[Call to Order] [00:00:06] >> THIS IS THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD MEETING FOR MARCH 5, 2026. I WOULD LIKE TO CALL IT TO ORDER. FIRST BUSINESS IS THE APPROVAL [Approval of Minutes] OF MINUTES. HAS EVERYBODY HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THE MINUTES FROM LAST MONTH? >> I DID BUT THEN I OVERLOOKED AN E-MAIL WHERE SHE WAS ASKING ME A QUESTION ABOUT THE BARTHER HOUSE, IT WAS NOT ON THE MINUTES BUT SHE ASKED ME IF I MENTIONED THE BARTHEL HOUSE SO I ARE REPLIED BACK. >> SO, HAD YOU MENTIONED THE BARTHEL HOUSE, MAYBE IT WAS THE SPELLING SHE WAS CONCERNED WITH. >> YES. >> CHRISTINE IS WATCHING. >> I DID NOT CATCH HER E-MAIL IN TIME, I REPLIED TO HER THE OTHER DAY AND TOLD HER WHAT IT WAS, SHE WAS ASKING ABOUT WHAT IT WAS AND I SAID THE BARTHLOW HOUSE. >> WAS THAT REFLECTED IN THE MINUTES? >> I DON'T BELIEVE SO. >> YOU DON'T BELIEVE SO. >> A LITTLE BIRD IS TELLING ME RIGHT NOW THAT SHE FIXED THE SPELLING ALREADY. >> OKAY. >> THEN THE MINUTES SHOULD BE AS NEEDED I GUESS. >> OKAY. >> UNLESS YOU HAVE OTHER CHANGES? >> NO, EVERYTHING IS GOOD >> . >> COULD WE HAVE A VOTE TO APRAO*U THE MINUTES. >> I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO THE APPROVE THE MINUTES. >> A MOTION TO APPROVE. >> SECOND. >> APPROVAL OF MINUTES ARE APPROVED. ER >> ALL IN FAVOR? >> AYE. >> >> THE MINUTES ARE APPROVED. WE'LL MOVER TON PUBLIC COMMENT, AISLE OPEN THE FLOOR. >> NO ONE'S HERE? >> NO ONE'S HERE. WE'LL MOVER ON TO OLD BUSINESS, [Old Business] FIRST IS CEMETERY UPDATE. >> OKAY, LET'S SEE WHAT WE HAVE HERE. SO, AS FAR AS [INAUDILE] CEMETERY, WE HAD A YOUTH GROUP FROM MIDDLEBURG BAPTIST THAT CAME OUT ON FEBRUARY 21 AND DID THE CLEANUP AND PUT THE DEBRIS UP IN TRAILERS THAT WAS COORDINATED BY JASON WITH KEEP CLAY BEAUTIFUL. ANOTHER CLEANUP IS SCHEDULED FOR APRIL 18, WE WENT OUT WITH [INAUDIBLE] TO IDENTIFY SOME OF THE UNMARKED GRAVES WHICH WAS KIND OF COOL AND THE VA HAS APPROVED A VETERAN MARKER FOR JAMES CORNELIUS WEST WHO FOUGHT IN THE CIVIL WAR AND THE MARKER WILL BE INSTALLED ON MARCH 20. WE'RE ALSO WORKING AT MCKEND RI HAM HOC, SOME STONE REPAIR AND IS CLEANING WERE DONE BUT WE STILL HAVE MORE TO DO THERE, WE'RE GOING RETURN EITHER ON 15TH OR THE 22ND TO DO SOME MORE WORK, WE'RE STILL RESEARCHING THE HISTORY OF THE SITE AND THOSE BURRED THERE. STEVE AND ATTENDED THE CEMETERY CONSERVATION WORKSHOP WHICH WAS IN SAN SEBASTIAN CEMETERY IN ST. AUGUSTINE, IT WAS SOMETHING SPAN PUT ON TO HELP US LEARN MORE ABOUT STONE RESTORATION AND WE LEARNED ALL KINDS OF TECHNIQUES TO PRESERVE THE HISTORY AND REPAIR THE STONES. IN OLD HICKORY GROVE, THE REVOLUTIONARY WAR MARKER FOR LEWIS WILFORD IS GONE. IT WAS INSTALLED IN 1999 BY THE JACKSONVILLE DIOGAR FOLKS, I TALKED WITH THE >> MS. ARANDA: KAO*IFRS AND SHE SAID IT'S BEEN GONE FOR MORE THAN TEN YEARS. >> THIS IS THE REVOLUTIONARY WAR SOLDIER -- >> YEAH >> >> I SAW HIM LIKE A MONTH AGO, HE'S THERE'S STILL THERE. >> RIGHT, BUT THE BRASS MARKER IS GONE. >> OKAY, SORRY. >> SO, THE BRASS MARKER, THE DAR PUT IN IS NOT THERE ANYMORE. AND SO I REACHED OUT TO SOMEBODY I KNEW WITH THE LOCAL DAR AND ASKED THEM IF THEY WOULD BE INTERESTED IN REPLACING THE MARKER FOR HIM BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THAT'S A HISTORIC MARKER FOR SOMEBODY THAT WAS IN THE REVOLUTIONARY WAR, SO, SHE'S GOING REACH OUT TO HER REGENT TO SEE IF THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT THEY [00:05:03] COULD REPLACE BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S AN IMPORTANT PART OF HISTORY. SO, RIVERS OR OAK RIDGE CEMETERY, THAT ELEMENTARY SCHOOL WAS BUILT IN PROBABLY THE MID 50'S, I'VE UNCOVERING RECORDS FOR AT LEAST FOUR BURIALS THAT WERE THERE THAT WERE RELOCATED TO OTHER CEMETERIES AND THREE IN THICKER GROVE THICKER -- FLICKER GROVER AND ONE IN FLAGLER, THAT'S ALL I'VE BEEN ABLE TO FIND. FIRST WE HAD THE FPN QUIP CONFERENCE ON 26TH AND 27TH IN MCER OTASOLA FLORIDA, WE PRESENTED THAT CONFERENCE, STEVE PRESENTED THE RESTORATION OF THE CEMETERY AND I PRESENTED ABOUT AWE THE HISTORIC CEMETERIES IN CLAY COUNTY AND EVERYTHING THAT'S BEEN DONE WITH REGARDS TO RESEARCH. MY GOALS FOR MARCH IS TO FOLLOW UP WITH MRS. PEEBLES ON THE CEMETERY OR SPRING BREAK ROAD AND CREATE A CEMETERY DATA SHEET. SO, ELIZABETH SPENCER WROTE THE BOOK IN 1973, SHE WENT ALL AROUND CLAY COUNTY AND SHE WAS THE HEAD OF THE CEMETERY COMMITTEE WITH THE PRESERVATION BOARD YEARS AGO AND SHE DID HER THING AND THEN THERE WAS A GENTLEMAN THAT DID IT IN THE 90'S, ADDED ON TO THINGS BUT THEY'RE NOT COMPLETE AND NOT REALLY DETAILED SO MY GOAL IS TO CREATE A NEW DATA SHEET THAT INCLUDES THINGS LIKE THE DEED RECORDS AND THE OWNERSHIP AND A LOT MORE DETAIL THAN WHAT'S ON THERE TODAY. AND SO THAT WAY IT WILL BE STORED WITH THE ARCHIVES, SO I WOULD LIKE TO START DOING THAT SOMETIME THIS MONTH. >> THE CONFERENCES, IT'S BEEN A LAST BUSY COUPLE OF WEEKS WITH THE TRAIN ADVISING CONFERENCE, TH UPDATES ON PLEASANT POINT WEBSINGER HAVE FPAN COMING UP TOMORROW, THEY'RE GOING TO START THE OFFICIAL MAPPING OF THE CEMETERY, THEY DECIDED THAT THEY DO WANT TO GO AHEAD AND MAP THE ENTIRE CEMETERY AND DO RADAR ACROSS THE THING, THE ENTIRE GROUNDS WHICH I THOUGHT TEY WOULD WANT TO DO BUT EMILY AND WHAT'S HER LAST NAME, IT WILL COME TO ME, BUT THE LEAD ARCHAEOLOGIST WAS KIND OF PLAYING IT BY EAR, HOW *F NOW SHE'S EMBRACED THE PROJECT, TOMORROW WE'LL START WITH THE OFFICIAL MAPPING AND SHE'D TLIEK GET THE WHOLE THING DONE, SO VERY EXCITED ABOUT THAT. I THINK THAT'S IT. >> WE'VE ALSO GONE OVER -- HERE'S A CREEPY PART, WE'VE GONE OVER PLEASANT POINT AND I HAVE DONE IT AT BOTH MCHEND RI AND SAUDER AND DONE THE DIVINING RODS TO GO TO*EFR TRY AND UNCOVER WHERE THERE'S UNMARKED BURIALS. THE GPR WILL FIND DISTURBANCES IN THE GROUND WHERE THERE'S -- BECAUSE THE GROUND PACKS OVER TIME, BUT IT DOESN'T SHOW CLEAR BURIALS, SO WE'VE USED THE DIVINING RODS IN SEVERAL PLACE TOS TRY TO UNCOVER UNMARKED BURIALS AND WE'VE UNCOVERED QUITE A FEW, BOTH AT MRESZ SANT POINT AND I WAS OUT AT SAUDER AND I FOUND SEVERAL OUT AT SAUDER WHERE SHE HAD GONE OVER WITH GPR, SO WE'RE FINDING MORE AND MORE BURIALS IN THE CEMETERIES. >> SO, STEVE, DOES THIS ARCHAEOLOGY PERSON INDICATE THAT SHE'D BE WILLING TO DO SOME OTHER INVESTIGATIONS IF ASKED ON THIS SIDE OF THE RIVER? >> SHE'S PART OF THE FLORIDA PUBLIC ARCHAEOLOGY NETWORK, SO YEAH, DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING -- >> YEAH, THE CATHOLIC CEMETERY IN MIDDLEBURG, IT WAS A VERY OLD ONE, IT WAS CREATED OR DONATED BY BENJAMIN FRISBEE. ER >> NOW PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHT. I'M SAYING WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY DFRJT OF COURSE, BUT THAT'S NOT A REASON TO IGNORE IT. >> NO, I AGREE. >> GOOD. >> SO, WE CAN CERTAINLY TALK TO EM LEE *FLY JANE AND SEE.IF PAM WOULD BE ABLE TO BE WILLING TO DO ANYTHING WITH THAT AS WELL. TLAFRJT'S HER NAME, EMILY JONES? [00:10:01] >> YEAH THA,'S -- >> THEY'LL BE HAVING AN EVENT THIS COMING WEEK, I'M GOING OVER THERE FOR THAT SO THAT'S GOOD. >> YOU SEND ME THE OFFICIAL NAME OF THE SEMITRAIR AND PERHAPS ADDRESS ASK COORDINATES. >> I HAVE ALL THAT. >> WOULD YOU BE OUT AT THE CEMETERY TOMORROW? >> THE CATHOLICS, YOU KNOW, ON THIS SIDE OF THE RIVER, THE CLERGY WAS SPREAD VERY THIN DURING THE TERRITORIAL PERIOD, SO IT WAS NOT SAID TO BE A PLACE WHERE THERE WAS REGULAR WORSHIP EVERY WEEK AT CERTAIN TIME BUT THE PRIEST WOULD RIDE CIRCUIT AND DO BAPTISMS AND MARRIAGE AND IS SO FORTH. THAT'S WHY FOR EXAMPLE EDNA MCDONALD BECAME A BAPTIST AND NOT A CATHOLIC BECAUSE THE PRIEST DIDN'T MAKE IT THAT DAY IN 1908. ER >> AISLE DEFINITELY MENTION IT TO EMILY. ONE THING I LEARNED AT THE CONFERENCE IS HOW BLESSED WE ARE TO HAVE FPAN DO THE RADAR THEY DID HERE BECAUSE THEY HAD A DISCUSSION PANEL AND THAT WAS JUST MADE UP OF SURVEYORS THAT DO THIS PROFESSIONAL BECAUSE MOST OF OTHER PEOPLE AT THE CONFERENCE WERE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THOUSAND GET CROWN RADAR DOWN AND I UNDERSTOOD WE WERE SELECTED BY FPAN TO GET THIS DONE. >> MAYBE WE'LL FIND A MAYAN TEPLE. ER >> THAT WOULD BE GREAT. >> WHAT DO WE ONCE THEY GET IDENTIFIED, THEY DON'T HAVE HEADSTONES I'M ASSUMING, SO HOW -- >> SO, THE ONE IN MILL BEGGAR-- MILL BERGER HAS BEEN DOWNSWING IT'S NOW ON PRIVATE PROPERTY TLAS HISTORIC SIGN BY THE BLACK CREEK METHODIST CHURCH THAT TALKS ABOUT CATHOLIC CHURCH CEMETERY, IT WASS 100 FEET NORTH OF HERE BUT IT'S BEEN GONE FOR QUITE A LONG TIME. >> NOT FROM THE 1880'S, BECAUSE FRIZZ BAO*E WHO WAS A LONGTIME RESIDENT TOLD ME WHEN HE WAS A YOUNG PERSON, THAT'S WHEN THE TOMBSTONES DISAPPEARED, THEY WERE TAKEN DOWN FROM AN ENTERPRISING PERSON WHO MADE SURE HE COULD MARK IT WITHOUT ANY *F ANY QUESTIONERS BEING ASKED. MAYBE IF WE FOUND OUT WHERE THE TOMBSTONES WENT, PROBABLY INTO THE CREEK. >> PROBABLY. >> IF I COULD, AND LIKE AT PLEASANT POINT, WE'RE NEVER GOING TO IDENTIFY WHERE ANYBODY IS SPECIFICALLY, BUT WHAT WE MIEKTD BE ABLE TO DO IS WHAT I SAW AT OTHER CEMETERY, THEY PUT BRASS OR METAL THINGS UNDER THE GROUND LEVEL WITH A NUMBER ON THEM SO YOU CAN NUMBER EACH GRAVE WHEN YOU MAP IT OUT: I'M HOPING WE CAN HAVE SOMETHING LIKE THAT. AT SOME POINT AT THE ENTRANC OF THE CEMETERY, HAVE A FULL LIST OF EVERYONE THAT WE KNOW -- >> HAVE AN OBELISK. >> AND THAT'S AS CLOSE AS WE'LL GET, I HOPE TO FIND OUT SOME OF THAT STUFF TOMORROW, THAT'S IT FROM ME ON CEMETERIES. ER >> WOULD WE LIKE TO MOVER ON TO THE HISTORIC MARKER PROGRESS. >> SORRY, I SHOULD HAVE PUT MY NAME ON THIS, YOU SAID YOU DIDN'T WANT TO HAVE THIS ON AGENDA NOR MEET, THE ST. MARY'S MARKER, WE HAD THE HEARING BEFORE THE COUNCIL WITH THE STATE, THAT HAS BEEN APPROVED AND THAT IS BEING MOVED INTO PRODUCTION AT THAT TH* POINT THA,'S THE ST. MARY'S EPISCOPAL CHURCH I HAVE RECEIVED AN E-MAIL BACK FROM THE OTHER GROUP THAT SUBMITTED FOR THE MIDDLEBURG COLORED SCHOOL AND I HAVE YET TO GET BACK TO THEM THAT WE'RE HAVING CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THAT, SO HOPEFULLY WE CAN COME TO A RESOLUTION ON THAT ONE. AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE ON THE MARKER UPDATE. >> AS FAR AS ST. MARY'S, WHAT'S THE TIMEFRAME NOW? >> FOUR TO FIVE MONTHS. >> ANYTHING ON THE MIDDLEBURG MUSEUM? >> NO, STILL IN THE WORKS. >> DO WE SET A DATE FOR ST. MARY'S TO BE INSTALLED AND DO WE DO ANYTHING AROUND THAT? >> NOT UNTIL WE RECEIVE IT. AND THEN I HAVE ALSO HEARD THAT THE BRANDON FIELD MARKER, I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT THAT LAST TIME, IT'S BEEN PUT ASIDE FOR NOW FOR INSTALLATION, SO, IF WE HAVE EVENTS COMING, CERTAINLY WE WOULD LET YOU KNOW BECAUSE YOU WERE PART OF THE PROCESS, WE WOULD MAKE SURE YOU COULD BE THERE. >> COULD YOU REPEAT AGAIN THE OTHER GROUP THAT'S INTERESTED IN THE -- I GUESS THEY CALL IT THE COLORED SCHOOL, HISTORICAL MONUMENT BESIDES -- ARE WE ONE GROUP AND THEN DID I HEAR IT WAS A FRATERNITY OR SOMEBODY WANTING TO MEMORIALIZE THIS [00:15:05] THEMSELVES? >> THERE WAS ANOTHER GROUP THAT SUBMITTED ASK THEIR APPLICATION WAS APPROVED AND THE STATE DIDN'T REALIZE WE WERE ALSO SUBMITTING AND SO THERE'S DIFFERENT TEXT THAT IS'S BEEN PROVIDED IN BOTH DIFFERENT MARKERS. >> AND THE NAME OF THIS GROUP, DO WE KNOW IT? >> I DON'T HAVE IT RIGHT HERE, NO. >> HOW DID THEY MANAGE TO JUMP AHEAD OF US WHEN THIS GROUP WAS WORKING ON IT FOR SO LONG? >> WELL, THEY CAUGHT US WHEN WE WERE NOT PAYING ATTENTION, I'LL BE HONEST WITH THAT AND THEY REQUESTED FOR SIXTY FOR PERMISSION TO PUT THE MARKER ON THE SITE AND I WAS NOT THINKING THAT IT WAS NOT MAUREEN'S GROUP THAT SHE WAS WORKING WITH, SO THE FORM WAS SIGNED. NOW THERE'S OTHER ISSUES WITH THE APPLICATION THAT WAS SUBMITTED THAT WE NEED TO RESOLVE, SO BESIDES THAT. >> DIDN'T YOU SAY THEIRS WAS ONE SIDED AND OURS IS TWO SIDED? >> THAT'S CORRECT, YES, SO WE'RE WORKING AND HOPING WE CAN COME TO AN AGREEMENT ON THAT. >> IF IT'S A PRIVATE GROUP, WOULD WE NOT ENCOURAGE PRIVATE GROUPS TO COME UP AND BE PROACTIVE IN SOLVE WAG THEY SEE AS A PROBLEM TO REMEMBER THEIR OWN HISTORY, THEIR OWN PEOPLE? >> ALWAYS, MOST OF THE ISSUES YOU WORK ON ARE BEING PRESENTED TO PRIVATE GROUSES. >> DB GROUPS >> IT'S IMPORTANT THE ACCURATE INFORMATION IS PRESENTED. >> WE WOULD BE WITH IN SUPPORT OF THEM BY PROVIDING ACCURATE INFORMATION. ER >> CORRECT. ER >> THE SCHOLARLY WORK WAS DONE BY MAUREEN AS FAR AS I COULD TELL. SO, YEAH. >> AND I'M NOT SURE THEIR RESEARCH RO KRESS OR HOW THEY DEVELOPED THE TEXT THAT THEY DID. I HAVE NOT SEEN A BIBLIOGRAPHY THAT WAS PROVIDED, SO, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT TO SAY THEY DIDN'T RESEARCH THEIR INFORMATION, YOU KNOW, WE JUST NEED TO WORK TOGETHER TO GET IT RESOLVED. >> I GUESS I'M THINKING LIKE WHEN WE'RE RESEARCHING CATHOLIC CEMETERIES, IF WE HAVE SUDDENLY A CATHOLIC ORGANIZATION WHO'S SAYINGFINGER HEY, THESE ARE OUR CEMETERIES, WE'D LIKE TO BE A PART OF IT AND A LOT OF THE RESEARCH I KNOWER YOU SAID CAME UP NOTHING WAS BECAUSE YOU WERE LOOKING AT CHURCHES BUT JUST ABOUT EVERY CATHOLIC FAMILY WOULD HAVE A BIBLE WITH INFORMATION IN IT AND SO IF THEY KNEW WE WERE LOOKING TO RESTORE AND GET MORE HISTORY ON IT, YOU MAY HAVE PEOPLE COMING JUST OUT OF THE WOODWORKS SAYING, IN MY FAMILY BIBLE, IT SAYS MY FAMILY WAS BURIED HERE AND HERE, AND IT WOULD BE NICE TO GET MORE OF WHAT WE'RE DOING IN THE RESEARCH PART EVEN IF IT WAS A NEWSPAPER ARTICLE, GET THAT, WE'RE STRINGING TO RESEARCH WHERE AND BHO ARE BURIED IN THIS 1800'S CATHOLIC CEMETERY IN MIDDLEBURG, AND SEE WHAT COMES OUT TO US, THAT WOULD BE NICE. ER SOFRJTS, WE HAVE INFORMATION FROM THE ARCH DIOCESE ABOUT THAT CEMETERY, SO WE WOULD DEFER TO THEM AS FAR AS WHAT THE INFORMATION IS ABOUT THE CHURCH. >> WHAT DO THEY HAVE TO SAY ABOUT IT? >> I HAVE THE DOCUMENTS AT HOME, I COULDN'T TELL YOU. >> I WOULD TLIEK MOVER INTO NEW BUSINESS. >> I DON'T HAVE ANY. >> OPEN UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. NO ONE HERE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. [Staff Comments] I WOULD LIKE TO MOVER INTO STAFF COMMENTS. ER >> I HAVE TWO ADDITIONAL THINGS, STEVE, YOU HAD TALKED ABOUT A CERTIFICATE TO RECOGNIZE INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE DOING ACTIVITIES TO PRESERVE HISTORIC FEATURES, WHATEVER, SO, I ASKED IF THAT COULD BE SOMETHING THAT COULD BE DONE AND THE COUNTY MANAGER HAS APPROVED IT SO OUR COMMUNICATIONS TEAM WILL WORK ON DEVELOPING -- >> BECAUSE YOU ASKED ME TO DO A MOCK UP, I STARTED LOOKING AT THAT. >> THEY'LL WORK ON IT AND GET THE COUNTY MANAGER'S APPROVAL AND SO IF YOU COULD HELP ME WITH SOME IDEAS OF THE TYPES OF RECOGNITION THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO DO, -- PEOPLE THAT ARE DOING CLEANUP OR, I DON'T KNOW, JUST TELL ME THE AREAS SO WE COULD LOOK AT SOME APPROPRIATE VERBIAGE O GO ON THE CERTIFICATES, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL. >> I'LL FOLLOW UP WITH A AN E-MAIL THAT'S ALRIGHT. >> I WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW [00:20:02] THAT WAS IN THE WORKS. THEN THE CLG TRAINING, I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF YOU ATTENDED, VERY GOOD, I'M GLAD YOU ATTENDED. ER >> I LEARNED A LOT. >> GOOD, I HAVE ADDED THE SLIDES TO THE FOLDER THAT I'VE PROVIDED THE LINK TO YOU ALL, SO YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO GO IN THERE AND LOOK FOR THE FILE THAT'S THE MOST RECENT DATE WHICH WOULD BE IN THERE. AND THAT'S REALLY ALL I HAVE STAFF COMMENTS. >> WE'D LIKE THE MOVER INTO BOARD MEMBER'S COMMENTS, START [Board Member's Comments] WITH BARBARA? >> WELL, I GUESS HEARING ABOUT AND I'VE ALWAYS BEEN A CATHOLIC MYSELF, I KNOW THAT CATHOLIC CEMETERIES ARE EXTREMELY IMPORTANT AND IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO BE BURIED INSIDE THE CEMETERY. IT'S STRANGE BECAUSE BEFORE WE WERE SAYING WE COULDN'T GET INFORMATION AND NOW I HEAR THAT KATHY HAS MANAGED TO GET SOME INFORMATION. I THINK THAT WOULD BE NICE TO BE SHARED PERHAPS ON THE OUTLOOK PAGE, SOME OF THE SCANS OF IT. I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO SEE TO PUT SMING THINGS OUT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, HEY, LET US KNOW, WE WANT TO PRESERVE HISTORIC SITES. IF YOU THINK YOU HAVE ONE ON YOUR PROPERTY XW*IF US A CALL. I MEAN, SOMEBODY COULD HAVE A FEW ACRES AND HAVE ABOLD SHED THING IN THE BACK AND NOT CARE ABOUT IT BUT KNOW IT'S OLD DO, WE KNOW ABOUT THAT, ESPECIALLY PERTAINING TO RELIGIONS AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S VERY IMPORTANT FOR CATHOLICS TO BE BURIED IN A CATHOLIC CEMETERY AND NOT EVEN CREMATION AND ALL THE HISTORY RECORDS ARE THERE. IF NOT LIKE WE LEARNED BEFORE, NOBODY COULD FIND THEM BUT NOW YOU HAVE, SO THAT'S GREAT BUT I THINK THAT SHOULD BE -- LET'S JUST SAY PUBLISHED OR A WAY FOR US ALL TO ACCESS IT BECAUSE IT SHOULDN'T JUST BE ONLY YOUR RESPONSIBILITY, YOU'RE DOING A WHOLE LOT ON YOUR OWN WHICH IS GRADE BUT IT ALSO DOESN'T REALLY FIT THAT THIS IS A WHOLE GROUP THAT'S KIND OF RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT YOU'RE DOING. THANKS FOR THE GOOD STUFF YOU'RE DOING BECAUSE IT COMES ON ALL OF US HAPPILY. >> THE IDEA THAT WE OUGHT TO SOMEHOW PUT THE WORD OUT THAT WE'RE INTERESTED IN THIS PARTICULAR QUESTION ABOUT THAT PLACE IN MIDDLEBURG IS GOOD BECAUSE WITH THE PASSAGE OF YEARS, VERY OFTEN THE PEOPLE WHO WERE THE ORIGINAL FOUNDERS, THEY'RE NOT THERE ANYMORE BUT THEY MAY BE STILL AROUND AND IF THE WORD GETS OUT, PERHAPS THEY CAN SUPPLY US SOME INFORMATION THAT WOULD HELP US. I WENT ALL THE WAY TO MOBILE, ALABAMA, A YEAR OR TWO AGO WHERE THE CATHOLIC ARCH DIOCESE USED TO HAVE JURISDICTION ON THE WEST SIDE STRANGELY ENOUGH. THEY SAID THEY COULDN'T FIND ANY RECORDS FROM THAT ERA OF THE LATE 19TH CENTURY WHICH IS A FUNNY THING BUT QUITE RIGHT, YOU KNOW, THAT CHRISTIAN CHURCHES, THEY *F THEY'RE THE BACKBONE OF WHAT INFORMATION THAT CAN BE FOUND AND YET THE BECAUSE SIS OF THAT RELIGION IS NOT SO IMPORTANT. ONCE YOU'VE GONE TO THE NEXT WORLD, YOU EITHER DID SOMETHING RIGHT OR DIDN'T AND SO IT'S STRANGE THAT WHAT WOULD BE SUCH A RICH SOURCE OF INFORMATION IS TREATED VERY CASUALLY, NOT JUST BY CATHOLICS BUT *F BY *F BUT BY SO MANY OTHERS. IF THE CHURCH DISSOLVES OR WHATEVER, THEY DON'T SEND IN *F IT TO IN SOME AR KAO*IFR T CIRCUIT RIDER, HIS SPOUSE JUST TOSSES IT. SO, IT'S A CHALLENGE BUT EVERY NOW AND THEN WE FIND SOME REALLY INTERESTING STUFF. >> WOULD YOU LIKE TO GO FOR MORE ON -- ANYTHING, JOE? >> I MIGHT NAENTION I HAD A RECENT CONTACT WITH TOM AND HE'S BEEN SICK, SO HE STILL WANTS TO PURSUE THE FORT NUMBER 11 LOCATION PARTICULARS BUT ONES AGAIN, IT'S BACK THERE, BUT OF COURSE NOBODY'S HOLDING THEIR BREATH EITHER, SO THAT'S GOOD. >> SO, I SAW DEIDRE AT A MEETING AND I GUESS THE PICTURE SHE SENT TO YOU BACK HAS A PICTURE OF HER WITH THE GPS LOCATIONS FOR THE SIGN. >> OKAY. >> SO, -- >> I WILL GO BACK AND LOOK AT THAT. >> OKAY. [00:25:01] >> MELISSA, ANY COMMENT? >> I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR INVITING ME TO THAT TRAINING, I DID LEARN A LOT AND I GUESS ONE OF THE QUESTIONS, WILL THERE BE MORE TRAINING AVAILABLE THROUGHOUT THE YEAR? >> YES. THEY'VE ALMOST BEEN ONCE A MONTH LATELY, LOOK FOR ME TO SEND AN E-MAIL TO SHARE, THEY ASK THAT YOU DON'T SHARE IT TO ANYONE ELSE, IT'S ONLY HISTORIC BOARD MEMBER, I DON'T IMAGINE YOU WOULD, THAT'S WHAT THEY ASK SO I'M LETTING YOU KNOW. >> AND THEN I DO HAVE A QUESTION, SINCE I'M KIND OF NEW HERE, I'M TRYING TO GET MY FEET WET. WHAT I'M TRYING O GATHER, I KNOWER YOU AND KATHY WERE INTO CEMETERY PRESERVATION AND EVERYTHING, IS THERE A SPECIFIC GOAL OR OBJECT TIER THAT THE BOARD HAS COME TOGETHER AND SAID THIS IS WHAT WE WANT TO FOCUS ON FOR THE YEAR OR DO WE AS INDIVIDUALS KIND OF ADOPT OUR OWN PROJECT? I KIND OF NEED A LITTLE DIRECTION BECAUSE I'M KIND OF FLOUNDERING IN SOME OF THIS. THAFRJTS WAS KIND OF MY QUESTION A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO WAS WHAT ARE OUR GOALS AND OBJECT TIERS AS THE PRESERVATION BOARD. SO, OUR BROAD FOCUS IS TO PRESERVE THE HISTORY OF CLAY COUNTY, RIGHT, WHICH IS VERY BROAD. >> YES. >> SO, WE'RE LOOKING AT INDIVIDUAL PROJECTS AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT LOOKING AT INDIVIDUAL PROJECTS TO FOCUS ON THAT PERTAINS TO THAT. >> OKAY. >> SO, YOU KNOW, STEVE AND I DO A LOT OF WORK WITH CEMETERY RESTORATION, BUT FW THERE ARE OTHER PARTS THAT YOU FEEL ARE IMPORTANT TO THE PRESERVATION OF THE COUNTY, THAT'S SOMETHING YOU NEED TO BRING UP AND SAY, HEY, LET'S FOCUS ON THIS OR I WOULD LIKE US TO START A PROJECT ON THIS, IS THAT KIND OF CORRECT? >> I WOULD THINK THAT'S CORRECT, AND ALSO, JERRY, YOU'VE BEEN ON THE BOARD THE LONGEST, MAYBE YOU CAN PROVIDE SOME INSIGHT ON WHAT THE BOARD HAS WORKED ON HISTORICALLY, MY HISTORY HAS BEEN ON THE MARKERS. >> A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE BEEN INTERESTED IN THE IDEAL MISSION WE HAVE OF CREATING ORDINANCES TO PROTECT CERTAIN AREAS OF HISTORIC -- THE PROBLEM IS WE DON'T HAVE A REALLY GOOD WORKING MODEL OF ONE THAT IS NOT ONLY GOOD FOR ITS PURPOSE BUT WILL BE ACCEPTED BY THE CITY LEADER OR THE COUNTY LEADERS IN THIS CASE. FIRST I THOUGHT I WOULD CONSULT WITH WHAT JACKSONVILLE DOES, IT TURNS JACKSONVILLE HAS THREE OR FOUR DIFFERENT ZONE AND IS EACH ONE HAS DIFFERENT STUFF, SO THEN I THOUGHT, IT'S BERT IF I CAN FIND A NEIGHBORING COMMUNITY WITHIN OUR COUNTY THAT IS DOING IT AND THAT LOOKED PRETTY GOOD BECAUSE ORANGE PARK WAS WORKING ON IT BUT THEY NEVER SEEM TO QUITE GET TO THE END OF THEIRS. I DON'T KNOW WHETHER IT'S OPPOSITION WITHIN THE CITY'S BUREAUCRACY OR WHATEVER OR THE PEOPLE WANT TOG GRAPPLE WITH DETAILS THAT STYMIE THEM. THAT'S BEEN GOING ON FOR THREE OR FOUR YEARS, SO I GUESS ANYBODY -- I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN WORKING WITH ANYBODY ELSE WHO MIGHT WANT TO PURSUE IT TO GET AT LEAST SOME SORT OF AN INITIATIVE GOING BECAUSE THAT CLEARLY WAS INTENDED TO BE BY THE RULES THAT WERE CREATED, ONE OF OUR >> MS. FUNG: S. UNTIL WE HAVE ORDINANCES, WE CAN'T REALLY -- EVERY NOW AND THEN, THEY WOULD CITE THE FACT, ARE THERE ANY APPLICATIONS -- WE DON'T KNOW WHAT TO TELL THOSE PEOPLE AND THEY DON'T KNOW TO ASK. SO, YEAH, THAT WOULD BE ONE VERY GOOD THING THAT WOULD HELP TO PRESERVE PHYSICAL THAT ARE NOW BEING BULLDOZED, EVERY YEAR SOMETHING GOES BECAUSE IT'S NOT PROTECTED YET. >> I AGREE WITH THAT AND I THINK PART OF WHY I WAS SAYING LET'S OPEN SOME -- SOMETHING OUT TO THE PUBLIC BECAUSE I ALSO LISTEN -- LISTEN TODAY THE WHOLE PRESENTATION AND I WAS SURPRISED TOWARDS THE END THEY MENTIONED THAT THESE BOARDS CAN GET INJUNCTIONS AGAINST DEVELOPERS WHO ARE WANTING TO DO LIKE THEY DO SOUTH OF GREEN COVE WHERE THEY JUST TEAR EVERYTHING IN THE LAND APART, IF YOU HAD SOMETHING HISTORIC ON THAT, YOU [00:30:01] WOULDN'T KNOW BECAUSE THE NEXT THING YOU KNOW THE BULLDOZERS ARE IN AND THEN THE GROUND CLEARING PEOPLE ARE IN AND IT'S ALL GONE. I MEAN, SO, EITHER WAY F THE PUBLIC KNEW THAT THERE IS A BOARD THAT MIGHT BE ABLE TO GET AN INJUNCTION TO TELL THE DEVELOPER KNOW, WITH HEARD THE FISH THEY FIND, IT'S AN ENDANGERED SPECIES THEY FIND AND STOPS DEVELOPMENT FOR THREE YEARS. I THINK YOU WOULD GET ELECTED IF YOU RAN ON THAT IN GREEN COVE TO STOP SOME OF THIS CRAZY DEVELOPMENT. IF WE WENT OUT AND SAID, HEY, IF YOU THINK THE WHOLE BACK 40 ACRES ARE GOING TO GET DULL BOOZED AND YOU THINK THERE'S SOMETHING HISTORIC THERE, LET US KNOW, WE CAN INVESTIGATE AND DO AN INJUNCTION, AT LEAST THAT WAS MY INTERPRETATION OF KIND OF A WRAP UP AT THE END THAT WE CAN DO MORE THAN BE POLITELY SUNBURNING PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN BURIED FOR YEARS, WHICH I'M NOT STAINING IT'S BAD BUT IT'S A VERY NARROW FOCUS FOR A HUGE BOARD WITH ACTUAL POLITICAL POWER. >> HERE'S A QUESTION, AND MAYBE BETH COULD TAKE UP WITH THE COUNTY ATTORNEYS, IS THERE SOME SORT OF FOR THE COUNTY, SOME SORT OF ACTUAL PROTOCOL FOR DEVELOPERS TO CONSULT A TRAINED ARK -- ARCHAEOLOGIST OR HISTORIAN AS PART OF THEIR PERMISSION TO DO SOME OF THE THINS THEY'RE DOING BECAUSE I CERTAINLY DON'T SEE ANY EVIDENCE OF IT WITH ALL THE STUFF ON EVERY SIDE, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD GO EVERYWHERE. AND YET I THOUGHT THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE SOMETHING THAT HAD TO BE DONE. IT BECAME AN INTERESTING ISSUE IN MIDDLEBURG WHEN THEY WERE GOING TO DESTROY THE REMAINS OF A CEMETERY THERE AND THEY MANAGED TO STOP AT LEAST PART OF THAT DEVELOPMENT ON THE COUNT OF THAT. THAFRNLTS'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE REGISTER HISTORIC CEMETERY WIDTHS THE STATE OF FLORIDA IS TO PROTECT THEM FROM DEVELOPMENT AND YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, IS IT BRANDON'S FARE -- FERRY, THE ONE -- THE DEVELOPMENT, IS THAT THE ONE YOU'RE REFER TOG? METING I'M REFERRING TO ALL KINDS OF STUFF, BUT GARY'S FERRY WAS ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE NORTH PRONG OF THE CREEK, SAMUEL GARY'S HOUSE WAS THERE BUT THEN THE ARMY MOVED CERTAIN ELEMENTS THAT WERE SENSITIVE AND THE ORDINANCE DEPOT WAS DELIBERATELY PUT THERE IN THE COURSE OF THE WAR BECAUSE THE ORDINANCE MAJOR SAID WE CAN'T HAVE ALL THESE SOLDIERS WALKING AROUND WITH THEIR STOGIES, MIGHT BLOW THE THING UP. THE CEMETERIES WERE THERE AS WELL. ER >> THAT WAS REGISTERED WITH THE STATE, WHEN DREAM FINDER'S HOMES CAME IN AND BOUGHT THAT PROPERTY AND THEY WERE GOING TO BUILD OUT THE WHOLE DWOMMENT, THEY HAD ARCHAEOLOGISTS AND EVERYTHING THERE TO MAKE SURE THEY WERE NOT ENCROACHING UPON WHERE THE CEMETERY WAS, SO THERE ARE THINGS IF THEY ARE HISTORIC CEMETERIES OR THEY'RE ARCHAEOLOGICAL SITES THAT ARE REGISTER WITCHED THE STATE OF FLORIDA. YOU KNOW, THAT HELPS WITH -- >> SO YOU, EAR STAINING YOUR UNDERSTANDING IS THAT WITHOUT SUCH A REGISTRATION, A DEVELOPER DOESN'T HAVE TO CONSULT ANYBODY? >> IF IT'S NOT REGISTERED WITH THE STATE, THEY MAY NOT KNOW, THERE'S NOT A RED FLAG THAT COMES UP AND SAYS, OH, WAIT, YOU CAN'T, YOU KNOW, -- YOU KNOW, BUILD THERE. SO, THAT'S WHY EVE BEEN DOING SO MUCH WORK WITH THE CEMETERY PORTION OF IT BUT THERE ALSO ARE OTHER HISTORICAL BUILD ADVISING STUFF THAT ARE INVOLVER WITH THAT AS WELL. AND PATRICIA WITH THE STATE OF FLORIDA, SHE IS WITH THE DIVISION OF HISTORICAL RESOURCES IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA, SHE'S A GREAT PERSON TO TALK WITH AND IF WE KNOW OF ANYTHING, WE CAN REPORT IT TO HER AS WELL. SO, WE'RE CONNECTED WITH HER AS WELL FOR ANY TYPE OF HISTORIC BUILDING OR CEMETERY OR WHATEVER. >> AND SO YOU HAVE A SPREADSHEET IN THAT FILE FOLDER THAT OUR GIS DEPARTMENT CREATED AND WE'VE EDITED DOWN SO YOU CAN SEE THE DATA AND THE YEARS THESE BUILDINGS WERE BUILT. SO, START IF YOU WANTED, YOU [00:35:02] CAN START DOCUMENTING DOING A MASTER SITE FILE FOR A BUILDING IF YOU SEE IT'S FROM THE 1800'S, YOU CAN GO AND SEE IF THERE'S NOT A FOLDER CREATED, YOU CAN CREATE ONE AND PROVIDE WHATEVER RESEARCH YOU CAN FOR THOSE FACILITYIES. YOU'RE SHAKING YOUR HEAD, JERRY, WHAT'S WRONG? >> NO, I WAS JUST THINKING IT'S TOO LATE, BUT MY OWN MOTHER'S FAMILY, YOU KNOW, I HAVE A PREEMPTION CLAIM BY THEM FROM 1843 I THINK, SO I KNOW EXACTLY WHERE THE PARCEL WAS BUT THERE'S NOTHING TO SEE THERE ANYMORE AMONGST OTHER THINGS, IT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO AT LEAST NOTE THEY USED TO BE THERE BUT I DIDN'T WANT TO MAKE THAT A BIG PUBLIC THING BECAUSE IT'S NOT A BIG DEAL FOR ANYBODY BUT ME. >> MY SUGGESTION IS FOR US TO GET A BETTER HANDLE ON OUR ORIGINAL CHARTER, AT LEAST THE ONE WE THAT'S CURRENT, I'M GOING TO TROY *F TRY O DO A BETTER JOB TO BRING THAT TO EVERY MEETING SO WE CAN GO OVER THOSE THINGS WHILE WE DISCUSS. IF SOMETHING POPS UP WITHIN OUR SCOPE, WE CAN AT LEAST ASK QUESTIONS ON IT AND WE ALSO CAN IF HOPEFULLY DIG A LITTLE BIT DEEPER AND I THINK UNDERSTANDING OUR ORIGINAL PART CHARTER IS GOING TO THE HELP US NA*FR GAIT WHAT WE CAN AND CAN'T DO, I HAVE APOLOGIZED BECAUSE I'M NOT AS FAMILIAR WITH IT. >> I THINK TOO IF SOME OF THE DOCUMENTATION, I'M THINKING OF WHAT KATHY FOUND, SEEING HOW WE'RE ALL SHARING THAT TH* DATABASE NOW IN A SEPARATE -- PUT SOME OF THAT OUT FOR THE REST OF US TO SEE, THEN IT'S NOT -- I KNOW GE R-R RY MENTIONED, SOMEBODY'S GOT A DOCUMENT SOMEWHERE, NOW THEY'LL FEELING SICK SO NOBODY CAN GET TO IT, IT'S ON THEIR HOUSE OR IN THEIR COMPUTER SO WE CAN STRT THROWING SOME OF THIS STUFF IN OUR GENERAL OUTLOOK THING, ALTHOUGH -- BECAUSE PERSONALLY, I CAN'T GET OUTLOOK ON MY PHONE. THE WHOLE PROGRAM BECAUSE MY PHONE IS LEVEL 8 OR SOMETHING AND I'M NOT UP, SO IT'S -- I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH YAHOO OR OTHER ONES SO OUTLOOK IS RESTRICTING SOME OF USS BY NOT HAVING -- I KNOW ONCE I WANTED TO PUT SOMETHING ON AND THEY SAID, OH,, WELL YOU CAN GET THE OLD VERSION BECAUSE I HAD -- MY VERSION WASN'T UP TO DATE EVEN THOUGH I TRIED TO BRING IT UP TO DAUT. IT WOULD BE NICE IF IF THERE WAS AN OLD VERSION OF OUTLOOK THAT WE CAN PUT ON THERE. I DON'T KNOW.YOUR IT GUY CAN FIND ONE AND THEN I CAN HAVE IT ON MY PHONE BESIDES MY COMPUTER. >> ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S ON MY LIST TO DO IS TO UPDATE THE HISTORICAL RECORD FOR THE AR RAO*IFRS BECAUSE CLAY COUNTY AR KAO*IFR ISS WHERE A LOT OF THIS INFORMATION IS HELD AND SO THEIR INFORMATION IS KIND OF PIECEMEAL AND SO I'M WORKING WITH VISHY SO WE CAN UPDATE IT AND HAVE IT AVAILABLE FOR EVERYONE. IF YOU WANTED TO LOOK AND SEE ALL THE HISTORICAL CEMETERY INS CLAY COUNTY, IT WOULD BE THERE. IT WOULD HAVE THE DEED RECORDS, SO YOU WOULD KNOW THE HISTORY OF THE LAND AND WHO'S BURIED THERE AND THE FLORIDA MASTER SITE PILE AND ALL THAT STUFF BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THE ARCHIVES DO THE, ARE SUPPOSED TO HOUSE ALL THAT INFORMATION. >> I'M THINKING MORE OF LIKE BETH HAS HAD SOME WHERE THERE'S A LINK, SO A I'LL LINK ON THIS TO GO OVER HERE, WE'RE TALKING CEMETERIES LIKE ALL THE TIME, SO IF THERE'S DATA OUT THERE, SO I HAVE A LINK TO WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. >> THE ARCHIVES? >> YEAH, A LINK TO WHAT YOU WOULD DO THERE, THIS IS OUR MOST RECENT STUFF SO WE CAN LOOK IT UP TOO. >> DO YOU HAVE ACCESS TO THE INTERNET? >> YES. >> OKAY. SO, THESE ARE SAVED VIA SHARE DRIVER, WE'LL HAVE TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHY YOU DON'T HAVE ACCESS. >> THE LINKS WORK ON MY COMPUTER, I'M SAYING THAT OUTLOOK PROGRAM ITSELF THA,'S NOT ALWAYS AVAILABLE TO EVERYBODY DEPENDING ON HOW HOLD THEIR PHONE IS OR HOW OLD THEIR COMPUTER IS. IT'S BRAND NEW APPARENTLY AND ONLY WANTS TO HAVE THE NEW VERSION. HOW LONG HAS OUTLOOK BEEN AROUND? >> 10, 15, 20 YEARS. ER >> SO I SHOULD BE ABLE TO GET AN OLDER VERSION AND DO IT ON MY PHONE, OR I WILL HAVE TO GO ON MY COMPUTER. [00:40:02] >> MAYBE WE'LL PUT YOU IN TOUCH WITH OUR IT DEPARTMENT TO HELP YOU. >> ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. >> IS THAT ALL, RITA? >> YES, THANK YOU. >> KATHY, COMMENTS? >> I'M GOOD. >> I'M GOOD. >> OKAY,, WELL THIS MEETING FOR MARCH 5 HISTORIC PRESERVA * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.