Jan 21, 2020 Infrastructure and Development

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>> GOOD AFTERNOON. I'D LIKE TO CALL THIS MEETING TO

ORDER. >> GOT A NUMBER OF ITEMS ON THE AGENDA. BEFORE WE GO TOO MUCH FURTHER

[PUBLIC COMMENTS]

>> IF YOU WANT TO TURN YOUR CARD IN BEFORE YOU WALK ALL THE WAY OVER THERE AND HAVE TO COME BACK IN YOUR BOOT.

I NOTICED YOU HAVE ON A BOOT. >> I'VE BEEN WALKING ALL OVER TALLAHASSEE. JAMES OTTO.

I WAS VERY DISCOURAGED WHEN I WATCHED THIS PRIOR MEETING ABOUT A LOAN FOR THE FAIRGROUNDS. I SEEN THAT ABOUT THE ALLOCATION THAT YOU WERE TALK ABOUT AND THAT IT COULD GO BACK , THE MONEY DOESN'T HAVE TO BE SPENT. I DO KNOW THAT THE BATHROOMS ARE KIND OF A MESS AND MAYBE YOU NEED TO PUT SOME TRANSGENDER BATHROOMS IN THERE. VERY LITTLE SHOULD BE SPENT ON THE FAIRGROUNDS. IF WE GO INTO A BAD ECONOMY, WE COULD GET IT DONE FOR A LOT CHEAPER.

AS Y'ALL HAVE STATED MANY TIMES, THE CONTRACTORS ARE REALLY BUSY RIGHT NOW. SO I'D ASK YOU TO WHEN YOU ARE DOING THE PLAN, IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A PLAN AND THEN WE WOULD GO FROM THERE. I'M ASKING YOU TO PUT THAT WHOLE SITUATION OFF. WE DON'T NEED TO FIX 16 RIGHT NOW. YOU ARE PUSHING THAT KIND OF BECAUSE OF THE FAIRGROUND. WE NEED TO STICK WITH 21 AND 218 WHERE THEY CAN'T GET FROM THE PUBLIC HOUSING OVER THE BRIDGE TO THE GROCERY STORES. I KNOW Y'ALL KNOW ABOUT ALL THAT MONEY WE WASTED ON THE REPAIRS INSTEAD OF JUST DOING 218 AND 21 WHEN IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE MANY YEARS AGO.

I DO APPRECIATE THE SIDEWALKS AFTER FIVE PLUS YEARS OF ASKING FOR THOSE ON 218. I DO APPRECIATE THAT.

ON THE INFRASTRUCTURE IT'S GOING TO BE PRETTY MUCH MANDATORY I BELIEVE AND THEY ARE LOOKING THAT THE SAME SCENARIO.

I HEARD SOME TALK ABOUT A JUNIOR HIGH ON FLEMING ISLAND.

I COULD JUST GO ON AND ON ABOUT THE OVERGROWTH IN CLAY COUNTY.

I HOPE THE CITIZENS GO BACK AND REWATCH THESE MEETINGS OR WATCH THEM FOR THE FIRST TIME ON CLAY COUNTY GOV OR GIVE ME AN EMAIL.

OR SEE THEM UP THERE IN TALLAHASSEE THIS WEEK, NEXT WEEK OR SOMETIME SOON DURING THE SESSION HERE IN THE 60 DAY SESSION. I SEE MY TIME IS UP.

THANK YOU MRS. HUTCHENS. >> THANK YOU MR. OTTO.

ANYONE ELSE WITH THE PUBLIC COMMENT? IF NONE, WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT SESSION AND MOVE TO OUR

[Project Updates (Dale Smith, James Householder, Milton Towns)]

>> THE THREE HANDOUTS I HAVE WITH REGARD TO PROJECTS COLOR CODED GREEN, YELLOW RED. SO THERE IS PUBLIC WORKS, PARKS AND REC AND ENVIRONMENTAL. ON THE FIRST ONE WHICH IS THE THICKER OF THE THREE. THE TOP ONE IS DEOF DOT ATLANTIC CHALLENGER AND BRANDON MILL PUBLIC WORKS SPECIFICALLY ON THIS AND DEAL. WE'VE BEEN IN COMMUNICATION WITHDREW KELLY. HE'S THE C.E.O. OF THE AR MY CORP OF ENGINEERS. THERE IS JUST SOME FINAL PERMITTING ISSUES WITH THAT WE'LL GET THROUGH.

AND WORKING THROUGH THAT. ANYTHING MORE TO ADD ON THAT?

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>> IT WILL STAY YELLOW FOR AT LEAST A MONTH.

THAT SHOULD BE STARTING HOPEFULLY THIS WEEK.

SO YOU'LL SEE IT YELLOW FOR THE NEXT COUPLE OF MEETINGS AND THEN IT SHOULD GO GREEN. THE PLANS ARE 100% FINISHED.

WE NEED TO GET OUR PERMIT FROM THE CORP.

TALKED TO THE WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT.

THEY ARE WAITING FOR OUR MITIGATION CREDITS.

THEY HELD THAT UNTIL WE FIGURE OUT WHAT CREDITS WE NEED FOR THE CORP. WE DON'T HAVE TO BUY TWO SETS.

WE THINK THE CORE IS GOING TO BE GREATER.

WHAT WE BUY FOR THE CORE IS GOING TO WORK FOR THE MANAGEMENT

DISTRICT. >> WITH THE STATE GRANT WE HAVE

A DEADLINE RIGHT? >> IT WAS A FIVE YEAR GRANT SO

WE HAVE PLENTY OF TIME FOR THAT. >> IT ALSO COVERED NUMBERS AND

JOBS TOO CORRECT? >> NOT JUST THE CONSTRUCTION BUT

NUMBERS OF JOBS WERE FOCUSED ON. >> AND THEN IF THERE IS NO QUESTIONS OTHER THAN PUBLIC WORKS WE'LL MOVE ON THE PARKS AND REC. AND I THINK AND JAMES IS HERE, HE CAN COME ON UP TO THE PODIUM. I THINK ONE AREA ON HERE IT'S WITH REGARDS TO THE LAST BCC MEETING IT WAS MUSEUM.

AND THE ROOF. THAT IS NOT ON HERE.

I DID RECEIVE A LETTER ON FRIDAY FROM THE PRESENT ELECT ON THAT AND JAMES I BELIEVE IS WORKING ON IT AND CAN GIVE US AN UPDATE ON IT. THE CRITICALITY IS THEY HAVE A TOUR THAT IS COMING IN FEBRUARY SO WE WANT TO TRY TO GET THIS

DONE QUICKLY AND OUR FOCUS. >> DID MAKE CONTACT WITH THE CONTRACTOR THIS AFTERNOON AND HE'S GOING TO TRY TO GET THERE BEFORE THE END OF NEXT WEEK. LIKE TO PRESSURE WASH THIS WEEK AND CLEAR THE MUCK OFF OF THAT THING.

HOPEFULLY GET IN THERE DEPENDING ON WEATHER GET IN THERE THIS

COMING WEEK. >> OK.

WE'RE BID THROUGH THAT RIGHT? >> ACTUALLY IT CAME IN, WE JUST GOT QUOTES. WE DIDN'T HAVE TO GO OUT FOR BID ON THAT PROJECT. WE THINK THE PRESENT PLAN FOR THE RECEILING USING A SILICONE ACELL I CAN BASED SEALER OVER THE ENTIRE ENVELOPE OF THE ROOF WILL DEAL WITH THIS PROBLEM.

THEY ARE GOING TO DO RECONTOURING DOWN TO THE VALLEY.

WATER COLLECTING AND HAVING A CHANCE TO SIT THERE AND FIND ITS WAY THROUGH THE CROCK IS A PROBLEM.

>> WHAT ABOUT OUR NEPTUNE FIELD THERE?

>> THEY ARE ON TRACK. THEY ARE LAYING SOD.

WENT BY THERE FRIDAY LAST WEEK AND THEY HAD A LOT OF TREES IN.

THEY'LL FINISH UP SOD THIS WEEK. THAT WILL ONLY LEAVE THE POURING OF THE DRIVEWAY FROM THE ROAD UP TO THE CONCESSION AND PUTTING THE GATE IN. THEY ARE ON TRACK FOR THE END OF THE MONTH TO FINISH UP ON THAT. SO WE'LL HAVE TO START TALKING ABOUT A LEASE PRETTY QUICKLY HERE.

WHICH WE'LL DISCUSS LEASES WHEN WE'RE IN THIS MEETING LATER.

>> ANYTHING ELSE? >> THE PROJECTS YOU NEED AN

UPDATE ON? >> I GUESS NOT.

>> THANK YOU. >> AND THEN ON THE ENVIRONMENTAL SERVICES SIDE JUST TO POINT OUT, THEY ARE ALL GREEN SO ON TRACK.

THE HAZARDOUS WASTE STORAGE BUILDINGS , THE PO'S ARE IN FOR THE ELECTRICITY. FOR HA AND THEN INSPECTIONS.

I TALKED TO MILTON. HE SAID BY THE END OF THE MONTH IF NOT THE FIRST WEEK OF FEBRUARY IT SHOULD BE COMPLETE THE INSTALLATION OF THE BUILDINGS.

ANY QUESTIONS THAN? >> JUST LOOKING AT THE LAST ONE ON THE LIST. THE ANTILITTERING CAMPAIGN,

WHERE ARE WE ON THAT? >> I'LL HAVE TO GET THE DETAILS

ON IT. >> SHOULD BE IT SAYS ESTIMATED COMPLETION BY MIDDLE OF NOVEMBE. BUT I'LL FIND OUT SOME

ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ON THAT. >> OK.

>> ANYTHING SNELLS. >> THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR EFFORTS TO UPDATE EVERYBODY ON THOSE PROJECTS.

LET'S MOVE TO THE DISCUSSION OF STEM AND CTE.

[Discussion of STEM/CTE (Kathy Schofield, Kelly Mosley, Makayla Buchanan, Bo Norton)]

>> GOOD AFTERNOON. THANK YOU.

SO I WAS INVITED TO COME TODAY TO PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT WE'RE DOING IN TERMS OF CURRENT TECHNICAL EDUCATION AND

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EVERY SIXTH GRADE STUDENT THIS YEAR WILL HAVE ROBOTICS.

ESSENTIALLY THEY GET THIS TEAMS AND LOOKS LIKE THEY'VE CRASH LANDED ON MARS AND THEY HAVE TO CODE THE ROBOT TO ROVE AROUND THE PLANET AND DO A SERIES OF ACTIVITIES TO MEET THEIR TASK.

ALL THE STUDENTS WILL HAVE THAT. ROBOTICS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR ABOUT FIVE YEARS IN CLAY COUNTY. AND WE HAVE THEM IN HIGH SCHOOLS. WE HAVE BROUGHT THAT DOWN LOWER AND LOWER. WE WORK A LOT WITH KATHY WHO I KNOW YOU MET RECENTLY AND HAVE HONORED.

SHE'S ON OUR BOARD AND WE WORK CLOSELY TO DO THAT.

THEY HAVE WORKED ON A SERIES OF INITIATIVES WITH US.

AND WE'VE MET WITH HOWIE AND OTHERS TO BRIDGE THE TALENT PIPELINE FOR THE WORK FORCE. WORK FORCE DEVELOPMENT IS IMPORTANT AND STUDENTS WITH COMPUTER SCIENCE SKILLS AND 21ST CENTURY SKILLS IN GENERAL AND SKILLED LABOR.

THROUGH CTE PROGRAMS AND THE SCHOOL DISTRICT THEY ARE OVER 80 PROGRAMS FROM WELDING TO FASHION TO AVIATION AND OTHERS.

WE GO K-12 AND TRY TO BUILD THE FUNDAMENTALS OF COMPUTERS SCIENCE. WE'RE EXCITED.

WE'RE GOING TO LAUNCH A STEM VAN AND WILL DRIVE AROUND TO THE SCHOOLS. PROVIDE A SERIES OF MICROSOFT EDUCATION AAND HACKING STEM LESSONS.

THEY TAKE THINGS ALREADY IN THE KIM COLUMN AND APPLY COOL STUFF.

ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE, DRONE TECHNOLOGY, THINGS OUR STUDENTS DON'T HAVE A LOT OF BUT ARE FLORIDA STANDARD IN THE CURRICULUM. WE'RE DOING EVERYTHING WE CAN TO BUILD THE WORK FORCE UP TOMORROW AND WORKING EVERY DAY TO BUILD MORE BRIDGES IN THE COMMUNITY AND BUSINESS PARTNERS.

THIS WEEKEND I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO GO TO ST. PETE AND VISIT THEIR INNOVATION CENTER AND SEE WHAT THEY CO-THERE. THE PINELLAS EDUCATION FOUNDATION HAS DONE GREAT WORK. HOPEFULLY TO LEARN A FEW THINGS FROM THEM AND BRING IT BACK TO CLAY COUNTY.

THANK YOU. >> YOU SHOULD KNOW BACK IN SEPTEMBER I THINK IT WAS I WAS INTERVIEWED BY THE ROBOTIC CLUB AND THE WHOLE PREMISE WAS TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT THE COUNTY NEEDED THAT THEY COULD DO A STUDY ON AND PRESENT.

AND THEY DID THAT AND I GUESS IT WAS NOVEMBER OR DECEMBER THEY PRESENTED IT. I'VE BEEN IN TOUCH WITH THEM HEATHER TURNER WHO RUNS THE ROBOTICS CLUB THERE AND THEY'D LIKE TO COME IN AND PRESENT THAT.

THEY CAME UP NOT ONLY THE PROJECT BUT COST FOR THE PROJECT AND THEY WERE OUT MEASURING AND DID THE WHOLE THING.

WE'RE ANXIOUS TO SEE WHAT THEY HAVE FOR US.

THAT WAS PART OF THE ROBOTICS REAL WORLD SOLUTION IS WHAT THEY

WERE LOOKING TO. >> THANK YOU FOR SHARING.

>> VERY GOOD. THANKS.

>> ANY QUESTIONS? >> NO.

INTERESTING. >> I ALSO HAD BOAZ A GUEST TO TALK ABOUT SOME OF THOSE INITIATIVES.

I ALSO PASSED OUT THE CAREER AND EDUCATION PROGRAMS THROUGHOUT

THE HIGH SCHOOLS. >>

>> IN THE DISCUSSIONS WE'VE HAD WITH NAVAL AIR SYSTEMS COMMAND, STEM IS VERY IMPORTANT FOR SEVERAL REASONS.

VERY IMPORTANT WE WILL CONTINUE OUR EFFORTS WORKING WITH THEM COORDINATING THE STEM REQUIREMENTS AS WELL AS WHAT SELLS REQUIRED BY THEM TO TRY AND ENCOURAGE THEM TO GROW MORE BUSINESS IN CLAY. ALSO WANT TO PICK UP ONE THING THAT MCKAYLA MENTIONED WAS GOING DOWN TO ST. PETE TO LOOK AT SOME

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I UNDERSTAND THAT THE PRESIDENT PRESIDENT FOX IS VERY INTERESTED IN GROWING UF PARTICULARLY STEM AND ENGINEERING SIDE.

TO ME I THINK CLAY HAS A LOT TO OFFER BUT YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE A WORKING AGREEMENT WITH THEM TO SET THIS UP.

WHEN WE MET WITH THEM TWO YEARS AGO, THEY TOLD US THEY WERE LOOKING AT ESTABLISHING UPWARDS OF 10 REGIONAL INNOVATION VAGUES CENTERS OR THEY CALLED THEM FLEX CENTERS AROUND THE STATE.

AND THEY WERE LOOKING AT NORTHEAST FLORIDA.

TO MY KNOWLEDGE THEY HAVEN'T MOVED AHEAD ON THAT.

HOWEVER THEY DO HAVE ONE DOWN IN SARASOTA.

SO THE QUESTION THEN IS WHY CAN'T CLAY COUNTY HAVE SOMETHING I THINK THAT'S A STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.

LOOKING AT THAT. WE COULD PROBABLY TAKE A LOT OF THIS OFFLINE RATHER THAN WASTE A LOT OF TIME NOW.

>> SOUND LIKE YOU'VE HAYED GROUND WORK.

IT COMES DOWN THE RELATIONSHIPS. WE PROBABLY NEED TO REACH OUT TO THEM AND HAVE ANOTHER MEETING. MAKES SENSE.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

>> AND ANYBODY ELSE THAT WE ARE TALKING TO ABOUT STEM TODAY?

>> NO, SIR. THAT WAS IT.

I THINK IF IT'S OK AND MAYBE BRING TO THE NEXT BCC MEETING IF WE FIND A CHAMPION FOR US TO TALK TO UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA.

THEY MAY BE OUT HERE IN THE AUDIENCE AND WE CAN BRING IT TO BOARD AND I CAN PRESENT THAT AND MAYBE INVITE BO AGAIN AND TRY TO EXPAND THAT. THAT CORRIDOR IS SOMETHING THEY ARE FOCUSED ON AS IT GOES FROMMER IS SOTTA TO ORLANDO, GAINESVILLE HERE AND THIS IS I DID DEFINITELY A VIABLE OPPORTUNITY. I THINK IT'S CERTAINLY WORTH THE

OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE. >> AND NOT TO LEAVE OUT ST. JOHN'S AND ALSO UNIVERSITY OF NORTH FLORIDA.

THOSE ARE OTHER AREAS TOO WE'RE PURSUING AND HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT AND COMBINE IT ALL TOGETHER.

ALSO WANTED TO MENTION. >> THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE FOR YOUR INPUT ON THAT.

I KNOW HOWARD PRIME MOVER IN INITIATING OUR THOUGHTS ON THIS.

HE ADDED IT TO THE TITLE OF COMMITTEE.

I KNOW HE'LL CONTINUE TO MOVE. THAT I THINK THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US THAT I THINK OPPORTUNITY IS THERE SO WE NEED TO TAKE FULL ADVANTAGE OF IT. SO LEAVE STEM BEHIND AND START TALKING ABOUT SOME ROADS AND SOME ALTERNATE PROPOSALS FOR THOSE ROADS AND WHERE DO WE WANT TO START.

>> I THINK AND IF IT'S OK WITH THE BOARD, I THINK IT PROBABLY BE A GOOD TIME TO ASK SUSAN TO COME UP AND GIVE HER BRIEF.

[Discussion of Bond Projects & Alternate Proposals - (Dale Smith and Susan Fraser)]

DALE IS IN THE AUDIENCE. I WILL TEE IT UP FOR SUSAN A LITTLE BIT. AS A GROUP WE'VE MET WITH SUSAN

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I THINK THE DOLLAR AMOUNTS THAT ARE ON THE LAST PAGE ANDDALE IS HERE, HE SHOULD HAVE A COPY OF IT TOO.

I THINK THEY'VE BEEN WORKING TOGETHER SUSAN AND DEAL ON THIS TO GET TO MORE ACCURATE NUMBERS. THAT'S BEEN A CONCERN OF THE BOARD I KNOW. AND HAVING A SECOND SET OF EYES TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT HAS BENEFITED THE COUNTY.

ALTERNATIVES TO GO THROUGH. I THINK WE'LL NARROW IT DOWN TO ONE WE CAME ONE ABOUT A WEEK AGO.

I THINK THAT KIND OF TEES IT UP AND MR. CHAIRMAN.

>> GOOD AFTERNOON. >> THANK YOU HI.

I'M HERE THIS AFTERNOON WITH JEFF FROM ETM.

HE AND HEATHER AT ETM DID THE MODELING FOR THE ROAD ALTERNATIVES WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT SO YOU CAN ASK QUESTIONS OF HIM IF WE COME TO THE CONCLUSION AND YOU HAVE SOME.

I WILL V GEORGE AND ALLEN SKINNER WITH BRADLEY WHO ARE LANDOWNERS IN THE AREA. WE'RE HERE TO TALK ABOUT ROAD IMPROVEMENTS AND THEN GO DOWN TO NUT AND BOLTS ABOUT FUNDING OF THOSE IMPROVEMENTS. WHILE WE ALL HAVE TALKED ABOUT HOW THESE ROAD IMPROVEMENTS BECOME DISTILLED INTO A LIST, I WOULD LIKE TO STEP BACK A LITTLE BIT AND TALK ABOUT HOW WE GOT HERE BECAUSE THERE IS A LOT OF EFFORT THAT HAS GONE INTO MAKING THESE DECISIONS AND EVERYONE NEEDS TO HAVE A CONSENSUS ON HOW WE GOT HERE. THE COUNTY RELIES ON THE LONG RANGE TRANSPORTATION PLAN OVERALL WHEN IT MAKES DECISIONS ABOUT WIDENING ROAD AND MAKING IMPROVEMENTS.

THAT'S A PROCESS UNDER TAKEN BY THE MPO.

THEY ARE NOW INTO THEIR 2045 LONG RANGE PLAN.

ALL OF THIS INFORMATION YOU GET TODAY IS BASEND TO 2040 LONG RANGE PLAN W. THAT YOUR IMPACT FEE STUDY USES PARTICULAR DATA I'M GOING TO TALK ABOUT AND SO DID THE TPO TO GIVE YOU THOSE RESULTS FOR THE 2040 HORIZON. WHAT HAPPENS IS THE COUNTY DEVELOPS A LIST OF DATA THAT SAYS WHO IS COMING TO CLAY COUNTY AND WHERE ARE THEY GOING TO LIVE IN THE FUTURE.

WE USE THIS AND THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT USES THIS TO SAY ARE WE GOING TO WIDEN I95 OR U.S. 17.

THE COUNTY USES THE SAME DATA AND OUT PUTS TO MAKE DECISIONS ABOUT ROADS IT MIGHT IMPROVE. SO THIS WAS PREPARED BY YOUR STAFF. IT HAD A PROJECTION OF 24,000 NEW HOUSEHOLDS IN THE AREA WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

SO BETWEEN NOW AND 2040 WE ARE LOOKING AT 24,000 NEW HOUSEHOLDS AND 16,000 EMPLOYEES. AND SO WHILE WE HAVE THIS TABLE I THINK JEFF HAS TALKED TODALE SINCE THE STUDY ■WAS DONE, SINCE THE TPO WAS DONE AND I THINK JEFF IS GOING TO OUTLINE A COUPLE OF CHANGES HE THINKS ARE APPROPRIATE AND TELL YOU THE RESULTS. USING THIS INFORMATION THE COUNTY USED ITS DECISION MAKING PROCESS AND SAID WE NEED TO WIDEN COUNTY ROAD 209 AND WIDEN SAND RIDGE.

THOSE WOULD BE FOUR LANE IMPROVEMENTS TO THOSE ROAD AND THIS MAP IS TELLING YOU THAT THE GREEN ROADS ARE FOUR LANE PROPOSED IMPROVEMENTS. IT'S 209 FROM 17 TO 315B.

FROM 315B TO SAND RIDGE AND THEN THE WHOLE LENGTH OF SAND RIDGE ROAD. AND SO IN 2040 WHEN THE POPULATION OF LAKE AS BURY WE THINK IS COME AGGRIEVES WE'RE GOING TO NEED SOME MORE ROADS. THIS IS ACTUALLY JUST A PICTURE OF HOW THAT INFORMATION IS DISTILLED INTO A MODEL.

A LONG RANGE TRANSPORTATION MODELS NOT AN OPERATIONS MODEL.

IT'S NOT I'M BUILDING A WAL-MART AND PUTTING A DRIVEWAY HERE AND WHERE DO I NEED A TURN LANE. THIS IS MORE GLOBAL.

IT IS LONG RANGE AND IT IS A MORE SIMPLIFIED REPRESENTATION OF THE REAL WORLD. WHAT YOU SEE IN THESE AREAS ARE HOW LAKE AS BURY IS BROKEN UP. WE ALL LIVED IN THE SAME HOUSE.

AND THEN IT TAKES THE TRAFFIC GENERATED BY THAT DEVELOPMENT.

THIS IS A FUTURE DEVELOPMENT HOUSEHOLDS AND EMPLOYEES.

AND IT DISTRIBUTES IT TO THE ROAD NETWORK THAT YOU PUT IN THE MODEL. THE MOD IT WILL TPO USES WAS THE

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AND SO JUST BECAUSE IT'S CONCEPTUAL.

YOU ARE IN THE DECISION MAKING PROCESS ABOUT HOW WE ARE GOING TO SPEND OUR MONEY, HOW ARE WE GOING TO MAKE THESE IMPROVEMENTS. THIS IS A PRESENTATION YOU RECEIVED BACK IN DECEMBER FROM PFM.

AND SO WHILE THESE IMPROVEMENTS REPRESENT ONE SOLUTION.

BACK IN 2006 CLAY COUNTY ADOPTED THE MASTER PLAN.

THIS IS AN ADOPTED MAP FROM THAT MASTER PLAN AT THIS TIME.

THAT MAP HAS SINCE NOT INCLUDED IN YOUR FUTURE LAND USE DATA AND YOUR ADOPTED MAPS. BUT ■THISSAIDWHENWE ENTITLE MAKE AS BURY AND HOUSES AND EMPLOYMENT OUT HERE, HOW ARE CARS GOING TO GET AROUND. WE'RE NOT GOING TO WIND EXISTING ROADS BUT BUILD AN ALTERNATE NETWORK.

THAT PLAN WAS KIND OF DEVELOPED BACK WHEN THIS ALL ENTITLEMENTS WERE CONSIDERED IN LAKE ASBURY. THE NETWORK WAS DEVELOPED ON TRANSPORTATION PLANNING PRINCIPLES.

THOSE ARE THAT PARALLEL ROADS SPACED ABOUT A MILE APART CAN SERVE TO PROVIDE ALTERNATIVE ROUTES FOR THE SAME TRIP.

PEOPLE WILL GO ABOUT A MILE AWAY FROM THEIR DIRECT PATH TO TAKE A PARALLEL ROUTE. THIS ACTS AS A WATER SYSTEM INSTEAD OF HAVING ONE BIG PIPE YOU HAVE LOTS OF ALTERNATIVES AND LOTS OF PIPES. SO TRANSPORTATION PLANNING PRINCIPLE PART OF THIS, NOT WHAT ROADS WILL YOU BUILD IS THAT CONNECTIVITY REDISTRIBUTES TRAFFIC ACROSS AN ENTIRE NETWORK SO IT DOESN'T FUNNEL EVERYBODY TO SIX LANE INTERSECTIONS SO WE'RE NOT ON KINGSLY AT U.S. 17. WE'RE AT SIX LANE INTERSECTIONS WHERE WE KNOW THAT IS CONGESTION POINTS.

TRIP DISTANCES BECOME SHORTER SO THERE IS MANIER DIRECT ROUTES.

AND PARALLEL ROUTES OF MULTIPLE TWO LANE ROADS.

ONCE YOU END UP ON A FOUR LANE ROAD YOU GET THAT MORE URBAN FILL. IN LAKE ASBURY WE HAVE A COUPLE OF SCHOOLS. SOME OF THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE'RE CONTEMPLATING. WE'VE MET, WE COME IN AND BEFORE WE MET WITH STAFF THE LANDOWNERS IN THE AREA ACTUALLY HIRED TO LOOK AT WHAT WILL HAPPEN IF WE DO SOME OF THESE ROAD.

SOME OF THESE PLANNED ROADS AND SO WORKING WITH ENGLAND TIS AND MILLER AND TRANSPORTATION PLANNERS, WE CAME ONE A NETWORK AND THE HYPOTHESIS WAS IF YOU DID NOT WIDEN 219 AND WIDEN SAND RIM, COULD YOU WILL BUILD A PARALLEL NETWORK, THIS CONNECTED NETWORK THAT WOULD SERVE THE SAME TRIP PURPOSES.

IT WAS LOOKING FOR AN ANSWER. WHAT WOULD WE KNOW IF WE FOUND

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THE TRAFFIC PAT ACCEPT P PAT CEG THEM TO THE LAKE.

IF YOU PROVIDE AN ALTERNATE ROUTE FOR THOSE INDIVIDUALS SEEKING THAT TRAFFIC PATTERN. THEY DON'T CARE THEY ARE ON 20.

THEY WANT TO GET TO THEIR DESTINATION.

THE MODEL SHOWS US IF YOU WIDEN 315 AND YOU EXTEND THAT OVER TO THE ROAD ON THE PROGRAM. LOOKS LIKE IT'S PARALLEL TO 209.

THAT'S LAKE ASBURY ROAD NUMBER. IF YOU BUILT THAT CARS ARE AS LIKELY TO ENTER INTO LAKE AS BURY AT 315.

IF THE SELECTED ROADS WERE CONSTRUCTED , THE WIDENING OF 209 AND SAND RIDGE WERE NOT NECESSARY BEFORE 20 4:00 WERE NOT NECESSARY TO SERVE THE TRAFFIC WE PROJECT FROM THAT POPULATION. WE THINK WE SHOULD LOOK AT THIS.

WE THINK THERE IS MERITED IN HAVING A LONGER DISCUSSION.

WE MET WITH STAFF. OUT OF THAT FIRST MEETING WE DID THE PRESENTATION I GAVE YOU AND THERE WAS A LOT OF INTUITION ABOUT WE COULD DO THIS AND THAT AND MAYBE OTHER ROAD.

THEY ARE CREATING THAT NEW ROAD WITH SHOULDERS AND PUTTING THOSE ROADS WHICH ARE DAMAGED THAT THE POINT BACK ON THEIR FEET.

BECAUSE THE TRAFFIC WE BELIEVE WOULD TRAVEL ON THE GREEN ROADS.

TRAFFIC WOULD TRAVEL ON THE NEW APF ROADS BUT IMPROVEMENTS WERE NEEDED ON SAND RIDGE AND ON 20. SO WE THEN MET WITH STAFF AGAIN AND THERE WAS A CONSENSUS. WE PRESENTED THIS MAP IN THE SECOND MEETING AND THERE IS A GENERAL CONSENSUS COMING OUT OF THAT MEETING THAT HAVING A TWO LANE SAND RIDGE TO FOUR LANE SAND RIDGE, GREEN IMPROVEMENT IN THE MIDDLE AND BACK TO TWO LANE WAS PROBABLY NOT GOING TO WORK. THERE IS A NEED TO TURN ON AND OFF OF SAND RIDGE WITHOUT BACKING UP TRAFFIC.

THERE WILL BE A SAFER ENVIRONMENT.

SO THE ROAD LIST WE LEFT FOR THAT WAS ACTUALLY TO CONSIDER THREE LANING SAND RIDGE ROAD. I'M GOING TO WALK THROUGH STEP BY STEP. WE'RE BUILDING A STORY.

FROM SAND RIDGE TO 209 IS FOUR LANED.

EVERY MOD THAT WILL EVERYBODY DOES NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO THAT HAS TO BE FOUR LANED. THIS WILL FOUR LANE 315 FROM 17 TO THE 90-DEGREE END IN 315. $13 MILLION IS THE COST FOR THAT

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IT WOULD TRAVEL NORTH ON NORTH SOUTH ONE AND CONNECT WITH SAND RIDGE ROAD. THOSE IMPROVEMENTS ARE THE APF IMPROVEMENTS ON THAT ORIGINAL MAP.

THIS GROUP OF IMPROVEMENTS INCLUDES THE 3R PROJECT ON 209678 IT HAS A RAILROAD TRACK AND NO OPPORTUNITY FOR DEVELOPMENT. THERE WOULD BE BOND PROCEEDS SPENT ON THOSE PROJECTS. IT'S ABOUT $42 MILLION.

THOSE ARE PRETTY COMMITTED. THE NORTH SOUTH ONE, NORTH SOUTH TWO LABEL THAT CONNECTS UP TO NORTHWEST EAST ONE THAT LAND IS OWNED AND MR. SKINNER REPRESENTS THAT PROPERTY SO THEIR ANTICIPATION IS THEY ARE AN ACTIVE MARKETING OF THIS PROJECT AND WE'LL SEE COMPLETION OF THAT SEGMENT CLEARLY WITHIN FIVE YEARS. AND SO WITHOUT THE COUNTY HAVING TO EXPEND FUNDS, THOSE ROADS BUILT BY THE DEVELOPERS IN THAT AREA. THIS INCLUDES LANES ON SAND RIDGE. WHILE THERE IS INCIDENTAL RIGHT OF WAY THERE IS NOT MUCH. IT KEEPS THAT FROM BEING A FOUR LANE ROAD WITH ACQUISITION. THERE IS THE ROAD SOUTH OF SAND RIDGE I DESCRIBED AND THE ROADS NORTH OF SAND RIDGE.

THE CRITICAL PIECE OF THE PUZZLE THAT IS APPARENT TO SERVE THE PIECE MISSING BETWEEN THE EXPRESSWAY AND THE END OF COUNTY ROAD 218 EXTENSION. THAT GAP IN THERE IS NOT INCLUDED IN A BOND FUNDED OR APF FUNDED ALTERNATIVE.

WE NEED THAT ROAD. WHO IS GOING TO BUILD THAT SEGMENT. IT'S APPROVED IN 2006.

IT WAS APPROVED BEFORE THE BELTWAY WAS FUNDED.

SO THE OBLIGATIONS REQUIRE IT TO BUILD IT WAS ORIENTED TO 315 BECAUSE THE BELTWAY DIDN'T EXIST.

ALL THE TRAFFIC AND IMPACTS WERE FOCUSED ON 315 AND US 17.

THE INTENT IS TO RENEGOTIATE THIS DEVELOPMENT ORDER MOSTLY THE TURN TO PROJECT AROUND. BECAUSE THE BELTWAY NOW IS ANTICIPATED THAT IS GOING TO BE THE FRONT DOOR FOR THIS PROJECT.

IT WILL PROBABLY BE THREE YEARS TO FOUR YEARS BEFORE PEOPLE ARE DRIVING ON THIS PAVEMENT. YOU HAVE DESIGN, CONSTRUCTION AND YOU HAVE A COUPLE OF YEARS BEFORE THESE ROADS BECOME

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SO THIS IS THE COUNTY'S CURRENT PROPOSED BOND ISSUE FOR OR BOND REVENUE PROJECT LIST IN LAKE ASBURY AND THE ONE WE'RE CONSIDERING DOING IS THIS NETWORK.

ALL THE ROADS WE'RE CONSIDERING ARE IN GREEN.

IF YOU ARE GOING TO BUILD A THREE LANE SEGMENT IT ALLOWS YOU THE SPACE TO PUT A MEETING IN THE MIDDLE.

IT ALLOWS YOU AT YOUR DISCRETION TO BUILD THE LANES IN THE MIDDLE AND HAVE ADDITIONAL LAND TO THE OUTSIDE , THE RIGHT OF WAY IS SUFFICIENT TO ACCOMMODATE LANDSCAPING AND BUFFERING.

AND SO THIS IS PART OF THE KIND OF RURAL CHARACTER PARTICULARLY INITIATIVE HA WE THINK IS IMPORTANT IN THESE PROJECTS.

AND SO AT THIS POINT ONE OF THE BIG IMPROVEMENTS THE BENEFITS OF THESE PROPOSED IMPROVEMENTS ARE THEY ARE GOING TO PROVIDE THE SAME TRANSPORTATION FUNCTION. CARS WILL MOVE AROUND LAKE ASBURY AND ENTER AND EXIT INTO THE AREA AND ORIGINATE IN THE AREA AND GO OUTSIDE WITH THE SAME TRANSPORTATION FUNCTION.

THE PROPOSED IMPROVEMENTS WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR TRAVEL TWO YEARS SOONER THAN YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO WIDEN SEASONED RIDGE.

THAT IS A MAJOR UNDER TAKING. IT WILL RETAIN THE CHARACTER OF LAKE ASBURY IN THE WAY FOUR LANE SEGMENTS WOULD NOT.

IF ANY OF YOU HAVE DONE TRANSPORTATION PLANNING AT ANY LEVEL, ONCE YOU PICK A PATH TO FOUR LANE A ROAD , THE NEXT STEP IS TO SIX LANE THAT ROAD. WE'RE SEEING THAT ALL OVER CLAY COUNTY. WE HAVE SEEN IT HISTORICALLY.

THAT'S HOW 17 CAME TO BE E TO BE WITHOUT ALTERNATE ROUTES THE INVESTMENT IS JUST TO MAKE THOSE WIDER.

THIS PLAN PROPOSES AN ALTERNATE FUTURE FOR LAKE ASBURY.

THE NETWORK WILL PROVIDE ACCESS TO THE JOB CENTER.

THIS IS THE LAKE ASBURY MASTER PLAN.

HAS AN ACTIVITY CENTER OF 500 ACRES IN THE MIDDLE OF IT.

IN THE 2040 ECONOMIC DATA IT SAYING 6500 JOBS ARE PROPOSED TO BE THERE NO N 2040 AND 8 MILLION SQUARE FEET OF ENTITLED NONRESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT. IT'S GOING TO INCREASE PUBLIC SAFETY BECAUSE IT'S ACCESS FOR EMS, FIRE AND POLICE.

ON THE ROAD ANYTIME WORK RIGHT NOW LOOKS LIKE.

THIS AS ALL THE DEVELOPMENT OCCURS WITHOUT CORRIDORS LIKE THIS ALL THE ACCESS TO THAT DEVELOPMENT WILL OCCUR ON SUBDIVISION STREETS WITH DRIVEWAYS.

THESE APF ROADS DON'T HAVE ANY DRIVEWAYS ON THEM.

THAT'S A STANDARD IN LAKE ASBURY.

SO THEY WILL HAVE NO DRIVEWAYS AND THEY WILL HAVE BIKE LANES.

THIS I SERVE A THROUGH FUNCTION MORE THAN A SUBDIVISION ROAD WOULD. AND THEY ARE GOING TO PROVIDE DIVISIONAL HURRICANE EVACUATION ROUTE.

IT'S GOING TO IMPROVE OUR EVACUATION TIMES.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS CORRIDOR WHEN MEASURE CLAY COUNTY TRYING TO GET OUT OF THE WAY YOU HAVE 220 AND 16 THAT'S THE EAST WEST CORRIDOR. THIS WILL CONNECT 17 OVER TO 218 OVER TO BLANDING AND OUT TO 301. SO THIS IS ACTUALLY A MAJOR CORRIDOR INVESTMENT FOR THAT PARTICULAR FUNCTION OF THE COUNTY. AND SO REALLY WE BELIEVE THIS IS JUST A DIFFERENT FUTURE THAT THIS PLAN CONTEMPLATED SINCE 2006. AND SO IF IT ALL COMES DOWN TO THEN MOSTLY CAN YOU AFFORD IT? CAN YOU AFFORD IT? I'M GOING TO QUICKLY GO THROUGH NUMBERS AND GIVE YOU TIME IF YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE TRAFFIC ANALYSIS ANDDALE JUMP IN.

THERE IS A BIG SPREAD SHEET. THIS IS A CONCLUSION SHEET OF THAT. THIS SHOWS YOU AT THE TOP ALL OF THE ROADS THAT ARE CURRENTLY IN YOUR BOND PROPOSAL.

THE COST ESTIMATE IN THE MIDDLE AT 129 MILLION IS WHAT YOU SAW IN DECEMBER IN THE PFM SUMMARIES.

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IF YOU THEN ADD IN ALL THE ROADS THAT ARE ON THAT MAP ALL THE ROADS THAT ARE ON THE MAPTA THANKSGIVING THE COUNTY WOULD FUND YOU ARE ADDING IN ABOUT $70 MILLION.

THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE THER ISING TO GAY IMPROVEMENT OR THE IMPROVEMENTS NORTH OF SAND RIDGE MADE BY THOSE LAND OWNERS.

THEN YOU ADD IN ABOUT $4 MILLION TO DO A 3R PROJECT ON 209.

SO THE SUM TOTAL OF THAT LARGER NETWORK MAP IS $131.6 MILLION.

WE STARTED AT 129.9 AND WE'VE INCHED IT UP TO 131.

AND SO I DO WANT TO LETDALE TALK ABOUT HIS CONFIDENCE INDALE HAS LOOKED AT CORRIDOR COST. THESE ARE REFLECTIVE OF WHAT HE'S PUT IN. SO I THINK LIKE TWO SECONDS FOR JEFF TO TALK ABOUT HIS EFFORTS WITHDALE ON THE SOCIOECONOMIC DATA AN RECONCILING SOME CONCERNS STAFF HAD.

AND THEN WE'RE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

>> GOOD EVENING. >> ASCES AS SUSAN ELUDED THE E MODEL WAS USED BY TPM. THAT IS A GROSS MODEL.

IT GIVES YOU A LANE IN EACH DIRECTION ON A DAILY BASIS.

LAKE ASBURY , THE TOTAL GROWTH PROJECTED BETWEEN 2010 AND 2040 LOOKED VERY GOOD. BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE INDIVIDUAL ZONES THAT THE TRAFFIC IS GENERATED OUT OF, SOME HAD SOME FAIRLY LARGE NEGATIVE NUMBERS AND SOME HAD SOME POSITIVE NUMBERS THAT WOULDN'T BE ACCOMMODATED BY THE DEVELOPABLE LAND IN THE AREA. COUNTY SAID IS GOING TO OCCUR IN THIS AREA ACROSS THE DEVELOPABLE LAND WITHIN THAT.

GROWING BY 6: 50 HOUSES WHERE AS THE AREA EAST OF HENLEY AND SOUTH OF 209 IS DECREASING BY ACT 1600 HOMES.

SMOOTH THOSE OUT AND MOVE THE DEVELOPMENT INTO WHERE IT'S OCCURRING NOW, NOW HA WE'RE 10-15 YEARS INTO THE MODEL BRAND WE BELIEVE IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN OVER THE NEXT FOUR YEARS.

KEEPING THE SAME DEVELOPMENT TOTALS WITHIN THE AREA BUT SMOOTHING AND PUTTING IT IN SHOULD GO AND THERE ISYS IT- DEVELOPABLE LAND TO GO IN. THOSE ARE THE TRUEING UP OF THE MODEL THAT WAS DONE THAT HAS BEEN USED TO FORECAST FOR THE COUNTY'S IMPACT FEES FOR THE IMPROVEMENTS ON 17 AND ALL OF THE OTHER IMPROVEMENTS. OTHER QUESTIONS I'LL BE HAPPY TO

ANSWER. >> I'M STILL DIGESTING.

>> IT'S A BIG PIECE. >> THANK YOU.

>> DID YOU WANT TO JUMP UP AT THIS POINT TO WEIGH IN?

>> ALLEN SKINNER. AS SHE ELUDED TO WE ARE ONE OF

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I'M GLAD TO SEE MORE TREE CAPE FOR RURAL CHARACTER.

I THINK BENEFITS ARE DEMONSTRATED WITH WHAT WE'VE

BEEN WORKING WITH SO THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU SIR.

>> IT'S GOING TO BE A LOT MORE MAINTENANCE COST.

NOT ONLY ARE WE GOING THE INCUR THE USUAL IN TERMS OF REPAVING AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS BUT YOU HAVE GOT A LOT MORE PLANT AND CARE IN TERMS OF MOWING SIDES OF ROADS AND ALL KIND OF THINGS.

I THINK WE HAVE TO CONCRETE EVERYTHING OVER AND KASS ASSISTS

MAINTENANCE FREE AS POSSIBLE. >> DO I HAVE ONE QUESTIN.

WHEN I LOOK AT THE NEW APF ROAD, IT LOOKS LIKE IT HAS TO CROSS OVER BLACK CREEK. WHERE THERE IS A DOT AND THE ORANGE DOT. EAST OF THAT BLACK DOT AND IS THAT NOT A ROAD GOING OVER WATER?

>> IT IS. AND THERE IS A MILLION DOLLAR

BRIDGE IN THE BUDGET. >> JUST $1 MILLION?

>> WE REDID THE DRI A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO.

KENLEY HALL IT WAS TRANSPORTATION CONSULTANT THAT THE POINT. AND WE LOOK ADD @ COST OF THAT BRIDGE AND WE HAVE FOR THIS ONE PART SPECIFIC LIMITS AND COST ESTIMATES. SO WE FEEL LIKE IT'S WELL WITHIN

TARGET. >> THAT'S WITHIN BECAUSE I'M LOOKING AT THE BRIDGE CATEGORY AND I DIDN'T SEE -- WAIT A MINUTE. I THINK I JUST FOUND IT.

1,075,555. >> CORRECT.

I THINKDALE THROUGH A POND IN THERE AND THERE WAS A MILLION FOR A BRIDGE. I'M LOOKING AT ONE -- THERE IS ANOTHER CATEGORY. THIS IS 120.

>> I THINK THAT WAS FROM YOUR LAST MEETING.

>> THE SECOND ONE IS AFTER MUCH CONSULTATION WITHDALE THIS MORNING WE WENT BACK AND FORTH. IT'S NEW.

>> GOOD. >> ONE THING TO ADD MR. CHAIRMAN AS YOU LOOK AT IT, SO WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL AND ONE ASPECT WHEN IT COMES TO THE MONEY. SO THE BOTTOM LINE NUMBER OF 131 EVEN AT 130 OR IT'S MAX -- BEST WAY I CAN DESCRIBE IT IS MAXING OUT YOUR CREDIT CARD. YOU CAN'T MAX OUT THE CREDIT CARD BECAUSE THERE IS GOING TO BE OTHER COSTS THAT ARE INVOLVED. I THINK IT'S KEY AND CRITICAL TO KEEP THAT IN MIND. ONE OTHER THING TO MENTION AND SUSAN CAN ADDRESS THIS I'M SURE. WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT I, WE FELT IT WAS VERY IMPORTANT TO HAVE PARALLEL ROAD.

THOSE PARALLEL ROADS ARE IMPORTANT THIS HER ALL IMPROVEMENTS. IT'S ON THIS ONE HERE.

THE ORANGE DOTTED LINE TO GO THROUGH WHEN WE ESTIMATED COST,

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AND OTHER POINT HERE IS IF YOU GO TO THE PAGE THAT HAS THE NUMBERS ON IT, AND THEY'VE COSTED EVERYTHING OUT, DON'T FORGET WE'RE PAYING FOR RIGHT OF WAY HERE WITHIN AN AREA THAT THEY'VE REDUCED FROM 40% DOWN TO 10%.

THERE IS ALSO SOME AREA IN THERE THAT WOULD BE BROUGHT UP FOR DISCUSSION AND TO NEGOTIATE. IN THAT REQUIREMENT FOR THE ROAD FOR THE DRI OF THE COST OF THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING DOLLAR WISE

TO DISCUSS WITH SUSAN. >> ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT ACQUISITION OF THE ORANGE DOTTED ROAD.

>> NOT JUST ACQUISITION BUT THE AGREEMENT TO BUILD IT WITHIN THE DRI IN THER ISING TO GAY SPRINGS DRI.

THERE WAS A COST ASSOCIATED BACK 2016.

I KNOW ORIGINALLY IT WAS $70 MILLION THEN IT WENT TO 50 MILLION. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THAT AND THAT ESTIMATED COST THAT IS SOMETHING ELSE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT AND SUSAN NEEDS ADDRESS. HERE I THINK SHE STARTED OFF GOOD BECAUSE IT'S THE CONCEPT OF WHY DO YOU WANT TO CHANGE IT FROM FOUR TO THREE AND THOSE REASONS.

BUT THEN THERE COMES THE DOLLAR AMOUNT.

SO THE AMOUNT THE COUNTY HAS TO BOMB BOND AND THE AMOUNT WE'RE PAYING FOR RIGHT OF WAY IN THER ISING TO GAY SPRINGS DRI.

YOUR BOTTOM LINE IT WENT TO 123445?

>> SO THE NUMBERS YOU RECEIVED FROM PFM IN DECEMBER WAS 129.9.

IF YOU TAKE THE PLAN THAT YOU HAVE AND YOU TAKE OUT THE TWO ROADS YOU WOULDN'T BUILD AND PUT IN ALL THE ROADS ON THIS MAP IT

GOES TO 131.6. >> SHE GOT WHERE IT SAYS JANUARS 122,345,483 SHOULD BE THE NUMBER.

THAT WENT DOWN FROM THE DECEMBER PRESENTATION BECAUSEDALE SHARPENED HIS PENCIL. HE TOOK A LOOK AT THESE NUMBERS CLOSER AND CAME ONE THIS LOWER NUMBER.

IS THAT RIGHT? >> LET HIM ANSWER THAT.

>> HE'D LIKE TO LEAVE. WE WON'T LET HIM.

>> THE NUMBERS THAT I HAVE BEEN WORKING ON BECAUSE I WANTED TO

VERIFY IT DID COME DOWN. >> ARE WE OK TO KEEP GOING?

>> WE HAD A BLACK OUT THERE. >> AT THIS POINT BECAUSE OF CONCEPTUAL ESTIMATES I WOULD HOLD THE ESTIMATE FOR THOSE THREE ROADS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT MY ESTIMATES WERE RIGHT WHERE THEY SHOULD BE. AND SO WHEN I LOOKED AT THEM MYSELF BECAUSE THEY WERE DONE BY PREVIOUS STAFF.

I CAME IN A LITTLE BIT LESS BUT AT THIS POINT BEING CONCEPTUAL ESTIMATES NOT ANY PRELIMINARY ENGINEERING, THE 176 I SAID FOR THESE ROADS THAT'S WHAT I PROPOSE WE LOOK THAT THE NUMBER FOR A DIRECT COMPARISON BETWEEN THE COST.

WE CAN USE MY NUMBERS FOR A DIRECT COMPARISON.

I'M NOT SAYING AS WE BOND THIS WE DROP BACK TO THAT LOWER NUMBER. THERE ARE STILL UNKNOWNS THAT NEITHER ONE OF US KNOW AND THAT SIX OR $7 MILLION BUFFER WE NEED AT THIS POINT UNTIL WE MOVE AHEAD WITH THE ENGINEERING.

I'D RATHER TELL YOU I HAVE TOO MUCH MONEY THAN TELL YOU I'M

$2 MILLION SHORT. >> SURE.

>> OK. >> I THINK EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS THAT. I GUESS MY QUESTION REVOLVES AROUND THE ACTUAL ADDITIONAL ROADS.

I GUESS THE APF ROADS. AND NOT SO MUCH -- I GUESS THE TIMING AND WHO IS SUPPOSED TO PAY FOR THESE? AS IT STANDS WHERE ARE WE WITH EAST WEST 1 AND NORTH SOUTH 2.

IF YOU WANT TO GATE APPROVAL FOR A SITE PLAN AND ONE OF THOSE

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THE PLAN IS WRITTEN TO SAY THAT THEY WILL BE COMPENSATED FOR EVERYTHING IN EXCESS OF 1.35%. WHERE DOES HA MONEY COME FROM.

IF YOU OWN PROPERTY IN LAKE ASBURY AND DON'T HAVE A ROAD YOU HAVE TO WRITE A CHECK TO CLAY COUNTY.

INSTEAD OF YOUR PLAN, IF HAVE AN AREA NO ROAD 1.35% IF YOU ARE DEVELOPABLE LAND, A FAIR MARKET APRAISELE AND YOU WRITE CLAY COUNTY A CHECK. IT'S IN THE BANK ACCOUNT SO WHEN VILLAGE PARK SHOWS UP AND SAYS I'VE GIVEN YOU MY 1.35% IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE A BALANCED SYSTEM.

YOU GIVE LAND AND IF YOU DON'T YOU DISTRIBUTE A COMMUNAL POT OF FUNDING TO PAY THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE THE LAND.

SO THAT'S THE WAY THE SYSTEM IS SET UP NOW.

THOSE ARE SIMILAR TO WHEN YOU BILL THOSE ROADS THEIR IMPACT FEE ROADS. AND SO THE DEVELOPERS WHO BUILD THE WEST ONE AND NORTH SOUTH TWO WOULD BUILD THEM IN LIEU OF GIVING THEM AN IMPACT FEE CHECK. THE INVESTMENT WOULD BE BACK INTO THE ROAD. ONE ACKNOWLEDGMENT OF REVENUE AND REVENUE STREAMS IS THAT THERE IS MORE THAN ONE STREAM TO BUILD ALL THE ROADS. THE BOND IS THE BIG KICK START.

YOU HAVE OTHER RESOURCES. IF YOU IF THE COUNTY BUILDS 209 IN SAND RIDGE AND INVEST THE BOND REVENUE IN THOSE IMPROVEMENTS. THE DEVELOPERS WILL BUILD THE APF ROADS. INSTEAD OF WRITING YOU A CHECK THEY WILL PUT THEM ON THE PROPERTY.

EACH OF THOSE DEVELOPERS IN EACH HOUSEHOLDS THAT COME ONLINE WOULD OWE YOU AN IMPACT FEE CHECK.

THE IMPACT FEE REVENUE ESTIMATE SO THIS IS THE TABLE THAT SHOWS THE NEW HOUSEHOLDS AND STAY PROJECTION FROM THE COUNTY STAFF AND I'M SURE FOR 2040 IT'S A DIFFERENT PROJECTION.

IMPACT FEES ON 80% OF THE NEW RESIDENTIAL.

I TOOK THE NEW RESIDENTIAL DOLLING UNITS UNDEALT PLIED IT BY YOUR IMPACT FEE. IT'S ESTIMATED.

THAT'S $145 MILLION IF N IMPACT FEES.

IF YOU BUILD ROAD NETWORK WE'RE PROPOSING OVER THIS PERIOD BETWEEN NOW AND 2040 YOU CAN ANTICIPATE TO SEE $100 MILLION IN IMPACT SEE REVENUE. THE WAY THE ORDINANCE IS WRITTEN YOU CAN SPEND THAT ON ANY IMPACT FEE ELIGIBLE PROJECT FEE IN THAT BOUNDARY. IF THE PROJECTS THAT ARE COMING VILLAGE PARK WILL WRITE YOU IMPACT FEE CHECKS.

YOU CAN SPEND THAT AT YOUR DISCRETION AS A BOARD ON A VOTE ON WHERE YOU THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE THE DAY YOU ACCRUE THAT MONEY. SO THAT IS A REVENUE SOURCE THAT IS $100 MILLION BECAUSE THE HOUSES COME, THE IMPACT FEES COME. IF THOSE ARE DIRECTED TO APF ROADS THEY GO INTO THE PAVEMENT IN LAKE ASBURY.

THAT'S HOW MANY COME IN BETWEEN NOW AND 2040.

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>> WHO IS BUILDING THE YELLOW ROAD FROM 218 TO THE INTERCHANGE? THAT.

>> THAT IS A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WITH THE WINE HOLD

CORPORATION. >> THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE AN

IMPACT CREDIT? >> THEY WILL.

>> DID YOU FACTOR THAT INTO THIS?

>> NOT THAT ONE DIRECTLY. THAT'S THE ONLY ONE I THINK IS OUT THERE. IF YOU DIDN'T BUILD IT THOSE WOULDN'TDOM COMM TO YOU. IF YOU BUILD IT THOSE WOULD COME TO YOU. THAT'S THE ONLY CREDIBLE PROJECT

IN THIS AREA. >> HOW MUCH IS IT WORTH?

>> 7 MILLION. >> AND THOSE CREDITS OCCUR AS THOSE HOUSES COME ONLINE. SO NOT OFF THE TOP.

>> WHEN WE MET YOU SAID WHILE WE'VE GOT THE INDUSTRIAL HERE YOU DIDN'T INCLUDE THAT IN YOUR NUMBER AT ALL?

>> THE IMPACT REVENUE WAS STRAIGHT RESIDENTIAL.

WHEN WE LOOK AT THIS LAST SLIDE SAID IT WAS GOING TO BE 1600 EMPLOYEES. WE CREATE A GREATER OPPORTUNITY FOR THAT TO BE SOUTH POINT IN CLAY COUNTY AND REALIZE SOME OF

THAT REVENUE ABSOLUTELY. >> I GUESS THE QUESTION WOULD BE IF 24 PARTICULAR AREA IS GOING TO GENERATE THE 100 MILLION IN

IMPACT FEES PLUS. >> I GUESS THE QUESTION FOR SUS MAKE A DETERMINATION ABOUT THE MODEL.

WE DON'T HAVE AN ALTERNATIVE IF SOMETHING GET JAMMED UP WITH AN ACCIDENT OR CONSTRUCTION OR SOME OTHER KIND OF THING WE CAN'T GET THERE FROM HERE. THAT REALLY DOES I THINK IT'S A QUESTION OF TIMING AND WHERE WE GET THE MOST FOR THE MONEY AND MAKING SURE THAT WE CORRECT THE PROBLEMS THAT WE HAVE IN TERMS OF CONGESTION ON THE ROADS WE TALKED ABOUT WHETHER IT'S 209 OR

SAND RIDGE. >> THAT SAME MODEL THAT WAS USED BY US TO SAY THAT WE NEED 209 AND SAND RIDGE.

THAT'S MODEL THEY ARE USING PUTTING IN THESE OTHER ELEMENTS.

AND I THINK EVEN AS JEFF SAID IT'S A GROSS MODEL.

CAN WHICH A LOT OF TRAFFIC MODELS ARE.

THEY ARE TELLING THE MODEL WHERE THE TRAFFIC IS GOING.

RESIDENT & THEY ARE RUNNING IT AND LOOKING FOR HA CAPACITY.

WE'RE USING THE SAME TOOL. IT'S A MATTER OF WHERE YOU WANT TO PLACE THE DIFFERENT ROADWAYS. AND I THINK SUSAN EXPLAINED NICELY IT DEPENDS UPON NO MATTER WHAT DECISION YOU MAKE WE'RE GOING HAVE TWO SETS OF ROADS. JUST DEPENDS ON WHEN THEY ARE BEING BUILT AND HOW AND CAN YOU USE THAT MONEY FOR ANYTHING ELSE. WILL WE KNOW FOR CERTAIN 290 IS

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THAT'S GUESS WHAT DO YOU DO WITH THE MONEY IF WE WOMEN THE APF ROADS AND AS THEY COME ONLINE. AS WE BUILD THE ROADS THE APF ROADS WOULD NOT BE BUILT BUT THE PEOPLE AREN'T THERE YET.

THE ROADS WILL BE BUILT AS THE PEOPLE COME THERE.

I THINK WE HAVE THE NUMBERS CLOSE ENOUGH TO WHERE IT'S THE SAME. IT'S AS MUCH A FINANCIAL DECISION AS ANYTHING ELSE AT THIS POINT.

>> I THINK IT'S PARTIALLY FINANCIAL.

BUT IT'S ALSO GETTING TO THE ROOT PROBLEM WE HAVE WHICH IS THE NUMBER OF CARS THAT ARE ON SAND RIDGE AND THE NUMBER OF CARS COMING OFF OF 209 TO GET TO SAND RIDGE AND WHETHER THAT IS A PROBLEM AFTER WE SPEND EXNUMBER OF DOLLARS THAT'S THE SOLUTION.

OBVIOUSLY SUSAN AND THOSE THOUGHTS ON THAT SIDE OF THE FENCE ARE SAYING YEAH, THAT'S GOING TO DROP THAT THING FROM BEING RED AND CRITICAL, GOING TO DROP IT BACK TO GREEN WHEN WE PUT THE OTHER ROADS IN. I THINK THAT'S THE KEY.

I'M CONCERNED MAKING SURE THE ROADS WE BUILD SOLVE THE

PROBLEMS WE HAVE CURRENTLY. >> I HAVE A QUESTION.

ON THE NEW APF ROAD WHAT IS THE SPEED LIMIT?

>> I HAVEN'T DESIGNED THEM. >> WE'RE DOING 35 MILES AN HOUR.

>> MY ASSUMPTION IS UNLESS YOU MAKE THOSE TWO ROADS SIMILAR IN THEIR MILES PER HOUR ACTION PEOPLE ARE GOING TO GRAVITATE TO THE ONE THAT YOU CAN GO FASTER ON.

THE OTHER THING IS IT'S A NEXT STEP TO ME IF WE TWO LANE THAT APF ROAD , THE ONE THAT IS ORANGE AND GOES OVER TO GREEN AND THEN GOES OUT TO 315, THAT IS GOING TO A MAJOR JOB CENTER.

I THINK THAT ROAD IS GOING TO HAVE TO BE FOUR LANED EVENTUALLY. I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT WE NEED TO DO IT NOW BUT WE NEED TO PLAN AS WE PUT IT IN.

I DON'T KNOW IF THAT MEANS ACQUISITION OF RIGHT OF WAY OR WHAT WE NEED TO DO. YOU ARE COMING FROM HIGHWAY 17

OVER TO A BIG JOB CENTER. >> SO THE DRI OBLIGATES THE DEDICATION OF RIGHT OF WAY SUFFICIENT FOR FOUR LANES SO THAT WOULD BE RETAINED. YOU BUILD THREE AND DESIGN THE THREE LANES SO THEY CAN BE EASILY CONVERTED INTO A FOUR LANE SO YOU WOULD GET THAT RIGHT OF WAY.

>> WHAT IS IN THE PLAN IS TWO LANES TO 315, THEN IT IS A THREE

LANE ROAD. >> OK.

>> IT COULD GO FOUR LANE IN THE FUTURE?

>> YES. >> SO THAT'S INCLUDED IN THE THREE LANE IS INCLUDED IN THE NUMBERS YOU ARE GIVING US NOW?

>> YES, SIR. >> LET'S GET BACK TO 290.

SO THAT IS ONLY GOING TO BE A TRIPLE R FROM BASICALLY 315 TO

SAND RIDGE? >> YES, SIR.

>> NO TURN LANE, NOTHING? >> AS PART OF A TRIPLE R, THERE WOULD BE TURN LANES WHERE THERE NEED TO BE.

PROBABLY AT 209A YOU WOULD PUT A TURN LANE IN THERE.

THE INTERSECTION ITSELF WOULD BE TAKEN CARE OF WHEN WE THREE LANE SAND RIDGE. WE'LL DO THE INTERSECTION OF 209 AND SAND RIDGE WITH THAT PROJECT.

ANY TURN LANES WE NEED THERE, IS A FAIRLY LARGE POCKET OF PEOPLE AT 209 SO WE WOULD PUT IN A TURN LANE THERE.

AND THEN THIS 209 TRIPLE R WOULD STOP ABOUT 1,000 FEET MORE OR LESS SHORT OF THE 209-315B INTERSECTION.

WHEN WE DO THAT FOUR LANE WE WILL COME AROUND THE CORNER ABOUT 1,000 FEET BECAUSE YOU NEED DOUBLE LEFT TURN LANES.

WE WOULD ACCOMMODATE ALL THE TRAFFIC YOU SEE BACKING UP NOW IN A SINGLE LANE WOULD HAVE TWO LANES TO TURN LEFT AND MOVING

INTO TWO LANES. >> WOULD THERE BE A RED LIGHT

THAT THE INTERSECTION? >> YES.

>> AT SAND RIDGE AND 209? >> YES.

I PLANNED FOR THAT AND THERE IS ALREADY A RED LIGHT AT 209 AND

209 AND 315B. >> WHAT IS THE TIMING ON THIS

THEN? >> IF WE'RE LOOKING TO RELIEVE CONGESTION BECAUSE THAT'S THE FIRST PROBLEM WE GOT TO TAKE CARE OF, THAT'S WHY WE WENT DOWN THIS ROAD TO GET THE ROADS BUILT

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DOES THAT GET BUILT FIRST? >> IF YOU ARE LOOKING AT TIMING , THE A PF ROADS BECAUSE RIGHT OF WAY IS GOING TO BE DEDICATED, ALL OF THOSE COULD BE STARTED SOONER.

ON THE 290 TO 315B THERE WILL BE RIGHT OF WAY ACQUISITION TIME.

I DON'T HAVE IT MEMORIZED BUT I THINK WE'RE ABOUT A LITTLE OVER TWO YEARS OUT BEFORE WE GET STARTED CONSTRUCTION ON IT.

THAT IS EVEN TRYING TO ACCELERATE THE RIGHT OF WAY

ACQUISITION. >> SO WHAT WOULD YOUR RECOMMENDATION BE THEN SPARTANBURG.

>> LIKE I SAID, IT'S REALLY TOUGH.

IF YOU BELIEVE THE MODELS AND YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THEY ARE MODELS AND I'M A STORMWATER GUY SO MY MODELS FOLLOW PHYSICS.

TRAFFIC MODELS TRY TO MODEL PEOPLE.

IF YOU BELIEVE THE MODELS, EITHER SCENARIO WORKS FOR

TRAFFIC. >> AND JUST BECAUSE THESE ARE THINGS THAT YOU'LL HOPEFULLY BE ABLE TO DECIDE AT THE NEXT BOARD MEETING, ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT YOU NEED TO THINK ABOUT IS THAT YOU REALLY AREN'T GOING TO HAVE 129 OR $130 MILLION BECAUSE OF THE COST AND DIFFERENT RESERVES WE'RE REQUIRED TO DO UNDER THE BOND DOCUMENTS. SO YOU NEED TO THINK OF GIVING YOURSELF A CUSHION OF 10 OR $15 MILLION FOR THAT PURPOSE.

SECONDLY, WE'VE TALKED TO OUR FINANCIAL ADVISOR ABOUT IS RANKING THEM. BECAUSE ONCE YOU TURN THIS OVER TO WHETHER IT'S CONSTRUCTION MANAGER OR HOWEVER THE BOARD DECIDES TO PROCEED, YOU NEED TO RANK THEM BECAUSE THEY MAY START OUT WITH PROJECTS ONE THROUGH FOUR AND YOU MIGHT NOT HAVE ENOUGH FOR FIVE OR SIX OR HOWEVER.

ONCE WE START ROLLING YOU'LL HAVE TO HAVE A PRIORITY LIST.

JUST TAKE THAT INTO THOUGHT. >> THAT'S UNDERSTANDABLE.

I'M NOT HAPPY ABOUT HEARING WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET TO PROJECTS FIVE AND SIX. WE IDENTIFIED SIX PROJECTS.

WE PUT FORTH THE AMOUNT OF MONEY.

WHAT KIND OF MONEY DO WE HAVE TO PUT IN RESERVE.

>> THE BOND DOCUMENTS WE'VE READ YOU HAVE TO HAVE CERTAIN FUNDS.

WE THINK IT'S ABOUT 10 MILLION DOLLARS THAT GO IN THE RESERVE FUND AND ALL THE COST YOU'LL HAVE AT LEAST 1 TRILLION MORE PAYING BOND UNDERWRITER AND COUNCIL.

>> IN ALL PROBABILITY YOU'LL HAVE TO TAKE THE FIRST YEAR'S WORTH OF DEBT SERVICE AND NAUGHT INTO THE SINKING FUND AND BOND ISSUE COST YOU'LL PAY OUT OF THE PROCEEDS TOO UNLESS YOU PICK ANOTHER FUNDING SOURCE. SO $10 MILLION.

>> OK. >> MOVING FORWARD WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS LOOK AT WE'VE ALREADY COLLECTED IN GAS TAX WHAT WE WILL HAVE COLLECTED IN GAS TAX WHERE THOSE MONEY COULD BE APPLIED TO WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

THERE ARE CERTAIN RESTRICTIONS WHERE WE COULD SPEND THAT MONEY.

>> NEW CONSTRUCTION APF ROADS. >> AND ONE THING --

>> AND ANY IMPACT FEES WE'VE COLLECTED AND WHERE THOSE COULD

BE UTILIZED. >> AND ONE THING WE DID DISCUSS WITHDALE IS I KNOW THIS IS ALL FOCUSED ON THE LAKE ASBURY AREA N. CONNECTION WITH YOUR PRIORITIES, REMEMBER YOU DO HAVE THE THREE OTHER PROJECTS THAT ARE IN THIS AREA AND WHETHER THE ONES ON 220 WE POSSIBLY SHOULD ADJUST AND MAYBE NOT GO TO SIX

LANES. >> I'M STILL STUCK ON THE FACT THAT WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING FOR OBSERVATION AT THIS POINT.

THAT IS A REALLY IMPORTANT CHIEF CALLS AT THIS TIME WORLD'S LARGEST CUL-DE-SAC. OR PROJECT MANAGER MOCK SHOULD I SAY. SERIOUSLY I WOULD LIKE TO THINK THAT WITH THE GAS TAX WE'VE COLLECTED AND I KNOW IT PROBABLY A SPIT IN THE OCEAN AT THIS POINT IN REGARDS TO OVERALL DOLLARS, BUT MOVING FORWARD WHERE THOSE MONEYS COULD INTERESTB SPENT AS WELL. BUT THE ESSENCE OF THE APF ROADS, FUR TO BELIEVE THE MODELING AND THINK THOSE ROADS RELIEVE THE ESPECIALLY NORTH SOUTH ONE RELIEVES TRAFFIC OFF OF COUNTY ROAD 290 THEN YOU WOULD THINK THAT WOULD BE

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YOU CAN'T CONTINUE TO ATTRACT THE NUMBER OF CARS ON THAT ROADWAY AND THEN THROW MAJOR CONSTRUCTION IN THERE.

THAT WILL BE A NIGHTMARE. >> IT'S A CAPACITY ISSUE.

>> SO GIVES US SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT.

LOOKING AT THE PROJECTED EMPLOYMENT INDUSTRIAL SERVICE ROAD WHICH IS 15. LOOKING AT THE ORANGE LEADING OVER TO THE EXPRESSWAY GOING TO BE FINISHED AT 2025 WHICH SEEM TO BE AHEAD OF SCHEDULE AT THIS POINT IN TIME.

IT'S UP TO US AS A COMMUNITY TO MEET THAT INTERCHANGE WITH A ROAD SO PEOPLE CAN GET TO THE HIGHWAY.

OUR PLAN WOULD BE ABOUT THE SAME TIME AS WE WOULD BE GETTING THERE ABOUT THE SAME TIME THAT MIGHT BE OPENING.

AND I THINK THAT'S ESSENTIAL FOR US TO BE ABLE TO GET PEOPLE THERE. OTHERWISE IT'S GOING TO CAUSE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCE WITH PEOPLE GOING OTHER PLACES TO GET ON THAT ROAD AND IT'S GOING TO CAUSE PROBLEMS AND CAPACITY ISSUES OTHER PLACES THEY CAN GET ON THE FIRST COAST EXPRESSWAY.

THE EXPRESSWAY THE DRIVING ALL OF THIS.

>> NO QUESTION. >> STATING THE OBVIOUS, SORRY

ABOUT THAT. >> SO MR. CHAIRMAN TAKING A LOOK THAT THE. THIS IS DEFINITELY A LOT TO DIGEST. AND WHAT I'D LIKE TO PROPOSE IS WE'RE GOING TO GET BACK TOGETHER AT THE STAFF LEVEL AND TAKE A CLOSER LOOK AT THIS. BUILD IN THE 10-$12 MILLION BOND SERVICING PORTION TO LOOK AT THAT.

AND THIS MAY ALSO AFFECT FOR INSTANCE 220.

MAYBE WE DID DISCUSS IN ONE OF OUR MEETINGS DID WE REALLY WANT TO SIX LANE 220 OR NOT. WOULD WE BE ABLE TO HANDLE THAT WITH THE MONEYS APPROPRIATED FOR THAT PROJECT IS ANOTHER THING.

WE'LL COME BACK UP AND WITH SOME MORE PROPOSAL ON THAT.

I THINK OVERALL JUST FOR YOUR GUIDANCE TO THE STAFF, DO THE PARALLEL LANES OR ROADWAYS MAKE SENSE AND HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THAT? MY COMMENT TO UNTAUGHT I THINK THE ORANGE DOTTED AREA, I MEAN IS ALSO A REQUIREMENT.

AND COMMISSIONER I THINK YOU SAW THAT WAS THE SAME AS YOU MENTIONED. ALSO I THINK IT'S ALSO CRITICAL OF SUSAN WOULD ADDRESS WHERE 218 EXTENSION ON THE YELLOW THAT YOU MENTIONED EARLIER I BELIEVE IS THE AREA THAT THEY ARE GOING TO CONCENTRATE ON BUILDING NEXT. IT IS ABOUT TIMING AND WHEN THE HOUSES WILL BE BUILT. LET'S BE HONEST.

THE CHART WE SAW. IF I COULD PREDICT STUFF LIKE THAT THEN I NEED TO PLAY THE LOTTERY EVERY DAY.

IT'S HARD TO PREDICT SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

I THINK THAT IS ALSO SOMETHING WE NEED TO DISCUSS AND WHAT GUARANTEE DOES THE COUNTY HAVE ON THESE NUMBERS? WE'RE KIND OF GOING OUT ON A LIMB SAYING OK.

NO. IT NEEDS TO BE MORE CONCRETE IN

THAT. >> WE NEED TO FACTOR IN HUMAN BEHAVIOR. IF I CAN GO 55 ON 209 AND 45 ON SAND RIDGE. I'M GOING TO TAKE THAT ALL DAY LONG OVER THE 35. UNLESS YOU CAN'T GET ON THERE.

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>> THAT'S THE QUESTION I ASKED AT THE LAST BOARD MEETING.

WHAT ARE THE OUTSIDE OF DOLLARS AND CENTS FROM AN OPERATIONAL STANDPOINT, HAD CHILL FACTORS ROAD ARE THE ONES THAT ARE NEEDED TO BE RELIEVED AND TAKEN CARE OF THE MOST CRITICAL.

AND SO I THINK

>>>> DID YOU HEAR ANYTHING YET? >>>> YEAH.

>>>> IS MY UNDERSTANDING RESUBMITTED I GUESS THAT'S HOW THEY WERE GOING TO ÃSO WITH THIS LAST ROUND OF SENATE APPROPRIATIONS SHE SUBMITTED A NEW APPROPRIATION FOR THAT PROJECT. IT WOULD BE A REDO OF THE EARLIER ÃAND I AM NOT SURE

WITH THE IDENTIFICATION. >>>> THEY WILL FIND OUT.

IT WAS PROPOSED TO BE PUT IN THERE THERE WAS THE DECISION TO MAKE.

AND JUST TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION THE MOST CRITICAL WERE THE ORIGINAL CHART WITH THE RED BEING DEFICIENT AND THE OTHER BEING CRITICAL. WHEN YOU PRIORITIZE THAT YOU NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT IS USING THE TPO NUMBERS CRITICAL AND EFFICIENT.

>>>> I DON'T DENY THAT. WHICH DO YOU ATTACK? AND THOSE ARE ABOVE AND BEYOND IF WE GO IN DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS. UNDERSTANDING THAT'S WHERE WE STARTED DOWN THIS ROAD SO TO SPEAK AND WE ARE LOOKING TO ALLEVIATE THE PROBLEMS AND THE

NEAR FUTURE. >>>> I THINK THIS PLAN HAS SOME MERIT. THIS JUST A MATTER OF DOLLARS. THERE ARE SOME TOUGH DECISIONS.

WILL THERE BE A LIGHTED NORTH-SOUTH AT ÃWHERE EVER YOU SEE THAT BLACK DOG IS NOT A TRAFFIC LIGHT? THERE'S TRAFFIC ESTIMATES AND HE LOOKED AT ÃON 209 AND NORTH-SOUTH ONE AND TWO AND HANLEY AND HENLEY WILL HAVE TO BE IMPROVED SO THERE'S $2 MILLION IN THE BUDGET FOR FOUR INTERSECTIONS.

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UNDERSTANDING >>>> MR. CHAIRMAN ALONG THE LINES OF THE HANDOUT ABOUT THE PROJECT MANAGEMENT OPTIONS, I THINK MIKE WANTED TO BRIEF US PERHAPS.

SO I THINK I WILL KICK IT OFF. OPTION ONE LOOKING AT IT WAS THE STRICT INTERNAL COUNTY OPTION. I WILL MENTION THAT WE FOLLOW THE BOARD'S DIRECTION WHERE WE ARE PREPARING THE RP AND WE ALSO WENT OUT WITH THE JOB ANNOUNCEMENT FOR THE PROJECT ADMINISTRATOR, THE PE OVERALL ON THAT. BUT THESE OPTIONS TO DISCUSS OBVIOUSLY THIS LOOKS EXACTLY

THIS >>>> YOU WILL SEE 3 TO 5 REFERENCED AND IT WILL ESSENTIALLY TAKE SIX PROJECTS MAYBE THE OTHER ONES WITH INDIVIDUAL PROJECTS SO YOU THINK IT'S GOING TO BE A MINIMUM OF THREE PROJECTS DEPENDING ON HOW THE COSTS SHAKE OUT AS THE PROCESS MOVES FORWARD?

>>>> I AM ALMOST 100 PERCENT IN MY MIND WE HAVE TO HIRE SOME KIND OF PROGRAM MANAGER BECAUSE DEAL CAN BE SPREAD THAT THIN WITH EVERYTHING THAT'S GOING ON.

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WHERE >>>> I STILL THINK WE SHOULD TAKE A STRONG LOOK AT HAVING COUNTY EMPLOYEES INVOLVED IN ALL LEVELS GOING THE ROUTE OF THE PROGRAM MANAGER I THINK THE CONSTRUCTION MANAGER NOT TRYING TO MIX-AND-MATCH ALL OF HIS OTHER THINGS AS WE GO THROUGH.

>>>> YOU ARE SAYING OPTION TWO? >>>> TWO A AND 2B.

MY THOUGHT WOULD BE TO DO TO A RATHER THAN TO BE. TO BE OR NOT TO BE.

>>>> BASICALLY. >>>> >> BASICALLY COULD HAVE A

PROJECT MANAGER WITH ANY OF THESE OPTIONS. >> THAT'S MY FEELING.

THAT'S WHY I MADE THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE BOARD MEETING, WE MOVE AHEAD WITH THE SEARCH TO FIND A PE. A PROJECT MANAGER WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL THEM A MOVE ON THAT. HE SAID WE CAN HAVE THAT PERSON IN PLACE AS SOON AS POSSIBLE TO

DEAL ALL OF THESE OTHER THINGS THAT ARE COMING UP. >> AND BY LOOKING AT CONSENSUS WITH OPTION 2 THE MANAGER OR PROJECT ADMINISTRATOR AS WE CALLED IT BEFORE ABOVE 2 A IS THE BOX OVERSEEING THE ENTIRE BONDING SET OF PROJECTS AND WITH THE CMR

>> GIVES US ACCOUNACCOUNTABILIT WE WILL GO TO THAT PERSON TO MAKE SURE THEY HAVE THE

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PART OF THE CONSTRUCTION MANAGER AT RISK. >> AND THEN DECIDE WHETHER IT IS A DESIGN BUILD OR WHETHER IT IS NOT. MOVING FORWARD BASED ON THE PROJECT AND BASED ON WHAT HAS TO DONE. AND SCALE TO DO TWO PROJECTS CLOSE TOGETHER. AND SOME OF THE CONSTRUCTION COMPANIES WILL CHARGE 100, 200 THOUSAND TO MOBILIZE AND PUT EVERYONE IN PLACE. YOU CAN SAVE MONEY THERE IF YOU HAVE THEM TWO PROJECTS AT THE SAME TIME. AND THE BUSINESS WILL LOOK

AT THAT AND FIGURE THAT OUT. >> THEY HAVE TO FOLLOW THE STATUTE AND GROUP THEM

SIMILAR. >> RIGHT. >> RIGHT.

>> LET THEM DO IT. >> -- LET TO JUST GO TO SOMEBODY ELSE.

>>> FIRST EXPRESSWAY, THERE ARE SUB PHASES, THERE ARE COMPETITION.

IS WHAT THEY BUILT IN TO WITH IT. THAT'S ANOTHER THING THAT WE

GET OUT OF IT. >> QUICK QUESTION; WHAT IS A C

CEI? >> INSPECTOR. >> INSPECTOR.

>> IT IS THE PROJECT MANAGER IT IS THE PROCESS THAT OVERLOOKS.

THE PROJECT MANAGER. (UNABLE TO HEAR). >>> WE'LL FIX IT BEFORE THE BOARD. ON THE OPTION AT THE TOP WHERE THE COUNTY SENDS OUT

AN RFP. IT IS AN RFQ. >> WE'LL ADD ON THAT AS

WELL. >> THANK YOU. >> ARE YOU OKAY WITH THAT?

>> UH-HUH. >> THAT COULD BE OUR, I GUESS, OUR COMMITTEE RECOMMENDATION TO GO THAT ROUTE. WE ARE ALREADY STARTED WITH

THE PROJECT PROGRAM MANAGER, RIGHT? >> YES, SIR.

-- IS NOT HERE. >> I DON'T NEED AN UPDATE RIGHT THIS SECOND.

WE STARTED IT. >> (TOO FAR FROM MIC). >> GOOD.

[Discussion of Athletic Association Leases - (James Householder)]

>> WANT TO MOVE AHEAD TO LISA'S? >> YES, SIR.

>> THAT WAS A STRATEGIC CALL. WHERE WE ARE ON ROADS.

AND NOT SPEND TIME ON LEASES. >> IT IS NOT AS EXCITING.

BUT IT GENERATES DISCUSSION AS IT COMES UP. >>> AS YOU RECALL IN THE LAST BOARD MEETING, WE HAD SEVERAL LEASES THAT EXPIRED AND WE ASKED TO EXTENT THOSE TO JUNE TO GIVE US TIME TO NEGOTIATE WITH THEM AND TRY TO COME UP WITH A COMPREHENSIVE LEASE SO THAT THEY WERE INCLUDED THAN THE RISK OF GETTING IT REJECTED.

WE HAVE A MEETING PLANNED 3 FEBRUARY. WE WANT TO DO ONE FEBRUARY, MARCH, APRIL. BY MAY WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT WHAT SHOULD BE OUR DRAFT

TO LEASE TO PRESENT TO THE BOARD. >>> OBVIOUSLY, THE REQUIREMENTS BY STATUTE FOR THE PROTECTION OF CHILDREN AND INSURANCES AND THOSE

LIABILITIES IS GOING TO BE IN THERE. >> ADDITIONALLY, I WILL GO OVER THE TOPICS THAT WE ARE LOOKINGITY WITH THE NEW LEASE.

>> ADDITIONAL ENTRANCES, THAT COVER GAPS IN THE COVERAGE THAT IS PROVIDED.

SAY LIKE YOU ARE FALL UNDER BABE RUTH OR ONE OF THE OTHER PROGRAMS, POPCORN, FOOTBALL. IT COVERS THOSE TYPES OF ACTIVITIES.

MAYBE THOSE INSURANCES ARE NOT COVERED AND THAT IS GOING TO FALL TO OUR LIABILITY. WE NEED TO LOOK TO GET INSURANCES TO COVER ALL OF

THE ACTIVITIES. THAT IS ONE ITEM. >> FOR EXAMPLE, OUTSIDE OF GAME ACTIVITY, CHEERLEADER ACTIVITY, UNDER THE FUNDRAISER.

THEY CARRY THE INSURANCES THROUGH THEIR COMPANIES AND IT DOESN'T COVER THAT.

>> GOOD FOR -- IN PARKS AND REC. TELL US WHAT YOU WILL AND WON'T. THERE ARE ACTIVITIES THAT THEY DON'T CONSIDER TO BE APART OF THE PROGRAM THEY ARE COVERING OR SUPPORTING. WE NEED TO TAKE A LOOK AT

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THAT. >>> THE NEXT ONE IS GOING TO GENERATE A LOT OF DISCUSSION. WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR WHICH MAINTA MAINTENANCE. WHO CAN TAKE CARE OF THE GROUNDS WORK, THEN IF NOT, WE DO. THAT LED US TO THE TIER SYSTEM.

ULTIMATELY WE ARE TALKING ABOUT REVENUE AND EXPENDITURES: WE NEED TO TALK THROUGH HOW THE FOLKS ARE ACCOUNTING FOR THE REVENUES AND EXPENDITURES.

WHETHER OR NOT WE ARE TRULY BURDEN TO PICK UP MORE ON THE MAINTENANCE.

>> ANOTHER ONE THAT HAS COME UP IS THE TERMS, HOW LONG THE LEASES ARE.

AGAIN, JUSTIN HAS BEEN DOING A LOT OF RESEARCH ABOUT WHAT OTHER COUNTIES IN THE STATE WHAT THEIR STANDARD, IF THERE IS ONE, TO LOOK AT THE NORMAL STUFF IN THOSE.

LEASE TERMS. AND ONE OF THE LAST ONES IS SUBLEASING.

WE ARE NOT SAYING THAT PARKS CAN'T BE SUBLEASED. BUT WE NEED TO LOOK AT IF THE ASSOCIATION CAN DO IT OR THE COUNTY CAN DO IT. TO ENSURE THAT THE SUBLEASING IS HANDLED CORRECTLY, AND NOT LEASING OUT THE PARKS.

THAT IS IF THERE IS AN INCIDENT. AND FINDING OUT IF THERE WERE THERE UNDER THE RIGHT TERMS WITH THE RIGHT COVERAGE.

>> WE ARE NOT GOING TO LIMIT THE PARKS. WE ARE ENSURE OF HOW

SUBLEASES ARE BEING HANDLED. >> AND I THINK ALSO, IF AN ORGANIZATION GETS THE FIELD A DOLLAR A YEAR AND SUBLEASE AND MAKE MONEY OFF OF IT. THAT SHOULDN'T BE THERE

MONEY. >> RIGHT. THAT'S WHY WE NEED TO SEE IT. THAT'S WHY IT PLAYS IN REVENUES AND EXPENDITURES.

>> I DON'T MIND SHARING THE REVENUES WITH THEM. THEY WERE ABLE TO SOUGHT THIS OUT. I DON'T THINK THEY SHOULD KEEP ALL OF IT.

IF THEY ARE NOT PAYING ONE HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE MAINTENANCE.

>> SO MUCH IN MY MIND WHAT STHR REVENUES TRULY ARE -- WHAT THEIR REVENUES TRULY ARE. YOU CAN SEE I MADE THIS MUCH MONEY AND SPENT IT ALL.

MAYBE IT WASN'T ALL IN THE PROGRAM. WE WANT TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT WITH THEM. WHICH FORCES -- NOT A BAD THING -- COME TOGETHER AS STAFF FIRST -- DISCUSS IT WITH THE COUNTY MANAGER AND GET YOUR INPUT.

WHAT SHOULD THE PROGRAM LOOK LIKE? WHAT IS A GOOD EXPENDITURE.

WHAT SHOULD YOU PROVIDE AS AN ASSOCIATION UP FRONT? RIGHT OFF THE TOP.

INSURANCES, UTILITIES, MAYBE GROUNDS BEFORE YOU PAY FOR OTHER THINGS.

THESE ARE THE TOPICS. >> BEYOND THAT, LIKE I SAID, WE NEED THAT TIME.

WE NEED TO KEEP HAVING THE MEETINGS AND WE WILL COME TOGETHER IN WHAT OUR STANCE IS AND GET THEIR STANCE ON IT. THIS NEEDS TO BE MOVED FORWARD AS A BUSINESSES VENTURE. THERE ARE CERTAIN EXPECTATIONS. YOU DON'T GO INTO BUSINESS VENTURES AND EXPECT THEM TO COVER THEIR LIABILITIES. SOMETHING THAT THE OTHER SIDE CAN TRUST.

LIKE BORROWING MONEY FROM A BANK AND NOT GIVE THEM YOUR PAYCHECK STUB.

>> I APPLAUD YOU AND THE STAFF AND THE COUNTY MANAGER FOR INCLUDING ALL OF THESE ASSOCIATIONS AS PART OF THE DISCUSSION. RATHER THAN HAVING IT BE

HERE IT IS TAKE THIS, AND -- >> ONCE BITTEN, TWICE SHY. IF YOU REMEMBER 2014, WE DRAFTED A LEASE AND WE WENT THROUGH HOW MANY BOARD MEETINGS.

BACK AND FORTH EVEN THE BOARD LIKED, MORE OR LESS THE ASSOCIATION.

THIS IS ONLY THE MOST LOGICAL THING TO DO. LET'S BUILD IT TOGETHER.

IF IT TAKES SEVERAL MEETINGS TO DO SO, SO ABOUT IT. WE'LL DIG IN AND SAY THIS IS WHAT WE WANT. THEY WILL HAVE TO PROVE THAT THEY CAN'T MEET THAT.

I DON'T THINK ANY THING WE ARE ASKING FOR SO FAR, GOING TO CALL OUR STANCE.

IT IS JUSTIFIED. THEY GET THE ADVANTAGE. >> WE WANT TO BE PERCEIVED AS BEING FAIR AND INCLUDE THEM IN PARTS OF THE DISCUSSION, THAT'S IMPORTANT. I THINK WE NEED TO SHOW THEM THAT THERE'S A VALUE THAT THEY PROVIDE TO THE COUNTY. OTHERWISE, WE WOULD BE PROVIDING THE RECREATIONAL

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PUBLIC/PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP. >> ABSOLUTELY. >> PROVIDING THE RECREATIONAL COMPONENT THAT GIVES US QUALITY OF LIFE WHICH MAKES PEOPLE WANT TO

MOVE HERE. >> WE LIKE TO START AND FINISH, WE UNDERSTAND THAT YOU ARE VOLUNTEERS. WE APPRECIATE WHAT YOU ARE DOING, BECAUSE THE COUNTY

DOESN'T HAVE THE STAFF OR THE FUNDS TO DO IT FULLY. >> AT THE SAME TIME, THE COUNTY DOESN'T HAVE THE STAFF OR FUNDS TO THE IT FULLY.

WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT IS A BUSINESS PLAN. THESE ARE THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS FOR THE PARK. IF YOU CAN BUILD A BUSINESS PLAN ON THE ABILITY TO SIGN UP CHILDREN ON A CERTAIN RATE ON THE BEST GUESS ON EXPENSES ARE.

WE WANT TO SEE THAT AND TAKE THAT RESPONSIBLY. IT IS A CHALLENGE, YES.

WE APPRECIATE THAT. AT THE SAME TIME, THERE HAS TO BE GIVE AND TAKE.

IT HAS TO BE A PARTNERSHIP. THAT'S OUR APPROACH. I WILL SAY PUBICALLY.

WE WANT TO RECOGNIZE THAT THERE ARE AFFORDING A SERVICE TO THE PROGRAM AND WE APPRECIATE THAT. BUT, WE CAN'T KEEP ON JUST GETTING DUMPED ON FOR THE EXPENSES. YOU KNOW BETTER THAN I, WE CAN'T AFFORD MUCH MORE IN PARKS. WE WOULD LIKE TO FIND ALTERNATIVES IN FUNDING AND

MORE COVERAGE FROM THEM FOR WHAT THEY PAY FOR. >> SOUNDS REASONABLE.

>> I LIKE THE IDEA OF INCLUDING THEM ALONG THE WAY AS YOU GUYS WORK THESE

THINGS OUT. >> I GUESS WE COULD TAKE MINUTES OR WHATEVER AND SHARE THOSE AS THEY COME AND GIVE THEM A FEEL FOR WHAT WAS DISCUSSED.

NEGOTIATIONS ARE GOING TO DRAG ON WHILE, OR THEY ARE CLOSE.

WE WILL KEEP GIVING YOU A HEADS UP ON WHERE WE ARE. I DON'T WANT TO WAIT UNTIL

MAY TO GIVE YOU THE INFORMATION ON THE LEASE. >> WHAT IS NEPTUNE PARK.

THE LEASE ON THAT. IF WE FINISH UP THE PROJECT AND THEY ARE READY TO AASSUME A LEASE AND EXTENT THEM, WE'LL ENTER INTO ONE ON THE SAME TERMS NOW.

WHEN THE CHANGES COME WE'LL WRITE THEM ANOTHER ONE LIKE WE DO WITH ANYBODY ELSE.

>> HAVE WE BEEN IN TOUCH WITH THEM IN TERMS OF WHAT THEIR PLANS AS FAR AS TANGLE

WOOD? >> NO. WE NEED TO HAVE A SIDE DISCUSSION AND AFFORD SOME TIME ON THE THIRD TO HASH THAT OUT.

AGAIN, I HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THE ABILITY TO MAINTAIN MORE PARKS THAN YOU ARE NOW.

IF YOU GET ANOTHER ONE. AND WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.

THERE ARE OTHERS THAT HAVE SHOWN INTERESTING IN THE PARCELS AS WELL.

>> IF WE GET INTO A SITUATION WHERE WE ARE COMPETING, WE CAN ASK FOR PROPOSALS. WHO CAN BRING THE MOST TO THE COMMUNITY AND TAKE LESS

FROM THE COUNTY IN DOING IT. >> I KNOW, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO BE IN TOUCH WITH

THEM. THAT WILL FREE UP A PARK. >> YES, SIR.

>> WE NEED TO SEE WHAT THE GAME PLAN IS, AND NOT LEAVE IT SIT THERE IDLE.

>> THEY HAVE SHOWN INTEREST IN IT. >> THAT ASSOCIATION, THE ATHLETIC ASSOCIATION WORKED OUT A PLAN WHERE THEY WILL -- I GUESS MOST OF THE OLDER KIDS WILL PLAY AT ARMSTRONG AND EVERYONE ELSE WILL BE PLAYING AT NEPTUNE.

>> IF THEY PICKED UP SOME OF THE COMMUNITY, MAYBE THEY WILL PICK UP THE OTHER

CHILDREN AND HAVE A PLACE TO PLAY. >> GOOD.

>> QUESTIONS? >> NOPE. >> THANK YOU.

>> CARRY ON. >> THANKS. >> I HOPE THEY PLAY NICELY.

>>> ANYTHING ELSE? >> NO, SIR. >> PENDING ANY OTHER --

>> VERY GOOD. >> WE COVERED A LOT OF GROUND TODAY.

CREATED MORE QUESTIONS THAN WE PROVIDED ANSWERS FOR. THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THE COMMITTEE APPROACH SO WE CAN FIGURE OUT WHERE WE ARE GOING AND GET THE QUESTIONS

ON EVERYBODY'S MINDS TO COME UP WITH ANSWERS. >> VERY GOOD.

>>> ANYTHING ELSE? >> I'M LOOKING OVER AT THE PROJECT MANAGER TO SEE IF

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.