[CALL TO ORDER] [00:00:53] >> JOIN ME IN THE PLEDGE. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLA G OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. >> THE UP COMING DECISIONS ON PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION. [PUBLIC COMMENTS] >> >> IF THERE ARE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS FOR US TONIGHT, COME ON UP. >> I'D LIKE TO BE ABLE TO SPEAK AFTER Y'ALL SPEAK AND COMMENT. THIS IS TEN YEARS OF WAD GROWTH IS WHAT HAPPENED. THIS IS WHY WE'RE HERE RIGHT NOW. FROM NOT COLLECTING THE IMPACT FEES AND DOING THE RIGHT THING. WISE CHOICES WAS JUST MENTIONED IN A PRAYER. I DON'T THINK IT'S A WISE CHOSE FOR US TO BE SPENDING 16 TO $40 MILLION IN INTEREST AND FEES THAT COULD DO A LOT OF YOUR WISH LIST. SLOWER GROWTH WOULD BE BETTER GROWTH. MUCH BETTER GROWTH. GOING TO PAY FOR THE AREA THAT GOT BUILT UP WITHOUT THE IMPACT FEES. AND WHY THE NEXT TWO BOARDS ARE GOING TO HAVE TO DEAL WITH THIS LOAN THAT YOU ARE GETTING. I ASK -- I KNOW Y'ALL ARE PROBABLY GOING TO DO THIS, GET MOST AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT YOU COULD ON A LOAN. I ASK TO YOU LOOK AT THE LION'S BRIDGE. THIS IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE WHERE THEY COULD HAVE BUILT IT SO MUCH CHEAPER. ALL THESE ROADS THAT PAID FOR IMPACT FEES WHEN THEY BUILT THEIR STUFF, I JUST CAN'T EVEN BELIEVE THAT WE'RE SITTING HIGHWAY. I CAN'T BELIEVE I LOT OF THINGS THAT GET PASSED ON THIS BOARD. ALMOST EVERYTHING GETS PASSED. NOW WE'RE HERE. THE CITIZENS DON'T SEE HOW MUCH YOU'VE ALREADY APPROVED IN THESE AREAS. WHAT HAPPENS IF THE IMPACT FEES GO AWAY? THE WISH LIST OF $40 MILLION, I MEAN THE COULD DO A LOT OF YOUR WISH LIST SIR. [00:05:02] A LOT OF YOUR WISH LIST. YOU WANT AN ANIMAL SHELTER. I HEAR YOU TALK ABOUT ANIMAL SHELTER. WE NEED A HUMAN SHELTER FIRST FOR THE VETS AND HOMELESS CITIZENS. UNTIL WE GET AUDITED AND FIND OUT WHAT IS GOING ON HERE IN CLAY COUNTY. THANK YOU. >> WITH THE ISSUE, THERE ARE TWO ISSUES HERE AND I GOT A SUGGESTION ON ONE OF THEM IS THAT YOU ARE GOING FOR A BOND TO PAY FOR THE MAINTENANCE OF YOUR EXISTING ROAD NETWORK. I HAVE A SUGGESTION TO MAKE THAT THE OTHER HALF OF THAT SHOULD BE TO LOOK AT YOUR WORKS PROGRAM AND LOOK AT WHAT YOU CAN DO TO MINIMIZE THE FUTURE MAINTENANCE COST AND THERE ARE WAYS OF DOING HA ECONOMY MENTIONED IN THE EMAIL TO YOU. I'D LIKE THE THINK AHEAD AND THINK ABOUT HOW THE REDUCE MAINTENANCE COST IN THE FUTURE. YOU GOT NUMBER THREE AND FOUR AT 41. THIS SUBDIVISION HAS JUST BEEN BUILT. HOW MUCH IMPACT FEE DID THEY PAY OUT OF THIS 41 MILLION YOU ARE FIXING TO BORROW THE FIX ROADS BECAUSE SAND RIDGE ROAD WAS BAD BUT IT'S NOT AS BAD AS IT IS NOW WITH THIS NEW SUBDIVISION GOING ON. I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY EVERYBODY PAYS NEW LIVING AROUND HERE. IT'S SUBSTANTIAL, $41 MILLION IS A LOT OF MONEY. THERE IS NO SENSE IN MY AREA PAYING FOR $41 MILLION IN AN AREA THAT SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN APPROVED UNLESS THE INFRASTRUCTURE AFTERS PROVED FIRST AND DONE FIRST. I CAN'T UNDERSTAND WHERE $41 MILLION. THAT'S MY OPINION. THANK YOU SIR. >> ANYONE ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT [NEW BUSINESS] SECTION AND GO TO OUR PRESENTATION SECTION. WE'RE HERE TONIGHT FOR ONE PURPOSE ONLY IF I UNDERSTAND OUR DIRECTIVE FROM TWO WEEKS AGO IS TO DECIDE WHERE THE NEW ROADS ARE GOING TO BE BUILT. THAT'S WHAT OUR DECISION TONIGHT IS. >> WE WON'T BE DECIDING. WE'RE JUST DISCUSSING. >> WE'RE DISCUSSING WHERE THE NEREIDS ROADS WILL BE. WE'RE NOT VOTING ON THAT TONIGHT. THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THIS MEETING IS THAT CORRECT? >> YES MR. CHAIRMAN. >> I THINK YOU ARE GOING TO SET THE STAGE AND KICK THIS OFF. >> MR. CHAIRMAN, COMMISSIONERS, GOOD AFTERNOON. REALLY EXCITED TO BRING THIS AND DISCUSS THIS IN TODAY'S WORKSHOP. A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND BEFORE WE BEGIN. WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT BONGED AND ADDRESSING THESE ISSUE OFFENSE TRANSPORTATION THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY FOR ABOUT A YEAR NOW AND HOW TO ADDRESS THAT PROPERLY AT THE RIGHT TIME. SO OVERALL TO THINK ABOUT WHAT IS THE CAPACITY AT THE RIGHT TIME IS WHAT WE SHOULD BE THINKING ABOUT. AND THE MOVEMENT OF PEOPLE, BUSINESSES THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY AND THE TRANSPORTATION THROUGHOUT OUR NETWORK. AS WE EXAMINE THIS, WE REALLY TOOK A CLOSE LOOK AT THE TPO'S STUDY OFF OF DEFICIENT AND CRITICAL ROADWAYS. THERE WERE FOUR DEFICIENT AND CRITICAL ROADWAYS WE DEFINED. THEY LOOK AT FUTURE DEVELOPMENT AND LOOK AT WHAT THE ROAD IS HANDLING RIGHT NOW AS WE SPEAK AND TO ANTICIPATE THAT FUTURE DEVELOPMENT AND OTHER ROADWAY PROJECTS THROUGHOUT FDOT AND THROUGHOUT STATE AND THOSE THAT WOULD IMPACT THESE AREAS. WHEN WE TOOK THE PLAN OUT FOR THOSE SIX PROJECTS, WE HEARD FROM THE PUBLIC AND THE PUBLIC SAID WE WANT TO KEEP THINGS A LITTLE BIT SUBURBAN AND RURAL WAS A BIG PUSH THEY ASKED FOR. ANOTHER WAS PLEASE DO NOT SIX LANE A ROAD WITHIN THE COUNTY. AND WE HAD A SEX LANE WHICH WAS 220 IN THE AREA OF WAL-MART AND TARGET. THE STAFF WE TOOK A CLOSE LOOK AT THIS. IN THE MEANTIME WE HAD SUSAN FRAZIER CAME AND GAVE A BRIEF LAST WEEK TO YOU ON ALTERNATIVES ONE AND TWO AS WE TOOK A LOOK AT THAT. THE STAFF AND I GOT TOGETHER AND [00:10:03] WE LOOKED AT THE CAPACITY OF THE ROADS AND LOOKED AT COSTS. ROADS HAVE VERY EXPENSIVE. WHEN IT COMES TO ROADWAY AND BUILDING BRIDGES. I'LL GET INTO THOSE SPECIFICS AS WE GO THROUGH BRIEF. IT'S BUILT INTO THE NUMBERS THAT I'LL PRESENT TODAY. WE HEARD FROM THE COMMISSION ITSELF PLEASE TAKE A LOOK AT ADDING FIBER TO THE COST. THOSE NUMBERS ARE ALSO ADDED IN. SO TO LOOK AHEAD. AND MICHAEL MENTIONED TO TAKE A LOOK AT THIS SMARTLY. WHAT ARE WE LOOKING AT 20 YEARS FROM NOW AND ARE WE ABLE TO HAND THAT WILL CAPACITY WITH THESE ROADS. AND THEN FINALLY , THE BIGS ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM IS HOW MUCH MONEY ARE WE ABLE TO BOND. IT'S APPROXIMATELY $123,030,000,000. IF WE HAD A BLANK CHECKBOOK IT WOULD BE A LOT MORE PROJECTS I'D BE BRIEFING TODAY THAN THE SIX IN A MINUTE. INITIAL QUESTIONS FOR ME BEFORE I BEGIN? >> POINT OF CLARIFICATION I WANT TO MAKE. ALTHOUGH WE'RE TALKING ABOUT LARGE PROJECTS WHICH THERE ARE SOME IN EACH DISTRICT, WE ALSO HAVE A PLAN IN PLACE TO INCREASE BECAUSE THIS WILL BE BONDED MONEY, WE ALSO ARE GOING TO LOOK AT INCREASING FUNDING FOR SOME REPAVING AND THEN IN SOME CASES DIRT ROADS. THIS DOESN'T MEAN THAT NOTHING SELLS BEING SPENT ON OTHER ROADS. I KNOW THERE IS A LOT OF ROADS OUT THERE I'D LIKE TO SEE PAVED AND RESURFACED. AND WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THAT IN A DIFFERENT DISCUSSION I. WANT TO CLARIFY THIS ISN'T TO THE EXCLUSION OF THOSE. THIS IS JUST A FOCUS ON THE BONDING PROJECTS SPECIFICALLY. >> THAT'S CORRECT. A COUPLE OF THINGS TO NOTE ON THAT. AT THE BOTTOM OF SOME OF THE SLIDES I HAVE CIP FUNDING. WITHIN OUR CIP WE HAVE TO ADDRESS THOSE PROJECTS IN THE LATER YEARS. NOT THIS YEAR BUT THE FOLLOW ON YEARS. WE'LL HAVE TO HAVE A MEETING TO ADDRESS WHAT WE WANT TO USE THAT CIP FUNDING FOR. AND WOULD BE ROADWAY PROJECTS AN THAT'S WHAT THE TAX IS FOR AND WE'RE GOING TO FOCUS ON SPENDING THE MONEY. THERE ARE OTHER PROJECTS ON HERE AND ON THE CHART AND I BELIEVE EVERYBODY SHOULD HAVE A COPY OF THE CHART AND MAKE SURE WE HAD ENOUGH. IF YOU DIDN'T GET ONE, PLEASE ASK AND WE'LL GET YOU A COPY OF THE CHART THAT IS BEHIND TROY TO THE RIGHT OF TERESA. WITHOUT. THE CRITICAL ROADWAYS WERE ADDED IN PURPLE. THE FOUR DEFICIENT ROADWAYS THAT ARE LISTED UP HERE ARE ROADWAYS THAT BASED UPON CALCULATIONS AND LOOKING AT GROWTH AND BY THE WAY LOOKING AT WHAT THE TRAFFIC IS RIGHT NOW, EACH ONE OF YOU TOOK A TOUR WITH ME TO TAKE A LOOK AT THESE ROADWAYS AND ROADWAY SYSTEMS ALONG WITHDALE AND WE VALIDATED. A LOT OF THESE ROADS THERE IS A LARGE TRAFFIC BACKUP AND JAM ON IT. IT CAN'T HANDLE THE CAPACITY. THE FOUR AND RED MEAN THE V OVERSEED NUMBER. THEY WOULD EXCEED 1.0 WHICH MEANS WE'RE OVEREXCEEDING THE CAPACITY OF THE ROAD BY 2040. THE PURPLE WOULD BE AT .9 OR 90%. AND THE GREEN IS SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAT'S A CONNECTOR. WHAT I REMOVED 220 AND SIX LANING THAT LISTENING TO THE PUBLIC AND ADDED ON THE FIRST COAST CONNECTOR. AND I'LL GET INTO THAT THERE. WE PRIORITIZED BASED UPON REQUESTS FROM THE COMMISSION. THEY ARE NUMBERED ONE THROUGH FIVE AND THE FCC WOULD BE SIX. IN ORDER OF PRIORITY WITH REGARDS TO CAPACITY AND REALLY WHAT IS GOING ON THERE WITH THE ROAD AND INTERSECTIONS. SO ON THIS SLIDE HERE, YOU CAN SEE ONE THROUGH FIVE CORRESPONDS TO THE NUMBERS THAT ARE ON YOUR HANDOUTS. AND YOU CAN SEE WHEN YOU ADD ALL OF THESE UP, THESE ARE THE DEFICIENT AND CRITICAL ROADWAYS, WE HAD A REALLY GOOD DISCUSSION ACROSS THE BOARD. I KNOW THERE WERE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT DOLLAR AMOUNTS WITH REGARDS TO RIGHT OF WAY, PONDING, CEI, CONSTRUCTION COSTS. WE REALLY WANT TO THANK SUSAN FRAZIER FOR HELPING US TAKE A LOOK AT THESE NUMBERS. [00:15:01] IT'S ALWAYS GOOD TO HAVE A SECOND SET OF ENGINEERING EYES TO THIS AND SOMEBODY WHO IS AN EXPERT WITHIN THAT FIELD. THE TOTALING ONE THROUGH FIVE AS Y'ALL CAN SEE IS $84.2 MILLION. THE TOTAL LENGTH OF THESE ROADS IS LISTED THERE. I THINK SOMEBODY ASKED ABOUT THAT ON THE LENGTHS OF ROADS IS 11.2. YOU CAN SEEDALE USED LIKE A STANDARD WITH FDOT FOR THE MILEAGE AND THE WATERWAYS, WETLAND, RIGHT OF WAY, ALL OF THAT WITHIN THESE CALCULATIONS. THE ADDED AND I BROKE UP THE FCC OR FIRST COAST CONNECTOR THAT CONNECTS 17 FIRST COAST EXPRESSWAY. RIGHT NOW IN ANY OF THE PLANS THAT ARE OUT THERE THAT ROADWAY WOULD ONLY BE BUILT AS THE DEVELOPMENT WOULD GO IN IN THAT AREA. SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS AND BREAK IT UP INTO THE PARTS FROM HIGHWAY 17 TO 315, IT WAS 1.6 MILLION OR 1.6 MILES AND 15.2 MILLION. THE SECOND HALF OF IT IS FROM 315 TO THE FIRST COAST EXPRESSWAY APPROXIMATELY 2.9 MILES AND LOOKING AT THAT SUBURBAN. I'M GOING TO GET INTO THE LANES ANYWAY MINUTE. THAT IS 24-POINT FOR A TOTAL OF $40 MILLION. WHEN YOU ADD THE TWO TOGETHER IT COMES OUT TO $124.2 MILLION. IF YOU REMEMBER ON PREVIOUS MEETINGS WE HAD BEFORE MAXING OUT YOUR CREDIT CARD WAS THE BEST WAY I COULD DESCRIBE -T. YOU DON'T WANT TO DO THAT. THIS PUTS APPROXIMATELY $5.8 MILLION IN OUR POCKET SHOULD ANY UNKNOWN EXPENDITURES COME UP THAT WE'RE ABLE TO HANDLE THAT. LOOKING AT THIS AND WHEN WE TALK ABOUT URBAN AND SUBURBAN, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE'VE ADDED TO THIS IN ORDER TO ADDRESS THE CONCERNS ABOUT BUILDING A FOUR LANE ROAD. SUBURBAN THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SUBURBAN AND URBAN IS SIMPLE. THERE IS NO UNDERDRAINAGE CURBING. FROM WOULD BE SIDEWALKS AND BIKE LANES. BUT THE SUBURB HAS THE CULVERTS TO THE SIDE THIS HANDLE THE STORMWATER. THERE IS A SLIGHT SAVINGS IN IT. IT'S NOT A DRASTIC AMOUNT OF SAVINGS BUT THAT'S THERE. ON THE TWO ROADS THAT WE LOOKED AT TO SUBURBAN IT IS S SAND RIDE TO BRAVO AND THIS NEW ROAD FIRST COAST CONNECTOR TO HAVE THAT A TWO LANE SUBURBAN. WE DID ADJUST ONE OTHER ROAD BASED UPON PRIOR BRIEFS WHICH WAS SAND RIDGE FROM HENLEY TO 209 AND THAT WAS A THREE LANER. WE WENT WITH URBAN ON THAT ROAD AND MOVED OFF THE FOUR LANES BASEND TO CONCERNS IN FRONT OF THE JUNIOR HIGH AND ELEMENTARY SCHOOL AND TOOK INTO ACCOUNT THE ELEVATION CHANGE IN THE CULVERT AS LONG THE SIDE THAT MAKE THE ROAD PRETTY DANGEROUS. WITH URBAN YOU GET THE STORM AND GUTTER YOU NEED ALONG THE SIDE. THOSE ARE THE COSTS THERE. SO SOME OF THE DETAILS. I WOULD LIKE THE JUST GO OVER SOME OF THESE. I KNOW ITCHES ASKED HOW MANY TRAFFIC LIGHTS WOULD THERE BE A THINGS LIKE THAT WE CAN TALK ABOUT IN PREPARING THESE SLIDES. ON THIS SLIDE HERE THIS IS COUNTY ROAD 218 OR THE NUMBER ONE PROJECT THAT WE HAVE FOR BONDING. IT'S COSMOS TO PINE TREE. IT WOULD BE WIDENING THIS 2.7 MILES OF EXISTING TWO LANE RURAL TIE FOUR LANE URBAN. THIS WOULD SLUSHY MIX V CURB AND GUTTER, SEAHAWKS AND BIKE PATHS AT A BUDGET COST OF $24 MILLION. AT THE BOTTOM RIGHT YOU CAN SEE THAT CIP FUNDING WE HAVE WITHIN OUR CIP. THAT WOULD FREE UP $4.5 MILLION WE COULD ADDRESS ON WHAT WE WANT TO DO WITH THAT MONEY. >> SO WE'RE LOOKING AT THE MILLION DOLLARS A MILE THING IS OUT THE WINDOW. THESE BECAUSE THEY ARE MULTILANE ROADS WE'RE LOOKING AT 7 MILLION BUCKS A MILE. >> THERE ARE MANY FACTORS THAT COME INTO PLAY ON EACH ONE OF THESE. IT COULD BE A BRIDGE THAT'S IN PLAY. THE COST OF THE RIGHT OF WAY. YES TO USE A STANDARD ACROSS THE BOARD A MILLION DOLLARS A MILE IS NOT GOING TO WORK ON IT. DALE HAS DONE HIS HOMEWORK ON THESE AND ENGINEERED IT OUT HAVE AN EXCEL SPREAD SHEET WITH ALL OF THAT DATA. WE CAN BRING THAT UP AND EXPLAIN HOW IT GOT TO BE SO HIGH. [00:20:05] PROJECT NUMBER TWO. COUNTY ROAD 290 FROM 315 TO HIGHWAY 17 WOULD BE WIDENING .8 MILES OF AN EXISTING TWO LANE TO A FOUR LANE URBAN WITH CURB AND GUTTER SEAHAWKS AND BIKE PATHS AT A COST OF 9.2. ON THIS ONE HERE PEOPLE ASKED WHAT WOULD THIS LOOK LIKE. IT WOULD BE DOUBLE LEFT-HAND TURN LANES OFF OF RUSSELL ROAD HEADING EAST. THAT RAILROAD INTERSECTION IS QUITE EXPENSIVE ALSO. WE'D HAVE TO REENGINEER AND REMODEL TO THAT AND DRIVES THE COST UP FOR LESS THAN A MILE OF ROAD, YOU ARE TALKING $9 MILLION. NEXT SLIDE ON PROJECT NUMBER THREE. COUNTY ROAD 290 SAND RIDGE TO 315 BRAVO WOULD BE WIDENING 2.6 MILES TO A THREE LANE SUBURBAN LIKE I TALKED ABOUT BEFORE. KEEP THAT SUBURBAN FEEL. IT WOULD HAVE SIDEWALKS AND BIKE PATHS. THE BUDGET COST WOULD BE $15.4 MILLION. AS WE'VE TALKED TO THE COMMUNITY AND WE'VE TAKEN A LOOK AT THE INTERSECTION OF SAND RIDGE AND RUSSELL, THERE WAS A REQUEST FOR COMMUNITY TO SAY COULD YOU TAKE A LOOK AT PUTTING IN A LIGHT SOONER THAN LATER. REALLY AND TRULY A LIGHT AT THIS INTERSECTION WOULDN'T HAPPEN FOR PROBABLY 18 MONTHS AT BEST, MOST LIKELY TWO AND A HALF YEARS. I'VE TALKED TODALE, WE TOOK A LOOK AT THAT. WE HAVE FUNDING OF $748,000 FOR SHOULDER AND INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS. I BELIEVE TO PUT THE LIGHT IN IT WOULD COST 150 TO $200,000 IN THERE. AND THAT WOULD BE DONE INTERNALLY AND WE WOULD DO A TRAFFIC LIGHT WARRANT ALSO ON THAT TO. TO ADDRESS THE CONCERNS OF THE PUBLIC, I WOULD RECOMMEND WE MOVE TOWARDS THIS WAY AND ALLOW US WE HAVE THE MONEY TO HANDLE THAT. >> WHAT KIND OF TIME LINE ARE WE LOOKING AT? >> FOR EACH OF THE PROJECT AT THE END I HAVE A CHART. ALTHOUGH THE PROJECTS FINISH WITHIN FIVE YEARS. TO DO THE TRAFFIC LIGHT I WOULD SAY WITHIN THE NEXT YEAR WE COULD GET TRAFFIC LIGHT AND WE'D BE ABLE TO HAND THAT WILL A LOT SOONER. PROJECT NUMBER FOUR SAND RIDGE ROAD HENLEY COUNTY ROAD 209 WIDENING OF 3.7 MILES OF EXISTING TWO LANE RURAL ROADWAY TO A THREE LANE URBAN. THE BUDGET COST $25.6 MILLION. AGAIN, WE TOOK A LOOK AT THIS THERE. IS ENOUGH ROOM GOING UNDERNEATH THE FIRST COAST EXPRESSWAY TO GET FOUR LANES. WE LOOKED AT THIS AND LISTENED AND BASED UPON THE CAPACITY AND WHAT WOULD BE NEEDED WE FELT A THREE LANE WOULD WORK. ANYBODY GOING OUT MAKING A LEFT OR RIGHT FROM A ROADWAY COMING INTO IT OR A DRIVEWAY COMING IN OR EXIT FROM A COMMUNITY COULD GO OUT TOTIENT ISER PART OF THE LANE AND GET INTO THE TRAFFIC THAT WAY. SO A LOT BETTER. AND THOSE TURNING LEFT OR RIGHT MOSTLY LEFTS IF YOU ARE GOING INTO A DRIVEWAY YOU'D BE ABLE TO ENTER THAT CENTER LANE AND NOT IMPEDE TRAFFIC AND BACK UP TRAFFIC ALONG SAND RIDGE. ON THIS ONE HERE WE HAD TRAFFIC LIGHTS ON EITHER END. I DON'T THINK WE ANTICIPATED ANY ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC LIGHTS. ON PROJECT NUMBER FIVE. SO AGAIN THIS IS MORE OF A CRITICAL ROAD AT .9 AND THE PREDICTION COUNTY ROAD 220 BACKSICALLY TO WEST OF HENLEY. IT'S A WIDENING OF 1.6 MILES OF TWO LANE RURAL TO FOUR LANE URBAN. IT'S BUDGET COST $12.4 MILLION. AND AS YOU LOOK AT I ADDED A FEW MORE THINGS ON THIS. THIS IS AN AREA THAT IS VERY CONGESTED AND NEED IMPROVING. ONE OF THE PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE FOR STATE FUNDING WAS $4 MILLION TO HAND THAT WILL INTERSECTION AT HENLEY AND 220. AND THAT IS YOUR QUAD INTERSECTION AS INDICATED BY THE HASHED GREEN MARK THAT IS ON THERE. SO THAT IS WHY IT SAYS JUST WEST OF HENLEY ON THE COST OF IT. WE TOOK A LOOK AT BAXLEY. WE HAD $384,000 FOR THAT. THIS THERE WOULD APPROXIMATE ADDITIONAL CONSTRUCTION COST FOR THAT. I HAVE BACKUP SLIDES TO SHOW YOU [00:25:01] MORE DETAIL ON THAT. THAT WOULD BE 3.4 MILLION THAT IS UNFUNDED. I WANTED TO BRIEF THAT TO Y'ALL IF THAT QUESTION CAME UP. NEXT. SO WE CALL THIS FCC. THE FIRST COAST CONNECTOR. THE FIRST PART OF THIS WOULD GO FROM HIGHWAY 17 TO 315. THERE IS A RAILROAD CROSSING INVOLVED. IT'S 1.6 MILES OF EXISTING TWO LANE RURAL TO FOUR LANE URBAN WHICH WOULD BE $15.2 MILLION. WE DID A LOT OF DISCUSSION DO WE KEEP IT TWO? AND TALKED AMONGST THE STAFF IT WAS BEST TO FOUR LANE URBAN LANE THIS ALL THE WAY TO 315. THE NEXT ONE AND THIS ONE HERE CALLED IT 6A6B. WE CALL THIS THE FIRST COAST CONNECTOR GOING FROM 315 ALL THE WAY TO THE FIRST COAST EXPRESSWAY. IT'S 2.9 MILES OF A TWO LANE SUBURBAN ROADWAY THAT WOULD HAVE SEAHAWKS AND BIKE PATHS A-T AUCTION OF $24.8 MILLION. I ADDED ON SOMETHING HERE. THERE IS A DASH LINE TO THE NORTH OF THIS BLUE HASHED ROSE MAYOR CONNECTOR. TAKING A LOOK AT THE FLOW OF TRAFFIC AND MAYBE AVOIDING THE FIRST COAST EXPRESSWAY THAT WE HEARD A LOT OF PUBLIC ASK ABOUT. THAT ADD ON WOULD BE $7.4 MILLION THAT IS UNFUNDED BUT SOMETHING I WANTED TO BRING TO THE BOARD'S ATTENTION. THE DASH LINE TO THE NORTH OF THAT HEADING TO THE NORTH WAS% THAT PROPOSED NORTH SOUTH ROADWAY THAT WAS THERE. SO I HAVE SOME OTHER BACKUP SLIDES. EACH ONE OF THEM FLOAT OUT TO COMPLETE WITHIN FIVE YEARS. I DO HAVE THE OTHER FOUR HIGHWAYS. I DO HAVE OTHER BACKUP SLIDES TO THE ORIGINAL PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE BUT STANDING BY FOR DISCUSSION AND QUESTIONS. >> JUST TO MAKE SURE I'M CLEAR, WE'VE GOT IS IT FIVE OR SIX PROJECTS WE'RE FUNDING WITH THE BONDING MONEY? >> IT'S SIX TOTAL PROJECTS. AND THAT SIXTH PROJECT REPLACE THE SIX LANING OF 220 WE CALLED IT THE FIRST COAST CONNECTOR. >> AND THIS COMES OUT TO A TOTAL %-@. >> $124.2 MILLION. THAT FIRST COAST CONNECTOR DOES TOTAL UP TO $40 MILLION. I DID BREAK THAT UP INTO AN A AND B IN THE BRIEF HERE. >> YOU HAD TALKED ABOUT IMPACT FEES BASED ON THE NEW FIRST COAST CONNECTOR AND HOW DEVELOPMENT THAT OCCURS THERE THEY WILL BE PAYING SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT IN IMPACTS FEES AND HOW MUCH PEOPLE HAVE PAID THIS ALREADY? >> QUESTION CAME UP. WE DISTRIBUTED IN YOUR BOCKS AN ANALYSIS OF IMPACT FEES. WOULD YOU LIKE THE COME UP. I DON'T HAVE IT WITH ME RIGHT NOW. THE TOTAL FOR 2019 OF IMPACT FEES COLLECTED WAS APPROXIMATELY $3.5 MILLION. OUT OF THAT APPROXIMATELY SOMEWHERE JUST OVER $1.5 MILLION WAS REFUNDED. SO THE BOTTOM LINE WAS WE COLLECTED 1 MILLION OR 1.5 MILLION IN IMPACT FEES FOR 2019. >> 2019 AND WE DID JANUARY TO DECEMBER. I'M GOING TO ASK ED UP HERE TOO. PART OF YOUR QUESTION WAS WHAT DO WE THINK IT WILL LOOK LIKE. ED CAN HELP ME AS WELL. 2019 JANUARY TO DECEMBER WE COLLECTED $3.5 MILLION. PRETTY DECENT. OUT OF THAT YOU ARE LOOKING AT ALMOST THE MAJORITY OF THAT ALMOST ALL OF THAT IS IN RESIDENTIAL. A SMALLER AMOUNT IN COMMERCIAL. AND THAT SAME TIME PERIOD WE HAD $2 MILLION IN IMPACT FEE CREDITS. IN F YOU ADD ALL OF THAT TOGETHER YOU ARE LOOKING AT CLOSER TO 6 MILLION IN 2019. IN ONE OF OUR LAST MEETINGS WE [00:30:03] ASKED ABOUT WHAT THE TWO DISTRICTS LOOKED LIKE FOR THE IMPACT FEES. THAT'S GOT THE MATH THAT SHOWS THE GO DISTRICTS. SO THE STUDY INDICATED WE SHOULD EXPECT TO GET $60 MILLION OUT OF IMPACT FEES IN 10 YEARS. WE'RE TAKING IN $6 MILLION A YEAR. BUT NET CASH IS WHAT? >> THAT WAS ABOUT 35 -- 3.5 MILLION. BUT IT IS RIGHT AT 6 MILLION BUT YOU'VE GOT REAL MONEY AND FAKE MONEY. >> IF YOU SUBTRACT THE CREDITS, I THINK WHAT IS COMMISSIONER IS GETTING AT, PROFIT WOULD BE $1 MILLION CORRECT. >> CASH NO, SIR. WHAT WE GOT CASH FOR RESIDENTIAL WAS $3.4 MILLION. >> BUT IF YOU SUBTRACT OUT THE CREDITS, WHAT WOULD YOU GET? >> CREDITS ARE SEPARATE. CREDITS WE HAD 1.5 IN CREDITS. >> 2 MILLION. >> IN CASH WE TOOK IN IN 2019. >> SO WE NETTED $2 MILLION. >> WHAT DID WE DO WITH THAT MONEY? >> CAK WE CLARIFY. I KNOW WE'RE DOING MATH. THERE IS THE CASH THAT CAME IN AND YOU ARE NOT SUBTRACTED CREDITS FROM THE CASH? >> CORRECT. IF YOU HAVE YOUR DOCUMENT. WE'LL GET THAT IN FRONT OF YOU. THE WHOLE IS 6 MILLION. CASH IS 3.5 IS CASH. 3.4 IS CASH FOR RESIDENTIAL. AND REMAINEDDER IS CREDITS AND COMMERCIAL. >> CORRECT. >> SO COLLECTED WE WOULD HAVE COLLECTED 5 MILLION WHICH IS 3.5 IN CASH AND 1.5234 N CREDIT. >> WE COLLECTED $20,193,575,004.05. WE CREDITED $1,952,003.44. ADD THOSE UP, YOU ARE BUMPING CLOSE TO 6 MILLION CASH AND CREDITS TOGETHER. I'LL MAKE A COPY OF THIS AND BRING IT RIGHT BACK TO YOU. >> THAT'S A FULL YEAR OF IMPACT FEES. >> YES. THAT'S A FULL YEAR. IT'S JANUARY TO DECEMBER. NO 50% DISCOUNT AND THAT KIND OF THING. WE JUST DID CALENDAR YEAR. I QUANTITY TELL YOU THE NUMBER OF BUILDING PERMITS WE HAD LAST YEAR RIGHT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD BUT IT WAS INCREASED. I WOULD SAY TWO YEARS AGO WE WERE AT 90 OR SOMETHING LIKE. THAT LAST YEAR WE WERE WELL OVER 1200. I THINK THAT IS -- I THINK IT WILL SUSTAIN FOR A WHILE. DID YOU HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION ABOUT MOVING FORWARD WHAT WE'RE THINKING ABOUT IMPACT FEES IN THOSE AREAS BECAUSE WE'VE KIND OF GONE OVER SOME NUMBERS. >> JUST THAT THE FIRST COAST CONNECTOR IS NOT A REPLACEMENT FOR IMPACT FEES ROAD CORRECT? >> THAT'S CORRECT. DEVELOPER WOULD HAVE TO PAY IMPACT FEES. >> THERE WAS A BELIEF ON FACEBOOK AND OTHER PLACES THAT WE WERE JUST BUILDING ROADS THAT WE ARE PAYING FOR THAT DEVELOPERS WOULD HAVE HAD TO BUILD ON THEIR OWN. THE FCC -- ENTER IF THEY BUILT THEM ON THEIR OWN THEY WOULD HAVE RECEIVED THIS CREDIT. >> WE'RE GOING TO BUILD THEM BUT THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE TO PAY IMPACT FEES. >> CORRECT. >> BEFORE WE GET TOO FAR DOWN IN THE MONEY, CAN YOU TOUCH ON THE NORTH SOUTH ROAD WE HAD ON THE BOOKS AT ONE TIME? >> YES, SIR. >> AND I UNDERSTAND AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG THAT ROAD IN THE FUTURE WILL BECOME MORE AND MORE IMPORTANT AS THE TRAFFIC ON 209 INCREASES, IS THAT A FAIR STATEMENT? >> YES, SIR. ASKER ISING TO GAY SPRINGS DEVELOPS, THE DEVELOPER WOULD BE AT THE DEVELOPERS DISCRETION ON BUILDING THE NORTH SOUTH ONE. >> DO WE HAVE A SLIDE THAT SHOWS THAT CONNECTOR? THIS MODELS TRYING TO PREDICT [00:35:10] THE FLOW OF TRAFFIC BASED UPON THE INPUTS YOU PUT INTO THE MODEL. LIKE ANYBODY THAT PLAYS THE LOTTERY AND YOU PUT THE NUMBERS INTO THE COMPUTER AND IT TELLS YOU WHAT THE WINNING NUMBERS ARE GOING TO BE FOR TODAY, THAT'S BASICALLY HOW IT GOES. IT HAS A SMART ALGORITHM THAT IT USES TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THAT NUMBER IS. IT USES THE CURRENT EXISTING TRAFFIC COUNTS AND THEN THE PROJECTED DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE WITHIN THE AREA. SO AND THOSE NODES AS THEY USUALLY CALL THEM ARE IN THE CENTER PART OF THAT DEVELOPMENT AREA. HOW THAT NODE CONNECTS TO THAT PARTICULAR -- IT HAS TO RUN FOR AT LEAST 24 HOURS BEFORE IT CAN GIVE THAT YOU NUMBER. SO IT VERY COMPLICATED. VERY IN DEPTH. WHEN WE ASKED SUSAN TO TAKE A LOOK AT THIS AND ENGLAND TIMES AND MILL DER THE STUDY. THAT'S WHERE ALTERNATE ONE AND TWO CAME ABOUT. WE TOOK A LOOK AT AND WHEN YOU LOOKED AT RUSSELL ROAD TO SPEND $31.6 MILLION ON THAT ORIGINAL FOUR LANE FOR IT AND BASED UPON THE NUMBERS WHEN THEY RAN AT THIS TIME FIRST TIME, THE V/C WAS .2. IN 2040 WITH ALL THE APF ROADS BUILT. SO THAT MEANS THAT THE CAPACITY OF RUSSELL ROAD WE HAD OVERGUILT CAPACITY OF THAT ROAD FOR 2040. THAT IS WHAT CHALLENGED US TO TAKE A LOOK AT NOW THIS FIRST COAST CONNECTOR TO ALLEVIATE THAT TRAFFIC IN ANOTHER WAY BY SPENDING 31.6 MILLION ON A FOUR LANE ROAD TO BUILD A THREE LANE SUBURBAN. >> COULD YOU POINT OUT THAT EAST COAST CONNECTOR FOR THE FOLKS OUT HERE -- THE NORTH SOUTH CONNECTOR. THANK YOU SIR. >> THE STAFF TOOK A LOOK AT THIS BASED UPON THE MODELS AND THEY RAN THE MODELS AGAIN WITH SOME UPDATED NUMBERS. BY THE WAY, AS WE SPEAK TPO IS UPDATING THEIR NUMBERS FOR 2045 AND TO TAKE IN INTO THE ALGORITHM AND THE PROGRAM THE FIRST COAST EXPRESSWAY. WE FOUND THIS OUT IN LOOKING AT THESE NUMBERS, IT'S A COMPLICATED ASPECT ON HOW THE FIRST COAST EXPRESSWAY IS TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT. SIMPLEST WAY I CAN DESCRIBE IT IS IF YOU PAY A DOLLAR TO GO FROM ONE EXIT TO THE NEXT OR ONE COUNTER TO THE NEXT AS YOU USE IT WITH YOUR SUN PASS, THEY KNOW FDOT KNOWS IF IT'S 50 CENTS THEY ARE NOT GOING TO USE IT. IF IT'S 25 CENTS YOU'LL USE IT AND IT'S BASED UPON THE TIME YOU WOULD WAIT IN LINE. ARE YOU WAITING IN LINE OVER 30 MINUTES IN TRAFFIC. IF SO USE THE FIRST COAST EXPRESSWAY. THAT IS WHAT IS GOING ON BASICALLY IN ED'S VERY INVOLVED IN THIS. AND UPDATING THOSE NUMBERS. BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THIS ONE WE ADDRESSED RUSSELL ROAD. TWO, IF YOU REMEMBER FROM MY LAST BRIEF WAS TO LOOK AT PARALLEL ROAD SYSTEMS. TO CONNECT THE FIRST COAST EXPRESSWAY TO HIGHWAY 17 IS WHERE STAFF AND I CAME ONE THIS. THIS WAS THE BEST USE OF THE MONEY , THE BEST ROUTE TO TAKE IN ORDER TO ALLEVIATE THAT TRAFFIC ALONG SAND RIDGE AND RUSSELL. SAND RIDGE RUSSELL AND 209 CONNECTING TO HIGHWAY 17 REALLY ACTS AS AN EAST WEST ARTERY IN A WAY. SO HOW DO YOU RELIEVE THAT PRESSURE? YOU HAVE THIS FIRST COAST CONNECTOR AND THEN YOU HAVE ALSO THE 218 EXTENSION THAT GETS YOU TO 218 AND ALLOWS TRAFFIC COMING FROM LAKE AS BURY AS AN EXAMPLE TO CHOOSE TO USE SAND RIDGE OR THE FIRST COAST CONNECTOR AND ALLEVIATE THAT TRAFFIC ALONG SAND RIDGE AND RUSSELL. I HOPE I EXPLAINED THAT AWAY IF THERE WAS CONFUSION ON IT. WE FELT THE BEST USE OF FUNDS WOULD BE REMOVE NORTH SOUTH 1. ALLOW THE DEVELOPER TO DEVELOP NORTH SOUTH ONE AS HE OR SHE NEEDED OVER THE COURSE OF TIME. AND HAVE THIS MAJOR EAST WEST PARALLEL ROAD SYSTEM TO ADDRESS THOSE CONCERNS. SO THE RECOMMENDATION IS GO WITH THE FIRST FIVES PLUS THE CONNECTOR FROM 17. [00:40:06] THAT'S OUR BEST BANG FOR THE BUCK AS WE'RE LOOKING AT IT RIGHT NOW. THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT TO DO BECAUSE YOU'VE STUDIED ALL OF THIS RIGHT? >> YES, SIR. FULLY. AND I HAVE THOSE HANDOUTS BY THE WAY. >> YOU GOT ANYMORE QUESTIONS. >> I WAS GOING TO TRY AND EXPLORE THIS EMAIL WE GOT. IF NOBODY WOULD EVEN CONSIDER THE ROUND ABOUT OPTION, I CAN UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT AT THIS POINT IN OUR DESIGNING AND THINKING, WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO GET TOGETHER AND LOOK AND SEE IF YOU REALLY CAN SAVE THUS MONEY IF WE AGREED TO THAT? >> IT VALIDATED ON OUR APPROACH A SKINNY ROAD SYSTEM WITH FATTENED INTERSECTIONS. YOU REALLY ARE KIND OF GETTING THAT WITH THIS. WHEN YOU THREE LANE SAND RIDGE AND THOSE INTERSECTIONS WILL BE BEEFED UP BOTH ON RUSSELL AND HENLEY ON BOTH SIDES THERE. AND ESPECIALLY REALLY -- LET'S GODOWN THE DOUBLE TURN LANES LEFT AND RIGHT. I KNOW AND MICHAEL TALKS TO ME ABOUT ROUND ABOUT. I DID TRY TO KEEP ROUND ABOUTS IN MIND WHEN WE WERE PLANNING THIS. BUT WE JUST COULDN'T GET THERE FROM HERE WITH IT. AND BUT I KNOW HE AND I SPOKE LAST NIGHT TOO. WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT SOMETHING IF THERE IS A WAY TO ENGINEER ROUND ABOUT WITHIN THE PROJECT. WOULD IT POSSIBLY SAVE US MONEY, WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT IT AND I'M OPEN THE THAT SUGGESTION. >> JUST FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE PUBLIC, WHEN IS THE INTERCHANGE GOING TO BE COMPLETED FOR THE FIRST COAST THAT WE CONNECT UP TO? >> I'LL NEED HELP ED. >> SO REMEMBER PUBLICLY FDOT ANNOUNCED THEY ARE A YEAR AHEAD OF SCHEDULE FOR THE BRIDGE. AND THIS AREA HERE I BELIEVE AND I'M GOING OUT ON A LINE HERE. FOR THAT INTERSECTION OF 218 EXTENSION, I BELIEVE THEY ARE TARGETING AT THE END OF 2022 TO HAVE THAT COMPLETE. >> 2032 AT THE BEGINNING OF THAT. >> SO AGAIN IF WE LOOK AT THE CHART, IT'S HARD TO REALLY SEE ON THIS ONEFUL IT'S THE ORANGE LINE THAT IS RIGHT HERE. BY 2023 THIS ON AND OFF RAMP , THIS INTERCHANGE WOULD BE OPEN. >> MIGHT BE 2024. >> THAT'S WHAT THE SIGNS SAY. >> 2024. SUSAN IS SAYING 2024. >> FOR THE WHOLE THING TO OPEN UP? >> ON THIS NEXT LEG. >> THIS PART OF IT. STARTED BY 2022. THANK YOU. >> >> AND THEN ADDITIONALLY THE AREA AROUND THAT INTERCHANGE, HOW MANY JOBS ARE GOING TO BE IN THAT AREA? >> 6500. 6500 JOBS. THAT WAS IN SUSAN'S BRIEF YES. >> FOR ME WHILE PUTTING IN A BRAND NEW ROAD MAY SEEM A LITTLE BIT OF A PIONEER PIE IN THE SKY, KNOWING THAT THERE IS GOING TO BE JOBS THERE AND WE'VE BEEN SAYING FOR YEARS WE WANT TO REVERSE THE TRAFFIC FLOW AND PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO GO TO JACKSONVILLE TO GET A GOOD PAYING JOB, THIS IS OUR DEERWOOD. YOU HAVE TO HAVE A WAY FOR PEOPLE TO GET OFF 17 AND GET TO THAT AREA. ALL THOSE FACTORS WEIGH IN ON WHETHER OR NOT THIS IS A GOOD IDEA. >> THAT'S ALL I HAD. >> BUILD IT AN THEY WILL COME. >> WE'LL SEE. >> I LIKE THE IDEA OF TWO SMALLER ROADS VERSUS ONE HUGE [00:45:05] ROAD. MAKES SENSE. I USE WEST PARKWAY A LOT AS OPPOSED TO 220. AS FAR AS THE ROUND ABOUTS, I DON'T HAVE A STRONG OPINION ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. IF THE EXPERTS TELL US ONE WAY MAKES SENSE, I'M OPEN THE THAT. THAT'S IN THE DESIGN PHASE RIGHT. IN GENERAL, WE ARE COMMITTED TO IMPROVING OTHER ROADS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY TOO WITH OUR CIP FUNDING. I KNOW WE'VE DONE QUITE A BIT OF RESURFACING. ESPECIALLY DIRT ROADS THAT ARE CONNECTOR ROADS THAT ARE L ARECEIVE UNITE CONGESTION AND ARE THROUGH ROADS WE SHOULD LOOK AT CONTINUING TO PUT MONEY TOWARDS THAT SO WE CAN GET SOME OF THESE. WE'RE NOT EVER GOING TO GET ALL 300 MILES OF DIRT ROADS PAVED OVERNIGHT BUT START WORKING DOWN THE LIST. I HEAR ABOUT EVERY ONE OF THEM ON A REGULAR BASIS. >> NOT TO CUT OFF OUR DISCUSSION. BUT THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING. WE'RE GOING TO OPEN IT UP TO COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC. MAKE SURE YOU HAVE A CARD FILLED OUT YOU CAN TURN INTO OUR CLERK. IF YOU DON'T HAVE ONE, YOU CAN SPEAK BUT FILL IT OUT AND TURN IT IN TO HER AFTER THE FACT. WE'LL OPEN THIS UP AT THIS TIME. I HAVE NO CARDS SO -- I APPRECIATE SAVING PUBLIC COMMENT TO THE END. I APPRECIATE THAT VERY MUCH. I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHAT WE LOST IN IMPACT FEES FOR TEN YEARS. THAT WOULD BE MY ASK IF WE COULD DO A PUBLIC RECORDS REQUEST ON THAT. I KNOW YOU ARE TALKING THAT THERE IS $6 MILLION THAT CAME IN IN THE END OF LAST YEAR. BUT HOW MUCH FOR THE SIX MONTHS BEFORE THAT 3 MILLION DID WE THROW OUT THE WINDOW JUST IN THE SIX MONTHS BEFORE? AND I WAS AT A PREVIOUS MEETING RECENTLY AND THEY SAID YOU COULD BUILD A ROAD BACK IN THE DAY I'M GLAD TO SEE THE PRIOR COMMISSIONERS HERE, MAYBE THEY'LL COME UP AND SPEAK. SPREAD SOME LIGHT ON SOME OF THIS STUFF FOR US. THEY SAID $300,000 FOR A MILE OF ROAD. SO I STILL REFLECT ON WHAT MS. HUTCHENS SAID NOT LONG AGO THAT ALL THE CONTRACTORS ARE BUSY. SO I STILL DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE NEED TO DO THIS IMMEDIATELY. MAYBE YOU GOT TO GET IT AND PUT IT AWAY FOR A WHILE. BUT TO SPEND IT RIGHT NOW, I JUST DON'T SEE IT. I'VE LIVED HERE SINCE 02. I DRIVE ALL OVER THIS COUNTY DOING LANDSCAPING, TREE WORK. AND BLANDING IS A LITTLE ROUGH. I CAN'T SEE 17. IT'S NOT EVEN A PROBLEM FOR ME OTHER THAN I SEE AN OFFICER GO UNDERNEATH THE BACK OF A SEMI TRUCK AT 4:00 IN THE MORNING. MAYBE IF WE CAN'T USE CELL PHONES OTHER PEOPLE SHOULDN'T BE USING LAPTOPS. 130 MILLION, 40 MILLION IN FEES. THAT IS STARTING TO SINK IN TO ME AFTER WEEKS. THERE IS NOT REALLY THAT MANY PEOPLE HERE BECAUSE IT'S PROBABLY 3:30 IN THE AFTERNOON INSTEAD OF 7:00 DURING THE PLANNING MEETING. I APPRECIATE THE HAVING THIS MEETING TODAY FOR THE FOLKS TO COME OUT AND TALK ON IT. LIKE MR. LONDON SAID ALL YOU'VE GOT IS THIS RURAL AREA HERE. THAT IS PRETTY MUCH WHAT YOU'VE GOT. I'M STILL WAITING FOR AN ANSWER ON WHAT CITY IS GOING TO BE OUR [00:50:01] NUMBER ONE CITY FOR CLAY COUNTY. I HOPE IT IS GREEN CO-SPRINGS WITH THAT SPRING FED POOL THAT WE'VE GOT GOING ON. I'M DEFINITELY IN OPPOSITION OF THIS 100%. >> THANK YOU. >> >> I WAS HOPING FOR MORE OF AN INFORMAL DISCUSSION WHERE WE COULD BRING ISSUES UP AND DISCUSS THEM AS THEY CAME ALONG NOT JUST PRESENT AID LIST AND TRY TO INGENDER A RESPONSE. THE QUESTION I HAVE IS I BELIEVE YOU SAID THAT 209 IS ALREADY OVER CAPACITY UP TO 2040. DID I UNDERSTAND THAT RIGHT? >> IT'S PREDICTED. IN THE MORNING OR LATE EVENING AS TRAFFIC BACKS UP TRYING TO GET TO 17 TO GET OVER THE RAILROAD CROSSING. >> BELIEVE ME, I KNOW THAT. I'VE SAT IN IT. >> IT'S AND AGAIN THESE MOD THAT IS ARE HERE ON THE V/C, IT WAS PREDICTED WITH REGARDS TO DEVELOPMENT AND WHEN THE GROWTH WOULD BE FOR 2040. AGAIN, I MENTIONED IT BEFORE. WE'RE TRYING TO PREDICT THE FUTURE A BIT WITH THIS. WE DEFINITELY SAW THE NEED ON THESE ROADS. THOSE FIVE ROADS THAT ARE UP THERE THAT ARE CRITICAL. >> THE POINT I'M TRYING TO DRIVE AT AND I REALIZE I'M STUCK ANYWAY ROUND ABOUT AND PROBABLY NOT GOING TO GET OUT OF IT, BUT WE NEED THIS KIND OF PLANNING FIRST. NOW WE ALREADY KNEW RUSSELL ROAD WAS A PROBLEM AND YET A YEAR AND A HALF AGO OAR SO THREE NEIGHBORHOODS FOR A TOTAL OF 2500 HOMES RIGHT THERE AROUND SAND RIDGE AND RUSSELL WERE APPROVED. NOBODY PUT ANY THOUGHT INTO THIS. THIS IS WHAT I'VE BEEN TRYING TO HAMMER HOME FOR YEARS SA S STOP AND THINK ABOUT WHAT YOU ARE DOING. LOOK AT WHAT YOU HAVE. LOOK AT THE ROADS NOW. NOBODY IS DOING THAT. NOW WE JUST GOT ANOTHER 82 HOMES APPROVED ON KNIGHT BOX ROAD. THERE WAS NO NEED FOR THAT. SHOULDN'T HAVE DONE THAT. THERE WAS A VERY BAD MOVE. AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE MORE PROBLEMS THERE AND WE'RE GOING TO NEED ANOTHER BOND ISSUE IN TEN YEARS WHEN THIS IS PAID OFF TO DO KNIGHT BOX ROAD. NOBODY IS THINKING AHEAD. NOBODY IS DISSECTING THE PROBLEM. WE ALL KNOW GROWTH IS GOING TO COME. LET'S NOT TRY SHOVING 80 POUNDS OF GROWTH INTO A 75-POUND BAG. THEA THAT'S WHAT YOU ARE DOING. GETTING BACK TO THIS, ARE THESE GOING TO BE DONE ONE AT A TIME OR ARE YOU GOING THE TRY TO ATTACK IT ALL AT ONCE. IN ORDER FOR THE BONDS TO BE TAX EXEMPT THERE HAS TO BE -- THEY WOULD ALL START THE PLANNING PORTION OF IT. THE DESIGN OF IT AT THE SAME TIME. EACH ONE IS GOING TO REQUIRE A DIFFERENT AMOUNT OF TIME LINE ON IT, HOW COMPLICATED IT IS AND THAT. BUT THE ENDING DATE WOULD BE FIVE YEARS. FIVE YEARS FOR ALL OF THESE PROJECTS. >> THAT'S CORRECT. >> I'M TRYING TO GET INFORMATION. >> AND THE EASIEST WAY TO EXPLAIN IS THEY ARE ALL GOING TO BE DONE IN PARALLEL. THEY ARE NOT GOING TO BE NONE SERIES ONE AFTER ANOTHER. >> THAT'S WHAT I WAS -- >> WHEN WE TEAR UP SIX ROADS AT THE SAME TIME. >> THIS IS WHAT I KEEP TRYING TO HAMMER HOME. YOU GOT TO THINK ABOUT THESE THINGS BEFORE YOU JUST PASS WILLIE NILLY ANOTHER FREAKEN DEVELOPMENT. IT'S NOT NECESSARY. IT'S -- STUPID PHRASE BUT IT'S COMMON SENSE. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ARE GOING TO GET IT ALL DONE IN FIVE YEARS. THAT WOULD BE NICE. BUT IT'S GOING TO BE A NIGHTMARE TRYING TO GET AROUND IN THIS [00:55:02] COUNTY NOW. AND I THINK ALSO -- ANOTHER THING TO TAKE INTO EFFECT IS THE COST OF THIS IS GOING TO KEEP GOING UP AND UP. FOR THAT LITTLE PART FROM HENLEY TO BAXLEY1.6 MILES AT $12 MILLION. IS THIS COST EFFECTIVE? WHY NOT STOP ADDING TO THE PROBLEM? YOU CAN'T KEEP SHELLING OUT MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS FOR A COUPLE OF MILES OF ROAD HERE AND THERE. IT JUST MAKES NO SENSE WHATSOEVER. PLEASE, STOP AND THINK AND DON'T APPROVE ANYTHING ELSE UNTIL THERE IS A MASTER PLAN CONCEIVED AND PRESENTED TO THE PUBLIC. I DON'T THINK THAT IS TOO MUCH TO ASK. THANK YOU. >> WOULD BIT POSSIBLE TO ASK OUR ATTORNEY A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS REAL QUICK? IF WE JUST DENIED EVERY SINGLE ONE BECAUSE OF SAYING IF WE PUT OUT A SIGN TOMORROW AND SAID WE ARE NOT GROWING ANYMORE, WE ARE NOT GROWING ANYMORE IN CLAY COUNTY, ARE WE ALLOWED TO DO THAT? >> I DON'T THINK YOU CAN STOP IT INDEFINITELY FOR AN EXTENDED PERIOD OF TIME. THERE MIGHT BE A CERTAIN SITUATION WHERE YOU COULD HAVE A LIMITED TIME FRAME IF YOU HAD A CERTAIN POLICY YOU WERE WORKING ON OR A CERTAIN PROGRAM. NO, YOU CAN'T JUST RESTRICT THE RATES LIKE THAT. >> WHEN I WAS ON THE SCHOOL BOARD WE HAD AN ISSUE WHERE WE WERE REALLY COULDN'T KEEP UP. WE WERE BUILDING TWO SCHOOLS A YEAR. I REMEMBER HAVING A CONVERSATION WITH JOHN THRASHER WHO WAS ON THIS BOARD AT THAT TIME. THEY LIMITED SOMEHOW THE BUILDING PERMITS THAT WERE ISSUED FOR SOME PERIOD OF TIME. AND THAT WAS -- THAT KIND OF COIN SIDED WITH THE DOWNTURN IN THE REAL ESTATE SO A LOT OF THAT WENT OUT THE WINDOW. I DON'T KNOW LEGALLY HOW THEY DID THAT BUT SOMETHING CAN BE DONE IF WE DECIDE THAT'S THE ANSWER. AT THE TIME WE HAD APPROVED A LOT OF BUILDING PERMITS ALREADY. AND JUST WORKING OFF THE BACKLOG, YOU DIDN'T NOTICE THAT MUCH CHANGE. >> IS THERE ANYTHING THAT SAYS THAT WE HAVE V TO GRANT THESE ZONING VARIANCES? THEY CAN BUY PROPERTY AND PUT THINGS ON IT AND DEVELOP IT UNDER THE ZONING IT HAS. BUT ARE WE LEGALLY REQUIRED TO CHANGE DENSITY AND ZONING FOR DEVELOPMENT? >> THOSE ARE DECISIONS THAT THE COMMISSIONERS MAKE BASED ON WHAT IS PRESENTED TO THEM. >> WE DO VOTE DOWN THINGS. >> IF I CAN ADD MORE TO THAT, I THINK ANSWER TO THAT IS YES. IF SOMEBODY COMES IN AND ASKS FOR A CHANGE THIS ZONING AND OR LAND USE, FOR EXAMPLE YOU TALKED ABOUT THE ONE ON OLD JENNINGS RECENTLY. IT IS THE JOB OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING DEPARTMENT TO LOOK AT EVERYTHING THAT IS IN THAT AREA. IT IS CONFORMING WITH WHAT IS IN THAT AREA, IT'S A GOOD IDEA FOR TO US SAY THAT AND THAT'S WHY WHEN YOU GET WHEN WE GO TO DIFFERENT PLANNING COMMISSION MEETINGS AND THEB CC MEETINGS YOU'LL SEE WHETHER IT'S STAFF APPROVAL OR STAFF DOES NOT APPROVE. WE SUGGEST A NON-APPROVAL AT TIMES. WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE AREA AROUND IT AND WE HAVE TO LOOK AT IF IT'S COMPATIBLE WITH THAT AREA. IF YOU WERE OUT IN THE MIDDLE OF A BUNCH OF ZONING AND SOMEBODY WANTED TO PUT URBAN CORE MULTIFAMILY. OUR ANSWER WOULD BE NO BECAUSE IT'S NOT CONFORMING WITH THAT AREA. WOULD WE DENY? WE COULD RECOMMEND DENIAL. COULD THEY? THEY COULD. THEN THIS LADY HERE IS GOING TO HAVE A LOT OF WORK BECAUSE WHOEVER OWNS THAT PROPERTY OR WHOEVER IS TRYING TO DO THAT DEVELOPMENT IS PROBABLY GOING TO SUE NEWS COURT BECAUSE OF COMPATIBILITY. IT'S PROBABLY SING THAT COULD OR SHOULD BE CHANGED IF THAT MAKES SENSE. >> [INAUDIBLE] IT'S ALL ABOUT THE SURROUNDING AREA. YOU'VE COME. WE CAN LOOK AT THE DIFFERENT MAPS AND THAT KIND OF THING. THAT'S A GENERAL ANSWER. >> ONE OTHER COMMENT. >> GO AHEAD. >> ONE THING I WAS TALKING TO COUNTY MANAGER ABOUT TOO. [01:00:04] I LIVE IN KEYSTONE HEIGHTSISM LIVE ANYWAY SMALL COMMUNITY AND TRAFFIC CAN GET BAD. IT'S USUALLY NOT TOO CRAZY. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IS NICE AND UNIQUE ABOUT CLAY COUNTY IS WE HAVE THAT IS ALL GRAY. IT'S NOT GOING TO BE DEVELOPED AND JENNINGS STATE FOREST IS NOT GOING TO BE DEVELOPED AND THE BEAR CONSERVATION AREA , THE GREEN THE RIVER AND TO THE NORTH. THERE IS LOTS AND LOTS OF PIECES OF GREEN AND WE'RE WORKING WITH THE NORTHEAST FLORIDA LAND TRUST AND OTHER ORGANIZATIONS TO SET ASIDE MORE GREEN SPACES IN MORE AREAS. AS THESE DEVELOPMENTS COME IN THEY ARE WORKING TO SET ASIDE LARGE SWATHS OF PARKS AND WE'RE WORKING WITH SENATOR BRADLEY AND OUR DELEGATION TO DO THAT. I DON'T WANT TO SEE CLAY COUNTY BECOME ONE GIANT PARKING LOT. WE HAVE TO BALANCE IT. WE CAN'T JUST SAY NO TO ALL GROWTH AT ANY POINT. WE HAVE TO BALANCE IT WITH KEEPING THE UNIQUE CHARACTER. THAT'S WHY I'M IN FAVOR OF DOING TWO ROADS VERSUS ONE GIANT MASSIVE INTERSTATE FREEWAY. BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO LOOK LIKE L.A. >> LET ME REMIND THE ATTENDEES WE'RE HERE NOT TO SPEAK OF GROUT VERSUS ANTIGROWTH. BUT WHERE THESE ROADS SHOULD BE PLACED. I'D LIKE TO STEER US BACK IN THAT DIRECTION. THE DECISION TO DO THIS IS THAT SHIP HAS SAILED. LET'S CONCENTRATE ON THE ITEM OF THE DAY WHICH IS WHERE WE ARE GOING TO PUT THESE ROADS. DO YOU WANT TO SPEAK AGAIN? STEP UP TO THE MICROPHONE. >> THANK YOU. I JUST HAD A QUICK QUESTION. ON THE MAP IT SHOWS THE NUMBER ONE PROJECT INDIANSING AT 21. DOES THAT INCLUDE THE BRIDGE FOR 20 MILLION? I'M SURE IT DOES. IF YOU SEE PROJECT NUMBER ONE WRIT HITS THE BLUE -- >> WHICH BRIDGE. >> THE BLUE STATE ROAD 21 IT'S NOT RIVER. >> THE NUMBER ONE PROJECT ON 218 FOR 20 MILLION. >> WHICH BRIDGE? >> ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE BRIDGE THAT GOES -- >> BY THE RAVINES. >> THAT IS NOT INCLUDED. >> THAT'S SEPARATE. >> IT'S ON THE OTHER SIDE. >> OK THANK YOU. >> ADDITIONAL COMMENTS. >> I COULDN'T PASS UP THIS OPPORTUNITY MAKE A FEW EXTRA COMMENTS. COMING BACK TO OUR TALK ABOUT REDUCING THE MAINTENANCE COST IN THE FUTURE. AS IT HAPPENS A TRAFFIC SIGNAL COST YOU $5,000 A YEAR TO OPERATE AND MAINTAIN. ROUND ABOUTS COST YOU A FEW HUNDRED DOLLARS IN TRASH AND LANDSCAPING. THAT'S ONE WAY OF SAVING MONEY. SECONDLY TYPICALLY WHEN YOU BUILD A ROUND ABOUT INSTEAD OF A SIGNALIZED INTERSECTION, A ROUND ABOUT COST YOU 10% MORE BECAUSE OF EXTRA CURB AND GUTTER IN IT. ONCE YOU ARE FINISHED YOU ARE FINISHED. WITH A TRAFFIC SIGNAL YOU GOT TO BUILD THE WHOLE INTERSECTION AND PAY HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS FOR A SIGNAL TO GO IN. SO YOU CAN SAVE MONEY IN THAT REGARD. I NOTICE YOU HAVE SOME OF THE THREE LANE ROADS THERE. AS A GENERAL RULE IF YOU HAVE TWO TRAVEL LANES, ONE EACH DIRECTION, THEN A ROUND ABOUT IS SIMPLY APPLICABLE TO ANY SIGNIFICANT INTERSECTION ALONG THAT ROAD. TWO LANE BY TWO LANE, THAT IS IF I WAS ASKED THAT WOULD AUTOMATICALLY BE A ROUND ABOUT BECAUSE IT GIVES YOU A HIGHER CAPACITY THAN A SMALL. ONE THING THAT HAS NOT BEEN MENTIONED THAT IS A BIG PART OF THE WORK I DO IS SPEED CONTROL. WE ALL TALK ABOUT WIDENING ROADS. WHEN YOU WIDEN ROADS THE SPEEDS GO UP. THE REASON THE SPEEDS GO UP. THE FASTER DRIVERS CAN MOVE TO THE INSIDE LANE AND GET PAST THE SLOW DRIVERS. AND ONE OF THE MAJOR BENEFITS OF ROUND ABOUTS IS FAST DRIVERS HAVE TO SLOW DOWN WHEN THEY GET TO THE ROUND ABOUT. THEY HAVE NO CHOICE. THEY HAVE TO SLOW DOWN IF THE ROUND ABOUTS ARE ZONED PROPERLY. SOMETHING YOU NEED TO THINK ABOUT ON THE THREE LANE ROADS IF [01:05:03] YOU HAVE A SERIES OF INTERSECTIONS USE ROUND ACTS BECAUSE THAT HELPS WITH THE SPEED ALONG THAT ROAD. AND MAKES IT SAFER FOR ANYONE WHO WANTS TO CROSS MID BLOCK. A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO WALK UP AND DOWN TO AN INTERSECTION. THEY ARE GOING TO CROSS ANYWAY. ONE OF THE PROBLEMS WITH THE CENTER TURN LANE I WAS AT WORK AT THE DOT AND HELPED THEM WRITE THE ACCESS GUIDELINES WHERE WE PUT IN MEDIAN STRIPS AND ELIMINATED ALL THREE LANE ROADS. IN A LOT OF AREAS YOU DO NEED A THREE LANE ROAD. BUT THE WAY TO STOP PEOPLE KILLING EACH OTHER HEAD ON IN THE CENTER TURN LANE, KILLING PEDESTRIANS NASCENTER TURN LANE WAS TO PUT IN SORT MEDIANS ALONG THE CENTER TURN LANE SO IT CAN'T BE USED AS A THROUGH LANE. OR AS A PASSING LANE. THAT WILL COST YOU A LITTLE BIT MORE MONEY PUT THE MEDIANS IN BUT IT MAKES IT MORE PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY. IT HELPS SLOW DOWN THE CARS BECAUSE NOW THERE IS MORE CONFINED BY HAVING THAT MEDIAN THERE THAN THE OPEN LANE. AND ALSO ONE THING THAT'S BEEN MENTION ASKED TREES. TREES ON UNDIVIDED ROAD. AND YOU WANT TO LOOK AT THAT BECAUSE THE OTHER IMPORTANT REASON FOR THAT IS THAT BY CREATING SOME SORT OF TREE CANOPY, YOU CREATE THE IMAGE OF A NARROW ROAD. THAT HAS A TENDENCY TO SLOW VEHICLES DOWN AGAIN. THAT WILL COST YOU MONEY FOR TREES. BY PUTTING IN A ROUND ABOUT YOU HAVE THAT IS ALL EXTRA MONEY THAT YOU CAN PLANT TREES DOWN ROAD. THANK YOU. >> YOU'VE HAD YOUR CAUTION. ONE MORE TIME AND THE DEPUTY WILL ESCORT YOU OUTSIDE. THE DEPUTY IS ON NOTICE TO ESCORT YOU OUTSIDE IF THERE IS ONE MORE VIOLATION OF YOUR CONDUCT, DO YOU UNDERSTAND ME? >> THAT WAS PRETTY GOOD INFORMATION ON ROUND ABOUTS. DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WANT TO ADD TO THAT? >> WE'LL PUT YOUR STATUTE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE FIRST ONE WE BUILD. >> I LOVE ROUND ABOUTS. THE PROBLEM I RUN INTO IN LONDON ONCE YOU GET ANYWAY ROUND ABOUT, THEY PUT ROUND ABOUTS INSIDE THE ROUND ABOUTS. THAT'S WHERE I LOST IT. >> I THINK IF WE'RE GOING FOR AS COMMISSIONER ROLLINS SAYS IF WE'RE GOING FOR A MORE RURAL LOOK FOR THE COUNTY, THAT'S ANOTHER SELLING POINT. INSTEAD OF HAVING A LOT OF STOP AND GO LIGHTS EVERYWHERE YOU GO, YOU GOT A NICE ROUND ABOUT YOU CAN LANDSCAPE AND IT LOOKS GOOD AND THE TRAFFIC AND HE'S GOT A POINT. THE TRAFFIC DOESN'T GO QUITE AS FAST BUT YOU GET A LOT OF VOLUME THROUGH BECAUSE EVERYTHING KEEPS MOVING. >> A DECISION WE MAKE HERE -- >> IF HE GETS OFFLINE WITH THE ENGINEERING FOLKS AND LET'S LOOK AT A COST COMPARISON IF WE CAN SAVE A HALF A MILLION BUCKS DOING IT. THE PROBLEM WITH THE OTHER SIDE OF THIS IS PEOPLE AREN'T IN THE UNITED STATES AREN'T USED TO DRIVING IN ROUND ABOUTS. AND AT LEAST FOR THE FIRST YEAR OR TWO, WE'LL PROBABLY GET MORE ACCIDENTS. I DON'T KNOW S. THAT TRUE? >> JUST A GUT FEELING. >> PEOPLE WOULD HAVE TO SLOW DOWN. >> PEOPLE WOULD HAVE TO SLOW DOWN YES. BUT THE LEARNING PERIOD WHICH IS WHAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT, I'VE HEARD ALL OF THOSE COMMENTS AND THIS MANY TIMES. WHAT HAPPENS IN REALITY IS THAT IT MAY TAKE PEOPLE A FEW DAYS, A WEEK. I'VE BEEN TO ROUND ABOUTS ON OPENING DAY AND THERE IS A LOT OF HESITATIONS PEOPLE WORK OUT BECAUSE IT'S A LEARNING EXERCISE. BUT THEN YOU GO BACK A WEEK LATER OR TWO WEEKS LATER AND ARGUE MAZED AT HOW FAST THE URBAN DRIVERS LEARN TO DRIVE AROUND THE ROUND ABOUT. FOR ME THE MOST IMPORTANT ELEMENT IS SPEED CONTROL. THIS IS WHY A LOT OF PEOPLE FORGET. WHEN YOU ARE GOING THROUGH A PROPERLY DESIGNED ROUND ABOUT YOU ARE DOING 15 TO 20-MILE AN HOUR. THE SPEEDSTERS I CAN GO THROUGH [01:10:01] IT AT 27 BUT I GOT TO BE REALLY CONCENTRATING OINT. MOST PEOPLE IT'S 15-20. AT THAT POINT THAT SPEED OTHER DRIVERS NOW HAVE A LOT MORE TIME IN WHICH TO MAKE A DECISION. IF YOU MAKE A BAD DECISION YOU ARE GOING SLOW, THE OTHER DRIVER IS GOING SLOW AND YOU GOT A HIGH CHANCE AVOIDING A COLLISION. THAT SAID, ROUND ABOUTS DO NOT ELIMINATE ALL CRASHES. TYPICALLY AGGRESSIVE DRIVER WHO THINKS THEY CAN BEAT THE PERSON THAT IS COMING AROUND THE ROUND ABOUT AND THAT'S A FAIL TO YIELD CALIFORNIA I CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT THAT AS A DRIVER BEHAVIOR PROBLEM. THEN YOU HAVE A DRINK DRIVER THAT RUN OFF THE SIDE, RUN INTO THE MIDDLE OF THE ROUND ABOUT AND MESS UP THE LANDSCAPING THAT IS IN THERE. THAT'S WHY IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THE LANDSCAPING THAT GOES IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ROUND ABOUT IS YOU CAN PUT BIG TREES IN. THERE ARE A LOT OF LITTLE THINGS TO DO WITH THE ROUND ABOUT TO MAKE IT BETTER. YOU CAN CREATE TOWN CENTERS OUT OF ROUND ABOUT. YOU GOT TO BE CARE. ABOUT YOUR DESIGN TO GET IT DONE PROPERLY. >> IS THERE ANYTHING Y'ALL WALL LIKE TO APPROACH THE PODIUM AND SHARE WAS OR WHATEVER IF YOU DON'T HAVE TO. JUST GIVING YOU THE OPPORTUNITY. >> NOT UNLESS YOU HAVE SOME QUESTIONS. >> DO YOU LIKE ROUND ABOUTS? >> 50/50. >> WE APPRECIATE Y'ALL BEING HERE TONIGHT. >> RONNY ROBINSON. IT'S A NICE CONVERSATION. I THINK THERE IS STILL A LOT THAT NEEDS TO BE KNOWN AS FAR AS HOW MUCH IT WILL COST TO PUT THEM IN. ROUND ABOUTS THEY PUT TWO OF THEM IN 13. I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY HAS GONE FROM 65 TO 15. I THINK THERE IS A LOT OF THINGS THAT NEED TO BE THOUGHT ABOUT, HOW WIDE IS THE ROAD. WE GOT TO BUILD IT TO DOT SPECS. WIDTH IS NOT IN THERE. IS THERE A LOT OF WAYS WE CAN GET DOWN. WE NEED TO MOVE AT A PACE. IT NEEDS TO BE NONE FIVE YEARS. I HEARD MR. KLINSMANN BACK HERE. HE'S A GOOD GUY. BUT YOU CAN'T STOP PROGRESS. I ELEVEN IN CLAY COUNTY WHEN THERE WAS 15,000 PEOPLE IN CLAY COUNTY. MY UNDERSTANDING IS DIDN'T SOMEBODY SAY THERE WAS A SECOND MEETING, FASTEST GROWING COUNTY IN THE STATE. >> SECOND OR THIRD. RIGHT UP THERE ON TOP. >> ANYWAY, I THINK SOME THOUGHT NEED TO BE PUT INTO THAT. THEY WERE ASKING A QUESTION ABOUT BAXLEY BACK TO 17. THAT'S ALWAYS BEEN A REALLY HIGH DOLLAR FIGURE. THE BRIDGE AT 209. YOU GOT TRAFFIC BACKING UP ON BOTH END OF 209 NOW. AT 17 AND AT THE BRIDGE. IT'S TERRIBLE. AT ONE TIME STATE WAS SUPPOSED TO HELP WITH THE PLAN AND DESIGN OF THAT BRIDGE AT 290 AT ONE TIME. I DON'T KNOW WHERE IT STANDS NOW. I THINK WE OUGHT TO SIT DOWN AND LOOK HOW WIDE THE ROADS ARE GOING TO BE. WE NEED A 22-FOOT MEDIAN. DO THEY NEED TO BE 70 FEET WIDE? WE DID SAVE A LOT OF MONEY BY DOWN SIZING HENLEY. IT WAS 126 FEET WIDE WHEN IT STARTED OUT WITH A 22-FOOT MEDIAN. IT ENDED UP 94 FEET ON ONE END AND 90 ON THE OTHER WITH A 16-FOOT MEDIAN THAT WAS NOT RACED. ALSO I WOULD TELL EVERYBODY YOU TALK ABOUT STOPPING STUFF FROM COMING. YOU CAN'T DO THAT. YOU TALK ABOUT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND JOBS. WE DON'T HAVE ANY JOBS IN CLAY COUNTY. BUILDERS GIVE A LOT OF JOBS. CAR BUSINESS GIVES JOBS. THEY SPEND MONEY HERE AND THERE. WE NEED TO LOOK AT IT. I DO AGREE WE NEED TO LOOK AT IT AND DO IT THE RIGHT WAY THERE. NO REASON YOU CAN'T DO THAT IN THE NEXT FIVE YEARS. I THINK IT'S SMART TO BOND MONEY. I DON'T THINK YOU SHOULD PUT [01:15:03] $5.8 MILLION IN RESERVE. IT NEEDS TO GO TO ROADS. THANK YOU. >> YOU TOLD ME ONE TIME Y'ALL SAVED HOW MUCH BY MODIFYING THE MEDIANS ON HENLEY. IT WAS LIKE $5 MILLION. >> I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT CAME TO. MIKE HAS ALL THE PRICES. OVERALL WITH FOREVER HENLEY AND I'VE HEARD THE COUNTY MANAGER SAY WE PAID FOR PROPERTY. >> WE DIDN'T OVERPAY FOR PROPERTY. WE STARTED AT 15% OVER AND SOME OF IT WAS 20. IF WE HAD NOT DONE WHAT WE DONE WE WOULD HAVE HAD TO PART OF THE WIN DIXIE PROPERTY AND ALL THE HOUSES ON HENLEY WOULD HAVE HAD TO BE BOUGHT. BUT THE TOTAL SAVINGS ON HENLEY WAS ABOUT 22 MILLION IF I REMEMBER RIGHT. >> THANK YOU. >> I WAS CHAIR WHEN THE BONDING WAS DONE THE FIRST TIME. $79 MILLION I SIGNED. I THOUGHT WHAT IN THE WORLD HAVE I GOT INTO. I REMEMBER I DON'T KNOW THAT I REMEMBER CORRECTLY FINAL WAS 55 MILLION. SO THERE WAS SOMEWHERE PLUS OR MINUS 25 MILLION WHEN YOU GOT THERE. NOW SOME OF IT FIVE FOOT SEAHAWKS TO FOUR FOOT. SOME THINGS LIKE. THAT BUT A GOOD PART WAS ALSO THE ECONOMY. IT WAS THE TIME OF THE BAD ECONOMY. WE WERE LUCKY TO GET WHAT THE PROSE POLL HAD BEEN. BONDING IS THE ONLY WAY YOU ARE GOING TO GET ENOUGH ROADS BUILT WITH THE THINGS YOU HAVE TO OPERATE WITH AS A COMMISSIONER AND THE AMOUNT OF MONEY AND OTHER IMMATERIAL OTHER YOU GOT TO PAY FOR. THE CHALLENGE, THE DECISION IS WHERE WHICH ONES , WHAT IS GOING TO DO THE MOST GOOD AND UNTIL YOU GET SOME ESTIMATES IT'S REALLY HARD TO DECIDE WHAT THAT FINAL GO IS. I DON'T ENVY YOU. I'VE BEEN UP THERE. YOU GOT TO LOOK INTO THE FUTURE. TRUST THE STAFF TO DO ALL THEY CAN DO AND GET YOU GOOD INFORMATION. YOU'VE GOT TPO ALMOST AT MPO. SHOWS YOU HOW OLD I AM. THE TPO AND OTHER PLANNING AGENCIES , THE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION. THE WATER MAINTENANCE WHEN IT COMES INTO PLAY IN SOME OF THESE LOCATIONS. YOU GO JUST A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT, IT'S A LOT LESS EXPENSIVE THAN GOING IN A STRAIGHT LINE. SO A LOT OF SWEAT EQUITY. A LOT OF HARD WORK. A LOT OF QUESTIONS MAKE BEST DECISION YOU CAN, GO FOR IT AND LIVE WITH IT. >> WE'VE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSION TONIGHT. BUT VERY LITTLE ON THE PRESENTATION THAT OUR COUNTY MANAGER MADE AS FAR AS THE SPECIFITY OF THESE ROADS AND LOCATION. IF ANYBODY HAS ANY THOUGHTS IN THEIR HEAD. NOW IS A GOOD TIME TO SHARE THEM. HAVE ANOTHER CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICE WE ARE US TONIGHT. JIMMY YOU GOT ANYTHING WANT TO SHARE WAS ON THIS SINCE YOU ARE GROUND ZERO IN THE MIDDLE OF ALL THIS DEVELOPMENT. >> I WANT TO THANK HOWARD AND DEAL FOR INVITE MANAGE TOE COME SIT DOWN WITH THEM AND GO THROUGH THEIR PROJECTS. RONNY SAID GROWTH IS COMING. WE DO NEED PREPARE FOR WHAT IS COMING TOMORROW. ALTHOUGH SOME OF OUR ACTIONS AND FACTS ARE THE ROADS, THE CONGESTION IS HERE. WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH IT. I THINK THIS PLAN WILL WORK. I BELIEVE IT'S GOING TO BE GOOD. THERE IS ALWAYS BEEN A QUESTION IN MY MIND IF A THREE LANE ROAD WOULD SUFFICE FROM SAND RIDGE DOWN TO 17. AND I STILL HAVE A LITTLE RESERVATION OF THAT. HOPEFULLY PLAN FOR THE THREE [01:20:02] LANE WILL WORK. I DID HAVE A QUESTION THAT I FAILED TO ASK YOU HOWARD AND DALE ABOUT COULD YOU DESCRIBE BRIEFLY THE THREE LANE HOW IT WORKS AS FAR AS ARE THERE TURN LANES S THERE A MEDIAN. TELL ME HOW THAT THREE LANE ROAD WOULD WORK THERE PLEASE. >> I'LL NEED HELP FROM DALE. IF YOU COULD COME UP AND TALK ABOUT WIDTH. WE DID A LOT OF DISCUSSION. AS DALE IS COMING UP. WE HAD DISCUSSION ABOUT STRAIGHT LINING THE FIRST COAST CONNECTOR. THERE IS WETLAND WAS ANOTHER AREA TO POINT OUT. DIPS TO THE SOUTH. WE SID WHY CAN'T WE GO STRAIGHT ACROSS. WE HAD THAT DISCUSSION EVEN THIS MORNING. LOOKING AT THE WIDTH OF THE ROAD AND THEN DALE AS WE TALKED AABOUT THE CENTER LANE AND HAVING THE TURN LANES IN THERE, WHAT WE'LL HAVE WITH THE THREE LANE URBAN ROAD IS THREE 12-FOOT LANES. THE TWO LANES GOING IN OPPOSITE DIRECTIONS. THERE WILL BE ASSENTER TURN LANE. WE'VE NOT GONE INTO INTO THE FINAL DESIGN. IT MAKES SENSE TO PUT IN THE MEDIAN. AS THE GENTLEMAN SAID EARLIER YOU DON'T HAVE A CONTINUOUS PASSING LANE. THERE WILL BE BIKE LANES OUTSIDE OF THESE 12-FOOT LANES ALONG WITH FIVE FOOT SEAHAWKS. >> BASICALLY YOU'VE GOT TWO LANES THERE NOW. YOU WOULD REDESIGN AND REWORK TO PULL THOSE OUT AND YOU'D HAVE A MEDIAN LANE THAT SERVES ITS PURPOSE FOR TURN LANES OR COMING IN. >> THE WHOLE PURPOSE IS A TURN LANE AND NOT A PASSING LANE. >> NOT A PASSING LANE, AWESOME. >> I FAILED TO ASK YOU THAT. IN MY MIND NO WAY THAT A ROUND ABOUT WOULD WORK AT THE INTERSECTION OF 209 AND SAND RIDGE ROAD WITH THE TRAFFIC COMING THERE AT 55 PLUS MILES AN HOUR MORNING AND EVENING TRYING TO GET HOME, TRYING TO GET TO WORK. IT WILL BE A CIRCUS AND A DEATH TRAP. THAT WORKS IN SUBDIVISIONS WHERE YOU ARE DOING 25 MILES AN HOUR AND LESS SUCH AS EAST WEST PARKWAY ALL OVER OUR COUNTRY. IT WILL NOT WORK THERE. PLEASE DON'T WASTE YOUR ENGINEERS TIME TO TRY MAKE THAT HAPPEN THERE. I WILL STAND OUT THERE WAY PICKET SIGN IF Y'ALL DO THAT. IT WILL NEVER WORK AT 209 AND SAND RIDGE ROAD. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU DO. >> WE'RE GOING TO GET EVERYBODY TO THE MICROPHONE SO HAVE A FEW PATIENCE. >> TALKING ABOUT THE THREE LANE. TALKING ABOUT THREE LANE ON SAND RIDGE. I'M NOT SURE THEY UNDERSTAND. IT'S SORT OF TAKING A CHANCE PUTTING A THREE LANE IN. WHEN WE PUT IN THE CULVERTS UNDER SAND RIDGE WE DESIGNED IT AT THE TIME WHERE IT WOULD ACCOMMODATE FOUR LANES. IF WE PUT IN THREE LANES NOW AND LATER DO FOUR -- IT'S SET UP NOW TO ACCOMMODATE FOUR LANES IF IT'S PUT IN THE WAY WE CONTRACTED FOR. >> THAT'S CORRECT. WE EXTENDED THE WIDTH OF THE EXTENDING CULVERT SO WE COULD PUT FOUR LANES IN IN THE FUTURE. IT DOESN'T OBLIGATE US. >> IT WOULD COST MORE TO DO IT THAT WAY THAN DO IT NOW. >> IF YOU COME BACK AND DO IT LATER IT'S GOING TO COST MORE. >> IF YOU WIDE FINANCE THREE TO FOUR IT'S GOING TO -- >> CORRECT. >> NEXT. WHO ELSE? I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU ONE MORE BITE OUT OF THE APPLE AND YOU ARE GOING TO USE UP YOUR TIME FOR TONIGHT SO MAKE IT BRIEF. >> YES, SIR. I THINK I HAVE SOME GOOD QUESTIONS. THIS ONE IS A GOOD ONE TOO. AND THERE IS A COMMENT TOO. $20 MILLION ON 218 FOR WHAT? $20 MILLION FOR THAT? THAT IS RIDICULOUS. THE OTHER THING I WANT TO KNOW THE SIDEWALKS ARE ALREADY THERE ON 218 THANK GOD. I CAME FOR FIVE YEARS TO GET SIDEWALKS ON THERE WHERE THAT BOY DIED. WE KNOW WE HAVE A BIG PROBLEM IN NORTHEAST FLORIDA WITH OUR PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC AND THE LIGHTING. LITTLE GIRL FROM POP AYES CHICKEN JUST GOT HIT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD WHILE THE LIGHTS WEREN'T WORKING. I WANT TO YOU ADDRESS THE SIDEWALK ISSUE AND THE PEDESTRIAN ON ALL THIS CONGESTION MESS. I DON'T SEE HOW YOU CAN'T PUT A MORATORIUM ON THIS. [01:25:01] IT'S WAY OVERDID YOUDOWN NOW. IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO BUILD A HOUSE FOR THEIR KIDS. >> TALKING ABOUT THE PLACEMENT OF THE ROADS RIGHT NOW. >> EVERYBODY ELSE HAS BEEN TALKING ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE THAT HAVE MOVED IN. YOU JUST HAD THE COMMISSIONERS TALKING ABOUT THAT. >> HE EVEN REDIRECTED ME AND SAID I WAS GETTING OFF TOPIC. >> IF YOU CAN PLEASE ADDRESS THE SIDEWALKS AND HOW WE'RE GOING TO ADESTROYED DEATHS ON OUR ROADS FOR NOT HAVING PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC. >> ABSOLUTELY. >> NEXT COMMENT. >> I WANT TO LET EVERYBODY ELSE SPEAK. THE TOPIC ABOUT PLACEMENT OF THE ROADS, WHERE Y IS THAT IMPORTANT TO HAVE ACCESS, EGRESS INGRESS, JUST OVERALL IT'S DEVELOPMENT. BUT IT'S ALSO EMERGENCY SERVICES. PLUS THE IMPORTANT PART IS YOUR LAND COST ON GREEN FIELD RIGHT OF WAY WHETHER IT'S PURCHASED, SWAPPED OUT, TRADE IMPACT FEES IS A LOT CHEAPER ON GREEN FIELD VERSUS ALREADY DEVELOPED. SO IF I'VE GOT A 1,000-ACRE PARCEL IS THANKSGIVING IS GREEN FIELD VERSUS 100 ACRES YOU KNOW WHAT THE APPRAISAL COST ARE. FAIR MARKET VALUE. GREEN FIELD DEVELOPMENT AND PLACEMENT OF MULTIACCESS POINTS IS GOING TO BE IMPORTANT. WHERE WE MIGHT GET $1,000 ON ACCUSEDDER IS OR $100 AN ACRE YOU PUT FOUR HOUSES THERE, YOU ARE GOING TO GET -- CARMEL ININDIANS IS KNOWN FOR ROUND ABOUT. IF YOU WANT TO LOOK HIM UP. HE'S BEEN A SPEAKER AT THE INTERNATIONAL ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COUNCIL HOW THEY HAVE USED ROUND ABOUT AS DEVELOPMENT FOR GREEN FIELDS AN URBAN REDEVELOPMENT. LIVABLE WALKABLE COMMUNITY. THAT'S ALL I HAD. I'LL FELT P FILL OUT A CARD. >> JJ MENTIONED THE IMPACT ON PUBLIC SAFETY AS FAR AS THIS ROAD DESIGN. CHIEF, YOU GOT THOUGHTS YOU CAN SHARE WAS ON THAT SIR? OBVIOUSLY THAT IS IMPORTANT. WE HAVE NOT DISCUSSED IT TONIGHT. WHEN I WAS MANAGER BACK IN THE APRIL TIME FRAME THROUGH PARTICIPATING WITH THE TEAM AS THE ROADWAYS HAVE BEEN DISCUSSED AND LOOKED AT I THINK ACCESS INTO AREAS FOR PUBLIC SAFETY IS THE MOST IMPORTANT SAFETY. WE HAVE SOME AREAS WHERE LIMITED ROADWAY ACCESS HAS BEEN A PROBLEM SINCE THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE COMMUNITY IS SOMETHING THAT IN THE FUTURE WHEN YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO PROPERLY PLAN FOR ROADS WE SHOULD AVOID. THAT HAS BEEN DISCUSSED I THINK BOTH IN THIS BODY AND IN THE PLANNING COMMISSION OVER TIME WITH IT. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I MOST ENCOURAGED BY THIS PLAN IS THAT AS WE TAKE A LOOK AT WHERE SOME OF THE GROWTH IS FORECAST TO TAKE PLACE, WE WILL HAVE ALREADY PUT IN PLACE PLANS TO BOTH HAVE ROADWAYS THAT ARE CAPABLE OF SUPPORTING THE IMMEDIATE NEEDS OF THE COMMUNITY AND THEN BOTH BE EXPANDABLE BECAUSE WE'RE LOOKING AT EXPANSIVE RIGHT OF WAY AS THEY DISCUSSIONED WITH SAND RIDGE AND HENLEY THAT YOU CAN DISCUSS AS THAT ROADWAY TAKES PLACE. THAT IT SEEMS TO ME PERSPECTIVE. LOOKING AT THE MAP AND HAVING SAT IN ON THE DISCUSSIONS FOR PLANNING FOR THIS. >> QUESTIONS BEFORE I LEAVE THE PODIUM? >> SEEING NONE I'M GOING BACK TO SIT DOWN. >> DON'T LEAVE CHIEF. >> DOES THIS AFFECT I KNOW WE [01:30:06] HAVE KIND OF A MASSIVE REALLOCATION OF FIRE STATIONS GOING O. DOES HAD FIT YOUR PLAN? >> WE HAVE A NEED WHEN WE TALK ABOUT LAKE AS BURY IN GENERAL. THE STATION AT STATION 15 AND WE TALKED ABOUT IT WITH THE COMMUNITY AT THE CHAIRMAN'S TOWN HALL MEETING WITH IT. IT WAS BUILT IN AN AREA WHERE THE VOLUNTEERS LIVED AT THE TIME. THE GOAL IS TO MOVE INTO THE LARGER FACILITY TO ACCOMMODATE ALL OF THE APPARATUS THAT IS ASSIGNED THERE. WE WOULD LOOK TO RELOCATE STATION 15 ON ONE OF THE CORRIDORS. AS THE PLAN IS DEVELOP AND PUT INTO PLACE AND YOU DECIDE WHICH ROADWAYS YOU WANT TO MOVE WITH BONDING IT WOULD BE IMPERATIVE ON US TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AND MAXIMIZE THE LOCATION OF THAT STATION. IT HAS A 180-DEGREE ARC AND UTILIZING THOSE NEW ROADWAYS AS THEY GO IN WOULD BE SMARTED PLANNING FOR THE FUTURE PLACEMENT OF THAT STATION. >> ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COME ON UP YOUNG LADY. YOU ARE GOING TO TALK ABOUT 209 RIGHT? >> I RESIDE AT 3419 -- IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO GET IN AND OUT OF TRAFFIC INTO YOUR DRIVEWAY. PLEASE DON'T PUT A ROUND ABOUT OUT THERE BECAUSE IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. THE THREE LANES OF TRAFFIC IS THERE GOING TO BE A MIDDLE LANE SO PEOPLE IF THEY HAVE TO TURN INTO THEIR DRIVEWAY AND TURN INTO THEIR DRIVEWAYS OR GET OUT. I'M NOT SURE HOWTA IS SUPPOSED TO WORK. THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THE MIDDLE LANE. IT ALLOWS TO US PULL OUT ON TO THE STREET AND GIVE YOU A SAFETY SPOT. WHEN YOU ARE TURNING INTO YOUR DRIVEWAY YOU'LL PULL INTO THAT MIDDLE LANE TO MAKE THAT LEFT-HAND TURN. >> OK. >> JUST WORRIED ABOUT IT BECAUSE WHEN YOU ARE COMING HOME FROM A WORK DAY, YOU GO TO PULL IN YOUR DRIVEWAY, PEOPLE THEY START AT WATT KINS ROAD AND YOU CAN HEAR THEM REV IT UP AND THEY PASS YOU ON THAT STRAIGHT AWAY. YOU WILL GET RAN OVER. NOW IF IT'S THREE LANES, WHAT IF SOMEBODY IS IN THAT MID 8 LANE, >> THAT IS WHAT THE MEDIAN, WILL TAKE CARE OF PART OF THAT. >> THE MEDIAN IS NOT FOR A PASSING LANE, IT IS FOR A LEFT TURNING LANE. >> THAT WOULD PREVENT A LOT OF THAT AND WATKINS ROAD AND YOU WILL HAVE RIGHT TURN LANES YOU CAN DECELERATE AND YOU WILL HAVE A LOT OF TRAFFIC THAT WILL END UP WITH 4 LANES. >> JUST FOR CLARIFICATION IT WON'T LOOK LIKE ÃWITH THE CENTER TURN LANE ALL THE WAY DOWN. KINGSLEY AVENUE WERE YOU HAVE MEDIANS AND YOU CAN PULL OVER. THAT'S WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT. >> I WAS THINKING IT WAS GOING TO GO ALL THE WAY DOWN. I DON'T WANT. I'M SORRY I HAVE LIVED HERE FOR 48 YEARS I DON'T WANT TO LOOK LIKE JACKSONVILLE. >> AMEN. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? WE SEEM TO BE RUNNING OUT. WE CAN TRY ONE MORE TIME. >> I WANT TO CLARIFY AT NO POINT DID I SAY STOP ÃI DID SAY SLOW IT DOWN. THAT'S ALL I WAS ASKING AND TO STOP THIS CRAMMING OF SO MANY HOMES, BECAUSE I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHO WOULD WANT TO LIVE IN A HOUSE THAT IS FIVE FEET AWAY FROM THE NEXT HOUSE BUT THANK GOD, I AM NOT A [01:35:15] MILLENNIAL. AND AT LEAST WE CAN LOOK BACK ON WOODSTOCK AND CIVIL RIGHTS AND THE ONLY THING THE MILLENNIAL'S HAVE GIVEN US HIS SCOLIOSIS FROM LOOKING DOWN AT THEIR PHONES FOR AN ALTERNATE LIFESTYLE I DID NOT SAY STOP. I APPROVE IF IT'S ONLY GOING TO BE FIVE YEARS. IDEA. >> OKAY. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COME ON UP. IT'S NOT OFTEN WE GET THE MEDIA TO COME UP AND MAKE COMMENTS. >> JOHN CANTRELL I LIVE AT 3800 S. ÃCIRCLE. RIGHT ACROSS FROM RONNIE VAN ZANDT PARK AND I TAKE THAT EVERY MORNING PAST JIMMIES AND I THINK RONNIE IS BEHIND HIM. THERE'S A LOT OF CONGESTION. I AM AGAINST A ROUNDABOUT AND IT COST THEM A LOT MORE MONEY. I THINK WE NEED A FOUR LANE ON 209. IT'S A MAJOR PROBLEM AND I HAD A QUESTION, WE SEE THE GROWTH, IT HAS TO BE DONE. I GUESS IT'S ON THE MAP. PAST THE RACE TRACK. THUS THE ONE THAT COMES OFF AND INSTEAD OF TURNING LEFT IT WILL GO STRAIGHT ACROSS. >> LET'S GET THIS DIAGRAM UP BECAUSE I'M NOT SURE. >> YOU ARE THINKING OF THAT HAIRPIN TURN. AND IT TURNS TO THE ORANGE >> THAT'S THE SIDE AT ÃIT HAS TO HAPPEN. THAT'S ALL. >> THANK YOU JOHN. ANYONE ELSE? >> AS ANY TYPICAL GOVERNMENT PROJECT ÃIN ANY ELECTION YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE PEOPLE WHO DON'T LIKE THIS AND SOME WHO REALLY DO. HOPEFULLY ÃBLESS THEM FOR THOSE THAT DON'T AND WANTS TO DEAL FOR SOMETHING FOR A WHILE IT'S NOT AS PAINFUL AS THIS AND ONE STORE THERE AND A BUNCH OF COW FIELDS AND WE SET UP LATE AT NIGHT WORRYING ABOUT ALL THE GROWTH AND IT HIT AND IT WAS DONE RIGHT AND I HAVE ADJUSTED TO IT AND I ENJOY GOING UP TO THE KANGAROO AND THE SCHOOLS AND THE WINN-DIXIE AND YOUR BODY AND YOUR MIND CLIMATE TIES AS TO WHATEVER WAS NEGATIVE AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE ARE GOING TO EXPERIENCE WITH THIS. THERE WILL BE SOME THAT DON'T LIKE IT AND SOME WHO DO AND SOME IN THE MIDDLE. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? SEEING NONE, LET'S GO BACK TO THE BOARD. WHAT'S THE NEXT COURSE OF ACTION? WE NEED ONE MORE PUBLIC HEARING? >> WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE ANSWERED EVERY QUESTION SO YOU CAN IDENTIFY THE PROJECTS AT THE NEXT BOARD MEETING FEBRUARY 11 GRADE AT THAT TIME WE WILL INTRODUCE TO YOU THE PROPOSED RESOLUTION AS WELL AS THE PRELIMINARY OFFERING STATEMENT THEY WILL BE SUBMITTED TO YOU THE FEBRUARY 25 BOARD MEETING FOR FINAL APPROVAL. SO THE UNDERWRITER AND THE FINANCIAL ADVISOR WILL BE HERE ON FEBRUARY 13 SO THEY WANTED TO EXTEND THE OPPORTUNITY TO ANY OF YOU WHO HAVE QUESTIONS [01:40:03] WHO WANT TO MEET WITH THEM AND YOU REVIEW THE RESOLUTION IN THE PRELIMINARY OFFERING STATEMENT ON THE AGENDA THEY WILL BE HERE ON THE 13TH, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS THAT WILL BE YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO MEET WITH THEM IN ON THE 25TH THEY WILL BE BACK HERE FOR FINAL APPROVAL. >> WHEN THESE SIX PROJECTS ARE BAKED INTO THE BOND ISSUE THAT'S IT. THERE IS NO CHANGE. >> WE HAVE FLEXIBILITY. IT HAS BEEN DRAFTED INTO THE RESOLUTION SO IF YOU END UP RUNNING OUT OF MONEY BECAUSE OF COST OVERRUNS THAT'S WHY WE HAVE ASKED FOR YOU TO PRIORITIZE THEM SHE WOULD KNOW WHICH WOULD FALL OFF OR IF WE HAVE A GREAT ÃCOST SAVINGS AND THERE IS FLEXIBILITY TO ADD TO THE PROJECT LIST WITH JUST A SIMPLE RESOLUTION FROM THE BOARD AS OPPOSED TO GOING BACK TO Ã >> YOU AND STAFF ALL ÃBAKING THIS CAKE OR DO WE NEED FURTHER. [INDISCERNIBLE] AMONG OURSELVES? >> THE SOONER A DECISION IS MADE AND I THINK COMMISSIONER, NO WORRIES, WE HAVE TAKEN THE PUBLIC OPINION IN TODAY'S OPINION FROM THE PUBLIC AND WE WILL ADDRESS ALL OF THAT AND MAKE A CONSORTED EFFORT TO DO THE RIGHT THING WITH ALL OF THESE PROJECTS WHEN IT COMES TO MEDIANS OR ROUNDABOUTS COST SAVINGS. MOST IMPORTANTLY WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO PROVE IT AND POSSIBLY USE THE MONEY IF THERE WERE EXTRA MONIES BECAUSE IT WILL GO TO THE DESIGN PHASE AND THERE MAY BE SOME OTHER ÃAND WHEN THEY HAVE IT HIGHER AND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE 75 MILLION AND THE 55 MILLION AND WE WANT TO WRITE THAT INTO THE CONTRACT TO SAY THAT WHOEVER IS BUYING THE BONDS UNDERSTANDS WE ARE GOING TO USE THESE MONIES FOR LONG-TERM CONTRACTS, THAT WAS THE KEY TO ALL OF THIS. SOMETHING THAT WOULD LAST 25 OR 30 YEARS APPROXIMATELY. >> WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO PREPAY THIS OFF SO WE ARE NOT STUCK LIKE LAST TIME. I THINK MIKE. HALFWAY THROUGH. SOON THE ANSWER IS YES. SOON MAKE YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE TO PUT THE MEAT ON THE BONES >> I THINK MOVING FORWARD BASED ON THE COMMENTS THAT ARE HERE. COURTNEY AND I HAVE TALKED ABOUT PUTTING UP A FINAL PUBLIC HEARING ON THE 11TH ON THE BCC AGENDA AND IT WOULD OPEN IT UP ONE MORE TIME FOR PUBLIC, TO MOVE FORWARD I WANT TO STRESS, IT SEEMS LIKE A VERY TIGHT TIMELINE. BECAUSE IF YOU DELAY IN WAITING EVERY POINT ONE THAT GOES UP WILL MEAN IT'S A $90,000 INCREASE AND FOR EVERY POINT LESS WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS AND WHERE THE MARKET IS THE 13TH IS DEFINITELY THE QUESTION TO ASK, AND THEY PREDICT IT OUT AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS TOWARDS THE END OF LAST YEAR AND THAT'S WHY THEY TARGET IN MARCH. IT'S A KEY TIME TO HAVE THE BONDS PURCHASED AND HAVING THE UNDERWRITERS IS NOW KEY. WE HAVE SOME COMPETITION AND THEY WILL GET THE BOND AND TO SAVE US SOME MONEY >> WE WILL LOOK FORWARD TO. [INDISCERNIBLE] >> IT IS THE 11TH. >> LET ME KNOW IF ANYONE WANTS TO MEET ON THE 13TH. >> LAST WORD? DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? >> * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.