[00:00:02] >> CHAIRMAN CELLA: GOOD AFTERNOON. IF I COULD HAVE EVERY STAND BEFORE WE GET STARTED THIS AFTERNOON. WE'RE GOING HAVE THE INVOCATION FROM COMMISSIONER HENDRY AND THEN BRYAN MANUEL WILL HANDLE OUR PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. FIRST, COMMISSIONER HENDRY? >> COMMISSIONER HENDRY: OH GOD I HELP OUR AGES PAST OUR HOPE FOR YEARS TO COME WE'VE ACKNOWLEDGES YOU AS THE GRAND ARCHITECT OF OUR UNIVERSE AND GIVER OF ALL GOOD THINGS. MAY WE ASK YOUR BLESSINGS ON WHAT WE DO TODAY IN ACCORDANCE TO THY WILL AND YOUR FORGIVENESS FOR THOSE THINGS THAT WE MAY DO AMISS. IN TWO DAYS TIME, WE'LL CELEBRATE THE HOLIDAY OF THANKSGIVING AS DICTATED OR DEIGNED BY OUR FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. BUT WE MAYBE BE MINDFUL IN DOING SO THAT WE MAY DO IT THE OTHER DAYS OF THE YEAR DEAR LORD NOT JUST ON THAT ONE PARTICULAR DAY. MAY WE USE IT AS A TEMPLATE TO GIVE THANKS TO YOU FOR THE MERCY THAT YOU GIVE US FOR THE BLESSINGS YOU GIVE US AND WE'LL ALWAYS BE IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE THINGS THAT YOU ASK US TO DO. IN YOUR SON'S NAME, AMEN. >> CHAIRMAN CELLA: SEVERAL MONTHS BACK WE STARTED THE TRADITION OF INVITING EITHER VETERANS OR ACTIVE MILITARY IN TO HELP US WITH OUR PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE BEFORE THE MEETING. TODAY I'M PLEASED TO INTRODUCE BRYAN MANUEL. BRYAN'S ACTIVE DUTY NAVY. 19 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE. IN FACT, A COUPLE OF NOTES ABOUT BRYAN. HE WAS STATIONED ON THE SPRUENCA DURING 9/11 AND SPENT TWO MONTHS OFF THE COAST OF NEW YORK AFTER THAT ATTACK. HE WAS ON THE DWIGHT D. EISENHOWER AND DEPLOYED AS THE GENTLEMAN IN CHARGE OF SEARCH AND RESCUE SMALL BOAT OPERATIONS. HE IS NOW AT NAHJAX AND IS INVOLVED IN RESCUE TEAM OPERATIONS. I'D LIKE TO INVITE BRYAN UP TO LEAD US IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. IF YOU WOULD COME UP TO THE MICROPHONE. ALLEGIANCE.] >> CHAIRMAN CELLA: CAN WE GIVE BRYAN A BIG HAND FOR HIS SERVICE? [APPLAUSE] BRYAN, DON'T GO AWAY, WE'VE GOT A CERTIFICATE WE'D LIKE TO AWARD YOU TO COMMEMORATE THE DAY. WE'VE GOT PICTURES. WE GOT IT ALL HERE FOR YOU. VERY GOOD. THANKS AGAIN. >> SPEAKER: THANK YOU. [APPLAUSE] >> CHAIRMAN CELLA: PLEASE BE SEATED. AT THIS TIME I'D LIKE [CALL TO ORDER] TO CALL THIS MEETING OF THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS TO ORDER. IT'S NOVEMBER 26, 2019. >> COMMISSIONER: POINT OF ORDER. IT'S ALWAYS BEEN TRADITION OF OUR GROUP ANY ONE COMMISSIONER CAN PUT AN ITEM ON THE AGENDA FOR DISCUSSION. I'D LIKE TO THINK ABOUT THE COROLLARY TO THAT WHERE THREE COMMISSIONERS COULD REMOVE AB ITEM FROM THE AGENDA AT THE BEGINNING OF A MEETING. I'M WONDERING IF I COULD GET A SECOND. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO REMOVE ITEM 9 FROM DISCUSSION TODAY. >> CHAIRMAN CELLA: BEFORE WE GO WITH THAT, AS BOARD MEMBERS KNOW, AND MAYBE THE AUDIENCE DOESN'T KNOW, WE RUN SORT OF A HYBRID OF OUR OWN RULES AND POLICY AND THE ROBERTS RULES. AND IN TERMS OF POINT OF ORDER THAT'S USUALLY RESERVED FOR A POLICY OR RULES VIOLATION. SO, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO POINT THAT OUT, I'D BE GLAD TO ENTERTAIN THAT. BUT POINT OF ORDER IN ROBERTS RULES IS JUST WHAT I SAID. SO, I MEAN, IS THERE SOMETHING THAT YOU THINK HAS BEEN VIOLATED IN TERMS OF PLACING THE ITEM ON THE AGENDA >> COMMISSIONER: WELL I JUST FELT THAT IT'S CERTAINLY THE RIGHT OF ANY COMMISSIONER TO PUT AN ITEM ON THE AGENDA. BUT IF THE REST OF THE COMMISSIONERS, LET'S SAY THREE COMMISSIONERS FEEL IT'S NOT APPROPRIATE TO BE ON THE AGENDA, I THINK THERE OUGHT TO BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO REMOVE IT AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING BEFORE IT GOES GOI GOING. >> SECOND. >> CHAIRMAN CELLA: SECOND NEEDS TO BE ON THE BOARD THOUGH. THANK YOU APPRECIATE YOUR PARTICIPATION. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: WE'VE HAD TWO OR THREE OF THESE COME UP WHERE THEY'RE ISSUES THAT I DON'T KNOW THAT THE COMMISSION SHOULD BE ADDRESSING DIRECTLY. AND I'M JUST MAKING -- TRYING TO MAKE AN ISSUE HERE OF MAYBE A POLICY CHANGE BUT I'D LIKE TO MAKE THE MOTION THAT WE REMOVE IT. IF I CAN GET A SECOND, THAT WOULD BE GREAT. IF NOT, WE'LL CARRY ON. >> CHAIRMAN CELLA: BEFORE YOU HAVE A SECOND LET ME EXPLAIN HOW THAT WORKS. POINT OF ORDER, IF WE'RE GOING -- SINCE WE DON'T HAVE A POLICY IN PLACE FOR THAT, WE'LL HAVE TO FALL BACK TO SOME KIND OF POLICY OR SOME KIND OF RULES. AND WE'LL GO ROBERTS RULES. THOSE ARE USUALLY [00:05:05] DECIDED ON BY THE CHAIR. YOU KNOW, WE DO HAVE THAT POLICY WHERE A COMMISSIONER CAN PUT ANY ITEM ON THE AGENDA. IT'S OUR OWN TRADITION ONCE IT'S ON THE AGENDA WE DISCUSS IT AND MAKE A DECISION ON THAT ISSUE AT THE TIME IT COMES UP. ROBERTS INDICATES, AS I SAID, THE CHAIRMAN USUALLY IS THE FINAL ARBITER AND JUDGE. HOWEVER I HAVE NO PROBLEM PUTTING IT TO A VOTE BY THE BOARD. ALTHOUGH I THINK IT STARS A BAD PRECEDENT AND I WOULD LIKE NOT TO SEE THAT. BUT SINCE YOU ASKED AND YOU MADE A MOTION I'LL TAKE A SECOND. BUT I THINK WE'RE HEADING OFF INTO A PERIOD WHERE IF A PARTICULAR COMMISSIONER DOES NOT HAPPEN TO LIKE A SPECIFIC AGENDA ITEM, THEN, YOU KNOW, THEY CAN DO THAT AND TAKE IT OFF AT THE BEGINNING OF THE ITEM AND I WOULD JUST PUT YOURSELF IN YOUR OWN SHOES. IF YOU HAD SOMETHING, I DON'T KNOW, REPAVING THE OAK LEAF PARKWAY AND COMMISSIONER HENDRY SAID I DON'T LIKE THAT IDEA AND DECIDES TO TAKE IT OFF, THEN WHERE ARE WE GOING? >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: BUT I WOULD NEED TWO MORE COMMISSIONERS TO AGREE WITH ME. IT'S NOT JUST MY CALL. >> CHAIRMAN CELLA: I THINK IT SETS A BAD PRECEDENT. COMMISSIONER HENDRY? >> COMMISSIONER HENDRY: PERHAPS IT WOULD BE MORE POLL ATABLE IF -- PALATABLE IF MAYBE YOUR MOTION IS TO TABLE AS OPPOSED TO REMOVE. I CAN CERTAINLY SUPPORT A TABLED BASED ON WHAT I CAN ADD TO LATER ON IN DISCUSSIONS. BUT WOULD THAT GIVE US WHERE WE NEED TO BE? >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: I'LL GO FOR THAT. REVISE THE MOTION TO TABLE NUMBER 9. >> COMMISSIONER HENDRY: BUT THAT IS WITH UNDERSTANDING ALL THESE GOOD FOLKS THAT CAME DOWN TO SPEAK ON IT WE'LL ALLOW THEM TO TALK. >> CHAIRMAN CELLA: IT'S ACCEPTABLE. BUT, AGAIN, I DISAGREE WITH THE PREMISE. WE'VE GOT A MOTION AND WE HAVE A SECOND. BE GLAD TO HAVE A DISCUSSION. >> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: I THINK TAKING IT IS JUST GOING TO DELAY IT. IF COMMISSIONERS DON'T WANT IT, VOTE IT DOWN. BUT WE CAN HAVE A DISCUSSION AND THEN IF IT'S NOT MEANT TO BE -- BUT STRIKING IT IS -- AND USUALLY WE TABLE THINGS WHEN THERE'S MORE INFORMATION THAT IS NEEDED OR SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO CAUSE A NEED FOR A FUTURE DISCUSSION ON IT. BECAUSE TAKING IT WOULD SEEM TO INDICATE WE BRING IT UP IN THE FUTURE AND IT'S ON THE AGENDA AND PEOPLE ARE GOING TO SPEAK ON IT WHETHER WE TABLE IT OR NOT. SO I THINK WE SHOULD JUST VOTE ON IT TODAY. >> COMMISSIONER HENDRY: MY PURPOSE FOR TAKING IT WAS, THIS IS A DOCUMENT WE WERE LOOKING AT YESTERDAY. THIS IS THE DOCUMENT THAT WAS DELIVERED TO US AN HOUR AGO. I PERSONALLY AS A COMMISSIONER WOULD LIKE A LITTLE MORE TIME TO REVIEW THIS. AND I THINK THE PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE, IT WOULD GIVE THEM TIME TO SEE WHAT'S IN THIS DOCUMENT THAT WE'RE GOING TO VOTE ON. AND I KNOW NONE OF THEM HAVE BECAUSE WE JUST GOT IT AS COMMISSIONERS. BY TAKING IT I THINK IT WOULD GIVE US AN ADEQUATE TIME TO REVIEW AND DISCUSS IT WITH FOLKS RIGHT HERE IN A LESS CONSTRAINED MANNER. >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: I WOULD PURPORT UNLESS YOU HAVE GIVEN A DAY TO COME BACK YOU HAVE TAKEN IT OFF THE TABLE. BY TAKING IT NOW INSTEAD AT THE END OF HEARING THE ITEM, YOU PRECLUDE US FROM BEING ABLE TO HAVE A CONVERSATION AND HEAR FROM EACH OTHER. YOU ARE ONLY ALLOWING THE PUBLIC TO SPEAK BUT YOU ARE NOT ALLOWING THEM TO HEAR ANYTHING WE HAVE TO SAY. SO IT SEEMS TO ME A LITTLE PREEMPTIVE. IF YOU WANT TO TABLE IT WHEN WE GET THROUGH WITH DISCUSSION AND DECIDE AS A GROUP WE NEED MORE INFORMATION, I'M OKAY WITH THAT. >> CHAIRMAN CELLA: RIGHT. THAT WOULD BE OPERATING IN THE USUAL FASHION. I THINK WE GO DOWN A SLIPPERY SLOPE WHEN WE START TAKING THINGS OFF THE AGENDA BEFORE WE GET TO THOSE. >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: I HAVE TO AGREE ON THAT. >> CHAIRMAN CELLA: SO, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? WE'RE IN THE DISCUSSION PHASE. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO TABLE ITEM NUMBER 9 UNTIL DECEMBER 10TH. WITH NO FURTHER DISCUSSION, WE'LL VOTE ON THE MOTION BY COMMISSIONER BOLLA. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED? AND THE CHAIR VOTES IN THE NEGATIVE AS WELL. SO THAT'S DEFEATED 3-2. AND WE'LL GET TO THE ITEM NUMBER 9. AND IF SOMEBODY AFTER DISCUSSION WANTS TO MAKE THAT AS A OPTION IN TERMS OF NUMBER 9, BECAUSE WE DO HAVE THREE OPTIONS WHEN WE GET THERE. WE CAN TABLE, AND VOTE ON THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL FOR RESOLUTION OR THE ONE THAT'S BEEN INTRODUCED TODAY. SO THOSE WOULD BE THREE THINGS THAT WE CAN DO AT THAT TIME. WE DO HAVE A ROLL CALL. LET THE RECORD SHOW ALL COMMISSIONERS ARE HERE. [00:10:01] ALSO, IF YOU HAVE NOT FILLED OUT A CARD, A COMMENT CARD, PLEASE DO SO AT THIS TIME. YOU CAN GIVE THAT TO TERESA. WE'LL CALL THE CARDS UP AT THE TIME OF THE PUBLIC COMMENT AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING. I'M GOING TO ADD A COMMENT AT AGENDA 9. IF YOU ARE INTERESTED IN TALKING ABOUT THE RESOLUTION AND THEN WE HAVE A PUBLIC COMMENT AT THE END AND THEN WE HAVE I BELIEVE A COUPLE OF PUBLIC HEARINGS AS WELL FOR PLANNING/ZONING ISSUES AT TIME CERTAINS AT 5:00. SO, IF YOU HAVE A CARD, PLEASE MAKE SURE THAT GETS TO TERESA. WE THANK YOU FOR COMING TO THE MEETING TODAY. PLEASE REMEMBER TO TURN OFF YOUR CELL PHONES OR AT LEAST SWITCH THEM TO SILENT MODE. AND PLEASE BE SURE TO REMOVE ALL HATS, TURN IN YOUR CARDS. YOU WILL HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK TO THE BOARD. AND WE'D LIKE YOU TO STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS BEFORE YOU GET STARTED. AND THIS IS A BUSINESS MEETING SO PLEASE, YOU KNOW, DON'T DO ANY APPLAUDING OR CAT CAL CALLING ANY KIND OF SPEAKER TODAY. WE APPRECIATE YOUR HELP WITH THAT. WE GO ON TO OUR MOMENT IN HISTORY. AND COMMI [A MOMENT IN HISTORY] COMMISSIONER HENDRY HAS THAT. >> COMMISSIONER HENDRY: SINCE WE'RE ON THE EVE OF THANKSGIVING I THINK MOST OF YOU KNOW THIS BUT HISTORICALLY HOW WE GOT TO WHERE WE ARE TODAY AS FAR AS THANKSGIVING. IN 1789 AT THE CONCLUSION OF THE REVOLUTIONARY WAR GENERAL WASHINGTON PROCLAIMED A DAY OF THANKSGIVING NOVEMBER 26TH. IT WAS SO CELEBRATED DURING THE TIME UP TO ABRAHAM LINCOLN IN 1863 WHEN LINCOLN OFFICIALLY MADE THE THANKSGIVING TO FALL ON THE LAST THURSDAY OF EACH MONTH. WHICH IS WHAT WE HAVE NOW. BUT IT DIDN'T STAY THAT WAY -- WELL IT DID STAY THAT WAY FOR A WHILE, BUT IN 1939 PRESIDENT ROOSEVELT FOR WHATEVER REASON AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE BACKGROUND IS, HE CHANGED IT TO THE THURSDAY BEFORE THE LAST THURSDAY OF THE MONTH. AND IT WAS NOT RECEIVED REAL WELL. IT WAS PEOPLE THAT EVEN REFUSED TO CELEBRATE IT ON THE DAY THAT THE PRESIDENT SAID IT SHOULD BE CELEBRATED ON. SO, IN 1941, IN NOVEMBER, DUE TO POPULAR UPRISING, TO SPEAK, HE CHANGED IT BACK TO THE LAST THURSDAY OF NOVEMBER WHICH IT IS TODAY. AND HOPEFULLY IT WILL STAY. WERE YOU THERE WHEN HE CHANGED IT BACK? [LAUGHTER] JUST KIDDING. SO THAT'S KIND OF WHAT IT STARTED, WHERE IT WENT AND WHERE IT WOUND UP. JUST WANTED TO SHARE THAT, MR. CHAIRMAN. [ARTWORK] >> CHAIRMAN CELLA: THANK YOU. WE'LL CHECK THE ARTWORK. SAN MAN THAT. >> SPEAKER: THE FIRST IS KEYSTONE HEIGHTS ELEMENTARY. THE PRINCIPAL IS MELANIE SAUNDERS AND THE ART TEACHER IS MARLENA CONRAD. ALL OF THE STUDENTS CREATED SELF-PORTRAITS. THIS IS KENSLEY PHILLIPS. THEN WE HAVE GABRIEL COLE. DAVIS SHANKS. HUNTLEY DENNIS. SIERRA JOHNSON. KAI LEE VAN DRIVER. LAUREN HERDON. BROOK BRENNSON. WYATT CHAPMAN. AND SOPHIA JAHARI. OUR SECOND SCHOOL IS ORANGE PARK ELEMENTARY SCHOOL. THE PRINCIPAL IS CAROL MCCULLEN AND THE ART TEACHER IS SHELBY BROOMER. THE FIRST DRAWING IS DIMITRI JACOBS. THE SECOND IS JACK RIVIERA. WE HAVE MACKENZIE NELLO. LILA. AVA MARIE ARNOLD. AND THAT'S IT. THAT'S ALL OF OUR ARTWORK. >> CHAIRMAN CELLA: VERY GOOD. THANK YOU. WE APPRECIATE THAT. [PET ADOPTIONS] AND SOMETIMES WE HAVE DOGS AND CATS BROUGHT IN FROM THE ANIMAL SHELTER THAT ARE UP FOR ADOPTION. TODAY I GUESS WE'RE ON MEME OREX. SO, LET'S TAKE A LOOK. IS SAMANTHA GOING TO RUN THOSE THROUGH? >> SPEAKER: THE FIRST ONE WE HAVE IS DOGGY. HE IS A NEUTERED MALE. DOGGY IS GOOD WITH OTHER DOGS AND EVEN ONE OF OUR PLAY GROUP ROCK STARS. HE IS HOUSE TRAINED AND KNOWS BASIC OBEDIENCE SUCH SIT, WALK ON LEASH AND DOWN. HE IS A HAPPY [00:15:04] BOY FULL OF ENERGY AND LOVES TO PLAY. HE IS UP TO DATE ON ALL VACCINES, MICROCHIP AND HEART WORM NEGATIVE. NEXT IS JOHNNY. HE IS A NEUTERED MALE MIXED BREED. HE IS A SWEET ENERGETIC BOY WHO WOULD LOVE NOTHING MORE THAN A FAMILY TO CALL HIS OWN AND A YARD HE CAN HUNT LIZARDS IN. HE PREFERS NOT TO LIVE WITH OTHER DOGS AND DEFINITELY DOES NOT WANT TO SHARE HIS LIZARDS SO NO CATS PLEASE. JOHNNY IS UP TO DATE ON ALL OF HIS VACCINES, MICRO-CHIPPED AND HEART WORM NEGATIVE. NEXT WE HAVE FERGUSON. HE IS A NEUTERED MALE DOMESTIC SHORT HAIR. FERGUSON IS A SWEET AND PLAYFUL BOY. HE IS A LITTLE SHY AT FIRST BUT QUICKLY WARMS UP. FERGUSON IS UP TO DATE ON ALL OF HIS AGE APPROPRIATE VACCINES AND IS MICRO CHIPPED. MISCHIEF. SPADE FEMALE IS A DOMESTIC SHORT HAIR SHE LOVES PLAYING WITH AND SNUGGLING. MISCHIEF IS UP TO ATE ON ALL VACCINES, SPAYED AND MICRO CHIPPED. JOIN OUR KITTEN CRUISE BECAUSE WE NEED FOSTERS. IF YOU ARE INTERESTED CONTACT CLAY FOSTERS. WE HAVE UPCOMING EVENTS ON DECEMBER 7TH AT THE PETCO FLEMING ISLAND LOCATION. >> CHAIRMAN CELLA: VERY GOOD. NICE JOB, SAM. AS WE GET INTO THE HOLIDAY SEASON, IF YOU THINK THAT YOU'D LIKE TO GO OUT AND PURCHASE A DOG, MAYBE YOU'D LIKE TO SEE WHAT DOGS OR CATS ARE AVAILABLE FOR ADOPTION TO BRING INTO THE HOUSEHOLD. WE WOULD APPRECIATE IT. AT THIS TIME OF YEAR I THINK WE GET MORE DROP OFFS THAN PEOPLE ADOPTING ANIMALS OUT AND WE ALWAYS RUN INTO A CRUNCH AT THE SHELTER. THERE IS ALL KINDS OF DOGS AND CATS AVAILABLE. PLEASE KEEP THAT IN MIND IF YOU ARED AING TO THE FAMILY. WE DO HAVE A COUPLE [PROCLAMATIONS/RESOLUTIONS] OF PROCLAMATIONS OR RESOLUTIONS REGARDING SOME LOCAL DATES. IF WE CAN MEET IN THE FRONT THERE, WE'LL DO THAT. THIS IS IN HONOR OF NATIONAL COMPUTER SCIENCE WEEK. I'LL READ IT THEN IF YOU GUYS WANT TO SAY A FEW THINGS. WHEREAS COMPUTER SCIENCE EDUCATION WEEK HIGHLIGHTS THE ROLE COMPUTER SCIENCE PLAYS IN CREATING FIELDS OF COMMERCE AND DRIVING INNOVATION AND INCREASING PRODUCTIVITY CONTRIBUTING TO THE UNITED STATES ECONOMIC OUTPUT. WHEREAS PROVIDING STUDENTS THE CHANCE TO PARTICIPATE IN HIGH QUALITY COMPUTER SCIENCE ACTIVITIES EXPOSES THEM TO THE RICH OPPORTUNITIES AND CAREER PROSPECTS THE FIELDS OFFER AND PROVIDE CRITICAL THINKING SKILLS THAT WILL SERVE THROUGHOUT THEIR LIVES. WHEREAS NORTHEAST FLORIDA HAS BEEN RECOGNIZED AS A GLOBAL LEADER IN ADVANCING STEM EDUCATION AND THE CLB RA ACTIVE EFFORTS IN THE SCHOOLS ARE A MODEL FOR THE NATION THROUGH ONGOING INSTRUCTION IN COMPUTER SCIENCE, ROBOTICS AND OTHER FORWARD FACING TECHNOLOGIES. AND THROUGH A PARTNERSHIP WITH THE STEM SQUARED HUB THAT PROVIDES RESOURCES, PROFESSIONAL DEVELOPMENT AND PROGRAM SUPPORT SO ADVANCING CAREER PATHWAYS FOR ALL STUDENTS. WHEREAS THE CLAY COUNTY SCHOOL DISTRICT HAS MADE A COMMITMENT TO PROVIDE ALL STUDENTS WITH THE OPPORTUNITY TO PARTICIPATE IN THE 2019 HOUR OF CODE. WHEREAS THE CLAY COUNTY SCHOOL DISTRICT WILL HOST YOUTH SPARK AT ORANGE PARK HIGH SCHOOL ON DECEMBER # IN 7 IN PARTNERSHIP WITH MICROSOFT TO BRING COMPUTER SCIENCING AND CODING EXPERIENCES TO MORE THAN 200 MILITARY CONNECTED STUDENTS AND KICKOFF THE 2019 NATIONAL COMPUTER SCIENCE WEEK. WHEREAS COMPUTER SCIENCE EDUCATION WEEK IS CELEBRATED THE WEEK OF DECEMBER 9TH IN HONOR OF GRACE MURPHY HOOPER'S BIRTHDAY. ONE OF THE FIRST FEMALES IN THE FIELD OF COMPUTER SCIENCE WHO PIONEERED STANDARDS FOR COMPUTER SYSTEMS WHICH LAID THE FOUNDATION FOR MANY ADVANCEMENTS IN COMPUTER SCIENCE. NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED BY THE BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS THAT WE DO PROCLAIM THIS WEEK OF DECEMBER 19TH THROUGH THE 15 TO BE CELEBRATED AS COMPUTER SCIENCE EDUCATION WEEK IN CLAY COUNTY. DO I HAVE A MOTION? >> BOARD MEMBER: SO MOVE. >> BOARD MEMBER: SECOND. >> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: MOTION PASSES AND ENCOURAGES BUSINESS LEADERS APP POLICY MAKERS TO PROMOTE THE EDUCATION WEEK ACTIVITIES. DOOMY ADOPTED THIS DAY, 26TH OF NOVEMBER, 2019. CONGRATULATIONS. [APPLAUSE] >> SPEAKER: THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS [00:20:03] PROCLAMATION. IT MEANS SO MUCH TO I THINK EVERYONE IN THE COUNTY WHO IS WORKING VERY HARD ON WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT IN ASSURING THAT ALL CHILDREN HAVE THE SKILLS THEY NEED TO JOIN OUR WORKFORCE HERE AND CONTINUE TO ADVANCE SUCH IMPORTANT CAREERS LIKE ROBOTICS, AUTOMATION, CYBERSECURITY AND MEDICINE AND ALL OF THE IMPLICATIONS. SO THANK YOU. >> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: PLEASE TELL US WHAT THE HOUR OF CODE IS. >> SPEAKER: YES THE HOUR OF CODE WAS STARTED ABOUT FIVE YEARS AGO BY THE WORKFORCE IN CALIFORNIA. THEY NOTICED THAT THEY COULD NOT FILL THEIR TECHNOLOGY JOBS. AND THE FOUNDER IS HOTTIE PARTOVI. HE SAID TO HIS BROTHER IF WE COULD GET KIDS TO TRY IT FOR AN HOUR THEY WOULD WANT TO LEARN TO CODE. AND THAT HOUR OF CODE IDEA SPRANG FROM THAT CONVERSATION. IT'S NOW TURNED INTO A GLOBAL MOVEMENT WITH OVER 800 MILLION CHILDREN AROUND THE WORLD CODING. AND I AM BEYOND PROUD TO SAY THAT ACCORDING TO CODE.ORG CLAY COUNTY FLORIDA LAST YEAR MADE NATIONAL AND GLOBAL NEWS AS THE LEADER IN IMPLEMENTING THE HOUR OF CODE. ALL SCHOOLS PARTICIPATED LAST YEAR. AND 27,625 CLAY COUNTY CHILDREN GOT A CHANCE TO CODE FOR AT LEAST AN HOUR THAT WEEK. AND OUR SUPERINTENDENT ADDISON DAVIS HAS COMMITTED THAT EVEN MORE STUDENTS WILL HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY THIS YEAR. SO, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT. THIS IS SUCH AN IMPORTANT INITIATIVE FOR OUR NATIONAL SECURITY AND OUR WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT. THANK YOU. [APPLAUSE] >> MY NAME IS PAM. I WAS A TEACHER FOR NINE YEARS NOW I WORK FORCALLY COUNTY DISTRICT SCHOOLS FOR INFORMATION AND TECHNOLOGY SERVICES. I'M PROUD TO BE PART OF THAT GROUP THAT PUSHED THAT INITIATIVE. AS A PERSON WORKING IN INFORMATION AND TECHNOLOGY SERVICES I AM ALSO LEARNING HOW TO CODE. IT'S NOT AS HARD AS IT LOOKS. WE'RE REALLY EXCITED TO HAVE THE SUPPORT OF THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS AS WELL AS STEMS WHO HAVE ENCOURAGING OUR CHILDREN THAT THIS PROGRAMMING LANGUAGE IS NOT AS DIFFICULT AS IT SEEMS AND ANYONE WHO WORKS HARD ENOUGH CAN LEARN HOW TO SPEAK IT, WRITE IT AND WRITE CODE. THANK YOU. >> SO THE MORAL OF THE STORY IS, IF YOU ARE IN TO WRITING CODE YOU DON'T HAVE TO LIVE IN CALIFORNIA AND PAY THOSE KIND OF PRICES TO LIVE THERE. COME TO PLAY COUNTY. WE HAVE IT ALL HERE [LAUGHTER] THANK YOU SO MUCH. CERTAINLY OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT EFFORT ONE OF THE FIRST TWO OR THREE QUESTIONS PEOPLE ASK ABOUT RELOCATING TO CLAY COUNTY IS WHAT ABOUT YOURWORK FORCE. AND A LOT OF FOLKS WANT THOSE KIDS AND THOSE PEOPLE THAT ARE ENTERING THE WORK FIELD TO KNOW CODE. SO, WE'LL BRING DOWN SOME OF THE SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS AND THE MEMBERS OF THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE HERE THAT ARE GOING TO JOIN US FOR OUR NEXT RESOLUTION. WE HAVE LOTS OF FOLKS HERE. I'LL LET DIANE DO THE HONORS. >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: THANK YOU. THIS IS EXCITING. GOOD TO SEE ALL OF OUR FRIENDS FROM THE CHAMBER. I'M GOING TO PRESENT A PROCLAMATION. ALL RIGHT. WHEREAS CLAY COUNTY CELEBRATES ITS STRONG BUSINESS COMMUNITY AND ACKNOWLEDGES THAT SMALL BUSINESSES MAKE UP 99 PERCENT OF ALL NEW BUSINESES IN THE U.S. AND EMPLOY 47.5% OF THE COUNTRY'S WORKFORCE. AND WHEREAS CLAY COUNTY STRIVES TO FOSTER AN ENVIRONMENT THAT HELPS SMALL BUSINESSES GROW AND ENCOURAGES THEM TO RELOCATE TO CLAY COUNTY AND HAS SUPPORTED THE ADOPTION OF A PREFERENCE TO LOCAL BUSINESSES IN THE PROCUREMENT PROCESS. WHEREAS SMALL BUSINESSES CREATE UNIQUE EXPERIENCES THAT MAKE PEOPLE WANT TO LIVE AND VISIT AN AREA. AND CLAY COUNTY STRIVES TO SERVE AND PROMOTE LOCAL SMALL BUSINESS COMMUNITY THROUGH PARTNERSHIPS AND COLLABORATION AND BY MAINTAINING THE EXPLORE CLAY.COM EXPERIENCES TOURISM WEBSITE DEDICATED TO SMALL BUSINESS SATURDAY PARTICIPANTS. WHEREAS SINCE 2010 THE SATURDAY AFTER THANKSGIVING HAS BEEN DESIGNATED AS SMALL BUSINESS SATURDAY -- WAVE YOUR SIGN -- AND HAS BEEN EMBRACED BY GROUPS AND PUBLIC AND PRIVATE ORGANIZATIONS AND WHEREAS NOVEMBER 30TH, 2019, MARKS THE 10TH ANNUAL SMALL BUSINESS SATURDAY INITIATED BY AMERICAN EXPRESS AS A CELEBRATION OF SMALL BUSINESSES AND THE POSITIVE IMPACT THEY HAVE ON COMMUNITIES ACROSS THE [00:25:03] COUNTRY. INCLUDING THE $103 BILLION CONSUMERS HAVE PSPG THE NINE SMALL BUSINESS SATURDAYS SINCE INCEPTION. WHEREAS AN AVERAGE OF TWO-THIRDS OF EVERY DOLLAR SPENT AT A SMALL BUSINESS IN THE U.S. STAYS IN THAT LOCAL COMMUNITY. NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED THE CLAY COUNTY BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS IN COOPERATION WITH THE CLAY COUNTY CHAMBER OF COMMERCE AND THE SMALL BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION DOES HEREBY PROCLAIM SATURDAY, NOVEMBER 30, 2019, AS SMALL BUSINESS SATURDAY IN CLAY COUNTY AND ENCOURAGES RESIDENTS TO SUPPORT THE SMALL BUSINESS COMMUNITY THAT MAKES OUR COUNTY UNIQUE AND HELPS STRENGTHEN OUR LOCAL COMMUNITY BY STHOPSHOPPING SMALL ALL YEAR. DO I HAVE A MOTION? AND A SECOND? ALL RIGHT. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. SO WE ARE DULY ADOPTED BY THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS CLAY COUNTY FLORIDA THIS 26TH DAY OF NOVEMBER 2019. YOU ARE WELCOME. THERE YOU GO. WE'LL TURN IT OVER TO YOU. >> SPEAKER: WENDELL PRESIDENT OF THE CLAY COUNTY CHAMBER OF COMMERCE. WE'RE -- WE WANT TO THANK THE BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS. THIS IS LAPPED MARK FOR US. THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THEY'VE DONE THE PROCLAMATION. AND THIS IS -- WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT CLAY COUNTY, 90% OF OUR BUSINESSES ARE SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS. TODAY YOU HAVE RANDY BOWMAN WHO IS THE GENERAL MANAGER OF THE MALL. KEVIN MOYNIHAN WHO REPRESENTS SPDC WHO REPRESENTS ALLSTATE. YOU HAVE COMMUNITY FIRST, MICHELLE GOD GODFREY. AND EVERYBODY HERE WHO REPRESENTS OUR SMALL BUSINESSES. WE RECOGNIZE HOW VALUABLE YOU GUYS ARE TO ALL OF US. WE CONTINUE TO BE THE LIFE BLOOD OF THE LOCAL ECONOMY. SO, PLEASE GO OUT AND SUPPORT THEM. SHOP SMALL SATURDAY. REMEMBER, EVERY TIME YOU SPEND A DOLLAR IN A LOCAL BUSINESS, $0.57 OF THAT STAYS LOCALLY. IF YOU GO TO A BOX STORE, $0.12 STAYS LOCALLY. WHEN YOU BUY ON AMAZON, ONE PENNY STAYS LOCALLY. SO, IF YOU DO ANYTHING ELSE, TRY TO INCLUDE BUYING LOCAL DURING THIS HOLIDAY SEASON. >> CHAIRMAN CELLA: THANK YOU. WE APPRECIATE THAT AND WE APPRECIATE ALL THE BUSINESS FOLKS WHO JOINED US HERE TODAY. WHY DON'T YOU HOLD THAT PROCLAMATION. LET'S GET SOME PICTURES GOING HERE. THERE WE GO. THANK YOU ALL WE APPRECIATE IT. [APPLAUSE] AS A FORMER SMALL BUSINESS OWNER OF NINE YEARS HERE IN CLAY COUNTY, IT'S IMPORTANT THAT YOU CONTINUE TO SUPPORT OUR BUSINESSES HERE. AND, OF COURSE, IF YOU HAVEN'T BEEN SHOPPING LOCALLY, SATURDAY'S A GOOD OPPORTUNITY TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT. YOU GOT TO WORK OFF ALL THAT HOLIDAY DINNER ANY WAY WE'LL CONTINUE WITH OUR AGENDA AT THIS TIME. THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FROM THE [APPROVAL OF MINUTES] NOVEMBER 12TH, 2019,BCC MEETING. >> BOARD MEMBER: MOVE APPROVAL. >> BOARD MEMBER: SECOND. >> CHAIRMAN CELLA: ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY AYE. WE COME TO THE FIRST [PUBLIC COMMENTS] PORTION OF OUR PUBLIC COMMENTS. I AM GOING TO RESERVE ANYBODY THAT'S GOT A COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM 9 TO WHEN WE GET THERE. I HAVE A COUPLE OF CARDS. I'M GOING TO ASK WHETHER OR NOT YOU NEED TO DO JUST A REGULAR GENERIC PUBLIC COMMENT OR IF YOU ARE LOOKING FOR NUMBER 9. MR. LOCK? DID YOU WANT TO SPEAK NOW OR ARE YOU ON NUMBER 9 SPECIFICALLY OR DO YOU GOT SOMETHING ELSE? >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: I WANT TO SPEAK ABOUT THE ROADS AGAIN. >> CHAIRMAN CELLA: YES. COME ON DOWN. MR. AUTO, I CAN HEAR YOU HERE, AND YOU ARE DISRUPTING THE MEETING. PLEASE KEEP YOUR COMMENTS TO YOURSELF. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: HOW ARE YOU DOING? >> CHAIRMAN CELLA: GOOD SIR. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: GOOD AFTERNOON. THIS IS MY THIRD TIME HERE. THE FIRST AND SECOND TIME WE REALIZED AND IT WAS SHOWN TO THE DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS, MR. SMITH, THAT THAT ROAD LIST WE HAVE AND WE OPERATE BY WAS A JOKE. HIS WORDS WERE, IT WAS VERY, VERY OBJECTIVE. WHAT ME ASKED THOSE GUYS TO DO ON THE [00:30:08] ROAD. I AM RETIRED. I TOOK THAT OLD ROAD LIST AND WENT AROUND AND LET ME TELL YOU IT WAS A JOKE. THE SECOND TIME I CAME HERE I TOLD YOU GUYS, LISTEN, THE ROAD LISTING TERRIBLE. ALL THESE ROADS THAT NEED TO BE PAVED ON THE LIST, DON'T NEED TO BE PAVED. I MEAN, THERE'S ONE POTHOLE ON MOST OF THE ROADS. WE JUST SPENT A LOT OF MONEY ON FLEMING ISLAND PLANTATION FROM 17 TO THE TOWN CENTER GOING ALL THE WAY TO THE GOLF COURSE RIGHT THERE. FROM 17, THAT PLANTATION, FLEMING ISLAND PLANTATION ROAD RIGHT THERE GOES THE GOLF COURSE, RIGHT THERE. ABOUT A MILE-AND-A-HALF THAT ROAD IS. I DRIVE THAT ROAD EVERY WEEK BECAUSE I GOLF RIGHT THERE. THAT ROAD HAD ONE LITTLE POTHOLE ON IT. AND WE JUST SPENT MONEY. WE JUST REPAVED THAT ROAD. I HAVE NO EARTHLY IDEA HOW MUCH WE PAID FOR THAT BUT WE PAID MONEY AND IT JUST GOT PAVED. WE COULD HAVE DONE ALL OF MY NEIGHBORHOOD FOR THE LENGTH OF THAT ROAD. I MEAN, MY ROAD -- ALL PIERS CREEK SUBDIVISION, WHERE I LIVE, LAS PALMAS, WE COULD HAVE DONE THE WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD FOR THAT ONE STREET THAT DIDN'T HAVE BUT ONE POTHOLE ON IT. YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? SO, THE ROAD LIST, I SENT THE DIRECTOR A MESSAGE AND I SAID HEY IS THE NEW ROAD LIST OUT. HE SAYS IT SURE IS. THE NEW LIST IS OUT. I SAID OKAY THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND I PULLED THE LIST. AND, OF COURSE, I KEPT THE OLD LIST. HEY, IT IS THE SAME LIST, SIR. IT'S THE SAME LIST. JUST ADD A BUNCH OF NEW STREETS TO THE BOTTOM OF IT. IT'S THE SAME LIST. MY NEIGHBORHOOD NEVER MOVED. PIERS CREEK, I CAME IN HERE TWICE AND TOLD YOU HOW BAD THE NEIGHBORHOOD STREETS WERE ON LAS PALMAS AND PER DEETO BECAUSE EVERYBODY IS CUTTING OFF 17 NOW AND USING LAS PALMAS TO GO OUT TO PINE AVENUE. IT'S LIKE A RACEWAY. SO THAT ROAD IS GETTING A LOT OF WEAR AND TEAR. AND IT'S SO BUMPY. WHEN I TURN THERE AND GO ON TO PERDIDO I HAVE A MDX FOR A VEHICLE AND I HAVE TO SLOW DOWN. IT WILL KNOCK MY CAR OUT OF ALIGNMENT IF YOU COME IN TOO FAST. SERIOUSLY I HAVE TO DRIVE LIKE GRANDMA ON THAT ROAD TURNING IN THERE. IT'S RIDICULOUS. MY NEIGHBORHOOD, LIKE I SAID, IT NEVER MOVED ON THE LIST AT ALL. I'M THE SAME NUMBER I WAS BEFORE THE LIST AS I AM NOW. AND I JUST CAN'T UNDERSTAND THAT AT ALL. THERE'S A LOT OF ROADS THAT WE KEPT ON THERE THAT, LIKE I SAID, I MENTIONED THIS BEFORE, YOU GUYS DRIVE THEM AND LOOK AT THEM. THEY DON'T NEED TO BE REPAVED. THE SCHOOL RIGHT THERE WHERE EAGLE HARBOR RUNS ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE ROAD TO THE BOAT DOCK DOWN THERE. >> CHAIRMAN CELLA: LAKESHORE? >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: YEAH THAT'S OH THEI LIST. I DRIVE IT ALL TE TIME. IT'S A LITTLE ROUGH BUT THAT'S IT. YOU KNOW, I WANTED TO SHOW YOU I GOT SIX OR SEVEN, EIGHT PICTURE IS WOULD LIKE TO SHOW YOU GUYS. >> CHAIRMAN CELLA: WE CAN GIVE YOU MY EMAIL AND YOU CAN SEND THAT TO ME RATHER THAN SHOW IT TO US. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: OKAY I'LL GO HERE AND I CAN SEND YOU THE PICTURES OF WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT FROM MY NEIGHBORHOOD. >> CHAIRMAN CELLA: PERFECT. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: THANK YOU. MAYBE THREE TIMES IS A CHARM. >> CHAIRMAN CELLA: UNFORTUNATELY WE CAN'T TALK TO MR. SMITH BECAUSE HE IS NOT HERE TODAY BUT WE'LL CATCH UP WITH HIM AND I'LL TALK TO HIM ABOUT THAT. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: WELL HE NEVER GOT BACK TO ME. I SAID -- >> CHAIRMAN CELLA: SEND ME THOSE PICTURES AND WE'LL TALK. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: I SAID LISTEN BRAD IS THIS THE SAME LIST. I SAID GET BACK WITH ME AND HE NEVER GOT BACK WITH ME. HE'S BEEN IGNORING ME. >> CHAIRMAN CELLA: MORE PEOPLES? >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: I'M HERE, I AM A CITY COUNCIL MEMBER OF KEYSTONES HEIGHTS. I'M HERE TO REQUEST AND ASK FOR APPROVAL OF ACTION 13 FOR OUR CHRISTMAS PARADE. AND I KNOW LIKE IT IS A FOREGONE CONCLUSION BUT WE INVITE EVERYBODY TO COME DOWN TO OUR CHRISTMAS PARADE. IT IS A GREAT PARADE EVERY YEAR. SO I THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ALSO I'D LIKE TO SAY I SUPPORT COMMISSIONER ROLLINS AS A PRIVATE CITIZEN. I SUPPORT COMMISSIONER ROLLINS' ISSUE HE IS BRINGING UP TONIGHT. ISSUE 9. THANK YOU. >> CHAIRMAN CELLA: THANK YOU, SIR. MR. AUTO? >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: JAMES AUTO [00:35:13] 2904-2910 SEX AND BUDS CLAY COUNTY FLORIDA HOTELS ON BLANDING BOULEVARD. THERE'S WAY TOO MUCH MONEY GOING TO FLEMING ISLAND. A REPRESENTATIVE LISTS HIM AS FLEMING ISLAND INSTEAD OF CLAY COUNTY. AND THAT WAS VERY DISAPPOINTING UP THERE IN TALLAHASSEE. BECAUSE HE REPRESENTS THE WHOLE COUNTY. IF YOU LOOK AT THE OTHER REPRESENTATIVES THEY MENTION THEIR COUNTIES. THE INFRASTRUCTURE, YOU KNOW, WE NEED 218 AND 21, THAT RED ROAD THAT'S ON YOUR LIST THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN FIXED BACK WHEN SHARICE STEWART WAS SITTING UP THERE. YOU KNOW, YOU REPAIRED THAT BRIDGE DOWN THERE JUST FROM THE HEAVY WATER, THE BOAT DIDN'T EVEN HIT IT. I SERIOUSLY HOPE YOU ARE NOT GOING TO PASS THAT UP AGAIN. IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE A LONG, LONG TIME AGO. YOU KNOW, TO PUSH 16 WHEN THERE'S NOT REALLY THAT MANY PEOPLE OUT THERE AND YOU ARE JUST TRYING TO GET THAT FAIRGROUND PUSHED, THAT'S NOT A VERY GOOD REASON. I ALSO WENT TO TALLAHASSEE AND TALKED ABOUT THE $100,000 YOU ARE SPENDING ON THE FAIRGROUNDS AND THEY SAID YOU CAN REALLOCATE THAT MONEY. YOU DO NOT HAVE TO SPEND OUT THE FAIRGROUNDS. SO I THINK WE NEED TO COMPLETELY RELOOK AT THAT WHOLE THING. I APPRECIATE THE MEETING WITH THE CIP WHERE THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT REMOVING THE FOOTBALL WHICH IS A REAL PROBLEM WITH YOUR CHILDREN RUNNING INTO EACH OTHER. MENTAL ILLNESS, THE BULLYING, THE INJURIES, THE DEATHS, AND JUST THE OUTRIGHT RAPES THAT COME OUT OF THE FOOTBALL INDUSTRY. SO, IF WE COULD LOOK HARDER AT THAT. OF COURSE, WE NEED TO WORK ON BATHROOMS FOR THE TRANSGENDER. BECAUSE ALL KIDS HAVE A RIGHT TO GO TO SCHOOL. SO WE NEED TO LOOK AT THAT. THE GRANTS ARE GOING TO BE CUT. WE WERE ALL TOLD ABOUT THAT. SO, LET'S LOOK AT THE QUIGLEY HOUSE AND THEIR PARTNERS AND WORK THAT END OF IT INSTEAD OF THE BALLPARKS AND STUFF LIKE THAT. LET'S REALLY LOOK AT THE 100 LEASE FOR THE BALLPARKS. IF THE CITIZENS WANT TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE MEETINGS IT'S CLAY COUNTY GOVERNOR.COM YOU CAN GO BACK AND WATCH ALL THE MEETINGS ON THAT WEBSITE. I'D ALSO LIKE YOU ALL TO TALK ABOUT THAT 2,000 FOOT -- INSTEAD OF THE 1,000 FOOT THAT YOU JUST PASSED AT THE LAST MEETING THAT IS GOING TO PUSH ALL OF THOSE PEOPLE OUT INTO ROLLINS NEIGHBORHOOD. HE ALSO VOTED FOR THAT. >> CHAIRMAN CELLA: THANK YOU, MR. AUTO. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: OKAY. >> CHAIRMAN CELLA: ANYONE ELSE WITH A COMMENT FOR OUR OPENING PUBLIC COMMENT SESSION? SEEING NONE, WE'LL MOVE ON TO OUR CONSENT AGENDA. [CONSENT AGENDA] >> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: MOVE FOR APPROVAL. >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: SECOND. >> CHAIRMAN CELLA: ANY DISCUSSION. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: I'D LIKE TO PULL ONE OF THESE ITEMS ON 7. THE SECTION ABOUT RETIRING THE 800 MEGA-HURT EQUIPMENT. I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS ON THAT. >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: DO YOU REMEMBER WHAT NUMBER THAT WAS? >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: IT'S NUMBER 7. AND IT IS A BIG SECTION -- NO PAGE NUMBERS. SHERIFF'S OFFICE PROPERTY DISPOSAL FORM. >> CHAIRMAN CELLA: IS THE E. F. JOHNSON 5,300 MOBILE RADIOS. OKAY. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT THE STUFF IS WORK ON THE SECONDHAND MARKET? >> CHAIRMAN CELLA: IF YOU HOLD ON, IF ANYBODY ELSE HAS ANYTHING ELSE TO PULL WE'LL DO IT NOW. OTHERWISE WE'LL PASS THE CONSENT AGENDA WITHOUT THAT THEN GO BACK AND DISCUSS THAT. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER ITEMS SOMEBODY WOULD LIKE TO PULL? OKAY. SO, WE'LL VOTE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA MINUS THE MOBILE RADIOS THAT COMMISSIONER BOLLA WANTS TO TALK ABOUT. AND ALL IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES. AND NOW COMMISSIONER IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ON THAT MOBILE RADIOS. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: YES. I [7.  Finance Business] ASSUME THIS IS THE BULK OF THE JOHNSON EQUIPMENT BOWING RETIRED? >> IT IS. IT IS THE I.T. EQUIPMENT, THE RACKS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE. WE'VE ALSO PIECED [00:40:03] OUT THE METAL FROM THE MICROWAVE ANTENNAS AND TOOK THAT STUFF APART. THAT'S SO THE COUNTY CAN MAKE MONEY ON THAT FOR THE METAL. THESE ARE THINGS NOT USABLE OR CANNOT BE RESOLD TO THE GENERAL POPULATION. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: SO WE CANNOT RESELL ANY OF THESE RADIOS? >> SPEAKER: NO. THE ONLY RADIOS THAT ARE GOING TO BE SURPLUSED ARE GONE. THOSE WILL BE DESTROYED. WE'VE KEPT ALL THE MOBILE RADIOS AND PORTABLES. WE UTILIZE THOSE AS TRADE-INS FOR THE NEW RADIOS WHEN WE BUY THEM. AND SOME OF THOSE RADIOS ARE ABLE TO BE USED ON THE NEW SYSTEM. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: OKAY. >> SPEAKER: SO THIS IS MAINLY THE PIECES AND PARTS, THE BACKBONE STUFF FROM THE OLD SYSTEM. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: 345I7BLY THE RACKS. >> SPEAKER: THE RACKS, COMPUTERS. THERE'S OLD BATTERIES AS PART OF THAT SYSTEM. THAT TYPE OF STUFF. THE BARE TRAN SISTERS AND ALL THAT. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: MOVE FOR APPROVAL ON THAT ONE. >> COMMISSIONER: SECOND. >> CHAIRMAN CELLA: ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. MOTION CARRIES. GET TO NUMBER K49 IS OUR NEW [9.  Discussion and consideration of a Resolution declaring Clay County a Second Amendment Sanctuary] BUSINESS. THOSE WHO ARE HERE FOR AGENDA NUMBER 9 WE'RE GOING TO LAUNCH OFF INTO THIS. WE'LL SEE HOW FAR WE GET, BUT AT 5:00 WE DO HAVE A TIME CERTAIN ZONING ISSUES THAT WE WILL BREAK FOR THEN COME BACK TO IT AFTER THAT. SO THE DISCUSSION AND CONSIDERATION OF A RESOLUTION DECLARING CLAY COUNTY A SECOND AMENDMENT SANCTUARY. I HAVE APPROXIMATELY 11 CARDS RIGHT NOW. IF YOU ARE INTERESTED IN SPINALING ON THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE, YOU WILL NEED TO GET TO TERESA AND GIVE THEM A CARD. SO, COMMISSIONER ROLLINS YOU ARE THE ONE THAT PROPOSED THE RESOLUTION AND PUT IT ON THE AGENDA. WOULD YOU LIKE TO SAY ANYTHING ABOUT THE PROPOSAL AT THIS TIME. >> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: SURE. I'LL JUST TRY TO BRIEFLY SUMMARIZE. I FOUND OUT ABOUT THIS RESOLUTION BECAUSE LAKE COUNTY DID THE RESOLUTION AND THEN AFTER AGENDAED THE ITEM IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S SOMETHING THAT HAS SPREAD ACROSS THE STATE OF FLORIDA AND NUMEROUS COUNTIES. I THINK THERE'S SEVEN OR EIGHT NOW, I'M NOT SURE EXACT NUMBER. AND ALSO THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY THERE'S SEVERAL DIFFERENT STATES THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY THAT HAVE PROPOSED SIMILAR LEGISLATION. I THINK THERE'S SOME MISCONCEPTIONS ABOUT WHAT THIS DOES OR WHAT IT WOULD REQUEST TO DO. THE MAIN PURPOSE IN MY MIND ARE TWO THINGS. TO LET CITIZENS KNOW WE SOMEDAY PORT THE SECOND AMENDMENT AND THE RIGHT TO SELF-DEFENSE. THEN A STATEMENT OF POLICY. IT NOT AN ORDINANCE BECAUSE WE'RE NOT RESPONDING TO A SPECIFIC FEDERAL LAW. BUT A STATEMENT OF POLICY REGARDING FUTURE FEDERAL LEGISLATION SPECIFICALLY THAT WOULD ATTEMPT TO ENFORCE GUN CONTROL AT THE LOCAL LEVEL. AND THIS ISN'T THE IDEA OF JUST REJECTING FEDERAL LAW AND NOT CONTEMPLATE COMPLYING WITH IT. I AM A MILITARY OFFICER. I TOOK AN OATH TO DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION AGAINST ENEMIES FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC AND SUPPORT THE CONST CONSTITUTION. BUT THERE'S AN IMPORTANT SUPREME COURT CASE, PRINCE VERSUS THE UNITED STATES, IT'S PRINTZ. IT'S VERY CLEAR THAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, CONGRESS CANNOT COMPEL STATES, SPECIFICALLY STATE EXECUTIVES TO IMPLEMENT FEDERAL LEGISLATION. NEW YORK VERSUS THE UNITED STATES SAID YOU CAN'T FORCE STATES TO PASS LEGISLATION. PRINTZ WENT ON TO SAY YOU CAN'T COMPEL LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT TO ENFORCE FEDERAL LAW. LAW ENFORCEMENT CAN WILLINGLY COOPERATE IN LAW ENFORCEMENT ACTIVITIES RELATED TO FEDERAL LEGISLATION. BUT THE ISSUE AT PLAY IN PRINTZ WAS THE BRADY BILL. AND WHAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT SAID IS A LOCAL SHERIFF HAD TO PARTICIPATE IN THE BRADY BILL AND DO NATIONAL BACKGROUND CHECKS. THE SUPREME COURT SAID ACTUALLY YOU DON'T HAVE TO. THAT'S A VIOLATION OF THE 10TH AMENDMENT. AND BECAUSE OF THE DUAL SALVEENTRY OF -- SALVE RENTE AS FEDERAL STATES AND COUNTIES AS A SUBSET HAVE A RIGHT TO NOT CHOOSE TO PARTICIPATE WITH LOCAL RESOURCES. SO I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY BECAUSE I THINK THERE'S A MISCONCEPTION THAT I SOMEHOW AM AGAINST THE RULE OF LAW OR WANT TO VIOLATE THE CONSTITUTION OR REJECT THE CONSTITUTION. NONE OF THOSE IS CORRECT. I SIMPLY THINK THAT BECAUSE WE HAVE FLEXIBILITY WITHIN THE CONSTITUTION TO NOT PARTICIPATE IN LOCAL FEDERAL LAW ENFORCEMENT ACTIVITIES WE SHOULDN'T PARTICIPATE IN FEDERAL LAW ENFORCEMENT AT THIS TIMES RELATED TO GUN CONTROL. SO THAT WOULD BE THE GOAL OF THIS RESOLUTION. TO SAY AS A COUNTY WE SUPPORT THE SECOND AMENDMENT. AS A COUNTY WE DON'T WANT LOCAL TAXPAYER MONEY AND RESOURCES GOING TOWARDS THE FIGHT TO [00:45:01] CONFISCATE GUNS IF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT PASSED ANY FUTURE LAWS RELATED TO THAT. IT'S PRETTY SIMPLE. IT DOESN'T GO INTO A LOT OF DETAIL ABOUT ALL THE NUANCES OF THE STATE LAWS RELATED TO GUNS. IT'S JUST SIMPLY A STATEMENT. AND IT WAS INSPIRED ACROSS THE COUNTRY BY COMMENTS BY PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE BETO O'ROURKE WHEN HE SAID WE'RE GOING TO COME FOR YOUR GUNS. YOUR AR-15S. WE SAW THE SCENARIO OUT OF TAMPA WHERE A PREGNANT WOMAN DEFENDED HER FAMILY WITH AN AR-15 FROM A HOME INVADER. HAD SHE NOT BEEN ABLE TO DO THAT, IT COULD HAVE TURNED OUT DIFFERENTLY. WHAT IT TURNED OUT TO BE IS THE HOME INVADER DIDN'T MAKE IT BUT HER FAMILY DID. AND SO THAT IS ONE OF MANY REASONS I SUPPORT THE SECOND AMENDMENT AND SUPPORT THE IDEA OF ALLOWING OUR CITIZENS TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS. >> CHAIRMAN CELLA: ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR COMMISSIONER ROLLINS AT THIS POINT ABOUT HIS RESOLUTION OR HIS INTENT? JUST HERE, MA'AM. I'LL DEFINITELY ADDRESS YOU AND GIVE YOU YOUR TIME. WE'RE GOING TO GET TO YOU HERE IN JUST A SECOND. SO, IF THE BOARD IS OKAY, I THINK BEFORE WE DISCUSS OR DECIDE WHAT WE'D LIKE TO DO WITH THIS, LET'S HEAR FROM THE FOLKS THAT ARE HERE AND THEN WE CAN MAKE A DETERMINATION AS TO WHAT WE'D LIKE TO DO. AGAIN, THERE'S THREE OPTIONS. WE CAN TABLE THE ISSUE. WE CAN GO WITH THE INITIAL RESOLUTION PROPOSAL OR WE CAN GO WITH THE SECOND RESOLUTION PROPOSAL WHICH YOU RECEIVED TODAY WHICH I CRAFTED ALONG WITH THE COUNTY ATTORNEY TO TRY TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT MAYBE EVERYBODY MIGHT BE MORE SATISFIED WITH. SO, WITHOUT FURTHER ADO, I'M GOING TO CALL UP YOU FOLKS ONE AT A TIME. PLEASE REMEMBER YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES. IDENTIFY YOURSELF, NAME ADDRESS. AND I'LL LET YOU KNOW IF YOU ARE SORT OF ON DECK SO YOU CAN GET YOURSELF READY SO WE CAN GET THROUGH AS MANY FOLKS AS POSSIBLE. WE WANT TO HEAR FROM ALL OF YOU. STEVE TAYLOR, YOU ARE UP FRONT. AND DAVID JOHNSON, YOU WILL BE ON DECK, COMING UP NEXT. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: GOOD EVENING. STEVE TAYLOR. 8123 MEADOW LARK COURT, KEYSTONE LIGHT H-- HEIGHTS. I'M 12 YEARS ACTIVE DUTY NAVY. I CAME DOWN HERE TONIGHT FOR THIS. MY FAMILY, MY DAD VIETNAM WAR VET, GRANDPA KOREAN WAR BACK. WE GO BACK TO THE REVOLUTION FIGHTING. THIS WHAT'S WE DO. AND I WOULD PERSONALLY LIKE TO THANK MR. ROLLINS FOR PUTTING THIS ON THERE BECAUSE PERSONALLY IT IS MY VIEW OUR SECOND AMENDMENT RIGHTS ARE UNDER ATTACK. I DON'T WANT TO TURN THIS INTO A POLITICAL DEBATE BUT RIGHT NOW, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE ANTI-GROUPS OUT THERE LIKE EVERY TOWN UP NORTH AND, UNFORTUNATELY, A NEW ONE BAWN IN SOUTHERN FLORIDA RIGHT IN OUR BACK YARDS THAT ARE PUSHING THESE BILLS. AND PERSONALLY I FEEL HAVING A GUN SANCTUARY IS A GREAT IDEA. I'D LIKE TO SEE IT A PROPOSED BILL FOR THE BALLOT NEXT YEAR WHERE WE SAY THAT THE CITIZENS OF CLAY COUNTY WILL NOT -- IF YOU TRY COMING HERE AND, YOU KNOW, BAN OUR GUNS, TAKE OUR GUNS, ACCESSORIES, WHATEVER IT MAY BE, WE WILL NOT SUPPORT THAT AND WE'RE NOT GOING HELP YOU. AND THEY'RE PROTECTED FROM THAT. THAT'S REALLY ALL I HAVE TO SAY. THANK YOU. >> CHAIRMAN CELLA: THANK YOU. AND THANK YOU 230R YOUR SERVICE. MR. JOHNSON, YOU ARE UP NEXT. AND MS. OWEN YOU WILL BE NEXT AFTER MR. JOHNSON. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: GOOD AFTERNOON. DAVID JOHNSON 2301 PLAINFIELD AVENUE IN ORANGE PARK. I'D LIKE TO PREFACE MY REMARKS BY THANKING FOUR REJECTING THE MOTION TO TABLE. THAT GIVES YOU ALL A CHANCE TO REJECT THIS RESOLUTION TONIGHT INSTEAD OF WAITING UNTIL DECEMBER 10TH. THIS RESOLUTION IS A DANGEROUS THREAT TO THE RULE OF LAW AND TO PUBLIC SAFETY. IT ENCOURAGES LAW ENFORCEMENT TO IGNORE PRUDENT GUN SAFETY LAWS THAT THEY ARE ALL SWORN TO UPHOLD. THIS RESOLUTION FAILS TO RECOGNIZE AND ADDRESS THE NATION'S GUN VIOLENCE EPIDEMIC. THIS RESOLUTION IS DIVISIVE. IT FAILS TO RECOGNIZE AND ADDRESS -- I SAID THAT. SORRY. IT'S DIVISIVE, CONTROVERSIAL AND DIVERTS BCC ATTENTION FROM TENDING TO COUNTY BUSINESS. THIS RESOLUTION ALSO SUPPORTS THE FALSE PERCEPTION THAT RESPONSIBLE POSSESSION AND USE OF GUNS FOR TARGET PRACTICE, HUNTING AND SELF-DEFENSE, ARE ALL THREATENED. WE DON'T WANT TO TAKE YOUR GUNS AWAY. WE WANT TO PROTECT THE PUBLIC SAFETY. PLEASE REJECT THIS RESOLUTION. [00:50:01] THANK YOU. >> CHAIRMAN CELLA: THANK YOU, MR. JOHNSON. [APPLAUSE] PLEASE KEEP THE APPLAUSE. THIS IS A BUSINESS MEETING. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: SHERYL OWENS 7980 STATE ROAD 100, KEYSTONE HEIGHTS. I'M A SECOND AMENDMENT SUPPORTER. EVEN THOUGH I AM OF THE OPPOSITE POLITICAL PERSUASION AS ALL OF YOU ARE. I OWN A GUN. IT'S THE GUN MY GRANDFATHER DIED WITH. UNFORTUNATELY, IN A HUNTING ACCIDENT. SO I UNDERSTAND GUNS. I WAS RAISED WITH THEM. MY FATHER AND ALL MY FAMILY MEMBERS ARE VETERANS. HOWEVER, I BELIEVE THERE ARE TIMES WHEN GUNS ARE NOT APPROPRIATE. I BELIEVE THAT THERE IS A POINT THAT THIS COUNTRY NEEDS TO BEGIN TO DEAL WITH THE TYPES OF GUNS THAT ARE OUT THERE ON THE STREETS. I BELIEVE THE TIME IS NOW. I BELIEVE THIS RESOLUTION IS RIDICULOUS. THERE'S NO NEED FOR IT. YOU ALREADY SUPPORT THE SECOND AMENDMENT BY THE VERY FACT THAT YOU TOOK AN OATH TO SUPPORT CONSTITUTION. THE CONSTITUTION ALREADY SUPPORTS THE OWNERSHIP OF GUNS. IT'S VERY CLEAR. THERE IS NO NEED FOR THIS RESOLUTION. IT IS FEAR MONGERING ON THE PART OF CERTAIN COUNTY COMMISSIONERS. IT IS NOT NEEDED. I ALSO WOULD REMIND YOU THT YOU ARE IN A MODE WHERE YOU WANT TO ATTRACT TOURISTS, CONVENTIONS AND CONFERENCES. HOW DOES IT LOOK TO THOSE ENTITIES WHEN THEY GO TO RESEARCH THIS COUNTY AND THEY FIND THAT THIS COUNTY IS ON RECORD AS SUPPORTING A GUN RIGHTS RESOLUTION? PERSONALLY, I WOULD LOOK ELSEWHERE IF I WERE ONE OF THOSE ENTITIES. BECAUSE IT SAYS SOMETHING ABOUT AN ULTRA-CONSERVATIVE COUNTY. I WOULDN'T WANT TO COME HERE. I THINK YOU NEED TO THINK SERIOUSLY ABOUT WHAT THIS RESOLUTION SAYS ABOUT THIS COUNTY IN THE BROAD SPECTRUM OF THINGS. THANK YOU. >> CHAIRMAN CELLA: THANK YOU, MS. OWENS. [APPLAUSE] PLEASE, FOLKS, I KNOW YOU APPRECIATE HER COMMENTS BUT WE PREFER NOT TO HAVE APPLAUSE OR CAT CALLING. MR. COUGHLIN, YOU ARE UP NEXT. FOLLOWED BY MARY MCDERMOTT THEN ANGELA HUGGINS. W'LL SEE IF WE CAN GET THROUGH ALL THREE BEFORE 5:00. DAVE COU COUGHLIN? COME ON DOWN. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: DAVID COUGHLIN, 23 WEIDNER WAY ORANGE PARK. THIS RESOLUTION EMPLOYS THE OPERATIVE AND PROVOCATIVE TERM "SANCTUARY" WHICH IN 21ST CENTURY AMERICAN VERNACULAR IMPLIES A GEOGRAPHIC ENCLAVE WHERE IN LEGITIMATE LAWS MAY BE IGNORED. EVERY COMMISSIONER PRESENT IS ON RECORD TAKING AN OATH TO PROTECT THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION. HENCE, ANY ATTEMPT TO WRAP A SANCTUARY RESOLUTION AROUND THE CONSTITUTION IS AT BEST UNNECESSARY AND IN REALITY DENIES IT AS OUR HIGHEST LAW. SIMPLY BRINGING THIS RESOLUTION TO A VOTE WILL POSITION THE BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS AS ENABLERS OF A ROGUE, UNCONSTITUTIONAL CONSTRUCT KNOWN AS THE SANCTUARY CITY OR, IN THIS CASE, SANCTUARY COUNTY, WHICH IS SOMEHOW EXCUSED FROM CONFORMING TO THE JUDICIAL NORMS AND REMEDIES ALREADY ENABLED BY THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION WHICH HAS SERVED OUR REPUBLIC WELL FOR 230 YEARS. SOME IN THIS ROOM MIGHT SAY, EVIL DOERS SEEK TO DENY OUR SECOND AMENDMENT GUARANTEE WHAT'S ARE WE TO DO. TO WHICH THERE IS ONE RESPONSE. WE'LL SEE YOU IN COURT. GENTLEMEN, EACH OF YOU UNDERSTAND THE ABSURDITY OF THIS RESOLUTION AS WELL AS THE JOINTLY VEILED CONSEQUENCES OF DENYING THE SANCTUARY CONSTRUCT. EXCUSE ME, DIGNIFYING. YOU HAVE BEEN AMBUSHED BY THE SELF-SERVING PANNDERING OF ITS [00:55:11] AUTHOR. YOU ARE ADVISED DO NOT DIGNIFY THIS RESOLUTION. DENY THIS RESOLUTION A VOTE BY THE FULL BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS LEST YOU PLACE YOURSELF IN LEAGUE WITH THE ANTI-CONSTITUTIONALS SEEKING CARVE OUTS FOR THE PURPOSE OF IGNORING LEGITIMATE LAWS REYNOLDDIES. THANK YOU. >> CHAIRMAN CELLA: THANK YOU. MARY MCDER MOUNTAIN FOLLOWED BY ANGELA HUGGINS. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: HELLO. GOOD TO SEE YOU ALL. APPRECIATE YOU ALL LETTING US SPEAK. I'D LIKE TO START WITH INTIMATE PARTNER VIOLENCE AND GUN VIOLENCE IN THE U.S. OR INEXPLICABLY LINKED IMPACTING WOMEN, FAMILY AND COMMUNITIES ACROSS THE COUNTRY. ABUSE ERRS ARE FIREARMS WITH FIVE TIMES MORE LIKELY TO KILL KILL THEIR VICTIMS. AND GUNS EXACERBATE THE POWER AND CONTROL BY ABUSERS. EVERY MONTH AN AVERAGE OF 52 WOMEN ARE SHOT AND KILLED BY AN INTIMATE PARTNER. NEARLY ONE MILLION WOMEN ALIVE TODAY HAVE REPORTED BEING SHOT OR SHOT AT BY AN INTIMATE PARTNER. AND FOUR-AND-A-HALF MILLION WOMEN HAVE REPORTED BEING THREATENED WITH A FUN. IN MORE THAN HALF OF MASS SHOOTINGS, OVER THE PAST DECADE, THE PERPETRATOR SHOT A CURRENT OR FORMER INTIMATE PARTNER OR FAMILY MEMBER AS PART OF THE RAMPAGE. THE RIPPLE AFFECTS OF FIREARMS IN THE HANDS OF AN ABUSER EXTEND FAR BEYOND THE INTIMATE RELATIONSHIP AFFECTING CHILDREN WHO WITNESS OR LIVE WITH IT AND THE FAMILY MEMBERS, COWORKERS AND LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS WHO RESPOND TO IT. WE PASSED A LAW IN FLORIDA LAST YEAR, RISK PROTECTION ORDER, WHICH IS A RED FLAG LAW. I READ THAT COMMISSIONER ROLLINS BELIEVES THAT GIVES NO DUE PROCESS AND DOES NOT LIKE RED FLAG LAWS. RED FLAG LAWS CAN SAVE LIVES AND DO SAVE LIVES. THERE IS DUE PROCESS. THE POLICE, YOU KNOW, YOU GO TO THE POLICE, YOU SAY THIS PERSON IS A DANGER. IF THEY FEEL THAT IS CORRECT, THEY GO TO A JUDGE AND THEY GET THE ORDER. THAT IS DUE PROCESS. THE PERSON IS ABLE TO TALK TO THE JUDGE TO TELL THEM WHY THEY FEEL THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO RETAIN THEIR GUNS AND IS ALSO IF THEY ARE TAKEN AWAY ABLE TO COME BACK AND GET THEM BACK AT A LATER DATE. SO, YOU KNOW, WHEN MAYBE THINGS HAVE SETTLED DOWN OR WHATEVER. SO, ANYWAY, THERE IS DUE PROCESS. I DO FEEL THAT SOMEONE WHO WANTS TO LIVE THEIR LIFE SHOULD HAVE MORE RIGHTS THAN SOMEONE WHO WANTS TO MURDER THEM. SORRY, I GUESS THAT'S PRETTY MUCH WHAT I WANTED TO SAY. I AGREE WITH THE PREVIOUS PEOPLE WHO SAID THIS IS NOT NEEDED. YOU ALREADY SUPPORT THE SECOND AMENDMENT AS WE ALL DO BECAUSE WE SUPPORT OUR CONSTITUTION. YOU KNOW, I'M NOT AGAINST PEOPLE HAVING GUNS FOR PROTECTION THE. WE HAVE ONE IN OUR HOME. BUT I DON'T NEED TO HAVE 75 OF THEM AND THOUSANDS OF ROUNDS OF AMMUNITION TO PROTECT MY HOME. SO THANK YOU. >> CHAIRMAN CELLA: THANK YOU. MS. HUGGINS, ANGELA, HUGGINS, WILL BE THE LAST OF OUR ROUND. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: I GOT A CARD IN >> CHAIRMAN CELLA: I KNOW BUT THAT'S THE LAST BEFORE WE GO ON OUR TIME CERTAINS. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: ANGELA HUGGINS. 1852 HICKORY TRACE DRIVE IN FLEMING ISLAND. MY FAMILY AND I COME FROM A LONG HISTORY OF MILITARY. MY HUSBAND IS CURRENTLY IN THE MILITARY. HAS SERVED FOR 34 YEARS. I SUPPORT MY HUSBAND AND OUR FAMILY SUPPORTS THE SECOND AMENDMENT. I DON'T THINK THERE ARE MANY PEOPLE IN OUR COUNTRY THAT DON'T SUPPORT THE CONSTITUTION AND THE AMENDMENT. I TRUST EACH OF YOU SUPPORT THAT AS WELL. I DO, HOWEVER, BELIEVE THAT THIS RESOLUTION DOES NOT PROTECT THE PEOPLE OF OUR COUNTY. I BELIEVE THAT YOUR GOAL AND MISSION AS THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS IS TO PROVIDE FOR THE QUALITY OF LIFE, SAFETY AND HEALTH OF OUR CITIZENS. I ASK, DO YOU BELIEVE THAT THIS RESOLUTION MAKES US SAFER? I HAVE MANY FRIENDS THAT ARE IN LAW ENFORCEMENT AND I UNDERSTAND THAT SHERIFF DANIELS HAS SUPPORTED THIS. I QUESTION WHETHER OR NOT THE INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE UNDER HIM WOULD FULLY UNDERSTAND THAT IF WE CHOOSE TO GO DOWN THIS PATH OF PICK AND CHOOSING WHICH LAWS TO ABIDE BY, HOW IS THAT GOING TO PROTECT THEM? HOW DOES THAT PROTECT OUR CITIZENS? AND THE PRECEDENCE THIS IS SETTING IS QUITE DISTURBING TO ME. THAT WE WOULD FEEL THAT WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO DICTATE WHICH LAWS WE ARE GOING [01:00:03] TO ADHERE TO. AND, YOU KNOW, I KNOW THAT THE PRINTZ JURISDICTION THAT CAME DOWN FROM THE SUPREME COURT STATED THAT THE STATE DOES NOT HAVE TO ADHERE TO FEDERAL LAW. WE ARE NOT THE STATE. THIS IS A COUNTY. WE ARE TO ADHERE TO THE STATE OF FLORIDA LAW. AND I TRUST THAT WE ARE GOING TO DO THAT. THAT WE WILL CONTINUE TO DO THAT. MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS THAT WE ARE NOT GOING TO PROTECT THE CITIZENS OF THIS GREAT COUNTY. AND I AM SO GRATEFUL TO BE HERE. I KNOW THAT EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU HAVE IN YOUR HEART TO DO THE RIGHT THING AND THAT YOU WANT TO PROTECT THE PEOPLE OF THIS COUNTY. AND I ASK THAT YOU OPPOSE THIS RESOLUTION BECAUSE I DON'T BELIEVE THAT IT WILL. >> CHAIRMAN CELLA: THANK YOU, MS. HUGGINS. APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. IT IS 5:04. WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A TIME-OUT FROM THE DISCUSSION THAT WE'RE HAVING ON ITEM 9. WE HAVE TIME CERTAINS THAT ARE ADVERTISED. SO WE MUST DO THOSE PRIOR TO CONTINUING ANYTHING ELSE ON THE AGENDA. SO, WE'RE GOING GO TO NUMBER 10. [10.  5:00 Time Certain or as soon thereafter as can be heard - Final Public Hearing to Consider Rezoning Application Z-19-15 BA-2 to BB-3 (PC Voted 7-0 to Approve)] AND WE'LL BACKTRACK TO NUMBER 9 AS SOON AS WE'RE DONE HERE WITH THESE THREE ITEMS. THE FIRST IS A PUBLIC HEARING TO RECONSIDER ZONING APPLICATION Z-1915 BA-2 TO BB-3. >> SPEAKER: THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN. REQUESTING A CHANGE FROM BA-2 TO BB-3. THE PARCEL IS APPROXIMATELY 1.28 ACRES. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CHANGE TO DEVELOP THE PROPERTY AS USE IS PERMITTED. PRIMARILY BUSINESS WAREHOUSING AND OR RV AND BOAT STORAGE. SURROUNDING ZONINGS ARE TO THE NORTH AR, EAST VB, TO THE SOUTH IS COUNTY ROAD 218 BUT BB IS ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF 218 AS WELL. TO THE WEST IS BB4. THIS IS AN AERIAL VIEW OF THE SITE AND JUST A COUPLE OF SITE PHOTOS. STAFF HAS REVIEWED THE APPLICATION DETERMINED THE REQUEST IS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMP PLAN. WITH THAT WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL AND ALSO PLANNING COMMISSION VOTING UNANIMOUSLY TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL. >> CHAIRMAN CELLA: ANY QUESTIONS FOR CHAD ON THE ITEM? ALL RIGHT. HEARING NONE, THEN WE'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. ANYONE INTERESTED IN SPEAKING SPECIFICALLY ON THIS REZONING APPLICATION? SEEING NONE, WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND BRING IT BACK TO THE BOARD. COMMISSIONER ROLLINS, THIS IS IN YOUR DISTRICT. >> BOARD MEMBER: MOVE FOR APPROVAL IF THERE'S NO OBJECTIONS. >> BOARD MEMBER: SECOND. >> CHAIRMAN CELLA: ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES [11.  5:00 Time Certain or as soon thereafter as can be heard - Final Public Hearing to Consider Rezoning Application Z-19-17 RA to PS-1 (PC Vote 7-0 to Approve)] 5-0. WE MOVE ON TO NUMBER 11. THIS IS A FINAL PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER REZONING APPLICATION Z-1917. >> SPEAKER: THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING CHANGE IN ZONING FROM RA TO PS1. THE PARCEL IS APPROXIMATELY SEVEN ACRES. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CHANGE IN ZONING IN ORDER TO REDEVELOP THE PROPERTY AS A CHURCH. THE PROPERTY CURRENTLY IS A PREVIOUSLY NON-CONFORMING RETAIL STRUCTURE. TO THE NORTH IS STATE ROAD 100. TO THE EAST, RC. TO THE SOUTH LAKE GENEVA. TO THE WEST IS RA. THIS IS AN AERIAL VIEW OF THE SITE AND A COUPLE OF THE PHOTOGRAPHS OF THE EXISTING BUILDING. STAFF HAS REVIEWED THE APPLICATION AND DETERMINED THE REQUEST IS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND COMBAT WILL BE THE SURROUNDING AREA. WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION VOTING TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL. >> CHAIRMAN CELLA: WHEN IS THE ZONING RC? >> THE RC IS A DUPLEX ZONING. IT'S CURRENTLY A NON-CONFORMING MOBILE HOME PARK BUT IT IS DUPLEX, TRI-PLEX ZONING. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR CHAD AT THIS TIME? WE DO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING WHICH WE'LL OPEN NOW. ANYONE INTERESTED IN SPEAKING ON THIS ISSUE, APPLICATION FOR REZONING Z-1917? HEARING NONE, WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. MR. AUTO, DO YOU HAVE A CARD IN HERE? >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: I GAVE YOU CARDS FOR ALL OF THEM. >> CHAIRMAN CELLA: I DON'T HAVE NUMBER 11. GO AHEAD. WE'LL REOPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: JAMES AUTO SEX AND BUDS CLAY COUNTY FLORIDA HOTELS 2904-2910, BLANDING BOULEVARD. YOU ARE TRYING TO PUT THIS TO ANOTHER TAX PAID PROPERTY ONCE YOU CHANGE THE ZONING IT'S NO LONGER GOING TO PROVIDE ANY TAXES FOR THE COUNTY. I WOULD BE AGAINST IT. YOU ARE GOING TO SEE A LOT OF CHURCHES POPPING UP BECAUSE OF THE NEW ORDINANCE THAT YOU GUYS [01:05:02] JUST PASSED FROM 1,000 TO 2,000 SQUARE FOOT FOR THESE PEOPLE THAT ARE REGISTERING. SO, I DON'T THINK YOU SHOULD SUPPORT THIS AT ALL AT THIS TIME. THERE'S PLENTY OF CHURCHES IN CLAY COUNTY. YOU EVEN CHANGED YOUR SEAL AND ADDED MORE CHURCHES TO IT AT A COST OF LIKE $110,000. >> CHAIRMAN CELLA: WRONG, MR. AUTO. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: PROBABLY MORE. >> CHAIRMAN CELLA: NO. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: WITH ALL THE CHANGES YOU GOT TO DO TO THEM, YOU GOT TO REDO ALL OF YOUR STATIONARY AND ALL THAT STUFF. SO WE NEED TO REALLY LOOK AT THE AMOUNT OF CHURCHES AND THE AMOUNT OF SQUARE FOOTAGE WE'RE GOING TO ALLOW ESPECIALLY IN MR. ROLLINS' AREA. BECAUSE IT'S REALLY GOING TO PUSH ALL THE REGISTERED FOLKS, CITIZENS OUT TO HIS DISTRICT. I WOULD DEFINITELY ASK YOU TO VOTE NO ON ANYMORE CHURCHES. PUT A MORATORIUM ON THEM UNTIL SUCH TIME AS YOU GET THE NEW ORDINANCE ALL TAKEN CARE OF AND SEE IF IT'S REALLY A LEGAL THING TO DO. I'LL FORWARD THAT MINUTE PLUS BACK TO YOU. >> CHAIRMAN CELLA: THANK YOU, MR. AUTO. ANYONE ELSE? CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND BRING IT BACK TO THE BOARD. BOTH STAFF AND PLANNING/ZONING HAVE RECOMMENDED. >> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: I MOVE FOR APPROVAL. >> CHAIRMAN CELLA: ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES 5-0. NUMBER 12 WHICH IS THE FINAL PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER EXISTING BORROW PIT [12.  5:00 Time Certain or as soon thereafter as can be heard -Final Public Hearing to Consider Existing Borrow Pit Expansion (Wisteria)] EXPANSION AT WISTERIA. >> UNDER YOUR CURRENT BORROW PIT REGULATIONS YOU ARE ONLY ALLOWED TO DO 25% OF THE PROPERTY. THIS IS THE RECENT CHANGES THAT WE MADE TO THE BORROW PIT ORDINANCE. THE CURRENT APPLICANT WOULD LIKE TO EXTEND THAT. THE ONLY WAY THEY CAN DO THAT CAPPED AT 50 PERCENT IS TO REQUEST IT. WHAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR TODAY IS AN EXPANSION OF THEIR EXISTING BORROW PIT THEY'VE PERMITTED. THE TOTAL SIDES IS 4.71 ACRES. THE PERMITTED BORROW PIT TODAY IS 102.7 ACRES AND THE REQUEST TONIGHT WOULD BE TO INCREASE THAT BY 195 ACRES. WITH THAT THE APPLICANT IS HERE. STAFF DOESN'T OFFER A FORMAL RECOMMENDATION ON THIS ISSUE. IT'S UP TO THE BOARD. >> CHAIRMAN CELLA: OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS FOR CHAD ON WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH THIS? COMMISSION HENDRY'S DISTRICT. ALL RIGHT. LET'S OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING THEN. SUSAN, YOU ARE REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT? >> SPEAKER: I AM. SUSAN FRAZIER 3517 PARK STREET IN JACKSONVILLE. AS CHAD HAS INDICATED THIS SITE IS ACTUALLY AN ACTIVE BORROW PIT TODAY. THE BORROW PIT PERMIT ISSUED IN 2014. IT'S ABOUT 102 ACRES IN AREA. WHEN THE D.O.T. CAME ALONG THEY TOOK PART OF THE PERMITTED BORROW PIT. SO WHAT YOU SEE HERE IS A PLAN OF DEVELOPMENT THAT HAS BEEN APPROVED FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY AND THE PROPOSED BORROW PIT EXPANSION WOULD REPLACE. SO, CURRENTLY THERE IS A SITE PLAN THAT'S APPROVED UNDER THE LAKE ASBURY MASTER PLAN THAT ALLOWS SINGLE FAMILY RESI RESIDENTIAL. DO YOU HAVE THE PLAN? THIS IS THE EXISTING BORROW PIT THAT'S PERMITTED TODAY. SO, THIS IS ON SANDRIDGE ROAD AT FEED MILL WHERE FEED MILL COMES OUT TO THE EAST OF THE EXPRESSWAY. SO THE WHOLE WESTERN PROPERTY LINE OF THIS PROPERTY IS THE FIRST COAST EXPRESSWAY. SO THAT AREA HAS BEEN RECENTLY CLEARED TO THE WEST OF THE EXPRESSWAY IS THE ROLLING HILLS SUBDIVISION. THERE'S ACTUALLY AN APF, ADEQUATE PUBLIC FACILITIES ROAD, THAT RUNS FROM SANDRIDGE DOWN TO THE INTERCHANGE AT THE ACTIVITY CENTER. THAT LIES BETWEEN THE D.O.T. RIGHT-OF-WAY AND ROLLING HILLS SUBDIVISION. SO, WHEN YOU GO DOWN TO ROLLING HILLS NOW, THERE'S A ROAD CALLED ROLLING VIEW DRIVE AND IT'S ABOUT 50 FEED WIDE. THE COUNTY PERMITTED A SUBSTANDARD ROAD. THIS PROJECT ACTUALLY HAS LEFT AND THE D.O.T. ALIGNMENT LEAVES THE ADDITIONAL 30 FEET. IN THE END TLTS AN 80 FOOT RIGHT-OF-WAY BETWEEN THE D.O.T. EXPRESSWAY RIGHT-OF-WAY AND ROLLING HILLS SUBDIVISION. IF THE COUNTY SHOULD DETERMINE IN THE FUTURE THAT CONNECTION IS APPROPRIATE THAT RIGHT-OF-WAY HAS BEEN RETAINED. SO, JUST TO SET YOU UP. THERE'S KIND OF HOUSING TO OUR WEST. THERE'S A COLLECTOR ROAD, IF YOU WILL, A CLAY COUNTY COLLECTOR ROAD. THERE'S A 324 FOOT RIGHT-OF-WAY FOR THE EXPRESSWAY. SO, THIS IS THE PROPOSAL IS TO EXPAND THIS CURRENT PERMITTED BORROW PIT FROM 102 WHICH IS ABOUT 25% OF THE PROPERTY TO THE MAXIMUM PERMITTED UNDER YOUR CURRENT ORDINANCE WHICH IS 50% OF THE PROPERTY. THE PROPOSAL IS TO EXPAND IT IN PHASES. SO, THIS [01:10:05] WOULD NOT BE A SITE THAT'S OPEN TO BORROW PIT ACTIVITY OVER THE ENTIRE SITE AT ANY ONE TIME. THIS PARTICULAR SITE BECOMES EXCAVATED, IF YOU WILL, THERE'S DEMAND FOR THIS SOIL, IT'S GOING TO THE FIRST COAST EXPRESSWAY. THIS IS THAT FAB YOU LUES SAND THAT BUILDS THE OVERPASSES. SO IT'S RIGHT WHERE WE WANT IT. SO, IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, THE NEXT EXPANSION AS THIS EXISTING PIT BECOMES CLOSED IT WILL BE CLOSED, IT WILL BE GRADED TO HAVE 401 SLOPES AND GRAPHED. THERE'S VEGETATION REQUIRED. THAT WOULD OPEN THE NEXT PHASE OF EXCAVATION. SO IT WOULD MOVE THROUGH THE PROPERTY UNTIL ULTIMATELY THE MAJORITY OF THE UPLAND AREA WOULD BE LARGE LAKES. WHEN THESE ARE RESTORED, THEY'LL BE WATER BODIES WITH SHORELINES AND NATIVE GRASSES AND WE HOPE LOTS OF BIRDS. SO THE SQUARE THAT IS TO THE LEFT, ON YOUR DRAWING, THAT IS ACTUALLY A D.O.T. STORM WATER POND. SO THAT'S PERMITTED AS PART OF THE FIRST COAST EXPRESSWAY. AS CHAD INDICATED, YOUR NEW ORDINANCE REQUIRES THE BOARD APPROVAL FOR ANY BORROW PIT ACTIVITY THAT EXCEEDS 25% OF THE AREA OF THE PROPERTY. CURRENTLY THE PERMIT WE HAVE IS ABOUT 25%. SO, TO DO THIS EXPANSION UP TO THE MAXIMUM ALLOWED WE NEED YOUR PERMISSION TO DO THAT. IF YOU ARE SO INCLINED TO VOTE FOR THIS THIS EVENING, THEN WE WOULD SUBMIT AN APPLICATION TO THE STAFF THAT WOULD BE ALL THE ENGINEERING DETAILS. IT WOULD BE ALL THE DESIGN DRAWING AND THE CROSS SECTIONS AND THE FENCING DETAILS. AND THEY WOULD REVIEW THAT FOR COMPLIANCE WITH THE ORDINANCE THAT YOU PASSED. SO I HAVE TIM ATKINS HERE TONIGHT. HE IS THE ENGINEER FOR THE CURRENT BORROW PIT. HE CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE ABOUT ANY OF THE EXPANSION OPPORTUNITIES. I HAVE MR. BOREE WHO REPRESENTS THE OWNER ABOUT THE CURRENT OPERATIONS AND ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE ABOUT HOW IT WILL CONTINUE TO BE OPERATED. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. >> CHAIRMAN CELLA: COMMISSIONER? >> COMMISSIONER HENDRY: THANK YOU. THE BULK OF THE SAND THAT WILL BE MINED OUT OF THAT FACILITY UNDERSTOOD YOU TO SAY IT WAS GOING TO BE USED AT THAT SITE MORE OR LESS AS OPPOSED TO BE BEING TRUCKED OVER THE ROADS OF THE COUNTY? >> SPEAKER: YES. THE CONTRACTS ARE WITH THE FIRST COAST EXPRESSWAY. SO, CURRENTLY THE MAJORITY OF THE SAND, I CAN'T SAY SOME OF IT DOESN'T LEAK OUT TO A SUBDIVISION IN THE IMMEDIATE AREA, BUT THE VAST MAJORITY IS SPOKEN FOR BY THE EXPRESSWAY. BECAUSE THE RIGHT-OF-WAY FOR THE EXPRESSWAY IS IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO THIS SITE, MUCH OF THAT ACTIVITY CAN OCCUR WITHOUT GOING ON TO A COUNTY ROAD AT ALL. AND IT CAN GO RIGHT INTO THE EXPRESSWAY RIGHT-OF-WAY FOR DISTRIBUTION. >> CHAIRMAN CELLA: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: WHAT'S IN THIS FOR THE COUNTY? >> SPEAKER: I WOULD SAY THE SERVICE OF THE DEMAND FOR THE SOIL FOR FIRST COAST EXPRESSWAY. AND THAT DEMAND WILL BE MET SOMEWHERE IN CLAY COUNTY. AND THE FURTHER YOU ARE FROM THE DESTINATION, THE FARTHER THOSE TRUCKS WILL TRAVEL ON YOUR ROADS. SO, THIS DEMAND IS NOT SERVING AN ADVANTAGE TO ST. JOHN'S OR EVEN ANOTHER LOCATION IN CLAY COUNTY. THE DEMAND IS IMMEDIATELY APPROXIMATE. AND IT'S D.O.T. AND THE EXPRESSWAY. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: WHEN WE'RE FINISHED WE'RE GOING TO HAVE BIG HOLES IN THE GROUND THAT ARE GOING TO BE LAKES? >> SPEAKER: CORRECT. AND MR. ATKINS CAN TALK TO YOU ABOUT THE WATER ROUNDTABLE AND THE RESTORATION PLANS. BECAUSE WE HAVE A BORROW PIT IN PLACE ALREADY WE HAVE ALL THE PLANS IN PLACE. THEY'LL BE REPLICATED IF. THE CURRENT ORDINANCE REQUIRES US TO PROVIDE THAT TO YOU UNTIL WE GET APPROVAL TO DIG ANYMORE AREA. WE SEE THIS AS BEING AN AMENITY IN THE END VERSUS THE PLAN THAT WE HAVE WHICH WOULD CONTRIBUTE SOME 360 HOUSES TO LAKE ASBURY WHEN THERE ARE MANY, MANY HOUSES IN LAKE ASBURY PLANNED TODAY. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: BUT THAT'S A HIT ON THE TAX BASE RIGHT? WHAT ARE WE DOING WITH THE PROPERTY WHEN IT'S FINISHED? IT BELONGS TO SOMEBODY, RIGHT? >> SPEAKER: THE OWNERSHIP WOULD REMAIN WITH THE CURRENT OWNERS. THEY HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO PERHAPS DIVIDE -- PUT A COUPLE OF HOUSES, BIG RURAL LOTS. SO, THERE MAY BE A MARKET FOR THAT RANCH HOUSE ON A 40 ACRE LAKE AND SOMEONE COULD BUY THAT. AGAIN, THE MAJORITY OF THE PROPERTY IS GOING BE NATURALIZED LAKES THAT COMPLIMENT THE ET WITH ATLANTA -- WETLANDS ON THE SITE. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: CHAD WHEN WE WERE DRAFTING THIS WHAT WAS THE THINKING OF STOPPING IT AT 25 PERCENT >> THE GENERAL RESTRICTION THAT WE HAD PREVIOUSLY. WE ADDED IN THERE -- CASE IN POINT IN THESE LARGER ACREAGED BORROW PITS THAT THAT 25 MAY BECOME TOO RESTRICTIVE WHEN YOU MIGHT NEED MORE. WE GAVE THE OPTION TO THE BOARD, YOU KNOW, IF IT DEEMED [01:15:01] SUITABLE TO EXTEND THAT AN ADDITIONAL 25% BUT CAPPED FULLY AT 50%. THEY CAN'T DO ANYMORE >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: WHY IS THAT >> THAT'S THE CAP WE CHOSE TO PUT IT. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: THERE WAS NO SCIENCE BEHIND THAT. >> SPEAKER: NOT REALLY. SPEAKS THE LOCATION IS ADJACENT TO NO ONE. THE PROPERTY CURRENTLY IS ADJACENT TO THE SANDRIDGE DAIRY WHICH HAS DEVELOPMENT PLANS BUT NO ONE LIVING THERE TODAY. WE HAVE THE EXPRESSWAY ON THE WESTERN BOUNDARY. WE HAVE RIND HOLT TO THE SOUTH AND A LARGE WETLAND SYSTEM TO THE SOUTH. BY THE TIME WE'RE IN AND OUT IN THIS FIVE-YEAR PERMIT PERIOD, THE HOUSES WILL START TO APPEAR IN THIS AREA BUT THEY WON'T BE SUBJECT TO THE ACTIVITIES OF THE BORROW PIT FOR PEOPLE LIVING THERE TODAY. AGAIN, THE ROLLING HILLS SUBDIVISION IS 400 FEET AWAY ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE EXPRESSWAY. SO WE HATE TO SAY IT, BUT THEIR GREATEST ANNOYANCE WILL BE CONSTRUCTION OF THE EXPRESSWAY AND PROBABLY NOT US. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT. >> CHAIRMAN CELLA: ANYTHING ELSE? SO, ON THE MAP, THE CURRENT PIT IS THE ONE THAT'S DESIGNATED AS 1A AND 1B? >> SPEAKER: CORRECT. AND THERE WAS 1C. 1C WAS MOSTLY PURCHASED BY THE D.O.T. OR ACQUIRED WHEN THEY AWIRE -- ACQUIRED THE EXPRESSWAY RIGHT-OF-WAY. >> CHAIRMAN CELLA: FINAL THREE WILL BE PIT 1, 2 AND 3. >> SPEAKER: IS THERE ONE MORE, CHAD? THERE YOU GO. THERE'S PNUMBER 4. >> CHAIRMAN CELLA: EVENTUALLY NUMBER 4. >> SPEAKER: SO IT JUST SEQUENCE ITS WAY DOWN. BECAUSE WE'VE GOT ACCESS TO THE EXPRESSWAY A LOT OF THE HAULING WILL BE TO THE EXPRESSWAY RIGHT-OF-WAY. THEY ACCESS SANDRIDGE ROAD. THERE IS AN ACTIVE BORROW PIT OPERATION. SO THE VOLUME OF TRAFFIC THAT YOU SEE WILL NOT INCREASE. IT WILL JUST GO ON FOR A LONGER PERIOD OF TIME. BUT THE TRUCKS AND THE VOLUME YOU ARE SEEING TODAY IS WHAT WILL CONTINUE FOR THE DURATION OF THIS PARTICULAR PERMIT. >> CHAIRMAN CELLA: THOSE PROPERTIES DIRECTLY TO THE EAST, I GUESS IT WOULD BE ABOUT HALFWAY DOWN THE PROPERTY AND THEY'RE DESIGNATED WITH THE LAST NAMES. WHAT KIND OF BUFFER ARE WE PUTTING IN FOR THOSE FOLKS? >> SPEAKER: THERE'S CURRENTLY A BERM AND I THINK WE CAN TALK ABOUT WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. THERE'S CURRENTLY A BERM BETWEEN THE EXISTING BORROW PIT. THAT'S MR. WRIGHT'S PROPERTY. THIS PROPERTY WAS ACTUALLY PURCHASED FROM MR. WRIGHT. SO, THIS IS PART OF THE OLD DAIRY. THE LARGER DAIRY. THOSE ARE ALL FAMILY MEMBERS ON FAMILY LOTS DOWN FEED MILL IT IS A DIRT ROAD. SO, THERE IS A BERM TODAY. DO YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT -- I THINK IT IS A SIX FOOT BERM THERE TODAY. WE'VE TALKED TO THOSE NEIGHBORS. >> CHAIRMAN CELLA: OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR SUSAN? ALL RIGHT. SUSAN, WE'LL STANDBY AND SEE IF ANYBODY HAS ANYTHING THAT WE NEED TO ANSWER. I HAVE NO CARD ODDS THIS. ANYBODY INTERESTED --? SORRY, I DO. YOU ARE CORRECT, MR. AUTO. KEEP IT ON THIS SPECIFIC TOPIC, PLEASE. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: JAMES AUTO. 2904-2910 BLANDING BOULEVARD SEX AND BUDS, CLAY COUNTY, FLORIDA HOTELS. THIS JUST DOESN'T SOUND RIGHT TO ME. AND I APPRECIATE WHAT MR. BOLLA SAID IN ANOTHER MEETING ABOUT CELLULITE. WHY DON'T WE GET A HIGHER TAX FOR THESE CERTAIN TYPES OF ISSUES? THIS WOULD DEFINITELY BE SOMETHING WHERE YOU COULD GET A HIGHER TAX OUT OF THE SITUATION. YOU KNOW, AMENITIES WAS WALKED WITH BUT HOW ABOUT THE ROADS THAT ARE GETTING TORE UP? I MEAN, YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT A LOT MORE TRAFFIC IN AN AREA, I MEAN, THAT'S ALREADY GOING TO HAVE A LOT OF NOISE THERE. WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT OUR AQUIFERS. A LOT OF RUN-OFF GOING INTO THE RECHARGING PONDS. I IMAGINE THE PONDS THEY'RE PUTTING IN ARE RECHARGING FOR A LOT OF THE AQUIFERS AROUND HERE. SINKHOLES TAX CREDITS ARE UNFAIR IN THIS COUNTY. AND I DON'T SEE WHY YOU WOULDN'T GET DIRT ON THE OTHERSIDE OF 301. THAT WOULD BE CLOSER THAN SOME OF THESE AREAS. YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO BE HOPEFULLY FIXING 218 WHICH IS A RED ROAD AND THEY COULD RUN 301 AND COME IN 218 SO THAT'S GOING TO TEAR UP THAT ROAD A LOT THERE. AS I'VE SAID MANY TIMES IN THE PAST THERE'S A HUGE PIECE OF PROPERTY. MR. SMITH CAME IN AND TALKED ABOUT BUILDING A DUMP. >> CHAIRMAN CELLA: IT DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THIS. MR. AUTO, IT DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THIS. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: TAKE THAT DIRT AND OPEN THE COUNTY UP THERE. IT DOES, SIR. IF YOU [01:20:04] LET ME FINISH. >> CHAIRMAN CELLA: NOT ON THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: YOU ARE TRYING TO TAKE DIRT FROM THIS COUNTY AND PUT IT FOR THE HIGHWAY GOING THROUGH. HIGHWAY 23. I'M GIVING YOU AN OPTION THE COUNTY NEEDS TO LOOK AT TO PUT IN A DUMP. IF YOU LOOK AT THE HUGE PIECE OF PROPERTY BY THE TRUCK STOP AT 295, I REALLY DISAGREE THAT ALL THIS DIRT FOR THIS EXPRESSWAY, IT'S GOING TO TAKE AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT THAT IT'S ONLY CLAY COUNTY PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO GET THIS MONEY. I MEAN, YOU GOT COUNTIES THAT CAN ALSO -- STARK'S DOWN THERE. THEY CAN BRING IN DIRT. YOU GOT MELROSE. THE OTHER SIDE OF 301. TO SAY ALL THIS DIRT IS MONEY FOR CLAY COUNTY I DON'T SEE HOW YOU CAN SIT HERE AND ATHAT AT ALL. I REALLY DON'T. AND I'D LIKE AN EXPLANATION ON HOW YOU ARE GOING TO SIT HERE AND SAY THAT CLAY COUNTY'S THE ONLY ONE THAT IS GOING TO SELL THEM DIRT TO THIS OUTER-EXPRESSWAY. >> CHAIRMAN CELLA: THANK YOU, MR. AUTO. YOUR TIME IS UP. ANYONE ELSE? YES, MA'AM? >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: I WOULD JUST LIKE TO ASK IF THERE HAS BEEN -- >> CHAIRMAN CELLA: GET TO THE MICROPHONE FIRST PLEASE. >> SPEAKER: SINCE YOU ARE -- >> CHAIRMAN CELLA: MS. OWENS. PLEASE IDENTIFY YOURSELF FIRST AND YOUR ADDRESS BEFORE YOU LAUNCH -- I SNOW YOU ARE EXCITED. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: CHERYL OWENS. I WOULD ASK THAT. SINCE THEY'RE EXPANDING THE BORROW PIT HAVE THEY EXPANDED THE RESTORATION PLAN. >> CHAIRMAN CELLA: I BELIEVE THAT IS PART OF WHAT MS. FRAZIER ABOUT TALK TO US ABOUT >> THIS IS A REQUEST TO DO THE 50%. THEY WILL HAVE TO SUBSEQUENTLY FILE FOR A PERMIT APPLICATION AS PART OF THAT THAT'S WHEN WE'LL GOT THE RECLAMATION PLAN FOR STAFF REVIEW. THERE WAS NO REAL REASON TO PUSH FORWARD WITH THE APPLICATION IF THE BOARD CHOOSES NOT TO GRANT THE ADDITIONAL 25 FEET. SO, THERE WILL BE AN APPLICATION THAT WILL BE FILED THAT WILL HAVE THE RECLAMATION PLAN IN IT POST THIS MEETING. SO, YOU CHOOSE TO VOTE UP OR DOWN. >> CHAIRMAN CELLA: DOES THAT HELP? >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: THANK YOU. >> CHAIRMAN CELLA: THANK YOU, MA'AM. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? NO. THEN WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND BRING IT BACK TO THE BOARD FOR DISCUSSION. >> IF I MAY? FOR THE BOARD'S EDIFICATION. THIS BECAUSE OF OUR NEW REGULATIONS WE WERE REQUIRED TO ADVERTISE THIS THE SAME WAY WE DO REZONING HEARINGS. NOT ONLY WAS THERE PUBLIC NOTICE THERE WERE PUBLIC SIGNS SENT WITHIN 350 FEET OF THE PROPERTY. >> CHAIRMAN CELLA: ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT PLEASED ME WAS THEY WERE ABLE TO COME TO SOME KIND OF SETTLEMENT WITH THE FOLKS THAT RUN THE AMAZING CROP MAZE UP IN THE RIGHT-HAND CORNER OF THE MAP SO THAT FAMILY OPERATION CONTINUES. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: TELL US ABOUT THE REMEDIATION PLANS. WHAT DO THEY NORMALLY INVOLVE? >> SPEAKER: BECAUSE THIS IS THE FIRST APPLICATION THAT WE'VE HAD SINCE OUR NEW REGULATIONS, WE DID NOT REQUIRE RECLAMATION PLANS TO BEGIN WITH. SO, THIS WITH WILL BE THE FIRST ONE WE'VE SEEN. DALE AND I HAVE TALKED ABOUT IT AND WHAT WE NEED TO SEE WITH REGARDS TO THAT. BUT I CAN'T ANSWER FOR ANYTHING PREVIOUSLY BECAUSE IT WASN'T A REQUIREMENT OF THE OLD PERMITTING SYSTEM ABOUT IS WE DIG A HOLE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE COUNTY, WE WALK AWAY AND NEVER SEE ANYBODY AGAIN. I KNOW YOU ARE NOT LIKE THAT BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE [LAUGHTER] >> SPEAKER: TIM ATKINSON. 6550 ST. AUGUSTINE ROAD JACKSONVILLE. I WENT BACK AND LOOKED AT OUR PERMITS FOR THE INITIAL PHASE WITH THE DISTRICT. ONE THING THAT WE'LL HAVE TO DO LOOKING AT THE SOIL REPORT IS RUN DRAWDOWN ANALYSIS FOR THE GROUNDWATER AROUND THE POND. AND WE HAVE TO DO THAT TO SHOW THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO DEGRADE THE WELLENCE. WE DID THAT IN THE FIRST PHASE AND WE'LL DO THIS ON THE SECOND PHASE. I KNOW THERE ARE A LOT OF REQUIREMENTS FOR US TO HAVE VEGETATIVE BUFFER AROUND THE PERIMETER AND BERMS BOTH FOR BUFFERING THE NEIGHBORS BUT TO KEEPING IT NATURAL GRADE. BEYOND THAT, YOU KNOW, ANYTHING THAT THE COUNTY HAS US DO, WE'VE GOT ROOM TO MAKE OUR EXCAVATION AND DO TRANSITION. PLENTY OF [01:25:01] ROOM AROUND THE PERIMETER TO GET BACK TO NATURAL GRADE. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: IS THIS LIKE STRIP MINING? WHY WOULDN'T YOU JUST GO DEEPER IN THE EXISTING ACREAGE INSTEAD OF STARTING NEW ACHAGE? >> SPEAKER: WELL THERE IS A LIMITED VOLUME. THE SOIL BORINGS THAT WE HAVE SHOW THAT WE'VE GOT GOOD DIRT -- I CAN'T REMEMBER THE DEPTH. I APOLOGIZE. BUT IT'S PRETTY DEEP. BUT THERE IS A LIMIT IF YOU GET BEYOND THAT THEN YOU GET IN TO GETTING CLOSE TO THE LIMEROCK AND YOU WANT TO STAY WELL ABOVE THAT. I THINK WE'VE GOT A -- THAT IS SOMETHING WE LOOKED AT ON THE FIRST PHASE BUT I THINK WE'RE WELL ABOVE THE, YOU KNOW, GETTING NEAR THE AQUIFER OR THAT FIRST HARD LAYER. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: IS SOMEBODY ELSE WATCHING THAT? >> SPEAKER: THE OTHER ENVIRONMENTAL AGENCIES. WATER MANAGEMENT PARTICULARLY. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: OKAY. >> SPEAKER: THEIR PERMIT IS REQUIRED TO BE ON FILE THERE AND ANY OTHER ENVIRONMENTAL PERMITTING BEFORE WE'LL ISSUE OUR PERMIT. >> CHAIRMAN CELLA: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MR. ATKISSON? NO? I GUESS NOT. THANK YOU, SIR. ALL RIGHT WE'RE GOING CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT THIS TIME AND BRING IT TO THE BOARD. COMMISSIONER HELPEDRY IT'S IN YOUR DISTRICT. >> COMMISSIONER HENDRY: REALLY? >> CHAIRMAN CELLA: UNLESS IT MOVED [LAUGHTER] >> COMMISSIONER HENDRY: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. THERE'S A COUPLE OF NOTABLE THINGS AS WE EARLIER. THE DIRT MOST OF IT IS STAYING ON SITE. WE'RE NOT OUT THERE TEARING UP ROADS WITH LARGE DIRT HAULERS. AND THE REQUEST IS FREYERLY BENIGN. WE'RE NOT ENCROACHING NORTH, SOUTH, EAST OR WEST ON ANY DEVELOPMENTS. SO IT'S NOT GOING TO BE A NUISANCE FACTOR INVOLVED. AND ON THE POSITIVE SIDE WILL BE CREATING MORE NESTING AREA FOR BIRDS, FISH, WILD LIFE. SO, THERE'S SOME POSITIVE TO THAT. SO THAT'S ABOUT THE ONLY COMMENTS I'VE GOT ABOUT THAT PROCESS. PLUS THEY WERE ABLE TO WORK OUT, AS YOU MENTIONED COMMISSIONER CELLA, WORK OUT AN AGREEMENT WITH THE EXISTING EVENT OUT THERE THE AMA AMAZING RACE CROP MAZE AND I THINK IT'S GOING TO WORK OUT FINE FOR ALL INTERESTED PARTIES. >> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: IS THAT A MOTION? >> COMMISSIONER HENDRY: IT CAN BE. MOVE FOR APPROVAL. >> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: SECOND. >> CHAIRMAN CELLA: ANY OTHER DISCUSSION AT THIS TIME? ALL IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES 5-0. THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU, SUSAN. THANK YOU, CHAD. NOW WE CAN MOVE BACK AND I APOLOGIZE FOR JUMPING AROUND BUT THOSE ITEMS WERE ADVERTISED AT A CERTAIN TIME. WE'RE DONE WITH THOSE AND WILL COME BACK TO NUMBER 9. MR. RIDDLING IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO LEAD OFF THE NEXT PORTION OF PUBLIC COMMENTS. THE NEXT CARD AFTER THAT IS BILL ELROD. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: CHARLES RIDDLING 2718 RUSSELL ROAD. MR. ROLLINS, I'M IN FAVOR OF WHAT YOU ARE TRYING TO DO. MOST OF THESE PEOPLE THAT ARE COMING UP OBJECTING, THEY PROBABLY CAN'T TELL YOU WHO JAMES MADISON IS AND WHAT HAPPENED IN 1871. BUT AND EVERYBODY BLAMES ALL THESE MASSACRES ON THE GUNS. IT'S NOT THE GUNS. IT'S THE MENTAL ILLNESS. AND PEOPLE WON'T COME AND ADMIT THEY'VE GOT CHILDREN THAT HAVE MENTAL ILLNESS. AND THEY'RE SITTING THERE PEOPLE CAN'T TELL YOU WHAT HAPPENED ON JUNE 18, 1990, BUT I DAMN SURE CAN. IT'S ETCHED IN MY BRAIN FOR THE REST OF MY LIFE. I WORKED ON THE FRIEND OF MINE AND ONE OF YOUR RESIDENTS FROM KEYSTONE HEIGHTS AT THE GMAC MASSACRE. YOU HAD A MENTALLY ILL PERSON THAT WAS PUSHED AND PUSHED AND PUSHED AND PUSHED UNTIL HE FINALLY BROKE. AND HE WENT INTO THAT PLACE AND SHOT UP 13 PEOPLE AT 10:45 A.M. IN THE MORNING. I CAN TELL YOU. IT'S NOT THE GUNS AND EVERYTHING. BUT I DOG GONE SURE DON'T WANT SOMEBODY TAKING MY GUNS BECAUSE THERE'S GOING BE A BLOODY MESS THERE TOO BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT GETTING MY GUNS. I CAN GUARANTEE YOU THAT. BUT THE PEOPLE -- WHAT NEEDS TO BE WORKED ON HERE IS NOT THE SECOND AMENDMENT. WHAT NEEDS TO BE WORKED ON IS THE MENTAL ILLNESS. [01:30:01] AND IF YOU NOTICED, ALL THESE MASSACRES THAT'S BEEN, IT'S BEEN 15, 16, 18, 19, 20-YEAR-OLDS. HATESMENT BEEN THE OLD GOATS LIKE ME. THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE TO DO IS START ADMITTING THAT YOU'VE GOT A CHILD THAT'S GOT A MENTAL ILLNESS AND GO GET SOMETHING DONE ABOUT IT. AND GET SOMETHING OUT THERE THAT YOU CAN TAKE YOUR KID TO AND FIX THE MENTAL ILLNESS. IF YOU GOT SOMEBODY THAT'S GOT MENTAL ILLNESS, GET THE GUNS OUT OF YOUR HOUSE. DON'T COME AFTER SOMEBODY WHO'S GOT EVERYTHING TOGETHER AND TRY TO TAKE OUR GUNS. YOU TAKE THE ONES WHERE THE PROBLEM IS. AND THE PROBLEM IS THE MENTAL ILLNESS. THEY TELL YOU TO LOOK AT THE PULSE NIGHT CLUB, WELL THE PULSE NIGHT CLUB WAS A TERRORIST. IT WASN'T LIKE I SAID, AN OLD GOAT LIKE ME. OUT THERE IN NEVADA, THAT WAS MENTAL ILLNESS. THE WHOLE THING COMES TOGETHER TO MENTAL ILLNESS. WORK ON MENTAL ILLNESS. DON'T COME AFTER ME. THANK YOU. >> CHAIRMAN CELLA: THANK YOU, MR. RIDDLING. MR. ELROD, IF YOU WOULD. FOLLOWED BY TOM WELLS. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: 3936 JENNIFER LANE IN GREEN COVE SPRINGS. I SPENT 26 YEARS 7 MONTHS AND 19 DAYS WEARING A MILITARY UNIFORM AFTER WHICH I TOOK AN OATH TO PROTECT AND DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES. THERE'S A COUPLE THINGS I WANT TO THROW OUT HERE THAT I DON'T THINK HAVE BEEN MENTIONED YET. AS I SEE IT, OUR RIGHTS IN THIS COUNTRY ARE UNDER ATTACK LIKE THEY NEVER BEEN UNDER ATTACK BEFORE. I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT JUST GUN RIGHTS. I'M TALKING ABOUT THE WHOLE GAMUT. ABOUT ALL OF OUR RIGHTS THAT ARE PROTECTED UNDER THE BILL OF RIGHTS. THE FIRST TEN AMENDMENTS OF THE CONSTITUTION. THEY'RE UNDER ATTACK AND I DON'T BELIEVE THOSE ATTACKS ARE GOING TO DIMINISH ANY AT ALL. THOSE ATTACKS ARE GOING TO CONTINUE. THE IMPORTANT PART OF THIS WHOLE DEBATE, I BELIEVE, IS THAT THE SECOND AMENDMENT IS THE ONE THAT SUPPORTS THE OTHER NINE AMENDMENTS. IF THE SECOND AMENDMENT FAILS, YOU CAN BET YOUR OTHER RIGHTS ARE GOING TO GO AWAY JUST AS QUICK AS IT WENT AWAY. THE SECOND AMENDMENT IS THE FIRST AMONG EQUALS. IT IS THE ONE THAT KEEPS THE REST OF THEM PROPPED UP. WITHOUT IT, WITHOUT THE RIGHT TO DEFEND YOUR RIGHTS, YOU HAVE NO RIGHTS. OKAY. SO, YOUR SECOND AMENDMENT RIGHTS, THE ONES THAT KEEP THE OTHERS POSSIBLE. NOW, THE OTHER THING THAT I WANT TO POINT OUT HERE IS, I THINK WE'RE MISSING PART OF THE POINT HERE. THIS RESOLUTION DOES ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO SUPPLANT OR SUPPLEMENT ANYTHING PROVIDED FOR IN THE CONSTITUTION. NOR DOES IT ALTER, AMEND, OR ABOLISH ANY STATUTE THAT IS CURRENTLY IN EXISTENCE. WHAT IT DOES DO IS IT SENDS A STRONG MESSAGE, IN MY OPINION, TO THOSE PEOPLE WHO CONTINUE TO ATTACK OUR RIGHTS FROM EVERY ANGLE, NOT JUST GUN RIGHTS AS I MENTIONED, BUT ALL OF OUR RIGHTS. FROM THOSE PEOPLE AND ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE ATTACKING OUR RIGHTS, IT SENDS THEM A STRONG MESSAGE THAT WE'RE WILLING TO FIGHT FOR WHAT WE BELIEVE IN. WE'RE WILLING TO TAKE A STAND TO PROTECT OUR RIGHTS. I THINK THAT'S WHAT THIS RESOLUTION DOES. IT DOESN'T CHANGE THE LAW. IT DOESN'T CHANGE WHAT THE CONSTITUTION PROVIDES FOR. IT DOESN'T CHANGE ANYTHING EXCEPT THE WAY PEOPLE SEE CLAY COUNTY AND OUR INTEREST IN PROTECTING THAT WHICH IS IMPORTANT TO US WHICH IS OUR RIGHTS. ALL THOSE RIGHTS THAT ARE GUARANTEED BY THE CONSTITUTION. NOT JUST GUN RIGHTS. THE GUN DEBATE GOES WAY BEYOND GUN DEBATE. THE GUN DEBATE IS NOT ABOUT GUNS. IT'S ABOUT POWER AND DESTRUCTION OF YOUR RIGHTS. AND IF THE COUNTY COMMISSION WANTS TO TAKE A STAND TO SAY, WE SUPPORT THE RIGHTS OF PEOPLE IN CLAY COUNTY. NOW I THINK -- >> CHAIRMAN CELLA: I'LL GIVE YOU A FEW SECONDS HERE TO GET WRAPPED UP. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: ALREADY? HOW DID THAT HAPPEN SO QUICK? I WAS JUST GETTING STARTED. >> CHAIRMAN CELLA: THAT'S WHY WE PUT THE RED LIGHT ON [LAUGHTER] >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: CAN I FILL OUT ANOTHER CARD. >> CHAIRMAN CELLA: MR. WELLS, COME ON UP AND FOLLOWED BY MR. MURROW. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: TOM WELLS. I LIVE IN GAINESVILLE, FLORIDA. 502 NORTHEAST 6TH AVENUE. YOU MIGHT THINK IT'S STRANGE I'M UP HERE BUT I'M RUNNING FOR U.S. CONGRESS AND I'VE BEEN TO ALL THE CITY AND COUNTY BOARD [01:35:03] COMMISSION MEETINGS BECAUSE I WANT TO UNDERSTAND THE PEOPLE I AM SEEKING TO REPRESENT. THERE HAVE BEEN A COUPLE OF -- WELL, I THINK COMMISSIONER CELLA REFERRED TO REWRITING THE RESOLUTION. AND I HAVEN'T SEEN THAT. I AM NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE PRINTZ SUPREME COURT. I WILL OBSERVE BY YOUR COMMENTS THAT THE BRADY BILL WAS ONLY AS ASSESSED AND FOUND DELINQUENT IN RESPECT TO BACKGROUND CHECKS WHERE IT DID A NUMBER OF OTHER THINGS WHICH A LOT OF PEOPLE SEEM TO THINK ARE AT ODDS WITH THE SECOND AMENDMENT. BUT THE CONSTITUTION AS A WHOLE IS SEPARATE FROM THE 16 OR SO WORDS OF THE SECOND AMENDMENT. AND THE CHIEF RELEVANT POINT IS THAT THE CONSTITUTION GIVES THE SUPREME COURT THE RIGHT TO DETERMINE WHAT THE SECOND AMENDMENT IS. WHICH SEEMS TO BE BEING REINTERPRETED BY EVERYBODY TO MEAN SOMETHING, WHATEVER THEY WANT IT TO MEAN. THE SUPREME COURT HAD NO PROBLEM WITH THE ASSAULT WEAPONS BAN. IT HAD NO PROBLEM WITH MARYLAND'S LAW WHICH HAS AN ASSAULT WEAPONS BAN AND HAVE SERIOUS LIMITATIONS ON HANDGUN POSSESSION. IT REQUIRES A YEARLY RENEWAL OF THE RIGHT TO CARRY A HANDGUN OPEN OR CONCEALED OUTSIDE OF YOUR HOUSE. BECAUSE HANDGUNS ARE FOR KILLING PEOPLE AND FOR DEFENDING YOUR HOUSE. YOU DON'T NEED TO HAVE THEM WHEN YOU GO TO THE BAR. IN THE WILD, WILD WEST, EVEN AFTER STATES GAINED STATEHOOD AND ENTERED THE CONSTITUTION OFFICIALLY, THE FIRST ORDER IN MOST CITIES WAS YOU TURNED IN YOUR GUNS AND YOUR KNIFES WHEN YOU CAME INTO THE CITY SO THAT BAR FIGHTS ENDED WITH PEOPLE SHAKING HANDS AND HAVING A BEER RATHER THAN GOING HOME AND BUYING A CASKET FOR THE FALLEN HERO THAT THEY TOOK DOWN. SO THE OTHER TERM THAT'S COMING UP HERE A LOT IS SANCTUARY. AND CONFLATING THIS RESOLUTION OF GUN SANCTUARY IS INTENDED TO RECALL AND REFER TO SANCTUARY CITIES. NOW SANCTUARY CITIES, YOU DON'T HAVE TO AGREE WITH THOSE, BUT I WILL MAKE THE OBSERVATION THAT SANCTUARY CITIES WERE SIMPLY AN AGREEMENT THAT THE LOCAL POLICE WOULD NOT VIOLATE THE LAW AT THE REQUEST OF I.C.E. OR CBD TO KEEP PEOPLE IN CUSTODY FOR LONGER THAN THEY WERE DUE TO BE IN CUSTODY TO ALLOW I.C.E. OFFICIALS TO COME AND TAKE THEM TO DEPORTATION HEARINGS. SO IT DID NOT ASK ANYBODY TO NOT ENFORCE THE LAW. BUT ITS INTENT WAS PURELY COSMETIC. IT INFLUENCED HOW PEOPLE LOOKED AT THE CITY. NOW THIS, WHEN YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT -- >> CHAIRMAN CELLA: MR. WELLS, YOUR TIME IS UP. IF YOU WANT TO TAKE A FEW SECONDS TO WRAP UP >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RED FLAG LAWS AND NOT ENFORCING THOSE, THERE'S A CERTAIN LIABILITY. I'D LIKE A LAWYER TO SPEAK TO LEGAL LIABILITY BUT THERE'S A MORAL LIABILITY. WHEN SOMEONE IS KILLED BY SOMEONE WHO SHOULD HAVE HAD THEIR GUN TAKEN AWAY, I DON'T THINK I'D WANT TO BE IN YOUR SHOES IF YOU HAVE SUPPORTED THIS BILL. THANK YOU. >> CHAIRMAN CELLA: MR. MURROW? >> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: NO VERSION OF EITHER RESOLUTION SAYS ANYTHING ABOUT RED FLAG LAWS. THE NEWS ASKED ME SPECIFICALLY ABOUT IT AND I SAID PERSONALLY I DON'T AGREE WITH RED FLAG LAWS BECAUSE OF DUE PROCESS. THERE'S NOTHING ABOUT THAT IN THE RESOLUTION. I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THAT. >> CHAIRMAN CELLA: MS. BATES YOU WILL BE ON DECK HERE. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: KEN MORROW. 2285 [INAUDIBLE] FLORIDA. I UNDERSTAND THE RESOLUTION AND SUPPORT THE SECOND AMENDMENT BUT I'M CONCERNED THAT THE RESOLUTION COULD CAUSE CLAY COUNTY SOME PROBLEMS BEYOND THE ISSUES WE'RE DRESSING OF THE SECOND AMENDMENT. I'D LIKE TO RECOGNIZE SOME OF THE PEOPLE THAT I'VE ACTUALLY ARGUED AGAINST IN JACKSONVILLE. THEY JUST MADE THEIR PRESENCE HERE THE FIRST TIME. WHAT THEY'RE TRYING DO IN JACKSONVILLE IS GET THE CITY OFJACK TO ESTABLISH LOCAL GUN ORDINANCES THAT WOULD BE BASICALLY AGAINST THE FLORIDA STATE FIREARMS LAW. THEY'VE ASKED THE CITY COUNCIL TO SET UP SEPARATE ORDINANCES IN THE CITY OF JACKSONVILLE WHICH IS AGAINST THE LAW. PART OF THE PROBLEM IS I SEE FOR CLAY COUNTY WOULD BE THE FACT IF WE DO SOMETHING THAT IS AGAINST OUR STATE FIREARM PREEMPTION LAW IT COULD OPEN US TO ADDITIONAL PENALTIES AND FINES AND POSSIBLY SOME OF THE COMMISSIONERS BEING REMOVED FROM OFFICE WHICH IS PART OF THE PENALTY PROCESS IN THE SANCTUARY POLICY BILL THAT I FOUGHT FOR AS PRESIDENT OF FLORIDIANS FOR IMMIGRATION ENFORCEMENT. AT THAT POINT AND TIME, THERE ARE PENALTIES THAT HAVE TO BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION. AND [01:40:02] BASICALLY BEYOND THAT WE HAVE TO TAKE A LOOK AT OTHER WAYS TO PRESERVE OUR SECOND AMENDMENT. THE BEST WAY TO PRESERVE THE CONSTITUTION AND THE SECOND AMENDMENT IS TO NUMBER ONE DEFEAT THE BAN ON ASSAULT WEAPONS OR THE BAWM. THAT'S BEING SENT OUT RIGHT NOW THAT REQUIRES 766,200 SIGNATURES BE NOW AND FEBRUARY 1ST. THEIR ACTION IS TO MAKE SURE PEOPLE LIKE MOMS AGAINST ACTION STAND FOR WHAT WE BELIEVE IN AND NOT FORCE THEIR OPINION ON OTHER PEOPLE. THEY'RE FUNDED BY BLOOMBERG EVEN THOUGH THEY DENY THAT. AND BLOOMBERG BASICALLY SPENDS $2.1 MILLION A YEAR FOR PERSONAL PROTECTION BY HIRING EX-POLICE OFFICERS FROM THE CITY OF NEW YORK. AGAIN, THE BEST WAY TO MAKE SURE THIS RESOLUTION OR WHATEVER WE END UP AS A RESULT PASSES IS TO BASICALLY SUPPORT THE ELECTION COMING UP AND MAKE SURE WE ELECT PEOPLE WHO SUPPORT OUR SECOND AMENDMENT AT BOTH THE STATE AND FEDERAL LEVELS. THANK YOU. >> CHAIRMAN CELLA: THANK YOU, KEN. MS. BATES? AND FOLLOWED BY TERESA ARELANO. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: SHELLY BATES. 419 SOUTH PALMETTO AVENUE. I'D LIKE TO STATE THAT I AM A NAVY VETERAN. MY FAMILY ALL SERVED IN THE MILITARY BACK TO THE CIVIL WAR. SO WE SUPPORT THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES AND THE SECOND AMENDMENT. FROM THE COMMENTS I'VE HEARD TONIGHT I THINK COMMISSIONER ROLLINS IS RIGHT. THERE'S SOME CONFUSION ABOUT THIS. AND I THINK THE CONFUSION IS CALLING IT A SANCTUARY COUNTY. WE DON'T NEED TO MAKE ANY KIND OF A STATEMENT SAYING THAT WE'RE A GUN SANCTUARY. IT IMPLIES THAT THERE'S AN ACTUAL DANGER TO THE SECOND AMENDMENT. CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENTS CANNOT BE CHANGED ON THE WHIM OF THE EXECUTIVE OFFICE OR ANY OTHER ONE PERSON. SO, BY IMPLYING THAT THEY COULD HAPPEN AND THAT WE NEED A SANCTUARY, WE'RE JUST CREATING MORE FEAR AND MORE DIVISION. WE ALREADY HAVE ALL THE LAWS THAT SUPPORT THE SECOND AMENDMENT IN PLACE AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL. WE ALSO HAVE BACKGROUND CHECKS. AND I DON'T THINK THAT ANYONE HAS SAID THAT'S A PROBLEM. EVEN THE NRA SUPPORTS BACKGROUND CHECKS. SO, BY BRINGING THIS UP WE'RE JUST SAYING THAT WE WANT TO BE AGAINST THE CONSTITUTION. THANK YOU. >> CHAIRMAN CELLA: THANK YOU, MA'AM. THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE AS WELL. >> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: I NEVER ONCE SAID ANYWHERE IN MY OPENING REMARKS -- I WISH PEOPLE WOULD ACTUALLY LISTEN INSTEAD OF COMING WITH PREDON STATEMENTS. I TOOK AN OATH TO DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION. I BELIEVE IN THE SUPREMACY OF FEDERAL LAW. BUT READ PRINTZ VERSUS THE UNITED STATES. IT SAYS THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT CANNOT COMPEL LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT TO ENFORCE FEDERAL LAW WHETHER IT'S COUNTER FIT CURRENCY OR ANY OTHER LAW. THAT'S WHY IT WAS SAMED SANCTUARY CITY. WHAT IMMIGRATION ADVOCATES OR PEOPLE IN FAVOR OF ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION SAID WAS WE'RE GOING TO USE THAT PRINCIPAL TO SAY ICE WE'RE NOT GOING TO COOPERATE. IT WAS LEGAL WHEN IT CAME TO FEDERAL AND STATE DIVIDE. AND THAT'S WHAT THIS IDEA AND CONCEPT IS TO DO THAT. IT'S NOT TO DEFY STATE LAW. IT'S NOT TO DEFY FEDERAL LAW. IT'S SIMPLY TO SAY IF THERE IS A FEDERAL LAW THAT COMES TO CONFISCATE YOUR GUNS WE AT THE LOCAL LEVEL ARE SAYING WE DON'T WANT TO PARTICIPATE. PRINTZ VERSUS THE UNITED STATES IS VERY CLEAR WE HAVE THE ABILITY, THE CONSTITUTIONAL ABILITY TO DO THAT. TO OPT OUT OF PARTICIPATING IN FEDERAL ENFORCEMENT OF A GUN CONFISCATION LAW. SO I AM NOT SURE WHERE THE RULE OF LAW IS BEING THROWN OUT OR DEFYING THE CONSTITUTION OR ANY OF THAT IS COMING FROM. WE'RE SIMPLY SAYING, YOU CAN CHOOSE TO PARTICIPATE. SO, IF A GUN CONFISCATION LAW WAS PASSED IN A LIBERAL CITY SAID WE WANT TO PARTICIPATE IN THAT PROGRAM, THEY COULD GET LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT TO BE PART OF IT. THEY COULD COMPEL LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT TO BE PART OF IT. BUT D.C., THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT CANNOT COMPEL LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT TO PARTICIPATE. THAT'S WHAT'S AT DISCUSSION HERE. JUST WANT TO CLARIFY. AND IN NO WAY SUGGESTING THAT WE VIOLATE FEDERAL LAW OR DEFY FEDERAL LAW OR I'M NOT AN ANARCHIST. I FOLLOW ORDERS WHEN I AM IN UNIFORM. AND I TOOK AN OATH TO DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION. NONE OF THAT IS AT ODDS HERE TONIGHT. SO, JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THAT. I WOULD LOVE FOR PEOPLE TO ACTUALLY READ THE RESOLUTION BEFORE THEY CRITICIZE IT. THAT WOULD BE GREAT. >> CHAIRMAN CELLA: TERESA -- ARE YOU COMING UP TO TALK? >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: WILL I WAS JUST WONDERING IF I COULD ASK A QUESTION ABOUT SOMETHING TO CLARIFY WHAT HE JUST SAID. >> CHAIRMAN CELLA: WHY DON'T WE GET TO IT WHEN YOU ARE -- I DON'T WANT TO TAKE OTHER FOLK'S TIME. WE'VE GOT QUITE A FEW PEOPLE TO GET THROUGH. TERESA [01:45:01] IF YOU COULD COME UP. ARELLANO. MR. BRODER? YOU WILL BE NEXT. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: GOOD EVENING. THANK YOU FOR GIVING ME THE BIT OF TIME. THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE. I DIDN'T COME WITH THIS PREPARED. I DIDN'T KNOW I WAS GOING TO SPEAK BUT I FELT I WANTED TO. SO, THANK YOU FOR GIVING ME THIS OPPORTUNITY. I AM A CLAY COUNTY RESIDENT OF HALF A CENTURY. I'M A MOM AND TEACHER HERE IN CLAY COUNTY. MY MOTHER WHO IS RETIRED TEACHER OF CLOSE TO 30 YEARS IN CLAY COUNTY AND UP IN ILLINOIS MANY YEARS BEFORE THAT. MY LITTLE BROTHER IS AN ACTIVE DUTY GREEN BERET. 30 YEARS IN SF. ALTHOUGH HE AND I MAY NOT SHARE MANY OF THE SAME POLITICAL VIEWS HE HAS AGREED WITH ME, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT WEAPONS OF WAR DON'T BELONG IN HANDS OF THE GENERAL POP LIST. THERE ARE THINGS WE AGREE ON. CONTRARY TO MR. ROLLINS WORDS WE ARE NOT IN A FIGHT TO CONFISCATE GUNS. EVERYBODY WHO HAS SPOKEN IN OPPOSITION TONIGHT HAS PROVIDED YOU A LOT OF INFORMATION AND MULTIPLE REASONS NOT TO ADOPT THIS RESOLUTION. IT'S NOT NECESSARY. IT'S DIVISIVE AND NOT IN THE BEST INTEREST OF OUR SAFETY. GUN SAFETY IS A NON-PARTISAN ISSUE. I'LL ADD THAT I HAVE A HEATHS OF 26 YEARS WHO IS IN THE SAME POLITICAL PARTY AS MOST OF YOU AND HE AGREES THIS PROPOSAL IS RIDICULOUS AND SETS A DANGEROUS PRECEDENT. WE DON'T NEED THIS. I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH PEOPLE OWNING GUNS. AS I SAID, MY LITTLE BROTHER IS A GREEN BERET OF 30 YEARS. BUT THERE ARE PEOPLE -- BY THE WAY, RED FLAG LAWS ARE DOING SOMETHING TO ADDRESS THE GENTLEMAN WHO WAS UP HERE TALKING ABOUT MENTAL HEALTH. WE DO NEED HELP WITH MENTAL HEALTH. I HAVE PERSONAL FAMILY ISSUES WITH THAT. RED FLAG LAWS VERY IMPORTANT. THIS ISN'T IN THE LANGUAGE BUT YOU PERSONALLY OPPOSE THEM SO I FELT THE NEED TO ADDRESS THAT. THIS IS NOT A THING THAT I FEEL SHOULD BE ANTI-OR PRO GUN. IT'S PRO SAFETY. THANK YOU. I ASK YOU TO SAY NO TO THIS PROPOSAL. THANK YOU. >> CHAIRMAN CELLA: THANK YOU, MA'AM. MR. BRODER, COME ON UP. MR. AUTO, YOU ARE ON DECK. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: THANK YOU. MY NAME ISSESTE BRODER, SR. 1795 BARTLETT AVENUE IN ORANGE PARK. I'VE BEEN LISTENING TO THIS. I TOOK A FEW NOTES. I DIDN'T COME WITH A PREPARED STATEMENT EITHER. I'LL MAKE THIS VERY QUICK. NUMBER ONE. I AGREE ENTIRELY WITH COMMISSIONER ROLLINS. PERIOD. NEXT ITEM. THIS SANCTUARY CITY -- TEEN YEARS AGO WE NEVER HEARD THE WORDS "SANCTUARY CITY." THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WAS BROUGHT UP IN OTHER STATES AND COUNTIES AND CITIES DECLARING THEMSELVES SANCTUARY CITIES FOR THIS REASON AND THAT REASON. IT'S MOSTLY SYMBOLIC. NOW, IF IT CAN BE SYMBOLIC FOR ONE REASON, THIS IS THE OTHER REASON. THIS IS THE REVERSE. WHY CAN'T WE BE PRO SOMETHING AS A SANCTUARY AS OPPOSED TO ANTI-SOMETHING. AND LIKE THE OTHER PEOPLE HAVE SAID, I'M NOT AGAINST ANYTHING OF THIS NATURE. BUT PUBLIC COMMENTS HAVE BEEN MADE ON TELEVISION. WE HEAR IT ALL THE TIME THAT PEOPLE WANT TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THOSE TERRIBLE GUNS. EVERY TIME SOMEBODY XHITZ A CRIME -- COMMITS A CRIME WITH A GUN, THERE'S A BIG SHOUT... LET'S GET RID OF THAT GUN. WHAT ABOUT THE MILLIONS OF PEOPLE WHO LAWFULLY OWN THAT GUN? IF IT'S GOING TO SAVE THE LIFE OF ONE PERSON, WE SHOULD DO IT. SO WE GOT THE ONE. AND WE GOT THE MILLIONS OF LAW ABIDING PEOPLE WHO ARE NOW THREATENED BECAUSE SOMEBODY HAD AN IDEA. I ALSO AGREE WITH BILL ELROD. I DIDN'T KNOW WHO HE WAS. BECAUSE AS YOU CAN TELL FROM MY VOICE AND THE WAY I TALK, I'M NOT LOCAL [LAUGHTER] THE THIRD PART AND THE MOST IMPORTANT THING, THE ONLY THING I WAS REALLY GOING TO SPEAK ABOUT AFTER I CAME IN HERE IS THAT RIGHT AT THE START OF THIS MEETING A MEMBER OF THE COMMISSION WANTED THIS TOPIC NOT TO BE DISCUSSED. NOW WHATEVER SIDE OF THIS TOPIC YOU MAY BE ON, THAT'S FINE. IT BOTHERS ME THAT ANY PUBLIC OFFICIAL WANTS TO HAVE SOMETHING TAKEN OFF OF THE AGENDA WHEN HE KNOWS, AND I [01:50:05] GIVE HIM CREDIT FOR KNOWING, THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE WHO HAVE VARIOUS VIEWS. MY COMPLAINT AND THE MAIN REASON IS NOT THE OTHER TWO SO MUCH. THEY WERE TAKEN CARE OF. BUT THAT I REALLY GET UPSET WHEN PUBLIC OFFICIALS WANT TO PREVENT THE PUBLIC FROM COMING TO AN OFFICIAL PUBLIC MEETING AND HAVING THEIR SAY. >> CHAIRMAN CELLA: THANK YOU. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: THANK YOU, SIR. >> COMMISSIONER HENDRY: JUST IN CASE YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT ME, BROTHER. I SUGGESTED THAT WE TABLE IT. BUT I ALSO SAID THAT I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM EVERYONE HERE TONIGHT. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: I WAS NOT TALKING ABOUT YOU. >> COMMISSIONER HENDRY: OKAY [LAUGHTER] AND, AGAIN, LET ME REITERATE WHY I WANTED IT TABLE. HAS ANYBODY READ THE NEW VERSION OF THIS? THAT'S THE REASON I WAS ASKING FOR IT TO BE TABLED. NO OTHER REASON. >> CHAIRMAN CELLA: FOLLOWING MR. AUTO, LARRY BROWN, YOU WILL BE NEXT. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: SEX TOYS OF CLAY COUNTY FLORIDA. I AGREE TOTALLY WITH THE LAST GENTLEMAN THAT JUST SPOKE ABOUT CITIZENS HAVING THEIR RIGHTS TO SPEAK IN A COUNTY MEETING. I WAS DEPRIVED OF THAT BY TWO OF THE BOARD MEMBERS SITTING UP HERE BY KICKING ME OUT OF A PUBLIC MEETING FOR THE SAME PEOPLE THAT OTHER PEOPLE DO IN THIS ROOM INCLUDING TODAY. SO, I'D LIKE TO -- FOR THE CITIZENS TURNING IN FOR THE FIRST TIME, I WAS IN A SCHOOL SHOOTING IN 1983 IN JUNIOR HIGH. AND IT REALLY DISTURBS ME THAT WE STILL HAVE FOOTBALL IN OUR PUBLIC SCHOOLS THAT'S CREATING THIS MENTAL ILLNESS AND BULLYING. TWO OF THE OTHER ROOMS TARG EHED DURING THE SHOOTING. AND BOTH OF THE PARKLAND SCHOOL ROOMS WERE FOOTBALL COACHES. SO WE REALLY NEED TO LOOK AT THIS. WE ALSO NEED TO LOOK AT OUR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS IN CLAY COUNTY WHERE THEY HAD AN ORDINANCE AT ZERO PERCENT IN FEDERAL COURT FOR OVER 20 PLUS YEARS. THAT IS A SERIOUS, SERIOUS ISSUE. AND I'VE ASKED THIS COUNTY TO GO THROUGH EVERY ORDINANCE ON THE BOOKS. BECAUSE IF YOU GOT ONE AT ZERO PERCENT IN FEDERAL COURT, THEN YOU'VE PROBABLY GOT MORE. AND IT'S VERY HYPOCRITICAL ON WHAT THINGS ARE BEING DONE IN THIS COUNTY. GUNS DO NOT KILL PEOPLE LIKE PIT BULLS KILL PEOPLE. IT'S NOT THE GUN. I STAND UP FOR REMOVING -- YOU KNOW I STAND UP FOR NOT LETTING TEACHERS CARRY GUNS. WE'RE GOING LOSE A LOT OF GOOD TEACHERS IF WE START ALLOWING TEACHERS TO CARRY GUNS IN OUR SCHOOLS. THAT'S NOT THEIR JOB. SO WE NEED TO LOOK AT OUR GUN RIGHTS IN FULL AND FIGURE OUT WHAT'S EXACTLY ACCEPTABLE AND WHAT'S NOT ACCEPTABLE. LIKE KICK OUR CITIZENS OUT OF A PUBLIC MEETING FOR WHAT SOME OTHER PEOPLE DO. THAT'S PREJUDICE. THAT'S HYPOCRITICAL. AND IT'S JUST NOT RIGHT. YOU KNOW, AND TIME CERTAIN, IT'S SOON THEREAFTER. IT'S NOT YOU HAVE TO CUT IT OFF AT 5:00 OR 10 MINUTES. I COME TO A LOT OF THESE MEETINGS WHERE IT'S ALL THESE PEOPLE INCLUDING MYSELF COULD HAVE TALKED BEFORE YOU BROKE THIS UP. THEN OTHER FOLKS AREN'T EVEN GOING TO LOOK AT THESE PUBLIC COMMENTS. THEY SHOULD BE ALL TOGETHER WHEN THEY LOOK AT THIS AGENDA ITEM. NOT BE SPLIT UP. SO, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU ARE GOING PASTE THEM TOGETHER OR WHAT THE DEAL IS, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT'S RIGHT. YOU KNOW, IT SAYS -- >> CHAIRMAN CELLA: YOUR TIME IS UP, MR. AUTO. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: YOU GUYS DO IT ALL THE TIME. ALL THE TIME YOU GUYS SPLIT IT UP. IT'S FAVORITISM. >> CHAIRMAN CELLA: YOUR TIME IS UP. YOU ARE OUT OF ORDER! SIT DOWN. YOU KNOW WHY YOU GET THROWN OUT OF TWO MEETINGS. MR. BROWN, FOLLOWED BY MS. COLLINS. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: NO I DON'T! >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: GOOD EVENING EVERYBODY. LARRY BROWN 1405 [INAUDIBLE] DRIVE IN ORANGE PARK. MR. ROLLINS I THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE. I DO BELIEVE THERE IS CONFUSION WITH YOUR MOTION AND YOUR RESOLUTION. I DO BELIEVE THAT I AGREE THERE ARE ATTACKS ON THE RIGHTS. BUT I DON'T BELIEVE THIS RESOLUTION HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH THAT. HERE'S WHY. THE CONSTITUTION SPECIFICALLY STATES THAT WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS AND DEFEND OURSELVES AND THAT CAN'T [01:55:06] BE TAKEN AWAY FROM US. THE ONLY WAY THAT THAT CAN BE TAKEN AWAY FOM US, IF THERE IS A BILL OR IF THERE IS A LAW PASSED TO TAKE OUR GUNS AWAY, THERE HAS TO BE A RATIFICATION OF THE CONSTITUTION. AND THAT TAKES, AS YOU KNOW, TWO-THIRDS OF THE SENATE AS WELL AS THE HOUSE. AND IT HAS TO BE APPROVED BY THE PRESIDENT. I THINK ALL OF US IN THIS BUILDING KNOW THAT'S NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN. THAT'S NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN. SO, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE NEED SOMETHING AS THIS. IN ALL HONESTY THERE'S A LOT OF BETTER THINGS WE COULD BE DISCUSSING RIGHT NOW AND THIS IS NOT ONE OF THEM. I UNDERSTAND THE PREMISE OF IT. BUT IT'S NOT NECESSARY. NO ONE IS COMING TO TAKE ANYONE'S GUNS AWAY. NOBODY WANTS TO TAKE ANYONE'S GUNS AWAY. WE WANT SENSIBLE GUN LAWS THAT'S GOING TO HELP PROTECT THE PEOPLE NOT SOMETHING THAT'S GOING HELP DIVIDE THE PEOPLE. AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT ME AS A NAVY VETERAN, I CAN'T UNDERSTAND IT. I AM HERE -- I MEAN, I DON'T OWN A GUN PERSONALLY BUT I DON'T -- I MEAN, I DON'T CARE IF ANYONE ELSE OWNS A GUN. IF THAT'S WHAT THEY FEEL THEY NEED TO DO TO PROTECT THEIR FAMILY, SO BE IT. THEY HAVE THE GOD GIVEN RIGHT. BUT SOMETHING AS SIMPLE AS THIS? I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOUR TRUE INTENTIONS ARE FOR THIS, BUT IT'S NOT NEEDED. NO ONE IS GOING TO CHANGE THE CONSTITUTION. NO ONE IS GOING TO AMEND THE SECOND AMENDMENT. NO ONE IS GOING TO SAY THAT YOU CAN'T HAVE A GUN OR ANYTHING OF THAT NATURE. AND WE ALL KNOW IN OUR LIFETIME IT'S NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN. SO, I DON'T BELIEVE PERSONALLY THAT THIS IS NECESSARY FOR THIS COUNTY BECAUSE WE ALL KNOW AT THE END OF THE DAY EVEN IF SOMEONE DOES GOD FORBID SOMEONE DOES SAY WE'RE GOING TAKE YOUR GUNS AWAY, WE ALREADY KNOW WHAT'S GUY -- GOING TO HAPPEN. THAT'S NOT SOMETHING I WANT TO SEE IN MY LIFETIME OR MY KID'S LIFETIME OR GRAND KIDD'S LIFETIME. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> CHAIRMAN CELLA: THANK YOU MR. BROWN. AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE. MS. COLLINS FOLLOWED BY LATASHA HOBBS. IF I COULD GET YOU TO REMOVE YOUR HAT. WE HAVE A NO HAT POLICY. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: I'M SORRY. MY NAME IS WENDY COLLINS. I'M ACTUALLY RESIDE IN JACKSONVILLE. 32208. AND SINCE SOMEONE BROUGHT UP THE SHIRT, I'M HERE AS AN INDIVIDUAL AND AS A CITIZEN AND SO THAT'S WHY I AM HERE. I DO HAVE DIFFERENT FAMILY MEMBERS AND FRIENDS THAT LIVE IN CLAY COUNTY AND I COME IN TO CLAY COUNTY. SO, ANYTHING THAT YOU GUYS WERE TO DO HERE IS GOING TO AFFECT ME ALSO. I JUST WANTED TO COME IN AND BASICALLY JUST SAY TO THE COMMISSION THAT WHEN YOU CALL IT A SECOND AMENDMENT SANCTUARY, IT SENDS OUT THE WRONG INFORMATION, I THINK. BECAUSE A SANCTUARY IS FOR LIVING ORGANISMS. IT'S NOT FOR INANIMATE OBJECTS. SO I AM WONDERING ARE WE HERE TO PROTECT LIVES OR HERE TO PROTECT MATERIAL THINGS? THAT'S THE QUESTION I WOULD KIND OF ASK. BASICALLY, ANYTHING THAT I DO IS, YOU KNOW, FOR THE PROTECTION OF LIFE, LIBERTY AND THE PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS. SO I WOULD SAY THAT THIS IS GOING TO SEND THE WRONG SIGNAL. ESPECIALLY TO CHILDREN. BECAUSE THIS IS -- THE RESOLUTION BASICALLY IS SAYING TO SAY TO CHILDREN THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO FOLLOW THE LAW. AND WHETHER IT IS THE FEDERAL LAW, STATE LAW OR CITY LAW, YOU KNOW, KIDS DON'T FIND THAT DISTINCTION. AND THEY'RE PAYING ATTENTION TO EVERY SINGLE THING THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY DOING AS ADULTS. SO I THINK WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU THINK ABOUT THAT BEFORE YOU GO AHEAD AND PASS THIS. I AM NOWHERE OPPOSED TO ANYONE ACTUALLY OWNING GUNS. I HAVE UMPTEEN MILLION FRIENDS, FAMILY MEMBER THAT HAVE GUNS. WE JUST BASICALLY WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT LAW ABIDING CITIZENS ARE RESPONSIBLE WITH THEIR GUNS AND THEY DON'T GET IN THE HANDS OF PEOPLE THAT MAY BE DANGEROUS WHETHER TO THEMSELVES OR SOMEONE ELSE. I KNOW YOU SAID THIS HAD NOTHING 20 DO WITH THE RED FLAG LAW BUT THE RISK PROTECTION ORDER IS TO THERE HELP WITH THOSE PEOPLE THAT MAY BE HAVING A MENTAL CRISIS. AND IF THEY HAVE A GUN AND IT WOULD BE SOMEONE WHO HAS A FRIEND OR FAMILY MEMBER THEY CAN NOTIFY THE POLICE AND THEY CAN GO TO A JUDGE AND THEY GO AND CONFISCATE THE GUN. IT'S JUST A BAKER ACTION OF A GUN FOR A TEMPORARY STAY. AS LONG AS THAT PERSON GOES INTO THE COURT AND TALKS TO THEM, THEY MAY NOT ACTUALLY EVEN GET THEM TAKEN. BUT IF THEY FEEL, THE JUDGE FEELS THIS PERSON MAY NEED TO GET SOME MENTAL HELP, THEN, YOU KNOW, [02:00:04] THEY'LL MANDATE THAT AND AS LONG AS WITHIN A CERTAIN TIMEFRAME THEY TAKE CARE OF IT AND THEY'RE NOT HELD UP MORE THAN A YEAR UNLESS THEY HAVE TO GO BACK FOR ANOTHER HEARING FEM JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT CLEAR THAT UP. IT WAS IN PLACE BECAUSE OF MARJORY STONEMAN DOUGLAS. BECAUSE THE YOUNG MAN THERE DID HAVE PROBLEMS AND A LOT OF PEOPLE DID KNOW ABOUT IT AND THERE WAS NOTHING SOMEONE COULD DO. SO I AM HOPING YOU WILL OPPOSE. THANK YOU. >> CHAIRMAN CELLA: THANK YOU. MS. HOBBS AND FOLLOWED BY ANGELA HOUSLEY. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: GOOD EVENING. >> CHAIRMAN CELLA: BEFORE YOU GET STARTED. STAFF WAS OUT HANDING YOU THE SECOND VERSION OF THE PROPOSED RESOLUTION. IF YOU DID NOT GET ONE RAISE YOUR HAND AND WE'LL GET MORE COPIES. >> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: AND THEY'RE PRETTY SIMILAR. THE ONE TAKES OUT SOME STUFF BUT THEY'RE FAIRLY SIMILAR. >> COMMISSIONER HENDRY: DO WE HAVE ANYMORE? >> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO READ THE RESOLUTION AND TALK ABOUT WHAT'S IN THE RESOLUTION. BECAUSE NOWHERE DOES IT SAY WE'RE GOING DEFY FEDERAL LAW. OR STATE LAW OR ANY LAW. >> COMMISSIONER HENDRY: AND IF WE HAVE AN EXTRA GIVE MR. COUGHLIN ONE. HE BROUGHT UP AN ISSUE CASE AND POINTS ON THE RE-WRITES. >> CHAIRMAN CELLA: THANK YOU. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: THANK YOU. MY NAME IS LATASHA HOBBS. I CURRENTLY RESIDE IN DUVAL COUNTY BUT I DID RESIDE IN CLAY COUNTY AT 2211 MALL LARD ROAD 32068 FOR QUITE SOME TIME. I STILL DO HAVE FAMILY AND FRIENDS THAT RESIDE HERE. SO, ANYTHING THAT GOES ON IN THIS COUNTY ALSO AFFECTS ME AND MY CHILDREN AND MY GRANDCHILDREN. AND TODAY I AM NOT ONLY STANDING HERE BEFORE YOU TO REPRESENT MYSELF BUT ALSO MY SON WHO IS FOREVER 18 WHO FELL VICTIM TO SENSELESS GUN VIOLENCE IN JACKSONVILLE, FLORIDA. SO I AM SPEAKING AS A MOTHER AND AS A SURVIVOR AND SOMEONE WHO TRULY BELIEVES THAT COMMONSENSE IS GUN SENSE. I'M HAVING A HARD TIME TRYING TO UNDERSTAND HOW AN OBJECT TIES IN TO A SANCTUARY. BECAUSE WHEN I THINK SANCTUARY, I'M THINKING REFUGE, SAFETY. A SAFE PLACE FROM HARM OR HARMFUL INTENT. SO, I'M HAVING A HARD TIME UNDERSTANDING HOW AN OBJECT OR A MACHINE, A TOOL IS TIED IN TO THAT. I ALSO WANT TO LET EVERYONE KNOW THAT I UNDERSTAND THERE IS A NARRATIVE OUT THERE. AND THESE MOMS DEMAND ACTION SHIRTS SEEMS TO MAKE QUITE A BIT OF PEOPLE UNCOMFORTABLE IN HERE. THERE'S A NARRATIVE OUT THERE THAT WAS UNFORTUNATELY PUT OUT BY THE NRA. AND AS I AM SITTING HERE LISTENING, I CAN SEE THAT AND I HEAR THAT SOME PEOPLE HAVE DRANK THE KOOLAID THAT THE NRA HAS POURED. SO I JUST WANT TO LET EVERYONE HERE, EVERY COMMISSIONER HERE KNOW THAT WE ARE NOT AN ANTI-GUN GROUP. HOWEVER, WE ARE PRO-GUN SAFETY. AND THAT'S WHAT I AM ABOUT. MY SON DESERVES TO BE HERE WITH ME. I DON'T DESERVE TO WALK THIS JOURNEY. MY SON WOULD HAVE GRADUATED LAST YEAR. AND EVERY SINGLE DAY I FIGHT TO SERVE HIM JUSTICE THROUGH THE WORK THAT I DO FOR HIM. AND TO SAVE OTHER INNOCENT CHILDREN FROM FALLING VICTIM TO SENSELESS GUN VIOLENCE IN OUR CITY AND SURROUNDING COUNTIES AND IN THIS COUNTRY. YOU HAVE THE POWER AND THE AUTHORITY TO HELP PREVENT A DOMINO EFFECT OF THE SANCTUARY POURING IN TO THE COUNTY WHICH I RESIDE. THIS COULD STOP RIGHT HERE AND RIGHT NOW IF YOU WOULD OPPOSE THIS SANCTUARY. I AM NOT ANTI-GUN. I AM PRO GUN SAFETY. I HAVE BEEN A GUN OWNER. I BROUGHT MY CHILDREN TO A GUN RANGE. THEY KNOW HOW TO FIRE A GUN. MY SISTER IS ALSO A JACKSONVILLE POLICE OFFICER. SHE'S BEEN AN OFFICER FOR 19 YEARS. I AM NOT HERE TO EVER -- I DO NOT WANT THE MESSAGE TO GET OUT THAT I OR THE ORG THAT I SUPPORT WANTS TO DISARM LAW ABIDING CITIZENS. HONESTLY, QUITE FRANKLY, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, ANYONE WHO THINKS THAT, MAYBE THEY -- I QUESTION THEIR COMMONSENSE TO EVEN HAVE A GUN BECAUSE THAT'S JUST FOOLISH. THAT'S JUST RIDICULOUS. I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW ANYONE CAN THINK THAT. BUT WHAT -- >> CHAIRMAN CELLA: COULD YOU JUST WRAP UP. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >> CHAIRMAN CELLA: THANK YOU. MS. HOUSLEY FOLLOWED BY MR. CHRISTIANSEN. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: MY NAME IS ANGELA HOUSLEY. I RESIDE AT [02:05:06] 1815 HICKORY TRACE DRIVE. I JUST WANT TO TAKE A MINUTE TO SAY THANK YOU FOR LETTING US HAVE THIS TIME TO SPEAK IN FRONT OF YOU. A LOT OF WHAT I THOUGHT I WAS PREPARED TO SAY IS STUFF THAT I DON'T KNOW THAT IS EXACTLY APPLICABLE. THE REASON WHY I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S APPLICABLE IS BECAUSE THE RESOLUTION THAT WE WERE ALL THINKING THAT WE WERE GOING TO DISCUSS HAS A LOT OF CONFUSING PARTS ABOUT IT THAT WE JUST NOW WERE JUST PASSED AROUND IN THIS ROOM TO READ A RESOLUTION THAT WE CAN'T EXACTLY ABSORB. AS COMMISSIONER BOLLA HAD MENTIONED, IT WAS JUST PUT IN FRONT OF YOU. WE DIDN'T HAVE IT EITHER. I DON'T KNOW THAT IT COMPLETELY CHANGES EVERYTHING THAT WE'RE GOING TO SAY, BUT IT IS SOMETHING THAT TO HAVE THAT INFORMATION JUST NOW PUT IN FRONT OF US MIGHT BE CHANGE SOMETHING OF THE LANGUAGE IN THE RHETORIC THAT WE CHOOSE TO USE TOWARDS EACH OTHER. WITH THAT SAID, I HAVE TO KIND OF RESORT BACK TO WHAT I THOUGHT I WAS GOI GOING TO STAY WHEN I WALKED INTO THIS ROOM. LISTENING TO ALL THE PEOPLE TALK IN THIS ROOM, PEOPLE WHO ARE ABSOLUTELY DON'T TAKE MY GUNS AWAY, ARE SAYING THE SAME THING THAT THESE PEOPLE ARE SAYING PLEASE KEEP THE PEOPLE SAFE. I THINK EVERYBODY HAS A SENSE OF AGREEING ABOUT A LOT OF THINGS. NOBODY IS TRYING TO TAKE A GUN AWAY. IF THIS IS TRULY ABOUT WE FOLLOW THE CONSTITUTION OF THE FEDERAL AND THE STATE LAWS, WHERE DOES IT SAY WE'VE GOT THE FEDERAL LAW COMING TO TAKE AWAY OUR GUNS? IT DOESN'T SAY THAT. AS PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN BOTH OPPOSED TO THIS RESOLUTION AND THOSE SUPPORTING IT ARE SEEMING TO SAY SUPPORT OF IT, WE DON'T HAVE THAT ANSWERED. WHERE ARE WE AT THREAT? WHERE ARE WE AT RISK? THE QUESTION REMAINS TO BE ASKED, WHEN YOU DO IMPLEMENT THIS AND DO MAKE THIS A SANCTUARY CITY, WHO IS AT RISK? YOU KNOW, WE ARE HAVING CONFUSION IN THIS ROOM BECAUSE THERE ARE THINGS THAT PEOPLE WHO ARE MAYBE TAKING THE OPPOSITION SAY THAT I AGREE WITH. AND THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT ARE PROBABLY ON PLEASE DON'T SUPPORT THIS, THAT I ALSO -- THEY ALSO PROBABLY AGREE WITH US TOO. IF WE MAKE THIS A SANCTUARY COUNTY, WHAT DOES THAT SAY TO PEOPLE WHO COME TO VISIT US? WHAT DOES IT SAY ABOUT US AS PEOPLE? THAT WE'RE STANDING UP AND SAYING WE'RE A SANCTUARY COUNTY. THEY HAVE TO THEN INTERPRET SOMETHING THAT COMMISSIONER ROLLINS HAS PUT OUT. THAT WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT LANGUAGE IS AND WE'RE NOT REALLY UNDERSTANDING WHAT THAT MEANS AS FAR AS IT GOES STATING THAT WE'RE JUST GOING TO NOT FOLLOW A FEDERAL LAW SHOULD THAT FEDERAL LAW BE PASSED AND THAT WE'RE JUST GOING TO NOT TURN OVER THE GUNS. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT REALLY MEANS. AT THE END OF THE DAY, I THINK EVERY SINGLE PERSON IN THIS ROOM IS ABOUT SAVING LIVES. THE GENTLEMAN WHO HAD THE FRIEND WHO HAD THE MENTAL HEALTH DISORDER THAT WAS KILLED, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE HAPPEN. WE'RE IN COMPLETE UNISON AND AGREEMENT ABOUT THAT. IT'S HOW WE GO ABOUT IT. SO I WOULD LIKE TO THANK YOU FOR THE TIME OF LETTING ME SPEAK AND I STRONGLY OY POSE THAT WE DON'T PUT THIS IN PLACE BECAUSE IT IS NOT THE RIGHT MESSAGE THAT WE WANT TO SEE ABOUT WHO WE ARE AS CLAY COUNTY. ALL OF US REPRESENTED TOGETHER. THANK YOU. >> CHAIRMAN CELLA: THANK YOU, MA'AM. TRAVIS CHRISTIANSEN AND THEN REBECCA TAYLOR ON DECK. I BELIEVE EVERYBODY GOT A COPY OF THE REVISED PROPOSAL. >> COMMISSIONER HENDRY: RAISE YOUR HAND IF YOU DON'T. >> CHAIRMAN CELLA: GO AHEAD, TRAV IT IS. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: THANK YOU, MIKE. TRAVIS CHRISTIANSEN 2871. SPEAKING AS A LONG TIME RESIDENT OF CLAY COUNTY AND LONG TIME MEMBER OF PUBLIC AND LIB CAUCUS OF FLORIDA WHERE WE'RE AGAINST THE GOVERNMENT STEALING OUR GUNS. HEARD A LOT OF INFORMATION TONIGHT FROM THE PUBLIC. WANT TO QUOTE A FORMER SPEAKER OF THE FLOOR OF THE HOUSE THAT SAID THAT LEGISLATION IS EASY AS LONG AS YOU KNOW WHAT YOU BELIEVE. TO WHICH I SAY THROUGH THE CHAIR, COMMISSIONER ROLLINS HAS GOT IT RIGHT. HE KNOWS WHAT HE BELIEVES. I DO HAVE ISSUES WITH THE WORDING OF THIS RESOLUTION BUT THE SENTIMENT IS EXACTLY RIGHT. AND COUNTY COMMISSIONS DO A LOT OF DUTIES IN A COUNTY BUT ONE OF THEM, ONE PRIME DUTY OF EVERY GOVERNMENT BODY TOSS SECURE THE RIGHTS OF ITS CITIZENS. THIS IS CERTAINLY WITHIN YOUR PURVIEW. I'D LIKE TO SEE WHATEVER RESOLUTION THAT HAS PASSED BE STRENGTHENED IN THE FUTURE BUT THAT'S LEGALLY COMPLES. PASS THIS BECAUSE IT SENDS A MESSAGE YOU WHO ARE ELECTED TO BE REPRESENTING THE PEOPLE -- ELECTED TO REPRESENT THE PEOPLE HAVE AN OPINION AND A RESOLUTION ABOUT THE WAY THINGS SHOULD BE. THERE'S A POWERFUL PUBLIC MESSAGE THAT CAN BE BUILT UPON IN THE FUTURE. PERHAPS AS LITTLE BIT MORE STRINGENT RESOLUTIONS AND LAWS. I'VE GOT A MINUTE-AND-A-HALF LEFT. OF COURSE, THERE'S A THREAT TO SECOND AMENDMENT RIGHTS. MY GOD. EVEN WITHIN THESE COURT CASES QUOTED IN THE RESOLUTION, [02:10:08] EVEN WITHIN THEM, WHICH ARE CONSIDERED CONSTITUTIONAL, THERE'S ALL SORTS OF COMPLETELY LEGAL WAYS THAT THE GOVERNMENT TAKES YOUR GUNS. THE MOST RECENT ROUND OF SECOND AMENDMENT SANCTUARY COUNTIES IS IN VIRGINIA. BECAUSE RECENT STATE ELECTIONS, WHICH I AM TOLD HIGHLY FINANCED BY SOME BILLIONAIRE FROM NEW YORK THAT'S POURING MONEY INTO LOCAL ELECTIONS TO DIVIDE THE DEMOCRACY TO OVERTHROW THE CONSTITUTION AND TAKE AWAY YOUR RIGHTS, WHICH IS NOT AN EXAGGERATION. THAT IS WHAT HAPPENED. THAT COUNTY IS IN VIRGINIA SAYING OH MY GOD ABOUT THE STATE IS ABOUT TO PASS SOME LAW AND THE LAW THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT PASSING ALREADY FILED IN THE VIRGINIA HOUSE, THAT IS A STRINGENT GUN GRAB LAW. BE FIRM IN WHAT YOU BELIEVE. YOU SHOULD PASS SOMETHING. IF YOU PASS SOMETHING TONIGHT AND DEFINITELY IN SUPPORT OF THIS. AND IN THE FUTURE REVISIT IT AND LEGAL DIFFICULTIES WITH MAKING SOMETHING THAT'S REALLY MEATY REUSS RESOLUTION, ORDINANCE OR CHARTER AMENDMENT. BUT LET'S MOVE FORWARD. GREAT JOB, COMMISSIONER. MOVE FORWARD AND WE'LL REVISIT IT IN THE FUTURE AND TRY TO MAKE IT BETTER. THANK YOU. >> CHAIRMAN CELLA: THANK YOU, SIR. REBECCA TAYLOR AND THEN FOLLOWED BY REBECCA JAMES-WILLARD. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: HELLO. THANK YOU FOR HAVING US TONIGHT. MY NAME IS REBECCA TAYLOR. I LIVE ON AUGUSTA DRIVE IN FLEMING ISLAND. SORRY FOR INTERRUPTING EARLIER. I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY WHAT COMMISSIONER ROLLINS HAD SAID AT THAT VERY MOMENT BEFORE WE GOT OFF TO SOMETHING ELSE. YOU SAID THAT THERE WAS LEGAL PRECEDENCE ALREADY TO COVER THIS. >> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: IT GIVES THE OPTION TO LOCAL MUNICIPALITIES. IN THE PRINTZ CASE IT WAS A LOCAL SHERIFF WHO SAID I DO NOT WANT TO OPERATE THE BRADY BILL BACKGROUND CHECKS. THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT SAID YOU HAVE TO. AND THEY WENT TO COURT. AND THE SUPREME COURT, SCALIA WROTE THE MAJORITY OPINION, SAID THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT CANNOT FORCE LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT TO PARTICIPATE IN A FEDERAL LAW ENFORCEMENT ACTIVITY. SO THEY SAID, THE SHERIFF IS RIGHT, HE DOES NOT HAVE TO ENFORCE IT. IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT YOU ARE DEFYING FEDERAL LAW AND SAYING WE'RE BREAKING FEDERAL LAW. IT MEANS LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT RESOURCES WOULDN'T GO TOWARDS GUN CONFISCATION. IF THAT WERE IN THE FUTURE TO HAPPEN. AND BETO O'ROURKE AND OTHERS HAVE CLEARLY SAID WE'RE COMING FOR YOUR AR-15S. THAT MOM WHO PROTECTED HERSELF IN TAMPA AGAINST A HOME INVADER, HER AND HER FAMILY WITH AN AR-15, IF O'ROURKE BECAME PRESIDENT AND WAS ABLE TO GET A LAW PASSED AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL, HERE IN CLAY COUNTY WE WOULD NOT PARTICIPATE IN THAT BECAUSE PRINTZ GIVES US THE ABILITY TO OPT OUT OF PARTICIPATION IN THAT. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: I HOPE I GET CREDIT FOR HIS TIME. >> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: YOU ASKED ME A QUESTION. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: IF YOU ALREADY HAVE A LEGAL PRECEDENCE I'M NOT QUITE SURE WHY WE NEED A SANCTUARY COUNTY THAT IT IS JUST A SHOW OF FORCE, SORT OF. >> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: YOU CAN CHOOSE TO PARTICIPATE. SO, SANDRA DAY O'CONNOR SAID LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT CAN PARTICIPATE. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: SO AT THAT TIME CAN WE NOT CHOOSE NOT TO PARTICIPATE? >> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: WE COULD IN THE FUTURE. THIS IS PROACTIVE SO IF THERE WAS A FUTURE LAW THAT WAS PASSED WE'RE ALREADY ON RECORD SAYING WHERE WE'RE AT. I'D LIKE TO SEE IT PUSHED UP TO THE STATE LEVEL. BUT IT'S SAYING IF THERE'S A FUTURE LAW THAT SAYS WE'RE GOING CONFISCATE GUNS WE'RE NOT PARTICIPATING IN IT. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: SIR, I AM A RETIRED MILITARY VETERAN. >> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: SO IS MY HUSBAND. WE HAVE 45 YEARS OF SERVICE IN OUR HOUSE. I HAVE SPENT A LOT OF TIME CARRYING THESE GUNS. ALL GUNS. OVERSEAS IN EVERY WAR ZONE OVER THE LAST 30 YEARS. >> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: YES, MA'AM. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: SO, YOU KNOW, I'M KIND OF OFF DUTY NOW. AND I'M A LITTLE EMOTIONAL ABOUT THIS. SANCTUARY IMPLIES THAT SOME SORT OF SAFETY. BUT I DON'T THINK SO, IN THIS CASE. I THINK IT'S SPINNING UP A LOT OF NEGATIVE IDEAS THAT PEOPLE ARE COMING FOR YOUR GUNS. THAT'S NEVER HAPPENED. PEOPLE HAVE SAID IT SINCE I WAS A CHILD. IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. WE HAVE A CONSTITUTION THAT WE'VE ALL SWORN TO UPHOLD AND PROTECT. AND WILL DO TO THIS DAY. I HAVE A HOUSE FULL OF GUNS THAT ARE UNDER LOCK AND KEY AT ALL TIMES. BUT I CANNOT TRUST -- AT THIS POINT WITH THIS SANCTUARY THAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT, I DON'T FEEL LIKE I CAN TRUST YOU ALL TO MAKE THE DECISION THAT IF I AM [02:15:09] SEEING A MAN IS CRAZY DOWN THE ROAD WITH GUNS, YOU KNOW, I WANT THERE TO BE LAWS TO PROTECT MY HOUSEHOLD AND THAT I DON'T HAVE TO DO THAT. BUT I'VE BEEN TRYING TO TALK MY SON WHICH IS A SINGLE PARENT INTO MOVING FROM A NEIGHBORING COUNTY INTO THIS COUNTY BECAUSE OF THE SCHOOLS. BUT I CAN TELL YOU AS SOON AS I HEARD YOU THE OTHER NIGHT, I CALLED AND SAID, DO NOT MOVE MY GRANDCHILD TO THIS COUNTY. HIS SAFETY IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE SCHOOL. >> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: BECAUSE OF US OPPOSING A FUTURE GUN CONFI CONFISCATION? >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: BECAUSE SANCTUARY SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, THAT IT'S GOING TO BE SAFE. BUT FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE SAYING IT'S JUST THE OPPOSITE. IT'S ACTUALLY SPINNING UP A LOT OF PEOPLE INTO A FRENZY THAT SOMEBODY IS COMING TO TAKE OUR GUNS. BETTO O'ROURE IS NOT RUNNING ANYMORE. AND HE WAS EMOTIONAL AT THE TIME BECAUSE 22 PEOPLE DIED IN HIS CITY. I CAN UNDERSTAND WHY SOMEBODY WOULD SAY THAT. >> CHAIRMAN CELLA: THANK YOU MA'AM. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: BUT THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. >> CHAIRMAN CELLA: MR. WILLARD. JAMES, IF YOU WOULD. MS. DUKE YOU ARE ON DECK. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: JAMES WILLARD. 5239 ACRE ESTATES DRIVE JACKSONVILLE, FLORIDA. SANCTUARY CITY IS NOT TO IMPLY SAFE HAVEN FOR GUNS OR A GUN OR GUNS. IT IS A SAFE HAVEN FOR YOUR RIGHTS. OUR AMENDMENTS. SO, TO, YOU KNOW, KINDLY GET UP HERE AND ATTACK GAVIN FOR THIS IS JUST ISN'T RIGHT. TO SAY THIS RESOLUTION ISN'T NEEDED IS TO SAY THAT THE BAD GUYS ARE THE ONLY ONES THAT HAVE THE RIGHTS. I MEAN, DO THEY FOLLOW THESE LAWS? AND SO IN 1791 55 INTELLIGENT VIDE INDIVIDUALS GOT TOGETHER AND DEVELOPED OUR CONSTITUTION. AND ONE BEING THE RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS TO PROTECT CITIZENS FROM TYRANNY. THIS WAS SECOND FOR A REASON. THEY WERE LOOKING OUT FOR WE THE PEOPLE JUST LIKE THIS GROUP IN FRONT OF ME SUDDEN -- SHOULD BE DOING. SOME SAY THIS RESOLUTION SHOULDN'T BE ON THE SCHEDULE. THEY ARE RIGHT. THE LAW HAS BEEN WRITTEN FOR OVER 230 YEARS. SO, WHY SHOULD WE HAVE TO PASS A RESOLUTION TO PROTECT AN EXISTING LAW? TO TAKE AWAY OUR GUNS WILL PROTECT THE BAD GUYS ONLY. IF YOU HAVE HATE OR MALICE IN YOUR HEART A PARTICULARLY LAW WOULDN'T GOING TO CHANGE THE OUTCOME. THERE ARE TOUGH GUN LAWS IN SEVERAL TOWNS AND STATISTICS SHOW THEY AREN'T WORKING OUT WELL. WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS AND THAT IS THE LAW AS SEVERAL HAVE STATED BEFORE ME TODAY YOU HAVE TAKEN AN OATH TO ENSURE SUCH LAWS ARE KEPT. TO SAY THIS RESOLUTION IS A DANESER OR DETERRENT TO CLAY COUNTY IS RIDICULOUS. THE FIGHT TO BECOME A SANCTUARY CITY IS A PREVENTATIVE MEASURE TO KEEP GUN CONFISCATION FROM HAPPENING. I JUST WANT TO -- THIS RESOLUTION NEEDS TO BE PASSED FOR THE GOOD MY GUYS. THANK YOU, GAVIN, FOR YOUR SERVICE AND FOR BRINGING THIS UP TO THE FOREFRONT. >> CHAIRMAN CELLA: THANK YOU. MS. DUKE? >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: BANNET DUKE. I LIVE 182 NORTH RIDGE DRIVE FLEMING ISLAND, FLORIDA, 32003. BY COMMISSIONER ROLLINS OWN ADMISSION HE PUT FORTH THIS RESOLUTION IN REACTION TO BETO O'ROURKE'S COMMENT THAT'S HE WAS GOING TO COME AND TAKE YOUR GUNS. HIS WAS A STATEMENT MADE AN EXTREME STATEMENT MADE IN REACTION TO THE MASS SHOOTING THAT HAPPENED IN EL PASO. TRAGIC. I THINK WE ALL CAN AGREE, RIGHT. AND JUST AS TRAGIC AS THAT WAS AND BETTO'S STATEMENT -- BETA'S STATEMENT WAS A KNEE-JERK REACTION. SO, IS COMMISSIONER ROLLINS REACTION. THIS RESOLUTION IS A KNEE-JERK REACTION. IT'S EXTREME. BETO O'ROURKE IS NOT EVEN A CANDIDATE ANYMORE. SO I READ A HORRIFIC STAT THE OTHER DAY. IN 2017 ALONE THERE WERE 144 POLICE OFFICERS THAT DIED IN THE LINE OF DUTY. 1,000 ACTIVE DUTY MILITARY DIED THROUGHOUT THE WORLD. MEANWHILE, 2,462 SCHOOL-AGED CHILDREN WERE KILLED BY FIREARMS. WHILE SCHOOL-AGED CHILDREN ACROSS THE COUNTRY ARE REGULARLY PARTICIPATING IN ACTIVE SHOOTER DRILLS IN RESPONSE TO THE GUN VIOLENCE [02:20:01] EPIDEMIC THAT HAS THREATENED EVERYONE'S SAFETY AND PEACE OF MIND, I URGE YOU, THE COMMISSION WHEN YOU ARE KING THIS RESOLUTION, TO ASK YOURSELVES, JUST WHO IS IT YOU ARE CREATING A HAVEN FOR? THANK YOU. >> CHAIRMAN CELLA: THANK YOU, MA'AM. MS. BATES YOU HAVE ALREADY SPOKE ON THIS ISSUE SO BY OUR RULES YOU ONLY GET ONE SHOT. SO I WANTED TO MAKE SURE YOU UNDERSTOOD WHY I WASN'T CALLING ON YOU AT THIS TIME. THOSE ARE THE NUMBER OF CARDS I HAVE. I'LL GIVE YOU A LAST CALL IF YOU HAVEN'T SPOKEN AND WOULD LIKE TO FILL OUT A CARD WE CAN HAVE YOU SPEAK FIRST THEN GO OVER AND FILL OUT A CARD. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: I NEED TO MAKE A POINT OF CLARIFICATION. >> CHAIRMAN CELLA: MR. RIDDLING YOU HAD YOUR OPPORTUNITY. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: PEOPLE MIGHT THINK I HAD A MENTALLY ILL FRIEND. I DID NOT. I WATCHED HER DIE. THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED ON JUNE 18TH. >> CHAIRMAN CELLA: I APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. SO I WILL CLOSE THE -- IS SOMEBODY BACK THERE TRYING TO COME AND SEE US? SIR, IF YOU WOULD COME ON DOWN. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: MY NAME IS DONALD ADAMS. I RESIDE AT 983 DRAKE WOOD DRIVE ORANGE PARK, FLORIDA. MY QUESTION IS FOR COMMISSIONER ROLLINS. SIR, YOU SAID THAT THE SANCTUARY COUNTY LAW WOULD MEAN THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE TO FOLLOW ANY FEDERAL AGENTS THAT MIGHT COME DOWN TO CONFISCATE GUNS. SO, IF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT CAME DOWN TO CONFISCATE OUR GUNS, WHAT DO YOU PROPOSE THAT WE DO IN OUR SANCTUARY CITY/COUNTY? >> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: WE WOULD NOT ALLOW LOCAL RESOURCES TO GO TOWARDS THAT EFFORT AS IS THE CASE IN A LOT OF OTHER EFFORTS. I MEAN, LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT'S NOT TYPICALLY INVOLVED IN COUNTERFEIT CURRENCY OPERATIONS IF THEY FIND OUT ABOUT COUNTERFEITING FEDERAL MONEY THEY LET THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT KNOW. THE FBI, HOMELAND SECURITY AND OTHER AGENCIES. IT'S SIM PLAY SAYING THAT WE HAVE AN OPTION AT THE LOCAL LEVEL TO EITHER PARTICIPATE OR NOT PARTICIPATE IN FEDERAL LAW ENFORCEMENT ACTIVITY. AND SOME CASES LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT COOPERATES WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. AND WHAT I AM SIMPLY SAYING WE SHOULD MAKE A STATEMENT THAT WE THINK THAT AT THE LOCAL LEVEL WE SHOULD NOT PARTICIPATE IN FEDERAL LAW ENFORCEMENT ACTIVITY IF IT INVOLVES CONFISCATING GUNS. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: OKAY. SO MY FOLLOW UP QUESTION. IF THE COUNTY PASSES THIS ORDINANCE, AND I REFUSE TO ABIDE BY THE FEDERAL LAWS, HOW WILL THE COUNTY SUPPORT ME IF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT DECIDES TO ENACT SOME TYPE OF ACTION AGAINST ME? >> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: THAT WOULD BE BETWEEN YOU AND THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: THANK YOU. >> CHAIRMAN CELLA: DID YOU TURN A CARD IN, SIR? >> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: THE FBI CAN GO DIRECTLY TO YOUR HOUSE RESOLUTION IT DOESN'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT GUN CONFISCATION. >> CHAIRMAN CELLA: I AM GOING HAVE TO INTERRUPT YOU BECAUSE YOU ARE OFF MIC. SECOND OF ALL I AM GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND BRING IT BACK TO THE BOARD AND WE'LL DISCUSS THAT AND I'M SURE PEOPLE WILL ASK THAT QUESTION INDICATED THERE IS NOTHING ABOUT RED FLAG LAWS IN EITHER RESOLUTION. I AM GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND BRING IT BACK TO THE BOARD. I INDICATED THAT WE HAD THREE OPTIONS ON THIS PARTICULAR ITEM. I'M GOING TO CHANGE THAT UP A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE OPTION NUMBER -- WELL THERE'S FOUR OPTIONS. WE CAN VOTE ON THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL UP OR DOWN. WE CAN -- COMMISSIONER BOLLA ASKED TO TABLE IT. I THINK THE POSSIBILITY OF TAKING BUT WE ALSO CAN CONTINUE THE ISSUE UNTIL THE NEXT MEETING AND THEN WE CAN DISCUSS UP OR DOWN ON THE OTHER PROPOSAL. THE SECOND PROPOSAL, AND I APOLOGIZE IT DIDN'T GET OUT SOONER, BUT WE REALLY DIDN'T COMPLETE THAT UNTIL EARLIER TODAY AND THAT WAS AFTER WE WAITED FOR COLLINS COUNTY, TEXAS WHICH WAS ALSO CONSIDERING A SIMILAR SANCTUARY COUNTY RESOLUTION TO FINISH. THEY DECIDED TO GO TO A SECOND OPTION WHICH WAS TO REAFFIRM THEIR BELIEF IN THE SECOND AMENDMENT AND ALSO UPHOLD THE OATH THAT THE COMMISSIONERS TOOK UPON BEING SEATED WHICH IS IN THEIR CASE THE STATE OF TEXAS. OUR CASE THE STATE OF FLORIDA AND THE U.S. CONSTITUTION. SO THAT'S WHAT YOU WERE JUST HANDED [02:25:02] OUT. OBVIOUSLY, NOBODY HAD A GREAT DEAL OF TIME TO BE ABLE TO LOOK AT IT AND APOLOGIZE BUT IT WASN'T MEANT SO THAT WE HAD TO TAKE ACTION ON IT THIS EVENING. ON ANY OF THESE ITEMS ACTUALLY. THAT'S WHERE WE SIT. I'D LAKE TO HEAR FROM MY COMMISSIONERS, MY COLLEAGUES TO DETERMINE WHAT COURSE OF ACTION THEY'D LIKE TO TAKE. >> COMMISSIONER HENDRY: MAY ADDRESS SOME OF THE CONCERNS I'VE HEARD TONIGHT? >> CHAIRMAN CELLA: ABSOLUTE FIE. >> COMMISSIONER HENDRY: FOLKS THIS IS THE BEST PART OF DEMOCRACY. WE GET IN A ROOM AND SLUG IT OUT AND AGREE AND SOME OF US GO HOME MAD AND SOME HAPPY. >> CHAIRMAN CELLA: AND HOPEFULLY EVERYBODY GOES HOME [LAUGHTER] >> COMMISSIONER HENDRY: LET ME SAY, A LOT OF THESE ARGUMENTS I'VE HEARD THROUGH THE YEARS. I'VE JUST ESTABLISHED MYSELF. I WAS A POLICE OFFICER FOR 44 YEARS. JUST RETIRED ABOUT THREE YEARS AGO TO TAKE THIS JOB. SOMETIMES I WONDER IF I DIDN'T GET IN THE WRONG PROFESSION. I'M ALSO RETIRED MARINE CORPS OFFICER. SO, VIOLENCE AND DEATH AND TRIALS AND TRIBULATIONS. AND I'M ALSO A STEWARD OF HISTORY. SO I CAN LOOK AT THIS FROM BOTH SIDES OF IT. LET ME JUST GIVE YOU A FEW COMMENTS THAT I'VE JOTTED DOWN HERE. SOME OF THEM ARE IN RESPONSE TO WHAT I HEARD. SOME OF THEM IS MY OWN OPINION. BUT I HOPE YOU WILL TAKE THEM AS I GIVE THEM TO YOU AND THAT'S WITH SOME DEGREE OF SINCERITY. SOMEBODY SAID NO ONE IS TRYING TO TAKE OUR GUNS. WELL, IF YOUISTORY THEY SAID THE SAME THING IN RUSSIA. THEY SAID THE SAME THING IN GERMANY. THEY SAID THE SAME THING IN ITALY. AND THAT WAS THEIR FIRST STEP TO ESTABLISHING A COMPLETE DICTATORSHIP WAS TO DISARM THE CITIZENRY. IF YOU GO BACK AND LOOK IN THE FILES OF THE IMPERIL ARMY OF JAPAN JUST PRIOR TO WORLD WAR II, THEY HAD PLANS NOT ONLY TO ATTACK PEARL HARBOR BUT THEY ALSO HAD PLANS TO LAND TROOPS ON THE WESTERN COAST OF THE UNITED STATES, I.E., CALIFORNIA. IT'S RIGHT THERE IN PLAQUE AND WHITE. THEY -- BLACK AND WHITE. THEY CANCELLED THAT PLAN. YOU KNOW WHY? YAM AMOTO WHO WAS THE ADMIRAL IN CHARGE OF THE FLEET AT THAT TIME, HE HAD SPENT A LOT OF TIME IN AMERICA AND HE SAID NO IT IS A BAD IDEA BECAUSE EVERYONE THAT WE ENCOUNTER WHEN WE GO ASHORE WILL HAVE A GUN. AND THEY KNOW HOW TO USE IT AND THEY WILL DEFEND THEIR COUNTRY AND THEY WILL DEFEND THEIR LIFE AND LIB. WE WOULD GET BOGGED DOWN. WE WOULD GET SNIPED BY THE THOUSANDS. WE WOULD BE UNABLE TO SUPPORT OUR TROOPS. SO THEY CANCELLED THAT IDEA. WHY? BECAUSE WE ARE A NATION OF FIREARMS. WE GREW UP A NATION OF FIREARMS. THAT'S THE WAY WE RUN OUR FREEDOM. AND I'M NOT GOING TO GET INTO POLITICAL DISCUSSIONS. WE CAN HAVE THAT OUT IN THE HALLWAY. I'VE GOT SOME VERY STRONG OPINIONS ON THE HISTORY OF THE UNITED STATES. BUT I AM A LIFELONG NRA MEMBER. BUT I MUST HAVE DRUNK THAT KOOLAID MA'AM BEFORE I BECAME A LIFELONG MEMBER BECAUSE I HAD THAT MINDSET WAY BEFORE I GOT HOOKED UP WITH THE NRA. BILL ELROD HE IS A FORMER PRESIDENT OF THE NRA IN CLAY COUNTY. ARMY OFFICER, A MAN OF INTEGRITY AND CHARACTER. AND IF I EVER WAS GOING TO BE IN ANY KIND OF PHYSICAL SITUATION, IT'S PEOPLE LIKE BILL ELROD I WANT AT MY BACK. I HEAR YOU. IF WE'RE EVER OUT IN THE PUBLIC AND YOU ARE THREATENED BY ANYONE PHYSICALLY AND YOU ARE GOING TO GET HARMED, I WILL KILL THAT PERSON RATHER THAN LETTING YOU GET HARMED. I WILL SHOOT THEM DEAD. AND THAT'S WHERE THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE. LET ME FINISH. AND I DON'T SAY THAT BECAUSE I'M BRAGGING. I'M JUST SAYING THAT BECAUSE YOUR FOLKS LIVES ARE A LOT MORE IMPORTANT TO ME THAN SOME HOODLUM. AND I THINK SOMEONE KIND OF SAID THAT EARLIER. SO, YOU KNOW, I DON'T MIND TAKING A LIFE IF IT'S IN DEFENSE OF MY FAMILY, MY COUNTRY, MY FRIENDS OR AN INNOCENT CITIZEN. I'LL BE THERE FOR YOU. THESE ARE NOT IN ANY ORDER THEY'RE JUST KIND OF RANDOM THOUGHTS. BEAR WITH ME AND APOLOGIZE FOR DRAGGING THIS OUT. BUT PEN AND PAPER IS SUPPOSED TO BE MIGHTIER THAN THE SWORD SO WE'LL FIND OUT HERE SHORTLY. THIS IS NOT -- PLEASE HEAR ME. THIS IS NOT A QUESTION OF PATRIOTISM. YOU DON'T LIKE GUNS SO YOU ARE NOT PATRIOTIC. I'VE NEVER HEARD ANYBODY AT THE NRA SAY THAT AS LONG AS I'VE BEEN ASSOCIATED WITH THEM. YOU CAN BE PRO GUN AND PATRIOTIC OR UNPATRIOTIC DEPENDING ON, YOU KNOW, WHERE YOUR MINDSET IS. IT'S NOT A QUESTION OF ILLEGAL POSSESSION OF FIREARMS. IF THIS RESOLUTION IS PASSED TONIGHT, THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE AN ABUNDANCE OF PEOPLE RUNNING DOWN TO THE GUN STORE TOMORROW TO [02:30:03] STOCK UP ON GUNS. IT DOES NOTHING FOR THEM. WHEN YOU WAKE UP IN THE MORNING, IF WE'VE PASSED THIS RESOLUTION OR IF WE DON'T, WHEN YOU WAKE UP, NOTHING, AND LET ME SAY AGAIN, NOTHING HAS CHANGED. EXCEPT MAYBE FOR ONE THING. TALKING ABOUT TAKING FIREARMS. YOU KNOW HOW CLOSE WE ARE TO GETTING OUR FIREARMS TAKEN? I'M GOING TO TELL YOU. YOU THINK ABOUT THIS. WE'RE ONE VOTE. ONE VOTE. IF YOU FOLLOW NATIONAL POLITICS YOU KNOW WE DID A PRETTY GOOD JOB PUTTING CONSERVATIVE JUDGES ON DISTRICT AND SUPREME COURTS BUT THIS HAS BEEN ARGUED IN FRONT OF THE SUPREME COURT BEFORE AND IT DIDN'T PASS BUT IT CAME PRETTY CLOSE. SIR, LET ME FINISH TALKING OKAY? I'M GOING TO SPEAK MY MIND. I'VE BEEN SITTING HERE TAKING NOTES AND I WANT TO SPEAK MY MIND JUST LIKE WE GAVE YOU AN OPPORTUNITY. IF YOU GET TIRED OF LISTENING TO ME GO OUT AND TAKE A BREAK THEN COME BACK IN. MY POINT IS TO SAY THIS. IF IT IS A 5-4 DECISION IF THE SUPREME COURT DECIDES THE SECOND AMENDMENT IS NOT EXACTLY WHAT THE NRA THINKS IT IS OR THE FOUNDERS THINK IT IS, GUESS WHAT? THEY'RE GOING TO PASS A LAW OR THEY'RE GOING TO SUPPORT A LAW. MA'AM, YOU SHAKE YOUR HEAD, BUT I'VE SEEN IT HAPPEN BEFORE. THEY'RE GOING TO SAY IT'S FINE FOR MILITIA AND ARMED FORCES TO HAVE GUNS BUT NOT THE AVERAGE CITIZEN. AND YOU THINK THAT'S -- I SEE IT ON TV EVERY DAY. ALL YOU GOT TO DO IS TURN IT ON. WE'RE ONE VOTE FROM LOSING THIS RIGHT. MY POINT IS I'M NOT BIG ABOUT RESOLUTIONS. BECAUSE I TOLD GAVIN EARLIER, YOU KNOW, THIS IS KIND OF UP THERE WITH THE NATIONAL CAT WEEK. BECAUSE IT REALLY CHANGES NOTHING. BUT WHAT IT WILL DO -- >> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: I SUPPORT NATIONAL CAT WEEK. >> COMMISSIONER HENDRY: I KNOW YOU DO. WHAT IT WILL DO IS LET THE PEOPLE ON THE SUPREME COURT, THE DISTRICT COURT OF APPEALS, THE LOCALS, WHOEVER ELSE, ALL THOSE GUN RIGHTS GROUPS THAT WANT TO TAKE OUR WEAPONS, IT WILL TELL THEM THAT, NO, CLAY COUNTY REALLY WANTS TO SUPPORT THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES. OBVIOUSLY I THOUGHT THIS WAS GOING TO BE A POWERFUL ARGUMENT AND I MIGHT CHANGE SOMEBODY'S MINDS BUT IT DOESN'T APPEAR I'M GOING TO. BUT I'M GOING TO CONTINUE WITH MY THOUGHTS JUST THE SAME. IF WE PASS THIS TONIGHT NOBODY IS GOING TO WAKE UP AND MOVE OUT OF THE COUNTY. NOBODY IS GOING TO READ WE PASSED THIS AND DECIDE WE'RE NOT MOVING TO CLAY COUNTY BECAUSE THEY'RE IN FAVOR OF THE SECOND AMENDMENT. HELL THAT'S WHERE I WOULD WANT TO BE MOVING TO. SOMEBODY THAT WOULD SUPPORT THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES. IF I'M WRONG ABOUT THAT, SOMEBODY PLEASE CORRECT MME ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. SANCTUARY COUNTY. WE REMOVE THAT TODAY. IT'S GOT A BAD CONNOTATION. WE'RE NOT A SANCTUARY FOR ANYTHING EXCEPT GOD COUNTRY AND HONEST CITIZENS. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE A SANCTUARY FOR. WE'VE GOT AN EXCELLENT LAW ENFORCEMENT IN THIS COUNTY. THE LAWS WILL NOT CHANGE BECAUSE OF WHAT WE DO OR NOT DO. THEY'RE GOING TO BE OUT THERE BUSTING THEIR BUTT TOMORROW IF THEY FIND SOMEBODY WITH A GUN AND IT'S ILLEGAL FOR THEY'RE BREAKING THE LAW WITH IT THEIR BUTT IS GOING TO JAIL. JUST THAT SIMPLE. I DON'T THINK A RESOLUTION OR NOT A RESOLUTION IS GOING TO MAKE THEIR JOB ANY BETTER OR ANY WORSE. BUT AS BILL ELROD SAID LAST NIGHT AND I WAS HAPPY TO SIT IN ON THE NRA MEETING IT WILL SEND A MESSAGE TO PEOPLE THINKING IF WE CAN JUST FIGURE OUT A WAY TO GET ALL OF OUR GUNS WE GOT IT MADE BOYS. YOU CAN PASS ALL THE LAWS YOU WANT TO. YOU CAN PASS ALL THE LAWS YOU WANT TO. BUT WHAT THIS COUNTRY NEEDS IS A CHANGE OF MIND AND A CHANGE OF HEART AND PROBABLY A GOOD DOSE OF LORD AND SAVIOR. BECAUSE UNTIL THAT CHANGES YOU ARE STILL GOING TO HAVE SHOOTINGS IN SCHOOLS. YOU ARE STILL GOING TO HAVE INCIDENTS INVOLVING GUNS JUST LIKE YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE INCIDENTS OF PEOPLE OVERDOSING WITH NARCOTICS. IT'S A HUMAN NATURE THING. IT'S NOT A GUN THING. AND I REALLY THINK THAT WE NEED GUNS IN THE HANDS OF MORE PEOPLE. BUT WE NEED THEM IN THE HANDS OF THE RIGHT PEOPLE. THE RIGHT PEOPLE. AND I'M ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE BECAUSE I'VE ALREADY SAID I WOULD COME TO YOUR DEFENSE AT THE COST OF DEATH. YOU REMEMBER THAT THING I SAID ABOUT YOUR COURT SYSTEM. [02:35:02] I'M GOING ON CLOSE. I GOT OTHER STUFF HERE BUT I WANT TO CLOSE BY JUST READING WHERE WE ARE TONIGHT. AND I DON'T THINK ANYBODY HERE -- WE MAY DISAGREE ON FINE POINTS, BUT I DON'T THINK ANYBODY CAN DISSTAY GREW WITH THIS. THIS IS THE LAST LINE OF A RESOLUTION THAT WE'RE PROPOSING. SECTION 2. EVERYBODY LISTENING? THE CLAY COUNTY BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS HEREBY AFFIRMS OUR SOLEMN OATH TO SUPPORT, PROTECT AND DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION AND GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES AND THE STATE OF FLORIDA. GET AN AMEN ON THAT? [AMEN]. PURE AND SIMPLE. I WANT TO TELL YOU I'M NOT A BIG RESOLUTION MAN. BUT AFTER HEARING EVERYBODY, SOMEBODY SAID WE NEED TO COME DOWN WITH A DEFINITE RESPONSE, AND I AGREE. WE NEED TO STAND UP AND BE COUNTED OR FOLD AND GO UNDER. SO I AM GOING TO SUPPORT THIS. BUT IF I HAD MY WAY IT WOULD PROBABLY BE A WHOLE LOT STRONGER. NOT IN FAVOR OF THE GOOD FOLKS BUT OPPOSED TO THE CRIMINALS. MR. CHAIRMAN, THAT'S ALL I GOT. THANK YOU FOR INDULGING ME. >> CHAIRMAN CELLA: THANK YOU, SIR. I'LL GO DOWN TO COMMISSIONER BOLLA DO YOU WANT TO SAY ANYTHING? >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: SURE. I'VE HAD A PERMIT TO CARRY A CONCEALED WEAPON FOR OVER 30 YEARS IN 2 STATES. I AM A LIFE MEMBER OF THE NRA. I THINK WE GOT PLENTY OF GUN LAWS ON THE BOOKS. LET'S ENFORCE THE DAN DARN THINGS. WE DON'T NEED ANYMORE. I CONSIDER MYSELF TO BE KIND OF A MIDDLE OF THE ROAD CONSERVATIVE HERE. DECLARING CLAY COUNTY A SANCTUARY ANYTHING IS KIND OF WAY OFF MY RIGHT WING HERE. I JUST HAVE SOME PROBLEMS WITH THAT. I DON'T FEEL IT'S GOOD FOR THE COUNTY. I CONTINUE TO SUPPORT THE SECOND AMENDMENT. I STRONGLY FEEL THAT WHEN ONLY POLICEMEN AND SOLDIERS HAVE GUNS WE'VE LOST OUR DEMOCRACY. AND THAT'S SOMETHING I'LL DIE FOR. BUT I CAN'T SUPPORT US AS A SANCTUARY CITY OR COUNTY OR WHATEVER WE WANT TO CALL THIS. IT'S JUST -- IT DOESN'T LOOK GOOD FROM THE OUTSIDE WHEN YOU ARE LOOKING AT CLAY COUNTY. I DON'T THINK THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO STAND UP AND BE. I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH SUPPORTING THE SECOND AMENDMENT. BUT THE SANCTUARY CITY THING I JUST CAN'T BUY. [APPLAUSE] >> COMMISSIONER HENDRY: COMMISSIONER, YOU ARE EXACTLY RIGHT. THAT'S THE REASON THAT LANGUAGE WAS TAKEN OUT. THAT KIND OF TAINTED THE WHOLE PROCESS. SO NOW WE'RE GOING FROM A SANCTUARY COUNTY TO THE COUNTY THAT SUPPORTS THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT. I'D LIKE TO LOOK AT THIS RESOLUTION FOR A DAY AT LEAST AND READ THE WHOLE THING. WE HAVEN'T HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT. >> COMMISSIONER HENDRY: AND THESE FOLKS PROBABLY HAVEN'T EITHER. >> CHAIRMAN CELLA: ALL DONE? >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: YEP. >> CHAIRMAN CELLA: MISSIONER HUTCHINGS. >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: IT'S ALWAYS A PRIVILEGE TO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC. AND I WANT TO THANK YOU ALL FOR TAKING TIME OUT OF YOUR FAMILY TIME AND YOUR EVENING, WHATEVER YOUR NORMAL ROUTINE IS AND COMING HERE TONIGHT AND SPEAKING. REGARDLESS OF WHAT OUR ACTION IS, THE RIGHT THAT YOU HAVE THAT WE LIVE IN A COUNTRY WHERE YOU CAN SPEAK YOUR MIND IS SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD ALL HOLD SACRED. TO THE MOM WHO LOST YOUR SON, I'M VERY SORRY FOR YOUR LOSS. AND MY OWN FAMILY LOST A FAMILY MEMBER TO A MURDERER. AND IT WAS BY A GUN. BUT I DON'T SEE THE GUN AS THE PROBLEM MYSELF. I SEE EVIL AS THE PROBLEM. AND YOU CAN CALL IT MENTAL ILLNESS. YOU CAN CALL IT WHATEVER YOU WANT TO. BUT I KNOW IN OUR CASE IT WAS SHEER EVIL. AND I SHARE THAT WITH YOU NOT -- I DON'T SHARE IT VERY MUCH BUT I WANTED YOU TO KNOW HOW SERIOUSLY TAKE THIS ISSUE. I DO AGREE THAT THE RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS IN OUR CONSTITUTION IS SACRED AND IT IS THE BEDROCK OF OTHER FREEDOMS. BILL, I DON'T KNOW THAT I'VE EVER HEARD YOU SPEAK MORE ELOQUENTLY THAN TONIGHT. I WAS VERY PROUD TO HEAR THAT SPEECH. I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE WRITTEN DOWN AND READ IN HIGH SCHOOLS MYSELF. IT WAS VERY WELL DONE. I'M IN SUPPORT OF A RESOLUTION BUT FOR ME THE RESOLUTION IS NOT REALLY AN ACTION ITEM. WHATEVER RIGHT THAT THE RESOLUTION IS POINTING TO IS A RIGHT THAT WAS HANDED DOWN IN THE PRINTZ CASE. SO, I DON'T SEE THAT IT MAKES [02:40:02] ANYBODY LESS SAFE MYSELF. WHAT I SEE IS THAT AS A COUNTY COMMISSION WE ARE TELLING OUR CONSTITUENTS THAT YOU HAVE BEEN GIVEN RIGHTS THROUGH THE SUPREME COURT AS WELL AS RIGHTS TO THE CONSTITUTION AND WE'RE OUTLINING THAT TO MAKE PEOPLE AWARE OF IT. IF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT DECIDES ONE DAY TO COME AND TAKE OUR WEAPONS AND IT IS ALWAYS JUST A VOTE AWAY, IF THEY DECIDE TO DO THAT, WE CAN'T STOP THEM. IT'S NOT GOING TO PROTECT YOU FROM LOSING YOUR WEAPONS. IT IS, HOWEVER, GOING TO STOP THEM FROM MAKING US COME AND TAKE YOUR WEAPONS. AND TO ME THAT'S AN IMPORTANT POINT. I DON'T THINK UNTIL WE CAN SOLVE THE PROBLEM OF THE HEART OF MAN THAT WE'LL RESOLVE ALL OF THE VIOLENCE IN OUR COMMUNITIES. AND AT THE VERY LEAST WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO PROTECT OURSELVES. MY FAMILY, WE ALL HAVE CONCEAL CARRY PERMITS AND WE TAKE RESPONSIBILITY IN HOW WE SECURE OUR GUNS WITH SAFES THAT HAVE THUMB PRINT LOCKS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO I AGREE WE SHOULD BE RESPONSIBLE. I WISH THERE WERE MORE CLASSES BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S PART OF IT TOO. BACK IN THE OLD DAYS WHEN COMMISSIONER HENDRY WAS A BOY YOU HAD A GUN AT HOME AND YOUR DADDY SHOWED YOU HOW TO DO IT AND TAUGHT YOU HOW TO BE SAFE WITH IT. WE DON'T HAVE THAT IN OUR SOCIETY TODAY. SO I THINK EDUCATION IS A BIG PART OF IT. SO I APPLAUD YOU ALL THAT YOU DO HAVE IN YOUR T-SHIRT THAT YOU ARE ABOUT EDUCATION. AND I SEE THAT AS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN ALL AGREE SO, THAT WE NEED TO HAVE MORE EDUCATION. BUT, AGAIN, THIS TO ME THIS RESOLUTION IS MERELY CEREMONIAL AND I EMBRACE THE THOUGHTS THAT ARE THERE BECAUSE THERE RIGHTS GIVEN TO US THROUGH THE COURTS AND THROUGH THE CONSTITUTION. THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. >> CHAIRMAN CELLA: MISSIONER ROLLINS DID YOU WANT TO FOLLOW UP? >> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY. I'M OKAY WITH THE NEW LANGUAGE. I WAS NEVER -- IT WASN'T ABOUT A PARTICULAR LANGUAGE. THE THING TO ME THAT IS IMPORTANT IS THE PRINTZ CASE. THE CASE HAS ALREADY SAID THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT CAN'T FORCE ACTION. BUT I JUST THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US AT THE LOCAL LEVEL TO UNDERSTAND THAT WE DO HAVE RIGHTS UNDER THE STATE AND THE STATE AND FEDERAL DIVIDE IS THERE AND THERE IS A WALL AND DUAL SOVEREIGNTY. I THINK THAT'S PART OF THE REASON THAT I THOUGHT THIS WAS IMPORTANT. NOT JUST SYMBOLICALLY BUT IN TERMS OF PROTECTING THE LOCAL PREROGATIVE NOT TO PARTICIPATE IN A FEDERAL GUN CONFISCATION. SO THAT WAS THE MAIN REASON. BUT I WOULD SUPPORT IF THE REST OF THE COMMISSION FEELS MORE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT I WOULD SUPPORT COMMISSIONER CELLA'S NEW LANGUAGE AND YEAH. >> CHAIRMAN CELLA: THANK YOU, SIR. ONE OF THE EITHER JOYS OR CURSES OF BEING THE CHAIRMAN IS YOU GET TO GO LAST. SO, SOMETIMES IT'S DIFFICULT TO STAGE YOUR ARGUMENT WHEN YOU G - HEAR EVERYBODY ELSE'S SITUATION. PART OF THE REASON I CRAFTED ALONGSIDE WITH A GREAT DEAL OF HELP FROM OUR COUNTY ATTORNEY COURTNEY GRIMM IS THE FACT THAT I RECEIVED A LOT OF FEEDBACK ON THE ISSUE. A LOT OF IT WAS NEGATIVE. SO, YOU KNOW, MY GOAL AS CHAIRMAN HAS BEEN THROUGH ALL OF THE UPS AND DOWNS THAT WE'VE HAD THIS PAST YEAR IS TO TRY TO POSITION THE BOARD IN THE VERY BEST PLACE IT CAN BE AND, AT THE SAME TIME, INCORPORATE EVERYBODY'S THOUGHTS AND IDEAS AND FEELINGS SO THAT WE COULD COME AWAY AS AN ENTITY WHICH DIDN'T FRACTURE US AND THEN MAKE US LESS EFFECTIVE WHEN DEALING WITH OTHER ISSUES AND IN SOME CASES MORE ISSUES THAT ARE MORE IMPORTANT TO THE DEVELOPMENT AND THE MOVING FORWARD OF OUR COUNTY. SO THAT'S WHY IT WAS SO LATE. BECAUSE QUITE HONESTLY WE WE GOT THE FEEDBACK THAT WE DID. I GOT PROBABLY SOME 70 OR 80 EMAILS. PROBABLY ANOTHER HALF DOZEN TO DOZEN PHONE CALLS. A NUMBER OF PEOPLE STOPPING ME AT THE MANY EVENTS THAT I DO ATTEND. AND I KNEW COMMISSIONER ROLLINS WAS SERIOUS ABOUT THE MESSAGE THAT IT WAS GOING TO SEND. AND I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT MESSAGE HE WANTED TO SEND BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IN BETWEEN MEETINGS WE CAN'T TALK TO EACH OTHER. IN THE SUNSHINE, WE HAVE TO OPERATE ONLY TALKING TO EACH OTHER ON THE BOARD FLOOR. SO, SOMETIMES PEOPLE WALK AWAY FROM A MEETING AND THEY THINK WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE DOING BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE OTHER PERSON IS BRINGING TO THE TABLE. THAT'S BECAUSE WE CAN'T TALK TO EACH OTHER. ANYWAY, SO MOST OF THE RESIDENTS THAT DID CONTACT ME, AS I SAID, I GOT BACK TO AS MANY AS I COULD. I COULDN'T GET -- THERE WAS PROBABLY 20 OR 25 TODAY ALONE. AND EVEN SOME OF THE GUN OWNERS. VERY MUCH PEOPLE THAT WERE, YOU KNOW, FOLKS THAT YOU WOULD CALL GUN PEOPLE INDICATED THAT THEY OBJECTED TO THE USE OF [02:45:05] "SANCTUARY" BECAUSE OF THE DIVISIVENESS OF THE WORD. AND THEY DIDN'T WANT TO GET EXACTLY WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE HAPPEN. IN TERMS OF THE GUN DEBATE WITH ALL OF THE VARIOUS DIFFERENT CONNOTATIONS BEING ARGUED BECAUSE AS WE ALL KNOW WE HERE IN LITTLE CLAY COUNTY, WE HAVE NO JURISDICTION WHEN IT COMES TO GUNS. THAT'S UP THIS THE STATE AND FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. SO THE BOTTOM LINE IS WE CAN'T PASS GUN LAWS. SO, THIS PROPOSAL AND THIS RESOLUTION IS SYMBOLIC IN SOME SENSES. BECAUSE IT'S NOT BINDING. THE NEXT BOARD CAN VOTE TO DO AWAY WITH IT. IN FACT EARLIER TODAY THE SHERIFF POSTED A VIDEO ON FACEBOOK AND HE PRETTY MUCH STEPPED AWAY FROM THIS BY SAYING THE ONLY THING HE HAS TO WORRY ABOUT IS STATE STATUTE. THAT'S WHAT DICTATES HIS LAW ENFORCEMENT. AND HE SAID, YOU KNOW, HE DIDN'T UNDERSTAND BECAUSE, OBVIOUSLY, HE PROBABLY DIDN'T HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO TALK TO COMMISSIONER ROLLINS ABOUT IT SO HE REALLY DIDN'T UNDERSTAND WHAT THE PROPOSAL WAS ALL ABOUT OR THREES LUCIEN WAS ALL ABOUT BUT THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT HE INDICATED EARLIER TODAY. I PERSONALLY, YOU KNOW, AND I FEEL OBLIGATED TO SAY THIS FOR SOME REASON. JUST SO PEOPLE DON'T THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, I HAVE ONE BENT OR ANOTHER BENT. I AM NOT A BIG GUN GUY. I DO OWN GUNS. I OWN THREE OF THEM. I LOOK FORWARD TO ATTENDING THE FRIENDS OF THE NRA EVENT EVERY YEAR. I WON A GUN LAST YEAR IN FEBRUARY. BILL ELROD HELPED ME FILL OUT THE PAPERWORK. I'M NOT AN ANTI-GUN GUY. MY DAUGHTER OWNS A GUN. MY DAD OWNS MULTIPLE GUNS. PROBABLY MORE THAN HE NEEDS BUT NOT AS MANY AS HE WANTS [LAUGHTER] JUST LEAVE IT AT THAT. MY MOM DOESN'T KNOW WHAT COMES IN THE GARAGE DOOR. SO, SHE'S PROBABLY BETTER OFF. I AM AGAINST CALLING US A SANCTUARY GUN COUNTY. BECAUSE I THINK SANCTUARY HAS COME UP WITH THE WRONG CONNOTATION ESPECIALLY LATELY IT'S BEEN A VERY DIVISIVE WORD. THE VERY SITUATION THAT COMMISSIONER ROLLINS TALKS ABOUT YOU CAN SEE IN AN IMMIGRATION SANCTUARY CITY LIKE CHICAGO WHERE, YOU KNOW, I.C.E. HAS TO GO IN AND FIND THEIR OWN FUGITIVES BECAUSE THE LOCAL POLICE DEPARTMENT WILL NOT HELP. SO THAT BASICALLY SHOWS THAT THE LOCAL CITY DOESN'T HAVE TO PARTICIPATE IN SOMETHING THAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS LOOKING FOR. SO THAT'S WHERE THE SANCTUARY CAME IN. SO, YOU KNOW, THE BOTTOM LINE IS CERTAINLY IF THERE WAS A REAL ATTEMPT TO RESTRICT THE SECOND AMENDMENT YOU WOULD SEE ME COME IN RAGING LIKE A BULL. BUT, IN THIS CASE, I THINK CALLING OURSELVES A SANCTUARY GUN COUNTY WOULD LEAVE PEOPLE WITH A BAD TASTE IN THEIR MOUTH AND IT WOULD LEAD TO MISUNDERSTANDINGS ABOUT THE REGS LUCIEN AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN'T AFFORD AND SOMETHING I DON'T WANT TO SEE US GET INTO. SO THAT'S WHERE THE THOUGHT CAME -- WELL SOMEBODY EVERYBODY AGREES ABOUT THE SECOND AMENDMENT. EVERYBODY AGREES ABOUT THE CONSTITUTION OF THE STATE OF FLORIDA AND THE U.S. CONSTITUTION. SO, LET'S SUPPORT, PROTECT AND DEFEND THE STATE AND FEDERAL CONSTITUTIONS AND UNEQUIVOCALLY DECLARE OUR SUPPORT FOR THE SECOND AMENDMENT AND THAT'S WHERE THE THOUGHT FOR THE SECOND PROPOSAL COMES IN. SO THAT'S WHERE WE ARE. WE HAVE TWO RESOLUTIONS. ONE REFERRING TO SANCTUARY. ONE NOT. AND THEN WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO -- WHAT I WOULD SAY IS THAT'S THE RIGHT WORDS, WHETHER- CONTINUE, TABLE, SORT OF THE SAME. BUT POSTPONE A DECISION SO EVERYBODY CAN LOOK AT THE RESOLUTIONS AND MAKE UP THEIR OWN MIND UNTIL OUR NEXT MEETING WHICH IS DECEMBER 10TH. SO, I'M OPEN FOR A MOTION OR SUGGESTIONS OR MORE DISCUSSION >> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: AISLE MOVE THAT WE -- >> COMMISSIONER HENDRY: I THINK WE HAD A MOTION DID WE NOT? >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: I THINK IT FAILED. >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: IT DID. >> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: I MOVE THAT WE MOVE THE LANGUAGE IN THE SECOND RESOLUTION THAT WAS PRESENTED BY COMMISSIONER CELLA AND HAS BEEN PASSED AROUND TO THE PUBLIC AND IS HERE FOR THE PUBLIC RECORD. IT'S VERY CLEARLY IN THAT RESOLUTION TALKS ABOUT THE PRINTZ CASE AND THE IDEA OF LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT NOT BEING REQUIRED TO PARTICIPATE IN FEDERAL LAW ENFORCEMENT ACTIVITIES. SO THAT WAS A CRITICAL PIECE FOR ME. SO I MOVE WE APPROVE THAT. >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: I'LL SECOND THE MOTION. >> CHAIRMAN CELLA: FURTHER DISCUSSION? >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: I CAN'T VOTE FOR SOMETHING I HAVEN'T READ. >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: IT'S NOT THAT LONG. WE CAN READ NIGHT THE RECORD. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: I'D LIKE TO BE ABLE TO RESEARCH WHAT THE CASE WAS AND ALL THAT STUFF. >> CHAIRMAN CELLA: ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? WE HAVE A MOTION AND WE HAVE A SECOND ON THE FLOOR. >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: AND YOU WORKED WITH OUR COUNSEL ON THIS RIGHT? >> CHAIRMAN CELLA: YES. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT -- AS WE SHOULD KNOW THAT COURTNEY AND HER TEAM RICTUS THEY GOT THE ORIGINAL RESOLUTION THAT CAME FROM LAKE COUNTY. WE FOUND OUT -- >> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: I DIDN'T CRAFT IT MYSELF. >> CHAIRMAN CELLA: THAT CAME FROM LAKE COUNTY. THEY DIDN'T CRAFT IT EITHER. ACTUALLY THE RESOLUTION CAME FROM PER VIDEO, TEXAS WHICH PASSED TO ANOTHER [02:50:06] COUNTIES THAT HAVE BEEN USING IT. OUR TEAM LOOKED AT ALL THE COURT CASES TO BE SURE THEY WERE QUOTING THE RIGHT FRAMEWORK THAT THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT OR REFERRING TO IN THE RESOLUTION. WE ALSO FOUND SOME GRAMMATICAL MISTAKES AS TO HOW THE RESOLUTION QUOTED THE SECOND AMENDMENT AND WE CHANGED THAT. SO, YOU KNOW, THE BOTTOM LINE IS THAT THIS HAS BEEN VETTED. NOW OBVIOUSLY IT DOESN'T HELP YOU IN TERMS OF UNDERSTANDING BUT -- >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: I GOT IT. >> CHAIRMAN CELLA: THOSE THINGS WEREN'T MADE UP AND JUST THROWN IN THERE. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: IF IT'S GOOD FOR PERSIDO IT MUST BE GOOD FOR CLAY COUNTY. >> CHAIRMAN CELLA: THAT'S WHY WE OPTED TO MAKE CHANGES. THAT'S WHERE ARE. WE HAVE A MOTION TO MOVE THE SECOND -- THE LATEST RESOLUTION AND A SECOND. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION BEFORE I CALL FOR A VOTE? ALL RIGHT. HEARING NONE, ALL IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES 4-1. IF YOU NEED A COPY OF THAT SECOND RESOLUTION IT WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR YOU AT THE FRONT DESK. >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: THAT IS THE ONE THEY PASSED OUT? >> CHAIRMAN CELA: YES. ALL RIGHT. LET'S GO TO AGENDA NUMBER 13. THAT'S THE APPROVAL [13.  Approval of State Road Closing for Hometown Christmas in Keystone Heights Christmas Parade] OF STATE ROAD CLOSING FOR THE HOMETOWN CHRISTMAS IN KEYSTONE HEIGHTS CHRISTMAS PARADE. >> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: MOVE FOR APPROVAL. >> COMMISSIONER HENDRY: SECOND. >> CHAIRMAN CELLA: ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES 5-0. MORE PEOPLES YOU GOT YOUR PARADE. GOOD LUCK TO YOU. ALL RIGHT. WE ARE GOING TO MOVE TO OUR COUNTY MANAGER IN [COUNTY MANAGER/CLERK OF THE BOARD] TERMS OF HIS REPORT. >> MR. CHAIR I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING FOR THE BOARD OTHER THAN THURSDAY JUST A LOT TO BE THANKFUL FOR. AS WE REFLECT ON OUR FAMILY, OUR COUNTRY AND GOD, I AM VERY THANKFUL. AND POSING ANY QUESTIONS BY THE BOARD. >> CHAIRMAN CELLA: ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? OUR COUNTY ATTORNEY? >> JUST A COUPLE OF FOLLOW-UP [COUNTY ATTORNEY] ITEMS. IN CONNECTION WITH SOLITE I ADVISED EACH OF YOU OF THE MEETING THAT WILL BE HELD WITH THE STATE AND THE PROPERTY HOLDERS ON DECEMBER 5TH AT 10:00. I HEARD FROM TWO OF YOU THAT YOU WERE NOT ABLE TO ATTEND. SO, WITHOUT HEARING FROM ANYBODY WE WON'T HAVE REPRESENTATION AT THAT MEETING UNLESS YOU WANT SOMETHING ELSE DONE. SPECIFICALLY, IT WILL BE DISCUSSED. THE STATE IS ENTERTAINING THE IDEA OF ALLOWING FOR PORTIONS THAT WILL BE DESIGNATED TO HAVE COMMERCIAL USE ONLY AND BE TAKEN OUT OF THE RESIDENTIAL PART. >> COMMISSIONER HENDRY: IN TALLAHASSEE? >> IT IS IN TALLAHASSEE. >> CHAIRMAN CELLA: NOW, I THINK YOU INDICATED LAST TIME THAT YOU POSSIBLY COULD PARTICIPATE BY PHONE? >> I CAN DEFINITELY INQUIRE. IF ANYONE'S INTERESTED. >> COMMISSIONER HENDRY: LET ME KNOW, PLEASE. >> SURE. >> CHAIRMAN CELLA: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT? >> ON BEHALF OF THE SUPERVISOR OF ELECTIONS JUST A COUPLE THINGS THAT NEED TO BE DONE FOR THE DECEMBER 10TH BOARD MEETING THAT I JUST NEED EVERYONE TO BE THINKING ABOUT. AT THAT TIME ON DECEMBER 10TH WE NEED TO HAVE THE BOARD APPOINT THE CANVASSING BOARD MEMBER AS WELL AS AN ALTERNATE. HE HAS ALSO ADVISED THAT THE DEPARTMENT OF STATE IS GOING TO BE STRICTER FROM CONNECTION WITH THE ATTENDANCE BY THE ALTERNATE. THERE WILL BE CERTAIN ITEMS THAT REQUIRE BOTH THE CANVASSING BOARD MEMBER AS WELL AS THE ALTERNATE TO ATTEND. ALSO, FOR WHOEVER WILL BE CHOSEN FOR THOSE SLOTS FOR US, THERE IS A SIGNATURE RECOGNITION CLASS THAT HE WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO ATTEND. JUDGE COLLINS AND I WENT AND ATTENDED IT IN ORLANDO BUT HE'S HOSTING IT HERE. THAT WILL BE ON JANUARY 8TH. THE CANVASSING BOARD MEMBERS THAT HE NEEDS ARE IN CONNECTION WITH THE MARCH PRESIDENTIAL PRIMARY. SO, SINCE NONE OF YOU WERE ON THAT BALLOT, ANY OF YOU COULD SERVE. IT WILL NOT BE THE SAME CANVASSING BOARD MEMBERS THAT ARE APPOINTED TO SERVE LATER. AND LASTLY OTHER THAN THE SIGNATURE RECOGNITION, HE WILL FIRST NEED YOUR PARTICIPATION ON FEBRUARY 28TH. THE LAST THING I [02:55:03] HAVE IS THAT YOU EACH SHOULD HAVE RECEIVED OUR CABLE TV GOVERNMENT ACCESS PROGRAMMING POLICY THAT WILL BE COMING BEFORE YOU. IT WILL BE AT THE FINANCE COMMITTEE IN DECEMBER THEN COME BEFORE YOU IN DECEMBER. PLEASE TAKE THE TIME TO READ IT. WE WORKED REALLY HARD ON THAT WITH COMMISSIONER CELLA. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS ABOUT WHAT WILL BE ON THE PROGRAMMING, PLEASE LET US KNOW. >> CHAIRMAN CELLA: ACTUALLY TWO THINGS. ONE, THE CHANNEL KICKED OFF YESTERDAY. IF YOU HAVEN'T LOOKED AT IT ON CLAY COUNTY GOV.COM. GO TO OUR TV PAGE AND YOU WILL BE ABLE TO CLICK AND SEE -- RIGHT NOW IT'S STARTING SLOWLY. BUT IT'S GOT GRAPHICS UP THERE. IT'S GOT VIDEOS AND OTHER THINGS. NEWS OF THE COUNTY. EVENTUALLY IT WILL SHOW REPEAT OF THE MEETINGS IN PRIME TIME AND REPEATS OF OTHER MEETINGS AND LIVE MEETINGS. SO, WE'RE VERY EXCITED ABOUT IT. EVENTUALLY IT WILL BE SIMULCAST ON CHANNEL 260 OF COME PAST. IT'S GOING TO -- COMCAST. IT WILL MAKE A BIG DIFFERENCE IN TERMS OF OUR GETTING INFORMATION TO YOU ABOUT WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO HERE AT THE COUNTY. COURTNEY, COULD YOU SEND ALL OF THAT SUPERVISOR ELECTIONS CANVASSING BOARD TO US. BECAUSE BY HE TIME YOU GOT TO THE END I I FORGOT WHAT YOU SAID AT THE BEGINNING TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT DATES WERE YOU TALKING ABOUT [LAUGHTER] IT IS A LOT OF TIME. WHEN YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THE SIGNATURE CLASS. I GOT MY SIGNATURE DOWN. I DON'T HAVE TO WORRY [LAUGHTER] IT'S JUST GOING TO BE STRICTER ENFORCEMENT OR JUST EDUCATING YOU MORE ON DECIPHERING THE SIGNATURES TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERY VOTE COUNTS. >> CHAIRMAN CELLA: AND LASTLY YOU AND YOUR TEAM DESERVE A BIG THANK YOU. I KNOW YOU WORKED HARD ON OBTAINING THEN REVIEWING THE ORIGINAL RESOLUTION, THE FOLLOW UP RESOLUTION OF COURSE. TALKING TO OUR GOOD FRIENDS IN COLLINS, TEXAS TO TRY TO GET INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT THEY'RE DOING THERE AND ELSEWHERE AROUND THE COUNTRY SO THAT WE HAVE THE VERY LATEST, GREATEST AND STEPHANIE OR COURTNEY AND JODI AND FRAN DID A GREAT JOB FOLLOWING THAT UP. SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE THANK YOU FOR THAT. A LOT OF THAT IS UNDER DURESS AND TRYING TO GET THINGS DONE AT THE SAME TIME. SO THANK YOU. ANYTHING ELSE FOR THE COUNTY ATTORNEY? ALL RIGHT. WE MOVE TO LETTERS FOR ACTION WE DID. WE GO TO REORGANIZATION OF THE BCC. [REORGANIZATION OF THE BCC] THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE DO ONCE A YEAR FOR THOSE THAT MAY NOT HAVE BEEN FAMILIAR WITH IT. WE PICK OUR LEADERSHIP FOR THE YEAR. I'VE DONE SOME RESEARCH ON PAST BOARD REORGANIZATION SO WE COULD BE SORT OF UP TO DATE AND MAKE SURE WE'RE HANDLING IT IN THE SAME FASHION AS WE HAVE IN THE PAST. AND WHAT WE'VE DONE TRADITIONALLY IS THAT WE OPENED THE FLOOR NOMINATIONS. IF WE RECEIVE ONLY ONE NOMINATION, THEN I'LL ASK FOR A MOTION AND A SECOND TO CLOSE THOSE NOMINATIONS. AND, OBVIOUSLY, WITH ONLY ONE PERSON BEING DOMINATED BY ACCLIMATION WE WILL HAVE A CHAIRMAN. AND THEN IF WE HAVE MULTIPLE NOMINATIONS WE'LL VOTE ON EACH SEPARATELY BY A ROLL CALL VOTE. WE WILL REPEAT THE SAME PROCESS FOR THE VICE CHAIR. WE'LL OPEN UP NOMINATIONS AND MAKE THE NOMINATION CLOSE THEN DO THAT. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: I'D LIKE TO NOMINATE COMMISSIONER HEN AS CHAIR. >> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: SECOND. >> CHAIRMAN CELLA: I WILL ASK FOR ANYMORE NOMINATIONS. A MOTION TO CLOSE THE NOMINATIONS. >> COMMISSIONER: I MOVE TO CLOSE. >> CHAIRMAN: ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. CONGRATULATIONS COMMISSIONER HENDRY WILL BE THE CHAIRMAN FOR 2019/2020. >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: YOU CAN THANK US LATER. >> CHAIRMAN CELLA: YOU WON'T BE [LAUGHTER] LET'S ROW PETE THE PROCESS FOR VICE CHAIR. >> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: I MOVE WE NOMINATE COMMISSIONER HUTCHINGS FOR VICE CHAIR. >> CHAIRMAN CELLA: DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER NOMINATIONS? DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE -- >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: SO MOVED. >> CHAIRMAN CELLA: DO WE HAVE A SECOND. >> COMMISSIONER HENDRY: SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. MOTION CARRIES. SO, COMMISSIONER HUTCHINGS WILL BE THE VICE CHAIR. SO, WE'VE GOT DOUBLE H'S. HENDRY AND HUTCHINGS LEADING US INTO 2020. AS IS TRADITIONAL, THE CURRENT CAREMAN, MYSELF, WILL FINISH OUT THIS MEETING. THE NEW CHAIR WILL TAKE OVER AT OUR DECEMBER 10TH MEETING. >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: ONE POINT TO ADD TO THAT. I DON'T KNOW IF IT NEEDS TO BE BY A MOTION BUT IT NEEDS TO BE INCLUDED IN THE MINUTES THAT THE CURRENT CHAIR WHO IS THE SIGNATORY FOR THE BANKS WILL BE ABLE TO CONTINUE AS THE SIGNATORY UNTIL THE BANK PROCESSES THE NEW SIGNATORES. >> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: SO MOVED AS STATE BID THE COUNTY ATTORNEY. >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: SECOND. >> CHAIRMAN CELLA: I'M NOT OUT YET AND I'VE ALREADY LOST CONTROL [03:00:02] [LAUGHTER] >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: THESE THINGS HAPPEN. >> CHAIRMAN CELLA: WE HAVE A MOTION TO PREVENT ME -- PERMIT TO CONTINUE TO SIGN. PLEASE SAY AYE. OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES. >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: GOT TO PAY THOSE PAYCHECKS. >> CHAIRMAN CELLA: LET'S MOVE TO -- I THINK WE'VE TAKEN CARE OF THAT. LET'S MOVE TO PUBLIC [PUBLIC COMMENTS] COMMENTS. MR. AUTO, YOU HAVE THE ONLY CARD IN RIGHT NOW. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: SEX TOYS OF CLAY COUNTY FLORIDA. SINCE 2013. FIRST COMES OUR FREEDOM OF SPEECH. IT'S -- AND THERE'S TOO MUCH ON THE CONSENT AGENDA THAT'S NOT BEING VERY TRANSPARENT I'D LIKE TO SEE MORE OF THAT IN THE MEETING, MR. HENDRY. TOO MUCH ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. RELIGION AND OUR RIGHTS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE SEPARATED AND THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN HERE IN CLAY COUNTY. MOST OF THE PREACHERS DON'T EVEN SHOW UP FOR THE ADULT ENTERTAINMENT. BECAUSE IF THEY DIDN'T HAVE THEIR FREEDOM OF SPEECH THEY COULDN'T SPEECH THE WAY THEY WANT TO. MR. BOLLA IS ASKED MANY TIMES FOR PAPERWORK. AGAIN EVE HERE WE ARE EVEN WORSE TODAY. THE CHAIRS ARE PREJUDICE. MR. ROLLINS, MR. CELLA, KICK CITIZENS OUT OF PUBLIC MEETINGS. I DID NOTHING OTHERS DID NOT DO LIKE TODAY AND THEY WERE MUCH LOUDER AND LONGER AND JUST KEPT ON AND WERE NOT SHUT DOWN BY THE CHAIR. THEY WERE NOT KICKED OUT OF THE MEETING. RESOLUTION WAS A WASTE OF TIME. JUST TO DO SOMETHING. I WAS THINKING ABOUT POPPER-SCOOPER ACTUALLY AT THE TIME. MAYBE GETTING A POPPER-SCOOPER FOR SOMEBODY UP THERE. BUT YOU KNOW WHAT IS THAT JUST TO PUSH SOMETHING SO HE CAN HAVE SOMETHING WHEN HE GOES TO TALLAHASSEE TO RUN OR SOMETHING? I MEAN, IT SEEMED LIKE A BIG WASTE OF TIME AND JUST A BUNCH OF B. S. REALLY. I WOULD HAVE RATHER HEARD SOMETHING ABOUT THE TOXIC DUMPING ON OUR AQUIFERS AND THE EASY BASE. THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN MUCH BETTER. AND THE FERRY. WE DON'T NEED -- FAIR. WE DON'T NEED $100,000. IT NEEDS TO BE REALLOCATED. I TALKED TO TALLAHASSEE AND THEY SAID IT CAN BE REALLOCATED. WE DO NOT HAVE TO SPEND IT ON THE FAIRGROUNDS. WE DON'T NEED AN ANIMAL SHELTER BUT WE DO NEED A HUMAN SHELTER. TWO PLUS MILLION DOLLARS FOR PIT BULLS BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE ROOM IN AN ANIMAL SHELTER. SO WHAT IT FLOODS. CLEAN IT OUT. IT'S AN ANIMAL SHELTER. GUNS DOWN GLOVES UP. THAT WAS A BAD DECISION IN JACKSONVILLE. IT DIDN'T STOP THE SHOOTING ALL IT DID WAS HAVE MORE FIGHTS IN OUR SCHOOLS. A VERY BAD DECISION. SO, LET'S THINK BETTER ON THINGS THAT WE NEED TO DO. THE SHELTERS ARE TOO CLOSE IN LAKE ASBURY AND FLEMING ISLAND. WHY ARE WE SPENDING ALL THIS MONEY ON SPECIAL SHELTERS FOR THESE TWO AREAS THAT DIDN'T PAY ON THAT DIDN'T HAVE THE PROPER INFRASTRUCTURE. >> CHAIRMAN CELLA: THAT'S TIME MR. AUTO. THANK YOU. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: MIDDLEBURG HIGH SCHOOL WOULD BE A BETTER AREA FOR THE SPECIAL NEEDS. IT'S MORE CENTRALLY LOCATED. >> CHAIRMAN CELLA: I UNDERSTAND DO WE HAVE SOMEBODY ELSE WITH A CARD? >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: I UNDERSTAND YOU DIDN'T CUT EVERYBODY ELSE OFF LIKE THAT. >> CHAIRMAN CELLA: I DID. SEVERAL TIMES. MR. ELROD. ASK MR. ELROD. I CUT HIM OFF AND HE WAS ON A ROLL. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: GOOD AFTERNOON. I GOT MY CARD I'LL TURN IT IN REAL QUICK. MICHAEL ROGERS 3334 SHUNNEDER ROAD MIDDLEBURG, FLORIDA. I'M TIRED. I'M HUNGRY. I'VE BEEN WALKING AROUND IN THE PIG PEN FOR THE LAST THREE HOURS GETTING A PIG FOR THE COUNTY FAIR BUT I'M TICKLED PINK. I DID HEAR SOMETHING ON THE FACEBOOK LIVE THING CHECKING IT OUT. AND I MISSED THE TIME TO TALK. WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT BORROW PITS. I'M GOING TO BACK UP BECAUSE I KNOW TIME IS GOING TO GO BY. I'LL HAVE TO COME BACK NEXT MONTH. I LIVE ON THUNDER ROAD. HALF THE ROAD IS PAVED. SO I WENT OVER TO THE ROAD GUYS AND SAID I NEED TO FIND OUT WHY THE OTHER HALF DROPPED OFF. WE PAVED HALF OF IT. IT'S GETLE UTILIZED BY HALF THE DUMP TRUCKS WITH AN ACTIVE BORROW PIT THAT IS BEEN GOING FOR 15 YEARS THAT THE COUNTY IS GOING TO HAVE TO [03:05:01] COME BACK AND PAVE. I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT'S GOING TO BUT WE NEED TO FIND OUT ONE SIDE OF THE ROAD WAS PRIORITY ONE TO WHERE IS THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ROAD AND IT'S IN WORSE SHAPE THEM THE OTHER SIDE WAS. THE BORROW PITS WHEN THEY SAY THAT THING IS GOING TO BE GONE, THE EXPANSION IS SUPPOSED TO BE DONE IN 2022 RIGHT. SO, WELL, '5. I'M NOT HERE TO BASH THEM. IF THEY MAKE MONEY, THEY AIN'T DOING IT FOR US. BUT JUST THE THING THAT STUFF IS STAYING LOCAL AND NOT GOING TO IMPACT TO THE CITIZENS. I KNOW FOR A FACT IT WILL. I DRIVE DOWN THE ROAD WHERE DUMP TRUCKS ALL DAY LONG. I GOT DUMP TRUCK FRIENDS. IT IS WHAT IT IS BUT I THINK THERE'S A BETTER WAY TO MANAGE IT. I'M SORRY BUT I'M NOT A DUMP TRUCK MASTER. SECOND THING, LAKE ASBURY MASTER PLAN. WHO WAS THE PRESIDENT IN 2004? >> CHAIRMAN CELLA: GEORGE PUSH. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: THAT'S WHEN THAT PLAN CAME ABOUT. I THINK IT'S ONLY BEEN REVISED TWICE. MOST RECENTLY EVERY TIME IT'S EEN REVISED BASED UPON MY KNOWLEDGE IT'S BEEN REVISED AND SHORTLY AFTER SOMEBODY COMES TO THE BCC TO ASK FOR SOMETHING DIFFERENT GUY ON TO THE -- GOING ON TO THE MASTER PLAN. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S THE PLANNING COMMISSION OR I LOOK FOR GUIDANCE OR RECOMMENDATION BUT I THINK THE MASTER PLAN I DON'T I WANT TO CALL IT A MASTER FAIL. I THINK THAT PLAN NEEDS TO BE RE-LOOKED AT. I'M NOT BEATING UP THE NEIGHBORHOODS AND ALL THE RESIDENTS THAT CAME IN AND MOVED. PROBABLY IF THERE'S A WINN-DIXIE ACROSS THE ROAD THERE'S PEOPLE COMING IN BEHIND IT. I HEAR A LOT OF PEOPLE COME IN, THE INFRASTRUCTURE THE ROADS AND EVERYTHING THAT WE ALREADY KNOW ABOUT. BUT I THINK THE MASTER PLAN REALLY NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT TO BENEFIT YOU KNOW. BUT THE BORROW PIT STUFF, THAT STUFF IS GONE. THEM DUMP TRUCKS -- IT'S CRAZY. BUT THEY'LL BE DIGGING LONGER THAN WE THINK. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >> CHAIRMAN CELLA: YOU TOO. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: MR. HENDRY LUCK TO YOU AS THE PRESIDENTE. >> CHAIRMAN CELLA: WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENTS AND BRING IT [COMMISSIONERS' COMMENTS] TO COMMISSIONER COMMENTS. >> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE AS CHAIR. YOU DID GREAT JOB. A LOT OF TOUGH AND LONG MEETINGS WHETHER IT WAS STORM WATER AND KEEPING TRACK OF ALL THE CARDS. YOU DID A GREAT JOB AND COMMISSIONER HENDRY LOOKING FORWARD TO YOUR LEADERSHIP. >> COMMISSIONER HENDRY: I'M NOT SURE I CAN LIVE UP TO MIKE'S SHOES BUT I'LL GIVE IT A SHOT. THE CONSUMMATE PROFESSIONAL DID AN OUTSTANDING JOB. ONLY THING ELSE I'VE GOT TO SAY IS GOD SAVE THE REPUBLIC. >> CHAIRMAN CELLA: COMMISSIONER BOLLA? >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: YOU DID A GREAT JOB. JOE THINK COMMISSIONER HENDRY IS GOING TO LIVE UP TO WHAT YOU DID BUT I THINK HE'S GOING TO DO IT HIS OWN WAY [LAUGHTER] >> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: HE ALWAYS DOES. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA: I'D LIKE TO WISH EVERYBODY A HAPPY THANKSGIVING AND JUST REMEMBER YOU ARE WHAT YOU EAT. >> CHAIRMAN CELLA: I'LL CONTEMPLATE THAT. >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO EVERYONE TONIGHT FOR A MEETING THAT WAS CONTENTIOUS BUT YET RESPECTFUL. AND I THINK IT SHOWS THE STRENGTH OF THIS BOARD THAT EVEN WHEN WE MAY NOT AGREE ON EVERY POINT WE CAN COME TO A POINT WHERE THE MAJORITY CAN MOVE FORWARD AND NOT CAUSE ANY DAMAGE ALONG THE WAY. SO IT'S AN HONOR AND A PRIVILEGE TO GET TO SERVE WITH YOU GENTLEMEN. AND, MIKE, HATS OFF. YOU DID AN OUTSTANDING JOB THIS LAST YEAR. YOU REALLY DID. >> CHAIRMAN CELLA: THANKS. >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: ONE THING ABOUT BEING ON THE COMMISSION WHEN YOU HAVE A GOOD AT EASE THE MEETING IS GOING TO BE RUN WELL AND NOT GET OUT OF APPRECIATE IT. NK YOU. WE - >> COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: SOMETIMES ASLEEP OVER HERE [LAUGHTER] >> COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: BUT I HAVE TO SAY, I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO COMMISSIONER HENDRY. HE'LL SAUCE IT UP. HE'LL THROW IN SOME SPICE HERE AND THERE WITH HISTORY AND WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT TOO [LAUGHTER] >> CHAIRMAN CELLA: LET ME JUST SAY FIRST I APPRECIATE THE YEAR BEING CHAIRMAN. IT WAS A PRIVILEGE TO LEAD THIS GROUP THROUGH THE MANY TRIALS AND TRIBULATIONS THAT WE DID ENJOY THIS PAST YEAR. AND, BELIEVE IT OR NOT,, I REALLY DID ENJOY IT. I GOT TO MEET SOME MANY OF OUR GREAT RESIDENTS OUT THERE AND DIFFERENT EVENTS AND OUR TAXPAYERS IN PERFORMING THE DUTIES OF A CHAIRMAN. IT IS AS ANYBODY THAT'S ALREADY DONE -- AND ALL OF US HAVE DONE IT EXCEPT COMMISSIONER HENDRY. SO IT'S LIKE WHEN YOU JUMP IN THE POOL AND THE WATER'S FREEZING BUT YOU TELL EVERYBODY ELSE COME IN THE WATER'S FINE. THE WATER'S FINE. YOU ARE GOING TO LOVE IT [LAUGHTER] LOOKING BACK. INTERESTING YEAR. WE SURVIVED THE ORDEAL OF [03:10:01] FINDING A NEW COUNTY MANAGER AND HE SITS WITH US NOW DOING A GREAT JOB. HOWARD WANNAMAKER. OF COURSE, THAT CAME WITH THE HELP OF ACTING MANAGER CHIEF PROJECT MANAGER MOCK. I'M NOT SURE WHAT WE'RE GOING CALL HIM. HE'S GOT ALL THOSE THINGS. AND, OF COURSE, THE REST OF THE STAFF TERRIFIC JOB. WE PERSEVERED AND WON A COURT CASE THANKS TO OUR LEGAL TEAM. THAT'S WHEN THE SCHOOL BOARD FILED A LAWSUIT AGAINST US OVER THE SALES TAX ISSUE. WE WORKED OUR WAY THROUGH ONE OF THE MORE CON TEN, AND MEMORABLE MEETINGS DISCUSSING STORM WATER FEES. MORE IMPORTANTLY WE CONDUCTED BUSINESS FOR THE COUNTY EVERY TWO WEEKS. GOOD, BAD, RAIN OR SHINE. WE'VE GOT A BALANCED BUDGET WHICH IS PRETTY CLOSE TO BEING BALANCED WHICH WAS PUT TOGETHER WITH THE HELP OF OUR NEW COUNTY MANAGER. HE'S GETTING THERE. IT'S CLOSE. WE'RE SHARPENING THE PENCIL AND HE'S DOING A GOOD JOB MAKING SURE THAT WE ARE ON THE RIGHT TRACK. WE DID THAT BY THE WAY WITH A BRAND-NEW COUNTY MANAGER, BRAND-NEW BUDGET DIRECTOR, BRAND-NEW FINANCE DIRECTOR. AND THEY ALL SHOULD BE CREDITED WITH A GREAT JOB. AND, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT NEW POLICIES THAT HELP US IN TERMS OF MEETING RULES. QUITE A YEAR. I WANT TO THANK THE STAFF. THEY'RE ALL SITTING THERE. THEY ALWAYS CONVENIENTLY FIND SOME SPOT OUT OF CAMERA RANGE WHICH I UNDERSTAND. SOMETIMES I'D LIKE TO BE OUT OF CAMERA RANGE MYSELF. BUT THANKS FOR YOUR WORK AND YOUR PATIENCE IN DEALING WITH ME. YOU'VE BEEN A DELIGHT AND I APPRECIATE THE SUPPORT. OF COURSE, TO MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS, I HOPE THAT EVERYONE FELT THEY WERE GIVEN THEIR VOICE DURING THE MEETINGS DURING THE YEAR. AND I THANK YOU FOR YOUR HELP AND YOUR COOPERATION. IT WAS TRULY AN HONOR LEADING THIS BOARD TO THE END HERE THIS YEAR. SO, THANKS AGAIN. I WISH EVERYBODY A HAPPY THANKSGIVING. I WISH ALL OF YOU HAPPY AND SAFE HOLIDAY TRAVELS, IF YOU ARE HEADED OUT OF TOWN. AND IF THERE'S NOTHING ELSE, THEN * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.