Nov 05, 2019 Planning Commission

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>> SPEAKER: GOOD EVENING. WE WILL CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER.

[Call to Order]

AT THIS TIME PLEASE SILENCE ALL CELL PHONES. IF YOU NEED TO TAKE OR MAKE A CALL WE WILL ASK THAT YOU STEP OUTSIDE INTO THE VESTIBULE TO DO SO.

[Pledge of Allegiance]

TO LEAD US IN OUR PLEDGE. >> MS. BRIDGMAN: I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER

GOD, INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. >> SPEAKER: OKAY.

GOOD EVENING. LET'S SEE IF WE CAN CONTINUE ON A BETTER PATH.

I'M GOING TO START WITH INTRODUCTIONS I AM MICHAEL BOURRE I AM THE CHAIR AND STARTING FROM YOUR LIFE TO MY RIGHT IS OUR RECORDING SECRETARY KELLIE COLLINS, CLAY COUNTY SCHOOL BOARD REPRESENTATIVE JIM. OUR COMMISSIONER ROBERT MACHALA COMMISSIONER BELINDA JOHNSON OUR VICE CHAIR RALPH PUCKHABER, COMMISSIONER JOE ANZALONE COMMISSIONER MARY BRIDGMAN, COMMISSIONER BRENDA KICSAK AND OUR CLAY COUNTY PLANNING AND ZONING DIRECTOR ED LEHMAN AND OUR COUNTY ATTORNEY IS DOWN HERE COURTNEY GRIMM AND TO LIEUTENANT COLONEL IS NOT HERE DO WE HAVE ANYONE ÃI DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANYONE ELSE.

ALSO WANT TO INTRODUCE OUR CHIEF OF ZONING, CHAD WILLIAMS. I DIDN'T FORGET YOU.

AND ALSO WANTED TO THANK OFFICER MERRITT FOR BEING HERE THIS EVENING.

THANK YOU, OFFICER. THE CLAY COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION IS AN ADVISORY BOARD TO THE CLAY COUNTY BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS. THE DECISIONS MADE BY THIS BOARD ARE ONLY RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE BCC. THEY WILL HAVE THEIR FINAL SAY AT THE MEETIG ON NOVEMBER 22. THAT'S GOING TO SHIP FOR ONE OF THESE ITEMS WHICH WE WILL GET TO ANY MINUTE. IF THERE ARE ANY SPECIFIC ITEMS ON THE AGENDA YOU WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON, PLEASE FILL OUT ONE OF THE COMMON CARDS THAT YOU WILL FIND IN THE BACK VESTIBULE. THERE IS A PUBLIC COMMENT. THE BEGINNING AND END OF THE MEETING AND IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE YOU'D LIKE TO SPEAK ON. OTHER THAN THE ITEM THAT ARE BEING DISCUSSED HERE DURING PUBLIC HEARING AGENDA FOR THIS MEETING.

HE WILL HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK. I JUST WANT TO GO THROUGH THAT FOR A SECOND. HOW MANY HERE ÃTHIS IS THE FIRST TIME AT THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING? OUTSTANDING. WELCOME.

THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. THE WAY THIS WORKS IS WHEN WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT, WE'RE GOING TO READ THE CARD OFF OF YOUR NAME. AT THAT POINT YOU WILL COME TO THE PODIUM AND THEIR STREETLIGHTS ON THE PODIUM. YOU WILL HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK. THERE IS A GREEN LIGHT WHICH MEANS YOU ARE GOOD.

A YELLOW LIGHT WHICH MEANS YOUR TIME IS ABOUT TO EXPIRE AND ONCE THE RED LIGHT POPS TIME IS OVER AND IF YOU DON'T STOP AT THE RED LIGHT, I WILL ASK YOU TO STOP.

SO PLEASE BE COURTEOUS TO EVERYBODY SO WE CAN MOVE THROUGH THE AGENDA.

>> SPEAKER: THE BCC MEETING IS NOVEMBER 26. >> MR. BOURRE: IS NOT WHAT I SAID? I APOLOGIZE. THANK YOU.

THE 26TH. ALL RIGHT. THERE'S ONE OTHER ITEM I DID WANT TO BRING UP AND THAT IS ANYTIME YOU COME UP, HE WILL SPEAK ONLY TO THIS BODY.

YOU WILL NOT TURN AROUND AND SPEAK TO EACH OTHER, THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE SHOUTING FROM

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[1.  Public Hearing To Consider Rezoning Application PUD-19-10 AR to PUD; Request To Continue]

ITEM NUMBER 1 OUR PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER REZONING APPLICATION PUD 90 Ã10 AR TO

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AND I WILL LET CHAD EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT OF THAT AND THAT WILL BE CONTINUED TO DECEMBER 3. BECAUSE IT'S BEEN CONTINUED DOES NOT MEAN THAT WE ÃWE WILL OPEN UP PUBLIC COMMENT IF YOU WANT TO COME SPEAK, YOU CAN BUT YOU WILL HAVE A CHANCE TO ALSO SPEAK AT THE DECEMBER 3 MEETING. YOU CAN COME UP AND WAVE IN SUPPORT OR WAVE AND DENIAL OR

YOU CAN HAVE YOUR FULL THREE MINUTES.THAT'S IT UP TO YOU. >> SPEAKER: THE APPLICANT HAS REQUESTED A CONTINUANCE FOR THIS APPLICATION THE SITE PLAN WASN'T EXACTLY CORRECT, STAFF OPPOSED IT AND WE NEEDED SOME MORE TIME TO KIND OF CLEAN THAT UP.

SO THAT'S THE PURPOSE ON THE CONTINUANCE. WITH THAT, LIKE YOU SAID IT WAS ADVERTISED LEGALLY SO WE DO HAVE TO OPEN UP PUBLIC HEARING. FOR THE RECORD, I PERSONALLY RECEIVED LETTERS AND EMAIL CORRESPONDENCE THAT I WILL READ INTO THE RECORD.

ONE FROM ÃIF I PICTURE ANYBODY'S NAME I APOLOGIZE. ANGELA GRAHAM OPPOSITION, SHERRY CHASE EMAIL, OPPOSITION. MARY AND OPPOSITION MIKE BURNS OPPOSITION JAMES AND ALICE WEISS EMAIL OPPOSITION AND MISSI

OPPOSITION. >> MR. BOURRE: IS THE APPLICANT HERE? SINCE WE ARE WAITING TO CONTINUE HER SINCE WE ARE MOVING TO CONTINUE ON ASSUMING

THE APPLICANT IS IN HERE. >> FROM HEARING SOME OF THE FOLKS THERE'S LOTS OF QUESTIONS AND GENERALLY WE WILL GO INTO A CURE ANYTHING WHEN I WANTED TO POINT OUT IS FROM THE TIME THAT WE HAVE FROM NOW TO THE DECEMBER MEETING OF ANY INTERESTED PARTY WAS TO CONTACT MYSELF OR ED OR THE PLANNING STAFF TO GET SOME QUESTIONS THAT ARE ANSWERED THAT WHAT WE HAVE, IT'S DIFFICULT FOR US RIGHT NOW BECAUSE WE'RE NOT GOING BY SITE PLAN BECAUSE WE DISAPPROVED WHEN THEY WHEN IT WAS DONE SO IF YOU HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS OR ANYTHING FEEL FREE TO CALL ME AT THE OFFICE. CALL AND WE WILL TRY TO GET YOU ANSWERED.

>> MR. BOURRE: WITH THAT BEING SAID WE WILL MOVE INTO THE PUBLIC COMMENT.

SO I'M GOING TO OPEN PUBLIC COMMENT AND WE ARE GOING TO START WITH MS. ANGELA MALLORY.

AND WHEN YOU COME UP IF YOU WILL PLEASE GIVE US YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS.

STEPHEN ANGELA MALLORY, 2121 BLUE HEARING COVE DRIVE. I'M HERE TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION REZONING 1910. BASICALLY I STAY CONSISTENT WITH THE CURRENT LAND USE PATTERNS AS WELL AS THE 20/40 COMPREHENSIVE CLAY COUNTY 2040 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

BASICALLY ONLY ONE SIDE OF THE LAND CURRENTLY BORDERS A DEVELOPED NEIGHBORHOOD.

THE REST OF IT IS BASICALLY ZONED AR CURRENTLY WITH A WETLAND, ACTUALLY TO THE SOUTH.

AND BORING THAT WETLAND IS A CONSERVATION EASEMENT. I KNOW IN THE DOCUMENTATION THAT WE WERE SENT THAT WAS LISTED AS PUD BUT IT MAY BE ITS OWN PUD BUT IT'S ALSO A CONSERVATION EASEMENT TO THE SOUTH OF THE PROPERTY. WHAT I DID IS I BASICALLY WENT AND THIS IS THE LETTER I BELIEVE EVERYONE RECEIVED IN THE PACKET.

I WENT LINE BY LINE WITH THE DEVELOPMENT SUPPLEMENT QUESTIONS ATTACHMENT ALPHA FOR THAT WAS SUBMITTED WITH THE PLAN AND I JUST KIND OF POINTED OUT SPECIFIC ISSUES WITH EACH OF THOSE, AND IF NO SOME OF MY NEIGHBORS ARE GOING TO BE GOING MORE INTO DETAIL QUITE A FEW OF THEM AND YOU WILL HAVE THE PACKET SO YOU CAN ORDER ME WHAT I THINK ABOUT IT.

SO I WILL JUST EPIDIOLEX. I SPOKE ABOUT THE TYPES OF LAND BUT AS FAR AS THE CONTENTION ONE REGARDING THE EXISTING CONDITION AND THE PROPERTIES THAT ARE ADJACENT, THE PROPERTIES ÃTHE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT IS MUCH SMALLER SIZED LOTS THAN WHAT IS CURRENTLY THERE. I BELIEVE THEY ARE PROPOSING A 60 BY 110 BLOCKS WITH 65 BEING THE BORDER ALONG THE ANIMALS INLAND NEIGHBORHOOD. WHEREAS APPLES AND IT HAS A MINIMUM 100 FOOT BACKLOG. SO WHAT THAT WOULD BE DOING IS BASICALLY PLACING TWO LOTS ON AVERAGE AT LEAST WITHIN THE BACKYARDS OF THE INDIVIDUALS AND THE SIX HOMES THAT DO ORDER THE PROPERTY. ADDITIONALLY, NUMBER TWO WAS NOTED TO BE AN URBAN INFILL MY RESEARCH INDICATED THAT ONLY URBAN CORE URBAN FRINGE AREAS WOULD BE SUBJECT TO AN URBAN

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SO THAT WOULD HAVE EVERYTHING THAT COMES ALONG WITH THE WORLD FRENCH DESIGNATION WITH BEING THE THREE UNIT PER ACRE DENSITY AND SUCH LIKE THAT. PTHAT'S ONE THING WE DID RELY O HEAVILY IN MAKING OUR PURCHASES IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. NUMBER THREE IS JUST AN ASSERTION THAT THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT WILL FULFILL A NEED FOR WORKFORCE HOUSING IN THE AREA. YOU KNOW, IT'S AN UNINCORPORATED ISLAND, AND I KNOW THE MAJORITY OF THE CURRENT RESIDENTS TO COMMUTE EVEN OUTSIDE OF CLAY COUNTY FOR WORK. THERE ARE MORE RESIDENCES THAN THERE ARE EMPLOYMENT OPPORTUNITIES, SO THAT ÃI DIDN'T SEE ANY SUPPORT FOR THAT ASSERTION.

THE LAND-USE PATTERNS I SPOKE ON, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN I SPOKE ON.

ADDITIONALLY, MY NEIGHBORS ARE GOING TO GO INTO TRAFFIC, WATER RUNOFF, OVERCROWDING IN THE SCHOOLS, DEVALUATION OF SURROUNDING PROPERTIES. I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT I TOOK THE TAX RECORD AND LOOKED AT THE SIX PROPERTIES THAT WILL BE ABUTTING THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT. THE AVERAGE TAX VALUE OF THOSE HOMES IS 290 Ã

>> MR. BOURRE: I WILL HAVE TO ASK YOU TO WRAP IT UP. THANK YOU SO MUCH.

PACKET? I KNOW I DID NOT. SO EVERYTHING THAT YOU WERE JUST EXPLAINING TO US, WE HAVEN'T SEEN ANY OF THAT YET. SO YOU KNOW, WITHOUT SEEING THAT, WITHOUT US BEING ABLE TO REVIEW IT, THERE'S NOT A LOT THAT WE CAN KIND OF COMMENT ON

AT THIS POINT. JUST TO LET YOU KNOW THAT. >> MR. BOURRE: I DID WANT TO REMIND EVERYBODY THAT WHEN WE ARE A LITTLE BIT MORE LENIENT IN THE STUDY BUT AT THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS WHEN YOU'RE THREE MINUTES IS UP YOUR THREE MINUTES IS UP AND THEY'RE GOING TO ASK YOU TO SIT DOWN. SO WE ARE GOING TO GO TO THE NEXT CARD AT THIS POINT AND

THAT'S MR. RON BROWN. >> SPEAKER: THAT EVENING. RON BROWN 2141 BLUE HEARING COVE DRIVE ADMIRALS INLET SPEAKING IN OPPOSITION OF THIS REZONING AND EVEN THE DEVELOPMENT SPECIFICALLY BY THIS PARTICULAR DEVELOPER HE TRAVELED AROUND JACKSONVILLE AND SURROUNDING AREAS SOME OF THE LOWEST QUALITY SPEC HOME DEVELOPMENTS WITHIN THE ENTIRE AREA BUT OF PARTICULAR CONCERNS ARE AND CONSIDERATION OF THIS DEVELOPMENT WOULD BE A TRAFFIC STUDY THERE'S BEEN RECENT ONE DONE ON 220 AND THE INTERSECTION OF OLD HARD ROAD, THIS WILL BE IMPACTED BY THE AND IN ADDITION TO THE CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC, ON A ROAD THAT HAS NO SHOULDERS JUST DIGEST, INCREASED CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC AND IN ADDITION TO THE SATURATION OF THE RESIDENTIAL USAGE. ENVIRONMENTAL PLAN, I KNOW WE HAVEN'T SEEN IT, BUT I TAKE GREAT INTEREST IN IT AS TO ALL THE WATER BOTTLES BOTH ONTO OLD HARD ROAD. THE WETLANDS AND BACK AREA THAT ABUTS ADMIRALS INLET.

ALL SERIOUS ISSUES. THE OTHER ISSUE WITH THIS KIND OF DEVELOPMENT AND BEST SATURATION IS THE IMPACT TO THE COST OF OUR HOMES, THE VALUE OF OUR HOMES AND DEVALUING AND ASKING FOR A BUFFER TO BE CONSIDERED BETWEEN THE BACKSIDE AND AREA OF ABUTMENT.

WHITE VINYL PLASTIC FENCE THAT'S BEEN PROPOSED TO BE THROWN OUT.

>> MR. BOURRE: THE NEXT IS JIM AND I LIVE ON BLUE HERRING COVE DRIVE UNLIKE MY NEIGHBORS HERE WHO BEEN THERE ABOUT 10 YEARS AND OUR LOT BACKS UP TO THE CREEK, SO WE HAVE BEEN THERE QUITE A FEW STORMS HER KIDS COME AND GO ONE OF THE THINGS WE NOTICED IN RECENT YEARS AS THE WATER STAYS HIGHER NOW THAN IT IS TO WHEN WE FIRST MOVED THERE. AS A MATTER-OF-FACT LOOKING ON THE PLAT THAT THE PROPOSED NEIGHBORHOOD IS THE WATERMARK THAT'S LISTED THERE I WOULD

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SO WE ARE ONE WAY AND ONE WAY OUT NEIGHBORHOOD AND OBVIOUSLY WE HAD A BAD STORM AND WERE NOT ABLE TO EVACUATE BECAUSE THE ENTRANCE FLOODED FIRST. THAT WOULD BE PRETTY SERIOUS SITUATION. ANOTHER THING TO POINT OUT IS AS YOU ENTER OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, THERE IS A DRAINAGE DITCH THAT PRETTY MUCH SERVES AS A STORMWATER POND THAT RUNS BETWEEN ALL THE WAY DOWN BETWEEN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT.

AND CURRENT STANDARDS WHEN HOMES ARE PUT IN AND THEY GREAT THE PROPERTY, THE HOUSE WAS USED AS A CROWN AND THE FRYER GOES TO THE ROAD AND THE BACKYARD GOES TO WHATEVER'S BEHIND IT. IN THIS CASE AT THE END OF BUILDING THE NEIGHBORHOOD AS THEY ARE PROPOSING, THEN WHAT WE ARE ABSORBING IS GOING TO PEASILY DOUBLE AS FAR AS STORMWATER DRAINAGE AND IT'S JUST SOMETHING I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE CONSIDERED BEFORE

WE APPROVE THIS REQUEST. THANK YOU. >> MR. BOURRE: THANK YOU.

NEXT IS IS IT MICHELLE

>> SPEAKER: IT

>> SPEAKER: PULLED THE MICROPHONE DOWN. THERE YOU GO.

>> SPEAKER: I AM MICHELLE LANE UNTIL ABOUT 1981 SO I'VE BEEN A VERY LONG TIME. I HAVE SEEN A LOT OF CHANGES.

AND MOST OF THEM I CAN'T SAY ARE GOOD. IN SPEAKING WITH WHAT HE WAS JUST TALKING ABOUT, I BELIEVE OUR PROBLEM WAS BLACK CREEK SUBDIVISION.

I USED TO HAVE HORSES AND I HAVE WRITTEN BACK THERE AND IT WAS ALL DOWNHILL AND IT WAS WETLANDS AND WHEN THEY STARTED BUILDING BLACK CREEK SUBDIVISION I WAS FLABBERGASTED. SINCE THEN, MY NEIGHBORS, THREE OF THEM FLOODED DURING IRMA AND SOME OF THEM HAD CLOSE CALLS BEFORE THAT. SO I BELIEVE ÃI'M NOT SURE WHEN IT WAS BUILT BUT HE IS SAYING 10 YEARS AND THAT SOUNDS ABOUT RIGHT FOR WHEN THE PROBLEM STARTED. THE OTHER THING I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS IS THE TRAFFIC.

I SAW YOUR TRAFFIC STUDY WAS A FIVE YEAR PLAN BUT YOU NEED TO PROBABLY GET BACK ON IT BECAUSE SINCE WE HAVE BEEN GRACED WITH THE SCHOOL, OUR ROAD HAS BECOME A NIGHTMARE.

THOSE PEOPLE LOVE THEIR CHILDREN. THEY WENT TO GET THEIR 45 MINUTES AHEAD OF THE SCHOOL LETTING OUT. SO WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT JUST A SMALL SPACE AND TIME WHERE THE TRAFFIC IS ALL BACKED UP.

IT GOES ON FOR HOURS. SO I AM TOTALLY AGAINST THIS. IF THEY ARE GOING TO BUILD A SUBDIVISION, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THEM BE HELD TO THE SAME STANDARDS WE HAVE BEEN, WHICH IS ONE ACRE PER HOUSE AND THE OTHER THING THAT I HAVE SEEN IN THE TIME I'VE BEEN OUT THERE IS A LOT OF THE OLDER HOMES ARE BEING TORN DOWN AND MYSPACE HOMES ARE BEING BUILT.

SO IN STAYING WITH THAT LINE, YOU KNOW, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE MAYBE TWO ACRES, DON'T TAKE ALL THE TREES, BUILD SOME REALLY NICE HOMES NOT COOKIE-CUTTER HOMES, AND YOU KNOW, THEY USED TO TELL US THAT WE WERE THE LAST PART OF FLEMING ISLAND AS IT USED TO BE, AND THAT'S TRUE.

THERE'S A LOT OF US IN THAT AREA THAT HAVE BEEN THERE FOR A LONG TIME.

SO THANK YOU FOR LISTENING. >> MR. BOURRE: YES MA'AM, THANK YOU.

NEXT IS TIM PATTON. >> SPEAKER: MY NAME IS TIM PATTON I LIVE AT 1973 CATTLE LANE. JUST ACROSS THE STREET FROM MICHELLE, WHICH WE HAVE BEEN THERE FOR ABOUT 30 YEARS TOO. MY CONCERN IS TRAFFIC. IT USED TO BE DIRT WHICH IS NOW PAVED, IF THEY PUT THESE Ã THERE'S ABOUT 45 HOMES IN THEIR AND THAT'S GOING TO ADD A LOT OF TRAFFIC. WHICH THEY HAVE PUT THE CHARTER SCHOOL IN WHICH THERE IS ANOTHER SCHOOL THAT IS COMING THERE, WHICH IS A MIDDLE SCHOOL.

WHICH IS GOING TO BE EVEN MORE TRAFFIC. WHICH I KNOW THAT THEY ARE

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YOU HAVE TO MAKE A RIGHT TURN AND GO UP THERE AND MAKE A U-TURN TO GO LIVE ON 220.

IF THEY PUT THAT RED LIGHT IN, THERE IS ÃI FORGET WHAT SUBDIVISION ÃI THINK IT'S A SUBDIVISION YOU CAN GO THROUGH TO GET TO LAKESHORE'S, WHICH THAT'S GOING TO MAKE PEOPLE GO THROUGH THERE TO GET TO THE RED LIGHT SO THEY CAN TURN LEFT, WHICH ALSO THERE WILL BE NO LEFT TURNS OFF OF 220 12 OLD HARD RD. THAT'S GOING TO PUT PEOPLE GOING THROUGH THAT SUBDIVISION TOO, WHICH IF YOU ADD THE SUBDIVISION, WHICH WITH THE OTHER SCHOOLS COMING IN, THAT'S GOING TO PUT MORE TRAFFIC ON A SMALL 2 LANE RD.

THERE'S NO SIDEWALKS ON IT. THERE WILL BE KIDS ÃI KNOW THEY WILL BE WALKING TO SCHOOL, SOME OF THEM WILL HAVE TO BE, AND IT IS DARK, WHICH THE POLICE THEY DO SIT AT THE END OF OUR ROAD AS A SPEED TRAP, AS A 25 MILE AN HOUR ROAD AND I TALKED TO ONE OF THE POLICEMAN AND HE STOPPED ONE CARD THAT WAS DOING 70 MILES AN HOUR DOWN THE ROAD.

SO I JUST THINK IT'S A BAD IDEA. SO THANK YOU.

>> MR. BOURRE: THANK YOU, SIR. ALL RIGHT. NEXT IS PATTY WATSON BUT I HAVE A NOTE HERE DO FOR MY TIME TO SHERRY CHASE.

BOURRE: IF YOU'D LIKE TO COME SPEAK WE WOULD LOVE TO HAVE YOU COME UP AND IF NOT WE ARE GOING

TO MOVE ON. WE WANT TO HEAR YOUR VOICE. >> SPEAKER: I AM NOT AS POLISHED AS THESE OTHER PEOPLE. I AM PATTY WATSON I LIVE AT 224 OLD HARD ROAD AND I'VE BEEN LIVING THERE SINCE 1982. WE HAVE BEEN SHIFTED AROUND BECAUSE WE REALLY DIDN'T HAVE A BIG BUNCH OF PEOPLE TO KEEP OUR KIDS LIKE THE RIGHT SCHOOL SO OUR KIDS ÃMY KIDS WENT TO EVERY SCHOOL ON FLEMING ISLAND. SO NOW WE'RE AT THE POINT TO WHERE THESE OTHER SCHOOLS ARE COMING IN AND IT'S GOING TO BASICALLY CROWD US OUT. IT ALREADY IS WITH THE TRAFFIC IS CRAZY RIGHT NOW. LIKE THEY WERE SAYING ABOUT AN HOUR BEFORE POOL, PICKUP, ALL THE WAY DOWN RIGHT LEFT WHICH IS BY PINE LAKE ESTATES, IS BACKED UP.

I COULDN'T EVEN GET OUT OF MY DRIVEWAY IF I WANTED TO. TO GO OVER BECAUSE IT'S NOT CAPTURED WE HAD TO GO THE LONG WAY AROUND. I AM AGAINST THIS DEVELOPMENT THE WAY IT'S PLANNED AND I THINK PEOPLE SHOULD BE HELD TO THE SAME THING WE WERE HELD TO AS FAR AS BUILDING HOMES. THAT'S REALLY ALL I WANTED TO SAY IS AM AGAINST IT.

WE NEED SOMETHING DONE, DEFINITELY WANTED TO SAY SOMETHING ABOUT THAT NO LEFT TURN. IF THEY PUT A LIGHT AT LAKESHORE WEST WE WILL NEVER BE ABLE TO GET ONE AT OLD HARD ROAD WHERE IT'S NEEDED WHICH IS NOW BECAUSE IT WILL BE TOO CLOSE. SO IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME THAT THEY ARE DOING IT AT LAKESHORE WEST BECAUSE ALL THAT'S DOING IS ALLOWING THE PEOPLE TO GET OUT OF EAGLE HARBOR AND IT DOESN'T ALLOW ANYONE ONTO OUR SIDE OF THE STREET TO GET OUT.

THEY HAVE PLENTY OF OPPORTUNITIES TO NOVA IS ANOTHER EXAMPLE WHEN YOU'RE COMING FROM LAKESHORE THE MAIN LAKESHORE YOU HAVE LEFT SIGNAL WE SIT AND WAIT FOR THEM TO GET IN TURN AND THEN WE TAKE OUR CHANCES ON MAKING A LEFT ON TO 220.

IT SEEMS LIKE EVERYBODY WAS TO HAVE EVERYBODY GET OUT OF EAGLE HARBOR BUT WE CAN'T GET OUT OF A RELIGIOUS OLD HARD ROAD.E DO HAVE LOTS OF SPEEDING AND AS THEY WERE SAYING NOBODY GOES 25 WHEN WE ARE TRYING TO TURN TO OUR DRIVER WE HAVE PEOPLE PASSING US ON A DOUBLE LINE AND

SOMEBODY'S GOING TO GET HURT. SO THAT'S ALL. >> MR. BOURRE: NEXT IS SHERRY

CHASE. >> SPEAKER: I AM SHERRY CHASE WE HAVE TWO HOMES ON OLD HARD ROAD WANT TO BE BUILT ANOTHER ONE 83 OLD HEART. THE BIGGEST CONCERN IS THIS AREA IS DIAGONALLY ACROSS FROM OUR NEW HOME. I WAS 250 FEET OFF THE ROAD AND

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IT IS ÃWHEN I SAW THE PLAN FROM WHEN THE NEIGHBORS SAID IT FOR ME WHICH I DIDN'T KNOW BARRY HAD A PARTICULAR PLAN AND I SAW THE WAY THE PARTRIDGE'S PROPERTY IS, THERE ARE FOUR PARCELS THERE AND IF THEY WANT TO PUT 60 HOMES THERE LET'S GET A MAP AND YOU ACCRUE BACK Ã445 HOMES. 45C.E WILL HAVE 180 HOMES AND EACH ONE WILL HAVE TWO CARS AND THAT'S GOING TO BE A LOT MORE TRAFFIC ON OUR ROAD. MY DOG IS VERY SKITTISH WHEN HE GOES OUT THERE. I CAN'T LET HIM OUT FRONT AND HE DID PUT ONE OF THOSE BIG UGLY SIX FOOT FINAL FENCES AROUND OUR PROPERTY JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WERE SAFE.

BUT WE BOUGHT PROPERTY TWICE AND WE SPLIT IT INTO THREE DIFFERENT LOTS.

I SOLD THE OTHER TWO. WE STAYED WITH LEZZONI AROUND THE COMMUNITY.

WE ASSUMED THEY ARE FOR A REASON. WE HAVE HEAVILY INVESTED IN THAT AREA AND TO BRING IN ÃAND I AM A RACHEV. TO BRING IN THESE HOMES, THESE SMALL 60 FOOT WIDE LOTS WITH FIVE FOOT SIDE SETBACKS THERE ARE GOING TO BE ONE ON TOP OF THE OTHER AND IT WILL DEVALUE EVERYTHING THE PROPERTY. THE ZONING WE BOUGHT FOR THE AREA WE BOUGHT FOR ROOM. ALWAYS GOT IN THE LAST 15 YEARS IS CONGESTION.

AND I KNOW THAT YOU ALL HAD TO HAVE APPROVEDFOR CHARTER SCHOOL TO GO IN AND THIS HAS AFFECTED US AS EVERYONE ELSE HAS SAID I REALLY WISH YOU ALL WOULD REVISIT THAT BECAUSE THAT IS A MAJOR PROBLEM. MY FATHER IS AT OLD HEART AND KANOVA ROAD.

HE CAN'T EVEN GET OUT OF HIS DRIVEWAY IN THE MORNING OR IN THE EVENING IN THE AFTERNOON.

IT'S HIDEOUS. IF ANY OF YOU HAVE LIVED OVER THERE YOU WOULDN'T PUT UP WITH IT FOR MORE THAN TWO SECONDS. I'M JUST ASKING THAT YOU WOULD PLEASE HEAR THE NOTE LOUD AND CLEAR. IT WOULD RUIN OLD HARD ROAD IT WOULD RUIN EVERYTHING AND WHEN YOU READ WHAT AGRICULTURE RESIDENTIAL SHOULD BE IT WOULD BE SHAMEFUL.

IT WOULD REALLY BE TERRIBLE FOR EVERYONE IF YOU TAKE AWAY PLACES FOR THE WILDLIFE.

THE TREES, EVERYTHING. WE'LL BE GONE. WE CLEARED OURS AND WE ARE GETTING READY TO START DOING LANDSCAPING WHEN WE BILL. I KNOW WHAT IT'S ABOUT.

I JUST ÃI HAVE AVOIDED ÃWE HAVE AVOIDED LIVING IN THOSE AREAS WHERE THE SUBDIVISION Ã AND I JUST ASK YOU TO PLEASE IF THEY ARE GOING TO BUILD LET THEM LIVE BY THE SAME RULES

THAT WE ALL DO. ONE HOME SAVED PER ACRE. >> MR. BOURRE: THANK YOU.

>> MR. BOURRE: NEXT IS DOCTOR STEVEN CHASE. >> SPEAKER: COULD EVEN.

DOCTOR STEVEN CHASE. I AM ALSO A RETIRED ARMY LIEUTENANT COLONEL, AND WE BOUGHT THE PROPERTY AT 129 OLD HEART RD. AT 2002 TIMEFRAME AND THE REASON WHY WE BOUGHT IT WAS WE WANTED ÃWHEN I RETIRED THAT THE TIME TO MOVE SOMEWHERE PWHERE WE WOULD HAVE A LOT OF PEACE AND TRANQUILITY A WILDLIFE AND A PLACE FOR THE FAMILY TO GROW AND SPACE, ETC. AND SO THAT'S THE REASON WHY I BOUGHT IT IT WAS RESIDENTIAL AGRICULTURAL TYPE LAND AND SO THAT'S WHY WE BOUGHT IT AND WE BOUGHT ANOTHER PIECE OF PROPERTY AND IMPROVED IT CONSIDERABLY AT 83 OLD HEART BROKE FOR THE SAME REASON TO HAVE A NICE LARGE AREA AND WHERE IT'S VERY PEACEFUL, ETC. HOWEVER, THERE IS MAJOR TRAFFIC ISSUES NOW RECENTLY BECAUSE THE SCHOOL THAT WAS PUT IN AT THE INTERSECTION OF KANOVA ROAD AT 220. MAJOR PROBLEMS WITH THE TRAFFIC.

YOU CAN'T EVEN HARDLY GET DOWN KANOVA ROAD MOST OF THE TIME DURING THE DAY BECAUSE THE PEOPLE TRYING TO GET IN AND OUT OF THE SCHOOL AREA. AND THEN ALSO IMPACTS OLD HARD ROAD THEY HAD TO GO DOWN OLD HEART ROAD IN ORDER TO GET TO THEIR HOMES AND BUSINESSES WHERE THEY ARE GOING. AND SO I AM DEFINITELY OPPOSED TO HAVING A PUD OR NEW COMMUNITY PUT IN THAT WILL FURTHER IMPACT THE TRAFFIC. IT DEFINITELY REQUEST AND RECOMMEND THAT WE HAVE A LIGHT AT THE END OF OLD HEART ROAD FOR TRAFFIC ISSUES WE ARE ALSO

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IT'S A MAJOR ISSUE AS FAR AS VISIBILITY GOES, AND THE OTHER THING IS THEY DEFINITELY RECOMMEND TO HAVE POSSIBLY OLD HARD ROAD CUT OFF SOMEWHERE BETWEEN KANOVA AND WHERE THE NEW COMMUNITY IS PRESENT IF THERE WERE TO BE A COMMUNITY TO BE PUT IN.

DEFINITELY RECOMMEND THE SIZES OF THE LOTS AND EVERYTHING BE WITHIN THE ONE ACRE THAT'S BEEN TRADITIONALLY PUT IN PLACE THE REASON WHY WE MOVED THERE AND WE'D LIKE FOR YOU TO CONSIDER

THESE RECOMMENDATIONS. THANK YOU. >> SPEAKER: CAN ASK HIM A QUESTION? THE CHARTER SCHOOL DO THEY HAVE A POLICE OFFICER DIRECTING

TRAFFIC? >> SPEAKER: I'VE NEVER SEEN A POLICE OFFICER THERE.

YES, IT'S EXTREMELY DANGEROUS IF YOU TRY TO GO DOWN THERE DURING THE DAY YOU ARE TAKING YOUR LIFE INTO YOUR HANDS. AND PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO GET IN AND OUT AND PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO SWERVE BACK AND FORTH AND THEN IT PUTS A LOT OF PRESSURE ON THE PEOPLE COMING HOME FROM WORK OR GOING BACK HOME FROM WORK TRYING TO GET THROUGH OLD HEART ROAD.

TRYING TO GET AROUND THE TRAFFIC. >> MR. BOURRE: NEXT IS JAJEN YOU HAVE HEARD SO MANY OF THEM ESPECIALLY ABOUT THE TRAFFIC. I CONTACTED THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT THE CLAY COUNTY SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT REQUESTING RECORDS FOR ACCIDENTS ON OLD HEART ROAD IN THE LAST NINE YEARS. I WAS RESPONDED WITH THERE ARE OVER 200 ACCIDENTS ON OLD HEART ROAD IN THE LAST NINE YEARS. HOW MANY OF THESE RECORDS DO YOU REQUEST? I WAS FLABBERGASTED.

THAT IS AS YOU HAVE HEARD PEOPLE DO NOT COMPLY WITH THE SPEED LIMIT ON OLD HEART ROAD.

THERE IS A VERY DANGEROUS CURVE THAT IS A BLIND CURVE SHORTLY CLOSE TO TURNOVER ROAD.

THERE ARE NO SHOULDERS AND THERE ARE DITCHES ON EITHER SIDE.

I USED TO ENJOY WALKING ALONG OLD HEART ROAD OR BIKING ALONG OLD HARD ROAD BUT BECAUSE OF THE AMOUNT OF INCREASE IN TRAFFIC AND THE SPEED AT WHICH IS GOING I AM NO LONGER FEEL SAFE WALKING OR DYE ALONG THE ROAD. I THANK YOU FOR THE STUDY THAT YOU'VE DONE OBVIOUSLY SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE DONE I APPRECIATE THE WORK YOU DO FOR STUDY IF WE PUT IN ANOTHER DEVELOPMENT OF 45 POUNDS WHICH AS YOU HAVE HEARD WILL PROBABLY BE 90 MORE CARS ONE QUARTER MILE FROM THE INTERSECTION AND PROPOSALS THAT YOU HAVE BEEN WILL ALREADY BE LIMITED BECAUSE OF THE INCREASE IN TRAFFIC THE OTHER CONCERN THAT WE HAVE THUNDERBOLT ELEMENTARY HAS HAVE THEIR HOME MOON BROOMS AND PORTABLES. IF YOU CALCULATE HOW MANY YOUNG FAMILIES WILL BE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. IT'S A SIGNIFICANT PROBLEM.

THE GREEN COVE SPRINGS MIDDLE SCHOOL THAT WILL SIGNIFICANTLY INCREASE THE NEE FOR BEST TRAFFIC ETC. AGAIN I JOINED MY NEIGHBORS AND ASKING YOU TO RECONSIDER THIS PROPOSAL.

>> MR. BOURRE: THANK YOU. BRIAN HERTEL STATEMENT I AM BRIAN HERTEL.

MY WIFE AND I HAVE LIVED HERE FOR 10 YEARS. WE BOUGHT AFTER I RETIRED AMONG RETIRED FEDERAL LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER CONFIGURED TO BE CLOSER TO MY IN-LAWS LIVE IN PENNY FARMS MY MOTHER-IN-LAW IS 95 AND STILL LIVES THERE. WE REALLY HAVE GROWN TO LOVE CLAY COUNTY. THEY ARE A WONDERFUL PLACE TO LIVE.ND I HAVE LIVED IN 12 STATES AND I WAS IN THE MILITARY AS WELL. I WOULD SAY THAT OF ALL THE PLACES I HAVE LIVED INCLUDING COLORADO AND MASSACHUSETTS AND EVERYWHERE ELSE THIS IS REALLY HOME NOW. AND THIS IS THE LONGEST PLACE I'VE EVER LIVED.

I HAVE ALSO BEEN ÃON THE BOARD HOA BOARD FOR ADMIRALS AND THAT WHICH IS BLUE.

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BUT I THINK THE ONE THING I WOULD LIKE TO SHARE TONIGHT IS PLEASE CONSIDER WHAT WE ARE DOING IN THESE AREAS WHEN WE ARE DEVELOPING THESE AREAS. FOR EXAMPLE, WHEN THE CHARTER SCHOOL CAME AND THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT, WHAT I HAD HEARD WAS WE WILL FIGURE OUT THE PROBLEMS AFTER WE DO IT. WE WILL PUT THE CHARTER SCHOOL IN AND THEY COULD NOT ALLOW BUSSING AND PARENTS HAVE TO AGREE TO BRING THEIR CHILDREN AND SIGN DOCUMENTS SAYING THEY WOULD MAKE SURE THEIR CHILDREN GET IN BECAUSE YOU WILL HEAR MORE OF THAT. THE OTHER IS ABOUT THE STORMWATER CONCERNS JUST RECENTLY I KNOW THAT CLAY COUNTY COMMISSIONERS HAVE DISAPPROVED SOME OF THE PROPOSALS WHERE IT WAS PROPOSED THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO PAY EVERY YEAR I WASN'T CONCERNED ABOUT THE MONEY, I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT THE THINGS THAT I HEARD AS I LISTENED TO SOME OF THE PEOPLE THAT WERE TALKING ABOUT IN TERMS OF PLANNING WE CREATE AND WE HAVE HER ALREADY TODAY, WE CREATE MORE PROBLEMS THAN WE SONG OF SOLOMON TRYING TO DO THE RIGHT THING, WE END UP CREATING PROBLEM OF YOUR PROBLEM OVER HERE. I ASK YOU TO CONSIDER THE RAMIFICATIONS OF YOUR DECISIONS, THE THINGS THAT YOU ARE DOING, HOW IS THAT GOING TO IMPACT NOT JUST NOW BUT LATER ON. ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT I HAVE 23 SECONDS, ONE OF THE THINGS I WANT TO TALK ABOUT IS THE TRAFFIC.

I USED TO BE AN AVID BICYCLE RIDER UNFORTUNATELY I GOT HIT BY AN SUV.

CLAY COUNTY A LITTLE OVER TWO YEARS AGO. I HAVE RECOVERED IN TIME TO THE AS WE ALL KNOW THAT LIVE IN CLAY COUNTY SOME OF THE ISSUES THE TRAFFIC IS A CONCERN.

WHEN YOU MAKE DECISIONS HOUSING AND DEVELOPMENT WE NEED TO CONSIDER THOSE IMPACTS: BLESSING AND I WILL STOP 220 THERE'S A PROPOSAL TO MAKE IT SIX LANES IN THE AREA.

IT IS 13,000,000.2 PROJECTS IT'S A CRITICAL PROJECT AND EVENTUALLY THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN. PLEASE CONSIDER WHAT KIND OF DEVELOPMENTS WE HAVE PUT

NECESSARY. THANK YOU. >> MR. BOURRE: OUR LAST CARD IS

JAMES ROBERTS. >> SPEAKER: I AM JAMES ROBERTS I LIVE AT 188 FULLHART RD. AT THE CORNER OF OLD HEART ROAD AND KANOVA. I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING YOU GOING TO SAY THAT HASN'T BEEN BROUGHT TO EVERYONE ELSE JUST A COUPLE OF LITTLE THINGS I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNOW OLD TOWER ROAD ON EITHER SIDE IS DITCHES.

SO YOU CAN PULL OFF THE ROAD EITHER CAR OR YOUR CAR WILL END UP IN A DITCH.

WHEN THE TRAFFIC BACKS UP IT GOES BACK UP ALL THE WAY DOWN KANOVA AND ONTO OLD HARD ROAD ON EITHER SIDE. THE PARENTS CAN'T EVEN PULL OFF THE ROAD.

THEY PROVIDE ON THE ROAD BECAUSE THEY CAN'T PULL OFF BECAUSE OF THE DITCH.

THAT'S WHAT CAUSES THE PART OF THE TRAFFIC PROBLEM. ADDING ANOTHER 48 HOMES OR MORE CARS IN THEIR COACHES SCHOOLS IF YOU PUT ANY HOMES IN THEIR THERE IS NO SIDEWALK ON TRINITY SO EVERYONE HAS TO BE BEST. THERE'S NO LIGHTING ON OLD HEART ROAD EITHER AT NIGHT.

SO THAT'S THE ONLY ADDITIONS I HAVE. THANK YOU SO MUCH.

>> MR. BOURRE: THANK YOU SO MUCH. OKAY.

THAT'S THE LAST OF THE CARDS THAT WE HAVE. IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE WOULD LIKE TO COME UP AND SPEAK ON THIS? TAKE YOUR TIME.

AGAIN, YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. STATEMENT MY NAME IS KATHY PATTON I LIVE AT 1973 CATTLE LANE. I JUST WANT TO SPEAK MORE QUICKLY ABOUT THE TRAFFIC WHICH YOU HAVE HEARD PLENTY OF FOOD EVERY MORNING WHEN I LEAVE TO GO TO WORK AND HAVE TO GO UP THERE AT 220 AND THAT LIGHT THERE ARE CHILDREN THAT ARE COMING ACROSS TO 20 GOING FROM EAGLE HARBOR ACROSS 220 ON THEIR BICYCLES 12, 14 OF THEM AND YOU CANNOT SEE THEM IN THE DARK. WHEN PEOPLE ARE TURNING LEFT. ON THE RIGHT EYE HAD CHILDREN THE OTHER DAY AND I WAS THE FIRST ONE HAS TO WALK RIGHT PAST ME WHEN I HAD THE GREEN LIGHT. IT'S JUST A MATTER OF TIME FOR ONE OF THE CHILDREN GET KILLED OR HURT BADLY. YOU ALREADY HEARD ABOUT THE TRAFFIC.E FLOODED IN IRMA, MY HUSBAND AND I DID AND MY SISTER AND MY NEIGHBOR DOWN THE STREET.

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>> MR. BOURRE: THANK YOU SO MUCH. WE HAVE ONE LAST COMMENT.

>> SPEAKER: KATY P. I AM EMILY PATE I LIVE AT 1982 CATTLE LANE.

I JUST ASK THAT YOU RESPECTFULLY CONSIDER KEEPING IT LARGELY ZONE FOR AGRICULTURE WHEN I MOVED OUT THERE THAT'S THE WAY IT WAS. AND TO KEEP IT TO ONE ACRE PER HOME. AND I ASK THAT YOU PLEASE CONSIDER THAT ALMOST EVERYTHING ELSE THAT I HAVE HER THIS EVENING. THANK YOU.

>> MR. BOURRE: THANK YOU. OKAY. SEEING NO ONE IS COMING UP WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMISSION.

I NOTE THAT WE ARE CONTINUING THIS. BUT IF THERE'S ANY THOUGHTS OR

BRIEF COMMENTS THAT ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO MAKE. >> SPEAKER: I JUST HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. MOSTLY TO CHAD. HOW MANY ACRES ARE WE TALKING

ABOUT ALL THIS? >> SPEAKER: YOU ARE ASKING ME A LOADED QUESTION.

>> SPEAKER: IT WAS IN HERE I THINK THAT'S Ã16.9, DOES THAT SOUND RIGHT?

>> CORRECT. >> SPEAKER: HIS DISTRICT IS THIS?

IS THIS MY PUBLIC DISTRICT? LEXUS WOULD BE HIS DISTRICT. >> SPEAKER: THE OTHER THING, WHAT IS ONLY TO BE DUE FOR SCHOOLS? IS IT PS ONE?

>> IS A PO ONE. >> SPEAKER: OKAY. SO WE DID HAVE TO CHANGE THAT

PROPERTY WENT BACK TO SCHOOL WENT IN THERE. >> SPEAKER: IT WAS A CHURCH.

FOR BEING A QUALIFIED CHARTER SCHOOL IT CAN QUALIFY UNDER PS ONE.

PUBLIC SCHOOL A STRAY PUBLIC SCHOOL. >> SPEAKER: THERE WAS NO ZONING

CHANGE WHEN IT CHANGED FROM THE CHURCH TO THE SCHOOL. >> SPEAKER: IF MEMORY SERVES IT

WAS OWNED PS ONE FOR THE CHURCH. >> SPEAKER: I REMEMBER WHEN IT WAS REZONED FOR THE CHURCH BECAUSE IT WAS A PRIVATE HOME AND WHEN THE CHURCH WENT IN THERE, WE CHANGED THE ZONING FOR THE CHURCH, BUT THE SCHOOL WAS ABLE TO GO THERE WITHOUT CHANGING THE ZONE AND THE OTHER THING I JUST WANTED TO ASK REAL QUICK WAS KEN SINCE I DON'T HAVE A MAP ON THIS, HOW FAR OFF OF 220 WITH THIS ADDRESS BE, 60?

HOW FAR DOWN? MAYBE ONE OF YOU COULD TELL ME. >> PROBABLY 5 TO 700 FEET

>> SO IS FAIRLY CLOSE IN. ALL RIGHT. I HAVE SOME COMMENTS AND THOUGHTS ON IT BUT I THINK WE SHOULD WAIT UNTIL WE ACTUALLY HEAR

>> SPEAKER: I AGREE. ANY OTHER COMMENTS FOR ME WHEN I HAVE A COMMENT.

I AM RELATIVELY NEW TO THE COMMISSION HAVING SERVED JUST OVER A YEAR AND I HAVE MADE AN EFFORT TO EDUCATE MYSELF AS TO OUR RULES OF PROCEDURE AND I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANY FORMAL RULES AT LEAST I HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO FIND THEM, BUT I THINK THIS IS MY FIRST TIME HEARING Ã BEING PRESENT FOR A HEARING WHERE AN ITEM HAS BEEN CONTINUED AND NOT HAVING RECEIVED ANY MATERIALS FOR IT AND I JUST WOULD LIKE TO SAY IS A MEMBER OF THE COMMISSION I UNDERSTAND THAT THIS HAS BEEN CONTINUED TO ANOTHER MEETING. WE ARE GOING TO HEAR THIS AGAIN. AND I JUST THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO HAVE SOME BACKGROUND WHEN WE SIT HERE AND HEAR THE CITIZENS WHO HAVE TAKEN THE TIME TO COME HERE AND SHARE THEIR CONCERNS, OUR EDUCATION PROCESS BEGAN TONIGHT AND IT WOULD'VE BEEN MORE EFFECTIVE IF I COULD HAVE HAD SOMETHING TO REFER TO. MANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS ARE FAMILIAR WITH THIS PROPERTY AND THESE THINGS AND I WAS BEGINNING TO GET A SENSE OF WHERE IT WAS. BUT IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT I AM VERY FAMILIAR WITH.

AND MY TIME COULD HAVE BEEN MORE EFFECTIVE, I COULD'VE DONE A BETTER JOB, I COULD HAVE UNDERSTOOD THINGS BETTER IF I HAD HAD A LITTLE BIT OF SOMETHING TO GO ON.

SO MY REQUEST WOULD BE IF POSSIBLE TO ADD LEAST HAVE SOME MAPS OR SOMETHING WITH AN AGENDA ITEM WHEN WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A HEARING AND AN AGENDA ITEM IS GOING TO BE CONTINUED

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IF AS PERMISSIBLE. >> MR. BOURRE: THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER.

ANY OTHER THOUGHTS OR COMMENTS ON THIS? >> SPEAKER: MY BIG TAKE AWAY ON THIS RIGHT NOW, HONESTLY, YOU KNOW, WE HEAR A LOT OF RESIDENTS BACK HOE AND DON'T WANT THEIR AREA CHANGED, THEY DON'T WANT ZONING CHANGES BASED ON THE WAY THEY PURCHASED AND THAT'S GREAT. OKAY?HE THING THAT BOTHERS ME THE MOST IS HEARING ABOUT THE KIDS WITH THE SCHOOLS AND THE TRAFFIC CONDITIONS. I DON'T REALLY WANT TO LET THIS GO A MONTH WITHOUT SOMEBODY TAKING A LOOK AT THIS A LITTLE FURTHER.

BECAUSE IT SEEMS TO BE A SERIOUS PROBLEM AND I THINK JIM CAN CHIME IN ON WHAT'S GOING ON BECAUSE I'M SURE THAT YOU BUST OUT OF THAT AREA? SO ÃABOUT THE OTHER RESIDENTS THAT LIVE IN THAT AREA. TWO OTHER RESIDENTS THAT LIVE IN THE AREA FOR THEIR KIDS BUST OUT OF THERE? DO THEY HAVE TO WALK TO A PUBLIC SCHOOL?

>> SPEAKER: YES. WE HAVE BUSES THAT SERVE AS THUNDERBOLTS ELEMENTARY SCHOOL AND THEY DO GO DOWN THAT PARTICULAR ROAD BECAUSE IT DOES BUT RIGHT UP TO THE BOAT.

>> SPEAKER: AND, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE RESIDENTS SAID THERE ARE NO SIDEWALKS AND I TRAVELED THE ROAD SEVERAL TIMES BUT NOT THAT OFTEN. IT'S BEEN A WHILE SINCE I'VE BEEN ON IT. IS THERE A DESIGNATED AREA THAT IS SAFE FOR THEM?

>> I LIVE OUT THERE SO I CAN TELL YOU THAT IS TO BE A GREAT ROAD TO RIDE MY BIKE DOWN.

I DON'T RIDE MY BIKE DOWN THE ROAD EITHER. SO THERE ARE NO SIDEWALKS.

THERE'S NO SHOULDERS BECAUSE THERE ARE DRAINAGE DITCHES ON EITHER SIDE.

IT'S A BEAUTIFUL ROAD BUT IS VERY TREACHEROUS TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT.

SO KIDS SHOULD NOT ÃWE DON'T ALLOW KIDS TO WALK IN THERE AS FAR AS GOING TO SCHOOL BECAUSE THEY ARE BLESSED. SOME KIDS MAY ESPECIALLY WITH THE CHARTER SCHOOL BECAUSE THE

CHARTER SCHOOL IS NOT SERVICED BY US. >> ARE NOT REALLY TRYING ÃI'M NOT TRYING TO OPEN ANY CAN OF WORMS. IS THERE ANY WAY WE CAN LOOK AT ANY OF THIS WHAT YOU CAN TAKE INTO ACCOUNT PRESENTING.> I AM VOICING ÃTHIS IS MY COMMENT. I AM NOT REFLECTING ANYTHING FROM ANYBODY HERE.

>> SPEAKER: IT HAS TO BE SEPARATE AND APART. >> SPEAKER: HAS A PARENT AND

GRANDPARENT, THIS CONCERN. >> IS A SEPARATE ISUE THAN THE ZONING ISSUE SO YOU CAN BRING THE BACK OF THE COMMISSION CONSCIOUSLY OR IF YOU WOULD LIKE THAT.

THAT'S NOT PART OF THE ZONING. >> SPEAKER: THANK YOU. >> MR. BOURRE: REJECT? BECAUSE YOU BROUGHT THAT UP TO SPEAK TO THE GENTLEMAN THAT SAID WE NEED TO PLAN AHEAD WE NEED TO LOOK AT REPERCUSSIONS WE NEED TO LOOK AT UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES THE BEST THING TO HAPPEN TO OLD HEART ROAD AS THEY PAID IT. THE WORST THING THAT HAPPENED IS THEY PAVED IT. BECAUSE WE DIDN'T TAKE A LOOK AT IT IN TOTAL.

THE COMMENTS ABOUT NO SIDEWALKS. THINGS AND DEVELOPMENTS COMING IN AND O FORTH. WE NEED TO DO A BETTER JOB OF THAT.

>> SPEAKER: THANK YOU. >> SPEAKER: WE ARE LOOKING FOR EMOTION.

>> SPEAKER: I WILL MOVE THIS ITEM OR MOVE TO CONTINUE THIS ITEM TO OUR MEETING ON DECEMBER 3. I MOVED TO CONTINUE THIS ITEM TO DECEMBER 3 AFTER 7:00 P.M.

OR SOON THEREAFTER AS IT CAN BE HEARD.

>> MR. BOURRE: I WANT TO TAKE A SECOND TO COME BACK TO THE GROUP.

FIRST THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. WE WOULD LOVE TO SEE OUR CLARKE COUNTY FAMILY, PARTICIPATE IN THESE MEETINGS ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU'RE PASSIONATE ABOUT SOMETHING LIKE THIS.

I DRIVE OLD HEART ROAD AT LEAST ONCE A DAY. GO BACK AND FORTH AND TAKE MY CHILDREN TO SCHOOL AND WE HAVE SEEN THE POLICE OFFICERS AND THE SPEED TRAP.

FORTUNATELY I NEVER HAD ANY WORDS WITH THEM BUT MY KIDS WILL WAVE IN THE WINDOW AS WE DRIVE OUT WHICH IS SWEET. SO I AM WELL AWARE ÃAND THIS GROUP WILL BECOME FOR THOSE WHO ARE NOT ALREADY WELL AWARE OF THE SITUATION OF THE AREA FACES BOTH WITH THE TRAFFIC FROM THE SCHOOL AND THE SOME OF THE OTHER ITEMS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT HERE.

I WOULD ENCOURAGE ALL OF YOU TO COME BACK AT THE DECEMBER 3 MEETING.

YOU CAN TAKE THE PODIUM WHERE YOU CAN WAVE AND SUPPORT OR DENIAL IF YOU'D LIKE TO.

HAVE A FEELING IT'S GOING TO BE A VERY PACKED MEETING. ENCOURAGE YOU TO COME BACK AND JOIN US AGAIN. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE THIS EVENING.

WE WILL MOVE TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TWO NUMBER PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER REGARDING APPLICATION Z19. YOU ARE WELCOME TO STAY OR THOSE IF YOU NEED TO LEAVE

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[2.  Public Hearing to Consider Rezoning Application Z-19-17 RA to PS-1]

NUMBER TWO PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER Z19 RA TO PS ONE. >> SPEAKER: THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION OF APPLICATION Z 1917 THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CHANGE IN ZONING FROM RA DPS ONE 27 ACRES LOCATED WITHIN THE OLD FRENCH CREEK FUTURE LAND USE CATEGORY.

THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CHANGE IN THE DOOR [INDISCERNIBLE] PREVIOUSLY NOT CONFORMED. THE SURROUNDING ZONING TO THE STATEMENT WOULD HAVE TWO CASES RC WHICH IS NONCONFORMING MOBILE HOME PARK TO THE SOUTH IS LAKE GENEVA AND TO THE WEST IS RA. THIS IS AERIAL VIEW OF THE SITE AND YOU CAN SEE THE EXISTING BUILDING DEFAULTS ARE CURRENTLY WORKING ON. STAFF HAS REVIEWED THE APPLICATION AND DETERMINED IT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE KAUKANA COMPATIBLE WITH THIS RUNNING

AREA WITH THAT WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL. >> MR. BOURRE: THANK YOU.

QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? >> SPEAKER: CHAD, THE ONE TO THE LEFT THAT I'M LOOKING AT

THE MAP IS AT A RESIDENTIAL HOME? >> SPEAKER: CORRECT.

>> SPEAKER: AND TO THE RIGHT >> SPEAKER: IS A NONCONFORMING MOBILE HOME PARK.

>> SPEAKER: OKAY. THERE'S NOT VERY MANY MOBILE HOMES ON IT.

OR TREES. >> SPEAKER: THEY ARE THERE.> SPEAKER: WELL.

>> MR. BOURRE: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? OKAY.

IS THE APPLICANT HERE THIS EVENING? WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME UP AND Ã

AGAIN WE NEED YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS. >> SPEAKER: I AM CARRY AT 6317 DENISON AVENUE, KEYSTONE HEIGHTS. WE ARE LOCATED ÃWE ARE HOPING TO BE LOCATED AT 7790 STATE RD. 100 FOR A CHURCH. WE HAVE BEEN WORKING IN THE HIGH RIDGE ESTATES NEIGHBORHOOD WHICH IS A LOW INCOME NEIGHBORHOOD AND KEYSTONE.

WE HAVE BEEN WORKING THERE ABOUT THREE YEARS AND WE ARE AT A PLACE WHERE WE WOULD LOVE TO HAVE A BUILDING AND BE ABLE TO OFFER MORE SERVICES TO OUR COMMUNITY AND ESPECIALLY HIGH RIDGE ESTATES. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME AM GLAD TO ANSWER THEM, BUT

THAT'S REALLY ALL I HAVE TO TELL YOU. >> MR. BOURRE: IS THE INTENT TO RENOVATE THE BUILDING THAT'S THERE OR IS IT TO BUILD A NEW CHURCH THERE? STATEMENT TO RENOVATE THE BUILDING THAT SCARED. WE ARE A SMALL CHURCH.

>> SPEAKER: WE HAVE MET ON SITE AND THOUGHT OVER WHAT USED TO BE THERE.

THERE'S ASPHALT IT CAN BE SALVAGED, THERE ARE SOME MATERIAL STUFF THAT HAS TO BE DONE TO THE BUILDING SO THERE'S AN INNOVATION FACTOR THERE BUT LUCKILY THEY HAVE ENOUGH SITES THAT THEY HOPEFULLY DON'T HAVE TOO MUCH EXPENSE OF HAVING TO EXPAND AND DO A LITTLE BIT

MORE. A GOOD FIND. >> SPEAKER: I NOTICED THAT THE APPLICATION AND OWNER'S AFFIDAVIT SIGNED BY PATRICK STIERS.

COULD YOU EXPLAIN HIS RELATIONSHIP TO THE FLORIDA DISTRICT THE WESLEYAN CHURCH?

>> HATES THE DISTRICT SUPERINTENDENT FOR THE WESLEYAN CHURCHES IN FLORIDA SO HE'S MY

DIRECT SUPERVISOR. >> SPEAKER: THANK YOU. >> MR. BOURRE: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE THIS EVENING.

OKAY. WE WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

ANYBODY WHO HAS ANY COMMENT PLEASE COME UP TO THE PODIUM. SAYING THAT WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING AND BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMISSION. AND AT THIS POINT IS THEIR

DISCUSSION? >> SPEAKER: I MOVED TO APPROVE.

[3.  Public Hearing to Consider Rezoning Application Z-19-15 BA-2 to BB-3]

>> MR. BOURRE: MOTION CARRIES. THANKS FOR BEING HERE. WE WILL LIVE TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 3 PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER REZONING APPLICATION Z Ã49 Ã15 FROM PA ÃTWO NUMBER

TWO BB Ã3. >> THIS IS APPLICATION Z 1915 THEY ARE REQUESTING JACALYN

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SURROUNDING AREAS WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL. >> MR. BOURRE: THANK YOU MR. LYONS. IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF?

>> SPEAKER: I JUST HAVE ONE. DOES THIS FALL WITHIN THE OVERLAYING AREA ON 218?

>> NO, IT DOES NOT. CLAY HALL IS ÃTHE OVERLAY IS ON 218 SO THIS IS CLOSE TO

MIDDLEBURG TO BE PART OF THAT TRIP >> SPEAKER: YES.

>> MR. BOURRE: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? IS THE APPLICANT HERE THIS EVENING? WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME UP TO THE PODIUM?

>> SPEAKER: I AND ERIC AND I LEFT AT 3790 [INDISCERNIBLE] LANE.

MY WIFE AND I OWN THIS PROPERTY FOR 10+ YEARS AND JUST RECENTLY WE DECIDED TO PUT IT UP FOR SALE FOR DIFFERENT REASONS. WE HAVE HAD NUMEROUS INTEREST IN IT AT ONE GUY THAT'S INTERESTED IN IT AFTER TALKING WITH HIM HE KINDA WANTS TO DO WITH IT IS WHAT'S COMPATIBLE AND WHAT'S ALREADY THERE. THERE IS AN AUTOMOTIVE PLACE WHERE THEY WORK ON OUR MOTIVES NOT TOO FAR FROM THERE AND THEN ON DOWN THERE'S A STORAGE PLACE.

WHAT HE WANTS TO DO WITH IT IS ROUGHLY WAS ALREADY THERE IN THAT AREA RIGHT NOW.

SO THAT'S WHY WE ARE ASKED CHANGING. WE DECIDED THIS IS PROBABLY THE ZONING THAT WE NEEDED. ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? THANK YOU, SIR. APPRECIATE BEING HERE. WE HOPE WILL BRING IT BACK Ã OPEN UP PUBLIC HEARING. SEEING NOBODY APPROACHED THE PODIUM WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING AND BRING US BACK TO THE COMMISSION FOR DISCUSSION AND EMOTION.

ANYBODY? >> SPEAKER: EMOTION. >> SPEAKER: I WILL MOVE THE STAFF REPORT.

COMMENT. >> MR. BOURRE: WE HAVE A FIRST AND A SECOND.

ANY DISCUSSION? >> SPEAKER: YES. I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT THIS IS ALREADY PRETTY MUCH BB ALL AROUND THE SAME. I DON'T KNOW IF THE ADVOCATE SAID IT BUT I WANTED TO POINT OUT ONE THING THAT TO ME IS A LITTLE BIT OF A BREATH OF FRESH AIR AROUND HERE IS IN THE STAFF REPORT SAYS THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CHANGE FROM MORE OPTIONS FOR MARKETING THE PROPERTY. THANK YOU FOR BEING FORTHRIGHT BECAUSE WE GET PEOPLE COMING AND YOU'RE TELLING US THE CRAZIEST STORIES JUST TO TRY TO GET A ZONING CHANGE THE DOESN'T ALWAYS MAKE SENSE. THIS ONE ACTUALLY MAKES SENSE AND I'M GLAD THAT YOU ARE UPFRONT ABOUT IT. SO THAT'S IT.

>> MR. BOURRE: ABSOLUTELY. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?

>> MR. BOURRE: MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE.

ALL RIGHT. WE ARE GOING TO MOVE INTO OLD BUSINESS OR NEW BUSINESS DO WE HAVE ANY?EEING THEM, WE WILL OPEN THE FILE PUBLIC COMMENT. SEEING NOBODY APPROACHING THE PODIUM, WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT. AND BARRING ANYTHING

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