May 05, 2026 Planning Commission

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[GAVEL] WELCOME TO MAY 5, 2026 CLAY COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, THE MEETING IS NOW CALLED TO ORDER. AT THIS TIME PLEASE PUT YOUR CELL PHONES ON SILENT OR VIBRATE, IF YOU NEED TO TAKE A CALL DURING THE MEETING, PLEASE STEP OUTSIDE AND DO SO QUIETLY.

GENTLEMEN REMOVE YOUR COVERS IF WEARING ONE.

THAT'S BOARD ROOM POLICY, THANK YOU SIRS.

AT THIS TIME COMMISSIONER BOURÉE WILL LEAD US IN THE PLEDGE.

I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

MY NAME IS PETE DAVIS, I AM THE CHAIRMAN OF CLAY COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION AND MINUTES TAKEN BY CHRISTINE BLACHETT.

OTHER STAFF MEMBERS WE HAVE BETH CARSON, WHO IS PLANNING DIRECTOR. WE HAVE SELIG OUR CHIEF PLANNER.

AND KELLY HENRY ARE YOU STILL HERE? I DON'T SEE KELLY, PART OF OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT GROUP.

WE ALSO HAVE COURTNEY GRIMM OUR COUNTY ATTORNEY AND MS. HOVDA OUR ASSISTANT COUNTY ATTORNEY AND OUR MEMBER OF REAL ESTATE, DID I MISS ANYBODY? NO, I DON'T THINK SO.

AND THANK DEPUTIES BAGLEY AND ASHE FROM CLAY COUNTY SECURITY OFFICE TO PROVIDE SECURITY THIS EVENING.

FELLOW COMMISSIONERS ON RIGHT, BO NORTON, COMMISSIONER BRIDGMAN DOWN HERE AND COMMISSIONER PUCK PUCKHABER. AND ON LEFT, COMMISSIONER BOURÉE AND COMMISSIONER ANZALONE WILL BE HERE SHORTLY, COMMISSIONER GARRISON IS NOT HERE. CLAY COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION IS PART OF BZA, SERVE TWO YEAR TERMS AND REAPPLY TO CONTINUE TO SERVE. THE COMMISSIONER'S DUTIES ARE OUTLINED IN THE FLORIDA STATUTES.

WE HAVE APPLICATIONS FOR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENTS AND ZONE CHANGES AND REZONINGS. MOST DECISIONS MADE BY PLANNING COMMISSION OR RECOMMENDATION TO BCC.

WITH THE FINAL SAY ON SECOND TUESDAY, A WEEK FROM TODAY, OR FOURTH TUESDAY THREE WEEKS FROM TODAY.

BCC MEETING STARTS AT 4:30 P.M. AND ZONING AT 5 P.M. PLEASE CHECK THE AGENDA ON THE CLAY COUNTY WEBSITE.

AND WELCOME THE PUBLIC TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING AS CITIZENS ARE BACKBONE OF GOVERNMENT.

YOUR PRESENCE HERE IS APPRECIATED.

IF THERE IS AN ITEM ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA THAT YOU WISH TO SPEAK ABOUT OR TALK DURING THE OPEN PUBLIC COMMENT, PLEASE FILL OUT A COMMENT CARD IN THE VESTIBULE. THIS WHITE CARD.

AND NOTE THERE IS A SPACE AT THE BOTTOM, YOU CAN VOTE BUT DON'T HAVE TO SPEAK IF YOU DON'T WANT TO, OR IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK, YOU CHECK THAT BOX. IF YOU WANT TO SHARE YOUR OPINIONS. LOST MY PLACE-- THERE IS A THREE-MINUTE TIME LIMIT FOR EACH COMMENT.

[1. Approval of Minutes]

OF PLANNING COMMISSION. >> SO MOVED.

>> SECOND. >> ANY DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

[Public Comment]

>> AYE. THOSE OPPOSED SAME SIGN.

NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD, AT THIS TIME ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC MAY COMMENT ON ITEMS NOT ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA BUT PERTINENT TO THE COMMISSION'S BUSINESS.

I HAVE ONE CARD, [GAVEL] OPEN THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD, MR. KNIGHT. AND PLEASE GIVE YOUR ADDRESS AND

TELL US WHO YOU ARE. >> EDDIE KNIGHT, LIVE AT 1394 MAHAMMA BLUFF ROAD. HERE TO JUST EXPRESS CONCERNS ABOUT THE NEW BUSINESS IN CLAY COUNTY.

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I ASK THAT PROPOSE BUSINESS, THEY HAVE A SITE PLAN THAT LOOKS VERY ACCEPTABLE. AND I JUST UNDERLINE THAT WE WOULD LIKE FOR THEM TO ADHERE STRICTLY TO THAT, IN KEEPING THE NORTH BUSINESS APPROACH ON 209. WHICH IS THE ROAD THAT FORKS OFF WHEN YOU TURN ON BAHAMA BLUFF. HE HAS THE ENTRANCEWAY ON THE NORTH END OF THAT ROAD THAT IS GOOD AND WORK OUT FOR.

JUST CONCERNED THAT EVERYTHING WILL BE ADHERED TO THAT THE GENTLEMAN IS PROPOSED. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

>> THANK YOU MR. KNIGHT. IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE THAT WANTS TO SHARE THEIR OPINIONS DURING THIS OPEN COMMENT PERIOD? SEEING NONE. [GAVEL] CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD. I'M SORRY? OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

THE PROCESS FOR THE SCHEDULED PART OF THE MEETING, WHICH WHAT WE ARE GETTING READY TO, EACH ITEM ON THE PUBLIC HEARING AGENDA WILL BE PRESENTED BY A MEMBER OF THE PLANNING STAFF AND THE ZONING DEPARTMENT AS PART OF THE PRESENTATION, STAFF WILL INDICATE WHETHER THE RECOMMENDATION RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF LAND USE ZONING OR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.

THE APPLICANT WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK, FOLLOWING THE APPLICANT'S PRESENTATION OPEN THE FLOOR FOR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC TO OFFER THEIR VIEWS. YOUR TIME IS FOR STATING THE VIEWS AND NOT TO ASK QUESTIONS OF APPLICANTS, STAFF OR COMMISSIONERS. YOUR COMMENTS ARE TO BE DIRECTED TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION. IF YOU WISH TO SPEAK, YOU NEED TO TAKE THE OATH THAT MS. BLANCHETT WILL OFFER, AFTER STAFF AND THE APPLICANT HAVE PUBLIC HAVE HAD A CHANCE TO STATE THEIR VIEWS. THE FLOOR IS CLOSED FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS AND THE APPLICANT WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO RESPOND TO THE PUBLIC. AND THE COMMISSIONERS DISCUSS THE MATTER IF NECESSARY AND RENDER A DECISION.

AGAIN THANK YOU FOR PARTICIPATING IN THIS PROCESS.

AND BEFORE WE START INTO THIS, MS. BLANCHETT WILL SWEAR IN ANYONE THAT WISHES TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION.

THOSE THAT WISH TO, PLEASE STAND AND MOVE TO THE CENTER TO TAKE

THE OATH. >> PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND, DO YOU SOLEMNLY AFFIRM THAT THE TESTIMONY YOU ARE ABOUT TO GIVE IS THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, SO HELP YOU GOD.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

BEFORE WE GET STARTED THE AGENDA IS TONIGHT IS FLUID, THAT'S A NICE WAY TO PUT IT. WE WILL CHANGE IT UP A LITTLE BIT. THE FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA WILL BE ITEM 3 ON THE AGENDA. TURMERIC--RIGHT? OH, IS IT? I DIDN'T GET THE RECENT CHANGE.

GOING TO WORK THE ITEM 4 ON THE AGENDA WHICH IS YES THE TURMERIC, AM I RIGHT, BETH? NO SIR, TAKE THE ITEMS IN ORDER, CHANGE 3, 4, 2, 1. THE FIRST ITEM WOULD BE PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER COMP002 MOVED FROM THE 22ND.

>> THAT'S THE PCN CHANGE? >> THAT'S NUMBER 4.

[4. Public Hearing to consider COMP 26-0002. (District 5, Comm. Burke) (D. Selig)]

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>> RIGHT. >> OKAY.

PUT THAT FIRST. >> ITEM 4, WHICH I BELIEVE I HAVE A LOT OF CARDS FOR THIS. THIS ITEM IS GOING TO BE IF THE COMMISSION APPROVES THE CONTINUATION OF IT, WILL BE CONTINUED UNTIL JULY 7. I DO HAVE CARDS, YOU CAN DO ONE OF THREE THINGS. ONE, WHEN I CALL YOU UP, YOU CAN TELL US, SHARE YOUR THOUGHTS ABOUT THIS AGENDA ITEM.

AT THIS MEETING. OR YOU CAN SHARE YOUR THOUGHTS ABOUT THIS AGENDA MEETING AT THIS MEETING AND AT THE MEETING ON 7TH. OR IF YOU WANT TO, YOU CAN PASS AND SHOW UP ON THE 7TH TO SHARE YOUR THOUGHTS.

IT'S YOUR CALL. WITH THAT--KEEP IN MIND ON AUGUST 7 WE WILL HAVE A FINALIZED APPLICATION; CORRECT? AND SO WE'LL ALL KNOW--JULY 7TH. WHAT DID I SAY? OKAY. SO THINGS MIGHT CHANGE CONSIDERABLY BETWEEN NOW AND THEN, BUT YOU ARE MORE THAN WELCOME TO SHARE YOUR THOUGHTS WITH US.

WHEN I CALL YOUR NAME, WOULD YOU TELL ME IF YOU WISH TO SPEAK OR DEFER. I MIGHT BUTCHER YOUR NAME--LOOKS LIKE ALLISON RANTLET? YES, MA'AM? WOULD YOU COME UP TO THE PODIUM PLEASE.

AND PLEASE GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.

>> MY NAME IS ALLISON BRAMLET, 359 ASBURY DRIVE.

I WAS GOING TO SPEAK LAST WEEK AND SAW THE REQUEST FOR CONTINUATION AND ANOTHER ONE REQUESTING TO MOVE TO THE SEVENTH. I WILL BE MOVING MY DAUGHTER--SORRY, NOT MOVING IN BUT DOING COLLEGE FRESHMAN ORIENTATION STUFF AT THAT TIME AND THOUGHT I WOULD COME AND SPEAK TODAY SO MY STATEMENTS AND OPINIONS COULD BE ON RECORD.

THERE COULD BE A LOT THAT I CAN SPEAK TO, BUT MAINLY AS A CITIZEN WHO LIVED ON BLACK CREEK AND MY HUSBAND'S FAMILY LIVED THERE SINCE THE 80'S. AND HATE TO SEE THAT DESTROYED AND I AM SURE THAT YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH BLACK CREEK AND WHAT MAKES IT SO BEAUTIFUL. AND DRAWS A LOT OF PEOPLE TO THIS AREA. MY PROPERTY IS LOCATED ON BLACK CREEK DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM THE PROPERTY THAT WAS PURCHASED BY THE NORTH FLORIDA LAND TRUST. THAT THEY HAVE ACQUIRED AND CLAIM THAT THEY WILL MAINTAIN THE PROPERTY AS A LARGE PIECE OF LAND TO REMAIN UNTOUCHED BY DEVELOPERS FOR YEARS TO COME.

RECENTLY MY FAITH IN THAT CLAIM HAS GROWN MORE SKEPTICAL AND SEEMS WE ARE HERE TRYING TO FIGHT SOMEONE ELSE FROM TEARING DOWN TREES AND FILLING IN WETLANDS.

A LOT OF TIMES TOLD AND UNDERSTANDABLY THAT THESE COMPETREHENSIVE PLANS IN DEVELOPMENT FOR YEARS AND THE COMMISSIONERS' HANDS ARE TIED AND NOTHING THEY CAN DO.

BUT IN THIS SITUATION THIS PROPERTY IS NOT ZONED FOR THAT.

IT'S ZONED CONSERVATION, AM I ALLOWED TO ASK?

ARE YOU AWARE WHAT THIS IS? >> ARE WE AWARE OF IT?

>> YES, SORRY I WENT BACK TO THE WEBSITE FOR CLAY COUNTY AND ALL THE ATTACHMENTS AND EVERYTHING IS WITHDRAWN.

I DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU WERE FAMILIAR WITH WHAT IS GOING ON.

EITHER WAY IT'S 50 YEARS OF PRIMARY CONSERVATION NETWORK AND TRYING TO SAY WHEN ORIGINALLY ZONED IT WAS A BUNCH OF WETLANDS AND NOW IT'S MOSTLY UPLANDS. SAYING IMPROPERLY ZONED.

I DISAGREE. I THINK UPLANDS ARE JUST AS IMPORTANT FOR WETLANDS FOR THE AQUIFERS AND TO KEEPING EVERYTHING CLEAN. TRY TO GO THROUGH THIS QUICKLY, I KNOW I AM RUNNING OUT OF TIME. I DON'T SEE THAT WE NEED ANYMORE OF THESE 50-FOOT LOTS. IT'S GOING TO BE BENEFICIAL TO HAVE ALL OF THAT AREA THAT IS RIGHT ALONG BLACK CREEK AND ACROSS FROM A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT I KNOW THAT LIVE ON BLACK CREEK.

I KNOW THAT WE ALL LIVE ON BLACK CREEK AND WE BOUGHT HOUSES THAT ARE THERE AND ACREAGE LOTS AND TREES AND INDIVIDUAL HOUSES AND NOT THE HOUSES THROWN ALL OVER THE COUNTY, SORRY I HAVE MORE TO SAY, THERE WAS A GREAT LETTER SUBMITTED TO THE COMMISSIONERS ON BEHALF OF THIS FROM ANOTHER LADY.

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>> HANG ON A SECOND. WOULD YOU LIKE TO HAVE THAT

LETTER IN THE RECORD? >> THE ONE THAT WAS SUBMITTED TO

THE COMMISSIONERS? >> YES.

>> I DIDN'T SUBMIT IT BUT IT WAS ANOTHER LADY BUT I PRINTED FROM THE E-MAILS. IT WAS SUBMITTED PUBLIC RECORD TO THE ATTACHMENTS ACCOMPANYING THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, LIKE I SAID EVERYTHING IS REMOVED AND NO DOCUMENTS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT PLAN ANYMORE. BUT IT WAS ON THERE.

>> THE QUESTION STILL STANDS, DO YOU WANT THAT IN THE RECORD?

>> YES, I WOULD LOVE FOR THIS TO BE IN THE RECORD.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU MA'AM.

TRACY DANIEL. OKAY.

BRITTANY SANDS CRE. >> HI, I AM BRITTANY, RESIDE ON BLACK CREEK. I I HAVE GROWNUP MY ENTIRE LIFE IN BLACK CREEK AND MY PARENTS RESIDE ON ASBURY DRIVE. IN 2015 I WAS FINALLY ABLE TO PURCHASE MY OWN HOME ON BLACK CREEK.

WHICH IS DIRECTLY ADJACENT FROM THIS PROPERTY THAT IS TRYING TO BE ZONED NOW FOR A HUGE DEVELOPMENT.

WHEN I BOUGHT MY HOME, I WAS TOLD THAT IT WOULD NEVER FLOOD AND IF IT DID FLOOD, JACKSONVILLE WOULD BE UNDER WATER. I HAVE LIVED ON THIS RIVER AND I HAVE SEEN ITS BEAUTY AND RAGE AND FURRY.

IT FLOORS. AND SOMETIMES WE F--IT FLOODS.

IN 2017 IRMA HIT AND I WAS STUCK IN MY GARAGE FIVE DAYS.

I AM 30 FEET UP AND I TOLD NEVER TO FLOOD.

AND I HAVE PICTURES TO SHOW AND STILL TRYING TO RECOVER, EVERY HOME BUILT ON THE CREEK HAS TO RISE.

THESE HOMES WILL BE COOKIE CUTTER HOMES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN AGAIN.

YOU CAN SAY THAT IRMA WAS A PERFECT STORM BUT NEXT TIME WON'T ONLY BE NATURE BUT MAN MADE.

WE HAVE NOT HAD A STORM THIS BIG AS ALL OF THIS DEVELOPMENT, ALL THE TREES CUT DOWN AND WATER OAKS THAT HELPS US AND RELIEVES US. ALL COMING TO THE CREEK.

PLEASE DO WHAT IS RIGHT, YOU HAVE A CHANCE TO STOP THIS DEVELOPMENT. YOU KNOW CONSERVE LAND.

HELP IT STAY THE BEAUTIFUL CREEK IT IS.

SO OUR CHILDREN CAN CONTINUE TO PLAY IN IT.

IT'S GOING TO CAUSE MORE FLOODING.

CAUSE EROSION. AND YOU KNOW WHO IS GOING TO BE HERE TO BAIL THESE PEOPLE OUT WHEN HOMES FLOOD IN THE DEVELOPMENT? THANK YOU.

I HAVE PICTURES WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE ON A GIVEN DAY AND A FLOOD.

IF YOU WANT TO ADD THOSE TO THE FOLDER.

THEY ARE NOT GREAT PICTURES, SORRY MY PRINTER WAS NOT VERY GOOD. THAT'S WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE ON A GIVEN DAY AND THAT'S SHOWING PICTURES FROM IRMA.

OH, YEAH, YEAH, TAKE THEM. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU MA'AM. ERIN SAWYER.

OR SAYER? >> ERIN SAYER, 2100 SPINNAKER COURT. I SPOKE AT LAST MONTH'S MEETING AND I SHARED CONCERNS ABOUT THE REQUEST TO REZONE AND COMMEND THE LAND USE OF 46 ACRES ON BLACK CREEK.

AND I SPOKE AT THE BCC MEETING LAST WEEK AND WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT I HAVE COMMITTED TO SHOW UP AND SPEAK OUT ON THIS ITEM WHEN I SEE ON AGENDA. I AM NOT HERE TONIGHT TO RECAP ALL MIGHT HAVE CONCERNS, ALLISON AND BRITTANY DID A GOOD JOB AND SAVE THAT FOR ANOTHER TIME. I WILL ENCOURAGE ALL OF YOU, IF YOU ARE NOT FAMILIAR WITH THIS ITEM, PLEASE TAKE THE TIME TO REVIEW AHEAD OF THE MEETING. WHERE IT ULTIMATELY TAKES PLACE.

OR WHERE IT COMES BEFORE YOU. AT THIS POINT THE APPLICANT IS NOW REQUESTING MULTIPLE CONTINUANCES.

FEELS LIKE AN ATTEMPT TO WASTE SOME TIME UNTIL PUBLIC INTEREST FADES, I ASSURE YOU THAT WILL NOT HAPPEN.

I WANT TO BE CLEAR ABOUT THAT. IF ANYTHING, WE WILL JUST GAIN

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SO I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME, SEE YOU AT THE NEXT MEETING.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU MA'AM.

SUSAN YOUNGBLOOD. MY NAME IS SUSAN YOUNG BLOOD, I LIVE AT 4775 WATER LILY PARK. BACK IN 1984 WE BUILT OUR HOME ON MIDDLEBURG, LIVED THERE FOR 28 YEARS BEFORE WE HAD THE FIRST FLOOD IN 2012. IT BROUGHT WATER PROBABLY OUR WATER LEVEL AT LEAST A FOOT IN THE HOUSE.

ABOUT THREE FOOT OUTSIDE OF THE HOUSE.

BECAUSE IT WAS A TWO-STORY HOUSE.

THE NEXT BIG FLOOD WAS IN 2017 AND THAT WAS IRMA.

WE HAD A TWO-STORY HOME AND WATER WAS FOUR INCHES FROM THE TOP FLOOR. AND THE REASON--THAT THESE FLOODS HAVE HAPPENED IS BECAUSE COMMISSIONERS LET OVER BUILDING ON BLACK CREEK. AND THERE'S NOWHERE ELSE FOR THE WATER TO GO NOW EXCEPT INTO PEOPLE'S YARDS AND INTO THEIR HOMES. WE--I COULDN'T FACE ANOTHER FLOOD BECAUSE IT WAS SO TRAUMATIC AND THE CLEANUP WAS SUCH A MAJOR HAPPENING. WE ENDED UP SELLING OUR HOUSE TO THE U.S. GOVERNMENT FEMA HAD OFFERED TO BUY HOUSES THAT HAD FLOODED TWICE AT LEAST, AT LEAST TWICE.

WE DID SELL TO THEM. THEY TORE--EXCUSE ME, THEY TORE THE HOUSE THAT MY HUSBAND AND I BUILT DOWN, NOW JUST AN EMPTY LOT. EVERY SINGLE HOUSE ON HILL ROAD AND AROUND FOREST WHERE IT GOES AROUND THE CREEK FLOODED, EVERY SINGLE HOME. EITHER UP TO THE CEILING OR IN OUR CASE JUST A FEW INCHES BELOW THE SECOND FLOOR.

IT'S A CONSVATION AREA. KEEP IT AT THAT.

DO NOT LET CONTRACTORS COME IN AND ADD TO THE PROBLEMS THAT ALREADY EXIST ALONG BLACK CREEK WITH THE OVER BUILDING THAT HAS BEEN ALLOWED. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU MS. YOUNGBLOOD. I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER CARDS, ANYBODY ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK?

WOULD YOU FILL OUT A CARD. >> I WILL FILL ONE OUT, THANK YOU. I AM HELENA, ADDRESS 2839 CROSSING COURT, GREEN COVE SPRINGS, FLORIDA.

THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU ARE DOING AND KNEW THERE WAS A LOT ON YOUR PLATE ON THIS ONE. AND LEARNING FROM RCDD AND THE WET LAND ACCREDITATION AND THE LAND SOLD WITH CONSERVATION ON THEM. AND STILL NEW ON THIS UNDERSTANDING AND THE DEPTH IS NOT THERE, I WOULD LOVE TO LEARN MORE. BUT WHEN THESE DEVELOPERS AND WHEN PEOPLE SELL THIS LAND--WHEN THEY GET THE MITIGATION CREDITS AND MAKE THE MONEY WHEN THAT HAPPENS, SO THAT ANOTHER AREA CAN BUILD AND THE THINGS THAT GO ON.

ONCE THEY'VE ALREADY GOTTEN THAT MONEY DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO ALLOW THEM TO GO BACK AND EITHER CONSERVATION OR PAY TO GET IT BACK OR THE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT KEEPS HAPPENING.

I AM STILL LEARNING, I AM RESEARCHING AND TRYING TO FIGURE OUT AND LEARN MORE. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I HAVE LEARNED COMING TO THESE MEETINGS, Y'ALL DON'T HAVE TO CONTINUE THIS ONE. YOU CAN DENY THE CONTINUATION AND IT STOPS FOR NOW AND THEY GET TO RESTART.

THE VOTE IS HERE, YOU'VE HEARD THE OUTCRY FROM THE COMMUNITY AND THIS ONE IS A VERY SENSITIVE ONE BECAUSE OF THE CONSERVATION LAND. LET THEM START ALL OVER IF THEY NEED TO. THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING THAT YOU DO AND I KNOW THAT YOU ARE PRAYING ABOUT EVERYTHING IN THE COUNTY AND COMMISSIONERS, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

>> THANK YOU. DO I HAVE ANY OTHERS TO WISH TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? YES, SIR.

>> HI, I AM DAVID HUFF, LIVE AT 3810 CALVARY COURT IN MIDDLEBURG IN FOX MEADOW. JUST TO LET YOU KNOW THE IMPETUS

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THIS AREA HAS BEEN A CONSERVANCY AREA FOR MANY, MANY YEARS AND NOW TO HAVE A DEVELOPER COME IN JUST FOR MAKING MONEY.

TO CHANGE IT. AND LOSE ALL OF THIS AREA FOR OUR WILDLIFE AND THE DAMAGE IT WILL DO TO BLACK CREEK AND THE TRIBUTARIES OF BLACK CREEK WILL BE ONE THAT CAN'T BE UNDONE.

SO I REALLY PRAY THAT YOU ALL TAKE A LOOK AT THIS.

AND I AGREE WITH THE LAST SPEAKER, YOU CAN END THIS NOW.

BY NOT DOING THE CONTINUATION. AND--BUT I CAN TELL YOU FROM OUR STANDPOINT WE WILL GET MORE AND MORE FOLKS AND COME IN AGAINST THIS. SO IF THAT'S HOW YOU WANT TO TAKE IT, WE WILL GO IN WITH EVERYTHING THAT WE'VE GOT TO KEEP THIS FROM HAPPENING. SO I REALLY PRAY THAT YOU STOP IT NOW. AND DO WHAT YOU CAN TO PREVENT THE DESTRUCTION OF OUR COUNTY. THANK YOU.

>> DID FILL OUT A CARD? >> I WILL FILL ONE OUT, I HAVE

ONE. >> THANK YOU.

IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK? SEEING NONE, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

[GAVEL] AND BRING IT BACK--IS THE APPLICANT HERE? HE'S NOT.

>> YES, HE'S IN THE BACK. >> OKAY.

DO YOU WANT TO MAKE--PUT IN A REQUEST FOR CONTINUANCE OR IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE WILL JUST ASSUME?

>> THE APPLICANT HAS REQUESTED TO CONTINUE THE ITEM.

SO THAT'S THE REQUEST TO YOU. >> MR. DAVIS.

I GOT A QUESTION FOR STAFF IF I COULD.

>> OKAY. >> I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF.

I DON'T KNOW WHO. BUT IN OUR AGENDA IT SAYS STAFF REQUESTED THIS ITEM TO BE CONTINUED.

IS THAT AN ACTUAL STAFF REQUEST OR ACTUALLY COME FROM THE

APPLICANT? >> IT'S ACTUALLY BOTH.

THE APPLICANT RESOLVED SOME ISSUES AND IT WAS RIGHT BEFORE OUR DEADLINE TO TRY TO GET THE ITEMS TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION. SO WE DIDN'T HAVE STAFF TIME TO PROVIDE THE TURN-AROUND TIME THAT WE NEEDED TO GET IT TO THIS MEETING TONIGHT. SO WE TALKED TO THE APPLICANT ABOUT JUNE. JUNE THEY HAVE STAFFING ISSUES AND COMMITMENTS. FOR JUNE, SO CAN'T MAKE THE JUNE MEETING. THEREFORE THEY ASKED TO MOVE IT TO THE JULY MEETING. THEY DID SEND E-MAIL SPECIFICALLY REQUESTING JULY DATE FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND BOARD AND WOULD LIKE TO HAVE BEEN HERE TONIGHT BUT MORE ON STAFF THAT THEY ARE NOT ABLE TO BE HERE.

>> OKAY. DID YOU WANT TO SAY ANYTHING? OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

SO WE NEED A MOTION TO WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO WITH THIS?

>> I MAKE A MOTION FOR THE CONTINUANCE.

I BELIEVE THAT THE APPLICANT HAS A RIGHT TO MAKE HIS CASE AS THE PUBLIC HAS THE RIGHT TO MAKE THEIR CASE.

WE NEED TO HEAR BOTH SIDES. I MOVE THE APPROVAL OF THE

CONTINUANCE. >> I HAVE A MOTION, A SECOND?

>> I'LL SECOND. >> ANY DISCUSSION?

>> JUST ONE ITEM. HOPEFULLY--WHEN WAS THE FIRST MONTH THIS WAS ON THE AGENDA? WAS IT LAST MONTH?

>> YES. >> OKAY.

SO JULY WOULD BE MONTH FOUR, VERY GOOD, THANK YOU.

>> JUST A QUESTION FOR THE BOARD HERE.

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>> IT GOES TO THE RECOMMENDATION TO THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS AND THEY HAVE THE FINAL DECISION.

>> OKAY. >> BUT WHAT THEY DECIDE I'M NOT SURE IF THEY SAY NO WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE THE CONTINUATION, WHAT HAPPENS THEN? LEGAL?

>> [INAUDIBLE] >> BUT IF WE--IF WE DECLINE THE CONTINUATION IT DOESN'T STOP ANYTHING; RIGHT?

>> YOU HAVE TO HEAR IT, TAKE A VOTE.

>> MY FEAR IS-- >> [INAUDIBLE] HEARING THEIR APPLICATION; RIGHT.

YOU CAN'T JUST DENY WITHOUT HAVING HEARD IT.

THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO COME BACK, HOW WE PROCESS THAT I'M NOT SURE. THEY HAVEN'T EVEN BEEN HERE TO

HAVE IT HEARD. >> GOTCHA.

>> MR. CHAIR, I WILL REITERATE TO ME IT'S VERY UNAMERICAN IN WE DON'T ALLOW BOTH PARTIES TO PRESENT THEIR CASE.

AND TO BE HEARD IN THE PUBLIC FORUM AND THEN WE MAKE A DECISION BASED ON THAT. I THINK ANYTHING OTHER THAN THAT I WOULD HAVE A VERY STRONG CONCERN ABOUT.

>> MY FEELINGS ABOUT IT IS THIS, THAT IS NOT ALLOWING CONTINUATION IS ONLY GOING TO LET THIS ISSUE FESTER.

I ASSUME IF WE ALLOW THE CONTINUATION, MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PROCESS AND ULTIMATELY GET THIS ISSUE PUT TO BED.

AND HOPEFULLY ON THE 7TH OF JULY.

WITH THAT WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. >> AYE.

>> OPPOSED SAME SIGN? OKAY THIS ITEM WILL BE CONTINUED

UNTIL JULY 7. >> AND PLEASE MAKE SURE EVERYBODY COMES BACK FOR THAT MEETING.

PLEASE. >> FINE, THAT'S PERFECTLY FINE WE HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH BRINGING JUST LEAVE YOUR TORCHES AT THE DOOR. WE UNDERSTAND THAT.

I'M NOT TRYING TO MAKE LIGHT OF THIS, THIS IS AN IMPORTANT ISSUE TO YOU ALL AND WE UNDERSTAND THAT.

OKAY. ARE WE READY TO MOVE ON TO THE--Y'ALL CAN STICK AROUND FOR THE MEETING IF YOU WISH, THAT'S

[3. Public Hearing to consider PUD 25-0009. (District 5, Burke) (B. Carson)]

>> RIGHT. >> THANK YOU MR. CHAIR, THIS ITEM WAS CAME UP ON THE FEBRUARY 3 PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING AND WAS CONTINUED AT THAT TIME TO MEET WITH THE COMMUNITY AND DEVELOP SOME DIFFERENT SOLUTIONS TO THE REQUEST.

THIS ITEM WILL GO TO THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS NEXT TUESDAY. THE APPLICANT IS SHAWN DEEP SINGH, THIS IS IN THE SPRINGS PLANNING DISTRIBUTION COMMISSIONER BURKE'S DISTRICT 5. THE APPLICATION WOULD CHANGE DESIGNATION OF 2.45 ACRES FROM COMMERCIAL RECREATION, BB5 TO PLANNED COMMERCIAL PCD. THIS IS THE PUBLIC COMMUNICATION ON THE LEFT AND ZONE SIGNS. AND BACK ON THE LEFT IS CORRIDOR, THE RED IS COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR THAT RUNS ALONG 17.

THE YELLOW AND THE BROWN ARE BOTH RESIDENTIAL.

SO IT'S COMMERCIAL AT THE FRONT AND RESIDENTIAL BEHIND.

THE MAP ON THE RIGHT IS THE EXISTING ZONING.

THE DARK GRAY IS BB5. BACKGROUND, THE SUBJECT PARCEL CONTAINS A CONVENIENCE STORE THAT IS REDEVELOPED AS A RESTAURANT. TE PROPERTY ZONED TO BB5 IN '23 SO THE RESTAURANT COULD SELL ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES.

AND THE PCD IS AMENDED AND APOLOGIZE THAT YOU DIDN'T HAVE THE STAFF REPORT IN THE BACK-UP MATERIAL BUT PROVIDED A COPY OF THE STAFF REPORT. THE APPLICANT HAS AMENDED THE LIST OF PERMITTED USES, CHANGES FROM A LONGER LIST TO THIS ABBREVIATED LIST THAT HAS SMALLER SCALE USES LIKE

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AND PROVIDED MINIMUM DESIGN FOR GUIDELINES AND HIGHLIGHTED IS THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF STRUCTURES AND THE APPLICANT WILL ADDRESS THAT, SOMETHING THAT NEEDS CORRECTED.

AND THE WRITTEN NARRATIVE ADDRESSES THE ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING PROPOSED AND LIGHTING STANDARDS TO AVOID LIGHT TRESPASS, THAT WAS A CONCERN.

AND BUFFER LOCATIONS SHOWN ON THE SITE PLAN.

THIS IS THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN. NORTH WOULD BE 17 TO THE LEFT, AND THE MAJOR ENTRANCE WOULD BE OFF OF 17.

THEY ARE PROPOSING AN ENTRANCE, SECONDARY ENTRANCE OFF OF 209 AND ONE OFF OF BAHAMA BLUFF AS SECONDARY.

AND REDUCED THE NUMBER OF BUILDINGS, THEY HAD FIVE LAST TIME AND REDUCED DOWN TO FOUR. THE UPPER BUILDING WOULD BE THE DRIVE-THROUGH COFFEE. AND MIDDLE BUILDING HAS RETAIL OFFICE IN THAT. AND THE RESTAURANT IS NEXT ONE DOWN AND THEN THE LAST BUILDING WOULD ALSO BE RETAIL OFFICE.

THEY HAVE INCLUDED BUFFERS AROUND THE PERIMETER AND ON THE LEFT IS THE DETAILS OF WHAT THOSE BUFFERS WOULD BE.

TO THE SPRING CAC VOTED 6-0 TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL ON THIS REZONING ON FEBRUARY 14. THAT VOTE WAS BASED ON THE PRIOR SITE PLAN THAT HAD MORE BUILDINGS AND LESS BUFFERS AND HAD THE LONG LIST OF USES THAT YOU COMMENTED ON.

AND THAT HAS BEEN REVISED. THIS REVISED SITE PLAN AND WRITTEN NARRATIVE PROVIDE A REDUCED LIST OF PERMITTED USES AND REDUCED BUILDINGS AND ADDITIONAL BUFFERING.

NO REVIEWED BY CAC AS LESS INTENSIVE AND BETTER OUTCOME THAN THE PRIOR PLAN. BASED ON THE CRITERIA IN THE STAFF REPORT STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF PUD 25-0009.

>> ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF? OKAY, I HAVE ONE QUESTION.

WHEN THE STATE GETS THROUGH WITH 17, THE ACCESS ON 17 WILL BECOME A RIGHT IN/RIGHT OUT ONLY IS THAT CORRECT?

>> I BELIEVE THAT'S THE CASE. I AM SORRY THAT OUR COUNTY ENGINEER IS NOT HERE TONIGHT, I BELIEVE THAT'S THE CASE.

>> GO BACK TO THAT DIAGRAM-- >> IT'S UP.

NOT SHOWING IN FRONT OF YOU, SORRY.

>> THANK YOU MR. CHAIR, THIS ISN'T A LAND USE OR ZONING QUESTION, JUST A GENERAL QUESTION.

IS THE ACCESS OFF OF 209 IS THAT A REQUIREMENT?

OR MINIMUM OF TWO? >> IT IS NOT A REQUIREMENT.

I BELIEVE IT'S DESIRED. OF THE APPLICANT.

>> OKAY, ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF STAFF?

>> MR. CHAIR I MAY HAVE SOME BUT I WOULD LIKE TO WAIT AND HEAR

FROM THE APPLICANT. >> I HAVE ONE MORE--I APOLOGIZE.

THE APPLICANT REDUCED THE NUMBER OF BUILDINGS AND WHAT REDUCTION

OF SQUARE FOOTAGE? >> I DON'T KNOW THAT OFFHAND BUT

SURE THAT THE APPLICANT. >> OKAY, IS THE APPLICANT HERE?

>> KELLY HARTWIG, 3420 WALH ROAD.

WE TRIED TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT EVERYTHING THAT YOU REQUESTED AT TH FIRST PRESENTATION AND REALLY TRIED TO LISTEN TO THE NEIGHBORS. WHY WE WENT BACK AND SPENT A

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THIS IS THE SITE PLAN THAT WE PLAN TO BUILD BY, IT WOULD NOT CHANGE OR ALTER. THE 209 ENTRANCE THAT YOU BROUGHT UP, BEAR IN MIND IF TRAVELING SOUTH ON 17, YOU HAVE TO TURN LEFT ON 209. THE ONLY WAY TO GET TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. YOU CAN NO LONGER TURN AT THE INTERSECTION, THAT'S BEING CLOSED BY D.O.T.

SO THERE IS NO WAY FOR TRAFFIC THAT IS COMING FROM OVER BY THE RACE TRACK, THEY CAN NO LONGER GO ACROSS, THAT IS CLOSED.

IF YOU ARE HEADING NORTH, AND YOU WANT TO TURN LEFT, YOU TURN LEFT AT 209. THIS IS WHAT WAS RECOMMENDED BY US AND WE WENT BACK WITH YOUR TRAFFIC PERSON AND ASKED US TO PUT THAT DE-CEL LANE AND TO THE NORTH ACROSS FROM THE CRAB DISTRIBUTION FACILITY, IN THE BEST PLACE FOR IT.

AND GIVES PEOPLE TURNING ON 209 CAN TURN RIGHT INTO OUR SITE WITHOUT HAVING TO CIRCLE THE SITE AND COME UP BAHAMA BLUFF.

AND THE REASON THAT WE HAVE ENTRANCE ON BAHAMA BLUFF.

PEOPLE LEAVING THIS SITE IF THEY WANT TO GO SOUTH.

THAT'S WHERE THE LIGHT WILL BE. YOU HAVE TO GO OUT TO BAHAMA BLUFF AND TURN LEFT ON 17 AT THE LIGHT.

THE ENTRANCE ON 17 IS RIGHT TURN IN AND RIGHT OUT ONLY, THE ONLY WAY TO DO WITH D.O.T. WE REDUCED THE NUMBER OF BUILDINGS AND SQUARE FOOTAGE TO BALANCE THE PARKING, SO THAT THE PARKING MEETS THE COUNTY CODE. WHY IT'S BALANCED OUT WE ARE MEETING THE CODE, NOT ASKING FOR VARIANCES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

RESTRICTIONS IN THE PID WERE FOR LIGHTING, WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME ON THE LIGHTING AND USES TO TRY TO KEEP THEM DOWN TO GET RID OF WHAT I THOUGHT WAS OBNOXIOUS THINGS LIKE OUTDOOR STORAGE AND TRACKS AND THINGS IN ORIGINAL. THIS RESTRICTS TO INDOOR FACILITIES AND NO OUT-DOOR STORAGE ONLY IF RETAIL SIGN OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT OUT ON THEIR SIDEWALKS.

AND THEY HAVE TO TAKE IT IN AT NIGHT.

WE RESTRICTED ALL OF THAT. I INCREASED THE LANDSCAPER BUFFER, THE SIZE OF THE TREES AND DENSITY OF IT.

15 FEET WIDE AND HAS A FENCE. SO WE COULD MODULATE THOSE THINGS. WE SHIFTED IT DOWN TO PUT RETENTION PONDS UNDER THE PARKING LOT.

THE ONLY WAY TO MEET THE CRITERIA OF THE CODES AND WHAT YOU ASKED FOR. AND THE ONLY RESTRICTION AND DOES SAY ON THE HEIGHT RESTRICTION FOR CLAY COUNTY.

THERE IS NO HEIGHT RESTRICTION IN CLAY COUNTY.

ON THE DRAWING IT SAYS THREE STORY AND ALL WE RECOMMEND THAT CHANGE MAXIMUM OF THREE STORIES. TO CLEAN IT UP TO MAX THE SITE PLAN. CLAY COUNTY'S HEIGHT IS BASED ON FIRE CODE MORE THAN ANYTHING, YOU CAN PUT A FIVE-STORY AND MAKE SURE THAT THE NEIGHBORS KNOW THAT NEVER OVER THREE STORIES AND THE TOP TWO FLOORS ARE OFFICE.

THOSE ARE THE RECOMMENDATIONS AND TAKE INTO ACCOUNT AND MAKE IT MORE RESTRICTIVE AND PROVIDE A BETTER SITE PLAN.

TAKE ANY QUESTIONS. >> QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT?

>> WHERE IS THE HEIGHT RESTRICTION IN THE WRITTEN

DESCRIPTION? >> IT'S ON-- DESIGN GUIDELINES. IT'S UNDER ITEM 3, #7.

DID THAT CHANGE IN THE ORDINANCE? IT WAS A MISTAKE THAT WE PUT IN THERE AND STAFF TO CLEANUP SO IT WAS NICE AND CLEAR FOR THE NEIGHBORS.

>> IN THE ORDINANCE IT STILL SAYS MAXIMUM STRUCTURED PER CITY OF CLAY COUNTY LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.

>> THAT'S WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT.

>> OKAY, I HAVE OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT THE WRITTEN DESCRIPTION.

BUT I THINK I NEED TO WAIT. AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING.

>> OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? THANK YOU SIR. [GAVEL] WITH THAT OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING, I DON'T HAVE ANY CARDS ON THIS, MR. KNIGHT ALREADY SPOKE TO THIS ISSUE.

IF ANYTHING THAT HE WOULD LIKE ADDITIONAL TO SHARE I WOULD--IF

NOT-- >> HI, I AM HELENA ADDRESS ON

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I WOULD BE CONCERNED TO HAVE THAT CONDITIONAL USAGE WITH MEDICAL MARIJUANA AND ALCOHOL ON THE SAME PREMISES.

NOT SURE WHAT CAN BE DONE AND A RECOMMENDATION NOT TO DO THAT CONDITIONAL USE AS YOU TRY TO MAKE IT A NICE PRODUCT.

AND TRY TO MAKE SOMETHING THAT LOOKS GREAT FOR THE COMMUNITY.

WE WANT TO BE MINDFUL OF THE RISKS WHEN YOU PUT THOSE TWO TOGETHER. MY PERSONAL OBSERVATION ON THIS

ONE, THANK YOU. >> MR. KNIGHT.

>> THANK YOU, AGAIN WE HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT.

>> SORRY MR. KNIGHT THAT IS INAPPROPRIATE AT THIS MEETING.

>> I AM SORRY, WHAT DID I DO WRONG?

>> YOU CAN ASK STAFF AFTER THE MEETING THIS IS NOT A VENUE FOR INTERCHANGE BETWEEN THE PUBLIC AND THE APPLICANT.

I'M SORRY. >> CAN I ASK A QUESTION OF THE

COMMISSIONERS THEN? >> YOU CAN BUT I'M NOT

GUARANTEEING AN ANSWER. >> OKAY, I WILL RESPECT THAT BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE REQUIREMENTS FOR A FENCE IS, IT'S VAGUE ON THE PLANS. BUT AS A RESIDENTIAL AREA, FOR EXAMPLE, OFF OF 220, I DON'T KNOW THE NAME OF THE DEVELOPMENT, BUT IT'S RIGHT OFF, BIG, NICE BRICK WALL, DON'T EXPECT THAT BUT WE WOULD LIKE A LOT OF CONSIDERATION, YOU KNOW, AS TO WHAT THAT WALL IS GOING TO BE MADE OF.

FOR THE PROTECTION OF US. >> MAYBE AFTER THE MEETING YOU CAN ASK THE APPLICANT BEFORE HE LEAVES THE BUILDING.

HE CAN GIVE YOU MORE SPECIFICS WHAT ITS GOING TO BE MADE OF.

HE'S BEEN PRETTY SPECIFIC AS FAR AS INCREASING THE DENSITY OF THE

BUFFERING ON BAHAMA ROAD. >> APPRECIATE THAT.

>> SUCH AS THAT. >> WHO--OKAY, I WAS--I'LL TALK

TO HIM. >> OKAY.

>> YES WE ARE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT KIND OF FENCE AND WHAT KIND OF PROTECTION HAVE ON THAT AND WHATEVER, THE BOARD CONSIDERS OR DOESN'T CONSIDER APPROVAL OR NOT APPROVAL.

YOU KNOW, WE APPRECIATE THAT. >> I UNDERSTAND MR. KNIGHT, THANK YOU. ANY OTHERS TO SPEAK ON THIS AGENDA ITEM? YES, MA'AM.

DID YOU HAVE A CARD? OKAY.

THANK YOU. >> MY NAME IS JOAN BASELY, I LIVE AT 3344 BASELY ROAD. I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT AND WE ALL FACED THE ISSUE WHICH YOU HAVE NO CONTROL OVER THE HIGHWAY AND TRAFFIC LIGHT AND ALL THAT.

BUT MY CONCERN NOW IS UNTIL D.O.T. IS FINISHED WITH THE HIGHWAY, AND WE SEE WHERE THE TRAFFIC LIGHT IS GOING TO BE AND HOW THINGS ARE GOING TO BE MOVING.

IT'S SUCH A DANGEROUS SITUATION RIGHT NOW AND UNTIL THAT IS DONE, THE APPLICANT IS FACED WITH THE SITUATION THAT HE MAY BE PUTTING IN ENTRANCE ON 209 OR BAHAMA BLUFF AND THAT MIGHT NOT WORK SO WELL. AND I THINK THAT IT OUGHT TO BE SLOWED DOWN. AND UNTIL WE SEE WHAT D.O.T.

ACTUALLY PUTS ON THE GROUND. AND NONE OF US HAVE ANY CONTROL OVER THAT. SO THE OTHER POINT WHICH MR. KNIGHT WAS SUGGESTING IS VEGETATION IN THE BUFFER DIES, IT NEEDS MAINTENANCE. WHICH CAN BE DONE AND NOT BE DONE. BUT HE RECOMMENDED OR MADE A MENTION OF PERHAPS A WALL OF SOME SORT.

I NOTICED AS A COMPARISON IF YOU GO IN GREEN COVE SPRINGS THERE ARE THESE SPRING CHURCH AND SCHOOL.

AND IF YOU GO TO THE STREET ON THE BACK, I THINK THE PEOPLE DID IT ON THEIR OWN BUT THEY ENDED UP PUTTING A WALL.

SO THE PEOPLE ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE WHEN CARS PULL IN AND TRAFFIC IS IN AND OUT WITH LIGHTS, IT'S NOT SHINING INTO THEIR WINDOWS. AND ALL BUBUFF--ALSO BUFFERS TH

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>> THANK YOU MA'AM, APPRECIATE IT.

ANY OTHERS THAT THE LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS AGENDA ITEM? SEEING NONE, CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

[GAVEL] WOULD THE APPLICANT COME BACK TO THE PODIUM AND RESPOND TO ANY QUESTIONS THAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN

THROWN YOUR WAY? >> [INAUDIBLE] GET THE OWNER AND

MEET WITH THEM AND TALK ABOUT-- >> CAN YOU LIVE THE MIC UP.

>> WE WILL MEET WITH MR. KNIGHT AND THEM AND TALK ABOUT DIFFERENT TECHNIQUES OF HOW TO BUILD THE FENCE, I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT AND MIGHT ADD COLUMNS.

100% OPAQUE, NOT A WOOD FENCE, WE CAN COME UP WITH SOME TERMINOLOGY IF THAT'S WHAT THEY PREFER IF THEY WOULD LIKE.

D.O.T. THE PLANS ARE OUT THEY ARE NOT GOING TO CHANGE THE PLANS WE KNOW EXACTLY WHERE THE LIGHTS ARE GOING.

THIS IS THE BEST PLAN I EVER HAVE COME UP WITH A STRANGE

PIECE OF PROPERTY. >> IF I COULD MR. CHAIR, I WOULD LIKE TO PIGGYBACK ON THAT QUESTION.

AND I APPRECIATE THAT YOU ARE GOING TO MEET WITH THE COMMUNITY AND HAVE A CONVERSATION. BUT THIS IS PUBLIC RECORD BEFORE THIS GETS APPROVED, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT IS YOUR INTENTION RIGHT NOW AS FAR AS THE BUFFERING.

WE CAN GET STAFF TO CLARIFY WHAT THE REQUIREMENTS ARE AND CURIOUS AS APPLICANT WHAT YOU ARE GOING TO INSTALL AS FAR AS THE BUFFER?

>> IF YOU LOOK AT PLAN, BUFFER A, B AND C, I LABELED EVERY ONE OF THEM AND WHAT I DID INTENSIFY THE BUFFER ON 209 SIDE AND NOT THE CRAB AND BAILS BOND MEN, AND PUT A 15-FOOT GREEN PACE SPACE--SPACE AND HEDGE AND SIX FOOT AND TREES ARE 20 FOOT ON CENTER. AND IN THE WRITTEN REPORT.

WE HAVE FOUR INCH TREES AND CALLED FOR MEDIUM EVERGREENS.

THEY WILL BE EVERGREEN TREES AND CAN'T BE CREPE MYRTLES.

AND YOU GET THAT DENSE BUFFER AND THE POINT TO DO THAT.

>> SIX-FOOT FENCE PLUS THE GREEN SPACE.

>> PLUS THE GREEN SPACE AND I PUT A HEDGE ON THE PARKING LOT AND NOT JUST ABUT TO THE PARKING LOT.

THAT'S ON THE BUFFER. WHERE I CAN PUT OAK TREES I WILL

PUT LIVE OAK TREES. >> OKAY.

>> ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU SIR. >> I HAVE A SERIES OF QUESTIONS.

AND I WANT TO START WITH THE PREMISE THAT I LIKE THE SITE PLAN. I THINK THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF EFFORT INTO IT. BUT WE'RE ACTUALLY VOTING ON THE ORDINANCE. AND THE ORDINANCE INCORPORATES THIS EXHIBIT D. AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS TOOK TIME TO READ IT CAREFULLY BUT I WILL READ PART OF IT.

BECAUSE I THINK IT'S VERY POORLY WRITTEN, NO OFFENSE.

BUT--THERE IS TOO MUCH WIGGLE ROOM IN HERE.

I DON'T HAVE ANY LINE NUMBERS, BUT FOR EXAMPLE, SECOND PARAGRAPH, IT SAYS THE OWNER WILL BE RESTRICTIVE IN THE TYPES OF BUSINESSES ALLOWED. THAT'S JUST A STATEMENT.

DOESN'T NEED TO BE IN THERE. ATTACHED MASTER PLAN IS PROVIDED, COMMA, FINAL ENGINEERING BUT WILL MEET CLAY COUNTY LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE PER PCD REQUIREMENTS.

WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? CAN SOMEONE INTERPRET THAT FOR ME? I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS.

AND THIS IS GOING TO BE PART OF THE ORDINANCE.

WE TALKED ABOUT THE ENTRANCES ALREADY.

OUTSIDE STORAGE. THIS MIGHT BE A QUESTION TO BETH. IS RETAIL DISPLAY DEFINED IN OUR CODE CLEARLY? THIS SAYS LIMITED TO RETAIL DISPLAY. IS THAT ENFORCEABLE DESCRIPTION?

>> I DON'T THINK IT'S CLEAR. >> I MEAN IT COULD BE, I AM RETAILER AD PUT ANYTHING OUT FRONT AND SAY THIS IS MY RETAIL DISPLAY, WE DON'T HAVE IN THE CODE WHERE DEFINED.

YOU HAVE UNDEFINED TERMS IN HERE.

AND NEAR THE BOTTOM OF THE FIRST PAGE CREATION OF MASTER PLAN DEVELOPMENT AFFORDS EFFICIENT USE OF THE LAND, TRUE STATEMENT.

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WE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE APPROVING THE SITE PLAN, WHAT EXPANSION TO THIS? IF WE ARE TALKING ABOUT PHASES OF THE BUILDING IT SHOULD SAY EACH PHASE.

BUT THIS SAYS THE SITE PLAN. THAT MEANS THAT GIVES THEM WIGGLE ROOM TO CHANGE THAT. NOT ONLY THAT, THIS IS CALLED EXHIBIT D, DOWN HERE EXHIBIT D. TURN THE PAGE, IT SUDDENLY BECOMES EXHIBIT 2. THE SAME DOCUMENT.

WHEN YOU GET INTO ABCD, QUANTITATIVE DATA SUMMARY, ITEM 2, PROPOSED NUMBER OF BUILDINGS ON THE SITE MIGHT VARY.

VARY FROM WHAT? YOU GOT A SITE PLAN, HOW ARE THEY GOING TO VARY? TOTAL AMOUNT OF PARKING AND THIS PROBABLY IS A STAFF QUESTION. THIS IS HOW IT READS, PARKING SHALL BE CONSISTENT WITH THE REQUIREMENTS OF ARTICLE 8 OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE 8-2. WHAT IS 8--8-12, WHAT IS THAT?

WHAT IS 8-12? >> THAT'S THE PARKING SECTION?

>> THAT'S THE SECTION OF THAT? OKAY.

WITH THE PARKING AND QUESTION TO YOU BETH, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS LAST TIME. WITH THE USES HERE SOME EXPECTATION OF SHARED PARKING DAY/NIGHT.

BUT AGAIN I WILL POINT THIS OUT, NOWHERE IN HERE DOES IT SAY WHAT THAT RATIO OF DAY/NIGHT USES ARE GOING TO BE? YOU COULD GO IN AND PUT 100% RESTAURANTS IN HERE AND YOU DON'T HAVE ENOUGH PARKING. THE ASSUMPTION THAT SOME PARKING USED IN THE NIGHT AND SOME USED DURING THE DAY.

THAT'S A PROBLEM I THINK FOR THE PARKING.

YOU GET THE WRONG MIX OF BUILDINGS IN HERE.

AND I KNOW THE OWNER AND DEVELOPER WILL SAY, WELL WE WILL TAKE CARE OF THAT. IT'S IN THE ORDINANCE, IF IT'S NOT IN THE ORDINANCE, THEY COULD LEASE EVERY BUILDING THEY GOT TO RESTAURANTS. WHICH MIGHT NOT BE A BAD IDEA BUT THEY DON'T HAVE ENOUGH PARKING FOR THAT.

SO--AND ITEM 6 IT SAYS EACH PHASE WILL BE SUBMITTED TO CLAY COUNTY FOR APPROVAL, I ASSUME THEY MEAN DESIGN PEOPLE.

NOT SURE WHERE IN CLAY COUNTY. AND RESTRICTIVE USES.

DESIGN GUIDELINES. IT'S GOT FUTURE PRINCIPAL STRUCTURES AND MINIMUM LOT REQUIREMENTS IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE REQUIREMENTS PROVIDED HEREIN.

YOU GOT A SITE PLAN, THEN WE'VE GOT ZERO LOT AREAS, WE GOT MAXIMUM LOT COVERAGE. WE HAVE FRONT-YARD MINIMUM.

I DON'T KNOW WHY THIS IS IN HERE IF YOU HAVE A SITE PLAN THAT DETAILS THAT ALREADY. WE ALREADY ASKED ABOUT THE HEIGHT CODE. WE KNOW THAT NEEDS TO BE PUT IN HERE. 35 FEET OR WHATEVER THAT NUMBER IS THAT WE LIKE TO USE. UNDER "B" IT'S MORE ABOUT COUNTY ROAD 209 WHICH WE TALKED ABOUT. IN "C," I MENTIONED THE PARKING ISSUE. AGAIN HERE COMES RETAIL DISPLAYS ONLY IN SECTION C, ITEM 4A. IT'S NOT DEFINED.

BUILDING SIGNAGE WILL BE IN ACCORDANCE WITH LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS BY CLAY COUNTY, FLORIDA.

AND THEN SPECIFY WHAT THE SIGNS ARE.

SQUARE FOOTAGE AND ALL. EITHER SPECIFIED WITH THE SIGNS OR SAY THAT WE FOLLOW THE SIGN CODE FOR SOME OTHER ZONING IN THE COUNTY. I WILL SAY I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT THERE IS A SECTION IN HERE ON SITE LIGHTING.

HOWEVER, AND I THINK THIS HAS GONE TOO FAR, SECTION "F" IT SAYS SITE LIGHTING IS DESIGNED TO LIMIT SITE LIGHTING TO 0O FOOT CANDLES OF ANY RESIDENTIAL AREA.

I DON'T THINK THAT'S EVEN POSSIBLE.

TAT'S PITCH BLACK. SO THAT'S NOT--AND REMEMBER ALL OF THIS WORDING IS IN THE ORDINANCE.

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WE ALWAYS SEE THAT. I GUESS MY POINT WITH THIS IS I DON'T THINK IT'S A BAD PLAN. I THINK IT'S A POORLY EXECUTED PLAN. THAT NEEDS TO GO BACK AND BE REWRITTEN SO THAT THE ORDINANCE ACTUALLY SAYS WHAT WE HAVE BEEN HEARING. AND I DON'T THINK IT DOES.

UNLESS ANYBODY ELSE HAS ANY COMMENTS WITH THAT, I'M KIND OF DONE. BUT I CAN'T SUPPORT THIS ORDINANCE NOT THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN.

THIS NEEDS TO BE REWRITTEN BY--TO CLARIFY A LOT OF STUFF.

>> ANY OTHER COMMENTS? >> NO, I'M GOING TO VOTE NO ON THIS. BECAUSE THIS COMES TO THE BCC IN A WEEK AND NUMBER 2, STAFF DIDN'T WRITE THIS, THE APPLICANT DID. THEY MERELY INCORPORATED THIS WORD FOR WORD INTO THE ORDINANCE.

BUT THE ORDINANCE IS THE LEGAL DOCUMENT.

THAT'S GOING TO GET PASSED. AND THEN ALL OF THIS SLOPPY WORK THAT'S IN THIS EXHIBIT ENDS UP IN OUR ORDINANCE.

AND THAT'S WHAT I AM SAYING. AND I DON'T THINK THERE IS TIME

IN A WEEK TO REDO THIS. >> OKAY, LET ME PUT THIS OUT THERE. IF THIS IS A VALID CONCERN AND IT APPEARS AS SUCH, BECAUSE THE RIGHT HAND DOESN'T KNOW WHAT THE LEFT HAND IS DOING. A COUPLE OF THINGS WE CAN DO, ONE, RECOMMEND TO THE BOARD AND GOES BACK AND WHAT THEY SAY GO FROM THERE. OR WE COULD RECOMMEND A CONTINUATION UNTIL SUCH TIME THAT THE APPLICANT CLEANS UP THIS MESS. IN ORDER TO MAKE THE ORDINANCE BE MORE IN ALIGNED WITH WHAT IS TO BE BUILT AND WHEN AND HOW ON THE SITE. COMMENTS?

>> IF I MAY, MR. CHAIR. SO FIRST OFF, I APPLAUD COMMISSIONER PLUCK --PUCKHABER TO DIG INTO THE WEEDS AND WE SUPPORT COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT IN THIS COUNTY WHERE APPROPRIATE. BECAUSE WE WANT JOBS IN THIS COUNTY, WE DON'T WANT TO BE A BEDROOM COMMUNITY FOR OTHER SURROUNDING COUNTIES. THAT BEING SAID, I THINK THIS IS A GREAT PLAN, I HEARD THE CONSTITUENTS CONCERNS AND IT APPEARS THOSE CONCERNS HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED IN THE REFABRICATION OF THIS CONCEPT. WITH THAT BEING SAID, WITH THE ERRORS THAT ARE PRESENTED, NOT THE PLAN, I THINK THE PLAN IS A GOOD PLAN. BUT I THINK COMMISSIONER PUCKHABER MAKES A VALID POINT, THAT WE NEED TO GET THIS CLEANED UP BEFORE. AND WITH THAT, I AM IN FAVOR OF A CONTINUANCE AND ALLOW THE APPLICANT TO GO BACK AND GET IT RIGHT BEFORE WE TAKE IT TO A VOTE.

RATHER THAN DENIAL AND GO THROUGH THE WHOLE PROCESS AGAIN.

AND MORE TIME ON STAFF AND ON APPLICANT PLUS MONEY.

THAT IS MY SUGGESTION. >> MR. CHAIR.

>> YES, SIR. >> I WANT TO ECHO WHAT MR. BOURRÉ SAID, I DON'T THINK IT'S A BAD PLAN, JUST POORLY EXECUTED. THAT'S ALL.

THE OVERALL PLAN LOOKS GOOD BUT NEEDS TO BE CLEANER THAN THIS.

>> I LIKE THE PLAN BUT WE ARE GETTING READY TO MAKE A DECISION ON A TOTAL PACKAGE PRODUCT AND WE DON'T HAVE THAT.

WE HAVE A GOOD PLAN AND THE RESIDENTS ARE NOT UP IN ARMS

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>> I UNDERSTAND, KELLY HARTWIG, 3420.

I'LL ACCEPT DOING THE CONTINUANCE, I WANT TO MAKE YOU HAPPY MR. PUCKHABER AND I WANT A COUPLE OF THINGS AND REWRITE IT.

SITE PLAN SUBMITTAL EVERY TIME THAT A TENANT MOVES IN AND COME TO THE COUNTY AND SHOW WHERE THEY ARE GOING AND THAT HAS TO JUSTIFY THE PARKING. IF WE BROUGHT IN A SECOND OR THIRD RESTAURANT AND WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH PARKING TO JUSTIFY IT. THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE COUNTY EVERY TIME WITH A SITE PLAN FOR EVERY TENANT TO PROVE THAT YOU HAVE ENOUGH PARKING FOR THOSE MIX OF TENANTS. NOT DONE AT THIS STAGE.

HOWEVER THERE IS A PARKING CALCULATION ON THAT MAP THAT SHOWS HOW MANY SQUARE FOOTAGE OF COMMERCIAL AND RETAIL AND HOW CALCULATED. THAT'S HOW YOU SET IT UP AND YOU HAD SO MUCH RETAIL AND OFFICE AND HOW THEY CALCULATED.

EVEN WITH THAT, IF I WAS TO LOCK THAT IN, EVERY TIME I GO TO GET A TENANT OR THINGS THAT I HAVE TO PROVE THAT I HAVE THE RIGHT AMOUNT OF PARKING. I WILL DO IT, TO CLEAN IT UP.

YOU ARE RIGHT, THE PHASING IS WHAT WE ARE TALKING COMING BACK FOR THE ENGINEERING. PURELY FOR THE PHASING.

THAT PLAN WON'T CHANGE AND I CAN CHANGE THAT AND I'LL DESCRIBE THE RETAIL AND DO SOMETHING FOR THE NEIGHBORS FOR THE FENCE AND BRING FORWARD TO YOU NEXT MONTH, THAT WORK FOR YOU?

>> WORKS FINE. I DON'T THINK THAT WE DISLIKE THE PLAN OR THE NEIGHBORS DISLIKE IT.

IT JUST NEEDS TO BE CLEANED UP BEFORE WE PUT IN OUR ORDINANCE.

BETH, A QUESTION FOR YOU. IS THAT CORRECT WHAT HE SAID ABOUT PARKING? EVERY TIME A BUSINESS WANTS TO

LOCATE THEY HAVE TO COME? >> CORRECT, IT'S A CHANGE OF

OCCUPANCY. >> EVERY CHANGE OF OCCUPANCY?

>> YES, REVIEWED. >> OR INITIAL OCCUPANCY?

>> CHANGE OF OCCUPANCY. >> THE INITIAL OCCUPANCY

CONSIDERED A CHANGE? >> THE INITIAL OCCUPANCY WHEN THEY COME IN WHAT THEY PROPOSED AND LOOK AT IT THAT THE INTENDED USE WILL MEET THE REQUIREMENTS. AS EACH CHANGES OUT AND A RETAIL STRIP CENTER THAT HAS MULTIPLE SUITES, WE LOOK AT EACH ONE TO BE SURE THERE IS ADEQUATE PARKING.

>> OKAY. >> IT'S CALLED A CHANGE OF

OCCUPANCY. >> OKAY.

SO APPARENTLY THAT IS ACTUALLY TAKEN CARE OF.

>> I'LL REWRITE IT SO IT MAKES IT CLEAR FOR YOU.

ONE OTHER THING AND JUST FOR EDUCATION, I DON'T WANT TO BOTHER ALL OF THESE PEOPLE. I DO A LOT OF LIGHTING, VERY LARGE, LARGE SCALE. THERE IS A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN FOOT CANDLES AT THE PROPERTY LINE.

THAT IS USUALLY WHAT YOU SEE IN EVERYBODY'S CODE WHAT WE DETERMINE WHEN WE LOOK AT THE LIGHTS AND PHOTO METRICS AND THEN LIGHT GLARE. THINK WHEN YOU DRIVE DOWN THE ROAD AND LOOK IN THE DISTANCE AND SEE A STADIUM AND THE LIGHTS. THAT FOOT CANDLE IS NOT AFFECTING WHERE YOU ARE BUT STILL SEE THE LIGHT.

WHAT YOU ARE LOOKING AT LIGHT REFLECTING OFF DUST AND PA PARTICLES IN THE AIR, THAT WON'T BE ZERO.

AND ON BAHAMA BLUFF YOU WILL SEE BUT NOT AFFECT THE LIGHTING ON THE PROPERTY, DOES THAT MAKE SENSE?

>> IT DOES. >> OKAY WITH THAT SAID, ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY? FIRST OFF I WOULD LIKE TO THANK COMMISSIONER PUCKHABER TO BRING THIS TO LIGHT.

ENTERTAIN A MOTION. >> MOVE CONTINUANCE TO NEXT

MONTH, I DON'T KNOW THE DATE-- >> JUNE MEETING?

>> THE SECOND OF JUNE? OKAY.

>> I'LL SECOND. >> THE SECOND OF JUNE OR SOON

THEREAFTER TO BE HEARD. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION?

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. >> AYE.

[1. Public Hearing to consider COMP 26-0003 and PUD 26-0001. (District 4, Comm. Condon) (B. Carson)]

>> OPPOSED SAME SIGN. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

WITH THAT WE WILL MOVE ON TO NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA WHICH IS-- OKAY PUBLIC HEARING 26-0003 AND

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26-0001. >> THAT IS CORRECT.

THESE ITEMS BEFORE BOARD NEXT WEEK AND APPLICANTS COLIN GROFF BLACK CREEK ENGINEERING. AND THE LOCATIONS OF PROPERTIES SR21, LANDING BETWEEN TREAT ROAD AND GAS LINE ROAD AT KEYSTONE HEIGHTS. AND THE DISTRICT IS IN COMM COMMISSIONER ER CONDON'S DISTR.

COMP-263 WOULD CHANGE 14 ACRES OF PARCEL FROM AG-RESIDENTIAL AR TO COMMERCIAL. AND THEN PUD 26-0001 CHANGE THE ZONING OF ENTIRE ACREAGE, 64.9 ACRES FROM COMMERCIAL TO PROFESSIONAL OFFICE TO PLANNED COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT PCD.

THE MAP ON THE LEFT IS THE NOTIFICATION MAP AND I USED THE NOTIFICATION MAP FOR PCD, ENCOMPASSING ALL 60 ACRES.

THE LIST ON THE RIGHT ARE THE PEOPLE THAT WERE CONTACTED.

AND THE SIGNS ARE SHOWN BELOW. MAP ON THE LEFT IS LOCATION MAP FOR JUST COMP-PLAN AMENDMENT, JUST TWO TRIANGLES SHOWN IN PURPLE. AND THE AERIAL ON THE RIGHT.

THIS IS THE BACK PART OF THE PARCEL.

THE MAP ON THE LEFT IS YOUR EXISTING LANDUSE MAP.

YOU SEE THE HATCHED AREA IS THE PARCEL SUBJECT OF THE SITE.

BEHIND THE STRIP OF COMMERCIAL THAT RUNS AS LON AS LANDING.

AND YOU SEE OPEN AREAS THAT LOOKS LIKE STREETS SHOWN IN THAT RED AREA, THAT IS BEING VACATED. THAT IS ALSO A PROCESS THAT IS GOING ON THROUGH THE BOARD AT THE MEETING NEXT WEEK.

THE MAP ON THE RIGHT IS THE PROPOSED LAND USE FOR THOSE TWO LITTLE TRIANGLE PIECES GOING TO COMMERCIAL.

THIS IS JUST TO GIVE YOU A BROADER LOOK AT THAT LOCATION.

IT'S RIGHT THERE SOUTH OF CAMP BLANDING.

THIS IS IN JUST ONE KIND OF COMMERCIAL NODE, YOU DON'T HAVE REALLY ANYTHING ELSE OTHER THAN DOWN TO KEYSTONE HEIGHTS.

BUT IF YOU LOOK AND SEE THE PARCEL SIZES ARE QUITE SMALL FOR MOST OF THE OTHER SITES. THE MAP ON THE LEFT IS THE EXISTING ZONING. YOU SEE IT IS AR2.

ACTUALLY NOTES--SAYS AR ON THE MAP, THAT IS INCORRECT.

SHOULD BE AR2. THE MAP ON THE RIGHT IS PROPOSED ZONING FOR ENTIRE PARCEL TO GO TO PCD.

THE INTENT WAS TO HAVE THE USES THAT ARE ACROSS BLANDING WHICH IS BD ZONING, YOU CAN NO LONGER ZONE TO BD.

AND THE INTENT TO PICK UP THE USES AND SIMILAR TYPE COMMERCIAL. HOWEVER THE APPLICANT HAS HONED DOWN THE LIST A LITTLE BIT. SO APPLIANCE SALES AND SERVICE, AUTOMOTIVE PARTS AND HEATING VENTILATION, AC, CONTRACTOR OFFICES AND MEDICAL SUPPLY. TIRE SALES AND SERVICE, LAWN MOWER AND OUT DOOR RENTALS AND DRILLING, ETC.

USES WOULD BE COMMUNICATION ANTENNAS AND TOWERS AND RECREATIONAL VEHICLE AND BOAT STORAGE, THAT'S IT.

THE PCD FEATURES A 40-FOOT NATURAL BUFFER WITH OPAQUE FENCE AND VEGETATION ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL.

LIGHT STANDARDS TO CONTROL LIGHT TRESPASS.

LIGHT STANDARDS, COMMON STORMWATER FOR THE ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT AND ULTIMATELY END UP BEING SIX LOTS RANGING FROM 8-12 ACRES AND EACH 40% FLOOR AREA RATIO, THAT IS PRETTY LOW THAT MEANS OPEN SPACE AND MOSTLY PARKING LOT I'M SURE.

BUT YOU ARE NOT SOLID BUILDINGS OVER THE ENTIRE PARCEL.

THE SITE PLAN, THE SIX LOTS THAT ARE PROPOSED.

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AND CONNECTING ROAD. SERVING THE AREA.

AND AS EACH PARCEL COMES INTO BE REVIEWED AND GO THROUGH DRC AND REVIEW PROCESS, EACH ONE HAS TO MEET THE LANDSCAPE CODE AND AS WELL AS THE BUFFER AND ANYTHING REQUIRED ON THIS.

PARKING, ETC. SO THERE'S TWO ITEMS HERE WITH THE COMP PLAN, 2603, STAFF FINDS THAT CRITERIA FOR THE COMP PLAN HAS BEEN MET AND RECOMMENDS APPROVAL.

AND ZONING, 2601, STAFF FINDS THAT ZONING IS MET AND RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THAT ITEM.

YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? >> I JUST HAVE ONE.

CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE LANDUSE MAP? THAT ONE. YEAH.

THAT WILL DO. SO ALL OF THIS IS ONE PARCEL RIGHT NOW IS THIS WHERE WE AT SOME POINT WE DREW A LINE AND CUT A PARCEL IN HALF AND MADE IN COMMERCIAL?

>> IT'S ACTUALLY TWO PARCELS. >> THE LITTLE PIECE THAT IS PART OF WHAT WE ARE ASKING ABOUT, IS THAT A SEPARATE PARCEL?

>> OKAY SO THIS IS ONE PARCEL. AND THIS IS ONE--SORRY, THIS WHOLE THING IS ONE PARCEL. AND THEN THIS PIECE IS A PARCEL.

>> OKAY. I THINK THAT'S WHAT I WAS

ASKING. >> AND IT'S PART OF A PLATTED

SUBDIVISION ALREADY WHICH-- >> IF YOU LOOK AT THE VERY BOTTOM EDGE OF THAT RED AREA IN THE UPPER LEFT.

LOOKS LIKE COMMERCIAL ACTUALLY GOES INTO THAT RESIDENTIAL LOT THAT IS THERE AS WELL. THEY GOT A LITTLE CHUNK.

>> IT DOES BUT NOT PART OF THIS. >> RIGHT.

>> THAT WAS MY ONLY QUESTION. >> THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED WHEN YOU

DO THE SWAP. >> THEN I HAVE JUST ONE QUESTION, CAMP BLANDING IS NOT HERE THIS IS ADJACENT, DID WE

HEAR FROM CAMP BLANDING ON THIS? >> NO.

>> WAS THIS SENT TO THEM FOR REVIEW?

>> THEY WOULD SEE THE SIGNS AS SENT TO THEM BUT--

>> CAUSE I KNOW THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO WEIGH IN ON ANYTHING WITHIN THAT DISTANCE OF THE CAMP.

>> I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF. ABOUT CAMP BLANDING.

DID THEY RECEIVE THE MATERIALS AND NOTICE OF AVAILABILITY THE SAME AS COMMISSIONERS DO, THEIR REPRESENTATIVE?

>> I'M NOT SURE. I THINK THEY DO BUT NOT SURE

HONESTLY. >> I WONDER.

>> WITH THAT SET UP AND YOU HAVE YOUR OWN LAPTOP.

>> PAUL IS NOT HERE SO I THINK LIKE PAUL GETS IT AND THEN I THINK CAMP BLANDING IS GETTING IT.

>> PAUL IS NOT HERE BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE AGENDA ITEMS THAT

INVOLVES. >> CORRECT BUT HE DOESN'T HAVE A LAPTOP AND DOESN'T HAVE THAT BACK DOOR ACCESS TO THE AGENDA ITEMS THAT YOU DO. I WOULD ASSUME THAT CAMP

BLANDING HAS IT AS WELL. >> OKAY.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF STAFF? APPLICANT HERE?

PLEASE. >> YEAH, COLIN GROFF BLACK CREEK ENGINEERING. STAFF DID A GOOD JOB TO COVER THIS AND A COUPLE OF THINGS AND I QUESTION THAT I HEAR WHY A PLAN COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT INSTEAD OF STRAIGHT ZONING.

AND THE REASON THAT THE OWNERS ARE RELOCATING THEIR BUSINESSES HERE AND GROWING AND RELOCATE BUSINESSES TO A COUPLE OF PARCELS. AND OF COURSE GOING THROUGH THE SITE PLAN WITH THEM. AND WHEN THEY SELL CONTROL WHAT IS USES GOES ON THE REST OF THEM COMPLEMENTARY TO THE BUSINESSES.

AND THE OTHER REASON THAT IT ELIMINATES THE CATEGORIES THAT ARE NOT COMPLEMENTARY TO THE BUSINESSES AND THE QUESTION WHY THIS INSTEAD OF STRAIGHT ZONING. THAT'S THE REASON ALLOWS THE OWNERS TO CONTROL WHAT GOES NEXT TO THEIR BUSINESSES.

AND STAFF COVERED THIS, VERY FEW PLACES IN CLAY COUNTY, THESE ARE COMMERCIAL BUSINESSES AND WHOLESALE COMPANIES THAT NEED MORE ROOM. DON'T NECESSARILY NEED A LOT OF OFFICE SPACE BUT MORE ROOM FOR THEIR COMPANIES.

I THINK THIS IS A GOOD OPPORTUNITY AND GOOD LOCATION FOR THAT. AND AGAIN THE LAND USE AND THAT SWATH, THOSE TWO TRIANGLES AND USING THOSE FOR THE COMMON

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EVEN THOUGH THE STORMWATER PONDS COULD BE IN THE AG-ZONING WITH BUFFERS BUT TO ME MAKES SENSE TO MAKE THE PARCEL ONE SO NO CONFUSION WHERE THE LINE IS. ANY QUESTIONS FOR US?

I WOULD BE GLAD TO ANSWER THEM. >> THE ONLY--DO YOU HAVE ONE?

GO AHEAD. >> I JUST WONDERED IF YOU HAD

ANY CONTACT WITH CAMP BLANDING. >> NO, BUT WE DID REVIEW, YOU ARE ASKING THE QUESTION AND MY MIND WENT BLANK WHAT THEIR PLAN IS CALLED. THEY HAVE A STANDARD PLAN WHAT THEY LOOK AT GOING AROUND THEM. AND ONE THING THEY DON'T WANT RESIDENTIAL UP NEXT TO THEM. COMMERCIAL--THESE TYPES OF COMMERCIALS IF YOU LOOK AT RECOMMENDED AND IF YOU DEVELOP THAT'S WHAT THEY WANT. FOR THEM, BECAUSE OF NOISE AND OTHER ACTIVITIES. THIS IS ALSO ON THE SOUTHERN END, MY BET THEY WOULDN'T. WE DON'T HAVE A WAY TO GET TO THEM BUT THEY DID GET NOTICE BECAUSE ADJACENT LANDOWNER.

IT'S CALLED ACUP. AND PLANNING DOES REFER TO

COMMERCIAL [INAUDIBLE]. >> IS THIS WHERE THERE IS A PUBLIC ACCESS TO CAMP BLANDING TO HIKE TO MAGNOLIA LAKE?

>> IT'S OFF OF TREE. OFF OF THAT ROAD TO THE NORTH.

>> THANK YOU. >> AND AGAIN THE PROPERTY IS CUT INTO TWO AND THE FRONT AND THE LARGE KB TRANSMISSION LINES THAT KIND OF CUTS THE PROPERTY IN HALF.

>> THANK YOU. >> QUESTIONS TO THE APPLICANT? DID YOU GET THE RIGHTS REMOVED ON THAT EASEMENT?

AM I IN THE RIGHT PART? >> YOU TALK ABOUT THE UTILITIES AND CUTS IN HALF? THAT'S EASEMENT ON THE PROPERTY AND WE HAVE EASEMENT DOCUMENT US AND KNOW WHAT IS DONE, IT'S A TRANSITION AND YOU CAN CROSS UNDERNEATH IT.

YOU COULD THEKRETICALLY STORE THINGS BUT KEEP OPEN AND THAT GOES WITH THE LAND AND ALREADY THERE, THAT PROTECTS IT.

BUT YOU CAN CROSS UNDER IT CAN MAKES SENSE.

WE CAN'T PUT A STORMWATER POND UNDER IT BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO

ACCESS. >> GOT YOU.

AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND WITH THAT [GAVEL] OPEN THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD. I DON'T HAVE ANY CARDS ON THIS.

>> HELENA, ADDRESS ON FILE. I WANT TO SAY HOW MUCH I APPRECIATE THEM DOING IT AS PCD AND DOING IT THAT WAY.

SO IT DOES RESTRICT WHAT BUSINESSES GO IN THERE AND WHAT ISN'T ALLOWED AND HOW TO DEFINE THAT.

AND MAKES SENSE WHEN WE ARE DEVELOPING AND KEEPING A TIGHTER ARM ON THE DEVELOPMENT THAT GOES IN THERE.

I APPRECIATE THAT. >> THANK YOU.

IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE THAT HAS A COMMENT? SEEING NONE. [GAVEL] CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD AND BRING BACK TO COMMISSION.

>> MR. CHAIR I HAVE A QUESTION AND ONE OF THE APPLICANTS MIGHT ANSWER THIS. THOSE MILITARY REQUIREMENTS BECAUSE IN HERE WE HAVE DEVELOPMENT TO BE GUIDED BY SIGNAGE AND LIGHTING REQUIREMENTS THAT PREVENT LIGHT TRESPASS TO THE ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL AND MILITARY.

AND ONE OF THE CONCERNS WITH CAMP BLANDING IS DARK SKY.

I WAS JUST CURIOUS THAT CLEARLY YOU'RE GOING TO PREVENT LIGHT FROM INTERFERING WITH THE MILITARY BASE BUT DO THEY DOCUMENT HOW MUCH THEY ALLOW OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT IN THOSE PLANS? ANYBODY KNOW?

>> [INAUDIBLE] >> CAUSE OUR MILITARY GUY IS NOT

HERE. >> RIGHT AND WISH HE WAS BECAUSE THE STANDARDS TO ME, I HAVE BEEN IN 40 YEARS AND WORKING AROUND MILITARY BASES AND STILL CONFUSE ME.

THEY DO HAVE SOME STANDARDS AND THE REASON THAT WE WROTE THE LIGHT STANDARDS TO ZERO DOWN AT THE PROPERTY LINE IT WILL NOT AFFECT AND THE GLARE YOU HEARD KELLY TALK ABOUT, THAT HAPPENS.

AND HAVE NEVER SEEN AND WORKED ON MILITARY BASES AND NEVER BEEN AN ISSUE THAT I HAVE SEEN. WHAT THEY DON'T WANT IS STROBE LIGHTS POINTING LIKE AVIATION. THEY DON'T WANT STROBE LIGHTS.

SOME OF THOSE RULES. I'M BEING VERY VAGUE I AM NOT

THE STANDARD FOR MILITARY BASES. >> I KNOW THEY DO NIGHT TRAINING OUT THERE AND WANT THE SKY AS DARK AS POSSIBLE AND MAKE THAT

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STATEMENT AND ACCOMMODATE THEM. >> AND WE HAVE TREE BUFFER ON

TREE ROAD. >> THEY DON'T WANT LIGHT INTO

THE AIR. >> THESE ARE COMMERCIAL BUSINESSES AND NOT DOING THE BIG, HEAVY STADIUM LIGHTING.

THE WAY THAT WE WROTE THE LIGHTING VERY LOW, DOWN LIGHTING FOR SECURITY ONLY. TRYING TO KEEP IT LOW PROFILE.

>> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

YOU HAVE INPUT ON THIS? >> I DO ACTUALLY, IF I MAY.

JOSH COCKRELL, I ACTUALLY REPRESENT AND PUT ON MY OTHER HAT, CLAY COUNTY LIEUTENANT COLONEL IN CHARGE AND OF THE LIGHTING AND HIGHLY RECOMMEND THAT YOU REPRESENT, THEY WERE NOT AWARE. SO THAT WAS A HUGE CONCERN.

AS FOR COMMERCIAL THEY ARE OKAY WITH COMMERCIAL, IT'S INDUSTRIAL--RESIDENTIAL IS A HUGE PROBLEM FOR THEM.

THEY HAVE A THREE MILE ACUB, ARMY COMPATIBLE USE AROUND THE BASE AND WE HAVE FEE SIMPLE AND NOT FEE SIMPLE EASEMENTS AND TO PREVENT DEVELOPMENT ENCROACHMENT.

TO KEEP THE BASE FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT TO PREVENT THE BASE TO CONTINUE THEIR ACTIVE MISSION ITSELF.

BUT THAT'S FINE, IN TALKING WITH LIGHTING.

THERE IS NO ISSUE THERE, ONLY THING TO BE AWARE OF THEY ARE WORKING ON BUILDING TWO HUGE LIVE FIRE RANGES DOWN THE ROAD FROM THIS SITE, DEFINITELY NO RESIDENTIAL FOR THAT REASON.

AND KEEP ON RADAR. AND AROUND THE BASE, COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL IS OKAY BUT NO HOUSING.

AROUND THE BASE OF THAT THREE-MILE RADIUS.

>> THANK YOU. >> I HAVE A QUESTION.

>> YEP. >> MR. COCKRELL, I AM UNDERSTANDING YOU TO SAY THAT YOU HAVE CONTACT WITH THE CAMP BLANDING FOLKS AND THEY GOT NOTICE OF ALL OF THIS FROM YOU.

>> THEY DID JUST NOW. >> BUT THAT WAS THE FIRST THAT

THEY-- >> HEARD OF THIS YES.

>> WHICH IS NOT A GOOD THING. >> I WOULD ASK STAFF TO PLEASE CHECK INTO THAT. THIS IS THE FIRST APPLICATION I CAN REMEMBER IN QUITE SOME TIME THAT HAS AFFECTED CAMP BLANDING AND I WAS SURPRISED THAT TE REPRESENTATIVE NOT HERE AND I AM THINKING SOME BREAKDOWN IN COMMUNICATION.

IT'S SOMETHING THAT I THINK DOESN'T HURT TO GO THE EXTRA MILE AND MAKE SURE THEY HAVE A REP ON BOARD.

WHO IS GETTING THE E-MAIL SO WE DON'T HAVE PROBLEMS.

>> AND I THOUGHT ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION WEBSITE A REPRESENTATIVE AND WE HAVE HAD CHANGE IN STAFF AND YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN ON HERE QUITE A LONG TIME.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT GOT LOST IN COMMUNICATION.

>> IT CONCERNED ME WHEN I READ THIS.

>> WHEN YOU GUYS GOING FORWARD BE SURE IF YOU ARE DEALING WITH ANY PROPERTY WITHIN THREE MILES AND MR. PUC ASTUTE AND PAYING IN DETAIL. WITHIN THREE MILES OF THAT BASE MAKE THANKS FOR LETTING THEM KNOW.

[INDISCERNIBLE] I KNOW THEY HAD CHANGE OF HANDS IN THE ACTUAL POSITION THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE HERE.

IT APPARENTLY APPARENTLY HAS GONE AWAY.

>> SOMEBODY FROM THE COUNTY SHOULD CONTACT THIS DIVISION.

FROM THE COUNTY'S PERSPECTIVE T LET THEM KNOW.

I DON'T WANT THE BOARD OF COUNT TO BE BLINDSIDED BECAUSE ALL OF A SUDDEN THEY COME AND SAY WE DIDN'T KNOW.

>> THAT IS EXACTLY MY CONCERN. ARE YOU READY FOR EMOTION MOTION

? >> I'M GOING TO MOVE THE STAFF BOARD ON THE LAND USE PORTION. ANY DISCUSSION?

>> FOR THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION AS WELL.

>> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND .

ANY DISCUSSION? >> AND WE HAVE ONE.

JUST WANT TO REEMPHASIZE WHAT WAS SAID.

THEY DIDN'T TAKE US UP ON THE WEEK IN THE BBC.

I THINK I WOULD SAY AS WELL TWO THINGS TO MAKE SURE WHATEVER

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THAT'S ALL. >> ANY OTHER DISCUSSION TO ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. OPPOSE SAME SIGN.

[2. Public Hearing to consider COMP 26-0001 and PUD 26-0002. (District 4, Comm. Condon) (D. Selig)]

NUMBER IS IT. >> OLD NUMBER TO MAKE.

COMP PLAN 26-00. PUD PLAN 26-0002.

THESE TWO ITEMS WAS HEARD BY TH BOARD COUNTY COMMISSIONERS ON MAY 12. THE APPLICANT FOR THE ITEMS IS JOSH COCKRELL. THE PROPERTY INVOLVES THAT 4640 COUNTY ROAD 218 IN MIDDLEBURG. IT IS THE COMMISSIONERS 24.

WE CHANGE THE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION OF THIS PARCEL FROM RURAL RESIDENTIAL. THAT WOULD CHANGE THE ZONING FROM PRIVATE SURFACES 1 TO PLANNED INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT.

WE HAVE SIGNS THAT WERE POSTED AND A MAP OF THE PARCELS.

IF IT'S EASIER TO SEE THE SITE IN YELLOW, SAME SITE IS ON THE PARCEL MAP ON THE RIGHT. THESE ARE THE EXISTING LAND USE ON THE LEFT AND YELLOW IS ON RURAL RESIDENTIAL AND THEN PROPOSED ON THE RIGHT AND THAT PURPLE COLOR IS INDUSTRIAL.

THIS IS THE ZONING MAP ON THE LEFT WE'VE GOT EXISTING AND PS 1 IN THE PALE PINK AND THEN THE PROPOSED CHANGE IN THE SORT OF LAVENDER COLOR. THIS IS THE SITE PLAN AND IT IS INCLUDED WITH THE ORDINANCE EXHIBIT B AND YOU CAN SEE THE PARCEL IS A L SHAPE THAT NARROW DOWN QUITE A BIT ALONG THE NECK BEFORE IT EXPANDS. 'S LET'S TALK FIRST ABOUT BOTH USE ON THE PROPERTY ARE THE USE EXISTING PEER-TO-PEER.

PERLEY THERE'S A LONG HISTORY O THE SITE BUT IT'S IQS THAT IS NOT CLEARLY DEFINED IN OUR CODE SO SO WE HAVE TWO CLOSE MATCHES.

WE HAVE HEAVY INDUSTRIAL ZONING HAS MANUFACTURING AND RECYCLING.

IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A MENTAL GYMNASTICS THAT IS CLOSE BECAUS WHAT THE SITE IS DOING IS TAKIN MATERIAL AND CHIPPING AND MULCHING. THE LAND CLEARING DEBRIS OFF-SITE DISPOSAL FACILITY, THA TERM IS DEFINED IN OUR CODE AND IT IS AS ROCKS AND SOIL AND THREES FOR DEVELOPING OPERATION FOR CONSTRUCTION PROJECT THAT GOES ON IN THE SECOND SENTENCE SENTENCE SAYS THAT THIS LAND CLEARING DEBRIS DOES NOT INCLUD YARD WASTE OR ANY MATTER FROM COMMERCIAL RESIDENTIAL LANDSCAP MAINTENANCE RIGHT AWAY SO ESSENTIALLY NOT THIS USE.

THE FACILITY IS SPECIFICALLY DEFINED AS YARD CUTTING FROM

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WE DO NOT HAVE ANY OF THOSE DEFINITIONS IN OUR CODE.

WE DON'T HAVE DEFINITIONS FOR ANY OF THOSE USES IN OUR CODE THAT INCLUDED ALL THE PERMITTED USE USES FOUND AND LIGHT INDUSTRIAL IA'S. AND ALL THE CONDITIONAL USES AN STRUCTURES THAT ARE ALLOWED IN THE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL ZONING DISTRICTS ON GOING TO GO BACK T THE FIRST ZONING DISTRICT AND GIVE YOU MORE OF AN IDEA OF WHA IS IN THEIR SO IT IS DESIGNED FOR LOCATIONS WHERE THERE IS PROXIMITY TO RESIDENTIAL AREAS, WHICH IS WELL SUITED TO THIS PARCEL BECAUSE THREE SIDES OF THE PROPERTY HAVE RESIDENTIAL ZONING AND USES SURROUNDING DAR ZONING SO IT INCLUDES LIGHT INDUSTRY WITH RELATED OFFICES THAT DO MANUFACTURING AND DISTRIBUTION OF SMALL UNIT PRODUCTS, CORPORATE OFFICES, COMMERCIAL RADIO AND MUNICATION POWERS, USES ALLOWED FOR PUBLIC ASSEMBLY IN PUBLIC DWELLING INTENDED MORE FOR SECURITY ON SITE.

IA ZONING DISTRICT WAS INTENDED FOR INDUSTRIAL LIGHT MANUFACTURING WHOLESALING SCALE SOME OF WHICH WOULD BE A PROPERTY SITE NOT SO MUCH. IT PERMITS ALL THE IS PIECES.

AND I WON'T READ THEM ALL TO YO BUT IT INCLUDES THINGS LIKE CABINET MAKING AND GRINDING SHOPS AND ENGINE SALE AND SERVIE, FABRICATIONS, BOTH YACHT REPAIRING, CANNING FACTORIES, WORKSHOPS AND THEN THE LIST CONTINUES FOR TEXTILE AND WEAVING, BUT UNITS FOR CONSTRUCTION AND REPAIR FACILITIES, DRY STORAGE, MARINA AND BOAT YARDS, THE COMMERCIAL RADIO, COMMUNICATION TOWERS, WAREHOUSES AND ASSOCIATED OFFICES. FOR CONDITIONAL USES IT ADDS TO THE S USES OPTIONS AND ALSO RV AND BOAT STORAGE.

'S WHEN YOU LOOK AT OUR ZONING CODE UNDER PID DISTRICT, THERE IS A SECTION ON CONDITIONS AND SPECIFIC USES AND IT SAYS THAT THE APPLICATION MAY REQUEST, AN THERE IS A LIST OF FOLLOWING CONDITIONAL USES IN ADDITION TO PIECES THAT ARE LISTED AND THOS ARE SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONAL USE SECTION UP THAT 3-FRIED.

ON THE FIRST THING ON THE LIST IS OFF-SITE DISPOSAL FACILITY.

AND THERE FOR STEP IT UP THE OPINION THAT IT IS INAPPROPRIAT FOR IT BE LISTED AS A PERMITTED USE OF THE STATEMENT BUT IT IS IDEALLY LISTED AS A CONDITIONAL USE.

SO IN PRIOR ACTION, THEY VOTED 6 -02 RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. IN APRIL 20, THEY VOTED 8-0

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THE CRITERIA FOR THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT AN RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF 26-0001 AND THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION ON 0002 IS THE WRITTEN STATEMENT B AMENDED TO LIMIT THE PERMITTED USES IN THE RECYCLING USE THAT' CURRENTLY ON THE SITE OR TO PERMIT THOSE USES THAT ARE LISTED UNDER IS AND TO CHANGE THE OFF-SITE DISPOSAL FACILITY FROM A PERMITTED USE TO A CONDITIONAL USE. THEY FIND THE CRITERIA FOR THE REZONING WITH THE CHANGES NOTED ABOVE.

>> ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF? >> THE IA THAT IS ADJACENT TO THAT, DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING ON IT?

>> NO. BACK IT IS JUST SHOWN THAT --

WAS OWNED THAT? >> ESPN I'M ALWAYS CURIOUS HOW WE ENDED UP WITH PS 1. BACK I'M ASSUMING THE PRINCIPAL USE WAS A CHURCH OR SCHOOL. SOMEONE HAD A PLAN AND IT DIDN'

MATERIALIZE. >> I JUST HAD A QUESTION.

SO IN THE PREVIOUS PRESENTATION WE SAW THE SURROUNDING AREA THA WAS NOTIFIED WE SAW A LIST OF THOSE NOTIFICATION USES AND THE PLACEMENT OF THE SIGNS FOR THE HEARING.

TO REHAB THAT? >> IT IS RIGHT UP NEAR THE BEGINNING AND I DON'T HAVE A LIST OF THE INDIVIDUALS BUT WE HAVE A MAP AND THE SIGNAGE. A GOOD.

>> AND IT IS NICE TO SEE THE INDIVIDUALS BECAUSE WE ARE ALL COVERED EVERYBODY HAS BEEN NOTIFIED OF YOUR I APPRECIATE IT . THANK YOU.

>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF STAFF? >> GENTLEMAN, MR. CHAIRMAN, GOO TO SEE ALL OF YOU. JOSH COCKRELL, 200 NORTH LAUREL STREET PREDICTS A PLEASURE TO B WITH YOU AND I THINK STAFF HAS BEEN OVERWHELMED WITH LOTS GOIN ON IN THIS COUNTY AND I APPRECIATE THIS OPPORTUNITY. THANK YOU FOR ALL THAT YOU ARE DOING. I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF A PAINTED PICTURE ABOUT COMPANY.

AND TELL YOU ABOUT HOW WE ENDED UP HERE AND WHAT WE ARE ASKING FOR TODAY FOR MORE THAN 20 YEAR THIS PROPERTY ITSELF HAS BEEN USED AS A BIOMASS PROCESSING FACILITIES SERVING THE PUBLIC AND PRIVATE SECTORS. GASTON PRE-DEBRIS CYCLING.

BY DIVERTING HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF TONS OF VEGETATIVE VOICE OR LANDFILLS DIVERTING DEBRIS AS A SUSTAINABLE PRODUCT LIKE MULCH, SOIL, AND BIOMASS FUELS.

IT EXTENDS THE LIFESPAN OF LANDFILLS AND WERE TALKING ABOU WHETHER IT IS TREAT TREMORS COMING TO YOUR HOUSE.

YOU TALKING ABOUT GASTON BEING ACCOUNTED TO FOR THESE LOCAL CITIES DURING STORM CLEANUP, FO EXAMPLE IN CLEANING UP AFTER OU STORMS AND WE HAVE TO TAKE IT SOMEWHERE.

WE'VE BEEN HERE OVER 20 YEARS DOING THIS FOR THE COUNTY.

WHETHER OR NOT YET THE FIRST PERMITTED YARD IN FLORIDA AT A GAINESVILLE SITE AND NOW THE LARGEST FOOTPRINT IN FLORIDA THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE STATE. SO THAT THEY ARE A BIG COMPONEN IN SAVING OUR TAXPAYERS DOLLARS. SO VEGETATIVE DEBRIS IS BROUGHT IN BY COMPANY TRUCKS. YOU'VE GOT PUBLIC AND PRIVATE THIS WILL. TO THE FACILITY, THE BIGGEST ROUNDUP FOR NEARBY BIOMASS MILL OR ITS LANDSCAPE MOLDS, YOU GO TO HOME DEPOT AND GET RID MULCH IT GETS DIED.

AND THAT IT IS TAKEN OFF-SITE. THE PLACE IS NOT OPEN FOR THE PUBLIC USE AND SO FORTH HERE IS JUST THE PROCESSING OF THAT.

SO IT IS INTERESTING TO PRESENT FOR YOU ACCORDING TO OUR DEFINITION BUT IT ALSO DOESN'T FIT THE OTHER DEFINITIONS SO TH

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THE POINT IS THAT HERE WE ARE. A GODDESS OR OTHERWISE AND THE RAPID RECOVERY FROM A LOCAL STAGES AND PROCESSING SITES.

WHAT GOT US HERE IS BACK IN THE LATE FALL, MY CLIENT DID THE RIGHT THING FOR YOU GUYS KNOW M PERSONALITY I WILL NOT ASK FOR PERMISSION. LEVEL ASK FOR FORGIVENESS LATER.

THEY WILL PUT ON IT TEN BY 20 SHED AND THEN THE COMPANY PULLE THE PERMIT AND YOU ARE NOT ZONE PROPERLY.

THEY START GETTING CEASE AND DESIST LETTERS BUT ARE GOING TO SHUT YOU DOWN 20 PLUS YEARS AND YOU STILL HAVE TO FACE THOSE COMING UP JUNE FORM AKAMAI THIN IT IS.

AND THEN I HAVE TO DEAL WITH THAT.

HERE WE ARE AND THIS HAS BEEN A FABRIC OF THIS COMMUNITY.

THAT ASKED ME TO COME IN TO TAK A AT THIS SO I WAS HERE IN JANUARY OR JAMES SAID, NO PROBLEM.

I WOULD THINK SO TOO BASED ON WHAT I SEE IT AS, THAT IS THE USE I FOUND THE APPLICATION AND WE WENT AHEAD AND DECIDED TO GE A DRC ENDURING THE ROUND OF QUESTIONS IT DID NOT MAKE ANY SENSE AND I SCOFFED AT A LOT OF IT AND DID NOT MAKE ANY SENSE AND ON GRAVEL 17 ACRES AND WE HAVE ONE EMPLOYEE IN THAT SET AND WERE NOT GOING 2-WE HAVE LIABILITY TO HIRE SOME PEOPLE.

THEY'RE GOING TO BE STUCK ON THIS ASPHALT PAD.

WE COMPLY. WILL GET IT DONE.

BUT IT GOT BROUGHT UP AND IT SHOULD BE IB.

WE APPLIED TO THE APPLICATION AND MADE IT TO OUR FIRST -- MADE IT TO THE FIRST MEETING AN WE OR ARE THERE AND IT LOOKS GREAT. WHAT YOU DOING NEXT TO RESIDENTIAL PI CAN'T DISAGREE WITH YOU.

IT'S ALSO THE USE OF AGRICULTURAL BECAUSE WERE IN TH LAND CLEARING DISPOSAL FACILITY. I THINK AGRICULTURE IS .1 MILES TO THE EAST OF THE. THEY WANT US TO GO THIS ROUTE.

IT MAKES SENSE. THEY DIDN'T LIKE THAT.

IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE FOR ME. I WOULD'VE GONE HEAVY INDUSTRIA NEXT DOOR TO RESIDENTIAL. SO WE WENT AND FILED THE PID.

THERE WAS A CHALLENGE THAT I FACE PICKS I DIDN'T WANT TO GO PID ORIGINALLY. A THOUGHT THAT IA WAS A WAY TO GO UP IT IS NOT INDUSTRIAL ZONING.

WE HAVE IA ADJACENT TO HIS RIGH TO THE WEST SO IN GOING THE PID ROUTE, WHAT I DID WAS I SUBMITTED THE PID INCLUDING THE SAME IA USES THAT WE WANTED IN THE SAME CONVENTIONAL ZONING.

WE WANT THE SAME USES AND RIGHT THAT OUR NEIGHBOR HAS IN DOING SO WE ALSO ADDRESS SOME OF THE COMPLICATIONS AND THERE'S SOME COMPLICATIONS IN THE ZONING ITSELF WHERE THE LAND USE CODE SAYS YOU CAN EITHER DO A WALL O X.

WE HAVE A MASONRY WALL RUN 17 ACRES AROUND THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE. DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE.

WE TALKED ABOUT THE FENCING AND DOING SOMETHING DIFFERENT INSTEAD. WE CAN'T MEET 75 FEET WHEN ALREADY HAVE 50 FEET AROUND THE ENTIRE PROPERTY AND WETLANDS TO THE NORTH. WE HAVE ONE RESIDENT THAT WE'VE NOT HAD KNEE CHALLENGE OR ISSUE WITH.

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THEIR HEAVILY REGULATED AUDITS MONTHLY SO WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY -- UNTIL THIS HAPPENED. THE STAFF RECOMMENDED PUTTING I A 6-FOOT FENCE. WE HAVE A 6-FOOT BERM.

WHERE YOU WANT THE FENCE TO BE WANTED ON THE PROPERTY LINE IN THE WOODS. HOW YOU GONNA SEE THAT BUFFER 5 RESIDENTIAL AREA. THAT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE BUT WE WANT BUSINESS IN THE COUNTY OR DO WE WANT TO ENCOURAGE THEM TO GO ELSEWHERE. WE ARE TO MAKE THEM COMPLIANT FOR THIS. TRYING TO COME UP WITH THAT COMPROMISE AND PROVIDING A SITE PLAN, PROVIDED THE SITE PLAN TO INCLUDE THREE BUILDINGS, 7500 SQUARE FEET AND IT WOULD HOUSE THE EQUIPMENT AND MACHINERY AND IT WOULD ALSO HOUSE OUR ABILITY DYING THE MULCH AND SO FORTH AN ALSO HIRE MORE PEOPLE TO EMPLOY.

THEIR HIGH WAGE JOBS THAT CONTINUE TO PROVIDE SUPPORT LOCAL ECONOMY AND SUCH. AND SOMETHING ELSE THAT I WANTE TO ADD TO YOU. REQUEST IS CONSISTENT WITH THE ADJACENT ZONING TELE- WEST BEAR WE ADD TO .1 MILES, PUT 15 MILE WEST OR TO THE EAST AND .1 MILE TO THE EAST.

.15 TO THE WEST OF US ON THE SAME SIDE OF THE ROAD.

SO IT COMES -- WE COME ASKING FOR YOUR BLESSIN AND THE USES I ADDED ARE ALL IA USES.

THERE IS NONE OTHER PEOPLE DON' CLASSIFY DOES FIND A SPECIAL CLASSIFICATION FOR US. I APPRECIATE DODI POINTING THAT OUT. THAT IS JUST ANOTHER LOOK AND ADD VALUE TO IT. THAT IS BAD IT OUT YOU TIMBER GIVEAWAY. AND THAT IS THE POEM THAT WE BRING IN. OBVIOUSLY IT IS A FUEL.

THERMAL CONVERSION AND SUCH, THESE ARE THINGS THAT WILL ALLO IN THE GOOD AS IS FOR BUT WE WERE LOOKING FOR YOUR BLESSING ON THIS AND ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.

HE RUNS THE PLANS THROUGHOUT TH REGION AND CAN ANSWER ANY

QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. >> MR. CHAIR.

I JUST HAVE ONE. ON THE PID PORTION, DO YOU HAVE THE DUPE WITH THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS AND IF YOU WANT DODI CAN PUT IT BACK UP SO YOU CAN SAY CAN YOU DO THAT.

I WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE OF THIS BEING A CONDITIONAL USE OF ALL THE USES OF IA ARE PERMITTED USES.

LIKE TO PIGEONHOLE US INTO A SINGLE USE AND LIVING US AS A LAND DEBRIS FACILITY IS PREPOSTEROUS AND I HAVE A QUESTION FOR DODI PICKING YOU JUST CLARIFY THAT THAT YOU WANTED TO AMEND THE LIMIT AND THE SIDE AND THE CURRENT USE IS ORDERED TO THE USES LISTED UNDE ISM WHICH IS A SELECTIVE ZONE.

AND THEN CHANGE. CAN YOU TALK ABOUT THAT RECOMMENDATION LITTLE BIT BECAUSE IT IS RIGHT NEXT DOOR T

THEM. >> IT IS MY TONY UNDERSTAND THA RATIONALE. WHEN YOU GET A PID OR A PCD, IT'S NOT JUST THE BOARD'S DESIR TO HAVE USES LIMITED TO WHAT'S GOING TO BE ON THE SITE AND I GET THE APPLICANT'S POINT OF VIEW,. WE WANT TO HAVE OPTIONS AND I'V ALSO HEARD FROM THE BOARD AND FROM YOU OVER THE YEARS THAT WE WANT TO NARROW THE LIST DOWN SO WE ARE TRYING TO FIND A WAY TO NARROW DOWN THE CURRENT USE, TH CLOSEST WE CAN COME REALLY IS RECYCLING AND IT REALLY ISN'T THAT EITHER OUR CODE IS A LITTL BIT SILENT ON THIS PARTICULAR USE OR THE IS ONES.

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LAUGHTER CAVEAT THAT USE -- SECTION ABUSES BRITTLE HAS TO B INDOORS. IT IS ONE OF THOSE THAT IS A LITTLE TOUGH TO FIT. I DO FEEL FOR GOING TO HAVE LAN CLEARING DEBRIS ON THEIR NEEDS TO BE A CONDITIONAL USE AND THA IS STANDARD THROUGHOUT OUR CODE BUT IF YOU FEEL LIKE IA AND SOM OF THOSE USES ARE -- THAN IT IS RIGHT BACK TO THEM.

AND SOME OF THOSE ARE OUTDOOR USES, WHICH THIS IS AN OUTDOORS USE. 'S THAT I DON'T HOW MANY OF THOSE GUYS WERE HERE BUT THIS WHOLE THING CAN YOU MIGHT HAVE BEEN THIS WHOLE THING CAME UP. WE WERE QUESTIONING WHAT THAT MEANT AND AT THE TIME, WHAT KIN OF THE AGREEMENT WAS IN THE OFF-SITE DISPOSAL WAS REALLY LIKE SOMEBODY'S SUBDIVISION AND YOU'VE GOT THE TEMPORARILY PUT THAT SOMEWHERE WORK AND BE DISPOSED OF COMPLETELY. THIS SOUNDS DIFFERENT TO ME THA

THAT. >> APRIL SHEPARD USE THAT IS THIS KIND OF USE. WE JUST DON'T HAVE A DEFINITION THAT'S LIKE WHEN YOU ARE AROUND THE OFF-SITE, I REMEMBER A WHOL DISCUSSION BEFORE YOU WERE HERE BECAUSE A POPPED UP EVERYWHERE AND PEOPLE WERE GETTING AFRAID THAT THEY WERE GOING TO GET PILES OF DEBRIS IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD NET THE KIND OF STUFF AND OUT OF NOPE WE EVER DID ANYTHING FORMALLY BUT THE UNDERSTANDING WAS WE NEED TO PU IT SOMEWHERE BUT THAT WE CAN GE RID OF IT. THAT'S WHAT I WANTED FOR

CLARIFICATION. >> YOU POINTED OUT SOMETHING.

I UNDERSTAND STAFF STATING THAT THE THOUGHT OF THE BOARD IS SOR OF LIMITING THE USE OF PID TO THAT SPECIFIC USE OR WHATNOT.

A COMMERCIAL PLAZA WITH NUMEROU USES AND WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IS COMING AND THERE. AS A WHOLE LIST OF USES THAT WILL BE APPROVED -- ACCRUED TODAY.

RESTING FOR THE SAME FREEDOMS AND THAT'S WHAT THE NEXT OR NEIGHBOR HAS OF THEIRS. CAN YOU CLARIFY FOR ME IF THEY DID A STRAIGHT IA SEWING, WHAT WERE THEY NOT BE ALLOWED TO DO THAT THEY WANT TO DO. I THINK THAT IS WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET TO BECAUSE IT IS IA NEXT DOOR.

>> BASICALLY WHAT THEY'RE DOING NOW ARE YOU ASKING CAN THEY DO THAT ON IA? I'M TRYING TO FIGURE IT OUT.

YOU'VE GOT IA NEXT DOOR AND I DON'T SEE IT BEYOND THIS PARCEL ESPECIALLY SINCE THEY SEEMED FINE WITH IT AND THOSE GUYS LIV OUT THERE, WE KNOW THIS HAS BEE GOING ON FOR SOME TIME.

I'M INCLINED TO REALLY SUPPORT THIS WHOLE REQUEST AND I'M JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT IT IS KIND OF CLEAR ON WHAT THE ASK I WHEN I TALKED ABOUT THE RATIONA OF REACHING THIS, AND I WANT TO GET YOUR INPUT ON THIS, SHE LOOKED AT IA AND THERE IS A PIECE OF SAID FABRICATION OF MATERIALS SO SHE USED AN OUTLIN TO GET US THE IA BECAUSE WE ARE YOU BUILD A HOUSE AND YOU PUT I THREES AND MULCH AROUND THE THREES, MAY BE THAT ZONING NEED TO BE EXTENDED TO INCLUDE MATERIALS OUT OF THE HOW YOU WANT TO WORK THAT BUT SHE FOUND IT CONNECTED THAT.

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>> THAT IS WHY WE STARTED WITH IA.

I THINK I'M DONE. I DON'T SEE ANY REASON HONESTLY I'M TRYING TO CLARIFY FOR FUTUR USE, I THINK.

>> THANK YOU. FIRST I NEEDED TO DISCLOSE THAT I RECEIVED A PHONE CALL FROM MR. COCKRELL WE HAD A CONVERSATION ON THE PHONE THAT WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT I DISCLOSE THAT WITH THAT BEING SAID I DIDN'T HEAR HOURS OF OPERATIONS BUT AT THE HOURS OF OPERATIONS ON THIS FACILITY.

>> IT IS 8-5, MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY.

>> ARE THERE ANY ACIVE CURATORS AS PART OF THIS PROCESS?

>> I THINK THAT ANSWERS MY QUESTION.

>> PART OF OUR DAC EARLY INSTEA OF MAP PACK MOVE WANTED TO SEE WHAT ISSUES MAY COME UP WE DIDN'T ASK WHETHER ANY PLANS.

THERE'S WETLANDS AROUND IN THE AREA AND SO FORTH.

I DON'T SEE ANY RESIDENTIAL GROWTH AND THEY HAVE NO PLANS EITHER SO I DON'T SEE ANYTHING FROM A RESIDENTIAL POINT IN THI

AREA. >> JUST TO FOLLOW-UP, YOU'RE REALLY THAT TRYING TO DO ANYTHING DIFFERENT THAN YOU ARE CURRENTLY DOING THERE EXPECT THAT IS RIGHT.

BY COMING TO YOU, BY COMING TO PID, LET'S PUT OUR EQUIPMENT IN ADVISABLE GO THIS ROUTE AND ASK FOR THIS AS WELL.

>> THANK YOU. >> SOME WOULD DEFINE THAT AS ASKING FOR PERMISSION. IT ALL STARTED BY SMALL BUILDIN BEING DROPPED THERE. IT WOULD'VE SAVED THEM LOT MORE MONEY. HERE WE ARE.

>> I HAVE ONE. THAT IS GOOD TO SEE YOU.

JUST A QUICK QUESTION. I WAS ASKED A SIMILAR QUESTION.

CAN YOU EXPLAIN MORE ABOUT WHAT THE THERMAL CONVERSION IS AND I HEAR GENERATING SOMETHING THAT COULD PRODUCE SOME KIND OF AFFECT WITH THE ENVIRONMENT AND I HEARD IA BEFORE OR DPP TIME KIND OF CONCERNED ABOUT THAT. JUST FROM A STANDPOINT BEFORE H SPEAKS, A PERMITTED USE, SILICEOUS PINK SURE WE ALL UNDERSTAND THAT. I AM MORE CONCERNED WITH THE BYPRODUCT THEN WHAT HAPPENS AFTERWARDS.

>> ON THE THERMAL CONVERSION YOU'RE LOOKING AT MORE ACCOMPLISHED SITE SO WE WILL CHIP UP MATERIAL THOUGH -- YOU GOTTA MOVE THE MATERIAL IN SO MANY DAYS AND USUALLY IT'S ABOUT SIX MONTHS. AND THE ORGANIC SPRAY, THAT'S

THE EXTENT OF IT. >> THERE IS NO OFF GASES OR

ANYTHING LIKE THAT. >> JUST NORMAL TEMPERATURE PROBES PICKED THAT WAS ONE THIN THAT WE NEEDED TO PUT WITH YOUR

DEPARTMENT. >> AT THE COLLECTION CENTER THA IS WHERE THEY TURN ALL THAT DEBRIS IN THERE.

THEY'VE GOT A BIG PILE. I TOO ALSO NEED TO DISCLOSE THA WE HAD A DISCUSSION ON THIS YESTERDAY.

MY FAVORITE ONE IS I'M REALLY TORN ON THIS.

ONE IS I AGREE WITH STAFF AND WHAT THEY ARE TRYING TO SAY AND FIRST OFF THE IA THAT YOU ARE NEXT TO HIS UNDEVELOPED LAND.

IT MIGHT BE A TURN TO FOR $5,00 AND THEN THE ISSUE AS FAR AS THAT IS MORE INTENSE AND AS FAR AS INDUSTRIAL GOES, YOU'RE

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WHEN THE RESIDENTIAL GETS MORE LOADED AND IS OUT THERE, THEN THAT COULD BE AN ISSUE WITH SOM OF THOSE AS OPPOSED TO IS IN TH LAST PIECE IS THE LAND CLEARING IS NOT A PERMITTED USE.

AND WE CAN'T TAKE IT OUT OF THA UNLESS WE TAKE SOME ACTION TO MOVE INTO A CATEGORY OF A PERMITTED USE AND IF WE DON'T D THAT, WE ARE OPENING THE ACCOUN YET FOR ALL KINDS OF PROBLEMS GOING DOWN THE ROAD AND SOME FROM THE LEGAL STANDPOINT.

THEY'RE CLAIMING YOU GAVE TO MR. COCKRELL, WHY CAN'T I HEAR IT YOU ARE AGREEABLE AND MOVING IT AS A CONDITION BUT I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IA BECAUSE IN PROXIMITY TO THE RESIDENTIAL PIECE, COUPLED WITH THE FACT THAT THE IA PIECES UNDEVELOPED LAND. UNLESS YOU PLANTED PLAN A DOING

SOMETHING WITH IT. >> MAY I ADDRESS YOUR CONCERNS?

>> YES. >> WHILE THE IA ISN'T DEVELOPED IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT TOMORROW O YEAR FROM NOW THAT IA CANNOT BE DEVELOPED INTO DOESN'T HAVE TO COME BEFORE THIS BOARD TO DO SO UNDER CURRENT REGULATIONS OF TH CODE ITSELF SO YOU MAY NEVER HEAR FROM THE IA BID COULD THEY COME BACK FOR REZONING? SURE. YOU MAY OR MAY NOT STILL BE HERE . WE CAN ONLY SPECULATE BUT AS OF TODAY WE HAVE THE RIGHTS AND PRIVILEGES TO DEVELOP THIS IA A NEEDED. YOUR CLEARING STATEMENT THAT YO MADE, GOING TO GO BACK TO WHAT STAFF DOES THEIR SILENT ON THE USE THAT WE ARE USING THE PELLA COMMISSIONERS BROUGHT UP THE SAME POINT, WE AREN'T LABELING OURSELVES AND LAND CLEARING DISPOSAL FACILITY. THIS IS WHAT STACK HAS THROWN U IN. THIS NOTHING ELSE WE CAN COME CLOSE TO PAPER NOT EVEN A LAND CLEARING DISPOSAL FACILITY BASE ON A TESTIMONY TODAY. SORT HAVE A HARD TIME EVEN ACCEPTING A CONDITION AND ONLY WILLIG TO DO SO AND I'M ABLE TO GIVE A LITTLE IN ORDER TO GET THE IA THAT WE REQUESTED TO GIV WITH. I WAS JUST TOLD BY STAFF THAT W HAVE TO PUT YOU THERE SO EVEN THEN WE ARE NOT EVEN THAT.

THIS CODE IS SILENT. THIS IS WHERE -- THIS HAS TO BE MADE THROUGH TO THE SIDE AND I LOOK AT COURTNEY AND THE ATTORNEY AS TO HOW THE ADDRESS IS -- AND I DON'T KNOW HOW OFTEN THES MATTERS COME FORTH WHEN THE COD IS SIGNED. THAT I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING BUT THE PROBLEM REMAINS, LIKE I SAID, IT IS BETWEEN A ROCK AND A HARD PLACE BECAUSE W HAVE SOMETHING THAT DESCRIBES WHAT YOU'RE DOING IDENTIFIED IN THE CODE.

ARE WE TRYING TO STRETCH THIS BALLOON OVER A 5-GALLON DRUM UP OIL. I DON'T KNOW.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE DOWN THE ROAD ISSUES ARE SHOULD WE APPROACH THIS FROM A STANDPOINT THAT WE NEED TO GO THROUGH PROCESS WE GOT OUR BASES COVERED .

WHAT KIND OF LIABILITY IS UP HERE.

>> [INDISCERNIBLE] >> SO OUR CODE DEFINITELY HAS SOME INCONSISTENCIES PROJECT GO WITH THE MOST SIMILAR VIEWS AND THE OTHER SIDE SAYS THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO SEE SCUMMY CAN'T DO IT. SO THE BEAUTY OF THE PID AND TH PUD IS YOU CAN CREATE A SONY DISTANCE.

SO THAT THE WAY THIS BOARD AND THE BOARD OF COUNTY MR. 'S HAS APPLIED THOSE IN DISTRICTS AS YOU HAVE REALLY USED IT TO CATE TO DEVELOPMENT. THAT IS ONE USE, NOT THE BROAD EXPANSE OF USE. IF YOU WANTED ALL THESE OTHER CHANCES, I ASKED WHATEVER. THAT'S ONE THING WE TALKED ABOU IS RECYCLING. YOU CAN CORRECT ME IF I AM WRON ON THAT. I THINK THAT IT WAS THE ORIGINA SUGGESTION, WHICH THAT WOULD BE VERY HAPPY.

OF THE BEAUTY OF THE PID WOULD BE THIS IS A UNIQUE USE AND IT' NOT WITHIN OUR CODE AND I WOULD THINK IT SHOULD BE DEFINED AS I

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>> NONE FROM ME. OKAY.

>> WE HAVEN'T HAD A PUBLIC HEARING YET.

>> I KNOW. >> THANK YOU.

THE ENEMY OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS.

WITH UNHAPPY BUDDY HERE EXCEPT ONE STAR.

>> HELENA ADDRESS ON FOUL. THIS ONE IS CONFUSING AND THE ANALOGY OF THE ROCK FROCK ROCK AND A HARD PLACE IS INTERESTING AND YOU ALL HAVE A LOT OF GOOD QUESTIONS ARE PART OF THE OPENING OURSELVES UP TO YOU AND TRYING TO COME HEARING ABOUT SOME OF THE COMMONS ABOUT GOING TO COURT OVER THIS AND GETTING RED FLAGGED OVER A SHATTER SOMETHING OF IT IS INTERESTING BECAUSE NOW WERE TRYING TO MAKE SOMETHING TO LET THIS FIT AND I IS COMPLICATED. AS I'M SITTING BACK JUST LISTENING, IT IS INTERESTING BU YET, YOU KNOW, DIFFICULT.

SO WE REALIZE AS RESIDENCE YOU ARE ALL PUT IN HARD SPACES SO COUNTY COMMISSIONERS AND SO WAS THE STAFF AND SOME OF THE BUSINESS OWNER SET UP IN HERE FOR 20 YEARS SO HATS OFF TO YOU ALL AND I WILL CONTINUE TO KEEP YOU IN MY PRAYERS BECAUSE YOU'R MAKING ALL THESE DECISIONS WE HAVE SEEN SO MANY TIMES BECAUSE IN EFFECT AND NOT QUITE KNOWING HOW ALL OF THAT WORK.

THANK YOU. >> THERE IS NOBODY ELSE CAN I FORECLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING FO THE DISCUSSION.

>> DOES LANGUAGE NEED TO BE CHANGED?

>> IT SOUNDS TO BE LIKE STEP HA ALREADY ADDRESSED THE CHANGE IN THE AMENDMENT THAT THEY OFFERED. AM I CORRECT IN THAT?

>> IF I CAN GET A PIECE OF IT OUT OF THE WAY, I'M GOING TO MOVE THE COMP PLAN PORTION OF THIS BECAUSE THAT IS FINE.

WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND T MOVE THE COMP PORTION OF THIS DISCUSSION. VOTERS IN FAVOR SAY BRIDGMAN.

OPPOSED, SAME SIGN. OKAY.

NOW BACK TO THE PUD SIDE. >> THE QUESTION OF REALLY I JUS WANT TO CONFIRM WITH STAFF MAYB YOU CAN READ THAT LINE FOR THE PUD. SO TO AMEND THE PERMITTED USE, TO RECYCLING USE CURTLY OPERATING, USES LISTED UNDER TH IRS AND TO CHANGE THAT THE PRE- OFF-SITE DISPOSAL FACILITY FROM A PERMITTED USE TO UP CONDITIONAL USE.

>> DOES THAT ADDRESS THE APPLICANT'S USE OF THE PROPERTY.

>> I WOULD SAY APPLICANT IS NOT TECHNICALLY LAND CLEARING -- SO I DON'T THINK IT WOULDN'T AFFECT WHETHER WITHIN THE LIST THE USES ARE NOT. IT WOULDN'T AFFECT HIS OPERATIO OF PUBLIC PROPERTY SO YOU CAN LEAVE IT OFF OR HAVE THEY ARE BUT HAVE IT AS A CONDITIONAL US OR CONSISTENT THROUGHOUT THE CODE. AND THEN THIS ONE IS TOUGH BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE A USE TO EASILY POINT TO, CERTAINLY NOT GOING TO NIACIN RIGHT NOW BECAUSE AS I SAY, THOSE ARE ALL INTERIOR USES. THE CLOSEST THING WE HAVE IS RECYCLING OR THE RECYCLING AND MANUFACTURING COMBINATION.

>> I GUESS MY QUESTION IS IS THIS THE BEST FIT AND LANGUAGE FOR THE SITUATION WE HAVE RIGHT NOW.

>> I THINK IT IS IN THE SENSE THAT IT IS A PID THAT YOU ARE CREATING YOUR OWN BUFFERS AND THIS SITE NEEDS THAT BECAUSE IT IS VERY NARROW TO TRIED TO DO THIS UNDER IA, WHICH REFLECT TH

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IT WAS LIKE A 75-FOOT REQUIRED BUFFER WHERE THAT PARCEL NARROW DOWN AND JUST SIMPLY PUT NOT FUNCTION.

THEY HAD THE LEAVES THAT AREA. NOW THEY HAVE A USABLE AREA WIT THE ROAD AND THE STACKING OF MATERIAL.

IF THE CODE IS SILENT AS TO THERE SPECIFIC USAGE.

YOU ARE PROFESSIONALS. AND I'M GOING TO REPORT THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS ON THE THUMB I APPRECIATE YOUR QUESTIONS POURED AND JUST CHANG IT TO THE USES THAT WE CURRENTL HAVE TODAY. AND THIS IS MORE COMPATIBLE.

SO WE NEED TO DEFINE EITHER ITS RECYCLING AS OF REUSE OR WE DEFINING IT AS FABRICATION OF BUILDING TRADE MATERIAL, WHICH WE HAVE LISTED ELSEWHERE IN THE CODE.

I KNOW YOU ARE DEALING WITH STAFF BUT IT SEEMS LIKE IA WOUL BE THE WAY TO GO WITH THIS. AND THIS IS THE ROUTE THAT WE JUST DID YESTERDAY. WE JUST WANT IT TO WORK SOMEHOW.

THAT IS WHAT WE'VE GOT TO FIGUR OUT.

AND I PUT A FAIR AMOUNT OF WEIGHT IN HERE.

IN THE LIP OUT THEIR FIRST TELL YOU THAT UNHAPPY PROBLEM WITH THIS FACILITY OF THE WAYS CURRENTLY OPERATING SO I THINK WE ARE IN THE POSITION OF TRYIN TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO PUSH THIS THROUGH. AND I THINK THE STAFF CONCERT I WHEN, WHETHER OR NOT SOME THE USES IN THE PUD ZONING -- IA ZONING. SO BETH AND I JUST CONSULTED IN REFERENCE TO PUT IT LISTED HERE AND PERMITTED THAT UNDER IS BUT I THINK I WOULD LIKE TO MEND THAT AND CHANGE THAT.

IT REALLY ISN'T RECYCLING PURPL GOING TO SUPPORT THE FABRICATIO AND BELT MATERIALS USED IN THE BUILDING TRADES.

IT IS IN OUR CODE AND INDUSTRIA DISTRICT.

AND REASONABLY FIT SAYS A SIMILAR USE AS A PRINCIPAL USE ON THE SITE. THAT IS REASONABLE.

>> IT IS AN IB NOW. >> IT IS AN IA.

>> MR. COCKRELL. >> I THINK WE JUST DO IA.

I APOLOGIZE, COMMISSIONERS. WE DID THIS IA AND FOLLOW JANUARY'S IA AND ADDRESSING THE SETBACKS THAT WERE BROUGHT OUT.

>> YOU'VE GOT TO UNDERSTAND, MR. COCKRELL, WE ARE IN THE BUSINESS RIGHT NOW OF CREATING. WHAT, I MEAN, BY THAT HAS BEEN ON HAVE ANYTHING TO MATCH YOUR FUNCTIONS AND OUR CODES PERVERT

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WE DO WHAT WE DO BEST AND WE WILL STAY OUT OF TROUBLE.

>> I UNDERSTAND, MR. CHAIRMAN. WE HAD A GOOD PLANNER HERE.

>> I UNDERSTAND. ON MY CLIENT SPENT LOTS OF MONE AND MRE MONEY -- I THINK THE CONSENSUS IS BIG GULP WITH A IA IF YOU CAN PUT

THAT IN AS A CONDITIONAL USE. >> AGAIN, IF THAT IS THE CASE, MR. CHAIRMAN, I STAND BEHIND MY ORIGINAL SUBMITTAL WHICH I HAVE BEFORE YOU WHICH IS ALL THE IA USES AS PERMITTED USES AND TO WHICH THAT USES ALSO SUBMITTED AS PERMITTED USE AND I STAND BEHIND MY CURRENT APPLICATION RIGHT NOW TODAY.

>> I'M OKAY WITH THAT BECAUSE I WOULD BE OKAY WITH IA WITH THE IA -- IA USES BUT WE GET BETTER BUFFERS. WE GET THOSE BIGGER BUFFERS.

WE ALSO ARE CONCERNED ABOUT RESIDENTIAL LAWS.

YOU CLICK AT THE PLAN I PROVIDE FEW.

WE ARE SURROUNDED BY WETLANDS. YOU CAN EVEN ACCESS THE BACK HALF. YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET OVER

THOSE WETLANDS. >> YOU NOT GOING TO GIVE WEALTH AND CREDITS. THEY ARE NOT EVEN HEARING IF THEY WERE THEY WOULD BE CONCERNED.

ARE YOU READY FOR A MOTION? >> I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT STAFF IS OKAY. BUT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IS STAFF OKAY WITH WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT.

>> IA IS THE MOST RESIDENTIAL OPTION HERE.

>> YES, BUT I PUT LIKE TO ASK THE APPLICANT ONE CLARIFYING QUESTION FOR THE LAND OF DEBRIS DISPOSAL, DO YOU WANT THAT IN

HERE. >> WHAT IS THE LIMIT OF TIME IN WHICH VEGETATIVE DEBRIS IS SET ON THE SITE.

THEY SAT THERE FOR THREE MONTHS AND THERE SIX MONTHS BECAUSE OF THIS DEPENDS ON HOW THE STORM SEASON IS.

DO WE NEED THAT. WE'VE GOT SOME SITTING IN PLACE PEERAGES LEAVE IT IN NOW. I JUST NEED SOMEONE TO COME OUT AND FLAG US. I PUT IT AS A PERMITTED USE BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE ARE BEIN LABELED AS.

>> I NEED A CLARIFICATION ON WHAT THAT IS RIGHT NOW.

WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE WE GET THA RATE PAID.

>> OUT THE STAFF AMENDED MOTION OR RECOMMENDATION GOING FORWARD IS THAT THE PERMITTED USES BEAT THOSE OF IA THAT THE LAND DEBRIS , LAND CLEARING DEBRIS OFF-SITE DISPOSAL FACILITY BE USED AND ADDED AS A CONDITIONAL USE TO THE PID.

>> TO WOULD NEED TO ADAM USES THAT THEY ARE CURRENTLY DOING.

>> NO, BECAUSE THE CONCEPT AND INCLUDES THE MATERIALS.

THAT IS COVERED UNDER THE CURRENT USE.

>> WHAT SHE JUST SAID, DID YOU GET THAT BACK.

>> WILL THIS BE REVISED BEFORE IT GOES TO THE BOARD?

>> MR. COCKRELL DOES NOT GO THROUGH THIS SCENARIO ALL OVER

AGAIN. >> YES, THE STATEMENT WILL BE REVISED. THE ORDINANCE.

>> OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? IS EVERYBODY HAPPY? OKAY. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

ANY OPPOSED, SAME SIGN. THANK YOU, MR. COCKRELL.

HAPPY MULCHING. [INDISCERNIBLE]

>> THE RED MULCH, I'M COLORBLIN BUT I'M BEING TOLD BY BIKE COLO PERSON THAT LIVES WITH ME, MY WIFE, I CAN'T PUT THAT AROUND THE HOUSE BECAUSE IT CONFLICTS WITH THE RED BRICK SO YOU'VE GO TO COME OUT AND MATCH IT WITH THE RED BRICK AND THEN I MIGHT

BE ABLE TO DO IT. >> THERE YOU GO.

[Public Comment]

[02:25:03]

>> THANK YOU SO MUCH. I'M GOING TO OPEN THE LAST PUBLIC HEARING AND DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY?

>> JUST ONE MORE TIME AGAIN, ADDRESS ON FOUL.

WHEN I HAD SPOKE EARLY ABOUT DOING THE CONTINUATION WASN'T T STOP THEM FROM NOT BEING ABLE T SPEAK COMPUTER WAS MORE OF YOU ALL CAN DENY THE CONTINUATION UNTIL THEY COME PREPARED AT THE DON'T HAVE TO KEEP DOING THIS. BUT OF THE THINGS THAT WHEN THESE RESIDENTS COME OUT, THEY KNOW THAT IT'S SUPPOSED BEYOND THE SCHEDULE AND THEY GET THE NOTICES IN AND THEY FIND OUT AT WHATEVER TIME THAT IT IS BEING PUSHED TO ANOTHER MEETING AND BEING PUSHED OUT SOME OF THESE PEOPLE HAVE TO TAKE TIME OFF TO COME TO THESE MEETINGS AND DO THE DIFFERENT THINGS AND THEN THEY DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE GOIN TO GET TO COME TO THE OTHER ONE AND ACTUALLY VOICE SO IT GETS S COMPLICATED AND SO WHEN THE PEOPLE -- WHEN THE BUSINESSES AREN'T READ AND DON'T HAVE ALL THEIR DUCKS IN A ROW, LETTING THEM DO IT PROPERLY IS VERY HELPFUL. AGAIN COME ON THIS PAST ONE, I KNOW THAT IS A BLESSING FOR THEM , DIFFICULT AND DIFFERENT THINGS. JUST REMINDER THAT WE'VE SEEN WHEN THEY DO GET THE ZONING FOR THE DIFFERENT HEAVY ONE, THE CA OR WHATNOT BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T WANT THE HEAVY INDUSTRIAL IN A DIFFERENT COMPANY WHEN THEY GET THE ENTITLEMENTS OF THAT IS WHA BECOME SO VALUABLE WHEN YOU'VE GOT A PIECE OF LAND THAT'S BEEN THERE FOR 20 YEARS, THEY NOT BUILD THINGS AND THEY HAVE THE ZONING, CAN THEY RESELL IT AND WHAT DOES THAT OPEN US UP DOING WE DO HAVE TO BE MINDFUL OF CAUSE AND EFFECT AND HOW THAT DOES WORK. AND I THINK THAT WAS IT.

THE PCD. THE PCD ON THE KITCHEN.

PLEASE BE MINDFUL WHEN WE HAVE THE CONDITIONAL USES, WHEN THE PCD COMES IN THERE, WE CAN'T LIMIT THOSE CONDITIONAL USES AN THEY DON'T HAVE TO GET THE PERMISSION AND SO YOU'VE GOT AN INDOOR THINK THAT THEY'RE WANTING TO DO, INDOORS IN GAMES AND THEY SENT THAT AND THEN YOU'VE GOT THE MEDICAL MARIJUAN AND THEN YOU'VE GOT THE ALCOHOL AND HE GOT THE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT THE BUSINESSES CAN COME IN THERE.

YOU WILL NOTE THE OCCUPANCY AND ALL BUT WHEN WE LIMIT THOSE CONDITIONAL USES, WE STOP A BUSINESS OR THAT POSSIBILITY OF IT HAPPENING AND SO IT IS BENEFICIAL IN THE PCD'S THANK

YOU. >> I FEEL I MUST RESPOND.

WITH RESPECT TO NOTIFYING THE PUBLIC, THE APPLICANT GOES THROUGH A LOT OF EFFORT TO PRESENT A PRODUCT THAT IS ACCEPTABLE NOT ONLY TO THE COUNTY BUT THE PUBLIC AND IF THEY DON'T HAVE THAT ACCEPTANCE LEVEL, THEY ARE SPENDING A LOT OF MONEY TO DO THIS, NOT JUST THE MONEY THAT THE COUNTY IS ASKING FOR BUT FOR THEIR PLANNERS, THEIR ATTORNYS AND THE LIST GOES ON AND ON, SO WE LIKE TO BE A LITTLE BIT LEANING TOWARDS THE APPLICANT THAN SOME OF THESE ISSUES BECAUSE PEOPLE THAT IS ACCEPTABLE TO THE PUBLI AS WELL AS TO THE COUNTY JUST COME IN HERE AND GET REJECTED AND HAVE TO GO OUT AND SPEND MORE MONEY TO ACCOMPLISH WHAT THEY WANT TO DO.

OUR RECOMMENDATION IS THEY FIND A BUDDY THAT HAS ACCESS TO COMPUTER SO THEY CAN BEAT THESE THE NIGHT BEFORE THEY CAME TO THE MEETING. WITH THAT, ANY OTHER COMMENTS O

THESE ITEMS? >> I JUST HAVE ONE COMMENT, IF COULD I WANT TO THANK STAFF PAI BID STAFF IS WORKING VERY HARD AND AS I UNDERSTAND IT, MAY BE UNDERSTAFFED LITTLE BIT AND THE ARE DOING AN EXCELLENT JOB IN ANSWERING QUESTIONS AND BEING PREPARED FOR THESE MEETINGS SO JUST WANT TO TAKE MEN AND LIFT STAFF UP FOR ALL THEIR HARD WORK .

>> I AGREE. APPLAUSE SOCIAL PLUS THAT

APPEARS. >> OKAY, I'M NEXT MEETING IS

JUNE 2, AM I RIGHT. >> WE WON'T DO THIS TO YOU EVER

AGAIN. >> I DON'T MIND.

FLEXIBILITY IS THE NAME OF

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.