Aug 04, 2020 Planning Commission

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>> GOOD EVENING. WE WILL CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER.

WE WOULD LIKE TO WELCOME YOU TO THE CLAY COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING OF AUGUST 4.

AT THIS TIME, PLEASE SIMOS ALL CELL PHONES. IF YOU NEED TO TAKE OR MAKE A CALL, WE ASK YOU TO PLEASE GO OUT INTO THE VESTIBULE TO DO SO.

[Pledge of Allegiance]

LEAD US IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE >> I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION, UNDER GOD,

INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. >> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER.

GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE. I AM MICHAEL BOURRE. I'M THE CHAIRMAN AND I'M GOING TO GO THROUGH SOME INTRODUCTIONS. WE ARE KIND OF SPREAD OUT DIFFERENT THAN WE NORMALLY ARE. UTILIZING SOCIAL DISTANCING WHICH IS WHY I DON'T HAVE MY MESCLUN RIGHT NOW. IF YOU WILL BEAR WITH ME, PLEASE.

POUR RECORDING SECRETARY IS KELLIE COLLINS AND I BELIEVE SHE'S OUT FRONT TAKING TEMPERATURE AS WE HAVE OUR SCHOOLWORK REPRESENTATIVE, JIM FOSSA RIGHT THERE ALSO NEW AS JIM FOSSA. BILL GARRISON ON THE FAR LEFT. VICE CHAIRMAN RALPH PUCKHABER TO MY RIGHT, COMMISSIONER JOE ANZALONE. COMMISSIONER RICHMOND, I BELIEVE, IS ON CALL IN. CAN YOU CONFIRM? WE WILL KEEP MOVING FORWARD.

COMMISSIONER BO NORTON IS ALSO COMING IN PFM. ARE YOU THERE?

>> I AM. >> THANK YOU, SIR. WE HAVE OUR CLAY COUNTY PLANNING AND ZONING DIRECTOR ED LEHMAN IN THE FRONT. OUR COUNTY ATTORNEY COURTNEY ROOM. OUR CAMP BLANDING REPRESENTATIVE.

I THOUGHT I SAW HIM WALK IN. I APOLOGIZE. LIEUTENANT COLONEL BRIAN LEONARD IS ONLINE WITH US. CHIEF OF ZONING CHAD WILLIAMS. CHIEF PLANNER CAROLYN MORGAN.

I BELIEVE I SAW OUR COUNTY MANAGER HERE HOWARD WANAMAKER. I DON'T SEE IN THE SECOND BUT HE WAS HERE A MOMENT AGO. ALSO WE HAVE TROY NAGEL WHO IS OUR IT AND HE WILL MAKE SURE WE RUN THIS PROPERLY. I ALWAYS WANT TO RECOGNIZE OFFICER DAVIS IN THE BACK IS KEEPING US SAFE AND COVID FREE. WITH THAT, HAVE I MISSED ANY Ã I'M SORRY.

ALSO, WE HAVE A NEW COMMISSIONER AND THAT'S WHY IT'S NOT ALL MY SCRIPTS.

WE HAVE A NEW COMMISSIONER JOINING US, SOMEONE WE KNOW VERY WELL.

HE'S HER A LOT AND THIS IS HIS FIRST EVENING WITH US. COMMISSIONER PETE DAVIS.HANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT. WITH THAT, I THINK I'VE GOT ALL THE ENTRAILS DONE.

THE CLAY COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION IS AN ADVISORY BOARD TO THE CLAY COUNTY BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS. THE DECISIONS MADE BY THIS BOARD ARE ONLY RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE BCC WHO WILL HAVE THE FINAL SAY ON THESE TOPICS. THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT MEETINGS WE WILL HAVE. ITEMS NUMBER 11 AND ITEM NUMBER THREE ON THE AGENDA WILL BE HEARD ON AUGUST 11. AND ITEMS NUMBER TWO, FOUR, AND FIVE WILL BE HEARD AUGUST 25.

PLEASE REMEMBER THAT FOR ZONING ISSUES, BUT FOR THE ZONING ISSUES BEING HEARD TONIGHT ISSUES SUCH AS TRAFFIC, DRAINAGE, WETLANDS, AND ACCESS ARE NOT PERTINENT TO THE DISCUSSIONS ON WHETHER TO APPROVE THE REZONING. IF THERE IS A SPECIFIC ITEM ON THE AGENDA YOU WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON, PLEASE FILL OUT ONE OF THE COMMON CARDS THAT LOOK LIKE THESE THAT YOU WILL FIND PIN THE BACK VESTIBULE. THE PUBLIC ÃONCE YOU FILL THAT PUBLIC COMMENT CARD OUT, IF YOU WILL BRING IT UP TO KELLY, THE RECORDING SECRETARY SO SHE CAN GET IT TO US SO WE CAN ADDRESS YOU AT THAT TIME. PUBLIC COMMENT PERIODS AT THE BEGINNING AND END OF THE MEETING PART FOR ANYTHING YOU WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON.

OTHER THAN THE ITEMS THAT ARE ON THE PUBLIC HEARING AGENDA FOR THIS MEETING.

YOU WILL HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK. WHEN THE RED LIGHT GOES ON, YOUR TIME HAS EXPIRED. BY A SHOW OF HANDS, HOW MANY FOLKS ARE ATTENDING THEIR FIRST MEETING. WELCOME.WE LOVE TO HAVE OUR FELLOW CLAY COUNTY CITIZENS HERE WITH US. WHAT THAT LAST SENTENCE MEAN IS THERE IS A TIMER ON THE TABLE.

IF YOU WILL COME UP TO SPEAK YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO GIVE THE TALK YOU WANT TO.

IT'S NOT TO ASK QUESTIONS, IT'S TO SHARE YOUR THOUGHTS AND THERE WILL BE A GREEN LIGHT, A

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I WILL ASK YOU AT THE TIME TO PLEASE RETURN BACK TO YOUR SEAT.

HAVE I MISSED ANYTHING, RALPH? WITH THAT, WE ARE GOING TO ASK FOR AN APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES.

[1.  Approval of Minutes]

WANT TO ASK FOR A ROLL CALL VOTE WITH THE MEMBERS ONLINE. >> VERY GOOD.

LET'S ASK FOR BO AND MARY AND RYAN. SO LET'S ASK FOR BO AND MARY

BECAUSE WE COULD NOT HEAR MARY BEFORE. >> BO, WAS THAT A YES OR A NO?

>> YES >> MARY? MARY, ARE YOU THERE?

>> SHE SAYS SHE CAN HEAR US >> IS THE CHAT BOX CLOSE CHAT YES OR NO? MARY, IF YOU CAN HEAR ME, IF YOU CAN'T ENTER INTO THE CHAT BOX WHETHER YOU APPROVE OR DENY THE MEETING MINUTES. TROY, IF YOU WILL LET ME KNOW WHEN SHE ANSWERS.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. PLEASE BEAR WITH US, THIS IS AN EVER FLOWING EETING WITH THE NEW STANDARDS WE HAVE TO ADHERE TO DISTANCE AND MASKS AND NOW

[Public Comment]

AT THIS TIME I WILL OPEN THE FIRST PUBLIC COMMENT. COULD YOU HAVE ANY ITEMS YOU WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON AND WAS ON HIS AGENDA PLEASE COME FORWARD.

WE WILL NEED THE NAME AND ADDRESS BEFORE YOU START TO SPEAK.

>> JAMES. THANK ÃI DON'T THINK YOU HAVE TO GIVE AN ADDRESS BUT IS 2904 BLANDING BOULEVARD HIGHWAY 21. IT'S GOOD TO SEE THE. MR. PUCKHABER CAN I HAVE A REAL ISSUE WITH COMING TO A MEETING AND BEING ABLE TO CALL IN. PARKING OUTSIDE AND CALLING IT BUT LATER THAT NIGHT WE WERE REFUSED TO BE ABLE TO MAKE A COMMENT TO THE CITIZEN BOARD.

I'VE GOT A REAL PROBLEM WITH THAT. THE GOVERNOR SAID INSTEAD OF REFUSING OUR PUBLIC COMMENT. SO I THINK THAT'S BAD LEADERSHIP AND WE NEED IT TO BE RUNNING PROPER. THERE WAS A QUOTE I HEARD EARLIER.

SO THERE WAS A ZERO PERCENT ORDINANCE IN CLAY COUNTY AND WE HAVE FOLKS THAT WERE TRYING TO GET INTO OFFICE THAT SHOULD NOT BE THERE AND THEY STOOD UP AGAINST OUR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS. THAT WAS AT ZERO PERCENT, OUR ATTORNEY WAS HIRED CLAY COUNTY CONSTITUTIONAL ATTORNEYS SAID YOU CAN'T DO IT AND IT WAS JUST FOUGHT AND FOUGHT AND FOUGHT SO I HOPE WE DON'T HAVE ANY MORE OF THAT TYPE OF LEADERSHIP HERE.

KICKING PEOPLE, CITIZENS, IS A LOT OF BACK AND FORTH. HE WAS ASKED OVER AND OVER AGAIN TO GET STUFF AT THE LAST MINUTE AND AT THE LAST MEETING HE WAS GIVEN STUFF THE LAST MINUTE. AGAIN, THIS IS A CITIZEN BOARDS YOU ARE APPOINTED BY THE BOARD

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HOW CAN YOU NOT TALK ABOUT DRAINAGE IN CLAY COUNTY AFTER YOU GUYS HAVE BUILT AND BUILT AND BUILT. AND I ONLY HOPE WE CAN GET AWAY FROM THE BUILDERS AND LANDOWNERS SITTING ON OUR BOARD THAT GIVE MORE TO THE OTHER FOLKS IN THE COMMUNITY.

AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW HOW THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS CAN VOTE ON SOMETHING WHEN THEY ARE GETTING STIFF HANDED BY THE ATTORNEY FOR THE COUNTY MANAGER AT THE LAST MINUTE.

HOW ÃHIS HANDS ARE GETTING FORCED TO ON SOMETHING AND IS NOT GETTING THE INFORMATION ON

TIME. >> IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE WOULD LIKE TO COME UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? SEEING NONE WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT.

[1.  Public Hearing To Consider Rezoning Application Z-20-06 BA-2 To BB-3]

THANK YOU. >> EXCUSE ME ONE SECOND BEFORE WE START THAT.

I DID WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT WE HAVE ANOTHER MEMBER HERE THAT JUST JOINED US AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE TITLE RIGHT. OUR DIRECTOR OF ECONOMIC AND DEVELOPMENT SERVICES CHEREESE STEWART HAS JOINED US. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.

I DON'T WANT TO GET IN TROUBLE. >> THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION AS APPLICANT Z28 06. THE PARCEL IS APPROXIMATELY 2.55 ACRES LOCATED WITHIN THE COMMERCIAL FUTURE LAND USE CATEGORY. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING CHANGE IN ZONING IN ORDER TO DEVELOP THE PROPERTY FOR AUTO TOWING BUSINESS.

THE ZONINGS ARE TO THE NORTH BA-2 AND PA. TO THE SOUTH, BA-2 AND TO THE WEST AR. THIS IS AN AERIAL VIEW OF THE SITE JUST A COUPLE OF PHOTOGRAPHS. STAFF HAS REVIEWED THE APPLICATION AND IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING AREA AND THEY RECOMMEND SOUTH THEY RECOMMEND [INDISCERNIBLE]

>> ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OR STAFF AT THIS TIME FOR MANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS? OKAY. IS THE APPLICANT HERE? IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO COME UP, AND WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE YOUR PRESENTATION IF YOU ARE READY, SIR.

AGAIN, PLEASE PROVIDE YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS >> I AM FREEMAN BROOKS.

I LIVE AT 3593 WESTOVER RD., FLEMING ISLAND. I AM THE OWNER OF THIS PROPERTY AND I'VE HAD FOR SEVERAL YEARS, AND I HAVE SOMEONE THAT WANTS TO LEASE IT AND PUT A WRECKER

AND RECOVERY LOT AND AUTO SALES ON IT. >> IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE YOU

WOULD LIKE TO ACT? >> NOT LESS ANYTHING THAT ANYBODY HAS A QUESTION.

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>> HIM IN THE SAME? THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU MOVE ME.

ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH THE CLAY HILL OVERLAY PLAN? I NOTICED IN THE NOTES FROM STAFF THAT THE APPLICANT WAS ADVISED HE WOULD HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THE CLAY HERE OVERLAY PLAN. SO IT'S AN INTERESTING POSITION THAT STAFF HAS ADVISED YOU THAT YOU HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THIS PLAN BUT YOU ARE NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE PLAN.

SOME LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT QUICK SUITABLY RECENTLY ADVISED.

I BELIEVE HE SAID IT WOULD BE SUBJECT TO. WE WILL SHARE THAT WITH MR.

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>> I DO HAVE A QUESTION NOT SO MUCH FOR THE APPLICANT BUT HE POINTS OUT PRODUCT, AND IT MAY NOT EVEN APPLY TO THIS PARCEL, BUT IF THERE IS ANY BUSINESS TO THE ZONING CHANGE AND ALL, ARE

THEY REQUIRED UPDATED FEATURES OR ANYTHING ON THAT BUILDING? >> IF THEY ARE ÃIT'S AN INCONSISTENT USE, IF THE IS CHANGES FOR IF THE BUILDING HAS NOT BEEN OCCUPIED FOR A PERIOD OF SIX MONTHS, THE SITE HAS THE COMPLIANCE WITH CERTAIN CODE. IF THE USE DOES NOT CHANGE, THEN THERE WOULD BE ABLE TO FUNCTION REAOT SEE WHERE WE WOULD BE IN A SITUATION BECAUSE WE ARE CHANGING THE ZONING THAT THE USE WILL NOT CHANGE.

>> OKAY. AND ACTUALLY THE QUESTION FOR MY FELLOW COMMISSIONER.

DO YOU KNOW ON THIS PROPERTY IF THEY ARE GOING TO DO AUTO SALES, ARE THEY GOING TO HAVE TO PUT UP AN OFFICE BUILDING? CAN THEY BRING IN A TRAILER OFFICE

>> TRAILER OFFICE I DO NOT BELIEVE I CAN MEET THE STANDARDS THAT THEY WOULD HAVE

TO MEET. >> OKAY. GOOD.

>> THANK YOU. >> AT THIS TIME WE ARE GOING TO OPEN UP THE PUBLIC COMMENT AFTER MR. LEHMAN DOES A QUICK SANITATION ON THE COUNTERTOP. WE WILL START WITH THE NOTECARDS WE HAVE RECEIVED WE WILL START WITH MISS NANCY PADGETT.

>> GOOD EVENING. >> PLEASE PROVIDE YOUR FULL NAME AND ADDRESS

>> NANCY PADGETT, 5047, COUNTY ROAD 218. WE ARE JUST ADJACENT TO THIS PROPERTY. THE REZONING OF THIS PROPERTY FROM BB-2 TO BB-3 IS UNACCEPTABLE, IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. THERE ARE NO BUSINESSES IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD UNTIL YOU CROSS OVER MALLARD ROAD WHERE THERE ARE TWO GAS STATIONS.

THE ONE EXCEPTION TO THIS RULE IS WE HAVE A DOLLAR GENERAL ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE ROAD FROM THE SCHOOLS. AND THAT IS AN ASSET TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

WE ALSO HAVE TWO CHURCHES WHICH ARE ALSO AN ASSET TO OUR COMMUNITY.

AND WE ALSO KNOW THAT IF THIS ZONING GOES THROUGH, OUR HOMES IN THIS AREA WILL DECREASE IN VALUE. AND WE DO NOT WANT THIS TO HAPPEN.

WE ALSO NEED TO THINK OF OUR CHILDREN AND OUR COMMUNITY. WE HAVE AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL AND A JUNIOR HIGH SCHOOL WITHIN ABOUT 400 FEET OF THIS SAID PROPERTY THAT IS SEEKING REZONING. MANY OF OUR CHILDREN USE THE SIDEWALK GOING TO AND FROM SCHOOL. THE TRAFFIC GOING IN AND OUT AND OVER THE SIDEWALK IS DANGEROUS FOR THESE CHILDREN. AND JUST TO CLARIFY ABOUT THE BUSINESSES, WE DO NOT HAVE AN HOUR COMMUNITY, A DOLLAR GENERAL IS ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE ROAD WHERE THERE ARE NO SIDEWALKS FOR THE CHILDREN. THEREFORE, IT DOES NOT AFFECT THE CHILDREN'S WALKED TO SCHOOL. WE HOPE THAT THE BOARD WILL TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THE ABOVE REASONS AND NOT ALLOW THE CHANGE IN ZONING FROM BB-2 TO BB-3.

>> OUR NEXT CARD IS FROM EDWARD STITH I THINK IS HOW YOU PLAN SET.

>> I AM SEVERANCE WITH I AM THE LEAD PASTOR AT 5040 COUNTY RD. 218 AND LITTLE BROTHER.

JUST LEARNING ABOUT THIS REZONING HERE AND READING IT AND JUST KNOWING THE STRUGGLES THAT ARE IN THE COMMUNITY THERE WITH DRUGS AND ALCOHOL, WITH SPLIT FAMILIES WITH OUR CHURCH THERE SO FAR THIS YEAR WE HAVE ALREADY HELPED OVER 18,000 FAMILY MEMBERS THERE END COMMUNITY WITH FOOD. THIS YEAR ALONE. OVER 6000 FAMILIES.

WITH THAT THEY ARE, WITH THE REZONING AND THAT FUTURE LEASING OF THIS PROPERTY OPENS IT UP TO BRINGING OTHER THINGS INTO THE COMMUNITY, IT'S NOT GOING TO HELP THE COMMUNITY TO GROW AND MOVE FORWARD BUT IS GOING TO ENABLE TO BRING OTHER AVENUES AND THINGS THAT CAN COME IN AND CAUSE NEW STRUGGLES FOR THE COMMUNITY. AS A PASTOR IN THIS COMMUNITY I WANT TO SEE IT GROW AND I WANT TO SEE BUSINESSES COME INTO THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE WE NEED

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SO REZONING IS JUST GOING TO OPEN UP SOME OF THE OTHER OPPORTUNITIES I DON'T THINK IS

HEALTHY FOR CLAY HILL AND MIDDLEBURG IN THAT AREA. >> MR. CHAIR, I NORMALLY PWOULDN'T ASK BUT CLAIM WE CLARIFY, ARE YOU THE PASTOR OF THE CHURCH IS NEXT DOOR TO THIS

PROPERTY? >> NO, SIR. I AM ACROSS THE STREET FROM

WILKERSON JUNIOR HIGH ON THE CORNER OFFREEDOM AND TO 18. >> OKAY.

THANK YOU. >> OUR NEXT CARD IS FROM WILBURN PADGETT.

DID I SAY THAT RIGHT? MR. PADGETT? >> WILBURN PADGETT, 5047 COUNTY RD. 218. THE ZONING WE HAVE OUT THERE NOW IS NOT THAT WE CAN STAY WITH THAT BUT THIS NEW ZONING THEY WANT TO GET, THIS HAS A LOT OF STUFF IN IT AND I PERSONALLY DON'T WANT FIND MY PLACE BUT THERE IS A LOT OF STUFF IDON'T SEE WHERE IT HELPS TO COUNT ÃTHE COUNTY AT ALL. IT'S GOT POSSIBILITIES OF ROUGHER STUFF BEING BUILT AND WHAT THEY ARE ASKING FOR. HIS WANTING A TELLING THING IN A CAR LOT AND ALL THAT. ONLY THE RECEIVED AS THEY START STORING THE OLD TOES ÃTOAD CARS IN THE BACK TO ME OF A JUNKYARD. PERSONALLY IS GOING TO HURT MY PERSONAL PROPERTY PRICES AND SHE SPENT HER LIFE SAVINGS TO BUY A HOME.

HER PLACE IS GOING TO BE WORTH NOTHING. NOBODY WILL WANT TO BUY A PLACE BY A JUNKYARD OR ANYTHING ELSE THAT'S CALLED FOR IN THIS. AND I DON'T SEE WHERE TRAFFIC COMING IN AND OUT LIKE YOU SAID BEFORE IS GOING TO HELP US WITH THE KIDS UP AND DOWN THE SIDEWALKS AND ALL. SO I DON'T WANT THE ZONING AND I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO

HELP US TO HAVE IT. >> THANK YOU, MR. PADGETT. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD

LIKE TO COME UP AND SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? >> JAMES AUTO I HEARD SOMETHING ABOUT FLEMING ISLAND HEARD SOMETHING ABOUT 218 SO MAYBE HE'S FROM FLEMING ISLAND ARE WE TALKING ABOUT MIDDLEBURG OR FLEMING ISLAND? CAN YOU CLARIFY?

>> IF YOU HAVE A COMMENT, THIS IS A PUBLIC COMMENT SO PLEASE MAKE YOUR COMMENTS

>> I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND MUCH WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT. MAYBE IN FLEMING ISLAND ÃLET ME START WITH THIS. YOU KNOW, I'D BE GLAD TO SEE AN AUTO PARTS STORE IN FLEMING ISLAND. I DON'T KNOW WHY THEY CAN'T SAY SOMEONE CAN HAVE AN AUTO PARTS STORE THERE AND THEN TRAFFIC ISSUES, I LOOK AT THAT. I'M NOT REALLY SURE IF THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT 218 OR ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE COUNTY, BUT FROM A LOT OF WHAT THEY WERE TALKING IT SOUNDED LIKE TO 18. I KNOW MR. GARRISON, I THINK WAS IN CHARGE OF THAT DOLLAR STORE THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT OUT THERE BY WILKERSON. I THINK HE WAS TALKING.

I'M NOT SURE. WAS THAT NOT YOU AND CLAY HILL? I JUST KNOW YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT THIS COOKIE CUTTERS AND ALL OF A SUDDEN THE DOLLAR STORE WENT UP AFTER THE BP.

SO I'M FAMILIAR WITH IT. SO YOU GUYS APPROVED ANOTHER STORAGE FOR RVS RIGHT ACROSS FROM THE LIBRARY CROSS FROM THERE IS STUFF AND I WAS WATCHING THEM ON THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS. I AM DEFINITELY FOR GETTING THE SIDEWALKS OUT THERE LIKE THEY WERE TALKING, DOLLAR STORE ON THE OTHER SIDE LIKE IT CROSSES IN THE PARK WHERE THE PUBLIC HOUSING IS ON THE OTHER SIDE, YOU GET DOWN ON 218 AND THEY CAN'T GET A CROSS OVER BY THEIR FIRST PUBLIC HOUSING OVER THERE AND YOU CAN'T EVEN WALK TO THE STORE'S TALKING ABOUT GETTING THOSE TRIPS DOWN, THERE'S TRIP NUMBERS. SO MIDDLEBURG BAPTIST IS ON 218, TWO ALL THOSE SCHOOLS, THOSE PORTABLE SCHOOLS ARE SUPPOSED TO GET GOING, SO WHEN ARE WE GOING TO START SEEING THINGS DONE RIGHT AROUND HERE? THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO HAVE A ROPE GOING TO 218 ÃMR. OTTO PLAYS A PERTINENT. YOU ARE USING A SHOTGUN

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APPROACH TO NARROW IT DOWN >> I ASKED YOU A QUESTION YOU COULDN'T TELL ME WHAT PART OF THE TOWN THIS ITEM WAS ON BECAUSE I SAID I HEARD TWO DIFFERENT THINGS TO DIFFERENT PEOPLE. I HEARD FLEMING ISLAND AND I HEARD 218.

ALL THIS STUFF ON 218 IS IMPACTED BY WHAT YOU ARE DOING. I HAVE PROPERTY THEY ARE TRYING TO SAY, I UNDERSTAND WE HAVE A RED LIGHT. WE PRESENT THEM?

>> MR. OTTO, WOULD YOU PLEASE ATTEND >> ALL RIGHT, CITIZENS.

THANK YOU. IF THERE'S ANOTHER PUBLIC COMMENT LEFT.

WE COULD HAVE YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS. I AM ANGELA UNDERWENT 5.50 MIDDLEBURG FLORIDA THE AERIAL VIEW DID NOT GIVE A REALLY GOOD REPRESENTATION OF WHAT'S AROUND. THE PARCEL YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT.

YOU'VE BEEN OUT THERE THERE IS A HOUSE ON ONE SIDE, THERE IS A HOUSE MINDED, THERE IS A CHURCH BESIDE IT, THERE IS A HOUSE APPROXIMATE AND THERE IS A CHURCH.

WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT A BUNCH OF WOOD. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE BECAUSE MY HOMES, PEOPLE'S PLACE OF WORSHIP. I TEACH AT THE COUNTRY SCHOOL.

I KNOW HOW MANY I CAN WALK PAST HIS WRIST, WALKED DOWN THE SIDEWALKS AND THERE IS A MAJOR ROAD THESE KIDS COME FROM MAY HAVE TO WALK A MILE FROM THE HOUSE BECAUSE BUSES CAN'T GO THAT WAY. I UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT THERE IS A LOT OF KIDS WERE WALKING WITHOUT AN ADULT, WITHOUT A TEENAGER BY THEMSELVES OR IN GROUPS OF TWO OR THREE. THE ONES TALKING ABOUT CARS AND TRUCKS AND ALL OF THESE THINGS GOING OVER ACROSS THE SIDEWALK IS VERY DANGEROUS. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE TRUCKS. THE KIND THAT MY KINDERGARTNERS ARE GOING TO LOVE CHILDREN NOT TO. THE POSSIBILITY OF THEM GETTING HURT IS EXTREMELY VAGUE.

PLEASE TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THAT THIS IS A SIDEWALK THAT THE KIDS USE TWICE A DAY WITHOUT ADULTS WE NEED IT TO BE SAFE FOR THEM. THANK YOU.

>> ARE THERE ANY OTHER FOLKS WERE PUBLIC COMMENT? SEEING NONE, WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT AND BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMISSION BOARD DISCUSSION.

CAN I ASK STAFF A QUESTION? CHAD UNDER THE EXISTING ZONING ÃZONING BA2 I DON'T HAVE THAT WITH ME, GIVE ME A QUICK SUMMARY. THAT'S PROFESSIONAL

>> COMMERCIAL AND PROFESSIONAL OFFICES OF THE LIMITATION OF 2500 SQUARE FEET AND THAT'S ABOUT IT FOR THAT ZONING DISTRICT OTHER THAN A FEW CONDITIONAL USES.

IT'S A LEASE INTENSIVE COMMERCIAL DISTRICT. >> NO CONVENIENCE STORES IT'S ALL MAINLY JUST LIKE THE DOCTORS OFFICE, LAWYERS OFFICE, REAL ESTATE, THAT KIND OF THING

OKAY. THANK YOU. >> STAFF IS RECOMMENDED APPROVAL. AT OUR THIRD REPORT MEETING. PIS IT APPROPRIATE TO ASK YOU T KIND OF EXPLAIN THAT? THE THOUGHT PROCESS YOU WENT THROUGH OR YOU WILL WITH YOU?

>> ABSOLUTELY. WHEN WE LOOK AT A REZONING APPLICATION WE HAVE TWO THINGS TO CONSIDER. WE CAN CONSIDER DRAINAGE OR THE IMPACT.

WHAT WE LOOK FOR IS CONSISTENCY WITH THE COMP PLAN WHICH IN THIS CASE IS CONSISTENT WITH A LAND-USE THAT HAS BEEN GRANTED AND COMPATIBILITY WITH SURROUNDING AREA.

AND IF YOU DON'T TAKE THE SCOPE OUT A LITTLE FURTHER, AND JUST SIT NEXT TO NEIGHBORS, THERE IS BB-8 AND B3 [INDISCERNIBLE] [INDISCERNIBLE] FROM THAT STANDPOINT PAIN ON A MAJOR COLLECTIVE REFERENCE FOR OUR STANDPOINT IT MEETS AT STRAIGHTFACED TEST AS FAR AS

COMPATIBILITY. >> THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE THAT.

>> I DID HAVE A QUESTION AND I AM TRYING TO REMEMBER WHO ASKED THAT.

IT MAY HAVE BEEN MR. PADGETT. ABOUT A JUNKYARD. COULD YOU TALK TO US ABOUT WHAT THE COUNTY WOULD ALLOW AS FAR AS LONG-TERM STORAGE OF VEHICLES?

>> I CAN TELL YOU A LONG-TERM STORAGE WOULD BECOME A CODE ENFORCEMENT ISSUE.

GENERALLY MY KNOWLEDGE OF THE IS OPERATIONS IS GENERALLY PEOPLE GET TOWED IN FOR WHATEVER REASON AND I MISS IT THERE FOR INSURANCE PURPOSES AND IN TURN RIGHT BACK AROUND.

IF THERE IS ACONSISTENT VEHICLE HAT'S BEEN THERE X AMOUNT OF DAYS AND IT'S NOT TAG OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT THAT'S A CODE ENFORCEMENT MANNER AND THEY CAN'T STOCKPILE CARS THERE

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FOR A LONG DURATION OF TIME. >> I HAD ANOTHER QUESTION ALONG THOSE LINES BECAUSE I WANTED THAT SAME QUESTION ANSWERED, HOW DO YOU STOP IT FROM BEING A JUNKYARD.

>> QUITE HONESTLY WE HAVE TO RELY ON THE CITIZENRY TO TURN IN THAT CODE ENFORCEMENT ACTION BECAUSE QUITE FRANKLY WE DON'T DRIVE EITHER EVERY DAY SO WE ARE GOING TO SEE IT.

I'M PRETTY SURE IF THAT WERE TO HAPPEN WE WOULD HAVE FOLKS CALL US AND LET US KNOW

>> I HAVE ONE OTHER QUESTION I NEEDED CLARIFICATION ON. WE HAD BUFFERING REQUIREMENTS.

UNFORTUNATELY, I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF HOUSES IN THIS AREA I PRINTED THIS OUT. KNOW YOU DON'T HAE IT. I DID IT FOR MYSELF. BUT MOST OF THESE HOUSES LOOK LIKE THEY ARE SITTING ON COMMERCIAL LAND USE. SO EVEN THOUGH ÃLIKE THE NEXT-DOOR NEIGHBOR, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT ÃIT'S ON COMMERCIAL LAND USE BUT HAS A HOUSE THERE. IS THIS BUSINESS REQUIRED TO BUFFER TO THEM BECAUSE IT'S RESIDENTIAL OR DOES THE FACT IT'S COMMERCIAL LAND USE WITH BUSINESS ZONING LIKE APA TO

NEEDS NO BUFFERING IS REQUIRED >> IT IS CONSISTENT WITH LAND-USE AND LET ME SAY THIS.

THE ZONING DISTRICT ALLOWS FOR DWELLINGS AND WITHOUT HAVING TO HAVE A BUSINESS LIKE YOU WOULD SO THAT'S WHEN YOU SEE THAT A LOT BECAUSE A LOT OF THEM WENT COMMERCIAL BACK IN THE DAY.

IT'S WHERE YOU HAVE THE INCONSISTENT USE IS IF YOU HAVE RESIDENTIAL AND NONRESIDENTIAL

YOU PUT UP THAT BUFFER. >> THANK YOU. >> ONE OF THE THINGS I WANTED TO POINT OUT AND I WILL PASS THIS DOWN IS THAT I PRINTED IT BECAUSE IT WAS INTERESTING WHEN I LOOKED AT THE SATELLITE PHOTOS. ALL DOWN TO 18, THIS IS COMMERCIAL LAND EVEN THOUGH IT'S GOT A LOT OF HOUSES ON ANY PARCEL WE ARE TALKING ABOUT I GUESS THAT'S TO THE NORTH, JUST TO THE NORTH OF IT IS A CHURCH, BUT IMMEDIATELY ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE CHURCHES IS A BB-8 THREE PARCEL. YOU HAVE BB-3 LITERALLY ONE PARCEL OVER FROM THIS ONE. AND THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE HOUSES IN THE COMMERCIAL AREA, IT WILL BE UNFORTUNATE FOR THEM BECAUSE THERE IS NO BUFFERING THAT'S REQUIRED.

YOU CAN PASS THAT DOWN. >> I WANT TO GIVE A MOMENT, IF I COULD.

WE HAD TO COMMISSIONERS ON THE PHONE. COMMISSIONER BRIDGMAN AND

COMMISSIONER NORTON. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? >> BO, DO YOU HAVE ANY

QUESTIONS? >> NO, SIR. >> THE PUBLIC, IS OVER SO WE

ARE DISCUSSING IT NOW. >> CHAD, I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE CLAY OVERLAY THAT

COMMISSIONER GARRISON Ã >> WHAT? >> AND MY CONCERN ÃA COUPLE OF CONCERNS THAT I HAVE WHERE ITS LOCATED WHAT'S AROUND IT, IS THIS GOING TO BE A PAVED LOT OR IS THIS GOING TO BE A DIRT LOT? THE SECOND QUESTION IS WHAT TYPE OF BUILDING STRUCTURE IS GOING TO GO UP? WILL IT BE A SHOWROOM FOR CAR SALES OR IS THIS JUST GOING TO BE A USED CAR LOT THEY ARE GOING TO PARK CARS IN THE FRONT ON THE DIRT AND PUT A FENCE

AROUND IT? DO WE KNOW ANY OF THIS? >> TO ANSWER ÃFIRST OF ALL, I HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE OF THE BUILDING. THAT HAS NOT BEEN SUBMITTED.

WITH REGARDS TO PARKING PAVEMENT AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS YOU MUST BE SERVED BY CONTINUOUS PAVED AND SO THAT AREA HAS TO BE PAVED. AREAS WHERE THEY WOULD BE IN ADDITION TO WHATEVER THEY ARE REQUIRED TO HAVE WITH STORAGE SPACES DO NOT HAVE TO BE PAVED.

YES THEY WILL HAVE TO DO SOME SORT OF PAVEMENT. >> THEY HAVE TO PAY IF THE

ENTIRE LOT. >> AND PARKING. >> AND WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE

NUMBER OF VEHICLES THAT WILL BE PART WILL BE >> AND I DON'T HAVE THAT

INFORMATION TO TIE INTO THE ZONING AT THIS TIME. >> LET'S NOT FOCUS.

AUCTION HOUSES, WRECKED VEHICLES, EQUIPMENT SALES AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.

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>> YOU ARE BASICALLY LOOKING TO CHANGE THIS FROM BEING OFFICES TO A MUCH HAPPIER IS

>> CORRECT. I WILL POINT OUT THIS IS ONE OF THE ZONING CLASSIFICATIONS ALLOWS FOR THE ADULT ENTERTAINMENT ESTABLISHMENT. SO I HAVEN'T BEEN INVOLVED WITH THE OVERLAY PLAN IT WAS ALL Ã WE SPENT THREE YEARS OR SO MAKING THAT HAPPEN.

THE WHOLE INTENT WAS TO TRY TO PRESERVE AND LOOK FOR THE COMMUNITY AND TRY TO PREVENT IT FROM TURNING INTO SOMETHING UNAPPEALING. ONE OF THE REQUIREMENTS ÃTHERE ARE FOUR AND CAROLYN WAS DIRECTLY INVOLVED IN IT. AS FOR OTHER THINGS.

ANOTHER PIECE TO THE TOUCH WITH THE ARCHITECTURE OF THE BUILDING WOULD HAVE TO LOOK LIKE. THERE IS A SINUS COMPONENT AND THE LANDSCAPING COVERS THE SCREEN BUT IF YOU HAVE OUTSIDE STORAGE, IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE SCREENED AND THAT'S REALLY WITH THIS PARTICULAR BUSINESS WOULD BE SOMETHING I WOULD WANT EVERYBODY TO BE AWARE OF IS IF YOU HAVE OUTSIDE STORAGE YOU ARE REQUIRED TO SCREEN IT. IT'S NOT VERY WELL ENFORCED BECAUSE IT GOES BACK TO CODE ENFORCEMENT TO CHAD TO'S POINT WE'VE GOT A COUPLE OF JUNKYARDS OUT THERE. WE DON'T NEED ANOTHER JUNKYARD. I PERSONALLY AM NOT IN FAVOR Ã I WANT TO SEE THE COMMUNITY GROW. THE INTENT WAS TO SEE THE COMMERCIAL ÃYOU ARE INTERNODE AND THERE'S LOTS OF RESIDENTIAL PEOPLE LIVING ON COMMERCIALLY ZONED NEEDIEST PROPERTY. ALSO LOOKING FOR GUIDANCE MAY BE FROM THE ATTORNEY AS WELL.

THE FACT THAT I DON'T LIKE IT, IT'S NOT A VALID REASON TO DENY THE GUY'S REQUEST.

BUT SOMEBODY MENTIONED COMPATIBILITY >> THE TERM YOU ARE LOOKING FOR

IS CHARACTER OF NEIGHBORHOOD >> SO YOU KNOW, IT'S IN A COMMERCIAL NODE AND IT'S ALL INTENDED TO BE COMMERCIAL GROWTH IS A COMMERCIAL BUSINESS.

HE MAY NOT LIKE THAT DOESN'T MEAN YOU CAN DENY ÃI DON'T THINK LEGALLY YOU CAN DENY HIM HIS HIS OWN. NOW YOU HAVE ALL OF THESE USES I CAN GO THERE.

THESE CAR LOTS ARE NEW JARIUS. 45 UP AND DOWN. THERE'S ONE OF THEM LITERALLY A JUNKYARD. THEY WILL PAINT THE BUILDING AND ONE DAY IT WILL BE A BOAT REPAIR PLACE IN THE NEXT TIME IT'S THIS REPAIR. IT'S HIDEOUS.

WE CAN SIT HERE AND SELL THIS AND IT DOESN'T APPLY TO OUR COMMUNITY BUT HE IS GOING TO LEASE IT TO SOMEBODY. I DON'T KNOW IF HE HAS A PARTNER IN THE BUSINESS BUT HE DOESN'T KNOW WHAT KIND OF BUSINESS PARTNER THE SKY WILL BE AND HE WILL ROLL OUT THERE GET A FEW CARS STUCK OUT THERE THE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO WANT THE CARS BACK IT WILL BE SOMETHING ELSE SO THAT'S WHAT I'M WORRIED ABOUT. SO HAVING SAID ALL OF THAT, WHERE IS THE LEGAL CLASSIFICATION TO MAKE A MOTION TO DENY THE ZONING?

>> KEEP IN MIND THAT WE ARE A RECOMMENDATION BODY, AND ONE OF THE MAIN THINGS THAT WE OFTEN OVERLOOK THAT I TRY TO CHAMPION FROM TIME TO TIME IS CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS A VALID THING TO CONSIDER WHEN LOOKING AT SOMETHING LIKE THIS. AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE MAP, ALL OF THE HEAVIER ZONING IS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT CHURCH THAT'S THEIR PEERS ACROSS THE STREET ADJACENT TO THIS IS ALL VA ZONING WHICH IS LOWER INTENSITY.

AND SOME OF IT RIGHT BEHIND IT IS THE AR ZONING. I COULD SUPPORT A RECOMMENDATION TO DENY THIS BASED ON THAT. BECAUSE YOU ARE BRINGING THAT HEAVIER ZONING DOWN INTO AN AREA THAT DOESN'T HAVE IT RIGHT NOW.

>> I AM NOT SITTING HERE TRYING TO TALK YOU ÃI AM NOT A FAN OF THIS.

I'M NOT A FAN OF THIS AT ALL. BUT I'M ALSO VERY SENSITIVE TO A PERSON'S RIGHT TO BUY A PIECE OF PROPERTY DEVELOPED INTO A TIES AND BEST USE. 20 YARDS DOWN THE ROAD THERE ARE TWO CONVENIENCE STORES SITTING ACROSS THE STREET FROM HIM

>> LET ME MAKE ANOTHER COMMENT. HIGHEST AND BEST USE IS A REAL ESTATE TERM.

>> REGARDLESS, HE HAS A RIGHT TO BUY PROPERTY AND, GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS TO REZONE IT.

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>> WE CAN INVITE THE APPLICANT TO COME BACK UP IF YOU'D LIKE. >> YOU HAVE ANY OTHER DETAILS ABOUT HOW THEY WILL BE DEVELOPED ON THE ROAD? DO YOU HAVE SOMEBODY THAT WANTS TO LEASE ALREADY? DO YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THIS FUTURE BUSINESS?

>> YES. HE HAS A BUSINESS IN JACKSONVILLE AND HE WANTS TO MOVE OUT TO CLAY COUNTY. EDDIE HAS A RECORD BUSINESS. THAT'S NOT A JUNKYARD BUSINESS.

ND HE RECOVERS CARS. YOU HAVE TO PUT IT SOMEWHERE HOPEFULLY WILL NOBODY IS GOING TO SEE IT. AND COME OUT AND TRY TO GET IT. BUT THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT HE'S

GOING TO DO. >> WHAT ABOUT THE AUTO SALES PARTICULAR

>> THAT'S GOING TO BE IN THE FRONT AND PROBABLY NOT GOING TO BE RIGHT AWAY.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I APPRECIATE YOU ANSWER MY QUESTIONS.

>> THANK YO, SIR. BASED ON THE GENTLEMAN ANSWERING THOSE QUESTIONS AND THE FACT THAT IT'S NOT COMPATIBLE WITH WHAT I CONSIDER TO BE THE COMMUNITY I'M GOING

TO MAKE A MOTION TO DENY THIS APPLICATION. >> I WILL SECOND THAT

>> METRO FIRST AND A SECOND.

THANK YOU. WE ARE GOING TO MOVE TO ÃTHIS IS GOING TO BE HEARD ON AUGUST 11 AT THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO JOIN THEM.

[2.  Public Hearing To Consider Rezoning Application Z-20-08 RC to AR]

THIS IS JUST ZONING. THIS SHOULD BE IN THREE WEEKS >> THIS ONE WE AVERTISE FOR

THE 11TH. >> MR. WILLIAMS, DO YOU HAVE A SON?

YES. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE. >> BUSINESS APPLICATIONS THE 2008 CHANGE IN ZONING FROM RC TO AR THE PARCEL IS 1.89 ACRES LOCATED [INDISCERNIBLE] BY ACTION OF THIS IT WILL BRING THE PROPERTY INTO COMPLIANCE WITH THE EXISTING MOBILE HOME WHICH IS NOT PERMITTED IN THE ZONING DISTRICT. THE SURROUNDING ZONING'S ARE ALL AR. THIS IS AN AERIAL VIEW OF THE SITE AND A COUPLE OF SITE PHOTOS. STAFF HAS REVIEWED THE APPLICATION [INDISCERNIBLE]

>> ANY QUESTIONS WERE STAFFED >> JUST ONE. I WAS JUST CURIOUS HOW THIS ONE PARCEL ÃDO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA HOW IT ENDED UP BEING RC IN THE FIRST PLACE?

>> IN THE RIDGEWOOD AREA THERE ARE VARIOUS PARCELS FOR WHATEVER REASON ONE THAT WE DID SEVERAL MONTHS AGO. WAS THAT AT ONE TIME IN THE CODE RC ALLOWED FOR MOBILE HOMES IN A CHANGED TO BECOME A DUPLEX OR ÃNONCONFORMING ZONING IS SPORADIC

>> AR WOULD HAVE ALLOWED THE MOBILE HOME AS WELL. >> I THINK IT WAS AT THE TIME IT WAS ZONED LATE 70S EARLY 80S AND. POST 91, RC IS DUPLEX AND

TRIPLEX >> RIGHT. MULTIFAMILY.

>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? IS THERE AN APPLICANT? SIR WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME UP? WE WILL NEED YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS.

>> PEDRO MRAZ 770 ASHWOOD ST. ORANGE PARK. 32065.

BASICALLY WE LIVE TWO BLOCKS FROM THE PROPERTY SO WE BOUGHT IT AND WE WANT TO BUILD OUR HOME ON IT AND AT THE SAME TIME I WIFE WAS TO DO HER LITTLE HOBBY FARM.

BUT WE FOUND THAT WE CAN ONLY BUILD A DUPLEX OR A TRIPLEX CASE MARY HAD THE HOME THAT WE

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THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT. >> APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE. ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE

APPLICANT? >> IF I MAY ADD SOMETHING. I FORGOT TO MENTION I DID RECEIVE AND PROVIDE YOU FOLKS WITH THE LETTERS AND STUFF I NEED TO ANSWER FOR THE PERSON HERE. I BELIEVE THEY ARE IN OPPOSITION BUT THAT'S FOR THE

RECORD. >> THANK YOU. I WAS GOING TO CALL THAT OUT DURING PUBLIC COMMENT SO I APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING THAT UP.

I THINK WE ARE GOOD. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE.

WE ARE GOING TO OPEN UP PUBLIC COMMENT AT THIS TIME. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THIS

AGENDA ITEM. >> YES, SIR. JAMES AUTO.

CHICKENS, THAT'S AWESOME. I HAVEN'T HEARD ABOUT THE CHICKENS IN A LITTLE WHILE.

YOU CAN STILL HAVE SO MANY CHICKENS AND ROOSTERS AND YOU CAN'T KILL THEM, RIGHT? IS THAT THE ORDINANCE? I THINK THAT WAS IN THE ORDINANCE.

IS THIS ONE OF THE SPOTS YOU CAN DO THE ORDINANCE LIKE NUMBER ONE? I THINK THERE'S 32 SPOTS IN THE COUNTY AND A COUPLE OF THEM DOWN THE ROAD ON SALE AT 21.

SO MR. LONDON DID A GOOD SPEECH, YOU KNOW, A GOOD PRESENTATION AND HE TOLD US WHAT THE COUNTY HAD SO I WOULD ENCOURAGE THE CITIZENS TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THAT AND I THINK THAT WAS THE DENIAL, RIGHT? IS THAT A DENIAL

>> WE ARE TALKING ABOUT AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TWO. >> OKAY.

AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TWO. I LIKE THAT THEY ARE RIGHT THERE.

WE SHOULD KEEP AR IN THE COUNTY. THAT WAS WHAT MR. LONDON WAS TALKING ABOUT. HE SAID THAT'S WHAT YOU GUYS GOT IS THAT TYPE OF COMMUNITY AND YOUSHOULD KEEP IT THAT WAY. IS IT OKAY TO TALK ABOUT

RELIGION? >> WE ARE TALKING ABOUT AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TWO.

WE WILL HAVE A SECOND PUBLIC COMMENT AT THE END OF THE MEETING

>> ARE YOU ABLE TO PUT A RELIGIOUS CENTER ON THIS WITH VA?

>> I AM UNAWARE OF HOW TO ANSWER TAT QUESTION. PLEASE CONTINUE.

>> OR RC. IT'S GOING TO GO TO AR. AR.

I DON'T THINK YOU CAN HAVE CHURCHES ON AR. BUT, THAT'S GREAT ABOUT THE CHICKENS. I HAVEN'T HEARD THAT IN A LONG TIME.

IF YOU COULD GIVE US SOME CLARIFICATION ON THE CHICKENS, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.

I DO KNOW THAT ALLIGATORS LIKE THEM THE BEST BECAUSE THEY DETERIORATE FASTER.

THAT'S HOW THEY LIKE THE FOOD. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

IS THERE ANY OTHER FOLKS THAT WOULD LIKE TO COME UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? SEEING ON WE ARE GOING TO CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT AND WE WILL BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMISSION

FOR DISCUSSION. >> CAN I HAVE THE APPLICANT COME DOWN AND ANSWER A COUPLE

OF QUESTIONS FOR >> APPLICANTS, WOULD YOU MIND COMING UP TO ANSWER A FEW

QUESTIONS FOR US? >> JUST A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS FOR YOU AND I AM BASING THIS PRETTY MUCH ON THE EMAIL THAT WAS SENT TO US AS WELL. I AM FAMILIAR WITH WHERE THE LOT IS. IT'S NOT THAT BIG OF A PARCEL. ARE YOU PLANNING TO HAVE HORSES, COWS, SHEEP, ANYTHING OF THAT NATURE? OTHER THAN THE CHICKENS, DOGS POSSIBLY.S THERE ANYTHING ELSE YOU ARE PLANNING TO DO THAT THE NEIGHBORS NEED TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT? BECAUSE CHICKENS ARE COMMITTED ÃPERMITTED

>> THERE WAS MAYBE A GOAT BUT HONESTLY, IT'S A SMALL CHICKEN COOP.

MY WIFE USED TO FEED I GUESS THE AGRICULTURAL ONES AND I WANT TO GET BACK TO THAT QUICKLY WENT A FARM AND YOU WANT TO GROW PLANTS AND VEGETABLES AND THINGS OF THAT

NATURE >> SHE WILL HAVE HER CHECK IN FOR THE EGGS BUT NO LARGE

ANIMALS. >> A COUPLE OF THE OTHER CONCERNS WITH THE GOPHER

TORTOISE I'M ASSUMING YOU ARE NOT GOING TO CHASE THEM AWAY. >> WE ACTUALLY WANT THEM

>> I FIGURED IT WAS BUT I WANT TO GET THAT ON THE RECORD FOR YOUR SAKE HERE.

>> WE HAVE SEEN THEM ABOUT THREE OR FOUR OF THEM. >> AND, YOU KNOW, KNOWING THE

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SO I AM GOOD ÃTHE OTHER THING ÃI'M GOOD. >> COMMISSION OR ANY OTHER

QUESTIONS? >> CAN I MAKE ANOTHER COMMENT? WE ALWAYS TALK ABOUT THIS AND THIS IS QUITE A CONTENTION FOR RALPH, WE ARE ALWAYS CONVERTING AR TO SOMETHING ELSE.

THIS IS A RARE OCCASION FOR US TO BOUNCE IT BACK TO AR SO I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF THAT.

>> I WANTED TO TAKE A SECOND AND READ INTO THE RECORD OR ACKNOWLEDGE, I SHOULD SAY WE RECEIVED AN EMAIL FROM MS. MELODY SILVEY FROM 715 HARRISON AVENUE, ORANGEBURG, FL AND WE ALL HAVE ÃTHE COMMISSIONERS HAVE RECEIVED THIS EMAIL AND WILL TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION.

>> I JUST WANT TO FOLLOW-UP BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE THIS EMAIL AND JOE MENTIONED IT.

I KNOW SHE HAS CONCERNS IN HERE, BUT I WOULD POINT OUT IF SHE IS NEXT DOOR TO THIS PROPERTY SHE CAN DO ALL OF THIS STUFF HERSELF. SO TO SAY I DON'T WANT SOMEONE ELSE COMING IN ÃI PROBABLY Ã MAY BE FULL. I LIVE ON AR PROPERTY MYSELF.

THERE IS A LOT YOU CAN DO WITH IT. MOST PEOPLE DON'T.

BUT AGAIN CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE SURROUNDING ZONING, THIS IS JUST A SORE THUMB AND IT SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN HERE IN THE FIRST PLACE.

THIS SHOULD BE AR. WITH THAT I'M GOING TO MOVE THE STAFF REPORT BE CHANGE

>> WE HAVE A FIRST AND A SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?

>>

[3.  Public Hearing to Amend Several Policies in the Comprehensive Plan to Change the Deadline for Adoption of a Mobility Fee]

YOU WOULD LIKE TO GO YOU ARE WELCOME TO DO SO. >> WHAT WE HAVE TODAY ARE POLICY TO CHANGE ÃDEADLINE FOR THE MOBILITY FEED IN NOVEMBER. I WILL GIVE YOU BACKGROUND SO YOU KNOW WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT. STATES THAT YOU NO LONGER REQUIRES TRANSPORTATION COMPARED TO FAIR SHARE PAYMENTS WHEN CLAYTON COUNTY RAISED THE IMPACT FEES TO REFLECT A COUNTYWIDE PC OF [INDISCERNIBLE] THEY ALSO REPEAL CONCURRENCY. BY STATE STATUTE THEY ARE HIGHLY RECOMMENDED IT DOESN'T SAY YOU HAVE TO BUT TO ADOPT IMMOBILITY AS PART OF THE REPEALED CURRENCY THE IMPACT HE WAS ADOPTED INTO THE COMP PLAN AND I SAW THIS CHANGES AS THE EQUIVALENT OF A MOBILITY FEED.

THE COMMITTED AND ACTUAL MOBILITY FEE WILL BE ADOPTD NO LATER THAN OCTOBER 1, 2020.

WE PLAN ON CHANGING THE DATE TO NOVEMBER 1 BASED ON WANTING TO HAVE WORKSHOPS AND WE FELT HAVING A SEPTEMBER 1 Ã SEPTEMBER 1 WORKSHOP WAS TOO EARLY IN THE PROCESS.

WE NEED TO CONSULTANT MORE TIME TO DO IT. BY THE SAME TOKEN THE CONSULTANT HAS NOT INDICATED THEY CAN'T MEET THE DEADLINE BUT WE FEEL THERE'S NO PROBLEM WITH IT ONE MONTH EXTENSION. THE CONSULTANT IS AT FLEMING AND THEY ARE THE LEAD CONSULTANT WORKING AS WE SPEAK ON THE FEE. THIS IS THE MOBILITY MEETING SCHEDULE. WE PLAN TO HAVE A PLANNING COMMISSION WORKSHOP ONE ÃON SEPTEMBER 1. AND THE PLAN IS OCTOBER 6. THE PLANNING COMMISSION ITSELF DOES NOT ADOPT AN ABILITY FEE YOU DO ADOPT THE CHANGES [INDISCERNIBLE] ARE THERE ANY

QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? >> YOU HAVE AUGUST 6 WITH A TENTATIVE DATE.

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>> THAT SET. I KNOW JESSE SPRADLEY HAS BEEN NOTIFIED AND IS GOING TO PARTICIPATE. IF ANY OF YOU WOULD LIKE TO PARTICIPATE NOT JUST THE STAKEHOLDER MEETINGS BUT THE PUBLIC WORKSHOPS, FEEL FREE TO ÃBESIDES THE OTHER WORKSHOPS, THE PUBLIC WORKSHOP IN THE STAKEHOLDER MEETINGS WILL BE VIRTUAL WITH MICROSOFT TEAMS.

>> HEARING ON, WE DON'T HAVE AN APPLICANT BECAUSE STAFF IN THIS CASE IS THE APPLICANT SO WE

WILL OPEN UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM. >> JAMES AUTO I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IN THE PAST HAS BEEN REALLY BAD.

FOR THE LAST TWO FULL BOARDS ON THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS AND I THINK, LIKE I SAID EARLIER, WE JUST NEED TO ELIMINATE THAT OWN PROPERTY AND THE BUILDERS I KNOW YOU SWING A HAMMER AND HE TALKED HIGHLY ABOUT IT AT ONE OF THE PRIOR MEETINGS HERE, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT THESE TYPE OF PEOPLE REPRESENTING ALL OF THE PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTY AND I'VE CONTINUE TO FULL BOARDS AND WE HAVE A CONGESTED MASK HERE AND I THINK GOD WE ARE SEEING THIS AR TODAY. LIKE I SAID, MR. LONDON SPOKE ABOUT THAT AND WE PAID ÃTHE CITIZENS PAID FOR THAT MAN TO COME HERE AND FOR HIM TO GIVE HIS OPINION TO THIS COUNTY.

AND YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO LOOK AT SOME OTHER THINGS. I DON'T WANT TO GET TOO FAR OFF THE TOPIC AND GET THE GAVEL SWUNG AT ME OR ANYTHING, SO I GUESS I WILL LEAVE IT AT THAT UNTIL THE NEXT PUBLIC COMMENT, AT LEAST. BUT WE NEED TO LEAVE RELIGION

COMPLETELY OUT OF OUR POLITICS IN CLAY COUNTY. >> THANK YOU, MR. OTTO.

JUST A POINT OF CLARIFICATION. ADDRESSES ARE REQUIRED WHEN SOMEBODY COMES UP TO SPEAK OR

IS AN EMAIL APPROPRIATE? >> WE PREFER THE ADDRESS BUT ON THE CARD IT DOESN'T SAY

OPTIONAL. PWE PREFER THE ADDRESS. >> THANK YOU.

>> SO ARE THERE ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENTS BRING IT BACK TO THE BOARD

>> I KNOW MYSELF, I AM NOT. I AM A PROFESSIONAL CREATIVE. >> CREATIVE PROFESSIONAL.

WE GOT CATEGORIZED EITHER WAY AND I KNOW THERE'S SEVERAL OTHER MEMBERS THAT ARE NOT IN THE CONSTRUCTION BUSINESS JUST WITH THE PUBLIC'S EDIFICATION. THIS IS REALLY JUST A DATE CHANGE. WE HAVE A FIRST? WE HAVE A SECOND? ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY I.

[4.  Public Hearing to consider CPA 2020-06 IVC Text Amendment]

PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER CPA 2020 Ã06, AND I BELIEVE CAROLYN HAS THAT ONE WHEN SHE'S

READY. >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.HIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT 20 2006, AN AMENDMENT TO THE POLICY 1.4.10 THE APPLICANT IS

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SO THE APPLICATION IS TO AMEND THE POLICY AND HAS TO DO WITH THE PROVISIONS FOR INTERCHANGE VILLAGE. THE FIRST ACTION WOULD BE TOO CHANGE THE TITLE OF THE SECTION OF THE CODE TO VILLAGE CENTERS AND INTERCHANGE VILLAGE CENTERS.

THE SECOND WAS TO ELIMINATE THE PARAGRAPH SPECIALIZING WHERE THE CENTERS MAY BE LOCATED AND CURRENTLY THERE IS TO AND ONE IS LOCATED ON HANLEY ROAD. LOCATED ON STATE ROUTE 16.

IT'S 18.75 ACRES IN SIZE AND STATE ROAD 16 IS 150 ACRES. CURRENTLY, THE INTERCHANGE VILLAGE CENTERS MAY ONLY BE DEVELOPED FOR OFFICE AND LIGHT INDUSTRIAL PRIOR TO THE OPENING OF THE FIRST COAST EXPRESSWAY TO TRAFFIC. THIS APPLICATION WILL ELIMINATE THE RESTRICTION AND ALLOW ALL THE USES THAT THE CENTER COULD HAVE AN THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO. THE LITTLE 18.75 ACRES LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.

IT ALLOWS OFFICE AND COMMERCIAL. NOT THE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.

THIS WOULD ALLOW INDUSTRIAL AND AT THIS TIME WE HAVE NO SITE PLANS WERE NO INDICATION OF PENDING DEVELOPMENT ON STATE ROAD 16. THE IVC AT HANLEY ROAD IS PART OF ÃVILLAGE PARK DEVELOPMENT WHICH IS UNDERWAY WITH THREE RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISIONS RIGHT THERE ON HANLEY ROAD UNDERWAY NOW. VILLAGE PART A, B, AND C. I'M SURE THEY HAVE ÃTHAT'S THE ONLY WAY I KNOW THEM. SO THAT'S MAYBE ONE OF THE MORE POLICY ORIENTED CONCEPT, WHETHER OR NOT YOU WANT TO HAVE USES TO ENCOURAGE THE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL OR THE OFFICE AND PRIORITY WERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT WILL COME IN BECAUSE POTENTIALLY OTHER GAS STATIONS AND RESTAURANTS AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS MIGHT BE THE THING THAT WILL COME IN AHEAD OF THIS KIND OF USES. SO WE DID REVIEW THIS APPLICATION IS CLOSE TO THE TIME IT WILL REOPEN. WE DID KNOW WHEN THE FUNDING WOULD COME THROUGH WE DID NOT SEND ANYTHING WITH IT DEVELOPED SO WE KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN REASONABLY SOON AT THIS TIME AND STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE CHANGES THAT

HAVE BEEN RECOMMENDED BY THE APPLICANT. >> ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF?

>> IS IT GOING TO BE AN ACCESS POINT TO THAT EXPRESSWAY OFF OF HENLEY WERE 16?

>> THERE IS AN ACCESS POINT AND THERE IS AN ACCESS AT 16 AND THERE IS AN ACCESS IF YOU LOOK AT THE LAKE AS VERY MASTER PLAN THERE WILL BE AN ACCESS PORT THE ACTIVITY CENTER SQUARE TO 18 RUNS ACROSS AN INTERSEX BUT THOSE ROADS ARE BUILT YET SO IT'S STILL SITTING OUT THERE NOT REACHABLE. ACCESSIBLE I GUESS WOULD BE A BETTER TERM.

>> THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. >> CAN YOU LOOK BACK TO THE SLIDE AND SUMMARIZE WHAT THE CHANGES WERE? NUMBER TWO.

ELIMINATE THE PARAGRAPH SPECIFYING WHERE THEY MAY BE LOCATED.

CAN YOU GIVE A LITTLE RATIONALE ON WHY YOU WOULD SUPPORT THAT? ONE OF THE BIG PROBLEMS THAT WE HAVE IS DEVELOPERS, THEY WANT TO PUT EVERYTHING ON THE MAIN ROADS AT THE BIG INTERSECTIONS, AND PART OF THE WHOLE LAKE ASBURY MASTER PLAN WAS TO FORCE THAT STUFF BACK OFF THOSE ROADS. CURRENTLY, THERE IS ONLY YOU SPECIFIED IN THE PLAN.

WHY WOULD THEY ELIMINATE THAT PARAGRAPH, BECAUSE IN THE FUTURE, AND I WILL JUST THROW THIS OUT THERE, FIRST COAST EXPRESSWAY IS GOING TO SPRING BREAK ROAD.

THERE'S NO INTERCHANGE THERE BUT IF THEY EVER PUT ONE THERE IN THE FUTURE, IT DOES NOT GIVE

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LOGIC IN IT >> CURRENTLY, WE ÃTHE PLAN SAYS THERE CAN ONLY BE 10 VILLAGE CENTERS AND THE CENTER WAS A SUBSET OF THE VILLAGE CENTER.

YOU COULDN'T GO OVER 10 GUARDISIL WHATEVER YOU CALL THEM.

THE DISCUSSION WE HAVE BEEN HAVING LATELY AT LEAST HOUSE IS NOT THE NATURE OF THE KINDS OF BUSINESSES THAT WE SPECIFIED IN VILLAGE CENTER, ALL THESE SORT OF VERY SMALL WALKABLE COMMUNITY SHOPS AND STUFF, I'M NOT SURE THERE'S NOT MANY ÃHOW MANY INDEPENDENT WORKSHOPS AND INDEPENDENT MEAT MARKETS, INDEPENDENT SHOPS OF ANY KIND ARE WE GET IN ÃAND THE OTHER THING WOULD BE GAS STATIONS. IT WENT FROM 12 TO 22 PUMPS AND THE CHANCE OF US GETTING A GAS STATION OF LESS THAN 12 PUMPS IS PROBABLY SLIM TO NONE. I THINK WE'RE PROBABLY GOING TO HAVE TO SPEND TIME LOOKING AT WHAT WE THINK IS APPROPRIATE TO THE VILLAGE CENTER AS WE GO FORWARD BECAUSE THEY ARE MAPPED AND THEY ARE INTENDED ÃA GOOD NUMBER OF THEM ARE INTENDED TO BE THE ÃLINE ROAD AND MAYBE ONE OF OUR MAJOR ROADS ARE EVEN AT THE INTERSECTION OF TWO Ã LINE ROADS AND THEY ARE ROADS WE INTEND TO BUILD BUT WE DON'T HAVE THEM BUILT YET.

THEY WOULD HELP WITH THE DEVELOPMENT OF LAKE ASBURY. LAKE AS VERY IS A VERY PROGRESSIVE KIND OF PLAN. WE'VE GONE OUT THERE AND THEY HOPE AND THEY PROMISE BASICALLY WE WOULD GET THE DEVELOPMENT WE ARE GOING TO GET ALL THE INFRASTRUCTURE TO GO WITH IT.

PIECE BY PIECE WE SEEM TO BE MAKING IT WORK. >> I MAJOOR YOU ANSWERED MY QUESTION, THOUGH. ABOUT WHY WOULD WE ELIMINATE SPECIFYING WHERE THEY ARE

LOCATED? >> WELL, THEY ARE MAPPED CURRENTLY.

YOU HAVE TO TAKE THEM OFF A MAP OR YOU HAVE TO ADD LEAST CHANGE THE LANGUAGE TO SAY HOW MANY MORE THERE COULD BE WHETHER OR NOT IT LIMITS HOW MANY IT COULD BE.

THE LANGUAGE STILL SAYS 10 AT LEAST. AND YOU HAVE ONLY ÃTHE ACTIVITY CENTER ISN'T A VILLAGE CENTERS SO IT'S GOING TO HAVE AN INTERCHANGE COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY ANYWAY, WHETHER WE CALL IT OUR NOT SO WE'VE ONLY GOT THE THREE IN LAKE ASBURY.

>> ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU. WITH THE APPLICANT LIKE TO COME UP?

>> SUSAN FRASER 3517 PARK ST. IN JACKSONVILLE. MR. YOUNG IS HERE.

YOU MAY HAVE QUESTIONS FOR HIM >> THE HISTORY OF THIS ÃSOME OF YOUR NEW COMMISSIONERS AND IF YOU DON'T KNOW THIS STORY, THE OTHER TWO HAVE BEEN HERE SINCE THE BEGINNING BUT THE MASTER PLAN HAS THE THREE TYPES OF COMMERCIAL. IT HAS THE ACTIVITY CENTER WHICH IS OUR SOUTHPOINT. IT'S GOING TO BE THE INTERCHANGE, SINGLE OWNERSHIP OF THAT LAND. IT WILL BE THE BEAUFORT PARKWAY AND THE OFFICE BUILDINGS.

THEN YOU HAVE THE VILLAGE CENTERS AND THE VILLAGE CENTERS WHEN THE ORIGINAL PLAN IN 2006 AND THEY ARE AVONDALE AND INTENDED TO BE YOUR SCHOOL, YOUR PLAYGROUND, YOUR LITTLE RESTAURANTS AND ALL THOSE NICE THINGS PEOPLE WANT IN A DRY CLEANER.

SMALL-SCALE USES. SO WHEN THE DOT CAME WITH THE BELTWAY AND ORIGINALLY THERE WAS AN INTERCHANGE AT THE ACTIVITY CENTER AND THE INTERCHANGE WAS THERE BECAUSE THE COUNTY HAD PLANNED AS LAND USES IN THAT LOCATION. IF THIS WAS A REGULAR INTERSTATE, DOT WOULD BUILD THIS HUGE INTERCHANGE. HEY WOULD BUILD AS YOU ENTER CHANGES AS NECESSARY BECAUSE THEY ARE 20 AND $30 MILLION TO BUILD AN INTERCHANGE BUT WHEN THEY STARTED RUNNING THE TOLL MODELING FOR THE BELTWAY, IF YOU CAN'T GET PEOPLE ONTO THE BELTWAY THEY CAN'T DROP A FOURTH IN THE BUCKET. THERE WAS NOT AN INTERCHANGE AT HENLEY ROAD WHEN IT STARTED. THERE WAS AN INTERCHANGE AT 16 WHEN IT STARTED.

AND SO SOMEWHERE ALONG THE WAY AND ALL THE MODELING REVENUE STREAM.

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AND WHEN WE LOOKED AT CREATING THAT IT WAS ÃVILLAGE CENTER HAD ÃSIZE ISN'T ANYTHING EXCEPT THAT'S WHAT THEY HAD Ã ONE OF THE ÃYOU ASKED ABOUT THE DESIGNATION OF THE INTERCHANGE, I WOULD OFFER TO NO ONE CAN HAPPEN WITHOUT A LAND-USE CHANGE.

SO SOMEONE WOULD HAVE TO COME UP AND SAY I WOULD LIKE TO ADD A 10 ACRE, 20 ACRE, HUNDRED ACRE AND PRESENT THAT TO YOU AND YOU WOULD HAVE TO APPROVE THAT.

THAT'S THE CHANGE TO THE FUTURE LAND-USE RAT DASH. IF YOU COME UP AND YOU CONVINCE THE COUNTY THAT A NEW ONE IS APPROPRIATE YOU CHANGE THAT LANGUAGE AS WELL AND IT WAS A SET OF ADVANCES INTERNET LINK IS ON HENLEY AND SOMEBODY ELSE. SO IT'S IRRELEVANT BECAUSE YOU EITHER HAVE TO PROVE THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR ONE THAT THE COUNTY APPRECIATES OR YOU DON'T. AND SO THE CHANGE WE ARE HERE TONIGHT TO TALK ABOUT IS JUST THE TIMING AND CAROLYN IS ÃWE STARTED THE BELTWAY IT WAS A PRETTY LINE ON A PRE-MAP AND THERE WERE NOT A LOT OF INTERCHANGES AT ALL AND NOW WE ARE DODGING ÃWE ARE LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING OPPORTUNITIES WHILE THERE IS AN ACTIVE DISCUSSION ONE ON 16 IS PROBABLY 60 MONTHS AWAY. FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO ARE THE HAMMER SWINGING CONSTRUCTION AS YOU KNOW IT TAKES TWO YEARS TO GO FROM ELECTED PROPERTY, WANT TO BUY A PROPERTY AND PERMIT YOUR PROPERTY AND SO WE ARE REALLY IN THE THICK OF IT WHERE PEOPLE ARE LOOKING AT THOSE OPPORTUNITIES BEING TODAY THE DATA INTERCHANGE OPENS. SO WE ARE ASKING YOU IF YOU WOULD APPROVE THE REQUESTED AMENDMENTS. THEY BELIEVE THEY ARE REALLY JUST A TIMING ISSUE, A LITTLE CLEANUP. ONE THING WE HAVE HAD SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT IS THE USE OF SMALL-SCALE USES WHEN THE VILLAGE CENTER ATLANTIS WAS WRITTEN IN 2006, WITHOUT THE INTERCHANGE VILLAGE CENTERS IT'S KIND OF NOT A TERM OF ART TO SAY SMALL-SCALE USES. IT'S LIKE A MINI WALMART. THE TERM IN PLANNING HIS NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL AND COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL. IT'S THE CHARACTER OF THE OCCUPANT OF THAT BUILDING. THAT WAS ADDED TO REACH BACK IN TIME AND SAY WE PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE CALLED IT AT ALL ALONG. DOESN'T CHANGE THE USES PERMITTED AND WE WILL BE BACK TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT THAT IN SEPTEMBER AS HE WILL GET TO WEIGH IN WITH US ABOUT WHAT SHOULD HAPPEN AT THESE LOCATIONS. WE ARE REALLY HERE AT SAINT THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO SEE SOMETHING COME OUT OF THE GROUND OF THESE INTERCHANGES WE WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THAT AVAILABLE AS IS COMING TO US. THANK YOU.

>> ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? >> YES.

I THINK YOU ANSWERED IT Ã SUSAN, I THINK YOU ANSWERED THIS BUT REMOVING THE LANGUAGE ABOUT NEIGHBORHOOD AND SMALL-SCALE, THAT'S REALLY TO ALLOW BUILDING A OF BIG-BOX

STORES >> IS NOT AT ALL. THE LANGUAGE ALREADY SAYS IT CAN BE REGIONAL SCALE. THEY CAN BE REASONABLE SCALE SO IT SAYS THEY ARE NOT LIMITED TO SMALL-SCALE. IF YOU LEAVE IT THAT WAY AND YOU DON'T LIKE THE WORD NEIGHBORHOOD, IT DOESN'T SAY THEY SHALL NOT BE LIMITED AND MAYBE REGIONAL SCALE.

SO THAT'S THERE TODAY. THAT WAS THE INTENT. WE HAVE A REGIONAL ROAD AND WE

WANT TO HAVE THOSE OPPORTUNITIES. >> ARE THERE ANY OTHER

QUESTIONS? >> JUST TO CONFIRM, THIS IS A TIMING ISSUE, RIGHT?

THAT'S ALL THIS IS. >> BUT IF YOU BRING HIM BACK I HAVE A COMMENT

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>> WE WILL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC COMMENT AFTER MR. LEHMAN DOES A QUICK LETDOWN.

>> I HAVE NO COMMENT CARDS. BUT I BELIEVE MR. OTTO IS GOING TO ADDRESS THIS.

>> YES, SIR. JAMES OTTO PLAN A1@GMAIL.COM. I'VE BEEN COMING HERE FOR 10+ YEARS NOW AND REALLY, LAKE ASBURY IS A JOKE. THE REAL VILLAGES IS IN CENTRAL FLORIDA AND THERE YOU HAVE APARTMENTS THERE NOW. IT'S A REAL NICE PLACE TO LIVE IF YOU ARE LOOKING FOR A NEW PLACE TO LIVE HERE IN FLORIDA. THERE IS TALK OF JUNKYARDS HERE AND TALK OF STUFF LIKE THAT. SO IT WILL MAKE YOU WONDER WHY YOU WOULD WANT TO COME AND

BUILD AND THIS IS ONE OF THE TWO DISTRICTS. >> MR. OTTO WE ARE TALKING SPECIFICALLY ABOUT VILLAGE CENTERS AND LAKE ASBURY PLAN. I WOULD ASK YOU TO PLEASE KEEP YOUR THOUGHTS ON THE AGENDA ITEM WE ARE DISCUSSING AS I WOULD LIKE TO REMIND YOU THAT PLAKE ASBURY IS IN ONE OF THE TWO DISTRICTS A LITTLE BIT IS GOING TO THE OTHER TWO DISTRICTS, BUT YOU COULD NOT DO THE STUFF YOU'RE DOING IF YOU DID NOT HAVE ALL OF THIS ROADWORK YOU ARE TRYING TO GET DONE. TIME AND TIME AGAIN IT GOES TO THE MEETINGS AND I WAS VERY HAPPY TO SEE YOU ARE DOING SOME GOOD STUFF WITH WHAT YOU ARE DOING. HONESTLY, THERE IS WAY TOO MUCH GOING ON IN THIS COUNTY.

YOU ARE JUST UNDER 200,000. IT'S GOING TO BE SUCH BAD GRIDLOCK HERE THAT YOU THINK YOU HAVE PEOPLE MAD ON THIS ROAD RIGHT NOW BUT YOU KNOW, I WILL LET IT LIE LIKE THAT FOR NOW I DO DRIVE A LONG WAY TO COME TO THESE MEETINGS SO I APPRECIATE THE RESPECT.

I MADE A LOT OF THESE MEETINGS AND I PROBABLY THE ONE CITIZEN THAT MAKES THE MOST AMOUNT OF

MEETINGS IN THIS COUNTY. SO THANK YOU >> THANK YOU.

ARE THERE ANY OTHER FOLKS WOULD LIKE TO COME UP WITH PUBLIC COMMENT? STAYING ON WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMISSION FOR DISCUSSION.

BEFORE WE START HERE AT THE PANEL, COMMISSIONER NORTON IS THERE ANYTHING YOU WOULD LIKE

TO ADDRESS? >> MR. NORTON: NO, NOT AT THIS POINT.

>> COMMISSIONER BRIDGMAN? >> MS. BRIDGMAN: NO, THANK YOU. >

>> MR. BOURRE: THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. >> TO BUILD'S POINT, THEY ARE BUILDING THE ROAD. WE KNOW THE ROAD IS GOING TO BE THERE NOW.

THAT IS TIMING. THE ONLY THING IN THIS WHOLE THING THAT CONCERNS ME, AND I'M SURE THAT SOME PEOPLE WOULD TELL ME ÃIT'S THIS IDEA WE ARE NOT GOING TO REALLY SPECIFY WHERE THESE VILLAGE CENTERS ARE. WE'VE ALREADY MOVED THE ONE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT NOW WAS ALREADY MOVED. WE HAD ANOTHER APPLICANT IN HERE WANTING TO MOVE ANOTHER ONE OFF TO HADLEY ROAD AND THE WHOLE IDEA IS TO STOP AND LABOR FROM LOOKING LIKE BLANDING BOULEVARD. THAT WAS THE WHOLE IDEA OF THESE VILLAGE CENTERS. THE REST OF IT IS FINE AND I'M NOT COMFORTABLE WITH THIS IDEA WE TAKE THE LOCATIONS OUT OF THE PLAN. BECAUSE AS SOON AS WE DO EVERY ONE OF THESE PROPERTY OWNERS IS GOING TO WANT TO MOVE THAT STUFF UP TO HADLEY AND IT DEFEATS THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF THE LAND IN THE FIRST PLACE. I AM IN SUPPORT OF IT BUT I'D

LIKE TO SEE THAT PIECE REMOVED. >> ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? >> I HAVE A QUESTION.

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[INDISCERNIBLE] >> MARY, COULD YOU RESTATE THAT?

WE ARE HAVING A HARD TIME HEARING IT. P>> OKAY.

RALPH I CONCERNED ABOUT TAKING OUT THE LOCATION OF THE POLICY AND MY QUESTION IS IF THERE WERE GOING TO BE FOR MOVEMENT OF WHERE THE INTERCHANGE CENTERS ARE, WHEN THERE ALSO HAVE TO BE AN AMENDMENT TO THE MAP ITSELF, THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP?

>> SO LET'S LET CAROL ANSWER THAT QUESTION. >>

>> THE INTERCHANGE VILLAGE CENTERS IN THE VILLAGE CENTERS ARE SEPARATELY IDENTIFIED ON THE MAP IF THEY ARE MOVING OR THEY ARE BEING ENLARGED, THAT WOULD BE A MAP AMENDMENT.

>> SO MY POINT TO RALPH IS IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU GOT SOME PROTECTION THERE.

IT COULD NOT JUST BE ANYTHING ANYBODY WANTS, IT'S SET FORTH IN THE MAP.

THAT CONTROLS AND THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE CHANGED. >> RIGHT.

WHAT THIS DOES NOT DO IS IT DOES NOT PROHIBIT SOMEONE FROM SUGGESTING AN ADDITIONAL ONE

BUT STILL WOULD BE A MAP AMENDMENT. >> CAN I RESPOND? TO ME, IT'S LIKE A COMBINATION LOCK. YOU DON'T WANT TO GIVE IN THE FIRST TWO NUMBERS. WITH THEM TO COME IN HERE AND HAVE TO HAVE ALL THREE TO OPEN THE COMBINATION. THAT IS MY ISSUE WITH THIS. WHAT YOU WILL SEE OVER TIME IS A LOT OF THIS STUFF GETS DONE THAT WAY. IT'S DEATH BY 1000 CUTS.

THEY ASK FOR ONE THING AND THEN THEY ASK FOR SOMETHING ELSE AND PRETTY SOON IT'S LIKE IT'S NOT THAT BIG OF A CHANGE. IT'S A PRETTY BIG CHANGE FROM WHERE YOU STARTED.

>> SO YOUR POINT IS YOU WANT MORE THAN ONE CONTROL ON IT. >> YES.

>> THANK YOU. >> I HAVE A QUESTION >> IS THERE ANY CLARITY STAFF CAN BRING TO THIS CONVERSATION ABOUT THE CONTROLS AND COMMISSIONER PUCKHABER'S

CONCERNED? >> MR. PUCKHABER HAS A VALID CONCERN AND ATTENTIVE PLACES NOW. IT'S IN THE WRITTEN LANGUAGE AND IS ON THE MAP.

IF WE TAKE THAT PART OUT OF THE WRITTEN LANGUAGE, AND THEN IT'S JUST A MAP AMENDMENT MAYBE IT WOULD GO THROUGH A LITTLE EASIER. I WOULD SAY THAT RECENTLY.

RECENTLY THERE HAS BEEN ADDITIONAL INTEREST BESIDES THE ONE WE DISCUSSED ON THE PREVIOUS AMENDMENT IN TERMS OF MOVING UP TO HADLEY ROAD. THERE IS ALSO INTEREST ALONG HANLEY ROAD TO ENLARGE OR TO EXPAND ON SOME OF THE COMMERCIAL AREA THAT'S EXISTING THERE. OBVIOUSLY, THE FREEWAY IS COMING AND PEOPLE ARE LOOKING FOR WAYS TO MAKE LARGER AMOUNT OF LAND AVAILABLE FOR COMMERCIAL USES.

>> OKAY. ALL RIGHT. JOE?

>> CAROLYN, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS A QUESTION FOR YOU OR MAYBE FOR SUSAN OR WHATEVER, IN THE ANALYSIS PART OF THIS, THE WINN-DIXIE IS WINN-DIXIE SHOPPING CENTER IS BROUGHT UP AND I KNOW IF YOU DRIVE BACK AND FORTH ON HANLEY, YOU SEE THAT THERE IS A HUGE VACANT LOT ADJACENT TO WHERE THAT WINN-DIXIE IS RIGHT NOW. IS THERE A PLAN TO DEVELOP THAT SPACE RIGHT NOW? OKAY. IF WE ARE DROPPING ALL OF THESE VILLAGE CENTERS ARE THEY GOING TO BE HALF DEVELOPED? WHERE WE WILL SEE AN ANCHOR STORE AND THEN WE WILL SEE A HUGE EMPTY LOT FOR A LONG TIME? THAT WOULD BE A CONCERN BECAUSE

I THINK THAT BECOMES AN EYESORE AS WELL. >> RIGHT.

THAT'S HALF DEVELOPED AT THIS POINT, AND ÃSUSAN, HOLD ON ONE SECOND

>> YOU KNOW, WE ASSUME ÃIT ACTUALLY WAS DESIGNATED COMMERCIAL.

IT'S NOT TECHNICALLY VILLAGE CENTER BUT WHEN YOU HAVE THAT LITTLE STRIP OF LAND, I THINK IT'S SIX ACRES ALTOGETHER AND IT'S ON THE EAST SIDE OF HANLEY ROAD NEXT TO THE SCHOOL.HE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL AS WELL. WE HAVE HAD A COUPLE OF SITE PLAN CONCEPTS COME IN FOR THAT NOTHING ÃWE ENDED UP WITH THE GAS STATION IS ALL WE HAVE DONE SO FAR. AND SO WE HAVE SEVERAL LITTLE PARCELS IN THE VILLAGE CENTER. WE HAVE NOT REALLY GROWN THAT MUCH IN HOUSING OVER THE LAST 10 YEARS OR 12 YEARS I'VE BEEN HERE.

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ALL OF THAT AREA IS MOVING ALONG IN TERMS OF ACTUALLY GETTING NEAR CONSTRUCTION SO THERE WILL BE DEMAND SOON COMPARED TO WHAT WE HAVE HAD OVER THE LAST 12 YEARS

>> I THINK THERE WAS A COMMENT IN THEIR SOMEWHERE IF I READ IT CORRECTLY ABOUT PUTTING IN OTHER WORDS COMPANIES, IF YOU WANT TO CALL THEM BIG BOX OR WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL THEM SO IT'S MORE ACCESSIBLE FOR THE PEOPLE LIVING OUT IN THE AREA AS IT DEVELOPS FOR THAT TO BE,

I THINK A VALID PART OF THAT BUILD UP IN THE AREA >> I GUESS WHAT I'M MOST CONCERNED ABOUT IS THAT THERE ARE NOT VERY MANY LITTLE SHOPS, THAT YOUR WALMART IS YOUR OPTICIAN, IT'S YOUR PHARMACIST, IT'S YOUR FLOWER STORY. SO WE JUST AREN'T GETTING THE NUMBER OF SMALL INEPENDENT JOBS WE USED TO GET AND I DON'T KNOW OUR VILLAGE CENTERS WILL

END UP HAVING THE CHARACTER WE INTENDED THEM TO HAVE YEARS AGO >> WELL, THE STARBUCKS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, DUNKIN' DONUTS, THEY WILL DO WELL NO MATTER WHERE THEY GO.

>> YES. THERE WILL BE SOME LITTLE FILLINGS BUT I THINK WE'RE

GOING TO END UP WITH LARGER BOXES TO MAKE UP THIS AREAS >> DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION?

>> I THINK SHE WANTED TO ADDRESS WHAT I WAS ASKING AND THAT QUESTION, WERE YOU NOT, AS

FAR AS DEVELOPMENT OF THAT PARTICULAR PARCEL? >> ON THE WINN-DIXIE PARCEL.

LET US PREDICT THE MASTER PLAN. IT'S 1985. SO IT'S EXACTLY WHAT CAROLINA SAID. THERE'S NOT A LOT OF HOUSING BUT THERE IS A DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR THE FRONT OF THAT PARCEL IN THEIR MARKETING THAT. I THINK THE DILEMMA IS EXACTLY AS DESCRIBED WILL BE WITH CONVENIENCE, WE WENT AMAZON, WE WANT OUR DOORS TO THE WAY IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IS GOING TO BE DIFFERENT. THEY HAVE A CONTRACT ON THE

WHOLE FIRST PARCEL IN THE BACK IS BEING MARKETED >> IT'S A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY

AS WELL? >> YES. >> THANK YOU.

>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION PURPOSES WHERE DISCUSSION RIGHT NOW.

>> CAN I SAY ONE OTHER THING? THIS IS THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT IN YOUR PACKAGE.

WHAT I AM PROPOSING IS IN THE FOURTH PARAGRAPH SIMPLY RESTORE THE FIRST SENTENCE.

THE REST OF IT CAN BE AS IS. IT WOULD MAKE ME FEEL BETTER BECAUSE I KNOW WHAT'S COMING.

HEAR ME NOW, BELIEVING LATER. THEY ALL WANT TO BE ON HANLEY ROAD AND WE DON'T WANT THEM ON HANLEY ROAD. I AM SIMPLY ÃI WILL PUT IN MOTION ON THE FLOOR IF YOU

WANT. >> IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?

IF THERE IS NONE PLEASE MOVE FORWARD WITH THE MOTION >> I WILL MOVE THE STAFF REPORT WITH THE EXCEPTION THAT THE SENTENCE ÃIT'S THE FIRST SENTENCE IN THE FOURTH PARAGRAPH THAT SAYS THE INTERCHANGE VILLAGE CENTER SHALL BE LOCATED, BUT SENTENCE

BE RESTORED AND OTHER THAN THAT THE STAFF REPORT IS FINE >> ALL THE WAY TO COUNTY ROAD

739? >> CORRECT. >> GIVE ME JUST A SECOND.

OKAY. WE HAVE A FIRST AND A SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?

[5.  Public Hearing on Change to LDC 2020-02 LA IVC Uses]

ITEM NUMBER FIVE TO THE SEPTEMBER MEETING. >> ITEM NUMBER FIVE

>> YES. >> I WAS UNAWARE OF THAT. >> DO WE STILL HAVE TO HAVE A

PUBLIC HEARING? >> WE WILL OPEN IT UP FOR PUBLIC HEARING AND I UNDERSTAND THIS IS GOING TO BE A CONTINUANCE. WE WILL OPEN UP PUBLIC HEARING ON ITEM NUMBER FIVE. THIS IS A CONTINUED ITEM IN PUBLIC HEARING IS OPEN.

I DO HAVE ONE CARD AND I BELIEVE IT'S MR. OTTO. I DON'T SEE YOUR NAME.

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IT'S AT THE END. >> I WOULD RATHER HEAL YOU ALL TALK ABOUT ÃYOU ARE GOING TO TALK ABOUT IT. JAMES OTTO. I JUST ÃI DON'T GET TOO FAR OFF, I WILL JUST PASS ON THIS ONE, THE LAST PUBLIC COMMENT. THANK YOU.

>> ARE THERE ANY OTHER FOLKS FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? SEEING THAT WE WILL CLOSE

PUBLIC COMMENT AND WE WILL BRING IT BACK FOR A MOTION. >> MR. CHAIR, I LIVE ITEM LDC Ã NUMBER FIVE ON THE AGENDA HERE. TO BE HEARD ON SEPTEMBER 1. 17 MORE SOON THEREAFTER AS IT CAN

BE HEARD >> WE HAVE A FIRST AND A SECOND.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY I.

CARRIES. THANK YOU. WE ARE GOING TO MOVE TO OLD

[Old Business/New Business]

COMMISSIONER PUCKHABER BROUGHT UP LAST MONTH ABOUT A NOVEMBER MEETING AND A POTENTIAL CONFLICT WITH THE ELECTION. DO WE HAVE ANY RECOMMENDED WE MOVE THAT MEETING TO THURSDAY OF NEXT WEEK.

>> DO WE HAVE A DATE FOR THAT? >> NOVEMBER 5? WHAT NOVEMBER 5.

>> I DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED TO TAKE A MOTION ON THAT. >> WE ARE GOOD.

>> .GOOD. AND THEN THERE WAS ANOTHER DISCUSSION THAT WE HAD, THE VIRTUAL VERSUS IN PERSON DISCUSSION, AND DID THE GOVERNOR EXTEND TO A 60 DAY?

>>

IF THE GOVERNOR EXTENDS IT FOR VIRTUAL. >> THIS IS SOMETHING I WOULD LIKE TO GET THE VOTE OF THE COMMISSIN ON WHETHER REMOVED TO A VIRTUAL FOR NEXT MONTH OR WE CONTINUE TO DO WHAT WE ARE DOING WHICH IS A SPLIT OPTION. THAT IS OPEN FOR DISCUSSION.

>> AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED IF WE DON'T HAVE ANY RISE OR INCREASE IN COVERED CASES WE NEED TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT, I HAVE NO PROBLEMS COMING TO A MEETING HERE.

>> I WOULD SAY AS LONG AS WE MAINTAIN THIS KIND OF STRUCTURE, I'M OKAY.

>> MARY AND BO, DO YOU HAVE A DOCUMENT >> I WOULD AGREE WITH THE GROUP

AND LEAVE THE OPTION OPEN. >> AND THAT'S MY PREFERENCE PTOO.

THAT WE ARE ABLE TO PROVIDE [INDISCERNIBLE] >> THAT WAY IF SOMEONE IS UNCOMFORTABLE ÃALL RIGHT. I THINK WE DO NEED ÃIT MIGHT BE ME NEXT MONTH.

I THINK WE HAVE TO HAVE THAT OPTION AVAILABLE. >> WE WILL LEAVE IT Ã

>> IS A HYBRID. IN WHAT THE GOVERNOR'S ORDER ALLOWS IS YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE A QUORUM PRESENT SO EVEN IF THE MAJORITY OF YOU WANT TO ATTEND BY TEAMS, WE WILL STILL BE HERE TO RUN IT, AT LEAST SOMEBODY WILL DO IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT THEY CAN COME HERE AND HAVE THAT OPTION. YOU DON'T HAVE TO FEEL

COMPELLED TO COME. >> ANY OTHER OLD BUSINESS OR NEW BUSINESS?

[Public Comment]

HEARING ON, WE WILL OPEN UP THE LAST PUBLIC COMMENT. >> JAMES OTTO.

NOW THAT JA HAS TAKEN OVER PLAY TRANSIT BECAUSE IT WAS MORE IMPORTANT TO BUILD FOOTBALL FIELDS THAT DEAL WITH PLAY TRANSIT WITH THE PRIOR BOARD, WE WILL BE LOOKING TO SEE A LOT MORE ADULT ENTERTAINMENT IN CLAY COUNTY WITH THAT KIND OF TRANSPORTATION IN THE COUNTY.

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IT WILL BE INTERESTING TO SEE. THERE IS A JUNKYARD THAT WAS ON 218 DOWN THE ROAD FROM THE ABOVE PLACE AND I WAS WONDERING IF THE EPA EVER GOT THEM TO CLEAN THAT MESS UP BECAUSE THAT WAS A HUGE JUNKYARD AND WHEN YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT TOWING VEHICLES AND AND RESELLING THEM, THESE PEOPLE ARE TEARING THEM APART IN THE OIL IS GOING ON THE GROUND SO YOU NEED ASPHALT AND CONCRETE OR SOMETHING TO CATCH ALL OF THIS OIL AND TRANSMISSION FLUID AND ALL OF THAT KIND OF STUFF THAT FLEMING ISLAND IS CRYING ABOUT AND BUSINESSES ARE IN THERE TO SELL AUTO PARTS WHICH I DON'T THINK IS RIGHT. IF YOU WANT TO SIT HERE AND SAY THESE PEOPLE ARE RIGHT TO DO WHATEVER THEY WANT OBVIOUSLY THEY DON'T BECAUSE I HAVE TO COME IN FRONT OF THE SPORT TO GET IT APPROVED SO JUST TO SIT HERE ON THIS BOARD AND SAY WE HAVE TO PROVE EVERYTHING, NO YOU DON'T. WE DON'T HAVE CAPACITY ON THESE

ROADS TO BE BUILDING. IT'S A SHAME BECAUSE IT'S Ã >> MR. OTTO YOUR TIME IS UP

>> IT'S A HAZARD FOR THE PEOPLE ON THESE ROADS. >> THANK YOU, MR. OTTO.

>> DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADD? >> I HAVE KIND OF JUST A GENERAL QUESTION. I'M GOING TO GIVE THIS TO YOU BECAUSE I AM JUST CURIOUS ABOUT IT, BUT THIS IS ÃI'VE BEEN HOLDING ONTO THIS BACK IN THE MIDDLE OF MARCH, THERE WAS THIS ARTICLE IN THE TIMES UNION IN THE SUNDAY PAPER AND IT'S A PICTURE, THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT AIRBNB STUFF, BUT IT'S A PICTURE OF BASICALLY WHAT LOOKS LIKE SOMETHING THAT'S SITTING ON THE BACK ARE THEY ARE RENTING OUT AS AN AIRBNB. WHAT HAVE WE GOTTEN THIS COUNTY TO ALLOW OR DISALLOW THIS? IT SEEMS LIKE A GOOD IDEA TO ME.

>> WE HAVE MINIMUM HOUSING SIZE OF 750 SQUARE FEET. IT JUST SEEMED LIKE AN INTERESTING IDEA NOT JUST AIRBNB BUT TO BE SINGLE-PARENT HOUSING OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

>> THAT ISSUE HAS COME UP AND THOSE ARE 350 SQUARE FEET. AT THIS TIME, OTHER THAN A PUD

CLAY COUNTY DOES NOT ALLOW THIS >> THIS REALLY ISN'T A TINY HOME BECAUSE THIS IS MORE LIKE

KIND OF ALMOST LIKE A GARAGE APARTMENT IN SOMEBODY'S YARD >> AND ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS

>> NOT LIKE THAT. DOESN'T SOUND LIKE WE WOULD. >> IT WAS KIND OF AN

INTERESTING THING >> IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE FOR THE GOOD OF THE GROUP? AGAIN, I WANT TO RECOGNIZE COMMISSIONER DAVIS. WELCOME TO THE TEAM IT'S GOOD TO HAVE YOU ON THIS SIDE OF THE

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