BUILDING, AND THE REST OF THE SITE AS THE ZONING. THE MOVIE THEATER COULD BE REDEVELOPED WITH THE USES YOU SEE EVERYWHERE. AND THE LIST THAT WE ARE PROPOSING THAT ARE PARTICULAR TO THE FACT THAT THIS IS 42,000 SQUARE FEET AND LITERALLY A TWO-STORY BUILDING. IT HAS USES THAT YOU MAY NOT BUILD FROM SCRATCH WE HAVEN'T.

THE AREA WOULD HAVE BEEN PROVIDED IF IT HAD BEEN A THEATER IN BEGINNING AND THIS IS

WHAT YOU WILL SEE IN THE ORDINANCE. >> REMIND ME WHAT BSC IS.

IT IS BUSINESS SHOPPING CENTER. SO GENERALLY, IT IS THE GROCERY STORE OR STRIP SHOPPING AND THE

PARCELS YOU SEE ON FLEMING ISLAND. >> LET ME SEE IF ANY OF THE

COMMISSIONERS HAVE QUESTIONS. >> I'M LOOKING FOR WAREHOUSE. SOUNDS LIKE A LOT OF SQUARE FEET MR. O'CONNOR I USED TO ENVY YOU AS A BUSINESSMAN BUT I DON'T WANT TO ENVY YOU NOW.

WE WILL DO EVERYTHING WE CAN FOR YOU PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW OPEN. IS THERE ANYONE WHO WISHES TO ADDRESS THIS? SEE NO ONE WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE. ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

[28. 5:00 PM Time Certain or as soon thereafter as can be heard - Public Hearing on the adoption of an ordinance to be known as the Clay County Mobility Fee Ordinance]

MOTION CARRIES 5-0. >> ITEM NUMBER 28. THANK YOU MADAM CHAIRMAN.

>> WE HAVE JEANETTE BERG. YOU HAVE HEARD THIS BEFORE SO IT WILL BE BRIEF.

SHE MAY EMPHASIZE SOME CHANGES WE HAVE PROVIDED YOU WITH NEW SPREADSHEETS.

CONTINUE TO CALCULATE AND TO BE HONEST WITH YOU I CAN'T BELIEVE THE NUMBER OF HOURS THEY PUT IN TRYING TO DEAL WITH ME WITH THIS PROPOSAL BUT THE CALCULATION, CREDITS AND WHAT YOU SEE TODAY ARE 1.5% LESS THAN WHAT THEY WERE TWO WEEKS AGO. SO THAT IS THE DIFFERENCE.

AND I'M SURE THE COUNTY ATTORNEY WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS THE ORDINANCE TOO.

>> THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT. TONIGHT WE WILL BRIEFLY GO OVER THE PROCESS TO REFRESH MEMORY SPIRIT BUT WE ARE MAINLY FOCUSING ON THE CREDITS, THE REVENUES THAT WILL BE GENERATED AND THE SUBSIDIES. SO WE HAD 15 MEETINGS, FIVE WITH STAKEHOLDERS TO INCORPORATE COMMENTS AND TO MAKE EVERYONE AWARE OF THIS PROCESS.

WE PRESENTED EVERYTHING AND IT IS CALCULATED. WE ALSO ON PERSONAL STRIPS AND SET OF VEHICLE TRIPS. WE WILL FOCUS ON THE CALCULATION SPIRIT THE CALCULATIONS AND THE MULTIPLICATION. WE DEAL WITH WHAT COMES FROM THE TENTH EDITION.

AAA WAS CALCULATED USING THE NORTHEAST FLORIDA PLANNING MODEL.

AND IT VARIES BY DISTRICT. IT WAS CALCULATED BASED ON THE DIFFERENT DISTRICTS.

THIS IS ALSO BASED ON THE ID MANUAL AND THE LAND USE THAT WE ARE CONSIDERING.

AND IF YOU REMEMBER THE DOUBLE COUNTING IS A TRIP INCIDENT STARTS AT THE SAME DISTRICT WE DON'T COUNT IT TWICE. SO WE DIVIDED BY TWO AND ITS 50%.

WE ARE ALSO APPLYING THAT TO NONRESIDENTIAL. FROM TRIP STARTING THE DISTRICT

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AND IN SOMEWHERE ELSE. OR START OUTSIDE. WE CAN CALCULATE THE NUMBERS.

SO THAT WE MAKE SURE WE ARE NOT DOUBLE COUNTING. BUT FOR NONRESIDENTIAL WE WERE ASKED TO MAKE IT 50%. WE CALCULATED WHAT THE VEHICLE MOELS ARE ON THE ROAD AND WE ARE NOT INCLUDING IT IN THE CALCULATION SPIRIT AND YOU CAN SEE THIS IN THE CALCULATION.

THIS IS BASED ON THE COST OF THE PROJECT SPIRIT AND THE CHANGE BETWEEN THE YEAR 2015 AND 2045 WHICH IS BASED ON THE LAND USE. BELOW YOU SEE THE CALCULATION SO IT IS MULTIPLICATION.

AND THE NET MOBILITY FEE IS THE BASE MOBILITY FEE MINUS THE CREDITS.

SO THIS IS THE LIST OF PROJECT SPIRIT WE JUST WANT TO POINT OUT THAT, THESE ARE THE PROJECTS THAT WE ARE CONSIDERING IN THE PLAN. THE NEXT SLIDE IS THE MAP.

WE DID TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE ROADWAYS AND DISTRIBUTED THE MILES TRAVELED BASED ON THE CALCULATIONS. THE BASE FEE IS WHAT YOU SEE ON THIS SLIDE.

IT SHOWS YOU WHAT THE COST PER TRAVEL IS BY DISTRICT. YOU SEE THE COST OF THE PROJECT.

YOU SEE THE TOTAL CALLS. YOU SEE THE BIKE AND PADS PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE IDENTIFIED. AND IF YOU REMEMBER, SOME OF THE COST ARE NOT SPECIFIC PROJECTS BUT INFRASTRUCTURE MONEY WE SET ASIDE TO USE FOR PROJECT SPIRIT WE HAVE ALSO IDENTIFIED TRANSIT HUBS AS THIS FIELD. THIS IS WHERE WE WANT TO FOCUS ON INTEGRATING TRANSPORTATION AND TRANSIT AND TO BETTER ALIGN THE LANE USE WITH THE FACILITIES SO WE CAN PROVIDE BETTER ACCESS.

YOU CAN SEE THE CHANGE THIS VALUE IN THE LAST COLUMN IS THE DIVISION BETWEEN THE TWO OF

THEM. >> THIS IS SINGLE-FAMILY, THE RATE STAYED THE SAME BECAUSE WE

ARE TALKING ABOUT LAND USE. >> WE HAVE EVERYTHING THAT DIFFERS IN THE DISTRICT AND BEEN WHO STAYS THE SAME. AND THE FEE IS DIFFERENT FOR EACH PARTICULAR DISTRICT.

BASED ON THAT YOU COME UP WITH A DIFFERENT MOBILITY FEE FOR EACH DISTRICT.

THIS IS BY EACH LAND USE THE SAME THING OCCURS. THE SAME CALCULATION.

SO EACH DISTRICT COMES UP WITH A DIFFERENT FEE BASED ON THE CHARACTERISTICS BUT "STAR TREK"

THAT'S WITHIN THE DISTRICT. >> SO THE CREDITS IS SOMETHING WE HAVE NOT LOST BEFORE.

IT'S NECESSARY BECAUSE THE MOBILITY DOES NOT COVER THE COST OF ALL OF THE PROJECT SPIRIT NOT ALL OF THE TRAFFIC IS GENERATED FROM THE LAND USE. SOME GIRLS STRAIGHT THROUGH.

SO WE CAN'T CHARGE THOSE TRIPS. THAT CREATES A FUNDING GAP. THIS IS WHAT WE ARE DISCUSSING.

HOW DO YOU DEAL WITH THE FUNDING GAP. THE MONEY HAS TO COME FROM SOMEWHERE. SO THIS SLIDE SHOWS YOU WHAT THE TOTAL RVENUE IS FOR THE MOBILITY FEE. WHAT THE TOTAL COST OF THE PROJECT IS, AND THE SHORTFALL.

>> SO THERE ARE TWO FUNDING SOURCES WE CAN USE TO MITIGATE THE GAP.

WHICH IS THE SECOND AND THIRD PERIOD SO, WE ESTIMATED, WHAT THE REVENUE IS RELATED TO THESE FUNDING SOURCES, AND WE CALCULATED WHAT IS NEEDED TO OFFSET THE CAP THAT WE HAVE.

ONE 100% OF THE SECOND LOCAL OPTION FUEL TAXES NECESSARY TO OFFSET THE GAP.

ONLY $1.8 MILLION IS NECESSARY FOR THE INFRASTRUCTURE SALES SURTAX.

SO, I BELIEVE THE NEXT SLIDE -- AN WE SHOW HERE, THE CREDITS ARE APPLIED TO THE DIFFERENT LAND

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USES AND WHAT WE SHOW HERE IS THE REVENUE BASED ON, THE NET CREDIT FOR EACH OF THE DIFFERENT DISTRICTS. SO, WE WERE ALSO ASKED TO CALCULATE IT FOR THE ROAD IMPACT FEE. THIS IS A COMPARISON OF WHAT ONE METHOD WOULD GENERATE VERSUS THE OTHER. WE ALSO WANT TO POINT OUT THE CREDITS FOR THE SURTAX WERE ONLY APPLIED FOR TWO YEARS IN THE ROAD CALCULATION. IF YOU APPLY THAT TO THE LENGTH OF THE PROJECT, OF THE STUDY, THAT NUMBER WOULD BE LITTLE WORK AND CLOSER TO THE CURRENT PROCESS. WITH THAT, WHAT IS NEXT LINE QUICK STAGE YOU CAN SEE HERE THE HAVE BEEN $109 MILLION COLLECTED THERE. WITH THE MOBILITY FEE $172 MILLION. THE MOBILITY FEE IS GOING WHERE IT IS NEEDED THE MOST WHICH IS LAKE ASBURY WHERE THE IMPROVEMENTS ARE NECESSARY. IN THE OTHER ONE, BRANDON FIELD IT GOES DOWN. THERE'S NOT MUCH GROWTH THERE, AND MORE IMPORTANTLY THERE'S NO NEED FOR THE IMPROVEMENTS BACK THAT GIVES YOU AN IDEA, THAT WE PRETTY MUCH WILL COLLECT AS MUCH IMPACT FEE AS MOBILITY FEE BUT IT WILL BE CONCENTRATED WHICH IT -- WITHIN THE MOBILITY DISTRICT.

>> CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE LAST SLIDE. THE TOTAL.

>> THE TOTAL FOR THE WHOLE COUNTY, FOR MOBILITY IS 2664 IT AND LIKE JEANETTE SAID WHEN THE IMPACT FEE WAS DONE, THE SURTAX HAS NOT BEEN VOTED ON SO THE@COO YEARS.

SO WE WOULD HAVE TO ADJUST THE IMPACT FEE FOR MORE CREDITS AND THAT NUMBER WOULD HAVE BEEN

CLOSER TO THE 266 MILLION. >> THEY COULD NOT GUARANTEED THE TAX WOULD BE ADOPTED.

IT WAS ONLY INCLUDED FOR THE TWO YEARS IT WAS ACTIVE. YOU ARE NOT COMPARING APPLES AND ORANGES BUT DIFFERENT CREDITS. WITH THAT I WANT TO ADDRESS THE SURTAX FOR THE SUBSIDIES.

I WILL GO TO THE SPREADSHEET SPIRIT I WILL CONCENTRATE ON LAKE ASBURY.

>> THIS IS THE LAKE ASBURY SPREADSHEET. LIKE JEANETTE SAID THE BASE MOBILITY FEE WAS CALCULATED BUT THIS IS THE PROPOSED MOBILITY FEE.

AGAIN, 6311 IS YOUR SINGLE-FAMILY. THE INCIDENT INCREASE IS THERE.

WE ARE RECOMMENDING SUBSIDIES. THESE ARE ON THE NONRESIDENTIAL SPIRIT YOU CAN SEE THERE ARE HEFTY SUBSIDIES PROPOSED. THIS IS IN THE LAKE ASBURY. YOU CAN SEE THE HEADING HERE.

EXISTING ROAD IMPACT FEE BEFORE THE SUBSIDY. WHAT THEY PAY NOW.

LET'S GO TO THE RETAIL SHOPPING CENTER. 8672 IS THE EXISTING FEE BUT YOU HAVE APPROVED A SUBSIDY OF 5,193. THAT IS WHAT THEY ACTUALLY PAY RIGHT NOW. SO AS YOU CAN SEE, THE COUNTY ALREADY SUBSIDIZES 35% OF THE

TOTAL COST OF THAT. >> THE BASE IMPACT FEE IS 16,777 AT YOU CAN SEE, IT IS AN INCREASE FROM BEFORE. WE ARE PROPOSING SUBSIDIZING 50% OF THE CHANGE FROM 5193, 45792.

MEETING STILL, THE IMPACT FEE WOULD BE 10,000, 9854 RETAIL SHOPPING CENTER.

>> LIKE YOU RECOMMENDED BEFORE, AS YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THE USES THAT ARE OF NONRESIDENTIAL SUCH AS CARWASH AND NURSERIES AND MORE ARE HIGHER THAN A 20. LAST TIME YOU COLLAPSED THOSE DOWN TO THE RETAIL SHOPPING CENTER. YOU MAY WANT TO CONSIDER THAT AGAIN IF YOU THINK THE RATES ARE TOO HIGH. WE CAN COLLAPSE ANY RATE THAT IS HIGHER INTO THE CODE. AGAIN, THERE ARE OTHER PROPOSALS SUBSIDIES.

AND THIS WOULD BE WHAT WE RECOMMEND. AGAIN, WHILE WE ARE EMPHASIZING WE DO HAVE SMALLER SUBSIDIES BUT THIS IS WHERE THE NON- RESIDENTIAL WAS THE HIGHEST.

>> THIS IS PURSED THOUSAND SQUARE FEET. >> SO THE SHOPPING CENTER WE

TALKED ABOUT BEFORE, WHAT WAS IT 252,000 SQUARE FEET. >> THAT WAS JUST FOR THE

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SUPERMARKET. >> THE SUPERMARKET, THEY WILL PAY 5.2 TIMES THE 10,000?

>> THAT'S TRUE. THAT'S BRANDON FIELD. LET SAINT LAKE ASBURY.

THEY WOULD PAY 52,000 DIVIDED BY 1,000 TIMES THE MOBILITY FEE. AND I CAN GO OVER THE INDIVIDUAL

SPREADSHEETS FOR EACH DISTRICT IF YOU LIKE. >> LIKE ANTS VERY, WOULD YOU SAY

THAT ONE MORE TIME. >> ASKED IF THERE WAS A 52,000 SQUARE-FOOT PUBLIX, THAT WE WOULD PUT UNDER LAND CODE USED THEY WOULD PAY $52,000 DIVIDED BY 1,000 BECAUSE IT IS PER 1,000 SQUARE FEET. SO THEY WOULD PAY 5.2 TIMES YOUR RATE OF 10,00095.

-- 10,985. I WOULD BE GLAD TO DO THE MATH HERE.

JUST TO SHOW YOU HOW IT WORKS. I'M TERRIBLE AT DOING MATH IN MY HEAD.

I WANT TO MAKE SURE THE NUMBERS ARE RIGHT. I THOUGHT I GOT THAT RIGHT.

LET ME CHANGE THAT AGAIN. 52,000. DIVIDED BY 1,000.

>> THERE YOU GO. THAT IS THE ENGINEER IN YOU COMING OUT.

>> THEY PAY 52,000 TIMES -- >> 571,000 TO 20. THAT IS WHAT THE IMPACT FEE

WOULD BE FOR THAT. >> 571,000? >> YES, SIR THAT IS WITH THE

SUBSIDY. >> SO WITH THE SUBSIDY DOES THAT MEAN WE HAVE TO MAKE UP THE

SUBSIDY OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND? >> YES, MA'AM. THAT IS HOW WE UNDERSTAND IT.

THE COUNTY ATTORNEY MAY WANT TO ADDRESS IT. BUT THAT IS HOW IT COMES OUT OF

THE GENERAL FUND. >> SO WE DON'T HAVE THE MONEY FOR THE SUBSIDY WHAT HAPPENS?

SOMEBODY DOESN'T GET PAID? >> SO IN THAT EXAMPLE, WE HAVE $500,000 ROUGHLY TO BUILD A

SHOPPING CENTER. WE WILL COVER 50% OF THAT. >> WE WOULD COVER, A LITTLE

LESS, 30%. WE WOULD COVER THE -- 5792. >> WHAT THE COUNTY COST WOULD

BE, $301,000. >> SO THAT NEXT TO THE BUILDER, $500,000 PRICE OF $300,000 PER TANK SO THEY WOULD PAY THE $500,000 IN THE COUNTY WOULD THROW IN THE $300,000 AND THAT

WOULD GO INTO THE MOBILITY FUND TO HELP WITH THE ROADS. >> UNLESS THEY HAD CREDITS OF

SOME SORT? POTENTIAL IF THEY HAD CREDITS. >> THIS IS WHAT I HAVE SAID ALL ALONG. WE CAN'T MOVE FORWARD, PUTTING THAT KIND OF BURDEN ON COMMERCIAL DEVELOPERS, IF WE ARE OUT THERE IN THE COMMUNITY TRYING TO ATTRACT PEOPLE AND

BUILD, AND THE COUNTY. >> THE FLIPSIDE OF THAT. >> LET ME AFTER THAT.

WE HAVE A FIVE-ACRE PARCEL IN DOWNTOWN THAT IS BEEN VACANT FOR YEARS.

YOU KNOW WHERE THAT IS. WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY OF PUTTING, A FACILITY THERE, A COMMERCIAL FACILITY. BUT I CAN TELL YOU NOW AND THE BOARD THE PEOPLE WILL MOVE -- WILL NOT MOVE ON THAT KIND OF MONEY. THEY WILL PROBABLY LAUGH.

>> CAN WE AMEND IT AND ADD SUBSTANTIVELY WANTED TO? >> YES, SIR.

>> WHERE WILL THAT MONEY COME FROM? >> I'M ASKING WHAT THE OTHER

OPTIONS ARE. >> GOOD POINT. I WAS LOOKING AT OTHER LOCAL GOVERNMENTS TO COMPARE THE FEES. I HAVE HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY, IT'S IN THE TAMPA BAY AREA BUT THEY

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HAVE A MOBILITY FEE. ONE OF THE OTHER ONES. NOT TOO MANY OF THE STATE RIGHT NOW. LET ME REVIEW THEIR RATES THIS IS ABOUT 10,097.

CLOSE TO WHAT OURS IS. SOME OF THESE AND THE CONVENIENCE MARKET, FOR FAST FOOD, 68,000. FOR QUALITY RESTAURANT 25,000. FOR HIGH TURNOVER AN EXTRA 30,000. SO WITH HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY WE ARE PRETTY CLOSE, EVEN LESS.

ST. JOHNS COUNTY WE ARE ADMITTEDLY LESS WITH RESIDENTIAL BUT THEY ARE MORE WITH RESIDENTIAL WE ARE LESS. BUT THEY ARE LESS WITH COMMERCIAL.

FAIRLY SUBSTANTIALLY. WITH THIS COUNTY, THEY ARE MUCH LESS WITH RESIDENTIAL, BUT PRETTY CLOSE WITH RETAIL. REGIONAL MIXED-USE CENTER, 14,640, DISCOUNT RETAIL 28,858.

RETAIL SUPERSTORE 25,317. RESTAURANT 17,293. SO WE'RE PRETTY CLOSE.

IN FACT A LOT MORE THAN ST. JOHNS. WITH RESIDENTIAL WE ARE MORE THAN ST. JOHNS. -- ST. JOHNS IS MORE THAN WE ARE.

BUT ALACHUA COUNTY IS LESS AND HILLSBORO THE SAME. >> TO ADDRESS THE POINT ABOUT THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, AND THE ORDINANCE, DO YOU WANT TO EXPLAIN THE QTI?

>> I WANT TO EXPLAIN, WHAT SEEMS TO BE THE STICKER POINT OF THIS COMMERCIAL.

BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE OFFICE RATES THEY ARE LITTLE COMPARED TO THE OTHER COUNTIES.

SO IF YOU'RE TALKING GENERAL OFFICE OR RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT CENTER WE ARE PROPOSING 53,000. THAT IS THE DEVELOPMENT THAT GENERATES BOTH JOBS WE WANTED THE COUNTY. THE COUNTY ATTORNEY WAS SAYING WE HAVE THE QTI PROVISION IN THE MOBILITY FEE WHICH IS THE SAME AS IMPACT FEE. AS LONG AS THEY HIRE 150% OF THE SALARY OR SOMETHING, THEN THEY GET A WAIVER OF THEIR MOBILITY FEE.

IF THEY BRING IN THE JOBS WE ARE LOOKING FOR, AND EMPLOYED TEN OR MORE, THEY HAVE TO KEEP A LIEN FOR TEN YEARS, THEN THEY GET TO WAIVER THE IMPACT FEE. THESE ARE THE JOBS WE WANT BUT THE MOBILITY FEE IS EFFECTIVE. WHEN STAFF HAVE CONCERNS AS WELL ABOUT THE COMES THAT'S RIGHT

COMMERCIAL RATES. >> IS THAT IN THIS OR A DIFFERENT DOCUMENT?

>> IT IS IN THE ORDINANCE THAT COURTNEY PREPARED. >> SO IT IS IN THE ORDINANCE

WORK UTI. >> SO THIS REALLY SHOULD NOT IMPACT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.

IT MAY SCARE PEOPLE. >> IT SHOULDN'T AFFECT THE JOBS WE WANT.

I DON'T THINK WE NEED ANY MORE PEOPLE MVING IN. WE HAVE PLENTY OF HITS HERE.

SO, I AM FINE WITH THE RESIDENTIAL PART BEING EQUAL TO ST. JOHNS.

BUT I DON'T WANT TO HAVE HAPPEN, WE ARE PUSHING OUR JOBS TO ST. JOHNS COUNTY.

THOSE RATES, IF IT MAKES A DIFFERENCE TO A BUSINESS, WE WANT TO BE SOMEWHAT ATTRACTIVE OR VERY ATTRACTIVE. THIS SOUNDS LIKE A GREAT WAY TO DO THAT.

ONE 100% IS WRITTEN TO THE COUNTY. AND THAT IS A GOOD THING.

>> LET ME COMPARED THE OFFICE RATES. IT IS 40 TO 75 AND ALACHUA.

AND WE ARE PROPOSING LESS. SO EVEN WITHOUT THE SUBSIDY WE ARE CLOSE TO ALACHUA COUNTY.

WITH ST. JOHNS COUNTY, IT IS 2760. SO A LITTLE MORE.

AND HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY, THAT IS THE MOBILITY FEE AND THE RATE IS 4477.

DOUBLE OUR RATE. SO FOR THE JOBS WE WANT WITH THICK UTI, I THINK WE HAVE A

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COMPETITIVE RATE BUT I THINK WE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE HIGH RATE.

>> I HEARD A BIRDIE. I ALREADY MENTIONED THAT. IF YOU WANT TO COLLAPSE SOME OF THE HIGHER ONES, YOU CAN CERTAINLY DO THAT. THAT IS WHAT YOU DID BEFORE.

IF WE LOOK AT ST. JOHNS COUNTIES, THEY DO HAVE PHARMACY IN FAST FOOD SEPARATE BUT EVERYTHING ELSE IS COLLAPSE INTO GENERAL RETAIL. SO IF YOU WANT TO COLLAPSE SOME OF THEM, EVEN THE NURSERY IS SMALL. THAT'S VERY HIGH.

>> I SAY WITH THE COMMERCIAL STUFF WE NEED TO FOCUS ON GROCERY STORES, BANKS, CHURCHES

ARE EXEMPT I WAS SOON CORRECT. >> IT IS NOT A TAX, IT IS A FEE SO THEY HAVE TO PAY.

>> MAY BE GAS STATIONS. I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE PEOPLE HAVE TO HAVE TO LIVE.

>> WE HAVE COLLAPSED GAS STATIONS. THAT WAS DONE IN 2017.

>> THAT IS ONE REASON YOU DON'T SEE FAST FOOD HERE. HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY HAD 60,000.

I THINK WITH THE STUDY, OURS WAS ONE OF THE NUMBERS THAT MADE EVERYONE GASPED.

NOT ONE THING TO REMEMBER IS THESE USES OCCUR. THE ROADS WILL STILL HAVE TO BE DONE. YOU STILL HAVE TO FIND THE MONEY TO BUILD THE ROADS.

>> I THINK IT IS HELPFUL TO KNOW WHAT HILLSBOROUGH IS, I DON'T THINK IT IS APPROPRIATE TO

COMPARE. EVENT 1.5 MILLION PEOPLE THERE. >> I USE THEM BECAUSE THEY HAVE

THE MOBILITY FEE. >> WHEN YOU TELL SOMEONE, YOU HAVE A FAST FOOD RESTAURANT AS COMPARED TO 220,000 PEOPLE. THEY CAN GET MORE MONEY. SO TO ME, NOT THAT I AM HOLDING A CANDLE FOR THEM, WE JUST TALKED ABOUT WHAT IT WOULD BE FOR A GROCERY STORE.

I THINK WE HAVE TO COME UP WITH AN ANSWER. OTHERWISE IT WILL IMPACT.

BECAUSE NO ONE WANTS TO PUT IN A SUPERMARKET. IT IS WHAT IT IS.

WE OPERATE ON A 2% MARGIN AS IT IS. >> IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING, WE ARE COMMITTED TO PASS A MOBILITY FEE. BUT WHAT WE ARE DISCUSSING, WHAT ARE THE RATES. SPECIFICALLY, ON COMMERCIAL. I DON'T THINK ANYONE WILL OBJECT. IT'S JUST IN TERMS OF COMMERCIAL.

AND WHAT CATEGORIES WE NEED TO HELP. SO, I MEAN, WE PUT FLAT NUMBERS IN ON THE GENERAL OFFICE BUILDINGS. I GUESS IT WOULD BE A QUESTION OF PICKING OUT THICK CATEGORIES THAT NEED TO HAVE A NUMBER SO WE CAN MOVE FORWARD AND APPROVE

THOSE WITHOUT DISCOURAGING. >> WITH THE LESSER NUMBER YOU STILL HAVE TO.

>> WHAT WE ARE LOOKING AT IS SUBSIDIZING THE HIGH NUMBER OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND.

>> THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE ARE LOOKING FOR. THAT IS ALL THAT IS LEFT.

SO, WHAT WAS OUR EXPOSURE WHEN WE DID THAT BEFORE. NO ONE DID THAT MUCH WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IS, YOU WILL BE OKAY UNTIL YOU GET THE BIG ONE COME IN.

BY THE SAME TOKEN, I WAS LOOKING AT THE FACTS AND 550,000 PER YEAR.

SO YOU WILL MAKE UP THE SUBSIDY IN A FEW YEARS ANYWAY WITH THE INCREASE IN TAXES.

>> WHAT I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM. DO WE HAVE OF VALVE HERE, IF THE SUBSIDIES GO OUT OF CONTROL AT SOME POINT. IF WE CAN'T PAY IT.

WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT HERE? $10 MILLION OR $5 MILLION? >> ANNUALLY?

I CAN TELL YOU. I DID SOME MATH TODAY. >> YOU MAY NEED TO CHECK MY MATH. BUT I DID USE MY CALCULATOR. BASED ON THE EVALUATION

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APPRAISAL. I FORGOT AT 0. BASED ON THIS WE NEED 844 ACRES OF COMMERCIAL IF YOU EQUATE THAT TO 100,000 SQUARE FEET PER ACRE, THEY GET YOU A .4 MILLION OF COMMERCIAL THAT WILL DEVELOP OVER THE MOBILITY FEE. SO I WILL HAVE TO USE MY CALCULATOR AGAIN. THESE NUMBERS ARE GETTING TOO BIG FOR ME.

BUT BASED ON THAT. IF YOU HAVE 844 AND TIMES THAT BY 100,000.

84 MILLION. THAT IS HOW MUCH SQUARE FOOTAGE, DIVIDE THAT BY 25.

THAT IS 3 MILLION. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE NUMBERS I RAN, AVERAGING $2 MILLION PER

YEAR. THAT IS AN SUBSIDIES. >> AND WE ARE LOOKING AT, THE OTHER ISSUE WAS, WE ARE NOT CHANGING THE AMOUNT OF MONEY FLOWING BETWEEN THE IMPACT FEE THAT WE HAVE IN PLACE TODAY AND THIS MOBILITY FEE. YOU CAN SAY IT WILL BE THE SAME.

>> I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT. WE HAVE IT IN PLACE NOW REALLY. >> THE BOARD HAS MADE THAT DETERMINATION. SO IF WE ARE SPENDING $2 MILLION PER YEAR SUBSIDY HOW MUCH ARE WE

ADDING IN TERMS OF PROPERTY TAX. >> IT REALLY DEPENDS. IF YOU GET THE ST. JOHNS TOWN CENTER AT THE SUBSIDY WILL BE TOO LOW. IF YOU GET A MOM-AND-POP, HE WILL PAY THE SUBSIDY INTO-3 YEARS. -- HE WILL PAY IT IN TWO AFTER

THREE YEARS WITH THE SUBSIDY TAXES. >> YOU HAVE TO MAKE AN

INVESTMENT TO HAVE MONEY. >> IT'S REALLY UP TO THE COUNTY MANAGER.

IF IT IS THREE YEARS YOU HAVE TO FIND THE MONEY. IF WE DON'T LIKE WHAT IS HAPPENING WITH THE SUBSIDIES WHAT IS OUR REMEDY? WE CAN ALWAYS AMEND THE ORDINANCE. ANY TIME. WE REQUIRE IN THE ORDINANCE AND COURTNEY TALKS ABOUT THAT. IN FIVE YEARS. IF WE COME IN AND WE SAY IT'S NOT WORKING WE CAN AMEND IT. WE JUST HAVE TO HAVE THE STUDY TO AMEND THE RATES.

BUT THIS WILL BE GOOD FOR FIVE YEARS. WE CAN AMEND ON THINGS WE SEE

ARE NOT WORKING. >> I ALWAYS LIKED WHAT WE HAVE. AS LONG AS WE HAVE AN OUT.

>> I DID THAT WITH THE IMPACT FEE. >> IF I COULD COMPARE, THAT'S A GOOD POINT. YOUR SUBSIDIZING RIGHT NOW. BEFORE THE 52,000 SQUARE-FOOT PUBLIX THE IMPACT FEE WOULD BE 200,000. COMPARED TO 520,000.

>> BUT IF WE ARE TAKING THE SAME AMOUNT OF MONEY, WHERE WILL THE DIFFERENCE POP-UP CLICKS.

>> THAT WILL BE MORE. >> THIS IS TWICE AS MUCH AS THE IMPACT FEE.

BUT ONLY ALIKE HAS VARY. IN OTHER AREAS IT WILL BE DIFFERENT.

>> MUCH CHEAPER. BUT I LIKE IT. >> IT VARIES BY DISTRICT.

MAYBE I CAN GO FOR A RUN WITHOUT BIDDING -- WITHOUT GETTING YELLED AT.

DO YOU WANT TO MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE THIS UNTIL DECEMBER. >> I THINK THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE. THERE ARE SOME FIGURES I HAVE NOT SEEN OR HEARD PRIOR TO THIS.

IT IS CAUSING ME GREAT CONSTERNATION. THESE NUMBERS SEEM TO BE, A BUSINESS KILLER TO SOME DEGREE. I'M NOT ALTERING YOUR WORK, I'M JUST SAYING THIS IS A LOT OF

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MONEY. BUT YES, I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE THIS UNTIL THE DECEMBER

MEETING. >> OKAY. SO ARE WE READY FOR THE PUBLIC MEETING. QUICKLY BEFORE THE MEETING. YOU HEARD ABOUT THE STUDY AND THE NUMBERS. LET'S GO OVER SOME ITEMS. THIS IS ATTACHED AND THE BASIS FOR THE FEED. IN CONNECTION, I KNOW YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH THE IMPACT ORDINANCE AND THE MOBILITY FEE MIRRORS THAT EXCEPT IN A FEW DIFFERENT AREAS.

ONE OF THE PRIMARY AREAS IS IN CONNECTION WITH THE GILLETTE -- DEVELOPER COMBINATION WE ARE CHANGING HOW YOU ESTIMATE OR PRICE OUT THE COST OF THE DONATION.

IN THE CURRENT FEE IT PROVIDES A LONG CALCULATION ABOUT YOU GET IT BASED ON ESTIMATES AND YOU RELY ON DIFFERENT FEES. SO BECAUSE THIS IS A MOBILITY FEE BASED ON A CERTAIN PROJECT.

YOU HAVE SEEN THE ACTUAL PROJECTS HAVE AMOUNTS ATTACHED. SO THE WAY YOU WILL MOVE FORWARD IS, THE CREDIT IS WHAT HAS BEEN ASSIGNED TO THE PROJECT. THAT IS ONE CHANGE.

A SECOND CHANGE, THAT MANY OF YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH, THERE WAS A CHANGE IN THE LAW WITH TRANSFER ABILITIES. THIS DOES NOT PROVIDE FOR TRANSFER FORMATION BECAUSE IT WAS A REQUIRED. SO THE SO AGREEMENTS UNDER THE MOBILITY FEE WILL HAVE THAT

OPTION. >> WHAT DOES THAT MEAN WHAT JUST TRANSFER FORMATION LOOK LIKE?

>> UNDER THE NEW PROVISION IN STATE LAW, IT ALLOWS YOU TO TRANSFER IT WITHIN YOUR DISTRICT. IF YOU HAVE DISTRICTS PIXEL IF A DEVELOPER COMES IN, AND YOU GIVE HIM CREDIT FOR THEIR DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE THEY ARE DOING AN IMPROVEMENT LIKE BUILDING OUR PROJECT AND THEY HAVE ACCESS OVER WHAT IS NEEDED. THAT EXCESS THEY COULD SELL OR

TRANSFER TO ANOTHER DEVELOPER WITHIN THE DISTRICT. >> HOW DO WE DETERMINE WHAT IS

ORIGINALLY NEEDED. >> IF A GUY BUILDS INFERRED CHEAPER DOES HE GET TO TRANSFER

SOMEWHERE ELSE? >> YOU CAN CALCULATE HOW MANY HOMES OR CREDITS THEY NEED BASED ON YOUR SCHEDULE IN ORDER TO BUILD IT. THEN YOU TAKE THE COST OF THE ROAD, AND WHATEVER THE DIFFERENCE THAT IS NEEDED VERSUS HOW MUCH HE IS PAYING.

HE WILL BE ABLE TO TRANSFER. I AM STILL NOT CLEAR. >> A PERFECT EXAMPLE, THEY'RE COMING IN TO BUILD A COMMUNITY AND THEY WILL HAVE 700 HOMES. SO THEY NEED 700 TIMES WHATEVER

THE RATE. >> THEY DO THE SQUARE-FOOT TO COME UP WITH A NUMBER.

>> THEN THEY WILL BUILD ONE OF THE PROJECTS AND STATE THAT PROJECT IS $15 MILLION.

SAY THEY NEEDED 10 MILLION FOR THEIR IMPACT FEE. AND 15 MILLION THEY GET CREDIT FOR AND THEY HAVE IN EXCESS OF FIVE OF THEM. SO MONEY THEY SPEND OVER AND ABOVE WHAT WE WOULD HAVE NORMALLY TAKEN IN, FROM THE MOBILITY FEE.

>> AND THEN THERE'S ANOTHER DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THE DISTRICT AND MAYBE THEY WON'T BUILD AN IMPROVEMENT BUT THEY NEED IMPACT FEE CREDITS. WHETHER THEY PAY A CERTAIN AMOUNT OR THEY STRIKE A DEAL. HOWEVER THEY STRUCTURE IT WILL BRING IT OVER.

>> THE 50 MILLION THEY ARE GETTING CREDIT FOR HAS BEEN AUDITED BY SOMEONE HERE.

IT MAY COST THEM BUT THEY ONLY GET CREDIT FOR 15. OR IF THEY ARE SOPHISTICATED IN BUILDING 414, THEY STILL GET CREDIT. IT IS WHAT MAKES UP THE MOBILITY

FEE. >> I DON'T LIKE THAT BUT I GUESS WE CAN SEE WHAT WE CAN DO.

>> SO, THE TRANSFE IS ADDRESSED IN THE AGREEMENT. WHAT I HAVE PRESENTED TO YOU ARE

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A FEW REVISIONS. I KNOW MS. FRAZIER CAN EXPLAIN ONE OF THEM BECAUSE IT IS ON TH.

ONE IS A SPECIFIC REVISION THAT SHE HAS REQUESTED. AND SHE WANTED IT TIED TO THE RATE SCHEDULE AS OPPOSED TO THE ITE. I DID NOT HAVE A PROBLEM WITH

THAT. SO THAT IS THE FIRST ONE. >> WHAT IS AN ITE?

>> INCIDENT OF TRANSPORTATION ENGINEERS. >> A STUDY.

>> IT IS THAT NATIONWIDE ACCEPTED STUDY FOR ANY TRAFFIC STUDY FOR THE RATES THAT WE USE.

>> THE NEXT PROVISION THAT WE HAVE IS IN CONNECTION WITH 3.05 AND WE WERE TALKING ABOUT TRANSFERABILITY AND I MENTIONED UNDER THE CURRENT ORDINANCE YOU HAVE AGREEMENTS THAT DO NOT ALLOW FOR TRANSFER. SO WE HAVE REWORKED THE SECTION THAT DEALS WITH IMPACT FEE AGREEMENTS THAT WERE ENTERED INTO. THIS WAS PRIOR TO JULY 1.

JUST TO PROVIDE THAT THOSE AGREEMENTS WILL BE CONSTRUED AS THEY ARE.

WHICH MEANS NO TRANSFERABILITY. WE ALSO HAVE A CATCH. THERE IS A CURRENT ISSUE AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THE CHANGE IN THE LAW IS PERSPECTIVE ONLY. OBVIOUSLY WE WILL ABIDE BY WHATEVER DECISION IS ON THAT. AT THIS POINT WE ARE TREATING IT AS PERSPECTIVE ONLY.

AND LASTLY, THE ONLY OTHER BIG REVISION, YOU WILL SEE HOW SECTION K UNDER 3.05 HAS BEEN ELIMINATED. UNDER THE IMPACT FEE ORDINANCE, THAT WAS ADDED FOR A PARTICULAR PROPERTY OWNER WHO OWNED MORE THAN 25,000 ACRES BUT WAS NOT A DEVELOPER BUT WANTED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH AN IMPACT FEE AGREEMENT. SO AT THE TIME YOU ADDED THAT PROVISION TO YOUR ORDINANCE, BUT AFTER STUDYING IT WE REALIZE THERE HAS BEEN SOME PROPERTY TRANSA SOMETHING NEEDED IN CONNECTION WITH THE MOBILITY FEE.

SO WE ARE ELIMINATING IT. AND THE LANDOWNER JUST NOT HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT.

>> COORDINATE THIS IS NITPICKING BUT IF WE ELIMINATE K, AND YOU RENUMBER THE NEXT M TO L SHOULD

IT BE K. >> DO YOU SEE THE DOTS THERE, THERE'S ANOTHER PROVISION THERE.

>> OKAY. I JUST DIDN'T WANT TO BOTHER YOU WITH TOO MUCH.

>> NO, DON'T WORRY. >> WAS THAT EVERYTHING YOU HAVE? >> YES.

>> DOES ANYONE HAVE A QUESTION OR CAN WE GO TO PUBLIC HEARING? >> DID WE INCLUDE ESTIMATION

CLAUSES LIKE WE TALKED ABOUT? >> IT WAS IN THE IMPACT FEE ORDINANCE.

WE WILL NOW OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. DOES ANYONE WANT TO SPEAK TO

THIS. MR. OTTO. >> YES, JAMES OTTO.

ABOUT 15 YEARS AGO I CAME IN HERE AND SAID THE GROWTH WILL COME.

YOU DON'T NEED TO GIVE IT AWAY AND MAKE THE PEOPLE LIVE YOUR PAY FOR EVERYTHING.

THE BIKE PATH I AGREE WITH THAT. WE SHOULDN'T BE SUPPORTING THE FOOTBALL OBVIOUSLY.

THE CREDITS THAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT, I ASKED THE CITIZENS TO GO BACK OVER THE LAST YEAR END LOOK AT THE MEETINGS. THERE IS SOMETHING ABOUT SMALL PERCENTAGE THAT YOU CAN GO OVER FOR THE HIGHWAYS BUT WE DO HAVE THINGS ON 21 THAT NEED TO BE LOOKED AT WITH OUR TAXES.

SO, WE LOOK AT THE RESIDENTIAL AND IT NEEDED TO BE AT $10,000. WHEN YOU GUYS DID A STUDY, YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO COME IN AT A MINIMUM OF $6,700 AND YOU PASSED IT AT $6,300.

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SO LIKE THE OTHER AREAS, THEY ARE HIGHER ON THE IMPACT FEES FOR THE COMMERCIAL.

YOU SHOULD BE RIGHT THERE MATCHING THEM. THE GROWTH WILL COME HERE AND DON'T PUT THESE IN THE REAR. WE HAD MEETINGS ABOUT THAT. HOW WILL YOU COLLECT IT IN THE REAR LATER DOWN WHEN THERE MAY BE MORE ISSUES. WE NEED THE ROADMAP BENDS THE LIST YOU HAD THE ROADS EVALUATED. THEN YOU SKIPPED AROUND ON THE LIST. WE NEED A REAL PLAN FOR THIS COUNTY.

I KNOW YOU ASKED CHARISSE TO DO IT BUT SHE DIDN'T COME OUT TO MY PROPERTY WHEN SHE WAS A COMMISSIONER. WE NEED A REAL PLAN OF WHAT THE COUNTY WILL DO IN THE FUTURE SO THE KIDS ARE NOT BEING KILLED ON THE ROAD LIKE CROSSING THE STREET TO POPEYES OR THE RACETRACK. WE NEED THE SAFETY OF OUR ROADS. NOT A 6 MILLION-DOLLAR PARK THAT WE DON'T HAVE MONEY FOR. THAT IS NOT WHAT WE NEED. THE FUEL TAXES UNFAIR.

I SPOKE ABOUT THAT. @YOE RICH PEOPLE BUT THE WORKING PEOPLE HAVE TO GET 10 MILES TO THE GALLON.

YOU GUYS ARE TALKING ABOUT A 20 YEAR AGREEMENT ON THE AGENDA. WE WERE GOING TO GET AWAY FROM THE AGREEMENT. NOT MAKE HUGE AGREEMENTS. THIS IS THE LOWEST IMPACT FEE YOU HAVE SET UP. BUT GUESS WHAT, PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO GET OUT.

THEY DON'T WANT TO LOOK AT THE GROWTH BEING DONE. THIS IS NOT THE VILLAGES IN FLORIDA. YOU DON'T HAVE THE PLANNING TO DO WHAT YOU ARE DOING.

YOU ARE NOT AHEAD OF THE GAME. YOU ARE JUST NOT AHEAD OF THE GAME.

I AM TOTALLY AGAINST WHAT HE SAID. I'M TOTALLY AGAINST HAVING THE LOWEST IMPACT FEE. THE CITIZENS DON'T WANT ALL OF THAT.

WHY ISN'T OUR IMPACT FEE THE SAME AS LIKE AS VERY. >> TIMES UP.

>> THAT'S WHAT HIS CITIZENS WANT. >> DOES ANYONE ELSE WISH TO

SPEAK? >> DR. KRISTIN BYRD. SO, I'M THINKING ABOUT WHAT COMMISSIONER HENRY SAID AND LINK AS VERY MASTER-PLANNED WAS APPROVED YEARS AGO, THE DEVELOPMENTS WERE APPROVED YEARS AGO. SO WE KNOW THEY ARE COMING.

HOWEVER, AND THIS HAPPENED IN DIFFERENT AREAS. WE NEED, IF WE ARE GOING TO HAVE HUGE ROADS IN THE DISTRICT, WE NEED THE BUSINESSES TO COME IN. SO WHAT IS THE PROCEDURE FOR LOWING THE BUSINESSES MOBILITY FEE. THERE'S MORE THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE FOR IT TO HAPPEN? PERSONALLY, I KNOW I WON'T BE A FAN HERE, BUT I WOULD RATHER INCREASE MOBILITY FEE FOR RESIDENTIAL, AND THAT THE BUSINESSES COME IN.

YES, THERE IS AN INCREASE MOBILITY FEE, BUT IT'S NOT REALLY THAT BIG.

WE NEED THE BUSINESSES BRICK THAT IS WHERE IT NEEDS TO BE. WHAT ARE THE PROCEDURES, I WOULD

LIKE TO KNOW? DOES ANYONE ELSE WANT TO SPEAK? >> OKAY.

WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND BRING IT BACK TO THE BOARD. >> I THINK THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT KINDS OF BUSINESSES WHERE TALKING ABOUT WHICH IS COMMERCIAL WHICH IS THE GROCERY STORES AND GAS STATIONS AND THEN THERE ARE BUSINESSES LIKE AT&T OR NASA OR SOMEONE LIKE THAT COMING INTO CLAY COUNTY TO SET SOMETHING UP. THE LAST THING I TALKED ABOUT WAS THE HIGH-PAYING JOBS. THOSE AS I SAID, BECAUSE THEY ARE COMMERCIAL ZONES THEY WILL BE IN FOR NO IMPACT FEE AT ALL. IF THEY BRING A BASKET OF GOOD JOBS FOR TEN YEARS.

THEIR COST IS 0. THROUGH OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVE PROGRAM.

THE OTHER BUSINESSES, THE ONES THAT HAVE TO SERVE THE AREA, THEY WILL PAY THE FULL RATE, UNLESS WE MAKE SOMETHING ELSE UP. GRANTED THE GROCERY STORE WE

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TALKED ABOUT IS A BIG GROCERY STORE. IT WILL BE BUILT AND WITH THE NUMBERS WE USE, IF WE PUT THE SAME STORE, IN RAWLINS DISTRICT, WE ARE TALKING PEANUTS.

>> THIS IS THE ORANGE PARK DISTRICT. IT IS $137,000 FOR THAT SAME

PUBLIC SPIRIT. >> DOING THAT WE INCENTIVE WISE BUILD THINGS IN DIFFERENT PLACES AND THAT IS WHAT IS GOING ON. IF WE CHOOSE TO GIVE THEM THE DISCOUNT, WHATEVER IT IS AND IT IS SET AT 50%, WE CAN DO THAT BUT THEN WE HAVE TO TAKE IT OUT OF THE BANK THE COUNTY USES TO BUILD ROADS AND OTHER STUFF. WE WILL PAY THAT, IF HE MAKES A PLEA, THAT WE NEED TO DO THAT.

>> WE ARE NOT TRYING TO DRIVE JOBS OUT. THEY GET IN FOR FREE.

AND THE ONES WHO WILL PAY THE FULL RATE ARE THE ONES WE WANT TO COME IN.

THAT MEANS WE GIVE THEM MONEY TO COME RELOCATE HERE. THEY WILL FOLLOW THE POPULATION WHICH WILL COME INTO CLAY COUNTY ANYWAY. THEY CAN'T SELL STORE -- BACK STOP IF THERE'S NO PEOPLE HERE. THAT IS WHAT WE HAVE TO OFFER. THAT IS THE WAY I LOOK AT IT.

>> I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS. SO, LET'S SAY FOR INSTANCE YOU HAVE NURSERY GARDEN CENTER AND THEIR NET MOBILITY FEE IS $33,000 PLUS AND WE TAKE 14.6 OFTEN IS STILL 20,000.

HOW DOES THAT WORK FOR A WALMART OR A HOME DEPOT. IS IT FOR THE SQUARE FEET THAT THE NURSERY TAKES UP OR DO THEY GET A DIFFERENT ONE. THE WALMART, WHICH PAID THE LAND USE. THAT'S FOR A FREESTANDING NURSERY.

>> THERE WOULD NOT BE A DIFFERENT RATE. >> NO.

>> IN GENERAL I UNDERSTAND THE CONCEPT. BUT I AM BAFFLED AT THE HIGH COST FOR A NURSERY, EXCEPT PETS NURSERY DURING COVID. BUT OTHER THAN THAT.

>> THAT IS ONE YOU COULD COLLAPSE AND IT WOULD HAVE A LOWER RATE.

BUT THIS IS FOR 1,000 SQUARE FEET OF BUILDING AREA. SO THE RATE MAY LOOK HIGH BUT IT DOESN'T GENERATE BUT IF YOU WANT TO COLLAPSE THAT IN THE YET LAND USE CODE THAT IS A POSSIBILITY.

>> IF YOU THINK ABOUT NURSERY THAT DID WELL DURING COVID THE BUILDIN SIZE.

>> LET'S LOOK AT PHARMACIES AND DRUG STORES. WE SUBSIDIZED 12 AND IT WAS STILL 16. THAT WILL INCLUDE PUBLIX AND WALMART.

>> I'M REALLY NOT TRYING TO ACT STUPID BUT, WHEN I GO TO CVS OR WALGREENS THERE'S NEVER A LINE

TO GET INTO THE STORE. >> THAT WOULD BE A FREESTANDING CV ACCENT WALGREENS.

>> IT IS BASED ON THE GENERATION RATE AND THE ENGINEERS HAVE TAKING TAKEN THIS AND THAT IS

THE RATE THEY CAME UP WITH. >> I KNOW THEY ARE SMARTER THAN ME.

>> WE DON'T KNOW. >> I THINK THERE IS A CASE TO BE MADE.

WHAT WOULD YOU DISCRIMINATE AGAINST A PHARMACY BEING IN A BIG LOT AND ONE THAT IS

FREESTANDING THAT HAS RETAIL PICKED. >> YOU SEE, THE PHARMACY, THE RATE BEFORE WAS 4126. SO THE BOARD SAID WE ARE NOT COLLAPSING SO THAT'S WHY IT WENT

ABOVE. >> A LOT OF THEM HAVE A DRIVE THROUGH.

LET ME ASK ONE MORE QUESTION. SO IN THE CASE OF MR. O'CONNELL'S --

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MR. O'CONNOR'S MOVIE THEATER. THAT BUILDING, WE ARE ENCOURAGING BACKFIELD HOW MUCH

COULD YOU MOVE IN THERE WITH THE IMPACT FEE? >> HE HAS AN AGREEMENT SO HE WOULD PAY NOTHING. THEY ALREADY HAVE A CREDIT. AND FOR OTHER CASES, WHERE WE ARE TRYING TO DO BACKFIELD. WHERE YOU HAVE, A MALL, PEOPLE WANT TO GO IN THERE, THE

BUILDINGS ALREADY EXIST. WE WILL PAY ANYTHING. >> THAT IS THE INCENTIVE.

THAT IS THE INTENT OF THE WHOLE THING. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE COMMERCIAL FILL RATE IS. I HAVE TO GUESS 70% OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT OR LESS.

THIS WON'T IMPACT A LOT OF PEOPLE RIGHT-OF-WAY. >> IT WILL BACKFILL THE PLACES WERE TRYING TO GET REDEVELOPED. THE MOBILITY FEE IS TRYING TO PROMOTE THIS.

WHEN THEY HAVE TO BUILD A NEW FACILITY, THAT'S WHERE IT GETS EXPENSIVE.

>> THAT'S RIGHT. >> IF YOU'RE GOING TO SPEAK YOU DO HAVE TO COME TO THE

MICROPHONE. >> YOU ARE ASKING FOR LAKE AS VARIED TO BE PENALIZED BECAUSE OF THE ROAD, IS THAT WHAT WE ARE SEEING BECAUSE IF I WAS A BUSINESS I WOULD SAY NO I WOULD GO TO SOMEONE ELSE'S AREA, I WOULD NOT COME HERE. SO ARE YOU ASKING, WHAT DO YOU WANT. BECAUSE TRACK 19 SAID HE DOESN'T WANT TO BUT YOU'RE PUTTING ON A BIG IMPACT FEE BUT THEN YOU SAY IF THEY STAY THERE TEN YEARS, THEY HAVE A CREDIT.

SO HOW DO YOU WAY THAT BACK AND FORTH? HAVE A SEAT AND WE WILL TALK ABOUT IT. I THINK THE CONCERN IS WE MAY NOT BE CLEAR ON THE CREDITS COMING BACK. HE COMPARED TWO THINGS. LET'S SAY, AT THE INTERCHANGE, THERE WAS A LARGE PROJECT THAT CAME IN AND THEY OFFERED THIS. AND EVEN IF IT IS IN LAKE ASBURY, WHAT DOES IT STAND FOR? IT IS CERTAINLY ABOVE THE MEDIAN INCOME.

>> SO, IT IS WHAT CAME FIRST THE CHICKEN OR THE EGG. IF YOU LOOK AT, THE TOWN OF ORANGE PARK THERE WERE NO IMPACT FEES. IT BUILT OUT.

AND THE GOVERNMENT HAD TO PAY FOR THE ROADS. IT WAS A COMPACT AREA.

SMALL LITTLE TOWNS CAN GET FEDERAL MONEY. WHEN YOU LOOK AT, THE PASTOR WHICH HAS NO INFRASTRUCTURE, AND THE DEVELOPERS LOOK INTO THE GOVERNMENT I HAVE TO BUILD A HOUSE AND YOU NEED TO BUILD A ROAD TO GET IT AROUND. THAT IS WHAT WE WILL COVER.

AND I'M PROBABLY SAYING TOO MUCH BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE MOBILITY FEE IS SUPPOSED TO SEND PEOPLE TO PLACES WHERE WE HAVE ALREADY INVESTED IN THE INFRASTRUCTURE.

IT IS THEY ARE. THEY ARE JUST ADDING ON. THE PLACES LIKE THE MIDDLE OF THE COUNTY LIKE THE FARMLAND, THERE'S NO INFRASTRUCTURE THERE. IT NEVER HAS BEEN.

THAT'S BECAUSE IT WAS NOT USED FOR THAT. IT WAS USED FOR COWS AND CROPS.

NOW WE ARE TRYING TO SAY, WE WILL REQUIRE THIS AREA TO PAY ITS WAY FOR PUTTING IN INFRASTRUCTURE. INSTEAD OF HAVING SOMEONE PAY THE SAME THING AND CHARGE

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EVERYONE THE SAME WHEN THE MONEY IS GOING INTO ONE DISTRICT, THAT IS NOT FAIR.

WE ARE TRYING TO LET THAT AREA PAY ITS OWN WAY. THAT IS THE ONLY WAY I CAN

DESCRIBE IT. >> THAT WAS SCARY. SO LET ME MAKE A SUGGESTION.

>> ONE SECOND PERIOD I THINK WE HAVE TO REMEMBER, IF YOU LOOK A& THE BIG PITCHER, YOU SAID IT CORRECTLY. THE MOBILITY FEE. IF YOU LOOK AT THE MAP AND THERE , THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT IT IS MEANT TO DO. YES RETAIL IS A STINGER.

REALLY THE RETAIL SHOPPING PIECE AND IT IS IF YOU LOOK AT THE NUMBERS AND OTHER DISTRICTS, WHERE THE POPULATION IS NOT GROWING OR GROWING SLOWLY, IT IS A LOWER COST WHICH IS HOW IT IS DESIGNED TO BE. WHERE THE GROWTH IS COMING, ESPECIALLY IN RETAIL IS WHERE THEY WILL PAY MORE. WHERE THE BETTER JOBS ARE, IF YOU LOOK AT THE SPREADSHEET IN THOSE AREAS, IT IS CLOSE OR LESS. SO JUST KEEP THAT IN MIND.

I UNDERSTAND THE NUMBERS DO LOOK VERY LARGE. BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THEM AND OTHER DISTRICTS IT'S NOT THAT MUCH. BUT WHEN YOU HAVE 10,000 MORE HOMES COME IN LIKE ASBURY, WHEN THE PEOPLE COME, SO WILL THE RETAIL SHOPPING CENTERS.

>> IF WE TAKE THE LIST, STARTING AT THE RETIREMENT COMMUNITY ANKLE DOWN THE PAGE, LET'S THINK ABOUT WHAT WE MAY WANT TO COLLAPSE INTO THE RETAIL SHOPPING CENTER CATEGORY.

OBVIOUSLY IN MY OPINION, DRUGSTORES NEED TO GO THERE. THAT TAKES THEM FROM $16,000

MOBILITY FEE TO A $10,000 MOBILITY FEE. >> DOES THAT INCLUDE MARIJUANA

CENTERS CLICKS IF SOMEONE LIKES DRUGS CLICKS. >> I GUESS SO.

>> I THINK. >> IF YOU WANTED TO DO IT BY INTEREST RATE YOU COULD SAY

LET'S PUT THIS BY THE HOSPITAL AND THERE'S ONLY 5,000. >> BUT BECAUSE IT'S NOT ONLY SIX PEOPLE GOING IN THERE BECAUSE THEY DON'T JUST SELL MEDICATION AT CVS AND WALGREENS.

>> IN TERMS OF THE RETAIL, THIS WILL STILL BE INEXPENSIVE BECAUSE IT IS LOWER COST.

HOW ARE YOU GUYS FIGURING OUT THE COLLAPSING. >> AS WE COLLAPSE SOFTLY COLLECT

LESS MONEY. >> THE DRUGSTORES GET A BREAK AND WE HAVE TO RAISE SOMEWHERE

ELSE. >> YOU DON'T HAVE TO NECESSARILY DO THAT.

YOU CAN COLLAPSE THEM BUT BUT YOU WILL COLLECT LESS REVENUE. FOR SOME OTHER SOURCE.

THE IDEA IS TO COVER THE PRICE OF THE DEVELOPMENT. >> I DO THINK, A FEW THINGS.

SO PUBLIX COMES IN. EVEN THOUGH WE COLLAPSE IT SO IT'S CHEAPER SO THEY PAY 200,000 SET A 500,000. THEY WILL PAY IN PROPERTY TAXES OVER A COUPLE OF YEARS, THEY WILL PAY IT BACK AND IT WON'T GO AWAY OVERNIGHT. THEN THAT REVENUE WILL BE THERE

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OVER THE LONG RUN. >> I THINK THE IDEA, WITH THE $300,000 WE TOOK OFF OF THE TABLE, IT GOES TO BUILD THE ROAD. WE HAVE TO PUT THAT OUT TODAY TO GET IT IN BUSINESS. THEN WE NEED TO RAISE THE PRICE. I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT

IF THAT IS WHAT YOU WANT TO DO. >> LET'S GET TO SOME MOTIONS. DO YOU WANT TO MAKE A MOTION

THAT WE DON'T COLLAPSE ANYTHING LIKE. >> I WANT TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE COME OUT REVENUE NEUTRAL. COLLAPSE WHAT YOU WANT BUT THE MONEY HAS TO COME FROM

SOMEWHERE. >> BY REVENUE NEUTRAL DO YOU MEAN FEES CURRENTLY PROJECTED TO

BRING IN? >> THE $250 MILLION. >> THE WHAT THEY ARE CURRENTLY

PROJECTED TO BEGIN. >> 266. >> LET ME ASK THIS.

CAN WE DO THAT IN A SPECIFIC DISTRICT OR DOES IT HAVE TO BE& THROUGHOUT ALL OF THE DISTRICTS?

>> COLLAPSING? SANCHEZ COLLAPSING. >> IT WON'T BE FAIR.

DISTRICT REVENUE BASED ON THE PROJECT SPIRIT. >> IF YOU REALLY LOOK AT THIS, IN TERMS OF THE RETAIL SHOPPING CENTER, YOU COLLAPSE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT ARE CONSIDERED COMMERCIAL APPLICATIONS THERE' ONLY A FEW. I THINK YOU WOULD HAVE TO BE CONSISTENT WITH EVERY DISTRICT. IF YOU COLLAPSE THEM. FOR EXAMPLE, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE PHARMACY OR DRUGSTORE, SO WE CAN DROP THE 210. IF THE ELECTRONICS SUPERSTORE OR THE DISCOUNT CLUB IS AT 13 AND WE DROP IT TO TEN. THERE'S ONLY A FEW ITEMS THAT ARE CONSIDERED TO BE BIG BOX RETAIL. THERE'S NOT A LOT IN TERMS OF THE ACTUAL COLLAPSING. I JUST THINK, PUBLIX, THEY WILL PUT A SUPERMARKET IN THEY WILL

PUT IT WHERE THE MOST GROWTH IS NOT BECAUSE IT'S CHEAPER. >> THIS IS WHAT THEY DO ALL OF THE TIME. WHEN YOU SEE A PUBLIX YOU KNOW IN FIVE YEARS THERE WILL BE ENOUGH BUSINESS TO SUPPORT IT. THEY HAVE A SHARON'S DOMINANCE. SO I GUESS IT IS A QUESTION AS TO IF THEY WOULD BE WILLING TO PAY THE HIGHER RATE JUST TO GET THE STORE IN THERE.

I DON'T HAVE THE ANSWER TO THAT. THEY WILL FOLLOW THE POPULATION UNLESS IT'S TOO EXPENSIVE.

WHAT WE DO IS WE RAISE THE RATE& OF THE POPULATION AND THEY DO HAVE A GROCERY STORE CURRENTLY.

>> THIS IS THE WINN-DIXIE PROTECTION ACT. >> I WAS GOING TO SAY I'M SURPRISED THE GENERAL MANAGER FOR WINN-DIXIE IS NOT ON THE PHONE.

>> OKAY THE CHAIR IS WAITING FOR A MOTION. DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY SUGGESTIONS. LET ME MAKE A COMMENT. OBVIOUSLY IT IS EXTREMELY COMPLICATED. THE DOLLAR AMOUNTS LISTED ADDRESS THAT GROWTH AND THE INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDED. WHEN I LOOKED AT IT, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS ACROSS-THE-BOARD ACROSS THE BOARD. I WENT TO THE SECOND-HIGHEST DISTRICT AND WHEN YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THE DISTRICT, I WENT AND SAID WHAT IS RETAIL SHOPPING IN THAT AREA.

SO IT IS $7,795. SO WHEN YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THIS. I THINK THE QUESTION TO POSE, INSTEAD OF COLLAPSING, MAY BE WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT AS A BOARD WHAT YOU NEED TO ENTICE TOO INSIDE, I THINK THE NUMBER ONE THING I KEEP HEARING IS RETAIL SHOPPING CENTER.

THESE OTHER ITEMS, ALL MANY BRIGHT DATES, HOW MANY PHARMACIES AND CVS'S DO YOU NEED ON A CORNER. THAT WOULD BE ONE QUESTION A RESIDENT WOULD ASK.

IN ALL MANY NURSERIES ARE GOING TO BE OUT THERE. WITHIN THAT AREA AND LOCATION PICS I WOULD POSE THAT CAN YOU DISCOUNT ONE ITEM. THIS ITEM AND EQUAL IT TO THE

SECOND-HIGHEST GROUP. IS THAT ALLOW? >> ONLY THROUGH A SUBSIDY.

>> YOU CAN TARGET ONE SPECIFIC DISTRICT IN ONE AREA, AND SAY THAT WOULD BE A DISCOUNTED

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SUBSIDY INSTEAD OF 5,000. WHATEVER HE WOULD BE. THAT IS WHAT WE PROPOSE BUT YOU CAN'T PLAY WITH THE SUBSIDIES TO BRING LIKE ASBURY CLOSER. IN THAT ONE AREA,.

IF YOU COLLAPSE THE HIGHER ONCE YOUR SUBSIDIES ARE LOWER AND IF YOU COLLAPSE IT FURTHER THEN THE SUBSIDY WILL BE HIGHER. BUT MIKEY SAID WE CAN'T ALWAYS REVISIT IT AND SEE HOW IT IS WORKING. SEE IF THE SUBSIDY PROGRAM IS WORKING.

>> I WILL MAKE A MOTION BE ADOPTED AS PRESENTED AND PLAN ON FIXING IT AND REVISITING IT IN

SIX MONTHS AND TAKING A LOOK AT IT. >> AND YOU WILL BE HERE TO DO

THAT. >> YES, MA'AM. >> AND YOU WILL BE COLLECTING

IT. >> DIDN'T LOOK AT IT LIKE THAT. >> YOU HAVE TO GET THEM IN HIS

NEW OFFICE. >> WE HAVE A MOTION. IS THERE A SECOND?

>> OVERALL I AGREE WITH IT BUT I DON'T MIND MAKING A FEW TWEAKS. THERE'S LIKE 18,000 DIFFERENT

OPTIONS. >> I WILL MAKE A SECOND THEN WE CAN DISCUSS MORE PARAGRAPH A

MOTION IN THE SECOND PERIOD. >> I THINK IT IS DIFFICULT TO TAKE ON A PLAN.

IT HAS BEEN HOURS OF PEOPLE PUTTING TOGETHER. IT LOOKS LIKE YOU CAN TAKE THIS AND TWISTED THIS WAY AND SIX LINES OVER THIS DOES THAT. I THINK THE RUBIK'S CUBE, ONLY NEED ONE MORE COLOR. THIS MAKES IT I THINK WHAT THIS HAS DONE, IT STABILIZED RESIDENTIAL AND INCREASED ON COMMERCIAL I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS INTENDED OR NOT.

SO, AS LONG AS, I CAN THROW THIS IN WITH CHUCK 19, IT WAS SUPPOSED TO RAISE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF MONEY, SO, IF WE ARE COMFORTABLE WITH THE MONEY IT'S GOING TO RAISE WE CAN MOVE IT FORWARD AND REVISIT IT IN THREE OR FIVE MONTHS AND SEE WHERE WE NEED TO IMPROVE IT.

>> OKAY. >> I AM GOOD WITH THAT. LIKE I SAID, YOU TWO ARE THE

ONES WHO WILL REVISIT IT AND TWEAK IT. >> HOPEFULLY, THE THREE COMMISSIONERS AND THE FUTURE COMMISSIONERS ARE LISTENING AND THEY CAN JUMP

RIGHT IN. >> I THINK WE OWE IT TO THEM. THIS IS WHAT WE STARTED TO DO.

WE NEED TO PUT IT TO BED. IF WE TWEAK IT. WE TWEAK IT.

THE MOBILITY FEE IS NOT WHERE WE WANT IT TO GO. WHEN WE WORK THE IMPACT FEE.

A LOT MORE PEOPLE PARTICIPATED PUTTING THIS TOGETHER. WE ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR MAKING

SURE THE ROOMS ARE PAY FOR PICK. >> FROM MY PERSPECTIVE I KNOW THIS WILL SHOCK AND AUNT TERESA BECAUSE I'M NORMALLY NOT IN FAVOR OF FEES. BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THIS AND THE AREA, WHAT I HEAR OVER AND OVER AGAIN, I HAVE BEEN RUNNING OUR LADIES HAVE STOPPED ME AND SAID I HAVE OWNED THIS PROPERTY FOR 20 YEARS MIGHT HAVE TO PAY AN IMPACT FEE.

I SAY I VOTED AGAINST IT. THIS HELPS, BECAUSE, THE MONEY THAT IS COLLECTED AND THE AREA OF HIGH GROWTH AND THERE IS LESS MONEY NEEDED FOR THE AREAS NOT EXPERIENCING IT.

IT MAKES MORE SENSE. AND I DON'T THINK ANYONE LIKES TO PAY ANYTHING BUT IF YOU ARE IN THOSE AREAS YOU WILL PAY LESS TO BUILD A HOUSE THAN YOU DO CURRENTLY.

FOR THAT REASON I SUPPORTED. AND I WILL BE SUPPORTING IT. >> ARE WE READY FOR BOTH? SO THE MOTION IS TO ACCEPT THE PLAN WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND PERIOD THAT INCLUDES THE AMENDMENT. THIS IS WHAT THE ATTORNEY POINTED OUT.

THE MOTION INCLUDES THE AMENDMENTS PUT FORWARD BY COUNSEL.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE FOR ALL OPPOSED QUACKS. >> THE MOTION CARRIES 4-1 PICK

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THE NEXT WILL BE A LOT EASIER. THIS ONE IS TO CONSIDER TRANSMITTAL OF THE COMPREHENSIVE

[29. 5:00 Time Certain or as soon thereafter as can be heard - First Public Hearing to Consider Transmittal of Comprehensive Plan Amendments to Incorporate the Mobility Fee (PC voted 7-0 to approve)]

PLAN AMENDMENT TO INCORPORATE THE MOBILITY FEE. IT WAS PAST 7-0 BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION. IF YOU WANT TO GIVE US A RUNDOWN.

>> NOW THAT WE ADOPTED IT. IT WAS COMPLETED BY THE CONSULTANT ON OCTOBER 27.

THE BOARD APPROVE THE MOBILITY FEE EFFECTIVE FEBRUARY 1 OF 201. WE ANTICIPATED THAT IF WE WOULD ADOPT IT WE WOULD DO IT ANYWAY. BY STATE LAW THOUGHT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN MUST BE INCORPORATED TO INCLUDE THE MOBILITY FEE. HERE ARE THE CHANGES.

TWO WEEKS AGO YOU CHANGE OCTOBER GETTING RID OF THAT. THE POLICY LANDED AND LASTED TWO WEEKS. THE METHODS THIS WILL BE ADOPTED BY THE BOARD IT WILL BE REQUIRED BY THE MOBILITY FEES REQUIRED. THIS ONE IS REDUNDANT. ON THE DEVELOPMENT SHALL BE SUBJECT TO ADDITIONS AND THE ORDINANCE IN ACCORDANCE TO THE POLICIES.

AGAIN, YOU MUST PAY THE OMIT -- MOBILITY FEES ADOPTED. AND THIS IS PROBABLY THE ONE, THEY INCORPORATE THE ORDINANCE ADOPTED OCTOBER 27, 2020 IN A COMPREHENSIVE PLANT BY FUNDING A MECHANISM WITH NEW DEVELOPMENT OF A SHARE OF THE COST TO PROVIDE MOBILITY FACILITIES AND SERVICES TO ACCOMMODATE NEW GROWTH. THAT IS THE POLICY WE NEED TO

ADOPT TO INCORPORATE IT WITHIN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. >> ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD

QUACKS. >> I SEE NONE WE WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

MR. OTTO. >> YOU CAN GO IF YOU WANT TO. >> JAMES OTTO, 2908 LANGLEY BOULEVARD. I JUST ASK THE CITIZENS TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT PRIOR MEETINGS YOU KNOW THE HISTORY OF CLAY COUNTY SPEAKS FOR ITSELF. I HAVE BEEN APPALLED COMING TO THESE MEETINGS FOR 16 YEARS. THE CITIZENS CAN GO BACK AND LOOK AT CLAY TRANSIT.

THAT IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF WHAT THE COUNTY'S PRIORITIES ARE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS.

I WOULD LIKE THE CITIZENS TO LOOK AT HOW THE MONEY IS BEING MOVED AROUND BECAUSE THERE ARE PRIORITIES THAT CERTAIN PEOPLE WANT THAT ISN'T GOOD FOR THE CITIZENS.

THE MAJORITY OF THE CITIZENS IN THIS COUNTY ARE NOT BENEFITING. IT IS A SELECT FEW THAT ARE

BENEFITING. >> MR. OTTO STAY ON THE MOBILITY FEE.

THE AMENDMENTS TO THE PLAN. >> YES, MA'AM. AGAIN I WANT TO ASK THE CITIZENS TO GO BACK AND RESEARCH THESE ITEMS ON THE PRIOR BOARD. GET A BETTER VIEW.

FOR SEPTEMBER 8 MEETING IS PERFECT IF THEY WANT TO LOOK AT THIS.

AND THE ISSUES THAT THEY ARE TRYING TO PASS RIGHT HERE. PLEASE GO BACK THERE AND ALSO LOOK AT FACEBOOK. CITIZENS ARE MAKING COMMENTS ON FACEBOOK ABOUT THESE MEETINGS

THAT ARE GOING ON. >> NOT ABOUT THE MEETINGS BUT THE MOBILITY FEE.

PEOPLE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT TRANSPARENT.

>> WHAT ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO COME FORWARD AND SPEAK. SEEING THAT THERE IS NO ONE, WE

WILL CLOSE THE HEARING. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. THOSE OPPOSED SAY AYE.

THE MOTION CARRIES FORWARD. >> WE WILL NOW GO BACK TO ITEM NUMBER 12.

APPROVAL OF 20/21 -- 11 SOLE-SOURCE PURCHASE. MILLENNIUM PATENT ACCESS CONTROL

SYSTEM. >> IT SOUNDS LIKE STAR WARS CHARACTERS PRETTY CLOSE.

ACCESS CONTROL TO ALLOW THE JAIL TO FEED AND ADMINISTER MEDICATIONS AND CONTROL THEIR

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ACCESS. WITH COVID WHO WANT TO MINIMIZE THE INTERACTION WITH THE

INMATES. >> OKAY. >> ANY QUESTIONS? THE COMPANY IS THE COMPANY THAT DESIGNS AND DEVELOP THIS TECHNOLOGY AND THEY ARE THE ONES

MANUFACTURING IT. >> SO IT IS NEW AND RIGHT OUT-OF-THE-BOX.

>> AS FAR AS I KNOW, YES. >> I WILL MOVE APPROVAL WITH THE WAVIER OF THE APPROACHING --

PURCHASING POLICY. >> OKAY. >> STRIKE THE WAIVER.

>> YOU WILL HAVE TO RETRAIN US. >> I DID NOT WANT TO GET YELLED AT FOR NOT ADDING THAT.

>> I GOT YOU WHERE I WANT YOU POTENTIALLY HAVE A MOTION DROP A A SECOND?

>> OUR SECOND PERIOD. >> MEMBER MOTION AND 82ND TO APPROVE THE PACKAGE OF THE MILLENNIAL PATENT ACCESS CONTROL SYSTEM. THE MOTION CARRIED 5-0.

[13. Approval of 20/21-8 Sole Source Purchase – Butterfly iQ+ Mobile Diagnostic Ultrasound]

>> ITEM NUMBER 13 APPROVAL FOR BUTTERFLY IQ AND MOBILE DIAGNOSED IT ULTRASOUND PICK.

>> AGAIN WE WANT AN ITEM. THE ITEM IS SOLE-SOURCE BECAUSE THIS BRAND IS ONLY AVAILABLE THROUGH THEM. SO WHILE THERE IS ANOTHER BRAND OUT THERE THAT DOES THE EXACT SAME THING WE DID LOOK AT IT FOR A COMPARISON BUT THEY WERE $40,000 MORE EXPENSIVE.

THAT OTHER PRODUCT IS ALSO A SINGLE SOURCE ITEM. EITHER WAY WE WENT TO PURCHASE

IT IT WOULD BE THE SAME VERSION. >> I MIGHT NOTE THESE ITEMS ARE BEING PURCHASED OUT OF THE CARES

ACT FUNDING. >> YES, MA'AM. >> HAVE A MOTION AT A SECOND

PERIOD ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. THE MOTION CARRIES. >> WHAT DOES THIS THING DO

QUACKS. >> WHAT DOES THIS GIZMO DO QUACKS.

>> THE BUTTERFLY IS AN ULTRASOUND SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU WOULD SEE, IF THEY DID YOUR HEART AND WE CAN USE IT IN THE BACK OF RESCUES FOR CHECKING MULTIPLE ITEMS FOR DIAGNOSIS.

>> SO IT ULTRASOUND IN THE AMBULANCE. >> YES, SIR.

>> YOUR PEOPLE ARE TRAINED FOR THIS QUACKS. >> THEY WILL BE WHEN WE GET

[14. Extension to Clay County Agreement #2019/2020-60 with the Florida Division of Emergency Management, Regarding the Tumbleweed Drive at Tanglewood Village Subdivison Drainage Phase 1 Project (FDEM #H0227)]

THEM. >> ALRIGHT, ITEM NUMBER 14. DALE WILL SHARE WITH US ABOUT THIS ONE. IT IS THE DIVISION OF EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT REGARDING TUMBLEWEED DRIVE. IT IS AN EXTENSION AND TAKES WILL WORK -- LONGER TO CONSULT IT IS THAT ONE YEAR AT A TIME. THIS WILL GIVE US TIME TO FINISH THE DESIGN.

THEN WE WILL GO FOR CONSTRUCTION. >> WE DON'T WANT TO LOSE THE OPPORTUNITY OF THAT GRANT. ANY QUESTION FOR THE STAFF QUACKS A MOTION.

>> MOVED TO APPROVE PICK. >> WE HAVE A MOOSE -- MOTION AND APPROVAL TO EXTEND FOR ONE YEAR

[15. Extension to Clay County Agreement #2019/2020-61 with the Florida Division of Emergency Management, Regarding the Knight Boxx Drainage Improvements Project (FDEM #H0233)]

PER CALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. IT CARRIES 5-0.

>> ITEM NUMBER 15. >> IS THERE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL QUACKS.

>> MOVED TO. >> ALL IN FAVOR. THE MOTION CARRIES 5-0.

[16. Agreement for Employee Physicals and Drug Testing with ClayMed]

>> ITEM 16 AGREEMENT FROM EMPLOYEE PHYSICALS AND DRUG TESTING WITH CLAIMANT.

AND JENNIFER WILL LEAD US ON THIS ONE. >> JENNIFER, HUMAN RESOURCES.

WE ARE SEEKING APPROVAL OF THE AGREEMENT BETWEEN CLAY COUNTY BBC AND CLAY MED OF NORTH FLORIDA. THIS ITEM COVERS GENERAL PHYSICALS, DOT PHYSICALS AND DRUG TESTING FOR NEW HIRES. ALSO RETURN TO WORK AND IT CHECKS FOR EMPLOYEES.

IT IS FOR A PERIOD OF THREE YEARS. AND THEY ARE LOCAL PROVIDERS

CURRENTLY. >> WAS THEIR CHANGE IN RATES QUACKS ANSWER WAS.

THIS WAS DONE THROUGH A COMPETITIVE BID. SO THEY WERE THE LOWEST ONES FOR

THOSE THREE ITEMS. >> VERY GOOD. >> MOVED TO APPROVAL.

CHANCE SECOND. >> MEMBER MOTION AND SECOND ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.