FOR A COUPLE OF MINUTES FOR KATHY? OKAY. [CALL TO ORDER] [APPROVAL OF MINUTES] [00:00:09] ALL RIGHT SO I WOULD CALL THIS TO ORDER. THE FIRST THING IS THE APPROVAL OF MINUTES. DID EVERYONE. ARE GET A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THE MINUTES. >> THE ONLY THING I NOTICED OFFHAND IS THEY MISSPELLED FORT H-- THERE'S AN E AFTER THE L. >> AND THEY ALSO MISSPELLED GARY'S FERRY. GARY'S OR GAREY'S, CORRECT? >> YES IT'S G.A.R.E. Y. >> YES IT'S MISSPELLED A COUPLE OF TIMES ON HERE. IN THE AREA OF DISCUSSION. >> OKAY KATHY WE JUST STARTED. WE'RE LOOKING AT THE MINUTES TO SFEE THERE'S ANY CORRECTIONS. LOOKS LIKE TWO HAVE BEEN NOTEED. AND I'LL GIVE EVERYONE ANOTHER MINUTE TO LOOK. J WHERE WAS THE GARY'S FERRY. >> OH YEAH GOSH THAT'S AWFUL. >> ALL RIGHT SO THOSE ARE ALL THE CORRECTIONS. DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE? >> I MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES. >> ALL RIGHT. IS THERE A SECOND TO APPROVE? >> SECOND. >> ALL RIGHT. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? WE CAN DO A VOTE. ALL IN FAVOUR SAY AYE. AND IT'S APPROVED. ALL RIGHT, NEXT IS PUBLIC COMMENTS. THERE'S NO ONE HERE FROM THE [OLD BUSINESS] PUBLIC. SO FOLLOWING THAT, WE HAVE OLD BUSINESS. MS. CARSEN. >> YES JUST WANTED TO PROVIDE A BRIEF UPDATE ON THE HI STORIC MARKERS AT THIS POINT. MIDDLEBURG COLOURED SCHOOL MARKER WAS JUST APPROVED. AND THAT IS ST. MARY'S-- CHURCH WENT BACK IN PRODUCTION IN MARCH 2026. SO WE ARE WAITING ON THAT. THEY SAID FIVE TO SIX MONTHS SO HOPEFULLY WE'RE GETTING CLOSE. MIDDLEBURG IS IN REVIEW SO HOPE THEY GET ON THAT HAVE ON THEIR AGENDA AND THAT'S ALL WE HAVE. >> THEY DID. THE LEADERS OF THAT INITIATIVE DID ASK ME TO CHECK IF THERE'S ANYTHING LACKING THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN SUBMITTED FOR THE MIDDLEBURG MARKER. >> NO IT'S BEEN SUBMITED. WE'RE JUST WAITING ON THE COUNCIL. >> THEY ARE VERY HAPPY WITH THE COUNTY MARKER. >> THE COUNTY MARKER IS AWESOME. >> YEAH BILLY DID A GREAT JOB ON IT. >> YES. SO THAT'S ALL I HAVE. WE HAVE NO OTHER MARKERS IN THE WORKS AT THIS TIME OTHER THAN FORT--. >> NUMBER 11? >> THANK YOU. THAT-- IF I MAY COMMENT, WE GOT SO MUCH MATERIAL THAT HAS BEEN COLLECTED, WENT TO DC AND ALL THAT. SO-- DO THEY WANT PHYSICALLY MATERIAL TO LOOK AT? OR IS IT ENOUGH TO CITE--. >> THEY TYPICALLY ASK FOR ANY MATERIAL THAT YOU COULDN'T READILY FIND. SO JUST COPIES OF-- PDF COPIES OF IT. >> HUNDREDS OF PAGES. >> SO IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT COULDN'T BE FOUND, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S A BOOK TO REFER TO. CERTAINLY THEY COULD LOOK IT UP IF THEY WANTED TO. BUT--. >> SO YEAH, I MEAN BOOKS WE CAN CITE. BUT THE ACTUAL MATERIAL FROM YEAH-- THIS IS JUST PART OF THE MATERIAL. HOW MUCH THEY REALLY-- I DON'T [00:05:04] WANT THEM TO SAY WHOA-- WE DIDN'T HAVE SOMETHING WE WANTED. TO PAY FOR THE SHIPMENT. >> WE DO ALL PDFS. MEANWHILE CONCERNING BEFORE-- I WAS JUST IN TOUCH WITH DEIRDRE MURPHY WHO IS TO BLAME FOR LAUNCHING THIS. AND SHE SAID THAT SHE JUST I GUESS YESTERDAY, HEARD FROM TOM PAREM WHO HAS BEEN GRADUALLY WORKING ON LOCATING THE POSSIBLE WHERE THE ACTUAL FORT WAS. AND HE TOLD HER SHE SAYS, THAT HE HAS BEEN FINALLY LOOKING INTO THIS. AND IT'S ON PRIVATE PROPERTY BUT IT MIGHT BE SOMETHING WE WANT TO SITE. OR AT LEAST PUT IN THE THE REPORT TO THE PEOPLE WHO WOULD VIEW IT IF INDEED, IT IS FOUNDED. >> WELL, WE WOULD NEED THE PROPERTY OWNERS PERMISSION. TO LOCATE THE MARKER IF THEY ARE WILLING. >> WELL THEY SAID, DEIDRE SAID NO. THEY'VE ALREADY DECIDED THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE IT IN THE PUBLIC PLACE WHERE IT CAN BE SEEN AND OBSERVED. SO EVEN THOUGH THE SITE OF THE ACTUAL FORT IS PROBABLY A COUPLE BLOCKS FROM THERE, THAT'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE GOOD ENOUGH. BUT IT WILL BE NICE IF FOR THE SAKE OF THE RECORD OR THE FILES, THEY CAN SAY THAT IT'S EXACTLY AT THIS PARTICULAR POINT. BUT I HAVEN'T HEARD. SHE PROMISED THAT SHE'D GET THEM TO SHARE WITH US MORE INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT HE'S FOUND. BECAUSE THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON A LONG TIME. SO THAT'S IT. >> THAT'S ALL I HAVE. >> ALL RIGHT I'M BACK WORKING ON THE WORDING FOR A PLEASANT POINT MARKER. I HAVE MEGAN COTTAGE HELPING ME SO I'M HOPING WITHIN A COUPLE OF MONTHS THEY WILL RESEARCH AND READY TO PRESENT. ALL RIGHT, WE'RE BACK TO ANY [STAFF COMMENTS] OTHER FURTHER PUBLIC COMMENTS. AND THERE'S NO PUBLIC, SO WE WILL MOVE ONTO STAFF COMMENTS. KATHY, DO YOU WANT TO GAVE CEMETERY UPDATE? >> ABSOLUTELY. SO SAADER CEMETERY WE CONTINUE TO DO MAINTENANCE THERE IN CLEANING THE STONES. IT'S IN GREAT CONDITION. SO WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF THINGS TO DO THERE. AND MCKENDRY WE'RE DOING MAINTENANCE TO CONTROL THE VEGETATION. WE'VE REPAIRED THE FENCE THERE. BOY SCOUT TRIP 482 WHICH ORIGINALLY DID SOME CLEAN-UP FOR US IN JANUARY, HAS COMMITTED TO DO MONTHLY MAINTENANCE ON THE THIRD SATURDAY OF EVERY MONTH FOR THE NEXT 12 MONTHS. SO THAT IS AWESOME. I'M VERY EXCITED ABOUT THAT. AND BURNING A CEMETERY-- ASSISTING BREE MCGEE WITH THE RESEARCH OF THE UNMARKED BURIALS. AT HYBERNIA. THERE'S A LOT OF WOODEN CROSSES THERE THAT DON'T HAVE NAMES. A LOT OF UNMARKED BURIALS. WE FOUND SEVERAL RECORDS TO INDICATE THAT-- WHO IS BURRIED AT HYBERNIA WHICH IS AWESOME. MY HUSBAND AND I REPAIRED AND INSTALLED A BROKEN HEADSTONE FOR FELIX FRASER WHICH IS-- WAS A-- BLACK FAMILIES THAT IS BURIED AT HYBERNIA. IT RESTORED HIS STONE WAS STORED IN ST. MARGARET'S CHAPEL FOR SEVERAL DECADES. HE HAD A WOODEN CROSS THERE WITH HIS NAME ON IT. BUT HIS ACTUAL STONE WAS IN THE CHAPEL. IT WAS BROKEN IN THE CHAPEL. SO WE TOOK IT HOME. WE REPAIRED IT. AND A COUPLE WEEKS AGO, WE INSTALLED IT. AND CLEANED IT AND TOOK THE WOODEN CROSS OUT. IT WAS SO EXCITING. WE WERE JUST SO EXCITED. AND CLEAN SEVERAL OTHER STANDS WHILE WE WERE THERE. STONES. THE SOPHIA FLEMING CHAPTER OF THE D.A.R. WAS WITH US AND WE ARE ALSO WORKING ON SOME OTHER STUFF WITH THEM. SO TOMORROW I'M GOING TO BE ATTENDING THE IS YOU SUMMIT IN ST. AUGUSTINE. WHICH IS TO MONITORING-- PROGRAM WHICH I'M A MEMBER OF I'VE ALSO COMPILED A LIST OF PEARL HARBOUR SURVIVORS BURIED IN CLAY COUNTY AND I'VE PROVIDED THEM TO THE HISTORICAL SOCIETIES BECAUSE [00:10:06] THEY WERE ASKING ABOUT MAKING RECOGNITION FOR THAT FOR PEARL HARBOUR DAY IN DECEMBER. SO I PUT TOGETHER A WHOLE LIST OF PEARL HARBOUR SURVIVORS THAT ARE BURIED IN CLAY COUNTY. I'VE ALSO CONTACTED THE JACKSONVILLE D.A.R. ABOUT REPLACEMENT OF THE PATRIOT MARKER FOR OLD HICKORY GROVE CEMETERY. THE LADY THAT IS IN CHARGE OF THAT HAS KIND OF DONE A SABBATICAL OVER THE SUMER. SO I HAVEN'T GOT AN UPDATE FROM THEM. BUT THEY ARE ENGAGED WITH THAT TO TRY AND REPLACE THE PATRIOT MARKER FOR HIM. I'VE ALSO ATTENDED THE NATIONAL TRUST FOR HI STORIC PRESENTATION WEBINAR. THAT WAS REGARDING THE REGULATION CHANGES TO SECTION 106 OF THE NATIONAL HI STORIC PRESERVATION ACT AND HOW IT AFFECTS US. SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE HEARD ABOUT THIS, BUT SECTION 106 IS PART OF THE NATIONAL HI STORIC PRESERVATION ACT. AND THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS MAKING SOME CHANGES TO THAT, THAT MAY AFFECT US. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT AFFECTS US IS THE STATE OF LOCAL GOVERNMENTS WILL NO LONG VERY THE RIGHT TO BE NOTIFIED. OR HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO COMMENT WHEN FEDERAL AGENCY PROPOSED TO DAMAGE OR DESTROY HISTORIC PLACES WITHIN THEIR JURISDICTION. SO IF YOU ARE NOT FAMILIAR WITH THIS CHANGES WITH SECTION 106, I CERTAINLY CAN PROVIDE THE INFORMATION ABOUT THIS. BUT IT WAS A VERY INTERESTING WEBINAR TO LEARN ABOUT HOW THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS MAKING CHANGES THAT COULD AFFECT US ON THE STATE AND LOCAL GOVERNMENT LEVEL. >> HAVE THESE BEEN-- THOSE CHANGES BEEN FINALIZED? OR ARE THEY IN THE WORKS? >> THEY ARE-- THEY ARE UNDER THREAT. AND THE NATIONAL TRUST FOR HI STORIC PRESERVATION HAS VOTED AGAINST IT. SO THERE'S A BIG FIGHT GOING ON ABOUT THESE CHANGES TO SECTION 106. >> OKAY, SO PEOPLE COULD COME--. >> ABSOLUTELY. ABSOLUTELY. AND I CAN PROVIDE THAT. SO YOU GUYS CAN SEE MORE INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL. BECAUSE THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS MAKING CHANGES THAT ARE GOING TO AFFECT US AT THE STATE AND LOCAL GOVERNMENT LEVEL. >> YEAH. >> YEP. SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON. STILL WAITING ON THE V.A. APPROVAL FOR A HEADSTONE FOR JAMES KEEN AT SAUDER. WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN A DENIAL. WHICH IS ALWAYS GOOD. NO NEWS IS ALWAYS GOOD NEWS, RIGHT? I HAVEN'T GOT ANY UPDATE YET ON THE-- CEMETERY FROM THE STAGES HISTORICAL COMMISSION. THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO HAVE THE-- SOMEBODY GO OUT AND DO A SITE VISIT THERE PIP HAVEN'T GOT ANY UPDATE FROM HER. WE HAVE SEVERAL HEADSTONE REPAIRS THAT WE ARE WORKING ON. ONE IS FOR LEU GECHLT NIA TOWNS NND SAADER. ONE IS FOR GEORGE DUNNSCOMB AT HYBERNIA. GEORGE IS ANOTHER ONE. WHICH IS BROKEN OFF FROM THE BASE. THE REST STOIFRTED IN THE CHAPEL. THE CHAPTER. AND WE'RE GOING TO BAILED TEMPLATE TO TRY AND FIGURE OUT HOW THOUGH PUT HIS STONE BACK TOGETHER. SO WE CAN DO THAT. WE HAVE TWO HEADSTONES AT BLACK CREEK METHODIST CHURCH CEMETERY AND TWO AT MCKENDRY AND ONE HEADSTONE FOR ROXY BELL AT HYBERNIA. SO WE'RE DOING A LOT OF HEADSTONE REPAIRS. TO TRY AND PRESERVE THE MEMORY OF THESE PEOPLE THAT ARE BURRIED WITHIN CLAY COUNTY. I STILL NEED TO VERIFY TO ADD THEM TO THE FM FL MASTER SITE FILE. EVEN THOUGH THE PROPERTY WAS GIVEN TO THEM FOR THE CEMETERY, I'M STILL TRYING TO FINALIZE THE ACTUAL DATE BEFORE I CAN SUBMIT IT. AND I'M STILL WAITING ON AN UPDATE FROM MS. PEEBLES ABOUT THE LOCATION OF GARNER LEE CEMETERY WHICH IS UP SPRING BANK ROAD SO WE CAN GET THAT ADDED AND WE NEED TO ALSO VISIT AND SUBMIT BELLAMY ROAD CEMETERY IN KEYSTONE TO GET THEM ADDED AS [00:15:06] WELL. WE DO A LOT OF RESEARCH. WE DO A LOT OF RESTORATION WORK. WE CAN'T TAKE ANYTHING ON MORE AT THIS POINT. IT'S LONG SEEMED TO ME THAT THE BORDERS THAT ARE TAPERING OFF DOWN THE SLOPE, THAT THERE MAY WELL BE BURIALS THERE THAT KIND OF JUST DISAPPEARED FROM SIGHT? >> SO MY CONTACT FOR OLD HICKORY GROVE IS MS. PEEBLES. WE HAVE TRIED THE NUMEROUS TIMES TO OFFER OUR SERVICES TO REPAIR THE STONES. DO MAINTENANCE THERE, WHATEVER-- WE JUST CAN'T SEEM TO GET A RESPONSE FROM THE CHURCH. WE'VE OFFERED OUR SERVICES FREE OF CHARGE. VOLUNTEERING. BUT WE CAN'T SEEM TO GET THEM TO SAY-- OKAY, GREAT. >> YEAH, WELL I'VE TRIED TO FIND ANYBODY WHO IS IN CHARGE OF IT. LEGALLY IN CHARGE OF IT. >> WELL, THE OLD HICKORY GROVE CEMETERY IS OWNED BY THE HICKORY GROVE BAPTIST CHURCH. AND THAT'S HOW WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO CONNECT WITH THEM. OFFERING OUR SERVICES TO MAINTAIN IT. ZBLAIF CONTACT FROM THAT CHURCH AND I CAN TALK TO HER AND MAYBE THAT CAN GET YOU SOMEWHERE. >> WE'VE BEEN TALKING TO MS. PEEBLES FROM A YEAR AGO. WE'VE TRIED TO REACH OUT TO THE PASTOR AND SEVERAL THINGS ABOUT TRYING TO GET THINGS DONE. I'M MORE CONCERNED ABOUT NOT MOWING AND WEED EATING AND THAT KIND OF STUFF. MORE AS RESEARCHING AND REPAIRING THE STONES. THERE'S A LOT OF STONES THAT ARE BROKEN THAT JUST NEED TO BE FIXED AND WE HAVE THE SKILLS TO DO THAT. WE CERTAINLY CAN GET MORE VOLUNTEERS BUT THE OTHER THING IS JUST WE'RE MAINTAINING AND REPAIRING THE HEADSFOERNS PEOPLE THAT ARE BURIED THERE. THAT WOULD BE OUR PRIMARY FOCUS. >> DO YOU HAVE ACCESS STILL TO GROUND PENETRATING THAT WOULD REVEAL STONES THAT HAVE SUNK INTO THE GROUND AND SO FURTH? >> YEAH, SO WE DO, WE ARE VERY INVOLVED WITH F MAN WHICH HAS THE GROUND BEN TRAITING RADAR. IN FACT WHEN I WAS WORKING WITH BREE MCGEE ABOUT HYBERNIA SHE ASKED ME ABOUT THAT. AND THAT IS FAIRLY SMALL, RIGHT? SHE AND I WENT THROUGH THE DOUSING RODS TO TRY AND GO OVER WHERE WE THINK THE BURIALS ARE. BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF CROSSES WITH NO NAMES. I DON'T KNOW THAT A GPR WOULD HELP HER THAT MUCH. >> DOES MS. PEEPLES KNOW YOU'RE GETTING THAT MARKER? YEAH HE HAS A STONE BUT HIS DAR MARKER IS DISAPPEARED OVER THE YEARS. BUT THAT IS WHAT I'M WORKING WIH. BUT IT WOULD BE NICE TO DO REPAIRS OF THE STONES. EVEN WHEN WE WERE AT HYBERNIA AND THERE'S A FEW THERE THERE WAS A COUPLE. ONE LADY. HER STONE. IS OFF THE BASE. IT'S NOT A BIG DEAL. BUT YEAH WITH SOME OF THE OTHER ONES TRYING TO FIND BURIALS. [00:20:02] I'VE WALKED THROUGH HYBERNIA WITH MY DOUSING RODS WHERE THERE WERE MARKERS AND SOMETIMES THEY WOULD WORK AND SOMETIMES THEY WOULDN'T. BUT MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE WOODEN MARKERS AND HYBERNIA WERE DONE BAY BOY SCOUT TROOP BACK IN THE '80S. SO I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY DETERMINED THAT THERE WERE BURIALS THERE. WE'RE NOT QUITE SURE. BUT BREE AND I HAVE BEEN DOING A LOT OF RESEARCH AND FOUND SEVERAL RECORDS ABOUT PEOPLE. WHICH IS VERY COOL. BECAUSE A LOT OF THEM ARE BLACK FAMILIES. AND THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE ASSUMED. WAS THE BACK PART THE CEMETERY WERE EITHER SLAVES OR SERVANTS OR BLACK FAMILIES FROM THE FLEMING PLANTATION. >> OKAY. AND THEN MELISSA, MAYBE YOU CAN HELP BREAK THE ICE WITH HICKORY GROVE. AND MAYBE. >> YEAH, I'LL SEE WHAT I CAN DO. >> SO THEY CAN DO SOME WORK THERE. I'LL JUST PIGGYBACK REAL QUICKLY WITH PLEASANT POINT. DID YOU SEE-- WE HAD THE F. ANDREW INITIAL ARCHAEOLOGICAL REPORT. DID YOU GET A COPY OF THAT? >> NO. >> I'LL FORWARD IT TO YOU. IT'S PRETTY INTERESTING. OR ANYBODY ELSE HERE THAT MIGHT BE INTERESTED. AND THEY ARE GOING TO BE BACK OUT IN THE FALL WHEN TEMPERATURES GET A LITTLE COOLER TO KEEP SURVEYING. AND AS FOR PLEASANT POINT, HENRY BENNETT I DID TALK TO RICK-- AND I DO HAVE A PLAN MOVING FORWARD. BUT I'M STILL NEEDING A SIGNATURE TO GET THAT REPLACEMENT STONE FOR HIM. SO I THINK THAT'S IT FOR PLEASANT POINT. ANY OTHER RELATED STAFF COMMENTS? >> DO YOU MEAN BOARD MEMBER COMMENTS? >> UP-- YEAH. SO WE WOULD MOVE NEXT TO-- IS THIS WHERE I MIGHT MENTION, I'M SORRY, THE HISTORICAL DISTRICT STUFF? OR DO I WAIT FOR--. ALL RIGHT. SO ANY OTHER COMMENTS? WE'LL MOVE ONTO BOARD MEMBER COMMENTS NOW. AM I CORRECT? OH, OKAY, I'M SORRY, I WONDERED ABOUT THAT. ALL RIGHT. I APOLOGIZE. SO-- I'LL JUST JUMP IN HERE. AT THE LAST MEETING THE TERM OF HAVING A HISTORICAL DISTRICT HERE IN GREEN COVE CAME UP. AND I WAS KIND OF CURIOUS ABOUT THAT. AND THEN I WENT TO A MUSEUM ROUND TABLE AND IT CAME UP AGAIN. AND THEN I TALKED TO MARION AND JUSTIN---O AND-- ARCHIVES AND THEY TRIED TO ASK ME TO FIGURE FOUT WE DO HAVE A DESIGNATION FOR HISTORICAL DISTRICT. AND WE DO, IT'S IN THE NATIONAL REGISTER. AND IT WAS PUT IN IN 1991. BUT WE'RE STILL TRYING TO FIND FOUT WE HAVE ANY KIND OF LOCAL DESIG DESIGNATION. SO I WAS JUST CURIOUS ABOUT THAT AND I THOUGHT I WOULD FOLLOW UP ON THAT. AND I KNOW THAT BETH IS CHECKING WITH SOMEONE THROUGH THE COUNTY AS WELL. WITH THE CITY AND I HAVE SOMEONE WITH THE CITY I BELIEVE-- IT'S AARON WEST. THAT WAS GOING TO TRY TO FIGURE THAT OUT. BUT SO FAR IT'S A BIT OF A MYSTERY WHETHER OR NOT THE CITY DID A CLASSIFICATION FOR A HISTORIC DISTRICT. >> YES, I'M A LITTLE UNCLEAR ON THESE DAYS IF WE FOUND THESEING NATION, WHAT WOULD WE DO ABOUT THEM. BECAUSE THERE SEEMS TO BE THE IDEA. THE DISTRICT COUNTY IS HANDS ON. WE DON'T DO ANYTHING. WITH IT. LITTLE STRANGE TO ME. BUT THAT'S APPARENTLY THE SETTLED OPINION. SO WOULD WE BE TALK ABOUT A HISTORICAL DISTRICT FOR UNINCORPORATED PARTS OF THE COUNTY? >> I DON'T KNOW JERRY. THIS STUFF IS SO NEW TO ME. NOBODY HAD CLEAR ANSWERS FOR ME ON ANY OF THIS. >> I THINK LATE '80S GREEN COAST SPRINGS HAD A SURVEY MADE BY PROFESSIONALS. I THINK IT WAS ABOUT 1989. >> AND WE BELIEVE THAT WAS THE WORK THAT IS DONE THAT WOULD LAY THE WAY FOR US TO GET ON THE NATIONAL REGISTER. SHE HAS A COPY OF THAT FULL SURVEY AS DOES THE MUSEUM. YOU GUYS HAVE ONE OF THE MUSEUM AS WELL. AND I THINK IT'S THE ORIGINAL. AND THAT'S THERE. AND WHAT WE THINK IS THAT WAS PUT TOGETHER. AND THEN PRESENTED TO GET US ON THE NATIONAL REGISTER. WHETHER OR NOT THE CITY OR COUNTY DID ANYTHING FURTHER, WE'RE NOT CLEAR YET. AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE BENEFITS WOULD BE TO THAT. BUT I JUST TRIED TO INVESTIGATE EIGHT LITTLE BIT. [00:25:02] >> IT'S KIND OF AN UPHILL STRUGGLE AS FAR AS I CAN SEE BECAUSE PEOPLE WHO DON'T WANT TO HAVE ANY RESTRICTIONS ON WHAT THEY CAN DO WITH THEIR PROPERTY. SO WE HAD TO CONVINCE THEM THAT IT'S A COOL THING TO DO. IT'S BETTER FOR THE PRESTIGE OF THE PLACE AND STANDING. >> CORRECT, BUT IT DOES IF I UNDERSTAND RIGHT, KIT LEAD TO SOME GRANT OPPORTUNITIES. AND THEN PERHAPS SOME TAX-- SMALL TAX INCENTIVES. >> YES, I GUESS. ALTHOUGH TAXES FOR FOR EXAMPLE IN GREEN COVE, TAXES ARE REALLY PRETTY LOW AT PRESENT. SO I'M NOT SURE HOW MUCH. UNLESS THERE WAS GRANTS FOR REHABILITATING. WHENEVER I'VE TRIED TO LOOK INTO IT. IT SEEMS THAT THE ONLY REAL SUBSTANTIAL GRANTS ARE FOR HISTORIC COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES. BUT I MAY BE MISTAKEN. BUT THAT'S THE WAY IT LOOKS SO FAR. SO YEAH IF THERE WAS SOME REAL MONEY AVAILABLE TO HOME OWN HORSE WANTED TO REALLY BRING BACK A PLACE. THE OTHER THING ABOUT THE-- THE DESIGNATION OF HISTORICAL DISTRICTS IS-- IT'S REALLY APPARENTLY EMPHASIZING THE EXTERIOR OF THE BUILDINGS. TO ME-- THE INTERIOR WOULD BE JUST AS FASCINATING IF IT COULD BE MADE IN A MORE PROMINENT IN THE THINKING. BUT SO FAR, THAT'S-- THE WAY IT SEEMS TO BE. REGARDING PRIVATE RESIDENCES. >> ALL RIGHT, IF WE COULD START [BOARD MEMBER'S COMMENTS] AT MAYBE WITH BARBARA AND JUST GO DOWN. AND IF ANYONE HAS ANY FINAL COM COMMENTS? >> I'M GOOD. >> ANYTHING FURTHER JERRY? >> STILL-- FROM MY TRIP. >> WHERE YOU DID GO? >> ITALY. AND I JUST LEARNED THAT ONE OF THE PLACES WE HUNG OUT IN. ANCIENT POUTIOLI HAS HAD A TREMENDOUS LANDSLIDE AND SOME PEOPLE HAVE BEEN KILLED AND CARS HAVE BEEN CRUSHED. SO-- I GUESS WE JUST GOT OUT OF THERE IN TIME. YEAH. ANYWAY. IT WAS FASCINATING TRIP AND VERY TAXING. I GUESS I'M GETTING-- FEELING MY YEARS LATELY. I THINK I'LL JUST GO ON CRUISES FROM NOW ON. >> ANYTHING ELSE? >> NO. JUST KATHY IF YOU NEED ANY HELP. YOU KNOW, PARTIAL OUT SOMETHING. I WOULD BE MORE THAN HAPPY. >> I ALWAYS CAN USE HELP. FNE. >> I'M NOT AS GOOD AS YOU. BUT I WOULD BE MORE THAN WILLING IF YOU WANT TO SAY HEY CAN YOU TAKE THIS AND DO A LITTLE RESEARCH OR WHATEVER? >> OH, ABSOLUTELY. I ALWAYS NEED HELP. ALWAYS. >> JUST LET ME KNOW. >> SO MY ONLY COMMENT IS I'VE BEEN ON THE BOARD NOW FOR ABOUT A YEAR. AND I'M REALLY STRUGGLING WITH THE FACT OF WHAT OUR OBJECTIVES ARE. I MEAN I PROVIDE A LOT OF UPDATES ABOUT WHAT WE'RE DOING. TRYING TO PRESERVE HISTORY THROUGH CEMETERY RESEARCH AND REPAIRS AND PRESERVATION AND THINGS OF THAT SORT. BUT-- OTHER THAN THAT, WHAT ARE OUR OBJECTIVES? I MEAN, WE CAN'T JUST BE ABOUT S SIZE. BECAUSE WE EVER SIGNS IN THE MIX THAT ARE EITHER WAITING FOR APPROVAL. HAD BEEN APPROVEED. WE DON'T HAVE THE BUDGET. SO-- WHAT IS IT THAT WE WANT TO ACCOMPLISH? WHAT DO WE WANT TO DO HERE? THAT'S WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE BOARD TALK ABOUT. WHAT DO YOU WANT TO SEE HAPPEN AS FAR AS PRESERVING HISTORY WITHIN OUR COUNTY. WHAT ARE SOME IDEAS. SPITBALL ABOUT-- YOU KNOW AREAS THAT WE CAN REALLY FOCUS ON. I MEAN I'M TRYING TO GET AS EVOLVED AS I CAN.VIOUSLY LIKE I ATTENDED WEB FOR THATS AT THE NATIONAL LEVEL TALKING ABOUT LEGISLATION. AND OTHER THINGS. BUT WHAT DO YOU WANT TO SEE HAPPEN? WHAT IS OUR FOCUS AS A PRESERVATION? BECAUSE I HAVE IT-- I HAVEN'T HEARD THAT. >> THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS I [00:30:01] WENT DOWN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT RABBIT HOLE TO SEE IF THAT MIGHT OPEN UP ANY AVENUES WHERE WE MIGHT BE HELPFUL. >> YEAH I THINK WE NEED TO BE VERY AWARE OF WHAT'S GOING ON AT THE COMMUNITY AND GOVERNMENT LEVEL. BOTH AT THE LOCAL, STATE AND FEDERAL LEVEL. ABOUT WHAT HISTORIC RESERVATION MEANS AND HOW IT AFFECTS US. AND SO I'M TRYING TO GET AS INVOLVED AS I CAN, BUT I'M NOT HEARING THAT YOU GUYS HAVE ANY IDEAS OR SUGGESTIONS ABOUT OTHER THINGS THAT WE NEED TO BE FOCUSING ON THIS YEAR. >> WELL I THINK AT THE LAST MEETING, I JUST QUICKLY LOOKED AT THE NOTES BECAUSE OF COURSE THEY ARE SUMMARIZEED. BUT I REMEMBER OUR NEW CHAIR SHAUN WAS TALKING ABOUT LET'S GET WORKING ON DOING HISTORIC DEVELOPMENT SYSTEMS. AND YOU SAID A FEW MORE THINGS. BUT-- I MEAN-- SO-- WE'LL HAVE TO LET HIM TELL US ABOUT IT NEXT MEETING. BECAUSE IT'S LIKE-- HE KIND OF WAS SAYING-- HE DIDN'T SAY WE'RE NOT GOING ANYWHERE. HE SAID THIS WAS WHERE I WANT TO GO WITH THIS BOARD. AND WHEN HE ACCEPTED THE POSITION. SO-- I THINK. IT'S ALREADY STARTED ROLLING. I THINK SO. >> AND WHAT ABOUT OUR SUGGESTION ABOUT MAKING RECOGNITIONS? THAT HASN'T BEEN TALKED ABOUT? WHERE ARE WE AT WITH THAT? >> WELL LAST TIME WHAT I REMEMBERING. A A NAME WAS BROUGHT UP BECAUSE WHAT THE FINAL THING WAS THAT WE WERE GOING TO VOTE THAT YES, WE WANT TO GIVE THIS OFFICIAL RECOGNITION. SO IF YOU DIDN'T PUT IT ON THE MENU, THE-- IF YOU CAN PUT IT ON TO TALK ABOUT IT, I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'LL HAVE TO DO BY NEXT TIME. TO COME IN AND SAY--. >> THAT I HAD TO BE APPROVEED? >> SO I REVIEWED THAT. AND I WAS LOOKING FOR HOW THAT WAS LEFT. AND IT WAS LEFT THAT YOU WOULD PROVIDE ME AN E-MAIL DESCRIBING THE PERSON THAT YOU WANTED TO RECOGNIZE. AND WHY. AND THEN THAT WOULD BE PUT ON THE AGENDA FOR YOU ALL TO REVIEW. AND DECIDE IF YOU AS A BOARD WANT TO RECOGNIZE THAT PERSON. >> OKAY. SO THAT'S AN ACTION ITEM FOR US FOR NEXT MONTH? THAT IF YOU HAVE SOMEBODY YOU WANT TO RECOGNIZE, YOU NEED TO SEND BETH AN E-MAIL ABOUT WHO YOU WANT TO RECOGNIZE. AND WHY? WHY IS THAT CORRECT? >> YES. BUT THEN ALSO WE'LL QUOTE AND SAY YES, WE WANT TO DO THAT. THAT WAS THE PIECE. >> AND AS MUCH DESCRIPTION AS YOU CAN, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE ALSO, ULTIMATELY OUR COMMUNICATIONS TEAM WOULD LIKE TO MAYBE RECOGNIZE AS WELL. SO THE MORE DETAILS THAT YOU CAN GIVE AS FAR AS YOU KNOW-- WHY YOU WANT TO NOMINATE THEM, THE BETTER. >> OKAY. >> ARE WE GOING TO DO A CERTIFICATE OF PAPER? WELL-- WE HAD THE CATEGORIES. THAT YOU WERE GOING TO CHOOSE FROM. AND SO IF YOU'LL LET ME KNOW WHICH CATEGORY YOU WANT. AND IF YOU NEED ME TO SEND THAT INFORMATION OUT BACK TO YOU AGAIN. >> THAT WOULD BE GREAT. >> SO I WILL SEND THAT OUT. >> THANK YOU. >> AND THEN YOU'LL FOLLOW UP AND WE'LL HAVE A CERTIFICATE OF RECOGNITION DESIGNED? OKAY. BECAUSE WE WANT TO MAKE SURE. >> SO NEXT MEETING WE'LL VOTE ON THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN NOMINATED. TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN? OKAY. >> AND THEN WOULD YOU BE RESPONSIBLE FOR CONTACTING THEM? OR WOULD YOU WANT ME TO CONTACT THEM? BECAUSE YOU KNOW-- ULTIMATELY WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THEY ARE AVAILABLE TO ATTEND THE MEETING AND SCHEDULE A TIME FOR THEM TO BE HERE. SO HOW WOULD YOU PREFER TO DO THAT? SINCE YOU ARE THE ONES THAT HAVE THE CONTACT WITH THEM, DO YOU WANT TO CONTACT? OR DO YOU WANT ME TO? >> I WOULD THINK WE COULD REACH OUT AND CONTACT AND THEN HAVE THEM VERIFY WITH YOU THAT THEY ARE GOING TO BE HERE. >> THAT'S FINE. >> ALL RIGHT IT ALMOST SOUNDS LIKE WE MIGHT NEED A BREAKOUT TO WORK WITH SHAUN TO COME UP WITH IDEAS FOR DIRECTION. YOU KNOW HAVE A COMMITTEE. >> THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE A SPECIAL DATE AND TIME OUTSIDE OF THE MEETING TO DO. >> AND THEN PRESENT THAT TO THE REST OF THE BOARD LIKE HERE'S SOME IDEAS FOR US TO ALSO MOVE FORWARD WITH. >> IS IT JUST THE TWO OF YOU? OR WOULD IT BE ALL OF YOU? IF YOU ALL BRING YOUR IDEAS BACK? >> GOOD QUESTION. I WAS JUST THINKING IN THIS CONTEXT WITH THIS MANY PEOPLE IN OUR LIMITED TIME HERE, IT'S HARD TO REALLY GENERATE SOME THOUGHTS AND GO WITH THEM. SO JUST THINKING THE COMMITTEE OF WHOEVER WOULD WANT TO BE ON IT WITH OUR CHAIR TO THEN GET SOME DIRECTION AND BRING IT BACK. BUT JUST A THOUGHT. >> YEP, WE CAN CERTAINLY SET UP A SUB COMMITTEE. WE HAVE TO FIND A LOCATION AND ADVERTISE IT AND ALL THAT STUFF. YEAH. SO IT'S OKAY. WE CAN DO THAT. >> THIS ONE IS TO HAVE SOME [00:35:01] FOCUS. BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE WE TALK ABOUT THE MARKERS AND WE GIVE THE CEMETERY UPDATE AND IT'S LIKE-- OKAY BUT WHAT'S THE BIG PIC PICTURE? WHAT ARE WE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH THIS YEAR? BECAUSE WE REALLY DON'T HAVE A BUDGET FOR MORE MARKERS, RIGHT? AND YOU KNOW, THE ONLY ONE I'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT WE HAVEN'T GOT ON THE LIST IS THE BURNING CEMETERY. BUT I'M REALLY WAITING ON THE STATE HISTORICAL COMMISSION BEFORE WE DO ANYTHING WITH THAT. >> YEAH AND AS FOR A BUDGET WHAT IS OURER FISCAL YEAR. WHEN WE START BACK UP? >> IT STARTS OCTOBER 1 AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE BUDGET SLATED FOR NEXT YEAR. WE ARE IN A VERY LEAN YEAR COMING. SO WE NEED TO MAKE SURE AT LEAST WE HAVE THESE MARKERS COVERED THAT WE SUBMITTED TO THIS STATE SO THAT WE HAVE TO--. >> BUT EVEN COUNTY MARKERS WOULD BE LESS EXPENSIVE RIGHT? SO IT WAS INTERESTING. THE MIDDLEBURG MUSEUM. THEY DIDN'T EVEN KNOW IT WAS GOING UP. IT WAS LIKE OOH-- IT JUST SHOWED UP. AND IT WAS GREAT. AND BECAUSE THEY ARE OWNED BY THE COUNTY. THE COUNTY PAID FOR IT. BUT IT WAS KIND OF LOOK OH HERE IT IS. BUT IT LOOKS ABSOLUTELY BEAUTIFUL. AND YOU KNOW SO THEY ARE VERY HAPPY ABOUT IT. BUT EVEN IF WE CAN DO A COUNTY MARKER FOR SOMETHING, THAT WOULD BE AWESOME. OH-- I WANTED TO-- JERRY, YOU REMEMBER YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THAT ONE THAT WAS OVER BY ON 1. >> OH, YES. IT KEEPS APPEARING AND DISAPPEARING. >> IT'S THERE. BECAUSE I'VE LOOKED FOR IT. WHEN YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT. IT IS THERE. TO THE FORT HEILMAN MARKER IS REALLY BIZARRE. WHY IS IT RIGHT THERE-- YEAH. ON 21 AND THERE'S VEGETATION THAT WAS COVERING IT UP. WHY ISN'T IT DOWN BY THE BOAT RAMP WHERE FORT HEILMAN SHOULD BE? >> RIGHT. WELL, I WAS THE ONLY ONE WHO SEEMED TO BE WORRIED ABOUT THAT. SO I DON'T KNOW. >> I SAW IT AND WAS LIKE OH, THERE IT IS. >> BECAUSE IT USED TO BE NEAR MAIN STREET ENTRANCE WHICH IS MORE APPROPRIATE. >> AND THE VEGETATION HAS TAKEN IT OVER. IT'S REALLY HARD. HOW DIFFICULT WOULD IT BE TO RELOCATE IT TO WHERE IT NEEDS TO BE. IT'S JUST IN A WEIRD PLACE. >> ACTUALLY SOMEBODY WOULD KIND OF RUN OVER IT AND DETROIT WE COULD START OVER. >> JERRY, DON'T SAVE THAT. BUT IT'S NOT IN THE RIGHT PLACE. AND GOING DOWN I REMEMBER YOU TALKING ABOUT IT. YOU CAN'T HARDLY SEE IT IN THE VEGETATION AROUND IT. THAT'S NOT WHERE IT SHOULD BE ANYWAY. SO IT WOULD E INTERESTING TO KNOW WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO LOCATE IT TO WHERE IT REALLY SHOULD BE. >> DO WE HAVE SOME DOCUMENTATION HISTORICALLY TYING IT TO? CAN WE FIND THAT INFORMATION? I CAN VERIFY WHY-- WHAT WAS SUBMITTED TO THE STATE. WE CAN LOOK AT MARKER DATA. >> YEAH THAT WOULD BE GOOD. AND I CAN PROBABLY FIND DATA THAT SHOWS. I MEAN-- OBVIOUSLY FORT HEILMAN WAS RIGHT ACROSS BLACK CREEK. IT WASN'T WHERE BLANDING IS. IT WAS RIGHT ACROSS BLACK CREEK. ACROSS FROM GAREY'S FERRY. >> MOST OF IT WAS BETWEEN FORKS. ON NORTH ACROSS THEY WANTED TO KEEP PEOPLE FROM BLOWING UP. AND THOUGH HAD SOME DRAGOON UNITS STATIONED OVER THERE. SINCE WE'VE BEEN ON A CEMETERY JAG, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF SOMEBODY HASN'T ALREADY DONE IT, A MARKER FOR THE WHITESVILLE CEMETERY. [00:40:19] TO WHITESVILLE. I DON'T HAVE ONE LISTED AS WHITESVILLE. I HAVE ONE THAT'S-- OH WHAT IS HIS NAME? CAN'T THINK OF WHAT IT IS NOW. OZIAHS BUNKINGTON. YES. HIS CEMETERY IS OVER THERE. BUT I DON'T HAVE ONE LISTED SEPARATELY AS WHITESVILLE CEMETERY. >> OH BUT IT IS. IT'S A LITTLE BIT TUCK AID WAY BUT NOT VERY FAR. AND THE ACTUAL GRAVES SEEM TO BE ON PRIVATE PROPERTY BUT THE OWNERS ARE FRIENDLY. I DON'T KNOW-- THEY ARE INTERESTED IN IT. SO IF WE HAVE ANY. >> WHERE ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT JERRY. BECAUSE I'VE BEEN TO ALL THOSE SEMITERREIES OVER THERE IN MIDDLEBURG. >> OKAY. SO -- YOU'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT BUDDINGTON. >> OZIAS BUDDINGTON AND HIS ASSOCIATES. THAT'S WHAT I MEAN. >> OH YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT BUDDINGTON CEMETERY? >> IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT TO CALL IT, YEAH. >> YEAH. IT'S ON-- WELL. IT'S NEXT TO PRIVATE PROPERTY. THE LAIDTHY OWNS THE PROPERTY NEXT TO IT. WILL TELL YOU SHE DOES NOT OWN THE PROPERTY OF THE CEMETERY. RIGHT OVER OFF THE ROAD. >> WELL THERE'S TWO PEOPLE THAT CAME OUT. A COUPLE YEARS AGO. SAYS THEY ARE THE OWNERS. AND IT'S THEIRS. BUT THEY DON'T MIND PEOPLE LOOKING AROUND. >> ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT BUDDINGTON? YEAH. I TALKED TO THE LADY LAST YEAR. PART OF THAT IS SO WE COULD PUT UP A MARKER. SOME NOT SO FAMOUS BUT TRAGIC ARE BURIED THERE TOO. >> NOT VERY BIG. >> HOW MANY MONUMENTS? >> 20. AND IT'S FENCED IN. OSIASHS BUDDINGTON WAS VERY-- I SEE HIS NAME ON A LOT OF PRO BAIT RECORDS. AND A LOT OF OTHER STUFF. >> TFRS COUNTY JUDGE FOR AWHILE. >> THERE YOU GO. WHEN WE WENT OUT THERE LAST YEAR. WE WENT OUT AND GOT IT REGISTERED WITH THE STATE. YEAH. >> ALL RIGHT. ANYTHING ELSE? WE WILL ADJOURN. * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.