I HAD MY VOLUME WAY UP. COULD NOT HEAR ANYTHING. %-P [Call to Order] [Approval of Minutes] [00:00:13] >> HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD IS CALLED TO ORDER. IF EVERYBODY'S HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK OVER THE MINUTES. I'LL ENTERTAIN THE MOTION FOR THE MINUTES. >> I HAVE A CHANGE. I HAVE A MODIFICATION. THERE IS AN ERROR. A TYPO. MS. INSTEAD OF MR.. >> THAT'S IN FASHION THESE DAYS. OKAY. IS THERE ANY OTHER CORRECTIONS OR ADDITIONS? >> NO. >> I'LL MOTION TO APPROVE IF THERE'S NO OTHER COMMENTS. >> I SECOND. >> HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND. ALL IN FAVOUR SAY AYE. >> AYE. >> ANY OPPOSED? SO CARRIED. [Old Business] NOW LET'S SEE. OLD BUSINESS. WE HAVE THE ELECTION OF HISTORICAL PRESERVATION BOARD OFFICERS FOR THE 2026 THROUGH 2027 YEAR. AND LET'S SEE. WE HAVE SHAUN ATWELL FOR CHAIR AND STEVE GRIFFETH FOR VICE CH CHAIR. ANY OTHER NOMINATIONS AT THIS TIME? >> SO I HAVE A QUESTION. SO SHAWN, DID YOU RESUBMIT? >> I'LL RESUBMIT. YEAH, BEFORE MY TERM IS UP. >> OKAY. UH. >> ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR SUGGESTIONS. IF NOT. THEN I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR APPROVAL. >> I MOVE WE APPROVE. >> I SECOND. >> THE SLATE AS INDICATED BY YOU, NOW. RATHER THAN WHAT WAS PRINTED IN THE PACT. >> WITHOUT THE MIS-SPELLINGS, YES. >> OKAY. SO ALL IN FAVOUR OF SHAWN AND STEVE TAKING CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR SAY AYE? >> ALL: AYE. >> ANY OPPOSED? SO CARRIED. CEMETERY WORK UPDATE. I GUESS WE'LL START WITH KATHY. >> I WOULD BEGIN IF I PRINTED OUT MY INFORMATION, BUT I WILL TELL YOU THAT WE DID SOME WORK AT SAUDER, JUST BASIC MAINTENANCE. WE'RE LOOKING TO DO ANOTHER CLEAN-UP THIS MONTH. MCKEN DRAE WE HAD SOME FOLKS COME OUT AND DO SOME WORK. AND HELP WITH THE MAINTENANCE LAST MONTH AND WE'RE GOING TO DO SOME MORE THIS MONTH. AND MY BIG THING LATELY IS ABOUT THE BRANNING CEMETERY. AT GARY'S FERRY. AND IT'S ALREADY ON THE FLOOR MASTERSIDE FILE. I'VE BEEN OUT THERE BEFORE. I WAS OUT THERE ABOUT A YEAR A AGO. WENT OUT THERE AGAIN RECENTLY. AND THERE'S A WHOLE PRESERVATION SCOPE OF WORK THAT IS SUPPOSED TO BE DONE. AND NOT ALL OF IT'S BEEN DONE. SO I'M A LITTLE BIT CONCERNED ABOUT THAT. THERE IS A-- I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO CALL EIGHT KIOSK. IT'S A LITTLE BUILDING INSIDE THE COMMUNITY CENTER THAT HAS SOME ARTIFACTS THAT WERE PUT IN THERE. THAT'S PART OF IT. BUT THE HEADSTONES THAT WERE FOUND THERE WERE REMOVED FOR SAFEKEEPING. SO WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHO HAS THEM. AND I COULDN'T SEE ANY MARKERS AS TO WHERE THEY WILL BE REINSTALLED. THERE WAS NO MARKERS ABOUT THE CEMETERY. THERE WAS NO-- I DON'T KNOW, THERE WAS NOTHING. OTHER THAN THE LITTLE KIOSK AT THE COMMUNITY CENTRE. SO I SENT ALL THE DOCUMENTS THAT WAS DONE BY THE ARCHAEOLOGISTS BACK IN 2021 BEFORE THE DEVELOPMENT WAS DONE. I SENT IT OVER TO THE STATE OF FLORIDA HISTORICAL COMMISSION. AND ASKED THEM WHAT THEIR [00:05:02] INVOLVEMENT WAS. BECAUSE I DON'T SEE WHAT'S BEEN DONE. OTHER THAN THIS LITTLE BITTY KIOSK WITH SOME-- YOU KNOW, ARTIFACTS IN IT. THERE'S NO SIGN, THERE'S NO NOTHING. SO I'M A LITTLE BIT CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON THERE. SO LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND. SO GARY'S FERRY WAS ACTUALLY CREATED BEFORE FORT HILEMAN. IT WAS DONE ON THE NORTH SIDE OF BLACK CREEK. THERE WAS A SETTLEMENT THERE. THERE WAS A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT LIVED THERE AND BURIED THERE. AND THEN THE SEMINOLE WARS CAME AND FORT HILEMAN CAME ABOUT. THEY CAME ACROSS BLACK CREEK THERE. AND THEN FORT HILEMAN WAS GONE BY 1842. BUT GARY'S FERRY CONTINUED TO BE THERE BEYOND THAT POINT. AND THERE'S PEOPLE THAT ARE BURIED THERE. SO I'VE STARTED DOING SOME RESEARCH ON THE PEOPLE THAT I KNOW WERE BURIED THERE. AND TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT HAPPENED WITH THEM, BUT I DON'T SEE ANY HISTORICAL MARKER. OR ANYTHING ELSE. BUT I CAN TELL YOU, THE RESEARCH I'VE DONE ON GENEALOGY BANK WHICH HAS ALL KINDS OF NEWSPAPER ARTICLES ABOUT GARY'S FERRY, THERE'S A HUGE NUMBER OF NEWSPAPER ARTICLES ACROSS THE COUNTRY ABOUT THE SEMINOLE WARS IN GARY'S FERRY. SO I'M A LITTLE BIT CONCERNED WHY THERE ISN'T A MARK ER OR ANYTHING ELSE AT GARY'S FERRY. >> THE PRECISE LOCATION OF THESE BURIAL PLACES HAS NEVER BEEN VERY WELL SETTLED. EXCEPT WHEN THEY RUN ACROSS SOME ACTUAL HUMAN REMAINS. BUT THEY DIDN'T-- FOR EXAMPLE, THE ONE BY THE BOAT RAMP, THAT APPARENTLY WAS USUALLY REGARDED AS A BURIAL DURING THE PERIOD OF THE WAR. BUT IT'S ALSO BEEN REFERRED TO AT TIMES AS A BAPTIST CEMETERY. AND SO FORTH. SO-- AND AS FOR THE NORTH SIDE, THOSE WERE ALL KIND OF INFORMAL TOO. SO YEAH. >> RIGHT, BUT I'VE DONE SOME RESEARCH ON MARTHE-- ONE OF THE FEW REMAINING HEADSTONES LEGIBLE AND SHE DIED IN 1846 WHICH IS BEYOND THE TIME OF FORT HILEMAN. AND SHE WAS BURIED AT GARY'S FERRY AND SAMUEL GARY WHICH STARTED THE FERRY AND THE BRIDGE AND ALL THAT STUFF IN THE 1830S, HE'S SUPPOSEDLY BURIED THERE. HIS WIFE IS BURIED THERE. THERE'S SEVERAL DIFFERENT THINGS AND I'VE FOUND ANOTHER ONE FOR CHARLES HEWITT THAT DIED IN 1839 THAT IS BURIED AT GARY'S FERRY. SO IT'S MORE THAN FORT HILEMAN. GARY'S FERRY WENT BEYOND WHAT FORT HILEMAN DID. BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY MARTHA TYSAN WAS BURIED THERE IN 1846. AND FORT MHILEMAN WAS DESTROYED IN 1842. >> I MEAN IT WAS DEVASTATED BY A HURRICANE BUT IT WAS STILL ADMINISTERED BY THE ARMY FROM POLACKA FOR ANOTHER YEAR. >> RIGHT NOT IN 1846. SO I'M WONDERING WHY THERE ISN'T A HISTORICAL MARKER FOR GARY'S FERRY AND THE COMMUNITY THAT WAS THERE. BECAUSE IT WAS THERE BEFORE THE SEMINOLE WARS. BEFORE FORT HILEMAN AND AFTER THAT. SO I'VE BEEN DOING A LOT OF RESEARCH ABOUT THAT AREA AND THE PEOPLE SUPPOSEDLY BURIED THERE. BUT WHEN YOU GO THERE, THERE I WAS A YEAR AGO AND THERE WAS NO REMNANTS OF ANYTHING. THE ARCHAEOLOGIST KEVIN HIP RT DID A REPORT IN 2021 ABOUT THAT WHOLE AREA. BEFORE THE DEVELOPMENT CAME IN FOR THAT SUBDIVISION THAT CAME IN THAT AREA. AND YOU KNOW THERE'S A WHOLE SCOPE OF WORK FOR PRESERVATION THAT HAS NOT BEEN FOLLOWED. NOT EVERYTHING THAT THEY'VE SCOPED OUT IN THE PRESERVATION SCOPE OF WORK HAS BEEN DONE. >> WELL WHAT THINGS WERE ON THE LIST THAT HAVEN'T BEEN DONE THAT YOU'RE AWARE OF? >> SO I HAVE THE WHOLE DOCUMENT OF IT. NATIONAL REGISTER OF HISTORIC [00:10:06] PLACES. HERITAGE TRAIL. I MEAN, THERE'S A WHOLE LIST OF THINGS ON HERE. SO OTHER THAN THE LITTLE KIOSK AT THE COMMUNITY CENTER IN THE SUBDIVISION THAT HAS SOME ARTIFACTS, THAT'S ALL THAT'S DONE. NOBODY KNOWS ANYTHING ABOUT THE CEMETERY. THERE'S NO MARKERS. YOU KNOW IF THEY REMOVE THE HEADSTONES THERE'S SUPPOSEDLY SUPPOSED TO BE MARKERS WHERE THE HEADSTONES ARE SUPPOSED TO BE REPLACED. I HAVE SEEN NO EVIDENCE OF THAT. >> THEY ARE GOING TO GET THERE JERRY. WHAT'S YOUR UNDERSTANDING ABOUT HOW SOON THEY'LL GET THE HEADSTONES? >> YEAH, MY UNDERSTANDING FROM KEVIN IS THAT THEY HAVE THEM IN SAFE STORAGE. THERE'S NO REASON TO PUT THEM IN SITU UNTIL THE REST OF THE PROJECT IS READY TO GO. BUT THEY KNOW WHERE THE CEMETERY'S LIMITS. AT LEAST THE ONES THAT WERE ALLOWED TO BE CREATED BY THE DEVELOPERS WHO OF COURSE HAD TO CEDE THOSE PORTIONS OF LAND FOR THAT PURPOSE. SO HE EXPECTS TO SEE THE REMAINING GRAVE MARKERS THAT CAN BE LOCATED AND PUT BACK INTO PLACE. THAT APPARENTLY IS THE COMMITMENT. >> WHO HAS THE HEADSTONES? >> I DON'T KNOW. IT DIDN'T BOTHER ME. YOU KNOW HE SAID THEY'VE BEEN SECURED. AND SO FORTH. THEY'VE BEEN KIND OF ORPHANS FOR A LONG TIME BECAUSE THE PEOPLE WHO OWN THAT PART OF THE JENNINGS PROPERTY WERE NO LONGER REALLY CONNECTED BY BLOOD TO THE JENNINGS. THEY GRADUALLY BECAME PEOPLE WHO WERE RELATED BY MARRIAGE. THEY HAD NO PARTICULAR INTEREST IN PUTTING EVERYTHING BACK TOGETHER AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. IN FACT THEY PROBABLY WOULD HAVE PREFERRED THAT THEY HAD NOT BEEN. SO SUPPOSEDLY IN A KNOWN STORAGE PLACE. >> WHAT IS THE KNOWN STORAGE PLACE? WITH THE ARCHAEOLOGIST? >> I DON'T-- WE CAN--. >> KEVIN GAVE HIS PERMISSION TO TALK TO YOU KATHY, THAT'S WHY I SHARED HIS CONTACT INFORMATION. BUT I SHARED IT RIGHT BEFORE THE MEETING KNOWING THIS WOULD COME UP. SO-- AND I DIDN'T GET HIS PERMISSION UNTIL LIKE TWO HOURS AGO. AND HE'S MORE THAN WILLING TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT THAT. AND IT SOUNDS LIKE HE'S GOING TO COME TO THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY IN SEPTEMBER AND PRESENT PROBABLY ON THE BLACK CREEK AREA THERE. >> YEAH THE NORTH SIDE. >> SO GAREY'S FERRY, MY CONCERN IS THAT WE'VE GOT THIS GREAT MAR MARKER FOR FORT HEILEMAN BUT THAT CAME AFTER. AND GAREY'S FERRY EXISTED BEYOND BUT THERE'S NO HISTORICAL MARKER FOR THE COMMUNITY THAT EXISTED THERE. >> WELL JUST KEEP IN MIND THAT IN THOSE DAYS THERE NEVER WAS A CORPORATE LIMIT TO THE TOWN OF GAREY'S FERRY IT WAS JUST AN EXPRESSION THAT PEOPLE IDENTIFIED WITH. SOMETIMES IT INCLUDED VIRGINIA BLUFF NEXT DOOR WHERE THE BUDDINGTONS HAD THEIR CITADEL. AND SOMETIMES IT WAS NOT CONSIDERS TO BE PART OF IT. THE POST OFFICE WENT BACK AND FORTH. BETWEEN WHITESVILLE THAT IS VIRGINIA BLUFF AND GAREY'S FERRY. >> BUT IN 1831 SAMUEL GAREY PETITIONED THE TERRITORY OF FLORIDA TO BAILED FERRY THERE. AND IN 1834, HE PETITIONED THEM TO BUILD A BRIDGE. OKAY, SO THAT WAS BEFORE FORT HEILEMAN. AND THERE IS A CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF DOCUMENTATION AND NEWSPAPER ARTICLES ABOUT GAREY'S FERRY AND THE SEMINOLE WARS AROUND THAT AREA. BUT WE SEEM TO JUST KIND OF FORGET ABOUT GAREY'S FERRY. IT WAS A HUGE PART, NOT JUST FORT HEILEMAN. IT WAS BEFORE AND AFTER. AND THERE WAS A WHOLE COMMUNITY THERE. PEOPLE LIVED THERE AND DIED THERE AND WERE BURIED THERE. BUT WE JUST KIND OF FORGOT ABOUT IT. >> BUT IT SOUND LIKE YOU'RE ADVOCATING THAT WE PUT A MARKER THERE. AND THAT COULD BE A TOPIC OF DISCUSSION. I DON'T THINK IT'S COME UP THAT THEY DON'T WANT A MARKER. IT SOUND LIKE YOU'VE MADE A CASE. SOUND LIKE WE WANT A COUNTY MARKER. >> I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE SOMETHING THAT SHOWS THE HISTORIC VALUE OF GAREY'S FERRY. I MEAN I CAN TELL YOU, IF YOU LOOK AT THE NEWSPAPER ARTICLES AROUND THE COUNTRY, DURING THE [00:15:03] SEMINOLE WARS, THEY ALL TALK ABOUT GAREY'S FERRY. NOT SO MUCH ABOUT FORT HEILEMAN. THEY TALK ABOUT GAREY'S FERRY. >> WELL THEY TALK ABOUT IT-- YEAH. IT'S MORE OR LESS INTERCHANGEABLE IN THE PUBLIC MIND IN USAGE AT THAT TIME. BECAUSE IT WAS JUST THERE. THE-- MANY OF THE PEOPLE WHO DIED WILL PROBABLY NEVER BE LOCATED IN ANY CEMETERY BECAUSE THEY WERE STRUNG OUT ALONG THE FEDERAL ROAD TO JACKSONVILLE AND BEYOND AND THEY WERE DYING OF VARIOUS FEVERS AND CHOLERA AND EVERYTHING ELSE, YOU NAME IT. THEY WERE PROBABLY JUST BURIED WHERE THEY DIED. >> ABSOLUTELY. >> RIGHT, SO YEAH--. >> SO MY QUESTION. >> BEFORE GAREY'S FERRY BY THE WAY, THE PLACE WAS KNOWN BY CLARK'S FERRY. BECAUSE GAREY PURCHASED THE RIGHTS AND BEFORE THAT I THINK THERE WAS A GUY-- WHAT WAS HIS NAME. FONTAINE? NO NOT FONTAINE. ANYWAY SO THERE WAS A SUCCESSION OF NAMES APPLIED TO THE PLACE. AND BEFORE GAREY DIED IN '39. >> YES, HE DID. >> BUT IT CONTINUED TO BE KNOWN AS GAREY'S FERRY FOR SEVERAL MORE YEARS UNTIL THEY DECIDED THAT MIDDLEBURG WAS THE NEW NAME. >> BECAUSE GAREY'S FERRY AND WHITESVILLE COMBINED AND BECAME MIDDLEBURG. >> WELL, YES. ALTHOUGH WHITESVILLE KIND OF SORT OF LIKE A ZOMBIE AND IT CAME ALIVE AND NOW AGAIN BEFORE IT FINALLY FADED AWAY COMPLETELY. BUT YES. >> SO THERE'S A LOT OF HISTORY AT GAREY'S FERRY AND SO MY CONCERN IS NUMBER ONE WE HAVE THIS DEVELOPMENT THAT'S THERE. AND I KNOW THAT ARCHAEOLOGISTS AND KEVIN HIP RT HAVE DONE A LOT OF RESEARCH ABOUT THAT AREA. BUT WHEN I WENT OUT THERE I WAS REALLY CONCERNED THAT THERE'S NOTHING. OTHER THAN A LITTLE KIOSK WITH SOME ARTIFACTS. >> WELL, YEAH. BUT ACTUALLY UNLESS THEY TOOK THE MARKINGS AWAY, THERE WERE VARIOUS TAPED AREAS TO MARK THE RESERVE SPACES INCLUDING THE CEMETERY. >> THERE'S NOTHING THERE. >> WELL THERE WAS A FEW MONTHS AGO WHEN I WAS OUT THERE. >> I'VE BEEN ALL THROUGH THERE. AND CAN FIND NOTHING. >> WELL, SORRY YOU COULDN'T. BUT THEY'VE DELINEATED THESE ZONES WHICH THE DEVELOPERS HAVE PLEDGED TO RESERVE FOR IT. BUT THESE THINGS AS YOU PROBABLY KNOW TAKE TIME. PARTICULARLY IF ANY FUNDING OR GRANTS GET INVOLVED. >> BUT THEIR REPORT STARTED FIVE-- YOU KNOW FIVE YEARS AGO. SO HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE TO PUT MAR MARKERS. I'M A LITTLE BIT CONCERNED THAT IT'S GETTING SWEPT UNDER THE RUG. >> GOOD CONCERN I THINK THEY ARE WAITING FOR THE DEVELOPMENT TO GET DONE AND IT'S PRETTY MUCH DONE AT THIS POINT. SO-- DO YOU WANT TO LEAD THE CHARGE IF I UNDERSTAND RIGHT? ANY ONE PERSON CAN PUT FORTH FOR A MARKER? DO YOU WANT TO LEAD THE CHARGE WITH THAT? AND WE'LL GIVE YOU SUPPORT? ALL RIGHT. >> I WOULD BE HAPPY WITH THAT. >> ALL RIGHT IT'S A START. ALL RIGHT. >> I'LL E-MAIL YOU THE APPLICATION. YOU CAN GET STARTED ON IT. >> I DID-- THERE'S VERY FEW MARKERS. THAT WERE LEGIBLE FROM THE BURIALS AT GAREY'S FERRY. WHEN ELIZABETH AND SPENCER DID HER WORK. SHE SAID THERE WERE FOUR THAT WERE LEGIBLE. I FOUND TWO THAT WERE LEGIBLE SINCE THEN. WHICH IS CHARLES HEWITT AND MARTHA TYSON. I'VE DONE EXTENSIVE WORK ON MARTHA TYSON. AND FOUND OUT YOU KNOW ALL ABOUT HER BACKGROUND. AND HOW SHE ENDED UP AT GAREY'S FERRY. WHICH WAS VERY INTERESTING. BUT YEAH I DON'T KNOW-- I'M A LITTLE BIT CONCERNED ABOUT WHO HAS THE REMAINING HEADSTONES AND WHERE THEY ARE GOING TO BE PLACED AND--. >> YOU CAN PROBABLY HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH KEVIN HOOPER. >> YES I'D BE HAPPY TO. >> AS I UNDERSTAND IT, INITIALLY DAVID STARLING WAS A DESIGNATED CARETAKER OF THAT WHOLE AREA. AND SO HE HAD PERMISSION AND TRY TO PRESERVE IT. RELATIVELY INDIFFERENT TO THESE [00:20:06] THINGS. THE PEOPLE WHO OWN THE PROPERTY. DON'T FIND ANOTHER INTEREST TO PRESERVE. RATHER THEY'D BE FORGOTTEN. SO-- UPHILL STRUGGLE FOR YEARS. IT'S GOOD. >> THAT IS ONE OF OUR CHALLENGES. YEP. I WOULD SUGGEST IF THERE IS GOING TO BE A MARKER, IT OUGHT TO BE BETWEEN THE FORKS OF THE CREEK. WHERE THE FERRY CAME ACROSS UNDER GAREY'S DAY. >> SO IT'S INTERESTING. THE LAST TIME I WAS OUT THERE WHICH WAS ABOUT A WEEK AGO. I WENT TO THE-- THE SALES OFFICE FOR THE DEVELOPER. AND THE SALESMAN DIDN'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT IT. HE WAS LIKE WELL THERE'S A KIOSK OVER THERE WITH SOME ARTIFACTS. AND I SAID WELL THERE'S A CEMETERY THAT WAS A WHOLE DEVEL DEVELOPMENT. AND HIS COMMENT TO ME WAS, WELL I HOPE PEOPLE DON'T FIND OUT ABOUT THAT. THEY MAY NOT WANT TO BUY HERE. AND I SAID NO IT'S A GREAT THING. IT'S A HISTORIC THING. AND IT MAKES FOR QUIET NEIGHBOURS. >> YEAH. THEY'D LIKE TO SELL EVERY INCH. I MEAN THE SALES PEOPLE WOULD. YEAH. >> AND IT'S NICE THEY HAVE THAT KIOSK. YOU DON'T SEE THAT VERY MUCH. AT LEAST THEY WENT THAT FAR. >> THEY DO HAVE SOME. YEAH, THEY'VE DONE A LITTLE BIT OF WORK SINCE I WAS THERE A WEEK AGO. THEY STILL HAVE MORE WORK TO DO. I'M JUST TRYING TO FIND OUT WHO IS UPDATING THE KIOSK. I THINK IT'S THE PEOPLE WITH THE ARCHAEOLOGIST BUT I'M NOT SURE. >> YEAH. >> ANYTHING ELSE WITH CEMETERIES? >> PLEASANT POINT, I'M STILL GETTING MY LAST VETERANS HEADSTONE FOR HENRY BENNETT. AND THANK YOU KATHY FOR YOUR ASSIST WITH THAT. I JUST HAVEN'T GOT BACK TO IT. AND THE ONLY OTHER THING IS THE FLORIDA PUBLIC ARCHAEOLOGICAL SURVEY FOLKS WILL BE OUT ON THE 18TH OF THIS MONTH. AND THEY ARE GOING TO TRY TO KEEP GOING AND SEE HOW FAST WE CAN GET IT SURVEYED. AND THAT'S IT. >> OKAY. MOVE ONTO HISTORICAL MARK PROR DEGREES. FIRST SUP ST. MARY'S EPISCOPAL CHURCH. >> THAT ONE'S BEEN APPROVED. BY THE COUNCIL AND IT'S BEEN SENT OFF FOR PRODUCTION. PRODUCTION TAKES FIVE TO SIX MONTHS. >> OKAY. AND WHAT ABOUT THE MIDDLEBURG COLOURED SCHOOL. >> WE HAVE SENT A LETTER. WE'RE SENDING OUR-- THE APPROVAL THAT WAS ERRONEOUSLY GIVEN TO THAT OTHER ORGANIZATION. AND NOW THAT IT'S BEEN RECTIFIED. SO THAT SHOULD BE BEING REVIEWED BY THE COUNCIL. >> OKAY. >> POINT OF-- INFORMATION. DID THAT OTHER ORGANIZATION COME UP WITH EXTENSIVE DOCUMENTATION OF THEIR PROPOSAL? >> NO. >> THEY JUST GOT IT? OH. >> ON WHAT? ARE YOU ASKING? >> WELL THE MIDDLEBURG COLORED SCHOOL BECAUSE ORIGINALLY ONE OF OUR MEMBERS WAS PUSHING THIS FOR SEVERAL YEARS. AND DID A LOT OF WORK. AND HAD LOTS OF FOOTNOTES AND OTHER DOCUMENTATION ABOUT WHAT WAS-- SO I'M CURIOUS WHERE THESE PEOPLE--. >> IT WAS NOT AS NEAR AS IN-DEPTH AS MAUREEN'S WORK THAT SHE HAD RESEARCHED FOR AT LEAST FIVE OR SIX YEARS. >> SO IT'S BEEN COMBINED? >> NO. WE'RE GOING WITH MAUREEN'S. >> OH. WE ARE? OH GOODY, OKAY. ALL RIGHT. GOOD FOR HER. >> OKAY AND THE MIDDLEBURG MUSEUM CIVIC CENTER? >> THAT'S SUBMITTED AND ALSO AWAITING COUNCIL REVIEW. >> AND FORT 11. >> WAITING ON TEXT FROM YOU. I'VE SENT YOU A COUPLE OF E-MAILS JERRY. >> WELL THAT'S-- WHEN I INHERITED THIS PROJECT I GUESS FROM PEOPLE WHO GOT STARTED. AND DEIRDRE AND BILLY AND TOM AS FAR AS I UNDERSTAND IT STARTED THE ORIGINAL DRAFT. [00:25:02] AND INCLUDED SOME INTERESTING DETAILS. BUT THEY REFERENCE SOME SORT OF A BOOK THAT I'D NEVER SEEN. AND I STILL HAVEN'T SEEN IT. SO TO JUST SAY OKAY THAT SOLDIER'S POND. I-- YOU KNOW-- OUT OF THE HUNDREDS OF PAGES OF STUFF WE FOUND IN THE NATIONAL ARCHIVES, I DIDN'T SEE ANYBODY TALKING ABOUT THINGS LIKE THAT. SO THERE MUST BE SOME INTERESTING SOURCE THAT'S IN THIS MYSTERY BOOK. THAT I'D WANT TO CITE. TO MAKE A GOOD COMPLETE SURVEY. SO DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT BECAME OF IT? THE BOOK? >> I'LL CHECK MY STUFF AGAIN. TO SEE IF I'M-- I'VE MOVED WITHIN THE RECENT YEARS. SO I'LL DOUBLE CHECK MY STUFF AND SEE IF I GO FIND ANYTHING. >> DO YOU THINK MR. PARHAM MIGHT HAVE THE REFERENCE OF THE BOOK? >> IT EITHER CAME FROM HIM OR IT CAME FROM DEIRDRE. >> YEAH, I TALKED TO HER SEVERAL MONTHS BACK. . >> I WANTED TO SAY SHE FOUND SOMETHING ABOUT IT. >> GOOD. MAYBE WE CAN LEAN ON HER AND TRY TO SQUEEZE THOSE THINGS OUT. BY THE WAY I DID GET ANOTHER RECENT REPORT FROM MR. PARHAM WHO SAYS HE WAS GIVEN PERMISSION TO SURVEY YET ANOTHER LOT IN KEYSTONE. AND HE FOUND NOTHING THERE. BUT HE STILL IS DOING THE THOMAS EDSON BY ELIMINATION I GUESS HE'S GOING ONE BY ONE. SO HE'S NOT DONE, HE THINKS. YET. BUT THAT WOULD BE NICE TO KIND OF FIND FAIRLY PERSUASIVE EVIDENCE OF WHERE THE LITTLE FORT WAS. YEAH. SO IT'S GOING GRADUALLY. SLOWLY. >> OKAY. THAT'S IT FOR THE HISTORICAL MARKER PROGRESS. NEW BUSINESS? ANYBODY HAVE ANY NEW BUSINESS? OKAY. PUBLIC COMMENTS. SEEING NOBODY IN THE AUDIENCE. I'LL OPEN AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC [Staff Comments] COM COMMENTS. STAFF COMMENTS? >> I HAVE JUST ONE COMMENT THAT I WILL BE SENDING YOU AN E-MAIL WITH A TRAINING THAT THE STATE'S PUTTING ON ON SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR HISTORIC PRESERVATION. SO THAT TRAINING IS ON JUNE 24TH. SO YOU'LL BE GETTING THAT E-MAIL SHORTLY. AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE. >> IS THAT IN PERSON? >> NO, IT'S A WEBINAR, SORRY. SHOULD EXPLAIN THAT. >> IS THERE A TIME ON THAT? >> OFFHAND I DON'T KNOW THE TIME. BUT YOU'LL GET THE E-MAIL WHICH WILL HAVE IT. TYPICALLY THEY ARE 12 TO 1:30 OR SO THEY ARE RIGHT AROUND [Board Member's Comments] LUNCHTIME. >> OKAY. WE ARE NOW TO BOARD COMMENTS. AND I'LL START DOWN AT THE FAR END. >> I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING. >> GERRY? >> I'M CURIOUS. I GATHER THAT BEFORE WE GOT INVOLVED THERE'S BEEN A WHOLE SERIES OF WEBINARS THAT ARE DONE FWHI ORGANIZATION THAT BETH CALLED OUR ATTENTION TO SOME TIME AGO. DID ANY OF THEM AS FAR AS ANYBODY KNOWS EVER DEAL WITH A QUESTION OF HISTORICAL ZONING AREAS. SO WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO START AT THE BEGINNING AND REINVENT THE WHEEL IF THERE WAS SUCCESSFUL OR USEFUL MODELS. FOR US TO START WORKING ON ZONING FOR THIS PURPOSE. BECAUSE OF COURSE. EVERY MONTH GOES BY WE DON'T HAVE A ZONING ORDINANCE. AND THEREFORE WE DON'T HAVE APPLICATIONS FOR IF WE COULD DRAW ON PRIOR EXPERIENCE FROM OTHER GROUPS THAT HAVE DEALT WITH THIS. THAT'D BE A GOOD THING. IS THERE ANYTHING THAT'S A MASTER LIST OF ALL THE SUBJECTS THAT HAVE BEEN COVERED IN THE LAST FEW YEARS? >> NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF. I COULD LOOK BACK AND SEE IF MY NOTES. THERE MAY HAVE BEEN A TRAINING AWHILE AGO. IT'S ALSO A MATTER OF MAYBE LOOKING AT OTHER COMMUNITIES AND SEEING WHERE THEY'VE GOT. YOU KNOW-- ROBUST, DISTRICTS. >> AND ANOTHER THING THAT ACTUALLY I GUESS WOULD BE MORE USEFUL TO THE LOCAL MUSEUMS THEMSELVES. BUT-- PROTOCOLS FOR A SESSIONING OF THINGS. IN LOCAL MUSEUMS OR FOR THAT MATTER I GUESS EVEN THE COUNTY'S ARCHIVE. [00:30:04] WOULD BE GOOD IF THAT HAD BEEN COVERED IN SOME DETAIL IN THE P PAST. BECAUSE ONCE YOU GET INTO THE WEEDS ON HOW TO WORD THESE LOANS VERSUS DONATIONS. AND WHAT KIND OF LANGUAGE HAS WORKED OUT IN THE PAST FOR ORGANIZATIONS THAT TAKE CUSTODY OF ARTIFACTS AND MANUSCRIPTS WOULD BE REALLY GOOD. BECAUSE IT GETS TO BE PRETTY STICKY VERY FAST WHEN YOU TRY TO PIN DOWN THE VERBIAGE. SO IF ANY OF THAT WAS DONE, THAT WOULD BE ANOTHER THING FOR US TO LOOK AT. OKAY. OH JUST ONE OTHER THING I MIGHT MENTION. I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THIS IS THE RIGHT TIMING BUT EVERY YEAR THE CONCLUSION, THE FORMAL CONCLUSION OF THE SECOND SEMINOLE WAR IS COMMEMORATED IN ST. AUGUSTINE WITH A SOLEMN CEREMONY WHERE THEY COLLECTED ALL THE BONES OF THE SERVICE MEN WHO HAD FALLEN IN BATTLE AND THEY REBURIED THEM IN ST. AUGUSTINE UNDER-- AND ACTUALLY IN THAT RESPECT IT WAS THE FIRST NATIONAL CEMETERY IN THE COUNTRY. AND THEY PUT THEM UNDER THESE PYRAMIDAL THINGS. AND EVERY YEAR WE'RE TREATED TO YET MORE INFORMATION ABOUT WHO WAS THERE AND WHO WAS NOT BURIED. AND IT'S A GREAT LITTLE STORY IN ITSELF. SO ANYBODY WHO WOULD LIKE TO ATTEND. IT'S GOING TO BE THE 15TH SATURDAY THE 15TH OF AUGUST. IT'S ALWAYS IN THE MIDDLE OF AUGUST. THAT'S WHEN THE ORIGINAL CEREMONY WAS. SO MAKE SURE YOU BRING A SUN HAT OR SOMETHING. AND THEY HAVE WATER DISTRIBUTED AND SO FORTH. AND IF YOU REALLY WANT TO GO ALL THE WAY THERE'S A LITTLE LUNCHEON THAT YOU COULD SUBSCRIBE TO FOR ABOUT $35. AND SUPPORT THE WHOLE ENTERPRISE. BUT IT'S BEEN GOING ON FOR YEARS NOW. AND IT'S ALWAYS INTERESTING TO SEE IT. THEY USUALLY GET MULES OR HORSES TO CARRY THE CASE ON WITH ALLEGED REMAINS. AND THEY HAVE SOLDIERS AND PERIOD GARB AND ALL THE REST. AND THEN THE TOWNSPEOPLE FOLLOW. LATELY THE FREE MASONS HAVE BECOME RE-INVOLVED BECAUSE THEY WERE PART OF THE ORIGINAL CEREMONY. BACKED I SUSPECT IT WAS A BIG MASONIC PROJECT AT THE TIME. BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE PYRAMIDS. YOU HAVE THE MASONIC SYMBOLS AND ALL THE REST. THEY REALLY HAPPY WITH THAT NOW. THEY'VE GOT THE GLOVES AND THE APRONS. AND ALL THE THINGS THAT GEORGE WASHINGTON LIKED TO DO. SO-- ANYHOW. I CAN SUPPLY INFORMATION TO ANYBODY AND TO ST. AUGUSTINE. AUGUST I THINK 15TH. ALL RIGHT. THAT'S IT. >> KATHY? >> SO I HAVE A COMMENT. I WASN'T HERE AT THE LAST MEETING AND I HAD DIFFICULTY LISTENING TO THE MEETING ONLINE. BUT BARBARA HAD MADE A COMMENT ABOUT CONCERN TRADITIONS AND BURIAL TRADITIONS AT CEMETERY IES. AND I WILL TELL YOU THAT GOING THROUGH NUMEROUS TRAINING WITH THE FLORIDA PUBLIC ARCHEOLOGY NETWORK AND WORKING WITH THE STATE OF FLORIDA THERE ARE VERY STRICT GUIDELINES ABOUT DEALING WITH CEMETERIES. AND WE ARE NOT ALLOWED TO DEAL WITH ANY ARTIFACTS. AND ARTIFACTS CAN BE ANYTHING FROM SHELLS TO-- YOU KNOW, A VARIETY OF THINGS AT A GRAVESITE. ONE OF THE CEMETERIES THAT WE'VE BEEN MAINTAINING FOR THE LAST FEW YEARS, THERE IS A PAL METTO GROWING IN THE MIDDLE OF A GRAVE. WE KNOW THE GRAVE IS THERE. THERE'S A HEADSTONE. THERE'S A PALMETTO. WE CANNOT REMOVE IT. WE CAN CUT IT BACK. BUT WE CANNOT REMOVE IT. SO WE ARE VERY CAREFUL ABOUT WHAT WE CAN AND CANNOT DO AS FAR AS THOSE THINGS ARE CONCERNED. SO THEY HAVE REALLY STRICT GUIDELINES ABOUT TEAR FACTS. WHEN WE DO REPORT ON DIFFERENT HISTORIC CEMETERIES, WE ARE REQUIRED TO LIST ANY ARTIFACTS. WHICH INCLUDE THINGS LIKE SHELLS. [00:35:01] RIGHT, BECAUSE PEOPLE COULD JUST PUT SHELLS AROUND A GRAVE. OR WHATEVER. SO WHERE WE ARE AWARE OF THOSE THINGS, WE ARE VERY CAUTIOUS ABOUT MAKING SURE THAT THEY ARE PRESERVED AND NOT REMOVED. SO I WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT. WE ALSO-- I GUESS AT THE LAST MEETING TALKED ABOUT AREAS FOR RECOGNITION. I DID NOT SEE IT ON THE AGENDA. >> ONE OF THE ADDENDUMS HERE. ATTACHMENTS. >> SO WE TALKED ABOUT THE AREAS FOR RECOGNITION. AND ABOUT DOING A CERTIFICATE AND ALL THAT GREAT STUFF. SO WHAT DO WE DO ABOUT NOMINATING PEOPLE FOR THAT RECOGNITION? >> JUST TO MAKE A NOTE IT'S UNDER ATTACHMENT C. IT'S THE FIRST DOCUMENT UNDER ATTACHMENT C AREAS OF RECOGNITION. >> RIGHT. ON THE AGENDA FOR TODAY? >> YEAH, I THINK SO FAR WE HAVEN'T REALLY PINPOINTED THAT. BUT JUST INFORMALLY, I WOULD THINK IF ANY OF US BELIEVED SOMEBODY'S CONTRIBUTED TO THE COMMUNITY, WITH THE HI STORIC PRESERVATION, WE WOULD BRING IT TO THE BOARD AND SEE IF THEY ARE WORTHY OF BEING RECOGNIZED. >> SO I'D LIKE TO MAKE A NOMINATION. OKAY. ONE OF THE CATEGORIES THAT WAS LISTED ON THERE IS PRESERVING, RESTORING AND STEWARDING HISTORIC SITES IN CLAY COUNTY. I WOULD LIKE TO NOMINATE MEGAN COPAGE. SO MEGAN GOD LOVE HER, SHE HAS BEEN AN INTEGRAL PART ON DOING A LOT OF RESEARCH OF THE HISTORY OF CLAY COUNTY. SHE HAS NOT ONLY PROVIDED HER PHYSICAL WORK AT NUMEROUS CEMETERIES. BUT DONE RESEARCH. SHE'S WORKED AT SAUDER. SHE'S WORKED AT MCKEN DRAE AND DONE A LOT OF WORK AT PLEASANT POINT. SHE DOES A LOT OF RESEARCH WORK. SHE CONSTANTLY IS OUT THERE LOOKING AT THE HISTORY OF OUR COUNTY. AND I STRONGLY RECOMMEND THAT SHE IS-- YOU KNOW, RECOGNIZED FOR HER WORK. >> SO MIGHT I SUGGEST THAT YOU ALSO HAD A RECOMMENDATION-- SOMEONE YOU WOULD LIKE TO ACKNOWLEDGE. WHY DON'T YOU WRITE AN E-MAIL UP OF THE HISTORY AND WHAT YOU'RE WANTING THEM TO BE ACKNOWLEDGED FOR? AND I'LL GET THE CERTIFICATES MADE. I WILL ALSO-- REACH OUT TO YOU. AS FAR AS CONTACTING THEM. WE NEED TO COORDINATE WHEN YOU WILL BE HERE AND WHEN YOUR-- THE PERSON YOU WOULD LIKE TO RECOGNIZE, AGAIN. OUR COMMUNICATIONS TEAM WOULD LIKE TO DO A LITTLE STORY ON IT AS WELL. SO THERE'S-- YOU KNOW-- IF ANY OF YOU HAVE SOMEONE YOU WANT TO NOMINATE, JUST WRITE IT UP AND SEND ME AN E-MAIL AS TO WHO IT IS AND WE WILL COORDINATE AND GET THEM ON AN AGENDA. >> ABSOLUTELY. >> SHOULD WE PUT IT ON THE AGENDA AND DO MOTIONS? >> WELL WE DON'T KNOW WHO-- WHEN CHARLIE PSALMS WILL BE AVAILABLE TO COME IN. WHEN WE CAN COORDINATE ALL THIS. >> OKAY WHEN MIGHT WE HAVE CERTIFICATES? >> I CAN TRY AND GET THEM FOR NEXT TIME. SO I APOLOGIZE I DON'T HAVE THEM THIS TIME. >> OKAY. >> SO YOU'RE ASKING ME TO SEND YOU AN E-MAIL WITH THE BACKGROUND AND INFORMATION? >> YES. BECAUSE THEY ARE GOING TO WANT TO-- YOU KNOW-- PUT SOME INFORMATION ON THE CERTIFICATE. >> SHE'S DONE AN AWESOME JOB AT NUMEROUS CEMETERIES. AND PRESERVING THE HISTORY OF CLAY COUNTY. >> I'M HEARING ONE THING THAT YOU'RE NOMINATING PEOPLE. BUT I ALSO HEARD IN THERE BUT THEN THE BOARD WOULD AGREE WITH YOU. IS THAT PART OF IT? >> THAT PROCESS. TO EVERYBODY SANE SOMETHING ABOUT MAKING A MOTION. AND APPROVING IT. AND SO IT MADE ME THINK THAT YOU WOULD PRESENT. WE JUST WERE SPEAKING OF YOUR PERSON. AND IF YOU SAY I MOVE THAT WE RECOGNIZE HER. AND THEN WE VOTE ON IT. BECAUSE SOMEONE MAY HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT. BECAUSE IT WILL BE COMING FROM THE COMMITTEE. >> WE WILL MAKE A MOTION. AND WE WILL VOTE ON IT IF WE SEE PROPER. >> IF THAT'S THE PROCESS YOU WANT, YES. >> DO YOU THINK THAT'S TO--. >> IT'S YOUR PROCESS. >> I NEED TO HEAR IT FROM OTHER PEOPLE THEN. >> I LIKE THAT AS A PROCESS. >> THAT SEEMS TO BE THE REASONABLE WAY TO DO IT. >> I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON A PROCESS FOR NOMINATING PEOPLE FOR RECOGNITION FOR [00:40:02] CONTRIBUTING TO THE HISTORY. PRESERVING OF THE HISTORY OF CLAY COUNTY. >> I SECOND OUR MOTION. >> AND YOUR MOTION IS THAT THE-- MEMBER OF THIS BOARD HAS TO-- SPONSOR THE PERSON AND BRING THE CANDIDATE BEFORE THE BOARD FOR RECOGNITION TO BE VOTED ON? >> NOT IN PERSON. BUT THAT YOU WOULD. SENT INFORMATION AND I WOULD NOMINATE SO AND SO. YOU WOULD GET THE INFORMATION AND E-MAIL ALL OF US. >> I'LL PUT IT ON THE AGENDA THEN YOU COULD CONSIDER THEM AT THE NEXT MEETING. >> RIGHT BUT WE'D HAVE THE DATA TO READ IT AHEAD OF TIME. SO THIS AND THIS. AND THEN WE CAN SAY WELL OF COURSE. OR NOT. >> AND VOTE ON IT AT THE NEXT MEETING. >> YES. INFORMATION. >> ONE LITTLE PROBLEM WITH THAT. I THOUGHT THAT ANY CITIZEN OF THE COUNTY WAS ENTITLED TO PROPOSE SOMEONE FOR THE BOARD WOULD STILL VOTE ON IT. >> THEY COULD PROPOSE IT TO THE BOARD AND SOMEBODY HERE WOULD SPONSOR THAT. >> YES, I GUESS SO. THERE WOULDN'T HAVE TO BE A PARTICULAR SPONSOR ON THE BOARD IN THAT CASE, RIGHT? >> THERE COULD BE. >> SOMEONE WOULD HAVE TO I INITIATE THE SPONSORSHIP. AND I GUESS WE CAN VOTE TO SEE IF THAT--. >> I PERSONALLY SAY UNTIL WE H HAVE-- UNTIL IT BECOMES AN ISSUE, WE HAVE A BOARD SPONSOR. I DON'T SEE PEOPLE BREAKING DOWN THE DOOR TO SPONSOR PEOPLE FOR TRUE. >> THEN WE DON'T NEED TO EXCLUDE THEM BY-- YOU KNOW. ANY RESTRICTIVE LANGUAGE. FROM PROPOSING IT. >> WE COULD LET THEM KNOW TO APPROACH A BOARD MEMBER AND BOARD MEMBER WOULD PROBABLY IN MOST CASES BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO EXPEDITE IT FOR THEM. >> ALL RIGHT SO I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. OR DO I HAVE A SECOND? >> I'LL SECOND. SHAWN'S MOTION. >> ALL RIGHT. ALL IN FAVOUR SAY AYE. >> AYE. >> ALL OPPOSED? SO CARRIED. >> ANYTHING ELSE? >> HOW ABOUT THE REST OF THIS BOARD? >> HE'S WORKING HIS WAY DOWN. >> ANY COOL IDEA US WANT TO INTRODUCE BEFORE WE LEAVE? >> I'M WORKING ALL THE WAY DOWN. >> RIGHT. STILL THINKING ABOUT IT OVER THERE? >> I DON'T KNOW. JUST ASKED MELISSA SO NOW I'M GETTING RED TEE ASK SHAWN. >> NO BOARD COMMENTS FROM ME. PERSONALLY. BUT I DO FIND INTEREST IN THE ARCHIVES IF THERE IS ANY SEMINARS THAT WE HAVE AND WHAT'S AVAILABLE. BECAUSE I THINK WE DEFINITELY NEED SOME SORT OF BASELINE FOR SOCHL OUR PROCESSS. IT WOULD BE NICE. SO IF YOU DO HAVE THOSE. >> TYPICALLY WHAT THEY WOULD SHARE IS THEIR POWERPOINT THEY PRESENTED. SO IT'S NOT LIKE IT'S A RECORDED WEBINAR THAT YOU CAN SEE. BUT IF I HAVE IT SAVED I'D BE HAPPY TO SHARE IT. >> THANK YOU. >> KATHY YOUR SUGGESTION ABOUT MAYINGEN IS GREAT AND SHE MIGHT EVEN BRING US PIZZA FOR AFTER THE BOARD MEETINGS. >> I'M TELLING YA'. SHE'S A GREAT WOMAN. >> THAT'S MY ONLY COMMENT. >> I HAVE NO COMMENT. >> ALL RIGHT. WE STAND * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.