Sep 03, 2026 Historic Preservation Board

[CALL TO ORDER]

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>> ALL RIGHT. WE ARE GOOD.

[APPROVAL OF MINUTES]

>> I WILL CALL THIS TO ORDER. AND THE FIRST THING IS THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES. DID WE ALL GET A CHANCE TO LOOK

AT THEM? >> YES.

>> DO WE HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL?

>> I MOTION. >> I SECOND.

>> ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION OR COMMENTS?

ALL RIGHT, THEY ARE APPROVED. >> ALL IN FAVOR.

>> I'M SORRY, ALL IN FAVOR. >> AYE.

[PUBLIC COMMENT]

>> NO NAYS. THEY ARE APPROVED.

ALL RIGHT, PUBLIC COMMENTS. AND IT DOES LOOK LIKE WE DO HAVE

SOMEONE HERE. >> YES, THANK YOU, CHAIR.

I AM A FORMER MEMBER OF THE CLAY COUNTY HISTORIC COMMISSION AS WE USED TO CALL IT. I UNDERSTAND THE NAME HAS CHANGED AND SO ON. BUT I HAVE BEEN FOLLOWING ONLINE, AND I DIDN'T WATCH THE ACTUAL MEETING, BUT A DAY LATER, I WATCHED IT. AND I TUNED IN ON TWO SPECIFIC THINGS THAT WERE SAID. ONE WAS ABOUT THE HISTORIC DISTRICT OF GREEN COVE SPRINGS. AND I WAS SINCE MET WITH SPRING AND I HAVE INFORMATION I BROUGHT ALONG WITH THAT.

GREEN COVE SPRINGS DOES HAVE TWO HISTORIC DISTRICTS.

THEY WERE INVENTORIED AND DUCT -- DR. ADAMS CAME WITH A PROOF AND THE UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA.

STUDENT INVOLVED, MASTER AND DOCTORAL DEGREE LED.

AND 83 STRUCTURES. AND THAT IS WHAT IT IS.

THE OTHER THING IS WHAT KATHY SAID.

WHAT ARE WE DOING? AND I REMEMBER MYSELF A YEAR INTO THIS AS I CALLED IT THE COMMISSION.

WHAT ARE WE DOING? I CAME TO THE COMMISSION WITH TWO EARS, TWO EYES, AND ONE MOUTH.

AND I LISTENED, AND I LOOKED, AND I PARTICIPATED, AND I JOINED IN. AND AFTER A YEAR, I SAID, WELL, WHAT ABOUT THIS? BECAUSE WE DIDN'T DO ANY HISTORIC SIGNS. OUR MONEY WAS GOING INTO CERTAIN MEMBERS GOING OUT AND DOING RESEARCH.

SO THE ANSWER IS REAL SIMPLE. THROUGH THE CHAIR, I WILL TELL YOU, KATHY, IT IS IN YOUR HISTORICAL ELEMENT.

BECAUSE WHEN I WAS ON THE COMMISSION, WE HAD A MASTER PLAN. EXCUSE ME, A COMP PLAN.

I THINK EVERY MUNICIPALITY AND EVERY GOVERNMENT BODY HAS SOME TYPE OF COMP PLAN. IN IT IS A HISTORICAL ELEMENT.

YOU HAVE ONE. AND WHAT I DID IS A DAY OR SO AFTER YOUR MEETING, I EMAILED A REQUEST TO BETH CARSON.

EMAILED A REQUEST THAT I CAN READ YOUR SUMMARY ON YOUR WEBSITE. BUT WHAT IS THE ANSWER TO KATHY'S QUESTION? I KNOW THE ANSWER TO THE QUESTION WHEN I WAS ON THE COMMISSION WAS THE HISTORICAL ELEMENT OF THE COMPLAINT. JUST TO GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE.

WE WERE TO MAINTAIN AN ANNUALLY UPDATE THE AUTOMATIC DATABASE OF THE HISTORICAL RESOURCES OF CLAY COUNTY.

YOUR CURRENT ONE SAYS THAT YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO DO IT REGULARLY.

SO WHAT IS YOUR -- WHAT IS IN THAT PLAN? IT GOES ON IN ONE OF THE OTHER ELEMENTS, IT GOES ON TO SAY, THAT CLAY COUNTY HISTORICAL PRESERVATION BOARD WILL COOPERATE WITH OTHER HISTORICAL PRESERVATION SOCIETIES AND SO ON PRIORITIZE THE LIST OF THE TOP TEN SITES, OBJECTIVES, AND HISTORICAL INTERESTS. WHAT ARE YOUR TOP TEN? I'M NOT HERE AS A POINT OF CONFRONTATION TO ASK QUESTIONS EXPECTING YOU TO ANSWER. BUT TO GIVE YOU A FRAME OF REFERENCE, IN THIS CASE, KATHY, I WAS WHERE YOU WERE.

AND IT WAS ALL I COULD DO AT THAT TIME, BECAUSE OF SPECIAL INTERESTS THAT WAS GOING ON WITH THE COMMISSION THAT WE MET AT VARIOUS PEOPLE'S HOUSES AT VARIOUS PLACES IN THE COUNTY.

SAID TO BE UNDER SUNSHINE LAW. BUT BY NO MEANS WERE WE OPERATING UNDER SUNSHINE. I REALIZED THAT THINGS AND DECISIONS WERE MADE AND DISCUSSIONS WAS DONE.

IDEAS WERE EXPLORED. AND CAME TO THE MEETING AND THERE WAS NO HAMMERING THEM OUT. IT WAS JUST A VOTE.

AND SOMETHING PASSED OR SOMETHING FAILED.

BECAUSE WE WEREN'T FOLLOWING THE SUNSHINE AT THAT TIME.

I KNOW NOW THAT WE ARE IN THE PUBLIC VIEW.

YOU ARE IN THE PUBLIC VIEW. I NEVER HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO SIT HERE WITH THIS TECHNOLOGY AND SO ON.

BUT MY QUESTION -- HOW MANY OF YOU KNOW YOU HAVE A HISTORIC ELEMENT? HISTORICAL ELEMENT.

AND IT IS IN THE COMP PLAN. HOW MANY OF YOU KNOW THAT

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AND THEN YOU HAVE ELEMENTS IN THAT PLAN.

TRAVEL, TRANSPORTATION, HEALTH CARE, SAFETY, FIRE, POLICE, SO ON, AND SO FORTH. IF YOU DON'T KNOW YOUR HISTORICAL ELEMENT, I WOULD ASK AND INVITE RIGHT NOW, PULL IT UP ON THE SCREEN. BECAUSE IT IS POSTED RIGHT ON THE COUNTY WEBSITE. I DIDN'T SEE ANY LIGHTS COME ON.

I DON'T KNOW WHERE I AM ON WITH TIME.

THANK YOU. BUT WHAT I HAVE POINTED OUT TO STEVE, WHAT I AM HOLDING UP IS ON THE WEBSITE.

ACCESSIBLE TO EVERY ONE OF US CITIZENS.

AND ACCESSIBLE TO YOU TO LOOK THROUGH.

AGAIN, I'M NOT HERE FOR CONFRONTATION.

I AM HERE TO SAY, I'VE BEEN THERE.

I HAVE DONE THAT. I DIDN'T GET A T-SHIRT.

I COMMEND YOU FOR WHAT YOU ARE DOING.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS.

[OLD BUSINESS]

>> ALL RIGHT, I THINK THAT IS THE ONLY PUBLIC COMMENTS WE HAVE. OLD BUSINESS.

CEMETERY PRESERVATION UPDATE. >> I WILL TELL YOU, I HAVE BEEN ON SOMEWHAT OF A SABBATICAL, BECAUSE THE WEATHER HAS BEEN SO HOT. I HAVEN'T BEEN DOING AS MUCH AS I NORMALLY WOULD HAVE. HOWEVER, WE HAVE BEEN DOING WORK AT MCKENDREE. WE RECENTLY DID SOME MORE VEGETATION CLEAN UP AND GOT READY, BECAUSE BOY SCOUT TROOP 482 IS GOING TO TAKE OVER MONTHLY MAINTENANCE STARTING ON SEPTEMBER 19TH. THEY ARE GOING TO COME THE THIRD SATURDAY OF EVERY MONTH FOR THE NEXT 12 MONTHS -- WHICH IS GREAT. BECAUSE LET ME TELL YOU, THAT VEGETATION JUST POPS UP. NOW THAT WE ARE GETTING A LITTLE BIT OF RAIN, IT DOESN'T TAKE MUCH FOR IT TO DO IT.

WE DID SPRAY SOME BRUSH KILLER ON SOME OF THE THINGS THERE TO TRY AND CONTROL IT. WE HAVE ALSO BEEN DOING SOME RESEARCH ABOUT THE MARKERS THAT ARE THERE.

BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME INTERESTING STORIES ABOUT THESE HEADSTONES THAT HAVE JUST MYSTERIOUSLY APPEARED SOMETIME BETWEEN 1956 WHEN JAMES BOONE WENT OUT THERE AND 1973 WHEN ELIZABETH SPENCER WENT THERE. THEY ARE ALL EXACTLY THE SAME SIZE SAME SHAPE, SAME WRITING. AND WE CAN'T SEEM TO FIND OUT WHO DID IT AND HOW THEY KNOW WHERE THESE PEOPLE ARE BURIED.

SO WE ARE DOING A LOT OF RESEARCH ON THAT.

WE ARE ALSO DOING RESEARCH ON THE MYSTERIOUS BACKGROUND OF WILLIAM F. SPENCER AND JAMES MADISON MONROE.

TWO GENTLEMAN THAT SEEMED TO HAVE BEEN MARRIED TO THE SAME WOMAN. BOTH HAD THE EXACT SAME DATE OF DEATH. AND ONE HAD AN OBITUARY AND THE OTHER ONE DIDN'T FORGET ONE HAS A DEATH CERTIFICATE AND THE OTHER ONE DIDN'T. [INDISTINCT]

>> 1936. YEAH.

SO JAMES MADISON MONROE HAD AN OBITUARY.

AND WILLIAM F. SPENCER DID NOT. BUT WILLIAM F. SPENCER HAS A DEATH CERTIFICATE, AND JAMES MADISON MONROE DOES NOT.

BUT THEY HAVE THE EXACT SAME DATE OF DEATH, MARRIED TO THE SAME WOMAN. MR. MONROE HAS A STONE IN THE CEMETERY. MR. SPENCER DOES NOT.

I HAVE MILITARY RECORDS FOR MR. SPENCER.

AND IT SAYS, HE WAS BORN IN NORTH CAROLINA.

HIS DEATH CERTIFICATE SAYS HE WAS BORN IN PENNSYLVANIA.

THERE IS JUST SOME WEIRD WEIRD THINGS GOING ON THERE.

WE ALWAYS LIKE TO DO RESEARCH ABOUT THE PEOPLE THAT ARE BURIED IN THE CEMETERIES THAT WE ARE DOING.

>> THE CAUSE OF DEATH. >> THEY WERE BOTH ABOUT THE SAME AGE, THEY WERE IN THEIR 90S. I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT IT WAS.

BUT THEY BOTH WERE IN THEIR 90S.

BUT SUPPOSEDLY, MARY AND FRANCES FERRIS MARRIED MR. MANNING AND

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AND THEN SHE MARRIED SPENCER IN 1923.

AND IT IS A REALLY WEIRD THING. SO WE ARE NOT QUITE SURE IF EVERYTHING IS QUITE THE WAY IT SHOULD BE.

IT IS VERY INTERESTING. THE CEMETERY USED TO BE MUCH LARGER THAN WHAT THE FENCED IN AREA IS TODAY.

EVEN ELIZABETH SPENCER SAID THAT WHEN SHE INTERVIEWED PEOPLE BACK IN THE EARLY '70S, THEY SAID THAT SOME OF THE BURIALS ARE UNDER THE OLD BARN. IT IS PRETTY MUCH DILAPIDATED NOW. THERE IS QUITE A FEW PEOPLE THAT ARE BURIED. WE WILL NEVER FIND OUT WHERE THOSE OTHER BURIALS ARE. THEY ARE SOMEWHERE ON THAT PROPERTY. BUT THEY ARE OUT OF WHERE THIS LITTLE FENCED IN PART OF THE CEMETERY IS -- WHICH IS KIND OF SAD. SO IT IS A REALLY BIG MYSTERY.

I DON'T THINK WE ARE EVER GOING TO FIND ALL THE ANSWERS.

SO KIND OF BEEN DOING THAT. I HAD CONTACTED THE JACKSONVILLE DAR ABOUT THE REPLACEMENT OF THE PATRIOT MARKER FOR LOUIS FILTERED AT THE OLD HICKORY GROVE CEMETERY.

AND THEY HAVE COME BACK AND SAID, THE NATIONAL DAR WOULD NOT APPROVE A REPLACEMENT, BECAUSE IT WAS INSTALLED IN 1956, AND AGAIN IN THE '90S. AND BOTH TIMES, THE DA MARKER HAS BEEN STOLEN. IS NOT THERE, HE IS A REVOLUTIONARY WAR HERO. AND SO, THE NATIONAL DAR SAID, THEY WOULD NOT REPLACE THE MARKER SINCE IT HAS BEEN STOLEN TWICE. SO MY QUESTION, IS MAYBE THE POSSIBLE SOLUTION IS TO PREPARE A COUNTY HISTORICAL MARKER AT HIS GRAVESITE. THERE IS A NATIONAL ONE IN JACKSONVILLE AND ANOTHER ONE IN I WANT TO SAY DAYTONA.

IT IS ON THE WEBSITE FOR THE NATIONAL MARKER WEBSITE.

THERE IS ACTUALLY THREE MEN LISTED ON THERE.

BUT LOUIS WILLFORD IS ONE OF THEM.

SO MAYBE OUR SOLUTION IS TO PROVIDE A COUNTY MARKER AT HIS GRAVESITE THAT LISTS THE SAME VERBIAGE THAT IS ON THE DAR WEBSITE DOWN IN JACKSONVILLE. IT SAYS, "HE SERVED IN THE SECOND REGIMENT OF NORTH CAROLINA.

HE WINTERED IN THE CONTINENTAL TROOPS IN VALLEY FORGE.

HIS ACTIVITIES DURING THE REVOLUTIONARY WAR INCLUDED SERVING AS A PRIVATE AND AS A PRISONER OF WAR.

WILFRED SERVED IN THE WAR OF 1812.

DUVAL COUNTY FLORIDA INCLUDES THE SITES OF HIS PLANTATION KNOWN AS WILLFORD PLACE IN HIS 1824 MARRIAGE TO SYLVA TURNER MYERS." BECAUSE HE IS OUR REVOLUTIONARY

WAR VETERAN IN CLAY COUNTY. >> SO IF HIS SERVICE IS A VETERAN RECORD, COULD WE NOT APPLY FOR A FEDERAL MARKER?

>> WE COULD. THIS IS AN OLD HICKORY GROVE CEMETERY. THERE IS ALREADY A STATE MARKER OUTSIDE THE CEMETERY. WE COULD, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE THE BUDGET AND STUFF TO DO THAT.

>> NO, THEY HAVE TO SUPPLY IT, IF THEY AGREE THAT THE PERSON SERVED, AND HE HASN'T HAD A FEDERAL MARKER YET.

THEY SUPPLY IT. I BELIEVE.

UNLESS THE RULES CHANGED. >> THAT I AM NOT SURE OF AS FAR OF MARKERS. YOU ARE SAYING FEDERAL MARKER AS

OPPOSED TO A STATE MARKER. >> HE WAS A VETERAN.

>> HE'S GOT A VETERAN STONE. IT IS A FLAT STONE.

IT IS NOT VERY BIG. BUT HE DOES HAVE A SMALL VETERAN

STONE AT OLD HICKORY GROVE. >> SO YOU JUST WANT A FENCE

THERE THAT THE DAR -- >> THE DAR HAD A STICK, BRONZE DAR MARKER NEXT TO HIS GRAVESTONE THAT SAID HE WAS IN THE REVOLUTIONARY WAR. IT HAD HIS NAME AND DATE AND WHATEVER. THEY HAVE PUT IT IN THERE TWICE.

AND BOTH TIMES HAVE BEEN STOLEN. AND I HAVE EVEN WENT BACK TO THEM AND SAID, WHAT IF WE COULD, YOU KNOW, SECURE IT IN CONCRETE OR SOMETHING? AND SHE SAID, NATIONAL WOULD NOT APPROVE THE NATIONAL DAR WOULD NOT APPROVE ANOTHER ONE.

>> OKAY, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE COUNTY WHICH SUPPLIES

SOMETHING TO REPLACE IT. >> YEAH, JUST HAVE A MARKER BY

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CLAY COUNTY. >> IT SOUNDS LIKE A GOOD IDEA.

>> IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE ONE OF THE HUGE ONES.

IT COULD BE A SMALLER ONE. BUT I WAS THINKING THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT WE MIGHT WANT TO CONSIDER.

>> I COULD SEE ABOUT PUTTING THAT ON THE AGENDA NEXT MONTH.

WE WOULD HAVE TO TALK TO THE SIGN DEPARTMENT AND FIND OUT IF THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING. I KNOW BILLY IS IN THE SIGN DEPARTMENT. WE WOULD HAVE TO ARRIVE AT COST AND ALL THAT, BECAUSE WE HAVE THE COST ADOPTED.

WE JUST GOT THAT ADOPTED FOR THE BIG SIGNS.

BUT THIS WOULD BE A DIFFERENT SIGN THAT WAS INCLUDED.

>> THE OTHER THING IS IT IS IN OLD HICKORY ROAD.

SO WE WOULD HAVE TO GET PERMISSION FROM --

>> I CAN TALK TO MISS PEEPLES. YEAH ABOUT PUTTING SOMETHING IN

THERE. >> AND I WILL START WORKING ON THE DESIGN. CAN YOU GIVE ME THE DIMENSIONS?

>> YEAH, IT WOULDN'T HAVE TO BE BIG.

AND I JUST COPIED WHAT WAS ALREADY ON THE SIGNAGE IN

JACKSONVILLE. >> SEND IT TO BETH.

SHE CAN FORWARD IT ON TO ME. AND I WILL WORK SOMETHING UP THAT IS ON A SMALLER SCALE THAN WHAT WE HAVE FOR MIDDLEBURG.

>> YEAH, IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE THE BIG TWO BY THREE.

>> THAT IS A THREE BY FOUR. THERE WAS NO WAY I COULD EVEN PUT THAT IN A CEMETERY LIKE THAT.

>> YEAH, NO. >> BUT I DO HAVE SOME SMALLER SIGN BLANKS THAT WE COULD -- MIGHT COULD DO SOMETHING.

BUT I WOULD NEED THE VERBIAGE TO SEE HOW IT ALL LOOKS ONCE WE GET IT TOGETHER. I CAN BRING BACK SOMETHING AT

OUR NEXT MEETING. >> WE DO A PAPER MOCK UP OF WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE AND, KATHY, COULD YOU ALSO LOOK ON THE PERMISSION AND GETTING A DOCUMENT SAYING THAT IN WRITING?

>> ABSOLUTELY. >> I WILL PUT IT ON THE AGENDA FOR DISCUSSION. Y'ALL CAN VOTE ON THE

EXPENDITURE. >> SOUNDS GOOD.

>> SO LIKE I SAID, I HAVEN'T BEEN DOING A LOT OF STUFF, BECAUSE I HAVE KIND OF TAKEN A LITTLE PERSONAL SABBATICAL.

SO I AM STILL WAITING ON THE VA APPROVAL FOR THE MILITARY STONE FOR JAMES. I HAVEN'T GOTTEN ANY UPDATE FROM THE STATE HISTORICAL COMMISSION ABOUT THE STATUS OF GRANTING CEMETERY OUT OF GARY'S FERRY. AND ONE OF THE REASONS I TOOK A SABBATICAL IS I'VE GOT SEVEN HEADSTONES TO BE REPAIRED AT DIFFERENT CEMETERIES IN CLAY COUNTY.

SO I HAVE GOT MY HANDS FULL WITH THAT.

AND IT HAS BEEN TOO HOT. >> HEAR, HEAR.

>> ALL RIGHT, I GUESS MY ONLY REPORT, PLEASANT POINT.

HENRY BENNETT STONE IS STILL IN PROGRESS.

I FOUND SOMEBODY OUT OF STATE THAT IS GOING TO SIGN FOR IT.

THE FIRST PERSON THAT WAS GOING TO SIGN FOR IT, I NEED A FAMILY MEMBER SINCE HE IS WORLD WAR I. I HOPE NEXT TIME I CAN REPORT THAT THE APPLICATION IS IN. THE ONLY THING I DID EVEN THOUGH IT WAS TOO HOT IS I MOWED PLEASANT POINT -- WHICH IS 1.5 ACRES WITH JUST A SELF-PROPELLED LAWN MOWER.

AND THAT TOOK 20 HOURS. MEGAN HELPED ME FINISH UP ON THE LAST DAY. SO I WONDERED IF IT WAS POSSIBLE TO MOW IT WITH A SMALL MOWER, AND IT IS.

IT IS VERY INTENSIVE WORK. MELISSA WAS GOING TO REPORT BACK. SHE THOUGHT SHE HAD A CONTACT AT THE CHURCH THAT IS INVOLVED WITH HICKORY GROVE CEMETERY.

BUT SHE IS NOT HERE. SHOULD I MAYBE REACH OUT TO

ELIZABETH? >> ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT OLD HICKORY GROVE? MISS PEEPLES IS THE LADY WE WERE TALKING TO. WE HAVE MET WITH HER BEFORE.

>> IF I REMEMBER RIGHT, LAST MEETING, MELISSA SAID SHE HAD A CONTACT WITHIN THE CHURCH, AND SHE WAS GOING TO TALK TO THEM AND REPORT BACK. DOES ANYONE ELSE RECALL THAT?

>> FROM US IN THE MEETING, SHE SAID SHE WAS GOING TO REACH OUT TO THE CHURCH AND HAVE THEM CONNECT WITH KATHY.

>> OKAY, ALL RIGHT. SHOULD MAYBE -- I WAS THERE WHEN WE MET WITH ELIZABETH. SHOULD I TRY TO REACH OUT TO

HER? >> I'VE GOT TO FOLLOW WITH HER ANYWAY, BECAUSE SHE IS SUPPOSED TO BE HELPING ME WITH GARNER LEGE -- WHICH IS OFF OF SPRING BANK.

I KNOW SHE'S BEEN DEALING WITH SOME HEALTH ISSUES.

SO I WILL TRY AND CONNECT WITH HER AGAIN AND SEE WHAT SHE SAYS.

[NEW BUSINESS]

>> ALL RIGHT. I THINK THAT IS IT FOR CEMETERY

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WE HAD TALKED ABOUT -- MR. YEAMAN REALLY HELPED US HERE WITH HISTORIC ELEMENT AND PUTTING THAT OUT -- WHICH I WAS UNAWARE OF. DO WE WANT TO FORM A COMMITTEE THAT WOULD REALLY KIND OF NAIL DOWN AND PINPOINT THE DIRECTION WE WANT TO GO WITH THIS BOARD? OR WOULD WE RATHER DEAL WITH IT IN CONTEXT OF THESE MEETINGS HERE? WHICH IT SEEMS LIKE EACH TIME WE MEET, THIS QUESTION COMES UP TRYING TO FIND OUR DIRECTIONS. SO DO WE NEED A SUBCOMMITTEE

MEETING? >> WHAT I THINK, AT LEAST ON OUR VERY KNOWLEDGEABLE VISITOR TODAY, WE ACTUALLY HAVE SOME THINGS IN PLACE. I WAS CURIOUS WHAT YEAR THESE WERE CREATED. AND IT SAID -- AND HE SAID THAT IT IS TO BE REVISED. APPARENTLY, THERE IS A DOCUMENT THAT STATES WHAT WE WANT TO DO. AND THAT WE CAN REVISE IT IN A TIMELY MANNER. SO I WOULD LIKE TO GET THIS DOCUMENT -- WHICH APPARENTLY IT IS ON THE THING.

BUT LET'S GET IT PRINTED OUT. DISTRIBUTE IT ANYWAY.

[INDISTINCT] OKAY.

IT WOULD BE NICE TO GET A COPY OF THAT.

PERHAPS WHAT YEAR IT WAS CREATED.

IT WASN'T SINCE I HAVE BEEN HERE.

SEE IF WE CAN GO WITHIN THIS FRAMEWORK AND CONTINUE.

THAT WOULD GIVE US DIRECTION. WE COULD SAY WHAT WE ARE GOING FOR AND WHAT OUR GOALS ARE AND WORK TOWARDS THAT.

I SEE US FLOUNDERING FOR THE LAST YEAR WITH DETAILED CEMETERY WORK AS IF THAT WAS THE CEMETERY BOARD.

WHEN I HEAR IT WAS A CIVIL WAR WORLD WAR II VETERAN THAT WE WANTED TO MAKE, I THINK WE ARE GETTING WAY TOO MUCH PRIVATE CONVERSATION -- WHICH IS GOOD IF WE WERE GATHERING FOR LUNCH.

BUT THIS IS A GOVERNMENT AGENCY. NOT REALLY, BUT YOU KNOW, WE ARE IN THE GOVERNMENT. WE ARE HAVING NOTES.

PERSONAL WHO'S WHO. I KNOW THAT IS INTERESTING TO CERTAIN PEOPLE. I DON'T BELIEVE IT IS THE BUSINESS OF THE BOARD. SO LET'S CUT DOWN ON THAT.

AND CONCENTRATE ON GETTING A GOOD FRAMEWORK THAT WE CAN WORK TOWARDS. BECAUSE I DO THINK WE NEED THAT.

IT WAS INTERESTING TO HEAR THAT WE HAVE 83 HISTORIC STRUCTURES AND GREENCO THAT WAS ALREADY ESTABLISHED.

BEEN HERE FOR A YEAR. I DIDN'T KNOW.

WAS I SUPPOSED TO RESEARCH IT? I DON'T KNOW.

I DO AGREE I THINK WE NEED TO BE MORE FORMAL.

WE ARE ON A BOARD. IF WE ARE FIXING UP A CEMETERY AND IT IS HOT, THAT IS IRRELEVANT.

I AM SORRY. IT IS PERSONAL.

AND IT JUST GETS LONGER AND LONGER.

IT WAS 15 MINUTES, JUST ABOUT ON CEMETERY WORK.

AND YET, THERE WAS ACTUAL THINGS TO DO IN THERE.

GET THIS MONUMENT, RECOGNIZE A WAR HERO.

BUT PEOPLE ARE PRIVATELY BURIED IN A PRIVATE CEMETERY.

I DON'T THINK WE HAVE TO MAKE THEM -- BECAUSE US SPEAKING OF THEM IN THIS MEETING, WE HAVE MADE THEM PUBLIC FIGURES.

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT DIRECTION GO TO A FORMAL STATEMENT -- WHICH WE CAN REVISE IF WE DON'T LIKE THE DIRECTION THEREOF. AND REALIZE, WE AREN'T FULFILLING SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WERE MENTIONED.

>> WELL, MR. YAMAN IS AMONG US. I MIGHT ASK YOU TO TELL US HOW YOU GUYS MANAGE THIS WHEN YOU HAD THAT ROLL.

DID YOU MANAGE TO KEEP ANNUAL TRACK OF THESE HISTORIC

RESOURCES AT SOME POINT? >> WE DID NOT DO A GOOD JOB.

IF I WERE TO GIVE US A GRADE, IT WOULD BE B FOR EFFORT, D FOR OUTCOME. THERE WAS AN EFFORT AMONGST THE GROUP TO DO IT. THERE WAS A COGNITIVE THOUGHT, AN EXCHANGE OF STUFF SAYING, YES.

BUT DELIVERY WASN'T THERE. THINGS DIDN'T COME THROUGH.

I WILL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE. WHEN FORT HILLMAN WAS BEING WORKED ON, KEVIN HOOPER WAS VERY INVOLVED WITH THAT.

A LOT OF THE MONEY FOLLOWED KEVIN HOOPER TO MY KNOWLEDGE.

MYSELF AS RETIRED U.S. MARINE, I KNEW THAT ARCHIBALD HENDERSON, THE MAN IN THE RAINCOAT NAILED A NOTE ON THE DOOR OF HEADQUARTERS OF THE MARINE CORPS. GONE TO FLORIDA TO FIGHT INDIANS. U.S. MARINES WERE HERE.

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AND MY INFORMATION, I RECEIVED IN DOCUMENTATION LEGAL OR OFFICIAL DOCUMENTATION FROM HEADQUARTERS OF THE MARINE CORPS WAS REJECTED BY THE COMMISSION. THEY DIDN'T WANT TO HEAR ABOUT MARINES BEING IN FORT HILLMAN. BECAUSE THEY HAD ALREADY TOLD THE ARMY STORY. AND THINGS WERE WRITTEN ABOUT IT. SO THE DOOR GOT SLAMMED SHUT.

DID I TAKE THAT PERSONALLY? NO.

I HAD TO REMIND MYSELF. I WAS A KRISTY FITZGERALD APPOINTEE. FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO DO OR DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS, I HAD ASTIGMATISM HELD OVER TOP OF ME, BECAUSE SHE WAS ONE OF THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS THAT WAS VERY MUCH NOT APPRECIATED FOR SOME OF THE ANTICS THAT WENT ON BACK IN THE DAYS WITH PUBLIC WORKS AND ARTHUR IV AND WHAT NOT. SO AGAIN, IT IS NOT A MATTER OF BEING DISGRUNTLED. IT'S NOT A MATTER OF BEING CONFRONTATIONAL. IT'S A MATTER OF SAYING, I HAVE BEEN THERE AND I'VE DONE THAT AND I DIDN'T GET A T-SHIRT.

BUT BASED ON YOUR QUESTION, WHEN YOU GET IT'S ONLY FIVE OR SIX PAGES. WHEN YOU GET TO THE BACK OF IT, IT WILL GIVE YOU DEFINITIONS THAT REFERENCE OUT SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR PRESERVATION REHABILITATION, RESTORATION, AND ARCHEOLOGICAL -- THIS DOCUMENT WILL REFERENCE -- WHEN YOU GET IT ONLINE OR HAVE IT GIVEN TO YOU CAN'T YOU DOWNLOAD IT AND GO THROUGH IT, IT IS VERY WELL DETAILED AND LAID OUT. AND IT DOESN'T TIE YOUR HANDS.

IT GIVES YOU GREAT FRAMEWORK. SO IF I ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION, JERRY, THE POINT IS, YOU SHOULD HAVE AN ACTIVE LIST.

AND YOU SHOULD HAVE TEN PRIORITIES.

THAT IS TWO NUGGETS I CAN PICK OUT OF THIS IN THE FIRST TWO PAGES. YOU DON'T KNOW ABOUT YOUR ACTIVE LIST AND YOU DON'T KNOW YOUR TOP TEN PRIORITIES, MY QUESTION, WHAT ARE YOU DOING? BECAUSE THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS TO DO. AND I THINK KATHY SHOULD BE COMMENDED FOR WHAT SHE DOES, BECAUSE SHE'S IN HER WHEELHOUSE.

THAT IS HER WHEELHOUSE. AND SHE IS WORKING IN IT.

BUT THERE'S OTHER THINGS TO DO. >> SO YOU SAID YOU WERE A LITTLE DISAPPOINTED IN THE OUTPUT OF THE COMMISSION WHEN YOU WERE THERE. BUT DID THEY MANAGE TO REVISE THE ANNUAL REVIEW OF HISTORIC RESOURCES AT ALL? DID ANYTHING CHANGE QUESTION MARKS B WHEN THEY DID ZERO HISTORICAL MARKERS IN MY TENURE.

>> TO IDENTIFY HISTORICAL RESOURCES --

>> THEY WERE A PET ROJECTS THAT WORKED FOR PET PROJECTS WERE ON THE TABLE IN THE COMMISSION WHEN I GOT THERE.

THOSE PET PROJECTS CONTINUED TO WORK.

>> OKAY. >> CAN YOU GIVE US A COUPLE OF EXAMPLES OF THOSE PROJECTS WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT? IS IT MONUMENTS OR IS IT JUST RESEARCH INTO CERTAIN AREAS?

>> A LOT OF IT WAS JUST RESEARCH AND STUFF THAT WAS DONE FOR RESEARCH. I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CAME OUT OF IT -- THE NAME IS GOING TO ESCAPE ME.

UP TO 18, THERE IS AN HISTORICAL AREA FOR CIVIL WAR BATTLE SKIRMISH. HAILEY'S? SO THAT WAS A SUCCESS. BUT A LOT OF IT -- A LOT OF TIME

AND RESEARCH. >> WEREN'T YOU ALSO INVOLVED WITH MAGNOLIA SPRINGS CEMETERY GETTING FENCE AROUND IT AND THE

HEADSTONE? >> YES, THAT WAS IN THE SAME --

WHAT IS THE TERM FOR THE TALL -- >> OBELISK.

>> OBELISK, THANK YOU. THAT CAME OUT OF THAT TIME

FRAME. >> AND JUST TO POINT OUT IN REFERENCE TO BARBARA'S COMMENTS, AND PERHAPS WE ARE GOING ABOUT IT WRONG. WE ARE TAKING TOO MUCH TIME.

BUT IT IS MENTIONED THAT HISTORIC PRESERVATION OF CEMETERIES IS MENTIONED HERE IN THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION

ELEMENT. >> I DON'T THINK YOU ARE ABSENT.

I DON'T THINK YOU NEGLECT CEMETERIES.

BUT IT IS 1 OF 3 OR FOUR ASPECTS.

>> CORRECT. WELL, I GOT YOU WHERE I WANT YOU. THE UPDATE PART, YOU SAID THIS NEEDS TO BE UPDATED REGULARLY. IS THAT JUST THE HTORIC ELEMENT OR THE ENTIRE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN? AND WHERE DID YOU FIND THAT COMMENT ABOUT UPDATING IT?

>> WHEN I WAS ON THE COMMISSION, POLICY 1.1, CLAY COUNTY SHALL MAINTAIN AND ANNUALLY UPDATE THE AUTOMATIC DATABASE OF THE HISTORIC COMMISSION. THAT WAS WHEN I WAS THERE.

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THAT IS THIS PRINT IS '06. >> DID YOU SAY ANNUALLY?

>> ANNUALLY. ON THE SAME PARAGRAPH THAT I JUST READ TO YOU WHERE THE WORD "ANNUALLY" IS, YOU HAVE THE WORD "REGULARLY." WHO DEFINES REGULARLY? IS IT A BALL MOVEMENT OR WASHING THE WINDOWS? SO IT WAS DEFINED FOR US. WHEN I WAS ON THE COMMISSION, IT WAS SOMETHING WE DID ANNUALLY. I DON'T KNOW THAT I EVER SAW IT

DONE. >> OKAY, SO THE DATABASE IT DOES THE AUTOMATIC DATA -- WHAT HAPPENED TO IT?

DOES IT STILL EXIST? >> THAT IS THE QUESTION I WOULD

THINK FOR THE STAFF. >> THERE IS THE MASTER SITE FILE -- WHICH INCLUDES ALL THE PROPERTIES THAT ARE DESIGNATED WITHIN CLAY COUNTY. THAT IS IN YOUR RESEARCH DOCUMENTS THAT YOU HAVE ACCESS TO.

THERE WAS ALSO A DOCUMENT CREATED FROM OUR GIS DEPARTMENT WHICH INCLUDES THE AGE, THE YEAR THAT STRUCTURES WERE BUILT IN THE COUNTY FOR ALL THE PARCELS THAT EXIST IN THE COUNTY THAT HAS BEEN PUT IN A TABLE AND SUMMARIZED FOR YOU SO THAT YOU CAN BEGIN DOING RESEARCH AND DOCUMENT THOSE PARTICULAR BUILDINGS. AND CONSIDER THEM FOR POSSIBLE DESIGNATION AS HISTORIC. SO THAT IS ALSO IN YOUR RESOURCE FOLDER. AND THAT LINK EXPIRES.

SO IF YOU HAVEN'T ACCESSED IT RECENTLY, I WILL HAVE TO SEND YOU A NEW ONE. IF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ELEMENT IS NOT IN THERE -- WHICH I THINK IT IS.

I WILL SEND THAT TO YOU. THAT IS ALL PART OF THE RESOURCES. THE MASTER SITE FILE IS IN THERE FOR YOU TO REVIEW. NATIONAL REGISTER SITE OR CONTRIBUTING TO A NATIONAL REGISTER DISTRICT.

>> I THINK THAT DOCUMENT SOUNDS LIKE SOMETHING WE HAVE NEEDED.

HE MENTIONED 2006. THAT IS 20 YEARS AGO.

>> YOU HAVE THE UPDATED ONE. >> I PERSONALLY DON'T.

SHE IS GOING TO SEND THAT OUT. >> THROUGH THE CHAIR, I DOWNLOADED THIS FROM THE COUNTY WEBSITE.

>> CORRECT. I ALSO GOT A COPY.

>> I GAVE STEVE THE DIRECTION, AND HE'S ABLE TO DO THE SAME THING. IT IS THERE.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ACTUAL DATE IS ON THIS.

BUT IT REFERENCES THE OUTSIDE RESOURCES FOR 2017.

WHEN YOU GET TO THE DEFINITIONS, THE LAST PAGE HAS DEFINITIONS.

WHICH GIVES YOU THE IDEA, HOW ARE THE STANDARDS SET FOR SOME OF THIS? AND THE STANDARDS WERE SET BY THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR. THIS IS REFERENCING ALL THE WAY UP TO NATIONAL. AND I AM SURE I CAN'T SPEAK FOR A GRANT WRITER. BUT GRANT WRITERS TO MY KNOWLEDGE LIKE THINGS THAT ARE CONGRUENT.

THINGS THAT WILL GO TOGETHER WHERE WE HAVE A COUNTY CITY PLAN A COUNTY PLAN A STATE PLAN. THEY ARE ALL CONGRUENT, AND THEY ARE IN LINE WITH EACH OTHER, AND SOMEBODY ISN'T TRYING TO DO SOMETHING OUT OF THE ORDINARY. BECAUSE THAT IS THE STUFF FROM MY TIME OF DOING SOME GRANT WRITING IS BEING CONGRUENT.

SEEING THAT YOU ARE IN LINE WITH WHAT OTHERS ARE DOING AND IN LINE WITH STANDARDS. SO THESE STANDARDS ARE REFERENCED ALL THE WAY UP TO THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR.

WHICH IS PART OF OUR WHAT? PARKS HISTORICAL PRESERVATION

FOR THE ENTIRE NATION. >> IS THERE A LEGAL DISTINCTION BETWEEN THE COUNTY DATABASE AND THE STATE DATABASE OF THESE

RECOGNIZED PARCELS? >> WE ARE JUST PROVIDED THAT DOCUMENT FROM THE STATE. THE MASTER SITE FILE OF ALL THE HISTORIC STRUCTURES IN THE COUNTY.

THE MAP THAT IS IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN LISTS THE ONES THAT ARE ON THE NATIONAL REGISTER.

AND THAT IS WHAT IS SHOWN ON THE MAP.

>> OKAY, SO THE COUNTY DIDN'T CREATE ITS OWN ADDITIONAL

INFORMATION. >> NO, I HAVE ASKED OUR GIS DEPARTMENT TO CREATE A DATABASE USING THE PROPERTY APPRAISER'S INFORMATION SO THAT YOU CAN LOOK AT THE NEXT SET OF BUILDINGS THAT COULD POTENTIALLY BE LISTED AS HISTORIC.

OBVIOUSLY, ANYTHING 50 YEARS PLUS.

SO THAT DOCUMENTATION IS THERE. YOU CAN LOOK AT THE ADDRESSES AND THE AGE OF THE BUILDING. AND THAT WAS DONE SO THAT YOU COULD BEGIN TO RESEARCH IF YOU WANTED TO HAVE OTHER MASTER SITE FILES CREATED. FOR NEW BUILDINGS.

>> I HAVE A QUESTION ON THAT DATABASE.

COMING FROM THAT TYPE OF BACKGROUND.

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YOU KNOW, IT WAS BUILT IN '68. YES, IT IS 60 YEARS OLD.

BUT I THINK THAT AND PERHAPS WE COULD GET SOME OF THE STATE -- I KNOW THE STATE ESTABLISHED THAT.

IT IS NOTHING TO DO WITH US. BUT YOU LOOK AND YOU DID GIVE US COPIES OF THAT MAP. IT IS BEAUTIFUL WITH DOTS ALL OVER THE PLACE. I AM IN THE TOWN OF ORANGE PARK.

I THINK THE TOWN OF ORANGE PARK MIGHT AS WELL DECLARE THE WHOLE THING AN HISTORIC DISTRICT. BECAUSE PROBABLY 80% TO 90% OF THE HOUSES ARE OVER 50 YEARS OLD.

PEOPLE DRIVING THROUGH THERE DON'T THINK, OH, I AM IN AN HISTORIC DISTRICT. I REALLY WISH SOME OF OUR CONCENTRATIONS WOULD BE AT LEAST A HUNDRED YEARS OLD.

AND YOU KNOW, YOUR MAP SHOWS IN DIFFERENT COLORS IF I REMEMBER SOME OF THE YEARS. IT WOULD BE KIND OF NICE IF YOU HAVE A DATABASE TO SAY, I WANT TO SEE THINGS THAT ARE MORE THAN 200 YEARS OLD. DO WE HAVE BUILDINGS AROUND HERE

LIKE THAT? >> YOU CAN SORT THAT EXCEL FOLDER AND THAT EXCEL FILE. YOU CAN SEE BASED ON THE YEAR

THAT IT WAS BUILT. >> I MEAN, THAT IS NICE.

COMPARED TO WHAT SOUNDS LIKE WE SHOULD BE DOING.

WE NEED SOME WORK. >> ALSO, MR. YAMAN AND I KIND OF DISCUSSED THE POSSIBILITY OF HAVING AN HISTORIC DISTRICT SIGN. IF WE HAVE THESE TWO DISTRICTS.

AT LEAST ONE OF THEM, THE DOWNTOWN AREA HAVING A SIGN.

IT SEEMS TO REALLY PROMOTE TOURISM.

I KNOW WHEN I'M ON VACATION WHEN I SEE THAT, I WAS IMMEDIATELY DRAWN TO IT. I KNOW IT WAS PART OF THE TOWN'S HISTORIC THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE.

I DON'T KNOW IF THAT IS POSSIBLE TO PURSUE?

>> YOU WOULD HAVE TO GET WITH THE TOWN IN GREEN COVE.

THAT IS THEIR JURISDICTION. WE ARE IN AN UNINCORPORATED AREA. WE DON'T GO INTO THE TOWN OF ORANGE PARK. WE DON'T GO INTO THE CITY OF GREEN COVE OR THE TOWN OF KEYSTONES WITHOUT PROPER

INVITATION. >> AND THAT IS SOMETHING I HAVE GOTTEN CLEARED UP. THERE WAS NEVER AN ORDINANCE TO MAKE AN HISTORIC DISTRICT AT THE CITY LEVEL.

SO WE ARE ON THE NATIONAL REGISTER.

BUT THE CITY HAS NEVER REALLY DESIGNATED OFFICIALLY HISTORIC AREAS. SINCE THEY HAVE IT, THEY MIGHT

NOT WANT TO. >> THEY MIGHT WANT TO.

THE IDEA AND THE INCENTIVE. I REMEMBER THE ARCHIVES OF GREEN COVE SPRINGS WERE ANNOUNCED WITH MUCH FANFARE.

THE CLERK OF THAT CITY HAS A SPARK FOR ALL THIS.

AND WE WERE VOLUNTEERING TO HELP.

BUT NOTHING EVER HAPPENED. >> PART OF THE HISTORIC ARCHIVE OFFICE THAT IS IN THE CITY BUILDING.

>> WELL, THE ROOM IS THERE. >> RIGHT, RIGHT.

AND IT NEVER CAME TO FRUITION. >> ACTUALLY, I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO THE DETAILS OF IT. IT HAD PEOPLE ASSIGNED.

AT LEAST TWO PEOPLE FROM THE CITY WERE ASSIGNED TO LEAD IT.

AND WE WERE THERE MEETING WITH A COUPLE OR A FEW TIMES.

AND THEY JUST EVAPORATED. NOTHING THERE.

BUT LIKE SO MANY THINGS, THE SQUEAKING WHEEL SEEMS TO BE THE PRINCIPLE THAT DOES SOMETIMES WORK.

IT HAS WORKED AT THE COUNTY LEVEL BEFORE.

THAT I KNOW OF. BUT YOU HAVE TO KEEP REMINDING THE COMMISSIONERS OR THE CITY COUNCIL ABOUT THE FACT THAT THIS IS IMPORTANT TO SOME OF THE CITIZENS.

AND THEY EVENTUALLY START TO FOCUS ON IT AND DO SOMETHING.

I THINK IN GREEN COVE RIGHT NOW, POLITICALLY, THE COUNCIL IS PROBABLY MORE LIKELY TO FOLLOW UP IF PEOPLE PROPOSE IT THAN

THEY HAVE BEEN FOR A LONG TIME. >> I AM WILLING TO GIVE THAT A SHOT. JUST TO KIND OF DRAW CLOSER TO THIS, IT SEEMS LIKE WE SHOULD ALL MAKE SURE WE ARE VERY AWARE OF WHAT IS IN THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION ELEMENT.

AND WE PROBABLY NEED TO UPDATE THIS OR LOOK AT UPDATING IT AND GO FURTHER TO DEFINE WHAT UPDATING REGULARLY MEANS.

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UPDATED. >> OKAY.

>> ALL RIGHT, WHERE ARE WE HERE? WHERE AM I AT? PUBLIC COMMENTS? ANY FURTHER COMMENT?

[STAFF COMMENTS]

>> THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. PLANNING DEPARTMENT IS THRILLED TO BE ABLE TO ANNOUNCE THAT WE HAVE HIRED A SENIOR PLANNER.

CHRIS COMES TO US FROM THE GRANTS DEPARTMENT.

AND HE HAS BACKGROUND WITH HISTORIC PRESERVATION.

AND HE WILL BE WORKING WITH YOU IN THE FUTURE.

>> YES, SO IT'S NICE TO MEET EVERYBODY.

I WOULD LIKE TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND ON A POTENTIAL COUNTY WIDE MASTER PLAN. HISTORICAL SURVEY.

EARLIER THIS YEAR, BETH INITIATED WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF STATE A $50,000 GRANT REQUEST TO COMPLETE AN HISTORICAL SURVEY FOR THE ENTIRETY OF CLAY COUNTY. THAT WAS SUBMITTED IN JULY.

AND THE LEGISLATURE WILL DEBATE IT UP UNTIL THE END OF SESSION NEXT YEAR IN JUNE. AND WE WILL FIND OUT NEXT YEAR IN JULY AS WELL IF WE RECEIVE THAT GRANT FUNDING.

IF WE GET THAT, WE WILL GET A COUNTY WIDE HISTORICAL SURVEY THAT WILL NOT ONLY LIST ALL THE PROPERTIES BUT CAN PERFORM SOME KIND OF RESEARCH INTO THE PROPERTIES AND SEE IF ANY OF THEM ARE IN PARTICULAR DANGER. AND THAT COULD HELP THE BOARD PRIORITIZE WHICH PROJECTS THEY WANT TO PETITION TO BECOME REGISTERED HISTORIC IN THE COUNTY.

>> WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT HISTORIC PROPERTIES, WHAT ARE YOU

INCLUDING? >> IT IS EVERYTHING FROM ARCHEOLOGICAL TEXTS CEMETERIES, RESIDENTIAL, AND COMMERCIAL AS WELL AS. AND NOT JUST BUILDINGS, ALSO

AREAS, SITES AS WELL. >> SO IF THIS THING IS APPROVED BY THE STATE, WHAT DOES THE COUNTY GET?

>> SO THEN THE COUNTY WILL GET THE $50,000, AND IT WOULD PUT OUT TO PROCUREMENT A BID FOR PROFESSIONAL HISTORICAL ORGANIZATIONS TO APPLY AND GO THROUGH THE PROCUREMENT PROCESS.

AND THE END RESULT WOULD BE, WE WOULD DEFINE OUR SCOPE OF WORK IN THE PROCUREMENT DOCUMENT. BUT THE END RESULT WOULD BE A NICE HISTORICAL PLAN OR HISTORICAL PROPERTIES PLAN THAT WE CAN USE. AND ONCE WE HAVE THAT DOCUMENT, IT HELPS WITH GOING AFTER OTHER MONEY IN THE FUTURE.

IF WE HAVE A PROFESSIONAL SURVEY OF THE COUNTY.

IT IS A NEXT STEP THAT LARGER COUNTIES HAVE ALREADY TAKEN.

IT IS AN IMPORTANT STEP IF WE WANT TO REDEFINE THE ACTIVITIES OF THE BOARD AND KIND OF GIVE US A DOCUMENT THAT WE CAN REFER TO.

A BASE LEVEL. >> A LOT OF THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN DONE AT THE STATE LEVEL WITH THE FLORIDA MASTER -- NOT JUST CEMETERIES BUT ARCHEOLOGICAL SITES.

SO WHAT ADDITIONAL THINGS WOULD WE BE ABLE TO GET OUT OF IT?

>> THE BIGGEST HELP WOULD BE PROFESSIONAL RECOMMENDATIONS ON NEXT STEPS. AND ALSO, WE HAVE THE LIST OF PROPERTIES FROM THE STATE FILED. BUT WE DON'T KNOW THE CONDITION OF THOSE PROPERTIES, IF THEY ARE IN DANGER OF BEING REDEVELOPED OR LOSING THEM. AND SO IT WILL HELP US PRIORITIZE THOSE AS FAR AS, WHAT CAN WE PRESERVE?

>> WOULD YOU BE WORKING WITH THE FLORIDA PUBLIC ARCHEOLOGY NETWORK? BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT THEY DO.

>> I ASSUME SO. THAT WOULD BE IN OUR SCOPE OF WORK. IF WE GET THE GRANT, THEN WE DECIDE, WHAT DO WE WANT EXACTLY OUT OF THIS DOCUMENT? ANY PARTICULARS WE WOULD WANT, WE COULD ADD THAT TO THE SCOPE OF WORK. AND THE PERIOD A PERFORMANCE IS TYPICALLY ONE YEAR. WITHIN ONE YEAR OF NEXT JULY WE

WOULD HAVE OUR FINAL DOCUMENT. >> SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT WAS ENDANGERMENT FROM DEVELOPMENT OR

OTHER THINGS, RIGHT? >> YES.

>> STEVE AND I ARE BOTH TRAINED HERE MONITORING SCOUTS OF THE

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IF THERE IS ANY ENVIRONMENTAL OR DEVELOPMENT OR ANY OTHER THINGS THAT ARE ON THERE. AND THAT ALL GETS REPORTED TO FPAN. A LOT OF THIS IS ALREADY BEING DONE. THEY JUST NEED TO UTILIZE IT.

>> JUST TO CLARIFY, IT'S NOT JUST CEMETERIES, IT'S ANY

ARCHEOLOGICAL UNDERSTATEMENT. >> RIGHT.

HERITAGE SCOUTS, WE ARE DOING SITE VISITS ON HISTORICAL CEMETERIES IN CLAY COUNTY. SO WE ARE ALREADY DOING THINGS FOR ENVIRONMENTAL AND DEVELOPMENT AND THINGS OF THAT SORT. SO I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT THAT WE MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE ENGAGED AT THE RIGHT LEVEL.

AND NOT REINVENTING THE WHEEL. >> I WOULD AGREE WITH YOU.

>> DID I UNDERSTAND YOU TO SAY THAT THE GRANT BEING SOUGHT IN

THE AMOUNT OF $2000? >> $50,000.

>> THAT IS BETTER. I WAS WONDERING WHO WE COULD GET

TO DO ALL OF THIS. >> SO ON THE ANNUAL REPORT THAT WE HAVE TO PROVIDE TO THE STATE FOR THE CERTIFIED LOCAL GOVERNMENT FOR THE BOARD THAT YOU ARE, WE HAVE TO PROVIDE THAT THERE'S ALWAYS A QUESTION THAT ASKS WHEN THE LAST SURVEY WAS DONE OF YOUR COUNTY. OBVIOUSLY IN THE LAST SIX YEARS, THERE HAS NOT BEEN A SURVEY. I DON'T KNOW HOW FAR BACK.

>> '89. >> '89.

IT'S TIME THAT WE'VE HAD A SURVEY.

>> WELL IN FACT THAT '89 WAS THE TIME WHEN WE HAD A PROFESSIONAL ASSIGNED TO SUPERVISE THAT THING.

>> IF I MAY. I JUST TEXT TO STEVE, HISTORIC PROPERTY ASSOCIATES USED TO BE INCORPORATED.

IT IS NOW AN LLC OUT OF SAINT AUGUSTINE.

THEY DID THE ONE HERE. SO IF YOU CAN FIND IT IN THE COUNTY CAN I FIND IT. MAYBE WE CAN FIND THE CONTACT NEXT DOOR THAT HAS AT LEAST SOME FAMILIARITY GEOGRAPHICALLY.

AND NOT FARM OUT TO SIX COUNTIES AWAY OR THREE STATES AWAY.

SO WITH THAT IN MIND. ALSO THROUGH THIS HISTORIC ELEMENT, THIS COLLABORATE, COOPERATE IS REPEATEDLY.

SO IF THERE IS SOMETHING ELSE OUT THERE, COLLABORATE AND COOPERATE WHEN SOMEBODY COMES IN, I THINK SOME OF THE STUFF I READ THROUGH FROM THIS 1989 STUFF, I READ IN 1990.

I READ THIS AS SOON AS THIS THING CAME OUT AS NOVEMBER '89.

THEY WENT AND FOUND OTHER STUFF AND BROUGHT IT TO THE TABLE TO PUT IN THEIR STUFF, SAVING THEM SURVEY TIME.

IF THERE IS STUFF OUT THERE, AS KATHY HAS MENTIONED LIKELY TO BE, BY ALL MEANS, THAT IS A PROFESSIONAL THING TO DO.

IS TO GO GET THAT STUFF AND BRING IT.

COLLABORATE COOPERATE. OVER AND OVER AGAIN.

INCLUSION. ALL IN THAT ELEMENT.

IT IS VERY MUCH ABOUT INCLUDING, INCLUDING, COOPERATING, WORKING TOGETHER. HOPEFULLY THAT IS HELPFUL.

>> THANK YOU, MR. YEAMAN. >> OKAY.

SEE WHAT YOU ARE GETTING INTO? [LAUGHS]

>> ALL RIGHT, IF WE COULD MOVE ON --

>> ACTUALLY, I HAVE A FEW MORE THINGS.

SO THE FORT HEILMAN MARK I. LAST MONTH YOU TALKED ABOUT THE LOCATION. I'M CHECKING INTO AND HAVEN'T HEARD BACK. WHILE WE HAVE SOMEONE HERE, THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT, WHY WAS IT LOCATED WHERE IT IS LOCATED? DO YOU HAPPEN TO KNOW WHY IT WAS LOCATED? BECAUSE YOU ALL WERE SAYING IT WAS A TERRIBLE LOCATION THERE IN FRONT OF THE SHOPPING CENTER.

VEGETATION. >> IT SHOULD BE ELSEWHERE.

SOMEBODY MOVED IT. >> MY FIRST MEMORY OF IT GOES BACK TO ABOUT 1989. AND IT WAS ACTUALLY RIGHT ON BLANDING AT THE BRIDGE. THAT BRIDGE WENT INTO ROAD WORK, BRIDGE WORK. THE SIGN HAD TO BE MOVED VERY SPECIFICALLY FOR THE SAME REASON THEY MOVED THE SIGNS OUT OF THE SHAMS. IT HAD TO BE MOVED BECAUSE OF THE CONSTRUCTION. SO WHATEVER BLESSING HAD TO BE DONE, IT WAS TEMPORARY IN NATURE.

AND IT WAS MOVED TEMPORARY IN NATURE DUE TO CONSTRUCTION.

THAT IS THE KNOWLEDGE THAT I HAVE.

THAT OCCURS FROM TIME TO TIME. IT IS WHAT IT IS.

BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT IT WAS EVER GIVEN A SPECIFIC BLESSING.

TO ME, IT SHOULD BE DOWN MORE CLOSER TO THE BOAT RAMP.

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IN THAT VICINITY WHICH WOULD BE OVER BY DOCTOR STONE'S HOUSE.

IN THAT VICINITY IN THAT RUN FROM MAIN.

>> THERE IS A STATE MARKER DOWN THERE.

THERE IS ANOTHER MARKER DOWN THERE.

>> IN THE BOAT RAMP? >> NOT THE BOAT RAMP BUT WHERE HE IS TALKING ABOUT. WHARF AND MAIN STREET.

>> KEEP IN MIND, GENERAL GEIGER'S MARKER IS VERY APPROPRIATE, BECAUSE HE GREW UP ON THE BANKS OF WHERE THAT BAPTIST CHURCH IS. RIGHT THERE ON 21 JUST ON THE NORTH SIDE OF 218. SO WHEN WE PUT THE GENERAL GEIGER'S MARKER IN. AND THE HAMMER FOR THAT WAS THOSE IN THE MARINE CORPS LEAGUE THEY WOULDN'T LET THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY OFF THE HOOK. THEY KEPT ON HAMMERING ON GETTING THAT ACKNOWLEDGED WITH THE STATE MARKER.

>> YOU CAN'T EVEN HARDLY SEE THE HEILMAN MARKER.

IT IS OVERGROWN WITH VEGETATION RIGHT THERE ON BLANDING.

>> IT IS LOWER THAN THE MARKERS. >> YEAH.

OKAY. NOT IN A GOOD LOCATION.

NOT CLEARLY VISIBLE. >> WELL, I'M WAITING TO HEAR.

THAT MARKER SAYS IT WAS PUT IN BY THE FLORIDA BOARD OF PARKS AND HISTORIC MARKERS. THAT IS OBVIOUSLY DIFFERENT FROM THE STATE AGENCY HAS CHANGED AT THE TIME.

I'M WAITING TO HEAR WHAT THEY SAY ON THAT.

STEVE AND KATHY, YOU HAD MENTIONED, YOU WERE GOING TO EMAIL FOR RECOGNITIONS. I REALIZED MY EMAIL INVITE FOR THE MEETING, I INCLUDED THE CATEGORIES THAT YOU ALL HAD WANTED A REMINDER OF. THAT WAS MAYBE TOO LATE FOR YOU AT THAT POINT TO SEND YOUR EMAILS.

PLEASE DO. IF YOU ARE WILLING TO HAVE SOMEONE PUT ON THE AGENDA FOR CONSIDERATION FOR RECOGNITIONS.

LOOK AT THAT FOR THE NEXT MEETING.

I WILL CERTAINLY SEND OUT THE COMP PLAN AND A RENEWED LINK SO THAT YOU CAN ACCESS ALL OF THOSE RESOURCES.

IF YOU HAVE ANY TROUBLE, PLEASE LET US KNOW.

IF YOU CAN'T ACCESS THEM. THE LAST ITEM IS OBVIOUSLY, WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT BEING IN A TIGHT BUDGET YEAR.

THE BOARD HAS DIRECTED US TO GO TO FOUR TIMES A YEAR -- WHICH IS THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENT FOR THE CLG.

TO HAVE FOUR MEETINGS PER YEAR IN A CALENDAR YEAR.

SO WITH THAT, I WOULD SUGGEST ONCE A QUARTER.

AND PERHAPS DOING NOVEMBER, FEBRUARY, MAY, AND AUGUST.

IF THOSE WOULD MEET WITH YOUR TIMES.

THAT SKIPS THE DECEMBER MEETING THAT YOU USUALLY HAVE OFF AND THE JULY MEETING. NOVEMBER, FEBRUARY, MAY, AND

AUGUST WOULD BE YOUR MEETINGS. >> THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS THAT

RESTRICTED US TO FOUR MEETINGS? >> FOUR MEETINGS, YES.

LIKE I SAID, IN A TIGHT BUDGET YEAR.

THEY ASKED US FOR SUGGESTIONS ON COST SAVINGS AND ONE OF THE THINGS I PRESENTED WAS THIS AS WELL AS THE AC BOARD'S REDUCINGE NUMBERS. BECAUSE WE ARE ONLY REQUIRED TO MEET FOUR TIMES. I HAD RECOMMENDED FIVE, BECAUSE IN CASE YOU DIDN'T HAVE A QUORUM, AND THEY CAME BACK AND SAID THE FOUR. SO FOUR MEETINGS A YEAR.

THAT IS NOW ONCE A QUARTER. OUR AGENDAS ARE LIGHT.

SO THIS WOULD BE OPPORTUNITY TO GET MORE WORK ONTO ONE AGENDA.

>> TO SAVE MONEY -- WHICH MEANS YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT OVERHEAD.

TELEVISIONS, THAT IS THE OVERHEAD.

>> YES. THAT IS ALL COST.

>> I'M WONDERING IF I'M MISSING A PAYCHECK HERE.

>> NO, SORRY. YOUR TIME IS VALUABLE TOO.

IF WE HAVE A REALLY LIGHT AGENDA, IT'S A LOT FOR YOU TO DRIVE FROM YOUR LOCATION TO COME IN HERE FOR TEN OR 15 OR 20 MINUTE MEETING OR HALF AN HOUR MEETING OR SO.

SO AS LONG AS THAT IS OKAY SCHEDULEWISE.

>> STILL NON-NEGOTIABLE. >> THAT IS WHAT THE BOARD

DIRECTED US. >> WE CAN GO AND ADDRESS THE BOARD ABOUT IT. I CAN SEE THAT WE AREN'T GOING TO MAKE MUCH PROGRESS FOUR TIMES A YEAR.

>> THAT IS WHY WE HAD TO HAVE PRIORITIES.

>> NOT ONLY THAT, BUT Y'ALL ARE FORGETTING, WE CAN'T DO WORK GROUPS OR SUBCOMMITTEES AND NOT KNOCK OUT A LOT OF THIS STUFF IN SUBCOMMITTEES TO BRING BACK DURING THE FOUR QUARTERLY MEETINGS TO VOTE ON AND MOVE FORWARD.

>> I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THAT, BECAUSE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT MEETING FOR NOMINATIONS, THOSE OF US ON THE NOMINATION BOARD.

THE NEXT THING YOU KNOW, BETH HAS TO BE THERE.

IT HAS TO BE IN A PUBLIC PLACE. YOU SUDDENLY HAVE OVERHEAD.

>> I DID NOT HAVE TO BE THERE. IT HAS TO BE IN A PUBLIC PLACE.

IT HAS TO BE NOTICED SO THAT THE PUBLIC CAN JOIN YOU.

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>> WE HAVE DONE SUBCOMMITTEES BEFORE.

WE JUST MET AT THE LOCAL LIBRARY BUILDING.

YOU JUST CAN'T DO IT -- >> PUBLICIZE IT.

>> YOU CAN'T DO IT ON THE SPUR OF THE MOMENT.

YOU HAVE TO HAVE IT PLANNED OUT. SO YOU CAN SO THEY CAN ANNOUNCE IT ON THE WEBSITE. BUT THERE IS NOTHING THAT STOPS US FROM DOING IT. WE DID SOME GOOD WORK IN THE

SUBCOMMITTEES. >> NEW TO ME, BUT I AM NEW.

>> I DON'T THINK IT IS GOING TO END WELL IF.

>> SO WHEN DOES THE FISCAL YEAR FOR THE COUNTY START?

>> OCTOBER 1. >> DO WE HAVE A ROUNDABOUT

BUDGET YET FOR THAT? >> IS NOT ADOPTED IT'S AROUND $14,000. REMEMBER CORRECT WE HAVE MARKERS THAT ARE IN THE WORKS. THE SAINT MARY'S MARKER -- WHICH WENT INTO PRODUCTION. I THINK IT WAS MARCH IT IS NOT GOING TO BE COMPLETED UNTIL OCTOBER.

SO THAT ONE AS WELL AS THE OTHERS THAT WE HAVE GOT.

THE COLORED MUSEUM IS ALSO IN THERE AS WELL AS MIDDLEBURG.

MIDDLEBURG COLORED SCHOOL AND MIDDLEBURG MUSEUM.

SO TWO OF THOSE THREE ARE IN PRODUCTION.

AND THE LAST ONE IS WAITING ON COUNCIL.

>> COUNCIL AS IN? >> THE STATE COUNCIL TO REVIEW.

>> SO WE WILL STILL MEET IN OCTOBER, BECAUSE THE FISCAL YEAR

WILL START AFTER THAT? >> IT STARTS OCTOBER 1.

NOVEMBER WOULD BE YOUR FIRST MEETING.

>> AND IT LOOKED LIKE YOU MIGHT HAVE HAD A MOCK UP FOR THE

RECOGNITION CERTIFICATE. >> YES.

>> I TRIED TO ENLARGE IT, AND I COULDN'T.

OKAY, HOW DID YOU GET THIS? >> IT WAS IN THERE.

>> OKAY, VERY GOOD. >> OBVIOUSLY, THE WORDING IS NOT THERE. THAT IS JUST WHAT THEY DO.

>> I SAW LITTLE TEENY TINY. WAS THIS THE POINT WE WERE GOING

TO MENTION SCHWAB? >> AT WHAT POINT ARE WE GOING TO

DO THAT? >> I CAN AS WELL.

SHAWN, OUR FORMER CHAIR HAS RESIGNED FROM THE COMMITTEE -- WHICH I DID TELL YOU BEFORE THE MEETING.

WE GREATLY APPRECIATE HIM BEING ON THE COMMITTEE AND SERVING AND HIS TIME THAT HE HAS PROVIDED TO US.

AND WE WISH HIM WELL IN HIS NEXT ENDEAVOR.

>> KATHY, YOU WILL FOLLOW THROUGH AND EMAIL ABOUT MEGAN? WE WILL MAKE SURE SHE CAN MAKE THE NOVEMBER MEETING.

[BOARD MEMBER'S COMMENTS]

NOW BOARD COMMENTS. DO WE WANT TO START WITH

BARBARA? >> I THINK THE COMMENTS --

>> OKAY. REGARDING PORT NUMBER 11, I FIND SUCH A MESS OF I MASS OF INFORMO SUPPORT THE MARKER, I TRIED TO FIND IMAGES AVAILABLE OF IT AVAILABLE TO THE COUNTY TO FORWARD TO THE PEOPLE WHO WILL BE REVIEWING IT AT THE STATE LEVEL. SO WE WILL TRY TO SEE IF I CAN PUT THESE IMAGES ON A THUMB DRIVE.

A FEW HUNDRED IMAGES ACTUALLY. ONE OTHER THING THAT WOULD CAUSE A POSSIBLE MINOR REVISION OF THE TEXT THAT WAS LAST DISPLAYED, I WANT TO CONSULT WITH TOM ONE LAST TIME TO SEE WHERE THE ORIGINAL PROPOSED TEXT MENTIONED THIS BODY OF WATER CALLED SOLDIER'S POND. BECAUSE I CAN'T FIND ANYTHING ABOUT IT. IT WOULD BE WONDERFUL TO MENTION IT IF IT CAN BE DOCUMENTED. HOPEFULLY I CAN GET -- OTHERWISE, I THINK THE EXISTING TEXT WOULD STAND.

>> SO THE SUBMISSION FOR FORT 11 HAS NOT BEEN DONE?

>> WHAT? >> THE SUBMISSION FOR THE

MARKER. >> APPARENTLY THE DOCUMENTATION TO SUPPORT IT HAS BEEN CIRCULATING.

IT HASN'T BEEN SUBMITTED APPARENTLY YET.

IS THAT NOT THE CASE? >> I DON'T HAVE THE FINAL LANGUAGE. YOU HAVEN'T SENT THE FINAL TEXT

LANGUAGE TO ME. >> OH, THERE IT IS.

>> WHEN YOU DO THAT, I WILL HAPPILY PUT IT ON THE AGENDA FOR

YOU. >> BETH, DO WE NEED TO TALK

ABOUT SELECTING A NEW CHAIR? >> SINCE SHAWN HAS RESIGNED,

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>> FOR VICE CHAIR, RIGHT? >> FOR CHAIR.

>> I WAS JUST GOING TO MENTION. I GOT TO GO VIEW A STEAMSHIP THAT WAS USED IN GREEN COVE, A PASSENGER STEAMSHIP CALLED THE PASTIMES. IT IS IN THE NATIONAL FOREST.

WE ARE TRYING TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY WAY IT COULD BE RESTORED AND MAYBE SOMEBODY IN GREEN COVE, EVEN THE CLAY COUNTY HISTORICAL SOCIETY WAS KIND OF TOYING WITH THE IDEA.

BUT ONCE WE FOUND OUT THE PRICE TAG ON IT, IT IS JUST IMPOSSIBLE. THE BASS -- WHAT'S IT CALLED? THE BIG FISHING STORE CORPORATION. BASS PRO SHOPS OR WHATEVER THEY ARE. THEY WANTED TO GET IT RESTORED AND MOVE IT TO OUTSIDE OF THEIR STORE IN OCALA.

THE PRICE TAG WAS WAY OVER WHAT THEY COULD DO.

I THINK IT WAS OVER $200,000. UNFORTUNATELY, IT IS GOING TO BE SCRAPPED. BUT ARCHEOLOGISTS ARE GOING TO DO A FULL SURVEY OR PROBABLY ALREADY FINISHED THAT DOING A FULL SURVEY ON IT AND DOING A 3D PHOTOGRAPH MODEL OF IT -- WHICH WILL BE THEN SUBMITTED TO ARCHIVE.

SO WE WILL HAVE A RECORD OF IT HERE.

IT WAS OPERATED IN THE EARLY 1900S.

RIGHT AROUND 1905. AND IT WAS USED IN A MOVIE THAT BROOKE SHIELDS WAS IN. AND I EVEN WENT AND VIEWED THE MOVIE. I DID A LITTLE SHORT VIDEO INSTAGRAM ON IT WHICH I CAN SHARE WITH YOU, JERRY.

>> YES. BROOKE SHIELDS?

>> WHERE IS IT NOW? >> I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER OF THE PLACE IN OCALA FOREST WHERE THEY HAD THE MUSEUM.

IS IT BROOKSVILLE? THERE'S ACTUALLY A PLACE THERE THEY HAVE A MUSEUM. IF I LOOKED AT MY VIDEO HERE, I WOULD SEE WHERE IT WAS AT. THAT IS WHERE IT IS NOW.

AND THE MUSEUM HAS OWNERSHIP OF IT.

THEY ACTUALLY BROUGHT IT UP. IT WAS ACTUALLY AT THE BOTTOM OF THE INDIAN RIVER. THEY HAD TO PULL IT UP FROM.

IT WAS SUNK IN. THAT IS WHERE A LOT OF THE DAMAGE CAME FROM. I WILL SHARE OUT A VIDEO WITH YOU AS WELL. THAT IS IT FOR ME.

>> OKAY, I GUESS I'M NEXT. THE BIGGEST THING IS, I LIKED WHAT YOU SAID. IF I MISPRONOUNCE YOUR NAME I APOLOGIZE. I THINK WE NEED TO COME BACK AT OUR NEXT BOARD MEETING OR WHATEVER WITH SOME PRIORITIES.

SOMETHING THAT YOU FEEL IS IMPORTANT THAT NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT INSTEAD OF JUST THROWING STRAWS OUT HERE.

BECAUSE WE HAVE A TENDENCY TO DRIFT AWAY.

WE TALK ABOUT SOMETHING ONE MONTH, AND THE NEXT MONTH IT HAS KIND OF DISAPPEARED. AND IT COMES BACK.

THE OTHER THING IS I WANTED TO ASK, I KNOW THERE'S A LIST OF STATE MARKERS, THE HISTORICAL STATE MARKERS.

DO WE HAVE A LIST OF COUNTY MARKERS THAT HAVE BEEN ERECTED IN CLAY COUNTY? QUESTION BY THE

BOARD? >> NOT PUBLISHED ON OUR WEBSITE OR ANYWHERE. YOU CAN DO A GOOGLE SEARCH FOR A STATE HISTORIC MARKERS. AND YOU CAN SEPARATE AND ISOLATE FOR CLAY. AND IT WILL COME UP WITH A LIST

OF CLAY. >> ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I THOUGHT ABOUT, I WOULD LIKE -- AND I KNOW YOU ARE IN THE SAME DEPARTMENT. IT SHOULD BE YOUR JOB ALL THE TIME. IS TO KIND OF GO AROUND AND MAKE SURE THOSE MARKERS ARE STILL THERE AND LOOK AT THE CONDITION OF THEM. I THINK THAT IS A PART OF SOMETHING THAT WE AS AN INDIVIDUAL CAN DO.

>> BUT ARE THEY REALLY COUNTY MARKERS?

OR ARE THEY STATE MARKERS? >> IF THEY ARE STATE MARKERS IN CLAY COUNTY, AND IT IS ALL NASTY AND EVERYTHING, THEN WE NEED TO BE AWARE OF THAT SO THEN WE CAN CONTACT THE APPROPRIATE AUTHORITIES AT THE STATE. WITH THE COUNTY MARKERS, WE TALKED ABOUT COUNTY MARKERS. HAS A CAR RUN INTO IT, AND WE DIDN'T KNOW OR A TREE FALLING ON IT.

>> HAVE WE REALLY PUT UP ANY COUNTY MARKERS UNTIL RECENTLY?

>> THE ONLY ONE THAT I REALLY KNOW OF -- AND I AM GOING TO

RELY ON BETH AND GERRY. >> 218.

>> OVER THERE ON FOREMAN CIRCLE. THERE IS ONE THAT IS OFF THE ROAD ON THE HOMESTEAD. MR. FOREMAN.

IT'S A MARBLE TYPE OR STONE TYPE ARGUMENT THAT I BELIEVE WAS PUT IN THERE BY THE COUNTY. BUT THAT IS THE ONLY ONE.

WE DID PUT UP THE ONE THERE AT 218 AND HENLEY ROAD.

BUT THAT IS JUST -- >> THAT IS A SIGN.

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>> THAT IS A BRIEF -- MORE OF A WAYMAKER TYPE OF SIGN SAYING, THERE WAS A BATTLE HERE BETWEEN HERE AND HERE.

IT IS NOT LIKE THE ONE LIKE WE DID --

>> THE MIDDLEBURG MUSEUM. >> THE MIDDLEBURG MUSEUM THAT TELLS THE STORY OF IT. SO THOSE ARE THE ONLY THREE ONES I KNOW OF. NOW THERE IS ONE ON MAIN STREET.

I SENT BETH A PICTURE OF IT ONE TIME BEFORE.

THAT IS A SIGN THAT WAS PUT UP. BUT NOBODY KNOWS ABOUT ANYTHING

ABOUT WHO PUT IT UP. >> THE THOMAS ONE?

>> I CAN TELL YOU, IT WASN'T MADE IN THE SIGN SHOP, BECAUSE I KNEW I WORKED WITH THE PREVIOUS SIGN SUPERVISOR THAT WAS HERE FOR OVER 35 YEARS. AND HE DIDN'T MAKE THAT SIGN.

SO I KNOW, THOSE ARE THE ONLY ONES I KNOW OF IN THE COUNTY THAT I WOULD SAY ARE TRULY COUNTY MARKERS THAT DIDN'T GO THROUGH THE STATE MARKER PROCESS.

AND THE BIG CAST IRON OR CAST ALUMINUM TYPE MARKERS.

>> OF COURSE NOW, THERE IS THE COUNTY MARKER IN MIDDLEBURG.

>> YES, I'M TALKING ABOUT BEFORE THAT ONE.

THE STONE WENT FOR FOREMAN. LIKE I SAID, THE ONE ON WARP AND MAIN STREET. I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT ONE CAME FROM OR WHOEVER DID IT. AND THEN THE ONE THAT WE DID AT 218 AND HENLEY FOR THE BATTLE. THOSE ARE THE ONLY ONES THAT I KNOW OF BEFORE WE CAME UP WITH THE STANDARDIZED SIGN AND STUFF THAT WE ARE GOING TO BE USING GOING FORWARD.

AND THE MUSEUM ONE WAS THE FIRST ONE THAT WE DID.

>> BY THE WAY, SEVERAL YEARS AGO, IT WAS ANNOUNCED TO US THROUGH OUR THEN REPRESENTATIVE WITH THE COUNTY THAT THE COUNTY HAD DECIDED THAT FUTURE COUNTY SIGNS THAT HAD HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE SHOULD HAVE A SPACE AT THE BOTTOM TO PROVIDE A LINK FOR FURTHER INFORMATION FOR PEOPLE WHO WANTED TO KNOW MORE.

AGAIN, THAT SORT OF VANISHED AS FAR AS I CAN SEE.

>> SORRY TO INTERJECT. THAT IS EXACTLY --

>> SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT FOLLOWED UP ON.

WE ARE NOW BEING TOLD MORE AND MORE WHAT TO DO BY THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS AND THEIR SALARIED AGENTS.

WHAT EXTENT THAT WE CAN CAUSE THAT TO HAPPEN, I THINK WE OUGHT TO TRY TO DO IT. BECAUSE PEOPLE WHO WANT TO KNOW MORE ABOUT THE RAID OR THE REST OF THE INFORMATION ABOUT HOW THE PROJECTS WERE LAUNCHED. BUT RIGHT NOW, THERE IS NO -- THAT LINK THAT WE ARE SUPPOSEDLY GOING TO GO ON OLD COUNTY MARKERS IS SORT OF DISAPPEARED AS A REQUIREMENT.

>> WHEN YOU SAY COUNTY MARKERS WHAT COUNTY MARKERS? THAT WAS AN EFFORT WITH THE COUNTY SIGNS THAT THE TOURISM

DIRECTOR WAS DOING. >> HE'S TALKING ABOUT LIKE THE ONE WE DID FOR THE MUSEUM. THERE WAS TALK OF ME AND YOU AND THE PREVIOUS TOURISM DIRECTOR TALK ABOUT DOING THE QR CODE.

THAT COULD BE DONE. IF I REMEMBER RIGHT, THE ISSUE WAS ABOUT, WE CAN DO THE CODE. IT IS THE WEB HOSTING PART THAT WE WERE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT. I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE EVER

CIRCLED BACK TO THAT. >> I DON'T KNOW WHY THAT CAN'T

BE DONE BY ARCHIVES. >> THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT TOURISM WAS LOOKING FOR SUPPORT FROM THIS BOARD FOR POSSIBLY DEVELOPING THE MATERIAL TO BE THAT QR CODE LINK.

WE CAN FOLLOW UP AND SEE. OUR WEBSITE HAS CHANGED A GOOD BIT. SO WE MAY NEED TO FIND OUT WHERE IT COULD BE HOSTED. THINGS HAVE CHANGED SINCE THAT WHOLE EFFORT BACK THEN WAS AT LEAST SIX YEARS AGO REALLY.

>> MORGAN WAS -- >> CORRECT.

AND THE TOURISM DIRECTOR HAS CHANGED.

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>> ONE OF THE ISSUES WAS WE DIDN'T WANT THE QR CODE AND FIVE YEARS FROM NOW, SOMEBODY GO UP THERE AND SCAN IT AND IT GOES TO

A BROKEN PAGE. >> AND QR CODES CAN GET HACKED

AND THINGS LIKE THAT. >> THERE WAS SOME SECURITY ISSUES. THERE WERE SOME ISSUES THAT WERE ON THE TECHNICAL SIDE THAT THEY WERE GOING TO TRY TO WORK OUT.

AS FAR AS PHYSICALLY ABLE, WE COULD PUT THE QR CODE ON THE SIGN. AND JUST TO ALSO SAY, ON THE STATE MARKERS, IF IT IS CALLED IN, OR MY GUYS -- WHEN I SAY MY GUYS, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE COUNTY SIGN EMPLOYEES.

WHEN THEY ARE OUT DOING THE ROUNDS CHECKING THE COUNTY SIGNS, LAST SUMMER OR THE SUMMER BEFORE.

WE HAD THE ONE ON 21 THAT WAS NOT HIT BUT TAKEN DOWN DUE TO THE CONSTRUCTION FOR THE PIPELINE, THE KEYSTONE.

IT GOT DAMAGED. WE PICKED IT UP.

I GOT IN CONTACT WITH BETH AND SHE WENT WITH THE STATE.

THE STATE PICKED UP THE SIGN AND REPAIRED IT AND REINSTALLED IT.

AND SO THAT JUST GIVES YOU A LITTLE BIT OF IDEA OF HOW THAT TYPE OF STUFF WOULD WORK. SO MAYBE WE WOULD CALL IT INTO US. IF WE WOULD SEE IT, WE WOULD DO IT. AND WE WOULD SECURE THE REMNANTS OF IT AND CALL THE STATE TO COME AND PREPARE TO REPLACE IT.

>> WHEN THE STATE REPAIRS IT, DO THEY BILL THE COUNTY?

>> THEY JUST DID IT. >> STEVE, WHEN YOU ARE DONE WITH KATHY, CAN YOU CIRCLE BACK TO ME?

>> ABSOLUTELY. WHY DON'T YOU GO AHEAD AND

COMMENT? >> IT IS NOT ON THIS PARTICULAR PART OF WHAT WAS INCLUDED IN OUR PACKET TO RENEW.

IT WAS ABOUT SECTION 106 REPORT. AND WE HAVEN'T ADDRESSED THAT.

IT IS ALL ABOUT -- IT SAYS THAT A CHPA ANNOUNCED INTENT TO REVISE ANNOUNCEMENTS ON JULY 24TH, THEY VOTED 60-5 TO ADVANCE THESE NEW REGULATIONS. IT IS PART OF 36 CFR PART 800.

ALL OF THIS STUFF IS STRANGE TO ME.

BUT I PRINTED OFF THAT WAS IN THE PACKET, BUT A SUMMARY THAT I FOUND ABOUT, WHAT IS THIS REALLY ABOUT? AND I DIDN'T KNOW IF WE WERE SUPPOSED TO DISCUSS THIS, IF IT IS REALLY RELEVANT TO US. BUT JUST ABOUT HOW A MAJOR PROPOSED CHANGES IS GOING TO BE A SINGLE DOCUMENT INSTEAD OF LOTS OF STEPS. THEY ARE NOT GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE EARLY CONSULTATION WITH SHPORTHPO OR TRIBES OR LOCAL GOVERNMENT AND THE PUBLIC BECOMES OPTIONAL RATHER THAN REQUIRE. AGENCIES MAY CONSULT ONLY IF THEY BELIEVE IT IS HELPFUL. BUT SOME OF THIS OTHER.

HISTORIC PROPERTIES -- AND A NARROW DEFINITION, ADVERSE EFFECTS. REPLACES A VOID, MITIGATE, AND MINIMIZE WITH A BROADER DIRECTIVE TO ADDRESS EFFECTS.

SO BEFORE YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO TRY TO MINIMIZE EFFECTS OR DAMAGES. AND NOW YOU JUST HAVE TO ADDRESS THEM. HEY, THIS MIGHT DESTROY THAT, BUT WHATEVER. THE PUBLIC DOESN'T HAVE TO BE THUS IT BECOMES DISCRETIONARY RATHER THAN MANDATORY.

AND SO IN A WAY, -- I DON'T HAVE THE BACKGROUND TO UNDERSTAND.

I UNDERSTAND, SUDDENLY, WHAT USED TO BE VERY CONTROLLED WITH THE PUBLIC, WITH THE LETTING EVERYONE KNOW, WITH MAKING SURE THERE AREN'T ADVERSE EFFECTS IS NOW SUDDENLY, WE ARE JUST GOING TO RAILROAD STUFF THROUGH. SO DOES THAT AFFECT US? I GUESS, WHAT IS THIS? IT SOUNDS LIKE THE FEDS ARE GOING TO DO WHAT THEY WANT TO DO.

AND THEY DON'T EVEN WANT TO TELL US ABOUT IT OR TALK ABOUT IT.

>> PRETTY MUCH. >> I AM IN A, OH, MY GOODNESS.

BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE WE PASSED IT. AND I LOOKED FOR A FUTURE TIMELINE. AND I DIDN'T SEE ANY FUTURE

TIMELINES. >> ONE OF THE PROBLEMS I THINK IS THAT THIS CAME TO US AS A HANDOUT WRITTEN UP BY THE NATIONAL TRUST FOR HISTORIC PRESERVATION -- WHICH IS A PRIVATE NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION. VERY PROMINENT BUT STILL.

WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW, IS IT TOO LATE FOR US OR ANYBODY WHO HAS AN INTEREST IN THIS TO DO ANYTHING? BECAUSE SO FAR, YOU HAVE TO -- IF YOU ARE GOING TO CHANGE REGULATIONS LIKE THAT, THERE HAS TO BE PUBLIC NOTICE.

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AND I DON'T REALLY SEE THAT FINAL COMMENT.

>> THE WAY I READ IT WHEN I ATTENDED THEIR MEETING WAS PRETTY MUCH THAT THIS DECISION WAS MADE AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL.

AND THAT THEY DO NOT HAVE TO -- IT IS ABOUT LANDS THAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT CONTROLS. AND THEY DO NOT HAVE TO INVOLVE

STATE OR LOCAL GOVERNMENTS. >> THAT IS FOR THEM.

BUT ANY REGULATION THAT IS FEDERAL REGULATION HAS TO BE OPEN TO PUBLIC COMMENT. AND THEY HAVE TO RESPOND TO WHAT THE PUBLIC COMMENT IS. THEY MAY STILL GO AHEAD AND DO WHAT THEY WANT TO DO. THAT IS WHAT I DON'T SEE HERE.

IS THERE STILL A FINAL RULE BEING PROPOSED?

>> I DON'T THINK SO. >> BECAUSE IT WOULD BE COMPLETELY ILLEGAL AS FAR AS I COULD TELL.

>> I WOULD LOOK AT -- BECAUSE I ATTENDED THEIR WEBINAR.

WHEN THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS.

BUT IF YOU GOOGLE IT AND LOOK AT ALL THE DIFFERENT STUFF, I THINK WE ARE GOING TO PASS THE TIMELINE.

THE TRUST BASICALLY WAS FIGHTING AGAINST IT.

AND I DON'T KNOW US AS INDIVIDUALS OR GROUPS HERE WOULD

HAVE ANY. >> ANY CITIZEN DURING THE TIME OF PUBLIC COMMENT IS ENTITLED -- AND YOU CAN GO ONLINE.

>> BUT I THINK WE ARE PAST THAT TIME.

>> MAY BE SO, MAYBE SO. IT WOULD BE GOOD TO VERIFY.

>> WE DON'T AGREE WITH IT, BUT HERE IT IS HOW IT COULD AFFECT

YOU. >> IT COULD HAVE A PROFOUND EFFECT ON EVERYTHING WE ARE TALKING ABOUT.

IT IS A BIGGIE. >> SO YOU ARE SAYING, KATHY, THIS IS JUST FEDERAL LANDS THAT THEY CAN NOW JUST DO WHATEVER THEY WANT TO DO WITH IT? OKAY.

THEY STILL HAVE SOME GUIDELINES. BUT ALL THESE WE HAVE TO TALK ABOUT THIS. WE HAVE TO MINIMIZE THIS.

WE CAN GO AHEAD AND BULLDOZE IT. >> THEY DON'T HAVE TO INFORM STATE OR LOCAL GOVERNMENT IN THEIR DECISIONS ON LANDS THAT

THEY FEDERALLY OWNED. >> SO REALLY, IT DOES AFFECT US AS INDIVIDUAL CITIZENS, BUT NOT WHAT WE ARE DOING HERE.

>> NOT WHAT WE ARE DOING HERE. IT WAS MORE OF A, YEAH.

KIND OF THIS IS WHAT IS GOING ON.

WRITE YOUR CONGRESSMAN. >> IT WOULD HAVE BEEN FRAMED DIFFERENTLY, I THINK IN TERMS OF THE SCOPE.

>> RITA, DO WE ADDRESS THE CONCERNS WITH SIGNS? SHOULD WE BE MORE VIGILANT WITH STATE SIGNS TO BE ABLE TO REPORT

THEM? >> I THINK SO.

THAT IS PART OF ANNUALLY TAKING THAT SURVEY.

THAT IF WE BECOME MORE AWARE OF IT, WHETHER IT IS BEING PART OF THE HISTORICAL WAY TO PRESERVE THAT.

AND THINGS HAPPEN. BEYOND OUR SCOPE.

AND IF A SIGN DOES GO MISSING, LIKE YOU -- I THINK IT IS BRANDING CEMETERY. AND THEN WE DON'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT IT IN FIVE YEARS. WHAT HAPPENED TO THIS SIGN? I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT AS PART OF OUR BOARD DUTIES -- AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT AS ONE OF OUR PRIORITIES.

WE COULD SPLIT IT UP. THERE'S NOT THAT MANY.

AND I KNOW A LOT OF THEM ARE ON CAMP BLANDING.

SO THAT WAS JUST ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WAS CURIOUS ABOUT IN TERMS OF LOOKING WHEN I WAS GOING OVER THE FLORIDA MASTER INDEX. AND THE OTHER THING -- AND THIS IS SOMETHING I CAN PUT ON MY LIST WHEN WE COME BACK NEXT TIME. I KNOW SHAWN WAS INTERESTED IN TRYING TO GET THE OLD COUNTY JAIL ON THE NATIONAL REGISTER.

SO THAT MAY BE SOMETHING, A PROJECT THAT WE WANT TO PUSH.

>> IT IS ON -- >> IT IS?

>> IT IS WITHIN THE MUNICIPALITY.

>> OKAY, BECAUSE HE WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT IT WAS NOT.

>> IT IS THE SECOND OLDEST JAIL IN FLORIDA.

>> HE HAD TALKED. I WILL CHECK.

>> THAT IS INTERESTING. SOME OF THESE KEY COUNTY HISTORIC BUILDINGS ARE LOCATED WITHIN GREEN COVE SPRINGS.

HOW DOES THAT PLAY OUT IN TERMS OF WHAT CAN BE DONE? THE ARCHIVES IS LOCATED THERE. AND YET IT IS WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS. IS THERE SOME SORT OF PRIORITY?

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>> THAT HAS ALWAYS BEEN A QUESTION.

IF YOU WERE -- THAT'S ALWAYS BEEN A QUESTION.

WE NEED TO LOOK INTO THAT. YOUR ROLE OF REVIEWING CERTIFICATES OF APPROVAL. IF A DESIGNATED PROPERTY WAS IN THE UNINCORPORATED PART OF THE COUNTY WHERE WE ISSUE BUILDING PERMITS UNDER OUR JURISDICTION, YOU WOULD REVIEW THOSE PARCELS AND THOSE PROPERTIES. IF IT IS IN THE CITY OF GREEN COVE SPRINGS, WE DON'T ISSUE BUILDING PERMITS.

SO THOSE PROPERTIES WILL NOT COME TO THIS BOARD FOR

DISCUSSION. >> BUT PERMITS ENTER INTO HISTORIC BUILDINGS THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN THERE FOR SO LONG.

>> BUT IT IS NOT OUR JURISDICTION WITHIN THE CITY OF GREEN COVE SPRINGS. WE DON'T ISSUE BUILDIG PERMITS

OR HAVING ANY SAY. >> EVEN IF IT IS COUNTY

PROPERTY? >> WHAT I THINK GERRY IS GETTING AT IS THE COUNTY JAIL. IF WE WANTED TO PUT UP A MARKER IN FRONT OF THE COUNTY JAIL, WOULD WE HAVE TO GET GREEN COVE'S PERMISSION, BECAUSE IT'S INSIDE THE CITY LIMITS.

IT'S ALSO COUNTY PROPERTY. SO WE PROBABLY WOULDN'T HAVE TO.

IF WE WENT OUTSIDE OF THE COUNTY PROPERTY THEN WE WOULD.

>> THAT IS UNDERSTANDABLE. >> THAT IS MANAGED BY PARKS AND

REC NOW IN THE HISTORIC DRIVE. >> IF I MAY, THE MOST RECENT EXAMPLE IS WHEN VIETNAM VETERANS OF AMERICA CAME RIGHT HERE.

I WAS PART OF THE TEAM, THE CREW THAT DID THE FALLEN WARRIORS MONUMENT AT THE HISTORICAL TRIANGLE.

ONCE WE HAD TO PUT A SHOVEL IN THE GROUND TO TAKE THAT OLD MONUMENT DOWN IN FACT WE RAISED $80,000.

ALL INDEPENDENTLY. THE COUNTY DIDN'T PUT ANY MONEY INTO IT OTHER THAN PUBLIC WORKS, COUNTY HELPING WITH IT.

AS SOON AS WE WERE AT THE HISTORICAL TRIANGLE TO DO A MONUMENT, EXCAVATION, SHE GOT INVOLVED IN DOING THE ARCHEOLOGICAL STUDY TO SHARE WHATEVER IS BEING DUG WAS BEING INVENTORIED BEING IN EXCESS SURVEY AND SO ON.

IF THERE ARE ANY ARTIFACTS. I DO KNOW FOR A FACT IN THE MUNICIPALITY AT THE HISTORICAL TRIANGLE CHECK FIGURATIVELY SPEAKING, YOU CAN'T PUT A TROWEL IN THE GROUND WITHOUT A PERMIT.

BECAUSE THAT IS DESIGNATED. IT IS COUNTY PROPERTY.

IT IS WITHIN THE CORPORATION. SO LET ME SAY IT AGAIN.

NOT THAT YOU DIDN'T HEAR IT THE FIRST TIME, BUT WHEN YOU READ IT, I THINK YOU'LL GET IT. THE COLLABORATION, THE COOPERATION. THAT IS WHAT IS WRITTEN OUT IN THAT ELEMENT. THERE ARE THINGS THAT THE ARCHIVES SHOULD BE DOING. THERE ARE THINGS THAT PLANNING AND ZONING SHOULD BE DOING. THERE ARE THINGS THAT THIS COMMISSION SHOULD DO. THERE IS A LOT OF INVOLVEMENT WITH HISTORICAL SOCIETIES THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY.

SO IT IS ABOUT VERY MUCH INCLUSION.

SO TO THAT POINT, IT ISN'T JUST THAT THIS IS INCORPORATED AND THIS IS UNINCORPORATED. AND WE ARE NOT TALKING TO YOU ANY MORE IF WE TAKE OUR TOYS AND GO HOME AND PLAY IN OUR SANDBOX.

YOU PLAY IN YOUR SANDBOX. THE LINES OF COMMUNICATION WILL BE OPEN. I SAW SOME OF THAT KID SLAM SHUT WHEN I WAS SITTING IN YOUR POSITION.

IT WAS JUST, NO, WE ARE NOT DOING THAT.

WE ARE NOT TELLING THEM. WE ARE NOT GOING TO DO THIS.

THEY ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT INSTEAD OF COMMUNICATING ABOUT

THE CONCERNS. >> BETH, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER ANYBODY ELSE SOMEHOW HEARD ABOUT THIS RESTRICTION OF FOUR TIMES A YEAR, BUT IT HAS CONSEQUENCES, I THINK, FOR FORMING COMMITTEES.

IF SOMETHING COMES UP, AND THERE'S THREE MONTHS IN BETWEEN, HOW CAN THAT BE CONSISTENT WITH WHATEVER RULE THE COMMISSIONER IS GOING TO LAY DOWN QUESTION MARKS B WHEN YOU WOULD HAVE TO DISCUSS IT AT YOUR NEXT MEETING THAT YOU WANT TO HAVE A SUBCOMMITTEE AND COME IN PREPARED AND MAKE SURE CHRIS KNOWS THAT IT NEEDS TO BE ON THE AGENDA FOR DISCUSSION.

AND ESTABLISHMENT AT THAT TIME THAT YOU WANT TO DO IT.

>> QUESTION, BESIDES -- I NOTICED THE PLANNING COMMISSION WHEN YOU READ THE ORDINANCE ON IT, IT IS ABOUT FIVE PAGES.

I DON'T KNOW, 12 OR 15 PAGES. DID THEY MODIFY ANY OF THOSE AT THE SAME TIME THAT THEY DECIDED TO CHANGE THE NUMBER OF

MEETINGS? >> MODIFY THE NUMBER OF PLANNING COMMISSION MEETINGS. I'M NOT SURE WHAT YOU ARE

ASKING. >> BEING NEW, I PRINTED OFF THE

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IT IS SO MUCH MORE IMPORTANT. I WOULD THINK.

I JUST WONDERED, IF THIS WAS PART -- IS THE FOUR MEETINGS PART OF A REVISION OF OUR RESPONSIBILITIES AND OUR RULES? OR DID THEY JUST DO THE LINE ITEM OF THE BUDGET AND LET'S CUT

IT BACK? >> IT WAS BASICALLY STATED THAT IT WOULD BE CUT BACK AS PART OF THE BUDGET PROCEEDINGS.

PART OF THE WORKSHOP. >> IF WE CANCEL A MEETING, WE HAVE TO GIVE THE PUBLIC NOTIFICATION.

TWO WEEKS, TWO DAYS OR WHATEVER IT IS.

THERE'S ALL DETAILS. >> THERE'S WIGGLE ROOM OBVIOUSLY. IF WE SET A SCHEDULE THESE MONTHS, YOU CAN HAVE AN ADDITIONAL MEETING IF YOU DON'T HAVE A QUORUM. YOU ARE REQUIRED TO HAVE THE FOUR MEETINGS TO MEET THE CLG REQUIREMENTS.

>> CLG IS? >> CERTIFIED LOCAL GOVERNMENT.

REQUIRED TO MEET FOUR TIMES A YEAR.

>> IT IS TOO BAD THEY THINK SO LITTLE OF OUR IMPORTANCE.

THAT WE ARE CUT DOWN. >> I'M NOT SURE THAT IS WHAT THEY ARE SAYING BY THIS. IT IS JUST A VERY TIGHT BUDGET.

AND SO THEY WERE LOOKING FOR WHATEVER OPPORTUNITIES THEY

COULD TO CUT BACK ON THINGS. >> DID THEY CUT BACK OTHER ONES OUT OF CURIOSITY LIKE TOURISM BOARD?

>> THERE WERE CUTS IN MANY DIFFERENT PLACES, MANY THINGS,

PROJECTS. >> THAT IS A PAST BUDGET OR

PROPOSED BUDGET? >> PROPOSED BUDGET.

>> PROPOSED? >> STARTING HEARINGS NEXT WEEK.

>> OKAY, SO IT MAY NOT HAPPEN. >> WELL, OKAY.

EVEN IF IT DOES HAPPEN, THEN THIS IS BECAUSE OF AN EMERGENT SITUATION WITH THE BUDGET SO THAT THEY MIGHT RETURN US TO MORE FREQUENT MEETINGS ONCE THE CRISIS IS OVER.

>> THAT IS A POSSIBILITY I GUESS.

FOR THE NEXT YEAR, IT IS FOUR MEETINGS.

>> WE MIGHT HAVE TO VOICE OUR CONCERNS AND BE THE SQUEAKY

WHEEL. >> YES, I THINK SO.

>> HOW MANY COMMISSIONERS ARE GOING TO MAY OR MAY NOT GET

ELECTED IN NOVEMBER 6TH? >> I BELIEVE THERE'S ONLY ONE UP

FOR ELECTION. >> KATHY.

>> I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING. THANK YOU.

>>

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