ELIGIBILITY POOL ACTION ITEM(S)

[1. 1. Consideration of FFCLP 26-0001 to the Priority Pool Parcel #: 32-05-26-020981-000-00 (150 acres) In a rapidly developing area close to the St. Johns River, this property is within a biodiversity priority #2 area and is hydrologically connected to the Clay Branch waterway. The property is mostly mesic flatwoods, shrub and brushland, wet flatwoods, freshwater forested wetlands and mixed hardwood coniferous. ]

THE FIRST ONE WE ARE GOING TO LOOK AT IS THE FIRST APPLICANT IS THE SHED THE PROPERTY -- I THINK THAT IS WHAT THIS IS.

A CONSERVATION EASEMENT DOWNTOWN OF 168.89 ACRES.

WE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED IT TO MOVE FORWARD IN THE PROCESS.

I SEE SOME PEOPLE I RECOGNIZED WOULD ANYBODY LIKE TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE PLATTE PROPERTY -- I APOLOGIZE, DID I SAY THAT WRONG? SHED ROAD IS THE PLATT PROPERTY.

>> DON'T HAVE TOO MUCH TO SAY ABOUT IT.

>> THE CHAIR: I WILL ASK YOU TO COME TO THE PODIUM, WE HAVE TO RECORD IT ALL FOR POSTERITY. SPEAK I DON'T HAVE TO MUCH TO SAY ABOUT IT HAVE BEEN WORKING A LITTLE BIT WITH THE LAND TRUST ON GETTING THIS APPLICATION DONE.

I'M VERY INTERESTED IN EITHER THE PROPERTY AS A WHOLE OR THE DEVELOPED RIGHTS BEING PURCHASED BY THE COUNTY IF IT'S POSSIBLE.

I THINK IT'S CLOSER TO ABOUT 17. IT'S A LOT OF WETLAND, A LOT OF DEVELOPMENT ALL AROUND IT. I'M THE LONE PATCH OF GREEN OUT THERE AND I HATE TO SEE IT ALL COVERED UP WITH NO ANIMALS.

>> THE CHAIR: DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS -- DON'T

LEAVE JUST YET. >> SORRY.

>> THE CHAIR: DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? PERFECT, SORRY TO DRAG YOU BACK TO MY APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.

OPENING IT UP FOR DISCUSSION. NO DISCUSSION? IS A SIT RIGHT HERE WE ARE LOOKING AT? BACK TO SCORESHEET ONE. WE HAVE ALL OF YOUR PARCELS IN HERE. FOR THE RECORD WE DON'T HAVE SCORES FROM APRIL THOMAS, ALL THREE OF WHOM WHO ARE NOT THIS EVENING. I DIDN'T TAKE HIS SCORE OUT IF HE'S NOT HERE. YEAH, I'M SURE.

I EXPECTED EVERYBODY EXCEPT THOSE THREE WHICH I HAD ALREADY HEARD FROM. MAY HAVE JUST GOTTEN TIED UP IN

TRAFFIC OR SOMETHING. >> TO CLARIFY THIS IS GOING TO

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BE A CONSERVATION EASEMENT PURCHASE, NOT A FULL PURCHASE?

>> THE CHAIR: THAT'S WHAT THE APPLICATION IS.

>> I HEARD HIM SAY -- I WASN'T SURE IF HE WANTED ME TO LEAVE? IN MY OPINION THIS PROPERTY IT SEEMS A GREAT HABITAT CORA DOOR ESPECIALLY IN AN AREA THAT'S GOING TO BE DEVELOPED OUT IN THE NEXT TEN YEARS. IT SEEMS LIKE THIS ONE WE NEED

TO KEEP IT AS NATURAL AS WE CAN. >> THE CHAIR: AS A REMINDER IF WE CAN FOSTER DISCUSSION, THE PLANNING STAFF HAS RECOMMENDED THE PARCEL AND THE ACQUISITION STAFF DOES NOT WRECK HIM IN THE PARCEL. WE HAVE A SPLIT DECISION ON THE

PARCEL. >> WHICH WINDOWS RECOMMENDED? SPEAK OUT THE REAL ESTATE STAFF REVIEWED IS NOT RECOMMENDED WAS FORWARD BECAUSE IT IS POSSIBLE MUCH OF THE ACREAGE HAS BEEN PREVIOUSLY -- NOT BEEN DEVELOPED DUE TO WETLANDS AND THE RISK OF DEVELOPING AS LOW. IT'S LESS LIKELY TO BE DEVELOPED GOING FORWARD PICK OF THE PLANNING STAFF REVIEW SAYS IT'S VULNERABLE, IT'S SET FOR RECHARGE, THERE IS AN ADJACENT 33.57-ACRE AND THE ACQUISITION WOULD MEET THE PRIMARY WATER

QUALITY PRIMARY HABITAT. >> DIDN'T HAVE THE RECOMMENDATION, THEY JUST HAD A NARRATIVE AT LEAST THAT I SAW.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION OF THE PARCEL? AS I SAID THERE ARE SIGNIFICANT WETLANDS BUT I'VE BEEN OFFERED SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF MONEY BY DEVELOPERS.

IS NOT A WORTHLESS PIECE OF PROPERTY.

>> THE CHAIR: HOW RECENT WERE THE --

>> I THINK ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO. IT WAS NOT A SMALL AMOUNT THEY OFFER TO. I TOLD THEM I SAID I REALLY DON'T WANT TO SELL WHAT I WANT TO TRY TO DO SOMETHING TO

PRESERVE THE PROPERTY. >> MY PROPERTY BACKS UP TO THIS PROPERTY AND I'M PROBABLY MORE FAMILIAR WITH IT THAT JUST ABOUT EVERYBODY. I'M ALSO A LAND PLANNER AND LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT ABOUT 50% OF PROPERTY IS UPLAND AND THE DEVELOPERS WERE LOOKING AT IT, THEY KNOW WHAT THEY'RE PLANNING ON DOING, THEY TAKE 170 ACRES AND GET THREE TO 1 RIGHTS AND TAKE 500 HOMES AND PUT IT ON THE 50% THAT'S UPLANDS AND LEAVE THE REST WETLANDS. IT'S DEVELOP-A BULL.

I'M THRILLED TO HEAR HE PUT A CONSERVATION.

IT IS A DECENT PIECE OF PROPERTY IT'S NOT ALL WET BY ANY MEANS.

COULD YOU GIVE ME A REAL SIMPLE RUNDOWN OF HOW THIS WORKS FROM THIS POINT? I'VE NEVER BEEN TO ONE OF YOUR

MEETINGS. >> THAT'S A GREAT QUESTED ON ONE BUT WE ARE STRUGGLING WITH OURSELVES.

IF YOU WANT TO STAY UP THE PODIUM IN CASE NOBODY FOLLOW-UP QUESTIONS, THE PROCESS AS I UNDERSTAND IT THE LAST TIME THROUGH WE VOTED ON THIS ENTERING THE PROGRAM WHICH PASSED IN OF THE PROGRAM TO WARRANT GREATER REVIEW.

THIS TIME WE'RE LOOKING AT THE PARCEL TO REPRESENT A PRIORITY PARCEL TO PURSUE. WE WILL GO THROUGH TODAY AND IF IT GETS RECOMMENDED, THE ONES THAT GET RECOMMENDED GET BUNDLED UP AND SENT TO A COMMISSIONER MEETING IN A MONTH LET'S SAY TWO MONTHS. THEY WILL GO TO COMMISSIONERS FOR APPROVAL, OURS IS A RECOMMENDATION.

ONCE THE COMMISSIONERS APPROVE IT, AT SOME POINT CLAY COUNTY WILL TALK TO THE OWNER AND GO INTO NEGOTIATIONS.

THE PROCESS 12 TO 18 MONTHS. >> THAT ANSWERS MY QUESTION I

HAD NO CLUE. >> THIS IS THE VERY BEGINNING OF

THE MAZE. >> CAN I THROW IN ONE MORE TH THING? GENERAL EXPECTATION MANAGEMENT, I DON'T KNOW WHEN WE'RE GOING TO ASK TO BUNDLE EVERYTHING AND GET IT TO THE BOARD. WHEN WE WERE STARTING THIS PROCESS WE THOUGHT IT WOULD BE THE NEXT MONTH OR THAT KIND OF

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THING BUT WE ARE GOING IN THE BUDGET SEASON WHERE WE HAVE A BUNCH OF STUFF GOING ON. WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO ASK THEM WHEN ARE THEY READY TO TAKE THAT ON RIGHT NOW? I KNOW IT'S NOT GOING TO BE THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS LIKE I SAID IT'S BUDGET SEASON. WEIBEL AT YOU AS THE BOARD NO, WE WILL LET THE PUBLIC NO, PUT A LITTLE BLURB ON THE WEBSITE FOR THE PROGRAM. IT WILL BE ON THE AGENDA FOR THE BOARD FOR THAT MEETING FOR THOSE WHO LOOK REGULARLY AT THE AGENDA MEETING, WE'LL BE IN TOUCH WITH THE APPLICANTS, THE PROPERTY OWNERS SO THEY KNOW WHEN IT'S ACTUALLY GOING TO GO.

AT THE MOMENT I CAN'T GIVE YOU A FIRM DATE AT ALL.

JUST TO LET EVERYBODY KNOW THAT. >> THE CHAIR: GOOD ANSWER.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR DISCUSSIONS? IF NOT WE NEED TO GET SOMEBODY TO PROPOSE WHAT THEY WANT TO DO

WITH THE PARCEL. >> WE WERE TALKING ABOUT SCORES.

EVERYTHING -- I'VE LOADED EVERYTHING IN EXCEPT THE THREE -- WE DON'T HAVE TONIGHT. AVERAGING OUT, IT COMES TO 5.43 AS A SCORE. 5.43, THE AVERAGE SCORE FOR THIS

ONE. >> SHOULD WE REVIEW ALL FOUR AND SEE HOW THEY SCORE COMPARATIVES? WHAT DO YOU THINK IS THE

COMMITTEE? >> WE ARE SENDING THE RECOMMENDATION, I WILL BUT THE DISCUSSION ON THIS TOO.

I THINK WE SHOULD ADDRESS EACH ONE IN TURN AND MOVE THROUGH THEM IN THAT MANNER. AT LEAST FOR ME IF I REVISIT

THEM I'M JUST GOING TO RETURN -- >> ON 5.4 IS THAT A GOOD SCORE, BAD SCORE, MODERATE SCORE? WHERE DOES THAT LAY ON THE WORLD

OF THE MATRIX? >> THE CHAIR: GOOD QUESTION.

>> WE HAVE THE EXPERT HERE FORTUNATELY.

>> I'M THE DIRECTOR OF CONSERVATION ACQUISITIONS, TROUBLE AND MORE IMPORTANTLY ON THE AUTHOR OF THE MANUAL ALONG WITH HEATHER THAT WE ARE USING. ANY FLAWS WITH THE MATRIX, THIS IS RIGHT TO ME. THAT'S YOUR QUESTION, I DON'T KNOW THIS IS THE FIRST TIME YOU'RE GOING THROUGH THIS.

YOU DON'T REALLY KNOW WHERE THE SCORES ARE GOING TO SETTLE OUT FOR THE KINDS OF PROPERTIES YOU HAVE IN CLAY COUNTY.

16 YEARS OF DOING THIS WITH THE SAME MODEL TO SAY MATRIX THE SCORES RANGE FROM 2-10. THE COMMITTEE WHERE YOU ALL SIT TO THE AVERAGE OF WHAT WE GOT IS APPLICATIONS AVERAGED JUST AROUND 5. THE AVERAGE OF IT MADE IT ONTO THE PRIORITY POOL AND WENT TO THE BOARD WAS ABOUT 7 AND THE AVERAGE OF WHAT GOD ACQUIRED WAS ABOUT 7.6, 7.8.

I PACKAGE THAT IS TO SAY GOOD STUFF CAME IN THE BEST OF THAT GOT PUT ON THE LIST AND WE BOUGHT THE BEST STUFF OFF THOSE THAT CAME TO US. 5.4 IS ABOVE AVERAGE, AVERAGE IS AROUND 5. SINCE YOU ARE DOING THIS FOR THE FIRST TIME I THINK THE SUGGESTION WAS LOOK AT ALL FOUR OF THEM AND MAYBE MAKE A DECISION BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE A CONTEXT. A YEAR FROM NOW WHEN YOU KNOW WHAT YOUR AVERAGE IS GOING TO BE YOU'RE GOING TO GO 5.4 THAT'S BELOW AVERAGE HOLD THAT FOR A MOMENT.

RIGHT NOW YOU DON'T HAVE ANY SENSE OF THAT.

I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO MAYBE LOOK AT ALL FOUR, LOOK AT THE SCORES DECIDE IF ANY OF THOSE LOOK LIKE YOU WANT TO MOVE THOSE

FORWARD. >> THE CHAIR: OKAY, THANK YOU.

[2. 2. Consideration of FFCLP 26-0002 to the Priority Pool Parcel #: 02-05-24-005134927-002-00 (40 acres) Formerly part of a dairy farm, this parcel is connected to Jennings State Forest by BF PCN. The property provides opportunity to view wildlife and native vegetation with both uplands and wetlands. It is priority #4 on FNAI’s Rare Species Habitat Conservation Priority scale. ]

ANY OBJECTIONS WITH DOING THAT? WE WILL REVISIT THIS ONE IF THERE'S NO MORE DISCUSSION, WE'LL MOVED TO THE SECOND ONE WHICH WAS? BEAR WITH ME.

I JUST GOT TO DIG THROUGH SUNRISE FARMS. DODI IS GOING TO PULL UP THOSE SCORES BUT JUST AS A REMINDER --

YES, SIR, PLEASE. >> WE'VE HAD THE PROPERTY IN OUR FAMILY FOR PROBABLY 40 YEARS AND IT WAS FORMERLY DAIRY.

WE JUST USE IT FOR RECREATION, HUNTING, PLANETS AND PINE TREES ON IT. NOT WHAT WE ARE OFFERING IS

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40 ACRES OF THE 52 THAT WE HAVE WITH ACCESS WITH A 30-FOOT WIDE ACCESS TO THE PROPERTY. I THINK I SENT A BROCHURE OR OVERCOME BY PROPERTY IS IT DESIGNATED, A WILDLIFE CORRIDOR FROM THE OSCEOLA NATIONAL FOREST, THEY WOULD HAVE A 100-MILE WIDE BARRIER THERE THAT THEY ARE USING SO WILDLIFE CAN WANDER BACK AND FORTH IN THIS LIES WITHIN THAT CORRIDOR.

A GOOD PART OF IT IS WETLANDS. WHAT DOES HAVE SOME UPLANDS ON IT. A LOT OF BEAUTIFUL TREES AND THE HYDROLOGY AND ALL OF THAT IS IN THE PACKAGE I'VE SENT YOU.

IT WORKS ITS WAY DOWN TO BLACK CREEK EVENTUALLY.

QUESTIONS? >> THE CHAIR: ANYBODY HAVE ANY

QUESTIONS? >> ARE YOU LOOKING FOR A FEE PURCHASE OR CONSERVATION EASEMENT?

>> I OFFERED UP AS A PURCHASE BUT I WOULD CONSIDER IT AS A

CONSERVATION EASEMENT. >> YOU SAID 40 ACRES OF THE 52 WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THE OTHER 12?

>> WE HAVE A DEVELOPER, HE OWNS THE PROPERTY TIED UP TO THE CORNER AND HE WAS GOING TO PUT SOME SINGLE-FAMILY HOUSING ON IT THAT WAS RECENTLY REJECTED, HAD A SECTION THAT WAS GOING TO BE REZONED. WORKING ANOTHER PLAN.

>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU, SIR.

AS A REMINDER OF THE REVIEW, ENVIRONMENTAL STAFF REVIEW SAYS THE PARCEL WILL MEET THE PRIMARY CONSERVATION GOALS.

THE PLANNING STAFF REVIEW RECOMMENDS APPROVAL.

IT'S NOT A PRIOR AREA BUT BETWEEN TWO MODERATE NEEDS FOR NEW PARKS AND THE REAL ESTATE STAFF REVIEW DOES NOT RECOMMEND THE PROPERTY MOVE FORWARD AS THE PRESENCE OF WETLANDS LIKELY PRECLUDES FUTURE DEVELOPMENT ON THE PARCEL, WHERE THE WHOLE PARCEL TO BE PROPOSED THAT WOULD CHANGE THE DECISION AND

RECOMMENDATION. >> I DO HAVE TO ASK A QUESTION FOR REBECCA. THERE WAS ONE FIELD WE DIDN'T HAVE A SCORE. OKAY.

THE LITTLE ANOMALIES COME I WANT TO MAKE SURE.

>> DOES A BLANK MESS UP THE CALCULUS?

>> IN THE MANUAL THE STORY GOES FROM 1 TO 5.

IF YOU'RE NOT USING THE SAME SCALE IS GOOD AND MESS UP YOUR SCORE. I WOULD HAVE YOU THINK ABOUT THAT BUT ZEROS ARE BLANKS, THEY MESS UP THE WAY IT WAS

CALCULATED. >> THE CHAIR: BLANKS IN ZEROS

ARE A NO-GO. >> WE WILL NEED TO DETERMINE HOW TO HANDLE THOSE. THE BLANKS IN ZEROS NEED TO BECOME ONE IS THAT WHAT I THINK I'M HEARING?

>> AT THE VERY LEAST. WHERE THEY ARE TRYING TO HIDE.

>> DEPENDING WHAT YOU MEANT BY ZERO THE WEIGHTS TO FIND THE MANUAL IS ONE IS NONTHAT DOES NOT MEET THAT CRITERIA, NOT A ZERO. I ASKED THE QUESTION WHAT IS IT YOU NEED TO INFORMATION ON AND WE CAN GIVE YOU A NUMBER.

>> WE DON'T HAVE A VALUE FOR THESE PROPERTIES.

IT'S HARD TO SAY IF THAT QUESTION -- IT'S HARD FOR ME TO READ THAT. WHETHER CONSERVATION VALUES, IT SAYS TO ME WE DON'T HAVE INFORMATION ON THAT.

>> I'M GLAD YOU ASKED THAT, WE WRESTLE ON THIS.

AT YOUR STAGE OF THE PROCESS YOU DON'T HAVE APPRAISALS YOU DON'T HAVE -- WHAT YOU DO HAVE IS THE JUST VALUE.

NONE OF US WOULD SELL OUR HOUSE FOR THAT NUMBER FOR LOTS OF

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REASONS. YOU HAVE OWNERS EXPECTATIONS AGAIN, TREAT THAT AS YOU WILL. WHAT I SUGGEST YOU USE AND THIS WILL BE COMMON FOR EVERYTHING YOU REVIEW GOING FORWARD IS USE THE JUST VALUE. THAT IS SOMETHING YOU HAVE THAT'S DONE PROFESSIONALLY, YOU HAVE AN AS A BASELINE FOR EVERY IS NOT WORTH IT TO GET APPRAISALS AT THIS POINT COME APPRAISALS COST MONEY AND YOU DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE GOING TO MOVE IT FORWARD OR NOT. I WOULD ANSWER THAT QUESTION BASED ON THE JUST VALUE AND SAY I'M GOING TO USE THE JUST VALUE FOR EVERY PROJECT GOING FORWARD. DOES THAT HELP? EASEMENTS ARE GOING TO BE ABOUT HALF THE VALUE, 60-70% -- YOU WILL GET A FEEL FOR THAT. LESS THAN THE FULL JUST VALUE.

>> THIS IS A QUESTION I'VE HAD WITH YOU GUYS BUY A LOT FOR THE COUNTY YOU'RE PAYING $2.5 MILLION JUST VALUE YOU WILL GIVE THEM HAVE THAT MONEY FOR THE EASEMENT RIGHTS?

>> FOR THE PURPOSES OF SCORING YOU'RE GOING TO USE ONE HALF MILLION DOLLARS IF IT'S A FEE SIMPLE TRANSFER.

IS THAT A GOOD VALUE FOR TWO AND HALF MILLION? IN YOUR MIND WILL MAKE THAT CALCULATION.

WHEN WE GO TO APPRAISE THE PROPERTY AND MAKE AN OFFER WE WILL HIRE INDEPENDENT APPRAISER AND GIVE US TRUE MARKET VALUE WHICH IS TYPICALLY HIGHER THAN WHAT THE JUST VALUE IS DEPENDING ON THE COUNTY. I FOUND THE PROPERTY APPRAISER USED 60 TO 70% AND THAT'S NOT TAXABLE THAT'S THE JUST VALUE.

THE MARKET VALUE COMES HIGHER. >> I GUESS THAT'S MY QUESTION, WITH OUR MIND SHOULD BE AS A FACTOR OF 1.2 MILLION.

IS IT WORTH BUYING WITH THAT CONSERVATION EASEMENT?

DO WE USE DIFFERENT VALUATIONS? >> I WOULD DO IT 1 OF 2 WAYS DEPENDING ON WHAT YOU'RE MOST COMFORTABLE WITH AND HOW FAMILIAR WAR WITH THE THE DIFFERENCE OF JUST VALUE.

WE GOT COMFORTABLE WITH SAYING THE JUST VALUE IS HALF, FEE SIMPLE VALUE IS 3, HOW WAS CONSERVATION VALUES? IT'S A CONSERVATION EASEMENT WE WOULD SATE THREE IS THE STARTING POINT. EASEMENTS LOWER THAT VALUE PROBABLY 50-60%. NOW IT'S A GOOD VALUE FOR 1.4, $1.8 MILLION. IF YOU'RE NOT COMFORTABLE MAKING THAT VALUATION, USE THE SAME PERCENTAGES FOR THE EASEMENT OF THE JUST VALUE. IN YOUR MIND YOU WILL BE CONSISTENT FOR EVERYTHING YOU REVIEW COMMENTS THAT MAKE SENSE?

>> THE CHAIR: ANY DISCUSSION? >> I'M GOING TO NEED TO HAVE DIRECTION FROM EACH OF YOU IN THAT CASE ABOUT THE SCORES THAT ARE ZEROS OR BLANKS. DO YOU WANT ME TO FILL IN THE BLANKS OR THE ZEROS WITH A ONE? IF YOU HAVE ALREADY SCORED TO THIS, DOES THAT CHANGE HOW YOU WANT TO SCORE THE REST OF THIS? THIS COULD BE A HUGE DEAL. YES, THAT'S BIG.

IF IT INFLUENCES YOUR SCORE SIGNIFICANTLY THEN, THEN WE NEED TO BE EQUITABLE AND MAKE SURE WE ARE ON THE SAME PAGE AND IF YOU NEED TO REDO AND BRING IT BACK NEXT MONTH, THEN THAT WOULD BE THE RIGHT THING TO DO. BUT IT IS YOUR CALL.

WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE ARE TOUCHING THEM AND SCORING THEM OR WE CAN SIT HERE, ABSOLUTELY AND DO IT TONIGHT.

I JUST NEED TO WALK THROUGH IT WITH EACH OF YOU.

>> THOSE ONLY A FEW THAT DID THE ZEROS.

>> ALL MY ZEROS GO TO ONES. IT SHOULDN'T AFFECT ANYTHING

ELSE. >> ONES GO TWO TO GOES?

>> ALL THE OTHER SCORES ARE SET. >> YOU USE A LOT OF ZEROS,

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THAT'S FINE. >> I WOULD BE OKAY WITH THAT

ONLY HAVE TWO ONES. >> LET ME GO UP TO THE BEGINNING

OF THIS ONE. >> WHAT WOULD YOU NEED, DO YOU

NEED ANOTHER REDO? >> WE CAN JUST GO WITH WHAT'S THERE, THAT'S FINE. I THINK SOME OF THESE ARE A BIT CONFUSING BECAUSE THEY HAVE PUT EITHER CONSERVATION EASEMENT OR FEE SIMPLE OF THAT AFFECTS THE RECREATION VALUES I HAVE PUT IN

THEIR. >> IT'S UP TO YOU.

I DON'T WANT TO CHANGE ANYTHING THAT YOU ALL DIDN'T AGREE TO, SO TO SPEAK. LET'S LOOK THROUGH THESE.

YOU'VE ALREADY SAID IF IT'S ZERO WE CAN MAKE IT ONE SO I WILL DO

THAT. >> I WILL ENTERTAIN YOU WITH ANOTHER WAR STORY. REBECCA'S POINT, WHEN IT'S SUBMITTED AND YOU SCORE IF YOU GET TO THIS POINT AND ITS CONSERVATION EASEMENT THERE IS NO PUBLIC RECREATION AND THAT MAY BE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S IMPORTANT TO THE BOARD AND TO YOU GUYS. YOU GIVE IT A LOW SCORE BECAUSE THAT'S THE ONE. THE LANDOWNER MIGHT REALIZE THAT AND SAY THIS HAPPENED TO US IN NASSAU COUNTY.

THE LANDOWNER SAID I DON'T WANT TO BE THROWN OUT, I WANT TO WORK WITH THE COUNTY ON A SCHEDULED PUBLIC ACCESS, SOME KIND OF KAYAK LAUNCH OR EDUCATIONAL OUTING FOR BOY SCOUTS, WHATEVER IT IS. THEY GOT THE POINTS FOR THAT.

THE LANDOWNER NEEDS TO UNDERSTAND THAT THEIR PROPERTY MAY SCORE LOWER THE LACK OF PUBLIC ASSESS VERSUS FEE WITH THE COUNTY HAS ACCESS AND COULD PUT RECREATION.

THE COUNCIL I WOULD GIVE YOU IS THAT SHOULDN'T HURT GOOD CONSERVATION PROPERTIES PART OF THE SCORE MIGHT BE LOWER BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO THOSE POINTS THEY MAY HAVE REALLY GOOD CONSERVATION VALUE OTHERWISE. CONDUCTIVITY, AGRICULTURE, WHATEVER YOUR VALUES ARE. UNDERSTAND A 5.4 PROJECT MAY BE GOOD IS 6.5 FEE SIMPLE. I THINK REBECCA'S POINT IS YOU NEED TO KNOW WHAT THE LANDOWNER IS OFFERING YOU RIGHT NOW TO GIVE IT A SCORE. I'VE HEARD A COUPLE OF LANDOWNERS SAY THEY ARE WILLING TO ENTERTAIN EITHER.

>> FOR THE ONE YOU LEFT BLANK I'M CHANGING THAT TO A ONE? MARK, YOU ALSO HAD A NUMBER OF ZEROS, AND MY CHANGE GOES TO ONES AS WELL? WE NOW HAVE A 4.42 OVERALL SCORE -- NO WE DON'T COME HANG ON.

I CAN'T GO BY THAT NUMBER I HAVE TO MANUALLY RECALCULATE, IT'S

FINE. >> WHILE DODI IS DOING THAT THIS GETS TO REBECCA'S QUESTION MAY BE WHAT WE WANT TO DO IN THE DISCUSSION -- I WAS KIND OF HOLDING OFF.

MY OPINION ON THIS PROPERTY SPECIFICALLY, I WOULD BE WILLING TO RECOMMEND IT TO MOVE FORWARD AN EASEMENT ONLY.

I DON'T SEE THE NEED TO PURSUE THIS AS FEE SIMPLE.

IF AND WHEN WE GOT TO THE POINT WHERE WE ARE DOING WHAT WE ARE VOTING ON, THAT'S WHAT I WOULD VOTE TOWARDS.

IF THIS WAS FOR A FEE SIMPLE I WOULD VOTE NO.

THAT'S GOING TO WAY INTO PUBLIC ACCESS AND VALUE, JUST IN TERMS

OF DISCUSSION. >> I WOULD AGREE WITH YOU.

>> I WOULD AGREE WITH YOU. I'M NOT SURE HOW WE DO THAT.

I GUESS WE WOULD MOVE FORWARD. >> WE CAN MAKE ANY MOTION.

THE MOTION WOULD BE WE RECOMMEND THIS FOR INCLUSION INTO THE

PROJECT. >> I THINK WE CAN ADD WHATEVER

CAVEATS WE MAKE UP AS WE GO. >> I THINK BUYING THIS LAND WOULD BE A COST BURDEN TO THE COUNTY.

>> LIMITED FUND PROGRAM. SPEAK OF THE MAINTENANCE OF IT

WOULD BE NOT WORTH IT. >> DID YOU WANT TO STICK HERE

FOR A MINUTE? >> I'VE UPDATED THIS ONE NOW.

THAT WAS NUMBER 2. >> DO YOU WANT TO GO BACK TO

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ONE? >> 4.59.

[3. 3. Consideration of FFCLP 26-0004 to the Priority Pool Parcel #s: 12-05-24-006219-001-00 and 42-05-25-021388-001-00 These two parcels are located on the south side of the South Fork of Black Creek and immediately adjacent on the west side of the Black Creek Ravines Conservation Area. There are opportunities to view wildlife and possibly light recreation such as a boardwalk connection to the Black Creek Ravines Conservation Area trails. ]

>> THE THIRD APPLICATION WE ARE LOOKING AT TODAY...

IS LITTLE BEAR. IS SOMEBODY HERE TO SPEAK? THANKS FOR COMING BACK. DID YOU HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS FROM THE LAST TIME YOU WERE HERE THAT YOU WANT TO MAKE? OKAY, TAKE YOUR TIME. IF I NEED TO GET ORGANIZED

ANYWAY. >> IT'S GOING TO CHANGE AS SOON AS WE GET INTO MAKING THE CHANGES BASED ON THE ONES AND ZEROS. I DON'T EVEN HAVE A CALCULATED.

JUST TO REMIND EVERYBODY, THIS IS 27 ACRES PLUS OR MINUS ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE GOLF COURSE. THERE IS NO ANSWER AS FAR AS FEE SIMPLE OR CONSERVATION EASEMENT AS LEAST IN THE APPLICATION DOCUMENT. IF YOU GIVE ME ONE SECOND I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU THE RECOMMENDATIONS WE WERE GIVEN AND LET YOU SPEAK. FEEL FREE TO STAY THERE.

THE ENVIRONMENTAL STAFF REVIEW GAVE US THAT INFORMATION.

THE REASON IT WAS PREVIOUSLY A GOLF COURSE AND THERE WERE A FEW NATURAL COMMUNITIES ON THE SITE DUE TO CONTAMINANTS OF GOLF COURSE YOU SEND LIMITED OPPORTUNITY FOR RECREATION NOT RECOMMENDED TO AS THE ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW.

THE PLANNING STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL, HIGH PRIORITY AREA FOR PARK SPACE AND ADJACENT IN BLACK CREEK RAVINES AND IT'S IN THE FLOODWAY ALSO POTENTIALLY SOME PARTNERSHIP WITH WATER MANAGEMENT. THE REAL ESTATE STAFF REVIEW RECOMMENDS THE PROPERTY MOVES FORWARD TO.

THIS LITTLE RISK OF THE PROPERTY BEING DEVELOPED, HOWEVER IT'S POSITIONED ADJACENT TO THE RAVINES DEEMED WORTHY OF CONSIDERATION. ALL YOURS.

>> MY NAME IS DAVID PEPPER AND THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY.

I THINK THE PROPERTY -- I WISH I COULD TAKE YOU ON A FIELD TRIP THERE AND SHOW YOU LIVE OAKS THIS BIG AROUND.

THE PROPERTY HAS LOTS OF WILDLIFE, PEOPLE USED TO HUNT ON IT AND AT BACKS RIGHT UP TO THE OTHER PARK.

SO WE HAVE A COMMON BORDER WITH THE PARK THAT'S ALREADY ESTABLISHED THERE. WE HAVE 1900 FEET ON BLACK CREEK. IT HAS LITTLE ELEVATION, PROBABLY, 6-FOOT BLUFF ALONG WATER THERE AND A PART WHERE THERE IS LITTLE WETLANDS. OVERALL, IT IS A GREAT PIECE OF LAND AS FAR AS THE ANIMALS GO, FULL OF DEER, FULL OF TURKEYS, FULL OF EVERYTHING. IT WOULD MAKE A FABULOUS WALK, THAT 1900 FEET DOWN THE RIVER TO BE ATTACHED TO THE PARK THAT'S THERE. THE FUTURE DEVELOP ABILITY ON THE PARK, THERE IS SOME THAT COULD BE HAD TO.

PROBABLY ONE OF YOUR WORST POSSIBLE CASES IF SOMEBODY TRIES TO BUY AND DEVELOP THE OLD GOLF COURSE.

AND THEN THEY NEED A PLACE TO PUT BOATS, THE PLACE TO PUT D DOCS. THEY CAN CERTAINLY PURCHASE THIS LAND AND ON 1900 FEET THAT CAN PUT A LOT OF DOCS.

THERE'S A COUPLE PLACES YOU CAN BUILD HOUSES IF YOU WANTED TO.

IT'S NOT UNDEVELOPABLE AND YOU HAVE A WILLING SELLER TO ME.

I AM A TREE HUGGER. I'M 76 YEARS OLD, I'VE GOT TO DO SOMETHING FOR MY CHILDREN AND MY FAMILY, I'VE GOT TO MOVE THE PROPERTY IN SOME WAY. I DON'T WANT TO SEE ANY DEVELOPMENT AND I CERTAINLY DON'T WANT THOSE PEOPLE THAT HAVE THAT GOLF COURSE THAT EVER GET A HOLD OF IT BECAUSE THAT THEN GIVES THE GOLF COURSE WATERFRONT AND IF YOU CAN'T

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BUILD ON IT, YES IT MAY BE IN SOME FLOOD ZONES BUT YOU CAN'T PUT A DOCK OUT THERE. I THINK THIS IS A GOLDEN OPPORTUNITY FOR Y'ALL. I'M WILLING TO BARGAIN.

I'M NOT SOMEBODY THAT'S TRYING TO GET THE LAST DROP OUT OF ANYTHING. MY WANT TO WORK WITH Y'ALL.

I WANT TO SEE IT HAPPEN. I WANT TO SEE THE PARK NEXT DOOR LENGTH AND ITS PATHWAYS GO AROUND ALL THAT AREA.

YOU HAVE TO GO OUT THERE AND SEE HOW BEAUTIFUL THE PROPERTY IS.

>> YOUR IMPLICATION YOU LEFT FEE CONSERVATION BLANK LEANING

TOWARD THE FEE PURCHASE. >> WE WANT TO SELL IT, WE DON'T WANT TO DO THAT. I'M 76 YEARS OLD, I'M TRYING TO GET -- PUT TOGETHER WHATEVER I'M GOING TO LEAVE MY KIDS AND WHATEVER IS GOING TO HAPPEN. IF Y'ALL DIDN'T GO WITH IT, PROBABLY WHOEVER ENDS UP WITH THAT GOLF COURSE WILL END UP WITH IT. I STRONGLY ENCOURAGE YOU NOT TO PASS UP THIS OPPORTUNITY. ANY QUESTIONS?

HIT ME WITH EVERYTHING. >> QUESTIONS? THANK YOU, SIR. AS FAR AS DISCUSSION, DO WE WANT TO GO THROUGH THE SCORES FIRST? LET'S WORK TO THE SCORES FIRST SO WE HAVE REAL NUMBERS TO LOOK AT.

>> FOR 3.45 YOU CAN MAKE THAT A 4.

OKAY. AND THEN FOR THE BLANK YOU CAN

PUT 4. >> THAT'S ANOTHER QUESTION, THE SAMPLE MATRIX THEY PUT 2.5, 2.75, ONE THROUGH FIVE OR 1.5 IT

DOESN'T -- >> WE DIDN'T SPECIFY WE COULD USE WHOLE NUMBERS OR FRACTIONS IT'S UP TO YOU ENTIRELY.

IT DOESN'T MAKE A DIFFERENCE. >> THE CHAIR: IT WOULD BE

ABSORBED IN THE CALCULUS. >> JOSH, YOU LEFT ONE BLANK.

PROTECTION OF WILDLIFE CONSERVATION CORD OR THE VERY FIRST ONE SAYS AT LEAST 50% OF THE PROPERTY IS IN THE CURRENT FLORIDA WILDLIFE CORRIDOR AS ADOPTED BY THE STATE LEGIS LEGISLATURE. THE ANSWER IS NO? OKAY. THANK YOU.

>> WHILE DODI WORKS TO THE SCORES IN THE INTEREST OF DISCUSSION IN THE INTEREST OF WHAT WE ARE GOING TO PROPOSE TO DO WITH THESE PROPERTIES, TO ME AND THIS GETS BACK TO YOUR QUESTION HOW DO WE JUDGE VALUE? THIS ONE HAS A UNIQUE POSITION FOR A PARTNERSHIP AGREEMENT BOTH IN MANAGEMENT AND POTENTIALLY PURCHASE DOLLARS. I RANKED MY SCORES ON THAT POSSIBILITY OF WATER MANAGEMENT BEING ABLE TO BOTH HELP PURCHASE AND TAKE OVER MANAGEMENT. POTENTIALLY WE CAN MOVE THIS ONE FORWARD WITH THE RECOMMENDATION IT DOESN'T GET ENTERED IN THE PROGRAM UNTIL DISCUSSIONS HAVE OCCURRED WITH WATER MANAGEMENT, AT LEAST INFORMALLY. I DON'T THINK THE COUNTY NEEDS TO TAKE IT OVER FROM MANAGEMENT. I THINK THAT'S A BURDEN UNLESS THEY HAVE DESIGNS ON IT IT MAKES SENSE TO BE AN EXTENSION OF THE EXISTING WATER MANAGEMENT PARK THAT SORTING MANAGED RIGHT NEXT DOOR. IF WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT ONE, WITH THIS ONE ESPECIALLY AT FULL FEE, THAT WOULD BE THE CAP YACHT I WOULD PUT ON TO SUPPORT THIS END OF THE PROGRAM.

I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE NOT MANAGED BY THE COUNTY.

>> I THINK THE WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT NEEDS TO HELP US WITH THE FUNDS FOR THIS IF WE PURSUE IT, 100% MANAGEMENT.

I DON'T WANT ANY OF THE MANAGEMENT OF THIS FEE PURCHASE COMING OUT OF OUR FUTURE PURCHASING POWER.

>> THE CHAIR: WHEN WE GET BACK TO THIS PARCEL THAT WOULD BE THE WAY MY BRAIN WAS GOING ON THIS ONE.

>> IF IT DOES I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO PURCHASE IT, THAT WOULD

BE PART OF IT. >> I WANTED TO REMIND THE COMMITTEE YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO RECOMMEND WHAT'S CALLED A BARGAIN SHARE LIST WHICH IS NO MORE THAN 50% COMES FROM COUNTY FUNDS AND YOU CAN ADD TO THAT SAYING WORK WITH THE WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT THAT'S ON THE PROP DOMESTIC PARTNER ON THE CRITICAL WETLANDS LIST. YOU COULD ADD THAT RECOMMENDATION. I KNEW I SHOULD'VE SAID IT

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FIRST. >> YOU'RE WELCOME BACK ANYTIME.

SPEAK OF THE CONVERSATION ABOUT CONSERVATION EASEMENTS AT WHETHER OR NOT FEAR CONSERVATION HAD TO DECIDE AMONG THEM AND IF THEY HAVE OFFERED BOTH TO YOU, YOU NEED TO PICK THE ONE YOU FEEL BEST SERVES THE COUNTY. FOR THE EXAMPLE YOU WERE DEALING WITH, THERE WASN'T ANY VALUE THERE, THERE WASN'T ANY VALUE TO OWNING IT THE WAY WE THINK ABOUT IT AND THE FIELD IS ARE THE CONSERVATION VALUES THE PROPERTY, THE REASONS WANT TO PUT FORWARD -- WOULD THEY BE PROTECTED WITH JUST AN EASEMENT? OR DO YOU NEED TO OWN IT TO BE ABLE TO ACCESS THOSE WHETHER IT'S RECREATION OR WHATEVER IT IS? THE AGRICULTURAL PROPERTY I DON'T SEE ANY REASON FOR THE COUNTY TO BE BUYING AGRICULTURAL PROPERTY.

YOUR DISCUSSION IS RIGHT ON IT THEY OFFERED YOU BOTH YOU PICK ONE YOU SCORE IT THE WAY YOU THINK YOU WANT IT BASED ON THOSE VALUES YOU WANT TO PROTECT AND YOU GO FROM THERE.

>> THANK YOU. >> FOR THE SCORING I JUST NEED TO CONFIRM THAT YOU ARE GOOD WITH CHANGING THESE AND MARK AS WELL? I DON'T THINK ANYBODY ELSE HAD ZEROS SO WE ARE GOOD TO. I WILL NEED TO GIVE YOU A NEW NUMBER, JUST A SECOND WHILE I GET THE CALCULATOR OUT.

>> THE CHAIR: ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS ONE? WHILE WE ARE LETTING DODI DO MATH? I DO APPRECIATE THEIR PATIENCE, THE FIRST TRY AT THIS COME UP AND BACK AND SEE HIS NEXT MONTH WE WILL BE EVEN SMOOTHER.

THANK YOU JOSH, BIG HELP. THAT'S WHY WE KEEP JOSH END.

>> ALL RIGHT, SO. IT COMES OUT IT 5.14.

>> THE CHAIR: WE ARE ON THE SAME BASKET.

AND THE OTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS ONE, TALK ABOUT THE SCORES.

SURE. I THINK WE RECOMMEND TO MOVE FORWARD ONLY WHAT HAPPENS. THEY'RE WILLING TO WORK WITH US.

IN THE FUTURE AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THERE'S A LOT OF USE ON

THAT PROPERTY. >> THE CHAIR: FULL DISCLOSURE I USE TO MANAGE BLACK CREEK RAVINES AND I'VE SEEN THAT PARCEL AND IT IS, IT WOULD BE A BEAUTIFUL LOOP TRAIL.

IT ALSO ALLOWS -- IT MATTERS THAT BLOCK THAT IS THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF THAT PROPERTY AND THAT BLOCK IS NOTORIOUSLY DIFFICULT TO BURN BECAUSE THERE'S CURRENTLY NO LINE THAT'S EASY TO HOLD. THE INCLUSION OF THAT PARCEL YOU CAN LOOP BEHIND THAT WETLAND AND TIE INTO SAND ON THE RIVER AND IT MAKES THAT ENTIRE 150-ACRE BLOCK UP THEIR BURNABLE WARTS VERY DIFFICULT NOW FOR THE WATER MANAGEMENT TO BURN.

IT SERVES A MANAGEMENT FUNCTION AS WELL AND THE DISTRICT DOES BURN IT PRETTY FREQUENTLY. I THINK GIVEN AN INVESTMENT THAT WOULD BE CAPITALIZED ON. BEFORE WE MOVED A 4 ANY FINAL

[4. 4. Consideration of FFCLP 26-0008 to the Priority Pool Parcel #s: 23-06-25-010538-003-00 and 23-06-25-010538-000-00 (104 acres) Mostly improved pasture with some coniferous plantations and longleaf pine habitat. A mixture of more and most vulnerable aquifer recharge area with possible black bear habitat. ]

COMMENTS ON 3? WE CAN COME BACK AND TALK MORE THEN. THE FOURTH ONE WHICH IS ALSO NUMBER 8 FOR US IS A CONSERVATION EASEMENT WITH MR. AND MRS. BUCKWALTER, WILL BE CALLING THIS ONE? I LOST THE NAME. GARY ROAD?

GOOD TO SEE YOU AGAIN. >> DAVID BURKHALTER, 4-3-3-4 GARY ROAD TO. MY FAMILY AND THE CARLYLE FAMILY HAVE THAT HALF A SECTION SINCE THE LATE 50S.

MY FAMILY SOLD IT TO THE CARLISLE'S AND I HAVE SINCE MARRIED LINDA CARLISLE. I'M KIND OF BACK ON THE HORN PIECE. EASEMENT ONLY IS WHAT WE HAVE AN INTEREST IN. I HAVE NO INTENTION OF SELLING

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THE PROPERTY. THE PROPERTY ITSELF HAS PROBABLY 75 ACRES, 80 ACRES OF PLANTED TIMBER THAT WAS PLANTED AFTER THE SPURLIN FIRE AND GOT BACK GOING AGAIN.

WE HAVE PROBABLY 12-15 ACRES OF PENSACOLA HAYFIELD.

THE AREA HAS APPROXIMATELY -- I'M GUESSING AT THIS -- 40 TO 5E FARM WITH THE PINES THAT WERE ON IT, THE ONES THAT HAVE BEEN BURNED PREVIOUSLY, WE HAVE 5 TO 8 ACRES OF PROBABLY 40-50-YEAR-OLD TIMBER ON IT. IT'S A BEAUTIFUL PIECE OF PROPERTY. WE'VE DONE 1 TO 2-ACRE FISH POND IN IT FOR THE GRANDKIDS TO HAVE A PLACE TO LEARN HOW TO FISH AND ENJOY. THE DEER USE IT NIGHTLY, WE SEE THEM COME TO THE POND. YESTERDAY THERE WAS THREE BUCKS AND A SEVEN DOES COME TO THE FEEDERS AND WE FEED THEM YEAR-ROUND, IT'S NOT JUST A PART-TIME SCENARIO.

I LOVE TO HUNT BUT I HUNT IN OTHER AREAS.

I GOT EXPLICIT INSTRUCTIONS FROM MY WIFE NOT TO SHOOT SUSIE OR JANIE OR WHOEVER THAT MIGHT BE AND THE TURKEYS ARE JUST ABOUT AS BAD. WE HAD 17 ACRES OF BULLETS RAISE THIS YEAR, THEY COME AND WORK EVERY DAY.

EASEMENT IS WHAT WE ARE AFTER, WE ENJOY THE WILDLIFE ON THE PROPERTY. IT'S 104 ACRES, TWO HOMES ON IT AND ACTUALLY THREE BARNS. EQUIPMENT TRACTORS, EQUIPMENT IMPLEMENTS ET CETERA. WE ENJOY IT.

I WOULD WELCOME EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU TO CALL -- I'M RETIRED AND I WOULD BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO PUT YOU ON A SIDE-BY-SIDE AND RIDE YOU AROUND AND SHOW YOU WHAT WE'VE GOT, IT'S HARD TO IMAGINE SOME OF IT SO BEAUTIFUL.

I'M SURE WE ALL FEEL THAT ABOUT OUR PROPERTIES, BUT YOU'D HAVE TO SEE IT TO UNDERSTAND IT. THAT OFFER IS OPEN, GIVE US A CALL. OR WE WOULD BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO SHOW YOU AROUND. ANY QUESTIONS?