May 26, 2020 BCC Agenda

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>> GOOD AFTERNOON, EVERYONE. THIS IS THE FOURTH IN A SERIES

[CALL TO ORDER]

I THINK ALL THE BOARD -- MR. BOLLA, ARE YOU THERE, SIR?

>> YES, I AM, CAN YOU HEAR ME? >> YES, I CAN, MS. HUTCHINS?

MS. HUTCHINS, ARE YOU THERE? >> I AM.

CAN YOU HEAR ME? >> YES, I CAN.

MR. ROLLINS, SIR? >> I'M HERE.

>> AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST, MR. CELLA.

>> I AM HERE, GOOD TO SEE YOU, CHAIRMAN.

>> I THINK WE HAVE EVERYBODY ON BOARD THEN.

THAT WILL SUFFICE AS A ROLL CALL WHEN WE GET DOWN TO IT T. THANK IT.THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENDANC. I'M LOOKING FOR OUR NEXT MEETING, WHICH WILL BE BACK IN PERSON, HOPEFULLY.

SO THE -- LET'S GO AHEAD AND START OUR MEETING IN OUR USUAL FASHION. COMMISSIONER BOLLA WILL GIVE OUR INVOCATION AND THE PLEDGE WILL BE ADMINISTERED BY COMMISSIONER

ROLLINS. >> PLEASE BOW YOUR HEADS.

GOD, OUR FATHER, PLEASE GIVE US THE WISDOM TO KNOW YOUR WILL AND THE COURAGE TO CARRY IT OUT HERE ON EARTH, AMEN.

>> AMEN. JOIN ME IN THE PLEDGE.

I PL PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS.

ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND

JUSTICE FOR ALL. >> THE BCC MEETING FOR MAY 26TH IS NOW CALLED TO ORDER.

AND AS I SAY, THE ROLL CALL HAS ALREADY BEEN EFFECTUATED AND

[Amendment 10 Transition Update - Rob Lemmon]

FIRST, WE HAVE ROB LEMMON, ROB, ARE YOU OUT THERE SOMEWHERE?

>> YES, I'M HERE. >> OKAY.

EXPLANATION ON AMENDMENT 10, TRANSITION UPDATE.

ROB, GO AHEAD, SIR. >> THANK YOU, SIR.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR HAVING ME.

AS YOU SAID, I'M HERE TO GIVE AN UPDATE ON THE TRANSITION AS A RESULT OF AMENDMENT 10, HAVING TO LEAVE THE ACCOUNTING FUNCTIONS OUT OF THE BCC AND THE CLERK'S OFFICE.

THAT WAS WHAT AMENDMENT 10 REQUIRED.

AND MY NAME IS ROBERT LEMMON, I'M A PARTNER WITH CURRY AND INGRAM. THE LAST TIME I PRESENTED, THE BIG THING WE SPOKE ABOUT WAS THE ORGANIZATION CHART AND HOW TO STRUCTURE THE TEAMS ONCE THE DUTIES HAD MOVED.

LET ME START AS WELL BY GIVING YOU THE HEADLINES TO THIS PRESENTATION. WE REALLY DO FEEL WE'RE ON TRACK, THAT WHERE WE WANT TO BE, TO HAVE THINGS MOVED OVER TIMELY. ONCE WE -- AFTER WE PRESENTED THE ORG CHARTS, THE NEXT ACTION THAT THE TEAM AND MANAGEMENT WENT AWAY AND DID WAS TO WORK WITH THE EXISTING STAFF AND CURRENT EMPLOYEES TO MAKE SURE THEY FOUND AN APPROPRIATE SPOT FOR EACH PERSON ON THE NEW ORGANIZATION CHART.

AND THAT PROCESS HAS BEEN COMPLETED SUCCESSFULLY SO THAT'S HAPPENED. SINCE THE CURRENT EMPLOYEES' ROLE, SPOTS WERE FOUND FOR EACH OF THEM, THERE WAS REMAINING OPEN POSITIONS ON THAT PROPOSED ORG CHAT.

CHART. THERE'S TWO OPEN POSITIONS OPEN IN THE PURCHASING FUNCTION AND FOUR IN THE OMB FUNCTION.

JUST CURRENT EMPLOYEES FOR THE ONES THAT WERE MOVED ADDED TO FILL THEIR POSITIONS. THAT'S WHERE WE STAND WITH THE OPEN POSITIONS. AS I SAY, EVERYTHING IS PRETTY WELL ON TRACK. THE BIG PROCESS THAT WE'RE NOW IN THE MIDDLE OF IS REVIEWING AND REVISING AND UPDATING AS NECESSARY THE PROCESSES. BECAUSE, OBVIOUSLY, ONCE THE FUNCTIONS MOVE FROM THE BOARDS TO THE CLERK, THE PROCESSES WILL LOOK A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. WE'VE BROKEN DOWN ALL THE DETAILED PROCESSES THAT NEED TO BE ADDRE ADDRESSED, 22 PROCESSEN TOTAL, OF WHICH 11 THE TRANSITION TEAM HAVE REVISED AND WE HAVE A DRAFT THAT'S COMPLETED AND GOING THROUGH FINAL REVIEWS.

THERE IS A NUMBER OF PROCESSES THAT ARE BEING WORKED ON AND AREN'T YET -- HAVEN'T YET GOT TO FINAL DRAFT STAGE.

THEY'RE STILL IN PROCESS. HALF OF THEM ARE DONE AND DRAFTED IN THE PROCESS. BUT, AGAIN, THE OVERALL MESSAGE BEING WE DO FEEL COMFORTABLE THAT WE'LL FINISH THE REMAINING ONES WITH NICE TIME TO MAKE THE TRANSITION HAPPEN AS PLANNED.

WHICH IS TO, YOU KNOW, HAVE ACCOUNTING FUNCTIONING SWITCHED OVER AT THE START OF 10/1. THAT'S MY QUICK FIVE MINUTE

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QUESTIONS. >> BOARD, DO Y'ALL HAVE ANY

QUESTIONS FOR MR. LEMMON? >> MUTE, WAYNE.

>> I GUESS AFTER THE PROCESS PHASE WE GET INTO THE ACTUAL PART WHERE WE START LOOKING AT THE CHA CHANGES IN POLICIES, IST

STILL ON TRACK? >> YES, YES, THAT IS THE PHASE WE'RE AT NOW. WHERE WE LOOK AT THE CHAWCHGS CD MAKE MODIFICATIONS TO THE PROCESSES.

>> YOU'VE GOT A DRAFT OF THAT DONE ALREADY?

>> YES, SO IT'S -- WE'VE IDENTIFIED 22 DIFFERENT PROCESSES, AND O HALF OF THEM HE A DRAFT READY AND HALF ARE STILL

BEING WORKED ON. >> OKAY.

>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? >> I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

>> I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. >> I'M GOOD, CHAIRMAN.

I WOULD JUST SAY THAT ROB AND HIS GROUP HAVE DONE GREAT JOB.

IT'S A LONG JOURNEY FROM WHERE WE STARTED TO WHERE WE NEED TO BE AT SOME POINT BY THE END OF THIS YEAR.

AND SO THERE'S STILL A LOT OF HEAVY LIFTING TO DO IN TERMS OF FILLING THOSE POSITIONS, TRAINING PEOPLE, AND THEN, OF COURSE, FINISHING OUT THESE PROCESSES.

ROB, MAYBE JUST AS AN EXAMPLE, GIVE US SOMETHING THAT -- ONE OF THE PROCESSES YOU THINK HAS BEEN REWRITTEN TO EVERYBODY'S SATISFACTION. JUST SORT OF AN OVERVIEW REAL

QUICK. >> YES, SO THE BEST EXAMPLE WOULD BE THE PAYROLL PROCESS.% WE STARTED WITH THAT BECAUSE IT'S SO CRUCIAL. AND THE PROCESS WE WENT THROUGH WAS TO OBVIOUSLY BUILD OFF OF WHAT EXISTED AND THEN REVIEW THAT IN DETAIL AND MODIFY IT TO THE NEW STRUCTURE.

SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S ONE OF THE ONES THAT HAS BEEN -- WE TOOK AS A PRIORITY AND GOT THAT ALL THE WAY TO THE POINT WHERE AS LONG AS THE TRANSITION TEAM HAS REVIEWED THE REVISED PROCESS, IT'S GOING TO FIT. IT'S GOT FROM AN AUDIT PERSPECTIVE GOOD CONTROLS IN PLACE AND SEGREGATION OF DUTIES AS NEEDED. THAT ONE GOT ALL THE WAY TO THE

FINISH LINE. >> VERY GOOD, THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU, ROB. WE APPRECIATE YOUR DILIGENCE ON THIS PROJECT. WE WILL BE IN TOUCH WITH YOU IN THE NEAR FUTURE I'M SURE. MOVING ON TO THE DARK FIBER

[Update on Clay County School District's Fiber Project - Troy Nagle]

>> YES, SIR. >> ALL RIGHT, GO FOR IT.

>> LET ME SEE IF I CAN PULL THIS UP.

WHAT YOU'RE SEEING ON YOUR SCREEN RIGHT NOW IS A MAP THAT THE SCHOOL BOARD PROVIDED, SHOWING THE CURRENT PHASES OF THE FIBER PROJECT. CURRENTLY, THEY'VE GOT ABOUT 95% OF THE PROJECT FIELD ENGINEERED. THEY ARE MOVING THROUGH THE PROCESS AND ABOUT 9% OF THAT IS CONSTRUCTED.

THEY ARE AHEAD OF SCHEDULE. THEY HOPEFULLY WILL BE PULLING IN THE PROJECTS THAT WERE SUPPOSED TO BE DONE IN 2021 TO

THE END OF 2020. >> A I CAN TRY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU GUYS HAVE.

>> TROY, IS THIS -- CAN I TALK? >> GO AHEAD, GO AHEAD, WAYNE.

>> IS THIS A MAP OF WHAT THE FINAL PROJECT WILL LOOK LIKE

WHEN IT'S COMPLETED? >> YES, SIR.

>> OKAY. AT LEAST ALL THE PHASES ARE IDENTIFIED AND THEY'RE MOVING ALONG.

>> THIS IS A COLOR CODED MATCH SHOWING THE STATUS OF EACH PIECE

OF FIBER THEY'RE PUTTING UP. >> OKAY.

>> TROY, IF YOU COULD RECAP THE MONEY ON THIS PROJECT.

>> I DO NOT KNOW WHAT THEIR FINAL BID WAS, THAT WAS DONE BY

THE SCHOOL BOARD. >> OKAY.

VERY GOOD. >> THIS IS COMMISSIONER ROLLINS.

I WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M READING THIS CORRECTLY.

THE ORANGE IS 99% FIELDED MEANING IT'S ALREADY LAID?

>> NO, FIELDING MEANS THEY'VE DONE THE ENGINEERING IN THE FIELD. THEY'VE GONE OUT AND DONE ALL THE FIELDWORK FOR IT. WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR AS COMPLETED IS ANYTHING THAT'S IN GREEN.

THE 9% THAT'S IN GREEN IS WHAT'S COMPLETED AND THEN THE DARKER BLUISH COLOR, WHICH IS 34% OF ALL THE PROJECT, 34% OF THE -- HAS RECEIVED ALL THE PERMITS SO THEY CAN START CONSTRUCTION.

>> SO THE PURPLE AND ORANGE THEN, THOSE ARE WHERE LINES ARE GOING TO GO AND THERE'S A CHANCE THAT BY THE END OF 2021 THOSE

WILL BE COMPLETED? >> I WOULD EXPECT MOST OF THAT TO BE DONE BEFORE THE END OF TW2020, FIRST QUARTER OF 2021.

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>> IN YOUR OPINION, OBVIOUSLY WE'RE SPECULATING, BUT IF THOSE ADDITIONAL LINES ARE RIN THAT IT MAKES IT EASIER FOR OTHER COMPANIES TO COME IN, LIKE INTERNET SERVICE PROVIDERS, TO COME IN AND OFFER INTERNET TO OUTLYING AREAS?

>> RIGHT, THE BUREAU IS A RESELLER OF FIBER.

THE COMPANY THAT'S DOING THE THE INSTALLATION, THAT'S THEIR

OBJECTIVE IS TO RESELL FIBER. >> OKAY.

>> TROY, THERE WAS AN ISSUE AT ONE POINT WITH GREEN COVE SPRINGS AND PERMITTING, IS THAT RESOLVED?

>> MY UNDERSTANDING FROM THEM IS THAT THAT'S ALL BEEN RESOLVED.

>> OKAY. >> IS THERE ANYTHING THAT WE CAN DO IN TERMS OF ENCOURAGING THE SERVICE PROVIDERS TO, YOU KNOW,

EXPAND COVERAGE? >> I THINK WE WOULD JUST NEED TO -- IF SOMEBODY IS INTERESTED IN BRINGING SERVICE INTO CLAY COUNTY, CONNECT THEM WITH VERO SO THEY CAN HAVE CONVERSATIONS.

BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY THEY'RE GOING TO OWN ANY PART OF FIBER THEY'RE GOING TO PUT IN THE GROUND WHILE THEY'RE DOING

THE SCHOOL BOARD PROJECT. >> SO BUT THE INTERNET -- I MEAN, COMCAST OR WHOEVER WOULD PROVIDE THE SERVICE, THEY KNOW V VERO, SO THEY'LL BE AWARE THAT THEY'RE LAYING FIBER, CORRECT?

>> RIGHT. IF NOT, I'VE GOT ALL VERO'S CONTACT INFORMATION. I CAN PROVIDE IT TO THE COMMISSIONERS. IF YOU'RE PROVIDING IT TO ABC INTERNET COMPANY, YOU CAN PASS THE BUREAU'S INFORMATION ON TO

THEM. >> OKAY, COOL.

>> IS IT OUT OF THE QUESTION TO ADVERTISE?

>> I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT WOULD WORK.

2458THAT WOULD BE A CONVERSATION WE'D HAVE TO HAVE WITH THE

BUREAU. >> WHY DON'T YOU LOOK INTO THAT? I WOULDN'T BE OPPOSED TO LOOKING FOR SOME MONEY TO ADVERTISE FOR

PROVIDERS. >> I'LL REACH OUT TO THEM.

>> MY THOUGHT IS ALONG WITH THAT, WAYNE.

RATHER THAN JUST ADVERTISE, WE KNOW THERE'S A CERTAIN NUMBER OF PROVIDERS. ISN'T THERE A WAY FOR US TO REACH OUT DIRECTLY TO THEM IN COOPERATION WITH THE SCHOOL BOARD TO LET THEM KNOW THAT WOULD BE AVAILABLE AND WHAT THE TIMING IS? WE'LL NEED TO PROMOTE THAT BY SORT OF PUSHING IT ALONG A LITTLE BIT.

WHEN I SAY ADVERTISE -- >> RIGHT, I GOT YOU.

>> CONNECT THE DOTS, RIGHT? >> WE NEED TO AGGRESSIVELY GET BEHIND VERO'S EFFORTS HERE AND TELL THEM THAT WE'RE WILLING TO PUT OUR DOG IN THE FIGHT AS WELL TO GET THIS THING BUILT OUT AS QUICKLY AS WE CAN. MY OPINION.

>> THERE'S SOME PUSH AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL TO TRY TO -- THERE ARE ALREADY -- THE DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE ALREADY HAS DONE SOME RURAL INTERNET GRANTS. AND THERE'S A PUSH TO EXPAND THAT WITH POSSIBLE STIMULUS BILLS.

THAT'S COMMISSIONER CELLA. >> ALSO A STATE EFFORT ON THE PART OF THE ATTORNEY GENERAL, ACTUALLY COMBINED WITH 38 OTHER ATTORNEY GENERALS TO PUSH PROVIDERS TO PROVIDING INTERNET SERVICE CLAIMING, RIGHTLY SO, THAT IT'S NO LONGER A LUXURY TO HAVE THIS SERVICE AS IT HAD BEEN IN.

IT'S A NECESSITY IN THIS DAY AND AGE ESPECIALLY WHEN WE'RE SEQUESTERING KIDS AWAY FROM SCHOOL.

THE ONLY WAY WE CAN GET TO THEM IS OVER THE INTERNET.

MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING WITH THE HELP OF OUR COUNTY MANAGER, MAYBE WE CAN REACH OUT TO THE ATTORNEY GENERAL AND SEE IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT WE CAN PROVIDE IN TERMS OF LOCAL SUPPORT LETTER OR SOMETHING TO HELP HER EFFORTS.

>> SO NOTED. ALL GOOD IDEAS.

ANYTHING ELSE FOR MR. NAGLE? TROY, THANK YOU.

STAY ON TOP OF THIS. ANYTHING YOU CAN SEE OUT THERE THAT IN YOUR OPINION WE NEED TO BE DOING, PLEASE CALL IT TO OUR ATTENTION. THANK YOU AGAIN.

[11.  FDOT Transfer and Maintenance Agreement-First Coast Expressway Piers (Shands Bridge)]

MR. DRIGERGERS ON BOARD? >> YES, SIR, I'M ON THE LINE.

YES, SIR, CAN YOU HEAR ME? >> YES, YES, MR. DRIGGERS?

>> YES, SIR. >> ALL RIGHT, SIR.

GO RIGHT AHEAD. WE WERE JUST LOOKING FOR YOU TO GIVE US A SYNOPSIS, AN UPDATE ON THE EXPRESSWAY, SIR.

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SO GO AHEAD AND SPEAK TO US. >> BEFORE I DIVE INTO THE MATTER AT HAND, WHICH IS SPECIFIC TO THE PIERS, SHANDS BRIDGE, I FIGURED I'D TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE A STATUS UPDATE ON THE PROJECTS THAT ARE ACTIVE IN CONSTRUCTION IN CLAY COUNTY. SPECIFICALLY THE FIRST COAST EXPRESSWAY AND THOSE THAT ARE PLANNED.

THE FIRST I'D LIKE TO TALK ABOUT THE IS THE FIRST COAST EXPRESSWAY THAT RUNS FROM STATE ROAD 21 DOWN TO STATE ROAD 16.

AND THE SECOND SEGMENT WHICH RUNS DOWN FROM STATE ROAD 16, U.S. 17. BOTH OF THOSE PROJECTS ARE ON SCHEDULE. THEY'RE 20% ON TIME COMPLETION.

AND THEY'RE STILL ON PACE TO BE COMPLETED BY THE FALL OF 2024.

THOSE ARE ACTIVE IN CONSTRUCTION.

AS FAR AS PLANNED PROJECTS, THE FIRST ONE WE HAVE IS WHAT WE'RE REPRESENTING TODAY, THE SHANDS BRIDGE REPLACEMENT.

THE LIMITS RUN FROM U.S. 17 TO COUNTY ROAD 16A.

IT'S SLATED TO GO TO CONSTRUCTION IN THE FALL OF '21, AND IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE ANYWHERES FROM SIX TO A EIGHT YEARS, DEPENDING ON WEATHER, HOLIDAYS, THAT NAMP.

NATURE. AND ALSO THE PIERING WILL MAKE THE CONNECTION. IT'S SLATED TO GO INTO CONSTRUCTION IN THE FALL OF '22. BOTH OF THESE COMPL WILL BE OPEO THE PUBLIC BY 2030. THAT'S KIND OF A QUICK UPDATE OF THE PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE PLANNED SPECIFIC TO THE FIRST COAST EXPRESSWAY. ONCE THESE FOUR WILL COMPLETED YOU'LL HAVE THE FULL CONNECTION FROM I-10 TO I-95 FOR DUVAL,

CLAY, AND ST. JOHNS COUNTIES. >> YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT CARS ON

THE ROAD TRAVELING, RIGHT? >> YES, SIR, THAT'S THE FULL FIRST COAST EXPRESSWAY IS OPEN TO FULL CONNECTION.

2030. >> JUST FROM A CASUAL OBSERVE, JAMIE, IT LOOKS LIKE THE FLYOVERS ARE WAY AHEAD OF EVERYTHING ELSE, IS THAT FAIR TO SAY?

>> YES, SIR THAT'S TYPICALLY THE WAY IT HAPPENS.

THEY'LL BUILD THE MAJOR STRUCTURES AND THEN THEY'LL GET INTO THE ROADWORK AND TIE IN THE CONNECTIONS TO THE STRUCTURES.

IT'S MOVING ALONG VERY WELL. ALONG WITH ME, I HAVE THE DESIGN TEAM, THEY'RE DIALED IN SO IF WE WANT SPECIFIC DETAILED QUESTIONS THEY CAN HELP ME AS WELL ON THAT.

>> JAMIE, WHEN IS PHASE TWO, LIKE THROUGH MOST OF OUR COUNTY GOING TO BE COMPLETE TO OPEN UP TO TRAFFIC?

>> YOU'LL HAVE -- FROM THE STATE ROAD 21 CONNECTION DOWN TO U.S.

17, WE'RE LOOKING AT FALL OF 2024 OPENING.

AND THEN THE BRIDGE ITSELF WILL GO TO CONSTRUCTION IN THE FALL OF '21 AND THAT'S A SUBSTANTIAL STRUCTURE, SO IT'S GOING TO TAKE ANYWHERE BETWEEN SIX TO EIGHT YEARS TO BUILD, JUST BECAUSE OF THE MAGNITUDE OF THE PROJECT. WHICH INTRODUCES THE CONVERSATION OF THE DAY, WHICH IS SPECIFIC TO FOLLOWING UP ON CONVERSATIONS FROM SEVERAL YEARS AGO -- BASICALLY A HANDSHAKE AGREEMENT TO LEAVE PORTIONS OF THE EXISTING SHANDS BRIDGE STRUCTURE FOR RECREATIONAL USE. AND THAT IS THE AGREEMENT BEING INTRODUCED. I'VE ACTUALLY PROVIDED MR. SMITH SOME EXHIBITS AND SOME OF THE INVESTMENT OPPORTUNITIES THE DEPARTMENT IS WILLING TO MAKE IN THESE STRUCTURES.

THIS CONVERSATION WITH CLAY COUNTY IS PARALLEL WITH ST. JOHNS COUNTY AS WELL. IT'S A CONSENT ITEM TO BE INTRODUCED NEXT WEEK TO ST. JOHNS COUNTY.

IN ESSENCE, WHAT WILL HAPPEN IS PART OF THE NEW SHANDS BRIDGE WHEN IT'S BUILT OUT, THE REMAINDERS OF THE OLD BRIDGES WILL BE LEFT AND IT WILL MAKE IMPROVEMENTS TO THE ROA ROADWAY INFRASTRUCTURE. WE NEED TO PUT -- BASICALLY WE'LL PROVIDE A FOOTPRINT FOR THE COUNTY TO DO AS THEY WISH FOR THESE STRUCTURES. I DON'T KNOW, DALE, IF YOU HAVE THAT EXHIBIT THAT YOU CAN SHOW THE RENDERING.

I THINK THAT TELLS THE STORY BETTER THAN I CAN EXPLAIN.

>> SINCE THESE PROJECTS ARE -- WE JUST -- GOING TO THE -- DIFFICULTIES. ARE WE OKAY NOW?

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DALE, CAN YOU HEAR ME? >> I CAN HEAR YOU NOW, SIR

>> OKAY, LET'S GO AHEAD AND COVER ITEM 11, DALE, WHILE WE'VE GOT JAMIE ON BOARD AND DO IT ALL AT ONCE

>> WHAT YOU'VE GOT BEFORE YOU IS THE TRANSFER AND MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT FOR THE PORTION OF THE BRIDGE THAT D.O.T. IS LEAVING, THE SHANDS BRIDGE. JAMIE'S ALREADY TALKED TO YOU ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT THEY'RE PUTTING IN FOR THE IMPROVEMENTS, WHICH IS THE PAVING, THE PARKING LOT AND THE SIDEWALKS. AND I KNOW YOU HAVE THREE GRAPHICS WE CAN PULL UP. AND I THINK EITHER TROY OR NICK IS GOING TO PULL THOSE THREE GRAPHICS UP.

YOU CAN SEE EXACTLY WHAT D.O.T. IS DOING.

THIS IS -- IT'S AN AGREEMENT, IT'S A ONE-YEAR AGREEMENT WITH AN AUTOMATIC RENEWAL. I SEE THE GRAPHIC COMING UP.

OKAY. THIS IS AN AERIAL PHOTOGRAPHY WITH THE IMPROVEMENT SHOWN ON IT.

YOU CAN SEE THE LARGE CUL-DE-SAC, THEY'RE PUTTING IN ANGLED PARKING OFF THE ROADWAY. AND THEN THE SIDEWALKS WILL GET TO THE PIER. THE PIER IS GOING TO BE 1,000 FEET LONG. AND WE HAD MEASURED IT ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF AGO. THERE WILL BE SIX TO EIGHT FEET OF WATER AT THE END OF THE PIER. I WANT TO SHOW THE NEXT GRAPHIC.

THIS IS ANOTHER THAT ACTUALLY SHOWS THE 23 AND THEN THE BRIDGE IN VERY LIGHT LINES. THIS WILL SHOW YOU ALL THE ROADWAY IMPROVEMENTS THAT THEY'RE MAKING.

AS YOU CAN SEE THERE'S A SIDEWALK THAT'S COMING ALL THE WAY FROM THE ORIGINAL 16 DOWN TO THE PIER.

SO IT WILL BE A VERY ACCESSIBLE STRUCTURE FOR US.

AND YOU CAN SEE THE LIGHT BLUE LINE TO THE LEFT WILL SHOW YOU EXACTLY HOW FAR OUT THE PIER WILL EXTEND INTO THE ST. JOHNS

RIVER >> THAT'S THE NEW ALIGNMENT?

>> RIGHT, THE LIGHT LINES JUST -- IT'S ACTUALLY TO THE SOUTH, BUT TO THE TOP OF THIS PAGE, THAT'S THE NEW ALIGNMENT FOR THE BRIDGE AND THE BELTWAY. AND IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE BRIDGE ITSELF WILL BE FREE AND THE TOLL ROAD WILL BE ON EITHER SIDE OF THE BRIDGE. AND WE CAN DO THE NEXT GRAPHIC NOW. AND THIS IS A RENDERING THAT THEY HAVE PROVIDED TO US. IT'S FROM THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY SIDE. I DON'T KNOW IF NICK CAN ZOOM INTO IT. YOU'LL SEE OUR PORTION, YOU KNOW. AND, YOU KNOW, SO THAT'S THE PIER. THAT'S THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY SIDE, YOU'RE LOOKING AT OURS IS ACTUALLY ON THE FAR SIDE. THIS IS A RENDERING OF WHAT THE BRIDGE WILL LOOK LIKE WITH OUR PIER NEXT TO IT. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS?

>> HOW LONG DO THEY THINK IT WILL TAKE THEM TO GET THAT ONCE THEY DO THE CUTOVER TRAFFIC WISE FROM THE OLD BRIDGE TOOL THE NEW BRIDGE, HOW LONG WILL THEY TAKE TO GET IT READY FOR US SO WE CAN

ASSUME CONTROL? >> I'M GLAD JAMIE'S ON THE LINE.

JAMIE, DO YOU KNOW THAT OR ONE OF YOUR EXPERTS?

>> I KNOW IT'S DOWN THE ROAD. OBVIOUSLY WE'RE TALKING AFTER

2030. >> RIGHT.

JAMIE? >> I'M SORRY.

YES, SIR HAD TO STAR 6, I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT.

THE CONSTRUCTION DURATION IS BASED ON A SIX-YEAR PROJECTION, BUT IF YOU COULD CONSIDER WEATHER DAY AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE, IT COULD BE AS LONG AS EIGHT YEARS.

WE'RE STILL TALKING -- IF IT GOES TO CONSTRUCTION -- THE FALL OF '21. WE'RE STILL TALKING SIX YEARS AN A MINIMUM BEFORE IT'S OPEN TO TRAFFIC

>> OKAY. SO THAT'S FOR THE BRIDGE.

AND THEN WHEN WOULD THE PIER BE AVAILABLE FOR THE COUNTY'S USE?

>> MOST LIKELY WE'D GET TRAFFIC ON THE NEW BRIDGE BEFORE WE

DEMOED THE OLD STRUCTURE. >> MUST BE AN ENGINEER.

>> SEEMS SIMPLE TO ME. DON'T CUT OFF THE OLD ONE UNTIL

YOU'RE READY WITH THE NEW ONE >> DALE, COULD YOU GO --

>> HOW LONG THEY'RE KNO GOING TO TAKE -- IS IT GOING TO BE A

COUPLE YEARS? >> I'D SEE IT'S FIVE YEARS FROM

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THE WAY THE PROCESS WORKS, THE AGREEMENT IS REINFORCING ONCE THE PROJECT IS ACCEPTED, THE RIRIGHT OF WAY AND MAINTENANCE RESPONSIBILITY WILL BE TRANSFERRED TO THE COUNTY.

> JUST BARELY, COMMISSIONER. >> IF YOU WOULD, GO AHEAD AND SPEAK TO THE TRANSFER OF MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT, DALE

>> YES, SIR. LIKE I SAID, THIS IS A ONE-YEAR AGREEMENT WITH AN AUTOMATIC ANNUAL RENEWAL TO IT.

AND THE COUNTY WILL BE RESPONSIBLE TO MAINTAIN THE ROADWAY THAT THEY'RE BUILDING, THE CUL-DE-SAC, THE PARKING, THE SIDEWALKS AND MAINTENANCE ON THAT 1,000 FOOT OF THE OLD BRIDGE STRUCTURE ITSELF. YOU KNOW, BRIDGES ARE DESIGNED TO LAST ABOUT 50 YEARS. YOU KNOW, UNDER THE HIGHWAY TRAFFIC, WE SHOULD HAVE PLENTY OF LIFE WITHIN THE BRIDGE ITSELF. THE PARKING LOT AND THE ROADWAY, WE ALL KNOW ASPHALT HAS ABOUT A 25 TO 30 YEAR PROCESS BEFORE YOU

HAVE TO RESURFACE IT. >> AND I'M ASSUMING ST. JOHNS COUNTY IS DOING THE SAME THING ON THEIR SIDE OF THE RIVER, IS

THAT CORRECT? >> JAMIE?

>> I THINK HE MENTIONED THAT IT'S ON THEIR CONSENT AGENDA FOR

NEXT WEEK. >> THAT IS CORRECT.

ST. JOHNS COUNTY IS IN AGREEMENT >> AS LONG AS YOU'RE THERE, ARE THERE ANY STEPS WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT TO KEEP US FROM GETTING INTO THE SAME SITUATION WE WERE WITH THE LAST ONE?

>> O OTHER THAN CONTINUING TO MAINTAIN IT.

GET OUT OF THE WAY OF STORMS. >> THEY SPOKE ABOUT IT.

AND THIS IS CONSTRUCTED A LOT DIFFERENTLY THAN THE PREVIOUS ONE BECAUSE IT IS CONCRETE. AND THE MAINTENANCE COST WILL BE

A LOT LESS. >> THE ENTIRE BRIDGE IS ABOVE THE 100 YEAR FLOOD. THE OLD TIMBER BRIDGE THAT WAS ACROSS THE RIVER WAS WELL WITHIN THE 100 YEAR FLOOD, ESPECIALLY WHAT IRMA DID. I JUST HAD TO ASK.

>> YEAH. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSIONS, FOLKS? WE NEED APPROVAL FOR THIS TRANSFER OF MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT, IS THAT CORRECT?

>> YES, SIR. >> WAYNE, GO AHEAD

>> AUTOMATIC PROVAL >> APPROVAL

>> SECOND >> FURTHER DISCUSSION OR QUESTIONS? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

WE NEED A ROLL VOTE ON THIS. MR. BOLLA,

>> AYE >> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS?

>> A WRYE >> COMMISTHAT PASSED.

LET'S GO BACK TO OUR AGENDA. APPROVAL OF MINUTES FROM MAY 12.

[1.  May 12, 2020 BCC Minutes]

PLEASURE OF THE BOARD? >> MOVE APPROVAL

>> SECOND. >> MR. CELLA?

AYE >> MR. BOLA?

AE >> MS. HUTCHINS? AYE. AND THE CHAIRMAN VOTES AYE, SO

[2.  April 28, 2020 BCC Minutes (Revision)]

THIS IS A REVISION ONLY IN THE MINUTES.

THERE WAS A MISSTATEMENT IN THE AMOUNTS ON OUR LAST MINUTES SO WE'RE ACTUALLY JUST CORRECTING THEM TO REFLECT WHAT WE ACTUALLY VOTED ON IN OUR LAST BCC MEETING.

WHICH WAS THE SOFTWARE AGREEMENT WITH TYLER TECHNOLOGIES.

CAN I HAVE A MOTION? >> MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE

ADJUSTMENT. >> SECOND.

>> ALL RIGHT. COMMISSIONER CELLA?

>> AYE >> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS

>> AYE >> AND THE CHAIRMAN VOTES IN FAVOR, ALSO. THANK YOU.

DOWN TO PUBLIC COMMENTS, AND I WOULD JUST SAY WE HAVE A NUMBER

[PUBLIC COMMENTS]

WE WOULD CERTAINLY ENTERTAIN PUBLIC COMMENTS ON ANY OTHER TOPIC NOW THAT THE PUBLIC MAY WISH TO SPEAK ON.

DO WE HAVE ANYONE ONLINE? >> YES, SIR, WE HAVE CARRIE

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COLLINS. >> OKAY.

CARRIE? >> GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS. CAN EVERYONE HEAR ME OKAY?

>> YES, MA'AM. YES, MA'AM.

>> OKAY, WONDERFUL. MY NAME IS CARRIE COLLINS, I'M A CLAY COUNTY RESIDENT AND I RESIDE AT 6446 BROOKLYN BAY ROAD IN KEYSTONE HEIGHTS, FLORIDA. I AM CALLING IN TO JUST COMMENT ON THE COVID-19 AND IN GENERAL THE RESPONSE OF THE COUNTY, WHICH IS UNDER THE CONTROL OF THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS. ON APRIL 24TH, I E-MAILED ALL THE COMMISSIONERS REGARDING FULLY OPENING THE COUNTY, HADCINCLUDING, LIBRARIES, PARKS, SMALL BUSINESSES ET CETERA.

CLAY COUNTY I BELIEVE NEEDS TO OPEN FULLY EFFECTIVE AS OF MAY 30TH, 2020. THERE ARE A LOT OF REASONS WHYB I BELIEVE THIS IS NECESSARY. BUT A REASON, AS THE CHOICES BEING MADE BY THE COUNTY ARE NOW AFFECTING FOURTH OF JULY CELEBRATIONS AS WELL COUNTY WIDE AND CITIES.

AND I BELIEVE THAT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, THE CITIZENS OF CLAY COUNTY, HAVE A RIGHT TO CHOOSE FOR THEMSELVES WHETHER THEY ARE GOING TO GO OUT AND PARTICIPATE OR NOT.

NEWS REPORTS SAY THE UNIVERSITY AT ORLANDO WILL BEGIN REOPENING JUNE 5TH. KIDS YOUTH ACTIVITIES HAVE BEEN SANCTIONED BY THE GOVERNOR EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY TO RESUME.

38 OF 55 COUNTIES ARE HOLDING PUBLIC MEETINGS IN PERSON.

AS A CHARTER COUNTY, CLAY COUNTY HOLDS A GREATER RESPONSIBILITY TO ITS CITIZENS PER THE FLORIDA HOME RULE POWERS ACT WHICH WAS ADOPTED BY THE LEGISLATURE AND VOTED ON BY THE CITIZENS.

SO I'LL RESERVE THE REMAINDER OF ANY COMMENTS THAT I FEEL ARE NECESSARY TO BE MADE FOR THE LAST PUBLIC COMMENTS SECTION.

I WOULD URGE THE BOARD TO FULLY OPEN UP THE COUNT AA AS OF MAY 30TH, WHICH IS THE TENICT EXTENSION OF AN EMERGENCY ORDER.

AND I MEAN, IT'S HARD TO SUPPORT THE REASONING THAT AN EMERGENCY ORDER COULD NEED TEN EXTENSIONS. AND I SAY THAT FROM A COMMONSENSE STANDPOINT AS WELL AS A LEGAL STANDPOINT.

I'LL RESERVE THE REMAINDER OF ANY COMMENTS I FEEL THAT ARE NECESSARY FOR THE END. I UNDERSTAND YOU HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION. HAVE A GOOD AFTERNOON.

>> THANK YOU FOR THOSE COMMENTS, MS. COLLINS.

DO WE WANT TO RESPOND TO THIS NOW OR DURING YOUR COMMENTS,

WHICH WILL BE YOUR PREFERENCE? >> IN MY COMMENTS

>> THE COUNTY MANAGER IS GOING TO SPEAK TO THAT, MS. COLLINS.

HE'S BEEN ON TOP OF THIS SINCE DAY ONE.

HE'LL HAVE HOPEFULLY SOME INFORMATION TO SHARE WITH US TOWARD THE END OF THE MEETING. SO THE NEXT CALL IN, DO WE HAVE

SOMEONE ELSE? >> NO ONE ELSE HAS CALLED IN FOR

PUBLIC COMMENT NUMBER ONE >> OKAY, GOOD.

WE CAN MOVE RIGHT ALONG THEN INTO THE CONSENT AGENDA, WHICH

[CONSENT AGENDA]

>> MOVE APPROVAL >> SECOND

>> MOTION AND A SECOND. COMMISSIONER BOLLA?

COMMISSIONER BOLLA? >> DID WE LOSE HIM?

>> OH, I JUST KEEP MUTING MYSELF.

AYE >> COMMISSIONER CELLA?

>> AYE >> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS?

>> AYE >> COMCOMMISSIONER HUTCHINS.

[5.  Continued discussion regarding the Property Assessment Clean Energy (PACE) Program and Interlocal Subscription Agreement Relating to the Funding and Financing of Qualifying Improvements by the Florida Pace Funding Agency]

>> AYE >> THE PACE PROGRAM, AND AN INTERLOCAL SUBSCRIPTION AGREEMENT RELATING TO THE FUNDING AND FINANCING OF QUALIFYING IMPROVEMENTS BY THE FLORIDA FACE FUNDING AGENCY. I KNOW WE HAVE A NUMBER OF FOLKS HERE TO SPEAK WITH US TODAY. I WOULD JUST REMIND US THAT WE'RE ALL UNDER TIME CONSTRAINTS. THREE MINUTES.

I KNOW COMMISSIONER CELLA HAS BEEN TAKING A LEAD ON A LOT OF THIS. IS THERE ANYTHING YOU NEED TO KIND OF SHARE WITH US TO GIVE US AN OVERVIEW AND THEN WE'LL GO

INTO OUR PUBLIC COMMENTS? >> I DON'T THINK SO, MR. CHAIRMAN. WE DISCUSSED IT THE PAST COUPLE OF MEETINGS. THE COUNTY ATTORNEY WAS READIC

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I WOULD BELIEVE A NUMBER OF FOLKS IN PACE AND THEN WE'VE GOT SOME FOLKS ON THE REALTOR SIDE AND ALSO A LEGAL AID ATTORNEY THAT WILL GIVE US A RUNDOWN OPPOSITE OF WHAT THE FOLKS AT PACE WILL BE. OF COURSE, I HAVE MY OWN COMMENTS BUT I'LL RESERVE THOSE TILL THE END.

THAT'S WHERE WE ARE NOW IN SORT OF A NUTSHELL AS TO WHAT WE'RE

LOOKING AT CURRENTLY >> THANK YOU.

WE'LL GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED WITH THIS.

WE HAVE BOTH PRO AND CON. I DECIDED TO GO WITH THE PRO PROPACE GROUP FIRST. LEAVING THE SECOND GROUP, THOSE THAT ARE OPPOSED TODAY IT, I GUESS THAT WOULD BE REBUTTAL FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM. WHO D DO WE HAVE FROM THE PACE

GROUP? >> IT WOULD BE JIM TO START OFF

>> OKAY, JIM, ARE YOU ON, BROTHER?

JIM? >> PRESS STAR 6 TO UNMUTE.

>> IF YOU CAN HEAR ME, PRESS STAR 6 TO UNMUTE.

>> THERE WE GO. CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW?

>> YES, YOU'RE GOOD TO GO. YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES, SIR.

>> OKAY, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE OPPORTUNITY.

VERY APPRECIATIVE TO HAVE SOME TIME TO TALK ON BEHALF OF THE PROGRAM. I WORK FOR FLORIDA HOME IMPROVEMENT AND ASSOCIATES. AND HAVE FOR THE LAST 13 YEARS.

I THINK NOW MORE THAN EVER THE PACE PROGRAM IS ONE IN WHICH HAS TREMENDOUS VALUE FOR HOMEOWNERS. AND I SAY THAT BECAUSE I THINK WE CAN AGREE THAT MANY OF THE RESIDENTS, THEIR MOST PRECIOUS ASSET IS OUTSIDE OF THEIR FAMILY MEMBERS, RIGHT, THEIR HOME.

WHAT WE'RE SEEING ARE CONVENTIONAL, TRADITIONAL LENDERS, BANKS ARE MAKING IT MUCH MORE DIFFICULT THAN EVER BEFORE FOR FOLKS TO GET FINANCING.

SO HOMEOWNERS THAT FIND THEMSELVES IN CIRCUMSTANCES, IN MANY CASES, NOT BECAUSE OF ANY DECISIONS THAT THEY'VE MADE.

CERTAINLY WE KNOW HOW THIS PANDEMIC HAS AFFECTED FOLKS SO ADVERSELY ECONOMICALLY. THE PACE PROGRAM IS A LIFELINE AND WITHOUT IT THEY WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO MAKE THE NECESSARY IMPROVEMENTS TO PROTECT THEIR ASSET, PROTECT THEIR LOVED ONES.

AND I THINK MORE THAN EVER, GOD FORBID IF A HURRICANE WERE TO COME AND FOLKS WERE DISPLACED, WHERE WOULD THEY GO? IN THIS WORLD OF SOCIAL DISTANCING AND ALL OF THE OTHER ISSUES THAT WE'RE FACING, I THINK IT WOULD BE A BIG MISTAKE TO TAKE THIS PROGRAM AWAY FROM YOUR RESIDENTS.

WE'VE SEEN FIRST-HAND HOW IT'S BEEN SO POSITIVE FOR PEOPLE THAT ORDINARILY WOULD HAVE NO OTHER WAY TO MAKE THE NECESSARY ENHANCEMENTS IN THEIR MOST PRECIOUS ASSETS.

SO I REALLY WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO REALLY CONSIDER WHAT THIS PROGRAM IS ALLOWING YOUR RESIDRESIDENTS TO DO.

I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. >> OKAY.

THANK YOU. OUR NEXT SPEAKER?

>> NATHAN WALSH. >> MR. WALSH.

MR. WALSH, ARE YOU THERE, SIR? >> STAR 6 TO UNMUTE.

>> PRECPRESS STAR 6 TO UNMUTE YOURSELF, SIR.

WE'LL MOVE RIGHT ALONG THEN. TROY?

, >> MIKE MORAN.

>> MIKE, CAN YOU HEAR ME? >> YES, MR. CHAIRMAN, THERE'S A SLIGHT DELAY THERE. CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW?

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>> YES, SIR, YOU'RE GOOD TO GO >> THANK YOU.

I'VE GOT A PREPARED THREE MINUTE SPEECH.

GOOD EVENING, THANK YOU AGAIN FOR POSTPONING YOUR DECISION ON THIS MATTER UNTIL YOU HAVE FULL PUBLIC COMMENTS.

I APPRECIATE THE TIME SOME OF YOU TOOK WITH ME ON THE TELEPHONE. I'M HOPEFUL YOU REE REVIEWED MY FOLLOW UP LETTER. I WANT TODAY TO MAKE A FEW COMM.

SINCE THE DAY I TOOK THIS POSITION I CONTINUOUSLY HAD TO ADDRESS INFORMATION THAT IS SIMPLY INCORRECT.

THIS MEETING IS NO DIFFERENT. I REVIEWED THE VIDEO FROM YOUR LAST TWO MEETINGS AND LISTENED TO MS. GARCIA'S COMMENTS.

I HAVE NOT HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO MEET MS. GARCIA, BUT I HAVE SCHEDULED TIME TO MEET WITH THE PRESIDENT AND THE ENTIRE BOARD.

I FEEL MS. GA GARCIA'S TESTIMONY NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED.

COMMUNITIES ARE MAKING IMPORTANT DECISION AND HONEST TESTIMONY MUST BE BROUGHT FORWARD. EXISTING MORTGAGES ARE DEVALUED, AND, QUOTE, WE KNOW THAT IT CAN HAVE HARMFUL EFFECTS ON THE MARKET AND THE MORTGAGE AVAILABILITY.

AND MAKING REFERENCE TO, QUOTE, WEAK CUSTOMER PROTECTIONS.

THERE ARE ALSO DETAILED DISCUSSION WITH THE BOARD THAT NEW BUYERS OF HOMES WOULD BE IMPAIRED IN SOME WAY WITH PACE ASSESSMENT. THIS IS SIMPLY NOT ACCURATE.

IT'S WORTH NOTING THAT TWO OF OUR BOARD MEMBERS AND OURSELVES ARE LICENSED REALTORS IN FLORIDA.

THE STATE REALTORS ASSOCIATION HAS NOT TAKEN THE SAME POSITION.

IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING YOUR BOARD DISCUSSED THE WORKSHOP TO EXPLORE PACE ON A DEEPER LEVEL. FOR WHATEVER REASON THIS DID NOT HAPPEN BUT WE STILL WELCOME THE IDEA.

WHILE I'M HOPEFUL THIS MEETING WILL GIVE DETAILS TO THE PROGRAMS, THERE ARE ISSUES I HOPE DON'T GET LOST IN THE DETAIL. PACE WAS A MISSION OF THE FLORIDA LEGISLATURE TO BRING PRIVATE MONEY INTO FLORIDA TO HURRICANE HARDEN HOMES, BRING HOMEOWNER INSURANCE RATES DOWN, AND HELP WITH ENERGY EFFICIENCY. IT HAS HAD MASSIVE STATE WIDE SUCCESS WITH HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLAR AND THOUSATHOUSANDSOF TRANSACTIONS . NUMBER TWO, THE GOVERNMENT SHOULD NOT BE GETTING IN THE WAY OF PEOPLE MAKING PERSONAL FINANCIAL DECISIONS FOR THEIR FAMILY.

LASTLY, I FEEL THIS IS A BASIC PROPERTY RIGHTS ISSUE.

PEOPLE SHOULD HAVE AS MANY CHOICES IN THE FREE MARKET TO FINANCE IMPROVEMENTS TO THEIR HOMES.

ALL THESE BASIC PRINCIPLES ARE SUPPORTED BY THE FLORIDA LEGISLATURE AND DETAILED IN FLORIDA STATUTE.

COLLIER COUNTY WAS MENTIONED IN YOUR LAST MEETING.

I WAS NOT INVOLVED WITH PACE WHEN THAT VOTE TOOK PLACE IN COLLIER. I WAS IN THE MIDDLE OF NEGOTIATIONS WITH PACE WHEN THAT DISCUSSION WAS GOING ON.

FRANKLY, IT WAS A DECIDING FACTOR IN ME TAKING THIS POSITION. I WAS STUNNED AT THE LACK OF DETAIL AND MISINFORMATION AT THAT MEETING.

I'M HERE BEFORE YOU WITH THE OTHER STAKEHOLDERS TO DO MY BEST TO GIVE YOU ACCURATE FACTUAL INFORMATION TO MAKE SOUND POLICY DECISIONS FOR YOUR RESIDENTS. I APPRECIATE THE TIME HERE TONIGHT BUT IT'S NOT THE BEST OPTION FOR MY COLLEAGUES TO SHOW POWERPOINT SLIDES AND DETAILED INFORMATION.

IF I COULD OFFER A SUGGESTION, I WOULD RESPECTFULLY TO HAVE THE FORMAL WORKSHOP YOU DISCUSSED WHEN IT'S VE CONVENIENT SO YOU N GET INTO WHATEVER LEVEL OF DETAIL YOU WISH.

I WILL STAY ON THE CALL ALL THE WAY THROUGH, PROBABLY OPEN TO THE PUBLIC AT THE END FOR ANY QUESTIONS THAT ANYONE MIGHT

HAVE. >> THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, MR. MORAN. TROY?

>> I THINK MR. WALSH, NATHAN WALSH IS SUN MUTED NOW.

>> MR. WALSH -- >> COW CAN YOU HEAR ME?

>> GO RIGHT AHEAD, SIR. THANK YOU MR. IT GUY FOR HELPING ME THERE. I'M NATHAN WALSH, THE REGIONAL SALES DIRECTOR FOR PACE FUNDING. THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME TALK TODAY, BUT I'M A LITTLE DISCOURAGED I AM HERE DEFENDING MY LIVELIHOOD. I HAVE BEEN IN THE PACE PROGRAM FOR OVER FOUR YEARS. I'VE BEEN COVERING CLAY COUNTY.

I HAVE BEEN A CLAY COUNTY RESIDENT.

MY PARENTS HAVE LIVED THERE FOR OVER 30 YEARS.

I'M UNDERSTANDING THE ECONOMIC, THE DEMOGRAPHIC AND THE GEOGRAPHICS QUITE WELL. AND THE PACE PRODUCT IS A PRODUCT THAT IS NECESSARY FOR FOLKS TO HAVE RESILIENCY AND SAFETY. THESE ARE RENEWABLE CLEAN ENERGY EFFICIENT PRODUCTS THAT WE ARE FINDING -- WE ARE NOT GIVING CASH OUT. WE ARE NOT REFINANCING CREDIT CARDS. WE ARE HELPING FOLKS WHEN THEIR AC GOES OUT AND DOES NOT HAVE $8,000, $10,000 TO DROP.

WHEN THEIR ROOF IS LEAKING AND THEY DON'T HAVE THE CREDIT TO REFINANCE THEIR HOME, IF THEY WANT TO BECOME MORE RENEWABLE EFFICIENT AND GET SOLAR PANELS, THIS ALLOWS FOLKS THAT GENERALLY

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WE HAD ONE OF THE HOMEOWNERS -- IN SUPPORT OF THE PACE PROGRAM.

WE DO A VERY GOOD JOB OF VETTING OUR CONTRACTORS.

WE BRING IN ONLY THE BEST OF THE BEST OF THE CONTRACTORS.

WE MAKE SURE THEY HAVE EXPERIENCE, LIABILITY, WORKERS' COMP, POSITIVE REVIEWS. AND WE MANAGE THEM AND WORK WITH THEM VERY CLOSELY. WITH THAT SAID, I HOPE YOU REALLY TAKE THIS INTO DEEP THOUGHT.

THERE IS MANY JOBS THAT WOULD BE LOST WITH THE REMOVAL OF THIS PROGRAM, AND LIVELIHOODS AFFECTED.

AND IT WILL BE AFFECTED IN A POSITIVE WAY IF WE KEEP THIS PROGRAM. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> THANK YOU, MR. WALSH. TROY?

>> CJ DESANTIS. >> MR. DESANTIS.

>> STAR 6 TO UNMUTE >> IF YOU CAN HEAR ME, SIR, STAR

6 TO UNMUTE YOURSELF >> CAN YOU HEAR ME?

>> MR. DESANTIS? >> YES, CAN YOU HEAR ME

>> YES, SIR, YOU GO RIGHT AHEAD. YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES, SIR.

>> YES. COMMISSIONERS, THANK YOU.

WE HAD INTENDED -- MY COLLEAGUES WHO WILL FOLLOW ME AND WE WILL KEEP THIS BRIEF -- WE HAD PREPARED A DECK, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE RECEIVED IT BUT IT DOESN'T MATTER.

I WOULD BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION THE POINTS MY COLLEAGUES HAVE MADE. I'M BASED OUT OF MAITLAND, FLORIDA. AND THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR SPOKE ON BEHALF OF ITS CHAIRMAN WHO IS A SITTING COMMISSIONER.

I WANT YOU TO BE AWARE THAT PACE IS A NATIONWIDE TREND -- IT'S NOT EVEN A TREND, IT'S BEEN AROUND FOR OVER A DECADE AND BEEN APPROVED IN 37 STATES ACROSS THE NATION.

AND 22 STATES HAVE ACTIVE SUCCESSFUL PACE PROGRAMS. ON THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE, YOU'RE CONSIDERING OVER 280,000 HOME UPGRADES HAVE BEE DONE WITH THIS INNOVATIVE FINANCING PROGRAM NATIONWIDE FOR OVER 6 .2 BILLION WITH A B.

IN FLORIDA THERE HAVE BEEN OVER 50,000 FUNDED PROJECTS FOR OVER 1 .1 BILLION WITH A B. THESE HAVE TAKEN PLACE IN 37 COUNTIES ACROSS THE STATE, COVERING ALMOST TWO THIRDS OF THE STATE BY POPULATION AND 155 MUNICIPALITIES HAVE PARTICIPATED. WHAT YOU ARE ABOUT TO HEAR, THE PRO AND CON, PLEASE DO NOT LET THE TAIL WAG THE DOG.

WITH 50,000 OF ANYTHING, EVEN WITH ONLY .1% FAILURE RATE, THERE ARE STILL GOING TO BE 50 ANECDOTAL STORIES AND THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR. OORCEVEN THOSE ARE NOT COMPLETED TRUE. WE HAVE THE BEST CONSUMER PROTECTIONS. AND I ENCOURAGE THAT YOU DO NOT HAVE ALL THE FACTS AND YOU WOULD BE DOING THE PROPERTY OWNERS OF CLAY COUNTY A TREMENDOUS DISSERVICE AND REMOVING FROM THEM AN OPPORTUNITY THAT'S AVAILABLE TO THE MAJORITY OF OTHER FLO FLORIDIANS AND OTHER AMERICANS KR ACROSS THE STATE.

WE WOULD REALLY ENCOURAGE THAT YOU TAKE THE TIME TO GIVE US TIME TO MEET WITH THE REALTORS AND WITH YOU AND YOUR STAFF ON A WORKSHOP. WE'RE CONVINCED ONCE YOU HAVE THESE ADDITIONAL FACTS THAT YOU WILL NOT RESCIND RESIDENTIAL PACE IN CLAY COUNTY. I'LL BE AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS.

I'D LIKE TO TURN IT OVER TO MY COLLEAGUE, RA RACHEL HOBBS

>> MS. HOBBS ARE YOU WITH US? >> I'M HERE, CAN YOU HEAR ME?

>> YOU'RE GOOD TO GO, MA'AM >> GOOD AFTERNOON, THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN, COMMISSIONERS AND YOUR STAFF FOR HELPING US WITH THE IT AND GIVING US THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK THIS AFTERNOON.

SO MY NAME IS RACHEL HOBBS AND I WORK WITH PACE FUNDING GROUP. WE'RE THE NEWEST PROVIDER IN THE FCFA PROGRAM. THERE'S AN AWFUL LOT OF INFORMATION HERE THAT WE'RE TRYING TO IMPART.

MIKE MORAN HAS ALSO ALREADY MENTIONED THAT THIS WAS ENABLED

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AND IT'S ENABLED FINANCING FOR WIND MITIGATION, ENERGY EFFICIENCY, AND RENEWABLE ENERGY YEUMENTS.

ITEMS. THE LARGEST CATEGORY HERE IS WIND MITIGATION. I THINK THE LAST FIGURES I SAW WAS LIKE, 70% OF THE JOBS HERE THAT WE'RE TALKING.

THAT'S IMPROVED WINDOWS, DOORS AND ROOFING.

THE NEXT CATEGORY IN FLORIDA IS, YOU KNOW, HVAC WITH HEATING AND COOLING. BUT IT DOES ALSO INCLUDE SOLE AND STORAGE AND A LOT OF OTHER ITEMS AS WELL.

IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT AT THIS TIME TO TOUCH ON THE ECONOMIC SIDE OF THIS. NATHAN HAS ALREADY SPOKEN A LITTLE BIT TO THAT.

BUT THE ESTIMATED AMOUNT IS THAT EVERY $1 MILLION WORTH OF FUNDED PROJECTS TRANSLATE TO 15 NEW JOBS IN THE LOCAL ECONOMY.

ESPECIALLY IN THE CURRENT SITUATION, OBVIOUSLY, WE'RE LOOKING AT THE ECONOMY AND JOBS BEING VERY IMPORTANT.

I ALSO WANT TO BRIEFLY COMMENT ON THE DEMAND FOR PACE IN THE COUNTY. I THINK AT ONE OF YOUR PREVIOUS MEETINGS, YOUR ATTORNEY HAD LOOKED OUT AND FOUND THAT 106 RESIDENTIAL PROJECTS HAD ALREADY BEEN COMPLETED BY 2019.

AND IF YOU LOOK AT AN AVERAGE, AN AVERAGE FOR FLORIDA IS $21,000 PER PROJECT COST. SO THAT INDICATES THAT YOU'VE GOT ABOUT 2 $.2 MILLION OF PRIVATE CAPITAL THAT'S BEEN INVESTED IN YOUR COUNTY. AS I MENTIONED, PACE FUNDING, WE'RE THE NEWEST PACE PROVIDER WE'VE JUST BEEN APPROVED AND COME ON BOARD IN THE LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS.

AND FPFA ALSO APPROVED US AS A RESIDENTIAL PROVIDER LAST SUMMER. WITH FORTIFY ON BOARD AND PACE FUNDING, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THE TRUE PICTURE OF DEMAND IN CLAY COUNTY. THE 106 RESIDENTIAL PROJECTS OVER PREVIOUS YEARS. I THINK THE TRUE PICTURE WILL COME NOW THAT YOU HAVE TWO PROVIDERS THERE.

MY COLLEAGUES AT FORTIFY TELL ME THEY'VE COMPLETED 20 ASSESSMENTS. AND I LOOKED AT OUR STATS UNTIL THE END OF LAST WEEK WE'D ALREADY HAVE 27 INQUIRIES FROM HOMEOWNERS. AND NOW WE HAVE SEVERAL JOBS ALREADY UNDERWAY. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR ARRANGING THE IT. IT WOULD HAVE BEEN MUCH NICER TO SPEAK TO YOU IN PERSON TODAY. IT'S DIFFICULT TO FULLY COVER AND EXPLAIN EVERYTHING ABOUT PACE IN THREE MINUTES ON THE PHONE. WE HOPE YOU CAN BE FULLY INFORMED AND MAKE THE BEST DECISION FOR YOUR CONSTITUENTS.

WE WOULD ASK THAT YOU WOULD CONSIDER ALL THE ASPECTS AND NOT TAKE THIS FINANCING OPPORTUNITY AWAY FROM YOUR RESIDENTS.

THANK YOU. >> WOULD YOU GIVE ME YOUR NAME

>> RACHEL HOBBS >> MS. HOBBS, THANK YOU.

TROY, NEXT? >> CHRIS PETERSON

>> HELLO, COMMISSIONERS, MY NAME IS CHRIS PETERSON.

I'M THE HEAD OF GOVERNMENT AFFAIRS FOR FORTIFY FINANCIAL.

I'VE BEEN A LICENSED REALTOR FOR OVER 15 YEARS.

AND THE REASON I GOT INTO THE PACE INDUSTRY IN THE FIRST PLACE WAS TO HELP CORRECT MISUNDERSTANDING WITHIN THE REALTOR COMMUNITY. I SAW AN OPPORTUNITY TO HELP MY COLLEAGUES OF HOW TO WORK WITH THIS NEW PRODUCT AND ENSURE IT WOULDN'T INTERFERE WITH TRANSACTIONS.

I FACILITATED WORKSHOPS ACROSS THE STATE WHEN I WAS IN CALIFORNIA. TO THAT END, WE WERE VERY SUCCESSFUL. WE SAW VERY FEW REALTOR ASSOCIATIONS RESCIND THEIR OPPOSITION IN 2018.

I'M HAPPY TO SEND THOSE LETTERS OVER TO COURTNEY.

BUT IT'S TRUE. I WANT TO ADJUST A COUPLE OF THINGS. IT'S TRUE THEY WON'T ALLOW ANY ENCUMBRANCES UPON SALE OF REIFY. THAT INCLUDES HELOCS, HOME EQUITY LOANS. IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE MARKET.

AND WE HAVE INFORMED THE PROPERTY OWNER DURING THIS APPLICATION PROCESS AS WELL. KEEP IN MIND THAT THOSE COMPETING PRODUCTS, THEY ARE INTEREST ONLY AND REQUIRE A BALLOON PAYMENT AT THE END OF THE TERM.

I THINK YOU GOT IN TROUBLE WITH BALLOON PAYMENTS.

PACE, ONCE YOU MAKE THE FINAL PAYMENT AT THE END OF THE TERM IT'S PAID OFF. IF YOU CHOOSE TO PAY OFF EARLY, THERE IS NO PENALTY. IT CAN PAID OFF AT ESCROW DURING THE REFINANCE TRANSACTION. I KEEP HEARING FROM CERTAIN REALTORS IN FLORIDA ABOUT HOW THEY HAVE TO KEEP PACE FROM TAKING PEOPLE'S HOMES. TO THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE AFTER OVER TEN YEARS, NO HOMEOWNER HAS LOST THEIR HOME FROM PACE, NOT IN CALIFORNIA, NOT IN FLORIDA. PACE COMPANIES DO NOT REPOSSESS HOMES. TO THE CONTRARY, WE WANT PEOPLE IN THEIR HOMES, SAFE AND

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DUE TO THE VAST DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT THE REALTORS ARE CLAIMING AND THE FACTS AS WE KNOW THEM, WE ASK THIS ITEM BE TABLED UNTIL SUCH TIME WE CAN HAVE A STAKEHOLDER WORKSHOP WHERE WE CAN CLOSE THE GAP OF INFORMATION BETWEEN THE REALTORS AND PACE INDUSTRY. FLESH OUT THE FACTS AND PHILOSOPHICAL DIFFERENCES. ONCE PARTIES CAN ENGAGE IN MEANINGFUL DISCUSSION WITHOUT A THREE MINUTE TIME LIMIT THERE'S A GREATER UNDERSTANDING BY ALL PARTIES.

ONLY THEN CAN INFORMED DECISIONS BE MADE.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION AND GOD BLESS

>> THANK YOU, THANK YOU, MR. PETERSON.

TROY? >> DEVESH

>> GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONER AND CHAIR.

CAN YOU HEAR ME OKAY? >> YES, SIR, GO RIGHT AHEAD

>> I REPRESENT THE AGENCY ADMINISTRATOR FOR THE FLORIDA PACE FUNDING AGENCY. BASED OUT OF MAITLAND FLORIDA.

I COME TO PACE HAVING MANAGED SUSTAINABILITY IN THE PUBLIC AND PRIVATE SETHER. SECTOR. PACE I HAS THE ABILITY TO IMPACT THE NEXT 20 YEARS OF HOMEOWNERS WITH EVERY PROJECT THAT IS SUCCESSFULLY COMPLETED AND FINANCED.

THAT'S A POWERFUL THING. TO USE FINANCE TO IMPROVE THE COMPANY RESILIENCY. A REZI RESILIENCY -- I THINK THE STATE MADE A GOOD MOVE AFTER A SHOCK TO THE SYSTEM BACK IN 2010 WHEN THE PROPERTY INSURANCE MARKET REALLY TOOK A DIVE HERE.

INSOLVENCY ON MANY DIFFERENT LEVELS.

I THINK THE PACE IS A GOOD EXAMPLE OF A PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP THAT CAN SOLVE THAT THROUGH THE ABUNDANT USE OF PREPRIVATE CAPITAL. IT'S PROVEN ITSELF IN THE MARKETPLACE. OVER 155 CITIES, AND 35 COUNTIES, INCLUDING CLAY COUNTY HAVE ENABLED THIS.

THE CRISIS WE SAW WITH THE PROPERTY INSURANCE MARKET, YOU KNOW, IT IS A PUBLIC PRIVATE PROBLEM AND THIS IS THE BEST OPTION IF YOU CAN GET THE CAPITAL.

THE RESULTS WE TALKED ABOUT THAT ARE MARKET TR TRANSFORMING, A COASTAL HOMEOWNER CAN RECEIVE A 50% IN REDUCTION PREMIUMS. THEY CAN BE IN THE PRIVATE MARKETPLACE.

IF YOU NEED INSURANCE TO KEEP YOUR HOME YOU'LL HAVE WAY TO DO IT BY GETTING THE ROOF DONE CORRECTLY.

AND SO GOING BACK TO WHY PACE WORKS IN THE WAY IT DOES.

THE PUBLIC PRIVATE NEXUS IS THROUGH A VOLUNTARY APPROACH.

WITHOUT THAT OPTION IN THE WAKE OF A LARGE WINDSTORM SCENARIO IT WOULD BE THE NONVOLUNTARY TAXPAYER MOIN MONEYS THAT WOULDO TO DISASTER CLEAN UP. IT'S A CHOICE.

THAT'S A COMPELLING BENEFIT THAT TIES WITH PACE P. .

YOU THINK OF COVID-19, YOU THINK OF OUR OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE CLEANER AIR QUALITY IN THE STATE.

THAT CAN BE POSSIBLE IF WE GET OUR HOMES AND BUILDINGS TO BE ZERO ENERGY, WHICH PACE CAN HELP MAKE HAPPEN LET ME ALSO THEN ADDRESS THE ROBUSTNESS OF THE PROGRAM.

THE UNDERWRITING PROCEDURES IN PACE, IS THE TAXING HISTORY.

REASONABLE FIXED INTEREST RATES THAT EXTEND THE USEFUL LIVE OF IMPROVEMENTS, YOU GET A HIGH PERFORMING MECHANISM THAT HAS DELINQUENCY RATES MUCH LOWER THAN THE MARKET.

I WOULD ENCOURAGE THE COMMISSIONERS, TO ALLOW AMPLE TIME FOR THOROUGH DISCUSSION AND CONSIDERATION.

WE HAVE AN UNPRECEDENTED CONVERGENCE OF THE HURRICANE SYSTEM COMING UP UPON US. ALREADY HAD THE FIRST STORM.

COMING TOGETHER WITH THE LENDING CONSTRAINED MARKETPLACE COVID-19 HAS CREATED. INCLUDING HELOCS BEING FROZEN.

SO WE LOOK FORWARD TO PARTICIPATING AND CONTINUING THE PROGRAM FOR THE BENEFIT OF YOUR COMMUNITY. THANK YOU.

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>> THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE OUT THERE TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF PACE? WAS THAT T THE ENTIRE GROUP?

>> YES, SIR >> DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS BEFORE WE GO INTO THE GROUP THAT'S IN OPPOSITION?

>> I'LL HAVE SOME COMMENTS. OBVIOUSLY, AS PEOPLE ARE WATCHING THIS, THEY HAVE SIX OR SEVEN SPEAKERS IN REGARDS TO THE PRO PACE. I WILL ONLY SAY THIS, WE WERE SCHEDULED SEVERAL YEARS AGO TO HAVE A WORKSHOP TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT PACE. THEY KNEW THAT AT THAT TIME.

THEY ALSO AT THAT TIME KNEW THAT NEFAR HAD THE SAME POSITION THEY DO TODAY. THREE AND A HALF YEARS HAVE PASSED AND THEY DIDN'T CHOOSE TO TALK TO NEFAR TO WORK OUT THEIR PROBLEMS AND EDUCATE THEM, EVEN THOUGH SUPPOSED LLY WE HAVE REGIONAL FOLKS HERE. I TRY TO KEEP UP WITH THE IDENTIFICATION AS BEST I COULD. THEY HAVEN'T CHANGED THEIR STANCE, AND YET AS A REGIONAL GUY, THEY NEVER TRIED TO CHANGE THEIR MIND OR EDUCATE THEM AS TO WHY THE PROGRAM WOULD BE THAT SUCCESSFUL FOR THEM. SO WHAT I'VE HEARD HASN'T CHANGED MY MIND. I BELIEVE IT WOULD BE BEST TO MOVE ON TO THE FOLKS THAT WE WILL.

REPRESENTATIVE REALTORS OR NEFAR OR EVEN OUR ATTORNEY

>> I AGREE. OKAY.

IF YOU'LL NOTICE ON THE AGENDA WE HAD A COUPLE OF THREE ITEMS FOR TIME CERTAIN AT 5:00. BUT DUE TO THE NATURE OF THIS TOPIC, WE'VE BEEN WRESTLING WITH THIS FOR A WHILE I THINK WE'LL GO AHEAD AND CONTINUE ON UNTIL WE HEAR FROM THE OTHER GROUP AND THEN WE'LL WRAP IT UP WITH OUR COMMENTS AND MAKE A DECISION.

WE'LL ROLL THE TIME CERTAINS BACK FOR 15, 20 MINUTES.

THE NEXT GROUP, TROY, WHO IS OUR FIRST SPEAKER SOME

>> LYNN DRYSDALE >> CAN YOU HEAR ME OKAY?

>> YES, I CAN HEAR YOU >> YES, I CAN HEAR YOU NOW.

GO RIGHT AHEAD, MA'AM >> THANK YOU.

>> MY ADDRESS IS 825 NORTH ORANGE AVENUE, SUITE 308.

I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO THE COMMISSIONERS.

I HAVE SUBMITTED WRITTEN MATERIALS BASED ON MY PERSONAL APPEARANCES AS AN ATTORNEY WITH LEGAL AGE.

AID. I AGREE THAT CONSUMER HOMES ARE PRECIOUS, UNFORTUNATELY PACE LOANS ARE MORE OF AN ANCHOR IN MY EXPERIENCE THAN A LIFELINE. PEOPLE RAI RARELY COMING INTO TE OFFICE THEY HAVE A PACE LOAN PROBLEM.

THEY THINK THEY HAVE A GOVERNMENT LOAN.

THESE TRANSACTIONS ARE GENERALLIYGENERALLIY HANDLED BYE CONTRACTOR AND ONE ELECTRONIC SIGNATURE ON ONE DOCUMENT BECOMES AN ELECTRONIC SIGNATURE ON MANY DOCUMENTS THAT THE CONSUMERS HAVE NEVER SEEN. THEY'RE NOT MAKING INFORMED DECISIONS BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT GIVING THE COST OF CREDIT INFORMATION OR WHAT THE IMPROVEMENTS WILL ACTUALLY ENTAIL. MOST OF THE TIME THE PEOPLE ARE IN THEIR 50S WITH EQUITY IN THEIR HOME.

AND THEY COME TO ME BECAUSE THEY HAVE PROBLEMS WITH THE NEW IMPROVEMENTS THAT WERE MADE TO THEIR HOME OR IMPROVEMENTS THAT WERE LEFT INCOMPLETE. MY HANDS ARE ALMOST TRIED IN THESE TRANSACTIONS BECAUSE THERE ARE SO FEW CONSUMER PROTECTIONS THAT GIVE ME LEVERAGE TO TRY TO HELP THE CONSUMERS.

THEY'RE GETTING BILLS THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND.

THEY'VE NEVER SEEN THE NAME OF THE LENDER.

THEY DON'T KNOW WHO THE LENDER IS.

THEY HAVE A EQUIPMENT THAT'S MUCH GREATER THAN THE NEEDS OF THE HOME. IT'S RARELY THE PACE LOAN, IT'S BECAUSE THE PACE LOAN CREATES A PROBLEM WITH THE MORTGAGE PAYMENTS. IF A PERSON CAN'T AFFORD A $10,000 MORTGAGE, THEY CAN'T AFFORD TO HAVE THEIR MORTGAGE PAYMENTS INCREASED BY THE NATURE OF THE PACE LOAN.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> THANK YOU.

YOU SAID YOU WERE AN ATTORNEY WITH LEGAL AID, IS THAT CORRECT?

>> YES, SIR, JACKSONVILLE AREA LEGAL AID

>> YOU WORK OUT OF THE GREEN COVE OFFICE?

>> I WORK OUT OF THE GREEN COVE AND THE JACKSONVILLE OFFICE.

SOMETIMES IN NASSAU COUNTY >> THANK YOU, TROY

>> NANCY GARCIA. >> MS. GARCIA.

CAN YOU HEAR ME? >> I CAN HEAR YOU

>> OKAY, GO RIGHT AHEAD, MA'AM >> OKAY, MY NAME IS NANCY GARCIA AND I'M AUTHORIZED TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF OVER 9,000 MEMBERS OF THE NORTHEAST FLORIDA ASSOCIATION OF REALTORS WITH AN

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AND THEY WERE DETAILED IN THE LETTER FROM OUR CURRENT PRESIDENT, RON HARRIS THAT WAS E-MAILED TO THE BCC IN APRIL.

BEFORE I SPEAK ABOUT THAT, I WANT TO ADDRESS SOME MISINFORMATION THAT'S BEEN PRESENTED.

TO CLTHE NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF REALTORS BELIEVE THAT PACE LIENS SHOULD BE SUBORDINATE TO ANY FIRST MORTGAGE AND SUPPORT FANNY MAE AND FREDDIE MAC. FLORIDA ASSOCIATION OF REALTORS DOES NOT, NOT HAVE A POSITION ON PACE.

EITHER FOR OR AGAINST. THERE'S BEEN AN ATTEMPT TO ALLUDE THAT THE STATE IS IN SUPPORT OF THE PROGRAM AND THAT IS NOT TRUE. YOUR LOCAL 9,000 MEMBER ASSOCIATION OPPOSED PACE. AS YOU MIGHT IMAGINE, JUST LIKE YOU MIGHT DISAGREE WITH YOUR COLLEAGUES IN SOUTH FLORIDA OVER SOME LEGISLATION, THERE'S A DIFFERENCE OF OPINION AMONGST REALTORS ACROSS THE STATE. AS FAR AS OUR CONCERNS GO, FIRST THE CONCERN PROTECTION ISSUE. CONSUMERS ARE APPROVED IF THEY'RE CURRENT ON THEIR MORTGAGE AND PROPERTY TAXES AND THERE'S NO REQUIREMENTS TO CONSIDER THE ENTIRE CREDIT HISTORY AND DEBT LOAD. RUNNING THE RISK OF ADDING DEBT TO CONSUMERS WHO CANNOT AFFORD IT AND ARE IN HIGH RISK OF DEFAULT. THERE'S CONCERN OVER LACK OF PROPER DISCLOSURE WITH PACE. IT'S NOT SUBJECT TO TR TRUTH IN LENDING. PACE PROVIDERS UTILIZE CONTRACTORS SO YOU HAVE ROOFING COMPANIES, CONTRACTORS, WINDOW INSTALLERS, WHO ALL STAND TO PROFIT ACTING AS LOAN BROKERS AND SELLING THE PROGRAM. THE NEGATIVE IMPACTS ON HOME SALES. IN MOST CASES A HOMEOWNER SELLING A HOAME HOME, MUST HAVEE PACE LOAN PAID OFF AT CLOSING AND THEY'RE NOT AWARE OF THIS. PROPERTIES INCUMBERED WITH PACE ARE NOT ELIGIBLE FOR FAA MORTGAGE AND VA LOANS.

IN ADDITION, THE FEDERAL HOUSING FINANCE AGENCY PROHIBITS FANNY MAE AND FREDDIE MAC FROM PURCHASING A MORTGAGE THAT HAS A PACE ASSESSMENT ON THE PROPERTY. TODAY IN CLAY, APPROXIMATELY 7 % OF HOMEOWNERS UTILIZE FANNY MAE OR FREDDIE AND IT DOES NOT TEAM PRUDENT TO PARTICIPATE IN THE PROGRAM.

PACE HAS A NEGATIVE IMPACT ON MORTGAGE AVAILABILITY.

AS I MENTIONED IN A PREVIOUS MEETING, A PACE LOAN DEVALUES A MORTGAGE. WE HAVE SEEN LENDERS CHANGING REQUIREMENTS AND THE AVAILABILITY OF MORTGAGE CREDIT IS A REAL CONCERN RIGHT NOW. WE DON'T NEED THE ADDS PRESSURE OF PACE LOANS DEVALUING EXISTING LOANS ON THE MARKET.

IN CLOSING, I WILL ADD THAT I'VE SEEN COMMENTS FROM SEVERAL ECONOMISTS INDICATING THE REAL ESTATE MARKET IS GOING TO LEAD THE RECOVERY. WE'RE FAIRLY CERTAIN THIS WILL NOT GO THE WAY OF 2008. WE NEED TO BE MINDFUL.

IN NEFAR'S OPINION PACE IS HARMFUL TO HOMEOWNER AND THE REAL ESTATE MARKET. I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND

EVERYBODY STAY SAFE. >> THANK YOU, MS. GARCIA.

TROY? >> LESLIE

>> CAN YOU HEAR US OKAY? >> CAN YOU HEAR ME OKAY?

>> WE'RE GOOD TO GO, GO AHEAD >> THANK YOU, BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS. IST VERY NICE TO KIND OF HEAR BOTH SIDES OF THE STORY. LET ME JUST TELL YOU THE BOOTS ON THE GROUND. WE'RE IN A COMMUNITY ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE RETIRED, OVER THE AGE OF 55, OR OLDER THAT ARE GOING TO CONSIDER A PACE PROGRAM WITH A KNOCK AT THE DOOR FROM A ROOFER. FROM SOMEBODY WHO WANTS TO SELL WINDOWS. AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT'S HAPPENING. UNFORTUNATELY, THE OLDER THE POPULATION, SOMETIMES THEY DON'T HAVE, I WANT TO SAY -- I GUESS THE DRIVE TO WANT TO GO GET MORE OPINIONS, MORE QUOTES, OR MORE INFORMATION. IT'S EASY WHEN SOMEONE COMES TO DO DOOR AND SAYS I REC I CAN FIS FOR YOU WHEN YOU'RE AN ELDERLY INDIVIDUAL. AND THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENING.

THEY'RE SIGNING ON AN IPAD. THEY THINK IT'S GOING TO BE FABULOUS, EASY, AND BEFORE THEY KNOW IT THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND THE TERMS. IT IS BEING EXPLAINED BY A ROOFER. IT'S BEING EXPLAINED BY SOMEBODY THAT'S PUTTING IN WINDOWS. AND THAT SHOULDN'T BE THE CASE.

I MEAN, IT'S A LOAN THAT REALLY NEEDS TO BE EXPLAINED BY A PROFESSIONAL PERSON THAT IS GIVING THE LOAN.

NOT A SUBCONTRACTOR. AS WE'VE WATCHED THESE THINGS

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AND I WOULD JUST ASK THAT THE COMMISSIONERS LOOK AT THIS PROGRAM AGAIN AND RECONSIDER IT. I THINK WE ARE IN AN ECONOMY RIGHT NOW WHERE OUR INTEREST RATES ARE LOW.

I THINK THE ELD LERLY POPULATION CAN HAVE A VEHICLE, JUST NOT THROUGH THE PACE PROGRAM. I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

>> THANK YOU. TROY, ANYONE ELSE ?

>> THAT IS ALL WE HAD H SIR >> , SIR.

COMMISSIONER CELLA, I'LL GOING TO KICK IT BACK TO YOU FOR YOUR FINAL COMMENTS AND THOUGHTS ON THIS

>> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. I'D LIKE TO THANK ALL THE FOLKS WHO TOOK TIME TO SPEAK WITH US. WE CERTAINLY KNOW IT'S BEEN SOMETHING WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING. AND WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS MAKE A DECISION TODAY. SOME OF THAT WILL BE BASED ON WHAT THE FOLKS AT PACE CAN DO. I'D STILL RECOMMEND THE BOARD MOVE FORWARD WITH PUTTING RESIDENTIAL ON HOLD AND MOVING FORWARD WITH THE COMMERCIAL ASPECT OF IT.

AN ARTICLE FROM THE "MIAMI HERALD" DATED MARCH 1, 2020.

IT WASN'T TOTALLY A NEGATIVE ARTICLE.

THEY HAD POSITIVES ABOUT THE PROGRAM.

I THINK AS MS. GARCIA INDICATED, EACH GEOGRAPHIC AREA HAS ITS OWN BEINGS. I THINK AT THIS POINT IN TIME, MAYBE CLAY COUNTY DOESN'T HAVE THOSE NEEDS JUST YET AND DOESN'T HAVE THE PROTECTIONS THAT I'D BE COMFORTABLE WITH.

SEEING N THIS AS A STATE PRODUC, YOU KNOW, ACTUALLY PUT INTO EFFECT BY THE STATE LEGISLATURE, MAYBE THEY NEED TO DO SOME THINGS BEFORE WE CONSIDER IT. THE TAX COLLECTOR IN PASCO COUNTY, HE'S QUOTED IN THIS "MIAMI HERALD" ARTICLE, THERE'S NOBODY IN THE STATE, AN AGENCY, ENTITY, NO ONE THAT A HOMEOWNER CAN GO TO WITH ISSUES WITH THESE PACE LOANS.

HE'S HAD SO MANY PROBLEMS THAT IT'S GOTTEN SO BAD THAT HE HAD TO GO OUT AND HIRE SOMEBODY -- HE'S THE TAX CLE COLLECTOR FOR O COUNTY -- HE SAYS THERE'S NOBODY IN THE STATE THAT COVERS THESE THINGS. HE'S HAD TO ACTUALLY HIRE SOMEBODY TO FOLLOW UP WITH THESE FOLKS TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PACE PROGRAM IS EXPLAINED IN MORE DETAIL.

AND HE HAS SOME QUOTES HERE WHICH ARE NOT POSITIVE IN TERMS OF THE PACE PROGRAM. ALSO, IN CALIFORNIA, THEY'VE HAD A NUMBER OF PROBLEMS, AND IN FACT, HAVE PROPOSED NEW MAJOR REGULATIONS WHICH PUT RESTRICTIONS.

SOME OF OUR COUNTIES HERE IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA HAVE ADOPTED ST. LUCY BEING ONE, MIAMI-DADE THE LARGEST COUNTY INVOLVED IN THAT HAS ACTUALLY HAD A COMMISSIONER PUT OUT A NEW FORM HE'D LIKE PACE CUSTOMERS TO SIGN TO SPELL OUT THE DANGERS OF THE PROGRAM. THAT WAS TABLED BY THE MIAMI-DADE COMMISSION. I COULD GO ON AD INFINITUM IN TERMS OF A LOT OF THE THINGS HERE.

ONE OF THE THINGS I TOOK EXCEPTION TO IS THAT MR. MORAN, WE'LL HEAR FROM HIM AGAIN, I HOPE DURING THE LAST PART OF THE MEETING. HE SAID IN HIS LETTER HE FELT ANY INDIVIDUAL OR BODY THAT STANDS IN THE WAY OF THIS PROGRAM IS PUSHING AGAINST THE WILL OF THE FLORIDA LEGISLATURE.

IF THE PROGRAM IS NOT WHERE IT SHOULD BE, PERHAPS IT SHOULD BE FIXED. CONSIDERING ONLY HALF OF OUR COUNTIES ARE CARRYING THE PACE PROGRAM OR HAVE IT AVAILABLE, I WOULD SAY THAT PERHAPS IT IS NOT AS GREAT A PROGRAM AS IT SHOULD BE IF EVERYBODY IS NOT ON BOARD ALREADY THROUGHOUT THE STATE.

MY RECOMMENDATION IS -- OOLTD, INTERESTING, DID NOT CHANGE MY MIND. I STILL THINK THAT CONSUMERVISE CONSUMERSHAVE ANY CHANCE OF HAVA PROBLEM, WE BEAR THE RESPONSIBILITY OF MAKING SURE THEY'RE NOT TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF OR FALL INTO A SITUATION WHERE THEY ARE NEGATIVELY AFFECTED.

SO THAT'S MY RECOMMENDATION. I WILL LEAVE IT UP TO COURTENEY TO TELL US WHERE SHE IS IN TERMS OF THE PROGRAM.

THAT'S UP TO THE FOLKS AT PACE TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THEY'D LIKE TO MOVE ALONG WITH THIS.

YOU DON'T CLOSE THE DOOR FOREVER ON A PROGRAM.

PERHAPS IT'S SOME OF THOSE RESTRICTIONS AND SOME OF THOSE SAFEGUARDS ARE PUT INTO PLACE WE CAN RECONSIDER THAT AT SOME POINT. THOSE THINGS WERE BROUGHT UP DURING THE RECENT LEGISLATIVE SESSIONS. BUT THEY HAD OTHER THINGS THAT THTHEY HAD TO GET TO AND THOSE THINGS DIED ON THE VINE.

PERHAPS THEY CAN WORK WITH THE FOLKS IN TALLAHASSEE TO COME UP WITH THOSE THINGS. UNTIL THAT TIME I WOULD BE

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EACH OF YOU CAN CERTAINLY MAKE UP YOUR OWN MINDS

>> OTHER COMMISSIONERS ARE GATHERING THEIR THOUGHTS.

I WOULD JUST ADD ON TO WHAT COMMISSIONER CELLA SAID.

FROM LISTENING TO BOTH SIDES OF THIS ARGUMENT, THERE'S NO DOUBT THIS COULD BE AN EXCELLENT PROGRAM.

THERE'S A NEED FOR IT OUT THERE BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE WHO ARE JUST NOT FINANCIALLY CAPABLE OF FIXING WHAT NEEDS TO BE FIXED IN THEIR HOMES. AND THIS PACE PROGRAM CAME ALONG, IT LOOKED LIKE A PANACEA. AND I THINK IF ADMINISTRATED PROPERLY WE COULD ELIMINATE SOME OF THE PROBLEMS THAT COMMISSIONER CELLA AND THE SECOND GROUP THAT THE SPOKE, IF WE COULD ELIMN ELIMINATE SOME OE PROBLEMS I THINK WE COULD HAVE A HELL OF A GOOD PRODUCT AND HELP PEOPLE.

I THINK WE SHOULD GIVE IT MORE CONSIDERATION AND SEE IF THE PACE FOLKS CAN STEP UP AND HELP US FIX THESE PROBLEMS. WITH THAT SAID, THAT'S MY THOUGHTS FOR RIGHT NOW.

ANY OF OUR OTHER COMMISSIONERS NEED TO SPEAK ON THIS?

>> THIS IS COMMISSIONER ROLLINS. I HAD A QUESTION FOR COURTENEY.

IF WE WANT TO MOVE FORWARD, ISN'T THERE SOMETHING ABOUT 180 DAYS? CAN YOU WALK US THROUGH THE

STEPS AGAIN REAL QUICK? >> SO, IF WE WANTED TO MOVE FORWARD, THE DIRECTION WAS TO MOVE FORWARD AND AMEND THE AGREEMENT SO THAT TO ELIMINATE THE RESIDENTIAL AND PROVIDE MERELY FOR THE COMMERCIAL. IF THE PACE PROGRAM IS NOT WILLING TO MOVE FORWARD IN THAT DIRECTION, THEN WHAT WE WOULD NEED TO DO IS MOVE FORWARD WITH TERMINATION OF THE AGREEMENT AND YOUR AGREEMENT PROVIDES FOR TERMINATION WITH 60 DAYS-WRITTEN

NOTICE >> OKAY.

>> WE HAD THAT ADJUSTED AT A TIME WHEN WE ACTUALLY LOOKED FOR SOMEBODY AT PACE. THIS WAS PRIOR TO MIKE MORAN GETTING ON BOARD. HOPEFULLY THEY'RE MORE ORGANIZED. WE LOOKED FOR A REGIONAL PERSON TO TALK TO TO HELP US AMEND THAT CONTRACT, WE COULDN'T FIND ONE.

IF THAT'S AN INDICTMENT IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, NOT KNOWING HOW TO GET AHOLD OF SOMEBODY, THEN THERE YOU HAVE IT RIGHT THERE.

>> ANY OTHER COMMENTS BY THE COMMISSIONERS?

>> YEAH, CAN SOMEBODY ADDRESS THE ISSUE OF THE COMMERCIAL VERSUS THE HOMEOWNER THING? WHY IS THERE A SPLIT THERE?

>> I CAN TELL YOU WHY IT'S IMPORTANT FOR ME.

THIS IS DIANE. WHEN IT COMES TO THE COMMERCIAL, THEY HAVE ATTORNEYS ON THEIR SIDE AND THEY HAVE PEOPLE THAT THEY PAY TO LOOK OUT FOR THEM. AND THEY'RE NOT THE RETAIL PERSON THAT, LIKE, WAS SAID EARLIER, MAY JUST TAKE THE FIRST DEAL THAT COMES ALONG. WE HAVE AT THE ORANGE PARK MALL, THEY'VE BEEN PURCHASED AND HAVE USED THE PACE PROGRAM FOR LIGHTING AND OTHER PROJECTS. I THINK THEY PLAN TO USE THEM SOME MORE IN THE FUTURE. THEY'RE MORE SOPHISTICATED AND THEY CAN AFFORD TO PAY SOMEBODY TO LOOK OUT FOR THEM.

DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE, MR. BOLLA?

>> I WAS NEVER FOR THIS THING EVEN WHEN WE FIRST TALKED ABOUT TTALKED ABOUTIT. I'D LIKE TO GET THE COUNTY OUT OF THE COLLECTION BUSINESS AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE.

I UNDERSTAND THERE'S PEOPLE THAT ARE JUST IN TROUBLE AND CAN'T GET MONEY ANY OTHER WAY. AND THAT'S WHY SOME OF THESE PLACES EXIST. I WISH THERE WAS A BETTER WAY TO FIX THIS. I WOULDN'T BE OPPOSED TO CONTINUING THE PROGRAM, BUT I'D LIKE TO GET THE COUNTY OUT OF THE COLLECTION BUSINESS AND GET IT OFF THE TAX RECORDS.

THAT'S SOMETHING WE SHOULDN'T BE DOING.

>> AMEN. >> I WILL SAY THE EXPERINCE WE'VE HAD OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS, I FEEL LIKE WE GAVE THE PROGRAM EVERY OPPORTUNITY. WHEN WE WENT INTO IT YOU HAD CONVERSATIONS ABOUT OUR ROLE, BUT WE HAD HEARD NEGATIVE FEEDBACK ABOUT THEM NOT BEING AVAILABLE, NOT EDUCATING THE CONSUMER. AND THE CONTRACTORS BEING QUESTIONABLE. AND THE TESTIMONY WE HEARD FROM THE ATTORNEY IN PARTICULAR THAT SHE HAD TROUBLE FINDING ANYBODY SHE COULD HELP A CONSTITUENT WITH WHEN THEY HAD A PROBLEM, WE

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UNTIL T THEY CAN PERFORM MORE RESPONSIBLY, I THINK IT'S BEST TO BACK OUT OF THE RESIDENTIAL ITSELF.

I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM OF STAYING WITH THE COMMERCIAL BECAUSE THEY HAVE THE RESOURCES TO HIRE ATTORNEYS, READ CONTRACTS AND THEY KNOW WHAT THEY'RE GETTING INTO FULL WELL.

>> FOLKS, I THINK WE'VE COME DOWN TO -- I WAS SITTING HERE GOING OVER OUR OPTIONS. THIS IS A MULTIFACETED THING.

AS I SEE IT, AND CAN KOWPTY WE'N HERE -- I SEE FOUR OPTIONS.

WE CAN TABLE THIS, FOLLOWED BY A WORKSHOP THAT'S BEEN MENTIONED BY SOME OF THE PARTIES SPEAKING. WE CAN CAND CANCEL THE ENTIRE PROGRAM. WE CAN VOTE TO GO TO COMMERCIAL ONLY, AS WAS SUGGESTED AT OUR LAST MEETING.

OR WE CAN VOTE TO RETAIN COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL.

COURTENEY OR BOARD MEMBERS DO YOU SEE ANY OTHER OPTIONS THERE?

DOES THAT PRETTY WELL COVER IT? >> WELL, I'D LIKE TO CHIME IN ON JUST BRIEFLY, I AGREE WITH THE RESIDENTIAL VERSUS THE COMMERCIAL, KEEPING THE COMMERCIAL.

I KNOW SEVERAL BUSINESSES THAT HAVE USED THE COMMERCIAL AND BENEFITED FROM IT. I WANT TO CLARIFY FOR ANYONE LISTENING OUT THERE, I KNOW BOTH SIDES OF THE ARGUMENT KNOW THIS.

BUT SOMEBODY CURRENTLY IS WORKING IN THE PROCESS OF GETTING THIS LOAN, IT DOESN'T PROHIBIT THEM FROM DOING THAT, THEY GRANDFATHERED IN. IT PROHIBITS AFTER THE AMENDMENT FUTURE LOANS. AND LIKE COMMISSIONER CELLA SAID WE CAN COME BACK LATER AND DO THIS.

I WOULD URGE THOSE THAT SPOKE PASSIONATELY IN FAVOR OF PACE, PLEASE GET ARE THE REALTORS. WE'VE BEEN SAYING THIS FOR MONTHS, YEARS. AND THEY COME OUT OF NOWHERE AND CALL US AND IT'S SUDDENLY A CRISIS.

BUT FOR YEARS WE'VE BEEN SAYING GET TOGETHER WITH THE PEOPLE WHO ARE ON THE GROUND DEALING WITH THIS AND WORK IT OUT.

AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THAT HASN'T HAPPENED.

STOP CALLING ME. CALL THE REALTORS AND FIGURE IT OUT. YOU KNOW? THAT WOULD BE THE MESSAGE I WOULD HAVE FOR THOSE IN THE PACE PROGRAM. REBUILD TRUST AND THEN REVISIT IT DOWN THE ROAD WITH AT LEAST SOME COMPROMISES WORKED OUT WITH THE REALTORS AND THEN WE CAN LOOK AT ADDING IT BACK IN LATER.

I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF THAT, OR OPEN TO THAT.

AT THIS POINT, I DO THINK TRUST HAS BEEN BROKEN.

>> I'LL SAY FOR MYSELF, I'M NOT REALLY INTERESTED IN A WORKSHOP UNTIL THEY CAN GO HOME AND MAKE IMPROVEMENTS TO THEIR PROCESSES AND DEMONSTRATE NOW THIS IS WHAT WE'VE GOT IN PLACE TO PROTECT CONSUMERS THAT END UP HAVING A PROBLEM, HAVE QUESTIONS, THAT SORT OF THING. AS WELL AS WORKING WITH THE REALTORS. THE REALTORS ARE THE BOOTS ON THE GROUND WHEN IT COMES TO THE PERSON TRYING TO SELL THEIR HOUSE AND REALIZING THEIR DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THEY WERE GETTING INTO INTO. I DON'T SEE A NEED FOR A WORKSHOP UNLESS THEY WANT TO DO SOME HOMEWORK AND IMH COME BACKH

SOME SOLUTION DI DIS >> I AGREE WITH THAT.

THE STATE LEGISLATURE SITUATION, THEY HAVE TO GET THEM TO FIX WHAT ARE THE PERCEIVED PROBLEMS. THAT'S SORT OF OUT OF THEIR CONTROL AT A POINT IN TIME. I THINK IT WILL TAKE LONGER FOR THEM TO GET THAT ACCOMPLISHED THAN WE'RE WILLING TO WAIT.

COURTENEY, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT OUR AGREEMENT ENDS AT THE END OF THIS YEAR ANYWAY, RIGHT?

>> I THINK THAT -- I THINK THE AGREEMENT RUNS TO FEBRUARY OF 2021. IT WILL BE TERMINATED WITH 60

DAYS' NOTICE. >> YEAH, SO WHAT WE'RE DOING, WE'RE OFFERING THE FOLKS AT PACE AN OPPORTUNITY TO CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THE COUNTY, EXTEND THE COMMERCIAL SIDE, PUT A HOLD ON THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE AND FINISH UP WHATEVER PROJECTS THEY HAVE IN THE PIPELINE. THAT'S ONE OF THE PROBLEMS THAT LIEN SITS UP IN FRONT OF THE MORTGAGES, THEN PERHAPS WE CAN RELOOK AT THAT. BUT I LIKE COMMI CAN COMMISSIONR , COMMISSIONER BOLLADON'T THINKE COLLECTINCOLLECTING MONEY FOR PT MAKING KEASMEDZ. COMPANIES.

THAT'S A PROBLEM UNLESS THEY FIGURE A WAY OUT OF THAT SWIL.

AS WELL.

THE DOOR IS ALWAYS OPEN IF ITS SOMETHING THEY'D BE AMENABLE TO.

I'D HATE TO PUNISH OUR BUSINESS WHOSE HAVE DEFINITELY ABUSED

THAT IN THE PAST. >> COURTENEY, DID YOU HAVE ANY

COMMENTS ON THIS PROCESS AT ALL? >> NO, THERE'S A CONSENSUS AT

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AND IF THE PACE PROGRAM ISN'T AMENABLE TO THAT, THEN MOVE

FORWARD WITH TERMINATION? >> SOUNDS GP GOOD TO ME

>> OKAY. >> I THINK THE CHAIR LAID OUT THE OPTIONS THAT IS THE LAST OPTION.

>> IS THERE A MOTION IN ORDER? >> I'LL MAKE THE MOTION

>> I'LL SECOND IT >> RESTATE THE MOTION, MR. CELLA

>> I'D LIKE TO PUT A TERMINATION ON THE RESIDENTIAL PORTION OF THE PACE PROGRAM IN CLAY COUNTY AND CONTINUE ON WITH THE COMMERCIAL. OFFER THAT TO THE FOLKS AT PACE AND SEE IF THAT'S SOMETHING THEY WOULD BE AMENABLE TO

>> IF WE TERMINATE IT, I DON'T SEE WREIT WOULD MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE IF THEY'RE AMENABLE TO IT OR NOT, IS THAT CORRECT?

>> OUR THOUGHT IS JUST TO PUT A TERMINATION ON THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE BUT CONTINUE WITH THE COMMERCIAL.

IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY'D BE AMENABLE TOOL

>> TO >> I GOT IT

>> WE CAN MAKE THAT SUGGESTION, BUT THAT WOULDN'T BE UP TO US.

>> THANK YOU FOR THAT MOTION. LET ME ADD, AND IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE MOTION -- WE CAN ALWAYS RECONSIDER IF WE CAN GET SOME ASSURANCES THAT TAKES CARE OF THE BULK OF PROBLEMS THAT YOU HAVE ARTICULATED IN YOUR PRESENTATION TODAY.

I'LL GO BACK TO WHAT I SAID EARLIER, I THINK THIS PROGRAM HAS MERIT IF IT WAS ADMINISTERED IN A BETTER WAY.

I THINK PEOPLE ARE OUT THERE THAT COULD ACTUALLY HELP.

THERE'S A MOTION TO GO WITH COMMERCIAL ONLY AND TERMINATE RESIDENTIAL. IS THERE A SECOND

>> I SECOND IT, SIR >> OKAY, FURTHER DISCUSSION FROM THE BOARD? WE'LL TAKE A R ROLL CALL VOTE.

>> AYE >> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS

>> AYE >> COMMISSIONER CELLA

>> AYE >> AND THE CHAIRMAN VOTES AYE, ALSO. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COURTENEY? THANK YOU. LET'S MOVE ON, LET'S GO TO OUR TIME CERTAIN, WHICH WE'RE ONLY RUNNING A HALF HOUR BEHIND.

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CHAD, ARE YOU WITH US? >> YES, M MR. CHAIRMAN, I'VE BEN

WAITING ON THE PRESENTATION >> OKAY, YOU'RE UP

>> THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CHANGER IN ZONING FROM RA TO AR.

THE PARCEL IS APPROXIMATELY 7 .L FRINGE CATEGORY.

THE APPLICANT IS WANTING TO CHANGE ZONINGISM THE SURROUNDING ZONINGS ARE TO THE NORTH, TO THE EAST, AR, TOO TO THE BEST IS WES BROOKLYN BAY ROAD. THIS IS AN AERIAL VIEW OF THE SITE. JUST A PHOTO OF IT. NEXT.

THE APPLICATION DETERMINED THAT REQUEST IS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMP PLAN AND COMPATIBLE WITH SURROUNDING AREA.

STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL AND PLANNING COMMISSIONER VOTED TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL. ALSO FOR THE RECORD, WE DID RECEIVER ONE LETTER IN OPPOSITION.

>> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS, THIS IS YOUR DISTRICT.

DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON THIS PARTICULAR ITEM?

>> IT IS. I RECEIVED FEEDBACK FROM THE ONE RESIDENT WHO HAD CONCERNS ABOUT IT.

I THINK THAT GENERALLY IT MAKES SENSE.

I MEAN, IT'S FROM RESIDENTIAL TO AG RESIDENTIAL, IT'S A LESS INTENSE USE. THE OPPOSITION TO IT DID REQUEST A DELAY SO THAT THEY HAD TIME TO SEE IF THERE WAS ANY ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERNS. I WOULD SUPPORT CONTINUATION TO NEXT MEETING IF THAT WAS POSSIBLE.

THEN WE COULD VOTE ON IT. BUT I WOULD ULTIMATELY

ANTICIPATE SUPPORTING IT. >> UNLESS THERE'S ANY

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>> THE APPLICANT IS ON THE PHONE, TOO.

WE WOULD NEED TO OPEN -- >> I DI DON'I'M SORRY.

THE APPLICANT IS ON THE PHONE. I APOLOGIZE THERE.

YES. >> THIS IS JENNIFER JONES.

THE RESIDENT. WE WERE JUST WANTING TO REZONE.

IT'S VERY SIMPLE. MOST EVERYBODY BEHIND US, AROUND US IS ALREADY -- SO THAT WAS WHAT WE WERE THINKING.

WE HAVE ENOUGH ACREAGE THAT WE COULD DO THAT.

>> IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO NEEDED TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST

THIS CHANGE? >> I DID HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE

APPLICANT >> WE HAVE OTHER PUBLIC

COMMENTS, SIR. >> THIS IS A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. THIS IS COMMISSIONER ROLLINS.

ARE YOU AWARE OF THE CONCERNS BY YOUR NEIGHBOR ABOUT POSSIBLE RUN OFF RELATED TO FERTILIZER AND THAT TYPE OF THING?

>> YES, I SAW THEIR LETTER -- ARE IN FAVOR, THEY'RE JUST --

THERE'S ONE PERSON OPPOSED. >> RIGHT.

THE THOUGHT WAS IF IT WOULD BE POSSIBLE TO CONTINUE IT UNTIL NEXT MEETING AND YOU'D HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO MEET WITH THOSE NEIGHBOR AND SHARE THE PLAN TO PREVENT ANY OF THE THINGS FROM HAPPENING THAT THEY HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT.

AND THEN IT COULD BE -- WE COULD VOTE ON IT NEXT MEETING, WOULD THAT BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE POSSIBLE?

>> OKAY. CAN YOU VERIFY --

>> I COULDN'T HEAR YOU, SORRY >> I'M JUST CLARIFYING TO REACH

OUT WITH THE NEIGHBORS? >> YEAH, IF YOU DON'T MIND, THAT WOULD BE GREAT. BECAUSE I KNOW THEY HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT RUN OFF. I THINK YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO GET A COPY OF THE LETTER WHERE THEY WERE CONCERNED ABOUT SOME ENDANGERED SPECIES, DIFFERENT THINGS YOU COULD LET THEM KNOW WHAT YOUR PLAN IS TO MAKE SURE THAT ENDANGERED SPECIES ARE NOT HARMEDDEHARMED AND RUN OFF DOESE COMPLIMPACTS TO THE LAKE

>> RIGHT, AND I UNDERSTAND TO HAVE A WASTE MANAGEMENT PLAN IN PLACE. I'LL REACH OUT.

>> THAT WOULD BE GREAT. I UNDERSTAND YOU WANT TO RAISE HORSES. IT PROBABLY MAKES SENSE THERE.

IT'S JUST IF WE CAN GET NEIGHBORHOOD SUPPORT, THAT'S

IDEAL. >> HI, THIS IS CARRIE COLLINS, SINCE THE -- THEY OPENED IT UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, I SPOKE EARLIER, I LIVE ON BROOKLYN BAY ROAD, AND I'M NOT THE ONE THAT FILED THE LETTER. I WOULD BE OPENING TO MEETING WITH HER AS WELL, JUST HEARING THE PLAN.

BECAUSE WHEN I WALK AROUND THE LAKE, I WALK PAST THE PROPERTY.

EVERY DAY PRETTY MUCH. I DIDN'T THINK ABOUT THE RUN OFF UNTIL YOU MENTIONED THAT. JUST BE CURIOUS HOW MANY ANIMALS, BECAUSE IT IS ALL RESIDENTIAL.

THERE'S HOUSES ALL AROUND. I KNOW SHE'S GOT EIGHT ACRES, SO IT SOUNDS FINE. BUT I'D BE WILLING -- SHE WANTED TO HOST A MEETING, HELP OTHERS SPREAD THE WORD OF WHAT SHE

WANTS TO DO. >> WHAT I'LL DO IS I'LL LET YOU -- THE APPLICANT KIND OF HOST THAT AND COORDINATE THAT WITH THE NEIGHBORS AND THEN WE'LL REVISIT IT NEXT MEETING IF THAT'S OKAY TO EVERYONE, WITH EVERYONE

>> OKAY. WHEN WILL THAT BE?

>> THE NEXT MEETING IS -- >> JUNE 9TH 9TH

>> THAT'S OUR FIRST MEETING IN PERSON, RIGHT, CORRECT?

>> YES. THAT'S THE PLAN

>> WE'LL BE IN PERSON IN GREEN COVE SPRINGS AT 4:00 P.M.

>> OKAY, DO I HEAR A MOTION TO TABLE THAT, MR. ROLLINS?

>> I'LL MOVE THAT WE CONTINUE THIS TO THE JUNE 9TH MEETING ON TUESDAY, JUNE 9TH AT I GUESS 5:00 P.M. IF THAT'S THE

TIME CERTAIN. >> YES

>> SECOND. >> OKAY, COMMISSIONER CELLA?

>> AYE >> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS?

>> AYE >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA?

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>> AYE >> THE CHAIRMAN VOTES IN THE AFFIRMATIVE. MOVING ON TO ITEM 19.

FINAL PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER REZONING APPLICATION Z-20-04.

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>> YES, SIR WAITING ON THE PRESENTATION

>> ALL RIGHT. >> THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CHANGE IN ZONING TO BB FOUR. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CHANGE IN ZONING IN ORDER TO ALLOW FOR BOAT SALES.

NEXT. SURROUNDING ZONINGS ARE TO THE NORTH, IA, BA2 AND AR. TO THE EAST AR, SOUTH, AR AND BB. WEST, U.S. 17.

NEXT. THIS IS AN AERIAL VIEW OF THE SITE AND A COUPLE OF PHOTOGRAPHS.

THIS IS AN EXISTING BUILDING. NEXT.

STAFF HAS REVIEWED THE APPLICATION AND DETERMINED THE REQUEST IS CONSISTENT WITH THE CAMPCOMP PLAN.

THE PROPERTY WAS ZONED BB4 IN 2005 AND THEN SUBSEQUENTLY CHANGED TWICE AND NOW BEING REQUESTED TO GO BACK TO B BRGS 4. B4.

COMMISSION VOTED TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL.

>> IS THE APPLICANT WITH US TODAY? NO APPLICANT? HOW ABOUT --

>> YES, SIR. HE SHOULD BE ON THE PHONE

>> MR. ROYAL? >> HELLO.

HELLO, COMMISSIONERS, IT'S NICE TO HEAR AND SEE YOU ALL.

YEAH, THIS IS A NICE MOVE FOR THE COUNTY TO MAKE MONEY.

WE CAN'T SEEM TO MAKE UP OUR MIND WHAT WE WANT TO BE WHEN WE GROW UP. INSTEAD OF SELLING FRUITS AND VEGETABLES, THEY'VE GOT A NEW BOAT DEALER THAT'S LOOKING AT COMING INTO THAT SITE. THERE IS A DEALERSHIP JUST TO THE NORTH THAT SELLS NEW AND USED BOATS AS WELL.

BEING A COMMUNITY NOW THAT LOOKS TO GET OUT ON THE WATER AND MAKE BETTER USE OF THEIR TIME, THETIC APPLICANT IS EXCITED ABOUT PUT AGNEW BUSINESS INTO THAT BUILDING.

I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. THEY WILL NOT BE

SERVING ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES. >> ANYONE DU IN THE PUBLIC HEARG THAT IS AGAINST THIS REZONING, NEEDS TO SPEAK TO IT?

>> WE HAVE NO OTHER PUBLIC COMMENTS, SIR.

>> WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENTS SINCE THERE ARE NONE.

BACK TO THE BOARD, ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON THIS FROM THE

BOARD? >> I LIKE BOATS.

>> WELL, THERE SHOULD BE A MOTION IN ORDER BY SOMEONE

>> I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE, MR. CHAIRMAN

>> SECOND. >> MOTION AND A SECOND.

COMMISSIONER BOLLA? >> AYE

>> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS? COMMISSIONER ROLLINS? DID WE LOSE COMMISSIONER ROLLINS?

COMMISSIONER CELLA -- >> AYE, SORRY.

I HAD MY MICROPHONE MUTED >> AYE

>> COMMISSIONER HUTCHINS? >> AYE

>> THANK YOU, MR. ROYAL. ITEM 20.

[20.  5:00 Time Certain or as soon thereafter as can be heard - First Public Hearing to Approve for Transmittal CPA 2020-02 to Change 42 Parcels from Rural Residential to Rural Fringe (PC voted 8-0 to approve)]

THIS IS PASSED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION 8-0.

ED, ARE YOU WITH US? >> YES, SIR, CAN YOU HEAR ME SNE

>> I CAN, SO TALK TO US, BROTHER >> I'LL DO IT.

IT'S A PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER A LAND USE AMENDMENT FROM RURAL RESIDENTIAL TO RURAL FRINGE FOR 42 PARCELS ALONG ANK ANCHOR ROAD AND HOWARD ROAD. IT'S IN COMMISSIONER ROLLINS' DISTRICT AND STAFF HAS PROVIDED THIS RECOMMENDATION FOR YOU TO CONSIDER. NEXT SLIDE.

THERE IS THE PARCEL MAP. AS YOU CAN SEE IT'S MOSTLY ONE ACRE PARCELS ALONG BLANDING BLAG BOULEVARD.

AND THERE'S AN AERIAL THAT SHOWS YOU MOSTLY DEVELOPED PROPERTIES.

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YOU CAN SEE IT'S MOSTLY LARGE LOTS, ONE ACRE LOTS WITH HOUSES ON MOST. THERE'S THE SIGN TO PROVE WE HAVE PROPOSED IT. NEXT.

AS YOU CAN SEE, IT BORDERS TO THE RIGHT OR TO THE LEFT -- TO THE WEST ON COMMERCIAL. THERE IS RURAL LAND USE SURROUNDING THE OTHER PORTIONS. SAME WITH THE ZONING, THERE'S A PARCEL PS1 WITHIN THE AREA. IT'S ZONED AR AND IT'S SURROUNDSURROUNDED BY AR AS WEL. WE'VE RECEIVED INQUIRIES FROM OWNERS OF THE FEW VACANT PARCELS WHO WOULD LIKE TO BUILD.

BUT THE LOTS ARE NOT CONFORMING TO THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP DESIGNATION. WE NOTICE THE PARCELS TO THE EAST ARE THE SAME LAND USE AND ZONING, BUT THEY ARE CONSIDERED CONFORFORMING LOTS BECAUSE THEYE LOCATED IN A SUBDIVISION.

IF IT'S APPROVED NO REZONING WILL BE NECESSARY, AS ALL PARCELS OF ONE ACRE OR WILL BE CONFIRMING.

CHANGING THE LAND USE IS CONSISTENT WITH THE CHARACTERISTIC OF THE AREA WITH THE COUNTY.

NEXT SLIDE. WE ARE OBVIOUSLY RECOMMEND APPROVAL SINCE WE WERE THE APPLICANT.

THE PLANNING COMMISSION DID VOTE 8-0 TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL.

WE WILL BE HERE FOR QUESTIONS >> HOW DID WE GET HERE?

>> WE HAD A FEW INQUIRIES FROM RESIDENTS OUT THERE THAT WANTED TO BUILD A HOUSE ON THEIR PROPERTY AND THEIR N THEY WERE R BUT COULDN'T BUILD. IT REPRESENTS WHAT'S ALREADY ON

THE LAND >> I UNDERSTAND THAT PART.

BUT HOW DID WE GET ALL THOSE PLACES BUILT --

>> HOW DID WE GET THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE? AS YOU RECALL, WE DID THE CARTER SPENCER -- THE AREA AROUND MIDDLEBURG, THERE ARE A LOT OF NON-CONFORMING LOTS THAT ARE MUCH LOWER DENSITY LAND USE. HOW WE GOT THERE, MY SUPPOSITION IS DURING THE COMP PLAN PROCESS, THE COUNTY WAS TOLD BY THE STATE TO PUT LOWER LAND USE DENSITIES THERE, EVEN THOUGH THE EXISTING LAND USE COVER AT THE TIME WAS HIGHIGHER DENSITY.

THIS WAS TO PLACATE THE STATE AND AGREE WITH THE COMP PLAN

>> OKAY. >> ACCORDING TO THIS, IT'S THE FIRST PUBLIC HEARING SO WE WON'T NEED A VOTE ON THIS TONIGHT,

CORRECT? >> WE'LL NEED A VOTE TO APPROVAL

TRANSMITTAL. >> OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. VERY GOOD.

MR. ROLLINS, I BELIEVE THIS IS YOUR DISTRICT STILL, IS IT NOT?

>> YEAH, I MEAN, IF STAFF RECOMMENDS IT AND IT MAKES

SENSE, I'M GOOD WITH IT >> WE NEED A PUBLIC HEARING.

>> DID YOU OPEN IT FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING?

>> YEAH, ED, THE PUBLIC HEARING IS OPENED.

DO WE HAVE ANYONE WHO NEEDS TO SPEAK?

>> WE HAVE NO ONE THAT WANTS TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM

>> ALL RIGHT, THEN THE PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED.

>> I'LL MOVE FOR APPROVAL FOR TRANSMITTAL.

>> SECOND. >> APPROVAL AND SECOND.

OKAY. COMMISSIONER HUTCHINS?

>> AYE >> COMMISSIONER CELLA?

>> AYE >> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS?

>> AYE >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA?

>> AYE >> THE CHAIR VOTES IN THE AFFIRMATIVE. MOVING ON TO THE LAST ITEM, TIME

[21.  5:00 Time Certain or as soon thereafter as can be heard - First Public Hearing to Consider for Transmittal CPA 2020-01 to Amend Branan Field FLU Policy 1.4.10 to add Several Permitted Uses (PC voted 5-2 to not recommend approval)]

PLANNING COMMISSION VOTED 5-2 NOT TO RECOMMEND THIS.

AND I UNDERSTAND THERE IS A DEFERRAL BASED ON COMMUNICATIONS WITH THE APPLICANT, IS THAT CORRECT, COUNTY MANAGER?

>> YES. >> OKAY.

>> WE WOULD STILL NEED TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING TO SEE IF ANYONE IS PRESENT TO SPEAK. I KNOW THE APPLICANT MAY WANT TO SPEAK AND ADDRESS THE MOTION FOR CONTINUANCE.

BUT A MOTION TO CONTINUE IT TO THE JUNE 9TH MEETING

>> IS ANYONE WANTING TO SPEAK AGAINST THIS PARTICULAR

PROPOSAL? >> FRANK MILLER IS ON THE PHONE

AS THE APPLICANT. >> SORRY?

>> MR. MILLER IS ON THE PHONE AS THE APPLICANT.

>> MR. FRANK MILLER ARE YOU THERE?

>> YES, SIR I AM. I'M AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY

QUESTIONS. >> I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS I

[01:45:01]

>> YES, SIR. WE HAVE ENGAGED A TRAFFIC ENGINEER TO PROVIDE A LETTER WHICH I HAVE IN MY HAND BUT I HAVEN'T DELIVERED IT TO THE BOATBOARD OR STAFF BECAUSE WE WE GOING TO SEEK A DEFERRAL OF THE MATTER

>> OKAY, YOUR REQUEST IT BE DEFERRED, SIR?

>> YES, SIR. >> WE JUST DID A MOTION TO DEFER

THIS PARTICULAR TOPIC >> I'LL MAKE THE MOTION, IT'S MY DISTRICT. IS THERE A SECOND

>> SECOND. >> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS?

>> YES >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA?

>> YES >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHINS?

>> AYE >> COMMISSIONER CELLA?

>> YES. WE'LL DEFER THIS UNTIL JUNE 9, IS THAT CORRECT, IT'S THE NEXT MEETING?

JUNE 9 MEETING >> LET ME MAKE A COMMENT.

WE'VE BEEN IN DISCUSSIONS WITH MR. MILLER, AND YE I'VE MET WITH SOME OF THE RESIDENTS IN THERE. IN GENERAL, I'M IN SUPPORT OF THE PROJECT. WE JUST NEED TO GET SOME OF THE DETAILS IRONED OUT SO THAT WE MAKE SURE WE DON'T HAVE AN UNWILLING SHOPPING CENTER BY THE TIME WE'RE FINISHED BUILDING WHAT WE THINK IS REQUIRED. OKAY.

SO THIS WE'RE TRYING TO SPLIT HAIRS HERE, BUT GENERALLY IT'S A GOOD PROJECT. I'M IN FAVOR OF IT.

SO LET'S DISCUSS IT LATER AFTER WE NAIL DOWN SOME OF THE

DETAILS. >> OKAY.

THANK YOU, MR. BOLLA. MOVING BACK TO OUR AGENDA WHERE

WE -- >> YOU NEED TO TAKE A VOTE.

>> DID WE FINISH THE VOTE? >> YEAH, I THOUGHT WE VOTED

>> WE'RE IN FAVOR -- >> YEAH, WE DID VOTE

>> WE VOTED AND THEN DISCUSSED IT

>> SORRY. OKAY.

>> MR. CHAIRMAN, SO WHATEVER THAT IS --

>> I DIDN'T WANT TO SAY ANYTHING BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE I WANTED IT

TO GO >> IF WE WIND UP VOTING TWICE THAT MEANS WE HAVE TO PUT IT OFF ANOTHER TWO WEEKS.

OKAY. GETTING BACK TO OUR AGENDA, THE ITEM 6 I BELIEVE HISTORICAL SOCIETY AGREEMENT.

MS. MORGAN ARE YOU WITH US? >> YES, SIR.

>> WONDERFUL. WHAT ARE WE DOING.

>> THE TOURIST DEVELOPMENT COUNCIL HAD A MEETING AND THEY WERE BRINGING THIS ITEM BACK TO YOU FOR CLARIFICATION AND A RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL FOR THE HISTORICAL MUSEUM'S PRODUCT DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WITH THE TOWN OF PENNEY FARMS IN THE AMOUNT OF $30,000. AND A WAIVER OF THE PURCHASING POLICY AS IT RELATES TO THIS ITEM.

IT WOULD BE ADVANCED PAYMENT WHICH WOULD BE THE WAIVER OF THE

PURCHASING POLICY >> OKAY.

AND THE MUSEUM WOULD BE OBLIGATED TO MATCH OUR $30,000

WITH $20,000, IS THAT CORRECT? >> YES, SIR.

WITH $20,000 IN KIND >> IN KIND.

>> YES, SIR. >> AND THEY HAVE MADE ARRANGEMENTS TO DO THAT. I'VE SPOKEN WITH THEM THROUGH EITHER DONATIONS OF LABOR OR MATERIALS FOR THE MUSEUM.

THEY'RE PREPARED TO DO THAT. >> ALL RIGHT.

>> THEY WILL SUPPLY US REIMBURSEMENT DOCUMENTATION, EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT A REIMBURSEMENT.

THEY'LL PROVIDE DOCUMENTATION OF HOW THEY SPENT THE $30,000 SO THAT WE CAN ACCOUNT FOR THAT ON OUR END.

>> YES, MA'AM. >> ANYBODY REVIEWED A PLAN ON

THIS YET? >> YES, SIR, THEY PRESENTED THE PLAN AS A NONPROFIT GRANT BACK LAST AUGUST.

AND THEY HAVE PRESENTED IT TO THE TOURIST DEVELOPMENT COUNCIL.

AND WE BROUGHT THIS TO YOU LAST NOVEMBER.

OR, SORRY, JUST -- I'M SORRY. THE PROSST PROCESS STARTED IN NR AND MADE IT TO THE BOARD FOR APPROVAL IN FEBRUARY OR MARCH.

>> I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT SOMEBODY'S GOT A PLAN AND WE REVIEWED IT AT SOME LEVEL AND WE LIKE IT AND IT'S ENOUGH.

>> ABSOLUTELY. THE WHOLE PRODUCT DEVELOPMENT

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THEIR BUDGET. THEIR MARKETING PLAN.

ALL OF THE PLANS THAT THEY HAVE IN PLACE TO -- WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT PRODUCT DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS ARE SECURE AND IS GOING TO GIVE THE COUNCIL A RETURN ON THEIR INVESTMENT.

AS WELL AS -- I MEAN, AND THAT'S IMPORTANT TO THE BOARD, I KNOW,

AS WELL. >> I WOULD JUST ADD THAT I WENT ON SITE AND MET WITH DAVID COOPER, THE TOWN MANAGER AND LOOKED AT THE FACILITY THEY'RE PLANNING ON USING TO BUILD THIS MUSEUM. IF WE HAVE MET CERTAINLY ALL THEIR REQUIREMENTS, I THINK A MUSEUM SHOULD HAVE, SO I THINK THEY'VE GOT SOME GOOD IDEAS OUT THERE.

THEY'VE GOT A LOT OF ENERGETIC PEOPLE THAT WANT TO WORK ON IT, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE OLDER FOLKS. YOU KNOW, OLDER FOLKS CAN WORK, TOO. PROBABLY DO SOME OF THE BEST WORK OUT THERE. BUT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS, AND IT WAS AT MY INSISTENCE THAT THEY MOVED ON THIS WAY BACK WHEN WHEN I WAS WITH THE HISTORICAL COMMISSION.

BUT ANYWAY, I SAID THAT TO SAY THIS, I'M TOTALLY IN SUPPORT OF IT SINCE IT'S IN MY DISTRICT. SO I WOULD ASK THE BOARD FOR EITHER FURTHER QUESTIONS OR A MOTION

>> IN CONNECTION WITH A MOAGDZ,N FOR CLARIFICATION PURPOSES, THIS IS A GRANT SO THE PAYMENT, THE $30,000, IT'S NOT ADVANCE PAYMENT. IT'S A GRANT THAT YOU HAVE A PAYMENT. THE ISSUE FOR WAIVER OF THE PURCHASING POLICY IS BECAUSE OF THE ISSUES WE HAD HAD GETTING THIS STRAIGHT FROM THE TOURIST DEVELOPMENT COUNCIL.

WE BROUGHT IT STRAIGHT TO THE BOARD BECAUSE THE PENNEY FARMS HAS BEEN WAITING ON IT FOR SOME TIME.

WE BROUGHT IT STRAIGHT TO THE BOARD INSTEAD OF DELAYING AND TAKING IT BACK TO FINANCE THAT TO THE BOARD. THAT'S WAIVER THAT WE NEED FOR THE PURCHASING POLICY.

>> OKAY. THANK YOU.

>> MR. CHAIRMAN, I'LL MOVE APPROVAL OF THE HISTORICAL% MUSEUM GRANT AND THE WAIVER OF THE PURCHASING POLICY.

>> I'LL SECOND >> ALL RIGHT.

ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSIONS? ALL RIGHT. MR. BOLLA?

>> AYE >> MR. ROLLINS?

>> AYE >> MR. CELLA?

AYE >> MS. HUTCHINS ?

>> AYE >> THE CHAIRMAN VOTES IN THE AFFIRMATIVE. THANK YOU SO MUCH.

MOVING ON TO ITEM 8, DISCUSSION OF HOUSEHOLD HAZARDOUS WASTE BUILDINGS. MR. TOWNS --

>> NUMBER SEVEN. >> SEAISEVEN, I'M SORRY.

[7.  Approval of Appointments to the Small County Coalition Board of Directors and Staff Liaison]

LIAISON. CURRENTLY P M MYSELF AND MR. ROS I BELIEVE HOLD THAT POSITION. BUT CHANCES ARE THAT NEITHER ONE OF US WILL BE AROUND COME THE FIRST OF THE YEAR.

AND PLEA MAYBE SOME OF YOU GUYSI DON'T KNOW YET.

WE CAN GO AHEAD -- >> ONLY TWO LEFT, BUDDY.

>> TWO LEFT, YOU'RE RIGHT. WE CAN GO AHEAD OR WE CAN JUST CONTINUE THIS TILL SUCH TIME WE HAVE A FULL BOARD SEATED AND THEN MAKE THE NECESSARY APPOINTMENTS.

WHAT'S THE PLEASURE OF THE BOARD?

>> THIS IS THROUGH THE FLORIDA ASSOCIATION OF COUNTIES AND THE SMALL COUNTY COALITION. I BELIEVE THEY'RE LOOKING FOR SOMEBODY TO JUMP ON BOARD NOW SO THAT THEY CAN PROVIDE INPUT TO THE -- I THINK A THEY ONLY MEET EVERY OTHER MONTH OR SO TO SEE WHAT ISSUES ARE AFFECTING SMALL COUNTY.

I WOULD THINK THAT WITHIN A COUPLE YEARS WE'LL BE OUTGROWING THE SMALL COUNTY TAG AT SOME POINT.

IF WE HAVEN'T ALREADY. THEY'D LIKE US THERE.

WE'LL HANG IN THERE FOR A BIT MORE.

>> THAT BEING THE FACT, THEN, COMMISSIONER CELLA, I APPRECIATE YOU AND COMMISSIONER BOLLA VOLUNTEERING FOR THIS POSITION

>> I WAS GOING TO SAY I NOMINATE BOTH OF US.

>> I SECOND THAT. >> SECOND

>> I LIKE TO SERVE WHEN ASKED >> I THINK WE JUST DID THAT BY CONSENSUS. SO WE WOULD MAKE DUE NOTIFICATION TO THOSE GROUPS THAT WE HAVE TWO OF OUR BEST THAT WE ARE GOING TO SEND TO THEM.

THANK YOU >> ARE WE SMALL A COUNTY, THOUGH? THESE GUYS HAVE BEEN OVER ME WHEWHEN I WAS A CHAIRMAN THERE R A WHILE.

I COULD NEVER SEE THAT CLAY COUNTY SHOULD SIGN UP TO BE SMALL COUNTY, THAT'S ALL. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE BF BENEFIS ARE. YOU GUYS HAVE GONE TO THE MEETINGS AND STUFF, I DON'T KNOW.

I'LL DO ANYTHING YOU SUGGEST, THOUGH.

>> THE LAST TIME I WAS AT A MEETING, I ASKED THAT VER

[01:55:03]

ALSO, THEY'LL NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAVE HOWARD DOWN AS OUR STAFF LIAISON. THEY STILL HAD STEPHANIE AS A CONTACT PERSON. MAYBMAYBE IT WAS CHIEF MOCK

>> WE'LL HAVE STAFF MAKE APPROPRIATE CHANGES. MUSICKING

[8.  Discussion of Household Hazardous Waste Buildings]

>> YES, SIR, MR. CHAIR >> GIVE US A QUICK OVERVIEW ON THAT. NOTHING EXTRAVAGANT.

TELL US WHERE WE ARE >> THIS IS JUST AN UPDATE.

THIS PROJECT TO REPLACE THE HOUSEHOLD HAZARDOUS WASTE BUILDINGS AT ROSEMARY HILL. IT'S BEEN ON YOUR PROJECT LIST AND IT'S A RATHER LARGE PROJECT. BUT THE BUILDINGS ARE DELIVERED.

THEY ARE INSTALLED. EVERYTHING IS HOOKED UP.

OUR STAFF IS USING THEM. THEY'RE A GREAT IMPROVEMENT OVER WHAT WE HAD PREVIOUSLY. SOME OF THE THINGS THAT ARE IMPROVED ARE THAT WE HAVE WIDER, TALLER BUILDINGS.

THEY'RE ROLL UP DOORS WHICH ALLOWS US TO PUT BATTERIES AND OTHER TEER MATERIALS IN AND OUTF THE STORAGE ROOMS WITH A FORK HP FORKLIFT. THAT THAT GOES WITH DRUMS OF MAL AS WELL. WE HAVE A LOT MORE STORAGE SPACE WITH SHELVING THAT IS STAINLESS STEEL SO IT'S NOT GOING TO CORRODE. WE EXPECT TO GET 20 OR MORE YEARS OF GOOD SERVICE OUT OF THESE BUILDINGS.

>> ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION?

>> I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE A TOUR OF THE FACILITIES TODAY.

I WAS AVAILING MYSELF OF MILTON SERVICES OUT THERE.

AND I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT IT'S A FIRST CLASS OPERATION.

THEY DID A GREAT JOB PUTTING THE STUFF TOGETHER.

I HAVE EVERY KF CONFIDENCE THEYE GOING TO SERVE US FOR AT LEAST 20 MORE YEARS. I WAS SURPRISED OF HOW MUCH MONEY WE PAID FOR IT AND WHAT WE GOT.

WHEN I DUG INTO IT, THERE WERE GRATES ON THE FLOORS IN CASE THERE'S A SPILL. KUDOS.

>> VERY GOOD. VERY GOOD.

ANYTHING ELSE? THIS WAS JUST AN UPDATE, AGAIN, THANK YOU, MILTON FOR DOING GOOD WORK OUT THERE AND COMING IN AND LETTING US KNOW WHERE YOU'RE AT IN THAT PROJECT.

MOVING ON TO ITEM 9. GENERAL FUND TRANSFER FROM

[9.  General Fund Transfer from Reserves - COVID-19 Response]

>> YES, SIR, CAN YOU HEAR ME? >> YES, TELL US WHAT WE'RE DOING

HERE >> OKAY, AS YOU KNOW AT THE BEGINNING OF THE EMERGENCY EVENT OF COVID-19 WE SET UP A SPECIAL DIVISION AND ALLOCATED FUNDING TO BEGIN ASSISTING THE PROCUREMENT TEAM IN PURCHASING THE SUPPLIES AND ALSO HAVING THEM IN THE SAME DIVISION FOR EASY REIMBURSEMENT IN THE FUTURE. SO THIS AMENDMENT IS KIND OF TO INCREASE THE FUNDS AND WE ARE REQUESTING ANOTHER $250,000 TO MOVE INTO THAT SPECIAL DIVISION SO WE CAN ENSURE THAT WE CAN PROVIDE TIMELY RESPONSE TO SERVE OUR CITIZENS IF NEED ARISES.

AND ALSO TO ASSIST THE PROCUREMENT TEAM TO PLACE THE ACQUISITIONS IN A TIMELY MANNER AND NOT LOSE THEIR PLACE IN THE QUEUE WHEN THE SUPPLIES ARE VERY LIMITED.

SO THAT'S THE AMENDMENT. AND ANY UNSPENT FUNDS WILL BE RETURNED BACK AT THE END OF THE FISCAL YEAR.

>> WHAWHAT WAS THE ORIGINAL AMOT WE SET UP FOR THE FUND?

>> $500,000 >> HOW MUCH OF THAT HAVE WE

SPENT? >> WE HAVE ONLY $112,000 LEFT.

>> OKAY. >> MY QUESTION WAS GOING TO BE HOW MUCH -- WHAT'S THE PRICE TAG ON THE COVID THING AND WE'RE STILL WORKING ON IT. WE'RE PROBABLY LOOKING AT A

MILLION DOLLARS BEFORE WEFICIALH >> THIS IS ONLY FOR OPERATIONAL SUPPLY AND THE PAYROLL ALLOCATED ACROSS THE DIVISIONS THAT PEOPLE WORK. I KNOW THAT PEOPLE ARE PUTTING THEIR FINAL THOUGHTS FOR REIMBURSEMENT PURPOSES

>> IS THERE A REIMBURSEMENT LIGHT AT THE END OF THIS TUNNEL?

>> COMMISSIONER, I THINK OUR COUNTY MAINTENANCE WILL HAVE MORE COMING UP. I DON'T THINK THERE'S A REIMBURSEMENT PROGRAM BUT THERE'S FEDERAL MONEY THAT THE STATE HAS THEY'VE BEEN HOLDING AND WE'RE GOING TO BE ASKING FOR

[02:00:03]

>> IF I MAY, MR. CHAIR >> GO AHEAD

>> WITH THE REIMBURSEMENT IS 75/25 FOR THIS AT THE NATIONAL LEVEL. STATE LEVEL IS 12 .5%.

87 .5% IS WHAT WE CAN EXPECT BACK, COMMISSIONER BOLLA, ON THIS. I KNOW THAT JOHN WAS MEETING WITH FOLKS FROM THE STATE EARLIER TODAY TO KIND OF GO OVER INITIAL NUMBERS. WE'VE BEEN IN CONTACT WITH THEM AND THEY'VE KIND OF KNOW OUR BURN RATE AND WE KNOW WHAT WE'VE BEEN ASKING FOR FOR THAT. SO THE OTHER PART THAT -- TO STEAL THUNDER WAS SOMETHING I DID ASK JACKIE TO SEND OUT A LETTER WHICH I'LL HAVE IN MY COMMENTS.

THERE IS OTHER MONEYS AVAILABLE THAT ARE OUT THERE THAT ARE RELATED TO THE FEDERAL C.A.R.E.S. ACT.

>> YOU GET 7% BACK YOU'VE EARNED YOUR PAY

>> YES, SIR, GOT IT. >> WHAT'S THE BOARD'S PLEASURE

ON THIS? >> MOVE APPROVAL.

>> I'LL SECOND. >> MOVE APPROVAL AND A SECOND.

COMMISSIONER ROLLINS? >> AYE

>> COMMISSIONER CELLA >> AYE

>> COMMISSIONER BOLLA >> AYE

>> AND THE CHAIR VOTES IN THE AFFIRMATIVE.

OKAY, MOVING ON TO ITEM 10. GENERAL FUND TRANSFER FROM

[10.  General Fund Transfer from Reserves - Amendment 10 Transition of Finance Dept.]

MR. HOUSEHOLDER? >> YES, I AM.

>> TAKE IT AWAY, BROTHER >> AS STATED, IN ORDER TO ACCOMMODATE THE MOVE FROM FREDDIE MAC AMENDMENT 10, WE HAT INTO OFFICE SPACE. LET ME SEE IF I CAN PULL UP A COUPLE DOCUMENTS TO SHARE. CAN YOU SEE A LAYOUT?

>> YES. >> THIS IS THE FILE STORAGE AREA. DOWN AT THE BOTTOM AND THE TOP LEFT, THAT'S THE VENT. IT'S AN AUTOMATED FILE STORAGE FLOOR TO CEILING, 700 FEET OF THAT, SQUARE FOOTAGE.

NEED TO TAKE THAT OUT AND THEN REDO THE FLOOR.

ADD WORK ISPACE INTO THIS AREA. ACROSS THE HALL FROM THERE WE HAVE ANOTHER FAMILY COURT SERVICE AREA THAT WE HAVE TO REMOVE A PLATFORM. THERE'S -- THAT WILL GIVE US TE FULL BLUE BOX TO PUT MORE WORK SPACES IN.

THIS WILL ADEQUATELY ACCOMMODATE INITIALLY THE PERSONNEL NEEDED TO WORK IN THAT SPACE. I'LL PUT SLIDES O ON AGAIN.

THIS IS THE BUDGET FOR THAT PROJECT.

SHELVING REMOVAL. NEXT WEEK, $22,000.

FLOORINGFOR BOTH OF THOSE SPACES, WE HAVE TO PULL UP THE ALLOCATED FLOOR AND REDO THE CARPETING

>> JAMES, WE STILL SHOW THE FAMILY COURT SERVICES LAYOUT.

COULD YOU DISPLAY THE BUDGET? >> YES, SIR.

LET ME SWITCH BACK. >> YOU PROBABLY HAVE TO UNSHARE AND THEN SHARE AGAIN. THERE WE GO

>> GOT IT NOW, SIR? >> YES, SIR.

>> I'LL START OVER. SHELVING REMOVAL.

SHELVING IS COMING OUT TODAY THROUGH NEXT WEDNESDAY, CO COSTF $22,000. OFFICE FURNITURE, THIS IS A GOOD NUMBER, WE HAVE IT BACK ON ALREADY 48.

CONSTRUCTION WAS THE REMOVAL OF THE COUNTERS, THIS NUMBER IS HIGH. WE'RE GOING TO DO A LOT OF THIS.

[02:05:01]

>> I HAVE NONE. WHO IS PERFORMING THE WORK ON THIS, JAMES, THE CONSTRUCTION PART OF IT?

>> BUILDING MAINTENANCE WILL TAKE OUT THE OLD FLOORING AND THE PLATFORM AND WILL GET INTO CONSTRUCTING THE WALLS OURSELVES AND REMOVING THE COUNTER. FIRST WE ASKED FOR A CONTRACTOR TO COME IN AND REMODEL THE SPACE, BUT WE CHANGED OUR PLANS ON THAT A LITTLE BIT. WE'LL TRY TO SAVE AND DO WHAT WE

CAN IN HOUSE >> OKAY.

ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? >> LET ME ASK A GENERAL QUESTION. HOW MUCH HAVE WE SPENT SO MUCH ON THIS -- I CAN'T COMPLAIN TOO MUCH ABOUT THIS BEC.

WHAT WAS THE NUMBER ON THE PERSONNEL, 2 $.2 MILLION MORE? NOW WE'VE GOT TO DO REMODELING. IN THE FUTURE GOING FORWARD, IS THERE ANY RELIEF FOR THE EXTRA PEOPLE WE HAD TO HIRE OR

ANYTHING FROM THE STATE? >> NO.

>> WE PAID -- CURRENTLY WE PAID OUT I BELIEVE IT WAS $60,000 TOO HAVE ROB LEMMON AND HIS GROUP ANALYZE AND PROVIDE US THE INFORMATION. UP TO THAT -- TO THIS POINT HERE, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, JAMES, DID YOU HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL COSTS YOU HAD ON YOUR SIDE?

>> NOT AS OF YET, SIR. >> AND THEN ON -- ON THE PERSONL SIDE, HAVE THERE BEEN ANY ADDITIONAL COSTS AS OF YET?

>> TO DATE THERE HAVEN'T BEEN ADDITIONAL PERSONNEL COSTS.

THAT'S ANTICIPATED THAT AS THEY MOVE FORWARD AND THE TRANSITION COOCCURS, I THINK PRIOR TO THE LAST PRESENTATION THAT'S WHAT HE DISCUSSED, THE ADDITIONAL COSTS THAT WILL INCUR WITH THE BEGINNING OF THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR.

>> THE ATTENTION I GUESS FOR THE BCC TO INCUR THE COST AND NOT

THE CLERK? >> UNFORTUNATELY THE WAY THE AMENDMENT READ, THE FINANCE RESPONSIBILITY FALLS BACK ONTO

THE -- >> ON WHO?

>> THE BOARD. >> OKAY.

>> WE GOT NOTHING FOR AN INCREASE OF ABOUT $3 MILLION A YEAR IT LOOKS LIKE, RIGHT? I DON'T SEE THIS AS AN IMPROVED PROCESS. WE GOT MORE PEOPLE DOING THE SAME WORK. ALL RIGHT.

GOVERNMENT AT WORK. GOOD JOB, GUYS

>> VOTERS HAVE VOTED, COMMISSIONER

>> YES, SIR. >> AND I THINK AS THIS PROGRESSES, COMMISSIONER BOLLA, YOU KNOW, I DEFINITELY WATCH THE LINES OF BUDGET AND THE MONEYS THAT ARE BEING SPEND.

WE'LL HAVE SOME NUMBERS FOR YOU AS THIS PROGRESSED WITH REGARDS TO THE ORGANIZATIONAL STRUCTURE AS ROB HAS BEEN BRIEFING.

WHAT THE PURCHASING WOULD LOOK LIKE ON OUR SIDE AND SIDE BY SIDE COSTS. I'LL HAVE THAT FOR THE BOARD, TOO, SO Y'ALL ARE FAMILIAR WITH THIS UPCOMING BUDGET.

>> COULD WE GET A NUMBER ON SALARY INCREASE OR WHAT IT'S GOING TO COST US TO FUND THE NEW EMPLOYEES?

>> YES, SIR. THAT WILL B BE UPCOMING ALSO.

I HAVE THE INITIAL BUDGET THE CLERK HAS SUBMITTED, IT'S VERY COMPARABLE TO WHAT WE'RE CURRENTLY BUDGETED IN THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT AS IT RIGHT NOW.

SO THERE'S NO MAJOR SIGNIFICANT SWINGS WITH REGARDS TO SALARIES

OR PAY OR ANYTHING AS SUCH. >> HOW IS IT POSSIBLE? WE STILL HAVE PLO MOST OF THE PE WE HAD IN OUR OLD DEPARTMENT

>> MOST OF THE PEOPLE -- OVER 80% OF THE PERSONNEL WITHIN FINANCE WILL TRANSITION OVER TO THE CLERK.

THEN THE FUNDING ARE THOSE SALARIES AND BUDGET -- I'LL GIVE YOU THAT NUMBER AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.

>> THAT'S ADDI ADDITIVE TO WHATE CLERK IS SPENDING TO DO THE SAME

JOB, IS THAT CORRECT? >> AGAIN, TO DO THE SAME JOB, FINANCE TO FINANCE, MI MIXING APPLES TO APPLES, THE BUDGET IS VERY COMPARABLE. LIKE I SAID.

WHEN YOU ADD ON THE OMB PORTION TO THE BCC THAT IS WHERE THE ADDED COSTS WOULD COME INTO PLAY.

YES, SIR. IF THAT MAKES SENSE.

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>> WE'VE GOT TWICE AS MANY PEOPLE DOING THE SAME AMOUNT OF

WORK >> IT WON'T BE TWICE AS MANY, NO, SIR. LOREN CAN WEIGH IN ON THIS.

WHEN YOU COMPARE CHARTS TO WHAT THE CLERK'S FINANCE DEPARTMENT WOULD BE OVER THERE VERSUS OUR OWN, CAN YOU ADDRESS THAT IN

NUMBERS? >> I DON'T HAVE THE CHARTS IN FRONT OF ME. THEY'RE ACTUALLY SITTING IN THE OFFICE. WHAT I CAN TALK ABOUT IS WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE TRANSITION AS WE'VE BEEN WORKING THROUGH THIS, WHAT THE BOARD MAY LOSE TO ALLOW FOR THE TRANSFER TO GO TO THE CLERK IS THAT THE ECONOMY AT THE SCALE WE WOULD HAVE SEEN IN A COMBINED BUDGET OPERATION WILL HAVE TO SEPARATE IT.

THAT'S WHERE I THINK THE ADDITIONAL PERSONNEL FOR THE OMB

SIDE ARE REFLECTED. >> WE'RE BACK TO THE PROPOSITION WHERE WE STARTED, THE APPROVAL OF TRANSFER OF $150,000 OUT OF OUR GENERAL FUND RESERVES. WHAT'S THE BOARD'S PLEASURE

SENATOR >> APPROVAL

>> SECOND >> MR. BOLLA?

>> NAY >> SAY AGAIN?

>> NO >> COMMISSIONER CELLA

>> AYE >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHINS?

>> AYE >> THE CHAIRMAN VOTES IN THE AFFIRMATIVE. ITEM TEN HAS PASSED. LET'S MOVE ON. WE'RE DOWN TO NUMBER 12, TOURISM

[12.  RFP #19/20-7, Tourism Department Advertising Agency of Record.]

MS. MORGAN? >> YES, SIR.

THE TOURISM DEPARTMENT HAS GONE THROUGH THE RFP PROCESS.

WE ARE RECOMMENDING THE AWARD FOR THE AGENCY OF RECORD TO BE THE NUMBER ONE RANKED FIRM, WHICH IS EVOK ADVERTISING.

>> AND THIS IS A THREE-YEAR COMMITMENT, IS THAT CORRECT

>> YES, SIR IT'S A THREE-YEAR COMMITMENT WITH THE OPTION FOR

TWO ONE-YEAR RENEWALS. >> QUESTIONS, COMMENTS?

MOTION? >> I'LL MOVE THE ITEM

>> I'LL SECOND >> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS, YOUR

VOTE? >> AYE

>> COMMISSIONER CELLA >> AYE

>> COMMISSIONER BOLLA >> AYE

>> COMMISSIONER HUTCHINS >> AYE

>> AND THE CHAIRMAN VOTES IN THE AFFIRMATIVE.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MS. MORGAN

>> THANK YOU. >> OKAY, MOVING ON TO ITEM 13,

[13.  Amendment to the Mission Critical Partners, LLC Agreement #2019/2020-81]

TROY NAGLE >> YES, SIR.

GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS. THIS IS MISSION CRITICAL PARTNERS IS THE GLEU GROUP DOINR 911 CONSUL CONSOLIDATION STUDY.

THEY CAME BACK AND SAID THAT THEY DID NOT FEEL IT WOULD BE PRUDENT OF THEM TO DO A FULL STUDY BECAUSE THEY QUICKLY REALIZED THAT CONSOLDAIGDZ WAS S THE BEST OPTION FOR THE COUNTY.

THEIR RECOMMENDATION WAS TO DO A SCOPE CHANGE.

THEY'LL PROVIDE US A STUDY SHOWING THE BENEFITS OF CONSOLIDATION. BUT THEY WOULD LIKE TO DO AN IMPLEMENTATION PLAN SO THAT IT WOULD BE CONSULIDATION AND CONS.

THAT'S THE FIRST PART OF TO. THE SECOND PART IS TO ADD $28,00$28,000. IN THE EVENT OF A DISASTER, COVID, OUR PLAN HAS ALR ALWAYS N TO RELOCATE TO ANOTHER COUNTY IF WE CANNOT RELOCATE TO ONE OF OUR FACILITIES.

AS COVID HAS SHOWED US IT'S NOT A REALITY ANYMORE BECAUSE NOBODY WILL LET THEM COME TO THEIR FACILITY IF THEY FEEL THERE'S AN ISSUE. WE'RE ASKING NOT ONLY FOR THE CHANGE IN SCOPE, BUT ALSO THE ADDITIONAL PROJECT FOR THEM TO

DO A STUDY. >> HOW MUCH MONEY IS THIS SAVING

US, TROY? >> IT'S NOT -- IT'S AN ADDITIONAL $28,850. WHAT IT'S DOING IS INSTEAD OF THEM COMING BACK AFTER THEY DO THE STUDY AND US DOING AN IMPLEMENTATION PLAN, THEY'RE GOING TO ROLL THE STUDY AND

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IMPLEMENTATION PLAN TOGETHER. >> HERE'S AN IDEA, THEY'VE ALREADY SAID IT'S A GOOD IDEA. WHY DO WE NEED TO STUDY THE WHOLE THING AGAIN? CANCEL THE CONTRACT AND MOVE ON

OUR WAY >> I THINK WE WOULD STILL WANT SOMEBODY TO TELL US THE BEST METHOD TO IMPLEMENT

CONSOLIDATION >> WOULD THAT BE OUR OWN -- ALL RIGHT. YOU DON'T THINK OUR PEOPLE CAN

HANDLE THAT? >> THERE'S A LOT OF MOVING PIECPIECES WITH POLICIES, HOW YU INTEGRATE CALL CENTERS TOGETHER THAT WOULD BE BETTER SERVED FROM ANOAN OUTSIDER LOOKING IN

>> THERE WAS ALSO SOMEONE I READ ABOUT ORANGE PARK AND GREEN COVE SPRINGS NOT BEING PART OF THAT. WHAT'S THE STATUS?

>> THEY WERE BOTH AT THIS POINT IN TIME NOT IN FAVOR OF CONSOLIDATING IN THE CALL CENTER WITH US.

>> HOW IS THAT GOING TO CHANGE ANYTHING THAT'S GOING ON RIGHT NOW IF THEY DON'T CHANGE WITH US AND WE CHANGE?

>> ANY POINT THAT HAPPENED IN THE COUNTY OTHER THAN INSIDE THE MUNICIPALITIES WOULD BE ROUTED TO A CONSOLIDATED CALL CENTER.

ANYONE WHO LIVES IN THE TWO CITIES WOULD EXPERIENCE THE SAME SERVICE LEVEL THEY'RE EXPERIENCING TODAY

>> IT WOULD GO FROM OUR CONSOLIDATED CALL CENTER TO THEM OR WHEN THEY DIAL 911 THERE IT GOES RIGHT TO THEM?

>> IF YOU'RE INSIDE THE CITY AND YOU'RE ON A LANDLINE, IT WOULD GO TO THE CITY. AND THEN THE CITY WOULD HAVE TO TRANSFER TO THE COUNTY FOR ANY MEDICAL SERVICES.

>> IS THAT FOR GREEN COVE OR ORANGE PARK AS WELL?

>> IT WOULD BE FOR BOTH, SIR >> WHAT ABOUT THE POLICE CALLS?

>> POLICE CALL -- THE WAY IT WORKS IS ANYTIME YOU DIAL A LANDLINE CALL IT WOULD GO TO THOSE MUNICIPALITIES.

IF THEY THOUGHT THEY COULD HANDLE IT THEY WOULD HANDLE IT INTERNALLY. IIF THEY FELT THEY NEEDED TODAY NEEDED TOTRANSFER IT THEY WOULDR IT TO OUR CONSOLIDATED CENTER

>> IS THAT WHAT THEY DOING NOW, ANSWERING THE CALLS AND REFERRING TO SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT IF THEY NEED THAT?

>> RIGHT NOW THEY GO TEE THE SHERITO THESHERIFF'S DEPARTMENTY NEED IT AND IF THEY NEED MEDICAL SERVES THEY GO TO PUBLIC SAFETY

>> THERE'S NO IMPROVEMENT FROM THE MUNICIPALITIES TO US, THERE'S NO CHANGE IN THAT SYSTEM THERE?

>> NOT UNDER THIS CURRENT PROPOSAL

>> ALL RIGHT. >> I'VE GOT A SNEAKING SUSPICION THIS TOPIC IS GOING TO OUTLIVE 800 MEGAHERTZ.

WE'RE STILL GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT THAT.

WHAT DO YOU SAY, COMMISSIONER BOLLA? IT'S GOING TO BE AROUND FOR A WHILE, I HAVE A FEELING.

OKAY. BUT BACK TO THE AGREEMENT.

BOARD'S PLEASURE. >> I'LL MOVE APPROVAL WITH THE

INCREASE OF $28,850 >> IS THERE A SECOND --

>> HOLD IT >> THE WAIVER OF THE PURCHASE PG

POLICY? >> AS WELL AS THE WAIVER OF THE

PURCHASING POLICY >> IS THERE A SECOND?

T >> I'LL MAKE IT A SECOND

>> ALL RIGHT. COMMISSIONER ROLLINS, YOUR VOTE

>> NO >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA

>> I WAS GOING TO ASK THE LAST QUESTION HERE, WHY ARE WE

WAIVING THE POLICY AGAIN? >> BECAUSE WE'RE ADDING A SERVICE THAT WAS NOT ORIGINALLY ANTICIPATED AS PART OF THE RFP.

>> $28,000 >> YES, SIR

>> COMMISSIONER HUTCHINS?AY AYE- >> AYE

>> COMMISSIONER CELLA >> AYE

>> THE CHAIRMAN VOTES IN THE AFFIRMATIVE.

THANK YOU >> THANK YOU.

>> MOVING ON TO ITEM 14. SECOND RENEWAL AND FIRST

[14.  Second Renewal and First Amendment to Clay County Agreement #17/18-93, Swimming Pool Management, Lifeguard Staffing, and Swim Instruction (Camp Chowenwaw County Park)]

CA >> JAMES IS STANDING BY --

>> DO YOU WANT TO GIVE US A QUICK RUNDOWN ON THIS, SIR?

>> YES, MR. CHAIR. THIS IS OUR AGREEMENT WITH THE YMCA FOR THE MANAGEMENT OF THE POOL.

WE WEREN'T EVEN SURE WE WERE GOING TO BE ABLE TO HAVE AN AGREEMENT THIS YEAR WITH THE WHOLE COVID DEAL.

NOW THAT WE'RE OPENING BACK, TO KIND OF ST SCRAMBLE, WE ARE SHOOTING FOR THE 15TH RIGHT NOW.

THE COST ESTIMATES IS 63,000. IT WILL BE REDUCED BECAUSE OF

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>> SAY THAT LAST SENTENCE AGAIN, SIR

>> I ESTIMATE THIS COST TO BE AROUND $30,000 TO $36,000 THIS YEAR BECAUSE OF THE LATE START. WE NEVER SPEND THE MAX IN THE AGREEMENT. THAT'S IF WE USED EVERY HOUR EVERY DAY THAT THE POOL COULD BE OPENED.

BUT BECAUSE OF WEATHER DELAY AND OTHER THINGS WE TYPICALLY ONLY USE AROUND $40,000. LAST YEAR'S COSTS WERE $43,000

>> WHY ARE WE WAIVING THE PURCHASING POLICY AGAIN?

>> WE DID NOT TAKE THIS TO FMA BECAUSE IT WAS A SCRAMBLE.

WE DIDN'T KNOW IF WE WERE GOING TO BE ABLE TO GET THE AGREEMENT IN PLACE. WE LIFTED THE RESTRICTIONS WE GOT BACK IN THE NEGOTIATIONS FOR THE AGREEMENT WITH THE Y.

>> MR. CHAIRMAN, I'LL MOVE THIS ITEM BECAUSE KIDS NEED TO GET OUT THERE AND GET EXERCISE AND SUNSHINE

>> IS THERE A SECOND? >> SECOND

>> COMMISSIONER BOLLA, SECOND. >> WE JUST FOR THE RECORD MAKE SURE THE MOTION INCLUDED THE WAIVER

>> THIS INCLUDES THE WAIVER? >> YES, SIR, IT INCLUDES THE

WAIVER. >> SECOND ON THAT --

>> I DON'T LIKE IT, BUT I UNDERSTAND.

>> OKAY. VOTE, COMMISSIONER ROLLINS

>> AYE >> COMMISSIONER CELLA

>> AYE >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA

>> AYE >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHINS

>> AYE >> THE CHAIRMAN VOTES IN THE AFFIRMATIVE. THANK YOU SO MUCH.

LET THE KIDS SWIM. ALL RIGHT.

MOVING ON TO ITEM 15. PUBLIC SCHOOL CONCURRENCY

[15.  Clay County Public School Concurrency Proportionate Share Mitigation Agreement between the School Board of Clay County, Florida, Bradley Creek Holdings LLC and Clay County]

>> COMMISSIONER, THIS IS THE AGREEMENT THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN IN FRONT OF THE SCHOOL BOARD AND THEY HAVE APPROVED IT.

IT PROVIDES FOR IN CONNECTION WITH THE BRADLEY CREEK DEVELOPMENT THAT'S PLANNED IN THE LAKE ASBURY AREA.

IT IS FOR BOTH A SINGLE FAMILY AND MULTIFAMILY D DWELLING UNIT.

WITH THE CONNECTION WITH THE SCHOOL CONCURRENCY, THEY HAVE AN IMPACT OF A LITTLE OVER 6 $.4 MILLION.

THAT'S PROVIDED FOR IN THE AGREEMENT.

THE COUNTY'S ROLE IN THIS IS MINISTERIAL IN THE SENSE THAT WE JUST HELP OVERSEE IT AND MONITOR IT.

THIS WOULD JUST BE APPROVING THE AGREEMENT TO ALLOW FOR THAT CONCURRENCY AGREEMENT WITH BRADLEY CREEK AND THE SCHOOL

BOARD. >> QUESTIONS?

MOTION? >> SO MOVED.

>> IS THERE A SECOND? >> SECOND

>> VERY GOOD. COMMISSIONER ROLLINS, VERY GOOD.

COMMISSIONERMM BOLLA, YOUR VOTE, SIR

>> AYE >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHINS

>> AYE >> COMMISSIONER CELLA

>> AYE >> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS

>> AYE >> AND THE CHAIR VOTES IN THE

[16.  Clay County Public School Concurrency Proportionate Share Mitigation Agreement between the School Board of Clay County, Florida, Armstrong Development, Inc. and Clay County]

>> THIS IS IDENTICAL TYPE OF AGREEMENT.

IT'S IN CONNECTION WITH A MULTIFAMILY PROPERTY UP IN THE OAKLEAF AREA, SO THE BRANNAN FIELD AREA.

AND IN CONNECTION WITH THIS TE AMOUNT THAT IS REQUIRED IS A LITTLE OVER $69,000. AND, AGAIN, THE AGREEMENT IS MINISTERIAL AS FAR AS THE COUNTY AND HAS ALREADY BEEN APPROVED BY

THE SCHOOL BOARD. >> CAN I ASK A QUESTION? WHAT'S THE MECHANICS OF HOW THIS MONEY TRANSFERS AND WHEN?

>> IT'S REALLY DEPENDENT ON EACH AGREEMENT.

IN CONNECTION WITH THIS AGREEMENT, BECAUSE THERE ARE DIFFERENT PHASES, THE OAKLEAF PROJECT.

BECAUSE THE PHASE ONE DOES NOT AFFECT THE LEVEL OF SERVICE, THIS DOES NOT KICK IN UNTIL PHASE TWO OF THE DEVELOPMENT.

THE PHASE ONE IS FOR 249 MULTIFAMILY DWELLING UNITS.

WHEN PHASE 2 KICKS IN FOR THE 2251 IT THEN KICKS IN.

THE AGREEMENT USUALLY PROVIDES FOR PAYMENT AT THE TIME OF APPROVAL OF THE CONSTRUCTION PLANS.

RECALL THAT THEY DO GET A CREDIT AGAINST THE SCHOOL IMPACT FEE IN CONNECTION WITH THE CONCURRENCY PAYMENT.

>> IS THERE A RESERVATION INVOLVED AS WELL?

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>> AS FAR AS -- >> YEAH, THE PHASE ONE IS NOT -- IS EXEMPT FROM PAYING IF ANOTHER DEVELOPER STEPS UP AND DECIDES THEY WANT TO BUILD AND THE PHASE ONE IS NOT BUILDING, WHAT

HAPPENS? >> WELL, I THINK THAT IF PHASE ONE -- IF IT DOESN'T FLOW AS THEY HAVE IT LAID OUT IT WOULD HAVE TO BE REEVALUATED. IF PHASE ONE DOESN'T BUILD OUT, THEN I DON'T THINK THAT THEY WOULD NEED THE SPOTS IN THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL FOR THE PHASE TWO.

SO WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE SCHOOL BOARD TO REEVALUATE THE

PLAN. >> BUT THE SCHOOL BOARD MAKES

THAT CALL, RIGHT? >> RIGHT, THAT'S NOT US

>> ALL RIGHT. >> BOARD'S PLEASURE.

>> MOVE APPROVAL. >> SECOND?

>> SECOND >> COMMISSIONER CELLA

>> AYE >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHINS

>> AYE >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA

>> AYE >> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS

>> AYE >> AND THE CHAIRMAN VOTES IN THE AFFIRMATIVE. THANK YOU.

THAT TAKES CARE OF ITEM 16. DOWN TO 17, COUNTY MANAGER, DROR

[17.  DOR - Revenue Update]

REVENUE UPDATE >> I WAS HOPING TO HAVE SOME DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE UPDATES AND JUST TEXTED DEBBIE.

WE DON'T HAVE OUR ALLOCATED FUNDS YET INTO OUR ACCOUNT.

I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S GOOD NEWS OR BAD NEWS, BUT THERE WAS A HAHOLIDAY HERE. I DON'T HAVE THAT UPDATE, BUT I DO HAVE AN UPDATE WITH REGARDS TO THE LETTER THAT WAS SPOKEN ABOUT BEFORE. BUT, AGAIN, AS SOON AS I GET THE UPDATES I'LL JUST ENGAGE WITH THE INDIVIDUAL TO LET YOU KNOW WHERE WE STAND FOR OUR DRAW FOR MAY.

THERE IS SOME INFORMATION WITH REGARDS TO C.A.R.E.S. ACT FUNDING TO SIMPLIFY IT, THE STATE OF FLORIDA RECEIVED $8 BILLION FROM THE FEDS. AND OUT OF THAT $8 BILLION, $4 BILLION WAS PUT ASIDE WITH THE REMAINDER $4 BILLION THAT WAS SPLIT APPROXIMATELY 2 $.4 MILLION WENT TO 12 COUNTIES. THERE WAS APPORTIONED BY THEIR CENSUS, 500,000 OR MORE FOR THEIR POPULATIONS.

A FEW OTHER MUNICIPALITIES RECEIVED SOME FUNDING.

THAT LEFT APPROXIMATELY 1 $.2 BILLION TO BE SPREAD OUT AMONGST THE OTHER 55 COUNTIES AND APPROXIMATELY OVER 400 MUNICIPALITIES STATE-WIDE. IF YOU TAKE THEM OUT AND STICK BY WHAT THEY WENT BEFORE BY CENSUS, AND BY POPULATION NUMBERS, THAT WOULD EQUATE TO APPROXIMATELY $14 MILLION THAT CLAY COUNTY AND OUR MUNICIPALITIES WOULD RECEIVE.

I WOULD PROPOSE TO THE BOARD PER THE LETTER THAT WAS SENT OUT, AS I MENTIONED BEFORE BY JACKIE, WE HAVE TAKEN A LOOK AT IT.

COURTENEY HAS TAKEN A LOOK AT IT JUST TO MAKE SURE WE'RE GOOD TO GO ACROSS THE BOARD. BUT I WOULD REQUEST AT THE BOARD'S PLEASURE THE CHAIRMAN COULD SIGN THE LETTER.

WE'D GET IT SENT OUT TO THE GOVERNOR REQUESTING OUR FAIR SHARE OF FUNDING. ANY QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSIONS ON

THAT? >> HOW FAST CAN WE GET IT THERE?

>> GOT TO ASK. >> THIS WILL DEPEND.

I ASKED -- I NOTICE -- I GAVE A PHONE CALL TO CHRIS DOOLIN TO SEE IF THERE WERE ANY UPDATES. THERE WAS A MEETING AT ABOUT 1:00 OR SO TO KIND OF DISCUSS THIS.

DID YOU HAVE ANY UPDATES FROM CHRIS? YOU'RE STILL MUTED, THERE YOU GO.

>> I DID TALK TO CHRIS. IT CAME OUT OF THAT -- CAN YOU

HEAR ME? >> YEAH, WE GOT YOU.

>> NO DRIVING AND REPORTING THERE

>> NO DRIVING. >> I'M NOT DRIVING, I PROMISE.

>> YOU'RE BUSTED. >> NOTHING NEW, REALLY, JUST GOOD POWERPOINT STUFF TODAY. SEND THAT LETTER.

I TOLD HIM WE WERE ABOUT TO VOTE IT IN THE NEXT FEW MINUTES.

LET'S MOVE ON. >> PERFECT.

>> I WILL ADD THAT THEY SAID THAT THE GOVERNOR IS WORRIED ABOUT THE LOCAL COUNTIES AND CITIES NOT SPENDING THE MONEY CORRECTLY. THEY'VE BEEN TELLING THE

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WE'VE GOT TO MAKE SURE WE SPEND IT CORRECTLY.

IT'S A LITTLE OVER $14 MILLION FOR THE COUNTY AND THE MUNICIPALITIES WITHIN THE COUNTY.

IT'S A PRETTY GOOD AMOUNT. >> IF YOU DON'T ASK, YOU CERTAINLY DON'T GET. THIS IS OUR EFFORT IN GETTING -- WHAT DID YOU CALL IT? OUR FAIR ■SHARE?

>> OUR FAIR SHARE. $2 BILLION, YES, SIR.

AND THEN IF IT'S OKAY FOR THE PLEASURE OF THE BOARD, I DON'T

KNOW, JUST CONSENSUS ON THAT. >> YEAH, I DON'T THINK WE NEED A MOTION. I DON'T BELIEVE ANYONE'S GOING TO BEAT US UP BY SAYING I DIDN'T VOTE FOR THAT.

VERY GOOD. THANK YOU, SIR, FOR TAKING THE

LEAD ON THAT >> YES, SIR, I HAD A FEW OTHER

ITEMS >> GO AHEAD

>> I KNOW IT'S GETTING LATE AND I KNOW DINNER'S WAITIN.

SO A FEW THINGS TO TALK ABOUT, AS ALLUDED TO OUR FINANCE AND AUDIT AND PLANNING AND ZONING COMMITTEE MEETINGS WILL BE IN PERSON HERE AT THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATION BUILDING STARTING ON JUNE 2. WE'VE GONE THIS ROUTE, COURTENEY HAS DRAWN UP THE ANNOUNCEMENT. WE HAVE AN OPTION FOR FOLKS TO DIAL IN IF THEY DON'T FEEL SAFE COMING HERE.

I CAN ASSURE THE PUBLIC WE'LL BE SCREENING FOLKS TO COME INTO THE BOARD ROOM AND MAKING SURE THAT -- AND HIGHLY RECOMMEND THEY HAVE A MASK. IF THEY DON'T HAVE MASK AVAILABLE WE'LL PROVIDE A SURGEICAL MASURGICAL MASK.

WE'LL DO WHAT THE CDC RECOMMENDS WITH REGARDS TO THAT.

IT IS A -- WE'LL KEEP PHYSICAL DISTANCING WITHIN THE BOARDROOM AND HAVE PEOPLE SIT AWAY FROM EACH OTHER.

THAT KIND OF ADDRESSES THE EARLIER CONCERN OF MS. COLLINS ON OPENING UP AND HAVING IN PERSON MEETINGS.

BUT ALSO TO RESPECT THE FACT THERE ARE RESIDENTS OUT THERE THAT ARE FEARFUL OF THIS VIRUS AND SHOULD BE.

IT REMAINS WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY. SO ANY QUESTIONS OR GUIDANCE ON THAT? I HAVE A COUPLE OF OTHER NUMBERS

ON THAT >> I HAVE A QUESTION.

>> YES, MA'AM >> ARE YOU SAYING THAT THE MASKS ARE AVAILABLE IF THE PERSON CHOOSES TO WEAR IT OR ARE YOU

SAYING THEY'RE MANDATORY? >> I'M SAYING THEY'RE HIGHLY RECOMMENDED FOR USE, YES, MA'AM. IF SOMEONE DID COME IN AND WANTED A MASK WE'D HAVE A MASK AVAILABLE

>> THANK YOU >> I THINK WHAT'S IMPORTANT TO TALK ABOUT WITH REGARDS TO THESE UNPRECEDENTED TIMES AND THIS PANDEMIC. IF I MAY JUST REAL QUICK -- AS I HAVE DOING THE PAST FOUR TIMES BRIEFING WHERE WE STAND WITH REGARDS TO CASES. I WANT TO START OFF -- HOPEFULLY YOU ALL CAN SEE HERE MY SCREEN WHICH GIVES THE TOTAL CASES THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE U.S. 1 .6 MILLION. YOU CAN SEE THE DELTA AND THE NEW CASES DAY OVER DAY OVER ALMOST 25,000 NEW CASES.

THE TOTAL NUMBER OF DEATHS IS APPROACHING 100,000, AND THE NUMBER OF DEATHS INCREASE DAY OVER DAY 592 DEATHS.

THIS IS ONE OF MANY SITES THAT ANY RESIDENTS CAN GO TO TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE NUMBERS. IF YOU'RE FEELING SICK, COPING WITH THE VIRUS AND THAT, AND SPECIFICALLY -- YOU SHOULD SEE NOW, YOU CAN CONFIRM FOR ME FOR THE STATE OF FLORIDA, AND A COUNTY BY COUNTY, THE NUMBER OF TOTAL CASES, THE PERCENTAGE OF STATE CASES, CASES PER 100,000 AND THE TOTAL NUMBER OF DEATHS.

IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SEEING THERE.

I WANTED TO POINT OUT CLAY COUNTY IS MIDWAY THROUGH THERE.

WE'RE 165 PER 100,000 CASES. WE HAVE A TOTAL NUMBER OF POSITIVES, WHICH I'LL GO OVER HERE.

IT'S 365. WE WENT UP THREE POSITIVES DAY OVER DAY. AND YOU CAN OBVIOUSLY SEE THE TOTAL NUMBER OF DEATHS. OUT OF THE NUMBER OF DEATHS, 19 OUT OF THOSE 27 HAVE BEEN RELATED TO ASSISTED LIVING FACILITIES. JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA.

AS I CHANGE TO MY NEXT SCREEN WHICH IS THE DASHBOARD I NORMALLY BRIEF FROM. 365, AS I SAID, 27 DEATHS, AND 88 ARE HOSPITALIZED. AND THAT'S A PLUS ONE DAY OVER DAY ON THAT. AND JUST TO GET AN IDEA WHICH IS NOT REFLECTED ON HERE, THERE ARE SIX PAI PATIENTS THAT ARE BATTLG THIS VIRUS WITHIN THE ICUS. SO SIX.

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AS YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THIS, THE TIMELINE IS THAT ON THE 9TH OF MARCH THE GOVERNOR DECLARED A STATE OF EMERGENCY FOR THE STATE OF FLORIDA. WE RECEIVED NOTIFICATION OF OUR FIRST POSITIVE ON THE 12TH OF MARCH, OF WHICH AT 0800 ON THE 13TH OF MARCH, THAT FRIDAY WE BEGAN OUR LOCAL STATE OF EMERGENCY. WE'VE BEEN HAND IN HAND WITH WHAT THE GOVERNOR HAS BEEN PUTTING OUT.

ALSO, WHAT OUR PRESIDENT HAS BEEN PUTTING OUT IN ORDER TO BATTLE THIS. WE'VE BEEN FOLLOWING THE CDC GUIDANCE, THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH GUIDANCE.

ON THE APRIL 3 EXECUTIVE ORDER, 20-91, THAT LIMITED MOVEMENT AND INTERACTIONS. AND ENACTED THE CENTRAL SERVICES ACTIVITY SAID THROUGH THE STATE IES THROUGHOUT THE STATEOF FLOR.

ON APRIL 20 THE GOVERNOR SET UP A TASK FORCE TO ANALYZE REOPENING THE STATE OF FLORIDA AND NINE DAYS LATER ON THE 29TH OF APRIL, WE ENTERED INTO PHASE ONE OF THE GOVERNOR'S SAFE, SMART, STEP BY STEP PLAN TO REOPEN FLORIDA AND REOPEN, REHIRE AND REUNITE CLAY COUNTY. AS WE SAID, THAT APRIL 29TH, WE WERE AT QUARTER SPEED. 25% CAPACITY FOR RESTAURANTS AND RETAILS. ON THE 15TH OF MAY WE WENT INTO THE FULL PHASE ONE EFFECT OF THE GOVERNOR'S EXECUTIVE ORDER. THAT WAS AT HALF SPEED, WHICH IS 50% FOR RESTAURANTS, RETAIL IN THEIR CAPACITIES.

LIBRARIES, MUSEUMS AND GYMNASIUMS COULD OPEN UP FOR PEOPLE AND FOLKS ON THAT. SPECIFICALLY HERE IN THE COUNTY, ON FRIDAY WE OPENED UP YOUTH ACTIVITY FACILITIES AND MULTIPURPOSE FIELDS. AND THAT WAS THIS PAST FRIDAY.

AND THEN ANY ORGANIZED YOUTH ACTIVITIES NEED TO SUBMIT THEIR SAFETY PLANS TO PARK AND REC ALONG WITH THEIR INSURANCE REQUIREMENTS. OUR LIBRARIES ALSO HAVE OPENED UP EFFECTIVE TODAY. OUR LIBRARIES COUNTY WIDE ARE OPEN 1:00 P.M. TO 6:00 P.M. ANIMAL SERVICES ALSO OPENED UP STARTING TODAY FROM 10:00 TO 2:00 FROM TUESDAY TO SATURDAY.

ONE OTHER ITEM TO NOTE WITH REGARDS TO REOPENING WOULD BE OUR VACATION RENTALS OPENED UP. WE GOT APPROVAL FOR 100 VACATION RENTALS TO OPEN UP ON THE 21ST OF MAY.

TO ADDRESS EVERYTHING WE'RE DOING WITHIN THE COUNTY TO KEEP ALL OUR RESIDENTS SAFE AND TO STOP THE SPREAD OF THIS COVID-19 VIRUS, EVERYONE HAS BEEN DEFINITELY DOING THEIR PART.

WE ARE REOPENING SAFELY AND SMARTLY AS WE MOVE FORWARD.

OTHER THAN THAT, MR. CHAIRMAN, I DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE.

JUST PENDING ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD.

>> QUESTIONS? >> HOWARD, WITH THE BEGINNING OF

FPHASE 1, IT WAS MAY 15TH? >> FULL PHASE ONE

>> WE'VE HAD ALMOST TWO WEEKS OF RUN TIME.

DO WE HAVE ANY GRAPHS OF NEW CASES OVER THAT TIME PERIOD AND MAYBE COVERING THE NEXT WEEK ? I THINK WE OUGHT TO TRACK THAT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT GOING IN THE WRONG DIRECTION HERE

>> I AGREE. BOTH JOHN, HEATHER AND I HAVE BEEN TRACKING THAT. AND I THINK A VERY GOOD GRAPHIC WHICH I CAN SHOW IF I COULD HAVE ANOTHER MINUTE HERE AND I'LL SHARE THAT SCREEN RIGHT HERE. THIS IS THE GRAPH, COMMISSIONER BOLLA, AS YOU TAKE A LOOK AT IT. YOUYOU SHOULD BE SEEING THE POSITIVE RESIDENTS OF 362. THE 27 DEATHS AND THE 88 HOSPITALIZATIONS. THE OTHER THREE ARE NONRESIDENTS JUST TO GET AN IDEA. YOU SHOULD SEE IN FRONT OF YOU THE AGE DISTRIBUTION OF CASES. IT'S BEEN SLIDING RIGHT EVER SINCE WE BEGAN. OUR SPIKE WAS IN THE 45 TO 50-YEAR-OLD RANGE. IT'S MOVED TO THE RIGHT AS YOU CAN SEE HERE. AND YOU CAN SEE DAY OVER DAY SINCE THE 26TH OF APRIL THE NUMBERS WE HAD H IN CASES.

THIS WAS SPREAD OVER THE WEEKEND OF FIVE AND THREE AND HAD AN 80 HERE AND THE LATEST WAS A PLUS THREE.

WE HAVE OUR EYES ON THAT, FOCUSED ON THAT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT IS NOT GETTING OUT OF CONTROL.

THE BEST NUMBER TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT IS THAT PER 100,000 CASES THAT WE'RE FOCUSED ON. BUT, YES, SIR, I FULLY AGREE ON THAT. I'LL GET BACK TO THE SCREEN

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>> I THINK IT'S THE CRITICAL NUMBER TO WATCH TO SEE HOW WE'RE DOING. MY CONTROL BOX IS CLEARED AND I CAN SEE THE GRAPH NOW. THAT'S GOOD.

>> I'M HAVING THE SAME PROBLEM. ISN'T THAT A FACTOR OF THE WHAT THE TESTING HAS DONE AS WELL ? I KNOW THEY WENT THROUGH A NUMBER OF THE NURSING HOMES J DUD AND D EVERYBODY IN THERE AND THEY CAME UP W WITH A NUMBER. THAT SKEWS THE DAILY RESULTS, BECAUSE WE'RE GETTING SORT OF SURGES IN DIFFERENT AREAS WHEN

THEY DO THOSE MASS TESTINGS. >> THAT IS CORRECT, YES, SIR.

AND SO THE OTHER FACTOR TO THIS IS THE NUMBER OF TESTS WITHIN THE ASSISTED LIVING FACILITIES AND THE INCREASED NUMBER OF TESTS THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE COUNTY HAVE ALSO COME INTO PLAY WITH THIS. AND IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE, OBVIOUSLY, THE MORE YOU TEST, THE MORE POSITIVES THAT YOU'RE GOING TO RECEIVE. WE HAVE TESTED OVER 1,000 RESIDENTS OVER THE TWO-WEEK PERIOD THAT WE TESTED.

WE DID NOT HAVE ONE POSITIVE FROM THAT.

BUT WE DID SEE POSITIVES WHEN WE FACILITIES.

SPECIFICALLY WHERE THEY -- WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THE FOLKS WERE SAFE THERE T , THEY WERE GG THROUGH THE CORRECT PROTOCOLS.

WE SAW IN ONE FACILITY, 37 ASYSTEMATIC POSITIVE SAID.

S. THOSE 37 INDIVIDUALS WERE NOT DISPLAYING A FEVER, A COUGH, ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

AND OUT OF THOSE 37, 27 WERE RESIDENTS AND, AGAIN, WHERE ASYSTEMASYMPTOMMSYMPTOMATIC. MOST OF THEM BUILT UP THE ANTIBODIES AND FOUGHT THAT BACK. AFTER THEIR 14 DAYS OF BEING SELF-QUARANTINED, WE'D TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.

YES, SIR, THAT INCREASED NUMBER OF TESTING DEFINITELY SHOWED US

A RISE IN POSITIVES, ALSO. >> QUICK QUESTION.

SO ON THE ASSOCIATIONS, I MAY HAVE MISSED, I APOLOGIZE F I DID. BUT THE ASSOCIATIONS, THE GOVERNOR OPENED UP RECREATION, RIGHT? SO THE ASSOCIATIONS IN CLAY COUNTY -- AS A COUNTY FROM REOPENING AND CONTINUING ON, CORRECT?

>> THAT IS CORRECT, YES, SIR. ALL WE REQUIRED FOR ORGANIZED SPORTS WAS THAT THEY SUBMIT A SAFETY PLAN, WHICH MOST OF THEM ALREADY WERE WORKING ON OR HAD FROM THEIR NATIONAL ORGANIZATIONS TO SUBMIT TO PARKS AND REC

>> THANKS >> YES, SIR.

>> ANY IDEA HOW LONG IT WILL BE UNTIL WE'RE BACK AT 100%?

>> IT'S TOUGH TO GAUGE. IT WILL BE BASED UPON THE NUMBERS. YOU KNOW, I EXPECT HERE FOR US TO GO INTO PHASE TWO THE FIRST WEEK OF JUNE.

AND FINISH UP PHASE THREE MIDJUNMIDJUNE.

THAT'S A TENTATIVE GUESS. IT WILL DEPEND UPON THE NUMBERS AS WE MOVE FORWARD. YES, MA'AM.

>> QUICK QUESTION FOR OUR COUNTY ATTORNEY.

I MEAN, WE ARE UNDER THE GOVERNOR'S ORDER WHETHER WE AS A COMMISSION WANTED TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENTLY ANYWAYSERS, RIGHT RIGHT IN TERME PHASES?

>> YES, THERE ARE CERTAIN -- DEPENDING ON THE ORDER, THERE ARE CERTAIN RESTRICTIONS THAT THEY HAVE GIVEN US SOME LENIENCY, BUT IT JUST DEPENDS ON WHICH ITEMS.

>> I'M IN FAVOR OF REOPENING AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.

I KNOW THAT WE WANT TO BE CAUTIOUS, BUT I ALSO THINK GETTING BACK TO NORMAL AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE IS THE BEST CASE SCENARIO. ESPECIALLY GIVEN THAT WE NEVER REACHED A PLACE WHERE WE HAD OVERRUNNING HOSPITAL CAPACITY OR LACK OF VENTILATORS, THAT TYPE OF THING.

I KNOW THAT IT SEEMS SORT OF LIKE ORIGINALLY THE IDEA WAS FLATTEN THE CURVE, AND NOW IF THERE ARE ANY CASES NO ONE CAN GO OUTSIDE KIND OF A THING. IT SEEMS TO HAVE SHIFTED SOMEWHAT. SO I'M IN FAVOR OF PUSHING TO REOPEN MORE QUICKLY. WHATEVER WE CAN DO WITHIN THE GUIDELINES. I'M NOT SAYING DEFY STATE ORDERS, BUT I THINK THE QUICKER WE CAN GET THINGS OPEN, THE

BETTER >> WHAT WAS THE GOVERNOR'S

GUIDANCE OF HOUSES OF WORSHIP? >> NO RESTRICTIONS ON HOUSES OF

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THE LAST FRENCH CHURCH WAS THE LAST ONE TO HAVE THE PARKING LOT SERVICE. MOST OF THEM ARE HAVING SERVICES

>> SOME OF THEM ARE JUST STARTING BACK WITH LIMITED -- YOU HAVE TO SIGN UP, YOU KNOW, TO ATTEND.

>> THAT'S NOTHING WE DICTATED FROM THE COUNTY LEVEL.

>> IMPORTANT TO CLARIFY. >> EVEN THE FIREWORKS, THE FIREWORKS THAT ARE HELD ON JULY 4, MOOSEHAVEN, THEY'RE OFF THEY'RE ANONPROFIT ORGANIZATIONS MOOSEHAVEN AND OUR COUNTY, THEY WENT AHEAD AND CANCELED THOSE DISPLAYS.

ALSO TO CLARIFY THAT. WE DID NOT TELL THEM THEY COULD NOT HOLD FIREWORKS. IF I PUT OUT, YOU KNOW, AND WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATIONS, CHURCHES, YOU NAME IT. JUST TO BRAINSTORM WITH THEM ON THE SAFE WAY TO ABIDE BY THE CDC AND HEALTH DEPARTMENT GU GUIDAN.

MORE OFTEN THAN NOT, YOU KNOW, WE CAME UP WITH A SOLUTION TO

KEEP EVERYONE SAFE. >> DOES THAT CONCLUDE YOUR

REPORT? >> YES, SIR, IT DOES.

>> COUNTY ATTORNEY? >> NOTHING ELSE.

DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? >> ANY QUESTIONS OF THE COUNTY ATTORNEY BEFORE WE GIVE IT OVER TO THE COMMISSIONERS TO OPEN IT FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS? HEARING NONE, TROY, DO WE HAVE

[PUBLIC COMMENTS]

ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS ON HOLD? >> YES, SIR, CARRIE COLLINS

WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK >> MS. COLLINS, YES, MA'AM.

I HOPE THAT WAS SOMEWHAT INFORMATIVE FOR YOU.

DO YOU HAVE ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS THAT THE COUNTY

MANAGER DIDN'T COVER? >> PLEASE PRESS STAR 6 TO UNMUTE

>> ARE YOU STILL THERE? >> YES, I'M HERE.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR PATIENCE.

I KNOW THAT EVERYBODY WANTS TO GET OUT OF THERE.

I DO HAVE A COUPLE OF THINGS I'D LIKE TO SAY IN RESPONSE TO THE COUNTY MANAGER. I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER ROLLINS' STATEMENTS ABOUT THE INITIAL RESPONSE BY THE STATE OVERALL WAS NEVER TO ERADICATE THIS VIRUS.

IT WAS JUST TO LESSEN THE IMPACT.

AND THE FOCUS FROM WHAT I HEARD IS ABOUT TRYING TO COMPLETELY ERADICATE THE VIRUS BEFORE MOVING FORWARD.

AND THAT'S NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN.

YOU KNOW, IT'S A VIRUS, IT'S GOING TO CONTINUE TO SPREAD.

AND YOU CAN'T, YOU KNOW, BASE GOVERNMENTAL DECISIONS ON THE NUMBERS. IT'S OBVIOUSLY AND ABUNDANTLY CLEAR IT'S SAFE FOR OUR COUNTY. YOU CAN'T BASE GOVERNMENTAL DECISIONS ON, YOU KNOW, OH, WELL, WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, THREE MORE CASES WHEN THE STATISTICS BEAR OUT THAT THE NUMBER OF CITIZENS IN THE COUNTY ARE SAFE. AND MAYBE -- HIS RESPONSE ABOUT THE FOURTH OF JULY AND HAVING CONVERSATIONS THAT THEY NEVER -- YOU NEVER SAID THAT THEY SHOULD CANCEL.

BUT YOU NEVER SAID THAT THEY SHOULDN'T.

SO THE SUPPORT WASN'T THERE BEING PUT OUT FROM THE COUNTY AS A WHOLE THAT, YOU KNOW, THESE NONPROFIT AND PRIVATE ORGANIZATIONS SHOULD CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD.

THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE IN MY COMMUNITY THAT ARE UPSET.

BEYOND THAT THE I WOULD SAY OVERARCHING, IT'S NOT THE ROLE OF THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS TO PROTECT INDIVIDUALS FROM SICKNESS. WHAT'S IT GOING TO BE AFTER COVID-19? EVERYONE THAT GETS SICK FROM THE FLU? EVERYONE THAT GETS SICK FROM, YOU KNOW, THE NEXT SARS THAT COMES DOWN THE LINE? I MEAN, ARE WE GOING TO PROVIDE LIFE INSURANCE FOR PEOPLE? I MEAN, YOU HAVE TO DEFINE THE ROLES OF THE COUNTY AND WHAT IT IS. AND AS A CHARTER COUNTY, I BELIEVE WE DO HAVE GREATER POWERS.

AND THAT ALL CHARTER COUNTIES HAVE ALL POWERS OF SELF-GOVERNMENT UNLESS THEY'RE INCONSISTENT WITH THE CONSTITUTION OR STATE LAW. I DON'T THINK A GOVERNOR'S SCSCEXECUTIVE ORDER IS CONSIDERD STATE LAW IN THE SENSE THAT IT WAS NOT ADOPTED BY A LEGISLATURE.

AND I THINK THE LEGISLATURE ALSO HAS AN OBLIGATION TO BE INVOLVED IN THIS PROCESS. TO START AT THE BOTTOM, THE BOARD HERE IN OUR COUNTY HAS CONTROL OF WHAT WE CAN HEAR.

AND THAT'S YOUR RESPONSIBILITY. I FEEL FOR YOU, HAVING LISTENED TO ALL THE ADMINISTRATIVE THINGS THAT WENT ON TONIGHT.

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I APPRECIATE Y'ALL LISTENING TO ME AND I DON'T WANT TO HOLD YOU UP ANYMORE. I JUST HOPE THAT YOU WOULD MOVE FORWARD AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. GET CLAY COUNTY AS A LEADER IN THE STATE. I MEAN, GEORGIA LOOKS GREAT.

I THINK WE CAN BEING A LEADER AND NOT A LOOKER.

BUT THANK YOU. >> COUNTY MANAGER, YOU HAD A

COMMENT, SIR? >> JUST A COUPLE QUICK ONES.

IT WASN'T THE INTENT TO ERADICATE THIS VIRUS, T IT WAS O ENSURE WE HAD MEDICAL STAFF, DOCTORS, FACILITIES, AVAILABLE TO TREAT EVERYONE IN THE COUNTY. IT WASN'T A FOCUS ON JUST THE VIRUS ITSELF. THE FOCUS WAS REALLY TO TRULY FLATTEN THE CURVE AND STOP THE SPREAD OF THE VIRUS.

AS WE CAN SEE IN OTHER AREAS OF THE COUNTRY THAT BECAME OVERWHELMED WITH THEIR MEDICAL FACILITIES, VENTILATORS, ICUS.

THAT WAS THE FOCUS ON, EVERYONE AS A WHOLE.

BY ALL MEANS YOU WOULDN'T ERADICATE -- YOU CANNOT ERADICATE A VIRUS AS IT IS UNLESS THERE'S A VACCINE TO IT 100%. JUST TO ADDRESS THOSE THINGS, IF HAS BEEN A DIFFERENT BALANCE WITH REGARDS TO KEEPING EVERYONE SAFE AND MAKING SURE THEY HAD THAT CARE TO THEM SHOULD THEY NEED THAT MEDICAL CARE AND IT WAS SOMETHING WITH REGARDS TO A BALANCE OF ALSO THE ECONOMY. I THINK WE'VE BEEN ON THE LEADING EDGE ON A LOT OF THE THINGS WE HAVE BEEN DOING.

WITH REGARDS TO OUR PARKS AND THE GREEN SPACES THAT WE KEPT AVAILABLE TO BOATING, TO KAYAKS, TO HOW WE CONDUCTED GOVERNMENT FUNCTIONS AND BUSINESSES ACROSS THE BOARD.

WE DIDN'T MISS A BEAT, MS. COLLINS.

WE KEPT EVERYTHING GOING. EVEN UNDER THE CONSTRAINTS THAT WE HAD. AND UNDER A STATE OF EMERGENCY -- THAT'S WHAT HE DECLARED ON MARCH 9, WE HAD TO LIVE BY HIS EXECUTIVE ORDERS. THAT WAS ALL I HAD

>> I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. I WOULD JUST LIKE TO RESPOND BY I DON'T APPRECIATE THE EFFORTS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE ON BEHALF OF THE CITIZENS OF CLAY COUNTY. BUT I WOULD ALSO SAY THAT THE GOVERNOR HIMSELF STATED THAT 40% OF BEDS WERE AVAILABLE -- HOSPITAL BEDS WERE AVAILABLE IN FLORIDA AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS AND THAT THEY HAVE -- IT'S INCREASED SINCE THEN.

AND YES, THERE HAS BEEN DEMAND FOR BEDS AND VENTILATORS, 50% OF THAT HAS BEEN IN NEW YORK. SO NEW YORK HAS BEEN THE EPICENTER OF THIS VIRUS. IIT HAS NOT BEEN FLORIDA.

OUR HOSPITAL BEDS HAVE ONLY INCREASED SINCE THIS STARTED.

YES, BY SOME OF THE MEASURES THAT WERE PUT IN PLACE.

BUT IT'S OBVIOUS IT IS OBVIOUS BY NOW WE DO NOT HAVE TO HAVE THESE MEASURES IN PLACE. AND I DON'T WANT -- PLEASE DON'T TAKE THIS AS CRITICISM. BECAUSE I THINK THE COUNTY HAS DONE A GOOD JOB. AND I APPRECIATE ALL THE EFFORTS. MY POINT ONLY IS THAT WE DO NOT NEED TO CONTINUE THE WAY IT'S BEEN GOING.

WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD AND WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD MORE QUICKLY. BECAUSE THE EFFECTS IT'S HAVING ON THE MENTAL AND PHYSICAL HEALTH OF CITIZENS, I MEAN, SUICIDES, WHICH ARE NOT TALKED ABOUT IN THE MEDIA AND THE RATES THAT THEY HAVE INCREASED, YOU KNOW, THIS SHUT DOWN NEEDS TO END. THE NUMBERS DON'T BEAR IT OUT.

AT LEAST FOR EVERYTHING NORTH OF ORLANDO AND THE PANHANDLE.

WE COULD DO OUR PART AS A COUNTY, AS A CHARTER COUNTY, TO, YOU KNOW, SHOW THE WAY. SO PLEASE DON'T -- YOU KNOW, I APPRECIATE EVERYONE'S TIME. I DON'T WANT TO CONTINUE.

BUT THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.

>> THANK YOU, MS. COLLINS.% WE APPRECIATE YOU.

DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? >> NO, SIR

>> OKAY, WE'RE DOWN TO PUBLIC COMMENT.

DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENTS OUT THERE, TROY?

>> NO, SIR >> THAT'S IT? ALL RIGHT. WE'RE DOWN TO COMMISSIONER

[COMMISSIONERS' COMMENTS]

>> I THINK YOU'RE ON MUTE >> YOU'RE ALL MUTED.

>> I GOT RID OF THAT BAR SO I COULD SEE THE GRAPH AND FORGET FORGOTWHERE THE BAR IS. THE ONLY COMMENT I WOULD MAKE IS A LOT OF TIMES PEOPLE ARE WAITING TO BE GIVEN PERMISSION.

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WE'RE MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS. THE CDC MAKES RECOMMENDATIONS.

YOU DON'T NEED PERMISSION TO GO OUT.

WHETHER OR NOT YOU WANT TO WEAR A MASK AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. SO I THINK IT'S PSYCHOLOGICALLY PEOPLE ARE KIND OF FEELING LIKE THEY'RE BEING TOLD WHEN IN REALITY IF YOU LOOK AT THE LANGUAGE THEY'RE RECOMMENDATIONS. I'M NOT AWARE OF ANYBODY WHO THAT'S GOTTEN IN TROUBLE FROM THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT FOR NOT WEARING A MASK OR GOING TO WORK. I APPRECIATE EVERYTHING THAT OUR STAFF HAS DONE AND AS HOWARD SAID IT'S BEEN UNDER UNUSUAL CIRCUMSTANCES. THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT ARE SCARED. YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO KIND OF RESPECT BOTH SIDES. THERE ARE FOLKS -- I'M GOING TO SAY I FALL IN THE CATEGORY OF BEING CONCERNED ABOUT CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS. BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN I DON'T CARE ABOUT PEOPLE THAT ARE SCARED.

ANYWAY. IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS WE HAVE TO MAKE ALLOWANCES FOR EACH OTHER'S DIFFANCES.

DIFFERENCES.WE HAVE COVERED A LF TERRITORY TOOPT.

TONIGHT.IT WAS GOOD NEWS TO HEAT THE MONEY THAT'S COMING FROM THE C.A.R.E.S. ACT. KEEP MATCHING ON

>> THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER ROLLINS?

>> I JUST WANT TO GO ON RECORD, I SUPPORT THE FIREWORKS AND I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE THEM IN KEYSTONE.

JUST WANT TO SAY THAT FOR THE RECORD.

AND I AGREE WITH WHAT COMMISSIONER HUTCHINS WAS SAYING. CLAY COUNTY, NOT CLAY COUNTY DRIVEN. WE'VE SOUGHT TO KEEP THINGS OPEN. EVEN IN THE HEIGHT OF THE CRISIS. AND WE'RE SEEKING TO REOPEN AS QUICKLY AS WE'RE LEGALLY ALLOWED.

BUT A LOT OF THIS, LIKE YOU WERE SAYING IS PEOPLE CAN GO OUT.

WE'RE NOT -- WE'VE HAD ZERO COVID RELATED ARRESTS, IS THAT

CORRECT? >> THAT IS CORRECT, YES, SIR.

>> THANK YOU, SIR. COMMISSIONER BOLLA?

>> YEAH, KIND OF FOLLOWING UP ON THAT.

THERE IS NO VACCINE FOR THIS. THERE'S NO TREATMENT.

SO IF YOU GOT IT, YOU'VE GOT A 5% CHANCE OF DYING FROM IT.

NOW, I UNDERSTAND THE CONSTITUTIONAL ISSUES AND THE COUNTY'S NUMBER ONE ROLE HERE IS TO KEEP PEOPLE SAFE.

WE'VE DONE GREAT JOB DOING THAT. I THINK IT'S TIME TO RELAX A LITTLE BIT AND I'M IN THAT CAMP. BUT AT THE SAME TIME, PEOPLE POINT OUT TO ME, THOSE PICTURES OF ALL THOSE PEOPLE AT THE BEACHES AND STUFF. AND I SAY TO MYSELF, WELL, THAT'S A SELF-CORRECTING PROBLEM.

IF THEY WANT TO RISK GETTING SICK AND DYING FROM JUST GOING TO THE BEACH, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THEIR RIGHT.

THAT'S THE WAY IT WORKS HERE. SECOND ISSUE, DALE SMITH, WE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO TEST THE NEW DRAINAGE SYSTEM OUT HERE IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD. I DIDN'T HAVE TO DO THE BACKSTROKE ONCE TODAY. EVERYTHING WORKED PRETTY DARN GOOD. THANK YOU.

>> COMMISSIONER CELLA? >> THANK YOU.

I ECHO THE COMMENTS OF THE COMMISSIONERS WHO SPOKE BEFORE ME. I DON'T DISAGREE WITH MS. COLLINS. LOOKING AT IT AS WE HAVE AT THIS POINT, HINDSIGHT IS 20/20. WE SAW WE DIDN'T NEED TO HAVE THE KIND OF CAPACITY THAT WE THOUGHT WE WERE GOING TO NEED IN TERMS OF BEDS AND VENTILATORS AND THOSE THINGS.

AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT OUR CREW, JOHN WARD, CHIEF MOCK, HOWARD WANAMAKER ALL KEPT DAILY TABS ON.

WE WERE BETWEEN THE CONSTITUTIONAL ROCK AND A HARD PLACE. THAT'S SORT OF WHERE WE ARE.

WE ALL AGREE WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE US MOVE FORWARD.

IN TIMES WHEN WE WERE ABLE TO, WE DID.

I MEAN, I DON'T THINK THERE WAS A COUNTY IN THE COUNTRY -- IN THE STATE THAT MOVED FASTER THAN WE DID IN TERMS OF FREEING UP BALL FIELDS FOR SPORTS TEAMS TO GO OUT AND TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IT.

THE GOVERNOR MADE HIS ANNOUNCEMENT AT 11:30, BY 1:00 WE HAD A DETAILED PLAN AS TO HOW WE THOUGHT EVERYBODY SHOULD MOVE. WE'VE BEEN CONSCIOUS OF THAT IN MOVING FORWARD I HOPE WE CONTINUE TO BE THAT.

JUST AS AN EXAMPLE, I'M WORKING WITH BOTH SENATOR BRADLEY AND REPRESENTATIVE CUMMINGS. WE HAVE ABOUT A DOZEN TATTOO AND PIERCING SHOPS IN CLAY COUNTY. NOT THAT I HAVE A TATTOO OR WILL

EVER SEEK A TATTOO -- >> I'D GET ONE FOR FREE AFTER

THIS. >> STILL DON'T WANT ONE.

>> GET W ONE ON YOUR FOREHEAD IF YOU TEST OKAY.

>> THAT'S WHERE THE BRUISES GETTING BEAT ABOUT THE HEAD AND

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THERE ARE 12 SMALL BUSINESSES, AND THEY WERE LEFT OUT OF THE PHASE R 1 REOPENING -- THE OTHER PERSONAL SERVICES, BARBER SHOPS, NAIL SALONS, THOSE KIND OF THINGS.

THOSE FOLKS ARE STILL ON THE SIDELINES.

PROBABLY NOT A LOT OF JOBS, PROBABLY 60, 70, 80 JOBS IN THOSE 12 SHOPS. BUT THE PRIVATE BUSINESS PEOPLE THAT ARE BEING PREVENTED FROM, YOU KNOW, PLYING THEIR TRADE, WHETHER YOU AGREE WITH IT OR NOT.

WHAT'S HAPPENING IS IT'S CAUSING THEIR CUSTOMERS, A LOT OF YOUNG PEOPLE TO HOLD PIERCING PARTIES OR TATTOO PARTIES ON THEIR OWN.

AND THEY KNOW THAT BECAUSE THOSE FOLKS ARE CALLING THEM ASKING THEM IF THEY CAN BUY NEEDLES AND OTHER THINGS.

SO THE BIG PROBLEM WITH THIS IS THE FACT THAT IN THE GOVERNOR'S EXECUTIVE ORDER OF PUTTING THE PERSONAL CARE BUSINESSES BACK ON TRACK, THEY LEFT THEM OUT AND HAVE NOT PUT THEM BACK ANYWHERE.

IN FACT, JOHN WARD WAS ON THE PHONE WITH THE STATE A NUMBER OF TIMES TRYING TO GET SOME KIND OF CLARIFICATION AND NONE WAS FORTHCOMING. SO I'M HOPING IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF DAYS THE SENATOR AND THE REPRESENTATIVE WILL HELP US GET THE GOVERNOR TO ANNOUNCE THAT THEY CAN GO BACK.

IF NOT, MY SUGGESTION, WOULD BE IF THEY'RE STILL NOT OPEN, THAT WE GET BACK TOGETHER ON JUNE 9TH AND WE OPEN THEM.

A COUPLE OF COUNTIES DOWN SOUTH, INCLUDING PINELLAS COUNTY HAS DONE THA THAT. ST. AUGUSTINE AT THE END OF LAST WEEK IN THEIR CITY COMMISSION WEEK OKAYED THEM TO OPEN UP.

I WOULD MAKE THAT SAME SUGGESTION.

WE'LL FOLLOW THE ROUTE THAT IS PRESCRIBED.

IF NOT, MY SUGGESTION, IN THE NEXT MEETING WILL BE TO LET THEM GO H AHEAD AND DO THEIR DEAL. OTHER THAN THAT --

>> REOPEN THEM NOW, I'D SUPPORT JUST GIVING THEM THE OKAY NOW

>> I WOULD, TOO. I JUST DON'T --

>> BUT WE COULD GO AHEAD AND ASK FOR FORGIVENESS LATER.

>> MAYBE WE CAN JUST DO WHAT THE PINELLAS COUNTY SHERIFF SAID, WHICH WAS HE SAID WITH ACCORDANCE TO THE WHITE HOUSE GUIDELINES FOR PHASE 1 AND THE EXECUTIVE ORDERS, THAT WE'RE NOT

GOING TO GO ARREST ANYBODY >> SEND A LETTER TO THE SHERIFF REQUESTING HE MAYBE ISSUE A STATEMENT AND GO FROM THERE.

>> WELL, I MEAN, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.

I THINK WE NEED TO TALK TO OUR LEGAL TEAM, SEE WHAT THEIR THOUGHTS ARE AND SEE WHAT OUR COUNTY MANAGER HAS IN MIND.

HE KNOWS, HE'S BEEN INVOLVED. I FORWARDED THE -- THE OTHER THING ABOUT THESE TATTOO SHOPS, THEY ARE UNDER THE RESTRICTIONS THAT EVERYBODY ELSE HAS BEEN PUT IN UNDER FOR AVOIDING THE COVID-19. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY DO ON A REGULAR BASIS. THE ONLY THING THEY'D HAVE TO DO IS NOT HAVE ANYBODY WAIT IN THEIR WAITING ROOM AND WAIT IN THE CAL CAR. THEY ALREADY WEAR FACE SHIELDS AND FACE MASKS. THEY WORK IN A STERILE FIELD.

THEY WORK WITH DISINFECTANTS WHICH ARE MUCH MORE STRIJANT ANL THAN THE BARBER SHOPS, THE NAIL SALONS, ALL THOSE PEOPLE WORK WITH. FOR THEM, IT IS NOT -- THEY'VE GOT THE PPE ALREADY IN THE SHOP. IT IS JUST A QUESTION OF MAKING SURE THAT PEOPLE COME IN ONE AT A TIME TO BE SERVICED.

SO I MEAN, I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH IT.

WE HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH JUST TELLING THEM WE CAN'T TELL THEM YES AND CAN'T TELL THEM NOW. LET THEM MAKE THEIR OWN DECISION

>> AS FAR AS MY COMMENTS, THE ONLY THING I CAN SAY IS I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO A GOOD OLD FASHIONED FOURTH OF JULY PARADE.

LET'S HOPE THAT HAPPENS. >> AS LONG AS YOU MARCH SIX FEET

APART. >> ANYBODY FROM STAFF STILL ON THAT NEEDS ANY FACE TIME? THEY'VE ALL GONE.

LAST CALL, GUYS. ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH, GOD B BLESS YOU ALL AND STAY SAE AND

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