Jan 14, 2020 BCC Agenda

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GOOD AFTERNOON LADIES AND GENTLEMEN WE'LL START BY ASKING OUR VICE CHAIR MS. HUTCHINSON TO

GIVE THE INVOCATION FOR US. >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: ALMIGHTY GOD WE COME BEFORE YOU THIS AFTERNOON WITH THANKSGIVING IN OUR HEART THAT YOU BLESSED US TO ALLOW US TO BE BORN IN THE GREATEST NATION ON THE PLANET. WE THANK YOU FATHER GOD FOR THOSE THAT HAVE STOOD THE WATCH AND CONTINUE TO STAND THE WATCH OVER OUR MOST PRECIOUS RESOURCE HERE IN AMERICA, OUR FREEDOM.

WE ASK, FATHER, THAT YOU WATCH OVER OUR FIRST RESPONDERS AND, LORD, THAT YOU WOULD ENSURE SAFETY TO EVERYONE THAT'S WILLING TO LAY DOWN THEIR LIFE FOR THEIR BROTHER. THANK YOU FATHER FOR THE GREAT COUNTY OF CLAY COUNTY AND FOR THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE ELECTED US TO SERVE ON THEIR BEHALF. I PRAY THAT OUR INTENTIONS TODAY WOULD BE TO FOLLOW YOUR WISDOM AND TO MAKE THE BEST DECISIONS THAT WOULD BENEFIT ALL THE CITIZENS OF THE COUNTY. I ASK THESE THINGS IN

JESUS'S NAME, AMEN. >> CHAIRMAN: AT THIS POINT AND TIME WHILE WE'RE STILL STANDING I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A QUICK INTRODUCTION OF A GOOD FRIEND OF MINE AND ALL OF CLAY COUNTIES.

HE IS PART OF OUR VETERANS PROGRAM. THEY COME AND DO THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. AT THIS POINT AND TIME I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE GARY NEWMAN. GOOD TO HAVE YOU HERE. HE IS A RETIRED U.S. NAVY VETERAN OF 20 YEARS, A MASTER OF ARMS CHIEF PETTY OFFICER, VIETNAM SERVICE, ONE OF THE FEW TO MAN A PT BOAT IN THE MAY CONN DELTA DURING ACTUAL LIVE FIRE. WE'RE GLAD TO HAVE HIM HERE TONIGHT. AFTER HE RETIRED HE WAS CLAY COUNTY DEPUTY SHERIFF AND INVESTIGATOR, CHIEF OF POLICE OF NAVAL AIR STATION AND DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF SECURITY AT NAS. HE IS THE FOUNDER OF THE VIETNAM AMERICANS CHAPTER 1059. SERVED AS PRESIDENT FOR SIX YEARS.

COMMITTED FOR THE BUILDING OF THE TAPS MONUMENT. A BOARD MEMBER OF THE VETERANS HALL OF FAME SOCIETY. AND 2018 INDUCTEE TO THE FLORIDA VETERANS HALL OF FAME. AND I'D READ ALL THIS OTHER STUFF BUT WE GOT TO GET HOME AND GET SUPPER TONIGHT. I DID NOTE HE SERVED ON SEVEN DES DESTROYERS. THAT SHOULD QUALIFY YOU TO LEAD THE PLEDGE. IF YOU WOULD STEP UP TO THE MIC WE'D BE

GLAD TO HAVE YOU. >> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: WHEN I WAS TEACHING CIVICS HE WAS ONE

OF MY STUDENTS FAVORITE SPEAKERS. >> CHAIRMAN: THAT IS A GREAT

ACCOLADE. >> SPEAKER: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. BEFORE WE GET STARTED, I'D LIKE TO JUST SAY A COUPLE WORDS. IT WAS 61 YEARS AGO I TURNED 17. AT AGE 17-AND-A-HALF WAS MY FIRST TIME THAT I HAD THE HONOR OF SAYING THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE TO MY COUNTRY. WHEN IT REALLY MEANT SOMETHING. OVER THE YEARS, I'VE SAILED UNDER THAT FLAG IN BOTH THE PACIFIC AND THE ATLANTIC OCEANS. I WAS IN COMBAT UNDERNEATH THAT FLAG SOMETIME ALMOST BELT BUCKLE TO BELT BUCKLE WITH THE ENEMY, BUT THAT FLAG WAS ALWAYS THERE. IT'S MEANT A LOT TO ME AND RECENTLY IT BROUGHT A TEAR TO MY EYE WHEN I WATCHED THE FILM MADE OF HONG KONG WHICH WAS ONCE A BRITISH TERRITORY AND ALL OF THE RIOTS THAT ARE GOING ON THERE FOR FREEDOM. THEY WEREN'T WAVING A CHINESE FLAG. THEY WEREN'T WAVING A BRITISH FLAG. THEY WERE WAVING OLD GLORY AS THEY WENT THROUGH THE STREETS FIGHTING FOR FREEDOM. THAT HAS GOT TO SAY A LOT ABOUT OUR COUNTRY AND OUR FLAG. WILL YOU PLEASE JOIN ME IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE IF WOULD YOU PRESENT GARY WITH OUR CERTIFICATE OF APPRECIATION. YOU MAY BE SEATED, FOLKS. AND I'LL JUST SAY ON GARY'S BEHALF, HE DIDN'T SAY THIS, BUT I KNOW IT'S IN HIS HEART, IF YOU GOT ANYBODY OUT THERE THAT DOESN'T LIKE THE AMERICAN FLAG, CALL HIM, HE'LL GO OVER AND PERSONALLY HELP THEM PACK [LAUGHTER] OKAY. MEETING IS NOW CALLED TO

[CALL TO ORDER]

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BEFORE. YOU WERE CHAIRMAN BEFORE >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: TWICE.

>> CHAIRMAN: NO BETTER PERSON TO HAVE THEN. THE MEETING IS NOW CALLED TO ORDER. LET THE RECORD REFLECT WE HAVE ALL FIVE COMMISSIONERS IN ATTENDANCE. SO, WE'LL NOW TURN TO

[A MOMENT IN HISTORY]

COMMISSIONER GAVIN ROLLINS FOR A MOMENT IN HISTORY. GAVIN? >> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: THERE'S A COUPLE THINGS THAT HAPPENED. I'LL JUST HIGHLIGHT TWO OF THEM. THE EXECUTIVE ORDER 9066 HAPPENED ON THIS DAY IN 1942. WHAT THAT WAS IS PRESIDENT ROOSEVELT ORDERED THE INTERNMENT OF JAPANESE AMERICANS. THERE WERE FEARS THAT JAPANESE AMERICANS MIGHT NOT BE LOYAL BASED ON THE PEARL HARBOR ATTACKS. IT IS A SAD CHAPTER IN OUR COUNTRY BUT ALSO A STORY OF HOW OUR COUNTRY OVERCOMES SOME OF THE THINGS WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST. IF YOU GO TO WASHINGTON, D.C. TODAY THERE'S ACTUALLY A MEMORIAL TO THOSE WHO WERE INTERNED AND THEY RECEIVED AN OFFICIAL APOLOGY AFTER THE FACT. CONGRESS ISSUING AN OFFICIAL APOLOGY. IT WAS NOT THE SAME AS A CONCENTRATION CAMP BUT IT WAS DEFINITELY SOMETHING THAT I THINK WE ALL AS AMERICANS CAN AGREE WAS NOT ONE OF OUR FINER MOMENTS. THIS DAY IN HISTORY WE ALSO HAD THE LOCKNESS MONSTER WAS FIRST CLAIMED TO HAVE BEEN SIGHTED WHETHER YOU BELIEVE THAT IS TRUE OR NOT ON A LIGHTER NOTE. BUT NO DOGS WERE BLOWN UP IN ANY MILITARY EXERCISES ON THIS DAY. I TRIED TO FIND THEM BUT I COULDN'T COMMISSIONER HENDRY, OR CHAIRMAN.

>> CHAIRMAN: THANK YOU, GAVIN. MOVING ON TO THE ARTWORK. MIDDLEBURG AND S. BRAND JENNINGS

[ARTWORK]

ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS. >> SPEAKER: WE HAVE FIVE PIECES OF ART FROM S. BRIEANT JENNINGS -- BRYANT JENNINGS ELEMENTARY SCHOOL. THE ART EDUCATOR RHONDA WILSON WILLIAMS. THE FIRST PIECE IS BY BRADEN HOUSTON. IT'S MIXED MEDIA. HE IS IN SECOND GRADE. THE SECOND PIECE IS BY ME WYN WATER COLOR. BENJAMIN WATER COLOR, THIRD GRADE. AND PHILLIP MASCOT, MIXED MEDIA, SECOND GRADE. WE NOW HAVE FIVE PIECES OF ART FROM MIDDLEBURG ELEMENTARY SCHOOL WHERE BECKY WILKERSON IS THE PRINCIPAL AND DONNA IS THE TEACHER OF ART. FIRST PIECE -- ALL OF THESE PIECES ARE ACTUALLY SYMMETRICAL 3D PAPER ART CREATED WITH CUT PAPER. FIRST ONE IS BY ANDREW BALDWIN WHO IS IN FOURTH GRADE. NEXT WE HAVE JESSE HAYES WHO IS IN FOURTH GRADE. KEVIN ZOLLA WHO IS IN FOURTH GRADE. PAGE KING WHO IS IN FOURTH GRADE. AND THE LAST PIECE IS BY REILLY CAMPBELL WHO IS ALSO IN FOURTH GRADE. THANK YOU THAT'S OUR ART WORK FOR TODAY.

>> CHAIRMAN: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. NEXT ITEM IS PET ADOPTIONS. HAVE WE GOT SOMEBODY

[PET ADOPTIONS]

FROM THE ANIMAL SHELTER? >> NO, IT'S ME. OKAY. WE HAVE THREE ADOPTABLE ANIMALS TODAY. THE FIRST ONE IS DUNN. DUNN IS A THREE-YEAR-OLD MALE MIXED BREED. YES HE IS AS HANDSOME IN PERSON. DUNN IS STILL LOOKING FOR HIS PERFECT FAMILY. DOG FRIENDLY PLEASE.

DUNN HAS DONE WELL LEARNING BASIC COMMANDS FROM SHELTER STAFF AND VOLUNTEERS. HE IS HEART WORM POSITIVE AND STARTING HIS TREATMENTS THAN SPONSORED BY THE FRIENDS OF CLAY COUNTY ANIMALS. NEXT WE HAVE A CAT WHOSE NAME IS JASMINE. JASMINE'S A FEMALE SPAYED THREE-YEAR-OLD DOMESTIC SHORT HAIR. JASMINE CAN BE QUITE SHY, PREFERS TO HIDE WHEN THE HOUSEHOLD IS LOUD AND ACTIVE. JASMINE WOULD DO BETTER IN ALL ADULT HOUSEHOLD THAT IS CALM AND QUIET. SHE LOVES ATTENTION FROM STAFF AND VOLUNTEERS AND DOESN'T MIND TALKING TO YOU ABOUT IT.

JASMINE'S UP TO DATE ON ALL HER AGE APPROPRIATE VACCINES AND IS MICRO CHIPPED. THEN WE HAVE RADAR. RADAR IS A NEUTERED MALE, THREE-YEAR-OLD MIXED BREED. DUE TO FAMILY DYNAMICS CHANGING AND THROUGH NO FAULT OF HIS OWN, RADAR WAS SURRENDERED BACK TO THE ANIMAL SHELTER. HE

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FOR TODAY. >> CHAIRMAN: VERY NICE. THANK YOU. WE'RE DOWN TO

[SPECIAL STAFF RECOGNITION]

ALTHOUGH YOU DO LOOK TOO YOUNG TO RETIRE. >> THANK YOU [LAUGHTER] IT'S MY PROOF LEDGE TO CONGRATULATE LIZ. SHE JOINED US IN 2001. SHE IS A RECYCLING OPERATOR AND SHE'S DONE MANY THINGS FOR US. SHE SORTED AND BAILED RECYCLABLES COMING FROM ALL OF OUR HOMES FOR A NUMBER YEARS. SHE SERVED THE PUBLIC AT DOCTOR'S INLET AND LAUREL BAY COLLECTION CENTERS. AND SHE IS A WEEKLY FACE TO A LOT OF COUNTY STAFF IN MULTIPLE COUNTY FACILITIES AS SHE PICKS UP RECYCLING AS PART OF OUR COUNTY RECYCLING PROGRAM. WE JUST WANT TO WISH YOU THE BEST AND CONGRATULATE YOU. YOU WILL BE MISSED BY YOUR CO-WORKERS AND SUPERVISORS. I KNOW LIZ IS LOOKING FORWARD TO HAVING FREE TIME TO TRAVEL AND SHE IS VERY ACTIVE AND WANTS TO DO THAT. BUT, YOU KNOW, PER YOUR DIRECT SUPERVISOR WE'LL ESPECIALLY MISS YOUR CUPCAKES. SHE'S QUITE A BAKER AND SHE HAS REALLY SPOILED STAFF OVER THE YEARS. SO, WITH THAT, IT'S MY HONOR TO PRESENT YOU WITH THIS CLAY COUNTY BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS RECOGNIZES ELIZABETH BENNETT IN APPRECIATION OF YOU DEDICATED SERVICES. BEST WISHES ON YOUR RETIREMENT JANUARY OF 2020. [APPLAUSE]

>> CHAIRMAN: THIS IS AN ITEM WE PUT ON THE AGENDA LATE BUT THOUGHT IT NOTE WORTHY. THE CLAY COUNTY POLICE ACTIVITY LEAGUE OPERATES IN ARE THE AUSPICES OF THE CLAY COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE. THEY OFFER FOOTBALL, BASEBALL, CHEER, YOUTH SPORTS. CLAY POWELL IS FUNDRAISING EFFORTS AND THROUGH ITS VOLUNTEER SUPPORT OPERATE A CHEERLEADING PROGRAM THAT IS OPEN TO ANY CHILD IN CLAY COUNTY. IT ALSO BY DOING THIS PROMOTES PERSONAL GROWTH AND TEAMWORK FOR THOSE PARTICIPANTS. RIGHT NOW THEY HAVE 47 YOUNG LADIES THAT ARE IN THE CHEER PROGRAM. DURING 2019, THE CHEER SEASON, CLAY POWELL JOINED A NEW CONFERENCE, NORTH FLORIDA YOUTH CHAIR CONFERENCE. MAJOR BENEFITS ALLOWED THE PROGRAM TO EXPAND ITS AGE AND APPRECIATION FROM 3 TO 18 AND INCORPORATED NEW COMPETITION TRAINING OPPORTUNITIES. CLAY POWELL CHEER EMBRACED THE NEW OPPORTUNITIES UNDER THE LEADERSHIP AND DEDICATION OF COACHES AND THE SUPPORT OF THE CLAY POWELL ADMINISTRATION. THE FOUR TEAMS HAD A GREAT TIME WITH SIDELINE CHEER DURING OUR FOOTBALL SEASON. IN ADDITION AN OUTSTANDING SHOWING AT THE CONFERENCE CHEER COMPETITION THIS PAST NOVEMBER AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE TO REALLY HONOR AND RECOGNIZE THIS AFTERNOON. THE 18 AND UP TEAM PLACED SECOND IN THEIR CATEGORY. BOTH OF THE

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LISA. AND THE TINY CHEER TEAM, JENNIFER LA PONTE ACCOMPANIED BY HER DAUGHTER BRIELLE. >> SPEAKER: I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THANK YOU TO THE ORGANIZATION AND THE COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE FOR SUPPORTING US. WE HOPE TO HAVE ANOTHER OUTSTANDING SEASON THIS YEAR.

>> CHAIRMAN: I'M SURE YOU WILL. >> I WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU TO MY COACHES HERE. THEY PUT IN AN UNREASONABLE AMOUNT OF TIME. MS. PAM FOR TAKING CARE OF ORGANIZING EVERYTHING AND HAVING TO PUT UP WITH ME. AND TO THE COUNTY COMMISSION FOR YOUR SUPPORT IN ONGOING EFFORTS TO KEEP US GOING. WE HAVE A RESOLUTION WHICH WE DO ANNUALLY. I'M PROUD TO DO IT. BEING PRESENTED BY COMMISSIONER WAYNE BOLLA AND IT IS IN RECOGNITION OF MARTIN LUTHER KING DAY

CELEBRATION IN GREEN COVE. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: WHERE ADS OVER HALF A CENTURY AGO OUR NATION WAS MOVED BY A YOUNG PREACHER WHO CALLED A GENERATION TO ACTION AND BECAME A CATALYST FOR SOCIAL CHANGE. AND WHEREAS THE REVEREND DR. MARTIN LUTHER KING, JR. BELIEVED THAT ALL PEOPLE ARE MADE IN GOD'S IMAGE AND CREATED EQUAL AND DEVOTED HIS LIFE TO THE STRUGGLE FOR EQUALITY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL AMERICANS. AND WHEREAS DR. KING ADVOCATED NONVIOLENT ACTIONS AS A MEANS TO OVERCOME RACISM IN AMERICA AND LED THE EFFORT THAT RESULTED IN THE CIVIL RIGHTS ACT OF 1964 AND THE VOTING RIGHTS ACT OF 1965 THAT GUARANTEED ALL CITIZENS THE RIGHT TO VOTE REGARDLESS OF RACE. AND WHEREAS, DR. KING DEDICATED HIS LIFE TO EMPOWERING PEOPLE AND CHANGING THEM TO LIFT UP THEIR NEIGHBORS AND COMMUNITIES BEFORE TRAGICALLY BEING ASSASSINATED 50 YEARS AGO. AND WHEREAS THE COMMEMORATION OF DR. KING'S LEGACY SHOULD NOT ONLY BE A

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DULY ADOPTED BY THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS CLAY COUNTY FLORIDA THIS 14TH DAY OF JANUARY 2020. DO I HAVE A -- ALL THOSE IN FAVOR. AGAINST. PASSES. WHAT DO WE DO?

>> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYONE TO RECEIVE THIS TONIGHT FROM THE COMMITTEE.

SO, IF ANY ONE OF OUR COMMISSIONERS ARE GOING DOWN THERE ON MONDAY IF YOU COULD VOLUNTEER TO TAKE IT DOWN AND PRESENT IT TO WHOEVER WOULD BE MOST -- WHOEVER THE RECIPIENT WOULD BE. ARE ONE OF YOU GOING? OKAY, MIKE, IF YOU CAN TAKE CARE OF THAT. THEY'RE HAVING A GET TOGETHER OVER AT VERA FRANCES HALL PARK MONDAY WHICH IS MLD KAY FROM 11 TO 1. IT SAYS LUNCH IS PROVIDED. SO, THEY'LL HAVE SPEAKERS AND PROBABLY EDUCATIONAL ACTIVITIES AND THEN DON'T FORGET THE LUNCH. SO, YOU CAN JUST SHOW UP ON YOUR OWN I GUESS YOU DON'T NEED TO RSVP THIS OESHTSDZ EVENT WAS SO INSIGNIFICANT I COMPLETELY FORGOT IT. BUT, MIKE, COME ON BACK DOWN, BROTHER [LAUGHTER] IT IS A TRADITION WITH THE BCC AND MOST ORGANIZATIONS THAT WE HONOR THE MAN OR WOMAN WHO HAS LED US OVER THE 12 MONTHS. AND MIKE CELLA A FRIEND TO ALL OF US HAS BEEN OUR CHAIRMAN. FOR THAT WE WANT TO GIVE HIM A GRACIOUS THANKS. AS PART OF THAT PRESENT HIM WITH A PLAQUE FOR HIS STALWART SERVICE. A GREAT INSPIRATION AND KEEPING EVERYBODY IN LINE, ESPECIALLY ME. SO, MIKE, I WANT TO PRESENT YOU WITH THIS. I WAS KIDDING EARLIER ABOUT THE SIGNIFICANCE OF IT, BROTHER [LAUGHTER] IT READS... PRESIDENTED TO MIKE CELLA IN APPRECIATION OF YOUR SERVICE AND LEADERSHIP AS 2019/20 CHAIRMAN CLAY COUNTY BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS CLAY COUNTY FLORIDA. AND IT'S INSCRIBED WITH THE NAMES OF YOUR FOUR PEER GROUPS. SO, LET'S

GIVE MIKE A THANKS IF YOU WOULD. [APPLAUSE] >> COMMISSIONER CELLA: I'M RATHER SHY TO I'LL KEEP THE REMARKS SHORT. THANKS VERY MUCH. I APPRECIATE IT. IT'S ALWAYS A GREAT HONOR WHEN YOU ARE RECOGNIZED BY YOUR COLLEAGUES AND ESPECIALLY TO BE VOTED AS CHAIR. IT'S AN HONOR AND IT IS A RESPONSIBILITY I TOOK SERIOUSLY AND HAD A GREAT YEAR. AND I HOPE I SOFTENED THEM UP FOR THIS COMING YEAR. THERE YOU GO.

>> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: THANK YOU, MIKE. WE WILL START OUT WITH A COUPLE PRESENTATIONS. THE FIRST

[PRESENTATIONS]

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>> SPEAKER: 1516 PLAIN FIELD AVENUE ORANGE PARK. A LITTLE BIT ABOUT ME FIRST. I'M FROM MELBOURNE, AUSTRALIA WHERE I DESIGNED MY FIST THREE TRAILS AND I'VE HAD 46 YEARS OF TRAFFIC ENGINEERING EXPERIENCE IN FOUR COUNTRIES AND SPECIALIZED IN ROUNDABOUTS AND PEOPLE FRIENDLY DESIGN. SO, WHEN CONNIE THOMAS WAS ELECTED MAYOR SHE -- NEXT -- HOW DO I CHANGE?

>> I CAN DO IT FOR YOU. >> SPEAKER: I'D PREFER CONTROL. THANK YOU.

>> NOT A PROBLEM. >> SPEAKER: ALL RIGHT. YOU DO IT THEN. OKAY. SO, CONNIE ASKED ME TO LOOK AT THE TPO PLAN FOR THE TRAILS THROUGH ORANGE PARK. WHEN I LOOKED AT IT, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE IT WAS DANGEROUS, IT WAS NOISY, REQUIRES QUITE A BIT OF RIGHT-OF-WAY AND HENCE A LOT OF BUSINESS IMPACT. I WENT AHEAD AND REDESIGNED IT. AND BASICALLY WHAT I TOOK WAS THE BLACK CREEK TRAIL STATS AT THE BOTTOM AND GOES -- STARTS AT THE BOTTOM AND GOES UP TO JOHNSON SLOUGH WHERE I RECOMMENDED SUSPENSION BRIDGE RATHER THAN JUST A BOXY TYPE THING. AND THEN IT GOES THROUGH THE OUTSIDE OF THE ST. VINCENT'S MEDICAL CENTER ALONG MILWAUKEE AVENUE.

BY THE WAY, SINCE BRADLEY PARK IS NOW OPEN, THE TRAIL USERS ARE GOING TO HAVE A SIMPLE ACCESS DOWN TO BRADLEY PARK. IT GOES DOWN TO DOGWOOD LANE AND UP DOINGWOOD TO DUCHESS LAKE DRIVE WHERE I'M RECOMMENDING A PEDESTRIAN CROSSING SO IT CONNECTS TO THE DOCTOR'S LAKE TRIAL. NOW WE'VE GOT TWO TRAILS COMING TOGETHER. IT GOES ALONG ACROSS KINSLEY UP ALONG THE RAILROAD TRACKS TO WELLS ROAD. THE CRITICAL PART OF THIS TRAIL WAS GETTING APPROVAL FOR ST. VINCENT'S TO GIVE US THAT EASEMENT THROUGH THEIR PROPERTY. I FOUND OUT THAT A CEO WAS BILL MAY HER. I INVITED HIM AND PRESENTED THAT TO HIM. EIGHT DAYS LATER I GOT AN EMAIL SAYING THAT ST. VINCENT'S BOARD HAD UNANIMOUSLY APPROVED THE 20 FOOT RIGHT-OF-WAY THROUGH THEIR PROPERTY. AND THAT'S WHAT MADE THE TRAIL FEASIBLE. SO WE OWE A LOT OF GRATITUDE TO THEM. THAT TRAIL THEN CONTINUES UP ALL THE WAY TO WELLS ROAD. BUT ALONG THE WAY THERE'S A WATER RETENTION POND THAT THE TOWN OWNS. SO, I RECOMMENDED THAT WE PUT A TRAIL AROUND THAT LAKE WHICH IS QUITE A LARGE LAKE, ADD RESTROOM RING BENCHES AND SO FORTH, SO WE HAVE A WAY STOP FOR PEOPLE ON THE TRAIL. THEN AT WELLS ROAD WE THEN MEET THE SECTION THAT IS GOING TO BE OWNED BY THE CLAY COUNTY COMMISSION. IT'S 450 FEET OF THE TRAIL OF YOURS. AND THEN SO YOU SEE THE RED SECTIONS BETWEEN WELLS ROAD AND 295. THE NEXT SECTION IS OWNED BY THE D.O.T.

AS WE GO UNDER 295. SO, RIGHT NOW WE'VE GOT THREE GOVERNMENT ENTITIES THAT ARE INVOLVED WITH THE TRAIL. THEN THE TRAIL GOES UP TO COLLINS ROAD, ALONG COLLINS ROAD, 17, AND THEN GOES ALL THE WAY UP TO NAS-JACKSONVILLE. THAT'S THE FOURTH GOVERNMENT ENTITY. NAS JAX WE HAVE ACROSS THE 17 AND GOES ALL THE WAY INTO NAS JAX TO THE SECURITY GATE. ONE GOOD THING OUT OF THIS IS THE CAPTAIN WANTS THIS TRAIL SO HIS STAFF CAN BICYCLE TO WORK AND CUT DOWN ON CONGESTION. SO, THEY'VE AGREED WHOEVER IS BUILDING THE TRAIL CAN COME ON TO FEDERAL LANDS AND DO THE WORK THERE RATHER THAN GETTING A SEPARATE CONTRACTOR. SO THAT'S THE FIFTH GOVERNMENT ENTITY INVOLVED IN THIS TRAIL. SO WHAT WE HAVE IS A BLACK CREEK TRAIL IN PURPLE THAT IS 8.3 MILES LONG. THE AREA GOES THROUGH THE TOWN OF ORANGE PARK. THE PURPLE IS CLAY COUNTY. THE YELLOW IS CITY OF JACKSONVILLE AND THE BLUE IS NAS-JAX. SO, OVERALL THIS PROJECT IS ON THE SECOND IMAGE WHERE IT STARTS AT THE END OF THE EXISTING BLACK CREEK TRAIL

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AND AS FAR AS SOMETIMES IT'S PRETTY TIGHT. YOU CAN SEE THERE THAT PARTRIDGE FENCE IS THERE AND THEN YOU'VE GOT THE CSX RIGHT-OF-WAY. AND WE PROBABLY GOT JUST ENOUGH SPACE FOR A TEN FOOT TRAIL TO GO EH THROUGH THIS. BE UP AGAINST THE FENCE LINE. ON THE RIGHT IS THAT AREA AT 600 WELLS ROAD THAT IS BEEN CLEARED FOR A LONG TIME TO KEEP THE TREES AWAY FROM THE TRANSMISSION LINES. SO, I BELIEVE THAT SHOULD BE FAIRLY EASY TO GET A TRAIL THROUGH THERE. SO, AT THIS CURRENT, I HAVE AGREEMENTS FROM CAPTAIN WITH NAS-JAX HE REALLY WANTS THIS FOR HIS STAFF. BECAUSE OF HIS SUPPORT I'VE CHANGED THE WORDING FROM A RECREATION TRAIL TO A TRANSPORTATION/RECREATIONAL TRAIL BECAUSE OF HIS NEED FOR HIS STAFF. AND THAT OPENS UP THE PARK TO A LOT MORE MONEY THAT COULD BE ATTAINED FOR IT. I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE CITY OF JACKSONVILLE BRIAN BIRKETT. I'M MEETING WITH ONE OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS NEXT WEEK TO GET ON THE ASCOMBREPDA AT THE CITY OF JACKSONVILLE TO GET THEIR ENDORSEMENT FOR THE TRAIL. I SHOULD GET THE ENDORSEMENT OF THE TOWN NEXT TUESDAY. AND THEN OBVIOUSLY YOU ARE THE LAST ONE BUT THE FIRST RIGHT TO GIVE FORMAL APPROVAL IF YOU DO WISH TO DO SO. SO THE NEXT STEPS ARE GETTING THE MONEY. THERE'S A FEW LITTLE THINGS I'VE GOT TO TIDY UP FIRST, BUT TALKING TO THE D.O.T., JIM KNIGHT, IT WAS LIKE 8-10 MILLION TO GO UNDER 295 AND 8-10 MILLION TO GO ALONG U.S. 17 BECAUSE OF DRAINAGE PROBLEMS THAT HAS TO BE AN ELEVATED TRAIL. BUT BASED ON HIS COST OF $50 A SQUARE FOOT I'VE WORKED OUT $5.5 MILLION. I'M STAYING WITH THE LARGER NUMBER AT THE MOMENT. AND THEN THE BIGGER ISSUE IS WE'VE GOT FIVE GOVERNMENT ENTITIES INVOLVED IN THIS TRAIL. AND SO HOW DO WE GET IT DESIGNED AND BUILT AS A SING TRAIL. I DON'T WANT PIECEMEALING OF THIS BECAUSE I WANT TO MAKE SURE IT GETS DONE. AND SO ONE OPTION IS HAVE THE D.O.T. DESIGN AND BUILD IT ONCE WE GET THE MONEY. THE SECOND IS HAVE THE STEERING COMMITTEE OF THE FIVE GOVERNMENT ENTITIES TO SEE THE PLAN. SO, WITH THAT, BACK TO -- ANY

QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE AT THIS TIME? >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: THANK YOU,

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PROJECT. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: I APPRECIATE IT COMMISSIONER HENDRY. I'M CHRIS. I AM THE CHAIRMAN OF CLAY COUNTY'S BICYCLE BLUE WAYS AND TRAILS COMMITTEE. I THINK MR. WALLWORK NEEDS TO BE COMMENDED. I'VE LIVED IN CLAY COUNTY WELL OVER 30 YEARS AND THIS TRAIL HAS BEEN TALKED ABOUT FOR AT LEAST 25 YEARS. WE'VE GOT A LARGE BICYCLING COMMUNITY IN CLAY COUNTY, YOU KNOW, AND OUR COUNTY MANAGER M MR. WANNAMAKER HE IS ALSO WELL AWARE HAVING BEEN THE FORMER CEO OF NAS-JAX. YOU GOT A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF NAVY PERSONNEL AND CIVILIANS WHO WORK ON THE BASE ARE BICYCLISTS. MOST OF US HAVE SEEN THEM GO UNDER THE OVERPASS, UNDER 295 ON 17 AND YOU JUST CRINGE BECAUSE YOU KNOW IT IS AN ACCIDENT WAITING TO HELP. THE OBJECT TOSS GET THE BICYCLISTS OFF THE MAIN ROADS. WHICH, ONE, CREATES LESS IRRITATION AMONG THE GENERAL POPULATION AND IT'S CERTAINLY A HECK OF A LOT SAFER FOR THE BICYCLISTS AND ALL OF US CONCERNED. SO, I THINK 23R WHAT I HAVE SEEN HAVING BEEN INVOLVED WITH THIS FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS SINCE I AM A BICYCLIST ALSO IS THIS IS A FIRST TIME WE'VE ACTUALLY GOTTEN TO A POINT WHERE THIS HAS GOTTEN THIS FAR ALONG WHERE YOU ACTUALLY HAVE A VIABLE PATHWAY THAT LOOKS LIKE IT MIGHT WORK. AS REGARDS TO FUNDING IS CONCERNED, THAT ALL NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED AND THERE IS A BUNCH OF AREAS THAT NEED TO BE LOOKED AT. HOWEVER, I THINK IT'S VERY POSITIVE FOR CLAY COUNTY. REMEMBER THESE FOLKS DON'T LIVE NECESSARILY IN THE TOWN OF ORANGE PARK. THEY LIVE IN CLAY COUNTY. I THINK IT WOULD BE A GREAT BOON TO CLAY COUNTY TO DO THIS BECAUSE IT IS A TRANSPORTATION MODE FOR THE NAVAL AIR STATION AND FOR THE RECREATIONAL BICYCLISTS GOING TO THE PARK OR WHATEVER BECAUSE IT'S RIGHT THERE. TO KEEP THIS THING MOVING FORWARD, HE NEEDS TO BE COMMENDED FOR THE WORK HE'S DONE. THAT BEING SAID, THERE IS A COUPLE OF OTHER PROMOTIONAL ITEMS HERE SO TO SPEAK. THE COMMITTEE HAS WORKED OVER THE PAST YEAR ON A NUMEROUS TRAILS WHICH SOME OF YOU ARE AWARE OF. WE'VE COMPLETED THE BLACK CREEK OFF-ROAD BIKE PATH. 4.5 MILES IN BLACK CREEK PARK, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE SOUTHERN OFF-ROAD BICYCLE ASSOCIATION. AND ROBERT DEWS HELPED CREATE THE ENTIRE TRAIL THAT WAS BUILT BY THOSE FOLKS FOR THE USE OF THE GENERAL PUBLIC IN CLAY COUNTY. THE MAJOR ISSUE WE'RE WORKING ON NOW IS LIKE I TEND TO CALL THE NORTH FLORIDA GREENWAY THAT'S GOING TO LINK THEJACK BALDWIN RAIL TRAIL TO CECIL FIELD, CECIL FIELD TO OLD JENNINGS FOREST, NOT OLD BUT JENNINGS FOREST, AND TAKE THE TRAIL THROUGH JENNINGS FOREST ALL THE WAY INTO CLAY COUNTY AND THEN IT WILL CONTINUE ALL THE WAY DOWN TO KEYSTONE HEIGHTS TO GOLD HEAD STATE PARK. THAT IN TURN TIES IT IN TO PA LACKA LAKE BUTLER TRAIL. SO, YOU HAVE A TREMENDOUS CORRIDOR THAT GETS BICYCLISTS OFF THE HIGHLY TRAFFICKED ROADS. AND THAT IS THE WHOLE POINT OF IT. SO, JUST SO YOU KNOW THAT IS WHAT WE'RE DOING. ON THE KAYAKING FRONT WE WANT TO THANK PARKS AND REC FOR ALL THE WORK THEY'VE DONE AT CAMP. THERE IS GOING TO BE SIGNIFICANT KAYAKIG ACTIVITIES IN THIS COMING YEAR. HERE AGAIN WE WANT TO THANK THE BCC AND PARKS AND REC FOR THE SUPPORT THEY'VE GIVEN US. THAT BEING SAID I'LL SHUT UP. I'VE GOT ONE COMMERCIAL COMMENT. THIS SATURDAY AT THE MILITARY MUSEUM IN NORTH FLORIDA WE'RE HAVING THE SIXTH ANNUAL HELL CAT 10K, 30K AND 50K RACES. WE'VE GOT ABOUT 300 RUNNERS SIGNED UP SO FAR. JUST SO YOU KNOW, THIS RACE ATTRACTS NATIONAL ATTENTION. I'VE GOT RUNNERS FROM INDIANA, TENNESSEE, GEORGIA, OHIO, ARIZONA AND ILLINOIS. THAT IS GOOD FOR CLAY COUNTY. SO, IF ANY OF YOU FOLKS ARE AVAILABLE ON SATURDAY MORNING, FEEL FREE TO COME OUT TO THE MILITARY MUSEUM. WE'LL BE

THERE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: THANK YOU, CHRIS. THAT IS A REAL GOOD EVENT HAVING BEEN THERE EVERY YEAR UNTIL THIS ONE WHICH I'LL BE OUT OF TOWN. OKAY MOVING ON.

SCOTTISH ISLAND GAMES. JAMES HOUSE HOLDER. >> SPEAKER: I WAS WONDERING IF

YOU COULD HAVE A RESOLUTION ENDORSING THE TRAIL? >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: GET WITH ME

AFTERWARDS AND WE'LL TAKE CARE OF THAT, SIR. GOOD IDEA. >> SPEAKER: GOOD AFTERNOON. IN PREPARATION FOR THE SCOTTISH GAMES IS COMING TO OUR FAIRGROUNDS ON 29 FEBRUARY STAFF HAS BEGAN WORKING WITH MR. GIBSON ON THEIR APPLICATION FOR THE ALCOHOL PERMIT. THIS IS

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>> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: I BELIEVE THE REQUEST RAHS AMENDMENT TO THE ORDINANCE. AND THE REQUEST IS JUST FOR THIS YEAR'S EVENT JUST TO SEE HOW THE BEER GARDEN AND OPENING UP OF

THE ALCOHOL IS ZONED TO ACCOMPANY MINORS WOULD WORK. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: WE HAVE MADE

MODTIFICATIONS IN THE PAST? >> SPEAKER: YES WE HAVE DONE SO. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: DO YOU GOT

ANYTHING YOU WANT TO ADD TO THAT? >> SPEAKER: HE PRETTY WELL

COVERED IT. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?

>> SPEAKER: AT THIS TIME THIS IS ONLY THE REQUEST FOR THE EXEMPTION. THIS ANSWER WAS NEEDED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH HOW MUCH PUBLIC SAFETY AND LAW ENFORCEMENT WOULD BE REQUIRED FOR THE EXPANDED ALCOHOL ZONE. SO, WE'RE LIKELY TO HAVE THAT PUT TOGETHER AND BRING IT BACK TO THE NEXT BOARD AND WOULD BE THE APPLICATION FOR THE PERMIT ITSELF. WE NEEDED THIS ANSWER

FIRST. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: I UNDERSTAND FROM THE FEEDBACK FROM LAST YEAR WE HAD ABSOLUTELY NO PROBLEMS WITH SERVING THE BEVERAGES AT THE EVENT.

>> SPEAKER: NO SIR. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: OKAY. >> SPEAKER: SO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR IS NOT NECESSARILY A VOTE BECAUSE IT IS AN AMENDMENT TO THE ORDINANCE. SO, WE'D HAVE TO BRING THAT BACK TO YOU NEXT BOARD MEETING. BUT WHAT WE ARE LOOKING FOR IS DIRECTION TO MOVE FORWARD WITH PROVIDING NOTICE FOR SUCH AN AMENDMENT AND BRINGING IT BACK.

>> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: WOULD THIS BE A ONE OFF AMENDMENT? >> COUNTY ATTORNEY: THEY'VE

ASKED FOR JUST THIS YEAR. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: I'M OKAY WITH IT.

>> COMMISSIONER CELLA: WE'VE DONE COUPLE OF EXEMPTIONS THAT WORKED WELL. AND, OF COURSE, THAT'S GOING TO IMPACT THE NUMBER OF PUBLIC SAFETY OFFICIALS THAT ARE ON SITE. SO, I HAVE NO PROBLEM. THEY'VE ACTUALLY DONE VERY WELL WITH THE BEER SALES OVER THE PAST TWO

YEARS. >> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: AS LONG AS THEY DON'T DRINK THEN TRY TO THROW THE AX OR SOMETHING [LAUGHTER] THAT COULD GET SCARY.

>> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: WOE SEEM TO HAVE CONSENSUS, JAMES. SO WE WILL PUT THIS ON THE AGENDA AND

VOTE FOR IT AT OUR NEXT MEETING. >> COUNTY ATTORNEY: WE'LL PUB

PUBLISH AND THEN BRING IT BACK. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: OKAY. ALL RIGHT. VERY GOOD. THANK YOU, JAMES. MOVING ON TO APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FOR DECEMBER 10, 2019. IS THERE A MOTION?

[APPROVAL OF MINUTES]

>> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: MOVE FOR APPROVAL. >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING:

SECOND. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: ALL RIGHT. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. OPPOSED.

VERY GOOD. PUBLIC COMMENTS. WE HAVE TWO OR THREE HERE. SO, I WILL GET TO THOSE IN ORDER THAT

[PUBLIC COMMENTS]

>> PUBLIC SPEAKER: WHEN DOES THAT START? >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: WHEN YOU

START TALKING. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: OKAY. MY NAME IS ALLISON AND MY ADDRESS IS ON THE CARD. THANK YOU. OKAY SO I WANTED TO SPEAK ON THE 5G TECHNOLOGY AND PLEASE STOPPING THE 5G ROLLOUT IMMEDIATELY. 5G HAS BEEN USED IN THE MILITARY FOR CROWD CONTROL AND CROWD DISPERSEMENT. OVER 1,000 INDEPENDENT PEER REVIEW SCIENTIFIC STUDIES FROM 44 COUNTRIES HAVE SHOWN HARMFUL AFFECTS INCLUDING CANCERS, DNA BREAKAGE, TOMB OVERS AND A LENGTHY LIST THAT GOES ON. IT DESTROYS BIOLOGICAL STRUCTURE. MANY PLACES ARE HALTING THE 5G

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THERE'S NO NEED FOR 5G. 4G IS JUST FINE. LIKE I SAID, THIS HAS BEEN USED IN THE MILITARY FOR CROWD CONTROL PURPOSES. SO, I HOPE YOU TAKE WHAT I'VE SAID INTO CONSIDERATION AND DO

WHATEVER POSSIBLE TO STOP THE 5G ROLLOUT COMPLETELY. THANK YOU. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: THANK YOU,

ALLISON. MR. LAMAR SMITH. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: GOOD EVENING, BOARD. LAMAR SMITH AND I RESIDE AT 1108 NORTH STREET IN GREEN COVE SPRINGS, FLORIDA. ON SEPTEMBER 25TH, 2019, A LADY STOLE BEER FROM A STORE BY THE MIDDLE SCHOOL. SHE THEN RAN TO TWO HOUSES DOWN AND JUMPED IN ONE OF Y'ALL VEHICLES. SHE THEN HIGH-SPEEDED CHASE AND LANDED IN MY LIVING ROOM. NOW YOUR INSURANCE COMPANY SAID WE HAVE COMPLETED OUR INVESTIGATION REGARDING THIS ABOVE CAPTION.

OUR INVESTIGATION DID NOT FIND ANY NEXT ON THE PART -- NEGLIGENCE ON THE PART OF THE CLAY COUNTY BOARD OF COMMISSION. AND WE DENY RESPONSIBILITY FOR THESE DAMAGES. I WANTED TO KNOW TODAY, DO THIS BOARD FEEL THE SAME WAY YOUR INSURANCE COMPANY DO? IF NOT, I WOULD LIKE FOR SOME HELP FOR A DOOR, WINDOW AND 20 BLOCKS REPLACED IN MY HOME. I DO NOT WANT TO SUE THIS BOARD.

I CAME IN PEACE AND LOVE BECAUSE I AM A CHRISTIAN AND I'M ORDAINED DEACON ON FIRST AFRICAN MISSIONARY BAPTIST KWCHURCH. IM NOT INTERESTED IN WEALTH. I JUST WANT MY HOME REPAIRED. I DISAGREE WITH THIS. THERE WAS TWO WITNESSES, THE STORE PEOPLE LOOKED OUT AND SAW HER DO THIS ALSO. I WOULD LIKE FOR THIS BOARD JUST CONSIDER AN ALTERNATIVE TO HELP ME IN MY

HOME. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: THANK YOU, SIR. DO YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO

THAT, HOWARD? >> COMMISSIONER: I'LL DEFINITELY LOOK INTO THIS. THIS IS THE

FIRST I'VE HEARD OF THIS. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: I HAVE HIS CONTACT INFORMATION. MR. SMITH,

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>> PUBLIC SPEAKER: THANK YOU. >> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: IS THE LADY IN JAIL?

>> PUBLIC SPEAKER: YES, SIR. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: OBVIOUSLY NO MONEY. NEXT ONE IS -- I'M

SORRY. JAMES AUTO. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: JAMIDDLEBURG SEX TOYS OF CLAY COUNTY. THE ALCOHOL IS ONLY TO BE IN THE TENTS. I WENT TO ALL THOSE MEETINGS. THIS IS RIDICULOUS.

ALCOHOL IS ONLY TO BE IN THOSE TENTS. OKAY. THIS IS THE STUFF THAT WE HAVE IN CLAY COUNTY OKAY. I REQUESTED TO SPEAK ON NUMBER 11 AND 15 TODAY ALSO. I'M REALLY GLAD THAT THE PEOPLE FROM OLD HART ROAD CAME IN AND THAT'S JUST GOING TO BE PART OF THE START OF THESE PROBLEMS THAT YOU GUYS GOT FROM OVER BUILDING THIS COUNTY. I'M GLAD STAFF SAID IT WAS BAN PLANNING AGAIN.

YOU KNOW, IT REALLY WAS BAD PLANNING. AND IT'S BAD PLANNING TO ADD ANYMORE TO THIS COMMUNITY LIKE YOU ALL KEEP DOING. FOLKS DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW MUCH STUFF YOU'VE GOT APPROVED ALREADY. I HAVE A TOTALLY DIFFERENT OPINION ON THE LAST TWO CHAIRS. AFTER BEING KICKED OUT OF PUBLIC MEETINGS AFTER 12 YEARS OF COMING HERE, IT'S ABSURD. THE DOORS WERE LOCKED MANY TIMES.

THIS IS ONE POT OF MONEY, THE CITIZEN'S MONEY, OKAY. I WANT YOU TO REMEMBER THAT OKAY.

TALLAHASSEE SAID THAT THE $100,000 CAN BE REALLOCATED FOR THE FAIRGROUNDS. THERE'S WAY TOO MANY OTHER ISSUES IN THIS COUNTY TO BE SPENDING $100,000 ON A FAIRGROUND AND THEN WANTING YOUR 16 COUNTY ROAD EXPANDED. WE GOT OTHER ROADS THAT NEED TO BE TAKEN CARE OF. AGAIN, ALCOHOL WAS ONLY TO BE IN THE TENT. AND NOW YOU ARE GOING TO CHANGE IT. I WANT YOU TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT YOUR MEETINGS BAG THEN OKAY. FOOTBALL IS CHILD ABUSE. I COME IN AND TALK ABOUT THAT ALL THE TIME. IF YOU ARE AN ADULT AND WANT TO RUN INTO EACH OTHER, KNOCK YOURSELVES OUT BUT WE NEED THAT OUT OF OUR PUBLIC SCHOOLS FOR KIDS. $16 MILLION IN INTEREST, $12 MILLION IN INTEREST, THAT IS RIDICULOUS. ABSOLUTELY RIDICULOUS. SLOW GROWTH IS BETTER THAN FAST GROWTH. I'D LIKE YOU TO PUT THAT ON THE BALLOT. TO ASK THE VOTERS IF WE SHOULD GET A LOAN THAT WE'RE GOING TO PAY $16 MILLION THAT YOU COULD BUILD A SHELTER FOR HUMAN BEINGS INCLUDING VETS. YOU KNOW, THERE'S TALK OF ANIMAL SHELTER IS RIDICULOUS. YOU ARE GOING TO BUILD AN ANIMAL SHELTER FOR PIT BULLS. YOU GOT TWO PIT BULL S UP HERE TODAY YOU ARE TRYING TO GET RIGHTD OF. EUTHAE THEM. THEY'RE LIKE PYTHONS. THEY'RE PROBLEM. IT IS LIABILITY TO SIT HERE AND SAY IT MIGHT NEED A FENCE FOR THIS PIT BULL. ANY KIND OF ANIMAL LIKE THAT NEEDS A FENCE. ARE YOU GOING TO TETHER IT? THEY SAY THAT MAKES THEM MEANER. IF YOU DON'T HAVE A FENCE. YOU KNOW, THE HOMELESS. YOU KNOW, WE GOT THE CELLULITE AND THE EASY BASE.

GO ON YOUTUBE AND WATCH THE LADY THAT'S KID IS SICK BECAUSE OF THE METAL IN HER KID'S BODY.

YOU KNOW, I'M DEFINITELY FOR THE PLAN OF THE TRAILS. THAT'S AN AWESOME PROJECT. I'M GLAD THAT

JACKSONVILLE AND ST. JOHN -- >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: YOUR TIME IS UP SIR.

>> PUBLIC SPEAKER: OKAY I ASK THAT I BE ABLE TO SPEAK ON 11 AND 15, SIR.

>> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: MOVING ON TO THE CONSENT AGENDA. WHAT'S THE PLEASURE OF THE BOARD ON THAT?

[CONSENT AGENDA]

>> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: I MOVE APPROVAL IF THERE'S NO ONE THAT WANTS TO PULL ANYTHING.

>> COMMISSIONER CELLA: SECOND. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. OPPOSED. THANK YOU.

[7.  Project Bonding]

>> COUNTY ATTORNEY: AT THE DECEMBER MEETING WE PUT ON THE AGENDA FOR DISCUSSION THE REIMBURSEMENT RESOLUTION IN CONNECTION WITH THE BONDING PROJECT. AS YOU MAY RECALL, THE REIMBURSEMENT RESOLUTION IS TO ALLOW STAFF TO GO AHEAD AND MOVE FORWARD WITH CERTAIN PARTS OF THE BONDING PROJECT SUCH AS THE DESIGN PHASE AS YOU ARE GOING TO HEAR LATER IN CONNECTION WITH THE READING AND EXPENSES THAT THEN MAY BE RECOVERED FROM THE BOND PROCEEDS ONCE IT IS

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>> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: COULD YOU GIVE US THE VERY SPECIFICS ON THE REIMBURSEMENT PART OF THIS

>> COUNTY ATTORNEY: SO IT -- AS IT WILL BE DEFINED IN THE RESOLUTION AND BOND DOCUMENTS MOVING FORWARD THERE ARE CERTAIN COSTS THAT MAY BE ASSESSED AGAINST THE BONDS PROCEEDS.

THIS REIMBURSEMENT RESOLUTION WILL ALLOW ANY OF THOSE COSTS DEFINED UNDER THE RESOLUTION OR BOND DOCUMENTS MOVING FORWARD IF YOU INCURRED THEM PRIOR TO THE ACTUAL ADOPTION OF THE RESOLUTION THIS WILL ALLOW YOU TO RECOVER THEM FROM THE BOND PROCEEDS. BECAUSE CURRENTLY NOW WE'LL HAVE TO SPEND THEM OUT OF THE COUNTY FUNDS UNTIL WE RECEIVE THE BOND MONEYS.

>> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: AND WE'LL NEED TO VOTE ON THIS? >> COUNTY ATTORNEY: YES, SIR.

>> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: AS I UNDERSTAND IT, IT IS A MATTER OF WE'RE GETTING A LOAN BUT THERE ARE THINGS WE COULD BE DOING NOW AND PUT THE MONEY OUT AND THEN THIS ALLOWS US TO GET REIMBURSED BACK FROM THE PROCEEDS OF THE BOND. SO, WITH THAT, MR. CHAIRMAN I'M HAPPY TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION OR A MOTION. A MOTION TO APPROVE REIMBURSEMENT RESOLUTION AS PRESENTED.

>> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: I'LL SEND. WE ALWAYS TALK ABOUT HOW GOVERNMENT WORKS SLOW SO THIS IS A GOOD PROACTIVE APPROACH TO STARTING NECESSARY MOVEMENT WHILE THE FINAL OP ORDER IS

CREATED. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY QUESTIONS, GENTLEMEN? HEARING NONE, WE'LL CALL FOR A VOTE. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. OPPOSED. SAYING AYE] MOTION PASSES. ITEM B IDENTIFICATION OF BOND PROJECTS.

>> COUNTY ATTORNEY: WHILE DALE IS COM PAL CO TO SET THE STAGE, I'VE PROVIDED EACH OF YOU THE DRAFT, THE FIRST DRAFT OF THE BONDING RESOLUTION IN CONNECTION WITH THAT ONE OF THE EXHIBITS THAT IS REQUIRED WILL BE THE IDENTIFICATION OF THE PROJECTS. THE FINAL RESOLUTION WILL BE BROUGHT TO YOU. RIGHT NOW THE TIMEFRAME IS FEBRUARY 25TH. SO WHAT WE NEED IN ORDER TO JUST FACILITATE MOVING FORWARD IS SPECIFIC IDENTIFICATION OF THE PROJECTS. WE'VE BEEN TALK PING ABOUT THEM BUT IN ORDER TO MOVE FORWARD AND WE'RE STARTING TO SPEND FUNDS, MOVING FORWARD WITH RFPS AND GETTING DESIGN CONSULTANTS ON BOARD WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THE BOARD IDENTIFIES

SPECIFICALLY WHICH PROJECTS. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: DALE? >> SPEAKER: THIS IS, IF YOU WILL GIVE ME THE SECOND SLIDE. YOU ALL HAVE SEEN THIS MAP BEFORE. THESE ARE THE SIX PROJECTS WE'RE PROPOSING. THEY'RE EITHER DEFICIENT OR CRITICAL. IF WE START ABOUT THE 9:00 POSITION ON THE MAP AND MOVE AROUND CLOCKWISE. THE FIRST ONE IS COUNTY ROAD 218. IT'S FROM PINE TREE TO COSMOS. THAT'S THE FIRST PROJECT THAT WE HAVE. AND THERE WILL BE MORE DETAILED MAPS A LITTLE MORE EXPLANATION. THE NEXT ONE IS COUNTY ROAD 220 FROM HENDLEY TO BASICALLY STATE ROAD 23 OR JUST WEST OF BAXLEY ROAD. AND THOSE ARE TAKING TWO-LANE ROADS AND TURNING THEM INTO FOUR-LANE ROADS. WE'VE GOT THEN COUNTY ROAD 220 WHICH IS FROM JUST EAST OF THE BRIDGE OVER THE CREEK OUT TO 17. AND THAT IS TAKING THAT ROADWAY FROM ITS EXISTING FOUR LANES TO SIX LANES. THE NEXT PROJECT IS COUNTY ROAD 209. THAT IS FROM 17 TO -- WE CALL IT 315B BUT WE ACTUALLY HAVE TO GO AROUND THE CORNER TO BUILD THE TURN LANES THAT ARE NEEDED. THE FIFTH PROJECT IS COUNTY ROAD 209. THAT IS FROM 315B TO SAND RIDGE. THEN WE'VE GOT SANDRIDGE ROAD WHICH IS FROM COUNTY ROAD 209 TO HENDLEY ROAD. WE'LL GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. THIS IS JUST, YOU KNOW, A BRIEF SUMMARY, A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL THAT GIVES YOU THE ROADS IN THE SAME ORDER, THE SAME NUMBERS SO YOU CAN REFER TO THE MAP. AND THE TOTAL COST OF THESE SIX, YOU KNOW, PROJECTS ARE $129,984,160. THESE ARE EITHER DEFICIENT OR CRITICAL ROADS. AS WE GO THROUGH THE NEXT COUPLE OF SLIDES, WE'LL TALK ABOUT THE RFPS THAT WE'RE PREPARED TO GO OUT WITH YOUR APPROVAL. THE FIRST ONE, AND THIS IS COUNTY ROAD 218. THE ONES WE'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING

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NEXT SLIDE. ON THIS ONE, THIS IS COUNTY ROAD 220 FROM STATE ROAD 23 TO WEST OF HENDLEY. AND THIS IS 1.6 MILES. IT'S GOING FROM TWO LANES TO FOUR LANES. THE COST ON THIS IS $13.2 MILLION. NOW THIS IS WHERE WE DO HAVE SOME MONEY IN THE PROJECT RIGHT NOW. WE HAVE A STATE GRANT FOR $4 MILLION. $2 MILLION IS SET ASIDE TO START THE ENGINEERING AND THOSE COSTS THEN ANOTHER $2 MILLION FOR THE QUADRANT INTERSECTION. WE HAD THAT DISCUSSION ALMOST A YEAR AGO. SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S PART OF THE MONEY THAT WE CAN SPEND NOW THAT IS CURRENTLY IN OUR BUDGET. NEXT SLIDE. THIS IS THE THIRD PROJECT AND THESE THREE WE WOULD LIKE TO PUT OUT FOR AN RFQ IF WE GET YOUR PERMISSION WE'LL ACTUALLY POST THE NOTICE I THINK IN THE NEWSPAPERS ON THE 16TH. AND THEN SOLICIT FOR ENGINEERING FIRMS TO START THE DESIGN PROCESS. IF YOU NOTICE ON THIS ONE WE HAVE CIP FUNDING ON THAT ONE WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, CURRENTLY IN OUR CIP. THIS WAS FOR THE TRIPLE R PROJECT. IF YOU REMEMBER, WE ACTUALLY AWARDED THE DESIGN OF THE TRIPLE R FOR THIS PROJECT PROBABLY THREE MONTHS AGO BUT WE'VE HELD OFF SPENDING ANY MONEY, NEGOTIATING WITH THE CONSULTANT THAT WE SELECTED BECAUSE WE KNEW, YOU KNOW, THIS WAS COMING UP. SO, THERE IS A LITTLE OVER $3 MILLION CURRENTLY IN THE CIP OF OUR MONEY. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, TOTALLY WE'VE GOT $1.7 MILLION OF D.O.T. FUNDING FOR SOME INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS. IT'S GOING TAKE NEGOTIATION WITH D.O.T. TO SEE IF WE CAN USE THESE GRANT FUNDS THAT WERE SET UP FOR WHEN IT WAS BASICALLY A FOUR-LANE ROAD TO SEE IF WE CAN INCORPORATE THOSE DOLLARS AND MAKE THOSE IMPROVEMENTS WITH THIS PROJECT.

SO, LIKE I SAID, THE FIRST THREE PROJECTS, YOU KNOW, IF WE GET PERMISSION TO MOVE AHEAD, WE'VE ALREADY WRITTEN THE SCOPES OF SERVICES FOR THE RFQS AND THEY WILL GO OUT IMMEDIATELY.

>> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: THOSE FIRST THREE PROJECTS THE MONEY IS IN THE PRESENT CIP.

>> SPEAKER: THERE'S MONEY TO DO THE WORK AND WITH THIS RESOLUTION THAT COURTNEY TALKED ABOUT WE'D THEN BE ABLE TO PUT THAT MONEY BACK INTO THE CIP AND USE IT FOR OTHER PROJECTS. THE FOURTH PROJECT IS 209. THAT'S FROM U.S. 17 BACK TO THREE 15B. THERE'S MONEY IN THE CIP. WE HAD BEEN HOLDING OFF ON THE DINE. WE PUT IN FOR D.O.T. GRANTS FOR THE LAST COUPLE YEARS FOR THIS PROJECT AND WE HAVE NOT BEEN SUCCESSFUL. BUT WE'VE HAD MONEY IN THE CIP SO WE CAN DO THE ENGINEERING WITH THAT AND THEN THAT MONEY WOULD BE REIMBURSED BACK TO THE CIP. ONE THING -- LIKE I SAID, THIS SAYS IT'S 8 TENTHS OF A MILE IT'S PLUS PROBABLY ABOUT 2,000 FEET ON 209 PAST THE INTERSECTION. WHAT MAKES, YOU KNOW, THIS PROJECT A LITTLE MORE EXPENSIVE THAN YOU WOULD THINK ABOUT IS THE RAILROAD CROSSING. WE'RE GOING FROM A TWO-LANE CROSSING TO A FIVE-LANE CROSSING AND WE'RE PROBABLY TALKING ABOUT A MILLION DOLLARS THAT WE'LL HAVE CROSSING. THE NEXT PROJECT IS 209 FROM SAN RIDGE TO COUNTY ROAD 315B. IT'S 2.6 MILES. AND IT'S GOING FROM TWO LANES, YOU KNOW, TWO FOUR LANES WITH CURB AND BIKE PATH AND IT'S OVER 28 MILLION. THE COST ON THIS ONE IS THE BRIDGE ON 209. WE WOULD HAVE TO WIDEN IT WHICH IS GOING TO BASICALLY MEAN THE COMPLETE RECONSTRUCTION OF BUILDING THE BRIDGE IN TWO PIECES AND TRANSFERRING TRAFFIC SEVERAL TIMES ON IT. WE HAVEN'T PROPOSED TO MOVE AHEAD WITH THIS PROJECT AND THE NEXT PROJECT THAT WE'LL TALK ABOUT BECAUSE WE'VE HAD A GROUP OF PEOPLE COME IN AND PRESENT SOME ALTERNATIVE PARALLEL ROADS AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THEM PRESENT THAT TO THE -- SEE IF I CAN GET THE NAME OF THE NEW COMMITTEE RIGHT. THE INFRASTRUCTURE DEVELOPMENT PARKS AND RECREATION PARKS AND STEM COMMITTEES ON THE 21ST. THEY'RE GOING TO MAKE THEIR PRESENTATION ON INSTEAD OF WIDENING 209 AND SAND RIDGE THEY PROPOSE TO BUILD PARALLEL ROADS IN WHAT WE CALL OUR APF ROADS. THEY'RE GOING TO PRESENT THAT AND SHOW YOU THAT THAT SHOULD COST LESS MONEY AND

KEEP FROM HAVING TO ACTUALLY WIDEN THESE ROADS. >> COMMISSIONER: BOWL DO YOU

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BELIEVE THAT TO BE TRUE? >> SPEAKER: I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THEM. I'VE HAD THREE MEETINGS WITH THEM BETWEEN NEW AND THE 21ST I'LL MEET WITH THEM A COUPLE MORE TIMES. I'LL BE COMFORTABLE WITH WHAT THEY'LL PRESENT. THEY'LL -- DON'T KNOW THAT I'LL AGREE WITH IT ALL BUT I'LL BE COMFORTABLE THAT THE MODELLING AND WE'RE COMPARING MY ESTIMATES TO THEIR ESTIMATES AND ON THE SAME BASIS. LAST BUT NOT LEAST IS SAND RIDGE. THAT'S GOING FROM THE TWO LANES TO FOUR LANES. AND THAT'S 3.75 MILES AND IT'S GOING FROM THE TWO LANES TO THE FOUR LANES. WE'RE GETTING BICYCLE PATHS ON EVERY ONE OF THESE, YOU KNOW, PLUS SIDEWALKS. AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, 36 -- A LITTLE OVER $36 MILLION. THIS IS ONE THAT THEY SAY IF WE DON'T BUILD SAND RIDGE, WE DON'T BUILD 209 BUT BUILD THIS SYSTEM OF PARALLEL ROADS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE WILL NOT HAVE TO DO THAT WORK. SO, THAT IS WHY WE'RE NOT MOVING AT TO MOVE AHEAD WITH THOSE AT THIS POINT. THE NEXT PAGE OR ACTUALLY THE NEXT TWO PAGES ARE SOME VERY BASIC CHARTS I'VE DEVELOPED TO SHOW YOU HOW WE WILL PROGRESS ON THESE PARTICULAR PROJECTS. THE ORIGINAL PLAN WAS TO START THEM ALL AT ONE TIME AND LET THE SIZE, LENGTH AND COMPLEXITY OF THE PROJECT REALLY DICTATE, YOU KNOW, WHEN CONSTRUCTION STARTS. WE'LL START THE DESIGN ALL AT THE SAME TIME BUT THE DESIGN, THE RIGHT-OF-WAY AND PERMITTING WILL DETERMINE, YOU KNOW, WHEN THE PROJECTS CAN GO OUT FOR CONSTRUCTION AND THAT WILL END UP SORT OF LAGGING THE PROJECTS ONE BEHIND EACH OTHER. I WOULDN'T WANT TO PUT SIX PROJECTS OUT AT THE SAME TIME.

THE FIRST PAGE IS THE FIRST THREE PROJECTS THAT WE'VE ASKED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH. AND THAT IS 218, COUNTY ROAD 220 AND THE OTHER COUNTY ROAD 220. THE SECOND PAGE ARE YOUR TWO COUNTY ROADS, 209 AND SAND RIDGE ROAD. REALIZE IT'S SORT OF SMALL ON THE SCREEN. HOPEFULLY YOU CAN READ IT ON THE HANDOUT A LITTLE BIT BETTER. THE BIG QUESTION, AT LEAST FOR ME, IS HOW ARE WE GOING TO MANAGE THIS? THAT'S WHAT SORT OF THE LAST SLIDE IS. WHAT WE'VE PROPOSED TO DO IS TO BASICALLY HIRE A, YOU KNOW, A PROGRAM MANAGER AND LET HIM MANAGE IT AND HAVE TWO ASSISTANTS UNDER HIM, PROJECT MANAGERS. AND EACH ONE OF THEM WILL MANAGE SIX OF THE ROADWAY PROJECTS. AND THIS WILL TAKE YOU FROM DESIGN, RIGHT-OF-WAY. GOING TO HAVE TO HIRE SOMEBODY TO HELP US DO CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT, THEN THE CONSTRUCTION ITSELF.

>> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: WHEN YOU SAY HIRE SOMEBODY THESE ARE EMPLOYEES OF THE COUNTY?

>> SPEAKER: YES, SIR. IF WE HIRE A FIRM AND I THINK THIS IS, YOU KNOW, MR. WANNAMAKER HE'LL TALK MORE ABOUT THAT, YOU KNOW, VERY HONESTLY IF YOU HIRE CONSULTANT TO MANAGE IT ALL I THINK THE COST WILL BE QUITE A BIT HIGHER THAN HIRING THREE STAFF PEOPLE.

>> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: BUT IF YOU RUN INTO PROBLEMS WHERE YOU NEED MORE PEOPLE THEY GOT THEM.

WE DON'T. >> SPEAKER: WELL YOU GOT TO REMEMBER THIS IS JUST FOR THE MANAGEMENT OF THE PROGRAM. THE ENGINEERING FIRMS WILL HAVE ALL THE STAFF, YOU KNOW, TO BASICALLY PURSUE THE DESIGN AND EVEN FOR THE CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT WILL BE A FIRM. SO WE JUST FELT HONESTLY THAT IT WOULD BE BETTER TO HAVE STAFF MANAGING OUR MONEY THAN HIRING A

CONSULTANT TO MANAGE OUR MONEY, PROJECTS AND TIME. >> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: I WOULD LOVE TO SEE A COST ANALYSIS ON THAT. BECAUSE I JUST THINK IT'S RARE THAT GOVERNMENT DOES THINGS CHEAPER THAN THE PRIVATE SECTOR. I'M NOT SAYING IT DOESN'T HAPPEN BUT IT'S RARE.

>> SPEAKER: WE CAN DO THAT. >> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: I MEAN, MOSQUITO CONTROL IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE WHERE WE WERE GETTING A GREAT PRODUCT AND AT BASICALLY THE SAME COST AND WE ARE HAVING A COMPANY DO THAT. BECAUSE THEN YOU LOOK AT ALSO THE EXTENDED BENEFITS AND COSTS OVER FRS AND, YOU KNOW, A VARIETY OF OTHER THINGS WHEN YOU HAVE SOMEBODY INTEMLY. BUT, I MEAN, IF YOU GUYS SAY IT'S CHEAPER AND YOU HAVE A PLAN, I MEAN, I DEFINITELY WOULD LIKE TO SEE

THAT NOT JUST A FEELING THAT IT WOULD BE CHEAPER. >> SPEAKER: AND LIKE I SAID NOT ONLY CHEAPER BUT SOMEBODY ON STAFF, SOMEBODY THAT WE HAVE ACCESS TO, YOU KNOW, FIVE DAYS A

WEEK. THEY'D BE RIGHT DOWN THE HALL. >> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: THE CONSULTANT WE SHOULD HAVE ACCESS TO AS PART OF THE RFP. IF THEY'RE NOT PICKING UP THE PHONE

WE SHOULD FIRE THEM. >> SPEAKER: I'M NOT SAYING THAT. I HIRE CONSULTANTS ALL THE TIME AND I HAVE EMBEDDED STAFF. AND I PREFER THE EMBEDDED STAFF BECAUSE I AM WORKING WITH THEM.

I CAN RELAY MY IDEAS AND COMMENTS IMMEDIATELY AND THEY'RE CARRIED OUT. SO.

>> IF I COULD HAVE A MOMENT I'LL SAVE US ON DELTA. I CAN GIVE YOU MORE AMPLIFYING INFORMATION

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IF WE RELY ON THE FIRM THAT WE BID OUT AND THEY RECEIVE THE PROJECT, THEY'RE RUNNING THE PROJECT SO I CAN PRETTY MUCH TELL YOU HOW THEY'RE GOING TO TELL ME HOW THE PROJECT IS GOING, RIGHT. EVERYTHING'S GOING GOOD. SO WE FELT INTERNALLY THAT WE COULD BEST MANAGE THIS. WE COULD KEEP THE COSTS DOWN WHEN IT COMES TO RIGHT-OF-WAY. WE KNOW THERE WERE PREVIOUS PROJECTS DONE WITHIN THE COUNTY THAT SEEMED WHEN WE'RE A LOOKING AT THE RIGHT-OF-WAY COST THAT WE SPENT ON THE PARTICULAR PROJECTS WE DEFINITELY PAID TOP DOLLAR ACROSS THE BOARD. THAT'S ONE AREA WHERE WE DON'T NEED TO PAY TOP DOLLAR AND WE NEED TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT. AND THESE INDIVIDUALS WOULD BE WORKING FOR US REALTIME. AND HAVE OUR BEST INTEREST AT HAND. SO, JUST QUICK ANALYSIS ON THAT FOR THE PROJECT MANAGEMENT. I ASKED TO BRING IT UP FOR DISCUSSION. WE CAN -- I HAVE THE JOB DESCRIPTIONS AVAILABLE. IF YOU GIVE ME APPROVAL THIS EVENING I CAN GO FORTH AND START ADVERTISING FOR THE JOB AND INTERVIEWING. WE DON'T EVEN KNOW REALLY I ASKED DALE IF HE KNEW ANYBODY THAT IS OUT THERE AND DALE YOU CAN ADDRESS THAT. WE MAY HAVE ONE PERSON THAT'S EXPERIENCED AND INTERESTED AT THE PROJECT MANAGEMENT LEVEL BUT REALLY TRULY SOMEBODY AT THAT PROJECT ADMINISTRATOR LEVEL I DON'T HAVE ANYBODY I CAN SEE. BUT IF WE WENT OUT WITH THAT WE COULD ASK. ANYTHING MORE TO ADD

ON THAT, DALE? >> SPEAKER: NO SIR. >> SPEAKER: I'M OPEN FOR ANY

QUESTIONS ON THAT FOR DISCUSSION. >> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: WHERE

DID THE HALF MILLION COME FROM? >> SPEAKER: I WAS TALKING TO DALE ABOUT IT IN HIS PREVIOUS EXPERIENCES AND DOING PROJECTS IN JACKSONVILLE. BUT WE CAN DEFINITELY, YOU KNOW, ASK AROUND

AND FIND THAT OUT. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: WHAT KIND OF PENALTY CLAUSE DO WE HAVE IF

WE DON'T MAKE IT? >> SPEAKER: WE CAN DEFINITELY PUT THAT INTO THE CONTRACT.

>> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: I MEAN FOR OUR GUYS NOT MAKING THE DEADLINES. WE GOT ONE IF WE GO OUTSIDE AND GET A BIG-TIME FIRM. PARSONS BRINKER HOFF, BECK TELL, THEY GOT LOTS OF RESOURCES.

THEY'RE WILLING TO SIGN A PENALTY CONTRACT. THERE'S NO QUESTION WE'RE GOING TO BE PAYING $45 MILLION INTEREST HERE. I THINK WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CHUMP CHANGE WHEN WE TALK ABOUT MANAGING THE PROJECTS. MANAGING THE PROJECT IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING WE'RE GOING TO

DO HERE. I DON'T THINK WE OUGHT TO CUT CON CONNERS THERE. >> SPEAKER: I AGREE. BUT I THINK TO GET A FIRM TO BE THE MANAGER OVER SIX ENGINEERING FIRMS, I DON'T THINK YOU ARE GOING TO GET YOU KNOW WHAT IS GOING TO BE THEIR PENALTY IF THEY DON'T? BECAUSE, I MEAN, THESE PROJECTS ARE ALL SO COMPLEX THAT I DON'T THINK YOU ARE GOING TO END UP WITH ANY LIQUIDATED DAMAGES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. WELL YOU DIDN'T GET IT OUT. THAT WOULD ROLL AND DOWN AND TO THE ENGINEERING FIRM. BECAUSE THEY'RE THE ONES WHO ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR GETTING EACH

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INDIVIDUAL PROJECT OUT. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: I'D LIKE TO SEE IT BID AND AT LEAST WE

HAVE REAL NUMBERS TO EVALUATE. GO AHEAD. >> SPEAKER: I MEAN, IF YOU WANT US TO PUT IT OUT FOR AN RFQ, I MEAN, THAT'S A PROCESS THAT WILL TAKE SOME TIME. AND WE CAN DO

THAT. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: IN TOTAL IT IS $130 MILLION PROJECT. I

MEAN, THAT'S ENOUGH TO INTEREST SOME BIG FIRMS HERE. >> FOR CLARIFICATION IF YOU WANT US TO PUT TOGETHER A SCOPE FOR A BID ARE YOU ENVISIONING THIS COMPANY BEING JUST THE CONSTRUCTION MANAGER OR ENVISIONING THEM ACTUALLY HIRING THE CONTRACTOR AND HIRING THE

ENGINEERING? >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: DOING THE WHOLE BALL OF WAX.

>> SPEAKER: IN OTHER WORDS STEPPING OUTSIDE OF OUR NORMAL PROCUREMENT PROCESS AND HIRING

THEM TO MANAGE OUR MONEY FROM BEGINNING TO END? >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: RIGHT. I MEAN, THIS PLACE -- IF WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO DO THESE PROJECTS IN FIVE YEARS, YOU GOT ANY IDEA WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN TO THE CURRENT TRAFFIC IN CLAY COUNTY WHEN WE TEAR UP SIX BIG ROADS? I MEAN, IT'S GOING TO BE A BIG DEAL HERE. AND I WANT SOMEBODY IN THERE THAT CAN REALLY MANAGE THIS STUFF. THERE IS PEOPLE WHO HAVE DONE THIS BEFORE LIKE THIS. THIS IS NOT THAT BIG. BUT IT IS A BIG ONE. WHAT DO WE DO WITH ALL THESE PEOPLE WE HIRE AFTER THE

PROJECTS ARE DONE? ARE WE GOING TO FIRE THEM? >> SPEAKER: WELL WE'RE LOOKING AT FIVE YEARS YOU MAY HAVE A VACANCY. AT SOME POINT WHAT NORMALLY HAPPENS WITH THAT KIND OF SITUATION IS THEY DON'T GET FIRED. WE FIND ANOTHER JOB FOR THEM SOMEWHERE ELSE. AND NOW WE HAVE FIVE PERMANENT EMPLOYEES FOR THE NEXT 30 YEARS. IF WE HIRE AN OUTSIDER WHEN THE PROJECT'S DONE THEY'RE GONE. YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE JUST MY FEELING ON IT. I UNDERSTAND YOU HAVE RUN BIG PROJECTS. I HAVE TOO. I WOULD JUST AS SOON GET OUT OF THE WAY AND LET A PRO

HANDLE THIS AND NOT HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT ALL THE DETAILS. >> SPEAKER: I MEAN, THE ENGINEERING SERVICES RIGHT NOW ARE ABOUT 20% OF THE OVERALL COSTS AND YOU ARE PROBABLY GOING TO ADD ABOUT 5% ON TOP OF IT WHERE YOU END UP WITH A PROGRAM MANAGER WHO IS GOING TO MANAGE

YOUR ENTIRE PROGRAM. SO. >> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: AT THE VERY LEAST I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF A SUNSET CLAUSE. THAT FIVE YEARS AND IT'S A DONE AND A VERY CLEAR EXPLANATION THERE'S NO GUARANTEE AFTER THOSE FIVE YEAR THAT IT IS A FIVE-YEAR NOT TEMPORARY BUT LIKE -- BECAUSE THAT'S THE PROBLEM I THINK THAT GOVERNMENT DOESN'T -- THEY'LL CREATE A NEED THEN THEY DON'T

CONTRACT BACK. >> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: ALL OF US WILL BE OFF THE --

>> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: ALL OF US WILL BE OFF THE BOARD AND NOBODY WILL REMEMBER THIS DISCUSSION.

>> SPEAKER: MR. CHAIRMAN. S >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: WE'RE WORKING ON ITEM D. WE NEED TO

PICK UP ITEM B AS IN BRAVO THEN WE'LL WORK BACK DOWN. >> COMMISSIONER CELLA: MY INTUITION IS ALWAYS TO LOOK TO THE PRIVATE SECTOR IN REGARDS TO MANAGING PROJECTS AND THAT KIND OF THING. WITH THAT IN MIND I DID TALK TO A COUPLE OF ENGINEERING FIRMS THAT ARE NOT IN THE AREA SO WHETHER THEY WOULD BE INTERESTED COMING INTO THE AREA OR NOT. QUITE HONESTLY THEY CHANGED MY MIND IN THE SENSE THAT THEY SAID YOU DON'T WANT TO HAVE AN ENGINEERING FIRM CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT FIRM TAKING THOSE PROJECTS ON. YOU REALLY WANT THE PERSON TO BE IN-HOUSE THAT MANAGE THOSE PROJECTS. AND THEY WENT THROUGH A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT REASONS WHY. THEY THOUGHT WE WOULD GET MORE BANG MORE OUR BUCK IF WE HAD SOMEBODY IN-HOUSE WATCHING THAT THAN GIVING IT OFF TO SOMEBODY ELSE. I MEAN, JUST THE 5 PERCENT OF $130 MILLION IS, WHAT, $6.5 MILLION JUST TO MANAGE. $292 TIMES FIVE YEARS IS ONLY $1.5 MILLION. IN THAT REGARD KNOW THERE IS A SAVINGS. IF THOSE NUMBERS HOLD TRUE AND I WOULD THINK DALE PROBABLY HAS A BETTER HANDLE ON THOSE THAN I DO. SO IT GOES COUNTER INTUITIVE TO WHAT -- BECAUSE I THOUGHT THE SAME WAY. YOU KNOW, LET'S GO OUTSIDE AND LET THEM DEAL WITH IT. BUT AFTER TALKING TO ENGINEERING FIRMS AND CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT FOLKS THEY SAID YOU ARE BETTER OFF WITH THE PERSON IN-HOUSE. YOU CAN HOLD THOSE PEOPLE TO TASK, MAKE SURE THEY'RE ON, YOU KNOW, TRACK TO DO SOMETHING AND THAT WOULD FALL DIRECTLY ON HOWARD ESPECIALLY IF YOU GO WITH THAT KIND OF ORGANIZATIONAL CHART. HE'D BE LOOKING AT A PROJECT ADMINISTRATOR. IN REGARDS TO THOSE PEOPLE BEING, YOU KNOW, SORT OF FOLDED INTO OUR REGULAR EMPLOYEE MIX ON A LONG-TERM BASIS, WE DIDN'T HAVE PROJECTS, THEY WOULDN'T HAVE A JOB. SO, THEY'D HAVE TO GO. SO, WHETHER IT'S SUN-SETTED OR THE JOB DESCRIPTION IS WRITTEN SPECIFICALLY FOR ROAD IMPROVEMENT PROJECT, YOU KNOW, 2020 OR WHATEVER THE DESIGNATION IS GOING TO BE, THAT COULD BE HANDLED IN TERMS OF THOSE FOLKS THAT WOULD BE TAKEN CARE OF THAT. IF THOSE THINGS ARE NOT

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CENTS. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: GOOD TWO CENTS.

>> COMMISSIONER CELLA: BUT I WOULD LIKE TO ASK IN TERMS OF THE NUMBERING ON THE SLIDE. SO, WE'RE MOVING COUNTERCLOCKWISE. WE HAVE ONE WITH COUNTY ROAD 218. SO, YOU ARE PRIORITIZING

IN TERMS OF THE START? >> SPEAKER: IN OTHER WORDS WE'D PUT ALL OF THOSE OUT. WE'VE GOT THE RFQS READY TO GO. WE WOULD PUT THEM OUT, EVALUATE, SELECT CONSULTANTS AND START THE DESIGN

PROCESS. >> COMMISSIONER CELLA: I UNDERSTAND THE DESIRE TO MOVE

THESE THINGS ALONG SO WE'RE WELL ALONG BEFORE WE EVEN GOT -- >> SPEAKER: AND I'VE GOT THE RFQS WRITTEN FOR THE OTHER THREE DEPENDING HOW THE INFRASTRUCTURE MEETING GOES.

>> COMMISSIONER CELLA: THE ONLY WAY 4 AND 5 AND 6 HAVE BEEN PUNCHED OFF BECAUSE WE'RE -- PUSHED OFF BECAUSE WE'RE CONSIDERING THIS ALTERNATIVE ROAD PROJECT IN TERMS OF THE APF

ROAD? >> SPEAKER: YES, SIR. >> COMMISSIONER CELLA: MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH WORKING ON 218 BECAUSE THAT'S DESPERATELY NEEDED TO MAKE PEOPLE COME OFF BLANDING THERE. I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH 220 FROM STATE ROAD 23 TO WEST OF HENDLEY BECAUSE WE DESPERATELY NEED THAT. ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS SIT IN 40 OR 50 CAR TRAFFIC BACK-UP TRYING TO GET THROUGH THE INTERSECTION A COUPLE TIMES TO KNOW THERE'S A PROBLEM THERE. I GUESS I'M DEBATING ON 220 AND GOING TO SIX LANES. JUST, YOU KNOW, IF WE DIDN'T HAVE A CONSIDERATION OF THESE OTHER ROADWAYS, WOULD WE HAVE A DIFFERENT PREFERENCE IN TERMS OF DESIGNATION OF ROADS? BECAUSE MY FEELING IS AND IT'S NOT EVEN MY DISTRICT BUT COMMI COMMISSIONER HENDRY'S DISTRICT, IN TERMS OF COUNTY ROAD 209 AND SAND RIDGE, THAT AREA I THINK COMMISSIONER HUTCHINGS SAID SHE HAD AN ACQUAINTANCE COUNT UP 200 CARS SITTING THERE TAKING A TURN. SO THAT'S MY CONCERN. YOU KNOW, GIVING US, YOU KNOW, OUTSIDE OF THE, YOU KNOW, WHERE ARE WE GOING TO HAVE TO GO FIRST TO RELIEVE SOME OF THOSE PROBLEMS THAT WE ALREADY HAVE? SO, YOU KNOW, WOULD IT STILL BE ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE, SIX GOING COUNTERCLOCKWISE. OR ONE THEN WE JUMP TO TAKE CARE OF SAND RIDGE. THAT WOULD BE MY CONCERN. ATTACK THE THINGS THAT ARE THE BIGGEST PROBLEMS AT THIS PARTICULAR TIME.

>> SPEAKER: AND I THINK TO ANSWER THAT TWOFOLDED. THE FIRST THREE THAT ARE WITHIN THE BRIEF THEY'RE HIGHLIGHTED GREEN AT THE TOP. THEY ALL HAVE SOME MONEYS ASSOCIATED WITH THEM IN SOME WAY. SO, THAT IS WHY IN ADDITION TO THAT WE WANTED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THOSE THREE TO PUT THE RFPS OUT HERE ON THE 16TH OF JANUARY. THE OTHER THREE, IT WILL JUST BE BY THE NEXT BOARD I WOULD IMAGINE WE COULD PRESENT THAT AND GET A CONSENSUS. MOVE FORWARD. ONCE WE HAVE ALL OF THESE OUT HERE, THEN AGAIN WE CON PRIORITIZE. THE FOCUS WOULD BE BY THE 25TH OF FEBRUARY TO GET ALL OF THE PROJECTS IDENTIFIED AND THEN PRIORITIZE THEM ALSO AT THAT BOARD MEETING SO THAT WE COULD MOVE FORWARD AND TACKLE THE HIGHEST CRITICAL ONES. WE COLORED THEM IN RED BECAUSE THEY'RE RED. THESE WERE THE FOUR WEST. THEN THE OTHER TWO IN PURPLE. SO WE COULD AGAIN REEVALUATE THAT ON THE 25TH AND THEN BRING IT TO THE BOARD AND GET CONSENSUS FOR APPROVAL ON WHAT ORDER YOU WOULD WANT TO DO IT. YOU COULD SAY I WANT TO DO TRULY HERE FIVE FIRST BECAUSE WE KNOW HOW THAT AREA IS THEN FOUR AND SIX. AND IT MAY HAVE THE ALTERNATE PROPOSALS SOMEHOW WOVEN INTO THERE. THEN OBVIOUSLY WE REALLY SHOULD FOCUS OUT TO THE WEST AND THE ONE THAT'S HIGHLIGHTED NUMBER ONE RIGHT NOW BECAUSE IT'S RED.

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UTILIZED TO HELP US OUT WITH THOSE. >> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: AMEN.

>> COMMISSIONER CELLA: I WOULD VOTE FOR 129 AND WITH HOLD THAT 7 OR 8 OR WHATEVER IT TURNS OUT TO BE IN TERMS OF THE CIP FOR THOSE PROJECTS THAT AREN'T COVERED WITH THIS.

>> SPEAKER: WHAT THE FULL PROPOSAL WAS TO TAKE 20 PERCENT OF OUR RESURFACING AND USE IT ON THE GATEWAY ROAD. OAK LEAF, TOWN CENTERS, THE MAIN ROADS BUILT WITHIN THE LAST 15 YEARS AND A MAJOR ROAD DETERIORATES FASTER THAN ALL THE OTHER ROADS. OUR PROBLEM IS OUR RESURFACING NEED IS SO BAD WE'RE RESERB FARCING ROADS IN THE 30S THAT ARE TERRIBLE. THE GATWAYS ARE IN THE 50S AND HIGH 40S. THEY NEED TO BE RESURFACED NOW BUT WE'RE DOING THE WORST FIRST. I WAS GOING TO BRING FORWARD TO TAKE 20 PERCENT OF THE MONEY AND USE IT ON GATEWAY ROADS. GIVE YOU A LIST OF GATEWAY ROADS. TAKE THE OTHER 80% AND DIVIDE IT AMONG THE FIVE COMMISSION DISTRICTS AND RANK THE ROADS WITHIN THE DISTRICT SO WE'RE WORKING ON THE WORST ONES.

BECAUSE, HONESTLY, MOST OF THE WORST ROAD ARE IN THE NORTHERN END OF THE COUNTY BECAUSE THAT WAS DEVELOPED FIRST. WE'RE DOING A REPAIR JOB ON A ROAD WEST OF BLANDING. THERE'S LESS THAN A QUARTER INCH OF ASPHALT. AND THERE ARE SO MANY PATCHES. OUR MAINTENANCE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO COME IN AND PUT A ONE INCH OVERLAY JUST TO COVER ALL THE PATCHES. I MEAN, IT'S PATCHED FROM ONE END TO THE OTHER. IT'S ALMOST AT THE POINT IT'S NON-DRIVABLE. BY THE TIME WE GET THOSE, THE OAK LEAFS, TOWN CENTERS, THE VILLAGE PARKWAYS, EAGLE HARBOR PARKWAY AND THE OTHER MAJOR ROADS, THEY WILL BE IN THAT CONDITION SIX, SEVEN YEARS FROM NOW, BY THE TIME WE GET TO THEM ON THE LIST. BECAUSE THEY'RE ALL ON THE LIST BUT THEY'RE RANKED IN HIGH 40S

AND LOW 50S. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: HAVE WE LOOKED AT THE ENGINEERING

STANDARDS AND WHY THESE ROADS ARE WEARING OUT SO FAST? >> SPEAKER: I THINK I TOLD YOU ON OAK LEAF PLANTATION WE DID CORES AND THE CORES CRUMBLED. I SENT IT TO AN ASPHALT EXPERT.

THEY SAID IT WAS A BAD DESIGN MIX. SO THAT'S WHY THE ROAD COMPACTED AND CRUMBLED THE WAY THAT IT DID. I'M SURE HAVING THE BELTWAY BUILT AND ALL THE DUMP TRUCKS RUN ON IT PROBABLY ACCELERATED THE PROCESS. WHAT OUR EXPERT SAID WAS THAT WAS A BAD DESIGN MIX.

>> COMMISSIONER CELLA: WE CAN CERTAINLY TAKE A LOOK AT THOSE. I WAS JUST CURIOUS AS TO WHETHER OR NOT WE COULD ATTACK THE ROADS AND THE CONGESTION, THE SITUATIONS THAT NEED IT THE MOST AND WE'LL DO THAT IN THE NEXT COUPLE WEEKS AFTER WE FIGURE OUT WHAT WE WANT TO DO WITH THE

ALTERNATE ROADWAYS AS YOU ARE CALLING THEM. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: CAN WE GO O IDENTIFIED, NOT NECESSARILY THE RANKING THERE OF OR THE PRIORITY, BUT CAN WE AGREE ON

THE PROJECTS THAT DALE HAS BROUGHT TO US? >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: I'LL MOVE WE TAKE THE TOP SIX PROJECTS LISTED AND MAKE THOSE OUR PRIORITY PROJECTS FOR THE

BOND ISSUE. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: A SECOND? >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: SECOND.

>> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: FURTHER DISCUSSION? >> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: COUPLE COMMENTS. WHEN WE DO REDO 218 CAN WE SMOOTH OUT THE TRANSITION BY OMEGA PARK THAT YOU GOT TO GO

UP BECAUSE WE RAN THE LINE AND THEN DID A LITTLE LIP? >> SPEAKER: YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT THE LINE THAT FAILED THAT I PATCHED? THAT WILL BE TAKEN CAE OF. BECAUSE, I MEAN, WE'RE SKINNY KICKING AVENUE ROADWAY THROUGH THERE. I TELL JEFF ABOUT IT ALL THE TIME. HE PUT ASPHALT IN THERE AND HE WAS ACTUALLY LETTING IT SETTLE. HE KNOWS HE'S GOT TO GO BACK AND

SMOOTH IT OUT. >> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: OKAY. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: WE HAVE A

MOTION-- >> HOLD ON. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: IF WE

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WANT TO KNOW WHAT WE'RE GOING TO SPEND THE MONEY ON. >> YOU CAN'T DO EXHIBIT A UNTIL THE BOARD AGREES ON THE PROJECTS THAT YOU WANT. SO, IN CONNECTION WITH THE MOTION THE SIX THAT RIGHT NOW WOULD BE INCLUDED ON THAT EXHIBIT A ARE THESE SIX.

>> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: SO THESE WILL BE BAKED INTO THE BOND ISSUE UNLESS WE CHANGE IT BEFORE

FEBRUARY 24TH. ALL RIGHT. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION SAY AYE. AYE.

OPPOSED? SO, DONE. ITEM C ENGAGEMENT LETTER. COURTNEY? >> COUNTY ATTORNEY: AS YOU WILL REALIZE FROM THE BONDING PROJECT AND THE RESOLUTION THAT'S BEEN PRESENTED, THE COUNTY HAS TO AS PART OF THE ISSUANCE WILL NEED TO BE RATED BY A CREDIT AGENCY AND IN CONNECTION WITH THAT THE FINANCIAL MANAGER HAS PROPOSED TO BE RATED BY TWO DIFFERENT ENTITIES FITCH AND S & P. IN CONNECTION WITH THAT AS YOU WILL HAVE SEEN ON YOUR TIMELINE THE -- THEY WILL BE DISTRIBUTING INFORMATION TO THESE RATING AGENCIES AND SETTING UP THE AGENCY CALLS RELATIVELY SOON.

AND BEFORE THE RATING AGENCIES WILL TAKE ANY ACTION THEY DO REQUIRE THE COUNTY TO ENTER INTO AN ENGAITSMENT WITH BOTH OF THEM. IN CONNECTION WITH THAT, WHAT IS DIFFERENT ABOUT THE RATING AGENCIES IS THAT ENTERING INTO THIS AGREEMENT IS NOT CONTINGENT ON WHETHER OR NOT THE BONDS ARE ISSUED. SO, ONCE THE AGREEMENTS ARE ENTERED INTO, THE COUNTY IS ON THE HOOK FOR PAYMENT OF THE FEES REQUIRED BY THE RATING AGENCIES. WE HAVE RECEIVED THE FEE ESTIMATES FOR BOTH OF THEM WILL BE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF 70 TO $75,000 FOR EACH. SO WHAT WE ARE LOOKING FOR IS FROM THE BOARD, ONE, WE WANTED YOU TO KNOWLEDGE WE'LL BE MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS AND IT'S NOT CONTINGENT. THAT IT WILL BE A RESPONSIBILITY OF THE BOARD. BUT ALSO ONCE THEY SEND US THE LETTER, AUTHORIZATION FOR CHAIRMAN HENDRY TO SIGN ON YOUR BEHALF AND TO THE EXTENT THE PURCHASING POLICY WOULD APPLY AT ALL TO AGREE THAT THAT WOULD BE WAIVED.

IT'S REALLY A TIMING ISSUE. AS PART OF A PROCESS THERE'S NOT THE TIME TO RECEIVE THE DOCUMENTS MOVE IT FORWARD THROUGH FINANCE AND THE BOARD AND GET BACK BEFORE THEY CAN EVEN HAVE THE RATING CALLS AND EVERYTHING DONE IN CONNECTION WITH THE TIMELINE.

>> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: THIS FEE, IS IT REIMBURSABLE? >> COUNTY ATTORNEY: YES, SIR.

IT WILL BE IN CONNECTION WITH THE RESOLUTION THAT THE BOARD JUST RECENTLY PASS. IT WILL BE PAID FOR OUT OF THE PROCEEDS. ASSUMING WE MOVE FORWARD. IF YOU DON'T, THEN HOWARD HAS TO

FIND THE MONEY. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT $150,000?

>> COUNTY ATTORNEY: APPROXIMATELY. >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: IF YOU THINK OF IT IN TERMS OF WHAT DO YOU GET IN RETURN FOR THAT, THE ANTICIPATION THAT IS WE'RE GOING TO BE HIGHLY RATED. WHICH MEANS THAT OUR INTEREST RATE IS GOING TO BE REALLY GOOD. SO, THERE'S A TRADEOFF, IF YOU WILL, IF YOU PUT OUT THIS MONEY FOR GETTING THE RATING AND IN RETURN YOU ARE

GOING TO SAVE MONEY ON THE INTEREST. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: WE'RE

GOING TO SAVE A TON [LAUGHTER] >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: GOT A

GET A LOW RATE OVER THOSE 30 OR 20 YEARS, IS HOWEVER LONG IT IS. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: IT LOOKS LIKE THE WHOLE IDEA THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT IS TIED TO THIS. THIS IS A LINCHPIN. WE EITHER DO IT AND GET IT OR WE DON'T DO IT AND DON'T GET IT. IS THAT FAIR TO SAY?

>> SPEAKER: CORRECT. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: QUESTIONS. >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: IN THE

MOTION YOU NEED US TO WAIVE THE PURCHASING POLICY? >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: IT WILL JUST BRING BACK AN INTEREST RATE? SO, WE CAN FIGURE OUT WHAT THIS THING IS REALLY GOING TO COST OR AT LEAST HAVE A BETTER INDICATION WHAT IT'S GOING TO COST. WE EXPECT IT WILL BE LOW. IF IT'S NOT WE MAY HAVE TO RETHINK WHAT WE'RE DOING.

>> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: CHAIRMAN, I'LL MOVE THAT WE ACCEPT THE ENGAGEMENT LETTER WITH THE RATING AGENCY AND THAT IN DOING THAT IT'S IN LIEU OF WAIVING THE PURCHASING POLICY AND THEREBY AUTHORIZING YOU TO SIGN ON BEHALF OF THE BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS THE ENGAGEMENT..

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>> COUNTY ATTORNEY: AND IT BILL BE TWOLET LETTERS. >> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: SECOND.

>> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: FURTHER DISCUSSION OR QUESTIONS? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. OPPOSED? SO, DONE. MOVING ON TO ITEM D, PROJECT MANAGEMENT. WE WORE THAT OUT EARLIER. I'M NOT SURE

IF WE'RE CLOSER TO A DECISION. >> SPEAKER: JUST LOOKING FOR GUIDANCE MR. CHAIRMAN. AGAIN, I HAVE THE JOB DESCRIPTIONS READY TO GO FOR THIS. AND WE COULD START LOOKING. WE CAN INTERVIEW CANDIDATES AND I CAN REPORT BACK WHAT HAPPENS IN THE NEXT TWO WEEKS LOOKING FOR THESE

POSITIONS AND BRIEF YOU ALL. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: DO WE HAVE ANY BUFFER TIME ON THIS, HOWARD?

OR IS THIS SOMETHING -- >> SPEAKER: NOT MUCH. I MEAN, THE TWO WEEKS ALREADY, YOUR KNOW, EVERY WEEK THAT GOES BY ON IT IT DEFINITELY NEEDS THAT ATTENTION. AND I'LL TALK TO KAREN ABOUT THEN TAKING A LOOK AT THIS AND PUTTING IT OUT TO BID IF WE WANTED TO HAVE A COMPANY MANAGEMENT FOR US. THAT'S GOING TO TAKE -- THAT'S GOING TO OBVIOUSLY TAKE AT LEAST SIX WEEKS I WOULD IMAGINE IF NOT EIGHT WEEKS TO GET THAT FIRM ON BOARD. BUT, YOU KNOW --

>> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: DOES YOUR DOCTOR HAVE AN A OR C? [LAUGHTER]

>> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: WILL THREES THREE POSITIONS BE PE'S? >> SPEAKER: YES, MA'AM. HELP ME. JUST THE ONE. THE ADMINISTRATOR. THE OTHER TWO, NO. AND THE OTHER WAS A QUESTION DID COME UP AND THAT REMINDED ME ABOUT WHETHER THEIR SALARIES WOULD ALSO FALL WITHIN THE BOND FUNDING ALSO. AND THE ANSWER IS YES. THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT WE STRUGGLED A LITTLE BIT AT FIRST WITH OUR OUTSIDE AUDITOR BUT HE MET WITH MIKE AND WE CAN USE BONDING

MONEYS TO PAY FOR THESE SALARIES ALSO. >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: MIKE SAID YES? OH WOW [LAUGHTER] JUST GIVING YOU A HARD TIME [LAUGHTER] COUNTY ATTORNEY: ALSO THE BOARD'S BOND COUNSEL AGREED WITH

MIKE. >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: WHEN YOU ARE RIGHT YOU ARE RIGHT.

RIGHT, MIKE? [LAUGHTER] >> SPEAKER: BUT THAT ALSO MAY

COME INTO PLAY MAKING THAT DECISION. >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: I SAY FOR MYSELF WITH THE DIRECTION THE COUNTY IS GOING ON I DON'T THINK IT IS A BAD THING WE WOULD HAVE ANOTHER P.E. ON STAFF. I MEAN, WE'RE GOING TO MORE NOT LESS WORK GOING DOWN THE ROAD.

SO, I SEE A BENEFIT TO THAT. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: I WAS IMPRESSED BY THE LEVEL OF RESEARCH MR. CELLA DID. I'M SURE HE TALKED TO THE RIGHT PEOPLE BUT THAT SOUNDED LIKE GOOD INFORMATION THAT WE NEED TO HAVE IN MAKING A DECISION ALONG THESE LINES. BUT I ALSO HEARD COMMISSIONER BOLLA WHEN HE SAID THAT HE THOUGHT IT WAS BEST TO GO OUTSIDE. SO, I DON'T KNOW IF

I WOULD RESOLVE THAT. >> COMMISSIONER: SELL IF >> COMMISSIONER CELLA: HOW WOULD WE GO OUT TO START THE RECRUITING PROCESS IN TERMS OF ADVERTISING. IS THAT SOMETHING WE COULD DO THEN IN-HOUSE CAN WE HAVE THE COUNTY MANAGER TALK TO FIRMS TO GET HIS READ ON WHAT THE ESTIMATES WOULD BE WITHOUT AN OFFICIAL RFP THEN WE COULD CHANGE THAT?

>> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: WHY DON'T WE JUST PUT OUT AN RFP AND CONCURRENTLY START POKING AROUND AND TALKING TO PEOPLE AND SEE WHAT THE DEAL'S GOING TO COST IN A MONTH, TWO MONTHS WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE RIGHT ANSWER WITH BOTH NUMBERS. I HAVEN'T CHANGED MY MIND. I THINK IT IS A REALLY BAD IDEA FOR US TO DO THAT IN-HOUSE. THIS IS A REALLY BIG DEAL HERE FOR US.

>> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT PREVIOUS PROJECTS WE'VE DONE. FOR INSTANCE, HENDLEY ROAD. DIDN'T WE HAVE AN OUTSIDE PERSON HANDLE HENDLEY ROAD?

>> COUNTY ATTORNEY: KAREN WILL HAVE TO HELP ME BECAUSE A LOT OF US WEREN'T HERE. WITH THE LAST BONDING PROJECT WE DID NOT HAVE A CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT ENTITY THAT OVERSAW EVERYTHING. WE HIRED SEPARATE ENGINEERING FIRMS TO DO THE DESIGN AND THEN HIRED THE CONTRACTORS OURSELVES. THE ONLY PROJECT THAT I THINK WE'RE AWARE OF WHERE THERE WAS A CONSTRUCTION MANAGER WAS THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE COURTHOUSE. AND YOU HAD A CONTRACTOR WHO THEN THEY THEMSELVES HIRED THE

ARCHITECT, ENGINEER AND CONTRACTOR. >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: IS THAT CONSIDERED DESIGN BUILD? OKAY. WILL THESE BE DESIGN BUILD?

>> COUNTY ATTORNEY: I GUESS THAT'S DEPENDENT OF YOUR SCOPE. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: IT IS A ROAD. WE HAVE SPECS AND EVERYTHING. WE JUST TELL THEM THIS IS WHAT WE WANT. I'M MORE

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>> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: WAIT A MINUTE I HADN'T HEARD ABOUT THE TAJ MAHAL.

>> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: THAT'S AT THE END OF THE RAINBOW. [LAUGHTER]

>> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: TO CLARIFY WE ARE NOT BUILDING A TAJ MAHAL. COMMISSIONER BOLLA WAS JOKING [LAUGHTER] I THINK FOR PURPOSES OF YOUR DISCUSSION DALE AND KAREN WERE READY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH HANDING OUT THE RFQS IN CONNECTION WITH THE FIRST THREE PROJECTS BUT IF THE BOARD IS LEANING TOWARDS WANTING A CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT FIRM WE NEED TO PUT THAT ON HOLD. THEY WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK TO DRAFTING THE REQUEST FOR THAT, SEND THAT OUT AND GET THAT PREPARED AND THEN MOVE FORWARD

IN THAT DIRECTION. >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: WHAT'S THE TIMELINE ON GETTING ALL THAT

PREPARED? THAT'S A LOT OF WORK. >> COUNTY ATTORNEY: ON THE THREE THAT WE HAVE WE ARE READY TO -- IT WILL BE IN THE PAPER ON THU THURSDAY, FEBRUARY 20TH DUE BACK, THE 24TH. THEN BE BROUGHT FORWARD FOR YOU TO LOOK AT AND CHOOSE FOR THE THREE DIFFERENT PROJECTS. THEN WITH RESPECT TO IF WE WANTED TO START OVER THEN WE WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD WHICH I WOULD ASSUME WOULD TAKE YOU A COUPLE OF WEEKS? TWO WEEKS. AND THEN WE WOULD MOVE FORWARD WITH ADVER ADVERTISING.

>> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: SO IT'S GOING TO COST TWO WEEKS. >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: MORE

THAN THAT BECAUSE YOU GOT ADVERTISING TIME. >> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: QUICK QUESTION FOR THE CHAIR. FOR THE COUNTY ATTORNEY. IS THERE FROM A LIABILITY STANDPOINT IF SOMETHING LIKE HENDLEY ROAD HAPPENED IS THERE LIABILITY -- THE COMPANY THAT'S MANAGING IT,

DO THEY HAVE ANY LIABILITY? DOES IT GIVE US ANY ADDED PROTECTION? >> COUNTY ATTORNEY: WELL YOUR CONTRACT WOULD BE JUST WITH THAT ONE ENTITY. SO, LITIGATION WOULD BE AGAINST THAT ENTITY.

THEY WOULD BRING IN ALL THE OTHERS. >> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: OBVIOUSLY HENDLEY ROAD LITIGATION WAS SUPER COMPLEX AND THEY WERE ALL PASSING THE BUCK AND WHO WAS WHO. SO THAT'S ONE ADVANTAGE I THINK WE'D GET FROM AN OUTSIDE COMPANY TOO. BUT I HEAR BOTH SIDES. IF WE LOOK AT THE DESIGN BUILD PROCESS THAT REQUIRES A SEPARATE RFQ TO HIRE AN ENGINEER THAT WOULD ACT ON BEHALF OF THE COUNTY TO PUT THE BID TOGETHER FOR THE DESIGN BUILD TEAM. THAT IS DICTATED BY STATUTE. SO THAT'S JUST AN ADDED PROCESS THAT WOULD HAVE TO

HAPPEN UP FRONT. >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: AND THE ONE YOU HAVE READY IS FOR

SOMEBODY? >> TO SELECT AN ENGINEERING FIRM TO BEGIN THE DESIGN PROCESS.

>> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: MR. CHAIR DO YOU MIND DIRECTING AUTO. HE KEEPS YELLING OUT.

>> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: I DON'T KNOW WHO YOU ARE TALKING TO BUT CEASE YOUR CONVERSATION. ONE MORE VIOLATION AND YOU WILL BE GOING OUT THE FRONT DOOR. SO, BE ADVISED. YES, MA'AM? I'M SORRY WE'RE NOT ENTERTAINING QUESTIONS FROM THE AUDIENCE AT THIS POINT. UNDER PUBLIC COMMENT IF YOU WISH

TO COME UP AND SPEAK IT WOULD BE FINE. MA'AM? >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: CAN I GO UP THERE AND ASK SOMEONE. MAYBE THEY WOULD HAVE THE ANSWER. BECAUSE I CAN'T STAY THE WHOLE

TIME. >> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: SOME STAFF MEMBER MIGHT HAVE THE

ANSWER. YEAH. >> SPEAKER: JUST WANTED TO EXPLAIN THE DESIGN PROCESS. IF

YOU LOOK AT A DESIGN BUILD PROCESS. >> SPEAKER: IF WE'RE GOING TO PUT IT OUT THAT WOULD BE ONE THING. IF WE'RE PUTTING OUT AN RFQ JUST TO GO FISHING, THERE'S

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SO WE NEED TO MAKE A DECISION ONE WAY OR THE OTHER TO BE FAIR WITH THE COMMUNITY.

>> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: GOOD POINT. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: I'M AT A LOSS TO MAKE ANY SUGGESTION ON HOW TO MOVE ON THIS. WE'VE GOT TWO OR THREE IDEAS FLOATING

AROUND. ANYONE THAT FEELS SO MOVED, SPEAK UP. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: WELL, WE CAN LOOK TO SEE IF WE CAN HIRE PEOPLE. I MEAN, IF WE DO, IF WE LET THE THREE DESIGNS OUT, DOES THAT MEAN THAT THE MANAGING COMPANY CAN'T USE THAT DESIGN? I SUSPECT IT WILL BE BECAUSE WE WANT TO LET THEM HOOK THEIR OWN ROPE UP RIGHT. SO, I DON'T KNOW ANY OTHER WAY AROUND THIS. I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH TIME WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IF WE DO A REAL BID

>> 45 DAYS. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: OKAY. HOW LONG IS IT GOING TO DO TO DO

THE FULL DESIGN? >> SPEAKER: DALE? >> TO DO THE FULL DESIGN?

>> HOW LONG WOULD IT TAKE. >> SPEAKER: EACH PROJECT IS GOING TO BE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. THE SMALLEST PROJECT IN THE GROUP WHICH IS THE 209 FROM U.S. 17 TO 315B BECAUSE IT WILL TAKE QUITE A BIT OF COORDINATION WITH THE RAILROAD, THAT COULD BE ONE OF THE LONGER LEAD TIMES BECAUSE WE'D HAVE TO HAVE EVERY DETAIL WORKED OUT. I'M SURE A NEW OPERATING AGREEMENT WITH THE RAILROAD AND ALL OF THAT. THE OTHER ONE FROM 209 TO SAND RING RIDGE, IT'S GOT A BRIDGE. THAT'S A LEVEL OF COMPLEXITY. THOSE ARE TO ME PROBABLY THE TWO PROJECTS THAT I WOULD LOOK AT THAT WOULD PROBABLY TAKE THE LONGEST AMOUNT OF TIME. AND THAT'S WHY, YOU KNOW, MY PLAN WAS TO START, YOU KNOW, PUT THEM AT THE STARTING LINE AT THE SAME TIME TO START AND LET THE LITTLE DESIGN PECULIAR AIRTIES DICTATE WHEN THEY GO OUT TO BID. NOT TO HAVE PRIORITY BECAUSE THE MONEY IS GOING TO BE THERE THE FIRST JOB THAT IS READY TO GO OUT TO BID.

IF IT WAS YOUR FOURTH PRIORITY WHY WOULD YOU WANT IT TO SIT FOR THREE, FOUR, FIVE MONTHS OR A YEAR? YOU KNOW, BEFORE YOU PUT THAT OUT. IF YOU ARE GOING TO STAGGER YOUR PROJECTS LIKE THAT, YOU WOULD THEN REALLY WANT TO STAGGER THE DESIGN SO YOUR DESIGN DID NOT GO STALE.

BECAUSE IN A YEAR A LOT OF THINGS HAPPEN IN A RIGHT-OF-WAY. RIGHT-OF-WAYS ARE NEVER STAGNANT. WE RUN THROUGH PERMITS EVERY DAY FOR MORE UTILITIES BURIED UNDERGROUND THINGS. SO, YOUR PLANS GET OLD AND GUESS WHAT YOU ARE GOING TO DO. YOU ARE GOING TO PAY TO FRESHEN THEM UP AGAIN. SO, YOU ARE GOING TO PAY MORE ENGINEERING COSTS. THAT'S WHY I THOUGHT WE WOULD, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY PUT THEM OUT TO BID AS THEY WERE FINISHED.

>> SPEAKER: IF I MIGHT ADD ON YOUR GANT CHARTS YOU HAVE THE DESIGN PHASE ON ALL OF THESE PROJECTS AT A MINIMUM OF AT LEAST 14 MONTHS. AND THEN AS COMPLEXITY GOES TO THERE IT

COULD BE 16, 18 MONTHS FOR DESIGN. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A 30, 40 DAY DELAY AND AN 18 MONTH PROCESS? THAT SEEMS NOT PARTICULARLY

SIGNIFICANT COMPARED TO WHAT'S AT STAKE TO ME. >> COMMISSIONER CELLA: TO IS IT THE THOUGHT THAT A SINGLE COMPANY WOULD COME IN AND MANAGE ALL OF THEM? OR ARE WE GOING TO HAVE DIFFERENT COMPANIES. IN OTHER WORDS ARE ALL THREE OF THE POSITIONS THAT PROPOSED TO THE PROJECT ADMINISTRATOR, PROJECT MANAGER AND PROJECT MANAGER, THOSE WOULD BE REPLACED OR ARE WE STILL GOING HAVE TO HAVE SOMEBODY THAT IS GOING TO WORK WITH THE CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT

COMPANIES? >> SPEAKER: WELL YOU WOULD HAVE -- THE WAY AT LEAST I THINK I'VE UNDERSTOOD IT YOU WOULD HAVE ONE -- IT'S NOT REALLY A CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT IT IS A WHOLE PROGRAM MANAGEMENT. BECAUSE IT IS THE DESIGN, THE RIGHT-OF-WAY ACQUISITION, THE PERMITTING, AND THE CONSTRUCTION. SO, YOU WOULD HAVE ONE OVERALL FIRM JUST MANAGING ALL THOSE PIECES AND PARTS. SO, YOU WOULD HAVE ONE FIRM TO DO THAT. YOU WOULD HAVE TO HAVE ONE COUNTY EMPLOYEE. WOULDN'T BE A FULL-TIME JOB. IT COULD BE. MANAGING THAT CONSTRUCTION. BECAUSE PAYMENTS ARE GOING TO HAVE TO BE MADE. YOU KNOW, THE REVIEW IS, YOU

KNOW, THERE'S STILL GOING TO BE QUITE A BIT OF REVIEW IN-HOUSE. >> COMMISSIONER CELLA: WE'RE STILL GOING TO NEED A PROJECT ADMINISTRATOR WHETHER IT'S IN-HOUSE OR WHATEVER, CAN WE MOVE FORWARD AND ADVERTISE THAT AND IN THE MEANTIME DO OUR RFP TO LOOK AT THE REST OF THAT?

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>> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: IT COULD AFTER THE RFQ WE DON'T GET ANY RESPONSES. COULD GET STUPID ONES. WE'RE GOING TO NEED ONE PERSON LIKE CHIEF MOCK TO BE THE PROJECT MANAGER

[LAUGHTER] >> COMMISSIONER CELLA: IN ALL FAIRNESS THE CHIEF HAS WON THE PROJECT MANAGER HAT BEFORE. I THINK THE CHIEF JUST TEXTED HIS RETIREMENT [LAUGHTER] BUT I WOULD SUGGEST AS SORT OF A COMPROMISE. IT ALLOWS OUR HUMAN RESOURCE TO LOOK FOR A PERSON THAT SHE FEELS IS QUALIFIED THAT CAN TAKE ON THE MANAGEMENT. IF WE DO THE RFP IT GIVES US IDEA WHETHER THAT'S GOING TO WORK AND WE CAN MOVE IN EITHER DIRECTION

OR BOTH DIRECTIONS. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: GOOD COMMENT. COMMISSION CELLA I CAN'T ANY OTHERWAY OTHERWISE WE'LL BE HERE PAST COMMISSIONER HENDRY'S BEDTIME.

>> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: WE ARE [LAUGHTER] DO WE NEED TO VOTE ON THIS

PARTICULAR ITEM AS FAR AS WHICH DIRECTION WE'RE GOING? >> NO JUST PROVIDING ME THE

GUIDANCE. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: DO YOU HAVE SUFFICIENT GUIDANCE?

>> SPEAKER: I DO. IF I COULD SUMMARIZE IT TO MOVE FORWARD. I'LL TAKE THE JOB DESCRIPTION FOR THE PROJECT ADMINISTRATOR, THE HIGHEST ONE THERE, WHICH WOULD ENCOMPASS A P.E. AS COMMISSIONER HUTCHINGS MENTIONED AND WE'LL GO OUT AND SEARCH. AT THE SAME TIME, IN PARALLEL TO THAT WE'LL PREPARE AN RFP/RFQ FOR A COMPANY TO OVERSEE ALL SIX PROJECTS. WE'LL DELAY ON PUTTING OUT THE RFP FOR THE FIRST THREE SO THERE'S NO CONFLICT OF INTEREST OR ANY QUESTION ABOUT THAT. THAT DELAY COULD BE UP TO FOUR WEEKS TO SIX WEEKS MAX, WELL MAYBE EIGHT.

BUT IT WOULD BE A DELIGHT DELAY HERE -- SLIGHT DELAY SO WE WOULD HAVE EVERYTHING ON THE TABLE WITH REGARDS TO HAVE AN OUTSIDE FIRM MANAGE ALL SIX PROJECTS. THEN WE CAN ALWAYS HIRE THE PROJECT MANAGERS, THE OTHER TWO, THAT WOULD REPORT TO THE ADMINISTRATOR, THAT PERSON PROBABLY WOULD WANT TO HAVE SAY ON WHO THEY WOULD BE WORKING FOR THEM AND REPORTING TO THAT. SO,

I THINK I'VE GOT CLEAR GUIDANCE ON THAT AND IF THERE'S ANY OTHER >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: THAT SOUNDS LOGICAL. I THINK WE HAVE SOME PIECE OF CONSENSUS HERE ON THIS. WE WON'T NEED TO VOTE ON IT.

SO, WE'LL WAIT ON HOWARD TO GET BACK TO US ON THAT. I THANK THE -- COUNTY ATTORNEY?

>> COUNTY ATTORNEY: WE DO HAVE TWO REPRESENTATIVES HERE FROM THE UNDERWRITERS, MARK SEAL AND THEIR COUNSEL, CHELSEA LABOR. SO, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I MEAN, THEY DID MAKE A TRIP HERE JUST TO MAKE SURE THEY COULD ANSWER ANYTHING THAT YOU MAY HAVE.

>> COMMISSIONER CELLA: MAYBE WE COULD GET EITHER ONE OR BOTH TO GIVE US SORT OF A THUMBNAIL AS TO WHAT THE BOND MARKET LOOKS LIKE AND WHAT THEY'RE ANTICIPATING THAT WE MIGHT BE

ABLE TO EXPECT AS WE MOVE DOWN THIS TIMELINE. >> SPEAKER: GOOD AFTERNOON.

MARK SEAL WITH UBS. I WAS HERE REPRESENTING THE PEOPLE THAT NORMALLY WORK WITH YOU, DAVID MOFFETT AND MARGARET MISS CONNOR. I'M FROM SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS, MOST OF THE BOND ISSUES I DO ARE IN THE TEXAS AREA BUT CAME TO COVER FOR THEM THIS EVENING. BUT THE MARKET IS PRETTY INCREDIBLE RIGHT NOW. WE HAVE A LOT OF INFLOWS. THERE'S BEEN BILLIONS OF DOLLARS, MONEY AM COOING INTO THE MUNICIPAL MARKET OVER THE LAST SEVERAL WEEKS. WE'VE SEEN RATES KIND OF GO UP A LITTLE BIT TOWARDS THE END OF DECEMBER. THEY CAME BACK EARLY IN JANUARY. WE'RE PRETTY MUCH A 40-YEAR HISTORICAL LOW. S, COULDN'T THINK OF A BETTER TIME TO ISSUE DEBT THAN RIGHT

NOW. >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: WHAT WE WANT TO HEAR.

>> COMMISSIONER CELLA: THANK YOU SIR. I APPRECIATE THAT. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: DOES THAT

ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? >> COMMISSIONER CELLA: HELPED. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: ARE WE DONE WITH THIS ITEM? LAST CALL. MOVING ON TO NEW BUSINESS. 9, FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE AND CONSUMER SERVICES -- NOPE. YOU ARE RIGHT. PLANNING AND ZONING.

[8.  First Public Hearing to Amend Land Development Code to Add RV and Boat Storage to IA and IB Zoning Districts]

>> SPEAKER: THIS IS REAL QUICK. THIS IS A FIRST READING TO A STAFF PROPOSAL TO AMEND THE LAND

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AS YOU CAN SEE RIGHT NOW RV AND BOAT STORAGE IS ONLY ALLOWED IN BB2, 3, 4 AND PID. I NOTE TO YOU THAT ST. JOHNS COUNTY DOES IDENTIFY BOAT AND RV STORAGE AS LIGHT AND INDUSTRIAL USE AND THEY DO ALLOW IN THEIR INDUSTRIAL WAREHOUSING AND HEAVY ZONING DISTRICTS. WE DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S ANY INCOMPATIBILITIES THAT WOULD BE CREATED. THIS IS FIRST READING SO NO ACTION IS NECESSARY TONIGHT. BUT THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING.

>> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: GO AHEAD. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: SO WE'RE GOING TO --

>> COMMISSIONER CELLA: SO WE'RE GOING TO MIMIC THE ST. JOHNSES? >> SPEAKER: WE'VE HAD A NUMBER OF REQUESTS FROM CITIZENS AND LAND OWNERS WHO HAVE INDUSTRIAL LAND THAT WOULD LIKE TO DO THIS OR THEY DON'T HAVE IT BUT WOULD LIKE TO REZONE TO SOMETHING THAT MAKES SENSE. SO WE HAD HAD A NUMBER OF REQUESTS FROM PEOPLE THAT HAD INDUSTRIAL LAND BUT COULDN'T DO THIS RIGHT NOW.

>> COMMISSIONER CELLA: IN TERMS OF REQUIREMENTS FOR THEM, I KNOW WE HAVE ONE RIGHT HERE IN GREEN COVE AREA AROUND 17. DO WE REQUEST THAT SOLID SURFACE THE PARKING?

>> IT WOULD HAVE TO MEET THE CONDITIONIAL USE REQUIREMENTS ALREADY. CONDITIONAL USES WE HAVE CONDITIONS THEY WOULD HAVE TO MEET -- BUFFERING PAVEMENT AND STUFF LIKE THAT. SO, THEY'D HAVE TO MEET THE ONES IN THERE RIGHT NOW. EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE INDUSTRIAL, YEP.

>> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: IT WOULD SEEM TO MAKE SENSE. IF YOU HAVE INDUSTRIAL PROPERTY AND CAN'T GET SOMEBODY TO USE IT AS INDUSTRIAL PROPERTY RIGHT NOW THIS GIVES THEM A MEANS TO GENERATE SOME INCOME FROM THAT THAT COULD GO AWAY LATER IF A REAL INDUSTRIAL USE -- I'M KIND OF COVE ATUSS OF GIVING AWAY OUR INDUSTRIAL PROPERTY IN CLAY COUNTY. WE DON'T HAVE THAT MUCH. IF WE'RE EVER GOING TO GET ANY REAL JOBS COMING IN HERE, WE NEED TO KEEP THAT FOR THAT. BUT THIS I SEE -- I THINK THE BOATS COULD GO AWAY IF SOMEBODY CAME IN AND WANTED TO USE THAT. THERE'S REALLY NO PERMANENT CONSTRUCTION THERE THAT WOULD PREVENT THAT. SO, I THINK THIS IS A GOOD APPLICATION. ALTHOUGH A FENCE AROUND IT, YOU KNOW --

>> SPEAKER: THAT DOES NOT MEET OUR CODE. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: THAT'S A

MESS AS YOU DRIVE INTO TOWN. >> SPEAKER: IT WOULD HAVE TO HAVE A BUFFER ACCORDING TO OUR

STANDARDS. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: WE'LL OPEN TO PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM.

DOES ANYONE WANT TO SPEAK? >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: JAMES AUTO, SEX AND BUDS, CLAY COUNTY FLORIDA HOTELS. I'D HAVE SOME PICTURES BUT I WAS REFUSED PICTURES AND VIDEO BY THE ATTORNEY I HEAR. BUT I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE, I THINK IT STARTED WITH SAL. BUT I'D LIKE TO BE

ABLE TO PRESENT PICTURES AND AUDIO/VIDEO. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: ARE YOU

SPEAKING TO THE ITEM ON THE AGENDA? >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: YES, SIR, I AM. I WOULD LIKE TO PUT PICTURES UP BUT I WAS REFUSED BY THE ATTORNEY. I THINK WE NEED TO RELOOK AT THAT. I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT CAME FROM. I'D LIKE TO BRING THE ATTENTION TO DOCTOR'S INLET AND YOU ALL HAD A PLAN BROUGHT IN FRONT OF YOU AND YOU TURNED IT DOWN. BUT, I MEAN, REALLY YOU EVER GOING TO NEED TO HAVE A BUNCH OF RV PARKS WITH THE $45 MILLION. BECAUSE IT STARTED AT 16 TO $12 MILLION IN INTEREST. YOU ADDED $10 MILLION TO THE $120 MILLION AND NOW YOU ARE AT $45 MILLION IN INTEREST. SO IT'S KIND OF LIKE THE ALCOHOL THING. I MEAN,

YOU KIND OF DO WHAT YOU WANT. >> COMMISSIONER CELLA: IT'S NOT ABOUT THE AMENDMENT.

>> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT, SIR? >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: I'M TALKING

ABOUT THE RV PARKS. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: THIS IS NOT AN RV PARK WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RV STORAGE. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: YOU CAN'T LIVE IN A STORAGE UNIT. SO WE BETTER GET SOME RV PARKS OUT THERE FOR THAT $45 MILLION INTEREST.

>> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: THAT'S A DIFFERENT TOPIC. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: YES, SIR.

WELL I APOLOGIZE BECAUSE I THOUGHT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT LIVING ARRANGEMENTS.

>> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: NO SIR. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: I HOPE YOU DON'T PUT THAT RV STORAGE NEXT TO MY PLACE. BECAUSE I WOULDN'T WANT TO LOOK AFT IT. I KNOW I GO BY THAT ONE ON 17 ALL THE TIME AND IT JUST LOOKS LIKE AN EYESORE. MAYBE THEY SHOULD PARK THEM IN THEIR BACKYARD. I THINK THAT WOULD BE A BETTER IDEA. MAYBE BEHIND THE GARAGE IN THE FRONT YARD. OKAY. I'LL LEAVE

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IT AT THAT. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: OKAY. THANK YOU, SIR. ALL RIGHT. THE PLEASURE OF THE BOARD? WE'RE NOT VOTING ON THIS. THIS WILL BE ANOTHER -- WE'LL VOTE ON THIS AT

OUR NEXT MEETING IS THAT CORRECT IN >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THE STORAGE? HEARING NONE, WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT. MOVING ON TO ITEM 9.

[9.  Florida Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services (FDACS) Financial Assistance Agreement-Fairgrounds Exhibition Hall Renovation]

>> SPEAKER: HAPPY TO BRING BEFORE YOU A FINANCIAL ASSISTANT AGREEMENT FROM FDA C IN THE AMOUNT OF $500,000. IT'S FOR RENOVATIONS AND IMPROVEMENTS TO THE FAIRGROUND EXHIBIT BUILDINGS. THIS PLAN IS IN LINE WITH OUR MASTER PLAN THAT WE HAVE IN PLACE. THE RENOVATIONS WILL INCLUDE ADDING A KITCHEN AND RESTROOM TO THE EXHIBIT BUILDING, DOING SOME ENERGY EFFICIENT UPGRADE TECHNOLOGY UPGRADES, TO MAKE THE FACILITIES MORE USER-FRIENDLY FOR OUR CURRENT USER GROUPS AND HOPEFULLY BRING IN ADDITIONAL USER GROUPS. HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. THIS IS A RESULT OF THE GRANT APPLICATION THAT DR. BERBAHL AND MYSELF WORKED ON

AS WELL AS LINE ITEM FUNDING. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: WHEN WILL THIS MONEY BE AVAILABLE?

>> SPEAKER: AS SOON AS YOU SIGN THE AGREEMENT, SIR. IT IS A REIMBURSEMENT AGREEMENT.

>> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: SO WE HAVE TO SPEND THE MONEY FIRST. >> SPEAKER: TO THE ITEM INCLUDED

A BUDGET RESOLUTION FOR THAT. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: WHAT SPECIFIC THINGS ARE GOING TO BE

DONE UNDER THIS? >> SPEAKER: KITCHEN, BATHROOM AREA AT THE BACK OF THE MIDDLE EXHIBIT BUILDING. SOME IMAGE UPGRADES. TECHNOLOGY UPGRADES, ENERGY EFFICIENT UPGRADES.

>> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: HOW BIG WILL THE BATHROOMS BE? >> SPEAKER: WE HAVE TO GO

THROUGH THE DESIGN PHASE OF THAT AS WELL. >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: IF THERE ARE NO OBJECTIONS I'LL MOVE WE APPROVE CLAY COUNTY AS ARE RESOLUTION FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE BATHROOMS AND RESTROOMS AND UPGRADES AT THE FAIRGROUNDS.

>> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: SECOND. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? HEARING NONE, ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. OPPOSED. SO, DONE. ITEM

[10.  Lien Reduction]

10 LANE REDUCTION CASE CE-19-024. >> SPEAKER: GOOD AFTERNOON.

TODAY I HAVE A LIEN REDUCTION IN FRONT OF YOU. THIS IS CASE 19-024. JUST A QUICK UPDATE ON THIS. SO WHAT THIS IS IS A LIEN REDUCTION OR A CODE ENFORCINGMENT CASE THAT WAS DUE TO GO TO THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE ON DECEMBER 5TH. MR. JEN GENEARZIO WHO IS IN THE BACK WITH HIS LITTLE BOY WHO HAS BEEN QUIET FOR AN HOUR AND A HALF. SO THEY MISSED THAT HEARING DUE TO A MEDICAL HARDSHIP WITH THEIR SON. SO, I AM COMING TO YOU TODAY. SINCE THEY MISSED THAT HEARING THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE WENT AHEAD AND DESIGNATED THE FINE ON THEM. SO WHAT I AM DOING IS COMING TO YOU TODAY TO ASK YOU TO REDUCE THAT LIEN DUE TO THE MEDICAL HARDSHIP. THEY DO HAVE EVERYTHING IN COMPLIANCE. THE CASE HAS BEEN CLOSED. AND THEY JUST COULDN'T GET HERE BECAUSE OF THEIR SON BEING IN THE HOSPITAL. SO THAT'S WHY I AM HERE TODAY. ANY QUESTIONS?

>> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: I SPOKE TO SHARICE ABOUT THIS ON A COUPLE OF OCCASIONS AND SPOKE TO THE FAMILY THIS EVENING AND I THINK WE SHOULD HONOR THEIR REQUEST OF SHARICE AND MAKE THIS GO AWAY

AND GET THESE FOLKS WHOLE. >> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: I MOVE WE REDUCE THE LIEN TO ZERO AND

CLOSE THE CASE. >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: SECOND.

>> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: COMMENT WHICHES, COMMENTS, QUESTIONS? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. OPPOSED.

THANK YOU. >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: WE WISH YOU THE BEST.

>> SPEAKER: THANK YOU. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: NUMBER 11 ACCEPTANCE OF MAINTENANCE WITH

[11.  Acceptance of Maintenance with MSBU of the Azalea Ridge Unit 3 Subdivision]

MSBU TO AZALE A BRIDGE. >> SPEAKER: THE SUBDIVISION HAS BEEN BUILT IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE COUNTY STANDARDS. SO, WE'RE ASKING THE COUNTY ACCEPT IT FOR MAINTENANCE. WE'RE GOING TO ASK TO CREATE AN MSBU FOR THE MAINTENANCE OF THIS ROADWAY LIKE WE HAVE WITH, YOU KNOW, SEVERAL OF THE MORE RECENT PROJECTS. THIS IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT BECAUSE IT IS THE THIRD PHASE.

BUT THIS IS A PHASE THAT IS SEPARATED BY LONG BAY. SO, IT'S BASICALLY A SEPARATE SUBDIVISION BUT WITH A NAME THAT SAYS AZALEA RIDGE UNIT 3. IT'S NOT LIKE YOU ARE HAVING TO DRAFT THROUGH ANOTHER PHASE OF AZALEA RIDGE TO GET OUT TO COUNTY ROAD. THIS FRONTS, YOU KNOW, ON LONG BAY.

>> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: UNIT 1 AND 2 HAS NO MSBU. >> SPEAKER: IT DOES NOT HAVE ANY

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BAY AND ALL INTERCONNECTS. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: CORRECT. WHT KIND OF TIMELINE DOES IT

WHAT WE'VE GOT WORKING HERE? IT- >> SPEAKER: I THINK AND I'M GOING TO TURN THIS OVER TO

COURTNEY. >> COUNTY ATTORNEY: IN DECEMBER THE BOARD ADOPTED A RESOLUTION THAT WAS NOTICE OF INTENT TO CREATE THE MSBU FOR THE SUBDIVISIONS. SO, UP UNTIL I BELIEVE IT WILL TAKE IT UNTIL WHAT LIKE MAY OR JUNE OF THIS YEAR. WHATEVER SUBDIVISIONS THAT YOU HAVE DESIGNATED TO ACCEPT THE MAINTENANCE WITH AN MSBU WE'LL INCLUDE THEM IN THAT MSBU.

THIS WILL BE THE FOURTH TO BE INC INCLUDED.

>> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: WISH WE COULD COME UP WITH A BETTER TITLE THAN ACCEPTANCE OF

MAINTENANCE. WHEN I SEE THAT THE ALARM BELL GOES ON OF. >> WE PUT THE WITH MSBU JUST FOR

YOU [LAUGHTER] >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: HOW ABOUT

SET UP MSBU FOR MAINTENANCE? >> SPEAKER: BUT THIS MSBU IS REALLY, IF YOU REMEMBER IT'S FOR THE SURFACE MAINTENANCE. ALL THE STORM DRAINAGE IS STILL MINE. WHAT IS THIS FOR IS RESURFACING THE ROAD IN THE FUTURE. IF THE SIDEWALK GETS BROKEN UP FROM NOW -- WELL ACTUALLY OUTSIDE OF ITS -- WE GET A TWO YEAR WARRANT. AT THE END OF THAT TWO YEARS, IF, YOU KNOW, THE SIDEWALK IS BROKEN UP, LET'S SAY A UTILITY TRUCK DRIVES ACROSS THE SIDEWALK AND BREAKS IT UP, I CAN REPLACE IT AND CHARGE IT AGAINST THE MSBU. IF A DRAIN LINE FAILS THAT WILL NOT GO AGAINST THE MSBU. BECAUSE THIS IS THE WAY I THINK WE SET THE PROGRAM UP THE WAY YOU ALL HAD REQUESTED. IT WAS MAINLY FOR RESURFACING AND THE SURFACE MAINTENANCE.

>> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: BUT IF A YOU REALTY BREAKS CAN WE CHARGE THEM

>> IF THE UTILITY BREAKS UP THE SIDEWALK WE GET THEM TO REPAIR FIT AM

>> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: IS THERE A WAY WE CAN INCLUDE THIS IN THE MSBU? NO. THE ONLY OTHER WAY IS

TO DO THE SEWER FEE THING RIGHT? >> COUNTY ATTORNEY: BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY BEEN DEFINED WHEN

YOU DID THE RESOLUTION IN DECEMBER. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: WE CAN'T

REDO IT. >> COUNTY ATTORNEY: YOU CAN START OVER NEXT DECEMBER IF

YOU'D LIKE. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: WELL, YOU KNOW, WE KNOW THAT THE ROAD IS A THIRD OF THE COST. THE OTHER TWO-THIRDS IS WHAT'S UNDER THE ROAD. AND WE'RE ACCEPTING THE MAINTENANCE ON THAT NOW. IS THAT WHAT WE WANT TO DO CONTINUING GOING FORWARD?

>> COMMISSIONER CELLA: WHETHER WE WANT TO DO IT OR NOT BUT WE CAN'T DO IT WITH WHAT WE HAVE NOW. WE CAN DO IT THE NEXT TIME WE DO IT AND WE SHOULD PROBABLY CONSIDER THAT AND THEN WE'LL HAVE TIME TO THINK ABOUT THAT AND PROPOSE THAT. BUT AT THIS POINT AND TIME, THAT WILL ALSO AFFECT ANY KIND OF WITHHOLDING THAT THE HOA OR THE MSBU OR WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, IF THEY DO IT PRIVATELY OR WE DO IT, IT WILL AFFECT THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT WE HOLD. OBVIOUSLY IT

COULD BE A LOT MORE. >> SPEAKER: IT WOULD BE. IF YOU REMEMBER WHEN I FIRST STARTED LOOKING AT THIS I WAS LOOKING AT WHAT IS OUR NORMAL MAINTENANCE COST. AND I COULD FIND NO CORRELATION WITH AGE OR ANYTHING ELSE. SO, YOU KNOW, WOULD BE REALLY, REALLY HARD TO COME UP WITH A COST TO TRY TO PREDICT WHETHER IT'S GOING TO BE A FAILURE ON A STORM WATER SYSTEM.

IF YOU REMEMBER THIS WAS A STOP GAP BECAUSE OF OUR RESURFACING NEED. THIS WAS A WAY WE SAID, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY 15 TO 20 YEARS IN THE FUTURE WE KNOW WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE MONEY TO RESURFACE THIS SUBDIVISION. WE INCLUDED THE CUSH AND THE GUTTER AND SIDEWALK.

>> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: PREDICTABILITY THERE. >> COMMISSIONER CELLA: WE HAVE TIME TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT RESEARCH BEFORE WE HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT IT AGAIN. SO, LET'S SEE IF WE COME UP WITH A WAY TO BE ABLE TO MAYBE PUT A LITTLE EXTRA ASIDE SO WE CAN UTILIZE THAT.

>> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: THE PROBLEM HASN'T GONE AWAY. THE SEWERS ARE CONTINUING TO COLLAPSE AND WE STILL DON'T HAVE A WAY TO FUND THAT. THAT'S -- IT WOULD PROBABLY BE A WAY TO ENCOURAGE MORE PRIVATE SUBDI SUBDIVISIONS. BECAUSE BASICALLY THEY'RE PAYING FOR ALL THE MAINTENANCE WE WOULD NORMALLY DO. AND THIS HAS ALREADY ENCOURAGED TWO RATHER LARGE DEVELOPMENTS TO GO PRIVATE. WHICH IS WELLFORD PRESERVE AND CROSS CREEK. THEY BOTH DECIDED TO BECOME PRIVATELY HELD. SO, I HAVE NO PUBLIC RIGHT-OF-WAYS TO

MAINTAIN IN EITHER ONE OF THOSE SUBDIVISIONS. >> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: ONE

LAST THING TO WORRY ABOUT RIGHT. >> SPEAKER: IT IS. >> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: I'LL

MOVE FOR APPROVAL. >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: SECOND.

>> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: FURTHER DISCUSSION OR COMMENTS? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. OPPOSED. SO, DONE. ITEM 12. INTIE LOCAL AGREEMENT WITH THE TOWN OF ORANGE PARK. CHIEF MOCK?

[12.  Interlocal Agreement with the Town of Orange Park (COPCN)]

[02:10:07]

>> CLAY COUNTY FIRE CHIEF. I WILL TAKE THE CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD BACK TO DECEMBER OF 2018 WHEN YOU APPROVED A REQUEST FROM THE TOWN OF ORANGE PARK TO GRANT A CERTIFICATE OF PUBLIC CONVEYANCE AND NECESSITY, A COPCN, SO THEY COULD OPERATE INDEPENDENTLY THEIR OWN AMBULANCE OR RESCUE TRANSPORT SERVICE. AN INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT WAS CRAFTED TO THAT AFFECT. IT WAS APPROVED IN MARCH 2019. AND IT ALLOWED THEM TO APPLY TO THE STATE FOR THE FINAL APPROVALS OF THE REQUEST TO GRANT A LICENSE FOR OPERATION. THE TOWN'S RESCUE UNIT WENT INTO OPERATION ON THE FIRST OF OCTOBER, 2019. THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT AMENDMENT THAT YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU REFLECTS THAT FACT AND MODIFIES THE EXISTING AGREEMENT THAT THE BOARD ENTERED INTO IN MARCH I PLYING THE COSTING OF THE $21,000 $500 A MONTH RETRO ACTIVELY BEGINNING ON OCTOBER 1ST OF 2019 INSTEAD OF THE TIMEFRAME THE BOARD ORIGINALLY APPROVED. IT DOES REDUCE THE TOTAL TERM OF THE AGREEMENT BECAUSE IT NOW GOES FOR TWO YEARS AND WILL SUNSET IN DECEMBER OF '20 WHEN THE BOARDS WILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO RENEW THAT COPCN. SO, WE'LL HAVE A DURATION THAT'S ONLY 14 MONTHS INSTEAD OF THE INITIAL 24 MONTHS THAT WAS ANTICIPATED WITH IT. BUT I THINK IT'S A FAIR REFLECTION OF THE FACT THAT THE RESCUE UNIT THAT THE COUNTY SPONSORED FOR THE TOWN WAS OPERATING IN THAT INTERIM TIMEFRAME AND WE WERE RECEIVING THE REVENUE FROM TRANSPORTS THAT CAME OFF THAT. SO THE RECOMMENDATION IN FRONT OF YOU IS TO APPROVE THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT THAT WOULD ALLOW THE TOWN TO HAVE A MODIFIED AGREEMENT OF 14 MONTHS FOR DURATION OF THE TERM OF THE PES

COEN. QUESTIONS? >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: WHAT DOES THAT MONEY GO TOWARD?

>> SPEAKER: THE MONEY COMES INTO THE GENERAL RE NEW FUND. AS YOU WILL RECALL AT THE TIME WE WERE CONTEMPLATING THAT, WE PLACED A PEAK TIME UNIT INTO SERVICE AND IT'S REALLY OFF-SETTING THE COST OF THE OPERATION OF THAT PEAK TIME UNIT WHICH HAS BEEN OPERATING JOB TENSEBLY SINCE --

JOB TENSELY SINCE JANUARY OF 2019. >> COMMISSIONER CELLA: THERE'S A DIFFERENTIAL THAT WE'RE PAYING ORANGE PARK TO OPERATE THEIR OWN AMBULANCE SERVICES.

>> SPEAKER: WELL ORANGE PARK IS PAYING US. WE RECEIVE REVENUE FROM ORANGE PARK FOR THE

OPERATION OF THAT SECONDARY UNIT. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: WHEN WILL WE

START RECEIVING IT? >> SPEAKER: WE STARTED OCTOBER OF 2019. AND WHAT THE MODIFIED AGREEMENT WOULD DO IS JUST REDUCE THE TERM, THE FULL AMOUNT THAT WE WOULD RECEIVE. INSTEAD OF THE 24 MONTHS, WE'RE DOWN $215,000 OVER THAT TIMEFRAME. YOU WOULD RE-IN THE ENTERING TIMEFRAME $201,000 FOR THE 14 MONTHS WE WERE IN OPERATION. OR THE AGREEMENT WAS IN OPERATION.

THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE RELATIVE TO THE INITIAL INTER LOCAL AGREEMENT AND WHAT WE NOW ARE

OPERATING. >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: BUT IN REALITY WE ARE RECEIVING

REVENUE. >> WE RECEIVED REVENUE THAT WHOLE TIME. YES, MA'AM.

>> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: I'M STILL CONFUSES. THIS IS MONEY GOING TO THE TOWN OF ORANGE PARK?

>> SPEAKER: NEGATIVE. IT IS THE MONEY THE TOWN OF ORANGE PARK IS PAYING US FOR THE PRIVILEGE OF

OPERATING THAT RESCUE UNIT. >> COMMISSIONER CELLA: RATHER THAN BEING 24 MONTHS IN LENGTH

THEY'RE LOOKING TO SHORTEN IT TO 14 MONTHS. >> AND WE WOULD RENEW IN THE END

OF '20. >> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: WHEN THEY'RE NOT OPERATING IT WE'RE

GETTING THE PAYMENT. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: THERE WAS AB ADDITIONAL COST OF TOO THOUSAND DOLLARS A YEAR THAT THE COUNTY WAS GOING TO HAVE TO ABSORB. AND THIS IS IT RIGHT? SO, WE'RE ESSENTIALLY PAYING FOR THEIR BOUTIQUE AMBULANCE SERVICE IS WHERE I AM TRYING TO GO.

>> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: NO THEY'RE PAYING US. IT WAS A GOOD DEEM.

>> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: I'M STILL CONFUSED. >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: THAT WAS THE AGREEMENT THEY WOULD PAY US ONCE WE NO LOCKER RECEIVED REVENUE WE WOULD GET A PAYMENT THIS FROM AS AN OFF-SET. WE CONTINUES TO RECEIVE REVENUE FOR QUITE A FEW MONTHS AND THEY'RE SIMPLY SAYING NOW THAT THEY'RE FULLY OPERABLE THEY'LL BEGIN MAKING THOSE MONTHLY PAYMENTS TO

US. >> SPEAKER: AND THEY HAVE. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: SO WHAT'S

THE QUESTION? >> SPEAKER: THE QUESTION IS THE BOARD'S APPROVAL OF THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT THAT MODIFIES THE EXISTING INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT WITH THAT FIRST

AMENDMENT THAT SITS IN FRONT OF YOU. >> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: I MOVE

APPROVAL. >> COMMISSIONER CELLA: SECOND. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: MOTION AND A SECOND. QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. OPPOSED. SO DONE.

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[13.  Agreement with Comfort Temp Company d/b/a CT Mechanical-Courthouse HVAC Unit Replacements]

>> SPEAKER: WE JUMPED OVER ITEM 13. MINE AS WELL. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: BACK UP AND

TAKE 13. THAT'S STILL YOU RIGHT. >> SPEAKER: YES, SIR. STAFF IS REQUESTING THE APPROVAL OF AN AGREEMENT WITH COMFORT TEMP COMPANY FOR THE REPLACEMENT OF FOUR LARGE ROOFTOP HVAC UNITS ON THE COURTHOUSE AT A COST OF $74,131. THESE UNITS WERE WELL PAST THEIR USEFUL LIFESPAN AND STARTING TO COST US A LOT OF MONEY IN MAINTENANCE AND ENERGY.

I MIGHT ALSO ADD THAT WE ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO USE THE COURTHOUSE FACILITIES FUNDS TO PAY FOR THIS. AND THIS WILL GO ALONG WITH OUR ENERGY PROJECTS IN-HOUSE AS WELL FOR THESE

UPGRADES. >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: GOOD DEAL.

>> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: OKAY. >> COUNTY ATTORNEY: THIS ITEM IS BEING BROUGHT TO THE BOARD.

WE DID LET THE FINANCE COMMITTEE KNOW WE WOULD BE BRINGING IT DIRECTLY TO THE BOARD. TO THE

EXTENT THERE'S A MOTION THE WAIVER OF THE PURCHASING POLICY. >> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: I'LL

MOVE FOR APPROVAL AND WAIVER OF THE PURCHASING POLICY. >> COMMISSIONER CELLA: SECOND.

>> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: FURTHER QUESTIONS? >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: DO YOU

HAVE ANY IDEA HOW MUCH POWER THIS IS GOING TO SAVE US? >> SPEAKER: I SHOULD BE ABLE TO START BY AUGUST OF THIS SUMMER TO CALCULATE THE DIFFERENCES. WE STARTED TRACKING THIS WITH THE INSTALLATION OF THE AUTOMATED CONTROLS ON THAT BUI BUILDING AND AUGUST WOULD BE A GOOD YEAR MARK FOR US ON THAT. AND WE CAN TAKE THAT AS A BENCHMARK AND THEN SEE WHAT IMPACT THESE NEW UNITS HAVE AS WELL. BUT AT A MINIMUM, WE'VE BEEN GETTING COMPLAINTS FOR THE PAST YEAR FOR THAT BUILDING ESPECIALLY ON THE FOURTH FLOOR.

ONE OF THE TRANSITIONS FROM THE UNITS THROUGH THE ROOF HAS A LEAK SO WE'VE BEEN DEALING WITH THE ROOF LEAK. JUST IN MAINTENANCE SAVINGS ALONE AND HEADACHE AND NOT ONLY THAT THE SYSTEM JUST HAVING A HARD TIME KEEPING UP. SO, I'D SAY JUST THE COMFORT AND MAINTENANCE IN ITSELF IS BENEFICIAL. AND BY OPERATING UNITS 10, 12, 15 YEARS OLD AT THIS POINT, THEY ARE INHERENTLY MORE ENERGY EFFICIENT. SO IT'S NOT IF. IT'S HOW MUCH. WE'RE STARTING TO TRACK THAT. I'LL HOPEFULLY COME END OF THE SUMMER START BRINGING YOU SOME REPORTS OF WHAT KIND OF

STUFF WE'RE SEEING FROM OUR EFFORTS. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: OTHER QUESTIONS? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. OPPOSED. SO, DONE. NOW WE'RE AT 14.

[14.  County Park Lease Extensions]

>> SPEAKER: THE NEXT ITEM IS APPROVAL FOR LEASE EXTENSIONS. TAKE THESE FOUR LEASES OUT TO JUNE. IT'S FOR KEYSTONE YOUTH SOCCER AT TWIN LAKES, MIDDLEBURG ATHLETIC ASSOCIATION AT OMEGA, GREEN COVE SPRINGS BASE AL AT CARL PUGH, AND KEYSTONE HEIGHTS SPORTS ASSOCIATION AT LITTLE RAIN LAKE. THIS IS NO MORE THAN AN EXTENSION. NOTHING CHANGING IN THIS LEASE. THIS WILL BUY US TIME TO GET WITH THE ASSOCIATIONS AND STAFF TO WORK OUT THE DETAILS OF WHAT THE FUTURE LEASE WILL LOOK LIKE. THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF DISCUSSION BACK AND FORTH SINCE WE ENTERED INTO THESE LEASES. YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST TIME FOR US TO TAKE A LOOK AT RESPONSIBILITIES FOR MAINTENANCE AND HOW WE HANDLE OUR TIER SYSTEM PUSHING THEM FROM DIFFERENT CATEGORIES ON THEIR REVENUE AND SUCH. SO, I DON'T HAVE A DATE AT THIS TIME BUT IN THE VERY NEAR FUTURE WE'LL HAVE THE SECOND MEETING. WE JUST NEEDED TO KEEP COVERAGE OF THEOF LEASE WHILE WE WORK THE DETAILS OUT. AND COME JUNE AND INTERIM WE CAN PROVIDE YOU REPORTS WHERE WE ARE AND GET INPUT ON WHERE WE THINK THIS FUTURE LEASE IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE. COMMISSIONER BOLLA ARE WE

STILL CHECKING ALL THE INSURANCE? >> SPEAKER: ABSOLUTELY. ALL THE

REQUIREMENTS ARE BEING MONITORED CLOSELY. >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: IF THERE'S NO FURTHER DISCUSSION I'LL MOVE APPROVAL OF THE FOUR LEASE EXTENSIONS.

>> COMMISSIONER CELLA: SECOND. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. OPPOSED. JAMES IN THIS TIME LEADING UP TO JUNE I'D LIKE FOR YOU TO KIND OF -- YOU ARE THE CLOSEST TO WHAT NEEDS TO GO ON AT THIS PARKS. I'D LIKE KIND OF LIST OF RECOMMENDATIONS WHAT YOU THINK WOULD BE FAIR AND EQUITABLE AND MAKE IT EASY ON YOUR STAFF. BECAUSE I KNOW AT CERTAIN TIMES

OF THE YEAR THOSE PARKS SUCK YOU GUYS DRY. >> SPEAKER: ABSOLUTELY. THAT WAS THE INTENT OF THIS. AS OPPOSES TO US TRYING TO DRAFT OUR OWN LEASES LIKE WE DID AND THEN GET THEM TO ACCEPT THEM AND GO THROUGH THE MONTHS OF BOARD MEETINGS OR HOWEVER MANY BOARD MEETINGS IT TOOK TO GET THE LAST LEASE WE SAID LET'S DO A COLLECTIVE. INCLUDE THEM IN ON

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GIVE THEM THEY WILL BE PART OF CREATING THIS. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: ABSOLUTELY.

THANK YOU SIR. MOVING ON. COUNTY MANAGER COMMENTS? >> MR. CHAIRMAN, ONE COMMENT I

[COUNTY MANAGER/CLERK OF THE BOARD]

THAT'S THE OTHER HANDOUT THAT I HAVE. JUST IN THIS. THIS IS ON ELECTION DAY. AND THIS PROGRAM WOULD WORK THAT A PARTICULAR COUNTY EMPLOYEE AND IT COULD EVEN BE FROM ANOTHER CONSTITUTIONAL, FROM THEIR OFFICE, WOULD GO TO HELP OUT THE SUPERVISOR OF ELECTIONS AND GET THEIR NORMAL FORM OF PAYMENT AND SALARY OR HOURLY WAGE. THEY WOULD ALSO EARN A LITTLE BIT EXTRA MONEY. IF YOU LOOK AT PAGE 2, BECAUSE THEY WOULD BE WORKING FROM 6:00 A.M. TO 8:00 P.M.

THEY WOULD GET A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A STIPEND FOR THOSE EXTRA HOURS THEY WOULD BE WORKING. I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU ALL WERE AWARE OF THIS AND THAT WAS WHAT WAS GOING ON. THOSE EMPLOYEES THAT SHOULD OPT TO TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO CONTINUE OUR FREEDOMS AND THEIR RIGHT TO VOTE TO ASSIST THAT, WILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO HELP OUT THE SUPERVISOR OF ELECTIONS. WE HAVE TALKED INTERNALLY ABOUT THIS BECAUSE THERE'S ALSO NOT ONLY DO YOU HAVE ON ELECTION DAY THE VOLUNTEERS THAT ARE NEEDED BUT WE ALSO NEED VOLUNTEERS OR HE NEEDS VOLUNTEERS DURING THE PROCESS UP TO THE VOTING. OPENING UP BALLOTS, ENSURING SIGNATURES ARE CORRECT AND THOSE TYPE OF THINGS. THAT WOULD BE VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST. ALMOST IDENTICAL. IT WOULD BE THE USE OF SIGN-UP GENIUS, AN AUTOMATIC WAY WHERE YOU CAN PICK THOSE BLOCKS TO VOLUNTEER HOURS. AT MAXIMUM OF FOUR HOURS. AND THERE WOULD BE TRAINING ASSOCIATED ON BOTH OF THESE PROGRAMS -- ELECTION DAY AND VOLUNTEER -- FOR THE FEW WEEKS PRIOR TO IT. THEN WE WOULD ACCOUNT FOR IT HERE INTERNALLY WITH THE BCC THAT THAT EMPLOYEE WOULD BE ON ADMINISTRATIVE LEAVE. IT WILL ALSO BE INCUMBENT UPON THE DEPARTMENT HEAD TO ENSURE THEY HAVE ENOUGH TEAM MEMBERS ON BOARD TO HANDLE NORMAL DAILY AT THIS TIMES. THERE WILL BE AN APPROVAL PROCESS THROUGH HR FOR THAT EMPLOYEE TO VOLUNTEER ON THAT. WE'D TAKE A LOOK AT THOSE THAT ARE PUBLIC SAFETY -- FIREFIGHTERS AND PUBLIC WORKS -- WHEN THEY WORK IN TEAMS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, IT WILL BE DIFFICULT FOR THEM TO REALLY VOLUNTEER ON THIS. IT'S MORE ALONG THE LINES OF ADMINISTRATIVE AND THOSE PEOPLE THAT WE CAN AFFORD TO HAVE THEM VOLUNTEER. HE'S REALLY LOOKING FOR HELP. THIS TRAINING IS GOING TO OCCUR THIS MONTH HERE. A LOT OF THE TRAINING. THE VOLUNTEER TRAINING IS VERY SIMPLIFIED.

IT'S A JUST KIND OF A SWEARING IN. THE SPECIFIC ON THE ELECTION DAY ONE WILL REQUIRE A FEW MORE HOURS OF TRAINING AND WHAT'S EXPECTED THERE. I'M OPEN FOR ANY QUESTIONS THAT THE BOARD MAY HAVE ON IT AND JUST WANTED TO BRIEF YOU ALL AND INFORM YOU ALL.

>> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: IT SAYS YOU WILL BE PAID BY CLAY COUNTY FOR NORMAL WORKDAY. PLUS YOU

WILL GET A SPINE END. >> YOU GET THE STIPEND FROM THE SUPERVISOR OF ELECTIONS.

>> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: SO YOU WOULD TAKE THE DAY AND JUST GO OVER THERE AND THEY WOULD PAY

YOU ADDITIONAL MONEY AND WE PAY YOUR PRESENT SALARY. >> YES, SIR. THAT WOULD BE

ADMINISTRATIVE LEAVE. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: IT'S NOT LEAVE THOUGH IS IT? YOU ARE

STILL PAYING THEM. >> WE ARE. BUT IT SHOWED THAT WE CAN PROPERLY ACCOUNT FOR THAT TIME. SO IT DOESN'T COME FROM A SPECIFIC FUND. LIKE THE TRANSPORTATION FUND OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. THIS WOULD BE ADMINISTRATIVE. SO, IT IS A PROPER USE OF FUNDS AND FUNDING.

>> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: WE'VE DONE THIS BEFORE? >> YES, SIR. IN REALITY IT SAVES THE COUNTY AND THE SUPERVISOR OF ELECTIONS A LOT OF MONEY. INSTEAD OF PAYING SOMEBODY $11.50 AN HOUR AND GETTING THEM TRAINED AND MAKING SURE THEY KNOW ABOUT THE COUNTY WE'RE TRUSTED EMPLOYEES THAT ALREADY HAVE BACKGROUND CHECKS WITHIN OUR SYSTEM AND MAKES IT

MUCH EASIER. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: I DON'T KNOW ON THE RAILROAD THEY DIDN'T ASK ME WHO I COULD DO WITHOUT FOR A DAY [LAUGHTER]

>> COMMISSIONER CELLA: HOW DO WE MONITOR THAT IN TERMS OF THE NUMBERS OF PEOPLE THAT -- IS THAT UP TO EACH DEPARTMENT TO DETERMINE WHAT THEY CAN LIVE WITH IN TERMS OF THE PERSONNEL

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FOR THAT DAY? >> YES, SIR. AGAIN, THIS IS ON ELECTION DAY FOR THE VOLUNTEER

BLUE. THE VOLUNTEER ARE IN BLACK OF MAXIMUM OF FOUR HOURS. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: WHEN THE

SUPERVISOR REACH THE NUMBER HE NEEDS HE SHUTS THE PROGRAM DOWN. >> ONCE ALL THE BLOCKS ARE TAKEN

THAT'S IT. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: OKAY. >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: SOUNDS

GOOD. NO COMMENT. >> THAT'S ALL I HAD. WE'RE JUST IN ELECTION YEAR AND REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO 2020. I WANTED TO ANNOUNCE ALSO ON THE 21ST IT WAS KIND OF ALLUDED TO IN DALE'S BRIEF BUT WE HAVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE COMMITTEE ALONG WITH THE PARKS AND REC AND STEM THAT WILL OCCUR ON THE 21ST OF JANUARY. AND IT WILL BE RIGHT AFTER FINANCE AND AUDIT.

>> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE, SIR? >> THAT IS ALL I HAVE,

MR. CHAIRMAN. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: COUNTY ATTORNEY?

[COUNTY ATTORNEY]

>> COUNTY ATTORNEY: JUST A LITTLE UPDATE ON THE OPIOID LITIGATION. THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE HAD A MEETING YESTERDAY FOR THE NORTHEAST REGION. THE OFFICE IS HAVING THEM THROUGHOUT THE STATE OF FLORIDA BUT THE ONE FOR OUR REGION WAS YESTERDAY. AS YOU MAY RECALL THE COUNTY IS PART OF THE MDL LITIGATION WHICH IS DIFFERENT COUNTIES AND CITIES SITUATED IN OHIO. THE STATE ATTORNEY GENERALS HAVE GONE A DIFFERENT ROUTE AND HAVE FILED INDIVIDUAL LAWSUITS. WHAT OUR ATTORNEY GENERAL IS LOOKING FOR IS IN CONNECTION WITH HER LITIGATION IS WHATEVER MONEYS THAT THEY MAY RECEIVE SHE JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE COUNTIES AND CITIES UNDERSTOOD THAT WHATEVER FUNDING THEY MAY RECEIVE THROUGH A SETTLEMENT IN CONNECTION WITH THAT LITIGATION WOULD NOT BE ENOUGH TO ACTUALLY RESOLVE THE ISSUE THAT WE HAVE WITH THE OPIOID EPIDEMIC. AND WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR IS TRYING TO GET ALL THE COUNTIES AND CITIES TO LOOK FOR A PARTICULAR PROGRAM THAT THEY THINK WOULD WORK TO HELP FIGHT THE EPIDEMIC AND FOR EVERYBODY TO BE ON THE SAME PAGE. SO THEY PRESENTED A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT IDEAS THAT ARE ALREADY IN PLACE AND JUST WANT TO EXPLORE THAT AND THAT'S MOVING FORWARD WITH THEIR TASK FORCE. SO THAT'S WHERE THEY ARE IN CONNECTION WITH THEIR CASE.

>> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: QUESTIONS? OKAY. LET US FRACTION THEN WE'LL MOVE DOWN TO ITEM 15

[15.  Acceptance of Resignation from the Planning Commission - Brenda Kicsak]

JANUARY 1, 2020. >> COUNTY ATTORNEY: I'LL UPDATE YOU THAT I DID HAVE SOMEBODY

APPLY TODAY. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: DO WE MOVE ON THAT TONIGHT.

>> NO AT THE NEXT MEETING. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: ACCEPTANCE FOR MISS BRENDA. ALL IN FAVOR

[16.  Acceptance of Resignation of William Tyrie, Seat 9, Lake Asbury Municipal Service Benefit District and Request to Appoint Melody Pickens to Fill the Vacancy]

PERSONALLY. I WOULD CERTAINLY SUPPORT THAT. >> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: MOVE

FOR APPROVAL. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 17. CLAY COUNTY

[17.  Discussion of Appointment to the Clay County Utility Authority Board]

[18.  Letters in support of nomination of Gold Head Branch State Park to the National Register of Historic Places]

ESPECIALLY THE STATE PARK. AND WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO PLACE ANOTHER SPOT ON THE COUNTY'S

HISTORIC -- NATIONAL REGISTRY OF HISTORIC PLACES. >> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: I MOVE

FOR APPROVAL AS THE COMMISSIONER OF THAT DISTRICT. >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING:

SECOND. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. OPPOSED. SO, DONE. WHO FOLLOWS UP WITH THE CORE SPANNEDENCE TO THE STATE ON THAT IN SHARICE, YOU DO? OKAY.

>> WE GOT A LETTER TO SIGN. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: VERY GOOD. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: IF I

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THAT POSITION IS OPEN SO WE CAN GET ADDITIONAL APPLICATIONS? >> YES. AND I'VE GOT A STACK OF

THEM. SO, THEY'LL BE COMING AT THE NEXT BCC MEETING. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: THANK

YOU. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: LETTERS OF DOCUMENTATION. WHAT DO WE

[19.  2020 Governing Board Meeting Schedule St. Johns River Water Managment District]

[PUBLIC COMMENTS]

>> PUBLIC SPEAKER: RICHARD CLEANMAN, 1985 TO MUCK YOUA TRAIL, MIDDLEBURG. I WAS JUST LOOKING TO GET SOME CLARIFICATION ON WHAT'S COMING UP. IT'S GOING TO BE A HUGE MESS WITH WHAT'S BEING PLANNED FOR ALL OF THESE ROAD AGAINST THE IDEA. I STILL HAVE - THIS DEPRESSION ERA IDEOLOGY OF YOU DON'T BORROW MONEY BUT I UNDERSTAND THERE ARE TIMES WHEN IT'S USEFUL. WHETHER OR NOT IT'S NECESSARY IS ANOTHER THING. SO, IN THAT VAIN I WAS HOPING TO ASK IF AT SOME POINT POWER TO ALL OF THIS BEGINNING, IF WE COULD HAVE ANOTHER SEMINAR AT NIGHT TIME SIMILAR TO WHAT COMMISSIONER CELLA DID BACK IN, I THINK IT WAS LAST JULY, TO COVER THE WHOLE GAMUT OF EVERYTHING THAT'S PLANNED, WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE, HOW MUCH IT'S GOING TO BE, WHEN ARE WE GOING TO BORROW THIS MONEY, WHEN DOES IT HAVE TO BE PAID BACK, START, END, SOUPS AND NUTS. ALTHOUGH I DON'T KNOW WHY ANYBODY USES THAT PHRASE ANYMORE. I WAS JUST THINKING ABOUT THAT. I DON'T GO TO A RESTAURANT TO HAVE NUTS. BUT, YOU KNOW, AS IS THE CASE IN WAY TOO MANY OCCURRENCES THE LEFT-HAND OFTEN DOESN'T KNOW WHAT THE RIGHT HAND IS SCRATCHING. AND I WAS JUST HOPING WE COULD PULL IT ALL TOGETHER AND HAVE A SEMINAR TO BRIEF THOSE OF US IN THE COMMUNITY THAT ARE FOLLOWING THESE ISSUES AND GO FROM THERE.

NOT EVEN AN INFORMAL ONE. JUST SOMETHING TO GET PEOPLE TOGETHER TO SAY HERE'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO, THIS IS WHAT IT'S GOING TO COST YOU, THIS IS HOW LONG IT'S GOING TO TAKE. AND I THINK

IT WOULD GO A LONG WAY IN COMMUNITY RELATIONS. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: IF I MIGHT INTERRUPT YOU AND I WON'T CHARGE THIS AGAINST YOUR TIME. BUT THAT'S A GOOD POINT. I THINK THAT PROBABLY IF WE COULD DO THAT WE COULD DO IT IN CONJUNCTION WITH PROPOSED GROWTH. SO, IF WE COULD DO AN OVERVIEW OF THE WHOLE THING AS YOU SAY I THINK THAT WOULD HELP.

>> PUBLIC SPEAKER: I JUST SAT THROUGH THE ENTIRE THING MYSELF AND I'M STILL PRETTY MUCH AT SEA AND THERE'S NO ORE. OKAY $130 MILLION OR MORE OR LESS BUT WE DON'T KNOW. BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD TO INFORM THOSE OF US WHO ARE INTERESTD IN THE COMMUNITY. I MEAN, YOU ARE NOT GOING TO SELL OUT. IT'S NOT GOING TO BE A BATMAN PREMIER. BUT THOSE THAT ARE REALLY, REALLY INTERESTED I THINK WOULD SHOW UP AND PROBABLY HAVE EVEN MORE PERTINENT QUESTIONS OTHER

THAN WHAT'S ROLLING A ROUND IN MY MIND. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: THERE'S

ENOUGH MISINFORMATION GOING AROUND THAT THAT WOULD HELP. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: EXACTLY. SO, ANOTHER THING WAS BROUGHT UP IN OUR DISCUSSIONS IS THAT MAYBE WE NEED A MORATORIUM FOR A WHILE.

THEN THERE'S A QUESTION OF WHETHER OR NOT WE CAN HAVE A MORATORIUM. AND THESE ARE THINGS I THINK THAT SHOULD BE BROUGHT UP IN THE NEXT CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION YOU KNOW. IF WE CAN'T HAVE A MORATORIUM, WHY NOT, AND LET'S PUT IT IN THE CHARTER THAT WE CAN. YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHY WE HAVE A CHARTER. AS THE COMMUNITY EVOLVES THEN OUR RULES SHOULD EVOLVE. THAT'S FOR DOWN THE ROAD. AND, YOUR KNOW, AGAIN, WITH A MORATORIUM, YOU KNOW, THE REASON WE HAVE ROADS THAT ARE CRITICAL AND DEFICIENT IS BECAUSE OF THIS CANCER OF OVER DEVELOPMENT. AT THE VERY LEAST STOP ENABLING THEM. STOP GIVING THEM ZONING CHANGES WHERE THEY SHOULDN'T HAVE ZONING CHANGES AT ALL. NOT AT ALL. THERE'S NO REASON FOR IT. YOU KNOW, THESE PEOPLE, GIVE THEM AN INCH, THEY'LL PUT A CONDO, TOWNHOUSE WHATEVER UP ON SOMEBODY'S SWAIL. YOU KNOW, YOU

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>> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: I REMEMBER YOUR EARLIER COMMENTS THE SPAWN OF SATAN.

>> PUBLIC SPEAKER: BUT THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO ASK. HOPEFULLY YOU WILL CONSIDER THAT AND HAVE

IT SOMETIME BEFORE THIS ALL 125R9S. THANK YOU. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: THANK YOU,

SIR. MR. AUTO? >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: YES, SIR. SEX TOYS OF CLAY COUNTY FLORIDA.

MR. MOCK CAME FOR THE OCCASION. HE IS STILL IN THE SUIT. I'M NOT TRYING TO PUT HIM ON THE SPOT. I WOULDN'T WANT THE JOB EITHER. WHAT YOU ARE ASKING. ANYWAY, ALCOHOL IS JUST REALLY A MONEY THING I THINK. IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE IN THE TENT AND IT NEEDS TO STAY IN THE TENT AT THE FAIRGROUNDS. YOUR NUMBER ONE THING WAS ROADS AND DRAINAGE AND IT HASN'T BEEN PAID ATTENTION TO. I DID PAY ATTENTION TO WHAT MR. BOLLA SAID. THAT WE LOST LIKE $12 MILLION BECAUSE THE IMPACT FEE WASN'T PUT ON. AND NOW WE'RE HEARING $12 MILLION IN INTEREST FROM MR. HUTCHINGS. NOW WE'RE HEARING IT'S $45 MILLION. SO, I'M REALLY DISCOURAGED. I THINK IT DOES NEED TO GO TOE THE PEOPLE. THE VOTERS. THE VOTERS NEED TO MAKE THIS DECISION. NOT FIVE PEOPLE. $130 MILLION, THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY. IT'S KIND OF AS RIDICULOUS AS SOMEBODY TALKING ABOUT CHEMICALS, MOSQUITO CONTROL, THAT'S LIKE LAWN CONTROL. WHO DOES THAT? NOT MANY PEOPLE. THAT WAS A REALLY POOR EXAMPLE TO BE COMPARING MOSQUITO CONTROL. I'D REALLY LIKE TO ANSWER TO THE PICTURES AND THE VIDEOS THAT SUDDENLY JUST STOPPED WHEN THE CHAIR CELLA WAS THERE. THAT'S REALLY UPSETTING THAT WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO DO THIS ANYMORE. AND I DON'T THINK IT'S CONSTITUTIONALLY RIGHT ONE BIT. REMINDS ME OF THE PRIOR ATTORNEY WITH THE 20 YEAR UNLAWFUL ORDINANCE. RIGHT THERE WITH IT. AND HIGHWAY 21, 218 STILL AT THE TOP OF THE LIST? BECAUSE I HEARD MORE TALK ABOUT EVERYTHING ELSE OTHER THAN THE ROAD THAT IS NUMBER ONE. I HOPE THAT IS THE FIRST ONE ON THE LIST. I REALLY DO. I'D LIKE TO SEE A PERSON COME IN HERE ON THE AQUIFERS AND TELL US HOW MUCH DAMAGE. YOU ARE SAYING THAT THE ROADS ARE FALLING APART, MAYBE IT'S THE EASY BAYS. LET'S HEAR THE REST OF IT. WHICH ROADS ARE FALLING APART, WHICH ONES ARE EASY BAYS. ARE WE GETTING THAT TESTED? THE METALS THAT ARE GOING INTO OTHER PEOPLE'S YARDS AND A GOING INTO PEOPLE'S BLOOD STREAMS? THAT'S WHAT WE REALLY WANT TO FIND OUT. NO THE THIS $100,000 ON A FAIR. WE GOT MAJOR PROBLEMS IN CLAY COUNTY.

AND LET ME TELL YOU, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH ONE BIT OF THIS TRAFFIC. NOT ONE BIT.

OKAY. THESE PEOPLE CAME IN HERE AND DIDN'T PAY AN IMPACT FEE. SO, TOUGH. DEAL WITH IT. YOU KNOW, THE NEWS EVEN SAYS BLANDING BOULEVARD, HAVE YOU SEEN CHANNEL 4, HEY LET'S TALK ABOUT THE BLANDING TRAFFIC. BUT KNOW HONESTLY ALL THIS STUFF IS REALLY HONESTLY. A DOLLAR PARK BID FOR FOOTBALL KIDS TO RUN INTO EACH OTHER. THAT'S SAD. PUT IT OUT TO BID. LET'S GET SOME BIDS ON WHAT PEOPLE WILL PAY FOR THEM. THAT'S WHAT I LIKE TO SEE. I KNOW MY TIME'S UP BUT, YOU KNOW, SIR I'D LIKE TO ASK YOU ONE QUESTION AND THIS ISN'T DISRESPECTFUL FOR ANYTHING BUT I REALLY WOULD LIKE YOU TO CALL THE VOTES OUT. I KNOW YOU ARE NEW TO THE CHAIR. I'M NOT TRYING TO BRING ANY DISRESPECT ON YOU BUT I'VE BEEN HERE MANY YEARS. WHEN IT'S 3-2 OR 4-1, YOU KNOW, PRETTY MUCH ALL THE OTHER CHAIRS HAVE CALLED THE ROLE. I COULDN'T HEAR WHO WAS VOTING WHAT. ALL I HEARD WAS IT PASSED. NO DISRESPECT BUT I WOULD REALLY APPRECIATE IT IF

YOU CALLED THE VOTE. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: OKAY THANK YOU. YES, SIR?

>> PUBLIC SPEAKER: MICHAEL WALLWORTH 1516 PLAINFIELD. I GOT A FEW ITEMS THAT COULD ACTUALLY SAVE YOU MONEY. I'VE WORKED FOR THE D.O.T. AS AN EMPLOYEE OR CONSULTANT FOR LIKE 30 YEARS NOW. AND I'VE SEEN THEM CHANGE ENORMOUSLY. AND WHAT'S HAPPENING RIGHT NOW IS THE D.O.T. IS GOING AWAY FROM 12 FOOT WIDE LANES DOWN TO TEN FOOT LANES. DEPENDS ON THE CIRCUMSTANCE. BUT PROJECT I'VE WORKED ON IS ON ACHILICS S- -- US-41 IN SARASOTA. IT'S 42,000 CAR AS DAY AND WE RE-DESIGNED A COUPLE OF MULTI-LANE ROUNDABOUTS ON THAT ROAD. AND THE D.O.T.

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PROGRAM YOU ARE COMMENTING ON. THANK YOU. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: THANK YOU.

APPRECIATE IT. WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENTS SINCE I SEE NO ONE ELSE APPROACHING THE

[COMMISSIONERS' COMMENTS]

COMMISSIONER BOLLA? >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: HE COULDN'T HAVE SAID IT BETTER ABOUT THE ROUNDABOUTS. I'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THAT FOR FOUR YEARS AND GETTING NOWHERE WITH IT. I'M GOING TO KEEP PLUGGING. IT SAVES A LOT OF MONEY. AND IT MAKES THE PLACE LOOK A LOT BETTER. WHEN YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT TRAFFIC CALMING, AFTER THE FIRST ROUND OF WRECKS PEOPLE LEARNING HOW TO USE THEM, THEY WORK WELL. I SPENT A LOT OF TIME IN EUROPE AND THAT'S ALL THEY HAVE THERE BILLY WITH ALL THIS CONSTRUCTION OF BIKE LANES. I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE BIKE LANE IS RIGHT NOW.

I THINK ARE WE FOUR OR FIVE FEET? FIVE FEET. ALL RIGHT THAT'S WHERE WE WANT TO BE. I ALSO ASKED THE COUNTY MANAGER ABOUT LOOKING INTO PUTTING IN FIBER CONDUIT.

>> IT WILL BE PART OF THESE PLANS. YES, SIR. WE HAVE THAT. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: AS LONG AS YOU ARE DIGGING ALL THOSE HOLES YOU MIGHT AS WELL PUT THE CONDUIT IN. IT DOESN'T COST

THAT MUCH MORE. THAT'S ALL I GOT TO SAY ABOUT THAT. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: MIKE?

>> COMMISSIONER CELLA: JAMES I PICKED THIS UP ON SOCIAL MEDIA THREAD. ARE WE GETTING A CALL FROM HIS TORE CAL PRESERVATION BOARD IN REGARDS TO LEAKING IN THE MUSEUM? QUOTES FOR THE ROOF REPAIRS. AND I REQUESTED THE PURCHASE ORDER. SO, AS SOON AS I GET THAT BACK I CAN CONTACT THE CONTRACTOR AND HE'LL GIVE YOU A SCHEDULE FOR THE REPAIRS.

QUICKEST >> COMMISSIONER CELLA: THANK YOU, JAMES.

>> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: PUBLIC THAT ALONG. THIS TIME NEXT YEAR IS NOT WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT OKAY.

>> COMMISSIONER CELLA: THAT'S ALL I HAVE. >> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: COUPLE THINGS. 315, WHEN IS THE BID COMING TO US? THEN DID WE DO A PRESS RELEASE? BECAUSE YOU

TALKED ABOUT IT ON THE BUDGET AND FINANCE COMMITTEE. >> YES, SIR. THE 315 CHARLIE PO I JUST SIGNED A COUPLE DAYS AGO. THAT WILL GO OUT AND WE'LL PUT A PRESS RELEASE. YES, SIR.

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>> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: THEN I THINK THAT ENTERPRISE'S HAS HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH SOME PEOPLE AND I DON'T KNOW THAT ENTERPRISE IS THE ONLY ONE THAT SHOULD BUT I DEFINITELY THINK WE SHOULD LOOK AT SOME PRIVATIZATION OF OUR FLEET MANAGEMENT. SO, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS HAVE TALKED TO ANYONE ABOUT THIS AT ALL BUT IF THERE'S SOME COST SAVINGS THERE IN TERMS OF HAVING THAT

PRIVATIZED I THINK WE SHOULD LOOK AT THAT FOR SURE. >> WE HAVE BEEN -- LIKE YOU ALLUDED TO, WE HAVE BEEN IN TALKS WITH THEM. I'VE MET WITH THEM THREE OR FOUR TIMES NOW.

SINCE IT'S A NEW KIND OF CONCEPT FOR US AND WE'RE TAKING A LOOK AT MILEAGE, AGE OF VEHICLES THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE, WHAT THEY WOULD BE REPLACED WITH ON THE NEWER VEHICLES, MARK WHO IS PART OF DALE'S STAFF IS HEAVILY INVOLVED IN IT AND TAKING A LOOK ACT IT. THERE'S OTHER AQ PERKEDS TO IT WHEN YOU ADD ADDITIONAL EQUIPMENT TO THE FIRE TRUCK, LIGHTS AND THOSE THINGS, HOW ARE WE ABLE TO CAPITALIZE ON THAT WHEN WE TURN THE VEHICLE BACK IN. WE'RE WIDE OPEN ON LOOKING AT ANY OTHER COMPANIES THAT WOULD BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THAT SERVICE.

>> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: I THINK THAT MAKES SENSE. THEN FAMILY INSURANCE, THE STEPPING OFF FOR LINE OF DUTY, IF SOMEONE DIES IN THE LINE OF DUTY AND HOW WE DO THAT PROCESS FOR THE FAMILIES SO THE LOVED ONE PASSES IN THE LINE OF DUTY TO CLARIFY AND THEN NEXT MONTH THEY'RE OUT OF INSURANCE.

PER THE REQUEST BEFORE I KNOW - JENNIFER WAS TAKING A LOOK INTO THAT AND I'LL BE ABLE TO BRIEF

OW THAT TOO. >> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: COULD WE HAVE THE NEXT MEETING OR THE

FOLLOWING MAYBE LIKE NEXT TWO MONTHS IS THAT REASONABLE? >> YES, SIR.

>> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: THOSE ARE THE THREE THINGS I HAD. I THINK THAT WAS BUDGET MEETING YOU TALKED ABOUT THAT RIGHT. SO THE IDEA WOULD BE TO -- IF A EMPLOYEE DIES IN THE LINE OF DUTY, THAT INSTEAD OF AN IMMEDIATE NEXT MONTH THEIR FAMILY GETS KICKED OFF INSURANCE, THERE WOULD BE -- I DON'T KNOW WHETHER IT'S TWO MONTHS OR WHAT BUT THERE'S A LITTLE MORE OF A GRADUAL BRIDGE SO THEY HAVE ABILITY ESPECIALLY IF IT'S LINE OF DUTY I THINK IT

IS THE LEAST WE CAN DO. >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING. IT'S ALL

COVERED. >> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: I HAVE NOTHING. A GOOD MEETING. A LOT SHORTER THAN I THOUGHT IT WAS. I WANT TO SAY ONE THING. MR. CLEMSON'S IDEA ABOUT THE TRANSPORTATION SUM IT FOR THE LACK OF A BETTER TERM. I THINK IT IS A GOOD IDEA. I'D LIKE TO SEE IT BE TIED WITH THE EXPLANATION OR GROWTH PATTERNS, PROJECTIONS, THE WHOLE GAMUT.

IT'S GOING TO BE A LITTLE DIFFERENT PUTTING IT TOGETHER BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF IDEAS ON THE TABLE BUT I THINK IT COULD BE DONE AND I'LL BE CHATTING WITH STAFF THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEK TRYING TO PULL THAT TOGETHER, MR. COLLLEM COLLEGESMAN ARE YOU GOING TO

COME AND SPEAK? >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: AT THE SUMMIT? I WOULD HAVE QUESTIONS.

>> CHAIRMAN HENDRY: CLOSE ENOUGH [LAUGHTER] OKAY. ALL RIGHT. EVERYONE'S HAD A TURN AT IT. LAST CALL FROM THE BOARD? HEARING

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