Dec 10, 2019 BCC Agenda

[CALL TO ORDER]

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>> GOOD AFTERNOON. IF I COULD HAVE YOUR ATTENTION AND INVITE YOU TO RISE WITH US.

COMMISSIONER CELLA IS GOING TO GIVE THE INVOCATION THEN WE HAVE A SPECIAL GUEST FOR THE PLEDGE

OF ALLEGIANCE. >> GOOD AFTERNOON. IF YOU'D LIKE TO JOIN US AND BOW YOUR HEAD. DEAR WISE AND LOVING FATHER, THANK YOU FOR EVERY SEAT THAT HAS BEEN FILLED HERE TODAY, FOR REACH MIND AND HEART THAT FILLS THE PRESENCE OF THIS ROOM WE THANK YOU. ONLY YOU KNOW WHAT WE'RE SETTING OUT TO ACCOMPLISH TODAY. GRANT US THE WISDOM AND COURAGE TO KNOW AND DO WHAT IS RIGHT, GOOD AND TRUE. WE HAVE AN IDEA. WE HAVE VISION. WE HAVE TALENTS AND TIME TO WORK. HOWEVER ONLY YOU CAN SEE IN PERFECT DETAIL THE END OF EVERY BEGINNING. EVERY PROJECT, EVERY SEASON, EVERY LIFE. NOTHING IS EVER IN VAIN FOR EVEN MISTAKES AND MIS-STEPS ARE USED FOR GOOD. BLESS THIS MEETING TODAY AND ALL THOSE THAT ARE PRESENT AS WELL AS THOSE LIVES THAT WE WILL CONTINUE TO ENCOUNTER AFTERWARD. IN JESUS'S NAME. AMEN.

[A MOMENT IN HISTORY]

>> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: I'D LIKE TO CALL UP LIEUTENANT COLONEL STEIGELMAN. WHILE HE IS COMING UP I'LL INVITE YOU TO LISTEN TO A BIT ABOUT WHAT HIS CAREER WAS. HE IS A MARINE.

ONCE A MARINE, ALWAYS A MARINE, RIGHT? >> YES, MA'AM.

>> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: AND EARNED THE RANK OF LIEUTENANT COLONEL AFTER DA 28 YEARS OF SERVICE. HIS AWARDS INCLUDE A BRONZE STAR, MERITORIOUS MEDAL AND THE MARINE CORPS STAR. HE SERVED FOR TWO TOURS IN VIETNAM. THE FIRST TOUR WAS AS A PLATOON COMMANDER AND COMPANY COMMANDER OF COMPANY A, FIRST TANK BATTALION. THE SECOND TOUR HE WAS WITH COMPANY COMMANDER OF E COMPANY, MARINE SECURITY GUARD BATTALION IN SIGH SAIGON. LATER THIRD MARINE DIVISION IN OKINAWA, JAPAN. WE APPRECIATE YOUR SERVICE AND INVITE YOU TO LEAD US TODAY IN THE PLEDGE OF

ALLEGIANCE. >> THANK YOU, MA'AM.

[APPLAUSE] >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: IT IS OUR CUSTOM IF YOU'D LIKE TO MAKE

COMMENTS WE'D LOVE TO GIVE YOU THE FLOOR >> NO MA'AM YOU'VE GOT A BUSY

SCHEDULE. >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: THANK YOU AND WE APPRECIATE YOUR PRESENCE TODAY. AND THANK YOU TO YOUR WIFE THERE. WE APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE.

WE'LL NOW CALL OUR MEETING TO ORDER. AND JUST A FEW ITEMS OF REMEMBRANCE AS WE DO THAT. IF YOU BROUGHT YOUR CELL PHONE, YOU ARE WELCOME TO DO THAT BUT WE ASK THAT YOU TURN THE RINGER OFF SO THAT IT DOESN'T INTERRUPT THE MEETING. IF YOU RECEIVE A CALL, PLEASE GO IN THE HALLWAY TO TAKE THE CALL. IF YOU'D LIKE TO SPEAK TODAY WE INVITE YOU TO COMPLETE A CARD. IT LOOKS LIKE THIS AND THEY'RE OUT IN THE FOYER AND TURN IN IT AND SHE'LL GET IT TO ME AND I'LL CALL YOU UP. YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK. WE ASK YOU GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS BEFORE SPEAKING. AND IF YOU ARE IN THE BOARDROOM, WE DO NOT ALLOW HALTS IN THE BOARDROOM. SO IF YOU DECIDE TO PUT A HAT ON LATER, REFRAIN. THAT'S JUST A FEW HOUSEKEEPING RULES. LET THE RECORD SHOW THAT ALL FOUR COMMISSIONERS ARE PRESENT AND THE ABSENCE OF COMMISSIONER HE HENDRY. AND WE'LL FORGO THE MOMENT IN HISTORY TODAY UNLESS SOMEBODY ELSE PREPARED ONE? NOPE? OKAY. DID YOU WANT TO JUMP IN

>> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: OBVIOUSLY, THIS PAST SATURDAY CELEBRATED PEARL HARBOR OR CELEBRATED REMEMBERING PEARL HARBOR DAY. OBVIOUSLY NOT ONLY WAS AMERICA ATTACKED ON THAT DAY BUT IT WENT ON TO START WORLD WAR II SOON AFTER GERMANY DECLARED WAR ON THE UNITED STATES AND WE WERE FIGHTING IN TWO FRONTS. I KNOW MANY OF OUR GRANDFATHERS AND FAMILY MEMBERS SERVED IN THOSE CONFLICTS AND WARS AND RADICALLY CHANGED AMERICAN HISTORY. SO IT'S SOMETHING THAT I THINK IS IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER AND DECEMBER 7TH AS FDR SAY, A DATE

WHICH SHALL LIVE IN INFAMY. >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: THANK YOU. WE APPRECIATE YOU JUMPING IN THERE AND FILLING IN. WE'LL HAVE ARTWORK FROM TYNES AND LAKE ASBURY ELEMENT SCHOOLS.

[ARTWORK]

>> SPEAKER: FIRST WE HAVE LAKE ASBURY ELEMENTARY WHERE THE PRINCIPAL IS TIFFANY OUTMAN AND THE ART TEACHER IS CARRIE. THE FIRST PIECE OF ART IS BY FRANCISCO WHO IS IN

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RADIAL DESIGN PRINT IN WATER COLORS AND MARKER. NEXT WE HAVE ARTWORK FROM TYNES ELEMENTARY WHERE THE PRINCIPAL IS LAURA FOGERTY AND THE ART TEACHER IS MARY ANN. FIRST ONE IS LELA, WATER COLOR CRYSTALS. NEXT WE HAVE GIOVANNI MARTINI, MUDDY PIG. ALIYAH, COLOR WHEEL MICE.

ADELINE, BEEHIVE. AND OUR LAST PIECE IS BY COLLETTE JONES, FRUIT BOWL, STILL LIFE. THANK

YOU. >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: A LOT OF TALENT THERE. IF THE BOARD WILL JOIN ME WE'LL GO DOWN FRONT FOR SPECIAL RECOGNITIONS AND PRESENT

[SPECIAL STAFF RECOGNITION]

>> SPEAKER: THANK YOU. ROBERT, IF YOU WOULD JOIN US WITH YOUR WIFE. AND GARY IF YOU WOULD

COME ON UP. >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: I BET YOU ARE NOT USED TO APPLAUSE?

>> SPEAKER: NOT A LOT [LAUGHTER] IT'S MY PRIVILEGE TO INTRODUCE DEPUTY ROBERT DEWS. HE IS ONE OF OUR TWO ENVIRONMENTAL CRIMES INVESTIGATORS. OF COURSE HE IS A DEPUTY WITH CLAY COUNTY SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT. AND HE INVESTIGATES ENVIRONMENTAL CRIMES AND WORKS WITH US AT ENVIRONMENTAL SERVICES AT ROSEMARY HILL. SO, ROBERT IS IS LOOKING FORWARD TO SOME TIME AWAY FROM THE BADGE AND WORKING EVERY DAY. HE IS GOING TO BE RETIRING AFTER 25 YEARS OF SERVICE TO RESIDENTS HERE IN CLAY COUNTY. SPENT ABOUT HALF OF THAT TIME WITH ENVIRONMENTAL SERVICES. AND HE'S DONE A LOT AS FAR AS MANY INVESTIGATIONS AND BEEN INSTRUMENTAL IN MANY TONS OF REFUGE, ILLEGAL DUMPING AND SUCH CLEANED UP HERE IN CLAY COUNTY OVER THE YEARS. SO THAT MAKES A DIFFERENCE FOR ALL OF US AND OUR ENVIRONMENT. ROBERT ALSO IS VERY ACTIVE IN THE COMMUNITY. HE SERVED ON OUR HISTORICAL PRESERVATION BOARD.

IN FACT, THE CHAIR OF THAT BOARD. SO, HE'S GOT A NUMBER OF YEARS SERVICE IN THAT WHICH HE USES HIS TALENTS AND INTEREST IN HISTORY TO HELP BENEFIT THE COUNTY THERE. AND THEN RECENT ACCOMPLISHMENT, I GUESS, IS THE OPENING OF THE BLACK CREEK BIKE TRAIL WHICH ROBERT SPENT MANY HOURS WORKING ON THAT PROJECT IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE PARKS DEPARTMENT. SO, THAT'S ANOTHER AREA WHERE HIS EFFORTS ARE BENEFITTING THE COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE. AND SO IT'S JUST AN HONOR TO BE ABLE TO CONGRATULATE YOU THIS AFTERNOON ON YOUR PENDING RETIREMENT. AND WE DO

HAVE A LITTLE TOKEN OF APPRECIATION FOR YOU. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH. I

APPRECIATE THAT. >> SPEAKER: SO WE'RE GOING TO MISS YOU IN ENVIRONMENTAL

SERVICES AND WE WISH YOU THE BEST >> THANK YOU, MILT. APPRECIATE IT VERY MUCH. [APPLAUSE] THANK YOU.

>> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: NOW KELLY IS HERE WITH SOME LIVE PETS TODAY. COME ON UP. TELL

[PET ADOPTIONS]

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US ABOUT THIS CUTIE PIE. >> SPEAKER: HE IS JUST A BABY. AND WHEN I WENT TO PICK HIM UP FROM THE SHELTER HE RESIDES AT THE CLAY COUNTY ANIMAL SERVICES ON STATE ROAD 16, HIS PAPERWORK SAID HIS NAME WAS ROMEO. AND IF ANYBODY COULD SEE WHERE I WAS SITTING OVER THERE YOU WOULD SEE WHY WITHIN A FEW SECONDS. HE IS A REAL LOVE. HE LIKED BEING IN MY LAP. I GOT A LOT OF KISSES WHILE SITTING OVER THERE. SO, IF I'M MAKEUPLESS THAT'S WHY. HE IS ABOUT FIVE MONTHS OLD. HE IS A MALE. NEUTERED. HAS ALL HIS SHOTS. MICRO CHIPPED. JUST SEEMS TO BE AN ALL AROUND GREAT, GREAT PUPPY. I'VE GOT A PUPPY AT HOME ABOUT THE SAME AGE AND I COULD NEVER HAVE SAT THROUGH THIS MEETING AND HAVE MY DOG BE WELL BEHAVED LIKE THIS DOG WAS REALLY GOOD. HE WAS PRETTY GOOD IN THE CAR TOO. BUT THAT'S ROMEO AND HE NEEDS A NEW HOME. GOT A LOT OF NICE DOGS AT THE SHELTER BUT HE REALLY SEEMS TO BE SPECIAL. I WAS ENJOYING HIM IN MY LAP OVER THERE. VERY FRIENDLY [LAUGHTER] HE IS SUCH A NICE DOG. HE'S GOING TO BE A GOOD DOG FOR SOMEBODY. THANK YOU FOR LETTING HIM AND ME COME TODAY.

>> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH. ROMEO, WE HOPE YOU GET A HOME BEFORE YOU LEAVE TODAY. [APPLAUSE] ALL RIGHT. AND OUR RECORD IS WE HAVEN'T HAD A DOG YET THAT ATTENDED A MEETING THAT DIDN'T GET A HOME. SO, HELP US KEEP THAT RECORD. WE HAVE ONE MORE PRESENTATION THAT WE'LL GO AHEAD AND MAKE. IT IS A RESOLUTION.

[PROCLAMATIONS/RESOLUTIONS]

UP? >> COMMISSIONER CELLA: WE CAN HAVE RONNA SMITH AND THE CLAY COUNTY SPECIAL OLYMPIC TEAM. THOSE MEMBERS AND FAMILIES HERE CAN COME ON UP.

[APPLAUSE] >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: WE'VE GOT ROOM FOR EVERYBODY.

>> COMMISSIONER CELLA: GOT EVERYBODY? EXCELLENT. THANKS VERY MUCH FOR BEING HERE. I'M GOING TO READ A RESOLUTION THEN WE'LL MAKE A PRESENTATION. BUT WE APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE TODAY. WHEREAS THE MISSION OF SPECIAL POLITICS IS TO PROVIDE YEAR-ROUND SPORTS TRAINING AND COMPETITION IN A VARIETY OF OLYMPIC TIME SPORTS FOR CHILDREN AND ADULTS WITH INTELLECTUAL DISABILITIES GIVING THEM CONTINUING OPPORTUNITIES TO DEVELOP PHYSICAL FITNESS, DEMONSTRATE COURAGE AND PARTICIPATE IN SHARING OF GIFTS, SKILLS AND FRIENDSHIPS WITH THEIR FAMILIES, OTHER ATHLETES AND THE COMMUNITY. WHEREAS THROUGH THE POWER OF SPORTS PEOPLE WITH INTELLECTUAL DISABILITIES DISCOVER NEW STRENGTHS AND ABILITIES AND SKILLS AND SUCCESS. ATHLETES FIND JOY, CONFIDENCE AND FULFILLMENT ON THE PLAYING FIELD AND IN LIFE. THEY ALSO INSPIRE PEOPLE IN THEIR COMMUNITIES AND ELSEWHERE TO OPEN THEIR HEARTS TO A WIDE ERR WORLD OF HUMAN TA TALENTS. WHEREAS THE MISSION REMAINS AS VITAL TODAY AS WHEN FOUNDED IN 1968, SPECIAL OLYMPICS STRIVES TO CREATE A BETTER WORLD BY FOSTERING THE ACCEPTANCE AND INCLUSION OF ALL PEOPLE. WHEREAS THERE IS AS MANY AS 200 MILLION PEOPLE WITH INTELLECTUAL DISABILITIES AROUND THE WORLD AND THE GOAL OF THE SPECIAL OLYMPICS IS TO REACH OUT TO EVERY ONE OF THEM AND THEIR FAMILIES. AND WHEREAS 72 ATHLETES UNIFIED PARTNERS, COACHES AND VOLUNTEERS REPRESENTING CLAY COUNTY ATTENDED THE 2019 SPECIAL OLYMPICS FLORIDA STATE FALL CLASSIC WHERE ATHLETES AND PARTNERS PARTICIPATED IN FLAG FOOTBALL, GYMNASTICS, AND UNIFIED SOFTBALL EARNING 18 GOLD, 14 SILVER AND 6 BRONZE MEDALS FOR THEIR EFFORTS. [APPLAUSE] THAT IS QUITE A HAUL. NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED THE BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS CLAY COUNTY 234R5D HEREBY CONFIRMS BY ITS RACKSS TODAY SUPPORT FOR THE SPECIAL OLYMPICS AND RECOGNIZES THE ATHLETES HERE TODAY OFFERING CONGRATULATIONS FOR THEIR OUTSTANDING ACCOMPLISHMENTS. BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED THAT THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS CLAY COUNTY FLORIDA ENCOURAGES ALL CITIZENS TO SUPPORT THE SPECIAL OLYMPICS BY VOLUNTEERING, COACHING, DONATING AND ATTENDING LOCAL EVENTS TO SUPPORT THE ATHLETES. CAN I GET A MOTION? ALL IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY AYE. DULY ADOPTED BY THE BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS CLAY COUNTY FLORIDA THIS 10TH DAY OF DECEMBER 2019. HOW ABOUT ANOTHER BIG ROUND OF APPLAUSE FOR OUR SPECIAL OLYMPIANS.

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[APPLAUSE] >> SPEAKER: WE'D LIKE TO THANK YOU FOR INVITING US HERE. IT IS ALWAYS A PLEASURE TO HAVE OUR COUNTY WHICH WE RESIDE SHOW THAT THEY REALLY -- AND I KNOW THAT WE CARE, BUT SOME OF THESE INDIVIDUALS HAVE NEVER HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE AT A MEETING LIKE THIS AND TO SHOW THEIR SKILLS. AND, YOU KNOW, TO BE REPRESENTED. AND I KNOW IT IS A SPECIAL TIME IN THEIR LIVES THAT THEY'LL REMEMBER FROM THIS DAY FORWARD TO BE ABLE TO COME IN FRONT OF THE COUNTY AND JUST SHOW THEIR LIGHT. AND WE APPRECIATE IT BECAUSE WE HAVE SUPPORT AND MONETARY ALL THE TIME THAT WE'RE ALWAYS IN USE. LIKE HE SAID, WE NEED VOLUNTEERS ALL THE TIME. WE NEED PEOPLE IN THE STANDS. SO, CHECK OUR FACEBOOK PAGE, CHECK OUT OUR WEBSITE AND GET INVOLVED. WE APPRECIATE YOUR SUPPORT. THANK YOU.

[APPLAUSE] >> COMMISSIONER CELLA: LET'S GET YOU RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF EVERYBODY WITH THE PROCLAMATION AND EVERYBODY SURROUNDING YOU AND THEN WE CAN TAKE SOME PICTURES. COMMISSIONERS, YOU MIGHT WANT TO SNEAK OVER THERE.

ONCE AGAIN A BIG ROUND OF APPLAUSE FOR OUR SPECIAL OLYMPIANS FROM CLAY COUNTY.

[APPLAUSE] >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: IF EVERYBODY WILL FIND A SEAT WE'RE

GOING TO HAVE A PRESENTATION FROM MR. VAN ROYAL. THANK YOU. >> SPEAKER: NOBODY SHOULD HAVE

[PRESENTATIONS]

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IT WAS DONE MANY YEARS AGO. DR. ZELLNER CHAMPIONED THE EFFORT AND WAS SUCCESSFUL. SO, SHE WAS THE FIRST WOMAN. DOUGLAS ANDERSON HAS A COURT YARD NAMED AFTER MS. SAVAGE.

ONE OF THE FIRST CERTAINLY THE LARGEST EXHIBIT THE MUSEUM HAS EVER SENT OUT WAS THE ONE THAT JUST GOT SENT OUT THIS SPRING. IT WAS THE AUGUSTA SAVAGE EXHIBIT THAT WAS THERE FOR SIX MONTHS. DURING THAT SIX MONTHS, I THINK IT WAS EVERY FIFTH GRADER IN THE COUNTY WENT TO THE MUSEUM IN DUVAL COUNTY TO LEARN A LITTLE MORE ABOUT AUGUSTA SAVAGE. AN INCREDIBLE WOMAN FOUGHT JUST HERE BUT NATIONWIDE AND WORLDWIDE WITH AN INCREDIBLE HISTORY. ONE THAT WE CAN ALL BE VERY, VERY PROUD OF. I WOULD TELL YOU THAT THIS BUILDING THAT WE'RE NOW GOING TO TALK ABOUT IS NOT ONLY A MONUMENT AND MUSEUM TO HER BUT A REMINDER TO EVERY CHILD WHETHER THEY LIVE IN GREEN COVE SPRINGS OR CLAY COUNTY WHAT THE POSSIBILITIES ARE THAT THEY COULD BECOME. BECAUSE I CAN TELL YOU THIS. YOU CAN RIDE BY VANZANT PARK AND YOU HUM A FEW TUNES. YOU ALWAYS REMEMBER HIM.

YOU GO TO OTHER AREAS OF THE COUNTY AND THERE ARE THINGS THAT REMIND US OF THE BETTER PARTS OF OUR HISTORY. AND THIS HOME, THIS PLACE WAS SOMETHING THAT MS. SAVAGE, THAT SCHOOL WAS PART OF THE PROPERTY SHE GAVE FOR THE SCHOOL THERE WHEN IT WAS MANY, MANY YEARS AGO. SO I THINK THAT NOT ONLY IS THIS HISTORICAL, NOT ONLY WILL IT BRING IN PEOPLE FROM ALL AROUND THE AREA TO SEE THE MUSEUM, BUT I ALSO THINK IT WILL BE AN ECONOMIC DRIVER. BECAUSE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE ALL TALK ABOUT AS COMMISSIONERS OR CITY COUNCIL PEOPLE IS WHAT'S OUR RETURN ON INVE INVESTMENT. I DON'T KNOW IF MANY OF YOU HAVE DRIVEN DOWN MARTIN LUTHER KING LATELY AND SEEN THE NEW HOMES? THERE'S A SUBSTANTIAL NUMBER OF NEW HOMES BOWING BUILT THERE. AND THESE ARE NOT -- WHILE WE'VE GOT SOME WONDERFUL HABITAT FOR HUMANITY HOMES, THESE ARE HOMES THAT ARE 1,100 SQUARE FEET SELLING FOR $165,000. THAT'S $145 A SQUARE FOOT. I'D SELL MY HOUSE TODAY IF I COULD GET $145 A SQUARE FOOT. AND THIS WAS IN A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT FOR MANY YEARS SEEMED TO BE LEFT BEHIND. BUT THROUGH THE EFFORTS OF MANY PEOPLE, MANY OF YOU ALL INVOLVED IN THE CITY COUNCIL, THAT CHANGED WHEN IT BECAME PART OF THE COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE. SO THE FOOD PANTRY NOW IS ON THIS SITE. IN FACT, IF YOU WILL ALLOW ME, I'M GOING TO PASS OUT JUST A BRIEF -- THIS IS THE SITE THAT THE CITY WANTS TO PARTNER WITH YOU ALL ON AS FAR AS THE AUGUSTA SAVAGE CENTER. YOU SEE TO THE RIGHT THE BASEBALL FIELDS, LITTLE LEAGUE FIELD. AND THEN YOU SEE THE BUILDING THAT'S HARD TO READ. I COULDN'T GET IT ALL ON ONE SHEET. IN THE UPPER LEFT PART OF THE PROJECT IS WHERE THE FOOD PANTRY IS. IT'S WHERE HEAD START IS. IF WE'RE FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO GET A GRANT, IT'S GOING BE WHERE KID'S FIRST IS GOING TO BE LOCATED. AND WE'VE GOT TWO OTHER STATE AND LOCAL AGENCIES THAT HAVE EXPRESSED AN INTEREST IN BEING PART OF THAT. AT ONE TIME, THE WAY CLINIC WAS SITUATED THERE AS WELL. THE HOGANS, JIM, THOMAS HOGAN GYM IS HOME TO AN AFTERNOON PROGRAM FOR MAINLY LARGER KIDS, TEENAGERS AND THAT, ANYWHERE BETWEEN 35-45. AND IT'S SUPERVISED.

THEY COME EVERY DAY. THEY GET TO EXERCISE. THEY HAVE A PLACE TO MENTOR. WHEN THEY TALK ABOUT MENTORING THEY'RE IN THE BACK PART OF THAT FACILITY. THERE'S A PLAYGROUND THAT WE BUILT THREE YEARS AGO TO, AGAIN, ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO COME HERE. AND BECAUSE OF THE SERVICE COMMUNITY THE COMMUNITY WORK. SO THE LITTLE BUILDING ON THE LEFT IS THE SITE. THAT'S GOING TO BE THIS THE AUGUSTA SAVAGE MUSEUM AND MENTORING CENTER. WHEN I SAY THAT, IT'S NOT ONLY GOING TO

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IT WAS A SCHOOL IN I THINK IT WAS THE SARASOTA DISTRICT. I SAW THE INTERVIEW, THEY INTERVIEWED THE PRINCIPAL. A WONDERFUL LADY. SAID HOW DID YOU DO IT? AND SHE SAID WE REQUIRED OUR KIDS, ALL 375, WHATEVER THE NUMBER WAS, WE REQUIRED THEM TO DO SOMETHING AFTER SCHOOL. YOU HAD TO BE IN DANCE CLASS, INVOLVED IN SPORTS. YOU HAD TO DO SOMETHING AFTER SCHOOL. AND THEY WENT FROM AN F TO AN A. THIS BUILDING ALONG WITH THE REST OF THE COMPLEX NOT ONLY IS GOING TO SERVE A HIGH POINT FOR US FOR THE COMMUNITY SHOWING OFF AUGUSTA SAVAGE, NOT ONLY WILL IT CONTINUE TO HELP AID THE REDEVELOPMENT OF THIS PARTICULAR HISTORICAL NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT IT'S GOING TO HELP US WITH OUR EDUCATIONAL PROCESS AND ALLOW OTHER PEOPLE TO COME IN AND PARTNER WITH US AS WELL. HOPEFULLY WE'LL HAVE A FEW TRAVELING EXHIBITS FROM OTHER IMPORTANT PEOPLE IN THE COUNTY THAT WILL BE PART OF THIS MUSEUM FROM TIME TO TIME ALONG WITH THE PERMANENT EXHIBIT FOR AUGUSTA SAVAGE. WITH THAT, I'LL CLOSE MY PRESENTATION AND HOPE THAT WHILE IT'S BEEN IN THE BUDGET A FEW TIMES I HOPE THIS TIME WE CAN MOVE IT BECAUSE WE'RE READY TO GO. WE THINK THE BUILDING IS GOING TO COST US $600,000. WE'VE BUDGETED OUR MONEY AS YOU ALL HAVE IN YOUR CIP AND WE HOPE TO GET UNDERWAY QUICKLY. WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT

IT. >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: HOW MANY SQUARE FEET IS THE LIBRARY

SLASH EXHIBIT HALL? >> SPEAKER: I THINK IT'S RIGHT AT 2,000 SQUARE FEET? 2650.

>> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: THAT'S A GOOD SIZE. GOOD. >> SPEAKER: IT DOESN'T HAVE THE

DAY MENTIONS ON HERE. >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: THAT'S OKAY.

>> SPEAKER: IT IS A NICE SIZED BUILDING THAT WILL DO A LOT. IT'S FINISHED WELL. WE'VE SCALED IT DOWN. YOU KNOW, WE'VE WORKED WITH ROOFS, HAD IT ENGINEERED SO WE DON'T WASTE ANY SPACE OR WASTE ANY OPPORTUNITIES. CERTAINLY MONEY BEING IN THE CONSTRUCTION BUSINESS I'VE BEAT ON A LOT OF PEOPLE. BUT WE CERTAINLY THINK THAT IT'S ADEQUATE FOR WHAT WE WANT TO DO. AND THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT WILL COME THROUGH THERE, BOTH VISITING AND

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STUDYING, I THINK WILL BE GREAT. >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: WELL THAT NEIGHBORHOOD'S COME A LONG WAY. IT HAS A LOT TO DO WITH OWNERSHIP. AND THEY OWN THEIR COMMUNITY NOW AND ARE PROUD OF IT AND TAKE GOOD CARE OF IT. I SEE THIS AS A GREAT ADDITION, MYSELF. DOES THE BOARD HAVE ANY

QUESTIONS? COMMENTS? >> COMMISSIONER CELLA: JUST IN TERMS OF FLUSHING OUT THE SPECIFIC AREA. THE LIBRARY BUILDING, AUGUSTA SAVAGE BUILDING WITH THE MUSEUM IT'S GOING TO BE ON THE EXHIBITING PAD THAT'S THERE RIGHT? IN TERMS OF THE SIZE OF WHAT WAS THERE

BEFORE? >> SPEAKER: YES WHERE THE PAD WAS.

>> COMMISSIONER CELLA: IN SOME TERMS OF SOME OF OTHER BUILDINGS WHERE DO WE STAND.

>> SPEAKER: THANK YOU. WHAT A NICE OPPORTUNITY. YES, ONE OF THE THINGS -- DIRECTLY WHAT I WOULD TELL YOU SOUTH, TO THE BOTTOM OF THAT IS THE OLD AUDITORIUM. AND THE AUDITORIUM HAS A ROOF THAT KEEPS IT DRY. THAT WAS DONE SEVERAL YEARS AGO. THE FUTURE PLANS FOR THAT AND WE'VE HAD GRANTS IN THERE, IT'S BEEN FOR A COMMUNITY CENTER. WITH THE IDEA THAT IT WOULD BE A PLACE FOR MEETINGS, PEOPLE TO COME TOGETHER. IT'S GOT A STAGE. I'D LIKE TO THINK EVERYBODY NOW TALKS ABOUT RENOVATION AS OPPOSED TO NEW CONSTRUCTION. AND THAT'S ALWAYS A BIG DEAL. BUT THIS ONE I LIKE TO THINK COULD BE RENOVATED. IT DOES HAVE AN EXISTING STAGE WHICH WILL ALLOW FOR, AGAIN, AN EXPANSION OF THE ARTS, EXPANSION FOR AFTERNOON PROGRAMS, EXPANSION FOR SUMMER SCHOOL PROGRAMS IN THERE. THAT ONE IS THERE. THE FOOD PANTRY, THE ONE JUST TO THE BOTTOM OF THE PAGE IS A SITE WE'VE HELD FOR THE NEW FOOD PANTRY. AND THEY HAVE OVER SEVERAL YEARS TALKED ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF DOING THAT. IF YOU LOOK AT THE U-SHAPED BUILDING AROUND THE COURT YARD, WE KNOW THAT THE FOOD PANTRY EXISTS IN THE BOTTOM LEFT. HEAD START PROGRAM, EPISCOPAL FAMILY SERVICES IN THE UPPER LEFT. THOSE CLASSROOMS, THREE ACROSS THE TOP PART ARE THE ONES THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT TRYING TO RENOVATE THIS YEAR. KIDS FIRST AND THE SERVICES THAT WERE GIVEN THROUGH THE COUNTY AT THE BUILDING USED TO BE ON PALMETTO.

SO, CLAY BIFF I DON'T RECALL WILL HAVE -- BEHAVIORAL WILL HAVE AN OFFICE. WE'VE TOLD THEM THIS WOULD BE WONDERFUL FOR US SO WE'RE TRYING TO WORK THAT. AND THERE'S ALWAYS BEEN THE QUESTION OF THE WAY CLINIC. IF I GOT A CHANCE TO DRAW THE PLANS UP I'D PUT THE WAY CLINIC BACK IN THE LOWER HAFT WHERE THEY WERE AT ONE POINT AND TIME WITH A LITTLE BETTER PRESENCE AND LITTLE BETTER SITUATION. BECAUSE I THINK IF WE DO THAT, WE'VE GOT A PLACE THAT NOT ONLY PEOPLE CAN COME AND GET SERVICE BUT THEY CAN COME AND PLAY. THEY CAN COME AND LEARN. THEY CAN COME AND BE COMMUNITY. IT'S FUNNY, I TALKED TO THE PARK GROUP AND THEY SAID THEY'RE MOST IMPORTANT THING RIGHT NOW, I SAID YOU ARE NOT GOING TO BUILD A GOLF COURSE, YOU DON'T HAVE HUGE FANCY POOLS AT THE -- AT NOCATEE WHICH IS ONE OF THE TOP FIVE IN THE UNITED STATES. ONE OF THE BIGGEST ONES IN FLORIDA. I SAID HOW DO YOU DO IT? THEY SAID WE HAVE A FIVE ACRE FIELD.

SIMILAR TO WHAT WE DO AT SPRING. WE HAVE A FIVE ACRE FIELD WITH A BAND DOME AT THE BOTTOM. HE SAID ALL WE WANT TO DO IS CREATE A SENSE OF COMMUNITY. WE WANT PEOPLE TO COME TOGETHER. SO WE HELP SPONSOR THE SATURDAY MORNING SALES, VEGETABLE MARKETS, FOOD MARKETS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. WE DO FOOD TRUCKS LIKE WE DO AT SPRING PARK. THE TWO LARGEST FOOD TRUCK EVENTS IN NORTHEAST FLORIDA BY FAR PEOPLE WILL TELL YOU IS NOCATEE AND GREEN COVE SPRINGS. BUT THEY CREATE A SENSE OF COMMUNITY AND BRING THEM TOGETHER. IT'S ONE THING TO BRING THEM TOGETHER FOR A POOL AND GOLF COURSES, I HATE TO SAY BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT BROUGHT ME HERE, ARE POSSE. BUT THAT SENSE OF COMMUNITY SOMEWHERE DOES MORE FOR FOR THE POSITIVE FLOW, THE POSITIVE ENERGY AND THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OF AN AREA THAN ANYTHING ELSE. AND TO YOUR POINT, DIANE, YOU ARE EXACTLY RIGHT. THE COMMUNITY HAS EMBRACED THIS CENTER AND WE SEE NEW HOMES GOING UP THERE. WE SEE RENOVATIONS. WE SEE PEOPLE EAVE AUEN WITH HOMES THAT ARE OLDER THAT ARE TAKING CARE OF THEIR YARDS. GO TO BETH'S STREET AND LOOK AT THE CHRISTMAS LIGHT. ALL OF GREEN COVE SPRINGS, MAGNOLIA POINT WHEREVER, NOTHING LOOKS LIKE THAT STREET. IT'S AMAZING. AND SO IT'S THAT SENSE THAT WE'RE CREATING HERE AND THIS IS GOING

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PEOPLE HEAR MORE AND MORE ABOUT AUGUSTA SAVAGE AND WANT TO HEAR THAT STORY. WHEN THEY HEAR IT, THEY'LL BE INSPIRED. > COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: THANK YOU. DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WANTED TO ADD? WE APPRECIATE IT, VAN. WE APPRECIATE YOUR VISION AND LOOK FORWARD TO VISITING.

>> SPEAKER: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: OKAY. MR. AUTO. MR. AUTO. OKAY THE

[APPROVAL OF MINUTES]

BOARD WILL MOVE TO THE PROFESSIONAL OF MINUTES. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: MOVE FOR

APPROVAL. >> COMMISSIONER CELLA: SECOND. >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFIED BY AYE. THANK YOU WE'LL MOVE TO PUBLIC COMMENTS. IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK,

[PUBLIC COMMENTS]

HICKS. GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. HICKS. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: HOW ARE YOU? SO, REAL QUICK. GILL HICKS 1945 LITTLE RIVER DRIVE IN FLEMING ISLAND. LOCATED AT OLD HART ROAD AND LITTLE RIVER DRIVE AT THE 220 MESS THAT IT IS CURRENTLY. FIRST AND FOREMOST I WANT TO SAY THAT I'VE SPOKEN TO MIKE SEVERAL TIMES, WELL ONCE ON THE PHONE AND ONCE THROUGH TEXT, ABOUT OUR CONCERNS WITHIN OUR OWN COMMUNITY ABOUT WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN ONCE THE LIGT COMES UP. WE KNOW THE LIGHT IS COMING. AND I'M APPRECIATIVE. I THINK IT'S GOING TO SLOW DOWN ON THE TRAFFIC FROM THE OTHER END, GIVE YOU THE ABILITY TO GET OUT ON TO 220 WITHOUT TOO MUCH OF A SERVICE ISSUE. HOWEVER, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S KIND OF COME UP SINCE THE CHARTER SCHOOL HAS OPENED UP, SINCE WE'VE PAVED OLD HARBOR ROAD, WE'VE TURNED OUR COMMUNITY INTO THE RACEWAY AND THE EXIT RAMP FROM THE RACEWAY THE WAY IT COMES CURRENTLY NOW THAT WE -- BETWEEN MY CARS, BOTH MY VEHICLES BEING HIT IN MY OWN DRIVEWAY, MY MAILBOX BEING TAKEN OUT, THE STOP SIGN BEING RAN OVER, THE TRANSFORMER BEING HIT, THIS IS GOING TO GET WORSE AS THIS LIGHT COMES IN. UNTIL WE FIGURE OUT THE BLOCKAGE AND EVERYTHING FOR MAKING THE RIGHT-HAND TURN ON 220. THERE'S OTHER CONSEQUENCES THAT COME WITH IT, MIKE. AND YOU AND I SPOKE ABOUT THIS. IF WE TRY TO SLOW DOWN THE TRAFFIC COMING INTO OUR COMMUNITY IT ALSO CHARGES THE AFFECT OF HOW BUS ROUTES WILL RUN, HOW MAIL SERVICE WILL RUN. I'M COG NIGH NANT OF ALL THAT. BUT I THINK AT THE END OF THE DAY WHEN LOOKING AT THE STUDIES WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE'RE TAKING EVERYTHING INTO CONSIDERATION. I KNOW THAT WE'RE ONLY TALKING PROBABLY ABOUT TEN HOUSES AFFECTED IN OUR COMMUNITY, BUT IT'S ALSO TEN HOUSES THAT HAVE GRAND KIDS, CHILDREN OF THEIR OWN THAT COULD BE AFFECTED NOT ONLY THE ACCIDENTS THAT ARE HURTING AND INJURING PEOPLE ON 220 BUT WE'RE NOW KIND OF DIVERTING IT THROUGH OUR OWN COMMUNITY. AS YOU ALL KNOW, IT'S THE WORST BLIND SPOT IN THIS COUNTY. EVEN COMING OUT OF MY OWN COMMUNITY OUT OF MY DRIVEWAY. I DON'T GO OUT THAT WAY. BECAUSE OF THE SHEER SENSE EVERY TIME I PULL UP TO MAKE THAT RIGHT-HAND TURN I HAVE A BUS, A SEMI, A TRUCK OR WHATEVER THAT YOU CANNOT SEE. I DRIVE A HIGHLANDER WHICH IS EVEN HIGHER THAN MOST VEHICLES AND I STILL CAN'T SEE. I CAN ONLY IMAGINE WHAT THE CARS AT THE LOWER LEVEL. MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU GUYS AS THE COMMISSION WILL JUST MAKE SURE THAT LOOK AT THE STUDIES, UNDERSTAND WHAT WENT WRONG WHEN WE BUILT THE CHARTER SCHOOL AND AS YOU ARE STILL ADJUSTING IT, CORDOVA IS A MESS WHICH DRIVES EVERYBODY BACK TO THE ROAD STILL. I'M CONCERNED HOW THE LIGHT IS GOING TO WORK. I WANT IT. I THINK IT WILL SAVE LIVES AT THE END OF THE DAY BUT, AT THE SAME TIME, WE WANT TO SACRIFICE THE COMMUNITY AT THE EDGE OF THAT BECAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO TAKE CARE OF A BIGGER PICTURE BECAUSE THE BIGGER PICTURE WILL BE WITHIN THE COMMUNITY. BECAUSE OF THE TRAFFIC, THE SHEER TRAFFIC THAT WILL COME THROUGH. I HAVE MOMS IN MINI-VANS PEELING AROUND THE CORNER. WE ALMOST GOT HIT YESTERDAY PUTTING OUR CHRISTMAS LIGHTS UP BECAUSE WE STEPPED BACK TO TAKE A PICTURE AND PEOPLE JUST DON'T WANT TO WAIT. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE LOOK

AT EVERYTHING TO PROTECT OUR COMMUNITY. THAT'S ALL. >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: WE APPRECIATE YOU EXPRESSING YOUR CONCERN AND I'M SURE WE'LL BE TAKING CARE OF THAT. THANK YOU,

MR. HICKS. THE NEXT WOULD BE MR. JAMES AUTO. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: JAMES AUTO.

2904-2910 SEX AND BUDS CLAY COUNTY FLORIDA HOTELS. I SEE THE SHERIFF'S ON NUMBER 17. I'M HOPING HE'LL BE HEARING COMMENT ON THE SANCTUARY THING THAT'S GOING ON. THERE'S LESS GRANTS GOING TO BE ISSUED NEXT YEAR SO I HOPE YOU ARE GOING TO STICK TO THE QUIGLEY HOUSE AND THOSE TYPE OF ISSUES INSTEAD OF, LIKE, DOLLAR PARKS AND GIVING AWAY MONEY LIKE THAT. IF WE CAN

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THAT'S RIDICULOUS WHEN WE DON'T HAVE A SHELTER FOR OUR VETS AND OTHER HOMELESS PEOPLE IN THIS COMMUNITY. 80% OF THEM ARE LIKE PIT BULLS UP THERE, YOU KNOW, SO LET'S JUST EUTHANIZE THEM IF PEOPLE CAN'T TAKE CARE OF BREEDING THEIR ANIMALS RIGHT AND GETTING THE RIGHT ANIMALS.

DON'T GO OUT FOR THE PAGAN HOLIDAY AND GO AND BUY THEM A PET WHEN THEY CAN'T TAKE CARE OF IT. LET'S THINK AHEAD HERE. DON'T BE GETTING THINGS THAT ARE GOING TO HARM THE NEIGHBORS. PS TO LIVE IN A SAFE COMMUNITY ALSO. ROBERT, HE GAVE PRAISE TO THIS GUY, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT THE ILLEGAL DUMPING THAT HAPPENED AT ROSE MARY. WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT THE ILLEGAL DUMPINGS THAT OUT HERE WHERE THERE'S BUSINESS ON OUR AQUIFERS. IT'S SEEPING DOWN INTO OUR WATER RIGHT NOW. THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO BE DEALING WITH NOT A FAIRGROUNDS THAT'S TAKING AWAY JOBS AND, YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE -- YOU ARE SAYING YOU ARE GOING TO SUPPORT THE SMALL BUSINESS BUT THEN YOU ARE TAKING THEIR VENUES. SO I REALLY WISH YOU'D START LOOKING AT SOME OF THESE THINGS MORE SERIOUSLY. OCALA JUST LICENSED --

>> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: THANK YOU MR. AUTO. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: LICENSED GOLF

CARTS SO WHAT'S YOUR POSITION? >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER CARDS. IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK? SEEING NO ONE WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE CONSENT

[CONSENT AGENDA]

AGENDA. WHAT'S THE PLEASURE OF THE BOARD >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: MOVE FOR

APPROVAL. >> COMMISSIONER CELLA: SECOND. >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEMS 3-12. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY AYE. OPPOSED? THE MOTION CARRIES 4-0. WE'LL MOVE NOW TO OLD BUSINESS. ITEM NUMBER 13. MR. KNEE FELT. THIS IS THE

[13.  Project Bonding - Financing Overview from PFM Financial Advsiors LLC]

PROJECT BONDING FINANCE OVERVIEW FROM PFM FINANCIAL ADVISORS. >> SPEAKER: THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS. FINANCIAL ADVISOR TO THE COUNTY. WE'VE GOT A PRESENTATION HERE THAT WE HANDED OUT THAT WE'LL BRING UP. THE AGENDA WILL BE TO DISCUSS THE MARKET UPDATE.

DISCUSS THE BOND FUNDED PROJECTS BEING CONTEMPLATED ALONG WITH THE FINANCING PROCESS AND TIMELINE WE'RE PROJECTING. WE'LL WRAP UP SOME FINANCING SE SURVEY YOS, A BASE CASE AND COUPLE OF ALTERNATIVE CONSIDERATIONS, AND THEN HAVE TIME FOR QUESTIONS. PLEASE FEEL FREE TO STOP ME ALONG THE WAY WITH QUESTIONS. AS MANY FOLKS HAVE SEEN AND TRACKED, CAPITAL MARKETS HAVE TRENDED TO LOWER. RATES ARE LOWER NOW THAN A YEAR AGO AND THEY'VE BOUNCED AROUND THE LAST FIVE OR SIX MONTHS BUT IN GENERAL THE TRENDS HAVE BEEN TOWARDS THE LOWER RATES. YOU CAN SEE THE MAX 30 YEAR U.S. TREASURY IS CLOSE TO 5%. CURRENTLY WE'RE AT 2.27%. NEAR ALL-TIME LOWS FOR DEBT CAPITAL MARKET BORROWING. THIS PAGE IS FAIRLY BUSY BUT SHOW WHAT'S THE BOND FUNDED PROJECTS ARE FOR CRITICAL PROJECTS OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS AS WELL AS ADDITIONAL

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THEN WE WOULD COME BACK IN LAKE FEBRUARY OR EARLY MARCH TO GET DIRECTION TO SELL BONDS. THEN WE WOULD WORK WITH THE UNDERWRITER TO SELL BONDS IN LATE FEBRUARY OR EARLY MARCH AND CLOSE WITHIN A MONTH OF SELLING THE BONDS. PART OF THAT PROCESS WILL BE TO PUT FORTH LEGAL STRUCTURE AND THE ALM ORTIZATION PREFERENCE THAT WE'LL DISCUSS HERE. WE'LL WORK WITH STAFF TO LOOK AT SOME OF THE DIFFERENT CALL PROVISIONS AND COUPON AL TURN ACTIVES AND LOOK AT THE BEST OPTIONS FOR MEETING THE COUNTY'S OBJECTIVES. WE HAVE A BEST-CASE SCENARIO. THIS IS SOMETHING DISCUSSED IN THE PAST TO LOOK AT JUST A SINGLE ISSUANCE TO PROVIDE FUNDING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH ALL CRITICAL AND DEFICIENT PROJECTS. THAT'S ABOUT $130 MILLION OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS. THEN WE HAVE TWO ALTERNATIVES. ONE WOULD BE TO FINANCE FOUR YEARS OF THE CIP.

AND, TWO, TO FINANCE THREE YEARS. SO, KIND OF A RANGE OF FINANCING BETWEEN 78 AND $130 MILLION IN THE UPCOMING BOND TRANSACTION WITH FLEXIBILITY TO COME BACK TO FINANCE THE REMAINDER OF THE PROJECTS IN THE FIVE YEAR COPCN. COUPLE THAT REVOLVE AROUND THE INTEREST RATES. INTEREST RATES ARE LOW SO CAPTURING LOW INTEREST RATES IS A PRO.

BORROWING MORE MONEY WELL IN ADVANCE OF WHEN YOU PLAN ON SPENDING IT COULD BE A CON. SO IT'S BALANCING THOSE TWO THINGS. PAYING INTEREST ON BORROWED MONEY AND NOT BEING ABLE TO INVEST THOSE FUNDS AT THE BORROWING RATE. SO THE PROS AND CONS SUCH AS, YOU KNOW, FINANCING FLEXIBILITY YOU WOULD HAVE THE ABILITY TO ISSUE DEBT TWO YEARS TO FOUR YEARS FROM NOW WITH A FAZED APPROACH. WHERE WITH A SINGLE ISSUANCE YOU ARE STUCK WITH THE DECISION YOU MAKE AT THE FRONT END. THIS PICTURE HAS A LOT GOING ON. I KNOW WE HAD DISCUSSED 10 AND 15 YEAR HORIZONS WITH INTEREST RATES BEING FAIRLY COMPRESSED BETWEEN 10-20 YEARS. WE SEE THE 20 YEAR ALTERNATIVES. LOW COST ALTERNATIVE THAT GIVES YOU THE MOST FINANCING FLEXIBILITY. IT ALSO GIVES YOU THE HIGHEST DEBT SERVICE COVERAGE AND BEST CREDIT PICTURE. WITH A 20 YEAR FINANCING FOR $130 MILLION WE ANTICIPATE ABOUT $9 MILLION IN ANNUAL DEBT SERVICE WHICH LEAVES ABOUT $10.9 MILLION IN ANNUAL PAGO FROM THE SALES TAX. OLE TURN ACTIVE ONE -- ALTERNATIVE ONE IS TO FINANCE FOUR YEARS. SO THAT WOULD BE $410 MILLION. WITH A FOLLOW-UP TRANSACTION FOUR YEARS FROM NOW OF $26 MILLION. THERE'S SLIGHT SAVINGS JUST BECAUSE YOU HAVE A DEFERRED INTEREST PAYMENT ON THE FINAL YEAR. ALTERNATIVE 2 JUST EXTENDS THAT BY AN ADDITIONAL YEAR BY BORROWING $78 MILLION NOW AND COMING BACK AND ISSUING $52 MILLION THREE YEARS FROM NOW. I THINK WITH THAT I'M HAPPY TO GO BACK TO ANY PAGES YOU MIGHT HAVE QUESTIONS ON OR

ANSWER QUESTIONS IN GENERAL >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR

COMMENTS? COMMISSIONER BOLLA? >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: SO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS BEING ABLE TO FINISH OR AT LEAST FIX THE THREE DEFICIENT ROADS AND A BASKET OF ROADS THAT AREN'T YET

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>> SPEAKER: THAT'S CORRECT. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: WE'VE USED UP PROBABLY 50% OF OUR

BORROWING CAPABILITY AT THAT POINT. IS THAT PRETTY CLOSE. >> SPEAKER: YES, SIR.

>> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: IN FIVE YEARS WE'VE GOT THE FIRST SET OF ROADS DONE WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO WITH THE REST OF THIS? I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE AND IT WAS INDICATED THAT THERE MAY BE SOME GROWTH IN OUR FUTURE INCOME. BUT AT THIS POINT WE'RE BROKE FOR 20 YEARS. MY CONCERNS RUN ALONG THE LINES OF WHAT HAPPENS IF WE GET ANOTHER BIG HURRICANE AND WE HAVE TO BORROW MONEY TO GET THE COUNTY BACK ON ITS FEET? WE'VE USED UP, YOU KNOW, HALF OF OUR BORROWING CAPACITY. I STILL SEE A WHOLE LOT OF ROADS OUT HERE WHERE THERE IS NO REAL PLAN GOING FORWARD AFTER THIS OTHER THAN MAYBE WE'LL GET ENOUGH GROWTH IN THE COUNTY THAT THE SALES TAX WILL INCREASE AND WE'LL BE ABLE TO AFFORD TO BOND SOME MORE -- BORROW MORE MONEY TO FIX MORE OF THESE ROADS. SO, I'LL GET TO SOME OTHER THINGS LATER. THEN AS FAR AS THE INTEREST THAT GOES, IF WE BORROW $130 MILLION FOR TEN YEARS OUR TOTAL INTEREST IS GOING TO BE $15 MILLION AFTER THE TEN-YEAR PERIOD? I'M LOOKING AT THE MAXIMUM ANNUAL DEBT SERVICE.

>> SPEAKER: MAXIMUM ANNUAL DEBT SERVICE ON 20 YEAR FINANCING WOULD BE 8.9.

>> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: WHAT I AM LOOKING AT IS THE NET INTEREST. SO IT'S ABOUT $14 MILLION?

>> SPEAKER: THAT'S RIGHT. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: AND THAT'S $14 MILLION WE HAVE PAID IN INTEREST THAT WE CAN'T PUT INTO THE GROUND SO FAR. IF WE GO WITH THE 20-YEAR DEAL, WHICH IS THE ONE THAT PROBABLY MAKES THE MOST SENSE TO ME, WE'RE LOOKING AT A $43 MILLION HIT IN INTEREST AFTER 20 YEARS. WE COULD HAVE BUILT A BIG ROAD FOR THAT KIND OF MONEY. THE OPTION IS DO WE BUILD THESE THINGS RIGHT AWAY OR DO WE SPREAD IT OUT OVER ENOUGH TIME PERIOD TO MAYBE NOT HAVE TO BOND AS MUCH IN MY MIND? SO, WHAT I WAS LOOKING AT IS, AND I'LL TALK ABOUT THIS PROBABLY AT THE NEXT ISSUE HERE, BUT WE HAVE GOT THREE ROADS THAT ARE ACTUALLY IN A POSITION THAT THEY'RE OVER 100% UTILIZATION RIGHT NOW. THOSE ARE THE ONES WE REALLY NEED TO FIX. THE OTHER ROADS ARE, I THINK THEY'RE CALLED CRITICAL OR DEFICIENT. I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE WORD IS. BUT THEY'RE STILL -- THEY HAVEN'T HIT 100% CAPACITY YET. THEY PROBABLY WILL IN THE NEXT FIVE YEARS, BUT THAT GIVES US SOME TIME TO GET THERE AND ADDRESS

THOSE ROADS. SO THAT'S IT FOR ME FOR NOW. >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING:

COMMISSIONER CELLA DID YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS? COMM >> COMMISSI

>> COMMISSIONER: CELLA I UNDERSTAND THE THOUGHT PROCESS AND I HAVEN'T SEEN THE ABILITY FOR THE COUNTY TO GET WHERE WE NEED TO GO BY DOING IT ORGANICALLY. BECAUSE WE DON'T BRING IN ENOUGH REVENUE AT A PARTICULAR TIMEFRAME WHERE WE COULD EVEN PAY FOR EVEN IF YOU WANTED TO GO TO A SPECIFIC ROAD THAT WE HAVE ON BEYOND FIVE YEARS PLAN. IT WOULD TAKE US HOW MANY YEARS? FOUR YEARS JUST TO SAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO LET'S SAY DO THE COUNTY ROAD 218 TO

U.S. 301. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: I'VE GOT A SPREAD SHEET IF YOU WANT TO

ADDRESS IT NOW. >> COMMISSIONER CELLA: BUT THE POINT BEING, IF YOU DON'T DO IT NOW, AND WE WAIT FIVE YEARS ON THOSE ROADS THAT ARE CRITICAL, THEY'RE ALREADY GOING TO BE DEFICIENT BY THE TIME WE GET THERE. SO THE BOTTOM LINE IS THE THOUGHT IS TO LET'S, YOU KNOW, THE CRY BY CONSTITUENTS AND TAXPAYERS IS CAN'T YOU GET AHEAD OF THIS GROWTH AND THIS

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SHOULD BE THERE. >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: ANY FURTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONER

ROL ROLLINS? >> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: I DON'T GENERALLY LIKE TO BORROW OTHER THAN MY HOUSE MORTGAGE I'M DEBT FREE. SO, I DON'T LIKE TO BORROW. BUT WITH INTEREST RATES AS LOW ADD THEY ARE AND THE NEEDS I THINK SOME BONDING MAKES SENSE. SO, I DON'T HAVE A STRONG THOUGHT ON EXACTLY WHICH OF THE PROPOSALS, BUT I DO THINK

WE PROBABLY NEED TO BOND SOME TO GET SOME OF THESE KNOCKED OUT. >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: THANK YOU. I'LL SAY FOR MYSELF, I HEAR YOU COMMISSIONER BOLLA. WE ARE LOOKING AT, THESE ARE THE PROJECTS WE CAN HIT, THEY'RE CRITICAL AND DEFICIENT, HOW WHAT DO WE DO WITH THE OTHERS. BUT IF WE DON'T BORROW THE MONEY WHAT'S THE PLAN FOR ALL OF IT? DO YOU HAVE A PLAN?

>> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: YES. DO WE HAVE THE SLIDE, MR. PRICE? YOU DON'T HAVE THE SLIDE? OKAY.

>> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: SO YOU'VE GOT A WAY TO FUND ALL OF IT WITHOUT BORROWING?

>> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: I'VE GOT A WAY TO FUND THE FIRST THREE PROJECTS WHICH ARE THE DEFICIENT

ONES. >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: YOUR QUESTION WAS HOW DO WE PLAN TO

FUND EVERYTHING. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: ONCE WE GET THE FIRST THREE DONE WE CAN CONTINUE TO FUND ONE PROJECT A YEAR ROUGHLY. IT'S GOING TAKE ABOUT THREE YEARS LONGER TO GET IT DONE THIS WAY. HOWEVER, WE'LL SAVE THE $43 MILLION OF INTEREST THAT WE WOULD SPEND IF

WE WOULD GO AHEAD AND DO THE BONDING. >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: HAVE

YOU FACTORED IN INFLATION? >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: YES. >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: AT

WHAT RATE? >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: WE'VE GOT GROWTH OF THE SALES TAX AT ABOUT 2.5%, I THINK. AND WE EXPECT IT TO ACTUALLY BE AROUND 4. AS FAR AS THE ACTUAL COSTS OF THE PROJECTS GOING UP, THERE'S NO P THERE'S NO WAY WE CAN GUESS WHAT THAT'S GOING TO BE EVEN THE CONSULTANT HAS KEPT IT FLAT WITHOUT INFLATION. SO THE ANALYSIS IS SIMILAR TO WHAT THEY DID. YOU KNOW, IT DEPENDS ON WHAT DO YOU THINK THE ECONOMY IS GOING TO DO IN THE NEXT FIVE OR SIX YEARS. I MEAN, I SEE THINGS GOING DOWN RIGHT NOW. I THINK THE OPPORTUNITY TO BUILD -- I DON'T SEE MAJOR INFLATION FOR A WHILE. AND I SEE INTEREST RATES CONTINUING TO GO DOWN. I DON'T THINK, YOU KNOW, THEY CAN'T GET BELOW ZERO. OR MAYBE THEY CAN, I DON'T KNOW.

>> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: THEY HAVE IN EUROPE. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: YEAH.

>> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: EUROPE THEY MAKE YOU PAY FOR THE MONEY. BUT I'M JUST TRYING TO OFFER AN ALTERNATIVE. I THINK THERE IS AN ALTERNATIVE HERE IF WE REALLY TIGHTEN OUR BELTS ON SOME OF THE OTHER SPENDING WE COULD PROBABLY DO -- START A NEW PROJECT THIS YEAR, START A NEW PROJECT NEXT YEAR, AND A NEW PROJECT THE YEAR AFTER AND GET THOSE CONCEIVABLY DONE IN THREE-YEAR CHUNKS. AND

THAT'S -- >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: AND YOU WOULD HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO

DO 167 PLUS 130? >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: I HAVEN'T RUN IT OUT BEYOND FIVE YEARS, BUT ONCE YOU START ROLLING WITH ONE PROJECT A YEAR YOU CAN KEEP GOING FOREVER. I MEAN, WE'RE IN

BUSINESS FOREVER. WE'RE NOT -- >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: OUR PLAN TOSS DO THE FIRST DEFICIENT AND CRITICAL ROADS AND THEN WE JUST ROLL FORWARD DOING THE OTHERS ON A REGULAR BASIS.

>> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: RIGHT. BUT WITHOUT BORROWING THE MONEY. >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: I'M GOING TO HAVE YOU SIT DOWN FOR JUST A SECOND AND BRING UP MR. PRICE, OUR AUDITOR.

>> SPEAKER: LET'S BE VERY CLEAR, OKAY, YES YOU DON'T HAVE TO BORROW, BUT HOW LONG DO YOU WANT TO TAKE TO DO THESE PROJECTS? AND WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO GIVE UP IF YOU ARE GOING TO CONCENTRATE ON DOING THESE PROJECTS? AND THAT'S THE CRUX OF -- THAT'S ONE OF THE SOLID POINTS OF THIS

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WE DIDN'T DO THEM IN-HOUSE BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE STAFF THAT CAN REALLY ATTACK THESE THINGS AND STAY ON THE TIMELINE WITH ALL THE OTHER THINGS THAT WE EXPECT OF OUR STAFF. BUT THERE ARE WAYS TO ATTACK THIS AND TO GET IT DONE. BUT, YOU KNOW, IF THE BOARD DOES NOT WISH TO BORROW MONEY, CERTAINLY YOU CAN ACHIEVE THIS. BUT THE ISSUE IN FRONT OF THE BOARD IS HOW SOON DO YOU WANT TO DO THIS AND I THINK THE CHAIR MADE A VERY, VERY GOOD POINT. THE LONGER THIS TAKES, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT THREE DEFICIENT ROADS RIGHT NOW AND THREE CRITICAL ROADS. BY THE TIME YOU GET TO THE THREE CRITICAL ROADS THEY'RE GOING TO BE DEFICIENT ROADS ADD SOME OF THE NON-CRITICAL CRITICAL. THIS DOESN'T STANDSTILL WAITING FOR YOU TO CATCH UP. AND THAT'S WHY STAFF RECOMMENDATION TO THE BOARD FROM THE GET-GO HAS BEEN TO SERIOUSLY CONSIDER DOING A

BOND ISSUE TO GET THESE THINGS ADDRESSED. >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: THANK YOU, MIKE. YOU BROUGHT UP A POINT THAT I HAD THOUGHT ABOUT BUT HADN'T VERBALIZED. THAT'S THE COMPETING INTERESTS WITH ALL THE CAPITAL MONEY. SO THAT YOU'RE PUTTING A COMMITMENT UP FRONT IF YOU BORROW THE $130 AND SAY THIS WE'RE GOING DO. AND YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE COMPETITION WHETHER IT'S ANIMAL CARE AND CONTROL FACILITY, LIBRARIES, ALL THINGS WE NEED --

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>> SPEAKER: WITH ALL RESPECT IT'S MORE THAN JUST OUR NEEDS TOO. THE CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICERS HAVE CAPITAL NEEDS ON OUR SCHEDULE. THE SHERIFF IS GOING TO REPLACE 20% OF HIS VEHICLES OUT OF OUR CAPITAL BUDGET EVERY YEAR. AND SHOWS THE ARE PUBLIC SAFETY NEEDS THAT WE HAVE TO ADDRESS. WE HAVE DEVELOPER AGREEMENTS OUT THERE WHERE THEY'RE PROVIDING, YOU KNOW, FUNDING TO HELP DO CERTAIN PROJECTS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE MAY OR MAY NOT BE ABLE TO SQUEEZE IN UNDER THE DEDICATED TRANSPORTATION SCENARIO. SO I THINK TO GET YOU WHERE YOU NEED TO GO TO AMASS THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT YOU NEED, I'VE SAID IT BEFORE, AND I DIDN'T MEAN TO BE JOKING ABOUT IT BUT WITH INTEREST RATES THE WAY THEY ARE RIGHT NOW, I MEAN, MY RECOMMENDATION TO THE BOARD IS T SEIZE THE OPPORTUNITY AND HOLD ON TO THAT LOW INTEREST

RATE LIKE GRIM DEATH. >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE THAT. YOU SAID IT BETTER THAN I COULD. SO, DIRECTION FOR TONIGHT, WHAT ARE WE LOOKING FOR?

>> SPEAKER: I THINK WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR AS FAR AS DIRECTION AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG JEREMY IS YOUR THOUGHT ON THE FULL FUNDING VERSUS THE STA STAGGERED PLAN. THE AMOUNT YOU ARE LOOKING FOR, THE PROJECTS WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE THEM DEFINITELY SET, BUT WE WOULD LIKE SOME FEEL IF YOU ARE LOOKING TO, YOU KNOW -- AND I THINK THAT COMES WITH THE

AMOUNT, IF YOU ARE LOOKING TO DO ALL OF THEM. >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: OKAY.

YOU WANT TO KICK IT OFF ON WHICH ALTERNATIVE OR -- >> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: I'M CURIOUS WHAT OTHER COMMISSIONERS THINK. I DO THINK I UNDERSTAND THE CRITICAL NEEDS OF THE GROWING AREAS AND WE ALL ARE TEAM PLAYERS. BUT I THINK PUTTING AT LEAST $5 MILLION OR SOMETHING LIKE WE HAVE TOWARDS RESURFACING AND SOME OF THE OTHER NEEDS AS PART OF THIS IS IMPORTANT. BECAUSE THERE ARE CERTAIN PLACES IT'S A LOT MORE EXPENSIVE TO BUILD ROADS AND THERE'S A GROWING NEED FOR SURE. BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THERE AREN'T AREAS THAT STILL DESERVE

UPGRADES AND INFRASTRUCTURE. >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: TROY CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE SLIDE THAT HAS THE TWO ALTERNATIVES? I'M SORRY, THAT'S RIGHT, YOU PD [LAUGHTER] OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO THOSE ARE THE ALTERNATIVES. IF WE WERE TO STAGGER IT. MR. CELLA, WOULD

YOU LIKE TO GO? >> COMMISSIONER CELLA: THE OTHER THING I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT IS THAT WE DO HAVE IMPACT FEES COMING IN AND WE DO HAVE GAS TAXES COMING IN WHICH WILL ENHANCE OUR PAYBACK BECAUSE IT WON'T BE JUST DEPENDENT ON THE ONE CENT INFRASTRUCTURE SALES TAX. WE DON'T COUNT ON IT. ROADS WILL HAVE TO BE QUALIFIED IN TERMS OF WHERE THEY'RE USED IN TERMS OF INCREASED CAPACITY AND WHETHER THEY'RE IN IMPACT REGION ONE OR REGION TWO. BUT, YOU KNOW, THERE IS LITERALLY $3 MILLION HERE THAT COMES IN FROM THE GAS TAX. THAT SECOND FIVE CENTS THAT WE ADDED THAT CAN BE UTILIZED BY TRANSFERRING IT TO, YOU KNOW, THE CIP AND

BEING ABLE TO PAY THE BOND. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: PLUS ANOTHER 2 TO $3 MILLION FROM THE

MUNICIPALITY STUFF WE HAVEN'T REALIZED YET EITHER. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: I THINK THEY INDICATED THEY TOOK THAT INTO CONSIDERATION. I'M NOT SURE. THAT'S A QUESTION I ASKED WHEN WE MET PRIOR TO THIS IN TERMS OF WHETHER THAT 19 THEY'RE COUNTING ON. SO, THERE IS ADDITIONAL MONEYS. I'D LIKE TO GO BACK BEFORE I GET TO THE ALTERNATIVES HERE AND ADDRESS MR. BOLLA'S -- I APPLAUD THE FACT HE WENT AND LOOKED AT THAT. BUT AS I EVEN JUST DO SOME SIMPLE MATH HERE AND I DON'T HAVE A CPA, JUST SIMPLE PUBLIC SCHOOL MATH GUY, BUT CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG. WE CAN'T EVEN START A PROJECT IN TERMS OF BIDDING OR GETTING IT ON THE BOOKS UNLESS WE HAVE THE FULL AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT WE NEED RIGHT? SO, IN OTHER WORDS WE WERE GOING TO START A $36 MILLION ROAD PROJECT, WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING ON THAT ROAD

PROJECT UNTIL WE HAVE THE $36 MILLION; IS THAT CORRECT? >> WELL YOU COULD START THE

ENGINEERING AND THEN YOU WOULD BE STUCK. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: SO EVEN LET'S GIVE US THE THREE YEARS. FOR EXAMPLE, THE SANDRIDGE EXPANSION. THAT'S 12, 12, 12.

THAT'S $36 MILLION. EVEN IF WE SAVE 12 MILLION, 12 MILLION, 12 MILLION, JUST BEAR WITH ME, THEN WE GO ENGINEERING AND RIGHT-OF-WAY AND BUILD. SO, IT IS A SIX-YEAR PROCESS. YEAR TWO WE START THE 315 AND 209. THAT'S $27 MILLION. SO WE SAVE THAT 3 YEARS, 9 MILLION, 9 MILLION, 9 MILLION. THEN WE GO TO ENGINEERING RIGHT AWAY AND BUILD. LET'S DO THE COUNTY ROAD 218. YOU KNOW, THE CAMPINESS PINE TO COSMO. WE DON'T EVEN GET TO THAT UNTIL THE THIRD

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>> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: I GUARANTEE YOU AS SOON AS YOU BUILD THOSE ROADS, WE PUT IN

ANOTHER 5,000 UNITS, THEY'RE GOING TO FILL UP, RIGHT. >> COMMISSIONER CELLA: ALL OF

THEM ARE GOING TO FILL UP. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: SO WE'RE NEVER GOING TO GET AHEAD TO THE POINT YOU ARE TRYING TO GET TO IN MY LIFETIME. SO, ALL I AM SAYING IS THE STATEMENT THAT WE

CAN'T DO IT ANY OTHER WAY THAN BOND IS INCORRECT. >> COMMISSIONER CELLA: I DIDN'T SAY THAT. I SAID I CAN'T SEE HOW WE CAN DO IT ANY OTHER WAY. WHEN WE ACTUALLY PUT IN THE BONDING I EVEN SAID AT THAT TIME IF YOU CAN SHOW ME ANOTHER WAY THAT MAKES SENSE SO WE CAN

GET -- >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: I WAS WAITING FOR SOMEBODY TO DO THE ANALYSIS. WE NEVER GOT IT AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS COMPLAINING ABOUT BEFORE. WE FLUSHED THE BONDING CONCEPT WITHOUT LOOKING AT TRYING TO COME UP WITH A PLAN TO SEE WHAT IT WOULD REALLY TAKE. I DON'T LIKE THIS. I MEAN, I'M NOT SAYING IT'S A DO OR DIE DEAL. ALL I'M SAYING IS WE CAN GET THERE. IT'S JUST GOING TO TAKE LONGER AND WE DON'T HAVE TO FINANCE IT. IF WE WANT TO DO THAT. THE REAL PROBLEM HERE IS PREVIOUS BOARDS HAVEN'T SPENT THE KIND OF MONEY ON OUR TRANSPORTATION INFRASTRUCTURE THAT NEEDED TO BE SPENT. SO, HERE WE ARE HOLDING THE BAG ON COMING UP WITH A WAY TO FIX THIS. BONDING THE MONEY IS GREAT EXCEPT WE'RE ONLY GOING TO DO LIKE A DROP IN THE BUCKET COMPARED TO WHAT WE REALLY NEED TO DO. IS THIS GOING TO SLOW GROWTH? BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT ROAD STRUCTURE? WELL MAYBE. IS THAT SO BAD? AS WE WAIT TO BUILD UP TO A POINT WHERE WE CAN GET TO WHERE WE NEED TO BE WHICH WE PROBABLY WILL NEVER GET TO. YOU KNOW, I HEAR YOU. I'D LIKE TO HAVE THIS STUFF TOMORROW. BUT I DON'T DRIVE A NEW CAR AND I DON'T HAVE A NEW HOUSE EITHER YOU KNOW. AND IT WOULD MEAN IF WE DID SOMETHING LIKE THIS WE'D HAVE TO TAKE SOME REAL SERIOUS LOOKS AT WHAT WE WANTED TO BUILD YOU

KNOW. IS A $12 MILLION ANIMAL CONTROL FACILITY IN OUR FUTURE? >> COMMISSIONER CELLA: IF WE GET

A GRANT IT IS. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: DO WE GO AHEAD AND DO THAT BECAUSE WE'RE ABLE TO BORROW THIS MONEY AND HAVE IT COST 12 MILLION PLUS $45 MILLION FOR THE INTEREST BECAUSE WE DID IT THAT WAY? I'M JUST TRYING TO BRING STUFF UP THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT. I UNDERSTAND COMMISSIONER HUTCHINGS ISSUE ABOUT MAKING A COMMITMENT AND GETTING THE JOB DONE. FOR ME, THAT'S THE SINGLE MOST RELEVANT ISSUE HERE. AT LEAST WE'LL HAVE A PLAN. WE'LL BE COMMITTED ON THE PLAN. AND MAYBE WE'LL BE ABLE TO GET SOME OF THESE DONE. BUT I DON'T BELIEVE AFTER WE BUILD THIS FIVE-YEAR PLAN FORWARD, THESE ROADS ARE GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW, PERFECTLY DRIVABLE. LET ME PUT IT THAT WAY. THEY'RE STILL GOING TO BE JAMMED UP. BECAUSE AS SOON AS WE BUILD MORE ROADS THEY'RE GOING TO BUILD MORE HOUSES TO PUT PEOPLE ON THOSE

ROADS. AND WE'RE NEVER EVER GOING TO CATCH UP. >> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: SO DO YOU MIND IF I THROUGH THE CHAIR, COMMISSIONER BOLLA. IF YOU HAD THE MAGIC WAND AND WERE THE ONLY COMMISSIONER DECIDING ON THIS WHAT WOULD YOU DO? SAY NO BONDING? AND HOW WOULD YOU SLOW

GROWTH? >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: I WOULD PROBABLY SLOW GROWTH BY NOT BUILDING AS AGGRESSIVELY AS MAYBE ALL OF THESE PROJECTS. I WOULD ADDRESS THE CRITICAL PROJECTS, THE ONES WHERE WE'RE ZE EFFICIENT -- DEFICIENT AND THEN TIME THE NEXT BATCH SO THAT WE HOPEFULLY COULD ADDRESS THE NEXT SET. BECAUSE WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IS THOSE ONES THAT ARE AT 85 TO 90% CAPACITY, THEY'RE GOING TO FILL UP AS SOON AS WE BUILD OUT SOME OF THESE OTHER

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ARE GOING TO HIT US. >> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: ARE THERE ANY OF THESE SCENARIOS YOU

LIKE IN TERMS OF BONDING? >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: I WOULD TEND TO GO WITH WHAT OUR PROFESSIONAL PEOPLE -- I REALLY TRUST MR. PRICE'S OPINION. HE'S NEVER STEERED ME WRONG. I DON'T ALWAYS AGREE WITH HIM, BUT I THINK, IN THIS CASE, WE BORROW AS MUCH AS WE CAN FOR AS LONG AS WE CAN. I MEAN, WE'RE STILL GOING TO BE IN A JAM UP. THIS IS NOT GOING TO FIX EVERYTHING.

>> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: I'M JUST TRYING -- BECAUSE THERE'S SO MANY DIFFERENT ISSUES.

THERE'S GETTING THE MONEY THEN HOW WE SPEND IT, RIGHT, OBVIOUSLY.

>> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: I COULD BE PERSUADED TO WAIT. I MEAN, I INTERVIEWED THREE COUNTY MANAGER CANDIDATES WHO HAD DONE THE JOB FOR 20 YEARS. EVERY ONE OF THEM -- THEIR MOST CROWNING ACHIEVEMENT IN THEIR CAREER WAS THEY PAID OFF THE COUNTY DEBT. AND HERE WE'VE JUST PAID OURS OFF LAST YEAR AND WE'RE RUSHING TO GET BACK INTO THIS THING. I MEAN, I AGREE SOMETIMES YOU GOT TO BORROW MONEY, BUT I'M TRYING TO JUST FLOAT AN ALTERNATE HERE. THERE IS ANOTHER SIDE TO THIS THAT WE COULD GO DOWN. LIKE I SAID, I'M TORN. I WAS AGAINST THIS 100% WHEN IT STARTED. THE MORE I'VE LOOKED AT THE FINANCING AND THE NUMBERS, I SEE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE REALLY BEHIND THE EIGHT BALL ON THIS STUFF. I KIND OF LIKE YOUR APPROACH THAT MAYBE WE CAN GO FOR A SMALLER AMOUNT. BUT, AT THE SAME TIME, I'M LISTENING TO THE AUDITOR WHO IS TELLING ME THAT OUR BEST FINANCIAL GIG IS TO JUST GET AS MUCH AS WE CAN WHEN WE CAN GET IT. I UNDERSTAND COMMISSIONER HUTCHINGS ARGUMENT THAT WE NEED TO DRIVE A STAKE IN THE GROUND AND GO WITH THIS THING. BUT IT ALSO LIMITS THE ABILITY OF FUTURE COMMISSIONS TO CHANGE. I MEAN, WHAT IF ONE OF THESE DEVELOPMENTS DOESN'T HAPPEN AND WE DON'T GET THE BULGE IN THE TRAFFIC WE THINK WE'RE GOING GET IN THE RIGHT PLACE. THE ONES THAT ARE DEFICIENT NOW WE COULD -- CERTAINLY THEY'RE GOOD. THE ONES ON THE BOTTOM OF THIS LIST, WE DON'T KNOW THOSE ARE THE ONES THEY'RE GOING TO DEVELOP OUT. I MEAN, YOU KNOW --

>> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: SOUNDS LIKE MAYBE THE FAZED APPROACH IS WHAT YOU FAVOR.

>> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: I LIKE THAT TOO. BUT I DON'T HAVE A CRYSTAL BALL. THE STUFF I NEED TELLS ME THERE'S GOING TO BE A RECESSION IN THE NEXT YEAR OR TWO. MR. PRICE IS TELLING ME BECAUSE OF THE BOND CURVES THAT USUALLY MEANS THERE IS GOING TO BE INFLATION RIGHT AFTER THE DECLINE. I DON'T KNOW. NOBODY KNOWS. EVEN OUR PROFESSIONALS -- IT WAS TOLD TO ME IN THE MEETING, WE CAN'T PREDICT IT, SO WE JUST LEAVE IT FLAT. WELL THAT'S PROBABLY

PRETTY GOOD ADVICE TOO. >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: MR. CELLA, YOU WERE TALKING.

DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANTED TO ADD? >> COMMISSIONER CELLA: I DISAGREE ON THE FACT CROW THINK IF WE HAVE ROADS THAT WILL HANDLE THE CAPACITY IT WILL SLOW GROWTH. IT HASN'T SLOWED IT AND THE ROADS ARE ALREADY OVERCROWDED. I DON'T THINK WE CAN CONTROL GROWTH BY NOT BUILDING A ROAD THAT NOBODY IS NOT GOING TO BUILD THEIR DEVELOPMENT IF WE DON'T BUILD A ROAD. THEY'RE GOING TO BUILD THE DEVELOPMENT. WE'VE SEEN THAT. SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE WAY THAT WE CAN ADDRESS OUR READ -- NEEDS NOW AND MOVE FORWARD AND MOVE THESE OFF THE CRITICAL LIST. YOU ARE RIGHT, SOME OF THESE OTHERS, DON'T KNOW WHETHER THEY'LL BE NEEDED AT SOME POINT AND TIME. THE ONES WE'RE TARGETING ARE NEEDED NOW. IT'S NOT LIKE WE CAN WAIT IN THE FUTURE AND THINK THEY'RE GOING TO BE DONE SO. SO THAT'S WHY I SUGGESTED THE BONDING IN THE FIRST PLACE. AND, YOU KNOW, QUITE HONESTLY, IF THE ECONOMY DOES GO INTO RECESSION WE KNOW ALREADY THAT WE'VE MADE OUT MUCH BETTER WHEN DOING HENDLEY ROAD AND OTHER PROJECTS WHEN WE SAVED $20 MILLION BECAUSE IT TURNED OUT TO BE A MUCH BETTER DEAL FOR US DOING IT THAT WAY. OVER THE NEXT 20 YEARS, PEOPLE MOVING INTO THE COUNTY ARE THE PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO BE PAYING, HELP PAYING FOR THE ROADS BASED ON IMPACT FEES, BASED ON GAS TAX AND SALES TAX OVER THE NEXT 20 YEARS. NEW RESIDENTS WHO AREN'T EVEN HERE. CLAY COUNTY MAY NOT EVEN BE A GLIMMER IN THEIR EYES. WE'LL BE PAYING SALES TAX, GAS TAX AND IMPACT FEES AS THEY MOVE INTO THE AREA. MR. AUTO LIKES TO SAY THAT LET'S LOOK TO SEE WHERE THE IMPACT FEES HAVE BEEN PAID. UP UNTIL A YEAR AND A HALF OR TWO YEARS AGO WE IMPLEMENTED THE IMPACT FEES AND THERE WERE NO IMPACT FEES. NO FEES PAID. SO THEY ARE BEING PAID NOW. WE'RE CHARGING FOLKS FIVE CENTS MORE FOR GAS AND THOSE DOLLARS ARE GOING TO BE APPLIED TO THE ROADS. BETWEEN THOSE THREE THINGS I THINK MR. BOLLA TALKED ABOUT THE TRIPOD OF REVENUES THAT WE NEEDED TO DEPEND ON WHICH ARE THE SALES TAX, GAS TAX AND

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BUT I'VE ALWAYS BEEN TOLD IF YOU ARE GOING TO BE -- AND THIS IS WHY I THINK THIS IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE FOR THE CITIZENS. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BONDING FOR ROADS AND STRICTLY ROADS. THERE'S BEEN SUGGESTIONS WE DO OTHER PROJECTS HERE. I THINK THE NUMBER ONE POINT THAT WE NEED TO MAKE IS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ROADS AND NOTHING ELSE. SO, YOU CAN GET YOURSELF IN TO TROUBLE AND AGREE IF YOU ARE DOING DIFFERENT THINGS AND BONDING THOSE MONEYS FOR, YOU KNOW, THINGS THAT AREN'T ESSENTIAL. THESE ARE ESSENTIAL FOR NOT ONLY THE GROWTH OF OUR COUNTY BUT ALSO MORE IMPORTANTLY JUST THE QUALITY OF LIFE FOR THE PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO SIT AND, YOU KNOW, JUST -- YOU ARE RIGHT, TRAFFIC NEVER GOES AWAY. BUT, AT THE SAME TIME, WE CAN ATTACK CERTAIN AREAS THAT NEED TO BE ATTACKED. SO, I'M GOOD WITH -- AND IT'S NOT GOING TO BE 20 YEARS, IT'S GOING TO BE 19.7 YEARS OR WHATEVER THE CASE IS BECAUSE OUR SALES TAX RUNS OUT IN 2039. SO WE CAN'T HAVE ANYTHING THAT BYPASSES 2039. IN TERMS OF HANDICAPPING BOARDS BEFOREHAND, LET'S TALK ABOUT HOW WE'RE HANDICAPPED. SOME CASES BOARDS BEFORE US DIDN'T HAVE THE MONEY, DIDN'T HAVE THE FOR SIGHT TO PUT MONEY AWAY AND SPEND MONEY ON ROADS YET THEY APPROVED ALL THOSE DEVELOPMENTS. BOTTOM LINE IS YOU DON'T LIKE TO HANDICAP OR HANDCUFF SOMEBODY IN THE FUTURE BUT, AT THE SAME TIME, I THINK WITH A PRO DEPTH LOOK AT WHAT WE NEED AND HOW WE NEED TO MOVE OUR COUNTY FORWARD I THINK THOSE BOARDS WILL HAVE TO DEAL WITH WHAT THEY WERE LEFT JUST LIKE WE'RE DEALING WITH WHAT WE'VE BEEN LEFT. YOU DO WHAT YOU CAN LOOKING AT IT THE BEST WAY AND MAKE YOUR BEST DECISION AND MOVE FORWARD FROM THERE. ANYTHING ELSE?

>> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: I'LL GO LAST. EVERYTHING THAT'S BEEN SAID IS GREATLY VALUED. I WILL SAY THAT I DON'T WORRY SO MUCH ABOUT FUTURE GROWTH AS I WORRY, IN THIS CASE, ONES THE DEFICIENT ROADS ABOUT THE TENS OF THOUSANDS OF RESIDENTS HAVING TO DRIVE AND SIT ON THESE ROADS WAITING FOR RED LIGHT CYCLE TO TRY TO GET HOME. AND SOME OF THEM ARE JUST NOT SAFE BECAUSE WE'VE OVERLOADED THEM AND PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO GET HOME. SO I THINK IT IS A SAFETY ISSUE AS WELL AS A QUALITY OF LIFE ISSUE. AND IT'S NOT FAIR TO THE PEEP THAT ARE ALREADY LIVING HERE THAT WE TRY TO PLAY A SHELL GAME OF WELL WE WON'T IMPROVE THEM AND MAYBE WE WON'T GROW. YOU OBVIOUSLY COULD SEE IF THAT WAS GOING TO WORK IT WOULD HAVE WORKED AND WE WOULDN'T BE WHERE WE ARE BECAUSE NOTHING'S BEEN DONE. WHEN I LOOK AT THE BASE SCENARIO, ALTERNATIVE ONE AND TWO, THE ONE I LIKE THE BEST IS ALTERNATIVE NUMBER ONE. AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS WE ARE PUTTING UP $104 MILLION IN THE BEGINNING. IF WE DID A 2020 BOND ISSUE. WHEN WE DID THE $26 MILLION THERE WILL BE A DIFFERENT COUNTY COMMISSION FROM US. SO I WOULD RATHER GIVE THEM A SMALLER NUMBER TO WORK WITH AND HAVE THE MOMENTUM OF THE PROJECTS THAT WOULD BE DONE WITH THE $104 MILLION THAN TO GO TO ALTERNATIVE NUMBER TWO. I THINK THAT PUTS TOO MUCH ON THE TABLE TO BE TAKEN CARE OF DOWN THE ROAD WHEN WE DON'T KNOW WHAT INTEREST RATES WILL BE, WHEN WE CAN BORROW -- IF IT'S NOT AS MUCH AS WE CAN AND WE PHASE IT IN TO GO WITH MORE NUMBER. SO

THAT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION. >> COMMISSIONER CELLA: MY ONLY QUESTION IS IF IT'S 2023, WON'T BE ABLE TO BE A 20 YEAR RENEWAL ON THAT BOND BECAUSE THE SALES TAX WILL RUN OUT IN 2039.

>> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: RIGHT >> SPEAKER: THAT IS FACTORED IN. >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: OKAY.

SO I AM OKAY WITH SINGLE ISSUANCE OR ALTERNATIVE NUMBER ONE. THOSE WOULD BE MY TWO

CHOICES. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: IF I WAS GOING TO GO FOR ANYTHING I WOULD

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RECOMMENDATION. >> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: WHICH OF THE THREE STEPS?

>> COMMISSIONER CELLA: THE SINGLE ISSUANCE. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: WE BORROW

AS MUCH AS WE CAN FOR AS LONG AS WE CAN. >> COMMISSIONER CELLA: SOMEBODY HAD GIVEN ME THAT ADVICE YEARS AGO ON A PERSONAL LEVEL. THAT YOU BORROW AS MUCH MONEY IN BUSINESS AS MUCH AS YOU CAN FOR AS LONG AS YOU CAN. I MEAN, I'M GOOD WITH EITHER ONE BUT I THINK BASED ON WHAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT I WOULD PROBABLY ALSO GO WITH THE BASE CASE. AND I WILL SAY THAT -- AND THIS IS NOT NEGATIVE ABOUT DALE, BUT I THINK IN ADDITION TO THAT WE NEED TO COME UP WITH WHETHER IT'S GOING TO BE A HIRED HAND WORKING FOR THE COUNTY OR A OUTSIDE GROUP THAT IS GOING BE OUR ROAD CZARS AND BE ABLE TO DRIVE THIS THING AS QUICKLY AND EFFICIENTLY AS POSSIBLE. BECAUSE DALE'S GOT ENOUGH TO WORK ON EVERY DAY. HE CAN CERTAINLY OVERSEE THAT.

BUT, AT THE SAME TIME, WE CAN'T EXPECT HIM TO RUN A DEPARTMENT AND ALSO -- THIS IS GOING TO BE

A DEPARTMENT ON TO ITSELF ALMOST. >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN MY PLAN ALL ALONG. THAT IT BE OUT SOURCED. LIKE THE FORMER PROJECTS. SO, I'M HEARING FROM MR. BOLLA AND MR. CELLA THAT YOU LIKE THE BASE CASE?

>> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: I'M GOOD WITH THE BASE CASE. ONCE WE DECIDE ON THE SPENDING PART OF IT, WHATEVER SCENARIO WE CAN ACTUALLY BUILD STUFF AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE GOVERNMENT DOESN'T DO ANYTHING FAST EXCEPT TAKE PEOPLE'S MONEY. AND IT'S FRUSTRATING. AND TOO THE ONLY OTHER THING I WOULD SAY IS THERE'S DIFFERENT TYPES OF DEBT.

A HIGH INTEREST CAR LOAN IS NOT PROBABLY THE BEST DEBT NECESSARILY BECAUSE YOU LOSE A LOT OF THE VALUE WHEN YOU DRIVE OFF THE LOT AND ALL THAT. A HOME MORTGAGE IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO LIVE SOMEWHERE. SO YOU ARE GOING -- THAT'S WHAT THIS IS.

INFLATION, I THINK, IS GOING TO ULTIMATELY BE GREATER THAN THE INTEREST RATES ON THIS. SO THAT'S WHY I THINK IT FINANCIALLY MAKES SENSE. IT'S NOT JUST A MATTER OF WANTING TO TAKE OUT DEBT BECAUSE WE CAN. IT IS A MATTER OF I THINK A PRUDENT FINANCIAL DECISION LOOKING AT INFLATION VERSUS INTEREST RATES. SO I WOULD SUPPORT THE REST OF THE

COMMISSION ON THE BASE. >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: SO SOUNDS LIKE WE ARE IN AGREEMENT

WITH THE BASE SCENARIO. IS THAT WHAT YOU NEEDED? >> SPEAKER: COULD I ALSO ENTERTAIN THE DIFFERNT TERM STRUCTURE OPTIONS? 20 YEAR BEING OUR RECOMMENDATION TO KEEP COVERAGE ABOVE TWO TIMES. THAT'S THE FULL TERM TO TAKE IT TO A FINAL MATURITY OF

OCTOBER 2039. >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: OKAY. >> COMMISSIONER CELLA: AND YOU ARE CONVINCED THAT WOULD GIVE US THE BEST LEVERAGE IN TERMS OF GETTING THE BEST DEAL?

>> SPEAKER: THROUGH A COMBINATION OF JUST CREDIT RATING CRITERIA AS WELL AS PAGO REVENUE AVAILABLE. COMPARED TO 4.7 YOU WOULD HAVE OVER 10 MILLION A YEAR IN REVENUE

AVAILABLE AFTER DEBT SERVICE. >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: OKAY. ALL RIGHT. ANYTHING ELSE WE

NEED TO DO FOR YOU? >> SPEAKER: I THINK WE'RE GOOD. APPRECIATE IT.

>> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: ALL RIGHT. WE DO HAVE SOME TIME-CERTAINS. SO I AM GOING TO SKIP FORWARD TO ITEMS NUMBER 29. FRAN, IF YOU WILL COME FORWARD, I'LL LET YOU INTRODUCE IT THEN I

[29.  5:00 PM Time Certain or as soon thereafter as can be heard - Resolution of Intent electing to use the uniform ad valorem method of collecting non-ad valorem special assessments levied within the Clay County Subdivision Roads MSBU]

HAVE A CARD. I HAVE ONE CARD FOR THAT. >> SPEAKER: THANK YOU. FRAN MOSS IN THE COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. WE HAVE TWO RESOLUTIONS OF INTENT WHICH IS SORT OF THE KICKOFF TO THE MSBU CREATION PROCESS. THE FIRST ONE INVOLVES A COUNTY PLAN WHICH IS THE MSBU WE ARE CREATING TO HANDLE FUTURE NEW SUBDIVISION MAINTENANCE AND RSURFACING REPAIRS GOING FORWARD. AND THIS IS A PLAN THE BOARD HAS BEEN TALKING ABOUT FOR ABOUT A YEAR. WE'RE FINALLY GETTING READY TO COMMENCE WITH THE RESOLUTION OF INTENT WHICH WILL CULMINATE NEXT SEPTEMBER WITH OUR FIRST ROLE FOR THE MAINTENANCE OF OUR NEW SUBDIVISIONS. WE HAVE ONE SUBDIVISION THAT'S READY TO GO IN THE PROCESS. AND I IMAGINE THERE WILL BE A FEW MORE. TWO MAYBE TONIGHT. AND MAYBE WE'LL GET FIVE OR SIX FOR THE FIRST YEAR. BUT IN ORDER TO GET GOING THE PROCESS THERE ARE SEVERAL STATUTORY DEADLINES WE MUST MEET ALONG THE WAY. THE FIRST IS TO ADOPT A RESOLUTION OF INTENT TO USE THE MSBU PROCESS FOR THIS PURPOSE OF RESURFACING NEW SUBDIVISION ROADS FOR WHICH THE BOARD HAS ACCEPTED MAINTENANCE BUT SUBJECT TO A FUNDING SOURCE LIKE AN MSBU. SO, THIS RESOLUTION WAS REQUIRED TO BE ADVERTISED FOUR WEEKS IN ADVANCE. AND WE ARE THROUGH WITH THE FOUR WEEKS ADVERTISING PROCESS SO WE'RE READY FOR THE

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KNOW IF YOU WANT TO DO THAT TONIGHT, BUT HE'S HERE. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: COULD YOU DESCRIBE FOR THE TV AUDIENCE HOW THIS THING WORKS. SORT OF JUST --

>> SPEAKER: I MEAN, HOW THIS FINANCING TOOL WORKS? OKAY. WHAT WE DO BETWEEN NOW AND NEXT SEPTEMBER IS WITH THE HELP OF THE PROPERTY APPRAISER CREATE AN ASSESSMENT RULE THAT COVERS, FOR INSTANCE, I'LL USE AN EXAMPLE, SILVER OAKS ESTATES IS A SUBDIVISION THAT WILL BE IN THIS ROLL NEXT YEAR. THE ROLL WILL COVER ALL OF THE LOTS IN THAT SUBDIVISION TO WHICH A COST PER UNIT FOR THE RESURFACING COSTS THAT WE'LL COLLECT OVER TEN YEARS, BECAUSE IT WILL TAKE THAT LONG TO COLLECT ENOUGH, THAT WILL APPEAR ON THE TAX BILL EVERY YEAR. SAME AMOUNT.

DURING THAT TIME WE'LL DO MAINTENANCE WITH THE EXPECTATION THERE WOULD BE A RESURFACING MAYBE TEN YEARS DOWN THE ROAD. SO, THIS WOULD APPEAR AS A NON-AD VALOREM ASSESSMENT ON THE

TAX BILL SENT OUT EACH YEAR BY THE TAX COLLECTOR. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: WHO

DETERMINE WHAT'S THAT NUMBER IS? >> SPEAKER: OUR PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT AND DIRECTOR OF ENGINEERING IS GOING TO DETERMINE PER EACH SUBDIVISION THE APPROPRIATE COST PER PARCEL.

FOR INSTANCE, THEY'RE NOT ALL GOING TO BE THE SAME. SOME SUBDIVISIONS WILL HAVE A HIGHER COST PER PARCEL THAN OTHERS BASED ON THEIR PARTICULAR GEOMETRY.

>> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: AND WILL THEY HAVE ANY INPUT, AN APPEAL PROCESS IF THEY DON'T FEEL IT'S

FAIR OR ANYTHING? I'M NOT TRYING TO MAKE PROBLEMS HERE. >> SPEAKER: THEY ALL KNOW YOUR

TELEPHONE NUMBERS BUT THERE IS NOT A FORMAL APPEAL PROCESS. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: OKAY.

>> SPEAKER: NEXT SUMMER, FOR EACH UNIT THAT COMES ON THEY'LL GET A LETTER IN THE SUMMER THAT SAYS HERE'S WHAT'S GOING HAPPEN. WE'LL HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING EVERY YEAR FOR THOSE NEW UNITS THAT COME ON. AND THEY WILL BE ABLE TO COME IN AND SAY I DON'T LIKE IT, I DO LIKE IT, AND THE

BOARD CAN AIR IT OUT THEN. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: WHO IS THE FINAL ARBITRATOR AS TO WHAT

THE NUMBER IS? US? >> SPEAKER: YES. THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS.

>> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: OKAY. >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING:, FRAN, IF WE OVER CHARGE AND LET'S SAY IT'S NOT AS EXPENSIVE AS THE MONEY WE'VE COLLECTED, WHAT HAPPENS WITH THE MONEY?

>> SPEAKER: YOU CAN ALWAYS NOT COLLECT FOR ONE YEAR. THINGS LIKE THAT. YOU COULD ALWAYS ENHANCE SOMETHING OUT THERE. BUT YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE AN ASSESSMENT EVERY SINGLE YEAR IF

YOU FIND YOU HAVE TOO MUCH. >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: OKAY. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: WHAT ABOUT INPUT FROM THE SUBD SUBDIVISION? IF THEY FEEL THEY WANT A HIGHER LEVEL OF MAINTENANCE OR WANT THEIR ROADS FIXED SOONER, IS THERE ANY PROCESS FOR THAT TO HAPPEN?

>> SPEAKER: YES. IF THEY CONVINCE YOU THEY WANT TO PAY MORE, WE CAN ROLL THAT INTO A

HIGHER ASSESSMENT THAT YEAR. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: SO THEY HAVE DIRECT INPUT AS TO WHEN AND

HOW GOOD THE ROADS ARE PRETTY MUCH, RIGHT? >> SPEAKER: THEY CAN. YOU DON'T HAVE TO -- THESE ARE ALL COUNTY OWNED ROADS. SO THE FINAL DECIDER ON THE ROADS IS THE COUNTY WHICH OWNS THEM. AND ALSO DECIDES THE LEVEL OF MAINTENANCE FINANCIAL AFTER THAT, YOU ARE FREE TO RECEIVE ANY INPUT FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD. IF THEY COME IN AND SAY, CHARGE US FOUR TIMES BECAUSE WE WANT THIS YOU COULD SAY YES YOU CAN SAY NO.

>> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: THAT SOUNDS KIND OF OUTLANDISH BUT I'VE HAD CUSTOMERS COME UP AND SAY I WOULDN'T MIND PAYING MORE TO HAVE A BETTER, YOU KNOW, BETTER MAINTENANCE OF MY ROADS.

I WANT FIRST CLASS STUFF. IF YOU WANT TO DO THAT, THAT'S FINE. BUT YOU GOT TO CONVINCE

YOUR NEIGHBORS THAT'S A GOOD IDEA AS WELL. OKAY. I'M GOOD. >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR FRAN? ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE ONE PERSON THAT WILL SPEAK TO THIS ITEM. THEN

I'LL BRING IT BACK FOR A VOTE. MR. JOHN O'CONNOR. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: THANK YOU I'M JOHN O'CONNOR. 1590 ISLAND LANE SWEET 28. I'M SORRY TO BE LATE TO THE BALLPARK AND THE GAME BUT I JUST NEED A COUPLE OF EXPLANATIONS. IS THIS GOING TO BE ALL SUBDIVISIONS WITHIN THE

COUNTY OR JUST NEW SUBDIVISIONS? >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: NEW. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: BECAUSE YOU SAID ALL ROADS IN THE COUNTY AND THOSE ARE ALL EXISTING. WITH WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NEW ROADS THAT THE COUNTY IS NOT ACCEPTING. SO IT'S GOING TO BE NOT COUNTY ROADS THEY'RE

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NOT CORRECT? >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: YOU MIGHT WANT TO TALK TO FRAN TO

GET CLARIFICATION ON THAT. >> SPEAKER: THEY'RE DEDICATED TO THE COUNTY. THE COUNTY IS JUST NOT ACCEPTING THE TRADITIONAL MAINTENANCE WE ALWAYS HAVE. WE'RE DOING IT SUBJECT TO THE

CREATION OF THIS FUNDING MECHANISM FOR THE OWNERS. >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: SO

THAT KEEPS THE ROADS PUBLIC SO WE CAN TRAV ON THEM. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: IS THAT GOING TO TAKE CARE OF THE DRAINAGE AS WELL? A WHOLE OTHER ISSUE. THEN WHAT ABOUT THE SIDEWALKS? THE

ROADS AND SIDEWALKS ARE INCLUDED? >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING:

WHATEVER WE ACCEPT. >> SPEAKER: NOT THE ROAD DRAINAGE. THE ROADWAYS AND THE SIDEWALK. THE CURB AND GUTTERS. BUT IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT YOU WANT TO KEEP -- IF YOU WANT

TO KEEP THOSE IN YOUR CDD OR HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION YOU CAN. >> SPEAKER: YES. IN FACT WE'VE

HAD A COUPLE CHOSEN TO DO THAT. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: WE'RE THE FALLBACK IF YOU DON'T WANT TO DO THAT. BUT SOMEBODY'S GOT TO HAVE A PLAN TO MAINTAIN THOSE ROADS GOING FORWARD.

>> PUBLIC SPEAKER: AGREED. I JUST WANTED TO COMPLIMENT ALL OF YOU COMMISSIONERS FOR MOVING FORWARD WITH THE BOND ISSUE. IT IS ABSOLUTELY THE RIGHT THING TO DO. BORROW AS MUCH AS YOU CAN FOR AS LONG AS YOU CAN. INTEREST RATES YOU ARE LOOKING AT TODAY, GOD BLESS YOU. IT'S THE BEST THING TO DO. THE ONLY THING THAT'S GOING TO CHANGE MR. BOLLA IS WHO GETS ELECTED PRESIDENT. AND THAT'S GOING MAKE A DIFFERENCE ON HOW WE PROCEED FORWARD THE NEXT FOUR

YEARS. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: MY MIND'S MADE UP.

>> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: THANK YOU. MR. AUTO? >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: JAMES AUTO SEX AND BUDS CLAY COUNTY FLORIDA HOTELS 2904-2910, BLANDING BOULEVARD. I'M TOTALLY AGAINST

THIS BOND ISSUE. THIS IS RIDICULOUS. >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: THAT

IS NOT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NOW. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: WELL HE JUST COMMENTED ON IT AND YOU SAT THERE AND DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING. SO I JUST PUT MY TWO CENTS IN.

>> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: WELL THAT'S IT. YOU MADE YOUR POINT. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: YOU DIDN'T SAY NOTHING TO HIM, MA'AM. YOU SAID NOTHING TO HIM. THIS FAIR SHARE THING ON THE ROADS IS NOT FAIR AT ALL. IT'S NOT GOOD. BUT I KNOW THE CHAIR'S BEEN UP HERE IN FULL SUPPORT OF PRIVATIZING AS MANY ROADS AS POSSIBLE. AND THAT WOULD BE GREAT, YOU KNOW, THAT THESE SUBDIVISIONS AND THESE AREAS THAT HAVE THESE LAWS THAT OTHER AREAS IN THE COUNTY CAN'T HAVE YOU KNOW. BUT, YOU KNOW, THE OVER GROWTH IS THE MAIN ISSUE IN CLAY COUNTY. AND IT DIDN'T HAPPEN WHEN IT STARTED. YOU GUYS SIT HERE AND PASS EVERYTHING ALMOST THAT COMES THROUGH TO YOU. AND NOW YOU ARE SITTING HERE WANTING TO BORROW FOLKS MONEY WHEN, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A HARD ISSUE WITH THE GRANTS AND EVERYTHING COMING UP. YOU'VE ALREADY BEEN WARNED. AND WE NEED CERTAIN THINGS TO BE TAKEN CARE OF. AND, YOU KNOW, THIS JUST ISN'T RIGHT. BUT, YOU KNOW, THE SLOWER THE GROWTH, THE BETTER THE GROWTH RIGHT NOW. LET'S NOT JUST TIE UP THE NEXT COMMISSIONERS FOR THE NEXT 20 YEARS TIE THEIR HANDS. I THOUGHT MR. BOLLA WAS GOING TO VOTE FOR THE THREE ROADS AND THAT WAS IT. YOU GUYS ARE BORROWING ALL THIS MONEY AND ALL THESE LITTLE ROADS ARE GOING --

>> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: THAT'S NOT THE TOPIC, SIR. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: WELL MSBU, SUBDIVISION COUNTY ROADS. YOU BORROW THE MONEY AND YOU ARE USING MONEY. THIS IS ALL ONE PILE OF MONEY. THE PUBLIC'S MONEY. ALL OF THIS TAX MONEY IS ONE POT OF MONEY. YOU GUYS GOT SLAMMED WITH HAVING TO SUPPORT THE SCHOOL DISTRICT SO I AM EXPECTING SOME CHANGES HERE FINANCIAL NO $100,000 ON THE FAIRGROUNDS YOU KNOW. I THINK YOU ARE ON THE RIGHT ROAD WITH SOME OF THESE ROADS BEING PRIVATIZED AND THE MORE YOU CAN, BUT I DON'T THINK THERE'S REALLY AS MANY AS YOU THINK YOU ARE GOING TO PRIVATIZE THE ROADS AND PAY FOR THEM LIKE YOUR SUBDIVISION IS. ANYHOW, THIS GROWTH IS OUT OF HAND AND MANY PEOPLE HAVE COME HERE AND ASKED YOU TO SLOW IT DOWN AND HERE WE ARE TODAY. NO. NO ON THIS LOAN.

>> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: THANK YOU. WE'LL BRING IT BACK TO THE BOARD. CHAIR WILL ENTERTAIN A

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>> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: MOVE FOR APPROVAL. COMMISSION CELLA SECOND.

>> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: THE MOTION CARRIES 3-0. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA:

MR. ROLLINS ORIGINALLY BROUGHT THIS TO US DIDN'T HE? >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: I'M

[30.  5:00 PM Time Certain or as soon thereafter as can be heard - Resolution of Intent electing to use the uniform ad valorem method of collecting non-ad valorem special assessments levied with Big Tree Lakes MSBU]

>> SPEAKER: JUST TO CLEAR UP OUR DISCUSSION ABOUT ANCILLARY DRAINAGE. ALL THESE NEW SUBDIVISIONS ARE GOING TO BE CURB AND GUTTER. TO THE EXTENT AN INLET CRACKS OR IS BROKEN, THAT IS GOING TO BE INCLUDED IN THE MSBU. BECAUSE WE THINK IT'S PART OF A FUNCTIONING ROAD EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT TECHNICALLY RESURFACING. SO THAT WE'LL BE ABLE TO CHARGE TO COVER THAT

COST. JUST WANTED TO CLEAR THAT UP. OKAY. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: SO THAT INCLUDES DRAINAGE? NOW I'M CONFUSED. IS THERE ANY PIPE UNDER THE ROAD? MR. ENGINEER?

LIKE BOTTOM RIDGE? >> SPEAKER: THESE ARE NEW SUBDIVISIONS SO THEY'LL ALL HAVE

THE CURB AND GUTTER WHICH MEANS THERE IS PIPE, RIGHT? >> SPEAKER: THE ROUGH COST THAT I HAD PRESENTED SEVERAL MONTHS AGO WAS FOR THE RESURFACING AND IT WAS FOR THE SURFACE MAINTENANCE. SO, WOULD IT BE THE CURB AND GUTTER IF IT CRACKED AROUND AN INLET THAT WOULD BE THE ANCILLARY DRAINAGE BUT IT WOULD NOT BE ALL THE STORM PIPING AND EVERTHING THAT GOES OUT TO THE POND AND EVERYTHING ELSE. AND, YOU KNOW, NOT HAVING A COMPLETE FIELD.

BECAUSE I THINK WE WENT THROUGH THIS DISCUSSION AND I WENT THROUGH HALF A DOZEN NEW SUBDIVISIONS AND TRIED TO FIGURE OUT WAS THERE AN AVERAGE ANNUAL COST? AND I COULD NOT COME UP WITH ONE. SO WHAT I DID TO COME UP WITH THE COST THAT I PRESENTED TO YOU ALL WAS I TOOK JUST THREE PERCENT OF THE CONSTRUCTION COST AND SAID THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO HAVE SET ASIDE OVER THIS, YOU KNOW, 20 YEAR LIFE CYCLE. THERE MAY BE ONE MSBU THAT MAY NEED MORE SURFACE DRAINAGE. YOU KNOW, MAYBE IF PEOPLE HAVE CRACKED UP MORE OF THE SIDEWALKS, THINGS LIKE THAT. SO IT'S TO TAKE CARE OF ALL THE SURFACE AND THE RIGHT-OF-WAY AND THE AREAS

AROUND THE INLETS. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: WELL -- >> SPEAKER: BUT NOT THE STORM WATER. YOU KNOW, AFTER THERE'S A SIDEWALK AND A GUTTER AND INLET, ALL THE WATER GOES RUSHING IN, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WOULD BE PART OF THE REPAIR INCLUDED IN THE MSBU.

THE ACTUAL STORM WATER MAINTENANCE, STORM WATER RETENTION ISSUES ARE NOT PART OF

THIS. >> SPEAKER: IT WOULD BE THE PIPING TOO. BECAUSE PIPES FAIL

ALSO. THAT'S NOT PART OF THIS. NO. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: SO STORM WATER PIPE FAILS IN 20 YEARS YOU HAVE TO GO IN AND DIG THE ROAD UP, TEAR UP THE SIDEWALK TO FIX

THE PIPE. THE PIPE GETS FIXED. WHO PAYS? >> SPEAKER: WE WILL HAVE TO WORK OUT THAT DETAIL. TYPICALLY, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU TEAR UP THE SURFACE, WHEN YOU DO A STORM WATER PIPE OR SANITARY SEWER PIPE OR WATERLINE THAT'S ALL PART OF THE COST OF PUTTING THE SURFACE BACK THE WAY THAT YOU FOUND IT. SO, I DON'T KNOW THAT I WOULD, YOU KNOW, JUGGLE MONEY

FROM ONE TO THE OTHER. >> SPEAKER: I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO SPEND THE MONEY ON THE PIPES. BUT IF WE TORE UP THE ROAD -- SAY WE RESURFACED -- I WOULD THINK IF WE RESURFACED A SUBDIVISION ROAD AFTER TEN YEARS THE VERY NEXT YEAR THERE'S A MASSIVE STORM WATER DRAINAGE FAIL THAT REQUIRES THE ROAD TO BE TORN UP AGAIN, I DON'T THINK IT'S FAIR THAT THE FOLKS THERE WOULD PAY TWICE FOR THAT. NOW BY THAT TIME MAYBE THERE WILL BE A STORM WATER UTILITY. SO, THAT WOULD CERTAINLY BE APPROPRIATE TO SPEND OUT OF THAT FUND.

>> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: I THINK WE NEED A WRITTEN POLICY. I CAN SEE THAT AS BEING, YOU KNOW, THE ISSUE IS THE PIPING UNDER THE ROAD COSTS TWICE WHAT THE ROAD COSTS. AND BY THE TIME YOU FIX THAT YOU'VE TORN UP THE WHOLE ROAD AGAIN. I MEAN, WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE'RE GOING TREAT

THIS. I MEAN -- >> SPEAKER: IT'S JUST AN ISSUE THAT COMES UP IN NEW

SUBDIVISIONS. >> SPEAKER: THIS IS AN ISSUE THAT COMES UP, LIKE I SAID, WHETHER IT'S REPLACEMENT OF A WATERLINE, SEWERLINE, A STORM DRAIN. THAT IS ALL CONSIDERED PART OF THE COST OF REPAIRING THAT STORM DRAIN. IN OTHER WORDS, EVERY STORM DRAIN THAT I REPAIR, YOU KNOW, WITHIN A RIGHT-OF-WAY I'M PUTTING PAVEMENT BACK AND THAT. I AGREE

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DO NEED TO HAVE A POLICY -- >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: 20 YEARS TO WORRY ABOUT IT AND IT'S NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN. HOW ABOUT OAK LEAF THAT FAILED IN TEN YEARS. THAT'S JUST THE ROAD BUT THE PIPES OKAY. WE NEED SOME -- I THINK WE NEED A WRIT WERE -- WRITTEN POLICY.

>> SPEAKER: THE INDUSTRY FRAY IS THE UTILITY THAT TEARS UP THE ROAD PAYS TO PUT THE ROAD BACK.

IF AT&T TEARS UP A ROAD, PUTTING IN A UTILITY OR REPAIRING THEIR UTILITY, THAT'S ALL COST, YOU KNOW, OF THEM RUNNING THEIR UTILITIES, THEY PUT THEM BACK. SO THE STORM WATER, IF MY STORM

WATER FAILS I WOULD PUT THE ROAD BACK. >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: SO

WHAT YOU ARE SAYING IS WE OWN THE STORM WATER? >> SPEAKER: WE OWN THE STORM

WATER SYSTEM. >> COMMISSIONER CELLA: AND IF WE HAVE TO DIG TO GET TO IT.

>> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: I GET THAT BUT I THINK WE OUGHT TO RIGHT THIS DOWN.

>> COMMISSIONER CELLA: SHOULDN'T BE IT PART OF WHAT THE MSBU COVERS? AS FAR AS LANGUAGE.

DOES IT? >> SPEAKER: YES. A RESOLUTION OF INTENT. THIS COMES BACK TO

REMEMBER IN JUNE -- >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: THE POLICY COMES BACK OR THE

ACTUAL -- >> SPEAKER: THE ACTUAL DOCUMENT. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: YOU ARE

GOING TO WRITE THE DOCUMENT AFTER WE TELL YOU TO GO. >> SPEAKER: WE'VE PROVIDED NOTICE OF THE PARAMETERS OF WHAT IT WILL COVER WHICH IS IN THE NOTICE OF INTENT RESOLUTION THE PARAMETERS. WE CAN FURTHER FINE TUNE THOSE IF THAT'S WHAT YOU ARE ASKING. BUT THE NOTICE OF INTENT PROVIDES THAT IT'S COVERING THE ANCILLARY DRAIN ARNING, THE ROADS.

>> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: BUT THE STORM WATER PIPES ARE EXEMPTED. >> SPEAKER: AT THIS POINT IT DOES NOT COVER THE STORM WATER MANAGEMENT PAST THE ROAD SURFACE. BUT WE STARTED WITH JUST A ROAD RESURFACING MSBU BUT NOT A STORM WATER MANAGEMENT MSBU. SO THEY KIND OF -- IF YOU PUT THE STORM WATER ISSUES BACK IN WE MIGHT WANT TO DO A STORM WATER MSBU.

>> SPEAKER: I THINK YOU ARE JUST WANTING AN EXCLUSION. >> SPEAKER: IT IS EXCLUDED NOW.

>> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: IT IS EXCLUDED IN WRITING? >> SPEAKER: YES.

>> WELL, I MEAN, IT DOESN'T SAY THOSE WORDS. IT'S NOT INCLUDED. >> SPEAKER: IT ONLY INCLUDES THE

SURFACE DRAINAGE OPENINGS, IF YOU WILL. THE GUTTERS. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: I DON'T MEAN TO BEAT THIS TO DEATH BUT I CAN SEE A LOT OF PROBLEMS COMING UP IF WE HAVE A LOT OF STORM WATER ISSUES WHERE WE'RE STARTING TO TEAR UP PEOPLE'S ROADS AGAIN AND WE DON'T HAVE IT WRITTEN DOWN AND THEY DON'T KNOW THAT WE'RE GOING TO PAY FOR IT OR WHATEVER THE DEAL IS HERE.

THAT'S ALL. MAYBE NOBODY AGREES WITH ME. >> SPEAKER: WE CAN FLUSH THAT

OUT IN A POLICY. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: SOMEWHERE WE WANT TO WRITE IT DOWN.

>> SPEAKER: I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WERE ON THE SAME PAGE THAT THE RESIDENTS THE SUBDIVISIONS ARE NOT GOING TO BE RESPONSIBLE THROUGH THE MSBU FOR THEIR STORM WATER FAILURES

UNDERNEATH. BUT WE CAN WRITE OUT A POLICY. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: SAY THAT

SOME PLACE THAT'S ALL. >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR FRAN?

>> SPEAKER: SORRY TO BRING THAT BACK UP AGAIN. >> COMMISSIONER: THANK YOU.

WE'LL LET THE PUBLIC SPEAK ON THIS. WE HAVE SOME PEOPLE INTERESTED.

>> SPEAKER: ACTUALLY WE WERE CLARIFYING THE LAST ITEM. THIS NEXT ITEM IS VERY DIFFERENT.

THE NEXT ITEM, YOU KNOW, IN THE LAST SEVERAL MEETINGS RESIDENTS FROM THE BIG TREE LAKES SUBDIVISION AREA, WHICH IS BIG TREE LAKES A, B, C AND SILVER SANDS ARE ALL GRADED ROADS WITH UP A CULL OF PAVED ROADS THAT GO THROUGH. THOSE RESIDENTS HAVE REQUESTED THAT THE BOARD CONSIDER CREATING AN MSBU FOR THEM FOR GRADED ROAD SERVICES. AND IT DOES INCLUDE DRAINAGE.

IT DOES INCLUDE THE OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS DRAINAGE DOWN THERE. WE HAVE A RESOLUTION OF INTENT THAT COVERS SECTIONS A, B, C AND SILVER SANDS. BUT THEY WILL BE TREATED DIFFERENTLY UNDER THE MSBU UMBRELLA. NOW AT THE LAST MEETING THE PEOPLE HAD BROUGHT IN A PETITION FOR SECTION C.

AND IT'S PRIVATE SO IF THE BOARD GOES FORWARD TODAY WITH REGARD TO SECTION C, WE WILL -- OUR PLAN IS TO SEND OUT A BALLOT, SEE IF THERE'S ENOUGH NEIGHBORHOOD INTEREST TO GO FORWARD, THEY NEED 51%, AND THEN WE'LL HAVE A PROPOSED COST FOR THEM. SO, WE'LL KIND OF KNOW

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WITH THAT, I'LL ANSWER ANY >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: ANY QUESTIONS?

>> COMMISSIONER CELLA: WHAT HAPPENS IF SECTION C SAYS YES AND THEY VOTE IN FAVOR OF THAT AND THE OTHER TWO SECTIONS DON'T AND THEY PROCEED WITH THEIR MSBU AND THE OTHER SECTIONS WILL HAVE

TO DEAL WITH THE CONSEQUENCES OF NOT GOING MSBU? >> SPEAKER: CORRECT. WE WOULD

JUST DO C. AT THAT POINT WE WOULD JUST DO THE ROADS IN C. >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: ANY

FURTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY. THANK YOU, FRAN. >> SPEAKER: THANK YOU.

>> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: AND JUST FOR THOSE THAT MAY BE NEW TO THIS, THERE'S NOT ACTUALLY A DIALOGUE BACK AND FORTH. THAT'S THE EXCEPTION. WE'RE JUST HERE TO HEAR YOUR COMMENTS. THE FIRST CARD I HAVE AND I MAY MAKE THIS MISTAKE AND APOLOGIZE IN ADVANCE IT LOOKS LIKE KATHY MONEY? MONROE, GOT YOU. I WOULD LIKE TO GO AFTER A BOARD MEMBER IF YOU DON'T MIND.

>> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: I HAVE NEXT TIANA CURRANT. OKAY. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: TIANA CONANT.

7672 EL DORADO AVENUE. I'D LIKE TO GIVE A QUICK RECAP OF NOVEMBER 12TH MEETING AS FAR AS WHY I ASKED YOU TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE MSBU FOR BIG OLD TREE LAKES. WE LIVE IN BIG TREE LAKES. A TOTAL OF 1957 LOTS AND PARSELES. THE CURRENT BOARD FOUND OUT THAT IN FEBRUARY OF 2019. IT HAS BEEN ON VOLUNTARILY PAY BASIS AND WILL CONTINUE UNLESS WE REVITALIZE.

THE POA IS IN THE WORKS OF TRYING TO REVITALIZE AND WILL NEED 980 YESES. WITH THE UNEVENNESS OF THE BENEFITS OF THIS POA, SOME COUNTY MAINTAINED ROADS, SOME NOT, SOME HOME ONLY AREAS, SOME NOT, THEY WILL NEVER RECEIVE THE VOTES NEEDED TO REVITAL AS I WHICH WILL LEAVE THE 22 MILES OF ROADS NOT BEING MAINTAINED AS YOUR CONCERNED EARLIER, THE SAFETY. MR. BOLLA, YOU SAID AT THE LAST MEETING, YOU DIDN'T WANT TO JUST LEAVE THE PEOPLE OUT HERE WITH NOTHING IN THE SECTIONS A AND B AFTER THE TWO BOARD MEMBERS THAT WAS REPRESENTING THAT DAY SAID NO TO PIGGYBACKING ON TO SECTIONS A AND B ON TO THE SECTION B MSBU PROGRAM. AND YOU KNOW THIS IS OUR DEADLINE. SO I DIDN'T EITHER. SO I WENT OUT, ME AND ANOTHER LADY, AND THESE ARE ACRES, FOUR, FIVE, AND I DROVE AND KNOCKED ON OVER 300 DOORS. AND I GOT THE NEEDED PETITIONS.

SINCE THE LAST -- I HAVE ALSO BEEN ELECTED ON THE BOARD. I AM THE ONLY BOARD MEMBER OF SEVEN BOARD MEMBERS THAT WAS ACTUALLY ELECTED BY THE PEOPLE NOT JUST APPOINTED. BUT ELECTED OR JUST SAT. I WAS ELECTED. SO, WITH THAT BEING SAID, WE HAVE THE PETITIONS. WE HAVE THE SIGNATURES NEEDED. I'VE KNOCKED ON THE DOORS. I'VE TALKED TO THESE PEOPLE. THESE ARE A LOT OF ELDERLY PEOPLE. A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO LIKE EVEN MAY ALREADY BE LIVING ON A MAINTAINED ROAD IN SECTION A WHO IS A RETIRED VETERAN HE OWNS FIVE LOTS. HE IS CHARGED -- IT IS ONLY $78 A YEAR, HE IS CHARGED THAT FOR EACH ONE OF HIS LOTS. SO, HE PAYS CLOSE TO $500 AND RECEIVES NO BENEFITS. NONE. HIS ROAD IS MAINTAINED BY THE COUNTY. ME, I LIVE IN FF1 ON A COUNTY MAINTAINED ROAD. I HAVE NO REASON TO DO THIS. $78 A YEAR IS CHUMP CHANGE. I THROW SIX

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SO IT'S NOT THE MONEY. IT IS THE FACT THAT IF WE DO NOT MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS MSBU PROGRAM, THESE 22 MILES OF ROADS WILL BE LEFT WITH NOTHING AND THESE LAST -- I JUST MOVED IN ACTUALLY IN NOVEMBER. BUT ONE OF THE BOARD MEMBERS MADE A POST AND YOU CAN SEE ALL THESE PEOPLE COMMENTING. IF THEY'RE LUCKY THEY MAY GET THREE GRADINGS A YEAR. WHEN THE COUNTY'S GOING TO MAINTAIN THEM, 12. SO I BEG YOU TO PLEASE MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS INTENT. THANK YOU.

>> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OKAY WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME BACK NOW?

>> PUBLIC SPEAKER: YES. >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: OKAY. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: SORRY.

>> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: GIVE US YOUR NAME AND I DRESS. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: KATHY MONROE 7604 WEST OSCEOLA COURT. I'VE LIVED IN BIG TREE ALMOST 25 YEARS AND I HAVE THE SAME CONCERNS AS TY ON SECTIONS A, B AND C. IF WE DO NOT REVITALIZE, WHICH, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T KNOW, THOSE ROADS ARE IN BAD SHAPE. I MEAN, POTHOLES, SOFT SAND. WE'RE OUT IN THE COUNTRY. YOU KNOW, AND WE REALLY NEED PEOPLE TO VOTE FOR THE MSBU PROGRAM. I THINK AS RESPONSIBLE ADULTS AND PROPERTY OWNERS THEY SHOULD HAVE THAT RIGHT TO BE EVALUATED BY THE COUNTY. AND THEY SHOULD HAVE THE RIGHT TO VOTE WHETHER THEY WANT TO ACCEPT THE FEES INVOLVED WITH A ROAD MAINTENANCE. THE MAJORITY OF THE BOARD IS TRYING TO PREVENT IT. I DON'T KNOW WHY. BUT I THINK THEY HAVE THE RIGHT -- THEY LIVE THERE, SOME SINCE THE BEGINNING OF TIME. AND THEY DESERVE THE RIGHT TO DECIDE HOW THEIR ROADS ARE MAINTAINED OR NOT. AND SO I JUST HOPE THAT

YOU WILL MOVE FORWARD WITH OUR MSBU. >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: THANK

YOU. YOU DID VERY WELL. MR. JOHN O'CONNOR? >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: THANK YOU.

JOHN OH CORNER 1590 ISLAND LANE, FLEMING ISLAND. I OWN NUMEROUS LOTS IN BIG TREE. I OWN SEVERAL HOMES IN BIG TREE. I WAS TOTALLY UNAWARE OF THIS UNTIL I SAW IT ADVERTISED IN THE PAPER.

BUT I'M STRICTLY NOT OPPOSED TO IT. I THINK IT'S CERTAINLY WELCOMED. I AM DISAPPOINTED IN THE FACT THAT THE LAW FIRM REPRESENTING THE HOA LET THIS THING EXPIRE. AND SERIOUS LITIGATION OUGHT TO BE LOOKED IN TO TO PURSUE REMEDIES IN THE COURT. BECAUSE HE HAS A LEGAL LIABILITY. HE HAS A PROFESSIONAL LIABILITY INSURANCE SHOULD BE PURSUED. BUT REGARDLESS OF ALL THAT, I WANTED TO POINT OUT TO DALE SMITH WHEN HE GOES THROUGH, THIS DOES INCLUDE DRAINAGE FACILITIES. YOU CANNOT MAINTAIN ROADS, CURBS, SIDEWALKS AND INLETS WITHOUT MAINTAINING THE DRAINAGE STRUCTURES. IT'S NOT GOING TO WORK UNLESS YOU GO BACK AND INCLUDE DRAINAGE. THESE HOMEOWNERS ARE GOING TO BE OUT THERE, ALL OF A SUDDEN THEY'RE -- LET'S SAY THE RETENTION POND FAILS, GETS BLOWN OUT, THEY'RE OVERFLOWING AND IT FLOODS THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THAT'S GOT TO BE REBUILT. SO THEY ARE NOT GOING TO HAVE THE MONEY TO DO IT. ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU END UP WITH A BUNCH OF LIENS ON BUNCH OF PEOPLE'S PROPERTY. IF THE HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION DOESN'T, WHO IS GOING TO DO IT? THE COUNTY IS GOING TO HAVE TO DO IT ON AN EMERGENCY BASIS SOMEHOW. MR. SMITH PROBABLY DOESN'T AGREE WITH ME BUT I'M SURE HE WILL BE. THAT'S MY ONLY ISSUE. I THINK 29 IS NOT GOING TO WORK UNLESS YOU GO BACK AND INCLUDE DRAINAGE. AND I DON'T SEE ANYWAY IT CAN BE ADDRESSED OTHER THAN THROUGH SPECIAL ASSESSMENT WITH THE HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION. AS SOON AS 30 GOES, I AM IN TOTALLY FAVOR OF IT. I JUST WANT TO KNOW WHAT HAPPENED. WHAT WAS THE FAILURE WITH THE ASSOCIATION, BEING THE DIRECTORS AND HOMEOWNERS. THANK

YOU. >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: THANK YOU. WE APPRECIATE IT. I'M

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SORRY, MR. AUTO? >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: YES, MA'AM. YOU ALMOST FORGOT ME THERE.

>> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: I DID. SORRY ABOUT THAT. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: NO WORRIES.

JAMES AUTO 2904-2910 BLANDING BOULEVARD SEX AND BUDS CLAY COUNTY FLORIDA HOTELS. FOR THE RECORD THE TIME CERTAIN STARTED AT 5:30 I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE LAST MEETING THE BCC WAS A BIG ISSUE WITH THE PRIOR CHAIR. SO IT DOES SAY TIME OR SOON THEREAFTER. THE DRAINAGE ISSUE THIS IS A HUGE THING YOU GUYS FILLED DOWN STAIRS. LIKE THE SEX TOY THING. A GUY HAD TO RUN UP HERE BEFORE THEY CLOSED AND HE DIDN'T GET HIS COMMENT.

TODAY THE DOORS WERE LOCKED AGAIN. I LEFT THE MEETING AND I COULDN'T GET IN. THIS IS A PUBLIC MEETING. WE SHOULDN'T BE LOCKED OUT OF IT. HOW MANY TIMES DO I GOT TO ASK YOU GUYS NOT TO LOCK THE DOORS LIKE THIS? THIS IS OUT OF CONTROL. THIS IS NOT RIGHT. AND THESE POOR FOLKS ARE ONLY GETTING THREE TIMES OUT OF 12. MAYBE IF YOU GUYS WOULD JUST DO YOUR JOB RIGHT THEY

WOULDN'T BE NEEDING THE LOAN AND ALL THIS. >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING:

MR. AUTO, TRY TO STAY ON TOPIC. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: THEY SAID THEY ONLY GOT THREE OF THE 12

ROAD SERVICES THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO GET A YEAR. >> COMMISSIONER CELLA: FROM A

PRIVATE CONTRACTOR. >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: IT WAS NOT OUR RESPONSIBILITY.

>> PUBLIC SPEAKER: I APOLOGIZE ABOUT THAT. >> COMMISSIONER CELLA: THANK YOU

I ACCEPT. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: ALL RIGHT. YES, SIR. SO, YOU KNOW, I'D LIKE TO BRING UP, YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH DID YOU -- DID THE GOVERNMENT, DID OUR TAXPAYERS SPEND ON FLOODED OUTHOUSES? THIS DRAINAGE ISSUE, YOU ARE BUILDING ALL THESE NEW PLACES, WANTING THESE MSBUS AND ALL THIS STUFF. YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT THE DRAINAGE. THIS WATER'S GOT TO GO SOMEWHERE. YOU ARE TAKING OUT THE TREES, PUTTING IN DRIVEWAYS, PUTTING THE ROOFS IN.

YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS CUT ALL THE TREES OUT OF THE BACK. I WAS VERY DISAPPOINTED WITH THE MANAGER WITH THAT. THEY COULD HAVE BEEN TRIMMED UP, CUT BACK, MAINTAINED. THAT IS WHAT WE NEED. WE NEED TO MAINTAIN. DON'T YOU GUYS KNOW THAT MAINTAINING SOMETHING IS THE KEY TO IT. YOU KNOW, MR. PRICE IS IN HERE TELLING YOU THESE -- OR THE OTHER GENTLEMAN IS TELLING YOU THEY'RE GOING TO FALL APART SO BAD IT'S GOING TO COST A FORTUNE. WE'VE BEEN COMING IN HERE FOR A LONG TIME ASKING YOU ALL TO STOP THE GROWTH. SLOW IT DOWN. AND YOU JUST KEEP APPROVING STUFF. IT'S NOT JUST THE PRIOR BOARD. IT'S THIS BOARD TOO. I'M ASKING YOU, SLOW THE GROWTH DOWN. THESE ROADS -- THIS LOAN IS RIDICULOUS. I'M SORRY I GOT OFF TOPIC THERE.

>> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: YOUR TIME HAS EXPIRED. YOUR TIME'S UP. NOW WE'LL COME BACK TO THE

BOARD. WHAT'S THE PLEASURE OF THE BOARD ON ITEM 30? >> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: JUST TO CLARIFY THIS IS AS FRAN SAID JUST PUTTING IT OUT FOR A VOTE THEN ULTIMATELY WE'LL MAKE A DECISION ONCE WE FIND OUT WHAT THE MAJORITY SAYS. SO I AM IN FAVOR OF MOVING FORWARD WITH ALLOWING THE VOTERS OF THE AREA AFFECTED TO WEIGH IN AND THEN WE CAN GO FROM THERE.

>> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: SECOND. >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND FOR THE ADOPTION OF THE RESOLUTION. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY AYE.

THE MOTION CARRIES 4-0. >> SPEAKER: THANK YOU. >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: WE'LL

GO BACK AND PICK UP WHERE WE LEFT OFF, IF I CAN REMEMBER. >> SPEAKER: I BELIEVE WE'RE BACK ON ITEM 14 WHICH TAKES US BACK TO THE PROJECT BONDING. WE HAD INCLUDED A REIMBURSEMENT

[14.  Project Bonding - Reimbursement Resolution]

GET MOVING EVEN BEFORE THE ISSUANCE. >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: THAT

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>> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: ALWAYS GOOD. >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: OKAY.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT ITEM? ALL RIGHT. WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM 15. INTERLOCAL

[15.  Interlocal Agreement for Funding Improvements between Clay County, Florida and the City of Green Cove Springs, Florida (The Augusta Savage Community and Cultural Arts Center)]

SPRINGS FLORIDA. THIS IS THE AUGUSTA SAVAGE PROJECT. >> SPEAKER: AGAIN, WE HEARD A VERY NICE PRESENTATION BY VICE MAYOR VAN ROYAL. AND ALSO WITH STEVE KENNEDY AND WITH THE CITY MANAGER. THE RESOLUTION IS BEFORE YOU HERE TO TRANSITION OR TRANSFER $300,000 OVER FOR THE

SUPPORT OF THAT. AND PENDING ANY QUESTIONS. >> SPEAKER: THE FUNDING AGREEMENT WE DREW UP IS SIMILAR TO THE FUNDING AGREEMENT THE BOARD HAD APPROVED WHEN YOU PROVIDED THE FUNDS FOR THE SPRING PARK POOL. SO ON A REIMBURSEMENT BASIS. ONCE THEY DO THE IMPROVEMENTS AND PROVIDE CONFIRMATION THAT THE WORK HAS BEEN PERFORMED THEN WE WOULD

REIMBURSE UP TO THE $300,000. >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: MR. CELLA, THIS IS IN YOUR

DISTRICT, WOULD YOU LIKE TO KICK IT OFF? >> COMMISSIONER CELLA: YEAH I WOULD BE GLAD TO. THANK YOU. LET ME FIRST SAY THAT THE PLAN IS FOR A MULTI-PURPOSE FACILITY AND A COMMUNITY CENTER THAT I THINK IS CERTAINLY NEEDED NOT ONLY IN THE GREEN COVE AREA BUT CERTAINLY IN CLAY COUNTY. THE FOLKS IN GREEN COVE SPRINGS ARE GOOD PARTNERS. I THINK THEY HAVE TO BE APPLAUDED FOR WHAT THEY'RE DOING IN THEIR COMMUNITY. OF COURSE, IT ONLY ENHANCES THE REST OF THE COUNTY WHEN THE COUNTY SEAT STARTS TO DO THINGS THAT ATTRACT THE FOLKS FROM THE REST OF THE COUNTY IN TO TAKE PART IN. CERTAINLY, ONCE THE MUSEUM IS UP AND RUNNING, I CAN SEE THE COMMUNITY COMING TO THE TDC BOARD PERHAPS FOR MONEYS TO MARKET IT AND EXPOSE THE AUGUSTA SAVAGE PART OF THE MUSEUM. IN FACT, IT MAY EVEN BE ABOVE AND BEYOND THAT THAT IT TURNS INTO MORE OF A CULTURAL CENTER. WE JUST HAD A NUMBER OF THINGS DONATED TO THE COUNTY THAT ARE NOW BEING DISPLAYED AT THE ORANGE PARK LIBRARY WHICH ARE ALL ARTIFACTS AND ARTWORK AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS FROM AFRICA AND DONATED BY A CITIZEN HERE. I SEE THAT WAS A PERFECT PLACE FOR HAVING AN EXHIBIT THERE. SO THOSE KIND OF THINGS YOU KNOW, I CAN SAY THAT SAFELY THIS MONEY HAS BEEN SITTING IN OUR CIP FOR AT LEAST A COUPLE OF YEARS NOW. IN FACT, BECAUSE OF THE WAY THAT WE BUDGET THINGS, THE TOTAL HAS ACTUALLY GROWN BECAUSE WE ACCOUNT FOR INFLATION IN OUR CIP AND SO THERE'S ACTUALLY EVEN MORE MONEY THAN THE $300,000. SO MY RECOMMENDATION IS THAT WE SEE OUR WAY THROUGH TO APPROVING THIS FUNDING. I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THEM ALSO CONTINUE TO IMPROVE THAT BUILDING THAT IS JUST NEXT DOOR TO THE MULTI-PURPOSE BELTING AND THE MUSEUM BUILDING. AND I'D LOVE TO SEE THEM BE ABLE TO FIT THE WAY CLINIC IN THERE AT SOME POINT AS WELL. I MEAN, THE FACILITY THEY'RE IN IS NOT A GREAT FACILITY BUT THAT WOULD PUT IT RIGHT DEAD SET INTO THE AREA THEY SERVE PROBABLY MOST. AND THEN WE WOULD BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD AND UTILIZE THE FACILITY OR AT LEAST THE LAND AREA THAT THE WAY CLINIC IS ON FOR THINGS THAT ARE COMING DOWN THE ROAD FOR US TO HAVE TO BE CONSIDERED. BUT I'M ALL IN FAVOR OF THAT AND I THINK IT MAKES A GREAT COMMUNITY CENTER NOT ONLY FOR GREEN COVE BUT ALL OF CLAY COUNTY.

>> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: IS THAT A MOTION? >> COMMISSIONER CELLA: I'LL MAKE THE PRIGS IF YOU'D LIKE. I ALREADY SAID I MAKE A RECOMMENDATION WE I PROVE THE

FUNDING IMPROVEMENTS TO THE CITY OF GREEN COVE. >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: IS

THERE A SECOND? >> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS:. >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: WE

HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? MR. BOLLA? >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: I THINK IT IS A GREAT PROJECT. IT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT GREEN COVE SPRINGS CAN BE PROUD OF. I ALSO NEED A LIGHT UP AT OAK LEAF. AND IT'S GOING TO BE ABOUT $300,000. THIS YEAR OUR BUDGET GOT PASSED NOT EVEN BEING BALANCED. WE HAD TO GO INTO RESERVES. WE JUST TALKED ABOUT BORROWING, WHAT, $130 MILLION FOR ROADS. I THINK IT IS A GOOD PROJECT BUT I DON'T THINK THIS

IS A GOOD TIME FOR IT. >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: I MYSELF HAD ALREADY COMMITTED TO

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OPPOSED. THE MOTION CARRIES 3-1. ALL RIGHT. >> COMMISSIONER CELLA: IF I COULD MADAM CHAIRMAN FOR JUST A MOMENT. I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS THIS TO COMMISSIONER BOLLA. YOU KNOW, I'M NOT BLIND OR DEAF IN TERMS OF WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO GET OAK LEAF PARKWAY TO WHERE IT NEEDS TO BE AND THAT INCLUDES A LIGHT. I WOULD NOT HAVE A PROBLEM, AND THIS IS ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT THE COUNTY MANAGER PUT IN AS FAR AS DEVELOPING ADDITIONAL PROJECTS OR THINGS TO LOOK AT IN TERMS OF WHAT WE USE THE PROCEEDS FOR THE BONDING. AND I HAVEN'T SEEN NUMBERS. I DON'T THINK DALE'S COME UP WITH NUMBERS. BUT IF OAK LEAF PARKWAY IS AS BAD AS YOU SAY IT IS AND THERE'S IMPROVEMENTS NEEDED THERE, I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT BEING INCLUDED AS PART OF THE BONDING PACKAGE TO GET IT DONE. BECAUSE IT IS, YOU KNOW, A ROAD THAT IS A MAJOR THOROUGHFARE THROUGH THERE. AND IF IT NEEDS THAT MUCH WORK DONE THEN WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO DO IT

SOONER THAN LATER. I DO HEAR YOU. >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: WE'LL

MOVE ON TO ITEM 18. >> SPEAKER: I THINK WE WERE ON 17.

>> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: SORRY ABOUT THAT. 17. >> SPEAKER: ITEM 16 WAS DEFERRED

[17.  Memorandum of Agreement between the Clay County Sheriff's Office and the Clay County Board of County Commissioners - Security Services at the Administration Building for FY 2019/2020]

TO THE NEXT MEETING. >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: RIGHT. OKAY. MR. HOUSEHOLDER?

>> SPEAKER: GOOD EVENING. ITEM COUNTY AND SHERIFF DEPARTMENT FOR PROVIDING A DEPUTY FOR THE SECURITY FOR THE ADMIN BUILDING.

THIS WOULD COVER MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY DURING NORMAL BUSINESS HOURS. THE COST ASSOCIATED WITH THIS AGREEMENT IS $59,150 WHICH HAS BEEN PROVIDED IN THE BUDGET FOR THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE FOR THIS FISCAL YEAR. THIS IS AN ANNUAL AGREEMENT. XHIKS HUTCH DO YOU ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I HAD ONE QUESTION. THAT IS, THIS IS A CUSTOMARY THING WE'VE BEEN DOING FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS.

HAS THE COST ALWAYS BEEN $59,000? >> SPEAKER: NO IT'S JUSTED PER THE ACTUAL COST OF THE DEPUTY PLUS THE OVERHEAD IS MY UNDERSTANDING.

>> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: OKAY SO WE'RE SPENDING MORE NOW THAN WHEN WE STARTED? DO YOU HAVE ANY

HISTORICALS ON THAT? >> SPEAKER: YES, MA'AM. THE HISTORICAL ON THE LINE SINCE FISCAL YEAR 15/16 THE COST WAS $39,447. IT WENT UP TO $56,623 IN 16/17. 17-18. LAST YEAR IT WAS $53,871. I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT IN THE COST, IF YOU LOOK AT THIS, BECAUSE THE $59,150 INCLUDES BENEFITS. HEALTH CARE AND THAT WHICH IS REFLECTED IN FUND 102. REALLY THE AMOUNT IS $54,106. SO, WHEN YOU COMPARE THE TWO, IT WENT FROM $53,871 TO $54,106. SO THE

ANSWER IS YES. BUT YOU WANT THE HISTORY ON IT. >> COMMISSIONER CELLA: MADAM CHAIR, FOR CLARIFICATION THE MONEY IS THE FULL-TIME DEPUTY NOT THE DEPUTY WE BRING IN FOR

MEETINGS? >> SPEAKER: THAT IS CORRECT. AND THAT NEEDS TO BE STRESSED BY

STATUTE. WE HAVE SECURITY THAT'S HERE. >> COMMISSIONER CELLA: AND WE'RE

HAPPY TO HAVE THEM. >> SPEAKER: AND THIS IS FOR THE ADMIN BUILDING AND THE OTHER TWO

CONSTITUTIONALS ALSO. >> COMMISSIONER CELLA: I'LL MAKE A MOVE TO APPROVE.

>> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY AYE. MOTION CARRIES 4-0. NOW WE'LL GO

[18.  Bid #19/20-11, Deceased Persons Transport]

TO 18. CHIEF MOCK. >> SPEAKER: FIRE CHIEF DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC SAFETY.

THIS IS THE DECEASED PERSON TRANSPORT AGREEMENT THAT YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU HAS BEEN AN ONGOING THING. IT HAS BEEN CARRIED INTO THE DEPARTMENT BUDGET FOR MULTIPLE YEARS. THE LAST TIME IT WAS BID WAS IN 2014. IT SKIPSED FOR THREE YEARS WITH TWO RENEWALS. AND THAT AGREEMENT IS NOW EXPIRING. AND SO WE BRING BEFORE YOU THE REVISED RFP THAT WAS PUT OUT. I GUESS WE UNFORTUNATELY OR FORTUNATE DEPENDS HOW YOU LOOK AT IT ONLY HAD ONE BIDDER. IT

[02:15:03]

WAIVING THE PURCHASING POLICY. >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: OKAY. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?

>> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: WHY DIDN'T IT GO TO THE FINANCE COMMITTEE?

>> SPEAKER: BECAUSE WHEN THE BID WAS RECEIVED BACK THE TIMEFRAME WAS SO CLOSE IF WE RUN IT TO THE FINANCE COMMITTEE BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A SECOND MEETING IN DECEMBER WE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO PUT IT IN PLACE BEFORE ITS EXPIRATION OF THE EXISTING AGREEMENT AT THE END OF THIS Y YEAR. SO IT'S REALLY A TIMING SEQUENCE.

>> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? CHAIR WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

>> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: MOVE FOR APPROVAL AND WAIVER OF THE PURCHASING POLICY.

>> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: SECOND. >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: IS THAT SUFFICIENT?

>> SPEAKER: THANK YOU. >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: ALL THOSE IN FAVOR AYE. THE MOTION CARRIES 4-0. ITEM 19. INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT BETWEEN CLAY COUNTY AND PUTNAM COUNTY.

[19.  Interlocal Agreement between Clay County and Putnam County]

I BELIEVE MR. SMITH, ARE YOU GOING TO HANDLE THIS? >> SPEAKER: IT WILL START OFF AND DALE WILL CHIME IN IF YOU NEED FURTHER HELP. SO, THIS IS AN INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT WITH PUTNAM COUNTY. I BELIEVE THE BOARD WAS BRIEFED ON THE MATTER IN CONNECTION WITH A BRIDGE REPLACEMENT BEING DONE IN PUTNAM COUNTY AND, THEREFORE,ING USE CAUSING ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC ON TWO ROADS. THE BELLAMY ROAD AND [INAUDIBLE] ROAD THAT WE JOINTLY MAINTAIN WITH PUTNAM COUNTY.

THE INTERLOCAL IS JUST SPECIFY THE EXTENT OF ANY INCREASED MAINTENANCE THAT WILL BE REQUIRED THAT PUTNAM COUNTY IS GOING TO TAKE A CERTAIN SECTION AND INCREASE MAINTENANCE AND TAKE ON ADDITIONAL RESPONSIBILITIES. THEN WE'RE DOING THE SAME. IT'S JUST

SPECIFYING THAT. >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: OKAY. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS?

>> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: I'LL MOVE FOR APPROVAL. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: SECOND.

>> SPEAKER: THE MATTER WASN'T BROUGHT TO THE FINANCE COMMITTEE BUT WE DID BRIEF THE FINANCE COMMITTE COMMITT COMMITTEE. SO IT NEEDS TO BE

WAIVED. >> COMMISSIONER: MOVE APPROVAL AND WAIVER OF THE FINANCE

COMMITTEE PURCHASING POLICY. >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: SO WE'VE HAD AMENDMENT TO THE

MOTION IS THE SECOND STILL IN PLACE? >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: YES.

SUBM >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY AYE.

MOTION CARRIES 4-0. ITEM 20. APPROVAL OF DEED TO THE TOWN OF ORANGE PARK FOR THE ROB BRADLEY

[20.  Approval of Deed to the Town of Orange Park for the Rob Bradley Conservation Park property, along with approval of the Assignment of Maintenance Agreement to the Town of Orange Park]

AGREEMENT TO THE TOWN OF ORANGE PARK. MS. GRIMM? >> SPEAKER: YES THIS IS, IF YOU WILL RECALL THE BRADLEY CONSERVATION PARK WAS DEEDED TO THE COUNTY QUITE SOMETIME AGO.

IN CONNECTION WITH THAT A MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT WAS ENTERED INTO WITH THE ST. JOHNS RIVER WATER MANAGEMENT. IT IS NOW TIME FOR THE BOARD TO DETERMINE WHETHER TO GO AHEAD AND PASS THE PROPERTY ON TO THE TOWN OF ORANGE PARK. THE DEED WAS PRESENTED TO THE ORANGE PARK TOWN COUNCIL AT THEIR MEETING LAST WEEK AND THEY APPROVED ACCEPTANCE OF IT. IF THE BOARD CHOOSES TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE DEED. THEY ALSO APPROVED THE ASSIGNMENT OF THE MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT THAT WE HAVE THAT NEEDS TO BE TRANSFERRED WITH THE PROPERTY. THOSE WERE PRESENTED

[02:20:02]

TO YOU IF YOU ARE WILLING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE TRANSFER. >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: ANY

QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? >> COMMISSIONER CELLA: JUST A COMMENT. IN TERMS OF THE PASSING OF THE DEED PROPERTY, THAT'S WHAT WE SET OUT TO DO AT THE TIME THAT WE ACCEPTED IT ON BEHALF OF THE TOWN. AND I THINK THIS JUST COMPLETES IT AND COMPLETES IT IN THE SENSE THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT DOING ANY KIND OF MAINTENANCE OR WORRY ABOUT COSTS INCURRED ON THAT PART. AND WE STILL HAVE THE NAME IN PLACE. SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT IS A GOOD

THING AND I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE. >> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: JUST A QUICK QUESTION. OBVIOUSLY, ANY RESIDENT OF CLAY COUNTY WOULD STILL BE ABLE TO VISIT AND IT

WOULDN'T CHANGE VISITATION. >> SPEAKER: IT IS A PUBLIC PARK. >> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: I'LL

SECOND THAT. >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: OKAY WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO TRANSFER THE PROPERTY TO THE TOWN OF ORANGE PARK ALONG WITH THE MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY AYE. THE MOTION CARRIES 4-0. ONE LESS

[21.  Appointment of Canvassing Board member and alternate member, per Florida Statute Section 102.141]

LIABILITY. ITEM 21. >> SPEAKER: SO IN ACCORDANCE WITH FLORIDA STATUTE THE CANVASSING BOARD IS COMPOSED OF VARIOUS PEOPLE ONE OF WHICH IS A MEMBER OF THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS. AND THE SUPERVISOR OF ELECTION IN PREPARATION FOR THE PRESIDENTIAL PRIMARY IN MARCH HAS REQUESTED THAT THE BOARD MOVE FORWARD WITH APPOINTMENT OR SELECTION OF THEIR MEMBERS FOR THE CANVASSING BOARD. SO WE NEED ONE MEMBER TO SERVE AND AN ALTERNATE.

TRADITIONALLY THE CHAIRMAN SERVES AS THE PRIMARY MEMBER WITH AN ALTERNATE DESIGNATED.

>> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: HAVE YOU TALKED WITH MR. HENDRY ABOUT THIS?

>> SPEAKER: YES. I BELIEVE COMMISSIONER HENDRY IS WILLING TO SERVE AS OUR MEMBER AS CHAIR AND ASKED THAT COMMISSIONER CELLA BE WILLING TO SERVE AS THE ALTERNATE IF NEED BE.

>> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: IS THAT OKAY WITH YOU? >> COMMISSIONER CELLA: MY ARM WAS TWISTED ACCORDINGLY AND I SAID YES [LAUGHTER]

>> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: THAT'S HOW MY CONVERSATIONS WENT WHEN I GOT MY ASSIGNMENTS

[LAUGHTER] OKAY. >> SPEAKER: AND JUST FOR COMMISSIONER CELLA. IN YOUR PACKET IS THE DATES. AND IT SPECIFIES.

>> COMMISSIONER CELLA: YOU SENT US THOSE PRIOR TO THAT. >> SPEAKER: THE SUPERVISOR JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE YOU ARE AWARE OF THEM. I'M SURE WE'LL PUT THEM ON COMMISSIONER

HENDRY'S AND COMMISSIONER CELLA'S CALENDAR. >> COMMISSIONER: HUTCH THIS IS

JUST A -- >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: THIS IS JUST A VOLUNTEER AND WE DON'T

HAVE TO VOTE ON IT. >> SPEAKER: RIGHT. >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: ITEM

[22.  Worth International Agreement]

>> SPEAKER: THANK YOU. BEFORE YOU, YOU HAVE -- WE ARE REQUESTING SOLE SOURCE AND ADVANCE PAYMENT FOR AN ADVERTISEMENT THAT WILL BE WITH WORTH INTERNATIONAL. IT'S CALLED UNDISCOVER FLORIDA. YOU HAVE A SAMPLE IN YOUR PACKET. AND IT WILL GO INTO SMITHSONIAN

MAGAZINE AND BE BOTH A PRINT AND DIGITAL AD BUY FOR US. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: IS THAT

THE ACTUAL AD? >> SPEAKER: THAT WAS LAST YEAR'S. LAST YEAR THE AD PRODUCED -- WE ACTUALLY HAVE A VISITOR LIST OF PEOPLE THAT ARE INTERESTED IN CLAY COUNTY AND GETTING MORE INFORMATION. AND THIS AD PRODUCED 600 EMAILS SO THAT WE CAN COMMUNICATE WITH

THEM DIRECTLY. >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM BOARD

MEMBERS? >> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: I'LL MOVE APPROVAL.

>> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: SECOND. >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: ALL THOSE IN FAVOR AYE. OPPOSED?

MOTION CARRIES 4-0. THANK YOU. NOW YOU ARE UP FOR ITEM 23. >> SPEAKER: YES. THE

[23.  STR, LLC Hotel Research Agreement]

THIS REPORT WILL HELP US DO THAT SO YOU CAN SEE WHAT YOUR RETURN ON INVESTMENT IS.

>> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: ALL RIGHT. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: IS THERE

ANYBODY ELSE WHO CAN DO THIS? >> SPEAKER: NO THEY'RE THE ONLY ONES THAT ACTUALLY DO THE PROCESS WHERE THEY CALL EACH INDIVIDUAL HOTEL AND GET THE INFORMATION DIRECTLY FROM THEM.

AND THE REQUEST THAT WE HAVE IS NOT ONLY FOR THAT RESEARCH BUT ALSO FOR A FORECAST REPORT THAT GIVES US LIKE A LOOK AT FUTURE BOOKINGS AND WHERE THE HOTELS ARE IN CERTAIN MONTHS SO THAT HELPS US PLAN ADVERTISING AND MARKETING STRATEGIES FOR THE FUTURE. AND THEN IT ALSO GIVES US A PIPELINE REPORT OF FUTURE HOTEL CONSTRUCTIONS THAT MAY BE IN THE AREA THAT MAY IMPACT

[02:25:08]

OCCUPANCY. >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: OKAY. VERY GOOD. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS

OR COMMENTS? >> COMMISSIONER CELLA: THIS IS FOR 18 MONTHS? THIS IS A MONTHLY

AND QUARTERLY? >> SPEAKER: IT IS A YEAR CONTRACT. AND THEN THE FORECAST

REPORT IS QUARTERLY AND THE PIPELINE REPORT IS QUARTERLY. >> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: MOVE

APPROVAL. >> COMMISSIONER CELLA: SECOND. >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE ITEM 23. FURTHER DISCUSSION? THOSE IN FAVOR AYE. OPPOSED?

MOTION CARRIES 4-0. >> SPEAKER: THANK YOU. >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: ITEM

[24.  Clay County Government Access Channel Broadcasting Policy]

24. >> SPEAKER: GOOD EVENING. ANALISEA WINNER, PUBLIC INFORMATION. WE HAVE PRESENTED SOME SUGGESTED GUIDELINES FOR THE COMCAST CHANNEL 260. THIS IS THE GOVERNMENT ACCESS TELEVISION CHANNEL. AND WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THE BOARD'S APPROVAL TO MOVE FORWARD WITH BROADCASTING. IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS.

>> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: LOOKS LIKE YOU DID SOME THOROUGH WORK. >> COMMISSIONER CELLA: I HAVE TO SAY ANN ELYSA TALKED TO OTHER COUNTIES IN A SIMILAR KIND OF BUSINESS IN TERMS OF BROADCASTING ON THEIR -- NOT ONLY ACCESS CHANNEL IN THIS CASE THROUGH COMCAST PUT ON OUR OWN WEBSITE TO GET SOME IDEAS AND THEN, OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, COMMITTEE THAT WAS PUT TOGETHER CONTRIBUTED IDEAS AS TO WHAT HAPPENS. AGAIN, YOU KNOW, IT'S GOING TO BE SORT OF A LIVING KIND OF ORGANISM. WE MOVE FORWARD, IT'S BEING DONE ON THE CHEAP IN TERMS OF THOSE FOLKS WHO ARE INVOLVED IN WHETHER IT'S SOCIAL MEDIA, WHETHER IT'S ANA LISA OR PEOPLE THAT ARE INVOLVED IN PRODUCING SOME OF THESE THINGS. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE USING TO POPULATE THE TV CHANNEL. SO, THERE'S REALLY NOTHING WE'RE DOING OUT OF THE ORDINARY IN TERMS OF INCURRING COSTS OTHER THAN A VERY SMALL PART OF STAFF FOR THOSE ISSUES. SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S TURNED OUT PRETTY GOOD. I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY'S HAD A CHANCE TO SIT AND WATCH FOR A WHILE BUT, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN DO THAT. WHAT'S INTERESTING IS -- AND THEY DID PUT ON THE WEBSITE IS THE REPEAT TIMES FOR ALL OF THE MEETINGS. SO, FOR EXAMPLE, THIS MEETING TONIGHT WILL BE ON ON A GRID BASIS. I'VE GOT THE GRID HERE. TOMORROW IT WILL BE ON 6:00 A.M. AND 6:00 P.M. THURSDAY 8:00 A.M. AND 8:00 P.M.

FRIDAY 4:00 A.M. AND 4:00 P.M. IF YOU GOT INSOMNIA. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: IN BETWEEN BOARD MEETINGS WE'LL HAVE THE DIFFERENT SLIDES THAT TALK ABOUT DIFFERENT ACTIVITIES. TODAY WE

DO SOMETHING ABOUT HOW TO USE GOV-VA. >> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: I MOVE

FOR APPROVAL. LET'S GO LIVE. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: SECOND. >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: ALL

THOSE IN FAVOR. AYE. MOTION CARRIES 4-0. >> SPEAKER: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

[25.  Acceptance of Maintenance of the Eagle Landing Phase 6 Subdivision]

>> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: NOW TO ITEM NUMBER 25. DALE. >> SPEAKER: THIS IS ACCEPTANCE OF EAGLE LANDING PHASE 6 WHICH IS ON THE WESTERN SIDE OF TYNES. AND IT'S BEEN CONSTRUCTED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE APPROVED PLANS. WE'VE ACCEPTED IT. THE TELEVISION VIDEOS OF ALL THE PIPES, CONSTRUCTION IS GOOD. WE'RE GOING TO ASK WE CREATE AN MSBU NOT FOR THE ENTIRE EAGLE LANDING PHASE 6. IT'S ACTUALLY TWO PODS. AND THE SOUTHERN POD CONNECTS UP EAGLE LANDING PHASE 6 WITH THE MAIN PART OF EAGLE LANDING WHICH GIVES US THE BACK WAY OUT OF EAGLE LANDING WHICH WILL LESSEN SOME OF THAT TRAFFIC ON OAK LEAF PLANTATION. SO, I'M ASKING YOU ALL TO ACCEPT IT FOR MAINTENANCE WITH THE PROVISIONS THAT AN MSBU BE CREATED FOR THE 69 LOTS THAT ARE IN THE NORTHERN

POD OF EAGLE LANDING PHASE 6. >> SPEAKER: SO IT WOULD BE EXCLUDING THE EAGLE ROCK ROAD

THAT'S PART OF THIS SUBDIVISION. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: SO THAT BACK ROAD WILL MAINTAIN?

>> SPEAKER: WE'LL MAINTAIN BECAUSE IT'S TRULY A PASS THREW. AND -- PASS THROUGH. AND IT BECOMES BASICALLY A LOCAL COLLECTOR FROM THE SOUTHERN PART OF THE EAGLE OVERALL

DEVELOPMENT. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: THE REST OF THE SUBDIVISION ROADS UNDER

AN MSBU. >> SPEAKER: YES, SIR. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: I'LL MOVE

FOR APPROVAL. >> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: SECOND. >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: ALL

THOSE IN FAVOR. THE MOTION CARRIES 4-0. ITEM 26. >> SPEAKER: IT IS ANOTHER PHASE

[26.  Acceptance of Maintenance of the Pine Ridge Plantation West Subdivision]

BUILT IN ACCORDANCE WITH YOUR PLANS. IT WAS, YOU KNOW, A SUBDIVISION THAT ACTUALLY WAS ON THE BOOKS, STARTED YEARS AGO BECAUSE THE DEVELOPMENT HAD STOPPED. THEY'VE RECENTLY PICKED IT UP AND HAVE COMPLETED IT. WE'RE ASKING THAW ACCEPT THAT ONE ALSO. BUILT IN

[02:30:06]

>> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: WHOSE DISTRICTS IT? IT'S MINE. BUT I THINK I GOT TO UNDERSTAND IT.

WE'RE NOT GOING TO -- THIS IS GOING TO BE MSBU ROADS ALL THE WAY RIGHT?

>> SPEAKER: YES, SIR. >> COMMISS >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: IT SAYS

ACCEPTANCE OF MAINTENANCE. >> SPEAKER: IN OTHER WORDS I'M GOING TO MAINTAIN THE STORM WATER SYSTEM. AND I WILL MAINTAIN THE ROADWAYS. BUT THE DEVELOPMENT WILL PAY FOR IT. IN OTHER WORDS, THE SIDEWALK, THE CURB AND GUTTERS, YOU KNOW, AS WE'RE COLLECTING MONEY FOR THE RESURFACING IF I NEED TO PATCH THE ROAD I'LL CHARGE IT AGAINST THE MSBU. IF, YOU KNOW, THE CURB AND GUTTER BREAKS UP OR THE SIDEWALK BREAKS UP I'LL REPAIR IT AND THAT WILL BE CHARGED AGAINST THE MSBU. SO I AM GOING TO DO THE MAINTENANCE BUT, YOU KNOW, THE FUNDING SOURCE WILL

COME FROM THE MSBU. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: SO IN THE FUTURE THE WAY THESE WILL COME TO US IF THE COUNTY IS GOING TO DO THE MSBU AND YOU ARE GOING TO DO THE PHYSICAL MAINTENANCE IT WILL SAY ACCEPT MAINTENANCE WITH THE MSBU? WHEN I FIRST READ THIS MY RADAR WENT OFF AND I SAID WOW, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT GOING DO THAT. AND AS OPPOSED TO THE OTHER ALTERNATIVE WHICH WOULD BE THEY'RE GOING TO DO THE MAINTENANCE WITH THEIR CDD OR THEIR HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION

RIGHT? >> SPEAKER: RIGHT. WE'VE HAD TWO CCD'S ACCEPT THE FULL MAINTENANCE AND ACTUALLY TURNED CROSS CREEK AND WILFORD PRESERVE PRIVATE.

>> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: THIS WILL COME TO US AND WON'T SAY ACCEPT MAINTENANCE.

>> SPEAKER: ON A PRIVATE SUBDIVISION IT DOESN'T COME TO THE BOARD WE JUST MONITOR THE CONSTRUCTION AND I OFFER A M MEMORANDUM FOR RECORD SAYING IT'S BUILT IN ACCORDANCE WITH

THE APPROVED PLANS. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: ALL RIGHT. I'LL MOVE FOR APPROVAL.

>> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: SECOND. >> COMMISSIONER: I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR AYE. MOTION CARRIES 4-0. NUMBER 27. RESOLUTION REQUESTING FDOT PROVIDE FOR A

[27.  Resolution requesting FDOT provide for a bicycle lane and pedestrian walkway on both spans of the Black Creek Bridge located on US 17]

BICYCLE LANE AND PEDESTRIAN WALKWAY -- >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: I WANTED TO

SPEAK ON THE LAST ONE. >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: OH GOSH. DID YOU TURN A CARD IN.

>> PUBLIC SPEAKER: YES, MA'AM I DID. GIVE ME THE NAME. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: DOUGLAS

[INAUDIBLE]. >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: COME UP. I DO REMEMBER SEEING A

DOUGLAS. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: I WAS HERE LAST TIME WITH PINE RIDGE EAST.

>> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: I HAVE IT RIGHT HERE. SORRY ABOUT THAT.

>> PUBLIC SPEAKER: THAT'S OKAY. THIS IS A 12-YEAR-OLD SUBDIVISION. IT IS THE LAST OF THE LAST PHASES. YOU KNOW, I WAS MUCH MORE HANDSOME AND YOUNGER WHEN THIS THING STARTED.

PART OF THIS PROJECT I THINK SOMEBODY CAN CORRECT ME -- DALE CAN CORRECT ME, BUT WE ACTUALLY DESIGNED AND SET UP TYNES BOULEVARD WHICH THEN LED TO TRAIL RIDGE BEING IMPROVED, WHICH THEN LED TO EAGLE LANDING HAVING A BACK WAY OUT WITHOUT HAVING TO GO THROUGH BANDON FIELD CHAFFEY. WE DID THAT. WE WORKED WITH THE OTHER FOLKS AND GOT THAT DONE. THE REST OF THE SUBDIVISION IS NOT UNDER AN MSBU SO WE'RE HOPING THAT, YOU KNOW, BEING THE LAST PHASE WE'D GET

THIS DONE AS WELL. >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: WELL UNFORTUNATELY NUMBER ONE WE DON'T NORMALLY INTERACT TO PEOPLE THAT COME UP AND SPEAK. IT'S JUST YOU COME UP AND HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY. DALE CAN ADDRESS WHAT OUR ACTION WAS THAT WE JUST TOOK IN A PRIVATE

CONVERSATION. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: OKAY. >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: THANK YOU. OKAY. HE'LL BE AVAILABLE IN JUST A FEW MINUTES IF YOU HAVE THE TIME TO WAIT. ALL

RIGHT MR. SMITH, ITEM 27. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: FDOT IS LOOKING FOR FUNDING TO COMPLETE THE MULTI-USE PATH, YOU KNOW, THE PART THAT'S ON FLEMING ISLAND TO CONNECT IT UP WITH WHEN THEY CONSTRUCTED A FEW YEARS AGO FROM GREEN COVE SPRINGS NORTH TO BALL ROAD. AND THEY NEEDED SUPPORT AND WHAT THEY REALLY WANTED WAS FOR IT TO BE PUT ON OUR T. O. P. NEEDS LIST. THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN UNTIL JANUARY. I WAS ASKED IF WE COULD GET A RESOLUTION FROM THE CHEMIST SUPPORTING THIS PROJECT. AND THEY'RE GOING TO USE THAT AS THEY MOVE FORWARD WITH FUNDING.

>> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: FDOT ASKED YOU TO ASK US? >> SPEAKER: JIM KNIGHT DID.

CALLED ME PERSONALLY. >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: WELL HE DOESN'T ASK FOR MUCH FROM US.

WE'RE USUALLY ASKING FOR THINGS FROM HIM [LAUGHTER]

OKAY. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: THIS WAS A STEPHANIE DEAL I THINK IN THE

PAST. I'M NOT SURE WHAT HAPPENED. >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: WHAT

IS THE PLEASURE OF THE BOARD? >> COMMISSIONER CELLA: I HAVE A QUESTION IN TERMS OF THE BICYCLE LANE AND PEDESTRIAN WALKWAY. IT SAYS ON BOTH SPANS. IS THAT BOTH SIDES OF THE SPAN? BECAUSE,

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YOU KNOW, THE WALKWAY IS ONLY ON ONE SIDE. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: AND IT SHOULD

BE ON ONE SIDE. SO WE NEED TO CORRECT THAT. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: BECAUSE I WAS LIKE -- HOW ARE NAY GOING DO THAT? ARE THEY TAKING AWAY THE BREAKDOWN LANE?

>> SPEAKER: I ASKED MR. KNIGHT AND HE SAID A PLAN HAS NOT BEEN PREPARED. I WAS HOPING I COULD COME TO YOU WITH A TYPICAL CROSS SECTION. THIS IS TO START THE PROCESS AND, YOU KNOW, TYPICALLY THEY'LL HAVE ENGINEERING. CONSTRUCTION WILL PROBABLY BE SEVERAL YEARS OUT.

>> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: OKAY. >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?

>> COMMISSIONER CELLA: I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE. >> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: SECOND.

>> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: ALL THOSE IN FAVOR. THE MOTION CARRIES 4-0. ITEM 28.

[28.  Memorandum of Agreement-Florida Department of Corrections]

MEMORANDUM OF AGREEMENT. >> SPEAKER: TROY NAGLE DIRECTOR OF ANIMAL SERVICES. THIS IS A MEMORANDUM OF AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF CORRECTIONS AND PLAY COUNTY TO HAVE A BEHAVIORAL TRAINING PROGRAM AT THE PRISON IN PUTNAM COUNTY. THE CURRENT ENTITY THAT'S DOING THE BEHAVIORAL PROGRAM IS NO LONGER ABLE TO DO IT AND PUTNAM COUNTY REACHED OUT -- THE FACILITY REACHED OUT TO US AND ASKED IF WE'D LIKE TO PARTICIPATE AND BE THE PROVIDER OF THEIR ANIMALS. IN FRONT OF YOU IS THE MEMEOR AND ASME OF AGREEMENT. COUPLE THINGS IN REGARDS TO THIS. IN HERE THIS IS THEIR STANDARD LANGUAGE SO IT TALKS ABOUT US DOING THE BEHAVIORAL TRAINING. THEY HAVE SOMEBODY ON SITE THAT DOES THEIR BEHAVIORAL TRAINING. AND WE WOULD BE SIGNING OFF ON THEIR PROGRAM. SO WE WOULD NOT HAVE STAFF PHYSICALLY ON THE SITE DOING THE TRAINING. I KNOW COURTNEY AND I TALKED ABOUT THAT AND I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WAS CLEAR. WE WOULD PROVIDE DONATED FOOD TO THEM. BECAUSE WE HAVE TO PROVIDE THE FOOD AND VET CARE FOR THE ANIMALS IN THEIR FACILITY. THE FOOD WE WOULD PROVIDE IS FOOD BEING DONATED TO THE COUNTY BY THE PUBLIC. THIS WOULD HOUSE ABOUT 20-30 ANIMALS THROUGHOUT

THE YEAR. >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: THE DOGS THAT GO THERE, ONCE THEY GO

THERE THEY DON'T COME BACK? >> SPEAKER: THEY HAVE ABOUT AN 80% ADOPTION RATE. ANY ANIMAL THEY DID BRING BACK WOULD BE CERTIFIED UNDER THE CANINE GOOD CITIZEN PROGRAM. AND SO THEN IF THE ANIMAL DID COME BACK AND WASN'T ADOPTED IT WOULD BE A HIGHLY ADOPTABLE ANIMAL BECAUSE IT'S BEEN TRAINED AND GONE THROUGH THE BEHAVIORAL. IF YOU DECIDE TO APPROVE THIS I WOULD ASK THAT YOU WAIVE ANY PURCHASING POLICIES AS APPLICABLE.

>> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: OKAY. ALL RIGHT. ANY QUESTIONS? >> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: MOVE FOR APPROVAL IF NO ONE HAS QUESTIONS. AND WAIVER OF THE APPLICABLE PURCHASING POLICIES.

>> COMMISSIONER CELLA: SECOND. >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN

FAVOR -- SORRY, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING? >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: HAVE WE

EXPLORED DOING THIS AT OUR JAIL? >> SPEAKER: LIKE I SAID, WE REALLY HAVEN'T HAD THE CONVERSATION WITH OUR FACILITY. THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING WE COULD DO. PUTNAM ACTUALLY APPROACHED US TO TAKE OVER THIS PROGRAM FROM THE PEOPLE THAT WERE DOING IT IN THE PAST.

>> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: KUDOS A GOOD IDEA FOR A SHERIFF CANDIDATE TO COME UP WITH RIGHT

[LAUGHTER] >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: ALL RIGHT. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR AYE.

THE MOTION CARRIES 4-0. >> COMMISSIONER CELLA: THANK YOU, TROY. GREAT OUT OF THE BOX

WAY TO KEEP MOVING OUR ANIMALS OUT TO PRIVATE HOMES. >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: NOW

[COUNTY MANAGER/CLERK OF THE BOARD]

THE COUNTY MANAGER, DO YOU HAVE A REPORT? >> YES, MA'AM. JUST COUPLE OF THINGS. FIRST OF ALL, I THINK IT WAS SOME INFORMATION THAT'S BEEN SPREAD AROUND WITH REGARDS TO SCHOOL CROSSING GUARDS. THAT HAS BEEN HANDLED. THIS MORNING I MET WITH JOHN WARD AND KENNY STIVERS. THOSE SEVEN SCHOOL CROSSING GOOD FORS THAT WERE REMOVED ABOUT A WEEK OR TWO AAGO. THOSE POSITIONS WILL BE COVERED. AND WE HAVE A STANDING COMMITTEE MEETING. IT STARTED LAST MONTH. THE NEXT COMMITTEE MEETING -- IT IS A SCHOOL CROSSING COMMITTEE MEETING, AS A MATTER OF FACT -- WILL BE ON THE 19TH ON THURSDAY FROM 10 TO 11:30 WITH ALL THE KEY STAKEHOLDERS TO DISCUSS THIS. JUST WANTED TO INFORM THE BOARD ON ANYTHING THEY HAD HEARD ABOUT

THAT AND LET YOU ALL KNOW THAT IT WAS TAKEN CARE OF. >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: WHAT

DAY? >> THE 19TH. ON THURSDAY. IT'S RUN BY JOHN WARD IS CHAIRING IT AND HAS ALL THE APPROPRIATE STAKEHOLDERS EVEN FROM THE MUNICIPALITIES.

>> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: WHAT KIND OF MONEY ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? >> FOR SCHOOL CROSSING GUARDS? SO,, WE HAD DONE A CALCULATION. MIKE AND I TOOK A CLOSE LOOK AT THIS. IT WAS $12,000 PER FOR 57 POSITIONS. I THINK IT WAS $648,000. AND PLEASE, I'M DOING PUBLIC MATH ON THAT ONE. SO,

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REQUIREMENTS, HAZARDOUS CONDITIONS THAT WE NEED TO TAKE A LOOK AT, AND REALLY GET THOSE ALL UP TO SPEED ACROSS THE BOARD WITH REGARDS TO TRAFFIC, FLOW OF TRAFFIC, MARKINGS, PAVEMENT MARKINGS, LIGHTING, ALL OF THAT ACROSS. SO, ONCE AGAIN IT'S NOT JUST ONE MAGIC FORCE FIELD THAT'S GOING TO PROTECT OUR CHILDREN AS THEY WALK TO SCHOOL. IT IS A LAYERED DEFENSE OF WHICH WE TAKE A LOOK AT THAT WITH REGARD TO SAFETY ON HOW. AND WHY I ASK FOR THIS COMMITTEE TO

BE ESTABLISHED AND LAST MONTH WAS OUR FIRST ONE. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: THANK YOU FOR STEPPING UP. I GOT CALLS FROM THE SUPERINTENDENT WHO WASN'T EVEN NOTIFIED THEY WERE

GOING TO BE CUT >> AND I DIDN'T GET NOTIFIED EITHER, COMMISSIONER.

>> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: I GOT HOOKED BY THE CHAIRMAN OF THE SCHOOL BOARD AT LUNCH TODAY.

SO, THIS IS A BIG DEAL. THE $650,000, IS THAT A LINE ITEM IN THE SHERIFF'S BUDGET?

>> IT IS PART OF THEIR REQUESTED BUDGET THAT THEY ASK -- WITHIN THEIR ASK. SO, IT IS NOT A LINE

ITEM, NO. IT'S PART OF THEIR TOTAL AMOUNT OF THE BUDGET. >> IT'S INCLUDED WITHIN THEIR

LAW ENFORCEMENT SALARIES. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: IF WE WANTED TO MAKE AN ADJUSTMENT IN

THAT, COULD WE DO IT FOR THIS YEAR? >> YOU COULD NOT.

>> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: WE'D HAVE TO DO IT THE NEXT CYCLE >> IF YOU WISH --

>> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: I'M ASKING IF WE CAN DO THAT. THANK YOU. COMMISSION CELLA TWO THINGS. ONE I HAVE TO COMPLIMENT HOWARD. I POUND OUT ABOUT IT YESTERDAY MORNING AND BROUGHT IT TO HIS ATTENTION. I WAS NOTIFIED AND THEN GOT EMAILS ON IT. AND I HAVE TO GIVE HOWARD A LOT OF CREDIT. HE JUMPED IN BOTH FEET AMONGST ALL THE OTHER THINGS HE WAS HANDLING AND WAS ABLE TO GET RIGHT TO THE RIGHT PEOPLE AT THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT SO WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT AND GET THAT RECTIFIED. THE OTHER THING IS THAT IF I AM NOT MISTAKEN FULL 57 POSITIONS WERE

IN THE BUDGET LAST YEAR WEREN'T THEY >> THAT IS CORRECT.

>> COMMISSIONER CELLA: BOTTOM LINE IS THEY NEEDED TO BE THERE AGAIN. AND YOUR AGREEMENT TOSS

HOLD THOSE THROUGHOUT THE COURSE OF THIS YEAR >> THAT'S CORRECT. THERE IS A DEBATE WHETHER IT SHOULD BE 50 OR 57. THAT'S PART OF WHAT THE COMMITTEE NEEDS TO DISCUSS.

>> COMMISSIONER CELLA: THE COMMITTEE THAT YOU FOUND OUT YOU CHAIRED BEFORE YOU KNEW IT WAS

IN EXISTENCE. >> YES, SIR. AND THAT WAS THAT. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE A COMMENT WITH REGARDS TO SECURITY WITHIN THE BUILDING ALSO. THERE'S BEEN A BIT OF QUESTION ON THAT. AS JAMES, JUST TO BACK UP WHAT JAMES HOUSEHOLDER SAID. WITHIN THE MEMORANDUM OF AGREEMENT BROUGHT FORWARD, I ASKED THE COUNTY ATTORNEY TO MAKE ADJUSTMENTS TO THE MEMORANDUM OF AGREEMENT THAT WE RECEIVED FROM THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE. AND THE BOTTOM LINE TO THAT WAS MAYBE THERE IS A LITTLE BIT OF CONFUSION, I BELIEVE, WITH REGARDS TO TRANSFER OF MONEY OR FUNDING OF THAT POSITION. AND I CAN ASSURE YOU I'VE TAKEN A CLOSE LOOK AT THAT, AGAIN, WITH OUR COUNTY AUDITOR IN LOOKING AT THE LINE ITEM UNDER PERSONAL SERVICES AS JAMES BRIEFED YOU ALL ON THAT AMOUNT. AND THAT AMOUNT IS CLEARLY IN THAT LINE FROM THIS BUDGET. IT WASN'T BROKEN OUT AS A LINE ITEM. I WILL POINT THAT OUT. WITHIN THE BUDGET, IF YOU LOOK AT THAT NUMBER IN THERE. BUT IT IS CLEARLY IN THE PERSONAL SERVICES LINE. AND IT WAS THERE. I WANTED TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE KNEW THAT. OTHER THAN THAT, THE LAST THING I HAVE IS JUST THIS LAST BOARD MEETING OF THE YEAR. AND THE LAST ONE BEFORE CHRISTMAS. SO, I'D LIKE TO WISH EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU A MERRY CHRISTMAS. AND THANK YOU. I'M HONORED TO BE YOUR COUNTY

MANAGER AND GOING INTO 2020. MORE THINGS TO COME. THANK YOU. >> COMMISSIONER CELLA: THANK

YOU, HOWARD. >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: MRS. GRIMM DID YOU HAVE

[COUNTY ATTORNEY]

ANYTHING? >> A QUICK UPDATE ON THE SOLITE MEETING LAST WEEK FOR YOUR INFORMATION COMMISSIONER HENDRY, SHARICE, ED AND I PARTICIPATED IN THE CALL. THE DEP HAS SET A JANUARY 15TH DEADLINE FOR SOLITE TO PROVIDE A SCHEDULE OF HOW THEY INTEND TO COMPLETE ASSESSMENT WORK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE. AND THERE AFTER INCORPORATE A PLAN TO CONTINUE OR MOVE FORWARD WITH THE REMEDIATION. THERE WERE NOT ANY DECISIONS MADE AS TO WHAT NEEDED TO BE DONE AT A RESIDENTIAL LEVEL VERSUS INDUSTRIAL COMMERCIAL LEVEL. THE DEP REPRESENTATIVES WANTED TO WAIT UNTIL THE TRUE ASSESSMENTS ARE DONE TO FINALIZE THAT DETERMINATION. SO WE WON'T KNOW ANYTHING MORE ABOUT THE SCHEDULE UNTIL MID-JANUARY AND THEN IT

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WILL JUST BE A PROCESS MOVING FORWARD. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: JUST

GRIND ON. >> COMMISSIONER CELLA: REFRESH MY MEMORY IF YOU WOULD IN TERMS OF THE REPORT THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO DO ABOUT THE FISH POPULATION IN THE POND?

>> THAT WAS DONE I THINK, WHAT, THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR, MAYBE IN FEBRUARY OR MARCH. AND THAT REPORT CAME BACK CLEAN AND CLEAR. SO THEY AREN'T REQUIRING ANY FURTHER TESTING IN

CONNECTION WITH THAT. >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: I THINK THEY ALSO TESTED THE FISH AT THE MOUTH OF THE -- THERE'S LIKE A TRIBUTARY THAT GOES INTO BLACK CREEK. WAS IT THERE AND

NOT THE POND? >> I DON'T THINK IT WAS THE POND. I THINK IT WAS --

>> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: THAT TRIBUTARY. YEAH. YEAH. OKAY. THANK YOU FOR THAT. ALL RIGHT.

NOTHING ELSE? OKAY. WE'VE ALREADY DONE YOUR TIME CERTAIN. WE HAVE A LETTER FOR ACTION.

[31.  Discussion of Reappointment to the Tourism Development Council - Marina Mathews]

APPOINTMENT -- >> COMMISSIONER CELLA: REAPPOINTMENT TO THE TDC.

MARINA MATTHEWS. SHE IS EMPLOYED AT MOOSE HAVEN AND TAKES CARE OF THEIR EVENTS THERE. AND SHE'S BEEN A TERRIFIC MEMBER OF THE TDC AND IS WORKING WITH KIMBERLY ACTUALLY TO BRINGING THE NATIONAL CHILI COOK-OFF COMPETITION TO MOOSE HAVEN IN

THE NEXT COUPLE YEARS. SO, WE'D LOVE TO HAVE HER BACK. >> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: MOVE

FOR APPROVAL. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: SECOND. >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND TO REAPPOINT. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIG SIGNIFY BY AYE. THE MOTION CARRIES 4-0. ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE SOME LETTERS FOR DOCUMENTATION. WE'LL MOVE NOW TO THE NEXT PUBLIC COMMENT. AND

[PUBLIC COMMENTS]

THE FIRST PERSON IS JOHN STANGLE. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS. JOHN STANGLE 1856 INDIAN RIVER DRIVE. I PERSONALLY AM REAL EXCITED ABOUT THE NEW STOPLIGHT THAT'S GOING IN ON THE CORNER OF INDIAN RIVER AND US220. THAT IS MY HOUSE. I HEAR THE NOISES FROM THE ACCIDENTS AND CAN'T MY MOTHER DRIVE OUT THAT DIRECTION SHE IS 82. THAT'S A REAL EXCITING PROJECT. I UNDERSTAND FROM COMMISSIONER CELLA THAT THE PROJECT COULD BE MAYBE CONSIDERED AS TWOFOLD IN THAT RIGHT AREA AS FAR AS WE'RE GOING TO DO THE STOPLIGHT FIRST THEN SECONDARY REASSESS IF WE HAVE TO STOP THE WESTBOUND TURN FLOW OF TRAFFIC ON U.S. 220 FROM OLD HARD ROAD. IF THAT DOES GET IMPLEMENTED IN THE RIVER BEND NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE I LIVE, THE NEIGHBORS AND I ARE QUITE CONCERNED THAT, LIKE A RIVER FLOWS, IF WE BLOCK OFF ONE AREA ALL THE WATER IS GOING TO START COMING THROUGH OUR STABLE EXISTING NEIGHBORHOOD. IT SEEMS LIKE THERE COULD BE SOME SIMPLE WAYS TO RESOLVE THAT AND I DID SEND A LETTER WITH SOME PHOTOGRAPHS TO COMMISSIONER CELLA WITH SOME, WHAT I CONSIDERED PROBABLY STANDARD IDEAS. HOWEVER, ON ALL OF THE DOCUMENTS AND IMAGES THAT I SEE, I DON'T SEE THAT THAT'S BEEN ADDRESSED. SO I PERCEIVE THAT IS GOING BE A PROBLEM. AND IF WE DO HAVE TO COMPLETE THAT PROJECT, STOPPING THOSE CARS FROM TURNING LEFT, WE'RE HOPING THAT SOMETHING CAN BE DONE TO PREVENT THEM FROM COMING THROUGH OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND ALL STOPPING IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE AS THEY TRY TO GET OUT THE NEW SIGNAL. SO, THANK YOU FOR

LISTENING AND I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU GUYS DO. >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: THANK

YOU. HAVE A GOOD EVENING. AND THE FINAL CARD IS FOR MR. AUTO. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: JAMES AUTO SEX TOYS OF CLAY COUNTY FLORIDA. AGAIN, GLAD TO HEAR THE SCHOOLS BEING TALKED ABOUT. MR. CELLA WAS WRONG, WE CAN TALK ABOUT THE SCHOOL BOARD HERE AT OUR BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS WITH SOB'S. I DID WANT TO SPEAK ON NUMBER 26. YOU WERE LETTING OTHER PEOPLE FROM THE PUBLIC SPEAK ON THAT. IN REFERENCE TO THE MSBUS, THOSE ARE USING TAX DOLLARS, RIGHT. THEY'RE MATCHING FUNDS OR WHATNOT. NO MONEY. OKAY. THAT'S GOOD. OKAY. SO A LOT OF STUFF I WANT TO TALK ABOUT. I'M GOING TO BE IN TALLAHASSEE IN JANUARY FOR SESSION. PAGAN HOLIDAYS, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD BE BEST NOT TO LIE TO YOUR KIDS THEN EXPECT THEM TO LISTEN TO YOU ABOUT ALCOHOL AND SEX. I MEAN, THE EASTER BUNNY, SANTA CLAUS, ALL THIS KIND OF STUFF, LET'S START

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>> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: MR. AUTO, YOUR TIME HAS EXPENDED.

>> COMMISSIONER CELLA: MERRY CHRISTMAS, MR. AUTO. >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: WE'LL

MOVE ON TO COMMISSIONER COMMENTS AND WE'LL START WITH MR. BOLLA. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: I JUST

[COMMISSIONERS' COMMENTS]

WHAT THIS IS ALL ABOUT IN THE END. AND HAVE A GOOD ONE. >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: VERY

GOOD. MR. CELLA? >> COMMISSIONER CELLA: I WOULD ECHO THOSE COMMENTS. SINCE WE'RE WRAPPING UP THE YEAR, THANK OUR STAFF. THANK OUR NEW COUNTY MANAGER. YOU KNOW, WE COULDN'T HAVE I DON'T THINK PICKED A BETTER GUY TO MAN THAT -- PERSON THAT OFFICE. APPRECIATE ALL THE WORK HE'S DONE AND THE STAFF FOR FILLING IN IN THE FIRST SIX MONTHS OF THE YEAR BEFORE WE GOT THEM IN PLACE. AND I'VE SAID IT BEFORE, THANKS TO ACTING COUNTY MANAGER, PROJECT MANAGER, CHIEF MOCK, HE IS STILL GOING TO THE NEW YEAR. HE'S STILL GOT MORE TITLES THAN ANYBODY I KNOW.

>> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: UNTIL YOU GET ANIMAL CARE AND CONTROL YOU ARE DOING GOOD

[LAUGHTER] >> COMMISSIONER CELLA:. IF TROY IS GOING TO GIVE THAT UP. I WOULD RUN QUICK. THANKS VERY MUCH. WE APPRECIATE WHAT YOU DO FOR US. I KNOW WE SAY IT AT THE MEETINGS BUT I CARRY THAT VERY CLOSE TO THE HEART ALL YEAR FOR WHAT YOU GUYS DO AND HOW YOU DO IT FOR US. SO I APPRECIATE THAT. AND MERRY CHRISTMAS AND HAPPY NEW YEAR'S TO EVERYBODY IN

CLAY COUNTY. >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: THANK YOU. MR. ROLLINS?

>> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: JUST LIKE TO ECHO THE COMMENTS. APPRECIATE THE STAFF AND ALL YOUR HARD WORK ON EVERYTHING. AND MERRY CHRISTMAS TO EVERYONE. XH

>> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: I JUST WANT TO REMIND EVERYONE THERE WILL BE IN FOURTH TUESDAY MEETING. WE MEET ONLY ONCE IN DECEMBER. WE'LL SEE YOU IN JANUARY ON THE 14TH AND LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING EVERYBODY THEN. HOPE YOU HAVE A MERRY CHRI

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