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[13. 5:00 Time Certain or as soon thereafter as can be heard - Final Public Hearing to Consider Rezoning Application PUD 19-12: PUD to PUD, Radar Road (Commissioner District 1, Commissioner Cella). (P.C. voted 6 to 1 in favor)]

PUD 1912 RADAR ROAD WHICH HAS BEEN OUR TOPIC FOR THE LAST FEW MINUTES. FRAZIER, YOU ARE UP

FIRST I GUESS. >> SPEAKER: GOOD EVENING. FULL HOUSE. SUSAN FRAZIER, 3517 PARK STREET IN JACKSONVILLE. I'M HERE REPRESENTING THE PROPERTY OWNER AND THE PROPOSED DEVELOPER.

>> SUSAN, I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE STAFF PRESENT FIRST THEN YOU CAN RESPOND.

>> SPEAKER: SORRY. PERFECT. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: I'M SORRY, COUNTY ATTORNEY, YOU ARE EXACTLY

RIGHT. SO, STAFF FIRST. >> THIS ITEM IS PUD 19-12. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CHANGE IN ZONING FROM PUD TO PUD. THE PARCEL IS APPROXIMATELY 11.36 ACRES LOCATED WITHIN THE PLANNED COMMUNITY FUTURE LAND USE CATEGORY. A 180 MULTI-FAMILY UNIT USE WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED UNDER 2016-44. THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING A CHANGE OF ZONING TO PROVIDE A SITE PLAN FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF A 180 MULTI-FAMILY UNIT COMMUNITY AND STANDARDS FOR BUFFERING, OPEN SPACE AND RECREATIONAL AMENITIES. THESE ARE THE SURROUNDING ZONINGS. IT'S PUD ESSENTIALLY ALL AROUND. US17 TO THE EAST. RADAR ROAD AND PUD TO THE SOUTH. THIS IS AN AERIAL.

SOME SITE PHOTOS. THIS IS THE SITE PLAN THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING TO INCLUDE WITH THIS AMENDMENT.

STAFF HAS REVIEWED THE APPLICATION AND HAS DETERMINED THE REQUEST IS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, COMPLIES AND IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING AREA. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF APPLICATION PUD 19-12. THE PLANNING COMMISSION VOTED 6-1 IN

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FAVOR OF THE APPLICATION AT THEIR MEETING EARLIER THIS MONTH.

>> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF? >> COMMISSIONER CELLA: NOT RIGHT

NOW. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: OKAY. MS. FRAZIER WE'LL CONTINUE WITH YOUR

PRESENTATION. >> SPEAKER: SURELY. AGAIN SUSAN FRAZIER, SLS CONSULTING 3517 PARK STREET IN JACKSONVILLE. WE'RE HERE TO TALK ABOUT A PARCEL OF LAND THAT FRONTS ON RADAR ROAD. RADAR ROAD IS ACTUALLY A DRIVEWAY THAT ACCESSES US17. THIS PROPERTY IS PART OF THE EAGLE HARBOR, THE CRO CROSSINGS DRI. IT IS ONE OF THE LAST PARCELS IN THIS DRI THAT IS UNDEVELOPED. AND IN 2016 THE COUNTY APPROVED A ZONING FOR THIS PROPERTY THAT WOULD ALLOW IT TO BE DEVELOPED FOR 180 APARTMENT UNITS. SO THE PLAN I GAVE YOU, THIS IS WHAT WAS APPROVED IN 2016. AND SO AT THE TIME WHEN WE CAME THROUGH REZONING AT THAT POINT WE HAD ANOTHER APARTMENT DEVELOPER WITH US WITH THE OWNER IS HERE REPRESENTING THE OWNER TONIGHT. AND WE COULD NOT -- THAT DEVELOPER DID NOT COME TO A FULL CONTRACT. SO, WHEN THE COUNTY APPROVED THE ZONING WE KNOW WHAT THE BUFFER SHOULD LOOK LIKE, WE KNOW THERE'S GOING TO BE 180 APARTMENTS BUT WE HAVE A BIG WHITE BOX. SO THE OBJECT TONIGHT IS TO FILL IN THAT WHITE BOX. THAT WHITE BOX WE'RE HERE TO SHARE WITH YOU IS WITH BRISTOL DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION. THEY'RE OUT OF TENNESSEE. AND THEY PROPOSE TO HAVE 180 APARTMENT UNITS. SO, THEY'RE CONSISTENT WITH THE ZONING THAT WE RECEIVED IN 2018. AND THE SITE PLAN YOU ARE GOING TO CONSIDER THIS EVENING IS THE ONE ON THE SCREEN AND WAS IN YOUR PACKET. SO THE CHANGES THAT WE MADE FROM 2016 WERE PRETTY FEW. SO, I'D LIKE TO OUTLINE THOSE FOR YOU. EVERYTHING ELSE WAS APPROVED IN 2016 EXCEPT WE ARE SEEKING TO BE ALLOWED TO HAVE FOUR-STORY BUILDINGS. WHEN WE STARTED THIS PROCESS WITH THE ORIGINAL DEVELOPER WE HAD THREE-STORY BUILDINGS IN THE APPROVAL. IN THAT APPROVAL IN 2016 WE ACTUALLY HAD TWO REZONINGS. WE HAD THIS PARCEL AND A PIECE OF GRACE EPISCOPAL -- GRACE CHURCH TO THE SOUTH. WE HAD PUT LANDSCAPING IN THE RIGHT-OF-WAY BETWEEN RADAR ROAD, THE PAVEMENT, AND OUR SOUTHERN PROPERTY LINES. WE HAD A BUFFER LOCATED IN THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY. WHEN WE CAME TO FILE THIS ZONING APPLICATION IT BECAME APPARENT THAT RADAR ROAD WAS POTENTIALLY GOING TO BECOME A ROAD. IT WAS ACTUALLY THE COUNTIES PURSUING FUNDING TO TAKE IT OVER TO TOWN CENTER BOULEVARD. WHEN TALKING TO THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT THEY INDICATED OUR BUFFER WOULD BE IN THE WAY OF THEIR PLANS FOR THIS ROAD. THE PLAN YOU SEE THIS EVENING DOES NOT HAVE LANDSCAPING BETWEEN RADAR ROAD AND OUR SOUTHERN PROPERTY LINE. WE'VE GOTTEN OUT OF THE WAY OF THE COUNTY IN AN EFFORT TO TRY TO GET RIDE RADAR ROAD BUILT AND WE'VE PLACED THAT 30 FOOT BUFFER ON THIS PARCEL. THIS IS 37. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE DRAWING, THE ROW OF TREES ALONG THE SOUTHERN BOUNDARY BETWEEN WHAT IS RADAR ROAD AND THE FIRST SET OF 3WI8DINGS TO THE SOUTH, THAT'S A 30 FOOT BUFFER ARE THAT IN OUR 2016 APPROVAL WAS OUTSIDE OF OUR PROPERTY. SO, IN MAKING THAT ADJUSTMENT, WE CAME TO THE FOUR STORY BUILDINGS TO ACCOMMODATE THE 180 UNITS. AS EVERYONE HAS INDICATED THE COVENANTS AND RESTRICTIONS ALLOW THIS USE AND THOSE BUILDINGS ARE LOCATED AGAINST THE WET LANDS AND THE INDUSTRIAL. SO WE FOUND THAT BOTH THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE AND THE HOA FOUND THAT WAS AN ACCEPTABLE ACCOMMODATION. SO WE HAVE SAID THE BUFFER IS NOW ON OUR PROPERTY AND WE'VE SAID WE'RE SEEKING FOUR STORY BUILDINGS. IN ADDITION, WE HAVE TALKED TO THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT AS LATE AS TODAY AND THE LANGUAGE THAT I AM PROVIDED WITH YOU IS A CHANGE THAT WE PROPOSE TO PUT IN THE RECORD. SO THE DISCUSSION ON THE SIDEWALK WAS A POINT OF DISCUSSION AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION. SO THE LANGUAGE WE'RE PROPOSING THAT WE WOULD ADD TO THE PUD SAYS THAT THE DEVELOPER WILL CONTRIBUTE

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$36,000 TO CLAY COUNTY TOWARD THE CONSTRUCTION OF A FIVE FOOT SIDEWALK BETWEEN 17 AND TOWN CENTER BOULEVARD TO FACILITATE ACCESS BY THE PUBLIC BETWEEN THESE TWO MAJOR ROADS. CLAY COUNTY SHALL CONSTRUCT THE SIDEWALK OUTSIDE THE PROPERTY GENERALLY ADJACENT TO THE SOUTHERN PROPERTY LINE. FUNDS WILL BE CONTRIBUTED TO CLAY COUNTY BY THE DEVELOPER AT THE TIME THE DEVELOPER IS ISSUED A BUILDING PERMIT FOR VERTICAL CONSTRUCTION AND THOSE FUNDS WILL BE ADDED TO COUNTY FUNDS FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE SIDEWALK EXTENSION TO TOWN CENTER BOULEVARD WHICH COMBINED CLAY COUNTY WILL APPLY TO THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE SIDEWALK CONNECTING 17 AND TOWN CENTER BOULEVARD WITHIN 12 MONTHS OF THE DEVELOPER CONTRIBUTION.

I'VE GOT MR. CARLISLE HERE WHO REPRESENTS THE DEVELOPER AND HE WILL ASSURE YOU OF HIS SUPPORT FOR THE ACCESS CONNECTION AND THIS IS OUR CONTRIBUTION TOWARD GETTING THAT TO HAPPEN. WE HAVE ONE OTHER CHANGE. WHEN WE WERE APPROVED IN 2016 ALSO SOUTH OF OUR PROPERTY WAS THE RIGHT TO PUT A SIGN ON THE PROPERTY THAT WAS OWNED BY THE CHURCH. SO, WITH THE DESIRE FOR RADAR ROAD TO BE WITHIN THAT AREA, WE HAVE REALIZED THAT WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO HAVE A PLACE TO PUT THE SIGN THAT WE WANT. SO THE SIGN IS PROPOSED TO BE LOCATED WITHIN THAT BUFFER, THAT 30 FOOT BUFFER. AND WE JUST WANT IT TO BE IN THE RECORD THAT WE WOULD PROPOSING TO CHANGE THIS SECTION TO SAY SIGNAGE FOR MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENT MAY BE CONSTRUCTED WITHIN THE 30 FOOT LANDSCAPE BUFFER ON PARCEL 13 LOCATED PARALLEL TO THE SOUTHERN PROPERTY LINE. THE CHANGE. IT USED TO SAY THE SIGN COULD BE LOCATED ON THE CHURCH PROPERTY. SO, WE'RE MOVING IT ON TO OUR PARTICULAR PROPERTY. A LOT OF DISCUSSION AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION WAS ABOUT ACCESS TO US17. SO, BRISTOL DEVELOPMENT HIRED KIMBERLY HORN AND ASSOCIATES AND WE HAVE SOME TESTIMONY BY AN EXPERT ON THE ACCESS, THE TRAFFIC STUDY THAT WAS PERFORMED FOR THIS APPLICANT. WE SUBMITTED IT WITH THE APPLICATION. SO, I'D LIKE TO ALLOW THE GENTLEMAN FROM KIMMERLY HORN TO SPEAK AS WELL. SO, I THINK MAYBE MR. CARLISLE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK AND M MR. HELLSBURG FROM KIMMERLY HORN THEN WE'RE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

>> SPEAKER: GOOD EVENING. CHARLES CARLISLE WITH BRISTOL DEVELOPMENT GROUP. WE'RE BASED IN NASHVILLE, TENNESSEE. WE'VE BEEN ACTIVE IN THE JACKSONVILLE AREA FOR QUITE A FEW YEARS BUT HAS NEVER HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO DEVELOP IN CLAY COUNTY AND WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT THE OPPORTUNITY TO DEVELOP IN CLAY COUNTY AND ESPECIALLY ON FLEMING ISLAND AND WE HOPE TO BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR IN THE COMMUNITY. SUSAN'S COVERED THE APARTMENT COMMUNITY SPECIFICS. I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE. WE DO HAVE RENDERINGS OF THE BUILDINGS. THAT IS THE ONE STORY AMENITY BUILDING WHICH WOULD HOUSE LEASING AND ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICES, FITNESS CENTER, CLUB ROOM, A LOT OF DIFFERENT MEETING SP SPACES. IT OPENS UP ON TO A POOL, COURT YARD WITH OUT DOOR KITCHENS AND OUTDOOR RECREATIONAL AREA. THEN THE ARCHITECTURE FOR THE BUILDINGS IS SIMILAR. THAT'S THE THREE-STORY BUILDING AND THE FOUR STORY BUILDING IS EXACTLY LIKE THAT JUST WITH ONE MORE STORY ADDED. ARCHITECTURAL FIRM IS JACKSONVILLE BASED AS ARE ALL OF OUR CONSULTANTS AND CONTRACT. JUST A COUPLE OF THINGS. THE ONLY ISSUE WE HAD WITH THE SIDEWALK WAS SIMPLY THAT IT WASN'T ON OUR PROPERTY. IT HAD TO BE ON THE CHURCH PROPERTY THE WAY IT WAS BEFORE. SO, I'D JUST LIKE TO SAY WE ARE VERY SUPPORTIVE OF HAVING A SIDEWALK. AND I'M DELIGHTED WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO WORK THIS OUT WITH THE COUNTY ENGINEER. BECAUSE WE LIKE TO SEE THAT CONNECTION MADE AND HAVE NO RED ASENSE TO BEING PART OF THAT. THE OTHER THING I'D JUST LIKE TO MENTION IS ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS THAT WE WERE CONCERNED WITH WHEN WE BEGAN TO LOOK AT THIS PARCEL OF LAND BACK IN AUGUST WAS ACCESS. AND THERE'S AT LEAST SIX OF US THAT I KNOW OF IN OUR COMPANY -- WE'RE A SMALL COMPANY. WE'VE BEEN DOWN HERE TO LOOK AT IT AND EXPERIENCE IT OURSELVES. I'VE DONE IT MULTIPLE TIMES. WE THEN HIRED AN ENGINEER TO CONFIRM WHAT WE SUSPECTED WHICH WAS THAT THERE WAS SUFFICIENT GAPS IN TRAFFIC TO BE ABLE TO GET OUT SAFELY ON TO US17 AND THAT THERE WAS SORT OF A FAIL-SAFE FOR SOMEONE UNCOMFORTABLE TURNING LEFT WHICH WAS TO GO MERELY 700 FEET TO THE SOUTH AND DO THE

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U-TURN THERE. SO, OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEER WILL COVER THAT IN MORE DETAIL BUT IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE ARE NOW VERY COMFORTABLE WITH AND THAT'S NOT WITHOUT A LOT OF INVESTIGATION OF OUR OWN. ANY

QUESTIONS, I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM. >> SPEAKER: HI THERE. I'M JACK HOLLSBURG, PROFESSIONAL TRAFFIC ENGINEER. I PERFORMED THE TRAFFIC STUDY FOR THIS PROJECT.

I'VE OUTLINED THE TRAFFIC STUDY. A FEW BULLET POINT ITEMS. WE CONDUCTED A VEHICLE TRIP GENERATION BASED ON THE ITE TRIP GENERATION MANUAL. FROM THAT WE DETERMINED 180 APARTMENT UNITS ARE EXPECTED TO GENERATE APPROXIMATELY 979 DAILY TRIPS. 61 A.M. PEAK HOUR TRIPS AND 78 P.M. WE DISTRIBUTED THOSE TRIPS TO THE SURROUNDING ROADWAY BASED ON THE NORTH FLORIDA TRANSPORTATION PLANNING ORGANIZATION'S TRANSPORTATION MODEL. AND THAT MODEL PREDICTED THAT APPROXIMATELY 86 PERCENT WOULD BE DISTRIBUTED TO AND FROM THE NORTH AND THE OTHER 14 PERCENT WOULD BE DISTRIBUTED TO AND FROM THE SOUTH ALONG US17. WE COUNTED THE INTERSECTION OF US17 AND RADAR ROAD DURING THE A.M. AND P.M. PEAK PERIODS. WE ADDED BACKGROUND TRAFFIC GROWTH ALONG US17 AND ADDED OUR PROJECT TRAFFIC. FROM THAT WE'RE PROJECTING THAT THE -- REALLY THE CRITICAL VOLUME HERE IS THE OUTBOUND LEFT TURN VOLUME -- THE EASTBOUND LEFT TURN VOLUME. THE EASTBOUND APPROACH HAS A LEFT TURN OUT AND A RIGHT TURNOUT. THERE'S ALSO A SOUTHBOUND RIGHT TURN IN TO RADAR ROAD AND A NORTHBOUND LEFT TURN INTO RADAR ROAD. BUT THAT CRITICAL VOLUME IS THE EASTBOUND LEFT TURNOUT. FOR THAT VOLUME WE ARE PROJECTING 39 EASTBOUND LEFT TURNS DURING THE A.M. PEAK HOUR AND APPROXIMATELY 31 EASTBOUND LEFT TURNS DURING THE P.M. PEAK HOUR. THAT'S BASED ON THE TRIP GENERATION AND THE DISTRIBUTION AND THEN ADDING THAT TO THE EXISTING COUNT. SO, YOUR WORST CASE OF EXITING TRAFFIC IS DURING THE A.M. PEAK HOUR. AS I SAID, WITH THAT 39 EASTBOUND LEFT, THAT'S APPROXIMATELY ONE LEFT TURN EVERY 90 SECONDS. SO WE OBTAINED THE CYCLE LENGTHS FROM THE SIGNALS FROM FDOT. WE DETERMINED THE CYCLE LENGTHS DURING THE A.M. IS 2:20 AND 2:50 DURING THE P.M. PEAK HOUR. WE CONDUCTED A.M. AND P.M. PEAK HOUR SITE OBSERVATIONS. AND THE GOAL OF THOSE OBSERVATIONS WAS TO OBSERVE THE GAPS IN TRAFFIC AND ESTIMATE THE EASTBOUND LEFT TURN DELAY WHEN WE ADD IN THOSE 39 A.M. PEAK HOUR LEFT TURNS OR 31 P.M. PEAK HOUR LEFT TURNS. WE MEASURED THE NORTHBOUND GAPS DURING THE A.M. PEAK HOUR AND THE P.M. -- AND THE SOUTHBOUND GAPS DURING THE P.M. PEAK HOUR BECAUSE THE NORTHBOUND TRAFFIC IS HEAVIEST DURING THE A.M. AND THE SOUTHBOUND TRAFFIC IS HEAVIEST DURING THE P.M. DURING BOTH PEAK PERIODS WE WERE SEEING PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL GAPS. WE SAW A GAP OF 45 SECONDS. SEVERAL GRAPES BETWEEN 30-39 SECONDS AND SEVERAL OTHER GAPS OVER 20 SECONDS AS WELL. I BELIEVE THEY'D BE SUFFICIENT TO ALLOW SEVERAL EASTBOUND LEFT TURNS EACH SIGNAL CYCLE. AND WE DO NOT EXPECT THAT THE QUEUE TO GET OUT FROM RADAR ROAD ON TO US-17 WOULD BUILD UP. WE WOULD EXPECT THAT IT WOULD BUILD TO MAYBE ONE OR TWO OR THREE CARS EACH CYCLE THEN CLEAR EACH CYCLE OR AT LEAST COME CLOSE TO CLEARING EACH CYCLE. WE PLUGGED IN THE GAPS THAT WE OBSERVED AND THE TOTAL TRAFFIC INTO OUR INTERSECTION ANALYSIS SOFTWARE. AND THAT SOFTWARE WAS PREDICTING 95TH PERCENTILE QUEUE LENGTHS OF NO WORSE THAN TWO VEHICLES. WHICH WOULD MEAN THAT OUR LEFT TURN LANE QUEUE IS 95TH PERCENTILE QUEUE IS TWO VEHICLES. SO WE WOULD NOT EXPECT THAT THE QUEUE TO GET OUT OF TURNING LEFT WOULD BLOCK THAT ENTRANCE TO THE RIGHT TURN LANE GETTING OUT. ALSO THE QUEUES FROM -- THE INBOUND QUEUES FROM THOSE LONG TURN LANES ON US-17 WERE DETERMINED TO BE SUFFICIENT AS WELL. SO THAT WAS THE CAPACITY ANALYSIS. THERE WAS ALSO SAFETY CONCERNS BROUGHT UP AT THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE AND PLANNING COMMISSION TALK OF

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EITHER DIRECTIONALIZING OR CLOSING THE MEDIAN. AND THAT DECISION WOULD ULTIMATELY BE UP TO FDOT. ALL THE OTHER MEDIAN OPENINGS IN THIS AREA ARE FULL MEDIAN OPENINGS SIMILAR TO THIS ONE. BUT BASED ON PRIOR CARD THAT ITION WITH FDOT WE UNDERSTAND THAT THEY TYPICALLY WOULD CONSIDER CLOSING A MEDIAN WHEN THERE'S A CRASH HISTORY OF FIVE PER YEAR. OR WHEN THE INTERSECTION IS CLOSED TO MEETING SIGNAL WARRANTS. SO WE PULLED OVER FIVE YEARS OF CRASH HISTORY AT THIS INTERSECTION, US-17 AT RADAR ROAD, THEN ALSO THE NEXT TWO FULL MEDIAN OPENINGS TO THE SOUTH OF HERE, AS WELL AS THE ONE TO THE NORTH OF HERE. WE PULLED THOSE OTHER THREE INTERSECTIONS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THE TRAFFIC ON RADAR ROAD CURRENTLY DURING THE PEAK PERIODS IS PRETTY LIGHT. SO WE EXPECT THE EXISTING CRASHES TO BE LOW BUT WE WANTED TO LOOK AT SOME OTHER SIMILAR INTER INTERSECTIONS. FROM LOOKIN AT THOSE WE DETERMINED THAT ALL FOUR OF THOSE INTERSECTIONS THAT WE LOOKED AT, THE CORRECTABLE CRASHES PER YEAR WAS LESS THAN ONE PER YEAR. SO, WELL UNDER D.O.T.'S THRESHOLD OF FIVE WHEN THEY WOULD TYPICALLY CONSIDER CLOSING A MEDIAN OPENING. WE ALSO LOOKED AT THE SIGNAL WARRANT THRESHOLDS IN COMPARESON TO OUR PROJECTED VOLUMES AND DETERMINED THAT THIS INTERSECTION IS NOT ANTICIPATED TO BE CLOSE TO MEETING SIGNAL WARRANTS. IT SHOULD BE NOTED I PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE MENTIONED THIS AT THE BEGINNING THAT OUR TRAFFIC STUDY ONLY CONSIDERED THE EXISTING CONFIGURATION OF RADAR ROAD. WE DID NOT CONSIDER EXTENDING RADAR ROAD TO THE WEST. BUT THAT WAS THE SUMMARY OF THE STUDY. LIKE CHARLES SAID, FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE NOT COMFORTABLE MAKING THAT EASTBOUND LEFT, THERE IS A FULL MEDIAN OPENING APPROXIMATELY 750 FEET SOUTH OF RADAR ROAD WHERE THEY CAN MAKE A RIGHT THEN ANOTHER U-TURN. AND AGAIN THAT WAS THE SUMMARY. I'D BE HAPPY TO

TAKE ANY QUESTIONS. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: YOU TALKED ABOUT HOW YOU ARRIVED AT

THE 39 CARS. >> SPEAKER: YES. SO, OUR A.M. PEAK HOUR TRIP GENERATION WAS 61 TOTAL TRIPS. THAT'S BASED ON THE TRIP GENERATION MANUAL WHICH IS JUST BASED ON STUDIES OF

OTHER APARTMENT COMPLEXES ALL AROUND THE UNITED STATES. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: YOU GOT 72 PERCENT OF OUR POPULATION GOING TO JACKSONVILLE EVERY DAY TO WORK. IF YOU LOOK AT THE NUMBERS YOU'VE GOT 180 APARTMENTS IN HERE. I'D SAY A GOOD CHUNK OF THOSE ARE GOING TO

BE 2 HEADED FAMILIES. >> SPEAKER: SO THAT IS NATIONALLY A RECOGNIZED PRACTICE TO BASE IT ON THE TRIP GENERATION MANUAL. I MEAN, THE TRIP GENERATION MANUAL CONSIDERS OTHER APARTMENT COMPLEXES THAT HAVE TWO AND THREE BEDROOMS AS WELL.

>> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: IN CLAY COUNTY? >> SPEAKER: NO THIS IS BASED ON

NATIONAL DATA. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: A LOT OF THOSE NATIONAL COUNTIES HAVE GOT JOBS IN THE COUNTY. WE DON'T HAVE THAT HERE. MOST OF THE HIGH WAGE EARNING STUFF IS UP IN

JACKSONVILLE. >> MIC PLEASE. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: MOST OF THE HIGHER WAGE EARNING JOBS ARE UP IN JACKSONVILLE. 73 PERCENT OF OUR POPULATION DRIVES UP THERE EVERY DAY AND BACK. IT JUST DOESN'T RING GOOD FOR ME. I DON'T KNOW. MAYBE I'M WRONG.

>> SPEAKER: OF THOSE 61 A.M. PEAK HOUR TRIPS, 16 OF THEM WERE INBOUND AND THE OTHER 45 WERE OUTBOUND. SO THOSE 45 OUTBOUND WE DISCUSSED 86 PERCENT WOULD GO NORTH AND THE OTHER 14 PERCENT

WOULD GO SOUTH. SO, THAT IS HOW WE CAME UP WITH THE 39. >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: I HAVE A QUESTION. ON THE PEAK HOUR, WHAT IS THAT AN HOUR 60 MINUTES AND WHICH HOUR IS IT? JUST

CURIOUS. >> SPEAKER: SO THE TYPICAL -- THE TRIP GENERATION MANUAL DEFINES IT AS THE PEAK HOUR OF ADJACENT STREET TRAFFIC. DURING THE A.M. OR P.M. PEAK PERIOD.

HERE ON US-17 OUR A.M. PEAK HOUR WAS 8-9:00 A.M. AND P.M. WAS 4:45 TO 5:45 P.M.

[LAUGHTER] >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: FOLKS, BE RESPECTFUL OF THE PRESENTER BECAUSE IT MAY BE YOU UP THERE NEXT. LISTEN TO WHAT HE'S GOT TO SAY SO WE CAN UNDERSTAND WHAT HE

IS SAYING. THANK YOU. >> SPEAKER: TYPICALLY WE COUNT, YOU KNOW, WE HOLD TRAFFIC METHODOLOGY MEETING WITHES THE CITY AND THE D.O.T. AND THEY TYPICALLY REQUEST THAT THE A.M.

PEAK PERIOD BE COUNTED BETWEEN 7:00 A.M. AND 9:00 A.M. AND THAT THE P.M. PEAK PERIOD BE COUNTED BETWEEN 4:00 P.M. AND 6:00 P.M. THOSE ARE THE FOUR HOURS WE COUNTED. AND OF THOSE HOURS, 8-9

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WAS THE PEAK IN THE A.M. 4:45 TO 5:45 WAS THE PEAK IN THE P.M. >> COMMISSIONER CELLA: SO YOU ARE SAYING THERE WAS 61 DURING THE PEAK HOUR AND OUT OF THOSE 61 ONLY 39 WERE GOING TO BE THE ONES THAT WERE GOING TO BE HEADING NORTHBOUND ON 17 COMING OUT OF THIS DEVELOPMENT?

>> SPEAKER: OF THE 61, 16 ARE EXPECTING TO BE ENTERING TRIPS. SO THOSE WILL BE COMING FROM US-17 TURNING ON TO RADAR ROAD. 45 ARE EXPECTED TO BE OUTBOUND. OF THOSE 45, 39 WOULD BE TURNING

LEFT AND 6 TURNING RIGHT. >> COMMISSIONER CELLA: SO YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT ONE LEFT TURN EVERY 90 SECONDS. IS THAT DURING THE FULL DAY? SPIVACK DURING THE WORST CASE.

>> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: BUT THE GAP S ARE COMING AT WHAT TIME? >> SPEAKER: THE GAPS WE HAD ONE OVER 40 SECONDS. WE HAVE THREE BETWEEN 30 AND 39 SECONDS. THIS IS IN THE NORTHBOUND DIRECTION.

WE HAVE SIX GAPS BETWEEN 20-29 SECONDS. THIS WAS ALL MEASURED WITHIN A 30 MINUTE PERIOD. SO, NOT THE ENTIRE HOUR. IF WE WOULD HAVE MEASURED THE ENTIRE HOUR WE WOULD HAVE SEEN EVEN MORE LARGE

GAPS. >> COMM >> COMMISSIONER CELLA: WHEN YOU SAY GAP ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT JUST ON THE SOUTHBOUND SIDE. LIKE IF YOU ARE TAKING A LEFT-HAND SIDE. THE SOUTHBOUND SIDE. SO THOSE GAPS WOULD BE WHAT YOU JUST TALKED ABOUT? OR IS THAT ALL THE WAY THROUGH TO THE OTHER SIDE SO CARS CAN MAKE A COMPLETE LEFT-HAND TURN.

>> SPEAKER: THE GAPS THAT WE MEASURED WERE FOR NORTHBOUND DIRECTION ONLY BECAUSE THERE WAS ONLY ONE OF US OUT THERE AND CAN'T REALLY MEASURE THE GAPS WITH ONE PERSON LOOKING IN BOTH DIRECTIONS. SO WE TOOK THAT PERCENTAGE OF TIME BLOCKED AND LOADED IT INTO THE TRAFFIC SIMULATION SOFTWARE, APPLIED THE MORE CONSERVATIVE, YOU KNOW, LET'S SAY THE PERCENTAGE OF TIME BLOCKED DURING THE A.M. PEAK HOUR WAS 75 PERCENT BLOCKED FOR THE NORTHBOUND DIRECTION WHICH IS WHAT WE MEASURED. WE APPLIED THAT SAME 75 PERCENT TO THE SOUTHBOUND DIRECTION TO PROVIDE A CONSERVATIVE ANALYSIS. EVEN THOUGH WE EXPECT THE SOUTHBOUND DIRECTION WOULD HAVE MORE

AVAILABILITY OF GAPS BECAUSE TRAFFIC VOLUME IS LOWER. >> COMMISSIONER CELLA: SO IF THAT HAD MORE AVAILABILITY IN GAPS THAT MEANS MORE PEOPLE WOULD BE SITTING IN THE MEDIAN BETWEEN THE NORTH AND SOUTHBOUND LANES BECAUSE THEY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO MAKE IT ALL THE WAY

ACROSS. >> SPEAKER: WE ONLY OBSERVED ONE CAR SITTING IN THE MEDIAN.

THAT'S ALL I OBSERVED DURING MY TWO HOURS OF OBSERVATIONS. THE MEDIAN WIDTH OUT THERE IS NOT -- I MEAN, I CAN SEE TWO CARS LINING UP DIAGONALLY BUT I DIDN'T SEE IT DURING MY OBSERVATIONS. WHEN I SAY I COULD SEE IT, I MEAN, I COULD PICTURE IT HAPPENING BUT I NEVER

OBSERVED THAT. >> COMMISSIONER CELLA: HAVING LIVED THERE FOR 17 YEARS AND HAVING DEALT WITH 17, I'VE SEEN A LOT MORE TRYING TO GET OUT AND GET ACROSS. AND I CAN ENVISION THAT'S ONE OF THE BIG PROBLEMS I HAVE. SO, IF WE WANTED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS AND NOT DOUBTING YOUR TIMINGS AND ALL OF THE WORK THAT YOU PUT IN, BUT, AT THE SAME TIME, I WILL SAY AND SOME OF THE FOLKS HERE ON THIS WILL ALSO AGREE THAT WE'VE BEEN BURNED BY TRAFFIC STUDIES BEFORE. OKAY. SO, JUST FROM A LOGICAL STANDPOINT, IF WE'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, UPTO 84 SECOND GAPS AND 40 CARS PER HOUR, THAT'S ONE CAR EVERY MINUTE OR SO TRYING TO GET THROUGH. IT SEEMS TO ME THERE WILL BE A BIGGER QUEUE THAN ONE OR TWO CARS. BUT THAT'S JUST MY PUBLIC SCHOOL MATH AS COMPARED TO YOUR ALGORITHMS AND YOUR COMPUTER MODELS. I DID HAVE ONE OTHER QUESTION. I'LL COME BACK TO IT. IT ESCAPES ME. I MADE SOME NOTES BUT I CAN'T THINK OF WHAT THE

QUESTION WAS BASED ON THE NOTE. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: QUESTIONS? >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: I DID HAVE A QUESTION. WE DIDN'T GET OR I DIDN'T GET I CAN'T SPEAK FOR EVERYBODY ELSE, THE SITE PLAN. I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING IN MY BOOK. SUSAN, WERE WE SUPPOSED TO GET THAT?

>> SPEAKER: IT SHOULD BE IN THE ORDINANCE. UNDER TAB 13. IT'S ABOUT PAGE ELEVEN IN THE

ORDINANCE. >> COMM >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: THERE IT IS. I LOOKED ALL THROUGH HERE AND COULDN'T SEE IT EARLIER. ALL RIGHT.

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>> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: ANYESTIONS? >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: WHAT ARE WE BEING ASKED TO DO HERE? WE'RE GOING FROM PUD TO PUD. WE'VE GOT A PLAN -- WE'RE GOING FROM PUD TO PUD. WE'VE GOT A PUD THAT WAS FORMALLY APPROVED BY ANOTHER BOARD. WE'RE LOOKING AT CHANGING THE -- IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE LOOKING AT CHANGING THE BOUNDARIES AND MOVING IT UP TO LET RADAR ROAD GO THROUGH. THAT

IS WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH HERE? >> SPEAKER: NO YOU ARE ACTUALLY APPROVING THE SITE PLAN. BECAUSE IT WAS A VERY GENERIC SITE PLAN BEFORE. SO, YOU ARE APPROVING THE SITE PLAN SHOWING THE, YOU KNOW, AMENITY AREAS. THE BUILDINGS, THE UNITS.

>> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: THAT WASN'T DONE PREVIOUSLY WHEN IT WAS APPROVED?

>> SPEAKER: CORRECT. THIS IS A REVISED PLAN WHICH IS A REQUIREMENT FOR THE PUD.

>> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: SO IF WE DENY THIS, IT DOESN'T GET BUILT? >> SPEAKER: IT WOULDN'T GET

BUILT. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: COULD IT BE BUILT UNDER THE OLD PLAN.

> SPEAKER: IT WOULD STILL BE PERMITTED FOR 180 UNITS BUT IF YOU DENY PUD -- DENIED IT, ITTED

YOU WOULDN'T BE APPROVING THIS PLAN. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: COURTNEY, WE HAD SOME DISCUSSIONS EARLIER, AND I DON'T THINK -- YEAH. I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER BUT THERE WAS NOT SOME LEGAL RAMIFICATIONS AS FAR AS THE STATE REQUIREMENTS ON TRAFFIC THAT WOULD BE INCLUDED OR EXCLUDED FROM THIS PROCESS? DO YOU REMEMBER? RIGHT. ANYTHING IN CONNECTION WITH THE TRAFFIC IS SOMETHING THAT WILL BE DEALT WITH FURTHER DOWN IN THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS. IT'S NOT

PART OF THE CHANGING THE PUD TO THE ONE PUD TO THE OTHER PUD. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: SO ANYTHING WE DO HERE TODAY WILL NOT BE THE FINAL DECISION? IT WILL STILL HAVE TO CONSIDER THE TRAFFIC AT

A LATER TIME? >> THAT WON'T COME BACK TO YOU AS A BOARD. THAT WILLING HANDLED

ON A STAFF LEVEL THROUGH THE REVIEW PROCESS. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: SO WE'RE -- I'M NOT SURE PROHIBITED MAY BE TOO STRONG A WORD. BUT ARE WE PROHIBITED FROM FACTORING IN THE

TRAFFIC INFORMATION WE RECEIVED IN OUR DECISION TODAY? >> CITY ATTORNEY: I WOULDN'T SAY

PROHIBITED BUT THAT WOULD NOT BE A REASON TO DENY IT. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: OKAY.

>> COMMISSIONER CELLA: MR. CHAIR, COULD I GET DALE SMITH. BACK TO THE SIDEWALKS ALSO BACK TO SOME OF THAT. SO, DALE, YOU SAW THE ADJUSTMENT IN TERMS OF THIS AMENDMENT AND THE PROPOSED CONTRIBUTION OF $36,000 FOR THE SIDEWALK. DOES THAT TAKE CARE OF THE FULL SIDEWALK OR

WHAT DOES THAT DO? >> $36,000 IS AN ESTIMATE THAT I MADE. IT'S FOR JUST THE SIDEWALK IN FRONT OF THEIR PROPERTY. IT WILL TAKE US ANOTHER $23,000 TO GO FROM WHERE THEY END IT TO TAKE IT TO TOWN CENTER. AND THAT WOULD COME OUT OF MY SIDEWALK FUND. I HAVE A FUND TO BUILD NEW SIDEWALKS. AND I CAN ONLY USE IT FOR NEW SIDEWALKS. SO, I WOULD EXTEND IT ALL THE WAY TO TOWN CENTER. YOU KNOW, BASICALLY THROUGH THE PARK.

>> COMMISSIONER CELLA: TO THE OTHER QUESTION WOULD BE THEN IF WE ARE SUCCESSFUL IN ATTRACTING A SIGGBY GRANT FROM THE STATE D.O.T. IN TERMS OF PUTTING IN CONNECTION SO WE CAN CONNECT RADAR TO TOWN CENTER BOULEVARD BY THE ROUNDABOUT OR WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE, WE WOULD BE

ABLE TO LEAVE THAT SIDEWALK THERE? >> YES, SIR. IF WE PLANNED IT PROPERLY. SPENT A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME AND LOOK AT WHAT WE THINK THE VERTICAL ALIGNMENT OF RADAR ROAD WOULD BE AND MAKE SURE THAT WE PLACE THE SIDEWALK AT AN ELEVATION THAT IT WOULD

DRAIN TO THE NEW ROADWAY, WE COULD LEAVE IT THERE. >> COMMISSIONER CELLA: IN TERMS OF THE OTHER ASPECT OF THE AMENDMENT. AND I REALLY DON'T LIKE TO GET AMENDMENTS ON THE MINUTE THAT WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE A DECISION. SO, I'VE GOT A PROPOSAL FOR OUR FOLKS AND SEE IF THEY'LL GO ALONG WITH THAT HERE IN JUST A MOMENT. BUT THE LANDSCAPE CHANGED SO THAT WE CAN PUT THE SIGN ON THEIR PROPERTY LINE, THAT WASN'T REALLY GOING TO BE ON CHURCH BECAUSE WASN'T

THAT A RIGHT-OF-WAY ANYWAY? >> WHAT YOU HAVE IS THE CHURCH OWNS THE UNDERLYING FEE TITLE. I HAVE 100 FOOT WIDE EASEMENT THAT WAS GIVEN TO THE COUNTY BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WHEN THEY SHUT DOWN THE RADAR SITE. SO, AND THERE'S TWO OR THREE OTHER EASEMENTS. THERE'S UTILITY EASEMENTS. THE FIRST EASEMENT WOULD HAVE PRIORITY OVER THE SECOND 60 FEET.

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>> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: HOW FAR AWAY FROM BEING REALIZED? >> IT'S ONLY THE SECOND YEAR THAT IT'S BEEN TURNED INTO THE D.O.T. IT CAN TAKE THREE OR FOUR YEARS. YOU KNOW, THERE'S A MINIMAL AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT DISTRICT 2 HAS FOR ALL THEIR COUNTIES AND, YOU KNOW, IT

COMPETES WITH ALL THE OTHER PROJECTS. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: WOULD WE ENTERTAIN PUTTING THAT IN AS A COUNTY? OR IS THE RECOMMENDATION WE'LL WAIT FOR THE OUTSIDE

FUNDING? >> IF WE COULD, I'D RATHER WAIT FOR OUTSIDE FUNDING BECAUSE

THEY'LL PAY FOR 50 PERCENT OF IT. >> COMMISSIONER CELLA: THE OTHER ASPECT IS THE GRANT ALSO WOULD GIVE US THE ABILITY TO PUT A LIGHT ON 17. BECAUSE THAT'S PART

OF THE REQUEST, RIGHT. >> RIGHT. THE $3.4 MILLION HAS A LIGHT AT 17 AND AT TOWN CENTER.

>> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: WELL I LIKE THE APARTMENT COMPLEX. I LIKE GOING UP. I LIKE MORE STORIES. THAT'S GREAT WITH ME. BUT I DON'T LIKE THIS TRAFFIC MESS ON 17. I'M THINKING WHEN WE'RE DESIGNING A PROJECT AND THE WAY OUT IS TO GO OUT ON 17 AND MAKE A U-TURN TO GET GOING THE DIRECTION YOU WANT TO GO IN, THAT DOESN'T FEEL GOOD TO ME. I DON'T KNOW. I MEAN, WE CAN'T -- YOU KNOW THERE IS NOTHING WE CAN DO LEGALLY OR IS THERE TO WAIT UNTIL RADAR ROAD IS IN? I'M

ASKING. >> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: I THINK GENERALLY SPEAKING WE HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION BASED ON OUR OVERALL BELIEF IN THE COMPATIBILITY OF THE SITE.

THAT'S THE LANGUAGE IS MY UNDERSTANDING. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: SO IF WE DON'T FEEL LIKE THE ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC IS IS ABLE TO BE ABSORBED BY 17 AND WHERE IT'S GOING IN THE NEXT YEAR OR TWO THEN THE ANSWER IS I DON'T FEEL GOOD ABOUT IT, RIGHT.

>> CITY ATTORNEY: WELL NO THAT'S NOT COMPATIBILITY. IT'S WHAT'S IN THAT AREA. THE TRAFFIC AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, THE TRAFFIC IS CONSIDERED AT A DIFFERENT PHASE. IT'S NOT CONSIDERED AS PART OF YOUR ZONING AND THE COMPATIBILITY OF THE USES IN THE SURROUNDING AREA.

>> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? [LAUGHTER]

>> CITY >> CITY ATTORNEY: >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: IT MEANS EVEN THOUGH WE'RE GOING TO CROWD 17 TO FAILURE BECAUSE WE'VE ZONED THIS ALREADY THAT'S WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE AND WE CAN'T STOP IT? IS THAT WHAT YOU ARE SAYING TO ME?

>> CITY ATTORNEY: I MEAN, THE PUD HAS BEEN APPROVED. AS BETH MENTIONED THE ONLY THING BEING CHANGED IS THE SITE PLAN. I MEAN, THIS HAS ALREADY BEEN APPROVED FOR THIS NUMBER OF

UNITS. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: SO THE PREVIOUS COMMISSIONERS HAD THE

SAME DISCUSSION WE'RE HAVING NOW AS FAR AS THE TRAFFIC? >> CITY ATTORNEY: I'M NOT SURE.

>> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: IT WAS QUITE A WHILE BACK. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: I UNDERSTAND THAT BUT IF THEY'VE ALREADY APPROVED IT BASED ON PRIOR KNOWLEDGE I'M SURE A LOT OF THE FOLKS HERE HAVE ALREADY RAISED THIS AS AN ISSUE. I DON'T WANT TO GO BACK INTO THE ARCHIVES AND DIG IT OUT. BUT I'M JUST WONDERING ARE WE TRYING TO RIDE THE SAME HORSE HERE.

>> COMMISSIONER CELLA: WELL I THINK WHAT YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT IS WHETHER OR NOT THE DEVELOPMENT IS A GOOD DEVELOPMENT AND IN THE DISCUSSIONS I'VE HAD WITH MR. BRISTOL THEY HAVE A GOOD REPUTATION. I'VE CHECKED THEM OUT. I THINK IT IS A GOOD PLAN.

IT'S GOT GOOD AMENITIES. I MEAN, YOU CAN'T GET INTO THE LIGHTHOUSE APARTMENTS ON FLEMING ISLAND BECAUSE THEY'RE TOTALLY SOLD OUT ALL THE TIME. SO, I MEAN, THE BOTTOM LINE IS WE DO HAVE A NEED TO -- AND ESPECIALLY ONE BEDROOM APARTMENTS. I MEAN, WE WANT YOUNG PEOPLE TO COME BACK TO FLEMING ISLAND AND TO CLAY COUNTY AFTER THEY GRADUATE FROM SCHOOL AND THEY CAN'T DO IT AT THIS POINT AND TIME. WITH A $775 A MONTH ONE BEDROOM APARTMENT THEY MAY HAVE A SHOT AT IT. THE BIGGER PROBLEM THAT I SEE IS, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT A COUPLE OF THOUGHTS IN TERMS OF TRYING TO MAKE THINGS A LITTLE SAFER. BUT I THINK WITH THE INTRODUCTION OF THE SIDEWALK IN TERMS OF THE CONTRIBUTION AND, YOU KNOW, RIGHT TURN IN, MAYBE RIGHT TURNOUT ONLY, I THINK WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT THAT SOME MORE. SO, I WOULD ASK AT THIS POINT AND TIME IF THE APPLICANT WOULD NOT MAYBE DELAY THIS SO THAT WE CAN FLUSH ALL THIS OUT AND SEE HOW WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE THEM IN TERMS OF MAKING THINGS SAFER FOR EVERYBODY NOT JUST THE APPLICANT AND THE APARTMENT DWELLERS BUT ALSO PEOPLE THAT ARE THERE ARE ON 17.

>> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: I WOULD CERTAINLY SUPPORT THAT. I KNOW I AM NOT THE APPLICANT BUT. JUST

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FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH. >> SPEAKER: IF I COULD. I THINK MR. GRESSY WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK

IF YOU WOULD GIVE HIM A MOMENT. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: THAT WOULD BE FINE.

>> SPEAKER: JERRY GRESSY, FLEMING ISLAND. WE'VE BEEN AT THIS A LONG TIME. YOU KNOW, WE BOUGHT THIS PROPERTY IN 2008. ORIGINALLY FOR A BUSINESS PARK BUT WE BUILT THE BUSINESS PARK AND CREATED 300 JOBS IN CLAY COUNTY. THE DEMAND IS NOT SUCH THAT IT WARRANTED ANOTHER PHASE OF THAT. SO WE LOOKED FOR ALTERNATIVE USES. THIS COULD BE A HOTEL. IT COULD BE A MOTEL. IT COULD BE WAREHOUSING. IT COULD BE OFFICE BUILDINGS. IT COULD BE ANYTHING WITH NO APPROVAL NEEDED. SOME OF THOSE WOULD BE ADVERSE TO THE CHURCHES'S DESIRE. SINCE I GO THERE I'M SENSITIVE TO THAT. WE'VE BEEN APPROACHED SEVERAL TIMES OVER THE LAST THREE YEARS, FOUR YEARS, SINCE 2016, TO ALLOW AFFORDABLE UNITS TO BE BUILT ON THIS PROPERTY. AND WE TURNED THEM DOWN. BECAUSE WE DON'T FEEL THAT'S THE PROPER USE FOR THIS LAND ON FLEMING ISLAND. HOWEVER IT IS EXPENSIVE TO CARRY. THE CDD FEES ON THIS ONE PIECE ARE $160,000 A YEAR. AND 50 OF THAT IS FOR OPERATION AND MAINTENANCE OF EAGLE HARBOR. THE OTHER 90,000 HAS BEEN PAYING FOR THE IMPROVEMENT TRANSPORTATION IMPRO IMPROVEMENTS. SIX LANING OF US-17. FOUR LANING OF 220. SO, THIS PIECE HAS PAID WELL OVER A MILLION DOLLARS TO MITIGATE ITS TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENTS. THERE ARE A LOT OF DEVELOPMENTS THAT HAVEN'T PAID ANYWHERE NEAR THAT MUCH. SO WE HAVE CONCURRENCY ON 17. THIS PIECE HAS PAID WAY MORE AND IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME GETTING THIS PROJECT GOING. SO, WE'D LIKE TO KEEP IT GOING AND FINALLY BRING IN THE HOUSING WE NEED. THIS HOUSING WE NEED IS BECOMING CRITICAL BECAUSE -- ESPECIALLY WITH THE ANNOUNCEMENT OF BAPTIST THEY'RE PUTTING 700 JOBS A FEW BLOCKS AWAY FROM THIS APARTMENT COMPLEX. IT IS SORELY NEEDED. IT'S GOING TO TAKE PROBABLY BETTER THAN -- SOMEWHERE BETWEEN A YEAR AND A YEAR AND A HALF TO GET THIS FINISHED. AND THE HOSPITAL IS GOING TO START IN SPRING. SO WE HOPE TO COINCIDE WITH THAT COMPLETION AND LINE THEM UP. SO A DELAY ISN'T IMPOSSIBLE BUT IT SURE DOES PUT A CRIMP IN THE WHEELS ONCE YOU GET SOMETHING LIKE THIS ROLLING TO JUST STOP IT OVER TRAFFIC THAT WE HAVE PAID A GREAT DEAL OF MONEY TO MITIGATE. IF ANYBODY'S PAID THEIR SHARE TO MAKE THE TRAFFIC ON FLEMING ISLAND BETTER, THIS PIECE HAS

PAID IT. SO THANK YOU. >> COMMISSIONER CELLA: THANK YOU, JERRY.

>> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: THAT'S THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STORY. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: MR. CELLA?

>> COMMISSIONER CELLA: WELL I ASKED THE APPLICANT POINT BLANK QUESTION AND I DIDN'T GET AN ANSWER. I GOT MR. AGRESTY AND HE GAVE US GOOD HISTORY. THE ONLY OTHER ASPECTS THAT NOT BEEN DISCUSSED AND I TALKED TO CHIEF MOCK THIS MORNING IS THAT WE'VE GOT ON FIGURE OUT FROM A FIRE SAFETY STANDPOINT WHERE TO PUT A LADDER TRUCK. WE CAN REACH THREE STORIES. WE CAN'T REACH FOUR STORIES. WE'LL HAVE TO DO THAT BECAUSE BAPTIST IS GOING TO GO UP MORE THAN FOUR STORIES. BUT AT THAT POINT THAT WE'VE GOT A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME TO BE ABLE TO DEAL WITH THAT THAN IF WE WERE PUTTING APARTMENT BUILDINGS UP IN A YEAR OR YEAR AND A HALF. SO, I ASKED IF WE COULDN'T HAVE A DELAY TO WORK ALL THOSE THINGS OUT AND TAKE A LOOK AT THE TRAFFIC ONCE AGAIN AND I'LL PUT THAT ON THE TABLE. OTHERWISE THEN I'LL, YOU KNOW, LET THE CHIPS FALL WHERE THEY ARE.

>> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: MAYBE IF WE COULD NARROW DOWN THE DELAY TIME, THAT MIGHT HELP M MM MR. AGRESTY. I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH TIME WE'RE LOOKING AT TO

COME TO A RESOLUTION. >> COMMISSIONER CELLA: I WOULD THINK NO LATER THAN THIS MEETING NEXT MONTH. WHEN WE USUALLY DO PLANNING AND ZONING WE'LL MOVE IT TO NEXT MONTH. WE WANT ENOUGH

TIME TO GET TOGETHER TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: WOULD 30

DAYS BE ACCEPTABLE OR IS THAT GETTING INTO ANOTHER AREA? >> SPEAKER: WE WOULD HAVE TO --

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WE HAVE SOME DEADLINES IN THE CONTRACT THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE MODIFIED BUT HE JUST SAID HE

WOULD DO THEM AND I'LL DO THEM. SO, WE'LL DO THAT. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: 30 DAYS IS

AN ACCEPTABLE? >> SPEAKER: YEP >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: SO THIS

WOULD BE THE SECOND BCC MEETING IN MARCH. >> SPEAKER: I'D RATHER GET IT

RIGHT IF IT'S JUST 30 DAYS. IF IT DRAGGED ON, NOT SO MUCH. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: I FEEL CONFIDENT IF WE CAN'T DO IT IN 30 DAYS THEN WE NEED TO GET OTHER PEOPLE. LET'S GO AHEAD AND CAN I GET JUST A -- I DON'T THINK WE NEED A MOTION ON THAT BUT WE CAN GET CONSENSUS THAT OR

DO WE. >> CITY ATTORNEY: YOU STILL NEED TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. YOU CAN DO A MOTION BUT YOU NEED TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR COMMENTS THAT PEOPLE THAT ARE

HERE. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: I'VE TAKEN ALL THE PUBLIC COMMENTS ON THIS.

>> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING. >> CITY ATTORNEY: IF THEY WOULD

LIKE TO SPEAK THEY HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: OKAY. WE'LL DO SO. FOR THOSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS PARTICULAR ITEM, COME ON.

>> PUBLIC SPEAKER: SORRY I HAVE TO DRAG THIS WITH ME. I STATED MY NAME BEFORE AND MY ADDRESS.

ANYWAY I'D LIKE TO APPLAUD THE DEVELOPMENT ASSOCIATION FOR CONSIDERING THE BUFFER SITUATION THAT WAS VERY GOOD ON THEIR PART. THE TRAFFIC IS A BIG PROBLEM. I DON'T AGREE WITH ANY OF THE TRAFFIC STUDIES. I DON'T THINK THEY WERE MADE IN USING STATISTICS THAT APPLY TO OUR AREA. SO, I DO AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER CELLA AND COMMISSIONER BOLLA ON THOSE. AND I AM GLAD THAT YOU HAVE DECIDED TO TRY TO TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION WHEN YOU ARE LOOKING AT GIVING THIS APPROVAL. THE FOUR STORIES. THE CONCERN THAT I HAVE IS THE ONE ACTUALLY COMMISSIONER CELLA SAID ABOUT THE FIRE TRUCKS. SAME THING WITH ROOF REPAIRS. I HAVE SOMEBODY I KNOW THAT WORKS WITH ROOF REPAIRS AND MAINTENANCE ON APARTMENT COMPLEXES. IT IS VERY DIFFICULT FOR THEM TO GET EQUIPMENT THAT CAN TAKE THEM UP TO THAT HEIGHT. SO, I'M JUST KIND OF CURIOUS BY GOING WITH CERTAIN HEIGHTS HOW WE'RE GOING TO ADDRESS THAT IN THE FUTURE WHEN THOSE REPAIRS BECOME NECESSARY. SO, I AM GLAD YOU ARE TAKING A LOOK AT IT. I THINK IT IS A GOOD USE FOR THE LAND. I SEE THAT ECHOED BY PEOPLE WHO LIVE THERE. SO I AM GLAD ABOUT THAT. I THINK IT IS A GOOD DEVELOPMENT AND I'M GLAD YOU ARE TAKING TIME TO CONSIDER WHAT CAN BE DONE ABOUT TRAFFIC ISSUES. PERHAPS THERE'S A WAY WE CAN REROUTE IT SOMEWHERE. I'M NOT SURE I AREN'T HAVEN'T REALLY LOOKED AT THE PLANS BUT THAT IS ONE BIG CONCERN WITH THIS. THANK

YOU. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE?

>> PUBLIC SPEAKER: DO YOU REMEMBER ME NOW? JAMES AUTO 2908 BLANDING BOULEVARD. AFFORDABLE LAND MAINTENANCE. AS WE ALL KNOW WE GOT AIR B AND B AND HOME ALONE AND THEY'RE RENTING ROOMS OUT. WITH ALL THIS OVERPRICED HOUSING THAT PEOPLE CAN'T AFFORD WHY NOT JUST RENT THEM A ROOM IN YOUR HOUSE. YOU WILL HAVE TO PAY TAXES ON IT. OF COURSE, YOU SHOULD. BUT THAT WOULD BE A GOOD OUT FOR THAT. I'M DEFINITELY IN SUPPORT. I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS ABOUT THE ROADS ARE OVER PACKED. I MEAN, WE KEEP HEARING ABOUT APPROVING STUFF AND YOU GUYS DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS SITTING RIGHT THERE. THAT YOU GOT TO APPROVE IT. THAT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE TO ME AT ALL. THAT YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING IN AND YOU ARE APPROVING OTHER STUFF.

THAT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE IT IS A GOOD THING FOR THE COUNTY. ANOTHER LIGHT ON 17. ANOTHER U-TURN. DON'T WE KNOW ABOUT THAT ON BLANDING BOULEVARD ALREADY? YOU KNOW, WAIT UNTIL THAT ROAD AND, YOU KNOW, THE SYSTEM CAN TAKE ON SOMETHING LIKE THAT. I DON'T SEE HOW YOU CAN BE PUSHED IN AND FORCED TO DO SOMETHING. I THINK A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN 30 DAYS WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE TO FIGURE OUT SOME OF THIS STUFF. YOU KNOW, FLEMING ISLAND AND THESE OTHER AREAS THEY BUILT UP WITHOUT THE IMPACT FEE. SO, OF COURSE YOU DON'T HAVE THE STRUCTURE IN PLACE FOR THESE KIND OF DEVELOPMENTS TO COME IN. SO, I MEAN, TOUGH. I'VE SAID THAT MANY TIMES. I COME HERE AND I DRIVE OVER THE WHOLE COUNTY. WE JUST HAD ANOTHER STORM COME THROUGH HERE. THERE'S NO FEMA MONEY COMING FOR THAT. WE GOT TO FIGURE OUT WHERE OUR BUDGET'S AT. I KNOW BUT THESE PEOPLE THAT ARE YOU ARE PUTTING HERE ARE GOING TO BE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE STORM WHEN IT

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COMES THROUGH AND YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE TO DO SOMETHING FOR THEM RIGHT. I MEAN, THEY ARE GOING TO BE HERE IN CLAY COUNTY. I MEAN, ISN'T THAT REALLY -- IT'S NOT REALLY TOO FAR OFF THE SUBJECT BECAUSE YOU ARE ALLOWING ALL THIS GROWTH TO BE HERE. WHEN THE STORM AND FLOODING COMES AND YOU DON'T HAVE ANY FEDERAL MONEY COMING IN AND YOU DONE BORROWED $130 MILLION TO A COUPLE OF ROADS IN THE COUNTY AND YOU HAVE NO MONEY AND YOU GOT TO SEARCH FOR WAYS TO GET PEOPLE TO COME HERE AND YOU DROP THE IMPACT FEES AGAIN LIKE MR. BOLLA SAID, THERE'S NO GUARANTEE THESE IMPACT FEES ARE GOING TO BE THERE NEXT YEAR. THEY'VE BEEN GONE FOR TEN YEARS. SO HOW ARE WE GOING TO SIT HERE AND, YOU KNOW, WE'VE ASKED OVER AND OVER FOR MORATORIUM ON EXACTLY THIS KIND OF A PROBLEM. FOR THIS TO JUST POP UP LIKE OH MY GOSH WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO. I MEAN, THAT'S INSANE. YOU'VE SAT HERE AND LET THIS -- EVERYTHING PRETTY MUCH GO. LET'S APPROVE IT. LET'S APPROVE IT. LET'S APPROVE IT. WELL THE JOBS AREN'T HERE TO APPROVE WHAT YOU ARE

APPROVING. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: THANK YOU MR. AUTO. ANY OTHER COMMENTS?

YES, SIR, COME FORWARD. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: DENNIS MATHENY 1925 GREEN SPRINGS CIRCLE FLEMING ISLAND. THIS IS MY FIRST TIME HERE. I REALLY APPRECIATE THE GENTLEMAN TALKING ABOUT WHAT ABOUT THE FIRE TRUCK. WHO GOING TO PAY FOR THAT? I WAS MENTIONING PUBLIC SAFETY.

PULLING OUT ON 17 IS TOUGH NOW. IT'S GREAT THEY DO A STUDY WHEN THERE'S ONE PULLING OUT BUT WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO WHEN THERE'S 180 APARTMENTS AND 100 PULLING OUT? SO, I THINK IT'S ABOUT PUBLIC SAFETY. WHO IS GOING TO BE LIABLE FOR THE INJURIES FROM THEM PEOPLE IN THOSE APARTMENTS THAT PULL OUT THERE NOW THAT THE STUDY SAYS ONE ACCIDENT AND THERE'S GOING TO BE TEN. I KNOW I DRIVE ON 17 A LOT. I'M NEW HERE BUT BOY I'LL TELL YOU WHAT, I'VE DROVE IN A LOT OF THIS COUNTRY ON A MOTORCYCLE AND THIS IS AMAZING, 17. IN A NATIONWIDE STUDY, THIS IS CLAY COUNTY. THIS IS NOT CALIFORNIA. SO, I DON'T REALLY LIKE STUDIES LIKE THAT UNLESS THEY'RE DONE EXACTLY WHERE THEY'RE AT. I APPRECIATE YOU TAKING AND EXTENDING THIS ON FOR YOUR DECISION. SO, THANK

YOU FOR LETTING ME SPEAK. I APPRECIATE IT. HAVE A GOOD DAY. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: THANK YOU.

SIR, COME UP. YOU WERE KIND OF IN LINE. I'LL GET TO YOU BROTHER.

>> PUBLIC SPEAKER: THANK YOU. I DON'T DO THIS OFTEN. I'M NOT AN EXPERT PUBLIC SPEAKER. BUT MY COMMENTS TONIGHT ARE RELEVANT TO ANY OF THE REZONING THAT'S GOING ON IN THIS AREA RIGHT NOW. I MADE AN INTERESTING OBSERVATION. I'M STANDING HERE OR SITTING AND STANDING AND I NOTICED ALL THE PEOPLE THAT ARE TRYING TO GET THIS DONE, ONE FIRM IS FROM CHICAGO, NEW YORK, JACKSONVILLE, TENNESSEE, NONE OF THEM WERE FROM CLAY COUNTY. AND I'D JUST LIKE TO ASK FOR A SHOW OF HANDS OF RESIDENTS OF CLAY COUNTY IN THIS ROOM THAT ARE IN THIS ROOM RIGHT NOW. ANYONE THAT'S A RESIDENT OF CLAY COUNTY AND -- OKAY. OF THOSE FOLKS DO YOU FEEL THAT THIS HAS BECOME A SAFETY ISSUE NOW ON THE ROADS AND HIGHWAYS IN THE AREA? HOW MANY FEEL THIS. SHOW OF HANDS. THIS HAS GOTTEN BEYOND OBNOXIOUS AND INTRUSIVE TO THE NEIGHBORHOODS. OKAY. IT IS A SAFETY ISSUE NOW.

AND EVERYONE HERE WHO MAKES A DECISION SHOULD HOLD RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE NEXT ACCIDENT THAT HAPPENS. RUSSELL ROAD -- I KNOW THAT'S NOT THE ONE ON THE RECORD RIGHT NOW.

RUSSELL ROAD HAS BECOME A SUICIDE HIGHWAY. IT IS NOT SAFE TO DRIVE THERE. NOBODY DOES THE SPEED LIMIT. THERE'S ONLY TWO LANES. THERE'S DOUBLE YELLOW LINES. THERE'S BEEN MULTIPLE FATALITIES ON THAT ROAD. THE COUNTY AND THE STATE OR WHOEVER'S INVOLVED HAS TO COME UP WITH SOME KIND OF INFRASTRUCTURE PLAN FOR THESE ROADS TO BE EXPANDED BEFORE THESE KINDS OF PROJECTS TAKE PLACE OR MORE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO GET HURT. IT'S BEYOND THAT.

THE OTHER THING IS WHO ARE WE REPRESENTING UP HERE. THE RESIDENTS OF CLAY COUNTY OR PEOPLE WITH FIRMS IN CHICAGO, NEW YORK, JACKSONVILLE, TENNESSEE? WHO ARE WE REPRESENTING? WHO DO YOU REPRESENT? I ENCOURAGE YOU TO CONSIDER YOUR VOTE TONIGHT AND THE FOLKS THAT ARE HERE THAT AREN'T IN APPROVAL OF THESE KIND OF THINGS. WE'VE GOT TO GET THE INFRASTRUCTURE UNDER CONTROL BEFORE WE CONTINUE THIS EXPANSIVE SPRAWLING THAT'S BEEN

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TAKING PLACE FOR THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS. I FORGOT TO MENTION MY NAME. I'M DOUG MANNED, 3672 ST. ANDREWS COURT MAGNOLIA POINT, PHASE II SUBDIVISION. I AM A NATIVE FLORIDIAN. AND I'VE BEEN WATCHING THIS WHOLE SHOW. SO, PLEASE BEFORE YOU VOTE THINK ABOUT WHAT YOU ARE DOING AND WHAT IT'S GOING TO -- HOW IT'S GOING TO AFFECT ALL THESE PEOPLE IN THIS ROOM WHO EXPECT YOU TO REPRESENT THEIR BEST INTERESTS AND THINK A LITTLE LESS OF THE PEOPLE THAT ARE FROM CHICAGO, NEW YORK, JACKSONVILLE, TENNESSEE. THANK YOU.

>> CHAIRM

>> CHAIRMAN HENDRY:. >> I JUST WANTED TO MAKE A COMMENT ABOUT I DON'T KNOW -- MY NAME IS GEORGE. I LIVE IN THE BACK OF SILVER CREEK SUBDIVISION. BUT ANYWAY WE WENT TO SOUTHEAST ORTHOPEDICS YESTERDAY AND I WAS ABSOLUTELY SHOCKED, MAYBE YOU ALL KNOW THIS, BUT THERE ARE FOUR SCHOOL BUS STOPS ON US-17 GOING NORTH BETWEEN 8:00 AND 9:00 IN THE MORNING. AND THE YOUNG MAN THAT DID THE TRAFFIC STUDY, DID YOU KNOW THAT? ALL THREE LANES GOING NORTHBOUND STOPPED FOR THE SCHOOL BUS. AT THAT TIME OF DAY. I JUST THOUGHT THAT WAS QUITE

UNUSUAL. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: I'M SORRY. GO AHEAD. I AM ALSO A MEMBER OF THE GRACE CHURCH NEXT DOOR. AND I LIKE THE PLAN FOR THE APARTMENT COMPLEX RIGHT THERE. MY ONLY CONCERN IS THAT THE MEDIAN ON 17 RIGHT THERE, IT SEEMS TO -- FROM THE CENTER LINE MEDIAN THAT'S CONCRETE RIGHT THERE FROM THE NORTH SIDE IT DOES SEEM TO EXTEND FURTHER SOUTH WHEN YOU ARE TRYING TO TURN LEFT. AND THE ROAD SURFACE IS KIND OF AT DIFFERENT HEIGHTS RIGHT THERE I THINK. SO IT'S JUST SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT AND MAYBE YOU CAN HASH OUT OVER THE NEXT MONTH

THAT LEFT TURN ISSUE. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: I SAW THAT. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: THANK YOU.

>> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: MA'AM, HURRY BEFORE SOMEBODY ELSE GRAB BIZ IT.

>> PUBLIC SPEAKER: HI. GOOD EVENING. TERESA ARELLANO. I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING PREPARED TONIGHT AND I KIND OF GOT -- BECAME AWARE OF SOME OF THESE PARTICULARS THAT ARE GOING ON HERE IN THE RECENT PAST. I'VE LIVED IN THIS COUNTY FOR 50 YEARS. AND GREW UP HERE, WENT TO ALL THE GREEN COVE SCHOOLS, CLAY HIGH ALL THE WAY UP. I AM A TEACHER NOW IN CLAY COUNTY IN ORANGE PARK. THERE WAS MENTION MADE ABOUT HAVING -- WANTING TO ATTRACT PEOPLE BACK TO THIS AREA AFTER THEY GROW UP AND COME BACK. I'M SOMEBODY WHO HAS BEEN HERE WHO HAS BEEN AWAY AND MOVED BACK HERE. I'M REALLY FRUSTRATED. MY MOTHER STILL LIVES ON RUSSELL ROAD. I GREW UP ON COUNTY ROAD 209 AND FOR A WHILE LIVED ON RUSSELL WHEN ATTENDING GRADUATE SCHOOL. IT'S VERY DIFFICULT FOR ME TO GET OUT ON TO RUSSELL ROAD ANYMORE WITHOUT HAVING TO DRIVE IN A CIRCLE IN MY MOTHER'S YARD AND GO OUT FRONT FACING. AS THE GENTLEMAN WHO SPOKE BEFORE ME MENTIONED THERE'S BEEN SEVERAL FATAL ACCIDENTS ON THAT ROAD. THE TRAFFIC IS RIDICULOUS TO TRY TO GET OUT ON THAT ROAD. MY 78-YEAR-OLD MOTHER IS HAPPY SHE RETIRED AS A SCHOOLTEACHER A FEW YEARS AGO BECAUSE THE AMOUNT OF TIME IT TAKES TO GET UP TO HER SCHOOL IS DOUBLED. IN A BROADER SENSE, I HATE TO SAY THIS IS A BAD SORT OF CLICHE BUT YOU LOSE THE FOREST THROUGH THE TREES.

ALL OF THESE STUDIES AND I UNDERSTAND THERE'S DEVELOPMENT THAT NEEDS TO GO ON HERE. BUT HOW DEVELOPERS COME IN AND SCRAPE THE PROPERTY OFF, IT MAKES ME SICK TO DRIVE OUT WHERE I GREW UP EITHER SIDE OF 17 AND SEE THESE PROPERTIES BEING DEVELOPED AND JUST STRIPPED CLEAN. AND I GREW UP RIDING MY BIKE, RUNNING AROUND IN THE WOODS. YOU CAN'T CO THAT ANYMORE. YOU CAN'T RIDE YOUR BIKES. HOW MUCH MORE DENSITY, HOW MANY HOUSES ARE YOU GOING TO CRAM INTO THESE PLACES TO WHERE PEOPLE LIKE ME DON'T WANT TO LIVE HERE ANYMORE? THAT'S A QUESTION FOR YOU TO CONSIDER. GREEN SPACES ARE IMPORTANT. IT'S NOT HOW MANY PEOPLE YOU CAN PACK ON A STRIPPED DOWN, SCRAPED OFF LOT. THANK YOU. [APPLAUSE]

>> PUBLIC SPEAKER: GOOD EVENING, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. CHARLES HODGES, COUNTY ROAD 315, KEYSTONE HEIGHTS FLORIDA. ONCE AGAIN WE SEE AN OUT OF TOWN DEVELOPER COME TO OUR SMALL TOWN AND THEY WANT TO BUILD. I HAVE NOTHING AGAINST THAT. THE PROBLEM IS LOOK AT THE PROBLEM

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THEY'RE ALREADY CAUSING. BEFORE WE EVEN DISCUSS THIS WE'VE ALREADY GOT A TRAFFIC ISSUE.

WE'VE GOT A FIRE TRUCK ISSUE. I MEAN, CHIEF MOTT WHAT IS THAT FIRE TRUCK GOING TO COST US? SO, THERE'S A MILLION DOLLARS RIGHT THERE OKAY. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE A RED LIGHT TO MAKE THIS EVEN HALFWAY FEASIBL TO WORK. SO, AGAIN IT'S GOING TO COST YOU GUYS MORE MONEY WHICH IN TURN COSTS US TAXPAYERS MORE MONEY. EVERY SINGLE TIME THESE FOLKS COME HERE TO DO SOMETHING IT ALWAYS HAS A CATCH THAT COSTS US MONEY. OKAY. THEY'RE GOING TO PAY $30,000 FOR SIDEWALK, WE GOT TO PAY NEARLY $30,000 AS WELL. ALL I HEAR FROM THIS BOARD ALL THE TIME IS WE DO NOT HAVE THE MONEY TO DO THINGS IN THIS COUNTY. YET AS SOON AS A DEVELOPER WALKS IN, BAM, HERE WE GO AGAIN. AND THIS LADY RIGHT HERE IS VERY TALENTED AT WHAT SHE DOES AND I CAN READILY ASSURE YOU IF SHE PUT HER MIND SO IT WE'D BE SUB-DIVIDING THIS ROOM AND BUILDING HOUSES ON IT AND YOU GUYS WOULD PAY FOR IT. BEFORE IT WAS OVER WE'VE HAD A DAMN D.O.T. GRANT AND HAVE A BRIDGE UP HERE. THIS IS HOW IT WORKS. THIS IS THE VIEW FOR THE CITIZENS THIS COUNTY. WE SEE IT ALL THE TIME. IF YOU ARE GOING TO CONTINUE DEVELOP A PIECE OF PROPERTY MAKE IT WORK. DO THE WHOLE JOB END TO END. DON'T LEAVE THE COUNTY AND TAXPAYERS HANGING WITH A PROBLEM. AND THEY'RE TELLING YOU ABOUT THIS TRAFFIC STUDY. EVERYBODY HERE KNOWS 90 PERCENT OF THE PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTY WORK IN DUVAL COUNTY. YOU ARE NOT LEAVING HERE AT 8 IN THE MORNING TO GO TO YOUR JOB. YOU ARE LEAVING AT 5:30 A.M. TO TRY TO BEAT THE STUDY. YOU DIDN'T HEAR THE TRAFFIC STUDY STATE THAT. CONSTANT ISSUES WITH TRAFFIC. A RED LIGHT IS GOING TO SOLVE FIT AM I WOULD IMAGINE HE WOULD PROBABLY NEGOTIATE WITH YOU A RED LIGHT BECAUSE HE IS TIRED OF PAYING TAXES ON THIS THING. HAVE YOUR DEVELOPERS BRING SOMETHING TO THE TABLE THAT COMPLETES THE JOB NOT LEES YOU A LASTING PROBLEM. BECAUSE WHAT WILL HAPPEN AFTER THIS IS BUILT THESE GUYS ARE GONE. THEY'RE DONE. THEIR PERMITS ARE COMPLETED THEY'RE OUT OF HERE AND YOU INHERIT THE PROBLEM AND THERE WE'RE GOING TO BE BONDING SOMETHING TO FIX AN ISSUE WE ARE

NEVER GOING TO HAVE. THANK YOU. [APPLAUSE] >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: I'M GOING TO BE BRIEF. I'M KELLY DEVANEY AND I'M NEW. THIS HAS BEEN A DREAM OF OURS TO MOVE HERE. THIS HAS BEEN AN INCREDIBLE DREAM. I'M SO SORRY I'M SO EMOTIONAL BUT I'VE WAITED 38 YEARS TO COME TO A TOWN LIKE CLAY COUNTY. AND I'VE TALKED TO A LOT OF PARENTS TODAY. A LOT OF PARENTS IN CAR CARPOOL AND A LOT OF PARENTS WITH SMALL KIDS WHO HAVE ALSO COME HERE FROM VERY LARGE CITIES AND KNOW WHAT IT'S LIKE TO HAVE APARTMENT BUILDINGS AND A LOT OF TRAFFIC AND A LOT OF ACCIDENTS. AND WHAT BROUGHT ME HERE FROM BLOOMINGTON, MINNESOTA, ALL THE WAY UP THERE WHERE I TALK TO ANYONE AROUND HERE AND THEY SAID WHY DID YOU COME HERE? WHY DID YOU MOVE HERE? YOU COULD HAVE MOVED ANYWHERE. $10,000 TO MOVE ACROSS THE COUNTRY WITH YOUR K KIDS. TO UPROOT THEM OUT OF THEIR SCHOOLS. AND THEY'RE HERE WITH ME BECAUSE THEY KNOW HOW IMPORTANT THIS IS. WE BOUGHT OUR HOUSE AND WE LIVE IN SILVER CREEK NEIGHBORHOOD. I'M SO SORRY I'M SUCH AN EMOTIONAL NUT. BUT I AM A MOM. I'M A LICENSED TEACHER AND A MOM. AND WE BOUGHT OUR HOUSE IN SILVER CREEK NEIGHBORHOOD FOR THE SAKE OF THIS. OUT THERE IS NOT BETTER. I CAN TELL YOU THAT. IF YOU WANT OUT THERE, MOVE CLOSER TO JACKS JACKSONVILLE. IF YOU WANT TO LIVE IN, YOU KNOW, OAK LEAF WHERE THEY PUT UP A LOT OF APARTMENTS AND A LOT OF PEOPLE MOVED RIGHT BACK OUT OF OAK LEAF BECAUSE OF ALL THE APARTMENTS, THEY CAN GO THERE. I KNOW IT'S NOT UP TO ALL OF YOU, I'M JUST ASKING FOR YOU TO CONSIDER THESE THINGS. BECAUSE I WENT DOOR-TO-DOOR TODAY AND I TALKED TO MY NEIGHBORS AND HALF OF THEM WHO ARE NOT ON FACEBOOK OR THE NEXT DOOR WEBSITE DID NOT KNOW THAT THEY WANT TO PUT UP ALL OF THIS STUFF. THEY DIDN'T KNOW WHAT WAS GOING ON. THEY HAD NO IDEA. AND THAT TO ME SAYS THAT THEY'RE KIND OF BEING ROBBED OF THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD, OF THEIR COMMUNITY THAT THEY PAID TAXES FOR WHICH WENT UP QUITE A BIT. I JUST FEEL LIKE THINGS REALLY NEED TO BE CONSIDERED FOR FAMILIES. I AM A YOUNG FAMILY. WE ARE A YOUNG FAMILY. AND I'M HERE FOR ALL OF THOSE MOMS WHO I TALKED TO TODAY AND SAID, NO, WE DON'T WANT TO STAY HERE IF

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THEY'RE GOING TO BE PUTTING UP APARTMENT BUILDINGS LEFT AND RIGHT. I'M SORRY, BUT STATISTICS SHOW THERE'S GOING TO BE MORE CRIME, MORE VANDALISM. WE'VE ALREADY GOT CARS BEING BROKEN INTO FROM PEOPLE THAT COME FROM THE RON VANZANT PARK. AND YOU ARE LOOKING AT REZONING THINGS.

AND I THINK WHAT YOU'VE ALREADY BUILT IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT YOU'VE ALREADY DONE, THEY'RE BEAUTIFUL. THEY'RE WONDERFUL. I MEAN, IT IS A DREAM COME TRUE TO SOMEONE WHO IS A YOUNG FAMILY TRYING TO RAISE KIDS WHOSE COME FROM A BUSY CITY AND DOESN'T WANT TO LOOK AT THAT ANYMORE. I KIND OF FAVOR THE OLD-FASHIONED LIFESTYLE FOR MY KIDS. THEY'RE GROWING UP TOO FAST. AND I JUST BELIEVE THAT THERE SHOULD STILL BE A PLACE, A NEIGHBORHOOD, AN AREA THAT ISN'T SO CROWDED.

>> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: THANK YOU, MA'AM. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: THANK YOU.

[APPLAUSE] [APPLAUSE] >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: I THINK WE'VE EXHAUSTED THE COMMENTARY ON THIS TOPIC SO -- YES, MA'AM? YOU HAVE SPOKEN A COUPLE OF

TIMES HAVEN'T YOU? >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: I JUST HAVE ONE THING I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT I DIDN'T SAY BEFORE. I'VE TALKED WITH PEOPLE ABOUT THE AREA OF FLEMING ISLAND. MY MOTHER LIVES THERE. SHE IS A LONG-TIME RESIDENT OF CLAY COUNTY. AS MY PARENTS AGE THEIR NEEDS CHANGE. SO, ONE OF THE THINGS SHE'S FACING RIGHT NOW IS POTENTIAL FOR DOWNSIZING. THE PROBLEM IS SHE HAS NOWHERE WITHIN FLEMING ISLAND TO DOWNSIZE TO. SHE LOVES THE AIR.

SHE'S COMFORTABLE WITH IT. THAT'S WHERE HER DOCTORS ARE. SHE KNOWS WHERE THE STORES ARE.

AT HER AGE SHE DOESN'T WANT TO HAVE TO RELEARN ANOTHER AREA. HOWEVER WE DON'T HAVE ANY SINGLE FAMILY 55-PLUS COMMUNITIES THAT OFFER ANY TYPE OF ASSISTED LIVING SERVICES. WHAT WE'RE BUILDING NOW ARE ASSISTED LIVING FACILITIES THAT MIMIC APARTMENTS. THEY HAVE NO YARD.

THEY'RE NOT APPEALING TO PEOPLE LIKE MY MOTHER AT ALL. SO, I SEE WE ARE PUTTING MORE OF THOSE IN. THAT'S GREAT FOR THOSE PEOPLE WHO NEED AND WANT THAT. HOWEVER, WE NEED SOME SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES THAT ARE AFFORDABLE THAT DON'T HAVE HOA'S DICTATING IF YOUR LAWN GETS A LITTLE HIGH YOU ARE GOING TO GET A LIEN ON YOUR HOUSE, TELLING YOU IF YOU NEED TO CUT A TREE LIMB DOWN YOU GOT TO GO TO COMMITTEE TO APPROVE IT. WE NEED SOME SIMPLE, LOWER COST, SMALLER HOMES WITHIN THE AREA THAT WOULD ACCOMMODATE THOSE PEOPLE. THIS PARTICULAR USE -- I KNOW THEY'VE ALREADY GONE TO A LOT OF TROUBLE TO LOOK AT APARTMENT COMPLEXES, BUT THIS COULD HAVE BEEN A SENIOR SINGLE FAMILY UNIT SUBDIVISION. IT WOULD ALLEVIATE A LOT OF THE TRAFFIC ISSUES BECAUSE GUESS WHAT THEY ONLY GO PLACES LIKE THE DOCTORS AND GROCERY STORES. THEY'RE NOT COMMUTING TO WORK EVERY DAY TWICE A DAY. SO, PERHAPS WHEN LOOKING AT FUTURE LAND USE IN THE AREA WE COULD CONSIDER THOSE TYPE OF THINGS. AS WELL AS SOME SMALLER HOMES FOR THE NEW FAMILIES WHO WANT TO COME OUT HERE AND HAVE A YARD AND NOT BE TEN FEET FROM THEIR NEIGHBORS. I MEAN, ONE OF THE THINGS WE HAD A PROBLEM WITH MANY YEARS AGO IS SCHOOLTEACHERS AND POLICE OFFICERS AND THE EMPLOYEES OF THIS COUNTY WHO LOOK TO BE HERE FOR LONG-TERM CAREERS COULD NOT AFFORD ANY OF THE HOUSING IN THE COUNTIES. NOT EVEN THE MOBILE HOMES IN MIDDLEBURG. THEY COULDN'T AFFORD THEM. THERE WAS NO AFFORDABLE HOUSING FOR THOSE PEOPLE. SO, YET WE'RE BRINGING DEVELOPERS IN WHOSE HOUSING PRICES START IN THE HIGH 100S. THAT'S ON SOME OF THEM. MOST ARE

STARTING IN THE 2 HUNDREDS AND 3 HUNDREDS AND HAD HUNDREDS. >> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS:

MR. CHAIR SHE IS HER SECOND TIME WITHIN THIS TOPIC. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: I JUST WANTED TO PROPOSE POTENTIAL ALTERNATIVES FOR LAND USES IN THIS AREA THAT ARE NEEDED OUT THERE. THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO GREW UP WHO ARE IN THE SAME SITUATION IN THE FLEMING ISLAND PLANTATION AREA AS MY MOTHER WHO ARE LOOKING TO DOWNSIZE AND HAVE NOWHERE TO DO IT.

>> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: THANK YOU MA'AM. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA:, DALE, CHIEF ENGINEER, DO WE HAVE ANOTHER ENGINEERING PERSON AROUND? I WAS GOING TO ASK, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THE POSSIBILITY OF PUTTING RADAR ROAD THROUGH AS A GRAVEL ROAD? TEMPORARY. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THAT COULD SOLVE SOME OF THIS ISSUE WITH THE TRAFFIC. ALLOW THE PROJECT TO GO FORWARD.

AND WHEN WE CAN CATCH UP AND HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO MAKE IT A REAL ROAD THAT'S A QUESTION I

HAVE WITH MR. SMITH OFF-LINE. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: MAYBE THAT COULD BE ADDRESS IN THE 30 DAY

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PERIOD. >> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: I THINK WE'RE A ALL IN AGREEMENT WE'RE NOT MAKING A DECISION TONIGHT. WE HEARD FROM PEOPLE BUT WE ALREADY AGREED TO WAIT.

>> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: DO WE NEED A MOTION ON THIS 30 DAY EXTENSION ON THIS TOPIC, COURTNEY OR JUST

CONSENSUS? >> CITY ATTORNEY: YOU NEED A MOTION AND TO SET THE DATE FOR

WHEN IT WILL BE CONTINUED TO. >> COMM >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: I'LL MAKE THE MOTION WE SET THIS FOR 30 DAYS IN ADVANCE TO RECONSIDER IT. MARCH 24TH.

>> COMMISSIONER CELLA: SECOND. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: FURTHER DISCUSSION. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. OPPOSED. SO, DONE. OKAY. THANK YOU. MOVING ON ITEM 14. WE STILL HAVE COMMENT CARDS ON

[14. 5:00 Time Certain or as soon thereafter as can be heard - Final Public Hearing to Consider Adoption of CPA 2019-09 Bradley Creek Holdings, Inc. (Commission District 5, Commissioner Hendry))]

THESE REMAINING ITEMS. DO WE NEED TO GO AHEAD AND HEAR FROM THOSE BEFORE WE GO INTO THEM OR

WHAT? >> CITY ATTORNEY: NO YOU WILL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING THEN

THEY CAN SPEAK. AFTER STAFF AND THEN AFTER PRESENTATION. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: ITEM 15 WHICH IS ANOTHER TIME CERTAIN. 14, YES. FINAL PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER ADOPTION OF CPA2019-09

BRADLEY CREEK HOLDINGS. STAFF PRESENTATION ON THIS? >> SPEAKER: YES, SIR. THIS IS TO CONSIDER CPA2019-09. A LARGE SCALE LAND USE AMENDMENT TO REDO THE LAND USE DESIGNATIONS. THE PLANNING DISTRICT IS 6. AND IT'S COMMISSION DISTRICT 5. APPLICANT IS BRADLEY CREEK HOLDINGS.

MR. SPOOF ERRED IS HERE TO REPRESENT THEM. THE PLANNING COMMISSION HELD A HEARING ON OCTOBER 1, 2019, AND RECOMMENDED APPROVAL 6-0 WITH COMMENTS. THOSE COMMENTS HAVE SINCE BEEN WORKED OUT IN TERMS OF A RE-SUBMITTAL TO ADDRESS THE ISSUES THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAD. THE BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS TRANSMITTED TO THE DEPART DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY ON THE 22ND OF OCTOBER. THAT MEETING -- WE WOULD HAVE GOTTEN IT BACK IN THE BEGINNING OF DECEMBER BECAUSE OF THE ONE MEETING IN DECEMBER WE DID NOT CARRY IT TO DECEMBER, WOULD HAVE CARRIED IT TO JANUARY, BUT THE APPLICANTS WERE READY TO DO THE ZONING IN FEBRUARY SO WE JUST STAYED THE LAND USE TO MATCH UP WITH THE ZONING MEETING. SO THAT'S WHERE WE ARE ON THIS. IT HAS TAKEN A LITTLE BIT OF TIME. THE EXISTING LAND USE IS RURAL FRINGE BORDERING HENDLEY ROAD. THAT'S THE LIGHTER BROWN ON THAT MAP.

AND MASTER PLAN COMMUNITY ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY EAST OF BRADLEY CREEK AND EAST OF THE FREEWAY. THE PROPERTY IS SHOWN IN STRIPES ON THERE. IT DOES CONTAIN A VILLAGE CENTER DESIGNATION AS WELL. WHAT ENDED UP BEING THE APPROVAL WAS THE PROPOSAL TO CHANGE THE MASTER PLANNED COMMUNITY DESIGNATION TO THE WESTERN PART OF THE PROPERTY SO IT WOULD HAVE DIRECT ACCESS FROM HENLEY ROAD AND RUN OVER TO THE WEST SIDE OF BRADLEY CREEK AND TO PUT THE RURAL FRINGE DESIGNATION EAST OF BRADLEY CREEK AND EAST OF THE FREEWAY. AND THE PRIMARY REASON FOR DOING THAT WAS IN THE APPLICANT'S REPORT HAVING TO DO WITH THE LE LESSER SATISFACTORY SOIL CONDITIONS ON EITHER SIDE OF THE FREEWAY AND THE LACK OF ACCESS ACROSS BRADLEY CREEK INTO THAT AREA AND THE BETTER ACCESS BOTH TO SAND RIDGE ROAD AND TO HENLEY ROAD FROM THE WESTERN PORTION. THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN RURAL FRINGE AND LAKE ASBURY MASTER PLAN COMMUNITY. BOTH OF THOSE ARE LAKE ASBURY LAND USE DESIGNATIONS. RURAL FRINGE IS ONE TO THREE UNITS PER ACRE. WHEREAS MASTER PLAN COMMUNITY IS TWO TO FIVE UNITS PER ACRE. AND HAS A POSSIBILITY FOR ATTACHED UNITS WHEN IT IS NEXT TO A VILLAGE CENTER. AND THOSE

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DENSITIES COULD GO UP WITH CERTAIN ENVIRONMENTAL CONDITIONS THEY COULD POTENTIALLY GET UP TO 12 UNITS PER ACRE. BUT THE ONLY VILLAGE CENTER THAT YOU SEE IN HERE IS WHERE THAT PURPLE IS ON THE MAP. SO, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT VILLAGE CENTER AT HENLEY ROAD. WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT VILLAGE CENTER AT SAND RIDGE ROAD. THE ONLY VILLAGE CENTER THAT YOU HAVE IS ESSENTIALLY IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PROPERTY. WE DID RETAIN THE ALIGNMENT FOR EAST-WEST 1 AND NORTH-SOUTH 3 THROUGH THE PROPERTY AND THEY COME TOGETHER IN THE AREA OF THAT VILLAGE CENTER. THESE ARE THE DASH LINE ROADS THAT WERE PART OF THE LAKE ASBURY MASTER PLAN AND WE WOULD CONTINUE TO EXPECT TO GET THESE BUILT AS WE GET THESE AREAS DEVELOPED. PART OF EAST-WEST 1 IS PROGRAMMED TO BE -- AT LEAST WE HAVE THE RIGHT-OF-WAY FOR SOME OF IT AS PART OF VILLAGE PARK WHICH IS A SUBDIVISION TO THE NORTH WHICH IS NOW UNDER CONSTRUCTION. THERE'S THREE OF THE PHASES OF THAT UNDER CONSTRUCTION NOW. SO WE HAVE DEVELOPMENT COMING. WE EXPECTED DEVELOPMENT WITH LAKE ASBURY. THIS IS A SWITCH IN TERMS OF WHERE WE WOULD PUT THE SLIGHTLY MORE DENSE DEVELOPMENT

BUT NOT A BIG CHANGE IN TERMS OF THE DENSITY. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: SO IT WAS SAID BY ONE OF THE COMMENTERS EARLIER THAT THIS WAS GOING TO BE A CHANGE IN DENSITY. CAN YOU FOCUS ON THAT. WHAT IS THE ACTUAL CHANGE FROM WHAT IT IS NOW?

>> SPEAKER: THE TOTAL DENSITY IS GOING TO DECREASE BECAUSE OF THE REARRANGEMENT OF THE PROPERTY.

BUT THE DENSITY FOR THIS PROPERTY WAS SET WITH THE LAKE ASBURY PLAN. IT'S JUST THE RURAL FRINGE HAS A DENSITY AND THE MASTER PLANNED COMMUNITY HAS A DENSITY. BY SWITCHING THEM WE'RE NOT PROVIDING MORE DENSITY AT ALL. IT WILL IMPACT BE SLIGHTLY LESS. BUT IT PROVIDES WHAT WE THINK WILL BE A BETTER USE OF THE PROPERTY IN TERMS OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES OF CROSSING THAT CREEK AND THE SOIL CONDITIONS OF THE EASTERN PART OF THE PROPERTY.

>> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: SO THE ANSWER IS IT IS A DECREASE IN DENSITY FOR THE TOTAL PROPERTY

>> SPEAKER: A SLIGHT DECREASE. BUT IT'S COMPLETELY WITHIN WHAT LAKE ASBURY HAD INTENDED TO DO

OVERALL. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: IT LOOKS LIKE ABOUT A QUARTER OF A MILE

FACING SAND RIDGE FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT IS THAT CORRECT? >> SPEAKER: I'M DRIVING ON SAND

RIDGE I CANNOT MEASURE THE DIFFERENCE. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: WELL YOU'VE

GOT A MAP THERE. IS THAT MAP TO SCALE? >> SPEAKER: WELL IT'S IN FEET.

>> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: SEEMS TO BE ABOUT 1,200 FEET IS THAT CORRECT ON SAND RIDGE. BORDERING SAND

RIDGE. FACING SAND RIDGE. >> SPEAKER: LOOKS MORE LIKE 1,800.

>> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: OKAY. AND I KNOW THE CHANGE BASICALLY HAS OCCURRED BECAUSE A DECISION WAS MADE TO PUT THE 12 UNITS PER ACRE BACK AROUND VILLAGE CENTER AS OPPOSED TO OUT ON SAND RIDGE.

IS THAT PART OF THE THOUGHT PROCESS? >> SPEAKER: NO. THE VILLAGE CENTER WAS NEVER ON SAND RIDGE THERE. THE APPLICANTS HAD ORIGINALLY ASKED FOR IT TO MOVE TO HENLEY ROAD BUT THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED AGAINST THAT SO IT'S STAYING IN THE SAME PLACE THAT IT SHOULD BE WHICH IS WHERE EAST-WEST 1 AND NORTH-SOUTH 3 COME TOGETHER.

>> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: BUT THAT IS KIND OF THE MAGNET FOR THE 12 UNITS PER ACRE BACK AROUND

VILLAGE CENTER AS OPPOSED TO SAND RIDGE ROAD IS IT NOT? >> SPEAKER: THERE WOULDN'T BE ANY ABILITY TO PUT APARTMENTS ON SAND RIDGE ROAD BECAUSE IT HAS TO BE CLOSE TO THE VILLAGE

CENTER. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: THAT IS WHAT I WAS GETTING AT. THEY'LL BE NEAR THE VILLAGE CENTER AS OPPOSED TO ONE OF THE MAJOR THOROUGHFARES.

>> SPEAKER: RIGHT. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

>> SPEAKER: WE HAVE NOT GOT A SITE PLAN. SO WE'VE NOT RECEIVED ANY INFORMATION AS TO EXACTLY HOW THEY WANT TO LAY OUT THE RESIDENTIAL AREAS. NOBODY HAS SPOKEN TO ME ABOUT APARTMENTS.

>> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: SO, BASICALLY, I'M HUNG UP ON REARRANGING. WHAT EXACTLY ARE WE

REARRANGING HERE? >> >> SPEAKER: SO IF YOU LOOK AT --

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LOOKING AT THE MAP HERE THIS AREA HERE THAT WAS ALL GOING TO BE MPC. AND THIS AREA HERE WAS ALL GOING TO BE RURAL FRINGE. WE JUST TOOK THIS AREA AND THAT AREA AND EXCHANGED IT ACCORDING

TO THE PLAN. SO, IN ORDER TO -- >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: WHAT PURPOSE DOES THAT REARRANGEMENT ALLOW

>> SPEAKER: THE MAIN EXPLANATION WE WERE GIVEN IS THAT THOSE LANDS ON THE EAST SIDE OF THIS CREEK ARE MORE SPONGY, LESS SUITABLE FOR DEVELOPMENTS. SO, YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE THE HOUSES FURTHER APART. YOU ARE NOT GOING TO GET THE KINDS OF DENSITIES YOU SHOULD GET WITH MPC. THE PROPERTY IS BIFURCATED BY THE FREEWAY. SO IT MAKES IT HARD TO MOVE AROUND IT AND YOU HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE CROSSING OF THAT CREEK WHICH, YOU KNOW, GENERALLY SPEAKING CROSSING CREEKS IS A LITTLE BIT MORE DIFFICULT AND IT LI LIMITS ACCESS. IF YOU PUT YOUR HIGHEST DENSITY ON EITHER SIDE OF THE FREEWAY AND LOCKED IN BY THE CREEK IT MAKES IT HARDER FOR THE EMERGENCY PEOPLE TO GET THERE AND HARDER FOR PEOPLE TO GET IN AND OUT. SO IT SEEMED LIKE IT MADE SENSE TO REARRANGE. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING BASICALLY, REARRANGING.

>> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: QUESTIONS FOR CAROLYN? ANYTHING ELSE? >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: MY CALCULATION IS THAT IT WILL REDUCE THE NUMBER OF DWELLINGS BY 219. DOES THAT SOUND ABOUT

RIGHT. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: NO QUESTIONS?

>> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: I JUST HAVE A COMMENT. WE HEAR THE CONCERNS AND I LIVE IN KEYSTONE HEIGHTS WHICH IS EVEN LESS DENSITY POPULATED THAN LAKE ASBURY AND FLEMING ISLAND. I LIKE THE WOODS. I SPENT A LOT OF TIME THERE IN THE ARMY. BUT THIS DECISION BEFORE US TODAY IS NOT DO WE APPROVE A HOUSING DEVELOPMENT OR NOT. AS COMMISSIONER HUTCHINGS SAID DO WE CHANGE THE WAY THE CURRENT EXISTING ALREADY APPROVED HOUSING DEVELOPMENT IS LAID OUT.

AND IF WE APPROVE TODAY THE CHANGE THEY'RE REQUESTING IT REDUCES THE TOTAL OF NUMBER OF HOUSES BY 200 AND SOMETHING. SO IT'S LESS DENSITY. I GUESS THE QUESTION FOR THE CROWD I GET YOU DON'T LIKE DEVELOPMENT AND YOU HAVE CONCERNS, BUT IF ARE SITTING IN OUR SEAT AND YOU HAD THE MAGIC WAND AND YOU ARE THE COMMISSION ERR WOULD YOU TAKE AN OFFER FOR LESS HOUSES OR WOULD YOU TAKE THE OFFER TO JUST KEEP IT AS IS AND BUILD 200 ADDITIONAL HOUSES. THAT'S THE QUESTION BEFORE US

TIME FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. >> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: IT WAS A QUESTION TO CONSIDER AND THINK ABOUT. SO THAT IS THE DECISION BEFORE US. IT'S NOT DO WE WANT ANYTHING HERE. DO WE WANT IT JUST TO REMAIN WOODS OR NOT TO. THE QUESTION IS IT'S GOING TO BE DEVELOPED SOME WAY. THE QUESTION

IS HOW IS IT GOING TO BE DEVELOPED AND THAT'S QUESTION >> SPEAKER: I WOULD NOTE THE

APPLICANT IS HERE. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: COME UP AND LET'S GO AHEAD AND THROW YOU IN

THE MIX HERE. >> SPEAKER: DIRECTOR OF PLANNING. I'M REPRESENTING BRADLEY CREEK HOLDINGS. WE WERE HERE BACK IN OCTOBER AND HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSION ON THIS CASE AS WELL. JUST AS A REMINDER, THEY ARE A FAMILY OWNED -- THEY OWN THE LAND BUT IT IS A FAMILY AND THEY'VE HAD THE LAND FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS AND I THINK THEY WERE PROBABLY INVOLVED IN THE INITIAL ADOPTION OF LAKE ASBURY MASTER PLAN ABOUT 15 YEARS AGO NOW. I WAS INVOLVED IN THAT AS WELL. IT WAS BASED ON SMART GROWTH PRINCIPAL WHERE YOU HAVE A MIX OF USES. YOU ALLOW A WIDER VARIETY OF HOUSING CHOICE AND HOUSING OPTIONS. AND YOU KIND OF STRENGTHEN AND DIRECT DEVELOPMENT TO EXISTING COMMUNITIES. OFFER TRANSPORTATION CHOICES AND THAT WAY YOU CAN PRESERVE LARGER AREAS FOR OPEN SPACE. SINCE IT'S TOPPINGS AS YOU KNOW THERE'S PROBABLY BEEN A FEW CHANGES THAT HAVE COME FORWARD THROUGH TIME. THESE CHANGES ARE TYPICALLY

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BASED ON EXISTING CONDITIONS. FOR EXAMPLE, THE ALIGNMENT OF THE FIRST COVE EXPRESSWAY HAS CHANGED A NUMBER OF TIMES OVER THE PAST 15 YEARS. IT'S NOW FINALIZED OBVIOUSLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION. AND THEN WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT HAVE MORE SITE SPECIFIC INFORMATION. THE MASTER PLAN WAS BASED ON VERY GENERAL PLANNING DATA. IT LOOKED AT 30,000 ACRES. WHAT WE HAVE DONE THE LANDOWNERS BROUGHT US ALONG TO HELP DO A SITE ANALYSIS AND PUT TOGETHER A PLAN THAT WILL HELP THEM LEAVE A LEGACY THEY CAN BE PROUD OF. SO, IN DOING THAT, THAT TAKES SOME TIME.

OBVIOUSLY WE'VE HAD WETLAND AND WILDLIFE BIOLOGISTS OUT ON THE SITE. WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF DOING A MASTER STORM WATER PLAN. UNDERSTANDING WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE AND GETTING IT PERMITTED.

THE NEXT STEPS WILL BE DOING CONCEPTUAL PLANS, WORKING WITH PERSPECTIVE DEVELOPERS OR PARTNERS FOR THE PROPERTY. THEY'RE NOT DEVELOPERS THEMSELVES. THIS IS A FAMILY OWNED LAND. SO, THIS WOULD ALL TAKE TIME. THIS WILL BE OVER THE COURSE OF TWO, THREE, FOUR MORE YEARS DEPENDING ON WHERE YOU ARE LOOKING ON THE SITE ITSELF. SO WHAT WE HAVE LOOKED AT IS THE -- IF YOU CAN GO TO I THINK -- I HAVE A FEW SLIDES THAT ARE VERY SHORT. I THINK IT WILL HELP ILLUSTRATE WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH. THE FIRST COAST EXPRESSWAY BUY FUR CATES THE PROPERTY. SO THAT REMAINING PROPERTY, THE LARGER PARCEL TO THE EAST IS ESSENTIALLY LAND LOCKED. THERE'S NO ROADWAY FRONTAGE ON THERE NOW. IN ADDITION THAT LAND HAS MORE WETLANDS AND MORE FLOODPLAIN AND IS LESS SUITABLE FOR MORE INTENSE DEVELOPMENT. WHEREAS ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE EXPRESSWAY AND MORE PARTICULARLY WEST OF BRADLEY CREEK THAT RUNS KIND OF NORTH-SOUTH ALONG THE SOUTH-EASTBOUNDRY THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF THE SITE UP TO BLACK CREEK. WEST OF THAT CREEK IS LARGER, MORE CONTIGUOUS PIECE OF LAND. MORE UP LANDS, LESS WETLANDS AND LESS FLOODPLAIN. SO IT'S MORE SUITABLE FOR DEVELOPMENT. SO WHAT WE DECIDED W WAS A MASTER PLANNED COMMUNITY, WOULD COULD HAVE THE VILLAGE CENTER IN THE CENTER OF THE SITE. THE ONLY WAY YOU COULD DO A TRANSITION TO THAT INCLUDE COMMERCIAL IS TO DO MULTI-FAMILY. TOWNHOMES. THEN TRANSITION OUT TO SINGLE FAMILY.

SO WE NEEDED TO JUST KIND OF FLIP-FLOP THE LAND USE FROM THE EAST TO THE WEST AND VICE VERSA.

THAT'S ESSENTIALLY WHAT WE WANTED TO DO. SO, IF YOU WANT TO GO TO THE CURRENT LAND USE MAP. YOU CAN SEE THE VILLAGE CENTER KIND OF IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SITE. THE LIGHTER YELLOW IS RURAL FRINGE. THAT I ALLOWS SINGLE FAMILY DEVELOPMENT ONLY. THE BROWN IS THE MASTER PLANNED COMMUNITY WHICH IS LOCATED EAST OF BRADLEY CREEK. THEN ON BRADLEY CREEK ITSELF IS A GREENWAY. SO, BASED ON OUR SITE ANALYSIS WE WENT AHEAD AND DECIDED IT WOULD BE BETTER TO MOVE THE MASTER PLANNED COMMUNITY TO THE WEST SIDE OF BRADLEY CREEK. SO, IF YOU CAN FLIP TO THE NEXT SIDE. SO THAT IS NOW WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING. SO THE NET RESULT OF THAT, SO WHAT WE DID WAS CALCULATED WHAT COULD YOU DEVELOP UNDER THE FUTURE LAND USE. WHAT IS THE AMOUNT OF DEVELOPMENT YOU COULD DEVELOP UNDER THE FUTURE LAND USE CURRENT VERSUS WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING? SO, WE GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. THIS TABLE SHOWS YOU WHAT WE HAVE PROPOSED IS TO ADD TO THE GREENWAY BASED ON SITE SPECIFIC CONDITIONS. WE'RE ADDING 22 ACRES. THEN FOR RESIDENTIAL WE'RE REDUCING OVERALL BY 219 UNITS. BUT I WILL TELL YOU THAT ANY MIX OF RESIDENTIAL WE HAVE ON THIS SITE IS NOT LIKELY TO ACHIEVE THAT NUMBER OF 3,300 UNITS. IT'S JUST NOT ENOUGH AREA BASED ON THE DENSITY. THEN THE COMMERCIAL IN THE VILLAGE CENTER ITSELF WHICH IS YOU CAN HAVE UP TO 25 PERCENT OF RETAIL AT .7 FLOOR AREA RATIO OR 70 PERCENT ON THE

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SITE CAN BE FLOOR AREA. AND THE EXISTING WOULD ALLOW OVER 426,000. WE WOULD REDUCE THAT DOWN BY 182,000. SO THAT'S THE NET RESULT OF THIS PROPOSED CHANGE. I THINK IT ACCOMPLISHES TWO THINGS. ONE, IT IS A NET DECREASE IN THE OVERALL POTENTIAL DEVELOPMENT ON THE SITE. AND WE MOVE AROUND THE LAND USES TO MATCH THE SITE CONDITIONS IN A MORE MEANINGFUL WAY. SO WITH THAT I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE.

>> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: IF WE VOTE THIS DOWN WHAT WILL HAPPEN? >> WE'LL CONTINUE DOING OUR THING. WE'LL ADJUST IT TO FUTURE LAND USE. YOU WON'T HAVE THE MIX OF USES WHICH THEN WON'T REDUCE THE TRIPS. EXTERNAL TRIPS. THEY CAN STILL MOVE FORWARD AND COME IN WITH A CONCEPTUAL PLAN FOR STAFF REVIEW, GET THAT APPROVAL AND GO TO CONSTRUCTION PLAN APPROVAL AND START CONSTRUCTION WITHOUT ANY FURTHER PUBLIC HEARING. EITHER WAY, I MEAN, IT'S --

>> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: IF WE VOTE IT DOWN TONIGHT YOU CAN BUILD IN THEORY 3,500 HOMES?

>> SPEAKER: THAT'S CORRECT. >> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: REGARDLESS OF IF WE VOTE IT DOWN TONIGHT AND SAY WE DON'T WANT THIS, WE CAN DO THAT -- THEY CAN STILL DO 3,500 HOMES. SO, ALL WE'RE DECIDING TONIGHT IS WHETHER WE HAVE 3,500 HOMES THERE OR 3,300 HOMES THERE

ESSENTIALLY? >> SPEAKER: RIGHT. >> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: JUST

WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT. >> COMMISSIONER CELLA: ALSO WHEN YOU SAY UNDER THE MPC AT FIVE DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE, TYPICALLY WHAT KIND OF DEVELOPMENT WOULD THAT BE?

>> SPEAKER: IF YOU ARE DOING SINGLE FAMILY TO ACHIEVE FIVE DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE IS NEARLY IMPOSSIBLE BECAUSE THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE IS 40 FOOT LOTS WITH REAR ALLEY. SO, WE'VE DONE A DENSITY ANALYSIS YOU CAN GET MAYBE THREE TO FOUR UNITS PER ACRE WITH THOSE SIZE LOTS.

OBVIOUSLY OUR GOAL IS TO HAVE A VARIETY OF LOT SIZES SO SOME ARE MORE AFFORDABLE THAN OTHERS.

WHEN YOU HAVE A WIDER VARIETY YOU APPEAL TO A WIDER SEGMENT OF THE MARKET IN THAT IT ALSO PROVIDES A BETTER OVERALL COMMUNITY. IDEALLY YOU WOULD HAVE -- IT WOULD BE DESIGNED MORE IN A TRADITIONAL NEIGHBORHOOD TYPE STYLE WHERE YOU WOULD HAVE IT BE MORE WALKABLE. YOU WOULD HAVE SIDEWALKS. YOU WOULD HAVE LITTLE SHOPS. ANTIQUE SHOPS, ET CETERA.

RETAIL STORES. THAT'S THE IDEA. BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO BE IN THE CENTER OF THE COMMUNITY. SO, YOU'D WANT TO HAVE THAT BE VERY NEIGHBORHOOD FEEL, VERY WALKABLE BUT NOT INTENSE DEVELOPMENT.

SO, YOU KNOW, IT IS A LONG WAYS OUT. WE INITIALLY THE THOUGHT WAS OBVIOUSLY YOU'D HAVE A BETTER SHOT AT COMMERCIAL ON HENLEY ROAD. BUT WE UNDERSTAND THAT THAT WASN'T REALLY PART OF THE MASTER PLAN AND SO WE MOVED BACK TO THE CENTER OF THE SITE. IT REQUIRES A MIX OF USES. SO, YOU COULD DO MAXIMUM OF 65 PERCENT RESIDENTIAL WHICH COULD BE TOWNHOMES AS WELL. AND YOU CAN DO -- I THINK IT IS MAXIMUM OF 25 PERCENT RETAIL AND YOU CAN DO OFFICE AND CIVIC AND PARKS.

>> COMMISSIONER CELLA: ALL UNDER THE VILLAGE CENTER? >> SPEAKER: CORRECT.

>> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: HOW MANY ARE YOU GOING TO BUILD IN THE FLOODPLAIN?

>> SPEAKER: TYPICALLY WE DON'T HAVE ROAD CROSSINGS, UTILITY CROSSINGS IN THE FLOODPLAIN.

NOTHING IN IT. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: BUT YOU WERE GOING TO PLAN ON BUILDING

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HOMES IN THERE BEFORE THIS. >> SPEAKER: NO. THE FLOOD PLAN THAT'S ON THERE NOW WE WOULD HAVE TO RESPECT THAT. ULTIMATELY THAT'S ANOTHER PART OF THIS SIDE ANALYSIS IS WE WOULD HAVE A DETAILED FLOODPLAIN STUDY PERFORMED. AND HAVE THAT BASE FLOOD ELEVATION DEFINED THROUGHOUT THE SITE IF NOT DEFINED THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE SITE.

>> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: THE ELEVATIONS WERE CHANGED, WHAT, LAST YEAR?

>> SPEAKER: I THINK THE FEMA FLOODPLAIN MAPS. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: WHAT DID

THAT DO TO THE ORIGINAL DESIGN? KIND OF MADE THAT -- >> COMMISSIONER CELLA: I DON'T

THINK THEY HAD A DESIGN. BUT >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: BUT KIND OF MADE THAT WHOLE CHUNK OF STUFF OVER THERE NOT TOO DESIRABLE I WOULD GUESS AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE SEEING THIS.

>> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: WHAT YOU ARE RECOMMENDING TONIGHT IS IT ALSO IN LINE WITH THE LAKE

ASBURY MASTER PLAN? >> SPEAKER: YES. THE ONLY CHANGE IS THE LAND USE. SO, ALL THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS IN THE MASTER PLAN WE'RE NOT CHANGING ANY OF THOSE.

>> SPEAKER: THAT'S CORRECT. WE HAVEN'T LOOKED AT DEVELOP FOR THIS BUT BASICALLY THE LAKE

ASBURY PLAN APPLIES WHEN THEY BRING IT IN. >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: OKAY.

>> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS. ARE WE READY TO GET TO PUBLIC HEARING AT THIS POINT? ALL RIGHT. I HAVE A NUMBER OF CARDS THAT WANT TO SPEAK TO THIS. WE'LL GET BACK INTO PUBLIC COMMENTS. BEAR WITH ME. I'LL START OUT WITH KAY MANLY. WITH LORI HOLLEN ON DECK. I WOULD JUST ASK YOU, IF THERE'S A SPEAKER AHEAD OF YOU THAT PRESENT YOUR POINT TO THE T.

YOU KNOW, NO REASON TO GET UP AND REITERATE IT. YOU KNOW, WE HEARD IT ONCE WE ALL HEARD. IF WE CAN SAVE TIME BY NOT REPEATING THE WHOLE PRESENTATION IT WOULD BE APPRECIATED.

>> PUBLIC SPEAKER: AND I AM STANDING UP. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: THAT'S MY

LINE. >> SPEAKER: KAY MANLY. I LIVE AT 420 WESLEY ROAD IN LAKE ASBURY.

MY HUSBAND AND I HAVE BEEN OUT HERE ABOUT 35 YEARS. MY PARENTS WERE HERE ABOUT 15 YEARS BEFORE THAT JUST ACROSS THE RIVER. SO, I'VE BEEN -- AND THEN IN HIGH SCHOOL WHICH WAS A LONG TIME AGO ONE OF MY FAVORITE SUNDAY ACTIVITIES WAS TO COME ALL THE WAY FROM ARLINGTON TO GO WATER SKIING IN BLACK CREEK. SO, I'VE SEEN CLAY COUNTY GO THROUGH CONSIDERABLE CHANGES. ONE OF THE STORIES I LOVE TO TELL WAS I REMEMBER WHEN MY HUSBAND'S TRUCK BROKE DOWN AT 17 AND 220. THE ONLY PROBLEM WAS BACK THEN THERE WAS NO FLEMING ISLAND DEVELOPMENT. IT WAS BLACK AT NIGHT. NOTHING WAS THERE. AND HE LUCKILY -- A HIGHWAY PATROLMAN STOPPED, DROVE HIM DOWN TO 209 TO THE STORE WHERE HE COULD CALL ME ON THE LAND LINE. SO, WHILE I APPRECIATE WHAT WE WERE, I REALLY DO UNDERSTAND THE GROWTH THAT WE'RE FACING AND THAT'S HAPPENING. AND I DO EMBRACE IT TO SOME DEGREE. IT DOES MAKE ME A LITTLE SAD BUT YET I UNDERSTAND WHERE WE NEED TO GO AND THAT THINGS ARE CHANGING. SO, MR. BOLLA, YOU MENTIONED A LITTLE WHILE AGO THAT YOU -- YOU ASKED ONE OF THE OTHER SPEAKERS, DID SHE HAVE A PLAN TO FACE -- THAT SHE COULD USE WHEN THE VIRUSES CAME. DID SHE HAVE A HEALTH PLAN. WELL WE HAVE A HEALTH PLAN FOR -- WE HAVE A PLAN FOR LAKE ASBURY. THE LAKE ASBURY MASTER PLAN. THAT WAS PUT IN PLACE YEARS AGO. AND WE USE THAT NOW FOR OUR GROWTH. AND OUR EXPECTATION IS THAT OUR COUNTY COMMISSIONERS DO WORK WITHIN THAT MASTER PLAN. AND WE APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT YOU ARE DOING AROUND THAT. I WAS IN A LOT OF THOSE MEETINGS. I SAW THE MASTER PLAN BEING DEVELOPED. AND THEN SOME YEARS AFTER THAT, YOU WERE THERE WHEN WE REVISITED THAT PLAN AND CHANGES WERE MADE. SO THAT PLAN HAS BEEN IN PLACE AND I WOULD HOPE THAT WE STICK TO THAT. WHILE I SEE THE PLAN IN PLACE I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT

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WE FOLLOW THAT AND THAT WE DON'T HAVE DEVELOPERS COMING IN AND NOT LISTENING TO OUR NEEDS AS A COMMUNITY AND JUST PEOPLE FROM JACKSONVILLE, PEOPLE FROM NASHVILLE, PEOPLE FROM ALL OVER COMING IN AND TELLING US WHAT WE HAVE TO HAVE. I THINK THAT'S WRONG AND I THINK THAT'S OFFENSIVE. LISTEN TO WHAT WE NEED AND WHAT WE CAN ENDURE AND WHAT WE CAN FACE. THE YOUNG MOTHER WITH HER CHILDREN THAT JUST CAME INTO OUR COMMUNITY, WE WANT FAMILIES LIKE THAT TO COME

IN. THEY'VE BEEN CONTRIBUTING CITIZENS SO WE LIKE TO SEE THAT. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: THANK YOU.

>> PUBLIC SPEAKER: BUT I DO WANT TO SAY ONE MORE THING AND I'LL LEAVE. IS THAT THE INFRAS INFRASTRUCTURE, PLEASE REMEMBER THE INFRASTRUCTURE. IT'S DANGEROUS ON 209. IT'S DANGEROUS ON SAND RIDGE ROAD. THOSE HAVE TO BE CHANGED IF WE

WANT THIS NEW DEVELOPMENT TO COME IN. >> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: CAN I ASK A QUICK QUESTION? I AM A LITTLE CONFUSED. WHAT SPECIFICALLY ARE YOU AGAINST IN TERMS OF -- WHAT DO YOU FEEL LIKE THIS PLAN HAS CHANGED FROM THE MASTER PLAN? BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND IN GENERAL GROWTH ISN'T FUN. BUT SPECIFICALLY WITH THIS PROJECT, THE DECISION WE

HAVE IS 3,500 HOUSES VERSUS 3,300. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: THAT SURPRISED ME AND I WAS SURPRISED. THAT'S NEW NEWS TONIGHT. I'M SPEAKING IN GENERAL

WITH THAT. BRADLEY CREEK IS ONLY ONE. >> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: I HEAR YOU. BECAUSE THAT'S THE DECISION BEFORE US TONIGHT. BRADLEY CREEK. THAT'S WHY I LOVE SPECIFIC FEEDBACK ON WHAT -- BECAUSE I'M TRYING TO MAKE A DECISION. AND GENERALLY WE DON'T LIKE GROWTH DOESN'T HELP ME DECIDE WHETHER BRADLEY CREEK IS A GOOD IDEA OR NOT. THE SPECIFIC CHANGES. BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN. BRADLEY CREEK IS HAPPENING WHETHER WE VOTE ON IT

TONIGHT. IT'S JUST HOW IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: BUT IT'S HOW IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN AND WHAT IS THE COUNTY GOING TO DO TO HAVE THE ROADS EQUIPPED TO FACE THAT DEVELOPMENT. TO HAVE 3,300 HOMES COME IN WITH THE EXISTING RUSSELL ROAD AND SAND RIDGE

ROAD, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE MORE DEATHS. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: WE'RE GOING TO ADDRESS PART OF YOUR QUESTION ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT. AS FAR AS INFRASTRUCTURE.

>> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: STICK AROUND TILL ITEM 7 AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT.

>> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: THANK YOU. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: LORI HOLLAND. I LIVE IN GREEN COVE SPRINGS, FLORIDA. I AM CONCERNED ABOUT MOVING THE HOUSING AROUND BECAUSE IT COULD CAUSE DRAINAGE ISSUES WHERE THE CURRENT NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE OUT THERE, LAKE ASBURY AND OTHER ONES, ARE GOING TO GET FLOODED WHEN WE HAVE SEVERE RAIN. AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT KIND OF PLANNING YOU ALL HAVE DONE FOR THE STORM SITUATIONS WITH THE WATER. AT SANDS RIDGE AND 209, WHEN IT RAINS VERY HEAVILY, THAT FLOODS AND THERE'S DITCHES THAT THE WATER DOESN'T DRAIN OUT OF. AND I THINK -- HAS THAT BEEN INCLUDED IN REARRANGING THE LAND? BECAUSE I REALIZED THERE'S GOING TO BE 200 LESS HOUSES BUT IF THEY'RE PUTTING MORE HOUSES IN A SMALLER PLACE, YOU ARE NOT GOING TO HAVE ROOM FOR THE RAIN TO SOAK INTO THE GROUND. IT'S ALL GOING TO BE AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE THERE. AND THEY COULD BE FLOODED. I DON'T KNOW. IF YOU ALL HAVE

CONSIDERED THAT. THANK YOU. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: THANK YOU MA'AM. ANDREA MARTIN WITH CHARLIE RIDDLING ON DECK. MS. MARTIN, ARE YOU WITH US? YOU'RE GOOD? OKAY. CHARLES RIDDLING WITH JOHN BENTLEY ON DECK. JOHN, ARE YOU WITH US? OKAY YOU ARE ON DECK BROTHER.

>> PUBLIC SPEAKER: OKAY. WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A LITTLE TRIP AROUND FLEMING ISLAND AND LAKE ASBURY. FROM 17 TO THE BRIDGE IS 2.9 MILES. AND THEY WANT TO TAKE AND PUT SIX LANES THERE AND FLEMING ISLAND DOESN'T WANT THEM. THEY KNOW WE DON'T WANT IT. NO WAY. WELL BRING THOSE TWO LANES AROUND TO RUSSELL ROAD WHERE FROM HENLEY ROAD BACK TO SAND RIDGE ROAD IS 3.9, RIGHT AT 4 MILES. SO, LET'S GO AHEAD AND FOUR-LANE THAT. AND I HEARD THE OTHER DAY THAT THERE'S TALK

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ABOUT THREE-LANING ROADS. WELL YOU MIGHT AS WELL SCRAP THAT IDEA. THAT'S LIKE PUTTING A BAND-AID ON A MACHETE CUT TO ITS JUG JUGULAR VEIN. IT'S NOT GOING TO WORK. THERE'S NO WAY YOU ARE GOING TO GET ANYTHING DONE PUTTING THREE LANES BECAUSE YOU WILL JUST HAVE TO COME BACK LATER ON AND PUT MORE LANES IN. SO, GET IT WHILE IT'S CHEAPER.

THE NEXT THING. COMING DOWN 209, RIGHT THERE TO THE NORTH, YOU HAVE SOLITE. THAT NAME'S GOING TO KEEP COMING UP AND COMING UP AND COMING UP UNTIL YOU ALL CLOSE THE DOOR, LOCK IT, NAIL IT SHUT AND RUN A STAKE THROUGH THEIR HEART. THAT'S THE ONLY WAY YOU ARE GOING TO GET IT STOPPED. THEY DIDN'T THINK ENOUGH OF THEIR NEIGHBORS TO NOT CONTAMINATE ALL THEIR LAND SO THEY OUGHT NOT BE ABLE TO DEVELOP NOT ONE SQUARE INCH OF ALL THEIR PROPERTY. BECAUSE WE GOT NO IDEA IF THEY CONTAMINATED THE REST OF THEIR PROPERTY. THEY SAY THEY DIDN'T BUT WE DON'T KNOW. THEY CONTAMINATED NEIGHBORS AND THEN RUN OUT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT UNDER THE CLOAK OF DARKNESS. SO THEY DON'T DESERVE ANYTHING EXCEPT PAY TAXES. AND THIS IS BEING LOOKED AT NOW BY THE REZONING. WE KNOW DEVELOPMENT IS COMING. THERE'S NO IFS OR BUTS ABOUT IT.

BUT THERE IS NO WAY IN GOD'S GREEN EARTH I WANT ANYTHING THAT'S GOING TO HAVE 12 UNITS PER ACRE. I CAN LIVE WITH THREE TO FIVE. I CAN LIVE WITH FOUR. I CAN LIVE WITH TWO. BUT NO WAY IN GOD'S GREEN EARTH CAN I LIVE WITH 12 UNITS TO AN ACRE. YOU ARE ASKING FOR NOTHING BUT TROUBLE WITH THE PEOPLE AT VANZANT PARK THAT WILL BECOME FROM A PARK TO A HANG OUT. THERE WILL BE NOTHING BUT TROUBLE. IT'S YOU ALL'S VOTE BUT THE THING WHICH YOU ARE LOOKING AT NOW IS THE PEOPLE HERE THAT'S AT THIS MEETING, THEY DON'T TRUST THE DEVELOPERS AND ARE GETTING TO WHERE THEY DON'T TRUST THE COMMISS COMMISSION. SO, THERE'S BEGINNING TO BE A BUNCH OF MISTRUST. BECAUSE EVERY TIME THEY COME IN THEY GET THE ZONING OR WHATEVER THEY WANT THEN THEY COME BACK AGAIN AND THEY WANT SOMETHING ELSE. THEN THEY COME BACK AND WANT SOMETHING ELSE. THEY'RE PLAYING THE SHELL GAME WITH US. SO WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S

UNDER THE SHELL UNTIL IT'S VOTED IN AND THEN IT'S TOO LATE. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: THANK YOU,

CHARLIE. JOHN BENTLEY. AND WE HAVE KEN CONRAD ON DECK. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: JOHN BENTLEY, 3063 HAVEN GATE DRIVE. I WAS KIND OF SOLD ON SOMETHING DIFFERENT WHEN I CAME HERE.

FIRST TIME I EVER CAME TO A COMMISSION MEETING. I'LL TRY TO COME TO MORE. I SUPPORT LESS HOMES. IT DOESN'T REALLY MATTER HOW MANY YOU GOT FOR LAND USE, THE SAME PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE IN THERE MESSING WITH THE LAND. I LIKE TO TELL COMMISSIONER BOLLA THAT I LIKED HIM WHEN WE HAD THE TRAFFIC STUDY AND IT WAS ON THE NATIONAL AVERAGE, HE CAUGHT THAT. EVERYBODY DOES WORK IN JACKSONVILLE. I WANT TO THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR TIME AND ALL THE THINGS YOU DO. AGAIN I DO SUPPORT THIS. THE LESS DENSITY THE HOMES IN THAT PARTICULAR AREA WOULD BE A GOOD THING I

BELIEVE. THANK YOU. >> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: CAN WE GIVE HIM EXTRA TIME. JUST

TEASING [LAUGHTER] >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: THANK YOU,

SIR. JOHN BENTLEY? KEN CONRAD. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: LITTLE BIT OF A SURPRISE WITH THE PLAN THEY SHOWED WITH THE CHANGING OF THE SIZE OF THE INTERSTATE, OF THE TOLL WAY. I DO HAVE A PROBLEM WITH FIGURING OUT HOW YOU GO FROM LESS UNITS WHEN YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE MORE MASTER PLANNED COMMUNITY AND FEWER RURAL FRINGE. HOW DOES THAT HAPPEN? BUT THAT'S WHAT THEY SAY THEY DO SO I GUESS IT'S OKAY. I CAME INITIALLY KERNELED ABOUT -- THE -- CONCERNED ABOUT -- THE OTHER ONE I LOOKED AT IT AND I A CORDING TO THE MAPS YOU HAVE EAST-WEST 1B SO PROPERTY ON THE WEST-EAST SIDE OF THE TOLL ROAD WILL NOT BE LAND LOCKED. IT WILL HAVE ACCESS ACCORDING TO THE PLANS RIGHT. SO THE REASON FOR CHANGING IT DOES NOT EXIST BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE LAND LOCKED ACCORDING TO THE COMMISSION'S PLANS, RIGHT. EAST-WEST 1B ROAD PLAN THAT GOES FROM APPARENTLY GOES THROUGH THE TOLL ROAD. GOES UNDER THE TOLL ROAD. SO IT'S NOT GOING TO BE

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LAND LOCKED. SO, THERE'S REALLY NO REASON FOR THAT CHANGE. MY OTHER CONCERN WAS THAT ACCORDING TO THE TRAFFIC PEOPLE WE WERE TOLD AT THE MEETING THAT MR. HENDRY WAS AT THEY'RE TRYING TO MAKE THE ROADS GO TOWARDS 209 AND NOT TOWARD THE SOUTH. SO, YOU HAVE TWO ACCESSES TO THE TOLL ROAD. ONE OF COURSE AT HENLEY THEN ONE NORTH OF 16. AND YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU DON'T HAVE THE TRAFFIC ALL GOING THROUGH ACHE -- LAKE ASBURY TO CROSSING A LOT OF RESIDENTIAL AREAS. SO MY BIGGEST POINT THAT I WANTED TO MAKE WAS WHEN THE PLANNING WAS MADE FOR THIS, THE TRAFFIC PEOPLE WERE NOT THERE TO TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN. THAT'S IT.

>> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: OKAY. THANK YOU, MR. CONRAD. MR. CLEMSMAN? AND WE HAVE STEPHEN RIZZO ON

DECK. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER:THA REMEMBER GOOD OLD DAY AS COUPLE OF YEARS AGO WHEN I WAS THE ONLY ONE BANGING ABOUT OVER DEVELOPMENT AND OUT OF CONTROL TRAFFIC AND ALL THE OTHER PROBLEMS. I AM SO PROUD OF ALL THESE PEOPLE BECAUSE NOW WE GET MORE AND MORE INVOLVED. AND THEY DON'T LIKE WHAT THEY'RE SEEING. AND WE VOTE. KEEP THAT IN MIND FOR THE FUTURE. ONE OF THE BIGGEST PROBLEMS WE'RE HAVING WITH THIS REASSESSING AND CHANGING THINGS IS THE MISCONCEPTION ON WHAT PROPERTY RIGHTS ARE. THERE'S A PERVERSE INTERPRETATION THAT PEOPLE ARE USING SAYING IT'S MY PROPERTY AND I CAN DO WHATEVER I WANT WITH IT. WELL THAT'S NOT TRUE. PROPERTY LAW IS A VERY, VERY COMPLICATED AND VOLUMINOUS ENDEAVOR IN THE GOVERNMENT TODAY. AS LONG AS THERE'S EMINENT DOMAIN, IT AIN'T YOUR PROPERTY. AND THE GOVERNMENT CAN COME IN AND TAKE IT AT ANY TIME THEY WANT FOR WHATEVER THEY WANT, ALLEGEDLY FOR THE BETTERMENT OF THE COMMUNITY. YOU DON'T OWN IT. SO, GETTING A SIMPLIFIED CHOICE OF, WELL, DO YOU WANT 3,600 HOUSES OR 3,400 HOUSES, IS RIDICULOUS. YOU SHOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN APPROVED IN THE FIRST PLACE. WHAT WE NEED AND WHAT I WOULD PROPOSE -- AND I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE WOULD AGREE -- IS THE LAKE ASBURY MASTER PLAN HAS GOT TO BE REDONE. WE HAVE TO TAKE IT OUT, LOOK AT IT, STRIP IT DOWN AND PUT COMMONSENSE THINKING INTO THE LAKE ASBURY PLAN. AND, YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN PUSHING FOR A CONSTITUTIONAL CONVENTION BECAUSE THIS COUNTRY HAS CHANGED SO MUCH IN 200 YEARS. THIS LITTLE THING SHOULD BE DONE. APPROVING 40 FOOT LOTS IS A DISGRACE. THE ADDITION OF ALL THIS TRAFFIC AND THE DESTRUCTION OF THE WETLANDS AND THAT WAS SOMETHING ELSE. WHEN THIS LADY HERE MENTIONED THAT THEY WANTED TO MOVE THE 12 PER ACRE OVER SOMEWHERE ELSE BECAUSE THE LAND WAS TOO SQUISHY, THAT TELLS ME YOU ARE EITHER RIGHT UP OR ON TOP OF WETLANDS AND IT'S A GOING TO FAIL. I DON'T THINK THERE'S BEEN ENOUGH INVESTIGATION PUT INTO THIS AT ALL. AND FOR 3,600 HOUSES OR 3,400 THE DIFFERENCE IS NEGLIGIBLE. YOU ARE NOT GOING TO CONVINCE ME THAT THAT'S AN IMPROVEMENT. BECAUSE IT'S NOT. SO, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

>> PUBLIC SPEAKER: I'M STEVE RIZZO. I PUT ON FOR ITEM 15 AND WE'RE ON 14. BUT I'VE GOT A SMALL COMMENT FOR BRADLEY CREEK AND I'D LIKE TO ANSWER MR. ROLLINS QUESTION. WHICH ONE WOULD I RATHER HAVE 3,600 OR 3,400. I WOULD RATHER HAVE THE 3,600 HOMES. THE POINT BEING THE SQUISHY AREA IN THE BACK THAT IS APPROVED FOR HIGHER DENSITY HOUSING IS PRETTY MUCH UNDEVELOPABLE. THEREFORE THE DEVELOPER SAYS -- AND IT IS A BAIT AND SWITCH -- LET'S MOVE THE MORE DENSE AREA UP HERE AND THE LESS DENSE AREA IN THE BACK. THEY MIGHT NOT EVEN DEVELOP THAT AREA IN THE BACK. IT LOOKS PRETTY BAD. HARD TO GET TO. I SAY WE HOLD THEM TO THIS. THE

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MAXIMUM THEY COULD DO IS 3,600 HOUSES. THEY CAN'T GET CLOSE TO THAT. IT WOULD BE BETTER FOR US IF WE DID THAT. THEY'RE MAKING A DECISION THAT'S BETTER FOR THEM NOT THE COMMUNITY. IT'S THEIR JOB, I DON'T BLAME THEM. BUT YOU AS THE GATEKEEPER, YOU HAVE A PLAN IN FRONT OF YOU. THEY'RE THE POWER TO SAY NO. I ASK YOU TO SAY NO TO THAT PLAN. SIR, WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO GO ON WITH

ITEM NUMBER 15 NOW OR WHEN THAT -- >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: GO AHEAD AND DO IT NOW, SIR. THAT'S FINE. IF YOU CAN DO IT IN THE ALLOTTED TIME.

>> PUBLIC SPEAKER: I'M ON ITEM 15. CAN UP RESET THAT TIMER? THANK YOU. STEVE RIZZO ASBURY DRIVE. I'M HERE -- GLAD TO HEAR YOU -- THE LAST MEETING ATTENDED IT WAS PEOPLE HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO WITH WR LAND WHATEVER THEY WANT TO. I UNDERSTAND AND AGREE WITH THAT. YOU ARE NOT HOWEVER OBLIGATED TO GRANT THEIR ZONING CHANGE REQUEST. I AND MANY PEOPLE HERE OPPOSE INCREASING THE HOUSEHOLD DENSITIES IN THIS AREA. WE STOOD UP HERE LAST TIME OBJECTING ON THE GROUNDS OF INADEQUATE ROADS TO MEET THE CURRENT TRAFFIC DEMANDS AND WE'RE TOLD BY MR. HENDRY HE DOESN'T SEE TRAFFIC AS A PROBLEM. I'M HERE TO TELL YOU THAT IT IS. TAKE A FEW MINUTES OF YOUR DAY BETWEEN 3:30 AND 7:00 AND LOOK AT THE BACK-UP OF OUR MAIN EGRESS WHICH IS 220 AND HENLEY AND IT BACKS ALMOST TO NIGHT BOX ROAD. IN THE MORN TRY TAKING 209 TO STATE ROAD 17 AND TRAVEL NORTH. DO A TRAFFIC STUDY. A REAL ONE. DON'T TELL ME THERE'S NO PROBLEM. ALSO 209 AT THE RAILROAD TRACKS. YOU KNOW, THAT LIGHT NEEDS TO GET LOOKED AT. I HEAR 220 IS OWNED BY THE STATE BUT IT'S NOT STATE ROAD 220. EVEN IF THAT'S THE CASE, YOU KNOW, HAVE WE ASKED THE STATE TO FIX THIS INTERSECTION? HOW CAN WE AS CITIZENS HELP YOU PETITION THE STATE TO FIX THAT INTERSECTION? DOES THE STATE OWN THE TRAFFIC SIGNALS. CAN'T WE RETIME THEM SO THERE'S MORE LEFT TURN TIME. CAN'T WE DOUBLE LANE THAT 220 TO HENLEY SOUTH, DOUBLE LANE IT AND GET MORE TRAFFIC THROUGH THERE UNDER ONE, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE NOT THAT EXPENSIVE OF CHANGES BUT IT WOULD HELP WITH THAT CONGESTION. UNTIL WE FIX THAT TRAFFIC PROBLEM, THIS AND ALL ZONING CHANGE REQUEST THAT WOULD INCREASE POPULATION DENSITY WOULD BE DENIED. IF DEVELOPERS WANT THEIR PROJECT APPROVED, PERHAPS A QUID PRO QUO WOULD BE IN ORDER. ONCE SUFFICIENT FUNDS ARE RECEIVED AND THE ROADS A I PROVED TO ALLOW FOR THE TRAFFIC THEIR CHANGES CAN BE GRANTED. IF NOT, THEY'LL HAVE TO DEL THEIR LAND WITH THE CURRENT THREE HOUSING UNITS PER ACRE. PLEASE DON'T BURDEN US WITH MORE TRAFFIC THAN THE CURRENT MAXED OUT INFRASTRUCTURE CAN HANDLE.

MR. CHAIRMAN, WITH YOUR PERMISSION ID I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THOSE IN ATTENDANCE TODAY THAT SUPPORT NOT OVER POPULATING US AND SUPPORT YOU TURNING DOWN THESE DENSITY INCREASES, CAN I

ASK THEM TO RAISE THEIR HAND QUICKLY. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: SURE.

>> PUBLIC SPEAKER: PLEASE DO. THANK YOU. THESE NUMBERS ARE GOING TO CONTINUE TO GROW. OUR WEB PAGES ARE GETTING MORE AND MORE HITS, MORE SHARES. I REALLY WANT TO BE CIVIL ABOUT IT. I DON'T WANT TO GO OUT HOLDING SIGNS. I WANT TO WORK WITH YOU TO COMBAT THAT. I THINK YOU ARE HEARING US A LOT LOUDER. PLEASE DO WHAT'S IN YOUR BEST CONSCIENCE. ONCE AGAIN, I HUMBLY ASK THAT YOU DENY THIS REQUEST UNTIL SUFFICIENT INFRASTRUCTURE IS DONE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. [APPLAUSE]

>>. [INDISCERNIBLE] [LAUGHTER] GO AHEAD.

>> GO AHEAD, MARK. >> I WANT TO SAY THANKS TO COMMISSIONER HENRY FOR COMING TO OUR GROUP WE NEED TO DISCUSS THESE ISSUES.

I WANT TO GET THEIR NAMES CORRECT. MR. LEHMAN AND WANAMAKER WITH HIM AND A GREAT CONVERSATION A GREAT DISCUSSION A LOT OF INFORMATION ABOUT ROADS AND WHAT WAS HAPPENING. WE DID NOT AGREE WITH ANYONE BUT IT WAS PRESENTED FACTUALLY

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INFORMALLY AND THERE WAS GOOD DISCUSSION. MORE COMMUNITIES NEED TO BRING THESE PEOPLE IN AND HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS. AND THE NUMBERS THAT ARE BEING USED, COMMISSIONER ROWLANDS YOUR COMMENTS THE NUMBERS THAT ARE BEING USED ARE THEORETICAL.

YOUR SAYS POTENTIAL AND THAT MEANS NOTHING. THIS IS PART OF THE SHELL GAME.

THIS BUSINESS THEY'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THE BEST WAY TO USE THIS LAND SOIL CONDITIONS MEANS MONEY. IT'S GOING TO COST MORE MONEY TO DEVELOP THAT LAND.

THEY COME TO YOU AND WANT TO MOVE THIS OVER HERE THEY CAN MAKE IT MORE EFFICIENT AND HEAD BACK TO JACKSONVILLE WHEREVER THEY ARE GOING OKAY. FOR US, THAT DOESN'T WORK.

SO THESE CHANGES TO THE ZONING ARE AFFECTING THE ÃAS BURIED MASTER PLAN THE EASY ANSWER IS DON'T CHANGE IT. THERE ARE TOO MANY THINGS. COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE.

WE HAVE BEEN BURDENED BY TRAFFIC STUDIES BEFORE. THIS IS APPLIED TO REZONING REQUEST THERE'S A LOT OF PROMISES THAT REMAIN. WE CAN DO THIS.

WE ARE GOING TO MAKE THIS NICE. THAT'S GREAT. LET'S SEE IT IN WRITING.

LET'S SEE DESIGN DRAWINGS. THOSE MEAN SOMETHING. IF THAT SOMETHING WE WANT TO DO THEY CAN INVEST AND CREATE AND PRESENT TO THE PUBLIC AND MAKE AN INFORMED DECISION AND PUT A SIGNATURE TO THAT EVENT ZONED FAILURE IS ANOTHER COMMENT THAT WAS MADE.

VERY INSIGHTFUL, DIRECT AND TO THE POINT. THIS IS PICKING THESE LITTLE THINGS OUT. WE ARE GOING TO MOVE THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY OVER HERE.

TRAFFIC IS AFFECTED, SCHOOL ZONES ARE AFFECTED. HOW ARE WE GOING TO GET THERE? ARE REMOVING FROM FREE ACCESS ROADS DOWN TO ONE, ARE WE FOLLOWING TRAFFIC TO ONE LOCATION? THEY HAVE NEVER BEEN ANSWERED AND SINCE YOU ARE PIECE MAILING THESE BY THE ZONING REQUEST YOU ARE NOT TAKING INTO ACCOUNT AND YOU WILL GET CAUGHT UP WITH THE ZONED FAILURES AND THERE SEEMS TO BE NO REASON TO SAY YES TO ANY OF THESE ZONING REQUESTS.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >>.

[APPLAUSE] >>. [INDISCERNIBLE] SENATOR BRADLEY COMES TO MIND WE WERE TALKING ABOUT BRADLEY CREEK AND I'D LIKE TO TELL SENATOR BRADLEY SLOW GROWTH IS BETTER THAN FAST GROWTH. SLOW GROWTH IS BETTER THAN FAST GROWTH AND WITH THE PRICES THROUGH THE ROOF AND THE INTEREST RATE MAY BE A LITTLE LOW OR WHATEVER WHEN YOUR PRICES ARE HIGH WE NEED TO LOOK AT LOCAL JOBS AND HOW WE ARE GOING TO SAVE THOSE LOCAL JOBS LATER. WE WILL SAVE THEM WITH SLOW GROWTH AND THEY ARE NOT GOING TO HIRE THESE JOBS OUT TO OTHER FOLKS, YOU WILL KEEP THEM RIGHT HERE IN CLAY COUNTY AND I REMEMBER SITTING HERE WITH Ã SHE WASN'T BY HIMSELF.

I REMEMBER MR. SMITH AND WHEN MR. DASH SET OUT HERE FOR A FEW WEEKS.

WE NEED TO CHANGE THE STAFF BECAUSE I HAVE HEARD TO STAFF PUSHING EVERYTHING THAT COMES HERE. WE ASK YOU STOP PUSHING THINGS THROUGH.

STOP DOING CONGESTION. STOP OVERBUILDING EVERYTHING SO OUR KIDS ARE GETTING HIT ON THE STREETS.UT OUR SIDEWALKS FIRST. I HAVE SAID THAT ON 218 FOR MANY YEARS BEFORE YOU FINALLY DID IT. I JUST ASK YOU TO SLOW IT DOWN.

WHO WOULD WANT TO EVEN MOVE TO CLAY COUNTY WHEN IT'S OUT AND ABOUT AND THIS MEETING IS COMING UP WHERE THE EPA IS SUPPOSED TO BE MEETING. I DON'T THINK THEY WERE ASKED TO COME TO THE LAST MEETING OR SURELY THEY WOULD HAVE COME, IF WE ARE TRYING TO DEAL WITH THIS, IT'S A MAJOR PROBLEM IN CLAY COUNTY.

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>> WE ARE LIMITING OUR COMMENTS TO THOSE ON THE AGENDA. YOU NEED TO GET BACK TO TALK TO

THAT PARTICULAR ITEM. >> TALKING ABOUT 972 ACRES ON TALKING ABOUT SMALLER ACREAGE AND LARGER BUILDINGS WE CAN EVEN DO RIGHT NOW.

WE DON'T HAVE A FIRE TRUCK TO DO THIS. SO WHY DO WE KEEP PUSHING ALL OF THIS STUFF THROUGH? WHY DO WE ONLY GIVE THEM 30 DAYS? WE SHOULD HAVE GIVEN THEM 30 OR 60 OR SIX MONTHS.

>> I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND I HAVE BEEN COMING HERE FOR YEARS AND YEARS WITH CERTAIN INDIVIDUALS TELLING YOU GUYS THIS IS THE KIND OF ROOM PACKED FULL OF MEETINGS WE ARE GOING TO HAVE AND WE ARE SITTING HERE TODAY DEALING WITH WHAT WE HAVE BEEN TELLING YOU FOR YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS. I JUST DON'T THINK IT IS RIGHT AND A LOT OF THESE PEOPLE WHO ARE COMPLAINING DON'T EVEN PAY THE IMPACT FEE SO WHY DO WE CARE IF THEY ARE SITTING IN TRAFFIC?THIS SHOULD BE DISCLOSED TO ANYBODY WANTING TO BUY IN CLAY COUNTY.

>> THAT'S NOT THE POINT OF THE ITEM ON THE AGENDA. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

>> DENNIS Ã1835 SPRING CIRCLE. I WOULD LIKE YOU TO VOTE THIS DOWN.

I WAS SURPRISED TO HEAR ONE OF YOU COMMISSIONERS ASKED THIS GUY WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO IF YOU VOTE IT DOWN? YOU HAVE AN ATTORNEY, ASK HER. I SUGGEST IF YOU'RE GOING TO PASS, PASS IT WITH WHAT WAS PASSED BEFORE AND TELL THEM TO BUILD IT.

DON'T CHANGE IT. THEN LET THEM TAKE IT TO COURT AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS.

BECAUSE IF YOU PASS IT ONE WAY AND THEY WANT TO CHANGE IT, THAT IS A VARIANCE.

WHY ARE YOU LETTING THEM CHANGE IT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE STREAM? I DON'T GET THIS DENSITY.

HOW ARE WE GOING TO GET LESS WITH MORE IF WE GO 3 TO 5 AND WE GO 5 TO 12 I KNOW I GRADUATED HIGH SCHOOL AT 66 BUT BY GOD, I USED A PENCIL AND PAPER.

IT LOOKS LIKE THE DEVELOPERS SEEM TO BE RIDING THE MASTER PLAN INSTEAD OF US TAXPAYERS.

YOU WORK FOR US. WE PAY YOUR WAGES SO PLEASE DO WHAT WE WANT NOT WHAT THE DEVELOPERS WANT. AND MR. ROWLANDS, I WOULD APPRECIATE IF WE WOULD PUT THE 3500 BUILDINGS DOWN HERE AT KEYSTONE HEIGHTS, I BET YOU WOULD VOTE FOR THAT, WOULDN'T

YOU? >> I AM NOT VOTING FOR 3500 HOMES. IT'S NOT A CHOICE.

>> THAT'S WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE UP THERE.

>> IT'S NOT APPROVED, IF IT'S WE SWITCH IT OR NOT.

>> I THINK IT'S TIME THE COMMISSIONERS AND THE STAFF WORK FOR THE TAXPAYERS AND NOT THE BUILDERS. I THINK IT'S TIME WE WORK TOGETHER.

WE ARE HERE TO PAY TAXES AND WE ARE HERE TO SUPPORT YOU BUT YOU HAVE TO STOP THESE BUILDERS FROM COMING AND GOING. I WOULD APPRECIATE IT AND IF IT GOES TO A LAWSUIT IF THE STAFF RECOMMENDS FOR YOU TO DO IT THIS WAY AND YOU TURN IT DOWN, THEN LET THE STAFF PAY FOR THE LAWSUIT. TAXPAYERS ARE GETTING TIRED OF PAYING FOR THE LAWSUIT.

LISTEN TO WHAT WE WANT. WE PAY THE TAXES. DEVELOPERS COME AND GO.

I WOULD REALLY APPRECIATE IT AND I THOUGHT THIS WAS GOING TO BE OPEN BUT I GAVE THAT LADY MY CARD. IF YOU AIN'T GOT THAT CARD, SOMEWHERE BETWEEN THERE AND

THERE IT DISAPPEARED. >> I HAVE YOUR CARD AND YOU

WERE CALLED ON EARLIER. >> THAT WAS TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING ELSE. THIS IS 14. THAT WAS 13.

>> DID YOU TURN INTO CARDS? >> NO.

IT WAS A ÃWHAT IS IT? THE PUBLIC HAS THE RIGHT TO VOTE.

>> THE POINT IS YOU HAVE A RIGHT TO SPEAK. YOU HAD YOUR TIME TO SPEAK.

>> THIS WAS ON 14 I WAS SPEAKING ON. I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME VERY

MUCH. >> JIMMY?

>> COMMISSIONERS. GOOD TO SEE YOU ALL. I AM NOT SURE HOW TO START THIS BUT 45 YEARS I HAVE BEEN A RESIDENT MY NEIGHBORS AND MY WIFE'S FAMILY HAVE BEEN THERE.

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SOME OF THERE ARE STILL THERE 87 YEARS THEY HAVE BEEN THERE ALL THEIR LIFE.

SO IT'S NEAR AND DEAR TO A LOT OF PEOPLE. MY SON IS HERE TONIGHT AND HIS LITTLE KIDS ARE MOVING BY ME ACROSS THE ROAD WAITING TO GET OUT OF THE SUBDIVISION WE ARE SMACK IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS. WE ARE HALF WAY. SO THE CITIZENS CALL ME AND ASKED ME A LOT OF QUESTIONS I HAVE CALLED YOUR STAFF ALL WEEK AND THEY ARE SO GRACIOUS.

HOWARD AND THE STAFF HAVE BEEN GRACIOUS TO ANSWER AS MANY QUESTIONS AS POSSIBLE.

THERE'S A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS I WANT TO ASK YOU ALL THAT I AM NOT CLEAR ON AND THE MASTER-PLANNED COMMUNITY HAS A VARIABLE, A RANGE OF WHAT WE HAVE HEARD ALL NIGHT LONG.

BUT IN THE MASTER PLAN IT HAS TO HAVE AN AVERAGE ON A PARCEL OF NO MORE THAN FIVE ACRES.

FIVE UNITS PER ACRE. THANK YOU FOR CLEARING THAT UP. THE QUESTION IS THAT THEY FLIP-FLOP THIS THE MASTER-PLANNED PART CAN BE A VARIABLE OF 3 TO 12 BUT THE Ã NOT. IT'S LOCKED IN AT THREE OR FIVE.

IS THAT RIGHT? WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF YOU FLIP-FLOP THAT SUNLIGHT ON THAT ÃTHAT SHOWED UP A FEW MINUTES AGO THAT COMES UP ON SANDRIDGE BY THE BALLPARK, PEOPLE HAVE ASKED ME ALL WEEK, EVEN WITH STAFF I GUESS I DID NOT ASK THE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS.T DID NOT REGISTER UNTIL TONIGHT. IF YOU FLIP THE MASTER-PLANNED COMMUNITY OVER THERE THEY COULD BUILD APARTMENTS. IN FRONT OF THE BALLPARK. WHY NOT?

>> THE APARTMENTS ARE TO BE LOCATED AROUND THE VILLAGE CENTER SO THERE COULD BE SOME IN THE VILLAGE CENTER AND AROUND THE VILLAGE CENTER SO IT SMACK IN THE MIDDLE OF THE

PROPERTY. >> NO WAY IN THE FUTURE BECAUSE OF THE VARIABLE THERE DESIGNATE. IT HAS TO BE IN THAT DESIGNATED

AREA. >> IS SUPPOSED TO GO AROUND THE VILLAGE CENTER AND IT COULD HAVE A GROCERY STORE A CVS KIND OF PHARMACY MOST OF THE SHOPS

LIKELY TO BE SMALL-SCALE >> SO CAROLYN ONE MORE QUESTION >> AN OVERALL DENSITY FOR THE WHOLE PLAN BUT IT'S NOT NECESSARILY A DENSITY FOR ANY PARTICULAR ACRE.

>> IS THERE ANYONE IN THE COUNTY THAT MAINTAINS AND OVERSEES THAT THOSE OF THE

QUESTIONS PEOPLE ARE ASKING. >> THAT'S WHAT WE DO A COMPREHENSIVE UPDATE SO FAR WE HARDLY HAD ANY DEVELOPMENT AFTER THIS MASTER PLAN MOST OF THE DEVELOPMENT WAS EXISTING PRIOR TO THE MASTER PLAN FOR NEW DEVELOPMENT HASN'T COME IN.

THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO CREATE A PLAN TO MAKE THE ROAD SYSTEMS WORK AND PAY THEIR FAIR SHARE I HAVE NEVER HEARD IN ANY OF THESE HEARINGS IN THE WHOLE REGION AND OUR BONDING THING NO

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ONE HAS SAID WHERE OR WHAT HAPPENED TO THAT GROUP CAN ANYONE ANSWER THAT? THAT I CANNOT ANSWER. WHAT HAPPENED TO THAT.

>> ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE TRANSPORTATION COMMITTEE?

>> >> THAT TRANSPORTATION COMMITTEE WAS PART OF THE MASTER PLAN TRYING TO PLAN FOR GROWTH IN TRAFFIC. I WOKE UP AND WAS OUTSIDE LOOKING UP TO THE HIGHWAY AND A LOT OF TIMES I DON'T LOOK AT MY WATCH BUMPING DOWN SANDRIDGE AND IT'S BEEN SAID HERE TONIGHT THIS IS EAST OF US NORTH OF US THAT'S WHAT THESE PEOPLE AND MYSELF AND EVERYONE HAS A CONCERN OF. IT DOES APPEAR MR. RUSSO IN SEVERAL FOLKS WHO MADE COMMENTS, IT WOULD MAKE MORE SENSE PROBABLY FOR THE CITIZENS FOR IT NOT TO BE CHANGED OR SWAMPED BECAUSE THERE IS GOING TO BE SOME LAND THERE AND THOSE NUMBERS CAN BE ADJUSTED. THEY CAN BE DECEIVING FOR THE CIRCUMSTANCES OF TODAY I WOULD URGE YOU FROM WHAT I HEAR OF THE CONSENSUS IN THE BEST INTEREST I WOULD URGE YOU NOT TO VOTE FOR THIS, TO SWITCH IT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> THE CARD I TURNED IN WAS FOR ITEM 14. BUT ACTUALLY LISTENING TO THAT I LEARNED A LOT OF THINGS THAT I DID NOT REALIZE AND THAT PERTAINS TO THE INCIDENT HERE WHEN YOU SAY FIVE THAT DOES NOT MEAN ÃAND THAT GOES FOR THE TOTAL AND IN MY CONSTRUCTION BUSINESS IN MY LIFETIME I HAVE MOVED A LOT OF DIRT I HAVE NEVER HEARD OF A ÃBEFORE.

THAT'S A NEW ONE ON ME. AND SEE WHAT I CAN COME UP WITH AND ALSO I AM A LITTLE CONCERNED WITH THE NUMBERS TWO OR THREE READING AND THEN WE ARE GOING TO MOVE BACK TO A 2 TO 5 AND IN THE PROCESS WE HAVE NOT MENTIONED ANYTHING ABOUT 12 AND YOU CAN BUILD ALL OF THESE UNITS FOUR STORIES HIGH MANY OF THEM DON'T FIT ON AN ACRE AS LONG AS YOU DON'T EXCEED 12 PER TOTAL PROPERTY AND I WOULD SUGGEST ALL OF YOU GET A COPY OF THAT REPORT WITH THE HOUSING AND THE UNITS AND AFTER ALL OF THIS IS DONE I GUARANTEE YOU NONE OF THE UNITS THAT ARE BUILT, NONE OF THE UNITS FOR THE APARTMENT COMPLEX THAT YOU HAVE LOOKED AT TONIGHT, AND ON TOP OF THAT I DON'T WANT TO DISCUSS THE FACT THAT MOST OF THESE HOMES WILL HAVE FAMILIES IN THEM AND CARS AND YOU HAVE A COMPLEX THEY ARE WITH 12 UNITS OF NO TELLING HOW MANY CARS AND SO WE ARE PUTTING SUCH A HUGE BURDEN ON OUR INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WE NEED TO SLOW DOWN AND I AM ALL FOR BUILDING BUT I THINK WE NEED TO SLOW DOWN AND TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION ALL OF THOSE THINGS AND THE COST FOR THE INFRASTRUCTURE TO SUPPORT UTILITIES AND SEWER AND WATER AND ALL OF THOSE THINGS AND I DON'T THINK OUR UTILITIES ARE AHEAD OF ANYONE ELSE IN THIS COUNTY. I APPRECIATE YOU TAKING TIME. THANK YOU.

>> THANKS AGAIN FOR YOUR SERVICE AND FOR YOURS ANYTIME MY ADDRESS IS 3334 THUNDER

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ROAD. AND I WANT TO KNOW WHERE KIDS ARE GOING TO SCHOOL.

ÃIS AT CAPACITY. AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION THEY ARE MAXED OUT SO FROM THE INFRASTRUCTURE SIDE I DON'T SEE WHERE IT'S GOING. THE ÃMASTER PLAN GEORGE BUSH WAS THE PRESIDENT WHEN THAT THING WAS DESIGNED. THE ONLY THING IS DEVELOPERS HAVE COME IN, OR SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE. AND SOMEBODY NEEDS TO DO SOMETHING WITH THIS MASTER PLAN. THIS IS ACTUALLY SOUTH OF 218.

IT'S MORE THAN THAT AREA WE ARE ALL TALKING NOW BECAUSE OF NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE DEVELOPED BUT THE WHOLE MASTER PLAN RUNS UP INTO MY BACKYARD ON THUNDER ROAD.

SO SOMETHING TO BE THINKING ABOUT. THESE GUYS ARE COMING IN AND ANOTHER GROUP COMING AND SPEAKING IS YOU HAVE THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE AND I THINK IT'S TIME FOR THESE GUYS TO GET SOME KIND OF ÃTHEY'RE GOING TO HAVE THESE RESIDENTS IN THERE AND A DIFFERENT CONVERSATION WILL BE COMING UP AND THE WHOLE PLAN NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT ITS EARLY AM I'M SURE THEY'RE GOING TO DEVELOP IT BUT IF THEY DON'T HAVE A PLACE FOR THE KIDS TO GO TO SCHOOL OR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT TO HANDLE THOSE PEOPLE AND THANKS FOR YOUR

TIME. >> ALL RIGHT.

I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ÃANY FURTHER QUESTIONS FROM STAFF?

COMMENTS IN GENERAL? >> IF THE DECISION HERE TONIGHT WAS DO I WANT 3500 HOMES IN LAKE AS VERY OR NOT, THE ANSWER WOULD BE NO.

SOME PEOPLE SAID YOU WANT 3500 HOMES IN KEYSTONE. THAT'S NOT THE DECISION BEFORE US. AM JUST CLARIFYING IF WE VOTE NO ON THIS IT DOESN'T STOP A LOT OF HOUSES FROM GOING

THERE. >>.

[INDISCERNIBLE] >> FOLKS, NO MORE COMMENTS FROM THE AUDIENCE.

IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK, >> ANYWAY.

>> GO AHEAD. >> I WAS GENERALLY IN FAVOR OF LESS HOUSES BUT IF THE BELIEF IS DUE DILIGENCE HASN'T BEEN DONE IN TERMS OF THE NEW ONES IF THEY CAN OR CAN'T PUT NEW HOUSES THERE I AM FINE WITH SLOWING THAT DOWN.

I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND. I THINK THERE IS A PERCEPTION THAT THIS WILL STOP DEVELOPMENT FROM HAPPENING, WHICH IT IS NOT. I AM FINE WITH ÃI DON'T HAVE

ANY ISSUE WITH THAT. >> ALL IN FAVOR OF LEAVING IT

AS IS? [INDISCERNIBLE] >> SO ARE WE DOWN FOR A MOTION?

ON THIS PARTICULAR ITEM? >> DO WE HAVE TO PUT IT FORWARD TO ADOPT AND. [INDISCERNIBLE] IN A NEGATIVE WAY?

>> YOU CAN DO IT EITHER WAY. >> I WAS CURIOUS IF WE NEEDED TO PUT FORWARD THE MOTION TO ADOPT AND. [INDISCERNIBLE] PUT THE MOTION

FORWARD. [INDISCERNIBLE] >>.

[INDISCERNIBLE] >> IT IS YOUR DISTRICT.

>> I WILL MOVE TO APPROVE. >> SECOND.

>> MOTION DENIED. MOTION DIES FOR A LACK OF A SECOND.

>> MAKING A MOTION TO NOT ACCEPT THE STAFF REPORT.

>> THE DISCUSSION. >> THIS IS KIND OF A GROWTH

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REVOLT GOING ON HERE AND I UNDERSTAND THERE ARE 900 PEOPLE A DAY MOVING INTO FLORIDA AND PEOPLE WILL CONTINUE TO MOVE HERE. WHAT DOES THAT DO TO US? I DON'T KNOW. I THINK WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS A REFERENDUM SOMEHOW THE TAX ISSUE ÃWANTED TO EXPAND GETTING MORE USER TAX ITEM ON HOW WE WORD THIS BUT WE HAVE AN ELECTION COMING UP WE NEED TO LOOK AT LIMITING GROWTH SOMEHOW.

I'M NOT SURE HOW YOU DO THAT BUT AT THE SAME TIME I WOULDN'T MIND GOING OUT ASKING THE PUBLIC IF CONSCIOUSLY WE WANT TO SLOW THINGS DOWN. AND I HEAR THAT FROM MY DISTRICT AS WELL AND IT'S NOT AS EXPLOSIVE AND I WOULD NOT BE OPPOSED TO DOING THAT.

WE KNOW WE CAN'T STOP IT BUT WE CAN CERTAINLY DO THINGS TO CONSCIOUSLY SLOW DOWN.

AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE WANT TO PUT A COMMITTEE TOGETHER AND EVEN IF IT'S Ã

>> IT'S CALLED INFRASTRUCTURE COMMITTEE AND FOUND OUR NEXT MEETING IS GOING TO BE APRIL 7 SO SOMETIME BETWEEN NOW AND APRIL 7 WE CAN COME UP WITH SOME OPTIONS OR ANSWERS AND QUESTIONS AND MOVE FORWARD FROM THERE.

>> WHATEVER THAT TURNS OUT TO BE.

>> WE HAVE A MOTION TO ¦ [INDISCERNIBLE] A MOTION NOT TO ADOPT.

ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. ALL OPPOSED. SO.

[INDISCERNIBLE] [APPLAUSE] >> MOVING ON TO ITEM 15.

[15. 5:00 Time Certain of as soon thereafter as can be heard: Public Hearing to Consider Rezoning Application Z-19-21: LA RF to LA MPC located west of Bradley Creek and east of Henley Road. (Commission District 5, Commissioner Hendry). P.C. voted 6-0.to approve)]

>> MR. CHAIR? ITEM 15 WAS A RE-ZONE CONSISTENT WITH THE PROPOSED LAND USE AMENDMENT. MAYBE WE CAN ASK THE APPLICANT IF HE WOULD LIKE TO WITHDRAW HIS APPLICATION. HE WANTS A VOTE.

>> HE WANTS A VOTE. >> WOULD YOU MAKE A

PRESENTATION IF THIS AFFECTS Ã >> THIS WAS A REZONING TO CHANGE FROM LAKE ASBURY ÃON THE 605 ACRES WEST OF BRADLEY CREEK. SINCE YOU DON'T HAVE THE MPC LAND USE DESIGNATION, WE CAN'T GO FORWARD WITH SUGGESTING YOU CAN CHANGE THAT AT THIS POINT.

>> YES SIR. >> BASED ON THE VOTE ON THE FUTURE LAND USE, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE IS A CERTAIN TIMEFRAME WITH RASPBERRY BEFORE YOU CAN COME BACK WITH THE REQUEST IF WE WERE TO COME BACK WITH A MORE DETAILED PLAN FOR THE

REZONING. >> YOU'VE GOT FRIENDS FOR THE

EASTERN PORTION. >> WE WILL WITHDRAW THAT ONE SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE PRESENTATION. STREAMER THAT HAS BEEN WITHDRAWN BY THE APPLICANT, IS THAT CORRECT?

>> THANK YOU, SIR. >> ITEM 16.

[16. 5:00 Time Certain or as soon thereafter as can be heard - Final Public Hearing to Amend Land Development Code to Delete Permit Requirements for Home Occupation Conditional Use (P.C. voted 6-0 to approve)]

>> SPENT WITH THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE TO DELETE PERMIT REQUIREMENTS FOR HOME

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OCCUPATION CONDITIONAL USE PLAN BY THE ÃPASSED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

>> THIS SHOULD BE A PIECE OF CAKE HOPEFULLY.ONS ARE IDENTIFI AS ADDITIONAL USE REQUIRES ALL HOME OCCUPATIONS AND THIS IS OBVIOUSLY A PARAPHRASE AND NO EVIDENCE OF SUCH USE OCCURS MEANING THEORETICALLY ÃHOW MANY RESIDENTS ALREADY CONDUCT BUSINESS OUT OF THEIR HOUSES KNOWING THIS REQUIREMENT. BUILDING PERMIT, PEOPLE CONDUCT THIS OUT OF THEIR HOUSE AND WE FIGURED WHY REQUIRED ÃAND PARAGRAPH 358 CONDITIONS THAT NEED TO BE MAKE SURE HOME OCCUPATIONS ARE ADHERED TO WITH OUR WITHOUT A PERMIT Ã REQUIREMENTS NO PERMIT VIOLATIONS A CODE ENFORCEMENT ISSUE. AND WE WORKED VERY HARD TO ENFORCE IT AND STAFF ÃAPPROVAL FOR CHANGES TO THE DEVELOPMENT CODE AND Ã

>> STATEMENT CAN YOU GIVE US AN IDEA AS TO WHAT HOME OCCUPATIONS ARE NOT COVERED?

>> UNDER THIS >> THE HOME OCCUPATION THAT WOULD BE COVERED IF SOMEONE WHO DOES WORK, WHOSE HOUSES HIS OFFICE. HE'S NOT ALLOWED TO HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC. IF YOU MAKE AN ITEM YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO HAVE PEOPLE COME BY TO A PLACE, YOU HAVE TO TAKE IT TO A PLACE OF RETAIL TO SELL IT.

AND IT'S PRETTY MUCH WITH THE INCREASE IN THE INTERNET USAGE AND INTERNET BUSINESS, THERE'S A LOT MORE HOME OCCUPATION IN THE COUNTY AND PEOPLE WHO WORK OUT OF THEIR HOUSE.

NO ONE CAN COME TO THEIR HOUSE TO CONDUCT BUSINESS THERE.

>> SOMEONE WHO TELECOMMUTE'S? >> THIS MAKES IT EASIER FOR PEOPLE TO HAVE HOME OCCUPATION. SUBMIT THE PERMIT IS $250 AND HAS TO BE RENEWED ANNUALLY.

AND THEY WOULD STILL HAVE A CODE VIOLATION.

>> ALSO I WOULD LIKE TO MENTION AND THIS IS GOING TO PREEMPT OUR ABILITY TO LEGISLATE Ã REQUIREMENTS ON HOME OCCUPATION AFTER OCCUPATIONAL LICENSING AND THEY ARE MOVING IN THE DIRECTION AND MAKING IT GO AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE.

>> I HAVE A QUESTION HERE, IS THERE A PROBLEM, I GET COMPLAINTS WHEN PEOPLE PUT THEIR OWN TOW TRUCK, IN FRONT OF THE DRIVEWAY OR IN FRONT OF THE HOUSE.