[00:00:15] >> IT IS 7:00. >> KELLY IS GOING TO CALL TO MAKE SURE HE IS THE ONLY PERSON WE ARE MISSING. I WOULD SAY GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED AND IF I NEED TO PAUSE US FOR ANY REASON I WILL. SHE JUST STEPPED OUT TO GIVE >> FIRST OFF, GOOD EVENING TO OUR FIRST PLANNING AND ZONING VIRTUAL MEETING. THIS IS A FIRST FOR A LOT OF US AND THIS VENUE I THINK A LOT OF US ARE DOING BUSINESS NOW AND WE ARE USED TO IT AND IT'S THE SECOND HALF. I WANT TO GO THROUGH SOME ETIQUETTE. IF YOU ARE NOT SPEAKING, I WILL ASK YOU TO PLEASE MUTE YOUR MICROPHONE SO THERE IS NOT ANY BACKGROUND NOISE. IF YOU ARE NOT SPEAKING, PLEASE MUTE YOUR AUDIO. ALSO, FROM A FOR STANDPOINT, WE ARE GOING TO GO THROUGH THESE ITEMS IN EACH ONE AS WE GO [Call to Order] THROUGH, I AM GOING TO DO A ROLE CALL FOR ALL OF THE COMMISSIONERS. I WILL TURN THE FLOOR TO YOU TO ASK QUESTIONS OR MAKE A STATEMENT, AND IF YOU HAVE NO QUESTIONS OR A STATEMENT AND SAY NO QUESTIONS, AND MOVE ON. WE WILL MOVE THROUGH GIVING EVERYONE AN OPPORTUNITY TO ASK QUESTIONS OR MAKE THAT STATEMENT AND THEN WE WILL CALL FOR A VOTE. WE WILL DO A ROLL CALL VOTE THEN JUST LIKE WE I THINK THE [Pledge of Allegiance] EASIEST WAY TO KEEP THIS A PCONTROL MEETING WITHOUT FOLKS TALKING OVER THE TOP OF EACH OTHER. WELCOME TO THE ZONING AND PLANNING COMMITTEE ZONING MEETING OF MAY 5. I'M GOING TO ASK EVERYONE TO MUTE YOUR AUDIO. IF YOU ARE TALKING ON YOUR CELL PHONE, MUTE YOUR COMPUTER SO WE DON'T HAVE THE DIGGING IN THE BACKGROUND. I WILL ASK COMMISSIONER GARRISON TO LEAD US IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. >> THANK YOU, BILL. I AM GOING TO START WITH INTRODUCTIONS. MY NAME IS MICHAEL BOURRE AND I AM THE CHAIRMAN AND WE ALSO HAVE KELLY COLLINS. SHE IS OUR RECORDING SECRETARY. CLAY COUNTY SCHOOL BOARD REPRESENTATIVE JIM FOLSOM, COMMISSIONER ROBERT MACHALA, COMMISSIONER BO NORTON, VICE CHAIAIAN M M PUCUCABERERNDND W ARARE ITITING FOR JOANNE TO JOI THE MEETING. WE HAVE COMMISSIONER MARY BRIDGMAN AND COMMISSIONER BILL GARRISON AND WE HAVE OUR CLAY COUNTY PLANNING AND ZONING DIRECTOR ED LEHMAN. I SEE HIM IN THE BACK OF THE CONFERENCE ROOM. OUR COUNTY ATTORNEY COURTNEY GREENE. [INDISCERNIBLE] >> IS A COLONEL HERE CAMP BLANDING? >> I CALLED HIM. HE SHOULD BE. JOE IS HERE AS WELL. I THINK HE IS HAVING DIFFICULTIES BUT HE'S HERE. >> CAN YOU HEAR ME? CAN ANYONE HEAR ME?> YES, WE CAN HEAR YOU >> I CAN SEE YOU GUYS, BUT Ã >> WE'VE GOT YOU. >> I'M HERE. WE HAVE OUR CHIEF OF ZONING, CHAD WILLIAMS, CHIEF PLANNER CAROLYN MORRISON, DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT AND ECONOMIC SERVICES, CHEREESE STEWART AND I DON'T THINK THE SENIOR PLANNER IS HERE >> NO, SIR. >> SHE'S LISTENING >> AND WE HAVE THE COUNTY MANAGER, HOWARD WANAMAKER IS WITH US. AND I BELIEVE ÃHEY, BUDDY. I BELIEVE THAT CONCLUDES OUR INTRODUCTION. IS THERE ANYBODY YOU MISSED? >> LET'S MOVE FORWARD. THE CLAY COUNTY PLANNING [00:05:20] COMMISSION IS AN ADVISORY BOARD TO THE CLAY COUNTY BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS. THE DECISIONS MADE BY THIS BOARD ARE ONLY RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE BCC WILL HAVE THEIR FINAL SAY AT THEIR NEXT MEETING. DO WE HAVE A DATE FOR THAT MEETING? >> THE 26TH. >> MAY 26. >> IF THERE ARE ANY SPECIFIC THROUGH MULTIPLE AVENUES SO WE ARE LOOKING FORWARD TO COMMENTS HE WILL BE LIMITED ON PUBLIC COMMENT TO 3 MINUTES. WE ALSO HAVE TWO OF OUR IT FOLKS FROM THE COUNTY WHO ARE GOING TO OVERSEE THE PHONE CALLS THAT ARE COMING IN FOR PUBLIC COMMENT AND WE WILL FIELD THOSE ONCE WE OPEN FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.RE THERE ANY QUESTIONS BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THE AGENDA? EASASENENOU.. MONGNG FORWARD INTO OUR FIRST PUBLIC COMMENT I'M GOING TO OPEN THAT UP RIGHT NOW >> THE ONLY PERSON WE HAVE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT AT THIS TIME IS MR. OTTO PLEASE PRESS STAR SIX TO UNMUTE YOUR LINE. CHRMRMANI DODOT T SEE MORE HOSTILE. >> OKAY I HAVE A CONNECTION, THEN I WILL ASK FOR ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT. [1.  Approval of Minutes] CAN YOU CONFIRM THAT WE HAVE NO OTHERS? >> NOT FROM THE OPEN ITEMS. WE HAVE SOME FOR THE ACTUAL PUBLIC HEARINGS. >> WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT AND OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARINGS. ITEM NUMBER ONE PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER THE REZONING APPLICATION. THE 20 Ã2R82 AR. >> MR. CHAIRMAN, POINT OF ORDER. WE NEED TO DO THE APPROVAL OF MINUTES. I WILL MOVE THE APPROVAL >> JOE, THANK YOU. >> I WILL SECOND. >> WE HAVE A FIRST AND A SECOND. [1.  Public Hearing To Consider Rezoning Application Z-20-02 RA To AR] ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? ALSO SUPPOSED? THAT WOULD BE THE ONLY TIME WE TAKE A GENERAL VOTE. EVERYTHING ELSE WILL BE SPECIFIC. THANK YOU FOR POINTING THAT OUT. CHAD, YOU ARE MUTED. >> WE ARE WAITING FOR THE PRESENTATION. >> CAN YOU GUYS SEE ME YET? >> CAN YOU HEAR ME? [INDISCERNIBLE] I'VE BEEN TRYING TO GET THROUGH TO YOUR MEETING TODAY. >> HELLO? >> TROY, ÃWE ARE NOT IN OPEN COMMENT. >> HELLO? >> CAN YOU HIT THAT? >> ITEM 1. >> HELLO? I HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. I CAN HEAR YOU. HELLO? >> WE WILL GIVE HIM SIX MINUTES AT THE END. [00:10:19] APPLICANT IS REQUESTING CHANGE TO HAVE HORSES AND VARIOUS NONCOMMERCIAL AGRICULTURAL PURSUITS TO BE SELF RA AND AR AND TO THE WEST Ã >> HELLO? THE SITE AND A PHOTO HERE. STAFF HAS REVIEWED THE APPLICATION AND DETERMINE THE REQUEST IS APPLICABLE WITH THE SURROUNDING AREA AND STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL. MR. CHAIRMAN, YOU GUYS WERE EMAILED EARLIER. WE HAD A LETTER IN OPPOSITION TO PUT IN THE RECORD. THE OPPOSITION CAME FROM THIS ALICE CLAMPS IN KEYSTONE HEIGHTS. >> THANK YOU. >> CHAD, COULD YOU BRIEFLY TELL US ABOUT THE OPPOSITION IN THE EMAIL? >> SHE WAS OPPOSED FOR IT TO BE CHANGED FROM RA TO AR FEELING IT WAS NOT COMPATIBLE AND SHE CITED THE FACT THAT IN AR YOU COULD HAVE PARKING OF COMMERCIAL THEATERS BUT IT'S ONLY ONE PER ACRE AND TWO OVERALL AND YOU ARE CAPPED AT TO AND SHE HAD CONCERNS WITH RTRTILERER A T THIS S LIKE THAT COULD GET INTO THE BROOK THERE AND THERE'S GENERAL CONCERNS AND INCREASED TRAFFIC. >> THANK YOU. >> OKAY. ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS FOR STAFF AT THIS TIME? >> I HAVE JUST ONE IF IT'S ALL RIGHT. CHAD, ONLY ÃTTING G BILE HOHOS ONONTHEIR COUNTRY THIS IS ONE LOT AND THE DENSITY REQUIREMENT IS ONE PER ACRE. THEY WOULD HAVE TO SUBDIVIDE THIS TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT, RIGHT? >> RIGHT >> RIGHT NOW THEY CAN ONLY PUT A SINGLE ONE ON BECAUSE IT'S ONE LOT >> PAR ALLOWS FOR MODULAR HOMES, OR MOBILE HOMES >> I WAS JUST LOOKING AT ONE OF THE COMPLAINTS WAS THAT IT WOULD PERMIT THE USE OF MOBILE HOMES IN THIS LETTER AND I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY HOW MANY COULD BE ON THIS PROPERTY AS IT STANDS IF THE CHANGE IS MADE IT WOULD STILL BE ON THE WATER >> ONE DWELLING UNIT PER SALE OF PROPERTY WITH THE EXCEPTION THAT IF YOU HAD A STICK BUILT HOW SHE COULD APPLY FOR AN ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT BUT THERE'S A LOT OF RESTRICTIONS THAT GO ALONG WITH THAT >> FOR A MEDICAL HARDSHIP IS THE OTHER ONE. >> OKAY. THAT'S ALL I HAD. >> MY READING THAT CORRECTLY >> I THOUGHT I SAW MOBILE HOMES UNDER CONDITIONAL USE. >> IT'S WHERE YOU HAVE AN ILL FAMILY MEMBER YOUOURE A AOWOWED TOTO MOVE THE MOBILE HOME MPMPORARILY TO TAKE CA OF THAT INDIVIDUAL. >> OKAY. THANK YOU. >> TYPICALLY AT THIS POINT WE WOULD MOVE FROM AN APPLICANT PRESENTATION. IS THERE ONE AT THIS TIME? >> MR. CHAIRMAN IT COULD BE THE PERSON THAT HAS FUNDING FOR THIS ITEM >> WE ARE THE APPLICANTS THE JONES FAFAMILY >> GOOD AFTERNOON. THIS IS STRANGE BUT [INDISCERNIBLE] CONNECTION] >> UNFORTUNATELY IT SOUNDS LIKE WE DON'T HAVE A GREAT CONNECTION COULD YOU TELL US YOUR FULL NAME? >> JENNIFER JONES 6545 BROOKLYN [00:15:11] BAY ROAD. >> THANK YOU, MRS. JONES. AND IS THERE ANYTHING YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADD TO STAFF'S PRESENTATION? >> I WAS JUST LISTENING AND I WANTED TO KIND OF SIMPLIFY IT ALL TO PUT A HORSE THERE. AND THAT'S ALL THE COMMENTS I HAVE. WE ARE NOT DOING ANYTHING COMMERCIAL. >> THANK YOU FOR THE COCOMMISSIONERS, DO ANY OF YOU HAHAVENYNY QSTSTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? >> JUST ONE, ACTUALLY. IF I MAY? MRS. JONES, IS THERE A BARN ON THIS PROPERTY CURRENTLY OR WILL YOU BE ERECTING ONE? >> AT THIS TIME, WE ARE ÃTHERE ARE NO BARNS. THERE ARE THREE OUTBUILDINGS, SHEDS WE WILL ANTICIPATE DOING MEME POINT NO CONCRETE WE JUST DON'T KNOW WHEN. IT MIGHT BE A YEAR OR TWO. >> OKAY. ARE YOU PLANNING ANY OTHER CONSTRUCTION, ANYTHING RELATED TO THE HORSES? NO. THEY WILL HAVE A PADDOCK AREA IN THE PASTURE AREA AND THEN A FORM OF SHELTER WHICH WOULD BE THE BARN PROROCT T TM M FR E E WEATHER. OTHER ANAN ATAT, NO. >> OKAY. THANK YOU, SIR. ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? ALL RIGHT. MR. AND MRS. JONES. THANK YOU. WE ARE GOING TO BRING IT BACK FOR A PUBLIC COMMENT ÃPUBLIC COMMENT IS TO THIS AGENDA ITEM. ANYBODY WHO HAS ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ARE WELCOME TO VOICE THOSE NOW. >> YOU DO HAVE MR. OTTO WOULDLD LIKE TO SPEAK >> MR. OTTO I JUST WANT TO REMIND YOU THIS IS A PUBLIC COMMENT GERMANE TO THIS SPECIFIC ITEM. PLEASE CONTINUE. >> I WAS TRYING TO GET IN ON PUBLIC COMMENT TO BEGIN WITH THE FIRST PUBLIC COMMENT. >> OKAY. YOU ARE NOT ON DURING PUBLIC COMMENT IN THIS MEETING YOU WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT AT THE CLOTHES OF THE MEETING. DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING PERTAINING TO THIS AGENDA ITEM? >> YES, SIR. [INDISCERNIBLE] I KNOW YOU HAVE A CHICKEN ORDINANCE. HOW MANY CHICKENS CAN I HAVE? >> THIS IS PUBLIC, NOT FOR QUESTIONS. GO AHEAD. [INDISCERNIBLE] WAS WONDERING IF THEY COULD ADD CHICKENS AND ROOSTERS OR EAT THE CHICKENS AND THE EGGS. THAT WAS MY COMMENT. [INDISCERNIBLE] I'LL BE AROUND FOR THE REST OF THE AGENDA. >> THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT? WE WILL BRING IT BACK TO THE A AGAIN, JUST AS A REMINDER WE WILL KIND OF GO AROUND THE GROUP AND IF YOU HAVE A COMMENT OR QUESTION PLEASE VOICE IT AND IF NOT NO COMMENT AT THIS TIME AND THEN WE WILL MOVE TO THE NEXT INDIVIDUAL. LET'S START WITH COMMISSIONER ROBERT MCCULLOUGH. >> I HAVE NOTHING. THANK YOU. >> COMMISSIONER BO NORTON. >> I HAVE NOTHING. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, SIR VICE CHAIRMAN RALPH PUCKHABER. >> NO, I DON'T HAVE ANY ANANK YOU. LEX COMMISSIONER JOE ANZALONE >> NO, I'M GOOD. THANK YOU >> COMMISSIONER MARY BRIDGMAN. >> NO QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS. THANK YOU. >> COMMISSIONER HARRISON >> NO QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS. THANK YOU >> AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST OUR SCHOOL BOARD REPRESENTATIVE [00:20:06] JIM. >> NO COMMENT FROM ME. THANK YOU. >> ALL RIGHT. SO WE WILL BE LOOKININFOR R MOMOTI T TO VE F FWAWARD >> I WILL MA A A MOTION TO MOVE THE ITEM FORWARD >> I WILL SUCK IT. >> JOE IS THE MAKER AND JOE IS THE SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? WE WILL GO THROUGH THE MOTION. [2.  Public Hearing To Consider Rezoning Application Z-20-04 BB-2 To BB-4] AGENDA ITEM. THIS IS KIND OF FUN AND A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. >> BE CAREFUL. WE MAY GET SPOILED. >> SO LET'S MOVE TO OUR SECOND AGENDA ITEM PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER REZONING PLICICIONSNS Z20204 FROM BB-2 TO BB-8 4. >> THE APPLICANT IS A CHANGE IN STATUS THE PARCEL IS APPROXIMATELY 1.16 ACRES. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CHANGE ORDER TO ALLOW FOR BOAT SALES. NEXT. TO THE NORTH THE SURROUNDING ZONINGS ARE IA BB-2 AND AR AND TO THE EAST, AR. TO T T WESESIS U.S. 17 AND TO THE SOUTH IS AR 17. NEXT? THIS IS AN AERIAL VIEW OF THE SITE AND ALREADY EXISTING BUSINESS. IT DETERMINES [INDISCERNIBLE] THE PROPERTY WAS ZONED B BEFORE IN 2005 AND SUBSEQUENTLY CHANGED TWICE AND IS BEING REQUESTED BACK TO BB FOR STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE APPLICATION. >> THANK YOU, MR. WILLIAMS. FURTHER QUESTIONS. FOR >> THIS IS RALPH. I AM ONE. CHAD, YOU ALREADY TOOK YOUR PRESENTATION DOWN BUT MY QUESTION WAS ON THE ZONING MAP THAT WAS IN YOUR PRESENTATION, IT LOOKS LIKE THE WHOLE PARCEL, ALL THE WAY BACK, IS GOING TO BE BEFORE. IS THAT CORRECT? >> THAT IS CORRECT USUSLLY Y AT'S'SRESISINTIAIAAND COMMERCIAL ON THROROAD. IS THAT PARCEL GO ALL THE WAY BACK LIKE IT SHOWS IN THAT MAP THE WHOLE ZONING WOULD GO BACK THERE? DOES THAT WHOLE PARCEL COMMERCIAL?> IN THE END USE FOR THE ENTIRE PARCEL IS COMMERCIAL. THIS IS ONE OF THOSE STANDARDIZED WE WAIT SO MANY FEEDBACK AND OVERLAY WITH COMMERCIAL ZONING WITH RESIDENTIAL TO THE REAR BACK WHEN THEY CONVERTED THIS, THEY ALSO DID A LAND-USE CHANGE THAT INCORPORATED THE WHOLE PARCEL AS COMMERCIAIA >> T TNKNK Y.. >>RERE TRERE A O OTH QUESTIONS FOSTAFF? OKAY. HEARING NONE, IS THERE AN APPLICANT AVAILABLE? >> YES. >> IS THIS THE APPLICANT? >> I AM I LIVE 37 05 [INDISCERNIBLE] IN THE APPLICANT FOR THE REZONINGNG WE H H RENEND FOFOA YEAR A PRODUCE STAND AND NOW THERE IS SOMEBODY THAT WANTS TO GO THERE AND SELL BOATS MERCURY ENGINE BOATS AND THEY ARE ASKING FOR REZONING AND THAT'S WHY WE HAVE APPLIED. THANK YOU BY THE WAY. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS >> AS LONG AS EVERYTHING IS OKAY. [00:25:13] I'M OKAY. >> IF YOU WILL HOLD TIGHT FOR ME ONE SECOND I WANT TO SEE IF ANY COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS YOU. COMMISSIONERS, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY. HEARING NONE, THANK YOU.I APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE. WE ARE GOING TO NOW OPEN PUBLIC COMMENT AGAIN, I WANT TO REMIND EVERYBODY THIS IS PUBLIC COMMENT GERMANE TO THIS AGENDA ITEM. ARE THERE ANY? >> >> THIS IS MR. OTTO I WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM. HELLO. YES, SIR. CAN YOU HEAR ME? >> YES, WE HAVE USED. YES, SIR JUST WANT TO REMIND YOU THAT COMMISSIONER ROLLINS DOES NOT WANT YOU TO SUPPORT CHINA ACTIVITY IN ANY FUNDING, SO JUST REMEMBER THAT IN YOUR DECISION. THANK YOU. >> IS THERE ANY OTHER PUBLIC MMENEN HEARARG NONO, WEWEILL L VE B ÃWE WILLLLMOMOVEORORWA A ANDE E WIL CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT AND BRING IT BACK TO THE PLANNING BOARD FOR DISCUSSION. SO WE WILL GO BACK TO THE ROLE AGAIN AND IF YOU HAVE ANY AGENDA ITEM OR IF YOU HAVE ANY ITEMS YOU WANT TO DISCUSS EITHER QUESTIONS OR AND WE WILL START WITH THE SCHOOL BOARD REPRESENTATIVE JIM SOSA. >> ANY QUESTIONS OR COCOENTSTS COISSISIERER MHALALA >>>> NO QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS >> THANK YOU, SIR. COMMISSIONER NORTON? >> NO QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS, SIR. >> THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER PUCKHABER? >> NO QUESTIONS, THANK YOU. >> COMMISSIONER ANGELO? >>>>O QUQUTIONON >> THANK Y Y. MMMMISONONERRIRIMAN?N? >>O O QUTITIONS OR COMMENTS. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER GARRISON? >> NO QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS. THANK YOU >> ALREADY. THANK YOU. >> WE WILL BE LOOKING FOR A MOTION ON THIS AGENDA ITEM. >> I MOVE FOR APPROVAL >> I WILL SECOND. >> WILL HAVE A FIRST FROM MR. GARRISON AND I THINK THE SECOND WAS FROM MR. ANZALONE, WAS THAT CORRECT? >> CORRECT >> THANK YOU. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL RIGHT. WE WILL MOVE IT TO THE BOATS. [3.  Public Hearing to Consider Amendments to Land Development Code, Article II, Pertaining to Subdivision Permitting and Certificates of Occupancy] AGENDA ITEM. THANK YOU FOR JOINING US ON THIS MEETING WE WILL MOVE TO THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM. >> THANK YOU VERY MUMU. >>URUR NT T AGENDA ITEM ÃWE ARE ÃWE ARE DEFERRING ITEM NUMBER 3. THERE'S SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THAT'S BEING GATHERED BY STAFF AND CORRESPONDENCE TOOK PLACE HERE FOR MY UNDERSTANDING. AND SO THIS ITEM HAS BEEN DEFERRED AND MOST LIKELY WILL WE ARE GOING TO MOVE TO ITEM NUMBER FOUR. >> IF I COULD INTERJECT >> ITEM NUMBER THREE SO I THINK WE NEED TO ASK TROY IF THERE'S ÃAS WE ARE DEFERRING ITEM NUMBER THREE LAYER OPENING PUBLIC COMMENT AT THIS TIME. >> MR. OTTO HAS ASKED TO SPEAK ON ITEM NUMBER 3. >> OKAY. THANK YOU. >> YES, SIR. [INDISCERNIBLE] I HAVE TO PASS ON THAT. I GOT DISTRACTED. >> SO THERE IS NO COMMENT? >> NO, SIR. >> CHAIRMAN, THIS IS RALPH. DO WE NEED A CONTINUANCE ON THIS? [00:30:07] I THINK WE HAVE TO WE CAN'T JU D DFOLLOW. I WILL THAT WE ARE ÃTHE JUNE DATE. JUNE 2. JUNE 2. PUBLIC HEARING I WILL MAKE A MOTION. >> PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED AND PLEASE MOVE FORWARD >> I MOVE CONTINUANCE OF I FORGOT WHAT THIS WAS ACTUALLY CALLED. THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT FOUR AND GERTRUDE Ã THAT'S A DIFFERENT ONE ÃI MOVE THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AMENDMENT FOR SUBDIVISION PERMITTING REQUIREMENTS THAT WE CONTINUE IT UNTIL OUR NEXT MEETING WHICH IS JUNE 2 AT 7:00 [4.  Public Hearing to consider CPA 2020-02 to amend 42 parcels from Rural Residential to Rural Fringe] P.M. OR AS SOON THEREAFTER AS IT MAY BE HEARD. >> I WILL SECONDNDTHTH. >>>>HE S SOND D S ? >> YES, SIR. >> WE HAVE A FIRST AND A SECOND. WE'RE GOING TO DO A GROUP BOAT. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY HIGH. THANK YOU LET'S MOVE FORWARD AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FOUR. AND I BELIEVE MRS. STEWART IS THAT YOU? >> NO, THAT'S MR. LEHMAN. >> AS SOON AS NICK HITS IT UP I WILL REVIEW IT QUICKLY. THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING AND IS A COUNTY SPONSORED LAND-USE AMENDMENT OF CPA 20 Ã02 A LARGE-SCALE AMENDMENT TO GO FROM RURAL RESIDENTIAL TO RURAL FRENCH 42 ACRES ALONG ANNE KEARNEY RD. AND HOWARD ROAD. TOTALING 47.09 FIRST. IS LOCATED IN THE DISTRICT FOR WHICH IS MR. ROLLINS IN THE CLAY HILL PLANNING DISTRICT AND IT'S THE APPLICANT 'S CLAY COUNTY. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. THE ONE ON THE LEFT IS THE PARCEL MAP AS YOU CAN SEE THE 42 PARCELS ARE SHOWN THERE AND I WILL GET INTO THE SPECIFIC OF THE CHANGE WILL WE GET TO THE LATER MAP THAT SHOWS THE REZONING. THERE IS AN AERIAL AND AS YOU CAN SEE MOST OF THE PARCELS ARE OCCUPIED WITH SINGLE FAMILY UNITS. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. >> THERE IS THE SIGN THAT WE PUT T ANANCHATATLMOSOSLLLLED HIHIMSF F PUTTING IT INTO THE GROUND AND THERE IS A FEW PICTURES OF THE LAND. ONE ACRE LOT WITH MOSTLY RESIDENTIAL. THERE IS ONE CHURCH LOCATED WITHIN THE AREA. AGAIN ON YOUR LEFT IS THE LAND-USE RIGHT NOW AND IT'S RESIDENTIAL. WORLD RESIDENTIAL ZONING CATEGORY OF AR IS ONE UNIT PER FIVE ACRES. WE HAVE 42 PARCELS 47 ACRES. OBVIOUSLY NONE OF THOSE PARCELS ARE FIVE ACRES. EVERY ONE OF THESE PARCELS IS NONCONFORMING TO THE LND-USE THEY WERE GIVEN WHEN WE DID THE UNION PLAN. THOSE ARE LOCATED IN THE SUBDIVISION WITH THIS SUBDIVISION WE WOULD BE FINE. WE WOULD REVIEW THE REZONING. LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE'S PLAN OF THE ZONING CLASSIFICATION TODAY ARE THE LAND-USE DESIGNATION AND NORMAL RESIDENTIAL DENSITY IS ONE UNIT PER FIVE ACRES UNLESS YOU ARE A SUBDIVISION IN WHICH CASE ITS OWN UNIT PER ACRE. IN THIS CASE THEY ARE NOT PART OF A SUBDIVISION AS ONE UNIT PER FIVE ACRES AND EVERY LOT IS IN THIS AREA IS NONCONFORMING. AGAIN WE HAVE HAD REQUESTS FROM SEVERAL CITIZENS TO DEVELOP OUT THERE AND THEY ARE UNABLE TO BECAUSE THEY HAVE NONCONFORMING LOT. IF YOU HAVE A ZONING CLASSIFICATION OF AR AND ITS ROLE FRENCH THE DENSITY IS ONE UNIT PER ACRE. WE ARE IN A UNIQUE SITUATION AND WE GET TO THE NEXT SLIDE ONCE THEY GET THEM LAND-USE CHANGE THEY DO NOT NEED A ZONING CHANGE. AGAIN THERE'S THE IMPACT THE POTENTIAL DEVELOPMENT IS THERE ARE NINE VACANT UNITS HERE. THEORETICALLY YOU CAN GET AN INCREASE OF NINE RESIDENTS IN THIS AREA. WE RECEIVED SEVERAL INQUIRIES FOR PEOPLE WHO LIKE TO BUY ON THE PROPERTY BUT IT'S NONCONFORMING THEY DON'T HAVE FIVE ACRES AND THEY ARE NOT [00:35:02] ALLOWED TO BUILD THEY CAN ADD A SHADOW OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. PARCELS TO THE EAST ARE THTH SAME LAND-USE AND THE SAME NINGNGATEGEGY BUBUTHOSE ARE NFORORNG LOLO BECECSE T TY DODO WILL BE IN THE SUBDIVISION. NO REZONING WILL BE NECESSARY IF IT'S APPROVED AS ALL PARCELS WILL BE CONFORMING. STAFF BELIEVES CHANGING THE USE TO RURAL FRENCH IS EXISTENT WITH THE EXISTING CHARACTER INCLUDING THESE 42 PARCELS. AND I WILL STOP THERE FOR QUESTIONS. NEXT SLIDE FIRST. WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL AND THAT'S THE CHANGE WE ARE RECOMMENDING AND WITH THAT I WILL STOP FOR ESESTIONS. >> THANK YOU. I AM A LITTLE SHOCKED THAT YOU WOULD MOVE FOR APPROVAL ON SOMETHING YOU BROUGHT TO THE TABLE. THAT WAS A BIT OF A JOKE. >> THAT'S SHOCKING. >> OKAY. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSIONERS TO STAFF? >> ONE OF THEM YOU ANSWERED ALREADY WHEN YOU SAID THE OTHER PARCELS THAT WERE IN A SUBDIVISION SO THEY WOULD BE CONFORMING ALREADY. IS THIS JUST A RESULT OF GETTING INQUIRIES FROM PEOPLE WANTING TO BUILD ON THESE LOTS FINDING OUT WE PROBABLY HAD A PROBLEM IN BOTH THE ORIGINAL LAND-USE AND? >> PRACTICE PRETTY MUCH PRECISELY WHAT IT IS. ONE LANDOWNER WHO IS INQUIRED AND THEIR QUESTION IS WHY CAN'T WE DO IT WHEN MY NEIGHBORS ARE DOING IT. >> OKAY. THANK YOU. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS TO STAFF? >> THANK YOU. WE ARE GOING TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS ITEMEM RINGNGTHIS HEARING., WOULD YOU LET ME KNOW IF THEY COME UP >> PLEASE PRESS STAR SIX AND UNMUTE YOUR LINE. >> >> HELLO? HEHEO? W WE ARE IN PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS AGENDA ITEM AND YOU HAVE THE FLOOR. YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES. >> TROY ARNETT CAN YOU CONFIRM CHRIS OR NICK IS ON THE PHONE? >> HE IS THE ONLY NUMBER I DIDI'T GET. I DIDN'T RECOGNIZE THE NUMBER ONLINE. >> PLEASE PRESS STAR SIX. >> I GUESS NOT. >> IF NOT MR. OTTO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM. >> OKAY. IF MR. CHRIS IS NOT ABLE TO GET THROUGH THEN IF HE CALLS BACK AND PLEASE LET ME KNOW AFTER MR. OTTO ÃAFTER HIS TIME EXPIRES. PLEASE PROCEED? >> >> HELLO. CAN YOU HEAR ME? >> YES. PLEASE PROCEED. CLAY COUNTY FLORIDA I WOULD LIKE YOU TO REFLECT ON THE LAST THREE ROADS TO 18 WHICH IS THE MAIN ROAD AND MR. WANAMAKER SAID [INDISCERNIBLE] I REALLY WOULD THINK YOU NEED TO PUT OFF DUMPING ANY MORE TRAFFIC ON TO 218 UNTIL YOU START GETTING THE ROAD UP TO PAR IT'S UNFORTUNATE THAT THEY DID PAY THEIR IMPACT FEES [INDISCERNIBLE] OTHER AREAS IN THE COMMUNITY ARE PROPERTY PRONE NOT HAVING TO SPEND THEIR FAIR SHARE BUT I WOULD ASK YOU ALL TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT MR. LONDON'S PRESENTATION LIKE THE FIRST AND SECOND ONE WHERE HE SAID THAT CLAY COUNTIES WHOLE THING IS THIS WORLD TYPE LIVING AND WE PAID ALL OF THAT MONEY FOR HIM TO COME AND GIVE US THOSE GOOD PRESENTATIONS AND YOU KNOW, WE [00:40:07] ARE TRYING TO GET THIS HUNDRED AND $30 MILLION OR I SHOULD SAY THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO GIVE $130 MILLION LOAN FOR $91 MILLION WORTH OF PROJECTS. BUT THEY JUST SCRATCHED THE 218 BRIDGE AND THEY ARE TRYING TO SPEND MONEY ON THE FAIRGROUNDS FOR ELECTRIC AND EXPANSIONS. HE MONEY IS JUST NOW BEING SPENT RIGHT >> MR. OTTO [INDISCERNIBLE] CAN TROY JUST MUTE HIM WHEN HE GOES OFF LIKE THAT? CAUSUSTHISISS DISCUSSING DURING THIS AGENDA ITEM, THEN I WILL DIRECT STAFF TO MUTE YOU BECAUSE WE ARE ONLY TALKING ABOUT THIS AGENDA ITEM. WE ARE NOT GOING OFF ON TANGENTS ABOUT OTHER ISSUES. >> AND WE ALL WANT TO HEAR YOUR COMMENTS AS LONG AS THEY PERTAIN TO THIS ITEM. WE WILL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING AT THE END OF THIS FOR YOU TO TALK ABOUT ANYTHING ELSE OTHER THAN THIS AGENDA ITEM. AM I CLEAR? >> YES, SIR BUT I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT WHAT I JUST SAID. THESE ARE ALL PERTAINING TO THIS ITEM.YOU ARE TRYING TO TAKE THE RESIDENTIAL PIECE OF PROPERTY AND STICK MORE Ã INCREASED DENSITY AND TO 18 IS THE ONLY ROAD THAT GOES OM AY HILL INTOTOLALACOCOTYTY UNUNSS YOUOUO O 30 ANANGOGO AROUND. >> >> YOUR THREE MINUTES HAVE EXPIRED. ANY OTHER FOLKS THAT WANT TO SPEAK ON PUBLIC HEARING? >> THAT'S ALL WE HAVE >> WE WILL BRING IT BACK >> HELLO? EXCUSE ME. THIS IS GEORGE REST HOWARD ROAD. GO AHEAD. >>>> M MY LYLY QSTSTION IS IS THERE ANY CHANGE IN THE TAX LIABILITY TO THE PROPERTY WHEN THIS CHANGES? >> I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S A QUESTION THAT WE CAN ANSWER IN THIS CONDITION. WE D ÃWE DEAL WITH LAND USE AND ZONING. >> HOW COULD YOU PASS THIS ON TO PEOPLE I HAVE DEALT WITH YOU BEFORE. YOU DON'T REALLY CHANGE. SO YOU ARE PRESENTING THIS BECAUSE THIS IS FROM THE COMMISSIONS I HAVE ALREADY MADE YOUR DECISION HOW YOU ARE GOING TO ACT. HOW DOES THIS CHANGE THE TAX LIABILITY FOR THE PEOPLE THAT WILL NOW HAVE THE PROPERTY CHANGED TO RURAL FRENCH. >> WE ARE IN PUBLIC HEARING. IT WOULD NOT BE APPROPRIATE FOR YOU TO ASK QUESTIONS TO THE COMMISSIONERS BUT YOU CAN SHARE YOUR CONCERNS AT THIS TIME AND THEN WE WILL BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMISSIONERS FOR DISCUSSION. IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADD? >> YES. WHEN I REQUESTED THIS COMMENT, THIS TIME, I WAS TOLD I COULD ASK QUESTIONS. AND I GUESS I'VE BEEN UNINFORMED AGAIN BUT IT SEEMS THAT WHEN YOU BRING THINGS TO THIS COURT THE DECISION IS ALREADY MADE. AND THE PEOPLE OF THE COUNTY TO BE ABLE TO ASK QUESTIONS OF WHAT IT'S GOING TO DO TO ITS PROPERTY, I THINK YOU SHOULD HAVE THE ANSWERS. OKAY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENT DURING PUBLIC HEARING ARE THERE ANY OTHER CITIZENS THAT WANT TO SPEAK DURING THIS HEARING? OKAY. CARRYING ON, WE WILL BRING Ã >> YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED >> TO THE COMMISSION FOR DISCUSSIONONMONGNG THE COMMMMSIONONS. WE WILL GO THROUGH ROLLCALL AND FOLLOW THE SAME PROTOCOL WE HAD BEFORE. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? >> NO QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS >> COMMISSIONER BOLO >> NO QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS >> COMMISSIONER NORTON? >> NO QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS, [00:45:07] >> COMMISSIONER PUCKHABER? >> JUST A COMMENT IF I COULD. THIS SEEMS LIKE WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO IS FIX A PROBLEM THAT OCCURRED PREVIOUSLY. AND WE ARE ACTUALLY HELPING OUT PEOPLE HERE. I DON'T THINK ANYBODY IS NEGATIVELY IMPACTED. AND I WANT TO SEE IF ANYONE'S ASKING ABOUT THE TAX IMPLICATIONS. THERE IS A PROPERTY APPRAISER'S OFFICE FOR AND THAT'S THE REASONS THAT WHEN THE SUN GOES UP TO WHAT PEOPLE NOTICE IS COMING AND THOSE QUESTIONS LIKE THAT SHOULD BE DIRECTED T TTHE TAX ÃTHE PROPERTY APPRAISER OR TAX COLLECTOR PRIOR TO THE MEETING. HE'S GOT TIME UP TO ASK THOSE QUESTIONS YOU KNOW, WE ARE JUST TRYING TO HELP PEOPLE BE ABLE TO USE THEIR PROPERTY HERE. WE ARE NOT REALLY PUTTING ANYTHING ELSE IN PLACE. >> THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION. COMMISSIONER ANSELL AND >> NO QUESTITIS BUT MY COMMENTNT TO T T GENTLEMAN MR. CHRISS, DO ACCEPT QUESTIONS DURING OUR COMMENT PERIODS. LIKE YOU SAID MR. CHAIRMAN THOSE QUESTIONS CAN'T ALWAYS BE ANSWERED BECAUSE AS COMMISSIONER PUCKHABER JUST ALLUDED TO, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE THINGS THAT ARE OUT OF OUR CONTROL AND THINGS WE LOOK AT. BUT THE QUESTIONS THAT COME THROUGH DURING THE COMMENT PERIODS. FROM THE GENERAL PUBLIC ARE TYPICALLY THINGS THAT WE WILL SOMETIMES AND ALMOST ALL THE TIME PASS UP TO THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS UPON IMPROVING THE ITEM AND THOSE OF THE THINGS THEY NEED TO LOOK AT. WE ARE ONLY BETTING TIS OUT TO SEND IT TO THEM. OUR DECISION IS NOT FINAL. WE JUST WANT THE PUBLIC TO KNOW THAT GOING FORWARD. >> EXCELLENT. >> I HAVE NO QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS. I HAVE NO QUESTIONS BUT I DO HAVE A COMMENT AND I WOULD LIKE TO ASSURE MR. CRIST THAT THESE MATTERS ARE NONODECIDED IN ADVANCE OF THE MEETINGNGAND D OUR R ETININ, YOYOWILLLLSETHTH ITEMS ARE VOTED AGAINST EVERYTHING DOESN'T PASS. WE ARE AN ADVISORY BOARD. THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS BUT WE DON'T CONFER ON ANY OF THIS IN ADVANCE OF MEETING AND WE ARE NOT ALLOWED TO UNDER THE SUNSHINE LAW AND THE DECISION IS MADE IN FRONT OF YOU WHILE THE PUBLIC BBSO I IUST T NTEDED TOTOHAREREHAT T ANK K U ANAN THANANYOU U R YOYO ECIPIP PARTICIPATION AND INTEREST. IT'S ALL RIGHT. AND COMMISSIONER BILL GARRISON? >> NO COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS MR. CHAIR. >> THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE THE COMMISSIONERS FOR WEIGHING IN AND CLARIFYING ON THOSE ITEMS. AT THIS POINT, WE ARE GOING TO MOVE INTO ÃI WILL BE LOOKING FOR EMOTION. >> THIS IS RALPH. >> I IILL L CONDNDHAT T RERT >> W WHAVEVE FIRIRSTRORO COCOMMSISIER P PUCABABERANAND T SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER ANZALONE. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? [5.  Public Hearing to consider CPA 2020-01 to amend Branan Field FLU Policy 1.4.10 to add Several Permitted Uses] >> HEARING ON WE WILL GO TO THE ROLLCALL FOR THE BOAT. COMMISSIONER MAHALIK? >> FORGRGE MEMEF I'I'IN ERROR. THANK YOU. WE HAVE A UNANIMOUS VOTE FOR YES. AND WE WILL MOVE TO OUR LAST AGENDA ITEM PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER 2020 Ã01 TO AMEND FLQ POLICY TO ADD SEVERAL PERMITTED USES. >> THANK YOU, SIR. THIS IS TO AMEND ITS CPA 2020-01. AND IT'S TO A MACRO LANGUAGE OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN POLICY 1.4.10. WHICH ADDRESSES RURAL NEIGHBORHOOD CENTERS, AND THIS IS SPECIFICALLY TO ADD 2900 SQUARE-FOOT COFFEE OR DONUT SHOP WITH A DRIVE THROUGH AND ALSO TO ADD A GROCERY STORE OF [00:50:07] LESS THAN 55,000 SQUARE FEET WITH A DRIVE THROUGH PHARMACY TO THE TYPICAL USES THAT ARE ALLOWED IN THE RURAL NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER AND IT ALSO ELIMINATES A SIX ACRE SIZE RESTRICTION TO RETAIL USES ON THAT PROPERTY. WE HAVE ONLY GOT ONE. IT'S LOCATED AT THE INTERSECTION OF OLD JENNINGS RD. AND TIMES BOULEVARD. YOU COULD MOVE TO THE THIRD SLIDE, ACTUALLY AT THIS POINT. >> THANK YOU. >> SO BECAUSE THERE IS ONLY ONE CANDIDATE ISIS LATAT IN N . BO'S C CMISSSSN N DIRICTCT2 THAT'S THE RIDGEWOOD PLANNING DISTRICT. UTILITY SERVICES AND SO ON. THERE IS WATER AND WASTEWATER SERVICE WITHIN THE URBAN SERVICE AREA. SOLID WASTE IS AVAILABLE. THE PROPOSAL WOULD NOT AFFECT RECREATION AND THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE SITE WOULD HAVE TO MEET STORMWATER DEVELOPMENTS.STAFF HAS REVIEWED T T APAPICATATN ANANWE C CREEDED TS S PRERERTYI THIS USE IN 2013, I BELIEVE. IT HAS SAT VACANT ALL THIS TIME. IT WAS INTENDED TO BE A NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER AND THE ISSUE ESSENTIALLY BEFORE YOU IS WHETHER OR NOT THE GROCERY STORE AND THE COFFEE SHOP OR A DOUGHNUT SHOP ARE CONSISTENT WITH TH NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER LOW DENSITY TYPE ACTIVITY IN BRANDON FIELD AND THIS PROPOSAL WOULD TO ADD THTHE TWTWUSESES TH T THEIR DVEVERSO O THOTOTHER USES THAT ARE LISTED IN THAT DISTRICT. CREYAUFMILLER IS THE APPLICANT, AND HE IS REPRESENTING [INDISCERNIBLE] >> WE BELIEVE HE IS ON THE LINE. >> BEFORE WE INVITE THE APPLICANT IN, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FROM OUR COMMISSIONERS AND STAFF?>> >> THERE WAS NO MAP IN MY PACKET ON THIS. MR.R.HAHAIRELSE GET ONE R R >> IT'S A TEXT AMENDMENT SO IT DIDN'T REALLY INVOLVE A MAP BUT THE PARCELS, THE NINE ACRE TRACT AT THE INTERSECTION OF TIMES THIS LENGTHWISE ALONG TIMES AND AT OLD JENNINGS RD. >> I DAILY KNOW IN MY MIND, I CAN VAGUELY SEE THE AREA. VISIT THEIR ÃTHERE IS A BUILDING ACROSS THE STREET FROM THAT LOT I'M NOT SURE IF THEY SCHOOL OR OFFICE BUILDING LEVEL, >> THERE IS A PUBLIC SCHOOL RIGHT THERE IT'S A LITTLE BIT NORTH OF THE SITE AND THERE'S ACTUALLY ÃTHERE'S THREE RESIDENTIAL PARCELS. THIS WAS CREATED IN 2013. IT'S THE ONLY UPLAND. REST OF THE TRASH REST OF THE AREA HAS POWER LINES RUNNING THROUGH IT, UTILITY LINES RUNNING THROUGH IT. OTHER THAN THAT IT'S UNDEVELOPABLE. WOULD NOT HAVE ANY DEVELOPMENT OF THE PARCEL SINCE WE CREATED IT. THIS WOULD CERTAINLY MOVE IT IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION, THEN, CORRECT? >> YOU KNOW, ORIGINALLY IT WAS INTENDED TO BE A LOW DENSITY OR LOW INTENSITY COMMERCIAL KIND OF USE, BUT IN THINKING ABOUT IT, I THINK A GROCERY STORE FITS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD SHOPPING CENTER AND THAT WOULD NOT CHANGE THE INTENTION OF IT BEING A OW INTENSITY TYPE OF USE BUT IT WOULD BE A SERVICE TO THE NEIGHBORS IN THAT AREA. PINE RIDGE IS JUST NORTH OF THAT AND NORTH IF THAT IS TO CREEKS. >> OKAY. THANK YOU. >> DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION? >> I ACTUALLY HAVE PROBABLY A LENGTHY OMMENT BUT I WANT TO WAIT UNTIL AFTER THE APPLICANT AND THEY COMMENTS. >> VERY GOOD.RE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE COMMISSIONERS TO STAFF? >> THIS IS ROBERT. CAROLYN, YOU PUT A RESTRICTION OF GROCERY STORES LESS THAN 55,000 SQUARE FEET. IS THERE SOMETHING IN PARTICULAR THAT THAT WOULD RESTRICT BY KEEPING IT IF >> I THINK WITHIN SOME GROCERY [00:55:10] STORE CHAINS YOU MOVE UP TO A PRETTY INTENSE GROCERY STORE ONCE YOU GET OVER THE 55,000. THE APPLICANTS CAN PROBABLY ANSWER THAT QUESTION BETTER THAN MYSELF. AND IT IS THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST. OKAY. THANK YOU. >> OKAY. HEARING NO OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSIONERS, WE WILL INVITE THE APPLICANT TO COME IN AND INTRODUCE THEMSELVES. >> MR. MILLER, PLEASE PRESS STAR SIX TO UNMUTE YOUR OUTLINE. >> GOOD EVENING. CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? GOOD EVENING. WELCOME TO THE MEETING. >> THANK YOU. MR. CHAIR AND COMMISSIONERS, THIS IS FRANK MILLER. I'M AN ATTORNEY AND I AM HERE NENER T THEROROPEY.Y.THTHE AS CAROLYN EXPLAINED THIS LAND USE CATEGORY WAS CREATED FIVE OR SIX YEARS AGO TO ADDRESS A NEED THAT SEEMED TO BE ARISING IN THAT AREA OF THE COUNTY AND PARTICULARLY WITH RESPECT TO THE PINE RIDGE PLANTATION DEVELOPMENT AND THE TWO CREEKS DEVELOPMENT BEYOND THAT. AND IT WAS CONTEMPLATED TO BE A NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER THAT WOULD HAVE VARIOUS RETAIL AND OTHER USES IN IT. AND FRANKLY, THERE IS A MARKET FOR THAT IN THIS LOCATION. AND THIS IS A DEVELOPER OF GROCERY STORE CENTERS AND THEY ARE LOOKING TO DEVELOP A GROCERY STORE ON THE SITE WITH ASSOCIATED RETAIL USES, AND THE LIMITATION ON THE SIZE IS THE IDEA THAT IF YOU GET MUCH LARGER THAN THAT, YOU ARE GETTING INTO THE SUPERCENTERS AND THINGS LIKE THAT WHICH IS NOT APPROPRIATE FOR THIS LOCATION. BUT WITH OVER 5000 RESIDENTS WITHIN A COUPLE OF MILES OF THIS, KIND OF THE STANDARD SMALLER SIZE GROCERY STORE WOULD BE A GOOD FIT. AND WITH TODAY'S MARKET, THE GROCERY STORES ALL HAVE THEIR PHARMACIES AND THE DRIVE-THROUGH IS CRITICAL TO MAKING THOSE ATTRACTIVE.ND THE IDEA THAT THERE IS A OP O OA DODOHNUT SHOP P AT E ULD D T THTHPROJOJT ASASWELL. I AM HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND STAFF HAS WORKED VERY CLOSELY WITH US ON THIS AND WE APPRECIATE THAT. WE PARTICULARLY APPRECIATE THE RECOMMENDATION AND WISH THAT YOU WILL FOLLOW IT. >> THANK YOU, MR. MILLER. DO ANY OF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? >> I HAVE ONE. THIS IS RALPH. VEVERATHTHIN I IN RERE THAT ACTUALLY CONCERN ME BUT THE ONE THAT REALLY DOES IS WHERE WE WANT OR YOU ARE REQUESTING TO REMOVE THE MAXIMUM OF SIX ACRES DESIGNATED AS RETAIL. THAT ALLOWS THE WHOLE THING TWO ÃTO BECOME BASICALLY A SHOPPING CENTER. YOU CAN CALL IT A NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER IF YOU WANT BUT YOU ARE LOOKING AT PUTTING IN A SHOPPING CENTER. WHAT OTHER REASON WOULD THERE BE FOR REMOVING FAT LIMITATION ON ACREAGE? KNKNOWHYHY IS S ERE E ORININAL.. WH W WE T T THCOCOMMENTS I'M GOG G TOXPXPLAIN WHAT HAPPENED. LAST TIME WE LOOKED AT THIS PARCEL. >> WELL, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, IF I'M NOT INTERRUPTING, THE REASON FOR REMOVING IT ÃIT WAS THE CONTEMPLATION THAT IT WOULD BE A SHOPPING CENTER IN THE SENSE BUT THAT'S WHAT THE MARKET IS D ITIT B BTHE E REREAGCOCONCT T IS NOT A GOOD CONCEPT FOR DETERMINING USES BECAUSE YOU TALK ABOUT SIX ACRES. IS IT SIX ACRES INCLUDING THE PARKING AREAS OF THE SIX ACRES OR IS IT INCLUDED ÃWHAT IF YOU HAVE SHARED PARKING WITH THE OFFICE SPACE AND STUFF LIKE [01:00:03] THAT? THAT JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. THE DEVELOPER CONTEMPLATED HAVING ADDITIONAL USES, BUT THEY DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH IT BEING LIMITED BY THE SIZE OF THE RETAIL SPACE. THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR NOW. I WILL COMMENT MORE LATER. >> ALL RIGHT. OUR THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? OKAY. MR. MILLER, INCORPORATED YOU FOR JOINING US. AT THIS TIME, WE ARE GOING TO OPEN THE PUBLIC COMMENT. AGAIN, PUBLIC COMMENT IS SPECIFIC TO THIS AGENDA ITEM. >> THE ONLNLONE I HAVE IS MR. >>HAHANKYO >> THIS IS [INDISCERNIBLE] CAN YOU HEAR ME? >> YES. GO AHEAD MR. OTTO. >> YES. I AM DEFINITELY AN OBJECTION TO THIS PLAN THAT'S BEING BROUGHT. 220 AND TIMES IS A MAJOR ISSUE AT THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS WITH THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC ISSUES RIGHT THERE NOW AND THERE ARE SO MANY THTHGS T TT ARARALREREY APAPOVEDEDIGHTHTHERERE N AST T ISUTUT HENEN'TEVEVENONONE IN. TODAY AT THE MEETING, THEY ARE PUMPING THE 218 BRIDGE AND NOW 220 IS BEING PUT UP THERE AND NOW YOU ARE TRYING TO PUT MORE DENSITY INTO THAT AREA AND THAT'S JUST NOT RIGHT. IT'S NOT RIGHT TO THE WHOLE COUNTY. YOU CAN'T BE IN FAVORITISM TO THIS ONE AREA AND THEN OVERBILLED THIS HUNDRED AND $30 MIMILLN N AT $39 MILLION OR $29 MILLION EXPENSE. IT'S NOT RIGHT TO THE COUNTY AT ALL. THE TAXPAYERS THAT HAVE BEEN HERE FOR ALL THIS TIME. IT'S NOT RIGHT AT ALL. YOU KEEP ON APPROVING THINGS AND APPROVING THINGS IN THE INFRASTRUCTURES NOT THERE. IT'S JUST NOT THERE, SIR, AND I REALLY TAKE OFFENSE TO IT IN THE PLANNING BOARD AND THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS KEEP PUTTING MORE IN AND MORE IN AND PEOPLE ARE DYING ON OUR ROADS. WE HAVE A MOTORCYCLIST THAT SHOULD'VE BEEN IN A POLICE CAR THAT DIED FOR NO GOOD REASON. BECAUSE IT'S OVERPOPULATED. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, MR. OTTO. WE ARE GOING ÃARE THERE ANY OTHER FOLKS ÃMR. NAGEL OR NICK THAT ARE READY FOR PUBLIC W WE E E GOG G TOLOLOSEHEHE PUBLIC HEARING NOW AND BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMISSION FOR DISCUSSION. AGAIN, WE GO THROUGH THE ROLL CALL STARTING WITH MR. SOSA >> NO COMMENTS FROM THE >> THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER VAHALLA? >> I CAN APPRECIATE THE CONGESTION IN THE AREA. YOU AREN'T REALLY ÃYOU ARE LIMITING CONSTRUCTION SOMEWHAT PBUT YOU CAN STILL PUT QUITE A BIT UP THERE IN THAT PARCEL. YOU KNOW, THAT WHOLE AREA IT IS BECOMING MORE CONGESTED AND THAT'S JUST KIND OF SPREADING INTO THAT. I CAN APPRECIATE THOSE COMMENTS. THANK YOU. >> ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. >> I TEND TO AGREE THAT ABOUT THE CONGESTION BUT I CERTAINLY AM LOOKING FORWARD TO THOSE COMMENTS AS WELL >> COMMISSIONER PUCKHABER? >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. M SOSOY IFIF TAKE UP A LITTLE T I I S ON T T COMMISSION WHEN THIS USE WAS CREATED. AND AT THE TIME, WE WERE TOLD HOW MUCH WAS NEEDED IN THAT FORM. ALSO, THE REASON THERE WAS A LIMIT ON THE NUMBER OF ACRES WAS TO KEEP IT FROM BECOMING A SHOPPING CENTER. THIS WAS NEVER INTENDED TO BE A USE THAT WOULD BE A SHOPPING CENTER. IT WAS MEANT TO BE AND I QUOTE COMPLEMENT THE RURAL ACTIVITY CENTER IN BRANDON FIELD. IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A SMALLER COMPLEMENT TO THE LARGER ACTIVITY CENTER IN BRANDON FIELD. NOW, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THIS [01:05:02] PARTICULAR PARCEL AT OLD JENNINGS AND TINES BOULEVARD. REMEMBER THIS IS SIMPLY A USE THAT MASTER PLAN AREA. ANYONE ELSE CAN COME IN AND ASK FOR THIS OR ASK FOR LAND-USE CHANGE ELSEWHERE IF IT MEETS THE CONDITIONS. SO THESE CHANGES GET RID OF THE IDEAEAF A A MPMPLENTNTAR ACCESSORY CENTER TO THE MAIN BUSINESS AREA. AND THEY TURN IT INTO A SHOPPING CENTER LIKE YOU WILL FIND ANYWHERE ELSE IN THE COUNTY. I TAKE SOME EXCEPTION WITH THE DOUGHNUT SHOP AT 2900 SQUARE FEET BECAUSE I TOOK THE TIME TO GO AND LOOK AT A COUPLE OF THINGS. A TYPICAL DUNKIN' DONUTS, WHICH IS PROBABLY WHO THIS IS, A TYPICAL ONE, IS20200 2 260 SQUARE FEET. THIS IS 2900 SQUARE FEET. THEY HAVE CLEARLY GONE WITH A NUMBER LARGE ENOUGH TO BUILD JUST ABOUT ANYTHING THEY CAN THINK OF IN THERE. GROCERY STORES. I DON'T THINK THE GROCERY STORE USE, PER SE, IS A BAD IDEA, BUT 55,000 SQUARE FEET AND AN AVERAGE PUBLIX NOT THE LARGEST ONES, THE AVERAGE PUBLIX, GROCERY STORE IS 45,000 SQUARE FEET. THIS IS 55,000. YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT MORE OF A NEIGHBORHOOD KIND OF GROCERY STORE, OKAY? TRADER JOES AND ALL THESE WHICH TEND TO BE MORE IN THAT CACAGORYRYVERARA SIZIZOF TRTRAD JOES IS 12,000 SQUARE FEET. THIS IS A VERY LARGE GROCERY STORE. IF A LARGE DOUGHNUT SHOP. THE WHOLE TEXT, IF YOU READ IT, WAS TO CREATE AN AREA WITH SMALL RETAIL AND SMALL PROFESSIONAL OFFICES, AND I ACRES WAS IN HERE E IGININLY B BE A NURSING HOME OR AN SOSE ADULT CARE FACILITY THAT WAS GOING TO GO IN THERE. SO THIS REALLY SHOULDN'T EVEN BE CALLED A NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER. THIS SHOULD BE CALLED A NEW SHOPPING CENTER. WITH NO PROFESSIONAL OFFICES, NO OTHER USES. YOU'RE JUST GOING TO BUILD A STRIP CENTER OR A VILLAGE OR WHATEVER THEY WANT TO CALL IT, BUT IT'S BASICALLY A STRIP CENTER WITH A BIG GROCERY STORE AND OTHER ALL RETAIL. IT'S GOING TO BE ALL RETAIL WHICH WAS NOT THE INTENTION OF THIS. I DON'T THINK THERE'S A PROBLEM TO A A THTHGROCOCY STORE. I DON'T EVEN THINK THERE'S A PROBLEM TO ADD THE DOUGHNUT SHOP. BUT I THINK THESE SQUARE FOOTAGE IS OUR WAY TOO LARGE, AND IF YOU DON'T LIMIT THE AMOUNT OF ETAIL, YOU ARE NOT GOING TO GET AN ACTIVITY CENTER. YOU ARE GOING TO GET A SHOPPING CENTER. AND THAT'S ALL.'M DONE. THANK YOU. >> ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER ANZALONE? >> NO QUESTIONS, BUT JUST A COMMENT, I GUGUS. I I N'T T OW H H FEFEEL ABOUT T. I KIND OF AGREE WITH BOTH SIDES HERE. THE ONLY THING THAT I SEE IS BY ALLOWING A SHOPPING CENTER TO GO IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA, IT DOES TAKE THE TRAFFIC OFF OF THE MAIN THOROUGHFARE. I MEAN, IT WOULD BECOME MORE OF A NEIGHBORHOOD SITUATION FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE NOW CURRENTLY MAY BE TRAVELING, LANDING, SO AND SO FORTH WOULD TAKE SOME OF THAT TRAFFIC AWAY. SO I'M NOT REALLY SURE ABOUT IT BEING A BAD THING AT THIS POINT IN TIME. >> COMMISSIONER BRIDGMAN? >> I TRIED TO LOOK THIS UP ON THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP FOR BRANAN FIELD AND IDENTIFY WHAT I THOUGHT WAS THE PARCEL THAT WAS AFFECTED BY THIS. I KNOW THIS IS NOT A PARCEL, BUT THE PART OF THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP THAT IS AFFECTED BY THIS, AND MY QUESTION FOR STAFF IS, HOW BIG IS THAT AREA? THE PARCEL THAT WAS AFFECTED BY THIS. I KNOW THIS IS NOT A PARCEL, BUT THE PART OF THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP THAT IS AFFECTED BY THIS, AND MY QUESTION FOR STAFF IS, HOW BIG IS THAT AREA? >> THE WHOLE PARCEL WAS 30 ACRES, BUT THAT AREA, I THINK, IS APPROXIMATELY THE SAME NINE ACRES. >> 9 TO 10 ACRES. THANK YOU. THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO KNOW. THANK YOU. >> ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER GARRISON? >> YEAH. A MAP WOULD HAVE BEEN HELPFUL, JUST FOR FUTURE REFERENCE. BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT, YES, IT'S A TEXT AMENDMENT, BUT IT APPEARS TO BE DIRECTED TOWARDS A SPECIFIC SITE.ND SO I AM JUST CURIOUS IF YOU CAN'T ACHIEVE THE DESIRED GOAL ON PART OF THE [01:10:01] APPLICANT BY ADDRESSING THE SPECIFIC SITE AS OPPOSED TO CHANGING THE COMPREHENSIVE PLPL ANAND MAMAWOULULHAVEVEEEN N RY LPFUFU OKOKAY SOSO TS S IS T TEXT AMENDMENT A NOT A MAP AMENDMENT BUT WE DO ONLY HAVE THE ONE SIDE THE DESIGNATED ROLE NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER. SO THE OTHER SIMILAR LAND-USE BUT NOT QUITE THE SAME AS THE RURAL ACTIVITY CENTER WHICH ACTUALLY ALLOWS QUITE A BIT MORE OUT OF THE CORNER OF OLD JENNINGS ROAD WHICH IT PRESENTLY ONLY HAS A GAS STATION ON IT, BUT IT TURNS OUT IT'S GOT A FAIR AMOUNT OF WETLANDS. BUT WE MAY GET ONE OTHER DOLLAR STORE WE ORIGINALLY DID THINK WE WERE LOOKING FOR SMALLISH STORES AND SO ON. ACTUALLY IN THE SIX YEARS THAT HAVE GONE BY, SHOPPING CENTERS ARE DYING FASTER THAN THEY ARE GROWING. THE ONLY ACRE THAT MAKES A CENTER SUCCESSFUL AT ALL SEEMS TO BE A GROCERY STORE. THIS IS VERY SIMILAR TO THE ONE ÃSIMILAR SHOPPING CENTER THAT I USE IN MY PRIVATE LIFE. OFTEN TIMES, YOU WILL FIND A REAL ESTATE OFFICE, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE OF EATING PLACES, YOU KNOW, MAYBE A HARDWARE STORE. THOSE KINDS OF USES WHICH ARE NEIGHBORHOOD CENTERED TYPE USES. IT'S NOT WHAT WE ORIGINALLY CONCEIVED BUT I THINK THINGS HAVE CHANGED QUITE A BIT SINCE 2013. >> COMMISSIONER GARRISON I WILL ALSO ADD WE HAVE OUR POINT TAKEN AND WILL MAKE SURE WE ITITOESNSN HEHE YOUOUUYS S T BB. I PRPRECTETE I IT KIND OF HELPS IN THE DECISION-MAKING PROCESS. IN TERMS OF SCALE AND THOSE SORTS OF THINGS SURROUNDING PROPERTIES. IT'S A TEXT AMENDMENT BUT IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S TARGETE TOWARDS ONE PARCEL AND THAT'S ALL AND THINKING ABOUT WITH THE MAPS. >> MR. CHAIR? I MAKE A COMMENT? LIKE I SAID, I AM NOT OPPOSED TO THE IDEA OF THE SPIRIT, OPPOSED TO THE SIZES OF PROFESSIONAL OFFICES. YOU MAY HAVE OTHER RETAIL, BUT I WILL TELL YOU ANOTHER THING ABOUT THIS AND UNLESS STAFF CORRECTS ME BECAUSE THIS IS A TEXT AMENDMENT THERE'S NO SIGNAGE ON THIS PROPERTY. THERE IS NOBODY IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WOULD NOTE THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT MAKING A MAJOR CHANGE TO A PARCEL OF LAND UNLESS THEY UNDERSTOOD WHERE STENERS AND ISIS IALALMO L LIKTHTHE BACK DOOR INTO THE ZONING PROCESS. BECAUSE IF THIS IS PASSED IN ITS FORM, THEY CAN GO DOWN AND PULL BUILDING PERMITS AND THE NEIGHBORS ARE GOING TO GO WHAT'S GOING ON? WE NEVER SAW ANY NOTICE OF ANY CHANGE. AND THIS BOTHERS ME AS WELL. >> MR. CHAIRMAN, I TEND TO AGREE WITH RALPH. MY QUESTION IS WHAT'S BEST FOR THTHIGHBORHOOD? NO VOICE IN THIS PART >> OKAY. I WOULD GO BACK AND COURTNEY AM GOING TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT HERE AS OUR COUNTY ATTORNEY. CAN YOU GIVE US SOME GUIDANCE ON THIS, PLEASE COME OUT >> WHAT YOU MEAN WITH RESPECT TO THE SIGNAGE ISSUE OR JUST THE FACT THAT IT'S A TEXT CHANGE FIRST, CAN YOU CONFIRM THERE HAS BEEN NO SIGNAGE Ã THIS IS NOT REQUIRED >> RIGHT. I'M SURE IT WILL CHIME IN THIS IS NOT FOR PARTICULAR PROPERTY TAX CHANGE AND THEY WERE FOCUSED ON IT BEING A PARTICULAR PIECE OF PROPERTY BUT IT'S NOT. IT'S A TEXT CHALLENGE SO THERE IS NOT A REQUIREMENT. >> OKAY. >> MR. CHAIRMAN, THIS IS FRANK MILLER. IF I CAN BE PERMITTED TO RESPOND TO SOME EXTENT >> TYPICALLY, WE DON'T LET THE APPLICANT BUT BECAUSE THIS IS AN UNUSUAL MEETING I WILL ALLOW IT >> FIRST OF ALL, WE SAT WITH COMMISSIONER BOLO SIX OR EIGHT MONTHS AGO AND DISCUSSED THIS OPPORTUNITY WITH HIM AND HE COMMUNICATED TO US IN YOU WILL [01:15:04] DEAL WITH IT AT THE COUNTY COMMISSION MEETING. BUT HE FELT LIKE IN PINE RIDGE WILL BE EXCITED ABOUT A GROCERY STORE A COUPLE OF MILES OF THEIR HOMES. SO WE DID NOT JUST COME OUT OF THE BLUE THE IDEA OF HEY LET'S DO THIS. WE DID A LITTLE BIT OF GROUND WORK. THE SECOND THING I WANT TO POINT OUT IS I THINK THE PUBLIX STORE ON FILE IS ABOUT THE SIZE OF WHAT THIS STORE WOULD BE. IF YOU'VE EVER BEEN TO THE CONEY ISLAND PUBLIX THAT'S ABOUT 55,000 SQUARE-FOOT STORE. SO IT'S NOT A HUGE STORM, BUT IT'S BASICALLY ACCOMMODATES THE TYPE OF PRODUCT THE HIGHER END GROCERY STORES LIKE TO SELL. THANK YOU. THANK YOU MR. MILLER. ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE GONE THROUGH THE COMMISSIONERS FOR COMMENTS >> JUST A QUICK QUESTION. MR. MILLER, IS HE REFERRING TO THE PUBLIX ON HIBERNIA OR IS HE REFERRING TO THE ONE ON FLEMING ISLAND. >> WITH RESPECT TO HIBERNIA I BELIEVE THERE ARE SHOPS AROUND THE CORNER ON THE 17TH SIDE OF THAT PARTICULAR BUBUDINGNG AND D JUSUSDID D A CHAIN NOT LONG AGO AND WE WENT IN AND ACTUALLY CLEANED UP THE VISUALS PART OF THAT. WE COULD CLEAN UP AND I LOOK AT THAT AND THAT'S A PRETTY COMPLEX CENTER AND IT DOES SERVE THAT ENTIRE LITTLE SECTION DOWN THERE. I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT A LOT OF THOSE PEOPLE ARE TRAVELING OUTSIDE OF THERE. TO MY POINT EARLIER THAT I FEEL THAT SOMETETNG S SLL LIKE THTH GOGOG ININ AN N EA L LE THTH WOWOULELIMIMATE E MEME OTHAT OVERFLOW TRAFFIC TICKETS OUT ONTO THE HIGHWAY. MOST PEOPLE HAVE TO GO OTHER PLACES TO DO THEIR BUSINESS. THAT'S MY COMMENT. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU FOR >> A POINT OF CLARIFICATION, PLEASE. I HAVE LOOKED WHILE THEY WERE TALKING HIBERNIA PUBLIX IS 39,000 SQUARE FEET. I JUST LOOKED IT UP. SO IT'S NOT 55,000 SQUARE FEETET ANAND AMAM GOING TO JUST REITERATE ONE MORE TIME AND COURTNEY MAKES A GOOD POINT. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT A TEXT AMENDMENT TO THE COMP PLAN AND THAT'S WHAT I MENTIONED EARLIER WHEN I SAID YOU ARE CREATING AN OPPORTUNITY TO CHANGE A BUNCH OF STUFF IN BRANAN FIELD AS LONG AS IT MAKES THE REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE SET OUT FOR THAT TYPE OF LAND E.E. YOU KNOW, I'M NOT GOING TO SUPPORT THIS BECAUSE I DON'T LIKE THE SIZES AND WHAT IT'S DOING. I ALSO VERY MUCH DON'T LIKE THE FACT THAT THIS IS KIND OF A BACKDOOR PROCESS TO GET THIS PARCEL CHANGED. YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANT TO BUILD A SHOPPING CENTER, THERE SHOULD HAVE BEEN SOME WAY WE COULD NOTIFY THE PUBLIC, THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATIONS AROUND OR SOMETHIG TO SAY WE HAVE CHANGED PLANS ON WHAT WE ARE DOING WITH THIS PARCEL. SO I KNOW WHERE YOU GUYS ARE HEADED, BUT I THINK YOU ARE DOING A DISSERVICE TO THE PUBLIC. >> ALL RIGHT TO >> IS THAT MR. FOCI FOR >> IT IS. I DON'THAVE A BONUS BUT I DO WANT TO SAY THE TRAFFIC COMING DOWN TIME IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THE ATTORNEY HAS MENTIONED TWICE A DAY IT'S BLOCKED PRETTY HEAVILY WE ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE LOOKING AT THAT SPECIFIC BUT PTHAT'S ALL I SEE IS I GET PLENTY OF COMPLAINTS ABOUT THE ROAD BLOCKAGE IN THE MORNINGS IN THE AFTERNOON WERE MOST OF THESE FOLKS ARE COMING FROM IF YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT THESE TWO CREEKS AND PINE RIDGE. IT IS ONLY A 2 LANE RD. THAT LEADS INTO THE AIR, AND MOST OF THE TIME NOT A PROBLEM BUT TWO TIMES A DAY THERE WILL BE AN ISSUE. >> ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. >> MR. CHAIR IF I MAY. I HAVE A QUESTION.JUST FOR MY OWN EDIFICATION ASSEMBLY DIRECTLY. [01:20:03] I PULLED UP GOOGLE MAPS. WHERE IS THIS PARCEL IN QUESTION?IGH-RISE IS A TEXT AMENDMENT BUT IT'S SPECIFICALLY DIRECTED TOWARDS A CERTAIN PARCEL >> NORTHEAST CENTS HERE. ONE, I WAS GLAD TO HEAR THAT COMMISSIONER BOLO IS SUPPORTING US. IF HE SEES A NEED IN THAT AREA FOR HIS CONSTITUENTS FOR A COFFEE SHOP OR A GROCERY STORE, THEN THAT CERTAINLY IS HIS NEW HOUSE AND THERE ARE SOME CONCERNS HERE FROM A SIZING STANDPOINT BUT BEING ABLE TO REDUCE THE DRIVE OF THE FAMILIES HAVE TO MAKE TO THESE NECESSARY RESOURCES IS SOMETHING THAT OBVIOUSLY I WOULD SUPPORT IN THIS CASE I THINK THIS ADDS VALUE TO THOSE COMMUNITIES. SO THIS IS SOMETHING I AM SUPPORTING. ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS EITHER FOR STAFF OR FOR DISCUSSION? OKAY. HEARING THEM, WE WILL GO THROUGH ROLE AND FIRST WE NEED A MOTION. >> I MAKE A MOTION TO MOVE IT FORWARD. >> WE HAVE A FIRST. >> DO WE HAVE A SECOND? ALL RIGHT AS HAS BEEN, I GUESS MAYBE OUR NEW PRACTICE I WILL TURN IT OVER TO THE VICE CHAIR AND I WILL SECOND THIS MOTION FOR DISCUSSION. >> ALL RIGHT. DO I HAVE A SECOND THE MOTION? >>>> I AM GOING TO SUCK IT >> IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS FROM ANYONE? ALL RIGHT WE WILL GO THROUGH THE ROLL CALL. I GOT THE PICTURES SO I HAVE TO KIND OF FOLLOW IN MY MIND. DENSITY SO THE SCHOOL BOARD DOES NOT VOTE. WITH THAT THEY MOTION FAILS. I WOULD LIKE TO ASK COURTNEY FOR CLARIFICATION. DO WE NEED A MOTION TO [Old Business/New Business] RECOMMEND DENIAL OR IS THE FAILURE OF THE MISSION ADEQUAUA? I ININK 'S'S EQEQTETE JT T TO HAVE THE DENIAL OF THE MOTION TO MOVE FORWARD. IT WOULD JUST BE FAILED WHEN IT GOES IN FRONT OF THE BOARD. >> WITH THAT I WOULD TURN THE MEETING OVER TO THE CHAIR. >> THANK YOU PARAGRAPH? SUPERBLY DONE AS ALWAYS. THUS OUR LAST AGENDA ITEM. IS THERE ANY OLD BUSINESS OR NEW BUSINESS AT THIS TIME? THE ONLY NEW BUSINESS I WOULD LIKE TO ADD IS I HOPE EVERYBODY HAD AND IS GOININTO HAVE E AWAWESOME NCNCO DE MAYO. >> WE ALREADY MISS MAY 4 BE WITH YOU. >> MR. CHAIR, MAY I MAKE A COMMENT? >> YES. THE COMMISSION, OUR INTEREST - AND DESIRE TO HAVE TRAINING I'VE BEEN IN TOUCH WITH MR. LEHMAN. THERE WAS A GOOD PLANNING ASSOCIATION HAD TRAINING SCHEDULED IN ST. AUGUSTINE COMING UP THAT I UNDERSTOOD HAS BEEN CANCELED DUE TO THE COVID-19 SITUATION. SO MY COMMENT I GUESS THIS IS SORT OF OLD BUSINESS BECAUSE WE TALKED ABOUT IT. MY COMMENT IS I JUST WANT TO KEEP THOSE IN FRONT OF THE COMMISSION AND THIS OBVIOUSLY IS NOT A GOOD TIME TO BE SCHEDULING TRAINING EVENTS, BUT I WANT US TO REMEMBER THIS IS THE DESIRE OF THIS COMMISSION, A NUMBER OF US TO HAVE THIS TRAINING AND HOPEFULLY THE TIME WILL COME WHEN IT IS SAFE FOR USUSO DODOO ORORERHAPS I IT ULU. STRONGLY URGE THE STAFF TO LOOK FOR A WAY FOR US TO HAVE A DESIRE AND THANK YOU. [01:25:06] >> I WOULD LIKE TO ADD THAT RECENTLY TWO WEEKS AGO THE ROTARY THE DISTRICT ASSEMBLY VIRTUALLY AND IT WAS WELL DONE AND WE 100 SOME FORMAT THAT CAME IN AND SOME FORMAT. WE HAD 180 Ã67 OR 87 PEOPLE. >> STEREO GO. >> WE MIGHT DO THAT FOR THE VIRTUAL MEETING AND WE MIGHT HAVE IT IN PERSON IN TERMS OF PEOPLE'S SCHEDULES BECAUSE YOU SAVE YOUR TRAVEL TIME OR ANY OTHER LOGISTICAL ISSUES AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO PAY TRAVEL EXPENSES FOR YOUR SPEAKERS. HOPEFULLY WE CAN DO THAT. MANY AUTHORITIES WANT TO KEEP IT BEFORE THE COMMISSION. >> YOU KNOW WHAT? THE OTHER THING THAT WAS GOOD ABOUT IT WAS THEY RAN IT OVER TWO DAYS AND REPEATED IT. IF YOU COULDN'T MAKE IT ON A FRIDAY AND YOU HAVE THE OPTION >> I AM HERE ON PUBLIC COMMENT >> IT'S NOT PUBLIC, IT, RIGHT NOW. PLEASE MEET YOUR PHONE UNTIL WE ARE DONE. >> MR. CHAIR, TO GO'S POINT, MARY. I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THIS PLATFORM, I'M SURE IT DOES BUT I KNOW SOME OF THE OTHER VIRTUAL FORMS YOU HAVE THE CAPABILITY TO RECORD, SO YOU COULD HAVE A TRAINING SESSION A VIRTUAL TRAINING SESSION AND RECORD IT AND IF SOMEONE EITHER MISSED OR MISSED PART OF IT, THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO PLAY BACK THE RECORDING. AND WATCH WHAT THEY MISSED. AS WELL, I THINK THIS TECHNOLOGY THAT WE HAVE HAD TO EMPLOY BECAUSE OF THE PANDEMIC IS AWAKENING US TO HOW USEFUL THIS CAN BE AS WE MOVE FORWARD. AND SO I THINK MY COLLEAGUES HAVE ARTICULATED VERY CLEARLY WHY THIS MIGHT BE A GOOD SOLUTION FOR US. >> EXCELLENT DISCUSSION.NY OTHER NEW OR OLD BUSINESS? FOR THE BETTERMENT OF THE GROUP?>> JUST ONE THING THAT I WOULD LIKE TO REMIND THE COMMISSIONERS IS IN CONNECTION WITH THE POTENTIAL FOR VIRTUAL TRAINING, OBVIOUSLY WE ARE SUBJECT TO T T G GOVNOR R ALWIWING TT.T. ONCE THE GOVERNOR FAILS TO EXTEND HIS EXECUTIVE ORDER ALLOWING FOR THE VIRTUAL MEETINGS, WE CANNOT HAVE VIRTUAL MEETINGS. SO WE WILL HAE TO GO BACK T OUR REGULAR BOARD MEETINGS. >> A QUICK QUESTION. TO COURTNEY. DOES THAT APPLY FOR SOMETHING LIKE A TRAINING SESSION? IS THAT BECAUSE ÃIT WOULDN'T BE A FORMAL MEETING. PYOU MIGHT CALL IT A WORKSHOP. IT WOULD NOT BE A BUSINESS MEETING OR THE COMMISSION. BUT THAT STILL APPLY? >> YES. I BELIEVE IT'S STILL WET UNLESS HE ALLOWS YOU TO DO IT VIA THE CMT TECHNOLOGY WHICH WITH THIS THERE MIGHT ULTIMATELY BE A CHANGE THAT THE LEGISLATURE MAKES TO ALLOW MORE OF THE TECHNOLOGY MEANS BUT AT THIS TIME, I THINK WE WOULD HAVE TO DO IT IN PERSON. YOU ÃAS LONG AS YOU HAD A QUORUM. IF YOU HAD A QUORUM, YOU COULD HAVE OTHER COMMISSIONERS THAT MIGHT COULD PHONE HIM. >> MY QUESTION WAS MORE TO THE FACT I KNOW FOR A BUSINESS MEETING LIKE WE ARE HAVING NOW THAT IT'S KIND OF AN EXCEPTION. FOR TRAINING WHICH IS IN NOT ACTUALLY MET BECAUSE WE'VE DONE THIS IN THE PAST WHERE WE HAVE GONE SOMEWHERE IN DIFFERENT LOCATIONS AROUND THE COUNTY. IT'S LIKE GOING TO A SCHOOL. IT'S A TRAINING CLASS. ÃIT HAS TO BE NOTICED BECAUSE THERE WAS NO BUSINESS BEING CONDUCTED. WHO DID OPEN IT TO THE PUBLIC. >> I THINK IT'S GOING TO DEPEND [Public Comment] ON HOW YOU CLASSIFY IT. IF YOU ARE ALL GOING TO A CONFERENCE THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING DIFFERENT. IF YOU ARE HOSTING SOMETHING WHERE YOU'RE HAVING A SPEAKER, AND I THINK IT WOULD BE HARD FOR US TO THEN CLASSIFY IT AS A CONFERENCE BECAUSE I STILL THINK IT WOULD BE SOMEWHAT LIKE A WORKSHOP THAT YOU WOULD TO ALLOW THE PUBLIC TO ATTEND. >> OKAY. I WILL JUST LET IT GO THERERE. WE DON'T KNOW WHERE WE ARE GOING IN THE NEXT FEW MONTHS ANYWAY. THANK YOU. [01:30:06] >> EXCELLENT. WE ARE GOING TO OPEN UP OUR LAST PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD. AND TROY OR NICK, DO WE HAVE ANYBODY >> THE ONLY PERSON WE HAVE IS MR. OTTO. >> EXCELLENT.HANK YOU. [INDISCERNIBLE] >> MR. OTTO, GO AHEAD >> YES, SIR. JAMES OTTO. CLAYTON COUNTY FLORIDA HOTELS. I DEFINITELY AGREE THERE'S A LOT OF BACKDOOR STUFF GOING ON RIGHT NOW ESPECIALLY WROTE THIS $130 MILLION BOND THEY ARE TRYING TO DO AND THAT NEEDS TO GO ON THE BOAT FOR THE CITIZENS TO VOTE ON NOT BY COMMISSIONERS. AND THREE OF THEM AREN'T LEAVING ANYWAY. YOU ARE DUMPING ALL OF THIS INTO SOMEBODY ELSE'S HANDS AND YOU KNOW, THIS IS A DIFFERENT KIKINDF F MEETING, SO HOPEFULLY YOU WILL BEAR WITH ME, BUT YOU KNOW, THESE ROLES ARE WAY OUT OF LINE IN A LOCKED OF AREAS AND I REALLY APPRECIATE MR. PUCKHABER AND HIS COMMENTS, STANDING UP FOR THE OVERPOPULATION IN THE AREAS YOU WILL RECALL AND WHAT THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING AND THEY ENDED UP DOING AND THERE IS WALMART ON 220 ANYWAY, A GROCERY STORE RIGHT THERE. THE ADMIN BUILDING, I WOULD LIKE TO MAYBE COMMENT ABOUT THAT. IT LOOKS HORRIBLE. SOMEBODY SAID IT LOOKS GREAT EARLIER TODAY. THOSE BEAUTIFUL TREES. HOW CAN YOU REPLACE THEM? THERE'S OTHER ALTERNATIVES TO DEALING WITH THOSE TREES AND THEY COULD HAVE BEEN DONE WITH THE RIGHT HORTICULTURIST. SO I WANT TO NOT BE COMMISSIONERS. THEY SHOULD BE MAKING IT AND THEY SHOULD BE ACTING LIKE RONALD REAGAN AND WEARING BUSINESS SUITS AS A DISRESPECT WITH SOME OF THESE ÃTHEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO THE VIRTUAL PUBLIC COMMENTS SO THEREFORE MORE OF THE PUBLIC IN GENERAL. THE CITIZENS ALREADY VOTED DOWN FIELD OF DREAMS WHERE THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS PAYING PEOPLE $50,000 TO TRY AND DO ANOTHER FIELD OF DREAMS IN CLAY COUNTY? WE WANT SIDEWALKS. WE WANT FIGHTING ON OUR STREET SO OUR KIDS ARE IN THE MIDDLE Ã AT THE POPEYES RESTAURANT. THAT'S WHAT WE WANT. WE DON'T WANT ELECTRIC PAIN FOR CAMPERS FAIRGROUND FOR THE PEOPLE IN CLAY COUNTY. WE WANT THE SAFETY OF OUR ROADS WHICH IS OUR PRIMARY JOB. NOT PUTTING IN FOOTBALL FIELDS AND THAT'S NOT WHAT THE COUNTY COMMISSIONER DID AND WE ISSUED THE PARK PLAN AND PUTTING THE TRAILS FOR THE BIKES AND THE WALKERS TO GET THEM OFF THE ROAD THAT'S A GOOD THING AND THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO DO. WE NEED TO THINK BETTER INSTEAD OF WORSE.UNNING OUR KIDS INTO EACH OTHER IS NOT A GOOD IDEA. >> MR. OTTO, YOUR THREE MINUTE ÃTHANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS. WE APPRECIATE VENTURES >> COMMISSIONER, BEFORE YOU ADJOJON THTHMEMEING,G, WDODO HE A COUPLE OF OTHER MEMBERS THAT HAVE DIAL IN. SO WILL YOU JUST SEE IF PERHAPS THEY ARE INTERESTED IN PUBLIC, AND IF SO, THEY JUST NEED ÃI BELIEVE IT'S DIALÁSIX TO UNMUTE. >> ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU. WE WILL SIT TIGHT.TROY IF YOU LET ME KNOW WHEN THEY CALL IN. >> SIR, THEY ARE UP IT'S A MATTER OF WHETHER THEY WANT TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT >> ARE THERE ANY OTHERS THAT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT AT THIS TIME? >> OKAY. THANK YOU FOR PROVIDING THEM THE OPPORTUNITY >> THANK YOU. I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE A SECOND BEFORE WE ADJOURN AND I WANT TO THANK OUR STAFF, SPECIFICALLY NICK AND TROY, OUR IT FOR THE COUNTY HAVE DONE A GREAT JOB MAKING SURE THAT WE WERE ALL ABLE TO GET UP AND CONDUCT THIS MEETING PRPROPATELELY. CERTNLNLFOR R THE STAFF TO GO THROUGH THE PROCEDURE IN THIS [01:35:03] NEW SETTING SO I WANT TO TAKE A SECOND AND THINK THE STAFF FOR AN EXCELLENT JOB IN CHANGING COURSE AND GETTING US INTO THIS NEW NORM. SO THANK YOU FOR THAT AND UNLESS THERE ARE ANY OTHER COMMENTS WE ARE READY TO ADJOURN THE MEETING. ALL RIGHT. YOU ALL STAY SAFE. HAPPY CINCO DE MAYO AND HOPEFULLY WE WILL SEE EACH OTHER IN 30 DAYS. THE MEETING IS ADJOURNED * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.