OKAY. IT'S 530. SO WE ARE I'M CALLING THE HISTORICAL PRESERVATION BOARD TO ORDER.
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AND HAS ANYBODY HAS EVERYBODY HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THE MINUTES?[Approval of Minutes]
AND IF SO, IS THERE ANY CORRECTIONS OR CHANGES OR ANYTHING? AND I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR APPROVAL. MOTION TO APPROVE.MOTION TO APPROVE. SECOND. I'LL SECOND THAT. OKAY.
ANYBODY WANT A SECOND? SHAUN. SECOND. OH, GOOD.
I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM NOVEMBER 6TH.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? SO CARRIED. OKAY. PUBLIC COMMENTS. SEEING. THERE'S NOBODY HERE IN THE AUDIENCE.
WE'LL GO AHEAD AND GO ON TO OLD BUSINESS AND HISTORICAL MARKER PROGRESS UPDATES.
[Old Business]
RIGHT NOW, THE ONLY ONE WE GOT IN THE CHUTE IS FORT NUMBER 11.AND I'LL TURN IT OVER TO JERRY FOR THAT ONE. I'VE BEEN TRYING TO GET THE WELL, OF COURSE YOU SEE WHAT LOOKS LIKE THE FINAL DRAFT ITSELF, BUT THE DOCUMENTATION HAS BEEN.
OH, SORRY. OKAY. FORGET WHAT I DIDN'T SAY JUST NOW.
OH, I GOTTA BE CLOSER. YES. THANK YOU. SIR. YES.
THE FINAL DRAFT. AS YOU. I THINK EACH OF YOU HAS A COPY BEFORE YOU.
IT IS, IN MY VIEW SOMETHING OF AN IMPROVEMENT OVER THE LAST COUPLE.
THIS BEING A TWO SIDED SIGN THAT'S BEING ASKED FOR, IT'S IT'S PROBABLY OF SOME INTEREST TO THE PUBLIC THAT THE ARMY, IN SETTING UP THESE LITTLE SQUARES, DID A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF WORK BUILDING UP PATHS, ROADS, BRIDGES, INFRASTRUCTURE, IN FACT, WHICH WAS IN OTHER RESPECTS THE KIND OF THE MAKING OF THE OF THE STATE OR THE TERRITORY IN THE FUTURE, BECAUSE YOU NOW HAD WAYS OF COMMUNICATING ACROSS LARGE STRETCHES OF TERRITORY THAT YOU DIDN'T BEFORE UNLESS YOU WERE AN INDIAN.
SO BUT WE COULD WE COULD RIDE WITH THIS ONE. I THINK THE DIFFICULTY IS TRYING TO RECOVER SOME OF THE INFORMATION THAT WAS ORIGINALLY CITED, WHICH I UNDERSTAND FROM BILLY, IS PROBABLY A WAS A STATE CREATION SOMEWHERE.
SO IF WE CAN FIND THAT, WE CAN ADD THAT TO THE LIST AND ALSO TO REFINE SOME MORE OF THESE NATIONAL ARCHIVE RECORDS, WHICH ARE MOSTLY, MOSTLY ALL NATIONAL ARCHIVE IN ORIGIN.
SO WHEN WE CAN FIND THE, THE CITATION THAT THE STATE USED FOR DESCRIBING THE FORTS OF THIS KIND I GUESS WILL BE ALL THERE. I'VE BEEN HAMPERED FOR SEVERAL MONTHS BY CRIPPLING OF MY PARTICULAR PERSONAL COMPUTER.
I'VE HAD TECHNICIANS OVER TO TRY TO MAKE IT MAKE IT WORK AGAIN.
AND THEY SAY, WELL, YOU KNOW, THIS OUGHT TO DO IT.
AND THEN THEY GO AWAY AND IT'S CRIPPLED AGAIN AS SOON AS THEY LEAVE.
SO I'M TRYING TO GET THAT DONE. I MAY HAVE TO TRY TO USE CELL PHONE AS THE BASE OF MY RECORD KEEPING, BUT THAT'S PRETTY UNSATISFACTORY. SO DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY COMMENT ON THE THE WORDING OF THE OF THE THIS MOST RECENT TEXT? I'D HAVE TO READ THROUGH IT FIRST.
I DON'T. EVERYBODY SEES ONE. I THINK BETH PASSED THEM AROUND.
THAT'S I READ THROUGH IT. IT IT READS PRETTY WELL.
OKAY. ANYBODY HAVE ANY CRITIQUE OR POSITIVE SUGGESTIONS TO ADD OR.
IT'S WHEN WE WENT UP, KEVIN HOOPER AND I WENT UP TO NATIONAL ARCHIVES A COUPLE OF TIMES, ACTUALLY,
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TO LAY IN MORE DETAIL IF WE COULD FIND IT. AND WE FOUND A LOT.BUT THE MORE WE FOUND KIND OF UNDERMINED THE ORIGINAL NARRATIVE THAT, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE HAD THOUGHT ABOUT WITH FORT NUMBER 11, NAMELY, THAT IT WAS SO SALUBRIOUS. AND IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN, I GUESS, BUT PEOPLE GOT SICK A LOT, AS IT TURNED OUT. AND THEN THERE WERE LET'S SEE.
YEAH. THE OTHER INTERESTING, YOU KNOW, THAT TURNED UP AS A RESULT OF THE OF THE FOLLOW UP RESEARCH, WAS THAT GENERAL WORTH, WHO WAS THE LAST COMMANDING OFFICER OF THE ARMY OF FLORIDA, WAS VERY KEEN ON MAKING SURE THAT THAT FORT GOT USED BY THE SETTLERS WHO WERE BEING SENT BACK OUT TO.
RE RE ESTABLISH SETTLEMENTS SO THAT NOT ONLY WOULD THEY BE FINE, BUT THE INDIANS WOULD BE DISCOURAGED FROM COMING BACK IN THE WAY THEY HAD DONE AND WIPING OUT A FEW MORE SETTLEMENTS.
THEY HAD A WAY OF DOING THAT. WHERE'S THIS GOING TO BE POSTED? WHERE'S THE WHERE? IN KEYSTONE. OH, THAT WAS THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO BILLY HOPEFULLY WILL KNOW.
DID THEY FINALLY TELL YOU WHERE IT WAS GOING TO GO? LAST I HEARD, I THOUGHT YOU WERE REACHING OUT TO DEIDRA TO FIND OUT.
DID YOU HEAR ANYTHING FROM HER, BETH? I DIDN'T.
SO I GUESS. NOW WAIT A MINUTE. I THINK SHE DID SEND.
BUT I DON'T THINK THERE WAS A SPECIFIC LOCATION ON A PICTURE.
EMAIL. SHE SENT A PICTURE OF IT ACROSS FROM A PARK.
AND SO WE NEED A LITTLE MORE DETAIL ON THAT. YEAH.
IT WAS KIND OF ACROSS FROM A PARK. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? OR WITHIN A PROCESS? YOU TOLD ME THAT, TOO. WELL, I KNOW WHICH WOULD BE THE MOST APPROPRIATE PLACE TO PLACE IT, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE COULD PULL OVER, PARK, ADMIRE THE SIGN, YOU KNOW, THINK ABOUT THE THE CONTENTS OF IT AND EVERYTHING.
AND SO IT SEEMED TO HER GROUP THE BEST PLACE TO GO, ESPECIALLY SINCE I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING ADDITIONAL FROM FROM OUR RESEARCHER ON THE GROUND, YOU KNOW, WHO WAS HOPING TO GET MORE ACCESS TO POSSIBLE SPECIFIC SITE OF THE FORT. SO SHE SAID, WELL, THIS THIS WOULD BE BETTER FOR ACTUALLY COMMEMORATING THE SITE, EVEN IF THEY NEVER DID DISCOVER, YOU KNOW, GROUND ZERO OF THE FORT. BECAUSE THESE.
THESE THINGS WERE BUILT OVER LONG AGO. SO I DID FIND AN EMAIL FROM HER.
SHE SAID OBVIOUSLY I HAVE A LOT OF EMAILS THAT I GO THROUGH QUICKLY.
SUGGEST HAVING IT PERPENDICULAR TO LAWRENCE BOULEVARD.
BUT I NEED TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE. WE'LL NEED TO GET THE GPS COORDINATES, SO. OKAY. WELL, I MEAN, I CAN, YOU KNOW, I ORIGINALLY CAME INTO THIS TO JUST TRY TO IMPROVE THE TEXT, BUT IT'S KIND OF BECOME MY THING. I GUESS I WILL CALL HER AGAIN AND SEE WHETHER THEY COULD BE MORE SPECIFIC.
RIGHT? WELL, IT WE NEED IT FOR THE APPLICATION.
YEAH, IT'S FOR THE STATE MARKER APPLICATION. AND THEN.
OH, BY THE WAY BETH, COULD YOU OR SOMEBODY, WHOEVER HAS THE APPLICATION.
I DON'T REALLY HAVE THE APPLICATION MYSELF, SO I'D LIKE TO KNOW.
IT HASN'T BEEN STARTED UNTIL THE WORDING IS DONE.
THE APPLICATION HAS NOT BEEN STARTED. REALLY? NO, I DON'T SUBMIT THEM UNTIL WE HAVE THE WORDING AND THE MAPS AND THE GPS COORDINATES AND ALL OF THAT AND ALL THE SUPPLEMENTAL,
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THE BIBLIOGRAPHY. THAT NEEDS TO BE PRETTY WELL TOGETHER.I THOUGHT THEY HAD STARTED IT. I'M NOT AWARE THAT SHE HASN'T PROVIDED ME A LOGIN OR AN CODE FOR IT.
SO SHE DID SEND A PICTURE WHERE SHE'S STANDING HOLDING A PAPER THAT THAT'S THE LOCATION, BUT IT'S.
I CAN'T TELL WHERE THAT IS. IT'S IN FRONT OF A PARKING LOT.
CAN YOU, CAN YOU FORWARD THAT TO ME? OH, SURE.
WILL. AND I WILL TRY TO FIND OUT THE LOCATION.
OKAY. WE'LL DO. I HAVE A COMMENT ON THE CONTENT.
I THOUGHT THAT WAS A GOOD POINT FOR EVERYONE TO IDENTIFY WITH THAT.
THAT JUST ONE SENTENCE IN THERE TO POINT OUT TO PEOPLE THAT BEFORE THEY DIDN'T HAVE A WAY TO TRAVEL THROUGH THIS 20 MILES IS HUGE. BACK THEN TO BE ABLE TO NOW GO FROM HERE TO HERE TO HERE, TO HERE, TO HERE.
SO I LIKED THAT TO FOR THE PEOPLE WHO AREN'T QUITE SO TECHY ON THE WAR PART TO REALIZE THIS OPENED UP A 20 SQUARE MILE AREA AROUND THE FORT FOR PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO WALK TO AND FROM WHERE DID HOWEVER.
YEAH. WILL YOU REVISE THE WORDING ON IT? AND YEAH, WELL, I YES, I COULD ADD IT SINCE SINCE WE'RE STILL STALLED OVER THE FACT WE DON'T HAVE THE APPLICATION IN THE WORKS, I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT.
SO I WAS JUST FOCUSING ON THE ONE THING I'D ORIGINALLY WAS CALLED UPON TO.
I CAN'T DO THE APPLICATION UNTIL I HAVE THE WORDING.
I NEED TO HAVE THE WORDING TO FILL IN THE APPLICATION.
OH, SO YOU CAN HELP PUT THE APPLICATION TOGETHER.
I'VE BEEN THE ONE THAT HAS SUBMITTED THE APPLICATION. YES.
YES. OKAY. YEAH. THE MAP. I HAVE TO CHECK ON, BECAUSE THAT SHIFTED A LITTLE BIT.
BUT THAT WAS IN THE EASTERN LANDS OFFICE OVER ON THE VIRGINIA SIDE WHEN I FOUND IT YEARS AGO.
BUT I SHOULD JUST CHECK AND MAKE SURE THAT'S WHAT THEY CALLED THEMSELVES NOW, BECAUSE BUREAUCRACIES DO SHIFT THEIR RECORD DESIGNATIONS JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT'S IT. WELL, WE CAN PROVIDE UP TO THREE MAPS, AND THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO SHOW THE LOCATION UP TO THREE, UP TO THREE MAPS. YES. YEAH. WELL, I GUESS I'VE GOT TWO MAPS.
ONE IS NOT AS INTERESTING AS THE. YEAH. SO THERE ARE TWO CONTEMPORARY MAPS.
CORRECT. OH OKAY. WELL THAT CAN BE A SEPARATE.
SO I CAN DO THAT IF YOU HAVE NO OTHER MAPS. BUT SO IT'S IMPORTANT TO THE WAY THINGS ARE SET UP NOW WITH THE WE HAVE TO HAVE DESIGNATED EMAIL CONTACTS OR WHATEVER. SO NOW THAT DEIRDRE IS NO LONGER ON THE BOARD, WOULD SHE BE ABLE TO CONTACT YOU, YOU KNOW, AND WITH IN CONNECTION WITH THIS, RIGHT.
THAT WON'T BE A PROBLEM. YEP. GOOD. WELL, I'LL ASK HER TO FOLLOW UP ON WHAT SHE HAD AND YES, VERY GOOD. ONE QUESTION. CHARACTERS. I THOUGHT IT WAS 1235 WITH PER SIDE. OKAY. AND I GUESS I WASN'T AWARE THAT THIS WAS PLANNED TO BE A TWO SIDED, BUT OBVIOUSLY YOU'RE UNDER THE THRESHOLD FOR THE TWO SIDES, RIGHT? RIGHT. THAT'S THAT'S DEIRDRE AND HER PEOPLE WERE PRETTY FIRM ABOUT THE FACT THAT THEY WANTED ALL OF IT.
THEY'RE A LITTLE OVER. I GUESS I COULD ASK HER AGAIN.
OKAY. STOP. OKAY. THAT'S CONCLUDES FORT NUMBER 11 UPDATE, AND
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WE WILL NOW GO FOR THE CEMETERY UPDATE. KATHY.OKAY, BEFORE I DO THAT, WHY ISN'T THE MIDDLEBURG MARKER ON HERE? MIDDLEBURG COLORED SCHOOL? NO, THE MUSEUM. MUSEUM.
BECAUSE YOU'VE THAT TEXT HAS BEEN FINALIZED, AND I'M WORKING TO SUBMIT THAT, SO THAT'S IN PROGRESS.
OKAY. YEAH. SO YOU'VE BEEN TALKING TO RUTH. FOR EXAMPLE, RUTH PAINE? NO, I HAVEN'T. SHE PROVIDED US WITH THE BIBLIOGRAPHY WITH THE LOCATION.
AND THAT'S SOMETHING BILLY AND I HAVE COMMUNICATED ALSO OVER THAT ONE BECAUSE THE LOCATION THAT SHE'S PROPOSED I WANT TO SUGGEST A DIFFERENT LOCATION BECAUSE HER LOCATION IS RIGHT OFF THE DRIVEWAY.
SO YOU WOULD BE STANDING IN THE DRIVEWAY LOOKING AT IT VERSUS WE WOULD WE HAVE AN ALTERNATIVE LOCATION THAT I WANT TO GET BACK WITH HER AND ASK, BUT. OH, OKAY. SO YOU KNOW HOW TO GET BACK TO HER? YES, I HAVE HER CONTACT INFORMATION, BUT SHE DID ASK ME TO MENTION AT SOME, SOME TIME IN THE COURSE OF THIS MEETING THAT IN THE MEANTIME, THEY WANT TO APPLY FOR COUNTY MARKERS FOR THE SAME THING.
BUT THEY WEREN'T QUITE SURE WHETHER THE PRELIMINARY THING THAT WAS PASSED OUT A FEW MONTHS AGO IS IS IT? YEAH. I TOLD HER THAT BETH SAID THAT SHE COULD JUST FILL IT OUT ON THE DRAFT AND AND SUBMIT IT.
OKAY. WHEN DID WHEN DID YOU TELL HER THAT? LAST MONTH.
LAST MONTH. AND I CAN PROVIDE THE LANGUAGE. I MEAN, WE HAVE ENOUGH ON THIS.
WE HAVE THE WORDING THAT SHE WANTS FOR THE SIGN, AND I CAN JUST PROVIDE THAT TO BILLY.
WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THAT BEFORE THE MEETING THIS MORNING. THIS AFTERNOON.
SO I GUESS, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE KIND OF EAGER TO GET SOMETHING UP SOONER THAN LATER, SO.
IS THERE I GUESS IT WAS HER LAST QUESTION. WAS THERE ANYTHING LACKING TO GOING AHEAD AND AND SUBMITTING THE COUNTY MARKER APPLICATION AT THIS TIME? HAS SHE FILLED OUT THE APPLICATION? NO, SHE HASN'T BECAUSE I HAVEN'T PROVIDED IT BACK TO HER.
YOU KNOW, I'M STILL WORKING ON THE MARKER, SO.
OKAY. THERE'S NO REASON THAT. I MEAN, WE COULD GO AHEAD WITH WHAT WE HAVE.
BUT THE STATE MARKER, MEANWHILE, IS THAT LACKING SOMETHING THAT JUST THE LOCATION? YEAH, THAT LOCATION ABOUT NOT BEING RUN OVER WHILE YOU'RE WATCHING THE SIGN? WE HAVE TO GET THE LOCATION NARROWED DOWN SO WE CAN GET THE GPS COORDINATES FOR THE APPLICATION, SO. OKAY. I'LL TRY TO RELAY THAT TO HER. AND.
GET HOLD OF YOU ALL. OKAY. YOU WANT ME TO GO AHEAD WITH MY.
YEAH, I I'VE BEEN A BUSY LITTLE BEE, AS USUAL.
AND SO NOW IT'S JUST KIND OF A PERIODIC MAINTENANCE THING, AND WE HAD A YOUTH GROUP COME OUT IN NOVEMBER AND DO SOME MAINTENANCE WORK. WE HAD A WOMAN THAT HAS FAMILY BURIED IN THERE THAT HAVE NO MARKER.
SO SHE SHE HAD A COUPLE OF THOSE METAL MARKERS LIKE I HAD MADE FOR SOME OF THE OTHER FOLKS.
SHE HAD ONE MADE FOR FOR HER AND HER DAUGHTER.
SO IT'S LOVEY FOUNTAIN KEEN AND HER INFANT DAUGHTER, DOROTHY.
AND WE MET HER OUT THERE, AND SHE PLACED THEM NEXT TO LOVEIS PARENTS INSTEAD OF IN THE EMPTY AREA THAT WE THINK ALL THE KEENS ARE, WHICH IS FINE.
IT'S A MEMORIAL MARKER, SO THAT WAS VERY EXCITING.
WE HAVE NOT GOTTEN AN UPDATE FOR IT YET. SO I AM WORKING WITH SOMEBODY.
THAT IS IS HANDLING THAT. AND SO I'LL HAVE TO TOUCH BASE WITH THEM NOW SINCE WE'RE AFTER THE FIRST YEAR TO SEE IF THEY'VE HAD ANY UPDATES SO WE CAN GET THAT MILITARY MARKER PLACED OUT THERE. MY EXCITING NEWS IS THAT WE ARE WORKING AT MCKENDREE HAMMOCK.
SO I HAD BEEN TOLD THAT THIS CEMETERY HAD BEEN ABANDONED.
WAS WAY OVERGROWN IN REALLY BAD CONDITION. IT IS REGISTERED WITH THE STATE.
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TALKED WITH HER, AND SHE'S VERY EXCITED ABOUT US DOING RESTORATION THERE.SO GUESS WHAT I TOLD HER? I SAID, I'VE GOT AN EAGLE PROJECT FOR HIM.
AND WE'VE MET WITH HIM SEVERAL TIMES. THE RESTORATION WORK ACTUALLY STARTED ON JANUARY 1ST.
WE WE ARE JUST HOW WOULD YOU SAY IT? WE'RE WE'RE KIND OF JUST THERE TO HELP.
AS FAR AS WE'RE NOT DOING THE WORK BECAUSE IT'S HIS PROJECT, RIGHT? WE'RE JUST THERE TO MAKE SURE HE HE FOLLOWS THE RIGHT GUIDELINES AND THINGS OF THAT SORT.
SO WE WE WERE OUT THERE ON THE FIRST, THE SECOND AND THE FOURTH.
IT IS AMAZING. IT IS AMAZING. AND WE WILL BE OUT THERE AGAIN THIS SATURDAY.
SO WE'VE GOT MOST OF THEM. MOST OF THE AREA CLEARED.
THE BOYS HAVE DONE A GREAT JOB. SO ONCE THEY GET DONE WE WILL ACTUALLY DO ANYTHING THAT HAS TO DO WITH THE STONES. REPAIR, CLEAN, RAISE, WHATEVER NEEDS TO BE DONE THERE.
AND I'VE ALSO BEEN RESEARCHING THE HISTORY OF THE CEMETERY AND THE PEOPLE THAT ARE BURIED THERE.
ANYWAY, SO THAT'S VERY EXCITING. BECAUSE THE PEOPLE THAT OWN THE PROPERTY, THE LADY THAT OWNS IT NOW, SHE INHERITED IT ABOUT A YEAR AGO FROM HER MOM.
AND THEY WERE OLDER COUPLE, AND THEY DIDN'T MAINTAIN IT.
I MEAN, IT WAS IT WAS REALLY BAD. SO IT'S STARTING TO LOOK PRETTY COOL.
I'M ALL EXCITED. WE NEED TO FOLLOW UP WITH MISS PEEBLES WITH ABOUT GARNER LEDGE, WHICH IS SUPPOSED TO BE AN ABANDONED CEMETERY OFF OF SPRING BANK ROAD.
AND SHE SAID SHE LIVES IN THAT AREA, AND SHE THOUGHT THE PROPERTY WAS OWNED BY A GUN CLUB OFF OF SPRING BANK, BUT SHE DOESN'T REMEMBER NOW. IT IS ON THE GIS REPORT, BUT IT'S ONE THAT WE COULD NOT.
I WAS DRIVING AROUND AND COULDN'T FIND IT. SO WE'RE STILL DOING THAT.
I GOT AN ANSWER FROM THE GENTLEMAN AT CAMP BLANDING TODAY, BECAUSE WE ARE WAITING UNTIL AFTER THE HOLIDAYS, AND I RESPONDED BACK TO HIM WITH A FEW SUGGESTED DATES.
WE'RE GOING TO GO DO SITE VISITS ON ALL THE CEMETERIES AT CAMP BLANDING.
THERE IS ONE ON THE GIS THAT HAS GPS COORDINATES.
BUT HE SAID HE HE HE DOESN'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT IT AND CAN'T FIND IT.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT CAME UP FROM. I'M MR. CASTINE'S WORK. BUT I GAVE HIM THE GPS COORDINATES AND HE'S LIKE BEEN ALL OVER THERE.
I CAN'T SEE THAT THERE IS A CEMETERY OR WAS A CEMETERY THERE.
BUT ANYWAY, WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO POSSIBLY DOING SOME SITE VISITS THERE. THE FLORIDA PUBLIC ARCHEOLOGY NETWORK IS HAVING A CEMETERY RESTORATION AND PRESERVATION CONFERENCE.
IN FEBRUARY. I TALKED ABOUT IT AT THE LAST MEETING.
BOTH STEVE AND I ARE GOING TO BE PRESENTERS AT THAT MEETING.
OBVIOUSLY TALKING ABOUT CEMETERIES IN CLAY COUNTY, BUT OUR FOCUS IS GOING TO BE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT, BUT WE'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO BE PRESENTERS. SO I'M VERY EXCITED ABOUT US TALKING ABOUT IT AT THE STATE LEVEL.
HOLLY HILL MEMORIAL PARK CEMETERY IN MIDDLEBURG, AND HAD IT WAS ESTABLISHED IN 1976.
SO THAT'S GOING TO BE A PRETTY EASY ONE TO, TO GET ADDED.
WE STILL HAVE ONE TO GO BACK OUT TO IN KEYSTONE, WHICH IS BELLAMY ROAD OR THE MOUNT ZION BAPTIST CHURCH CEMETERY. WHEN WE WERE OUT THERE BEFORE, WE COULDN'T FIND IT.
BUT NOW I'VE DONE SOME MORE RESEARCH AND I FIGURED OUT WHERE IT IS.
AND WHAT ELSE? THE CLAY COUNTY HISTORICAL SOCIETY IS HAVING THEIR MEETING ON JANUARY 26TH,
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AND I'M GOING TO BE A GUEST SPEAKER THERE TALKING ABOUT THE LIVES AND OF IN HISTORY OF CLAY COUNTY, BASED ON CEMETERIES AND THE PEOPLE THAT ARE BURIED AT THEM.SO VERY BUSY MONTH. THANK YOU FOR YOUR REPORT, STEVE.
DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING FROM YOUR GRAND OPENING OR.
YEAH, WE WE HAD OUR CEREMONY. WE GOT THE FENCE UP, WE HAVE THE THE SIGN UP, AND WE'RE JUST DOWN TO TIDYING UP A BIT, SO WE'RE PRETTY MUCH DONE. I'M COMING TO THE SLOW REALIZATION, THOUGH, THAT UPKEEP IS GOING TO BE KIND OF UP TO ME TO COME UP WITH A PLAN.
IS THAT IS THIS FOR A COUNTY OWNED ONE? THIS.
NO, NO, NO, IT'S A IT'S AN ABANDONED ONE. YEAH.
BUT THAT'S A STATE GRANT THROUGH, RIGHT? FOR A AFRICAN ABANDONED AFRICAN AMERICAN CEMETERIES.
CORRECT. AND I CAN GET WITH OUR TEAM ON THAT AND HAVE THEM REACH OUT TO YOU FOR INPUT ON IT.
THAT'S JUST A HALF A MILE AWAY. IS THAT ALSO A COUNTY MAINTAINED ONE? YES. THIS IS. NO, THIS IS THE ONE THAT HE HAS JUST CLEANED UP.
IT'S IT'S THE ABANDONED ONE. IT'S NOT IT'S NOT OWNED BY ANYBODY.
IT MIGHT MAKE SENSE TO HAVE THEM GIVE US A BID AT HOW MUCH IT MIGHT COST.
AND THEN I'LL GET SOME OTHER BIDS. I'LL CHECK WITH OUR GRANTS TEAM ON THAT.
COULD I BE RECOGNIZED? COULD I BE RECOGNIZED? I AM RELATIVELY NEW, AND I UNDERSTAND SOME OF THE FUNCTIONS OF THIS COMMITTEE.
HOWEVER, THE IDENTIFYING OF CEMETERIES OR FORTS AND THE HISTORICAL DOCUMENTATION AND GETTING A PLAQUE UP IS VERY DIFFERENT THAN SOME OF THE OTHER HISTORICAL SOCIETIES CHOOSING TO DO MAINTENANCE AND CLEARING AND RESTORATION.
AND I KNOW EVERYONE'S ENTHUSED AND YOU'RE DEDICATED.
BUT, KATHY, YOU STARTED THIS IN ANOTHER HISTORICAL SOCIETY, NOT IN THIS BOARD.
I MEAN, YOU'VE BEEN DOING IT FOR A YEAR, RIGHT? AT LEAST THE FINDING AND THE FINDING. YES. THE DOCUMENTING.
YES. FROM WHAT I'VE READ, THIS BOARD IS NOT IN CHARGE OF MAINTENANCE, RESTORATION OR ANYTHING ELSE.
IT WOULD BE AS IF FORT 11, WE DECIDED TO START LAYING OUT THESE BRIDLE PATHS IN A 20 MILE SQUARE, DOCUMENTING THEM, MAKING SURE THEY WERE CLEAR AND PAVED.
NO, THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW. IF YOU GET CLAY COUNTY HISTORICAL SOCIETY OR IN THIS CASE, KEYSTONE HEIGHTS HISTORICAL SOCIETY, WHO WANTS TO DO THE NEXT STEP? AND I MAY BE WRONG, BUT IT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT ASPECT TO WANT TO BE COLLECTING BOY SCOUTS FOR IT.
I MEAN, IT'S NICE TO HEAR ABOUT IT, WHAT OUR INFORMATION HAS OPENED UP TO PEOPLE, BUT I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD BE FEELING RESPONSIBLE FOR ANYTHING TO ACTUALLY GET OUR HANDS DIRTY. GO OUT AND DO IT.
AND IF YOU DO IT ON YOUR OWN, THAT'S GREAT. IF I GO OUT TO FORT 11 AND TRY TO FIGURE OUT, BASED ON WHAT'S IN THE DOCUMENTATION WHERE IT IS, AND TRY TO WALK SOME OF THESE PATHS AND SAY, HEY, YOU KNOW, YOUR HOUSE IS BUILT AT THE CORNER.
OKAY. I THINK THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF MISUNDERSTANDING.
STEVE AND KATHY DOES THE CEMETERY RESTORATION? YES. THEIR OWN? YES. I THINK I WAS STATING THAT.
THAT? YES, THEY'RE DOING IT. IT'S NICE TO HEAR IT.
HOWEVER, I THINK TO FOCUS ON IT A LOT IN OUR MEETING.
TELEVISED, DOCUMENTED, WHATEVER MAKES IT SOUND LIKE THAT'S ACTUALLY PART OF OUR DUTIES.
NOT JUST THAT SOMEBODY'S DOING IT. SO PART OF OUR DUTIES IS PRESERVING THE HISTORY OF CLAY COUNTY.
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WE'RE PRESERVING THE HISTORY, NOT THE ACTUAL SITES.SO LET ME CORRECT SOMETHING THAT I SAID AT THE LAST MEETING THAT WAS INCORRECT.
CEMETERIES ARE EXEMPT FROM ARCHERY PROTECTION STANDARDS.
THAT'S GOOD TO HEAR. I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY A COUPLE POINTS.
YOU MENTIONED THE CLAY COUNTY HISTORICAL SOCIETY.
IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH PLEASANT POINT. ABSOLUTELY ZERO.
BE A VEHICLE FOR US TO SUBMIT THAT GRANT TO THE STATE.
AND I UNDERSTAND THAT BECAUSE THE GRANT WRITING IS WRITING UP THE EQUIVALENT OF THE FORT THAT WE JUST GOT, OR THE WHATEVER, YOU ARE TELLING EVERYBODY THIS HISTORY, WHICH IS WONDERFUL.
AND THEN BECAUSE YOU CHOOSE TO DO THAT ON YOUR OWN OR ANOTHER SOCIETY CHOOSES TO DO IT.
THAT'S GOOD. BUT I'M NEW AND IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE FOCUSING A LOT ON THE ACTUAL DOING THE WORK, WHICH I DON'T WANT THAT RESPONSIBILITY MYSELF.
YOU CAN SEE IT. BUT IF THIS IS A PROJECT, THEN THAT'S A PROJECT.
THAT'S A WHOLE HUGE TASK. SO THAT'S REALLY NOT IT.
IT'S NICE TO KNOW WHERE IT IS. BUT WITH THE CEMETERIES, IT'S NICE TO SAY, HERE'S THE CEMETERY, HERE'S THE CEMETERY, HERE'S THE CEMETERY. BUT TO TO MAKE ME FEEL THAT WE.
THEN WHEN YOU DISCOVER A NEW ONE, ARE EXPECTING TO GENERATE WORK CREWS OR MAINTENANCE CREWS.
I JUST MAYBE I'M WRONG, BUT I HAD TO SAY IT, SO I DON'T THINK THAT'S BEEN THE IMPRESSION THAT'S BEEN GIVEN BY KATHY OR STEVE THAT THEY'RE SOLICITING FOR WORKERS FROM THIS COMMITTEE.
THEY'RE PRESENTING THEIR ACTIVITIES AS INFORMATION TO THE TO YOU AND THE COMMUNITY AS FAR AS WHAT THEIR WORK HAS BEEN COMPRISED OF AND ALSO TO INSPIRE OTHERS TO RECORD CEMETERIES THAT ARE OUT THERE, BECAUSE THAT'S A BIG ISSUE, THAT THERE ARE MANY THAT ARE UNRECORDED AND COULD EASILY BE DESTROYED IF THEY'RE NOT RECORDED.
AND SO THIS IS JUST PART OF THEIR WORK. I DON'T THINK THEY'RE YOU KNOW, DEMANDING ANYONE JOIN IN.
NO, I DIDN'T I DIDN'T FEEL THAT. I JUST FELT THAT THERE'S A HUGE FOCUS OF TIME IF YOU READ THROUGH THE MINUTES, IF YOU WATCH THE AGENDA ABOUT WHAT REALLY ISN'T OUR BUSINESS.
IN OTHER WORDS, IF I START CLEANING UP TRASH ALONG A CERTAIN AREA THAT'S HISTORIC, I MAY LET YOU ALL KNOW ABOUT IT, BUT I DON'T WANT ANYONE ELSE TO FEEL LIKE THEY HAVE TO JOIN.
SO THAT WAS ALL. OKAY, MAY I COMMENT? I MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT KATHY HAS LOOKED AT THE BOARD IN PREVIOUS YEARS AND UNDERSTOOD THAT THERE WAS SOME SORT OF REPORT REGARDING THE CEMETERIES HERE IN THE COUNTY, SO I THINK SHE CAME ON TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT WAS REPRESENTED HISTORICALLY, AS IT HAS BEEN PREVIOUSLY, FROM MY UNDERSTANDING. JUST ANOTHER POINT WHEN I BROUGHT THIS UP THAT WE NEED TO DO UPKEEP.
I STARTED OFF BY SAYING THAT IT'S GOING TO BE MY RESPONSIBILITY.
I'M COMING TO THE REALIZATION THAT'S GOING TO BE ON MY SHOULDERS.
SO IN NO WAY WAS I SUGGESTING THE PRESERVATION BOARD BE PART OF ANY OF THE UPKEEP FOR THE CEMETERY.
I GUESS MY QUESTION TO YOU IS, WHAT DO YOU FEEL THAT THE GOALS ARE OF THIS, THIS COMMITTEE? WELL, IT'S TO RESEARCH, IDENTIFY, COME UP WITH ALL THE STUFF THAT WE HERE FOR SOMETHING LIKE A FORT OR WHATEVER MARKERS ARE OUT THERE. WHAT'S THERE? BUT IF WE SOMEONE COMES TO US.
CAN YOU CHECK IT OUT FOR ME? I BELIEVE WE ARE TASKED THEN TO HELP THEM LOOK AT HISTORICAL RECORDS, COME UP WITH IT AND DO THAT. WE'RE NOT TASKED WITH FEELING RESPONSIBLE WHETHER THE PERSON IS THEN GOING TO FIX IT UP OR NOT, OR HELP THEM OUT. I MEAN, WE MIGHT DECIDE TO DO THAT ON OUR OWN, BUT AS FAR AS READING OUR OWN
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PERSONAL CHOICES, WHICH WAS FINE. IT WAS IT WAS NICE THAT YOU'RE DOING THAT.BUT I GUESS I WAS JUST TRYING TO KEEP IT MORE ON A ANALYTICAL HISTORICAL THAT AND NOT AN OWNERSHIP THEREOF. SO MY UNDERSTANDING, WHEN I CAME ON THE BOARD EARLIER THIS YEAR, MY GOAL I, WHEN I ASKED TO BE INVOLVED IN THIS WAS THAT THERE USED TO BE A CEMETERY COMMITTEE ON THE PRESERVATION BOARD WHEN IT WAS THE HISTORICAL COMMITTEE COMMISSION. AND THE GOALS ON THAT SAID IT WAS TO IDENTIFY, PRESERVE, RECOGNIZE AND PROMOTE THE HISTORICAL, ARCHITECTURAL AND ARCHEOLOGICAL RESOURCES SIGNIFICANT TO CLAY COUNTY'S PAST.
SO YES, RECORDING IT, IDENTIFYING IT, RECORDING IT.
BUT PRESERVATION IS ALSO INCLUDED IN THAT. BECAUSE I'VE TAKEN ON AND WORKED ON DOING RESTORATION.
THAT'S MY MY PERSONAL CHOICE. YES. BUT IT ALSO INCREASES AWARENESS TO LET US KNOW THAT.
HEY, WE'VE WE'VE WE ARE DOING SOME PRESERVATION WORK OR THERE IS PRESERVATION WORK BEING DONE TO SAVE THESE HISTORICAL AND ARCHITECTURAL AND ARCHEOLOGICAL SITES.
I WOULD SAY AS A BOARD, WE'RE ALWAYS WELCOME FOR SUGGESTIONS ON PROJECTS.
YOU KNOW, WE'RE BUDGET CONSTRAINED A LITTLE BIT, BUT ALSO THE STATE IS BACKLOGGED.
I THINK THEY'RE GETTING CAUGHT UP, BUT THEY'RE PROBABLY STILL AROUND JUNE OF LAST YEAR.
SO CERTAINLY IF YOU HAVE ANY SUGGESTIONS ON WHAT THE BOARD COULD BE WORKING ON, YOU KNOW, WE'D BE HAPPY TO HEAR. YES. AS A NEW MEMBER, THAT DEFINITELY WAS A PART OF THE BOARD.
THAT WAS VERY PLAIN FOR THAT. IT WAS THE. EXTENSIVE.
WORK INVOLVED THAT MADE IT, ALTHOUGH YOU WERE BOTH CAREFUL TO SAY YOU WERE DOING IT ON YOUR OWN, IT ADDED A FOCUS TO THE GROUP THAT I THOUGHT MIGHT BE DISTRACTING TO OTHER PEOPLE.
YOU MENTIONED BRIEFLY WHEN I ASKED ABOUT THE SIGN.
HAVE YOU HEARD ANYTHING UPDATES FOR THE MIDDLEBURG SCHOOL? I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING. SO WE HAD AN INTERESTING, NOT HAPPY THING THAT WAS DISCOVERED.
THE STATE SENT ME AN EMAIL THIS WEEK THAT SAID THAT UNFORTUNATELY, DUE TO THEIR BACKLOG, THEY WERE NOT ABLE TO CATCH THE FACT THAT THE MIDDLEBURG COLORED SCHOOL APPLICATION THAT WE SUBMITTED, WHICH I'M STILL IN THE PROCESS OF SUBMITTING BECAUSE I'VE GOT THE SUBMITTED SUPPLEMENTAL STUFF TO SUBMIT IS A DUPLICATE, AND THAT THERE WAS ANOTHER APPLICATION THAT WAS SUBMITTED PROBABLY AROUND JUNE OF LAST YEAR.
AND THAT'S HOW I KNOW THAT THEY'RE CATCHING UP TO JUNE.
MAUREEN IS REACHING OUT TO THEM AND WE'RE THAT'S WHERE WE ARE ON THAT.
I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON IT OTHER THAN ANOTHER GROUP HAS SUBMITTED BEFORE US.
HAVE YOU HEARD ANYTHING ABOUT THE ACTUAL PRESERVATION OF THE BUILDING? WE ARE SUBMITTING GRANTS FOR FUNDING TO TRY AND GET FUNDING TO DO THAT.
OKAY. BUT NO, I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING FURTHER ON THAT.
OKAY. OKAY. ANY OTHER OLD BUSINESS? IF NOT, WE'LL MOVE ON TO NEW BUSINESS AND ATTENDANCE POLICY DISCUSSION.
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BETH, OPEN THAT UP. OKAY, SO RIGHT IN THIS IN THE AGENDA AND ALSO, YOU'VE SEEN THIS IN OUR PACKET OF INFORMATION REGARDING YOUR DUTIES, POWERS AND DUTIES.IS LANGUAGE ABOUT ATTENDANCE. AND IF YOU MISS THREE CONSECUTIVE MEETINGS, TECHNICALLY YOU CAN BE.
CONSIDERED SOMEONE TO BE REMOVED FROM THE COMMITTEE IF THE COMMITTEE SEES FIT.
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THAT MAKES IT DIFFICULT TO GET A QUORUM. WE HAD THAT ISSUE BACK IN OCTOBER WHERE WE DIDN'T HAVE A QUORUM.SO WE CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND WE VALUE THAT YOU ARE VOLUNTEERS AND YOU'RE GIVING YOUR TIME.
SO SO I'M PUTTING THIS FORTH TO YOU. I DID AN ANALYSIS OF THE LAST YEAR'S MEETINGS.
SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE SHE'S GETTING THE EMAILS AND WHAT'S GOING ON THERE.
BUT RANDY AND TERRY HAVE BOTH MISSED A LOT OF MEETINGS.
AND I BELIEVED HE WAS GOING TO RESIGN. HE WAS.
YOU KNOW, I TOLD HIM THE PROCESS IS TO SEND AN EMAIL TO ME, AND, YOU KNOW, WE CAN RESIGN.
HE CAN RESIGN THAT WAY. OR, YOU KNOW, YOU AS A BOARD CAN DECIDE TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS THAT, YOU KNOW, MEMBERS BE, YOU KNOW, REMOVED AND THEY COULD THEN BE FILLED BY ANOTHER POSITION.
AND SO THAT'S WHY I'M BRINGING THIS UP TO YOU.
SO IF YOU WANT TO HAVE HAVE YOU REACHED OUT TO RANDY? I, I DID REACH OUT TO RANDY. I LEFT A VOICEMAIL, AND I HEARD NOTHING BACK FROM HIM.
SO, YOU KNOW, IF YOU RESIGN FROM THE BOARD OR IF YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, REMOVED FROM IT.
NOW, I'M SURE IF CIRCUMSTANCES CHANGE, YOU CAN ALWAYS REAPPLY.
AND THE BOARD WOULD CONSIDER, YOU KNOW, THEY RECOGNIZE YOU'RE ALL VOLUNTEERS AND LIFE, YOU KNOW, HAS CIRCUMSTANCES. SO SO, SO DID RANDY AGREE TO RESIGN OR WHAT? SHE DID NOT RETURN MY CALL. I'LL TRY TO REACH HIM, AND THEN I'LL COMMUNICATE WITH YOU BECAUSE HE USUALLY TALKS TO ME.
ALL RIGHT, WELL, I MEAN, AS YOU SEE, HE HAS MISSED SUBSTANTIALLY.
YEAH. SO AND HE'S HAD ALL KINDS OF HEALTH, PERSONAL ISSUES.
I UNDERSTAND. SO. YEAH. SO SO THAT'S WHERE WE ARE.
I MEAN, YOU'VE GOT TWO MEMBERS THAT HAVE MISSED.
AND AGAIN, IF YOU REDUCE YOUR NUMBER DOWN TO EIGHT, YOU THEN ONLY NEED FIVE INSTEAD OF SIX.
SO IT'S IT WOULD HELP WITH YOUR QUORUM. BUT WHICH WAY IS MOST EXPEDIENT.
IT WOULD BE FOR THEM TO JUST RESIGN THEMSELVES.
EITHER WAY, RESIGN. BUT LIKE I SAID, I TRIED TO REACH OUT TO RANDY, AND I'VE HEARD NOTHING FROM HIM.
SO AND YOU ALL DON'T WANT TO COME TO A MEETING AND NOT BE ABLE TO HAVE IT BE PRODUCTIVE? TRUE. YEAH. HOWEVER, IT DOES SEEM IT WOULD BE A LOT BETTER ON THE RECORD IF THE PERSON RESIGNED BECAUSE CIRCUMSTANCES PREVENT ATTENDANCE. OTHER THAN HE'S JUST BLOWING IT OFF.
WHICH, OF COURSE, RANDY DOESN'T DO OR HASN'T DONE.
BUT THESE MEDICAL ISSUES CERTAINLY HAVE GOTTEN IN THE WAY OF HIS DOING WHAT HE THOUGHT HE WOULD.
AND SO IT WOULD LOOK BETTER ON THE RECORD, IN MY OPINION, TO HAVE THE RESIGNATION AS A MATTER.
OH, BY THE WAY. SO IF HE DID, IF A PERSON DOES DECIDE TO RESIGN, WHAT ARE THE ESSENTIAL ELEMENTS OF THE RESIGNATION LETTER? I SUPPOSE YOU WANT A LETTER. IT'S A VERY SIMPLE EMAIL.
THEY CAN JUST SAY, YOU KNOW, I CAN NO LONGER SERVE ON THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD.
THAT'S ALL. OKAY. NOW, SINCE RANDY IS NOT PROBABLY PLUGGED IN TO THE NEW EMAIL SYSTEM.
INTERNAL ONE. NO, HE WAS NOT HERE, SO HE'S NEVER BEEN GIVEN THE EMAIL.
RIGHT? YES. EVEN THOUGH. YES. SO IF ONE OF YOU CAN COMMUNICATE WITH HIM AND ASK HIM TO, YOU KNOW, OKAY, YOU COULD PROBABLY SEND A LETTER. WELL, I WOULD THINK SNAIL MAIL WOULD WORK ALSO EITHER WAY.
YEAH. OR YOU KNOW, THAT'S THOSE ARE THE TWO METHODS.
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SO I'M JUST RAISING THAT FOR YOU. AND IF YOU'LL REACH OUT TO HIM AND SEE IF, YOU KNOW, IF HE COMES TO THE MUSEUM OR IF YOU SEE HIM.MELISSA OR SO. SO THAT'S ALL I HAVE ON THAT TOPIC.
OKAY. SO DO WE WANT TO TAKE ANY ACTION AT THIS TIME? YES, SIR. I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. IF NOT, THEN WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE CLOSING.
WELL, STEVE'S GOING TO TRY AND GET AHOLD OF RANDY, I THINK, OR.
YEAH, I THINK WE'LL GIVE IT THIS THIS TIME AND THEN MAYBE LOOK AT TAKING A MOTION NEXT TIME.
OKAY. OKAY. SO IF ONE OF THOSE TWO PEOPLE FORMALLY RESIGNED, THAT WOULD THAT WOULD FREE UP THE RATIO THAT WE'RE WORRIED ABOUT, RIGHT? OR WOULD THAT TAKE US DOWN TO FIVE. THAT WOULD TAKE US TO NINE, WHICH WOULD GET US DOWN.
OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SEEING AS THERE'S NOBODY IN THE AUDIENCE, WE WILL OPEN AND CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT, GO TO STAFF COMMENT. THE ONLY COMMENT I HAVE IS THE HISTORIC ROUNDTABLE IS MEETING ON MONDAY,
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JANUARY 12TH. I BELIEVE YOU GO TO THAT, KATHY.SO THAT'S. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. WHAT TIME? 930 TO 1230 AT SAINT MARY'S EPISCOPAL CHURCH.
TALK TO HER IN PRIVATE AFTER THE MEETING. AND 400 SAINT JOHNS AVENUE, GREEN COVE SPRINGS.
DO YOU DO YOU KNOW WHAT THAT WHAT THE ROUNDTABLE IS? I DO NOT, BUT UNFORTUNATELY, I WORK DURING THAT TIME.
IT JUST KILLS ME. YEAH. SO TWICE A YEAR, THE HISTORICAL SOCIETIES IN CLAY COUNTY GET TOGETHER AND THEY, YOU KNOW, HAVE ONE MEETING TO KIND OF TALK ABOUT WHAT EACH HISTORICAL SOCIETY HAS BEEN DOING, WHAT SOME OF THEIR PROJECTS ARE. YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST A WAY FOR THEM ALL TO COME TOGETHER AND COME UP WITH IDEAS, SHARE IDEAS, THOUGHTS AND WHATEVER AND USUALLY DO IT.
WHAT? JANUARY AND JULY. TWICE A YEAR. YEAH. TWICE A YEAR.
SO IT'S GOOD. YES. I WISH I COULD BE BECAUSE IT'S JUST DURING THIS LIKE 9:00 AND AM I'M ASSUMING.
YES, YES, IT'S DURING THE DAY. YES. MAKES IT HARD FOR THOSE THAT WORK.
YES. ALL RIGHT. WE ARE DONE WITH STAFF COMMENTS AND WE WILL GO WITH BOARD COMMENTS.
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AND WE'LL START DOWN HERE AND WORK OUR WAY TO THE END.JUST HAD ONE COMMENT ABOUT THE MIDDLEBURG MARKER.
NOW WHEN WHEN WE FIND OUT WHAT THE RESULT OF THAT IS, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN FOR BUDGETARY MEANS? SO THE MONEY FOR MARKERS IS NOT SPENT UNTIL THE MARKER IS PRODUCED.
OKAY. SO ALL RIGHT. SO THE MIDDLEBURG ONE, THEY WANT TO DO A STATE MARKER.
OKAY. IT'S NOT LIKE, YOU KNOW, SO THEY JUST NEED TO HAVE THEIR STUFF BECAUSE THEY'VE GOT PRETTY MUCH THE VERBIAGE AND STUFF, EVERYTHING DONE. BUT THEY WANT TO GET A MARKER UP AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.
SO YOU'RE SAYING MAYBE WE DO WITH THE SMALLER LEVEL AND MAYBE LET THE OTHER STUFF SORT ITSELF OUT? I'M SORRY. ARE YOU SAYING THAT WE GO WITH THE WITH THE LEVEL WITH BILLY AND DO THAT SIGN TO START OR SOMETHING, AND THEN LET THE OTHER DO THE STATE LEVEL SORT ITSELF OUT BECAUSE THEY KNOW THE STATE MARKER IS GOING TO TAKE THEM QUITE A BIT LONGER, AND THERE'S NOT A BUDGET AND THE STATE'S WAY BEHIND.
AND SO AT LEAST THEY'LL HAVE THE COUNTY MARKER.
AND THAT DOESN'T CONFLICT WITH THE STATE LEVEL STUFF THAT'S GOING ON.
OKAY. THAT DOESN'T PREVENT YOU FROM GETTING A STATE MARKER.
YOU CAN DO BOTH. I HAVE NOTHING. I SAID MY PIECE.
I SAID MY PIECE. YOU HAVE SAID YOUR PIECE. WELL I THINK, YEAH, IF WE CAN, IF WE CAN ARRIVE AT SOME SORT OF A AT LEAST AN INFORMAL PROTOCOL AS TO HOW TO GO ABOUT INITIATING SOME OF THESE OTHER PROJECTS. FOR EXAMPLE, ONE THING THAT'S ALWAYS BEEN KIND OF HOVERING IN THE
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AIR IS TO PROMOTE AND HOPEFULLY GET THE COUNTY TO ADOPT SOME SORT OF.GUIDELINES OR RULES FOR PRESERVATION OF BUILDINGS, YOU KNOW, THAT ARE HISTORIC AND SO FORTH, OR DESIGNATING AREAS THAT ARE CONSIDERED TO BE HISTORIC AREAS BESIDES THE ONES THAT ARE ALREADY MENTIONED.
IT'S A LITTLE BIT FUZZY, AT LEAST IN MY MIND, HOW YOU WELL, HOW YOU OBTAIN PEOPLE TO FOR EXAMPLE, IN 1989, I BELIEVE IT WAS THE COUNTY HIRED AN EXPERT.
ARCHITECTURAL HISTORIANS OR AND MAYBE ARCHEOLOGY PEOPLE FOR ALL I KNOW.
THEY DID A VERY, YOU KNOW, GOOD JOB FOR THE PERIOD OF TIME THAT THEY WERE IN.
BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW WE'D GET A FRESH LOOK AT SOME OF THESE POTENTIAL SITES IN TERMS OF FINANCING OR RECOGNITION OF, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A PROJECT, THE COUNTY IS BEHIND IT.
I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT WILL BE DONE, BUT IT WOULD BE GOOD IF WE COULD KIND OF GET SOME.
GUIDANCE ON THAT. ANOTHER THING THAT DOES OCCUR TO ME IS THAT THE COUNTY'S MUSEUM FOR YEARS HAS BEEN SUFFERING FROM NEGLECT IN TERMS OF THE.
YES, THE MAINTENANCE, PARTICULARLY THE ROOF SYSTEM.
THE ROOF SYSTEM HAS ALWAYS BEEN SUCH THAT WATER PENETRATES.
IT HAPPENED AGAIN APPARENTLY IN THE LAST FEW DAYS, AND EACH TIME IT DOES, IT DOES DAMAGE.
OR YES, IT WILL. YES, IT DOES DAMAGE. SOMETIMES IT'S ACTUALLY DESTROYED.
PARTICULARLY PAPER HOLDINGS INSIDE THE MUSEUM.
AND GOT THE SAME ISSUE AT THE ARCHIVES, THOUGH, AT THE THE THE CLAY COUNTY ARCHIVES BUILDING.
YES. PART OF THE OLD JAIL. THEY HAVE THE SAME ISSUE.
THEY HAVE A LEAKY ROOF AND THEY'VE HAD TO MOVE THINGS OVER THERE.
SO THE COUNTY IS AWARE OF IT. I MEAN, WHOEVER DOES THEIR MAINTENANCE.
BUT. WELL, YEAH, I'M SUGGESTING THAT WE PUT OUR HEADS TOGETHER AS A, AS A, AS A BOARD AND EMPHASIZE THE NECESSITY OF REALLY FINALLY TAKING A STAND AND DOING LASTING REPAIRS ON THOSE THINGS SO THAT IT DOESN'T HAPPEN EVERY OTHER YEAR THAT WE GET ANOTHER DISASTER, SMALL OR GREAT. IT'S REALLY KIND OF A DISGRACE THAT IT'S THE WAY IT IS NOW.
AND SO I THINK IF WE CAN SOMEHOW. PUBLICLY TAKE A STAND, MAYBE MARCH DOWN TO ANOTHER COMMISSIONER MEETING AND RECORD OUR CONCERN ABOUT IT. BECAUSE. BECAUSE SOMETIMES IT WORKS OR HAS WORKED IN THE PAST.
SO I WOULD ALSO ASK THAT ONE OF YOU SEND AN EMAIL, AND MAYBE IF YOU CAN'T, I DON'T KNOW, MELISSA, IF YOU CAN SEND ME THE DETAILS OF WHERE THERE'S ISSUES WITH THE MUSEUM.
I CAN FORWARD THAT TO OUR FACILITIES DEPARTMENT.
AND YOU KNOW, THEY CAN CHECK IT OUT. BUT IF THEY DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, THEY THEY CAN'T CHECK IT OUT.
SO I HAVE PICTURES THAT I TOOK ON SUNDAY. PLEASE SEND IT TO ME.
YEAH. I THINK THEY ARE AWARE BECAUSE WE I WAS EVEN OVER AT THE MUSEUM AND THERE WERE GUYS THAT CAME IN AND WERE LOOKING AT STUFF, AND THIS HAS BEEN, THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR A WHILE.
I UNDERSTAND. YEAH THAT THEY ARE AWARE AS. A FIRST STEP, BUT OBVIOUSLY IT'S NOT ENOUGH.
THERE HAS TO BE SOME SORT OF ACTION. RIGHT. YEAH.
AND THAT'S WHERE HOPEFULLY WE COULD COME IN. WELL, IF I COULD.
THEY KEEP DOING TEMPORARY FIXES. FIXES? BUT THE WATER COLLECTS UP THERE.
SO FAR THEY'VE COME UP WITH THE FUNDING TO. YEAH.
I MEAN, IF YOU GO UP, YOU KNOW, TO THE HIGHEST POINT OF THE OLD COURTHOUSE, YOU CAN SEE WHAT A MESS.
YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST A RUBE GOLDBERG, YOU KNOW, ASSORTMENT OF AND EVERY ONE THAT HAS A SHARP ANGLE AT THE BOTTOM, YOU KNOW, IS INVITING BECAUSE THE WATER IS GOING TO FIND ITS WAY IF IT DOESN'T HAVE A WAY OF GETTING OFF THAT ROOF.
AND THAT'S WHAT'S BEEN HAPPENING AGAIN AND AGAIN.
AND, YOU KNOW, THEY DO A TAR OR WHATEVER. AND SO, SO YEAH.
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SO THOSE OF US WHO HAVE A ARE PLUGGED INTO THE CURRENT EMAIL SYSTEM.I HOPE. WELL, I COULD CERTAINLY TALK TO THOSE PEOPLE TOO.
BUT TO GET IT. YEAH, WE NEED TO RECORD THIS, I THINK.
AND KEEP RECORDING IT. SHOWING UP AT THE MEETINGS, IF NECESSARY, OF THE COMMISSIONERS.
BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT UNSYMPATHETIC TO IT.
IT'S JUST THAT THEY HAVE SO MANY OTHER THINGS CLAIMING THEIR ATTENTION.
BUT FOR US, THIS IS A BIG DEAL. AND ESPECIALLY IT'S EMBARRASSING TO TRY TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO GIVE THEIR HISTORIC ARTIFACTS TO THE MUSEUM, FOR EXAMPLE AND THEN SAY, WELL, OF COURSE, WE CAN'T GUARANTEE THERE WON'T BE DESTROYED IN A FEW YEARS, BUT IT JUST DOESN'T LOOK GOOD.
ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. NOTHING ELSE. MEETING IS ADJOURNED.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.