[Pledge of Allegiance] [Call to Order] [00:02:05] IS AN I BELIEVE THAT IS IT FOR STAFF. WE ALSO HAVE WITH US OFFICER LEONARD IN THE BACK. APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE, SIR. WE'VE GOT MEMBERS OF THE CLERK'S OFFICE WHO ARE HERE THIS EVENING. THEY'RE TAKING OVER OUR MINUTES FOR THE PLANNING AND ZONING. WE'VE GOT SEVERAL. THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE THIS EVENING. ALL RIGHT. THE CLAY COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION IS AN ADVISORY BOARD THE CLAY COUNTY BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS. THE DECISIONS MADE BY THIS BOARD ARE ONLY RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE BCC WHO WILL HAVE THEIR FINAL SAY AT THEIR MEETING ON SEPTEMBER 22ND AND OCTOBER 13TH. IF THERE'S A SPECIFIC ITEM ON THE AGENDA YOU WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON PLEASE FILL OUT ONE OF THE COMMENT CARDS THAT YOU'LL FIND AT THE ENTRY OF THE STRESS BILE IN THE BACK. WHEN YOU -- FILL THOSE OUT TURN THEM INTO KELLY SO WE KNOW WHAT ITEM YOU WANT TO SPEAK ON. THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD AT THE BEGINNING END END OF THE MEETING ARE FOR ANYTHING YOU WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ABOUT OTHER THAN THE ITEMS ON THE PUBLIC HEARING AGENDA FOR THIS MEETING. YOU'LL HAVE 3 MINUTES TO SPEAK. THERE IS A RED A YELLOW AND GREEN LIGHT UP HERE ON THE COUNTER TOP. WHEN YOUR 3 MINUTES START YOU'LL HAVE A GREEN LIGHT. AND THEN A YELLOW LIGHT AND THEN ONCE IT TURNS RED YOUR TIME IS OVER. I'M GOING TO ASK KINDLY THAT YOU CONCLUDE WITH YOUR PRESENTATION AND KINDLY HAVE A SEAT SO THAT I DON'T HAVE TO ASK YOU TO PLEASE HAVE A SEAT. PLEASE REMEMBER THAT THE ZONING ISSUES BEING HEARD TONIGHT THAT FOR THE ISSUES HEARD TONIGHT ISSUES SUCH AS TRAFFIC, DRAINAGE, WED LANTS WETLANDS AND ACCESS ARE NOT PERTINENT ON WHETHER TO APPROVE THE REZONING. ALL RIGHT. WITH THAT WE ARE GOING TO MOVE TO OUR APPROVAL OF MINUTES. >> MOVE TO APPROVE. [1.  Approval of Minutes] >> WE HAVE A FIRST. >> MR. CHAIRMAN ONE THING I NEED TO CHANGE IS A MINOR ONE ON PAGE TWO YOU OPENED THE MEETING TWICE PUBLIC COMMENTS. IT SHOULD BE CLOSED THERE AT THE BOTTOM. IT'S JUST A SMALL THING BUT IT'S NEEDS TO BE ACCURATE. >> PAGE TWO ABOUT FOURTH PARAGRAPH DOWN ON THE BOTTOM LINE CHAIRMAN OPENED THE PUBLIC COMMENTS IT SHOULD BE CLOSED PUBLIC COMMENTS. >> OK. STAFF DO WE HAVE THAT? OK. WITH THAT AMENDMENT. >> CORRECTION. [00:05:23] THAT GO? -- STRIKING THAT? >> I THINK CAUSE IT SAYS TYPE OF OFFICE BUILDINGS I THINK WHAT WE WERE QUESTIONING WAS WHAT TYPE OF BUILDINGS WERE ALLOWED RIGHT. SO THE CORRECTION SHIP WOULD BE POSED QUESTIONS TO STAFF REGARDING THE ALLOWED BUILDINGS WOULD BE ALLOWED ON THE PROPERTY. >> OK. ALL RIGHT. SO WE HAVE 2 CORRECTIONS TO THE MINUTES. ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS? HEARING NONE THAT WAS THE AMENDMENT TO THE MOTION. >> I'LL CHANGE MY MOTION TO ACCEPT THE MINUTES WITH THE REVISED CHANGES. >> OK. AND WHO WAS OUR SECOND? ALL RIGHT WE'RE IN DISCUSSION. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED SAME SOON. MOTION CARRIES THANK YOU. -- WE'RE GOING TO OPEN UP OUR FIRST PUBLIC HEARING COMMENT AGAIN THIS PUBLIC HEARING COMMENT IS FOR ANYTHING THAT YOU MIGHT WANT TO TALK ABOUT. IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE THE AGENDA ITEMS. SIT OPEN TO ANYTHING YOU'D LOOK TO TALK ABOUT. WE'RE GOING TO OPEN IT UP. ANYBODY WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK PLEASE COME FORWARD. SEEING NONE WE'RE GOING TO CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT AND CONTINUE WITH THE AGENDA. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE INTO OUR [1.  Public Hearing To Consider Rezoning Application Z-20-05 AR to BB-2] FIRST PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER REZONING APPLICATION ZULU -- 20 -- ZERO 5-A ARE. TO BB 2 AND I BELIEVE THAT NICK DO YOU HAVE THIS ONE OR IS ED DOING IT? OK. >> YOU'RE PROBABLY ASKING YOURSELF WHERE IS MR. WILLIAMS TONIGHT. >> THAT WAS MY QUESTION. >> HE'S IN A FAMILY EMERGENCY SO HE WAS NOT ABLE TO MAKE IT AND SO TODAY I WAS REQUESTED BY HIM TO GIVE THESE PRESENTATIONS. WISH ME LUCK. AGAIN THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING CHANGE IN ZONING FROM A.R. TO BB 2 OF THE PARCEL THAT'S 2 ACRES WITHIN THE COMMERCIAL FUTURE LAND USE CATEGORY AS RECENTLY ADOPTED CHANGE C.P.A. 20 '04. AS YOU RECALL THAT ONE THE PLANNING RECORD DECISION SHIN RECOMMENDED DENIAL. THE APPLICANTS REQUEST CHANGE IN ZONING ORDERED TO DEVELOP THE PROPERTIES OF BOTH STARTS MEETING THE CONDITIONAL USES. ALL RIGHT. HERE'S THE MAP THAT THOSE SHOWS YOU THE PROPERTY. THE BACK HALF FACES THE STREET IS THE PROPOSED TO BE REZONED TO BB 2. THE FRONT HALF IS ALREADY BB. HERE'S AN AERIAL PHOTOGRAPH SOME SIGNS. YOU CAN SEE ONE PARCEL WITH A SIDE FRONT ON DOLPHIN AVENUE ON ANGORA STREET. STAFF HAS REVIEWED THE APPLICATION DETERMINED IT IS CONSISTENT BECAUSE IT WAS AMENDED TO ALLOW FOR COMMERCIAL AND COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING AREA. BB 2 DISTRICT IS THE LEAST INTENSIVE OF THE BB USES IN ORDER TO SEEK THE USE THAT WAS REQUESTED. THERE IS A TYPO IN YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS HERE. SMALL TYPO DENIAL WAS PUT IN INSTEAD OF APPROVAL. STAFF RECORD MNDZ APPROVAL OF THE APPLICATION Z 2005. AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. >> ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? >> I JUST HAVE ONE CLARIFICATION. ED, DID YOU SAY THAT THIS WENT TO THE BCC LAST MONTH AFTER WE HEARD THE INITIAL? AND THEY APPROVED IT 4-1. >> YES. >> OK. THANK YOU. I WANT TO BE SURE I HAD THAT CORRECTLY. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? >> THE ONLY THING I WANTED TO [00:10:02] KNOW ON THIS WAS THIS IS ALL ONE PARCEL. IT'S BEEN IN WITH 2 ZONE NEXT ON IT. WHY WOULD WE NOT CHANGE THE WHOLE PARCEL TO ONE ZONING? >> BECAUSE THE EXISTING ZONING ALLOWS THE USES SO IT DIDN'T SEEM LIKE WE NEEDED TO HAVE TO. >> IT ALLOWS THE USES THAT ARE CURRENTLY PROPOSED BUT IN THE FUTURE SOMEONE IS GOING TO COME IN HERE AND THINK THEY CAN DO BB USES ON THE BACK HALF OF THIS PROPERTY. >> THEY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO. I MEAN. THAT IS THE TRICKY PART OF THIS BUT HOPEFULLY COUNTY STAFF WOULD RECOGNIZE THE FRONT HALF COULD ONLY DO THE BB. THE BB IS ALREADY ALLOWED. IF THEY WANTED TO DO BB ON THE FRONT HALF IT'S ALL RIGHT BUT THE BB 2 WITH WOULD BE ALLOWED IN THE BACK >> SO IT BECOMES A CODE ENFORCEMENT ISSUE. >> IT BECOMES OUR STAFF THAT'S WHY WE PUT 2 DIFFERENT ZONE NEXT BUT IT'S OUR STAFF MAKING SURE THAT THE BACK HALF PROPERTY IS BB 2 USE. >> OKAY. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? ALL RIGHT. IS THE APPLICANT HERE? YOU'RE WELCOME TO COME ON UP. WE'VE GOT SOMEBODY POPPING UP. >> MY NAME IS FREEMAN BROOKS I LIVE AT 3593 WEST OVER ROAD. I'D BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT ASK ME. >> I JUST WOULD LIKE TO ASK THE SAME QUESTION WHY NOT CHANGE THE WHOLE ZONING ON THE PARCEL TO THE SAME ZONING? >> WELL BB ZONING IS MORE COMPREHENSIVE THAN BB 2. AND THEY DON'T WE'D LIKE FOR EVERYTHING TO BE BB. THAT'S WHAT WE'VE BEEN PAYING TAXES ON FOR THE ENTIRE PARCEL FOR 13 YEARS. BUT I GUESS YOU DON'T OFFER B BEFORE ZONING ANYMORE. >> AND YOU'RE CLEAR AS THE OWNER THAT YOU CAN'T PUT BB USES ON THE BACK HALF OF THIS PROPERTY? ONLY BB 2 USES? >> NOT CLEAR. THAT WOULD BE UP TO THE STAFF BUT IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT WE COULDN'T PUT BB. >> NO. YOU MISS UNDERSTOOD MY QUESTION. MY QUESTION IS AS THE OWNER I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE DISTANCES ARE HERE BUT THE PARCEL THAT YOU'RE THE PIECE OF THIS PROPERTY THAT YOU'RE OR ASKING TO HAVE REZONED CANNOT HAVE THE SAME USES THAT BB HAS ON IT. THEY MAY HAVE OVERLAPPING USES BUT IF SOMEBODY COMES IN THERE AND WANTS TO DO SOMETHING INTENSIVE TO BB THEY CAN'T USE THE BACK HALF OF THIS PROPERTY FOR THAT. >> THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING. >> OK. ALL RIGHT. >> ALL RIGHT. >> IF I MAY. WHY IS THAT? I MEAN ON ONE HAND WE'RE SAYING THAT IT'S CON IDENTIFIESING BUT WE'RE GOING TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL. I JUST DON'T FOLLOW THE LOGIC QUITE HONESTLY. >> WE CAN'T DO BB ON THE BACK HALF. SO THEY'RE GOING BB 2. IF THE APPLICANT ISN'T WILLING TO GIVE UP HIS EXISTING BB RIGHTS THEN LEGALLY WE CAN'T LOWER IT. IT'S A LESS INTENSIVE BB USE. SO THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE SEEN AS A TAKING BECAUSE WE'RE ALLOWING LESS USES. HE ALREADY HAS BB. IF IT CHANGED TO BB 2. >> BB NO LONGER EXISTS? >> NO. >> IT EXISTS IN EXISTING USES BUT YOU CAN'T CHANGE THE BB THAT'S CORRECT. >> ALL RIGHT ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? >> I HAVE ONE QUESTION. THE ACCESS TO THE BACK HALF OF THAT PROPERTY WOULD THAT BE OFF COUNTY ROAD 218 OR WILL YOU HAVE A SEPARATE ACCESS OFF THE STREETS NEXT TO IT. >> IT FRONTS ON ANGOLA AND ALSO ON DOLPHIN. >> UNDERSTAND. SO YOUR ACCESS TO THAT PIECE IS GOING TO BE OFF ANGOLA OR DOLPHIN? INSTEAD OF COMING THROUGH YOUR BB SECTION OFF 218? >> WE WOULD PROBABLY TRY TO USE COUNTY ROAD 218 AND DOLPHIN. >> OKAY. >> ALL RIGHT ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? SEEING NONE MR. BROOKS, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR COMING UP. >> OK. >> ALL RIGHT. AT THIS TIME WE'RE GOING TO UP UP TO PUBLIC COMMENT. I WANT TO REMIND EVERYONE. THE PUBLIC COMMENT IS GERMAINE TO THIS AGENDA ITEM NOT ANYTHING YOU WANT TO SPEAK YOU TO BUT SPECIFICALLY TO THIS ITEM. WE'RE GOING TO OPEN UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. [00:15:02] WE HAVE ONE? OK. WHO IS IT? >> CAN YOU HEAR ME. >> MR. OTTO CAN YOU GIVE US YOUR ADDRESS AND YOU HAVE 3 MINUTES. >> YES I DON'T THINK I HAVE TO GIVE YOU MY ADDRESS BUT I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT. JAMES OTTO LAND MATED ONE AT GMAIL.COM. 29 ZERO 4 THROUGH 2910. I KNOW THIS PROPERTY IT'S OVER BY MY PLACE AND IT REALLY SHOULD RUN THE OLD JENNINGS ROAD TO THE BOULEVARD WOULD BE THE BEST THING BUT IT'S OVER THERE BY THE LIBRARY. THE B.A. IS WHAT THE COUNTY DOESN'T HAVE ANYMORE. THEY WENT TO I BELIEVE BB 1 THROUGH 5. MY THING IS I THINK IF YOU WANT TO BE MAKING CHANGES YOU SHOULD HELP THE COUNTY WITH SOME SIDEWALKS. I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD JUST BE GIVING THEM THE CHANGES. THIS OTHER PARCEL IN THE BACK I THINK IT'S LIKE 4 ACRES OR SOMETHING YOU COULD PROBABLY STILL DO RESIDENTS THERE OR SOMETHING ALONG THAT LINE. LET ME PUMP UP HERE. I APOLOGIZE. I GOT TO MOVED OUT OF THE WAY REAL QUICK. BUT YEAH, THE FOLKS ARE GRANDFATHERED IN WITH THE B.A. THAT HAVE IT. ANOTHER THING IS THE SCREENING LIKE THE TREES AND THE BUSHES AND ALL THAT CAUSE THERE IS SOME RESIDENTIAL AROUND THERE I THINK WE NEED TO BE CONSIDERATE AND REQUIRE SOME MORE BUFFER THERE TO MAKE SURE THAT NOBODY HAS TO LOOK AT THE STORAGE OF ALL THESE THINGS. WE HAVE QUITE A FEW OF THEM POPPING UP BUT YOU KNOW I KNOW MILLBURG WE'RE FLEXIBLE. WE LOOK IT FLEXIBLE BUT TO A CERTAIN EXTENT WE DON'T REALLY WANT -- AND I BELIEVE WE SHOULD BE FLEXIBLE TO THE GREATEST EXTENT BUT MAYBE CHAIN-LINK FENCE WITH THE PRIVACY SLATS IN IT IF THEY DON'T WANT TO GIVE UP THEIR SQUARE FIGHT TAME THERE OR SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO BE BETTER THAN WHAT THEY'VE GOT GOING ON OVER THERE ON 17. ANYWAY I THINK I'M ABOUT 3 MINUTES. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU MR. OTTO. OK ARE THERE ANY OTHER ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO COME UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? DO WE HAVE ANYBODY ELSE ONLINE? VERY GOOD. WE'RE GOING TO CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT. AND WE'LL BRING IT BACK TO THE PLANNING BOARD FOR DISCUSSION. >> MR. CHAIR I'VE GOT ONE MORE QUESTION FOR STAFF THEY MEANT TO ASK PLEASE. ED REMIND ME WHAT THE BUFFERING REQUIREMENTS ARE BETWEEN THIS AND THE RESIDENTIAL. IS IT 10 FEET. >> 20 FEET. >> I THINK IT'S 20 FEET. >> I MEAN JUST LOOKING AT A SATELLITE PICTURE I'M PRETTY SURE WHAT'S THERE DOES NOT QUALIFY. SO AT WHAT POINT WOULD THEY BE REQUIRED TO ESTABLISH THE BUFFER WITH THE LOT NEXT DOOR. >> IT WOULD BE PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW COMMITTEE. >> BEFORE THEY WERE ALLOWED TO MOVE ANYTHING ON HERE FOR STORAGE? >> CORRECT. >> OKAY. >> I HAVE A QUESTION. ED IS THERE ANY INDICATION OR SHOULD I ASK THE APPLICATION IS THERE ANY INDICATION THAT THEY'LL BE LOOTING GOING ON BEING THAT THERE'S RESIDENTIAL IN THAT AREA? >> WE HAVEN'T SEEN THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN YET. WE USUALLY REQUIRE A PHOTO METRIC PLAN TO ADDRESS THAT LOOTING. YOU KNOW SOMETIMES IT'S RETRICKS SHIN. IT MAY BE MORE RESTRICTIVE BUT WE'RE TRYING TOIC MANY SURE THAT ALL THE LIGHTING REQUIREMENT ARE THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY. THEY WILL HAVE TO DO A PHOTO METRIC PLAN. >> THANK YOU. >> OK. WE ARE NOW IN DISCUSSION AND AT THE END OF DISCUSSION WE'LL BE LOOKING FOR A MOTION. >> MR. CHAIRMAN I'VE GOT CONCERNS ABOUT MOSTLY I THINK THEY ALLUDED IT THAT IS A RESIDENTIAL AREA BACK THERE AND I THINK THE ROADS ARE GOING EAST AND WEST AND YOU KNOW IT'S A.R. RIGHT NOW BUT MIDDLEBURG GROWS AND THEY'LL WANTS TO BUILD BACK IN THERE. I'M CONCERNED ABOUT SUFFICIENT BUFFERING TO SCREEN THAT ACTIVITY. THE OTHER THING HE WANTS TO PUT A BOAT STORAGE IN THERE BUT HE [00:20:03] COULD ALSO IF HE SOLD IT THEY COULD PUT A GAS STATION BACK THERE WHICH IS ALLOWED IN BB 2. THAT'S I QUESTION WHETHER THAT TRUL SLY CONSISTENT WITH THE SURROUNDING AREAS AS FAR AS THAT ZONING GOES. >> ANY OTHER COMMENTS? >> KAY. WELL WE'VE GOT A 20 FOOT BUFFER REQUIREMENT. I THINK THAT YOU KNOW BASED ON WHAT WE DISCUSSED HERE AND IN THE PAST YOU KNOW WE'VE GOT STAFF APPS RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL. AND SO AT THIS POINT WE'LL BE LOOKING FOR A MOTION ON THE PLEASURE OF THE BOARD. >> IF I MAY JUST POINT OUT THE VISUAL BARRIER REQUIREMENTS ARE LISTED HERE AND IT'S ACTUALLY A 10 FIGHT LANDSCAPE AREA. >> OK. THANK YOU. >> AND JUST TO BE CLEAR TO THAT'S BETWEEN RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL. SO THERE'S NO BUFFER REQUIRED ON EITHER SIDE THAT FACES THE STREET. SO AND I UNDERSTAND THAT EVEN WITH THAT I THINK I'M GOING TO MOVE THE STAFF REPORT AT THIS POINT ALL THINGS CONSIDERED ON THIS ONE. >> WE HAVE A FIRST AND A SECOND. WE'RE IN DISCUSSION. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY AYE. ALL THOSE POSED SAME SIGN MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU MR. BROOKS. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE TO ITEM NUMBER 2 PUBLIC HEARING TO [2.  Public Hearing To Consider Rezoning Application PUD-20-02 PUD to PUD] CONSIDER REZONING APPLICATION P U.D. -- 20 -- 0-2 HUD 2 P U.D. AND. >> LOTS OF LUCK WITH THIS ONE. >> I BELIEVE YOU'VE GOT THIS ONE. >> IT'S A REQUEST AND CHANGE ZONING FROM P U.D. TO P U.D. WHICH MEANS IT'S AGREE BUTTED. IT'S A P U.D. SO IT IS AN EXISTING P U.D. THE PARCELS ARE COLLECTED 14 ACRES WITHIN THE P.C. PLANNED COMMUNITY LAND USE. IT'S LOCATED WITHIN THE ARGYLE FOREST D.R. I. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING TO AMEND THE BUTTED TO ALLOW FOR LOT WIDTH AND HIGH DENSITY LAND USE OF THE VILLAGES OF ARGYLE. SO THESE AREN'T CHANGES TO ZONING CATEGORY. THE CHANGES ARE PART OF THE P U.D. THAT WAS PART OF THE D.R. I. HERE'S A MAN OF THE PARCELS. THERE'S 6 PADS THAT ARE EXISTING. NOTHING HAS BEEN DEVELOPED ON THOSE. AND THEN THERE'S ANOTHER P U.D. PROPOSED DOWN THERE THEY ALL ADDRESS THE SAME ISSUE CHANGING THE TABLE IN THE P U.D. THAT'S PART OF THE D.R. I. TO CHANGE MAINLY TO CHANGE THE BUILDING WIDTH BUT I'LL SHOW YOU THE LANGUAGE IN A SECOND. BLESS YOU. HERE'S A PHOTO. AS YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THE YELLOW LINES KIND OF NEGATE THE VISUAL OF THE PADS BUT THE PADS ARE THERE. AND THE P U.D. DOWN THERE IS A VACANT PROPERTY. WRONG HOW WELL YOU CAN SEE THIS TABLE BUT AFTER REVIEWING THE STFF REPORT I THINK IT WASN'T CLEAR ON WHAT THE PROPOSED CHANGE WAS. SO I INCLUDED THIS IS BASICALLY THE CHANGE TO THE TABLE. THIS IS A TABLE FROM THE P U.D. YOU CAN SEE IN THE BLUE BELL LOW THERE WITHIN THE JENNINGS POINT PARCEL THE FOLLOWING MINIMUM SHALL APPLY FOR SINGLE ATTACHED TOWN HOMES. AS YOU CAN SEE SINGLE-FAMILY ATTACHED ARE IN THE MIDDLE ROW ON THE TABLE. AGAIN THERE'S NO PROPOSED CHANGE TO THE FRONT SET BACK. ACTUALLY THERE IS OF 10 FEET. CANGE IT FROM 20. SET BACK. NO CHANGE. SIDE SET BACK INTO CHANGE. SIDE STREET SET BACK INTO CHANGE. LOT SIZE AND LOWED WIDTH 18 FEET WAS REQUIRED ACCORDING TO THE LITTLE FOOTNOTE ABOVE IT. LOT SIZE IS 1,300 FEET. OVERALL THE BUILDINGS IS GOING TO BE THE SAME SIZE. NO CHANGE IN THAT. IT'S JUST TRYING TO CHANGE WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY RECOMMENDED AS CONDOMINIUMS AND NOW THEY WANT TO BUILD TOWN HOMES. CONDOMINIUMS WOULD BE UNDER MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL HIGH DENSITY AND THERE'S NO REQUIREMENT FOR SETBACKS. SO THE FACT THAT THEY WANT TO DO TOWN HOMES STAFF BELIEVES IT'S GOING TO BE LESS IMPACT BECAUSE THERE'S GOING TO BE ABOUT I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY 15 TOWN HOMES VERSUS 30 CONDOMINIUMS AND SO WE DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE CHANGES BECAUSE THEY'RE JUST BRINGING THE LOT WIDTH DOWN BUT AREN'T CREATING ANYMORE DEVELOPMENT THAN WHAT COULD OCCUR IF THEY WERE CONDOMINIUMS FORM THE PLANTATION OAK PARCEL FRONT SIDE 10 FEET REAR SIDE 8 SIDE SET AND LOT SIDES OF 1,000 FEET AND LOT WIDTH OF 15 FEET. [00:25:04] WHAT YOU ALSO HAVE TO REMEMBER THESE ARE THE PROPOSED CHANGES. AGAIN I HOPE THAT WAS MORE CLEAR THAN JUST PRESENT THISSING BECAUSE THIS DOESN'T SHOW YOU THE CONTEXT IN WHEN THE CHANGES WERE. WE REVIEWED THE APPLICATION DETERMINED THE REQUEST IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING AREA. IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTICE THE APPROVAL DECREASES THE DENSITY ALLOWED. AND THEN ANOTHER THING IF THIS WAS A STRAIGHT ARE. D ZONING WHICH WOULD PUT THESE TOWN HOMES THERE'S NO MINIMUM LOT WIDTH OR SETBACKS. IF IT WAS ANOTHER P U.D. THEY WERE BE NEGOTIATED. SO THIS IS NEGOTIATING THE SET BACK AS PART OF THE P U.D. I THINK IN YOUR PACKET RECOMMENDATION REPORT IT DID GO TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT BASED ON THE LANGUAGE I SHOWED YOU AND THE BOARD SAID THAT STAFF APPS IN EARN THE TAKE SHIN THAT THE MIDDLE ROW WAS ACCURATE. THAT'S WHY THEY'RE HERE TONIGHT SO THEY CAN BRING THIS BACK INTO COMPLIANCE WITH THE P U.D. WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL. MR. FRANK MILLER IS HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. >> THANK YOU, ED. >> QUICK QUESTION BECAUSE WE'RE REGUYING DENSITY DO WE REDUCE THE ILL PER I HAVE USE SURFACES -- REDUCE DENSITY. >> THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? >> YEAH. I DO BUT I'LL WAIT UNTIL AFTER THE APPLICANT. >> I'M GOING TO ASK IT NOW BECAUSE IT WILL GIVE MR. MILLER A CHANCE TO RESPOND TO IT AS WELL. MY ISSUE WITH THIS IS ALWAYS THE SAME THING. WHERE ARE YOU GOING TO PUT THE CARS? WITH A 10 FOOT FRONT SET BACK YOU CAN'T PUT THEM ON THE DRIVEWAY BECAUSE THE CARS OR TRUCKS ARE 20 FEET LONG. WHERE YOU GOING TO PUT THE CARS? AND THE ANSWER IS ALWAYS ONE IN THE GARAGE AND ONE ONTO DRIVEWAY. NOBODY PARKS IN THE GRAM OR NEARLY NO ONE PARKS IN THE GARAGE AND THERE'S NO ROOM ON THE DRIVEWAY. SO WERE ARE THE CARS GOING TO GO? THAT'S REALLY MY QUESTION. >> THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION FOR THE APPLICATION. >> LET FRANK ANSWER THAT. >> OK. ANY OR QUESTIONS FOR STAFF BEFORE WE INVITE THE APPLICANT UP. AND HEARING NONE THE APPLICANT IF YOU'D LOOK TO COME UP SIR. >> GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS FRANK MILLER. MY ADDRESS IS 225 WATER STREET JACKSONVILLE FLORIDA AND I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF THE OWNERS FOR THE TWO PARCELS. AND FOR A MOMENT IF I COULD KIND OF DESCRIBE THEM SEPARATELY. ON THE JENNINGS POINT PARCELS WHICH ARE THE LITTLE PADS COULD YOU GO BACK TO THE LITTLE MAP YEAH, THE YELLOW PADS. ACTUALLY THERE'S A PLATT FOR THAT PROJECT BASED ON THE 15 FOOT LOT SIDES WAS APPROVED BY BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS AND RECORDED. CONSTRUCTION PLANS WERE PRESENTED AND APPROVED. THEN THEY WENT THROUGH DRC FOR VERTICAL CONSTRUCION AND D.R. ARE C SAID WOULD WAIT A MINUTE. YOUR LOTS AREN'T BIG ENOUGH. AND SO THAT'S HOW WE GOT HERE ON THIS ONE. SO THERE'S A RECORDED PLATT WITH 10 FIGHT LOTS. OR 15 FOOT LOTS EXCUSE ME AND CONSTRUCTION PLANS THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED FOR THE HORIZONTAL CONSTRUCTION. SO IT WAS A CLARIFICATION. THE INTERESTING THING ABOUT THIS P U.D. IS IT SCRIBES CATEGORIES AND USES -- BUT IT DOESN'T SAY YOU CAN'T PUT A TOWN HOME IN MULTI-FAMILY CATEGORY AND IF YOU DID ARE YOU BOUND BY THE MULTI-FAMILY CATEGORY DESCRIPTION OF THINGS OR ARE YOU BOUND BY THE TOWN HOME DESCRIPTION OF THINGS? AND THIS AT LEAST CERTAINLY ON JENNINGS POINT IS AN ATTEMPT TO CLARIFY THAT AND SAY THAT WE'RE BUILDING IN THE MULTI-FAMILY CATEGORY AND WE'RE GOING TO BE USING THE MULTI-FAMILY CATEGORY CRITERIA WHICH END UP CREATING TOWN HOMES THAT HAVE 15 FOOT LOT WIDTHS RATHER THAN APARTMENTS. SO THAT'S ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT? >> ARE THOSE FEES SIMPLE >> YES. >> THE SAME TYPE PRODUCT SIMILAR PRODUCT AND LET ME ALSO POINT OUT THAT AROUND THE YELLOW PARCELS ARE CONDOMINIUMS THAT ARE PROBABLY MUCH SMALLER THAN THIS AND IF YOU COME SOUTH ALONG PLANTATION OAK LEAF PLANTATION PARKWAY YOU GET TO A MANY PRO [00:30:03] YKT CALLED COVENTRY WHICH ARE TOWN HOMES. SO IN THAT AREA YOU ALREADY HAVE TOWN HOMES AND CONDOMINIUMS THIS WILL BE ADDING 6 PADS OF ADDITIONAL TOWN HOMES. WE KIND OF GOT AHEAD OF THE GAME REALIZING THIS MAY BE AN ISSUE ON THE PLANTATION OAKS PARCEL BECAUSE THE CONCEPT WAS TO DO ESSENTIALLY THE SAME THING RATHER THAN HAVING APARTMENTS ON THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF PLANTATION OAKS PARKWAY AND OAK LEAF PLANTATION PARKWAY THE DESIRES TO DO TOWN HOMES FOR FEE SIMPLE OWNERSHIP OF THE LOTS. AND AGAIN IT'S IN THE VILLAGE CENTER SO WE'RE IN THE MULTI-FAMILY HIGH DENSITY SO WE'RE TRYING TO DO TOWN HOMES WITHIN WHAT WOULD OTHERWISE BE APARTMENTS AND THE MARKET IS GOOD FOR TOWN HOMES AND APARTMENTS ARE BUILT. PEOPLE NEED TO OWN THINGS. SO THERE'S A WHOLE MARKETING SIDE OF IT. TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION THESE ARE NOT GOING TO HAVE GARAGES. THEY'RE GOING TO BE PARKING IN THEIR PARKING LOT WITH 2 UNITS 2 SPACES PER UNIT. IT WILL BE -- IN YOUR MIND LOOK AT IT AS YOU WOULD AN APT MPT PROJECT. >> THEY'LL BE A PARKING LOT OUT IN FRONT? >> YES. >> OK. SO PEOPLE AREN'T GOING TO BE TRYING TO SQUEEZE CARSON THAT 15 FEET OF GRASS THEY GOT? >> NO. >> THAT'S WHAT WAS DRIVING BY E MY QUESTION ABOUT ILL PER I HAVE USE SPACE. IS THE PARKING LOT GOING TO CHANGE BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S NOT? >> NO. NO. >> IF I COULD ASK FRANK ONE QUESTION. WASN'T THE PARKING LOT DESIGNED FOR THE 30 CONDOS TOO? >> YES. INTERESTINGLY THE PARKING LOT AROUND THE PADS IS ALREADY THERE WITH NUMBERS ALREADY PAINTED ON THE SPACES. >> WHAT ABOUT THE OTHER ONE? >> IT'S TOTALLY EMPTY. >> IS THE IDEA TO DO PARKING LOTS THERE. >> YES, THE SAME CONCEPT. DRIVE LANE WITH PARKING SPACES ON EACH SIDE. AND I WOULD POINT OUT TOO THAT IMMEDIATELY TO THE NORTH AND EAST OF THE PLANTATION OAKS PARCEL WHICH IS THE ONE DOWN IN THE CORNER THERE'S U.F. HEALTH CENTER AND THEN ESSENTIALLY RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET OR RIGHT ACROSS OAK LEAF PLANTATION PARKWAY IS THE NEW FIRE STATION. AND I'M AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND PLEASE ASK DON'T CLOSE THE HEARING AND THEN YOU-ALL TALK AMONG YOURSELVES AN DON'T GIVE ME AN OPPORTUNITY I THE TO RESPOND. >> WELL WE MAY DO THAT FRANK. >> I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION. IT'S NOT RELEVANT TO ANYTHING YOU JUST SAID BUT IF THIS WASN'T SORT OF A MISTAKE YOU PROBABLY WOULDN'T BE HERE TONIGHT WOULD YOU? >> IF WE WERE ALLOWED, NO. I MEAN THAT'S CORRECT. >> MY QUESTION IS GOING TO BE FOLLOW-UP ON THAT. >> COMMISSIONER. >> SO WHAT I'M LOOKING AT BOTTOM RIGHT PICTURE THAT'S THE EDGED OF THE PARKING LOT WITH THE NUMBER ON THE SPACE THERE. >> YES. >> AND THE BUILDINGS WILL BE ON WHAT IS GRASS THERE NOW? >> EXACTLY. >> OK. I KNOW THIS IS MORE OF A HOMEOWNERS KIND OF THING BUT IS THERE GOING TO BE RESTRICTION TO PREVENT PEOPLE FROM GOING UP AND PARKING IN THERE YARDS? >> I'M SURE THERE WILL BE AND IT MAY BE A CONSTRUCTION ITEM. THERE'S MAYBE A CURB THERE. >> THAT WILL ONLY SLOW THEM DOWN. THAT WON'T STOP THEM. THAT WOULD BE MY SUGGESTION THAT IT'S ALWAYS TRYING TO KEEP THEM OUT OF THOSE LITTLE YARDS. THIS IS A BETTER SOLUTION FOR THESE SMALL LOTS IF YOU CAN KEEP THEM IN THE PARKING LOT. >> UNDERSTOOD. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? SEEING NONE MR. MILLER THANK YOU SO MUCH. >> THANK YOU. >> ALL RIGHT. AT THIS TIME WE'RE GOING TO OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING. AGAIN AS A REMINDER IT NEEDS TO BE GERMAINE TO THIS AGENDA ITEM. DO WE HAVE ANYBODY FOR PUBLIC HEARING? MR. OTTO? MR. OTTO? >> YES, SIR. YES, SIR. CAN YOU HEAR ME. >> YES. PLEASE GO AHEAD YOUR 3 MINUTES STARTS NOW. >> THIS IS JAMES OTTO LAND ONE AT GMAIL.COM. 29 '04 THROUGH 2910 BOULEVARD. THANK YOU MR. FOR STARTING WHAT I WAS GOING TO SPEAK ON. [00:35:08] I WANT TO TAKE IT A STEP FURTHER. I'D ASK THAT WE PUT A MORATORIUM ON EVERYTHING UNTIL WE GET THE NEW BOARD COMING IN UNLESS IT'S THE ACTUAL LIKE INDIVIDUAL THAT WANTS TO BUILD A HOUSE FOR YOUR KID OR YOUR GRANDMOTHER OR SOMETHING BUT HE'S DEAD ON POINT THERE ABOUT THESE 2 STORIES. IF YOU GO TO KNOCK CAT TEE -- NEVER GOT THIESSON OF A GUNS 1-2 STORY EVERY 3 HOUSES. THEY PARK ON THE SIDEWALKS. THE KIDS CAN'T EVEN RIDE THE BICYCLES DOWN THE SIDEWALKS. THEY'RE PARKING ALL THE WAY UP AND DOWN THE STREETS. THE KIDS ARE PULLING OUT AND ONE OF THE DELIVERY GUYS ON ONE OF THOSE COMPANIES I FORGOT THE NAME OFF THE TOP OF MY TONGUE RIGHT NOW BUT THEY'RE COMPETING WITH THE POST OFFICE. THEY'RE DRIVING THE POST OFFICE UP AND AN ISSUE THERE AND TO STAY ON TOP THESE ARE FIRE DEPARTMENT CAN'T GET DOWN THE ROAD. THEY'VE GOT CARS PARKED RIGHT ACROSS FROM EACH OTHER. THERE'S NO WAY THAT YOU CAN GET A FIRE TRUCK DOWN THAT ROAD. IF SOMEBODY IS HAVING A HEART ATTACK. I MEAN KNACK CAT TEE HAS A HUGE PROBLEM DOWN THERE -- WITH WHAT THEY'VE GOT GOING ON AND I DON'T WANT TO SEE THE PLANNING MAKE THE SAME MISTAKE. SO HERE THING IS THE PUBLIC SIDEWALKS. YOU GUYS DON'T NEED TO APPROVE ANYTHING UNTIL WE GET OUR STREETS OUR DRAINAGE PROBLEMS UNDER CONTROL. WHATEVER THEY'VE GOT IS WHAT THEY'VE GOT. THEY CAN ADD TO IT LATER. THERE'S NO SENSE. WE SHOULDN'T BE DOING 129 MILLION DOLLAR LOAN RIGHT NOW. WE SHOULD BE WORKING OUR OWN PEOPLE AND TAKING IT OVERTIME AND NOT TRYING TO PUSH AND GET EVERYTHING DONE RIGHT NOW HAVING ANOTHER AVENUE MALL WHERE THEY'RE MOVING TO THE ST. JOHN'S TOWN CENTER THAT THEY'LL MOVE SOMEWHERE ELSE. WE HAD A STUDY DONE AND THEY SAID IT'S THE OLD TOWN FEEL. SO YOU GOT ONE WAY TO DO THIS AND THAT'S THE RIGHT AWAY THE FIRST TIME. WE GOT A LOT OF PEOPLE COMING IN THERE ASKING YOU TO DO IT. THE RV PARKING THEY SHOULD HAVE THEIR OWN KIDS PARK IN THESE DEVELOPMENTS. IF THEY WANT TO HAVE A DEVELOPMENT WHERE THEY WANT TO HAVE THEIR OWN LITTLE RULES AND EVERYTHING THAT YOU CAN'T HAVE CONCRETE OUT BY THE CURB WHICH THEY HAVE IN KNACK CAT TEE THE SAME TYPE OF SUBDIVISION -- THEY NEED THEIR OWN RV STORAGE SO WE DON'T HAVE TO LOOK AT IT. >> MR. OTTO. MR. OTTO. YOUR 3 MINUTES. MR. OTTO YOUR 3 MINUTES HAVE EXPIRED. THANK YOU SIR. IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO COME UP TO PUBLIC COMMENT. SEEING NONE WE'LL BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMISSION FOR DISCUSSION. >> IF THERE'S NO MORE DISCUSSION I'LL MOVE THE STAFF REPORT. >> I HAVE A QUESTION FIRST. I WAS WAITING TO SEE. >> WE CAN HANDLE IT DURING DISCUSSION UNLESS YOU WANT TO DO IT BEFORE. >> THIS WAS A LITTLE COP IDENTIFIESING. I MADE A NOTE BECAUSE WE'RE REDUCING SIZE AND REDUCING DENSITY. I WAS LIKE HOUSE THAT GOING TO HAPPEN? I DIDN'T REALIZE IT WAS GOING FROM CONDOMINIUM TO TOWNHOUSE. ANY CONCERN IS REDUCE THING SIDE FOR THIS P U.D. WHAT DOES THIS DO FOR ANY FUTURE DEVELOPMENT IN THAT PARTICULAR AREA REDUCING THE SIZE OF THIS? IF ANOTHER DEVELOPER COMES IN AND WANTS TO OBVIOUSLY USE THAT THESE PARTICULAR DIMENSIONS AND INCREASE THE DENSITY BY PUTTING IN EXTRA UNITS AND GOING POTENTIALLY CONDO? I KNOW THERE'S A GRAY AREA IN THERE ABOUT CONDO AND AMOUNT OF SET BACK SIZE AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF. >> YEAH REMEMBER THIS IS PART OF A D ARE. I SO THE NUMBER OF UNITS ARE SET. SO IF THEY WANT TO INCREASE DENSITY THEY WOULD BE ALLOWED TO BUT THEY CAN'T GO BEYOND WHAT'S APPROVED IN THE DEVELOPMENT ORDER. >> I THINK MAYBE I'M NOT ASKING THE QUESTION CORRECTLY. IS THE CHANGE TO THIS GOING TO CHANGE EVERYTHING ACROSS THE BOARD? IS THE REDUCTION IN SIZE GOING TO CHANGE EVERYTHING ACROSS THE BOARD? >> NO JUST SPECIFICALLY FOR THESE PROJECTS. >> JUST SPECIFICALLY FOR THESE 2 PROJECTS. >> THAT'S RIGHT. >> SO NO FUTURE DEVELOPMENT. >> CORRECT. >> ANY QUESTION? DO WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR? >> NO BUT I'LL MAKE ONE. >> THAT'S REALLY WHAT I WAS ASKING. >> I'LL MOVE THE STAFF REPORT ON THIS ONE. >> I'LL SECOND. >> OK. WE HAVE A FIRST. WE HAVE A SECOND. WE'RE IN DISCUSSION. [00:40:01] ANY FURTHER COMMENTS? HEARING NONE ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY AYE. EYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED SAME SIGN. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU POOR BEING HERE THIS EVENING. ALL RIGHT. [3.  Public hearing to consider LDC 2020-02 A Lake Asbury Interstate Village Center uses] WE'RE GOING TO MOVE TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 3. PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER LD C 20 -- ZERO 2 LAKE AS BEARLY VILLAGE INTERSTATE USES AND MS. CAROL LISTEN. YOU GOING TO WALK US THROUGH THIS ONE? >> YES, SIR. TIS ONE IS NUMBER 3? IT'S THE A THANK YOU. THE APPLICANT ON THIS PROJECT IS YOUNG DEVELOPMENT SERVICES L.L.C. AND THE AGENT IS FRASER. THIS IS PROPOSED TO THE SPECIFY CERTAIN USE CITIES BE PERMITTED IN THE LAKE ASBURY INTER CHANGE VILLAGE WHICH WE ALSO CALL IB C. THIS APPLICATION WOULD ILL MOM MNT C.P.A. 20200-2 AND IT WILL BE HEARD BY THE BCC IN OCTOBER WHEN WE HAVE RECEIVED COMMENTS BACK FROM THE STATE OF FLORIDA ON THIS C.P.A. WHICH WE'VE TRANSMITTED. SINCE THE BOARD MEETING LAST MONTH. >> THIS ONE RIGHT HERE. >> I'M SORRY. THIS PROPOSED AMEND MEANT CHANGE JESS A LITTLE BIT OF THE ARED WOULDING YOU CAN SEE IN THE TOP PARAGRAPH THERE. IT'S JUST AGREE WORDING OF SOMETHING TO MAKE IT CLEARER. THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE 2 PROPERTIES THAT WE HAVE IN LAKE ASBURY. THE 18 .7 .5 ACRE PARCEL IS HENLY ROAD AS WE DISCUSSED AT OUR MEETING LAST MONTH AND THEN THERE'S AN IB C LOCATED AT STATE ROAD 16 WHICH DOES ALLOW LIGHT INDUSTRIAL. AND ALL THIS ALL THAT LANGUAGE CHANGED DIDN'T CHANGE THE MEANING. IT JUST REWORDED IT A LITTLE BIT UP THERE. THE PERMITTED USES ARE BEING LISTED IN PARAGRAPH 2 UNDER PERMITTED USES. SO WHAT'S PROPOSED OF CONSEQUENCE IS THE ADDITION OF B.C. USES WITHOUT LIMITATION OR PERMITTED REGIONAL SCALE WOULD INCLUDE FAST FOOD WITH DRIVE-THROUGH SALE OF GASOLINE WITH CAR WASH CONVENIENCE AND GAS ESTABLISHMENTS CAFE AND RESTAURANT WITH DRIVE-THROUGH BANK WITH DRIVE-THROUGH GROCERY STORE AND PHARMACY WITH DRIVE-THROUGH. SO THESE ARE THE REGIONAL SCALE KIND OF USEES THE HIGHWAY FRIENDLY USES THAT WOULD GO WITH THE FIRST COAST EXPRESSWAY. THE I B.C. WAS IDENTIFIED TO DEAL WITH THAT MARKET. AND SO THESE USES ARE BEING PROPOSED TO BE ADDED. SO STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS TO APPROVE THE AMENDED LANGUAGE. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER THEM AND MS. FRASER IS HERE TO REPRESENT THE APPLICANT. >> THIS ONE GOES IN SEPTEMBER 22ND. IT WAS AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 4 IS HEARD ON THE 13TH. SO THIS ONE IS ON THE 22ND. OK. THANK YOU. QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? >> JUST ONE. WE MADE A BIG POINT OF CHANGING THIS TERM TO REGIONAL DO. WE HAVE A DEFINITION OF REGIONAL SOMEWHERE? YOU KNOW REGIONAL SCALE? >> NOT IN LAKE ASBURY TO MY KNOWLEDGE WE DON'T. I DON'T BELIEVE WE HAVE ONE IS THAT SOMETHING YOU WOULD LIKE US TO AMEND THE CODE TO BE MORE SPECIFIC. >> WELL I'LL ASK MS. FRAZIER BUT I DON'T LIKE WORDS THAT DEFINE THE SIZE OF SOMETHING THAT HAVE NO DEFINITION >> THAT'S A GOOD POINT. WE'LL LET MS. FRAZIER. >> ANY OR QUESTIONS FOR STAFF BEFORE WE INVITE THE APPLICANT UP? SEEING NONE THANK YOU. MRS. FRAZIER. >> GOOD EVENING. SUSAN FRAZIER JACKSONVILLE. TALK ABOUT THE REGIONAL ISSUE BEFORE WE GO INTO THE APPLICATION. SO IN PLANNING YOU THINK OF SCALE AS A SMALL BUILDING AND A [00:45:05] BIG BUILDING. IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE THINKING. >> WELL SPECIFICALLY MS. FRAZIER IN HERE IT SAYS THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT CLARIFIES REGIONAL SCALE AND THE PHRASE SHALL NOT BE LIMITED TO SMALL SCALE USES BUT THEY DON'T EVER REALLY SEE ANYTHING THAT DEFINES THE INTENT OF THE TERM REGIONAL SCALE. >> AND SO IN PLANNING THERE IS A LEGAL TERM FOR THAT. AND SO THAT'S MAYBE WHAT I WAS GOING TO COME TO. SO WHEN WE TALKED LAST MONTH I THINK IT WAS ABOUT I THINK WE ADD ADD NEIGHBORHOOD INSTEAD OF SMALL SCALE -- ADDED. WHEN I THINK OF SCALE A LITTLE BUILDING AND A BIG BUILDING. SO SMALL SCALE COULD BE A LITTLE WALMART. BUT IN PLANNING IT'S ACTUALLY NEIGHBORHOOD COMMUNITY REGIONAL. SO NEIGHBORHOOD ARE THE THINGS YOU GO TO NEAR YOUR HOUSE THE DRY CLEANER. THIS IS OLD TIME MY BECAUSE WE DRIVE EVERYWHERE AND AMAZON DELIVERS EVERYTHING BUT NEIGHBORHOOD IS THINGS YOU WALK TO. AN ICE CREAM STORE BACK WHEN WE USED TO WALK TO THINGS. COMMUNITY IS MORE THE GROCERY STORE. THERE'S NOT A GROCERY STORE IN EVERY NEIGHBORHOOD SO SEVERAL GO TO A GROCERY STORE. THE CVS PARM MASSIE IS COMMUNITY. REGIONAL SCALE IS TOWN CENTER MALL ORANGE PARK MALL AMAZON DISTRIBUTION CENTER. THINGS THAT ARE ONLY ONE. THEY'RE AND USUALLY INTERSTATES BECAUSE THEY ARE REGIONAL. YOU DRIVE TO THEM. THERE MIGHT BE ONE IN YOUR COMMUNITY. AND SO WHEN WE TALK AT LAB NURSE IT'S NEIGHBORHOOD COMMUNITY REGIONAL. AND THEN IN THAT TOWN CENTER THERE CAN BE AN SMALL ICE CREAM STORE BUT IT'S IN A REGIONAL CENTER SO IT ISN'T ABOUT THE SIZE OF THE BUILDING OR BUSINESS. IT'S ABOUT THE TRAVEL DISTANCE AND THE RETAIL MARKET SHED FOR THAT TYPE OF CENTER. SO YOU WOULDN'T ALLOW AMAZON DISTRIBUTION CENTER IN LAKE ASBURY WHERE YOU IS LOCAL ROADS AND LOTS OF KIDS AND SCHOOLS BUT YOU WOULD ALLOW MORE OF THOSE LOCAL SHOPPING. LOCAL ISSUES. SO IT'S A DIFFERENCE IN TERMS. SO I THINK LAST MONTH WE WERE TRYING TO SAY ■THATTHE WORD SMALL SCALE REALLY HAD NO MEANING IN PLANNING BUT THE TERM NEIGHBORHOOD WHICH IS VILLAGE SEPTEMBER SIR RIGHT WALKING DISTANCE STUFF THAT'S WHY THERE'S 9 OF THEM WAS THE APPROPRIATE PROFESSIONAL TERM FOR THAT. SO WHEN WE SAY REGIONAL THIS IS KIND OF SAYING ANYTHING GOES. THIS IS AS BIG AS YOU WANT TO GET. IF YOU WANT TO PUT SOMETHING AT AN INTER CHANGE THAT'S WHERE YOU WANT THOSE USES. AND SO IT KIND OF HAS THAT FLAVOR TO IT. I THINK THE CATEGORY ITSELF TODAY SAYS REGIONAL. I DON'T THINK WE MADE A CHANGE TO THAT IN PARTICULAR. BUT REALLY THIS IS WE'RE BACK TO THE ZONE HOUSING CODE ISSUES WE HAVE IN THE REGULAR ZONE HOUSING CODE. WHAT YOU DON'T SEE IN THE APPLICATION IS WHAT'S ALLOWED IN A VILLAGE CENTER. SO AN INTER CHANGE VILLAGE CENTER IS A PLUS. SIMILAR HERE TO THE ZONE HOUSING CODE THE VILLAGE CENTER IN LAKE AS BARRY READS LIKE EVERY THING YOU CAN IMAGINE -- LAKE ASBURY. FLORIST SHOE REPAIR DRY CLEANER RETAIL BEER AND WINE. SALE OF GAS WITHOUT A GARAGE. CAR WASH OR CAR WASH FACILITIES. IT'S THAT DETAILED. YOU COULD HAVE A BLUE BUILDING BUT NOT A BROWN BUILDING. SO WHEN WE'RE ADDING THESE WE SEEM TO BE ADDING THESE LITTLE FINE GRAIN DEFINITIONS BUT THEY'RE NECESSARY BECAUSE WITHOUT THEM I COULDN'T HAVE A DRIVE-THROUGH ANYTHING IN THESE INTER CHANGE VILLAGE CENTERS. NO STARBUCKS. NO DUNKIN' DONUTS NOTHING. WITHOUT A DRIVE-THROUGH.SAYS - SO WHEN WE LOOKED AT THE LIST AND WE KNEW THE PEOPLE WHO WANTED TO OCCUPY THIS PROPERTY PARTICULARLY ON HENLEY ROAD AND AT 10050 ACRES THAT'S GOING TO BE AT STATE ROAD 16. WE THOUGHT WE NEED A DRIVE-THROUGH. THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE WANT. THAT'S WHAT THESE STORES ARE NOW. SO THE INTENT IS REALLY JUST TO SAY THE CODE IS SO WELL-DEFINED NOW IT VIRTUALLY EXCLUDES THE WHY ISES THAT WE'RE ADDING. WE KNOW THOSE ARE DESIRABLE IN THESE LOCATIONS AND THEY'RE APPROPRIATE AT AN INTERCHANGE. SO I THINK THERE'S A LONG-TERM GOAL TO KIND OF MAKE THIS LESS SPECIFIC BUT WE HAVE PEOPLE KNOCKING ON THE DOOR. SO THIS IS HELPING US KEEP MOVING. SO I'M HAPPEN POWERS TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE. >> ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? >> I'M THINKING I DO HAVE A QUESTION. >> I'M SORRY WE DO HAVE A QUESTION. [00:50:02] >> SO WE'RE ADDING AND WE'VE GOT ALL THE THINGS WITH DRIVE THROUGH BUT YOU MENTIONED REALLY LIKE THE AMAZON PROBABLY BIG BOX STORES AND ALL DO THOSE ALL GET INCLUDED? BECAUSE THIS IS REGIONAL? >> SEE AND I DON'T BELIEVE AND I THINK MS. MORGAN HAS SAID BIG BOXES. THE LIST -- >> I'M A BIGGING THIS ON WHAT YOU SAID ABOUT REGIONAL. REGIONAL TO ME SAYS BUILD IT AS BIG AS YOU WANT. >> AND WHERE DO YOU WANT THOSE? WHERE DO YOU WANT WALMART. >> PREFER BY IN DUVALL COUNTY. I DON'T WANT IN HERE. BUT MY POINT IS THERE'S KIND OF A LIST HERE AND THEN YOU TALKED ABOUT SOME OTHER WHAT ARE MUCH LARGER USES. I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IF THEY'RE COVERED IN HERE. >> WHEN I READ THE VILLAGE CENTER LIST OF USES I WOULD BE HARD-PRESSED TO TELL YOU AND CAROLYN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG THAT I COULD HAVE A BIG BOX. YOU THINK THAT I CAN BECAUSE I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE THEM BUT I'M NOT SURE THAT I CAN. SOFTWARE SALES AND RENTAL. THAT'S BEST BUY. YOU KNOW IT'S HOME AND OFFICE SALES AND SUPPLY. COMPUTER SOFTWARE SALES AND RENTALS. >> THAT'S HOME DEPOT. >> YES. SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT I THINK THE STAFF WOULD BE VERY PRACTICAL IN SAYING IT'S JUST APPROPRIATE AT THE INTERCHANGE AND WOULD NOT TRY TO CUT OFF THOSE OPPORTUNITIES THAT ARE APPROPRIATE. BUT I THINK THERE IS SOME ADJUSTMENTS TO VILLAGE CENTER THAT ARE GOING TO HAPPEN OVERTIME BUT THESE ARE THE ONES THAT HELP US IMMEDIATELY. >> REMEMBER THAT THERE WERE 2 THERE'S 2 DIFFERENT I.V. C'S AND ONE DOESN'T ALLOW THE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL. I WOULD PUT THE WAREHOUSING. SO WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT A DISTRIBUTION CENTER I DON'T THINK THAT WOULD FIT UP AT HEN REROAD. >> BUT IT WOULD AT 16. >> IT COULD BE ON STATE ROAD 16. THE WORD REGIONAL IS CURRENTLY IN UNDER PARAGRAPH 2 OF THE PERMITTED USES NOW AND SO WE HAVEN'T CHANGED THAT SENSE THAT IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE REGIONAL. THE OTHER FORMER LANGUAGE JUST SAID REGIONAL SCALE AND DIDN'T GIVE ANY SUGGESTION WHAT THAT COULD BE SO THE PROPOSED LANGUAGE SORT OF SUGGESTS THE ORIGINAL SCALE MEANS ADDING A DRIVE-THROUGH. >> I THINK THAT ANSWERS. >> ALL RIGHT. VERY GOOD. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. AT THIS TIME WE'RE GOING TO MOVE INTO OUR PUBLIC HEARING. WE'RE GOING TO OPEN PUBLIC HEARING AGAIN ITEMS THAT WE'RE GOING TO SPEAK OF ARE YERM MAIN TO THIS AGENDA ITEM. DO WE HAVE ANYBODY THAT'S GOING TO I APPROACH. >> MR. OTTO -- MR. OTTO? >> YES, SIR. CAN YOU HEAR ME. >> YES MR. OTTO. YOUR 3 MINUTES STARTS NOW. PLEASE PROCEED. >> THIS IS JAMES OTTO LAND MATE ONE AT GMAIL.COM. -- LAND MATE. I WOULD ASK YOU TO GO BACK ON VIDEO AND SEE MR. LONDON'S PRESENTATION. YOU GOT A LOT OF FEEDBACK GOING ON. SO THE SCALE SHOULD ALSO INCLUDE THE ROAD TRIPS. CAN YOU HEAR ME SIR? >> YES MR. ON THE TO. ARE YOU SPEAKING TO THIS AGENDA ITEM. >> OK. YES, SIR I AM. I'M TALKING TO THE STUFF THAT THEY'VE JUST SPOKE ON BUT I WANTED YOU TO REMEMBER THAT MR. LONDON PRESENTATION. THIS IS GOING AGAINST WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW. THAT'S MY IDEOLOGY TO YOU ON WHAT YOU'RE DOING WITH APPROVING STUFF AND YOU TALK ABOUT THE DOLLAR STORES AND THAT'S PUTTING THE BUSINESSES WITH FRESH FOOD ARE GOING TO BASICALLY OUT OF BUSINESS BECAUSE THEY CAN'T COMPETE WITH THE DOLLAR STORES JUST FOR THAT INPUT. I'VE SEEN THAT ONLINE. DAYCARE WOULD BE HIGHLY RECOMMENDED ON MY END. SO THAT THEY CAN BE OFF THE MAIN ROADS LIKE 218 HAS GOT DAY CARES AND WE'RE BUILDING SCHOOLS ON MAIN ROADS. BUT LIKE ORANGE PARK SOUTH THEY HAVE THAT LITTLE AREA OFF OF THE HIGHWAY FOR ALL THEIR LITTLE BUSINESSES THE BARS AND EVERYTHING. AND THE VILLAGES THE CITY AND CENTRAL FLORIDA IS AN ADULT PLAYGROUND. [00:55:05] I LIKE EVERYBODY NO TO KNOW THAT IT'S AN HOUR FROM DISNEY WORLD FOR YOUR GRANDKIDS AND ALL THAT. >> MR. OTTO PLEASE STAY ON TOPIC OR YOUR MINUTE WILL END. PLEASE STAY ON TOPIC. >> YES. I KNOW YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE VILLAGES BUT I'M SAYING THE TRUE VILLAGES IS AND RETIREMENT. >> MR. OTTO WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THE VILLAGES. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AGENDA ITEM 3 IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING RELATING TO AGENDA 3 THEN YOU CAN FINISH YOUR TIME. IF NOT WE'RE GOING TO CUT YOU OFF. >> YES, SIR. YES, SIR. YOU'RE ALSO TALKING ABOUT BUSINESSES LIKE GREEN COAT SPRINGS HAS THE DRIVE-THROUGH LIQUOR STORE THAT WOULD BE AWESOME TO SEE IN OTHER PARTS OF THE COUNTY. AND THEY FORGOT THAT MARIJUANA IS LEGAL NOW. DON'T FORGET ABOUT THOSE STORES THAT CAN GO IN BUT ALSO REMEMBER THAT PEOPLE ARE NOT YOU KNOW SO WE'LL SEE HOW THINGS WORK OUT. BUT I DEFINITELY LIKE TO SEE SOME DRIVE-THROUGH ALCOHOL STORES. >> MR. OTTO YOUR 3 MINUTES IS UP. THANK YOU FOR YOUR INPUT. >> IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE FOR PUBLIC HEARING? SEEING NONE WE'RE GOING TO CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING AND BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMISSION FOR DISCUSSION. >> TAKING A LOOK AT THIS I DON'T THINK THAT AS CAROLYN SAID BEFORE THAT THE SMALL PARCEL THAT 18 POINT 75 ACRES IS REALLY GOING TO BE AFFECTED BY REGIONAL SITUATION. 16 WOULD BUT TAKE A LOOK AT HOW THE COUNTY IS DEVELOPING IN THAT PARTICULAR AREA RIGHT NOW AND WHAT'S GOING TO BE GOING IN THERE. I THINK WHEN WE START TO PUT THE MAGNITUDE OF HOMES THEN THAT PARTICULAR PART IN THE FUTURE THOSE PEOPLE HAVE TO GO SHOP SOMEWHERE. IF THEY DON'T SHOP HERE THEY'RE GOING TO THE NEW BRIDGE. THEY'RE GOING SHOP IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY. THEY'RE GOING TO DRIVE TO ST. JOHN'S JACKSONVILLE WHATEVER TO DO THAT TYPE OF SHOPPING. WHERE IF WE HAVE A SITUATION HERE THIS COULD BE THE START OF BRINGING IN MAYBE SOME BIG BOX AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE TO KEEP THE BUSINESS AND THE TAX DOLLARS IN CLAY. SO I'M NOT OPPOSED TO THAT AT ALL. >> OK. EXCELLENT POINT. ANY OTHER THOUGHTS? COMMENTS? OK. SEEING NONE. >> I'LL MAKE A MOTION THE APPROVE. >> OK. WE HAVE A FIRST. >> I'LL SECOND THAT >> WE'RE SECOND. WE'RE IN DISCUSSION. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION. HEARING NONE ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED SAME SIGN. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE TO AGENDA [4.  Public Hearing to consider CPA 2020-02 B amend timing of LA IVC construction] ITEM NUMBER FOUR AND WE'VE GOT THE PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER C.P.A. 2020 -- 0-2 A TIMING OF CONSTRUCTION AND CAROLYN DO YOU HAVE THIS ONE AS WELL? >> I DO. I GUESS MAYBE I'VE MISLABELED IT. SO DON'T PAY ATTENTION THERE. >> THIS ITEM WILL BE HEARD BY THE BCC ON OCTOBER 13TH. >> WELL THAT'S OUR INTENTION TO TRY TO BRING IT AS LOW AN QUICKLY AS WE CAN. IT DEPENDS ON THE STATE RETURNING THEIR COMMENTS AND THE TIMELY WAY TO ADVERTISE IT. >> SO THIS IS AN APPLICATION BY YOUNG DEVELOPMENT SERVICES ALMOST L.C. AN MS. FRASER IS THE CONSULTANT ON THIS. THE PROPOSED REVISION TO THE LAKE ASBURY I.V. C IS TO SPECIFY CERTAIN USES TO BE PERMITTED. THAT'S WHAT WE JUST TALKED ABOUT. >> CAROLYN THIS IS THE BUN THAT JUST. >> THAT'S THE ONE WE JUST DID. >> RIGHT. THE ONE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NOW IS THE ONE THAT REALLY JUST CHANGES THE TIMELINE. >> I'M SORRY. SO I CALLED THEM ALL A WHAT CAN I SAY? SUSAN EARNS A'S ALL THE TIME. >> SO ANYWAY THIS ONE IS TO SPECIFY THAT CERTAIN USES CAN BE PERMITTED IN THE L.A. VILLAGE CENTER. ESSENTIALLY STARTING NOW AS COMPARED TO WAITING UNTIL THE FREEWAY IS OPEN AND OPEN TO TRAFFIC AND COMPLETELY DONE. [01:00:03] SO THAT PROVISION WAS PUT IN A GOOD WHILE AGO BEFORE WE HAD TIMING FOR THE FREEWAY AND AT THIS POINT WE KNOW IT'S UNDER CONSTRUCTION. WE KNOW IT WILL OPEN IN A THE PROPERTY OWNERS ARE READY TO TRY AND BRING THINGS TO MARKET SO THAT THEY WILL BE THERE WHEN THE FREEWAY OPENS. WE'VE REVIEWED THE APPLICATION. THIS ONE IS TIED TO THE LAND USE AMENDMENT THAT WE HAVE SENT OFF TO TALLAHASSEE FOR THEIR REVIEW. AND SO THAT'S WHY THIS ONE HAS GOT THE OCTOBER DATE. WE'RE HOPEFUL THAT TALLAHASSEE WILL GET IT'S ANSWERS TOGETHER AND SEND IT IN TIME FOR US TO ADVERTISE IT FOR THE MIDDLE MEETING BUT IF THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN IT WILL BE THE LAST MEETING OF THE MONTH BEFORE THE BCC. >> DO WE NEED TO HEAR THIS AGAIN THEN? NO. WE DON'T NEED TO HEAR THIS AGAIN. >> SO WHAT WE DID IT WAS ONE AMENDMENT APPLICATION TO BEGIN WITH. WE'VE SEPARATED IT INTO A AND B SO THAT WE DON'T GET AHEAD OF OURSELVES IN TERMS OF THE STATE REVIEW TRYING TO ADOPT THIS NOW BUT THE OTHER ISSUES ABOUT THE USES SAME YOU COULD HAVE THAT WASN'T A CHANGE TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN LANGUAGE SO THAT ONE CAN GO FORWARD RIGHT AWAY WHERE AS THIS ONE IS GOING TO HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL WE GET THOSE STATE COMMENTS. IF THAT'S AS CLEAR AS MUD. OK GOOD. SO THE PERMITTED USES THAT YOU HAVE ARE THE REGIONAL SCALE USES WHICH INCLUDE I GIVE UP ON THIS. NEVER MIND >> WE GOT IT. >> YOU'RE DOING A GREAT JOB. >> WE GOT IT. >> THERE'S ACTUALLY A 2020 -- 0-2 B IN THE PACKET. >> YES. >> IT STRIKES THE LANGUAGE OF THE TIMING. >> WELL PRESUME BY I THOUGHT I HAD WRITTEN. >> YEAH SO THIS STRIKES THAT UNTIL THE INTERCHANGE WITH THE FIRST COAST EXPRESSWAY IS CONSTRUCTED AND OPEN TO TRAFFIC NO DEVELOPMENT OTHER THAN OFFICE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL SHALL BE PERMITTED. SO WE'RE STRIKING THAT PARAGRAPH. AND THEY CAN GO FOR IT. >> ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? >> ALL RIGHT AT THIS TIME I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THE APPLICANT IF YOU'D LOOK TO COME BACK UP AND CLARIFY ANYTHING IN THAT ONE SENTENCE THAT WE'RE ASKING. >> YOU HEARD THIS LAST MONTH. THIS JUST BRINGS IT INTO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS. SO I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE. SUSAN FRAZIER. >> THANK YOU. AT THIS TIME WE ARE GOING TO OPEN OUR PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS AGENDA ITEM. DO WE HAVE ANYBODY HERE IN THE GROUP? NOBODY IS APPROACHING. DO WE VERY ANYBODY ON THE INTERNET. >> MR. OTTO. >> MR. OTTO YOU HAVE 3 MINUTES. CAN YOU HEAR ME? MR. OTTO? >> YES, SIR. I CAN HEAR YOU. >> OK. GO AHEAD. >> JAMES OTTO L.A. NDMA N.D. ONE AT GMAIL.COM. YES, SIR. I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE A WHOLE FOODS IN THERE. I DON'T WANT TO GET TOO FAR OFF TOPIC SO I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT. THANK YOU, SIR. >> THANK YOU MR. OTTO. >> ALL RIGHT. WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT AT THIS POINT AND BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMISSION FOR DISCUSSION. >> I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE. >> I'LL SECOND. >> WE HAVE A FIRST AND A SECOND. WE'RE IN DISCUSSION. >> JUST ONE QUICK COMMENT. >> PLEASE. >> I MEAN THIS WAS VERY GOOD LANGUAGE WHEN IT WAS PUT IN BECAUSE IT WAS PUT THERE SPECIFICALLY TO MAKE SURE THE DEVELOPMENT DIDN'T HAPPEN OR HAPPEN AND THEN THE ROAD NEVER HAPPENED. BUT THE ROAD IS FAR ENOUGH ALONG NOW THAT IT'S COMING IN. SO IT WAS A SAFETY VALVE AND IT NEEDED TO BE THERE ORIGINALLY. >> EXCELLENT. GOOD CLARIFICATION. NICK, CAN WE MAKE SURE WE GOT IT MIGHT. WE'RE GETTING BACKGROUND NOISE. THANK YOU. >> WE HAVE A FIRST AND A SECOND. WE'RE IN DISCUSSION. IS THERE ANY FURTHER COMMENTS OR DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED SAME SIGN. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. 2 FOR 2 MS. FRAZIER. THAT'S A GOOD NIGHT. >> SO LET'S CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD. WE'VE GOT AN AGENDA ITEM OLD [1.  Mobility Fee Workshop] BUSINESS MOBILITY FEE WORKSHOP. >> WHILE NICK IS SETTING HER UP WE HAVE JEANNETTE BURKE. [01:05:15] SHE'S GOING TO RUN THE POWER POINT AND GIVE THE PRESENTATION. SO HE'S SETTING HER UP BEFORE HE STARTS THOUGH. WE'VE GOT IT. SHE'S GOING TO KIND OF RUN THE PRESENTATION. WE'RE NOT GOING TO START AND INTRODUCE THE CONCEPT OF THE MOBILITY PLAN. AGAIN WHEN CONCURRENCE SAY WAS DELETED AND WE SAW THE CHANGES TO CHANGE THE DATE I THINK LAST MONTH THAT GANNETT FLEMING THEY'RE WORKING THE MOBILITY PLAN AND DEVELOPING A MOBILITY FEE. WHEN YOU'RE PROBABLY ASKING WELL WHAT'S AFTER THE PLANNING COMMISSION BECAUSE THE PLANNING COMMISSION DOES NOT REVIEW OR APPROVE THE MOBILITY FEE. THAT IS RESPONSIBILITY OF THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS BUT YOU WILL HAVE TO APPROVE THE PLAN AMENDMENTS THAT WILL BRING THE MOBILITY WITHIN THE PLAN. BY FLORIDA LAW THE MOBILITY FEE HAS TO BE PART OF THE PLAN. YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR TONIGHT MAYBE THEY'LL BE A LITTLE TOO MUCH INFORMATION. YOU SHE MIGHT GET MORE IN THE WEEDS THAN SHE NEEDS BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT IF YOU'RE GOING TO APPROVE THIS TO KNOW WHAT YOU'RE >> APPROVING. WHAT DOES A MOBILITY PLAN TO DO? AND WHAT ARE WE DEVELOPING WHEN WE DEVELOP A MOBILITY FEE. SO JEANNETTE WOULD YOU LIKE TO SAY HEY TOE THE GROUP. >> YES. HEY THERE -- I'M WORKING ON THIS MOB GUILTY STUDY VERY EXCITED ABOUT IT. ED, DO YOU WANT ME TO TAKE PRETTY HERE OR DO YOU WANT TO GO OVER SOME OF THE INITIAL SLIDES. >> JUST GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. AGAIN I'M GOING TO TAKE THIS PART JEANNETTE AND THEN I'M GOING TO HAND IT OVER TO YOU. AGAIN THE BACKGROUND REVIEW AND DATA NEEDS. THERE'S A LOT OF DATA AND YOU'D BE SHOCKED HOW MUCH GOES INTO THE FEE. WE'VE BEEN PROVIDING THE KOJS SULT ABOUT THE WITH INFORMATION. I WOULD LIKE TO THANK STAFF AND ENGINEERING AND DEAL SMITH FOR WORKING WITH US. AS PART -- OF THE CONTRACT WE REQUIRE THE REACHING OUT TO SEE IF THEY'RE INTERESTED BECAUSE HOPEFULLY WE CAN COORDINATE BECAUSE CLAY COUNTY IMPACTS ROADS IN THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT. GO UP MEANT WITHIN THERE IMPACTS OUR ROADS. I THINK GREEN COE WAS CONSIDERING IT. ORANGE PARK IS STILL LOOKING. JUST TO ENCOURAGE THAT WE CERTAINLY DIDN'T REQUIRE THAT THE CITIES JOIN IN BUT IT WOULD BE NICE TO GIVE THEM THE OPPORTUNITY. WE'VE HAD ANOTHER A NUMBER OF MEETINGS AN PRESS SEPTEMBER TAKE SHINS ALREADY. BOTH WITH STAFF HERE AND WITH WHAT WE CALL OUR STAKEHOLDERS GROUP. THE STAKEHOLDERS AGAIN JEANNETTE HAS IT OVER THERE. CONSISTS OF DEVELOPERS OF AGENCY GROUPS AND CONSULTANTS. BECAUSE THE LAST THING WE WANT TO SEE NEXT MONTHS WHEN IT COMES BEFORE THE BOARD IS FOR THE DEVELOPERS TO SAY WE DIDN'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT IT. SO WE'RE TRYING TO GET THE DEVELOPERS INVOLVED. THEY MIGHT NOT AGREE WITH IT. IN FACT I'M PRETTY SURE THEY WON'T BUT THEY'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN DEVELOPING IT. THEY KNOW WHAT THE PROCESS IS. THEY KNOW WHAT WE'RE DOING >> WE'RE TRYING TO BRING RESIDENTS IN BUT WE ARE TAKING OUT THE PUBLIC WORKSHOP BECAUSE WE DON'T THINK WE CAN GET THE PUBLIC TO PARTICIPATE IN THIS IN THE AGE OF COVID. HOPEFULLY THE PUBLIC WILL ME ABOUT IT THROUGH THIS WORKSHOP. I THINK THERE'S ONE MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC LISTENING IN TONIGHT. AT LEAST HE'S PARTICIPATING BUT THIS IS NOT A PUBLIC HEARING SO WE DO NOT HAVE TO OPEN IT UP TO PUBLIC COMMENTS TONIGHT. AGAIN THIS IS THE SEPTEMBER 1ST MEETING. WE HAVE THE BOARD WORKSHOP NEXT WEEK. SO IF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN WATCHING OR ATTENDING THAT'S THERE. AND THEN WE HAVE THE PLANNING PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE NEXT MONTH. AND AGAIN WHAT YOU'LL BE DOING NEXT MONTH IS ADOPTING COMP PLAN AMENDMENTS TO GO INTO THE COMP PLAN TO GET THE MOBILITY PLAN ADOPTED WITHIN THE COME PLAN. JEANNETTE, THAT'S ALL YOU. >> THANK YOU, ED. SO YEAH. WHAT ED SAID WE'VE BEEN GETTING A LOT OF DATA FROM CLAY COUNTY STAFF AND BEEN ANALYZING THAT DATA. WE WORKED WITH ROADWAY STANDARDS AND THE NORTHEAST FLORIDA REGIONAL PLANNING MODEL IS MODELED AFTER NORTHEAST FLORIDA TRANSPORTATION PLANNING ORGANIZATION HAS DEVELOPED. AND THAT'S WHAT'S BEING USED TO ANALYZE THE ROADWAY NETWORK AND WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT THE LAND USE DEVELOPMENT ANALYSIS. WE HAVE A LAND USE EXPERT LOOKING AT THE DIFFERENT LAND USE PLAN THE COME PLAN. BECAUSE THIS IS GOING TO BE MULTI MODEL MOBILITY FEE STUDY WE WANT TO INCLUDE ALL THE DIFFERENT MODES. [01:10:02] THESE ARE THE STEPS THAT WE'RE UNDER TAKING. DEVELOPING THE MOBILITY FEE DISTRICTS ANALYZING THE NETWORK. IDENTIFYING STANDARDS AND SERVICE OF IMPROVEMENT AND THEN CALCULATING THE BASE MOBILITY FEE AND THEN AT FINAL END WOULD BE THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE CREDITS. SO THESE ARE THE MOBILITY FEES WE WORKED VERY CLOSELY WITH THE STAFF TO DEVELOP THESE AND THE STAKEHOLDERS. SO WE'VE GOT THESE DISTRICTS FOOD AT THIS POINT THAT WE'RE GOING TO ANIMAL LOSE FOR MOBILITY FEE STUDIES. SO THERE'S 6 DISTRICTS THAT WERE DEVELOPED. AND THEN AS I SAID WE USE THE NORTHEAST FLORIDA REASONABLING NALL PLANNING MODEL. IT HAS 2 YEARS THE 2015 BASE YEAR AND RISE IN YEARS 2045. WHAT WE DO WE RUN THE MODEL. WE GET THE CONGESTION ON THE NETWORK. WE GET THE VEHICLE MILES TRAVELED. THAT'S AN IMPORTANT INPUT INTO THE MOBILITY FEE STUDY AND WE GET THAT ALL FROM THIS PARTICULAR MODEL THAT WE HAVE DIVIDED UP IN ALL THESE DIFFERENT DISTRICTS. SO WE KNOW WHAT THE VEHICLE MILES TRAVELED ARE WITHIN ALL THESE DISTRICTS. SO THIS TABLE ALL THESE NUMBERS ARE PRELIMINARY. WE'VE JUST BEEN RUNNING SOME TEST RUNS. BUT I WANTED TO GET YOU THROUGH THE PROCESS. ED WANTED US TO DISCUSS THE PROCESS AS A WHOLE. SO THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SEEING HERE IS THE CALCULATIONS OF THE VEHICLE MILES TRAVELED IN THE BASE YEAR WHICH IS 2015 AND THE VEHICLE MILES TRAVELED IN THE YEAR 2045. NOW WHEN WE LOOK AT THE VEHICLE MILES TRAVELED WE ONLY LOOK AT THE VEHICLE MILES TRAVELED ON THE COUNTY ROAD BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THE MOB GUILTY FEE FUNDS WILL BE SPENT. SO WE SUBTRACTED STATE ROAD B M.T. IN THIS TABLE AND AS YOU CAN SEE THIS NUMBER RIGHT HERE IT'S PRELIMINARY BUT WE HAVE 1 MILLION 80019 VEHICLE MILES TRAVELED ON THE COUNTY ROAD DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE YEAR 2015 AND THE YEAR 200045 -- AND THAT NUMBER IS USED IN THE CALCULATION AS YOU WILL SEE IN THE FOLLOWING SLIDE. SO THEN WE TAKE THE LIST OF PROJECTS. WE ALSO WORK VERY CLOSELY WITH THE COUNTY STAFF TO COME UP WITH THIS LIST OF PROJECTS AND A TOTAL COST. THIS LIST JUST CHANGED SO THE COSTS IN THIS LIST ARE CORRECT BUT IN THE FOLLOWING SLIDE WE'LL BE UPDATING ALL THESE NUMBERS. BUT SO THIS GIVES YOU AN IDEA OF ALL THE ROADWAY PROJECTS WE'RE INCLUDING. AND THEN WE'RE LOOKING AT MULTI MODEL PROJECTS. SOME WE WILL HAVE ADDITIONAL ONES BUT THY ARE THESE ARE THE ONES WHICH GOT FROM THE COUNTY UP TO THIS POINT AND THEN WE ADDED THOSE COSTS TOGETHER OF ALL THESE DIFFERENT PROJECTS. NOR CONCEPT THAT WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING WITH THE STAFF IS A TRANSIT MOBILITY HUB WHICH WOULD BE KIND OF LIKE A CENTER SPOT SOMEWHERE IN THE COUNTY AND WE'RE JUST PUTTING THIS PRICE TAG ON HERE VERY PRELIMINARY JUST TO PUT SOME MONEY ASIDE. THE IDEA IS TO CREATE A MOBILITY HUB WHERE DIFFERENT MODES COME TOGETHER AND PEOPLE CAN TRAVEL THERE AND THEN MAYBE TRAVEL WITH A DIFFERENT MODE TO THEIR FINAL DESTINATION. SO THE IDEA IS TO IDENTIFY CERTAIN LOCATIONS WITHIN THE COUNTY FOR THESE MOBILITY HUBS TO ACCOMMODATE MULTI MODEL TRAVEL. SO THEN WE TAKE THESE VEHICLE MILES TRAVELED. WE TAKE THE TOTAL COST AND THEN THE COST FOR B.M.T. IS CALCULATED. RIGHT NOW IT IT EASE $211. THAT IS GOING TO THE CHANGE. ALL THESE NUMBERS ARE PRELIMINARY BUT IT GIVES YOU OF AN IDEA. WE HAVE THE V.M. THE AND COST OF PROJECTS. AND THEN WE CALCULATE THE VEHICLE MILES TRAVELED PIECE. SO THESE ARE ALL THE DIFFERENT INPUTS TO THE CALCULATION OF THE MOBILITY FEE. I'M NOT GOING TO GO INTO THE WEEDS AS ED SAID. I THINK I ALREADY DID BUT THESE ARE THE ELEMENTS THAT GO INTO THAT CALCULATION SHIN TO COME UP WITH THE MOB GUILTY FEE. AND ONCE WE HAVE THE FEE WE'LL WORK ON THE CREDITS WHERE THE STAFF TO COULDN'T UP WITH THE FINAL FEE. SO THAT'S VERY QUICK OVERVIEW OF THE PROCESS AND I'LL BE HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE ANY. >> CAN YOU HEAR ME JEANNETTE. >> YEAH I CAN. >> THIS IS RALPH. CAN YOU GO BACK ONE SLIDE. I WOULDN'T MIND IF YOU JUST TOOK A FEW MINUTES AND WENT THROUGH THIS CALCULATION A LITTLE BIT. BECAUSE IT SEEMS TO BE THE ESSENCE OF IT. RIGHT WE'LL DO THE VEHICLES MILES TRAVEL. THAT'S ALL DONE BY DISTRICT. THIS EXAMPLE JUST SHOWS ONE CALCULATION BUT FOR EACH DISTRICT WE WOULD COME UP WITH A [01:15:01] FEE. BASED ON THE VEHICLE MILES RAV TRAVELED IN THAT DISTRICT. AND THEN WE TAKE THE TRIP RATE FROM THE 10TH EDITION OF THE MANUAL AND SO THAT'S NOT RELATED TO THE MODEL. AND THEN DEPENDING ON THE LAND USE WE WOULD CALCULATE THE TRIPS ASSOCIATED WITH THE DIFFERENT LAND USES. AND THEN WE CALCULATE THE TRIP LENGTH BY TRAVEL MODE. WE CAN DO THIS IN DIFFERENT WAYS DEPENDING AS WE USE THE CAR LENGTH OF THE PERSON TRIP LENGTH. SO WE HAVE THIS OPTION BECAUSE WE HAVE A MOBILITY FEE THAT'S MULTI MODEL WE COULD LOOK AT PERSON TRIPS OVER LOOK AT STILL LOOK AT VEHICLE TRIPS. WE HAVE THAT FLEXIBILITY AND WE'RE STILL LOOKING AT BOTH AND WILL BE DECIDING WHICH ONE WOULD WORK BEST FOR CLAY COUNTY. BUT THEN FOR EACH OF THESE DISTRICTS WE'LL ALSO HAVE THE TRIP LENGTH. WHAT IS THE AVERAGE TRIP LENGTH IN THOSE DISTRICTS. THAT TRIP LENGTH IS PART OF THE CALCULATION. AND THEN WE CALCULATE NEW TRIPS BASED ON THAT LAND USE THAT WILL BE ADDED IN THAT PARTICULAR DISTRICT. AND THAT PERCENTAGE OF NEW TRIPS WOULD BE BASED ON THE LAND USE BECAUSE SOME LANDS USE PASSER BYS AND OTHERS DO NOT. ALL THAT COMES INTO THE CALCULATION. AND THEN WE HAVE THE COUNTY ROAD FACTOR WHICH IS THE % OF THE TRIPS FORECASTED TO USE THE COUNTY FACILITIES. SO THAT'S WHERE THAT PREVIOUS SLIDE CAME IN VERSUS THE STATE ROAD FACILITIES. AND THEN THERE'S THIS ADJUSTMENT FOR DOUBLE COUNTING. BECAUSE IF A TRIP STARTS AND ENDS WITHIN THE SAME DISTRICT WE DON'T WANT TO COUNT THAT TRIP TWICE. SO IF THAT'S THE CASE WE TAKE HALF OF THE TRIP BECAUSE WE ONLY MEASURE ONE TRIP IN ONE DIRECTION. AND THEN WE MULTIPLY ALL THESE FACTORS TO COME UP WITH THE FINAL MOBILITY FEE BASE FEE WHICH THEN WE SUBTRACT THE CREDITS FROM. IS THAT? GOOD. >> SO IS THIS FEE GET APPLIED LOOK TO EACH HOUSE THAT'S BUILT? SO EVERY HOUSE IN THE SAME DISTRICT WOULD END UP WITH THE SAME MOBILITY FEE? OR DOES THE TRAVEL MODE COME INTO AFFECT? IN OTHER WORDS IS SOMEONE THAT LIVES IN AN APARTMENT DIFFERENT THAN A HOUSE? >> I'LL ANSWER THAT JEANNETTE. THAT WOULD BE DONE THROUGH THE 10TH EDITION OF THE I.T. TRIP RATE. DEPARTMENTS HAVE LESS OF A GENERATION OF A HOUSE SO THE FEE WOULD ADJUST BASED ON THAT. YOU WOULD HAVE A LOWER MOBILITY FOR A HOUSE. >> IF WE LOOKED AT SPECIFIC ROADWAYS WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS AS AN AREA OF THE COUNTY AND EVERYBODY IN THAT AREA. >> THAT'S WHAT THE PROPOSAL IS BECAUSE SOME AREAS OF THE COUNTY AREN'T GROWING AS FAST AND DON'T REQUIRE THE INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS THAT OTHER AREAS NEED. >> I WANTED TO BE CHEER. WHEN WE DID CONCURRENCE SAY WE LOOKED AT PARTICULAR ROAD SEGMENTS AND NOW WE'RE LOOKING AT THE DIFFERENT AREAS OF THE COUNTY. >> THE IMPACT FEE HE'S 2 DISTRICTS. THIS IS GOING TO HAVE 6. THIS ONE IS GOING DISTINGUISH. YOU'RE IN A DIFFERENT DISTRICT YOU'LL PAY A DIFFERENT FEE. GROWTH INDICATES THERE'S GOING TO BE MORE INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS IN SOME PARTS OF THE COUNTY THAN OTHERS. THEY SHOULD BE RESPONSIBLE. THESE NUMBERS ARE PRELIMINARY AND WE WORK WITH THE CONSULTANT TO DEVELOP THESE. ONE QUESTION TO. MARY HAD A QUESTION ABOUT WHAT IS THE DIFFERENT BETWEEN MOBILITY AND IMPACT FEE. IMPACT FEE WE HAVE ADOPTED AN IMPACT FEE. IT ONLY PAYS FOR ROADWAY IMPROVEMENTS. THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT IT CAN BE USED FOR. THE GROWTH WILL CAUSE NEW ROADS. THIS WILL PAY FOR TRANSIT HUB PERHAPS. THE BOOK PATHS PEDESTRIAN PATHS. THAT'S WHY IT'S CALLED MOBILITY FEE. IT LOOKS FOR MORE THAN THE SINGLE OR PABS SAY. IT LOOKS FOR OTHER MODES. IT'S EXPECTED THAT WE'LL BE ABLE TO SUPPORT MORE THAN JUST ROADS. WE CAN'T BUILD OUR WAY OUT. WE HAVE TO PROVIDE MULTIDAY. >> THE FEE APPLIES TO BOTH RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL? >> CORRECT. >> IT TAKES THE PLACE OF THE IMPACT FEE? >> CORRECT. >> IT'S NOT ON TOP OF THE IMPACT FEE. >> IT'S NOT ON TOP. >> IT REPLACEES THE MOB GUILTY -- IMPACT FEE. THANK YOU FOR MAKING THAT CLEAR. >> YOU GET THE DIFFERENCE MAINLY THROUGH THE PROJECTED GROWTH IN THE V.M. [01:20:03] THE FEE THAT'S THE GROWTH EXPECTED IN EACH AREA AND ALSO THE TRIP LENGTH WHICH WOULD VARY I GUESS BY THE ZONE THEY'RE IN. THOSE ARE THE 2 THINGS THAT ARE REALLY GOING TO MAKE THE DIFFERENCE? >> THAT'S RIGHT. >> JEANNETTE IF YOU WANT TO ADD ANYTHING I PROBABLY WOULD LET YOU ADD ANYTHING IF YOU LIKE? >> NO. NO. THAT'S RIGHT. WE ARE STILL RECALCULATING AND RESUMMARIZING SO WE'RE AT THE BEGINNING. WE HAVE EVERYTHING SET UP SO WE DID SOME INITIAL RUNS AND CAME UP WITH SOME COUNTY WIDE NUMBERS. JUST TO WORK THROUGH THE PROCESS. BUT WE'RE GOING TO DO IT NOW IN A DISTRICT LEVEL AND SEE HOW THAT PANS OUT. >> I BELIEVE THERE'S A QUESTION FROM COMMISSIONER. >> YEAH. IN A PREVIOUS SLIDE I THOUGHT AT THE BOTTOM IT SAID THERE WAS A NUMBER OF 20011. I'M ASSUMING THAT THAT'S THE AVERAGE FEE BASED. >> WELL I'LL LET JEANNETTE ANSWERS. THAT'S THE FEE BASED ON ONE VEHICLE. IF YOU LOOK AT THE FORMULA THAT'S THE FIRST VARIABLE THAT ALL THESE OTHER VARIABLS ARE ADDED. I THINK RALPH SUMMARIZED IT WELL. YOUR TRIP GENERATION RATE AND YOUR MILES THE MILES THAT ARE TRAVELED BY THAT ARE THE 2 VASHLS THAT ARE AFFECTED THE MOST. >> SO ALL THESE NUMBERS IS THIS PART OF BECAUSE I WANT TO UNDERSTAND THIS A LITTLE BETTER AS WELL. DOES THIS COME OUT OF THE TAX PACE. ANYTIME SOMEONE COMES IN FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION THEY'RE REQUIRED TO PAY THE MOBILITY. LIKE NOW THEY'RE REQUIRED TO PAY THE IMPACT FEE. THEN THEY WILL PAY THE MOBILITY FEE. >> I LIKE COMMISSIONER'S IDEA. BRING ANOTHER TAX BASE GREAT IDEA. I'M JUST GOING TO PUT THAT OUT THERE. THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. >> I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE THE NUMBERS ARE GOING TO COME FROM. >> WHEN SHE WAS TALKING ABOUT THE CREDITS IF YOU PAY TAXES THT GO INTO ROADWAY IMPROVEMENTS THAT'S GET DETECTED. >> THAT'S WHY WE'RE GOING TO DO AWAY WITH THE IMPACT FEE. >> WHY BECAUSE WHEN THE BOARD ADOPTED THE NEW IMPACT FEES THEY GOT RID OF CONCURRENCE SAY. THE FLORIDA STATE STATUTE SAYS IF YOU GET RID OF CONCURRENCE SAY YOU ARE STRONGLY ENCOURAGED TO ADOPT A MOBILITY FEE. >> WHAT CAN THIS BE USED FOR IN ADDITION TO JUST ROADS? I KNOW IMPACT FEE WAS ROADS. >> TRANSIT. >> ANYTHING IN TRANSIT? >> WE DON'T THINK OPERATIONS. THAT'S WHY WE TALKED MOBILITY HUBS. PERHAPS THE ACQUISITION OF CAPITAL. LET'S SAY GROWTH REQUIRES A NEW TRANSIT SYSTEM WHERE THEY NEED NEW BUSES BUT NOT OPERATING COSTS. >> YOU I DON'T COULD BUILD THE TRANSIT HUB WITH THIS. >> WE GOT A PIECE OF PROPERTY FOR THAT ALREADY. >> WELL WE DO. WE HOPE SOMETHING IS MORE SUCCESSFUL BECAUSE WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS WORK WITH J.T. A TO CONSULT A HUB SYSTEM SPOKE SYSTEM. BECAUSE AGAIN WE THINK OF CLAY COUNTY AS WHAT WE ARE NOW BUT IN 25 YEARS WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE LIKE WHAT WE ARE NOW. IT WOULD BE GOOD TO HAVE A TRANSIT HUB TO ACCOMMODATE NEW GROWTH. WE KNOW THE BICYCLE LANES ARE ESTABLISHED BUT OUR SEPARATE BICYCLE PATHS. LIKE ASBURY THERE'S A REAL EMPHASIS ON BOOK AND PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIONS BUT THERE'S NO IMPETUS TO PAY FOR THAT. THIS WILL PAY FOR A WALKABLE COMMUNITY. SO SEPARATE BOOKING PATHS THAN THE RIGHT-OF-WAY OF THE ROAD. >> AND THE OTHER POINT TOO IS THIS REPLACES CONCURRENCE SAY AND IMPACT FEE FOR THE COUNTY BUT THE SCHOOL BOARD STILL HAS THEIR IMPACT FEE. >> CORRECT. >> THEY'RE NOT GIVING THAT UP. >> THAT'S GOOD CLARITY. >> ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? >> I HAVE ONE COMMENT. THANK YOU FOR KIND OF EXPLAINING THE TRANSIT PIECE. SO THESE ARE THE VARIOUS CATEGORIES? I FIND IT INTERESTING THAT THE TRANSIT PIECE IS 2.6% AND BOOK AND BED IS 3.8%. SO I THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION. YOU CAN'T MAINTAIN BUS SYSTEMS WITH THAT. IT JUST SEEMS OUT OF WHACK. IT SEEMS LIKE I WOULD THINK THAT WE WOULD BE INVESTING MORE HEAVILY IN TRANSIT THAN WE WOULD IN BOOK AND PEDESTRIAN. >> AGAIN THESE ARE PRELIMINARY AND IT'S PLACE HOLDER BUT IT HAS TO DO WITH WE HAVE A VERY EXTENSIVE BOOK AND BED PATH PLANNED. -- PEDESTRIAN PATH PLANNED. BUT YOU'RE THINKING NOW IT MAKES MORE ATTRACTION BUT IF WE CAN DEVELOP A COUNTY THE RIGHT AWAY WHERE WE HAVE EMPLOYMENT AND RESIDENTIAL CLOSE TO EACH OTHER [01:25:01] THEN MAYBE BOOKS AND PEDESTRIAN WOULD BE BETTER TO SERVE. >> CAN YOU GO BACK ONE MORE. GO FORWARD. I'M SORRY I WANTED TO SEE THIS CHART. IS THIS THE SAME LIST OF PROJECTS THAT'S BEEN APPROVED THAT I'VE HEARD LIKE COUNTY MANAGER TALK ABOUT AND SO ON? I MEAN A LOT OF THEM LOOK LIKE THE SAME THING. >> COUNTY MANAGER PROBABLY TALK ABOUT THE BONDING PROGRAM. >> YES. >> AND SOME OF THESE ARE BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY IF WE'RE GOING TO BOND WE CAN PAY OFF A BOND WITH IMPACT FEES COLLECTED OR IF YOU HAVE FOR INSTANCE WE'RE TALKING TO DEVELOPER ON SAND RIDGE THEN IF IT'S ON THIS LIST THEY GET CREDITED. THEY DON'T HAVE TO PAY A MOBILITY FEE FOR THAT PORTION THEY CONSTRUCT THEMSELVES. THERE'S A LOT MORE THAN JUST BONDING PROJECTS ON THAT LIST. >> THIS LIST OF PROJECTS AND THE ONE ON THE FOLLOWING SIDE. THAT LIST WAS PROVIDED BY THE COUNTY TO THE CONSULTANT. THEY DIDN'T COME UP WITH THIS. >> RIGHT. >> WE SAID HERE'S THE PROJECTS ON THE BOOKS THAT WE NEED TO FUND. >> CORRECT. >> THAT MIGHT EXPLAIN THE NUMBERS A LITTLE, BILL. >> DID I UNDERSTAND YOU SAY IMPACT FEES COULD PAY FOR BONDS? >> YOU CAN'T BOND AGAINST IMPACT FEES BUT YOU CAN PAY OFF MONEY YOU COLLECT. YOU CAN'T BOND AGAINST THEM. PEOPLE THINK. >> I HAVE A QUESTION. THIS LIST THAT YOU HAVE HERE IS THAT INCLUSIVE OF WHAT YOU HAVE IN THE LONG-RANGE TRANSPORTATION PLAN? >> THAT LIST IS DEVELOPED IN COOPERATION WITH THE BICYCLE COMMITTEE THE BOOK PATHS. >> I'M TALKING ABOUT THE ROADS. >> THE NEXT LIST. >> THAT IS CONSISTENT. THAT IS ACTUALLY BESIDES A FEW OF THEM ARE DIFFERENT. LIKE JEANNETTE SAID THAT'S BEEN MODIFIED BUT THAT'S THE LIST THAT WAS USED BY THE BOARD TO GENERATE THE IMPACT FEE. SO IT'S CONSISTENT WITH WHAT THEY USED. WE ADD MORE PROJECTS BECAUSE THAT LIST THAT WE DO TO DO THE IMPACT FEE WAS THE BASIS FOR HOW THE BOARD DECIDED WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO BOND AND THEY PROBABLY FOLLOWED IT CLOSELY BUT OBVIOUSLY THERE'S MORE IMPROVEMENTS. THE LIST GOES OUT 22045. THERE'S MORE PROJECTS ON THERE. THIS IS CONSISTENT OTHER THAN WE ADDED 4 OR 5 MORE PROJECTS. >> THOSE PROJECTS ARE ALSO TIED TO THE PROJECTED GROWTH RIGHT? >> THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THEY ARE. >> THIS MOBILITY FEE IS NOTHING MORE THAN AN ALL GO RHYTHM THAT IS TIED TO THE GROWTH. >> YES. THE PURPOSE OF MOB GUILTY IS TO PAY FOR GROWTH. NOT TO PAY FOR EXISTING DEFICIENCIES BUT TO PAY FOR THE IMPACT FROM GROWTH. >> WHILE WE'RE ON THIS SLIDE AT THE BOTTOM IT'S GOT 3 DEVELOPER FUNDED ITEMS DOWN THERE. I MEAN WE'RE NOT GOING COLLECT A MOBILITY FEE AND THEN PAY FOR A DEVELOPER FUNDED BUT IS THIS WHERE THE CREDITS MIGHT COME IN. >> THAT'S EXACTLY WHERE THE CREDITS COME IN. >> THEY BUILD SOMETHING AND THEN THEY GET A CREDIT. IT MASS TO BE CALCULATED IN THE TOTAL BUT LOOK FOR INSTANCE GOVERNOR'S PARK HAS TO DO THE GREEN COAST SPRINGS BYPASS. IF WE DON'T INCLUDE THAT THEN THEY WON'T GET MOBILITY FEE CREDIT. THEY'RE GOING TO BUILD A ROAD ON THE COUNTY HIGHWAY SYSTEM. SO THAT'S WHAT IT IS. >> WILL BE GETTING COPIES OF THESE SPREADSHEETS? >> IF YOU WANT. WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO BE ACTING BUT I THINK THEY'LL BE A REPORT THAT WILL BE WHAT IS GOING TO BE PRESENTED WHICH WILL INCLUDE ALL THESE SPREADSHEETS. >> CAROLYN DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING YOU WANTED TO ADD? . >> IN] -- MICROPHONE. >>. >> THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? JEANNETTE THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME THIS EVENING. EXCELLENT PRESENTATION. I'M SURE WE'LL HAVE MORE QUESTIONS TO FOLLOW. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE OPPORTUNITY. APPRECIATE IT. >> ALL RIGHT. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE INTO OUR [Public Comment] LAST PUBLIC COMMENT. WE'RE GOING TO OPEN THAT PUBLIC COMMENT NOW. THIS PUBLIC COMMENT IS OPEN TO ANY EIGHT TESTIMONY YOU'D LOOK TO DISCUSS FOR 3 MINUTES. -- ITEM. DO WE HAVE ANYBODY. >> YES, SIR CAN YOU HEAR ME. >> YES MR. OTTO. YOU HAVE 3 MINUTES. PLEASE CONTINUE. >> YES, SIR. MS. FRASER SEEMS TO ALWAYS HAVE A GOOD DAY. [01:30:03] IT'S THE CITIZENS THAT LOSE. I DISAGREE WITH THE ATTORNEY ALSO. I THINK I THANK MR. LEHMAN FOR HIS KIND COMMENTS TONIGHT. NO GROWTH TILL A REAL PLAN IS PUT IN PLACE. LIKE THE PUBLIC HOUSING WHERE KIDS ARE GETTING KILLED CROSSING 218CH. LET'S GET A REAL PLAN OVER BY THE REV SCREENS THEY CAN'T EVEN GO OVER THE REPAIRED BRIDGE BECAUSE THE COUNTY WANTS TO DO THE WRONG THING. THAT'S WHY WE DON'T HAVE CLAY TRANSIT BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE RIGHT PRIORITIES. WHICH I'M FINE WITH JACKSONVILLE TAKING OVER TRUST ME FOR MY BUSINESSES. THE FAIR SHARE WAS NOT FAIR AT ALL. YOU'RE DEFINITELY BEHIND. YOU KNOW YOU NEED TO GET CAUGHT UP NOT WITH THAT ONE HUNDRED 29 MILLION DOLLAR LOAN. 129 MILLION DOLLAR LOAN. THE BCC WAS MORE ABOUT FOOTBALL THAN THEY WERE ABOUT CLAY TRANSIT. AND WE NEED TO GET OUR KIDS OUT OF THE FOOTBALL AND OUR PUBLIC SCHOOLS K THROUGH 12 BECAUSE IT'S ABUSE AND OUR HOSPITALS ARE FULL WITH THE PANDEMIC. AND WHY ARE WE SPENDING $45,000 OF TAXPAYERS MONEY WHETHER IT'S GETTING REIMBURSED OR NOT IT'S STILL TAXPAYERS MONEY FOR A FOOD TRUCK AND A DRIVE-IN THEATER. THAT'S RIDICULOUS. JUST GET ON THE FACEBOOK AND SEND OUT FIRES OR JUST GET IT AROUND CHEAPER THAT YOU GUYS GOT THIS STARTED OVER THERE BUT REALLY YOU NEED TO TURN THAT INTO A HOMELESS SHELTER AT THE FAIRGROUNDS. TO BE REAL CITIZENS AFTER CLAY COUNTY AND LOVE PEOPLE THAT NEEDS TO BE A HOMELESS SHELTER. THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF HOMELESS PEOPLE COMING AND WE ALREADY GOT A LOT OF HOMELESS PEOPLE THERE. BUT THAT'S WHY THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS SET THERE AT THE FINANCE MEETING TODAY AND ACT LIKE THEY DON'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT HOW MUCH MONEY THEY REALLY GAVE THE FAIR TODAY. 5,000 TO START THE FOOD TRUCK THING. BUT THEY GAVE THEM $45,000. THEY'RE LYING TO THE CITIZENS. I HOPE THE CITIZENS START WAKING UP AND THEY START PAYING ATTENTION TO THESE MEETINGS. THE FOOTBALL IS CHILD ABUSE. LET'S GET IT OUT OF OUR PUBLIC SCHOOLS. YOU WANT TO ABUSE YOUR KIDS. DO IT OUTSIDE OF OUR PUBLIC SCHOOLS. THESE PEOPLE THAT ARE BEING ABUSED TURN INTO ABUSE SERVICE. IT'S A CONSTANT CYCLE. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU MR. OTTO. THANK YOU FOR YOUR VIEWS. >> IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO COME UP FOR THE LAST PUBLIC COMMENT? SEEING NONE WE'RE GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT. AND BRING IT BACK JUST WANT TO TAKE A MOMENT AND THANK STAFF. GREAT JOB THIS EVENING. I WANT TO ALSO WELL COME AND THANK OUR NEW MEMBERS FROM THE CLERK'S OFFICE FOR BEING HERE. I HOPE YOU-ALL ENJOYED THIS MEETING. AND. >> IT GETS BETTER. >> YES. THERE'S BEEN 1 OR 2 TIMES THAT WE'VE GONE UNTIL 2, 230 IN THE MORNING BUT VERY RARE. AND THEN OFFICER LEONARD THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE THIS EVENING WITH US. IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE FROM THE COMMISSIONERS? >> TO WE GET OVERTIME WHEN WE GO THAT LATE. >> YEAH YOU GET TIME AND A HALF. >> 2 THINGS MR. CHAIR. JUST WANTED ONE IS REMIND EVERYBODY NOVEMBER MEETING IS GOING TO BE ON THURSDAY. I KNOW NEXT MEETING IS OCTOBER BUT JUST KIND OF GET IT IN YOUR MIND IN NOVEMBER. THE OTHER THING IS IF YOU GUYS WOULD INDULGE ME FOR JUST A MINUTE I'D LIKE TO TALK ABOUT THE PARKING ON THESE NARROW LOTS. IT'S ALWAYS BEEN AN ISSUE WHEN THESE COME IN. THESE LOTS SEEM TO BE GETTING SMALLER AND SMALLER. I WOULD REALLY LIKE STAFF OR SOMEONE TO START LOOKING AT ALTERNATIVE SITE PLANS THAT WOULD ACCOMMODATE THESE SMALL LOTS BUT STILL ACCOMMODATE THE CARS. LIKE THE ONE THAT WILL MILLER HAD TONIGHT. HE HAD A PARKING LOT. YOU KNOW WHEN YOU'VE GOT THE ONE WE SAW RECENTLY WHICH IS A STREET NARROW STREET BECAUSE WE ONLY REQUIRE A CERTAIN WIDTH AND YOU PUT 45 LOTS ON IT THE CARS ARE PARKED ALL OVER THE PLACE. MAYBE THE ANSWER TO THAT IS WHEN WE COULD SOMETHING LIKE THAT IS WE REQUIRE ANGLE PARKING ON BOTH SIDES OF THE STROOT AND THAT WAY YOU CAN GET MORE -- STREET AND [01:35:05] THAT WAY YOU CAN GET MORE CARS WITHOUT THEM BEING ALL OVER THE AREA. I THINK WE HAVE TO START THINKING WHERE THESE CARS ARE GOING TO GO. YOU CAN'T KEEP MAKING LOTS SMALLER AND TRYING TO PUT THE CARSON THOSE LOTS. >> I THINK ONE THING TO ADD THE BOARD HAS ELIMINATED LANES BECAUSE OF THE ISSUE OF PEOPLE PARKING IN THE STREET. SO THAT WAY THERE'S LIKE EMERGENCY VEHICLES CAN GET AROUND. >> I'M THINKING KIND OF YOU KNOW IF YOU GO SOME PLACES WHERE THEY DO HAVE DENSE HOUSING THEY BRING THE BUILD ZINGS CLOSER UP TO THE FRONT RIGHT? AND YOU HAVE THE SIDEWALK. BUT THEN FOR PARKING YOU JUST HAVE ANNING DWELL PARKING DOWN THE STREET. SO -- ANGLE PARKING. SO YOU ONLY NEED 10 FEET FOR A PARKING SPACE. YOU CAN GET 4 IN FRONT OF A 40 FIGHT LOT LIKE THAT. I THINK IT'S SOMETHING WE GOT TO LOOK AT AND GET AHEAD OF IT BEFORE IT KEEPS CREATING PROBLEMS. >> OK. ANY LAST THOUGHTS? >> ON THE SAME SUBJECT MOST OF THESE NEW DEVELOPMENTS AREN'T THEY COVERED BY A NATURE WAY OR SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT AND SHOULD NOT THE HOA BE ENFORCING THAT TYPE OF POLICY TO PREVENT PEOPLE FROM PARKING BECAUSE I DROVE OVER TO EAGLE HARBOR ONE DAY APP WENT DOWN THROUGH ONE OF THE STREETS. I FELT LIKE I WAS RUNNING THROUGH A RAT MAZE. I WOULD THINK ON THE HIGHER DENSITY FACILITIES THERE OUGHT TO BE SOMETHING IN THE HOA THAT SAYS EITHER PARK IN YOUR GARAGE OR DRIVE WHICH OR THE AUXILIARY PARKING LOT WHICH IS BEHIND YOUR PAPT APARTMENT BUILDING OR WHATEVER IT IS. >> I THINK -- IT DEPENDS ON HOW ACTIVE HOA APPS ARE. SOME HOA APPS IF YOU PARK MORE THAN 15 MINUTES YOU GET A STICKER TO REMIND YOU THAT YOU'RE OR NOT SUPPOSED TO BE PARKING THERE. SO THAT'S GOING TO BE HOW ACTIVE THAT LOCAL HOA IS. >> I AGREE. IN EAGLE HARBOR I THINK THEY MEASURE THE BID OF THE GRASS. OR WISE YOU GET A YELLOW STICKY ON YOUR FRONT DOOR. >> AND THAT'S HOA UPS A. I'M THINKING AS A COUNTY -- WE CAN SET DESIGN STANDARDS. AND THAT'S WHERE I WAS HEADED. SO. >> IT'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT WE MAKE ASSUMPTIONS FOR WITH HOA APPS BUT WHEN YOU START TO LOOK AT THE STATE STATUES WE HAD AN PROBLEM WITH PEOPLE PARKING ACROSS FROM EACH OTHER AND THE SCHOOL BUSES COULDN'T GET DOWN. OK. AND WHEN WE WENT TO THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT TO FIND OUT YOU KNOW WHAT WE COULD DO WHAT WE COULDN'T DO THE NEIGHBORHOOD EVEN THOUGH YOU HAVE HOA RULES AND REGULATIONS THEY STILL HAVE THE RIGHT TO PARK THERE. AND YOU CAN'T YOU CAN STICK STICKS KURTS ON YOU CAN'T PARK HERE 15 MINUTES WHATEVER BUT FOR THE MOST PART THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO PRETTY MUCH -- PARK WHEREVER THEY WANT AS LONG AS IT'S RESIDENTIAL AND IT'S A CAR NOT YOU KNOW A CONSTRUCTION VEHICLE OR SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE BUT YEAH IT'S PRETTY TOUGH. SO THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS YOU NEED TO LOOK AT BEFORE YOU GET INTO STARTING THE CHANGE OF SOME OF THOSE THINGS. >> IF YOU DO IT THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS AND YOU STRIKE THE STREET FOR ANGLED PARKING FOR EXAMPLE YOU GOT TO PARK THERE BECAUSE THEN YOU CAN'T JUSTS PARK ANYWHERE. IT BECOMES ILLEGAL PARKING BUT IF YOU HAVE THE ROAD YOU CAN PARK ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD WHICH IS WHAT YOU'RE RUBBING INTO. >> RIGHT. >> IN OTHER WORDS THE SMALLER WE GET WE'VE GOT TO DRIVE DEVELOPMENT THROUGH OUR REGULATIONS TO PROVIDE THE RIGHT KIND OF PARKING FOR THAT. THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO SEE. >> I THINK IT'S EASIER; IS TO DO ON PRIVATE PROPERTY THAT'S OWNED BY SOMEONE WHO IS BUILDING TOWN HOMES OR CONDOMINIUMS WHERE THEY CAN REGULATE THE PARKING EASIER THAN AN HOA. >> OK. ANY FINAL THOUGHTS FROM ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS? HEARING NONE WE ARE ADJOURNED. * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.