[CALL TO ORDER]
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>> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: WE'LL GO AHEAD AND GET OUR MEETING STARTED. FOR THOSE THAT WANT TO JOIN WITH US, COMMISSIONER BOLLA IS GOING TO GIVE THE INVOCATION TONIGHT. SO, COMMISSIONER?
>> COMMISSIONER BOLLA:. PLEASE BOW YOUR HEADS. GOD OF OUR FATHERS, PLEASE GIVE US THE WISDOM TO KNOW YOUR WILL AND THE COURAGE TO CARRY IT OUT HERE ON EARTH. AMEN.
>> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: WHILE WE'RE STILL STANDING IT'S MY PLEASURE TO INTRODUCE CAPTAIN PAUL HAWS SITTING IN THE FRONT ROW, RETIRED U.S. NAVY. I WANT TO SAY 40 YEARS. IS THAT CORRECT SIR? THAT IS A LONG TIME. TWO TOURS IN VIETNAM, COMBAT MEDIC, COMBAT DOCTOR. NUMEROUS OTHER THINGS.
WE'RE JUST GLAD TO HAVE YOU WITH US HERE TONIGHT. AND WE'RE GOING TO ASK HIM IF HE WOULD TO LEAD US IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE OF OUR FLAG. CAPTAIN, IF YOU'LL JUST COME UP TO THE MICROPHONE
AND CONTINUE FROM THERE. >> SPEAKER: MY FIRST COMMENT WOULD BE ANOTHER THANKS TO THE COMMISSIONERS. THIS IS INDEED A PRIVILEGE AND A REAL HONOR FOR RETIREES AND VETERANS AND ACTIVE DUTY PERSONNEL TO COME IN AND OPEN THIS MEETING. SO, YOU HAVE MY SINCEREST APPRECIATION AND ADMIRATION. I WOULD -- HOW MANY VETERANS DO WE HAVE IN THE ROOM? LET ME HAVE A SHOW OF HANDS.
GOOD. 1988 CONGRESS AUTHORIZED US TO RENDER OUR HAND SALUTE DURING THE PLEDGE. AND I WOULD ASK ALL VETS IN THIS ROOM TO JOIN ME. LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, HAND SALUTE STILL STANDING I WOULD ASK IF YOU COULD EASE DOWN THAT WAY AND MAYBE GET THAT THANK YOU CERTIFICATE FOR THE CAPTAIN AND PRESENT IT TO HIM. THAT WOULD BE WONDERFUL. ALL FIVE COMMISSIONERS ARE PRESENT. NONE ABSENT. SO, WE'LL START OUT TONIGHT ON OUR AGENDA WITH A
[A MOMENT IN HISTORY]
MOMENT IN HISTORY. COMMISSIONER GAVIN? >> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: ONE DAY LATE BUT YESTERDAY WE HAD THE HOOCAUST REMEMBRANCE. IT WAS THE ANNIVERSARY OF THE LIBERATION OF VARIOUS CONCENTRATION CAMPS. I THINK THE KEY PHRASE FROM THAT IS" NEVER AGAIN." AS WE REFLECT ON THE MILLIONS OF LIVES THAT WERE HOAR RIFFCALLY KILLED AND SLAUGHTERED BY THE NAZI OPPRESSION, WE HAVE TO -- WHETHER IT IS THE HOLOCAUST MUSEUM IN D.C. OR IN ISRAEL WE HAVE TO REMEMBER ACROSS THE BOARD THAT A NATION THAT DEVALUES LIFE IS A NATION
THAT SHOULD NOT LONG ENDURE AND NEVER AGAIN LET THAT HAPPEN. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: IT SURPRISES ME THERE ARE SOME STILL EVEN IN OUR COUNTRY THAT SAY THAT NEVER HAPPENED.
>> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: ANTI-SEMITISM UNFORTUNATELY IS STILL VERY MUCH PRESENT AROUND THE WORLD AND ENCOURAGING SIGNS AT THE NATIONAL LEVEL AND A MOVE TO PEACE IN THE MIDDLE EAST.
>> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: THANK YOU COMMI COMMISSIONER GAVIN. ARTWORK.
[ARTWORK]
DEBBIE CHERRY ELEMENTARY. JACKIE? >> SPEAKER: YES. THE PRINCIPAL AT THE SCHOOL IS ANGIE WHITEN. THE ART TEACHER IS ERICA LOCK NER. THE FIRST PIECE OF ART IS BY JOSIAH COMBS. HE IS IN FIRST GRADE. IT'S MIXED-MEDIA. NEXT JAY LEN TAMERRON, SECOND GRADE, CRAYON. AGNUS MATEENA, FOURTH GRADE COLORED PENCIL. HELENA LOCKNER SIXTH GRADE, COLORED PENCIL. THE LAST PIECE IS BY ANGEL AND IT'S POINTED. AND TROY HAS THE NEXT PRESENTATION.
>> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: IF YOU'D COME UP I THINK WE HAVE A SPECIAL PRESENTATION FOR A
VALUED MESH OF OUR -- MEMBER OF OUR LIBRARY SYSTEM. >> SPEAKER: YES IF I COULD HAVE DR. DIANE OILER COME. SHE HAS GRACIOUSLY DONATED HER AFRICAN ART COLLECTION TO THE LIBRARY
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SYSTEM. IT IS CURRENTLY PARTS OF IT ON DISPLAY AT THE ORANGE PARK LIBRARY. AND WE HAVE A SHORT POWER POINT SHE IS GOING TO GO THROUGH TO TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE PIECES. THANK YOU.>> SPEAKER: THANK YOU. I COLLECTED THESE ITEMS THAT YOU WILL SEE WHILE DOING MY RESEARCH AND TRAVELING IN AFRICA WHILE WORKING ON MY PHD AT THE UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA IN AFRICAN HISTORY WITH A MINOR IN AFRICAN HUMANITIES. I SPENT TIME IN NINE OF THE FIFTEEN COUNTRIES IN WEST AFRICA, ETHIOPIA IN EAST AFRICA. THE WESTERN CAPE IN SOUTH AFRICA AND CAIRO IN EGYPT. I COLLECTED CULTURAL AND HISTORICAL PIECES, TREASURES FOR MY CLASSROOM. THESE ARE TEN OF THE ITEMS FROM THE COLLECTION THAT WE'RE SHOWING TODAY. ITEM NUMBER 1 IS CHUARA MASKS CREATED BY THE ETHNIC GROUP OF MALI. THIS IS THE ANTELOPE THEY USE IN DANCES AND RITUALS ASSOCIATED WITH FERTILITY OF THE SOIL. IT REPRESENTS A MYTHICAL DIVINE BEING THAT TAUGHT THEM HOW TO FARM. THIS IS A BRASS SCULPTURE, A REPRESENTATION OF A DRUMMER FROM THE ASHANTI GROUP IN GHANA.
THIS DRUM WHOSE REAL SIZE COULD BE WAIST HIGH. AS YOU CAN SEE IT LOOKS THAT WAY IN THE REPRESENTATION THERE. IT'S USED TO COMMUNICATE ASHANTE ROYAL MESSAGES TO THE PEOPLE. ITEM NUMBER 3 HERE IS AN EBONY BANGLE BRACELET FROM GUINEA. IF YOU NOTICE THE WHITE WOOD THERE? WE NORMALLY THINK OF EBONY AS BLACK WOOD BUT THE TREES HAVE A COMINATION OF BLACK AND WHITE WOOD. AND THE ROYAL EBONY IS NATIVE TO WEST AFRICA AND HAS EXTREME COLOR VARIATIONS. THE TREES TAKE A LONG TIME TO GROW BUT THEY DON'T GET VERY BIG. OUR NEXT PIECE IS A FRAMED MUD CLOTH FROM MALI. AGAIN, THIS IS FROM THE BOMANA ETHNIC GROUP. THE CLOTH IS CALLED MUD CLOTH BECAUSE THE TRADITIONAL FABRIC IS DYED WITH FRAY MEANTED MUD AND PLANT DYES. THE CLOTH IS COTTON THAT'S GROWN LOCALLY. AND IT'S NORMAL COLOR IS THE BEIGE THAT YOU SEE THERE. THE FABRIC IS -- THIS FABRIC IS WOVEN INTO STRIPS AS YOU CAN SEE AND THEN THE ANTELOPE ARE PAINTED ON TO IT. ITEM NUMBER 5 IS A CARVED HEAD WALL MASK BY THE ETHNIC GROUP. THIS IS THE ONLY PIECE I DID NOT COLLECT MYSELF. TEACHING AT FAYETTEVILLE UNIVERSITY IN FAYETTEVILLE, NORTH CAROLINA I ALSO TAUGHT ON FORT BRAGG. AND I TAUGHT MEMBERS OF THE THIRD SPECIAL FORCES GROUP FOR AFRICA.
AND ONE OF THE MEMBERS GAVE THIS PARTICULAR PIECE TO ME. THIS IS A PRAYER BOOK FROM ETHIOPIA.
GAEZ IS THE EARLY LANGUAGE AND WRITING SYSTEM FOR JEEP OWN YEAH. IT IS ONLY -- JEEP OATH YEAH. IT IS ONLY SPOKEN BY THE PRIEST IN THE EITHER YAP -- JEEP YOETSDZIAN CHURCH. BUT THE FIRST WRITING SYSTEM IS STILL IN USE TODAY. IT'S BEEN DIGITIZED AND ALL OF THEIR DOCUMENTS ARE DONE IN THE -- ARE WRITTEN IN GAEZ. THIS IS A POWDERY SCULPTURE OF A WOMAN CARRYING A CHILD AND HEADLIGHTING A POT. THIS PIECE IS UNUSUAL BECAUSE MUSLIM SOCIETY, WE DON'T SEE WOMEN DEPICTED IN THE ART. AND IN EGYPT, MEN DO THE HEAD LOADING. WOMEN CARRY THEIR LOADS ON THEIR SHOULDERS. HERE WE SEE SMALL FALANI, EARRINGS. NOW THESE ARE THE BEGINNING OF AN EARRING FOR THE WOMEN. I BOUGHT THESE TO BRING BACK SO STUDENTS COULD ACTUALLY HOLD ON TO THEM.
THE REAL ONES ARE GOLD. A FALANI WOMAN DEMONSTRATES HER WEALTH IN HER EARRINGS. SHE MIGHT BE GIVEN A LARGE PAIR OF GOLD EARRINGS WHEN SHE GETS MARRIED BY HER HUSBAND. SHE MAY INHERIT EARRINGS FROM HER MOTHER. OR IF SHE IS A MARKET WOMAN SHE MAY TAKE PROCEEDS FROM HER SALES AND
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BUY GOLD TO BE ADDED TO HER EARRINGS. BUT THE EARRINGS THE LARGER THEY GET MEANS HOW W WEALTHY YOU ARE. HERE WE HAVE A SMALL COLORED GRASS WOVEN BASKET BY THE GARAGI ETHNIC GROUP. IN SOCIETY THEY'RE SEEN AS FUNCTIONAL AND DECORATIVE. THIS IS A TALKING DRUM THAT I BOUGHT IN SIERRA LEONE. BUT TALKING DRUMS ARE FOUND ALL OVER AFRICA. IT IS AN HOUR GLASS SHAPE AND ITS PITCH CAN BE ALTERED TO MIMIC TONE AND INTOE NATION IN HUMAN SPEECH. SO THEY TALK. AND IT HAS TWO DRUM HEADS CONNECTED BY THE CORD YOU SEE. AND THE DRUMMER WILL HOLD IT BETWEEN HIS ARM AND HIS CHEST AND CHANGE THE PITCH WHILE HE IS DRUMMING. SO, I WANTED TO BRING THESE ITEMS TO CLAY COUNTY. THIS IS JUST A FEW. I COULD NOT HAVE COMPLETED THE PHD OR MADE THE TRAVELS WITHOUT THE SUPPORT OF CLAY COUNTY SCHOOLS BECAUSE IN MY FIRST LIFE I TAUGHT IN PUBLIC SCHOOLS.15 YEARS IN CLAY COUNTY. AND I TAUGHT AT ORANGE PARK MIDDLE, ORANGE PARK JUNIOR, DEPENDING UPON WHICH YEAR IT WAS, MIDDLEBURG HIGH SCHOOL AND THE YEAR THAT HAD TO WAIT WHILE THERE WAS A CIVIL WAR GOING ON IN AFRICA WHERE I WAS GOING, I TAUGHT AT BANNERMAN. SO HOW IS THIS POSSIBLE? WHILE TEACHING IN CLAY COUNTY SCHOOLS I WAS ABLE TO SECURE A YEAR OF SA BAT ACAL AND TWO YEARS OF LEAVE TO COMPLETE MY DEGREE. MY FULL INTENTION WAS TO COME BACK TO CLAY COUNTY SCHOOLS BUT AS THE SAYING GOES IT IS A GOOD PLAN BUT IT DID NOT WORK OUT THAT WAY. AND I EVENTUALLY WENT INTO THE UNIVERSITY SYSTEM. SO, AFTER 15 YEARS TEACHING AT FAY AVILLE STATE IN NORTH CAROLINA, THE OTHER FSU, I WANTED TO SHARE THESE ARTIFACTS WITH THE ORANGE PARK LIBRARY PATRONS AND THE COUNTY CONSTITUENTS, ESPECIALLY TEACHERS AND STUDENTS. THESE ITEMS HAVE BEEN IMPORTANT IN TEACHING MY STUDENTS IN CLAY COUNTY AND IN THE COURSES THAT I TAUGHT AT THE UNIVERSITY LEVEL. SO, I'D LIKE TO INVITE YOU ALL TO THE ORANGE PARK LIBRARY TO
SEE THE MANY ITEMS IN THEIR NEW COLLECTION. THANK YOU. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: DR. OYLOR SOUNDS LIKE A GREAT EXPERIENCE. IS THERE A BOOK IN THE MAKING ON THIS MAYBE?
>> SPEAKER: WELL I DID WRITE A BOOK FOR THE RESEARCH THAT I DID. AND I WAS ALWAYS GOING TO DO ONE THAT WAS KIND OF LIKE MY EXPERIENCES BUT I WAS ALWAYS DOING THE WORK FOR -- UNIVERSITY WORK AND I NEVER GOT AROUND TO DOING THAT BOOK THAT WAS GOING TO BE TITLED "AT THE CORNER OF
WALK AND DON'T WALK." >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: DID YOU EVER MAKE IT INTO TEMBOUCTOU?
>> SPEAKER: I DID. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: WELL THANK YOU SO MUCH. LET'S GIVE THIS LADY A ROUND OF APPLAUSE FOR HER EFFORTS. [APPLAUSE] AND WE HAVE A LITTLE CERTIFICATE HERE JUST TO PROVE THAT YOU CAME TODAY AND DID THIS GRACIOUS DEED
FOR US. >> SPEAKER: THANK YOU SO MUCH. >> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: I GOT A SA BAT CAL IN AFRICA AS WELL. IT WAS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT [LAUGHTER]
>> SPEAKER: WHO HAD THE SA BAT CAL. >> COMMISSIONER: I DID IN DJIBOUTI, TANZANIA, SOUTH SUDAN AND LITTLE BIT OF ETHIOPIA AND UGANDA FOR MILITARY STUFF. WE WERE WATCHING ETHIOPIA VERY CLOSELY IT WAS WHEN THE RIOTS WERE HAPPENING. OBVIOUSLY IT'S
SETTLED DOWN A LITTLE BIT NOW BUT THE PROTESTS. >> SPEAKER: WELL THERE IS A BIG QUESTION NOW. WE HAVE THE PRIME MINISTER RECEIVING THE PEACE PRIZE BUT THEN THERE'S SO MUCH AGITATION GOING ON WITHIN THE COUNTRY ITSELF THAT IT'S LIABLE TO BE ANOTHER YUGOSLAVIA AND
BREAK APART. >> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: WE HAD TO CANCEL CERTAIN MILITARY
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COORDINATION EFFORTS BECAUSE WE DIDN'T WANT THEM TO USE THAT TO SUPPRESS THEIR OWN PEOPLE. LET'STALK OFF-LINE SOMETIME. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: THANK YOU, DOCTOR. WE'RE DOWN TO PET
[PET ADOPTIONS]
ADOPTIONS. JACKIE? WHO DO WE HAVE TONIGHT? THERE IT IS. I DIDN'T SEE THE DOG.>> SPEAKER: THE YOUNGEST RESIDENT OF CLAY COUNTY ANIMAL SERVICES. NINE WEEKS OLD. THEY CALL LER CHECKERS. WHEN YOU ADROPPED FROM CLAY COUNTY ANIMAL SERVICES THEY COME WITH ALL OF THEIR SHOTS. THEY'RE MICRO CHIPPED. SHE WILL BE SPAYED TOMORROW. SHE WOULD USE A GOOD HOME. A LOT OF REALLY GREAT ANIMALS THERE. THERE'S A PRETTY SKINNY HORSE THAT IS LOOKING FOR A HOME OVER AT ANIMAL SERVICES. A LOT OF GOOD DOGS AND CATS BUT THIS ONE IS A REAL SWEAT HEART.
SHE IS THE YOUNGEST RESIDENT AND IF YOU ARE IN THE MARKET FOR A NEW FAMILY MEMBER, SHE SEEMS TO BE PRETTY CHILL. A NICE LITTLE DOG. SEE EVERYBODY? CHECKERS. THANK YOU.
>> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: DID OUR PHOTOGRAPHER SHOW UP? NO PHOTOGRAPHER? OH RIGHT ANALISE.
[PRESENTATIONS]
MOVING ON WITH SPECIAL PRESENTATIONS. MY PLEASURE NOW TO INTRODUCE A GENTLEMAN WHO HAS BEEN AROUND A LONG TIME IN FLORIDA. MIKE HARDEE WHO IS THE CURRENT PRESIDENT OF THE FBI NATIONAL ACADEMY OF ASSOCIATES OF FLORIDA AND RETIRED MEMBER OF THE -- RETIRED MAJOR FROM THE CLAY COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE AND NOW RESIDING OVER IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY. SO, HE HAS A PRESENTATION TO MAKE. MIKE, IF YOU WANT TO COME UP AND MAN THE MICROPHONE YOU ARE IN GOODSHAPE, BROTHER. >> SPEAKER: THANK YOU, SIR. YOU FOLKS WANTED TO SIT DOWN THIS IS GOING TO TAKE ABOUT 20 MINUTES [LAUGHTER] NO I'VE TIMED. IT WON'T BE THAT LONG. MR. CHAIRMAN AND DISTINGUISHED MEMBERS OF THE CLAY COUNTY BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS, MY NAME IS MIKE HARDEE, I AM THE PRESIDENT OF THE FLORIDA CAPITAER OF FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION NATIONAL ACADEMY ASSOCIATES. THE FBI NATIONAL ACADEMY ASSOCIATION IS A NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION OF 17,000 SENIOR LAW ENFORCEMENT PROFESSIONALS DEDICATED TO PROVIDING OUR COMMUNITIES, STATES, COUNTRIES AND PROFESSION WITH THE HIGHEST DEGREE OF LAW ENFORCEMENT EXPERTISE, TRAINING AND EDUCATION AND INFORMATION. WE ARE THE STRONGEST LAW ENFORCEMENT LEADERSHIP NETWORK IN THE WORLD AND ARE DEDICATED TO STRENGTHENING THE RULE OF LAW AROUND THE GLOBE. MEMBERS ARE GRADUATES OF THE FBI'S PRESTIGIOUS NATIONAL ACADEMY PROGRAM REPRESENTING ALL 50 STATES, 170 COUNTRIES AND OVER 7,500 LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES.
THERE'S OVER 50,000 GRADUATES WHO HAVE COMPLETED THE FBI NATIONAL ACADEMY PROGRAM TO DATE. OUR MISSION IS TO IMPACT COMMUNITIES PROVIDING AND PROMOTING LAW ENFORCEMENT LEADERSHIP THROUGH TRAINING AND NETWORKING. OUR VISION IS A CONTINUOUS DEVELOPMENT OF THE WORLD'S STRONGEST LAW ENFORCEMENT NETWORK IN THE WORLD. EACH YEAR THE FLORIDA FBI NATIONAL ACADEMY ASSOCIATES RECOGNIZES ONE OF THEIR MEMBERS WHO HAS DEMONSTRATED BY THEIR TIRELESS EFFORTS THE HIGH DEGREE OF PROFESSIONALISM BY PROMOTING, DEVELOPING AND IMPLEMENTING IDEAS AND PROGRAMS THAT HAVE IMPACTED THE COMMUNITY IN A POSITIVE WAY. THE DOUG MOLL DUNE ACHIEVEMENT AWARD IS GIVEN TO A MEMBER WHO HAS CONTRIBUTED TO THE INCREASED MEMBERSHIP, TRAINING INITIATIVES AND LEADERSHIP. THIS AWARD REPRESENTS OUR CORE VALUES AT THE HIGHEST LEVEL. NOMINEES ARE SELECTED BY THE MEMBERSHIP AND VETTED BY THE COMMITTEE THEN PRESENTED TO THE EXECUTIVE BOARD FOR SELECTION. THE 2019 RECIPIENT OF THE DOUG MULL DUNE ACHIEVEMENT AWARD DEVELOPED AND IMPLEMENTED FLORIDA'S FIRST YOUTH LEADERSHIP ACADEMY THAT ALLOWS 16 WELL QUALIFIED BOYS AND GIRLS TO ATTEND A ONE-WEEK LEADERSHIP SUMMIT AT CAMP BLANDING. THESE YOUNG PEOPLE WERE EXPOSED TO TOP TIER LAW ACROSS THE STATE. ALL GRADUATED WITH THE DISTINCTION OF BEING THE FIRST GRADUATES OF THE FLORIDA YOUTH LEADERSHIP
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ACADEMY. FOR HIS DEDICATION TO THE YOUTH OF THIS STATE AND HIS TIRELESS EFFORTS TO DIRECT AND MANAGE THIS AMAZING PROGRAM, IT IS MY HONOR AND PLEASURE TO RECOGNIZE CHAIRMAN GAYWARD HENDRY, A GRADUATE OF THE FBI NATIONAL ACADEMY SESSION 182, PAST PRESIDENT OF THE FLORIDA FBI NATIONAL ACADEMY ASSOCIATES, COUNSELOR AND INSTRUCTOR FOR THE YOUTH LEADERSHIP PROGRAM AT THE QUANTICO, VIRGINIA. HE DID THAT FOR 15 YEARS AND HE SERVED AS DIRECTOR FOR 7 YEARS. CHAIRMAN HENDRY HAS SERVED THE STATE AND THE COMMUNITY AS A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER FOR OVER 40 YEARS. AND TO PRESENT HIM WITH THE 2019 DOUG MULDUNE ACHIEVEMENT AWARD. THANK YOU.[APPLAUSE] CONGRATULATIONS. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: THANK YOU,
MIKE. >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: WELL DONE.
>> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: THANK YOU. I I WAS TELLING CHAIRMAN HUTCHINGS THAT WAS WELL DESERVE. ONLY TOOK ME 18 YEARS TO GET IT. IF YOU STICK AROUND LONG ENOUGH AND TRY TO DO GOOD THINGS GOOD THINGS HAPPEN. BE SAFE DRIVING HOME, MIKE. NEXT THE OVERVIEW OF THE JACKSONVILLE AVIATION. RUSTY
CHANDLER. ARE YOU WITH US? >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: WE CAN RETURN TO THE PODIUM.
>> SPEAKER: THANK YOU. AS THE POWER POINT PULLS UP, THANK YOU AGAIN. IT'S PROBABLY BEEN THREE YEARS SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE. IT LIKE TO DO IT ANNUALLY BUT IT'S PROBABLY TOO MUCH FOR YOU BUT I LIKE TO COME EVERY COUPLE YEARS AND JUST GIVE YOU AN UPDATE OF WHAT'S HAPPEN AT CECIL AIRPORT.
PRIMARILY BECAUSE A LOT OF OUR WORKFORCE AND WE ESTIMATE 59 PERCENT OF THE WORKFORCE COMES FROM CLAY COUNTY. AND SO WE'RE [INAUDIBLE] MOST OF THE PEOPLE THAT WORK FOR THE JAA THERE ARE CLAY COUNTY RESIDENTS AS AM MYSELF. SO THE OVERVIEW OF CECIL AIRPORT. THIS PICTURE GIVES YOU AN INDICATION OF WHAT WAS TRANSFERRED FROM THE MILITARY. 17,000 ACRES FROM NES CECIL FIELD. YOU CAN SEE THE YELLOW AREA THAT HAS THE JACKSONVILLE AVIATION AUTHORITY.
THEN THE CITY OF JACKSONVILLE ON THE GOLD SIDE. FOR THE CITY THEY HAVE HILL WOOD AS BRANDED AS A LINES TO DEVELOP THEIR PART OF -- SOME OF THEIR PART OF THE TRANSFERRED PROPERTY. AS YOU WOULD KNOW THERE'S BRIDGESTONE, SAF, FEDEX GROUND, GE OIL, AMAZON AND SOON TO BE OPEN WAY FAIR. THEY'VE DONE A REALLY GOOD JOB ABOUT 3.5 MILLION SQUARE FEET UNDER ROOF AND THEY'RE DEVELOPING MORE AS TIME GOES ON. THE JAA, WE OPERATE 6,000 ACRES OF THE AIRPORT. THERE'S A MAP OF DUVAL COUNTY IN THE LIGHT PURPLE COLOR. OUT TO THE WEST YOU SEE CECIL COMMERCE CENTER. IT REPRESENTS THREE PERCENT OF THE TOTAL COUNTY. AND THAT IS THE LARGEST SINGLE ENTITY WITHIN DUVAL COUNTY ITSELF AND IT BORDERS RIGHT UP AGAINST CLAY COUNTY. I OFTEN TELL PEOPLE WE HAD OUR TRAVEL POLICY CHANGED WHEN WE TOOK OVER CECIL AIRPORT BECAUSE WHEN WE WENT OUT OF DUVAL COUNTY WE USED TO HAVE TO DO A TRAVEL VOUCHER. FOR MY FOLKS TO DO A PERIMETER CHECK WHICH THEY GOT TO DO FIVE TIMES A DAY WE'D HAVE TO DO FIVE TRAVEL CHOUCHERS BECAUSE WE'D GO ON TO CLAY COUNTY AS THE PASSED THE SOUTHERN SIDE OF IT. A SLIDE WITH A LOT OF INFORMATION.
WHAT'S THAT MEAN? PROBABLY DOESN'T MEAN TOO MUCH TO TOO MANY PEOPLE HERE. BUT FOR US IN THE AIRPORT WORLD IT MEANS A LOT. IT MEANS THAT IT'S -- THIS AIRPORT OFTEN REFERRED TO AS A BEAST. IT IS A NATIONAL ASSET. THERE'S PROBABLY FIVE IN THE NATION THAT HAS THIS CAPABILITY,
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THIS AMOUNT OF FOOTPRINT, RUNWAY AND CAPABILITY. AS YOU SEE LISTED ON THE LEFT SIDE IS SOME OF THE ATTRIBUTES. AND IT PROVIDES EVERYTHING FOR AN AIRPORT IT HAS EVERYTHING THAT A FLIGHT CREW, A BUSINESS, GENERAL AVIATION OPERATION, MILITARY OPERATION NEEDS TO EXIST OUT AT AN AIRPORT. SLIDE SHOWS MANY DIFFERENT TENANTS WE HAVE OUT THERE. IT'S KIND OF A GOOD NEWS/BAD NEWS. GOOD NEWS IT'S ALL LEASED OUT. BAD NEWS IS, IT'S ALL LEASED OUT. WE HAVE TO BUILD MORE. SO, WE'VE DONE THAT. IN THE PAST 20 YEARS, AND LAST OCTOBER WE CELEBRATED OUR 20TH YEAR AT CECIL. ON THE JAA SIDE, THAT 6,000-ACRE SIDE OF OUR PROPERTY, WE'VE INVESTED OVER $190 MILLION. AND I LIST OUR PARTNERS UP THERE, THE JAA STANDS FOR JACKSONVILLE AVIATION AUTHORITY. ABOUT $90 MILLION. THE FAA WAS A BIG PARTNER UP FRONT WITH THE MILITARY AIRPORT TRANSITION PROGRAM. THEY'VE INVESTED ABOUT $42 MILLION. FDOT REALLY HELPING US OUT AT ALMOST $50 MILLION. 9.1 ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OFFICE OF TOURISM AND TRADE AND THE GOVERNMENT SERVICES AND ADMINISTRATION AS PEOPLE LEASE FROM US THEN THEY PUT THE MONEY BACK INTO THE PROPERTY. THEN SPACE FLORIDA RECENTLY JUST ACCEPTED $1.8 MILLION GRANT FROM THEM AND THEY HOPE TO GET MORE AS THE SPACEPORT TAKES OFF. WHEN WE TOOK OVER THAT PROPERTY, THE JAA AND THE CITY IN 1999, WE HAD LITTLE OVER A MILLION SQUARE FEET OF ROOF. FOR THE FIRST FIVE TO SIX YEARS WE PUT A LOT OF MONEY BACK INTO THE INFRASTRUCTURE AS I SHOWED YOU IN THE PREVIOUS SLIDE. A THE LAW OF FUNDS WENT INTO IT. THE NAVY KNEW THEY WERE LEAVING ABOUT SIX YEARS AHEAD OF TIME. WE HAD TO PUT LIGHTS, PAVEMENT, ROOFS, NAVIGATION WAYS, FENCING. A TON OF STUFF. IN 2005 WE HAD LEASED OUT ALL OF OUR SPACE. ALL THE BUILDINGS WE INHERITED WE HAD LEASED THEM. SO WE HAD TO DEVELOP MORE. AS AN AIRPORT, IF YOU DIDN'T KNOW, IT IS A USER-BASED INDUSTRY. WE HAD TO GENERATE OUR OWN MONEY. WE GET ZERO TAX DOLLARS. SO WE HAVE TO GENERATE OUR OWN MONEY. SO, IN MAY OF 2005 WE STARTED CONSTRUCTING MORE FACILITIES.NOW THERE'S AN ECONOMIC DOWNTURN WHEN A LOT OF THE AIRPORTS LOST A LOT OF THEIR BUSINESS BUT CECIL KEPT MOVING FORWARD. AND THAT'S NOT JUST BECAUSE OF THE CECIL AIRPORT OR OUR MANAGEMENT.
IT'S THE FACILITIES. IT'E LOCATION OF THE FACILITY. IT'S THE LOCATION OF THE RAILS.
LOCATION OF THE HIGHWAY SYSTEM. ALL THAT COMES INTO PERFECT PLAY AND WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO DEVELOP IT. WE HAVE DEVELOPED ANOTHER 560,000 SQUARE FEET ON THE AIR SIDE. WE'VE GROWN OUR FOOTPRINT ABOUT 60 PERCENT. OUR NUMBERS OUT THERE ON ANY ONE GIVEN DAY PROBABLY AROUND 4,500 WORKERS.
ABOUT 60% COME FROM CLAY COUNTY AS I SAID BEFORE. SOME OF THE EXTRA STUFF THAT YOU DON'T SEE ON THE PREVIOUS SLIDE OR DIDN'T IS ONE OF THE NEW FIRE STATIONS. THE LARGEST IN JACKSONVILLE.
HAZ-MAT, LADDER COMPANY. IT HELPED CLAY AND WESTERN DUVAL COUNTY BECAUSE IT LOWERED THE ISO INSURANCE RATINGS FROM A 10 TO 2, 3 AND 4. WHICH IF YOU ARE A PROPERTY OWNER IT SAVES YOU A LOT OF MONEY ANNUAL OY ON YOUR INSURANCE. NEXT TO IT IS A 911 BACK-UP CALL CENTER FOR THE CITY OUT THERE AS WELL. GREAT STATE OF OUR FACILITY. PLEA -- WONDERFUL NEW LOCATION. WE'RE ALSO BUILDING A NEW AIR TRAFFIC CONTROL TOWER. THE TOWER WE HAVE IS A VINTAGE 1960S TOWER PUT ON TOP OF OUR ADMINISTRATIVE BUILDING. WE ARE GOING TO TAKE THAT, DEMO IT. THAT IS BEING CONSTRUCTED AS WE SPEAK. WHAT LOOKS LIKE A GARAGE TO THE RIGHT SIDE OF IT, A GARAGE DOOR IS ACTUALLY COLORED GLASS. HOPEFULLY IT WILL LOOK BETTER WHEN YOU ARE STANDING NEXT TO IT. BUT THAT'S THE SPACEPORT OPERATION CENTER WHERE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE MISSION CONTROL FOR OUR LAUNCHES. ALSO, I WAS TALKING TO SOME GENTLEMAN EARLIER ABOUT THIS, THEY'RE PROPOSING A BIKE TRAIL AND WANTING TO GO ON THE WEST SIDE. BUT THE EAST SIDE OF THE AIRPORT AND IF YOU SEE THE -- I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN SEE THIS. THIS IS WHERE THE PROPER IS. THIS IS THE EAST SIDE WHERE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE NON-AERONAUTICAL DEVELOPMENT. THAT'S NOT SO MUCH BECAUSE OF THE FIRST COAST EXPRESSWAY BUT BECAUSE OF THE DEVELOPMENT IN OAK LEAF AND THE DEVELOPMENT OFF NORMANDY AND 103TH STREET. WE'RE GETTING CIRCULATION THROUGH COPPER RIDGE. THAT WHITE BLOCK AT THE LOWER RIGHT-HAND SIDE OF THE PICTURE. THERE WILL BE A ROADWAY CONNECTIVITY FROM OAK LEAF PLANTATION ROAD WHICH IS ALREADY THERE. CECIL CONNECTORS THERE.
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IT WILL GO THROUGH THAT DEVELOPMENT AND INTO THE SOUTHERN PORTION OF OUR EAST SIDE AND WE'LL PUT NON-AIR NAUTICAL DEVELOPMENT THERE. AND THAT WILL SUPPORT THE WORKFORCE OUT THERE. BECAUSE AS IT IS TODAY, THERE'S -- YOU CAN'T GET ANYTHING TO EAT, NO HOTELS FOR THE PEOPLE THAT FLY IN. THEY HAVE TO COME DOWN INTO ORANGE PARK OR THEY GO UP TO 103RD AND I-10. SO, WE'RE HOPING TO PUT THAT IN. THAT'S PROBABLY ON A FIVE TO TEN YEAR PERIOD. WE'REDOING THE DUE DILIGENCE AND INFRASTRUCTURE RIGHT NOW. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: WILL BE A
CLAY COUNTY PORTION TO THAT AT SOME POINT. >> SPEAKER: YES. THERE'S PROBABLY 25 ACRES SOUTH OF WHERE IT ENTERED THAT IS NOT DEVELOPED AS HOUSES. THE HOUSES ARE
JUST -- COPPER RIDGE IS JUST SOUTH OF THAT. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: MAYBE YOU
COULD TALK ABOUT THAT TO MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS HERE. >> SPEAKER: OKAY. THE CLAY COUNTY PART REALLY DOESN'T -- IT'S HARD FOR ME TO DO ANYTHING ON THE DEVELOPMENT SIDE OF THAT.
I MEAN, IT WILL BE THERE FOR US REALLY TO SERVICE. SO, THIS SECTION RIGHT HERE IS OWNED BY -- AND I FORGET. IT'S OAK LEAF INVESTORS. THEY'RE THE ONES THAT HAVE THAT. AND I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR THEM BUT THAT PORTION OF THE PROPERTY IS NOT CURRENTLY BEING DEVELOPED. BUT
MAYBE OFFLINE I CAN TALK MORE ABOUT IT. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: I JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT. THAT'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR OUR CITIZENS TO GET TO WORK BETTER IF WE HAVE THAT BACK DOOR IN AND OUT OF THE AIRPORT FROM OAK LEAF.
>> SPEAKER: YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. IF YOU DON'T TAKE THE EXPRESSWAY, YOU WOULD HAVE TO GET OFF AT OAK LEAF PLANTATION, GO THROUGH THAT, UP OLD MIDDLEBURG ROAD, OVER 103RD THEN INTO THE AIRPORT. WHERE THIS YOU COME RIGHT OFF OAK LEAF PLANTATION, STRAIGHT UP INTO THE PROPERTY, CIRCULATE AND THEN DRIVE RIGHT IN TO WORK. IT WOULD BE GREAT.
>> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: WHAT KIND OF TIMING ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? >> SPEAKER: FIVE TO TEN YEARS.
WE'RE DOING THE DEMOGRAPHICS NOW. THERE'S NOTHING IN OAK LEAF THAT CAN SUSTAIN IT. THE INFRASTRUCTURE IS ABOUT $26 MILLION SO WE WILL HAVE TO START PUTTING SOME MONEY AWAY TO PUT THAT IN. I AM GOING TO SHOW YOU A PICTURE. WE'RE STARTING TO PUT IN A ROADWAY NOW. THIS SECTION IS IN AND IT'S RIGHT ACROSS FROM AMAZON OF 103RD STREET. THERE'S 103RD STREET THERE. YOU CAN SEE THE SECTION WE PUT IN ALREADY. WE PUT A TAXI WAY IN. THAT'S 150-ACRE SITE WE GOT FOR DEVELOPMENT WHICH WE'RE WORKING ON SEVERAL DEALS RIGHT NOW. THAT IS AGAIN AERONAUTICAL DEVELOPMENT. TO THE LEFT OF THAT OR TO THE LOWER SOUTHWEST OR LOWER LEFT SECTION THERE WHERE THE TREES ARE, THAT'S THE MULTI-USE AREA WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FOR DEVELOPMENT.
AND THIS ROADWAY, THE UTILITIES ARE ALREADY DOWN IN. WE PUT THOSE IN $5.2 MILLION. AND WE'RE WORKING OUR WAY SOUTH OF THE ROAD AND HOPING TO GET SOME GRANTS FROM THE SPACE FLORIDA TO MOVE THAT ALONG. THE SPACE PORT IS THE LOWER CENTER SECTION THERE. THAT IS WHERE THE SPACE PORT IS. AND I'VE GOT A PICTURE OF SOME TESTING. WE JUST COMPLETED TESTING OUT THERE LAST MONTH. GENERATION ORBIT HAS A U.S. AIRFORCE RESEARCH LAB CONTRACT TO DO A LAUNCH. IT'S CALLED THE X68. IT IS A HYPER SONIC TESTING FOR ADVANCED STUFF FROM THE AIRFORCE WHICH IS CLASSIFIED. WE'RE ALSO WORKING WITH AVOM WHO JUST GOT A MULTI-MILLION DOLLAR CONTRACT FOR SATELLITE LAUNCHES FROM A VEHICLE. SO THAT'S THE VEHICLE TESTING ON CECIL AIRPORT. THE TESTING WAS COMPLETE HOT FIRE COAL TEST. AND WE HOPE TO HAVE A MOCK FLIGHT TEST FLIGHT IN APRIL AND LAUNCH LATER THIS YEAR. IF THAT HAPPENS, THAT WILL BE THE FIRST HORIZONTAL LAUNCH, COMMERCIAL LAUNCH IN HISTORY OF THE UNITED STATES. WE HOPE TO GET THE FIRST ONE. I THINK WE MAY BE BEAT BY SOMEBODY IN CALIFORNIA BUT I'M HOPING THAT THE AIRFORCE MOVES FORWARD WITH THEIR PROGRAM A LITTLE BIT SOONER THAN THEY'VE GOT PROJECTED. AND THAT'S WHAT I HAVE. ANY QUESTIONS THAT I MAY BE ABLE TO ANSWER FOR YOU? WELL I REALLY DO THANK YOU AND APPRECIATE THE TIME COMING. I'D LIKE TO COME BACK. WAYNE COMES TO OUR ADVISORY COMMITTEE FOR THE AIRPORT. HE'S BEEN VERY FAITHFUL AND I REALLY DO APPRECIATE IT. WE OFTEN HAVE
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HOUSING GROUPS, NEIGHBORHOOD GROUPS FROM CLAY COUNTY, ESPECIALLY IN THE OAK LEAF AREA THAT COME TO THE MEETINGS AS WELL. WE TRY TO BE VERY UP FRONT WITH EVERYBODY IN THE COMMUNITY. ANY TIME THAT ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO COME TAKE A TOUR OF CECIL AIRPORT, THAT INCLUDES EVERYBODY OUT HERE, YOU CAN LOOK ME UP ON THE WEBSITE, FLYJACKSONVILLE.COM, AND JUST SEND US AN EMAIL AND WE'D LOVE TO GIVE YOU A TOUR OF THE PLACE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOURTIME. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: I'VE HAD SEVERAL QUESTIONS FROM HOA MEETINGS ABOUT WHEN IS THE BACK ROAD INTO CECIL GOING TO BE REA REALITY. SO WE CAN AT LEAST GET A LINE ON A PIECE OF PAPER AND SOME DAY WE CAN THINK ABOUT WHAT
THAT'S GOING TO INVOLVE. >> SPEAKER: I THINK THE CITY IS WORKING ON THAT ROAD WITH THAT DEVELOPER. COOPER RIDGE DEVELOPMENT. AND THAT DEVELOPER IS GOING TO PUT THE ROAD IN, DEDICATE THE TEASEMENT. I THINK IT'S 85, 100 FEET EASEMENT THROUGH HIS AREA. THE SECTION THAT IS NORTH OF HIS AREA TO OUR BORDER, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO WORK ON NOW. AND THE CITY OF JACKSONVILLE IS TRYING TO HELP US GET THAT. THEN WE'LL PUT OURS IN AS WE DEVELOP AND KIND OF TIE IT INTO OUR DEVELOPMENT. OUR PORTION IS ABOUT FIVE OR TEN YEARS. I THINK INSIDE OF PROBABLY THREE YEARS YOU WILL SEE THAT ROAD GO UP THROUGH THAT DEVELOPMENT AND TOWARDS THE END
OF OUR PROPERTY. BUT, AGAIN, THANK YOU SO MUCH. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: YES, SIR.
J.J. HARRIS, EDC QUARTERLY UPDATE. >> SPEAKER: THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY MR. CHAIRMAN, COMMISSIONERS, STAFF. SO, YOU'VE ALREADY HAD SOME OF THIS INFORMATION IN FRONT OF YOU. YOU'VE SEEN OUR 2019 REPORT AND THEN I'VE ALSO PLACED AN INVESTOR GUIDE THAT WAS JUST PUBLISHED. WE JUST GOT IT OUT OF THE PRINTER TODAY AND THE 2019 REPORT IS IN FRONT OF YOU. I GAVE YOU THE LAST YEAREND BRIEF. ACTUALLY A SLIDE POINT PRESENTATION. AND THIS IS JUST A QUARTERLY UPDATE. SO, THINGS CONTINUE TO BE VERY WELL IN CLAY COUNTY. WE'RE DOING VERY GOOD. AS OF NOVEMBER WE HAD 1,055 NEW HOME STARTS COMPARED TO 817 IN DECEMBER OF 18. EMPLOYMENT IN CLAY COUNTY IS CURRENTLY UP 3,222 OVER 2,991 IN 2018. SO, OUR EMPLOYED LABOR FORCE IN 2019 WAS 109,673. OR 2.8% UNEMPLOYMENT. 3,024. CURRENTLY, AS I PULL THE STATISTICS UPPED TODAY, WE'RE AT 2.6% UNEMPLOYMENT IN OUR COUNTY. A RIDICULOUSLY LOW NUMBER. SO, EXCITING STUFF. WHAT DOES THAT MEAN FOR THE HOMEOWNERS? WELL
INCREASED PROPERTY VALUES. THAT'S WHAT'S IMPORTANT. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: TRY TO
FIND A PLUMBER. >> SPEAKER: YEAH TRY TO FIND WORK HELP OR SKILLED TRADES TO COME OUT AND DO ANYTHING YOU NEED. BUT YOUR HOME VALUE HAS INCREASED ON AVERAGE $10,000 THIS YEAR. AND I HAVE THE STATISTICS AND I'VE PROVIDED THE INFORMATION TO HOWARD TO BACK THAT UP AND OTHER DATA POINTS. CURRENT PROJECTS THAT ARE ONGOING. ORANGE PARK MEDICAL CENTER. YOU KNOW IT'S $126 MILLION, 100 JOBS. THEY ACTUALLY HAVE 62 ON THEIR WEBSITE RIGHT NOW ADVERTISED. I SENT OUT A LIST EARLIER IN THE MONTH. MIKE HAD PROMPTED HEY GIVE ME AN UPDATED LIST SO WENT AND LOOKED AT THE DIFFERENT JOB SITES AND EMPLOYERS THAT HAD JUST A SMALL SAMPLING AND THERE'S A LOT OF EMPLOYMENT TO BE HAD HERE. WHICH FOLLOWS THROUGH, WE NEED MORE HOUSING TO FILL THOSE. WE'VE GOT TO BRING THE PEOPLE IN BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE WORKFORCE TO SUPPORT WHAT WE NEED. FPNLS. 425-ACRE SOLAR FARM. THEY'RE IN THE ASSESSMENT PHASE RIGHT NOW OF DOING THE ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT AND MOVING ANY TORTOISES THAT NEED TO BE MOVED AND SOME ENVIRONMENTAL STUFF. BUT THEY THINK ABOUT APRIL IS
WHEN THEY'LL START. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: THAT IS THE WARNER ROAD PROJECT?
>> SPEAKER: YES, SIR. SO THAT'S STILL ONGOING. WE DO HAVE AND YOU WILL SEE A COUPLE INCENTIVE REQUESTS COMING THROUGH TO MANUFACTURES AND ONE MEDICAL OFFICE. BUT TWO OF THOSE ARE IN LAND NEGOTIATION PURCHASE AGREEMENTS RIGHT NOW. AND SINCE THEY'VE NOT CLOSED I'M NOT GOING TO DISCLOSE THEIR NAMES AND YOU WON'T SEE ANY PAPERWORK UNTIL THAT HAPPENS. WORKING WITH THE
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RAIL SERVICE AGREEMENT ON A COLD STORAGE FACILITY EXPANSION. THAT WILL BE COMING DOWN THE PIKE.AND THEN WORKING WITH KEYSTONE HEIGHTS. WE'VE GOT A $17.5 MILLION INFRASTRUCTURE REQUEST INTO THE STATE. A JOB GROWTH GRANT FOR KEYSTONE AIRPORT. WHY IS THAT IMPORTANT? BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO LEVERAGE THE EXISTING 24 MILLION FOR SPACE FLORIDA'S INVESTMENT IN MHD ROCKLAND. NOW WE DON'T HAVE 6,000 ACRES LIKE JAA BUT WE DO HAVE KEYSTONE HEIGHTS AIRPORT.
WE JUST NEED TO START FOCUSING SOME OF OUR INFRASTRUCTURE INVESTMENTS IN THAT AREA. WE GOT A LABOR FORCE WE CAN PULL FROM BRADFORD AND THE OTHER COUNTIES IN THAT AREA AND PULL FROM GAINESVILLE TOO IF. IT IS A SLEEPER. IT IS A SLEEPER. A GOOD INVESTMENT FOR US. OTHER THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON AT THE STATE AND THE LEGISLATIVE LEVEL. THE QUALIFIED TAX, QTI, WILL EXPIRE THIS YEAR. SO, THEIR D. O. SENT OUT AN INFORMATION REQUEST TO CONTACT THEIR LEGISLATORS TO SUPPORT RUE NEWLY. THAT'S ONE OF THE ONLY INITIATIVES WE'VE GOT BESIDES TANGIBLE PERSONAL PROPERTY AND THE TAX INCREMENT GRANT TO OFFER AS INCENTIVE FOR WORKFORCE INVESTMENT. DEPENDING IF YOU ARE $3,000 FOR A JOB REIMBURSEMENT OR $6,000 IF YOU ARE CONSIDERED A RURAL AREA. SO IT'S IMPORTANT TO HAVE THAT. I'LL SEND SOME INFORMATION OVER THAT THEY'VE SENT OUT FOR US. AS OR WAGES GO UP WITH THE ENSIGN TESTIFIES YOU -- INCENTIVES REQUIREMENT THAT THE STATE REQUIRES FOR JOB CREATION GOES UP. SO, LAST YEAR FOR ANY INCENTIVE REQUEST FOR A NEW JOB THE AVERAGE WAGE HAD TO BE $37,022. THIS YEAR IT'S $38,524. I SENT THAT INFORMATION TO FRAN.
SHE'S UPDATED THE COUNTY INCENTIVE POLICY. I'VE ACCIDENT THAT OUT TO SEVERAL PEOPLE THAT HAVE ASKED FOR THAT INFORMATION. AND THAT'S GOOD BECAUSE THE LAST ANNUAL REPORT I GAVE YOU THE AVERAGE WEEKLY WAGE WAS $761 FOR CLAY COUNTY. IT IS NOW $791. SO IT KEEPS GOING ON. SO, JUST THE JOB DEMAND, INCREASED WAGES, PROPERTY VALUES, OUR ECONOMIC ENGINE IS MOVING FORWARD. YOUR INVESTMENTS ARE PAYING OFF. AND FOLLOW-UP QUESTION. WE DID HAVE A MEETING WITH JAX USA AT THE END OF THE YEAR AND THEY'VE REQUESTED SOME INFORMATION. YOU GUYS REQUESTED SOME INFORMATION AND WE'RE SCHEDULING ANOTHER MEETING FOR FEBRUARY 29TH. SO, WE'VE GOT THE INFORMATION IN HAND. IT'S JUST TRYING TO GET EVERYBODY'S SCHEDULES TOGETHER. YOU WILL SEE THE INFORMATION SCHEDULING COME OUT IN THE NEAR FUTURE ON THAT. I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE.
>> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: ON BEHALF OF KEYSTONE CAN YOU RECRUIT A CHICK-FIL-A AND
PUBLIX? >> SPEAKER: THEY'VE GOT THEIR D. Q. BUILT AND TACO BELL IS ON THE
WAY. >> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: I'VE EATEN DUNKIN' DONUTS A COUPLE TIMES. THAT'S A REQUEST I GET OFTEN. JUST WANTED TO PLANT THAT IN YOUR EAR.
>> SPEAKER: SCOTT REALLY WANTS A HUDDLE HOUSE OR WAFFLE HOUSE. >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: THANK
YOU. WELL DONE. >> SPEAKER: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. APPRECIATE ALL YOUR SUPPORT. WE
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HAVE A RESOLUTION THAT WILL BE PRESENTED BY COMMISSIONER WAYNE BOLLA TO THE BLACK CREEK TO NAS JAX AND REGIONAL TRANSPORTATION CORRIDOR. SO WE NEED A RECIPIENT AND I SEE AT LEAST TWO OUT THERE. ROBERT AND CHRIS. IF YOU WOULD STEP FORWARD. MIGHT TELL US A SYNOPSIS OF WHAT THISIS. >> SPEAKER: AS PER THE LAST BCC MEETING, HE HAS TAKEN THIS THING ON TO EXTEND THE DOCTORS LAKE TRAIL THROUGH THE TOWN OF ORANGE PARK UNDERNEATH 295 AND TO NAS JAX. THIS HAS BEEN TALKED ABOUT FOR AT LEAST 30 YEARS THAT I KNOW OF. AND NOBODY'S EVER FIGURED OUT HOW TO DO IT OR WANTED TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS THAT YOU NEED TO TO ISOLATE EVERY LITTLE PROPERTY AND ALL THE NUANCES THAT GO WITH THIS SORT OF THING. NOT TO MENTION THE STATE BUREAUCRACY WITH 25 AND SO ON AND SO FORTH. HE TOOK IT UPON HIMSELF WITH THE SUPPORT
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OF THE TOWN OF ORANGE PARK AND HAS PRETTY MUCH PUT A PLAN TOGETHER. HE'S DISCUSSED IT WITH THE COMMANDING OFFICER OF NAVAL AIR STATION JACKSONVILLE. THEY'RE VERY, VERY SUPPORTIVE OF IT AND THEY WANT THIS TRAIL TO GO THROUGH. BECAUSE YOU HAVE A VARIETY OF -- THAT VARIETY BUT A LARGE NUMBER OF FOLKS IN CLAY COUNTY AND ORANGE PARK WHO WORK AT NAS JAX AND A LOT OF THESE PEOPLE LIKE TO RIDE THEIR BICYCLE AND WE REALLY DON'T WANT THEM TO RIDE ON 17 UNDERNEATH THE 295 INTERCHANGE. WE'VE ALL SEEN THEM DO THAT AND JUST AN ACCIDENT WAITING TO HAPPEN. SO, HOPEFULLY THIS WILL COME TO FRUITION. HE HAS HAD A CONFLICT IN SOUTH FLORIDA WITH SOME CLIENTS OF HIS SO HE COULD NOT BE HERE. SO ON BEHALF OF THE CLAY COUNTY TRAILS COMMITTEE AND MORE WALLARD WE'D LIKE TO THANK THE BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS FOR YOU SUPPORT ON THIS INTERREGIONAL TRAIL. IT WILL BE A REAL ASSET TO THE COUNTY I THINK.>> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: THANKS. WE'RE IN FULL SUPPORT OF THIS. RESOLUTION OF THE BOARD OF CLAY COUNTY COMMISSIONERS OF CLAY COUNTY FLORIDA IN SUPPORT OF THE BLACK CREEK TO NAS JACKSONVILLE INTERREGIONAL TRANSPORTATION CORRIDOR. WHEREAS BICYCLING AND WALKING IMPROVES CITIZENS HEALTH, WELLBEING AND QUALITY OF LIFE AND REDUCES POLLUTION AND TRAFFIC CONGESTION. AND WHEREAS CITIZENS ARE MORE APARTMENT TO USE WELL DESIGNED, SAFE FACILITIES FOR WALKING AND BICYCLING. AND WHEREAS CREATING BICYCLE FRIENDLY COMMUNITIES WITH ACCESS TO CENTERS OF EMPLOYMENT ENCOURAGE A VARIETY OF TRAVEL MODES. AND WHEREAS THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION HAS ADOPTED A COMPLETE STREETS POLICY WHICH PROVIDES FOR BICYCLE AND PEDESTRIAN ACCESS. AND WHEREAS CLAY COUNTY IS WORKING WITH ITS CITIZENS TO IMPROVE PEDESTRIAN AND BICYCLE FACILITIES COUNTY WIDE WHICH INCLUDES REGIONAL ACCESS. NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED THAT THE BOARD OF CLAY COUNTY COMMISSIONERS CLAY COUNTY FLORIDA SECTION 1 CLAY COUNTY SUPPORTS THE TOWN OF ORANGE PARK IN ITS PLAN TO CONSTRUCT THE EXTENSION OF THE BLACK CREEK TRAIL TO NAVAL AIR STATION JACKSONVILLE DULY ADOPTED BY THE PLAY COUNTY COMMISSION OF CLAY
COUNTY FLORIDA THIS DAY, 2020. DO I HAVE A MOTION? >> BOARD MEMBER: MUCH SO MOVED.
>> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: SECOND. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: ALL THOSE IN FAVOR. AYE. CONGRATULATIONS.
WE'RE IN FULL SUPPORT. AND I THINK WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN NOW IS WE'RE TRYING TO LINE UP SUPPORT FROM THE VARIOUS FOLKS INVOLVED AND THEN WE'RE GOING NEED MONEY TO BUILD THIS TUNNEL.
BUT WE'LL WORK ON THAT LATER. THANKS A LOT GUYS. >> SPEAKER: THANK YOU.
>> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: THANK YOU, COLONEL AND ROBERT. THEY'VE BEEN VERY INSTRUMENTAL IN IMPROVING CLAY COUNTY WITH WATER TRAILS, HIKING TRAILS, BIKE TRAILS AND JUST SPECIAL THANKS TO COMMISSIONER BOLLA. HE'S BEEN IN LEAGUE WITH THEM AND KIND OF SHEPHERDED A LOT OF US THROUGH THE PROCESS. SO, IF YOU WENT OUT AND HIKED ANY OF THE TRAILS IS WHAT I WANT TO KNOW?
>> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: YES I HAVE. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: GOOD DEAL.
>> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: I SUPPORT IT FULLY. MY KNEES DON'T BUT I DO
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TO THE APPROVAL OF OUR MINUTES OF THE LAST MEETING. THERE'S A MOTION AND SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. OPPOSED. SO, DONE. WE'RE DOWN TO PUBLIC COMMENTS NOW. I HAVE ONE CARD AS FAR AS[PUBLIC COMMENTS]
THE GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT THAT WOULD BE FROM STANLEY FINNING. IF YOU WOULD COME UP, SIR.>> PUBLIC SPEAKER: GOOD AFTERNOON. STANLEY FINNING. MY ADDRESS IS PROTECTED AND I'D LIKE TO RECOGNIZE THE FACT THAT THE COUNTY COMMISSIONER SPEAK CARDS AS THE WORDS IN PARENTHESES NEXT TO MY ADDRESS AS OPTIONAL. THAT'S IN FAR SPOOR STANDING TO WHAT WE'RE EXPECTED AT THE CLAY COUNTY SCHOOL BOARD WHERE THEY DEMAND AN ADDRESS IN EXCHANGE FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY TO BE HEARD BY OUR LOCAL OFFICIALS. SO, I THANK YOU AND I RECOGNIZE THAT. I'D ALSO LIKE TO TAKE THE TIME TO -- BEFORE I GO TOO DEEP INTO MY COMMENTS I WANT TO SPEAK ABOUT THE APPLICANTS FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION. THERE'S THREE PEOPLE THAT I KNOW PERSONALLY THROUGH EXPERIENCE IN MY TIME. ONE OF THEM I CAN SUPPORT. BILL GARRISON. AND THERE'S TWO PEOPLE
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THERE'S NO WAY, THERE'S NO POSSIBLE WAY I COULD SUPPORT TRAVIS CHRISTENSEN OR JOSEPH WIGGINS BECAUSE OF THEIR LACK OF WILLINGNESS TO OBEY OPEN AND TRANSPARENT GOVERNMENT AND THEIR RESPONSIBILITY. TRAVIS CHRISTENSEN IS IN THE HABIT OF STARTING STUFF WITH PEOPLE ON FACEBOOK THEN BLOCKING THEM. AS A PUBLIC OFFICIAL HE IS NOT ALLOWED TO BLOCK PEOPLE. THOSE COMMUNICATIONS ARE PART OF THE PUBLIC RECORD AND IT'S OPEN IN TRANSPARENT GOVERNMENT. SOMEBODY SHOULD TALK TO TRAVIS ABOUT THAT IF HE IS GOING TO CONTINUE IN HIS PUBLIC SERVICE. MR. WIGGINS HAS, IN MY EXPERIENCE, OBSTRUCTED PUBLIC RECORDS REQUESTS FOR HIS MOTHER WHEN SHE SERVED UP HERE WITH ME ON THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION. SHE WAS USING HER PERSONAL EMAIL ADDRESS RATHER THAN THE COUNTY ISSUED EMAIL ADDRESS. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT PRACTICE STOPPED. PEOPLE THAT ARE APPOINTED NEED TO USE AN OFFICIAL EMAIL ADDRESS SO THAT PUBLIC RECORDS WILL BE MAINTAINED. THERE ARE CERTAIN SPECIFIC RETENTION GUIDELINES THAT OR MAY NOT BE FOLLOWED BY PEOPLE LIKE JOSEPH WIGGINS. SO, I'D LIKE TO CLOSE WITH WHY I CAME HERE TODAY. IT'S COME TO MY ATTENTION THAT CODE ENFORCEMENT IS STRAYING FROM THE LIMITS THAT HAVE BEEN IMPOSED UPON THEM. IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT A CITIZEN IS REQUIRED TO FILL OUT A COMPLAINT, SIGN IT AND DATE IT AND TURN IT IN. THAT'S THE FOUR CORNERS OF THE COMPLAINT. THE CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS FROM MY UNDERSTANDING AND PERSONAL EXPERIENCE IS GOING OUT AND INSPECTING NOT ONLY THE FOUR CORNERS OF THE COMPLAINT BUT GOING OUT THERE XY AND X. WHATEVER THEY WANT TO ADD TO THAT. THAT'S NOT THE INTENTION OF OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT POLICY. CODE ENFORCEMENT POLICY DOES NOT ALLOW THE OFFICER TO COME TO A COMPLAINT'S ADDRESS AND LOOK NEXT DOOR AND SEE A COMPLAINT AND THEN TAKE ACTION OVER THERE.THERE'S NO JUSTIFIABLE REASON FOR THE CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER TO COME OUT AND EXCEED THE FOUR CORNERS OF THE COMPLAINT. AND, WITH THAT, I'M GOING TO RECOGNIZE AND RESPECT THE THREE
MINUTE LIMIT. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: THANK YOU. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: THANK YOU.
>> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: TWO MORE CARDS. ARE THESE ITEMS SPECIFIC? I'LL ASK MR. AUTO AND MR. KRAUT.
OR DID YOU ALL WANT TO WAIT UNTIL THOSE PARTICULAR ITEMS OR WAS THIS GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT?
>> PUBLIC SPEAKER: I'LL WAIT. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: OKAY. MR. AUTO?
>> PUBLIC SPEAKER: I CHECKED IT AND PUT A AGENDA ITEM. I APPRECIATE MR. FINNEY COMING IN AND TALKING ALONG WITH MR. CLEMSMAN AND THE OTHER PUBLIC. JAMES AUTO 2904-2910 SEX AND BUDS CLAY COUNTY FLORIDA HOTELS. AND AMEN TO MR. BOLLA AND THE REST OF THE BOARD FOR THE SIDEWALK PROJECT WITH THE COUNTIES AROUND US. THAT'S WELL NEEDED FOR THE CITIZENS. I APPRECIATE THAT. I'M GLAD TO SEE IT WASN'T A PIT BULL THIS AFTERNOON. I'VE TALKED ABOUT WHAT I FEEL ABOUT NOT HAVING A HOMELESS SHELTER AND SPENDING MONEY ON A ANIMAL SHELTER. FOLKS CAN GO BACK TO CLAY COUNTY GOVERNOR.COM AND REWATCH THE PRIOR MEETING. SOUNDS LIKE THE THIRD CHAIR WILL BE A CHARM. THANK YOU SIR. HOPEFULLY WE WON'T HAVE TO ENDURE WHAT WE'VE RECENTLY ENDURED. SLOW GROWTH WOULD BE A LOT BETTER GROWTH. AND 12 TO $40 MILLION IN INTEREST AND, YOU KNOW, FILING THE FEES FOR THIS $130 MILLION LOAN, I'M REALLY AGAINST THAT.
SLOW GROWTH WOULD BE MUCH BETTER GROWTH. THE PRESENTATION IS SO FAR OFF OF WHAT WE SEE ON A REGULAR BASIS AT THESE MEETINGS. I MEAN, IT'S JUST WAY OVER GROWTH YOU KNOW. AND HOPEFULLY WE'LL BE ABLE TO SPEAK ON THESE NEW BUSINESS ITEMS AND THE BONDING. I FILLED OUT CARDS FOR THOSE. DEFINITELY NOT INTERESTED IN THIS LOAN THAT YOU ALL ARE TALKING ABOUT WHATSOEVER. YOU KNOW, I JUST GO ON AND ON WITH A LOT OF THE ISSUES THE COUNTY'S GOT. IF WE SPEND ANY MONEY ON THE FAIR GRABBEDS WE NEED TRANSGENDER BATHROOMS ALONG WITH IN OUR SCHOOLS. I'M VERY SAD TO
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SEE THAT, YOU KNOW, OUR SUPERINTENDENT MAY BE LEAVING. I'VE BEEN ALL ABOUT HIM FOR 2020 YOU KNOW. YOU VOTE FOR ADDISON DAVIS. SO, I HOPE HE DOESN'T LEAVE. HE IS A GOOD ASSET I THINK FOR THE COUNTY. BUT IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE GOING TO BE LOSING HIM TO CENTRAL FLORIDA.THERE'S JUST SO MANY ISSUES IN CLAY COUNTY. LIKE I'M NOT TOO CONCERNED ABOUT ALL OF THIS OTHER TRAFFIC, ESPECIALLY ON 16. WE DON'T NEED TO PUSH THAT FOR THE FAIRGROUNDS. WE NEED TO PUSH 218. IT'S BEEN ON THE LIST FOR A LONG, LONG TIME. WE GOT PUBLIC HOUSING ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE BRIDGE. THEY CAN'T EVEN WALK OVER. THEY'VE BEEN TRYING TO EXPAND THAT OVER THERE FOR QUITE SOMETIME. I'M GOING TO TURN IN A BUNCH OF CARDS. IT IS A LONG AGENDA TONIGHT. A LOT OF THINGS ARE ON IT. SO, I APPRECIATE THE TIME TO SPEAK ON THE AGENDA ITEMS AS THEY COME UP
AS I'VE ASKED FOR IN THE PAST. THANK YOU, SIR. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: THANK YOU, MR. AUTO. ARE THE PUBLIC COMMENT SECTION IS NOW CLOSED. AND TO ACCOMMODATE SEVERAL TIME CONSTRAINTS OF MEMBERS WHO ARE PRESENT WE'RE GOING TO SKIP DOWN TO OLD BUSINESS ITEM 10 AND
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DIRECT OUR ATTENTION ITEM C. PROJECT UNDERWRITER FOR THE BONDING DISCUSSION.>> SPEAKER: AT THIS TIME THE STAFF IS REQUESTING AT THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE COUNTY'S FINANCIAL ADVISOR PFM THE ADDITION OF A CO-UNDERWRITER FOR THE COUNTY'S BONDING PROJECT. AT THE TIME THAT THE COUNTY SUBMITTED OUT OUR RFQ FOR UNDERWRITING SERVICES THE SCOPE INCLUDED THE PROSPECT FOR THERE TO BE A POSSIBLE TEAM OF UNDERWRITERS. AT THE TIME IT WAS BROUGHT TO THE BOARD WE HAD 3 DIFFERENT UNDERWRITERS WHO HAD SUBMITTED RF RESPONSES TO THE RFQ. AT THAT TIME THE BOARD CHOSE UBS FINANCIAL SERVICES. WE HAVE REPRESENTATIVES HERE TODAY FROM UBS. WE HAVE DAVID MOFFETT AND GARY GE RAREI WHO IS HERE FOR UBS. THE VESTS AS WE PROCEEDED THROUGH THE PROCESS THE COUNTY'S FINANCIAL ADVISOR HAS RECOMMENDED THAT WE ACTUALLY DO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE TEAM APPROACH AND THAT THE BOARD PROCEED WITH THE SELECTION OF ADDITIONAL UNDERWRITER THAT WOULD BE A CO-UNDERWRITER. NOW UBS WOULD CONTINUE AS THE LEAD UNDERWRITER WITH THE SECOND BEING JUST A CO. IN CONNECTION WITH YOUR RANKING, YOUR SECOND THAT YOU RANKED WAS RBC CAPITAL MARKET LLC AND THEY WERE RANKED JUST ONE POINT BELOW THE UBS FINANCIAL SERVICES. AS THE FINANCIAL ADVISOR HAS RECOMMENDED THAT IT WOULD BE IN THE COUNTY'S BEST INTEREST TO ADD RBC AS A CO-MANAGER, WE WOULD REQUEST THAT THE BOARD AGREE AND BRING THEM ON BOARD. IT WOULD NOT BE ANY ADDITIONAL COSTS. UBS AND RBC WOULD SHARE IN THE COSTS THAT WOULD BE DETERMINED BETWEEN THEM. SO, THERE WOULDN'T BE ANY ADDED COSTS TO THE COUNTY. AND OUR PFM WHICH IS OUR FINANCIAL ADVISOR HE APOLOGIZES HE WAS GOING TO HERE TO PRESENT THIS BUT HE IS OUT WITH THE FLU SO HE ASKED HIM NOT TO COME.
>> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: DO WE HAVE A PRESENTATION DO THEY WANT TO SPEAK?
>> SPEAKER: THEY CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. THEY ARE HERE. I KNOW THAT GARY HAS TO CATCH A FLIGHT.
BUT IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: LET'S GO TO QUESTIONS. I THINK WE'RE PRETTY WELL CAUGHT UP HERE. HOWARD, DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WANT TO SAY ON THAT?
>> NO MR. CHAIRMAN. >> I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. >> NOPE. SO WE JUST NEED A
MOTION AND THE BOARD'S INCLINED. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: A MOTION AND A SECOND. DO WE THAT WE BRING ON A SECOND UNDERWRITER. FOR THE REASONS THAT OUR COUNTY ATTORNEY HAS STATED. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. OPPOSED. SO, DONE. WE'RE MOVING ON TO TIME-CERTAINS NOW TO MAKE SURE WE DON'T FALL
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TOO FAR BEHIND ON OUR SCHEDULE. WE WILL BE DOWN TO ITEM 17 NOW IS THAT CORRECT? YES. 5:00 TIME CERTAIN. RFP1920-20 TOURISM, DEPARTMENT SPORTS MARKETING AND SALES. GOOD AFTERNOON.>> SPEAKER: MR. CHAIRMAN, COULD WE JUST TAKE CARE OF THE CONSENT AGENDA QUICKLY BEFORE THIS.
THERE MAY BE SOME INDIVIDUALS OUT THERE ON THAT. IF IT PLEASES THE CHAIRMAN.
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>> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: SURE. I WAS GOING TO DO THAT -- >> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: I'LL
MOVE FOR APPROVAL. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR OF
ACCEPTING THE CONSENT AGENDA. THANK YOU, MR. COUNTY MANAGER. >> SPEAKER: GOOD AFTERNOON.
STAFF HAS SOLICITED PROPOSALS FOR SPORTS MARKETING AND SALE SERVICES. THE PROPOSAL WAS RECEIVED FROM ONE VENDOR AND THAT WAS AIR STREAM VENTURES. A COMMITTEE OF THREE STAFF MEMBERS EVALUATED THE ONE PROPOSAL AND THAT INFORMATION WAS PROVIDED TO OUR FINANCE AND AUDIT COMMITTEE WHERE THE RECOMMENDATION WAS MADE TO INVITE AIR STREAMS TO BE AT TODAY'S MEETING TO MAKE A PRESENTATION BASED ON THEIR PROPOSAL. JUST TO GO OVER THE SCOPE OF THE SERVICES. THE SCOPE INCLUDED RECRUITMENT SECURING AND CREATING EVENTS, MARKETING EVENTS, EVENT OPERATIONS, SECURE SPONSORSHIP FOR EVENTS. THE EVALUATION INCLUDED THEIR QUALIFICATIONS, RELATED WORK EXPERIENCE, PROJECT APPROACH, FEE PROPOSAL AND REFERENCES. SO, AFTER THE PRESENTATION TODAY WE WOULD ASK THAT THE BOARD MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION TO AWARD THE BID, MOVE FORWARD WITH NEGOTIATING THE CONTRACT OR YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO REJECT THE BID. AND, AT THIS TIME, I WOULD LIKE TO INTRODUCE JOEL LAMP. HE IS WITH AIRSTREAM VENTURES AND HE HAS HIS TEAM HERE TODAY.
>> SPEAKER: GOOD AFTERNOON. I'M JOEL LAMP AND THIS IS ALAN OUR CEO. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY. JOEL AND I BOTH WITH AIRSTREAM VENTURES HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN SPORTS AND SPORTS RECRUITMENT TO AREAS FOR A LONG TIME. OUR WHOLE CAREER. AND AFTER LOOKING AND SEEING WHAT'S GOING ON IN CLAY COUNTY AND ALL THE GROWTH THAT WAS TALKED ABOUT HERE EARLIER TODAY, AND SEEING THE RFP WE JUST THOUGHT IT WAS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO BEGIN A TRUE SPORTS TOURISM MOVEMENT HERE IN THIS COUNTY. YOU HAVE SO MUCH TO OFFER. THERE ARE SO MANY EVENTS IN THE SPORTS TOURISM INDUSTRY NOW I THINK WE'VE SEEN IS JUST BOOMING AND CREATES MAJOR ECONOMIC BOOSTS FOR COUNTIES. WE'VE SEEN IT IN AREA COUNTIES. AN WE JUST WANTED TO DO A QUICK POWER POINT PRESENTATION. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S READY BUT JUST TO TELL YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT AIRSTREAM VENTURES AND WHAT WE FEEL LIKE WE CAN BRING TO THE TABLE TO REALLY RISE THE TOURISM INDUSTRY HERE IN CLAY COUNTY AND WORKING WITH KIMBERLY AND HER TOURISM MARKETING ASPECTS OF THIS. SO, AIRSTREAM VENTURES, WE ARE A SPORTS MARKETING COMPANY. THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY OPPORTUNITY FOR US. WE BROUGHT OUR ENTIRE STAFF. WE HAVE A STAFF OF EIGHT PEOPLE THAT WILL BE WORKING ON THIS FULL-TIME IN RECRUITING EVENTS TO THE COUNTY AND THE DIFFERENT AREAS WITHIN THE COUNTY. JOEL AND I STARTED THIS COMPANY TWO YEARS AGO. EVEN THOUGH WE'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN SPORTS FOR A LONG TIME. AT ANY GIVEN TIME WE'LL HAVE ANYWHERE FROM 10 TO 12 PEOPLE ON OUR STAFF WORKING ON THIS SO WHEN WE ACQUIRE EVENTS, WHEN WE'RE RECRUITING EVENTS WE HAVE A FULL STAFF THAT IS SUPPORT OF THIS. BUT YOU CAN SEE OUR BACKGROUNDS FINANCIAL WE HAVE A FULL-TIME PERSON ON OUR STAFF THAT'S IN CHARGE OF MARKETING, SOCIAL MEDIA, WEBSITE DEVELOPMENT, GRAPHICS. WE HAVE DIRECTOR OF OPERATIONS. WE HAVE ALL THE DIFFERENT AREAS REQUIRED FOR WHEN YOU PUT AN EVENT TOGETHER. WE LOVE THE OPPORTUNITY IN WHAT CLAY COUNTY HAS TO OFFER AND PUTTING A STRATEGIC PLAN TOGETHER. WHEN WE PUT THE STRATEGIC PLAN TOGETHER WE WENT AND CALMED ON A LOT OF CLIENTS THAT WE ALREADY WORK WITH AND SAID, THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY THAT WE COULD REPRESENT CLAY COUNTY WOULD YOU BE INTERESTED IN BRINGING YOUR EVENTS HERE? AND I THINK AS WE'VE SEEN SO FAR WE DON'T EVEN HAVE THE BID YET. WE DON'T EVEN HAVE A CONTRACT WITH YOU. WE ARE TALKING TO FIVE DIFFERENT GROUPS RIGHT NOW ABOUT EVENTS COMING TO CLAY COUNTY AT THE DIFFERENT FACILITIES. JOEL CAN GO OVER THAT WITH YOU HERE IN A SECOND. BUT THE RESPONSE HAS BEEN AMAZING. IT'S AMAZING WHEN YOU PUT A VISION BEHIND SOMETHING I THINK IN ANY OF OUR BUSINESSES WHAT THAT CREATES. WE PRESENTED THAT THE TOURISM COUNCIL. AND THE RESPONSE FROM I THINK THE SPORTS WORLD ENTITY HAS BEEN OUTSTANDING. SO WE WILL TELL YOU ABOUT THOSE IN A SECOND. THE IMPACT OF SPORTS TOURISM, I THINK WE'VE ALL SEEN THAT. WE ALL HAVE KIDS AND THERE'S KIDS GOING ALL OVER THE COUNTRY. THOSE OF US THAT HAVE KIDS THAT PLAY IN THESE SPORTS SPEND THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS EVERY YEAR TAKING OUR
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KIDS ALL OVER. WHY NOT BRING THEM TO CLAY COUNTY? WHY NOT PUT THEM IN THE HOTELS? WHY NOT HAND THEM SPEND MONEY IN THE RESTAURANTS, RETAIL, WHATEVER IT IS. PUTTING HEADS IN BEDS IS IMPORTANT. AND SOME OF THESE EVENTS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CURRENTLY WOULD SELL OUT EVERY HOTEL IN THIS AREA. THEY'RE BIG EVENTS. AND WE REALLY FEEL LIKE THE TIME IS RIGHT FOR CLAY COUNTY WHICH IS WHY WE'RE INTERESTED. IF YOU LOOK AT THE DIFFERENT EVENTS THAT WE ARE REPRESENTING RIGHT NOW. WE RUN A BIG MOTOCROSS EVENT OVER AT WW RANCH OFF I-10. LAST YEAR THAT EVENT ALONE BROUGHT PEOPLE FROM 22 DIFFERENT STATES, 16 DIFFERENT COUNTRIES. SOME OF THESE EVENTS THAT WE'RE TALKING TO ARE INTERNATIONAL EVENTS. SO THEY WOULD NOT ONLY BRING PEOPLE FROM OUTSIDE OF THE COUNTY, OUTSIDE OF THE STATE, A LOT OF DIFFERENT STATES, BUT OUT OF OUR COUNTRY. AND SO THOSE ARE THE TYPE OF EVENTS IN TALKING ABOUT USING SPORTS TO CONTINUE TO PUT PLAY COUNTY ON THE MAP. THAT IS OUR GOAL. BUT IF YOU LOOK AT ALL THE DIFFERENT EVENTS. WE'VE BEEN IN THE MARCH MADNESS. JOEL AND I HAVE RUN THE LAST DIFFERENT FOUR MARCH MADNESSES THAT HAVE BEEN HERE. WE'RE USED TO DO BIG EVENTS. WE'RE USED TO DOING SMALL EVENTS. THAT GIVES YOU A LINE-UP OF WHAT OUR COMPANY IS INVOLVED WITH RIGHT NOW. THE SPRING GAMES IS AN INTERESTING THING BECAUSE THEY'RE TRYING TO EXPAND. IT IS THE LARGEST COLLEGE SOFTBALL TOURNAMENT IN THE COUNTRY. IT'S IN CENTRAL FLORIDA RIGHT NOW. THEY WANT TO HELP BRING MORE SOFTBALL TO DIFFERENT AREAS. THEY DO 60,000 HOTEL NIGHTS OVER THE COURSE OF SIX WEEKS DOWN IN CENTRAL FLORIDA. THEY'RE AT CAPACITY. THEY NEED TO MOVE THAT. WE'RE TALKING TO THEM.THEY WOULD LOVE TO COME TO CLAY COUNTY IF WE CAN PUT SOMETHING LIKE THAT TOGETHER. THAT'S NOT EVEN THE ONES WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. WE GAVE YOU REFERENCES ON WHO WE'VE WORKED WITH FROM MARCH MADNESS TO SPRING AND BLUES FESTIVAL TO THE SPARTAN RACE. FOR THOSE THAT AREN'T FAMILIAR WITH THE SPARTAN RACE THAT'S ONE OF THE EVENTS WE'RE TALKING TO. WE HAD A SPARTAN RACE AT WW RANCH. THEY'RE WANTING TO DO MORE AND MORE EVENT IN THIS AREA. THEY LOVE THE NORTH FLORIDA REGION. WE'RE BRINGING THEM AND DOING A SITE VISIT HERE IN THE NEXT FEW WEEKS ON LOOKING AT DIFFERENT PROPERTIES HERE IN CLAY COUNTY. THAT EVENT ALONE BROUGHT IN PEOPLE FROM 47 DIFFERENT STATES A AND 9 DIFFERENT COUNTRIES. IT IS A HUGE EVENT ALL OVER THE WORLD. WITH THAT, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO JOEL AND HE CAN GIVE YOU INSIGHT
INTO SOME OF THE EVENTS WE CAN BRING. >> SPEAKER: AS WE WERE DOING THE RESEARCH LEADING UP TO THIS SUBMISSION, OUR WHOLE THING WAS LET'S TAKE WHAT WE HAVE IN CLAY COUNTY AND LET'S MAXIMIZE IT. WE DON'T NEED TO BUILD ANYTHING. LET'S FIND OUT WHAT THEY HAVE AND FIGURE OUT WHAT WE CAN BRING TO TOWN. SO, AS YOU SEE HERE THESE ARE -- THIS IS JUST KIND OF SCRATCHING THE SURFACE OF WHAT WE CAN DO. FROM BOWLING, CROSS COUNTRY, CYCLING EVENTS, GOLF, LACROSSE, SEMINOLES FOOTBALL, TAKING SOCCER AND WORKING WITH THE LOCAL GROUPS TO BRING MORE EVENTS AND FINDING DIFFERENT WAYS TO IMPACT WHAT THEY ALREADY DO, TENNIS, RODEO AND THEN WE TALKED ABOUT SPARTAN BUT OTHER OBSTACLE COURSE RACING. THAT GENRE OF EVENTS HAS GROWN MASSIVELY SO WHILE SPARTAN IS KIND OF THE BIG DOG IN THAT MARKETPLACE THERE ARE SKEFRL OTHER GROUPS IN THAT MARKETPLACE LOOKING FOR VENUES IN NORTHEAST FLORIDA, TOO. THIS IS KIND OF THE BASIC START OF WHAT WE'VE KIND OF DRAFTED OF POTENTIAL EVENTS WE CAN GO AFTER. WE FEEL LIKE THERE'S A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO REALLY CAT ALIES CROSS COUNTRY USING THE AREA AROUND THE FAIRGROUNDS. WE ALSO BELIEVE THERE'S A GREAT OPPORTUNITY WITH CYCLING. WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF A BID WITH USA SIGNING LING TO BRING THEIR ROAD AMATEUR NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP TO CLAY COUNTY. IT IS A FOUR-DAY EVENT WITH 750 CONTESTANTS FROM AROUND THE COUNTRY. THE WINNERS WOULD ADVANCE TO THE WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS. SO IT IS A BIG OPPORTUNITY FOR US BOTH AS A NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP BUT ALSO TO FILL THE HOTEL ROOMS AND RESTAURANTS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY. WITH THE FAIRGROUNDS THERE'S SOME UNIQUE OPPORTUNITIES USING THE SPACE, USING THE GREEN SPACE THAT WE HAVE EXISTING TO DO HIGH SCHOOL SEMINOLE FOOTBALL TOURNAMENTS, BRINGING CROSS COUNTRY EVENTS BUT ALSO ADULT SOCCER TOURNAMENTS. THEY'RE ALWAYS LOOKING FOR SPACES TO GO. THEY'RE ALL TIED UP WITH YOUTH SOCCER TOURNAMENTS. SO THE PARENTS ARE ALWAYS KIND OF BUMMED OUT. SO, TALKING WITH CLAY COUNTY SOCCER ASSOCIATION WORKING WITH THEM THAT POTENTIALLY WE CAN DO SOME ADDED PIECES AT THEIR EVENTS AT THE FAIRGROUNDS. SO AS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT WITH OUR TEAM IT'S -- WE GO AND LOOK AT THE VENUES, FIGURE OUT WHAT WE CAN DO, BUT THEN WE'RE GOING PROVIDE A FIRST CLASS EXPERIENCE. THE GREAT THING ABOUT CLAY COUNTY THAT WE BELIEVE IS WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO CREATE AN EXPERIENCE
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UNLIKE ANY OTHER FOR ATTENDEES, THE PARTICIPANTS THAT MAKES IT A MEMORABLE EXPERIENCE. THAT'S WHAT A LOT OF -- THEY CAN GO ANYWHERE IN THE COUNTRY. THERE'S SEVERAL PLACES. WHAT'S THAT EXPERIENCE LIKE? WHAT'S THE HOSPITALITY LIKE? AND COMING HERE TO CLAY COUNTY WE'VE GOT A UNIQUE OPPORTUNITY IN EMBRACING THEM LIKE NOBODY ELSE WILL AROUND THE COUNTRY. WE'VE TALKED ABOUT TAKING THE EXISTING FOOTPRINT AT THE FAIR GROUNDS. WE'VE GOT SOME AREAS WHERE WE CAN DO A SEVEN ON SEVEN FOOTBALL TOURNAMENT. THAT'S WHERE SOME OF THE SUMMER RECRUITING IS GOING IN THE HIGH SCHOOL FOOTBALL RANKS IS TOWARDS MORE OF THE SKILLS SET. THE SKILL POSITIONS. SO, WE'VE GOT KIND OF SCHEMATIC DRAWN OUT OF WHAT WE CAN DO FOR A SEVEN ON SEVEN FOOTBALL TOURNAMENT. BUT POTENTIAL YOUTH SPORTS. WHETHERS THAT YOUTH LACROSSE, SOCCER, ADULT SOCCER EVEN. AS YOU GET OLDER YOU DON'T WANT TO RUN A FULL 100 YARDS SO CONDENSING THE FIELD HELPS. BUT ALSO CREATING ROUTES FOR POSSIBLE CROSS COUNTRY COURSES. WE'VE MET WITH SEVERAL CROSS COUNTRY COACHES IN THE AREA AT THE COLLEGES AND IN HIGH SCHOOLS AND THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO WORK TOGETHER TO POTENTIALLY BRING SOMETHING TO CLAY COUNTY THAT PULLS PEOPLEFROM AROUND THE STATE. I'LL TURN IT BACK OVER TO ALAN. >> SPEAKER: SO IN CONCLUSION THERE ARE A LOT OF DIFFERENT ASSOCIATIONS OUT THERE THAT INVOLVE SPORTS TOURISM. THERE'S THE NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF SPORTS COMMISSIONS, FLORIDA SPORTS. IN TALLAHASSEE WE HAVE A FLORIDA SPORTS FOUNDATION WHICH IS FUNDED BY ALL THE SPORTS LICENSE PLATES. THAT'S A HUGE COUP FOR US IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA. MOST STATES DON'T HAVE THAT. SO, WHEN WE BRING AN REVENT WHERE A LOT OF ATTENDEES ARE COMING FROM OUTSIDE OF THE STATE THEY HELP WITH FUNDING, WITH HELPING YOU BRING EVENTS INTO TOWN. WE HAVE GREAT RELATIONSHIPS WITH THEM. CONNECT SPORTS IS A HUGE CONVENTION THAT YOU GO TO WHERE THERE ARE THOUSANDS OF EVENTS RIGHTS HOLDERS. WE'D BE GOING THERE REPRESENTING CLAY COUNTY AND TALKING TO THEM ABOUT BRINGING THEIR SPORTING EVENTS TO TOWN. JOEL AND I HAVE WORKED IN NACC FOR YEARS. WE HAVE HUGE RELATIONSHIPS WITHIN THE NCAA. WE CAN'T BRING MARCH MADNESS BUT WE CAN BRING THE REGIONALS IN CROSS COUNTRY. WE CAN BRING THE FINALS IN CROSS COUNTRY. FIND THOSE EVENTS THAT WE CAN BRING NCAA CHAMPIONSHIPS. MAYBE DIVISION 2, DIVISION 3 INTO PLAY. THE UNITED STATES OLYMPIC COMMITTEE THEN THE FLORIDA HIGH SCHOOL ATHLETIC ASSOCIATION. WE HAVE RELATIONSHIPS ALL THROUGHOUT THAT. SO, WE'D WORK WITH EVERYBODY WITHIN THIS COUNTY TO MAKE THOSE EVENTS HAPPEN. LIKE I SAID, WE HAVE 8 FULL-TIME PEOPLE ON OUR STAFF. SO, WHEN WE BRING AN EVENT HERE WE'RE USED TO UNARING THESE EVENTS, OPERATING THESE EVENTS, DOING THEM IN A FIRST CLASS MANNER AND WORKING WITH EVERYBODY THAT'S INVOLVED IN THE EVENT FROM CLAY COUNTY. THE FINAL THING IS JUST FROM THE FINANCIAL PIECE OF THE MODEL. WE WERE JUST -- WE PROPOSED A $5,500 MONTHLY RETAINER. ALL OF THE TRAVEL THAT WE DO, ALL OF THE BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT EXPENSES THAT WE DO TO BRING PEOPLE TO CLAY COUNTY, IF IT'S IN COLORADO SPRINGS AND THAT'S WHERE THE CONVENTION IS, WE'RE FLYING OUT THERE REPRESENTING CLAY COUNTY. ANY OF THE OTHER MARKETING PIECES, ALL THAT, WE TAKE ON OUT OF THOSE EXPENSES. AND WE REPRESENT THOSE. IF WE GO OVER IN THAT, THAT'S ON AIRSTREAM VENTURES TO PAY FOR THAT. BUT WE ARE VERY EXCITED ABOUT THIS OPPORTUNITY. AS WE SAID, WE DON'T EVEN OFFICIALLY REPRESENT YOU, WE DON'T HAVE A CONTRACT, WE HAVE FIVE MAJOR EVENTS THAT ARE VERY INTERESTED. THREE ARE DOING SITE VISITS ALREADY TO CLAY COUNTY. AND SO ONCE WE ARE ABLE TO GET A CONTRACT, I THINK WE'RE GOING TO SEE A MAJOR MOMENTUM PIECE FROM A SOCIAL MEDIA PRESENCE WORKING WITH KIMBERLY AND ALL TOURISM. I THINK YOU ARE GOING TO SEE CLAY COUNTY SPORTS OUT THERE IN A MAJOR WAY. JUST THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR TRUST FOR SEEING THE VISION OF SPORTS IN CLAY COUNTY. BECAUSE I CAN TELL YOU, IT CAN TURN A COUNTY IN A BIG WAY AND CONTINUE TO DID ALL THE POSITIVE THINGS THAT YOU ARE DOING. AND MR. CHAIRMAN, WITH THAT, I CAN OPEN IT UP FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
>> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: YES I HAVE ONE. THE FACT THAT WE'RE LIMITED ON BED SPACE AND WE HAVE NO INDOOR MULTI-PURPOSE VENUE, IS THAT GOING TO -- HOW IS THAT GOING TO IMPACT WHAT YOU GUYS DO
AND WHAT YOU GUYS SEE OUT THERE AS FAR AS THE MARKET? >> SPEAKER: FROM AN INDOOR FACILITY, THAT WON'T AFFECT US BECAUSE WE'LL GO GET THE EVENT THAT'S DON'T NEED THAT. WE'LL GET EVENTS OF THE FACILITIES THAT WE DO HAVE. AND, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S A WATER POLO THAT
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NEEDS AN OLYMPIC WE'LL JUST PASS AND GO ON TO THE NEXT EVENT WE CAN HOST. I THINK FROM A HOTEL STANDPOINT, A LOT OF THESE EVENTS THAT WE TALK TO, IT WILL FILL UP THE HOTEL ROOMS. IT WILL FILL UP ALL THE HOTEL ROOMS HERE WHICH I THINK IS A GOOD CHALLENGE TO HAVE. SO, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THESE EVENTS, THE COMPETITORS AND FAMILIES ARE COMING IN, THEY'RE LOOKING FOR GREAT RATES. THEY DON'T NEED A WALDORF ASTORIA. THEY JUST NEED SOMETHING COMFORTABLE WITH RESTAURANTS AND RETAIL ALL AROUND AND CERTAINLY IN THIS AREA WE HAVE THAT.>> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: OKAY. QUESTIONS? >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: WE TALKED ABOUT ANY KIND OF RATE OF RETURN. WHAT ARE YOU EXPECTING TO GIVE US FOR YOUR $66,000?
>> SPEAKER: IF YOU LOOK AT THIS AND IT DEPENDS ON HOW YOU WANT TO CALCULATE IT. WE BELIEVE IF YOU LOOK AT SOME OF THESE EVENTS THAT WE'RE ALREADY TALKING TO, THAT RETURN WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, KNIFE TIMES THAT IN -- FIVE TIMES THAT IN ONE YEAR. SO, OUR GOAL IS THAT IS CERTAINLY OFF THE INVESTMENT YOU ARE MAKING WITH US WE ARE GOING TO DOUBLE, TRIPLE THAT INVESTMENT EACH YEAR. THAT IS OUR GOAL. AND WE HAVE DONE THIS A LOT. THIS IS WHAT WE DO FOR A LIVING. AND SO THAT'S AN EASY ASSESSMENT. THE NICE THING ABOUT SPORTS IS IT'S VERY -- IT'S NOT ANECDOTAL. IT'S VERY TRACKABLE. SO, YOU KNOW, WE KNOW THAT THE RETURN ON THE INVESTMENT SHOULD DOUBLE, TRIPLE
THAT AMOUNT. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: WHAT KIND OF VALUATION CAN WE, I GUESS -- WHAT'S THE TERM OF THE CONTRACT. LET'S START THERE. AND IS THERE A WAY IF IN A YEAR WE CAN SAY DID WE AT LEAST BREAK EVEN YES OR NO. IF NOT, CAN WE GET OUT OF THE CONTRACT?
>> SPEAKER: ABSOLUTELY. WE'D LOVE A THREE YEAR DEAL JUST BECAUSE TO CREATE MOMENTUM AND BRANDING. THESE PEOPLE AT CONNECT SPORTS AND THE NATIONAL ASSOCIATION, THEY HAVEN'T HEARD OF CLAY COUNTY NECESSARILY IN BRINGING A LOT OF THIS. SO IT'S GOING TO TAKE US A YEAR ON A NATIONAL LEVEL TO GET CLAY COUNTY OUT THERE. HOWEVER BECAUSE WE'RE ALREADY BRINGING EVENTS HERE WE THINK IT WILL BE QUICKER THAN WE THINK. WE'D LOVE A THREE-YEAR DEAL. AND AFTER EACH YEAR COMING BACK AND EVALUATING OURSELVES TO YOU TO SAY, YOU KNOW, THIS IS WHAT YOU SPENT, THIS IS WHAT WE BROUGHT, IN TAXES, BEDS, EVERYTHING, AND WE WILL EACH YEAR GIVE YOU AN
ASSESSMENT OF THAT. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: A THREE YEAR DEAL? WELL, YOU KNOW, I LIKE THE CONCEPT BUT I'M JUST A LITTLE WAFFLY HERE ABOUT MAKING SURE WE GET OUR MONEY'S WORTH.
AND WHAT DO WE ANTICIPATE IN TERMS OF A CONTRACT WITH SOMEBODY? KIMBERLY?
>> SPEAKER: KIM BARBLY AND KAREN AND I HAVE TALKED. I MEAN, THERE WOULD TRY TO PROVIDE IN SORT OF MEASUREMENTS THAT THEY HAVE TO MEET, I MEAN, MONTHLY GOALS FOR THE $5,500.
>> COMMISSIONER: BOLE YEAH, I MEAN, I'LL TRY ANYTHING ONCE BUT I DON'T WANT TO BE LOCKED IN FOR
THREE YEARS AND KNOW IT IS A DEAD THING. >> ABSOLUTELY. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IS VERY IMPORTANT TO THE TOURIST DEVELOPMENT COUNCIL IS KEY PERFORMANCE MEASUREMENTS.
WITH AND WE REPORT THAT AS A DEPARTMENT TO THE TDC EVERY TIME THAT THE TDC MEETS. SO WE DO ANTICIPATE THERE IS A ROOM NIGHT GOAL. THERE ARE LEAD GOALS, SITE VISIT GOALS. THOSE KINDS OF THINGS THAT WE CAN PRESENT TO THE TDC AND TO YOU ALL THAT SPELLS OUT WE'RE WORKING TOWARDS THIS. I DO WANT THE BORD TO UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS A SALES AND MARKETING INITIATIVE. SO, WE'RE GOING TO BID ON GROUP BUSINESS AND BID ON SPORTS PROJECTS. WE AREN'T GOING TO WIN EVERY TIME. BUT WE ARE OUT THERE BUILDING AWARENESS FOR OUR DESTINATION AS A SPORTS
DESTINATION. >> SPEAKER: IF YOU LOOK BACK ON ONE OF THE SLIDES, SOME OF THESE EVENTS LIKE THE NCAA THEY AWARD IN FOUR YEAR CYCLES. SO THE NEXT CYCLE WE CAN GET WOULD BE EVENTS HAPPENING TWO YEARS FROM NOW. SO, IN THE SPORTS WORLD THEY OPERATE TWO, THREE, FOUR YEARS SOMETIMES OUT. SO, TO KIMBERLY'S POINT, WE'LL BE WORKING ON ALL OF THOSE. THERE ARE SOME LIKE NOW THAT WE CAN GET NEXT YEAR. BUT WE'RE GOING TO BE WORKING TO NOT ONLY GET THIS YEAR BUT WE'RE GOING TO BE WORKING TWO YEARS, THREE YEARS, FOUR YEARS IN ADVANCE TO BRING THOSE EVENTS BECAUSE THAT THEY MIGHT HAVE ALREADY PUT THEM IN OTHER CITIES THAT WE WANT TO TRY
TO GET THEM IN TWO TO THREE YEARS. >> AND THERE IS ONE OTHER MEASUREMENT THAT I WANT YOU ALL TO KNOW. THIS IS AN INITIATIVE THAT CAN FILL HOTEL ROOMS AND FILL OUR COMMUNITY FROM AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STANDPOINT DURING SLOWER TIMES. WHEN YOU LOOK AT HOTEL BOOKINGS DURING SUMMER, YOU KNOW, JUNE, JULY, AUGUST, SEPTEMBER, THAT TIMEFRAME. WE'RE SOFT. WE HAVE HOTEL ROOMS TO BOOK. OUR HOTEL, YOU KNOW, RATES ARE MORE
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ECONOMICAL DURING THAT TIME BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NOT AS MANY EVENTS HERE TO FILL THOSE HOTELS. SO, THERE WILL BE KEY PERFORMANCE MEASUREMENT IS TO ACTUALLY BOOK BUSINESS DURING THOSE SLOWER TIMES. SO THAT'S ANOTHER MEASUREMENT. WE DON'T WANT GROUPS IN APRIL. WE DON'T WANT GROUPS IN OCTOBER. THAT ISN'T GOING TO HELP US. SO, IT IS A STRATEGIC INITIATIVE FROMTHE TDC TO FILL THE GAPS IN OUR CALENDAR. >> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: IF WE WERE MAKING A DECISION BETWEEN THIS MONEY GOING TO SOMETHING ELSE THEN I THINK IT WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT DISCUSSION. BUT BECAUSE IT'S MONEY GENERATED THROUGH BED TAXES THAT HAS TO SPECIFICALLY GO BACK INTO A PROGRAM AND SINCE THE TDC HAS APPROVED IT AND IT'S GOING TOWARDS THAT EFFORT, I HAVE A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE ON IT. AND THERE'S NOT REALLY WE'RE NOT COMPARING OTHER GROUPS BECAUSE THEY'RE THE ONLY ONES WHO BID. SO, I THINK IT HAS A VERY REAL CHANCE OF GENERATING NEW HEADS IN BEDS AND SO I SUPPORT IT BECAUSE OF THAT. IF WE WERE JUST RANDOMLY DECIDING DO WE WANT TO PUT TAXPAYER DOLLARS INTO RECRUITING, PROBABLY NOT. MAYBE THAT WOULD BE A LITTLE DIFFERENT DISCUSSION. BUT BECAUSE IT'S TDC FUNDING THAT HAS TO GO
SPECIFICALLY TOWARDS EFFORTS FOR THAT, I'M IN FAVOR OF IT. >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: I HAVE A QUESTION. HOW MANY OTHER MUNICIPALITIES DO YOU HAVE AGREEMENTS WITH?
>> SPEAKER: NONE. THIS IS THE ONLY ONE. WE DO BRING EVENTS TO JACKSONVILLE BUT WE DON'T HAVE AN AGREEMENT WITH THEM TO DO THAT. AND SO, I MEAN, THIS WOULD BE THE ONLY MUNICIPAL AT WE'D
HAVE -- >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: HOW ARE YOU COMPENSATED WHEN YOU
BRING THEM EVENTS? >> SPEAKER: WHEN WE BRING THEM EVENTS A LOT OF TIMES WE CAN BE COMPENSATED FROM THE -- BECAUSE OF THE SIZE OF THE EVENT AND THE HOTELS AND ALL OF THAT, A LOT OF TIMES WE ARE FUNDED ON THE BACK END OF THAT FROM HOTELS OR FROM THAT KIND OF THING. REBATES OR TDC MONEYS OR STUFF LIKE THAT. A LOT OF TIMES WE'LL WORK OUT A DEAL WITH THAT EVENT PLANNER ON HOW WE DO THAT. AND BUT A LOT OF THOSE TIMES THEY'RE COMING -- THEY'RE CALLING US, WHAT CAN WE BRING TO JACKSONVILLE. SO WHAT WE'RE DOINGS UTILIZING THOSE RELATIONSHIPS THAT WE HAVE TO SAY JACKSONVILLE BUT WE ALSO HAVE THESE IN CLAY COUNTY LET'S GET YOU START THINKING TO CLAY
COUNTY AND THAT'S HOW WE WOULD DO IT. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: SO THIS IS
YOUR FIRST GOVERNMENT CONTRACT? >> SPEAKER: IT IS. YEP. >> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: ALWAYS
REMEMBER YOUR FIRST. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: I AM INCLINED TO SUPPORT IT AS LONG AS WE GOT SOME KIND OF EVALUATION CONTRACT AND IF WE CAN GET OUT OF THIS MAYBE IN A YEARLY BASIS IF IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT'S WORKING OUT. WHEN WE WRITE THE CONTRACT UP IF YOU WANT THREE YEARS, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT, AS LONG AS WE CAN EVALUATE IT EVERY YEAR AND MUTUALLY AGREE TO CONTINUE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. IF THAT'S DOABLE.
>> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: I WOULD CONCUR WITH YOU ON THAT, MR. BOLLA.
>> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: AND I'D LIKE TO SEE IT ONCE A YEAR TO THIS BOARD. I DON'T ALWAYS MAKE
THE TDC MEETINGS. >> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: TRUST BUT VERIFY
>> SPEAKER: WE'D LOVE TO GIVE YOU AN UPDATE EVERY YEAR. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: ESSENTIALLY WE'RE HIRING YOU AS A SALES ORGANIZATION. I'VE WORKED FOR A LOT OF COMPANIES AND YOU DON'T JUST GIVE YOUR SALESMAN FREE REIGN. YOU ASK WHAT YOU ARE DOING AND I LIKE TO
SEE RESULTS AT THE END OF THE YEAR. >> SPEAKER: ABSOLUTELY.
>> COMMISSIONER CELLA: ANYTHING THE TDC ADOPTS OR PASSES ALWAYS ROLLS THROUGH THIS BOARD. SO, IN MANY CASES IT'S IN A SIMILAR FORM AS THE TDC LOOKS AT IT AND EITHER APPROVES IT OR MAKES CHANGES AND RECOMMENDS IT TO THIS PARTICULAR BOARD. SO, CERTAINLY ANYTHING THAT COMES UP DURING THE COURSE OF THE YEAR YOU WOULD FIND OUT ABOUT THAT. TDC VOTED FOR THIS UNANIMOUSLY.
WE THINK IT'S A GREAT WAY TO USE THE TDT TAX THAT IS PAID THROUGH BED TAXES. I THINK WHAT STRUCK A NERVE WITH THE FOLKS ON THE TDC BOARD IS THESE GENTLEMEN, ALAN AND JOEL, DIDN'T COME IN TELLING US THAT WE NEEDED TO BUILD ALL KINDS OF DIFFERENT FIELDS AND STRUCTURES TO BE ABLE TO ATTRACT THIS. THEY SAW INTUITIVELY THAT WE HAVE OUR MONEYS DESIGNATED FOR OTHER THINGS LIKE ROADS AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS. SO THEY WERE SMART ENOUGH TO UNDERSTAND THAT, YOU KNOW, WITH RUNNING AND
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CYCLING AND KAYAKING AND ADVENTURE RACES AND OTHER THINGS THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT THAT WE COULD GROW INTO BEING A SPORTS DESTINATION BECAUSE THERE ARE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS BEING SPENT IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA SPECIFICALLY ON YOUTH SPORTS AND ALL KIND OF SPORTING EVENTS THAT WE COULD TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THINGS THAT WE HAVE OR DON'T HAVE. THEY SHOWED YOU AN EXAMPLE OF THAT AT THE FAIRGROUNDS WHERE THEY OPTED TO, YOU KNOW, MARK OUT A CROSS COUNTRY COURSE USING SOME FACILITIES AND JUST GOOD OLD-FASHIONED DIRT ROAD THAT FOLKS CAN RUN UP AND DOWN. SO, WE'RE VERY EXCITED ON THE TDC BOARD THAT THESE GENTLEMAN HAVE ALREADY STARTED IN TERMS OF SOME THINGS. THEY CAME ACROSS A COUPLE OF OPPORTUNITIES. REMEMBER WE VOTED ON APPROVING THEM TO HELP US OUT WITH A BID ON A COUPLE OF GOLF TOURNAMENTS, COLLEGE GOLF TOURNAMENTS.UNFORTUNATELY WE DIDN'T GET THOSE BUT THAT'S OKAY. WE WERE IN THERE AND THEY'LL KNOW US FOR THIS NEXT TIME AROUND. SO, YEAH WE'RE VERY EXCITED ON THE TDC BOARD. I PERSONALLY AM VERY MUCH FOR THE CONTRACT MOVING FORWARD AND GIVEN THE TALK IN TERMS OF WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO MAKE SURE THERE'S SOME METRICS. YOU KNOW, I WILL MAKE A MOTION HERE AND NOW THAT WE MOVE FORWARD ON IT.
>> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: SECOND. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: FURTHER DISCUSSION OR QUESTIONS? ALL IN
FAVOR SAY AYE. OPPOSED. SO, DONE. >> SPEAKER: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
WE LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: THANK YOU.
[18. 5:00 PM Time Certain or as soon thereafter as can be heard - Public Hearing on the adoption of an Ordinance amending Article 1 of Chapter 3 of the Clay County Code, Alcoholic Beverages, in order to provide for a limited exception for the 2020 Scottish Highland Games and request for Board approval of the Alcoholic Beverage Permit Application to allow beer/wine sales at the 2020 Scottish Highland Games]
MOVING ON TO ITEM 18. ANOTHER TIME CERTAIN AS WE CONTINUE PUBLIC HEARING ON THE ADOPTION OF ORDINANCE AMENDING ARTICLE 1 OF CHAPTER THREE OF THE CLAY COUNTY CODE. ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES IN ORDER TO PROVIDE A LIMITED EXCEPTION FOR THE 2020 SCOTTISH HIGHLAND GAMES AND REQUEST THE BOARD APPROVE THE BEVERAGE PERMIT TO ALLOW BEVERAGE SALE AT THE SCOTTISH HIGHLAND GAMES. WHOIS PRESENTING? >> I GUESS I CAN START WITH THE ORDINANCE THEN JAMES WILL YOU DO
THE PERMIT REQUEST? >> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: SO THIS INCLUDE SAMPLES?
[LAUGHTER] I'M SORRY. >> AT THE BOARD'S DIRECTION WE'VE PREPARED AN AMENDMENT TO THE ALCOHOL ORDINANCE TO PROVIDE LIMITED ONE-TIME EXCEPTION FOR THE SCOTTISH GAMES FOR THEIR EVENT SCHEDULED ON FEBRUARY 29, 2020, TO ALLOW ATTENDEES OF ALL AGES TO ENTER INTO THE ALCOHOL ZONE AS LONG AS THEY'RE COMPANIED BY SOMEONE WHO IS
LEGALLY OF AGE. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: DISCUSSION FROM THE BOARD?
>> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: I'LL MOVE FOR APPROVAL. >> WE NEED THE PUBLIC HEARING
FIRST. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY PROBLEMS LAST TIME
RIGHT? NO THEY'VE DONE IT FOR A COUPLE YEARS NOW. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: WE'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND HEAR FROM ANYBODY THAT MAY HAVE AN OPINION ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. GO AHEAD,
MR. AUTO. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: JAMES AUTO 2904-2910 BLANDING BOULEVARD SEX AND BUDS CLAY COUNTY FLORIDA HOTELS. YOU CAN REACH US AT SEX BUDS 1 @GMAIL.COM. THANK YOU.
I'M AGAINST ANY OF THE ALCOHOL PUSHING TO TRY TO GET MORE MONEY IN THE FAIRGROUNDS. THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO STAY IN THE TENT. YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT ALLOWING THEM TO GO OUTSIDE THE TENT. YOU ARE ALSO TALKING NOW ABOUT LETTING MINORS INTO THE AREA FOR ALCOHOL. I'M TOTALLY AGAINST THAT. IT'S JUST NOT A GOOD IDEA. THAT'S NOT WHAT WE STARTED WITH. YOU KNOW, THESE ARE TAKING AWAY AGENDAS FOR SMALL BUSINESSES. SO, I THINK WE SHOULD LEAVE THAT MORE FOR THEIR COMMUNITY AND NOT BE TRYING TO TAKE ALL THESE AGENDA ITEMS OR ALL THESE DIFFERENT EVENTS I'M SORRY AND TRYING TO DO THEM FOR NEXT TO NOTHING LIKE THE PARKS AT A DOLLAR. THOSE PARKS SHOULD BE AT A THOUSAND DOLLARS, A COUPLE OF THOUSAND DOLLARS A SEASON. SO, YOU KNOW, JUST TO MAKE MORE MONEY AND MAKE THE FAIR LOOK MORE PROFITABLE BY USING -- WITH USING ALCOHOL IS NOT SOMETHING THAT I THINK WE SHOULD -- WOULD ENCOURAGE. SO, AGAIN, WE HAD A DISCUSSION. THE ALCOHOL WAS SUPPOSED TO STAY IN THE TENTS. AND IT WAS JUST SUPPOSED TO BE THOSE TYPE OF AGE. IT'S NOT BACK IN THE DAY WHEN SOME ARE 21 AND SOME ARE 18 AND SOME ARE -- IT'S STRAIGHT 21
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ACROSS THE BOARD NOW LIKE CIGARETTES. SO, IF WE CAN LEAVE THE ALCOHOL IN THAT WE'LL JUST REMEMBER ALL WRECKED CARS IN FRONT OF OUR SCHOOLS AND ALL THAT IN YOUR DECISION. THANKYOU. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: ANYONE ELSE? WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
>> HARDEE GIBSON PRESIDENT NORTHEAST SCOTTISH GAMES AND FESTIVAL. WE'RE A 501(C)(3) ALL CHARITY COMMUNITY THAT'S ALL VOLUNTEER ORGANIZATION. THIS WILL BE OUR 25TH ANNIVERSARY OF WHICH 17 YEARS OF IT WE'VE HAD IN CLAY COUNTY AT THE FAIRGROUNDS. PART OF THE SCOTTISH HERITAGE IS HAVING A GOOD BEER. OR SOME SCOTCH. THIS YEAR THROUGH SOME REQUESTS THAT WE'VE HAD PARENTS WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO BRING THEIR CHILDREN IN TO WITNESS THE EVENTS. WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE'VE EXPANDED A LITTLE BIT. IT'S STILL GOING TO BE TO BE ENCLOSED AREA. NO ALCOHOL GOING OUT OF THE ENCLOSED AREA. BUT THIS WILL BE ALLOWING THE PARENTS TO COME IN WITH THEIR MINOR CHILDREN, SIT DOWN ON BLEACHERS, WATCH THE HEAVY ATHLETICS OR WATCH OUR CE CELTIC BANDS. PARENTS THEN HOPEFULLY IT WILL HELP US MORE SINCE WE ARE A NONPROFIT AND THAT WILL ALLOW US TO DO THE GAMES NEXT YEAR. SO, THIS IS WHY WE'VE ASKED FOR THE EXEMPTION. AND WE'VE EVEN BEEN ENCOURAGED BY SOME MEMBERS OF THE LAW ENFORCEMENT AREA HERE TO EXTEND AND ASK FOR THE EXEMPTION TOO. WE HAVE SAFE MEASURES OR CHECK MEASURESMENT PHOTO I.D. WILL BE REQUIRED. WRISTBAND WITH A STAMP. IF YOU DON'T HAVE A WRISTBAND AND A STAMP YOU DON'T BUY A BEER. NO ONE UNDER 21 WILL BE ALLOWED IN INTO THE AREA UNLESS ACCOMPANIED BY A 21 OR OLDER ADULT. I THINK THIS WILL WORK OUT. PLUS LIKE I SAID IT ALLOWS FAMILIES TO SIT TOGETHER TO WATCH HEAVY ATHLETICS OR ROCK BANDS. ANY QUESTIONS? COMMISSION BOLLA I THINK KEEPING THE FAMILIES TOGETHER IS A CRITICAL THING. YOU DON'T WANT TO LEAVE
YOUR KIDS BEHIND WHILE YOU ARE WATCHING SOMETHING ELSE. >> SPEAKER: NO SIR. ONE OF THE STATEMENTS THAT WAS MADE THE INDIVIDUAL SAID I REALLY DON'T WANT TO GO IN TO HAVE A BEER AND LEAVE MY 11-YEAR-OLD DAUGHTER OUTSIDE. IN TOWDAY'S TIME I CAN AGREE WITH THAT.
>> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: I THINK SOME DAY WE MIGHT EVEN BE READY FOR SCOTCH TASTING.
>> SPEAKER: I WOULD LOVE THAT. LEAVE IT UP TO YOU GUYS. >> COMMISSIONER CELLA: COULD WE
HAVE MR. AUTO STOP TALKING. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: THIS IS YOUR FIRST WARNING. IF I HAVE TO SPEAK TO YOU AGAIN YOU ARE GOING OUTSIDE. DO YOU UNDERSTAND? OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE FOR MR. GIBSON? THANK YOU, SIR. DID WE NOT EXTEND A SIMILAR EXTENSION TO THE -- WHAT WAS THE
OTHER EVENT WE JUST HAD. HAM JAM. >> COMMISSIONER CELLA: WE ALSO DID THAT WITH THE CONCERT ON THE GREEN. BOTH WORKED OUT WELL. MR. GIBSON'S ORGANIZATION WAS THE FIRST. EVEN IN THE BEER TENT THEY WERE DEHYDRATED BECAUSE IT WAS 90 DEGREES. THE SECOND YEAR THEY GREW IT TO TWO TENTS. AND PEOPLE SHOULD UNDERSTAND THAT THEY USE THAT MONEY TOWARDS SCHOLARSHIPS AS WELL AS BEING ABLE TO PUT BACK INTO THE FAIR, THE SCOTTISH GAMES TO RUN AGAIN.
SO, I'M TOTALLY IN SUPPORT BUT I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: A MOTION AND A SECOND. FURTHER DISCUSSION. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. OPPOSED. 4-1.
>> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: WITH RESPECT TO THE --. >> THE SECOND PART OF ITEM NUMBER 18 IS THE REQUEST FOR BOARD APPROVAL OF THE ALCOHOL BEVERAGE PERMIT APPLICATION TO ALLOW THE EVENT TO SELL THE ALCOHOL. IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE ALCOHOL ORDINANCE THEY HAD THE COMMITTEE MEETING AND THE EVENT HAS COMPLIED WITH ALL OF THE REQUIREMENTS TO DATE AND ARE JUST HERE ASKING FOR YOU TO APPROVE IT SO THEY CAN MOVE FORWARD.
>> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: FOR THE ACTUAL PERMIT ITSELF? DISCUSSIONS? IS THERE A MOTION? MOTION AND A SECOND. FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. OPPOSED. 4-1. OKAY. MOVING
[19. 5:00 Time Certain of as soon thereafter as can be heard - First Public Hearing to consider CPA 2019-11 to amend from BF Rural Suburb to BF Master Planned Community on 98.18 acres. (P.C. voted 6-0, to deny)]
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ON TO ITEM NUMBER 19. I HAVE NOTATIONS HERE. I UNDERSTAND THIS ITEM HAS BEEN WITHDRAWN BY THE APPLICANT TEMPORARILY. BUT IS THAT CORRECT, MS. FRAZIER? BUT I DO KNOW THERE ARE NUMBER OF FOLKS THAT CAME DOWN TO SPEAK TO THIS. EVEN THOUGH WE'RE NOT GOING TO HEAR THE PROPOSAL OR TAKE A VOTE TONIGHT I'D LIKE TO ACCOMMODATE THOSE WHO COME TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS PROJECT. SO, I HAVE NO COMMENT CARDS FROM ANYONE ON THIS PARTICULAR THING. DO YOU HAVEONE IN MR. AUTO? >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: I BELIEVE SO. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: ALL RIGHT
YOU DO HAVE ONE. >> I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING US TO WITH DRAW THIS ITEM AND WE EXPECT TO COME BACK WITH MORE INFORMATION. IF ANYBODY IS HERE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM I'LL BE OUTSIDE I'D LOVE TO GET YOUR INFORMATION SO WE CAN HAVE A COMMUNITY MEETING AND
COORDINATE THAT BEFORE WE COME BACK. THANK YOU MUCH. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: RIGHT NOW THE ONLY CARD I HAVE IS MR. AUTO. SO, WE'LL ADDRESS YOU, SIR.
>> PUBLIC SPEAKER: YES, SIR. THANK YOU. JAMES AUTO 2904-2910 BLANDING BOULEVARD SEX TOYS OF CLAY COUNTY FLORIDA. I'D JUST LIKE TO ASK THE CITIZENS TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT MR. LONDON'S PRESENTATION AND TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION. IT WAS A REALLY GOOD PRESENTATION. I SIT HERE AND I LISTEN TO LIKE EVERY OTHER WEEK ABOUT HOW WE'RE OVERGROWTH AND WE CAN'T MAINTAIN OUR ROADS AND THE $130 MILLION ISN'T EVEN GOING TO DO THE MAINTENANCE. THAT'S JUST TO PUSH THESE OTHER DEVELOPMENTS. I'M GLAD TO SEE MR. CLEMSMAN HERE AND SOME OF THE OTHER PUBLIC THAT I HAVEN'T SEEN IN A WHILE. MAYBE MR. CHRISTIANSEN WILL BE UP HERE AND TALK ON SOME OF THESE THINGS. HOPEFULLY. BUT MOST OF US THAT ACTUALLY SHOW UP THAT AREN'T BUILDING HOUSES AND THAT ARE ASKING YOU TO SLOW DOWN. JUST TAKE A BREATHER. LET'S GET OUR ROADS TOGETHER, GET, YOU KNOW, WE JUST GOT THAT IMPACT FEE PUT BACK IN THAT WE LOST MILLIONS AND MILLIONS JUST IN THREE OR FOUR MONTHS WE LOST $12 MILLION, YOU KNOW, TO SOMETHING TO THAT AFFECT. I DON'T KNOW IF WE GOT AN EXACT ANSWER ON THE AMOUNT THAT WE LOST IN THREE, FOUR, FIVE MONTHS THAT WE JUST LET IT KEEP GOING. BUT I JUST ASK YOU TO SLOW THE ROLL. LIKE TO TELL THE CITIZENS MAYBE PUT A MORATORIUM. IF IT'S NOT OR YOUR FAMILY MEMBER MOVING TO THE COMMUNITY, YOU KNOW, THE CIP IS LOOKING AT CHANGING SOME THINGS TOO. SO, I'LL FORWARD THAT LAST MINUTE BACK TO YOU
SIR. THANK YOU. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: THANK YOU. ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT? HEARING NONE -- YES, MA'AM YOU HAVE ONE. IF YOU WOULD FILL OUT A CARD FOR
US BEFORE YOU LEAVE. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: LAURA ROWE, 1211 SIRI GLEN, MIDDLEBURG, FLORIDA. I LIVE IN THE FOX MEADOW SUBDIVISION. WE ALREADY HAVE A LOT OF TRAFFIC PROBLEMS ON OLD JENNINGS. WE HAVE A TWO-LANE ROAD AND WE ONLY HAVE ONE WAY TO GET OUT OF OUR SUBDIVISION RIGHT NOW. AND THAT IS OLD JENNINGS. WE HAVE TO GO ON OLD JENNINGS NO MATTER WHAT WE DO. THEN YOU HAVE AN OPTION YOU CAN TURN ON TO LONG BAY. THERE AGAIN IS A TWO-LANE ROAD.
WITH SUBDIVISIONS COMING IN RIGHT AND LEFT ALL THE ALONG IT AND YOU KNOW WHAT THE CONSTRUCTION IS AT THE END OF IT AT BLANDING. AT OLD JENNINGS THE END IS ALSO BLANDING. WE HAVE A LOT OF TRAFFIC NOW. I MEAN, WE HAVE BACKUPS IN THE MORNING THAT IT CAN TAKE YOU SOMETIMES 20 MINUTES TO GET FROM FOX MIDDLE SUBDIVISION TO 23 BECAUSE OF ALL THE DELAYS. I JUST WANT
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YOU TO CONSIDER THAT TRAFFIC SITUATION AND THE CONDITION OF THE TWO-LANE ROADS AND THE POSSIBILITY THAT IF WE EVER HAVE TO EVACUATE THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, IT IS GOING TO BE GRIDLOCK. OKAYTHANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: THANK YOU, MA'AM. ANYONE ELSE? OKAY WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT THIS TIME AND BRING IT BACK TO THE BOARD. ALTHOUGH IT'S BEEN WITHDRAWN SO THERE'S NO BOARD ACTION NECESSARY. I GUESS WE CAN MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ITEM. NUMBER
[20. 5:00 Time Certain or as soon as can be heard - Final Public Hearing to consider CPA 2019-13 to amend from Commercial to Urban Core (16) on 4.19 acres.]
20. AMEND THE COMMERCIAL TO URBAN CORE ON H4.19 ACRES. >> SPEAKER: IT IS A PUBLIC HEARING FOR LAND USE AMENDMENT. SMALL SCALE LAND USE AMENDMENT FROM COMMERCIAL TO URBAN CORE.
IT'S LOCATED AT 515 COLLEGE DRIVE WHICH IS NEAR THE SOUTHERN END OF COLLEGE DRIVE ON THE EAST SIDE. IT IS IN YOUR DISTRICT MR. HENDRY. THE APPLICANTS ARE MR. HALE, MERCY SUPPORT SERVICES, AND THEY'RE REPRESENTING RIVER CHRISTIAN CHURCH. THE PLANNING COMMISSION HEARD THIS ITEM ON THE 7TH OF THE MONTH. AND THEY VOTED 6 450I6 TO -- 6 TO 0 TO APPROVE IT. THIS IS SOME PICTURES OF THE SITE. THERE'S AN EXISTING -- WHAT USED TO BE A CHURCH IS NOW MERCY SUPPORT SERVICES OFFICE BUILDING. AND SO THE PROPOSAL IS TO UTILIZE THE LAND THAT SURROUNDS THAT EXISTING BUILDING TO MAKE APARTMENTS. AND THIS WOULD BE URBAN CORE 16. SO THE PICTURE SHOWS THE PROPERTY THAT'S A LITTLE BIT TO THE SOUTH OF THE BUILDING AND THEN THERE'S PROPERTY TO THE NORTH AND TO THE EAR OF THE BUILDING THAT WOULD BE SUBJECT TO THIS. 16 UNITS PER ACRE IS ALLOWED IN OUR COMP PLAN AS LONG AS THERE IS A TRANSIT LINE AND WE DO HAPPEN TO HAVE THE BLUE LINE RIGHT THERE SERVICING THAT. SO THAT ALLOWS THEM TO GO TO THE 16 UNITS PER ACRE. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL. IT'S CROSS THE STREET FROM -- THERE IS AN ADULT LIVING FACILITY ACROSS THE STREET FOR ELDER CARE. THERE'S SOME OTHER PROJECTS ALONG COLLEGE DRIVE
THAT ARE SOMEWHAT SIMILAR AND WE THINK THIS IS A GOOD LOCATION. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: THANK YOU
MA'AM. DO WE NEED ANOTHER PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS ONE? >> SPEAKER: THIS WOULD BE THE
FINAL ADOPTION HEARING BECAUSE IT IS A SMALL SCALE AMENDMENT. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: SO WE DO NEED A PUBLIC HEARING ON IT? WE'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. ANONE WANTING TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS PROJECT NOW IS YOUR TIME. I'M SORRY, MR. HALE THE APPLICANT ARE YOU HERE, SIR? I
APOLOGIZE. WE NORMALLY LET YOU HAVE FIRST SHOT AT IT. >> SPEAKER: GOOD AFTERNOON. GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS. GOOD AFTERNOON ALL. MY NAME IS PATRICK HALE. I AM THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF MERCY SUPPORT SERVICES. FOUR OF OUR BOARD MEMBERS ARE HERE AS WELL. AND SOME OF OUR MAJOR SUPPORTERS. MERCY SUPPORT SERVICES HAS BEEN AROUND SINCE 2010. BEFORE THAT WE WERE MERCY NETWORK. WE ARE A CHRIST CENTERED ORGANIZATION EMPLOYING PEOPLE IN CLAY COUNTY WHO ARE CIRCUMSTANTIALLY IN NEED TO A SUSTAINABLE, INDEPENDENT FUTURE. SINCE 2013 MERCY SUPPORT SERVICES HAS IMPACTED THE LIVES OF MORE THAN 28,000 PEOPLE THROUGH OUR CALL CENTER. THROUGH A SELF-SUFFICIENCY, RAPID REHOUSING AND EVICTION PREVENTION PROGRAMS, MORE THAN 150 FAMILIES HAVE FOUND PERMANENT HOMES. MERCY HAS ALSO ADMINISTERED A RECOVERING CLAIM FOR IRMA VICTIMS SEEING 16 FAMILIES BACK IF THEIR HOMES. 18 ACTUALLY. THIS AND MUCH MORE WE DO WITH THREE FULL-TIME STAFF MEMBERS, FOUR PART-TIME, AND OPERATING OUT OF A 1,500 SQUARE FOOT HOME THAT WE HAVE CONVERTED TO OFFICE. JUST IMAGINE WHAT WE'LL BE ABLE TO DO WITH THIS PROPERTY. WHAT ARE OUR PLANS FOR 515 COLLEGE DRIVE? THE EXISTING BUILDING OF APPROXIMATELY 7,000
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SQUARE FEET WILL BE USED FOR MERCY OFFICES AND SPACE MADE AVAILABLE FOR WRAP AROUND SERVICES THAT WILL BE PROVIDED BY OUR PARTNERS. THE LAND WE WILL BUILD 60-PLUS APARTMENTS ON IT. A THIRD OF THOSE APARTMENTS WILL BE USED FOR OUR PROGRAMS. AND TWO-THIRDS OF THE APARTMENTS WILL BE AFFORDABLE HOMES FOR OUR GRADUATES FOR WORKFORCE, FOR VETERANS AND FOR SENIORS. THE APARTMENTS WILL BE BUILT IN PHASES AS FUNDS ARE RAISED. SO THAT MERCY CAN CONTINUE TO TOUCHLIVES AND CHANGE FUTURES. THANK YOU. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: THANK YOU.
WE'LL WELL FAMILIAR WITH YOUR WORK THAT YOUR ORGANIZATION DOES AND YOU ARE TO BE COMMENDED YOU GOT A HECK OF A RECORD AND WE WISH YOU SUCCESS IN YOUR FUTURE ENDEAVORS. WE HAVE DISCUSSED THIS I BELIEVE AT OUR LAST MEETING AND SOUNDED LIKE A PRETTY GOOD IDEA THAT TIME. I SEE NOTHING TO CHANGE IT. ANYWAY, ANYTHING ELSE FROM THE PUBLIC HEARING? MR. AUTO?
>> PUBLIC SPEAKER: YES, SIR, JAMES AUTO SEX AND BUDS CLAY COUNTY FLORIDA HOTELS. YOU CAN REACH US AT SEX BUDS 1 @GMAIL.COM. I CAN'T EVEN BELIEVE THAT WE'RE THINKING ABOUT THIS. I MEAN, IT'S PROBABLY A GREAT ORGANIZATION BUT, UNFORTUNATELY, THE PRIOR BOARD IN THE BEGINNING OF THIS BOARD OVER BUILT. THEY JUST STRAIGHT UP OVERBUILT. I MEAN, COLLEGE ROAD, THE SAME ONE THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT OVER THE LAST FEW MONTHS THAT'S GOT ALL THE TRAFFIC AND ALL THE PROBLEMS AND, I MEAN, THERE'S PROBABLY STILL STUFF THAT HASN'T EVEN STARTED OVER THERE THAT YOU GUYS HAVE ALREADY APPROVED. SO, YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT GOING UP AND JUST DUMPING A BUNCH OF TRAFFIC HERE. THIS WOULD BE MORE SUITABLE PROBABLY DOWN BY 23 WHERE THERE'S MORE ROOM AT THAT HOSPITAL. MAYBE YOU CAN -- I'M NOT REALLY SURE HOW THAT WOULD WORK FOR THEM. I APOLOGIZE I SAID I SEEN MR. CHRISTIANSEN. I MEANT MR. GARRISON. BUT I HOPE BOTH OF THEM WILL SPEAK TODAY. BUT APARTMENTS ON COLLEGE, I MEAN, I JUST CAN'T EVEN SEE HOW YOU COULD EVEN FATHOM THAT WITH YOUR ROAD PROJECTS. 218 AND 21 IS ON FIRST ON THE LINE. AND IT'S NOT BECAUSE OF THE TRAFFIC. IT'S BECAUSE OF SAFETY OF PEDESTRIANS AROUND THERE AND THE SAFETY COMING, YOU KNOW, FROM, YOU KNOW, OUT ON 301 TO 21. IT'S A BAD AREA RIGHT THERE FOR ACCIDENTS AND ALL THAT. BUT HONESTLY, I MEAN, THERE'S REALLY NO WAY THAT I COULD SEE THIS BOARD APPROVING ANYMORE TRAFFIC WHATSOEVER ON COLLEGE ROAD. I MEAN, HONESTLY CAN WE SIT HERE IN GOODWILL AND TELL THE CITIZENS THAT HAVE BEEN THERE FOR ALL THESE YEARS THAT YOU ARE GOING TO JUST DUMP ALL THAT TRAFFIC. I DON'T THINK YOU CAN. I REALLY DON'T. YOU KNOW, IT REMINDS ME OF THE BUS PROBLEM WE GOT. CLAY TRANSIT. WHERE YOU JUST RUN IT INTO THE GROUND AND THEN WE HAD MONTHS OF NO TRANSIT FOR THE VETS TO GO TO WHERE THEY NEEDED TO GO. TO THE HOSPITAL, APPOINTMENTS, PEOPLE GOING TO JOBS. YOU KNOW, WE GOT TO START AT THE BASIC. I APPRECIATE ALL THE SIDEWALKS Y'ALL ARE DOING. THAT'S JUST AN AWESOME PROJECT TO GOAT PEOPLE BIKING, EXERCISING, AND OFF THE ROADS. BUT WITH ALL THE TOXIC DUMPING IN THE EASY BASE AND ALL THAT WE REALLY NEED TO LOOK AT THOSE PROBLEMS BECAUSE OUR DRINKING WATER SHOULD BE NUMBER ONE.
THANK YOU. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENTS? OKAY WE'LL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENTS AND BRING IT BACK TO THE BOARD FOR DISCUSSION.
>> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: IT'S YOUR DISTRICT ARE YOU GOOD WITH THIS ONE?
>> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: I CERTAINLY. >> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: MOVE FOR APPROVAL.
>> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: A MOTION AND SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. OPPOSED. SO, DONE. THANK YOU.
[21. 5:00 Time Certain or as soon thereafter as can be heard - Final Public Hearing to consider rezoning from BB-2 to RD-4 at 515 College Drive (P.C. voted 6-0 to recommend approval)]
ITEM 21. FINAL PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER REZONING BB2 TO RD-4 AT 515 COLLEGE DRIVE. THIS WOULD BE[01:50:05]
IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE MOTION WE JUST APPROVED I ASSUME. THE PLEASURE OF THE BOARD. MOTION?AND A SECOND. >> COMMISSIONER CELLA: ARE YOU DOING 21? THERE IS ANOTHER
PUBLIC HEARING. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING TO SPEAK ON REZONING OF THE PROPERTY OF 515 COLLEGE DRIVE WHICH THE PLANNING COMMISSION VOTED 6-0 TO RECOMMEND. ANYONE WANTING TO SPEAK ON THAT? GO AHEAD, MR. AUTO.
>> PUBLIC SPEAKER: JAMES AUTO, 201004-2910 BLANDING BOULEVARD SEX AND BUDS CLAY COUNTY FLORIDA
HOTELS. YOU CAN REACH US AT SEX BUDS 1 @GMAIL.COM. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: WE'LL GIVE YOU YOUR TIME. BUT POINT OF ORDER. WE DON'T NEED MR. AUTO TO TELL US HIS WEBSITE ADDRESS OR EMAIL ADDRESS. ALL WE NEED IS HIS MAILING ADDRESS. THAT'S ALL WE REQUIRE. AND I TAKE EXCEPTION TO THE FACT HE IS ADVERTISING HIS BUSINESS AS PART OF HIS SPEECH.
>> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: NO NOTED. YOU WILL REFRAIN FROM GIVING YOUR CONTACT INFORMATION
MR. AUTO THAT WILL BE FINE. CONTINUE ON. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: YOU ARE NOT
ALLOWED TO GIVE YOUR CONTACT INFORMATION? >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: CONTINUE ON.
>> PUBLIC SPEAKER: WELL I EXPECT THAT ACROSS THE BOARD, SIR. OKAY. YES, SIR. SO, DID I HEAR SOMEBODY DULL ENTERTAINMENT ON THIS ITEM HERE. THERE'S LIKE 35 SITES IN CLAY COUNTY IS THIS ONE OF THE SITES? YOU SAID SOMETHING ABOUT ADULT EARLIER. ON 21 AND 22 KIND OF RUN TOGETHER. I'M DISAPPOINTED THAT YOU VOTED 5-0 TO APPROVE THAT. I CAN'T SEE HOW AFTER ALL THE ISSUES WITH COLLEGE ROAD AND TRYING TO EXPAND IT. I BELIEVE THAT'S THE ONE WHERE YOU GOT TO GO THROUGH PUBLIX SHOPPING CENTER WITH THE BIG CHURCHES ON THE CORNER. THAT'S THE END OF COLLEGE BY 21.
YEAH THAT'S COLLEGE ROAD. ON THE OTHER SIDE OF WHERE PUBLIX IS, YEAH. SO, THERE'S SO MANY PEOPLE THAT COME OUT ON THE CONGESTION ON THIS WHOLE LITTLE AREA RIGHT THERE THAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW YOU COULD BE APPROVING THIS. I REALLY DON'T. SAFETY WISE LIKE THE LADY CAME UP HERE AND SAID, YOU KNOW, JUST ON ONE OF THE PRIOR AGENDAS. AND IF YOU GO BACK AND LOOK AT JUST THE LAST COUPLE OF BOARD MEETINGS, YOU KNOW, THESE FOLKS WITH THE SCHOOL, THE CHARTER SCHOOLS THAT GET APPROVED AND ALL THE TRAFFIC AND I JUST DON'T SEE HOW YOU CAN KEEP APPROVING THIS STUFF. THEN ASK US FOR $130 MILLION LOAN THAT WE GOT TO PAY ALL THIS INTEREST FOR. IT'S JUST NOT RIGHT FOR THE CITIZENS AT ALL. IT SHOULD BE ON THE BALLOT IF ANYTHING. NOT FIVE
VOTES. THANK YOU. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: ANYONE ELSE TO SPEAK TO THIS ISSUE? IF NOT, WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND BRING IT BACK TO THE BOARD FOR DISCUSSION AND FOR MOVEMENT.
>> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: I MOVE FOR APPROVAL. >> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: SECOND.
>> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. SO, DONE. MOVING ON TO ITEM 22. NEW POLICY ENCOURAGING
[22. 5:00 Time Certain or as soon thereafter as can be heard - Final Public Hearing to Adopt a New Policy Encouraging the Four-Laning of S.R. 16]
THE FOUR LANING OF STATE ROAD 16. ED, DO YOU GOT THIS? >> THIS IS THE ADOPTION HEARING TO ADD TRA POLICY 1.1.7 WHICH ENCOURAGES D.O.T. TO MAKE THE WIDENING OF STATE ROAD 16 AS A HIGH PRIORITY WHEN THEY DEVELOP THE WORK PROGRAM. THIS IS ADOPTION. WE TRANSMITTED IT A FEW MONTHS AGO AND THERE WERE NO COMMENTS FROM ANY OF THE AGENCIES.
>> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: ISN'T THIS REALLY A NO-BRAINER? >> SPEAKER: I THINK IT IS.
>> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: DID YOU HAVE A CARD TURNED IN? ALL RIGHT COME UP AND SPEAK MR. AUTO.
>> PUBLIC SPEAKER: I MOST CERTAINLY DID HAVE ONE ON THIS TOPIC. JAMES AUTO 2904-2910 BLANDING BOULEVARD SEX AND BUDS CLAY COUNTY FLORIDA HOTELS. THIS IS ABSURD TO BE PUSHING 16 WHATSOEVER THROUGH THERE. THERE'S OTHER AREAS OF THE COUNTY THIS FAIR SHARE THING HAS BEEN A COMPLETE DISASTER. AND I HOPE WE REMEMBER THAT IN THE FUTURE WHEN WE START BUILDING OUT KEYSTONE, CLAY HILL AND THE OTHER AREAS OVER THERE ON THAT PART OF THE COUNTY.-
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JUST, YOU KNOW -- I DRIVE 16 ALL THE TIME ANDS THERE ABSOLUTELY HARD ANILY TRAFFIC HERE. THE ONLY WE GOT A PROBLEM WITH TRAFFIC IS DURING THE FAIRGROUNDS. AND YOU ALL ARE TRYING TO GET THAT TO COME IN OFF THE OTHER DIRECTION AND OPEN INTO THERE AND THAT WOULD BE GREAT. BUT TO WIDEN THESE ROADS WHEN WE GOT ALL THESE ROADS IN THIS COUNTY TO EVEN WORK ON THAT ROAD, THAT'S A NICE ROAD OVER THERE. WE GOT ROADS THROUGHOUT THIS COUNTY THAT NEED TO BE WORKED ON. IN FACT THE NUMBER ONE ROAD IS 218 AND 21 HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH 16. 16 AND 21 IS OBVIOUSLY ANOTHER ISSUE THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED. BUT, I MEAN, THIS IS JUST -- I CAN'T EVEN BELIEVE IT'S ON THE TOP FIVE TO DEAL WITH THIS AREA. I MEAN, WITH ALL THE FOLKS THAT COME IN HERE OVER THE LAST FEW MONTHS AND COMPLAIN ABOUT THE ROAD PROBLEMS, FOR YOU GUYS TO PUSH THIS 16 AREA JUST FOR THIS FAIR GRABBEDS IS RIDICULOUS YOU KNOW. IT REALLY IS. 17 WOULD BE A BETTER COMPONENT OR BETTER STREET TO SPEND THE MONEY ON. AND THEY REALLY DON'T EVEN DESERVE IT OVER THERE. BECAUSE THEY BUILT THAT WHOLE AREA WITHOUT INFRASTRUCTURE PAYMENTS.08 TO 18. I DON'T FEEL SORRY FOR THEM. I DON'T FEEL SORRY FOR THAT SIDE OF THE COUNTY ONE BIT.
AND I DON'T THINK THE OTHER SIDE OF THE COUNTY WHERE I'M FROM CARES THAT MUCH EITHER. I HOPE THEY START SHOWING UP TO THESE MEETINGS BECAUSE THE WAY WE'RE SPENDING OUR MONEY IN THE COUNTY AND THE FAVORITISM JUST ISN'T RIGHT. IT REALLY ISN'T. THANK YOU.
>> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: OKAY. ANYONE ELSE TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THE PROPOSAL? WE'LL BRING IT BACK TO
THE BOARD FOR A DECISION. >> COMMISSIONER CELLA: I MOVE FOR APPROVAL.
>> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: SECOND. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: I HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. SO, DONE. MOVING DOWN TO NUMBER 23. FINAL PUBLIC
[23. 5:00 Time Certain or as soon thereafter as can be heard - Final Public Hearing to Adopt an Amendment to the Comprehensive Plan Changing 69 Parcels from AG to RR]
HEARING TO ADOPT AN AMENDMENT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CHANGING 69 PARCELS FROM AG TO RR. GAVINROLLINS DISTRICT. WHO IS PRESENTING? >> AGAIN THIS IS THE ADOPTION.
WE TRANSMITTED IT IN OCTOBER WITH THE AGENCIES INCLUDING THE D. E. O. HAD NO COMMENTS. IT'S FOR 69 PARCELS ALONG CARTER SPENCER ROAD TOTALLING 104.43 ACRES IN COMMISSIONER ROLLINS DISTRICT. THERE'S THE AMOUNT THAT SHOWS YOU THE AREA. ONE OF THE PARCELS THEY REQUESTED TO REMOVE, THAT'S THE WHITE PARCEL, THAT HAS BEEN REMOVED. WHEN YOU TRANSMIT IT AND STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE ADOPTION OF THE RURAL IS RESTS LAND USE AS PART OF THIS
COMP PLAN AMENDMENT. >> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: I'M GOOD WITH THAT AND MOVE FOR APPROVAL. IT JUST BRINGS INTO IT COMPLIANCE WITH THE REST OF THE AREA AND IT'S NOT LIKE IT'S CREATING ADDITIONAL DENSITY. BUT I KNOW WE HAVE TO DO A PUBLIC HEARING FIRST.
>> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: JUST HANG ON TO THAT THOUGHT. PUBLIC HEARING. ANY FOLKS WANT TO SPEAK TO THE
ISSUE AT HAND? GOOD, BETTER, INDIFFERENT. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: SURE. I SHOW UP TO THE MOST MEETINGS SO I GUESS I SHOULD GET THE MOST PUBLIC COMMENTS. JAMES AUTO 2904-2910 BLANDING BOULEVARD, SEX AND BUDS CLAY COUNTY FLORIDA HOTELS. I JUST AGAIN JUST ASK THE BOARD TO THINK HARD ABOUT YOUR DECISIONS. I APPRECIATE MR. HENDRY'S LEADERSHIP TODAY
BUT I DON'T APPRECIATE THE VOTES TODAY. THANK YOU. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: ANYONE ELSE?
WE'LL BRING IT BACK TO THE BOARD FOR A DECISION. >> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: MOVE
FOR APPROVAL. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: OKAY. >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING:
SECOND. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. SO, DONE. ITEM 24.
[24. 5:00 Time Certain or as soon thereafter as can be heard - Final Public Hearing to Amend Land Development Code to Add RV and Boat Storage as a Conditional Use in IA and IB Zoning Districts (PC voted 5-0 to recommend approval)]
AMEND LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE TO ADD RV AND BOAT STORAGE AS A CONDITIONAL USE IN IA AND IB ZONING. THIS WAS VOTED ON BY PLANNING COMMISSION. IT WAS 5-0 IN FAVOR. ED, YOUR EXPLANATION.>> THIS IS THE SECOND READING. WE HAD THE FIRST READING AT THE LAST MEETING OF THE BOARD. AGAIN THE PROPOSAL WAS TO ADD RV AND BOAT STORAGE AS CONDITIONAL USES IN THE INDUSTRIAL ZONING
DISTRICTS. AGAIN THE PLANNING COMMISSION VOTED 5-0 TO APPROVE. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: OKAY. SO,
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WE'LL HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING TONIGHT AND VOTE NEXT TIME IS THAT RIGHT?>> NO IT IS A PUBLIC HEARING BUT YOU VOTE AT THIS MEETING. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: ANYONE TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS PROPOSAL PLEASE STEP FORWARD. SEEING NONE WE'LL CLOSE IT AND
BRING IT BACK TO THE BOARD. QUESTIONS, DISCUSSIONS? >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: IF YOU WOULD JUST REFRESH MY MEMORY IN TERMS OF WAS THIS DONE BECAUSE THE STAFF LOOKED AT IT OR DID WE
HAVE REQUESTS ABOUT THIS? >> WE'VE HAD A NUMBER OF REQUESTS FROM PEOPLE THAT HAVE INDUSTRIAL LAND THAT WOULD LIKE TO TEMPORARILY USE IT AS RV AND BOAT STORAGE. SO, BASED ON
THOSE REQUESTS WE DECIDED TO PROPOSE THIS AMENDMENT. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: I THINK IT IS A GOOD MOVE. THEY CAN JEN REVENUE ON THE LAND UNTIL SOME BUSINESS STEPS UP AND DECIDES TO
BUILD A STEEL MILL. >> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: MOVE FOR APPROVAL.
>> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: AND A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. OPPOSED? SO, DONE. THANK YOU.
[25. 5:00 Time Certain or as soon thereafter as can be heard - Final Public Hearing to Consider Rezoning Application Z-19-18: BA-2 to BB-3 (P.C. voted 5-0 to approve)]
ITEM 25. REZONING BA2 TO B B-3. PLANNING >> COMMISSIONER: VOTED 5-0 TO
APPROVE. >> FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION THIS IS APPLICATION Z1918. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING CHANGING FROM B2 TO B B-3. THE PARCEL APPROXIMATELY .569 ACRES. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CHANGE IN ZONING TO EXPAND THEIR EXISTING BUSINESS. SURROUNDING ZONINGS TO THE NORTH BB, TO THE EAST AR, TO THE SOUTH BB AND TO THE WEST US HIGHWAY 17. THIS IS AN AERIAL VIEW OF THE SITE. AND SOME PHOTOS. THE APPLICANT CURRENTLY OWNS G & M TOWING AND TIRE AND LUBE. THE APPLICANT HAS BEEN USING THE PROPERTY IN QUESTION TO STORE TOWED VEHICLES, VEHICLES WAITING SERVICE AND HELD FOR INSURANCE PURPOSES. THE APPLICANT WAS CITED WITH CODE ENFORCEMENT VIOLATIONS. IF APPROVED THOUGH APPLICANT WILL BECOME COMPLIANT AND THE CASE CAN BE CLOSED. STAFF HAS REVIEWED THE APPLICATION TO DETERMINE THE REQUEST IS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL. PLANNING
COMMISSION RECOMMENDED APPROVAL. >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: SOUNDS LIKE PROBLEM SOLVED.
>> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: WE'LL OPEN THE MEETING TO PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS ISSUE. ANYONE WANTING TO SPEAK PRO OR CON, PLEASE STEP FORWARD FINANCIAL SEEING NONE, WE'LL CLOSE IT AND BRING IT BACK
TO THE BOARD. YOU SAID THE PROBLEM WAS SOLVED? >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING:
PROBLEM SOLVED. I MOVE FOR APPROVAL. >> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: SECOND.
>> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: ALL IN FAVOR. OPPOSED. SO, DONE. ITEM 26. FINAL PUBLIC HEARING TO
[26. 5:00 Time Certain or as soon thereafter as can be heard - Final Public Hearing to Consider Rezoning Application Z-19-20: AG to AR for parcel at 5581 Carter Spencer Road (P.C. voted 6-0 to approve)]
CONSIDER AG TO AR PARCEL. >> THIS IS A COMPANION TO THE LAND USE CHANGE YOU JUST APPROVED. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CHANGE IN ZONING FROM AG TO AR. THE PARCEL IS 12.91 ACRES AND LOCATED INTO THE AG. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING CHANGE AND WILL BE MORE CONSISTENT WITH PROPOSED LAND USE. THE AG DESIGNATION REQUIRES 20 ACRES. THE PARCEL IS 12.91.
THIS IS THE SURROUNDING ZONINGS ARE ALL AG ON THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY. THIS IS AN AERIAL SITE AND I BELIEVE IT'S UNDEVELOPED. STAFF HAS REVIEWED THE APPLICATION AND DETERMINED THE REQUEST IS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMP PLAN AND NOW THE APPROVED LAND USE. WITH THAT WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL AND THE COMMISSION VOTED UNANIMOUS TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL.
>> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: WE'LL OPEN IT UP FOR PUBLIC HEARING. ANYONE WANTING TO SPEAK ON THIS ISSUE?
STEP UP MR. AUTO. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: JAMES AUTO 2904-29 10E BLANDING BOULEVARD SEX AND BUDS CLAY COUNTY FLORIDA HOTELS. THIS OVER BY THE HAM JAM USED TO TAKE PLACE. SO, AGAIN I ASK YOU TO LOOK AT MR. LONDON'S PRESENTATION ABOUT THIS IS LIKE AGRICULTURAL COUNTY. THAT'S WHAT YOU GOT. THAT'S WHAT WE PAID MR. LONDON TO LOOK AT. I WOULD THINK THAT I'D LIKE TO HAVE SOME MORE CLARIFICATION ON WHY IT'S NOT CONFORMING. IT WAS NEVER CONFORMING TO BEGIN WITH.
AND NOW YOU WANT TO CHANGE IT SO THAT IT IS CONFORMING. IS IT JUST BECAUSE THEY'RE GRANDFATHERED IN? I KNOW SOME OF THOSE TRAILERS HAVE BEEN THERE FOR A LONG TIME. I HAVE AN ISSUE WITH BEHIND ME WHERE THERE IS KIND OF NOT EVEN PLATTED IN THE COUNTY THERE'S A ROAD THERE THAT
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ISN'T REALLY ON THE MAP OF THE COUNTY SO THAT WOULD BRING ME TO ASK WHY THE COUNTY DOESN'T HAVE THEIR MAPS UP TO SPEED. I'VE BEEN THERE SINCE O2 ON WHY IS THERE A STREET SIGN WHERE IT'S NOT SHOWN ON THE COUNTY RECORDS. OR IT DIDN'T LOOK LIKE INTERON THE MAP IN -- LIKE IT WAS ON THE MAP. WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE KEEPING THIS AGRICULTURAL TYPE, YOU KNOW, TO BRING PEOPLE I GUESS, I MEAN, DEFINITELY THE SPRING FED SWIMMING POOL, THAT'S OUR NUMBER ONE ASSET WITH BLACK CREEK. I MEAN, THOSE ARE PRECIOUS TO THIS COUNTY. AND TO TIE IN THAT AGRICULTURAL PROPERTY WITH THAT. FROM MY UNDERSTANDING YOU CAN'T HAVE ANYMORE COMMERCIAL. YOU WON'T ZONE ANYMORE COMMERCIAL IN THIS AREA AND I SEE YOU ARE TAKING AWAY COMMERCIAL TODAY. SO, ARE YOU GOING TO PLACE THAT SOMEWHERE ELSE LIKE PROTECTED WETLANDS? YOU KNOW HOW YOU MOVE THINGS AROUND AND STUFF. IF YOU COULD ANSWER THAT KIND OF QUESTION FOR US I WOULDAPPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: OKAY. ANYONE ELSE? CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING
BRING IT BACK TO THE BOARD. DISCUSSIONS? >> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: MOVE
FOR APPROVAL. >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: SECOND.
>> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? ALL FROM FAVOR SAY AYE. OPPOSED. THANK YOU. [AYE]
[27. 5:00 Time Certain or as soon thereafter as can be heard - Final Public Hearing to Consider Rezoning Application PUD-19-11 AR to PUD at Knight Boxx and Old Jennings (P.C. voted 3-3 so application was not approved)]
THIS IS THE FINAL HEARING TO CONSIDER REZONING APPLICATION PUD 19-11A R TO PUD AT KNIGHT BOX AND OLD JENNINGS. THE PLANNING COMMISSION VOTED 3-3, A TIE, ON THIS ISSUE AT THEIR LAST MEETING. SO, WE'RE HERE TO ADDRESS THIS. I GUESS WE'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR ALL THOSETHAT WISH TO SPEAK ON THIS. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY.
TRAVIS HART 8051 TARA LANE. MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION, THIS IS A 27.6-ACRE PARCEL OF LAND ON THE SOUTHWEST OF KNIGHT BOX AND OLD JENNINGS. WE'VE REQUESTING AN APPLICATION FOR A PUD TO ALLOW FOR UP TO 82 SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES WITH A MINIMAL LOT SIZE OF 4,800 SQUARE FEET AND MINIMAL LIVING AREA OF 1,500 SQUARE FOOT PLUS A TWO CAR GARAGE. THE DEVELOPMENT WILL CONTAIN RECREATION AREA, PLAYGROUND, OPEN SPACE AND A WALKING AREA AROUND THE POND.
THIS IS AN URBAN INFILL SITE SURROUNDED BY MULTIPLE SUBDIVISIONS AND MULTI-FAMILY APARTMENTS, A CHURCH. IF YOU WILL LOOK TO THE WEST OF THAT SITE PLAN THERE IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND -- TO THE WEST IS A LARGE POND THERE AND WETLANDS THAT BUFFER AGAINST THE SINGLE FAMILY DEVELOPMENT. TO THE SOUTH THERE'S A LARGE WETLAND BETWEEN US AND THE CHURCH. WE HAVE TWO ENTRANCE WAYS. ONE COMING OUT ON OLD JENNINGS. THAT OLD JENNINGS YOU COME OUT AND IF YOU WANT TO TAKE A SOUTH YOU CAN TURN RIGHT OR EAST ON OLD JENNINGS AND CATCH THE RED LIGHT FOR CONTROLLED INTERSECTION AND GO SOUTH. I MEAN, GO NORTH ON KNIGHT BOX. OR YOU CAN COME OUT.
VERY SELDOM DO YOU GET AN OPPORTUNITY TO DEVELOP A SUBDIVISION WHERE THERE'S TWO ENTRANCE WAYS. MAKES FOR A NICE FLOW. PEOPLE CAN GO OUT AND CATCH A RED LIGHT OR GO SOUTH ON KNIGHT BOX WHICH IS A FOUR LANE HIGHWAY. THIS IS DESIGNED TO BE A ENTRY-LEVEL HOUSING WHICH I NOTICE IT WAS IRONIC THAT THE EDC MADE A REPORT THAT WE NEED SOME ENTRY-LEVEL HOUSING IN CLAY COUNTY RIGHT NOW AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THIS IS. WE HAVE OF COURSE PROVIDED THE STORAGE THAT IS REQUIRED. WE FEEL THAT THIS SUBDIVISION WILL ENHANCE THE COMMUNITY. IT IS URBAN INFILL. AND IT IS A TRANSITION BETWEEN MULTI-FAMILY APARTMENTS AND A LOT OF HOUSING ACROSS THE
STREET. ANY QUESTIONS BE GLAD TO ANSWER THEM. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: WHAT'S
THE ROAD WIDTH THERE? >> SPEAKER: WE'RE DOING 24-FOOT SO WE COULD HAVE THREE LANES. IF SOMEBODY PARKED ACROSS THE STREET. AND WE ARE DOING TWO-CAR GARAGES. SO, THERE WILL BE TWO SPACES IN FRONT OF EACH GARAGE AVAILABLE FOR PARKING. 24-FOOT OF PAVED SURFACE WHICH WOULD ALLOW FOR IF, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY PARKED ON ONE SIDE AND THE OTHER SIDE YOU WOULD STILL HAVE A CLEAR LANE IN THE MIDDLE. THE NORMAL SIZE ROAD IS 20 FEET. SO, YOU ADD THAT EXTRA FOUR FEET AND A NORMAL -- YOU ALL MAY HAVE CHANGED YOUR PLAN BUT WE CERTAINLY ARE DOING 24-FOOT. I
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THINK IT IS THE RIGHT THING DO TO PROVIDE PARKING AND IT DOESN'T BLOCK THE EMERGENCYSERVICES WILL HAVE A WAY TO GO. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: I WAS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THE LOT
SIZES HERE. YOU GOT 1,500 TO 4,800. >> SPEAKER: SA 1,500 IS THE
SIDES OF THE HOUSE AND THE 4,800 IS THE SIZE OF THE LOT. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: SO IT IS
A 40-FOOT LOT SIZE? >> SPEAKER: YES, SIR. THERE'S ABOUT TEN 50-FOOT LOTS IN THERE.
JUST WORKS OUT. BUT THE MINIMUM SIZE IS 4,800 SQUARE FEET. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: GO AHEAD.
>> COMMISSIONER CELLA: COULD YOU EXPLAIN -- SORRY. IN FULL DISCLOSURE I SAT AND TALKED WITH MR. HART AND HIS BUILDER AND CERTAINLY MR. HART HAS A GREAT REPUTATION FOR HIS DEVELOPMENTS AND THE CONSCIENTIOUS WAYS THAT HE GOES ABOUT IN TERMS OF PUTTING HIS DEVELOPMENTS TOGETHER. THIS ONE HAPPENS TO HAVE GREEN SPACE AND SOME DIFFERENT THINGS THAT GIVES IT CERTAINLY SOME ADVANTAGE OVER THE ORDINARY. IN THAT AREA CERTAINLY NEEDS REDEVELOPMENT. I THINK THERE'S OLD HOMES ON THAT RIGHT. AND I TOLD YOU THIS WHEN WE MET THAT I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH 40-FOOT LOTS. I VOTED AGAINST THE DEVELOPMENT AROUND THE CORNER THAT HAS -- I THINK IT WAS EVEN 45. GIVE ME AN IDEA AS TO WHAT THE THOUGHT PROCESS IS WITH THE 40-FOOT LOT.
>> SPEAKER: WE HAVE TO BE IN THE 200,000 TO $230,000 RANGE IN A HOUSE. WITH THE COST OF LAND AND THE COST OF DEVELOPMENT AND THIS LOT SIZE GIVES US THAT 1,500 SQUARE FOOT ENTRY-LEVEL HOME THAT WILL PUT US IN THE $200,000 AND ABOVE RANGE. BUT TO OFFSET SOME OF THAT THERE'S A FEAR ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION. ONE OF THE REASONS IT WAS A 3-3 VOTE IT WAS WORRIED ABOUT PARKING. SO, WE'VE GUARANTEED WE'RE DOING ALL TWO-CAR GARAGES. AND SO YOU WILL HAVE TWO CARS IN THE GARAGES, TWO ON THE PARKING APRON, AND, OF COURSE, THE ROADS ARE 24-FOOT WIDE SO YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO PARK ON THE STREET. HOPEFULLY NOT MORE THAN ONE SIDE. SO IT'S JUST A MARKET THAT WE HAVE TO BE IN. THAT MARKET -- AS YOU KNOW THERE'S MOBILE HOMES. THERE'S ACTUALLY TO THE WEST OF US IS ACTUALLY A ROLL OFF DUMPSTER PROBABLY GRANDFATHERED IN. PROBABLY BEEN THERE FOR YEARS AND YEARS. BUT THERE'S AN ACTUAL DUMPSTER COMPANY RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO THE WEST DOWN OLD JENNINGS. SO WE CERTAINLY HAVE TO BE IN THAT PRICE RANGE OF 200. AND, UNFORTUNATELY, THAT'S AN ENTRY-LEVEL HOME TODAY. YOU KNOW, AT 236,000 RIGHT NOW I THINK IS THE AVERAGE HOME. IT VARIES FROM MONTH TO MONTH BUT RIGHT NOW IT'S ABOUT THAT. ABOUT 236 NOW DOL-- $236,000. WE'RE
TRYING TO HIT THE MARKET IN THAT AREA. >> COMMISSIONER CELLA: WITH A 40-FOOT FRONT I COULD SUPPORT THAT. IT WOULD BE SMALLER HOMES VERY MUCH LIKE PLANTATION AND FAIRWOOD VILLAGE. GET AN HOA TO TAKE CARE OF THE PROPERTY THEN YOU COULD BASIC OFFER UPGRADES.
I HAVE REALTORS ASKING WHY WE DON'T HAVE A 55 PLUS COMMUNITY WHERE THEY CAN TAKE THE PEOPLE IN CLAY COUNTY THAT ARE NOW SELLING THEIR HOMES AND GOES ST. JOHNS OR ST. AUGUSTINE BECAUSE THEY HAVE 55-PLUS COMMUNITIES THERE. I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE 40-FOOT HOMES.
I PROPERTY MANAGED A COUPLE OF HOMES IN THE MAYFIELD SUBDIVISION WHICH IS WHAT YOU ARE TALKING. OF COURSE, THEY HAVE A 20-FOOT ROADWAY AND THEY HAVE A PROBLEM BECAUSE THEY'VE GOT JUST ENOUGH ROOM IN FRONT OF THEIR HOMES TO ACTUALLY HAVE CARS PARK IN FRONT OF THE GARAGE. BUT IF THE GARAGE IS FILLED AS MANY OF OUR GARAGES ARE AND WE DON'T USE THE GARAGE BECAUSE WE HAVE TOO MUCH STUFF THOSE CARS ARE FORCED OUT ON TO THE STREET AND THE HOA IS HAVING QUITE A BIT OF PROBLEMS. THAT'S WHERE MY THOUGHT PROCESS IS ON 40-FOOT LOTS. JUST DOESN'T SEEM THAT WE WANT TO BUILD NEIGHBORHOODS IN OUR COMMUNITY THAT ARE THAT SMALL. THAT'S
ALL. >> SPEAKER: I UNDERSTAND. ONE OF THE THINGS WE CAN DO ON THOSE SIDES OF THE STREET THAT THERE IS A -- ONE OF THE CONCERNS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION WAS THAT WE -- THE CARS MIGHT HANG OVER THE SQUAWK -- SIDEWALKS. SO, IN THE AREA THERE IS A SIDEWALK WE CAN INCREASE THAT DEPTH BY A COUPLE OF FEET. WHEN I LEFT THE PLANNING COMMISSION I WENT OUT AND MEASURED THE LARGEST VEHICLE IN THE PARKING LOT JUST BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THEY WERE WORRIED
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ABOUT IT BEING 20-FOOT. IF YOU REMEMBER I THINK MR. HENDRY YOU WERE HERE AND YOU MAY HAVE LISTENED BUT THEY WERE WORRIED ABOUT THAT CAR HANGING OVER THE SIDEWALK. SO, I THINK IF YOU GIVE IT A COUPLE MORE FEET ON THE SIDES THAT HAVE SIDEWALKS WE'D BE GLAD TO DO THAT. AND I MEASURED THREE QUARTER TON PICKUP THAT WAS OUT THERE AND IT WAS 19.6. I MEASURED MY OWN CAR WHICH IS A FULL-SIZE TAHOE AND IT WAS 17.6. I DIDN'T KNOW HOW LONG IT WAS. I HAD NO IDEA HOW LONG MY CAR IS UNTIL I MEASURED IT. JUST OUT OF CURIOSITY I TOOK TOO IMTO MEASURE STUFF IN THE PARKING LOT TO SEE DOES THIS HANG OVER. SO WE COULD DO THAT. SINCE IT IS A PUD WE COULD PUT IT IN THE CONDITIONS. ANYWHERE THERE'S A SIDEWALK WE'LL GO TO TWO FOOT DEEPER ON THE APRON YOU KNOW. I'D BE GLAD TO DO THAT. WE LOOKED AT THAT, TRIED TO CONSIDER THAT IN OUR, YOU KNOW,PRESENTATION HERE AND BE ABLE TO DO THAT. >> COMMISSIONER CELLA: AND YOUR ATTENTION TO DETAIL WHAT'S I TALKED ABOUT IN TERMS OF REPUTATION THAT YOU HAVE. I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH WHAT YOU ARE PROPOSING. I JUST HAVE AN OVERALL AND I TALKED TO THE FOLKS IN RIVERTOWN WHEN THEY PROPOSED THEY WERE GOING TO COME OVER, MADAM E. HOMES, AND THEY HAD 40-FOOT LOTS. I'M NOT SURE WHETHER WE'RE PUSHING THE MARKET TO GO THERE OR WHAT'S THAT THE
MARKET IS ASKING FOR. >> SPEAKER: I BUILT SUBDIVISIONS IN DUVAL AND IN CLAY AND ST. JOHNS COUNTY. AND I COULD TAKE TO YOU SOME VERY NICE SUBDIVISIONS BUILT BY THE BUILDER THAT'S BUILDING IN HERE. AND THEY'RE ALL 40-FOOT LOTS. AND THEY'RE VERY NICE. I LOVE AN OPPORTUNITY AT ANOTHER TIME WHENEVER YOU HAVE TIME TO TAKE YOU TO SOME OF THOSE SUBDIVISIONS THAT WE'VE DONE THAT WE HAVE A HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION. WE POLICE THE SUBDIVISION AND WE MAKE SURE THEY DON'T, YOU KNOW, PARK AND IT TURNS OUT TO BE A VERY NICE SUBDIVISION. A LOT OF THESE WILL TURN OUT TO BE TWO-STORY HOMES TOO WHICH WILL GIVE THEM EVEN MORE ROOM ON THE LOT BECAUSE YOU ARE GOING UP TWO STORIES. NOW USED TO BE THAT WE ONLY HAD ABOUT 10 PERCENT OF OUR HOMES GOING TWO STORY. NOW IT'S GETTING AROUND 40 TO 50% IN THESE TYPE OF SUBDIVISIONS. SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT WITH WILL BE A NICE ADDITION. PLUS THERE'S A LOT OF MULTI-FAMILY AROUND US. AND HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET SOME OF THOSE FOLKS TO MOVE INTO A
HOUSE. >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: I HAVE A QUESTION.
SO YOU MAY NOT KNOW THE ANSWER TO THIS BUT CAN YOU PUT IN YOUR COVENANTS AND RESTRICTIONS FOR
THE HOA THAT THERE CAN BE NO ON STREET PARKING? >> SPEAKER: YOU CAN BUT IT'S -- LISTEN, WE COULD. IT'S JUST ALMOST UNENFORCEABLE. I MEAN, IT BECOMES SOMETHING YOU PUT IN THERE AND THEN IT BECOMES UNENFORCEABLE. BECAUSE YOU'D HAVE TO CONSTANTLY CALL THE PUBLIC STREETS SO YOU WOULD HAVE TO CONSTANTLY CALL THE POLICE TO TRY TO ENFORCE SOMETHING YOU
HAVE PUT IN YOUR COVENANTS AND RESTRICTIONS. >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: I
DON'T THINK THEY CAN ENFORCE IT EITHER. >> SPEAKER: THEY CAN'T. I DON'T WANT TO MISLEAD YOU. YOU CERTAINLY COULD PUT IT IN THERE BUT IT IS AN UNENFORCEABLE EVENT. AND WE TRIED TO BALANCE THAT OUT BY GOING TO 24-FOOT IN PAVEMENT.
>> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: OKAY. WELL I'M GOING TO SUPPORT IT JUST BECAUSE WE NEED SOME
WORKFORCE HOUSING. BUT I HEAR YOUR CONCERN. I DO. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: I'VE GOT THE SAME ISSUE. I MEAN, WE DID A STUDY AND YOU NEED TO SPEND $250,000 IN OUR CURRENT TAX STRUCTURE RIGHT NOW IN CLAY COUNTY TO BE ABLE TO COVER THE COST OF POLICE, FIRE AND SCHOOLS. THE MORE OF THESE WE PUT IN THAT ARE UNDER THAT, YOU KNOW, THE WORSE WE GET BEHIND THE CURVE. AND I KNOW THAT LOT SIZE IS NOT -- TO COMMISSIONER CELLA'S COMMENTS. LOT SIZE IS NOT THE ONLY CRITERIA THAT HAS TO BEAR ON THE PRICE OF A HOME. BUT IT'S CERTAINLY A BIG DETERMINANT IN THESE TYPES OF HOMES. SO I WOULD LOVE TO SEE IT GO TO 50 OR 60 FEET PER LOT. YOU
PROBABLY CAN'T SELL THAT. I HEAR THAT. AND NO REFLECTION ON YOU. >> SPEAKER: I UNDERSTAND.
>> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: I JUST CAN'T SUPPORT A 40-FOOT LOT. THAT'S A SMALL HOUSE. THAT'S
ALL. >> SPEAKER: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU.
>> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: JUST A STATEMENT. I UNDERSTAND THE 40-FOOT LOT SIZE. MY LOT IS BIGGER BUT MY HOUSE SIZE IS SMALLER. SO, I DO THINK WE NEED PLACES FOR PEOPLE TO LIVE AND THE COST OF MY HOUSE WAS LESS THAN $250,000. SO WE NEED PLACES FOR PEOPLE LIKE ME TO
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LIVE. SO, I SUPPORT THIS. AND I THINK THE AREA IS IMPORTANT. IT REVITALIZES THE AREA AND THAT'S ANOTHER ADVANTAGE TO THIS PROJECT THAT I LIKE SPECIFICALLY. IF WE WERE TAKING, YOU KNOW, 40 ACRES IN THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE AND DOING 40-FOOT LOTS THAT WOULD BE ONE THING.BUT THIS IS URBAN CORE. SO, I'M GOING TO SUPPORT IT. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: DID WE DO A PUBLIC HEARING YET? WE'LL OPEN THIS TO PUBLIC HEARING FOR THOSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK COME
FORWARD. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: I'M RICHARD CLEMSMAN. 1985 TAE MUCK YOUA TRAIL MIDDLEBURG. WE MEET AGAIN. THIS IS THE KIND OF PROJECT THAT I'VE BEEN RAILING AGAINST. THIS IS WHAT I REFER TO AS OUR POCKET GHETTOS AROUND. AND THE QUESTIONS THAT I WOULD BE ASKING OF THE DEVELOPER IS DO YOU HAVE 82 PEOPLE LINED UP CLAMORING AT YOUR DOOR OR IS THIS MORE SPECULATION? IF CONVENTIONAL WISDOM RIGHT NOW IS $200,000 IS AN ENTRY-LEVEL HOME, WE'RE IN BIG TROUBLE. CONVENTIONAL WISDOM HAS LEFT THE BUILDING. THAT'S JUST RIDICULOUS. I DON'T KNOW ANYBODY WORKING ANY OF THE ENTRY-LEVEL JOBS THAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE THAT CAN AFFORD A HOME LIKE THAT. OR AT THAT PRICE. YOU KNOW, MAYBE A REALISTIC PRICE. THE OTHER THING IS IS THIS GOING TO BE MORE CLEAR CUTTING? IS THIS DEVELOPER COMING IN, RAZING EVERYTHING TO THE GROUND, TAKING AWAY THE NATURAL BEAUTY? I SUSPECT IT IS. IT'S HIDEOUS HOUSING AND SOMEBODY'S GOT TO SEND A MESSAGE. THIS NONSENSE HAS GOT TO STOP. HOW CLOSE TOGETHER ARE THESE HOMES? WHEN YOU GO TO THAT LAFFERINGLY NAMED BAN GORA BAY AND DRIVE THROUGH, THERE'S NO ANGLE. AND TWO THERE'S NO BAY. BUT ALL THE HOUSES ARE SQUASHED TOGETHER.
YOU KNOW, AGAIN, IT LOOKS LIKE THE TENEMENTS. IT LOOKS LIKE THE PROJECTS. THERE'S NO PRIDE BEING TAKEN. 40-FOOT LOTS IS RIDICULOUS. WE HAVE SOME AGREEMENT ON THAT. AND WHEN YOU GET TO THE SMALLER SIDE ROADS GOING IN AND OUT OF THESE HOMES, YOU SHOULD PUT IN NO SURFACE STREET PARKING -- NO STREET PARKING. BECAUSE ALTHOUGH IT'S RARE BUT IT WILL HAPPEN YOU WILL NEED AMBULANCES AND FIRE TRUCKS GOING UP THERE. JUST TO SAY WELL IT'S UNENFORCEABLE, THAT SHOWS, YOU KNOW, IT'S SOMETHING I AM FAMILIAR WITH WHICH IS DIMINISHED EXPECTATIONS. BUT IT DOESN'T MEAN YOU STOP AND GIVE UP YOUR VALUES. THESE ARE POTENTIAL PROBLEMS DOWN THE ROAD AND THEY SHOULD BE ADDRESSED. YOU SHOULD BE LOOKING FORWARD. YOU SHOULD BE LOOKING TO WHAT'S COMING UP. OKAY. ANYWAY THOSE ARE THE QUESTIONS I WOULD BE ASKING. AND FINALLY THE LAST QUESTION IS WHAT DO THEY EXPECT THE AFFECT ON THE TRAFFIC -- I KNOW WHAT THE TRAFFIC PROBLEM IS GOING TO BE BECAUSE I LIVE IN THAT AREA. YOU HAVE ONE LITTLE TRAFFIC LIGHT THERE ON OLD JENNINGS AND KNIGHT BOX AND IT'S ALREADY A NIGHTMARE. I'M NOT SAYING DON'T DEVELOP IT AT ALL.
BUT SHOW SOME HUMANITY. KEEP THE TREES. BUILD AROUND THE ENVIRONMENT. DON'T DESTROY THE
ENVIRONMENT. THANK YOU. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: JAMES AUTO, 2904-2910 BLANDING BOULEVARD SEX AND BUDS CLAY COUNTY FLORIDA HOTELS. I FULLY AGREE WITH MR. CLEMSMAN'S STATEMENTS AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN. AND I THINK THE MARKET'S GOING TO FALL AFTER TAX RETURN TIME. AND I WANT TO KNOW WHAT YOU ALL ARE GOING TO DO WHEN THIS MARKET'S NOT LIKE THIS ANYMORE. WHEN IT'S MORE LIKE 08, 07, MAYBE EVEN WORSE. I MEAN, WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO? THESE ROADS THAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT, COLLEGE AND KNIGHT BOX, THEY'RE ALREAD ON THE NEEDY LIST AND YOU DON'T HAVE THE MONEY TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT. SO, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU ARE PASSING ANY OF THIS. AND THIS ISN'T THE ROAD BY PUBLIX. IT IS A LITTLE BIT SOUTH OF THERE BUT THESE ARE BOTH ROADS. AND I WAS JUST TELLING MR. CLEMSMAN ABOUT THE AMBULANCES. I'M OUT IN NOCATEE AND THEY GOT TWO STORIES RIGHT NEXT TO EACH OTHER, ONE STORIES, THERE'S NO PARKING. THEY'RE PARKING ON THE SIDEWALKS. YOU CAN'T GET AN AMBULANCE DOWN THE STREET. YOU CAN'T GET THE FIRE DEPARTMENT
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DOWN THE STREET. THESE KIDS PULL OUT IN FRONT OF THESE CARS, YOU KNOW, AMAZN SOMEBODY HIT A KID IN ONE OF THESE SUBDIVISIONS. AND THIS IS WHAT YOU ARE BUILDING RIGHT NOW IS A HAZARD.I WANT TO KNOW FROM THAT THEY SHOULD BE DOING THEIR OWN PARKS. IN THEY'RE GOING TO BUILD THEIR LITTLE DEVELOPMENTS THEY NEED THEIR OWN RV AND THEIR OWN BOAT STORAGE. THAT'S WHAT THEY NEED TO BE DOING. AND THEY NEED TO BE PAYING FOR THEIR OWN ROADS LIKE MRS. HUTCHINGS DOES. YOU REDO YOUR ROADS. THEY'RE YOUR ROADS YOU WANT THEM PRIVATE THEN YOU WANT TO PAY FOR THEM THAT'S FINE. BUT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS WAY OUT OF CONTROL. AND I CAN'T EVEN BELIEVE THAT WE DON'T HAVE 35 PEOPLE HERE AGAIN OR MORE LIKE WE DID AT THE LAST MEETING WITH THE PUBLIX COMMUNITY THAT HAVE TO DRIVE THROUGH THERE. QUITE HONESTLY YOUR ELDERLY ARE MOVING INTO THE ROADWAY INN AND THE OTHER HOTEL NEXT TO IT BY 295. AND I WANT TO DEFINITELY SAY, I MEAN, WHERE ARE THESE $200,000 HOMES GOING TO BE PAID FROM? BECAUSE THESE FOLKS THAT ARE MOVING HERE, IF THE ECONOMY FALLS THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE MAKING THESE PAYMENTS. I MEAN, YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE ANOTHER -- WHAT WAS THAT MALL THAT FELL THEN THEY BUILD THE ST. JOHNS TOWN CENTER. THEN WHEN THAT GETS RUN DOWN THEY'LL MOVE SOMEWHERE ELSE. AND THAT TOWN CENTER WILL BE LIKE THAT MALL THAT'S COLLAPSED OVER THERE. AND JUST KEEP MOVING AND REBUILDING AND DOING THAT. IS THAT THE KIND OF BUILDING THAT YOU WANT IN CLAY COUNTY? I MEAN, THIS PLANNING IS JUST COMPLETELY OFF THE CHART HERE. I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW YOU CAN KEEP APPROVING THIS. I MEAN, I WANT TO PULL MY HAIR OUT, WHAT I GOT LEFT. I MEAN, I'M SITTING HERE LISTENING TO M MR. CLEMSMAN --
>> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: YOU ARE DONE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: PLEASE STOP
BUILDING ALL THIS STUFF UNTIL YOU GOT THE MONEY. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: THIS WOULD
BE AN MSBU WOULD IT NOT? >> ONCE IT CAME BACK TO THE BOARD FOR ACCEPTANCE OR
MAINTENANCE, YES. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE FROM THE PUBLIC?
WE'LL BRING IT BACK TO THE BOARD FOR DISCUSSION. >> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: I WILL
MOVE FOR APPROVAL. >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: SEC
SECOND. >> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS, DID YOU WANT TO INCLUDE THE AMENDMENT OFFERED BY MR. HART TO HAVE ADDITIONAL TWO FOOT SEPARATION FOR THE SIDEWALK FOR THE
VEHICLES? >> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: YES. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: A MOTION AND SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. OPPOSED. I'LL CAST THE DECIDING VOTE IS A YEA. SO IT PASSES 3-2. WE'VE HAD OUR TIME CERTAIN. LET'S GO BACK TO NUMBER 10. THE BONDING DISCUSSION. THIS IS GOING TO GET PROBABLY LENGTHY. WE COVERED ITEM C UNDER BONDING SO LET'S GO BACK TO A, PROJECT IDENTIFICATION. AND WHO HAVE WE GOT HERE THAT IS GOING TO SPEAK TO THAT?
>> SPEAKER: SUSAN FRAZIER IS IN THE AUDIENCE AND SHE IS GOING TO START US OFF WITH THE
ALTERNATIVES. THERE'S AN ALTERNATIVE 1 AND 2. >> SPEAKER: GOOD EVENING. THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO CONTRIBUTE TO KIND OF YOUR CONSIDERATIONS FOR PROJECTS THAT YOU MIGHT BOND. TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS. MANY OF YOU WERE HERE AT THE INFRASTRUCTURE COMMITTEE AND SO I AM GOING TO DO AN ABBREVIATED VERSION OF THAT TO GET US TO A PROJECT LIST. SINCE THE INFRASTRUCTURE COMMITTEE MEETING THE STAFF HAS MET MULTIPLE TIMES. WE'VE REALLY LOOKED AT POKING AND PRODDING AND FINDING THE BEST ALTERNATIVES FOR YOU TO CONSIDER. SO WE COME TO THE END OF KIND OF MY DISCUSSION I THINK DALE IS GOING TO BE ABLE TO WALK YOU THROUGH SOME OF THE COSTS THAT YOU ARE GOING TO CONSIDER AND WE'RE BOTH HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS. ALL THE STAFF IS HERE TO ANSWER SOME QUESTIONS. WE'LL PAUSE JUST A SECOND BECAUSE THE
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MAPS HELP A LOT. LET ME QUICKLY GO THROUGH THIS. MOST OF YOU WERE HANDED OUT PACKETS WITH MAPS IN IT AT THE INFRASTRUCTURE COMMITTEE. SO, I JUST WANT TO DO A QUICK OVERVIEW TO SEE WHERE WE ARE. AT THE COMMITTEE WE TALKED ABOUT WHY YOU ARE DOING ROAD IMPROVEMENTS IN THE FIRST PLACE. SO THE COUNTY USES THE TRANSPORTATION PLANNING ORGANIZATION, THE TPO, AND THE LONG-RANGE PLANNING EFFORTS OF THE TPO TO DECIDE WHAT ROADS IT NEEDS FOR THE FUTURE. SO THE CONSIDERATION YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE THIS EVENING ABOUT BONDING PROJECTS AND ROAD IMPROVEMENTS IS ADDRESSING THE POPULATION THAT'S ANTICIPATED TO COME TO THE COUNTY BETWEEN NOW AND 20 40. SO THE LONG RANGE TRANSPORTATION PLAN IDENTIFIED DEFICIENCIES ON THE ROAD NETWORK WHEN YOU ADD THE EXISTING DEVELOPMENT TO THE 2040 DEVELOPMENT TO THE EXISTING DEVELOPMENT AND TWO OF THOSE PROJECTS WERE TO WIDEN COUNTY ROAD 209 AND COUNTY ROAD 739B.AND THE IMPACT FEE STUDY THAT WAS PREPARED BY TINDALE OLIVER CONCLUDED THE SAME THING.
THERE'S GOING TO BE GROWTH IN LAKE ASBURY WHICH IS WHERE YOU ARE DIRECTING YOUR ROAD IMPROVEMENT FOCUS BETWEEN NOW AND 2040 AND THEY WOULD REQUIRE THESE ROAD IMPROVEMENTS. AND SO THE DEFICIENTSIES WERE CAUSED BY THE PROJECTED 20,000 PLUS NEW HOUSEHOLDS THAT ARE GOING TO OCCUR IN THE LAKE ASBURY AREA. THAT PROJECTION ALSO INCLUDES PROJECTED 16,000 EMPLOYEES IN THE LAKE ASBURY AREA AS THE BELTWAY IS COMPLETED AND DEVELOPMENT OCCURS IN THE NEXT 20 YEARS. SO THE ANALYSIS OF THE TPO AND TINDALE OLIVER THAT YOU HIRED TO DO THE IMPACT FEE STUDY TOOK THAT DEVELOPMENT AND LOADED IT ON TO THE EXISTIN ROADS IN LAKE ASBURY. THE RESULT WAS THAT YOU WERE IDENTIFIED THAT YOU NEEDED A FOUR-LANE COUNTY ROAD 209 AND SAND RIDGE.
SO, NEITHER OF THE DEVELOPMENTS -- NEITHER OF THE ANALYSIS DONE BY THE TPO OR THE OLIVER STUDY LOOKED AT THE APF ROADS. AND THOSE ARE PART OF THAT LAKE ASBURY MASTER PLAN.
SO THE MASTER PLAN WHEN IT WAS ADOPTED IN 2006 SAID WE'RE GOING ENTITLE ALL THESE LANDS, THESE RURAL LANDS ARE IN LAKE AS BURR YES, WE'RE GOING TO SET DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS. AND WHEN PEOPLE ARRIVE WE'RE GOING CONSIDER DOING A ROAD NETWORK THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN JUST WIDENING ROAD THAT WE HAVE TODAY. SO THE MODEL -- OH LOOK. WE HAVE MAPS. ALL RIGHT. I LOVE MY MAPS. HERE WE GO. OKAY. THIS HELPS. SO, IF YOU REMEMBER WE ARE LOOKING TO THE PLANNING EFFORTS THAT WERE DONE BY THE COUNTY BACK IN 2006. IT SAID WE HAVE RURAL DEVELOPMENT NOW. WE PROJECTED TO HAVE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT AND HOW ARE WE GOING TO HANDLE THAT WITH OUR TRANSPORTATION NETWORK. SO, BOTH THE TPO AND TINDALE OLIVER USED POPULATION PROJECTIONS PREPARED BY YOUR STAFF THAT IDENTIFIED WHERE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO LIVE IN LAKE ASBURY IN 2040. SO NOT TODAY BUT OVER THE 20-YEAR HORIZON. WE'RE LOOKING AT ABOUT 20,000 NEW HOUSEHOLDS IN EXCESS OF 16,000 EMPLOYEES IN THIS AREA. THE RESULTS OF THOSE ANALSIES SAID THAT THE COUNTY SHOULD ACTUALY WIDEN 209 AND 739-B. SO, SAND RIDGE ROAD AND 209. BECAUSE THOSE ARE THE ROADS THAT ARE EXISTING. WITHOUT ADDITIONAL CONSIDERATION THAT'S WHAT WE ALWAYS DO. WE WIDEN KINGSLEY. WE WINDED BLANDING. SO, THIS IS A PATTERN THAT EVERYONE IN THE REGION FOLLOWS.
THE STRUCTURE YOU HAVE, NEW DEVELOPMENT YOU JUST WIDEN THAT INFRASTRUCTURE. SO HOW DOES THE MODELLING THAT'S DONE BY THE TPO AND TINDALE OLIVER ACTUALLY IDENTIFY WHERE TRAFFIC IMPACTS ARE GOING TO OCCUR? SO, THESE MODELS ARE SET UP TO BE KIND OF AN ABSTRACTION OF THE REAL WORLD. THEY USE WHAT'S CALLED SIN FIRED AND SIN FIRED CONNECTORS AND IDENTIFIES A NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN A GEOGRAPHIC AREA. WHAT YOU SEE ARE NUMBERS WITH THE LETTERS HH.
THOSE ARE TOTAL HOUSEHOLDS IN THESE AREAS IN THE YEAR 2040. AND THEN THE MODEL ASSUMES THAT ALL THOSE PEOPLE LIVE -- ALL THOSE HOUSEHOLDS EXIST INSIDE THAT DOT. SO, IT IS AN ABSTRACTION OF THE REAL WORLD. IT SAYS 2,800 HOUSEHOLDS LIVE IN THAT DOT. THEN IT TAKES THE TRAFFIC THAT'S GENERATED BY THOSE HOUSEHOLDS AND PLACES IT ON THE EXISTING ROAD NETWORK USING THOSE ARROWS. THOSE ARROWS ARE REPRESENTATIVE OF ARTIFICIAL OR DUMMY LINKS THAT CONNECT THE HOUSEHOLDS AND THEIR TRAFFIC TO THE EXISTING ROAD NETWORK. THEY'RE CALLED SINTROID
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CONNECTORS. SO I GIVE YOU THIS VISUAL TO UNDERSTAND THAT THE MODEL THAT'S DONE IS AN ABSTRACTION OF THE REAL WORLD. THERE ARE NOT 9,000 HOUSEHOLDS THAT LIVE IN A DOT BUT THIS MODEL IS INTENDED TO BE AT A 30,000-FOOT LEVEL. THESE MODELS ARE NOT USED TO DETERMINE HOW MANY DRIVEWAYS THERE ARE. THIS IS NOT WALMART COMING IN. SO THE COUNTY SAYS I NEED A TURN LANE TO GET INTO WALMART BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO GENERATE A LOT OF TRAFFIC. THESE MODELS ARE LONG RANGE TRANSPORTATION MODELS AND THEY SAY DO YOU NEED TWO LANES OR FOUR LANES. DO YOU NEED FOUR LANES OR SIX LANES? SO THE TOOLS THAT ARE USED BY THE COUNTY UNDER THE TPO'S ANALYSIS AND YOUR TINDALE OLIVER IMPACT FEE STUDY WAS USED TO GENERATE THE INFORMATION I'M GOING SHARE ABOUT SOME ALTERNATIVES THAT YOU MIGHT CONSIDER. SO, FROM THE ANALYSIS THAT THE TPO DID FOR YOU, THE COUNTY CONSIDERED A BOND ISSUE AND THE PROJECTS THAT ARE IN YOUR BOND ISSUE ARE A PRODUCT OF THAT PARTICULAR ANALYSIS. SO, THIS WAS THE INFORMATION PROVIDED TO YOU BY PFM IN THE MIDDLE OF DECEMBER. SO AT THE TOP ARE THE DEFICIENT ROADS THAT YOU'VE IDENTIFIED TO IMPROVE AND THAT YOU ARE GOING TO BOND SOMEWHERE AROUND $129 MILLION TO MAKE THOSEIMPROVEMENTS. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: WAS THAT GENERATED BY THE TPO? THOSE ROAD
SELECTIONS? >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: GENERATED BY STAFF, I BELIEVE.
>> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: OUR ORIGINAL LIST WAS IT PROJECTS OR JUST DEFICIENCIES THAT WE MEASURED?
>> SPEAKER: THE ORIGINAL 2040 Z. DATA WHAT'S GENERATED BY THE TPO WITH INPUT FROM COUNTY STAFF
BACK ABOUT SEVEN YEARS AGO. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: BUT THE RECENT REPORT WE JUST GOT BASED
ON THE ACTUAL TRAFFIC COUNTS IS WHAT DROVE OUR MOST RECENT LIST. >> AND THAT WAS COUNTY DRIVEN.
>> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: SO REALLY THAT'S THE LIST WE'RE WORKING OFF OF NOT THE TPO PROJECTIONS
RIGHT? >> CORRECT. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: THANK
YOU. >> SPEAKER: THE TPO'S RESULTS CONFIRMED WHAT YOUR CURRENT DATA IS SHOWING YOU. THAT AS THE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT COMES ONLINE YOU WILL NEED TO WIDEN THESE ROADS. SO, THESE IMPROVEMENTS ARE CAPACITY IMPROVEMENTS. IF YOU APPROVE AN INDIVIDUAL DEVELOPMENT LARGE SUBDIVISION, WHEN THE COUNTY APPROVES THOUGH DEVELOPMENT PLANS FOR THE SUBDIVISION, IF TURN LANES ARE NEEDED, THAT DEVELOPMENT PAYS FOR THOSE TURN LANES. THOSE ARE OPERATIONAL IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE REQUIRED TO SERVE JUST THAT DEVELOPMENT. SO, YOUR IMPROVEMENTS ARE NOT PROJECTING THE NEED FOR THOSE. THAT IS AN OBLIGATION OF A DEVELOPER WHEN THEY COME IN FOR ACTUALLY FOR THEIR APPROVAL. SALVE THIS WAS A LIST THAT YOU WERE CONSIDERING IN EARLY DECEMBER. AND SO WHAT WE ARE BRINGING TO YOU THIS AFTERNOON, THIS EVENING IS A CONSIDERATION OF AN ALTERNATE SET OF IMPROVEMENTS. SO, IF YOU WERE TO MAKE THE ROAD IMPROVEMENTS THAT YOU ARE CONSIDERING IN YOUR BOND ISSUE TRAFFIC WILL MOVE AROUND IN LAKE ASBURY QUITE FINE. IT WILL WORK IF YOU MAKE THESE PARTICULAR IMPROVEMENTS. BECAUSE THESE WOULD BE THE ONLY ROADS IN LAKE ASBURY UNDER THIS TURK ALTERNATIVE, EVERY DEVELOPMENT IS GOING TO HAVE A DRIVEWAY OFF SAND RIDGE. OR A DRIVEWAY ON 209. THERE ARE DEVELOPMENTS UP AND DOWN SAND RIDGE ROAD THAT ARE 750 UNITS, 999 UNITS. SO, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE AN ENTRANCE ON SAND RIDGE AND THEY'RE GOING TO PUT THAT TRAFFIC ON THE ONLY WAY THAT'S AVAILABLE TO THEM. THIS IS THE ROAD NETWORK THAT YOU ARE CONSIDERING DEVELOPING.
>> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: ARE YOU ASSUMING THAT THE APF ROADS WILL NEVER GET BUILT?
>> SPEAKER: I AM ASSUMING THAT AT THE TIME THE DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE CURRENTLY IN THE
DEVELOPMENT APPROVAL PROCESS, THE APF ROADS DO NOT EXIST. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: BUT THEY
WILL IN 20 YEARS RIGHT? >> SPEAKER: THEY COULD EXIST IN 20 YEARS. EACH OF THOSE DEVELOPMENTS WHEN THEY MAKE THEIR INITIAL APPROVAL WITH CLAY COUNTY WILL NOT RELY ON THOSE ROADS. THEY DON'T EXIST TODAY. SO THE MAIN ENTRANCE WILL BE ON SAND RIDGE. IS THERE AN INCIDENT ENTRANCE THAT'S REQUIRED IN 20 YEARS? YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. WHAT WE'RE CREATING NOW WITH THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE CONSIDERED IN THE BOND ISSUE THAT YOU ARE CONTEMPLATING IS COUNTY ROAD 220. AND IT IS RACE TRACK ROAD IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY. IT'S MAJOR ENTRANCES OF SUBDIVISIONS ON FOUR-LANE ROADS. SO, THESE ROADS WOULD BE ACTUALLY SIMILAR TO HENDLEY THERE WILL BE FOUR LANES WITH TURN LANES. SO, THIS IS AN ALTERNATIVE THAT YOU HAVE UNDER ACTIVE CONSIDERATION. SO WHAT WE LOOKED AT AND ACTUALLY THE LANDOWNERS IN THIS AREA HIRED
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ENGLAND, TIMES AND MILLER WHO DOES THE TRANSPORTATION MODELLING SIMILAR TO THE TPO AND TINDALE OLIVER DID, THIS IS THE LAKE ASBURY MASTER PLAN'S PUBLIC FACILITIES MAP. THIS WAS ADOPTED IN 2006. SO, BACK THEN WHEN THERE WAS A NOTION BY THE THEN BOARD AND THE PLANNING STAFF THAT THIS AREA WAS NOT GOING TO BE RURAL BUT IT WAS GOING TO HAVE 20,000 MORE HOUSEHOLDS AND 16,000 MORE EMPLOYEES THAT MAYBE SOE MORE ROADS MIGHT BE AN APPROPRIATE WAY TO GO. BECAUSE WE ALL LOOKED AROUND AND SAW ORANGE PARK. I WAS HERE AT THE TIME AND SAID MAYBE THAT'S A PATTERN THAT WE DON'T WANT TO REPEAT. SO, LAKE ASBURY MASTER PLAN AS IS THE BRANDONFIELD MASTER PLAN IS BASED ON THESE TRANSPORTATION PLANNING PRINCIPALS. THE PRINCIPLES ARE IF YOU HAVE CONNECTED NETWORKS THAT THAT CONNECTIVITY REDISTRIBUTES THE TRAFFIC ACROSS ALL THE ROADS. IT DOESN'T FUNNEL THE TRAFFIC TO THE POINTS OF CONGESTION. SO, IF EVERYBODY'S HEADED TOWARD 209 AND SAND RIDGES THAT WHERE THE CONGESTION POINT BECAUSE EVERYBODY'S IN THAT ONE POINT. IF THERE ARE MULTIPLE ROUTES TO TRAVEL THE TRAFFIC DISTRIBUTES ITSELF AND WE'VE HEARD THAT DESCRIBED AS A WATER SYSTEM. THE MORE PIPES YOU HAVE, THE SAME AMOUNT OF WATER, THE SAME AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC IS DISTRIBUTED OVER SMALLER PIPES THAN BIGGER PIPES. THOSE ARE VERY MUCH THE SAME. TRANSPORTATION PLANNING TELLS US THAT PARALLEL SYSTEMS PROVIDE ALTERNATIVE ROUTES THAT CAN BE USED IN PEAK HOUR CONGESTION AND USED WHEN ACCIDENT OCCURRED OR THAT'S SOME IMPEDIMENT TO TRAVEL ON A ROAD. WE FOUND OUT WHEN 220 WAS IMPROVED AND 218 WAS IMPROVED THAT TRAFFIC HAD TO BE DIVERTED. SOMETIMES MANY MILES OUT OF THEIR WAY BECAUSE THERE WAS NOT A ROBUST ROAD NETWORK IN CLAY COUNTY. TRIP DISTANCES BECOME SHORTER BECAUSE THERE'S MORE DIRECT ROUTES PROVIDED BID THESE PARALLEL ROUTES. IF YOU ARE IN LAKE ASBURY TODAY AND IF YOU SIT IN FRONT OF THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL IN THE MORNING WHAT YOU SEE IS TRAFFIC COMING FROM MIDDLEBURG DOWN 218, NORTHBOUND ON HENDRY, RIGHT TURN ON SAND RIDGE, RIGHT TURN ON 209 TO GET TO 17. THEY'RE GOING EAST, NORTH, EAST, SOUTH TO GET TO 17 ON 209 AT US-17 BECAUSE THERE'S NO ROUTE BETWEEN MIDDLEBURG AND 17 AS YOU GET THAT FAR SOUTH IN THE COUNTY.SO A LOT OF THE TRAFFIC YOU ARE SEEING IS THEY'RE TAKING THE ONLY ROUTE THAT'S AVAILABLE. AND THE MODEL THAT THE TPO DID AND THE MODEL YOUR IMPACT FEE STUDY IS BASED ON COULD ONLY ASSIGN THAT TRAFFIC TO THOSE ROADS. NO OTHER ROADS WERE ASSUMED TO EXIST. THE PLANNING PHILOSOPHY AND PRINCIPALS TELL US THAT PARALLEL ROUTES OF MULTIPLE TWO LANE ROADS CARRY THE SAME TRAFFIC AS ONE FOUR-LANE ROAD. WITH THE CONSTRUCTION OF MULTIPLE TWO-LANE ROADS, THE RURAL CHARACTER OF THE AREA CAN BE RETAINED. ALL WE KNOW ONCE YOU START DOWN THE ROAD OF WIDENING FROM TWO TO FOUR, 15 YEARS LATER IT'S FOUR TO SIX. AND AFTER THAT IT'S SIX TO EIGHT. BECAUSE YOU HAVE PICKED THAT PATH THAT WE SEE EVERYWHERE IN THE REGION. WHEN YOU HAVE MULTIPLE ROUTES THE SPEEDS ARE LOWER, TRIP LENGTHS ARE SHORTER AND INTERSECTIONS ARE SAFER FOR PEDESTRIANS. SO, WHEN YOU ARE APPROACHING AN INTERSECTION THAT'S TWO LANES AND TWO LANES YOUR SIDEWALK CROSSES TWO LANES OF TRAFFIC. WHEN IT'S FOUR LANES, IT'S FOUR LANES OF TRAFFIC. IN LAKE ASBURY WE HAVE AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL AND JUNIOR HIGH SCHOOL. THEY HAVE SOME OF THE HIGHEST WALK AND BICYCLE RATES IN THE COUNTY. SO, WHEN THOSE SCHOOLS LET OUT THERE ARE CHILDREN EXITING ON FOOT AND BICYCLES. SO, TO IMPROVE THE ROADS THAT YOU MIGHT CONSIDER, IS GOING TO INCREASE SIGNALIZATION, DELAY AND REDUCE SOME OF THAT PEDESTRIAN SAFETY.
SO, WHEN THE LAKE ASBURY MASTER PLAN WAS ADOPTED IT WAS BASED ON THESE PRINCIPALS. AND THESE PRINCIPALS WERE NOT EVER PUT TO A TEST OF A MODEL. THE MATH. DOES THE MATH WORK. IT WAS A GOOD PICTURE AND IT FOLLOWED THE PRINCIPALS. SO THE ANALYSIS THAT WAS DONE UNDER THE STUDY, THE RESULTS OF WHICH WE'VE PRESENTED AND WE'RE HAPPY TO DISCUSS WITH YOU THIS EVENING SAID IF YOU BUILD SOME OF THE APF ROADS, NOT ALL OF THEM BUT SOME OF THEM, YOU DON'T HAVE TO WIDEN 209 AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO WIDEN SAND RIDGE. SO, WHY WOULD THAT WORK SFWH WHY DOES THAT SEEM TO BE INTUITIVE? TRAFFIC THAT TRAVELS ON 209 RIGHT NOW FROM US-17 IS GOING NORTHBOUND ON RUSSELL ROAD AND TURNING TO THE LEFT TO GO ON SAND RIDGE. THERE'S REALLY NOT ACTIVITY AT THE CORNER OF SAND RIDGE AND 209. PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO GET DIAGONALLY INTO WHERE THE SHOPPING IS, TO WHERE THE SCHOOLS ARE, SO PEOPLE ARE ONLY ON 209 BECAUSE IT'S THE ONLY
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ROAD THERE IS. SO THE MODELLING THAT WE DID SHOWED US THAT IF YOU BUILD THE ROAD NETWORK THAT YOU SEE HERE, YOU DON'T HAVE TO WIDEN 209 AND SAND RIDGE. SO THOSE NUMBERS HAVE BEEN PROVIDED TO YOUR STAFF AND VETTED AND DISCUSSED AT GREAT LENGTH. SO, THERE'S THE TECHNICAL BACK-UP NOW FOR THE PICTURE THAT WAS PICTURE IS STILL PART OF YOUR - LAKE ASBURY MASTER PLAN. IT'S STILL THE ADOPTED COMPONENT OF THE MASTER PLAN. THESE ARE CALLED THE APF ROADS. AND SO WHEN WE CAME TO THE STAFF INITIALLY WE SAID WE THINK THAT YOU SHOULD CONSIDER THIS INFORMATION AND MAYBE BUILD THESE ROADS INSTEAD. AND AFTER OUR FIRST MEETING WITH THE STAFF, WE KIND OF LEFT AND SAID WELL WE COULD DO A DIFFERENT VARIATION ON THAT. SO, THIS IS A STEP THAT'S TAKING US TOWARD WHERE WE ARE TONIGHT. SO MANY PEOPLE LOOKED AT THIS AND MANY PEOPLE HAVE BEEN PUSHING AND PRODDING ON THIS PARTICULAR LIST THAT YOU ARE GOING TO CONSIDER.SO THE PRESENTATION THAT WE HAVE TONIGHT ABOUT ALTERNATIVES THAT WE THINK WORK AT A STAFF LEVEL AND BY THOSE OF US THAT ARE WORKING IN LAKE ASBURY TO BRING YOU THIS ALTERNATIVE IS TO ACTUALLY BUILD 315, WIDEN 315 FROM US-17 TO 315-B. THAT WE WIDEN TO A FOUR-LANE FACILITY.
THERE'S A PROJECT CALLED WILLOW SPRINGS. YOU KNOW, THE 90-DEGREE TURN AND 315 YOU COME TO A DEAD 90 DEGREES AND YOU GO SOUTH. RIGHT-OF-WAY HAS BEEN SET ASIDE INSIDE OF THAT PROJECT. IT IS A PUD. TO ALLOW THE CORNER TO BE STRAIGHTENED OUT. SO IT'S GOING TO BE A SWEEPING CURVE THAT MEETS THE STANDARDS. THE PROPOSAL THAT WE'RE ASKING YOU TO CONSIDER PLACES THAT AT A THREE-LANE ROAD IMPROVEMENT. SO THAT'S A THREE-LANE STANDARD. RIGHT-OF-WAY FOR FOUR LANES.
SO, IF IT NEEDS TO BE WIDENED IN THE FUTURE THAT'S AVAILABLE. CONSTRUCT THREE LANES. THIS PROPOSAL WOULD THEN EXTEND -- IT'S CALLED THE 218 EXTENSION TO THE WEST TOWARD THE EXPRESSWAY AS A THREE-LANE ROAD. THAT'S THAT GREEN LINE, THINNER GREEN LINE THAT YOU SEE COMING OFF 315 AND GOING TO THE WEST. IT WOULD CONSTRUCT NORTH-SOUTH 1 UP TO SAND RIDGE ROAD. SO THAT LOOP THERE, THE MODEL TELLS US IS THE STANDING FOR 209. THE FOUR LANES OF TRAFFIC THAT'S NEEDED ON 209.
TWO LANES STAY ON 209 AND TWO LANES IS NOW ON NORTH-SOUTH 1. SO IT PROVIDES A SHORTER ROUTE IF YOU ARE TRYING TO GET TO THE MIDDLE OF LAKE ASBURY. AND IT ACARRIES THE SAME TRAFFIC AS IF YOU MADE YOUR INVESTMENT ON 209. THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE'RE ASKING YOU TO CONSIDER IS TO DO WHAT'S CALLED A 3-R PROJECT ON 209. 3-R IS A TERM FROM THE D.O.T. REHAB, RESTORE AND RESURFACE. SO IT MEANS 209 WOULD SEE FIVE FOOT SHOULDERS, FIXING SUB-GRADE THAT'S GOING TO BE A PROBLEM, RESURFACING THAT ROAD, AND STRIPING THAT ROAD. SO THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE I THINK THE RECENT IMPROVEMENT YOU HAVE EXPERIENCE WITH WOULD BE 218. I THINK THE D.O.T. JUST DID. SO THE RESULT WOULD BE SIMILAR TO THAT. SO THE CONSTRUCTION OF THESE ROADS WOULD BE THAT SUBSTITUTE FOR 209. 209 GETS A STRUCTURAL AND SURFACING FACELIFT. IN ALL THESE IMPROVEMENTS, ALL THESE ALTERNATIVES WE'RE CONSIDERING, 209 FROM US-17 TO 315 IS FOUR LANES. THAT'S IN ALL OF THESE ALTERNATIVES THAT STAYS A FOUR-LANE IMPROVEMENT. SO, ALL OF THESE IMPROVEMENTS SOUTH OF SAND RIDGE WOULD BE FUNDED OUT OF THE BOND ISSUE THAT YOU ARE CONSIDERING APPROVING. THEN NORTH OF SAND RIDGE THE MODEL TELLS US THAT THE WIDENING OF SAND RIDGE ROAD ITSELF IS, AGAIN, A CONDUIT FROM 209 TO THE AREA OF DEVELOPMENT. TO THE SCHOOLS, THE HOUSING THAT IS AT THE WEST END OF SAND RIDGE. SO, IN LIEU OF WIDENING SAND RIDGE ROAD TO FOUR LANES, THIS PROPOSAL IS TO WIDEN SAND RIDGE ROAD TO THREE LANES. SO THAT WOULD ALLOW COMPLETE THROUGH TRAFFIC ON TWO LANES. RIGHT NOW THERE'S A LOT OF CONGESTION WHERE PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO TURN LEFT ON SAND RIDGE ROAD. SO, EVERYBODY QUEUES UP BEFORE THEM.
BY CREATING A LANE IN THE MIDDLE TRAFFIC CAN GET OUT OF THE THROUGH LANES AND THE TWO LANES BECOME MUCH MORE EFFICIENT. THE LINES THAT YOU SEE IN GREEN NORTH OF SAND RIM ARE APF ROADS THAT GOING TO BE BUILT BY THE DEVELOPERS. THERE'S CURRENT PROJECT APPROVED. YOU HAVE SOME
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RIGHT-OF-WAY IN YOUR HAND. THAT'S EAST-WEST 1 NEAR WHERE THE BELTWAY IS . THAT DEVELOPMET IS UNDERWAY AND THAT IMPROVEMENT IS IN THE PIPELINE TO START. NORTH-SOUTH 2 WHICH RUNS PARALLEL TO THE BELTWAY AND CONNECTS TO EAST-WEST 1, THAT IS ALSO PART OF A DEVELOPMENT UP FOR SALE. IT'S UP FOR PURCHASE. SO A LAND OWNER IS HERE TONIGHT IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO ASK THEM ABOUT THEIR PROGRESS. AND THAT WILL BE COMPLETED WITHIN THE NEXT FIVE YEARS. THEY'RE GOING TO SEE ACQUISITION THEN THAT WILL BE BUILT AS THE DEVELOPMENT COMES ALONG. THE LITTLE GREEN HOOK THAT YOU SEE TO THE RIGHT THAT COMES OFF 209, THAT IS ONE OF MR. HART'S PROJECTS AND THAT'S UNDER CONSTRUCTION. SO THAT PIECE OF GREEN ROAD WILL ACTUALLY BE IN CONSTRUCTION IF IT'S NOT ALREADY. SO, THIS IMPROVEMENT SCHEDULE YOU CONSIDER IS GOING TO BE TO TAKE SAND RIDGE ROAD TO WIDEN IT TO THREE LANES WITH BIKE LANES. SO WHAT WE'RE ASKING TO YOU CONSIDER IN A FINANCIAL PACKAGE I THINK DALE WILL GIVE YOU THE HARD NUMBERS FOR IS THESE APF IMPROVEMENTS THAT I'VE DESCRIBED NORTH OF SAND RIDGE AND THE BOND IMPROVEMENTS WHICH IS THREE LANING SAND RIDGE, 3R ON 209, NORTH SOUTH 1, 218, 209. THERE'S A COUPLE OF PROJECTS ON THE LIST THAT ARE OUTSIDE OF LAKE ASBURY. BUT WHAT'S MISSING, THE TOOTHS THAT MISSING IN THE PUZZLE IS THE CONNECTION BETWEEN 218 AND THE BELTWAY. SO, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE ALL RECOGNIZE IS THE IMPORTANCE OF ACCESS TO THE FIRST COAST EXPRESSWAY. SO THE EXPRESSWAY IS GOING TO OPEN IN 2024. ABSENT THESE IMPROVEMENTS, IF THE COUNTY IS TO CONSTRUCT WHAT ITS CONSIDERING RIGHT NOW, THERE IS NO CONNECTION TO THAT BELTWAY AT ALL. AND IT'S PLANNED AND I'LL DESCRIBE HOW IT'S PLANNED AND HOW IT'S COMMITTED BUT IT'S NOT COMMITTED AT ANY TIME IN THE NEAR FUTURE. SO THE INVESTMENT THAT YOU MIGHT MAKE TO FOUR LANES THESE IMPROVEMENTS DOESN'T ADDRESS THAT PARTICULAR OPPORTUNITY THAT THE BELTWAY IS FOR THE COUNTY. SO HOW DOES THAT LITTLE PIECE GET BUILT? WELL THE SARATOGA SPRINGS DRI IS APPROVED. IT'S BUTS 315 ON THE EAST AND IT COMES JUST A LITTLE OVER HALF A MILE FROM THE EXPRESSWAY ON THE WEST. IT IS A DRI. IT HAS 4,000 DWELLING UNITS AND COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT APPROVED. PART OF IT'S PROFESSIONAL FOR A DRI IS THAT IT HAS TO BUILD WHAT YOU SEE, HE CALLS IT THE NECKLACE, THE ORANGE DOTS. WHEN THIS WAS APPROVED THE BELTWAY AS LINE ON A MAP. HAD NO MONEY. PRETTY BUT REALLY NO FORESIGHT TO SEE WHEN IT WAS GOING TO BE BUILT. SO, ALL THE DEVELOPMENT WAS ORIENTED TO 315. SO, THEIR IMPROVEMENTS WERE TO HIDEN 315 OUT TO US-17 BECAUSE THAT'S THE ONLY WAY THEY COULD GO FOAM NOW THAT THE BELTWAY IS HERE, THE PLAN IS TO REORIENT THE DEVELOPMENT IN THAT DRI TO THE WESTERN BOUNDARY.THAT MEANS THOSE HOUSES WILL ACCESS THE BELTWAY AND THEIR FIRST PHASE IMPROVEMENT WILL BE THAT CONSTRUCTION OR THAT PIECE THAT'S MISSING IN THE PUZZLE. SO, ALL THE IMPROVEMENTS WE'RE ASKING YOU TO CONSIDER THIS EVENING IS TO MAKE THE IMPROVEMENTS I DESCRIBED SOUTH OF SAND RIDGE, THE DEVELOPERS WILL MAKE THE IMPROVEMENTS NORTH OF SAND RIDGE. SAND RIDGE WILL SEE A THREE LANE IMPROVEMENT. 209 A 3R IMPROVEMENT. AND THE INCOME LAS, THE LAST LITTLE PIECE OF THE PUZZLE IS DIRECTED TO THE DRI. SO, WE'RE HERE THIS EVENING REALLY TO JUST REITERATE THIS. IT IS A LOT OF INFORMATION. I KNOW THE SECOND TIME THERE'S STILL QUESTIONS THAT WILL COME FROM THAT. AND REALLY WE'RE SAYING THAT WE BELIEVE THIS IS THE RIGHT INVESTMENT TO EXPAND THE NETWORK OF ROADS IN LAKE ASBURY AND TO PROVIDE THAT OPPORTUNITY TO ACCESS THE BELTWAY. SO THE BELTWAY ACTUALLY HAS DEVELOPMENT AROUND THAT INTERCHANGE. THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS THE D.O.T. CITED THAT INTERCHANGE. SO THE BELTWAY ISN'T A FREE ROAD. THE BELTWAY IS A TOLL ROAD. SO THE D.O.T. MAKES DECISIONS ABOUT ACCESS. WHERE IS THE DEVELOPMENT GOING TO OCCUR SO I GIVE IT A TOLL BOX AND I CAN COLLECT MONEY. BECAUSE THEY'VE GOT TO PAY FOR THIS ROAD. SO THE COUNTY HAD DESIGNATED IN ITS LAKE ASBURY MASTER PLAN AN ACTIVITY CENTER. THAT ACTIVITY CENTER IS RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS BELTWAY ACCESS. IT'S ABOUT 500 ACRES OF ACTIVITY CENTER. THE 2040 PROJECTION IS FOR ABOUT 6,500 JOBS IN THIS LOCATION. AND
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8 MILLION SQUARE FEET OF INDUSTRIAL SERVICE AND COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT. SO, IN THE ABSENCE OF IMPROVEMENT THAT GET US TO THAT BELTWAY FROM THE EAST, THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN GET TO THAT INTERCHANGE IS FROM MIDDLEBURG. OTHERWISE YOU HAVE TO COME FROM 17 ON 209 UP 209 ACROSS SAND RIDGE, DOWN 218 AND OVER TO THE INTERCHANGE FROM THE WEST. SO PART OF THIS PUZZLE WAS NOT ONLY HOW DO WE CREATE A BETTER NETWORK AND HIT ALTERNATIVE ROUTES FOR FIRE SAFETY, FOR GENERAL ACCESS, BUT HOW DO WE TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THIS INTERCHANGE? THIS IS INTENDED TO BE OUR SOUTH POINT. THIS IS WHERE WE HAVE THE LAND AVAILABLE AND THE LAND ENTITLEMENTS TO BE AVAILABLE. REINHOLD IS CURRENTLY BUILDING THE EXTENSION OF 218 TO THIS INTERCHANGE ON THE WEST SIDE BUT WE DON'T HAVE THAT COMMITMENT ON THE EAST SIDE. SO THE PROPOSED IMPROVEMENTS WILL PROVIDE THE SAME TRANSPORTATION FUNCTION. THE MODELLING TELLS US THE CARS WILL MOVE AROUND AND IT WILL BE AN EFFICIENT FORM OF TRANSPORTATION. THESE IMPROVEMENTS WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR TRAVEL TWO YEARS SOONER THAN YOU CAN WIDEN 209 AND SAND RIDGE. WHY? 209 AND SANDRIDGE REQUIRE SIGNIFICANT RIGHT-OF-WAY ACQUISITION. THESE ROADS ARE THE RIGHT-OF-WAY IS CONTROLLED BY ABOUT THREE LANDOWNERS. THERE'S TWO THAT AREN'T IN THE ROOM BUT THREE LANDOWNERS WHO WILL MAKE THAT RIGHT-OF-WAY AVAILABLE TO YOU BY AGREEMENT. SO THAT WILL BE AVAILABLE TO YOU AS SOON AS AN AGREEMENT CAB BE DRAFTED. YOU CAN DO YOUR DESIGN ENGINEERING. WHEN YOU FINALIZE YOUR DESIGN AND IT STOPS BEING A ROAD ON A MOON AND BECOMES A SET OF PLANS, THAT RIGHT OF WAY CAN HAVE A LEGAL DESCRIPTION AND BE DEDICATED TO YOU. SO, NO RIGHT-OF-WAY ACQUISITION AND EMINENT DOMAIN. AND IT WILL RETAIN THE RURAL CHARACTER OF LAKE ASBURY BECAUSE NOW WE HAVE A SYSTEM OF TWO AND THREE LANE ROADS INSTEAD OF FOUR LANE INTERSECTIONS. SO IT WILL PROVIDE ACCESS TO THE JOB CENTER. THEY'LL INCREASE PUBLIC SAFETY ACCESS FOR EMS, FIRE AND POLICE IN THIS AREA AND IMPROVE HURRICANE EVACUATION TIMES. ONE OF THE THINGS THIS ROUTE DOES WITHOUT THE ROUTE THAT GOES FROM ACROSS THE MIDDLE AT THE INTERCHANGE, THERE'S THE ONLY EVACUATION ROUTES IN CLAY COUNTY THAT GET YOU OUT OF THE WAY OF STATE ROAD 16 AND COUNTY ROAD 220. EVERYTHING ELSE COMES TO BLANDING AND HITS THE WET LANDS. SO, THISSING A SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENT IN HURRICANE EVACUATION IMPROVEMENTS. SO, THIS IS KIND OF GIVING YOU THE BACKGROUND OF WHY WE THINK IT'S TECHNICALLY FEASIBLE. AND WE ALSO FEEL LIKE SUPPORTS AND IS CONSISTENT WITH THE PLAN THAT YOU HAVE ADOPTED FOR ENTITLEMENTS IN THIS AREA. SO,I THINK DALE -- >> SPEAKER: IT WILL BE ME. MR. CHAIRMAN. THANK YOU, SUSAN.
OKAY. SO, I'VE HEARD IT A FEW TIMES. IT'S A LOT TO DIGEST. EVEN SITTING THROUGH THIS ABOUT THE THIRD TIME HERE PUBLICLY AND PROBABLY THE 20TH TIME IN TOTAL, SUSAN CAME TO US BEFORE CHRISTMAS WITH THIS PROPOSAL. AND WE'VE SAT DOWN NUMEROUS TIMES WITH HER TO TAKE A CLEAR LOOK AT THIS. AND WHAT MAKES SENSE WITH IT. SO, IN ORDER TO SIMPLIFY KIND OF THE THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON. TROY, IF YOU WOULD BRING UP DALE'S BRIEF THAT HE SENT YOU. IT WAS THE BCC MEETING BONDING. SO, OVER TO THE RIGHT HERE WITHIN THE CHAMBERS IS A MAP THAT WE HAD DRAWN UP IN THE PUBLIC YOU ARE MORE THAN WELCOME TO COME OVER AND TAKE A LOOK AT IT. WE'LL ALSO HAVE IT UP ON THE SLIDES. AND THE MAP SHOULD LOOK FAMILIAR. BECAUSE I DON'T LIKE TO CHANGE A LOT OF THINGS SO RED MEANS BAD, THE WORST, AND PURPLE MEANS KIND OF BAD IN THE COLOR CODE OF IT. IF YOU REMEMBER WHEN I FIRST CAME TO THE BOARD THERE WERE SIX PROJECTS. FOUR OF THEM WERE IN RED AND TWO IN PURPLE.
THE RED MEANS DEFICIENT. IT PURPLE, THE TWO PURPLES WERE HE- APPROACHING CAPACITY AND APPROACHING IT FAST. THE SLIDE THAT HAS BEEN UPDATED, ALL I'VE DONE IS REMOVED THE PURPLE PROJECT WHICH WAS ALONG 220. AND IT WAS THE SIX LANING OF THE PROJECT. SO, AS WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT BONDING AND WE WENT INTO THE TOWN HALLS THERE WAS A LARGE TALK AND A LARGE IDENTIFICATION OF, IF YOU SIX-LANE 220, WHERE ARE WE GOING TO BE NOW? IT'S GOING TO BE AN ABSOLUTE NIG NIGHTMARE. SO, LISTENING TO THAT AND TAKING A LOOK AT THE MONEYS WE HAD, THE $4 MILLION, TO DO A TRIPLE R THERE TO IMPROVE THE TURNING LANES, TO REDUCE THE SPACE IN BETWEEN THE MEDIANS WHERE THE CARS PILE UP AND NOBODY KNOWS WHICH WAY ANYBODY IS GOING, WE CAN ADDRESS THOSE ISSUES AND THOSE PROBLEMS WITHIN 220 IN THAT AREA AND GET THE PEOPLE TO
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WHERE THEY NEED TO GO EFFICIENTLY AND EFFECTIVELY AND MOST IMPORTANTLY SAFELY. SO WHAT I'VE DONE IS I'VE REDUCED THE NUMBER OF PROJECTS TO FIVE. THAT'S THE FIRST THING I'VE DONE. THE FOUR RED REMAIN. SO, WITHIN THE GRAPHIC THAT YOU SEE IN FRONT OF YOU AND COMMISSIONERS YOU HAVE IT IN FRONT OF YOU, A PRINTED COPY. THOSE FIVE PROJECTS ARE LISTED AT THE TOP. SO THE FIRST ONE, AND WE'VE ALSO PRIORITIZED THEM FROM THE LAST BOARD MEETING IT WAS ASKED THAT THE STAFF PRIORITIZE THESE. WE TOOK A LOOK AT THEM ACROSS THE BOARD AND THEY ARE NUMBERED 1-5 IN PRIORITY. THE FIRST ONE IS COUNTY ROAD 218, PINE TREE TO CAUSE COSMOS. THE LENGTH IS THERE, THE NUMBER OF LANES AND THE OPTIONS LISTED OUT. I'D LIKE TO KIND OF QUICKLY JUST GO THROUGH EACH OF THESE FIVE AND THEN WE CAN KIND OF GET INTO THESE OPTIONS. THE SECOND ONE IS COUNTY ROAD 209 FROM COUNTY ROAD 315 BRAVO TO US-17. THE THIRD IS COUNTY ROAD 209 TO SAND RIDGE TO 315 BRAVO. THE FOURTH IS HENDLEY TO COUNTY ROAD 209. THE LAST IS BAXLEY TO HENDLEY. WHEN I CAME TO YOU A FEW WEEKS AGO OR A FEW BOARD MEETINGS AGO I HAD OPTION 1 DOWN. OPTION 1 IS MISSING THE 6TH. SO, NOW THE TOTAL ABOUT TO BOND WOULD BE $119.1 MILLION.IT'S AS SIMPLE AS I COULD PUT IT. IN OPTION 1. SO, YOU SAY WHY DIDN'T WE ADDRESS THE COMMUNITY'S CONCERN ABOUT 222? WE TALKED ABOUT HAVING POSSIBLY MONEY IN RESERVES. SO, IF WE STOP THE MEETING RIGHT NOW, WE COULD CALL IT A DAY OR NIGHT AND WE COULD MOVE FORWARD AND THAT WOULD BE MY PROPOSAL. BUT I WOULD SAY, BUT WAIT. THERE'S AN ALTER ALTERNATIVES THAT HERE. ALTERNATIVE 1 AND 2 THAT WE CAN DISCUSS. IT'S NOT JUST AS EASY AS PICKING ONE. BECAUSE WHEN YOU PICK ONE THERE'S OTHER FACTORS THAT COME INTO PLAY OR YOU PICK THE OTHER WITHOUT ALTERNATIVE 1 THERE IS OTHER FACTORS THAT COME IN TO PLAY. SO IT TOOK US A LONG TIME IN MEETINGS WITH SUSAN AND THE STAFF TO REALLY TAKE A LOOK AT THIS. ED AND DALE WERE VERY MUCH INVOLVED IN THIS, TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE FLOW. AND WHAT WOULD BE THE BEST IMPACT TO THIS AREA IN LAKE ASBURY IN THE FUTURE GROWTH THAT'S THERE? SO, IF YOU GO DOWN I WANT TO NOW TALK ABOUT A1 AND A2. SO, IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND, TROY, GO TO THE SLIDE FOR ME FOR THE PICTURE. AND IT'S KIND OF HARD TO SEE HERE. COULD YOU ZOOM IN A LITTLE BIT FROM THAT AREA. IS THAT POSSIBLE AT ALL? SO -- ONCE HE OPENS IT NORMAL WE'LL BE ABLE TO ZOOM IN. THANK YOU, TROY. A LITTLE BIT MORE. SO, SUSAN ALLUDED TO A1 AND A2 IN HER BRIEF. I TRIED TO KEEP THE NECKLACE THERE. THE ORANGE NECKLACE. YOU CAN SEE THAT UP THERE TO THE LEFT. BUT BASICALLY WHAT'S GOING ON HERE IS THAT THERE'S A ROAD IMPROVEMENT FROM COUNTY OR EXCUSE ME STATE ROAD 17 AND COUNTY ROAD 315 YOU'LL THE WAY TO AN AREA OF WHICH WE'LL CALL DRI OR NORTH-SOUTH 1. AND THAT'S RIGHT WHERE THE ORANGE NECKLACE STARTS. SO, I'LL GET INTO THAT HERE IN A SECOND. A2 OR ALTERNATIVE 2 IS NORTH-SOUTH 1 OF WHAT SUSAN JUST BRIEFED. AND THAT'S UP THERE. SO, IF YOU TAKE A LOOK -- GO BACK NOW, TROY. THANK YOU. AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE HANDOUT. SO, ON THE HANDOUTS THE FIRST ONE IS COUNTY ROAD 315. THAT GOES FROM HIGHWAY 17 TO WILLOW SPRINGS. WILLOW SPRINGS IS A POINT ON THE MAP THAT'S HARD TO IDENTIFY BUT IT'S BASICALLY ALMOST IN BETWEEN THAT THICKNESS THAT YOU SAW ON SUSAN'S SLIDE THAT SHE BRIEFED US. WILLOW SPRINGS TO 315 IS THE SECOND PORTION OF IT. AND THEN THE FINAL PORTION IS FROM COUNTY ROAD 315 TO NORTH-SOUTH 1. SO THAT A1 OKAY THAT'S ALL ENCOMPASSED THAT I JUST SHOWED YOU THERE THAT GOES ALL THE WAY FROM HIGHWAY 17 TO NORTH-SOUTH 1, DALE YOU DID -- YOU ADDED A2 TO IT. WE USED TO HAVE IT BROKEN OUT DIFFERENTLY. A2 IS NORTH-SOUTH 1 WHICH GOES FROM SAND RIDGE TO EAST-WEST 1. SO THAT TOTALLED IN COST, IF YOU TAKE A LOOK AT IT, IS WITH THE $119 MILLION ABOVE IN OPTION 1 IS $135.4 MILLION. SO, RIGHT THERE WE WENT OVER THE 130 MARK.
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SO, LET'S NOW GET INTO THE OPTIONS. SO, SINCE WE BUSTED THE BOND LEVEL AND THRESHOLD THAT WAS THERE, WE SAID WELL HOW YOU GO BACK TO THE TOP AND YOU - TAKE A LOOK AT OPTION 2. WE SAID WELL IF WE -- ALONG SAND RIDGE IF WE DON'T FOUR LANE SAND RIDGE LET'S JUST THREE LANE IT AND HOW MUCH WOULD THAT BE. WELL THAT'S OPTION 2. IT'S HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW ON THE SHEETS. WE SAID WAIT A MINUTE WE STILL DON'T HAVE ENOUGH. THAT ONLY REDUCED IT 7 MILLION. HOW ABOUT OPTION 3. OPTION 3 WE SAID HOW ABOUT ON 209 SAND RIDGE TO COUNTY ROAD 315 BRAVO LET'S JUST THREE LANE THAT. SO, $17.7 MILLION. GOT A LITTLE MORE. IF YOU WANT, WE CAN GO ALL THE WAY DOWN ON OPTION 3 AND IF YOU TAKE A LOOK AT IT WE ALSO -- IF I CAN DIRECT YOU TO THE CENTER PART OF THIS CHART, WE SAID WHY WOULD WE WANT TO -- DO WE REALLY WANT TO JUST GET THE RIGHT-OF-WAY FROM HIGHWAY 17 TO WILLOW SPRINGS? HOW MUCH WOULD THE RIGHT-OF-WAY BE? $1.6 MILLION. IF WE WANT TO FOUR LANE IT, IT WOULD BE $13 MILLION. SO, AGAIN, THERE WAS REASONINGS BEHIND FOUR LANING IT. IT WAS BECAUSE WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT, THE ULTIMATE GOAL IS TO HAVE PARALLEL ROADWAYS BOTH NORTH AND SOUTH AND EAST AND WEST. IN ORDER TO HANDLE THAT TRAFFIC THE SMARTEST THING TO DO HERE IS TO WIDEN THAT ROAD ALREADY TO THE FOUR LANES AND NOT JUST BUY THE RIGHT-OF-WAY. WHY NOT DO IT. SO, WENT FROM 1.6 MILLION TO $13 MILLION. THEN YOU HAVE WILLOW SPRINGS TO 315. THAT'S STANDARD ACROSS. WILLOW SPRINGS TO 315 IS $3.3 MILLION. THE LAST IS COUNTY ROAD 315 TOO NORTH-SOUTH 1 THAT'S 10.8 MILLION TO THREE LANE THAT ALL THE WAY THROUGH. IF YOU LOOK ON NORTH-SOUTH 1 THAT'S TWO LANEING ALL THE WAY FROM SAND RIDGE ALL THE WAY DOWN TO EAST-WEST 1 IS $17.5 MILLION.SO, I WANT TO STRESS THIS. IN SUSAN'S SLIDE SHE HAD NUMBERS THAT WERE OLD. WE'VE LOOKED AT THIS CLOSER AND CLOSER AND CLOSER AND WE GAVE OUR BEST ESTIMATE OF WHAT THE COST IS AND THAT'S WHAT YOU HAVE IN YOUR HANDS AND THAT'S UP ON THE SLIDE. SO WE SAID OKAY LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT THAT. IF YOU GO TO OPTION 3, AND YOU GO ALL THE WAY DOWN AND SAY MAKES SENSE, LET'S FOUR LANE IT, LET'S GO DOWN AND GO AHEAD AND THREE LANE THE REST OF 315 THEN ALSO TWO LANE NORTH SOUTH 1 YOU ARE AT $143.5 MILLION. WELL WE SAID WE'RE DOING OKAY. WE GOT DOWN TO $128.5 MILLION AND WE ONLY JUST BOUGHT THE RIGHT-OF-WAY FROM 17 TO WILLOW SPRINGS. WE SAID WHAT CAN WE DO APPROVE IN THE PROJECTS. INSTEAD OF THREE LANING SAND RIDGE TO 315 BRAVO WE SAID WHY DON'T WE JUST DO A TRIPLE R. THE TRIPLE R WILL HANDLE THE ROAD CONDITIONS. IT WILL LESSEN OUR IMPACT OF BUYING RIGHT-OF-WAY. AND WHEN THE DEVELOPER ACCESSES THAT ROAD, D.
R. HORTON AND CROSS CREEK, THEY'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR PUTTING IN THE TURN LANES AND THOSE ITEMS ON THAT ROAD THAT WOULD IMPACT THAT ROAD. SO WE SAID THAT DROPS THAT DOWN TO $4 MILLION. SO, I WANT TO POINT SOMETHING OUT. YOU ARE AT $4 MILLION. I'VE KEPT PROJECT 1, 2 AND 5 ARE EXACTLY THE SAME FROM MY ORIGINAL BRIEF. THE ONLY TWO PROJECTS THAT WE'VE MANIPULATED HERE: WE'VE REMOVED PROJECT 6 AND WE'VE REDUCED 3 AND 4 DOWN TO LEVELS OF WHICH WE THOUGHT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE AND TO HANDLE THE SITUATION. SO THE SUM OF THOSE FIVE PROJECTS WITH AND I GOT TO STRESS THIS TOO, I ALMOST FORGOT. WE DID TAKE A LOOK AT PUTTING THE FIBER IN.
AND THE ESTIMATED COST OF FIBER WOULD BE $200,000 PER MILE. SO, EVERY MILE THAT'S ON THERE, THAT'S THE NUMBER WE GOT. $2.5 MILLION TO DO ALL FIVE OF THOSE PROJECTS AND THE TOTAL COST RIGHT NOW WOULD BE $84.6 MILLION. SO THAT'S OPTION -- IT SHOULD SAY OPTION 4 AT THE TOP OF YOUR SLIDE. SO WE SAID OKAY WITH THOSE LESSER AMOUNTS THAT WE HAVE TO PAY FOR THERE, CAN WE AFFORD TO DO A1 AND A2? WE ALSO HAD A LONG DISCUSSION ABOUT ONLY DOING A1.
AND WE SAID REALLY THAT MOVED AWAY FROM OUR GOAL OF HAVING PARALLEL NORTH SOUTH ROADS. SO, PARALLEL NORTH SOUTH 1 TO RUSSELL ROAD. SO, WHEN YOU LOOK DOWN AT THE BOTTOM LINE IT'S $129.8 MILLION. I CAN ASSURE YOU THOSE WERE HOW THE NUMBERS CAME OUT. WASN'T LIKE WE WERE TRYING
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TO MAKE THE NUMBER OR, YOU KNOW, WE HAD A FAT PENCIL AND IT GOT TO $130 MILLION. THAT'S WHAT IT CAME OUT AFTER ALL THESE ITERATIONS OF US TAKING A LOOK AT IT. NOW, WHEN WE TALKED TO SUSAN AND I SEE GEORGE HERE, WE TALKED TO HIM, THERE HAS TO ALSO BE A COMMITMENT FROM THIS AREA.SO WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO COMPLETE THE CONNECTION FROM THE FIRST COAST EXPRESSWAY TO HIGHWAY 17. AND THAT NECKLACE, THE ORANGE NECKLACE THAT'S THERE, IS ON THE LOWER PART OF THE SLIDE AND ON YOUR HANDOUTS OF WHAT THAT TOTAL COSTS WOULD BE. IT WOULD BE $12.8 MILLION AND THAT INCLUDES THE FIBER ALSO THERE. LITTLE NOTE AT THE BOTTOM. SO, THERE'S RIGHT-OF-WAY ACQUISITION COSTS THAT WOULD BE RECOGNIZED AS IMPACT FEE CREDITS. THE BOTTOM LINE ON THIS, IT'S ABOUT $2.6 MILLION IN IMPACT FEE CREDITS THAT WOULD BE UP FOR DISCUSSION BUT THAT WOULD BE NORMALLY OBTAINED IF THIS WAS TO BE A NORMAL DEVELOPMENT OR NORMAL ROADWAY. THAT IS THERE. SO, LET'S GO TO THE SLIDE TROY IF YOU DON'T MIND AND IF WE CAN ZOOM IN ON IT. SO WHAT I'VE DONE IS I TRIED TO JUST VERBALLY EXPLAIN THE PICTURE AND HAVE THE NUMBERS WITH IT. THE NUMBERS THAT ARE ON YOUR SLIDES MATCH WHAT'S UP ON THE BOARD. AND IF YOU LOOK APT IT AND JUST GOING THROUGH. A1 GETS YOU FROM HIGHWAY 17 ALL THE WAY TO NORTH-SOUTH 1. THEN A2 TAKES YOU STRAIGHT UP NORTH FROM THERE. THE ORANGE NECKLACE TAKES YOU TO THE FIRST COAST EXPRESSWAY. AND BASICALLY WHAT YOU HAVE HERE COMING THROUGH, YOU HAVE PARALLEL ROADS NORTH AND SOUTH AND EAST AND WEST TO TAKE CARE OF IT. I HAVE ALL THE OPTIONS ON THE SLIDE. AND ON YOUR HANDOUT SO THAT WE CAN GET INTO A DISCUSSION IF YOU'D LIKE. BUT I ALSO ASK THE STAFF TO PUT IN THE OTHER PROJECTS THAT ARE ON THERE. SO, IF YOU TAKE A LOOK TO THE NORTHERN PART FOR THE 220, IT'S IN YELLOW FOR THE KEY MEANS THAT IT IS A COUNTY FUNDED PROJECT. THAT'S THE $4 MILLION ALONG THAT AREA. ALL OF THOSE AREAS WERE KNIGHT BOXX IS IT'S YELLOW. ALSO IN BLUE. I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE KNEW WHAT PROJECTS WERE OUT THERE THAT WERE UP AND COMING THAT WERE FUNDED. THE DASH LINED ONES BELOW ARE NOT FUNDED. I WANTED TO PUT THAT UP THERE -- SUSAN WAS VERY SPECIFIC THIS THE LAKE ASBURY AREA. WHEN YOU TAKE A LOOK AT TRAFFIC FLOW THERE'S A REGIONAL IMPACT. SO, THIS REGIONAL IMPACT YOU CAN SEE DOWN TO THE SOUTH, THAT'S THE BLUE DASHED LIKES THAT ARE THERE -- LINES THAT ARE THERE. THE ONE SOUTH OF 16 IS FOR GOVERNOR'S PARK. AND THAT LOOP THAT GOES THROUGH THERE. THEN THE CONNECTION THAT GETS YOU BACK UP TO 315 AS YOU GO ACROSS HIGHWAY 16 AND JUST TO THE EAST OF THE FAIRGROUNDS IT CONNECTS THOSE ROADWAY SYSTEMS CONTINUING THAT NORTH-SOUTH FLOW AND DOWN TO A MAJOR ARTERY OF 16. SO THAT WAS I HOPE NOT TOO FAST AND NOT TOO CONFUSING. AGAIN, WE WENT FROM SIX PROJECTS TO FIVE. WE MODIFIED SOME OF THE PROJECTS IN ORDER TO TAKE THOSE SAVINGS AND APPLY THEM TO A1 AND A2 IN THIS. WE'VE TALKED TO THE REINHOLD CORPORATION AND SUSAN ABOUT THE ORANGE NECKLACE. THERE WOULD HAVE TO BE SOME SORT OF COMMITMENT THERE. BECAUSE WITHOUT HAVING THAT CONNECTION TO THE FIRST COAST EXPRESSWAY AND TO CONTINUE ON ON THE ROAD, ON THE 218 EXTENSION, YOU HAVE LOST YOUR PARALLEL EAST-WEST ROAD SO THAT IS ALSO CRITICAL IN KEY. AND THE TIMING OF IT, RIGHT. WE'VE HAD THE BONDING PROJECT. IT MUST FINISH WITHIN FIVE YEARS. AND AS WE HAVE TAKEN A LOOK AT AND THAT FLOWED OUT THAT ON OUR GANT CHARTS WE ALSO ASK THE DRI TO FINISH THAT PROJECT AT THE APPROPRIATE TIME SO THAT IT ALL CONNECTS TOGETHER AND OPENS UP AT THE SAME TIME. THERE ARE OPTIONS I WILL NOTE IN THERE. I DON'T ALWAYS JUST HAVE A PLAN A. WE GOT A COUPLE OF PLAN B AND A C THAT'S OUT THERE THAT SHOULD WE NEED TO LOOK AT THAT, WE CAN ALSO WRITE WITHIN THE CONTRACT WITH THE DRI SOME LANGUAGE IN THERE THAT THEY WOULD BASICALLY LOSE SOME MONEYS, I.E., THOSE MONEYS IN THERE FOR IMPACT FEE CREDIT SHOULD THEY NOT BUILD THE ORANGE NECKLACE ROAD. BUT, AGAIN, THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WE CAN GET SPECIFIC WITH THEM TO TALK ABOUT BUT IT'S KEY AND CRITICAL THAT ALL THOSE ROADS ARE CONNECTED.
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SO, I'M STANDING BY FOR ANY QUESTIONS. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: DO YOU
HAVE A HEADACHE YET? >> SPEAKER: NO I NEED A GLASS OF WATER THOUGH.
>> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: FOR THE FOLKS THAT LIVE ON SAND RIDGE BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF INDIVIDUALS AS WELL AS THE BIG DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE COMING IN, WHAT RED LIGHTS DO YOU HAVE
PLANNED? >> SPEAKER: YES, MA'AM. THERE WOULD FIRST BE A SIGNAL WHERE NORTH-SOUTH 1 CONNECTS INTO SAND RIDGE. AND THEN WHEN THE NORTH-SOUTH 2 IS BUILT THERE WILL BE A SIGNAL THERE ALSO. SO, BASICALLY ON SAND RIDGE AND YOU WOULD ALSO HAVE ONE AT 209.
SO, YOU WOULD GO FROM THE ONE SIGNAL THAT WE HAVE ON SAND RIDGE TO A TOTAL OF FOUR.
>> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: SO RIGHT NOW THE WAY SAND RIDGE IS DESIGNED, IF YOU WANT TO TURN RIGHT WHEN YOU COME OUT IT'S ONLY ONE CAR AT A TIME. WHICH EVEN IF YOU HAVE A RED LIGHT
THAT'S NOT MUCH CAPACITY. >> YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT AT THE INTRSECTION OF SAND RIDGE AND 209? WE WOULD REDO THAT INTERSECTION AND THERE WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, SOME DEDICATED TURN LANES. SO THAT INTERSECTION WOULD BE PART OF THE SAND RIDGE, YOU KNOW, THREE LANES SO WE'D MAKE SURE THAT WE HAD ONE THE TURNING MOVEMENTS. THERE WOULD BE A TRAFFIC LIGHT. THEN ALSO THE THROUGH MOVEMENT SO YOU WOULDN'T BACK TRAFFIC UP. RIGHT NOW SOMEBODY WANTS TO TURN LEFT ON TO SAND RIDGE FROM 209 AND YOU BACK UP, YOU KNOW, TRAFFIC FOR A MILE-AND-A-HALF.
>> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: SO YOU WOULD PUT A TURN LANE IN SO THE OTHER TRAFFIC AU COULD KEEP
GOING? THAT'S GOING TO BE HAVE TO BE A LONG STACKING TURN LANE >> YES, MA'AM IT WILL. WHAT THE TRIPLE R WILL DO IS WE'LL LOOK AT THE INTERSECTIONS LIKE IF 209B AND WATKINS ROAD AND WE'LL BE PUTTING IN TURN LANES THERE BECAUSE THOSE ARE CHOKE POINTS FOR PEOPLE COMING OUT OR WANTING TO TURN LEFT INTO IT BACKS UP TRAFFIC BEHIND THEM. SO, TRIPLE R IS MORE THAN JUST THE TWO LANES AND THE WIDENING STRIPS. IT WILL LOOK AT THE OPERATIONAL CAPABILITIES OF THOSE
INTERSECTIONS ALSO. >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: SO SOUNDS LIKE IT WILL BE THREE LANES IN A LOT OF AREAS ALONG THE ROAD EVEN THOUGH IT'S DESIGNED AS A TWO LANE ROAD.
>> THERE WILL BE THREE LANES AT LEAST AT THE INTERSECTIONS. NOT ALL THE DRIVEWAYS ALL GOING DOWN, NOT AT THE INDIVIDUAL DRIVEWAYS BUT AT THE STREETS THAT INTERSECT. I KNOW 209B AND WATKINS BECAUSE THERE ARE QUITE A FEW HOUSES IN BOTH OF THOSE AREAS. SO WE MAKE SURE YOU HAD A DEDICATED RIGHT TURN LANE SO YOU CAN SLOW DOWN AND TURN OFF AND COMING FROM THE OTHER
DIRECTION YOU WOULD HAVE A DEDICATED LEFT TURN LANE. >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: OKAY.
>> COMM >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: UNLESS WE PUT IN A ROUNDABOUT.
>> NOT ON A TRIPLE R [LAUGHTER] >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: DALE DON'T LEAVE. YOU ARE THE ROAD MAN. I'M NOT. NONE OF US. TELL US AS CLEAR AS YOU CAN WHAT YOU THINK OF THIS WHOLE THING. THE GOOD, THE BAD AND THE UGLY, OKAY. I MEAN, JUST TELL IT LIKE IT IS
OKAY. >> SPEAKER: WHAT SUSAN HAS SAID THE TWO TWO LANE ROADS WILL CARRY THE TRAFFIC OF THE FOUR LANE ROADS. WILL THE OPERATIONAL REQUIREMENTS BE EXACTLY THE SAME. THERE'S GOOD AND BAD WITH BOTH. IT WILL GIVE YOU ANOTHER WAY OUT. IT WILL DISTRIBUTE TRAFFIC A LITTLE BETTER. YOU KNOW, AT LEAST FOR ME AND WHAT I'VE SEEN WHEN WE'VE LOOKED AT THE VOLUMES OVER THE CAPACITY IN THE FUTURE THEY'LL BE A LITTLE LESS ON 209 THAN IT WOULD BE IF WE BUILT A FOUR LANE ROAD BUT THEN WE WOULDN'T HAVE THOSE OPTIONAL OUTLETS COME OVERLYING THE OTHER WAY. SO, THERE'S TRULY GIVE AND TAKE. I THINK EITHER PLAN IS GOOD. YOU KNOW, IT DOES, IT PROVIDES YOU ANOTHER WAY OUT. THAT'S PROBABLY THE BEST THING ABOUT SUSAN'S PLAN.
THE PARALLEL ROADS, IF SOMETHING HAPPENS ON 209, YOU CAN NOW GO TO NORTH-SOUTH 1 AND COME OUT.
SOMETHING HAPPEN ODDS 209 IF THE ROAD IS BLOCKED THEN YOU ARE TURNING PEOPLE IN THE OTHER
DIRECTION. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: THAT WAS CLOSE
[LAUGHTER] >> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: CAN WE JUST DO THE PRESENTATION AGAIN?
[LAUGHTER] TAKE IT FROM THE TOP. >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: YOU HAVE AFTER SCHOOL WORK YOU HAVE TO DO. YOU CAN COME BACK TOMORROW
[LAUGHTER] >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: I'M NOT SURE SITTING AROUND THIS TABLE TONIGHT ASKING QUESTIONS AND GOING BACK AND FORTH WITH ANSWERS IS GOING TO GET US WHERE WE NEED TO BE. HOWEVER, HOWEVER, IT'S CERTAINLY A REQUIREMENT, BUT I DON'T -- I'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM A FEW OF THESE PEOPLE OUT HERE BEFORE WE LEAVE TONIGHT ON THIS PROJECT TO GIVE US MAYBE SOME DIRECTION OF THINGS WE HADN'T THOUGHT ABOUT. BUT IT'S OBVIOUS IF WE'RE GOING TO MOVE
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ON THIS THING BY NEXT MEETING, WE GOT TO HAVE SOME CLOSED DOOR MEETINGS SOMEWHERE ON SOMETHING.AND I'M NOT SURE HOW WE GET THERE BUT I WOULD DEPEND ON THIS GENTLEMAN STANDING IN FRONT OF US TO BE AN INTEGRAL TART PART OF THAT BECAUSE HE IS A ROAD MAN. WE CAN USE COMMONSENSE AND LOGIC BUT HE IS BETTER IN DETAILS THAT WE ARE. SO, I SAID THAT TO SAY THIS. I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY WHAT WE NEED TO GO FROM HERE TONIGHT. BUT I'M OPEN FOR SUGGESTIONS.
>> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: I'D LIKE TO SEE A WORKSHOP. I THINK WE NEED TO SIT DOWN AND TALK ABOUT THIS. IS THIS THE PLAN NOW? I MEAN, AGAIN I WALK IN HERE AND I GET ANOTHER SPREADSHEET. WHEN ARE WE GOING TO LOCK THIS UP AND SAY THIS IS WHAT WE'RE CONSIDERING?
>> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: THAT'S THE WHOLE PROBLEM WE'RE STILL CONSIDERING.
>> FROM A TIMING STANDPOINT YOU DON'T HAVE MUCH TIME. A WORKSHOP WOULD BE YOUR AVAILABILITY. FROM THE BONDING STANDPOINT IF WE'RE GOING STAY ON SCHEDULE THEY'RE BRINGING THE FINAL RESOLUTION TO YOU ON FEBRUARY 25TH. BUT WE CAN'T WAIT UNTIL THE 25TH TO LOCK IN THE IDENTIFICATION OF
THE PROJECTS. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: HOW MUCH TIME DO WE HAVE?
>> WELL YOU HAVE ONE OTHER MEETING BEFORE THEN. YOUR FEBRUARY MEETING.
>> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: WE COULD DO A WORKSHOP AFTER THE FINANCE AND AUDIT COMMITTEE
MEETING. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: DALE? >> SPEAKER: WHY YES, SIR.
>> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE TO COME UP WITH A BETTER ANSWER THAN GOOD AND BAD.
>> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS:S SOUNDS LIKE A BIG ROAD OR TWO SMALL ROADS
>> THERE'S ADVANTAGES TO BOTH OF THEM. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: LET ME ASK A DUMB QUESTION. THE APF ROADS WILL EVENTUALLY BE BUILT BY THE DEVELOPERS IS THAT TRUE?
>> THAT'S CORRECT. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: IF THE APF ROADS ARE GOING TO BE BUILT THESE ROADS THAT ARE WE'VE IDENTIFIED AS NOT HAVING TO BE BUILT, WHY DON'T WE JUST FORGO
THAT UNTIL THE APF ROADS ARE IN? >> COMMISSIONER, THERE ARE MANY OPTIONS THAT YOU COULD DO WITH IT. IT'S WHAT THE PRIORITY WOULD BE. IF YOU WANT TO WAIT UNTIL THOSE ROADS GET BUILT AND YOU MAY HAVE SOME DEADEND ROADS FOR A WHILE, I MEAN, IN THIS CASE, HERE WE HAVE $130 MILLION TO SMARTLY AND EFFICIENTLY SPEND THE MONEY IN WHAT BENEFITS THE COMMUNITY AT BEST. AND THAT'S
WHAT I TRIED TO DO WITH THE STAFF. >> COMMISSIONER: BOLE --
>> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: I KNOW YOU GUYS HAVE WORKED HARD. BUT SEEMS TO ME WE'RE SPENDING A THE OF CLAY COUNTY'S MONEY JUST ON LAKE ASBURY. I MEAN, THE PEOPLE I WORK FOR, THEY GOT ROADS TOO THAT DON'T WORK. I THINK I HAVE SOME HEARTBURN WITH THAT. UNDER THE OLD PLAN WHEN WE HAD THE ROADS IDENTIFIED, THE ORIGINAL PLAN, THEY WERE BASED ON RUNNING CRITICAL AND DEFICIENT. IN OTHER WORDS WE CAN'T GET ANYMORE TRAFFIC THROUGH THERE. IT MAKES SENSE TO FIX THOSE FIRST. THE SECOND PART IS IF THE APF NETWORK IS GOING TO BE PUT IN ANYWAY, WHY SHOULD WE SPEND OUR RARE CAPITAL DOLLARS BUILDING THAT APF ROAD AS OPPOSED TO WAITING FOR IT TO GET DONE? AND THEN IF WE GO AHEAD WITH PLAN A WHICH WAS THE ORIGINAL THING AND BUILD THE ROADS THAT ARE CRITICAL, EVENTUALLY THE APF ROADS WILL CATCH UP AND AS THOSE ROADS GROW OUT THE APF ROADS WILL COME IN. IF THE ANALYSIS IS CORRECT BY TINDALE WE SHOULDN'T HAVE TO TOUCH THOSE AGAIN FOR FOREVER. THAT'S WHERE, YOU KNOW, I'M JUST SCRATCHING MY HEAD. WHEN I TALKED TO SUSAN AND GEORGE HERE, THEY WERE SAYING THAT WELL THE IMPACT FEES WILL READVERSE US LATER FOR THE CAPITAL WE PUT UP FRONT. WELL WE HAVEN'T TAKEN A NICKEL IN IMPACT FEES IN OUR BUDGET. I MEAN, WHERE ARE THOSE IMPACT FEES? WE NEVER SEE THEM. THIS IS VAPOR WARE AS FAR AS I AM CONCERNED.
AND, YOU KNOW, I HAVE A REAL HARD TIME WRESTLING WITH WHAT'S IN THIS FOR THE COUNTY TO BUILD THE APF ROADS NOW. THERE'S NOBODY LIVING THERE TO START WITH. I MEAN, I KNOW WE HAVE TO PLAN FOR THE FUTURE BUT I'VE GOT PLENTY OF PROBLEMS EVERYWHERE ELSE IN THE COUNTY THAT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED RIGHT NOW. REAL PROBLEMS YOU KNOW. AND I JUST HAVE A HARD TIME SPENDING ALL OF THIS MONEY ON ROADS WHERE NOBODY IS GOING TO USE THEM UNTIL WE BUILD OUT THE COMMUNITY. I MEAN,
THAT'S ANOTHER ISSUE. AND THAT'S WHAT I HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THAT. >> ONE THING. THE ROADS THAT ARE BUILT, THERE'S NOBODY LIVING THERE NOW, THEY WILL BECOME THE BYPASS FOR THE SAFETY VALVES. OR IF YOU LOOK AT IT FROM A HYDRAULIC STANDPOINT YOU CAN ADD A SINGLE CONDUIT OR RUN PARALLEL
PIPES AND SERIES AND THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT THIS IS. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: BUT I KNOW I'VE GOT A ROAD NETWORK NOW THAT SERVES THE WHOLE COUNTY AS OPPOSED TO PUTTING IN ADDITIONAL
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ROADS WHICH WILL BE BUILT ANYWAY AT DEVELOPER'S EXPENSE. >> CORRECT.
>> COMMISSIO. >> IT DEPENDS ON WHAT YOU MEAN BY AT THE DEVELOPER'S EXPENSE.
>> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: IT'S IMPACT FEES THAT WE DON'T GET ANYWAY.
>> RIGHT. I THINK SUSAN WOULD EVEN CONFIRM THAT THESE AREN'T GOING TO HAPPEN FOR 20-PLUS
YEARS. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: AND WITH THE TRACK RECORD OF SELLING THESE HOMES, I MEAN, I SAT THROUGH THIS AT THE SCHOOL BOARD TEN YEARS AGO WHEN WE WERE ABOUT READY TO EXPLODE AND BLAH, BLAH, BLAH AND IT JUST DIDN'T HAPPEN. I SUSPECT NOW THAT THE EXPRESSWAY IS COMING IN, IT'S GOING TO BE MORE REAL THAN EVER. HOWEVER, I HAVE A HARD TIME -- THE TIME VALUE OF MONEY HAS SOMETHING TO DO WITH ALL THIS STUFF. WE'RE GOING SPEND OUR RARE CAPITAL DOLLARS UP FRONT NOW AND HOPEFULLY COLLECT LATER. IT JUST DOESN'T FEEL GOOD TO ME.
>> IF I MIGHT. THE PLAN THE COUNTY WITHOUT ANY OF THIS INPUT WOULD WIDEN 209 AND SAND RIDGE.
SO, YOU WOULD SPEND $70 MILLION ON THOSE IMPROVEMENTS. AND IF YOU MAKE THOSE IMPROVEMENTS YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. THE APF ROADS WOULD GET BUILT BY THE DEVELOPMENT AS IT OCCURS. BUT WHAT THAT MEANS IS WHEN A 700-UNIT SUBDIVISION WHICH IS $4 MILLION IN IMPACT FEES.
INSTEAD OF WRITING THOSE CHECKS TO YOU, THEY WILL INVEST IN THE APF ROADS. SO, YOU ARE RIGHT, YOUR IMPACT FEE REVENUE IN THE FUTURE WILL CONTINUE TO BE ALL BUT ZERO. BECAUSE THE DEVELOPMENT IS PROJECTED TO BE PRIMARILY IN LAKE ASBURY WHICH IS WHY WE'RE MAKING THOSE IMPROVEMENTS. YOU WILL SPEND YOUR BOND MONEY AND YOU WILL MAKE YOUR BOND PAYMENTS AND INSTEAD OF SEEING IMPACT FEE REVENUE THE DEVELOPMENT AS IT OCCURS WILL INVEST IN THE APF ROADS. IF YOU BUILD THE APF ROADS THERE IS NO INVESTMENT BY THOSE DEVELOPERS. I MEAN, THAT IS THE ABSOLUTE TRUTH. SO, INSTEAD OF BUILDING PAVEMENT THEY'RE GOING TO WRITE YOU A CHECK. SO THAT PROJECTION FOR THE POPULATION THIS IS BASED ON IS AROUND $100 MILLION IN
RESIDENTIAL IMPACT FEES. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: I HAVEN'T SEEN A NICKEL YET FROM IMPACT FEES. IF YOU ARE GOING TO WRITE ME A CHECK, THERE'S NO CHECKS COMING IN NOW. WHAT HAPPENS IF THERE'S A DOWNTURN IN THE ECONOMY AND WE SUSPEND IMPACT FEES AGAIN? WHAT HAPPENS WITH OUR NEW MOBILITY FEE IF WE COME UP WITH A DIFFERENT SCHEME TO DO THINGS? I'M JUST SUGGESTING THAT A BIRD IN THE HAND IS WORTH TWO BUSHES. WE NEED TO FOCUS ON THE ROADS DEFICIENT TODAY AND THE IMPACT -- APF ROADS WILL DEVELOP OUT AS THE POPULATION COMES IN TO AND IT WILL BE PAID FOR BY THE DEVELOPMENT NOT THE REST OF THE COUNTY RIGHT NOW WHO HAS OTHER ISSUES THAT THEY
NEED. >> WELL THE REST OF THE COUNTY RIGHT NOW WOULD MAKE YOUR SAND RIDGE AND 209 IMPROVEMENTS. BECAUSE YOU ARE GOING TO DO AND BO FOR THOSE. SO THAT INVESTMENT WILL BE MADE NOW THEN THERE WILL BE NO PAYBACK. YOU ARE RIGHT, IF THERE'S NO IMPACT FEE MONEY YOU'LL SPEND $70 MILLION ON 209 AND SAND RIDGE AND ZERO IMPACT FEES. BUT IF THERE'S ONE HOUSE BUILD, THE IMPACT FEE GOES IN YOUR POCKET NOT INTO PAVEMENT. IF THERE'S
TWO HOUSES BUILT IT GOES IN YOUR POCKET. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: AND WHEN
DOES THAT HAPPEN? HOW MANY YEARS FROM NOW? >> I THINK ED CAN TELL YOU WE SEW A DEVELOPMENT ON 209 IN SAND RIDGE WITH 999 UNITS UNDER CONSTRUCTION. THE DAIRY WHICH I REPRESENT 730 UNITS THAT PROPERTY IS SOLD AND WILL BE UNDER CONSTRUCTION SHORTLY.
>> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: BUT WE'VE GOT TO SELL THOSE HOUSES BEFORE >> ABSOLUTELY. BUT THE PEOPLE WHO ARE MAKING THE MULTI-MILLION DOLLAR INVESTMENTS HAVE BOUGHT THOSE PROPERTIES AND ARE GOING TO START BUILDING ROADS. SO THEY BELIEVE THERE'S A MARKET THERE. SO, I WOULD JUST OFFER THAT ANY DEVELOPMENT THAT PAYS YOU IMPACT FEES IS MORE THAN NO IMPACT FEES.
>> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: BUT STILL SOME ASSOCIATED RISK WITH THE DEVELOPMENT AND THE SALE OF THE PROPERTY. AND I DON'T FEEL THAT THE COUNTY SHOULD ASSUME THAT RISK. I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE REALLY TALKING ABOUT HERE. I MEAN, IF THOSE PLACES DON'T SELL AND WE SPEND OUR BOND MONEY ON THOSE ROADS AND NOBODY DRIVES ON THEM FOR TEN YEARS, WHAT DO WE HAVE? I MEAN, THAT IS REALLY NOT A GOOD INVESTMENT FOR US YOU KNOW. AND I UNDERSTAND YOUR POSITION. I UNDERSTAND WHY YOU ARE TRYING TO DO THIS. IT IS A GREAT IDEA. IF I WAS THE PROPERTY OWNER I'D BE PITCHING THE SAME THING. BUT I'M THE COUNTY. AND I'M LOOKING AT WHAT I GOT IN MY HAND TODAY AND BUILDING A LOT OF FUTURE INFRASTRUCTURE WHERE WE HAVE SO MANY NEEDS, I'M NOT SURE THAT
MAKES SENSE TO ME. THAT'S ALL. >> I WANT TO ADD ONE THING. THE APF ROAD THE NORTH-SOUTH. BUT PUT THAT ONE ASIDE AND LOOK AT THE 315 HOWEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT. THE 315 SLASH 218 EXTENSION.
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FROM STAFF'S STANDPOINT WHEN WE LOOKED AT THAT ROAD WHAT WE REALLY FELT AND IT CAME FROM SUSAN'S WORK IS THAT THAT IS SOMETHING THERE IS NO CONNECTION FROM 17 TO THE FIRST COAST EXPRESSWAY. SO WE FELT THAT THAT WOULD BE REALLY GOOD MONEY SPENT TO TAKE FROM THE 209, YOU KNOW, TO DOWN-SIZE 209 FROM FOUR LANES WHETHER YOU DO IT TO THREE LANES OR THE TRIPLE R BUT TO BE ABLE TO USE THAT MONEY EFFECTIVELY TO CONNECT 17 ACROSS TO THE FIRST COAST EXPRESSWAY SINCE WE HAVE THAT INTERCHANGE THERE AND WE'RE CONTRIBUTING THE $2 MILLION FOR THE OTHER SIDE.>> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: THAT WILL HAPPEN AT SOME POINT. WE NEED TO DO THAT. THERE'S NO QUESTION ABOUT IT. BUT, YOU KNOW, LIKE I'MSYING, I JUST -- THIS DOESN'T QUITE FEEL RIGHT YET.
>> SO A COUPLE THINGS. I KNOW MR. CHAIRMAN YOU MENTIONED. BY NO MEANS I WASN'T EXPECTING A VOTE. THIS IS JUST A PRESENTATION. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE PEOPLE UNDERSTOOD, THE PUBLIC UNDERSTOOD WHERE WE ARE COMING FROM. AND YOU REALLY HAVE A LOT OF OPTIONS. I THINK COURTNEY JUST ALLUDED TO IT. IF YOU TAKE A2 OFF THE CHART THAT FREES UP $17.7 MILLION. YOU CAN TAKE THAT 17.7 AND APPLY IT TO THE ORANGE NECKLACE RIGHT. BUT OVERALL LIKE THE GOAL SHOULD BE THE FLOW OF TRAFFIC. SO, I GOT TO STAND UP TO SHOW YOU. THE FLOW OF TRAFFIC, IF YOU DON'T -- RIGHT NOW THE WAY THE STUDY IS AND ED HELP ME OUT WITH THIS TOO. THE FLOW OF TRAFFIC SHOWS THAT -- [LAUGHTER] WE'RE SUPPOSED TO FOUR LANE RUSSELL ROAD. SO, IF YOU DON'T FOUR LANE IT AND LET'S SAY YOU THREE LANE IT. SO, YOU GO FROM 20 SOMETHING THOUSAND TO 18,000 AND THE CAPACITY. AGAIN WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THESE NUMBERS AND ARE THROWING THEM OUT HERE. SO, DOESN'T DECREASE THAT CAPACITY OF THE PIKE. SO, IF YOU JUST X OUT A2 YOU STILL GOT THIS FLOW GOING THROUGH THERE. YOU GOT TO ADDRESS THAT FLOW IN SOME WAY.
SO WE TRIED TO MINIMIZE, YOU KNOW, THAT IMPACT TO RUSSELL ROAD. REALLY GEOGRAPHICALLY IT IS A VERY CONSTRAINED AREA. YOU GOT THE RAILROAD TRACK. THERE'S NO WAY FOR THE EMERGENCY VEHICLES TO GET IN AND OUT OR GET INTO THIS THIS AREA QUICKLY. IF YOU HAVE AN ALTERNATE ROUTE YOU COULD. JUST X A2 NOW YOU HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO GO ALL THE WAY ACROSS. WE KNOW THIS AREA RIGHT HERE IS PROBABLY JUST GOING TO EXPLODE. IF YOU DON'T HAVE THIS ROAD IN HERE, IT'S NOT WISE. SOMETHING NEEDS TO HAPPEN IN HERE. SO, WHEN YOU DO COMPLETE THIS, SO YOU'VE GOT YOUR TWO EAST-WEST PARALLEL ROADS IT'S HANDLING THE TRAFFIC BUT, UNFORTUNATELY, YOU COME TO A DEAD END RIGHT HERE. YOU EITHER GO LEFT OR GO RIGHT. SO, WEN YOU COME DOWN THIS WAY THERE'S GOING TO BE THAT FLOW OF TRAFFIC THAT YOU NEED TO TAKE CARE OF WITH ANOTHER PARALLEL ROAD. SO, WHEN WE BUILT IT WE KIND OF WENT BACK AND FORTH A LOT OF TIMES. OKAY LET'S NOT PUT NORTH-SOUTH 1 IN. LET'S JUST NOT PUT IT IN THERE. AND WE ALWAYS CAME TO THE POINT WHERE REALLY IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. AND WE FELT LIKE COST SHARING THIS WITH THE DRI, ASKING THEM TO PUT IN THE ORANGE NECKLACE, WAS A LOT BETTER THAN PUTTING IN NORTH-SOUTH 1. BECAUSE I'M WITH YOU, COMMISSIONER, TO ME IT'S MONOPOLY MONEY. IT'S SOMETHING THAT IN THE FUTURE YOU ARE GOING TO GET. IT'S SOME NUMBER THAT'S OUT THERE IN THIS IMPACT FEE. I'M LIKE I CAN'T OPERATE THAT WAY. I'VE GOT TO HAVE THE DOLLARS NOW. AND IF I HAVE THE DOLLARS NOW, I AM ADDRESSING CRITICAL ROADS WITHIN THE COUNTY. THOSE THAT ARE RED. THERE'S THREE OF THEM HERE.
THAT'S WHY WE'RE ADDRESSING THIS AIR WHY. THAT'S WHY THE FOCUS IS IN ON THIS. WHEN SUSAN CAME TO US WITH THE PROPOSAL IT WAS LIKE INSTEAD OF SPENDING $31.6 MILLION, THAT WAS THE NUMBER 1 ROAD, THE MOST EXPENSIVE ROAD THAT WAS IN THERE, SHE SAID, I GOT A DIFFERENT PLAN FOR YOU. WHY DON'T YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THIS. AND THAT'S WHAT WE'VE BEEN TAKING A LOOK AT FOR IT. BY ALL MEANS I THINK A LOT OF TIMES YOU EITHER ADDRESSING IT FOR TRAFFIC AND SAFETY OR YOU ARE ADDRESSING IT TO GET PEOPLE TO AND FROM HOME. AND NEW DEVELOPMENT. I WANT TO STRESS THAT. WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS WHAT CURRENTLY IS HAPPENING RIGHT NOW WITHIN THAT AREA AND THAT'S WHY THOSE ARE RED. SO, THERE'S A LOT. THINK ABOUT IT THERE'S PROBABLY THIRD AND FOURTH ORDER OF AFFECTS THAT ARE SO COMPLICATED WE COULDN'T EVEN COME UP WITH THEM RIGHT NOW. BUT I WOULD TELL YOU THIS WOULD DRIVE ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY WITHIN THAT EXCHANGE THAT'S THERE. AND THE MOST IMPORTANT THING THAT WOULD HAPPEN, IT'S GOING TO ALLOW EMERGENCY VEHICLES TO GET IN AND OUT OF THIS AREA AND HAVE ALTERNATE ROUTES. IF YOU DIDN'T HAVE NORTH-SOUTH 1 THERE'S ONLY ONE WII YOU COULD GO. IF YOU BLOCK OFF RUSSELL ROAD AND
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NOTHING HAPPENS YOU ARE TURNING PEOPLE AROUND. THEY CAN'T GET BACK DOWN TO THE SOUTH UNTILTHEY GO AROUND ANOTHER WAY. >> AND IF YOU BUILD IT, THEN THEY HAVE TO PAY AN IMPACT FEE.
>> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: I HAVE A QUESTION. SO ON THAT NORTH-SOUTH ROAD, THERE'S A DEVELOPMENT THAT HAVE NOT OCCURRED YET. WHEN THEY COME IN AND DO THEIR SITE PLAN OR DEVELOP THE DRI OR WHATEVER, CAN WE REQUIRE THAT THEIR MAIN ENTRANCE BE ALONG THAT NEW ROAD
INSTEAD OF ON SAND RIDGE? >> YES, MA'AM. >> WELL ON THE NORTH-SOUTH -- I MEAN, OTHER THAN -- THE ONLY ONE THAT WOULD BE ON SAND RIDGE WOULD BE AVEN LEAH IS THAT WHAT IT'S CALLED? ADVENTUREA. BECAUSE THE OTHERS WHICH IS PART OF THE DRI AND REINHOLD THEY WOULD HAVE TO BE ON THE NORTH-SOUTH BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE ANY ACCESS ON SAND RIDGE.
>> ADAM LEE HOMES TODAY ONLY HAS ONE ACCESS POINT FOR 730 HOMES. IF NORTH-SOUTH 1 IS CONSTRUCTED IT WILL HAVE AN ACCESS ON SAND RIDGE AND NORTH-SOUTH 1. NOW PEOPLE SEEKING TO GO SOUTH DON'T HAVE TO GO SAND RIDGE TO 209. THEY'LL HAVE DIRECT ACCESS TO NORTH-SOUTH 1 TO GO DIRECTLY SOUTH AND EAST OR WEST TO THE EXPRESSWAY OR 17. SO, YOU CREATE ALTERNATE ROUTES FOR EVERY DEVELOPMENT. BECAUSE NONE OF THEM ARE BUILT. THE COMMITMENT FOR THAT INFRASTRUCTURE WILL FORCE -- THE COUNTY WILL REQUIRE AND THE MASTER PLAN REQUIRES MULTIPLE
POINTS OF ACCESS. >> BUT YOU AGREE THAT'S THE ONLY OTHER DEVELOPMENT THAT HAS
ACCESS ON SAND RIDGE? >> TODAY. >> BUT THERE WOULDN'T BE ANY
OTHER ALONG THAT NORTH-SOUTH THAT WOULD HAVE ACCESS. >> CORRECT. THEY WOULD ONLY HAVE ACCESS ON NORTH-SOUTH 1. INSTEAD OF HAVING MULTIPLE MAJOR DRIVEWAYS ON SAND RIDGE WOULD HAVE DRIVEWAYS ON NORTH-SOUTH 1. AND THAT WOULD MEAN THAT YOU WOULD DIVERT THAT TRAFFIC AND IT WOULD NEVER HIT THE INTERSECTION OF SAND RIDGE AND 209 BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE ACCESS AT THAT POINT. WE HONESTLY BELIEVE A LOT OF THE EXISTING CONGESTION ON SAND RIDGE AND 209 ISN'T COMING FROM LAKE ASBURY IT'S COMING FROM THE MIDDLEBURG AREA. LITERALLY, I MEAN, I SAW THE LINE OF TRAFFIC GOING PAST THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL IN THE MORNING. IT'S NORTHBOUND ON HENDLEY, RIGHT TURN, DOWN SAND RIDGE, RIGHT TURN ON 209. TRYING TO GET TO 17. THOSE TRIPS WHEN YOU BUILD THAT FULL CONNECTION ALL THE WAY ACROSS DON'T EVER GO TO SAND RIDGE. THEY JUST GO
STRAIGHT ACROSS THROUGH THE INTERCHANGE AND HIT 17. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: MAYBE WE OUGHT TO LOOK AT BUILDING THE ROAD ACROSS TO HOOK UP INTO THE EXPRESSWAY.
>> THAT'S THE MAJOR PART OF THIS PROPOSAL. >> THAT'S ALTERNATE 1.
>> YOU WOULD HAVE TO REPLACE THE ORANGE NECKLACE WITH THE FUNDS. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: MAYBE GET
THE TPO TO KICK IN ON THAT SINCE IT CONNECTS TO 17. >> COMMISSIONER CELLA: AND TO
THE FIRST COAST EXPRESSWAY. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: THAT WOULD BE AN IDEAL PROJECT TO
PITCH TO THEM. >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: PERHAPS WOULD BE MORE LIKELY TO SEE IMPACT FEES FROM THE COMMERCIAL, INDUSTRIAL AND RETAIL SPACE THAN WE WOULD BE FROM RESIDENTIAL. SO, WHEN THAT INTERCHANGE DEVELOPS, THAT'S A HONEY POT.
>> COMMISSIONER CELLA: AND THEY WON'T BE ABLE TO DEVELOP -- I MEAN, OF ALL THESE ALTERNATIVES THAT ONE TO ME IS THE KEY. WE HAVE A MAJOR THOROUGHFARE BUT IF NOBODY CAN GET TO IT WHAT GOOD DOES IT DO ANYBODY? AND WE WON'T BE ABLE TO DIRECT TRAFFIC THAT WAY. THEY'LL BE HEADED STILL TO 17. I KNOW PEOPLE HAVE THEIR DOUBTS THAT PEOPLE WILL BE USING THE EXPRESSWAY BECAUSE IT IS A TOLL ROAD BUT ONCE PEOPLE START USING IT THEY'LL CONTINUE TO USE IT AND WHATEVER DREAMS IN TERMS OF PERCENTAGE OF TRAFFIC OFF 17 AND THAT OTHER CORRIDOR OBVIOUSLY IS GOING TO IMPROVE THE SITUATION. SOME RESPECTSES THAT THE MOST IMPORTANT ROAD THAT I SEE. NORTH-SOUTH 1 IS GOING TO GET BUILT AT SOME POINT ACCORDING TO EVERYBODY. BUT, YOU KNOW, AT THIS POINT, I THINK CONNECTING THE FIRST COAST EXPRESSWAY -- I STILL HAVE A PROBLEM THAT, YOU KNOW, AND I WAS HOPING THAT WE'D COME TO A POINT IN THIS THAT WE'D ACTUALLY BE ABLE TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT GREEN SQUABBLE, BRIGHT LIME AT THE TOP COMING OUT OF CHESTWOOD OAKS. I THINKS THAT A MAJOR PROBLEM FOR OUR COMMUNITY THAT PEOPLE HAVE TO GO TO DUVAL COUNTY TO GET ON.
>> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: I AGREE WITH THAT. >> COMMISSIONER CELLA: I'M TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY DIVERTING MONEYS THAT ARE AFFECTING PEOPLE IN MY DISTRICT BUT I THINK AS YOU LOOK AT WHAT WE DESPERATELY NEED AGAIN WE DON'T HAVE A WAY FOR
THOSE PEOPLE TO GET TO THE FIRST COAST EXPRESSWAY. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: IT IS A GIANT CUL-DE-SAC. YOU GOT TO GO IN AND OUT THROUGH THE SAME PLACE.
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>> COMMISSIONER CELLA: WE HAVE A PROBLEM WITH OUR PUBLIC SAFETY HAVING TO GO UP AND AROUND TO GET THERE. I IN IS WE'RE IN A TIME CRUNCH SO WE REALLY GOT TO COME UP WITH GAME PLAN IN TERMS OF BEING ABLE TO DETERMINE WHERE WE'RE GOING TO GO WITH THIS MONEY. I THINK OF ALL THE THINGS THAT SUSAN SAID I THINK, YOU KNOW, CONNECTING TO FIRST COAST EXPRESSWAY OFF 315 IS CERTAINLY ONE OF THE MORE IMPORTANT ONES THEN RELIEVING THE CONGESTION ON SAND RIDGE AND 209, THOSE ARE MAJOR PROBLEMS. AND IF THERE'S ADDITIONAL MONEYS AVAILABLE, THEN, OF COURSE, 218 IN MIDDLEBURG OFF BLANDING IS PROBABLY THE FIRST ONE. AND THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE LISTED HERE
NOW AS PRIORITY. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: ADDRESS THE PRESENT POPULATION. THAT'S ALL I'M TRYING TO GET AT. I UNDERSTAND WE NEED TO PLAN FOR THE FUTURE BUT YOU KNOW.
>> COMMISSIONER CELLA: AND THEN, ON THE OTHER HAND, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY'S SCREAMING WE NEED TO BE ON TOP OF IT AND BE AHEAD OF THE SITUATION. WE ARE TRYING TO GET AHEAD OF OF THE
SITUATION. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE UP FOR 25 YEARS
OF NOT DOING ANYTHING. >> COMMISSIONER CELLA: CAN'T DO IT ALL ON $138 MILLION. WE GOT TO PICK AND CHOOSE WHAT IS MOST GOOD FOR PEOPLE BEING AFFECTED RIGHT NOW.
>> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: THOSE ARE THE PEOPLE HERE. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: WHILE WE'RE RESTING OUR MINDS UP HERE I WOULD ENTERTAIN ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS ON THIS. NOT YOU MR. AUTO. IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE THAT WANTS TO COME UP AND SPEAK TO THIS ISSUE
[LAUGHTER] >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: WHY CAN'T I SPEAK?
>> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: GEORGE? GEORGE EGAN WITH THE REINHOLD CORPORATION. JUST A COUPLE OF COMMENTS. I THINK OF LAKE ASBURY I THINK ABOUT IT IN 25 YEARS FROM NOW. WHAT DO WE WANT IT TO LOOK LIKE. GOING BACK TO YOUR COMMENT, I THINK THE MOST BENEFICIAL CONTRIBUTION WE COULD ADD TO LAKE ASBURY IS THE FOUR LANE 315 FROM 17 UP TO MIDDLEBURG. THAT'S A MAJOR EAST-WEST ROAD. MY CONCERN IS IF WE SPEND ALL THE MONEY WIDENING 209 AND SAND RIDGE AND THEN WE END UP FOUR LANING 315 AND 218 WE'VE ACTUALLY BUILT A LOT OF EXCESS CAPACITY ON 209 AND SAND RIDGE. ANOTHER WAY I THINK ABOUT IT IS IF WE SPEND $138 MILLION OF BONDS AND $100 MILLION IN IMPACT FEES OVER THE NEXT 25 YEARS HOW CAN WE SPEND THAT MOST EFFICIENTLY? AND IF WE JUST FOUR LANE SAND RIDGE AND 209 WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A LOT OF EXCESS CAPACITY. I THINK IF YOU FOUR LINE THAT THE CAPACITY IS LIKE A .2. SO, I JUST ASK YOU TO THINK ABOUT THAT AND KIND OF HOLD THAT IN BALANCE. I MEAN, MY, YOU KNOW, JUST WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT KIND OF INTUITIVELY FOUR LANING 315 ALL THE WAY THROUGH SARATOGA, THROUGH REINHOLD UP TO 218 TO MIDDLEBURG WHERE ALL THAT TRAFFIC IS GOING TO COME TO THE EMPLOYMENT CENTER OR TO THE EXCHANGE IS I THINK THAT'S THE MOST COMPELLING RATIONALE FOR WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING. SO. 234I COMMENTS?
[LAUGHTER] >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: SOMETHING THAT I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'VE TOTALLY FOCUSED ON IS BECAUSE -- IT IS A NEW ROAD AND BECAUSE THE LANDOWNERS ARE WILLING TO HELP US THAT WE CAN ACQUIRE THE RIGHT-OF-WAY IN A MUCH SIMPLER FASHION THAN WE CAN AIRE THE RIGHT-OF-WAY ON 209. BECAUSE IT HASN'T BEEN DEVELOPED. WE'LL BE ABLE TO GET THE 120 FEET RIGHT-OF-WAY AND WORK OUT AN ARRANGEMENT WHICH IS A MUCH EASIER TAKE THAN
EXPANDING THE FOUR LANES ON 209. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: I THINK WE OUGHT TO LOOK AT WHAT THE COUNTY REALLY NEEDS AND GO FOR IT. THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO DO HERE. WHATEVER THAT IS. I DON'T
KNOW. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: THANK YOU, GEORGE.
>> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: WE'VE HAD SO MANY DIFFERENT PLANS HERE IT'S HARD TO FIGURE THIS OUT.
>> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: MR. AUTO, I WANT TO GIVE OTHER PEOPLE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK THAT'S NOT
BEEN UP HERE MULTIPLE TIMES TONIGHT. GO AHEAD, RICHARD. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: RICHARD CLEMSMAN 1985 TO MACHA TRAIL. WHEN I THINK ABOUT WHAT LAKE ASBURY IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE 25 YEARS FROM NOW IT CERTAINLY ISN'T WHAT THEY WANT IT TO LOOK LIKE 25 YEARS FROM NOW. THAT WILL BE CHERNOBYL. THEY'RE GOING TO LEVEL EVERYTHING. THERE'S GOING TO BE CHEESY LITTLE HOUSES GOING UP. IT'S GOING TO BE OVER POPULATED. NOBODY'S GOING TO BE ABLE TO GET ANYWHERE. SO, I WOULD ASK SEVERAL QUESTIONS. ONE, WHY DID WE LIMIT A BOND TO $130 MILLION IF WE HAVE SO MUCH MORE OF A NEED? I THINK YOU GOT TO GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD AND REALLY SIT DOWN AND PLAN
HARDER. WHY LIMIT YOURSELF? >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: BECAUSE WE GOT TO PAY IT BACK.
>> PUBLIC SPEAKER: WE'RE GETTING THE BILL ANYWAY. >> COMMISSIONER CELLA: BECAUSE THAT'S THE MAXIMUM WE'RE ABLE TO BORROW BASED ON THE REVENUE WE'RE COMMITTING TO.
>> PUBLIC SPEAKER: THAT MAKES SENSE. THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE A STRAIGHT ANSWER. I DON'T GET
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VERY MANY OF THOSE. SECONDLY, SAND RIDGE IS ALREADY IN DIRE NEED. THREE LANES IS NOT GOING TO BE CUTTING IT BECAUSE IN TEN YEARS THEY'RE GOING TO BE BACK HERE GOING WE NEED ANOTHER LANE.WELL WE ALREADY NEED ANOTHER LANE. NOBODY IS PUTTING THE THOUGHT INTO THIS. WHAT I SAID AT THE BEGINNING OF ALL OF THIS MESS IS SLOW DOWN. DON'T PUT SO MUCH OUT OF CONTROL HOUSING UP.
YOU KNOW WHAT THE REACTION IS GOING TO BE. YOU KNOW YOUR CREATING A PROBLEM. THINGS ARE NOT GOING TO IMPROVE BY ADDING ANOTHER THOUSAND HOMES. OFFICIALLY STARTING YESTERDAY I'M TAKING ON FULL-TIME WORKING HERE IN CLAY COUNTY. I'M VERY EXCITED ABOUT IT. AND KIND OF TAKE UP WHERE HE LEFT OFF WITH ALL THE WORK HE AND HIS PARTNERS HAVE DONE. JUST BRIEFLY WANT TO THANK STAFF AND THANK SUSAN FOR THE IMMENSE AMOUNT OF WORK THEY PUT INTO TRYING TO FIGURE THIS OUT. IT'S NOT EASY. I AM A REGISTERED PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER. I'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR 25 YEARS. AND THERE IS NEVER ONE EASY SOLUTION THAT DOESN'T GET DONE WITHOUT A LOT OF HARD WORK AND THEY'VE DONE THIS. SO, YOU KNOW, IN ADDITION TO THA AS A PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER I'M NOT A BIG FAN OF JUST CONTINUING TO WIDEN ROADS. I THINK HAVING MORE OF A NETWORK IS DEMONSTRATED ALL OVER THE PLACE TO BE A BETTER APPROACH. WITH THAT, WITH THE PROJECT WE'RE DOING OFF HENDLEY ROAD, HENDLEY ROAD CONNECTS TO 209, IT HAS CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL. WE'RE FULLY PLANNING BUILDING OUR APF. I AND SOME OF THE OTHER DEVELOPERS IN THE AREA HAVE JUST REQUIRED TO ONLY DEDICATE A RIGHT-OF-WAY BUT I THINK WE BELIEVE IN THIS PLAN AND BELIEVE IN WHAT'S GOING ON. SO, I THINK BETTER TO DO OUR PART AND WE'RE GOING TO BUILD A ROAD. WE'LL DO OUR PORTION. WE CERTAINLY INTEND ON OUR DEVELOPMENT PAYING FOR ITSELF. BUT PART OF THAT, PART OF THE REASON WE WANT TO DO IS BECAUSE WE LIKE WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH LAKE ASBURY PLAN. WE'VE WORKED WITH THE COUNTY NOW FOR 15 YEARS TO TRY TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN. AND PART OF IS THAT THAT ROAD NETWORK. THAT'S WHAT'S GOING TO MAKE THAT A NICE PLACE TO LIVE. IT'S WHAT'S GOING TO MAKE IT -- THE DEVELOPMENT IS NICE. IT'S GOING TO HAVE THE ROADWAY SECTIONS THAT WE WANT. INSTEAD OF PIECEMEAL DEVELOPMENT AND THESE, YOU KNOW, JUST KIND OF SIX LANE SUPERHIGHWAYS. SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, AGAIN, WE'RE MOVING FORWARD. I THINK WE'VE AND WHAT WE'RE DOING PRETTY WELL IN PLACE BUT I JUST WANTED TO STAND UP AND SUPPORT THIS FROM MY EXPERIENCE AS AN ENGINEER. I DO THINK THE ROADWAY NETWORK IS THE WAY TO GO. I'LL LEAVE IT TO YOU GUYS HOW TO FUND IT. BUT IF YOU COULD DO THAT I THINK YOU
WILL GET A BETTER PRODUCT. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: THAT'S THE IMPEDIMENT TO BUILDING THE
ROAD BEFORE YOU PUT ALL THE HOMES IN. >> I'M BUILDING THE ROAD.
>> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: BECAUSE YOU WANT A QUALITY DEVELOPMENT. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: I CAN'T SPEAK FOR EVERYBODY ELSE. FOR US IT MAKES SENSE. THAT'S WHY WE'RE DOING IT.
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>> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: YOUR FATHER WAS A GOOD MAN AND I'M GLAD YOU ARE CONTINUING IN HIS FOOTSTEPS.
>> PUBLIC SPEAKER: THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND I'M HAPPY TO BE HERE AND I LOOK FORWARD TO
WORKING WITH EVERYBODY. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: ANYONE ELSE? JIMMY I SEE YOU GETTING UP.
>> PUBLI >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: JIMMY WEEKS. 2 2647 ROBBY LEE LANE. I LIVE THERE ON SAND RIDGE. I GREW UP ON A FARM OUT ON 21. BUT I'VE LIVED, PHYSICALLY ACTUALLY LIVED ON SAND RIDGE FOR 45 YEARS. I PROBABLY KNOW THE PATTERN OF TRAFFIC AND THE ISSUES, THE PROBLEMS BETTER THAN MOST. YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE GREAT ENGINEERS AND PEOPLE HERE AND PLANNERS THAT HAVE CREATED MODELS. THOSE MODELS MAY WORK BUT DALE HIMSELF SAID THE OTHER NIGHT ON THE INFRASTRUCTURE MEETING THAT SOMETIMES MODELS GO THE WAY YOU WANT THEM TO, SOMETIMES THEY DON'T. I'VE TALKED TO SUSAN ABOUT THE WAY THOSE TRAFFIC PATTERNS ARE FLOWING NOW WITH TRAFFIC COMING OUT OF MIDDLEBURG TO HENDLEY AND TURNING DOWN HENDLEY, COMING DOWN SAND RIDGE. AND ALL THAT IS TRUE. THAT'S ALL HAPPENING. IT'S ALL FEEDING. MR. CLEMSMAN HAS IT RIGHT. YOU KNOW, IT'S UP TO FIVE OF YOU ALL TO HELP SLOW DOWN THINGS JUST A LITTLE BIT. THE PROBLEM IS NOW IN MY OPINION THE NORTH-SOUTH ROAD NUMBER 1 WILL PROBABLY ASSIST A SECONDARY ROUTE OUT IF THE EAST-WEST ROAD IS BUILT ACROSS FROM STATE ROAD 23 ALL THE WAY OVER TO 315 AND 17. THAT'S GOING TO BE PROBABLY A GODSEND THERE TO BREAK IT OUT.
BECAUSE I'M ON SAND RIDGE, ONE OF THE PROBLEMS IS GOING TO BE ALL THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THE AGRICULTURAL AREAS EVERY COUPLE HUNDRED YARDS THERE ALONG FOR A MILE OR SO. WE WILL NEVER GET ACROSS A FOUR LANE TO THE OTHER SIDE. WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE A TRAFFIC LIGHT. WE MAY COME INTO THE MEDIAN IF THERE'S A MEDIAN THEN WE TAKE OUR LIFE IN OUR OWN HANDS TO GET ACROSS. SO, I PROBABLY WILL BE OPPOSED TO A FOUR LANE AND MAYBE THE THREE LANE WOULD WORK ON SAND RIDGE.
HOWEVER, SAYING ALL OF THAT, I WOULD LOVE TO SIT DOWN AND JUST TALK WITH STAFF AND DEVELOPERS AND PEOPLE HERE BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT'S ALREADY ON 209 COMING FROM NOT ONLY 218 BUT CUTTING ACROSS AND CUTTING THROUGH TO GET TO SHE SHOPPEDS BRIDGE OR -- THE SHANDS BRIDGE OR TO GO NORTH ON 17 ALSO YOU'VE GOT THE CIRCUMSTANCE OF PEOPLE EVEN AS FAR UP AS 220 AND THOSE DEVELOPMENTS COMING DOWN AND GOING HOME ON 209. SO, HERE'S THE CIRCUMSTANCE. YOU'VE GOT THE TRAFFIC THAT'S ALREADY THERE THAT'S PRETTY HEAVY ON A TWO-LANE ROAD. THAT'S FAIRLY NARROW. IF YOU LOOK, THE COUNTY IS ALWAYS PATCHING THE SHOULDERS WITH CLAY OR ASPHALT OR WHATEVER. GOES AWAY AND THREE MONTHS LATER THEY DO THAT AGAIN.
WHAT I AM SAYING TO YOU IS 209 FROM SAND RIDGE OVER TO 17 IS IMPACTED MANY WAYS. BECAUSE YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE A THOUSAND OR MORE ACRES DEVELOPED BY D. R. HORTON RIGHT ALONG THAT PROPERTY THAT WE HAVEN'T EVEN TALKED ABOUT. TO THE LEFT YOU HAVE PROPERTY I'M NOT SURE IF IT BELONGS TO THE SKINNER FAMILY OR OTHER FOLKS BUT IT'S GOING TO DEVELOP. IT'S ALREADY IN THE PLANS TOO. COMING. AND IT'S HUNDREDS IF NOT A THOUSAND ACRES. SO, WITH WHAT WE'VE ALREADY GOT BEHIND US, THE NEW DAIRY FOLKS HAVE SOLD OUT FOR 700 HOMES AND THEN PEOPLE ARE JUST STACKING THEM IN THERE. HUNDREDS IF NOT NEAR A THOUSAND. IN MY HUMBLE OPINION FROM HAVING 18 YEARS IN ENGINEERING AND COUNTY PUBLIC WORKS HERE, I BELIEVE THAT THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE A WAY TO GET AROUND SOMEWHAT DOING A FOUR LANE PROJECT FROM SAND RIDGE OVER TO 17. BECAUSE OF THE IMPACT YOU'VE ALREADY GOT THERE. SO, I'M RETIRING THIS NEXT YEAR. I'M
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LOOKING FORWARD TO ENJOYING MY FAMILY, MY FARM WITH MY CATTLE. I'M SURROUNDED BY DEVELOPMENT.EVERY MORNING I WAKE UP TO HEARING HAMMERS. AND I HATE IT. OKAY. I'M STUCK THERE WITH A HANDFUL OF DOUBLE HANDFUL OF OUR FAMILY THAT, YOU KNOW, WOULD LOVE TO LIVE OUT OUR LIVES WITHOUT THE CONGESTION, WITHOUT ALL OF THIS, BUT WE REALIZE IT'S COMING. YOU KNOW, SO LIKE MR. CLINGSMAN SAID, LET'S THINK ABOUT WHAT WE'RE DOING AND SLOW IT DOWN AND MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE DOING IT THE RIGHT WAY TO ACCOMMODATE NOT ONLY WHAT WE HAVE AND LET'S MAKE SURE THAT OUR FRIENDS, THE DEVELOPERS, ARE PAYING THEIR FAIR SHARE TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN. OKAY. I HAVEN'T HEARD A LOT ABOUT THAT TONIGHT ON HOW EACH DEVELOPER PAYS OTHER THAN WHAT WE KNOW IS THE IMPACT FEES THAT ARE PAID BY THE HOMEOWNERS. YOU KNOW, WE HAVEN'T REALLY TALKED MUCH ABOUT THAT. SO, I'M NOT AGAINST WHAT THEY'RE DOING. I BELIEVE THAT MAYBE THE NORTH-SOUTH ROAD THERE HELPS US OUT ON SAND RIDGE. YOU KNOW, THE EAST-WEST ROAD DEFINITELY. THE 315 EXTENSION.
BUT MY QUESTIO MARK, MY BIG QUESTION MARK IS FROM SAND RIDGE ROAD ON 209 GOING TO THE BRIDGE AND ACROSS TO 17. SO, I WOULD WELCOME SITTING AND LISTENING AND TALKING AND SO WOULD MY NEIGHBORS BEFORE YOU MAKE A DECISION AS LARGE AS THIS. THANK YOU.
>> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: THANK YOU, JIM. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: ALAN SKINNER 4469 ANTIGUA DRIVE JACKSONVILLE, FLORIDA. SA LOT OF WHAT HAS BEEN SAID I DON'T NEAT TO REITERATE BUT I JUST KNOW I'VE BEEN INVOLVED WITH THE TRAFFIC PLANNING WITH SUSAN AND OTHERS ABOUT THIS. AND WHAT'S ABUNDANTLY CLEAR IS I THINK EVERYBODY KNOWS THE HOUSES ARE COMING. THAT'S JUST SOMETHING YOU ALMOST CAN'T DENY. BUT THE THING IS THAT YOU GOT TO HAVE MORE BETTER ROAD NETWORK. THAT'S THE BOTTOM LINE. SO, I AM IN SUPPORT OF A BETTER ROAD NETWORK RATHER THAN FOUR LANING. I MEAN, OUR PROPERTY FRONTS HENDLEY AND THAT'S GOT TO BE THE UGLIEST ROAD I'VE EVER SEEN IN MY LIFE. AND I'M GOING TO SPEAK FROM AN AESTHETIC POINT OF VIEW.
BESIDES THE APF ROADS BEING VERY BENEFICIAL WHAT CROSSES THROUGH OUR PROPERTY IT WILL CUT OFF THE CORNER BY THE SCHOOL. AND HAVING, YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY WILL HELP WITH PUBLIC SAFETY. IT WILL BE EASIER ROUTE TO GET ON TO THE BELTWAY. BUT I HAVE KIDS, THEY'RE ALL GROWN NOW, BUT WHEN I SEE THOSE LITTLE KIDS RUNNING AROUND THE SCHOOL AND I THINK OF ALL THE TRAFFIC AND FOUR LANES RIGHT THERE WOULD BE HORRIFYING TO ME. KNOWING HOW I FEEL ABOUT KIDS AND EVERYTHING. BUT COMMISSIONER BOLLA TALKS A LOT ABOUT HOUSE VALUES. I JUST KNOW THAT I USED TO WORK FOR A LAND PLANNING FIRM A LONG TIME AGO THAT DID NEIGHBORHOOD DEVELOPMENTS AND THEY'RE ALL ABOUT BUILDING VALUE AND THE QUALITY AND THE PRICES. THE VALUES OF THEIR PROPERTIES WENT WAY UP SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER BECAUSE OF THE QUALITY AND THE DESIGN. AND THE APF ROADS LIKE THEM OR NOT REALLY BRING QUALITY TO THIS LAKE ASBURY AREA. THAT WAS KIND OF THE INTENT OF THE LAKE ASBURY MASTER PLAN. I 30 WHEN YOU GET THAT QUALITY YOU ARE GOING TO GET MORE BETTER HOUSE VALUES AND BETTER QUALITY OF LIFE IN GENERAL. BECAUSE THERE'S GOING TO BE VILLAGE CENTERS POPPED HERE AND THERE AND ACCESSIBLE BY BIKE OR PEDESTRIAN. BUT I'M IN FAVOR OF A MORE THOUGHTFUL NETWORK PROGRAM. THAT'S MY TWO CENTS. SO THANK YOU.
>> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: THANK YOU, SIR. MR. AUTO DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING SUBSTANTIVE TO ADD TO
THIS CONVERSATION? >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: YES, SIR, I DO. THANK YOU. ONE OF MY FAVORITE TOPICS TO COME AND TALK TO YOU ABOUT. JAMES AUTO 2904-2910 BLANDING BOULEVARD SEX AND BUDS CLAY COUNTY FLORIDA HOTELS. THIS IS WHAT MS. STUTTER AND MS. EBOLA GOT GOING FOR A QUIET CLAP. I KNOW YOU WAS NOT LIKING THAT EARLIER BUT THAT'S A QUIET CLAP TO SHOW YOUR APPRECIATION SIR. I'D LIKE TO GO BACK IN TIME TO WHERE THE PRIOR BOARD GOT A PRICE OF $300,000 TO PUT IN A MILE OF ROAD. AND LIKE TO KNOW WHERE THAT WENT TO. BECAUSE THESE NUMBERS ARE JUST LIKE OFF THE CHART. LITERALLY OFF THE CHART. I KNOW IT IS A GOOD ECONOMY BUT WE REALLY
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SHOULD BE LOOKING AT A LESS ECONOMY AFTER THE INCOME TAX COMING IN. YOU KNOW, TRUMP SAID WE WERE GOING TO HAVE SOME HARD TIMES COMING. IT'S GOING TO BE EASIER WITH TRUMP BUT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE HARD TIMES COMING. SO THERE'S A LOT TO DIGEST YOU ALL HAVE SAID. WE GOT TO LOOK AT SAFETY. THAT'S A MAJOR ISSUE ON OUR ROADS. WE HAD A LITTLE GIRL DIED WALKING TO FLEMING ISLAND SCHOOL CROSSING BLANDING AND MIDDLEBURG. ANOTHER GIRL JUST DIED RECENTLY. WE GOT TO PUT SAFETY FIRST. THE OUTER-BELTEDWAYS BUILDING SOME OF THESE ROADS OFF THERE. I REALLY APPRECIATE MR. EBOLA'S COMMENTS TODAY. HE WAS RIGHT ON POINT. RIGHT ON POINT WITH THOSE COMMENTS. I APPRECIATE THAT, SIR. WHAT WE REALLY NEED TO LOOK AT IS OUR IMPACT FEES AT $6,700 FOR THE COUNTY SIDE. YOU ALL HAVE SAID THAT'S THE VERY MINIMUM THAT YOU CAN TAKE. YOU ARE ALREADY AT THE VERY MINIMUM AT $6,700 OR ABOUT THAT FIGURE. WE NEED TO BE LOOKING AT MORE LIKE $10,000. YOU GUYS ARE PUSHING THAT TO THE $11,000 MARK THAT YOU ALL WERE TALKING ABOUT.WE NEED TO GET THIS IN FRONT OF THE VOTERS. THIS IS A HUGE ISSUE. LIKE MR. EBOLA WAS SAYING. THIS IS GOING TO AFFECT THE COUNTY FOR TWO BOARDS COMING UP. WE'RE LOOKING AT TEN YEARS.
YOU KNOW, THIS IS SOMETHING THE VOTERS SHOULD HAVE A RIGHT TO VOTE ON. IF YOU ARE GOING TO SPEND THIS KIND OF MONEY YOU REALLY NEED TO COME TO THE VOTERS. AND WE NEED SIDEWALKS IN THIS COMMUNITY. AND I APPRECIATE THAT THIS BOARD IS JUMPING ON BOARD WITH THE OTHER COUNTIES THAT STARTED THAT PROJECT, YOU KNOW, AND YOU'RE DOING THAT. THAT'S GOOD. WE NEED THOSE SIDEWALKS. BUT WE ALSO NEED OUR CITIZEN INPUT. WE DON'T HAVE MUCH HERE TODAY. AND I'M REALLY WONDERING WHY. WHEN WE CAN FILL THIS BOARDROOM AND THE ROOM DOWN STAIRS OVER ONE LITTLE ROAD, OLD HARD ROAD I THINK IT WAS, THAT THE GENTLEMAN HAD TO RUN UP HERE TO GET HIS THREE MINUTES IN AND WAS VERY UPSET ABOUT THAT. BUT THIS IS A HUGE PROJECT. AND WE HAVE HARDLY ANYBODY FROM THE CITIZENS HERE. SO, I APPRECIATE MR. EBOLA WANTING TO DO A MEETING FOR THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE SOME KIND OF SAY INSTEAD OF JUST TRYING TO PUSH THIS THROUGH AND MAKE EVERYBODY ELSE PAY FOR IT BECAUSE YOU THINK THAT IT NEEDS TO BE DONE IMMEDIATELY. WE'RE GOING TO GO INTO SOME HARD TIMES. REMEMBER THE LION'S BRIDGE THEY PAID ALL THAT MONEY FOR BECAUSE THEY DID IT AT THE
WRONG TIME? I WANT YOU ALL TO PLEASE REMEMBER THAT. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: YOUR TIME'S
UP MR. AUTO. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: THIS IS THE WRONG TIME.
>> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: OKAY. >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: SEEMS THAT MAYBE WE SHOULD HAVE A COMMUNITY MEETING AT THE JUNIOR HIGH OR ELEMENTARY SCHOOL AND TAKE THE INFORMATION TO THE
COMMUNITY. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: DO WE HAVE A PLAN YET? MAYBE WE SHOULD
HAVE A WORKSHOP FIRST. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: LET ME OFFER UP IN ESSENCE OF TIME AND WE'VE BEEN ON THIS AN HOUR AND A HALF. I'M NOT SURE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ANY RESOLUTION IN ANOTHER HOUR AND A HALF. BUT IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE IF WE CAN DIRECT THE COUNTY MANAGER TO QUERY ALL OF US INDIVIDUALLY AND TAKE ALL OF OUR THOUGHTS AND MAYBE PUT IT INTO ONE ACTIONABLE PLAN BE IT A
TOWN HALL OR WHATEVER? IS THAT A GOOD WAY TO GO? >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: I THINK WE NEED TWO MEETINGS. I THINK WE NEED A WORKSHOP FOR THE BOARD TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IT IS AND TO COME UP WITH SORT OF ONE OR TWO PACKAGES AND THEN HAVE A -- AS COMMISSIONER HUTCHINGS SAID, LET'S HAVE AN OPEN DISCUSSION AT ONE OF THE SCHOOLS AND ADVERTISE IT HEAVILY AND GET THE COMMUNITY INVOLVED IN THIS. AND THEN WE CAN HEAR OUT LIKE MR. WEEKS SAID, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS PRETTY GOOD INPUT. I MEAN, I'M SURE THERE'S FIVE OTHER PEOPLE IN THE COUNTY WHO KNOW AS MUCH ABOUT THE ROADS AS HE DOES. SO, LET'S GET THOSE IF WE CAN LET'S GET THAT IN THE RECORD AND EVERYTHING AND GIVE EVERYBODY A CHANCE TO SPEAK ABOUT IT. IT'S SO COMPLICATED I DON'T THINK WE CAN ASK FOR A CITIZENS VOTE BUT AT LEAST WE CAN ASK FOR MORE INPUT YOU KNOW.
>> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: HOWARD, ARE YOU MAKING NOTES? THAT'S ONE SUGGESTION FROM COMMISSIONER
BOLLA ALREADY. >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHINGS SUGGESTED DOING THE WORKSHOP
NEXT TUESDAY RIGHT AFTER FINANCE. >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: AND JUST SKIP THE INFRASTRUCTURE MEETING BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
>> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: WHAT DATE IS THAT? >> COMMISSIONER CELLA ISN'T
AVAILABLE SO. >> COMMISSIONER CELLA: I'M OUT OF TOWN. IT DOESN'T MEAN YOU
CAN'T HAVE THE MEETING BUT I WON'T BE THERE. >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: CAN
YOU PHONE IN? >> COMMISSIONER CELLA: IT'S POSSIBLE BUT THAT NEVER REALLY
WORKS OUT ALL THAT WELL. >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: CAN YOU WATCH ONLINE? WHAT OTHER
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DAY? >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: WE'RE COMING UP WITH THE RIGHT PLAN TO SPEND $134 MILLION IS A PRETTY IMPORTANT THING. LET'S GET THIS RIGHT IF WE CAN.
>> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: COULD WE PL WOULD BE HERE? >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: WHEN ARE
YOU COMING BACK? >> COMMISSIONER CELLA: SATURDAY. LIKE I SAID, I MEAN, YOU CAN MOVE FORWARD ON IT. PRETTY CLEAR IN MY MIND AS TO WHERE WE NEED TO GO. I'VE HAD THREE OR FOUR TOWN HALLS OVER THE LAST YEAR SINCE FEBRUARY WHEN WE STARTED IT AND EVERY TOWN HALL I'VE ASKED EVERY RESIDENT IF THEY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, WHETHER WE NEED TO GO FORWARD AND BOND. NOT ONE PERSON HAS HAD ANY OBJECTIONS. MOST OF THE LAST COUPLE MEETINGS, LAST TWO TOWN HALLS WE HAD THE MAP AND PUT THAT UP AND WE HAD PEOPLE ASK QUESTIONS. THAT'S HOW WE FOUND OUT THAT FOLKS THAT RIVE ALONG 220 ARE NOT THRILLED ABOUT HAVING A SIX LANE. SO WE OPTED TO DROP THAT OUT AND PUT IN THE TRIPLE R THAT DALE WAS TALKING ABOUT BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO INCREASE CAPACITY AND TAKE CARE OF SOME OF THE SAFETY PROBLEMS AND THE CONGESTION THAT'S CAUSED NOW. SO THAT'S HOW WE DID. SO, YOU KNOW, I'M PRETTY CONFIDENT THAT I KNOW AT LEAST IN PART OF MY DISTRICT -- I CAN'T SPEAK FOR 100% OF THE PEOPLE -- SORT OF A GENERAL FEELING AS TO HOW THEY FEEL ABOUT WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE. BUT, YOU KNOW, I'M
WILLING TO MEET WHENEVER I'M AVAILABLE TO TALK MORE. >> WHY DON'T WE DO A WORKSHOP FOR WHOEVER CAN ATTEND AND FOR THE PUBLIC THAT CAN ATTEND ON TUESDAY SINCE WE ALREADY HAVE THE FINANCE AND WE CAN WORK THROUGH THAT AND THEN TRY TO DO A COMMUNITY MEETING IF WE CAN
GET IT SCHEDULED. >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: THAT'S FINE WITH ME.
>> COMMISSIONER BOLLA ARE YOU AVAILABLE? >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: I'LL BE
AVAILABLE. >> OKAY. >> I WOULD PROPOSE A COMMUNITY MEETING NEXT WEEK THE 10-14TH AND MAKE IT LOCAL WITHIN THE JUNIOR HIGH THERE AND I'LL MAKE
THOSE ARRANGEMENTS. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: CAN WE ADVERTISE IT WIDELY?
>> OH YES, SIR. >> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: DO A SUPER BOWL AD OR SOMETHING.
>> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: WE GOT TO GET PEOPLE'S ATTENTION TO GET ANYBODY THERE. I'M NOT WORRIED
ABOUT YOU MR. AUTO. WE KNOW YOU'LL BE THERE. >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: THIS CAN GET A BANNER OR TWO MADE AND PUT IT ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD FOR RESIDENT THAT'S GO BY. IF YOU ARE JUST GOING TO ADVERTISE IN THE NEWSPAPER, YOU ARE NOT GOING TO GET A WHOLE ROT OF
PEOPLE. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: WE NEED AS WIDE ATTENDANCE.
>> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: IF WE CAN MAKE IT A CONSPIRACY THEIR IT WILL TAKE OFF ON FACEBOOK
[LAUGHTER] I'M TEASING. >> MR. WEEKS LIVING OUT THERE AND GOING TO THE CHURCH RIGHT THERE ON SAND RIDGE WOULD BE ABLE TO PROVIDE NOTICE TO ALL
THE CHURCH MEMBERS THAT LIVE IN THE AREA. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: ESPECIALLY IF WE CAN PUT A BANNER ON EACH ROAD THAT'S REALLY GOING TO GET AFFECTED
THAT WOULD MAKE SENSE YOU KNOW. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: CELLA JIMMY WOULD IT HELP IF YOU HAD A FLYER
TO HAND OUT IF WE CAN PRODUCE ONE OF THOSE FOR YOU? >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: THAT
WOULD BE GOOD. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: SO WORKSHOP NEXT TUESDAY AFTER--
>> FEBRUARY 4TH NEXT TUESDAY RIGHT AFTER FINANCE AND AUDIT. AND I WOULD PROPOSE -- AGAIN, IF I CAN NAIL DOWN THE DATE FOR THE TOWN HALL, PERHAPS THE 14TH OF FEBRUARY, A FRIDAY, BE IT?
[LAUGHTER] >> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: HOW ROMANTIC.
>> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: THAT'S HITTING THE CONSPIRACY BUTTON. >> IF WE DIDN'T DO IT THEN -- I
MEAN, WE COULD GO THE 13TH. >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: I THINK THE 13TH WOULD BE BETTER.
>> YES, MA'AM. I WOULD SAY WITHIN THE EVENING. SO, PEOPLE ARE OFF WORK AND THEY CAN
ATTEND. PROBABLY START AT 6:00 P.M. SOMETHING LIKE THAT. >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: YEAH.
>> YEAH. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: BUT THAT'S BUMPING UP AGAINST OUR DEADLINE.
>> THE 25TH WAS THE FINAL DECISION. WE HAVE A BCC MEETING ON THE 11TH. THE TOPIC COULD BE BROUGHT UP MORE ADVERTISEMENT AND THAT. AND I WOULD LIKE TO JUST -- RIGHT NOW THERE ARE NO OTHER ALTERNATIVES OUT THERE THAT I AM AWARE OF. WEAVE ADDRESSED THE COMMUNITY'S CONCERN WITH THE 220 AND THE CONCERNS ABOUT FOUR LANING ROADS. THAT'S WHY IF YOU LOOK AT ALL THESE, A LOT OF THEM ARE THREE LANES. WE'RE TROW ILOG TO KEEP THAT FEEL THERE AND ADDRESS THE FLOW. THE BEST WAY TO DO THAT, PARALLEL ROADS. BUT, AGAIN, WE CAN TALK MORE ABOUT IT AND REALLY GET IN DEPTH ON THE WORKSHOP. ALSO IF ED CAN ALSO PROVIDE SOME NUMBERS. I DIDN'T
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GIVE YOU THE CAPACITY NUMBERS. I THINK GEORGE MENTIONED ONE OF THEM. .2 IS WHAT WAS THE ANSWER ON IT. BUT WE'LL GEEK OUT A LITTLE BIT ON SOME NUMBERS TOO WITH THAT. SO THE CAPACITYFLOWS ARE THERE AND WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: I
THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT. >> YES, MA'AM. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: THANK YOU,
HOWARD. >> YES, SIR. AGAIN 4 FEBRUARY RIGHT AFTER FINANCE AND AUDIT AND 13 FEBRUARY AT 6:00 P.M. AT THE JUNIOR HIGH. ON. WE STILL HAVE AN AGENDA IN- LE LEFT. WE STILL NEED TO DO ITEM B DO WE NOT?
>> WE DO. >> I THINK I CAN MAKE ITEM B SMOOTH HERE. SO, WITHOUT FURTHER ADO. WITHIN YOUR BINDERS YOU HAVE THREE OPTIONS. WE TALKED ABOUT THE LAST BOARD MEETING ABOUT THESE THREE OPTIONS. SO, IF YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THEM. OPTION 1 IS A TOTAL INTERNAL COUNTY OPTION. THAT'S WHERE WE HAD A PROGRAM MANAGER AND THEN PROJECT MANAGERS, TWO OF THEM EACH RESPONSIBLE FOR THREE PROJECTS APIECE. I'LL JUST BRIEF THAT. NO COMMENT NEEDED THERE. OPTION 2 WAS WHERE WE'RE KIND OF FOCUSED ON WITH THE CONSTRUCTION MANAGER AT RISK OPTION. I'LL HOLD THAT FOR JUST A MINUTE AND GO TO OPTION 3. OPTION 3 WAS A DESIGN BUILD OPTION. IT JUST HAS A PROGRAM MANAGER AND YOU CAN KIND OF READ WHAT'S GOING ON THERE. BUT BASICALLY YOU BID OUT THE PROJECT TO FIRMS WHICH WILL DESIGN AND CONSTRUCT THE ROADS COMPLETELY AND ENTIRETY AND IT'S, YOU KNOW -- WE'D HAVE THE IN HOUSE P.E. AND WE COULD DO AN RFQ DO RETAIN ONE. I WANT TO GO BACK TO OPTION 2. I HAD HR PUT OUT A JOB ANNOUNCEMENT FOR THE PROGRAM MANAGER. AND WITH A P.E. AS A REQUIREMENT. HAD AT THE TIME LATE YESTERDAY ABOUT 235 HITS AND 1 PERSON HAD APPLIED. SO THAT 2.6, YOU KNOW, JOB RATE, IS DEFINITELY AFFECTING US IN TRYING TO FIND SOMEBODY. SO, I'M TAKING A LOOK AT IT. THERE MAY BE MANY FACTORS OF WHY PEOPLE HAVEN'T APPLIED FOR IT. WE'LL TRY TO FIGURE THAT OUT. WE'RE STILL PURSUING THAT. MEN TIME PARALLEL TO THAT THE STAFF HAS BEEN WORKING ON AN RFP AND RFQ WITH REGARDS TO THIS CONSTRUCTION MANAGER RISK OPTION TO HAVE A SEAMAR IF YOU WANT TO CALL IT THAT SENT OUT. SO, YOU HAVE AN AND AB. ONE YOU HAVE MORE CONTROL OVER THE OTHER. A IS THE ONE WHERE IT'S LIKE IT'S ALL IN THE CMR'S COURT. THE CMR CONTRACTS WITH THE ENGINEER. THE CONTRACTOR, THE RIGHT-OF-WAY ACQUISITION FIRM, THE CIE, THE CMR WOULD ISSUE THE RFPS AND RFQS THEN ALL WE HAVE IS ONE CONTRACT WITH THE CMR. SO, OPTION B HAS THE PROGRAM MANAGER WHO AGAIN IS A COUNTY EMPLOYEE.
THEN THE CMRR THERE MANAGES THE ENGINEER, CONSTRUCTION CONTRACTORS, ET CETERA, AND ARE CONTRACTED BY THE COUNTY. BUT IT'S NOT JUST -- IT'S AN INDIVIDUAL KIND OF BLOCK ON HERE BUT THINK OF THE CAPACITY WITHIN A FIRM THAT YOU HAVE FROM CMR. IT MULTIPLIES THAT CAPACITY OUT.
HERE THE PROGRAM MANAGER WOULD SPEC THE PROJECTS OUT. WE'D CONTRACT THE ENGINEER FIRMS, THE CONTRACTORS, THE RIGHT-OF-WAY ACQUISITION, CEI AND ISSUE RFPS AND QS FOLLOWING STATE STAT YOU'D UTES. MY SUGGESTION AND OPTION WOULD BE OPTION 2. BRAVO WOULD BE MY PICK. BUT, AGAIN,
JUST LOOKING FOR DISCUSSION AND WHAT YOU ALL WOULD LIKE TO DO. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: QUESTIONS BE
COMMENTS? I LIKE HOWARD'S ANALYSIS ON THAT. >> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: I
SUPPORT THAT. >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: I CAN SUPPORT THAT AS WELL.
>> OKAY WAIT A MINUTE. 2A -- SO 2A IS LESS INTENSIVE WITHIN THE STAFF. I MEAN, AGAIN, I MEAN, IT IS FOR DISCUSSION. CRIMINAL BOWL I LIKE 2A BEST I THINK. WHAT I SEE HAPPENING HERE ON 2B IS OUR STAFF IS INVOLVED IN A LOT OF DIFFERENT PIECES AND PARTS HERE. YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T GET THE RFQ BECAUSE SOMEBODY STUB THEIR TOE AND DIDN'T GET IT OUT IN TIME AND THAT KIND OF STUFF. WE
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STILL HAVE THE SAME KIND OF CONTROL OVER BOTH PROCESSES DON'T WE?>> NO. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE IN CONTROL?
>> WITH A YOU HAVE NO CONTROL WHATSOEVER OVER THE HIRING OF THE ENGINEER CONTRACTOR CIE, ET CETERA. THE ONLY PERSON YOU HAVE CONTROL OVER IS WILL RETAIN THE CMR. THAT'S YOUR ONE
CONTRACT AND THAT'S IT. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: WE NEED TO HAVE CONTROL OVER THE SPECS OF THE PROJECT. WHAT I AM CONCERNED WITH IS ONCE WE LOCK THIS UP WE CAN'T BE FOOLING AROUND CHANGING THE SCOPE. THAT'S ALWAYS A KILLER HERE WITH CONTRACTORS.
>> AND COST MONEY >> I MEAN, AS YOU KNOW THERE WILL BE VALUE, YOU KNOW, WE
WON'T BE ABLE TO CONTROL THAT. >> BUT CHANGE ORDERS COST MONEY. THAT'S THE BOTTOM LINE. WE
CAN'T CHANGE THE SPECS. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: YOU CAN'T CHANGE IT PERIOD. THAT'S IT.
CAN WE DO THAT? MR. ENGINEER? CAN YOU WRITE A SPEC TIGHT ENOUGH THAT YOU GET THE RIGHT
JOB AND YOU GOT THREE YEARS? >> ARE WE TALKING ABOUT THE ENGINEERING FIRM FIRST? BECAUSE THAT'S THE FIRST THING THAT YOU ARE GOING TO SPEC. AND, YOU KNOW, TRY TO CONTROL THAT. WHICH IF WE TURN IT OVER TO A MANAGER AT RISK I WOULD ASSUME WE WOULD GIVE THEM THE LIST OF THINGS THAT WE WANT TO SEE ACCOMPLISHED ON THE ROADWAY. HE'LL GO OUT AND HIRE AN ENGINEERING FIRM TO DO THAT. YOU CAN WRITE A FAIRLY TIGHT SPEC BUT WITH ALL PROJECTS, YOU KNOW, FIVE TO TEN PERCENT COST OVERRUN IS ALMOST STANDARD. ONCE YOU SPLIT THE GROUND, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU ARE
REBUILDING THE ROAD, YOU'VE GOT THOSE THINGS -- >> COMM
>> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: YOU GET SURPRISES. >> I GUESS DALE IF YOU GO WITH OPTION A, IT'S GOING TO BE THE CMR THAT'S HANDLING ALL THE SPECS FOR THE RFPS OR RFQS
INFORM THE ENGINEER. >> RIGHT. WE WOULD GIVE THEM BASICALLY OUR REQUIREMENTS ON THE ROADWAYS AFTER WE PICK THE ROADWAYS. AND THEN IT WOULD BE UP TO THE CMR TO HIRE THE ENGINEERING FIRM TO CARRY OUT THE DESIGN FOR THAT THEN IT WOULD BE BID FOR CONTRACTOR TO
CARRY OUT THE CONSTRUCTION OF WHAT THE ENGINEERING FIRM BID. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: BUT THE PROGRAM MANAGER WOULD HAVE DIRECT AUTHORITY OVER THE CMR TO SAY THESE ARE THE THINGS THE COUNTY REQUIRES. AND THE ABILITY TO VERIFY THEY WERE GETTING DONE RIGHT.
>> WE'D BASICALLY DEVELOP A SCOPE OF SERVICES FOR EACH OF THESE PROJECTS. IN OTHER WORDS WE WANT, YOU KNOW, FOUR 12-FOOT LANES, A BICYCLE PATH, THE SIDEWALKS. GIVE THEM WHAT OUR MINIMUM CRITERIA IS. BECAUSE, I MEAN, THERE ARE D.O.T. STANDARDS. BUT THE STANDARDS
DON'T NECESSARILY COVER ALL THE DESIGN FEATURES. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: DALE, YOU HAVE WORKED WITH BOTH OF THESE IN THE PAST, WHICH DO YOU PREFER?
>> I'VE NEVER WORKED WITH EITHER ONE OF THESE. BY THE TIME I LEFT THE CITY OF JACKSONVILLE THEY BASICALLY DID WHAT YOU SEE ON THE BRAVO SIDE WITH THEIR BETTER JACKSONVILLE PLAN. THEY HAD TWO MANAGERS. ONE FOR THEIR NORTH SIDE OF THE RIVER AND ONE FOR THE SOUTH SIDE. BUT THEY ENGAGED ALL THE ENGINEERING FIRMS AND ALL THE CONTRACTORS AND THE CMR JUST MANAGED THE
FLOW OF WORK AND MANAGED ALL OF THAT. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: OKAY.
>> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: WHAT I AM TRYING TO AVOID IS WHEN WE RUN OUT OF HORSEPOWER TO GET THE JOB DONE, A BIG ENGINEERING FIRM CAN PULL MORE PEOPLE IN JUST FOR, SAY, SIX MONTHS TO A YEAR. WE'RE STILL OUT TRYING TO HIRE ONE GUY. THEY'VE GOT THE ABILITY TO DO THAT. AND THAT'S WHAT THIS REALLY BUYS US. IT BUYS US A BIG BENCH AND A LOT OF DEPTH SO WE GET THE THING DOWN. THAT'S MY
BIGGEST CONCERN. >> COMMISSIONER CELLA: WE CAN GET THAT WITH EITHER 2A OR B.
THE PROBLEM WITH 2B IF YOU HAVE THE PROGRAM MANAGER DOING ALL THE THINGS IN TERMS OF SPECCING OUT PROJECTS AND ALL THAT STUFF, THAT PERSON BETTER HAVE A 60 OR 80-HOUR WORKWEEK AHEAD OF THEM.
THEN WE GET INTO A SITUATION WHERE WE HAVE MULTIPLE PEOPLE WHEREAS IF WE DEAL WITH A CONTRACT MANAGER AT RISK AS YOU INDICATE THEY HAVE TO PONY UP THE PEOPLE AND THE PERCENT UNTIL TO DO IT. I THINK WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THAT AT THE INFRASTRUCTURE MEETING ON TUESDAY LAST I
THOUGHT WE HAD ZEROED IN ON 2A BECAUSE OF THAT. >> IN THE BETTER JACKSONVILLE PLAN, THEY HAD THEIR PROGRAM MANAGER PARTICIPATE IN ALL THE THINGS THAT WERE IN THE BOX ON THE LEFT-HAND SIDE UNDER, YOU KNOW, 2B. IT WASN'T LIKE THE COUNTY EMPLOYEE DEVELOPED IT BY HIMSELF. HE HAD THE PARTICIPATION -- THE FIRST THING YOU DO IS HIRE THE PROGRAM
MANAGER. >> COMMISSIONER CELLA: I AGREE. I THINK THAT'S THE WAY WE ALL THOUGHT THAT WE WERE MOVING IN TERMS OF THAT DIRECTION. SO WE ADD THE BEST OF BOTH WORLDS.
SOMEBODY THAT WAS ON STAFF ABLE TO WORK WITH THEM TO MAKE SURE WE GOT WHAT WE NEEDED BUT THEY WERE ABLE TO BRING ADDITIONAL RESOURCES WHEN WE NEEDED IT THEN BE ABLE TO CUT BACK WHEN WE
DIDN'T NEED THEM. >> AND I THINK FROM THE PROCUREMENT GROUP THEY JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE FIVE OF YOU UNDERSTAND THAT YOU -- IF YOU GO WITH A, YOU WON'T HAVE
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THE SAY IN SELECTING THE CONTRACTOR ENGINEER. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: I DON'T REALLY CARE AS LONG AS I GET THE RIGHT ANSWER. HERE'S THE ROAD THE WAY YOU WANT IT. THAT'S THE
ANSWER. >> COMMISSIONER CELLA: I WOULD THINK THAT'S PART OF THE EXPERTISE WE'RE HIRING IS TO TELL US IN TERMS OF HELP US WITH SOME OF THE SPECS AND BID TIMING AND WHETHER THERE'S TWO PROJECTS THAT SHOULD BE BID AT THE SAME TIME BECAUSE THERE'S GOING TO BE ECONOMIES OF SCALE AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS WHERE IF WE HAVE A PROGRAM MANAGER RESPONSIBLE FOR DOING ALL THAT. ONCE THAT WORK STARTS HOW IS THAT ONE PERSON SUPPOSED TO OVERSEE ALL
OF THOSE THINGS GOING ON? THAT'S THE QUESTION I HAVE. >> I THINK A CONCERN COMMISSIONERS WAS ON THE LAST BONDING PROJECT PERHAPS RIGHT-OF-WAY ACQUISITION REALLY WASN'T DONE CORRECTLY. WE OVER PAID AS A COUNTY. IF THAT WAS THE CASE -- TO ME, I WOULD WANT MORE CONTROL, RIGHT, ON IT. SO THAT'S, YOU KNOW, WHEN I LOOK AT B. BUT, I MEAN, WE COULD DO A HYBRID OF A/B. IF I CAN'T HIRE SOMEBODY IN THE PROGRAM MANAGER POSITION GUESS WHAT WE'RE GOING
MODIFIED A. I'M IT AND THAT'S THAT. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: YOU GOT
EXPERIENCE IN THIS AREA. >> SO I THINK IF IT'S OKAY WE'RE STILL GOING TO PURSUE WHAT WE'RE DOING. WE'RE HIRING THAT PROJECT MANAGER. AND WE'RE GETTING THE PAPERWORK READY FOR THE CMR AND WE'LL PROCEED THAT WAY. AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, WHEN I LOOK AT IT LET'S SEE WHAT WE GET. AT THAT POINT. AND THEN MAYBE WE CA MAKE THE DECISION ON THE DUTIES AND RESPONSIBILITIES FROM
THERE. >> COMMISSIONER CELLA: CAN WE HEAR FROM MIKE PRICE IN TERMS OF
THE RIGHT-OF-WAY AND WHETHER OR NOT WE OVERPAID. >> I WANT TO MAKE SOMETHING CLEAR HERE. BECAUSE IT'S BEEN TOSSED OUT A COUPLE OF TIMES IN STAFF DISCUSSIONS AND WITH DISCUSSIONS WITH SEVERAL COMMISSIONERS THAT THE RIGHT-OF-WAY PROCESS KIND OF WENT OFF THE TRACKS THE LAST TIME WE WERE HERE. NONE OF THE STAFF THAT ARE REPRESENTING AND FLOATING THOSE OPINIONS TO YOU WERE HERE WHEN WE DID THAT. THOSE PROJECTS PRODUCED A $22 MILLION SAVING OVER TIME AND WE DID NOT OVERPAY FOR RIGHT-OF-WAY. WE DID NOT
OVERPAY FOR RIGHT-OF-WAY. >> COMMISSIONER CELLA: AND THAT WAS WITH US DOING ALL THE
BIDBID BUILD BIDDING? >> WE HANDLED THE RIGHT-OF-WAY
IN-HOUSE. >> NO, NOT ON HENDLEY. OR NOT ON THE OTHER BONDING PROJECT.
>> NOT ON ANY OF THE THREE BONDING PROJECTS. >> SO YOU RETAINED AN ENGINEER THEN YOU HAD THE ENGINEER TAKE CARE OF HIRING SOMEONE TO DO THE RIGHT-OF-WAY
ACQUISITION. >> THAT'S CORRECT. >> BUT WHAT HOWARD AND I WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT, DEPENDING ON WHICH OPTION YOU CHOOSE, RIGHT-OF-WAY ACQUISITION MAY NOT
BE A BIG PART OF THIS. >> GOOD POINT. >> SO I WILL PROCEED DOWN THE PATH OF A IN THIS DISCUSSION. THEN IF I NEED TO MODIFY IN SOME WAY OR IF I SEE THAT IT'S NOT GOING THE RIGHT WAY I WILL COME BACK TO THE BOARD AND LET YOU KNOW.
>> COMMISSIONER CELLA: YOU WILL BE ABLE TO SEE IN TWO WEEKS WHETHER OR NOT WE HAVE ANYMORE INTEREST OR IF WE'VE CORRECTED THE LISTING TO TRY TO ATTRACT PEOPLE OR WHATEVER THE CASE MAY
BE. >> YES, SIR. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: ARE YOU GOOD
WITH A? >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: YEAH I'M HAPPY WITH A.
>> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: CAN WE JUST DO THAT BY CONSENSUS OR DO WE NEED A VOTE.
>> WE JUST NEED DIRECTION. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: ALL RIGHT. BY CONSENSUS OF THE COMMISSIONERS WE'LL LET HOWARD PROCEED WITH A UNTIL SUCH TIME THAT IT FALLS APART.
OUT OF HERE TONIGHT. ITEM 11. MILTON TOWN. ARE YOU AWAKE BACK THERE BUDDY? COME UP AND TALK TO
[11. Discussion of Franchising of Solid Waste Collection Services Ordinance (M. Towns)]
US ABOUT THE FRANCHISING OF SOLID WASTE. >> GO FROM ROADS TO TRASH [LAUGHTER] I THINK IN TALKING WITH COUNTY MANAGER THERE'S BEEN SOME DISCUSSION WITH CERTAINLY WITH ME AND I THINK WITH SOME COMMISSIONERS FROM SOME C & D HAULERS WHO WOULD LIKE TO DO BUSINESS IN CLAY COUNTY. SO, WE'LL TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO KIND OF REVIEW OUR PROCESS AND KIND OF LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHY WE FRANCHISE AND WHY THAT IS IMPORTANT TO US. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THIS, OF COURSE, IS STILL A POLICY DECISION AT THE END. AND, YOU KNOW, I'LL POINT THAT OUT WHEN WE -- I'LL LET YOU DRIVE. SO A LITTLE BACKGROUND. SOLID WASTE FRANCHISES. I'M GOING TO GO BACK A LITTLE BIT WHEN WE WERE HERE A YEAR AGO AND TALKED SOME ABOUT THIS WHEN WE WERE GOING THROUGH THE SOLICITATION PROCESS, THIS
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WASN'T PART OF THAT PRESENTATION. BUT FLORIDA STATUTES REQUIRE THAT THE COUNTY MUST PROVIDE FOR THE OPERATION OF SOLID WASTE DISPOSAL FACILITIES THAT ARE ADEQUATE TO HANDLE ALL OF THE WASTE GENERATED WITHIN THE COUNTY BOTH INCORPORATED AND UNINCORPORATED.SO THAT'S A MANDATE FROM THE STATE. WE HAVE TO BUILD IT WHETHER IT COMES OR NOT. WE HAVE TO HAVE THE CAPACITY. SO, IN THE 1980S I DON'T REMEMBER EXACTLY WHAT YEAR THERE WAS A BIG DEAL. IT WAS KNOWN AS THE CAR BONE DECISION. PRIOR TO THAT ACROSS THE COUNTRY SOLID WASTE, A LOT OF JURISDICTIONS, THEY WERE DIRECTING THEIR WASTE. AND THE CAR BONE DECISION DEALT THAT YOU CAN'T DO THAT. THIS IS THE FEDERAL COURTS RULED THAT SOLID WASTE WAS INTER-STATE COMMERCE AND SO THAT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT OVERRODE WAS FLORIDA'S LAW WHICH ALLOWED LOCAL COMMUNITIES TO CONTROL WHERE THEIR WASTE WENT. WE CALL THAT FLOW CONTROL. SO, LOCAL COMMUNITIES COULD HAVE ORDINANCES AND COULD HAVE RULES THAT SAID YOU GENERATE THE WASTE HERE IT HAS TO GO HERE. WELL THE FEDERAL COURTS OVERRULED THAT AND MADE THAT PART OF THE FLORIDA LAW DISALLOWED. SO NOW COUNTIES ARE IN A TOUGH SPOT. WE HAVE TO HAVE FACILITIES ABLE TO HANDLE EVERYTHING. BUT WE DON'T HAVE A MECHANISM TO ASSURE THAT WASTE COMES THROUGH THE GATE. SO WHAT DO COUNTIES DO? WE KNOW THAT SOLID WASTE FACILITIES ARE MULTI-MILLION DOLLAR INVESTMENTS. AND THE COSTS FOR MAINTAINING THOSE, ESPECIALLY IF IT IS A LANDFILL, IT GOES ON FOREVER. YOU KNOW, THERE'S ACTIVE MANAGEMENT AND TESTING AND WELLS AND THINGS LIKE THAT FOR 20 AND 30 YEARS. BUT AFTER THAT YOU'RE STILL RESPONSIBLE FOR ANYTHING THAT HAPPENS SURROUNDING THAT LANDFILL. SO, COUNTIES WERE FORCED TO GET OUT OF THE BUSINESS OR FIND THEIR WAY AROUND THIS FLOW CONTROL THAT THEY LOST. SO A LOT OF METHODS WERE COME UP WITH. THE MOST COMMON WERE SOME COUNTIES WENT COMPLETELY PRIVATIZED. THEY GOT OUT OF THE LANDFILL THE PRIVATE SECTOR HANDLE IT. T- PROS AND CONS TO THAT. THE PRIVATE SECTOR OWNS YOUR WHOLE DISPOSAL OPERATION. THEY CAN PRICE IT AT WHAT THEY WANT TO PRICE IT AT. SO, THERE WERE DISPOSAL ASSESSMENTS ON COMMERCIAL WASTE. WHICH IS WHAT FLOW CONTROL DID. OR A LOT OF IT WAS FRANCHISES. FRANCHISE AGREEMENTS. SO, IN 1990 CLAY COUNTY INSTITUTED ITS SOLID WASTE FRANCHISING AND COLLECTION ORDINANCE. THE COUNTY CHOSE THE FRANCHISING OPTION. SO, FRANCHISE AGREEMENT THEN IS A CONTRACT WITH THAT HAULER WHO WISHES TO DO BUSINESS AND PART OF THAT DOING BUSINESS IS YOU ARE GOING TO HAUL YOUR WASTE TO A DESIGNATED DISPOSAL FACILITY.
THAT BEING THE COUNTY'S FACILITY. THEREFORE IT HELPED PROTECT THAT WASTE FLOW AND, THEREFORE, THE FUNDING IN THE FACILITY. YOU KNOW WE'RE SOLID WASTE ENTERPRISE FUND SO WE'RE FUNDED THROUGH OUR FEES. WE'RE NOT FUNDED THROUGH AD VALOREM TAXES TAXES. SO, WITHOUT THE WASTE COMING, WE DON'T HAVE THE REVENUE. SO THAT'S KIND OF A HISTORY, A LITTLE BIT OF KIND OF HOW WE GOT TO A FRANCHISING ORDINANCE OR PART OF IT. AND I'VE REALLY TALKED ABOUT FLOW CONTROL. THERE ARE OTHER REASONS AS WELL. FRANCHISES, ORDINANCE ACCOMPLISH, THEY ALLOW THE COUNTY TO SHARE HIGH QUALITY SERVICES PROVIDING TO ITS RESIDENTS BY KNOWING WHO IS DOING BUSINESS AND HAVING SOME CONTROL THERE. THE FRANCHISE ESTABLISHES CUSTOMER SERVICE AND EQUIPMENT STANDARDS FOR THE HAULERS. SO, THERE'S SOME MINIMUM STANDARDS THEY HAVE TO HAVE. IT ENSURES THAT WASTE IS DISPOSED OF PROPERLY. SO, THIS IS TO PROTECT OUR GROUNDWATER AND THE ENVIRONMENT. IT ALSO PROTECTS US FROM SOME OF OUR RESPONSIBILITY. BECAUSE BY THE STATE WE ARE TO ASSURE THAT IT'S DISPOSED OF PROPERLY. AND IF WE DON'T HAVE SOME CONTROL OVER DIRECTING THAT, WE'RE NOT -- WE HAVE LITTLE ASSURANCE THAT IT'S BEING HANDLED PROPERLY. AS I SAID, IT CERTAINLY DIRECTS WASTE THROUGH FRANCHISE AGREEMENTS TO SUPPORT THE FACILITY'S OPERATIONAL COST. SO, IN TALKING TO OUR REGULATION AUTHORITY WE DO THAT. IT'S ORDINANCE 9024. SO, THIS ORDINANCE IS APPLICABLE TO BOTH RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL. SO, OUR CURBSIDE CONTRACT, A LOT OF THAT IS GOVERNED UNDER THIS
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FRANCHISE ORDINANCE AS WELL. IT IS ESTABLISHES RULES FOR PROPER WASTE COLLECTION, TRANSPORTATION AND DISPOSAL. SO THAT'S IN A NUTSHELL WHAT THE ORDINANCE DOES. FROM THE CUSTOMER, THERE ARE RESTRICTIONS ON, YOU KNOW, IF YOU THINK ESPECIALLY CURBSIDE TYPE RESENT TAE CALS, CUSTOMERS ARE REQUIRED TO SEPARATE WASTE PROPERLY. THERE'S CERTAIN WASTE THAT CAN'T BE MIXED. OR IT'S JUST DANGEROUS. THERE ARE PROHIBITIONS. PRIMARILY THOSE CONCERNING BURNING GARBAGE, HOW YOU HANDLE HAZARDOUS WASTE OR BIOMEDICAL WASTE BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT THAT TO COME THROUGH OUR NORMAL WASTE STREAM. THAT NEEDS TO BE HANDLED APPROPRIATELY. FOR THE FRANCHISEE OR THE CONTRACTORS, AS STATED WE HAVE OUR MINIMUM STANDARDS FOR CUSTOMER SERVICE AND EQUIPMENT. WE HAVE IN THERE LIMITS ON THE COLLECTION TIMES AND NOISE LIMITATIONS THAT THEY CAN MAKE IN RESIDENTIAL AREAS SO WE'RE COMMERCIAL AREAS ABUT RESIDENTIAL AREAS WE SAY THEY CAN'T DUMP THAT COMMERCIAL DUMPSTER UNTIL 7:00 A.M. THEY CAN'T BE BANGING THAT CAN AT 5:00 A.M. WAKING THE RESIDENIAL AREAS UP. AND THERE ARE REPORTING REQUIREMENTS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT TOO ALONG WITH THE FRANCHISE FEES. SO, KIND OF WHERE WE ARE AS AN UPDATE. HISTORICALLY AND YOU MAY REMEMBER THIS, THE COUNTY GRANTED UP TO 15 FRANCHISES.FROM 1990 UNTIL EARLIER THIS YEAR OR LAST YEAR NOW, IN 2019 THERE WERE MAXIMUM OF 15 FRANCHISES. THAT WAS DEEMED -- THAT'S SEEMED AN APPROPRIATE NUMBER. IF LOOKING AT HISTORY WE RAN BETWEEN 12-15 DURING THOSE YEARS. CURRENTLY WE'RE AT 16. SO, WHEN WE SOLICITED FOR FRANCHISE APPLICATION THE LAST TIME WE DID THAT I CAME TO THE BOARD AND WE DID THAT IN DECEMBER OF '18. APPLICATIONS WERE DUE JANUARY 30TH OF '19. WE DISTRIBUTED 20 APPLICATIONS.
SO, 20 PEOPLE THAT HAD CONTACTED OUR OFFICE, THE COUNTY AND SAID WE'RE INTERESTED. SO WE MADE SURE WE MAILED FRANCHISES TO THOSE 20 THAT WE KNEW OF THEN WE ADVERTISED IT ON THE WEBSITE AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. WE RECEIVED FOUR APPLICATIONS. AND THEN UP THOSE FOUR WE ENDED UP THE EVALUATION COMMITTEE RECOMMENDED TO YOU, I CAME BEFORE YOU AND SAID WE RECOMMEND OFFERING FRANCHISES TO THESE THREE HAULERS. SO IT WAS ONE HAULER THAT WE DIDN'T FEEL MET THE REQUIREMENTS THROUGH THE APPLICATION PROCESS. OF OUR FRANCHISES, OF THOSE 16, THE LARGEST 5 IN THE AMOUNT OF BUSINESS THEY DO CONTROL 88% OF THE WORK THAT'S DONE UNDER THE FRANCHISES. SO THE OTHERS ARE FIGHTING OVER THE REMAINING 12%. AND WHEN I SAY "WORK" I'M TALKING NUMBER OF POOLS, NUMBER OF BOXES, TIMES THEY COME AND DUMP. I FOUND THAT KIND OF SURPRISING. I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE SPLIT MORE EVENLY THAN THAT. THE REVENUE IS NOT INSIGNIFICANT. FRANCHISE REVENUE IT'S BASICALLY ONE-AND-A-HALF MILLION FOR LAST YEAR. THAT WAS 13 PERCENT OF OUR TOTAL REVENUE FOR THE DISPOSAL OPERATIONS. IF YOU ADD IN THE TIFF FEES FOR THOSE FRANCHISED HAULERS WITH THEIR FRANCHISE REVENUE THESE FRANCHISES OR FRANCHISEES ARE NOW CONTRIBUTE 37% OF OUR TOTAL REVENUES. AND WITHOUT THE FRANCHISE WOULD MOST OF THE WASTE STILL COME TO US? I THINK YES. BUT EVERYTHING THAT WENT ELSEWHERE WOULD BE A LOSS OF REVENUE AND AT SOME POINT ENOUGH WASTE GOES AWAY YOU HAVE TO RAISE YOUR RATES ON WHAT REMAINS TO COVER YOUR COSTS WHICH DRIVES EVEN MORE WASTE AWAY IF YOU BECOME UNCOMPETITIVE.
>> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: I'M KIND OF LOST A LITTLE BIT HERE. THESE FRANCHISE HAULERS ARE JUST FOR
COMMERCIAL STUFF? >> YES, SIR, COMMERCIAL. BECAUSE YOU CAN CONSIDER FRANCHISE HAULER FOR RESIDENTIAL. YOU KNOW, THERE ARE SINGLE RESIDENTIAL HAULERS BUT THIS IS
FOR COMMERCIAL BUSINESS. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: THE REASON ONE BUSINESS WOULD GO TO
ONE HAULER AS OPPOSED TO ANOTHER WOULD BE FOR SERVICE OR COST? >> YES. OR COMBINATION OF THE
TWO. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: DO WE GOT A PRETTY GOOD IDEA WHAT THAT IS?
>> IT DEPENDS WHAT THE SERVICE IS. WE'RE TALKING FROM A FRONT LOAD DUMPSTER ONCE A WEEK TO A ROLLOFF DAN. AND IT DEPENDS ON THE WASTE THEY HAUL. SO, I CAN'T SIT HERE AND TELL WHAT YOU
AN AVERAGE COST PER CUSTOMER WOULD BE. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: THEN THE
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STUFF THAT THE COMMERCIAL HAULERS ARE BRINGING YOU, IS REGULATED SOMEHOW? WE DON'T TAKEMEDICAL WASTE. >> RIGHT. SO, THEY'RE BRINGING US EITHER MUNICIPAL SOLID WASTE WHICH THEY CAN'T HAVE TIRES AND MEDICAL WASTE AND HAZARDOUS WASTE IN THERE OR IT'S
CONSTRUCTION AND DEMOLITION DEBRIS. >> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: MR. CHAIR I ASKED SOME OF THESE QUESTIONS AND I GET BASICALLY IN A NUTSHELL WE REGULATE SOLID WASTE. GOT IT. WHAT I AM SAYING IS IF THEY NEED THE CRITERIA THAT WE REGULATE LET'S OPEN UP THE LIST AND MAKE IT COMPETITIVE. WE BELIEVE IN FREE MARKETS. IF THEY CAN COMPETE BASED ON OUR REGULATIONS, LET'S LET THEM. THAT'S IN A NUTSHELL WHAT I LIKE TO SEE HAPPEN. I GET ALL THE REASONS FOR HAVING REGULATION. IF WE WANT TO DIRECT THEM TO OUR LANDFILL, THAT CAN BE PART OF OUR APPLICATION PROCESS. BUT IF THEY MEET THE CRITERIA TO GET INTO THE UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA LET'S LET THEM GET INTO THE UNIVERSITY. LET'S NOT SAY WE'RE ONLY LETTING
FIVE PEOPLE IN THERE HERE. >> COMMISSIONER CELLA: THE QUESTION I WAS GOING TO ASK IS WHAT ADVANTAGES ARE THERE TO MINIMIZING BECAUSE THEY DON'T THINK THERE'S ENOUGH BUSINESS TO
GO AROUND? >> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: EITHER WAY THAT'S THE FREE MARKET.
>> COMMISSIONER CELLA: I UNDERSTAND. BUT I'M ASKING MILTON.
>> CERTAINLY THAT'S PART OF THE THOUGHT. AGAIN IF WE'VE GOT FIVE HAULERS TOTALLY DOMINATE THE MARKET WE'VE ALREADY GOT ANOTHER 11 FRANCHISEES TRYING TO GET THE REMAINING PIECE. AND NOW THIS DOESN'T TALK ABOUT THE, YOU KNOW, THE CONSTRUCTION COMPANY THAT HAULS THEIR OWN. A LOT OF DOING THAT TO NOT HAVE TO PAY A CONTRACTOR. BUT SOET AT WHAT POINT DOES THAT GET TO. I UNDERSTAND LET THE MARKET FIGURE OUT IF PEOPLE LIVE OR DIE OR CUSTOMERS FAIL, IT IS A RISK OF DOING BUSINESS AND THERE'S A LOT OF TRUTH IN THAT. THIS OH OTHER END, THE REASON WE'RE GETTING CONTACTED SO MUCH RIGHT NOW AND WE'VE BEEN CONTACTED BY 13 IN THE LAST YEAR AND A LOT OF THEM ARE NEW COMPANIES OR NEW TO THE AREA. I'M NOT TALKING CLAY COUNTY COMPANIES. MOST OF THESE COMPANIES ARE BASED IN JACKSONVILLE. THEY'RE ROLL OFF COMPANIES DOING TEMPORARY ROLL OFFS. THEY'RE CONSTRUCTION DEBRIS. AND THAT MARKET IS DIRECTLY TIED TO THE ECONOMY AND THE HOUSING MARKET. SO, WHEN THERE IS A DIP WHENEVER THAT IS IT'S GOING TO IMPACT THESE COMPANIES. AND AT WHAT POINT DOES THAT MEAN THEY CAN'T SERVE US?
>> COMMISSIONER CELLA: WELL IF THEY CAN'T SERVE US-- >> RIGHT. THAT IS PART OF IT. I DON'T KNOW THAT -- I THINK BASED ON WHAT THE WORK THAT OUR CURRENT FRANCHISES ARE DOING I THINK IT'S NOT A LACK OF -- THERE IS NOT A LACK OF SERVICE TO RESIDENTS WHO NEED A DUMPSTER OR A BUSINESS THAT NEEDS A DUMPSTER OR NEEDS -- THEY'RE DOING A REMODELING JOB AND YOU NEED ONE YOURSELF. I THINK WITH 16 FRANCHISES WE HAVE PLENTY OF SERVICE. WE GOT TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE HANDLING THINGS PROPERLY AND DON'T HAVE OIL SPILLING IN THEIR YARD AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. THE COMMITTEE RECOMMENDED THAT BE DIDN'T DO ONE OF THOSE. AND THAT IS VERY LABOR-INTENSIVE BUT I THINK IT'S IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE COMMUNITY TO MAKE SURE THESE ARE BUSINESSES THAT ARE DOING THINGS THE RIGHT WAY. AND THEY'RE NOT ONES THAT WE WORRY ABOUT
ENVIRONMENT ISSUES WITH. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: WHAT'S THE CASE FOR LIMITING IT? THAT
YOU DON'T HAVE ENOUGH MANPOWER TO VISIT EVERYBODY? >> WE HAVE THE CAPACITY TO SO KEEP UP WITH MORE. IT'S REALLY UP TO THE BOARD. WHAT I'M SAYING IS I'M NOT SEEING THERE'S AN
UNMET NEED. >> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: IT'S NOT THE UNMET NEED IT'S JUST IF A BUSINESS WANTS TO COMPETE, A SMALL BUSINESS OWNER COMES TO ME AND SAYS I CAN'T COMPETE IN CLAY COUNTY UNLESS YOU GIVE THE BLESSING. THAT'S FUNDAMENTALLY AGAINST CENTRAL PLANNING. I
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THINK WE SHOULD REGULATE IT BUT I ALSO THINK WE SHOULD BE ALLOWED SOMEONE IF THEY MEET THE CRITERIA. IF THEY MEET THE CRITERIA LET THEM DO BUSINESS IN CLAY COUNTY. IF THEY FAIL THAT'SON THEM. >> I DON'T THINK WE'RE ASKING IF WE MOVE FORWARD WITH LETTING
EVERYBODY IN THAT WE REDUCE OUR STANDARDS. >> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: DON'T LIMIT TO A CERTAIN NUMBER AND TO CERTAIN TIMEFRAMES WHEN THEY CAN AND CAN'T APPLY. OR EVEN IF YOU HAD LIKE A BIANNUAL APPLICATION PROCESS. IF THE BOARD ALLOWS TO MAKE IT WITH NO LIMITATIONS I WOULD ASK THE BOARD ALLOW US TO COME UP WITH A CALENDAR WHERE WE GET SOME APPLICATION PERIODS. EH WE TREATED THIS VERY MUCH LIKE AN RFP EVALUATION COMMITTEE. AND IT INCLUDED PEOPLE FROM OTHER DEPARTMENTS SO IT WASN'T ONLY THE SOLID WASTE FOLKS WHO MAY HAVE RELATIONSHIPS WITH SOME OF ALREADY CUSTOMERS BECAUSE THEY MAY BE DOING BUSINESS IN ORANGE PARK WHICH WE DON'T FRANCHISE.
SO WE WANTED THAT TO MAKE IT A MORE FAIR COMMITTEE. >> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: IF THE COST OF THE APPLICATION PROCESS BECAUSE OF THE MANPOWER NEEDED TO REGULATE IS THERE, THEN INCREASE THE COSTS TO MAKE IT IN KEEPING WITH FEES THAT -- THE THING THAT'S JUST FRUSTRATING TO ME IS WHEN WE SAY SORRY YOU MEET ALL THE REQUIREMENTS BUT WE JUST HAVE A LIST AND WE CAN'T DO 17 BECAUSE WE ONLY HAVE 16. THAT'S THE THING THAT I HAVE AN ISSUE WITH.
>> COMMISSIONER CELLA: DO THE OTHER COUNTIES HAVE OPEN ENROLLMENT OR DO THEY PUT A
NUMBER ON IT? >> COUNTIES DO THINGS SO DIFFERENT. SOME LIMIT IT AND LIMIT IT TO A WHOLE LOT NEWER THAN WE DO. OTHERS HAVE BASICALLY THE, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY EVERY YEAR TO APPLY AND THEY DO IT ON ONCE A YEAR THING. OTHERS DO IT BASICALLY THEY DON'T -- IN MY OPINION THEY DON'T DO A LOT OF VETTING THEY JUST BASICALLY ALL
THE LINES ON THE APPLICATION ARE FILLED OUT. >> COMMISSIONER CELLA: I LIKE THE VETTING AND MAKE SURE EVERYBODY ADD HERES TO THE STANDARDS BUT I'M TAKING
COMMISSIONER ROLLINS STANCE. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: WHAT KIND OF FEE DO WE CHARGE TO GO
INSPECT MR. SOPRANO'S OPERATION? >> THE APPLICATION FEE IS $250. >> THAT'S PRETTY GOOD.
COMMISSION CELLA DO YOU WANT TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION IN HOW OFTEN WE DO THAT IN TERMS OF REOPENING OR MAKING THE APPBLY CASING FOR A TWO YEAR OR ONE YEAR PERIOD AND THEY JUST PAY
FOR A SECOND YEAR. TELL ME WHAT YOUR THOUGHTS ARE. >> WELL IN LISTENING TO THE BOARD, I MEAN, OUR FRANCHISE AGREEMENTS WE DO IN A THREE YEAR TERM. SO, ADDING IN THE NEW ONES WE DID THEM A LITTLE LESS THAN THREE SO -- IS ALL THE CONTRACTS COULD BE AT THE SAME TIME. I WOULD LIKE TO STAY TO THAT. WHICH MEANS IF WE DID FRANCHISES THIS YEAR WE WOULD
SHORTEN THE ORIGINAL TERM. >> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: I'M OPEN AS LONG AS ANYBODY WHO
APPLIES CAN. >> I THINK IF WE DID IT IN LISTENING TO THE BOARD ANNUALLY I'M VERY COMFORTABLE WITH. IF THE BOARD WANTS US TO DO IT TWICE A WEEK, WE CAN MAKE THAT
HAPPEN. >> COMMISSIONER CELLA: I THINK YEARLY WOULD BE FINE. IF SOMEBODY CAME IN THIS YEAR THEY WOULD ONLY GET A CERTAIN LENGTH. DEPENDING ON--
>> WITH THE IDEA THEY WOULD HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR RENEWAL. >> MR. CHAIR. REAL QUICK. I WANT MILTON TO ADDRESS THIS IF HE WON'T MIND. I THINK THE REASON FOR THE LIMIT WAS ROSEMARY HILL CAPACITY. SO, THERE'S RULES AND REGULATIONS WITH REGARDS TO LANDFILLS AND DUMPING AND THINGS LIKE THAT. AND I THINK THE LIMITING FACTOR WAS THAT'S WHY THAT WAS THERE. AND THESE COMPANIES GO TO EACH COUNTY AND LOOK AT THE TIPPING FEES. I WOULD LIKE MILT JOB TO EXPLAIN WHAT OUR CURRENT TIPPING FEES ARE AS COMPARED TO THE SURROUNDING COUNTIES FINANCIAL WHEN YOU OPEN THIS UP WHEN HE WOULD ANTICIPATE HAPPENING ON THESE APPLICATIONS?
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>> THEY'RE PAYING US 14 PERCENT OF THEIR GROSS RECEIPTS. THAT'S TO LEVEL OUT THE FRANCHISE FEE TO GIVE THEM BENEFIT FOR GUARANTEEING THEY'RE BRINGING ALL THE WASTE TO US. SO THEY DO GET SOME BACK. SO, IF THE GATE RATE IS $50 THEY'RE PAYING $40. SO THEY ARE GETTING A REDUCTION.
AND THAT HELPS ENCOURAGE THEM TO BRING THEIR WASTE TO US. THAT'S GENERATED HERE. IT MAKES THAT WASTE GENERATED HERE CHEAPER THAN TAKING IT TO A NEIGHBORING COUNTY. SO, AS FAR AS OUR
PRICING? WE'RE IN A GOOD PLACE ON OUR TIP FEES. >> LET ME INTERRUPT IN TRYING TO CUT RIGHT TO WHAT THE COUNTY MANAGER IS TALKING ABOUT. RIGHT NOW ROSEMARY HILL HAS A LICENSE TO OPERATE THAT LIMITS THE CAPACITY FOR ROSEMARY HILL. IF YOU OPEN UP AB UNLIMITED NUMBER OF FROB SHIESS AND THEY DO GET A CUT IN THE TIPPING FEES IN EXCHANGE FOR THE FRANCHISE FEE THAT WE'RE GETTING. SO, IF YOU HAVE AN UNLIMITED NUMBER OF FRANCHISES, YOU DON'T HAVE THE CAPACITY TO NOW GO OUT THERE AND KEEP UP WITH ALL THESE GUYS TO MAKE SURE THAT ONLY WASTE IS GENERATED IN THE COUNTY IS COMING TO ROSEMARY HILL. IT'S VERY, VERY DIFFICULT TO FIGURE OUT HOW MUCH OR, YOU KNOW, WASTE IS COMING FROM OUTSIDE THE COUNTY BECAUSE NOW YOU'VE GOT A CUT ON THE TIPPING FEE OR YOU'VE GOT A BREAK ON THE TIPPING FEES BECAUSE THEY'RE FRANCHISEE. IF WE'VE GOT AN UNLIMITED NUMBER OF FRANCHISEES AND THE WASTE STREAM FROM OUTSIDE THE COUNTY STARTS COMING HERE AND EXCEEDS OUR CAPACITY NOW YOU'VE GOT A MULTI-MILLION DOLLAR PROBLEM ON YOUR HANDS. YOU MIGHT HAVE ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERNS. THAT'S WHY WE FRANCHISE THIS AND KEEP A VERY CLOSE HOLD ON WHERE IT'S GOING. BECAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO CONTROL THE WASTE STREAM TO
ENSURE WE CAN ONLY CLAY COUNTY ONLY WASTE STREAM. >> COMMISSIONER CELLA: THAT'S A
WHOLE DIFFERENT KETTLE OF FISH. >> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: ORIGINALLY I HEARD WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE ENOUGH CAPACITY THAT'S WHY WE FRANCHISE SO WHICH IS IT?
>> I'M TALKING ABOUT THE CAPACITY OF ROSEMARY HILL. RIGHT NOW WE HAVE ENOUGH CAPACITY WITH 15 FRANCHISEES. BECAUSE WE HAVE THE HISTORY TO DO THAT. IF YOU OPEN THIS UP TO AN UNLIMITED NUMBER OF FRANCHISEES YOU DON'T KNOW THAT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO START BRINGING WASTE STREAM FROM OUTSIDE THE COUNTY WHICH COULD AT SOME TIME EXCEED THE CAPACITY WITH ROSEMARY HILL.
>> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: AT THAT POINT IS STOP ISSUING FRANCHISE FEES. AND IF THEY'RE VIOLATING
THE RULES OF AGREEMENTS THAT A REGULATORY ISSUE. >> BUT THE QUESTION IS HOW DO
YOU KNOW? IF YOU OPEN IT UP BUT DON'T -- >> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: HOW DO
YOU KNOW NOW? >> BECAUSE IF YOU READ THE SOLID WASTE ORDINANCE AND YOU LOOK AT THE RESPONSIBILITIES THAT IT LAYS ON YOUR SOLID WASTE DEPARTMENT TO GO OUT AND AUDIT THESE THINGS AND ATTRACT THEM YOU HAVE TWO SHERIFF DEPUTIES THAT DO SPOT AUDITS AND FOLLOW
PEOPLE AROUND TO SEE WHERE THE WASTE STREAM IS COMING FROM. >> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: WHAT I
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WANT TO DO IS WHAT I SAID. CLEARLY THERE IS RESISTANCE BUT TO ME IT'S SIMPLE. WE PUT IN THE REGULATIONS TO ALLOW THIS TO HAPPEN AND WE PUT IN THE MECHANISMS TO MAINTAIN AND MANAGE IT. AND THEN WE ALLOW THE INCREASE WITH THE MANAGEMENT OF THAT. IF WE NEED MORE TO MANAGE IT, THEN WE INCREASE FEES OR STAFF BASED ON THAT. BUT OUR ENTERPRISE FUND IS SELF-FUNDED ANYWAYS. SO THE FUNDAMENTAL PROBLEM I HAVE IS IF A COMPANY WANTS TO OPERATE IN CLAY COUNTY CURRENTLY AND THEY MEET ALL THE REGULATIONS AND REQUIREMENTS THAT WE REQUIRE THEY STILL CAN'T DO IT BECAUSE WE HAVE A LIST THAT CAPS IT. THAT'S TO ME A FUNDAMENTALLY UNFAIR WAY OFHANDLING BUSINESS IN CLAY COUNTY. >> COMMISSIONER CELLA: I AGREE.
BUT WITH THESE ADDITIONAL -- THIS ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THAT WE'VE BEEN GIVEN THERE COULD BE A CAPACITY PROBLEM OR MANPOWER PROBLEM FOLLOWING THE PEOPLE TO MAKE SURE THE STREAM --
>> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: WE CAN CAP IT AT THAT POINT. IT'S NOT JUST GOING TO HAPPEN AFTER NOWHERE. IT'S NOT LIKE ONE DAY WE DON'T HAVE A CAPACITY ISSUE AND THE NEXT DAY IT'S INSANE. IF
IT DOES HAPPEN THEN START STLOTLING IT BACK. >> COMMISSIONER CELLA: MY OPINION IF IT'S NOT BROKE DON'T FIX IT. IF WE GOT 16 AND IT SEEMS TO BE WORKING WELL AND YOU WANT TO GO TO 20 OR DO SOMETHING ELSE MILTON MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION. OTHERWISE I
THINK WE'VE SPENT ENOUGH TIME ON GARBAGE. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: I GOT TO SAY IN TODAY'S ENVIRONMENT WE DON'T WANT TO BE IN THE GARBAGE BUSINESS. TAKING GARBAGE FROM ALL OVER THE STATE. UNLESS WE CAN MAKE SURE IT'S JUST COMING OUT OF CLAY COUNTY. WE GOT TO
DEAL WITH OUR OWN GARBAGE. >> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: THAT'S PART OF HOW WE REGULATE IT.
>> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: IF WE DON'T HAVE THE MANPOWER TO CHASE EVERYBODY DOWN AND FIGURE OUT WHERE IT'S COMING FROM I SEE ISSUES THERE. I AGREE WITH YOU. IT OUGHT TO BE OPEN. BUT IF WE
CAN'T POLICE IT, I MEAN, WE'RE REALLY ASKING FOR IT. >> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: WHY
CAN'T WE JUST INCREASE -- >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: WE NEED MORE POLICEMEN.
>> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: WE'RE ALLOWED TO CHARGE REGULATORY FEES TO POLICE IT AND TO
REGULATE IT. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: WE COULD RUN THE TIPPING FEE WAY UP OR CHARGE $500 FOR THE INSPECTION THEN WE'D SHUT OFF THE FLOW. BUT WE DON'T WANT TO BE DOING
THAT ALL THE TIME. THIS THING WORKS THE WAY IT IS. >> IN THE SHORT-TERM, COUNTY MANAGER ASKED ME TO SPEAK, IS AS FAR AS THE WASTE IN THE SHORT-TERM. I WOULD ANTICIPATE IT WOULD BE PRETTY -- IT'S PRETTY MUCH THE SAME VOLUME OF WASTE JUST GOING TO NOW BE
SPREAD OVER HOW MANY HAULERS INSTEAD OF THE 16 WE HAVE NOW. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: IF IT ALL ORIGINATES IN THE COUNTY. IF IT STORMONTS COMING FROM DUVAL AND OTHER PLACES THOUGH.
>> AND JUST POINT OF CLARIFICATION. AND MIKE IS RIGHT CERTAINLY IN THE LONG TERM WE HAVE LIMITS. BUT THAT PREFERENTIAL TIP FEE FOR FRANCHISEES ONLY APPLIES TO WASTE GENERATED IN CLAY COUNTY. NOW WE DO RELY ON THEM TO BE TRUTHFUL WHEN THEY TELL US WHERE IT CA I'M FROM. BUT WE LOG EACH TICKET AS TO THE A I DRESS OF WHERE THAT LOAD CAME FROM. THAT IS WHY OUR AUDITS ARE IMPORTANT ON THE BACK END IS TO GO BACK. DID IT REALLY -- DID THEIR RECORDS AND OURS MATCH? DID IT COME FROM WHERE WE THINK IT DID? DID THEY PAY ALL THE FRANCHISE FEES THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO? OUR AU AUDITS, WE'VE COLLECTED $179 IN
UNPAID FEES. >> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: A FEW MONTHS AGO WE ESTABLISHED A COD ATO IED PLACE -- CODIFIED PLACE WHERE WE WOULD TAKE OUT OF COUNTY FEES BECAUSE WE HAD ENOUGH CAPACITY. THAT WAS ONLY A FEW MONTHS AGO. SO, I'M NOT SAYING WE OVERFLOW OUR LANDFILL.
I'M SAYING IF WE HAVE ENOUGH CAPACITY AND PEOPLE WANT TO JOIN LET'S OPEN UP THE LIST. THAT'S
IT. IT'S PRETTY SIMPLE. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: THE GARBAGE DOESN'T STAY IN CLAY COUNTY RIGHT? WE TRANSFER IT OUT OF ROSEMARY HILL AND BRING IT TO GEORGIA OR SOMEWHERE.
>> WE PUT IT IN SOMEBODY ELSE'S BACKYARD. YES, SIR. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: THAT'S A
LITTLE DIFFERENT I GUESS. >> IT DOES GO TO A -- >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: WHAT'S
YOUR RECOMMENDATION HERE? YOU ARE THE HEAD OF THE DEPARTMENT. >> AGAIN, I'M VERY COMFORTABLE WITH THE NUMBER WE HAVE NOW. I THINK THE AMOUNT WE HAVE NOW SERVES THE COMMUNITY. SO, THERE'S NOT A LACK OF SERVICE TO THE COMMUNITY. THE DIFFERENCE IS AND I DON'T DISAGREE WITH THE
PHILOSOPHY OF -- >> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: THERE'S ENOUGH FAST-FOOD RESTAURANTS IT
DOESN'T MEAN WE SHOULDN'T ALLOW ANOTHER TO OPERATE AND COMPETE. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: LET ME INTERJECT HERE. I THINK WE'VE SPENT ENOUGH TIME ON GARBAGE. WHO SAID THAT? GAVIN WOULD YOU BE ACCEPTABLE TO LET'S TAKING THIS AND GIVE YOU TIME TO TALK WITH MILTON MAYBE OR MIKE AND
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THEN, YOU KNOW, COUNTY MANAGER AND MAYBE NEXT MEETING WE CAN BE A LITTLE MORE FOCUSED ON EXACTLY WHAT YOU ARE TRYING TO DO AND COME TO A DECISION THEN. WOULD BE THAT ACCEPTABLE TO YOU?>> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: UH-HUH. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: WOULD BE THAT BE ACCEPTABLE TO THE BOARD?
>> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: PLEASE. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: DO WE NEED A
MOTION FOR THAT. >> NO SIR. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: THEN YOU'VE
GOT SOME HOMEWORK TO DO. >> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: I KNOW WHAT I WANT TO DO.
>> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: BUT THERE STILL SEEMS TO BE SOME QUESTIONS.
>> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: RESISTANCE TO CHANGE. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: OR THE BEST WAY TO GO GIVEN THE NEW SET OF FACTS. VERY GOOD. THANK YOU, MILTON. THANK YOU, GAVIN. MOVING
[12. Project Priority Recommendation List to TPO]
ON TO ITEM 12. PROJECT PRIORITY RECOMMENDATION LIST TPO. THAT SOUNDS LIKE A MOUTHFUL.>> IT'S PROBABLY NOT THE BEST MEETING TO PRESENT THIS [LAUGHTER] I THINK WE'RE ALL TIRED OF GOING OVER ROADWAY SEGMENTS. BUT THE TPO HAS SOLICITED THE INPUTS SO I'LL TRY TO GO OVER THEM REAL QUICK. THESE ARE THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM STAFF. IN TALKING WITH DALE AND HIS DISCUSSIONS WITH D.O.T., D.O.T.
RECOMMENDS YOU DON'T MAKE TOO MANY CHANGES FROM YOUR PREVIOUS LIST BECAUSE THEN THEY SEE INCONSI INCONSISTENCIES. SO WE TRIED TO KEEP THE SAME PRIORITIES BUT IF THERE ARE CHANGES YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE WE'LL APPROVE THOSE. LET ME GO THROUGH THE PARTIES REAL QUICK. THE FIRST ONE COUNTY ROAD 220. WE CHANGED THE EXTENT TO HENDLEY ROAD TO 221 JUST BECAUSE FOX TO HENDLEY IS FUNDED. 218 WILL HEAD INTO FOUR LANES. WE HAVE TWO SEGMENTS OF 218 IN OUR PREVIOUS REQUEST. WE JUST COMBINED THOSE NO ONE SEGMENT OF 218 TO 301. THE THREE YOU HAVE HEARD TODAY. WE TALKED VERY MUCH ABOUT COUNTY ROAD 209 WIDEN TO FOUR LANES FROM US17 TO STAND RIDGE NO CHANGE. NUMBER HAD A COUNTY REQUEST. 220 TO US17 NO CHANGE. CHESSWICK OAKS A NEW CONSTRUCTION. WE CHANGED THE EXTENTS TO LIMIT IT TO THE END OF THE TWO RAIN PROJECT FUNDED BY WILL FREDA PRESERVE. NUMBER IS COUNTY ROAD 220. AFTER DISCUSSIONS TONIGHT ADD HEARING FROM DALE YOU MIGHT WANT TO CONSIDER TAKING IT OFF YOUR LIST. THAT'S THE WIDEN TO SIX
LANES. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: HOW ABOUT IF WE PUT IN THE ROUTE FROM US17
TO THE EXPRESSWAY? >> THE REASON WE DID NOT NOW IS RIGHT NOW THAT'S A SARATOGA
SPRINGS FUNDED AIMPROVEMENT. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: I THINK WE SHOULD. IF WE FUND IT BEFORE
WE GET TO IT WE MAY HAVE SOMETHING. >> YOU CAN CERTAINLY REPLACE NUMBER 6 WITH THAT. NUMBER 7 IS STATE ROAD 26 INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS. PREVIOUSLY IT SAID WELLS ROAD BUT IN TALKING ABOUT D.O.T. THEY HAVE A STUDY FOR INTERSECTIONS FROM KNIGHT BOXX UP TO COLLINS IN DUVAL COUNTY. IN CONSISTENT WITH D.O.T.'S REQUEST WE ADDED THE EXTENTS.
THE FOLLOWING THREE IMPROVEMENTS ARE NEW. STATE ROAD 16 WIDEN TO FOUR LANES. NUMBER 9 IS THE EXTENSION OF RADAR ROAD FROM US17 TO TOWN CENTER PARKWAY. WE DO HAVE THAT 180-UNIT APARTMENT COMPLEX SO WE SEE THE NEED FOR THE EXTENSION. SO WE ADDED IT THERE. NUMBER 10 IS THE WIDENING THE FOUR LANES OF COUNTY ROAD 3 315 315 FROM STATE ROAD 16 TO THE EXTENSION. THAT EXTENDS THE GOVERNOR'S PARK ROAD THEY'RE BUILDING AND EXTENDS IT NORTH THROUGH 16. WE SEE THE NEED FOR THAT AS GOVERNOR PARKS COMES ABOARD AS WELL. THOSE ARE THE TEN PROJECTS. I HEAR ONE RECOMMENDED CHANGE.
>> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: I GOT ONE MORE. THE JTA BUS LINE. IT IS A TRANSIT PROJECT BUT JEFF SAID THAT WE SHOULD PROBABLY INCLUDE IT. THERE IS A TRANSIT COMPONENT TO THIS STUFF. I MEAN, GET THESE
FUNDED IT'S GOING TO BE-- >> I WOULD SAY THAT PROBABLY -- COMMISSION BOL A LONG WAY OUT
THERE BUT LET'S GET IT ON THE LST. >> YOU MIGHT WANT TO PUT IT ON THIS. THESE ARE THE NINE CAPACITY IMPROVEMENTS. THIS WOULD BE A GOOD ONE TO ADD IT TO. NUMBER 1 IS A NEW ONE. THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE REQUEST WE HAD A FEW MONTHS AGO TO BLACK CREEK TRAIL EXTENSION ACROSS US17 BRIDGE FROM THE TRAIL HEAD TO BALL ROAD. TWO AND THREE ARE THE SAME. THOSE REQUESTS CARRY OVER FROM THE PREVIOUS ONE. THE BOTTOM THREE ARE REQUESTS FROM THE TOWN OF ORANGE PARK. THEY REQUESTED WE PUT THIS IN OUR REQUEST AS WELL.
SO WE DIDN'T GIVE THEM PRIORITY BUT THOSE ARE TURN LANES AT KINGSLEY AND US17. KINGSLEY AND RAILROAD AND THE SIDEWALK PATH PLAINFIELD AVENUE TO CAR STREET. IF YOU WANT WE COULD ADD THAT.
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>> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: THAT'S GOING TO RELIEVE A LOT OF TRAFFIC OFF BLANDING AND 17.
>> WHAT WOULD BE THE BUS LINE BE IDENTIFIED AS? >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: JTA HAS
GIVEN US A PROPOSAL FOR $500,000 TO PUT THAT IN. THE COLLECTOR. >> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: THE CITY OF KEYSTONE HAS A PROJECT. I HAVE A MAP. I DON'T KNOW IF EVERYONE GOT THIS. IT WOULD BE A SIDEWALK THAT WOULD CONNECT FROM THE CURRENT SIDEWALK SYSTEM TO A NEW DOG PARK THEY'VE CREATED.
SO, IF THERE'S NO OBJECTION I'D LIKE TO ADD THAT TO THE LIST. >> I TALKED TO SCOTT BEFORE THE
MEETING AND HE TOLD ME ABOUT THAT. >> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: OTHER THAN THAT I WOULD BE FINE WITH THE CURRENT LIST. WE LOST OUR CHAIR.
>> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: MILTON -- I'M SO SORRY. IT'S LATE. ED. WHICH DID YOU SAY WE
WERE TAKING OFF. >> BASED ON DISCUSSIONS WITH DALE AND DISCUSSIONS EARLIER I WOULD SAY NUMBER 6, COUNTY ROAD 220. BECAUSE WE TOOK OFF THE PROPOSAL TO WIDEN IT TO SIX
LANES AND REPLACE THAT WITH THE EXTENSION OF 218. >> COMMISSIONER CELLA: DO YOU
WANT US TO VOTE ON THAT. >> IT IS AN ACTION ITEM YEAH. >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: THE
CHAIR WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. >> COMMISSIONER CELLA: I MOVE TO ACCEPT THE PRIORITIES AS
ACCEPTED. >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: SIGNIFY FOR AYE. OPPOSED. THE MOTION CARRIES 4-0. WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM 13. NO THAT WAS 13. NO THERE'S 12. OKAY ITEM 13. YOU
[13. Proposed Request for Projects to be Added to the 20/21 TPO Unified Planning Work Program]
ARE UP FOR THAT ONE. >> YES, MA'AM. THE TPO IS REQUESTING PROJECTS FOR THE UPWP. STAFF CAME UP WITH THREE BUT CERTAINLY IF THERE'S OTHERS YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE WE COULD PUT THOSE IN. THE ONE IS EXTENSION OF RADAR ROAD ANALYSIS WITH THE 180 APARTMENT COMPLEX AND THE POSSIBILITY FOR ACCESS ON TO US17 AND HOW PEOPLE ARE GOING TO TAKE A LEFT AND EVERYTHING, WE THINK THAT'S A STUDY THAT THE TPO COULD FUND POSSIBLY. THE SECOND ONE YOU PROBABLY ARE FAMILIAR WITH THIS. LAKE ASBURY DASHLINE ROAD SYSTEM. ETM STUDY WAS HALF THE DASH LINE ROADS SO THE OTHER HALF AND EVERYTHING AS DEVELOPMENT MOVES SOUTH BECAUSE WE DO HAVE DASH LINE ROADS THAT WEREN'T INCLUDED IN THE MODEL AND WE COULD GET AN INDICATION.
TEN YEARS FROM NOW WE HAVE DATA THAT WE CAN PRESENT TO YOU AS DEVELOPMENT GOES SOUTH AND WHAT IMPROVEMENTS ARE NECESSARY BASED ON THE ROADS. NUMBER 3 IS STATE ROAD 16 CORRIDOR STUDY. AGAIN WITH THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE INTERCHANGE WE EXPECT STATE ROAD 16 TO BE EASTERN GATEWAY INTO THE CITY GREEN COVE SPRINGS. WE RECOMMEND THAT IT GO ALL THE WAY TO US17 THROUGH STATE ROAD 21 EVEN THOUGH WE'RE ONLY PROPOSING TO FOUR LANE IT TO THE EXPRESSWAY ONLY BECAUSE, OBVIOUSLY, WE WANT TO GET PENNY FARMS INPUT ON ANY IMPROVEMENTS THEY MIGHT NEED IF THEY WANT TO PROTECT THE TREES AND EVERYTHING SO WE'D LIKE TO EXTEND IT TO 16. WE RAN THAT PROPOSAL BY GREEN COVE SPRINGS AND THEY HAVE NO PROBLEM EXTENDING IT TO 17. THE ONE CHANGE WE HAVE THAT'S FROM YOUR NOTEBOOKS IS GREEN COVE SPRINGS HAS ADOPTED A RECOMMENDATION FOR US17 CORRIDOR STUDY AND WEED PROVIDED THE INFORMATION AND WE AGREE WITH GREEN COVE THAT IT IS A WORTH WHILE PROJECT AND WOULD INCLUDE THIS IN OUR RECOMMENDATIONS JUST REFERENCING THEIR ANALYSIS ON
IT. IT. >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: ARE
THESE LISTED IN ORDER OF PRIORITY? >> THERE'S NO PRIORITY GIVEN.
>> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: THE CLEVELAND CONNECTOR STUDY IS STILL ACTIVE?
>> WE HAD OUR FIRST MEETING A FEW WEEKS AGO. TODAY I RECEIVED THE SUMMARY. THEY ARE LOOKING AT A COMMUNITY MEETING ANSWER WITHIN THAT AREA. APPARENTLY THERE'S PUSHBACK FROM D.O.T. AND I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT GOT RESOLVED. BUT WE WOULD LIKE TO INVITE YOU TO A COMMUNITY
MEETING TO DISCUSS THOSE ISSUES. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: I'D LOVE TO.
>> WE THOUGHT YOU WOULD [LAUGHTER] >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: AND HOW IS YOUR ROAD PROJECT GOING WITH THE AUTOMATIC SENSING OF THE ROAD CONDITIONS? IS THAT STILL
ONGOING? >> IT JUST STARTED. THERE'S STILL NEGOTIATING ON IT. THEY ACTUALLY ADDED A FEW MORE ROADS FOR THEM TO DRIVE DOWN SOME OF OUR ROADS.
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>> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS PARTICULAR ITEM? IS THERE A MOTION THAT WE
ACCEPT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION? >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: MR. CHAIRMAN I REQUEST APPROVAL FOR THE PROPOSED PROJECT WE ADDED TO THE TPO UNIFIED PLANNING WORK PROGRAM.
>> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. SO, DONE. ITEM 14 ACCEPTANCE OF MAINTENANCE WITH
[14. Acceptance of Maintenance with MSBU of Cameron Oaks Phase 1 Subdivision]
MSBU ON CAMERON OAKS PHASE I SUBDIVISION. >> ANOTHER SUBDIVISION THAT HAS BEEN, YOU KNOW, BUILT IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE APPROVED PLANS.
>> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: GOOD JOB, DALE. >> WE'VE HAD OUR FINAL INSPECTION AND WE'D LIKE TO ACCEPT IT FOR MAINTENANCE WITH THE PROVISION THAT WE CREATE AN
MSBU TO TAKE CARE OF ALL THE SURFACE CONDITIONS. >> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: MOVE
FOR APPROVAL. >> COMMISSIONER CELLA: SECOND. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: ALL IN FAVOR
SAY AYE. VERY GOOD. THANK YOU, DALE. >> WE'RE PRETTY MUCH THROUGH THE
LIST OF 20 THAT WERE BACKLOGGED DO YOU KNOW? >>
[15. Discussion of Line of Duty Health Benefits]
HEALTH BENEFITS. JENNIFER. THERE YOU ARE. >> STAFF RECEIVED A REQUEST REGARDING CONTINUING HEALTH INSURANCE FOR SURVIVORS IN THE CASES OF IN LINE OF DUTY DEATHS OF EMPLOYEES. WITH LEGAL WE LOOKED AT THE AVAILABLE STATUTES AND WE FOUND THAT THERE WERE NO STATUTORY PROVISIONS THAT ALLOWED FOR US TO CONTINUE THE HEALTH INSURANCE BASED ON THOSE GUIDELINES THAT WE HAD AND BASED ON OUR SITUATION THAT WE WERE DEALING WITH. THERE ARE A HANDFUL OF INSTANCES WHERE AN EMPLOYEE WHO PASSES IN THE LINE OF DUTY IS ELIGIBLE -- THEIR SURVIVORS ARE ELIGIBLE FOR CONTINUED HEALTH INSURANCE TO BE BORNE BY THE COUNTY. AND THOSE SPECIFICALLY DEAL WITH SOMEONE WHO SUFFERS AN ACT OF VIOLENCE AS A RESULT OF A FIRE THAT WAS ARSON, AS A RESULT OF AN ASSAULT, STUFF LIKE THAT. SO, THERE ARE VERY SPECIFIC REASONS.
SO, SOME OF THE STATUTES THAT WE LOOKED AT WAS THE NEW CANCER STATUTE WHICH IS 112.1816 AND THERE WERE CERTAIN THINGS THAT WERE PROVIDED FOR THEIR -- IF THERE WAS AN ELECTION TO HAVE A ONE-TIME PAYMENT OF $25,000, CERTAIN REIMBURSEMENT OF HEALTH INSURANCE COSTS THAT WERE BORNE BY THE MEMBER AND SOME DISABILITY BENEFITS BUT THERE WAS NO CONTINUATION OF HEALTH INSURANCE. THE OTHER STATUTE THAT WE LOOKED AT WAS 112.191. AND THAT PROVIDES DEATH BENEFITSMENT THEN THE OTHER ONE WAS THE WORKER'S COMP STATUTE WHICH IS 440.16. SO, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE LOOKED AT AND TRYING TO DETERMINE HOW WE WOULD ACCOMMODATE THE CONTINUATION OF HEALTH INSURANCE FOR THE DEPEND ENDS WOULD BE UNDER CONE RA. AS A -- COBRA. AS A SELF-INSURED PLAN WE DO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO REVISE OUR PLAN DOCUMENT TO AMEND IT WHERE WE CAN HAVE ADDITIONAL DEPENDANTS COVERED. AND WE WOULD HAVE TO DO A SIMPLE AMENDMENT TO OUR PLAN DOCUMENT TO ACCOMPLISH THAT. BUT WE WOULD HAVE COBRA AS AN OPTION. COBRA REALLY IS THE OPPORTUNITY TO CONTINUE UNDER THE COUNTY'S PLAN. UNDER THE SAME PLAN LIKE WAS HAPPENING BEFORE. AND IN THE CASE OF A DEATH OF AN EMPLOYEE THE FAMILY CAN HAVE COVERAGE UP TO 36 MONTHS. THE MONTHLY COSTS OF COBRA WHICH IS AN ACTUARIALLY RATE IS $1,642.58. SO WE CAME UP WITH TWO POSSIBLE OPTIONS FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. THE FIRST ONE BEING THE COBRA PAYMENT THAT IS SUBSIDIZED BY THE COUNTY. AND WHAT WE WOULD DO IS REACTIVATE THE HEALTH BENEFIT COST AND THE COUNTY WOULD BEAR THE COST FOR WHATEVER TIMEFRAME THE BOARD DECIDED. SO, JUST TO GIVE AN IDEA OF WHAT THE COST WOULD BE FOR A SIX MONTH PERIOD IT WOULD BE $9,855. AND FOR A 12-MONTH PERIOD IT WOULD BE $19,710. AND THEN THE SECOND OPTION WOULD BE TO PROVIDE THE SAME OR SIMILAR MONETARY VALUE SO THE SURVIVING DEPENDENTS CAN ELECT OTHER COVERAGE IF THAT'S WHAT THEY CHOSE. THAT WOULD BE OUTSIDE OF
THE COUNTY'S PLAN IF THAT IS WHAT THEY WANTED. >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING:
EXPLAIN THAT LAST BIT. THAT'S NOT VERY CLEAR. >> SO THE PROVISION OF -- SO I
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TALKED ABOUT WHAT IT WOULD COST FOR SIX MONTHS OR FOR 12 MONTHS. AND INSTEAD OF THE SURVIVING SPOUSE AND DEPENDANTS BEING UNDER COBRA AND BEING UNDER THE COUNTY'S PLAN, THEY COULD GO PROBABLY TO THE MARKETPLACE OR ANY OTHER BROKER AND GET OTHER INSURANCE IF THAT IS WHAT THEYCHOSE. >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: OKAY I SEE WHAT YOU ARE SAYING.
>> BUT IT WOULD BE AT SIMILAR VALUE. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: SO THAT WAS 12,000 OR $19,000 PER FAMILY. SEEMS REALLY EXORBITANT DOES IT NOT?
>> THESE ARE ACTUARIALLY DETERMINED RATES. BECAUSE WE'RE SELF-INSURED THE COUNTY DOES BEAR THE COST OF WHAT A CLAIM IS. SO, IF SOMEBODY GOES TO THE DOCTOR -- SO IF I GO TO THE DOCTOR, WHATEVER THE CONTRACT RATE UNDER OUR ARRANGEMENT WITH FLORIDA BLUE IS, THAT'S WHAT THE COUNTY PAYS. SO THE COUNTY PAYS ACTUAL COSTS. BUT IN ORDER FOR US TO FUND OUR PLAN PROPERLY, WE DO HAVE AN ACTUARY WHO WILL LOOK AT OUR PLAN EXPERIENCE, THE NUMBER OF CLAIMS, NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO ARE COVERED, AND THEY WILL COME UP WITH PREMIUMS THAT ARE APPROPRIATE TO FUND THE PLAN
SO WE HAVE MONEY IN THE BANK TO PAY THOSE CLAIMS. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: JENNIFER, YOU SAID AT THE START OF YOUR PRESENTATION THAT AFTER REVIEWING THE STATE STATUTE THERE WAS NOTHING THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO DO A HEALTH BENEFIT. WAS ANYTHING THERE THAT PRO
HEBBITTED US FROM DOING IT? >> THERE WAS NOTHING THAT WAS COVERED. AND COURTNEY ALSO
LOOKED AT THOSE STATUTES AS WELL. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: SO ALLOWANCE
AND PROHIBITION ARE THEY NOT-- >> THIS WOULD JUST BE A POLICY THAT YOU DECIDE YOU ARE
GOING TO PROVIDE AN ADDITIONAL BENEFIT FOR AN EMPLOYEE. >> WHAT'S OUR EXPOSURE? HOW MANY
DEATHS HAVE WE HAD IN THE LAST TEN YEARS ON DUTY? >> FOUR.
>> WELL IN THE LINE OF DUTY. FOUR. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: SO THAT'S
PRETTY REASONABLE. >> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: HERE'S WHAT'S INTERESTING ABOUT THE STATUTE. I'LL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE. IF YOU ARE A FIREFIGHTER AND GO INTO A BURNING BUILDING BUT THAT BURNING FIRE WAS CAUSED BY LIGHTNING AND YOU GET STRUCK BY A BEAM, YOU DON'T GET HEALTH INSURANCE. IF THE FIRE WAS CAUSED BY ARSON AND YOU GET HIT
BY A BEAM YOU YOUR FAMILY GETS HEALTH INSURANCE. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: I THINK THE STANDARD COBRA THING, WE'VE GOT THAT IN PLACE FOR EMPLOYEES THAT LEAVE US MAMA TOURLY AND THAT'S WHAT IT'S FOR AND I THINK THAT'S A REASONABLE THING TO EXTEND THAT TO THE FAMILY.
>> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: AT LEAST A STEPPING OFF PERIOD. I THINK AT LEAST A YEAR AFTER THE
DEATH OCCURS IF IT'S IN THE LINE OF DUTY. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: THAT'S
WHAT 36 MONTHS? >> 36 UNDER COBRA. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: WOULD BE
ALMOST TWO YEARS. >> THREE YEARS. >> COMMISSIONER CELLA: THE SECOND OPTION IN TERMS OF LETTING GO OUTAND FIND THEIR OWN, WHAT WE WOULD OFFER THEM IN
TERMS OF-- >> WELL IT WOULD BE A MONETARY VALUE. -- MONEY I DON'T THINK SHOULD BE OUR PRIMARY CONSIDERATION. IT'S THE CARE OF THAT PERSON'S FAMILY THROUGH THE AGONY OF LOSING ONE SO CLOSE TO THEM. SO, I'M NOT A MONEY GUY WHEN IT COMES TO THAT. I JUST THINK WE NEED TO DO THE RIGHT THING AND WHATEVER WE CAN DO TO MAKE THAT FAMILY'S LIFE BETTER
FOR ONE MONTH, THREE YEARS, SIX YEARS, I WOULD FULLY SUPPORT. >> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: I
SECOND THAT. I DON'T THINK IT WAS A MOTION. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: JUST A
THOUGHT. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: I LIKE THE COBRA IDEA BECAUSE IT FITS
INTO SOMETHING WE'RE ALREADY DOING. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: IT'S ALREADY
IN PLACE. >> BUT THEY'RE ALREADY PROVIDING COBRA. I THINK WHAT COMMISSIONER ROLLINS IS ASKING FOR IS THEY ARE PROVIDED COBRA -- WHAT COMMISSIONER ROLLINS IS PROPOSEING THAT THE COUNTY PROVIDE AN ADDITIONAL BENEFIT OF ACTUALLY PROVIDING A SUBSIDY FOR THAT. COMBHIGS ROLL WHICH IS JUST A TECHNICAL WAY OF SAYING THE COUNTY WOULD CONTINUE ON PROVIDING THEM HEALTH INSURANCE IN THE SAME MANNER THEY WERE PROVIDED BEFORE. AND I THINK A YEAR SHOULD BE THE MINIMUM. I MEAN, I'M IN FAVOR OF MORE THAN THAT, BUT I THINK A YEAR FOR THEM TO FIND OTHER OPPORTUNITIES AND TO HAVE IT. BECAUSE WHAT'S SO TRAGIC IS -- AND OF NO FAULT OF ANYONE IN THIS ROOM, BUT JUST THE WAY THE STATUTES ARE CONSTRUCTED IS YOU HAVE FAMILIES TRYING TO MAKE DECISIONS -- THEY'RE BURYING FAMILY MEMBERS AND TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HEALTH
INSURANCE SIMULTANEOUSLY. I KNOW NONE OF US WANT THAT. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: CAN WE
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PURSUE THE IDEA OF JUST CONTINUING THAT INSURANCE OR PAYING THE PREMIUM FOR ASPECIFIED PERIOD OF TIME? >> YES, SIR. YOU WOULD JUST HAVE TO PROVIDE US WITH THE GUIDANCE
FOR THE POLICY THAT WE WOULD ENACT. >> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: WHAT I WOULD THINK A POLICY COULD LOOK SOMETHING LIKE IS IF THEY DIE IN THE LINE OF DUTY AS DEFINED BY FLORIDA STATUTE REGARDLESS OF THE TYPE OF LINE OF DUTY. SO, THERE'S VIOLENT LINE OF DUTY VERSUS LINE OF DUTY THAT'S NOT VIOLENT BUT I THINK WE SHOULD ELIMINATE THAT DIFFERENCE. IF IT'S LINE OF DUTY MEANING IF THEY'RE IN PUBLIC WORKS OR A FIRST RESPONDER, IF THAT I DIE IN THEIR OFFICIAL CAPACITY ON THE JOB. SO, IF THEY'RE IN PUBLIC WORKS AND GET HIT BY A CAR THAT'S LINE OF DUTY. IF THEY'RE FIREFIGHTER AND RUNNING INTO A BURNING BUILDING AND THEY PASS. IF IT'S CANCER WHICH IS DEFINED AS LINE OF DUTY BY FLORIDA STATUTE. THEN AT THE MINIMUM I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT WE PROVIDE HEALTH INSURANCE FOR THEM FOR A YEAR AFTER THE PASSING OF THE EMPLOYEE. THAT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION IF THE BOARD WANTS FURTHER, I WOULD SUPPORT THAT. I JUST THINK AT A MINIMUM THE YEAR TRANSITION PERIOD SHOULD --
>> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: MAKE THAT RETROACTIVE. >> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: AND THEN FOR FUTURE EMPLOYEES. SO, I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT MECHANISM TO DO THAT TONIGHT VERSUS A POLICY BEING BROUGHT FORTH. I THINK WE HAVE IMMEDIATE NEEDS THAT WE SHOULD PROBABLY TAKE ACTION ON TONIGHT THEN MOVING FORWARD A SPECIFIC POLICY THAT MAYBE COURTNEY COULD WORK ON THE
NUANCES OF.. >> WITH THAT DO YOU WANT TO HAVE THE SAME STRUCTURE AS PROVIDED FOR IN THE STATUTE FOR THE SAME CONFIDENCES FOR DEPENDANT AND SPOUSE.
>> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: YEAH. THE QUESTION WOULD JUST BE THE TIME PERIOD.
>> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: CAN YOU WORK ON THAT COURTNEY WITH JENNIFER AND ROUGH OUT SOMETHING TO GIVE US A FUTURE COURSE OF ACTION HERE. I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO VOTE ON THAT UNTIL COURTNEY COMES BACK WITH -- SEGRE JUST ONE THING. BECAUSE WE HAVE THE CLOCK RUNNING--
>> IF WE COULD, I THINK AND COURTNEY SHOULD THEY NOT VOTE ON THE STOP GAP?
>> I THINK FOR THIS ONE PARTICULAR PERSON THAT THEY ARE LOOKING FOR THE TIME PERIOD IS ABOUT TO EXPIRE. SO, IN DEVELOPING THIS POLICY DO YOU WANT TO PROVIDE FOR SIX MONTHS,
FOR A YEAR OR -- >> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: SO I MOVE FOR A YEAR WE COVER THROUGH COBRA HEALTH INSURANCE BENEFITS. WE SUBSIDIZE THE PREMIUM WHILE WE'RE FIGURING OUT A POLICY.
THEN OBVIOUSLY THAT PERSON WOULD BE COVERED UNDER THE FUTURE POLICY. BUT WE'LL HAVE A YEAR TO FIGURE THAT POLICY OUT. WHILE WE'RE DOING THAT FOR THAT YEAR PERIOD WE COVER THE FAMILY
THAT'S AFFECTED. >> >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: I'LL
SECOND THAT. DO YOU NEED A MOTION? >> YES.
>> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: THAT WAS THE MOTION. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: ANY DISCUSSION OR QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD, STAFF? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. SO, DONE. ARE YOU GOOD TO
GO, JENNIFER? >> YES, SIR. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: VERY GOOD.
THANK YOU. ITEM 15. FAIRGROUNDS IMPROVEMENTS. >> THE PICTURE THAT I PASSED OUT
[16. Fair Board/Fairgrounds Improvements]
PER THE AGREEMENT THAT WE HAVE WITH THE FAIR BOARD THAT ANY IMPROVEMENTS TO THE FAIR GROUBTDS NEED TO BE BROUGHT TO THE BOARD. THE PICTURE THAT YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU IS THE MIDWAY AREA. THOSE AREAS THAT ARE HIGHLIGHTED WITHIN YELLOW THAT CONTAIN ASPHALT. THAT IS A FAULT WILL BE OVERLAID WITH THE NEW ASPHALT. THE AREA BETWEEN THE TWO REDLINES WILL BE -- THAT AREA WILL BE REMOVED OF ASPHALT. SO THAT INNER-CIRCLE. THAT WAS LOOKING AT IT -- THIS KIND OF HIGHS IN TWO OR THREE HOURS AGO TO AIRSTREAM VENTURE. IF YOU REMEMBER THEIR PICTURE OF A FOOTBALL FIELD THERE OR A SOCCER FIELD OR LACROSSE FIELD OR WHATEVER YOU COULD KNIT THIS NOW IN THERE WITH THAT REMOVED. FAIRGROUND ACCOMMODATED OUR REQUEST TO REMOVE THAT. THEY'RE ADDING WITHIN THE BOX TO THE BOTTOM RIGHT THAT READ AN AREA OF PAVEMENT THERE. JUST FOR YOUR SITUATIONAL AWARENESS, THIS EQUATES TO $81,000 OF AN IMPROVEMENT TO THE FAIRGROUNDS AND THE MIDWAY. AND THAT IS FOUR TIMES THE AMOUNT OF THEIR YEARLY FEE FOR RENT. JUST TO GIVE AN IDEA. THAT'S ALL WITHIN THE STIPULATIONS OF THE CONTRACT. AND THEY HAD UNTIL 2017. SO, SINCE INCEPTION OF THIS LEASE THEY'VE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS FROM 1981 TO 2017 HAVE BEEN APPROXIMATELY $1.3 MILLION. JUST FOR, AGAIN. I THINK JUST THE CONCURRENCES TO SHOW APPROVAL. I[05:20:06]
DON'T THINK IT REQUIRES A VOTE AND JUST LOOKING FOR APPROVAL THEY CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS.>> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: ABSOLUTELY. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: CONSENSUS?
PERFECT. VERY GOOD. >> MR. CHAIRMAN IN THE SENSE OF TIME THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR THE
BOARD. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: OKAY. I THINK WE'RE DOWN TO -- UNLESS I'VE MISSED SOMETHING AND I AM SURE I WILL BE CORRECTED, WE'RE DOWN TO LETTERS OF ACTION. ITEM
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28. >> I HAD ONE ITEM UNDER COUNTY ATTORNEY IN CONNECTION WITH SOLITE. AS YOU MAY SOLITE WAS REQUIRED TO SUBMIT TO DEPUTY BY THE -- DEP BY THE MIDDLE OF JANUARY THEIR SCHEDULE FOR MOVING FORWARD WITH DOING DIFFERENT TESTING. THEY SUBMITTED THAT. THE DEP SENT OUT A LETTER ACCEPTING IT. SO IT HAS A LOT OF PHASES. LOOKS LIKE FIVE OR SIX DIFFERENT PHASES. BUT THE FIRST ONE, THE FIRST PHASE OF TESTING IS TO BE COMPLETED BY APRIL 27TH, 2020, THEN THAT TRIGGERS THE NEXT -- YOU KNOW EACH PHASE. SO WE
SHOULD HEAR SOMETHING BACK AFTER APRIL. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: LET ME PICK UP ON WHAT YOU SAID. DID YOU SAY THE DEP IS ALLOWING SOLITE TO DO THEIR OWN TESTING?
>> IT'S NOT THEIR OWN TESTING. THEY HAVE A COMPANY THAT DOES IT THEN THEY HAVE TO SUBMIT THOSE
RESULTS BACK FOR FURTHER STUDYING. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: ALL RIGHT.
>> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: SO WHEN IS STEP FIVE FINISHED? >> IT LOOKS LIKE -- I'D HAVE TO CALCULATE IT OUT. BUT IT GOES 60 DAYS AFTER -- SO THEY DO THE FIRST TEST AND THEN THE DEP HAS TO APPROVE IT. AND THEN IT'S 60 DAYS FROM THE DEP APPROVAL OF THAT AND THEN IT GOES THE NEXT ONE. THEN 60 DAYS FROM APPROVAL OF THAT AND JUST KEEPS GOING. THEN THERE'S A 90-DAY SUBMITTED IN THERE. SO, I MEAN, IT'S OVER YEARS. OVER A YEAR [LAUGHTER]
LETTER. I DON'T KNOW WHO IS DOING THE TESTING. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: ANYTHING ELSE MADAM ATTORNEY? OKAY. ITEM 28 PLANNING COMMISSION. WE NEED TO FILL FOUR VACANCIES.
[28. Planning Commission Appointments]
PLANNING >> COMMISSIONER: MEMBER BELINDA JOHNSON IS NOT SEEKING
REEMPLOYMENT. AND KICSAK FROM FLEMING ISLAND HAS RESIGNED. >> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: I'LL MOVE THAT WE APPOINT BILL GAR ISSON. HE LIVES IN THE CLAY HILL AREA AND WOULD FILL THE SEAT
MELINDA JOHNSON SERVED IN. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: LET ME GO OVER THE APPLICANTS.
>> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: SORRY I GOT EXCITED AND JUMPED THE GUN. >> COMMISSIONER CELLA: I'LL
SECOND. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: WE HAVE AN COMPLICATIONS FROM ROBERT COWIE, TRAVIS CRASHENSON, HALL ENNIS, BILL GARRISON, COLLIN ROBERTS, BRIAN KRAUT, JOSEPH WIGGINS AND HOWARD NORTON. SEVERAL OF THESE FOLKS I KNOW. WE GOT GOOD QUALITY CANDIDATES BUT WE HAVE ONE THAT SAT THROUGH THIS WHOLE THING SO I AM GOING TO LET YOU COME UP AND SPEAK.
>> AND QUICKLY DON'T FORGET YOU HAVE THE TWO COMMISSIONERS WHO WOULD LIKE TO BE REAPPOINTED.
THEY ALSO SUBMITTED APPLICATIONS. SO, MICHAEL BOURRE AND ROBERT COLLINS.
>> SPEAKER: I'M BRIAN KRAUT. I LIVE AT 5256 AIR PARK LOOP WEST. I'VE LIVED THERE OVER SEVEN YEARS. I SUBMITTED AN APPLICATION FOR CONSIDERATION OF APPOINTMENT AS MEMBER OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION. I OWN A SMALL ENGINEERING AND MANUFACTURING COMPANY. I LIVE IN THE HALLER RESIDENTIAL AIR PARK COMMUNITY WHICH HAS APPROXIMATELY 80 LOTS AND IT'S BEEN GOING SUBSTANTIALLY OVER THE PAST SEVEN YEARS. VICE PRESIDENT OF THE AIR PARK BOARD OF DIRECTORS. I'VE SERVED FOR SIX YEARS IN VARIOUS POSITIONS INCLUDING A BOARD MEMBER, SECRETARY, AIRPORT MANAGER, AND TWO TERMS AS THE BOARD PRESIDENT. I'VE LEARNED A LOT IN THE PAST SIX YEARS SERVING ON A COMMUNITY ORGANIZATION WITH RESIDENTS THAT HAVE DIVERSE AND SOMETIMES VERY CONFLICTING GOALS. I CAME HERE AND SPOKE LAST YEAR BUT I WASN'T APPOINTED BECAUSE THE MEMBER IN MY DISTRICT AND THE AT LARGE MEMBER WERE CONTINUING ON THE BOARD. I BELIEVE THEY ARE AGAIN BUT I'M STILL INTERESTING IN GIVING IT ANOTHER SHOT. I PLAN TO LIVE IN CLAY COUNTY FOR THE REST OF MY LIFE SO FOR ME IT ISN'T ABOUT IMMEDIATE APPOINTMENT OR SHORT-TERM GOAL IT'S ABOUT BEING INVOLVED AND DOING WHAT I CAN TO HELP CLAY COUNTY FOR MYSELF, MY FAMILY AND ALL OF WHO CALL CLAY COUNTY OUR HOME. I'VE HAD FAMILY IN CLAY COUNTY FOR ABOUT 25 YEARS. I'VE LIVED IN JACKSONVILLE FOR ABOUT 15 YEARS BEFORE MOVING TO CLAY. SO, I'VE
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SEEN A LOT OF GROWTH AND CHANGE IN CLAY COUNTY AND THE RATE OF GROWTH AS YOU ALL KNOW IS GOING TO CONTINUE FOR MANY YEARS TO COME. PROPER MANAGEMENT OF THIS GROWTH WILL BE A MAJOR FACTOR THAT WILL DETERMINE QUALITY OF LIFE IN CLAY COUNTY FOR ALL OF US AND FORD OUR CHILDREN. IT WILL REQUIRE CITIZENS ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION THAT ARE HONEST AND FAIR, ABLE TO LOOK AT ISSUES FROM ALL SIDES INVOLVED AND ALWAYS ACT IN A WAY THAT WILL BENEFIT THE CITIZENS OF CLAY TODAY AND IN. THAT'S THE TYPE OF COMMISSIONER I'D LIKE TO BE IF GIVEN A CHANCE. THANK YOU.ALSO JUST WANTED TO MENTION ON ANOTHER SUBJECT I'VE BEEN TO SEVERAL OF THESE MEETINGS. I'VE BEEN TO A FEW OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETINGS. PREVIOUSLY I WAS AT A LOT OF CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS AT ANOTHER CITY THAT I WON'T NAME. I JUST WANTED TO KNOW THAT THINGS ARE VERY DIFFERENT HERE. WHAT I SEE HERE IS PEOPLE THAT LOOK AT ALL SIDES OF THE ISSUE. THEY DISCUSS IT.
THEY PUT A LOT OF THOUGHT AND CARE INTO TRYING TO DO THINGS THAT ARE RIGHT. I KNOW IT'S NOT BROUGHT UP VERY OFTEN SO I JUST WARRANTED TO MENTION IT. THANK YOU.
>> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: THANK YOU, BRIAN, THAT'S THE ONLY COMPLIMENT WE'VE HAD IN A WHILE
[LAUGHTER] >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: IF I COULD MAKE A COMMENT? I LOVE BILL GARRISON TO DEATH. HE IS GREAT GUY. BUT HE IS PRESIDENT OF THE BUILDERS ASSOCIATION. I GOT MICHAEL BOURRE ON HERE WHO IS A BIG TIME BUILDER. I MEAN, WE'RE HIRING THE FOXES TO BUILD THE CHICKEN COOP HERE. THE IDEA OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION TOSS GIVE US A FAIR UNBIASED SHOT AT GETTING THE ZONING RIGHT AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF. THAT'S ALL THE COMMENT I WANT TO MAKE.
THINK ABOUT THE FOLKS THAT ARE ON THERE. YOU KNOW, THERE WAS FORMER COMMISSIONERS WHO SAID THEY DIDN'T WANT ANY REAL ESTATE PEOPLE OR ANY BUILDERS ON THERE. WE'VE GOT ONE ON IF BOURRE GETS BACK ON AND MAYBE GARRISON AND MAYBE WE REPLACE ONE. I DON'T KNOW THE OTHERS.
>> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: WIGGINS IS A BUILDER. >> COMMISSIONER: BOL IF WE GOT ALL THE BUILDERS ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION, I THINK THAT'S SORT OF DEFEATS THE PURPOSE OF A
PLANNING COMMISSION MYSELF. THAT'S HOW I FEEL ABOUT IT. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: THANK YOU, SIR. LET'S GO AHEAD AND ACT ON THE REQUEST FOR THE REAPPOINTMENTS. MICHAEL BOURRE AND ROBERT MACHALA. THEY'RE SERVING OUT THEIR TERM BUT SEEKNG REAPPOINTMENT. WHAT'S
THE BOARD'S PLEASURE ON THESE TWO GENTLEMEN? >> COMMISSIONER CELLA: I WOULD MAKE A MOTION TO REAPPROVE BOTH FOR ANOTHER TERM. MR. BOURRE HAS BEEN ON THE BOARD A NUMBER OF YEARS AND HE IS THE CURRENT CHAIRMAN. I THINK HE DOES A GOOD JOB. I THINK EVEN THOUGHHE'S GOT -- YOU KNOW HE IS A BUILDER, HE'S LOOKED AT SOME PROJECTS AND ACTUALLY WAS ABLE TO MODIFY SOME PROJECTS AND DO THINGS BECAUSE HE WAS A BUILDER AND UNDERSTOOD WHAT THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT.
MR. MACHALA. HE'S SOMEBODY I'VE KNOWN FOR 17 YEARS. ME'S BEEN ON THE FLEMING ISLAND ADVISORY COUNCIL. ON THE FLEMING ISLAND PLANTATION HOA, SERVED HERE FOR TWO YEARS AND PROVED HIMSELF TO BE VERY KNOWLEDGEABLE AND ALSO STAND-UP AND FORTHRIGHT WHEN IT COMES TO VOTING AGAINST
PROJECTS. SO, I THINK THOSE TWO -- >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: WOULD YOU
MOVE ON THOSE TWO? >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: CELLA YES, SIR.
>> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: I'LL SECOND IT. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. SO, DONE. OKAY NOW WE COME DOWN TO THE NINE NEXT
APPLICANTS. THESE ARE NOT DISTRICT SPECIFIC ARE THEY? >> CORRECT.
>> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: YOU CAN VOTE ON ANY OF THEM. NO GEOGRAPHICAL REQUIREMENTS.
>> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: I'LL NOM NOMINATE HAL ENNIS.
>> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: I GUESS WE SHOULD DO THESE ONE AT A TIME. IS THERE A SECOND?
>> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: CAN WE VOTE ON THE PREVIOUS MOTION MADE? MR. GAR ISSON. THE MOTION
AND A SECOND ON THAT ONE. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: OKAY THAT IS A PENDING MOTION. I'M SORRY.
>> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: THE REASON I AM IN FAVOR OF IT IS ALTHOUGH HIS PROFESSION WITH IS THE BUILDERS HIS HEART IS IN CLAY HILL AND THAT'S WHERE HE'S RAISED HIS FAMILY AND HE IS PART OF THE COMMUNITY. AND I EXPECT HIM TO BE PROFESSIONAL IN VOTING BASED ON WHAT'S BEST FOR THE COMMUNITY NOT BEST FOR BUILDERS. IF HE EVER DOESN'T DO THAT, WE CAN KICK HIM OFF.
>> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: THAT'S WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY. WE HAVE A MOTION FOR BILL GARRISON IS
THERE A SECOND? >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: SECOND.
>> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: ALL IN FAVOR FOR BILL GARRISON SAY AYE. MOTION CARRIES. ALL OPPOSED.
MOTION CARRIES. >> COMMISSIONER CELLA: CAN I MAKE A MOTION OR AT LEAST NOT
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MAKE A MOTION BUT MAKE A COMMENT IN REGARDS TO THANKING THE FOLKS THAT APPLIED. I MEAN, THERE WERE TIMES WHEN WE WERE TRYING TO DESPERATELY FIND SOMEBODY TO VOLUNTEER AND GIVE OF THEIR TIME AND, YOU KNOW, THEIR GOODWILL IN TERMS OF SERVE IVGG THE BOARD AND THIS TIME WE HAD A NUMBER OF PEOPLE SUPREMELY WELL QUALIFIED AND WE CERTAINLY APPRECIATE THAT AND MR. KRAUT I'VE BEEN DOWN TO HIS PLACE AT THE AIR PARK AND I KNOW HE'S A GOOD CITIZEN WHO DESPERATELY WOULD LIKE TO HELPOUT IN SOME CAPACITY. SO, I THANK YOU FOR APPLYING. >> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: AND ARE
THERE OTHER BOARDS THAT HAVE OPENINGS? >> COMMISSIONER CELLA: WE
HOPEFULLY GET EVERYBODY TO DO SOMETHING. >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE CURRENT PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION. ARE ALL OF THE DISTRICTS
REPRESENTED? >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: MINE IS. >> COMMISSIONER: HUMP --
>> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: BECAUSE I LOST MINE. MISS BRENDA KICSAK. I HAVE SOMEBODY THAT LIVES IN ORANGE PARK THAT WE DON'T HAVE ANYONE FROM -- NOT ORANGE PARK PROPER BUT UP IN THAT AREA. AND I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANYBODY IN THE NORTHEAST PART OF THE COUNTY THAT'S
REPRESENTED. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: NORTON? SO, WE STILL GOT ONE SPOT HERE TO FILL. SO, I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR THE SECOND FINAL SPOT.
>> COMMISSIONER CELLA: WELL YOU DID HAVE A MOTION HERE AND THEN YOU GOT A MOTION THERE.
>> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: I'M SORRY. COMMISSION BOL -- >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: WELL I MOTIONED HAL ENNIS. BUT IF IT'S DIANE'S APPOINTMENT SHE CAN DO HER THING.
>> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: MOTION FOR HOWARD NORTON AND A SECOND. I UNDERSTOOD YOU WERE GOOD WITH
WITHDRAWING YOUR MOTION. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: YES, SIR. IN THE INTEREST OF BOARD AIM EM
ATY. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: ALL THAT FAVOR AYE. HOWARD NORTON IT IS.
OKAY. PUBLIC COMMENTS. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: YES, SIR! >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: COME ON
[PUBLIC COMMENTS]
JAMES. STAY ON TOPIC. CLACK THAT'S A GOOD ONE! I LIKE THAT [LAUGHTER] OH SHOOT. SORRY. SEX TOYS OF CLAY COUNTY. I COMPLIMENTED YOU A COUPLE OF TIMES TOO SIR TONIGHT. YOU MIGHT WANT TO GO BACK AND RELOOK AT THE MEETING. I WOULD SUGGEST THAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT REMOVE THE MOTORCYCLES. IT'S TOO HAZARDOUS IN CLAY COUNTY. WE GOT ABOUT 43 EXTRA POLICE CARS SITTING AT THE SCHOOLS DOING NOTHING. SO, IF WE COULD LOOK AT THAT. 12 TO $40 MILLION IN FEES WOULD DO A LOT OF YOUR WISH LIST. I WANT YOU ALL TO REMEMBER THAT OKAY.ANOTHER THING IS DISASTER. NATURAL DISASTERS. DO YOU HAVE A FUND IN PLACE? I KNOW YOU ARE SPENDING A LOT OF MONEY HERE AND ASKING A LOT BUT DO I HAVE THAT? GREEN COVE SPRINGS SHOULD BE THE CITY THAT CLAY COUNTY NOMINATES TO BE THEIR REPRESENTATIVE FOR THE COUNTY. BECAUSE YOU AS A COUNTY DO NOT GET RECOGNIZED AND YOU ARE LOOKING FOR A CITY. TALLAHASSEE TOMORROW GOING TO TALLAHASSEE. HOPE TO SEE YOU ALL THERE. WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT THE FIRST BAPTIST CHURCH. THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO PUT IN A BRIDGE TO PUT ALL THOSE BUILDINGS THERE AT 218 AND 21. WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHY THEY DIDN'T PUT THAT BRIDGE IN BEFORE THEY PUT ALL THOSE BUILDINGS IN. THE NECKLACE IS MORE LIKE A NOOSE THAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT EARLIER TODAY. A NOOSE NOT A NECKLACE.
THE BONDING AREA. BUILDING WITHOUT THE INFRASTRUCTURE FEE. YOU KNOW, I COULD JUST GO ON AND ON AND ON ABOUT ALL THESE ISSUES BUT I WANT YOU TO REMEMBER THAT FOOTBALL IS CHILD ABUSE OKAY.
IT'S BULLYING IN OUR SCHOOLS. IF YOU ARE AN ADULT AND WANT TO RUN INTO EACH OTHER, BY ALL MEANS I HOPE YOU BOTH GET KNOCKED OUT. BUT THIS ISN'T RIGHT FOR OUR KIDS TO BE DOING. YOU KNOW, RUNNING OUR KIDS INTO EACH OTHER. WE GOT THESE SHOOTINGS IN OUR SCHOOLS. I KNOW IT'S MORE THAN JUST FOOTBALL. WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE VIDEO GAMES THAT OUR WHITE BROTHERS ARE PLAYING AND CREATING ISSUES IN OUR SOCIETY. WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE PARKLAND SHOOTING. BOTH OF THOSE ROOMS WERE TARGETED. AND THEY WERE BOTH FOOTBALL COACHES. WE NEED TO KEEP THAT IN MIND. WE NEED
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TO KEEP IN MIND THAT WE NEED TRANSGENDER BATHROOMS FOR ALL REASONS THAT I DON'T NEED TO EXPLAIN TO YOU. I'VE BROUGHT UP THE ISSUE ABOUT THERE'S A GOOD BOOK OUT THERE "THE LEAGUE OF DENIAL" THAT TALKS ABOUT FOOTBALL AND BRAIN DAMAGES AND HOW THEY LIE FOR THE NFL. WE NEED TO KEEP THEIR GRANTS STRAIGHT. WE NEED GOOD GRARNTS LIKE FOR THE QUIGLEY HOUSE AND PACE FOR GIRLS. WE DO NOT AT ALL NEED A LOAN FOR THE FAIRGROUNDS. THAT IS THE MOSTRIDICULOUS THING I'VE EVER HEARD. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: OKAY MR. AUTO. TIME'S UP. YOU JUST HAD YOUR LAST WORD, SIR. THE LAST WORD YOU HAVE HAD. SIT
DOWN. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: THANK YOU SIR.
[COMMISSIONERS' COMMENTS]
>> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: YOU ARE WELCOME. ANY LAST COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD?
>> WE HAVE ONE MORE PUBLIC COMMENT. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: I'M SORRY. I
APOLOGIZE. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: THAT'S OKAY. TANYA MCKAY SILVERADO CIRCLE GREEN COVE SPRINGS. I JUST WANTED TO TAKE A FEW MINUTES TO SAY THANK YOU. I AM THE WIDOW OF THE MOST RECENT PASSING IN CLAY COUNTY. MY HUSBAND WAS A FIREFIGHTER AND I DID LOSE MY INSURANCE THREE DAYS AFTER HIS PASSING FOR ME AND MY THREE CHILDREN. SO THAT'S BEEN AS COMMISSIONER ROLLINS SAID SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN STRESSING ME OUT ON TOP OF PLANNING HIS SERVICES. SO, I DO APPRECIATE YOU GUYS TAKING THE STANCE TO HELP ME AND MY FAMILY OUT AND AT LEAST SECURING HEALTH INSURANCE SO I DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THE HEALTH MOVE I DAUGHTERS WHILE WE'RE TRANSITIONING INTO THIS PHASE. SO, I WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR MANAGING
THAT DECISION. IT REALLY MEANS A LOT TO ME AND MY FAMILY. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: GOD BLESS YOU YOUNG LADY. THANK YOU FOR COMING DOWN. SORRY YOU HAD TO WAIT ALL NIGHT TO SAY THOSE FAIR
WORDS. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: IMPACT FEE STUDIES. I UNDERSTAND IT'S
TEED UP. >> WE'RE WORKING ON THE SCOPE FOR THE RFQ AND/OR RFP I FORGET WHICH ONE AND IT WILL GO OUT HOPEFULLY TO BE AWARDED BY THE BEGINNING OF THE SUMMER SO THE WORK CAN BE DONE AND THE STUDY CAN BE COMPLETED FOR A MOBILITY FEE BY OCTOBER.
>> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: WHEN WE SAY MOBILITY FEE WHAT'S COOKING THERE? ARE WE TALKING ABOUT
DOING A MOBILITY FEE. >> REMEMBER WHEN WE GOT RID OF THE FAIR SHARE PROPORTIONATE SHARE IN CONNECTION WITH D.O.T. WE HAD TO SWITCH IT TO MOBILITY FEE. THAT'S IN ACCORDANCE TO
THE STATUTE SO THAT'S WHY IT'S MOVING IN THAT DIRECTION. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: IS THERE
GOING TO BE A FORMAL MEETING ON WHAT THAT MEANS AND ALL THAT? >> SURE. YES.
>> COMMISSONER BOLLA:. OKAY. WHEN? >> AT LEAST BY OCTOBER.
>> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: OKAY. THE HURRICANE WAS MENTIONED. WHAT'S THE STATUS ON OUR REIMBURSEMENT
FOR HURRICANE FROM FEMA? ANYBODY KNOW? >> I'LL GET BACK TO YOU ON THAT.
>> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: OKAY. THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: MAY GOD SAVE THE REPUBLIC AND THIS MEETING IS
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.