Mar 03, 2020 Planning Commission

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>> WE WILL CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER. GOOD EVENING ON SUPER TUESDAY.

WELCOME TO THE CLAY COUNTY PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING ON MARCH 3.

AT THIS TIME, PLEASE SILENCE YOUR CELL PHONES. IF YOU NEED TO MAKE OR TAKE A

[Pledge of Allegiance]

AT THIS TIME I WOULD ASK COMMISSIONER BRIDGMAN IF HE WOULD LEAD US IN THE PLEDGE OF

ALLEGIANCE. >> I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER

GOD, INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. >> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER.

COMMISSIONER GARRISON WILL BE ALONG MOMENTARILY. HE GOT STUCK IN A CAR ACCIDENT AND CONTACTED US AND HE IS EN ROUTE. I AM GOING TO START ÃHE WAS NOT PART OF THE ACCIDENT.

HE WAS WELL BEHIND IT. I'M GOING TO START WITH INTRODUCTIONS.

I AM MICHAEL BOURRE I'M THE CHAIRMAN. STARTING FROM YOUR LEFT AND RIGHT IS KELLIE COLLINS ERROR REPORTING SECRETARY. JIM FOSSA WHO IS OUR SCHOOL BOARD REPRESENTATIVE. COMMISSIONER ROBERT MACHALA. VICE CHAIRMAN RALPH PUCKHABER, COMMISSIONER JOE ANZALONE, COMMISSIONER MARY BRIDGMAN, COMMISSIONER BO NORTON, THE CLAY COUNTY PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSIONER ED LEHMAN. OUR COUNTY ATTORNEY COURTNEY WE ALSO HAVE OUR COUNTY MANAGER HOWARD WARNER BAKER. ALL RIGHT.

AND I THINK CHEREESE IS HERE BUT SHE IS ON HER WAY. I THINK I ALSO MISSED THE CLAY COUNTY PLANNING AND ZONING DIRECTOR ED LEHMAN. I APOLOGIZE.

IT'S BEEN A LONG DAY. MY APOLOGIES. OKAY.

THE CLAY COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION IS AN ADVISORY BOARD TO THE CLAY COUNTY BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS. THE DECISIONS MADE BY THIS BOARD ARE ONLY RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE BCC. THEY WILL HAVE THE FINAL SAY AT THE MEETING ON 24 MARCH.

IF THERE ARE ANY SPECIFIC ITEMS ON THE AGENDA YOU WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON PLEASE FILL OUT A COMMENT CARD THAT IS LOCATED IN THE REAR VESTIBULE. THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD AT THE BEGINNING AND END OF THIS MEETING FOR ANYTHING YOU WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ABOUT OTHER THAN ITEMS THAT ARE ON THE PUBLIC HEARING AGENDA FOR THIS MEETING.OU WILL HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK. WHEN THE RED LIGHT GOES ON, YOUR TIME HAS EXPIRED.

ALL RIGHT. WE ARE GOING TO MOVE INTO THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES.

[1.  Approval of Minutes]

LOOKING FOR AN APPROVAL OF THE FEBRUARY 4 >> MOVED TO APPROVE >> THE

SECOND >> MAY HAVE A FIRST AND A SECOND.

ANY DISCUSSION? THANK YOU. WE ARE GOING TO OPEN UP THE FIRST PUBLIC COMMENT.

SEEING NOBODY COMING UP, WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT. SO I DEBATED ON WHETHER TO MOVE THIS TO THE END OF THE MEETING OR DO IT NOW. BUT BECAUSE THERE HAS BEEN SO MUCH TIME IN THIS ROOM WITH US, BELINDA, WE ARE GOING TO MOVE THIS TO THE NEXT ORDER ÃTHE NEXT ITEM ON THE ORDER. SO IF WE COULD, WE ARE GOING TO TAKE A MOMENT AND WE ARE GOING TO THINK BELINDA JOHNSON FOR ALL OF THE YEARS OF SERVICE THAT SHE HAS PROVIDED TO THIS COMMISSION. BELINDA, YOU HAVE SERVED FROM 1997 UNTIL 2019.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ALL OF YOUR HARD WORK AND DEDICATION. KELLY, ARE WE GOING TO HAVE A PICTURE IN THE FRONT? SO IF WE COULD HAVE ALL OF THE COMMISSIONERS, AND LET'S JUST

GATHER IN THE FRONT. >> I ALSO WANTED TO TAKE A MINUTE AND THANKED OFFICER

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[1.  Public Hearing to Amend the Land Development Code to Add Planning Commission and Board Approval Requirement for Certain Conditional Uses]

IS THIS YOURS? >> I WOULD ASSUME IT'S MINE >> IT WAS A GOOD ASSUMPTION.

>> VERY SAFE. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT LOOKS A LITTLE MORE COMPLICATED THAN IT IS, BUT BY THE SAME TOKEN, IT REALLY DOES CHANGE THE WAY THE COUNTY LOOKS AT CONDITIONAL USES. FOR YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS NOW, CONDITIONAL USES HAVE BEEN ÃTHEY ARE IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, THE ZONING DISTRICT IN WHICH THEY ARE ALLOWED IS ALSO INCLUDED, AND THERE ARE CONDITIONS LISTED UNDER EACH CONDITIONAL USE.

AS LONG AS YOU MEET THOSE CONDITIONS, THEY CAN DEVELOP THE CONDITIONAL USE.

THAT'S ALL THEY HAVE TO DO. THEY DON'T NEED ANY OTHER THING BUT STAFF APPROVAL.

AS WE NOTE HERE, WE RECENTLY ADDED LANGUAGE TO SECTION 305 OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE IT STATES THAT CERTAIN CONDITIONAL USES WILL REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS AND APPROVAL BY THE BOARD.

HOWEVER, AT THE TIME THE LANGUAGE WAS PUT IN THOSE USES WERE NOT IDENTIFIED.

SO WE PUT THAT LANGUAGE IN, BUT WE DIDN'T IDENTIFY THE USES. THE PURPOSE OF THIS IS TO IDENTIFY THOSE USES BUDGET REQUIRED THESE TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS.

AGAIN, THESE SPECIAL USES OR CONDITIONAL USES ARE MUCH LIKE ZONING CHANGES.

YOU WILL DETERMINE WHETHER IT IS COMPATIBLE, WHETHER IT CAUSES ÃNOT COMPATIBLE WITH THE NEIGHBORING DISTRICT AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO IT'S MUCH LIKE A ZONING CHANGE BUT REQUIRE ÃTHE LANGUAGE PROPOSED BY THE CHANGES ARE DEDUCTED.

WE ARE NOT ADDING NEW LANGUAGE, WITHOUT THIS LANGUAGE FOR ABOUT 10 YEARS.

THIS REQUIREMENT. WE ARE JUST ADDING OTHER USES WE THINK SHOULD BE ADDRESSED.

MANY, IF NOT MOST LOCAL GOVERNMENTS IN FLORIDA REQUIRED CONDITIONAL USES OR SPECIAL EXCEPTION IS FOR EXAMPLE ST. JOHNS COUNTY IDENTIFIES SOME OF OUR CONDITIONAL USES AS SPECIAL USES. WHICH NEED APPROVAL BY THE PLANNING AND ZONING AGENCY.

SPECIAL USES THAT ARE DETERMINED TO BE INCOMPATIBLE WITH SURROUNDING USES FOR DETERMINED SUBSTANTIAL DETRIMENTAL IMPACT TO SURROUNDING USES MAY BE DENIED.

SO WE'RE KIND OF COPYING THE JONES COUNTY. LIKE I SAID, THIS IS NOT THE LANGUAGE BUT THIS HAS BEEN IN OUR LAND MALIK HOOKER ABOUT SIX MONTHS.

I'M NOT GOING TO GO OVER ALL OF THESE, BUT THESE ARE THE USES THAT WE RECOMMEND WOULD REQUIRE SPECIAL VARIANCE. THERE WILL BE SOME DISCUSSION SHOULD BE AT MORE MONTHS AWAY.

MOST OF THESE USES, WE ARE NEVER GOING TO SEE. WE PROBABLY ARE GOING TO SEE IT

NECESSARILY. >> I DON'T REALLY WANT TO INTERRUPT, BUT BEFORE WE LOOK AT THESE, CAN YOU KIND OF GIVE US AN IDEA HOW YOU GUYS KIND OF FIGURED OUT WHETHER THEY SHOULD BE ÃCHAT AND I SAT DOWN. WE WENT OVER HQ AND FIGURED OUT HOW IT WOULD ADDRESSED IN THE CONDITIONAL USES WHAT USES WE HAD PROBLEMS AND MORE OR LESS NECKLACE OUT OF THAT.

CAN'T BE HERE. HE'S STILL RECOVERING FROM HIS OPERATION.

BUT THESE ARE THE ONES WE DETERMINED. SHOULD BE REQUIRED ADDITIONAL STUDY. THAT DOES NOT MEAN THERE ARE NOT SOME THAT WE EXPLOITED THAT SHOULD NOT BE ADDED. WE RECOGNIZE THAT. THIS IS JUST A STAFF EFFORT TO IDENTIFY THOSE THAT WE THOUGHT WOULD POTENTIALLY HAVE THE MOST INCOMPATIBILITY WITH THE

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SO WE THINK THIS IS A BETTER WAY TO ADDRESS SOME CONDITIONAL USES.

SOME ARE OBVIOUS NOT TO BE INCLUDED. SWIMMING POOLS.

WE SEE NO REASON WHY THE BOARD NEEDS TO APPROVE A SWIMMING POOL.CCESSORY USES, THINGS LIKE THAT. OTHERS COULD GO EITHER WAY. WE RECOGNIZE THAT, YOU KNOW, JACK HAD SAID THAT HE THOUGHT SHOULD BE TAKEN OUT AND A DIPLOMA BASED ON HIS RECOMMENDATION. AND SO HE THOUGHT WE SHOULD ADD AND I ADDED THOSE.

BUT THOSE ARE THE USES. AGAIN, I'M NOT SAYING THESE ARE ALL INCLUSIVE.

I THINK THEORETICALLY, THIS COULD LENGTHEN SOME OF OUR MEETINGS IF WE DO GET APPLICATIONS FOR THIS. THIS GIVES THE PLANNING COMMISSION MORE RESPONSIBILITY THAN COMP PLAN AMENDMENTS AND ZONING CHANGES. THIS IS A DIFFERENT AVENUE WE ARE TAKING NOW. BUT BY THE SAME TOKEN, IT'S PRETTY CONSISTENT ACROSS THE STATE THAT THERE ARE SOME USES THAT REQUIRE ADDITIONAL BESIDES JUST MEETING THE CONDITIONS.

AGAIN, THE ONES WE GET INTO, I'M NOT GOING TO BORE YOU WITH. OUR ANIMAL CLINIC, ANIMAL CONTROL FACILITIES, ARCADE AMUSEMENT CENTER, BMX TRACK, BORROW PITS, WHICH IS EXCEPTIONALLY CONTROVERSIAL, BOILER HOUSES, CAMPGROUNDS, RECREATIONAL PART, COMMERCIAL KENNELS, CORRECTIONAL FACILITY, ELECTRONIC GAMES PROMOTION CENTER, FLEA MARKETS, TELEPORTS AND ALL PAST, LAND APPLICATION OF DOMESTIC SEPTAGE, LAND CLEARING DEBRIS DISPOSAL FACILITY WHICH IRONICALLY WE JUST REVIEWED AN APPLICATION FOR TODAY.

MOTOCROSS MOTORIZED, BUT BLOGGING AND A CUT ALREADY REQUIRED, AGAIN THAT'S THE ONLY USE WE HAVE IN THE COUNTY THAT REQUIRES THIS TYPE OF REVIEW. AFTER DRIVING THEATERS, PRIVATE ARENAS, AND AUDITORIUMS. ECREATIONAL FACILITIES. THOSE THAT ARE PRIVATELY OWNED.

RETREAT CENTERS, TRANSIENT SANITARY LANDFILLS AND YOUTH CAMPS.

AND AGAIN, THAT'S ABOUT 40 PERCENT OF THE TOTAL NUMBER OF CONDITIONAL USES AND WE THINK REQUIRE THAT EXTRA REVIEW. I DID INCLUDE IN THE POWERPOINT ARE THE ONES THAT WE EXCLUDED, AND THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT WE ARE KIND OF OPENING UP FOR QUESTIONS.

DO WE NEED THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO REVIEW RECREATIONAL VIRGINS? PROBABLY NOT. THERE'S A MAXIMUM OF 4, NO ROOSTERS.

THESE ARE THINGS THAT ARE PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD AT STANDARD.

CERTAINLY, THERE ARE OTHERS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT OR QUESTION WHY THEY ARE NOT INCLUDED EMMA, I WILL STOP AND ANSWER QUESTIONS ABOUT THE PROCESS, ABOUT HOW THE REVIEW CONDITIONAL USES NOW OR HOW WE PROPOSE TO REVIEW THEM AND THE USES AND WHY WE INCLUDED THEM

OR WHAT WE DID INCLUDE THEM. >> THANK YOU. THAT WAS AN INTERESTING PRESENTATION. I THINK THEY'RE GOING TO START WITH YOU.

>> ON THE CONDITIONAL USES THAT WE DO NOT NEED CLEANING COMMISSION APPROVAL, WE HAVE INDOOR SHOOTING RANGES I DON'T SEE AFTER SHOOTING RANGES ON HERE.UT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD NEED TO CONSIDER PUTTING UP ON THE TOP FOR CONDITIONAL USE?

>> TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, THAT PROBABLY WAS A TITLE BY ME BECAUSE WE RECOMMENDED OUTSIDE SHOOTING RANGES ARE RECOMMENDED BEING REVIEWED SO WE CAN MAKE THAT CHANGE.

I THINK I FORGOT WHAT I WAS TYPING MANAGE. SOMEBODY JUST DOESN'T DECIDE TO

OPEN UP RIGHT BEHIND Ã >> THAT'S DEFINITELY WHAT WE HAVE O ADDRESS.

>> ISN'T THERE A STATE LAW THAT LETS YOU SHOOT IN YOUR OWN PROPERTY

>> BUT AFTER SHOOTING RANGE WOULD BE ONE WHERE IT'S OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.

>> OKAY. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? >> I HAVE A COUPLE.

WHAT IS PAID BOILER HOUSE? >> IT'S LIKE CHICKEN ÃI WILL LOOK IT UP.

[INDISCERNIBLE] >> IT'S COMMERCIALLY RAISING CHICKENS

>> THE RAISING OF FOUL AND MASS PRODUCTION EGG LAYING. >> TYPICALLY 500 HOUSES THAT HAVE ABOUT 18,000 BIRDS IN THEM. IT HOLDS THEM FOR 6 TO 8 WEEKS

AND THEN YOU GO TO PUBLIC TO PURCHASE IT. >> SO A RELATED QUESTION, AGRICULTURE, COMMERCIAL DOWN BELOW. WHAT ÃWOULD THAT INCLUDE CHICKEN BROILER HOUSES? I GUESS IF YOU HAVE A CATEGORY FOR BROILER HOUSES BUT WHAT

WOULD AGRICULTURE COMMERCIAL INCLUDE? >> I WAS ACTUALLY GOING TO ASK

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ABOUT THAT ONE AS WELL BECAUSE IT'S BIRD RAISING. >> IT'S THE RAISING OF EXOTIC

BIRDS.>> SAID WAS LIMITED TO EXOTIC? >> YES

>> BUT I WAS A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT IT BEING ON THE DO NOT HAVE TO OBTAIN.

I MEAN, I HAVE OWNED EXOTIC BIRDS MY WHOLE ADULT LIFE, AND I WILL TELL YOU, I HAVE BEEN TO BREEDING FACILITIES. THEY ARE NOISY. AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT ANIMAL CLINICS, ANIMAL CONTROL, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS, I THINK THAT AGRICULTURE HOBBYIST LEVEL SHOULD NOT REQUIRE IT. THAT'S JUST LIKE A BARKING DOG NEXT DOOR OR SOMETHING.

BUT AT COMMERCIAL LEVEL, THOSE CAN BE PRETTY LARGE BREEDING FACILITIES AND THEY CERTAINLY NEED TO BE ÃUNLESS YOU HAVE A BUNCH OF CARROTS SCREAM YOU HAVEN'T HEARD LOUD.

>> WHAT KIND OF EXOTIC BIRDS ARE YOU RAISING >> I DON'T RAISE THEM BUT I'VE BEEN TO THE FACILITIES. BUT I FOUND MACAWS AND COCKATOOS AND OTHER BIRDS, AND

WHEN THEY DECIDE TO GET NOISY, THEY MAKE A LOT OF NOISE. >> PEACOCKS MAKE A LOT OF

NOISE. >> PEACOCKS ARE ANOTHER ONE. IT WAS JUST A COMMERCIAL LEVEL THAT I BOUGHT FOR THE NOISE, BECAUSE A LOT OF THESE APPEAR REQUIRE REVIEW SEEM TO BE THINGS THAT CAN BE REALLY OBTRUSIVE TO NEIGHBORS AT A DISTANCE.

>> THAT'S KIND OF THE PROJECT WE USED >> SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WAS LOOKING AT WAS ONE IN PARTICULAR. AND THEN THERE WERE SOME

OTHERS. >> WE WILL GO BACK TO THEM THE OTHER ÃSO NOT TO BELABOR THE CHICKEN ISSUE, BUT WHAT ABOUT Ã WHAT WOULD YOU CONSIDER A FACILITY WHERE YOU HAVE

CHICKENS THAT ARE LAYING? >> CHICKENS ARE WHAT? >> THAT ARE BEING RAISED FOR THE EGGS. THAT IS ALSO A BOILER HOUSE. OKAY.

SO IT'S ALL COVERED UNDER THAT. AND THE REASON I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT THE AGRICULTURE IS I WANTED TO MAKE SURE IT DID NOT INCLUDE THOSE USES, WHICH WOULD BE ÃSO WHAT I'M UNDERSTANDING

IS THEY ARE INCLUDED Ã >> THE DEFINITION OF AGRICULTURE IS THE RAISING, BREEDING, AND OR SELLING OF EXOTIC BIRDS EXCLUDING POULTRY. > OKAY.

THAT WAS MY QUESTION. THANK YOU. PTHAT'S ALL I HAVE.

>> THIS MAN. THANK YOU. >> I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION.

I KNOW WE TALKED EARLIER ABOUT THE MICROWAVE TOWERS AND ALL THAT AND THOSE ARE COVERED

UNDER OTHER AREAS, RIGHT? >> THEY HAVE THEIR OWN SECTION. SECTION 346 HOUSE.

SPECIFIC AND QUITE DETAILED RECOMMENDATIONS ON THIS >> ONE MORE.

I WAS THINKING ABOUT NOISE WAS ROCK CRUSHING 10. IF YOU ARE LIVING NEXT TO A VULCAN THAT CAN BE PRETTY LOUD. SO IS THAT SOMETHING THAT SHOULD REQUIRE ADDITIONAL

SCREENING? >> WE CAN CERTAINLY CONSIDER THAT AN EMOTION.

>> OKAY. >> MR. CHAIRMAN, THANK YOU. YOU GUYS GAVE ME GREAT SEGUES.

AND I DON'T ÃI KNOW THAT CONDITIONAL USES ARE BASED ON THE ZONING, OBVIOUSLY.

THE ROCK CRUSHING WOULD BE IN SOMEPLACE COMPATIBLE WITH IT. I GUESS I'M JUST ASKING AND UNDERSTANDING THAT EVERYBODY COULD HAVE A PROBLEM WITH ANYTHING.

DID YOU USE ANY HISTORIC PERSPECTIVE ON THINGS THAT PEOPLE FOUND OBJECTIONABLE? YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT CONDITIONAL USES, SO THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT I THINK PEOPLE WOULD JUST AUTOMATICALLY HAVE AN INTEREST IN, BUT DID YOU USE ANYTHING Ã

>> THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. THAT'S WHERE USE JUST 22 YEARS OF DOING THAT STUFF BECAUSE HE PRETTY MUCH KNEW WHAT HE HAD A PROBLEM WITH. BUT THAT DOESN'T TAKE INTO ACCOUNT ARE THINGS LIKE ÃWE NEVER HAD ONE OF THOSE. THERE ARE SOME OF THOSE THAT WE MIGHT HAVE NEVER HAD BUT WE DON'T HAVE A HISTORY OF THEM. SO WE'RE LOOKING FOR YOU TO MAKE MORE RECOMMENDATIONS ON WHAT WE COULD HAVE MISSED. THE SWITCH HAD REALLY KIND OF LOOKED AT. WE HAVE NEVER HAD A PROBLEM WITH THAT.

THAT WAS A CRITERIA OR DO WE THINK THE CONDITIONS ARE ADEQUATE OR MAYBE IT'S ONLY IN THE ZONE THAT WE THINK ÃIF THERE'S SOMETHING IN THE ATTIC WE PROBABLY THINK IT WAS RELATIVELY ADDRESSED AND IT SHOULD BE TOO INTRUSIVE SINCE THAT'S 1 TO 20 UNITS.

THERE'S NOT REALLY A DENSITY THERE TO MAKE IT TOO MUCH. AGAIN, WE CAN CERTAINLY MODIFY THIS LIST AS NEEDED. THIS IS ÃI WON'T SAY THIS IS Ã IT'S THE FIRST TIME WE PRESENTED IT TO YOU. WE WILL TAKE IT. COMMISSIONER GARRISON, DID YOU

HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? >>

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>> THAT'S FUNNY BECAUSE SOME OF THESE ARE OUT OF ORDER AND NOT THE ONE YOU DON'T Ã

>> ARE CONDITIONAL USES.COM CONDITIONAL USES. ONE THING TO REMEMBER IS THAT WE HAVE STILL NOT UPDATED OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. AND WE HAVE DONE IT IN BITS AND PIECES AND I THINK CHEREESE WOULD AGREE THERE'S GOING TO BE A TOTAL EFFORT TO OVERHAUL THE ENTIRE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE IN WHICH CASE WE PROBABLY SEE A LOT MORE CONDITIONAL USES.

THERE ARE SOME SPECIAL USES THAT ARE SPECIAL USES IN ONE ZONING DISTRICT BUT ARE PERMITTED USES IN ANOTHER. WE MIGHT COME TO THAT POINT TOO, BUT THAT REQUIRES KIND OF WORK WE HAVE NOT HAD TIME TO DO.AGAIN, TRENT SANITARY LANDFILL IS NOT REALLY DEFINED 10 ACRES AND ITS AREAS OF DUMPING. SO IT'S BASICALLY A LANDFILL.

IT'S PUT UP LIKE THAT, LIKE IN TRENCHES. I THINK WE HAVE IT IN THE

REVIEW CATEGORY. >> IT IS. I WAS JUST CURIOUS > I SINCERELY DOUBT WHETHER WE WILL RECEIVE ONE ÃIF IT'S A CONDITIONAL USE WE MISSED IT.

EXCEPT FOR OUTDOOR SHOOTING RANGE. IT WAS A GOOD CATCH BY THE

COMMISSIONER. >> THANK YOU, SIR. >> I SAVED THE MOST QUESTIONS

FOR THE LAST >> I JUST WANTED A COUPLE OF THINGS TO FIND TO MAKE SURE I KNEW WHAT THEY WERE. ON YOUR LIST, YOU HAVE GOLF DRIVING RANGES, GROUP HOME RESIDENTIAL. I THINK THAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE A SEPARATE BULLET POINT.

I THINK THAT'S TWO DIFFERENT USES. >> LET ME JUST LOOK ONE CLICK.

YES. >> I THINK A LOT OF THESE HAVE TO BE ON THE LIST HE MENTIONED THE ONE COMMERCIAL AGRICULTURE. I WANTED TO TALK JUST A MINUTE ABOUT BED AND BREAKFAST AND ARE

THEY ALLOWED IN RESIDENTIAL? >> I DON'T THINK SO. >> THEY WERE IN RESIDENTIAL.

>> YOU MAKE A GOOD POINT. >> BECAUSE WITH THE BED AND BREAKFAST, IT'S NOT A REAL

OBTRUSIVE USE BUT IT WILL BRING TRAFFIC INTO A NEIGHBORHOOD >> THERE ARE CERTAIN DISTRICTS

THEY ARE >> AND THAT CAN BECOME AN EVENT USE AS WELL.

>> SO THAT WAS ONE THAT I WANTED TO UNDERSTAND WHERE COULD THIS GO TO BEGIN WITH? BECAUSE IF THEY COULD GO INTO TYPICAL RESIDENTIAL ZONING, I WOULD LIKE FOR US TO TALK ABOUT THAT ONE. BIRD SANCTUARIES AND REHABILITATION CENTERS FALLS UNDER THE SAME ARGUMENT AS THE AGRICULTURE MARTIAL. THEY CAN BE LARGE OPERATIONS AND CAN BE NOISY. AND THE OTHER ONE SOMEBODY MENTIONED THE ROCK CRUSHING.

EVENT CENTER IS NOT LIKE OUT IN RAINCOAT WHERE WE HAD THAT FARM IN THE PIT OF THE BARN AND THEY

WANTED TO HAVE A WEDDING AS I WAS CONSIDER ROLE OF AN CENTER? >> HAVE HAD PARTIES.

>> OUT THERE WERE A COUPLE, BUT IF YOU RECALL THE BOARD DIRECTED US TO NO LONGER ACCEPT APPLICATIONS FOR THOSE AND SO NOW WE DEFER TO THE STATE FOR THAT.

WE DO NOT ACCEPT APPLICATIONS FOR RURAL EVENT CENTERS >> THE MOST RECENT ONE WAS AROUND KEYSTONE THAT CAUSE A LOT OF PROBLEMS. THE ONE IN KEYSTONE WE MAY NOT BE ACCEPTING APPS MARKET SHOULD NOT ÃWE DON'T ACCEPT APPLICATIONS AND WE DEFER TO THE STATE STATUTE AS BEING PRINTED. WE JUST PARKED ÃBUT DOESN'T NEED TO EVEN COME TO YOU BECAUSE WE WON'T EVEN ACCEPT AN APPLICATION.

I JUST WANTED, SO THAT ONE REALLY DOESN'T EVEN COME INTO PLAY.

THOSE ARE IT. SO ON THE LIST OF THE DO NOT HAVE TO OBTAIN, I THOUGHT MAYBE AGRICULTURE COMMERCIAL, BED AND BREAKFAST, BIRD SANCTUARIES WAS JUST MY SUGGESTION

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>> WE WILL TAKE IT IN TWO PARTS. THE FIRST PART WILL BE ITEMS TO TAKE BACK WERE NOT INCLUDED TO INCLUDE, SO LET'S TAKE THAT AS EMOTION AND THEN IF THERE'S ANYTHING IN THE INCLUDED ITEMS THAT YOU FEEL NEED TO BE PULLED OUT WE WILL TAKE THAT AS A SECOND MOTION. WE ARE GOING TO A PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS.

ANYONE WHO WANTS TO SPEAK LIKE THIS WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING AND BRING IT BACK TO

THE COMMISSION FOR EMOTION. >> I WOULD LIKE TO JUST MOVE BACK ON THE LIST OF DO NOT HAVE TO OBTAIN THAT WE MOVE THOSE TO THE LIST THAT IS REQUIRES ADDITIONAL APPROVAL.

AND ROCK CRUSHING. AND I SAY ROCK CRUSHING TO SEPARATE IT FROM ROCK AND OR SAND STORAGE. I DON'T KNOW WHY YOU NEED IT FOR STORAGE BUT FOR THE ACTUAL

CRASH. >> IF I COULD ALSO, COULD YOU ADD OUTDOOR SHOOTING RANGES?

> I WAS JUST ABOUT TO DO THAT >> YOU WANTED TO GET TO THAT SEPARATELY

>> WE'RE GOING TO TAKE EVERYTHING IS GOING TO BE ADDED INTO THE LIST

>> I'M SORRY >> YOU ARE GOOD.O WE HAVE A MOTION.

WE HAVE A SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION?

>> MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. IS THERE A SECOND MOTION? IS THERE ANYTHING IN THAT FIRST LIST THAT ANYBODY FEELS NEEDS TO BE PULLED OUT A REVIEW?

>> I HAVE ONE QUESTION ABOUT THAT LIST >> I WOULD EXPECT YOU TO.

>> LAND CLEARING DEBRIS DISPOSAL FACILITIES. CAN YOU CLARIFY THAT? THERE'S ALWAYS BEEN IN OUR CODE AND IT SHOWS UP IN NEARLY EVERY ZONING DISTRICT DEMOLITION

STORAGE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. FORGET Ã >> THAT'S NOT WHAT THIS IS NECESSARILY. THIS IS THE CLEAR LAND AND THEY TELL YOU THEY PILE ON THE PARCEL AND THEY BURNED IT. IT'S FUNNY YOU ASK BECAUSE WE WERE REVIEWING ONE TODAY THAT PROBABLY DIDN'T KNOW THIS WAS COMING BUT IT GOT IN UNDER THE BUZZER.BUT I THINK IT REQUIRED ÃIT'S THE AMOUNT OF ACREAGE AND SETBACKS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

SO IT'S WHERE YOU BURN DEBRIS AFTER IT'S BEEN CLEARED >> AND THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN WHEN THERE'S CONSTRUCTION GOING ON AND THEY ARE STORING THEIR DEBRIS TO EVENTUALLY BE MOVED

AWAY. >> THAT WOULD BE PART OF THE CONSTRUCTION.

>> BREAK.> THIS IS WHERE THEY MOVE IT TO TO GET RID OF IT.

>> SO DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING ELSE ON THAT FIRST PART OR ARE WE GOOD ON THIS ITEM? SEEING MAN, I HAVE ONE QUESTION I WANTED TO ASK AFTER WE MADE THE MOTION SO I'M GOING TO ASK IT NOW. WITH THE CHANGE NOW THAT WE JUST RECOMMENDED, WHAT DO YOU EXPECT THE INCREASE IN VOLUME AS FAR AS ITEMS COMING FORWARD TO BE ADDED? WHAT KIND OF INCREASE ARE WE GOING TO SEE?

>> PRETTY MINIMAL. MOST OF THE USES PROBABLY AREN'T ALL THAT COMMON.

I THINK WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO SEE IS BORROW PITS AND I THINK YOU WILL HEAR ÃNOT YOU ÃI THINK THE BOARD WILL HEAR A LOT OF COMPLAINING ONCE THIS GETS OUT THAT THIS IS PROPOSED, OTHERS NOT TOO MUCH. BY THE SAME TOKEN, I THINK WE NEED TO REDO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE THERE'S GOING TO BE CHANGES AND SOME MORE WILL BE BROUGHT IN.

BUT THE USES THAT ÃNOT A >> SO THERE'S NO REASON TO REINTRODUCE THE MOVE TO 6:00 BECAUSE THE VOLUME IS GOING TO INCREASE. WE ARE GOOD AT SEVEN?

>> I DID HAVE ONE OTHER QUESTION. ON THAT LIST ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT, AND CURRENTLY TH APPROVAL? WHEN WE PUT INTO THE CODE, DO YOU REMEMBER THIS, BELINDA? I'M GOING TO ASK MELINDA BECAUSE SHE WILL REMEMBER.

WHEN WE ESTABLISHED IN THE CODE WHERE PEOPLE COULD BUILD ÃAND THESE ARE NOT THE MOTHER-IN-LAW SUITES AND THAT KIND OF THING BUT THEY COULD BASICALLY BUILD A GARAGE APARTMENT AS A RENTAL AS AN ACCESSORY OR ANCILLARY STRUCTURE PRIMARILY TO BE A RENTAL I'M PRETTY SURE WE CALL

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THIS WOULD ELIMINATE ANY APPROVAL REQUIREMENTS >> THERE IS NOTHING IN THE

CONDITIONAL USE THAT REFERS TO THAT. >> CAN YOU RESEARCH THAT BEFORE IT GETS TO THE BOARD AND TAKE A LOOK AT IT? BECAUSE I CLEARLY REMEMBER THAT

AT SOME POINT SOME YEARS AGO. >> I'D BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO. I JUST DON'T SEE IT ANYWHERE

>> WE HAD A LONG DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS WOULD BE A GREAT THING IF PEOPLE WANTED TO BUILD A GARAGE APARTMENT, YOU KNOW, IT'S BETTER ÃIN AN APARTMENT, BUT THERE WAS SOME CONCERN HOW THAT WOULD WORK AND SOME OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS SO WE HAD AN ADDITIONAL LEVEL ON PROVEMENT Ã APPROVAL ON IT ALREADY. WHEN YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THAT? AND THEN ONE LAST THING BEFORE WE PASS THIS, I'M SURE STAFF HAS CAUGHT THIS ALREADY. BUT WHOEVER DID ALL OF THE CUT AND PASTE, ALL OF THIS ORDINANCE NEEDS UPDATING BECAUSE IN THE REVIEW CRITERIA ON THESE, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM SAYS CLINIC. THAT MUST'VE BEEN THE FIRST ONE THAT THEY DID AND COPIED IT EVERYWHERE ELSE AND DID NOT CHANGE IT.

>> WE SPELLED WANAMAKER WRONG. >> ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS?

>> I WILL MOVE ÃI GUESS THIS IS THE STAFF REPORT ÃAS AMENDED EARLIER.

>> WE HAVE A FIRST AND A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR?

ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES. >> FIRST READING ON MARCH 10

FOR ACTION MARCH 24. >> ALL RIGHT. >> WITH RESPECT TO THE

ADDITIONS >> I THINK THAT THE ADVERTISEMENT WE ADVERTISE THE ONES THAT WOULD BE ADDED, THERE MAY BE THE DEED TO THE ADVERTISED JUST BECAUSE WE ÃWE CAN EITHER HEAR AGAIN, BUT I DON'T THINK WE HAVE TO TAKE IT IN FRONT OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION. WE JUST HAVE TO WE ADVERTISE. SO WE MIGHT CONTINUE.

OR NOT CONTINUE IT BECAUSE WE WOULD HAVE TO ADVERTISE IT >> IS NOT REALLY CONTINUED BUT IT'S THE QUESTION OF WHETHER YOU WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH YOUR ORDINANCE FOR THE ONES THAT YOU HAVE APPROVED AND WE COME BACK WITH THESE FOUR OR FIVE YOU ARE ADDING.

THERE MIGHT BE AN URGENCY TO MOVE FORWARD IS OUR MOTION STILL VALID SINCE OUR MOTION

STILL VALID? >> YOUR FIRST MOTION IS TO ADD SO WE WILL ADVERTISE THAT AND BRING THAT BACK BUT THEN YOUR SECOND MOTION WAS DATELESS THAT ASPEN ADVERTISE

>> BUT AS AMENDED BY AN EARLIER MOTION >> I DIDN'T HEAR THAT.

SO NOW. IT SHOULDN'T SAY AS AMENDED. IF YOU WANT TO DO IT SEPARATE.

>> SO DO WE NEED A NEW MOTION? OR IS WHAT WE HAVE SUFFICIENT? >> I THINK COURTNEY SAYS IT'S NOT SUFFICIENT TO IT CAN'T BE AS AMENDED SO IT DEPENDS ON IF ED WANTS TO DO IT.

>> I THINK YOU INCLUDED THE DRIVING RANGE BUT FOR WHATEVER ITIS WE WOULD HAVE TO ADVERTISE THOSE FOR SO I WOULD JUST DO IT. I THINK WE DO IT AS AMENDED UNLESS THE ADVERTISERS WERE RECOMMENDATIONS WOULD STILL BE THE SAME.

BUT AS FAR AS YOU HAVE SEEN IT YOU HAVE MADE THE RECOMMENDATIONS CLEAR THAT THIS WILL BE A BORING THING TO BE ADVERTISE BUT IT WILL HAVE TO COME BACK TO YOU AGAIN.

>> OKAY. >> IS THERE ANYWAY THAT WE CAN DO ANYTHING TO PREVENT IT FROM

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HAVING ANY REAL ADVERTISE AND BRING IT BACK? >> NO BECAUSE WHAT HAPPENED WHEN IT WAS ADVERTISED, THE ADVERTISEMENT, THE TITLE SPECIFIED THE SPECIFIC ITEMS, AND BECAUSE YOU ARE MAKING IT BROADER AS OPPOSED TO ELIMINATING IT YOU WOULD NEED

TO PUT THE PUBLIC ON NOTICE OF THE ADDITIONS. >> EASY ENOUGH.

WE WILL SEE THOSE FIVE ITEMS BACK Ã46, WHATEVER IT ENDS UP BEING.

[1.  Discussion on Changes to the Land Development Code to Address Chair and Vice-Chair Language]

>> ART ÃHOW TO FULLY VETTED THIS TOPIC?ERY GOOD. SHALL WE MOVE ON? WE ARE GOING TO MOVE INTO THE OLD AND NEW BUSINESS SECTION AND WE ARE GOING TO MOVE INTO THE LANGUAGE BETWEEN THE CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR. AND I NEED A LITTLE BIT OF GUIDANCE ON THIS BECAUSE THIS IS NOT A STAFF ISSUE. THIS IS A CONVERSATIONAL PIECE.

BECAUSE I WAS NOT HERE LAST WEEK, I'M GOING TO ASK RALPH IF YOU CAN START THE CONVERSATION

ON THIS. >> SURE. WHAT WILL HAPPEN ÃYOU WERE NOT HERE LAST MONTH, AND IT WAS A REORGANIZATION MEETING. I HAD KIND OF SELF NOMINATED MYSELF AND THROUGH YOUR EMAILS WE KNEW YOU WANTED TO BE NOMINATED AS WELL.

SO WE PUT IT OUT THERE, BUT IT CAUSED SOME QUESTIONS FOR SOME OF OUR NEWER MEMBERS ABOUT HOW DO WE DO THIS? HOW DO WE GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS? SO WHAT ÃI THINK WHAT THE STAFF IS PRESENTED HERE IS ONE OF THE THINGS WE ARE LOOKING AT WHICH WAS ELIMINATING Ã LIMITING SOMEONE TO TWO CONSECUTIVE TERMS. BUT THERE WAS A LACK OF SUPPORT FOR HAVING A TWO-YEAR ÃNOT NECESSARILY A TWO-YEAR TERM BUT SERVING FOR TWO YEARS. BUT THE OTHER THING THAT I WANTED TO BRING UP FOR DISCUSSION IS ÃHAS ALWAYS BEEN A LITTLE UNCOMFORTABLE WITH THE WAY WE SELECT OUR CHAIR.

IT IS PERFECTLY WITHIN THE RULES OF ORDER FOR PEOPLE TO SELF NOMINATE THEMSELVES.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE NOMINATED BY SOMEBODY ELSE UNLESS THAT'S YOUR ROLE.

THE GENERAL RULE IS IT'S ALLOWED. AND WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE MOVING FORWARD IN THIS LANGUAGE IS JUST FINE AND WILL MAKE IT TO THAT ORGANIZATION MEETING IF SOMEBODY IS INTERESTED IN BEING A CHAIR OR VICE CHAIR, LET THEM SELF NOMINATE AND AS LONG AS

YOU CAN GET A SECOND, WHOEVER GETS THE MOST VOTES WINS. >> OKAY.

DID ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ON THAT? >> WHAT I WANTED TO SEE FROM MIC] AND SUCCESSION. HOW YOU GET THERE IS ANOTHER THING AND I THINK RALPH WILL

TRUST THAT >> I DON'T THINK THIS LANGUAGE ADDRESSES IT BECAUSE WITH THIS LANGUAGE, NOT YOUR CONCERN. THIS JUST SIMPLY STATES THAT THE CHAIRMAN AND THE VICE CHAIR WILL SERVE NO MORE THAN TWO CONSECUTIVE ONE-YEAR TERMS AND THEN THE CHAIR WILL PRESIDE AND THEN THE VICE CHAIR AND IF BOTH OF US ARE NOT HERE AND WHOEVER ÃIT'S GOOD LANGUAGE TO HAVE.

I THINK WHAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT IS MORE BECAUSE WE ARE BOTH IN ROTARY AND I KNOW THAT'S WHERE THIS IS COMING FROM. IS EMAP ESSENTIALLY A PRESIDENT AND PRESIDENT ELECT AND YOU THEN HAVE OTHER OFFICERS AND IT'S A LADDER AND YOU WORK YOUR WAY UP. AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT

>> IT IS BECAUSE WHAT I THOUGHT MADE SENSE PARTICULARLY WITH MY BACKGROUND OR THE MILITARY IS YOU ARE GROOMING, FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM, THE LEADERSHIP. SO IT MADE SENSE FOR THE VICE CHAIR TO FOLLOW THE CHAIRMAN. AND SO ONCE YOU NOMINATE AND GET PEOPLE SET UP IN THOSE POSITIONS, THAT'S REALLY WHAT YOU ARE DOING IS SETTING UP THE LOGICAL PROGRESSION.

IN ALSO THAT ALLOWS PEOPLE TO START THINKING AHEAD AND PARTICULARLY IF THEY ARE GOING TO STEP INTO A MEETING, THEY ARE GETTING PREPARED FOR THAT. THIS IS TRAINING.

>> SO ÃAND FROM THE MILITARY BACKGROUND AS WELL, I AGREE WITH WHAT YOU ARE SAYING.

THEY PROGRESSION SINCE I'VE BEEN ON RALPH WAS THE CHAIR WHEN I FIRST CAME ON AND THEN JOE WAS THE CHAIR AND THEN I STEPPED INTO THIS ROLE. AND I THINK IT MAKES A ÃTHE COMMISSION A STRONGER GROUP. IF EVERYONE HAS A CHANCE TO SIT IN THE CHAIR AND GET TO EXPERIECE RUNNING THESE MEETINGS, BELINDA GRANTHAM AS WELL AS CHAIR.

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EVERYONE FALLS INTO THE NEXT SEAT SO THEY ARE NEXT IN GRADE? >> I WOULD LIKE TO INTERJECT.

I REMEMBER MY FIRST TERM. LINDA WAS OUR VICE CHAIR. AND THEN BELINDA DIDN'T WANT TO BE THE VICE CHAIR ANYMORE AND SHE HAD NO INTENTION OF COMING BACK INTO THE CHAIRMANSHIP SEAT. IF I DECIDED THAT I DID NOT WANT TO ACCEPT THE NOMINATION TO BE DEJARIK THE FOLLOWING YEAR THAT WOULD HAVE DEDICATED BOTH POSTIONS.

I DO'T KNOW IF THAT WOULD HOLD THE TRUTH. WHOEVER IS SITTING IN THE VICE CHAIR POSITION MIGHT DECIDE THAT, LISTEN, I'M EITHER GOING TO LEAVE THE COMMISSION OR I DON'T WANT TO. AND THEN THEY HAVE TO HAVE THE ABILITY TO STEP AWAY FOR IF

THEY SO CHOOSE TO. >> ABSOLUTELY. WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT IS IF YOU FOLLOW THAT, I THINK YOU HAVE TO DO THIS EVERY YEAR. YOU STILL HAVE TO HAVE A REORGANIZATION. AND I THINK THE LANGUAGE THAT THE STAFF HAS PROVIDED CLARIFIES THE ROLES OF THE CHAIR AND THE VICE CHAIR AND MORE AS A POLICY POSITION AND THAT WE CAN DECIDE HOW WE WANT BACK TO WORK. SO I THINK WITH THOSE THINGS IS NEXT YEAR, IT'S STILL HAS TO GO THROUGH A BOAT AND BE FORMALIZED.

BUT THEN WHAT I LIKE TO SEE IS EVERYBODY ELSE, WHOEVER IS INTERESTED SAY I WOULD LIKE TO GET IN LINE. I WOULD LIKE TO BE THE VICE CHAIR.

AND THEN WHOEVER GETS THE MOST VOTES GETS BETSY. AND DO THAT EVERY YEAR

>> I JUST >> THERE WOULD BE TIMES WHEN YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE VACANCIES

UNEXPECTEDLY >> WE'VE BEEN THROUGH THAT. >> IT'S VERY POSSIBLE THAT YOU SUDDENLY WIN THE LOTTERY AND DECIDE TO MOVE HERE. SEVEN ÃAND THEN YOU HAVE TO DEAL WITH THAT VACANCY RIGHT THEN. PRETTY QUICKLY.

AND I THINK THIS LANGUAGE KIND OF HELPS WITH THAT BECAUSE IF THAT WAS TO HAPPEN, THE VICE CHAIR KIND OF TAKES OVER AND WHOEVER IS THE NEXT SENIOR MEMBER BECOMES DE FACTO VICE CHAIR UNTIL THE NEXT REORGANIZATION. SO I LIKE THIS LANGUAGE.

AND I THINK THE QUESTION IS HOW DO WE WANT TO DO THE ACTUAL ELECTION?

>> MR. CHAIR, I'M CURIOUS ABOUT SOMETHING. WE ARE AN ADVISORY COMMITTEE.

HOW DID THEY DO IT? HOW DOES ÃHOW DID THE COUNTY COMMISSIONER HANDLE IT?

>> I MEAN, THERE IS NO RESTRICTION ON HOW MANY TERMS YOU CAN, IT'S JUST OPEN FOR NOMINATIONS FOR A CHAIR AND WHOEVER IS NOMINATED IN THE SAME THING FOR VICE CHAIR.

THERE IS NO Ã >> HOURS WAS THE SAME WAY. >> AND I THINK WHAT WE ARE SAYING WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO CLEAN UP A LITTLE BIT. WE WANT TO SET AN EXAMPLE

>> I THINK THAT WE SHOULD ACCEPT NOMINATION REGARDLESS. I THINK IT SHOULD BE AUTOMATIC.

NO DISRESPECT BUT I THINK IT SHOULD BE WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO NOMINATE FOR A CHAIR POSITION IN THE VICE CHAIR POSITION. I THINK JUST THE LANGUAGE OF NOT SERVING WITHIN TWO YEARS I

THINK WOULD BE SUFFICIENT. THAT'S JUST MY THINKING >> I WOULD AGREE.

I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT EVERYBODY GETS A CHANCE TO GET NOMINATED AND SOMEONE GIVES NOMINATED. I THINK I JUST WANT TO ENCOURAGE ANYBODY WHO HAS NOT SAID AS CHAIR TO DO THAT AT SOME POINT IN THIS EXPERIENCE. IT'S A VERY EYE-OPENING

EXPERIENCE. >> YES. AND I GUESS AT ONE POINT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I'M GETTING ACROSS IS I THINK EVERYBODY SHOULD BE ABLE TO ÃWHO'S

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>> AND I DON'T THINK YOUR LANGUAGE PRECLUDES THAT >> I DON'T THINK IT DOES.

IT'S MORE OF A POLICY THING. AND I'M JUST TRYING TO GET SOME NODDING HEADS.

>> I THINK WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT IS APPEARANCES. AND BELIEVE ME, I AM NOT INTIMATING ANYTHING, BUT WE NEED TO MAKE IT APPEAR LIKE IT'S NOT SOME DEAL EVERY YEAR.

THAT COMING UP WITH ÃWHO IS INTERESTED OR OPEN IT UP FOR NOMINATIONS AND SELF NOMINATED COULD BE ÃWE ARE TALKING ABOUT APPEARANCES. I THINK WE HAVE A FORMAL NOMINATION. AT OUR FEBRUARY MEETING. I THINK THAT LOOKS BETTER.

>> DO YOU FEEL IF I WANTED TO RUN FOR CHAIR, SOMEONE WOULD THEN HAVE TO NOMINATE ME?

>> I THINK THERE WOULD BE A SECOND NOMINATION. >> I'M SAYING THE WAY YOU JUST SAID THAT I THOUGHT IF I SAID I WANTED TO BE THE CHAIR ONE OF US HAS TO GO AHEAD AND NOMINATE

THE SECOND PERSON >> AND THEY WOULD PROVIDE A SECOND TO A NOMINATION THAT

HAPPENED TO COME FROM THE SAME PERSON. >> AND THEN YOU PUT EVERYBODY OUT THERE ONE TIME. YES, NO, YES, NO > IT WOULD BE INTERESTING IF EVERYBODY

SELECTED THE SAME YEAR. >> ONLY ONE PERSON COULDN'T. >> I HAD A COMMENT, AND I THINK THIS DISCUSSION ÃI APPRECIATE IT. I THINK IT'S HEALTHY.

WHAT THE PUBLIC MAY NOT UNDERSTAND IS THAT WE ARE BOUND BY THE GOVERNMENT AND THE SUNSHINE LAW AND WE ARE NOT ALLOWED TO HAVE BACK CHANNEL DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THIS.

FOR THAT REASON, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE NOT HAD AN OPPORTUNITY ÃI JUST THINK THAT IT'S HEALTHY FOR US TO E ABLE TO DISCUSS IT BECAUSE WE CAN'T DISCUSS IT ANYWHERE BUT RIGHT HERE.O THIS IS THE RIGHT PLACE TO DO IT. WE HAVE DONE IT AND IT'S HELPFUL TO ME AND I THINK IT HELPS EXPECTATIONS GOING FORWARD.

>> MR. CHAIRMAN, I KEEP READING THIS LANGUAGE AND I LOOKED AT IT AND I THINK THIS IS STRUCTURE.HAT'S WHAT THIS IS. POLICY IS WHAT WE ÃAND TO RALPH AND JOE!, HOW WE CONDUCTED, ALL POLICY. ALL THIS LANGUAGE AS I READ IT SIMPLY PROVIDES STRUCTURE FOR THE MEETINGS AS TO WHO IS GOING TO RUN THE MEETING AND IN THE ABSENCE OF THE GERMAN WHO'S GOING TO STEP IN AND IN THE ABSENCE OF THE VICE CHAIRMAN WHO IS GOING TO STEP IN. IT PROVIDES CERTAINTY. THAT'S IT.

>> THAT'S A GOOD POINT. >> I HAVE ONE OTHER THING THAT'S NOT ON THIS LIST THAT I THOUGHT ABOUT AFTER READING ALL OF THIS. AND KNOWING THE WAY THE COUNTY OPERATES, THERE'S BEEN ON HERE FOR TERM LIMITS FOR MANY OF US. SO GOOD TO READ EVERY TWO YEARS DECIDED THAT WE WANT SHOULD WE HAVE OR CONSIDER HAVING ANY TERM LIMIT ON OUR PHYSICIAN

HERE? >> I THINK THE FIRST QUESTION IS HOW HARD IS IT TO FILL THE SEATS. ONCE YOU ANSWER THAT QUESTION MAYBE WE CAN GO FROM THERE

>> I JUST THOUGHT HAVING THIS CONVERSATION WOULD PROBABLY BE A GOOD THING.

I THINK BELINDA WANTED TO GET OFF ABOUT SIX YEARS AGO. I FELT BAD.

IF THERE WAS SOMEBODY WAITING IN LINE FOR THAT, SHOULD WE PUT SOMETHING IN PLACE IN THAT PARTICULAR CASE OR SHOULD WE JUST LEAVE IT THE WAY IT IS. BECAUSE EVERY EIGHT YEARS OF YORK COUNTY COMMISSIONER 122 SIT IN THE ROLE FOR EIGHT YEARS THAN ANYONE COMES IN AND THAT NEW PERSON MIGHT NOT WANT YOU TO SIT IN THAT SEAT REPRESENTING THEM.

>> I WOULD SAY NO. I DON'T THINK THEY'RE NECESSARY AND THEY HAVE PROOF OF IT

>> LISTEN, I'M HERE 10 YEARS. I STARTED WITH A DIFFERENT COUNTY COMMISSIONERS.

>> I WENT THROUGH FOUR. >> I THINK THERE IS A NEED FOR INSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE AND YOU DON'T WANT TO LOSE THAT, ESPECIALLY IN AN ADVISORY COMMISSION.

I THINK ELECTED POSITIONS ARE DIFFERENT BUT AN ADVISORY ÃWE RELIED ON BELINDA A LOT OF

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AND WE ARE APPOINTED BY THE COMMISSION, THE PCC AND THAT THEY DON'T WANT YOU THEY WILL

GET RID OF YOU, I PROMISE YOU. >> I KNOW THAT. >> I NOTE THAT WE SHOULD HAVE A

CONVERSATION. TALKING ABOUT EVERYTHING ELSE. >> ARE THERE ANY OTHER THOUGHTS

ON TERM LIMITS? >> I AGREE WITH THE SENTIMENT THAT WAS EXPRESSED ABOUT THE INSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE. THIS IS ÃYOU KNOW, THERE IS A LOT ABOUT THIS ÃTHESE TOPICS, THESE SUBJECTS LAND-USE AND THAT IS COMMON SENSE BUT THERE'S LOTS OF IT THAT IS IDIOSYNCRATIC. AS A LAWYER, BUT FRANKLY IT REMINDS ME OF BANKRUPTCY LAW.

JUST AN AREA VERY SPECIAL ACROSS HERE. AND I FEEL LIKE THAT IS THE KIND OF PLACE WHERE YOU REALLY WANT TO GIVE PEOPLE A CHANCE TO DEVELOP INTO A KNOWLEDGE OF THE SUBJECT MATTER. SO I THINK IT IS APPROPRIATE FOR THIS.E SERVE AT THE PLEASURE OF THE BOARD OF THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS. AND THEY CAN MANAGE THAT HOWEVER THEY SEE FIT, BUT I THINK TO HAVE THE GREATEST VALUE AS AN ADVISORY BOARD WE NEED TO CALL TO THE EXPERTISE AND A LOT OF IT IS JUST BY BEING HERE MONTH AFTER MONTH REVIEWING THE CASES, UNDERSTANDING THE HISTORY AND I AGREE WITH WHAT RALPH HAS SAID.

>> JUST A QUICK QUESTION. WHAT IS THE AVERAGE TERM? >> AVERAGE?

>> TWO YEARS? THREE YEARS? FIVE YEARS?

>> LESSON FOUR, WOULDN'T YOU SAY? AVERAGE.

>> WELL, I AM A LONG PERSON AND SO IS BELINDA, BUT WE CAN ASK BELINDA HOW MANY COMMISSIONERS

SHE SERVED WITH OVER THE YEARS >> SHE SAID FORD. >> MY POINT BEING THAT THE

AVERAGE TERM LIMIT DISCUSSION IS OVERCOME BY EVENTS. >> GENERALLY.

>> FOR THE MOST PART ON THE AVERAGE >> BECAUSE YOU WILL FIND THAT PEOPLE MOVE LOST THE FIRE TO DO IT. THEY'VE JUST GOTTEN TIRED AND THEY'VE DONE IT LONG ENOUGH.

I MEAN, WE HAVE LOST, I THINK, REALLY GOOD MEMBERS OF THIS PANEL WHO WERE MISSED WHEN THEY LEFT. BUT THEY LOOK FOR WHATEVER REASON.

YOU HAVE A COUPLE OF OLD FARTS STAY AROUND FOREVER BUT GENERALLY ABOUT EVERY FOUR

YEARS ON AVERAGE, I WOULD SAY. >> WE STRUGGLE TO BUILD THE CORPORATE KNOWLEDGE.

IT'S ONGOING. >> I THINK WHAT IT GIVES YOU IS IT GIVES YOU A MIX OF THE INSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE AND THE FRESH IDEAS THAT YOU GET FROM NEW MEMBERS.

SO YOU DON'T GET STAGNANT BUT YOU DON'T GET LOST EITHER. >> THE OTHER THING I WILL JUST TAKE A MINUTE TO SHARE AS WE ALSO ÃWE DON'T LOSE OUR INSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE BECAUSE WE HAVE STAFF THAT HAVE BEEN HERE FOR SO LONG. I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG JACK HAS BEEN HERE BUT HE'S BEEN HERE I THINK OVER 25 Ã22 YEARS. AND THERE ARE OTHER MEMBERS OF THE STAFF YOU HAVE THAT JEVITY AS WELL. SO WE CERTAINLY RECOGNIZE AND APPRECIATE ALL OF THE NETWORK TO MAKE SURE WE ARE ABLE TO DO WHAT WE DO APPEAR.

NOW THAT RALPH IS AN OLD MAN OF THE SEAT AS FAR AS THE COMMISSION GOES FROM AN PINSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE STANDPOINT WE WILL BE CONTINUING TO LIAM HARDY FOR SOME OF THOSE FACTS NOW THAT MS. JOHNSON IS A GOING TO BE WITH US ANYMORE.

IS THERE ANY OTHER CONVERSATION, ANY OTHER THOUGHTS ON THIS BEFORE WE

MOVED TO OUR LAST ITEM? >> JUST ONE THING. DO WE NEED TO ADOPT THIS RULE

OF PROCEDURE >> IT'S NOT FOR A MOTION, IS IT?

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>> NOT TONIGHT, BUT IF YOU PROVIDE DIRECTIONS AS PART OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE SO WE WILL HAVE TO ADVERTISE IT AND PROVIDE A RECOMMENDATION. TONIGHT WE ARE JUST LOOKING FOR

DIRECTION >> AND IT SOUNDED ÃAND THIS IS AN OPEN COMMENT.T SOUNDS LIKE THE COMMISSION LIKES THE LANGUAGE AND AGREES WITH THE LANGUAGE.

IS THERE ANY CONSENTING OPINIONS ON THAT? >> I LIKE IT.

>> AND I WOULD SAY ADVERTISE AS WRITTEN. GOOD CONVERSATION.

LET'S MOVE TO OUR LAST ITEM. THE PROPOSED MISSION STATEMENT LANGUAGE.

[2.  Proposed Mission Statement Language]

THE IDEA BEHIND THIS IDEA HERE IS TO NARROW DOWN THE FIELD OF FIRE AND TO FOCUS ON WHAT IT IS THAT WE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING WHILE YOU'RE SITTING UP HERE IN THIS CHAIR.

AND SO WE ARE GOING TO READ THIS OUT LOUD SO THAT IT'S PART OF THE RECORD.

THE MISSION OF THE CLAY COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION IS TO PROVIDE STRATEGIC COORDINATION AND OBJECTIVE GUIDANCE AND OVERSIGHT TO THE GROWTH PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT

ACTIVITIES OF LEE COUNTY. >> JUST A QUESTION BEFORE YOU GET STARTED.

IT'S A STATEMENT. I THINK THIS IS A SELECTION Ã NONE OF THESE ARE FROM I THINK IT'S PRETTY MUCH SUMMARIZES OUR MISSION. WE DON'T HAVE A MISSION IN THERE BUT WE HAVE NOT BACK AND WE TRIED TO MAKE IT AS CLEAR AND I WOULD RECOMMEND NOT

CHOOSING ONE BUT CHOOSING YOUR OWN BUT THESE ARE JUST EXAMPLES >> THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION. I SHOULD POINT THAT OUT. I'M GOING TO READ SIX DIFFERENT ITEMS SO THEY ARE IN THE MARKET AND WE ARE GOING TO DISCUSS THEM.

THE IDEA HERE IS TO FOCUS WHY ARE WE HERE AND WHAT ARE WE PDOING.

MAKE SURE WE ARE ALL READING OFF THE SAME SHEET OF MUSIC. THE MISSION IS TO PROVIDE STRATEGIC COORDINATED AND OBJECTIVE GUIDANCE AND OVERSIGHT TO THE GROWTH PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT ACTIVITIES IN CLAY COUNTY. IN DOING SO IT'S THE GOAL OF THE COMMISSION TO ENSURE THE CLAY COUNTIES FEATURE IS CHARACTERIZED BY A HEALTHY ENVIRONMENT ECONOMY AND SOCIETY ACHIEVED THROUGH PROACTIVE PLANNING, CITIZEN REPRESENTATION, EFFECTIVE COMMUNICATION AND THE PROVISIONS OF PROFESSIONAL SERVICES FROM THE CLAY COUNTY PLANNING AND ZONING DIVISION. SECOND ITEM, THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S MANDATE IS TO ADVISE THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS ON THE BEST LAND-USE OF CLAYTON COUNTY LAMPS. FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE COUNTY AND ITS INHABITANTS WHICH INCLUDES INDIGENOUS WILDLIFE. THE PLANNING COMMISSION CONSIDERS HISTORICAL USE OF THE LAND ÃCURRENT USE AND BEST POSSIBLE USE IN ALL Ã RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS. THIRD ITEM, THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S PRIMARY RESPONSIBILITY IS TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS ON MATTERS RELATED TO COMPREHENSIVE AND CURRENT PLANNING AND LAND USE DEVELOPMENT. FOURTH, THE CLAY COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION IS AN ADVISORY COMMITTEE TO THE COUNTY BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS. THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S ROLE IS TO PLAN FOR THE NEED OF THE CITIZENS AND VISITORS TO CLARKE COUNTY.

WITH RESPECT TO LAND-USE DIVISIONS AND THEIR EFFECT ON TRANSPORTATION, RECREATION, CONSERVATION AND ENVIRONMENT PROTECTION. FOR ITEM.

PLANNING DEPARTMENT PROMOTES AND FACILITATES THE EFFICIENT HIGH-QUALITY DEVELOPMENT OF CLAYTON COUNTY RESULTING FROM MEANINGFUL INTERACTION WITH OUR CUSTOMERS AND THE COMMUNITY.

AND THEN THE LAST ONE. THE MISSION OF THE CLAY COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION IS TO STUDY COMMUNITY NEEDS AND MAKE RECOMMENDAIONS TO THE COUNTY COMMISSION CONCERNING LONG-TERM STRATEGIC GOALS AND OBJECTIVES OR MANAGEMENT GROSS. FOR THAT WE WILL OPEN IT UP FOR

CONVERSATION. >> I THINK THERE'S PARTS OF EACH ONE OF THESE STATEMENTS 4

AT LEAST A COUPLE OF THEM I SEE [INDISCERNIBLE] >> I THINK WE WOULD ALL AGREE

ON THAT. BILL? >> KEEP IT SIMPLE.

MY ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ROLE THERE WAS A PRIVATE VENTURE CAPITALIST GUY YOU HAVE BESTOWED YOUR MISSION STATEMENT AND SO I JUST DID THAT LITTLE EXERCISE HERE.

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I GET THAT IT'S A LITTLE MORE COMPLICATED THAN THAT BUT WRITING A ONE PAGE MISSION

STATEMENT IS A WASTE OF INK AND PAPER. >> I CONCUR.

I WOULD ADD MAKE IT AS DIRECT AND EASY AS POSSIBLE. >> I AGREE.

THERE'S A LOT IN HERE IT JUST GOES OFF THE RESERVATION >> THE OTHER THOUGHTS?

>> I AGREE WITH THE COMMENTS MADE SO FAR. ONE QUESTION I HAVE AND I WONDERED ABOUT WE TALK ABOUT LAND USE AND ZONING. AND I WONDERED IF IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO SAY IF WE WERE TO USE, FOR EXAMPLE, THE STATEMENT THAT ARTICULATED TO SAY LAND USE AND ZONING.

IS ZONING A SUBSET OF LAND-USE, OR IS IT SOMETHING THOUGHT TO BE SEPARATELY ARTICULATED?

>> OKAY. SOUNDS GOOD. >> WELL, I THINK JUST A VERY BRIEF STATEMENT THAT WE ARE AN ADVISORY BOARD AND YOU SAY THAT AT EVERY MEETING.

I DON'T THINK THAT REALLY DEFINES QUITE ENOUGH IF YOU WERE LOOKING AT A MISSION STATEMENT AND I KNOW BILL HAS HAD EXPERIENCE WITH THAT BUT I'VE WORKED IN MANY CORPORATIONS AND THEY ALL HAVE THESE MISSION STATEMENTS AND NONE OF THEM ARE THAT SHORT.

RIGHT OFF THE BAT, THERE IS A COUPLE OF THESE I WOULD THROW OUT BECAUSE I ONLY SEE THE TERM CITIZEN USED IN THREE OF THESE, AND AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE ARE A CITIZENS ADVISORY BOARD.

I REALLY LIKE PERHAPS THE FOURTH ONE. YOU KNOW, OUR ROLE IS TO PLAN FOR THE NEEDS OF THE CITIZENS AND VISITORS TO CLAY COUNTY WITH RESPECT TO LAND USE DECISION AND ITS EFFECTS ON TRANSPORTATION RECREATION CONSERVATION AND ENVIRONMENT.

TO ME THAT'S WHAT WE OUGHT TO BE DOING. WE SHOULD NOT BE ADVOCATING FOR ANYBODY BUT THE CITIZENS OF THE COUNTY, WHAT'S BEST FOR THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE HERE.

THERE NOT OUR CITIZENS AND TRY TO MAKE IT AS PLEASANT AS WE CAN FOR VISITORS.

I DON'T THINK YOU NEED VISITORS IN THERE. THE OTHER ONE, NUMBER TWO, AT LEAST MENTIONS THE COUNTIES INHABITANTS. OTHER THAN THAT, IT DOESN'T SEEM TO TIE US TO WHAT I THINK WE ARE WHICH IS A CITIZENS PADVISORY BOARD.

SO THAT'S I REALLY DO LIKE THE FOURTH ONE. I THINK IT'S SHORT TO BILL!

BUT LONG ENOUGH TO ACTUALLY STATEMENT STATE WHAT IT IS >> I ALSO WAS ATTRACTED TO NUMBER FOUR WAS ONE OF THE ONES I PAID PARTICULAR ATTENTION TO BUT IT SEEMED LIKE THERE WERE SOME THINGS IF WE WERE TO GO THAT DIRECTION AND ARTICULATE THE FACTORS WE ARE TAKING INTO ACCOUNT, WHICH THIS FIRST ONE JUST SAYS WHAT WE DO BUT THIS IS PUTTING MEAT ON THE BONES IS WHAT ARE THE FACTORS THAT WE ARE GOING TO CONSIDER AND WHO ARE OUR CONSTITUENTS.

SO THAT'S WHAT ROB IS STAYING. IT SEEMS TO ME NUMBER FOUR WAS MISSING EDUCATION.

I THOUGHT THAT WE ALSO LOOKED AT THE IMPACTS ON EDUCATION. YOU HAVE A MEMBER OF THE SCHOOL DISTRICT HERE AND THEN WE HAD THE MILITARY SO MILITARY RESERVATIONS ARE ANOTHER THING.

I DIDN'T KNOW HOW YOU WRITE Ã AND THEN I ALSO HAVE TO CONFESS TO SOME CONFUSION ABOUT TRANSPORTATION. I GUESS TRANSPORTATION IS DIFFERENT THAN TRAFFIC.

WE HAVE AN ONGOING DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT IS THE APPROPRIATE CONSIDERATION TO GIVE TO TRAFFIC CHANGES RESULTING. SO ANYWAY, IF WE WANT TO GO IN THE DIRECTION OF ADDING MORE WHAT ARE THE FACTORS WE CONSIDER, ESPECIALLY LIKE THE CONVERSATION SHOW OUT THERE BECAUSE SOME OF THEM TALK ABOUT DEVELOPMENT, BUT CONSERVATION MAYBE DOESN'T FALL IN THAT

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>> I'M GOING TO OFFER SOMETHING. IF I MAY, I'M GOING TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT. WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ABOUT Ã THE IDEA HERE IS TO NARROW DOWN WHAT IT IS WE ARE DOING HERE. SO THAT WE ALL UNDERSTAND THAT. REALLY IT SO THAT WE ÃTHE COMMUNITY UNDERSTAND WHEN THEY COME HERE TO PARTICIPATE THE CHAIR SHOULD BE ABLE TO READ THE MISSION STATEMENT AND THAT ENCOMPASSES WHAT WE ARE DOING HERE.

SO FOR INSTANCE MARRIAGES BROUGHT UP TRAFFIC. DO YOU WANT TO TOUCH ON THAT?

>> WE ARE JUST SITTING HERE TALKING ABOUT IT. THE EFFECTS ON TRANSPORTATION YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER YOU ARE DEALING WITH LAND USE AND ZONING.

YOUR TRANSPORTATION DOES COME INTO PLAY IN CONNECTION WITH YOUR LAND-USE.

EVEN THOUGH IT COMES INTO PLAY WITH YOUR ZONING. I THINK IT'S HARD TO HAVE A STATEMENT THAT'S GOING TO INCLUDE ON EVERYTHING YOU DO IF YOU DON'T KEEP IT BROAD ENOUGH TO ALLOW YOU THAT FLEXIBILITY. IF YOU SHAPE IT GOING TO BE EXCLUDING PART OF WHAT YOUR JOB IS. TO ME, I REALLY LOOKED AT THE THIRD ONE THAT SAYS IT'S MATTERS RELATED TO YOUR COMPREHENSIVE AND CURRENT PLANNING AND MENUS DEVELOPMENT IN A VERY BROAD SENSE. I DO LIKE IN THE FOURTH WALMART SESSION OR AN ADVISORY COMMITTEE TO THE BCC BUT YOU NEED TO KEEP THAT BROAD ENOUGH TO ENCOMPASS EVERYTHING THAT YOUR JOB IS. WHICH IS TO HANDLE THE LAND-USE AND THE ZONING THAT COMES IN

UNDER LAND-USE DEVELOPMENT. >> I'D LIKE TO TAP ONTO THAT, A LOT OF THE ITEMS WE SEE THAT COME THROUGH HERE OUR BUSINESSES. BUSINESSES THAT WANT TO COME IN AND THEY WANT TO MAKE CLAYTON COUNTY A PLACE TO DO BUSINESS. I THINK WE JUST SAY CITIZENS AND VISITORS ARE WE EXCLUDING BUSINESSES? FLORIDA POWER CAME IN AND THEY WANTED TO BUILD THAT BIG SOLAR PANEL DEVELOPMENT OUT THERE, THINGS LIKE THAT, THOSE ARE THINGS WE HAVE TO CONSIDER ALSO. AND I JUST WANT TO ÃI THINK WE START TO NARROW THAT AND 90 COUNTY WANTS TO HELP BUSINESSES COME IN HERE.T'S JOBS AND TAX DOLLARS. THERE'S A LOT OF BENEFIT TO THAT.

I DON'T WANT TO PUT US IN A BOX AND JUST SAY THIS SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE I THINK THAT A COMPANY MAJOR CORPORATIONS ESPECIALLY, THEY FIND SOME VALUE IN COMING HERE.

THIS COULD PRECLUDE THEM FROM DOING THAT. WE MIGHT NOT HAVE AN

OPPORTUNITY SO LET'S FIND SOMEPLACE ELSE. >> BEFORE WE WRAP UP OUR THEIR

LAST THOUGHTS ON THIS? >> I LIKE NUMBER THREE AND I WOULD SIMPLY ASK THE QUESTIONS WHO ARE WE, WHAT DO WE DO? WHY DO WE DO IT? AND YOU CAN TAKE NUMBER THREE AND THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE AND WHAT OUR RESPONSIBILITY IS. WHY ARE YOU DOING IT?

WE ARE TASKED TO DO IT BY BCC. >> THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE ARE LOOKING FOR IS KIND OF A STRAIGHTFORWARD VISION STATEMENT THAT EXPLAINS BROAD ENOUGH THAT IT REACHES

EVERYTHING THAT WE TOUCHED, BUT NOT A THREE-PAGE DOCUMENT >> IT'S NO DIFFERENT THAN THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE TO THE TRANSPORTATION PLANNING ORGANIZATION.

THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THEY DO. >> COURTNEY, IF I CAN REQUEST IF YOU CAN GARNER ALL THE COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE THIS EVENING ON THIS TOPIC AND IF YOU CAN COALESCE IT INTO ONE AMAZING ÃSENTENCE OR TWO OR THREE SO THAT IT REPRESENTS AND LET'S BRING THAT BACK NEXT

MONTH SO THAT WE CAN REVIEW IT ONE MORE TIME.AND THEN Ã >> THIS IS SOMETHING WE WANT TO INCLUDE AS PART OF THE CHANGES OR IS THIS GOING TO BE Ã

>> OUTSTANDING. >> WE ARE GOING TO OPEN UP THE FINAL PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD.

>> BEFORE WE MOVED INTO THAT SECTION, IS THERE AN OPPORTUNITY TO DISCUSS NEW

BUSINESS? >> I APOLOGIZE. I JUMPED RIGHT OUT OF THAT.

GO AHEAD. >> I HAVE A COUPLE OF THINGS. I HAVE A COUPLE OF THINGS I

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AND SO I JUST THINK THAT THE WORD NEEDS TO BE MENTIONED HERE.

IT DOESN'T STOP AT THE DUBOIS COUNTY LINE. I APPLAUD THE CITY OF JACKSONVILLE FOR BEING PROACTIVE AND I WANT TO MENTION THE WORD AND I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANY ONGOING EFFORT HERE IN CLAY COUNTY TO ADDRESS THE TOPIC AT ALL.

AND WHENEVER I LEARNED THAT THE CITY OF JACKSONVILLE WE HAVE TO SHARE HERE.

THAT'S ONE ITEM. >> IF I COULD, I THINK THAT IN ORDER TO ADDRESS THAT WE MIGHT NEED TO COORDINATE BECAUSE THEIR ACTIONS, THEY HAVE PROBABLY MOST OF THE ÃI THINK IT WILL BE A GOOD IDEA IF WE WERE GOING TO ADDRESS THAT TO COORDINATE WITH THEM.

>> IT'S NOT THE RIVER. IT GOES ALL THROUGHOUT CLAYTON COUNTY.

THE NUMBER THAT STICKS IN MY MIND, THEY ARE USING SOME FEDERAL AGENCIES STUDY THAT PREDICTS BY 2060, FOUR YEARS FROM NOW THEY EXPECT BETWEEN ONE AND THREE FEET OF SEALEVEL RISE. THEY JUST PICKED TWO FEET. SO THAT'S WHAT THEY ARE WORKING WITH. EARLIER IN THE PROCESS BUT THEY ARE HAVING THE CONVERSATION.

IT'S A SCIENTIFIC FACT SEALEVEL IS RISING AND AT SOME POINT THE CITY OF FERNANDINA HAS SOME ISSUES. I'M JUST BRINGING DOWN THE SUBJECT.

AND THE OTHER THING, THE LAST MEETING I MENTIONED WE WERE HAVING THIS CONVERSATION ABOUT DENSITY AND I MENTIONED I HAD BEEN TO A PROJECT IN NORTH CAROLINA WHERE THEY HAD ÃI GUESS PEOPLE WERE CONCERNED ABOUT 40 FOOT WATSON HAD BEEN TO THIS COMMUNITY AND I SAID ABOUT THE LOTS WERE 20 FEET AND I WAS WRONG THEY ARE 28 FEET. SO I BROUGHT INFORMATION ON THAT AND NOT TO ADVOCATE FOR ANYTHING AND I LOOK AT IT MORE KIND OF ALONG THE MISSION STATEMENT TRYING TO EDUCATE EACH OTHER I BRING A PARTICULAR SET OF EXPERIENCE AND KNOWLEDGE. I WANT TO TRY TO SHARE THAT. BUT THE IDEA THAT SOMETHING LESS NARROW THAN 40 FEET IS NOT MET SOMEONE TO PASS THIS OUT. AND THE OTHER THING I HAVE

INCLUDED A MESS I MADE 10 COPIES. >> KELLY, CAN YOU GRAB THOSE IN

WHICH HE PASSES OUT TO THE COMMISSIONERS, PLEASE? >> THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO SHARE WITH YOU GUYS IS HISTORICAL DATA FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION PERMIT ACTIVITY IN THE NORTHEAST FLORIDA REGION. THEY KEEP RECORDS ON FOUR COUNTIES CLAYTON COUNTY DUBOIS COUNTY NASSAU COUNTY AND DUBOIS COUNTY. IN THE LAST BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS MEETING BASED ON SOME CITIZEN INPUT FROM ÃABOUT THE DENSITY CHANGE THE COMMISSIONER MADE THE STATEMENT SOMETHING TO THE EFFECT THAT I THINK WHAT WE JUST SAW WAS A REVOLT ON GROWTH AND HE WENT ON TO RECOMMEND THAT THERE BE POTENTIALLY A REFERENDUM, A NONBINDING REFERENDUM TO USE HIS WORDS CONSCIOUSLY CONTROL GROWTH.

SO I CALLED MR. LEHMAN EARLIER AND SPOKE WITH FRAN MOSS. WHAT ARE THE CIRCUMSTANCES THAT WILL ALLOW THE GOVERNMENT TO STEP IN? I'M MOST FAMILIAR WITH YOU ÃI LEARNED THE WORD MORATORIUM STANDS FOR PAUL'S AND SO I'M CURIOUS AND DON'T EXPECT ANY CHURCH TONIGHT BUT MAYBE AS WE MOVE FORWARD ONE OF THE CIRCUMSTANCES THAT WOULD ALLOW THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS TO CONSCIOUSLY CONTROL GROWTH? AND WHAT WOULD THAT LOOK LIKE? I PROVIDE THE PERMIT DATA TO GIVE YOU A HISTORICAL CONTENT ON THE UPS AND DOWNS SINCE 2001. LAST YEAR, 2019, CLAYTON COUNTY CALLED 1135 PERMITS. MEANWHILE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE RIVER ST. JOHNS COUNTY PULLED 4000 PERMITS WHICH IS DOWN FROM WHAT THEY PULLED IN 18 WHICH IS 4500 PERMITS.

AND TO STATE THE OBVIOUS, WE HAVE A $1 BILLION PLUS BIT OF INFRASTRUCTURE GOING THROUGH THE EXPRESSWAY AND IT IS GOING TO LEAD TO FURTHER DEVELOPMENT. THE MARKET MOVES UP AND DOWN.

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2005 AT THE HEIGHT OF THE HOUSING BOOM WE PULLED 497 PERMITS.

THESE MARKETS MOVE UP AND DOWN ON THEIR OWN. SOME DON'T REMEMBER JOHN CALLED PHIL HE WAS A LOCAL BUILDER. WHEN IT'S HOT ECONOMICALLY SPEAKING FLAVORS ARE DEFINED MATERIALS ARE GOING TO THE ROOF AND HIS RESPONSE WAS THE CURE IS WORSE THAN THE PROBLEM BECAUSE THE CURE IS A RECESSION. YOU CAN EASILY GO FROM 497 PERMITS TO 10 PERMITS. BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU ASK FOR IN TERMS OF CONSCIOUSLY CONTROLLED GROWTH. I'M RAMBLING. THE REST IS A SITE MAP OF THE DEVELOPMENT. I PUT A COUPLE OF NOTES AT THE BOTTOM.

NOT ALL THE LOTS ARE THE SAME SIZE, THE PINK LOTS OF THE 28 FOOT LOTS THEY HAVE AN 18 FOOT WIDE HOME ON IT AND THERE ARE SOME PHOTOS OF THE HOMES THAT ARE BUILT THERE.

THEY STARTED WITH 413 LOTS IN 2017 THEY WERE SELLING LIKE HOT CAKES.

THE CHEAPEST HOUSE AND THERE IS $350,000 A 200,000 SQUARE-FOOT HOUSE ON A 20 FOOT LOT.

THE IDEA SOMEBODY DOES NOT WANT THAT IS PROVEN WRONG. AND I'VE BEEN THERE.

IT'S A NICE COMMUNITY. ANYWAY. I AM DONE.

>> BILL, I WILL JUST SAY I'M VERY THANKFUL YOU HAVE JOINED US ON THE COMMISSION.

YOU BOTH HAVE BROUGHT DIFFERENT EXPERIENCE AND EXPERTISE. THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE TIME TO PUT THE PACKAGE TOGETHER AND FOR SHARING IT WITH THE GROUP. I APPRECIATE IT.

DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? IT'S A LOT OF INFORMATION TO PROCESS, > THIS LOOKS PRETTY INTERESTING, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU AND MY QUESTION IS, IS THIS A COMMUNITY THAT THEY BUILT THE SAID? IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S A LOT OF

PEOPLE COMING IN AND OUT OF THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. >> IS IT A BEDROOM COMMUNITY?

>> IS THE 'S SURROUNDING AREA

IT HAS TOWNHOMES AND WILDLIFE 300,000 TO OVER $1 MILLION. >> ARE THE MAJORITY OF PERMITS

>> THOSE NUMBERS ARE STRICTLY SINGLE-FAMILY NEW CONSTRUCTION. ASK JEOPARDY BACKGROUND OR ANY

THOUGHT AS TO IN ST. JOHNS WITH THE COMMERCIAL PERMIT Ã >> NOT EXACTLY.

I WOULD SAY THE RATIO IS COMPARABLE BASED ON MY PREVIOUS EXPERIENCE OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. ST. JOHNS ÃI THINK LEE COUNTY IS 75 OR 80 PERCENT OF THE RESIDENT'S COMMUTE. 80 PERCENT OF US OR ONE OF US ST. JOHNS COUNTY HAS THE SAME BURDEN NASSAU COUNTY HAS THE SAME BURDEN. EVERYBODY WANTS TO GROW JOBS BUT THE CHALLENGE AND I MENTIONED THIS TO ED EARLIER IS THAT COMPANIES WANT TO BE NEAR INFRASTRUCTURE, NEAR THE PORT, NEAR THE INTERSTATE WHICH IS WHY EXPRESSWAY IS GOING TO BE SO CRITICAL TO THE ECONOMIC GROWTH IN CLAYTON COUNTY. I DON'T KNOW IF I ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION OR NOT. ALL ÃAND IT'S NOT ÃIT'S EVERY COMMUNITY LIKE THIS ACROSS THE COUNTRY HAS THE SAME THING. ALL THE JOBS ARE IN THE DOWNTOWN CENTER IN THE SUBURBS

STRUGGLE WITH EVERYBODY FITTING IT. >> JUST TO CLARIFY, ST. JOHNS

HAS A SIMILAR COMMUTER RATIO AS WE DO. >> YES.> TRADITIONALLY THEY

WOULD DO 70 PERCENT. >> AND IT MAY BE A LITTLE BIT LESS, BUT IT'S NOT

SIGNIFICANTLY >> OUT THE CHALLENGE FOR US IS HOW DO WE START TO REIMBURSE

THAT >> AND THAT'S WHY THE EDC EXISTS AND THEY WORK HARD AT IT. I CAN TELL YOU AFTER HAVING DONE IT FOR FIVE YEARS IT'S EASIER TO TALK ABOUT IT THEN DO IT. AND THAT'S WHY THE EXPRESSWAY IS SO CRITICAL. YOU CAN GO ÃYOU HAVE THE GREATEST ÃNOBODY CARES ABOUT

QUALITY OF LIFE. >> THE ONLY QUESTION IS CAN WE DO IT RIGHT?

>> SO THIS FEEDS INTO THE WHOLE MISSION STATEMENT AND I THINK WHAT ARE WE HERE FOR.

>> IS APPRECIATED.HANK YOU. HEARING NO OTHER DISCUSSION ON THAT, WE ARE GOING TO REOPEN

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