Aug 11, 2020 BCC Agenda

[CALL TO ORDER]

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>> CHAIRMAN: GOOD EVENING, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENDANCE NOT WITH STANDING THE STORM.

AS WE USUALLY START OUR MEETING WE WILL DO SO WITH THE IN VOCATION AND PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.

SO IF YOU WOULD CALL STAND PLEASE.

FATHER I THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY WE HAVE IN THIS GREAT NATION EVEN THOUGH WE ARE FACING CHALLENGING TIMES IT'S STILL THE LATEST NATION IN THE WORLD AND I PRAY THAT YOU HELP US TO NEVER TAKE THAT FREEDOM FOR GRANTED AND GIVE US WISDOM AS WE MAKE DECISIONS TODAY IN JESUS'S NAME I PRAY.

AMEN. IT'S MY PLEASURE TO INTRODUCE CHIEF PETTY OFFICER KARLA PERDOMO.

ARE YOU STILL IN THE NAVY? I WAS JUST READING HER BRIEF BIO. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT JUMPED OUT AT ME. SHE SERVES ON THE HONOR SUPPORT TEAM THAT PROVIDES FUNERAL DETAILS FOR ACTIVE, RETIRED AND VETERAN MILITARY PERSONNEL. SO, WE'RE EXTREMELY HAPPY TO HAVE HER HERE TONIGHT AND SHE WILL LEAD US IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE TO OUR GREAT FLAG.

ALLEGIANCE] WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE ANY

COMMENTS MA'AM. >> I JUST WANT TO THANK EVERYBODY FOR THE COUNTY-- FOR THE OPPORTUNITY.

I'VE NEVER DONE ANYTHING LIKE THIS AND IT WAS A PLEASURE BEING HERE.

>> COUNCIL MEMBER: THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE AND WHO YOU DO.

>> GOOD EVENING I WOULD LIKE TO CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER FOR AUGUST 11TH OF THE CLAY COUNTY BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS FOR OUR FIRST MEETING OF THE MONTH.

WITH THAT SAID, WE'VE HAD OUR INVOCATION, OUR PLEDGE, OUR CALL TO ORDER, AND OUR ROLL CALL WHICH WE CAN DO VISUALLY BECAUSE I THINK WE CAN SEE THAT EVERYONE IS HERE.

[A MOMENT IN HISTORY]

>> ON THIS DAY, AUGUST 11, '19 THREE, ALCATRAZ, THE FAMOUS PRISON IN CALIFORNIA IN SAN FRANCISCO BAY OPENED UP WITH 22 PRISONERS. AND THERE'S A LONG AND STORIED HISTORY OF PRISONERS WHO TRIED TO ESCAPE UNSUCCESSFULLY AND ENDED UP, YOU KNOW, IN SHARK INFESTED WATERS AND DIFFERENT THINGS. BUT KIND OF AN INTERESTING HISTORIC PLACE. SO, ALCATRAZ OPENED TODAY.

HOPEFULLY NONE OF US EVER HAVE TO GO THERE OTHER THAN AS

[PET ADOPTIONS]

PRESENTS? >> THE FIRST TWO ANIMALS ARE BROTHERS. SO I WILL TALK ABOUT THEM TOGETHER. OUR DOGS ARE DIGGY AND DEXTER.

DIGGY IS TEN AND HIS BROTHER DEXTER IS SEVEN YEARS OLD.

THEY'RE BOTH AROUND 78 POUNDS. BOTH DOGS ARE LAID BACK BOYS THAT LOVE AFFECTION, GOING ON WALKSES AN PLAYING WITH EACH OTHER. BOTH DOGS ARE GOOD WITH CHILDREN, KNOW BASIC COMMANDS AND ARE HOUSE TRAINED.

BOTH DOGS ARE VERY BONDED WITH EACH OTHER.

AND IT WOULD BE GREAT IF WE COULD FIND A TOGETHER HOME FOR BOTH OF THEM. BOTH ARE UP TO DATE ON VACCINES, MICRO CHIPPED AND HEARTWORM NEGATIVE.

OUR FIRST CAT IS OLD GREG. A SWEET BOY WHO WOULD LOVE NOTHING MORE THAN TO BE BY YOUR SIDE GETTING LOTS OF SCRATCHES AND PETS. HE SPENT MOST OF HIS LIFE ON THE STREETS AND IS READY FOR A LIFE INDOORS.

IF YOU ARE LOOKING FOR A SWEET KITTY TO SHARE YOUR LIFE AND POSSIBLY YOUR COUCH WITH, OLD GREG IS YOUR BOY.

OLD GREG IS UP TO DATE ON VAX OWNS AND MICROCHIPPED.

OUR OTHER CAT IS GOOSE. A DOMESTIC SHORT HAIR 15 WEEK

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GOOSE HAS A BROTHER NAMED HEATH CLIFF THAT IS LOOKING FOR A HOME. .

[PRESENTATIONS]

>> MOVING TO OUR PRESENTATIONS WE HAVE FRANK BURLEY FROM FLORIDA FORESTRY SERVICE HERE TO MAKE AN ANNOUNCEMENT OR MAYBE

SEVERAL KNOWS. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURAL AND CONSUMER SERVICES IN THE FOREST MANAGEMENT PLAN ADVISORY GROUP WOULD LIKE TO ANNOUNCE A VIRTUAL PUBLIC MEETING AND VIRTUAL PUBLIC HEARING TO WHICH ALL PERSONS ARE INVITED. THE HEARING WILL TAKE PLACE ON AUGUST 25TH AND IS DIVIDED INTO TWO PARTS.

A PUBLIC HEARING AND WORKSHOP. THE PUBLIC HEARING STARTS AT 10:30 A.M. AND IS OPEN TO PUBLIC COMMENT.

THE TOPIC IS GOING OVER OUR TEN YEAR MANAGEMENT PLAN WHICH ONLINE ALL OF THE MANAGEMENT PLAN DRAFT CAN BE FOUND ONLINE.

IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT, IF YOU WOULD LIKE A COPY OF IT YOU CAN EMAIL ME OR FRANK. MY EMAIL IS

DANIEL.HEAD@FDACS.GOV. >> CHAIRMAN: THANK YOU, SIR.

[APPROVAL OF MINUTES]

IS THERE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

FOR AUGUST THE THIRD SAME. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

OPPOSED? OKAY WE'RE DOWN TO PUBLIC

[PUBLIC COMMENTS]

GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND YOU GOT THREE MINUTES,

EDDIE. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: I AM THE LEAD PASTOR AT 5040 COUNTY ROAD 218. I WANT TO SPEAK TO AGENDA ITEM

24. >> CHAIRMAN: WOULD YOU LIKE TO

WAIT UNTIL WE ADDRESS THAT? >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: I CAN DO IT RIGHT NOW. I SUPPORT THE PLANNING COMMISSION VOTE TO DENY THE CHANGE OF THE REZONING THERE.

BECAUSE WHERE THAT REZONING IN THAT PARTICULAR AREA BEING RIGHT DOWN THE ROAD FROM WILKERSON JUNIOR HIGH AND ELEMENTARY SCHOOL WE HAVE KIDS WALKING DOWN SQUAWK FREQUENTLY.

IF YOU LOOK WITH THIS PARTICULAR ZONING NOTHING ON THIS SIDE OF THE RED LINE IS ZONED B B-3. IT IS MOSTLY BA-2 AGRICULTURE.

SO I KNOW THAT THE PLAN FOR THAT WAS TO BRING SOME BUSINESSES IN.

BUT WITH THE KIDS WALKING ON THE SIDEWALKS AND BEING RIGHT NEXT TO A CHURCH, NOT MY CHURCH BUT ANOTHER CHURCH, JUST LOOKING AT THAT WHOLE AREA THERE, WE DON'T NEED SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO OPEN UP DOORS TO BRING OTHER AVENUES TO BRING DOWN THAT COMMUNITY IN THAT AREA WITH THAT PARTICULAR REZONING IT WOULD OPEN IT UP FOR ADULT ENTERTAINMENT AND ALCOHOL SALES IN THAT AREA. EVEN THOUGH IT IS WITHIN 500 FEET OF A SCHOOL AND NEXT DOOR TO A CHURCH.

SO I WANT TO ENCOURAGE YOU COMMISSIONERS AND I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP I WANT TO ENCOURAGE YOU TO UPHOLD THEIR DENYING OF THE CHANGING OF THE ZONING FOR THE BETTER.

OF CLAY HILL AS A WHOLE. AS A LEAD PASTOR, I WANT TO SEE THAT AREA FLOURISH. I WANT TO SEE IT GROW BUSINESS WISE BUT I WANT TO SEE IT DEALT WITH RIGHT.

SO I WANT TO ENCOURAGE YOU TO UPHOLD THE DENY OF THE CHANGE OF ZONING FOR THAT AREA. THANK YOU AND GOD BLESS YOU ALL.

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>> CHAIRMAN: THANK YOU. OKAY DEL HORDE TOBACCO FREE

PARTNERSHIP OF CLAY COUNTY. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: I AM A FIRST TIMER AT THIS. MY NAME IS DALE HORDE.

I AM A LIFELONG RESIDENT OF CLAY COUNTY.

I AM ALSO A NEW BUSINESS OWNER IN CLAY COUNTY.

MYSELF, MY WIFE AND MY FAMILY. WE'LL BE OPENING A GRUMPY'S RESTAURANT IN MIDDLEBURG ON OCTOBER 5TH.

>> CHAIRMAN: GREAT WE NEED A GREAT BREAKFAST RESTAURANT OUT

THERE. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: THANK YOU.

I AM A MEMBER OF TOBACCO FREE MEMBERSHIP OF CLAY COUNTY.

I'D LIKE TO TELL YOU A FEW THINGS WE DO IN THE COMMUNITY.

FIRST WE WORK WITH THE CLAY COUNTY SCHOOLS WITH SWAT GROUPS WHICH IS STUDENTS WORKING AGAINST TOBACCO.

WE'RE CURRENTLY WORKING AT EIGHT SCHOOLS IN CLAY COUNTY.

WE'RE THERE TO EDUCATE CHILDREN ON THE POTENTIAL RISK AND COST ASSOCIATED WITH THE USE OF TOBACCO AND VAPING PRODUCTS.

WE ALSO WORK WITH BUSINESS OWNERS ON THE ADVANTAGES OF TOBACCO FREE ENVIRONMENT. SOME OF THESE ADVANTAGES ARE LOWER HEALTH INSURANCE PREMIUMS, A MORE PRODUCTIVE WORKPLACE DUE TO LESS SMOKE BREAKS, AND MORE AESTHETICALLY PLEASING.

WE ALSO WORK WITH HOUSING UNITS ON DEVELOPING TOBACCO FREE PLANS THAT CAN BE ADDED TO THEIR LEASE AGREEMENTS.

THESE PLANS SHOW HOW COSTS CAN BE REDUCED DUE TO ISSUES OF PRODUCTS. ONE EXAMPLE BEING WHEN A TENANT MOVES OUT WITH THE TOBACCO AND VAPE USE YOU HAVE TO CHANGE ALL THE CARPET AND PAINT ALL THE WALLS TRYING TO GET RID OF THE SMELL. WE VISIT LOCAL MERCHANTS TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE BIDING BY THE STANDARDS THAT HAVE BEEN SET CONCERNING PRODUCT PLACEMENT IN STORES, SIGNAGE AND SIGNAGE CONTENTS. WE ALSO PARTNER WITH GROUPS SUCH AS AREA HEALTH EDUCATION CENTERS IN PRESENTING ALTERNATIVES TO QUITTING TOBACCO AND VAPE PRODUCTS.

THESE ARE JUST A FEW OF THE THINGS WE DO IN THE COMMUNITY.

WE'RE NOT HERE TO BADGER PEOPLE OR TELL THEM THEY'RE BAD PERSON FOR USING TOBACCO OR VAPE PRODUCTS.

WE JUST WANT TO EDUCATE THEM ON THE POSSIBLE NEGATIVE EFFECTS OF THESE PRODUCTS AND THEN LET THAT INIVIDUAL MAKE THE DECISION FOR THEMSELVES. AND ONE REASON I WANTED TO SPEAK ON THIS. WE ARE LOOKING FORWARD TO IMPLEMENTING A TOBACCO RETAIL LICENSE IN CLAY COUNTY IN THE NEAR FUTURE. AND I'M LOOKING FORWARD-- WE ARE LOOKING FORWARD TO MEETING WERE THE COMMISSIONERS AT A LATER DATE SO WE CAN WORK TOGETHER, EDUCATE EACH OTHER AND EVENTUALLY MAKE THE TOBACCO RETAIL LICENSE A REALITY.

AND I THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR TIME.

>> CHAIRMAN: THANK YOU. NOT TO DIMINISH YOUR MESSAGE BUT TELL US WHEN THE RESTAURANT IS OPENING.

>> PUBLIC SPEAKER: OCTOBER 5TH. >> CHAIRMAN: THANK YOU, SIR.

I THINK SHE HAS ARRIVED. MS. ELLA HUFFMAN WE SAVED YOU FOR LAST. YOU COME IN JUST AT THE NICK OF

TIME. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: I'M SO SORRY I HAD TO SWIM HERE SO. I WANTED TO GIVE AN UPDATE OF WHERE WE WERE AT. JOHN AND I STARTED TODAY OUR SCHOOL PRESENTATION ROAD SHOW AS WE CALL IT.

WE DID FOUR PRESENTATIONS AT FOUR DIFFERENT SCHOOLS TODAY.

SO, WE'RE FAIRLY EXHAUSTED. TRYING TO EDUCATE THE TEACHERS THAT CAME BACK TODAY ALONG WITH THE OTHER STAFF AND REALLY BE ABLE TO ANSWER A LOT OF THEIR QUESTIONS SEAN NAIR 84 AND GO THROUGH THOSE. SO I WANT TO GIVE YOU THE LATEST ON OUR DATA. WHERE WE'RE AT AS I ALWAYS DO.

A LITTLE OVER 3,300 CASES. WE'VE HAD DOWNWARD TRENDS THE PAST FOUR OR FIVE DAYS WHICH IS GOOD NEWS.

TLIKS CASES THIS MORNING. OUR MEDIAN AGE REMAINS 43-44.

WE HAVE HAD DEATH IN LONG-TERM CARE FACILITIES AND CONTINUE TO STRUGGLE WITH THAT IN THE INSTANCE THAT WE ARE CONTINUING TO HAVE SOME CASES IN THOSE AND WE'RE HAVING THEM, YOU KNOW, HAVE SOME POOR OUTCOMES. HOSPITALIZATION DATA.

WE LOOK AT THAT DATA AS OF LAST NIGHT WE HAD 65 INDIVIDUALS HOSPITALIZED WITH COVID. FOUR OR FIVE ON VENTS.

I'M TRYING TO DO THIS OFF MEMORY A LITTLE BIT.

SO, WE'RE DOING FAIRLY WELL AND VERY CONSISTENT WITH WHAT'S HAPPENING IN OUR HOSPITALS AND WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.

WE CONTINUE TO DO THOSE WEEKLY CALLS WITH THE HOSPITALS EACH FRIDAY TO REALLY TALK THROUGH ANY OF THOSE ISSUES THEY'RE HAVING WITH DISCHARGE PLANNING SO WE CAN GET THOSE OUT OF THE HOSPITAL SO WE CAN MAKE ROOM FOR ADDITIONAL AVAILABILITY IF WE NEED THAT IN THE FUTURE. IF WE LOOK AT THE CASES AGAIN BY

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AND DEATH IS 65 AND OLDER. SO THAT'S WHERE MOST OF OUR CASES ARE RANGING FROM. THIS OBACKSIDE YOUR POSITIVITY RATE GOES OVER WHAT YOU SEE DAILY.

THAT'S ALWAYS DEPENDENT ON THE NUMBER OF CASES REPORTED BOTH NEGATIVE AND POSITIVE. THAT'S THE DENOMINATOR NUMBER THAT CAN BE INFLUENTIAL IN THAT. AGAIN, LOOKING AT OUR GOAL WAS TO GET UNDER TEN PERCENT POSITIVITY RATE ON AN AVERAGE AND WE HAVE MADE THAT. SO, THAT'S GOOD NEWS FOR WHAT WE'RE SEEING DECLINING. THE GOOD NEWS AT THE VERY BOTTOM IS WHAT WE LOOK AT. WE'RE LOOKING AT WHAT KIND OF SYMPTOMS ARE PEOPLE PRESENTING TO WHEN THEY GO TO THE EMERGENCY ROOM. WE KNOW PEOPLE ARE FAIRLY SICK WHEN THEY GET TO THE POINT THEY'RE GOING TO SEEK EMERGENCY CARE. SO IF WE LOOK AT THE LINE GRAPHS ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE YOU ARE LOOKING AT INFLUENZA LIKE ILLNESS. WE'RE SEEING A DOWNWARD TRAJECTORY OF THAT AND THE COVID LIKE ILLNESS WHERE WE'RE LOOKING AT THE OTHER SIGNS AND SYMPTOMS AND THEY'RE HAVING A DOWNWARD TRAJECTORY. AND WE'RE SEEING THAT ACROSS THE STATE. SO, WE'RE CONTINUING TO WORK WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AS WE LOOK AT 14 DAYS FROM NOW THEY WILL BE OPENING. CONTINUING TO DO A LOT OF MESSAGING, COMMUNICATION, REALLY LOOKING AT HOW THEIR PLANS ARE RELATED TO, YOU KNOW, REOPENING AND HOW WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THOSE CHANNELS OF COMMUNICATION ARE VERY CLEARLY DEFINED SO THAT WE HAVE VERY LIMITED HANDS IN THE POT. SO THAT IT'S CLEAR COMMUNICATION UP TO THEIR CHIEF OF STAFF OVER TO MY SHOP.

WE CAN ANSWER THE QUESTIONS BACK TO THEIR CHIEF OF STAFF AND BACK DOWN THE CHAIN SO WE DON'T HAVE MULTIPLE PEOPLE ANSWERING THE SAME QUESTION MULTIPLE WAYS. WE ARE GOING TO BE TRANSITIONING AT THE END OF THIS WEEK FROM THE CALL CENTER FOR COVID BEING AT THE CALL CENTER BACK TO THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT.

A COUPLE OF REASONS FOR THIS. ONE IS WE'VE BEEN STAFFING THEM UP AT THE EOC. WE'RE GOING TO PULL THOSE BACK IN NOW THAT WE HAVE ADDITIONAL STAFF THAT WE WERE ABLE TO GET WITH THE ALLOCATED DOLLARS FROM THE LEGISLATURE TO BE ABLE TO HOST THAT INSIDE THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT AND BE ABLE TO ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS THEN THEY CAN DO OTHER WORK WHEN THEY'RE NOT ANSWERING THOSE CALLS SO WE CAN TWOFOLD APPROACH TO GETTING THE WORK DONE WITH CASE INVESTIGATIONS, CONTACT TRACING.

ALSO IF WE HAVE TO LEAVE MESSAGES WHERE THEY CALL BACK TO, WHO IS ANSWERING THAT CALL AND ALL THAT.

THAT'S THE BIG PICTURE. I FEEL LIKE I JUST AUCTIONED IT OFF TO YOU AND APOLOGIZED. I'VE BEEN IN FAST MODE TODAY.

SO, I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS MR. BOLLA.

OPENING UP ARE WE GOING TO DO ANY WATCHING FOR A COUPLE WEEKS MAKING SURE WE DON'T HAVE A SPIKE IN THAT POPULATION?

>> SPEAKER: ABSOLUTELY. WE HAVE CALLS TWICE A WEEK WITH THE STATE SURGEON GENERAL RIGHT NOW IN THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT DIRECTOR IS REALLY LOOKING AT WHAT IF SCENARIOS AND THE THINGS THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO COME OUT OF TALLAHASSEE AS FAR AS GUIDANCE ACROSS ALL SCHOOL DISTRICTS AND ALL THAT.

SO, WE'RE CONTINUING TO MONITOR. THAT IS DEFINITELY ON OUR RADAR LOOKING FOR UPTICKS IN CASES AND WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.

IF I BELIEVE I HAD A CRYSTAL PBALL WHAT I THINK WILL HAPPEN S YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE SOME CASES AND WE'RE REALLY PROBABLY GOING TO HAVE HOUSEHOLD CLUSTERING THAT GOES ALONG WITH THAT.

BECAUSE THEY HAVE SUCH CLOSE PROXIMITY.

WE HAVE DATA THAT JUST BECAUSE YOU ARE IN THE SAME HOUSEHOLD DOESN'T MEAN YOU WILL NECESSARILY CONTRACT IT.

YOU CAN SELF-ISOLATE WITHIN YOUR HOME.

IF YOU ARE THE POSITIVE ADULT YOU CAN SELF-ISOLATE YOURSELF FROM THE OTHER REMAINING MEMBERS OF THE HOUSEHOLD BUT IT IS MORE CHALLENGING AS YOU CAN IMAGINE ESPECIALLY WHEN CHILDREN ARE INVOLVED.

>> COMMISSIONER: MAYBE A COUPLE OF ITEMS FOR TEACHERS

>> SPEAKER: THIS IS AN UNKNOWN AND THEY'RE HAVING TO LEARN SOMETHING NEW. THEY CAN'T COME IN AND ASSUME THEY CAN PICK UP WHERE THEY LEFT OFF ON MARCH 13TH.

WE WORK THROUGH SOME OF THOSE SCENARIOS TODAY TO LOOK AT TRYING TO GET THEM TO DO BRAINSTORMING TO SAY OKAY THIS IS WHAT I NEED TO ACHIEVE. THIS IS HOW I USED TO DO IT.

HOW DO I DO THAT, GET THE MESSAGE ACROSS AND MAYBE A DIFFERENT WAY. SO, WE'RE HAVING TO HAVE THEM THINK OUTSIDE OF THE BOX. WE HAD TEACHERS THAT GAVE IDEAS THAT SAID I DO MORE OF A LECTURE FORMAT.

A HIGH SCHOOLTEACHER SAID I'M GOING TO TRY TO GET THE FIRST ROW TO BE SIX FEET AWAY SO I'M ALWAYS CREATING THAT BARRIER.

MAKING SURE HE DOESN'T HAVE THE EXPOSURE.

WE TRY TO GIVE THEM SOME SKILL SETS ABOUT HOW TO BEST APT MIZE THE SPACE IN THEIR -- OPTIMIZE THE SPACE IN THEIR ROOMS. IT'S BEEN A NICE THING TO HAVE BUT THEY DON'T HAVE TO HAVE THAT

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STUDENTS AND TEACHERS ALSO. >> COMMISSIONER: THANKS.

>> CHAIRMAN: ANYTHING ELSE? THANK YOU.

>> SPEAKER: I'M SORRY YOU DIDN'T GET A REPORT FROM ME THIS PAST FRIDAY I ACTUALLY TOOK A DAY OFF.

IT WAS MY ANNIVERSARY SO I FIGURED I WAS GOING TO TAKE A DAY OFF. WE ARE SEEING A PLATEAU AND EVEN A BIT OF A DECLINING EFFECT. I TRY NOT TO BE TOO OPTIMISTIC KNOWING WE ARE GOING TO GO INTO GROUP CARE SETTING WITH THE SCHOOLS SO TO BE REALISTIC WE ARE GOING TO SEE AN UPTICK WHEN THAT HAPPENS. MY GOAL IS REALLY TO TRY TO LOOK FORWARD AND I'M HOPING THAT SOME OF THIS ANXIETY WITHIN THE PARENTS AND TEACHERS AND ADMINISTRATION REALLY SETTLES INTO THE NEW NORM OF WHAT THAT'S GOING TO BE BY END OF THE FIRST NINE WEEKS KNOWING THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE CASES AND STUDENTS THAT COME IN AND OUT BASED ON QUARANTINE, ISOLATION, POSITIVITY, THOSE THINGS, BUT REALLY TRYING TO BUILD THAT NEW

NORM FOR THEM. >> CHAIRMAN: THANK YOU GOOD.

THANK YOU. LET THE STORM PASS BEFORE YOU TRY TO LEAVE. SOMEONE ONLINE I BELIEVE, TROY? ALL RIGHT MR. OTTO? SPEAK UP.

>> PUBLIC SPEAKER: IS THAT BETTER?

>> CHAIRMAN: THAT'S BETTER. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: I WANTED TO MAKE SOME COMMENTS ON THE THOUSAND DOLLAR AND THE TWO THOUSAND DOLLAR BUSINESS. I APPLIED FOR THOSE AT OPENING.

I HAD A DRIVER'S LICENSE IN MIDDLEBURG FOR 18 YEARS.

I'VE OWNED A BUSINESS IN MIDDLEBURG FOR 18 YEARS DOING MAINTENANCE. AND PEOPLE ARE DOING THEIR OWN MAINTENANCE. I DON'T FEEL THAT WE SHOULD HAVE TO GIVE OUR MORTGAGE INFORMATION TO THE GOVERNMENT.

I DON'T THINK THAT'S PROPER. AND THERE'S SOME OTHER ISSUES THAT I WANT TO SPEAK ON TOO. LIKE THE ANIMALS.

MR. BOLLA ASKED IF HE COULD SAY HOW MUCH THE WEIGHT IS.

ALSO WHAT KIND OF I COULDN'T SEE WHAT YOU WERE DOING.

BUT HOW MANY PIT BULLS IN THE ANIMAL SHELTER. AND,OF COURSE, THANK YOU FOR THE SIDEWALKS. WE DEFINITELY NEEDED TO DO THAT.

NO TO FOOTBALL FOR CHILDREN. I SENT MR. BOLLA FOR THREE MINUTES A CLIP OF THE LEGISLATURE COMMENTS ABOUT FOOTBALL AND THE VIRUS AND PRIOR ISSUES AND I'D LIKE TO HAVE THAT PLAYED AT THE END OF THE MEETING FOR THE LAST PUBLIC COMMENT.

IF NOT, I'LL SPEAK ON THAT. BUT IT'S EXACTLY 3 MINUTES.

AND I'D LIKE YOU TO SHOW A MAP OF THE SEX SHOP LOCATIONS FOR THE CITIZENS ON THE SCREEN. THAT WOULD BE A GOOD THING.

SO WE CAN SEE WHERE THEY'RE AT. I KNOW THERE'S ONE MORE SALE ON KEYSTONE ON 21 AND PROBABLY A COUPLE MORE IN MIDDLEBURG FOR SALE. BUT ON THE ELECTION, WE NEED TO ELECT OFFICIALS THAT AREN'T GOING TO STEP ON YOU ARE ON CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS. SO I WOULD ASK THE CITIZENS TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE PRIOR MEETINGS AND JUST ABSORB THREE DIFFERENT TIMES THAT I WAS KICKED OUT OF THE MEETING.

ONCE FOR WEARING A FACE SHIELD. AND TWO OTHER TIMES THAT WEREN'T DESERVED EITHER. SO, I'M PROBABLY CLOSE TO MY THREE MINUTES. I DIDN'T TIME IT.

BUT I WOULD LIKE AN ANSWER ON WHY WE'RE HAVING TO GIVE MORTGAGE INFORMATION AND ALL KINDS OF REALLY DEEP INFORMATION FOR A THOUSAND DOLLARS WHEN WE HAVE A DRIVER'S LICENSE.

WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, OUR BUSINESSES ARE REGISTERED IN CLAY COUNTY. I MEAN, THIS IS A LOT OF BIG BROTHER THAT I DON'T THINK IS APPROPRIATE AT ALL.

THANK YOU, SIR. >> CHAIRMAN: THANK YOU, MR. OTTO. ANYONE ELSE, TROY?

[CONSENT AGENDA]

>> COMMISSIONER: I'LL MOVE TO APPROVE.

>> COMMISSIONER: SECOND. >> CHAIRMAN: A MOTION AND A

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OPPOSED? SO DONE.

THANK YOU. UNDER NEW BUSINESS.

[7.  Appointment of Members to the 2020 Value Adjustment Board]

BOARD. >> SPEAKER: AS YOU WILL RECALL THE CLERK'S OFFICE WILL NOW BE HANDLING THE VALUE ADJUSTMENT BOARD AS PART OF AMENDMENT 10 AND THEIR DUTIES.

THEY HAVE SENT OVER A REQUEST AS FAR AS FORMULATING THE 2020 BOARD. AND WHAT THEY NEED FROM THE BCC IS A SELECTION OF TWO COMMISSIONERS THAT WILL SERVE ON THAT BOARD. ONE OF WHICH WILL SERVE AS THE CHAIR. ALSO THE BCC NEEDS TO SELECT ONE CITIZEN MEMBER. AND THAT CITIZEN MEMBER NEEDS TO BE A HOMESTEAD PROPERTY OWNER WITHIN THE COUNTY.

AS YOU WILL RECALL IN THE PAST JOHN O'CONNOR HAS SERVED FOR MANY YEARS IN THAT POSITION. HE HAS NOW MOVED AND IS NO LONGER A HOMESTEAD PROPERTY OWNER IN THE COUNTY.

SO, HE IS UNABLE TO SERVE. >> CHAIRMAN: OKAY.

IT'S QUITE APPARENTLY WILL ONLY BE I GUESS TWO COMMISSIONERS HERE COME THE NEW YEAR. AND SINCE WE NEED TWO COMMISSIONERS IT KIND OF GOES DEFAULT.

THAT WOULD BE COMMISSIONER SULLA AND BOLLA.

NOW THE CITIZEN. YOU SAY WE DO HAVE A REQUEST TO

FILL THAT SLOT FROM WHOM? >> SPEAKER: THE ONE WHO HAS SERVED IN THE PAST IS UNABLE TO SERVE.

COMMUNICATION FROM MR. MORTON AND HE SAID HE FILLED OUT THE

PAPERWORK. >> SPEAKER: WE HAVE CORRESPONDED WITH HIM. HE IS A COMMISSIONER SERVING ON OUR PLANNING COMMISSION SO WE'VE ADVISED HIM THAT PERHAPSES IT'S NOT A GOOD

IDEA TO BE ON BOTH. >> CHAIRMAN: IS THERE A COMMISSIONER PRESENT THAT WOULD HAVE A GOOD CANDIDATE TO SERVE IN THIS POSITION? O'CONNOR HAS FILLED THIS FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS BUT HE IS LIVING SOUGHT OF COUNTY NOW.

CAN WE PASS THIS WHILE THIS GROUP MAYBE REACHES OUT TO SOME OF THE PEOPLE THEY KNOW AND BRING IT BACK TO THE NEXT

MEETING? >> SPEAKER: SURE.

>> CHAIRMAN: IS THAT SATISFACTORY TO THE BOARD? ALL RIGHT. FIND US A GOOD CANDIDATE.

MOVING ON ITEM 8, STANDING COMMITTEE'S RECOMMENDATION ON

[8.  Standing Committee's Recommendation of Approval of Century Ambulance Service, Inc.'s Application for Renewal of its Certificate of Public Convenience and Necessity for Ambulance Service]

THIS IS RENEWAL OF THE CERTIFICATE.

CHIEF, ARE YOU WITH US? >> SPEAKER: THIS IS ONE OF THE STATUTORY DUTIES THAT THE DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC SAFETY HAS RELATIVE TO CERTIFICATES OF NEED AND CONVEYANCE.

CENTURY AMBULANCE HAS BEEN A LONG-TERMTHEY'RE SEEKING RENEWA APPLICATION FOR CLASS B, C AND D CERTIFICATE.

THE STANDING COMMITTEE HEARD THIS ON AUGUST 4TH.

THEY RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF IT AND THE DEPARTMENT DOES THE

SAME. >> CHAIRMAN: QUESTIONS FOR CHIEF MOTT? THESE ARE THREE YEAR TERMS?

>> SPEAKER: TWO YEAR TERMS. >> CHAIRMAN: ALL RIGHT.

IS THERE A MOTION? >> COMMISSIONER: SO MOVED.

>> COMMISSIONER: SECOND. >> CHAIRMAN: ALL IN FAVOR AYE.

OPPOSED. THANK YOU CHIEF APPRECIATE YOU.

[9.  Approval of donation of surplus mosquito control equipment to the Town of Callahan]

>> SPEAKER: WE HAVE RECEIVED A REQUEST FROM THE TOWN OF CALLAHAN FOR US TO DONATE I BELIEVE IT'S FIVE DIFFERENT SPRAYERS THAT THE COUNTY HAS SURPLUSSED AND CONSIDERED OBSOLETE. AND THEY WOULD LIKE US TO DONATE THEM TO THEM FOR THEM TO HOPEFULLY REWORK AND BE ABLE TO

PUT INTO USE. >> CHAIRMAN: AGAIN THEY'RE SERVING NO PURPOSE FOR US NOR IT WOULD BE COST-EFFECTIVE TO PUT

THEM IN AUCTION? >> SPEAKER: CORRECT.

>> COMMISSIONER: HOW DID THEY FIND OUT ABOUT THAT KIND OF

STUFF? >> SPEAKER: I'M NOT SURE.

BUT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN IN THE WORKS THAT BRAD BEFORE HE LEFT WAS WORKING WITH THEM AND NOW IT'S JUST

RESURFACED. >> COMMISSIONER: CURIOUS IF

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>> COMMISSIONER: I IMAGINE THESE GUYS TALK TO EACH OTHER ON THE SIDE. I ASKED IF THIS WAS GOING TO HURT US AT ALL. I MEAN, WE'RE ESSENTIALLY CONTRACTING OUT NOW AND COULD WE EVER GO BACK IF WE HAD AN EMERGENCY OR SOMETHING. AND I'M UNDERSTANDING THAT THIS STUFF IS SO OBSOLETE WE WOULD NOT USE IT ANY WAY.

>> SPEAKER: THAT IS CORRECT. YES, SIR.

>> COMMISSIONER: I WILL MOVE APPROVAL.

>> COMMISSIONER: SECOND. >> CHAIRMAN: THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

OPPOSED. THANK YOU.

[10.  Grant Application Submittal Update]

THERE'S ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR GRANTS ON HERE.

COUNTY MANAGER WOULD JUST LIKE TO MENTION THOSE BRIEFLY.

>> SURE. I HAVE BOTH KAREN AND JOHN STANDING BY BUT THOSE WERE GRANT SUBMITTAL APPLICATIONS THAT WE WENT FORWARD WITH UPON BOARD'S APPROVAL FOR ME TO MOVE FORWARD.

THE FIRST SET IS FOR HUMAN SERVICES PLAN IN A POST DISASTER OR REDEVELOPMENT PLAN. DEFINITELY THE REDEVELOPMENT PLAN NEEDS UPDATING. IT WAS DATED 2006 TO 2007.

THESE GRANTS, ALL FOUR GRANTS, THE OTHER TWO ARE GENERATED PROJECTS FOR BOTH FLEMING ISLAND AND ORANGE PARK LIBRARIES ON THE GIVEN AMOUNTS. WE ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR TEN PERCENT OF THE PROJECT COST. WE ARE ALSO REQUIRED TO GIVE QUARTERLY REPORTING UNTIL IT'S COMPLETE.

SO THOSE ARE HERE. IF THERE'S ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS JOHN IS STANDING IN THE BACK FOR ANY OF THESE.

>> CHAIRMAN: QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE GRANT APPLICATIONS.

>> COMMISSIONER: MOVE FOR APPROVAL.

>> COMMISSIONER: SECOND. >> CHAIRMAN: IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

[11.  Camp Chowenwaw Pool Management Agreement Second Amendment-YMCA of Florida's First Coast, Inc.]

SECOND AMENDMENT. I THINK THIS GOES THROUGH THIS

MONTH? >> AT THE SPECIAL MEETING THE BOARD APPROVED THE AMENDMENT TO EXTEND THE AGREEMENT YMCA FOR THE POOL MANAGEMENT UP TO THE TWARTH OF AUGUST.

AT THE TIME WE DIDN'T HAVE THE AGREEMENT IN FRONT OF US SO WE'RE BRINGING IT BACK FOR OFFICIAL APPROVAL OF THE AGREEMENT AND WE HAVE TO ASK FOR A WAIVER OF THE PURCHASING POLICY BECAUSE THIS WASN'T PUT ON THE FINANCE AND AUDIT AGENDA.

>> CHAIRMAN: SO COME THE TWARTH OF AUGUST WE WILL BE ACCEPTING APPLICATIONS FOR THE NEW POOL MANAGER.

>> THIS IS JUST TAKING THE CURRENT AGREEMENT WHICH WOULD HAVE END THIS WEEK OUT TO THE 24TH TO MATCH UP MORE WHEN SCHOOL WAS STARTING. TO EXTEND THE PERIOD TO ALLOW THE Y TO OPERATE THE POOL LONGER.

>> CHAIRMAN: HAPPENS ON THE TWAR 24TH?

>> IT WILL CLOSE FOR THE REASON. >> COMMISSIONER: I'LL MOVE FOR

APPROVE. >> COMMISSIONER: SECOND.

>> CHAIRMAN: ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? HEARING NONE ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

OPPOSED? SO DONE.

[12.  Supplemental Contract with Mission Critical Partners, LLC-Communication Center Consultant]

>> AS YOU REMEMBERED WE ENTERED INTO A CONTRACT WITH MISSION CRITICAL PARTNER TO REVIEW THE CONSOLIDATION OF THE 911 CALL CENTERS. AFTER THAT WE ENTERED INTO AN AGREEMENT WITH THEM WITH COVID HAPPENING TO DO A REVIEW OF PLANNING. SINCE COVID SEEMS TO BE CHANGING THEY'VE ASKED FOR A 60DAY EXTENSION.

THEY DON'T THINK THEY'LL NEED ALL 60 DAYS TAKING THIS TO OCTOBER NINETH TO PREPARE THEIR FINAL REPORTS AND BRING THEM TO THE BOARD. WE'RE ASKING FOR A WAIVER TO THE PURCHASING POLICY BECAUSE WE DID NOT BRING IT TO FINANCE AND

AUDIT. >> COMMISSIONER:S THERE NO

ADDITIONAL COST TO US? >> NO IT'S JUST AN EXTRA 60 DAYS TO GIVE THEM TIME TO FINALIZE THE REPORTS WITH COVID-19 CHANGING AND THE WAY THEY TOUGHT WE SHOULD OPERATE VERSUS

OTHER REALITIES SINCE THEN. >> COMMISSIONER: MOVE FOR

APPROVAL. >> COMMISSIONER: SECOND.

>> CHAIRMAN: ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. OPPOSED? SO DONE. THANK YOU.

ITEM 12. SUPPLEMENTAL-- NO THAT WAS ITEM

[13.  Discussion regarding procedures for establishing a Public-Private Partnership (C. Grimm)]

DISCUSSION REGARDING PROCEDURES FOR SUSTAINING A PUBLIC-PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP. COURTNEY?

>> SO THIS IS IN FOLLOW-UP. LAST BOARD MEETING YOU HAD SOMEONE THAT CAME IN PRESENTED ON BEHALF OF THE GUN RANGE AND WAS INTERESTED. THE COUNTY HAS ACTUALLY RECEIVED NUMEROUS INQUIRIES ABOUT ASSISTING WITH THAT PROJECT.

WE HAVE LOOKED AT THE STATUTORY AUTHORITY FOR HOW TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT. WE ARE ALREADY IF WE NEED JAMES TO EXPAND ON IT WE CAN, BUT WE ARE ALREADY IN THE DESIGN PHASE FOR WHAT WE WOULD CALL PHASE 1 OF THE GUN RANGE.

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BECAUSE WE KNOW THERE ARE NUMEROUS ENTITIES INTERESTED AND BECAUSE WE'VE BEGUN THE DESIGN PHASE FOR PHASE 1, WHAT STAFF WOULD PROPOSE WE WAIT UNTIL WE GET BACK THE DESIGN FOR PHASE 1 THEN POTENTIALLY DO A PROCUREMENT THAT OPENS UP THE PHASE 1 AND PHASE 2 WHERE WE CAN WORK ON THE SWEEP FOR THE PUBLIC/PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP TO ASSIST US WITH FULFILLING THE DESIGN ONE THEN DOING A DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION FOR PHASE 2.

SO, I MEAN, THERE'S LOTS OF DIFFERENT WAYS THAT WE CAN MOVE FORWARD BUT, YOU KNOW, SO WE'RE OPEN TO COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE AND KIND OF FORMULATING HOW TO MOVE FORWARD.

>> COMMISSIONER: HOW LONG IS THE DESIGN GOING TO TAKE? I MEAN, YOU FEEL LIKE I'VE HEARD THAT DESIGN IS COMING ABOUT

THREE YEARS IN A ROW. >> RIGHT.

SO WE HAVE THE CONTRACTOR AND IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE I BELIEVE

THE MID TO END OF SEPTEMBER? >> 7 OF OCTOBER.

>> COMMISSIONER: OKAY. SO, THEN AT THAT POINT WE COULD DO AN RFQ BASED ON KNOWING WHAT THE COUNTY'S GRAND PLAN IS WITH KIND OF WHERE EVERYONE WOULD ROUGHLY BE.

AND WE CAN SAY THIS CHUNK OF IT COULD BE THE OPEN PUBLIC PART OF IT. OKAY.

>> AND THAT SPECIFIC PHASE 1 INVOLVES 20-- SO A RESTROOM.

A COVERED STORAGE AREA. A 20 POSITION RANGE.

A PARKING LOT. SOME LIGHTING POLES.

YOU KNOW, ALL FOR THAT PHASE 1. >> COMMISSIONER: BUT THE DESIGN THAT'S GOING TO BE COMPLETED IN OCTOBER IS JUST PHASE 1.

IT'S NOT THE OVERALL GRAND PLAN. >> CORRECT.

>> COMMISSIONER: WE PROBABLY OUGHT TO HAVE THE GRAND PLAN IN SIGHT ONE A GRAND PLAN AFTER WE'VE GOT PHRASE 1 FINISHED.

>> COMMISSIONER: I HAVE A QUESTION.

HOW MANY

>> DIDN'T YOU SAY 20 POSITIONS? >> SURE.

>> ONE OF THE PROPOSALS I HAVE IS THE INTEREST OF THE PARTIES THAT PURCHASED AND FROM WHAT I CAN TELL IS

. >> THAT'S THE PHASE 2.

THEY ARE INTERESTED IN THE PRIVATE PART OF IT WHICH WOULD BE OUR PHASE 2 WHICH WOULD BE ALLOWING THE PUBLIC ACCESS TO IT AND ALSO PROVIDING I BELIEVE THEY INDICATED THEY NEED A COMMERCIAL PART TO IT TO PROVIDE FOR SALE OF AMMUNITION.

THAT WOULD BE THE PHASE 2. >> COMMISSIONER: SO WE'RE GOING TO FINISH THE DESIGN ON PHASE 1.

. >> WHAT WE SUGGEST SINCE THE COUNTY HAS INVESTED IN THE DESIGN FOR PHASE 1 IS WHAT WE COULD DO AS FAR AS OUR PROPOSAL IS THE PUBLIC/PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP WOULD BE COMMITTING THEY COULD COME IN AND BID ON THE CONSTRUCTION PART FOR PHASE 1 AND THEN FOR PHASE 2

THEY CAN DESIGN AND CONSTRUCT. >> COMMISSIONER: DO WE SEE THE TWO RANGES AS BEING MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE? I MEAN, WOULD THERE BE OCCASION WHERE THEY COULD USE BOTH.

THAT IS WHERE-- I DON'T SEE US FENCING THIS OFF AND SAYING THIS IS ONLY FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

GENTLEMEN THAT WAS HERE THE - PROPOSING THAT PASSED OUT-- I THINK HE BELIEVES YOU WILL USE BOTH.

OBVIOUSLY THERE WILL BE DESIGNATED TIMES FOR THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE TO USE IT. BUT IF IT'S NOT IN USE DURING

THAT TIME-- >> MAXIMIZE USAGE.

I'M ON BOARD WITH THAT. WE'RE PAYING THE POLICE OFFICERS TO BE THERE FROM NINE TO FIVE. MOST OF THEM.

AND THE PUBLIC'S GOING TO WANT TO COME ON WEEKENDS AND AFTER HOURS. I MEAN I WOULD THINK SO I SEE SHARING THE ASSET BEING IN THE BEST INTEREST OF CLAY COUNTY.

IF WE CAN UTILIZE THE RANGE 12 HOURS A DAY INSTEAD OF 5 IT'S A

NO-BRAINER KIND OF THING. >> JAMES HAS ALL THIS IN THE HANDOUTS. WE JUST GOT THIS HANDOUT OR THIS

PLAN YESTERDAY AFTERNOON. >> LAST WEEK.

AND I WAS ABLE TO SCRIBBLE IN SOMETHING ON THE CURRENT

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WE NEVER FORGOT THAT WE WANTED TO BE ABLE TO UTILIZE THE PROPERTY FOR PUBLIC AS WELL. BUT TASK ONE WAS GET THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT SOMEWHERE TO QUALIFY.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE BOTTOM OF THE SCREEN, THE MORE DETAILED DRAWING, TROY IF YOU'LL CLICK TO THE NEXT DRAWING THEN WE'LL GO BACK. THE NEXT DRAWING IS ACTUALLY MORE OF THE DETAILS FOR THE SHERIFF'S RANGE.

IT'S A PARKING LOT. THEN THERE'S A BATHROOM.

STORAGE SHED BUILDING THEN A 20 POSITION FIRING LINE.

THEN YOU WILL SEE THE RANGE REPRESENTED WITH FERNS ALL AROUND IT. SO THAT'S THE ONE WITH THE DETAILS. YOU SEE IN THAT DESIGN WHILE YOU COULD BRING IN THE PUBLIC THERE ISN'T BUILDINGS TO OPERATE FROM LIKE SPECIFICALLY USED ON A PUBLIC RANGE.

IT WOULD HAVE COST MORE MONEY TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO FIT THE BUILDING IN THERE FOR THE INTAKE OF THE PUBLIC COMING ON AND A PLACE TO TRAIN THEM, TO CHECK THEM IN, TO GET OUT OF THE WEATHER OR WHATEVER. AGAIN, THE INITIAL DRAWING WITH THE MONEY WE HAD FOR DESIGN AND THEN HOPEFULLY FIT IN WITH THE BILL AT THE TIME WE WERE WORKING WITH THE CONSTRUCTION THIS WAS THE SIMPLEST WAY TO HEAD TO GET TO TASK ONE TO PROVIDE THE TRAINING SPACE. THE DRAWING ABOVE THAT, THE RECTANGLE THAT RUNS PARALLEL TO 215, THERE'S A PARKING LOT WITH THE OFFICE RESTROOM. THAT WOULD BE YOUR INTAKE BUILDING. THEN THE THREE STAGGERED RANGES.

TYPICALLY YOU WOULD SEE A 25 TORE 50 YARD METER RANGE.

BECAUSE OF THE SPACE WE HAD WE HAD THE ABILITY TO HAVE A LONG RIFLE RANGE WHICH WOULD BE UNIQUE TO RANGES.

THEY DON'T TYPICALLY HAVE THAT KIND OF SPACE.

BUT THAT WOULD BE PHASE 2. AS THE ATTORNEY STATED, WE WENT FORWARD WITH THE DESIGN FOR PHASE 1.

AT THAT TIME WE THOUGHT WE HAD FUNDS LOCKED DOWN FOR FUTURE YEARS. WE COULD HAVE PUT THAT OUT TO BID AFTER WE GOT THE BID PACKAGE.

THIS FIRST DESIGN. WE STILL CAN ENTERTAIN THE IDEA OF PUBLIC/PRIVATE PARTNERSHIPS FOR EITHER CONSTRUCTION OR JUST WAIT UNTIL WE GET IT DONE THEN TALK RFQ INFORMS MANAGEMENT AND LOOK FOR PHASE 2 FOR MORE OF THE GRAND PLAN TO MEET THE NEEDS OF THE COMMUNITY. JUST BASED ON THE LAID OUT AND REQUIREMENTS FOR RESTROOMS AND BUILDINGS TO OPERATE OUT FRONT.

>> COMMISSIONER: WHAT CONCERNS ME IS WE'VE COME UP WITH THIS DESIGN BASED ON THE IDEA THAT WE ONLY HAVE LIMITED FUNDS TO EXECUTE IT. IF WALT DISNEY WORLD WOULD COME IN HERE AND PROPOSE THE WHOLE PROJECT AND COME UP WITH LIKE A REALLY GOOD THING THAT WOULD BE MULTI-USE RANGES FOR EVERYBODY, IT MIGHT BE BETTER FOR THE WHOLE COUNTY.

I THINK MY OPINION IS I'D LIKE TO SEE SOMEBODY BID THIS-- LIKE TO SEE IT BID OUT AT THE SAME TIME.

I MEAN, WE'VE SPENT THE MONEY FOR THE DESIGN.

I'M NOT SUGGESTING WE THROW IT AWAY YET.

BUT WHAT I AM SUGGESTING IS LET'S SEE WHAT'S AVAILABLE.

WE'LL QUICKLY FIGURE THIS OUT IN A COUPLE OF MONTHS AND THEN BE ABLE TO EITHER CONTINUE TO STEAM DOWN THE ROAD WITH THIS ONE OR IF PRIVATE ENTITIES GOT ENOUGH FUNDING AND THEY WANT TO DO A BIGGER IDEA, LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT IT.

RATHER THAN US JUST SAYING OKAY THIS IS ALL WE CAN AFFORD LET'S JUST DO THIS SMALL ONE NOW THEN LATER ON OPEN IT UP.

BY THAT TIME THIS WILL BE THERE AND YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO MOVE IT

EASILY. >> I THINK WE HAVEN'T REALLY LOST ANYTHING WITH THE DESIGN ON THE FIRST SITE.

IF WE WANTED TO PAUSE AND ENTERTAIN THE IDEAS TO INCORPORATE THE SECOND DESIGN WHICH WOULD REALLY OPEN US UP TO EVERYONE AND THEN WE WOULD ALREADY HAVE THE FIRST DESIGN DONE AND LET THEM ENTERTAIN OF YOU ALREADY GOT THE DESIGN FOR THIS ONE, YOU CAN TALK TO US ABOUT PROPOSALS TO GET THE GRAND PLAN LIKE YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT IN PLACE INCLUDING THE CONSTRUCTION AND OPEN IT ALL UP AT ONCE.

I THINK BECAUSE WE HAD THE PROPERTY FOR A WHILE IT'S LIKE LOOK WE'VE BEEN SITTING ON THIS CAN WE FIGURE OUT A WAY TO GET TASK ONE, THE QUALIFICATION FOR THE LAW ENFORCEMENT IN PLACE.

THAT'S WHAT DROVE US TO MOVE ON THIS PIECE RIGHT NOW.

KNOWING ALL ALONG WE WERE GOING TO TRY TO MOVE TO THE BIGGER

PICTURE. >> COMMISSIONER: I THINK THE NEW WRINKLE IS THE PUBLIC/PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP AND AVAILABILITY POSSIBLY A LOT MORE MONEY TO DO THIS THAN WE HAD ORIGINALLY ANTICIPATED. I DON'T WANT TO GET IN THE WAY

OF THAT IF IT'S POSSIBLE. >> AS YOU SAY THAT WE'VE SPENT THE MONEY FOR THE DESIGN I DON'T THINK WE'VE LOST ANYTHING.

WE CAN HOLD ON TO THAT AND SAY WE HAVE THE DESIGN FOR THIS.

YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO TALK TO US ABOUT DESIGN CONSTRUCTION AND OPERATION OF THE SECOND PIECE.

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>> COMMISSIONER: I DON'T THINK WE OUGHT TO DO IT THAT WAY.

I THINK WE OUGHT TO SAY WE HAVE A DESIGN.

IF YOU'VE GOT A BETTER IDEA AND YOU ARE WILLING TO FUND IT, LET'S HEAR ABOUT IT. BUT CONCENTRATE ON TWO AND GIVE US AN ALTERNATE IDEA ON THE WHOLE THING.

I MEAN, WE'RE NOT GOING TO LOSE ANYTHING.

THIS IS THE CONCEPT WHERE YOU COME UP WITH AN IDEA, SPEND THE MONEY AND IN THE MIDDLE OF IT SOMEBODY ELSE COMES UP WITH A MUCH BETTER IDEA SO YOU END UP SCRAPPING THE FIRST THING AND GOING FOR IT BECAUSE IT IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO EVEN THOUGH IT'S GOING TO COST YOU MORE MONEY.

AND I THINKS THAT WHAT WE HAVE HERE.

I CONTINUE TO DO THIS. BUT, AT THE SAME TIME, LET'S GO OUT FOR BITS ON THE WHOLE THING AND LET SOMEBODY ELSE SEE IF THEY CAN COME UP WITH A BETTER IDEA.

WE'RE NOT GOING TO BUILD THIS FOR TWO OR THREE MONTHS YET.

>> WE WOULDN'T HAVE THE DESIGN UNTIL LATE OCTOBER.

>> COMMISSIONER: LET SOMEBODY ELSE TAKE AT IT AS WELL.

THEY KNOW WHAT WE'RE DOING. >> JUST SO BE CLEAR.

IF I AM UNDERSTANDING YOU CORRECTLY WE WOULD PUT TOGETHER THE REQUEST. UNDER THE STATUTE IT HAS TO BE OUT FOR A CERTAIN PERIOD OF TIME.

THEN WE WOULD SEND IT OUT FOR BID.

WE WILL THEN GET THOSE BACK. AND THEN WE WILL GO THROUGH THE PROCESS OF YOU DETERMINING IF YOU WANT TO SELECT THAT PERSON THEN THEY WILL-- IF YOU SELECT THEM TO DO IT THEY WILL GO OUT AND HIRE THE PEOPLE TO DO THE DESIGN FOR PHASE 1 AND PHASE 2?

>> COMMISSIONER: YEAH. I MEAN, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A DESIGN. IF WE DON'T LIKE WHAT WE GET BACK WE CONTINUE AND EXECUTE ON THIS.

IF WE SEE SOMETHING BETTER, I.E., SOMEBODY WILLING TO FUND THE WHOLE PROJECT, THEN WE TAKE A REAL HARD LOOK AT IT.

AND THAT DOESN'T LOSE ANY TIME EITHER.

IF SOMEBODY REALLY WANTS IN ON THIS, THEY CAN ANTE UP AND DO IT RIGHT. THAT'S HOW I WOULD.

>> MR. CHAIR JUST TO ADDRESS COMMISSIONER BOLLA AS CONCERNS.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS, IT'S GEOGRAPHICALLY LIMITED BY THE SIZE. YOU ALSO HAVE WETLANDS THAT YOU HAVE TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THAT'S ON THE PROPERTY.

YOU LOOK AT THE ORIENTATION OF THIS GUN RANGE.

YOU BY ALL MEANS DO NOT WANT TO SHOOT TOWARDS THE HIGHWAY IN ANY WAY. YOU KNOW, HERE.

SO THE ORIENTATION WITH THE SHAPE OF THE PROPERTY ITSELF PRETTY MUCH GIVES IT TO THIS, YOU KNOW, EAST-WEST KIND OF ORIENTATION OR NORTH-EAST SOUTH-WEST ORIENTATION.

IT WOULD BE LIKE LOOKING AT LAKE BUENA VISTA AND START WITH THAT AND GO WHERE ARE WE GOING TO PUT SPACE MOUNTAIN, GRINDSER ELLAEST A CASTLE. THOSE ARE THE GUCCI THINGS RIGHT. THE GUCCI THINGS IN THIS GRAPHIC ARE TO THE NORTH. THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT JAMES HAS PUT IN THERE. THERE'S ALSO SOME AREA TO THE SOUTH ON THE PART OF THE PROPERTY THAT COULD BE THOSE OTHER ASPECTS AND MAYBE EVEN FALL ON PHASES TO WHAT WOULD BE ACCOMPLISHED. I DON'T DISAGREE.

IF SOMEBODY HAD A BETTER PLAN OR ORIENTATION WITH THIS -- YOU KNOW WE WENT OUT WITH THIS WITH WHAT THE INTENT WAS WAS TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, A GUN RAKE. -- GUN RANGE.

NOW IT'S MUCH OF A GUCCI AND MORE WALT DISNEY WORLD TYPE OF GUN RANGE PERHAPS. BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT THOSE BUILDINGS WOULD HOUSE THOSE AREAS, INDOOR TRAINING, CLASSROOMS, A SHOP TO WHERE YOU COULD PURCHASE THE ROUNDS AND THOSE TYPE OF THINGS. REALLY WHAT YOU ARE SEEING HERE THAT'S ON THIS CHART IS JUST A WAY TO GET ON TO THE PROPERTY TO GET TO THAT PART OF THE LOCATION TO CONDUCT THE SHOOTING.

TO HAVE IT SAFELY DONE WITH THE BERMS. AND THE RESTROOMS THERE ALONG WITH THE PARKING LOT.

AND THAT'S REALLY IT. I MEAN, SO IT'S VERY GENERIC RIGHT NOW. IF SOMEBODY DID COME UP, I MEAN, WE WOULD ENTERTAIN THAT. IF THEY SAID WE NEED TO HAVE IT TO THE SOUTHERN PART OR SOMETHING AS THESE BIDS COME IN.

>> COMMISSIONER: WE'LL BUY THE PROPERTY ADJACENT TO THE

FACILITY TO MAKE IT BIGGER. >> YES, SIR.

SO, THERE'S SOME OTHER FACTORS THAT ARE ON THERE.

BUT, OF COURSE, WE'D BE WIDE OPEN.

THIS WAS AGAIN WE WEREN'T REALLY EXACTLY PLANNING ON BRIEFING YOU, YOU KNOW, THE PLANS TODAY. THESE AREN'T THE FINAL PLANS THAT WE'RE PAYING FOR. BUT IT'S JUST A CONCEPT AND TO MOVE FORWARD. I THINK THE WAY COURTNEY'S BRIEFED IT IT REALLY COMES INTO LOOKING AT IT IN PHASES PERHAPS.

OR WE JUST NEED GUIDANCE FROM THE BOARD ON WHETHER TO KEEP IT CONFIDENTIAL. RIGHT, COURTNEY.

>> IT'S REALLY WHETHER YOU WANT TO ACCEPT UNSOLICITED PROPOSAL FROM JUST ONE PERSON OR ONE ENTITY THEN SEND IT OUT FOR BID OR IF YOU WOULD JUST LIKE TO START WITH ALL BIDS.

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>> CHAIRMAN: THAT'S THE QUESTION YOU ARE ASKING TONIGHT?

>> YES, SIR. >> CHAIRMAN: WHAT'S THE DOWNSIDE

WITH GOING FOR ALL BIDS? >> IF THERE WAS PROPRIETARY INFORMATION FOR THOSE THAT HAVE COME TO THE BOARD AND THEY DID NOT WANT TO SHARE THAT PUBLICLY, THAT WOULD BE THE ONLY THING I

COULD THINK OF, COURTNEY >> I MEAN THE GENTLEMAN THAT'S GIVEN YOU THE PACKET, IT DIDN'T COMPLY WITH THE STATUTORY REQUIREMENTS. SO IT'S ALREADY PUBLIC

INFORMATION. >> COUPLE THINGS.

ONE I THINK WE KEEP OUR OPPORTUNITIES WIDE OPEN.

WE INCLUDE THIS AS PART OF THE RFP SAYING THIS IS A SUGGESTED PLAN WITH ENGINEERING THAT'S ALREADY DONE.

IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO INCORPORATE THAT IT'S ALREADY PAID OR AND DONE. JUST ADD ON TO IT.

IF YOU DON'T LIKE THAT START FROM ZERO BUT YOU ARE PRAYING FOR -- PAYING FOR THE ENGINEERING AND DESIGN ITSELF. I DON'T THINK IT HURTS US IN THAT REGARD.

ALSO I THINK WE NEED TO OPEN IT UP TO EVERYONE.

I DON'T THINK THAT THE PROPOSAL THAT WE GOT FROM CHARLES AND WAS IT ALAN? YEAH, ALAN, HAD A LOT OF PROPRIETARY INFORMATION. IT WAS BROAD STROKES IN TERMS OF WHAT THEIR GAME PLAN WAS. WE'RE GOING DO THIS AND THEN THIS AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SHARING AND OTHER AGENCIES COME IN. I THINK FOR US TO IDENTIFY THE VERY BEST PLAN FOR THE TAXPAYERS BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS SAVE TAX DOLLARS THAT WE'RE GOING TO SPEND ON THIS FACILITY AND USE THOSE SOMEWHERE ELSE.

I THINK WE NEED TO OPEN IT UP TO AS MANY POSSIBLE PEOPLE THAT WOULD BE INTERESTED THAT WE HAVE ALREADY EXPRESSED INTEREST AND SEE WHERE WE GO FROM THERE. IT MAY BE AFTER PEOPLE START DIGGING INTO IT IT MAY BE TOO MUCH FOR THEM AND THEY MAY NOT WANT TO DO THAT. SO, WE'LL SEE.

THAT WILL LIMIT THE MARKET PLACE AND TELL US HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE INTERESTED IN PURSUING THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT.

BUT, YOU KNOW, I THINK AT THE VERY LEAST WE WANT SOMEBODY TO COME IN AND SAY WE'RE GOING TO GIVE YOU SOMETHING.

IF NOT THEN WE'LL WAIT UNTIL THE CIP MONEYS ARE AVAILABLE THAT WE'VE ALREADY GOT ASSIGNED. AND BUILD IT ACCORDINGLY.

BUT THAT'S MY FEELING. WE CAN LEAVE IT OPEN AND MOVE TO

AS MANY PEOPLE AS POSSIBLE. >> CHAIRMAN: I CAN TELL YOU FROM THE FEW FOLKS THAT I KNOW ARE INTERESTED IN THIS, THEIR PROPOSAL IS GOING TO BE WE'LL BUILD IT BUT WE'D LIKE TO OPERATE IT AND THERE ARE COSTS INVOLVED TO GET BACK SOME OF THEIR INVESTMENT. THAT'S ALSO PART OF THE CONSIDERATION OVER AND ABOVE DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION.

>> RIGHT. AS PART OF THE STATUTORY REQUIREMENTS THAT WOULD BE THE DEAL THAT YOU WORK OUT WITH THEM IS THAT TIMEFRAME. BUT IN THE END UNDER THE STATUTE YOU GET TO OWN EVERYTHING. SO, EVEN THOUGH THEY MAY DESIGN IT AND EVEN THOUGH THEY MAY BUILD IT IN THE END YOU OWN

EVERYTHING. >> CHAIRMAN: COULDN'T HAVE SAID IT BETTER. THE COUNTY WILL OWN IT.

>> COMMISSIONER: AFTER A CERTAIN TIMEFRAME.

THAT'S THE NEGOTIATED. >> RIGHT.

WHAT TIME YOU WANT FOR THEM TO RUN IT.

>> COMMISSIONER: AND WE'LL HAVE THE LIABILITY ASSOCIATED WITH IT

TOO RIGHT? >> CHAIRMAN: THERE'S A WHOLE

PROCESS. >> WE HAVE LIABILITY.

>> COMMISSIONER: WITH A GUN RANGE YOU GOT LEAD CONTAMINATION

AND A LOT OF OTHER STUFF. >> CHAIRMAN: WHAT I AM CONCERNED WITH IF WE'RE DOING THIS IN PHASES AND SELECT A GROUP ANDK COME IN AND BUILD PHASE 1. IF THEY COME PRIOR TO STARTING CONSTRUCTION AND SAY IF YOU DID IT THIS WAY IT WOULD BE MUCH BETTER AND GOOD REASONS WHY, WOULD WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO CHANGE AT THAT TIME AND GO WITH THEIR PLAN AS OPPOSED TO OURS?

. >> YOU COULD CHANGE THE SCOPE OF WORK FOR THE ENGINEERING PACKAGE.

IT'S NOT IN STONE YET. >> CHAIRMAN: WE'RE NOT LOCKED IN

ON THIS. >> WELL WE ARE TO THE MONEY AGREED TO FOR THIS DESIGN. THAT WAS THE CONCEPT THEY WERE WORKING TOWARDS. I DON'T SEE ANY RADICAL CHANGES MYSELF. WE WENT THROUGH THIS FOR TWO YEARS. THIS GAVE US THE LONGEST RANGE.

WE WENT AND VISITED RANGES. WGI WHO IS ENGINEERING THIS FOR US HAS BUILT MUNICIPAL RANGES AROUND THE STATE.

THEY KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING. CONSULTED WITH THEM MANY TIMES ON THIS DESIGN FOR THIS AREA. AND THERE'S REALLY ONLY ONE DIRECTION TO SHOOT HERE. WITH PHASE 1 KEEPING IT SMALLER TO MEET THAT TASK ONE OF GETTING SOMETHING LAW ENFORCEMENT WAS THAT PASTURE THAT FIT IT BEST KNOWING THAT WE COULD GROW INTO THE WALT DISNEY VERSION OF A RANGE UP TO THE NORTH THERE.

>> CHAIRMAN: AND I WAS NOT SAYING THIS WAS A BAD DESIGN BY THE WAY. JUST SAYING--

>> RIGHT. IT'S BEEN STUDIED UPSIDE DOWN AND LEFT AND RIGHT. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF SOMEBODY HAD DIFFERENT IDEAS. THERE COULD BE DAVE IDEAS WHETHER THEY ARE BETTER DOESN'T MEAN THAT IT'S TRULY BETTER.

WE MET WITH THE FOLKS THAT WE INTENDED TO USE IT AND WE VISITED A RANGE FOR PEOPLE USING IT FOR THAT.

AND THAT'S LAW ENFORCEMENT QUALIFICATION AND WHAT THAT ARE

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NEEDS ARE AROUND THE STATE. >> COMMISSIONER: I WOULD APPLAUD CHARLES AND HIS GROUP FOR COMING UP WITH THE IDEA AND PUTTING IT FORWARD. UNFORTUNATELY WE'RE IN A POSITION WHERE WE CAN'T REWARD HIM FOR THAT.

BUT HOPEFULLY THEY'LL CONTINUE TO BE INTERESTED AND BID ON IT.

I THINK IT'S A GREAT INVESTMENT MYSELF.

AS A COUNTY COMMISSIONER, I DON'T THINK I CAN DO THAT.

>> RANGE OPERATION IS MUCH DIFFERENT THAN IT MAY FIRST APPEAR AS FAR AS PUSHING UP DIRT.

WE HAVE ALL THE ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERNS.

WE HAVE TO HAVE A LEAD MITIGATION PLAN.

THERE'S A WHOLE PROCESS AND PLAN TO THAT.

THE SAFETY. THE LIABILITY STUFF.

IT NEEDS TO BE HANDLED SERIOUSLY AND DONE PROFESSIONALLY.

THE PROPERTY IS 158 BUT YOU GOT TO TAKE ALL OF THAT WETLANDS SECTION OUT OF THE MIDDLE. BUT IF YOU SEE AT THE BOTTOM OF THE SCREEN WHERE IT SAYS PROPOSED LAKE.

THAT'S A HUGE SECTION THERE TO EACH SIDE OF THAT LETTERING THAT WE STILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITIES TO DO SOMETHING FOR PUBLIC SAFETY LATER. AS YOU KNOW THERE'S A CHURCH UP IN THAT CORNER AND THAT'S ANOTHER REASON WHY WE KNEW THAT THE BEST THING FOR RANGE LAYOUT WAS TO PUSH IT AWAY FROM THE ROAD, AWAY FROM THE CHURCH AND BE SHOOTING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. EVERYTHING BEHIND THAT IS CONSERVATION AND CAMP LANDING. THE ORIENTATION IS FINE.

AGAIN THE TOP SIDE WAS ONLY THE ROUGHEST OF CONCEPTS.

ONLY THING WE REALLY HAVE STARTED ON NOW AS FAR AS DESIGN

IS THAT PHASE 1 YOU SEE. >> COMMISSIONER: THE OTHER ASPECT IS IF THEY'RE SHARP BUSINESS PEOPLE WHICH I'M SURE THEY WOULD BE IS SOMEBODY'S ALREADY PAID FOR A DESIGN AND ENGINEERING AND YOU CAN JUST ADOPT THAT AND IT SAVES YOU MONEY FROM THE GET-GO THEN YOU CAN SORT OF INCORPORATE YOUR PLAN AROUND IT. SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE LEAVE IT OPEN AND IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO SPEND ADDITIONAL MONEYS TO REENGINEER IT AND IT LOOKS LIKE IT WILL FIT OUR PLANS, THEN IF THEY'RE PAYING FOR IT LET THEM GO DO THAT.

> CHAIRMAN: NEEDLESS TO SAY WE WOULD HAVE NO FIRE TIME FROM 8 TO NOON ON SUNDAY. IS THAT CORRECT?

>> WHATEVER YOU SAY SIR. [LAUGHTER]

>> COMMISSIONER: WE JUST MADE SUPPRESSORS EASIER FOR PEOPLE TO

USE AND IT WOULD BE QUIETER. >> COMMISSIONER: YOU CAN SHAKE THE BACKYARD IN ORANGE PARK BUT YOU CAN'T SHOOT HERE.

>> NOTHING ABOVE 45 CALIBER ON SUNDAY MORNINGS.

>> COMMISSIONER: MY MAIN INPUT WOULD BE THAT LET'S USE THE ADVANTAGES OF A PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP TO SPEED THIS UP.

THAT'S THE BIG THING I WOULD SAY.

THAT I DON'T KNOW THAT THIS IS A GOOD OR BAD PLAN.

I'M NOT AN EXPERT ON THAT. BUT I KNOW THAT GENERALLY GOVERNMENT FUNDS ARE TIGHT. IF WE CAN PARTNER WITH A PRIVATE COMPANY I KNOW GUN SALES ARE HISTORIC HIGHS.

AND WHAT THAT MEANS IS A LOT OF PEOPLE NEED A PLACE TO LEARN HOW TO SAFELY FIRE. SO THIS IS REALLY A THING THAT'S NECESSARY FOR THE PUBLIC TO LEARN HOW TO USE THEIR FIREARM SAFELY IF THEY HAVE TO EVER USE IT TO DEFEND THEIR FAMILY.

SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE EMPHASIS PLACED ON SPEED ON WHATEVER WE DO AS OPPOSED TO WORKING WITH THE PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP AS OPPOSED TO TEN YEARS FROM NOW.

>> COMMISSIONER: IF WE GO AFTER BIDS WHAT'S THE TIMELINE LOOK

LIKE ON THAT? >> FOR PHASE 1 OR THE--

>> COMMISSIONER: GO AFTER THE PARTNERSHIP DEAL.

>> AND YOU WANT A PHASE 1, PHASE 2, DESIGN, CONSTRUCTION,

MANAGEMENT. >> COMMISSIONER: THE WHOLE NINE YARDS. THIS IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE ONE OF OUR PARKS THAT WE GIVE AWAY FOR A BUCK AFTER WE BUILD IT IN MY OPINION. AND IF THEY FINANCE IT WE MAY HAVE TO TIE UP MONEY OR TIME SO THEY RECOVER THEIR INVESTMENT AND THAT'S PART OF THE REASON I AM IN FAVOR OF LETTING THEM HAVE AN OAR IN THE WATER ON THE DESIGN.

THEY GOT TO MAKE MONEY WITH THIS AT THE END OF THE DAY.

BUT HOW LONG A DEAL IS IT TO GET THAT OFF AND GROUND AND OUT IN THE PUBLIC ARENA SO WE CAN START GETTING PEOPLE TO TAKE A HARD

LOOK. >> LOOKS LIKE WE COULD PUT IT OUT HERE-- WHAT TWO WEEKS. I MEAN, WE HAVE A LOT OF THIS IS ALREADY FIGURED. THEN PROBABLY FROM START TO FINISH NOW 90 DAYS IS WHAT WE ESTIMATE.

SO THAT WOULD GET THE BIDS BACK IN, OPEN THEM UP AND TAKE A LOOK AT IT. MEANTIME PARALLEL WILL KEEP

PURSUING PHASE 1. >> COMMISSIONER: AND PHASE 1 IS NOT READY TO DIG SO WE'RE STILL IN GOOD SHAPE.

>> COMMISSIONER: IF WE PUT IT OUT DOES IT GET ANY FASTER AND WE PICK A UNIQUE PROPOSAL AS YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT AT THE FIRST

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OPTION? >> WELL UNDER THE STATUTE IT WOULD BE AN UNSOLICITED PROPOSAL.

THEY WOULD-- ONCE YOU RECEIVE THAT WE WOULD PROBABLY USE THAT TO FIGURE OUT YOUR PARAMETERS TO SEND IT OUT FOR BID.

THEN YOU SEND IT OUT FOR BID. I THINK IT'S JUST EFFICIENT-- I THINK IT WOULD BE HARDER FOR YOU BECAUSE WE'VE HAD NUMEROUS PEOPLE COME TALK FOR YOU TO DECIDE WHO IS YOUR UNSOLICITED PROPOSALS. I THINK IT WOULD BE--

>> COMMISSIONER: BETTER TO JUST PUT IT OUT TO EVERYBODY.

>> CHAIRMAN: OKAY. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS FOR JAMES OR COURTNEY? LET'S BUILD A FIRE UNDER THIS,

JAMES. >> COMMISSIONER: IS THAT A PUN

INTENDED. >> CHAIRMAN: KIND OF.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION, SIR.

>> COMMISSIONER: PULL THE TRIGGER ON THIS.

>> CHAIRMAN: ITEM 14. DISCUSSION APPROVAL OF THE APPROVAL OF COUNTIES PURCHASING. HOWEVER WE ARE AT 5:00 TIME CERTAIN SO WE'LL STOP AND PICK BACK ONE THAT.

>> I WAS ASKED IF A VOTE WAS NEEDED.

WE'VE GOT A FRACTION. WE'LL TAKE IT AND BE ABLE TO GIVE YOU UPDATES, BRIEFS IN THE FOLLOW ON BOARD MEETINGS.

WITH REGARDS TO ITEM 13 AND THE GUN RANGE.

>> CHAIRMAN: OKAY. ITEM 14.

YOU WERE SPEAKING TO 14. >> WE'LL HAVE TO GO TO

TIME-CERTAINS NOW. >> CHAIRMAN: I THOUGHT THAT'S WHAT I SAID. ANYWAY.

[22.  5:00 Time Certain or as soon thereafter as can be heard - Public hearing on the adoption of an Ordinance amending Article IV of Chapter 2 of the Clay County Code, known as the Code Enforcement Ordinance of Clay County, Florida, to revise Section 2-118 thereof pertaining to Abandoned Properties and additional approval of the First Amendment to Agreement/Contract #2018/2019-113 with Property Registration Champions, LLC, d/b/a Prochamps, for the purpose of clarifying Chapter 2, Article IV, Section 2-118 of the Clay County Code of Ordinances and addressing registration renewal frequency, with all other original terms and conditions remaining in full force and effect. (C. Stewart)]

PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE ADOPTION OF ORDINANCE AMENDING ARTICLE 4, CHAPTER 2 OF THE CLAY COUNTY CODE.

WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE. THE LAST TIME WE AMENDED THIS

WAS 2006 MAYBE? >> NO SIR.

SO THIS IS A DIFFERENT PORTION OF THAT.

THIS IS TALKING ABOUT PRO CHAMPS WHICH IS WHO WE USE.

SO A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN SOME OF THE OTHER ISSUES.

WHAT WE'VE GOT HERE IS WE'RE GOING TO HOPE FOR YOU GUYS TO AMEND ARTICLE 4 OF CHAPTER 2 OF OUR CODE.

AND IN DOING SO IT'S GOING TO PERTAIN ESSENTIALLY TO SOME VERBIAGE IT'S TALKING ABOUT OUR ABANDONED PROPERTIES AND WE'RE GOING TO ASK FOR ADDITIONAL APPROVAL OF THE FIRST AMENDMENT TO THE AGREEMENT OF THE CONTRACT 2018-19-113 WITH PROPERTY REGISTRATION CHAMPIONS ALSO KNOWN AS PRO CHAMPS.

BY THE WAY I HAVE MR. DINO HICKS AND MR. SCOTT BLAZER HERE TODAY AS WELL REPRESENTING PRO CHAMPS. SO IF WE HAVE QUESTIONS SPECIFICALLY FOR THEM WE CAN ANSWER THEM.

ESSENTIALLY WHAT WE'RE HERE FOR IS TO CLARIFY PARTS OF CHAPTER 2 AND ALSO TO ADDRESS REGISTRATION RENEWAL FREQUENCY.

SO WHAT WE'RE ASKING TO DO CURRENTLY WE HAVE THOSE FOLKS REGISTERED ONCE A YEAR. SO IT'S ANNUAL.

IT'S A $200 FEE. THE COUNTY GETS $100 OF THAT.

PRO CHAMPS GETS $100 OF THAT FOR PROVIDING THAT SERVICE.

SO IT'S NO COST TO THE COUNTY. IT IS A SMALL MONEY MAKER FOR THE COUNTY. THE PURPOSE IS WE THEN KNOW WHAT PROPERTIES HAVE BEEN REGISTERED AND ARE GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS OF FORECLOSURE. SO WHAT WE'RE ASKING IN THIS IS FOR THAT TO GO TO EVERY SIX MONTHS JUST TO MAKE IT REALLY MORE TIMELY AND MORE ACCURATE AS TO WHAT'S GOING ON IN OUR COMMUNITY. COURTNEY, DID I MISS ANYTHING?

ANY QUESTIONS? >> COMMISSIONER: I ASKED THE ATTORNEY TO CHECK INTO THE ISSUE IF WE CAN MAKE THE REGISTER REGISTRATION PERSON, LIKE THE BANK.

THE WAY THIS NORMALLY WORKS IS WHEN A PROPERTY IS FORECLOSED ON THE BANK DOES NOT TAKE TITLE. THE PEOPLE WHO HIDE THE PROPERTY WHO ARE KICKED OUT BY THE BANK STILL OWN IT.

IT GOES FALLOW. WE GET A LOT OF CODE VIOLATIONS AND THERE'S NOBODY TO HANG THE VIOLATIONS ON EXCEPT THE OWNERS.

WHAT I AM ASKING IS CAN WE DO SOMETHING WITH THE REGISTER PROCESS WHEREBY WHEN THE BANK SIGNS UP WITH THE REGISTRATION, AND THEY KICK THE OWNER OUT CAN THEY ASSUME RESPONSIBILITY FOR MAINTAINING THE PROPERTY UNTIL THEY GET RID OF IT.

THEY DON'T TAKE TITLE TO THE PROPERTY AND I UNDERSTAND THAT BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT TO DECLARE A BAD LOAN ON THEIR BOOKS. BUT SOME OF THESE THINGS SIT AROUND FOR YEARS BEFORE ANYTHING HAPPENS.

AND IN THE MEANTIME WE'VE GOT WEEDS GROWING UP AND WE'VE GOT HOMEOWNERS CALLING US RIGHT AND LEFT TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.

AND WHAT I AM ASKING IS CAN WE DO ANYTHING WITH THIS REGISTRATION PROCESS WHERE WE PASS THAT RESPONSIBILITY TO MAINTAIN THAT FROM THE POINT THEY SIGN OFF TO THE TIME THEY

GET RID OF THE PROPERTY? >> WE CAN LET SCOTT ADDRESS THAT FROM PRO CHAMPS. BUT SPECIFICALLY AS PART OF THE ORDINANCE WHEN THEY REGISTER IT REQUIRES THEM TO TAKE OVER THE

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AND WHAT SCOTT CAN TELL YOU THAT IN HIS EXPERIENCE THAT BECAUSE HE HAS REGISTERED THEN WHEN THE PROPERTY IF FOR SOME REASON IT NEEDS MAINTENANCE AND THEY AREN'T FOLLOWING UP ON IT BECAUSE HE HAS THE CONTACTS WITH THE REGISTRATION THAT HE IS ACTUALLY THE ONE WHO MOVES FORWARD AND MAKES THEM

ACCOMPLISH IT. >> COMMISSIONER: AND IF THEY

DON'T? >> COMMISSIONER: THE GUN RANGE.

[LAUGHTER] >> CHAIRMAN: STEP ON UP, SIR.

>> THANK YOU. MADE THE FOUR HOUR DRIVE WORTHWHILE. IT'S BEEN A PLEASURE WORKING WITH SHARICE AND COURTNEY HERE. CAN I? OKAY GREAT. I HATE THESE THINGS.

>> COMMISSIONER: DON'T TALK TOO LOUD.

>> SPEAKER: FOR THE RECORD SCOTT BLAZY.

I'VE BEEN WITH PRO CHAMPS SINCE 2011.

I AM A CAREER CODE OFFICIAL. GREAT QUESTIONS.

PUBLIC/PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP. THIS IS ONE OF THE FINEST I'VE EVER EXPERIENCED. SINCE WE BEGAN WITH YOU FOLKS I THINK IN '14, YES WE'VE REMITTED ALMOST A MILLION DOLLARS BACK TO THE COUNTY AS YOUR SHARE OF THE REGISTRATION FEES.

IT'S NOT ABOUT THE FEES. ONE THING YOU ARE DOING WITH THE ORDINANCE TONIGHT IS YOU ARE IMPROVING THE EFFECTIVENESS OF YOUR ORDINANCE BY OVER 50 PERCENT.

WHICH WILL ADDRESS SOME OF YOUR CONCERNS.

BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THE BANKS VIEW YOUR ORDINANCE BASICALLY AS A VOLUNTARY. BECAUSE THEY KNOW THAT SHARICE AND HER TEAM DON'T HAVE THE TIME TO CHASE DOWN HUNDREDS OF DEFAULTED PROPERTIES EVERY MONTH TO SEE WHICH ONES ARE VACANT AND WHICH ARE OCCUPIED. SO, ESSENTIALLY WHAT THAT DOES, NOW YOU ARE IN A PROACTIVE MODE WHERE WE NOTIFY THE BANKS THAT THEY HAVE TO REGISTER UPON FILING THE PUBLIC NOTICE OF DEFAULT WHICH SETS OFF A CHAIN REACTION WITHIN THE INDUSTRY WHICH ULTIMATELY LEADS TO PROPERTY PRESERVATION COMPANIES GOING BY THE PROPERTY ONCE A MONTH TO SEE IF IT'S VACANT.

THEY'RE MOTIVATED TO DO THAT BECAUSE ONCE IT BECOMES VACANT THEY GOT A JOB. THEY'VE GOT MORE JOBS RIGHT.

SO I CALL IT VOLUNTARILY. IT'S NOT REALLY VOLUNTARILY BECAUSE WE'RE PUSHING THE PROCESS.

BUT THE AMOUNT OF COMPLIANCE FROM PROPERTY MAINTENANCE PROSPECT THEY'VE OCCURS WITH THIS ORDINANCE UPGRADE IS GOING TO BE PROBABLY 80-90 PERCENT. AND YOU ARE GOING TO MORE THAN DOUBLE YOUR REGISTRATIONS RIGHT NOW.

YOUR ORDINANCE IS OPERATING AT ABOUT A 30 PERCENT REGISTRATION CAPACITY. BECAUSE OF THE VACANT REQUIREMENT. AND YOU ARE ONE OF THE FEW-- WE'VE GOT 250 COMMUNITY PARTNERS ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

ABOUT 62 IN FLORIDA. YOU ARE ONE OF THE VERY FEW STILL THAT HAVE THE DEFAULT AND VACANT BEFORE YOU HAVE TO REGISTER. AND TRUST ME WE HAVE PROPERTY REGISTRATION FOLKS FROM THE BIG BANKS WORKING FOR US.

>> COMMISSIONER: HOW STUPID ARE WE HUH?

>> THEY'LL TELL YOU RIGHT NOW, IF IT REQUIRES VACANCY, IT WILL REGISTER, MAYBE THE SERVICER DOES IT BY JUST MOTION.

SO, YOUR ORDINANCE HOPEFULLY IF YOU APPROVE THE UPGRADES WHICH WILL MAKE YOU BASICALLY AMONG OUR OTHER 250 IN TERMS OF BEST PRACTICE APPLICATIONS. THE SEMI ANNUAL IS NOT ABOUT THE MONEY. IT ENSURES WE REVIEW ALL THE PUBLIC RECORD FILINGS TWICE A YEAR TO MAKE SURE WHEN SHARICE'S STAFF CALLS A MORTGAGE SERVICER TO GET A PROPERTY MAINTENANCE VIOLATION ADDRESS THAT SERVICER IS MOST LIKELY GOING TO BE STILL THE SERVICER. I BROUGHT AN ARTICLE TONIGHT THAT BASICALLY SAYS MORTGAGE SEVICING IS TRADED LIKE A TEENAGER TRADES BASEBALL CARDS. IT'S TRUE MORTGAGE SERVICING TRADES ALL THE TIME. MORTGAGES IS BOUGHT AND SOLD ALL THE TIME. BUT NOT AS FREQUENTLY AS SERVICER. WE HAD SOME GOOD CONVERSATIONS THE LAST COUPLE DAYS WITH COURTNEY AND SHARICE.

I DID FORWARD SOME-- THERE ARE COMMUNITIES IN FLORIDA-- IT IS A LITTLE DEBATABLE ON THE LEGAL SIDE BUT THERE ARE COMMUNITIES IN FLORIDA THAT ARE DOING NUISANCE ABATEMENT.

NOW REMEMBER THIS IS KIND OF LIKE A TOOLBOX.

WE'RE A HUGE PART OF IT WITH FORECLOSURE PROPERTIES.

THEN THE NUISANCE ABATEMENT IS THE CLEAN UP TOOLS.

THE BROOM AND LITTLE DUST PAN TO CATCH THOSE REMAINERS AS WELL AS US TAKING ESCALATIONS AND GETTING THINGS DONE.

BUT THERE ARE COMMUNITIES IN FLORIDA THAT ARE DOING NUISANCE ABATEMENT AND PUTTING THOSE COSTS AGAINST THE TAXES FOR THE PROPERTY. SPECIAL ASSESSMENT LIENS AGAINST THE TAXES FOR THE PROPERTY. SO, THEY'RE COLLECTED EVERY YEAR. WHICH ALWAYS WARMS MY HEART BECAUSE MOST OF MY NUISANCE ABATEMENT FEES FOR THE TWAR YEARS I DID THIS, THEY DISAPPEAR.

WE MAY HAVE GOTTEN A FEW HERE AND THERE.

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EVERYTHING YOU ARE DOING TONIGHT IS PUTTING YOU IN BEST PRACTICE MODE. WE APPRECIATE YOUR PARTNERSHIP AND LOOK FORWARD TO WE'RE GOING TO ACTUALLY WORK A LITTLE MORE CLOSELY TOGETHER SO THAT VICE AND HER TEAM CAN TAKE FULL ADVANTAGE OF THE TOOLS THAT WE DO PROVIDE.

IT WILL TAKE SOME WORK OFF HER PLATE SO SHE CAN FOCUS ON OTHER

ISSUES. >> COMMISSIONER: WHERE'S THE POINT OF DIMINISHING RETURNS ON THIS? IF TWICE A YEAR IS GOOD, IS FOUR TIMES A YEAR BETTER?

>> SPEAKER: WE'VE NOT CALCULATED THAT OUT.

WE'RE PRETTY COMFORTABLE WITH TWICE A YEAR.

WE'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR 11 YEARS.

AND WE SEE THE FREQUENCY. AND WE PICKED UP ON SEMI ANNUAL BECAUSE WE TALKED TO FOLKS LIKE SHARICE WHO SAY I CALLED A MORTGAGE SERVICER AND THEY SAID POUND SAND WE DON'T HAVE YOU IT ANYMORE. IF THEY'RE CHANGING HANDS MORE MAN THAT GOD BLESS THEM BUT WE'LL CATCH UP WITH THEM.

I MEAN, ALL SHARICE HAS TO DO IS GO TO LIVE CHAT AND SAY TRACK THIS DOWN FOR US AND WE'LL FIND THE CURRENT SERVICER.

TAT'S WHY WE'RE THERE. IF THERE'S A REALLY BAD PROBLEM, SOMEBODY MENTIONED HIGH WEEDS AND NOTHING GETSING DONE, ESCALATE IT TO US. I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN GETTING NEW ROOFS ON BUILDINGS. SOUP TO NUTS.

WE'RE WORKING FOR YOU SO SHARICE AND HER TEAM CAN GO ABOUT DOING HER OTHER STUFF AND LEAVE THIS PART TO US AND WE SEND YOU A CHECK EVERY MONTH. THAT'S THE BEST PITCH I GOT.

>> COMMISSIONER: SOUNDS GOOD. DO TEENAGERS STILL TRADE

BASEBALL CARDS? >> SPEAKER: YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW THAT. I KNOW I DID.

>> COMMISSIONER: I DID GROWING UP BUT I WASN'T SURE.

>> COMMISSIONER: ACTUALLY DURING THE COVID PANDEMIC IT'S COME

BACK. >> SPEAKER: VIRTUAL TRADING.

THANKS AGAIN. >> CHAIRMAN: SOUND LIKE YOU ARE

SOLD ON THIS. >> YES, SIR, I AM.

>> COMMISSIONER: I'M SOLD ON THE CHECK EVERY MONTH.

>> CHAIRMAN: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR SHARICE?

>> COMMISSIONER: MOVE FOR APPROVAL.

>> COMMISSIONER: SECOND. >> COMMISSIONER: WE HAVE TO HEAR

MR. OTTO FIRST. >> WE HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING.

>> I DIDN'T SEE YOU WAVING OVER THERE.

>> I'M SORRY. MR. OTTO? HEAR ME? YES, SIR.

THANK YOU. I'D LIKE TO BRING UP THE COMMENT THAT WAS MADE THAT THE COUNTY IS NOT GETTING RICH BY THE STAFF.

THAT'S WHAT THE STAFF SAID IN PRIOR MEETINGS.

BUT THIS IS A CITIZENS PROPERTY THAT SHE IS TALKING OF.

IF THIS IS NOT HAZARDOUS ISSUES, THIS IS TOO MUCH BIG BROTHER.

THERE WOULD BE NO EXTRA HELP NEEDED.

BUT YES WE NEED HELP IN ANIMAL CONTROL.

THEY'RE NOT 24/7. I'D LIKE TO BRING YOUR ATTENTION TO MR. FINNEY WHO TALKED TO THE GRASS WHAT SEEDS OUT WHEN IT GETS TALLER. THAT'S ON A STREAMING VIDEO.

I'D LIKE TO ALSO TALK ABOUT MR. SMITH WHO TALKED OF THE CLAY COUNTY DUMP THAT'S NEEDED. NOT THE CITIZENS PROPERTIES.

HE KEPT SAYING STUFF OVER AND OVER ABOUT THAT.

LEGAL AND CLAY COUNTY IS AN ISSUE.

WE HAVE ORDINANCES, FEDERAL APPROVAL AT ZERO PERCENT.

MANY HAVE TRIED. YOU KNOW, ALL THE PROPERTIES SHOULD BE EXTENDED TO DECEMBER WITH NO HAZARDS.

IF THEY'RE NOT HAZARDOUS PROPERTY.

INCLUDING THE ORDINANCE. SORRY MR. BOLLA.

I KNOW THIS IS ONE OF YOUR PET PEEVES BUT I DO BELIEVE THAT THESE ARE THE CITIZENS PROPERTIES AND I DO THINK IF WE ORGANIZE SOME KIND OF HELP THESE PEOPLE CAN GET THEIR PROPERTIES CLEANED UP. LIKE THE ELDERLY AND OTHER FOLKS LIKE THAT. BUT IT HAS DEFINITELY NOT BEEN PLEASANT FOR ME FOR 16 YEARS DEALING WITH SHERYL MILLER AND MR. STEWART. SO I WOULD SINCERELY ASK THE BOARD TO RELOOK AT THIS INCLUDING THE VIDEO OF HER PRETENDING DRIVING DOWN THE ROAD LOOKING OUT THE WINDOW.

SO, YOU KNOW, WE NEED BETTER STAFF.

AND THAT'S TEACHING OUR KIDS THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT MIGHT NOT

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KIDS. >> COMMISSIONER: WE HAVEN'T ENJOYED WORKING WITH YOU, MR. OTTO.

SO THE FEELING IS MUTUAL. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: I DIDN'T

HEAR. >> COMMISSIONER: I SAID WE HAVE NOT ENJOYED WORKING WITH YOU SO THE FEELING IS MUTUAL.

>> PUBLIC SPEAKER: WE CAN GO INO THAT IN FURTHER IF YOU EVER SHOW UP TO MY PROPERTY BUT YOU'VE BEEN PRETTY ABSENT SO, YOU KNOW, WE COULD GO ON AND ON ABOUT THAT WITH YOU KICKING ME OUT OF THE MEETING TOO UNJUSTLY. BUT I'D ASK THE CITIZENS TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT MR. SMITH'S COMMENTS ON STREAMING VIDEO.

>> CHAIRMAN: YOUR TIME'S UP. WE APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS,

SIR. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: YES, SIR, CHAIR. THANK YOU.

>> CHAIRMAN: YEP. NOW BACK TO THE BOARD.

>> COMMISSIONER: MOVE FOR APPROVAL.

>> COMMISSIONER: SECOND. >> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS WILL YOU SPLIT THE ORDINANCE SEPARATE FROM THE CONTRACT REVISION.

>> COMMISSIONER: MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF THE ORDINANCE SEPARATE FROM THE CONTRACT PROVISION.

>> COMMISSIONER: SECOND. >> CHAIRMAN: WE GOT TWO MOTIONS AND TWO SECONDS. THAT WRAPS UP ITEM 22 PRETTY IT

TIGHTLY. >> SO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS MOTION AND THEN COMMISSIONER ROLLINS CAN MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF THE FIRST AMENDMENT TO THAT AGREEMENT.

>> CHAIRMAN: ALL RIGHT. I THINK THE ORIGINAL MOTION AND SECOND WAS TO ADDRESS THE FIRST PART OF THAT.

ALL IN FAVOR ON THAT SAY AYE? AYE.

OPPOSED? >> COMMISSIONER: NOW I MOVE APPROVAL OF THE CONTRACT ADDENDUM AS STATED BY COUNTY

ATTORNEY. >> COMMISSIONER: SECOND.

>> CHAIRMAN: FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE.

OPPOSED? SO DONE.

THANK YOU. ITEM 23 TO CHANGE 42 PARCELS

[23.  5:00 Time Certain or as soon thereafter as can be heard - Final Public Hearing to Adopt CPA 2020-02 to change 42 parcels from Rural Residential to Rural Fringe]

>> SPEAKER: IT IS IN MR. ROLLINS DISTRICT THAT'S WHY HIS NAME IS ON THAT THERE. IT'S 42 PARCELS WITH 47.09 ACRES. TRANSMITTED APPROVED UNANIMOUSLY IN MAY AND WE'RE HERE TO ADOPT IT.

STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL. THE STATE HAD NO COMMENTS OR

CONCERNS ABOUT THE PROPOSAL. >> CHAIRMAN: THE OVERALL QUESTION OF IS THIS TO PUT HOUSES IN THERE.

>> TO BRING THOSE OUTLIERS IN COMPLIANCE.

RIGHT NOW THEY'RE NON-CONFORMING.

AGAIN YOU HEARD THIS IN MAY FOR TRANSMITTAL AND APPROVED IT.

>> CHAIRMAN: THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION?

>> APPROVAL. >> COMMISSIONER: ALONG WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION. BUT I THINK WE HAVE TO DO A PUBLIC HEARING ON IT FIRST RIGHT.

>> YES WE DO. >> CHAIRMAN: QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? NONE.

YOUR PLEASURE? >> WE HAVE TO DO A PUBLIC

HEARING. >> CHAIRMAN: PUBLIC HEARING? I ALWAYS FORGET THAT. THAT ANYONE WANTS TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM I HAVE NO CARDS TO ADDRESS IT.

MR. OTTO IS BACK WITH US? OKAY MR. OTTO.

>> PUBLIC SPEAKER: HELLO. DID YOU CALL ME ON? I'M SORRY. CAN YOU HEAR ME SIR?

>> CHAIRMAN: YES. GO AHEAD.

>> PUBLIC SPEAKER: SORRY I GOT DISCONNECTD. I AM GOING TO BE REAL SHORT ON THIS ONE. I DON'T BELIEVE THAT WE NEED TO CHANGE THE ZONING. LET ME MAKE SURE I'M ON THE RIGHT ONE. I'M SORRY THAT'S 42.

I STILL WANT TO TALK ON THIS ONE SIR.

IN REFERENCE, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A CHANGE FOR THESE 42 PARCELS.

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THEY DIDN'T EVEN LET US DO PUBLIC COMMENT WHEN YOU HAD COMMENTS THERE AT THE BOARD MEETING THERE.

I DON'T HAVE ANY FAITH. THERE'S A COUPLE OF THEM DOES REAL GOOD AND A COUPLE OTHER ONES THERE.

MR. BUCK HAVEN. BUT I REALLY THINK THAT ALL THESE AGENDA ITEMS COMING THROUGH THE PLANNING SHOULD BE GOING IN FRONT OF THE BOARD IN THEIR ENTIRETY.

AND UNTIL WE HAVE OUR SIDEWALKS AND OUR STREETS OUT OF THE RED AND I'M NOT PUSHING FOR THE $129 MILLION.

I THINK THAT'S SLOW GROWTH IS BETTER GROWTH AND YOU KEEP THE LOCAL JOBS RATHER THAN PUSHING EVERYTHING RIGHT NOW.

SO THE BOARD AND I HAVE A TOTALLY DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE OF THAT. BUT, I MEAN, THIS HAS ALREADY BEEN ZONED. WE HAVE A PROBLEM WHEN THEY COME AND CHANGE THE ZONING. CHANGE THE ZONINGMENT CHANGE THE ZONING. WE REALLY NEED THE SIDEWALKS.

WE REALLY NEED SOME LIGHTING. WE REALLY NEED SOME ISSUES.

AND IF THEY CAN'T DEAL WITH WHAT THEY'VE DONE WITH THEIR PROPERTY THEY SHOULD HAVE DONE ITTEN SOAR.

IT'S NOT THE COUNTY'S RESPONSIBLE TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN FOR THEM. THEY COULD HAVE DID IT EARLIER.

WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE. WE DON'T HAVE THE CAPACITY AND IT'S NOT RIGHT TO PUSH IT ON ROLLINS DISTRICT TO PAY FOR TWO DIFFERENT DISTRICTS TO GET MOST OF THIS FUNDING FOR THOSE PEOPLE THAT OWN THE PROPERTY IN THE FLEMING ISLAND.

THANK GOD WE'VE GOT GREEN SPRINGS COVE.

I'M GOING TO STOP THERE AND TURN IT BACK OVER TO YOU, SIR.

I WAS GOING TO MAKE IT SHORT AND I'M GOING ON. SO THANK YOU.

>> CHAIRMAN: >> COMMISSIONER: I'LL PROVE FOR

APPROVAL. >> COMMISSIONER: SECOND.

>> CHAIRMAN: FURTHER QUESTIONS? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

AYE. OPPOSED.

[24.  5:00 Time Certain or as soon thereafter as can be heard - Public Hearing To Consider Rezoning Application Z-20-06 BA-2 To BB-3 (PC Vote 7-0 to Deny)]

THE PUBLIC HEARING TO RECONSIDER ZONING APPLICATION Z-20-06-BA2

TO B B-3. >> COMMISSIONER: THAT'S TWAR.

>> CHAIRMAN: WHAT DID I SAY? >> COMMISSIONER: 25.

>> CHAIRMAN: I'M SORRY. THANK YOU.

TWAR. >> REQUESTING CHANGE OF ZONING.

THE PARCEL IS APPROXIMATELY 2.55 ACRES LOCATED IN THE FUTURE LAND USE CATEGORY. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING CHANGE IN ZONING TO DEVELOP THE PROPERTY FOR AUTO SALES AND A TOWING BUSINESS. HAVING SOME TECHNICAL DIFFICULTY. SURROUNDING ZONINGS TO THE NORTH PS1. TO THE SOUTH IS BA2.

AND TO THE WEST IS AR. THIS IS AN AERIAL VIEW OF THE SITE. THE STAFF REVIEWED THE APPLICATION AND DETERMINED THE REQUEST IS CONSISTENT WITH THE AREA. WITH THAT WE RECOMMENDED APPROVAL. HOWEVER THE PLANNING VOTED TO DENY THE PROPOSAL. RECOMMENDATION IT WOULD BE OUT OF CHARACTER FOR THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD.

>> CHAIRMAN: OKAY. THE APPLICANT IS HERE.

MR. BROOKS, DO YOU WANT TO ADDRESS THE BOARD PLEASE.

>> SPEAKER: THANK YOU. I'VE HAD THIS PROPERTY OUT THERE FOR SEVERAL YEARS AND NOT DONE ANYTHING WITH IT.

I NEED TO DO SOMETHING WITH IT. AND I HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY NOW IF

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IT'S BA NOW OR BA2. LAND USE CHANGE IS COMMERCIAL.

AND HOPEFULLY YOU'LL SEE FIT TO GRANT THIS REQUEST TO CHANGE THE ZONING. I'LL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS

ANYBODY HAS. >> CHAIRMAN: THE NATURE OF THE BUSINESS YOU WERE LOOKING AT MR. BROOKS THERE WOULD BE NO INGRESS EGRESS ON THE BACK SIDE OF THAT WHICH IS THE SOUTH SIDE

OF THE PROPERTY? >> SPEAKER: NO SIR.

>> CHAIRMAN: JUST FROM THE HIGHWAY.

>> SPEAKER: WELL ON THE SIDE IT DOES HAVE A ROAD THERE.

>> CHAIRMAN: YES, SIR. OKAY.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT?

>> COMMISSIONER: COULD YOU JUST SPELL OUT WHAT THE PLANNED BUSINESS WOULD BE THERE. I KNOW IT'S SOMETHING TO DO WITH

AUTOS. >> SPEAKER: IT'S A TOWING AND RECOVERY. SO, WRECKER SERVICE.

AND THEY EVENT USUALLY WOULD LIKE TO PUT AUTO SALES ON THE FRONT. BUT THAT WILL BE DOWN THE ROAD.

THAT'S NOT RIGHT AWAY. >> COMMISSIONER: NOW DOES THE GENTLEMAN THAT WANTS TO START THE BUSINESS DOES HE HAVE A CONTRACT WITH YOU FOR THE PROPERTY?

>> SPEAKER: IT'S A VERBAL. AND IT'S NOT TO SELL.

IT'S TO LEASE. YES, SIR.

>> CHAIRMAN: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MR. BROOKS? THANK YOU SIR. WE HAVE A CARD TURNED IN TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM. MR. BILL GARRISON?

>> PUBLIC SPEAKER: GOOD AFTERNOON.

MY NAME IS BILL GARRISON. I LIVE AT 5288 COUNTY ROAD 218 IN CLAY HILL. I SERVE ON THE ZONING COMMISSION. I WAS THE PERSON THAT MADE THE MOTION TO RECOMMEND DENIAL FOR THIS ZONING CHANGE WHICH WAS SUPPORTED UNANIMOUSLY BY MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS.

SO I FELT IT IMPORTANT TO BE HERE TO EXPLAIN WHY I RECOMMENDED THAT DENIAL AND TO ENCOURAGE YOU TO ALSO DENY THIS APPLICATION. IF YOU DON'T MIND I'M GOING TO PASS SOME PHOTOS OUT. I HAVE SEVEN COPIES.

WHILE MR. NAGLE IS PASSING THOSE OUT THE REASON THAT I RECOMMEND DENYING THIS APPLICATION IS THAT THE BUSINESS PROPOSED IS COMPLETELY INCOMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING AREA.

THE CURRENT ZONING IS BA-2 AND IT IS A COMMERCIAL LAND USE AREA. WHERE MR. BROOKS PROPOSING A BUSINESS THAT WITHIN THE BA-2 ZONING CLASSIFICATION I WOULD BE HIS STRONGEST ADVOCATE. THIS IS NOT ANYTHING TO DO WITH ANTI-BUSINESS. IT'S MORE ABOUT TRYING TO PROTECT THE CHARACTER OF THE COMMUNITY.

AGAIN IT'S ZONED BA PROPOSED ZO. AND IF YOU WILL LOOK ON THE FIRST PAGE YOU WILL SEE THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.

IMMEDIATELY BELOW THAT THE PROPERTY TO THE RIGHT THE CHURCH OF GOD. THE NEXT ONE DOWN THE THIRD PHOTOS IS THE PROPERTY IMMEDIATELY LEFT WHICH IS A RESIDENCE. ACROSS THE STREET IS A RETAIL CENTER. RETAIL STORE.

NEXT PAGE AGAIN ADDITIONAL PROPERTIES TEMPLE OF GOD.

OTHER RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES. THEN THE THIRD PAGE IS THE WILKINSON ELEMENTARY, JUNIOR HIGH SCHOOL, ANOTHER RESIDENTIAL. SO THAT'S THE NATURE OF THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES. AGAIN IT IS IN A COMMERCIAL NODE. BUT THE LAST PAGE IS WHAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT. AND MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS AGREED. TWO MILES DOWN THE ROAD FROM THIS SUBJECT PROPERTY IS A BUSINESS AT THE CORNER OF 218 AND LONG HORN WHICH IS A SIMILAR BUSINESS.

AUTO STORAGE, AUTO SALES. IF YOU CAN LOOK THEY TURN INTO AN UNSIGHTLY BUSINESS AND THEY BECOME A CODE ENFORCEMENT ISSUE.

THERE ARE AT LEAST TWO ACTIVE CODE ENFORCEMENT CASES IN THAT AREA AND THEY'RE ALL BUT IMPOSSIBLE TO RECONCILE.

THE OTHER THING IS THE GENTLEMAN MENTIONED IT IS A LEASE AGREEMENT NOT A PURCHASE WHICH LENDS ITSELF TO WHAT WE SEE IN OUR EXPERIENCES A TEMPORARY NATURE OF THESE BUSINESSES.

THE ONE AT 218 AND LONG HORN OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS HAS PROBABLY HAD FIVE DIFFERENT BUSINESSES GO THROUGH THERE.

ONE WAS THE BUILDING WAS PAINTD THIS OBNOXIOUS COLOR OF YELLOW AND THERE WERE ONE THOUSANDS OF TIRES STORED THERE.

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GOD BLESS ANYBODY WHO WANTS TO TRY TO RUN A BUSINESS.

I KNOW HOW DIFFICULT THAT IS AND I AM AS PRO BUSINESS A PERSON YOU CAN COME ACROSS. WE WANT BUSINESS IN CLAY HILL.

BUT WHAT WE DON'T WANT IS SOMETHING LIKE THIS THAT WOULD POTENTIALLY RUIN THAT NODE AND DEGRADE THE PROPERTY VALUES.

I KNOW THAT'S A TIRED CLICHE BUT IT'S A FACT.

SO I STRONGLY ENCOURAGE YOU TO CONSIDER THE INFORMATION I'VE PROVIDED AND TO RECOMMEND DENYING THIS APPLICATION.

HOPEFULLY AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE MR. BROOKS WILL BE ABLE TO BRING FORWARD A BUSINESS HERE THAT IS BA-2 AND I'LL BE HERE SUPPORTING IT 100 PERCENT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> CHAIRMAN: QUESTION. A COUPLE OF PREVIOUS PEOPLE MENTIONED THE SIDEWALK WHERE THE CHILDREN'S PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC.

WHATEVER GOES IN THERE THAT'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE A PROBLEM.

THERE'S A LOT OF BUSINESSES THAT COULD BE PUT IN THERE THAT WOULD BE MORE INTENSE AS FAR AS VEHICLES COMING IN AND OUT THAN PROBABLY A WRECKER YARD. WOULD YOU AGREE TO THAT?

>> SPEAKER: I DON'T KNOW THAT I WOULD AGREE TO THAT.

>> CHAIRMAN: WELL EVEN A DOLLAR GENERAL IS GOING TO HAVE MORE

TRAFFIC. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: THE TRAFFIC IS NOT AN ISSUE TO ME. I KNOW IT'S A CONCERN TO SOME.

>> CHAIRMAN: I DIDN'T WANT TO THINK WE WAS NOT TRYING TO LOOK OUT AFTER THE CHILDREN. BUT THE MORE TRAFFIC IN AND OUT THE MORE CHANCES THERE ARE. I WAS JUST TRYING TO PUT THAT IN PERSPECTIVE THAT THE WRECKER YARD IS PROBABLY NOT GOING TO HAVE AS MUCH TRAFFIC AS A DOLLAR GENERAL OR SOME BUSINESS LIKE

THAT. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: MY CONCERN IS NOT SO MUCH THE TRAFFIC. ANY BUSINESS THERE IS GOING TO GENERATE THE TRAFFIC. MY CONCERN IS THE AESTHETIC NATURE OF IT. IT'S TOTALLY INCOMPATIBLE.

>> CHAIRMAN: ARE THERE ANY WRECKER SERVICES IN CLAY HILL?

>> I DON'T KNOW. BUT AT 218 AND LONG HORN THERE'S A PROPERTY THAT IS WHATEVER IT IS TODAY.

>> CHAIRMAN: I'M FAMILIAR WITH THAT ONEND I AGREE WITH YOU.

>> THAT'S MY CONCERN. IT'S NOT THE ONLY ONE.

A FEW MILES DOWN THE ROAD THERE'S A JUNKYARD.

IT'S ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES. YOU IT'S JUST NOT THE BUSINESS THAT ENHANCES THE CHARACTER OF A COMMUNITY.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> CHAIRMAN: ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS? DID YOU FILL OUT A CARD, MA'AM, TO SPEAK? OKAY GIVE IT TO THIS OFFICER DOWN HERE. EITHER ONE OF THESE OFFICERS DOWN HERE WILL BE FINE. THREE?

YES, MA'AM. >> THANK YOU.

I'M ANGELA UNDER WOOD. I AM ONE OF THIS PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN EMAILING SAYING PLEASE OPPOSE THIS CHANGE.

I AM A TEACHER AT WILKINSON ELEMENTARY.

AND YES THERE WOULD BE MORE TRAFFIC IN SAY IF A DOCTOR'S OFFICE WENT THERE BUT TEACHING PRE-K, KINDERGARTEN AND FIRST GRADE AT THAT SCHOOL, I CAN TELL YOU THAT TOW TRUCKS, WRECKERS, BROKEN DOWN CARS, OR CARS THAT HAVE BEEN SITTING THERE A LONG TIME ARE MUCH MORE DANGEROUS FOR MY LITTLE ONES WHO WALK WITHOUT AN ADULT TO GO THERE. THAT'S WHAT CONCERNS ME IS THAT.

IS THE FACT THAT THESE KIDS ARE WALKING TO SCHOOL WITHOUT IT.

MY OTHER CONCERN IS THAT IF HE LETS THIS COME IN HERE, IF WE CHANGE THE ZONING THERE ARE PLENTY OF OTHER BUSINESSES THAT COULD COME IN HERE. LIKE HE SAID HE DOES HAVE A VERBAL AGREEMENT BUT IF HIS LEASE IS UP IN A YEAR THERE ARE OTHER BUSINESSES IN THE ZONE, IN THE BB-3, I BELIEVE, THAT I WOULD NOT WANT WHERE MY KIDS ARE WALKING.

THAT I WOULD NOT WANT WITHIN 500 FEET OF A SCHOOL.

AND THAT IS WHAT CONCERNS ME. MY KIDS, MY PARENTS DO LIVE NEXT TO THIS PLACE. MY KIDS AND I WALK THERE ALL THE TIME. WITH WHAT THIS COULD BECOME, WHICH IS A JUNK YARD OR WORSE, IT MAKES ME VERY NERVOUS FOR ME AND MY CHILDREN TO WALK UP AND DOWN THE SIDEWALK IN FRONT OF IT. IF IT DOES BECOME JUST A CAR LOT. BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT IT'S GOING TO END UP. HE HAS SAID THE CAR LOT IS NOT IN THE FIRST PART OF THIS. MY CONCERN IS WHAT ALL COULD HAPPEN. ANDIVE WITHIN THE TOW TRUCKS WRECKERS, WITH THE KIDS IT JUST REALLY DOES CONCERN ME.

THANK YOU. >> CHAIRMAN: THANK YOU, MA'AM.

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YOU FOR LAST IF YOU DON'T MIND. >> I'VE GOT THE WRONG PAPERS.

CAN I GO BACK AND GET THE RIGHT ONES.

>> CHAIRMAN: YES. DID YOU LEAVE SOMETHING THERE?

>> YES. CAN I GO BACK-- SHE'S BRINGING IT TO YOU. OKAY.

>> CHAIRMAN: NAME AND ADDRESS. >> NANCY PAGEANT.

AND I LIVE AT 5047 COUNTY ROAD 218 WHICH IS ADJACENT TO THE PROPERTY THAT IS SEEKING REZONING.

WE HAVE 6.3 ACRES THERE AND A LOVELY HOME NEXT DOOR TO THIS PROPERTY. WE'VE LIVED THERE FOR 47 YEARS AND WE'VE REARED OUR THREE CHILDREN THERE.

WE ALSO HAVE FIVE GRANDCHILDREN. TWO THAT LIVE ACROSS THE STREET AND HER CHILDREN WHO LIVE MAYBE A HALF MILE DOWN THE ROAD.

AND THEY'RE THERE ON A REGULAR BASIS USING THE SIDEWALKS.

I UNDERSTAND THAT THIS PROPERTY IS SEEKING REZONING TODAY IS ALREADY COMMERCIAL UNDER THE BA-2 CODE.

IN READING THE DESCRIPTION OF THE BB-3 CODE THIS NEW CODE IS UNACCEPTABLE TO US. WE DO NOT WANT A WRECKER SERVICE, AN OLD CAR SALES AND STORAGE.

THIS PERSON WHO WANTS TO LEASE THIS PROPERTY MAY NOT STAY VERY LONG AND WE'RE STUCK WITH A BB-3 ZONING OF WHICH CAN BE A LOT MORE UNDESIRABLE THINGS. MY DAUGHTER MENTIONED THE SIDEWALKS SO I WON'T GO INTO THAT.

BUT I DID WANT TO MENTION THAT THE DOLLAR GENERAL IS ACROSS THE STREET WHERE THE CHILDREN CANNOT WALK ON THAT SIDE OF THE ROAD.

THEY ONLY HAVE THE SIDEWALK THAT COMES IN FRONT OF THIS PROPERTY, MY HOUSE. SO, THAT'S THE SIDEWALK THAT THEY USE. SO I WOULDN'T THINK THAT TRAFFIC GOING IN AND OUT OF THERE WHERE THEY DON'T HAVE TO CROSS OVER THE SIDEWALK WOULD BE VERY BAD. SO, ANY WAY WE DO HAVE TWO CHURCHES. WE HAVE THE DOLLAR GENERAL THERE. BUT THESE ARE ALL AN ASSET TO OUR COMMUNITY. THAT DOLLAR GENERAL IS AN ASSET TO THE WHOLE CLAY HILL. I MEAN, YES IT HAS A LOT OF TRAFFIC GOING IN AND OUT OF IT. I CAN TELL YOU THAT FOR ONE.

BUT PLEASE DO NOT ALLOW THIS REZONING TO TAKE PLACE.

TAKE ALL THIS THOUGHTS THAT WE'VE SHARED WITH YOU TONIGHT NOT TO CHANGE THAT ZONING TO B B-3.

PLEASE VOTE NO. THANK YOU.

>> CHAIRMAN: THANK YOU MA'AM. MR. WILBUR PAGEANT?

. >> I LIVE AT 5047 COUNTY ROAD 218 ADJACENT TO THE PROPERTY YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT.

I BOUGHT THERE IN '72 AND IT WAS AGRICULTURE.

IT WAS CHANGED TO COMMERCIAL AFTER THAT.

MOST OF THE THINGS I HAVE I THINK HAS ALREADY BEEN EXPRESSED TO YOU. THESE THINGS ON THIS IS GOING TO BE A HEAVY COMMERCIAL STUFF. AND THE GOOD BUSINESSES THAT WOULD MOVE IN THIS WOULD DETER THEM FROM MOVING IF.

THE SIDEWALK IS GOING TO BE HEAVY TRUCKS AND ALL THAT'S GOING OVER THERE. EVERYTHING ELSE I'VE GOT I THINK YOU'VE ALREADY BEEN TOLD AND I APPRECIATE YOU ALL'S TIME.

>> CHAIRMAN: THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE SOMEONE HOLDING? MR. OTTO? GRACE US WITH YOUR VERBAL

PRESENCE. >> YES, SIR.

CAN YOU HEAR ME? >> CHAIRMAN: YES.

>> OKAY. YOU KEEP SAYING THE LAST PUBLIC COMMENT I APPRECIATE IT IF YOU STOP DOING THAT BECAUSE YOU'RE

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THE BA-2. THE BB-3.

THAT'S A HUGE, HUGE JUMP. WE'RE TALKING DPA ISSUES.

AT A MINIMUM THIS SHOULD BE A FULLY PAVED PARKING LOT LIKE LISA HASN'T PAID THEIR TOW LOTS. THEY TOW FOR THE COUNTY.

THEY GET TO DO WHAT THEY WANT. THEY GOT A HANDICAPPED PARKING SPOT. THEY PARK A BOAT FOR SALE THERE.

WE REALLY NEED THE COUNTY TO START ENFORCING THE ISSUES IN THIS COUNTY. WE NEED RESIDENTIAL BUFFERS.

I HEARD YOU TALKING ABOUT STUFF BEING PUT IN BY RESIDENTIAL PLACES. THE BCC IS NOT AVAILABLE I ASSUME. BUT THERE SHOULD BE A MAP BEING SHOWN A REGULAR BASIS. THE TOW LINES THEY LEAK ANTI-FREEZE AND VEHICLES AND MORE.

I MEAN, BRAKE FLUIDS, TRANSMISSION FLUIDS.

HORRIBLE. PEOPLE PUT STUFF IN THESE VEHICLES AND THEY LEAK OUT. YOU GOT STUFF FALLING OUT OF STUFF GOING DOWN THE ROAD. LITTLE PIECES OF METAL THIS AND THAT. I TOTALLY HEAR ALL THE FOLKS THERE TALKING ABOUT THE KIDS. DO YOU WANT TO PUT ADULT ENTERTAINMENT RIGHT THERE WHY WOULD YOU PUT A TOW TRUCK LOT WHERE SOME CHILD COULD GET HURT? I MEAN, THAT ABSOLUTELY MAKES NO SENSE WHATSOEVER. AS FAR AS THESE CHURCHES.

THEY DON'T PAY TAXES. IF WE PUT A GUN RANGE THERE AND WE WANT TO USE IT SUNDAY MORNING THAT'S THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT'S PROBLEM. AND YES THAT YELLOW BUILDING ON THE CORNER IS A HUGE EYESORE. IT DOESN'T HAVE THE ASPHALT.

THEY PARK ALL THIS STUFF ON THERE.

IT'S ANOTHER EPA ISSUE. YOU GO DOWN THE ROAD A LITTLE BIT, THERE'S A HUGE JUNKYARD THEY GOT SHUT DOWN.

I MEAN, HUGE. IT WAS THEN A BOAT STORAGE.

THAT IS A HUGE EPA ISSUE OVER THERE.

WHY IS THE COUNTY NOT DOING ANYHING ABOUT THESE ISSUES? THERE'S A JUNKYARD ON 220 THAT WAS CLOSE D DOWN.

WAS THAT PLACE EVER CLEANED UP? I MEAN, WE HAVE AQUIFERS ALL OVER THE AREA DOWN HERE. AND YOU GUYS NEED TO BE MORE CONSCIENTIOUS OF THE ISSUES WITH THESE BUSINESSES.

AND WHEN A BUSINESS WANTS TO STEP ON OUR HANDICAP RIGHTS, BY LAW THEY HAVE TO HAVE THERE AND THEY DON'T WANT TO PAY THEIR PROPERTY BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT TO PAY THE INCREASED TAXES ON IT. I BEG OF YOU, SHUT DOWN, STOP

HIRING FIRST COAST TOWING. >> CHAIRMAN: YOUR TIME IS UP.

. >> THANK YOU CHAIR.

>> CHAIRMAN: YOU ARE WELCOME. AND THES THE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS. SO, WE'LL BRING IT BACK TO THE

BOARD FOR DISCUSSION. >> COMMISSIONER: LAST WEEK I THOUGHT IT MADE SENSE THE ARGUMENT THERE WASN'T OPPOSITION TO IT SO I SUPPORTED THE CHANGE. BUT I THINK THIS IS VERY DIFFERENT. AND I'VE GOT AN LOT OF FEEDBACK AND I AGREE WITH THE FEEDBACK THAT IT'S JUST NOT COMPATIBLE.

SO I CERTAINLY DO NOT SUPPORT THIS CHANGE AND WILL BE VOTING NO ON IT AND WOULD URGE MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS TO DO THE

SAME. >> COMMISSIONER: IS THAT YOUR

DISTRICT? >> COMMISSIONER: IT IS.

>> COMMISSIONER: I WOULD HAVE TO AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER ROLLINS.

COUPLE REASONS WHY. ONE, THAT'S WHY I ASKED MR. BROOKS IF HE HAD A CONTRACT ON THE PROPERTY.

BECAUSE WE CAN GO AHEAD AND CHANGE THE ZONING THEN HE WOULD BE WITH THE ZONING AND BE ABLE TO TURN AROUND AND PUT SOMEBODY ELSE IN THERE AND WE WOULDN'T HAVE CONTROL OF THAT.

AND HE ISN'T EVEN SELLING THE PROPERTY HE IS LEASING IT.

SO, AFTER A YEAR OR TWO THE GENTLEMAN MAY OR MAY NOT BE IN BUSINESS. SO I THINK AS I LOOK AT IT I THINK NORTH OF THE CHURCH IS WHERE THE BB-3 IS SITUATED.

I THINK THAT'S THE HEAVIER ZONING.

THE BA2 IS SOUTH OF THE CHURCH. I THINK BECAUSE IT DOES HAVE A NUMBER OF PROPERTIES ALL IN THAT SIMILAR KIND OF ZONING SITUATION THAT FOR NOWS THAT THE WAY IT SHOULD STAY.

SO I AM GOING TO VOTE IN FAVOR OF DENYING THE APPLICATION.

>> COMMISSIONER: THAT WOULD BE MY POSITION AS WELL.

I WATCHED THE PLANNING MEETING AND LISTENED TO ALL THE TESTIMONY AND THE DOCUMENTATION AND THIS IS AN EASY DECISION.

>> COMMISSIONER: IT'S WHATEVER EVERYBODY WANTS THAT LIVES

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>> COMMISSIONER: NOT THAT WE DON'T WANT TO SEE BUSINESSES GROW AND PROSPER IN THAT PARTICULAR AREA BECAUSE THEY CERTAINLY NEED THAT KIND OF BUSINESS GROWTH, COMMERCIAL GROWTH. BUT, IN THIS CASE, IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THIS IS THE KIND OF BUSINESS THAT IS COMPATIBLE WITH

THAT NEIGHBORHOOD THERE. >> COMMISSIONER: I'LL MOVE THAT WE DENY THE APPLICATION TO CHANGE THE ZONING.

>> COMMISSIONER: SECOND. >> CHAIRMAN: FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE.

OPPOSED? SO DONE.

[25.  5:00 Time Certain or as soon thereafter as can be heard - RFP #19/20-45, Economic and Development Services]

THERE'S THREE THINGS WE WANTED TO FOCUS ON.

THE FIRST IS TO GET ON THE MAP. SIMPLY MEANS CLAY COUNTY IS NO WHERE TO BE FOUND ON THE MAP. WE DO HAVE A WEBSITE BUT TODAY WHAT WE FIND IS WHEN SOMEBODY WANTS TO SEEK OUT SOMETHING IT'S USUALLY DONE IN A RESEARCH DEPARTMENT.

THEY GO TELL THEIR ASSISTANT, GO IN THERE AND I NEED YOU TO FIND SOMETHING IN FLORIDA AND I NEED X, Y, Z.

I NEED DEMOGRAPHICS. I NEED MEDIAN INCOME.

I NEED TO FIGURE OUT WHAT INDUSTRIES, SECTORS ARE THERE.

I THINK ONE THE THINGS WE'RE MISSING IS NOBODY CAN FIND US.

WE'RE NOT ON THE MAP. THE FIRST THING WE WANT TO TAKE A LOOK AT IS BUILDING A ROBUST WEBSITE WITH DATA AND ANALYTICS AND SPEAK THE LANGUAGE OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.

THOSE THINGS ARE IMPORTANT FOR DEFINING WHO WE ARE AND WHAT WE'RE GOOD AT. THE SECOND THING I WANTED TO LOOK AT WAS A STRATEGIC PLAN. WHAT IS CLAY COUNTY-- WHAT ARE WE GOOD AT? WHAT IS HERE THAT PEOPLE SHOULD KNOW TO ATTRACT OTHER BUSINESSES.

AND WE CALL IT A SWAT ANALYSIS BUT ONE OF THE THINGS I LOOKED AT IS A COMPANY CALLED REMY. AND REMY PROVIDES ECONOMIC MODDING. BUT WHAT'S IMPORTANT THEY PROVIDE THE INITIAL REPORT AND WE CAN UPDATE IT IN YEAR TWO AT MUCH MORE REDUCED COST AND KEEP UPDATING THAT DATA OVER AND OVER AND HAVE ACTIONABLE INFORMATION TO BE SHARED WITH PEOPLE LOOKING TO DO DEVELOPMENT MAY IT BE LOCALLY OR NATIONALLY.

THE LAST ONE IS COUNTY MANAGER SAYS IT.

RESTART, REHIRE, REOPEN. WE NEED TO TAKE A LOCAL FOCUS WHEN IT COMES TO DEVELOPING CLAY COUNTY.

WE NEED TO RESTART OUR OWN LOCAL ECONOMY FIRST.

THERE'S $500 MILLION IN PROJECTS IN CLAY COUNTY SHELF ALREADY THAT'S HAPPENING RIGHT NOW. AND THAT'S HAPPENING PRIMARILY THEY ALL HAVE ONE THING IN COMMON THE CHAMBER MEMBERS BUT IT SAYS THERE'S SOMETHING HAPPENING ORGANICALLY THESE PEOPLE ARE WILLING TO INVEST LOCALLY.

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THE IMPORTANCE OF FOCUSSING LOCALLY IS THE SALES TAX.

WE NEED TO GET OUR RESIDENTS TO GO BACK, BUY LOCAL AND DO THINGS LOCALLY SO THAT WE CAN PRESERVE THE QUALITY OF LIFE THAT'S IN CLAY COUNTY. IF WE DON'T THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT, THE SHERIFF ASKED FOR $6 MILLION.

$500,000 A MONTH THAT WE'RE LOSING IS THAT $6 MILLION BUDGET. I'M NOT SAYING HE WOULD GET THE MONEY. WHAT I'M SHOWING IS THAT SHOWS THE SIGNIFICANCE OF SALES TAX LOCALLY.

WHAT'S MOST IMPORTANT? IF YOU CAN'T MEASURE IT, IT'S NOT WORTH DOING. IF YOU ARE GOING TO DO SOMETHING AND NOT GOING TO ABLE TO FIGURE OUT THE SUCCESS RATE WHY ARE WE DOING IT. SALES TAX IS THE SINGLE MOST IMPORTANT DATA THAT THERE IS BECAUSE YOU GET IT MONTHLY OR YOU GET IT QUARTERLY. IT GIVES US TRUE PULSE OF IF WE'RE COMING BACK AS A LOCAL ECONOMY.

SO, WE'RE GOING FOCUS ON THAT AS WE GO FORWARD.

ACTIONABLE. IS IT USEFUL TO THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PROCESS. ARE WE SPEAKING THE SAME LANGUAGE? HOW MANY PEOPLE EVEN REALIZE IN CLAY COUNTY WE HAVE A STRATEGIC ADVANTAGE IN MINING? MINING. WE DO HAVE A STRATEGIC ADVANTAGE. THAT'S HOW WE FIGURE THAT OUT WHEN WE RUN THINGS LIKE LOCATION COCHIN.

IT USES A NATIONAL BANK MARK AND ASKER IF WE'RE -- BENCHMARK AND IF WE'RE DOING A LARGER PERCENTAGE IN OUR MARKET THEN OUT OF STRATEGIC ADVANTAGE WE'RE NOT TALKING THAT LANGUAGE SO NOBODY KNOWS. UNDATEABLE.

THE REMY REPORT. IF YOU PAY FOR KNIT YEAR ONE WE GOT TO SPEND THE SAME IN YEAR TWO OR THREE TO GET IT UPDATED WE'RE WASTING OUR MONEY. REMY ALLOWS US TO RUN THE REPORT INITIALLY AND IN YEAR TWO OR THREE YOU CAN UPDATE THAT REPORT AT A SIGNIFICANTLY REDUCED COST. SO WE GOT TO MAKE IT COST-EFFECTIVE IF WE WANT TO KEEP THE INFORMATION RELATIVE AND RELEVANT RIGHT NOW. WHY AN RFP? THAT'S THE MILLION DOLLAR QUESTION IN CLAY COUNTY.

AND IF YOU ARE JUST NOT HAPPY WITH THE RESULTS WE CAN'T MEASURE IT. WE DON'T KNOW.

THAT'S PRETTY MUCH THE ANSWER TO THAT.

WHY IS IT IMPORTANT? IT SHAPES THE FUTURE.

NOW IS THE TIME TO RESET. COVID-19 HAS GIVEN US THE PERFECT OPPORTUNITY TO REFOCUS WHAT WE'RE DOING AND RESET WHAT WE'RE DOING AS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IN CLAY COUNTY.

LASTLY, SYNERGY. 90 PERCENT OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ACROSS THE UNITED STATES, IT'S CENTERED IN A CHAMBER OF COMMERCE. YEARS AGO BEFORE I EVER GOT HERE IT BROKE APART FROM US. RIGHT NOW WE NEED TO RESTART OUR LOCAL ECONOMY BECAUSE THAT IS THE FOCUS PROBABLY FOR THE NEXT TWO YEARS. CHAMBER OF COMMERCE IS IN THE BEST POSITION TO LEAD THAT EFFORT GOING FORWARD.

AND I WILL TELL YOU THIS MUCH. I DON'T ENVY YOU.

THIS IS NOT THE EASIEST DECISION YOU'LL EVER MAKE.

BUT I WILL TELL YOU THE FUTURE OF CLAY COUNTY IS IN YOUR HANDS TODAY. I'LL TELL YOU.

I MEAN, IT'S DIFFICULT. IT IS DIFFICULT ON THE GROUND.

THERE'S 14 BANKRUPTCIES IN THE MALL.

AND THEY ARE ALL NATIONAL CHAINS.

AND IT'S HAPPENING RIGHT NOW. THERE'S A TON MUCH PEOPLE THAT'S GOING TO BE UNEMPLOY. THIS IS NOT GOING TO GET EASIER.

UNTIL WE GET A VACCINE WE'RE GOING TO KEEP OPENING AND REOPENING AND RYE STARTING OUR BUSINESSES.

WE OPEN THEM UP, THEY SHUT DOWN AND WE GOT TO REOPEN THEM AGAIN.

MAKE MY LIFE A LITTLE BIT EASIER AND HELP THE PEOPLE IN CLAY COUNTY. THAT'S MY FIVE MINUTES FOR YOU.

>> CHAIRMAN: HOW CO YOU ARRIVE AT THE PROPOSED AMOUNT OF MONEY REQUIRED TO GET THIS THING GOING?

>> HOW DID I COME UP WITH THE NUMBERS?

>> CHAIRMAN: YEAH. >> WE TOOK A GOOD LOOK AT WHAT WE THINK WE'LL NEED. I THINK YOU GUYS ACTUALLY LED THE CHARGE ON THIS. I DID PUT A GRANT WRITER IN THERE TOO GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE. YOU GUYS PAID FOR ONE EARLIER.

I THINK THE NEXT SPACE THAT WE NEED TO FOCUS IS IS BRINGING NEW MONEY TO CLAY COUNTY. THAT'S WHY WE PUT THE GRANT WRITER IF. WE REACHED OUT TO REMI AND GOT WHAT IT WILL COST US TO PULL THAT REPORT.

SO, ALL THE NEIGHBORS WE'VE GIVEN YOU ON THE BUDGET INCLUDING THE COST OF OPERATIONS HAS COME FROM US DOING FACT FINDING MISSION. ONE THINGS WE'RE LOSING HERE THE CHAMBER OF COME ERRS, WE PAID FOR THE SPACE AND HAVE ALL THE UTILITIES AND MOST OF THE STAFF EXCEPT FOR AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COORDINATOR. WE'RE DUPLICATING THOSE THINGS OVER AND OVER. WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THE MONEY THAT WE'RE DEDICATING TO ECONOMIC SERVICES IS GOING TOWARDS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT SERVICES? WHAT PERCENTAGE OF EVERY DOLLAR. IF WE DOWNLY KATE THOSE SERVICES

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150, $160,000. SO, WHEN I CAME UP WITH THE BUDGET IT WAS AS CLOSE AS I COULD GET IT TO LIEN AND STILL PROVIDE A QUALITY SERVICE GOING FORWARD.

THIS IS OUR YEAR ONE PLAN. WE CAN DO ALL THIS IN-HOUSE IN YEAR ONE. YEAR TWO WHEN WE GET THE STRATEGIC ANALYSIS IN YEAR ONE WE CAN LOOK AT DEVELOPING A PLAN GOING FORWARD AND DECIDING WHO WE WANT TO ATTRACT LOCALLY.

WITHIN THAT PERIOD OF TIME WE'RE RESTARTING OUR ECONOMY.

I'M NOT EVEN MAKING NONE OF THIS UP.

I OPEN URBAN BEAN. YOU ARE BEEN BEAN IS CLOSED TODAY BECAUSE THEY HAD A COVID OUTBREAK.

WE HAVE TO REOPEN THAT BUSINESS AGAIN.

THEY LOST $50,000 IN TWO WEEKS. WHITEY'S FISH CAMP HAD TO SHUT DOWN BECAUSE OF COVID. SHE LOST $100,000 A WEEK.

WE'RE GOING TO KEEP SEEING THIS HAPPEN OVER AND OVER.

WE HAVE TO FOCUS LOCALLY TO KEEP THESE BUSINESSES OPEN AND SIMPLY TO KEEP BRINGING SALES TAX IN. OTHERWISE WE'RE GOING TO KEEP TROUBLING. $500,000 MAY BE THE TIP OF THE

ICEBERG. >> CHAIRMAN: OKAY.

>> COMMISSIONER: WE JUST FINISHED AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN HERE LAST YEAR I BELIEVE IT WAS OR SOMEWHERE IN THERE.

HOW DOES WHAT YOU ARE GOING TO DO WITH REMI DIFFER FROM WHAT IS IN THAT? YOU MUST HAVE READ IT.

>> SOME OF IT I LOOKED AT. I WILL TELL YOU THE BIGGEST DIFFERENCE. I DISCOVERED REMI WHEN I WENT TO TALLAHASSEE. IT'S BEING USED BY TALLAHASSEE.

REMI IS ECONOMIC MODELLING. THEY LOOK AT THE DATA FOR THE ANALYTICS ANNUALLY. WHAT WAS PRE-COVID DOESN'T EXIST POST-COVID. THOSE THINGS HAVE CHANGED.

YOU CAN PLUG THAT BACK INTO THE REMI MODEL AND GET AN UPDATE ON THAT MODEL SO THAT WE CAN MAKE IT RELEVANT TO WHAT'S HAPPENING RIGHT NOW. IF YOU PRE-CONSULTANT, THOSE ARE GREAT, I'M NOT DIMINISHING THEIR EXPERTISE, THE PROBLEM IS IT'S NOT COST-EFFECTIVE BECAUSE YOU GOT TO START ALL OVER AGAIN.

WITH REMI THEY TAKE ECONOMIC DATA PLUG IT BACK INTO THE MODEL AND GIVE YOU AN UPDATED MODEL. WHENEVER WE SPEND OUR MONEY WE MUST SPEND IT WHERE WE CAN GET THE BEST BANG FOR OUR LUCK.

ONE OF THE THINGS I LOOK AT, DO I NEED TO REINVENT THE WHEEL EVERY TIME? OR DO I NEED TO TAKE A FRACTION OF THE COST AND UPDATE GOING FORWARD? THAT'S HOW I ENDED UP WITH THE REMI MODEL.

I WITH ILL LOOK AT WHAT THEY'VE DONE AND WE'LL MAKE IT APPLICABLE. BUT IF I HAVE TO GET THAT REPORT UPDATED NOW THEN I GOT TO SPEND THAT MONEY ALL OVER AGAIN FOR A WHOLE BUNCH OF CONSULTANTS. WITH THE REMI I PAY A FRACTION

OF A COST AND GET IT UPDATED. >> COMMISSIONER: I'M NOT SURE THE REPORT IN MY MIND IS THE ANSWER.

THE ANSWER IS RESULTS. AND THAT'S WHERE I'M COMING FROM. I MEAN, WE CAN MAKE ALL KINDS OF STUDIES. UNLESS SOMEBODY READS THEM AND TRIES TO DO SOMETHING WITH THEM WE'VE GOT A NICE REPORT.

HOW LONG WOULD IT TAKE TO YOU GET UP TO SPEED ON THIS?

YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT-- >> PROBABLY BY END OF THE YEAR.

RIGHT NOW THE CHAMBER HAS PULLED EVERYTHING BACK.

WE DON'T HAVE ANY EVENTS. WE'RE FOCUSED ON RESTARTING, REOPENING OUR ECONOMY. SO WE CAN DEDICATE OUR RESOURCES TO DO THIS RIGHT NOW AND PROBABLY GET IT BACK UP FOR JANUARY. TO YOUR POINT.

I REMEMBER WHEN YOU SAID THAT THE FIRST TIME WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT SVDC. I PUT IT IN THERE.

I DID AN ANALYSIS OF SALES TAX IN CLAY COUNTY.

I WENT BACK AND LOOKED AT THE HEIGHT OF SALES TAX IN 2007 THEN I LOOKED AT HOW LONG WE TOOK TO RYE COVER TO GET THAT BACK TO WHERE IT WAS. WE GOT BACK TO THAT LEVEL IN 2015. 2007-2015.

EIGHT YEARS. YOU LOST $1.72 MILLION A YEAR DURING THAT PERIOD OF TIME. WHEN WE GOT BACK TO WHERE WE WERE IF WE WERE TO SAY BACK TO WE HAD FOUR YEARS AND PROBABLY TWO MONTHS OF PROSPERITY IN CLAY COUNTY.

BECAUSE WE WENT FROM 2015 TO FEBRUARY 2020.

THAT'S WHEN WE GOT BACK TO SAYING WE WERE BRINGING IN SOME EXTRA DOLLARS. UP UNTIL THAT PERIOD OF TIME, NOBODY WAS LOOKING AT IT. NOBODY WAS PLAYING OFFENSE.

IT WAS JUST, YOU KNOW, TRICKLE DOWN.

WHEN IT HAPPENS IN JACKSONVILLE, THEN WE'LL BENEFIT OVER HERE.

WHEN I LOOKED AT THE JACKSONVILLE NUMBERS THEY LINED UP PERFECTLY. WHEN JACKSONVILLE CAME BACK TO THEIR HEIGHTS, WE CAME BACK TO OUR HEIGHTS.

GOING FORWARD WE CAN'T AFFORD TO DO THAT.

BECAUSE LET'S LOOK AT JAX USA MODEL AND EVERYTHING THEY'RE DOING. THEIR REGIONAL APPROACH IS BENEFITTING DUVAL COUNTY. IT DID NOT BENEFIT CLAY COUNTY.

SO IT WAS A REGIONAL APPROACH BIT WAS FOCUSED ON JACKSONVILLE.

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IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE UNLESS SOMEBODY CAN COOK UP WITH A NUMBER WHEN THEY CAN TELL ME WHEN THE VACCINE IS COMING OUT WE'LL PROBABLY MEET IN FALL OF 2021.

DURING THAT PERIOD OF TIME WE CAN REBUILD THE ECONOMIC

DEVELOPMENT MODEL. >> COMMISSIONER: HOW ARE YOU GOING TO KNOW YOU HAVE BEEN SUCCESSFUL NEXT YEAR?

>> THE FIRST THING IS WE CAN MEASURE THE SALES TAX.

WE GET THEM MONTHLY, QUARTERLY. THEY GET THOSE NUMBERS REAL TIME. I CAN'T EVEN MAKE THOSE NUMBERS.

THOSE ARE COMING FROM THE STATE. ALSO WE NEED TO BE ON THE GROUND AND REALLY EDUCATE OUR PEOPLE, OUR RESIDENTS TO KNOW THAT WE NEED YOU TO SPEND MONEY LOCALLY. YES IS THE SIMPLEST THING.

YOU HAVE 60 PERCENT OF THIS COUNTY IS DRIVING TO JACKSONVILLE. IF THEY CAN BUY GAS IN CLAY COUNTY THAT'S GOING TO MAKE A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT.

BUT SOMEBODY NEEDS TO TELL THEM. IT'S IN OUR BENEFIT AS THE CHAMBER TO DO THAT AND ALSO IT BENEFITS THE COUNTY JUST BY MAKING SURE WE GET MORE SALES TAX REVENUE.

>> COMMISSIONER: SOUNDS LIKE ALL THOSE ARE GOOD THINGS BUT THAT'S SORT OF WHAT THE CHAMBER IS ALREADY SUPPOSED TO BE DOING RIGHT. SO WE HAVE ALREADY PUT EFFORTS TOWARDS THE HOSPITAL SLASH IT BECOMES A NURSERY INCUBATOR BUT EDC TO ME IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.

YES WE WANT TO GROW EXISTING BUSINESSES BUT WE ALSO WANT TO RECRUIT. THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WAITING FOR SHELLS TO WASH UP ON SHORE AND GOING OUT AND SWIMMING AND PUTTING GEAR ON AND GETTING THE SHELLS WE WANT, RECRUITING COMPANIES TO COME TO OUR-- SO, OBVIOUSLY, THEY SHOULD BE COMPATIBLE AND WORKING TOGETHER. BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE A LOT OF WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT IS WHAT THE CHAMBER IS KIND OF ALREADY

DOING AND SHOULD BE DOING. >> GOOD QUESTION.

I THINK WHAT YOU ARE REALIZING HERE IS KIND OF LIKE THE MODEL.

THAT IS THE MODEL. 90 PERCENT OF THE UNITED STATES OPERATES LIKE THAT. JAX CHAMBER FIFTH LARGEST AND FIFTH MOST SUCCESSFUL CHAMBER OF COMMERCE IN THE COUNTRY.

EDC ISN'T IN THE VAX CHAMBER. JAX US AU IS.

WHEN THEY RESTART IT IS A SYNERGISTIC RELATIONSHIP.

WE DON'T HAVE TO MAKE AN APPOINTMENT TO SAY WE HAVE TO RESTART THE ECONOMY. EVERYTHING ALIGNS AND WE JUST MOVE IN THAT DIRECTION BECAUSE WE ALL WANT TO ACHIEVE THE SAME GOAL. CLAY COUNTY HAS A UNIQUE MODEL.

IT DOESN'T MEAN THIS IS NOT AN INDICTMENT AGAINST J.J. HARRIS.

WHAT I AM SAYING IS THERE'S A REASON ALL OF THEM WORK IN SYNERGY. IT'S NOT BECAUSE THEY ARE MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE IT'S BECAUSE THEY'RE OUT USUALLY INCLUSIVE.

THEY'RE ALL SUPPOSED TO SPEAK THE SAME LANGUAGE.

ONE OF THE THINGS ATTRACTIVE FOR ANYBODY IS BRINGING A LOCAL COMPANY HERE. SOMEBODY FROM THE OUTSIDE TO BRING JOBS IN. THE COMPANY THAT BROUGHT PROBABLY THE MOST AMOUNT OF JOBS IN CLAY COUNTY IN 2019, IF I FIND SOMEBODY TO BEAT THIS I'LL BE SHOCKED IS CULVERS.

THEY BROUGHT 88 NEW JOBS. THAT'S RETAIL ON BLANDING BOULEVARD. THAT'S CLAY COUNTY.

THAT'S SMALL BUSINESS. THE POINT I AM MAKING WITH THAT, WE'RE PROBABLY WANTING TO LOOK OUTSIDE BUT WE NEED TO LOOK INSIDE. THERE'S A BAPTIST HOSPITAL BEING BUILT IN FLEMING ISLAND. FOUR HUNDRED JOBS.

HOW MANY ECONOMIC DOLLARS WENT TO THAT? PROBABLY NONE. BUT THEY'RE DOING WHAT WE TRULY WANT. THEY'RE MAKING THE IMPACT WE WANT. ST. VINCENT'S IN MIDDLEBURG SPENT $28 MILLION ON EXPANSION. ORANGE PARK MEDICAL CENTER $138 MILLION ON THEIRS. THEN WE HAVE KA MOORS SPENDING $100 MILLION. THE POINT I AM MAKING, I THINK IT HAS BEEN HAPPENING LOCALLY BUT WE'RE NOT TELLING ANYBODY ABOUT THE GROWTH BECAUSE WE'RE NOT SPEAKING THAT LANGUAGE.

HOW MANY PEOPLE KNOW THERE'S $500 MILLION IN PROJECTS HAPPENING IN CLAY COUNTY RIGHT NOW THAT IS JUST ORGANIC GROWTH.

THESE PEOPLE ARE HERE. THEY DIDN'T COME FROM ANYWHERE.

THEY RECOGNIZE THE OPPORTUNITY. IT'S HERE.

BUT WE'RE SPENDING $150,000 ANNUALLY PROBABLY ON A BUDGET TO TRY TO GO LOOK FOR SOMEBODY SOMEWHERE ELSE.

MR. KING SAID TO ME, HOW DO YOU GO GET THEM? YOU GO TO A CONFERENCE. $150,000 IS NO BUDGET.

YOU ARE NOT FLYING AROUND AMERICA DOING CONFERENCES.

SO THE OTHER APPROACH IS TO DO IT ONLINE.

IF WE CAN DO IT ONLINE IT'S EFFICIENT.

WE HAVE SOME TIME TO BUILD IT BECAUSE WE NEED TO FOCUS LOCALLY FIRST. RESTART AT HOME.

WHILE WE'RE DOING THAT WE'RE TRYING TO WRAP IT UP AND GET IT BACK TO COMMISSIONER BOLLA'S QUESTION, BACK TO WHERE IT SHOULD BE. AGAIN, THIS IS NOT AN AN EASY

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IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE DYNAMIC ENOUGH TO SHIFT GEARS WHEN THEY

NEED TO. >> COMMISSIONER: I AGREE THEY SHOULD WORK TOGETHER BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT THE MARINE CORPS AND NAVY SHOULD MERGE JUST BECAUSE THEY SHOULD COORDINATE.

THAT'S ALL I AM SAYING. I AGREE THEY SHOULD WORK TOGETHER AND I HOPE YOU WORK WITH THE EDC WHOEVER IT IS IF IT'S YOU OR SOMEBODY ELSE. I WOULD HOPE THAT HAPPENS REGARDLESS OF WHAT DECISION WE MAKE TONIGHT.

BUT JUST BECAUSE SHOULD WORK TOGETHER DOESN'T MEAN THEY SHOULD BE THE EXACT SAME ORGANIZATION.

>> I'LL ANSWER THAT IN A DIFFERENT WAY.

WE GO TO WAR THE PRESIDENT SAYS WE'RE GOING TO WAR AND THE CONGRESS SAYS WE'RE GOING TO GO THE CHIEF OF STAFF SAYS LINE UP THIS IS WHERE WE'RE GOING. IT'S EASIER FOR ME TO TELL EVERYBODY UNDER MY UM BREAUXA TO LINE UP.

THE ONLY TIME CLAY COUNTY HAS UNITED SINCE I HAVE HERE IN THE LAST YEAR IS WHEN OUR COUNTY MANAGER SAID THIS IS COVID-19 I LEAVE NEED ALL OF YOU TO GET TOGETHER.

THE TRUTH IS IT'S BEEN FRAGMENTED FOR A LONG TIME.

THIS ISSUE IS NOT NEW. THIS ISSUE HAS CAUSED A LOT OF ISSUES. BUT BESIDES ALL THE FRICTION, IT WAS ALWAYS SUPPOSED TO BE TOGETHER.

THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FROM MY UNDERSTANDING AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG YOU GUYS ARE OUT HERE A LOT LONGER THAN ME. FIVE YEARS AGO WAS UNDER ONE UMBRELLA. IT BROKE APART.

WHEN IT DID IT DIDN'T MEAN IT WAS THE RIGHT THING TO DO.

IT MEANS THAT SOMEBODY WANTED IT TO BREAK APART SO IT BROKE APART. TODAY WE'RE PAYING FOR THAT.

WHEN WE STARTED COVID-19 AND THE COUNTY MANAGER SAYS I WANT YOU TO PICK GO OUT THERE AND HELP ALL THE BUSINESSES IN CLAY COUNTY. WE HAVE TO MOBILIZE TO HELP ALL THE BUSINESSES IN CLAY COUNTY. THE PERSON APPROVING ALL THE LOANS WAS SBDC. SVDC COULD HAVE SAID I AM NOT HELPING CLAY COUNTY BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T FUND IT.

BUT WE MOBILIZE IT AND WE ASKED JANICE AND EVERYBODY ELSE TO DO WHAT THEY NEEDED TO DO. THE POINT I AM SAYING TO YOUR POINT COMMISSIONER ROLLINS IS THIS.

WE HAVE A STRUCTURE. IT DOESN'T MEAN MORE THAN ANYTHING ELSE IT'S AN ANOMALY. IT'S NOT THE NORM.

THIS IS AN ANOMALY. RIGHT NOW IN THE DIRECTION THAT WE HAVE TO GO, I MEAN, ONE OF YOU TELL ME HOW THIS IS GOING TO BE EASY. THIS IS GOING TO BE THE TOUGHEST NEXT YEAR OF MY LIFE. AND THE INCUBATOR CONVERSATION.

THEY'RE ALL SYNERGISTIC. THEY BELONG TO THE SAME UMBRELLA. JACK'S CHAMBER IS OPENING THEIR OWN INCUBATOR. THEY HAVE THE EDC.

THEY HAVE ALL THE BUSINESSES ON THE ONE.

THIS IS NOT A NEW MODEL. THIS IS THE WAY IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN BUT, AGAIN, SOMETHING BROKE IT APART.

TODAY I AM TELLING YOU BASED ON THE POST-COVID PROBLEMS THAT WE HAVE, IF WE WANT TO MAKE A DENT IN CLAY COUNTY RIGHT NOW, THIS IS THE WAY TO DO IT THE FASTEST. THIS IS THE WAY TO DO IT.

WE MOBILIZE FASTER THAN ANYBODY ELSE.

I DO. I'M NOT IN THE SUNSHINE.

I DON'T HAVE THOSE PROBLEMS. I LOOKED AT YOUR GUN RANGE.

I MEAN, THAT THING HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR A WHILE.

I'M TELLING BOB OLSON IF WE HAVE TO DO THAT PROBABLY HAPPEN A WHOLE LOT FASTER IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR.

I GET IT. IT'S GOVERNMENT.

WE DON'T CARE HOW WE GET THERE RESTARTING OUR ECONOMY WE ARE THE BEST OPTION IN RESTARTING OUR ECONOMY.

THAT'S WHAT I AM SAYING. >> COMMISSIONER: WHAT THIS DIDN'T PROVIDE FOR ME IS THE STRUCTURE OF WHERE YOU ARE GOING TO INCORPORATE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THE CHAMBER.

IT WOULD IN MY OPINION BE A SEPARATE DIVISION.

>> IT HAS TO BE COMMISSIONER. >> COMMISSIONER: AND I WAS THERE SIX YEARS AGO AND IT WAS BROKEN. THAT'S WHY IT WAS SEPARATED.

IT WAS DESPERATELY BROKEN. SO, I DON'T HAVE CONFIDENCE IN THIS UNTIL I SEE HOW IS IT GOING TO FUNCTION HEALTHY BECAUSE THERE IS NO NEED TO VISIT [INAUDIBLE].

. >> SO I STARTED LOOKING INTO THAT. I DIDN'T REALIZE IT WASN'T A SEPARATE BANK ACCOUNT FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IN CHAMBER OF COMMERCE. THAT'S A PROBLEM.

IF IT'S A SUNSHINE ORGANIZATION THAT MONEY SHOULDN'T BE COMMINGLED WITH WHAT WE WERE DOING IN THE IS PAST.

SO THE FIRST THING IS THAT'S THE FLAW.

STRUCTURALLY IT'S A FLAW. ONE OF THE THINGS WE DID TAKE A GOOD HARD LOOK AT IS HOW DOES JAX CHAMBER DO THIS TO MAKE SURE YOU OPERATE AS AN SUNSHINE OPERATION INDEPENDENTLY BUT HAVE OVERSIGHT FROM US. THAT'S WHAT WE FOCUSED ON.

SO WHAT WE'RE HOPING TO DO IF WE WERE TO WIN THIS AWARD IS CREATE A SEPARATE ENTITY THAT HAS ORGANIZATIONAL OVERSIGHT FROM US, ORGANIZATIONAL MANAGEMENT PROVIDED BY ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PERSON THAT REPORTS DIRECTLY TO YOU GUYS BECAUSE IT WILL BE A SUNSHINE ORGANIZATION. SO, IT IS GOING TO BE

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WE HAVE TO DO IT. THAT'S THE ONLY WAY.

BECAUSE THE CHAMBER NEEDS TO REMAIN INDEPENDENT BECAUSE WE'RE NOT A SUNSHINE ORGANIZATION. IF WE TAKE PUBLIC MONEY WE MUST BE IN THE SUNSHINE. TO YOUR ANSWER, INVEST CLAY WILL BE A COMPLETELY INDEPENDENT ORGANIZATION AS FAR AS OPERATIONS AND FINANCES AND EVERYTHING ELSE.

>> COMMISSIONER: I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE--

>> COMMISSIONER: IN OUR BUDGET RIGHT NOW, $100,000 RIGHT?

HOW MUCH GOES TO JAX USA? >> COMMISSIONER: $50,000.

>> COMMISSIONER: RIGHT. OKAY.

SO THIS IS ASKING FOR-- >> COMMISSIONER: $64,000 MORE.

>> COMMISSIONER: I GUESS ADDITIONAL $300,000 ON TOP OF THE $100,000. AND THAT IS WITH DOING 50 TO

JACKSONVILLE. >> COMMISSIONER: IF I LOOKED IN THE DOCUMENT MA'AM IT LOOKED LIKE THE FIRST YEAR WAS $164,000. IS THAT CORRECT?

>> YES. SO, YOU GOT 50 ON TOP OF THAT IT

WOULD BE-- >> I CAN EVEN ANSWER THAT.

I LOOKED INTO THAT. NORTH FLORIDA REGIONAL COUNCIL THAT IS SUPPOSED TO BE BY STATUTE THROUGH THE STATE THE REGIONAL ARM OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.

EVERYBODY EXCEPT CLAY COUNTY IS A MEMBER.

AND I THINK-- WHEN I SPOKE TO THEM I THINK IT'S $0.44 PER RESIDENT IS PAID. IT'S LIKE $54,000 THAT IT WILL WORK OUT TO. SO THE CHOICES YOU PAY NEFRA OR JAX USA. THESE DECISIONS WERE MADE WAY BEFORE ME. JAX USA IS OPERATING AS A REGIONAL ARM BECAUSE EVERYBODY'S DECIDED TO CUT THEM A CHECK.

BUT THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE THE CONSTITUTIONAL MANDATE TO DO THAT IS NEFRA. THE REASON THAT IS PROBABLY THE PLACE WE SHOULD LOOK AT BECAUSE IF YOU WANT ANY FEDERAL MONEY OR WANT TO GO LOOK AFTER THE GRANTS NEFRAQ IS THE PEOPLE IN CHARGE.

THEY WILL GIVE YOU THE GREEN LIGHT OR AT LEAST THEY'LL HAVE SOME CLOUT ATTACHED TO IT. NORTHEAST FLORIDA REGIONAL

COUNCIL. >> COMMISSIONER: ARE YOU TALKING

ABOUT THE PLANNING COUNCIL? >> NO NORTHEAST FLORIDA REGIONAL COUNCIL. CLAY COUNTY CHAMBER FROM WHAT I WAS TOLD BY THE EXECUTIVE CHAMBER WITH WE DECIDED TO GO TO JAX USA WE STOPPED PAYING TO MEMBER SHIP TO THEM.

AND IT'S BASED ON THE POPULATION OF CLAY COUNTY.

WE'RE THE ONLY COUNTY REGIONALLY THAT'S NOT A MEMBER OF NEFRAQ.

I THINK IT'S $54,000. IT'S LIKE $0.44 PER RESIDENT.

>> COMMISSIONER: IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT THE

PLANNING COUNCIL. >> NO.

>> COMMISSIONER: THERE'S ANOTHER ORGANIZATION.

>> COMMISSIONER: WHO IS THE HEAD OF THE ONE YOU ARE TALKING

ABOUT? >> IT IS A NEW DIRECTOR.

NOT SURE OF HER NAME. I DID SPEAK TO HER.

>> COMMISSIONER: JACKSONVILLE LOOKED AT GETTING OUT OF THEM

TOO. >> I'M NOT SAYING THAT'S WHERE WE HAVE TO GO. WHAT I AM SAYING IS THEY ARE GETTING FUNDED FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.

RIGHT NOW IF WE GO AFTER GRANTS, THEY ARE THE APPROVER OF THAT LOCALLY IF WE WANT TO GO AFTER FEDERAL MONEY.

>> COMMISSIONER: BUT I THEY JUST RECEIVED $350,000 FOR REMI MODELING.

THEY JUST GOT THAT WHEN THE ONE IN SOUTH FLORIDA GOT THEIRS.

SO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAS APPROVED THEM THE FUNDING TO DO THE REMODELING WHICH INVOLVES HAVING A PHD STUDENT ATTACHED IT TO FROM FLORIDA STATE UNIVERSITY.

SO, AGAIN IT'S BECAUSE THERE'S A SHIFT LIKE EVERYTHING ELSE.

>> COMMISSIONER: THERE'S A LOT OF HISTORY.

>> I DON'T DISAGREE. I DON'T WANT TO PAY 50 GRAND TO

EVERYBODY. >> COMMISSIONER: WE DIDN'T SHIFT FROM ONE TO THE OTHER. WE WERE PAYING INTO BOTH.

WE ASKED THE REGIONAL PLANNING COUNCIL TO PRESENT THEIR BEST AND BRIGHTEST WHY DO WE NEED YOU.

IT WAS SO UNINSPIRING AND UNSPECIFIC HOW IT HELPED CLAY COUNTY RESIDENTS WE VOTE TO GET OUT.

SINCE THAT TIME WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY ISSUES.

BECAUSE THEY STILL CHARGE US FOR THE SERVICES THEY WERE PROVIDING BEFORE. IT WAS LIKE SAM'S CLUB YOU HAD TO PAY AND THEN YOU HAD TO PLAY. JACKSON VILLE RECENTLY LOOKED AT GETTING OUT. I MEAN, IN THE '80S WHEN THERE WAS NO INTERNAL PLANNING THE REGIONAL PLANNING COUNCILS MADE

SENSE. >> COMMISSIONER: OR EVEN BEFORE THAT TELL YOU THIS MUCH. I'M NOT PAYING 50 GRAND TO

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IN THE WORLD OF GRANTS WITH EVERYTHING THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN, SVA IS FUNDING THEM DIRECTLY.

THEY'VE RECEIVED THE LION'S SHARE OF MONEY RIGHT NOW.

>> COMMISSIONER: I'VE GOT A COUPLE OF QUICK QUESTIONS.

WENDELL, IF YOU JUMPING INTO THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT GAME YOU ARE SORT OF NEAR THE GROUND LEVEL IT DOESN'T SEEM TO ME THAT YOU'VE GOT ENOUGH PEOPLE TO HANDLE THAT EFFORT TO GET IT OFF THE GROUND. I KNOW YOU WANT TO START LEAN

BUT LEAN IS ONE THING. >> I MEAN, ONE OF THIS THINGS WE'VE DONE SO THERE'S ONE NEW HIRE.

AND ONE EXISTING THAT WILL SHIFT OVER.

WE HAVE TWO PEOPLE TO GO. ONE OF THE THINGS WE'VE DONE AT THE CHAMBER SO WE CAN CONTROL OUR COSTS.

THE GRANT WRITER. AND REMI.

REMI IS A CONSULTANT THAT WE'LL GET.

IT'S A CONSULTANT AS OPPOSED TO PAY ONE TIME AND GET IT.

I MEAN, HOW MUCH MONEY COULD YOU DEVOTE TO RESOURCES? THAT'S THE PROBLEM. YOU WANT THE QUALITY WORK BUT YOU WANT IT AT THE LOWEST COST. THAT'S ME.

THAT'S WHAT I WANT. SO THE MODEL WILL HAVE TWO DEDICATED PEOPLE. AS FAR AS FINANCING IS CONCERNED, WE HAVE SOMEBODY AT THE CHAMBER WHO CAN DO THAT RIGHT NOW. AND AS FAR AS-- THAT WILL BE THREE. MORE THAN PROBABLY WHAT WE HAVE NOW. MORE PEOPLE DEDICATED TO IT.

MY JOB WILL BE OVERSIGHT AND ORGANIZATIONAL MANAGEMENT.

THEIR JOB EXECUTION. >> COMMISSIONER: IF YOU HAVE MORE PEOPLE THAN YOU DID IN THE CHART.

IN ADDITION TO THE 164.6 YOU ARE GOING TO GET $180,000 FROM SPONSORS. GIVEN THE BLEAK OUTLOOK THAT YOU HAVE JUST EXPRESSED FOR THE NEXT 12 MONTHS IS THAT A REALISTIC NUMBER BASED ON THE FACT THAT THERE'S A LOT OF BUSINESSES JUST TRYING TO STAY IN BUSINESS AND EVERYBODY TRYING TO INVEST IN

HELPING US FIND NEW BUSINESS. >> THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.

I CAN ANSWER THAT FACTUALLY. I'M IN THE MIDDLE OF FUNDRAISING RIGHT NOW BECAUSE OUR FISCAL YEAR ENDS IN SEPTEMBER AND WE START BACK IN OCTOBER. I HAVE SPOKEN TO SEVERAL PEOPLE.

I'M NOT GOING TO SAY WHO THEY ARE FOR PURPOSES.

THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO HAVE TODAY WAS THE FIRST DAY I'VE HAD A LITTLE BIT OF PUSH BACK AND IT'S BECAUSE OF A MERGER WAS WASTE MANAGEMENT. THE WASTE MANAGEMENT ORGANIZATIONS. BECAUSE THEY ARE IN THE MIDDLE OF A MERGER. THEY HAVE NOT DECREASED.

THEY SAID WE CAN COMMIT TO YOU FOR THAT BUT OUR MERGER AND ACQUISITION IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN UNTIL SEPTEMBER.

SO, COULD YOU SEND THE MONEY BACK IN OCTOBER.

TO DATE I HAVE ONE CONVERSATION WITH MY CHAIRMAN'S HERE AND HE DON'T EVEN KNOW I HAD THE CONVERSATION WITH THE JACKSONVILLE JAGUARS. ONE OF THE THINGS WE'VE DONE IS ASK THEM IF THEY CAN COME BACK TO THE TABLE.

AND THEY SAYS WENDELL WE'RE WILLING TO COME BACK TO THE TABLE BECAUSE THE MARKET IS IMPORTANT TO US.

COULD WE RAISE THE MONEY? SO FAR I HAVEN'T LOST ANY REVENUE. EVERYBODY INCLUDING ONE-- I'M NOT GOING SAY WHO IT IS-- THEY HAVE INCREASED.

SO I THINK THERE'S OPPORTUNITY TO RAISE THE MONEY.

IF YOU ASKED ME THIS BEFORE AUGUST I WOULD HAVE SAID COMMISSIONER THERE'S SOME UNCERTAINTY BUT RIGHT NOW I THINK IT'S LOOKING OKAY. IT'S NOT ROSY.

I GOT TO BE OPTIMISTIC ABOUT THIS BECAUSE I HAVE TO RAISE MONEY BUT SO FAR IT LOOKS OKAY. PEOPLE ARE ABLE TO MAKE THEIR

CONTRIBUTIONS. >> COMMISSIONER: I BUY IN TO WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT IN TERMS OF ECONOMIC GARDENING WHERE YOU ARE GROWING YOUR BUSINESSES AT HOME AND INVESTING IN THEM SO THEY CONTINUE TO GROW AND IT MAKES IT EASIER BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT OUT TRYING TO CONVINCE A LOT OF PEOPLE TO MOVE TO YOUR AREA. BUT WHAT WOULD YOUR TERMS OF PERCENTAGE BE OF KEEPING ON TOP OF THE LOCAL MARKET.

BECAUSE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT A LARGE PORTION OF THAT AT LEAST IN TERMS OF JUDGING WHETHER YOU ARE SUCCESSFUL IS BRINGING A KA LABO OR SOMEBODY ELSE IN TO BRING NEW JOBS AND NEW REVENUES.

BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HOPING.

WE'RE SPENDING $150,000 A YEAR NOW.

BOTH YOU AND EDC HAVE ASKED FOR SUBSTANTIALLY MORE.

BOTTOM LINE IS IN ADDITION TO JOBS WE ALSO WANT TO CREATE A COMMERCIAL TAX BASE. SO, IF YOU ARE NOT BRINGING NEW BUSINESSES IN THAT ARE CREATING THAT NEW TAX BASE AND NEW JOBS ON TOP OF EVERYTHING ELSE YOU ARE DOING.

WHAT PERCENTAGE OF EFFORT ARE YOU LOOKING AT?

>>? THE FIRST YEAR IT'S GOING TO BE STRUCTURE ULE THINGS. IF NOTHING ELSE WE GET OUT OF HERE IS UNDERSTANDING WHAT IS THE LOCATION QUO SHAN'T.

I TELL YOU WHY I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT AND WHAT OPENED UP MY EYES. WE HAVE POSSIBLY THREE HOSPITALS IN CLAY COUNTY FOR 260,000 RESIDENTS.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT THAT COMPARATIVELY TO JACKSONVILLE

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SO IF IT SAYS TEN PERCENT OF OUR WORKERS NATIONALLY IS CONNECTED TO HEALTH SERVICES. WHAT PERCENTAGE OF OUR LOCAL ECONOMY IS ATTACHED TO HEALTH SERVICES? THAT NUMBER IS REFLECTED AS 1.7. THAT IS SPEAKING THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT LANGUAGE THAT IS TELLING PEOPLE NATIONALLY OR WHOEVER IS LOOK AT US THAT THERE'S SOMETHING HAPPENING IN CLAY COUNTY WHERE THERE'S A STRATEGIC ADVANTAGE OR A SECTOR THAT IS DEVELOPING BETTER THAN OTHER AREAS.

WHY THAT IS IMPORTANT? WE'RE IN A DOGFIGHT WITH JACKSONVILLE. WE'RE IN A DOGFIGHT WITH ST. JOHNS'S COUNTY. WE DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT STRATEGIC ADVANTAGES WE HAVE. EVEN IF WE KNOW, HOW DO WE REFLECT THAT SO PEOPLE WHO ARE OUTSIDE OF CLAY COUNTY CAN QUICKLY LOOK AT IT AND SAYS WE NEED TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT MARKET BECAUSE THERE'S SOMETHING GOING ON THERE THAT WE KNOW.

KA MOORS, PERFECT EXAMPLE. NICOLE CALLED ME A YEAR AGO AND SAID I AM SPENDING $100 MILLION TO BRING IN KA MOORS.

MOST PEOPLE DON'T KNOW ABOUT IT BECAUSE I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND IT.

THEY HAVE A U.S. ARMY CONTRACT THAT'S GRAND FATHERED IN CAMP BLANDING. WE DO 138 JOBS AVERAGE SALARY WHATEVER IT TURNS OUT TO BE. NOBODY KNOWS ABOUT THAT COMPANY EXCEPT THE PEOPLE WHO DO BUSINESS WITH THEM OR THE RESIDENTS WHO THINK WELL THEY'RE THE WORST THING OR THE BEST THING. BUT THAT IS MINING.

WE HAVE A HUGE MINING INDUSTRY IN CLAY COUNTY THAT WE DON'T TALK ABOUT. WHEN WE LOOK AT VUL CAN THAT'S OPEN PIT MINING HAPPENING HERE. UNTIL WE SPEAK THAT LANGUAGE OTHER PEOPLE WOULDN'T KNOW THAT YOU SHOULD MOVE OR ALIGN YOURSELF WITH THAT SECTOR IN CLAY COUNTY.

SO WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO SPEAK THE LANGUAGE OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. SO I THINK RIGHT NOW FOR THE FIRST YEAR I WANT TO BE REALISTIC IN ANSWERING YOUR QUESTION. I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF DEVELOPMENT WORK THAT HAS TO HAPPEN ACCORDING TO COMMISSION BOLLA TO MAKE ALL THIS HAPPEN. SO, IN THE FIRST YEAR WHAT I AM COMMITTING IS MAKING SURE THE $500 MILLION ON THE BOOKS WE CAN GET I GOING AGAIN LOCALLY AND WE CAN GET THOSE PEOPLE RESTARTED.

WITHIN MY MEMBERSHIP I HAVE A FEW PEOPLE WHO HAVE ALREADY INDICATED THEY WILL CONTINUE TO DO BUSINESS IN CLAY COUNTY.

NEW PROJECTS ONLINE. AND THAT WILL AMOUNT TO JUST UNDER $10 MILLION. SO, WE'RE GOING TO KEEP, TO YOUR POINT, FARMING THOSE. AS FAR AS NEW BUSINESSES? I DON'T THINK WE'RE IN THE BEST POSITION NOW TO SPEAK THAT LANGUAGE. BECAUSE AGAIN WE'RE NOT TALKING THEIR LANGUAGE. WE JUST CAN'T REFLECT IT PROPERLY. IT'S ALL HIGH PER ALEE, OPINION.

THIS IS WHERE IT'S HAPPENING. YESTERDAY UNITY FIBER, TIKO GAS.

I HAVE TO CONNECT THEM WITH CHALLENGER CENTER.

I HAD A MEETING WITH HIM. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT GROWTH AND DEVELOPMENT WITH HIM GETTING $6 MILLION ON CHALLENGER CENTER.

HE SAYS I'M TRYING TO GET NATURAL GAS BECAUSE NATURAL GAS IS IMPORTANT TO MANUFACTURING. NOW THAT I AM GOING TO BREAK THE FIRST, IN HAVE TO MAKE THE CONNECTION WITH TIKO. I DID THAT. UNITY FIBER.

THE SAME THING. WE LOOK AT BROADBAND IN CLAY COUNTY AS NOT AS A UTILITY. WE NEED TO LOOK AT IT AS A UTILITY. I HAVE TO CONNECT UNITY FIBER WITH WALTER WHO IS GOING TO DO THE PROJECT MANAGEMENT FOR YOU GUYS. THERE'S SOME MISSING LINKS THAT WE THINK WE CAN QUICKLY CONNECT, YOU KNOW, WITH OUR NETWORK PRETTY QUICKLY. SO, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION IN THE FIRST YEAR, SIR, I THINK WE'RE GOING TO FOCUS LOCALLY.

THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME OF THAT GOING ON.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE LARGE PERCENTAGE IS BECAUSE I GOT TO GET THE SYSTEM UP AND RUNNING AND I DON'T WANT TO MAKE PROMISES I CAN'T KEEP. AND I THINK IF WE CAN GET THE $500 MILLION BACK ON THE GROUND STARTED, THAT'S A GOOD FIRST YEAR. A GOOD FIRST YEAR.

>> COMMISSIONER: THANK YOU. >> CHAIRMAN: THANK YOU, WENDELL.

KAREN NEXT PRESENTER. J.J. HARRIS, CLAY COUNTY ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION.

OBVIOUSLY THIS IS GOING TO TAKE LONGER THAN FIVE MINUTES.

I TOLD WENDELL FIVE MINUTES A HALF-HOUR AGO.

. >> THANK YOU.

I THINK YOU GUYS ARE SAINTS. THE STUFF YOU HAVE TO PUT UP WITH ON THE PHONE COMING IN TIME AND TIME AGAIN.

YOU'RE SAINTS. ON BEHALF OF CLAY COUNTY ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION BOARD OF DIRECTORS WE THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT OUR RFP RESPONSE AND FUTURE PROGRAM OUTLINE. OUR CHAIRMAN GEORGE EGAN IS OUT OF TOWN WORKING TO LURE NEW DEVELOPMENT TO THE AREA AND WILL BE AVAILABLE BY PHONE LATER. I WANT TO RECOGNIZE ONE OF OUR BOARD MEMBERS AND LAURA THE OFFICE STAFF THAT'S HERE WITH

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CLAY COUNTY JOBS INCREASED FROM 2015 TO 2019 # 7,051 OR 13.8 PERCENT. NEW BUSINESS STARTS IN 2019 ALONE WERE OVER 100. INCREASING FROM 4,531 TO 4631.

$13.7 MILLION IN GRANTS PENDING THROUGH DEO WHAT'S WE HAVE APPLIED FOR AND ARE WAITING AWARD.

THIS INCLUDES PROJECTS IN GREEN COVE SPRINGS IN KEYSTONE HEIGHTS. WE'VE BEEN AWARDED $420,000 BY DEO, DRG GRANTS TO INCLUDE THE COUNTY BRANDING THAT YOU RECOGNIZE TODAY. WE'VE ALSO BEEN AWARDED $290,000 THIS YEAR ALONE FOR GREEN COVE SPRINGS.

$250,000 FOR ELECTRICAL LIKE EXTENSION IMPROVEMENTS.

AND ANOTHER $40,000 IN TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE FOR THEIR GIS SYSTEM.

SO, WE'RE EXPERIENCING GRANT WRITING AND ARE BRINGING THE MONEY HOME. YOU ARE LEVERAGING YOUR INVESTMENT. WE'RE THE FISCAL AGENT FOR CLAY DAY ACTIVITIES IN TALLAHASSEE. CLAY EDC IS IN THE PROCESS OF INTERNATIONAL ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COUNCIL ACCREDITATION REVIEW. THERE'S ONLY 68 IN THE NATION NOW. PROBABLY ON THURSDAY WITH YOUR APPROVAL OF A CONTRACT TODAY OUR RFP GOING FORWARD FOR MULTI-YEAR WE WILL BE IN THE 69. OUR ORGANIZATIONAL STRUCTURE IS A 501(C)(3) SO WE CAN LEVERAGE MORE GRANTS AND PROVIDE MORE BENEFIT TO INVESTORS. WE HAVE NO POLITICAL AGENDA.

WE REPRESENT ALL OF CLAY COUNTY NOT JUST MEMBERS.

WE OPERATE UNDER THE FLORIDA SUNSHINE LAWS AND OPEN DOOR LAWS. BOARD MEMBERS SIGN A CONFLICT OF INTEREST FORM AND CONFIDENTIALITY AGREEMENTS.

THE NEW BOARD STRUCTURE WHICH WE APPROVED LAST MONTH WILL INCREASE OUR BOARD MEMBERS TO 14.

IN ADDITION TO THAT FOR OUR STRATEGIC SITES PROGRAM GOING FORWARD WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A STRATEGIC PLANNING COUNCIL WITH REPRESENTATION FROM UP TO 45 NEW MEMBERS ACROSS THE COUNTY TO HELP GUIDE US IN THIS DEVELOPMENT PROCESS.

WE'RE FINANCIALLY STABLE. WE HAVE NO FINANCIAL LOSSES.

NO DEBT. ALL VENDORS ARE PAID TIMELY.

WE'RE PRUDENT WITH OUR FINANCIAL RESOURCES AND GOING FORWARD WE WILL HAVE AN ANNUAL AUDIT BY A CPA FIRM.

THE SITE READINESS PROGRAM WE'RE PROPOSING WILL INCLUDE CREATING INVENTORY. SITES INVENTORY READY TO DEVELOP. AND AS A JOB CENTER THAT WILL INCLUDE INFRASTRUCTURE, VIRTUAL BUILDING DESIGNS, AT LEAST FIVE CONSENT PLAN SPEC BUILDINGS THAT WE CAN TAKE TO ANY ONE PARSE ALL THAT WE CHOOSE TO INCLUDE THE CHALLENGER CENTER, KEYSTONE HEIGHTS AIRPORT, GREEN COVE OR MULTIPLE SMALL SITES AROUND CLAY COUNTY. YOU SEE PAGE 4.

SO WE RESPONDED IN THE LAST TWO YEARS TO 49 PROJECT INQUIRIES.

SURE THESE ARE NATIONAL COMPANIES DOING SITE LOCATIONS BUT THEY ALSO COME FROM OUR PARTNERS FROM EFI AND JAX USA WHICH WE HAVE A CLOSE RELATIONSHIP THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT. OUR PARTNERS LIKE THE CHAMBER AND CCDA ALSO HAVE A ROLE TO PLAY IN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.

WE'LL CONTINUE WITH THAT ROLE. WE WILL SUPPORT THEM IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF I INCUBATOR PROGRAM.

THERE IS NOT AN ALL OR ONE OR ALL OR NONE.

EVEN AFTER THE SALE WE'RE GOING TO SERVICE THE BUSINESSES HERE.

YOU MIGHT SEE THAT THEY LISTED CULVERS.

WELL THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT. THEY ARE HERE.

THEY WEREN'T LOCAL. THEY'RE HERE AND THEY'RE OPERATING AND SUPPORTING THE CHAMBER.

EXCELLENT EXAMPLE. WE WORKED ON THE BACK END WITH MARREDON REALTY AND CLINT MURPHY RETAIL SITE SELECTION GROUP TO HELP LOCATE THEM HERE. AND THEY'RE UP AND OPERATING AND STILL MEMBERS AND PARTICIPATING. THEY'RE SUPPORTING THE REALTY AND CLINT MURPHY ARE SUPPORTING US AND THE BUSINESSES ARE HERE SUPPORTING THE CHAMBER AFTER THE SELL.

SO THAT'S A GOOD DELINEATION OF WHAT WE DO.

SO HOW DO WE HELP LOCAL BUSINESS? WELL THE BUSINESS RETENTION AND EXPANSION PORTION OF WHAT WE DO IS THE MOST IMPORTANT. 90 PERCENT OF OUR ACTIVITIES GO TO SUPPORT EXISTING BUSINESSES AND GROWTH.

WHY? WE'VE GOT TO INCREASE THE TAX BASE. SO, WEAVE AAPPLIED OR SUPPORTED OVER $19 MILLION IN GRANT APPLICATIONS. WE'VE COMPLETED A

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WE'VE ALSO COMPLETED THE BOARD GOVERNANCE REVIEW AND ACTION PLAN FOR EXPANSION. WE BRANG IN SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS AND HOSTED THE FIRST COAST EXPRESSWAY.

CURRENT EXPANSION PROJECTS. NEXT SLIDE.

LET'S TALK ABOUT ORANGE PARK MEDICAL CENTER.

FOR PROFIT TAX PAYING ENTITY. LAST OCTOBER THEY CONTACTD US THROUGH ERNST & YOUNG AND ASKED FOR DEMOGRAPHIC INFORMATION AND INCENTIVE INFORMATION. WE REACHED OUT TO OUR JAX USA PARTNERS AND EFI. WORKING TOGETHER WE CAME TO THE COUNTY WITH SHARICE AND FRAN WE DEVELOPED THEIR INCENTIVE PAPPLICATION. WE HELPED GUIDE THEM THROUGH THAT PROCESS. FRAN GOT IT AND SHARICE GOT IT IN FRONT OF THE FINANCE AND AUDIT COMMITTEE.

THEY NEEDED IT DONE BY DECEMBER. BROUGHT IT TO YOU IN DECEMBER AND YOU APPROVED IT. THE INITIAL APPLICATION WAS FOR $65 MILLION IN INVESTMENT. 20 TO 30 JOBS.

ACA DID THE LAST ALLOCATION OF THE BUDGET THAT CAME UP 26-- THAT'S THE SUPPORT THAT COMPANIES GET WHEN THEY WANT TO EXPAND HERE THE PARTNERSHIPS THAT WE BRING TO THE TABLE IN WORKING WITH YOU. LET'S TALK ABOUT FP & L.

THAT WAS ONE PARCEL WE HAD ABOUT 1,390 ACRES NOW.

A LARGER PARCEL PAID ABOUT $3,000 IN TAX REVENUE AS AG PINE FOREST. NOT VERY MUCH IN REVENUE WHEN WE TALK ABOUT WHAT IT IS. SINCE THE CHANGE OF USE FROM AG PINE TO FPNL IT PAYS $75,000 IN TAXES.

LOOK IT UP ON THE LOCAL WEBSITE. $67,000 INCREASE BY CHANGE OF USE AND OWNERSHIP. THAT'S A DIRECT BENEFIT TO EVERYONE. SO, PAST GEM PLANT MANUFACTURING NOW WORKING OUT OF REYNOLDS INDUSTRIAL PARK.

JOSH AND I WENT AND DID A SITE VISIT WITH THEM.

THEY SAID THEY WERE LOOKING FOR PROPERTY.

THEY NEEDED 25 TO $35,000 FEET. WE WORKED WITH REYNOLDS INDUSTRIAL PARK. PUT THEM IN AN 88,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING AND THEY NOW OCCUPY THE ENTIRE BUILDING.

ROLLER DIE. EXISTING BUILDING $75,000 SQUARE FEET. THEY LEASED IT.

WORKING WITH THEM IN PREPARATION OF AN INCENTIVE PACKAGE THEY'VE NOW BOUGHT FIVE ACRES AND THE EXISTING BUILDING AND WILL DO AN EXPANSION NEXT YEAR. GRANT REQUEST WE HAVE SUBMITTED AND PENDING 330,000 FOR WATERLINE SEWER LINE EXTENSION.

13 MILL DOLLARS FOR THE KEYSTONE HEIGHTS AIRPORT. AND BY WORKING WITH CCUA JEREMY PUT $4 MILLION IN THEIR BUDGET TO HELP LEVERAGE THIS OPPORTUNITY. AND THEN WE HAVE $122,000 IN DRG GRANTS PENDING. ONE FOR STRA TEAKIC PLANNING BECAUSE OUR STRATEGIC PLAN IS AT THE END OF FIVE YEARS.

PART OF WHICH THE CHAMBER PARTICIPATED IN.

THE BCC PARTICIPATED IN. THEY FINANCIALLY SUPPORT IT.

IT'S AT THE END OF ITS LIFECYCLE IF CYCLE.

WE HAVE TO DO IT AGAIN. WE NEED JOB CENTERS.

IT WAS MENTIONED THE SALES TAX IS DECLINING.

YES. BUT LOOK AT THE 7.5 PERCENT REVENUE INCREASE FROM AD VALOREM THAT YOU REALIZED THAT WAS BELIEVED LAST MONTH WHEN TRYING TO SET THE MILLAGE RATE.

WHERE DO YOU THINK THAT'S COMING FROM.

THAT'S ORGANIC GROWTH THAT WE HELP.

THAT'S WHAT WE DO. IN SUMMARY WE WORK TO SUPPORT ALL ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ACROSS THE FIELD.

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THEY'RE THE ONES AFFECTED MOST BY THIS RIGHT NOW.

THERE'S NOT A THING THAT WE CAN DO BEFORE REMOVING THE STATE AND FEDERAL MANDATES THAT SAY WE CAN'T OPERATE OUR TOURISM BUSINESSES OR HOSPITALITY INDUSTRIES BUT WE SURE CAN INVEST IN OUR STRATEGIC PLAN LIKE WE HAVE.

WE HAVE HIGH-PAYING JOBS-- AVIATION, HEALTHCARE, WHICH WE'RE SUPPORTING WHETHER IT BE CLAY BAPTIST, HCA, ST. VINCENT, ALL CONTRIBUTE TO THE LOCAL ECONOMY INCLUDING OUR EYE DOCTORS AND VETERINARIAN PRACTICES.

ALL HIGH-PAYING JOBS. THIS WHAT'S WE DO.

WE ARE VERY SPECIFIC IN WHAT WE DO.

WE DON'T TRY TO TAKE ON TOO MANY T TASKS. WE DON'T HAVE THE STAFF BUT WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT LATER. THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO

PRESENT. >> CHAIRMAN: WHAT DO YOU THINK YOU CAN DO BETTER THAN WHAT WENDELL SAID HE IS GOING TO DO.

>> WE'RE BEYOND THAT STAGE. I'VE BEEN HERE TWO YEARS.

THEY WENT THROUGH THREE DIRECTORS.

I'VE BEEN HERE-- I WAS SELECTED OUT OF A NATIONAL RECRUITMENT FROM ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DIRECTORS WHICH YOU FINANCIALLY SUPPORTED THE RECRUITMENT PROCESS.

YOU'VE ALSO FOUR OR FIVE YEARS AGO, THE BCC, SELECTED AT LEAST TWO MEMBERS TO KICK OFF THIS ORGANIZATION.

JERRY AND TED. THAT HELPED GUIDE AND DEVELOP AND RECRUIT THE BOARD MEMBERS WE HAVE HERE.

NOW AM I A SAINT OF ALL THINGS THAT'S GOING TO BE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT? NO.

I'M HUMAN. BUT WE WORK WITH STRATEGIC PARTNERSHIPS TO ACCOMPLISH THE MISSION SET OUT IN THE STRATEGIC PLAN. THE STRATEGIC PLAN WILL EVOLVE AND CHANGE JUST AS WE CHANGED AND EVOLVE AND WE'LL GROW OUR BOARD. BUT WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS A SITE READINESS JOBS PROGRAM FOR JOB CENTERS TO COINCIDE WITH THE FIRST COAST EXPRESSWAY. THERE'S GOING TO BE AT LEAST FIVE. WON'T BE AT LEAST ONE.

BUT WE GOT TO START SMALL AND WE WANT TO WORK THAT.

SO WE WANT TO MAKE THE INVESTMENTS IN INFRASTRUCTURE WHERE IT STRATEGICALLY MAKES SENSE.

TALKING WITH DEL. REAFFIRMING WHAT'S HAPPENING ON ATLANTIS DRIVE. WHEN THAT BID GOES OUT FOR THE INFRASTRUCTURE IN THE ROAD IN SEPTEMBER WHEN THE RESPONSES COME BACK IN OCTOBER IT'S GOING BE 300 DAYS.

THAT ROAD IS GOING TO BE IN ONE-THIRD OF THE WAY.

AS YOU WORK TO PUSH THE OTHER INFRASTRUCTURE THERE, CLAY ELECTRIC, TIKO, UNITY FIBER, YOU'VE GOT A MARKETABLE SITE.

RIGHT NOW WE'VE GOT PASTURE LAND.

IT'S NOT CONFUSE THAT WITH ANYTHING ELSE.

WE'VE GOT PINE FOREST. SO A DEVELOPER THAT IS AN IMPEDIMENT. WHY? THEY GOT TO CLEAR THE TREES. WE HOSTED A GROUP AT GREEN COVE SPRINGS WITH STEVE KENNEDY WHEN HE FIRST GOT HERE FROM THAILAND THAT WANTED TO PUT IN SOME AC WAY CULTURE FACILITIES.

WE SHOWED HIM A GREAT SITE. THEY COULDN'T GET OVER IT.

MAYBE THEY DON'T HAVE A LOT OF TREES IN THAILAND.

THEY COULDN'T GET OVER HOW YOU REMOVE THE TREES.

IT WAS LIKE COMBINE AND CORN FOR US TO GO IN AND REMOVE SOME PINE TREES. IT WOULDN'T BE THAT HARD TO BUILD THESE FACILITIES. AND WE HOSTED THAT WITH CONGRESSMAN'S OFFICE. SO, WHEN GAVE INGETS IN WE HOPE TO HAVE A FEW MORE SITE VISITS LIKE THAT.

BUT WHAT'S IMPORTANT IS WE MARKET-- AND THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS WE CAN'T TALK ABOUT. IF THERE'S SOMEBODY THAT SAYS YOU SIGND THIS CONFIDENTIALITY AGREEMENT I'M ABC CORPORATION, WE MIGHT SEE THEIR FINANCIALS. WE MIGHT NOT EVEN KNOW WHO THEY ARE AND WE HAVE TO PLAY BALL IN THAT COURT.

I WANT TO SHARE AS MUCH INFORMATION AS I CAN WITH YOU AT ANY TIME. IF IT IS A MONTHLY MEETING YOU WANT ME HERE TO BRIEF WHICH IS PROBABLY NOT AS PRACTICAL BUT I CAN SEND A SUMMARY SHEET. I CAN COME IN PERSON IF I CAN'T BE HERE BECAUSE I'M OUT. I'M GLAD TO DO WHATEVER.

HERE'S THE METRICS THAT IS MOST IMPORTANT THAT WE TALK ABOUT.

JOBS. SO, APRIL WE WERE 10.2 PERCENT UNEMPLOYMENT. PRE-COVID WE WERE 2.9.

RIGHT NOW WE'RE 6.8. I BRIEF THAT AND I PROVIDE DOCUMENTATION IN OUR QUARTERLY REPORTS.

WHERE DOES THAT COME FROM? DEO.

IT USUALLY COMES OUT ON THE 17TH OF EACH MONTH.

VERY IMPORTANT. I ALSO BRIEF OR PROVIDE THE DATA ON THE HOUSING MARKET. WHY IS THAT SO IMPORTANT? BECAUSE YOU GOT TO HAVE JOBS. TO GET THE JOBS YOU HAVE TO HAVE PEOPLE TO LIVE HERE. LET'S LOOK AT THE PROPERTY VALUES INCREASE IN EACH OF THE AREAS.

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BUT THOSE ARE BROKE DOWN BY CLAY COUNTY, GREEN COVE SPRINGS.

WHY IS THAT AVAILABLE? BECAUSE I HAVE A REAL ESTATE LICENSE AND I AM A MEMBER OF THE FLORIDA REALTORS AND I CAN PULL THAT DATA. THERE'S MANY DATA SOURCES THAT YOU CAN USE. SO, BETWEEN AD VALOREM PROPERTY TAX INCREASES, JOB RATES, FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS, I CAN GIVE YOU ALL KINDS OF DATA THAT SHOWS CLAY COUNTY IS GOING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. SURE WE'VE GOT A HICCUP RIGHT NOW WITH THIS PANDEMIC BUT WE'RE NOT AS BAD AS OTHER COMMUNITIES.

WE'RE STILL GOING FORWARD. OUR HOUSING IS STILL STRONG.

ANOTHER THING THAT I PROVIDED IN THAT WAS THE HOUSING REPORT.

SO I WANT TO SAY THERE'S AT LEAST 24 NEW HOUSING STARTS IN THE LAST THREE MONTHS. SHARICE CAN PROBABLY TELL MORE THAN THAT. BUT THAT'S ALSO IN THE QUARTERLY REPORT THAT I PROVIDED YOU. YOU CAN SEE THAT WE'RE STILL UP-- WE'RE PROBABLY FIVE HOUSES UP OVER 2018/19.

WE'RE STILL ON TRACK. OUR HOUSING AND CONSTRUCTION INDUSTRY IS STILL STRONG. SO, OUR ECONOMIC MODELING IS WORKING. MAYBE EVERYBODY'S NOT FEELING IT BUT WE CAN'T FILL THE HOTELS. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN DO. WE CAN'T BRING TOURISM BACK RIGHT NOW BECAUSE THE CRUISE LINES AREN'T HERE.

THEY'RE NOT FLYING AS MUCH AS THEY WOULD BE.

WE CAN'T HAVE CONFERENCES. BUT CAN WE BE IN A POSITION TO SUPPORT THE CHAMBER AND THE OTHER ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ENTITIES WHEN THEY ARE READY? ABSOLUTELY.

AND WE WILL. >> CHAIRMAN: OKAY.

>> COMMISSIONER: I HAD A QUESTION ON THE LAST SLIDE YOU HAD. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S REALLY RELEVANT HERE BUT WHAT'S "OTHER"? CLAY COUNTY IS .24 AND ST. JOHNS IS 6.7.

I MEAN, THAT'S A TREMENDOUS DIFFERENCE IN THE TAX BASES.

HOW DOES THAT WORK? >> WELL THIS INFORMATION COMES FROM JAX USA AND FROM YOUR COUNTY ASSESSORS.

SO, I DON'T WANT TO -- I WILL GUESS THAT IT MIGHT BE YOUR TOURISM DOLLARS THAT'S IN THERE. THE BED AND BREAKFAST TAXES YOU MIGHT SAY. OTHER SPECIAL REVENUE LEVIES.

MSBUS. WITHOUT IT BEING BROKE DOWN LIKE

THAT-- >> COMMISSIONER: WELL THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN .24 AND 6.7 ISSAST NOME CAL IN OUR REALM OF

THINGS. >> I WOULD SAY THAT WE-- MAYBE THEY'VE GOT A BETTER MANUAL. THROUGH THE NATIONAL LEAGUE OF

CITIES AND COUNTIES. >> I'VE GOT TO HAVE OUR AUDITOR TAKE A LOOK. [LAUGHTER] BUT I THINK IT'S THE WA I THEY DISTRIBUTE THEIR MONEYS.

>> THEY HAVE A LOT OF SPECIAL TAX INCREASES FOR PARKS AND

LIBRARIES. >> SOMEBODY NEEDS TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT. THEIR AD VALOREM ISN'T THAT-- IT'S ACTUALLY TWO POINTS LESS THAN OURS.

>> LOOK AT THEIRSCHOOLS. I MEAN, THERE'S SOMETHING GOING

ON. >> WHEN YOU HAVE MULTI-MILLION DOLLAR HOMES ON THE OCEAN YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE AS HIGH OF A

MILLAGE. >> THAT'S WHERE IT'S AT.

NUMBER ONE SCHOOL DISTRICT IN THE STATE.

PEOPLE PAY 25 PERCENT MORE THAN THEIR HOMES.

>> IT DOES HELP HAVING OCEANFRONT PROPERTY.

>> THEY THINK THEY HAVE THE BEST WORKFORCE.

LET ME ASK YOU ANOTHER QUESTION. A LITTLE OFF THE SUBJECT HERE.

THE LAST PRESENTER TALKED ABOUT THE DYSFUNCTION-- NOT DYSFUNCTION, THE COORDINATION BETWEEN THE GROUPS.

THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE, THE EDC AND HOW THE COUNTY MANAGER SAID IT'S TIME TO GET TOGETHER. WHAT CAN WE DO TO GET THAT PTOG? THAT SEEMS TO ME IT'S JUST POPPED OUT THERE GROUP OF PRESENTATIONS BIG TIME HERE THAT WE NEED TO GET BETTER COORDINATION BETWEEN ALL THESE GROUPS.

I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT JOSH DOES WITH HIS BONDING STUFF.

I KNOW THERE'S MONEY THERE BUT I NEVER HEAR OF ANYBODY GETTING

ANY. >> HERE'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE PUSH FOR AND I'LL GO INTO TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.

HOWARD COMING ON BOARD KNEW. WENDELL COMING ON BOARD KNEW.

US RELATIVELY NEW WITH ME BEING HERE.

THERE IS OPPORTUNITY FOR GROWTH. AND YOU HAVE SEEN IT.

AND HOWARD HAS LED THE CHARGE. HE SAID LET'S COME TOGETHER AND HAVE THESE WEEKLY MEETINGS. CAN'T SAY ENOUGH ABOUT THAT.

LEADERSHIP IS WHAT YOU NEED. CAN ORGANIZATIONS WORK TOGETHER? ABSOLUTELY. WE CROSS POLLINATE.

THERE'S COMPANIES THAT ARE MEMBERS OF EIGHT.

OUR MEMBERSHIP IS NOT CHEAP BECAUSE WE WANT TO REMAIN A FOCUS AND WE DON'T WANT TO DILUTE OUR EFFORTS.

WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE DOING NETWORKING EVENTS AND PROBABLY NOT RIBBON CUTTINGS. ALTHOUGH WE WILL SUPPORT ANY INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECT THAT COMES ALONG.

BUT WE'LL SUPPORT SERVICE AFTER THE SELL ALL DAY LONG.

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EARLIER WE WENT TO THEM AND THEY BROUGHT THE PROPOSAL BACK UP AND IT PASSED. NOW THEY WILL PUT A MILLION DOLLARS TOWARDS A PROJECT OR GRANT MATCH OR SOME SORT OF A PROJECT. MAYBE IT'S A HANGAR THAT FOR INSTANCE AT THE KEYSTONE HEIGHTS AIRPORT AND THEY TURN AROUND AND LEASE IT BACK. SOMETHING THAT THEY GENERATE REVENUE BACK. THERE'S A PROPOSAL IN ORANGE PARK FOR A MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENT AND COMMERCIAL ENTERPRISE. THEY WERE LOOKING FOR 1 TO $500,000 IN LOCAL REVENUE PRE-CONSTRUCTION FUNDING.

I PROPOSED THAT. LOOK AT THIS.

SHORT-TERM, HIGH GAIN TO GET A DEVELOPMENT OFF THE GROUND.

THINGS THEY CAN DO. SO, THINGS THEY HADN'T DONE BEFORE THERE'S OPPORTUNITY THERE AND WE'RE WORKING TOGETHER.

AND THERE IS, YOU KNOW, THE RFP PROCESS WAS A GOOD PROCESS.

ARE WE GOING TO TAKE IT BACK AND INTERNALIZE IT.

YES HOPEFULLY WHEN THIS 45 MEMBER STRA TEAKIC PLANNING COUNCIL THAT WE DEVELOPED COMES TOGETHER THEY'R REPRESENTED HEAVILY ON THAT BOARD TO GUIDE WHERE WE DO THESE SITE SELECTIONS SO THAT IT'S NOT CONSIDERED AN OLD BOYS CLUB JUST A FEW OLD MEN IN THE BACK ROOM CIGARS DECIDING WHERE TO BUILD AN INDUSTRY PARK. THAT'S NOT THE WAY WE'RE GOING TO OPERATE THIS. NOT WITH MY WATCH.

NO THE WITH MY BOARD'S WATCH. THIS IS GOING TO BE OPEN.

WE'RE GOING TO SIGN CONFIDENTIALITY AGREEMENTS, CONFLICT OF INTEREST STATEMENTS AND WE'RE GOING TO DO WHAT'S BEST FOR THE COUNTY. WHERE WE REALIZE THAT BENEFIT IS WHEN WE BUILD ON SITES THAT ARE ALREADY MAKING THE INVESTMENT-- KEYSTONE HEIGHTS AIRPORT, IF IT'S ROLLER DYEING ON 209.

IF IT'S ORANGE PARK AND A REDEVELOPMENT EFFORT.

THERE'S MANY AVENUES. IT STARTS WITH LABOR FORCE, FINANCING AND PRODUCT DEVELOPMENT.

THAT'S WHAT WE'RE READY FOR. WE NEED THE JOB CENTERS.

ONE OF THE THINGS TALKED ABOUT WHEN I WAS INTERVIEWED AND I THINK WERE YOU THERE, WE NEED JOB CENTERS.

WE NEED TO INCREASE THAT TAX BASE.

WE'VE GOT TO BUILD HOUSING TO SUPPORT THEM.

BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT IT IS. >> COMMISSIONER: HAVING BEEN HERE WAY BEFORE YOU CAME THE MCEST AND THE WAY THEY'RE SET UP NOW I'M SUPPORTIVE OF THAT AT THIS JUNCTURE.

THE OPPORTUNITY AND YOUR WILLINGNESS TO LOOK INTO THAT IS REFRESHING. AND I THINK BE APPROPRIATE AND GOOD TIMING FOR THE TWO TO WORK TOGETHER TO LOOK FOR WAYS TO LEVERAGE AND SHARE INFORMATION AND DO THOSE KIND OF THINGS. THERE'S A LOT MORE TALENT AT OUR CHAMBER NOW THERE'S EVER BEEN. AND THANK YOU HOWARD FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP. THERE'S A LOT TO BE SAID FOR JUST HAVING REGULAR MEETINGS. SOMETHING WHERE YOU CAN LET IT GERMEN NATE AND FOSTER THAT RELATIONSHIP.

SO, YOU WILL ALL BENEFIT FROM THOSE EFFORTS.

THOSE ARE JUST MY THOUGHTS FROM THE EXERCISE HERE TONIGHT.

>> AND I'LL ADDRESS THAT. RAN A SPECIAL ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT 13 YEARS IN SOUTHERN INDIANA.

CALLED THE ENTERPRISE ZONE. DID THAT FOR 13 YEARS.

WENT OFF TO SERVE IN THE ARMY FOR ABOUT EIGHT YEARS ACTIVE DUTY AND CAME BACK THEN I WENT TO THE CHAMBER COMBINED EDC.

AND THEN BACK TO AN EDC. IT'S NOT UNCOMMON TO HAVE SEPARATE. BECAUSE IT DEPENDS ON WHAT YOUR FOCUS IS. AND THE NEED AND THE FOCUS AT THE TIME WAS WE'VE GOT TO HAVE SITES READY.

WE ARE NOT COMPETITIVE. AND SO WHAT DOES IT TAKE TO LAND AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PROJECT? IF YOU WANT THE HAIL MARY OF ALL, WIN THE MASTERS OF THE TOURNAMENT, YOU GOT TO HAVE A SITE READY. COMPARABLE WITH WHAT OTHER SITES AROUND THE COUNTRY ARE. THEN WHAT MAKES THE DIFFERENCE IS THE INCENTIVES. THE LABOR FORCE.

THE COMMUNITY AND QUALITY OF LIFE.

ALL THESE THINGS WE HAVE TO BUILD AND BRING TOGETHER.

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>> YOU HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THAT FOR TWO YEARS.

I HAVEN'T SEEN YOU COME UP WE NEED X AMOUNT OF DOLLARS TO

BUILD A BUILDING. >> MY STRUCTURE IS NOT IN PLACE YET BUT IT WILL BE. HERE'S THE REASON WHY.

IT'S VERY IMPORTANT. BECAUSE IT TAKES MONEY.

SO THE MONEY THAT IT TAKES WE'RE LEVERAGING.

WE'RE DOING GRANTS. WITH ONE OF THE THINGS WEBLE TALKED ABOUT WAS THE JAX USA MODEL VERSUS NORTHEAST FLORIDA.

REGIONAL EDA. BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE AN $88,000 MEMBERSHIPS I WORKED HARD AT COMPREHENSIVE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STRATEGY PROJECTS OR KEYSTONE HEIGHTS AIRPORT AND UNNAMED LOCATION THROUGH THE SAIDS INTO THE SAIDS REPORT THROUGH JAX USA BY OUR MEMBERSHIP BECAUSE THEY'RE MEMBERS. WE'RE ALREADY WORKING THAT PROGRAM. THEY MAY NOT HAVE REALIZED IT.

JAX USA HAS DONE IT. IT'S IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

FOR THE LAST THREE MONTHS WHILE THIS RFP PROCESS HAS BEEN GOING ON I HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH AN EDA APPLICATION.

BECAUSE IF I'M NOT AROUND I'M NOT GOING TO GO THROUGH THE TIME OR PROCESS TO PUT THAT APPLICATION TOGETHER.

NOW TOMORROW I WILL START ON THAT.

AND WHAT THAT DOES IS A TEN PERCENT MATCH WILL LEVERAGE ANYWHERE FROM ONE TO TWO MILLION DOLLARS FOR A PROJECT.

KEYSTONE HEIGHTS COMES TO MIND. ROLLER DIE COMES TO MIND.

SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WILL BE NEEDED TO LEVERAGE THAT MONEY. SO PART OF OUR PROPOSAL WAS THE $200,000 IN GRANT MATCH. THAT IF IT WAS SET ASIDE I COULD COME TO THE BCC WHETHER IT IS A NON-REVERTING FUND OR SPECIAL FUND YOU SET ASIDE AND SAY OKAY EDA FUNDING TAKES NINE MONTHS TO 14 MONTHS TO GET IT THROUGH THE PROCESS.

WE'VE GOT IT WILL YOU COMMIT THIS DOLLAR AMOUNT.

HOW DOES THAT HELP US? BECAUSE THOSE AVIATION COMPANIES DOWN AT KEYSTONE HEIGHTS AIRPORT EVEN THOUGHS THAT ON SPECIAL DIRT, CITY OWNED PROPERTY, THEY STILL PAY TAXES.

IT COMES BACK TO US. SO IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, MONEY THAT YOU ARE JUST PUTTING INTO A GRANT BUT DEFINITELY WE LEVERAGE EVERY ASSET THAT WE'VE GOT. WE'RE GOING TO KEEP DOING IT.

>> COMMISSIONER: YES KEYSTONE IS IN CLAY COUNTY.

>> COMMISSIONER: AND HALF OF IT IS IN ANOTHER COUNTY.

>> AND THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE WOULDN'T TO DO.

MAKE SURE THAT IT LANDS ON THIS SIDE OF THE AIRPORT.

>> COMMISSIONER:

>> NO THE NORTH FLORIDA ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PARTNERSHIP IS THE PUTNAM COUNTY, THE 27 COUNTIES OUT AND AROUND THAT GO ACROSS.

I GO TO SOME OF THEIR MEETINGS BECAUSE THEY HAVE RURAL-- BECAUSE KEYSTONE IS RURAL THEY APPLY FOR AND CAN GET OTHER RURAL DEVELOPMENT PLANS. SO I WANT TO BE AWARE OF WHAT'S OUT THERE ON THE RURAL DEVELOPMENT SITE JUST LIKE WE SUPPORTED THE BRADFORD COUNTY APPLICATION FOR THE KEYSTONE HEIGHTS AIRPORT. WHY IT WAS IMPORTANT.

FIBER AND ROAD AND X, Y, Z. I'M GOING TO PAY ATTENTION TO WHAT'S GOING ON AND GET US INVOLVED AND MAKE SURE AS MANY PEOPLE AS I CAN BRING ALONG. I DON'T CARE WHO GETS THE CREDIT. THAT'S NOT MY JOB.

I JUST NEED THE INVESTMENT AND THE DEVELOPMENT HERE.

WE'RE BUILDING CAPACITY. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING.

>> COMMISSIONER: SOUNDS LIKE THE INCUBATOR IS PERFECT PLACE TO

GET TOGETHER FOR A BONDING TIME. >> SURE.

ONE OF THE CHALLENGES THEY'RE GOING TO REALIZE NOW IS BUILDINGS ARE HARD TO COME BY. THAT'S HARD.

>> CHAIRMAN: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR J.J.?

>> COMMISSIONER: I HAD A NUMBER OF THEM BUT IN INTEREST OF

MOVING AHEAD-- >> CHAIRMAN: WELL, I MEAN--

>> COMMISSIONER: WELL I'M JUST CONCERNED ABOUT AND IN BOTH PRESENTATIONS THEY'RE BOTH ASKING FOR A SUBSTANTIAL INCREASE IN TERMS OF WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE US TO PARTICIPATE IN.

J.J., YOU ARE INDICATING ON PAGE 12 OF YOUR PRESENTATION PUBLIC INVESTMENT OF $196,000. IS THAT FROM US? IS THAT WHAT YOU ARE CALLING THE PUBLIC INVESTMENT?

>> NO. $200,000 CONTRACT FOR 5 YEARS.

HERE IS THE IMPORTANT PART. FIVE YEARS STABILITY CONTRACT.

WE CAN WORK ON THE PRICE. FIVE YEARS STABILITY THAT YOU WOULD PROVIDE IN A CONTRACT FOR US WOULD ALLOW US TO GO FORWARD WITH THE SITE READINESS PROGRAM. FOR BANKERS TERMS, I'M NOT BANKABLE WITH A ONE-YEAR CONTRACT.

A YEAR-TO-YEAR CONTRACT. IF I'M GOING TO GO OUT AND DO A 10 MILLION, $20 MILLION PLANNING PROJECT FOR AN INDUSTRIAL PARK

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THE OTHER $200,000 THAT I AM ASKING FOR WOULD BE BCC MONEY THAT'S WOULD BE IN EITHER A NON-REVERTING FUND OR ACCESS TO CAPITAL THAT WE COULD COME TO YOU AND REQUEST.

YOU'D HOLD ON TO THAT AND HOPEFULLY WOULD BE A FUND THAT BUILDS OVER TIME. SO, MAYBE IN FIVE YEARS IT WOULD BE A MILLION DOLLARS. BUT THE POINT IS THAT IF THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR A GRANT MATCH THAT WE COULD COME TO YOU AND SAY WE'VE BEEN AWARDED THIS OR WE'RE GOING TO PURSUE THIS GRANT, HERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY, WOULD YOU SUPPORT IT.

YOU STILL HAVE CONTROL OVER THE MONEY.

IT NEVER LEAVES YOUR BANK BUT IT GIVES US AN OPPORTUNITY AS A RESOURCE. BECAUSE A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT WE DO WE HAVE TO PAY FOR UP FRONT AND THEN GET REIMBURSED.

LIKE RIGHT NOW WE'VE GOT DOE FUNDS OUT AND OUR QUARTERLY FUND OUT TO YOU WE'VE GOT $60,000 THAT'S BEEN OUT FOR THREE MONTHS. SO, WE'VE GOT TO EITHER HAVE MONEYS RETAINED WHEN WE DO A PROJECT LIKE THAT AND BUILD FROM THERE. OR WE'RE LIMITED BY WHAT WE HAD.

BECAUSE MY BOARD IS VERY PRUDENT.

THEY'VE BEEN IN THE POSITION YOU HAVE BEEN WITH PUBLIC FUNDS AND IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE USE THOSE WISELY.

THAT'S WHY I WANT TO EMPHASIZE. OUR 990S ARE FILED.

WE'RE TIMELY. WE'RE PRUDENT.

AND THE RESOURCES WE GIVE, THERE'S BEEN NO FINANCIAL LOSSES. AND I'VE PROVIDED FIVE YEARS OF FINANCIAL HISTORY. ANY TIME ANYBODY WANTS TO SEE OUR BOOKS, MORE THAN HAPPY. FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS WE USED A CPA THAT HAS DEVELOPED AGREED UPON PROCEDURES WHICH IS BASICALLY OUR MANUAL. HOW WE DO THINGS.

NEXT YEAR IS A FULL BLOWN AUDIT. IT WILL BE IN PUBLIC.

PUBLIC'S EYES SO EVERYBODY CAN LOOK.

ANYBODY WANTS TO QUESTION HOW WE SPEND MONEY, WHERE WE SPEND MONEY. MORE IMPORTANTLY THERE'S GOING BE A LARGER BOARD INVOLVED IN GUIDING THE STRATEGIC PLANNING OF THE PROCESS. WHERE THE PARKS ARE LOCATED.

WHERE THE INDUSTRIAL SITES ARE DEVELOPED.

WHAT'S THE BEST COURSE OF ACTION TO DEVELOP THE INFRASTRUCTURE TO

GET IT THERE. >> COMMISSIONER: PAGE 12.

PUBLIC INVESTMENT OF 196.5 AND PRIVATE INVESTMENT OF 135.

IS THAT WHAT YOU CALL YOUR INVESTORS?

>> SURE. SO, SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE CITY OF GREEN COVE SPRINGS, TOWN OF ORANGE PARK, KEYSTONE HEIGHTS HAVE ALL CONTRIBUTED TO OUR BUDGET.

ALONG WITH OTHER PUBLIC ENTITIES.

THEN, OF COURSE, THE BCC THE LARGEST STAKEHOLDER IN THAT.

THE REST COMES FROM PRIVATE MONEYS.

WHERE WE GO OUT WHETHER IT'S THE CLINT MURPHY'S OR, YOU KNOW, BAPTIST OR CCDA OR CAREER SOURCE.

WE HAVE A CONTRACT WITH THEM TO DO SITE VISITS TO KEEP UPDATED ON THE JOB GROWTH GRANT PROGRAMS THERE.

SO WE DO THAT. THAT'S HOW THAT MIX COMES UP AND THEN, OF COURSE, YOU ADD INTO OUR--

>> COMMISSIONER: I'LL ASK YOU THE SAME QUESTION I ASKED WENDELL. YOU KNOW, WITH THE-- AND CERTAINLY WE'RE NO DIFFERENT THAN ANYBODY ELSE YOU ARE GOING TO GO OUT TO IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR.

WE HAVE LAWS AND -- LOSS OF REVENUES WE ARE REALIZING BECAUSE OF COVID. THAT IS A REALISTIC NUMBER? AND, YOU KNOW, ARE YOU GOING TO ASK THEM TO DOUBLE THEIR

INVESTMENT? >> I HAVE.

AND THE REASON WE KNOW THAT THIS TIGHT READINESS PROGRAM IS EXPENSIVE. YOU KNOW INFRASTRUCTURE IS EXPENSIVE. YOU LOOKED AT THE BONDING PROGRAMS FOR ROADS. I MEAN, YOU'VE GOT MULTIPLE PROJECTS THAT WE'RE THANKFUL YOU ARE DOING.

ACROSS THE BOARD WE'VE ASKED EVERYBODY TO STEP UP.

AND EVEN SOME OF THOSE THAT SAID WE CAN'T PAY THE FULL MEMBERSHIP WE SAID OKAY WE'LL EXTEND IT OUT ON A PAYMENT PLAN.

WE'VE GOT TO BE FLEXIBLE IN THESE TIMES JUST AS ANYBODY ELSE. MOST IMPORTANTLY WHAT WE'RE GOING TO ADD WITH THE INCREASE IN THE BUDGET IS SOME STUFF.

WE'RE GOING TO INCREASE THE MARKETING EFFORTS.

WE UNDERSTAND THAT OUR ORGANIC MARKETING EFFORTS ARE LIMITED.

WE'RE THANKFUL FOR WHAT WE HAVE. ALL THAT STUFF HAS TO BE REFRESHED. AND IT'S NOT CHEAP IF YOU BRING IN A PROFESSIONAL. WE'RE GOING TO LEVERAGE AS MUCH AS WE CAN FROM OUTSIDE RESOURCES BUT IF WE'RE GOING TO PAY TO OPTS MY GOOGLE AND OUR WEB PAGE PRESENCE AND RE-DESIGN THE STUFF THAT'S NEEDED, EVERYTHING THAT HAS BEEN MENTIONED, WE UNDERSTAND. WE'VE ALREADY BEEN THROUGH THIS.

WE'RE READY FOR THE NEXT STEP. AND SO ARE YOU.

SO, ARE THE CITIZENS. >> COMMISSIONER: ONE LAST COMMENT. AS LONG AS WE HAVE THE MONEY, I MEAN, THIS IS MONEY WELL SPENT. WE'RE SPENDING MONEY TO MAKE MONEY HERE. I'M NOT SURE WE HAVE A RIGHT WAY TO MEASURE THIS YET. SO THAT WE KNOW WHEN WE SPEND A MILLION BUCKS ON DEVELOPMENT THAT WE GET AT LEAST A MILLION BACK OR MAYBE TWICE THAT MUCH. AND AS FAR AS THE SITE READY THING. I'VE HEARD ABOUT THIS SINCE MR. GARRISON WAS IN THE JOB AND EVERYBODY ELSE BUT I'VE NEVER

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THE MONEY FROM. >> COMMISSIONER: I THINK SO MANY OF THAT IS THE PROBLEM IS LIKE WITH THE BUILDING-- WHAT SIZE BUILDING DO YOU BUILD BECAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW WHO IS GOING TO BE IN IT. SOME OF THAT IS INFRASTRUCTURE.

THE KEYSTONE AIRPORT THEY'RE WORKING ON SEWER BECAUSE THAT WAS A BIG THING. A LOT OF COMPANIES WANT TO LOCATE THERE AND THEY DON'T HAVE SEWER AND HIGH-SPEED INTERNET.

SO THEY WORKED ON LAYING THAT FOUNDATION.

SO IT'S PREPPING SITES THAT ARE ALREADY THERE TO SOME EXTENT.

>> COMMISSIONER: WELL THERE WAS A PROPOSAL AT ONE POINT TO HIGHER A CONSULTANT WHO WAS GOING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT PEOPLE WANTED NOT WHAT WE HAD TO SELL. THEN WE COULD DEVELOP THAT PROPERTY FOR MOST MARKETING STRUCTURE.

PART OF MY ISSUE WITH THE EDC NOW IS WE'VE GOT A LOT OF DEVELOPERS IN THERE WE'VE GOT PROPERTIES.

THEY'RE FOCUSSING ON THEIR OWN STUFF OKAY.

WHAT WE NEED IS AN INDEPENDENT TO COME IN AND SAY OKAY HERE'S-- IF YOU GUYS WANT TO ATTRACT BANKING BUSINESS HERE IS WHAT A BANK NEEDS. YOU KNOW, OR HERE'S WHAT A SO AND SO NEEDS. AND THAT'S THE WAY I'M SEEING THIS. THEN WE NEED TO COME UP WITH A BY TO EITHER BY OPTIONS ON A PROPERTY HAVE THE PLANS FINISHED SO IT DOESN'T COST US AN ARM AND LEG AND WE CAN GUARANTEE IN A YEAR YOU CAN HAVE THIS THING PUT TOGETHER.

THAT'S THE CHEAPEST WAY OUT OF THIS.

THE OTHER WRAY IS TO BUILD A SPEC BUILDING WHICH I DON'T THINK WE CAN SWING THAT. SO, IN MY MIND WE'LL FIND THE MONEY IF WE COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT LOOKS GOOD ENOUGH. I MEAN, RIGHT NOW WE'RE LOOKING AT NEXT YEAR. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME REAL PROBLEMS. THAT'S KIND OF AN OVER STATEMENT. LAST YEAR WE COULD HAVE DONE IT FOR SURE IF WE HAD A PLAN. THE SECOND COMMENT IS WE'VE GOT TO FIND A WAY TO BRING THESE ORGANIZATIONS TOGETHER SO THEY'RE ALL PULLING IN THE SAME DIRECTION.

I MEAN, I'M HEARING WE'VE GOT ALL THE HORSEPOWER HERE.

WE'VE GOT EVERYTHING HERE BUT WE DON'T HAVE SOMEBODY DRIVING THE TEAM TOGETHER. I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN DO THAT WITH OUR COUNTY MANAGER OR WE SET UP A NEW ORGANIZATION STRUCTURE WHICH IS WHAT THE CHAMBER'S RECOMMENDING OR WE KIND OF MUDDLE THROUGH WITH WHAT WE'VE GOT.

WHERE I'M COMING FROM RIGHT NOW I'M THINKING WHAT WE'VE GOT IS IN PLACE AND IT'S WORKING SORT OF.

I'M NOT SATISFIED IT'S GOING AS WELL AS IT COULD.

BUT MAYBE IF WE ADD SOME MORE PIECES HERE AND CAN FIGURE OUT HOW TO COORDINATE THIS BETTER WE CAN GET A LOT MORE BANG FOR OUR BUCK. AND I THINK THAT'S WORTH LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF EXTRA MONEY RIGHT NOW. BUT I SEE THAT IN THE FUTURE WE CAN GET THIS PLAN TOGETHER SO THAT WE KNEW WHAT THE TARGET LOOKED LIKE WE COULD FIGURE OUT HOW TO FUND IT.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THESE INDUSTRIAL BONDS WILL DO FOR US.

CAN WE USE THOSE TO BUILD A SPEC BUILDING?

>> DEPENDS. >> COMMISSIONER: IF WE WANTED TO

UNDERWRITE IT. >> HERE IS THE MOST ECONOMICAL WAY THAT WE CAN SOLVE THIS PROBLEM.

I'VE STUDIED IT AND ASKED PART OF OUR ACCREDITATION TEAM TO LOOK AT IT ALSO. INSTEAD OF BUILDING A SPEC BUILDING, BECAUSE IF WE BUILD A 40,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING, SOMEBODY IS GOING TO COME IN AND SAY I NEED 50,000 AND TEN TRUCK DOCKS OR 100,000. SO, WHY NOT TAKE IT VIRTUALLY.

ELECTRONICALLY. WE'VE GOT BUILDING PLANS THAT HAVE BEEN SUBMITTED IN OTHER AREAS WE CAN PULL FROM OR BUY SOME PLANS FROM AN ARCHITECT FOR SAY FOR INSTANCE FOR 100,000 SQUARE FOOT WAREHOUSE. BUT THOSE ONLINE VIRTUALLY.

THEY'RE ALREADY ENGINEERED. AND THEN IF THERE'S A FEW TWEAKS THAT NEED TO BE MADE BUT WE TAKE IT THROUGH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT PROCESS AND HAVE IT PER MOISTURE THE SITE AND PREPARE THE SITE. THAT'S THE MOST IMPORTANT PART.

A PREPARED SITE WITH THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT'S THERE.

THEN GIVE THEM A MULTITUDE OF BUILDINGS.

SAY IF YOU NEED A HANGAR OR MILLION SQUARE FOOT BUILDING.

ABOUT FOUR OR FIVE DIFFERENT PLANS AND THEY CAN TWEAK.

THAT'S A LOT CHEAPER THAN BUILDING A SPEC BUILDING AND SITTING ON IT AND PAYING INTEREST ON IT.

WE BELIEVE IN OUR EXPERIENCE THAT THAT IS THE WAY TO GO.

NOW HAVE WE IDENTIFIED A SITE? NO BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT THE MOST LIKELY SITES ARE SITES THAT WE'RE ALREADY INVESTING IN.

CHALLENGER CENTER, KEYSTONE HEIGHTS AIRPORT, 209.

PLACES THAT ARE THERE GETTING READY FOR AN EXPANSION THAT WE'RE PUSHED INFRASTRUCTURE TO. WE WANT TO CAPITALIZE ON THAT INVESTMENT THERE BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO REINVENT THE WHEEL. WE'RE NOT GOING TO GO IN THE MIDDLE OF MCCRAY IN A PINE FOREST ON 315 AND TRY TO REINVENT THE WHEEL. IT'S COST PROHIBITIVE.

IF WE CAN ALIGN THE RESOURCES WHERE WE CAN YOU WILL SEE SIGNIFICANT PROGRESS TOWARD THAT SITE READINESS PROGRAM IN THIS

NEXT YEAR. >> COMMISSIONER: IN THIS NEXT

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YEAR. >> YES.

>> COMMISSIONER: CAN I QUOTE YOU ON THAT.

>> AND OUR YEAR STARTS 1 OCTOBER.

RIGHT NOW WE'RE GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS GETTING READY TO ONCE THE CONTRACT IS RESOLVED, THAT'S WHEN WE BEGIN OUR PLANNING PROCESS. WHERE WE PUT THE MONEY.

HOW WE'RE GOING ALLOCATE IT. BECAUSE IF YOU DON'T THEN OBVIOUSLY TAKES US IN A TOTALLY DIFFERENT ROUTE.

SO THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT. WE'RE READY FOR THE NEXT STEP.

MY BOARD IS READY FOR THE NEXT STEP.

WE WANT RESULTS. WE UNDERSTAND THAT.

THAT MESSAGE IS LOUD AND CLEAR TO MY BOARD.

AND IF I CAN'T SAY IT LOUD ENOUGH I'M SURE VAN CAN.

YOU KNOW HE'S OUTSPOKEN. >> CHAIRMAN: THE THIRD AND LAST PRESENTATION IS ROD GROUP. ARE THEY WITH US? OKAY. .

>> CAN YOU PRESS STAR 6 TO UN-MUTE YOUR LINE.

MATT, ARE YOU ON THE LINE? IF YOU ARE, CAN YOU PRESS STAR 6

TO UN-MUTE YOUR PHONE. >> COMMISSIONER: WE SCARED HIM

OFF. >> CHAIRMAN: WE HAVE A PROBLEM.

WHAT'S THE SOLUTION?

>> IF YOU ARE ON THE LINE CAN YOU PLEASE PRESS STAR 6 TO

UN-MUTE. >> CHAIRMAN: SHOULD WE TAKE AN ADMINISTRATIVE TIME-OUT WHILE WE TRY TO WORK THIS SOLUTION? WE'LL ADJOURN FOR A COUPLE OF THREE MINUTES HERE IF YOU

>> TELL US WHO YOU ARE AND WHAT YOU'RE ABOUT.

YOU'VE GOT ABOUT FIVE MINUTES.

>> I HAVE SAT WHERE YOU SIT. I HAVE BEEN WHERE YOU ARE.

>> I'VE DONE A LOT OF PRESENTATIONS.

WHAT WE BRING TO YOU IS NOT ANYTHING -- THE TWO PRESENTERS THERE ARE GREAT PRESENTERS. WHAT WE BRING TO YOU IS SOMETHING THAT'S OUTSIDE BENCHMARKING AND CREATIVE.

MAKE NO MISTAKE ABOUT THIS. THERE'S TWO WAYS TO DO ECONOMIC

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IT INCLUDES THE NUMBER OF JOBS. MY TEAM BRINGS THAT TOGETHER.

I HAVE OVER 30 YEARS EXPERIENCE IN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.

A TIME I WAS CALLED JOINT CHIEFS OF STAFF AND SECRETARY OF DEFENSE AT THE PENTAGON THAT SERVED OUR COUNTRY FOR 9/11.

MEMBERS OF MY TEAM ADMINISTRATORS AT THE 10TH LARGEST UNIVERSITY AT PENN STATE UNIVERSITY.

I'VE RAISED OVER 40 MILLION. MR. SEDILLA.

MR. MILLERS. HE HAS BROUGHT IN MILLIONS IN GRANTS AND THAT'S SOMETHING YOU'RE GOING TO NEED.

UNLIKE THE OTHER TWO, WHAT WE BRING IS CREATION AND SOMETHING ELSE, AND THAT'S INNOVATION. AD WE WORK WITH THOSE TWO TYPE ORGANIZATIONS VERY CLOSELY. AS WELL AS POLITICAL, ELECTED, FEDERAL AND WHATEVER. I WORK FOR THE SMALLEST OF ECONOMIES TO THE LARGEST. I'VE BROUGHT IN OVER 20,000 JOBS. THAT'S RECORDED FACT.

AND BILLIONS IN INVESTMENTS. WE WORKED ON THE SMALLEST TO THE LARGEST PROJECTS. INCLUDING VOLKSWAGON OF AMERICA.

I WORKED IN A NINE-COUNTY AREA IN THE REGION OF SOUTHWESTERN PENNSYLVANIA. NOW I'D LIKE TO GO OVER THOSE SLIDES. YOU HAVE THE SLIDES WITH YOU?

ARE THE SLIDES ON THE BOARD? >> YES, SIR.

>> YES. >> DO YOU HAVE MY SLIDES?

>> YES. >> CAN YOU PUT THEM UP?

>> OKAY. LET'S PUT THE FIRST ONE UP.

YOU KNOW, I'M AMAZED. YOUR COUNTY IS EXQUISITE.

THERE'S NO REASON YOU SHOULDN'T BE DOING WHAT YOU'RE DOING.

THAT'S WHERE I THINK BENCHMARKING HELPS AND YOU BRING IN EXPERTISE FROM OUTSIDE AND HAS DONE THIS FOR YEARS AND CAN TELLEGIONS ARE DOING.OUNTIES AND IN THE MILITARY, WE ALWAYS SAY LET'S NOT REINVENT THE WORLD. LET'S DO WHAT OTHERS ARE DOING IN PARTS OF THE MILITARY AND BRING IT IN TO OUR DIVISION AND INSTITUTE THAT. AM I UP ON BOARD NOW?

>> YES. >> OKAY.

LET'S START WITH THE SLIDES. OKAY.

SEE, I'M KIND OF BELATED HERE. THE FIRST ONE IS WHAT YOU ALWAYS HAVE TO DO. YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT WHAT YOU HAVE TO SELL AND WHO ARE YOUR COMPETITORS.

DO YOU REALIZE YOU'RE SO CLOSE TO JACKSONVILLE, IT'S UNBELIEVABLE. THE OPPORTUNITIES FROM WHAT YOU CAN BRING. YEAH, CREATION OF JOBS WITHIN AND YOU GOTTA HELP EXISTING INDUSTRY AND YOU GOTTA KNOW WHAT'S THERE. THAT'S CREATION OF JOBS.

I'VE BROUGHT IN INTERNATIONAL. I'VE WORKED WITH FORD, GENERAL MOTORS. I'VE WORKED WITH MILLER BREWING.

I'VE WORKED WITH COORS. LET'S GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE.

YOU CAN SEE WHAT YOU HAVE. YOU ALREADY KNOW WHAT YOU HAVE.

YOUR LOCATION IS OUTSTANDING. OUTSTANDING AS FAR AS A LOCATION IS CONCERNED. YOU'RE IN A STATE THAT SPEAKS FOR ITSELF. IT HAS A GREAT REPUTATION.

IT'S A RIGHT TO WORK STATE. NO ONE HAS EVEN MENTIONED THAT YET. YOU'RE A RIGHT TO WORK STATE.

THAT'S WHAT INDUSTRY IS ALWAYS LOOKING FOR.

YOU HAVE THREE NATIONAL PARKS. THEY'RE GREAT.

STRATEGICALLY LOCATED. BUT WHAT I'M GOING TO SAY IS GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE AND YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THE RESEARCH TRIANGLE. AND THERE'S THE TRIANGLE ALSO, THE UA TECH PARK IN ARIZONA. THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT TO WORK TOWARDS. THERE'S A COUNTY NEAR HERE.

IT'S WASHINGTON COUNTY. IT MIRRORS YOUR COUNTY RIGHT NEAR THE LINES OF PITTSBURGH. THEY BUILT THOUSANDS OF JOBS THAT DON'T GO IN TO ALLEGANY COUNTY.

THERE'S NO REASON WHY YOU SHOULDN'T BE ATTRACTING THOSE JOBS FROM THAT AREA. WHERE DOES CLAY COUNTY GO FOR NEW BUSINESS? YOU'RE GOING TO SEE I HAVE SEVERAL SLIDES HERE. THAT WAS MY POINT ABOUT THE FACT IS THAT WHERE YOUR SITUATION IS STRATEGICALLY LOCATED, IT'S A GREAT CORRIDOR. YOU HAVE A 40 MILLION DRAW.

YOUR NEIGHBORING STATES, INCLUDING FLORIDA, THAT CORRIDOR WHERE YOU ARE IS ANUNBELIEVABLE CORRIDOR.

THERE'S NO REASON WHY YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE GOT YOUR SHARE, EVEN THEN SOME OF YOUR SHARE. YOU SEE THE HIGH TECH AREAS.

FLORIDA IS NOT EVEN IN THERE. YOU COULD BE -- YOU KNOW, WE CREATED TWO THINGS. I'M GOING TO GO IN TO THE NEXT SLIDE. LET'S GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE.

LET'S TALK ABOUT YOUR NEED TO DIVERSIFY.

THAT'S SOMETHING YOU MENTIONED. NO ONE IN THE PRESENTERS YET

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AND I'VE WORKED ON ALL THOSE AREAS, CLERICAL.

I'VE WORKED WITH METROPOLITAN LIFE.

LET'S GO TO THE ATTRACTING DOD AIR SPACE INTERNATIONAL NEW BUSINESSES. YOU'RE IN A GREAT LOCATION.

NOT ONLY ARE YOU IN A GREAT LOCATION, BUT I'VE WORKED -- MY BACKGROUND, I WAS LIEUTENANT COLONEL IN THE AIR FORCE.

I'M STILL INVOLVED IN THE AIR FORCE ACADEMY, THE LIAISON OFFICER.PTHERE'S A WEALTH OF OP IN THE DOD.

AND WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THE DOD AND JOBS YOU CAN ATTRACT.

INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS, I'VE WORKED WITH THE JAPANESE, CHINESE, EUROPEANS, FRENCH. I BUILT LITERALLY, WE BUILT LITERALLY TWO MAJOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ORGANIZATIONS.

NO ONE'S TALKED ABOUT SPECIFICALLY PARTNERING WITH UNIVERSITIES TO CREATE NEW JOBS. STARTUPS.

THERE'S SO MANY OPPORTUNITIES FOR STARTUPS.

WE USED OUR UNIVERSITY TO THE UTMOST TO CREATE NEW JOBS.

STARTUPS, CREATE A NEW INNOVATE TYPE.

THE TWO GENTLEMEN WITH ME, MR. MELERS AND MR. SEDILLIA ARE GREAT WITH THIS. THE OPPORTUNITY TO CREATE NEW JOBS, AS WELL AS TRAINING PROGRAMS. NO ONE HAS ADDRESSED THOSE TRAINING PROGRAMS. WHAT DO EXISTING INDUSTRIES NEED? THEY NEED TRAINING PROGRAM. WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT.

HOW TO IMPLEMENT WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT, HOW TO DO JOB TRAINING FOR THE PEOPLE. THAT'S WHAT GROWS INDUSTRY.

PARTNERING WITH UNIVERSITIES IS THE NEXT SLIDE.

IT SPEAKS FOR ITSELF AND BUSINESSES FOR A NEW STARTUP.

NO ONE HAS TALKED ABOUT NEW BUSINESSES AND MERGING THEM WITH BUSINESSES NOT ONLY IN PARTS OF THE COUNTRY BUT PARTS OF THE WORLD. I WORK WITH AN INTERNATIONAL TRADE IN WASHINGTON D.C. AND NEW YORK.

WHAT DO THEY DO? THEY'RE LOOKING TO BRING JOBS AND INDUSTRIES AND LOCATE THEM IN THE UNITED STATES.

THIS IS SOMETHING WE CAN GIVE THAT MOST OTHERS CANNOT.

GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. DATABASES.

NO ONE HAS TALKED ABOUT THIS. I'M SURPRISED THEY DON'T HAVE A BETTER IDEA OF WHERE THEIR BUILDINGS ARE AND THEIR LAND USES AND WHERE THEY CAN BUILD. THAT'S WHEN INDUSTRY, WHEN THEY COME IN, THEY WANT TO KNOW WHERE ARE MY

. >> RETENTION ARE THE BEST WAYS TO ATTRACT. I AGREE WITH EVERYBODY.

WHAT THE TWO GENTLEMEN SAID. THE JOBS ARE RIGHT THERE WITHIN.

AND WE KNOW HOW TO DO THAT. MR. MELERS, MR. SEDELLIA HAVE YEARS AND I EXPERIENCE WORKING WITH THE INDUSTRY TO HELP THEM GROW AND DEVELOP AND HIRE NEW PEOPLE AND JOB CREATION AND BRINGING NEW INDUSTRY AND MARRYING THEM UP WITH OTHER PARTNERS IN THE UNITED STATES AND INTERNATIONALLY.

IT SPEAKS AGAIN WHAT IT MAY BE. AND I'D RATHER YOUR QUESTIONS.

HERE'S SOMETHING ELSE NO ONE HAS TALKED ABOUT.

CAPITAL VENTURE CAPITAL. INDUSTRY, WHETHER EXISTING OR NEW, THEY'RE GOING TO WANT TO KNOW WHO AM I TALKING TO, WHAT BANKS AM I TALKING TO? DO YOU HAVE ANY VENTURE CAPITAL? WE NEED TO START IN YOUR COUNTY VENTURE CAPITAL FUND.

AND THAT CAN BE DONE. THINK ABOUT THIS.

YOU WANT TO ATTRACT HIGH TECH INDUSTRY? HOW ABOUT HIGH TECHNICAL COUNCIL? WE ACTUALLY CREATED A HIGH TECH COUNCIL.

IT ATTRACTED A LOT OF JOBS. HIGH PAYING JOBS.

THE KIND THAT YOU WANT AND YOU NEED.

AND YOUR PEOPLE NEED. BY THE WAY, LOOKING AT YOUR LABOR FORCE. RIGHT NOW, OF COURSE, FLORIDA IS IN A HIGH RATE OF UNEMPLOYMENT, LIKE MANY PARTS OF THE COUNTRY.

AND YOU HAVE AN OLDER POPULATION.

50 SOME GROUP, THEY'RE THE MOST UNEMPLOYED IS WHAT I'VE SEEN AND RESEARCHED SO FAR. IMPLEMENTING THE STRATEGIC PLAN.

I'VE DONE HANDS ON IMPLEMENTING. IF YOU HAVE A PLAN THAT SITS ON A SHELF, HOW DO YOU GO OUT AND GET BUSINESS? WE KNOW HOW TO GET BUSINESS. THAT'S WHAT I HAD TO DO.

AND I KNOW HOW TO MAKE THOSE CALLS AND PENETRATE THOSE MARKETS. YOU HAVE SO MUCH BUSINESS RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO YOU IN JACKSONVILLE, AND THEIR DEVELOPERS NOW WOULD REALLY WORK WITH YOU IN ORDER TO DEVELOP THOSE DISTRIBUION COMMERCIAL FACILITIES.

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RIGHT OUTSIDE OF ALLEGANY COUNTY.

IT'S A MIRROR OF YOUR SIZE. NO DIFFERENT.

OTHER SCOPES. WE TALKED ABOUT THAT.

WE WORKED WITH, AGAIN, THE COMMISSIONERS.

I'VE WORKED WITH ALL THE COMMISSIONERS.

I'VE WORKED WITH NINE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS.

FEDERAL, CONGRESSIONAL AND STATE AS WELL AS MR. MILLERS AND MR. SEDILLIA. THEY WORK CLOSELY.

MR. MILLERS, MR. SEDILLIA AND MYSELF HAVE ALWAYS WORKED WITH COMMISSIONS IN ORDER TO CREATE JOBS AND TRAINING PROGRAMS IN THOSE INDUSTRIES WITHIN THEIR COUNTY AND HAVE DONE AN OUTSTANDING JOB. IT SPEAKS FOR ITSELF AND PROOF OF THE PUDDING. NEXT WOULD BE ENCOURAGING PRIDE IN PUBLIC SECTOR PARTNERSHIPS. WE HAVE TO TALK ABOUT THAT.

YOU ARE VERY IMPORTANT. AND SO IS THE PRIVATE SECTOR.

SOME PEOPLE SIT ON BOARDS, WHAT DO THEY CONTRIBUTE? WHAT IS THE BOARD MADE UP OF AND HOW DO THEY CONTRIBUTE TO THAT? THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT GROUP AND THE CHAMBER SHOULD BE RAISING THEIR OWN MONEY. I ONCE RAISED $40 MILLION FOR PENN STATE UNIVERSITY. THERE'S MONEY TO BE HAD IF YOU HAVE THE RIGHT BOARD MEMBERS. AND THAT BOARD NEEDS TO BE STRONG. THEY CAN ALSO OPEN UP DOORS TO NEW SOURCES OF CAPITAL. THOSE BOARD MEMBERS ARE REFERRALS FOR NEW JOBS. I'M GOING TO STOP THERE.

FIVE MINUTES IS A LOT AND I'M GOING TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

>> QUESTIONS. >> I HAVE A QUESTION.

OBVIOUSLY YOU BEING LOCATED IN PITTSBURGH, HOW DO YOU SEE THAT WORKING WITH OUR LOCAL FOLKS, AND WHAT KIND OF, I GUESS, PRESENCE OR COMMUNICATIONS, CAPABILITY DO YOU THINK YOU

WOULD HAVE? >> MR. SEDILLIA IS LOCATED IN FLORIDA. I'M 7/24.

THAT'S MY MILITARY BACKGROUND. YOU CALL ME ON A HOLIDAY, I'M GOING TO ANSWER. YOU NEED ME, I'LL BE THERE.

SO YOU KNOW, I'VE WORKED ALL THE WAY ACROSS THE COUNTRY TO ATTRACT INDUSTRY. I'VE CALLED ON THREE TO FIVE MAJOR CORPORATIONS A DAY. THAT'S THE HONEST GOD TRUTH.

IN NEW YORK, CANADA, TORONTO, CHICAGO, LOS ANGELES, AND FLORIDA, GEORGIA, TO TALK TO INDUSTRY TO ATTRACT THEM IN TO THAT REGION. BUT I COME IN THERE AND WORK WITH YOU TO SHOW YOU AND SHOW YOUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PEOPLE TO TRAIN THEM AND YOUR CHAMBER, HOW TO GO AFTER THE BUSINESS.

THE QUESTION IS, HOW DO YOU GO AFTER THE BUSINESS? THAT'S WHAT I'VE DONE FOR YEARS. I BROUGHT IT IN.

I ALSO RESURRECTED COMPANIES THAT WENT UNDER.

THERE ARE A LOT OF AREAS THAT YOU CAN CREATE JOBS.

IT'S ATTRACTION OF JOBS. CREATION OF JOBS THROUGH YOUR EXISTING INDUSTRY. YOU KNOW, YOU CAN MARRY THOSE INDUSTRIES UP WITH OTHER LARGER COMPANIES.

AND COMPANIES COMING IN THERE INTERNATIONALLY.

IT'S NOT JUST A FACT OF ME BEING THERE ALL THE TIME.

IT'S A FACT THAT I'M GOING TO BE WHEREVER I NEED TO BE TO BRING JOBS IN TO YOUR REGION. THERE'S A SAYING.

I'LL TELL YA A FUNNY STORY. THERE WAS A GENTLEMAN, HE WENT IN TO HIS EMPLOYEES AND HE GAVE THEM THE MOTIVATION TALK.

AND THEN HE SAID THIS. HE SAYS, NOW I WANT YOU TO GET UP OFF YOUR CHAIR. THEY GOT OFF THE CHAIR.

AND HE SAYS TURN IT UPSIDE DOWN. THE BOTTOM WAS STRAPPED A DOLLAR. HE SAYS, YOU GOTTA GET OFF YOUR BUTT TO MAKE A BUCK. THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.

IN AN ESSENCE, YOU CAN WRITE ALL THE PLANS YOU WANT AND IF IT'S NOT STRUCTURED RIGHT, YOUR BOARD HAS TO BE STRUCTURED RIGHT.

THE PEOPLE HAVE TO BE ON THE BOARD.

YOU HAVE TO RECRUIT ALL THE BOARD MEMBERS.

RAISE MONEY FOR YOUR OPERATION. YOU HAVE TO KNOW WHERE TO GET THE JOBS. YOU HAVE TO BE TALKING TO THOSE INDUSTRIES IN OTHER AREAS. AND YOUR INDUSTRIES ARE REFERRALS IN THEMSELVES. WHO ARE THEIR SUPPLIERS? WHERE ARE THEY NOW? YOUR COUNTY IS ONE OF THE BEST LOCATED COUNTIES I'VE SEEN IN A LONG TIME.

AND I DON'T WANT TO TAKE ON ANY SUCCESSFUL.

I KNOW THERE'S SUCCESS THERE. I KNOW YOU HAVE THE BASIS.

YOU'RE STRATEGICALLY LOCATED. THE PROFILE OF YOUR COUNTY IS P.

AND AGAIN, IT'S A MIRROR IMAGE RIGHT NEAR ME RIGHT NOW THAT'S BROUGHT IN, OH GOD, THEY'VE GOTTA HAVE 10,000 JOBS EASILY WITHIN ABOUT A SHORT PERIOD OF LESS THAN 10 YEARS.

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>> BRING IT ON. >> OKAY.

LOVE YOUR ENTHUSIASM. LOVE YOUR POSITIVITY.

I THINK I'M GOING TO SORT OF PIGGY BACK ON COMMISSIONER BOLA'S QUESTION. STRUCTURE IN TERMS OF ORGANIZATION. ARE YOU TALKING MORE ABOUT CONSULTING WITH OUR EXISTING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FOLKS? OR ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT COMING IN AND SETTING UP?

>> WE'RE GOING TO WORK WITH ALL YOUR PEOPLE.

NO. ALSO, WE'RE GOING TO DO WHAT WE SAID IN THERE. WE'RE GOING TO TALK TO YOUR INDUSTRY. WE'RE GOING TO LOOK FOR NEW BUSINESS. WE'RE GOING TO DIRECT YOU AND GIVE YOU DIRECTION. WE WORK CLOSELY WITH ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PEOPLE. THEY'RE BOTH GOOD GROUPS.

IF YOU WANT TO PUT FUNDS IN THEIR ORGANIZATION, PLEASE, BY ALL MEANS DO THAT. BUT IF YOU REALLY WANT TO LOOK AT NEW INNOVATIVE IDEAS AND THE WAY TO BRING JOBS IN AND YOU NEED PEOPLE FROM OUTSIDE THAT HAVE DONE IT IN OTHER PARTS OF THE COUNTRY. THAT'S US.

THAT'S WHAT I'VE DONE. I CAN PUT YOU IN TOUCH WITH WHOEVER AND THEY'LL TELL YOU WHAT I'VE DONE OVER THE YEARS.

THIS IS WHAT I'VE DONE. ONE OF THE GENTLEMAN WHO WORKED WITH ME LIVES IN YOUR STATE. WE EVEN HAD AN OFFICE IN FRANKFURT, GERMANY. WE BUILT ONE THERE AND HAD REPRESENTATION THERE. WHEN I TELL YA THE COMPANIES I'VE WORKED WITH, THAT'S FACT. OUR STRUCTURES ARE YOU NEED TRAINING. THAT'S MR. SEDILLIA AND MR. MILLERS. YOU NEED CONTINUING EDUCATION PROGRAM. YOU NEED PEOPLE WORKING WITH UNIVERSITIES TO GET STARTUPS, THAT'S US.

WE CAN HIT THE DECK RUNNING. IT'S NOT A QUESTION OF WAITING UNTIL WHENEVER DOWN THE ROAD. WE CAN HIT THE DECK RUNNING.

I'VE DONE THAT BEFORE AND I CAN DO IT AGAIN.

LOOK, I WAS ON A BOARD WITH SOME OTHER CONSULTANTS.

I JUST GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF CREATION.

I'LL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE OF HOW MANY I DID.

I WAS ONE PART OF THAT CONSULTING GROUP.

CONSULTING GROUP WHO WAS LEADING IT WAS VERY LIBERAL.

IN A WAY, THEY THOUGHT THESE PEOPLE COULD DO IT.

YOU KNOW, I WAS GOING TO GET MY PART OF THE MONEY THAT THEY WERE WILLING TO PAY. SO I PICKED UP THE PHONE, I TALKED TO HORMEL, THE VICE PRESIDENT OF PRODUCTION.

WE'VE GOT A PLANT HERE. THERE'S NO EQUIPMENT THERE.

I KNEW HORMEL HAD TO -- THIS IS ONE OF THOUSANDS THAT I'M GOING TO TELL YOU THAT I WORKED ON LIKE THIS.

THIS IS CREATIVITY. I SAID YOU KNOW, YOUR PLANTS, YOUR LABOR UNIONS ARE COMING OFF A CONTRACT.

THEY'RE COMING OFF NEGOTIATION. YEAH, THEY ARE.

WHAT IF I TOLD YOU THAT I COULD GET YOU A PLAN THAT YOU CAN INVEST ALL YOUR MONEY OR PART OF IT.

I SAID WHAT DO YOU THINK? HE SAYS WHEN CAN I COME IN? THESE ARE THINGS WE BRING TO THE TABLE.

PLUS THE FACT, REMEMBER WHAT I WAS TELLING YOU, INTERNATIONAL TRADE. I'M GOING TO BE IN WASHINGTON D.C. RIGHT NOW 20 SOME EMBASSIES WANT TO TALK TO ME. THAT'S FACT.

INTERNATIONAL TRADE OFFS. THEY LOOK AT BRINGING COMPANIES THAT WANT -- THEY TALK TO COMPANIES THAT WANT TO ESTABLISH A BASE. IT'S A GLOBAL MARKET.

THEY'RE LOOKING TO COME IN TO THE U.S.

THEY'RE GOING TO ESTABLISH A DISTRIBUTION POINT, THEN EVENTUALLY ASSEMBLY, AND HOPEFULLY MANUFACTURE.

AND THAT'S WHAT I BRING TO THE TABLE.

ALSO, HOW WE CAN PENETRATE. I'LL TELL YOU, I'M AMAZED YOU HAVEN'T TAPPED JACKSONVILLE AND THOSE OTHER CITIES IN THE SURROUNDING AREA. REMEMBER WHAT I SAID, 40 MILLION POPULATION AROUND THE BORDERS OF YOUR COUNTY.

AND YOUR COUNTY IS THE BEST POISED FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.

I THINK ONE OF THE BEST. BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT RIGHT IN THE JACKSONVILLE CITY LIMITS. YOU'RE RIGHT OUTSIDE.

AND YOU HAVE A GREAT TAX STRUCTURE.

YOU HAVE A NICE COMMISSIONERS THAT RECOGNIZE AND KNOW THAT THEY WANT TO DO SOMETHING. YOU'VE GOT TWO GOOD ORGANIZATIONS SITTING RIGHT IN YOUR REALM RIGHT THERE.

BUT WE BRING SOMETHING DIFFERENT.

WE BRING SOMETHING. WE'RE GOING TO BRING NEW IDEAS, INNOVATIVE IDEAS, AND THE MARKETING COMPONENT.

THAT'S WHAT WE BRING. THE MARKETING COMPONENT.

YOU WERE RIGHT, YOU ALL ASK THE QUESTION, WELL DON'T YOU DO THIS? THAT'S WHAT THEY DO.

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YOU NEED SOMEONE FROM THE OUTSIDE TO LOOK AT YOU.

NOT SOMEONE INSIDE. ARE YOU HAPPY WHERE YOU ARE NOW? THAT'S A QUESTION YOU HAVE TO SAY.

IF YOU ARE, YOU KNOW WHAT? SOMEONE ELSE IN YOUR ORGANIZATION, YOUR COUNTY. AND IF YOU'RE NOT, YOU WANT NEW IDEA AND INNOVATIVE IDEAS, WE'RE THE PEOPLE FOR YOU.

WHAT I'M NOT GOING TO DO IS TAKE YOUR MONEY AND NOT GET RESULTS.

THAT YOU'RE GOING TO BE PLEASED WITH.

AND WE'RE GOING TO DISCUSS THAT AND YOU'RE GOING TO BE INVOLVED AS WELL AS YOUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE INVOLVED RIGHT AFTER THE STAKEHOLDERS HAVE TO BE INVOLVED. AND ALSO, WHERE'S THOSE CONNECTIONS TO THE STATE? I DIDN'T HEAR THAT.

THE STATE HAS TO KNOW YOU'RE ALIVE.

THOSE PEOPLE SHOULD BE INTERACTING WITH THE STATE PEOPLE, TOO. UTILITIES HAVE AREA DEVELOPMENT PEOPLE. AND THEY WILL ALSO SUPPLY THEIR SUPPLIES AND SITES AND BUILDINGS ARE WHENEVER YOU WANT TO CREATE DATABASES. WHERE'S THAT RELATIONSHIP WITH THE STATE CONGRESS DEPARTMENT, WHO ALSO BY THE WAY GETS A LOT OF REFERRALS. SOMEONE SHOULD BE ON THE PHONE WITH THEM AND LET THEM KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON.

IT'S THE SQUEAKY WHEEL THAT GETS OIL.

BY GOD, THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING.

THAT'S WHAT WE DO. AND BRING IN THOSE NEW IDEAS.

BUT WE HAVE A GOOD STRUCTURE. I THINK WE HAVE A GOOD STRUCTURE. THEY'RE GREAT ORGANIZTIONS.

BUT WE HAVE AS GREAT A STRUCTURE.

BUT WE BRING IN TRAINING, WORK DEVELOPMENT, FUNDRAISING.

SHOWING THEM HOW TO RAISE MONEY, AND MORE IMPORTANTLY, HOW TO CREATE AND ATTRACT JOBS. THAT'S THE MOST IMPORTANT ASPECT OF IT AND THAT'S WHAT WE DO. THAT'S WHAT I'VE DONE.

AND I'M NOT JUST TELLING YOU WHAT I SAY THAT'S WHAT WE CAN DO. THAT'S WHAT WE'VE DONE.

I'VE DONE. THAT'S DOCUMENTABLE.

20,000 JOBS WHILE I WAS WITH AN ORGANIZATION CALLED PENN SOUTHWEST. WHEN I WENT IN AND STARTED THE OTHER ORGANIZATION AS A CONSULTANT, I STARTED THAT ORGANIZATION THE FIRST MONTH WE BROUGHT IN A $10 MILLION RECYCLING AEROSOL CAN PLANT. CALLED TO ACTIVE DUTY AND I ANSWERED THE CALL. SO THAT'S WHAT WE DO.

WE BRING NEW IDEAS. I'D LOVE TO WORK WITH YOUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PEOPLE AND I'D LOVE TO WORK WITH YOUR CHAMBER, AND HELPING THEM TO GROW.

BECAUSE THEY'RE NEEDED. THEY'RE NECESSARY.

BUT I THINK RIGHT NOW, I THINK MOST ORGANIZATIONS IN THE COUNTRY, MOST COUNTIES AND MOST MUNICIPALITIES, THEY NEED AN OUTSIDE LOOK. THEY NEED SOMEONE TO COME IN

FROM THE OUTSIDE WITH NEW IDEAS. >> SIR, WE APPRECIATE YOUR PRESENTATION. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? KEVIN

>> NO QUESTIONS. THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE, SIR.

I APPRECIATE IT. >> THANK YOU.

AND GOOD LUCK WITH WHAT YOU'RE DOING.

LIKE I SAID, I'VE SAT THERE IN THOSE CHAIRS MANY A TIME.

AND I COMMEND YOU FOR YOUR EFFORTS.

I COMMEND YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE, TOO.

GOOD LUCK IN WHAT YOU DO. >> THANK YOU.

>> WE'LL GO BACK TO THE BOARD NOW.

ANY DISCUSSIONS WE NEED TO HAVE AT BOARD LEVEL BEFORE WE VOTE?

>> I WISH THERE WAS A WAY WE COULD TALK ABOUT HOW TO RESTRUCTURE THIS. IF WE JUST PICK ONE OF THESE

NOW. >> I WAS THINKING RIGHT WHERE WE

WERE. >> WE DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO VOTE ON IT TONIGHT. THINK WE CAN STRUCTURE AS WE -

MOVE THROUGH. >> COUNTY MANAGER.

>> MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS IN TERMS OF MONIES.

WE ALREADY KNOW THE BUDGET AND HOW TIGHT IT IS.

THAT'S SOMETHING I'VE TALKED TO HOWARD ABOUT.

YOU KNOW. BOTH PROPOSALS WILL REQUIRE US TO COME UP OUT OF WHERE WE ARE TO A NUMBER THAT WE MAY NOT

HAVE. >> IS THERE ANY WAY THAT YOU IN YOUR MIND WE CAN STRUCTURE THIS SO WE CAN GET BETTER COORDINATION BETWEEN THESE GROUPS?

IF SO -- >> YES, SIR.

>> HOW. >> CROSS POLLENIZATION.

RIGHT. TO HAVE MEMBERSHIP ON EACH ONE OF THE THREE BOARDS THAT WE DISCUSSED TONIGHT.

THE CCDA IS THE THIRD GROUP, RIGHT? I MEAN, THAT'S THE SIMPLEST WAY. WE HAVE SOME REPRESENTATION, AND

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TO ME, THAT'S WHAT LEADING A GROUP AND TO HAVE THAT SYNERGY HAS BEEN DISCUSSED. THAT'S HOW YOU GET IT.

I WOULD MAKE A PLUG BECAUSE IT IS BUDGET SEASON.

THE NUMBERS ARE MUCH HIGHER AS POINTED OUT THAN WHAT WE BUDGETED THIS CURRENT YEAR. AND AGAIN, I'M TRYING TO KEEP THE BUDGET FLAT. SO I'M PUTTING A PITCH IN THERE THAT I WOULD LIKE NOTHING TO CHANGE.

>> SO CAN WE MOVE FORWARD WITH ONE GROUP AND THEN NEGOTIATE THE

SPECIFIC AMOUNTS? >> YES.

>> THAT'S WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO. I THINK THE EDC MAKES SENSE.

IT'S DONE IT A LONG TIME AS A PROVEN TRACK RECORD.

YEAH, EVERYONE HAS ROOM FOR IMPROVEMENT.

I THINK THIS PROCESS ALTHOUGH LONG HAS HELPED IMPROVE AND CROSS POLLENATE IDEAS. I SAY WE MOVE FORWARD WITH TRYING TO DO THE FIVE-YEAR CONTRACT AND THEN HAVE OUR COUNTY ATTORNEY AND MANAGER NEGOTIATE WITH THEM TO BRING THE PRICE DOWN SO WE ARE STAYING RELATIVELY THE SAME FOR NOW.

AND OVERTIME IF TIMES GET BETTER, WE COULD INCREASE IT.

BUT THEN THAT WAY WE CAN KIND OF MOVE FORWARD AND CREATE SOME CERTAINTY AND GO FROM THERE. THAT'S WHERE I'M AT.

>> YEAH, I'M GOOD WITH THAT. BUT CAN WE HAVE A MEMBER ON THE EDC BOARD? I THOUGHT THERE WAS SOME KIND OF AN ISSUE THERE WITH CONFIDENTIALITY AND EVERYTHING ELSE. I KNOW WE GO TO THEIR MEETINGS.

>> YES, SIR. FROM THE LEGAL STANDPOINT, I MEAN, COURTNEY CAN ADDRESS THAT. BUT IT WASN'T JUST FROM OUR, FROM THE COUNTY SIDE. IT WAS BETWEEN THE THREE ORGANIZATIONS ALSO. HOW THAT COMMITMENT COULD HAPPEN

THERE. >> WE DO HAVE A LIAISON WITH THE CHAMBER, RIGHT? BUT THAT'S AT THE BOARD --

>> I THINK WHAT HOWARD IS TALKING ABOUT IS HAVING A CHAMBER MEMBER OR OFFICER ON THE EDC BOARD.

THE EDC BOARD HAVING SOMEBODY ON THE CCDA BOARD.

>> THAT'S CORRECT. >> AND QUITE HONESTLY, IT'S BEEN MENTIONED HERE A COUPLE OF TIMES.

HOWARD HAS DEFINITELY BEEN THE LEADER TRYING TO GET THE GROUPS TOGETHER. I SAT IN ON THE FIRST MEETING.

HOWARD AND I COINED THE PHRASES THE THREE HORSEMEN.

AND HE WOULD BE THE FOURTH HORSEMEN.

AND YOU KNOW, THE COOPERATION AND THE DISCUSSIONS PRIOR TO THE RFP HAD BEEN ON THE INCREASING SIDE.

SO I THINK HE'S BEEN REALLY FORCEFUL IN TRYING TO MOVE THAT FORWARD. AND YOU KNOW, QUITE HONESTLY, THIS I THINK IS HELPFUL IN THE SENSE THAT IT ALSO EVEN WITH OUR BOY MATT D. THERE, SOME OF THE THOUGHTS AND THINGS HE CAME OUT WITH IN TERMS OF POSITIVITY AND BEING ABLE TO WORK.

AND SOME OF THE THINGS THAT EVERYBODY PUT IN EACH OF THEIR PRESENTATIONS I THINK CAN BE ADOPTED.

BUT I WANTED TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY KNEW THAT HOWARD HAS BEEN PUSHING THAT FORWARD. BUT I THINK THE CROSS POLLENIZATION WORKS. AND I THINK THAT'S THE ONLY WAY THAT YOU'RE GOING TO GET A LOT MORE, EVERYBODY WORKING TOGETHER. KNOWING WHAT EVERYBODY ELSE IS DOING. CARES ACT FINDING FOR THE IN TH- INCUBATOR. AND OUR AGREEMENT IF WE GO WITH EDC THAT BASICALLY SAYS ONCE A MONTH OR WHATEVER WE WANT IT TO BE THAT THEY'RE GOING TO MEET AND JOIN.

AND CDC WOULD PROBABLY NOT HAVE OVERSIGHT OVER.

BUT EDC -- SORRY, THERE'S SO MANY ORGANIZATIONS.

CCDA. WE COULD ASK THEM TO BE A PART OF IT. BUT IF THE TWO MAIN GROUPS ARE KIND OF IN THEIR CONTRACTS NOT REQUIRED.

I DON'T KNOW THAT IT HAS TO BE REQUIRED.

BUT AT LEAST ENCOURAGE THEM TO MEET ONCE A MONTH OR WHATEVER.

>> I THINK THAT'S ALL WE CAN DO IS ENCOURAGE.

THIS IS A TOUGH DECISION. I THINK THERE WERE GOOD POINTS IN BOTH PRESENTATIONS, WHICH I THINK CAN BE IMPLEMENTED AT SOME POINT DOWN THE LINE. I TEND TO AGREE WITH EVERYBODY THAT I THINK WITH THE CHAMBER LOOKING FOR INCUBATOR AND THOSE HAVING GIVEN THAT. EDC SUPPORTED THAT EFFORT TO GIVE THE CHAMBER THE INCUBATOR. I THINK THAT LIKE MY OTHER COLLEAGUES THERE THAT EDC IS PROBABLY BEST TO STAY WITH.

I THINK THE CHAMBER, AND IT'S PROBABLY PERSONALITY AND WENDELL SPECIFICALLY, AS WELL AS I THINK HE COULD DO.

I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE A COUPLE OF YEARS BEFORE HE CAN GET THAT UP AND ROLLING. I THINK WE NEED IT FASTER.

I DON'T THINK WE HAVE A LOT OF TIME THAT WE CAN WASTE -- NOT WASTE, BUT INVEST IN TERMS OF WAITING UNTIL AN ORGANIZATION GETS UP TO SPEED AGAIN. I DO THINK WITH THE CHAMBER

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PENCIL. >> NOT AS ADVERTISED.

BUT YEAH, I THINK WE MOVE FORWARD AND BRING BACK A CONTRACT THAT'S NOT AS MUCH MONEY.

>> IF I MAY ADD ONE OTHER ITEM, MR. CHAIR.

ALSO, I LIKE THE FACT, MOS, MEASURE OF SUCCESS.

TO ME, IT ALWAYS HAS TO BE ABOUT THREE.

WHAT ARE THOSE THREE ITEMS I THINK IN THE BRIEFS THAT WE'VE HEARD. EVEN WITH MATT, HE KIND OF TALKED A LITTLE ABOUT THAT. AND WE HEARD IT FROM THE OTHER TWO ALSO. I THINK TO CODIFY THAT, PUT IT IN THE CONTRACT. I KNOW YOU ALL LIKE THAT.

AND THAT'S KEY AND CRITICAL. YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT A FIVE-YEAR PLAN AND A FIVE-YEAR CONTRACT IS DEFINITELY A GREAT IDEA.

BUT THEN EVERY YEAR TO HAVE THAT OPTION OR TO TAKE A LOOK AT THIS AND TO ENSURE THAT WE'RE PMEASU IMPORTANT, TOO.

THAT WAS THE ONLY THING I WANTED TO MENTION.

>> YEAH, I LIKE THAT. >> I AGREE.

IT'S A GOOD CONCEPT. EVERY ONE OF US, WHEN WE CAMPAIGN SAID WE WERE GOING TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. HERE IT IS.

WE'RE LOOKING IT IN THE EYE. AND I THINK WE'VE MADE SOME REAL

PROGRESS WITH THIS. >> THANKS.

>> WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO. >> FILL OUT OUR FORMS.

>> ARE WE READY TO VOTE? WHAT'S THE PROCEDURE ON THIS? FILL OUT THE FORMS? ARE WE DOING A ROLL CALL OR

WHAT? >> WOULD YOU PREFER TO RANK THEM EACH INDIVIDUALLY OR WOULD YOU PREFER TO JUST VOTE AND SELECT

ONE? >> LET'S RANK THEM SINCE WE'VE

GOT THE FORMAT ALREADY HERE. >> I ALREADY HAVE MINE.

HOWEVER WHICHEVER WAY.

>> WILL THE BOARD PREFER TO MAKE A NUMBER ONE SELECTION?

>> I THINK WE'RE IN AGREEMENT EDC IS THE WAY TO GO.

>> YOUR VOTE DONE. I THINK YOU JUST MADE IT.

BUT GO AHEAD. >> EDC.

>> JUST MAKE A MOTION. >> I DON'T THINK THIS IS THE GROUP FROM PITTSBURGH GOT IT. THEY DIDN'T ANSWER THE RFP.

>> YEAH. >> THEY WOULD PROBABLY BE GOOD FOR WHOEVER WE SELECT TO BE A CONSULTANT TO THEM.

BUT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT MAKING PLANS FOR OUR PEOPLE.

WELL THESE ARE OUR PEOPLE. BOTH OF THEM.

I DON'T SEE THAT -- THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT WE NEED.

SO I WOULD SAY THEY'RE UNRESPONSIVE.

I WOULD GO WITH EDC. >> OKAY.

>> I'D LOVE TO HAVE MATT OUT THERE SELLING FOR ME, THAT'S FOR

SURE. >> VOTE, SIR.

>> I THINK THE COUNTY ATTORNEY SAID THAT WE COULD JUST MAKE MOTION. SO I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE SCORE CLAY COUNTY ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION.

COUNTY MANAGER GO AHEAD AND NEGOTIATE A CONTRACT.

>> A FIVE-YEAR CONTRACT? >> MOTION TO CONTRACT.

YES.

>> MOTION SECOND FOLLOWED DISCUSSION.

>> I THINK THE CHAMBER DID A GREAT JOB PULLING THIS TOGETHER.

THE BIGGEST THING IN MY MIND WAS HOW FAST CAN YOU GET THIS UP AND RUNNING. WE'VE GOT AN ORGANIZATION THAT'S COOKING RIGHT NOW. AND I THINK THAT'S AN IMPORTANT THING. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE CHAMBER AND EDC INTEGRATED A LITTLE MORE.

I THINK NATURALLY A LOT OF THE CONTACTS FROM OUTSIDE THE COUNTY COME IN TO THE CHAMBER. AND I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE THAT CROSS POLLENIZATION THERE SO WE MAKE SURE WE TOUCH ALL THE SIDES. AND I THINK YOU HAD A GREAT CONCEPT THERE. WE NEED TO HELP THESE PEOPLE GET OVER THIS COVID THING. THAT'S GOTTA BE NUMBER ONE RIGHT

NOW. >> MOTION TO THE SECOND.

NOW WE JUST ADD TO THE DISCUSSION.

COUNTY MANAGER, YOU'VE ALREADY INVOLVED YOURSELF UP ABOUT NECK DEEP IN THIS THING. I WOULD JUST ASK YOU TO CONTINUE AND PUSH FOR THIS CROSS POLLINATION.

WE'LL CALL IT A BLEND FOR ANOTHER TERM.

>> BUMBLE BEE. >> WE HAD TWO OUTSTANDING

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BUT THE TWO LOCALS, OBVIOUSLY WE WERE LOOKING AT THEM.

I THINK IF WE CAN GET BOTH THOSE ORGANIZATIONS IN A SYMBIOTIC RELATIONSHIP. YOU'RE TASKED WITH THAT.

>> I LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH ALL THREE OF THEM.

>> A MOTION WITH A SECOND. FOLLOWED DISCUSSIONS.

HEARING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

[26.  5:00 Time Certain or as soon thereafter as can be heard - First Public Hearing to Approve for Transmittal CPA 2020-07 to Amend Several Policies Addressing the Date for a Mobility Fee (PC voted 7-0 to approve)]

>> AYE. >> NO OPPOSED.

>>> MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER 26. CERTAINLY A LITTLE LATE ON THE TIME BUT THAT'S OKAY. A MOBILITY FEE.

STAFF IS PROPOSING TO CHANGE THE DATE TO NOVEMBER 1ST FOR REASONS WHICH WILL BECOME QUITE APPARENT HERE IN A MOMENT.

>> I TAKE MY FIVE MINUTES HERE? >> NO, THREE.

>> I'M GOING TO GO STRAIGHT TO THE RECOMMENDATION HERE.

>> MATT TOOK ALL YOUR MINUTES. >> YEAH.

I DON'T WANT TO GIVE THE IMPRESSION WE'RE BEHIND SCHEDULE BECAUSE WE'RE NOT. BUT THE WAY IT'S SET UP.

REMEMBER, THE MOBILITY FEE WAS ADOPTED IN THE PLAN.

IN ORDER TO EVEN EXTEND IT A MONTH, WE HAVE TO TRANSFER THE AMENDMENT NOW BECAUSE WE'LL HAVE TO ADOPT THE AMENDMENTS AND EVERYTHING. WE'RE TRYING TO BE AS TRANSPARENT AS WE CAN. WE'VE ESTABLISHED STAKEHOLDER MEETINGS, PUBLIC WORKSHOP, TWO PUBLIC WORKSHOPS.

ONE WITH THE BOARD AND ONE WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THEN TWO HEARINGS. IN ORDER TO EVEN TRY TO MEET THE SEPTEMBER 30TH, OCTOBER 1ST DEADLINE, IT WOULD BE VERY HARD TO SCHEDULE THESE STAKEHOLDER MEETINGS.

WHEN I SAY STAKEHOLDERS, I MEAN LANDOWNERS.

TPO AND DNT INVOLVED IN THAT FIRST MEETING.

OUR SECOND MEETING IS MOVED TO SEPTEMBER 3RD.

THAT CHANGED THIS AFTERNOON. AND WE ALSO HAD A MEETING WITH STAFF. SO WE'RE TRYING TO GET AS MUCH PEOPLE INVOLVED. THE LAST THING THE DEVELOPERS OR THE CONSULTANTS COMING HERE SAYING WE DIDN'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THIS. WHY ARE YOU DROPPING ALL THIS? WE JUST NEED A COUPLE OF MONTHS TO AIR THIS OUT.

IN ORDER TO DO THAT, WE NEED TO TRANSMIT THE COM PLAN.

THAT'S THE REASON FOR THE EXTENSION REQUEST TO NOVEMBER 1ST. AGAIN, IT'S FIVE POLICIES IN THE COM PLAN WHICH NEED TO BE CHANGED.

>> IS THERE GOING TO BE ENOUGH TIME TO GET IT BACK BEFORE THIS

BOARD, BEFORE WE ALL CHANGE? >> THAT'S WHY WE DIDN'T GO TO THE SECOND MEETING. THAT'S WHY WE TOOK IT STRAIGHT TO THIS MEETING. WE SHOULD GET IT BACK WITHIN 30 DAYS. THAT WOULD MAKE IT DECEMBER 12TH. WE SHOULD HAVE PLENTY OF TIME TO GET IT ON THE AGENDA FOR OCTOBER.

>> QUESTIONS. >> DELIVER THIS TO THE BUILDERS BY THE END OF THE DAY AND THEY DID A GREAT JOB.

OF COURSE THEY DIDN'T GET A SENSE OF HUMOR AS WE DO.

>> CERTAIN LEVEL OF INTELLIGENCE.

>> HE DID A GREAT JOB. THEY UNDERSTOOD COMPLETELY WHAT WAS TRANSPIRING AFTER HE DID HIS PRESENTATION.

GOOD JOB, ED. >> THANKS, ED.

>> DIFFICULT TO SEE THE HUMOR, I PRESUME.

>> ABOUT THE ONLY PROBLEM IS CURTIS ALMOST GOT KILLED OVER IT BECAUSE HE THOUGHT IT WAS IN ADDITION.

>> THAT WAS A CRUEL JOKE. >> PUBLIC HEARING.

>> OH GOD, PUBLIC HEARING. OKAY.

>> GO AHEAD. YOU'RE ON.

APPARENTLY NOT.

>> ANYONE ELSE WANT TO SPEAK WHILE WE'RE WAITING?

>> CAN YOU HEAR ME, SIR? >> GO AHEAD, MR. ESTRADA.

>> YES, SIR. LANDMAINT1@GMAIL.COM.

I'D LIKE TO SAY THERE'S JUST WAY TOO MUCH BEING PUSHED THROUGH THE BOARD RIGHT NOW. RECEIVE THINGS IN ADVANCE OF THE DAY OF THE MEETING BECAUSE IT'S IMPOSSIBLE FOR HIM TO READ THROUGH THIS STUFF. I'M GLAD THINGS ARE GETTING CONTINUED. I DON'T WANT TO GET OFF TRACK.

SO I GUESS I'LL JUST LEAVE IT AT THAT FOR A MINUTE.

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THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. >> CAN YOU HEAR ME, SIR?

>> ARE YOU DONE? >> YES.

>> YES. OKAY.

MOVING ON TO -- >> WE HAVE TO MAKE A MOTION.

>> OH, WE GOT A MOTION. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND ON THE FLOOR. AS FAR AS THE MOBILITY FEE, THANK YOU. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

>> AYE. >> OPPOSED.

SO DONE.

>> MOVING BACK TO ITEM 15. PURCHASE OF TWO EMERGENCY RESPONSE TRAILERS. NO, NO, 14.

>> 14. >> PURCHASING POLICY.

[14.  Discussion and Approval of Revisions to the County’s Purchasing Policy]

>> YES, SIR. >> OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. SO, YES, SIR, OUR POLICY WAS ADOPTED IN 2006. SINCE THAT TIME WE'VE MADE JUST A FEW REVISIONS ADDING SOME NEW ITEMS. JUST TO BE BRIEF, I'VE GIVEN YOU A SUMMARY AND ALSO GIVEN YOU A COPY OF THE NEW POLICY. HAVE SEVEN QUICK SLIDES TO KIND OF HIGHLIGHT SOME OF THE CHANGES.

OVERALL CHANGES INCLUDE GRAMMAR, REORGANIZING THE CHAPTERS AND RECOGNIZING THE TRANSITION. THE NEW CHAPTERS IN CHAPTER ONE WE ADDED SOME DEFINITION SECTION.

CHAPTER 5, THE PURCHASING RULE, WE ADDED THE BUY AMERICAN PREFERENCE WHICH IS SIMILAR TO OUR LOCAL PREFERENCE.

CERTAIN TELECOMMUNICATIONS AND VIDEO SURVEILLANCE GOODS AND SERVICES. THAT IS THE CHINESE TELECOM THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT. WITH CHAPTER 10, WE DID ADD A PURCHASING CARD PROCEDURE SECTION.

CHAPTER 12, WE ADDED GRANT APPLICATION AND AGREEMENT PROCEDURES. NEXT SLIDE.

WE TALKED ABOUT HOW WE CAN ADD SOME EFFICIENCIES WHILE STILL MAINTAINING CONTROLS WITH ANY POLICY CHANGES.

SO I'VE OUTLINED THOSE FOR YOU. STARTING IN CHAPTER 5, UNDER THE CONTRACT PROVISIONS, WE ADDED THAT THE COUNTY MANAGER CAN APPROVE AND SIGN CONTRACTS UP TO 50,000.

CURRENT POLICY IS 25,000. SO THE 50,000 THAT WE'VE INCREASED, YOU'LL SEE THESE MATCH OTHER THRESHOLDS THAT WE WILL DISCUSS LATER. ALSO UNDER THE CONTRACT AND CONTRACT RENEWAL, WE DID ADD THAT THERE'S TIMES WHEN WE NEED TO BRING THINGS DIRECTLY TO THE BOARD.

AND CAN'T MAKE IT TO A FINANCING AUDIT.

CURRENTLY WE WAIVE OUR POLICY TO DO THAT.

WE WANT TO ADD AN ALLOWANCE IN OUR REVISIONS FOR THAT.

WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT IT WOULD JUST BE UNDER EXTREME CIRCUMSTANCES AND WE WOULD DOCUMENTED WHAT THOSE ARE.

WE ALSO ADDED A CLARIFICATION TO THE COUNTY MANAGER'S AUTHORITY TO SIGN WHAT WE CALL NON-PROCUREMENT ITEMS. MAYBE LET'S SAY RIGHT NOW THE POLICY IS NOT CLEAR ON WHOSE AUTHORITY.

IT'S REALLY THE AGREEMENTS THAT AFFECT THE DAY-TO-DAY OPERATION.

THE NEXT SLIDE IS OUR REVISED THRESHOLDS.

>> COULD YOU GO BACK TO THAT LAST ONE.

>> THIS SORTA GOTTA BE CONCURRENCE BETWEEN THE CITY AND COUNTY MANAGER. PURCHASING DIRECTOR WORKS FOR THE COUNTY MANAGER, RIGHT? AND THE DEPARTMENT OR DIVISION, WHO ALSO WORKS FOR THE COUNTY MANAGER

>> BASICALLY WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS HE WOULDN'T JUST SIGN ANY DOCUMENT. IT WOULD FOLLOW THE SAME PROCEDURES WE HAVE NOW AS FAR AS THE REVIEW PROCESS.

ALL WRITTEN AGREEMENTS ARE BROUGHT BEFORE THE PURCHASING DEPARTMENT TO INDEX THEM AND KEEP TRACK OF THEM.

IT OUTLINES THE PROCEDURES FOLLOW WHAT OUR CURRENT PROCEDURES ARE TODAY FOR ALL AGREEMENTS.

>> BUT IT'S REALLY NOT AN ADVICE AND CONSENT KINDA DEAL.

HE'S JUST GOT THE AUTHORITY TO DO IT AND HE'S GOING TO LET THEM KNOW ABOUT IT, IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING THERE?

>> CORRECT. IT WILL BE REVIEWED BEFORE HE ACTUALLY SIGNS SOMETHING.

>> SO ALL DOCUMENTS THAT COME TO THE BOARD RIGHT NOW GO THROUGH A

REVIEW PROCESS. >> IF ANYBODY IN THERE SAYS NO, THE ONLY PERSON WHO COULD REALLY STOP IT WOULD BE THE ATTORNEY.

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BUT THE REST OF THE FOLKS WORK FOR YOU.

SO WHAT'S THE -- TECHNICAL POINT.

MOVE ON.

>> IT'S NOT A NO. IT'S JUST LIKE A REQUISITION.

IT COMES UP THE CHAIN. THAT'S WHAT SHE'S TRYING TO SAY.

>> IT'S REALLY FOR, AND I THINK THE KEY PART HERE IS THAT IT DOESN'T INVOLVE THE PURCHASE OF A GOOD OR SERVICE.

THAT'S THE KEY PART BECAUSE WE HAVE A LOT OF THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO BRING TO YOU THAT ARE JUST -- LIKE AN EXAMPLE IS DURING ALL THE COVID WITH THE STATE WHEN THEY WANTED ALL THOSE ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS SIGNED. WE HAD TO BRING THEM TO YOU TO SIGN. BUT THEY'RE REALLY JUST AN ACKNOWLEDGEMENT OF RECEIPT ALLOWING HIM TO SIGN IT WHEN IT'S NOT REQUIRING YOU TO DO ANY SORT OF EXPENDITURE.

>> I'M GOOD. >> OKAY.

>> OUR REVISED THRESHOLDS. ZERO TO $999.

THAT ALLOWS A DEPARTMENT TO GO OUT AND BUY LOW DOLLAR ITEMS. SO LIKE A BATTERY TO REPLACE -- TO KEEP A VEHICLE RUNNING.

A REPAIR TO A PART FOR AN AC UNIT.

SO THEY WOULDN'T HAVE TO PREINCUMBER THE FUNDS.

THEY COULD GO OUT. AS YOU KNOW, WE HAVE 24-HOUR OPERATIONS WITH OUR PUBLIC SAFETY OR OVER THE WEEKEND.

SO THERE'S NO ONE HERE TO ISSUE A PURCHASE ORDER SO THEY COULD GO OUT TO BUY A PART. MAYBE IT'S A PLUMBING PART OR SOME LOW DOLLAR PART OR GOODS OR SERVICES.

WE ALSO HAVE THE ZERO TO $999 PEAK CARD THAT THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO USE AS WELL. AGAIN, THAT'S FOR LOW DOLLAR PROCUREMENTS. $1,000 TO $999 WOULD REQUIRE ONE VERBAL QUOTE. AND THEY WOULD HAVE TO INCUMBER THE FUND. THEY WOULD HAVE TO REQUIRE A PURCHASE ORDER. $10,000 TO 19,999 IS THREE VERBAL QUOTES HAVE TO BE OBTAINED.

AGAIN, A PURCHASE ORDER HAS TO BE RECEIVED.

SO YOU WOULD PREINCUMBER THE FUNDS.

29,000 -- THREE WRITTEN QUOTES AND OUR LOCAL PREFERENCE AND BUY AMERICA PREFERENCE WOULD APPLY TO THIS DOLLAR THRESHOLD.

AGAIN, A PURCHASE ORDER WOULD BE REQUIRED FOR THAT CATEGORY.

OUR FORMAL BIDS RIGHT NOW ARE AT $25,000.

DOUBLED THAT AND INCREASED IT TO $50,000 FOR FORMAL BIDS.

BUY AMERICAN PREFERENCE WOULD APPLY.

AND ONCE THE BID IS AWARDED, A PURCHASE ORDER IS REQUIRED.

AND IF IT'S A SERVICE, A SERVICE AGREEMENT IS REQUIRED.

ANY QUESTIONS ON THOSE CATEGORIES?

>> DO YOU EVER ANY LIKE HOW MANY PURCHASES WE MAKE IN EACH CATEGORY, AND BEFORE AND AFTER, AND HOW YOU SEE THIS THING -- YOU DON'T HAVE TO SHOW ME NUMBERS.

JUST WHAT'S IT GOING TO DO FOR US.

>> WE HAVE RESEARCHED THAT. IT DOES PROVIDE EFFICIENCIES.

WE DO SURVEYS OF OTHER COUNTIES. THIS BRINGS US IN LINE WITH WHAT OTHER COUNTIES HAVE, AS FAR AS FORMAL BIDDING, AND THE DIFFERENT CATEGORIES.

>> LET ME ADD ONE THING TO IT. IT'S REALLY AT THAT LOWER LEVEL, THAT ZERO TO $999. SO THAT'S WHERE IT ALWAYS SEEMS TO BE A HINDRANCE. AND WE'RE NOT -- WE WERE NOT WORKING EFFICIENTLY THERE. I THINK THESE OTHER ONES ARE THE BIG BUS MUSCLE MOVERS. ANYTHING OVER $50,000 IS GOING TO BE A FORMAL BID ON THIS. I WOULD SAY THE ONLY OTHER AREA -- AND I CAN'T GIVE YOU A NUMBER, A FEELING.

BETWEEN $25,000 AND $50,000, HOW MANY OF THOSE PER YEAR DO WE DO? SO TO GIVE THE BOARD AN IDEA ON THAT.

BECAUSE THAT WOULD REALLY NOW FALL UNDER MY BURDEN, YOU KNOW, TO MAKE SURE THAT'S HAPPENING CORRECTLY.

>> CORRECT. I DIDN'T BRING THAT NUMBER WITH ME. BUT IT ALL DEPENDS EACH YEAR ON -- BECAUSE SOME OF OUR CONTRACTS ARE FOR TWO OR THREE-YEAR TERM.

EACH YEAR IT'S GOING TO FLUCTUATE.

IT'S NOT GOING TO BE THE EXACT NUMBER.

BUT IT WILL FREE UP SOME OF OUR BIDS THAT GO THROUGH THE FORMAL

BID PROCESS. >> SO ANYTHING OVER $10,000,

HE'S GOTTA LOOK AT, RIGHT? >> YES, SIR.

>> THAT'S CORRECT. >> YUP.

>> AND WE KNOW WHERE HE LIVES.

>> HE HAS A SHARP EYE, TOO. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THAT?

>> NOPE. >> OKAY.

WITHIN CHAPTER 5, WE ALSO HAVE SOME EXEMPTIONS THAT ARE LISTED.

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MAINTENANCE AND SUPPORT OF SOFTWARE APPLICATIONS WITH THE FACT THAT THEY'LL GO BACK AND REVISIT THOSE EVERY FIVE YEARS.

SO THAT WILL BE YOUR TELESTAFF SOFTWARE.

YOUR WEIGHT STATION SOFTWARE, ENVIRONMENTAL SERVICES.

YOU'RE NOT GOING TO WANT TO TURN AROUND AND CHANGE THAT OUT EVERY YEAR. SO WE BRING A LOT OF THOSE TO YOU AS WAIVERS OR EXEMPTIONS OR SELF-SOURCE.

WE'RE JUST ASKING TO RECLASSIFY IT IN THIS CATEGORY.

>> THAT'S YOUR PLAN TO REBID THEM EVERY 5.

>> REVIEW IT, YES, SIR. >> REVIEW OR REBID.

WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE? >> REBID.

>> OKAY. >> RIGHT.

SO IT DEPENDS WHICH CATEGORY IT FALLS IN.

OR AT THAT TIME WE WOULD BRING IT BACK TO THE BOARD AS CONSIDERATION AS SOLE SOURCE OR A WAIVER.

I MEAN, LIKE, OUR WHOLE FINANCE SOFTWARE, IT MAY NOT BE SOMETHING WE WANT TO CHANGE OUT EVERY FIVE YEARS, BUT WE WOULD BRING THAT BACK TO THE BOARD TO MAKE THAT DECISION.

>> THE FACT THAT YOU BID SOMETHING DOESN'T MEAN YOU HAVE

TO TAKE IT, RIGHT? >> CORRECT.

>> IF IT'S THE SAME PRICE AND THE DEPARTMENT HEAD STANDS UP THERE AND SAYS, YEAH, BUT IT'S GOING TO COST $100,000 IN CHANGEOVER IN MY STAFF, THAT'S MITIGATING CIRCUMSTANCE.

BUT AT LEAST YOU BID IT. I'M JUST TRYING TO GET THIS STUFF TO THE POINT TO THE PUBLIC IT LOOKS LIKE WE'VE GOT THE OPPORTUNITY TO BID ON NEW STUFF. THAT'S ALL.

>> THE PROBLEM IS PRACTICALITY I KNOW YOU DON'T WANT TO DO IT.

>> EVEN IF THE SOFTWARE ISN'T EXPENSIVE, THE RENEWAL PART OF IT. LIKE YOU JUST SPENT MILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO DO IT. EVERY THREE YEARS OR FIVE YEARS HAVE TO REBID IT TO REPLACE IT --

>> IT'S NOT FINANCIALLY FEASIBLE.

>> SO IT WOULD COME BACK TO THE BOARD EVERY FIVE YEARS FOR RECONSIDERATION. SHOULD WE REBID? SHOULD WE EXTEND IT FOR ANOTHER FIVE YEARS?

>> WE'D ALL STILL HAVE BLACK AND WHITE TVS.

AT SOME POINT WE HAVE TO SAY WE HAVE TO THROW ALL THE BLACK AND WHITE'S OUT AND GO COLOR. I DON'T KNOW WHEN THAT IS.

THAT'S THE POINT I'M TRYING TO MAKE.

THERE MAY BE SOMETHING NEW OUT THERE WE DON'T LOOK AT BECAUSE WE'RE WORRIED ABOUT STAYING WITH THE OLD ONE.

IF WE MAKE THE CONSCIOUS DECISION IT'S JUST TOO EXPENSIVE. BUT HERE'S THE BIDS.

I'M GOOD WITH THAT. BUT NOT TO BID IT AND PRETEND IT'S THE ONLY THING AROUND, THAT'S NOT GOOD EITHER.

>> OUR THOUGHT WAS TO RESERVE THE RIGHT TO BRING IT TO THE BOARD AND ASK IF THIS IS SOMETHING WE WANT TO BID OR DO A

WAIVER. >> IF SOMETHING COMES UP AND IT'S THE SIXTH YEAR AFTER WE PASS THIS, DOES IT COME UP FOR CONSIDERATION TO REBID? OR ARE WE GOING TO START FROM NEW AND SAY IT'S GOING TO TAKE FIVE YEARS.

>> BECAUSE I THINK EVERY SOFTWARE IS NOT THE SAME.

SO THERE'S NOT A PERFECT SITUATION THAT THIS WOULD APPLY TO EACH TIME.

>> WE'RE NOT GRANDFATHERING THE THING.

>> PRIME EXAMPLE LIKE YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT YOUR FINANCIAL PACKAGE. THE BOARD IS GOING TO HAVE TO -- IF YOU'RE GOING TO REBID IT, YOU HAVE TO MAKE THAT DECISION AND PUT THAT MONEY IN YOUR BUDGET BECAUSE YOU'RE TALKING 1 MILLION OR $2 MILLION. AND IF YOU KNOW YOU DON'T HAVE THE $2 MILLION -- YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING?

>> EXTEND THE CURRENT CONTRACT. WE DON'T KNOW THERE'S A DIFFERENT ONE OUT THERE UNLESS WE GET THE BID, THOUGH.

>> THAT'S THE CART AND THE HORSE SYNDROME.

>> SO OUR POINT WAS IT WILL BE REVIEWED EVERY FIVE YEARS AS A BOARD DECISION AND STAFF DECISION.

>> OKAY. >> OKAY.

SO THE OTHER EXEMPTION WAS THE PUBLIC COMMUNICATION SERVICES.

SO THAT IS RELATED TO, LIKE, COM COM COMCAST, AT&T.

YOU ONLY HAVE ONE PROVIDER FOR A CERTAIN AREA.

YOU'VE SEEN US BRING THIS TO YOU BEFORE.

LIKE THE GOF ADVERTISEMENT. WE MAY WANT TO FOCUS ON ONE AREA THAT WE WANT TO ADVERTISE FOR. CHAPTER 7, WE MADE SOME CHANGES TO THE SINGLE SOURCE AND SOLE SOURCE.

AGAIN, WE INCREASE THE COUNTY MANAGER'S THRESHOLD TO 50,000 TO STAY CONSISTENT WITH OUR OTHER CATEGORIES.

AND THE THING WE ADDED WAS THIS ALSO MAKES US IN COMPLIANCE WITH

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>> WE EXEMPT -- GOING BACK TO THIS ONE.

THE EXEMPTION OF COMPETITIVE PURCHASING REQUIREMENT IS FOR PUBLIC COMMUNICATION SERVICES AND FOR TOURISM.

WE'RE EXEMPTING THOSE NOW IN THIS POLICY?

>> THIS WOULD ADD THOSE TWO CATEGORIES TO THE EXEMPTIONS WE HAVE. SO WE HAVE EXEMPTIONS LIKE PYING FOR TRAVEL OR HOTEL. THERE'S A WHOLE LIST OF ITEMS THAT ARE EXEMPT IN THE POLICY. AND THIS JUST ADDS THREE MORE TO

THAT LIST. >> WHY WOULD TOURIST MARKET

MATERIALS BE EXEMPT? >> THAT'S JUST FOR ADVERTISING BECAUSE YOU'RE SEEKING OUT A PARTICULAR GROUP.

AS I SAID, THE GOLF INDUSTRY IS AN EXAMPLE.

>> IT'S AN EXAMPLE BUT IT EXEMPTS EVERYTHING, DOESN'T IT?

>> JUST MARKETING AND ADVERTISING.

WE'VE HAD A LOT OF BIDS. >> PHOTOSHOOTS, VIDEOS.

>> QUITE HONESTLY, WITH THE TOURISM MARKETING MATERIALS AND ADVERTISING MATERIALS, THAT WILL BE VERY INFREQUENTLY USED ONLY IN THE SENSE AS YOU GO LOOK TO ADVERTISE, THAT CHANGES ALL THE TIME. SO IF YOU WANTED TO BE IN FLORIDA OUTDOOR MAGAZINE, NEXT YEAR, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GET A NEW PRICE BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE THE SAME PRICE EVERY YEAR. SO YOU'LL HAVE TO GO BACK AND GET SOME REAPPROVAL BECAUSE THE PRICE MAY EVEN GO DOWN.

BUT IT'S NOT GOING TO STAY THE SAME.

FOR SOME OF THOSE THINGS LIKE THE FIRST COURSE OF GOLF, THAT MEMBERSHIP IS SOMETHING THAT YOU KNOW, WE'VE LOOKED AT THAT AND THERE'S NOBODY ELSE THAT DOES EXACTLY THAT ADVERTISING.

THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD NEED TO BE RENEWED.

IN TERMS OF MARKETING MATERIALS AND ADVERTISING.

MOST OF THE MARGARETING MATERIALS, KIMBERLY IS GOING TO BE UPDATING AND REWORKING THOSE PRETTY MUCH YEARLY BASED UPON WHATEVER THE MARKETING CONDITIONS ARE.

>> THAT IS EXEMPT FROM GOING AFTER BIDS ON THAT.

SHE JUST COMES UP WITH SOMETHING.

>> IF SHE WANTS TO BE IN FLORIDA OUTDOOR MAGAZINE, SHE CAN'T PUT A BID FOR EVERYBODY WHO HAS FLORIDA OUTDOOR MAGAZINE.

THERE'S ONLY ONE OF THEM. >> OKAY.

>> IN SOME CASES WE'VE LOOKED AT IT AS A SOLE SOURCE.

WE JUST FELT LIKE THIS WAS THE BETTER SECTION TO APPLY THAT TO.

BECAUSE IT IS THINGS THAT THEY CAN'T RECEIVE THREE QUOTES ON OR

FORMAL BIDS ON. >> OKAY.

>> ANY QUESTIONS ON THE SOLE SOURCE? ALL RIGHT. SO OTHER THINGS THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT AS FAR AS EFFICIENCY.

AND WE MENTIONED THIS TO YOU AT THE LAST BOARD MEETING.

CURRENTLY OUR POLICY SAYS THAT WE HAVE TO RECEIVE BIDS ON A MONDAY AND OPEN THEM ON A TUESDAY.

WE'D LIKE TO DO AWAY WITH THAT REQUIREMENT AND ALLOW SOME FLEXIBILITY. A LOT OF OUR HOLIDAYS FALL ON A MONDAY THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. WE MAY WANT TO LOOK AT OTHER DATES THAT WOULD HELP US MEET AN AGENDA DEADLINE SOONER.

BECAUSE A WEDNESDAY AND A THURSDAY ARE OUR AGENDA DEADLINES. WE JUST ASK FOR FLEXIBILITY AND DO AWAY WITH THE MONDAY-TUESDAY REQUIREMENT.

CURRENTLY BID ADDENDUMS HAVE TO BE CERTIFIED NOW.

ACCORDING TO OUR POLICY RIGHT NOW.

BY DOING AWAY WITH THE REQUIREMENT FOR CERTIFIED MAIL, WE SAVE TIME AND MONE. MONEY.

FOR REVIEW AND RECOMMENDATION SECTION OF CHAPTER 8, WE ADDED THE RECOMMENDATION CONTRACT AND AGREEMENTS MAY BE PROVIDED FOR APPROVAL AT THE TIME OF AWARD. WE WOULD BRING AN AWARD OF A BID AND A CONTRACT AT THE SAME TIME. SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU SEE ON TODAY'S AGENDA WITH DEBRIS MONITORING.

THE OTHER WOULD BE TO ALLOW US TO BRING THINGS DIRECTLY TO THE BOARD REGARDING BID AWARDS AND BID AGREEMENTS WHEN NECESSARY.

AND AGAIN, I'LL BRING UP THE DEBRIS MONITORING.

WE'RE IN HURRICANE SEASON. WE DON'T WANT TO KEEP DELAYING THAT. WE WANT TO BRING IT TO THE BOARD. RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE TO ASK FOR A WAIVER. THE LAST THING IN CHAPTER 8 IS THE BID PROTEST PROCEDURES, AND THE NO CONTACT RULE.

THIS HAD BEEN DISCUSSED QUITE A BIT AT A PREVIOUS BOARD MEETING.

WE'VE INCOOPERATED CHANGES THAT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT IN THE PAST.

JUST TO BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION, THAT INCLUDED CURRENTLY RIGHT NOW FROM THE TIME A BID IS OPEN UNTIL A RECOMMENDATION IS MADE, COMMISSIONERS CAN HAVE CONTACT WITH VENDORS.

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VENDORS CAN'T HAVE CONTACT WITH STAFF, COUNTY MANAGER, BOARD MEMBERS, ANY AGENT OF THE BOARD. SO IT PROVIDES CONSISTENCY WITH

OUR NO CONTACT RULE >> HOW DO I KNOW WHEN MY PHONE RINGS THAT THIS PERSON IS BIDDING ON SOMETHING? I MEAN, A LOT OF TIMES I DON'T SEE THESE UNTIL THEY COME TO THE

BOARD. >> GOOD QUESTION.

>> SO WE TRY TO BRIEF YOU WHEN WE'RE GETTING READY TO BID SOMETHING BIG TO MAKE YOU AWARE OF THAT.

>> WE MIGHT NEED TO FORMALIZE THAT PROCESS.

BECAUSE IT'S NOT WORKING. >> I THINK IMMEDIATELY IF THEY SAY I'M CALLING IN REGARDS TO A BID.

THEN YOU JUST SAY, THE NO CONTACT RULE APPLIES.

REALLY THE BURDEN IS ON THE BI BIDDER. THEY'RE PROVIDED CLEAR INSTRUCTIONS IN THE BID DOCUMENT, AND THE ADVERTISEMENT.

WE ATTACH THIS TO OUR BIDS TO NOTIFY THEM OF OUR NO CONTACT

RULE. >> ONCE UPON A TIME I HAD A GROUP TAKE ME OUT TO DINNER AND THEY DIDN'T SAY WHY I WAS THERE.

NEXT THING I KNOW THEY STARTED TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING AND MY BELL WENT OFF. AND I'M THINKING, I SHOULDN'T BE

HERE. >> SO AGAIN --

>> I SEE THIS AS A PROBLEM FOR ME.

>> TO ME, THE BURDEN IS ON THE BIDDER.

THEY ARE MADE AWARE OF IT. >> I SEE THAT.

I DO SEE IT. BUT WITH ALL DUE RESPECT WHEN YOU'RE ELECTED, IT'S YOUR NAME THAT GOES IN THE PAPER.

IF Y'ALL CAN SEND US AN EMAIL SAYING THIS IS WHO WE'RE WORKING WITH RIGHT NOW. THAT WILL GO A LONG WAY.

>> THE HARD THING IS SOME OF THESE PEOPLE DO MULTIPLE THINGS.

SO YOU'RE LIKE, WAYNE, HOW ARE YOU DOING? HOW'S LIFE? OH, I CAN'T TALK TO YOU RIGHT NOW. I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT.

IT BECOMES TRICKY. >> SO IT'S PERTAINING TO THE PARTICULAR BID THAT THEY SHOULDN'T HAVE DISCUSSIONS WITH.

WE KEEP IT ON OUR WEBSITE OF UPCOMING BIDS.

WE CAN ALSO PROVIDE DOCUMENTATION.

>> THE FORMAL BID THAT WE CAN'T TALK OR ANY BID.

>> THE 50,000, THE FORMAL BID. >> FOR INSTANCE, TONIGHT --

WOULD THAT EVER BEEN ALLOWED? >> UNDER OUR CURRENT POLICY, THERE'S A SECTION THAT REMOVES THE COMMISSIONERS FROM THE TIME THE BID IS OPEN UNTIL THE TIME A DECISION IS MADE.

AND THIS JUST STATES THAT FROM THE TIME IT'S RECEIVED UNTIL THE TIME IT'S AWARDED OR UNTIL THE TIME WE'VE GONE THROUGH ANY BID PROTEST THAT THEY CAN'T CONTACT A COMMISSIONER.

>> BECAUSE I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW WE HAD PUT THIS RFP OUT.

UNTIL I SAW IT ON THE AGENDA. >> WE CAN DO A BETTER JOB TO INFORM THE BOARD. DEFINITELY.

I UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERN WITH THAT.

>> MR. CHAIR, IF I MAY ADD A REAL QUICK TOO ON THIS ONE.

I DEFINITELY COULD SEE THIS AS A SCENE.

WHY DON'T WE ALSO TAKE A LOOK AT THE BEST PRACTICES OF OTHER COUNTIES AND HOW THEY HANDLE THAT WITH THEIR ELECTED OFFICIALS, TOO. KAREN.

I THINK AN EMAIL IS JUST AN EASY WAY WE THINK ABOUT NOW.

>> ASSUMING YOU CAN READ 200 EMAILS A DAY.

>> YES, SIR. WE NEED TO LOOK AT THAT.

>> HOW THAT PROCESS BETTER.

>> OKAY. NEXT SLIDE IS CHAPTER 9, ADVANCE PAYMENT. SO THIS WOULD ALLOW THE COUNTY MANAGER TO APPROVE ADVANCE PAYMENT UP TO $35,000 WHICH IS CONSISTENT WITH FLORIDA STATUTE. RIGHT NOW HE HAS THE AUTHORITY OF UP TO $5,000. WITH THE UNDERSTANDING IF IT WAS SOMETHING HE DIDN'T WANT TO APPROVE, HE COULD BRING IT TO THE BOARD. CHAPTER 10 IS THE PURCHASING CARD PROCEDURES. AND AGAIN, THIS PROVIDES EFFICIENCIES BECAUSE IT IMPROVES EFFICIENCIES WITH PROCESSING LOW DOLLAR PURCHASED ITEMS. AND THEN CHAPTER 12, WE ADDED THE GRANT APPLICATION AND GRANT AGREEMENT PROCESS.

AND WE ALSO GAVE THE COUNTY MANAGER THE SAME AUTHORITY TO APPROVE GRANT APPLICATIONS AND GRANT AGREEMENTS UP TO 50,000.

IF THERE'S ANY PARTICULAR OBLIGATION OR FINANCIAL OBLIGATION THAT NEEDS TO BE BROUGHT TO THE BOARD, THEN HE WOULD DO THAT RATHER THAN SIGNING IT HIMSELF.

>> IF A GRANT COMES IN AND IT'S JUST ONE OF THESE RUN OF THE MILL THINGS, WE'RE NOT OBLIGATED TO PAY A MATCHING PIECE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. HE CAN JUST GO AHEAD AND DO HIS

THING. >> I'LL USE TROY AND THE LIBRARY. THEY RECEIVED A LOT OF LOW DOLLAR GRANTS THAT HAVE BEEN VERY BENEFICIAL.

BUT AT THE SAME TIME, EITHER WE'RE UP AGAINST A DEADLINE TO

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OR THE GRANT AGREEMENT MAY BE FOR $4,000, $8,000.

WE BRING IT TO THE BOARD TO SIGN.

UNDER THE NEW POLICY, THE COUNTY MANAGER COULD SIGN THOSE.

>> THE LEVEL IS 50,000? >> IT STAYS CONSISTENT WITH OUR OTHER THRESHOLDS AS FAR AS HIS AUTHORITY.

>> IS THERE A REASON AT 50,000? JUST CONSISTENCY?

>> KEEP IT SIMPLE.

>> SO IF IT'S UNDER 50 AND THERE'S AN OBLIGATION.

>> IT'S EXCLUSIVE ANY LOCAL MATCH REQUIREMENT.

SEE AFTER THE 50? EXCLUSIVE OF ANY LOCAL MATCH.

>> I'D GIVE THEM 1 MILLION IF THERE'S NO MATCH.

BUT 50,000 AND MATCH, I'D KINDA LIKE TO KNOW ABOUT THAT.

>> I THINK THAT THE WAY THAT WAS WRITTEN IS IF THERE IS A MATCH AS LONG AS THE MATCH IS UNDER THE 50, HE CAN SIGN IT.

>> SO THE 50 STAYS THE SAME FOR HIS AUTHORITY OR 50,000 MATCH, OR IF THERE'S ANY OUTSIDE OBLIGATIONS THAT HE NEEDS TO BRING BEFORE THE BOARD THEN HE HAS THAT RIGHT TO DO THAT.

>> RIGHT. SO IF IT'S AN OBLIGATION LIKE HOW STATE WAS JUST GIVING US THE SHANS PIER OR TO BE AS A PIER.

THAT WAS SOMETHING HE COULDN'T JUST ACCEPT.

HE'D HAVE TO BRING IT TO YOU BECAUSE OF THE OBLIGATION OF

MAINTENANCE. >> I'M CONFUSED NOW.

I THOUGHT I KNEW WHAT I WAS DOING HERE BEFORE.

THE 50,000, LET'S SAY IT'S 50,000 AND THERE'S 25,000 MATCH, DO WE HAVE TO KNOW ABOUT THAT OR CAN HE --

>> NO. IT'S UP TO HIS 50,000 APPROVAL.

>> I GUESS THAT'S OKAY. I'D LIKE TO KNOW ABOUT IT, IF WHEN WE'RE STARTING TO SPEND MONEY.

>> BUT YOU GOTTA REMEMBER HIS AUTHORITY UNDER THE PURCHASING

POLICY. >> UNDER 50,000.

>> SO EVEN IF IT WAS 100%, WELL HE WOULD ONLY BE ABLE TO DO IT 49,999. HE'S GETTING FREE MONEY -- HE'D BE GETTING FREE 49,000 AND THE MATCH IS 49.

SO THE 49 QUALIFIES UNDER SPENDING THRESHOLD.

>> SO SOME OF THE GRANTS WE BROUGHT TO YOU TODAY UNDER THE LANGTON ONLY REQUIRED 10%. I THINK IT WAS LIKE $4,000 MATCH

UNDER EACH ONE. >> WE WOULDN'T SEE THAT.

>> CORRECT. >> YEAH, THAT'S OKAY.

>> SO THAT'S ALL I HAVE. I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. I DID WANT TO BRING UP ONE SMALL CHANGE FROM THE TIME THAT WE PLACED THIS ON THE AGENDA AND ATTACHED THE REVISED POLICY IS THAT THERE'S A DEFINITION THAT WE'RE GOING TO REMOVE ITS CASH OUTLAY, THAT'S ONLY USED ONE IN OUR POLICY. SO IT'S NOT NECESSARY TO BE DEFINED. IF YOU APPROVE THIS TONIGHT, I'D ALSO ASK THAT YOU APPROVE THE RESOLUTION THAT'S PROVIDED THAT ACCOMPANIES THE ADOPTION OF THE POLICY.

I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE.

>> GOOD JOB. >> I'LL MOVE APPROVAL OF THE UPDATE AND THE ACCOMPANYING RESOLUTION.

>> I'LL SECOND. >> ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

>> AYE. >> OPPOSED.

>> I JUST WANT TO TAKE A QUICK MINUTE TO THANK COURTNEY AND HER STAFF. THEY'VE BEEN EXTREMELY HELPFUL.

AND THIS HAS BEEN A WORKING PROGRESS FOR A WHILE.

>> VERY GOOD. >> THANK YOU FOR YOUR HELP.

>> A LOT OF WORK. >> ITEM 15, PURCHASE OF TWO

[15.  Bid #19/20-58, Purchase of Two (2) Emergency Response Trailers]

>> GO AHEAD IF YOU WANT. >> GOOD EVENING.

>> JOHN. >> WE'RE GOING TO FIGHT OVER

THIS ONE, SIR. >> YOU'VE GOT 30 SECONDS.

>> AWESOME. SO IN FRONT OF YOU YOU HAVE TWO EMERGENCY RESPONSE TRAILERS THAT WILL BE PURCHASED THROUGH CARES ACT. TESTING, IMMUNIZATIONS ALONG THOSE LINES. WHEN WE START LOOKING AT AN ANTIVIRAL, WE CAN GET TO DISADVANTAGED AREAS.

THEY'LL BE ASSIGNED TO THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH.

>> I MOVE TO APPROVAL. >> SECOND.

>> ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. >> AYE.

>> I THINK THAT WAS 33, SIR. SO I WAS CLOSE.

[16.  Debris Monitoring Contractor Agreements]

>> ITEM 16, DEBRIS OF MONITORING CONTRACT OR AGREEMENTS.

>> SO THIS IS APPROVAL TO WAIVE THE PURCHASING POLICY ON THE CONSENT AGENDA YOU APPROVED ARE AWARD OF PRIMARY, SECONDARY,

[04:20:04]

AS WAS PROVEN IN LAST WEEK'S STORM.

>> WE'RE TO SELECT ONE OF THOSE THREE.

>> NO, WE DO THREE. WE HAVE A PRIMARY, AND THEN IF FOR SOME REASON THE PRIMARY FAILS, WE HAVE A SECONDARY ONE.

>> APPROVAL WITH THE WAIVER OF PURCHASING POLICY.

>> SECOND. >> SOMEWHERE I READ THAT THERE WAS A PRIMARY CONTRACTOR INVOLVED HERE.

IS THAT TRUE? >> THERE IS NO -- OUR PRIOR CONTRACTOR, SIR, WAS LANDFALL STRATEGIES.

WHO I WILL SAY KIND OF FAILED US IN IRMA.

WE WERE STILL UNDER CONTRACT WITH THEM UNTIL SEPTEMBER.

WHEN MILTON AND I REACHED OUT TO THEM PRIOR TO LAST WEEKEND IN

PREPARATORY TO THE STORM. >> DEBRIS TECH ESTIMATED TOTAL OF 209,980. THEY WERE LISTED AS THE PRIMARY CONTACT. NOW WHEN I GO BACK AND I LOOK AT THE THOMAS CONSULTING ONE, I KNOW I ASKED THIS QUESTION BEFORE. THEY'RE LISTED AT 176,000.

>> SO WHAT WE DID IS IN THE GRADING, WE HAD 10%.

PLEASE KICK ME IF I'M WRONG, MS. KAREN.

WE HAD THE PRICE AT 10%. BECAUSE IN THIS, SIR, I WANT EXPERIENCE FIRM AND AN EXPERIENCED STAFF BECAUSE THIS IS OUR INSURANCE COMPANY. THESE ARE THE FOLKS THAT ARE PREPARING ALL OUR DOCUMENTS WHERE WE'RE GOING TO GET THAT $6 MILLION REIMBURSEMENT FROM FEMA.

WE DIDN'T LOOK AT NECESSARILY JUST LOW BID.

WE GRADED IT ON EXPERIENCE AND QUALIFICATIONS OF FIRM, SIR.

>> THAT'S WHERE MY RADAR WENT OFF.

BECAUSE IT'S LIKE WHEN WE CIRCUMVENT THE POLICY, WE ASK FOR A WAIVER. AND I LOOK AT THIS THING AND I

SEE A LOW BIDDER BEING -- >> THAT'S NOT THE WAIVER.

>> SO WE'RE CIRCUMVENTING OUR PURCHASING POLICY TO PICK SOMEBODY AS THE PRIMARY CONTRACTOR WHO IS THE HIGHEST BID. THAT'S WHAT THIS IS LOOKING

LIKE. >> NO, NO, NO.

>> NO, NO, NO. >> SO THIS IS REQUEST FOR PROPOSAL NOT A REQUEST FORBID. REQUEST FOR PROPOSAL ALLOWS YOU TO LOOK AT OTHER FACTORS, NOT JUST PRICE ONLY.

WE HAD QUALIFICATIONS, EXPERIENCE OF THE STAFF THAT WAS DIFFERENT CATEGORIES THAT WE EVALUATED THEM ON.

SO IT'S NOT PRICE ONLY. SIMILARLY TO THE EDC RFP THAT

WS JUST BROUGHT BEFORE YOU. >> I KNOW THAT.

BUT YOU'RE MAKING A JUDGMENT OUTSIDE OF THE REALM OF THE TRADITIONAL FLOW OF THE WAY THESE THINGS ARE SUPPOSED TO GO

TO THE FINANCE COMMITTEE. >> THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS ME AND DIANE WOULD HAVE MET BUT WE'RE HERE NOW.

>> -- >> I GET THAT.

BUT I'M SAYING WHEN I SEE THESE KINDS OF THINGS AND I SEE THE LOWEST BIDDER BEING LISTED AS THE SECONDARY SUPPLIER, AND I SEE THE HIGHEST BIDDER AS BEING THE PRIMARY, THERE MAY BE A MILLION REASONS THAT'S GOING ON. BUT COMING STRAIGHT TO THE BOARD

WITH IT. >> THAT'S NOT STRAIGHT TO -- I GUESS. YEAH, SO THE BID WENT TO FINANCE. THE BID WENT TO FINANCE.

WE COULDN'T GET THE CONTRACTS DONE FAST ENOUGH TO BRING THE

CONTRACT ALONG WITH IT. >> THEY VETTED THE BID AND THEY

VETTED THE ISSUE. >> BUT NOT THE FINAL CONTRACT.

>> OKAY. I STAND CORRECTED.

>> IF I COULD ADD ONE OTHER ITEM.

AND I LOOKED IN TO THAT, COMMISSIONER BOLA.

I LOOKED AT THE LINE ITEMS EACH ONE OF THOSE BID ITEMS THERE.

AND YOU CAN LOOK SPECIFICALLY AT THAT THIRD ONE, THE TERTIARY, WHICH IS THOMPSON CONSULTING SERVICES.

IF YOU LOOK MIDWAY DOWN, THEY'RE EXTREMELY HIGH PER HOUR OR PER ITEM WHEN IT'S CALCULATED THERE. I THINK THE FINAL THING TO JUST ASK JOHN AND THE GROUP WOULD BE, WHY WERE THOSE ITEMS PICKED.

THAT'S TYPICALLY WHAT'S LOOKED AT I GUESS.

CAN YOU EXPLAIN TO THE BOARD. >> WE TOOK PAST INVOICES FROM OUR VARIOUS MONITORING FIRMS WE'VE USED BEFORE AND LOOKED AT WHAT POSITIOS THEY'VE BILLED US FOR.

PROJECT GIS, THOSE ADMINISTRATIVE POSITIONS AND WE'VE LISTED THOSE OUT. WE GAVE THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO BILL ON IT. YOU'VE GOT SOME THAT WERE DISPARATE. ONE WAS $100.

ONE WAS 190 TYPE OF THING. WHERE WE REALLY JUDGED HIGH WAS THE QUALIFICATIONS OF THE FIRM, HOW LONG THE FIRM HAD BEEN IN BUSINESS, DOING WHAT THEY DO, AND THEN STAFF IS WHAT WE REALLY LOOKED AT BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT I WANT FOR THIS.

>> AND THAT IS WHAT WE'RE PAYING YOU TO DO.

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>> THANK YOU, SIR. TRUST ME, SIR, I SAT HERE THREE YEARS AGO ON THIS FLOOR AND SPOKE TO YOU AND TALKED ABOUT DEBRIS.

>> I'VE BEEN THERE, YEAH. >> GOT THE SCARS, HUH?

>> YES. >> I'LL MOVE APPROVAL WITH THE WAIVER OF PURCHASING POLICY FOR THE CONTRACT.

>> SECOND. >> ALL RIGHT.

AFTER DISCUSSION, WHICH WE'VE ALREADY HAD, ALL IN FAVOR SAY

AYE. >> AYE.

>> OPPOSED. SO DONE.

[17.  Solid Waste Franchises Discussion (M. Towns)]

>> GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIR, COMMISSIONERS.

THIS IS JUST REALLY BRIEF. AND THE REASON I'M HERE, IF YOU RECALL, WE DID A PRETTY THOROUGH PRESENTATION BACK IN JANUARY ON OUR FRANCHISES. WE HAD SOME DISCUSSION BACK AND FORTH. RECENTLY, I KNOW THERE'S BEEN AT LEAST A COUPLE OF CALLERS WHO HAVE APPROACHED.

CERTAINLY MY OFFICE. AND I BELIEVE SOME OF THE COMMISSION AND THE MANAGER ABOUT THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO A FRANCHISE. SO I JUST THOUGHT I'D GIVE YOU A QUICK UPDATE. AND SOME OF THE MATERIAL I PUT IN YOUR BRIEF THERE IS WE DEVELOPED AFTER OUR DISCUSSIONS IN JANUARY. QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION, AND ALSO FROM THE MANAGER AND MR. PRICE, OUR AUDITOR AT THE TIME. SO VERY QUICKLY, FIRST ON OUR ACTIVITY TIMELINE, I BELIEVE I MISTYPED THE FRANCHISE WE TERMINATED WAS THIS YEAR. SO I BELIEVE I PUT 19 AND THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN 2020. SO RIGHT NOW WE'RE STANDING AT 15 FRANCHISES. YOU AGREED WITH STAFF RECOMMENDATION AND WE ONBOARDED THREE NEW FRANCHISEES TO BRING US TO 16. SINCE, YOU KNOW, MIDDLE OF LAST YEAR, WE HAVE TERMINATED ONE FRANCHISE FOR CAUSE.

THEY WEREN'T ADHERING TO THEIR AGREEMENT.

AND WERE NOT ABLE TO BRING THEMSELVES IN TO COMPLIANCE.

WE ANTICIPATE, AND AGAIN, WITH HAD COVID IT'S PUT OFF THE MERGER. IT'S BEEN DELAYED A COUPLE OF TIMES. THE MERGER WITH ADVANCED DISPOSAL AND MANAGEMENT. MY ANTICIPATION IS ONCE THAT GOES THROUGH, AND NOW THEY ARE TARGETING SEPTEMBER.

HOPEFULLY THEY'LL REACH THAT DATE.

BUT ONCE THEY GET ALL THEIR DUCKS IN A ROW, WASTE MANAGEMENT IS OPERATING ITS CLAY COUNTY CUSTOMERS OUT OF ITS JACKSONVILLE OFFICE. ADVANCED DISPOSAL HAS A LOCATION HERE OUTSIDE OF GREEN COVE. SO MY ANTICIPATION IS THAT THEY'LL MERGE THE OPERATIONS IN THAT ALL OF THE COMMERCIAL ACCOUNTS BEING WASTE MANAGEMENT IS SERVICES OUT OF JACKSONVILLE WILL TRANSITION AND BE SERVICED OUT OF GREEN COVE, MAKING ONE OF THOSE FRANCHISES UNNECESSARY. SO I'M ANTICIPATING THAT THAT WILL FREE UP A FRANCHISE. WHICH WOULD BRING US DOWN TO 14.

ALSO, SO THE INFORMATION WE DIDN'T HAVE LAST TIME IN SOME OF OUR DISCUSSION IS WHAT DOES IT COST US TO ON BOARD A FRANCHISE, TO VET THEM, GO THROUGH THE PROCESS, AND ALSO TO MAINTAIN FRANCHISEES. SO WE DID THAT EXERCISE LATE LAST YEAR. AND WE BROKE OUT STAFF, ESTIMATED STAFF HOURS BY POSITION.

SO I USED ACTUAL STAFF HOURS BY THEIR POSITION, OBVIOUSLY.

YOU KNOW, AT THAT ENTRY PERSON IS AT A DIFFERENT WAGE THAN I AM. ALTHOUGH I SPENT A WHOLE LOT LESS TIME AT THAT FRANCHISE. I THINK THESE ARE PRETTY FAIR NUMBERS. THERE IS DAILY WORK INVOLVED WITH THE FRANCHISEES. AND SO WE THINK THAT ON AVERAGE, THIS WAS DIVIDED OVER THE 16 THAT WE HAD.

IT'S ABOUT $3,800 A YEAR IN STAFF TIME AND EXPENSE IN STAFF TIME. ABOUT 3,000 HOURS A YEAR TO DEAL WITH THOSE FRANCHISES. ALSO, THEN TO BRING SOMEBODY ON BOARD, WE TREAT IT AS A PROCESS MUCH LIKE AN RFP.

THE LAST TIME WE HAD THAT PROCESS WAS MYSELF, DEBBIE, SYLVIA FROM FINANCE. A LOT OF THAT EVALUATION HAS TO DO WITH FINANCIALS FOR THE COMPANIES.

[04:30:01]

ALSO THEY'RE REQUIRED TO DO IT PRO FORMA.

A BUSINESS PRO FORMA. FINANCIAL EXPERT LOOKING AT THAT IS VERY IMPORTANT. REALLY TO MAKE SURE WE HAD A FEW THAT WASN'T SOMEBODY CLOSELY TIED TO SOLID WASTE.

YOU KNOW, I'M PRETTY FAMILIAR WITH MOST OF THESE COMPANIES.

SO I WANT TO INVOLVE PEOPLE OUTSIDE OF OUR DEPARTMENT.

TWO-THIRDS OF THE COMMITTEE WAS OUTSIDE THE SOLID WASTE AREA.

AND IN DOING SO, AND THEN BY THE TIME WE DO THAT AND EVALUATE THEM, WE DO THE CONTRACTS, BRING THEM ON BOARD.

WE THINK THAT TAKES ABOUT $2,200 BASED ON WHAT WE SPENT ON THE LAST GO AROUND PER FRANCHISEES, JUST TO BRING THEM ON BOARD.

RIGHT NOW WHERE WE STAND, WE AS I SAID, WE'VE GOT 15 OPERATING.

ONE HAS NOT BEEN ACTIVE THIS YEAR IN CLAY COUNTY.

I DID SPEAK WITH THEM. AND THEY WERE -- THEY WERE REALLY PLANNING TO GET GOING IN CLAY COUNTY EARLY THIS YEAR.

BUT COVID HAS PUT A HALT ON THEM.

THEIR FRANCHISE AGREEMENTS THEY HELD UNTIL SEPTEMBER OF 2021, UNDER OUR AGREEMENT. I DID LET THEM KNOW IT'S A FLAG WHEN WE DON'T SEE THEM DOING ANY WORK AND THEY'RE TAKING UP A FRANCHISE SPOT. SO I CAN REPORT BACK MORE AS THINGS MOVE FORWARD. HOPEFULLY THEY'LL EITHER GET BUSY IN CLAY OR IF THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO, THEN THAT'S ONE WE WILL PROBABLY -- NOT PROBABLY, I WOULD CERTAINLY COME TO YOU AT RENEWAL TIME AND WE WOULD NOT BE RECOMMENDING RENEWAL OF SOMEBODY WHO IS NOT ACTIVELY USING THEIR FRANCHISING. BUT THE COVID CERTAINLY HAS WRECKED A LOT OF PEOPLE'S PLANS. AND THEN THE ORDINANCE, THAT'S BEEN LONGER WORK IN PROGRESS THAN I ANTICIPATED.

AND IT IS WORKING WITH THE ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.

>> BUT NOW THAT YOU HAVE THE PURCHASING POLICY DONE, YOU'LL

MOVE UP. >> I KNOW IT'S NEARLY COMPLETION IN THE ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. AND THEN WE'LL DO WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO GET THAT BEFORE YOU. I KNOW THAT REQUIRES A COUPLE OF PUBLIC HEARINGS. SO MY RECOMMENDATION AS FAR AS MOVING FORWARD, AND I KNOW THERE'S SOME PEOPLE ARE ANXIOUS TO START DOING WORK. IT IS COMPETITIVE.

THEY MAY OR MAY NOT WIN. AN OPPORTUNITY.

BUT I WOULD ASK THAT WE GIVE IT A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME TO LET THE ORDINANCE GET COMPLETED. AND THEN IF WE SEE WHAT THIS WASTE MANAGEMENT ADS MERGER DOES HERE IN LATER PART OF THE YEAR.

BECAUSE IF THAT -- I WOULD LIKE TO DO THE PROCESS ONCE AND GO AHEAD AND BRING ON TWO OR THREE RATHER THAN DO IT ONCE FOR ONE, AND THEN DO IT AGAIN TO BRING ON SOMEBODY ELSE FOUR MONTHS LATER.

BUT IT'S AT THE PLEASURE OF THE BOARD.

>> MR. CHAIR. SO I UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS AND THE HISTORY NOW, AND I'VE READ THE EMAILS YOU'VE SENT.

THE THING THAT I THINK THAT IS JUST FUNDAMENTALLY FRUSTRATING TO ME, AND I HAVE NO VALUE, THERE'S NOTHING I GET -- I DON'T EVEN KNOW HALF OF THESE COMPANIES.

IF YOU HAVE A COMPANY AND YOU WANT TO OPERATE AND BE A BUSINESS IN CLAY COUNTY, YOU CAN'T.

IT DOESN'T MATTER IF YOU'RE GREAT AND YOU WANT TO DO AMAZING WORK AND YOU'RE EVEN GOING TO HAUL IT OUT OF THE COUNTY, YOU'RE NOT EVEN GOING TO DUMP IT IN CLAY COUNTY.

YOU CAN'T DO IT CERTAINLY BECAUSE GOVERNMENT SAYS NO.

THAT'S THE THING I HAVE A FUNDAMENTAL ISSUE WITH IT.

I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE CAN'T CHARGE THEM.

IF YOU WANT TO DO BUSINESS, IF THEY SAY THAT'S TOO EXPENSIVE THEN OKAY. THAT'S HOW MUCH IT COSTS US FOR YOU TO DO BUSINESS. SO THAT'S HOW MUCH WE'RE GOING TO CHARGE YOU. BUT JUST A BLANKET NO IS THE THING THAT I HAVE THE BIGGEST ISSUE WITH.

BECAUSE IT JUST SEEMS THAT'S ANTI-FREE MARKET.

AND I GET THAT WE HAVE TO MONITOR AND CONTROL OUR DISPOSAL. BUT IN ONE CASE I TALKED TO A COMPANY, THEY SAID WE CAN TAKE THE STUFF OTHER PLACES.

BUT RIGHT NOW WE'RE NOT EVEN ALLOWED TO OPERATE IN CLAY COUNTY SIMPLY BECAUSE WE'RE NOT ON THE FRANCHISE LIST.

AND THAT'S THE THING THAT I HAVE A FUNDAMENTAL ISSUE WITH AND WOULD LIKE TO SEE CHANGED. THAT IF YOU'RE A COMPANY AND YOU'RE WILLING TO PAY THE AMOUNT IT COSTS FOR STAFF AND WILLING TO OPERATE WITHIN OUR RULES, WHY SHOULDN'T YOU BE ABLE TO OPERATE. THAT'S MY MAIN THING ON IT ALL.

REGARDLESS OF WHAT COMPANY IT IS.

[04:35:04]

>> IS THERE A WAY TO GET REIMBURSED FOR INSPECTING THESE GUYS? I MEAN, THAT WAS YOUR PRINCIPLE ARGUMENT WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THIS LAST TIME

>> THAT'S PART OF IT. THEY DO PAY US 14% OF THEIR GROSS RECEIPTS FOR THE PRIVILEGE OF HAVING A FRANCHISE.

>> WHAT PERCENTAGE? >> 14% OF THEIR GROSS RECEIPTS.

>> DOES THAT COVER YOUR EXPENSE? >> IT DOES.

ON BLENDED IT DOES. YOU MAY RECALL, I MEAN, UPWARDS TOWARD 90% OF THE COMMERCIAL BUSINESSES IS BEING DONE BY THE LARGEST FIVE FRANCHISEES. SO THERE ARE THREE OR FOUR OF THOSE SMALLER COMPANIES WHO, THEIR TOTAL FRANCHISE FEES THEY PAY ARE VERY LIKELY GOING TO BE -- THEY'RE TRACKING TO BE LESS THAN THAT $3,800 THIS YEAR. IF WE BLEND THEM, THEN WE

CERTAINLY DO COVER THE COST. >> MAKING A FLAT RATE UNLESS YOUR GROSS RECEIPTS GO OVER THE GUIDE.

>> THAT WILL KEEP THE SMALL GUYS WHO DON'T USE THE THING OUT OF

BUSINESS. >> BUT EFFECTIVELY, YOU'RE DOING

THE SAME THING. >> USING DOLLARS AND CENTS TO

LIMIT. >> I'M FINE WITH THAT IF IT'S COST OF STAFF TIME. WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW IS IF A COMPANY WANTS TO PAY THE FEE FOR ON BOARDING AND WANTS TO PAY THE AMOUNT THAT IT COSTS FOR STAFF TO WATCH THEM, THEY CAN'T.

THEY'RE JUST TOLD NO AUTOMATICALLY.

IT'S NOT -- THERE'S NOT A, YOU KNOW, LIKE WHY CAN'T THEY JUST SAY IF I'M WILLING TO PAY FOR STAFF TIME AND ON BOARDING, THEN CAN I OPERATE IN CLAY COUNTY. THAT'S THE MAIN STICKING POINT YOU DON'T WANT STAFF TO BE OVERBURDENED.

WHY CAN'T THEY JUST PAY THE FEE THAT IT COSTS?

>> WHAT DO THE OTHER COUNTIES DO? DO THEY CHARGE PEOPLE TO COME ON BOARD?

>> I DON'T HAVE A REAL FEEL. MOST CHARGE IN APPLICATION -- WE HAVE AN APPLICATION FEE. IT'S NOWHERE NEAR THE TOTAL COST. IT'S $250 JUST FOR THEM TO APPLY WHEN WE ACCEPT APPLICATIONS. SOME COUNTIES LIMIT IT VERY MUCH LIKE WE DO. THEY HAVE A LIMITED NUMBER.

THERE ARE OTHER COMMUNITIES THAT IT'S AN UNLIMITED NUMBER.

THEY'LL ADD ANYBODY AS LONG AS THEY PLAY BY THE RULES.

MUCH LIKE COMMISSIONER ROLLINGS IS DESCRIBING.

IT'S UP TO THE COMMUNITY. POLICING DOES BECOME, AT SOME POINT, WHEN DOES THAT OVERWHELM OR WHEN DO YOU NEED TO ADD STAFF TO HANDLE THAT ADDITIONAL WORKLOAD IN ORDER TO KEEP EVERYBODY HONEST. BUT REALLY IT'S A POLICY DECISION IN THE END. I MEAN, THE PROCEDURE WE'RE FOLLOWING NOW IS WE'RE FOLLOWING WHAT'S IN COUNTY CODE.

IT'S WHAT'S IN THE COUNTY FRANCHISE ORDINANCE.

WHICH SAYS THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO TIME SCHEDULE IN THERE. THE COMMISSION WILL SET HOW MANY, AND AT WHAT PERIODS DO WE ACCEPT APPLICATIONS FOR ADDITIONAL FRANCHISES. AND IT'S HOW IT'S WRITTEN, IT'S ABOUT THE NEEDS OF THE COMMUNITY.

AND DO WE HAVE A LACK OF SERVICE? DO WE NEED MORE SERVICE? OBVIOUSLY THOSE ARE VERY SUBJECTIVE TYPE OF CRITERIA. BUT THIS IS, WHAT -- THE POLICY IS WHAT WAS SET UP A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO WHEN THE ORDINANCE WAS WRITTEN. AND SO IT'S IN THE BOARD'S PURVIEW IF WE WANT TO CHANGE THE DIRECTION OF THAT POLICY.

THERE ARE A LOT OF WAYS TO HANDLE THIS.

AS WE'VE SAID BEFORE, FRANCHISE -- PART OF IT IS DEFINITELY YOU WANT TO KNOW WHO'S OPERATING THESE LARGE TRUCKS IN YOUR COMMUNITY AND KIND OF HAVE SOME CONTROL.

ANOTHER PART OF IT IS THAT IT'S ECONOMIC FLOW CONTROL.

THROUGH THOSE FRANCHISES, WE DIRECT WASTE OUR FACILITIES SO WE CONTINUE TO BE SELF-FUNDED. AND THE ORDINANCE SPEAKS TO THAT AS WELL. FRANCHISEES ARE PROHIBITED FROM HAULING IT OUT OF COUNTY. BECAUSE WE RELY ON THAT REVENUE

TO SUPPORT US >> LAST TIME THAT WAS PART OF THE ARGUMENT WE'RE GOING TO FILL UP.

SO I'M SAYING THEY'RE WILLING TO NOT FILL UP OUR LANDFILL.

I THINK THEY WOULD DO WHATEVER CLAY COUNTY WANTS.

I'M JUST TRYING TO COUNTER ACT SOME OF THE ARGUMENTS I HEARD LAST TIME WHEN ARE, IT'S GOING TO FILL UP OUR LANDFILL.

[04:40:03]

OR THAT AT STAFF TIME, WHY NOT LET THEM PAY THE AMOUNT IT COSTS FOR STAFF TIME. THOSE TWO ARGUMENTS ASIDE, WHAT'S THE DISADVANTAGE FOR ALLOWING MORE FREE MARKET.

>> I THINK WHAT HE'S SAYING IS HE MAKES MONEY WHEN THEY BRING

IT TO US. >> PUT THAT IN THE CONTRACT, THEN THAT'S FINE. THAT TAKES AWAY THE ARGUMENT THAT OUR LANDFILL IS GOING TO GET TOO FULL IF WE HAVE TOO MANY.

>> AT SOME POINT WE'RE GOING TO OUTGROW CAPACITY.

I BELIEVE THAT WAS PART OF THE CONVERSATION MORE ABOUT OUT OF COUNTY WASTE MAYBE MORE SO THAN FRANCHISE.

WE HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO HAVE CAPACITY FOR ALL WAYS GENERATED

IN THE COUNTY. >> WE'RE ONLY GENERATING IN THE COUNTY SO MUCH WASTE THAT HAULERS ARE PICKING UP.

JUST BECAUSE WE ADD MORE DOESN'T MEAN WE'RE GOING TO HAVE MORE WASTE. THE PIE IS GOING TO GET SPLIT A

LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY. >> I WOULD ARGUE THAT IN THE END, THE BIG GUYS ARE THOSE BIG CORPORATIONS ARE GOING TO STILL CONTROL THE LION'S SHARE. BUT THERE'S A PLACE FOR THE

SMALLER HAULERS. >> THAT'S MY CONCERN.

IF SOMEBODY IS PAYING $6,000, THE BIGGER GUYS ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT EASILY. IT'S THE SMALLER GUY.

SO YOU'RE EFFECTIVELY NEGATING WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO BY

HAVING EVERYBODY BE IN THERE. >> STILL NOT AN ABSOLUTE PROHIBITION. THAT'S THE THING I CAN'T GET PAST. IT DOESN'T MATTER IF YOU HAVE THE MONEY, IF YOU HAVE THE ABILITY.

NONE OF THAT MATTERS. YOU'RE NOT ON THE LIST, SORRY.

>> WE'RE NOT GOING TO REWRITE IN TO POLICY NOW DUE TO THE HOUR.

WHAT COMMISSIONER ROLLINGS SAID. YOU BROUGHT UP SOME GOOD POINTS.

MAYBE JUST TO MOVE THINGS ALONG, WITH WHATEVER ASSISTANCE YOU WANT TO SEEK OUT, MAYBE SIT DOWN AND DRAFT SOME NEW VERBIAGE AND DISTRIBUTE TO US. WE'LL ADDRESS THIS IN THE

FUTURE. >> I DIDN'T WANT TO MOVE TOO FAR

FORWARD. >> BUT IF YOU CAN DO THAT.

>> MAYBE OUR NEW AUDITOR COULD COME UP WITH A FEE STRUCTURE TO MAKE THIS MAKE SENSE. IF WE HAVE TO ADD A PERSON, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT AS LONG AS IT'S PAID FOR.

>> THERE'S ALWAYS A GOOD AND BAD TO IT ANYTIME YOU CHANGE, THERE'S GOING TO BE A RIPPLE EFFECT.

IF YOU COULD DO THAT, THAT WOULD BE GRATEFUL APPRECIATED.

I KINDA FORGOT WHERE WE WERE. DO WE NEED TO VOTE ON ANYTHING

FOR YOU? >> NO, SIR.

MR. CHAIRMAN, IT CAME UP. I ASKED JUST TO BRIEF THE BOARD

BECAUSE IT'S COME UP AGAIN. >> WHY ARE YOU WASTING OUR TIME?

I APPRECIATE IT. >>> NOW WE'RE MOVING ALONG.

[18.  CARES Act Update (T. Nagle)]

>> HOPEFULLY NOT LONG, SIR. CARES ACT UPDATE.

EACH OF YOU RECEIVED A PACKET. THE FRONT PAGE IS THE GRANTEES THAT WE DID FOR NONPROFITS FOR ROUND ONE AND TWO.

WE HAVE THREE MORE THAT MEET THE CRITERIA.

CLAY COUNTY, HABITAT FOR HUMANITY, KIDS FIRST TO FLORIDA, AND JP HALL CHARITIES. THE ONLY REASON JP HALL CHARITIES IS IN YELLOW IS BECAUSE I'D LIKE YOU TO APPROVE THEM. WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING MEETS THE FAIRGROUNDS STANDARDS.

THEY'RE PROPOSING A DRIVE-THRU TOY GIVE AWAY THIS YEAR BECAUSE OF COVID. SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE CROSS OUR TS AND DOT OUR IS. I WOULD HAVE TO POINT OUT THAT IF YOU AWARD THESE THREE, THAT'S GOING TO 6,405 DOLLARS OVER WHAT

WE ALLOW FOR NONPROFITS. >> I MOVE WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT. SHIFT THE $6,000 AND CLOSE OFF.

>> DO I HAVE A SECOND? >> I'LL SECOND.

>> ANY DISCUSSION QUESTIONS? >> I JUST THINK DEPENDING WHAT HAPPENS, WE MAY WANT TO REOPEN THE NONPROFIT CATEGORY AT SOME

POINT DOWN THE LINE. >> LEFT OVER.

>> YEAH. EXACTLY.

>> ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. >> AYE.

>> OPPOSED. SO DONE.

THANK YOU, TROY. >> SO THE NEXT TWO PAGES -- I'M NOT DONE BUT I'LL MAKE IT FAST. THE NEXT TWO PAGES, I THINK LAST TIME WE WERE HERE THE BOARD ASKED FOR AN UPDATE ON SPENDING AND WHAT THE DIFFERENT PROJECTS ARE.

THESE ARE ALL THE PROJECTS FROM THE ORIGINAL PLAN AND ORIGINAL

[04:45:04]

WHAT'S IN THE HOPPER. INCLUDING MONEY WE COMMITTED TO THE MUNICIPALITIES. FLUCTUATION, CHANGE.

AS TODAY, YOU AWARDED THE TRAILERS.

WE HAD $100,000 BUDGETED. I THINK THEY CAME IN $88,000.

WE LEFT A LITTLE BIT IN THAT BUDGET LINE ITEM.

THIS GIVES YOU A FLOW OF WHERE WE ARE CURRENTLY.

I WILL BRING YOUR ATTENTION TO A COUPLE OF THINGS WE HAD TO ADD.

JOHN IS STILL HERE IN CASE YOU HAD A QUESTION.

WE HAD TO DO SUPPLEMENTAL NURSING STAFF.

THERE'S A $500,000 BUDGET LINE ITEM FOR THAT.

WE HAD TO SECURE A FACILITY. AND WE'VE PUT A DOLLAR AMOUNT OF $1 MILLION IN THAT FACILITY. IT'S NOT TO BUY A FACILITY.

IT'S FOR MEDICAL OVERFLOW. AND I'LL DEFER TO JOHN IF HE WANTS TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE MORE EXPLANATION.

BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY BECAUSE WE THINK THE COST OF THE WAREHOUSE IS GOING TO BE A LITTLE LESS, THE NUMBERS STILL WORK OUT. THE BOTTOM LINE IS $37.1 MILLION WHICH LEAVES YOU A LITTLE OVER $1 MILLION IN RESERVE AT THIS POINT. SO I'LL LET JOHN ADDRESS THOSE TWO ITEMS THAT WE HAD TO ADD TO THE BUDGET.

>> TWO OF THE THINGS. ONE IS NURSING.

THE STATE IS PULLING BACK ALL THEIR NURSING CONTRACTS THAT ARE DOING A LOT OF THE STATE -- OR A LOT OF THE PARTNERED TESTING.

THEY'RE PULLING BACK 28, AUGUST. AND WE'VE GOT A GSA CONTRACT WITH MAXIM NURSING. WE BROUGHT IN NURSES TO AUGMENT THE JAIL DURING COVID. WE'RE BRINGING EIGHT NURSES IN TO CONTINUE ON THE TESTING AT THE COMMUNITY TESTING CENTER ON 31 -- I'M SORRY, 30 AUGUST, THEY WILL START THERE.

MOVING ON TO THE FACILITY. WE HAVE A SIGNATURE HEALTHCARE OF MIDDLEBERG THAT MY DEAR FRIEND COURTNEY OVER HERE, SHE'S GOING TO GIVE ME A DIRTY LOOK ON THE CONTRACT.

BUT WE ARE GOING TO ENTER IN TO A LEASE FROM 1 SEPTEMBER TO 15 DECEMBER. AND WHAT THAT'S GOING TO DO IS THAT'S GOING TO GIVE US 30 ROOMS OF CONVALESCENT CARE CAPACITY IN CASE WE GET ANY SURGE AS WE GO IN THE FALL FROM OUR HOSPITALS.

ACA HAS RELEASED THE GUIDANCE. WHICH IN SOME CASES WAS NEARLY IMPOSSIBLE TO GET FROM OUR HOSPITAL.

THEY WOULD LITERALLY HAVE TO SIT IN THE HOSPITAL WAITING EVEN THOUGH THEY WEREN'T INFECTIOUS ANYMORE.

ANY CONVALESCENT CARE, THEY COULD TRANSFER TO THIS FACILITY.

WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF NEGOTIATING PRICE AND

NEGOTIATING THE CONTRACT NOW. >> AND WHAT WAS THE OVERFLOW, TROY, ON THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE? YOU ADDED SOME THINGS.

THE ORIGINAL BUDGET WAS 720. WE WENT TO 1.2.

>> AFTER TALKING TO THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE.

FOR US TO LOOK AT THINGS THEY WERE PLANNING ON DOING THAT THEY MAY BE PLANNING IN NEXT BUDGET YEAR BUT REALLY THEY WERE DOING THEM FOR CARES. OR THE CARES MONEY COULD BE USED. CHANGING OUT WATER FAUCETS, SOME OF THEIR FACILITIES. THAT ALLOWS US TO DO IT NOW

RATHER THAN NEXT BUDGET. >> PERFECT.

>> HAVE WE GOTTEN THE FIRST NICKEL BACK ON THE SUPPLEMENTAL

REIMBURSEMENTS? >> FROM CARES ACT?

>> YEAH. WE HAVEN'T GONE OVER THE $9.5 MILLION SPENT YET. UNTIL WE CAN COMMIT OVER THE $9.5 MILLION, THERE'S REALLY NOTHING FOR THEM TO REIMBURSE US FOR. SO RIGHT NOW I THINK WE'RE AT ROUGHLY 6.6 MILLION COMMITTED.

>> MR. CHAIRMAN, JUST ONE THING TO ADD.

WE DID RECEIVE AN AWARD FOR THE COVID-19 SUPPLEMENTAL ASSISTANCE TO FIREFIGHTERS GRANT PROGRAM. BASICALLY THAT'S $30,000 WITH 10% COMING FROM US. SO THAT WILL BE $26,000.

WE'LL HAVE TO COME UP WITH $2,600.

SO THAT WAS ALSO CAME IN. SO IT'S PART OF MY BRIEF TO THROW THAT IN THERE. THIS WILL GO TO BUY PPE.

BOTTOM LINE. >> TROY, ONE MORE QUICK QUESTION. IN TERMS OF APPLICATIONS, SOMEBODY MAKES AN APPLICATION, THEY'VE GOTTA HAVE A DRIVER'S LICENSE AND PROOF OF WHERE THEY LIVE.

IS THAT WHY YOU WOULD HAVE TO ASK FOR LIKE A MORTGAGE, LEASE

OR SOMETHING? >> WELL YOU HAVE TO HAVE -- IT'S A RENT, MORTGAGE OR UTILITY IS WHAT THE COUNTY KIND OF TARGETED THE MONEY FOR. YOU HAVE TO APPROVE YOU HAVE THOSE EXPENSES AND YOU HAVE TO PROVE THAT YOU HAD A COVID

[04:50:04]

SO I WORK AT AS A BARTENDER. SHOW ME YOU WORK THERE.

WE PROCESS YOUR APPLICATION. THE NICE PAGE OF THE BRIEF, NICE SEGUE THERE. THE TOTALS THAT WE'VE RECEIVED.

WE DID ADD A PERCENTAGE ON THERE TO SHOW YOU WHERE WE'RE PROCESSING AT AS OF THIS AFTERNOON AT 3 O'CLOCK, 18% OF THE APPLICATIONS WE RECEIVED HAVE BEEN APPROVED.

48% ARE STILL IN THE PENDING STAGE FOR US TO REVIEW THEM.

THAT KIND OF GIVES YOU AN OVERALL SYNOPSES OF WHERE WE'RE AT. ABOUT THE SAME NUMBER OF CHECKS THAT WENT OUT LAST WEEK WILL GO OUT THIS WEEK.

PROBABLY ANOTHER $500,000 GIVE OR TAKE.

CHECKS WILL BE CUT TOMORROW.

>> AND THEN I THINK THE NEXT THREE ITEMS ON THE AGENDA ARE

THE CARES ACT. >> DID YOU WANT TO QUICKLY ON THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT BUILDING UPDATE? WE HAD SENT -- KAREN AND I HAD SENT BACK TO THE BROKER I BELIEVE IT WAS FRIDAY. THE RESPONSE WE JUST RECEIVED BACK TODAY. THEIR RESPONSE.

WE'VE MOVED UP THE CLOSING TIME TO SHOW THEM THAT WE REALLY ARE COMMITTED TO IT. WE HAD INCLUDED A CLOSING DATE OF OCTOBER 15TH. WE'RE STILL GOING BACK AND FORTH ON SOME OF THE TERMS. KAREN AND I WILL GET TOGETHER TOMORROW TO BE ABLE TO RESPOND RIGHT BACK TO THEM.

BUT THAT'S WHAT 7 MILLION OF YOUR DOLLARS

>> SOMEWHERE AROUND THERE. AND THEN THE WAREHOUSE, THE APPRAISAL SHOULD BE BACK NEXT WEEK.

>> CAN WE PAVE THE ROAD ON THE WAY TO THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT?

>> I DON'T THINK THAT WOULD HAVE A CARES NEXUS, SIR.

BUSINESS APPLICATIONS. WE DID SET A LIMIT OF $2 MILLION OF NET PROCEEDS PER YEAR TO BE AN ELIGIBLE BUSINESS.

IF YOU MADE MORE THAN 2 MILLION, YOU WEREN'T ELIGIBLE.

WE'VE HAD TWO BUSINESSES SUBMIT THAT ARE SOLE PROPRIETORS, NOT SOLE PROPRIETORS, BUT THEY OWN A BUSINESS IN THE COUNTY.

IT'S THEIR MAIN BUSINESS. BUT THEY'VE HAD OVER $2 MILLION IN RECEIPTS. I JUST NEED DIRECTION ON IF YOU NEED ME TO BRING THOSE TO THE BOARD INDIVIDUALLY? IF YOU WANT THE COUNTY MANAGER TO REVIEW THOSE.

BECAUSE THEY WITH OUTSIDE OF THE INITIAL CONFINES WE SAID.

THE AUDITORS SAID WE NEED TO HAVE A PROCESS TO PREVIEW THOSE.

>> I WOULD SUGGEST THE COUNTY MANAGER REVIEW THOSE AND IF HE NEEDS US TO LOOK FORWARD, HE CAN BRING THEM TO US NEXT WEEK.

>> IS THAT ALL, TROY. >> YES, SIR, UNLESS YOU WANT ME

TO START WITH 19, 20, AND 21. >> ABSOLUTELY, GO AHEAD.

[19.  Approval of Sole Source Purchase - Negative Pressure System for Jail Cells]

>> NUMBER 19 IS THE SOLE SOURCE PURCHASE FOR SYSTEM FOR THE JAIL CELLS. THEY CURRENTLILY HAVE TWO CELLS ALREADY. WE'RE ASKING FOR SOLE SOURCE BECAUSE THIS COMPANY INSTALLED THE OTHER ONES BACK SEVERAL YEARS AGO. THEY WILL ACTUALLY HAVE AN ENGINEER ON STAFF THAT CAN DO THE CERTIFYING OF THE PLANS.

MAKING SURE THINGS DONE APPROPRIATELY.

IN THE TIMING WE HAVE WITH GETTING THIS DONE, WE FEEL THIS

IS THE BEST OPTION. >> MOVE APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER 19, WAIVER OF THE PURCHASING POLICY FOR SOLE SOURCE.

>> -- >> SECOND.

>> THEY'RE ALL CARES ACT. >> DOES THIS COME OUT OF THE

SHERIFF'S? >> THIS IS OUT OF THE SHERIFF'S.

>> ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. >> AYE.

[20.  Sole Source Purchase from Stryker]

>> OPPOSED. SO DONE.

ITEM 20. >> I'M GOING TO LET CHARLIE COME UP AND TALK ABOUT 20 AND 21. THESE ARE ALSO CARES ACT THAT WERE ALREADY IN THE BUDGET. WOOD O'BRIAN, THE FIRM, RECOMMENDED WE BRING IT TO THE BOARD TO RATIFY WITH YOU THAT

WE'RE DOING SOLE SOURCE. >> THE PURCHASE OF SEVEN STRIKER POWER LOADS. SO THIS IS THE DEVICE THAT ACTUALLY HELPS US LOAD THE STRETCHERS IN THE BACK OF THE AMBULANCE OR IN THE BACK OF OUR RESCUE UNITS.

THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WE'RE CURRENTLY PURCHASING WHEN WE'RE PURCHASING UNITS. POWER LOAD OR ASSISTED LOAD CAPABILITIES. THIS IS TO BRING OUR RESERVE UNITS AND THE THREE NEW UNITS WE'RE PURCHASING UNDER CARES.

[04:55:04]

>> SO AFTER WE GET THESE, OUR FLEET WILL BE COMPLETE?

>> YES, OUR RESCUE FLEET WILL BE COMPLETE.

WE'LL HAVE STRETCHERS IN EVERY TRUCK.

>> WE STILL NEED FIVE PEOPLE RESPOND TO AN AMBULANCE CALL?

>> YES, SIR.

>> WE HAVE TO WAIVE -- >> IT'S APPROVAL OF SOLE SOURCE.

>> MOVE APPROVAL. >> SECOND.

>> ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. >> AYE.

[21.  Stryker Cardiac Monitor Sole Source Purchase]

>> SO DONE. THANK YOU.

>> NUMBER 20 IS KIND OF ALONG THE SAME LINES.

SAME CORPORATION, STRIKER. WE PURCHASE OUR LIFE PACK 15 CARDIAC MONITORS THAT ARE ALSO CAPABLE OF DOING SOME RESPIRATORY MONITORING. LOOKING AT THAT SURGE POSSIBILITY, WE WANT TO BRING OUR RESERVE FLEET UP TO HAVE THE ABILITY TO STAFF UP. STAFFING THE MONITOR COMPONENT IS ONE OF THE WEAKNESSES OF OUR RESERVE FLEET.

THIS ALLOWS US TO BRING OUR RECEIVE FLEET FOR ALS

CAPABILITIES. >> ENGINES, RESCUES.

>> ENGINES, RESCUES. THE ENGINES, THE RESCUES, AND

SOME SUPERVISORY FUNCTION. >> THIS JUST MEANS YOU BASICALLY

HAVE GREATER REDUNDANCY ACROSS. >> THAT'S CORRECT.

>> SO WE CAN PLUG AND PLAY ALS AND RESCUE.

>> YES, SIR.

>> MOVE APPROVAL. >> SECOND.

>> ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. >> AYE.

>> SO DONE. >> THANK YOU.

[COUNTY MANAGER/CLERK OF THE BOARD]

>> DOWN TO COUNTY MANAGER. AND CLERK.

>> MR. CHAIRMAN, BOARD, I'LL BE VERY BRIEF.

I JUST WANTED TO WELCOME ABOARD AND INTRODUCE HE HAILS FROM LEE COUNTY WITH 28 YEARS IN EXPERIENCE IN LOCAL FLORIDA GOVERNMENT. HE WAS THE PRINCIPLE MANAGEMENT ANALYST IN LEE COUNTY. HE ALSO HAD THREE YEARS OF GOVERNMENT EXPERIENCE IN NEW YORK.

HE'S MARRIED, HAS FOUR GROWN CHILDREN.

HE RELOCATED TO FLEMING ISLAND. HE HAS A MASTERS IN POLICY AND ANALYSIS, PUBLIC MANAGEMENT FROM SUNNI STONEYBROOK.

WELCOME ABOARD, REJ. >> STEP UP TO THE MIC, YOUNG

MAN. >> TAKE THAT MASK OFF.

NOW WE'RE TALKING. >> LET'S SEE WHO IS MAKING OFF

WITH OUR MONEY HERE. >> SUBSECTION PARAGRAPH 2-0.

>> WE'RE NOT THERE YET. >> WELCOME.

>> YOU'RE LIVING IN THE COUNTY? >> YEAH, I JUST GOT MY APARTMENT

LAST WEEK. >> HOWARD HAS BEEN TALKING ABOUT LAST WEEK ALL THE WORK HE'S GOING TO DUMP ON YOU ON THE FIRST DAY. HAVE YOU RECEIVED IT YET?

>> I'VE GOT PLENTY OF HOMEWORK. I'VE GOTTA STUDY.

>> GLAD TO HAVE YOU. >> YOU'RE WORKING FOR A BUNCH OF GOOD FOLKS. GLAD TO HAVE YOU WITH US.

>>THANKS FOR COMING.

>> THAT'S IT. >> IS THAT IT?

[COUNTY ATTORNEY]

>> YES, SIR. >> COUNTY ATTORNEY.

>> YES. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE IT'S ON YOUR RADAR AND THAT YOU REMEMBER YOUR NEXT BOARD MEETING ON AUGUST 25TH, YOU WILL HAVE COMING BEFORE YOU THE SUBDIVISION MSBU THAT HAS SEVEN SUBDIVISIONS.

ALL THE NOTICES HAVE ALREADY GONE OUT.

AND THE NOTICE HAS BEEN PUBLISHED.

SO THERE ARE SEVEN DIFFERENT BUILDERS.

WHO RECEIVE NUMEROUS NOTICES BECAUSE THEY STILL OWN A LOT OF THE LOTS IN THE SUB DIVISION. AND THEN THERE WERE 50 OR SO INDIVIDUALS THAT RECEIVED THE NOTICE.

>> THAT ALSO DID NOT GO UNNOTICE AT THE LAST MEETING.

>> BUT THE BUILDERS HAVE HAD PLENTY OF NOTICE.

BUT THAT WILL BE COMING BEFORE YOU AT YOUR NEXT BOARD MEETING.

ALSO OUR FINANCE AND AUDIT COMMITTEE MEETING NEXT WEEK IS ON WEDNESDAY INSTEAD OF TUESDAY. AND LASTLY, JAMES AND I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE YOU WERE AWARE THAT FOR THE CAMP CHILD POOL, EVEN THOUGH WE EXTENDED THE CONTRACT TO PROVIDE IT FOR DAYTIME SWIMMING, THAT WILL STILL BE OPEN TO THE WEEKENDS THROUGH THE END OF SEPTEMBER. THE CONTRACT STILL COVERS THAT.

IT JUST WASN'T PART OF THE AMENDMENT.

>> AND WE'RE MEETING HERE AT NOON FRIDAY.

>> YES, A SPECIAL MEETING ON FRIDAY.

>> MY APOLOGIES ON THAT. SPECIAL MEETING FOR SELECTION PUBLIC QUESTIONS. NOON FRIDAY.

>> AND I HAVE DRILL BUT IT'S AT -- I'M EITHER GOING TO CALL IN

OR SLIP BACK OR SOMETHING. >> OKAY.

[LETTERS FOR ACTION]

MR. COLEMAN'S TERM ON THE HOUSING AUTHORITY EXPIRED.

APPLICATION REAPPOINTMENT. >> YES, TERESA ASKED IF I WOULD HANDLE THAT FOR HER SO SHE DIDN'T HAVE TO COME AT 9 O'CLOCK

[05:00:05]

MRS. COLEMAN HAS SERVED FOR QUITE SOME TIME ON THE BOARD.

SHE FILLS THEIR SPOT. THEY HAVE TO HAVE SOMEONE THAT'S INVOLVED IN THE INSURANCE INDUSTRY.

THAT'S HER OCCUPATION. I BELIEVE SHE'S WITH STATE FARM.

AND SHE'S A BELOVED MEMBER AND THEY WOULD LIKE FOR HER TO CONTINUE. BUT SHE JUST NEEDS TO BE

REAPPOINTED FOR FOUR YEARS. >> MOVE APPROVAL.

OR APPOINTMENT. WHATEVER.

>> SECOND. >> SECOND.

>> ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. >> AYE.

>> SO DONE. VERY GOOD.

DOWN TO PUBLIC COMMENTS.

[PUBLIC COMMENTS]

>> ESTRADA.

>> YES, SIR. CAN YOU HEAR ME?

>> SPEAK UP A LITTLE BIT, SIR. >> CAN YOU HEAR ME, SIR? YES, SIR. CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? AGAIN, AT THE OPENING DAY OF THE CARES ACT I FILED $1,000 SELF-EMPLOYED. SO I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU'RE GOING TO FILE THAT. I FILED OPENING DAY OF THE BUSINESS. I'VE HAD MY BUSINESS REGISTERED FOR 18 YEARS. I'D LIKE TO SAY YES TO TRUMP.

NO TO THE FOOTBALL. I WANT TO HEAR ABOUT THE EVENT OF THE BIKING. DID THAT EVER COME THROUGH? WE NEED TO LOOK AT THINGS LIKE TENNIS AND OTHER HEALTHY THINGS FOR OTHER PEOPLE TO DO. I'D LIKE TO YOU REMEMBER TO SHUTDOWN OF THE GOVERNMENT, THE BIG CLOCK.

A LOT OF JOBS WERE GONE AFTER 2012.

PARDON ME. THERE'S A LOT OF DRIVING AND COMPUTER TAKING OVER. PARDON ME.

SO, SORRY. I PUT YOU ON MUTE THERE FOR A MINUTE. WE JUST NEED TO LOOK AT THEY'RE JUST RESTRUCTURING EVERYTHING NOW.

A LOT OF LOW END JOBS ARE GOING TO BE GOING.

I'VE BEEN HEARING A WHOLE LOT ABOUT THAT IN THE PRESENTATION TODAY. THE MONEY IS LIMITED.

STATEMENT FOR CLAY COUNTY, WE NEED TO FIX OUR OFFICERS TO WEAR CAM RECORDERS. AND THEY'RE WORKING ON FLOPPY DISCS. REMEMBER SLOW GROWTH IS BETTER.

FOOTBALL HAS FRAGMENTED CITIZENS.

THAT'S THE PERFECT WORDING FOR IT.

OTHERS AND SCHOOLS, FOOTBALL IS A CHILD ABUSE.

REMOVE IT. WE DON'T NEED TO SUPPORT IT.

WE NEED TO SUPPORT CAMP C CHAWIMWA, THE POOL, THE YMCA, THE ANIMAL SHELTER, FARMS IS ALL GOOD.

IF YOU CAN'T AFFORD TO GET THERE, THEN YOU REALLY CAN'T AFFORD THE ANIMAL ANYWAY. CITIZEN HOUSING.

WE'D RATHER HAVE THAT THAN NEW PIT BULL SHELTER.

MINING WAS TALKED ABOUT. THAT'S BAD.

IT'S GOOD FOR A FEW IN CLAY COUNTY.

BUT OUR AQUIFERS NEED TO BE KEPT INTO MIND, PLEASE.

IT'S BETTER TO PUT A DUMP IN NORTHWEST CORNER HAVE CLAY COUNTY. YOU CAN TAKE THE DIRT FROM THAT AND SELL IT TO THE ROAD 23 THAT THEY'RE BUILDING.

I'D ASK YOU TO LOOK AT -- >> THANK YOU, MR. ESTADDA, YOUR TIME IS UP. YOU HAVE A GOOD WEEK.

CHECK IN WITH US AGAIN NEXT TIME.

COMMISSIONER BOLA. >> I'M READY FOR DINNER.

>> COMMISSIONER ROLLINGS. >> MISS SALA.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.