[00:00:04] WELCOME TO THE CLAY COUNTY PLANNING AND COMMISSION PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING FOR FEBRUARY 4TH, IS TODAYS DATE. BEFORE WE GET STARTED WITH ANY OF THE ITEMS HERE, I WOULD ASK EVERYBODY IF THEY COULD PLEASE STAND AND JOIN US IN THE PLEDGE. [Pledge of Allegiance] [Call to Order] MY NAME THE RALPH PUCKHABER. I'M ACTUALLY THE VICE CHAIRMAN OF THE BOARD. OUR CHAIRMAN IS NOT HERE TONIGHT. I WILL MAKE SOME INTRODUCTIONS. OF WHO WE DO HAVE HERE. STARTING ON THE FAR RIGHT MY FAR RIGHT YOUR LEFT IS KELLY COLLINS OUR RECORDING SECRETARY. NEXT TO KELLY JAMESS TOA REPRESENTING THE CLAY COUNTY SCHOOL BOARD. AT THESE MEETINGS. WE HAVE A NEW MEMBER OF OUR PANEL TONIGHT BILL GARRISON COMMISSIONER BILL GARRISON. TO MIGHT RIGHT IS ROBERT MCCULLA. I SEE HIM COMING IN JUST A MINUTE OR SO LATE. TO MY LEFT MR. JOE ANZALONE. NEXT OVER IS MARY BRIDGMAN AND ANOTHER NEW MEMBER OF OUR PANEL BO NORTON. ED LEHMAN OUR PLANNING AND ZONING DIRECTOR. NEXT TO HIM MISS COURTNEY GRIMM OUR COUNTY ATTORNEY. OVER HERE WE HAVE BETT CARSON OUR SENIOR PLANNER. I SEE CAROLYN MORGAN OUR CHIEF PLANNER IN THE AUDIENCE. WE HAVE OUR COUNTY MANAGER MR. HOWARD WANNAMAKER. WE HAVE ANALISA OUR PUBLIC INFORMATION OFFICER AND IN THE BACK OUR DALE SMITH OUR PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR. SO FOR EVERYONE IN THE AUDIENCE CLAY COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION WE ARE ADVISORY BOARD TO THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS. OUR DECISION TONIGHT ARE RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE BCC AND ON THE ITEMS THAT WE WILL BE DISCUSSING THE BCC WILL HAVE THE FINAL SAY ALTERNATE THEIR MEETING ON FEBRUARY 25TH, WHICH IS THREE WEEKS FROM TONIGHT. IN THIS SAME ROOM. THEIR MEETING STARTS AT 4:00 IN THE AFTERNOON. WITH THAT WE WILL GET STARTED. IS THERE ANYBODY HERE I ALWAYS LIKE TO ASK THAT'S NEVER BEEN TO PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING BEFORE? ALL RIGHT. WE'LL JUST DO A REAL QUICK WHAT WILL HAPPEN. WE WILL GO THROUGH THE AGENDA FOR EACH ITEM THE APPLICANT GETS TIME TO PRESENT THEIR REQUESTS. AFTER THAT WE'LL OPEN A PUBLIC HEARING. ANYBODY THE AUDIENCE IS FREE TO COMMENT. WE ASK YOU TO LIMIT IT TO THREE MINUTES. THERE'S A TIMER THERE ON THE PODIUM. THAT WE'LL LET YOU KNOW WHEN YOU ARE OUT OF TIME. AND AT THE ONCE THE PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED. WE WILL BRING THE ITEM BACK TO THIS BOARD FOR DISCUSSION AND THERE WILL BE NO FURTHER PUBLIC INPUT AT THAT POINT. WITH THAT IN MIND -- CARDS THANK YOU. BE IF THERE IS ANYONE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK. OUT IN THE VESTIBULE THERE'S COMMENT CARD. FILL THAT OUT AND GIVE TO THE RECORDING SECRETARY OVER HERE MISS KELLY AND WE WILL MAKE SURE YOU GET AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK. OUR FIRST THE OTHER THING I WOULD LIKE TO ASK IF ANYONE HAS THEIR CELL PHONE SHOULD YOU GET A CALL, PLEASE STEP OUTSIDE. TO TAKE THE CALL. IN FACT WE ASK IF YOU WOULD PUT THE PHONES ON VIBRATE. SO WE DON'T GET INTERRUPTED. WITH RINGS. AND WITH THAT WE'LL MOVE RIGHT INTO OUR AGENDA FOR TONIGHT. OUR FIRST ITEM WILL BE THE [1.  Approval of Minutes] APPROVAL OF MINUTES FROM OUR LAST MEETING. ANYBODY HAVE ANY CORRECTIONS? >> MOVE TO APPROVE. >> I HAVE A MOTION AND DO I GET A SECOND. >> SECOND. >> AND A SECOND ALL IN FAVOR APPROVING THE MINUTES STATE AYE. >> OPPOSED. [Public Comment] >> OKAY. AT THESE PUBLIC MEETING WE HAVE A PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD. AT THE BEGINNING AND THE END FOR ITEMS NOT RELATED TO ANY OF THE ITEMS ON THE AGENDA. AND I AM GOING TO OPEN THAT PUBLIC HEARING RIGHT NOW. I BELIEVE THAT MR. OTTO. YOU HAVE A CARD. [00:05:02] DO YOU WISH TO SPEAK? >> YES, SIR. THANK YOU PLANNING BOULEVARD SECTION CLAY COUNTY FLORIDA HOTELS. 2020 WHEREVER YOU ARE IN FLORIDA. CENTRAL FLORIDA, AWESOME. GLAD SOMEONE GOT HIM. I APPRECIATE MORE THE CONSENT AGENT ITEMS GOING O ON THE THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS AS A FULL BOARD. 130 MILLION DOLLARS THAT THE BOARD IS LOOKING AT IS JUST CRAZY. THEY ARE ACTING LIKE IT'S ALREADY PASSED AND EVERYTHING AND THE LOT OF THE COMMENTS THAT THEY ARE SAYING AND YOU KNOW THEY TALK LIKE $40 MILLION IN FEES. TEN YEARS WORTH OF IMPACT FEES WAS ABOUT $60 MILLION I FOUND OUT TONIGHT. THAT'S A ROUGH ESTIMATE. WHAT WE LOST WHICH IS ABOUT HALF OF THAT. THAT BOND THAT THEY ARE TRYING TO DO. BUT BY ALL MEANS, PLEASE, FOLK, WE NEED THIS TO GO IN FRONT OF THE VOTERS. IS HUGE, HUGE ISSUE. I ASKED THEM ABOUT SIDEWALKS TODAY AND I GOT SOME ROUND-ABOUT DISCUSSION ABOUT IT. THAT THEY WOULD GET THEM IN WITH IMPACT FEES OR WHATEVER. BUT WE SEE HOW THEY DROP THEM IN THE PAST. I WOULDN'T COUNT ON ANYTHING LIKE THAT. 300,000 DOLLARS WAS WHAT THEY QUOTED ROADS WHEN I WAS HERE IN THE MEETING AT THE PRIOR BCC WITH SOB'S. $300,000. HOW DO THEY COME UP WITH 20 MILLION TO DO A MILE ON 218. THEY ARE NOT DOING THE BRIDGE ON THE OTHER SIDE THAT THEY REPAIRED THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO BE REPLACING. THE -- THEIR FISCALLY UNRESPONSIBLE. THAT'S THE BOTTOM LINE. YOU KNOW THE OVERBILLING YOU CAN LOOK AT WHERE THEY PUT TWO STORY HOUSES RIGHT NEXT TO EACH OTHER. THEY PARK ON THE STREET. YOU CAN'T SEE THEM COMING OUT BETWEEN ALL THE CARS PARKED ON THE SIDEWALKS AND THE STREETS. SO I PLEASE BEG OF YOU WE HAVE GOT TO PUT OUR KIDS FIRST. WE GOT TO PUT SIDEWALKS FIRST. LOOK AT CLAY TRANSIT. WE WENT WITHOUT TRANSPORTATION FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE DOCTORS FOR CHRISTS SAKE. DO THEIR JOBS TO OTHER AREAS BECAUSE THE PRIOR BOARD WAS MORE INTERESTED IN FOOTBALL THAN THEY WERE ABOUT THE SAFETY AND WELL-BEING OF THIS COMMUNITY. THAT NEEDS TO STOP. THEY WANTED TO SPEND $500,000 ON THE FAIR GROUND. I'VE BEEN IN TALLAHASSEE THE LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS TALKING TO THEM UP THERE AT THE STATE CAPITOL AND THAT CAN GO BACK. AND BE RESPENT. IT DOES -- WE DON'T NEED TO SPEND $100,000 ON THE FAIRGROUNDS. ESPECIALLY NOW WE'VE GOT THE COMPANY THAT DUMPED ALL THE CHEMICAL. WE HAVE EASY BASE. CELLULITE. I THINK IT WAS WHATEVER THE COMPANY TRY TO FIGURE OUT. LOOK AT NEW JERSEY WHERE THEY GOT A CONSTANTLY CHECK THE WATER BECAUSE THE KIDS ARE GETTING CANCER. LET'S PUT OUR PRIORITIES FIRST. THE GOOD PRIORITIES. NOT SOMEONE ELSE'S POCKETBOOK. >> THANK YOU. >> AND THEY SAY THAT YOU GOT -- >> OKAY. THANK YOU, SIR. >> ANYONE ELSE IF NOT I WILL CLOSE THAT PUBLIC HEARING. AND MOVE TO OUR ITEM, OUR AGENDA [1.  Public Hearing to consider Rezoning Application PUD-19-12 PUD to PUD; US 17 and Radar Road] ITEMS FOR TONIGHT. OUR FIRST ITEM WILL BE A PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER A REZONING APPLICATION FROM HUPUD TO P DU APPLICATION 19-12 ON U.S. 17 AND RADAR ROAD. AND MISS CARSON, YOU HAVE THIS ONE. >> APPLICANT REQUESTING AS CHANGE END ZONING FROM PUD TO PUD. PARCEL 11.36 ACRE LOCATED WITHIN THE PLANNED FUTURE LAND USE CATEGORY. APPLICANT PROPOSES A CHANGE INZONING TO PROVIDE A SIGHT PLAN FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF 180 MULTIFAMILY UNIT COMMUNITY AND STANDARDS FOR BUFFERING OPEN SPACE AND RECREATIONAL AMENITIES. THIS IMAGE OF THE SURROUNDING ZONING. YOU CAN SEE IT SURROUNDED BY PUD. U.S. 17 IS TO THE EAST AND RADAR ROAD AND PUD TO THE SOUTH. IT'S AN AERIAL SHOT OF THE SIGHT. IS THERE SOME SIGHT PHOTOS IN THE SIGNS. THIS THE SIGHT PLAN AS YOU SEE THAT PROPOSE RECREATION CENTER WITH AMENITIESES, POOL, DOG PARK ALONG WITH BUILDINGS. THEY WILL HAVE A 30-FOOT BUFFER ALONG RADAR ROAD. AND THEY WILL RETAIN THE BUFFER [00:10:04] ALONG U.S. 17. STAFF HAS REVIEWED THE APPLICATION AND THAT DETERMINED REQUEST CONSISTENT WITH PLAN COMPLIES DRI AND COME PATABLE WITH THE SURROUNDING AREA. STAFF RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF APPLICATION PUD19-12. >> THANK YOU. >> AND MR. DALE SMITH IS HERE TO ADDRESS ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING RADAR ROAD AND THE APPLICANT HAS A SHORT POWERPOINT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SHOW YOU. >> IS ANYONE ON THE BOARD HAVE QUESTION FOR STAFF BEFORE WE MOVE TO APPLICANT? ALL RIGHT. WHO -- THE APPLICANT MISS FRASIER YOU HAVE THIS ONE. >> GOOD EVENING SUSAN FRASIER SLF CONSULTING 3517 PARK STREET. I UNDERSTAND TWO OF YOU ARE NEW THIS EVENING. I WILL DO A LITTLE HISTORY ON THIS PARTICULAR PARCEL. THIS PROMPT WITHIN THE CROSSING DEVELOPING OF REGIONAL IMPACT. THAT'S ALL THE DEVELOPMENT ON 220. EAGLE HARBOR. ESSENTIALLY THE CROSSING DRI. THIS IS ONE OF THE FEW REMAINING PARCELS THAT ARE UNDEVELOPED. IN 2016 THIS PARCEL WAS REZONED TO PUD AND IN THAT PUD IT ENTITLED THE PROPERTY FOR 180 MULTIFAMILY UNIT. ENTITLEMENTS ARE THERE FOR THE APARTMENTS THAT WE'RE PROPOSING TONIGHT. THE PUD IN 2016 IDENTIFIES ARCHITECTURAL STANDARD. IDENTIFY BUFFER STANDARDS. IT PRETTY WELL LAID OUT THE GAME PLAN. AND I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT WE HAD NEW PEOPLE TONIGHT. I WILL PASS THIS AROUND. THIS IS PUD SIGHT PLAN APPROVED IN 2016. AND SO ONCE YOU SEE IT. IF YOU WILL SHARE IT. YOU ONLY HAVE THE ONE. IT SETS UP THE BUFFER AND STANDARD. THERE'S A BIG WHITE BOX IN THE MIDDLE. WHEN WE CAME IN 2016 AND ASKED FOR THIS REZONING, WE HAD MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPER STANDING NEXT TO THE LAND OWNER. AND WE ARE SEEING WE ARE HERE WE HAVE SOMEONE THAT WANTS TO BUY THE PROPERTY AND MULTIFAMILY. AT THE LAST MINUTE THAT DEAL DIDN'T COME TO FRUITION. BUT THERE WAS A DESIRE BY THE LAND OWNER TO SAY THIS IS WHAT WE ARE PURSUING ON THIS PROPERTY. COUNTY AGREED THIS WAS A SUITABLE USE. THIS PROPERTY UNDER THE DRI CAN BE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL USE. OR KIT BE 180 APARTMENTS. AND SO THAT WAS IN 2016. NOW FOUR YEARS LATER WE HAVE ANOTHER DEVELOPER BRISTOL DEVELOPMENT COMPANIES HERE WITH ME TONIGHT. AND MR. GEORGE CARLISLE. HE'S THE DEVELOPER OF THE PROPERTY. UNTIL YOU HAVE A DEVELOPER YOU CAN'T PRODUCE SIGHT PLAN. THEY HAVE DIFFERENT BUILDING AND IDEAS ABOUT AMENITY. UNTIL YOU HAVE SOMEONE THAT WANTS TO BUILD THERE'S NOTHING TO SHARE. THE PLAN SAID WE WILL BE BACK. AND REQUIREMENT SAID YOU HAVE 18 0E APARTMENTS BEOUT HAVE TO COME BACK WITH THE PICTURE. AND THAT'S WHY WITH ARE HERE TONIGHT. SO THE PLAN TONIGHT IS REALLY TO POPULATE THAT WHITE BOX THAT YOU WILL SEE. AND SO THE PUD WHEN I PROVED IN 2016 HAD THE MAJORITY OF THE CONDITION THAT YOU SEE IN THE PERFECT UK TONIGHT. WHEN YOU ARE CONSIDERING IT TONIGHT AND IT SAYS, THAT ALL THE TEXT THAT IS LIKE ON PAGE 6 OF THE WRITTEN STATEMENT. PARCEL 37 WILL HAVE A MAXIMUM OF 180 MULTIFAMILY UNIT. THIS WAS APPROVED IN 2016. THE ONLY THING WE ASK YOU TO CONSIDER ARE CHANGES THAT ARE IN STRIKE AND UNDERLINE. SO WE'RE LOOKING AT SOME DETAILS THAT THIS PARTICULAR DEVELOPER HAS FOUND TO BE APPROPRIATE FOR HIS PRODUCT. IF YOU WERE HERE IN 2016 IT WASN'T EVEN THIS EASY. WHEN YOU COME TO THIS PROPERTY, CAN YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. THIS PROPERTY ABUTTS RADAR ROAD. RADAR ROAD IS NOT A ROAD. IT'S AN EASEMENT. IT'S A DRIVEWAY FOR GRACE CHURCH. IT'S ALSO A DRIVEWAY FOR THE BALL FIELDS TO THE WEST. BUT IT'S NOT A ROAD. IT'S NOT A RIGHT-OF-WAY. GRACE CHURCH OWNS THIS PROPERTY AND THIS PROPERTY THAT WE'RE CALLING ABOUT LIES IMMEDIATELY ABOUT NORTH OF THAT. WHEN THE ORIGINAL APARTMENT DEVELOPER CAME IN, IN 2016 AND DID A SITE PLAN, THE COMMUNITY THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE SAID THESE WILL BE THREE STORY BUILDINGS AND WE WILL SEE THEM FROM 17. THERE'S A BIG VIEW CORRIDOR. IT'S CLEAR THE CHURCH. IT'S CLEARED ON RADAR ROAD AND YOU WILL SEE THE BIG BUILDINGS. AND SO THE GOAL WAS TO PUT A BUFFER IN BETWEEN THE BUILDING THAT WERE PROPOSED THEN AND THE BUILDING THAT ARE PROPOSED TODAY. BACK IN 2016. THE SITE PLAN THEY HAD DEVELOPED DIDN'T ACCOMMODATE A BUFFER ON THE PROPERTY. [00:15:04] WHAT THIS IS CROSS SECTION AND WE'LL SHOW YOU WHY THIS IS AN ISSUE AND AN ISSUE BACK THEN. TO THE LEFT, IS RADAR ROAD. SO YOU SEE A LITTLE LINE THAT SAYS PAVEMENT OR THE EDGE OF PAVEMENT. THAT'S RADAR ROAD. THERE'S THEN AN AREA THAT'S AN EASEMENT AND AN OVERHEAD POWER LINE. WE CAN'T PLAN TREES IN THE EASEMENT FOR POWER LINE. YOU MOVE INTO THE PROPERTY THAT IS ACTUALLY THE SUBJECT OF PUD TONIGHT. THERE'S A DRAINAGE DITCH. THAT DRAINAGE DITCH DRAINS PROPERTY FROM EAST WEST PARKWAY AND COMES OUT TO 17. THERE ARE UNDERGROUND UTILI UTILITYINGS -- UTILITIES. THERE'S CIRCLE ON THE LINE. THOSE ARE CCA UTILITIES. WE CAN'T PLAN IN THE AREA WHERE THE OVERHEAD POWER LINE AND WE CAN'T PLAN WHERE THE UTILITIES ARE. BACK IN 2016 WE TOOK THAT WITH THE CHURCH. WOULD YOU MIND IF WE LANDSCAPES BETWEEN RADAR ROAD AND OUR BOUNDARY. IN ESSENCE DID ALL THE LANDSCAPING THE TREES AND BUFFER AND THE SHRUBS. BUT JUST SOUTH OF US AND THEY SAID THAT WOULD BE GREAT. LOOK GREAT. YOU MAINTAIN IT. WHY NOT. WE ACTUALLY AT THE TIME WE GOT THIS PUD APPROVED DID PUD AMENDMENT FOR THEIR PROPERTY. AND SAID YOU ARE ALLOWED TO HAVE THE BUFFER FOR THIS PROPERTY ON OUR PROPERTY. WE'RE THE OWN OWNER. WE WILL LET YOU DO THAT. THERE WAS ACTUALLY THIS PUD AND THIS PUD AND THEY WENT TOGETHER AND APPROVED. WE -- NOW I HAVE BRISTOL DEVELOPMENT COMES IN 2019 AND SAID WE'RE WANT TO BUILD IN THIS PROPERTY. AND WE BECOME AWARE OF THE FACT THAT COUNTY PURSUING MONEY TO EXTEND RADAR ROAD FROM U.S. 17 TO THE PARKWAY. SO RIGHT NOW RADAR ROAD GOES THROUGH TO THE BALL FIELDS BUT DOESN'T GO ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE PARKWAY. AND THE COUNTY WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT HAPPEN. COMMISSIONER FOR THIS DISTRICT IN SUPPORT OF THIS. AND YOU KNOW MR. SMITH IS HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. BUT THE COUNTY PURSUING THAT PARTICULAR EXTENSION. SO KNOWING THAT WE HAD BUFFER. IN THIS 1 # 100 FEET. WE HAD MEETING WITH DALE. I HAVE A PLAN FOR RADAR IF WE GET MONEY THIS IS WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO BILL. YOUR LANDSCAPE BUFFER IS IN THE WAY. I WANT TO PUT PAVEMENT. >> BUT WE ALREADY HAVE THAT APPROVAL. HE SAID I WANT TO BUILD A ROAD. YOU HAVE TO GET OUT OF MY WAIVE. WE WENT BACK TO BRISTOL DEVELOPMENT AND SAID YOU HAVE HAVE BUFFER. YOU CAN'T HAVE BUILDING SITTING ON BARE GROUND WITHOUT A BUFFER. AND SO THE SITE PLAN THAT YOU WILL CONSIDERING TONIGHT IF YOU GO BACK ONE ACTUALLY PLACES THAT BUFFER ON THE PROPERTY. WE ARE NO LONGER PROPOSING TO PUT A BUFFER ON THE CHURCH PROPERTY. WHEN YOU LOOK AT RADAR ROAD AT THE SOUTHERN END OF THE DRAWING. THE NEXT WHAT IS IT 30 FEET IS THAT UTILITY EASEMENT THAT I CAN'T PLANT IN. THERE'S A 30-FOOT BUFFER. WHAT WE DO ON THE CHURCH PROPERTY WE NOW DO ON OUR PROPERTY. AND THEN THE BUILDINGS START FROM THERE. THIS IS I BELIEVE A 70-FOOT SET BACK FROM SOUTHERN BOUNDARY TO THE FIRST BUILDING. SO WE HAVE MOVED THAT TO THE NORTH AND ON THE PROPERTY. THE PUD FOR THE PROPERTY TO THE SOUTH IS STILL IN PLACE. IT SAYS, YOU MAY. IT DOESN'T SAY YOU MUST. AND SO IF THIS BUYER ACTUALLY GOES THROUGH WE'LL COME BACK AND AND THAT PUD IN A COUPLE OF MONTHS WHEN ALL THAT GETS WORKED OUT. WE KNOW THAT'S COMING. WHEN WE PROPOSED TO PUT BUFFER ON THE RAID OOR ROAD PROPERTY. ON THE CHURCH PROPERTY WE HAD LANDSCAPING AND WE EXTENDED THE AND WE DID THAT BECAUSE WE WERE VERY GRATEFUL THAT BOTH THE COUNTY AND THE CHURCH WOULD ALLOW US TO MOVE THAT BUFFER OFF OUR PROPERTY. THAT WAS A BENEFIT TO US. IT ALLOWED US TO HAVE MORE LAND. BECAUSE WE MOVE THAT BUFFER OFF THE PROPERTY. BUT RADAR ROAD ISN'T A ROAD. AND SO THERE'S NO AN OBLIGATION TO BUILD A BIKE TRAIL OR SIDEWALK IN THIS LOCATION. WHEN WE NOW MOVE IT ON TO OUR PROPERTY WE ARE NOT PROPOSING TO BUILD A SIDEWALK ALONG RADAR ROAD. WHEN CLAY COUNTY DOES EXTEND RADAR ROAD IT WILL INCLUDE SIDEWALK AND CONTINUE TO THE PARKWAY. RIGHT NOW RADAR ROAD IS BIG DRIVEWAY. AND THERE'S NOT ANY TRAFFIC. DOESN'T GO ANYWHERE. ON SUNDAY MORNING YOU CAN GET RUN OVER. THERE'S A LOT OF CARS AT CHURCH. MOSTLY RADAR ROAD IS EMPTY. PEOPLE CAN WALK DOWN TO PARK AND ACTUALLY CAN WALK IMMEDIATELY NEXT DOOR TO THE LIBRARY. IF YOU LOOK AT THE DRAWINGS SEE THAT LITTLE TAIL THAT STICKS OUT ON THE LEFT, THE LITTLE AREA THAT SAYS LIBRARY THAT'S THE PARKING LOT FOR THE LIBRARY. IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO THIS PROPERTY. SO WE DO BRING A SIDEWALK FOR OUR RESIDENTS OUT INTO THE BIKE TRAIL TO THE EAST. [00:20:01] WE HAVE PROPOSED TO ELIMINATE AND IMPROVEMENT FOR PEDESTRIANS THAT IS NOT OUR PROPERTY. THAT'S THE CHURCH PROPERTY. THE APPLICANT AND THE OWNER DO NIGHT DOESN'T CONTROL THAT PROPERTY. SO WE HAVE THAT CHANGE THAT WE'RE ASKING YOU TO CONSIDER. WE'RE ASKING YOU ALSO TO CONSIDER FOUR-STORY APARTMENTS. WHEN WE CAME IN 2016, ALL THE BUILDING WERE THREE-STORIES. WHEN THE BUFFER MOVED ON TO THIS PROPERTY AND WE MET WITH THE COUNTY ABOUT PARKING STANDARDS, WHEN WE PUT ALL THE PIECES TOGETHER, WE NEED THREE FOUR-STORY BUILDING. THREE FOUR-STORY BUILDINGS PROPOSED. THEY ARE ALONG THE NORTHERN EDGE AT THE LAKE. ONE AT THE LAKE. ONE AT THE CONSERVATION EASEMENT. AND THE BUILDING ADJACENT TO 17 IS ALSO PROPOSED AS FOUR-STORY BUILDING AND THAT'S THE 180 UNITS THAT ARE PART OF THE PROJECT. THE PROPERTY WILL INCLUDE AN AMENITY CENTER. TYPICAL THAT YOU FIND IN APARTMENTS. 5,000 TO 8,000 SQUARE FEET, A POOL. KITCHEN AMENITIES AROUND THE POOL AREA. DOG PARK AND GROOMING STATION AS THAT IS ALL THE RAGE. AND SO THIS PROJECT IS FILLING IN THAT WHITE SPACE ON THE PUD SAID THAT YOU CAN HAVE APARTMENT. IN THE APPROVAL IN 2016 WE DID COMMIT TO ENHANCE THE LANDSCAPE BUFFER THAT IS THERE NOW. IF YOU LOOK AT THE DRAWING, THIS IS REALLY UNUSUAL THAT PIECE OF THE PROPERTY THAT GO ALL THE WAY OUT TO 17. NORMALLY THAT'S AN EASEMENT. BUT IN THIS PARTICULAR INSTANCE ON THIS PARCEL IT'S OWNED BY THE APARTMENT DEVELOPER. THAT BUFFER PRETTY SPARCE. YOU CAN SEE THROUGH IT. YOU CAN SEE THE CLEARED FIELD NOW. THE COMMITMENT TO ACTUALLY ENHANCE THAT AND MAKE IT OKAY TO TEN FEET. UNDER THIS PUD. AND THEN NORTH OF US IMMEDIATELY NORTH OF THAT NOTCH WE DON'T OWN THAT. THAT BUFFER PRETTY WELL UNDISTURBED. SO I THINK MR. CARLISLE WOULD LIKE TO SHOW YOU WITH THE ELEVATION. WE ALSO HAVE JACK HOLBERG FROM KINLEY HORN AND HE WOULD LIKE TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT ACCESS. WHEN WE MET WITH THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE OF CONCERN IN 2016 WAS ACCESS FROM THIS PROPERTY ON TO 17. OF CONCERN TO THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE WITH THIS DEVELOPER WAS ALSO THAT. BUT THIS DEVELOPER ACTUALLY MADE THE INVESTMENT IN PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER TO LOOK AT WHAT SAFETY FACTORS ARE THERE. WHAT ISSUES MIGHT BE THERE AND WE WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO PRESENT THAT TO YOU VERY QUICKLY. AND SO WE'LL HAVE -- WE'LL DO THE DANCING WITH THE PRETTY PICTURES AND THEN WE'LL TALK TRAFFIC. IS THAT GOOD? >> HOLD ON ONE SECOND. DOES ANYONE HAVE QUESTIONS FOR MISS FRASIER BEFORE WE MOVE ON? >> I ONLY HAVE ONE. AND IT'S ALWAYS MY LITTLE PET PEEVE IN THESE PROJECTS. WHERE ARE THE APARTMENT DWELLERS GOING TO PARK THEIR BOATS AND RV'S. >> MR. CARLISLE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT. >> OKAY. SURE. >> DID YOU WANT TO ASK SOMETHING? >> WHAT THE COUNTY PLANNING TO BUILD THAT EXTENSION FOR RADAR ROAD OUT. >> LET'S DO THIS. LET'S LET THE APPLICANT FINISH THEN I WILL ASK MR. SMITH TO COME UP AND ANSWER THOSE. >> THANK. I'M CHARLES CARLISLE. BRISTOL DEVELOPMENT GROUP THE NAME OF OUR COMPANY. WE'RE BASED IN NASHVILLE AND FRANKLIN, TENNESSEE IF YOU KNOW THE NASHVILLE AREA. JUST WE'RE EXCITED TO BE IN CLAY COUNTY. I'VE BEEN COMING TO JACKSONVILLE FOR THREE DECADES. AND WORKING IN THE DEVELOPMENT BUSINESS. BUT NEVER HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO COME DOWN HERE. WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT THIS. AND HOPE TO MAKE AN IMPACT EVERYBODY CAN BE PROUD OF IN FLEMING ISLAND. I THINK SUSAN HAS DONE A REALLY GOOD JOB OF EXPLAINING THE SITE PLAN. ONE THING I LIKE ABOUT IT UNLIKE A LOT OF THE DEVELOPMENTS THAT MULTIFAMILY LIKE THIS WERE DONE OVER THE PROCEEDING DECADES, WE'VE PUT THE LAKE OVER A CORNER OF THE PARCEL INSTEAD OF PUTTING IT IN THE MIDDLE AND BRINGING THE BUILDINGS AROUND IT. WHAT THAT DOES ALLOWS US TO MAKE ALL OF THE BUILDING WITHIN WALKING DISTANCE OF THAT CENTRAL AMENITY. WHICH IS NOT ONLY OUR LEASING AND ADMINISTRATION BUILDING BUT AVAILABLE TO RESIDENTS 24 HOURS A DAY. 7 DAYS A WEEK. THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT SIZE FITNESS CENTER IN THE MORNING THIS PLACE YOU CAN COME GET COFFEE. LOOKS A LITTLE BIT LIKE MINI STARBUCKS STORE WHICH FACILITATES SOMETHING CALLED COWORKINGS A BUZZ WORD THESE DAY. A FACILITY WHERE YOU CAN COME WATCH A BIG BALL GAME AND THERE'S A RAY OF HUGE TELEVISIONS SCREENS TO D THAT. WE GOT THE POOL AND OUTDOOR [00:25:05] KITCHENS AND REALLY IT'S VERY IMPORTANT PART OF THE COMMUNITY. AND I'M JUST IN CASE YOU ARE INTERESTED. I WILL MENTION. THERE'S ONE, TWO AND THREE-BEDROOM APARTMENTS RANGING FROM 700 SQUARE FEET UP TO 1300 SQUARE FEET. SO WE DO HAVE SOME ELEVATIONS. DO I NEED TO DO SOMETHING. >> THANK YOU. THIS IS THE AMENITY BUILDING. AND THE ARCHITECTURAL YOU WILL SEE THE SAME FOR ALL OF THESE. ARCHITECT IS FIRM BASED IN JACKSONVILLE. WE CAN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, WHICH IS THE THREE-STORY BUILDING. AND THESE BUILDINGS ALL OF THE APARTMENTS HAVE BALCONIES. THE ENTRANCES TO THE BUILDINGS ARE ON THE ENDS OF THE BUILDING ON THE SHORT FACE OF THE BUILDING WHICH ALLOWS UNBROKEN FACED ON THE LONGER ELEVATION OF THE BUILDING. AND THE FOUR-STORY BUILDING IS JUST ESSENTIALLY ADDING A LITTLE BIT OF DETAIL AND FLOOR TO THAT. IN TERMS OF TIMING WE COULD BE UNDER CONSTRUCTION. WE HOPE JUNE OR SO OF THIS YEAR. MAYBE BEFORE THAT. TAKES ABOUT 17 MONTHS TO BUILD A COMMUNITY LIKE THIS. AND I THINK SUSAN DID SUCH A GREAT JOB WITH THE REST OF THAT. THAT I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE. BUT I CAN'T THINK OF ANYTHING ELSE USEFUL. >> ARE YOU THE GENTLEMAN I SHOULD ASK ABOUT THE BOAT PARKING? >> YOU ARE. YOU DID ASK THAT. IT'S A GREAT QUESTION. IF YOU LOOK AT NEW APARTMENT COMMUNITY MOST OF THEM HAVE ZERO BOAT STORAGE AND THAT'S INTENTIONAL. WE DO NOT PERMIT BOAT STORAGE ON SITE. >> OKAY. >> DO ANY OF THE BUILDING HAVE ELEVATORS? >> ALL OF THEM. >> EVEN THE THREE-STORY BUILDING WHICH IS UNUSUAL. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? >> JUST ONE QUESTION. JUST CURIOSITY WHY DID YOU DECIDE TWO BUILDING THREE STORY AND THREE BUILDING AT FOUR STORY. THERE WAS AN EVOLUTION. WE HAD A GOOD RELATIONSHIP WITH THE COUNTY STAFF AND IT WAS A PROCESS OF WORKING THROUGH THEY HAD CONCERNS ABOUT OUR OWN INTERNAL ANALYSIS OF PARKING DEMAND AND WANTED US TO PROVIDE MOORPARKING SPACES THAN WE HAD. BECAUSE OF THE HAVING TO PUT THE BUFFER ON OUR PART OF THE PROPERTY LINE IT HAD REALLYING PINGED ON A SITE THAT WE WERE OUT OF LAND. WE COULDN'T ADD MOORPARKING SPACES WITHOUT ELIMINATING ONE BUILDING AND ONE THREE-STORY BUILDING AND REPLACING WITH FOUR-STORY BUILDINGS. INSTEAD OF SIX, THREE-STORY BUILDING THAT PUT TO FIVE. IT WAS GOOD SOLUTION. WE WERE ABLE TO ADD 13 PARKING SPACES. THAT MEANT THE CRITERIA OF COUNTY STAFF FELT APPROPRIATE AND WE'RE HAPPY TO WE ALWAYS WANT TO HAVE ADEQUATE PARKINGS. >> OKAY. THANK YOU. >> ONE OTHER THING BEFORE MR. HOLSBURG COMES UP. SUSAN MENTIONED THE ACCESS TO THE SITE. THERE ARE A NUMBER OF US IN OUR COMPANY THAT HAVE BEEN DOWN HERE TO LOOK AT IT. THEAYS COMES TO MIND IS OH, GOSH WITHOUT RADAR ROAD EXTENDED CAN WE GET OUT. ALL OF US HAVE COME DOWN TO EXPERIENCE IN THE MORNING. EXPERIENCE IT LATE IN THE DAY. WE INSIST WE NEEDED TO HIRE A CONSULTANT TO LOOK AT THAT FOR US. AS WE LEARN MORE WE'RE COMFORTABLE IT IS A -- THERE'S A SAFE WAY TO UTILIZE THAT INTERSECTION WITHOUT RADAR ROAD EXTENDED. AND I WILL MR. HOLSBURG EXPLAIN SOME OF THE REASONS WHY. IT'S AN IMPORTANT FACTOR FOR US IN CONSIDERING THE SITE. >> THANK YOU. THANK YOU. >> I PERFORM THE TRAFFIC STUDY FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT. WE RAN A TRIP GENERATION FOR THIS SITE BASED ON THE INSTITUTE OF TRANSPORTATION ENGINEERS TRIP GENERATION MANUAL WHICH IS BASED ON NATIONAL AVERAGES OF OTHER APARTMENT COMMUNITIES. WE EXPECT THERE TO PROBLEMS A LITTLE BIT 61 AND 71PBG POWER TRIP. WE ASSIGN THEM BASED ON THE NORTH FLORIDA TRANSPORTATION PLANNING AUTHORITIES REGIONAL TRANSPORTATION MODEL WHICH BASICALLY PREDICTS WHERE THE TRIPS WILL GO. AND AFTER WE ASSIGN THOSE TRIPS [00:30:02] AND COMBINED IT WITH THE EXISTING TRAFFIC VOLUME ON U.S. 17 AT THE INTERSECTION WITH RADAR ROAD. WE WENT OUT AND CONDUCTED AM AND PM PEEK HOUR SITE OBSERVATIONS. AND FROM THOSE OBSERVATIONS, IT WAS CLEAR THAT THE SIGNAL DIRECTLY TO THE NORTH OF THE SITE AT EAST-WEST PARKWAY AND THE SIGNAL TO THE SOUTH OF THE SITE ARE PROVIDING ADEQUATE GAPS FOR OUR TRAFFIC TO BE ABLE TO EXIT OUR SITE FOR THAT EASTBOUND LEFT TURN FROM RADAR ROAD ON TO U.S. 17 TO BE ABLE TO OCCUR. WE WERE SEEING GAPS OF 30 SECONDS. 40 SECONDS. I THINK WE SAW A GAP OF 45 SECONDS. EACH SIGNAL AND THE CYCLES ARE LONG OUT HERE. I THINK THE PM LENGTH IS 170 SECONDS. JUST SHY OF THREE MINUTES. I THINK IT MIGHT BE 1:40 OR 1:50 DURING THE PEEK HOUR. EACH CYCLE -- SIGNAL PSYCH FEDERAL THE ADJACENT SIGNAL WOULD ALLOW SEVERAL VEHICLES TO EXIT OUR SITE AND BE ABLE -- WE WOULD EXPECT THE CUES FROM RADAR ROAD TO BE MINIMAL AT OUR 95TH PERCENTILE CUE LENGTH FOR EASTBOUND MOVEMENT MAKING THE LEFT TURN WAS ONLY TWO VEHICLES. SO FROM A CAPACITY STANDPOINT WE BELIEVE THAT THE INTERSECTION THE TURN LANES IN PLACE THE NORTHBOUND LEFT-TURN LANE SOUTHBOUND TURN LANE AND THE TURN LANES TO GET OUT ON RADAR ROAD ARE SUFFICIENT, OR ADEQUATE TO ACCOMMODATE THIS DEVELOPMENT. COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO WE MET WITH THE FLEMING ISLAND ADVISORY COMMITTEE. AND IT SEEMED TO ME THAT I TRIED TO EXPLAIN OUR STUDY FROM A CAPACITY STANDPOINT. AND THAT WE BELIEVE WE'RE OKAY. WE'RE SUFFICIENT FROM A CAPACITY STANDPOINT BUT THEIR BIG CONCERN WAS ALSO SAFETY. WITH U.S. 17 BEING SPEED LIMIT 55 OUT HERE. THEIR CONCERNED WITH THAT EASTBOUND LEFT TURNING MOVEMENT CREATING CRASHES AT THE INTERSECTION. SO WE HEARD THEIR CONCERNS AND WE LOOKED INTO IT. WE CONDUCTED CRASH ANALYSES WE PULLED ALL THE CRASH DAD OLYMPIC FOR THE UNSIGNALIZED MEDIAN OPENINGS IN THIS AREA. ALL OF THE MEDIAN OPENINGS IN THE AREA ON 17 ARE FULL MEDIAN OPENINGS. MEANING THEY ALLOW THE SIDE STREETS TO MAKE THROUGH OR LEFT. WE LOOKED AT THE TWO MEDIAN OPENINGS JUST SOUTH OF THIS DEVELOPMENT. WE LOOKED ALTERNATE THIS MEDIAN OPEN THE INTERSECTION OF U.S. 17 RADAR ROAD. AND WE LOOKED AT THE NEXT INSIGNALIZED MEDIAN OPENING TO THE NOT. FROM OUR CONVERSATIONS WITH FDOT THEY WOULD CONSIDER A CRASH PROBLEM. THEY WOULD CONSIDER LIMITING ACCESS CHANGING IT FROM FULL ACCESS TO EITHER ADIRECTIONAL MEDIAN OPENING OR CLOSING THE MEDIAN OPENING ALL TOGETHER WHEN THEY HAVE FIVE CORRECTABLE CRASHES PER YEAR. ALTERNATE FOUR OF THOSE MEDIAN OPENING LESS THAN ONE CORRECTABLE CRASH PER YEAR. CORRECTABLE CRASH MEANING A CRASH THAT YOU WOULD EXPECT TO GO AWAY IF WE LIMITED THE ACCESS. CORRECTABLE CRASH MEANING A CRASH INVOLVING A SIDE STREET LEFT TURNING VEHICLE. THAT WOULD BE ADVISORY COMMITTEE THEY WANTED TO LOOK INTO LIMITING OUR DRIVEWAY YOU KNOW LIMITING THE RADAR ROAD MOVEMENT. LOOKING AT CRASHES CAUSED BY A SIDE STREET LEFT TURNING VEHICLE OR SIDE STREET THROUGH VEHICLE. >> LEGS THAN ONE YEAR ALL FOR INTERSECTION. WE DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S A CRASH PROBLEM. AND THEN ALSO THE OTHER REASON THAT D.O.T. WOULD CONSIDER LIMITING ACCESS WOULD BE IF MAYBE THE DEVELOPMENT WAS AT AN INTERSECTION THAT DIDN'T MEET SIGNAL SPACING BUT THE VOLUMES WERE CLOSE TO WARRANTING A SIGNAL. WE'VE REPORTED IN OUR STUDY THAT THIS DEVELOPMENT IS NOWHERE CLOSE TO MEETING A TRAFFIC SIGNAL WITH JUST OUR DEVELOPMENT. NOT CONSIDERING AN EXTENSION OF RADAR ROAD OR TO THE WEST. >> THAT'S ALL I GOT FOR YOU GUYS. QUESTIONS? >> GO AHEAD. >> THAT WILL BE SIDE; CORRECT? >> THAT WOULD BE RADAR ROAD. >> RADAR ROAD, YES. IT WILL BE AS YOU GO WEST FROM [00:35:04] U.S.-17 THERE'S A THROUGH LANE AND A SEPARATE RIGHT-TURN LANE TO GET INTO OUR SITE. AS YOU COME OUT OF THE PROPERTY AND HEAD EAST TOWARD U.S. 17 THERE'S ONE LEFT LANE TO TURN LEFT ON TO 17 AND ONE RIGHT LANE TO TURN RIGHT. >> THAT OPENS UP AT THE END. NOT THE ENTIRE WIDTH OF THE ROAD. WE LOOKED AT THAT CUE LENGTH. I HAVE IT DOCUMENTED WHAT THE LENGTH OF THAT RIGHT-TURN LANE IS. BUT BASICALLY WE DO NOT EXPECT THE CUE FROM THE LEFT TURN LANE TO BLOCK THE ENTRANCE TO RIGHT TURN LANE. >> DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA THAT ACCESS IS FROM 17 BACK? >> I BELIEVE THAT'S -- YOU GOT 220 FEET FROM DRIVEWAY TO STOP BAR. >> THANK YOU. THANK YOU. >> I WILL MAKE AN OBSERVATION. I GO OUT THAT ROAD EVERY MONTH. I KNOW YOU ARE AS WELL. THAT'S PRETTY HARRY. IF YOU TRY TO MAKE THAT LEFT COMING THROUGH THERE AND THEY ACCELERATE IN NORTH DIRECTION. IT'S TOUGH OUT THERE. THAT'S JUST A SMALL GROUP OF US. I KNOW YOU LOOKED AT IT. IT'S PRETTY ROUGH. AND I THINK YOU SAID THE NEXT NORTH ON IS DENMARK. THAT DATA NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT. WE HAD FATALITY UP THERE LAST YEAR. >> RIGHT. >> I THINK WE LOOKED AT I KNOW WE LOOKED AT DENMARK. I HAVE IT HERE. SINCE WE PULLED CRASHES SINCE ANY 1ST. 2015 UNTIL CURRENT. FIVE-PLUS YEAR OF CRASH DATA. AND DURING THE FIVE-PLUS YEARS THERE'S THREE CORRECTABLE CRASHES AT THAT INTERSECTION WITH DENMARK. WELL UNDER ONE A YEAR. .6 A YEAR IF YOU WANT TO AVERAGE IT OUT. >> I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION FOR YOU. JUST TO CLARIFY. YOUR STUDY DID NOT LOOK BEYOND YOUR APARTMENT COMPLEX. >> WE PROJECTED GROWTH ALONG U.S. 17. I'M TALKING ABOUT OFF OF RADAR ROAD. >> EXACTLY. WE'RE NOT ASKED TO LOOK AT THE EXTENSION OF RADAR ROAD TO THE WEST. TO CONNECT TO THE TOWN CENTER. OKAY. >> ARE YOU DONE? >> OKAY. >> THANK YOU. >> FOR NOW. >> WE MAY HAVE MORE QUESTIONS. MR. SMITH. >> DALE SMITH PUBLIC WORKS. IN 2017 WE WERE ASKED TO LOOK AT CONNECTION FOR RADAR ROAD WHICH RADAR ROAD 100 FOOT-WIDE EASEMENT THAT THE FEDERAL GOVERN GAVE TO THE COUNTY WHEN THEY GAVE US THE PARK. AND WHAT THEY ALSO DID WAS MY UNDERSTANDING THE PROPERTY TO THE EAST THEY ENDED UP GIVING TO PARCEL THE CHURCH ENDED UP BUYING. I HAVE 100-FOOT EASEMENT TO BUILD A ROAD INTO THE PARK. AND SO WE WERE ASKED TO LOOK AT IT. TO SEE IF WE COULD COME UP WITH CONCEPT. WE CAME UP WITH PROBABLY FIVE OR SIX BEFORE WE SETTLED ON ONE WE THOUGHT WOULD WORK FOR THE COMMUNITY. ONE OF OUR ALIGNMENTS TOOK IT THROUGH THE LIBRARY PARKING LOT. WE WILL RECONFIGURE THE LIBRARY PARKING LOT. WE REALLY DIDN'T WANT TO HIT THE A LITTLE BIT OF ROUNDABOUT THAT IS THERE. THE BEST ALIGN. WE COULD COME UP WITH COMING IN ALMOST RIGHT AT THE ROUNDABOUT. AND MAKING SOME OTHER CHANGES ON TOWN CENTER. IT'S NOT FUNDED RIGHT NOW. EVERY YEAR I PUT IT FOR GRANT WITH D.O.T. THEY WILL PAY HALF OF IT IF IT'S APPROVED THE FIRST YEAR. TYPICALLY PROJECTS DON'T GET APPROVED. SOMETIMES IT TAKES 2-4 YEARS. I CAN'T GIVE YOU A SPECIFIC TIME. D.O.T. IN THE PROCESS OF STUDYING 17 FROM WATER OAK TO THE DOCTOR'S LAKE BRIDGE. THE REASON THEY STUDY IT. THEY WILL COME IN AND DO A TRIPLE R WHICH IS RESURFACE OR RESTORE AND REHABILITATE. AND IT'S MORE THAN JUST A RESURFACING. THEY WILL COME IN AND DO INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS IN 220 AND EAGLE HARBOR AND WATER CREEK. AND I WILL ASK THEM TO ALSO LOOK AT RADAR ROAD. BECAUSE I LIKE FOR THEM TO PUT INTO THE MODEL TO LOOK AT THE TRAFFIC COMBING IN AND OUT. THAT'S SORT OF THE HISTORY OF RADAR ROAD. AS FAR AS THE SIDEWALK IS CONCERNED. I THINK WE GOT A PEOPLE GENERATOR WITH 189 APARLIAMENTS AND TWO REALLY GOOD PLACES FOR THEM TO GO. ONE THE LIBRARY. ONE THE HIGH SCHOOL. I PERSONALLY WOULD LIKE TO SEE THEM BUILD THE SIDEWALK AND MAKE A COMMITMENT TO TAKE IT FROM WHERE THEY ENDED ON THEIR PROPERTY. AND I WILL TAKE IT OUT TO TOWN CENTER. BECAUSE YOU SAY THERE'S NO ONE ON RADAR ROAD. GO THERE SATURDAY MORNING. GO THERE IN THE EVENING. PARKING LOT THE PACKED. [00:40:01] YOU HAVE PEOPLE DRIVING ALL OVER THE PRAISE AND WONDANDERING THRH THE PARKING LOT. >> ANY QUESTIONS? >> I DO, MR. CHAIRMAN, THANK YOU. YOU MENTIONED THE SATURDAY MORNING PARKING. FOR THE LOW CAST FIELD IF WHEN YOU TAKE INTO ACCOUNT HOW THE ROAD WILL GO BACK AND LET'S SAY IT TIES IN WITH ROUNDABOUT. WHAT WILL THAT DO TO PARKING FOR LACROSSE AREA? >> WE WERE GOING TO BUILD PARKING FOR THEM. YOU KNOW THEY WERE ACTUALLY I THINK END UP WITH BETTER POSITION. WE WERE GOING TO HUG THE NORTHER I WILL LINE. RIGHT NOW. WE'RE ONLY GOING TO PUT IN TWO-LANE ROAD. >> THIS YOU CAN LOOK AT ME AND LAUGH. IS THERE ANY WAY YOU COULD ANTICIPATE THE PRIORITY OF THIS ROAD IN THE COUNTY'S PECKING ORDER AS FAR AS EVEN IF THE STATE PUTS IN THIS FUNDING WHERE THAT WOULD FALL IN A PRIORITY? >> WELL, IF I WIN AN AWARD FROM THE STATE I HAVE TO MATCH IT 50%. IT WOULD COME VERY HIGH UP ON THE ORDER. BECAUSE NOW I'M GETTING A ROAD HALF THE COST TO THE CLAY COUNTY TAX PAYERS. >> OKAY. THANK YOU. >> ANYTHING ELSE? >> MY ONLY QUESTION WOULD BE WOULD THE COUNTY LOOK AT RADAR ROAD WITHOUT CONNECTING TO THE CONNECTING IN FLEMING ISLAND. I'M NOT SURE WHY YOU WANT TO AVOID THE ROUNDABOUT. AS SOON AS THAT CONNECTS THROUGH THE WHOLE TRAFFIC CHANGES. IT DOES CHANGE. I COULD CHANGE A LOT FOR THE BETTER. COULD CHANGE THE INTERSECTION OF TOWN CENTER AND VILLAGE PARKWAY. A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE QUESTIONING NORTH WOULD PROBABLY THEN GO DOWN RADAR ROAD. IT WOULD ALSO TAKE PEOPLE AWAY FROM THE INTERSECTION OF TOWN CENTER AND 220. ASK THEM TO INCLUDE THAT IN THEIR TRAFFIC MODEL AND SEE WHAT THE RESULTS WOULD BE. >> ONE FOLLOW UP QUESTION TO THAT. MR. SMITH, IF YOU TIE INTO THE ROUNDABOUT, I LOOK AT THAT AS NOT A REAL PROPER ROUNDABOUT. THAT, THAT BE REDESIGNED. I WILL DO AWAY. AND GET ANOTHER ENTRANCE. IT'S NOT A ROUNDABOUT. IT'S OVAL AND GROOIFS TERRIBLE. IT WASN'T BUILD AS ROUNDABOUT. THERE'S A DRIVE WAY COMING OFF. IT'S A FEATURE FOR THE DEVELOPMENT. IT'S NOT A GOOD ROUNDABOUT. >> THANK YOU. I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. I HAVE A FEW CARDS ON THIS ONE. LET ME OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. AND THE CITIZEN ADVISORY COMMITTEE FOR MREM -- FLEMING ISLAND HERE. >> YES, SIR. >> YOU ARE UP. >> PETE DAVIS CHAIRMAN OF THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE. I MIGHT ADD WE'RE THE ONLY ACTIVE CLAY COUNTY ADVISORY COMMITTEE IN EXISTENCE TODAY. ALL THE OTHERS I GUESS HAVE RETIRED OR EXPIRED OR WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE. >> WE MET WITH THE APPLICANT. WE ALSO MET APPLICANT BACK IN 2016 THE FIRST TIME FOR THIS PARCEL OF LAND. I GOT TO ADMIT THE DESIGN OF THE ONE THAT WAS PRESENTED IN 2016 THIS ONE IS A SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENT. IF YOU REMEMBER I DON'T KNOW WHETHER YOU REMEMBER OR NOT. BUT THE FIRST DESIGN BEGINNING TO WONDER SANTORUM OR HOUSING UNIT. BUT THIS ONE IS VERY USER FRIENDLY. AS IN 2016. OUR CONCERN IS ACCESS. ACCESS. I'VE READ THE STUDY. THE TRAFFIC STUDY AND ALL THAT STUFF. I AGREE WITH WHAT HE SAYS LOOKS GOOD ON PAPER. BUT UNTIL YOU GET OUT THERE A SWIMMING WITH SHARKS YOU WILL FEEL REAL IMPACT OF IT. THE SPEED LIMIT OUT THERE NOT 5. IT'S 50. YOU GET TO FBI AROUND HYBERNIA. NOT THAT MAKES DIFFERENCE TO PEOPLE DRIVING. IF YOU ARE DOING 50 YOU MIGHT AS WELL PARK. YOU WILL GET RUN OVER. THE OTHER THING, TOO, IS THE TO IT BUT THAT PLACE IS A JAM UP BUSY. ON WEEKEND AND SUMMER MONTHS. YOU GOT LACROSSE. YOU'VE GOT POP WARNER. YOU'VE GOT INNER MURAL SPORTS GOING ON. THE PARKING ON THAT SEND JAMMED UP TO POINT WHERE THEY OVERFLOW INTO THE LIBRARY PARKING LOT. WHICH SOMETHING PEOPLE NEED TO LOOK NOT JUST EARLY IN THE MORNING DURING WEEKDAY PERIOD. WHAT'S GOING ON.END TO SEE - I AM ENCOURAGED WE'RE WORKING ON [00:45:01] TRYING TO GET THE ROAD ATTACHED. I HAVE NO IDEA IT WASN'T DONE TO BEGIN WITH. I'M SURE THERE'S SOME VALUAD REASONS FOR THAT. BUT THIS IS NOT SAFE INTERSECTION AS IT IS NOW IN MY OPINION. AND IT JUST NEED TO BE DONE. ANYONE CAN GET THE PRIORITY OF THIS THING MOVED UP SOONER THE BETTER. WE DON'T HAVE ARMEDDATION. THIS WAS JUST PRESENTED AS DESIGN AND SHARE THOUGHTS. THAT'S THE COMMITTEE'S THOUGHTS. DON'T ASK 185 HOUSING UNIT. THAT'S WHAT YOU ARE BUILDING THERE TO HAVE ONLY THAT ONE SINGLE ACCESS ISLAND 17 WHERE THERE'S 6 LANES OF TRAFFIC TO DEAL WITH. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> I HAVE A CARD FROM MR. JOHN O'CONNOR. >> SINCE YOU ARE UP. YOU ARE NEXT. I'M DAVIS GARMIS. AN OFFICER OF GRACE CHURCH. I'M HERE SPOKESPERSON FOR GRACE. WE'RE VERY MUCH IN FAVOR OF THIS DEVELOPMENT. WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE HOUSING UNITS THERE. AND I THINK WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT TRAFFIC AND SO ON. IF THERE WERE COMMERCIAL STORES TERE AND SO ON THERE WOULD BE MORE PROBLEMS WITH TRAFFIC IN AND OUT ALL DAY LONG. TOGETHER WITH THE HOUSING UNITS THE INGRESS AND EGRESS TYPICAL WORK OPPOSITE FROM PEOPLE COMING TO CHURCH TO WORK IN A DAY. PEOPLE BE LEAVING FROM THE APARTMENT UNITS IN THE SAME THING IN THE EVENING. WE EXPERIENCE A LOT OF TRAFFIC PROBLEMS. ONE OF THE BIG THINGS WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE IS RADAR ROAD DEVELOPED AND CONTINUED DOWN TO TOWN CENTER BOULEVARD. SO THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE STRONGLY ENDORSED. WE OBVIOUSLY HAVE IN THE MORNING OUR 9:00 AND 11:00 SERVICE HAVE ABOUT 300 PEOPLE THAT LEAVE. FORTUNATELY THE LIBRARY HAS ALLOWED US TO EXIT THROUGH THEIR PARKING LOT ON WE HAVE A KEY TO THEIR GATE THERE AND SO WE CAN STEER SOME OF OUR PEOPLE TO EXIT THAT WAY. OBVIOUSLY A RADAR ROAD WAS THERE. THAT WOULD ENABLE PEOPLE TO EXIT TO THE LEFT OUT OF OUR PARKING LOT INSTEAD OF THE RIGHT. I AGREE THAT THERE'S A LOT OF PROBLEMS WITH POTENTIAL FOR ACCIDENTS. AND THERE'S ALSO THE POTENTIAL IN THAT BIKE WAY IN WE HAVE A DOUBLE STOP SIGN COMING OUT OF THE CHURCH OR COMING OUT OF THE HOUSING UNTLIT. -- UNIT THERE. THERE'S A STOP SIGN FOR THE -- THERE'S ANOTHER STOP SIGN I'M CONCERNED ABOUT PEOPLE RIDING A BICYCLE. BECAUSE THEY DON'T PAY ATTENTION TO CARS COMING AND SO ON. THAT'S ANOTHER ISSUE THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE RADAR ROAD AND GIVE PEOPLE AN OPPORTUNITY TO EXIT IN TWO DIFFERENT WAYS. THE CHURCH STRONGLY ENDORSES THE PROJECT. WE GRANTED EASEMENT IN THE 2016 PLAN AND WE GRANTED AN EASEMENT IN THIS CASE WHERE LIKE I SAID VERY STRONGLY IN FAVOR. >> THANK YOU, SIR. >> I HAVE A CARD FROM MMR. JOHN O'CONNOR. I WOULD LIKE TO EXTEND MY TIME IF I MAY. I'M HERE ON TWO DIFFERENT PARTIES. ONE THE HOA FOR TOWN CENTER. SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF THEM. AS AS MYSELF PERSONALLY. TOWN CENTER HOA REVIEWED THE PLANS SUBMITTED BY BRISTOL. WE'VE PRELIMINARY APPROVED THE ARCHITECTURAL DRAWING. WE WEREN'T MADE AWARE UNTIL THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE HEARING THAT FOUR STORY HAVE BEEN GRANTED. BUT EAST WEST PARTNER BACK IN 2016 GAVE WAIVER TO ALLOW FOUR-STORY BUILDING IN THAT AREA. AT THAT PARTICULAR POINT YOU DON'T SEE OBJECTION TO IT. BECAUSE IT'S BUFFERED ALL BY WETLAND AND EVERYTHING ELSE. THE ONLY PERSON WILL BE EFFECTED BY IT THE CHURCH. AND THE PLAYGROUND. WEAR NOT OBJECTING TO FOUR STORY PLAYGROUND OR 180 UNIT. AS FAR AS THE PROJECT GO WE'RE IN FAVOR OF IT. WE GAVE THEM OUR BLESSING ON IT AND STILL SUBJECT TO FINAL APPROVE. FINAL PLAN SPECIFICATION AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. WE THINK IT WOULD BE A GOOD ADDITION TO THE COMMUNITY. WE DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THAT. FROM A PERSONAL STANDPOINT. I HAVE MAJOR ISSUES WITH THE TRAFFIC SITUATION. [00:50:03] I WAS THERE THIS AFTERNOON AT 4:00. IT TOOK ME APPROXIMATELY FOUR MINUTES TO MAKE A LEFT-HAND TURN OUT OF RADAR ROAD TO GO NORTH ON 17. I FOUND MYSELF IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD IN TURN LANE THAT TURNS LEFT INTO PINE FOREST. INTO PINE FOREST. I DIDN'T KNOW IT WAS THERE. THERE WAS NOTHING BUT A STEADY STREAM OF TRAFFIC. THERE IS A TRAFFIC ISSUE THERE. I REQUESTED THE DEVELOPER TO CONSIDER PUTTING RIGHT TURN LANE GOINGOUT. IF YOU FORCE TRAFFIC TO GO SOUTH THEN YOU HAVE THREE TURNING POINTS WHERE THEY CAN MAKE A LEGAL U-TURN. THEY CAN MAKE U-TURN AND HEAD NORTH. GO TO VILLAGE SQUARE. WE HAVE PROTECTED LEFT-HAND TURN. PM TRAFFIC IS NOT AN ISSUE. BUT 61 CARS WHEN YOU 300 PLUS PARKING SPACES AND 185 APART. I DON'T KNOW APARTMENT THAT ONE CAR. THERE'S TWO CARS. THAT'S 3 # 0 IF I COUNT CORRECTLY. FAILING THAT I TALK TO DALE SMITH. AND HE INFORMED ME THERE WAS NOT THE COUNTY COULD DO THE D.O.T. ISSUE. AND D.O.T. SHOULD BE ADDRESSED WITH THAT CONCERN. AND LET THEM LOOK AT IT. >> WITH NOTHING HAPPENING TO THAT. I DON'T KNOW WHAT DALES BUDGET. FOR RADAR ROAD EXTENSION WAS 3 MILLION DOLLARS. IS THAT CORRECT? >> WE TALK ABOUT COST OF 3 # MILLION DOLLARS TO EXTEND RADAR ROAD INTO TOWN CENTER. THE THING I SEE IS THUNDER BOLT ELEMENTARY SCHOOL AND EAGLE HARBOR HIGH SCHOOL. THOSE KIDS THIS AFTERNOON THERE WAS SKIEF CAR PARKED AT THE I CAN'T THINK -- IT'S NOT QUASH. LACROSSE. THEY DIDN'T HAVE LACROSSE WHEN I GREW UP. THEY 65 CARS WERE PARKED ALONG THAT DIRT ROAD WAITING FOR THEIR KIDS TO FINISH LOW CRASS PRACTICE. THEN I LOOK WHERE DO YOU TIE THE SIDEWALK IN. DALE SUGGESTED THE LIBRARY. THAT DOESN'T GO ANYWHERE. THAT SIDEWALK WAS THERE. IT'S ONLY ALLOWRD FOR PEOPLE WORKING AT THE LIBRARY. THEY GOT THAT PADLOCKED. BUT IT WAS SO FUNNY AS I WATCHED AND LOOK HALF THE PEOPLE COMING ACROSS THE WALKWAY WERE GOING TO THEIR CARS FOR THEIR COMING FROM THE LACROSSE FIELD TO THEIR PARKED CARS IN THE LIBRARY. BECAUSE NOW THEY PARK IN THE LIBRARY PARKING LOT. BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT TO DRIVE RADAR ROAD BECAUSE IT'S A DIRT ROAD. IT'S ALREADY BEING UTILIZED. I THINK IT'S WONDERFUL. THAT WE COULD CONNECT IT. EAGLE HARBOR EAST WEST PARTNERS AND CENTEX PROPOSED TO CONNECT THE ROAD IN THE BEGINNING. WE WERE DENIED THAT OPPORTUNITY TO DO SO. THEY WAS A BIG MISTAKE. COME BACK TO HAUNT OUT. BUT IF A SIDEWALK IS PUT IN IT WOULD MAKE ME FEEL GOOD. I CAN BE PUT IN. IF THE COUNTY COMMISSION DICTATES IT IF YOU RECOMMEND IT,THE ADDED TO THEIR REQUIREMENTS IT CAN BE CONNECTED TO TOWN CENTER SIDEWALK THAT IS ON THE EAST SIDE AND I SAW THAT SIDEWALK THERE THIS AFTERNOON AS FAR AS YOU GO TO THE SOUTH AROUND THE ROUNDABOUT OR OVAL THERE'S A CROSSWALK THAT TAKES YOU TO OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE ROAD TO THE OTHER CROSSWALK. THE OTHER SIDEWALK. CHILDREN WOULD BE ABLE TO GET TO THE THUNDER BOLT ELEMENTARY SCHOOL AND HIGH SCHOOL. THEY WILL CUT THROUGH THE WOODS. THEY DID TODAY. THEY WILL GET RUN OR. AND SOMEONE WILL GET HURT. AND SENSE OF PUBLIC SAFETY. WE REALLY NEED TO LOOK AT THIS SIDEWALK. I UNDERSTAND AS PART OF DALE'S PLAN TO PUT A SIDEWALK WITH ROAD CONSTRUCTION. WE HAVE NO IDEA WHEN THAT WILL HAPPEN. IT COULD BE FIVE YEARS FROM NOW. THERE ARE A LOT OF PROJECT THAT NEED TO BE FUNDED. 3 MILLION IS A LOT OF MONEY. WHERE THAT FITS IN CLAY COUNTY ARE SCHEDULED. LOOK AT RECOMMENDING TO COUNTY SIDEWALK BEING INCLUDED IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS PROJECT. IT'S I THINK YOU WILL ALL BE HAPPY YOU DID SO. IF WE DON'T DO ANYTHING TO 17 WE [00:55:01] AT LEAST NEED THE SIDEWALK FOR THE CHILDREN. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. I JUST LIKE TO IS THERE ANYONE WHO WANTS TO SPEAK ON THIS? >> YOU DO. >> GIVE ME ONE SECOND. SUSAN, HOLD ON. WE GOT SOMEONE ELSE. I WANTED TO FOLLOW UP WITH MR. O'CONNOR'S COMMENT. BECAUSE I DON'T THINK HE'S BEEN RECOGNIZED FOR SOME OF THE WORK HE DID. HE BUILT -- IS IT STORAGE UNITS THERE ON THE STORAGE UNITS AND THERE'S A CONSERVATION PIECE OF CON SEVERAL VAIGS PROPERTY. I SAID WE WILL NEVER HAVE A SIDEWALK BECAUSE THE COUNTY WILL NEVER BUILD IT. AND HE BUILT IT FOR THE COUNTY ACROSS THAT CONSERVATION SO THERE'S CONTINUOUS SIDEWALK THERE. I DON'T THINK IT'S OUTRAGEOUS THAT YOU ASK ANOTHER DEVELOPER TO THROW A SIDEWALK IN. YES, MA'AM. COME ON UP. >> NAME AND ADDRESS. MY NAME THE BETH LYNCH. I LIVE ACROSS THE STREET FROM WHERE YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. AND SIT MORE THAT JUST A VACANT LOT, OBVIOUSLY. I WAS WONDERING WHAT DID YOU PERFORM ANY SURVEYS ABOUT THE ECOLOGICAL IMPACT THAT WOULD BE HAPPENING WITH THE WILDLIFE OR BESIDES JUST TRAFFIC? ANYBODY. >> I DIDN'T THINK SO. >> WE'LL ASK MISS FRASIER TO ADDRESS THAT WHEN SHE COMES BACK UP. AND I LOVE TO KNOW WHAT HAS BEEN FOUND IN THE SURVEYS AND ALL THIS CONVERSATION LEADS US CONCLUSION WE HAVE PROBLEMS WITH CROWDING, PARKING TRAFFIC, SAFETY ISSUES THAT WE ALL LIVE IN THE COMMUNITY AND OUR SCHOOL-AGED CHILDREN WILL BE SO EFFECTED LIKE THE GENTLEMAN WAS SAYING ABOUT PACKED LACROSSE FIELDS FOR PEOPLE JUST WAITING TO PICK UP THEIR CHILDREN. IT SOUNDS SO CONVENIENT THE DATA THERE SO FAVORABLE TO DEVELOPER WHOSE ARE FROM OUT OF TOWN. YOU SAY THERE WOULD BE LESS THAN ONE CRASH PER YEAR. THIS IS BEFORE YOU ADD THE 180 FAMILY DEVELOPMENTS AND APPROXIMATELY 400 CARS. EACH PLACE HASS AT LEAST TWO. THEY HAVE CHILDREN. TEENAGERS DRIVE TWO. AND IT'S A SICK JOKE TO IMAGINE THERE WOULD BE NO NEGATIVE IMPACT. EVERYBODY WILL FIT IN THERE AND THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE ANY NEGATIVE IMPACT. IT'S MAKING ME SICK. WE NEED MORE SCHOOLS. THEY CAN'T JUST FIT WHERE WE HAVE THE SCHOOLS. >> WE CAN GET THAT BANSWERED TO. >> THANK YOU. AND I HAVE MORE REGARDING THE NEXT THE BIG DEVELOPMENT IN LAKE ASBURY. I WILL WAIT FOR THE NEXT PARK. >> ANYONE ELSE? >> I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. BEFORE YOU GO MR. FRASIER. JAMES CAN YOU ADDRESS WHERE THE KIDS WOULD GO TO SCHOOL. >> YES. THEY WOULD BE GOING TO THUNDER BOLT. I LOOKED AT THIS STUDENT GENERATION AND REALLY ONLY GENERATED ABOUT SIX ELEMENTARY KIDS WITH THE STUDENT GENERATION RATE. THERE'S PLENTY OF ROOM AND THUNDER BOLT. >> HIGH SCHOOL WOULD BE FLEMING THAT WOULD BE THREE STUDENTS IT WOULD GENERATE ACCORDING TO STATISTICS. . >> THANK YOU. THOSE KIDS IN THAT AREA STILL GO ALL THE WAY AROUND TO LAKESIDE OR WHATEVER FOR JUNIOR HIGH? THAT GO TO GREENCO JUNIOR. >> DOW YOU WANT TO RESPOND? >> FOR EVERYONE TO UNDERSTAND THIS ALMOST THE LAST PIECE OF VACANT LAND IN WHAT'S CALLED THE CROSSINGS DRI. THE CROSSINGSES APPROVED IN 1988 AS DEVELOPMENT OF REGIONAL IMPACT. SO NORTH OF 220 IS THE CROSSINGS. SOUTH OF THIS PROPERTY IS THE PLANTATION. BOTH DRI'S. WHEN THEY DID THESE APPROVAL IN 1988 THEY HAD TO DO ENVIRONMENT ASSESSMENT FOR SPECIES. THEY HAD TO DO SURVEYS. THE DOCUMENT FOR DRI AND ED WAS THE DRI REVIEWER AT THE REGIONAL COUNSEL BACK THEN. THESE BOOKS ARE THERE. THIS DEVELOPMENT WHILE IT IS A PIECE OF PROPERTY, SIT APPROVED UNDER THIS HUGE PUD. WE ARE A PU IN 25 ACRE. IT'S EVERYTHING TO LAKE SHORE. IT'S EVERYTHING TO COMMERCIAL. EVERYTHING ON THE OTHER SIDE OF 17. ALL THE WAY DOWN TO PUBLIX. IS THIS APPROVAL. THEY HAD TO LOOK AT ENDANGERED SPECIES. HAD TO LOOK AT ENDANGERED PLANTS TEN TIMES BEYOND WHAT YOU WOULD LOOK OUTSIDE OF DRI. THE DRI RULES SAID IF YOU WILL BE BIG. YOU WILL BE A REGIONAL IMPACT AND TELL US ABOUT EVERYTHING. IT HAS TO PASS THAT TEST. AND THIS PROJECT DID PASS THIS TEST. PART OF THAT AN ASSESSMENT OF [01:00:02] TRAFFIC IMPACTS GENERATED BY ALL THE HOUSES IN THE CROSSING AND ALL THE COMMERCIALS. ALL THE COMMERCIAL IN MR. O'CONNOR HAS BUILT IS PART OF THE DRI. IT GENERATES ALL THAT TRAFFIC ON 220 AND 17. THIS PROJECT CONTRIBUTED OVER 17 MILLION DOLLARS TO ROAD IMPROVEMENTS ON U.S. 17 AND COUNTY ROAD 220. THE IMPACT OF THIS DEVELOPMENTS V HAVE BEEN MITIGATED BY THE MASTER DEVELOPER WITH A 17-PLUS MILLION DOLLAR OBLIGATION THAT WAS PAID AND THEY STARTED MAKING IMPROVEMENT I WAS PLANNING DIRECTOR BACK IN THE MID 90S AND THEY COMPLETED THEM BY THE END OF THE 90S. THE WIDENING OF U.S. 17 TO SIX LANE DONE BY THIS PROJECT. WIDENING OF 220 DONE BY THIS PROJECT. THIS LAST LITTLE PIECE. REALLY PROBABLY FIVE PIECES OF PROPERTY IN THIS WHOLE DRI THAT'S LEFT. PART OF THAT IDENTIFY ALL OF THE STUDENTS THAT WILL BE GENERATED BY THE MANY THOUSANDS OF HOUSES IN THIS COMMUNITY. AND THIS DEVELOPMENT DONATED LAND TO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT FOR THAT. AND SO THE HIGH SCHOOL, AND THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL ARE LAND DONATED BY THIS DEVELOPER FOR THE IMPACTS OF THIS DEVELOPMENT. AND SO THIS IS ALL APPROVED PREAPPROVED AND PREMITIGATED. I OWN LAND I WANT TO PUT HOUSES ON IT. THE DEVELOPMENT ORDER APPROVED I'M SORRY I DON'T REMEMBER. LET'S SAY 1800 HOUSES. THE LAND HAS BEEN DEVELOPED. AND IT'S BEEN DEVELOPED AS YOULY IN THE COMMUNITIES. AND THERE ARE EACH DEVELOPMENT IS APPROVED THAT NUMBER GOES DOWN. YOU HAD 1800. NOW 1600. NOW YOU HAVE 1200. THEN 1,000. THAT LIST OF AVAILABLE UNITS GOES DOWN. THIS PROMPT WAS ORIGINALLY ENTITLED FOR LIGHT INDUSTRIAL USE IN DEVELOPMENT ORDER. THE DEVELOPMENT ORDER SAYS YOU CAN CONVERT THIS WE DID THIS IN 2016 FROM LIGHT INDUSTRIAL TO MULTIFAMILY. YOU APPROVE AND THE BOARD APPROVED THAT CONVERSION. YOU APPROVED THIS PUD THAT SAID IT COULD BE 180 HOUSE. THE 180 PART THE APPROVED. THAT'S COMPLETE I WILL APPROVED. WHAT WE ARE ASKING IS THIS SIDE PLAN SITABLE AND DRIVEWAY SUITABLE. BUT IT'S ENTITLE FOR 180 HOUSE. ALL THAT HAS OCCURRED. AS MR. S TOA INDICATED THE GENERATION RATE FOR STUDENTS IN MULTIFAMILY IS I HATE IT. SIX ELEMENARY STUDENTS IN 180 APARTMENTS. AND THAT'S GENERAL COUNTY NUMBER. THAT'S A GENERAL COUNTY NUMBER FOR AVERAGES ON ALL THE APARTMENTS THAT THE SCHOOL DISTRICT HAS IN CLAY COUNTY. IT'S INVENTORY. THIS PROJECT UNIQUE AND MR. CARLISLE CAN TELL YOU HOW MANY PROJECT HE HAS AND HOW DIFFERENT THIS IS. 60% ONE BEDROOM APARTMENTS. THAT'S REALLY UNDERHEARD OF. HE CAN TELL YOU MARKET IS OVER 50. EMPTY NESTERS. AND SINGLE. ONE BEDROOM APARTMENT. ACTUALLY THIS NUMBER WHICH IS MORE AVERAGE CLAY COUNTY FAMILY APARTMENT RATE IS PROBABLY HIGH. BUT IT IS WHAT IT IS. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SIX ELEMENTARY AND THREE HIGH SCHOOL. THEY GAY THE LAND FOR HIGH SCHOOL AND LAND FOR ELEMENTARY SCHOOL. AND SO JUST SAYING THIS IS NOT AN INDEPENDENT HIGH LIKE TO BUILD SOMETHING. THIS PART OF BIG PUZZLE CALLED THE CROSSING. QUALITY IS THE CROSSINGS. AND SO THE DILEMMA FOR US ABOUT THE SIDEWALK IS ITS LOCATION. WE DON'T OWN THE CHURCH LAND. WE CAN'T SAY WE WILL BUILD A SIDEWALK ON THE CHURCH LAND. WE DON'T OWN IT. IF YOU GO BACK TO THE CROSS SECTION. FOR US WE'VE GOT A DITCH. BETWEEN US AND -- THAT WE OWN. AND SO TO PUT A PUBLIC SIDEWALK OUTSIDE THE RIGHT-OF-WAY ON OUR PRIVATE PROPERTY; RIGHT? IF THE COUNTY EXTENDS RADAR ROAD AND PUBLIC ROAD AND THEY BUILD A SIDEWALK. EVERYBODY WALKING ON PUBLIC LAND. THE LIABILITY FOR SOMEONE GETTING HURT OR TRAVERSING THAT SIDEWALK IN THE PUBLIC INDEMITY. IF YOU PUT IT ON MY PROPERTY. MY PRIVATE PROPERTY AND SOMEONE TRIPS AND FALLS THEY SUE ME. IT'S NOT A PUBLIC SIDEWALK. IT'S A PUBLIC WAY ON PRIVATE LANN. OUR DILEMMA IS WHEN THE COUNTY DOES SOMETHING TO RADAR ROAD IT WILL CREATE A PUBLIC OF RIGHT WAY. AND ACCESS AND ALL THAT INFRASTRUCTURE THAT GOES WITH THE ROAD. AND FOR PUBLIC ACCESS BELONGS IN A PUBLIC RIGHT-OF-WAY. THE DILEMMA FOR US WE DON'T OWN RADAR ROAD. A OUR CHURCH DOES. THEY ARE HERE. [01:05:01] AND WE DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO PUT A SIDEWALK ON OUR PRIVATE PROPERTY. IT'S NOT THAT WE DON'T WANT TO BUILD A SIDEWALK. IT'S DOESN'T FIT IN THIS PUZZLE. I WE FRONT IT ON A PUBLIC ROAD THEN WE WOULD HAVE THAT OBLIGATION. WE FRONT ON A DRIVEWAY. RADAR ROAD IS REALLY A DRIVEWAY. EVEN THOUGH WE CALL IT A ROAD. WE HAVE NO PROBLEM TALKING TO THE COUNTY AND TALKING TO DALE AND FIGURING OUT IF THERE'S A SIDEWALK THAT FITS IN THEIR PLANS AND OUR PLANS AND PUTTING THE CHURCH IN THE ROOM. IT COULD BE THREADED WITHOUT SOMEONE WITH TREMENDOUS LIABILITY. THAT MAY BE WHERE IT ENDS UP. WE DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN DO THAT TONIGHT. WE HEAR THE REQUEST FOR THE CONNECTION. AND OUR SIX STUDENTS ARE NOT REALLY GOING TO GENERATE THE SIDEWALK DEMAND. WE KNOW THERE'S A GREAT PUBLIC DEMAND FOR THAT SIDEWALK. AND SO IF THAT IS YOUR PLEASURE TO TALK ABOUT SIDEWALKS TO MAR CARLISLE CAN WORK WITH TENNING NEARING DEPARTMENT TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THEY WILL BUILD AND WHEN THEY WILL BUILD IT AND HOW SIDEWALKS WORK INTO THAT PICTURE. >> THANK YOU. DO YOU WANT TO SECOND. >> I'M NOT SURE SUSAN MENTIONED THIS. BUT WE ARE BIG ADVOCATE OF WALKABILITY. AND IT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE ALWAYS LOOK AT. IN THE FIRST ITERAION OF PLAN WE HAD A SIDEWALK IN 2016PUD. WHERE ITS GOING TO BE DOWN THE RIGHT RADAR RIGHT PROPERTY. BUT AFTER GOING TO MEET WITH MR. SMITH, AND LEARNING THAT THE COUNTY REALLY WANTED TO BUILD THE RADAR ROAD EXTENSION, THEN OUR BUFFER WHERE THAT SIDEWALK WAS PREVIOUSLY ON THE CHURCH PROPERTY HAD TO BE MOVED. WE HAD TO ALTER THE SITE PLAN AND TAKE 30 FEET OF THE DEPTH OF THE PROPERTY WHICH SUBSTANTIALLY RESTRICTED OUR PARKING WHICH THERE FOR DROVE THE NEED FOR FOUR STORY BUILDING. NOW THAT WHOLE 30-FOOT BUFFER IS ON PRIVATE LAND. WE KNOW LONGER HAVE THAT STRIP DOWN THERE WERE THE CHURCH PROPERTY IS. I JUST WANTED TO MENTION THAT HISTORY. I AGREE WITH WHAT SUSAN SAID. WE WOULD BE HAPPY TO MEET WITH MR. SMITH AND THE CHURCH TO FIGURE OUT IF THERE'S A WAY TO DO THIS. I DON'T THINK WE CAN COMMIT TO IT TONIGHT. >> THANK YOU. >> I DON'T SEE ANYBODY ELSE WHO WANT SPEAK FROM THE AUDIENCE. >> I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS. BEFORE YOU GO. SINCE THIS YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD. WOULD YOU LIKE TO GO FIRST? >> THIS THE KIND OF COMPLEX SITUATION HERE. I AGREE WITH MISS FRAZIERS, ARGUMENT ABOUT THE SIDEWALK AND THE PARCEL AND THE CROSSING IS ALMOST COMPLETELY DEVELOPED. WHETHER OR NOT EVERYBODY LIKES THAT IS ANOTHER STORY. BUT OVER THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS, IT SEEMS LIKE WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO LOOK AT THE LOCAL NEWS WITHOUT HAVING ACCIDENTS MAJOR ACCIDENTS ON HIGHWAY 17 EVEN AT SIGNALED INTERSECTIONS. PEOPLE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE TRAFFIC SAFETY ON 17. 17 AND 220 HAS BECOME REGIONAL AREA. YES, WE EXPECT THAT TRAFFIC. BUT I HAVE I DON'T KNOW WHY RADAR RADIO WASN'T PUT THROUGH FROM 17 TO TOWN CENTER. I DON'T I'M SURE THERE'S ARGUMENT AND COST INVOLVED. BUT WHAT I HEAR IS THAT THE DEVELOPER WANTS TO INSTALL THESE 180 HOUSES OR MULTIFAMILY UNIT. 60% ONE BEDROOM. REALLY DOESN'T SHARE AN ARGUMENT WITH ME UNLESS YOU CAN TELL ME HOW WILL BE COUPLES AND HOW WILL BE SINGLE. BECAUSE A COUPLE AUTOMATICALLY MEANS TWO CARS. >> THE ARGUMENT TO PUT THIS DEVELOPMENT, THESE APARTMENT IN THERE. WITH THE FUTURE ASSURANCE SMALL A. THAT RADAR ROAD WILL BE PUT THROUGH TO TOWN CENTER BOULEVARD, WILL ALLEVIATE THE TRAFFIC PROBLEM AND THE SAFETY ISSUES THAT I THINK WE ALL SHARE. THE WAY I SEE IT WE PUT IN 180 [01:10:03] HOUSES AND THEN TAKE CARE OF THE SAFETY FACTOR LATER MAYBE. WITH THE PRIORITY THAT MAY HAPPEN. MEANWHILE WE HAVE LACROSSE FIELD TO WORRY ABOUT. THE CHURCH ALTHOUGH THEY SEEM TO BE HANDLING IT WELL. WITH THEIR OFF DUTY OFFICERS AND DEAL WITH THE LIBRARY. IT SAMES LEAK WE'RE CREATING A PROBLEM HOPING WE WILL SOLVE IT IN THE END. THAT'S MY DILEMMA RIGHT NOW. BECAUSE IT WOULD BE NICE IF WE CAME IN WITH COMPLETE SOLUTION INSTEAD OF SOMETHING THAT'S ADVANTAGEOUS TO THE DEVELOPER BANKING ON SOMETHING THAT IS GOING TO MITTEDGATE SAFETY ISSUES NEGATIVE SAFETY ISSUES IN THE FUTURE. THAT'S MY TRIMMA ON THIS. IT'S IN TO COME IN AS PACKAGE. TAKING CAN CARE OF EVERYTHING AT THE SAME TIME. I KNOW THAT'S PERFECTION. BUT ISN'T THAT WHAT WE HERE FOR? >> THANKS. >> MR. AANZALONE. IT WILL BECOME AN INGRESS AND EL GRES INTO THE COMMUNITY AND THE BUSINESSES THAT ARE THERE. I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM. HONESTLY DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT AT ALL. I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH WAY IT DUMPS OUT ON TO 1 AND BEING ABLE TO MAKE LEFT-HAND TURN. WE HEARD THAT THE TRAFFIC LIGHT BY EAST WEST PARKWAY WILL GET THAT BUFFER. WHAT ABOUT GOING NORTHBOUND. THAT TRAFFIC DON'T GO ON THE SAME TRAFFIC LIGHT AS THE OTHER. THAT'S GOING -- IN MY ESTIMATION IT WILL BACK UP THAT LEFT-HAND TURN LANE TO TRY AND GET NORTHBOUND ON 17. I KNOW FROM DEVELOPMENT THAT RALPH AND I WERE HERE FOR DOWN BY DOCTORS -- WHERE IS THE BRIDGE COMES OVER WHEN WE BOTH HAD THE QUESTION ABOUT PUTTING IN THE TRAFFIC LIGHT THERE. AND THEN WE HAD HEARD THE STATE WON'T ALLOW A TRAFFIC LIGHT. THEN THEY WILL COME AND DO THE STUDY AND PUT A TRAFFIC LIGHT IN. I THINK IT'S SAD. BUT AT THE SAME TIME. YOU KNOW IT'S WITH THE STATE DOES AND IT'S A STATE ROAD. I WANT TO KNOW IF THERE'S A WAY THE STATE CAN COME IN AND BUT BARRIER UP LIKE THE IRON RAILINGS. UNIL THAT STUDY IS DONE. AND POTENTIALLY THE ROAD IS PAVED BECAUSE IT IS AN INTERSECTION WITH PINE FOREST. THAT IT COULD BECOME ANOTHER TRAFFIC LIGHT SITUATION. BUT AT LEAT LET'S PREVENT THAT TRAFFIC FROM GOING TO THE LEFT-HAND TURN. THAT'S JUST A SUGGESTION. I MEAN I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU FEEL ABOUT THAT. I FEEL PRETTY STRONGLY ABOUT THAT. I DON'T WANT TO SEE 7 FATALITIES BEFORE THEY CONSIDER PUTTING A LIGHT. . DO YOU WANT ANYTHING. I WILL COMMENT. I THINK MR. ANZALONE MAKES A GOOD SUGGESTION. I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE SAFETY AS WELL. >> I AGREE. IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE TO ME AND I AM NOT FROM THIS AREA I COME FROM AREA UP IN NORTHERN VIRGINIA THAT HEAVILY CONGESTED. AND MANY CASES DEVELOPMENT WERE DOWN TO FOUR ROADS WERE DONE IT'S INCOMPLETE WAY OF APPROACHING THE PROBLEM. IT BEHOFS TO WORK THE DEVELOPER TO COME UP WITH A COMPLETE SOLUTION SO IT'S A WIN WIN FOR EVERYBODY. I AGREE. AND I WOULD ALMOST EXPECT THAT BY THE TIME YOU GOT FINISH WITH EXTENSION YOU WILL NEED A TRAFFIC LIGHT OUT THERE AND YOU WILL PROBABLY NEED TO REDESIGN SOME OF THOSE ACCESS LANES IN AND OUT TOO. THE SOLUTION GOES BEYOND JUST THE NARROW PIECE OF APPROVING THE HOUSING PIECE. >> MR. GARRISON, DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS? >> JAMES DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ADDITIONAL FOR THE SCHOOLS? >> EVERYBODY IS KIND OF DONE. WE CLOSED THE PUBLIC HEARING. I FIND MYSELF ACTUALLY IN AN ODD POSITION. BECAUSE I'M USUALLY THE ONE ARGUING AGAINST THESE THINGS. AND I THINK I WILL ARGUE FOR THIS ONE. [01:15:04] SO I THINK THE ENTITLEMENTS ARE THERE FOR THE NUMBER OF HOUSES. YOU KNOW HOW MUCH I REALLY DISLIKE SMALL LOT DEVELOPMENTS THOSE FOUR-FOOT LOTS WE LOOKED AT BEFORE. IF YOU DO HIGH DENSITY. THIS WAY TO DO IT. TO DO IT APARTMENTS. AND DO THE PARKING. THERE'S A COUPLE COMMENTS THAT I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE TO ADDRESS THE THINGS PEOPLE HAVE SAID. ONE IS I THINK YOU MIGHT WANT TO LOOK AND THESE ARE SUGGESTION. LOOK AT ANOTHER PEDESTRIAN ACCESS ON THE NORTH END OF THIS PROPERTY TO THAT BIKE TRAIL. YOU WILL HAVE PEOPLE GOING THROUGH THIS BARRIER TRYING TO GET TO THAT BIKE TRAIL TO GO NORTH. THE OTHER ONE IS I HEARD THE COMMITMENT FROM MISS FRASIER AND THE BUILDER THAT THEY WOULD WORK THE COUNTY ON THE SIDEWALK. AND I'M GOING TO TAKE THEM AT THEIR WORD ON THAT. THAT THEY WILL WORK WITH PUBLIC WORKS AND SEE IF THEY CAN'T HELP WITH THAT. I WOULD EXPECT AND HOPE THAT THE DEVELOPER WOULD COVER THE COST OF SIDEWALK IN FRONT OF THEIR PROPERTY. I AM GOING TO MENTION THE BOAT PARKING AGAIN. I CAN'T STAND THAT DEVELOPMENTS DON'T PROVIDE FOR PARKING OF PEOPLE'S BOATS AND RV'S ON THEIR PROPERTY. BECAUSE IT MEAN INSTEAD OF PUTTING IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD YOU PUT IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD. I'M GOING TO HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THAT. BUT I DON'T THIS THAT IT'S ENOUGH OF A PROBLEM ON THIS ONE. LET'S TALK ABOUT THAT TRAFFIC. TRAFFIC ON U.S. 17 IS HORRIBLE. THERE'S NO DOUBT ABOUT IT. RADAR ROAD NEEDS TO BE OPENED UP. WE SHOULD BE DOING EVERYTHING WE COULD UNLIKE EVERYONE ELSE. I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THAT CONNECTION WAS NEVER THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE. I'VE LOOKED AT THAT FOR YEARS. DO WE HAVE CONQUER REPUBLICANSY WITH THIS? >> YOU CAN'T DO TRAFFIC CONCURRENCY AS AN ISSUE HERE. THERE'S A SAFETY ISSUE. I THINK WE NEED THIS KIND OF HOUSING. I CAN'T THINK OF A MUCH BETTER SPOT FOR THIS. WITH THE FOUR STORY BUILDING. I WAS SURPRISED IN BEING IN FLEMING ISLAND THAT THE HEIGHT WASN'T AN ISSUE. IT'S APPARENTLY FAR ENOUGH AWAY FROM THE HOMES THAT IT'S NOT A PROBLEM. SO IT'S A GOOD PROJECT. IT'S A GOOD LOCATION. THE CHURCH WANTS IT. THE BIGGEST PROBLEM IS THE TRAFFIC. MR. SMITH NEEDS TO WORK WITH FDOT. MR. SMITH YOU NEED TO WORK WITH FDOT TO FIX THIS TRAFFIC ISSUE AS MUCH AS YOU CAN. BECAUSE IT WILL BE THERE. BUT I FIND MYSELF IN SUPPORT OF THIS PROJECT. AND I THINK THAT MOST THAT TRAFFIC ALONE SHOULD NOT DERAIL THIS. THIS IS REVENUE FOR THE COUNTY. IT'S A MEETS A HOUSING NEAT. IT'S A GOOD LOCATION. THE ONLY NEGATIVE TO IT IS TRAFFIC WHICH CAN BE FIXED AT SOME POINT. I DON'T THINK YOU HOLD THIS UP BECAUSE OF THE TRAFFIC CAN BE A BIT OF PROBLEM. YOU CAN'T FUNCTION BAD DRIVERS. I MEAN, IF I LIVE HERE. I WOULD NEVER MAKE A LEFT I WOULD MAKE RIGHT AND DO A U-TURN. I NEVER MAKE A LEFT ON 220. I GO BACK AROUND EAST WEST AND COME OUT THE TRAFFIC LIGHT. SO YOU CAN'T FIX BAD DRIVERS. THE TRAFFIC STUDY SAID IT'S SAFE. I WILL SUPPORT THIS IF SOMEONE WILL MOVE THE STAFF REPORT. >> I WANTED -- >> I WANT TO SAY I'M IN FAVOR OF THIS ALSO. I'M NOT IN FAVOR BY MY COMMENT. MY CONCERN WITH THAT TRAFFIC I WOULD REALLY LIKE DALE, I DON'T WANT TO CALL YOU BACK UP HERE. YOU CAN GIVE HEAD NOD BUT SIT POSSIBLE TO PUT A TEMPORARY BARRIER OF SOME SORT INTO THAT AREA? >> SO THAT THE TRAFFIC CAN'T MAKE THAT LEFT-HAND TURN. >> MAKE IT RIGHT HAND. >> YOU CAN PUT TEMPORARY BARRIERS. >> YOU CAN. THAT WOULD SOLVE THAT PROBLEM RIGHT AWAY. >> I THINK FDOT HAS TO AGREE WITH BECAUSE IT'S U.S. 17. THAT'S THEIR JOB. >> I WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE ASKED HIM THAT. >> ANY FOLLOW UP COMMENTS? >> I AGREE. I AGREE. I DO SUPPORT THIS REPORT. I DO. ARE YOU LOOKING FOR A SECOND. >> LOOKING FOR A MOTION. >> I WILL MOVE THE STAFF REPORT. AND I REALLY APPRECIATE THE SUGGEST THAT COMMISSIONER ANZALONE HAS MADE. [01:20:02] I HOPE IT WILL BE CARRIED OUT. BUT I UNDERSTAND WHAT HAS BEEN SAID SO FAR. AND AAGREE. DO I GET A SECOND. >> I HAVE A SECOND FROM JOE. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? >> I'M SORRY SIR. BUT WE HAD THE PUBLIC HEARING WE CLOSED IT. AND AS I STATED EARLIER ONCE WE CLOSE IT WILL DISCUSS AND MAKE A DECISION. LET ME FINISH WITH THIS. AND WE WILL DEAL WITH THAT IN A SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR STATE I. OPPOSED. NO. WHO WAS THAT? >> MR. NORTON VOTES NO. >> THIS WILL COME UP AGAIN. AT THE BCC MEETING ON FEBRUARY 25TH. IN THE SAME ROOM. IT'S THREE WEEKS FROM TONIGHT. STARTS AT 4:00 IN THE AFTERNOON. PLEASE COME BACK. IF YOU WANT TO MAKE COMMENTS THAT YOU DIDN'T THINK YOU HAD A CHANCE TO MAKE TONIGHT. THERE'S ANOTHER PUBLIC HEARING AT THAT TIME. AND PUT A CARD IN AND GET IN THAT HEARING. OKAY. >> JUST ONE THING TOO. THIS WILL BE SAME CERTAIN FIVE. YOU HAVE TO BE HERE AT TIME CERTAIN ON THEIR AGENDA. I DON'T NOW HO MULL. ANYTHING IS TIME CERTAIN. THEY WILL GET TO IT AS QUICKLY AS THEY CAN AFTER 5:00. THE AFTERNOON. >> OKAY WITH WE WILL MOVE ON TO OUR NEXT AGENDA ITEM. [2.  Public Hearing to Amend the Land Development Code to Delete Permit Requirements for Home Occupation Conditional Use] ITEM 2 PUBLIC HEARING TO AMEND THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE TO DELETE PERMIT REAR CHOIRMENT FOR HOME OCCUPATION CONDITIONAL USE. YOU WILL DO THIS ONE. >> LIKE EVERY GOOD PLANNER. I HAVE TO HAVE A POWERPOINT. AND I'M GOING THIS FOR MR. CHAD WILLIAMS OUT FOR THE NEXT TEN WEEKS. >> HE GETTING KNEE OR HIP? >> TOMORROW HIP. >> HI TO CHAD. I'M SURE HE'S WATCHING. >> GIVE YOU BACK REASON ON THE REASON WE PROPOSE. HOME OCCUPATION RIGHT NOW ARE IDENTIFIED CONDITIONAL USE IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. WE HAVE HUNDREDS OF CONDITIONAL USES IDENTIFIED. >> BEFORE YOU GET INTO THIS. CAN YOU START BY DEFINING WHAT THE COUNTY CONSIDERS A HOME OCCUPATION? I CAN TELL YOU WHAT THEY DON'T CONSIDER HOME OCCUPATION? >> OKAY. >> BUT YOU KNOW AS FAR AS WHAT THEY DO. FOR EXAMPLE. BECAUSE WHEN I WAS LOOKING AT THIS. I REALLY NEED THAT TO CONTAINED OF UNDERSTAND THE WHOLE ARGUMENT. I'M A PLUMBER. I RUN A BUSINESS OUT OF MY HOME. I DON'T DO ANYTHING AT HOME. ACCEPT ANSWER THE PHONE AND DO MY BOOK KEEPING. I DON'T HAVE PEOPLE COMING AND GOING. I WOULD SAY THAT BEING HOME OCCUPATION CPA MAYBE THAT SITS AT HOME. BUT WHAT ABOUT SOMEONE THEIR MORTGAGE OFFICER IN THE BANK. AND THEY SIT IN THERE SPARE BEDROOM AT THE HOUSE AND PROCESS MORTGAGE APPLICATIONS. THEY ARE TELECOMMUTERS. ARE THOSE HOME OCCUPATION? >> THEORETICALLY BASED ON HOW THIS WRITTEN. YOU REALLY -- YOUR NEXT-DOOR NEIGHBOR SHOULD KNOW YOUR HOME OCCUPATION. OTHER THAN A SMALL SIGN. THERE'S SHOULD BE NO INCREASE TRAFFIC. ONLY THE RESIDENT WHO LIVES THERE SHOULD DO THE HOME OCCUPATION. >> TECHNICALLY PEOPLE TELL COMMUTE ARE HOME APPLICATION. IF WE MAKE THIS CHANGE. I WANT TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE CURRENT RULE. THAT'S WHY WE ARE MAKING THIS CHANGE. BECAUSE TELL COMMUTER WOULD BE CONSIDERED HOME OP BUT THEN PERMIT. REASON DON'T A WE DON'T THINK EVERY HOME OP SHOULD GET A PER SIGNIFICANT 150 INITIALLY. 50 A YEAR. I WOULD ADD THAT SAME COMMENT. THAT'S WHY THIS IS HERE. I DIDN'T WANT TO INTERRUPT. >> IT'S A GOOD POINT. >> I NEEDED TO UNDERSTAND >> IF THEY DO THE HOME OP WE ALLOW THEM. DIDN'T WE DO THIS TWO YEARS AGO? >> I DON'T THINK SO. >> IF WE KID IT DON'T REMEMBER. I KIND OF REMEMBER THIS. >> BUT THAT IS GOOD SEGUE INTO THIS. LIKE I SAID REQUIRES ALL HOME OCCUPATION TO CONTAIN A PERMIT. THEY HAVE COME IN. GET A PERMIT. ENFORCEMENT IS PROBLEMATIC. HOW MANY RESIDENTS ALREADY CONDUCT BUSINESS OUT OF THEIR HOUSES NOT KNOWING THE REQUIREMENT. I'M SURE THERE'S PLENTY OF THEM THAT PROBABLY HAVE NO CLUE THAT THERE'S ARE SUPPOSED TO GO IN GET A PERMIT. PAY THEIR $1 # 50 GET RENEWED ANNUALLY IF THEY ARE CONDUCTING BUSINESS OUT OF THEIR HOUSE. IF THEY ARE ARE VIOLATING THE CONDITIONS IN THE USE THAT'S CODE ENFORCEMENT ISSUE. YOU KNOW IT SEEMS LIKE THAT SHOULDN'T BE ALLOWED. [01:25:03] AGAIN 35-AD THIS CONDITION THAT NEED TO BE ADHERED TO SHOULD MAKE HOME OCCUPATION UNNOTICEABLE FOR THE NEIGHBORING RESIDENTS. YOU SHOULDN'T NOTICE. IF JANE DOE WANT TO MAKE WREATH AND SELL THEM. SO BE IT. AS LONG AS NO ONE COMES TO PURCHASE THEM. THAT WOULD BE HOME OCCUPATION. WHY SHOULD WE HAVE TO MONITOR THOSE AS FAR AS THAT GOES. WHY SHOULD SHE GET PERMIT. VIOLATIONS CODE ENFORCEMENT ISSUE. THESE CONDITIONS STILL PERTAIN. SOMEONE HAVING PEOPLE COME TO THEIR HOUSE; IF THEY ARE GENERATING 50 TRIPS A DAY. BECAUSE THEY ARE HAVING PEOPLE COME IN AND BUYING THINGS. THAT'S IS VIOLATION OF THE CONDITIONAL USE. THAT WOULD BE A CODE ENFORCEMENT. VIOLATION. WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL LAND DEVELOPMENT COULD WE DELETE THE REQUIREMENT HOME OCCUPATION HAVE TO COME AND GET A PERMIT. THEY DON'T HAVE TO COME GET PERMIT. >> ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON THIS? >> I ASK THE ONLY ONE I WANTED TO CLAIREFICATION ON. WE'VE GOT LITERALLY 10,000 VIOLATORS ALTERNATE AT LEAST IN THIS COUNTY. EVERYBODY THAT WORKS VIRTUAL OFFICE IS IN VIOLATION. >> LET ME OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. I DON'T HAVE ANY CARDS ON THIS ONE. DOES ANYONE WANT TO SPEAK ON THIS? SEEING NONE I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. AND BRING IT BACK FOR COMMENT OR MOTION. >> I WILL MOVE THE STAFF RECORD ON THIS. WHEN I READ IT I THOUGHT IT WAS PROBABLY MOTIVATED IN PART BY THE TELL COMMUTING ISSUE. THIS PROBABLY DATES TO TIME WHEN WITH THAT WASN'T A THING. AND SO I MOVE THE REPORT. I NEED A SECOND. AND SECOND FROM BO. >> ANY FURTHER IF NOT ALL IN FAVOR STATE I. OPPOSED. THAT'S SIX. SCHOOL BOARD DOESN'T VOTE ON THAT ONE. ALL RIGHT. ONE MORE ITEM. WE WILL DO PUBLIC HEARING TO [3.  Public Hearing to Consider Rezoning Application Z-19-21: LA RF to LA MPC located west of Bradley Creek and east of Henley Road.] CONSIDER A REZONING APPLICATION Z-19-21. THIS WILL BE REZONE PROPERTY IN LAKE ASBURY MASS PLAN AREA FROM LARF TO LA-MPC. MASTER PLANNED COMMUNITY AND WHO HAS GOT THIS ONE? >> OH, CAROLYN. PLEASE GO AHEAD. >> IT'S A PUBLIC HEARING. ITS REZONING. APPLICANT RAISED PROPERTY FOR BRADLEY CREAK HOLDING. COMMISSION DISTRICT FIVE. A COMPANION LAND USE AMENDMENT. I DIDN'T TYPE THAT RIGHT. LAND USE AMENDMENT WAS APPROVED BY THE RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION IN OCTOBER. IT WENT TO THE BCC AND IT WAS TRANSMITTED TO THE STATE. THE STATE TRANSMITTED IT BACK TO US. BUT BECAUSE OF THE DECEMBER AND THE LACK OF MEETINGS IN DECEMBER WE WOULD HOLD IT OVER TO JANUARY. BECAUSE WE HAD THIS REZONING FOR FEBRUARY IT WAS JUST MORE CONVENIENT TO BRING BOTH TO THE BCC AT THE SAME TIME. BOTH ITEMS WILL GO FOR ADOPTION AT THE BCC ON THE 25TH. >> THIS IS AN AERIAL MAP OF THE PROPERTY. THE TOTAL PROPERTY WAS 972 ACRES AND WHAT THEY TRY TO REZONE HERE IS 605 OF THOSE ACRES. IN THAT LAND USE AMENDMENT WHAT WE DID WAS FLIP THE MPC AND THE RURALING FROM AREA AND THE REASON FOR DOING THAT IS THE RURALING FROM AREA WHICH IS TO THE EAST OF BRADLEY CREEK AND ON BOTH SIDES OF THE FREEWAY IS A LESS -- LESS ACCESSIBLE IN A LOT OF WAY AND ALSO HAS POWER SOILS FOR DEVELOPMENT AND THE MPC WAS PROPOSED TO COME TO HENLEY ROAD AND DOWN TO SAND RIDGE ROAD WHICH IS MORE URBAN IN ITS CHARACTER. THAT LAND USE AMENDMENT WAS RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL AND IT WILL BE ADOPTED POTENTIALLY AT THE SAME NIGHT. IF THE LAND USE AMENDMENT DOESN'T GET ADOPTED THEN THE REZONING COULDN'T GET ADOPTED EITHER. AND ALSO I WILL POINT OUT THAT THE PINK ON THE MAP HERE IS THE VILLAGE CENTER WHICH IS LAND USE CAD GORY FOR WHATEVER REASON OUR ZONING DOESN'T SEE IT AS A [01:30:01] ZONING DISTRICT. AND SO WE DID PUT IT ON THE MAP JUST SO YOU WILL KNOW THAT FACT THE VILLAGE CENTER IS INTENDED TO GO WHERE NORTH SOUTH TO AND NORTH SOUTH 2 AND EAST WEST ONE INTERSECTS. THAT'S THE INTENTION THERE. STAFF RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF Z-19-21. >> FOR OUR NEW MEMBERS. WOULD YOU EXPLAIN THE NORTH SOUTH, EAST WEST NUMBERS. BECAUSE IT'S LAKE ASBURY, WE HAVE PROPOSED WHAT'S CALLED DASH LINE ROAD. LOCATAL COLLECTOR ROADS TO WE HAD VERY FEW ROADS THROUGH THERE. YOU HAVE COUNTY ROAD 209. AND EVENTUALLY WE GET IT ACROSS. THERE'S NOT ENOUGH CIRCULATION. THAT'S AG LAND WHEN LAID OUT. FOR BOTH OF THE MASTER PLAN THEY HAVE DASH LINE ROAD. THEY WERE LABELED AT WEST-WEST AND NORTH SOUTH AND BEGIN NUMBERS. THERE'S A ROAD THAT COMES UP PRESUMABLY UP FROM SAND RIDGE ROAD RIGHT IN THIS LOCATION NEAR THE EASTERN PART OF THIS PROPERTY. GOES UP TO RUSSELL; RIGHT? >> IT COMES UP RIGHT ALONG THERE. AND THEN THERE'S A ROADWAY THAT WILL COME IN THROUGH VILLAGE PARKWAY WHICH IS DEVELOPMENT TO THE NORTH. AND IT'S GOING TO COME AND COME RIGHT DOWN TO THAT CORNER. WE GOT A VILLAGE PARK ROAD STARTED AS PART OF THAT DEVELOPMENT. AND WE DO NEED AND HAVE TRIED VERY HARD TO PROTECT THE CONCEPT OF THE DASH LINE ROADS AS A WAY TO PROVIDE INTERNAL CIRCULATION FOR ALL THE DEVELOPMENT THAT IS EXPECTED IN LAKE ASBURY. >> ANY QUESTIONS? >> JUST CAROL, JUST THAT LITTLE PINK SHADED AREA IN THE CENTER. THAT'S GOING TO BE LIKE ENTERPRISE ZONE. LITTLE BUSINESSES AND THINGS LIKE THAT? >> THE VILLAGE CENTER IN LAKE ASBURY DOESN'T ALLOW A LOT OF HEAVY DUTY STUFF. IT DOES ALLOW LITTLE OFFICES AND LITTLE COMMERCIAL USES AND I THINK SOME GROCERY AND PHARMACY TYPE USES. >> THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE QUESTIONS. >> I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. IS APPLICANT HERE? >> OH, THERE HE IS. >> JACKSONVILLE, FLORIDA 32258. CAROLYN DID A GOOD JOB RECAPPING. I WILL NOT GO INTO A LOT OF DETAIL. ESSENTIALLY WE WERE HERE BACK IN OCTOBER FOR THE COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING AMENDMENT. WE HAD FOUR DIFFERENT REQUEST. THE MAIN WAS FLOPPING OR JUST MOVING THE LAND USE AROUND. AND WITH THAT DID WAS ACTUALLY RESULT IN NET REDUCTION ON THE POTENTIAL OF THE SITE. AND THEN WE HAD SOME OTHER -- COUPLE OF OTHER CHANGES THAT AT THAT TIME PLANNING COMMISSION DID NOT RECOMMEND GET APPROVED. SO PRIOR TO IT GOING TO COUNTY COMMISSION WE AMENDED THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDATION AND THAT WAS TRANSMITTED TO THE STATE. NOW WE'RE JUST BACK HERE FOR THE REZONING. IT WILL MAKE IT CONSISTENT WITH THAT TRANSMTTED COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT. AND SO I WILL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE. [INAUDIBLE] LET ME OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. I HAVE TWO CARDS. I HAVE TWO CARDS. THE FIRST ONE IS LILY OSTEIN. GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. DID YOU KNOW 3.57 BILLION TREES ARE CUT DOWN YEAR. 78 MILLION ACRES ARE CUT DOWN IN THE AMAZON A YEAR. SCIENTIST HAVE ESTIMATED THAT IN 40 YEARS ALL OF OUR RAIN FOREST [01:35:04] WILL BE GONE AND THERE WILL BE NO MORE REALLY TREES TO CUT DOWN. BECAUSE ALL OF OUR WILL ALL BE BUSINESSES. EVERYWHERE. 4.6 MILLION DIE FROM AIR POLLUTION. BECAUSE ALL OF THE TREE THAT WE'RE CUTTING DOWN ARE SUPPOSED FILTER OUT THE AIR. THAT'S REALLY IT. >> THANK YOU. VERY NICE. >> THE OTHER CARD I HAVE FROM BETH LYNCH. THAT WAS MY DAUGHTER. HER FATHER LIVES ACROSS THE STREET FROM THIS. THAT'S WHY IT'S SO IMPORTANT TO US. >> RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET. >> IN THAT CREEK I THINK IT'S CALL CREEKLAND SUBDIVISION. >> I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF YOU HAVE SEEN THIS AREA IN PERSON BEFORE. IT IS BEAUTIFUL. IT'S JUST COMPLETELY WOODED. THERE'S NO GUARANTEE THAT ANY OF THE PLANS THAT YOU HAVE FORETHE DEFORATION AND REZONING WILL WORK OUT. IT DOESN'T AND HASN'T WORKED OUT AS EVIDENCE BY THE COUNTLESS AMOUNT OF ABANDONED PROPERTY AND VACANT BUSINESSES STREWN UP AND DOWN 17. I'VE LIVED HERE FOR 35 YEARS. I WANTED TO GIVE YOU SOME THINGS TO CONSIDER. I DON'T HAVE MUCH TIME. THE ECO SYSTEM IN QUESTION ARE WORKING IN PERFECT HARMONY AND NOW ALL OF THE ANIMALS WILL BE DISPLACED. THE LAND PLANTS AND TREES WILL BE CLEAR-CUT AND THERE'S NO WAY TO DETERMINE THE VALUE THAT THEY HAVE FOR PRESENT AND FUTURE GENERATION. COUNTLESS STUDY AND RESEARCH SHOW THAT CITY DWELLER HAVE 20% HIGHER CHANCE OF SUFFERING ANXIETY AND ALMOST 40% GREATER LIKELIHOOD OF DEVELOPING DMREGS. AS DEPRESSION IS THE WORLD BIGGEST CAUTION OF DISABILITY WE CANNOT AFFORD TO IGNORE THE IMPACT OF PUBLIC ENVIRONMENT ON MENTAL HEALTH. MULTIPLE STRESSORS ASSOCIATED WITH CITY LIVING HAVE BEEN SHOWN TO INCREASE ACTIVITY IN THE PARTS OF THE GRAIN CORRESPONDING TO THE FIGHT-OR-FLIGHT RESPONSE LIKE I FEEL RIGHT NOW. IT'S NOT EMPTINESS OR QUIET THAT HAS THE EFFECT. NATURE AND ITS MESSY WILD LOUD DIVERSE ANIMAL INHABITATED GLORY HAS THE MOST IMPACT ON RESTORING A STRESS MIND TO A CALM AND ALERT STATE. BUT AUTOBAHN SCIENTIST PUBLISHED A STATE ONE THIRD OF NORTH AMERICAN BIRD POPULATIONS HAVE DECLINED SINCE 1966 DUE TO DEFORESTATION. THE NORTH AMERICAN BIRD CONSERVATION REPORTS ONE THIRD OF AMERICAN BIRDS SPECIES ARE CURRENTLY AT RISK OF EXING THEION. WHEN WE PUT PROFIT BEFORE PEOPLE IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO QUANTIFY THE HARM THAT'S DONE. DID YOU KNOW THAT FLORIDA HAS MORE TREES SPECIES THAN ANY OTHER STATE IN THE CONTINENTAL U.S. AND NEARLY 4,000 SPECIES OF FLOWERING PLANTS. SOME SPECIESES THAT ARE HERE THAT ARE SURE TO SUFFER THE ONE THAT LIVE IN THE VERY FOREST WE ARE TALKING ABOUT INCLUDE RED TAIL HAWK. BEAVER, POLLSOM. 500 SPECIES OF BIRDS. INCLUDING THE RED-HEADED WOODPECKERS. TURTLES, LIZZARDS. COUNTLESS INSECT AND FISH. WOLS HAVE BEEN HUNTED INTO EX-DONE SHURN. ON HEIGHT OF TREES AND OF COURSE THEY KILLED SOME DEER. YOU CAN SLOWDOWN A LITTLE BIT. I HAVE FIVE SECONDS. >> I WILL LET YOU FINISH. >> I CAN BREATHE. DEVELOPER GET UNLIMITED TIME. THE POINT IS THAT REINTRODUCING THOSE WOLVES IT JUST CHANGED EVERYTHING. IT CHANGED THE ACTIVITY OF THE DEER. IT CHANGED THE PLACES THE DEER WOULD ROAM ALLOWING THE PART OF FOREST TO REGROW. THEN BIRD STARTED MOVING IN. BEAVERS INCREASE BECAUSE THEY EAT THE TREES AND THE DAMN THEY BUILT PROVIDED HABITAT. FOR OTTERS. DUCKS AND AMPHIBIANS. THEY WOLVES CHANGE THE BAIFOR OF THE RIVER DUE TO REGENERATING FOREST. THE BANK COLLAPSED LESS OFTEN RIVER WERE MORE FIXED IN THEIR COURSE CAUSING LESS SOIL EROSION BECAUSE THE VEGETATION HAD STABILIZED THAT. THIS CALLED ATRPHIC CASCADE. A CHANGE AT THE TOP OF THE FOOD CHANGE CONTINUES ALL THE WAY DOWN. WHAT WE DO TODAY EFFECTS COUNTLESS SPECIES OF ANIMALS AND PLANTS. COUNTLESS GENERATIONS OF HUMAN BINGES. IT SEEMS FACT THAT WE ARE EVEN HERE DISCUSSING THIS MEAN YOU MUST THINK THAT MORE DEVELOPMENT MUST EQUAL MORE TAX DOLLARS AND IF YOU PACK THIS COUNTY LIKE [01:40:02] SARDINE AND OVERDEVELOP WHICH IS CURRENTLY HAPPENING, THERE ARE GROWING NUMBER OF THESE REZONING SIGN EVERY WEEK. REMOVES THE QUALITY THAT MAKES PEOPLE WANT THE COME LIVE HERE. BYCATCHING IN ON THAT YOU REMOVE THE VALUE OF OUR COMMUNITY AND DEVALUING EVERYBODY PROPERTY WHO LIVE HERE BY MAKING LESS DESIRABLE PLACE TO LIVE. IF PROMPT VALUE INCREASE TAX REVENUE INCREASE. BUT IF YOU PACK EVERYONE IN THIS COUNTY IT CHANGES THE PROPERTY VALUE AND DEVALUES OUR HOME. WILL LOOK BLANDING BOULEVARD WELLS ROAD AND JACKSONVILLE. COMPARE THE VALUE OF HOME OF WELLS AND KINGSLEY WITH HOME HERE IN THE HEART OF CLAY COUNTY. YOU'RE NOT INCREASING THE VALUE. YOU'RE ABOUT TO CREATE ANOTHER ROAD THAT PEOPLE DREAD DRIVING THROUGH TO GET TO PLACES THAT PEOPLE WANT TO LIVE. MY HUSBAND AND I WORK AN HOUR AWAY FROM WHERE WE LIVE. WE'RE IN THE PLACE PEOPLE WANT TO BE. LEAVE WITH YOU THAT. THANKS FOR LISTENING. >> THANK YOU. >> ANYONE ELSE? >> YES, SIR. COME ON. WOULD YOU BE KIND ENOUGH WHEN YOU ARE DONE TO FILL THAT OUT AND GIVE IT TO KELLY OVER THERE, PLEASE. YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE. MY NAME CONNER LYNCH. I HAD A CARD FROM YOU. I'M SORRY. . >> DIDN'T SEE IT. I'VE GOT IT. SAVE THIS ONE. I WANT TO THANK A YOU GUYS FOR LISTENING TO ME WIFE AND STEP-DAUGHTER. THE REASON WHY OUR SENTIMENT ARE SO GENERIC WE WILL BRING UP YELLOWSTONE AND SUCH. THERE'S NOT A LOT OF INFORMATION TO RESEARCH WHAT WILL BE TALKED ABOUT HERE. MY WIFE I'M HERE BECAUSE MY WIFE PULLED OVER ON THE SIDE ROAD DECIDED TO READ THE SIGN AND NOTE THE DATE. I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. THERE'S I WOULD PREPARED NOT KNOWING THIS WOULD I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THAT IS GOING TO BE. I PREPARED FOR WHAT I THOUGHT IT MIGHT BE. I WANTED TO POINT OUT EVERY ONE OF US DROVE BY TEN 50 NORTH ORANGE TODAY WHICH IS SOME VACANT BUILDING FOR QUITE SOMETIME. WE HAVE ALL THESE DEVELOPER THAT WANT TO COME IN AND MAKE MONEY AND THEY ASK US TO REZONE OUR AREA. TO HELP THEM MAKE SOME MONEY. I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY IT WOULDN'T BE BEYOND US TO ASK THEM TO RATHER THAN CUTDOWN THE THINGS LIKE MY WIFE MENTIONED THAT MAKE OUR PLACE SO BEAUTIFUL. MAYBE WE CAN PROVIDE THEM SOME SORT OF INCENTIVE TO USE THE BUILDING THAT ARE EYESORES. THE ONE THING THAT STUCK WITH ME FROM ITEM ONE THE MENTION OF THE SURVEY THAT WAS PERFORMED IN THE 80S THAT WHICH STILL USE TO PERFORM ALL THE PROGRESS THAT WE'RE MAKING IN DEVELOPMENT HERE. I WILL LIVE ONE INTERESTING THING. I LOVE IT HERE. WE PURCHASED A HOUSE HERE. EVERYONE FAMILIAR WITH THE DOD BIRD. IT'S USED OFTEN. NONEVERYONE FAMILIAR WITH A STUDY THAT WAS DONE YEARS AFTER IT WAS EXTIFSHTH. SPECIES THAT A TREE THAT LIVES ON THE ISLAND WHERE THE DODO BIRD LIVED. SOMEONE NOTICED THERE'S NO SAPLING OF THE TREE. AND AS IT TURNED OUT THE WERE SEEDS EVERYWHERE. NO NEW GROWTH. EVERY TEE WAS THERE WAS OLD. THEY DETERMINED THEY WERE ESSENTIAL IN EATING THE SEEDS PREPARE THEM FOR GERMNATION SO THE SEEDS WOULD GROW. THEY FED THE SEEDS. FORCE FED THEM TO TURKEY AND GOT THE SAME RESULTS. AND THE LESSON IN THAT WE HAVE NO IDEA THE EFFECT DOWN THE ROAD. WHAT WE'RE CAUSING. WE CAN DO SURVEY AND HAVE IDEAS. WE CAN SAY BUILDING 18 NEW HOMES WHEN IT COMES TO FOREST, WE REALLY AREN'T GOING TO KNOW WHAT TERRIBLE DECISION WE MADE UNTIL YEARS LATER. >> I JUST WANT YOU ALL TO GET THROUGH THAT. I APPRECIATE LISTENING TO THAT. >>THANK YOU, SIR. >> ANYONE ELSE? >> I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. I BRING IT BACK FOR DISCUSSION. ANY QUESTIONS. ANYONE HAVE ANYTHING FOR THE APPLICANT? ANYTHING? >> SCHOOL BOARD LOOKED AT THIS; RIGHT? ANY PROBLEMS WITH IT? WHY DENT YOU ENLIGHTEN US. I DON'T HAVE THE CAPACITY. THE SCHOOL BOARD DOESN'T HAVE THE CAPACITY AT LAKE ASBURY AT [01:45:02] COPPERGATE FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT. WE TALKED ABOUT IT AT THE LAST MEETING. THAT'S WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW WITH THIS. >> MR. CHAIRMAN IF I MIGHT. >> GO AHEAD PLEASE. IT LOOKS LIKE THE WHAT I'M LOOKING AT IS THE DIFFERENT IN THE DIMENSION@STANDARDS. RIGHT NOW WE'RE IN RURALING FROM. I LIKE THE DENSITY. I LIKE THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE AND WIDTH 50 FEET. WE GO TO MPC IT'S MINIMUM LIGHT SIZE 4,000 SQUARE FEET. MINIMUM LOT WIDTH 40 FEET. I DON'T LIKE THE INCREASE DENSITY. YOU ARE PUTTING MPC IN THE MIDDLE OF THE REST OF THE RURALING FROM. BASICALLY I SEE NO REASON TO INCREASE THE DENSITY. >> IT'S REALLY NOT ABOUT THIS. I AGREE WITH ROBERT ON HIS ASSESSMENT OF THIS. FOR THESE FOLKS WHO CAME UP AND GAVE US A MORE OF ENVIRONMENTAL PRESENTATION. YOU KNOW UNFORTUNATELY THERE'S NO A LOT WE CAN DO WITH THE RESPECT TO WHAT LAND OWNER IS CAN DO WITH THEIR PROPERTY. OKAY THERE'S ONLY CERTAIN AMOUNT OF THING WE CAN LOOK AT. BUT YOU ALSO HAVE TO REMEMBER ONE THING. YOU LIVE IN HOUSE THAT ONE TIME SOMEONE CAME FORWARD LIKE TRY TO BUILD A DEVELOPMENT. SO YOU COULD HAVE A PLACE TO LIVE WHICH YOU LOVE, OBVIOUSLY. BECAUSE I FEEL THE SAME WAY. BUT CHANGES IS EMINENT. AND IT WILL HAPPEN. IT'S NOT THAT WE'RE NOT COGNIZANT AND RESPECTFUL OF NATURE AND THE THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON. BECAUSE THERE ARE SITUATIONS I KNOW IN OTHER DEVELOPMENTS THAT WE'VE LOOKED AT IN THE PAST WHERE THE BUILDER CAME IN AND KEPT TREES AND VARIOUS OTHER THINGS JUST SO THEY DIDN'T CHANGE THE ENVIRONMENTAL THAT MUCH. YOU KNOW I WANTED TO MAKE THAT COMMENT TO YOU. I APPRECIATE YOUR PRESENTATIONS. >> ANYONE ELSE? >> GIVE ME A CHANCE TO GET MY SEA LEGS. I WILL GET BETTERS A THIS. I WANT TO SEE HOW PROUD I AM FOR YOU. I STRONGLY ENCOURAGE YOU TO CONTINUE TO BE COME TO MICROPHONE AND RELAX. WE STAY INVOLVED. OUR SOCIETY DEPENDS ON YOUNG PEOPLE INVOLVED. GO ALONG MR. ANAZALONE SAID. I'VE BEEN IN BUILDING INDUSTRY AND MY WHOLE ADULT LIFE. AS THE POPULATION GROWS PEOPLE HAVE TO LIVE SOMEWHERE. THERE ARE PLENTY OF PLACES IN CLAY COUNTY AND NORTHEAST FLORIDA WHERE IT'S NOT GOING TO BE THIS DENSE. WE SPENT 30 YEAR BEGGING FOR INTERSTATE TO BE BUILT THROUGH AND YOU AIN'T SEEN NOTHING YET. IT WILL BE CRAZY. AND I WILL JUST MAKE A COMMENT WITH REGARD TO DENSITY. YOU GET TO CHOOSE DENSITY OR URBAN SPRAWL. THIS IDEA THAT 40-FOOT LOTS ARE SOME HORRIBLE THINGIST JUST UP IN RALEIGH, NORTH CAROLINA A COMMUNITY THAT HAS 20-FOOT LOTS. 350,000 HOMES. AND SELLING THEM LIKE HOT CAKES. THE FACT THAT ONE DOESN'T LIKE 40-FOOT LOT SOME PEOPLE LIKE TO LIVE APARTMENT. WE HAVE TO PROVIDE ALL OF THAT. IT'S CALLED A FREE MARKET. >> I WANT TO SAY ONE OTHER THING THAT CAME UP. WHEN MR. LYNCH CAME UP WITH HIS PRESENTATION. SEEING THAT SIGN IS WHY WE PUT THEM THERE. SO THAT THE COMMUNITY HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO COME TO MEETING LIKE THIS AND MAKE A PRESENTATION. KEEP LOOKING FOR THOSE SIGNS. >> CAROLYN. MR. CHAIR, LAKE ASBURY DOESN'T HAVE MULTIPLE IMPLEMENTING ZONING DISTRICTS. IF THE BOARD APPROVES THE MPC WHICH YOU DID RMENT RECOMMEND. I HAVE TO GIVE ZONING. I CAN'T KEEP IT AT RURALING FROM. >> RIGHT. IST GOING TO GET TO THAT. >> THANKS FOR BRINGING THAT UP. ANYTHING ELSE MR. LEMON DID YOU HAVE A COMMENT? . >> THINK CAROLYN PRETTY MUCH NEW WHAT I WOULD SAY. WE'RE ACTUALLY JUST FLIPPING THE LAND USE. DENSITY IS NOT REALLY INCREASING FOR THE ENTIRE. >> WE HAVE INCOMPATIBLE LAND USE ZONING SITUATION. >> OKAY. I WANTED TO POINT ONE THING OUT ON THIS IT'S NOT. CAN YOU PUT UP THE SATELLITE MAP. DO YOU HAVE THAT IN YOUR PRESENTATION? WELL, JUST IN CASE EVERYONE [01:50:01] DOESN'T REALIZE IT. THERE'S A MAP YOU CAN GET THIS ON THE WEB SITE. THIS CURVE AND THAT CURVE RIGHT THERE THE FIRST EXPRESSWAY. THERE'S AN EXPRESSWAY GOING RIGHT AROUND THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY. WHEN IT GETS PUT IN. WHEN IT IN FACT YOU BUILD IT. >> ARE THEY CLEARED OUT ALREADY. IT'S THERE. >> I WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT. CAN I GET A MOTION ON THIS. I WILL MOVE. I HAVE A MOTION FROM MR. GARRISON. A SECOND. SECOND FROM MR. NORTON. NO FURTHER DISCUSSION. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS STAFF REPORT STATE I. OPPOSED. SCHOOL BOARD OPPOSED DUE TO CAPACITY. OR ARE OKAY WITH IT? >> IT'S NET REDUCTION. >> I GUESS THAT'S 7-0. >> WHAT DOES THAT NET REDUCTION MEAN? YEAH CLARIFY THAT PLEASE? >> COME ON. >> I JUST WANT CLARIFICATION. THAT'S ALL. >> TODAY UNDER THE CURRENT LAND USE AS APPROVED THERE'S SO MANY ACRE OF RURALING FROM AND SO MANY ACRE OF MASTER PLANNED COMMUNITY AND VILLAGE CENTER. WHEN WE MOVED THEM AROUND ACREAGE HAS CHANGED TO THE POINT WHERE THE NUMBER OF HOUSING UNYOU CAN BUILD TODAY WOULD BE MORE THAN WHAT YOU CAN BUILD AFTER THE PROPOSED CHANGE. IF THAT MAKES SENSE. >> OKAY. >> THANK YOU. IT'S NOT A REAL TODAY DECREASE. IT'S A DECEASE IN PROJECTIONS. >> CORRECT. >> THANK YOU. >> WITH THAT WE WILL MOVE INTO I WILL REARRANGE THIS FOR A [Public Comment] SECOND. OUR LAST PUBLIC COMMENT. OPEN PUBLIC COMMENT. ANYONE WANT TO REOPEN THAT? >> SEEING NONE. >> WE HAVE TWO PEOPLE. >> COME ON UP. SORRY. I MISSED. THIS GENTLEMAN WANTED TO TALK EARLIER. >> I WANT TO POINT OUT THIS FOR ANYTHING THAT MIGHT BE PERTDNANT. BUT IT REALLY DOESN'T PER TAIN TO ANY AGENDA ITEM. IT'S KIND OF AN OPEN PUBLIC COMMENT. >> I LIVE 3028 SOUTH BANK CIRCLE. GREEN COAST SPRING OFF SAND RIDGE ROAD. I MAKE PROPOSE ALFOR 180 UNIT. APARTMENT SITUATION 180 UNITS IS A WAY TO TAKE MAKE LIKE A DOUBLE STORY PARKING GARAGE FOR MORE VEHICLES TO PARK. AND ALSO IF NOT MAKE FOUR SMALLER ONE FOR THE BREEZEWAY EACH LEVEL SO THEY PACK ON THE APARTMENT THAT MIGHT BE IN HAVE BREEZE WAY TO WALK TO IT. >> THAT'S A GOOD IDEA. IT'S SOMETHING YOU SHOULD BRING UP AT THE BCC. >> AT THAT MEETING. I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO BE THERE. >> JUST A PROPOSAL. >> GOOD IDEA. THANK YOU. >> SIR? >> MA'AM. BETH LYNCH. FLEMING ISLAND. I MAENLT MEANT TO ASK EARLIER WHEN SOMEONE DEVELOPED THEIR PRIVATE LANN I THOUGHT SOMEONE CERTAIN IF IT WETLAND LET'S SAY IT HAS TO BE LEFT ALONE OR HAVE TO BUILD RETENTION POND. TOO MANY RULES TO TALK ABOUT. JUST LIKE 20% HAVE TO BE REMAIN. YOU KNOW, WOODED. ANYTHING LIKE THAT OR THEY CAN DO WHATEVER THEY WANT. EVEN IF WET LANDS. >> WOULD YOU I MEAN I KNOW THERE'S TONS OF REGULATION IN NUMBER OF REGULATING PARTIES. CORE OF ENGINEERS GOES DOWN THE LIST. DEPENDS ON WHAT BUT CHERISE MAY BE ABLE TO GIVE YOU A GOOD IDEA. THAT'S THE SHORT ANSWER. I WILL SAY I KNOW MISS BETH WELL. ONE OF MY FORMER STUDENTS BACK IN THE DAY. YES. ALL OF THAT STUFF IS VETTED BEFORE THEY CAN. THEY HAVE TO PROTECT WETLANDS. THERE'S A LOT. YOU'RE WELCOME TO COME TO OUR OFFICE ANY DAY AND WE CAN WALK YOU THROUGH. WE CAN WALK YOU THROUGH ANY EXAMPLE. >> OH, THANK YOU. >> ANOTHER SOURCE OF INFORMATION BECAUSE THAT'S HOW I ENDED UP UP HERE BEING READING SIGN AND BEING WORRIED ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE COMMUNITY. DRC. DEVELOPMENT REVIEW COMMITTEE. GET ON THAT E-MAIL LIST YOU WILL [01:55:01] KNOW EVERY SINGLE DEVELOPMENT. THAT'S SO NEELT. THANS SO MUCH. THEY ARE OPEN TO PUBLIC ALL GOVERNMENT MEETINGS AND IF YOU GO YOU WILL BE THE ONLY CIVILION IN THERE. >> SEEING NO ONE ELSE I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. OUR LAST ITEM OF BUSINESS IS [Old Business/New Business] REORGANIZATION. REORGANIZATION AND BEFORE WE GET IN THERE. AND LOOK FOR SOME NOMINATIONS. I WOULD WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT I WOULDN'T MIND BEING CHAIRMAN NEXT YEAR. I WILL THROW IT OUT THERE. >> [LAUGHTER] >> WELL, MAY I. I DID RECEIVE A TEXT MESSAGE EARLIER TODAY FROM OUR CURRENT CHAIRMAN. MICHAEL. AND HE SAID THAT HE IN TALLAHASSEE. HE'S IN LEGISLATIVE MEETING. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ALL DO THAT. HE WOULD LIKE TO PUT HIS NAME IN THE HAT TO CONTINUE TO RUN FOR THE POSITION. >> UH-HUH. >> SO I TOLD HIM THAT I WOULD NOMINATE HIM. I WILL PUT THAT. I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW TOO. PERSONALLY OVER THE YEARS WE'VE DONE THIS AND KIND OF A ODD WAY. IS THERE ANYONE THAT WOULD LIKE TO BE CHAIR? NEXT YEAR? THAT'S ON THIS BOARD? >> SO IT'S ME OR MIKE. SHALL WE TAKE A VOTE ON EACH ONE SEE WHO GETS THE MOST VOTES. >> MAY I ASK A QUESTION. I'VE ONLY SERVED ON THE COMMISSION FOR 18 MONTHS. I WAS WONDERING WHAT HAS BEEN THE PRACTICE. WHAT HAS BEEN CUSTOM MARE. WHAT I GATHERED AND WE'RE LIMITED BY THE SUNSHINE LAW FROM DISCUSSING OUR BUSINESS HERE IN THERE'S NO WAY TO GET AN EDUCATION ON THIS. BUT IT JUST APPEARED TO ME IN THIS BODY AND MANY LOCAL GOVERNMENT BODIES THAT THESE JOBS ARE ROTATED CUSTOMARILY ON ANNUAL BASIS. AND OUR BCC. IT WOULD LIKE TO BE EDUCATED TO THAT. FROM THOSE ON THE COMMISSION LONGER THAN I. >> WE ALWAYS DONE IN THE PAST. SOMEBODY NOMINATES A PERSON AND KIND OF LIKE WHOEVER GETS THEIR FIRST. I ALWAYS FELT LIKE SOME PEOPLE GET SHUT OUT. I WOULD LIKE TO SAY. I THINK THERE'S PEOPLE THAT WOULD LIKE TO DO IT. WHO GET SHUT OUT. THAT'S WHY I ASK. I KNOW MIKE IS INTERESTED. I'M INTERESTED. IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE ANYONE ELSE IS. WE'VE TRADITIONALLY JUST DONE NOMINATION. YOU DO A YES OR NO VOTE. THERE ARE OTHER BOARDS OR I'M SURE YOU ARE AWARE OF THIS WHERE THEY TAKE MULTIPLE NOMINATIONS AND THE HIGHEST VOTE WINS. THERE'S MORE THAN ONE WAY TO DO IT. TRADITIONALLY WE'VE TAKEN THE NOMINATION UP OR DOWN. >> MAY I? >> I DON'T KNOW IF THAT ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION COMPLETELY. BECAUSE AS YOU KNOW WHEN YOU JOINED I WAS CHAIRING FOR THREE CONSECUTIVE YEARS. AND I KNOW THAT BEFORE RALPH GOT OFF BEFORE HE CAME BACK ON. RALPH CHAIRED TWO CONSECUTIVE YEARS. THERE'S NO READ PATTERN. IF NO ONE ELSE WANT TO RUN AND YOU KNOW THAT CHAIRPERSON WANTS TO KEEP THE JOB. BASICALLY THEY COULD KEEP THE JOB. BUT YOU KNOW LIKE RALPH SAID IT'S KANTD OF NICE TO SEE LIKE FRONT. YOU'RE STILL RELATIVELY NEW BUT AT ONE POINT YOU MAY WANT TO TAKE THE JOB. YOU MAY WANT TO TAKE THE JOB. AND THEN OUR NEW GENTLEMAN MAY WANT TO DO IT AS WELL. IT TOOBLG ME TIME TO GET COMFORTABLE BEFORE I WOULD EVEN CONSIDER DOING THAT. MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO DO THAT TO TAKE THE VICE CHAIR'S POSITION AND LEARN FROM THE CHAIRMAN A LITTLE BIT MORE. N LIKE RALPH IS DOING THIS ILL EVENING. GIVES YOU AN OPPORTUNITY TO KIND OF GET PUT RIGHT TO THE FLYING PAN. YOU KNOW. JUST -- >> MR. NORTON. >> JUST AN OBSERVATION. WHY NOT USE A SUCCESS PLAN CONCEPT WHERE YOU MAKE YOUR DESIRE KNOWN. TO WHAT YOU SAY, JOE WHICH IS BECOME A VICE CHAIR. ULTIMATELY YOU WANT THE DO IT. YOU JUST SET A TERM. COUPLE OF YEARS IS CHAIRMAN. THEN TO STEP UP VICE CHAIRMAN. AND YOU ARE BASICALLY GROOMING YOUR SUCCESSOR. RATHER THAN HAPHAZARD WHO WANTS IT THIS YEAR. >> AND THAT'S WHY KIND OF THREW THIS. DONE ALL THAT GREAT. HAS BEEN- >> >> WE WILL TAKE SOME OF THE OFFERS. I'VE SEEN YOU CHAIR. YOU DO AN AWESOME JOB. MILE HAS DONE IT ONE YEAR. >> I HAVEN'T SEEN HIM. >> IT WOULD BE COMFORTABLE WITH EITHER ONE. >> IT'S REALLY A QUESTION OF IF YOU GUYS ARE OKAY WITH IT. [02:00:04] TAKE A VOTE. I'M CURRENTLY VICE CHAIR. MOST IMPORTANTLY I THINK FOR NEXT YEAR WE SHOULD SELECT THE VICE CHAIR WHO IS LOOKING TO BE A CHAIR. >> UH-HUH. >> I WOULD AGREE. >> ON ESTABLISHED TERMS. I DON'T THINK IT'S OUT OF LINE TO ESTABLISH TERMS. ONE OR TWO YEARS. >> I THINK WE CAN ADD THAT INTO OLD BUSINESS AND THAT HAVE DISCUSSION AT THE MEETING WHEN WE'RE ALL HERE TO LAY THAT OUT. AND THEN KIND OF MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THAT. AND PUT IT INTO WHATEVER DOCUMENTS WE NEED TO SO THAT MOVING FORWARD IT WOULD WORK THAT WAY. >> JUST TO AD-HOC AND PIECE IT TOGETHER. >> WE HAVE TWO NOMINEES. WE NEED SECONDS FOR THOSE NOMINATIONS. >> IF WE'RE OKAY WITH DOING IT THAT WAY. IT SEEMS TO BE WE ARE. SO YES. >> I WILL SECOND RALPH AS CHAIR. >> WE HAVE TWO NOMINATIONS ON THE FLOOR. >> WE CAN DO THAT. TAT'S ALLOWED. >> MY NOMINATION IS MIKE. I NEED A SECOND FOR MIKE. >> OKAY. >> I WOULD JUST ASK BY A SHOW OF HANDS WHO WOULD LIKE TO SEE MIKE REPEAT AS CHAIRMAN? ONE, TWO, THREE. FOUR. AND ALL RIGHT AND FOR ME. TO BE CHAIR. I THINK THAT'S THREE. MIKE WILL BE THE CHAIRMAN. AGAINST NEXT YEAR. >> I MAKE A MOTION FOR RALPH IF I COULD. >> TO BE VICE CHAIR FOR ONE MORE YEAR. >> SECOND THAT. >> ANYBODY ELSE INTERESTED IN THAT? IF NOT WE DON'T NEED TO VOTE IT'S AFFIRMATION. I WOULD LIKE TO FOLLOW UP ON JOE'S STATEMENT, THOUGH. LET'S TAKE SOMETIME. LET'S PUT IT ON THE AGENDA. TO TALK ABOUT HOW WE WANT TO HANDLE REORGANIZATION GOING FORWARD. IT'S CERTAINLY WITHIN OUR PERVIEW TO SET RULES FOR HOW WITH DO BUSINESS AS LONG AS THEY DON'T CONFLICT WITH ANY LAWS AND THAT KIND OF THING. IT MIGHT BE A GOOD IDEA TO DO IT. >> JUST DON'T DO IT ON NIGHT WHEN WE HAVE LIST THIS LONG. >> WE DON'T WANT TO BE HERE UNTIL 1:00 IN THE MORNING. THEN WE CAN TALK ABOUT WHAT WE BRING AND TALK ABOUT IT. >> I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT. I LIKE BOTH OF YOU. SO I APOLOGIZE THAT I COULDN'T DO THAT. HAVING CHAIRED A PUBLIC BOARD IN THE PAST I DO THINK YOU GET SOME BENEFIT OUT OF SOMEBODY DOING IT AFTER THEY'VE DONE IT FIST YEAR AND WANT TO DO IT ANOTHER YEAR. I THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE TO GIVE THEM THAT OPPORTUNITY. AND I LOOK FORWARD TO SERVING UNDER YOU AS CHAIR. >> AND THANK YOU FOR THE EXAMPLE YOU SET IN THE HELP YOU HAVE BEEN TO ME. >> THANK YOU. THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO BRING UP NOT ON THE AGENDA. KELLY YOU GOT THAT. NEXT YEAR IT BE REPEAT. MIKE WILL BE CHAIR MONEY. I WILL BE VICE, AGAIN. IS THERE ARE TWO THINGS THAT ARE AT LEAST ONE THAT I WOULD REALLY LIKE US TO TRY TO DO THIS YEAR. AND THIS IS DIRECTED MORE TO MR. LEHMAN OR CHERISE WHEN SHE RECOVERS. IS TO TRY TO GET -- BECAUSE WE HAVE TWO NEW MEMBERS. ACTUALLY I THINK WE HAVE SIX MEMBERS WHO HAVE NEVER HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO GO TO PLANNING OFFICIALS TRAINING. WE NEED TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN. THERE'S A GREAT DEAL OF GOOD INFORMATION THAT'S PROVIDED DURING THAT. NOW THAT BELINDA HAS DEPARTED. I THINK I'M THE ONLY ONE THAT'S BEEN THROUGH THAT TRAINING. >> I HAVEN'T. IF I COULD SAY THAT THIS YEAR THE FLORIDA PLANNING AND ZONING ASSOCIATION CONFERENCE WHICH I ALWAYS HAVE A PLANNING OFFICIALS TRAINING IS IN ST. AUGUSTINE. CAN YOU CHECK ON THAT AND SEE IF GENE WILL TEACH THE CLASS? >> BUT IT'S THE SAME BASIC CLASS REGARDLESS WHO TOUCHES. >> IT'S CONDENSED ON HOW MUCH HE TEACHES. >> WE HAD THAT DISCUSSION ABOUT THE NEW MEMBERS COMING ON. SOME OF THE NEWER MEMBERS STILL WANTED TO DO IT. IF YOU COULD GIVE US A DATE LIKE EVEN E-MAIL IT OUT SO THAT WE CAN PUT ON THE CALENDAR AND BLOCK IT OUT. IT'S JUST GOOD TRAINING. IT GIVES YOU A THIRD PARTY VIEW FROM PEOPLE IN THE PLANNING INDUSTRY. YOU GET A LITTLE BIT OF THE LEGAL BASIS ON STUFF. YOU GET A LITTLE BIT OF THAT [02:05:06] WOULD BE GREAT. WE HAVE A COUPLE OF NEW MEMBERS. ANYTHING YOU WANT TO THROW IN? >> EXACTLY. >> ANYTHING MR. LAYMAN FROM YOU BEFORE WE DEPART? >> NEXT MONTH IS NOT OVERLY CROWDED AGENDA. WE CAN PROPOSE SOME CHANGES TO THE CODE THAT ADDRESSES OUR BI LAWS TO ADDRESS THE CHAIRMANSHIP IF YOU WOULD LIKE. >> OKAY. IN THE NEXT MEETING IS MARCH 3RD. IF THERE'S NOTHING ELSE THEN I BELIEVE WE WILL STAND * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.