Oct 27, 2026 BCC Agenda

[CALL TO ORDER]

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PLEASE STAND BY THE IMPLICATION. >> PLEASE PRAY FOR ME IF YOU WILL P-LETTER -- IF YOU WILL BETTER THANK YOU BARBARA AND US YOUR SAFETY TO CONDUCT THE BUSINESS OF THE COUNTY WITH THE PEOPLE OF CLAY COUNTY.

BEAR SO BLESSED TO LIVE HERE IN THIS GREAT COUNTY IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA AND THE UNITED STATE OF AMERICA.

OUR THOUGHTS AND PRAYERS ARE WITH THOSE OF US WERE NOT HERE, FIGHTING ABROAD AND BITING WARS AND DEFENDING OUR FREEDOM.

I PRAY THAT YOU WILL KEEP SAFE THOSE WHO ARE HERE WORKING, OUR FIREFIGHTERS AND THOSE WHO ARE IN THE ROOM.

WORKING HARD FOR OUR CITIZENS O FLORIDA.

AND WE PRAY THEY WILL GO IN BATTLE AND THE FACE OF DANGER -- WE PRAY THAT YOU WILL GIVE US WISDOM TONIGHT TO MAKE DIFFICUL DECISIONS AND IN THE SUNSHINE FOR THE PEOPLE OF CLAY COUNTY FOR PEOPLE TO BE WITH OUR THOUGHTS AND OUR MINDS AND OUR WORDS AND THEY WOULD BE YOUR WORDS AND GIVE US GRACE FOR THOSE MISTAKES THAT WE MAKE AND THAT YOU WILL GIVE US WISDOM TO KNOW WHAT YOU WOULD HAVE US TO DO.

AMEN. >> ALRIGHT.

TODAY WE ARE HONORED WELCOME STAFF SERGEANT -- STAFF SERGEANT PROUDLY SERVED FOR NEARLY TEN YEARS BEFORE RECEIVING HIS HONORABLE DISCHARGE IN DECEMBER OF 1982.

DURING HIS CAREER MICHAEL CALCANIS SERVED AS SECURITY POLICE OFFICER AT UPPER HEBERLING CLIFTON BEFORE SERVIN AS AN HVAC TECHNICIAN IN NEW MEXICO.

INSPIRED BY HIS TWO OLDER BROTHERS WHO SERVED IN THE ARMY AND NAVY, STAFF SERGEANT MICHAE CALCANIS CHOSE TO JOIN THE AIR FORCE. THROUGHOUT HIS MILITARY SERVICE HE LEARNED VALUABLE LESSONS OF DISCIPLINE AND LEADERSHIP AND THE IMPORTANCE OF FOLLOWING INSTRUCTIONS.

THESE LESSONS CONTINUE TO INFLUENCE HIM TODAY.

FOLLOWING THAT HIS MILITARY SERVICE, STAFF SERGEANT MICHAEL CALCANIS CONTINUED HIS PUBLIC SERVICE AND SERVES AS BUILDING MANAGER FOR THE CLAY COUNTY BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS.

WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR DEDICATED SERVICE AND FOR YOUR CONTINUED CONTRIBUTIONS TO THE COUNTY. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND

JUSTICE FOR ALL. >> THANK YOU ALL FOR HAVING ME.

I APPRECIATE IT. [APPLAUSE] BE SEATED. CALLED TO ORDER THE BOARD OF COMMIT COUNTY COMMISSIONERS MEETING.

[PET ADOPTIONS]

PEOPLE GO ON TO ADOPTION -- BOX NEUTER MALE DOMESTIC SHORTHAIR AND WEIGHS 3 POUNDS. I'M FOX AND I MAY BE SMALL, JUS OVER 2 POUNDS AND A LITTLE SHY AT FIRST BUT DON'T LET MY QUIET NATURE OF WILL YOU. OF A LOT OF GROWING AND EXPLORING AHEAD OF ME. I'M SO FIGURE OUT THIS BIG WORL SO LITTLE PATIENCE AND LOVE WOULD GO A LONG WAY.

WANT TO BE PART OF MY HAPPILY EVER AFTER, COMMENT MEET ME AT THE SHELTER AND LET'S SEE IF WE ARE A PERFECT MATCH.

>> FIRST DOG TODAY IS SKIPPY, A NEUTERED MALE AND FOUR YEARS OLD . 57 POUNDS AND IS HEARTWORM NEGATIVE. I'M STILL WORKING ON PERFECTING MY MANNERS. I'M A STRONG GUY WHO LOVES PEOPLE AND KIDS I'M LOOKING FOR AN ADOPTER WHO CAN HELP ME POLISH MY SKILLS AND REACH MY FULL POTENTIAL.

I WILL NEED A HOME WITHOUT CATS OR CHICKENS AND SOMEONE READY T HELP ME BE THE BEST BOY I CAN BE .

THANK YOU ARE UP FOR THE CHALLENGE, COME AND MEET ME AT CLAY ANIMAL SERVICES. OUR NEXT CAT IS PAP RICA, A NEUTERED MALE AND WEIGHS 3 POUNDS.

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LASTLY WE HAVE VIOLET COME UP WEIGHS 43 POUNDS AND IS HEARTWORM POSITIVE BUT THE TREATMENT IS BEING SPONSORED.

MEET VIOLA, THIS HAPPY HIGH-ENERGY GIRL IS SOCIAL AND PLAYFUL AND LOVES MAKING FRIEND SHE ENJOYS ROMPING AROUND WITH OTHER DOGS AND AS A PEOPLE LOVING SWEETHEART WHO IS COMFORTABLE WITH FAMILY. WELL HAS A FUN-LOVING PERSONALITY BUILT LOOKING FOR PLAYFUL COMPANION WHO WILL KEEP YOU SMILING, COME AND MEET IF YOU'RE READY TO MEET YOUR NE BEST FRIEND, ANIMALS ARE READY TO ADD EXTRA LOVE TO YOUR HEART.

IF YOU WANT TO SEE WHO IS AVAILABLE, YOU CAN MEET OUR ADORABLE CRUDE LOOKING FOR THEI FOREVER HOME AND IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS YOU CAN DROP US A LIN AT CLAY ADOPTIONS.

DON'T WAIT. YOUR NEWEST FRIEND IS JUST A CLICK AWAY. THERE ALWAYS NEED IN NEED OF FOSTER HOMES WHERE THEY CAN RECEIVE SOCIALIZATION AND GET WHAT THEY NEED BEFORE ADOPTION. IF SO CONTACT US AT CLAY COUNTY GOB.COM. IF YOU ARE INTERESTED IN HELPIN OUR FURRY FRIENDS BUT YOU BRING ONE HOME, THAT COMPLETES OUR PE ADOPTIONS. WE ARE PROUD TO RECOGNIZE THE

[1. National Adoption Month (November 2026)]

HONORING THE IMPORTANCE OF LOVING PERMANENT FAMILIES IN OU COMMUNITY. I WOULD LIKE TO INVITE MEMBERS OF KIDS FIRST IMPARTED TO JOIN US AT THE FRONT.

COMMISSIONER CONDON IS GOING TO READ THIS PROCLAMATION.

EVERY CHILD DESERVES AN OPPORTUNITY TO GROW UP IN A SAF AND LOVING AND SUPPORTIVE ENVIRONMENT WHERE THEY CAN DEVELOP A SENSE OF BELONGING AN REACH THEIR FULL POTENTIAL AND BUILD A BRIGHT FUTURE. WHEREAS ADOPTION PROVIDES CHILDREN WITH THE OPPORTUNITY T BECOME PART OF A PERMANENT, LOVING -- PART OF PERMANENT LIVING BANDS WHILE STRENGTHENING FAMILY CONNECTIONS AND ENRICHING COMMUNITIES THROUGHOUT FLORIDA AND THE NATION.

AND WHERE INDIVIDUALS CAN PROVIDE LOVING AND PERMANENT HOMES FOR ADOPTION AND PERSPECTIVE PARENTS ARE ENCOURAGED TO LEARN ABOUT THE REQUIREMENTS AND RESOURCES AND SUPPORT AVAILABLE THROUGH THE ADOPTION PROCESS AND WHERE GROUPS IN FOSTER CARE OUGHT TO FACE ADDITIONAL CHALLENGES IN FINDING PERMANENT FAMILIES MAKING IT ESPECIALLY IMPORTANT TO RECOGNIZE THEIR NEED FOR STABILITY AND LASTING RELATIONSHIPS AND WHERE AS NATIONAL ADOPTION MONTH PROVIDE AN OPPORTUNITY TO RAISE AWARENESS AND VIRTUAL GROUP WAITING ADOPTION. KIDS FIRST OF FLORIDA AND CAMELOT COMMUNITY CARE AND HELPING CHILDREN STROKE CLAY COUNTY FINDS A FUN-LOVING AND PERMANENT HOMES AND NOW BE IT RESOLVED THAT THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS OF CLAY COUNTY, FLORIDA DOES HEREBY RECOGNIZE NOVEMBER 23 TO 6 AS ADOPTION MONTH IN CLAY COUNTY DULY ADOPTED BY THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS, CLAY COUNTY FLORIDA, THIS 27TH DAY OF OCTOBER, 2026. PAGE I HAVE MOTION.

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CLEAR. >> I AM A LISBETH FRANKLIN I WANT TO THANK THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS FOR RECOGNIZE THE IMPORTANCE OF ADOPTING FOSTER CARE.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU POINT TO SA ANYTHING BUT I WOULD LOVE FOR YOU TO. YOU DON'T HAVE TO.

DON'T FEEL PRESSURED. YOU GUYS ARE SOMETHING ELSE REALLY. BUT YOU PEOPLE DO, I LOST A SON AND JESUS SAID I'M GOING TO GIV YOU ANOTHER ONE AND WE HAVE BEE BLESSED. WE'VE REALLY BEEN BLESSED BUT I IS TO THE EFFORTS OF END, DANA, I LOVE YOU AND YOU KNOW THAT BU I WILL TELL YOU WHAT SHE HAS GONE THROUGH WITH US.

AND WHAT YOU PEOPLE DO IS UNBELIEVABLE.

GOD BLESS YOU ALL, EACH AND EVERY ONE.

>> THIS IS THE BEST FAMILY I'VE EVER HAD.

>> I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT EVERYBODY OVER 50 OR EVEN 60 NEEDS TO ADOPT A CHILD. NOTEPADS NO PETS, NO CATS, I ADOPT A CHILD BECAUSE THIS LITTLE BOY, EVEN THOUGH HE HAS FAMILY MEMBER, HE HAS CHANGED OUR LIFE AND HE HAS CHANGED OUR MARRIAGE SO IT HAS BEEN GREAT. [APPLAUSE]

[2. National Disability Employment Awareness Month]

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DRY HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR.

IT IS OFFICIALLY IN THE RECORD. CONGRATULATIONS AND THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. TOM NEW HOURS ARE, AND STEP AT YOUNG IS DOWN FRONT TAKING PICTURES LIKE ALWAYS.

PATRICK FIELDS BOARD MEMBER, KAREN ANDERSON.

JOE BINDER EXECUTIVE ASSISTANT AND ADRIAN ANDREWS ERIC HE IS ALSO OUR COUNCIL MEMBER AND HE' OUR VP OF BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT.

WOULD WANT TO THANK YOU FOR THI AND WE APPRECIATE AT.

BUT I APPRECIATE MOST ABOUT THI IS YOU GUYS AND CHRIS CHAMBLISS IS HERE AND YOU OR WERE YOU ARE ABLE TO GO ME YOU ARE APPRECIATING THAT VERY MUCH. WE HAVE 300 PEOPLE APPLY THROUGHOUT THE NORTHEAST FLORID REGION INTO THIRDS OF THOSE FOLKS ARE FOLKS WITH DISABILITIES OR OUR HEADQUARTER IS HERE IN CLAY COUNTY AND THAN SO MUCH FOR YOUR COMMITMENT TO WHAT WE DO. [APPLAUSE]

[3. 2026 143rd Anniversary of First African Missionary Baptist Church]

ALRIGHT, COMMISSIONER, READ THE PROCLAMATION.

>> AND I ASSUME KEN PRINCESS WA NOT ONE OF THE ORIGINALS.

PROUDLY CELEBRATED ITS 143RD ANNIVERSARY 2026 COMMEMORATIVE COMMEMORATING A REMARKABLE LEGACY OF FAITH, PERSEVERANCE AND FELLOWSHIP AND SERVICE TO GENERATION FAMILIES IN CLAY COUNTY. ORGANIZED IN THE FALL OF 1883, THE FIRST AFRICAN MISSIONARY BAPTIST CHURCH WAS FOUNDED TO THE FAITH AND DETERMINATION OF DEACON SAMUEL E PETERSON, PATTERSON, I'M SORRY. AND A HANDFUL OF GOD FEARING CHRISTIANS WHO WANTED TO WORSHI OPENLY.

AND WHEREAS THE CONGREGATION IS GROWING AND LET THE CONSTRUCTIO OF A CHURCH BUILDING CONSTRUCTE ACROSS THE STREET FROM WHERE TH

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THE CLAY COUNTY BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS RECOGNIZES THE HISTORICAL AND CULTURAL SIGNIFICANCE OF THE FIRST AFRICAN MISSIONARY BAPTIST CHURCH AND CELEBRATES ITS 143 RD YEARS OF FAITH AND BRAZILIANS, COMMUNITY LEADERSHI AND CONTRIBUTIONS TO THE SPIRITUAL LIFE OF CLAY COUNTY, FLORIDA AND CONTINUED GROWTH. CLAY COUNTY FLORIDA, THIS 27TH DAY OF OCTOBER, 2026. DRY HAVE A MOTION.

>> MOTION AND SECOND OF ALL THOSE IN FAVOR.

THANK YOU. IT IS INDEED OUR PLEASURE ON BEHALF OF FIRST AFRICAN MISSIONARY BAPTIST CHURCH TO ACCEPT THIS. WE HAVE A LONG HISTORY HERE IN CLAY COUNTY. CURRENTLY AT HIS GRANDSON WHO HAS NOT PRESSED AND HE IS NOT HERE TODAY.

THAT BUT WE ARE VERY HONORED AN PRIVILEGED SHE'S RECEIVED THIS PROCLAMATION. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ALL RIGHT. WE WILL MOVE ON TO CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICERS, WHICH KNOW ARE GOING TO BE SPEAKING

[APPROVAL OF MINUTES]

MOVE ON TWO APPROVAL OF MINUTES. >> MADAM CHAIR, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE COUNTY OF COMMISSIONER MEETING MINUTES FROM OCTOBER 13, 236 AS WELL AS A WORKSHOP MEETING

MINUTES FROM OCTOBER 13, 2026. >> SIEBEL SECOND.

>> I HAVE MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

[PUBLIC COMMENTS]

WILL MOVE ON TO OUR FIRST PUBLI COMMENT AT THIS TIME WILL OPEN OUR FIRST PUBLIC, TEARING A BUSINESS OPPORTUNITY FOR THE PUBLIC TO ADDRESS THE BOARD ON MATTERS OF CONCERN AND PLEASE KEEP IN MIND THIS IS A TIME FOR PUBLIC, AND NOT A QUESTION AND ANSWER OR DEBATE WITH THE BOARD BUT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK PLEASE COMPLETE A COMMENT CARD AND PROVIDED TO YOUR STAFF.

WHEN YOUR NAME IS CALLED PLEASE COME TO THE PODIUM AND STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD IT EAC SPEAK WILL HAVE THREE MINUTES T ADDRESS THE BOARD AND NOT ANYON IN PARTICULAR OR ANYONE PERSONALLY BUT IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS OR WOULD LIKE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION YOU ARE WELCOME TO CONTACT COMMISSIONER

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I WOULD ASK IF YOU HAVE HATS ON TO PLEASE REMOVE THEM.

AND WITH THAT WE WILL OPEN THE FLOOR FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.

MY FIRST ONE, OR THE OTHER ONE HAVE SO IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK AT THIS, WE WILL NEED A CARD FOR YOU.

YOU CAN COME FORWARD. GOOD EVENING.

MY NAME IS CHARLES GRIFFIN AND LIVE IN DISTRICT 4 CLAY COUNTY.

IVE BEEN ADVOCATING FOR SOME TIME FOR CHANGE AT THE BOAT RAMP . MANY OF YOU HAVE SEEN THAT CARD THEY CREATED FOR EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU TO CREATE AWARENESS OF PEOPLE WHO ARE IN THAT DISTRICT.

IT HASN'T EXACTLY CAUGHT ON. I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE ISSUES THAT BEGAN LONG BEFORE ANY OF YOU TOOK SEED.

THE LEVEL OF DEPRECIATION AND -- IS BAD.

THERE IS A LOT OF PROBLEMS THER AND THERE IS NO ADA COMPLIANCE AT ALL APPEAR AT THIS NEVER BEE ANY ADA COMPLIANCE THEY ARE BUT I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE MANDATES THAT THERE BE -- ALL I SEE ITS FUNDING AND ALLOCATIONS FOR OTHER DISTRICTS AND MEANWHILE I'M DOWN THERE DANCING EVERY DAY BUT I DANCE AND I SEE PEOPLE CARRYING FAMIL MEMBERS THROUGH ALL THE ROCKS AND TRIP HAZARDS AND FALLING DOWN. IT IS A SERIOUS ISSUE THAT WE NEED TO ADDRESS. AND AS YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.

I'VE BEEN GELLING AND I KNOW YO DON'T RESPOND.

I USED TO BE BEHIND THE SCHOOL BOARD MEETINGS I AM USE TO SPEAKING ABOUT THIS IS NOT THE PLACE I SEE TO FIGHT THIS.

EACH AND EVERY PART OF YOU HAS YOUR HANDS TIED IN SO MANY DIFFERENT WAYS. I KNOW THAT.

BUT WHEN YOU COME IN AND SIT DOWN, YOU TAKE OWNERSHIP OF THOSE PROBLEMS AND THEY PREDATE CUPID IT HAS BEEN IGNORED.

WE HAVE SEVERAL ISSUES, THE MEN'S BATHROOM DOESN'T HAVE VENTILATION AND OPEN ELECTRICAL BOXES AND STANDING ON WET FLOORS . HAVE YOU SEEN THE WATER.

IF HE SEEN THE PART THAT FEEDS THE BATHROOMS LOOKS LIKE WORLD WAR II. THERE ARE SCREENS THAT ARE OPEN AND BUGS AND KIDS GO IN THERE AND WASH THEIR HANDS IN THERE ABOUT THIS TALL. THEY COULD GET SICK FROM THE WATER. IT IS NOT WATER EVEN FIT FOR A BATHROOM. THE LEFT HAND DOES NOT SEEM TO KNOW PUT THE RIGHT HAND IS DOING .

EACH AND EVERY ONE IF YOU REACH OUT ACROSS LINE.

AND SOMEHOW YOU'VE GOT TO COME TOGETHER.

I AM ABOUT AS A POINT TO FIND FUNDING MYSELF SO I CAN PARTNER WITH THE CITY TO GET THIS DONE BUT TODAY PEOPLE WON'T GET IN GEAR. THANK YOU.

HAVE A GOOD DAY. >> ANYONE ELSE WANT TO SPEAK?

>> DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER CARDS. I'VE BEEN HERE MANY TIMES AND I SPOKE FOR YOU AND THIS TIME I'M GOING TO UPSET A FEW PEOPLE.

I'VE VOTED YES ON AMENDMENT 3 BECAUSE I THINK IT IS TIME ARE GOING TO HAVE TO CUT SOME COSTS BUT COULD BE GOT CUT THE TAXES AND PEOPLE ARE HURTING ESPECIALLY PUT THE GAS AND PUT THE HOUSING BUT WE NEED TO GET OUT THERE AND VOTE YES FOR THE TAX CUTS FOR OUR HOMES. THE OTHER THING I WANT TO KNOW, THE COMMISSIONERS PAY. WE THINK WITH THE AMOUNT OF MANAGERS YOU HAVE IN THIS COUNTY , THINK THE COMMISSIONERS.

IT UP FOR COUPLE OF MEETINGS A MONTH AND WHATEVER ELSE YOU NEE TO DO. AS A PART-TIME JOB.

SO I WOULD APPRECIATE IF PEOPLE WOULD VOTE NO FOR THAT ONE.

I AM A DISABLED VET AND I'M RETIRED, NOT RETIRED FROM THE SURFACE, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT CLEAR BUT IT IS GETTING TOUGH TO LIVE HERE IN FLORIDA WITH THOSE KIND OF COSTS TO THE

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YOU HAVE THIS YEAR'S BUDGET PLU YOU'VE GOT ALL THE MONEY FROM THIS YEAR AND NEXT YEAR'S ADDIN AND I THINK YOU NEED TO START LOOKING AT THAT AND CUT SOME OF THESE OTHER PROJECTS THAT YOU HAVE THERE NOT AS CRITICAL. PERIODS JUST MY OPINION.

WHO ELSE CAN I TALK TO ABOUT TH ANIMAL SHELTER QUESTIONS.

AND THE SERVICE BUILDING COMMANDO THAT WAS BUILT IN THAT WALK-THROUGH AND THERE'S A LOT OF OFFICES THERE AND HAS EVERYONE BEEN MOVED INTO THE SERVICE BUILDING FOR CONFORTI PICKED UP AT THE SPACES HE HAD HERE.

THEY MOVED EVERYONE OUT OF ALL THE OTHER RENTALS THAT YOU HAVE THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY. THAT IS MY QUESTION WE CAN SAVE MONEY GETTING ALL OF THESE RENTALS BUT I APPRECIATE THE TIME AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU DO.

I AM NOT HERE SCREAMING, I AM JUST ASKING.

>> THANK YOU. MAKE SURE YOU GET A CARD.

ANYONE ELSE? SO WE WILL CLOSE THAT COMMENT.

[CONSENT AGENDA]

I WILL TAKE A MOTION. >> I WILL MOVE APPROVAL OF THE

CONSENT AGENDA. >> IPO SECOND THE MOTION.

MOTION AND SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

ANY OPPOSED. PASSES 5-0.

[14. Budget Discussion]

AS FAR AS STAFF WE KNOW YOU'VE REPRESENT OPTIONS AND THIS IS ONLY STAFF SUGGESTIONS I WANT T MAKE THAT CLEAR.

THIS IS NOT THE BOARD DECISION. THIS BOARD HAS MADE IT CLEAR THAT TRANSPARENCY AS A TOP -- AND WOULD WANT ANYTHING TO HAPPEN NEXT WEEK. THAT IS WHAT WE'RE WE ARE DOING THIS FOR TODAY. AND THEN THE BOARD WILL THEN DISCUSS AND MAKE AMENDMENTS AT THAT TIME.

WHETHER A MEMBER THREE PASSES O NOT COMMIT IT IS A CONSTITUTIONAL MANDATE THAT THE TAX AND BUDGET OMISSION NEXT YEAR FOR THE CONSTITUTION. HAPPENS IT IS THIS COMING YEAR AND IS NOT BEING CONVENED. ONE OF THE FUNCTIONS IS TO LOOK AT THE TAX STRUCTURE. AND IT CAME PROPOSE -- AND WE WILL TAKE ISSUES BASED O IF THE AMENDMENT PASSES OR FAILS . I WILL TURN OVER TO OUR COUNTY MANAGER, HOWARD. BUILDING UPON THE SLIDES.

WHICH INCLUDES -- AND BY THE DIRECTION OF THE BOARD TO TAKE A LOOK AT EACH YEAR AND LOOKING AT REDUCTION I THE SECOND YEAR AND 30% REDUCTION PEOPLE GOT TOGETHER A A GROUP AND DEPARTMENT HEADS GO AND THIS IS JUST AN EXERCISE.

AND WE BOTH TAKE DIRECTION THE BOARD.

AND IN THAT SAME SCENARIO, 1530 ABOUT THOSE IMPACTS WOULD BE.

WITHOUT ANY FURTHER DUE OR ANY QUESTIONS THAT I WOULD LIKE TO

TURN THE FLOOR OVER TO TROY. >> MADAM CHAIR, I WOULD LIKE PROPERTY DIRECTOR -- IS GOING TO BE THE PROPERTY

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AND I GUESS I CAN MAKE A QUICK COMMENT, I WOULD BE IN THE ASSESSMENT TAXATION POWER FOR 2 YEARS NOTHING FOR THAT REASON I'M PROBABLY UNIQUELY QUALIFIED. AND FOR THAT REASON I WAS ASKED TO GIVE PRESENTATIONS AROUND TH COUNTY AND THE PUBLIC AND JUST KIND OF SPEAK AS TO THE TAX SAVINGS AND THE LOSS OF REVENUE.

SO I'M GOING TO SPEAK TO THAT TODAY AND I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR THAT 30 YEARS IN THIS BUSINESS HAS GIVEN ME BUT I WOULD CONSIDER TO BE OF REALISTIC PERSPECTIVE.

AND SO ON I'VE GIVEN PRESENTATIONS, THAT IS WHAT I HAVE PROVIDED, REALITY TO THIS SCENARIO.

AND I WANT TO MAKE CLEAR TO PEOPLE HERE AND AT HOME THAT IN NO WAY SHAPE OR FORM HAVE I ADVISED PEOPLE HOW TO VOTE.

I'M NOT GOING TO DO THAT. AND THE IMPACT THAT THIS WILL AFFECT PEOPLE DIFFERENTLY. AND ON THE RECORD IN PUBLIC I WANT TO SAY THAT. I WILL NOT DO THAT PATHETIC MY PROFESSION I AM MY POSITION SERIOUSLY AND I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT I'VE BEEN ASKED TO SPEAK TO THIS BUT IN NO WAY AM GOING TO -- SO I JUST APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SAY THAT. APPRECIATE THE SENSITIVITY AND THEY ARE NEEDING TAX FOR THE. AND I JUST WANT TO BE EDUCATED.

33 JESSICA AU. THAT I'VE BEEN AROUND SINCE AMENDMENT TEN, WHICH IS THE HOMES AMENDMENT WAS IMPLEMENTED AND I'VE SEEN THE INEQUITY THAT IT HAS CREATED.

IS NOT A PERFECT SYSTEM AND WE NEED TAX REFORM AND THEN ADOPT CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENTS, 60% IS A HARD THRESHOLD TO PASS.

I WANT PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND THA IF THIS PASSES OR FAILS, THERE MAY BE OTHER OPPORTUNITIES. AND WITH THAT I WILL SPEAK TO THE AMENDMENT PUTS PARTS OF THI WILL BE THERE SOON.

EARLY VOTING HAS ALREADY BEGAN SAID THE EXEMPTION AMOUNT, BASICALLY WHAT HAPPENED IN YOUR FORMAT, HOMES INCREASES TO 152,250,000 AND THEN IN YEAR THREE, THERE IS AN ANNUAL INFLATION ADJUSTMENT THAT WILL APPLY IF IT IS POSITIVE WHAT THAT MEANS IS, FOR EXAMPLE, LET'S JUST SAY THAT THE INFLATIONARY ADJUSTMENT TO .7% SO IN YEAR THREE MAKE OF THAT EXEMPTION AMOUNT WOULD INCREASE FROM 250,000 TO JUST OVER 256,000. THEM OUT OF WHAT HAPPENS THE

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ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT PART, SO ELIGIBILITY IS THAT IF YOU CAN DETERMINE OR PROVIDE PROOF THAT YOUR PERMANENT.

YOU WOULD BE ELIGIBLE FOR THE INCREASED EXEMPTION OF 150,000.

PERMANENT RESIDENCY DOES NOT MEAN THAT YOU ARE HOMESTEAD.

THAT JUST MEANS THAT IF YOU CAN ESTABLISH PROVIDE PROOF OF PERMANENT RESIDENCY ON THAT DATE , THEN YOU ARE ELIGIBLE, ASSUMING YOU QUALIFY NOW FOR HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION B BUT IF HE COULD NOT PROVIDE OR RESIDENCY, THEN YOU BOARD RECEIVED THE CURRENT HOMESTEAD FOR FOUR YEAR OF $50,000.

A TYPICAL ORDER IS THREE YEARS. IF THEY CAN ESTABLISH PERMANENT RESIDENCY, THAT IS WHAT THIS LA WAS SAYING BUT IF THEY CAN ESTABLISH, USUALLY ACTIVE DUTY, YOU ARE THE CAPTAIN AND YOU CAN RETAIN A HOMESTEAD ON ACTIVE DUTY OR DEPLOYED ORDERS SO IN THE CASE OF THE CAN DETERMINE A HOME IS STATE OF FLORIDA, THAT AS OF THAT DAY, THEY ARE GOING TO BE DEPLOYED AND WOULD BE

ELIGIBLE. >> AFTER FIVE YEARS.

IF THEY ARE ESTABLISHING PRESIDENCY.

THEY ARE GONE. ADD TO YOUR POINT, THERE HAS BEEN A RUMOR THAT THERE IS THAT PORTION OF ELIGIBILITY THAT IS LIKELY CHALLENGED. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THAT.

SO THE OTHER PART IS THAT THE BENEFIT OF AMENDMENT THREE, THERE IS A COMPONENT THAT WOULD ALSO BENEFIT NON-HOMESTEAD PROPERTIES IN THE RIGHT THAT WORKS NOW, WE KNOW THAT YOUR ASSESSMENT CANNOT INCREASE MORE THAN 3% A YEAR.

SO ALSO AN INCREASING MARKET FROM ANYTHING THAT DOES NOT HAV A VACANT LAND COMMERCIAL BUT ANYTHING ELSE IS CURRENTLY THE ASSESSED VALUE AND CANNOT INCREASE MORE THAN 10% A YEAR AND HAS REDUCED THAT DOWN TO 5%. THAT IS VALUE, NOT TAXES.

AT THIS ALSO, THE 10% IN THE VALUE INCREASES, LET'S JUST SAY IT GOES FROM 1 MILLION TO 2 MILLION THE SCHOOL BOARD GETS TAXES ON THAT 2 MILLION. SO THAT THIS COMPONENT IS ALSO HELD HARMLESS FROM THE LIMITATIONS.

ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT. YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE ARE TAX SAVINGS AND REVENUE WOULD BE TH MOST IMPACT.

YOU CAN SEE THAT ST. LUCIE IS THE MOST AND CLAY IS THE SECOND MOST WITH -- CLAY COUNTY PRODUCE OVER 30%.

A QUESTION I GET IS WHY IS CLAY SO HEAVILY IMPACTED AND THE ANSWER IS HOMESTEAD. SEE A LOOK AT THE SLIDE AND YOU CAN SEE THAT OUR TAX BASE OR TH TAXABLE VALUE, 75% OF THAT THE TAX BASE IS IMPROVED RESIDENTIA AND WHICH SHOULD BE NO SURPRISE TO ANYBODY. PICKED 70% OF THAT HAS A HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION. HERE IS THE TAX SAVINGS OR LOSS

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THE TAX SAVINGS WOULD BE ROUGHL $900.

THE LOSS OF REVENUE TO THE BC WOULD BE 40 MILLION ROUGHLY IN THE TAX SAVINGS TO BE ROUGHLY $1,800 FOR HOMESTEAD AND THE REVENUE WOULD ALSO BE APPROXIMATELY 70 MILLION.

IT IS INTERESTING. SO IN YEAR TWO IF THIS PASSES, 62% OF THE EXISTING HOMESTEADS WILL PLAY -- WILL PAY 0 SO THAT IS 37,060,00 HOMESTEADS WOULD PAY 40 SERVICES . AND THEY BOTH ONCE AGAIN -- AND YEARS 1-5, THIS IS FOR THE TAX WATCH TO THE BCC, ROUGHLY

$318 MILLION. >> I THINK IT IS INTERESTING TO GO BACK TO THE PREVIOUS SLIDE. AND YOU CAN SEE THE IMPACT, 4%.

>> IT IS THE COMPOSITION IF YOU LOOK AT MONROE COUNTY, THEY HAV MUCH LOWER AMOUNT OF HOMESTEADS AND AND MORE PROPERTY TYPE ASSESSMENTS. I JUST DID A LITTLE MATH I THIN IT IS IMPORTANT. THIS IS CURRENT LAW APPEARS OF THIS AMENDMENT 3 WOULD ADD ON TOP OF THIS.

SO RIGHT NOW THE FIRST HOMESTEA EXEMPTION THAT YOU RECEIVE IS THE FIRST $25,000 IN VALUE. EXCEPT VALUE FOR THE FIRST HOMESTEAD IS 1,358,000,000 PICKED THAT IS VALUE THAT YOU CANNOT LEVERAGE AGAINST. JUST ON YOUR COUNTY SURFACES FO THIS YEAR, THAT IS A REVENUE LOSS, $7.5 MILLION.

THERE'S 52,000 PARCELS THAT RECEIVE THAT BENEFIT.

IT'S A BILLION 360 IN VALUE THA CANNOT BE TAXED.

AT THE LOSS IN REVENUE IS $7.5 MILLION.

THE SAVE OUR HOMES DIFFERENTIAL IN THE RECENT I MENTIONED THAT US IS I'VE HEARD PEOPLE SAY THE HAVE INCREASED THE HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION AMOUNT SINCE 2008. THE SAVE OUR HOMES DIFFERENTIAL THAT WAS PASSED AS WE KNOW CAN INCREASE THE EXEMPTION AMOUNT BUT ALSO CAPTURES THIS VALUE. SO THE SAVE OUR HOMES DIFFERENTIAL IS THAT ADDITIONAL BENEFIT DU JOUR HOMESTEAD.

THERE 60,666 PARCELS THAT RECEIVE THE BENEFIT THAT ARE CAPPED IN THIS COUNTY. THAT TAXABLE VALUE IS $6 BILLION . SELF REVENUE LOSS OF THE TAX SAVINGS THIS YEAR, $33 MILLION. AND IF YOU APPLY THE NON- HOMESTEAD 10% CAP, YOU HAVE ANOTHER $2.3 MILLION SO THIS YEAR ALONE, ANYTHING ASSOCIATE WITH HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION RELATING TO THAT COUNTY, HAS A LOSS OF ROUGHLY $51 MILLION BECAUSE THE HOMESTEAD IS A DIFFERENT DIFFERENTIAL.

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SO WITH THAT I WILL SPEAK TO MY BUDGET.

YOU GO AHEAD. OVERALL FOR THE COUNTY BUDGET, LOOKING AT THE OVERALL COUNTY BUDGET, GOING DOWN TO 32 MILLION , IT IS NOT AN ENTERPRISE FUND.

AND AFTER 40 MINUS ABOUT 13.4% OF THE BUDGET OR AT THE 70 MILLION HERE TOO, 32.3% SO THAT GIVES YOU A FRAMEWORK UP FOR THE 15 AND 30 CAME FROM. WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE REDUCTIONS, LOOKING AT ABOUT 19.4 MILLION TO THE BCC AND 38.9 MILLION FOR THE 30% REDUCTION.

THOSE ARE THE NUMBERS THAT YOU ARE TARGETING THAT 19,000,038,000,000 FOR THE BOAR OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS.

'S THE CHARTS AT THE BOTTOM THA WE GAVE YOU LAST BOARD MEETING, SO THE TOP ONE IS YOUR ONE AND IF YOU DIVIDE EVERYTHING EVENLY WHICH IS WHAT THE EXERCISE, 30- 50% ACROSS-THE-BOARD WITH A SHOWS YOU REDUCTIONS FOR PUBLIC SAFETY AND OTHER COMMITMENTS AN GENERAL FUND SERVICES. AND THEN IN YEAR TWO IT IS THE SAME REDUCTION. SAY TAKE THE BOTTOM RED BOXES A THE VERY BOTTOM AND IT SHOWS YO IT ADDS UP TO THE 70 MAIN ACROS FOR THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE. SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE RECAP HOW WE GOT TO WHERE WE AR GOING WITH THE NEXT PRESENTATION . ANY THOUGHTS BEFORE HE TURNED BACK OVER TO TRACY TO GO OVER HIS BUDGET.

>> SO MY BUDGET, AND THEN IT WILL SPEAK TO THIS, SO MY BUDGET , THIS YEAR'S BUDGET IS ROUGHLY $4.1 MILLION AND UP THE THAT 3-POINT 5 MILLION IS A 40% OF PERSONNEL AND OPERATING PERSPECTIVE -- ROUGHLY $71,000 REDUCTION OF 15 WOULD BE $626,000 OFF BUDGET AN REDUCTION OF 30% WOULD BE A MILLION 2 SO THAT IS KIND OF TH NUMBERS.

IF YOU COULD GO BACK, IT'S GOIN TO BE LIKE EVERYBODY.

WE'RE ALL GOING TO HAVE SOME TOUGH DECISIONS TO MAKE.

LIKE MOST OF THE CONSTITUTIONALIST, THERE ARE THINGS WITHIN THE BUDGET THAT ARE DICTATED AND MOST MY OFFICE AND MOST OF WHAT -- SO LET'S SAY THAT I AM LEGALLY HAVE TO PROCESS EVERY DEED AND TRANSACTION THAT OCCURS IN THIS COUNTY AND WE HAVE TO PROCESS THAT WITHIN 90 DAYS OF THE CLERK 'S OFFICE AND THEN THE FOLKS THAT DO THAT HAVE TO MAKE A DETERMINATION WHETHER OR NOT THAT DEED IS QUALIFIED FOR PURPOSES OF ASSESSMENT ROLE AND EVALUATION AS AN OPINION.

SO THOSE TYPES OF THINGS, WE WILL HAVE TO DO IN MATH AND SAY HOW MANY DO WE PROCESS AND HOW MANY DO WE NEED.

STATUTORILY LIKE TO I HAVE TO D TO GET THIS PROCESS.

TWO THAT POINT, YOU CAN SEE ON THE SLIDE WAS 47 FOR PARCEL, $130,000 FOR FULL-TIME EMPLOYEES .

OR 125,000 FOR FTE AND WE PRODUCED THE 2026 ASSESSMENT ROLE FOR $37 A PARCEL AS USED CAN SEE ON THE SCREEN.

SO JACKSONVILLE HAS MSA TOWARDS THE BOTTOM END IS FARS WHAT THE BUDGET IS. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

SO THAT THIS WAS THE 25TH COUNTY AND POPULATION IN MY

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PER R-UPPERCASE-LETTER. >> THAT'S OUT OF 67 COUNTIES.

>> THAT IS PRETTY CLOSE. SO FOR ME, I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT I EXPERIENCE THE RECESSION FROM 2008-2012 JUST TO SEE WHAT THIS LOOKS LIKE BUT BEFORE THAT CAN COME IN 2006, WE DROPPED TO 33 AND SINCE 20012 I'VE THREE PEOPLE. I CURRENTLY HAVE SAID 36 EMPLOYEES. WITH THAT, I WILL TAKE ANY

QUESTIONS. >> USE AT 84% OF YOUR BUDGET IS PERSONNEL. TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, I THINK MY BUDGET IS CONCERNED AND I ALWAYS HAVE BEEN.

AND I LOOK TODAY TO SEE FROM TH RIDE TOOK OFFICE, WHICH WAS 2020 , WHAT HAS MY BUDGET INCREASE BEEN.

SO STATEWIDE THE AVERAGE INCREASE WAS 41% AND THEN JACKSONVILLE MSA I BRING THIRD IS FARS INCREASE IN MY BUDGET INCREASED 31.6% IN 2020 AND THAT'S AN AVERAGE OF 18.3% FROM YOU. THE RANGES BETWEEN 53% INCREASE AND 31% INCREASE. SO TO YOUR QUESTION, FIRST YEAR MORE FEASIBLE TO SAY $20,000 AN IS GOING TO BE EQUAL TO THE CONTRACTS WE CAN LOOK AT EVERYTHING THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT AND WE HAVE EVERYTHING ABSOLUTELY DISCRETIONARY.

BUT SAYING THAT AT SOME POINT STATUTORILY, I HAVE TO HAVE BODIES IN PLACE TO MEET THOSE DEADLINES.

SO AS THE TAXABLE VALUE AND INFLATIONARY ADJUSTMENT HITS OF THE TAXABLE CONTINUES TO INCREASE, THE LOSS TO THE COUNT BECOMES GREATER. SO I WAS LEADING THEM FORWARD I YOUR ONE IS A DIFFERENT ANIMAL BAND YEAR FIVE.

TO YOUR POINT EVEN IN YEAR ONE WOULD HAVE TO KIND OF --

>> YOU CAN HAVE THREE ADDITIONA EMPLOYEES SINCE 2012.

MY BUDGET HASN'T MOVED A WHOLE LOT.

IT HASN'T MOVED A LOT OVER THE LAST DECADE.

THANK YOU. >> SHE PASSES ON HER APOLOGIES BUT SHE HAD ANOTHER KIT ANOTHER COMMITMENT TO BE AT BUT JACKIE IS HERE TO TAKE CARE OF IT FOR HER.

SO AS FAR AS, I'M SORRY, I AM JACLYN AND I AM THE FINANCE DIRECTOR. THIS IS STEPHANIE AND SHE IS OU CHIEF TAX OFFICER. SO AS FAR AS AMENDMENT THREE PASSES RIGHT NOW, WE ARE PROJECTING FOR THE 2026-2027 YEAR AND WE WOULD NOT HAVE ANY IMPACT TO THE PERSON THAT WE TURN INTO THE COUNTY AT THE END OF THE YEAR AND WHERE WE PUT OU IMPACTS ARE WAS OCTOBER 28 BIT CIGNA START WITH APPROXIMATELY AN $800 -- $800,000 REDUCTION IN FEES AND THEN THE SECOND YEAR WE WOULD HAVE 1.2 MILLION, SO WHAT WOULD PUT TURNOVER AT THE END OF THE YEAR.

>> ONE OF OUR BIGGEST CONCERNS RIGHT NOW IS SO WE GET TWO TWELVES TO OPERATE OFF OF DURIN THE TIME OF THE TAXES.

MONEY IS NOT COMING IN AND FOR US, THAT REDUCTION IN THE IMPAC POSSIBILITY OF COVERING, WE DO BARE BEAR MINIMUM PAYROLL AND ESSENTIAL BILLS AT TIMES UNTIL ALL THE TAXES COME IN SO YEAR T MAKE IS WHAT WE WERE REALLY WORRIED ABOUT BUT WE WILL SEE A IMPACT FROM THERE. THAT IS WHAT WE BROUGHT.

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>> I THOUGHT ABOUT SOMETHING ABOUT A TAX OFFICE CLOSING.

NONE OF THEM ARE PROJECTED TO CLOSE.

RIGHT NOW THE PROJECTIONS ARE BASICALLY IT IS GOING TO IMPACT THE BOARD MORE THAN HER OFFICES. THEY ARE DICTATED BY THE DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE AS THE NUMBER OF FULL-TIME EMPLOYEES, IF IT COMES TO A PLACE WHERE IT IS STARTING TO IMPACT THAT.

SHE WILL START WITH NOT REPLACING PEOPLE WHO LEAVE AND DEFINITELY NOT ADDING BUT THE DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE PUT UP WHICH DICTATES THE NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES WE SHOULD HAVE TO SERVE THE COMMUNITY. THANK YOU, LADIES.

>> THAT IS NOT TRUE FOR YOU. THE NEXT ONE THERE WOULD BE THE CLERK'S OFFICE. OBVIOUSLY WE DID SOME OTHER EXERCISE. JUST TO REMIND YOU THERE FUNDED AND A MULTITUDE OF DIFFERENT WAYS SPARE THEIR OTHER ONES THA ARE FUNDED BY THE COUNTY AS FAR AS SUPPORTING THE COURT SYSTEM IS FUNDED BY AND THROUGH WHICH STATE TRUST FUND.

THOSE ACTIVITIES ARE RECORDED S THESE ARE THE SIX MONTHS THAT WOULD BE IMPACTED. I JUST WANT TO KNOW ON THE COURTSIDE COME, WITH MY SALARY COME UP WITH ALL THE DIFFERENT DUTIES THAT WE SEE IN THE OFFICE , WE ELECTED TO TRY TO STAY CONSERVATIVE TO ONLY ALLOCATE TO THE COMPTROLLER DEFICIENT AND THAT IS ONLY EARNED 16%, WHICH IS 28,000.

WE DID NOT ALLOCATE ANY OF THOS DOLLARS.

IT HAS BEEN LIKE THAT OVER THE YEARS.

FOR 26-27, FROM A 9.3 MILLION T SUPPORT ALL OF THE ACTIVITIES LISTED FOR THE PREVIOUS-72% OF THAT IS PERSONNEL AND 26% AS -- SO AS YOU CAN SEE, HEAVY ON THE PERSONNEL SIDE JUST TO NOTE, TH LOAD IS BUDGETS, THE GLOBAL RESPONSIBILITY FOR HISTORICAL ARCHIVES. ARE INSPECTOR GENERAL, WHICH IS 610,000. SO GOING TO THAT SCENARIO, OUR GOAL WAS TO TRY TO REDUCE OUT O WITHOUT PUTTING IN JEOPARDY ANY OF MY REQUIREMENTS SO I THE OPTIONAL IMPACT IS ON 54% IN CAPITAL FUNDING AND THE ONLY WA THAT WE CAN GET TO THE 15% REDUCTION WOULD BE TO CLOSE THE PERK RANCH.

IN THE ORANGE PARK RANCH, ABSORBS A LOT OF WORKLOAD AS A RELATES TO EVEN SOME OF THE COURTSIDE AND HOUSTON MAIN MAIN BUILDING IS CONVENIENT TO THE PUBLIC IT'S THINGS THAT WE REMOVE TRAINING OTHER PREJUDICE THAT NEEDED TO BE TAKEN CARE OF YEAR OVER YEAR LICENSES. -- ON THE 30% THAT INCLUDES THE 15 REDUCTION, WHICH IS REDUCTION O THOSE OPERATING COSTS AS WELL A A PERSONAL REDUCTION OF FIVE HOSE 93,000 AS IS THE A 22% THA REDUCTION ACROSS ALL THOSE FUNDS

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ANY DAY AFTER THAT WOULD PUT PRESSURE AND SECURITY IN PARKING , SPACE AND THE RESIDUAL EFFECTS COULD GO ON.

PARK BRANCH WOULDN'T HAVE AN IMPACT SO, FOR EXAMPLE JOHN THE TRUMP SHOULD EXTERNAL AUDIT MAKING SURE THAT IS TIME BASED RUMORS WE WILL MOVE ON TO ELECTIONS APPEARS.

>> MADAM CHAIR, BOARD. BY UNDERSTAND THIS EXERCISE CORRECTLY COME THE BOARD IS REQUESTING ME TO PREPARE A LIST OF OPTIONS THAT COULD IMPLEMENT THE REDUCED LINE BUDGET BY THE REQUESTED ABOUT THE 15% FROM TH 2026 AND 2027 BUDGET OF 3,027,473, WHICH WOULD REQUIRE REDUCTION OF 454,100.

CURRENTLY THE SUPERVISOR OF ELECTIONS UTILIZES NO EXCUSE VOTE BY MAIL. SEVEN EARLY VOTING LOCATIONS, 4 PRECINCTS TO MEET THE NEEDS OF ITS 156,664 BOULDERS.

I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT A COUNTYWIDE ELECTION COST THE TAXPAYERS NEARLY A QUARTER OF A MILLION DOLLARS AND THAT I BASED ON POLL WORKER PAYROLL, MAILING COST, AND PAPER.

THAT IS IT. NOT MY OFFICE.

NOT MY FUEL. NOT ALL OF THE TABULATION EQUIPMENT, NOT ALL OF THE VARIOUS DIFFERENT PIECES OF EQUIPMENT THAT MAKE CLAY COUNTY ELECTIONS SUCCESSFUL.

SINCE THE PASSING OF THE 24TH AMENDMENT TO THE U.S.

CONSTITUTION OUR OFFICE HAS BEE PRECLUDED FROM CHARGING A POLL TAX. AND IS 100% RELIANT ON THE COUNTY TO FUND OUR OPERATION. WHILE MUCH OF OUR PROCESSES MANDATED BY LAW, THE FOLLOWING IS A LIST OF PROPOSED OPTIONS FOR REDUCING THE BUDGET. MY APOLOGIES FOR NOT HAVING DEPTH BY POWERPOINT BUT I THOUGHT IT WAS VERY IMPORTANT T HAVE A DISCUSSION. IT WOULD REQUIRE TO PRODUCE 15% THE ELIMINATION OF ANY COST-OF-LIVING INCREASES FOR AN EMPLOYEE IT WOULD REQUIRE THE ELIMINATION OF ANY TO BE DETERMINED PART-TIME STAFF. IT WOULD REQUIRE TO ELIMINATE THE RECOUNT CONTINGENCY FUND, SHOULD OUR COUNTY REQUIRE ARE W COUNTED IT WOULD REQUIRE THE BOARDING UP OF BOTH THE THRASHE HORN AND OAKLEAF EARLY VOTING SITE.

IT WHAT REQUIRE THE REDUCTION O EARLY VOTING DAYS AND HOURS TO THE STATE MANDATE MINIMUM OF EIGHT DAYS, EIGHT HOURS EACH.

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ALL OF THOSE SAVINGS TO ELIMINATE AND REDUCE WOULD RESULT IN A 13.8% REDUCTION, HOWEVER, IN THE 2027-2028 BUDGE YEAR, WE WILL HAVE TWO COUNTY ELECTIONS WHICH WOULD INCLUDE A VOTE BY MAIL COST FOR THREE COUNTYWIDE ELECTIONS.

RESULTING IN THE DIGITAL -- ADDITIONAL LINE ITEMS WOULD HAV A NET DECREASE OF ONLY 2.95%. HEAR ME, WE CAN ELIMINATE ALL O THE DISCRETIONARY FUNDS AND EXPENDITURES THAT WE HAVE.

WE WITH KEVIN ELIMINATE ANY COST-OF-LIVING INCREASE AND ANY PART-TIME STAFF AND ANY CONTINGENCY AND TWO EARLY VOTIN SITES AND WE CAN ELIMINATE SAMPLE BALLOTS IN ALL OF THE OUTREACH AND ALL OF THE DISCRETIONARY ADVERTISING AND BECAUSE ELECTIONS ARE CYCLICAL AND BECAUSE IN THE 20272028 BUDGET YEAR, WE WOULD HAVE ESSENTIALLY THREE BUDGETS AND I WOULD RESULT IN THE NET DECREAS OF 2.5%.

THE CHOICE IS YOURS. WE CAN DO ALL OF THAT.

CURRENTLY RIGHT NOW OUR EARLY VOTING IS UNDERWAY AND VOTING B MAIL EVERY SINGLE DAY WE HAVE A ECLIPSED NUMBERS OF EARLY VOTIN SINCE THE LAST GUBERNATORIAL ELECTION.

REGARDLESS OF WHAT WE DO, WE WILL STILL NEED TO SERVE THE NEEDS OF THE PANETTA 56,000 BOULDERS.

WE JUST WILL NOT BE ABLE TO DO IT AS EFFICIENTLY.

THE HISTORY OF NO LINES IN CLAY COUNTY WILL JUST BE THAT, HISTORY. I AM NOT HERE IS THE INDIVIDUAL ON SOCIAL MEDIA WILL TELL YOU T INSTRUCT ANYONE AS TO WHETHER THEY SHOULD VOTE YES OR NO ON ANYTHING BUT I WANT TO BE REALISTIC BECAUSE ON NOVEMBER FORMAT, I WILL LOOK EACH ONE OF MY FRIENDS, MY FAMILY, THIS BOARD, AND EVERY ONE THAT I KNO AND CLAY COUNTY NDI AND SAY I TOLD YOU.

IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE MESSAGE, DON'T ASK THE QUESTIONS.

GOD BLESS YOU. ANY QUESTIONS?

>> YOU DIDN'T SAY 30%. >> WE HAVEN'T EVEN GOTTEN TO TH

30% PICKED UP GOT THE TIP 2.5%. >> WHERE IS THE BEST GOING TO

COME FROM. >> WE WILL EVERY EMPLOYEE EXCEP

MYSELF GO. >> AND THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE AN

ELECTION. >> WE MIGHT HAVE TWO POLLING LOCATIONS. THE LOWEST I CAN REDUCE EARLY VOTING FROM THE CURRENT NUMBER IS TWO THE NUMBER THAT THE STATUTES SAY THAT I CAN REDUCE THE EARLY VOTING SITES AND I WILL QUOTE COME OVER 101.6571 A SAYS EACH COMPANY SHALL ADD A

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AND THAT WAS FIVE AT A TIME. WE CAN DO IT.

>> YOU COULDN'T EVEN DO IT BECAUSE THERE IS NO WAY POSSIBLE . AGAIN.

WE COULD ASK ELECTION WORKERS T NOT BE PAID FOR THEIR 15 HOUR DAY. AND WE COULD TAKE UP THE NATION FROM THE COMMUNITY TO FUND THE OPERATION.

BUT I HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO FIN THAT NUMBER CURRENTLY RIGHT NOW I'M CONDUCTING ELECTIONS AND BOUND UP THERE WITH 2.5 AND DIDN'T THINK IT NECESSARY FOR M TO GO ANY FURTHER.

EXPECTED THINK IT IS IMPORTANT, EVERY EXAMPLE THAT WE ARE GOING TO SHOW TINA INCLUDES ZERO COST-OF-LIVING OVER THIS WHOLE

EVOLUTION. >> CAN YOU EXPLAIN THAT FOR THOSE THAT DON'T KNOW? NO PAY RAISES FOR THE NEXT TEN YEARS FOR ANY EMPLOYEE. WE ASK A FLAT NO INFLATION ACROSS THE BOARD INCREASES OVER THIS.

BACK OF TIME SO ALL OF THESE NUMBERS ARE ZERO INFLATION FOR

COST-OF-LIVING. >> I WILL GO ONE STEP FURTHER.

SO THIS YEAR, JUST IN SOFTWARE. ON THIS IS SOFTWARE THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE IN SOFTWARE THAT HAS TO BE APPROVED BY THE STATE OF FLORIDA, WENT UP 30% AND I TRIED.

WENT TO THE VENDOR AND I SAID WE'VE BEEN REALLY GOOD TO YOU.

ABOUT 30% AND THEY SAID SORRY. AND THE EQUIPMENT THAT THE COUNTY PURCHASES IS EQUIPMENT THAT HAS TO BE CERTIFIED PRIOR TO PURCHASING. YOU CAN'T GO OUT ON YOUR OWN AN JUST SAY WE ARE GOING TO BUY BY THIS BECAUSE IT IS CHEAPER THOS COSTS ARE GOING TO GO UP AND YO ASKED ME TO GIVE YOU A SCENARIO AS TO BUT I COULD POTENTIALLY LOWERED ON BUT I HAVE TO BE HONEST WITH YOU BUT I'M TELLING YOU ABOUT TODAY'S DOLLARS.

TOMORROW DOLLARS ARE MUCH DIFFERENT THAN TODAY.

I HAVE YET IN MY 29 YEARS TO CLEAR A COST IS CHEAPER FOR ANY PIECE OF EQUIPMENT OR ANY SERVICE THAT I UTILIZE.

>> THANKS, CHRIS. HOW ARE YOU HERE SPOKE -- SINCE YOU ARE HERE, HOW IS THE TURNOUT.

>> STANDBY. CURRENTLY WE ARE IN THE LAST HOUR OF EARLY VOTING AND SO FAR 22,819 VOTES HAVE BEEN CAST DURING EARLY VOTING IN TODAY'S IS 4,507 AND WE ARE AVERAGING FOR HUNDRED 94 AN HOUR AND EVER SINGLE DAY WE HAVE ECLIPSED THE NUMBERS AND IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, WE ARE PROBABLY ABOU 8,000 VOTES AWAY TODAY FROM EXCEEDING ALL OF THE EARLY VOTE THAT WAS CAST IN THE 2020 ELECTION.

WE HAVE RIGHT NOW GOING TO THE TOTAL NUMBER OF THE TOTAL TURNOUT FOR CLAY COUNTY IS, EXCUSE ME, CURRENTLY RIGHT NOW WE ARE 22% OF THE VOTE HAS HAPPENED IN CLAY COUNTY HISTORICALLY IS SET UP OF 72% O THE VOTE.

AND IF THAT CONTINUES THE TREND COME WERE PROBABLY GOING TO HAV SOME WORK CLOSE TO A PRESIDENTIAL LEVEL TURNOUT.

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>> NO, IT IS EARLY VOTE SPARE THE TOTAL NUMBER OF BALLOTS CAST 'S FAULT SO FAR IS ABOUT 34,000.

VOTE BY MAIL IS TAKING A HIT OVER A NUMBER OF YEARS BECAUSE FROM A NATIONAL STANDPOINT, THERE HAS BEEN QUITE CONCERNED SECURITY, ALBEIT THAT IS THE LATE VOTE AND SO WE CONTINUE TO KEEP ON. SOME OTHER NUMBERS AND QUESTION THAT YOU ASK ASKED SINCE 2012, THREE FULL-TIME STAFF ARE THE EQUIVALENT IN THE LAST 14 YEARS. SO PLUG FOR THE SUPERVISOR OF ELECTIONS BUT THEY HANG THEM UP FREE.

THERE FREE TO THEM, NOT FREE TO YOU.

YOU HAVE TO GET RID OF THOSE. APPRECIATE YOU.

THANK YOU. NEXT WILL BE THE SHERIFF'S

OFFICE. >> GOOD EVENING AND THANK YOU.

YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU A HANDOUT THAT WE WILL GO THROUGH THE EXERCISE OF THE 15% CUT. LIKE NUMBER ONE MIKE I'M GOING TO PUT SOME CONTEXT INTO WHAT W ARE GOING TO TALK ABOUT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT CUTS SO SLIDE NUMBER ONE IS THE SWORN DEPUTY STAFFIN LEVELS OVER THE LAST FIVE YEARS IN 2020 WE HAD 241 SWORN DEPUTIES, WHICH WAS 100 FOR SHORT OF WHAT IS THE STATE AVERAGE AND OUR GOAL HAS ALWAYS BEEN TO TRY TO GET THE STATE AVERAGE SO WE WERE DEPUTY SHORT IT 240 SWORN DEPUTIES AND TODAY WE HAVE 309 DEPUTIES AND WE HAV CUT THE NUMBERS AND HAVE.

JUST OVER 50 DEPUTY SHORT OF WHERE WE SHOULD BE ON THE NEXT SLIDE WITH INCREASED STAFFING COMES DECREASED RESPONSE TIME.

IF YOU CALL 91, WE CAN GET TO YOU AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE SEE YOU CAN SEE FROM THE GRAPH AS W HAVE ADDED STAFF, THE RESPONSE TIME IS GOTTEN BETTER AND WE WERE ON TRACK THIS YEAR AND HAV PROBABLY THE BEST RESPONSE TIME THAT WE HAVE KEPT RECORDS IN SO WE ARE ON TRACK WITH THAT. THE NEXT SLIDE, IF ANYBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS. IT WENT UP TO 12 MINUTES AND 17 SECONDS SO THREE MINUTES LOWER IN 2018.

WHY WAS THAT? >> STAFF PAGE.

YOU HAVE LESS PEOPLE ON THE ROAD .

IT'S GOING TO TAKE THEM ON THE ROAD.

>> 2018 HAS BEEN A WHILE AGO BU SO 20 TINA RESPONSE TIME WAS 12: 17 AND NOW THIS PAST YEAR, 9: 16 AND WERE TRYING TO DO EVEN

BETTER THIS YEAR. >> NEXT SLIDE.

THIS WAS THE EXERCISE WITH A 15 REDUCTION.

IT'S BEEN TALKED ABOUT WITH THE OTHER OFFICIALS ENDED THE SAME APPLIES TO US. WE HAVE THINGS WE CANNOT OPT OU OF AND THAT INCLUDES MUCH OF OU WORK IN DETENTION AND OUR JUDICIAL COURTHOUSE SECURITY, CIVIL PROCESS AND WE HAVE A WHOLE LIST OF THINGS SO WE CANNOT CUT ANYTHING FROM THAT WHERE WE PUT AND THAT COMING FROM AS LAW ENFORCEMENT, WHICH WOULD BE YOUR PATROL DEPUTIES. IT IS NOT LEGALLY MANDATED.

THAT IS WHERE WE GET A PORTION OF OUR CUTS FROM.

IN WEIRD LOOKING AT WE WOULD HAVE TO CUT JUST OVERS $18 MILLION AND WE WOULD HAVE 7 SWORN DEPUTIES AND 56 SUPPORTS CIVILIAN PERSONNEL FOR A TOTAL OF 133 PEOPLE IT WOULD ALSO HAV HER $690,000 WITH THE BUILDING MAINTENANCE FOR THAT CUT AND WE

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>> YOU DON'T KNOW FOR SURE BUT WHAT IS THE RESPONSE TIME.

I CAN'T YOU BE IN EXACT ANSWER BUT I CAN TELL HE YOU IS IF YOU GO BACK TO THE CHART, I KNOW LET'S GET THE CLOSEST.

IN 2020, THE RESPONSE TIME WAS -- 2019, 10-11 MINUTES. IF YOU CUT THE DEPUTIES WERE OU THERE ON THE CALLS, THE RESPONS TIME IS QUITE A BIT HIGHER.

IN MY 35 YEARS, THE LESS WE HAV THE LONGER IT TAKES TO GET THERE

. >> NEXT SLIDE IS 30% CUT.

WE WOULD HAVE TO CUT $36 MILLIO FROM THE BUDGET AND THIS WOULD BE AN ADDITIONAL 76% SWORN PERSONNEL THAT WOULD BE CUT.

AT AN ADDITIONAL 64 CIVILIAN PERSONNEL THAT WOULD BE CUT FOR TOTALED 273 FOR YEAR 1 IN 2. 868 EMPLOYEES, SO THAT BE THE WORKFORCE. WE'VE NEVER EVEN SEEN A YEAR, WHICH MEANS IT WOULD BE 12 AND HALF RESPONSE TIME.

>> YES, MA'AM. SO GOING BACK TO WHAT WE ARE LEGALLY MANDATED DISTAFF AND BU WE ARE LEGALLY MANDATED TO DO, THE QUESTION BECOMESBECOMES, WHE THESE PEOPLE GOING TO COME FROM.

WE LOOKING AT THE THINGS NOT LEGALLY MANDATED LIKE OUR SPECIALITY DREAMS AND OUR PSA'S THAT HANDLE THE CROSSING GUARD DUTIES AND CRASHES, OUR PATROL FORCE, CANINE, MARINE AND NARCOTICS WOULD BE TOP OF THE LIST FOR CUTS AND WE'D ALSO BE CUTTING AS CHRIS DESCRIBED OUR DISCRETIONARY PROGRAMS THAT ARE PUBLIC OUTREACH PROGRAMS. COMMUNITY AFFAIRS A TEAM THAT PARTICIPATE IN 225 EVENT AS YEAR.

THAT WOULD BE CUT. THE POLICE ATHLETIC LEAGUE WE COULD NO LONGER STAFF THE POLICE EXPLORER PROGRAM.

DAYS OF DEPUTY PROGRAM AND THE FOUR THINGS WOULD OUR DISCRETIONARY WOULD BE CUT. EVEN IF WE CUT ALL OF THOSE THINGS I LISTED ABOVE THAT STILL DOESN'T MEET THE NUMBER, SO THAT'S WHEN WE DIP INTO THE PATROL DEPUTIES AND THE DETECTIVES AND CONTRACTS. WHICH YOU KNOW MOST OF OUR CONTRACTS WE HAVE TO HAVE. WE HAVE TO HAVE A KEEPING SERVICE AND DOCTORS THAT COME IN AND TREAT, THOSE ARE CONTRACTS WE CAN'T GET OUT OF. DISCRETIONARY A WOULD-BE LIKE THE BODY WORN CAMERA CONTRACT. WE COULD GET OUT OF THAT ONE PROBABLY IT WOULD OFFER UP SOME SAVINGS, BUT THOSE FOR TYPE OF CUTS THAT WE'D END UP HAVING TO MAKE.

ANY QUESTIONS? >> I'VE HEARD FROM, WE'RE LOOKING AT IT AND WE OUGHT TO LOOK AT A NEW JAIL.

LOOK AT YOUR 35 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE AND WHAT'S THAT DO TO

THE NEW JAIL? >> THE STAFFING IN THE JAIL IS STATUTORILY REQUIRED. SO THAT IS A PLACE WE CANNOT C CUT.

SO COURT SERVICES, CIVIL PROCESS, SESSION OFFENDER CHECKS, CROSSING GUARD DUTIES, UM... THERE IS A HANDFUL OF OTHERS THAT WE'RE STATUTORILY REQUIRED TO DO SO THOSE HAVE TO BE STAFFED AND FUNDED, SO THEN YOU TAKE OUT THE CHRIS CORRECTION THEIR THINGS LIKE URINARY COTTICS UNIT AND TRAFFIC UNIT. AND EVEN I DISSOLVED ALL OF THAT IT STILL WOULD NOT MEET THE NUMBERS WE NEED TO MEET FOR

EMPLOYEES. >> A NEW JAIL WILL BE LARGER?

>> IN TIME A NEW JAIL HAS TO BE LARGER BECAUSE OUR COUNTY IS

GROWING. >> WITHOUT THE ABILITY IT'S GOING TO BE IMPOSSIBLE FOR THE FUTURE.

>> YES, SIR., IF OUR STAFFING LEVELS STAY THE SAME.

>> MADAM CHAIR? YEAH.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU KNOW KIND OF LOOKING AT THIS THE BUDGET, THE BUDGET IS GONE UP THE PAST SEVERAL YEARS OF THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE. I GUESS, WHY? OTHER THAN THE COST OF INFLATION FOR EQUIPMENT AS SUPERVISOR

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>> COMBINATION OF INFLATION AND PERSONNEL.

WE SEE IT TO A CAR FIVE YEARS AGO THAT COST US $45 THOUSAND IS NOW $65,000. THOSE ARE COSTS WE CAN'T CONTROL. MEDICAL USED TO COST US, FOOD THAT USED TO COST US $600,000 IS NOW A MILLION.

WE'RE SEEING A 20% INFLATION ON OUR STUFF THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE, BUT OUR BIGGEST INCREASE THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE BUDGET INCREASE WE'VE HAD IS BECAUSE WE HAVE INVESTED IN OUR PEOPLE AND IN HIRING. 53 DEPUTIES OVER THE PAST FIVE YEAR AND A HANDFUL OF SUPPORT STAFF LIKE THE BODY CAMERA TEAM WE'VE HIRED. WE HAVE INVESTED IN A PAY PLAN.

WE TOOK OUR STARTING PAY IN 2020 OUR STARTING PAY WAS $38,000.

OUR STARTING PAY NOW IS CLOSER $57 THOUSAND SO OUR INCREASE BETWEEN 2020 AND 2026 IS OR 2025, I'M SORRY IS 55,000.

NOT 57. STARTING PAY IS $55,000 BUT THE VAST MAJORITY OF OUR INCREASE HAS BEEN BECAUSE WE HAVE HIRED MORE DEPUTIES AND WE HAVE WORKED TO PAY OUR PEOPLE COMPETITIVELY.

NOW, WITH THAT BEING SAID, WE ARE STILL $20,000 BEHIND BOTH ST. JOHN'S AND THE JACKSONVILLE SHERIFF'S OFFICE IN PAY.

STARTING PAY AND ANYTHING COMPARABLE SO YOU TAKE STARTING PAY AND THEN FIVE YEAR DEPUTY IN CLAY COUNTY IS MAKING MUCH SIGNIFICANTLY MUCH LESS THAN A FIVE YEAR OFFICER UP IN JACKSON OR ST. JOHN'S COUNTY. SO THE MAJORITY OF, WELL I WILL TELL YOU, 85 PERCENT OF OUR INCREASE IS BECAUSE WE'VE

INVESTED IN OUR PEOPLE. >> WHAT ARE SOME WAYS THAT WE'VE KEPT COST DOWN? YOU ARE INVESTING A LOT IN THE PEOPLE WEARING UNIFORM, WHAT ARE WYS WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO KEEP

OTHER COSTS DOWN? >> I WILL SAY THIS.

SO SAVING MONEY IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WE TALK ABOUT AT THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR AND THE END OF THE YEAR.

IT'S JUST THE PHILOSOPHY OF HOW WE OPERATE EVERY DAY.

IF YOU LOOK AT, I HAVE A BOARD IN MY OFFICE AND I FILLED IT OUT THE FIRST WEEK AND IT TALKED ABOUT EFFICIENCY, SAVING DOLLARS, LET'S IMPROVE OUR PROCESSES AND IMPROVE EFFICIENCY AND SAVE MONEY. SOME OF THE SPECIFIC THING THAT'S WE HAVE DONE WHICH WE'RE SEEING A GREAT RETURN ON INVESTMENT IS WE HAVE HIRED A COUPLE OF PEOPLE AND ALL THEY DO IN THE JAIL IS PROCESS MEDICAL CLAIMS FOR INMATES AND WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO RECOVER I THINK 11 MILLION JUST THIS YEAR SO HAVING THOSE TWO EMPLOYEES TO PROCESS MEDICAL CLAIMS HAS HELPED US SAVE THE TAXPAYERS OVER 11 MILLION.

ALSO WARRANTY SERVICE CENTER FOR OUR OWN FLEET NOW.

WE USED TO SEND VEHICLES OUT FOR WARRANTY FLEET WORK AND WIRING AND WE'RE DOING THAT IN-HOUSE NOW, SO WE'RE RECOGNIZING SAVINGS THERE. DOING OUR OWN EQUIPMENT INSTALLATIONS. WE ARE GETTING REIMBURSED ON SOME OF OUR ICE ENFORCEMENT EFFORTS RIGHT NOW AND WE'RE USING THAT MONEY SMARTLY TO REPLACE SOME OF THE EQUIPMENT LIKE RADARS AND TRAFFIC RADARS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT WE NEED. SO WE'RE NOT USING TAXPAYERS DOLLARS TO REPLACE THAT EQUIPMENT.

I THINK THE BIGGEST THING WE'VE DONE IS PUSHED DOWN AUTHORITY AND RESPONSIBILITY FOR PERSONNEL MANAGEMENT SO THAT IF YOU KNOW A LIEUTENANT OR ASSISTANT CHIEF ON THE STREET SEE AS PATTERN OR TREND FOR CALLS FOR SERVICE ADJUSTING YOU KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE WHEN SCHOOL STARTS WE SEE MORE KIDS WALKING EARLY IN THE MORNING AND THEY HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO MOVE AND ADJUST WORK SHIFT, SO WE HAVE MORE PEOPLE OUT THERE WHEN THEY ARE NEEDED. BY DOING THAT WE SAVE HOW MUCH IN OVERTIME THIS PAST YEAR? OVER 600,000? 460,000 IN OVERTIME BY PUSHING DOWN THAT AUTHORITY AND RESPONSIBILITY. SO WE'VE EMPOWERED YOU KNOW FROM THE FIRST DAY THAT SOMEBODY WALKS IN THE DOOR AS AN EMPLOYEE WE HAVE EMPOWERED THEM THEM TO US FIND WAYS TO SAVE MONEY AND WE VET THE SUGGESTIONS AND WE RUN WITH THEM.

ANYTHING ELSE? >> 82% OF OUR COSTS.

WE'RE IN THE PEOPLE BUSINESS SO 82% OF OUR BUDGET IS PEOPLE.

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CUTTING PEOPLE. >> I HAVE ONE THING TO SAY.

I'M VERY PROUD TO BE ABLE TO SERVE ON THE BOARD.

FROM THE VERY BEGINNING YOU CAME AND ASKED AND TOLD US YOUR GOAL WAS TO INCREASE DEPUTIES AND TO GET TO THAT NUMBER AS CLOSE AS YOU POSSIBLY CAN AND I'M VERY PROUD WE WERE ABLE TO DO WHAT WE'VE DONE WITH YOUR PARTNERSHIP, THE PAY THAT, WHETHER YOUR DEPUTIES AND PERSONNEL CAN KNOW TO PLAN FOR THEIR FUTURE AND FIRE RESCUE AND GLAD YOU ARE HERE.

I'M VERY PROUD WE WERE ABLE TO HELP WITH THAT AND SO I THAT DOES VERY MUCH SCARE ME TO KNOW THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO DECREASE IN THE NUMBERS WE WOULD HAVE TO AND JUST GO BACKWARDS.

>> WE'VE SPENT A LOT OF TIME RECRUITING AND HIRING AND TRAINING AND VESTING IN GOOD QUALITY POLICE OFFICERS AND FIREMEN IN THIS COMMUNITY AND DON'T WANT TO TAKE A STEP BACKWARDS IN THAT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

>> THANK YOU. >> ALRIGHT.

MADAM CHAIR, I GUESS THE REST IS UP TO ME ON THE BCC SIDE.

WE GROUP IT INSTEAD OF GOING THROUGH 30 OR 40 DEPARTMENTS WE GROUPED THEM INTO LOGICAL FUNCTIONS SO THE FIRST GROUP IS THE GENERAL GOVERNMENT GROUPING AND THAT'S YOUR INTERNAL AND HR.

OMB FACILITATES AN THINGS LIKE THAT.

YOU HAVE THE SLIDES. WE GAVE YOU SLIDES EARLIER, I'M GOING TO THROW AT HIGH LEVEL BUT FEEL FREE TO ASK QUESTIONS.

15 PERCENT REDUCTION FROM 138 FTES TO 117 IS ABOUT THAT 15 PERCENT REDUCTION IN STAFFING OR AND ALSO, 1.2 MILLION IN OPERATING AT THE 30 PERCENT LEVEL YOU WOULD SEE GO FROM 138 TO 97 PEOPLE OR 30 PERCENT REDUCTION.

AND TO POINT OUT SOME OF THE RISKS, I MEAN YOU DO HAVE RISKS OF NOT MEETING YOUR STATUTORY RESPONSIBILITY AND YOU HAVE THE GUIDELINES FOR BUDGET, TRANSFERS, PROCUREMENT AND CHANGE ORDERS AND LESS STAFF MEANS LESS CHANCE MEETING THE DEADLINES. FACILITATES, MORE CHANCE OF FAILING EQUIPMENT, YOU KNOW IT JUST YOU HAVE LESS AYES.

ANY QUESTIONS ON GENERAL GOVERNMENT BEFORE I MOVE ON? ALRIGHT. THE NEXT ONE WOULD BE YOUR PLANNING AND CODE ENFORCEMENT THAT ARE FUNDED FROM UNINCORPORATED MSTU BUT IF TAX VALUE GOES DOWN THERE'S LESS MONEY GOING INTO THAT. WE WOULD REDUCE FTE'S FROM 31 TO 28 THE FIRST YEAR AND ELIMINATE THINGS LIKE YOUR CONTRACT CBD C.

REDUCING PREVENTATIVE MAINTENANCE.

30 PERCENT REDUCING FTE'S FROM 31 TO 20 OR 36 PERCENT REDUCTION. AND THEN OPERATING WOULD ALSO STILL BE REDUCED AND AGAIN, YOU HAVE GOT MORE COMPLIANCE ISSUES AND LESS CODE ENFORCEMENT OUT THERE AND THOSE ARE SOME OF YOUR RISKS. ANY QUESTIONS ON PLANNING AND CODE ENFORCEMENT? ALRIGHT.

MOVING ON TO THE NEXT ONE WE KIND OF PUT TECHNOLOGY BY ITSELF BECAUSE IT TOUCHES EVERYBODY. IN THE TECHNOLOGY SECTOR YOU SEE REDUCTION OF FTE'S FROM 25 TO 2 AND WE LOOK TO OPERATE BY ABOUT 850,000. 30 PERCENT YOU WOULD GO FROM 25 TO 19 PEOPLE OR A 25% REDUCTION ON THAT SIDE.

WE'D LOOK AT THINGS LIKE GETTING RID OF SOFTWARE LICENSES AND POSSIBLY REMOVING GPS OUT OF VEHICLES AND THING LIKE THAT, THAT MAY NOT BE DAY TO DAY IMPACT BUT IMPACT YOUR OVERALL RISK AND THEN AGAIN THERE ARE RISKS DOWN AT THE BOTTOM.

ANY QUESTIONS ON TECHNOLOGY? >> GPS?

WHAT VEHICLES USE GPS? >> IN ALL OF OUR VEHICLE, SO THAT WHEN SOMEBODY SAYS TRUCK! IS SPEEDING DOWN THE ROAD WHICH I THINK ALL OF YOUR EXPERIENCED A CITIZEN COMPLAINING ABOUT THAT. WE PULL UP AND KNOW WHAT OUR

VEHICLES ARE AND WHERE THEY ARE. >> FIRE AND SAFETY?

>> FIRE SAFETY HAS GPS ON THEIR AND THEY USE A DIFFERENT SYSTEM THAT TIES INTO THEIR CAD BUT ALL OF OUR COUNTY SYSTEMS DO HAVE GPS FOR LOCATION BASED SERVICES AND TELE MEDICS FOR OUR FLEET SYSTEM TO KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THE VEHICLES.

>> FOLLOW-UP QUESTION TO THAT? CAN THE GP'S BE TURNED OFF BY

THE DRIVEER? >> IT SHOULD NOT BE ABLE TO BE ABLE TO BECAUSE IT IS A DOGLE. THAT PLUGS INTO YOUR O 2B PORT AND IT SENDS AN ALARM TO THE COUNTY BUT I GUESS SOMEBODY

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THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? YES, MA'AM.

QUALITY OF LIFE. AGAIN, THIS IS YOUR PARKS, LIBRARIES. ANIMAL SERVICES.

EXTENSION OFFICE. YOU WOULD SEE A REDUCTION OF FTE'S FROM 104 DOWN TO 92 AND WE WOULD REDUCE OPERATING EXPENSES AND REDUCE YOUR HOURS BY ABOUT 30 PERCENT AND PROGRAMS AT THE 30 PERCENT REDUCTION YOU GO FROM 140 PEOPLE DOWN TO 76 OR 105 TO 76. AT THAT POINT YOU ARE LOOKING AT CLOSING ONE OF THE LIBRARY BRANCHES AND YOU WOULD MOST LIKELY MOVE ALL OF YOUR PROGRAMMING FROM LIBRARIES AND PARKS AND THEN AGAIN YOU'LL SEE AT THE BOTTOM ONE OF THE MAJOR RISKS FOR ANIMAL SERVICES IS YOU WOULD MOST LIKELY LOSE YOUR NO

KILL STATUS. >> EXPLAIN THAT FURTHER?

>> NO KILL MEANS THAT YOU LIVE RELEASE 90% OF YOUR ANIMALS THAT COME IN EITHER THROUGH ADOPTION OR LIVE RELEASE TRANSFER, THINGS LIKE THAT. ODDS ARE YOU WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO MAINTAIN THAT WITH LESS OFFICERS AND STAFFING.

IT IS A FUNCTION. >> THEY WOULD HAVE TO USE?

>> YOU WOULD HAVE TO FIND SOMETHING ELSE TO DO AND THAT

WOULD BE ABOARD DECISION. >> MADAM CHAIR? THE REDUCED SERVICES IN STAFF, WHAT'S THAT MEAN?

>> YOU HAVE THREE FTE'S AND AN ADMINISTRATIVE A STNT AND WE HAVE FROZE AN POSITION SO YOU ARE DOWN TO TWO FTE'S AND AN ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT. ODDS ARE WITH A 30 PERCENT REDUCTION. 30 PERCENT OF THREE MEANS YOU LOSE ANOTHER, EITHER THE ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT OR ANOTHERV SO WOULD BE MY GUESS. IT WOULD BE AT THE BOARD'S DISCRETION BUT BASED ON THE EXERCISE WE APPLIED THE FACTORS

ACROSS THE BOARD. >> THANK YOU.

>> THEN THE LAST ONE. NO OTHER QUESTIONS ON QUALITY OF LIFE? LAST ONE IS PUBLIC SAFETY AND EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT AND BILLING.

THE SERVICES THAT SUPPORT PUBLIC SAFETY.

OUT OF THE 15 PERCENT EXERCISE YOUR FTE'S DOWN TO 295 INCLUDING REDUCTION OF 48 FIREFIGHTERS AND THE RESULTING ROLL DOWN OF RANKS. 13 UNITS UNDER STAFFING AND WE WOULD REDUCE BALANCE BILLING AND 30 PERCENT DOWN TO 250.

AND YOU WOULD HAVE OTHER AFFECTS DEPENDING ON HOW THAT'S IMPLEMENTED AND THEN YOU CAN SEE YOUR RISK THERE.

A LONGER RESPONSE TIME. VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT THE SHERIFF INDICATED. ANY QUESTIONS ON PUBLIC SAFETY?

>> YOU KNOW THE AVERAGE RESPONSE TIME?

>> I WOULD DEFER THAT TO THE CHIEF.

>> SO THE AVERAGE RESPONSE TIME IS RUNNING JUST ABOUT SEVEN MINUTES. OBVIOUSLY MUCH LIKE WHAT THE SHERIFF SAID, WE PROBABLY SEE AN INCREASE WITH THAT.

THE PROPOSED REDUCTIONS YOU ARE LOOKING AT THE 48 FIREFIGHTERS, INITIALLY WITH THE 15 PERCENT WOULD INCLUDE THE ELIMINATION OF RURAL WATER SUPPLY UNITS WE IMPLEMENTED TO PASS THE ISO CREDIT FOR IT WATER SUPPLY ACROSS THE COUNTY AND WOULD INCLUDE THE REMOVAL OF THE OPERATIONAL SAFETY CAR ON A DAILY BAY STANSD REMOVAL OF THREE RESCUE TRANSPORT UNITS FROM SERVICE. TO MEET THE REQUIREMENT, SIMILAR TO WHAT THE SHERIFF SAID. WE ARE HEAVY PERSONNEL BASED AND THE ONLY REDUCTIONS YOU GET OUT OF IT ARE REDUCING PERSONNEL AND THE ACCOMMODATING REDUCTION OF THE OPERATIONAL COSTS FOR THE UNITS THAT WE INDICATED AND THAT WOULD GET YOU TO THAT POINT.

THE 30 PERCENT WOULD INCLUDE ANOTHER 40 FIREFIGHTER REDUCTION FOR A TOTAL OF 88 ACROSS THAT BUT I THINK THE MORE DAMAGING INDICATOR WITH THAT WOULD BE THAT WE WOULD THEN ELIMINATE ALL EMS TRANSPORT UNITS COUNTY-WIDE AND THEN WOULD REQUIRE THE CONTRACTING WITH PRIVATE PROVIDER SERVICES TO PROVIDE THAT AND THAT WOULD STILL ALLOW US TO HAVE FIRE AND RESCUE INITIAL RESPONSE TO CALLS FOR SERVICE, BUT NOT THE TRANSPORTATION OF THE INDIVIDUALS FROM AN EMERGENCY SCENE TO THE HOSPITAL. I CAUTION I GIVE WITH THIS IS THIS RETURNS US BY THE ADA PEOPLE TO ALMOST PRE COVID LEVELS OF STAFFING AND LOOKING AT RESPONSE NEEDS, IN 2016 WE WERE RUNNING ABOUT 20,000 INCIDENTS PER YEAR.

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ONE OTHER THING I WOULD ADD AND I KNOW TROY LISTED IT.

WE JUST APPROVED THE 12 ADDITIONAL SAFER PERSONNEL AND THAT WOULD ELIMINATE THOSE PROBABLY FROM EVEN BEING HIRED AND WE WOULD LOOK AT REDUCTION OF REDUCTIONS TO THOSE SAFETY GRANTS AND THAT HAS A CORRESPONDING GRANT IMPACT THAT COULD INCLUDE COSTS TO THE COUNTY, AS WELL AS I WOULD ASSUME THE LOSS OF ANY OPPORTUNITIES IN THE VERY NEAR TERM FUTURE TO HAVE ADDITIONAL GRANTS FROM FEMA FOR THIS.

>> LET'S EXPLAIN THAT A LITTLE BIT.

WE GOT A GRANT. >> MANY OF OUR STAFFING INCREASES, WE WERE ABLE TO PARTNER WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL FUNDING TO THE COUNTY TO ASSIST US IN MEETING THE STAFFING REQUIREMENTS AND WE HAVE DONE IT ALMOST CONSISTENTLY PRE 2020, ALL THE WAY UP THROUGH THE MOST RECENT ONE AND THAT ALLOWED US TO SEE MOST OF THE GROWTH THAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO DO TO BOTH PUT NEW UNITS AND SERVICES, AS WELL AS DECREASE OUR RESPONSE TIME.

>> WHY WOULD WE LOSE THE GRANT? >> BECAUSE WE WOULD NO LONGER BE ABLE TO HOLD THOSE PEOPLE IN PLACE AND AS YOU LOSE THOSE PEOPLE BECAUSE WE HAVE A LAST HIRE, LAST REMOVED POLICY IN OUR CONTRACT WITH THE UNION YOU WOULD SEE THOSE PEOPLE GO AWAY AND AS THEY DO, WE WOULD NO LONGER BE COMPLIANT WITH THE

GRANT REQUIREMENTS. >> THEN SO ISO.

EXPLAIN THAT. >> SURE.

INSURANCE SERVICES OFFICES ESSENTIALLY IT IS A MEANS OF RAIDING THE COUNTY'S FIRE PROTECTION CAPABILITIES.

WE'RE CURRENTLY AT A CLASS FOUR RATING AND IT HAS TEN BEING NO PROTECTION AND ONE BEING THE BEST FIRE PROTECTION YOU CAN HAVE. WE'RE VERY HOPEFUL THAT WE WERE GOING TO SEE A DROP DOWN IN THAT TO A THREE WHICH AFFECTS HOW MUCH THE HOMEOWNERS, AS WELL AS COMMERCIAL PROPERTY OWNERS PAY FOR THEIR PROPERTY INSURANCE. AND SO THAT COMMENCING WOULD PROBABLY NOT REDUCE UNDER THE SCENARIO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE AND MAY IN FACT, INCREASE BEYOND WHERE WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW.

THERE WAS SECOND QUESTION. I MAY HAVE MISSED IT.

>> THINK YOU GOT IT.

>> I HAVE A COMMENT ABOUT FUNDING AGENTS ARE GRADED ON EXECUTION AND WHEN THEY GIVE YOU A GRANT AND YOU DON'T EXECUTE, THEY DON'T GET CREDIT FOR IT I AND SO THEY ARE GOING TO BE RELUCTANT TO BET ON YOU IN THE FUTURE, SO IT'S SENDING A RISK

DOWN STREAM, AS WELL. >> THAT'S TRUE FOR A LOT OF GRANTS NOT EVEN JUST FOR FIRE RESCUE.

THEY ARE IN DANGER, CORRECT? AND WE HAVE BEAUTIFUL FIRE STATIONS AND AGAIN WE'RE VERY PROUD THAT WE'RE ABLE TO HAVE A BOND TO INCREASE OUR FIRE STATIONS BECAUSE THEY ARE NEED BUT WE NEED FIREMEN TO BE IN THEM.

>> THE STATION IS NOT GOING TO DO YOU GOOD IF THERE IS NO PERSONNEL TO OPERATE OUT OF IT. CLEARLY.

>> ANY QUESTIONS? THANK YOU CHIEF.

>> ALRIGHT AND THEN MOVING ON THE A COUPLE OF OTHER PARTS OF YOUR BUDGET. YOU DO HAVE SOME OUT SOURCE FUNCTIONS WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT IN PREVIOUS BOARD MEETINGS.

SENIOR CENTERS. HEALTH DEPARTMENT AND J TA BROKEN OUT IN TWO SECTIONS. J.T.A TRANSPORT AUTHORITY IS YOUR OVERALL BUS SERVICE AND THE TRANSIT AUTHORITY IS YOUR BUS SERVICE FROM THE MALL THE FLIER LINE THAT GOES INTO

JACKSONVILLE. >> WE DID MODEL A 15 AND 30 PERCENT REDUCTION IN BOTH OF THOSE.

ANY QUESTIONS ON THE OUT-SOURCED ITEM?

>> DO HAVE A QUESTION. WHEN YOU PUT THE 26-27 BUDGET, J.T.A, I THOUGHT WE NOTIFIED THEM WERE TELL NEGOTIATING THAT?

>> THE BOARD SAID THEY WANTED TO LEAVE MONEY IN THERE FOR ALTERNATE TRANSPORTATION SO WE HAVE TO PAY THEM FOR THREE MONTHS THIS YEAR. OCTOBER, NOVEMBER AND DECEMBER UNDER THE CURRENT CONTRACT, AND THEN THE NEXT NINE MONTHS THE DIRECTION WE HEARD FROM THE BOARD IS TO LEAVE MONEY IN THERE BECAUSE ASSISTANT COUNTY MANAGER KAREN SMITH WAS LOOKING AT OTHER OPTIONS FOR POTENTIAL BUS SERVICE SO THAT'S WHY WE LEFT

THE MONEY THERE. >> STILL LESS THOUGH?

>> WE CUT ABOUT 500,000 IF I REMEMBER RIGHT.

RIGHT. I THINK THAT ANSWERS.

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THANKS. >> MADAM CHAIR?

>> I HAD SAME QUESTION, ACTUALLY.

SO AND NOT RIGHT NOW BUT FURTHERMORE LIKE I'D LIKE MORE INFORMATION ON WHAT WE FOUND WITH ALL OF THAT MOVING FORWARD.

NOT RIGHT NOW BUT MAYBE NEXT MEETING OR SOMETHING.

>> LOOKING TO MAKE SURE. >> THAT WAS A CUT?

>> THAT WAS CUT ALREADY, I KNOW J.T.A HAS COME TO MET WITH IDEAS ON HOW THEY CAN SHARPEN THEIR PENCIL AND SHE HAS OTHER IDEAS

SHE'S BEEN WORKING ON. >> THEY'VE QUESTION.

SENIOR CENTERS. AGING TRUE? WE HAVE THREE? OR FOUR?

>> FOUR. GREEN COVE.

>> 30 PERCENT REDUCTION AND I'LL ASSUME ONE OF THEM?

>> I WILL NOT SPEAK FOR THE OPERATION BUT I'M ASSUMING AND I KNOW AGAIN THIS IS JUST COUNTY MANAGER SMITH HAS BEEN WORKING WITH THEM ON OTHER REDUCTIONS THAT THEY ARE ALREADY WORKING TOWARDS BECAUSE THEY ARE HAVING THE SAME BUDGET CONCERNS THAT I GUESS EVERYONE IS HAVING BUT I WOULD ASSUME THEY WOULD SAY YES THEY WOULD HAVE TO CUT A FACILITY TO CAUGHT 30 PERCENT REDUCTION. OR MORE THAN ONE.

I DON'T KNOW. >> MAYBE NOW IS THE TIME.

I WAS GOING TO ASK THIS AT SOME POINT.

MOBILITY FEES FUND AND IMPACT FEES FUND, WOULD THESE REDUCTIONS YOU KNOW, THOSE FUNDS ARE PLEDGED TOWARDS THOSE BONDS THE BONDS WE TOOK OUT FOR TRANSPORTATION.

>> THIS MONEY IS, THE 300 MILLION AND THE REDUCTIONS IN AD VALOREM ARE OPERATIONAL EXPENSES.

IMPACT, MOBILITY FEES ARE CAPITAL FUNDS SO THOSE FUNDS ARE STILL THERE AND STILL CAN BE USED, THE PROBLEM IS GOING TO BE AS YOU MOVE THROUGH THIS PROCESS IS YOU MAY BUILD NEW STUFF YOU

CAN'T MAINTAIN. >> CAN WE PAY FOR THE FIRE STATION. THE 65 MILLION BOND.

>> YOU ARE PLEDGING YOUR SALES TAX.

>> YEAH. THAT'S YOUR INFRASTRUCTURE SALES TAX IS PLEDGED FOR THAT AND THE ROAD BOND SO THAT DOESN'T EFFECT

AD VALOREM. >> THAT'S MY QUESTION.

>> CORRECT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON OUT-SOURCED? AND THEN THE LAST SECTION IS YOUR MANDATES AND OBLIGATION, SO AGAIN WE'RE LOOKING AT 15 TO 30 PERCENT REDUCTION AND THIS 11, $12,000,000 YOU CAN'T REALLY REDUCE BY 15 OR 30 PERCENT. THESE ARE STATUTORY, COORDINATES DRIVEN BOARD DECISIONS MADE THAT YOU HAVE KIND OF LOCKED INTO AND THEY WOULD REQUIRE SOME EITHER MOST OF THESE WOULD REQUIRE A LEGAL OPINION OF WHETHER YOU CAN GET OUT OF THEM OR IF THERE IS A CHANGE. PART OF THAT FIVE MILLION IN PUBLIC ASSISTANCE IS YOUR MEDICARE PASSED ON BY THE STATE AND YOU HAVE NO DISCRETION OVER THAT.

THEY TAKE THAT OFF THE TOP OF THE MONEY THEY SEND YOU.

SO MOST OF THESE THINGS YOU CANNOT, WORKERS COMP IS PART OF YOUR RISK INSURANCE AND YOU ARE REQUIRED TO HAVE IT.

YOU ARE REQUIRED TO PAY FOR THINGS WHEN PEOPLE GET INJURED ON THE JOB. SO THIS 11 MILLION WE CAN'T REALLY REDUCE BY 15 OR 30 PERCENT AS REQUESTED AND THAT'S JUST PART OF THE EXERCISE THIS 12 MILLION IS KIND OF STUCK THERE. IF THAT MAKES SENSE.

>> I'M CONFUSED. CRAS ARE FUNDED BY INCREASE IN

AD VALOREM OVER THE YEARS? >> RIGHT.

AD VALOREM COMING IN. >> THE INCREASE.

>> RIGHT BUT WE TAKE THE AD VALOREM IN AND THAT'S PART OF YOUR 181 MILLION OF AD VALOREM YOU RECEIVE AND WHATEVER THE INCREASE IS WE WRITE A CHECK AND HAND TOILET GREEN COVE.

>> THERE WON'T BE AN INCREASE. >> THERE MAY STILL BE.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT WILL BE. >> THE 30 PERCENT LEFT.

>> REMEMBER IT'S BASED ON VALUE. NOT ON ASSESSMENT.

SO THAT'S GOING TO BE AGAIN THESE ARE LEGAL QUESTIONS WE'LL HAVE TO EXPLORE AND I'M SURE ACROSS THE ENTIRE STATE THEY WILL EXPLORE HOW CR A'S FUNCTION SORE DO THEY CONTINUE TO

FUNCTION. >> IT'S NOT GOING TO BE GOOD

NEWS FOR US. >> I MEAN I HAVE NO ANSWER ON HOW A C RA WORKS WITH WHEN YOU HAVE A MASSIVE REDUCTION IN TASKS POTENTIALLY. BUT MY POINT IS, YOU CAN'T JUST SAY I'M NOT GOING TO PAY THE CRA YOU HAVE THE LEGAL OBLIGATION.

>> NEXT MEETING. >> I HAVE A QUESTION.

ON THE NOELS PIT I UNDERSTAND IT'S ONLY $10,000 BUT IT IS $10,000 SO WHY IS THAT NOT PAID OUT OF THE ENTERPRISE FUND?

>> MY UNDERSTANDING AND AGAIN I PROBABLY HAVE TO DEFER TO LEGAL BUT WE'LL HAVE TO LOOK INTO IT DEEPER BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS

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- >> WE CONTAMINATED THE PROPERTY?

>> THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING. NOT THIS BOARD, A LONG TIME AG.

THERE HE IS. >> HEL MILTON.

>> WE'RE UNDER A CONSENT ORDER WITH FTP FOR CLEAN UP AND WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW AND WHAT THIS 10,000 THAT'S KIND OF A MAINTENANCE, WE'RE STILL REQUIRED TO DO ANNUAL WELL TESTING BECAUSE OF THE HIGH AMOUNTS OF ARSENIC AND BENZINE AND IRON AND SOME OTHER THINGS AND THIS IS NOELS PIT IS CLOSED SO THE REMAINING SIDE IS THE SLEEPY HOLLOW PUBLIC WORKS YARD AND THIS WAS, ALL OF THESE ISSUES WERE AT PUBLIC WORK SITES FROM YEARS AGO AND NOT PART OF THE SOLID WASTE RESPONSIBILITY OTHER THAN HELP OVERSEE THE CLEAN UP ONCE THE STATE REQUIRED

THAT. >> OKAY AND HOW LONG DID THAT

GO? >> IT GOES UNTIL WE'RE RELEASED.

>> UNTIL THE NUMBERS GO BELOW? >> THEY ARE NOT GOING TO.

IN THE CASE OF SLEEPY HOLLOW, THERE IS MATERIAL ON SO THE ONLY WAY TO GET IT CLEANED UP WOULD BE TO HAUL THAT MATERIAL OUT OF STATE TO A HAZARDOUS WASTE LANDFILL AND THOSE COSTS HAVE BEEN DEEMED PROHIBITIVE FOR MANY YEARS NOW AND THAT'S WHY IT WASN'T DONE 25, YEARS AGO. AND SO IT'S BEEN THE DECISION THAT BETTER CHOICE WAS JUST TO MONITOR AND MAKE SURE IT'S NOT MIGRATING OFF WHICH IT'S NOT UP UNTIL NOW BUT THERE'S BEEN RECENT CONVERSATIONS ON HOW WE DEAL WITH THIS IN THE FUTURE BECAUSE THINGS ARE, SEEM TO BE PRETTY STABLE.

>> THANKS. >> STABLE.

>> THANK YOU. >> ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS ON THE MANDATES AND OBLIGATIONS? THAT'S IT.

>> THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU STAFF.

VERY MUCH FOR DOING THAT. AND EVERYONE ELSE THAT

PRESENTED. >> GOOD? ALRIGHT. WE ARE GOING TO MOVE ON.

>> MADAM CHAIR I JUST WANT TO SAY, I RECOGNIZE THAT THERE ARE NOT AS MANY DEPUTIES IN THE ROOM BUT QUITE A FEW FIREFIGHTERS AND THIS SCENARIO WAS EXERCISE IN SCENARIO TWO, WE WERE PRESENTED WITH POTENTIAL THREE SCENARIOS, AND NOT THAT I DON'T VALUE ALL COUNTY EMPLOYEES I DO BUT I JUST WANT THOSE THAT PUT THEMSELVES IN, IN THE FACE OF DANGER EVERY DAY TO KNOW THAT I VALUE YOU AND I KNOW THE OTHER BOARD MEMBERS DO TOO AND WE APPRECIATE YOU AND HOPE YOU HAVE THE CONFIDENCE IN US TO KNOW THAT WHATEVER HAPPENS NEXT TUESDAY IF THIS PASSES OR DOESN'T PASS, THAT WE'RE GOING TO DO EVERYTHING WE'RE CAN TO TAKE CARE OF YOU AND WE APPRECIATE YOU AND I JUST WANT TO SAY THANKS FOR COMING.

[15. Final Public Hearing to consider ZON 26-0025. (District 1,2,3,4,5) (C. Curington)This application is a Text Amendment to Article III of the Land Development Code, Sec. 3-27 (b) (2), Permitted Uses, to add Walk In Testing Laboratory, within the Shopping Center District (BSC)]

THANK YOU. >> ALRIGHT WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO "TIME CERTAINS". IF YOU ARE GOING TO, IF YOU ARE PLANNING ON SPEAKING AT 1516, 1920 OR 21 COULD YOU PLEASE STAND TO BE SWORN IN AND COME TOWARDS THE MIDDLE OF THE ROOM SO YOU CAN BE ON THE CAMERA? 15, 16, 19, 20 OR 211.

IF YOU ARE GOING TO SPEAK, PLEASE STAND.

OKAY. RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.

DO YOU SO LEMLY SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE TESTIMONY YOU ARE ABOUT TO GIVE WILL BE THE WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH SO HELP YOU GOD? THANK YOU.

>> NOW NUMBER 15. FINAL PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER

26-0025 AND WE'LL GO AHEAD. >> GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS.

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THE NEW SHOPPING CENTER DISTRICT WOULD BE AMENDED AS FOLLOWS.

USES PERMITTED TO INCLUDE SERVICE ESTABLISHMENTS SUCH AS BARBER OR BEAUTY SHOP, SHOE REPAIR, RESTAURANT, ET CETERA TO INCLUDE WALK IN TESTING LABORATORY

>> THE BS ZONING DISTRICT WAS ESTABLISHED TO PLANNED COMMERCIAL FACILITIES WITH DEPTH LIKE A SHOPPING CENTER RATHER THAN STRIP TYPE DEVELOPMENT TO PROVIDE VARIETY OF GOODS.

THE APPOLLO CIRCLE WANTS WALK IN TESTING TO PERMITTED USES IN THE SHOPPING CENTER DISTRICT. ON OCTOBER 6TH OF 2026 THE PLANNING COMMISSION VOTED 5-0 TO APPROVE THIS ITEM.

AND STAFF HAS RECOMMENDED AN APPROVAL FOR 026-0025.

>> ANY QUESTIONS? IS THE APPLICANT HERE?

WANTS TO SPEAK? >> MADAM CHAIR? THIS IS MORE OF A LEGAL QUESTION FOR COURTNEY.

IN THE CODE, HOW MUCH LATITUDE DO COMMISSIONERS HAVE TO REMOVE

CONDITIONAL USES? >> WELL BASED ON THIS ADVERTISEMENT, NONE. YOU WOULD HAVE TO, WE'D HAVE TO COME BACK WITH ADDITIONAL ADVERTISING AND THEN WE'D HAVE TO LOOK AT ACTUALLY WHAT PROPERTIES ALREADY HAD THAT

ZONING. >> OKAY.

THANKS SO THAT WAS JUST A SIDE QUESTION.

>> ANYONE ELSE? ALRIGHT. OPEN UP TO PUBLIC HEARING.

ANYONE LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ONE? CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. OH.

OKAY. BRING IT BACK TO THE BOARD.

>> MADAM CHAIR A QUESTION. HOW MANY OFF THE TOP OF YOUR HEAD, THIS MIGHT BE A BETH QUESTION OR MAYBE YOU KNOW OR DON'T. HOW MANY BSC ZONING DO WE HAVE RIGHT NOW IN CLAY COUNTY? OKAY.

BECAUSE IT'S NOT VERY COMMON. YEAH.

OKAY. THAT WAS MY ONLY QUESTION.

>> MADAM CHAIR I'LL MOVE A MAKE TO APPROVE.

>> MOTION AND SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.

ANY APPOSED? PASSES 5-0.

[16. Final Public Hearing to consider adoption of ZON 26-0024 (District 4, Comm. Condon) (C. Curington) This application is a rezoning to change a single parcel of land (7.05 acres) from Agricultural (AG) to Agricultural/Residential (AR).]

COMMISSIONER CONDON'S DISTRICT. >> THIS IS REZONING APPLICATION ZON AND THE APPLICANT IS DAVID A TRANSD NORTH OF LONG BRANCH ROAD IN THE VERY NORTHWEST PORTION OF THE COUNTY AND MIDDLEBURGH CLAY HILL AND COMMISSIONER CONDON'S DISTRICT.

THE APPLICANT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THE FOLLOWING CHANGES TO THE PROPERTY. CHANGE ZONE OF A 7.50 FROM AG TO AG RESIDENTIAL. AS YOU CAN SEE HERE IN THE MAP, THESE ARE ALL THE PROPERTIES THAT WERE CONTACTED.

ON THE RIGHT IS A LIST OF THE NAMES.

ON THE LEFT SIDE WE SEE OUR PARCEL MAP AND ON THE RIGHT SIDE, WE SEE OUR REZONING. IN THESE MAPS ON THE LEFT SIDE WE SEE OUR EXISTING ZONE AND YOU CAN SEE AGRICULTURE AND AGGREGATE RESIDENTIAL ON ALL THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES AND ON THE RIGHT WE SEE OUR PROPOSED ZONING FROM AGRICULTURE TO AGRICULTURE RESIDENTIAL. ON JULY 25TH 2026 THE MIDDLEBERG CLAY HILL VOTED 9-0 TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL ON THIS ITEM.

ON OCTOBER 6TH, 2026 THE PLANNING COMMISSION VOTED 7-0 TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL. THE REZONING APPLICATION HAS BEEN MET AND THE RECOMMENDS APPROVAL FOR ZON 20-0024.

>> IS THE APPLICANT HERE? WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK? OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING? ANYONE LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND

BRING IT BACK TO THE BOARD. >> I HAD EX PARTE COMMUNICATION WITH THE APPLICANT THROUGH E-MAIL AND I WILL MAKE A MOTION

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TO APPROVE. >> ANYONE ELSE HAVE THAT? OKAY. I HAVE A MOTION.

MOTION AND SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.

ANY APPOSED? PASSES 5-0.

[17. Final Public Hearing to consider adoption of COMP 26-0026. (District 4, Comm. Condon) (C. Curington)This application is a FLUM Amendment to change 1.53 acres from Rural Residential (RR) to Branan Field Institutional (BF-Inst).]

FINAL PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER ADOPTION OF COMP 0026 AND COMMISSIONER CONDON'S DISTRICT ALSO.

>> THIS WAS A SMALL SALE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT AND COMP 26-0026. THE APPLICANT WAS PRINCE OF PEACE MISSIONARY BAPTIST CHURCH AND THIS IS ON BRONCO ROAD AND MIDDLEBERG. IT'S OAK LIEFF CABRASER AND BRANCH RIDGE IN COMMISSIONER CONDON'S DISTRICT.

THE REQUART IS TO CHANGE 1.53 FROM RURAL RESIDENT TOLL INSTITUTIONAL. YOU CAN SEE THE SIGNS POSTED IN THE PARCELS NOTIFIED AND SHEER LIST OF ALL THOSE THAT WERE NOTIFIED. ON THE LEFT SIDE YOU CAN SEE THE PARCEL LOCATION. WITH BRONCO ROAD TO THE NORTH AND LONG BAY TO THE EAST. ON THE RIGHT THE AREAL MAP TO GET A PERSPECTIVE. ON THE LEFT THE EXISTING LAND-USES AND IT'S ALL RURAL RESIDENTIAL WITH SOME BRANDON FIELD ON THE FAR RIGHT OF THE MAP AND THEN ON THE RIGHT SIDE YOU SEE THE PROPOSED LAND-USE WITH THE BRANDON FIELD INSTITUTIONAL DESIGNATION. HERE YOU CAN SEE A ZONING MAP.

ON AUGUST 31ST, 2026 THE CEAC VOTED 6-0 TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL ON OCTOBER 6TH, 2026 THE PLANNING COMMISSION VOTED 6-0 TO RECOMMEND DENIAL OF THIS ITEM. STAFF HAS FOUND THE CRITERIA FOR THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT HAVE BEEN MET AND RECOMMENDS

APPROVAL. >> ANY QUESTIONS? IS THE APPLICANT HERE? WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK? OKAY. WE WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

ALRIGHT I HAVE ROB MCKISSICK FIRST.

EMILY MCKISSICK IS NEXT. >> GOOD EVENING.

ROB MCKISSICK AND I LIVE ON BRONCO ROAD FOR 33 YEARS ALONG WITH MANY PEOPLE IN THIS ROOM TONIGHT THAT ARE NOT WILLING TO SPEAK BUT THEY HAVE SPENT MANY E-MAILS ASKING FOR THIS TO BE DENIED PER THE PLANNING COMMISSION ON THE SIXTH.

I WANT TO FOCUS ON COMPATIBILITY, PRESIDENT AND LONG-TERM USES OF THIS LAND-USE CHANGE.

THE COUNTY HAD THE LAND-USE CATEGORY THAT ALLOWS PLACES OF WORSHIP AND OTHER USES. DURING THE SEPTEMBER FIRST COMMISSION MEETING COUNTY STAFF STATED THAT A CHURCH APPLICATION WOULD BE COMING THE FOLLOWING MONTH AND ON OCTOBER SIXTH THAT APPLICATION CAME BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION DENIED THE REQUESTED LAND-USE CHANGE.

THAT TIME-LINE REENFORCES IMPORTANT DISTINCTION.

CREATING INSTITUTIONAL LAND-USE IS ONE DECISION.

DECIDING WHERE THAT CATEGORY BELONGS IS ANOTHER.

THE QUESTION IS WHETHER THE SPECIFIC 1.53 ACRE RESIDENTIAL RURAL PARCEL ON BRONCO ROAD, NOT ON LONG BAY, IS AN APPROPRIATE LOCATION FOR AN INSTITUTIONAL LAND-USE CHANGE.

THIS DECISION SHOULD NOT BE BASED SOLELY ON THE CURRENT APPLICANT OR WHAT THEY INTEND TO BUILD TODAY.

THE CURRENT OWNER CAN CHANGE. THE ORGANIZATION CAN CHANGE.

THE PROPOSED PLANS CAN CHANGE. BUT THE LAND-USE DESIGNATION WOULD REMAIN. THERE IS ALSO ISSUES OF PRESIDENT. IF THE INSTITUTIONAL IS APPROPRIATE FOR THIS RURAL RESIDENTIAL PARCEL TODAY WHAT IS THE PLANNING BASIS FOR DENYING A SIMILAR REQUEST ON THE NEXT AVAILABLE PARCEL ON BRONCO ROAD OR ANY OTHER NEAR RURAL RESIDENTIAL ROAD. COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING SHOULD PROVIDE CONSISTENTLY AND PREDICTABILITY NOT INCREMENTAL CHANGES ONE PARCEL AT A TIME LIKE SPOT ZONING.

THIS IS NOT OPPOSITION TO A CHURCH BUT WHERE INSTITUTION IS AN APPROPRIATE LONG-TERM DESIGNATION FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY OR AREA. IF THERE IS A COMPELLING PLANNING REASON TO CHANGE THIS PARCEL FROM RURAL RESIDENT TOLL

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THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, SIR.

EMILY MCKISSICK. AND MICHELLE MURRAY IS NEXT.

>> GOOD EVENING MY NAME IS EMILY AND I'VE LIVED AT 4028 BRONCO ROAD FOR 33 YEARS. MANY OF OUR CHILDREN GROUP AND WENT TO SCHOOL TOGETHER. OVER THE PAST THREE DECADES WE HAVE BUILT LASTING FRIENDSHIPS LOOKING OUT FOR ONE ANOTHER AND WATCHING EACH OTHER'S HOMES AND HELPING WHEN SOMEONE NEEDS IT.

MANY OF US CONSIDER EACH OTHER OUR BRONCO FAMILY.

THAT HISTORY IS WHY THIS DECISION MATTER, SO MUCH TO US.

THE RURAL RESIDENTIAL SETTING HAS HELPED TO SUSTAIN THE COMMUNITY WE KNOW AND LOVE TODAY.

WE UNDERSTAND THAT A NEIGHBORHOOD'S HISTORY DOES NOT ANSWER EVERY PLANNING QUESTION. THAT IS WHY WE'RE ASKING YOU TO CONNECT OUR FIRST HAND EXPERIENCE WITH THE PRACTICAL ISSUES BEFORE YOU SUCH AS COMPATIBILITY WITH NEAR-BY HOMES. TRAFFIC ON A ROAD WITH ONLY ONE ENTRANCE AND ONE EXIT. THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND THE LONG-TERM USES THAT THE PROPOSED DESIGNATION COULD ALLOW.

WE ARE ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT THE PTENTIAL EFFECT ON THE ENJOYMENT AND MARKETABILITY OF OUR HOMES.

WE KNOW WE CAN'T A SIGN A DOLLAR AMOUNT TO THAT CONCERN OR CLAIM A PROVEN LOSS IN VALUE. WHAT WE CAN EXPLAIN IS THAT THE QUIET RURAL RESIDENTIAL CHARACTER WAS MAJOR REASON MANY OF US CHOSE TO LIVE THERE AND HAVE REMAINED THERE FOR YEARS.

AND DECADES. IF THIS AMENDMENT IS APPROVED IT WILL SET A PRECEDENCE FOR THE FUTURE THAT ANY ENTITY WILL BE ABLE TO PURCHASE INDIVIDUAL PARCELS AND HAVE THAT LAND-USE CHANGED TO WHATEVER IT SUITS FOR THEIR NEEDS.

THE PLANNING COMMISSION UNANIMOUSLY RECOMMENDED DENIAL OF THIS AMENDMENT AND WE ASK YOU TO FOLLOW THAT RECOMMENDATION AND PRESERVE THE RURAL RESIDENTIAL DESIGNATION.

SEVERAL NEIGHBORS HAVE COME HERE TONIGHT EVEN THOUGH THEY DO NOT WISH TO SPEAK. OUR ATTENDANCE REFLECTS HOW SERIOUSLY THIS COMMUNITY TAKES THE DECISION BEFORE YOU.

ON BEHALF OF MYSELF AND THE NEIGHBORS THAT SHARE OUR CONCERNS I RESPECTFULLY ASK YOU DENY COMP 26-006.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >> THANK YOU.

>> MICHELLE MARIE? AND ROY GRAY IS NEXT.

NEVER MIND. HE DOESN'T WANT TO SPEAK.

>> HI I'M MICHELLE MARIE AND I LIVE AN BRONCO ROAD.

THIS HITS TWO PIECES OF MY PROPERTY SO IT'S RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO MY PROPERTY. I BOUGHT THREE AND A HALF YEARS AGO AS A RURAL RESIDENTIAL. LAST MEETING THEY TOLD US THAT THEY WANT TO PLAN TO PUT A 10,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING ON THIS PROPERTY WHICH IS RIGHT NEXT TO MY BEDROOM WINDOW.

I WOULD HOPE THAT YOU WOULD STICK TO WHAT THE COMMITTEE SAID LAST WEEK OR TWO WEEKS AGO. A DENIAL.

I PURPOSEFULLY BOUGHT FOR RESIDENTIAL RURAL AND I DON'T WANT A CONSTANT MOVEMENT, TRAFFIC IS NOT EASY, PARKING, THEY SAID IT WOULD BE LIKE THE ORANGE BUFFET ON LANDING BOULEVARD. THAT IS THE SIZE OF THIS PROPERTY AND WHAT THEY WANT TO BUILD ON IT, SO I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO CONTINUE TO STICK WITH THE 0-0, SORRY I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING IN FRONT OF ME BUT THE DENIAL FOR THIS PROPERTY'S REZONING. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU, MA'AM. ROY GRAY IS WAIVING SPEAKING BUT IS AGAINST. LORI BICKERS? AND THEN AFTER IS SANDRA STEIN METZ.

>> I'M LORI AND MY MOTHER LIVES ON BRONCO ROAD.

SHE'S ELDERLY AND SHE WILL BE UP TO SPEAK NEXT.

GOING DOWN THERE, THIS IS A VERY FAMILY-ORIENTED COMMUNITY.

THE PARENTS WAIT FOR THEIR CHILDREN AT THE FRONT OF THE ROAD WHERE THEY ARE GOING TO WANT TO BUILD THIS CHURCH.

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SO HAVING TRAFFIC COMING IN AND OUT OF THE THE CHURCH OR BUSINESS, WHATEVER IT BECOMES AFTER THEY CHOOSE TO STAY OR MOVE, IT COULD REALLY JEOPARDIZE THIS AND THIS IS A GENERATIONAL COMMUNITY. IT'S THESE PROPERTIES ARE GOING TO GO DOWN TO THEIR FAMILIES. THEY ARE NOT MEANT TO SELL.

THEY WANT TO STAY THE SAME THING.

THANK YOU. PLEASE DO NOT APP

APPROVE. >> SANDRA?

>> GOOD EVENING MY NAME IS SANDRA.

I LIVE AT 4180 BRONCO ROAD. AND I WOULD ASK THAT WE MAINTAIN THIS AS A RURAL RESIDENTIAL, AS YOUR COMMITTEE VOTED LAST TIME AND I APPRECIATED THAT. WE LIVE THERE IN PEACE AND HARMONY WITH OUR NEIGHBORS AND WISH TO KEEP IT THAT WAY AND NOT HAVE OUR ZONING CHANGED AND I THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> THANK YOU, MA'AM. ALRIGHT I HAVE DENNIS URBAN IS AGAINST AND IS NOT GOING TO SPEAK.

SHARON URBAN IS AGAINST AND NOT SPEAKING, AND THEN GLORIA ALAN DID YOU WANT TO SPEAK? YOU WANT TO SAY? WHAT YOUR WISHES ARE? WELL THAT WASN'T VERY HARD.

>> GLORIA ALAN AND I LIVE AT 3974 BRONCO ROAD.

WHAT IS GOING TO GO IN THERE IS GOING TO BE DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM ME. DRIVEWAY TO DRIVEWAY.

I DON'T WANT ANYBODY IN THERE. THEY ARE TAKING A WAY FROM THE WILDLIFE AND WE WOULD LIKE TO KEEP IT EMPTY.

I'M AGAINST ANYTHING GOING IN THERE.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, MA'AM.

JOHN BENSON? YOU FEEL THE SAME AS HER I'M ASSUMEING? OKAY.

MARTY PHILLIPS? SIR, CAN YOU REMOVE YOUR HAT?

I'M SORRY. >> YES.

>> THANK YOU. >> NAME IS MARTY PHILLIPS.

4451 BRONCO ROAD. I STRONGLY THINK THIS WOULD BE LIKE A SUPER BAD IDEAL. BECAUSE AT THE END TO ROAD GOING ADJACENT TO LONG BAY ROAD IT TAKES SO LONG JUST TO GET OUT ANYMORE. SO I HIGHLY DISA PRPPROVE THE C

2026 I THINK IS WHAT IT IS. >> THANK YOU, SIR.

ANTHONY ANDERSON? THEN I HAVE ALBERTA GARRETT NEXT. SURE.

SURE. THAT'S FINE.

>> HELLO. >> GOOD EVENING.

ACTUALLY I'M HERE REPRESENTING THE CHURCH.

I'M ONE OF THE ASSOCIATE MINISTERS OF THE CHURCH.

JUST WANT TO CLARIFY A COUPLE OF THINGS.

WHEN WE SAW THIS PROPERTY, AND WE DECIDED IT MIGHT BE A GOOD LOCATION FOR US, WE DID OUR DUE DILIGENCE.

WE MET WITH THE ZONING BOARD. WE MET WITH JENNY, I THINK IT'S BRIELER. AND SHE LED US TO BELIEVE THIS

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AND THAT CONVERSATION I BELIEVE IS ON RECORD.

SO THAT IS WHY WE ARE HERE, BUT JUST TO LET THE COMMUNITY KNOW, OUR CHURCH WOULD ONLY BE IN THE CHURCH THE THREE AND A HALF HOURS A WEEK. WE HAVE A SMALL CHURCH.

RIGHT NOW CONSISTENT WITH A LITTLE OVER 40 PEOPLE.

IF IT GOT TO THE POINT IT COULDN'T HOLD WHATEVER THE CAPACITY IS, WE WOULD BE OUT OF THERE.

BUT RIGHT NOW, WE DO, WE HAVE PURCHASED SOME LAND AND WE DO NEED A CHURCH SO WE'RE ASKING YOU TO CONSIDER THAT.

AND WE ARE HERE TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS TO THE COMMUNITY.

SO I JUST WANTED TO JUST CLARIFY A COUPLE OF THINGS BUT WE DID OUR DUE DILIGENCE. WE WERE JUST GIVEN THE WRONG

INFORMATION EVIDENTLY. >> I HAVE A QUESTION.

THIS IS IN A NEIGHBORHOOD SO DID YOU LOOK AT OTHER PLACES AND

THEN YOU FOUND THIS PLACE? >> YES WE DID.

WE FELT THIS WOULD FIT OUR NEED. >> WAS THERE A SECOND CHOICE, MAYBE? IF THIS DOESN'T WORK OUT?

>> WELL WE'VE ALREADY PAID FOR THE LAND SO WE OF COURSE WOULD

HAVE TO - >> MADAM CHAIR? AND MA'AM YOU SAID THAT YOU SPOKE WITH A MEMBER OF STAFF.

BY CHANCE DID YOU SPEAK TO ANY COMMISSIONER?

>> ISN'T SHE THE DIRECTOR? >> ELECTED OFFICIALS THOUGH?

>> NOT ONLY THAT BUT IN OUR FIRST MEETING WE GOT APPROVAL THERE. FOR US TO BUILD A CHURCH.

>> YEAH. >> THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU MA'AM. ANTHONY? ANDE ANDERSON?

>> GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYONE. MY NAME IS DEACON ANTHONY ANDERSON ONE OF THE DEACONS IN THE CHURCH AND THE PASTOR ASKED ME TO SPEAK A FEW WORDS ON HIS BEHALF.

AS WAS STATED, WE HAVE BEEN ON THIS SEARCH FOR A PROPERTY FOR OUR SMALL CONGREGATION AND WE MEET A FEW TIMES A WEEK, OF COURSE WEDNESDAY NIGHT FOR APPROXIMATELY ONE HOUR AND SUNDAY OUR WORSHIP SERVICES NORMALLY END AT ABOUT AN HOUR AND A HALF. THERE IS A SMALL GROUP OF US.

WE DID PLAN THROUGH PRAYER AND PRAISE THAT WE WILL AT ONE POINT IN TIME OR SOME POINT IN TIME GROW, AND WE CONSIDERED THAT.

WE CONSIDERED IF WE NEEDED TO SELL THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY, WHAT DO WITH IT WITHOUT TARNISHING OR BRING ANY HARM TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. IT SOUNDS LIKE IT IS A GREAT GROUP OF PEOPLE AS WAS STATED, THE FIRST ATTEMPT TO BRING THIS TO THE BOARD APPEARED IT WOULD BE APPROVED.

WE DIDN'T SEE ANY PUSH BACK UNTIL WE STARTED TO NOTICE A POST IF YOU WILL ON FACEBOOK PAGE ASKING EVERYONE TO CHIME IN AND HAVE THEM REJECT THIS PROPOSAL WHICH WE KIND OF SORT OF SCRATCHED OUR HEAD BECAUSE AGAIN, GOOD CHURCH GOING WE WANTED TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS AND IT APPEARED TO BE A BEAUTIFUL SPOT IN A COMMUNITY. YOU KNOW ON THE MAP THERE A SMALL PARCEL OF LAND. I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE IS CONCERNS ABOUT WHETHER KEEPING THAT OR PRESERVING FARM LANDS AND IF YOU WILL AND JUST TO BRING YOU TO YOUR ATTENTION I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT LOCATION BUT I THINK 4170 BRONCO ROAD THERE IS A GARAGE. THERE A C A GARAGE WITHOUT SIDE LIFTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT IT IS A 1.52 PARCEL SO I GOT A LITTLE BIT CONFUSED WHEN WE WERE GETTING A LOT OF PUSH BACK ABOUT TRAFFIC BECAUSE YOU HAVE A GARAGE THAT'S BEEN THERE SINCE

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VERSES AN OPERATING GARAGE FULL SERVICE GARAGE.

ONE OF THE THINGS I NOTICED AS I WAS READING I WANT TO READ SOMETHING TO YOU. ABOUT SOME FINDINGS.

STAFF FINDINGS AND I GOT THIS OFF OF OUR WEBSITE AND I'M SURE IF I READ SOMETHING I WASN'T SUPPOSED TO BE READING AND IT TALKS TO STAFF APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL OF 260026 AND ONE OF THE FINDINGS THAT I READ IN HERE IT SAYS PROPOSAL ADDS NON-RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY SERVING USES IN APPROXIMATELY OF SURROUNDING RESIDENTIAL USES CONTRIBUTING TO A MORE FUNCTIONAL BALANCE OF LAND-USES AND COMPATIBILITY MEASURES REQUIRED THROUGH THE PUD AND SITE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS WILL ADDRESS THE TRANSITION TO ADJACENT RULE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES IN READING THAT MADE ME BELIEVE THAT PUTTING A CHURCH IN THAT SMALL PARTICULAR PLACE IS NOT A BAD IDEA.

SO AGAIN WE'RE JUST A LITTLE TAKEN BACK BECAUSE WE HAVE PURCHASED THE LAND AND WE LIKE THE AREA, WE DON'T MEAN ANY DISRESPECT OR HARM OR PLAN TO, YOU KNOW, DEVALUE ANY OTHER PROPERTIES WHETHER IT'S PASSED ON GENERATIONAL WISE OR WHAT HAVE YOU BUT WE THOUGHT THIS WOULD BE AN IDEAL PLACE.

I HEARD THE YOUNG LADY SPEAK TO THE FACT THAT WHERE WE WOULD BE BUILDING ONE OF OUR BUILDINGS IS RIGHT UP AGAINST HER BEDROOM, WELL OUR PLAN PROPOSED IS OPEN WHICH MEANS WHERE WE PLAN TO BUILD THAT BUILDING CAN BE FLIPPED TO THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF OR MOVE TO A DIFFERENT DIRECTION PER OUR DIAGRAM, SO NOT TO IMPEDE AGAIN OR ENCROACH ON HER HOUSE, I DO YOU KNOW WHOLEHEARTEDLY AND WE'VE BEEN PRAYING ABOUT THIS IS A LOT, PLEASE GIVE THIS CONSIDERATION OF APPROVAL.

I THANK YOU VERY MUCH RESPECTFULLY FOR YOUR TIME.

>> DO YA'LL NOT MEET SOMEWHERE ELSE RIGHT NOW?

>> WE'RE RENTING AN AREA AND PAYING A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF MONEY TO RENT A SMALL BACK IT'S PROBABLY THE ANNEX OF A LARGER CHURCH. WE HAVE BEEN THERE AND WE SAVED ENOUGH MONEY TO PUT DOWN A LARGE SUM OF CASH FOR THIS PARTICULAR PIECE OF PROPERTY. SO IT IS BOUGHT BUT WHERE WE'RE STAYING RIGHT NOW AS THEY KEEP INCREASEING THE RENT, WE REALIZE WE CAN PURCHASE OUR OWN PROPERTY WITH THE MONEY WE'RE PAYING AND SERVE THE COMMUNITY BETTER BY CONTRIBUTING TAXES, IF YOU WILL AND HOPEFULLY BRINGING IN OTHER FOLKS TO CONTRIBUTE IN THAT

AREA. >> THANK YOU, SIR.

>> THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >> SCOTT HAYNES IS NOT SPEAKING BUT IS AGAINST. IS IT LARRY STOKES? POSSIBLY? OKAY.

DID YOU WANT TO SPEAK? OKAY.

ALAN IS NEXT? HE'S NOT SPEAKING.

NEVER MIND. >> I'M LARRY STOKES AT 4042 BRONCO ROAD. I AFTER HEARING ROB SPEAK I DON'T KNOW IF I'VE LIVED THERE THE SAME AMOUNT OF TIME BUT I DON'T KNOW IF I GOT THERE BEFORE OR AFTER ROB.

I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT I THINK THERE IS ENOUGH CHURCHES CLOSE TO BRONCO ROAD. WE HAVE ONE IN EACH DIRECTION WITHIN WHAT? LESS A MILE? AND TWO MORE WITHIN TWO MILES SO THAT'S THE TOTAL OF FOUR CHURCHES THAT CLOSE. MY KIDS GREW UP THERE.

THEY WALKED DOWN TO THE CORNER EVERY MORNING DURING SCHOOL AND GOT ON THE BUS AND THERE IS OTHER KIDS TO DAY THAT DO THAT.

PUTTING A CHURCH THERE WITH A PARKING LOT EVEN THOUGH IT'S ONLY GOING TO BE THERE THREE DAYS A WEEK IT GIVES ACCESS FOR SOMEONE TO PULL IN THERE AND SIT, PEDOPHILES TO SIT THERE AND WAIT TO GRAB A KID, DRUGS TO BE TRANSPORTED OR DISTRIBUTED OR GUNS. WE DON'T NEED THAT IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. I SEE IT HAPPENING NOW THAT SELL

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I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS BUT I GOT A PRETTY GOOD IDEAL AND WE DON'T WANT THAT ON BRONCO. IT'S CLOSE ENOUGH TO THE HOUSE NOW. JUST LIKE THE LADY WAS HERE, SHE DON'T WANT THAT CHURCH RIGHT OUTSIDE OF HER WINDOW AND I DO KNOW THERE IS ANOTHER HOUSE ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THAT LOT.

WHO WOULD WANT TO LIVE THAT CLOSE TO A CHURCH BUT I DON'T THINK IT IS A GOOD IDEA TO HAVE AN EMPTY SPACE LIKE THAT AND HAVE TO HAVE A POLICE OFFICER PATROL IT BECAUSE THEY HAVE ENOUGH TO PATROL AND WE DON'T WANT THAT KIND OF STUFF ON OUR STREET. AND IT IS A PLACE FOR KIDS TO EVEN HIDE. GOING TO AND FROM THE SCHOOL BUS AND I HOPE THIS DOES NOT GO THROUGH AND WE HAVE NOTHING ELSE COME INTO THAT AREA. THAT'S NOT RESIDENTIAL.

SMITTIES MUFFLERS IS WHAT HE WAS TALKING ABOUT.

THAT WAS GRANDFATHERED IN AND WAS THERE BEFORE A LOT OF OUR TIMES. IT WAS THERE BEFORE I GOT THERE.

THERE ARE TWO HOUSES ON THAT LOT, AS WELL.

THEY DO CLOSE IT UP AT THE END OF THE DAY AND THEY LOCK THE GATES AND THEY ARE SOMEBODY THERE ALL THE TIME MONITORING THAT PLACE. IT WON'T BE LIKE A VACANT PARKING LOT, NOT BEING WATCHED. THANK YOU I THINK I'VE SAID ENOUGH AND I HOPE I'VE IMPACTED SOMEBODY.

>> THANK YOU, SIR. ALRIGHT.

ALAN IS AGAINST AND HE IS NOT SPEAKING.

YOU ARE? SO

SORRY. >> MAYBE I SHOULD HAVE JUST STEPED A SIDE. SO I OWN THE PROPERTY ON THE CORNER OF BRONCO ROAD AND LONG BAY.

THEIR PROPERTY IS RIGHT NEXT TO MINE.

I BOUGHT THE PROPERTY TWO AND A HALF YEARS AGO.

I MAINLY BOUGHT IT FOR MY 21-YEAR-OLD DAUGHTER SO THAT SHE COULD HAVE A PLACE THAT SHE COULD PUT DOWN ROOTS.

THIS PROPERTY HAS INCREDIBLE, INCREDIBLE THINGS.

WE WAKE UP IN THE MORNINGS AND WE SEE FOX IN OUR BACKYARDS.

TWO DAYS AGO, SHE SENT ME A PICTURE AND I WAS WORKING AWAY, AND SHE IS LIKE, DAD? LOOK WHAT KNOCKED ON MY BACKDOOR AND THERE IS A PICTURE AND SHE SENT ME A PICTURE OF A LITTLE TURTLE, A GOLFER TORTOISE. PROTECTED SPECIES.

WE HAVE I COULDN'T EVEN TELL YOU HOW MANY DIFFERENT SPECIE OF BIRD AND TREES AND JUST WONDERFUL WILDLIFE. A LARGE PART OF THAT, I BELIEVE, WOULD BE IMPACTED BY A BUILDING RIGHT NEXT DOOR BECAUSE ON MY PROPERTY, PROBABLY THE BACK HALF OF IT COMPARED TO WHERE THEY ARE GOING TO BUILD THE CHURCH IS JUST OPEN SPACE. WE GOT TREES, I DON'T MOW IT.

WE LET IT BE WILD. I CAN SEE THAT HAVING SOMETHING, ANY BUILDING THERE WOULD DEFINITELY IMPACT WHAT WE HAVE AS A QUALITY OF LIFE AND WHAT I INTENDED FOR HAVING FOR MY DAUGHTER AND I WOULD ASK THAT ALONG WITH ALL THE REST OF THE NEIGHBORS THAT YOU WOULD SERIOUSLY CONSIDER NOT APPROVING

THIS PROJECT. >> THANK YOU, SIR.

ALRIGHT. GAIL BOSTON SAYS SHE'S NOT SPEAKING BUT IS AGAINST. DO YOU WANT TO SPEAK? ARE YOU GOOD? OKAY.

GLORIA IS AGAINST AND WAIVING SPEAKING.

YOU WANT TO SPEAK? OKAY.

>> I LIVE AT 4126 BRONCO ROAD AND BEEN THERE 35 YEARS AND I RAISED TWO CHILDREN, AND MY GRAND GIRLS.

MY GRANDCHILDREN COME BECAUSE IT'S LIKE A BIG PARK.

I HAVE DEER THAT I FEED AND IF A FAMILY OF FOUR THAT COME EVERY MORNING. WE'RE A QUIET DEAD-END ROAD AND

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WE MIGHT NOT NO EACH OTHER'S NAME BUT WE KNOW OUR CARS, AND IF SOMETHING HAPPENS WE GET ON THE PHONE.

I CALL MS. GAIL, WHO IS THAT PERSON WALKING IN THE STREET? WE'RE TIGHT, OKAY? WE'VE ALL BEEN THERE FOREVER.

AND WHOEVER HAS PASSED THEIR KID HAVE BEEN THERE.

NOTHING HAS CHANGED IN THE 35 YEARS I'VE BEEN THERE.

THIS WOULD KILL THIS ROAD. WE HAVE KIDS THAT WALK BY OURSELVES TO GO AND CATCH THE BUS.

WE ALL WATCH. I DON'T KNOW THESE KIDS AND I WOULD NEVER GO UP TO THEM AND THEY GOT THERE.

THEY ARE COOL. THEY ARE COMING HOME AND THEY ARE GOOD. WE HAVE HAD SOME RIFF-RAFF THAT WE'VE TAKEN CARE OF AND THOSE WERE THE RENTERS AND NOW EVERYTHING IS PERFECT. QUIET, WE ALL GET ALONG, THERE IS NOT A PROBLEM. THIS IS A PROBLEM.

OKAY? YOU CAN'T HAVE THIS, I KNOW IT'S NO THE COMMERCIAL PROPERTY BUT SAY IT HAS COMMERCIAL PROPERTY AND YOU WANT TO BUILD A 10,000 SQUARE FOOT, WHERE? THERE IS HOUSES ALL-AROUND THERE AND THEY BUTT UP RIGHT THERE.

IT'S INSANE. IT'S INSANE.

ALL OF LONG BAY WE GOT PLENTY OF CHURCHES.

GO BUY SOME PROPERTY THERE. EVEN DOWN JENNINGS, IT'S ALL COMMERCIAL. GO DOWN THERE.

WE'RE LITTLE PONY ROAD AND IT'S ALWAYS BEEN THAT WAY.

I'M SORRY, I HAD TO COME AND SAY SOMETHING BECAUSE MY CHEST PAINS WERE GETTING TO ME. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU, MA'AM. >> YOU ARE NOT REALLY HAVING CHEST PAIN ARE YOU? LIKE DO WE NEED TO GET THE FIRE

CHIEF? >> MARGARET BODIER? OKAY. YEP.

YOU HAVE TO TELL ME WHICH ONE YOU ARE ON BEFORE NEXT.

STE STEPHEN?

>> ALRIGHT. RUN DOWN TO THE MIC LIKE THE PRICE IS RIGHT. STEVE AND I LIVE IN THE CAMERON OAKS NEIGHBORHOOD AND SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF THE S AC AND WE I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT THAT INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE LOOKED GOOD ON PAPER. WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC AT OUR MEETING TO PROVIDE INPUT.

I CAN'T, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S APPROPRIATE TO SAY IF IT WOULD SWAY THE VOTE OF ANOTHER. SAME OR ANOTHER WAY, BUT I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT THE INFORMATION WE HAVE IS JUST BASED OFF WHAT WAS PRESENTED BY THE APPLICANT AND IT LOOKED GOOD ON PAPER BUT, AS A PRIVATE CITIZEN, I KIND OF UNDERSTAND THEIR SENTIMENTS AND KIND OF, HOW DO I SAY THIS? I SOMEWHAT AGREE WITH WHAT THEY ARE SAYING, AND IF THE ROLES WERE REVERSED I THINK I WOULD PROBABLY FOLLOW SUIT WITH THEM.

ANY QUESTION REGARDING CACS? THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. CHRIS STOKES?

>> HI I'M CHRIS AND I LIVE AT 4042 BRONCO ROAD.

I MOVED THERE WHEN I WAS 7 YEARS OLD.

HAD MY EIGHTH BIRTHDAY THERE AND I'M 39 NOW AS OF OCTOBER 20TH.

I WALK DOWN THAT ROAD WHEN IT WAS DIRT ROAD.

IT WAS REALLY HOT AND SANDY. I'M SO GLAD THAT IT'S PAVED NOW BUT THEY TOOK SOME TREES DOWN ON THE LEFT-HAND SIDE AND THEY PUT FOUR SUBDIVISION LOOKING HOUSES THERE AND EVERYTHING ELSE LOOKS LIKE MIDDLEBERG AROUND IT, BUT I MS. SEEING THOSE TREES THERE.

THERE IS STILL A LITTLE PATCH OF TREES WHERE YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT AND THERE'S TWO FOX THAT'S COME OUT.

I SEE THEM IN THE MORNINGS AND AT NIGHT.

SEE DEER COMING IN OUR BACKYARD. PRETTY MUCH EVERYONE SAID EVERYTHING. I MS. THE GOOD OLD DAYS NOW THAT THE BIG SUBDIVISIONS ARE COMING AND IT'S STARTING TO LOOK LIKE ABILITY ORANGE PARK. A LOT MORE TRAFFIC.

LIKE IT'S NOT A CONVENIENCE STORE ANYMORE.

YOU STAND IN LINE FOR 30-MINUTE AND IT TAKE YOU TWO SECONDS TO GRAB SOMETHING. IT'S GROWING UP.

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IT'S NOT JUST A GARAGE DOWN THERE.

YOU DON'T SEE JUST A GARAGE WITH A LOT OF PAVEMENT BAUHOUSE UP FRONT. THE GARAGE IS IN THE BACK BUT IT'S NOT JUST A GARAGE. YOU ASK ANYBODY ABOUT SMITTIES MUFFLER SHOP AND EVERYONE GOES THERE.

THEY ARE LIKE FAMILY. I WAS THERE AT 8:00 LAST NIGHT DOING ARTWORK. THEY DON'T RUN ME OUT UNTIL TEN.

DUDE YOU GOT TO GET OUT OF HERE BUT I WAS WELDING AND GRINDING LIKE IT'S 8 I GOT TO GET OUT OF HERE.

THE NEIGHBORS GET MAD SOMETIMES PROBABLY BUT IT'S NOT, IS THAT

MY TIME? >> YOU HAVE A MINUTE LEFT.

KEEP GOING. >> I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT WAS

ABOUT. >> IT'S YOUR WARNING.

>> IT'S NICE JUST THE WAY IT IS. SHOULD KEEP IT THAT WAY.

SINCE I WAS 7 YEARS OLD. 33 YEARS.

KEEP IT THAT WAY. >> THANK YOU, SIR.

ANYONE ELSE WANT TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? ALRIGHT. CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND

BRING IT BACK TO THE BOARD. >> MADAM CHAIR I HAD EX PARTE COMMUNICATION WITH I THINK ALL OF THE NEIGHBORS WHO WERE NOTI NOTIFIED.

AND THEN I ALSO WANTED TO, IF I MAY, I WANT TO SAY IT'S UNFORTUNATE THAT WE GOT HERE. BECAUSE IT'S UNFORTUNATE THAT THE CHURCH WAS LED TO BELIEVE THAT THIS WAS GOING TO PASS AND, I CAN'T SPEAK ON BEHALF, I CAN TELL YOU THAT EMPLOYEE IS NOT AN EMPLOYEE OF THE COUNTY ANYMORE AND SO I CAN'T SPEAK TO THE SITUATION THAT HAPPENED. I CAN SAY THAT I DO KNOW THAT STAFF ENCOURAGED THE APPLICANT TO MEET WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, I DON'T THINK THAT HAPPENED. AND THAT'S UNFORTUNATE BECAUSE WE LIKE FOR SOMETIMES RESOLUTION CAN COME NOT HERE AT THE BOARD MEETING. I STRUGGLE TO UNDERSTAND THE COMPATIBILITY OF THIS PARCEL. ONE, IT'S SMALL.

SO I CAN'T IMAGINE THAT YOU COULD PUT A 10,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING WITH PARKING FOR A CHURCH THAT COULD MEET CODE, AND HAVE ROOM. I AM CONCERNED TOO ABOUT THE GOPHER TORTOISE AT THE NEXT DOOR NEIGHBORS HOUSE.

THEY WOULD HAVE GOPHER TORTOISE WHICH ARE EXTREMELY EXPENSIVE TO RELOCATE THEM, AS WELL AND THAT WOULD FALL ON THE OWNERS NOW.

THE CHURCH. I THINK IT'S THE APPROPRIATE PLACE FOR MAYBE A PARSON AGE BUT I THINK IT IS A RESIDENTIAL AREA. IF THIS WAS THE PARCEL THAT FACED LONG BAY THAT WOULD BE A DIFFERENT CONVERSATION I THINK BECAUSE THERE ARE OTHER CHURCHES THAT FACE LONG BAY SO IT IS A MORE DIFFICULT THING. I KNOW THAT A COUPLE OF PEOPLE SAID THEY DON'T WANT ANYTHING TO BE THERE AND I DON'T THINK WE CAN DO THAT. LEGALLY WE CAN'T PREVENT IF SOMEBODY BUYS IT AND PUT AS HOUSE THERE THEY DON'T EVEN HAVE TO COME TO US, RIGHT? BUT IN THE CURRENT SITUATION, I FALL TO THE IN LINE WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND WHAT THE RESIDENTS HAVE ASKED AND RECOMMEND DENIAL.

>> I'LL SECOND. >> I MOVE TO DENY.

>> I'LL SECOND. >> I HAVE COMMENTS TOO.

YEAH, THIS IS, YOU KNOW I'M COMING UP IN NOVEMBER WILL BE MY SECOND YEAR AND THIS IS BY FAR ONE OF THE MOST UNFORTUNATE.

I DON'T KNOW HOW WE GOT TO THIS POINT.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE MAP THERE IS A HUGE COMPATIBILITY ISSUE YOU WERE TO DROP A NEW ZONING LIKE A LEGO CHIP IN RURAL RESIDENTIAL AND FOR THE, I FEEL THE CHURCH, I REALLY FEEL FOR THE CHURCH. I THINK YOU WERE GIVEN VERY, VERY BAD INFORMATION AND FOR THE RECORD TOO FOR ANYONE THAT'S WATCHING THE MEETING OR ANYONE LOOKING TO BUY PROPERTY, YOU KNOW, REZONING THESE ARE QUASI-JUDICIAL HEARINGS AND WE MAKE DECISIONS BASED ON THE INFORMATION PRESENTED TO US AND THAT CHANGES AT TIMES. WE HAVE PEOPLE CONTINUE ITEMS AND THE DEVELOPER OR THE HOMEOWNER GOES BACK WITH STAFF AND THEY MAKE ADJUSTMENTS. I SAY THAT TO SAY THERE HAS NEVER AND I'LL SAY THIS AS LOUD AS I CAN SO PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THERE IS NEVER A GUARANTEE OF A REZONING EVER.

THERE IS A DUE PROCESS THAT HAS TO HAPPEN FOR THIS AND THINGS CAN CHANGE. SO LIKE I SAID I FEEL TERRIBLE

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>> I JUST HAVE ONE QUICK COMMENT.

IT WAS UNFORTUNATE AT PNS THAT THEY COMPARED IT TO ORANGE BUT DAY A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY NEAR HERITAGE HILL WAS SLIGHTLY LARGER BUILDING AND SLIGHTLY SMALLER LOT.

YOU KNOW? THEY HAVE A SLIGHTLY LARGER BUILDING AND SMALLER LOT SO I DON'T SEE HOW YOU CAN PUT A 10,000 FOOT BUILDING WITH PARKING, WITH POND AND YOU KNOW STORM WATER AND THINGS AS SUCH ON SUCH A SMALL LOT.

SO COMPATIBILITY JUST LOOK AT IT AND THIS DOESN'T WORK FOR ME SO I'M GOING TO HAVE TO NOT GO WITH AN APPROVAL ON THIS ISSUE.

LIKE WAS ALREADY STATED. IT'S UNFORTUNATE THAT THE PURCHASE HAS BEEN MADE WITH THE ASSUMPTION THAT THIS WAS AGO.

AS COMMISSIONER SAID THERE IS NEVER A GUARANTEE ON THAT.

>> YOU ARE NOT ABLE TO SPEAK AGAIN, I'M SORRY.

THE PUBLIC HEARING

>> THANK YOU SIR. I HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND TO

DENY. >> THEY'VE A COMMENT.

SO THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR. THIS ONE FIRST I MUST DISCLOSE I HAD EX PARTE COMMUNICATIONS WITH ROB MCKISSICK AND EMILY MCKISSICK. THANKS FOR CALLING.

SO THIS ONE I UNDERSTAND, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF.

SO I KNOW THAT THE STAFF MEMBER OF THE CHURCH SPOKE TO IS NO LONGER WITH US. WAS THIS REVISITED AFTER SHE LEFT? AND IS IT STILL? BECAUSE THEIR CONVERSATION WITH STAFF IS WHAT LED THEM TO PURCHASE THE PARCEL. DID STAFF REVISIT THE APPLICATION AND A FIRM THE PREVIOUS RECOMMENDATION?

>> I MET WITH THEM AFTER THEY HAD AND I BELIEVE THEY HAD ALREADY PURCHASED THE PROPERTY AT THAT TIME.

SO NONE OF US PROMISED ANYTHING BECAUSE YOU ALL ARE THE VOTE SO WE CAN GIVE YOU OUR VIEW AS PLANNERS AS TO WHETHER WE FEEL IT'S COMPATIBLE BUT WE NEVER GIVE A GUARANTEE BECAUSE WE'RE

NOT THE FINAL SAY. >> RIGHT.

OKAY SO LET ME REPHRASE. MY QUESTION WAS NOT NECESSARILY A GUARANTEE TO THEM AS MUCH AS WHETHER STAFF REVIEWED THE APPLICATION AFTER THEY HAD ALREADY SPOKEN TO THE STAFF MEMBER THAT'S NO LONGER WITH US SO WAS IT RECOMMENDED TO THEM AT THAT TIME THAT THIS WAS COME PAT SNBL COMPATIBLE?

POST PEAR PURCHASE? >> THAT THIS WOULD BE AN OPTION IF YOU WANTED TO HAVE A CHURCH AT THIS LOCATION THIS WAS THE PATH TO GET THERE YOU WOULD NEED TO REZONE THE PROPERTY TO THIS USE WHICH WE, OBVIOUSLY HAD TO CREATE WHICH WE ALREADY HAD PARCELS THAT WE HAVE INSTITUTIONAL SO I DON'T RECALL COMMENTING ON COMPATIBILITY. BUT THIS IS A MIXED USE AREA SO IT'S THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY, YOU HAVE THESE PUBLIC USES THAT ARE MIXED IN. YOU HAVE CHURCHES AND SCHOOLS.

DAY CARES AND ALL THAT MIXED IN, WITHIN RESIDENTIAL AREAS SO THERE IS A LEVEL OF COMPATIBILITY BECAUSE IT'S PART OF THE COMMUNITY AND NOW THERE ARE OTHER MEASURES THAT WOULD BE DURING THE SITE PLAN REVIEW TIME TAKEN TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PROPERTY IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL OR ADJACENT WHATEVER. THAT WOULD BE BUFFERING AND

LIGHTING. >> THAT IS NOT THE JUNCTURE

WE'RE AT? >> CORRECT.

WE'RE LOOKING AT THE LAND-USE >> THEN WHEN WE TALK ABOUT COMPATIBILITY IT IS A BROADER CONVERSATION AND NOT NECESSARILY THE PARCELS IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO THE PARCEL, SUBJECT PARCEL? IT'S BROADER IS YOUR POINT? BECAUSE WHAT I'M TRYING TO RECONCILE IS HOW THERE CAN BE A STAFF RECOMMENDATION TO MOVE FORWARD AND P N'S SAYS NO AND THEN STAFF.

THANKS STEPHEN FOR YOUR QUALIFYING COMMENTS, BUT SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SENSE OF HOW ALL OF THOSE PIECES FIT.

SO FOR ME, THIS ONE IS REALLY CHALLENGING BECAUSE I THINK OF THE CONCERNS THAT WERE RAISED HERE TONIGHT AND IT REMINDS ME

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SO THEN FOR ME, I THINK THE REAL QUESTION THAT I HAVE FROM DID STAFF OR IS IT STAFF'S PERSPECTIVE THAT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE FOUR CHURCHES, I'M THINKING OF CALVARY, ASSEMBLY, BLACK POND BAPTIST OUT THERE AND THOSE ARE ON LONG BAY AND OLD JENNINGS, WHETHER WE HAVE A LEGITIMATE SECURITY CONCERN BECAUSE AND I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF THAT'S PART OF YOUR EVALUATION SO WE'RE FOLD THAT INTO OUR ANALYSIS BASE ON WHAT THEY ARE SAYING AND NOT NECESSARILY WHAT STAFF WOULD HAVE HAD TO CONSIDER. OKAY.

YEAH THIS ONE IS HARD FOR ME BECAUSE I HEAR WHAT EVERYONE IS SAYING, AND I KNOW HOW I CAST MY VOTE THE LAST TIME WE HAD A CONVERSATION VERY SIMILAR AND SO FOR ME TO BE CONSISTENT WITH WHAT I'VE DONE IN THE PAST ON THIS BOARD, I CAN'T VOTE WITH WHAT SOUNDS LIKE THE MAJORITY TONIGHT.

>> IF I MAY THE DIFFERENCE I THINK BETWEEN FRASIER ROAD AND THIS ONE IS IT DOESN'T FRONT LONG BAY.

AS I SAID IN MY COMMENTS IF YOU LISTENED TO MY COMMENTS IF IT IT WAS PARCEL THAT FRONTED LONG BAY AND BRONCO IT'S A DIFFERENT CONVERSATION. FOR ME BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE THAT FRASIER ROAD WAS AND ALSO, FRASIER WAS NOT ZONED REST DENTLE AT ALL. FRASIER WAS ZONED COMMERCIAL AND IN FACT, THE RESIDENTIAL HOMES BUILT ON FRASIER ARE BUILT ON COMMERCIAL PROPERTY SO VERY DIFFERENT.

IT'S NOT APPLES-TO-APPLES. >> I APPRECIATE YOUR PERSPECTIVE. I REALLY DO.

I'M SITTING RIGHT HERE. I HAVE BEEN HEARING YOUR POINTS.

I DON'T DISAGREE THAT YOUR ANALYSIS IS DIFFERENT, I'M SAYING THAT FOR ME AS I HEAR THE CONCERNS RAISED THOSE WERE THE SAME THAT I HEARD THE LAST TIME, AND IF I'M GOING TO BE CONSISTENT WITH WHAT PERSUADED ME THEN BECAUSE IT IS ME CASTING THAT VOTE, THEN I WOULD WANT TO BE CONSISTENT IN THE DECISION THAT I MAKE AND I RESPECT YOUR POINT OF VIEW AND I'M GOING TO

MAINTAIN MY POSITION. >> FAIR ENOUGH

>> I HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND TO DENY.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE? ANY OPPOSED?

>> AYE. THAT'S ME.

4-1. >> PASSES 4-1.

>> ALRIGHT. IT WAS DENIED.

>> CORRECT. >> DENIAL PASSED 4-1.

[18. Final Public Hearing to consider adoption of COMP 26-0024 (District 4, Comm. Condon) (D. Selig)This application is a Small-Scale Comprehensive Plan Amendment to the 2045 Future Land Use Map (FLUM). The application would change a single parcel of land from Branan Field Rural Suburbs (BF-RS) to Branan Field Master Planned Community (BF-MPC).]

>> OKAY. NUMBER 18.

FINAL PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER ADOPTION OF COMP 26-0024 ALSO IN COMMISSIONER CONDON'S DISTRICT. YOU HAVE ALL THESE IN YOUR

DISTRICT. >> YEAH.

>> YOU ARE GOOD TO GO WHEN YOU ARE READY?

NO PROBLEM. >> OKAY.

SO THIS ITEM IS A SMALL SCALE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT.

26-0024 AND THE APPLY CAN'T IS TRAVIS SIMPSON WITH NEW CREATIONS DEVELOPMENT ON THE WEST SIDE BETWEEN OLD JENNINGS TO THE NORTH AND CLARRY WAY TO THE SOUTH IN THE MIDDLEBURGH CLAY HILLS PLANNING DISTRICT IN DISTRICT FOUR THERE IS ONE PARCEL IN THIS APPLICATION. THE APPLICATION WOULD CHANGE IT FROM FOR A BRANDON FIELD RURAL SUBURBS TO MASTER PLAN COMMUNITY. SIGNS WERE POSTED AND MAIL OUTS WENT TO ALL THE PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 350 FEET OF THE SUBJECT PARCEL. YOU CAN SEE ON THE MAP ON THE

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THESE ARE THE FUTURE LAND-USE MAP, SO ON THE LEFT WE'RE HAVE THE EXISTING LAND-USE SORT OF A TAN COLOR FOR THE RURAL SUBURBS AND ON THE RIGHT IS THE PROPOSED WHICH IS THE MASTER PLAN COMMUNITY IN THE DARK BROWN. THERE IS A SIMILAR AREA OF MASTER PLAN COMMUNITY ON OLD JENNINGS AT THE OTHER NORTH END

OF ALLEY MURRAY. >> QUICK QUESTION.

WHAT'S B FAC STAND FOR? >> THAT'S BRANDON FIELD ACTIVITY CENTER. WHICH IS OUR MIXED USE COMMERCIAL AND HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT.

DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET, YEAH.

THE MEDIUM BROWN IN THERE IS URBAN FRINGE WHICH IS ALSO RESIDENTIAL. NOT NEARLY AS HIGH A DENSITY.

BUT HIGHER THAN THE RURAL SUBURBS.

THE ZONING IS ALL PUD. THE OAK LIEFF CABRASER BRANDON RIDGE CAC VOTED 4-1 TO REMEND APPROVAL AND HAD A CONDITION THE SOUTH ENTRANCE TO AZALEA RIDGE THE ADJACENT SUBDIVISION BE USED ONLY FOR EMERGENCY SERVICES. ON OCTOBER 6TH THE PLANNING COMMISSION VOTED 7-0 TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL AND STAFF IS LOOKED AT THE CRITERIA AND RECOMMENDS APPROVAL.

THE APPLICANT IS HERE AND HAS A COUPLE OF SLIDES BUT I'M GOING TO BORROW HIS SLIDE FOR JUST A MOMENT AND EXPLAIN THAT SOUTH ENTRANCE FOR ANYONE WHO MIGHT HAVE HAD A QUESTION ABOUT IT.

THIS IS THE CONCEPTUAL SITE PLAN AND ALLEY MURRAY IS THE GRAY ROAD ON THE RIGHT AND THE SOUTH ENTRANCE THAT'S IN QUESTION.

ALLEY MURRAY IS THIS ROAD ON THE RIGHT AND PROPOSED MAIN ENTRANCE THE SOUTHERN ENTRANCE THAT'S MENTIONED IS DOWN HERE IN THIS CORNER AND THE REASON FOR IT IS THAT THE CODE REQUIRES, DEVELOPMENTS TO HAVE A CONNECTION TO ADD JOINING PROPERTIES AND OTHER DEVELOPMENTS THE WHOLE POINT BEING TO HAVE AN IN TEAR CONNECTED ROADWAY SYSTEM.

IT IS A SAFETY FEATURE. AND SO THE AZALEA RIDGE HAS, IN FACT, I CAN SHOW YOU ON THE OTHER SLIDE.

WHEN THEIR SUBDIVISION WAS CREATED, THERE IS RIGHT HERE AN AREA THAT WAS PLATTED AS A ROAD CONNECTION SO THAT'S THEM MEETING THE SAME REQUIREMENTS. IT WAS NOT PAVED UP TO THE PROPERTY LINE AS IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN.

IT'S GRASS NOW. BUT THAT IS WHY THAT PARTICULAR LOCATION BECAUSE THERE IS AN IN TENDED CONNECTION POTENTIAL THERE. BUT IT WOULD BE, SORRY.

IT WOULD BE AN ACCESS IF CREATED THAT COULD BE GATED OFF WITH A KNOCKS BOX THAT ONLY THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WOULD HAVE ACCESS TO.

AND THAT WAS ALL I HAD. >> MADAM CHAIR I HAVE A QUESTION. SO IS THAT BASED ON WHEN I WENT TO DRIVE IT, THAT'S IN AZALEA, GATED COMMUNITY? WITH PRIVATE ROAD THERE'S NOT PART OF THE S D SO HOW CAN THEY USE THAT'S A ROAD ENTRANCE WHEN THEY DON'T TONE PROPERTY?

>> THEY WOULDN'T BE ENTITLED TO USE IT AS AN OPEN ACCESS.

IT WOULD NEED TO BE GATED, FROM AZALEA RIDGES PERSPECTIVE, BECAUSE AS YOU SAID, THAT'S THEIR RESIDENTS ARE PAYING FOR THEIR ROAD, SO WE'RE HAVE A LOT OF SUBDIVISIONS THAT IS THE

CASE. >> THE REST OF AZALEA RIDGE IS NOT. THEY ARE COUNTY MAINTAINED ROADS. FREEDOM THAT IS PRIVATE.

AND THAT'S A DISTINCTION THAT GOES BACK, IT GOES BACK 20 YEAR, SO I GUESS I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW THAT CAN BE USED, HOW YOU CAN, HOW YOU IF YOU OWN A PROPERTY TO DEVELOP HOW YOU CAN SAY YOUR ACCESS CAN BE FROM SOMEONE ELSE'S PRIVATE PROPERTY.

IT'S NOT A COUNTY ROAD. SO THAT I DON'T SEE HOW THAT

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PROPERTY. >> WE HAVE SITUATIONS LIKE THAT THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY BECAUSE NOW WE HAVE AN AWFUL LOT, WHEN THE CODE WAS WRITTEN THERE WEREN'T MS B US.

THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN. EVERYTHING WAS COUNTY ROAD SO THE REQUIREMENT TO CONNECT WAS APPLES-TO-APPLES KIND OF SCENARIO. NOW WHEN WE HAVE SEPARATE TAXING DISTRICTS AND FUNDING THEIR OWN ROADS, IT GETS A LITTLE MORE COMPLICATED AND THAT'S WHY WE HAVE SO MANY SUBDIVISIONS WITH GATES BETWEEN ONE AND THE NEXT. THEY ARE PROVIDING THE ACCESS TO EMERGENCIES BECAUSE SO MANY OF THOSE SUBDIVISIONS ESPECIALLY GATED BUT EVEN IF THEY ARE NOT AND OLD ONLY HAVE ONE ENTRANCE AND EXIT AND THAT'S COMMON WE'RE STILL AS STAFF PUSHING FOR THE CONNECTIVITIES BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT TO LIVE IN A SUBDIVISION AND THERE IS AN EVENT, A FIRE OR SOMETHING OR HEAVEN FOR BID SOMETHING WORSE THAT HAPPENS IN THAT CHOKE-HOLD POINT OF THE ENTRANCE AND YOU CAN'T GET AUDITOR FIRE DEPARTMENT CAN'T

GET TO YOU OR THE BALANCE. >> I GET ALL OF THAT BUT FREEDOM AND AZALEA IS A GATED COMMUNITY WITH ONE WAY IN AND ONE WAY OUT.

I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN APPROVED TO DAY.

BASED ON WHAT OUR, WHAT WE CURRENTLY ARE APPROVING AS CODE.

BUT NONETHELESS, THEY EXIST SO I DON'T UNDERSTAND IS HOW IF SO PROVIDED THIS GOT THROUGH BECAUSE IN LIGHT OF THIS PREVIOUS CONVERSATION, IN LIGHT THAT THIS GOT APPROVED TO DAY AS A SMALL SCALE LAND-USE AMENDMENT, AND THEN GETS APPROVEED FOR ZONING CHANGE TO BE A SUBDIVISION AND THEN GOES TO YOU ALL AT DRC, I MEAN MY QUESTION IS FOR CHIEF, HOW DOES THAT QUALIFY AS AN EMERGENCY EXIT ACCESS? AND THEREFORE, LIKE I DON'T SEE IT WORKING.

AND I DON'T SEE IT LOGICALLY BEING SAFE.

LIKE I GET WHAT YOU ARE SAYING THAT YOU ARE TRYING TO APPLY THE CODE WRITTEN IN THE 90S AND WE'RE UPDATING THE CODE.

IT ALSO NEEDS TO BE SAFE FOR ALL THE RESIDENTS.

>> YES. >> FIRE CHIEF.

I WILL AGREE IT'S PROBLEMATIC. IT JUST IS.

I THINK THE BETTER ANSWER WOULD HAVE BEEN TO ENSURE EFFECTIVE CONNECTIVITY BETWEEN IT, IT IS A LITTLE BIT OF AN INACCURATE OF SORTS BECAUSE IT WAS APPROVED PRIOR TO THAT.

IT MAKES THE ARGUMENT FOR THAT TO BE AN EFFECTIVE EMERGENCY

ACCESS VERY DIFFICULT. >> THANK YOU CHIEF.

>> THE OTHER QUESTION I GUESS IS S IS, WELL RICHARD I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK.

ERIK IS NOT HERE. BUT ALLEY MURRAY IS A DIRT ROAD.

IT'S A COUNTY MAINTAINED DIRT ROAD.

THAT A ROAD GRADER GOES TO, CORRECT?

>> RICHARD SMITH COUNTY ENGINEER.

A REGULARLY GRADED ONCE EVERY THREE WEEKS DIRT ROAD.

>> AND ON ONE SIDE IT'S OLD JENNINGS AND ONE SIDE BLANDING

BOULEVARD, CORRECT? >> THE NORTH SEND OLD JENNINGS AND IT THE'S IN AT THE SOUTH END TO GEORGE CLARRY WHICH IS A FRONTAGE ROAD THAT BEHIND THE RACETRACK BUILDING THAT CONNECTS TO BLANDING BUT THERE IS A STOP SIGN AT ALLEY MURRAY TECHNICALLY

ENDS AT CLARRY. >> IF THE SUBDIVISION WENT IN WOULD THEY BE REQUIRED TO PAVE ALLEY MURRAY?

>> THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE HAS THEM PAVING IT.

>> THE WHOLE THING? >> WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT IT THEY JUST NEED PAVED ACCESS TO THEIR PROPERTY AND THE PAVED ACCESS THAT WE'VE LOOKED AT IN MY COMMENTS WERE FROM THEIR SOUTHERN PROPERTY LINE FULL FRONTAGE OF THE DEVELOPMENT TO OLD JENNINGS AND THEN THEY WOULD BE REQUIRED TO DO IMPROVEMENTS TO OLD JENNINGS TO PROVIDE A LEFT TURN LANE.

I FREQUENTLY GET COMPLAINTS ABOUT WASH BOARDING AND PEOPLE

CUTTING THROUGH. >> WE KNOW IT'S GOING TO GET

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BUSIER I SHOULD SAY. >> I KNOW YOU DON'T SPEAK FOR ERIK BUT AT ONE POINT PUBLIC WORKS WAS THEN UNDER YOU AND TAKING ROAD GRADER DOWN THERE IS A SAFETY CONCERN.

>> IT'S NOT IDEAL. IF IT WERE A, THERE IS SOME OWNERSHIP ISSUE ON THE ROAD IT WOULD DEFINITELY RANK AS A HIGHER PRIORITY DIRT ROAD OUT THERE AND IN SIX YEARS AND A MONTH I'VE NEVER GOTTEN A CALL FROM A RESIDENT ON A LEMUR RAY

ROAD. >> NOT FROM A RESIDENT ON A LEMURLY BUT ONE REQUEST FOR SOMEONE THAT USES IT TO COMMUTE.

>> EXACTLY. >> BUT I DO GET COMPLAINTS ABOUT THE CONDITION WHEN PEOPLE ARE CUTTING THROUGH IT.

>> IT IS A WELL USED ROAD. STRATEGICALLY, WE ACTUALLY DISCUSSED THAT'S AN ADDING IT TO THE MOBILITY FEE LIST BECAUSE IT'S THAT USED. IT WOULD BE THAT HIGH OF A CAPACITY ROAD IF IT WERE IMPROVED FOR OBVIOUS REASONS IT CONNECT AS PRETTY BIG ROAD WITH 10,000 CARS A DAY DOWN TO BLANDING BOULEVARD WITH 55 TO 65,000 CARS A DAY IN THAT

LOCATION. >> THANK YOU.

>> THAT'S ALL MY QUESTIONS MADAM CHAIR.

>> ANYONE ELSE? IS THE APPLICANT HERE AND WANT TO SPEAK?

>> GOOD EVENING. TRAVIS SIMPSON NEW CREATIONS DEVELOPMENT. AS A RESIDENT OF CLAY COUNTY MYSELF, YOU KNOW, I DEFINITELY BELIEVE IN REASONABLE AND SMART GROWTH. WE FEEL AND HOPE TO CONVEY THAT THIS PROJECT YOU KNOW FITS BOTH OF THE REQUIREMENTS.

REASONABLE IF WE CAN GO TO THE LAND-USE MAP THERE? START THERE. OKAY.

SO AND YOU KNOW B F RS IS WHERE WE ARE AT.

DIRECTLY TO THE WEST AND THE SOUTH WE HAVE SUBDIVISION WHICH IS PRIMARILY 50 AND 60 FOOT LOTS CONDENSED LOTS THERE.

DIRECTLY TO THE EAST, THAT'S ALREADY POINTED OUT.

PRIMARILY IS COMMERCIAL. OFFICE.

YOU KNOW HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL LIKE MULTI-FAMILY AND UP ON THE NORTH WE DO HAVE SOME ONES LIKE WHAT WE'RE APPLYING FOR TODAY AND EVEN ONE OF THOSE WAS RECENTLY CHANGED MAYBE A YEAR AGO FROM RURAL RESIDENTIAL WHICH IS TWO NOTCHES UP THE LADDER IN DENSITY AND WE'RE ASKING WHAT YOU WOULD CALL ONE NOTCH UP THE LADDER TO B F N PC.

WE FEAR IT IS A TRANSITION POINT TO THAT SWITCH AND YOU KNOW, REASONABLY YOU KNOW I GUESS GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE FOR ME? RIGHT. SO THE OTHER PART OF THIS IS THAT, YOU KNOW WE'RE NOT, YOU KNOW AT THIS POINT IN TIME NECESSARILY MARX MAXING ALL THE PAR SET.

76 LOT AND THEY ARE 60 AND 80 FOOT LOTS.

I WILL SAY TO THE JUST TO CLEAR UP ANY CONFUSION AS A FAR AS CONNECTIVITY ISSUE. WE DID NOT ASK FOR THAT CONNECTIVITY, WE'RE FINE WITH NOT HAVING IT SO EITHER WAY.

COUNTY WANTED FOR IT EMERGENCY SERVICES WHICH I COMPLETELY

UNDERSTAND. >> AND IF YOU CAN GO TO ACTUALLY THAT OTHER SLIDE THAT SHOWS THAT.

YEAH. SO I DID THESE CIRCLES HERE AND MESSED UP ON ONE OF THEM SO THE MIDDLE CIRCLE IS WHERE YOU TURN, THE ROAD THAT TURNS INTO AZALEA RIDGE AND NOT ACTUALLY WHERE THE GATE IS. IT'S FURTHER.

THERE IS THAT. YOU GO FROM AZALEA RIDGE.

NOT 55 PLUS, COMMUNITY AND THAT'S HOW YOU GET INTO FREEDOM OF AZALEA RIDGE WHICH IS 55 PLUS, COMMUNITY.

THE TOP CIRCUMSTANCES LANTANA LAKES ALSO A DIFFERENT NEIGHBORHOOD. THOSE ARE ALSO HOA OWNED ROAD, SO THEY HAVE A GATE AND A LOCK RIGHT THERE.

THAT WOULD BE THE SAME GATE AND LOCK THAT DOTTY AND STAFF IS PROPOSING BETWEEN FREEDOM OF AZALEA RIDGE AND OUR PARCEL.

YOU HAVE COUNTY ROAD GOING TO LANTANA LAKES HOA OWNED AND THESE SUBDIVISIONS ARE, I DON'T KNOW.

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>> CAN YOU CLARIFY THAT. I DON'T THINK, I KNOW WHERE THAT GATE IS THAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT AND THAT'S, WHERE THE ROAD FROM AZALEA RIDGE COMES THIS WAY BUT FREEDOMS GATE IS OVER HERE.

>> I'M POINT TAUGHT SIMILARITIES SO IF YOU GO TO THE LEFT TO THE TOP, THAT IS A GATE THAT'S LOCKED THAT GOES INTO A TOTALLY DIFFERENT NEIGHBORHOOD AND THAT NEIGHBORHOOD TO THE NORTH RIGHT THERE IS HOA OWNED ROADS. NOT COUNTY OWNED ROAD, SO THEY ARE PRIVATELY OWNED THAT GO INTO A COUNTY OWNED ROAD THAT HAS A GATE AND LOCK FOR EMERGENCY SERVICES ONLY.

THE SAME EXACT SCENARIO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WITH FREEDOM

AZALEA RIDGE. >> I WASN'T ON THE BOARD WHEN

THAT WAS APPROVED. >> SURE.

NO PROBLEM. PERSONALLY I COULD CARE LESS.

HOWEVER YA'LL WANT TO DO THAT WHETHER WE HAVE THAT ACCESS OR

NOT. >> I WANT SAFETY FOR THE RESIDENTS. MAKE THAT VERY CLEAR.

I'M ONLY ASKING THE QUESTION BECAUSE I CARE ABOUT SAFETY.

>> I AGREE, AND IF THAT'S THE BEST SAFETY ROUTE TO GO THEN WE'RE FINE WITH THAT TOO. I WILL SAY, JUST DUE TO THE AMOUNT OF PROPOSED LOTS WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE A SECOND ENTRANCE PER SE BUT EITHER WAY LIKE I SAID, WE'RE FINE.

I DO WANT TO CLEAR UP TOO BECAUSE I THINK YOU'LL PROBABLY HEAR FROM SOME OF THE RESIDENTS WE ARE NOT GOING TO USE THEIR ROAD AT ALL. THERE HAS BEEN CONFUSION THERE.

I'VE HEARD IT MENTIONED THAT WE MIGHT BRING CONSTRUCTION TRUCKS THROUGH AND LEGALLY WE CAN'T DRIVE ON THEIR ROAD AND I'M NOT GOING TO GET CAUGHT UP IN A LAWSUIT TO TRY TO BACKDOOR AN ENTRANCE. WE DID EXPLORE ALL POSSIBILITIES WITH ACCESS TO THE DEVELOPMENT AND WE DID EXPLORE GOING THROUGH THERE AND WE MADE A PROPOSAL TO THEIR HOA BOARD AND THEY ULTIMATELY REJECTED IT WHICH IS FINE.

YOU KNOW SO REALLY OUR MAIN AND ONLY OPTION SO THIS GETS INTO THE, WHY THIS WOULD BE SMART. YOU KNOW PAVING ALLEY MARIE ROAD AND DOING THIS PROJECT NOW, I KNOW RICHARD MENTIONED IT BEING ON THE FEE LIST AND THEY LOOKED AT PAVING IT IN THE PAST.

OUR PARCEL WAS ESSENTIALLY HALF OF ALLEY MURRAY ROAD.

PRETTY MUCH. THAT WOULD BE ON US.

WE WOULD BE FOOTING THE BILL AND PAYING FOR THAT.

YOU KNOW AND GOING THROUGH ALL THE PROCESS THAT REQUIRES AS APPOSED TO THE COUNTY. SO WE WOULD PAY TO PAVE AND ALSO, TAKE AWAY THE COST AT LEAST IN THAT PORTION OF HAVING TO GRADE THAT ROAD. TO THAT POINT, I PERSONALLY WENT AND SPOKE TO EVERY SINGLE RESIDENT ON A LEMUR RAY ROAD GOING NORTH TO OLD JENNINGS. AT LEAST ONE PERSON IN EACH HOUSEHOLD. I WAS FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO SPEAK WITH ALL OF THEM. I HAD PROBABLY ABOUT A THIRD, A THIRD, A THIRD RESPONSE. SO I HAD THE FIRST PERSON, I WAS KIND OF HOPEFUL I WAS LIKE, OKAY.

THE FIRST GENTLEMEN HE MAYBE HERE TONIGHT.

HE ACTUALLY WAS ALL FOR IT AND YOU KNOW AND SO I'M LIKE OKAY.

AS WE WENT I FOUND THAT I HAD ABOUT A THIRD THAT WERE FOR PAVING THE ROAD AND A THIRD THAT WERE ABSOLUTELY NOT.

WE DON'T WANT THAT AND A THIRD THAT WERE KIND OF INDIFFERENT I GUESS. THEY CAN KIND OF GO EITHER WAY.

SOME OF THE REASONS I HEARD FOR PAVING THE ROAD THEY DIDN'T WANT DUST AND MUD GETTING ON THEIR CARS AND ANOTHER ONE WAS THEY LIKE THE IDEA OF YOU KNOW INCREASED PROPERTY VALUES BEING ON A PAVED ROAD VERSES A DIRT ROAD.

ONE OF THE THINGS I HEARD THAT WAS NEGATIVE THAT WOULD BE A POSITIVE FOR PAVING THE ROAD I HEARD THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE GOING UP AND DOWN THE ROAD YOU KNOW, DRAG RACE AND FISHTAIL.

WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT. MOST PEOPLE DO THAT ON A DIRT ROAD THAT DOESN'T HAVE A LOT OF TRAFFIC, RIGHT? BECAUSE THEY CAN DO IT AND DON'T HAVE RISK OF GETTING IN A CRASH.

NOT MANY PEOPLE ARE WATCHING IF YOU WERE TO PAVE THIS ROAD A LOT OF THAT WOULD GO AWAY. YES YOU WOULD INCREASE TRAFFIC FOR SURE ESPECIALLY WITH THE HOMES THEY ARE PUTTING IN BUT THAT INCREASES YOUR EYE BALLS AND I THINK WOULD DETER PEOPLE FROM BEING CRAZY. YOU DEFINITELY GET MORE CALLS AND I THINK, DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? I THINK THAT WOULD PUT AN END TO A LOT OF THAT KIND OF ACTIVITY.

MY OPINION. ALSO, YOU KNOW WITH THE ADJACENT PROPERTY AND WANTING TO, I DON'T PRESUME TO KNOW THE OWNERS PLANS FOR THAT BUT I WOULD ASSUME PROBABLY OFFICE, COMMERCIAL AT SOME POINT. I DON'T THINK IT WOULD HURT TO

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SO JUST TO BE FAIR TO THEM AND THEIR VIEWPOINT.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME? I THINK I'VE SAID MOST OF IT?

ONE LONG BREATH THERE. >> I THINK WE'RE GOOD.

>> OKAY. THANK YOU.

>> I'M GOING TO OPEN PUBLIC COMMENT.

HARRIET ARE YOU SPEAKING OR NOT? YES. COME ON UP.

>> THIS COME TO US WHEN WE DIDN'T EVEN KNOW IT AND THAT ROAD TO NOWHERE HAS ALWAYS BEEN LIKE THAT AND WE HAVE CHECKED INTO LINDLE LAKES FROM WHAT OUR, THE PEOPLE DID RESEARCH AND THAT IS NOT PAVED BY THE COUNTY. THAT'S PRIVATE LIKE OURS IS.

OUR ROAD IS NOT PAID FOR BY THE COUNTY SINCE IT'S PRIVATE ROAD.

THAT FOR ONE. AND BECAUSE OUR HOA MANAGEMENT LOOKED INTO THAT BECAUSE WE HAD HEARD THAT LINDA LAKES WAS GOING TO BE PAVED AND KEPT IN TOP CONDITION BECAUSE IT WAS UNDER THE COUNTY. AND SO WE LOOKED INTO THAT BECAUSE WE THOUGHT IF THEY HAVE THAT THEN WE SHOULD HAVE THAT TOO BUT IT'S NOT. I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT CAME FROM. HE NEVER CAME BEFORE OUR COMMITTEE. HE SENT A LETTER TO THEM BUT HE DIDN'T COME BEFORE THE COMMITTEE, SO ALL THESE THINGS AND THEN LAST TIME WHEN WE WERE HERE, THE DISCUSSION WAS TWO ENTRANCES TO HIS. WHERE I ONLY HEAR ONE TONIGHT.

SO AND THE OTHER THING TOO IS, WE HAVE A POOL.

AND IF THAT'S GOING TO BE FAMILY THERE NEEDS TO BE A FENCE BETWEEN HIM AND US SO CHILDREN CAN'T GET INTO THAT AREA TOO.

WE HAVE A FENCE AROUND. NOT THAT WE DON'T.

AND RIGHT NOW IT'S FENCED BUT WE DON'T HAVE ISSUES WITH THAT BECAUSE THERE IS NO CHILDREN. IT'S FARM ANIMALS AND COWS AND HORSES AND WILDLIFE. JUST LIKE ON BRONCO ROAD AND THAT IS THE WAY THAT WE LOVE THE FACT THAT WE ARE NOT PART OF A BIG COMMUNITY. WE WANT THAT RURAL LIFE. SO THAT'S IT. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU MA'AM. YVON KRAMER YOU WANT TO SPEAK?

>> YES, PLEASE. >> I WAS TRYING TO AVOID THIS.

MY NAME IS YVON KRAMER AND I LIVE AT 4027 SAND BANK COURT.

THE CUL-DE-SAC OF THE ROAD BEHIND ME BACKS UP TO THE POOL, WHICH BACKS UP TO THE PROPOSED PROPERTY.

NOW WE WERE INFORMED THROUGH A LETTER TO THE HOA WHICH I AM ADDRESS SURER OF THE HOA THAT THE DEVELOPER OFFERED MONEY TO THE CD FOR! AMOUNT OF DOLLARS TO ACCESS THROUGH OUR ROAD TO NOWHERE. NOW THE LAST TIME WE WERE HERE FIRE MARSHAL OR SOMEONE SPOKE THAT WE CAME TO AN AGREEMENT THAT THERE WAS GOING TO BE TWO ENTRANCES ON HIS OWN PROPERTY AND NOT THROUGH OURS BECAUSE WE PAY FOR OUR OWN ROADS AND I THINK THAT WAS SOME SORT OF STATUTE OR IT'S ALREADY THERE WHERE HE CAN'T COME THROUGH PRIVATE OWNED PROPERTY.

WE MAINTAIN OUR OWN ROADS AND WE HAVE TO DO THE RESERVE STUDY AND EVERYTHING TO TRY TO FUND IT OURSELVES, SO WHERE THAT WENT IN THIS DISCUSSION, I DON'T KNOW. I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY PAPERS, ANY PLAN OTHER THAN THAT. OF WHAT HE'S PLANNING TO DO.

IT DOESN'T SAY 55 AND OLDER, DOESN'T SAY HE'S GOING TO PUT UP FENCE NOT TO DISTURB US OR US HIM.

WE HAVEN'T A CLUE WHAT HE'S GOING TO DO.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. NANCY?

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WILLIAM TOTALS IS NEXT? >> I LIVE AT 4332 GREEN RIVER AND THE ROAD TO NOWHERE IS TWO PARKING PLACES WITH POLES.

RIGHT ACROSS FROM MY DRIVEWAY AND THAT'S ALL IT IS AND THEN IT'S GRASS AND THEN COWS AND SO IT'S NOT IT CAN'T BE USED AS AN EMERGENCY BECAUSE IF THE FIRE TRUCKS WENT IN THERE WHERE WILL THEY GO AFTER THAT? IF THERE IS NO ROADS TO GET TO THE PROPERTY? WE LIKE IT RURAL.

WE HATE TO SEE THOSE COWS GO. BUT WE KNOW SOMETIMES IT'S PROGRESS BUT, OUR ROADS ARE PRIVATE.

WE'RE 55 PLUS, MOST OF US ARE IN OUR 70S AND I'M IN MY 80S.

SO A LOT OF IT HAS TO DO TOO WITH SAFETY.

BECAUSE THE CARS THAT COME IN THERE NOW ARE JUST OUR CARS AND WE HAVE 20 MILE PER HOUR SIGNS FOR SPEED.

I MEAN THAT'S CREEPING REALLY BUT IT'S 20 MILES PER HOUR SO WE HAVE TO WATCH OUT FOR OUR PEOPLE.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU MA'AM.

WILLIAM TOTALS? RICHARD POWER NEXT.

>> HI. I'M WILLIAM TOTALS.

LIVED AT 4025 SPRING CREEK LANE IN AZALEA RIDGE.

THE ROAD TO NOWHERE BASICALLY HAS TO GO WHEN YOU GO ACROSS IT GOES DOWN THROUGH DRAINAGE. SO THEY WOULD HAVE TO FILL THAT IN WHICH WOULD CAUSE MORE PROBLEMS IN OUR AREA BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE OUR LAND OVER THERE THAT WE'RE PAYING FOR AND WE RUN EVERYTHING ON. THE SECONDARY ROAD THAT GOES INTO THE LAKES IS PUT IN BY ORTON WHEN HE WAS BUILDING AREA OVER THERE. HE RAN THE ROAD ACROSS TO LINDA LAKES HOPING HE COULD TIE THEM TOGETHER AND COME UP WITH IT.

I'VE BEEN THERE FOR NINE YEARS NOW, SO I KNOW A LOT ABOUT WHAT WAS GOING ON AT THAT POINT. IT WAS DIRT ROAD WHEN I MOVED IN. IT WAS IMMEDIATELY CUT OFF WHEN ORTON LOST THE LAND AND LINDA LAKES WOULDN'T SELL IT TO THEM AND THAT'S WHY THE GATE IS THERE AND IT'S GATED ON BOTH SIDE ON LINDA LAKES AND ON THIS SIDE SO IT WAS NEVER USED AND THERE WAS AN ENTRANCE PUT IN ON OLD BAY, LONG BAY ROAD FOR THE EMERGENCY EXIT AND FOR THE CONSTRUCTION WORK AND I'M NOT INTERESTED IN SEEING THEM RUN, IT'S ALMOST FROM WHERE HIS GATE SHOWS TO OUR TRO FRONT GATE WHERE WE HAVE TO PAY FOR THE ROADS, IS ALMOST A HALF A MILE, AND HALF A MILE OF CONSTRUCTION TRUCKS RUNNING LONG THERE AND RUNNING THROUGH THE TWO AND A HALF MILES FROM BLANDING ALL THE WAY UP TO THERE IS GOING TO PLAY HELL ON AN AWFUL LOT OF ROADS. THANK YOU MUCH.

>> ALRIGHT. MR. POWER AGAINST.

WAIVING SPEAKING. DE DEBRA? AND YOU ARE FOR?

MARGARET BODIER? >> I LIVE IN FREEDOM AZALEA RIDGE AND I WANT TO SAY ABOUT THE ROAD TO NOWHERE WHICH DOES HAVE A NAME WHICH I CANNOT RECALL RIGHT NOW BECAUSE WE ALWAYS CALLED IT THAT. LANDERS POINT.

THANK YOU. FORK.

THANK YOU. YES I HAVE SOME CONCERNED WITH THE FACT THAT IF EMERGENCY EQUIPMENT DOES COME THROUGH THERE WITH THE NEW STATION NOW LOCATED I THINK THE ACCESS TO GET INTO THIS PLANNED DEVELOPMENT IS ACTUALLY QUICKER THAN COMING AROUND AND COME THROUGH AZALEA RIDGE THE MAIN COMMUNITY WITH ALL THE KIDS WITH THEIR WHATEVERS THAT THEY ARE RIDING, THROUGH FREEDOM AND OUT THE BACK.

YOU WOULD BE FAR BETTER SERVED COMING IN FROM OLD JENNINGS AND COMING IN ALLEY MURRAY SO IF THE THOUGHT PROCESS WAS TO USE IT IN AN EMERGENCY, I THINK YOU ARE MISTAKEN WITH THINKING THAT YOU WILL SAVE ANYTIME USING A COMMUNITY TO PASS THROUGH FOR

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THE OTHER THING IS I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHO WOULD BE REASONABLE TO PUT THE GATE IN? CURRENTLY THERE IS NO GATE THERE. SO WOULD THE DEVELOPER BE REASONABLE TO PUT THE GATE? NOW THAT THEY ARE DEVELOPING ALLEY MURRAY AND THIS SUBSEQUENT PROPERTY? WOULD THEY BE REASONABLE TO PUT THE GATE IN OR IS FREEDOM REASONABLE TO DO THAT? WHICH IS AN ADDED COST THAT WE WOULD NOT BE PREPARED FOR AND WOULD HAVE TO THINK ABOUT HOW WE WOULD BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE THAT SECOND GATE IF NECESSARY.

CURRENTLY WE DO HAVE A WAY TO STOP PEOPLE FROM GOING ALL THE WAY THROUGH ON THAT ROAD AND AS BILL MENTIONED, THERE IS ALSO THAT REPAIR OF THE GROUND THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE DONE.

SO JUST CONSIDERING ALL OF THOSE PIECES BEFORE WE GO ANY FURTHER WITH A VOTE ON THAT. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU MA'AM. GARY LINDSAY NEXT?

>> GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS GARY LINDSAY AND MY WIFE AND I LIVE AT 1386 ALLEY MURRAY ROAD.

WE'VE BEEN THERE FOR ABOUT 1 IS YEAR AND PLAN TO STAY THERE.

THERE ARE SEVERAL ISSUES RELATED TO THIS THAT I WANTED TO BRING UP. ONE IS, THE DIRT ROAD.

IT HAD BECOME A MAJOR PASS THROUGH FOR EVERYBODY.

THE WORSE PART ARE THE TEENAGERS, ALLEY MURRAY HAS ALWAYS BEEN KNOWN AS PARTY LANE. I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF YOU ARE AWARE OF THAT FROM THE HIGH SCHOOLERS, SO IT IS A PLACE BECAUSE IT'S ISOLATED AND DIRT, WE HAVE TEENAGERS RAISING UP AND DOWN AND THEY ARE SPINNING THEIR TIRED AND DOING CRAZY STUFF AND I THINK THE IDEA OF THE ROAD BEING PAVED AND A LITTLE BIT MORE PEOPLE AROUND, TRAVELING, YOU WILL SEE A LOT LESS OF THAT GOING ON. IT'S DANGEROUS SOMETIMES, AND FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT HAVE BEEN OUT THERE AND KNOW IT, OUR PROPERTY IS ADJACENT TO THIS DEVELOPMENT.

OUR BORDER WOULD TOUCH RIGHT ON WHAT THEY ARE DOING. WE HAVE SEVEN ACRES. WHEN PEOPLE TALK ABOUT THE RAISING UP AND DOWN THE STREET AND THE HUGE CLOUDS OF DUST THAT COME WHEN THE ROAD IS DRY IT DOESN'T GET ON YOUR CARS IT'S ALL OVER YOUR HOUSE AND EVERYTHING YOU OWN AND WE'RE SO TIRED OF IT AND FED UP WITH THAT PART THAT WE'RE 100% IN FAVOR OF SEEING THIS HAPPEN. JUST HONESTLY FOR THE SAKE OF GETTING ALLEY MURRAY PAVED. THE TRAFFIC IS GETTING RIDICULOUS. EVERY SINCE THEY PAVED THE PART BY LANDING NOW WE HAVE CONSTRUCTION PEOPLE JUST FLYING UP AND DOWN THE ROAD, AS WELL, IT'S THE TRAFFIC IS GETTING TOO HIGH FOR IT TO BE THE BUMPY DIRT ROAD THAT IT IS.

I JUST WANT TO SAY WE'RE 100% FOR IT.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, SIR.

>> STEPHEN? >> I DON'T HAVE TO RUN AROUND.

STEVE VAN BLOOM. CAMERON OAKS NEIGHBORHOOD SPEAKING ON THE CAC. THIS WAS A SPLIT VOTE 4-1.

I TALKED TO THE MEMBER WHO WAS THE NO VOTE AND THEY SAID THAT WAS BASED ON AT THE TIME WE DIDN'T HAVE A LOT OF INFORMATION ON THE OWNERSHIP OF THE ROAD, AS WELL AS THERE WAS AMOUNT OF PEOPLE THAT DIDN'T WANT IT SO THAT PERSON SAID THAT'S WHY THEY VOTED NO. AS FAR AS PRESENTATION ON THERE I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT SLIDE IT WAS BUT IT SHOWS THE POTENTIAL, WHEN WE FIRST SAW THAT MY INITIAL THOUGHT WAS USUALLY WE HAVE PEOPLE GO THROUGH THEIR, AND THEN IN THE PLANNING COMMISSION WE FIGURED OUT IT'S ALL BLOCKED SO IT'S NOT EVEN A REAL ROAD. BUT THE INSIDE OF THE CNC, I CAN PROVIDE FURTHER DISCUSSION. THANK YOU.

>> ANYONE ELSE? PUBLIC HEARING OVER, LET'S BRING

IT BACK TO THE BOARD. >> I THINK EVERYBODY KNOWS ALAN MURRAY, AND HEART OF THE URBAN SERVICE BOUNDARY, WE ALWAYS KNEW

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TWO WRONGS DON'T MAKE A RIGHT, JUST BECAUSE IT COULD HAVE BEEN DONE TEN YEARS AGO OR WHENEVER THAT OTHER NEIGHBORHOOD WAS BUILT DOES NOT MAKE IT RIGHT NOW.

AND I WILL SAY, THEY TAKE THEIR DRAINAGE, THE HOA MAINTAINS THE DRAINAGE, NOT THE CBD. THIS WAS NOT AN ORIGINAL D.R.

HORTON NEIGHBORHOOD IT WAS A NEIGHBORHOOD BEING DEVELOPED AND THEY WENT -- THE ORIGINAL DEVELOPER WENT BANKRUPT.

THEN THEY CAME IN, THEY PUT THE 35 AND OVER, THERE'S A FEW SIMILAR 55 AND OVER COMMUNITIES AROUND THE AREA, SO THEY MAINTAINED THEIR OWN STORMWATER POND, THE HOA DOES, SEPARATE FROM THE CBD OWNS. AND THEY DO A VERY THOROUGH JOB OF IT. I WOULD LIKE TO NOT UPSET THE APPLE CART, THEY PAY THEIR HOA, SO IF THEY CAN FIGURE OUT A WAY TO HAVE EITHER TWO ENTRANCES ON ALI MURRAY OR THE ONE, I CAN SUPPORT IT. I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO SEE ALL OF ALI MURRAY PAVED. WE AS A COUNTY DON'T HAVE MONEY TO GO AND PAVE THE SECTION THAT WILL NOT BE PAVED, UNLESS THAT SUBDIVISION WILL ONLY TURN LEFT OUT OF THERE, THERE ARE PEOPLE -- WE WILL BE INTRODUCING 150 NEW CARS ONTO ALI MURRAY, THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT WILL TURN RIGHT FOR THEIR COMMUTE.

AND WE HAD A DIFFERENT NEIGHBORHOOD ON OLD JENNINGS AND IT WAS A MUCH SMALLER NEIGHBORHOOD, IN FACT IT WAS VOTED ON ON THE OTHER SIDE OF HOLTON, AND THERE WAS A TRAFFIC SURVEY DONE, I DON'T KNOW IT KIND OF SEEMED LIKE WE DIDN'T REALLY GET ALL THE INFORMATION. I KNOW WE ARE A SMALL SCALE LAND USE AMENDMENT PART OF THIS AND THERE ARE MORE STEPS, BUT I WILL SUPPORT IT IF WE -- IF THE DEVELOPER WILL PAY ALL OF ALI MURRAY, AND THAT WE WON'T HAVE THE CONNECTION THROUGH FREEDOM IS WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE. I KNOW WE ARE NOT AT THAT POINT, IT WON'T BE IN WRITING BUT IF THERE'S AN AGREEMENT, WE NEED TO DO THOSE THINGS, THAT WE COULD SEE THIS HAPPEN.

IT REALLY WON'T CHANGE THE FLAVOR OF ALI MURRAY, AND PEOPLE -- I DON'T KNOW THERE'S 150 CARS TODAY THAT LIVE ON ALI MURRAY, I DON'T THINK THERE'S 70 HOMES THAT LIVE ON ALI MURRAY.

SO THIS IS REALLY GOING TO BECOME A NEW NEIGHBORHOOD.

I HAVE NO REQUESTS FROM ANYBODY ON ALI MURRAY TO DENY, SO I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE THERE. IT'S REALLY JUST GETTING ALI MURRAY PAVED AND THE COUNTY DOES NOT HAVE THE MONEY TO DO IT.

WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO MEET THOSE.

I DO NOT KNOW HOW TO MAKE -- DO I MAKE A MOTION TO ASK FOR THOSE OR WHAT DO I DO? YOU MAKE A COUPLE THINGS, TWO COMMIT TO PAVE ALL OF ALI ROAD, PROBABLY NOT.

FISCALLY IT'S NOT FEASIBLE. WE ARE BARELY MAKING IT WORK WITH HALF OF ALI MURRAY ROAD. THAT WOULD BE IDEAL TO HAVE AT LEAST HALF OF IT PAVED OR NOT RIGHT NOW, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WOULD GET A WHOLE LOT OF TRAFFIC FROM OUR NEIGHBORHOOD TO THE RIGHT COMING OUT OF THERE INTO THE DIRT ROAD, THERE WILL BE BRAND NEW HOMES, PEOPLE WITH CARS, I'M SURE THEY PROBABLY DON'T WANT TO GET DIRTY SO I DON'T THINK YOU'LL HAVE TOO MUCH OF THAT OF A PROBLEM. I WOULD BE SURPRISED, THEY WOULD PROBABLY WANT TO GET ONTO THE PAVED ROAD.

I'M JUST BEING HONEST I DON'T THINK WE COULD FIND A DEVELOPER THAT WILL AGREE TO THAT AS WELL, IT'S NOT JUST BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO SPEND THE MONEY BUT BECAUSE IT'S NOT THERE.

SO... >> I GUESS FOR ME, WE JUST HAVE SEEN THIS HAPPEN BEFORE, RIGHT? BEFORE RICHARD WAS OUR COUNTY ENGINEER, THE PREVIOUS COUNTY ENGINEER SAID THAT ROAD SHOULD NOT BE PAVED, AND IT'S STILL NOT PAVED.

EIGHT YEARS LATER. AND THERE HAS BEEN STUFF THAT

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IT'S NOT A MOBILITY FEE ROAD EVEN THOUGH RICHARD TALKED ABOUT HAVING A MOBILITY FEE. I DON'T KNOW, IT NEEDS TO BE PAVED. I DO NOT KNOW WHERE TO GO WITH

IT FROM THERE. >> ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY

COMMENTS? >> I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF.

WHAT IS THE CURRENT ALLOWABLE UNITS -- TWO QUESTIONS, NUMBER 1 THIS IS A LAND USE CHANGE, NUMBER 2, WITH THE CURRENT LAND USE WHAT IS THE CURRENT ALLOWABLE UNITS?

CAN I ASK THE DEVELOPER? >> ORIGINALLY TO LOOK AT THAT COULD THAT BE, AND WITH BONUS DENSITY WE GOT TO 37 UNITS.

YES, MA'AM. AND AGAIN IT'S MORE ABOUT THE DOLLARS THAN MAKING IT WORK. I DON'T KNOW IF ENOUGH UNITS TO

PAVE THAT HALF PORTION. >> WHAT YOU WERE SAYING THOUGH

CERTAIN ROADS ARE EXPENSIVE. >> A LITTLE BIT.

[CHUCKLING] >> PEOPLE THINK THEY ARE NOT, WE

KNOW THAT. >> THEY ARE NOT CHEAP.

YEAH. I MOVE TO DENY IF WE CANNOT HAVE IT PAVED. MOTION TO DENY?

>> OUR SECOND FURTHER DISC DISCUSSION.

>> ALL RIGHT. DO WE HAVE DISCUSSION?

>> YEAH, I THINK COMMISSIONER CONDON MAKES A LOT OF GOOD POINTS HERE, THE BIG THING FOR ME IS I THINK YOU ARE SETTING YOURSELF UP FOR FAILURE BY NOT HAVING A PLAN TO PAVE ALI MURRAY ROAD FROM AUGUST ALL THE WAY TO OLD JENNINGS.

YEAH, I MEAN -- AND JUST YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS I HAVE LEARNED IN THE PAST TWO YEARS IS HOPE IS NOT A GOOD STRATEGY.

IT'S... YEAH. THIS ONE IS A TOUGH ONE.

>> ANY OTHER? >> THE ONLY COMMENT I HAVE, WE HAVE A POLICY FOR THE SECOND EMERGENCY EXIT, IT'S 100 OR MORE HOMES, THAT'S OUR POLICY. THIS IS 79.

SO I UNDERSTAND THE SAFETY PART, BUT WE SET POLICIES FOR A REASON. AND YOU KNOW, WE ARE PUTTING A BIG BURDEN ON THE DEVELOPER, HALF A ROAD IS BETTER THAN NO ROAD. WE WON'T HAVE MONEY FOR EVEN HALF THE ROAD. AT LEAST YOU KNOW, HALF THE ROAD

WILL BE DEVELOPED OR PAVED. >> WHICH SIDE DID WE SAY WOULD BE DEVELOPED FROM PARCELLS SOUTH OR NORTH?

>> OLD JENNINGS. >> GOT IT.

>> RICHARD DO YOU KNOW HOW FAR IT IS?

>> YEAH, I DON'T KNOW. >> FROM WHERE HIS WOULD BE TO PRAIRIE? BECAUSE GREGORY CLAREY IS PAVED.

>> GREGORY CLAREY IS PAVED, BUT IT'S LESS THAN A MILE.

THERE'S AN OWNERSHIP ISSUE DOWN THERE THAT HAS TO BE RESOLVED.

THERE IS ONE PARCEL THAT EXTENDS TO THE CENTER OF ALI MURRAY THAT WE ARE GRABBING ON NOW. I'M NOT GOING TO SAY WHAT IT IS, BUT I THINK WE HAVE A MEETING FOR OUR FUTURE PROJECTS COMING IN. I DON'T AGREE WITH THE ASSUMPTION THAT THERE WILL BE NOBODY TURNING RIGHT OUT OF THERE. THERE'S A LOT OF CHANGES COMING TO THAT AREA, AT LEAST PROPOSED. WE'RE NOT HOPING FOR THAT, COMMISSIONER CONDON, BUT THERE'S A PLAN COMING IN ON THURSDAY FOR A SIGNIFICANT RETAIL DEVELOPMENT AT THAT BOULEVARD AND GEORGE

CLAREY. >> ON THE DRC, THERE IS A WAREHOUSE CLUB THAT THIS IS GOING TO ON THURSDAY FOR THE OPPOSITE PARCEL OF GREGORY CLAREY.

SO... I MEAN... >> THERE WILL BE TRAFFIC, PEOPLE WILL FIND THAT WAY TO GET AROUND.

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>> GREGORY CLAREY IS PAVED? >> IT IS PAVED, THERE IS A RACETRACK THERE WHICH IS A PRETTY BUSY RACETRACK.

>> FAIRLY NEW. >> FAIRLY NEW.

>> TURNING ON ALI MURRAY -- >> ALI MURRAY IS DIRT TO GEORGE CLAREY, AND CLAREY IS PAVED AROUND I THINK TWO -- THE SUBSTATION. 163, SO THAT WOULD COST US RIGHT IN THE MILLION DOLLAR RANGE IF WE PUT IT ON OUR LIST, IF WE PUT IT ON THE LET'S GET THIS DONE. IT WOULD BECOME --

>> IT'S A HEAVY LIFT. >> IT IS.

WE COULD NOT DO IT WITHOUT ROOT. FOR THAT AMOUNT OF MONEY WE COULD PROBABLY DO 4 MILES FOR PEOPLE DRIVING, 200 OR 500 TRIPS A DAY. THIS WOULD BE TEN TIMES THAT

AMOUNT. >> SIR, I WAS JUST THINKING LIKE YOU SAID ROUGHLY A MILLION DOLLARS, I WAS THINKING ON DEPENDING ON HOW LONG THIS TAKES, THAT'S TODAY'S DOLLARS.

>> A MILLION IF WE START TOMORROW, BUT, YES, MA'AM,, YOU

ARE RIGHT. >> THAT IS HARD BECAUSE YOU DO MAKE A GOOD POINT, I GET HALF THE ROAD BEING PAVED IS BETTER THAN NONE OF THE ROAD BEING PAVED, AND WE ARE UNLIKELY TO EVER HAVE THE MONEY TO PAVE THE WHOLE ROAD JUST AS A COUNTY.

I GUESS YOU WOULD IMAGINE THAT OTHER DEVELOPMENT COULD COME IN, THAT IT WON'T GO IN BEHIND -- I DON'T THINK IT WILL GO IN ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF ALI MURRAY. I THINK IT WOULD BE --

>> YEAH. >> BUT RICHARD, WHEN THAT OTHER POTENTIAL CAME IN TO TALK TO US THEY SAID THERE WAS AN ISSUE AT GREGORY CLAREY WITH SOMETHING WITH A D.O.T. AND THE WATER, WE DID NOT AGREE WITH THEIR INTERPRETATION.

>> NO THEY HAD A DISAGREEMENT WITH THE ELEVATION THAT THE D.O.T. ENGINEER SAID, ONLY FLOOD ELEVATION TO MY UNDERSTANDING, WHEN THEY DESIGNED AND BUILT THE INTERCHANGE FOR 23.

SO IT'S NOT NEW. THAT DATES BACK PROBABLY TEN YEARS. AND I THINK WHAT IT DOES IS IT CREATES -- WHAT YOU SEE ON THE MAP, IT MAKES IT EITHER A LITTLE BIT LARGER OR CHANGES THE ELEVATION, LITERALLY A FEW TENTHS OF A FOOT BUT IT MADE A DIFFERENCE IN THE AMOUNT OF PROPERTY THAT WAS DEVELOPABLE. NO WE DON'T AGREE WITH IT.

BUT IT'S NOT OUR FIGHT. IT'S BETWEEN FLORIDA D.O.T. AND FEDERAL EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT AGENCY AND THIS DEVELOPER, WE DON'T HAVE THE STAFF TO DO HIS DUE DILIGENCE TO HIRE OUR OWN ENGINEER. IF YOU BELIEVE IT, GO CHANGE AT.

BUT IT'S NOT -- >> I GUESS I WILL WITHDRAW MY

MOTION. >> I WITHDRAW MY SECOND.

>> OPEN WEB. I'M NOT IN LOVE WITH IT BUT I WILL MOVE TO APPROVE. WITH A NOD CONNECTION TO FREEDOM. IF YOU CAN GET THROUGH DRC AND NOT HAVE A CONNECTION TO FREEDOM.

>> I WILL SECOND, COMMISSIONER CONDON AND SUPPORT.

I THINK THERE'S A LOT MORE THAT HAS TO BE IRONED OUT, THIS IS JUST A LAND USE, SO THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME THINGS THAT

HAVE TO BE CLEARED UP FOR SURE. >> OKAY I HAVE A POINT OF DISCUSSION. COMMISSIONER, CAN YOU GET YOUR NOTEBOOK? EVERYBODY SEE THIS NOTEBOOK HOW THICK IT IS? THAT'S WHAT'S ON OUR LAPTOP HERE. SHE CHOOSES TO HAVE THIS NOTEBOOK, BUT IN OUR PART TIME JOB WE REDID THIS WHOLE NOTEBOOK EVERY SINGLE MEETING, OKAY? PART TIME JOB.

I JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT I READ YOUR LETTER THAT YOU SENT TO US, AND PROBABLY WASN'T A GOOD IDEA TO SAY WHAT YOU WANTED TO SAY IF YOU DIDN'T WANT US TO APPROVE SOMETHING, BUT I HAD THIS OPPORTUNITY BECAUSE WE HEAR THIS -- I DO NOT KNOW IF YOU ARE ON FACEBOOK BUT WE GET BEAT UP PRETTY MUCH EVERY DAY CAN I IN A VERY SEVERE WAY, AND I LIVE IN MR. SIMPSON'S

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IF YOU'RE NOT ON FACEBOOK CAN I JUST TRUST ME.

WHENEVER YOU SAID I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS ARE HELL-BENT ON DESTROYING THE COUNTY, SHAME ON YOU, I SAW THAT. I CAN PROBABLY HOLD THREE DEVELOPMENTS THAT I HAVE APPROVED SINCE BEING ON THE BOARD FOR THE PAST SIX YEARS BECAUSE I DON'T LIKE A DEVELOPMENT, I DON'T LIKE WHAT HAPPENED TO SANDRIDGE ROAD BUT I DID NOT HAVE A DANG THING TO SAY ABOUT IT.

AND THAT'S THE WHOLE COUNTY THAT I'VE APPROVED FOR REDEVELOPMENT.

ONE OF THEM WAS BECAUSE THEY SAID THEY WOULD NOT DEVELOP FOR TEN YEARS, WHICH OF COURSE THEY CHANGED WHAT THEY SAID THEY WERE GOING TO DO. I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT, IT GOT ME A LITTLE BIT UPSET, AS YOU CAN SEE.

I DO CARE, AND I'M NOT ASHAMED AT ALL THE JOB I HAVE DONE, JUST FOR THE PUBLIC LISTENING TO THIS, I'M SURE IT'LL BE ALL OVER FACEBOOK TOMORROW, THAT'S FINE. BUT -- THANK YOU, SIR.

THANK YOU. THIS PIECE OF LAND WILL BE DEVELOPED ONE DAY, IT'S NOT RIGHT NOW, AND MY MOM AND DAD, I KNOW THEY ARE OUT THERE, AND YOU KNOW IT'S A NICE AREA.

AND MR. LINDSEY, THEY WILL STILL BE RACING DOWN THAT ROAD, PAVED OR NOT. IT'S CRAZY IN MY DISTRICT.

YEAH. [CHUCKLING] IT MAY NOT BE DUSTY BUT THEY WILL BE RACING DOWN IT PROBABLY QUITE A BIT. ANYWAYS THAT WAS MY COMMENTS.

WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED?

PASSES 5-0. >> WHILE Y'ALL ARE GETTING UP TO LEAVE, THANK YOU FOR COMING. IT MEANS A LOT.

WE ONLY GOT ONE EMAIL ON THIS, SO I DO APPRECIATE YOU COMING.

>> I WILL MOVE TO NUMBER 19, FINAL PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER ADOPTION -- STAFF REQUESTED A CONTINUANCE?

>> MOVE APPROVAL OF THE CONTINUANCE.

>> AND THE EXPORT? ALL RIGHT, PUBLIC TO OPEN TO THE PUBLIC HEARING. ANYONE?

CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. >> I MOVE THE APPROVAL OF THE

CONTINUANCE TO NOVEMBER TENTH. >> SECOND.

>> MOTION AND A SECOND ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE? ANY OPPOSED? PASSES 5-0 FOR CONTINUANCE AND

NUMBER 20 ALSO FOR CONTINUANCE. >> BOTH OF THESE WERE ADVERTISED -- IT WASN'T THE APPLICANT'S FAULT IT WAS THE STAFF POINT, JUST WANT YOU TO UNDERSTAND THAT.

>> OPEN TO PUBLIC HEARING. CLOSED TO PUBLIC HEARING.

BRING IT BACK TO THE BOARD. >> I MOVE TO CONTINUE

NOVEMBER TENTH ATC MEETING. >> SECOND.

>> MOTION AND SECOND TO CONTINUE, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE AYE? PASSES 5-0.

[21. Public Hearing to consider COMP 26-0020 and ZON 26-0019; COMP 26-0021 and ZON 26-0020; COMP 26-0022 and ZON 26-0021; COMP 26-0023 and ZON 26-0022; and COMP 26-0025 and ZON 26-0023.  (District 5, Comm. Burke) (B. Carson)A.  COMP 26-0020This application is a Small-Scale Comprehensive Plan Amendment to change the future land use designation of 1 acre from Agriculture (AG) to Industrial (IND) .B. ZON 26-0019This application is a Rezoning to change 1 acre from Agricultural District (AG) to Heavy Industrial District (IB).C.  COMP 26-0021This application is a Small-Scale Comprehensive Plan Amendment to change the future land use designation of 8.96 acres from Agriculture (AG) to Industrial (IND).D.  ZON 26-0020This application is a Rezoning to change 8.96 acres from Agricultural District (AG) to Heavy Industrial District (IB).E. COMP 26-0022This application is a Small-Scale Comprehensive Plan Amendment to change the future land use designation of 1.72 acres from Agriculture (AG) to Industrial (IND).F. ZON 26-0021This application is a Rezoning to change 1.72 acres from Agricultural District (AG) to Heavy Industrial District (IB).G. COMP 26-0023This application is a Small-Scale Comprehensive Plan Amendment to change the future land use designation of 32.79 acres from Agriculture/Residential (AR) to Industrial (IND).H. ZON 26-0022This application is a Rezoning to change 32.79 acres from Agricultural District (AG) to Heavy Industrial District (IB).I. COMP 26-0025This application is a Small-Scale Comprehensive Plan Amendment to change the future land use designation of 41.75 acres from Agriculture/Residential (AR) to Industrial (IND).J. ZON 26-0023This application is a Rezoning to change 41.75 acres from Agricultural District (AG) to Heavy Industrial District (IB).]

>> THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR, YES THIS IS A SET OF TEN APPLICATIONS THAT ARE ALL RELATED.

YOU HAVE HEARD OF THEM BEFORE, A COUPLE YEARS AGO, I WILL RUN THROUGH THEM FOR YOU AGAIN TONIGHT.

THE AGENTS FOR THESE APPLICATIONS ARE BERT ROYAL, DAN ROYAL AND KELLY HARTLEY, THE LOCATION OF THE PROPERTY IS AT COUNTY ROAD 209 SOUTH COUNTY ROAD 226, THIS IS WITHIN THE SPRINGS DISTRICT, WHICH IS YOUR DISTRICT, MR. BURKE.

THERE ARE FIVE PARCELS INVOLVED, AND THE REQUESTS ARE FINANCIAL PLAN AMENDMENTS THAT MEET THE FUTURE LAND USE OF THE PARCELS FROM AG AND AG RESIDENTIAL TO INDUSTRIAL, AND THE ZONING REQUEST IS TO CHANGE THE PROPERTIES FROM AGRICULTURAL TO HEAVY INDUSTRIAL. AND UP ON THE LEFT, YOU CAN SEE 209 SOUTH, THIS ROAD IS COMING DOWN AS WELL AS 226.

AND THEN UP ON THE RIGHT, A LITTLE BIT BROADER CONTEXT WHERE THESE PARCELS ARE LOCATED, LOWER RIGHT, YOU CAN SEE THE SURROUNDING AREA, BAY YARD CONSERVATION, THE PURPLE IS THE INDUSTRIAL AREA THAT EXISTS, THE SORT OF TEAL IS GOVERNOR'S PARK

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YOU SEE THE NOTIFICATION LIST IS UP TOP AND THESE ARE THE SIGNS THAT WERE POSTED. AND UP ON THE LEFT IS THE EXISTING FUTURE LAND USE, THE WHITE COLOR IS THE AGRICULTURE AND THE YELLOW COLOR IS THE AGRICULTURAL RESIDENTIAL.

AGAIN SURROUNDING BY THE GREEN CONSERVATION AREA.

AND THE RIGHT MAP IS PROPOSED WHERE THEY ARE GOING TO INDUSTRIAL. THE REQUEST IS TO GO TO INDUSTRIAL. THE MAP ON THE LEFT IS THE EXISTING ZONING, THEY ARE ALL CURRENTLY ZONED AGRICULTURAL, AND THE REQUEST IS TO REZONE TO HEAVY INDUSTRIAL.

A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND ON THIS, AGAIN IN 24-25 WE HEARD ALL THESE PARCELS BEFORE, WITH THE SAME REQUEST.

AT THE TIME A TRAFFIC STUDY WAS REQUESTED BECAUSE OF THE CONCERNS ON 226 AND 209 SOUTH. THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED THAT AND THAT WAS INCLUDED IN THESE APPLICATIONS MATERIALS.

WITH THAT THE FINDINGS OF THE STUDY WERE SOME IMPROVEMENTS NEEDED TO THE ROADS, AND THOSE INCORPORATED INTO DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE LISTED IS THE REALIGNMENT OF A BAY YARD ROAD WITH COUNTY ROAD 226 AT THE INTERSECTION OF 209 SOUTH, ON THE LEFT TURN LANE BEING ADDED ONTO BAY YARD ROAD AND 226. THE SECOND IS THERE BE AN IMPROVED BAY YARD ROAD FROM COUNTY ROAD PAVED -- SORRY, IMPROVED BAY YARD ROAD TO COUNTY PAVED ROAD STANDARDS INCLUDING A 60-FOOT RIGHT OF LANE AND AT LEAST 24-FOOT PAVED, THAT WAS A CONCERNED ROADWAY NOT VERY WIDE IN THAT AREA.

THE THIRD ONE, IMPROVED 226, WITH PAVEMENT, 50 FEET WEST OF JP PAUL, TO UNIMPROVED INTERSECTION -- I WILL GO BACK A COUPLE MAPS. SO AS YOU CAN SEE THE CURSOR, IS THIS ROAD RIGHT HERE. SO THEY WOULD BE IMPROVING TO 26 FROM 50 FEET WEST OF JP HALL ALL THE WAY TO THIS INTERSECTION.

THE NEXT ONE IS THEY WOULD BE REQUIRED TO INSTALL SIDEWALKS ALONG COUNTY ROAD 226 AND BAYARD ROAD FROM THAT SAME DISTANCE, 5, 250 FEET BEYOND THE EASTERNMOST DRIVEWAY, THIS ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT. AND THE LAST THING THAT WAS ADDED SINCE THE PLANNING COMMISSION HEARING IS -- AT THE MEETING IT WAS BROUGHT UP, THAT THIS PROPERTY WAS INTENDED TO BE INDUSTRIAL, SO THAT REQUIREMENT LIMITING IT TO INDUSTRIAL HAS BEEN ADDED TO THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, IT COULD NOT BE RESIDENTIAL. THESE ARE THE USES THAT ARE PERMITTED A HEAVY INDUSTRIAL. ALSO CONDITIONAL USES.

THE, ON SEPTEMBER NINTH THEY VOTED 2-4 TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL.

THEY DID NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL. THE PLANNING COMMISSION VOTED 6-0 TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ALL THE COMP PLAN APPLICATIONS AND ALL THE ZONING APPLICATIONS. STAFF FINDS THE CRITERIA FOR THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT HAS BEEN MET AND RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ALL THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT REQUESTS.

STAFF ALSO FINDS THE CRITERIA FOR THE REZONINGS HAS BEEN MET AND RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THOSE AS WELL.

AND SO THESE ARE YOUR TEN APPLICATIONS, AND THERE'S THIS GRAPHIC SO YOU CAN SEE THE PARCEL THAT IS BEING ASKED.

AND BEN ROYAL IS HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

>> THE CAC I DO NOT KNOW WHY THEY ARE NOT HERE.

THEY DID NOT SUPPORT IT. >> WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME UP?

>> BEN ROYAL, 3688 LA COURT. CAN I PASS THESE OUT REALLY

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A COUPLE THINGS ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT IN LIGHT OF WHAT WE HAD Y'ALL LISTENED TO BEFORE.

I WANT TO GO ON RECORD, I THINK THAT YOU AND THE STAFF HAVE DONE A REMARKABLE JOB WITH OUR BUDGET, I'M VOTING AGAINST AMENDMENT THREE, SAVING MONEY SURE.

BUT LET ME TELL YOU WHAT, I LOVE WHERE I LIVE, I THINK MOST OF THE PEOPLE IN CLAY COUNTY LOVE WHERE THEY LIVE OR THEY LIVE SOMEWHERE ELSE BECAUSE THEY ARE OPPORTUNISTS.

I HATE TO SEE ANY ONE OF THEM LOSE THEIR JOB OR NOT MAKE THE LIVING THAT THEY DESERVE. SO THAT WILL BE A LEAD IN BECAUSE YOU GOT JUST POSTPONED A CHANGE IN THE BIG PLAN FOR WALTON AND I UNDERSTAND IT, BUT PART OF THAT CHANGE IS THEY ARE TAKING INDUSTRIAL AND COMMERCIAL OUT OF THERE.

YOU HAVE 11,000 HOMES, AND YOU DON'T HAVE ANY JOBS, IF AMENDMENT THREE DOES PASS, WE NEED COMMERCIAL MORE THAN WE EVER DID BEFORE. WE'VE GOT TO HAVE IT AND WE HAVE TO HAVE JOBS BECAUSE JOBS MEAN QUALITY OF LIFE.

IF I DON'T HAVE TO COMMUTE 45 MINUTES ON BUTLER OR WHEREVER WE GO, WHICH AGAIN 64% OF THIS COUNTY DOES, THAT'S 45 MINUTES ONE WAY -- THAT'S AN HOUR AND A HALF THAT I COULD SPEND ON A TEE BALL FIELD THAT'S AN HOUR AND A HALF THAT I COULD SPEND WITH MY CHILD OR TELLING THEM STORIES OR DOING WHATEVER.

SO WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT JUST PROPERTY TAXES WE'RE TALKING QUALITY OF LIFE. EVERY TIME WE CREATE A JOB IN THIS COUNTY WE GIVE SOMEBODY AN OPPORTUNITY TO FILL IT, THAT COULD BE VERY WELL BE TRAVELING THROUGH GOSH KNOWS WHERE.

THE PROJECT WE ARE LOOKING AT DOING IS NOT ONE OF THOSE NOT IN MY BACKYARD. THE YELLOW IS ALL CONSERVATION.

THE PIECE OF PROPERTY WE ARE TALKING ABOUT IS RIGHT AT A HALF A PERCENTAGE. WE'RE NOT TAKING IT OUT OF CONSERVATION. IT JUST WASN'T HALF A PERCENT THAT WAS ADDED. IF YOU LOOK AT THE GREEN SECTION TO THE NORTHWEST, THAT ALREADY IT'S ALREADY BEING DONE AND ALREADY BEING USED. WHEN YOU COME UP TO 09, THE REALITY IS, YOU DON'T SEE THE PROJECT REALLY UNTIL YOU GET THERE, THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT WETLAND BUFFER WITH TREES IF YOU DRIVE THROUGH, YOU WON'T SEE IT UNTIL YOU GET TO THE STOP SIGN.

ONE OF THE KEY ELEMENTS OF THIS -- AND I'VE HEARD IT BEFORE -- ALL THE TRAFFIC. THERE IS NO TRAFFIC.

THERE IS NO REASON, IF YOU LOOK AT THE LAST PAGE, THERE IS NO REASON FOR ANYBODY TO LEAVE THAT INDUSTRIAL PARK FOR ANY JOB THAT I CAN THINK OF UNLESS THEY ARE A PLUMBER OR SOMEBODY THAT DOES ELECTRICAL WORK AND THEY GO DOWN TO THEIR, GO SOUTH ON SOMEBODY'S HOUSE. THERE IS NO REASON TO HEAD DOWN THERE AND GO TO DECOY ROAD. THE TRAFFIC IS GOING TO GO OUT THE BLUE LINE AND GO UP TO THE INTERSTATE, OR IT'S GOING TO GO OUT THE BLUE LINE AND GO ACROSS INTO WALTON.

A LOT OF PEOPLE ON 209 ARE NOT GOING TO FIGHT THEIR WAY TO GREEN COAST TO GET THERE ANY MORE.

THREE YEARS FROM NOW THEY WILL COME UP TO THE BLUE LINE, TAKE A LEFT, TRAVEL ON JP HALL BOULEVARD, THEN THEY WILL MAKE A DECISION. DO I BOOK THE EXPRESSWAY AND GO ACROSS OR GO TO THE MAIN ENTRANCE WHICH IS ALREADY THERE NOW, WHICH WILL BE WHAT THEY CALL CLAY BERRY ROAD.

AT THE END OF THE DAY, THOSE PEOPLE WILL TAKE THAT BLUE LINE NO MATTER WHAT. LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT THE BLUE LINE. THAT FIRST SECTION OF BLUE LINE IS WHAT GOT ME HERE TODAY INSTEAD OF WHAT WAS THERE FIVE MONTHS AGO. THERE WAS A CONCERN ABOUT 226.

RICHARD IS HERE, THEY WILL TELL YOU THERE'S NOT ENOUGH TRAFFIC NOR WILL THERE EVER BE ENOUGH TRAFFIC ON 226 FROM THAT INTERCHANGE TO 17 OR TO WHEREVER TO WARNED THAT BEING PAVED, PERIOD. IT WON'T GET PAVED.

NOT IN MY LIFETIME, BECAUSE 209 IS NOT GOING TO ADD ANY MORE TRAFFIC TO THAT. IT'S NOT GOING TO MAKE THAT ROAD SIGNIFICANT IN ANY WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM.

SO THE COUNTY WON'T PAVE IT. IT'LL BE 800-A MILLION.

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WE MAKE THAT -- IT IS A INTERSECTION AT BEST.

THAT ROAD IS 18 FEET WIDE, 226, COUNTY RESURFACES AT, JUST BE 18 FEET MAYBE 3 INCHES ON EITHER SIDE.

BUT IT'S NOT GOING TO BE 24 FEET WHICH IS WHAT JP HALL BOULEVARD IS. JP HALL, RICHARD TESTIFIED, IT IS A FINE ROAD. PROBABLY 2-4 FEET WIDER THAN 15A, WHICH IS AN INDUSTRIAL PART.

IT WENT ON 15A, 15A, 24 FEET. WHEN THIS GETS BUILT PRIOR TO OCCUPANCY, THAT ROAD HAS TO BE IN PLACE.

WHEN WE TALK ABOUT IMPACT, NOBODY IS GOING TO DRIVE PAST SOMEBODY'S FRONT YARD DOWN THERE.

WILL IT IMPACT EVERYBODY'S LIFE? YES.

GETTING TO THAT STOP SIGN THERE WILL BE CARS COMING OUT.

BUT IT'S GOING TO BE A BETTER PIECE OF ROAD FROM THERE TO JP HALL BOULEVARD WHICH IS WHERE THEY WOULD TRAVEL WHEN THEY GO SHOPPING NO MATTER WHAT, THEY WON'T GO UP THE 209 AND BACK TO THE INTERSTATE AND CERTAINLY NOT CLAYBURY ROAD.

SO IT'S GOING TO BE BETTER, SAFER, AS THE TRUCKS COME, THE INTERSECTION, THEY WILL SPIN OFF THE TEE TO SWING AWAY LEFT AND MAKE THAT SHARP TURN BECAUSE -- THAT'LL BE THAT.

THIS DEVELOPMENT DOES WHAT YOU ASKED OTHERS TO DO, NOT ONLY DOES IT PAY IMPACT FEES, WHICH COULD NOT BE APPLIED, IT'S A SHAME, NOT ONLY DOES IT PAY IMPACT FEES BUT IT WIDENS AND MAKES THAT ROAD A MUCH SAFER STRETCH ALL THE WAY TO JP HALL BOULEVARD. AT THE END OF THE DAY THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY, NOBODY WILL USE THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY TO GET TO THE SCHOOL ZONE. THERE WILL BE NO HOMES BUILT BETWEEN THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY AND INTERSTATE, 17TH OR ANYWHERE ELSE. IT'S SURROUNDED BY THE CONSERVATION AREA. PETERS CREEK INDUSTRIAL PARK AND GOVERNANCE PARK ARE GREAT PROJECTS, BUT THE REALITY IS, THEY WILL RUN ACROSS SCHOOL ZONES NO MATTER WHICH DIRECTION THEY GO. THE TRAFFIC WILL BE HUGELY IMPACTED. THE TRAFFIC STUDY HERE SAYS IT WORKS OUT TO 30 SECONDS A CAR. BUT THAT IS NOT BIG ENOUGH TO BE A MAJOR PLAYER IN THOSE SITUATIONS IN TRAFFIC.

NO TRAFFIC WILL AGAIN GO DOWN TO 09, THAT STOP SIGN, THE IMPACT, THERE'S ALREADY INDUSTRIAL THERE.

IT'S NOT UNIQUE. IT'S RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET, AND RIGHT ACROSS THE TRAIN TRACKS.

IT HAS BEEN DESIGNED THAT WAY FOR 30 YEARS.

SO WE ARE NOT IMPACTING -- WE'RE NOT IMPACTING QUALITY OF LIFE.

THERE IS A REASONABLE CHANCE YOU DO IMPACT IT, IT'LL BE A SAFER ROAD, NOBODY'S RIDING THE SIDEWALK UP THE 209.

AT THE END OF THE DAY, THIS WILL SUPPLY JOBS, IT WILL SUPPLY PROPERTY TAX, IT'LL HAVE AN IMPACT, STOP SIGN, THE TRAFFIC NOT GOING BY ANYBODY'S HOUSE, NOT OUT IN THEIR BACKYARD, NOT MAKING DUST UNDER THEIR HOUSE O, YOU WON'T EVEN SEE IT UNTIL YOU GET TO THAT SPOT. AND WHEN THEY DO IT'LL BE THERE.

TAKE THAT LEFT, GO ON THE 24-FOOT ROAD, AND THEN IT'LL BE A POSITIVE FOR THE COUNTY. IT COULD BE A POSITIVE FOR RESIDENTS. EVERYTHING SOUTH ON 209, TWO YEARS AFTER IT'S BUILT, IT'LL LOOK THE SAME.

THERE'S NOTHING TO IMPACT. >> WHY WAS THAT NOT ADDED TO THE

CONSERVATION LAND? >> THAT WAS YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS AGO, IT WAS A FAMILY MATTER.

CERTAIN FAMILIES DIFFERENT PIECES, IT WAS A MULTITUDE OF.

WHY IT WASN'T I DON'T KNOW. >> AND DO YOU KNOW -- WHAT THIS

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IS SUPPOSED TO BE? >> NO WE DON'T, THAT'S A THING WE HAVE TO GET THE ZONING FIRST BEFORE YOU PUT IT OUT THERE.

IT'S ONE OF THOSE BIG QUESTIONS. THESE GUYS -- THEY SAID DON'T BUY THAT PROPERTY UNTIL THEY GET THE ZONING.

SO WE HAVE TO GET THE ZONING FIRST BEFORE WE TELL SOMEBODY WHAT THEY CAN AND CANNOT DO WITH IT.

>> ALL RIGHT. YOU MAKE MORE OF A STAFF QUESTION. SO UNDER THE ZONING REQUEST, IS THERE LIKE A DAWN TO DUSK NOISE ORDINANCE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT?

>> THE COUNTY HAS A SEPARATE NOISE ORDINANCE NOT UNDER THE INDUSTRIAL. YES.

>> THERE IS WONDERFUL BUFFERING. >> HOW FAR IS IT TO THE HOUSE, THE FIRST BLOCK, HOW FAR IS THAT?

>> IT'S RIGHT AT A LITTLE LESS THAN A FOOTBALL FIELD.

SO YOU HAVE TO CROSS IT -- YOU SEE THE YELLOW AREA, UP TO 09, THAT IS A WETLAND. IT IS A DITCH.

CAN NEVER BE TOUCHED. YOU STAND ON THAT CORNER -- WHICH I HAVEN'T BEEN DOWN THERE. BINOCULARS TO SEE THROUGH THOSE WOODS. THEY ARE THICK WOODS.

AND THAT IS THE FIRST HOUSE. ANYWHERE ELSE DOWN THERE, YOU GET AWAY FROM IT A QUARTER OF A MILE, HALF A MILE BEFORE THERE

SIGNIFICANT IMPACT. >> ALL RIGHT THANK YOU.

PUBLIC COMMENT, DENISE IS FIRST. >> HELLO COMMISSIONERS MY NAME IS DENISE. I GREW UP ON 209 SOUTH.

I DON'T LIKE WHAT'S HAPPENING. IT'S NOT JUST A PIECE OF PROPERTY ON A MAP, IT'S BEEN OUR HOME, IT'S RURAL.

IT'S ALREADY INDUSTRIAL APPROVED SURROUNDING AREAS BEFORE ANYBODY MAKES ANY CHANGES, I WISH THEY WOULD LOOK AND SEE IF THIS HEAVY INDUSTRIAL IS NECESSARY IN THIS AREA.

IN AN AREA THAT IS HEAVY INDUSTRIAL SUPPOSED TO BE IN IS IN THE CONSERVATION AREA, THE LAND JP HALL GAVE TO PRESERVE THE WILDLIFE AND SOME OF HIS FAMILY MEMBERS GOT PIECES AND THEY DIDN'T WANT TO CLAIM IT, THEY WANT TO DO SOMETHING INDUSTRIAL WITH IT AND TO MAKE MONEY.

IT IS SO BEAUTIFUL OUT THERE. SO MUCH WILDLIFE, TURTLES.

BEETLES. MY DAD LIVES ON BAYARD ROAD, 708 BAYARD ROAD, NOT FAR FROM WHERE THIS IS GOING TO BE.

I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE DRAINAGE AND THE WETLANDS BECAUSE IT IS VERY WET. I HAVE SEEN IT FLOOD AS OF RECENT WITH THE NEW INDUSTRIAL THAT IS BEING DEVELOPED ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ROAD, SINCE THEY HAVE COME IN OUR ROADS ARE TRASHED, ALL THE WAY DOWN TO 09, 17TH, ALL THE WAY DOWN TO 26 AND I WILL TELL YOU THEY COME BY MY HOUSE, THEY TAKE DECOY ROAD NOW BECAUSE THERE HAS BEEN SO MANY COMPLAINTS ABOUT THE ROADS BEING TORN UP BY THESE DUMP TRUCKS. AND NOW IT WILL GET WORSE WITH THIS BUILDING. WHO IS GOING TO PAY FOR ALL OF THIS? THE LONG TERM COST TAXPAYERS, WHO'S GOING TO PAY FOR ALL OF THIS? THE ROAD IMPROVEMENTS? I RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR YOU TO VOTE NO FOR THIS. IT'S WOODS OUT THERE IT'S RURAL, IT'S NICE. DID YOU HAVE AN INDUSTRIAL LOOP, THERE'S ACTUALLY THREE SURROUNDING US, ONE VERY CLOSE TO US. I DON'T WANT THIS TO HAPPEN.

>> THANK YOU. ROBIN ARE YOU HERE?

>> ONE FOR EACH PIXEL THESE ARE CURRENT FLOODING THAT ARE HAPPENING CAN I GO THE 226, THERE IS A DUMP TRUCK RIGHT AT WHERE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT -- YOU CAN SEE HOW BIG THE DUMP

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BAYARD ROAD RIGHT WHERE THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT PUTTING THIS THING, I DON'T UNDERSTAND I LIVE AT 5823, I ALSO OWN ANOTHER RESIDENCE ON 209 SOUTH. IT'S BEEN IN MY FAMILY SINCE THE 70S. I HAVE ALSO BEEN ON 209 FOR 15 YEARS. DENISE AND I GREW UP RIDING HORSES ON 209. OUR FAMILIES HAVE BEEN NEIGHBORS AND FRIENDS FOR GENERATIONS. WE STILL TO THIS DAY GO UP BAYARD ROAD TO COME WE KNOW WHERE THE NATURAL FLOW OF WATER IS. THERE ARE TURTLES, EAGLES, BALD EAGLES EVERYWHERE. AND THEY ALL LIVE IN BAYARD.

THE FLORIDA ROCK, THE DUMP TRUCKS ALREADY DESTROYED THE SHOULDER OF 226. I PERSONALLY WITNESSED TWO DUMP TRUCKS NEARLY COLLIDE TURNING INTO THE NEWLY DEVELOPED PLANT.

IMAGINE WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF THIS INDUSTRIAL PROJECT IS EXPLORED AND BRINGS HEAVY TRUCK TRAFFIC THROUGH OUR COMMUNITY.

OUR ROADS WERE NOT BUILT TO HANDLE THIS ABUSE AND THE SAFETY OF PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE SHOULD COME FIRST.

I DON'T HAVE ENOUGH TIME TO SAY WHAT I NEED TO SAY.

THERE IS A BEATEN PATH, YOU HAVE TO GET OFF TO SAFELY PASS A VEHICLE. 226 TO JP HALL BOULEVARD, AS HE WAS TALKING ABOUT, WILL NOT SOLVE THE PROBLEM THEY COME DOWN TO 09, THEY COME DOWN 214, THEY ARE COMING FROM EVERYWHERE.

WE SHOULDN'T HAVE TO WAIT FOR A SERIOUS ACCIDENT TO HAPPEN FOR SOMETHING TO START. I PERSONALLY KNOW HOW DEVELOPMENT CAN CHANGE LAND ADDRESS FOR 1679 SHRED ROAD.

A FARM THAT HAS BEEN IN MY FAMILY SINCE THE EARLY 60S.

>> CAN YOU PULL THE MICROPHONE DOWN?

>> I'M SORRY. GOSH I'M SORRY --

>> THAT'S THE END. >> ANYWAYS MY PROPERTY ON SHRED ROAD WAS FLOODED, D.R. HORTON HAD TO COME IN THERE AND THEY PIPED THROUGH, AND IT WENT STRAIGHT TO A NATURAL FLOWING WATER SOURCE, AND AS SOON AS IT DID THAT, IT FLOODED SHED ROAD AND IT HAS NOT BEEN THE SAME EVER SINCE.

AND I SAY THAT BECAUSE IT'S HAPPENING ON 209 SOUTH RIGHT N NOW. THERE IS PICTURES IN THERE.

THE WATER WAS UP TO MY WINDOW ON MY VEHICLE.

ACROSS FROM THE FLORIDA ROCK WHERE IT GOES INTO ACROSS 209 AND GOES INTO BAYARD, BAYARD ROAD IS FLOODING LIKE NEVER BEFORE. WE HAVE BEEN THERE FOR 50 YEARS, WE KNOW WHEN IT FLOODS AND WHERE IT FLOODS.

THIS IS ALL BRAND NEW. SO I WOULD LIKE TO END IT THIS WAY, WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT MORE THAN THE 86 ACRES BEING CONSIDERED FOR REZONING. WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT IT THE SURROUNDING LAND, WATER LIFE, THE WETLANDS AND NATURAL FLOW OF WATER THROUGHOUT THIS AREA. ONCE WE DAMAGE THESE NATURAL HABITATS OR CHANGE THE WAY THE WATER MOVES THROUGH LAND WE MAY NOT BE ABLE TO UNDO THAT DAMAGE. OUR CONSERVATION AREAS ARE WORTH PROTECTING AND WE SHOULD NOT MOVE FORWARD WITHOUT FULLY UNDERSTANDING THE POTENTIAL CONSEQUENCES TO THE BAYARD CONSERVATION AREA. I ASK YOU TO VOTE NO ON IT.

AND IT IS -- I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR THAT BAYARD -- I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY IT'S NOT IN THE CONSERVATION.

IT STICKS OUT LIKE A SORE THUMB. THE WHOLE ENTIRE PROPERTIES ARE CONSERVATION AROUND IT, IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME BUT

THANK YOU. >> LUKE?

>> LUKE, 5142 COUNTY ROAD 209 SOUTH.

HAVE BEEN RESIDENT THERE FOR 54 YEARS, LOVE BEING OUT THERE, IT IS MY HOME. MATTER OF FACT -- I'M OUT THERE HUNTING THIS WEEK IN THIS AREA. BEAUTIFUL AREA, YOU CANNOT BEAT

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I WANT TO DO MY JUSTICE TO FIGHT FOR WHAT I'VE GOT HERE.

I THINK IF YOU WANT IT TO BE INDUSTRIAL, TAKE IT TO A DIFFERENT -- DON'T BRING IT DOWN TO WHERE WE ARE AT.

WE DON'T NEED IT THERE, I THINK THERE'S OTHER PLACES FOR IT.

IF THEY WANT TO SELL THAT LAND OUT, SELL IT BACK TO WATER MANAGEMENT. THAT WOULD CURE ALL OF OUR PROBLEMS. BUT -- LIKE SHE SAID, THE PICTURES THERE FOR COUNTY ROAD 26, I WAS THERE YESTERDAY.

AND A SEMI TRUCK, HAD TO STOP IN THE MIDDLE OF MY LANE BECAUSE PART OF MY LANE WAS EATEN OUT, I HAD TO RUN THROUGH IT, I LET HIM GO AROUND. I THINK THAT ROAD THERE IS AN ISSUE. IT IS A WELL TRAVELED ROAD, AND FROM THE PICTURES YOU SEE IT IS BEATEN TO DEATH OUT THERE.

IT LOOKS BETTER NOW THAN IT DID TWO MONTHS AGO, THAT PART IS STILL MESSED UP AND WILL BE. I DON'T THINK WE NEEDED A.

I THINK IT SHOULD BE CONSERVATION.

WE NEED TO KEEP OUR LAND HERE, AND I PRAY YOU WOULD SAY NO AGAINST GOING FORWARD WITH THIS ISSUE HERE, THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. KATHY?

GO AHEAD. >> GOOD EVENING, I AM TIM, 115743 COUNTY ROAD 209 SOUTH, 27 YEARS LIVING THERE.

RAISED OUR FOUR KIDS, I WAS A VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTER AT THE LOCAL STATION. IF YOU LOOK AT THOSE MAPS, YOU HAVE TO ZONE OUT AND LOOK FURTHER BACK, A BRIEF GLIMPSE OF THE MAP THAT WAS PASSED OUT, ZONE FURTHER BACK FROM THAT.

FOR THOSE THAT ARE UNFAMILIAR WITH THE AREA, I WILL GIVE YOU A LITTLE PICTURE. DRIVING DOWN 17, TURNING ON TO 209 SOUTH, AND IT GOES DOWN EVENTUALLY TOWARDS THE RIVER.

SO YOU GO DOWN THERE AND ON YOUR RIGHT SIDE ORIGINALLY WHEN WE MOVED THERE IT WAS PASTURE, COWS, FOR ABOUT A MILE.

THEN 226, THAT'S WHEN THE CONSERVATION STARTS.

OVER 10,000 ACRES OF CONSERVATION THAT SPREAD BOTH TO THE EAST AND THE WEST OF 209 SOUTH, AND JUST PAST 226, THE DITCH, THE WOODEN DITCH, IT IS A CREEK.

CONSTANTLY SEE DEER CROSSING, WILDLIFE CROSSING IN THAT AREA.

THAT IS NOT A DITCH. THAT IS A CREEK.

CONSERVATION FROM ONE SIDE OF THE ROAD TO THE OTHER.

TO PUT HEAVY INDUSTRIAL WITHIN -- NESTLED INTO THE CONSERVATION AREA, IT IS LUDICROUS TO ME. EARLIER THIS EVENING WE TALKED ABOUT AN AREA CONTAMINATED WITH POLLUTANT, IT LOOKS LIKE IT WILL NEVER BE CLEARED UP, IT WAS JUST CONTAINED.

AND WE ARE GOING TO IDENTIFY THIS AS HEAVY INDUSTRIAL.

WE DO NOT KNOW SPECIFICALLY WHAT WILL GO IN THERE.

THAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. AND THEN THEY SAY WELL WE WILL HAVE CITY WATER AND CITY SEWAGE GOING THERE.

OKAY, WHAT ABOUT THE NOISE POLLUTION, THE RUNOFF? ALL THE LIGHT POLLUTION THAT WILL AFFECT ALL THOSE ANIMALS? THE WILDLIFE? IT IS GOING TO AFFECT -- AND THAT ROAD GOES DOWN FOR 9 MILES BEFORE YOU GET TO DECOY.

EVERYBODY WHO LIVES UNDER, OVER 150 HOMES JUST ON 209 LET ALONE ALL THE SUBSTRATES THAT GO OFF OF THE HOUSES, THEY HAVE TO GO DOWN TO 09 TO GET OUT TO COME TO TOWN.

I'M NOT GOING TO GO TO 226 THEN TURN RIGHT TO GO UP TO TOWN, I WANT TO GO 209, 17 AND GO TO TOWN.

THAT AFFECTS MY PROPERTY, HAS BEEN A STUDY OF HOW IT WILL AFFECT PROPERTY VALUE? I WAS AT THE LAST PLANNING MEETING WHERE THEY APPROVED IT, BYE BYE THE COMMENT WAS MADE AT THE END -- I SAID NOBODY WANTS TO COME TO YOUR PROPERTY WITH HEAVY INDUSTRIAL ENTERING TOWARDS YOUR HOME.

HE SAID WELL, YEAH, NOBODY WILL LIKE THAT.

AND THEN THEY PASSED IT. IT JUST MAKES NO SENSE TO PUT THAT UNKNOWN CHEMICALS OR INDUSTRIAL, HEAVY INDUSTRIAL

INTO A CONSERVATION AREA. >> CLIN CANCER.

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THANK YOU, SIR. >> MY NAME IS KATIE --

>> CAN YOU PULL THIS MICROPHONE DOWN? CAN YOU MAKE WITH THIS HANDSOME GENTLEMAN.

WE RAISED FOUR CHILDREN, WE HAVE 88 GRANDCHILDREN.

WE HAVE HORSES AND COWS, OUR CHILDREN HAVE HUNTED, THEY HAVE LIVED IN THIS SERENE ENVIRONMENT, EVERYBODY WHO BOUGHT OUT THERE AND STAYED OUT OF THEIR PLANS ON GIVING TO THEIR CHILDREN. YOU KNOW THIS IS SOMETHING WE WANTED TO PASS ON. AND WE HAVE AN AUTISTIC CHILD, THE ONLY PLACE THAT HE CAN LIVE SAFELY WITHOUT DANGER OF CARS AND EVERYTHING ELSE IS ON THE FARM.

AND THIS GENTLEMAN TALKING ABOUT 226, FINE.

WHAT ABOUT BAYARD? BAYARD ACROSS THE STREET -- BAYARD ACROSS THE STREET IS A DIRT ROAD.

IT IS NOT A PAVED ROAD. IT IS A DIRT ROAD THAT HAS BEEN USED BY HUNTERS, HORSEBACK RIDERS.

GOES STRAIGHT INTO CONSERVATION AREA.

I HAVE SOMETHING PLANNED HERE TO SAY BUT I HAD TO SAY THAT BECAUSE HE COMPLETELY IGNORED THE FACT THAT THAT IS A DIRT

ROAD. >> TO THE BOARD --

>> IT'S A MESS FOR YOU. SORRY.

FIRST THING I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS IS THE TRAFFIC ISSUE OUT ON 209 SOUTH PECKHAM IF WE ARE ZONED, HEAVY INDUSTRIAL ZONE, IT IS GOING TO COMPLETELY DESTROY OUR ROAD.

YOU CAN LOOK. THERE ARE PICTURES I GAVE YOU, THE FLOODING THAT HAS HAPPENED SINCE FLORIDA ROCK STARTED LIFTING AND ELEVATING THEIR ROAD, ALL UP THE WATER DRAINING DOWN TO THE 2009. THERE IS A CORNER COMING DOWN 2009. TO DOUBLE MEDIUM BECAUSE IT IS A CORNER, BUT THE WATER GATHERERS, LIKE YOU SAID UP TO THE WINDOWS, SO YOU HAVE TO GO INTO THE OTHER LANDING.

AND THAT IS A CURVE! OTHER CARS COMING CAN'T SEE IT.

WE ARE BASICALLY A HEAD-ON COLLISION WAITING TO HAPPEN ON THAT ROAD, WITH OTHER FLOODING INSTRUCTION HAPPENING.

THEY CAN'T SEE YOU COMING BUT YOU HAVE TO GO AROUND THAT WATER, YOU HAVE TO CROSS THAT DOUBLE MEDIUM.

THE REPORT I READ SAID THAT 64,000 -- 640,000 SQUARE FOOT OF INDUSTRIAL PARK WAS ESTIMATED. AND THAT 640,000 WOULD BRING 200 VEHICLE TRIPS DAILY. WHAT'S ACTUALLY THERE IS 1 MILLION -- 1.8 MILLION SQUARE MILES THAT CAN BE DEVELOPED -- SQUARE METERS THAT CAN BE DEVELOPED.

YOU TAKE THAT 1.8 TIMES -- THE 640,000 TIMES THREE TO MAKE THE 1.8 MILLION, YOU WILL END UP WITH 6400 DAILY TRIPS ON MY ROAD ALONE. AND THAT'S COMPLETELY YOU KNOW KIND OF UNIMAGINABLE. UNIMAGINABLE FOR US.

OUR LITTLE COUNTRY ROAD WAS JUST RESURFACED LESS THAN THREE YEARS OUT, IT'S CRUMBLING, IT HAS POTHOLES, AND THAT'S JUST TRADITIONAL HOMEOWNER TRAFFIC. YOU HAVE MY PICTURES WHERE THE CARS HAVE TO GO INTO THE OTHER LANES, THE DANGER, THE FATALITY, NOBODY WANTS THAT ON THEIR HANDS.

HEAVY INDUSTRIAL ZONING WOULD DESTROY OUR COUNTY ROAD.

2009 RUNS ALONG THE SAINT JOHNS RIVER AND IS A SAFETY CORRIDOR FOR BAYARD CONSERVATION AREA. WE ARE A GENERATIONAL AREA OF

FAMILIES AND SMALL FARMS. >> THANK YOU, MA'AM.

>> REALLY? ANYBODY ELSE HAVE TO SPEAK I HAVE THREE PARAGRAPHS. THANK YOU.

THIS CONSERVATION AREA HAS BEEN POUNDED BY THE EXPRESSWAY, AN ADDITIONAL APPROACH FOR THE HEAVY INDUSTRIAL ZONING PUTTING IN PERIL THE WILDLIFE THAT IS THERE.

>> I HAVE TO FINISH HERE. WE HEARD THAT ALREADY SO.

MARCY KILEY? >> MY NAME IS MARCY KELLY,

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I UNDERSTAND THAT CLAY COUNTY NEEDS TO GROW AND I'M NOT OPPOSED TO RESPONSIBLE DEVELOPMENT BUT THERE IS A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN RESPONSIBLE GROWTH AND CHANGING AGRICULTURAL RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY TO HEAVY INDUSTRIAL.

I HAVE SEEN A TRAFFIC STUDY THAT WAS POSTED -- IT WAS THE CLAY COUNTY FLORIDA NEWS THAT ESTIMATED APPROXIMATELY 2115 VEHICLE TRIPS PER DAY IF THIS GOES THROUGH IN THE DEVELOPMENT.

A FAMILY TRAVELS THIS ROAD DAILY CHILDREN TRAVEL AT, MY GRANDCHILDREN, IT CONCERNS ME. WE HAVE HEARD THIS AREA SITS ALONG THE CONSERVATION PROPERTY, WE HAVE ALL THE WILDLIFE OUT THERE. MY CONCERN IS NOT SIMPLY WHAT WILL HAPPEN NEXT YEAR, BUT WHAT IT WILL LOOK LIKE TEN TO 20 YEARS FROM NOW IF WE OPEN UP THE DOORS TO HEAVY INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT. I AM ASKING YOU TO PROTECT THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN LIVING OUT HERE FOR YEARS, CAREFULLY CONSIDER WHETHER THIS IS TRULY THE RIGHT PLACE TO HAVE INDUSTRIAL ZONING. THERE ARE PLACES WHERE INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT SITS, BUT I DON'T BELIEVE THAT 209 SOUTH

IS ONE OF THEM. >> ANYBODY ELSE? ANYONE ELSE FOR PUBLIC HEARING? YOU CAN COME -- NOBODY ELSE IS COMING HERE COME HE IS THE APPLICANT -- HE HAS TWO --

>> TWO THINGS, ONE, IT'S ALWAYS --

>> PULL YOUR MICROPHONE. >> IT'S NEVER BEEN A PART OF A CONSERVATION AREA. THERE IS A PLAN IN THE DEVELOPMENT, IF YOU SEE THE PLAN, TO PAVE THAT ACROSS ALL THE WAY THROUGH SO THAT ACCESS TO SHED ROAD IS STILL DIRT.

AND 12,000 ACRES OF CONSERVATION -- CAN I ASK RICHARD, I SUSPECTED THOSE PICTURES BECAUSE THEY CAME OUT OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING AREA, I THINK THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT MOST OF THE FLOODING CAN I MAKING THAT BEND WITH THE EXPRESSWAY, RICHARD NO CONVERSATIONS YET ABOUT THAT? OTHER PEOPLE HAVE COMPLAINED THAT 226 WON'T GET ANY BETTER AT ALL UNLESS WE GO IN, IT'LL ONLY GET BEAT EVEN WORSE. WE HAVE A SOLUTION TO WIDEN IT, OTHERWISE IT WILL GET WORSE EVERY DAY.

>> THE D.O.T. WILL DETERMINE -- IT'S MANAGED -- IT IS CONSTRUCTED BY D.O.T. THE DAY AFTER THE STORM, WE HAD A STORM ON OCTOBER FIFTH, IT STARTED RAINING AROUND 6:30, THE NEXT -- MAYBE AROUND SIX, ABOUT 45 MINUTES THERE WAS OVER 5.7 INCHES OF RAIN WHERE WE ARE SITTING TODAY.

ODDLY ENOUGH, NAUGHT .21 INCHES, SAME 24-HOUR PERIOD.

IN THAT 24 HOURS, IT WAS REALLY MORE LIKE A SIX HOUR PERIOD, ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE BRIDGE. SO BAYARD SWAMP GOT A FANTASTIC AMOUNT OF RECHARGE. I'M SAYING THAT TO PREFACE, THE NEXT DAY WE HAD FLOODING ON 2009, UNUSUAL, PEOPLE SAY THEY HAVEN'T SEEN IT THERE, TURNED OUT THAT FLORIDA D.O.T., THEY LOOKED AT THE DESIGN OF THE TURNPIKE, WE GOT AN EMAIL THIS AFTERNOON BASICALLY SAYING THE SYSTEM WORKED, THEY'RE CHECKING THE CAPACITY UNDERNEATH 209 TO THE NORTH OF THE PASS.

WHEN WE THERE THE NEXT DAY, THE PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR AND I, THE POND ON THE DEVELOPED PARCEL UNDER CONSTRUCTION, IT'S NOT OPERATING YET. THERE ARE PONDS THAT ARE FUNCTIONING PROPERLY, THE WATER IN THE DITCH WAS ABOUT TWO-THIRDS OF THE WAY UP, THERE WAS NO FLOODING.

MAYBE 700 FEET TO A THOUSAND FEET SOUTH OF THE UNDERPASS.

STILL THE COUNTY MANAGER AND I WE TOOK SOME PICTURES WITH THE FIRE CHIEF, PROBABLY ONE OF THE MOST SIGNIFICANT THING WE SAW WAS THE RAILROAD. THE RAILROAD WAS BUILT 160 YEARS AGO. THAT WAS CLOSE TO OVERTOPPING.

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WE DID NOT GET AN ANSWER FROM D.O.T.

THEY ARE LOOKING AT IT BUT THEY ARE DOING SOME FURTHER INVESTIGATION. THEY HAVE SINCE CLEANED UP THE DITCH ON 2009, IF ANOTHER STORM COMES IN, OCTOBER FIFTH, THE SWAMP IS FULL. WE WERE VERY FORTUNATE TO, THE RIVER WAS STILL FLOWING, 2/10 OF AN INCH OF RAIN.

10 MILES, 11 MILES UPRIVER, WE GOT 5 INCHES FOR THE NEXT 15 MILES. THE WATER GOT OUT OF THERE.

VERY FORTUNATE. THAT IS MY ANSWER TO THE

FLOODING ISSUE. >> I'LL WRITE I WILL BRING IT BACK TO THE BOARD. -- ALL RIGHT.

QUESTIONS COMMENTS? WE ARE GOING TO EACH ONE OF THESE. 1 ACRE FROM AG TO INDUSTRIAL.

SO HERE ON THE REST OF INDUSTRIAL -- 209 SOUTH -- WHAT IS THE REST THAT IS INDUSTRIAL THERE?

>> NORTHWEST CORNER -- [INAUDIBLE]

>> THAT'S JUST THAT ONE AREA, ANYWHERE ELSE DOWN? IT'S MOSTLY ALL ON 17 CORRECT? I'M SORRY, ONE MORE TIME?

[INAUDIBLE] >> SO ALL THE PURPLE IS INDUSTRIAL? THE GREY PART DOWN?

>> THAT INDUSTRIAL IS 15A, 209 SOUTH, TWO THE LINE.

>> AND ON THIS PROPERTY? >> YES EVERYTHING FROM THIS INTERSECTION NORTH TO 209, 17. WEST SIDE IS INDUSTRIAL, OTHER SIDE WAS CONSERVATION. THE DARK GREEN IS CONSERVATION.

AND AGAIN IF YOU NOTICE 226, THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WITH THE LIMITED FUNDING ON ROAD IMPROVEMENTS WE SPOKE EARLIER, THAT IS NOT A ROAD -- THERE'S NO DRIVEWAYS ON IT, THERE'S NO HOMES ON IT, THERE WILL NOT BE ANY HOMES ON IT AS LONG AS THE ST. JOHN RIVER CONTROLS IT. WE ARE COMPROMISED -- WE COMPROMISE TO IMPROVE IT TO THE JP HALL BOULEVARD LOCATION, THEN TAKE THAT, NO TRUCKS, THE ROAD HAS ACTUALLY BEEN IMPROVED FROM THE RAILWAY TRACK TO THAT FIRSTFIRSTGREY PORTION OF THAT INTERSECTION, IT HAS ALREADY BEEN WIDENED TO 24 FEET.

I THINK THAT IS TITAN INDUSTRIES, THE COMPANY BUILDING THE CONCRETE BEAMS FOR THE BRIDGE.

SO THEY ASKED FOR AND RECEIVED A TEMPORARY CERTIFICATE BEFORE THEY FINISH UP THEIR STUFF. BUT THEY DID FINISH 226 BEFORE

WE GAVE THAT TO THEM. >> SO SOMEBODY'S HUSBAND OUT

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YOU KNOW? >> RIGHT -- CORRECT.

AGAIN IT'S THAT THE FUNDS ARE LIMITED, 953.7 MILES OF PAVED ROAD TO IMPROVE, AND 226 IS -- BELIEVE ME THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WOULD WANT TO, THEY ARE BUILDING A NEW FIRE STATION THERE.

AS IT BECOMES AVAILABLE, WE WILL LOOK AT IT.

BUT RIGHT NOW IT IS -- DON'T TAKE THAT ROAD UNLESS YOU NEED TO. APPARENTLY THERE IS A STORE THAT'S REALLY THE ONLY REASON FOLKS -- YOU TAKE THAT TO GO TO

TOWN, YOU'RE NOT IN A HURRY. >> RICHARD IS THERE -- BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT COULD TAKE IT IF YOU HAVE A SIGN THAT SAYS NO TRUCKS, THEY HAVE COMPLAINED ABOUT TRUCKS GOING SOUTH FROM FLORIDA ROCK NOW TO THE NINE SOUTH DOWN TO DECOY. COULD YOU PUT RIGHT THERE OUT OF THAT 226, COULD YOU PUT A SIGN THAT SAYS NO TRUCKS TO GO SOUTH?

>> THERE'S NOT ONLY NO TRUCKS THERE'S ALSO A WEIGHT LIMIT BRIDGE UP THERE, SO THEY HAVE TO GO DECOY.

BEYOND THAT THERE'S A ONE LANE BRIDGE, 209 POTENTIAL DIRT ROAD DOWN THERE. SO VERY FEW FOLKS GO SOUTH, BUT, YES, WE COULD. WE CAN PUT NO TRUCK TRAFFIC.

>> I KNOW IF I LIVED THERE I WOULD PROBABLY SAY WELL THAT DOESN'T STOP THEM BUT THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE COULD TAKE IT.

>> THERE COULD BE SOME OVER-THE-ROAD TRUCK DRIVERS, I'M NOT SURE IF THERE'S 150 HOMES DOWN THERE, THAT MAY BE CORRECT OR MAYBE EVEN MORE. BUT I DON'T -- THERE IS NO REASON TO GO THAT WAY IF YOU ARE IN A COMMERCE SITUATION.

>> I PERSONALLY DON'T LIKE -- I HAVE MAJOR HEARTBURN OVER IT.

I KNOW WE NEED JOBS, I KNOW WE NEED COMPANIES, BUT I JUST -- I DON'T KNOW. I JUST DON'T LIKE IT.

CAN I MAKE A MOTION. >> I WILL SAY HEAVY INDUSTRIAL IS HARD NO MATTER WHERE YOU PUT IT.

AND WE NEED THIS TYPE OF ZONING TO DRAW INDUSTRY.

THERE'S A RAILROAD THERE. OTHER THAN BEING A CONSERVATION PLAN IT'S ALMOST A PERFECT PL PLACE.

CONTINUOUS RIGHT ACROSS THE INTERSECTION.

IT'S HARD, I UNDERSTAND. >> MOTION TO DENY? IF THERE IS NO SECOND THEN MY MOTION FAILED.

ANYONE ELSE? >> I STILL DON'T KNOW WHERE I STAND ON THE MOTION RIGHT NOW. THIS IS A VERY, VERY TOUGH ONE FOR THE RESIDENTS THAT CAME AND SPOKE LISTEN, I APPRECIATE IT.

IT'S -- THE TOUGHEST PART OF THIS JOB IS...

THE BALANCE. ESPECIALLY TONIGHT'S MEETING WE TALKED SO MUCH ABOUT THE NEED FOR COMMERCIAL.

COMMISSIONER RENNINGER YOU MAKE A GREAT POINT, THERE'S VERY

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THAT'S WHERE THE INDUSTRIAL IS. IT'S INTO THIS INTERSECTION.

WHICH YOU KNOW, AS A COUNTY COMMISSIONER WHAT YOUR GOAL SHOULD BE IS TO NOT HAVE THIS HERE AND THAT THERE, AND THAT THERE, YOU SHOULD BE THIS IS WHERE INDUSTRIAL IS, THIS IS WHERE RESIDENTIAL IS ET CETERA. TO PREVENT I GUESS THE SPOT ZONING WHEN YOU'RE DOING IT THE WRONG WAY.

THE BIG ELEPHANT FOR ME IS WHY IS IT NOT CONSERVATION, AND INSTEAD IT'S NEVER BEEN, COR CORRECT?

>> I MEAN -- IT'S JUST A LITTLE POINT CONNECTED TO THE OTHER

INDUSTRIAL. >> IT'S AN INTERSECTION, IT'S A

FOUR WAY RIGHT? >> A FOUR WAY INTERSECTION, 226.

>> 226 WOULD BE A FOUR WAY STOP, AND WOULD BE PAVED ACROSS TO BALLARD ROAD. ANYBODY THAT ACCESSES IT, WOULD STILL BE ABLE TO GO DOWN THE 4 MILES OF DIRT ROAD THAT BALLARD IS. AND BALLARD GOES INTO THE CONSERVATION. THERE IS A ROAD THERE NOW, DIRT ROAD. AND THEN YOU GOT AGAIN 12,000 ACRES OF CONSERVATION WHEN THERE IS NO -- I GUESS THE FOREST UP THERE HAS THAT MUCH BUT, IT WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT MORE ACCESSIBLE BECAUSE THE ROAD WOULD LINE UP AND HAVE A FOUR WAY STOP. PROBABLY PULL OUT ONTO THAT AREA AND COME TO A FOUR WAY STOP FROM THE EAST.

THAT'S ALL PART OF THE PLAN THAT WILL SAY WE WILL DO THAT.

AND WIDEN AND IMPROVE TO 26. >> WHEN THERE IS A PUBLIC ROAD WE DO HAVE AN AGREEMENT WITH SAINT JOHNS RIVER WATER DISTRICT, THEY PAY US TO MAINTAIN IT.

THAT IS A PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT.

>> THERE WAS FLOODING. GOING ALL THE WAY DOWN TO WHERE THE SIGNS REIMPOSE, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S PUBLIC OR NOT BUT THE SIGNS INDICATE THEY DON'T LIVE THERE.

IT DIDN'T FEEL LIKE YOU COULD EITHER GO RIDE YOUR HORSE OR GET PAST THERE. AND THERE WAS ONE OTHER SMALL AREA WHERE WE PUT SIGNS UP. BUT WE DO MAINTAIN IT WITH PAYMENT, WITH COMPENSATION FROM THE WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT.

THEY USE IT FOR THEIR ACCESS. >> ON 17 THERE IS NO OTHER AREAS

FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS? >> 17 NO OTHER WWWDOT?

>> 17, OUT FROM THIS AREA TO 17 ARE THERE NO OTHER AREAS?

>> 17, 17 NORTH, 15A GOES FROM 17 SOUTH, GOES INTO THE CITY OF

GREEN COVE -- >> IT'S NOT INDUSTRIAL NOW --

>> IT'S ALL INDUSTRIAL. >> NO PROPERTIES OR SOMETHING

LIKE THIS COULD GO? >> THIS HOME AT 708 BAY YARD IS ABOUT THREE QUARTERS OF A MILE FROM THE CLOSEST PROPERTY.

SAINT JOHNS RIVER WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT CHANGES THEIR LINE WILL REMAIN AS IS I ASSUME.

IT IS A VERY IMPORTANT TO RECHARGE FROM ALL THE DRAINAGE.

FROM DUPONT LINE TO KINGSWAY, ALL THAT WATER COMES THIS WAY.

IT IS A GREAT PLACE FOR IT TO CLEAR OUT AND CLEAN UP.

WE DON'T WANT IT DOWN ON THE RIVER, WE LIKE IT LIKE IT IS.

>> ON 17? >> ON 17 AS YOU GO FURTHER SOUTH, GOVERNOR'S PARK GOES DOWN TO LINO ROAD AND THEN DOWN TO WARNER ROAD THAT IS STUFF OUT THERE THAT IS INDUSTRIAL.

AND A WALDEN COURT HAS -- >> THAT'S NOT UTILITIES.

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>> THEY DON'T HAVE UTILITIES? >> THEY DON'T HAVE WATER AND SEWER THEY HAVE ELECTRIC. ONE OF THE PROBLEMS IS AGAIN THE ARCHITECTURE, THEY HAD TO BUILD A HUGE POND -- THERE'S NO UTILITIES DOWN TO THERE. GOING BACK TO THE POINT I OPENED UP WITH, YOU WERE GOING TO BE ASKED TO TAKE OUT -- WHETHER YOU'RE GOING TO DO IT OR NOT, COULD TAKE OUT COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL. THE ONLY INDUSTRIAL IN WORLDS AND RIGHT NOW, -- WALTON -- SOME LIGHT INDUSTRIAL AT THE FAR SOUTH END, AND THE YEAR THAT YOU PUT ON THAT SCHEDULE IS 2050.

SO BETWEEN NOW AND THEN, ALL THE WAY SOUTH, WHEREVER YOU GOT UTILITIES, YOU'VE GOT HOUSES. YOU DON'T HAVE -- YOU WILL HAVE RETAIL, UNDER THE JOBS THAT COME WITH RETAIL, AND HAMBURGERS AND

HOTELS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. >> THE ONLY PROPERTY THAT HAS

BEEN THERE IS 2050? >> OF THEIRS.

>> MY UNDERSTANDING IS THEY'RE GIVING UP INDUSTRIAL FOR MORE

COMMERCIAL. >> COMMERCIAL.

>> THEY ARE LOOKING --

>> THERE IS ANOTHER INDUSTRIAL PARK COMING UP CALCULATE INDUSTRIAL NOW, HEAVY INDUSTRIAL THERE'S A LINE GOING THROUGH IT.

AND DOWN THERE, IN ALL ACTUALITY, PLACES LIKE -- OKAY SO... VULCAN VULCAN WENT WITH INLAND -- THIS PARCEL WE ARE TALKING ABOUT, IT IS CLOSE.

IF YOU WANT TO TRUCK ACROSS YOU CAN DO IT BUT IT DID NOT MAKE SENSE FOR THEM TO OFF-LOAD HEAVY MATERIALS.

SIT DOWN ON WARNER ROAD, IF YOU COME UP, WARNER ROAD HAS 400 ACRES, THAT THE NEW ZONE -- IT HAS A RAIL LINE RIGHT TO THE MIDDLE OF IT. THEY HAVE 40 AND 50-ACRE PARCELS, GOING FROM LIGHT INDUSTRIAL TO HEAVY INDUSTRIAL.

MOST OF THE TIME HEAVY INDUSTRIAL DOES NOT MEAN WATER AND SEWER. THAT'S WHAT MAKES THIS PIECE FINE BECAUSE EVEN IN TALKING WITH SCOTT LAST WEEK, THEY WOULD LIKE TO WORK OUT AN AGREEMENT, THEY CAN PROVIDE AND GET IT HALF WAY DOWN 70 -- 209 NOW. THEY WILL PROVIDE WATER AND SEWER. THAT MEANS PLACES THAT COME FOR DISTRIBUTION, YOU HAVE OFFICES, MANUFACTURING AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. ANYWHERE ELSE, YOU DON'T HAVE WATER AND SEWER. AND THAT'S WHY IT WON'T GO DOWN 17TH. IF YOU LOOK AT AGAIN THE OTHER TWO MAJOR INDUSTRIAL PARKS THAT YOU ARE SIGNED OFF ON, THEY HAVE BEEN MUCH MORE SURROUNDED BY HOMES, 15A, YOU KNOW THAT HEAVY TRUCK TRAFFIC WILL BE CRAZY UP AND DOWN 15A.

KEEP REITERATING NOBODY BELIEVES IT BUT TRUCKS -- IF TRUCKS ARE COMING UP AND DOWN 209 RIGHT NOW, SOMEBODY HAS A DIRT PIT DOWN THERE, SELLING DIRT TO THE BRIDGE OR WHATEVER AND SOMEBODY'S TRUCKING UP AND DOWN. THERE IS NO COMMERCIAL DOWN THERE. IT'S JUST HOUSES, HORSES AND

COWS AND IT'S GREAT. >> THAT'S HOW THEY WANT US TO

KEEP IT. >> AND THAT'S THE UNIQUE THING ABOUT THIS, THIS DOESN'T CHANGE THAT AN IOTA.

THIS IS THE CLOSEST PIECE WITH WATER AND SEWER TO GET TO THAT INTERSTATE, THERE IS NOTHING THAT IS GOING TO CHANGE.

I KNOW YOU DON'T. AND YOU WILL NEVER GOING TO GET

IT. >> ALL RIGHT.

>> I'M SORRY. THE CITY AGREED THAT THEY WOULD

BRING WATER AND SEWER. >> MADAM CHAIR CAN I ADD ANOTHER PIECE OF INFORMATION, FOR INDUSTRIAL LOCATED NEXT TO CONSERVATION AND PASSIVE RECREATION IT REQUIRES A 30 CURRENT TYPE C BUFFER AND IT REQUIRES A 6-FOOT MASONRY WALL OR A 75-FOOT UNDISTURBED BUFFER. SO IT'S NOT JUST INDUSTRIAL.

THERE HAS TO BE A BUFFER TOO. >> ARE THERE ANY HOUSES NORTH OF THE INTERSECTION, OR IS IT JUST INDUSTRIAL AND CONSERVATION?

>> I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S ANYTHING NORTH.

LET'S GO BACK TO THAT OTHER MAP. THE CLOSEST IS GOING TO BE OVER

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UNDERNEATH BUSH CREEK WHERE IT SAYS THAT TEXT.

NETWORKS. >> ENTERTAIN A MOTION?

>> THIS FALLS INTO THE CATEGORY OF I DON'T WANT TO DO IT BUT OUR JOB IS FOR THE GREATER GOOD OF THE COUNTY.

THE IMPACT HERE IS GOING TO IMPACT RESIDENTS, I DON'T DOUBT THAT ONE BIT. BUT THE FEWEST OF ANY PLACE ELSE IN THE COUNTY THAT WE COULD PUT SOMETHING.

I WILL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE -- ONE AT A TIME OR? OKAY, WHAT ARE WE DOING? COMP LINE 20?

MOTION TO APPROVE 26-0020? >> AYE.

>> AYE. >> I HAVE A MOTION.

>> I SECOND. >> MOTION AND SECOND, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE? OPPOSED?

>> I SAID NO. >> IT FAILED 2-3.

>> I HAVEN'T SAID ANYTHING ABOUT MY CONCERN ACTUALLY IS WATER.

THE WATER MANAGEMENT, RICHARD TALKED ABOUT IT, THIS IS PART OF THE WATERSHED -- THIS BAYARD CONSERVATION WAS INTENTIONALLY BOUGHT BY THE ST. JOHN'S WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT BECAUSE IT IS WHERE THE WATERSHED FROM BLACK CREEK, SOUTH PART OF BLACK CREEK AND ALL THE UNDERGROUND THAT COME OUT DOWN TO MY AREA.

WHERE IT IS TRYING TO RECHARGE, IT IS ALL PART OF THE SAME WATER. I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE HEAVY INDUSTRIAL AND THAT CONTAMINATION OF THAT LOCATION.

THAT'S JUST WHERE I -- >> THERE IS NO POINT FOR THE ZONING BUT I THINK WE JUST NEED TO SAY THAT LET US CE, G AND I IF IT WAS THE SAME MOTION. FOR ALL THE COMP PLANS.

>> C,E, D, I? >> IS THERE STILL A MOTION?

>> I WOULD HAVE TO MOVE TO APPROVE AND THE VOTES WOULD HAVE TO REFLECT THE SAME. SO I SECOND HIS FIRST.

>> OKAY, SO ARE WE HAVING TO WALK BACK A?

>> NO, A A FAILED SO THERE'S NO POINT DOING THE ZONING THE QUESTION IS FOR C, IS THERE A MOTION?

TO APPROVE OR DENY? >> WE ARE SAYING THE SAME THING.

>> SO IN THEORY WOULDN'T IT ALSO BE TRUE THAT THE MAJORITY COULD MOVE TO DENY AND IT'D STILL BE A 3-2 VOTE? DO ONE OF YOU WANT TO MOVE TO DENY?

>> WE ALREADY DID. >> AND IT FAILED.

>> A. -- NOW THERE HAS BEEN A DISCUSSION AND YOU MOVE ON TO C, EACH COMP PLAN -- SO THERE IS COULD IT BE THE MOTION TO

APPROVE OR THE MOTION TO DENY. >> ALL THE COMP?

>> YOU CAN DO ALL OF THEM. >> I MOVE TO DENY.

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>> C. >> LET IT BE, E, G, I.

MOVE TO DENY. >> SECOND THE MOTION.

AND I HAVE TO SAY, MA'AM, I AM SORRY, I KNOW YOU'RE SHAKING YOUR HEAD. I LIKE INDUSTRIAL AND I NORMALLY VOTE FOR COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL. JUST THIS LOCATION WORRIES ME.

AND FLORIDA ROCK OR WHOEVER IT IS OVER THERE, I JUST -- IT DID CHANGE THINGS. WE JUST RESURFACED THIS TWO YEARS AGO, THE ROAD IS NOT HOLDING UP WELL, I DO NOT KNOW WHY. AND IT JUST -- I AGREE, WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE WHOLE COUNTY. WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE WHOLE COUNTY OVERALL, AND THE CURRENT CLIMATE.

IT IS A DIFFICULT SITUATION. I LOOK AT THAT, WITH AMENDMENT THREE PASSING, I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU SAID, THIS IS ONE PROPERTY UP HERE I HAVE NO IDEA WITH THIS DISTRIBUTION CENTER LLC IS, BUT IT HAS A $40 MILLION VALUE. IN THE VEIN THAT THE CITIZENS DON'T WANT TO PAY PROPERTY TAXES, COMMERCIAL PAYS PROPERTY TAXES. BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY -- LOOK MY DEGREE IS IN ENVIRONMENTAL SCIENCE, I HAVE DONE WORK IN ENVIRONMENTAL WORK FOR OVER 30 YEARS.

I DON'T REALLY WANT YOU ALL TO KNOW MY AGE.

[CHUCKLING] BUT I HAVE.

AND TO PROTECT THE ENVIRONMENT AND THE WATER IS IMPORTANT.

AND I THINK THERE COULD BE A RISK THERE.

I APPRECIATE THE 75-FOOT BUFFER AND THE WALL, I JUST CAN'T GET THERE ON THE HEAVY INDUSTRIAL. COULD I GO LIGHT INDUSTRIAL? MAYBE. THAT'S VERY DIFFERENT.

LIGHT INDUSTRIAL IS VERY DIFFERENT.

HEAVY INDUSTRIAL DOES CONCERN ME.

I GOT WATER AND SEWER AND ALL, AND THE SURFACE...

>> MADAM CHAIR, I APOLOGIZE, I THINK I APOLOGIZE -- FOR ME IT'S IF I'M NOT 100%, I CAN'T GO FOR IT AND THAT'S WHERE I'M AT.

I DON'T KNOW IF I NEED MORE TIME, I HAVEN'T MET -- IT'S NOT MY DISTRICT, THERE WEREN'T MORE CONVERSATION, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WOULD HAVE HELPED OR NOT. I'M JUST NOT A THOUSAND% CONFIDENT AND IF I'M NOT THEN I WILL NOT SUPPORT IT.

BECAUSE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES. I HAVE SEEN A LOT OF TIMES OVER THE PAST TWO YEARS WHERE THERE'S UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES SOMETIMES. I'M NOT WILLING TO RISK IT.

THAT'S WHY I CANNOT SUPPORT IT RIGHT NOW.

>> WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE DENIAL SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED? 3-2 FOR DENIAL. THAT'S IT FOR THAT ONE? THANK YOU TO EVERYONE. ALL RIGHT NUMBER 22 PUBLIC

[22. Public Hearing for the purpose of considering the entry into a Purchase and Sale Agreement for the purchase by the County of real property necessary for the Long Bay SUN Trail, more particularly described as a portion of Tax Parcel No. 02-05-24-005927-010-01, and authorization for the County Manager to execute all documents necessary to close the acquisition (C. Risinger/R. Smith)]

-- LONG BAY TRAIL. >> COUNTY REAL ESTATE MANAGER.

ITEM 22, AN AGREEMENT FOR THE PORTION OF THE PROPERTY, 1790 LONG BAY ROAD, NOTED AS PRICE OF 101 ON THE REFERENCE MAP, LOCATED ON THE WEST SIDE OF LONG BAY WAY, AS MENTIONED NEEDED FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF SUN TRAIL. IT'LL BE AN EXTENSION OF THE TRAIL, SOUTH ON LONG BAY ROAD TO BLEND IN AND EVENTUALLY GO INTO THE PARK. THIS PORTION IS 750 SQUARE FEET, IT'S THE ENTRANCE TO THE RESIDENCE WITH A PURCHASE PRICE OF $937.50. THE OWNER WAS OFFERED THE OPPORTUNITY TO DONATE THE PORTION FOR THE COUNTY FOR THE PROJECT BUT DECLINED. I ALSO WANT TO SAY THIS IS FOR THE ITEM THAT IS COMING IN IN 23, UNDER A SEPARATE AGREEMENT BECAUSE THE PARCELS ARE UNDER DIFFERENT LLCS.

FOR THE PROJECT THERE'S THREE ADDITIONAL PIECES NEEDED, INCLUDING THE PIECE IN 23. THE ESTIMATED TOTAL FOR THE LAND

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QUESTIONS? >> I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS -- JUST WANT TO LET THE BOARD KNOW THAT THESE PARCELS HAD PREVIOUS ENFORCEMENT, MANY, MANY FINES, PRIOR TO OUR TIME.

AND THE PREVIOUS OWNER WAS THE MOTHER OF THE CURRENT OWNER -- A LOT OF CODE ENFORCEMENT PROBLEMS ALL OVER THE COUNTY.

NOT WELL -- DID NOT MAINTAIN THE PROPERTIES WELL.

BUT I HAVE TO SAY THAT AT A TIME WHEN THERE WAS A CHANGE OF OWNERSHIP, THERE WAS ALMOST $90,000 IN CODE ENFORCEMENT FINES PAID TO THE COUNTY. SO I APPRECIATE -- I QUESTIONED IT, I SHARED IT WITH YOU TO LET YOU KNOW THAT WE HAVE THAT CLEARED UP WITHOUT GETTING A LIEN REDUCTION BECAUSE I WASN'T GOING TO AGREE TO A SALE -- IF THE COUNTY HAD DONE SOMETHING NICE FOR THE OWNER THAT THEN AGREED TO SELL AT THAT RATE.

I ALSO WANTED YOU TO KNOW THAT THAT HAD HAPPENED AND IT WAS ALL CLEARED UP, IF ANYBODY REMEMBERED HEARING ABOUT THAT PROPERTY HAVING CODE ENFORCEMENT ISSUES, THERE WERE ALL KINDS OF ISSUES. FOR THE REASON WHY WE NEEDED THIS FOR THE SUN TRAIL, BECAUSE OF THE MONEY WE HAVE BEEN GIVEN FOR THE SUN TRAIL, REALLY KIND OF NEEDING TO GET THESE PROPERTIES CORRECT. AND THERE WERE THREE MORE AFTER

THIS? >> THREE MORE INCLUDING 23.

IF WE AGREED TO PURCHASE THE ONE FOR TONIGHT THERE WOULD BE TWO MORE AND STILL HAVE TO GET TO TS TO THE BOARD.

>> OPEN TO PUBLIC HEARING. ANYONE? CLOSED THE PUBLIC HEARING, BACK TO THE BOARD FOR A MOTION.

>> I MOVE. >> SECOND.

>> MOTION AND SECOND, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE?

[23. Public Hearing for the purpose of considering the entry into a Purchase and Sale Agreement for the purchase by the County of real property necessary for the Long Bay SUN Trail, more particularly described as a portion of Tax Parcel No. 02-05-24-005927-010-02, and authorization for the County Manager to execute all documents necessary to close the acquisition (C. Risinger/R. Smith)]

23? >> ITEM 23 IS THE PURCHASING SALE FOR THE NEIGHBORING PORTION OF THE -- AT THE NEIGHBORING PARCEL I SHOULD SAY. THIS PORTION IS MUCH LARGER, 16,754 SQUARE FEET, PURCHASE PRICE IS 22,500.

THIS IS A LINEAR SECTION, 25 FEET WIDE.

>> OPEN TO PUBLIC HEARING. CLOSED TO PUBLIC HEARING.

BACK TO THE BOARD FOR A MOTION? >> APPROVAL.

>> ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE? ANY OPPOSED? PASSES 5-0. THANK YOU SO MUCH.

[24. Bid Opening Tabulation for October 16, 2026 (J. Loos):A. RFQ No. 25/26-115, Clay County Pavement Assessment]

BID OPENING TABULATION FOR OCTOBER 16TH, CLAY COUNTY PAVEMENT ASSESSMENT. SECOND PUBLIC COMMENT.

ANYBODY LIKE TO SPEAK? [LAUGHTER] YOU ARE. YOU LOVE TO HEAR YOU SPEAK STEVEN. [LAUGHTER] ALL RIGHT. CLOSED TO PUBLIC COMMENT.

[COUNTY ATTORNEY]

COUNTY ADJOURNMENT? >> THE ONLY ITEM IS TO BE RECEIVED NOTIFICATION LATE LAST WEEK AND THEN AGAIN EARLY THIS WEEK THAT THERE ARE POTENTIALLY TWO NEW OPIOID SETTLEMENTS COMING IN, SO I WILL BE BRINGING THOSE TO YOU WHEN WE RECEIVE THE

[COUNTY MANAGER]

DOCUMENTS. >> OKAY.

COUNTY MANAGER? COMMISSIONER, TWO ITEMS, A BIG THANK YOU OUT TO STAFF, CONSTITUTIONALS THAT CAME FOR OUR BUDGET EXERCISE AND I ESPECIALLY WANT TO THANK TROY AND JANE, THEY DID SUCH A GREAT JOB PUTTING IT ALL TOGETHER AND MAKING A FANTASTIC BRIEF. SECOND THING, WISHING YOU ALL A HAPPY HALLOWEEN AS IT COMES UP TO SATURDAY.

I STRESS PEOPLE SHOULD BE SAFE OBVIOUSLY WITH THE LITTLE ONES OUT OF THEIR, WEARING REFLECTIVE CLOTHING.

MAKE SURE YOU CHECK THE CANDY. IF YOU WANT TO GO TO SOME VERY SAFE EVENTS GO TO EXPLORE CLAY.COM, THURSDAY 6-8, THERE'S A PUMPKIN FESTIVAL FRIDAY 4-ALITY, AND THEN FRIDAY 5-8.

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AND THEN BOO ON THE BOULEVARD, 6-9:00 P.M.

THERE'S EVEN MORE THAN THAT, I JUST GAVE A SMIDGE OF IT.

YOU CAN GO TO OUR EVENTS ON EXPLORE CLAY.COM.

SOME OF THEM CHARGE SOMETHING, A LOT OF THEM ARE FREE.

[COMMISSIONER COMMENTS]

THANK YOU. >> ALL RIGHT.

>> WE ALREADY MENTIONED A FEW THINGS, EARLY VOTING STILL OPEN SO GET OUT THERE TO VOTE. AND I GUESS WE CAN BLAME TROY IF REFERENDUM THREE PASSES OR DOESN'T PASS -- [LAUGHTER] TOMORROW, HABITAT FOR HUMANITY 50TH ANNIVERSARY IN CLAY COUNTY, 1259 TOWN CENTER BOULEVARD.

I EXPECT YOU TO BE THERE WITH A HAMMER IN HAND I GUESS.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO.

NOVEMBER IS TO CELEBRATE VETERANS MONTH.

MOST PUBLIC BUILDINGS WILL BE LIT UP IN GREEN, THAT'S WHAT IT'S ALL ABOUT. AND ON THE 14TH OF NOVEMBER, TELLING YOU NOW THE VETERANS COUNCIL 5K, I PLAN TO RUN, EXCEPT TOOK THE SATURDAY TO DO INTERVIEWS FOR THE MILITARY ACADEMY SELECTION SO I WILL NOT BE THERE.

>> YOU WERE GOING TO RUN? >> I WAS GOING TO.

INTERVIEWING HIGH SCHOOL GRADUATES WHO WANT TO BE IN THE MILITARY. THAT'S ALL I HAVE, THANK YOU.

>> HATS OFF TO STAFF PULLING TOGETHER OUR 250 EVENT A COUPLE OF WEEKS BACK, AND A SPECIAL THANK YOU TO HOWARD.

HE IS ALWAYS GIVING HIS TEAM THE PRAISE, ALL THE CREDIT FOR WHAT THEY DO, AND THAT'S WHAT A GOOD LEADER DOES.

BUT I WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THE SUPPORT THAT THEY GET FROM THE COUNTY MANAGER TO PULL THIS TOGETHER AND IT WAS A REALLY BEAUTIFUL EVENT. SO THANK YOU HOWARD FOR ALL THAT YOU DO TO SUPPORT YOUR TEAM AND PULLING SOMETHING LIKE THAT TOGETHER. SECOND THING, THANK YOU TO THE BUDGET STAFF, I SAW MJ HAD TO LEAVE, BUT MJ AND EVERYBODY WHO SUPPORTS THEM AND GETTING US THE INFORMATION THAT WE NEED, I'M JUST GRATEFUL THAT WE ARE HAVING THOSE CONVERSATIONS PUBLICLY, SO THAT NO ONE CAN SAY THAT THEY WERE NOT INFORMED.

WE HAVE DONE OUR BEST. I REMEMBER ONE OF MY CONSTITUENTS CAME TO A MEETING A FEW WEEKS AGO AND WAS ASKING WHEN WE WERE PLANNING TO HAVE A WORKSHOP OR SHARE ABOUT THE IMPACTS AND HE DID NOT KNOW THEN THAT WE HAD ALREADY STARTED THAT PUSH, IT'S ALL OVER SOCIAL MEDIA, SPECIFICALLY THE CLAY COUNTY PAGE, DATING BACK TO JUNE OF THIS YEAR, WERE THOSE IMPACTS COULD BE. AND SO I AM JUST GLAD IT WASN'T JUST COUNTY STAFF PULLING SOMETHING TOGETHER TODAY IT WAS ALSO OUR CONSTITUTIONAL SHARING A LITTLE BIT OF HOW THIS WOULD HAVE IMPACTED THEM. ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT AS MUCH, SECOND AND THIRD, WERE THOSE EFFECTS.

I'M JUST GRATEFUL WE ARE BEING TRANSPARENT AND OPEN ABOUT THESE THINGS. SO THANK YOU TO STAFF FOR PULLING THAT TOGETHER THAT TAKES A LOT OF EFFORT.

AND THEN HONORABLE MENTION, LEADERSHIP HERE, COMMISSIONER BURKE, YOU ASKED US AT THE LAST MEETING WHETHER WE WERE INTERESTED IN MOVING IN THAT DIRECTION.

SO THANK YOU FOR TAKING THAT ON THE CHIN.

PARTICULARLY KIND TO YOU ALL THE TIME ABOUT THIS.

IT TAKES TREMENDOUS LEADERSHIP TO TAKE THAT STEP FORWARD SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR THOUGHTS AND CONSIDERATIONS ON THAT FRONT.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE TONIGHT, THANK YOU.

>> A COUPLE OF THINGS, FIRST THE CLAY COUNTY 250 EVENT, IT WAS INTERESTING WHEN WE GOT TO SIGN THE PROCLAMATION, I THOUGHT TO MYSELF, THIS IS THE FIRST EVER 250 PROCLAMATION IN CLAY COUNTY HISTORY. IT IS ACTUALLY HISTORIC.

A LEVEL OF IMPORTANCE THAT IS UP TO DEBATE BUT THE FACT THAT IT IS A HISTORIC DOCUMENT OF THIS MOMENT IN TIME AND THIS COMMUNITY WAS AWESOME. IT WAS REALLY COOL.

I'M HAPPY TO CELEBRATE THAT WITH ALL OF YOU, I THINK IT'LL BE COOL. HOPEFULLY WHEN I HAVE GRANDKIDS ONE DAY I CAN GO BACK AND SAY IT'S SOMEWHERE ON THE WALL YOU

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BUT IT WAS GREAT TO HEAR UPDATES OF JACKSONVILLE AND ST. JOHN'S, I GAVE A PRETTY STRONG PLUG THAT CLAY IS THE BEST OF THE TRIANGLE THERE. I GUESS IT WAS LAST WEEKEND OR THE WEEKEND BEFORE, GOT TO ATTEND THE HISTORIC AIR SHOW IN JACKSONVILLE, GOT TO TAKE MY SON AND SISTER AND HUSBAND WITH US.

JUST A HUGE CONGRATULATIONS TO THE COMMUNITY OFFICER DEXTER, IN JACKSONVILLE, FOR PROBABLY ONE OF THE LARGEST EVENTS I HAVE EVER ATTENDED IN NORTHEAST FLORIDA.

THERE WERE SO MANY PEOPLE. I FELT LIKE I WAS IN THE SAFEST PLACE IN AMERICA. IT WAS A VERY STRONG VETTING PROCESS TO BE ON THE BASE, GET ON THE FLIGHT LINE.

VERY COOL. I HAVE NEVER SEEN THE THUNDERBIRDS IN PERSON, I NEVER KNEW AN F-16 IS ACTUALLY A MORE POWERFUL ENGINE THAN AN F-18, CORRECT? SINGLE ENGINE. REALLY COOL EVENT FOR THE REGION, IT WAS GOOD, ALSO THE SAME WEEKEND AS THE FALL FESTIVAL CASINO OUR SECOND LARGEST TOURISM EVENT, I GOT TO GO TO THAT SUNDAY, WITH MY FAMILY AS WELL.

SO CONGRATULATIONS TO THE TOWN, YOU DID IT AGAIN.

COMMISSIONER CONDON MENTIONED THIS EARLIER, I THINK THIS IS VITAL TO THE FUTURE OF CLAY COUNTY, WE ARE CURRENTLY WORKING WITH STAFF TO REWRITE OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.

THERE HAS BEEN SO MANY TIMES IF YOU WATCH REZONINGS YOU SEE THAT THERE'S NEVER A CLEAR CUT ANSWER, WHICH I DON'T THINK THAT A FULL REWRITE IS GOING TO DO THAT BUT IT WILL DEFINITELY GIVE US BETTER GUARDRAILS AND -- TO TELL ALL OF YOU IN MY BRIEF, I TOLD THEM THINGS THAT WERE IMPORTANT TO ME ARE STORMWATER PROTECTIONS. ONE OF THE THINGS I HEAR FROM RESIDENTS IS MY HOUSE WAS FINE UNTIL SAID DEVELOPMENT WAS BUILT. PUTTING INTO THE STRONGEST STORMWATER PROTECTIONS FOR NEW DEVELOPMENT, OBVIOUSLY DOESN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO DO WITH IMPACT TO MOBILITY FEES, BUT WE HEARD THE RESIDENTS LOUD AND CLEAR, DEVELOPMENT NEEDS TO PAY FOR ITSELF. ANYTHING WE CAN DO IN THE LBC TO DO THAT IT IS SOMETHING THAT I SUPPORT.

JUST WANTED TO THROW THAT OUT THERE.

THERE WAS A VERY UNFORTUNATE SITUATION THIS PAST WEEK AT THE INTERSECTION OF THIS BOULEVARD, THERE WAS A STUDENT THAT WAS HIT ON AN E-BIKE SCOOTER. WE AS A COMMISSION, I COMMEND COMMISSIONER RENNINGER WHO SPEARHEADED THIS WITH THE EDUCATION TEAM ABOUT E-BIKES, WE HAVE TO CONTINUE TO EDUCATE.

THE INTERSECTION WHERE THIS STUDENT WAS HIT IS A FOUR WAY STOP. IT IS A FOUR WAY STOP AND I DON'T KNOW, RICHARD CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THERE IS NOT A MORE SAFE TRAFFIC PATTERN THAN STOPPING IN ALL DIRECTIONS.

I CAN TELL YOU THAT ONE OF MY PROUDEST MOMENTS IN THE LAST TWO YEARS IS WE IMPLEMENTED EAGLE HARBOR A THREE WAY STOP WHERE WE WERE HAVING SIGNIFICANT PEDESTRIAN ISSUES.

THAT WORKED FANTASTIC. I THINK THE RESIDENTS IN MY COMMUNITY ARE OVER THE MOON. IT IS MUCH SAFER.

BUT WHEN SOMEBODY GETS HIT AT A FOUR WAY STOP, THE ONLY THING THAT I CAN THINK OF IS YOU HAVE TO AS A COMMUNITY, CONTINUE TO BE BETTER. HAVE TO EDUCATE PARENTS, EDUCATE KIDS, DRIVERS, UNDERSTAND WHEN SCHOOL ZONES ARE -- THE BIGGER PIECE RICHARD, I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION AND I'M SORRY.

I WILL FINISH IT UP. CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG WE'VE HAD THIS DISCUSSION, A CLOSED LOOP ONTO THIS, PEDESTRIANS ARE NOT LEGALLY ALLOWED TO RIDE SOMETHING IN A CROSSWALK,

CORRECT? >> CORRECT.

>> AND YOU CANNOT RUN THROUGH A CROSSWALK.

[LAUGHTER] >> YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO GET OFF

YOUR BICYCLE AND WALK. >> YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO GET OFF OF THE BIKE AND WALK ACROSS THAT IS SOMETHING AS I AM IN THE COMMUNITY I SEE TIME AND TIME, KIDS JUST RIDE RIGHT THROUGH -- ADULTS EVEN RIDE THEIR BIKE RIDE THROUGH.

I WILL TRY TO TAKE MY PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY HERE, KIND OF THE

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I WILL BE POSTING ON MY OWN PERSONAL SOCIAL MEDIA ABOUT TIPS ON HOW TO DO THAT. I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT.

IF WE CAN WORK TOGETHER -- I REACHED OUT TO THE SCHOOL BOARD CHAIR ERIN SKIPPER TO HOPEFULLY PARTNER WITH HER, SLOW YOUR ROLL, TAKE A STROLL, CROSSWALK GET OFF YOUR BIKE AND WALK IT ACROSS. I THINK THE EDUCATION WILL GO A LONG WAY. THE LAST TWO THINGS, I GOT AN EMAIL TODAY THAT REALLY RUBBED ME THE WRONG WAY.

LISTEN, MY PERSONAL -- I HAVEN'T REALLY SAID ANYTHING AND I WILL SAY THIS, TAX REFORM IS NEEDED. I FULLY SUPPORT THAT TAX REFORM IS NEEDED IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA.

WITH THE FEDERAL INFLATIONARY PRESSURES THAT ALL THE RESIDENTS ARE FACING, WE HAVE TO FIND A BETTER WAY.

THAT'S NOT JUST IN CLAY COUNTY, LEGISLATIVE DELEGATION AND THE THINGS I BREAK UP AS IT PERTAINS TO PROPERTY TAXES, COMMUNITIES WHERE MIAMI, WHERE SOMEBODY BOUGHT A HOUSE FOR 300,000 AND NOW IT'S A MILLION DOLLAR HOME. WE DON'T SEE THAT AS MUCH.

WITH THAT BEING SAID THE EMAIL THAT I GOT WAS A DIRECT ATTACK ON OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS THAT THEY ARE MAKING TOO MUCH MONEY. AND THAT JUST -- IT DOES NOT SIT WELL WITH ME WHATSOEVER. AND WE LIVE IN A SOCIETY WHERE WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO HAVE ROBUST DISCUSSIONS, AGREE TO DISAGREE, BUT I REFUSE TO BELIEVE THAT CLAY COUNTY RESIDENTS THINK THAT THAT'S THE BEST WAY FOR TAX RELIEF.

YOU KNOW? PEOPLE MOVED TO THIS COMMUNITY FOR TWO VERY LARGE REASONS, WE ARE AN EXTREMELY SAFE COMMUNITY, WE HAVE A VERY GOOD SCHOOL SYSTEM.

AND I THINK THE FIVE OF US WANT TO KEEP IT THAT WAY.

HOW WE GET THERE WILL BE DECIDED BY THE VOTERS, BUT WITH THAT BEING SAID FOR ME THAT IS A NON-NEGOTIABLE.

IN TERMS OF -- IT WAS JUST -- IT REALLY RUBBED ME THE WRONG WAY.

WE HAVE TO CONTINUE TO BACK THE BLUE AND OUR FIREFIGHTERS.

THAT IS WHERE I'M AT. LAST THING I HAVE TO SAY, SHE'S NOT HERE BUT SHE WILL WATCH IT LATER, I HAVE TO THANK TERESA.

I FEEL LIKE I'VE BEEN THROWING A BUNCH ON HER PLATE LATELY AND I'M LIKE SHE'S GOING TO HATE ME. TERESA IS AN ABSOLUTE STUD BECAUSE SHE IS A ROCK STAR AT WHAT SHE DOES.

TALK ABOUT DOING A LOT WITH A LITTLE, SHE IS THE ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT FOR ALL FIVE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS AND THE COUNTY MANAGER, AND HER SPEED OF GETTING THINGS DONE AND HER ACCURACY -- IT'S UNBELIEVABLE.

I'M SO GRATEFUL FOR TERESA AND I JUST WANT TO PUBLICLY THANK HER BECAUSE SHE WORKS HER REAR END OFF AND WE ALL APPRECIATE HER VERY MUCH. SORRY IT WAS LONG, THANKS.

>> YOU ARE RIGHT, EXACTLY HOW EACH OF US WORKED, IT'S ALL DIFFERENT. WE APPRECIATE YOU TERESA VERY MUCH. I FORGET ALL OF THOSE THINGS BUT SHE KNOWS THAT I LOVE HER. ANYWAYS.

I WANTED TO SAY SOMETHING, MR. MCKINLEY LEFT -- I THOUGHT DENNIS WAS BACK TONIGHT, BUT THEN HE SAID SOMETHING THAT STRUCK ME. IF YOU WANT TO VOTE FOR COMMISSIONER HAY PAY TO STAY, THAT'S YOUR PREROGATIVE.

NONE OF THESE COMMISSIONERS ASKED TO HAVE ANYTHING PUT ON THE BALLOT NOR DID WE SET THE FEE OR SET THE AMOUNT.

ALL THE BALLOT LANGUAGE SAYS DESPITE WHAT SOME PEOPLE ARE OUT THERE TRYING TO THE NARRATIVE, IS THE BALLOT LANGUAGE SAYS SHOULD THE COMMISSIONERS BE PAID AT THE STATE FORMULA.

THAT WAS NOT PUT UP BY US BUT BY THE CHARTER OF THE COMMISSION.

IF YOU WANT TO KEEP IT AT 37,000 SINCE 2008 THAT'S FINE.

NO WHERE DOES IT SAY THAT A COUNTY COMMISSIONER IS A PART TIME JOB. NO WORK YOU WON'T FIND IT.

IT IS INTRIGUING TO ME THAT THERE IS A NARRATIVE OUT THERE THAT PEOPLE KNOW WHAT WE DO. AND IT'S FUNNY, I HAVE BEEN BASHED ON FACEBOOK LATELY. I'VE GOTTEN PRIVATE MESSAGES FROM THE VERY PEOPLE THAT THINK I DON'T SEE THE POSTS THEY SAY SOMETHING ABOUT ABOUT ME ASKING ME TO COME OUT AND LOOK AT SOMETHING AT THEIR PROPERTY. SO ANYWAYS.

JUST KIND OF -- I JUST WANTED TO CORRECT THAT.

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SAME WITH A SCOOTER. SO SHE AND I WERE KIND OF BRAINSTORMING, WE TALKED ABOUT IT BECAUSE I WILL TAKE IT TO THE COUNTY LEGISLATURE TEAM, BECAUSE SHE SAID SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE ADDED TO STATUTE, SOMETHING LIKE -- FOOT POWERED DEVICES OR SOMETHING BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT THEM TO BE MOTORIZED FOOT POWERED DEVICES, THAT WOULD COVER E-BIKE AND SCOOTER.

AND E-BIKE AND E-SCOOTER. THE MOTORIZED VEHICLES, SOME OF THEM CAN GO FASTER THAN MOTOR SPEED VEHICLES BECAUSE THESE VEHICLES CAN'T GO OVER 25 AND THE STATE STATUTE.

SOME OF THESE E-BIKES CAN GO FASTER THAN THAT SO THEY NEEDED THEIR OWN CATEGORY. SHE AND I WERE BRAINSTORMING SOMETHING ABOUT A MOTORIZED FOOT POWERED -- BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO PEDAL IT OR YOU HAVE TO START YOURSELF OFF I GUESS ON A LITTLE E-SCOOTER, TURN ON YOUR MOTOR AND GO.

ANYWAY. IF YOU HAVE GRAND IDEAS, GIVE THEM TO GAVIN OR JARED, AND THE COUNTY MANAGER CAN GET THEM TO THE LEGISLATURE AS WELL. BUT IN THE EVENT THAT WE MIGHT VOTE ON IT IN THE FUTURE, I JUST -- THAT'S MY THING ON THAT.

AND THE FINAL THING I WANT TO SHARE WITH YOU TONIGHT IS THERE IS A PROJECT GOING ON WITH THE MUSEUM THAT IS A RESTORATION PROJECT. AND THEY STARTED WITH THE C37 PLANE AND THEY HAD THAT REPAINTED.

ALL OF THE MUSEUM DISPLAYS OUT THERE, THE PLANES AND VEHICLES, ARE LOOKING WORSE FOR WEAR. THEY ARE STARTING WITH VIETNAM ERA VEHICLES AND PLANES -- ALL THE EQUIPMENT -- AND THERE IS A GOFUNDME SETUP, ARE THEY'RE TRYING TO RAISE $33,000, SO YOU CAN SEARCH IT.FOR GOFUNDME UNDER RESTORE CAMP BLANDING MUSEUM DISPLAYS, OR IF YOU WANT TO CONTRIBUTE, YOU CAN SEND A CHECK -- PEOPLE WRITE CHECKS -- TO CAPITAL CITY BANK MADE OUT TO THE MUSEUM DISPLAY RESTORATION FUND.

IT'S COMPLETELY PROTECTED, IT'S NOT GOING TO INDIVIDUALS, EVEN THE GOFUNDME IS GOING TO THE MUSEUM PEOPLE.

THEY ARE WORKING THROUGH SOMETHING OUT OF THE FIELD -- ANYWAYS THEY HAVE TO USE SPECIFICALLY APPROVED PAINT SCHEMES THAT ARE TRUE TO -- IT ALL HAS TO BE APPROVED.

IF YOU GO ON TO THE GOFUNDME YOU CAN SEE THE PICTURES OF THE C37 THE DATA, FROM WHERE IT WAS BEFORE TO WHAT THEY RESTORED IT TO, IT IS BEAUTIFUL NOW, SO WE ARE TRYING TO PROTECT THAT AND I'M SURE THE COUNTY MANAGER WOULD BE COOKING HAMBURGERS OUT THERE ON VETERAN'S DAY, SO YOU CAN SEE THE VIETNAM STUFF OUT OF WORLD WAR II PRICES. THEY ARE TRYING TO RAISE $33,000 BUT -- IF YOU KNOW OF ANY LIKE GRANTS OR THINGS, OR IF YOU FIND OUT ABOUT PEOPLE THAT THAT'S THEIR PASSION, PLEASE SHARE.

ONE OF MY CONSTITUENTS SHARED THIS WITH ME AND I WANTED TO SHARE IT WITH YOU. I'VE BEEN OFF OF FACEBOOK AND IT'S BEEN GLORIOUS. I'VE BEEN TAKING A BREAK.

>> ALL RIGHT. I WILL START WITH SOMETHING HAPPY. IT IS HALLOWEEN BUT ALSO SOMETHING VERY IMPORTANT! [LAUGHTER] THEN TO CHANGE TO A VERY SAD TOPIC, ALLISON PASS TODAY.

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>> OH, NO! >> YEAH, I GOT WORD FROM -- I JUST WANT TO GIVE A LITTLE TRIBUTE TO HIM BECAUSE HE WAS ONE SPECIAL PERSON. I KNOW EVERYBODY HERE KNEW HIM.

I ACTUALLY GOT TO BE PRETTY CLOSE WITH HIM OVER THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS, HE CAME TO MY HOUSE AND WE SPOKE TO THE PRESIDENT OF SOLIGHT ON MY BACK PORCH AND HE SPOKE TO THEM AND TRIED TO TALK THEM INTO SELLING LAND OR SOMETHING.

IT DID NOT HAPPEN. HE WAS JUST A TREMENDOUS PERSON.

I WANT TO SAY A FEW THINGS. SUCH A TREMENDOUS PERSON, HE WAS A PRIEST, LET'S SEE... HE SERVED TO GOVERNOR TED BUSH.

SHARED A PASSAGE OF AMENDMENT ONE, AUTHORIZING LARGEST PROTECTIONS IN WORLD HISTORY ASKING FOR 71% OF THE VOTE IN FLORIDA. HE WAS A JUDGE, PUBLIC DEFENDER, PROSECUTOR, SHERIFF, PROFESSOR, I MEAN JUST -- RAN FOR LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR OF FLORIDA. JUST SUCH A WONDERFUL PERSON, I'M SO GLAD I GOT TO KNOW HIM AND EVERYBODY ELSE HERE I'M SURE, A HUGE LOSS. IF ANYBODY ELSE WANTS TO SAY

ANYTHING PLEASE DO. >> I WILL JUST SAY PRAISE TO HIS WIFE. -- PRAYERS.

SHE SERVED ON THE REGIONAL COUNCIL WHEN SHE WAS ON THAT CITY COUNCIL, HIS NAME IS ALLISON AND HER NAME IS RANDY -- [LAUGHTER] LOVELY COUPLE.

I'M SO SORRY TO HEAR THAT. THANK YOU FOR SHARING.

>> I FORGOT SOME VERY IMPORTANT THINGS.

I WANT TO RECOGNIZE BARRY STICKING WITH US.

>> ANYBODY ELSE? >> YESTERDAY IS MY DAUGHTER'S SECOND BIRTHDAY. THE LAST TIME SHE WAS HERE SHE WAS LIKE THREE WEEKS OLD. AND IT'S ALSO COREY'S BIRTHDAY!

[CHEERING] >> WE SHOULD BE SINGING.

>> BETH JUST TOLD ME. >> I GUESS WE WILL LET YOU GO BEFORE YOUR BIRTHDAY IS OVE

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.