Dec 09, 2025 BCC Agenda

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>> ALL RIGHT. SORRY ABOUT THAT. PLEASE RISE FOR THE INVOCATION LED BY COMMISSIONER COMPERE.

>> PLEASE BOW. HEAVENLY FATHER, WE COME BEFORE YOU THIS AFTERNOON TO SAY, THANK YOU, LORD, FOR WAKING US UP THIS MORNING, FOR EVERY BLESSING WE GET TO ENJOY. LORD, AS WE COME TOGETHER THIS AFTERNOON, I'M ASKING YOU, LORD, FOR HELP. LORD, WOULD YOU GIVE US AN UNDERSTANDING MIND AND A HEARING HEART IN ORDER TO GOVERN YOUR PEOPLE WELL.

YOU HAVE TO BE THE ONE THAT GIVES US DIRECTION, LORD.

WE PRAY THAT YOU WOULD BE WITH EVERYTHING THAT WE DO AND SAY.

GOD, GIVE US EYES THAT SEE CLEARLY AND THE ABILITY TO NAVIGATE THE DIFFICULTIES, LORD, WITH WISDOM. WE ARE ASKING YOU, LORD, FOR YOUR GRACE AND PROTECTION, YOUR MERCY ON CLAY COUNTY.

TO HAVE YOUR WAY, LORD, IN AA SPECIAL DISPENSATION OF PEACE AND COMFORT OVER THE CONDON FAMILY, LORD, AS THEY EXPERIENCE THEIR LOSS.

PRAY, LORD, THAT YOU WOULD ENVELOPE THEM WITH YOUR COMFORT AND YOUR GRACE IN THIS TIME.

WE THANK YOU, LORD. WE LOVE YOU.

IT'S IN THE NAME OF JESUS I PRAY.

AMEN.

>> AMEN.

>> ALL RIGHT. OUR VETERAN- LED PLEDGE TODAY IS BY CHIEF PETTY OFFICER JESSICA HUDSON, AND DR. HUDSON HONORABLY SERVED IN THE UNITED STATES NAVY FOR MORE THAN 20 YEARS, RETIRING IN 2019.

SHE SERVED AS AN AIR WARFARE INTELLIGENCE SPECIALIST AT COMMANDS NATIONWIDE, INCLUDING JOINT INTELLIGENCE COMMAND CENTRAL AND COASTAL RIVER SQUADRON 10 UNDER NAVY CENTRAL INTELLIGENCE COMMAND AT JACKSONVILLE. SHE SERVED OVERSEAS IN IRAQ WITH THE JOINT SPECIAL OPERATIONS COMMAND. A HIGHLY DECORATED VETERAN, DR. HUDSON EARNED THREE NAVY AND MARINE CORPS ACHIEVEMENT MEDALS. GLOBAL WAR ON TERRORISM SERVICE MEDAL AND TWO NAVY SEA SERVICE DEPLOYMENT RIBBONS, AMONG OTHERS.

SHE'S ALSO QUALIFIED AS AN EXPERT MARKSMAN IN BOTH RIFLE AND PISTOL. YOU DON'T WANT TO MESS WITH HER. DR. HUDSON JOINED THE NAVY IN RESPONSE TO A CALLING TO SERVE SOMETHING GREATER THAN HERSELF AND THROUGH HER YEARS OF SERVICE, SHE LEARNED WHILE MOTIVATION CAN START THE JOURNEY, IT IS DISCIPLINE AND PURPOSE THAT CARRY YOU THROUGH IT.

A PROUD MIDDLEBURG RESIDENT, DR. HUDSON CONTINUES TO SERVE HER COMMUNITY AS A CHIROPRACTOR. SHE COVERS MY OFFICE IF I HAVE TO GO SOMEWHERE LIKE TALLAHASSEE LAST WEEKEND.

I'M SO APPRECIATIVE TO HER FOR THAT ALSO.

SHE ALSO GIVES BACK THROUGH CHARITABLE SUPPORT FOR LOCAL SERVICES, ASSISTING VICTIMS OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE, AS WELL AS ORGANIZATIONS THAT HELP PREGNANT MOTHERS AND FATHERS WITH COUNSELING AND ESSENTIAL BABY SUPPLIES. WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE TO OUR NATION AND FOR CONTINUED COMMITMENT TO OUR COMMUNITY. IF YOU COULD PLEASE LEAD US IN THE PLEDGE AND SAY A FEW WORDS.

>> I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION, UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

>> AMEN.

>> THANK YOU. FIRST OF ALL, I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HAVING ME HERE. IT'S AN HONOR. I DON'T REALLY HAVE A HECK OF A LOT TO SAY. IT'S GOOD THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE. I ENJOYED MY 20- YEAR CAREER, AND I THINK LIKE WITH ALL OF YOU, WE GET STARTED, AND WE JUST RETIRE FROM SOMETHING BUT WE JUST CONTINUE TO WANT TO SERVE OUR COMMUNITY AND OUR NATION, SO I JUST WANT TO SAY, THANKS AGAIN FOR HAVING ME HERE. THE MILITARY BROUGHT ME HERE TO JACKSONVILLE IN 2008, AND I'VE BEEN A PROUD RESIDENT OF CLAY COUNTY FOR THE PAST THREE YEARS AND ALWAYS LOOKING FOR THE NEXT OPPORTUNITY TO SERVE THIS COMMUNITY. THANK YOU SO MUCH AGAIN, AND GO, NAVY, BEAT ARMY.

>> HEAR THAT?

[CALL TO ORDER]

>> CALL TO ORDER OF THE BOARD OF

[PET ADOPTIONS]

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>> OKAY. FIRST, WE HAVE JILL, DOMESTIC SHORT HAIR, 3 MONTHS OLD, WEIGHS 2.5 POUNDS. JILL IS A FANCY SIAMESE- LOOKING KITTEN WITH PRINCESS VIBES AND COMEDIAN ENERGY. SHE'LL POSE LIKE ROYALTY ONE MOMENT AND TRIP OVER HER PAWS THE NEXT.

CUTE, CUDDLY AND DELIGHTFULLY SILLY, JILL IS READY TO MAKE YOU LAUGH AND STEAL YOUR HEART. NEXT WE HAVE ACORN.

A BIG BOY WITH A BIG OLD SMILE, STRIKING BLACK AND WHITE FUR, AND BRINDLE MARKINGS SO HANDSOME THEY SHOULD COME WITH A WARNING. AND THOSE BROWS. PURE COMIC GENIUS. CHILL, CHARMING, AND READY TO STEAL YOUR HEART AND YOUR SPOT ON THE COUCH. NEXT, WE HAVE BABY BOO, A NEUTERED MALE DOMESTIC SHORT HAIR, 3 MONTHS OL AND WEIGHS 3.5 POUNDS.

THIS STRIKING LITTLE GUY IS GORGEOUS, PLAYFUL AND FULL OF CURIOSITY. BABY BOO LOVES EXPLORING, AND CURLING UP FOR SNUGGLES, MAKING HIM THE PERFECT PINT- SIZE COMPANION FOR A LOVING HOME. NEXT, WE HAVE GRIFFIN.

HE'S A YEAR OLD AND WEIGHS 40 POUNDS. GRIFFIN IS A BOUNCY, FAST, FUN-LOVING PUP WHO'S ALL ABOUT ZOOMIES, SPRINTS, AND PLAYFUL JUKES.

WITH HIS TUCK AND ROLL ENERGY AND ENDLESS ENTHUSIASM, HE'S PERFECT FOR AN ACTIVE HOME THAT LOVES RUNNING, PLAYING, AND KEEPING UP WITH A WHIRLWIND OF TAIL- WAGGING FUN.

IF YOU'RE READY TO MEET YOUR NEW BEST FRIEND, OUR ADOPTABLE ANIMALS ARE WAITING TO ADD SOME EXTRA LOVE AND FUN TO YOUR LIFE FROM WAGGING TAILS TO PURRING KITTIES. WE'VE GOT THE PERFECT COMPANION JUST FOR YOU. YOU WANT TO SEE WHO'S AVAILABLE, YOU CAN HEAD OVER TO OUR WEBSITE AND MEET OUR ADORABLE CREW, LOOKING FOR THEIR FOREVER HOMES. IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, YOU CAN DROP US A LINE AND WE'LL CHAT.

DON'T WAIT. YOUR NEW BEST FRIEND IS JUST A CLICK AWAY. AND PICTURED THERE IS A LITTLE KITTEN NAME HARRY. THEY ARE ALWAYS IN NEED OF FOSTER HOMES WHERE THEY CANCAN GROW, RECEIVE SOCIALIZATION, AND GET THE CARE THAT THEY NEED UNTIL THEY ARE READY FOR ADOPTION. COULD YOU PROVIDE HARRY AND ONE OF HER SIBLINGS A TEMPORARY HOME? AND LASTLY, IF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN HELPING OUR FURRY FRIENDS BUT CAN'T BRING ONE HOME, PLEASE TAKE A LOOK AT OUR AMAZON WISHWISH LIST. WE ARE ALWAYS IN NEED OF ITEMS FOR THE SHELTER ANIMALS. JUST GO TO AMAZON.COM.

[Recognition of Outgoing Chair]

ADOPTIONS. >> ALL RIGHT.

IF MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS COULD JOIN ME UP FRONT FOR A PRESENTATION.

>> ALL RIGHT. SO, SERVING AS BCC CHAIR IS A SIGNIFICANT RESPONSIBILITY, AND DISTRICT 4 COMMISSIONER BETSY CONDON SERVED THE ROLE WITH DEDICATION. UNDER HER LEADERSHIP ON THE BOARD THIS LAST YEAR WAS A YEAR OF MILESTONES AND NEW BEGINNINGS. THE BOARD RESPONDED TO GOVERNORGOVERNOR DESANTIS'S DEPARTMENT OF GOVERNMENT EFFICIENCY, DEMONSTRATING ITS CONTINUED DEDICATION TO FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY, TRANSPARENCY AND ACCOUNTABILITY IN GOVERNMENT. WE SECURED MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN LEGISLATIVE APPROPRIATIONS TO STRENGTHEN PUBLIC SAFETY AND EXPAND TRAILS AND ROADWAY INFRASTRUCTURE. AMONG OTHER QUALITY OF LIFE IMPROVEMENTS. OUR FOCUS REMAINED ON STRENGTHENING PUBLIC SAFETY AND SUPPORTING LAW ENFORCEMENT, AND WE ALLOTTED MILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO DO JUST THAT. WE OPENED THE NEW STATE-OF-THE- ART FIRE STATION 20 AND CELEBRATED THE CONSTRUCTION OF FIRE STATIONS 1 AND 22.

WE CONTINUE TO WORK TOWARDTOWARD AND REPLACEMENT FIRE STATIONS TO SUPPORT OUR GROWING COMMUNITY. OUR STAFF INSTALLED MORE THAN 200 PUBLIC AEDS ACROSS THE COUNTY. WE BEGAN CONSTRUCTION ON THE NEW ANIMAL SERVICES BUILDING, AND WE OPENED NEW AVENUES FOR OUR COMMUNITY WITH A PARTNERSHIP.

CHEWY HEALTH PLEDGED A MILLION DOLLAR DONATION, MADE IN PARTNERSHIP WITH LINCOLN MEMORIAL UNIVERSITY TO SUPPORT THE CONSTRUCTION OF AN INNOVATIVE, EDUCATIONAL SPACE WITHIN THE NEW FACILITY.

WE COMPLETED MAJOR ROAD PROJECTS, INCLUDING A NEW ROAD, CATHEDRAL OAK PARKWAY. OTHER MAJOR ROAD PROJECTS THAT WILL IMPROVE SAFETY AND TRAVEL, INCLUDING COUNTY ROAD 220 ARE WELL UNDER WAY. ON BEHALF OF THE BOARD AND STAFF, WE EXTEND OUR SINCERE THANKS TO COMMISSIONER CONDON FOR HER DEDICATION AND SERVICE.

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>> HOW ABOUT BEHIND THE DAIS, CHAIR?

[CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICERS]

>> WE'LL MOVE ON TO CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICERS.

I KNOW OUR COMPTROLLER AND CLERK COURT HAS AN UPDATE.

>> I DO. REAL BRIEFLY.

I PROVIDED WITH YOU KIND OF A SUMMARY, JUST A QUICK UPDATE ON THE END OF YEAR, '24- '25 INVESTMENTS. YOU CAN SEESEE ON LEFT, THE LIST OF ALL THE POOLS THAT WE HAVE, INCLUDING OUR BANK ACCOUNT THAT WE HAVE THE CASH IN. AND THEN ALL THE DIFFERENT INVESTMENTS, THE BANK BOND INVESTMENTS, U.S. BANK, OUR SLUGS, AND THEN THE FLORIDA PALM BOND INVESTMENTS ARE THE 65 -- THE 2024 BOND SERIES, THE $65 MILLION.

YOU CAN SEE THAT'S BEING SPENT DOWN.

JUST TO NOTE FOR GENERAL PUBLIC, THESE MONIES ARE MONIES THAT WE INVEST TO GET A LITTLE BIT OF RETURN ON OUR DOLLARS WHILE WE WAIT FOR PROJECTS TO COME DUE, BILLS TO BE PAID, CASH BEING NEEDED, OPERATING CASH IN THE BANK.

BUT YOU'LL SEE IN '23- '24, A LITTLE BIT BETTER OF A YEAR WITH 21 -- ABOUT $21 MILLION IN RETURN. THIS LAST FISCAL YEAR, ABOUT $18. 8 MILLION. OBVIOUSLY, BECAUSE INTEREST RATES COMING DOWN. BUT STILL DOING FAIRLY WELL.

SO I JUST WANTED TO PROVIDE YOU WITH THAT UPDATE.

>> AWESOME. THANK

YOU. >> MADAM CHAIR, A QUICK QUESTION FOR THE CLERK.

I WAS LOOKING AT THIS. VERY INTERESTING.

FROM '21 TO '22 TO THE '22-'23, IT WENT FROM 2.5 TO $17 MILLION. DID IT GET REALLY HOT?

>> YEAH, THAT WAS THE MARKET. WE CAPITALIZED ON IT AND NOW WE'RE HAVING TO KEEP AN EYE ON THE MARKET WITH WHAT'S GOING ON POLITICALLY AND IN THE NEW YEAR TO MAKE SURE WE'RE STILL GETTING A DECENT RETURN WITH THE

INTEREST RATES GOING DOWN. >> THANKS.

>> MORTGAGE RATES WERE 2%.

>> RIGHT, RIGHT.

>> NOW IT'S FLIPPING.

>> ALL RIGHT, ANY OTHER CONSULTATION? SHERIFF'S OFFICE, ANYONE?

[APPROVAL OF MINUTES]

>> I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONER MEETINGS FROM NOVEMBER

2025. >> SECOND-

>> I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.

[PUBLIC COMMENTS]

ALL RIGHT, SO, WE ARE GOING TO GO TO OUR FIRST PUBLIC COMMENT. THIS PORTION OF THE AGENDA IS DESIGNED TO ALLOW CITIZENS AN OPPORTUNITY TO BRING MATTERS TO THE ATTENTION OF THE BOARD.

AT THIS TIME, THE BOARD WILL NOT ENGAGE IN DEBATE OR ANSWER QUESTIONS. YOU MAY EMAIL ASKCLAY@CLAYCOUNTYGOV.COM. PUBLIC COMMENT CARDS ARE CONVENIENTLY PLACED AT THE MEETING ROOM ENTRANCE AND SHOULD BE SUBMITTED ON THE FAR LEFT OF THE DAIS.

YOU ARE TO LIMIT YOUR COMMENTS TO THREE MINUTES. BEFORE ADDRESSING THE BOARD, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. I WOULD LIKE TO OPEN THE FIRST PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD AT TODAY'S MEETING.

ALL RIGHT, MY FIRST COMMENT CARD IS FROM TERESA.

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>> I THINK Y'ALL HAVE MY ADDRESS ON FILE. COUNTY COMMISSIONERS, ELECTED OFFICIALS AND COUNTY STAFF, ONCE AGAIN I STAND IN FRONT OF YOU TO REMIND YOU AND EVERYONE WATCHING THIS MEETING FOR LOCAL DECISIONS THAT NO LOCAL DECISIONS AT THIS LEVEL CAN BE CONSIDERED THE WILL OF CLAY COUNTY CITIZENS BECAUSE WE ARE NOW BEING GOVERNED BY AUTHORITARIANS IN WASHINGTON AND TALLAHASSEE WHO I BELIEVE ARE BEING THREATENED AND BLACKMAILED BY MANY FACTIONS, ALLOWED TO PURCHASE OUR NATION AND ITS GOVERNMENT. JFK WARNED US OF THIS.

WHERE IS HE? AT PRESENT, TALLAHASSEE IS PROPOSING TO ELIMINATE PROPERTY TAXES, CAUSING AN $80 MILLION SHORTFALL FOR OUR COUNTY. I'M ALL FOR CUTTING TAXES FOR AMERICAN CITIZENS BUT ONLY IF IT'S REPLACED WITH INCREASED TAXES FOR THE OLIGARCHY. EVERY ONE OF THE REPUBLICANS AMASSED IN THIS ROOM THAT VOTED FOR THIS, IT'S A BLOODBATH ON YOUR HANDS. YOUR HATRED FOR THE OTHER HALF OF YOUR CONSTITUENTS WHO ARE TELLING YOU THIS REGIME HAS A PLAN AND IT'S WRITTEN DOWN IN A MANUSCRIPT CALLED PROJECT 2025.

I SUGGEST YOU TAKE THE TIME TO READ IT, ESPECIALLY IF YOUR MELANIN COUNT IS HIGH. IT'S NOW 54% COMPLETE AND THE OTHER 50% IS COMING AND MUCH SCARIER.

THE NEW NATIONAL SECURITY STRATEGY IS SIDING WITH RUSSIA OVER EUROPEAN ALLIES. I HAVE THE QUESTION FOR VETERANS SUPPORTING THIS. WHERE ARE OUR NEW PORTS OF CALL? I THINK YOUR STANCE OF SUPPORTING THIS AND OUT OF ALLIANCE WITH THE MILITARIES YOU TRAINED WITH AND PORTS OF CALL WHO WERE ALWAYS WELCOME AND SUPPORTIVE AND BEAUTIFUL, SUCH AS SPAIN, ITALY, FRANCE, ET CETERA. IT'S QUITE DANGEROUS AND SELFISH TO OUR PRESENT TROOPS, MY KIDS INCLUDED.

DO WE HAVE A FRIENDLY PORT ANYMORE? NO. WE ARE THE PIRANHAS OF THE SEAS, EATING UP DINGIES WITH MILLION DOLLAR BOMBS.

THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO BUT ACCEPT THIS. YOU ARE WEAK, SCARED LITTLE BIT NOBODIES WHO WENT TO GET THROUGH TOUGH AND CORRECTING ME, A WOMAN, WHO ALMOST OLD ENOUGH TO BE YOUR MOM FOR SAYING A FOUR- LETTER WORD. PATHETIC AS CRAP.

STOP SUPPORTING THIS COUP AND GET THE HECK OFF OF YOUR BUTTS. YOU MIGHT HEAR ME OR MINE SAY A CUSS WORD, BUT YOU'LL NEVER HEAR EITHER OF US DIRECT ANYONE SUCH AS, QUIET, PIGGY. THANKS FOR OUR SIDEWALK WILL COME WHEN I SEE IT, AND THE KIDS ARE SAFE AS PROSPECTS FOR ANY PROGRESS IN THE FUTURE IS GRIM. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENTS?

[CONSENT AGENDA]

>> I'D LIKE TO PULL NUMBER 7. NUMBER 2.

I'M SORRY.

>> 2 AND 7?

>> NO, JUST 2.

>> I'D LIKE TO PULL NUMBER 3. ITEM 3,

PLEASE. >> THREE AS WELL.

>> WHAT WAS YOUR NUMBER?

>> THREE. >> OKAY.

ANYTHING ELSE? ALL RIGHT, I'LL TAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ALL OF THOSE EXCEPT FOR TWO, THREE -- TWO AND THREE.

>> AND SEVEN. >>

AND SEVEN. >> JUST TWO AND

THREE. >> I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA MINUS

[2.  Finance Business]

>> SECOND THE MOTION. >> ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT.

NUMBER 2.

>> NUMBER 2, I JUST WANT TO MAKE NOTE, AND I -- I JUST CAN'T -- WE HAD THREE PAYMENTS TO EXPRESS SCRIPTS THIS PAY PERIOD TOTALIN $447,049. I MEAN, THAT'S -- THAT'S ALMOST A HALF MILLION DOLLARS IN A MONTH. LESS THAN A MONTH. SO, I JUST CAN'T BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE DRUG -- JUST DRUG EXPENDITURES OF A HALF MILLION DOLLARS PER MONTH. THAT JUST, TO ME, JUST SEEMS UNFATHOMABLE. SO, I DON'T KNOW WHAT -- YOU KNOW, WITH HIPAA IT'S SO DAMN HARD -- EXCUSE ME.

IT'S SO HARD TO, YOU KNOW, RECONCILE BILLS AS SUCH. I DON'T KNOW.

THERE SHOULD BE A WAY THAT WE CAN CHECK THAT TO MAKE ME FEEL COMFORTABLE SPENDING A HALF MILLION DOLLARS A MONTH, AT LEAST A HALF MILLION A MONTH OF JUST DRUGS. NOT MEDICAL TREATMENT. THIS IS JUST DRUGS.

SO, I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE CAN DO.

I'M LOOKING FOR SOMEBODY TO HELP ME UNDERSTAND IT.

>> ANYONE?

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>> THROUGH THE CHAIR, THAT'S ACTUALLY PROBABLY ABOUT TWO MONTHS WORTH OF BILLS DUE TO SOME OVERLAPPING AND STAFF.

BUT AS WE SAW IN TALLAHASSEE, THEY SAID THAT WAS THEIR BIGGEST PROBLEM, ONE OF THEIR BIGGEST ISSUES TOO WAS MEDICARE OR MEDICAL EXPENSES OF PHARMACY WHEN YOU'VE GOT SOME MEDICATIONS COSTS HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS, POTENTIALLY, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU START GETTING THE SPECIALTY CARE. I'LL REASSURE THE BOARD THAT THERE'S BASICALLY THREE LEVELS OF REVIEW ON THIS.

WE'VE GOT OUR PARTNERS AT ESI CRUMDALE, WHICH IS A PARTNERSHIP, REVIEWING IT, MAKING SURE EVERYTHING IS RIGHT WITH, IS IT A NECESSARY DRUG? ARE WE GOING THROUGH THE RIGHT PROCESS? WE HAVE OUR PARTNERS AT BAILEY GROUP REVEALING IT AND WE HAVE OUR INTERNAL STAFF REVIEWING. SO, TO THE EXTENT POSSIBLE, BUT TO YOUR POINT, WE CAN ONLY DIG SO FAR. I CAN'T, YOU KNOW -- WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE MEDICATIONS THE DOCTORS ARE PRESCRIBING, OTHER THAN IT'S BEEN PRESCRIBED AND IT'S A VALID MEDICATION.

>> LET ME -- MAYBE YOU CAN CLARIFY.

THESE AREN'T SPECIALTY DRUGS.

I MEAN -- >> WELL, IT'S EVERYTHING.

>> IT'S EVERYTHING? IT GOES THROUGH EXPRESS SCRIPTS, EVEN CHEMOTHERAPY?

>> MAYBE NOT CHEMOTHERAPY.

>> THOSE TYPE DRUGS ARE -- THEY'RE EXPENSIVE.

I UNDERSTAND THAT.

>> SPECIALTY DRUGS ARE ON THAT BILL.

IF YOU HAVE, I MEAN, NOT TO GET TOO DEEP INTO IT BUT WE HAVE CERTAIN INDIVIDUALS WHO GET AN INJECTION ONCE A YEAR, AND THAT INJECTION, IF IT HITS THAT ONE BILL, MAY BE AN $80,000 INJECTION. THAT WAS ONE OF YOUR HITS ON THE FIRST OF THE YEAR LAST YEAR.

SO, THERE ARE SOME VERY EXPENSIVE DRUGS AND THEY DO SHOW UP ON THAT SAME BILL.

>> AND THERE'S THINGS SUCH AS

GLP. >> AND THE CHANGING RULES.

WE DO HAVE A MULTILAYER PROCESS TO REVIEW THESE BILLS. IT'S NOT JUST SOMEBODY ON STAFF HITTING THE BUTTON AND SAYING, I BELIEVE.

I KNOW YOU AND I HAVE HAD THIS CONVERSATION. IF I COULD SOLVE THE DRUG PROBLEM --

>> DO OUR CONSULTANTS HAVE THE SAME LIMITATIONS THAT WE DO?

>> CRUMDALE AND ESI DO NOT. THEY CAN SEE EVERYTHING. THEY HAVE THE DOCTORS AND NURSES THAT ACTUALLY REVIEW TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE FOLLOWING PROPER MEDICAL INTERVENTION.

AND I WOULD REMIND YOU, THIS IS NOT JUST THE BOARD BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS. THIS IS BETWEEN ALL 2,000 EMPLOYEES, US, THE SHERIFF, ALL THE CONSTITUTIONALS AND DEPENDENTS THAT ARE ON OUR PLAN.

>> IT JUST SEEMS LIKE A LOT OF MONEY.

>> YES, SIR. >> OKAY.

THANK YOU. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM NUMBER 2.

>> OKAY. A SECOND?

>> I'LL SECOND.

>> ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED?

[3.  Bid No. 25/26-010, Construction of Radar Road (K. Smith)]

>> I PULLED THIS ITEM FOR DISCUSSION. I HAVE NO ISSUE WITH THE ITEM.

I WANTED TO PULL IT TO DISCUSS THAT THE -- WHEN WE HAD EIGHT BIDDERS THAT SUBMITTEDSUBMITTED BIDS, AND I THINK THAT'S GREAT, AND I THINK THAT'S PARTIALLY WHY THE MONEY -- THE BID CAME IN SO FAR UNDER BUDGET. I THINK PRICES ARE STARTING TO COME DOWN.

BUT ALSO, WHEN I WAS TALKING TO RICHARD AND TROY, ASKING ABOUT IT, THE ORIGINAL PROJECT HAD INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS AT 17, BUT THEN D.O.T. REJECTED THOSE. ANYWAY, MY ISSUE IS THIS IS NOT A HIT ON REG. DON'T PUT ME ON SANTA'S BAD LIST. BUT IF MONEY IS SITTING THERE, IT TENDS TO EVAPORATE. AND I THINK WE NEED TO BE INTENTIONAL ABOUT TELLING OUR MONEY WHERE TO GO. NUMBER TWO, WE FOUR WENT -- IS THAT GRAMMATICALLY CORRECT? WE FOUR WENT TO THE LIBRARY PARKING LOT RESURFACING PROJECT AND WE SACRIFICED IT TO DO OTHER THINGS, WHICH WAS APPROPRIATE, BUT I ASKED RICHARD ABOUT THAT SPECIFICALLY, AND SO -- AND THEN, WHEN I WAS ASKING ABOUT IT, KAREN SAID, WELL, THERE COULD BE OVERAGES, CHANGE ORDERS, AND THOSE ARE DIRTY WORDS. I HATE THE WORDS, CHANGE ORDER.

BUT THERE'S LIKE $2.6 MILLION THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE USED. AND SO, KAREN WAS LIKE, COULD YOU LEAVE A LITTLE BIT OF IT IN THERE? WHAT I WAS GOING TO ASK IS, COULD WE TAKE THAT $2 MILLION AND TROY SAID BECAUSE THIS IS IMPACT FEE MONEY SO IT HAS TO BE USED BUT HE SAID WE COULD TAKE THAT $2 MILLION AND APPLY IT TO 220, WHICH IS ALSO AN IMPACT FEE ROAD, AND THEN FREEFREE CIP

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AWAY. >> MADAM CHAIR.

>> YES. >> NO, 100%, THAT'S WHY I PULLED THE ITEM AS WELL. AND I GUESS THIS SHOULD BE A QUESTION FOR MAYBE TROY.

THE CURRENT FUNDING SOURCE IS IMPACT FEE DISTRICT 3, SO WOULD THOSE ALLOCATED MONIES BE -- THEY'RE GOING TO STAY IN THAT IMPACT FEE DISTRICT, CORRECT?

>> THEY HAVE TO STAY IN IMPACT FEE DISTRICT. WE'D HAVE TO MAKE SURE, IF YOU'RE GOING TO USE THEM, THEY HAVE TO GO TO A PROJECT -- THIS IS NOT MOBILITY FEES.

THESE ARE OLD IMPACT FEES. LET'S MAKE SURE WE'RE CLEAR ON THAT. THEY HAVE TO GO TO THAT DISTRICT. WHAT I WAS SAYING IS YOU HAVE OTHER PROJECTS YOUR DOING, LIKE 220, IN THAT DISTRICT, SO YOU COULD SAME YOU'RE GOING TO FUND THOSE PROJECTS WITH THE IMPACT FEE DOLLARS. I'M LOOKING TOWARD THE COUNTY ATTORNEY. THAT WOULDN'T BE A PROBLEM FROM A BUDGET PERSPECTIVE.

AND THEN BASICALLY FREE UP CIP DOLLARS. SO, THAT WOULD BE, I THINK, WHAT COMMISSIONER CONDON IS REFERRING TO AND YOUR CIP DOLLARS ARE

MORE -- >> FLEXIBLE?

>> FLEXIBLE ON WHERE YOU USE THEM.

>> GOOD DEAL. THE SECOND QUESTION I HAD WAS MORE SO FOR RICHARD. I GUESS THE INDUSTRY PROFESSIONAL. AS FAR AS I TOTALLY AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER CONDON, GETTING THIS MANY BIDS IS FANTASTIC. BUT I WOULDN'T NECESSARILY CALL THE WINNER AN OUTLIER BUT THERETHERE IS A $600,000 DELTA. ANY FLAGS ON THAT? KAREN IS HERE TOO.

>> RICHARD SMITH, COUNTY ENGINEER.

IN MY QUICK PURVIEW OF THE SCOPE OF THE BID, I DIDN'T SEE ANY.

I'M ON EVEN NUMBERS, AND SINCE IT'S NOT -- IT'S STILL IN A -- IT'S NOT AVAILABLE TO BE SPOKEN ABOUT PUBLICLY YET. I'M GOING TO LET KAREN TAKE OVER THAT PART.

SO I DON'T SAY SOMETHING THAT WOULD DISQUALIFY ANYTHING.

>> GOOD AFTERNOON. SO, AS FAR AS WE ARE IN THE NO-CONTACT RULE PERIOD UNTIL AFTER THE BID IS POSTED.

THE AWARD TONIGHT IS POSTED AND WE ALLOW 72 HOURS FOR THE BID PROTEST PERIOD.

WE WERE ALSO EXCITED THAT WE GOT IN.

THERE WAS A PREBID MEETING. WE DID LOOK AT SOME OF THE NUMBERS FLUCTUATING IN DIFFERENT AREAS BUT DIDN'T SEE ANY BIG RED FLAGS THAT CONCERNED RICHARD OR HIS TEAM DURING THE EVALUATION OF THE BIDS. SO IF THERE ARE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS, WE CAN REACH OUT AND ASK THE BIDDERS.

BUT OVERALL, THERE WAS NOTHING THAT STOOD OUT THAT MADE US FEEL LIKE THEY TOTALLY MISSED

SOMETHING. >> GOOD.

COMPETITION IS A GOOD THING.

>> GOOD THING. THAT'S ALL I HAD.

>> THEY'VE GOTTEN A LOT OF PRAISE AND WONDERMENT FROM THE D.O.F. OFFICIAL I SPOKE TO.

>> I'M GOOD.

>> I'D LIKE TO MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THIS AND TAKE $2 MILLION OF THE BUDGET AND EARMARK IT FOR OTHER -- WELL, I GUESS, HOW DO I SAY THAT? MOVE IT TO 220 PROJECT. REG IS STANDING UP BECAUSE I'M MAKING HIM CRAZY.

>> IT'S ALL GOING TO HAVE TO COME BACK THROUGH AN ADVERTISEMENT BECAUSE YOU'RE MOVING CIP.

WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BRING THAT BACK TO THE -- AFTER WE ADVERTISE IT.

>> SHOULD I STILL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE EARMARK THAT MONEY SO IT DOESN'T DISAPPEAR?

>> I THINK THE QUESTION WOULD BE, THE FIRST STEP WOULD BE TO MOVE THE MONEY, YOU KNOW -- MOVE THE MONEY TO USING IMPACT FEES TO PAY FOR 220, SO IF YOU WANT TO GIVE -- THE BOARD WANTS TO GIVE STAFF DIRECTION TO PREPARE THAT ORDINANCE AND BRING THAT BACK, I THINK THAT'S THE FIRST STEP. THEN THE BOARD CAN MAKE THE DECISION TO DO WHATEVER THEY WANT WITH THE CIP MONEY. COURTNEY, DO YOU AGREE THAT'S THE PROPER WAY, ORDINANCE-WISE?

>> THE MONEY STAYS IN THAT FUND.

>> RIGHT, RIGHT.

>> AND JUST FULL TRANSPARENCY, I DON'T NECESSARILY FEEL PREPARED RIGHT NOW TO EARMARK

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>> NO, I WASN'T ASKING THAT. I JUST DON'T WANT IT TO DISAPPEAR.

I WANT IT TO -- >> I DON'T THINK IT CAN.

>> WELL, IT CAN, IN THEORY.

>> I THINK THE COMMISSIONER'S POINT IS SHE DOESN'T WANT IT APPLIED TO ANY OTHER PROJECTS WITHOUT COMING BACK TO THE BOARD FOR APPROVAL AND THE CIP.

>> BUT ALSO THAT I DON'T WANT THE BIDDER TO THINK THAT THEY HAVE THAT MUCH FLEXIBILITY IN CHANGE ORDERS. LIKE, WE DON'T HAVE -- THAT'S NOT -- BECAUSE IT CAME IN SO LOW, COMMISSIONER, SAME THING. I WANT -- BASICALLY, WE COULD HAVE, SHOULD HAVE, MAYBE, ADJUSTED THE BUDGET DOWNWARD, YOU KNOW, FROM THE -- THAT IT ORIGINALLY INCLUDED THE INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS.

WE DIDN'T KNOW D.O.T. WAS GOING TO DO THAT.

SO, WE LEFT IT WHERE IT IS, AND I JUST DON'T WANT THEM THINKING, TO YOUR POINT, THEY WERE, OKAY,OKAY, SO, IF THEY WERE $600,000 LOWER THAN THE OTHER LOWEST BIDDER, KAREN SAID, CAN YOU LEAVE A LITTLE BIT OF MONEY IN THERE? $600,000.

THAT'S WHAT I -- I DON'T WANT THERE TO BE THAT OTHER $2 MILLION TO JUST BE GOBBLED UP IN EXCESS ON THAT PROJECT WHEN WE HAVE OTHER

PROJECTS. >> OH,

100%. >> IN YOUR DISTRICT THAT NEED TO BE DONE.

>> SORRY, COURTNEY. CAN YOU PUT THAT IN THE CONTRACT, THOUGH? THAT THERE'S A MAX? THERE'S A PROJECT MAX?

>> I MEAN, THAT'S THE WAY OUR AGREEMENTS ARE WRITTEN.

BUT IF THEY COME BACK WITH A CHANGE ORDER FOR UNFORESEEN CONDITIONS OR SOME OTHER ITEM THAT WASN'T CONTEMPLATED DURING THE BID, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT'S BROUGHT TO

YOU. >> WE APPROVED THE CHANGEOVERS, RIGHT?

>> NOT NECESSARILY ALL OF THEM IF THEY'RE -- IF THEY FIT WITHIN THE PURCHASING POLICY.

>> WELL, WHAT'S THAT -- IS THAT

A DOLLAR AMOUNT? >> ISN'T IT 10%?

>> HOW MUCH IS IT?

>> 10% OF THE CONTRACT.

>> SO, IT'S $400,000.

>> BUT BACK TO THE ORIGINAL BUDGET AMOUNT, THERE'S STILL $2 MILLION. OKAY.

>> SO, I'LL JUST MOVE APPROVAL ON THIS ONE.

I THINK I'VE SAID MY PIECE. I THINK EVERYBODY IS IN THE SAME VEIN OF THINKING ON THAT ONE, AND WE WON'T LOSE THE

MONEY. >> I'LL

SECOND. >> ALL RIGHT.

MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.

ANY OPPOSED?

[15.  Progress Report on the Bonded Transportation Program and Other Capital Projects (Capital Projects Team)]

>> ALL RIGHT. WE WILL GO ON TO PROGRESS REPORT ON BONDED TRANSPORTATION PROGRAM AND OTHER CAPITAL PROJECTS. OKAY.

>> GOOD EVENING TO THE BOARD, TO THE CHAIR. ED DENDOR, BOND TRANSPORTATION PROGRAM ADMINISTRATOR AND HERE TO UPDATE THE COMMISSION ON THE PROGRESS THE TEAM HAS MADE OVER THE LAST BOND. FOR PROJECT NUMBER ONE, CANTERBURY 218 FROM MASTERS PIT TO PINE TREE LANE, THE COUNTY'S TEAM IN ANDERSON COLUMBIA CONTINUED OUR STATUS MEETINGS. COMPLETED THE DRAINAGE STRUCTURES, PIPES, DEMOLITION OF THE EXISTING DRIVEWAYS ALONG THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE PROJECT. ANDERSON COLUMBIA FINISHED PLACING SIDEWALK AND LIMESTONE BASE AND PLACED TACK COATING WITHIN THIS AREA AND FOLLOWED UP WITH THE FIRST BASE COURSE OF ASPHALT. TRAFFIC WAS THEN SWITCHED TO THE NEW ASPHALT SECTION ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE CORRIDOR. THEN, THEY SHIFTED THEIR WORK EFFORT TO THE NORTH SIDE OF THE CORRIDOR BY REMOVING OLD ASPHALT ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE ROAD. IS PROJECT SCHEDULE IS UNDER EVALUATION BY THE PROJECT TEAM FOR A POTENTIAL ADJUSTMENT. CURRENTLY, WE'RE AT 57% PAID OUT, AND 91% OF THE TIME HAS BEEN USED.

FOR PROJECT NUMBER TWO, COUNTY ROAD 209, EAST OF THE RAILROAD TRACK, TRAFFIC CONTINUES FLOWING ON THE NORTH SIDE OF COUNTY ROAD 209 WHILE SUPERIOR CONTINUED THE INSTALLATION OF SUB BASE AND BASE MATERIAL.

INSTALLATION OF STORM DRAINPIPES AS WELL AS THE INSTALLATION OF CURBING AND SIDEWALK ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THIS SECTION OF ROAD.

SUPERIOR FINISHED INSTALLING THE STORM DRAINPIPES, STRUCTURES, AND PLACED THE FIRST LIFT OF ASPHALT ALONG RUSSELL ROAD NORTH OF AND AT THE INTERSECTION TO COUNTY ROAD 315B. A TRAFFIC SWITCH IS ANTICIPATED IN THE VERY NEAR FUTURE, WHICH WILL MOVE TRAFFIC ON TO THE NEW ASPHALT WEST OF THE RAILROAD TRACKS. THIS PROJECT IS ON SCHEDULE WITH 67% PAID OUT AND 54% OF THE TIME USED. ON PROJECT 3- B, WHICH IS BASICALLY THE SWOOSH END OF PROJECT NUMBER 4 AND RUNS THROUGH THE ROUND- ABOUT AT COUNTY ROAD 209-B, COUNTY, GAI, BIMONTHLY STATUS MEETINGS, CONTINUED THE INSTALLATION OF STORM WATER DRAINAGE AND PIPES.

ASPHALT WAS PLACED ON THE SAND RIDGE SECTION AND THE INTERIOR MEDIAN SECTION IS NOW BEING

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CURBING IS BEING PLACED IN THE SWOOSH AREA AND THE SIDEWALK IS BEING DEVELOPED ALONG THE EAST SIDE OF RUSSELL ROAD. THE CONTRACTOR'S PROJECT SCHEDULE REMAINS IN DISPUTE.

THE PROJECT IS 53% PAID OUT. FOR PROJECT NUMBER 5, COUNTY ROAD 220, THE TEAM RECEIVED THE ARMY CORPS PERMIT ON NOVEMBER 13. JACOBS COMPLETED THEIR DESIGN.

JACOBS, THE DESIGNER, CAN NOW REQUEST A PERMIT MODIFICATION TO INCLUDE THE NEW POND SITE LOCATION. THAT PLAN SET WILL BE SIGNED AND SEALED ONCE THE PERMIT MODIFICATIONS ARE ISSUED.

AND FOR PROJECT 6- A, COUNTY ROAD 315, THE TEAM FINALIZED THE UPDATED FUNCTIONAL SCORE TO SUBMIT TO THE CORE FOR APPROVAL.

PLANS WILL BE SIGNED AND SEALED ONCE THE PERMITS ARE ISSUED. THE GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWN HAS AFFECTED THE TIME FOR THE PERMIT APPROVAL.

PROJECTS 3-A, 4, AND 6- B ARE ALL COMPLETE AND IN SUPPORT OF ALL THIS WORK, WGI CONTINUES TO WORK ACROSS THE PROGRAM SPECTRUM. AS OF DECEMBER 2, THE PROGRAM HAS EXPENDED $142 MILLION.

THIS CONCLUDES THE UPDATE ON THE BOND TRANSPORTATION PORTION.

ANY QUESTIONS?

>> ANY QUESTIONS?

>> I'LL GO AHEAD AND SWITCH HATS AND MOVE INTO THE CAPITAL PROJECTS UPDATE.

THIS UPDATE COVERS THE SIX DIRECTORS, RICHARD SMITH TO MY RIGHT HERE, DIRECTOR OF ENGINEERING, ERIC POPE IN THE AUDIENCE, DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS, JUSTIN PIERCE, DIRECTOR OF PARKS AND REC. ERIC JONES, THE DIRECTOR OF GROUND AND MAINTENANCE, AS WELL AS MYSELF, THE DIRECTOR OF CAPITAL PROJECTS.

OVER THE -- OVERALL, THE COUNTY AND THE CURRENT PROJECT LIST CONSIST OF 262 PROJECTS.

THE PROJECT DATA WAS COMPILED BY VERONICA, OUR CAPITAL PROJECTS CONTROL SPECIALIST, AND IN GENERAL, THERE ARE 59 DIRECT PURCHASES THAT ARE LISTS.

46 ARE FURNISHED INSTALLS WITH 157 TRUE PROJECTS THAT TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION OF A CONCEPTUALIZATION DESIGN, PERMITTING AND FINALLY CONSTRUCTING THE PROJECT.

ALL 262 ITEMS EQUAL ROUGHLY $208 MILLION, AND THE WORKDAY REPORT. THIS FISCAL YEAR, THE CAPITAL PROJECTS TEAM WILL MANAGE 78 OF THE PROJECTS ACROSS MULTIPLE DEPARTMENTS, ACCOUNTING FOR ROUGHLY $95 MILLION.

FOR THE OVERALL STATUS OF THE PUBLIC SAFETY BOND, SO FAR TO DATE, THE COUNTY HAS SPENT A LITTLE OVER $12 MILLION OR ROUGHLY 19% OF THE $65 MILLION BOND.

AND NOW, I'D LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND PROVIDE AN UPDATE ON FIVE VERTICAL PROJECTS, THE DESIGN -- FOR A DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS WHILE RICHARD WILL PROVIDE THE UPDATE ON THE HORIZONTAL AND GRID PROJECTS. FIRST UP, THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT BUILDING LOCATE ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE ADMIN BUILDING. THE CONSTRUCTION CREWS ARE WORKING ON FINISHING UP THE EXTERIOR BRICK.

THE INTERIOR DRY WAUL, INSTALLING ELEVATORS AND WRAPPING UP THE ELECTRICAL SYSTEM.

IN THE NEXT TWO WEEKS, THE BUILDING WILL RECEIVE PERMANENT POWER AND THEN START ON THE ROADWORK ON WALBERG STREET AND THIS WILL REQUIRE A CLOSED ACCESS TO ACTUALLY THE STAFF PARKING FOR A FEW DAYS.

THIS CLOSURE WILL TAKE -- WILL OCCUR IN JANUARY WHILE THE CONTRACTOR PAYS AND CONNECTS BOTH OF THE ENTRANCES.

SPECIFICALLY DATES FOR THE IMPACT TO THE PARKING AREA WILL BE RELEASED WITH THE LOGISTICS PLAN THAT'S FINALIZED, SO EXPECT TO HEAR A LITTLE BIT MORE ON THAT IN THE COMING WEEKS. THE PROJECT IS CURRENTLY FIVE WEEKS BEHIND SCHEDULE, DUE TO A MANUFACTURING ISSUES.

THE CONTRACTOR'S ACCELERATING THE SCHEDULE WHERE THEY CAN TO MAKE UP SOME OF THAT TIME.

THE CURRENT FORECAST COMPLETION FOR THE BUILDING IS LATE MARCH OF NEXT YEAR, 2026.

NEXT UP IS THE BLACK CREEK BIKE TRAIL BOARDWALK REPAIRS.

REPAIRED BOARDWALK ALONG HIGHWAY 17. THE WORK CONCLUDED -- INCLUDED REPLACING STRINGERS, DECKING, HANDRAILS AND THREE SEPARATE SECTIONS. AND THE VICINITY OF COUNTY ROAD 209 AND SLEW ARE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC NOVEMBER 14.

NEXT UP, THE BUILDOUT OF THE FOURTH FLOOR OF OUR COUNTY COURTHOUSE. THE PROJECT IS FULLY BUILDING OUT AND RENOVATING APPROXIMATELY 17,000 SQUARE FEET OF THE CLAY COUNTY COURTHOUSE.

THE SCOPE INCLUDES SECURITY ENHANCEMENTS TO THE ENTRANCE AND EXIT. CONSTRUCTION IS APPROXIMATELY 36% COMPLETE, ANTICIPATED TO BE COMPLETE IN FALL OF 2026. NEXT UP IS FIRE STATION NUMBER 1, CONSISTS OF CONSTRUCTING A NEW FIVE- BAY FIRE STATION LOCATED OFF OLD JENNINGS ROAD. BUILDING FOOTERS HAVE BEEN POURED AND THE STORM WATER ONGOING WORK INCLUDES THE INSTALLATION OF STEM WALLS, ALONG WITH THE UNDERSLAB PLUMBING AND ELECTRICAL ROUGH ENDS. ON DECEMBER 4, THE COUNTY HELD A PUBLIC CONSTRUCTION CELEBRATION FOR BOTH THIS FIRE STATION NUMBER ONE, AS WELL AS FIRE STATION 22. AND LAST UP FOR THE VERTICAL

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THE PROJECT IS LOCATED AT 4003 EVERETT AVENUE IN MIDDLEBURG, AND IS PROVIDING A MUCH NEEDED INTERIOR FACELIFT FOR THE FIRE STATION.

THE WORK INCLUDED REMOVING AND REPLACING ALL KITCHEN CABINETRY AND APPLIANCES ALONG WITH INSTALLING NEW FLOORING THROUGHOUT THE KITCHEN, LIVING ROOM, AND COMMON AREAS. THE PROJECT IS ROUGHLY 99% COMPLETE WITH ONLY JUST A FEW FINAL SMALL TOUCHES REMAINING LEFT YET TO GO. WITH THAT, I WOULD LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND TURN THE FLOOR OVER TO RICHARD FOR THE HORIZONTAL ROAD CONSTRUCTION TRAIL PROJECTS.

>> THANK YOU, ED. FIRST OFF, WE'VE GOT SUBSTANTIAL COMPLETION INSPECTION WAS PASSED AT THE LAKE SHORE DRIVE OLD HARD ROAD COUNTY ROAD 220 INTERSECTION LAST TUESDAY.

THAT WAS 253157. THAT WAS 88 DAYS AHEAD OF SCHEDULE. SO, HAT TIP TO OUR CONTRACTOR THERE. THE FINAL STRIPING, THE FINAL THERMOPLASTIC STRIPING SHOULD GO DOWN TONIGHT OR LATER THIS WEEK, WEATHER DEPENDING.

AND IT SHOULD BE DRY, SO THAT SHOULD WORK OUT.

THE 220 PROJECT WIDENING FROM NIGHT BOX ROAD TO HOLLERS PLACE IS ON SCHEDULE. THERE'S BEEN A LANE SHIFT FOR THE WESTBOUND TRAFFIC OR FOR THE TRAFFIC WEST OF ANNA LEE ROAD AND PEOPLE SEEM TO BE TAKING THAT VERY WELL AND FLOWING SMOOTHLY.

NEW PAVEMENT IS PLANNED TODAY, AND THIS WEEK, AS SOON AS THE TEMPERATURE GETS A LITTLE HIGHER THAN 40 DEGREES OUT THERE, FOR THE AREA FROM THE BRIDGEBRIDGE THE DOLLAR GENERAL, IN THAT AREA.

THAT IS -- SHOULD BE PAVED THIS WEEK.

THE BRIDGE IS ON SCHEDULE, AS YOU CAN SEE BY THE PHOTOS WE SUPPLIED. IT'S A PRETTY BIG DECK, AND IT'S LOOKING VERY GOOD.

DON'T REALLY WANT TO MAKE ANY PROGNOSIS. IT'S ON SCHEDULE. WE'LL KNOW A LOT MORE AS THEY START PAVING AS TO WHETHER THEY CAN ACCELERATE THE SCHEDULE, WHICH IS LATE JUNE OF THIS YEAR -- OF '26. THE LIVE OAK LANE PROJECT, WE GOT PAVED RECENTLY, UP JUST NORTH OF THE VISITORS CENTER. THERE'S A CROSSWALK THERE.

THEY'VE PAVED TO THAT POINT, NORTH OF THAT CROSSWALK. THERE'S STILL SOME UTILITY LOCATION, RELOCATION THAT WE'RE WORKING WITH CLAY ELECTRIC ON. THE PROJECT IS SCHEDULED TO BE FINISHED AT THE -- IN THE SPRING. IT HAS NOT HELPED OUR SPEEDING CONDITIONS. I'VE SPOKEN WITH THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE. PEOPLE ARE DRIVING VERY, VERY FAST OUT THERE. THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE HAS BEEN NOTIFIED. HOPEFULLY, THEIR PLAN IS TO DO SOME MONITORING. SO, PLEASE DRIVE SAFELY OUT THERE. THEY'RE STILL WORKING. IT'S A 25-MILE-AN- HOUR ZONE.

WHETHER THEY'RE WORKING OR NOT. IF THEY'RE WORKING, IT'S JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE HIGHER FIND. SO, OVER ON 218, SPENCER INDUSTRIAL DRIVE IS ON SCHEDULE.

THE FOUR LANES OF ASPHALT ARE FINISHED.

THAT ROAD SHOULD BE FINISHED, IS SCHEDULED TO BE FINISHED NEXT MONTH IN JANUARY. WE GOT ABOUT SIX OR EIGHT WEEKS, AND WE'LL HAVE THAT ROAD OPEN, AS WELL AS THE WIDENING OF 218, LEADING INTO THE -- INTO THE ENTRANCE.

OUR FDOT UPDATE IS DIFFERENT FROM THE ONE IN YOUR PACKAGE. IT CHANGED TODAY. WELL, IT REALLY STARTED CHANGING YESTERDAY ABOUT 5:30 A.M.

BUT IT WAS FINALIZED THIS MORNING AROUND 11:30. WE HAD GOTTEN A NOTE ON FRIDAY THAT THEY HAD HALTED ALL EFFORTS TO FINISH THE WORK AT EAGLE HARBOR SOUTH TO WATER OAK FROM THE CLAY BAPTIST UP TO THE 220 INTERSECTION BECAUSE THAT PROJECT WAS RESTRICTED TO NIGHT PAVING ONLY, NIGHT WORK ONLY. THE PROJECT FROM BLACK CREEK BRIDGE TO GREEN COVE, OAK STREET, SOUTH OF GREEN COVE HERE, WAS D.O.T. MADE A DECISION THAT THEY WOULD ALLOW THEM -- ALLOW THE CONTRACTORS, THE SAME CONTRACTOR, TO WORK DURING THE DAY.

THAT DID NOT WORK OUT VERY WELL AT ALL. ON MONDAY, WE HAD A SIGNIFICANT ISSUE. THE SHERIFF AND OTHER FOLKS GOT INVOLVED AND REALLY HELPED THE ISSUE ALONG, BUT IT WAS NOT GOOD.

THEY FINISHED THAT -- WHAT THEY HAD SCHEDULED FOR MONDAY, AND SUSPENDED ALL WORK ON THAT AREA, AND THEY'RE NOW RESTRICTED TO 8:00 P.M.

TO 6:00 A.M. WORK SCHEDULE FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE PROJECT. DUE TO THE WEATHER, 60, 40 DEGREES AND RISING FOR PAVEMENT PLACEMENT, IT COULD ADD SOME -- IT COULD ADD SOME TIME TO THE PROJECT.

BUT IT'S NOT GOING TO -- WE WON'T HAVE ANOTHER MONDAY LIKE WE HAD THIS MONDAY.

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THE SLOPE OF THE ROAD IS TILTED LIKE THIS. THEY CUT THIS PART DOWN.

SO, THERE'S ABOUT A ONE- INCH GAP THERE THAT'S PONDING WATER.

WE FORECAST FOR NO RAIN, SO WE SHOULD BE OKAY.

HOWEVER, WE'VE STILL -- THEY'RE GOING TO COME IN THURSDAY AND WORK THROUGH THE NIGHT.

SOMETHING THAT CRITICAL THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE TO PREVENT HYDROPLANING AND OTHER POSSIBLE ISSUES NEEDS TO GET FINISHED. I WOULD BE CAUTIOUS OF YOU RELYING THAT TO GET ANYWHERE ON TIME FRIDAY A.M.

I FEEL LIKE DOT WOULD PROBABLY ALLOW THEM AN EXTRA HOUR OR TWO IF THEY DIDN'T GET FINISHED. BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT PROBABLY GOING TO COME BACK. THEY DON'T HAVE ANY SCHEDULE TO COME BACK AND WORK ON THAT PROJECT. AND THEN, THE BLANDING BOULEVARD, THE BIGGEST UPDATE AT WELLS ROAD INTERSECTION IS IT'S ON SCHEDULE, COMPLETING, AND WE, THE COUNTY, ARE GOING TO -- WE'RE STARTING THE NORTHWAY RESURFACING PROJECT ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE MALL TO HELP ON THE DETOUR TRAFFIC NEXT WEEK.

AND THAT SHOULD BE A FOUR TO FIVE-DAY PROJECT.

THERE WILL BE SOME LANE CLOSURES BUT NO FULL CLOSURES.

JUST TAKE YOUR TIME AND DRIVE SAFELY AROUND THE MALL.

ANY QUESTIONS?

>> RICHARD, FRIDAY, THAT 17

SOUTHBOUND. >>

YES. >> IN BETWEEN WHICH PART? WHICH PART?

>> IT WILL BE FROM THE BLACK CREEK BRIDGE, WHICH IS WHERE THE PROJECT BEGINS, AND IT LOOKS LIKE THEY WENT ABOUT 150 TO 200 FEET SOUTH OF THE 209 INTERSECTION. IF ANYBODY THAT'S DRIVEN THAT A LOT, INCLUDING IN THE RAIN, IT IS VERY, VERY DANGEROUS. AND FOLKS, WE GOT A MIDDLE STRIPE THERE NOW. WE KNOW WHERE THE LANES ARE, BECAUSE YOU COULD SEE NO STRIPING ON IT.

IT HAD DETERIORATED THAT MUCH.

>> OKAY. >> SO.

OKAY.

>> THANK Y'ALL.

>> ONE LAST THING. MERRY CHRISTMAS, HAVE A BLESSED NEW YEAR. THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT.

>> APPRECIATE Y'ALL.

[16.  Active & Upcoming Formal Solicitations (K. Smith)]

>> WE HAVE ACTIVE AND UPCOMING FORMAL SOLICITATIONS BY KIERAN SMITH.

>> GOOD AFTERNOON AGAIN. QUICK UPDATE ON OUR STATUS OF OUR BIDS. WE HAVE THREE BIDS THAT ARE OUT ADVERTISED RIGHT NOW. THE AGRO NOMIC SERVICES FOR OUR COUNTY PARK ARE DUE BACK NEXT WEEK.

THE CLAY COUNTY PUBLIC SAFETY FISCAL BID IS OUT.

THAT WILL BE DUE IN AND ANTICIPATE BRINGING THAT TO THE JANUARY 27TH BOARD MEETING. WE HAVE THE LEAK GENEVA RESTORATION PROJECT THAT'S OUT TO BID. WE HAD 12 COMPANIES THAT ATTENDED THE PRE-BID MEETING, SO THAT'S SCHEDULED TO COME IN, IN JANUARY, AND BE BROUGHT TO THE JANUARY 27TH BOARD MEETING.

OUR BIDS THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY WORKING ON TO ADVERTISE FOR THE REMAINDER OF THIS MONTH AND NEXT MONTH IS THE TILE REPLACEMENT, THE COUNTY JAIL.

WE'RE STILL WORKING WITH STAFF ON THAT SCOPE OF WORK. PREVENTIVE GENERATOR MAINTENANCE. THAT'S AN ANNUAL CONTRACT. COUNTYWIDE UNIFORM RENTAL AND CLEANING SERVICES. THAT'S COUNTYWIDE. CONSTRUCTION, ENGINEERING, AND INSPECTION CEI SERVICES FOR SUN TRAIL PROJECT, THAT'S GOING TO GO OUT NEXT MONTH.

FIRE ALARM UPGRADE AT THE JAIL, WE'RE STILL WORKING ON THAT SCOPE WITH STAFF.

DEBRIS REMOVAL SERVICES ARE CONTINUING ENGINEERING AND PLANNING SERVICES BID, RFQ IS GOING TO GO OUT LATER THIS MONTH. WE HAVE A CDBG REHAB PROJECT THAT WE'RE WORKING ON. WE HAVE SHEDS FOR OUR PUBLIC SAFETY DEPARTMENT. STORM WATER POND MOWING AND WE HAVE STARTED WORKING ON THE DRAFT OF THE P- 3 FOR THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMPLEX.

>> ANY QUESTIONS?

[17.  TPO Project List (R. Smith)]

>> THANK YOU.

>> ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU, KAREN. WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE TPO PROJECT LIST WITH RICHARD SMITH ONCE AGAIN.

>> GOOD AFTERNOON. TODAY, WE'RE GOING -- WE'VE PRESENTED IN THE PACKAGE A LIST, A PRELIMINARY LIST.

WE'RE ABOUT SIX WEEKS EARLY. THIS IS ACTUALLY DUE JANUARY

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WE'RE GOING TO FOCUS ON THE ROAD PROJECTS, ONLY THE TOP 20 PROJECTS THAT YOU SEE THAT YOU HAVE THE 26 LIST AND THE 25 LIST.

THE TRAIL PROJECTS, WE WILL BRIEF AT THE NEXT MEETING.

WE'VE GOT SOME MORE INFORMATION COMING IN FROM THE TOWN OF ORANGE PARK AND GREEN COVE SPRINGS. SO, THE BIGGEST CHANGE TO THE PROJECT WAS TWO OF OUR PROJECTS FROM LAST YEAR'S LIST WERE FUNDED.

THE COUNTY ROAD 217 BRIDGE REPLACEMENT HAS BEEN FUNDED, AND IS SCHEDULED FOR BIDS IN MARCH, FEBRUARY AND MARCH. THE GRANT BECOMES AVAILABLE, AND THAT'LL BE BID OUT IN JANUARY OR FEBRUARY AND MARCH. ALSO, THE KEYSTONE INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENT HAS DOT IS WORKING ON THAT AND HAS THAT ON THEIR WORK PLAN FOR, I THINK, 2027. AND YOU'VE ALL SEEN THE LIST.

THE NEW ROADS THAT WERE ADDED WERE -- THESE ARE STAFF ADDS. THESE ARE ALL SUBJECT TO REVIEW.

WE DON'T -- APPROVAL NEEDS TO GO TO TPO. LIKE I SAID, WE HAVE SIX WEEKS OF DISCUSSION. NIGHT BOX ROAD, IMPROVING THAT TO FIVE LANES BECAUSE OF THE SAFETY ISSUES WITH REAR END AND TRAFFIC MOVEMENT ON IT.

AND WE ADDED OLD HARD ROAD SHOULDER WIDENING AND SHOWED SAFETY IMPROVEMENTS FROM 220 TO KENOVA ROAD AND I'M OPEN FOR OR ANY OTHER ADDITIONAL DETAIL I CAN PROVIDE.

>> COMMENTS, QUESTIONS?

>> SO, IT IS -- I'M SORRY.

>> GO AHEAD. >> SO, IT IS 220 TO KENOVA?

>> YES, SIR, IT IS.

>> SO, WE'RE GOING TO CHANGE --

STATE ROAD 21? >> YES, SIR, THE LINE'S CHANGED.

IT IS CHANGED. WE WILL UPDATE THAT.

I APPRECIATE YOUR THOROUGHNESS. IT GOES BACK TO YOUR FIRST MEETING WHEN YOU CHANGED THE 4-CENT ERROR ON ONE OF MY BID CALCULATIONS.

>> RIGHT. IT WAS LISTED AS 21 TO KENOVA ROAD. DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE.

BUT ANYWAY, WE'LL FIX IT. ITEM NUMBER 18 IT IS.

>> CORRECT.

>> COMMISSIONER COMPERE?

>> THANK YOU. SO, RICHARD, YOU ALREADY KNOW WHAT QUESTION'S COMING YOUR WAY CONCERNING CHESWICK OAKS. I SEE, AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE IN THE PAST THAT THIS ONE IS ITEM 9 AND HAS REMAINED ITEM 9 FOR SOME TIME, PRIMARILY BECAUSE OF THE FUNDING. AND THE TPO HAS CONCERNS OR, RATHER, LET ME WALK THAT BACK.

THERE ARE CONCERNS ABOUT CHESWICK OAKS BECAUSE OF THE DOLLAR AMOUNT TO GETTING THAT CONNECTIVITY. NOW, IN OUR CONVERSATION EARLIER TODAY, YOU MADE ME PRIVY TO THINGS THAT THE COMMISSION MAY NOT BE AS FAMILIAR ABOUT, BECAUSE I DIDN'T KNOW, OBVIOUSLY.

SOME OF THE MOVEMENT IN THE PRIVATE INDUSTRY OR PRIVATE SECTOR THAT IS VERY MUCH INTERESTED IN SEEING THIS CONNECTION TAKE PLACE. COULD YOU ELABORATE FOR US SOME OF THOSE DETAILS? AND THE PURPOSE OF ME ASKING YOU THIS QUESTION IS FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE GROUP, IS KNOWING THAT THERE ARE DEVELOPERS WHO ARE INTERESTED IN THIS CONNECTIVITY, IT WAS IMPORTANT FOR ME TO GLEANGLEAN DO WE MAKE THIS A PRIORITY FOR TPO? AND RICHARD'S SUGGESTION TO ME WAS THAT IT NEEDED TO MAKE THE TOP SIX. AND SO, MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THERE'S -- WE'RE GOING TO NEED SOME DETAILS AS TO WHY THAT WOULD BE IMPORTANT SO THAT WE COULD CONSIDER IT.

>> THE DETAILS FOR THE TOP SIX ARE THE TPO CONSISTS OF FOUR COUNTIES, CLAY, DUVAL, NASSAU AND ST. JOHN'S.

CLAY, NASSAU, AND ST. JOHN'S GET THEIR SIX OFF THIS LIST. THOSE 25 PROJECTS BECOME THE EMPHASIS FOR THE NORTH FLORIDA TPO TO SOLICIT FUNDS AT THE STATE LEVEL FOR ROAD IMPROVEMENTS. IT COULD BE BEACH BOULEVARD, ST. OHN'S PARKWAY. THERE WAS A PROJECT THAT WAS NUMBER ONE ON THEIR LIST FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS AND FINALLY GOT FUNDED IN 2024. '25.

SO, THAT'S WHY IT'S IMPORTANT TO BE IN THE TOP SIX. IT'S IMPORTANT TO BE ON THE LIST, BECAUSE IT OPENS UP THE GRANT OPPORTUNITIES.

BUT THE ONES THAT FLORIDA DOT IS LOOKING AT ARE OUR TOP SIX AND TPO.

ON THE CHESWICK OAKS ISSUE, THERE IS A LOT OF MOVEMENT AT

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SO, THAT KIND OF DID WHAT IT ALWAYS DOES WITH THIS ROAD. KIND OF SHUT IT OFF, KIND OF COOLED IT OFF. IN THE MEANTIME, THERE'S BEEN SOME EXTENSION ON THE EAST SIDE AS IT COMES SOUTH FROM ARGYLE FOREST WITH ADDITIONAL RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT GOING ON THERE AND DEVELOPERS LENGTHENING THE ROAD.

ON THE WEST SIDE AT THE 23 INTERCHANGE, WE RECEIVE A GRANT, AND I THINK 2019, 2018, TO BASICALLY BUILD THE FIRST HALF MILE OR SO OF CHESWICK OAKS. WELL, 2019 MONEY ONLY BUILDS ABOUT THE INTERCHANGE AT ABOUT THE FIRST 500 FEET. BUT THAT IS UNDER WAY AND UNDER DESIGN NOW. IT'S BEEN APPROVED.

IT'S BEEN REVIEWED AND ACCEPTED BY THE TURNPIKE AUTHORITY. THEY ARE NOW REVIEWING 60% COMPLETE DESIGN PLANS, AND THAT PROJECT WILL GO OUT TO BID TO COMPLETE THE INTERCHANGE, JUST THE RAMPS TO ALLOW FOR YOU TO GO FROM SOUTH -- FROM I-10 SOUTH AND GO EAST ON CHESWICK OAKS, WHICH WILL EVENTUALLY TIE IN AND CIRCLE BACK TO ARGYLE FOREST.

THAT SHOULD GO OUT IN OUR BID LIST OF SPRING AND SUMMER OF '26, SO THAT PART IS COMING AND IS ON THE WAY.

HAD A CALL TODAY WITH THE DEVELOPER.

I ASKED HIM WHAT I COULD SAY AND WHAT WAS PRIVATE.

HE WAS VERY -- WE ARE VERY -- HE'S VERY CLOSE TO GETTING THE KINDLEWOOD -- PART OF THAT GRANT WAS FOR A ROAD TO BE CONNECTING KINDLEWOOD TO CHESWICK OAKS WHICH IS REALLY THE OAKLEY PLANTATION PARKWAY EXTENSION IS WHAT IT SHOULD BE CALLED. AND THERE WILL BE A ROUND-ABOUT THERE. WE HAVE PLANS FOR THAT NOW.

THAT IS VERY CLOSE TO BEING COMPLETED.

THERE'S SOME LEGAL WORK LEFT TO BE DONE WITH A PLATTED AREA THAT'S ALREADY BEEN LAID OUT THAT WILL GET FIXED. THAT WILL BE A TREMENDOUS HELP AND GIVE THE FOLKS IN THE KINDLEWOOD NEIGHBORHOOD AND THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS A SECOND WAY OUT. INSTEAD OF JUST GOING TO CHALLENGER, IT WILL MAKE THEIR -- THEY'VE GOT ABOUT A HALF-MILE DRIVE TO PUBLIX, BUT TO BRING THE GROCERIES HOME, THEY'VE GOT ABOUT A SIX-MILE U-TURN. THAT WILL FIX THAT. AND PROBABLY THE MOST TELLING THING OF IT WAS KIMBERLY HORN IS WORKING FOR THE DEVELOPER ALSO. THEY WERE ABLE TO DO A MORE DETAILED STUDY OF THE PROJECT, THE ENTIRE LENGTH OF IT, AND THEY CAME IN WITH A $40 MILLION PRICE TAG. THAT PROJECT REMAINS ON OUR MOBILITY FEE LIST, SO AS PROJECTS ARE BUILT AND MOBILITY FEES ARE PAID IN THE OAK LEAF OR BRANNENFIELD DISTRICT, IT CAN GO TOWARDS THAT PROJECT. THE PROJECT ITSELF IS KIND OF -- IT'S KIND OF GOING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.

>> SO, JUST TO TIE A PRETTY BOW AROUND WHAT YOU SAID, BECAUSE THERE WAS A LOT GOING ON THERE --

>> YES. >> IN ESSENCE, THERE'S MORE MOVEMENT NOW THAN THERE HAS BEEN, AND IT'S SIGNIFICANT MOVEMENT TO ACTUALLY GET THIS DONE. SO, FROM A COMMISSION STANDPOINT, CAN YOU GIVE US JUST YOUR CLEAR, ONE- LINER, HOW DO WE, FROM WHAT WE CAN DO, HELP BRING THIS PROJECT ALONG?

>> IT'S BECOME MORE THAN A PIPE DREAM. IT'S BECOME A POSSIBILITY NOW.

>> BIG DEAL.

>> IF I COULD ADD, I THINK THE QUESTION IS, IS NOW THE TIME TO MOVE IT INTO THE TOP SIX OR WAIT UNTIL NEXT YEAR?

>> THERE'S A LOT OF FIRE CHIEFS IN THIS ROOMROOM THAT WOULD YES. A LOT OF SHERIFF'S DEPUTIES THAT WOULD SAY YES.

IT'S A VERY DIFFICULT AREA TO GET÷÷GET TO.

WE CAN'T GET TO IT. WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH ANOTHER

COUNTY TO GET TO IT. >> WELL, I KNOW FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, YOU KNOW, SOONER IS BETTER THAN LATER, BUT FDOT'S PERSPECTIVE?

>> FDOT'S PERSPECTIVE IS IF IT TOUCHES ONE OF THEIR STATE ROUTES, IT'S CONSIDERED.

IT TOUCHES STATE ROAD 23. WE KNOW NOW THAT IT'S NO LONGER A FREE PASS.

IT WOULD PUT ADDITIONAL -- AND I DON'T THINK THE TURNPIKE APPROVED THIS, BECAUSE IT WAS GOING TO TAKE PATRONS AWAY FROM GETTING ON THAT ROAD.

THEY APPROVED THE CONCEPT OF BUILDING THIS, WHICH TOOK --

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THE FIRST PHASE LOOKS GOOD, THOUGH. THAT'S ON THE COMMERCIAL END, ON THE WEST SIDE.

>> I THINK -- WELL, THERE'S THE NATURAL NEXT QUESTION IS, HOW DO YOU GET IT IN THE TOP SIX WITH THE LIST THAT YOU HAVE PROVIDED? THESE ARE ALL SO IMPORTANT. IF TOP SIX IS THE OBJECTIVE, THEN WHAT ARE YOUR SUGGESTIONS HERE?

>> STATE ROAD 16 IS BEING DESIGNED RIGHT NOW.

THAT PROJECT IS GOING -- IS, IN DOT'S EYES, VERY IMPORTANT.

FROM THE INTERCHANGE TO SPRING BANK ROAD, JUST PAST THE FAIRGROUNDS, IS BEING DESIGNED WITH CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS.

RIGHT-OF- WAY IS IN THE PROCESS. VERY FEW LANDOWNERS, THE COUNTY BEING ONE OF THEM. I THINK THERE'S FOUR.

WE'RE ONE OF THEM. ALL FOUR LANDOWNERS WILL BENEFIT AND SEEM TO BE GROWING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.

THAT MEANS IT'S QUICK. U.S. 17 IS DOT'S NUMBER ONE PROJECT IN OUR COUNTY. THEY WANT TO SEE IT WIDENED.

I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF IT WOULD BE IN OUR TOP 20 IF YOU PUT IT OUT TO THE PEOPLE TALKING.

NOW, IT'S CHANGING. WE FOUND OUT IT CHANGED A LOT 24 HOURS AGO, BUT IT IS A DEFINITE DOT -- THEY HAVE TOLD ME THE NEXT BIG BATCH OF MONEY, THAT WOULD BE THEIR PREFERENCE.

CATHEDRAL OAK, NUMBER 3, WIDENING THAT TO FOUR LANES. WE'RE GOING TO SEE THAT IMPACT -- I'LL TRY TO HAVE FOR YOU, FOR THE BOARD, NEXT MONTH, A TRAFFIC COUNT FROM WHEN CATHEDRAL OAK WAS OPENED IN THE FIRST TWO WEEKS TO WHAT IT IS NOW, FOUR MONTHS LATER. JUST SO YOU CAN SEE THE DIFFERENCE AS PEOPLE DRIVE IT. I CAN REMEMBER DRIVING IT A LOT FOUR MONTHS AGO AND BEING THE ONLY CAR ON IT, AND NOW, SUNDAY AFTERNOON, ABOUT 4:00 P.M., I WAS IN A LINE OF SEVEN.

SO, THERE ARE PEOPLE USING IT. AND THEY'RE NOT COMING FROM NOWHERE. THEY'RE COMING FROM ROADS LIKE SAND RIDGE, STATE ROAD 16. SO IT'S DEFINITELY MAKING A DIFFERENCE. THAT ONE IS A VERY IMPORTANT ROAD FOR OUR -- FOR THE COUNTY'S HEART AND SOUL. OLD JENNINGS, I THINK I SENT TO YOU THE SITE PLAN. YOU CAN SEE IT'S PRETTY IMPRESSIVE. THERE'S A MAJOR MEDICAL COMPLEX SCHEDULED AT THE CORNER OF DISCOVERY AND OLD JENNINGS. IT HAS 4 OR 500 PARKING SPACES.

THAT'S GOING TO BE A BIG TRAFFIC MOVER.

I DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED TO TAKE THE BOULEVARD ALL THE WAY TO LONG BAY, BUT MAYBE THAT -- EXCUSE ME. WE DON'T NEED TO TAKE OLD JENNINGS ALL THE WAY TO LONG BAY, BUT TO TINES BOULEVARD, POSSIBLY. WHETHER WE CAN GET THAT MONEY NOW OR WHETHER THAT MOVES IN OR OUT IS POSSIBLE.

NIGHT BOX WAS PLACED THERE BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THE OTHER ONE LEFT FROM.

SO, THAT'S -- THAT WAS JUST STAFF -- THAT WAS ME BEING LIMITED IN MY EXCEL WORK SKILLS.

NUMBER SIX IS THE COUNTY ROAD 218.

WE'VE GOT A TOUCH-UP STATE ROUTE.

THAT'S U.S. 301 TO MASTERS ROAD.

THAT'S A LONG WAY IN IN AND PROBABLY IN TIME AND THAT ONE MIGHT BE DOWN THE ROAD A WHILE.

THAT'S KIND OF A ONE-BY- ONE, BY THE TOP SIX. CAN I MAKE THE DECISION? NO, MA'AM. THEY DIDN'T LET ME.

THEY PUT THAT ON YOU SMART PEOPLE.

>> OKAY. WHAT I HEARD YOU SAY WAS THAT WE'VE GOT POTENTIALLY THREE PROJECTS ON THE BOTTOM HALF OF THE LIST THAT ARE -- THAT WE SHOULD BE GIVING SOME CONSIDERATION

TO. >> RIGHT.

>> AND PROJECT NUMBER 7, IT'S UNDER STUDY NOW. WE'RE STUDYING PROJECT 7 NOW, THE TPO IS, TO SEE WHEN WE'LL NEED A FOUR- LANE SECTION ON THE 209 RUSSELL ROAD. WE'VE EXPANDED THAT TO INCLUDE OVER TO U.S.

17, TO MAKE IT TPO ELIGIBLE. SO, THAT FROM ON YOUR

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>> AND I WAS GOING TO ASK TO MOVE THAT ONE UP, BUT I'M NOT GOING TO. I MEAN, EVERYBODY'S AS THINK TPO -- I MEAN, BETSY AND I, WE KNOW, IF THEY THINK IT'S IMPORTANT, THEY CAN MOVE IT UP THEMSELVES, SO I'M GOING TO LEAVE IT LIKE THAT, BECAUSE IT IS CONNECTED TO 17, AND WE KNOW THAT JIM KNIGHT DEFINITELY WANTS IT WIDENED, SO WE'LL SEE WHAT HAPPENS. I'LL JUST LEAVE IT WHERE IT IS.

>> AND THEY TEND TO WANT ROADS THAT HELP THEIR ROADS. RUSSELL ROAD TAKES PEOPLE OFF 17. LET'S FACE IT, THEY'RE PARALLEL.

>> ALL RIGHT. ANYONE ELSE?

>> THANK YOU.

>> OKAY. VERY GOOD.

THANK YOU, RICHARD. >> THANK YOU.

>> ALL RIGHT, WE WILL MOVE ON TO OUR 5:00 TIME CERTAINS.

IF YOU ARE HERE FOR NUMBER 19, JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, IT WILL NOT BE HEARD TODAY. IT WILL BE HEARD AT A DIFFERENT TIME. SO, I DON'T THINK WE HAD ANYONE SPEAKING FOR THAT. BUT THAT WILL BE LATER ON.

IF YOU ARE HERE FOR NUMBER 20 OR AGRICULTURAL

[20.  First Public Hearing to consider ZON 25-0033. (District 4, Comm. Condon) (J. Bryla)]

SO, THIS EXECUTIVE ORDER CONSOLIDATED SURPLUS PROPERTY AFTER THE WAR.

AND IT WAS VERY INTERESTING TO READ SOME OF THE TITLE WORK THAT -- ALATUA COUNTY HAD SOME OF IT AS WELL. SO, THIS PROPERTY ON THE LEFT-HAND GRAPHIC IS THE ZONING IS, AND ALBEIT IS VERY COLOR ON THE ONE ON THE RIGHT. THE ONE ON THE RIGHT IS IB.

AND IB DOES PERMIT VERY DIFFERENT USES THAT THE -- THAT ARE NEEDED AT THE AIRPORT. LIKE OUTDOOR STORAGE AND SOME MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT THAT THEY USE.

AND SO, IRONICALLY ENOUGH, THE PORTION THAT IS IN BRADFORD COUNTY IS ZONED SINGLE- FAMILY RESIDENTIAL.

SO, THIS IS A MASTER PLAN OF THE AIRPORT, AND THEY ARE CURRENTLY EXPANDING IN THE SMALLER BOXES THAT YOU SEE AT THE CENTER OF THE GRAPHIC FOR SOME AIRPORT OR AIRPLANE HANGARS AND OTHER MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT THEY NEED IN THEIR PROCESSES. THIS WAS HEARD BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION ON DECEMBER 2ND, AND THEY PROVIDED A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL, 7-0, IN THEIR SHORTEST MEETING EVER. AND THERE IS NO CAC IN THIS AREA. AND BASED ON THE CRITERIA AND THE STAFF REPORT, STAFF DOES RECOMMEND APPROVAL. HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

THIS IS REALLY JUST CORRECTING SOMETHING THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN CORRECTED A TIME AGO.

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>> I UNDERSTAND THE CORRECTION PIECE. WHAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THE SWITCH FROM LIGHT INDUSTRIAL TO HEAVY INDUSTRIAL?

>> THE IS ZONING DOESN'T ALLOW FOR THE OUTDOOR STORAGE OR FABRICATION AND MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT PROCESSES THEY NEED.

>> THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

>> I'LL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC ANYONE WISH TO SPEAK? DEANNA COLVIN, YOU'RE HERE FOR ANOTHER ITEM? ARE YOU HERE FOR THIS ITEM OR THE NEXT ITEM?

>> I'M KIND OF FOR BOTH.

>> DO YOU WANT TO SPEAK ON THIS ONE?

>> YES, MA'AM.

>> YES.

COME ON. >> I HAVE EVERYTHING PRETTY MUCH ENCOMPASSED IN ONE SPEECH IFIF CAN -- I'D LIKE TO TAKE YOUR TIME FOR A MOMENT.

FIRST AND FOREMOST, THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING HERE TO BE TODAY. I'VE GOT THIS WRITTEN DOWN BECAUSE I'M NOT A VERY GOOD PUBLIC SPEAKER. BEAR WITH ME. MY NAME IS DEANNA COLVIN. I'M A RESIDENT OF DISTRICT 4 AND 5 AND THESE DISTRICTS THAT CONTINUE TO BE OVERLOOKED WHEN IT COMES TO ROAD MAINTENANCE, INFRASTRUCTURE INVESTMENT AND RESPONSIBLE DEVELOPMENT.

THIS YEAR ALONE, THE COUNTY PAVED 740 MILES OF ROADWAY. OUT OF THAT, LESS THAN THREE MILES OF THAT WERE PRIVATE ROADS. ROADS THAT THE COUNTY ACTIVELY USES FOR SERVICES LIKE TRASH COLLECTIONS, MAIL SERVICES, YET REFUSES TO MAINTAIN IT.

MEANWHILE, 250 ROADS, PRIVATE ROADS, REMAIN THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS, EVEN THOUGH COUNTY VEHICLES RELY ON THEM DAILY.

THEY COST ABOUT $4,000 PER MILE TO MAINTAIN A ROAD.

YET, THIS YEAR, WE'VE SPENT OVER $6,000 JUST PULLING OUT GARBAGE TRUCKS ON UNMAINTAINED ROADS. THIS IS NOT FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE. ACCORDING TO THE DATA SUBMITTED BY THE COUNTY IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS LIKE COUNTYSIDE WERE INCLUDED IN LATEST ROAD SURVEY, BUT COMMUNITIES WITH THE WORST ROADS LIKE EAGLES NEST AND HAWK HAVEN WEREN'T EVEN CONSIDERED.

DISTRICTS 4 AND 5 DESERVE THE SAME ATTENTION AND INVESTMENT AS THE REST OF THE COUNTY. ON TOP OF THAT, THE COUNTY RECEIVED $18 MILLION IN STORM WATER AND CULVERT IMPROVEMENT FUNDING, YET WE DO NOT SEE PROGRESS.

THE NEW PARK ON HIGHWAY 21 BARELY HAS OPENED.

MEANWHILE, OVERDEVELOPMENT IN KEYSTONE SPECIFICALLY, ABOUT OUR AIRPORTS AND SUCH, OUR INFRASTRUCTURE IS LAGGING, OUR NATURAL HABITATS ARE DISAPPEARING. IDENTIFY PERSONALLY WITNESSED THE DRASTIC DECLINE OF ALL THE ANIMALS IN THE COUNTY AND THE CHARACTER THAT ONCE DEFINED US. WE'RE ASKING RESPECTFULLY, URGENTLY, AND PLAINLY FOR ACCOUNTABILITY AND FOR EQUALITY.

WHAT'S YOUR PLAN TO ADDRESS THESE NEGLECTED ROADS? WHAT'S YOUR PLAN ON BALANCE AND DEVELOPMENT AND PRESERVATION AND THE ENVIRONMENT AND QUALITY OF THE LIFE AND THE EXISTING RESIDENTS? AND WHEN WILL WE SEE ANY OF THIS IN OUR INVESTMENT IN OUR COMMUNITY, WHICH WE DESERVE? THANK YOU.

ANYONE ELSE? I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. BRING IT BACK TO THE BOARD.

>> I'LL MOVE APPROVAL.

>> THIS IS JUST THE FIRST HEARING.

>> THAT'S RIGHT.

>> SO NO ACTION? >> OKAY.

>> GREAT. NO MORE DISCUSSION THEN? ANYBODY? ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, JENNY.

[21.  Public Hearing to consider Transmittal of COMP 25-0013 (District 5, Comm. Burke) (D. Selig)]

DODIE IS GOING TO PRESENT. PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER TRANSMITTING OF COMP 25-0013, AND THAT IS IN MY DISTRICT.

>> GOOD EVENING. DODIE SELIG, CHIEF PLANNER.

SO, THIS ITEM IS A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT TO CHANGE FUTURE LAND USE FOR AN ITEM.

THIS IS JUST BECAUSE I KNOW WE HAVE A LOT OF FOLKS IN THE AUDIENCE, JUST GIVE THEM A LITTLE BIT OF EXTRA BACKGROUND. THIS IS A TRANSMITTAL HEARING.

COMPREHENSIVE PLANS GO BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION, THEN THEY COME TO THE BOARD. AND THEN, IF THE BOARD APPROVES TRANSMITTAL, THEY'RE SENT TO THE STATE AND THERE'S ABOUT A DOZEN DIFFERENT STATE AGENCIES, LOCAL GOVERNMENTS THAT WE SEND THE APPLICATION TO. THEY BRING US BACK COMMENTS, AND THEN STAFF BRINGS THAT BACK TO THE BOARD AT A SECOND

[01:15:02]

SO, JUST FOR CLARITY'S SAKE. IF IT DOES COME BACK TO THE BOARD, IT WILL PROBABLY BE IN THE FEBRUARY TIME FRAME.

JUST FOR EVERYONE'S -- THE APPLICANT IS KIMBERLY HORN AND ASSOCIATES. THE PROJECT IS AT THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF 315 AND 315-A. IT'S ACTUALLY ON NORTH AND SOUTH SIDES OF 315-A. IT'S THE SPRINGS PLANNING DISTRICT, WHICH IS IN COMMISSION DISTRICT 5, COMMISSIONER BURKE. THERE ARE FOUR PARCELS INVOLVED, PORTIONS OF THOSE PARCELS, AND ONE OUTRIGHT. THE ACTUAL APPLICATION WOULD CHANGE THE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION FROM RURAL RESIDENTIAL AND AGRICULTURE TO RURAL FRINGE, AND THEN THAT COMPANION REZONING APPLICATION WOULD BE PRESENTED DOWN THE ROAD WHEN THESE COME BACK AT THE LATER HEARING. THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS HATCHED IN RED ON THIS MAP AND THE GREEN REPRESENTS THOSE PARCELS WHICH RECEIVED THE MAILING NOTICE OF THE MEETINGS.

ADDITIONALLY, SIGNS WERE PUT UP ON 315- A, 315 AND ON KNOWLES ROAD. ON THE RIGHT IS THE GENERAL LOCATION MAP WITH THE PARCEL IN RED. AND ON THE LEFT ON THE AERIAL, IT'S IN THE YELLOW-HATCHED AREA. THESE TWO MAPS REPRESENT THE FUTURE LAND USE. ON THE LEFT, WE HAVE THE CURRENT FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATIONS, AND YOU CAN SEE THAT THE PARCEL IS SPLIT ON A DIAGONAL, THE BOTTOM PORTION OF IT IS WHITE, AND THAT REPRESENTS THE AGRICULTURAL.

THE YELLOW IS THE RURAL RESIDENTIAL.

RR. ON THE RIGHT IS WHAT WOULD BE PROPOSED, WHICH WOULD BE THE RURAL FRINGE IN THAT ORANGE COLOR.

AND THIS IS THE CURRENT ZONING MAP. JUST PROVIDED SO THAT YOU CAN SEE, AGAIN, IT HAS THAT SAME DIAGONAL SPLIT ZONING, WHICH WOULD BE CHANGED WITH THATTHAT PROSPECTIVE PUD APPLICATION. AND THEN, FOR CONTEXT, THIS IS THE SITE PLAN THAT WASWAS WITH THE PUD APPLICATION.

IT INCLUDES AN ENTRANCE OFF OF 315, WHICH I'LL USE THE LITTLE HIGHLIGHTER FOR YOU ON THE FAR SIDE OVER THERE. 315 RUNS NORTH AND SOUTH HERE ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE SCREEN. THERE'S AN ENTRANCE DOWN HERE AT THE SOUTH PORTION, AND THEN ENTRANCES ACROSS FROM EACH OTHER TO THE NORTH AND SOUTH ON 315-A.

THE PROPOSED PUD WOULD BE FOR SINGLE- FAMILY SUBDIVISION, 160 LOTS. THE DENSITY UNDER RURAL RESIDENTIAL IS ONE UNIT PER ACRE.

THE RURAL FRINGE THAT IS THE APPLICATION TONIGHT IS THREE UNITS PER ACRE, AND THE PROPOSED SUBDIVISION WAS COMING IN UNDER THAT AT 2.48 UNITS PER ACRE.

THEY WERE REQUESTING SOME SETBACK REDUCTIONS, AND THEN IN OFFSET CERTAIN IMPROVEMENTS WERE BEING PROPOSED BY THE -- I'M SORRY.

IT DIDN'T LOOK LIKE THAT ON MY COMPUTER SCREEN, I APOLOGIZE. THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING A 60-FOOT- WIDE PORTION ON THE SOUTH END, RUNNING ACROSS THE SOUTHERN PORTION OF THE PROPERTY, BECAUSE PARTS OF KNOWLES ROAD SIT ON THEIR PROPERTY.

SO, THEY WOULD BE DEDICATING THAT PORTION BACK TO THE COUNTY. THEY WERE PROPOSING VISITOR PARKING, WHICH IS NOT REQUIRED, ADDITIONAL PERIMETER BUFFERS WHERE THEY'RE ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL, BECAUSE THAT'S ALSO NOT REQUIRED, AND ADDITIONAL RIGHT-OF- WAY BUFFER, WHICH IS REQUIRED, BUT THEY WOULD BE PROVIDING MORE. AND THEN, ADDITIONAL RECREATION OPEN SPACE. IF YOU RECALL, THIS WAS ACTUALLY PRESENTED A YEAR AGO, AND AT THAT TIME, THE APPLICANT WAS PROPOSING A LUMP SUM CONTRIBUTION TO THE COUNTY FOR THE 315 AND HIGHWAY 16 INTERCHANGE. WHAT'S CHANGED IN THIS APPLICATION IS THAT THEY ARE NOW PROPOSING TO DESIGN AND CONSTRUCT THE RIGHT TURN LANE. IF YOU'RE DRIVING SOUTH ON 315, TURNING RIGHT, IN OTHER WORDS, WEST ON 16, THEY'RE PROPOSING A RIGHT TURN AS THEY'VE SHOWN IN THIS DRAWING.

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THEY VOTED 6-0 TO RECOMMEND DENIAL FOR BOTH OF THOSE ITEMS. ON NOVEMBER 4TH, BOTH ITEMS WENTWENT TO PLANNING COMMISSION. THEY VOTED 5-3 TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF BOTH ITEMS. STAFF HAS GONE THROUGH THE CRITERIA FOR THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND FINDS THAT THEY ARE MET AND RECOMMENDS TRANSMITTAL OF THE ITEM.

I DO HAVE ONE THING BEFORE YOU TURN THAT OVER TO THE APPLICANT. THEY ARE HERE AND HAVE A PRESENTATION. IN YOUR PACKET, WE INCLUDED A PDF THAT WAS THE PUBLIC COMMENT RECEIVED BY EMAIL BEFORE THE RECEIVED BY EMAIL BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

AND THEN, YOU WOULD HAVE RECEIVED, I BELIEVE, AN EMAIL YESTERDAY OF ALL THE PUBLIC COMMENT THAT HAD BEEN RECEIVED UP TO THE END OF THE DAY BEFORE YOUR MEETING. HOWEVER, WE RECEIVED TWOTWO TODAY, AND I KNOW STAFF HAS THE DIRECTION OF, DON'T BRING, YOU KNOW, PAPER COPIES TO THE MEETING, RIGHT? BUT WE'D APPRECIATE A LITTLE DIRECTION. I THINK YOU WERE EMAILED JUST RIGHT AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING, THOSE LAST TWO. IF YOU WANT TO NOT -- STAFF WOULD JUST REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR FEEDBACK. DO YOU WANT IT ON THE DAY OF? I FEEL -- I DON'T WANT TO BRING YOU PAPER COPIES OF THINGS, BUT I DON'T WANT TO IGNORE SOMETHING THAT CAME IN THIS DAY, SAME DAY, IF THAT'S YOUR PREFERENCE. UNLESS IT'S YOUR PREFERENCE.

>> ANYONE HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ON

THAT? >> I WOULD BE OKAY IF YOU GAVE THEM TO US.

>> YEAH, I SAW THEM BEFORE, LIKE, AT --

>> YEAH. >> WAY BEFORE THE MEETING.

>> WE GOT THE SAME ONES TODAY, DIDN'T WE?

>> RIGHT, YEAH, LIKE RIGHT AT THE START OF THE MEETING.

>> RIGHT. >>

PRACTICALLY. >> RIGHT,

RIGHT. >> AND IF THAT'S FINE, I CAN DO THAT, EMAIL IT TO YOU RIGHT BEFORE, WHATEVER WE RECEIVE RIGHT BEFORE THE MEETING.

I JUST, YOU KNOW --

>> DID THEY JUST SEND THEM TODAY?

>> YES. >> OKAY, WELL, THEN THAT'S THE BEST YOU CAN DO.

>> ONE FROM THE PROPERTY OWNERS AND ONE FROM A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC THAT WERE RECEIVED TO OUR GENERAL INTERNAL EMAIL. YOU KNOW, INBOX.

>> THEY ACTUALLY WERE ALSO EMAILED TO US

INDIVIDUALLY. >> WERE THEY? OKAY. OKAY, WELL --

>> I THINK YOUR QUESTION IS FOR ME, DODIE, BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE A COMPUTER.

I WOULDN'T HAVE HAD ACCESS TO IT JUST BEFORE THE MEETING AND FOR ME, I THINK IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE A HARD CUTOFF.

IF IT'S -- UNLESS YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SOMEBODYSOMEBODY OF -- WELL, NO. I THINK THAT MY POSITION IS IF YOU WANT ME TO SEE IT, I CAN'T GET IT AT 4:00 P.M. ON THE DAY OF THE MEETING THAT YOU'RE WANTING ME TO DISCUSS IT.

IT'S NOT FAIR TO ME, AND IT'S NOT FAIR TO THE PERSON WHO'S SENDING IT TO ME. I WON'T HAVE A CHANCE TO GIVE IT CONSIDERATION.

SO, FOR ME, I DON'T WANT TO SEE IT IF IT'S COMING IN AT 4:00 P.M.

ON THE DAY OF A MEETING.

>> SHE'S THE ONLY ONE THAT DIDN'T HAVE A CHANCE TO SEE IT. SORRY. OKAY.

SO, DIRECTION GOING FORWARD? SEND YOU THE THINGS UP TO THE DAY BEFORE? BUT NOT THE DAY OF? I'M GOOD WITH WHATEVER POLICY

YOU WANT. >> I SAY, SEND THEM. IF WE GET TO THEM, WE GET TO THEM. IF WE DON'T, WE DON'T.

SHE'S NOT GOING TO GET TO THEM. IT'S NOT VERY SMART, UNFORTUNATELY, I'M SORRY, TO SEND IT THE DAY OF. IF YOU WANT US TO SEE IT.

BUT ANYWAY. >> THAT'S WHAT I THINK.

>> OKAY.

>> ALL RIGHT, WE HAVE APPLICANT?

>> DODIE, YOU WERE DONE, I'M SORRY?

>> YES, MA'AM. >> YOU HAVE 15 MINUTES.

>> THANK YOU. DODIE, DO YOU HAVE A CLICKER FOR OUR PRESENTATION?

>> I DO, BUT YOU KNOW, I UPLOADED THIS YESTERDAY. JUST A SECOND.

>> I WILL START WITHOUT IT BECAUSE I'M ON THE CLOCK. GOOD EVENING.

MY NAME IS MARK SHELTON, I'M AN URBAN PLANNER WITH KIMBERLY HORN ASSOCIATES. WITH ME IS GARRETT AND BILL. I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME TONIGHT.

AND I ALSO APPRECIATE YOUR PATIENCE AS I REPEAT A FEW THINGS THAT DODIE JUST MENTIONED. THIS IS A PROJECT THAT WE WITHDREW A YEAR AGO IN 2024 BECAUSE WE WANTED TO GO AND SPEAK TO THE COMMUNITY AND READDRESS SOME OF THE ISSUES THEY HAD AND ACTUALLY REDESIGN OUR SITE. WE DID THAT.

SO THE OLD REQUEST -- THANK YOU. THE OLD REQUEST WAS A LAND USE AMENDMENT AND REZONING TO ALLOW UP TO 214 SINGLE-FAMILY UNITS ON 72 ACRES OFF OF COUNTY ROAD 315. IN A FEW MOMENTS, YOU'LL SEE HOW WE REACHED OUT AND LISTENED TO THE COMMUNITY AND REVISED THE REQUEST.

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AND IF THIS GOES THROUGH, THIS SLIDE SHOWS HOW WE'RE REQUESTING A COMPANION REZONING IN THE SAME AREA FROM AGRICULTURAL RESIDENTIAL AND AGRICULTURAL ZONING TO PUD.

AS YOU KNOW, THIS IS A GROWING PART OF CLAY COUNTY.

THIS PROJECT IS LOCATED WITHIN A MILE AND A HALF OF THE EXPRESSWAY AND A QUARTER- MILE FROM THE 315 REALIGNMENT, AND AS YOU CAN SEE ON THIS EXHIBIT, WE'RE SURROUNDED BY MEGA PROJECTS.

SUCH AS MAGNOLIA POINT, MAGNOLIA WEST, WILLOW SPRINGS, SARATOGA SPRINGS, PETERS CREEK AND AGRICOLA FURTHER TO THE SOUTH, MAKING IS PROPERTY AN INFIELD PARCEL AND A PRIME LOCATION FOR THIS PROJECT.

AS MENTIONED, WE WITHDREW THESE APPLICATIONS LAST YEAR SO THAT WE COULD WORK WITH THE COMMUNITY ON A NEW PLAN. CONDUCTED EXTENSIVE COMMUNITY OUTREACH EARLIER THIS YEAR BY EMAIL, TEXT MESSAGES, PHONE CALLS, IN- PERSON MEETINGS, AND FINISHED WITH A COMMUNITY OPEN HOUSE ON JUNE 30TH.

WHAT YOU SEE HERE IS A COUPLE PICTURES FROM THAT OPEN HOUSE AND A TYPICAL LETTER THAT WE SENT OUT.

IF THIS APPLICATION IS ALLOWED TO MOVE FORWARD, IT WILL BE SHOWN THAT THIS PROJECT IS APPROPRIATE AND DIFFERENT FROM THE OTHER MUCH LARGER PROJECTS AROUND US.

IT WILL HAVE ALL 60- FOOT LOTS. IT WILL SHOW A 25% REDUCTION IN DENSITY. IT WILL BE BELOW THE THREE UNITS PER ACRE MAX. IT WILL HAVE GREATLY INCREASED PARK÷÷PARK IN NONREQUIRED BUFFERS.

RELOCATED PONDS AND AS DODIE MENTIONED, WE'LL BE CONSTRUCTING THE RIGHT TURN AT STATE ROAD 16.

THE TOTAL PROJECT AREA HAS BEEN REDUCED FROM 72 ACRES DOWN TO 64.

THAT'S JUST A QUICK LITTLE OVERVIEW, BUT I THINK MOST OF THE QUESTIONS TONIGHT WILL BE SURROUNDING SOME OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE. SO, I'M GOING TO LEAVE THE REST OF MY TIME FOR BILL SHILLING TO SPEAK ABOUT INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS.

>> THANK YOU, MARK. I'M WITH KIMBERLY HORN AND ASSOCIATES. I'M A PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER, LICENSED TO PRACTICE IN FLORIDA. AS MARK SAID -- YOU HAD ME ON THE RIGHT SLIDE. SORRY ABOUT THAT.

I'M EXCITED TO SHARE WITH YOU AND TALK THROUGH THE INFRASTRUCTURE. AND THAT INFRASTRUCTURE THAT IS IN PLACE TO SUPPORT THE ADDITIONAL DENSITY THAT THIS LAND USE AMENDMENT REQUESTS, AND AGAIN, TONIGHT, WE'RE HERE AS DODIE MENTIONED TO TALK ABOUT THE LAND USE AMENDMENT TO ADD ADDITIONAL DENSITY TO THE LAND, RESIDENTIAL DENSITY.

SO, A COUPLE THINGS ABOUT THE PROJECT TO SHARE.

AND SO, IN THIS SLIDE, THE STAR WITH THE LITTLE ORANGE BUBBLE IS WHERE THE PROJECT IS LOCATED. AND SO, ONE OF THE EXCITING THINGS ABOUT THIS SLIDE IS WHAT HAS CHANGED IN A LITTLE OVER A YEAR÷÷ SINCE WE WERE LAST BEFORE YOU WITH THIS PROJECT.

IN A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE HAS CHANGED. AND CHANGED IN A VERY POSITIVE WAY IN THAT WE ARE NOW ACTUALLY SEEING NEW ROADS THAT HAVE OPENED. CHANGES IN TRAVEL PATTERNS THAT ARE ESSENTIALLY MAKING THINGS BETTER FOR THIS AREA.

AND PROVIDING THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WILL SUPPORT THIS PROJECT. SO, THERE ARE SEVERAL ON THE SLIDE. THERE ARE A COUPLE EXTRA THAT I'M GOING TO HIT ON, BUT SO, FIRST TO MENTION, CATHEDRAL OAKS PARKWAY, AND I KNOW THE COUNTY ENGINEER TALKED ABOUT CATHEDRAL OAKS PARKWAY. IT IS NOW OPEN. WHEN WE WERE HERE A LITTLE OVER A YEAR AGO, IT WAS NOT OPEN YET, SO ROUGHLY 3. 3 MILES HAS NOW BEEN OPENED, A TWO- LANE DIVIDED ARTERIAL THAT IS PARALLEL. IT IS A PARALLEL ROUTE AND FACILITY TO STATE ROAD 16, AND WE ARE SEEING THAT IT IS RELIEVING TRAFFIC FROM STATE ROAD 16 RIGHT NOW.

THE SECOND PIECE OF THE PUZZLE, FIRST COAST EXPRESSWAY, WHEN WE WERE HERE LAST YEAR BEFORE YOU, FIRST COAST EXPRESSWAY, THIS SEGMENT THAT IS NEAR US, WAS NOT OPEN.

AND SO, TODAY, IT IS OPEN, SO THIS SEGMENT OF FIRST COAST EXPRESSWAY THAT YOU SEE IN GREEN TO THE WEST OF OUR PROJECT IS NOW OPEN DOWN TO U.S. 17.

WE ARE SEEING DIVERSION OF TRAFFIC, AND I'LL HIT ON A COUPLE OF ITEMS THERE AS WELL.

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SO, WE HAVE THAT IN HAND, AND WE HAVE÷÷HAVE NEW IMPROVEMENT CLOSE TO A COST OF $55 MILLION THAT HAS BEEN CONSTRUCTED BY CCUA JUST TO OUR WEST.BEEN MR. SMITH ALSO TALKED ABOUT THE STATE ROAD 16 WIDENING, WHICH IS A TPO PRIORITY PROJECT FOR THIS COUNTY. RIGHT NOW, THAT IS UNDER DESIGN.

THE DOT IS DESIGNING THE WIDENING OF STATE ROAD 16, WHICH IS NUMBER 4, SO THE YELLOW EAST- WEST ARROW ON THE SLIDE. THAT DESIGN IS IN PROGRESS.

CONSTRUCTION AND OPENING OF THAT IMPROVEMENT IS EXPECTED IN 2032. AND THEN, AS WELL, THE ITEM THAT'S NUMBER 5, THE BIG YELLOW SWOOP, AND MARC REFERENCED THIS, THIS IS THE CLAY DAIRY PARKWAY OR SOMETIMES REFERRED TO AS THE GREEN COVE BYPASS AS IT GETS SOUTH OF STATE ROAD 16, SO AGAIN, THAT IS AN IMPROVEMENT THAT, WHEN COMPLETED, AND CONSTRUCTION OF THAT HAS NOW COMMENCED÷÷COMMENCED FROM SOUTH, SO CONSTRUCTION OF THAT 315 REALIGNMENT HAS STARTED FROM U.S. 17, WORKING ITS WAY NORTH. THAT WILL TAKE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC OFF OF 315 AND ULTIMATELY THE SEGMENT OF 315 RUNNING ADJACENT TO OUR SITE WILL÷÷WILL THEN MORE AS A LOCAL ROAD.

SO, THEN, ALSO, WHAT IS NOT NOTED ON THIS SLIDE, IS THE NEW ELEMENTARY SCHOOL THAT HAS BEEN BUILT.

SO, JUST NORTH OF US, WE HAVE SPRING PARK ELEMENTARY.

THIS ADDED SIGNIFICANT ELEMENTARY CAPACITY INTO THIS AREA OF THE COUNTY. SO, A COUPLE THINGS, AND NOT TO GET TOO DEEP INTO THE DATA, BUT TO HIT A COUPLE HIGHLIGHTS.

ESSENTIALLY, KIMBERLY HORN CONDUCTED COUNTS IN SEPTEMBER OF 2024 FOR THE PRIOR HEARINGS WHEN WE WERE HERE BEFORE. WE THEN REDID THE COUNTS IN OCTOBER OF THIS YEAR. AFTER THE FIRST COAST EXPRESSWAY OPENED. AND AFTER CATHEDRAL OAKS PARKWAY OPENED. AND WHAT WE MEASURED, ACTUALLY PHYSICALLY MEASURED FROM THE COUNTS, IS THEY HAVE SHOWN THERE IS A REROUTING OF TRAFFIC TO CATHEDRAL OAKS PARKWAY FROM STATE ROAD 16. THOSE COUNTS SHOW THAT IN THE MORNING, THE THROUGH- VOLUME COUNTS ON STATE ROAD 16 AT 315 WERE DOWN BY APPROXIMATELY 14%.

AND IN THE P.M. PEAK HOURS, STATE ROAD 16 THROUGH VOLUMESVOLUMES DOWN BY APPROXIMATELY 20%.

ON 315, COUNTY ROAD 315, AT THE STATE ROAD 16 INTERSECTION, THOSE SOUTHBOUND TRIPS IN THE DECREASED BY A LITTLE OVER 35%. NOW ARE PHYSICALLY SEEING IMPROVEMENTS TO THE OVERALL OPERATION OF THE COUNTY'S ROADWAY INFRASTRUCTURE IN THIS AREA AS THAT NEW CAPACITY IS NOW COMING ONLINE.

SO, A GREAT DEAL OF THIS IS A DISCUSSION OF TIMING. AND SO, I'LL TAKE A MINUTE TO SHARE WHAT THE PROJECT SCHEDULE IS AND HOW THAT FITS INTO ALL THIS TIMING.

THE BLUE LINE ACROSS THE TOP IS THE PROJECT SCHEDULE.

WE RIGHT NOW ARE IN 2025, WORKING ON PERMITTING, DESIGN. WE WOULD THEN GO TO CONSTRUCTION. THE HOUSE ON THIS SLIDE REPRESENTS WHEN WE WOULD EXPECT RESIDENTS TO FIRST START BEING ABLE TO MOVE INTO THIS COMMUNITY, WHICH WE BELIEVE WOULD BE IN, BASICALLY, THE VERY FIRST PART OF 2028. THERE IS AN EXPECTED FIVE- YEAR BUILDOUT, SO WE BELIEVE THAT IT WILL TAKE THROUGH ROUGHLY 2032 FOR ALL THE RESIDENTS -- FOR ALL THE HOMES TO SELL AND RESIDENTS TO MOVE INTO THIS COMMUNITY.

AND AS SHOWN ON THIS SLIDE, WE'VE GOT THE THREE PROJECTS, THE PETERS CREEK WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT EXPANSION, CATHEDRAL OAKS PARKWAY, AND THE FIRST COAST EXTENSION THAT ARE COMPLETED. THEY'RE OPEN TODAY. SO, THOSE ARE BENEFITTING THIS AREA AN WILL BENEFIT AND SUPPORT THOSE HOMES THAT WOULD GO IN THIS PROJECT.

FIRST COAST EXPRESSWAY, THE NEXT SEGMENT FROM U.S. 17 OVER TO I- 95, THAT IS EXPECTED TO BE COMPLETED IN LATE 2031, EARLY 2032.

AGAIN, CONSISTENT WITH THE TIMING OF THIS PROJECT.

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WITH THE LITTLE BULLDOZER SIGNIFYING WHEN CONSTRUCTION IS EXPECTED TO START, WHICH WOULD BE EARLY 2028. WE'RE EXPECTING THAT SEGMENT OF STATE ROAD 16 FROM THE EXPRESSWAY TO 315 OR OR BANK ROAD, TO BASICALLY OCCUR FROM 2028 THROUGH 2031.

TO SUPPORT THIS PROJECT.

OKAY, SO, THE TURN LANE. WE'LL TALK.

I KNOW THIS HAS BEEN REFERENCED. WHEN WE WERE HERE BEFORE, PULTE, THE APPLICANT, PROPOSED PROVIDING, I BELIEVE, $300,000 IN FUNDING FOR THIS IMPROVEMENT.

WE HEARD LOUD AND CLEAR THAT THERE WAS NOT A DESIRE ON THE COUNTY'S PART TO CONSTRUCT THIS IMPROVEMENT. THE COUNTY DOES HAVE A DESIRE FOR THIS IMPROVEMENT. IT HAS BEEN ON THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN FOR MANY YEARS, UNFUNDED AND AS A PART OF THIS PROPOSAL, PULTE IS COMMITTING HERE TODAY AND HAS COMMITTED AS WELL AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION HEARING, THAT THEY WILL TAKE ON THIS IMPROVEMENT, NOT ONLY WILL THEY FUND IT BUT THEY WILL BUILD IT.

THIS IS A VERY SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENT FROM THE COUNTS, BETWEEN THE AM AND THE PM, ROUGHLY 70% OF THE SOUTHBOUND TRAFFIC TURNS RIGHT AT THIS INTERSECTION.

SO, THAT RIGHT TURN LANE IS VERY CRITICAL AND WILL PROVIDE AN IMMEDIATE BENEFIT TO THE MOTORISTS IN THIS PART OF THE COUNTY ONCE IT'S CONSTRUCTED.

AGAIN, PULTE IS COMMITTING TO HAVE THAT TURN LANE CONSTRUCTED AND÷÷AND BEFORE THE FIRST RESIDENT MOVES INTO A HOME INTO THIS COMMUNITY.

SO, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT'S CLEAR. AS WELL.

WE'VE WORKED WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT.

WE HAVE OUR APPROVED SCHOOL CONCURRENCY LETTER.

THIS PROJECT RIGHT NOWNOW CAPACITY BEING HELD, SO SEATS THAT ARE BEING HELD AND RESERVED FOR THIS PROJECT.

THE LETTER WAS ACTUALLY FOR 177 UNITS.

WE NOW KNOWKNOW THAT PROJECT SIZED IT AT 160 UNITS, SO WE'VE SHARED THE ACTUAL NUMBER OF STUDENTS THAT ARE EXPECTED TO BE GENERATED BY THIS PROJECT.

I WON'T HIT ON ALL THE STAFF FINDINGS, BUT THERE ARE A COUPLE THINGS I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT FROM THE STAFF REPORT. AND AGAIN, THANK YOU TO STAFF.

THEY HAVE BEEN VERY GOOD IN WORKING WITH US AS WE'VE WORKED THROUGH THIS PROCESS OF LISTENING TO THE COMMUNITY AND WORKING IN THESE IMPROVEMENTS.

ULTIMATELY, TO MAKE THIS A BETTER PROJECT.

A BETTER PROJECT FOR THE COMMUNITY, A BETTER PROJECT FOR THE RESIDENTS THAT ARE GOING TO LIVE IN THIS COMMUNITY.

BUT THE KEY PIECE OF THIS -- AND I'LL FOCUS ON THE TOP TWO -- ONE IS, COUNTY STAFF ARE -- THEY ARE OUR LOCAL ZONING AND LAND USE EXPERTS. THEY'VE REVIEWED THIS APPLICATION. AND THEY ARE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL. SO, THAT'S ITEM ONE.

ITEM TWO IS FROM STAFF'S REVIEW, THEY HAVE DETERMINED THAT THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED IN AN AREA TRANSITIONING FROM RURAL TO SUBURBAN CHARACTER, AND ESSENTIALLY, THAT THE DENSITY THAT'S BEING PROPOSED IS GOING TO BE SIMILAR TO THAT DENSITY, SPECIFICALLY HERE, 315, 315- A AREA, AND I BELIEVE THAT THEY'RE REFERRING TO THE DENSITY THAT WE'RE SEEING IN SARATOGA SPRINGS AND THE DENSITY THAT'S APPROVED FOR THE RESIDENTIAL AND PETERS CREEK AS WELL. SO, BASED ON THOSE FINDINGS, AND OUR OWN REVIEW AND FINDINGS, WE BELIEVE THAT THE DENSITY THAT'S BEING REQUESTED IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING AREA.

AND THEN FINALLY, TO BRING THIS HOME AND SUMMARIZE, A COUPLE OF BIG ITEMS TO HIT ON.

LET ME MAKE SURE I GET OVER TO MY NOTES PAGE HERE.

SO, A COUPLE THINGS. I'LL RE-EMPHASIZE, NOT TO SAY IT ENOUGH. TONIGHT, OUR REQUEST IS FOR TRANSMITTAL. WE WOULD LIKE TO GET TO THE NEXT LEVEL TO HAVE STATE REVIEW. WE RECOGNIZE TONIGHT IS NOT A FINAL APPROVAL. TONIGHT AS WELL THE PUD IS NOT HERE BEING HEARD, BUT WE ARE ASKING FOR COMMISSION APPROVAL TO GET TO THE STATE SO THAT WE CAN ALSO HAVE THE STATE REVIEW THIS AND PROVIDE THEIR FEEDBACK.

I'D ALSO LIKE TO SHARE, AND REMIND EVERYONE, THAT WE DID GO BEFORE PLANNING COMMISSION, AND

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AND THEN, AS WELL, JUST WANT TO RE-EMPHASIZEEMPHASIZE PULTE HAS DONE A TREMENDOUS JOB OF WORKING WITH THE COMMUNITY, WORKING WITH STAFF TO BRING A PROJECT THAT THEY ARE PROUD OF AND THAT WE ARE PROUD OF AS WELL.

SO, WITH THAT, I KNOW THERE ARE SEVERAL DIFFERENT THINGS.

I'M GOING TO CHECK TO SEE IF THERE'S -- GOOD? OKAY. WITH THAT, WE'RE GOING TO TURN IT BACK OVER. WE RECOGNIZE THERE'S PUBLIC HEARING. OUR TEAM IS HERE AND AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

WE'RE HAPPY TO. AND WE'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT MAY COME UP AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.

>> ALL RIGHT. SO, I'M GOING TO OPEN A PUBLIC HEARING.

I HAD A FEW THINGS I WANTED TO SAY.

HERE IN OUR BOARDROOM, WE ALL TALK ABOUT COMMISSIONER CONDON SAYS IT ALL THE TIME, THAT MY CONSTITUENTS SHOW UP. AND THEY DO. LOOK. THEY SHOW UP.

AND THAT IS ALWAYS AMAZING THING TO ME.

Y'ALL ARE READY AND WILLING TO SUPPORT AND STAND UP FOR WHAT YOU BELIEVE IN.

SO, I APPRECIATE Y'ALL, AND I KNOW EVERYBODY ELSE HERE DOES TOO. WE LOVE IT WHEN OUR CONSTITUENTS COME. SAYING THAT, I DID LISTEN TO PLANNING COMMISSION, AND I WOULD LIKE TO ASK AND REQUEST, TOO, PLEASE NO OUTBURSTS. WHENEVER YOU DO THAT AND SOMEONE ELSE IS SPEAKING, WE CAN'T HEAR, AND I KNOW ALL OF YOU WANT US ALL TO BE ABLE TO HEAR EVERYTHING THAT EVERYONE IS SAYING SO WE CAN ALL FORM OUR OWN OPINION.

AND MY SECOND WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, I DO HAVE A LOT OF CARDS AND THAT'S WONDERFUL BECAUSE IT IS HARD TO GET UP AND STAND AND TALK.

IF YOU'RE GOING TO SAY THE SAME THING OVER AND OVER AGAIN, IT DOESN'T REALLY HELP.

YOU'RE WELCOME TO. BUT YOU KNOW, YOU CAN ALWAYS SAY THAT YOU WAIVE SPEAKING AND SAY IN SUPPORT OR AGAINST.

JUST TO SAY THAT. AGAIN, WE ARE DEFINITELY READY AND WILLING TO LISTEN TO EVERYBODY THAT WANTS TO SPEAK. SO, OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING.

AND I HAVE PAM TIERNEY SPEAKING FIRST.

>> MY NAME IS PAM TIERNEY AND I LIVE CROSS WINDS DRIVE IN GREEN COVE SPRINGS.

I REALIZE THAT YOU'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THE PUD TONIGHT, BUT I THINK THE LAND USAGE CHANGE IS A SLIPPERY SLOPE. AND MOST PEOPLE BEHIND ME ANYWAY ARE NOT GOING TO APPROVE OF IT.

SARATOGA SPRINGS, I MEAN, 4,500 HOUSES ALREADY GOING TO GO IN THERE.

AND IT'S THE SAME AREA. AND THEY SPOKE A LOT ABOUT HE ROADS. HOW THE INFRASTRUCTURE IS GOING TO IMPROVE. BUT IT'S STILL TRAFFIC GRIDLOCKED THERE. AND WE'RE NOT JUST TALKING ABOUT SARATOGA SPRINGS. LAURELTON AND AGRICOLA LAND, THAT'S ANOTHER 6,000 HOMES. THAT'S ALREADY APPROVED. SO, WE'VE GOT A LOT GOING ON ALREADY WITHOUT THIS DEVELOPMENT. I DON'T THINK WE HAVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE, YOU KNOW? IT'S NOT JUST ROAD IMPROVEMENTS. SCHOOLS. ALL OF THAT.

ANYWAY, WE NEED TO STOP APPROVING EVERYTHING THAT COMES ALONG. THE PLANNING COMMISSION APPROVES EVERYTHING. AS THEY SAY, BECAUSE WE'RE BUILDERS, DEVELOPERS. THEY ADMIT IT.

I THINK WE NEED A CHANGE THERE. AND I KNOW ONE THAT IS UP FOR REAPPOINTMENT WAS ONE THAT WAS IN CHARGE OF THE RV PARK NORTH OF HALLER AND SOMEHOW THAT GOT APPROVED. OF COURSE, HE RECUSED HIMSELF, BUT ALL HIS FRIENDS ARE THERE. IT'S A GOOD TIME TO MAKE SOME CHANGES THERE, IN MY OPINION, ON THE PLANNING BOARD. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU, MS. TIERNEY.

>> NEXT, I HAVE JOSEPH TIERNEY.

>> GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS JOE TIERNEY.

I LIVE AT CROSS WINDS WITH THAT LADY.

I'M ALSO A MEMBER OF THE SPRINGS CITIZENS ACTION COMMITTEE. I ATTENDED THE PLANNING BOARD MEETING WHERE THIS DEVELOPMENT WAS DISCUSSED. THERE WERE PROBABLY 50 PEOPLE, MAYBE A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN TONIGHT. FROM THE COMMUNITY AT THAT MEETING, WHO SPOKE IN OPPOSITION TO THIS DEVELOPMENT. THERE WERE TWO PEOPLE THAT WERE IN FAVOR, AND THEY'RE THE PEOPLE SELLING THE LAND.

WHEN THIS MATTER CAME TO THE SPRINGS COMMITTEE, WE VOTED UNANIMOUSLY TO OPPOSE IT. SINCE WE ALSO HAD A GOOD NUMBER OF PEOPLE COME TO OUR MEETING.

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THEY ARE NOT ELECTED, THEY ARE APPOINTED BY YOU GUYS.

WHO DO THEY ANSWER TO? ARE THEY NOT DIRECTED TO ACT IN THE BEST INTERESTS OF THE COMMUNITY? IT'S NO WONDER THAT THIS IS -- THIS COUNTY IS BEING -- IS SEEING SO MUCH UNCHECKED DEVELOPMENT, EVEN WHEN THE MAJORITY OF THE CITIZEN REPRESENTED ARE NOT IN FAVOR OF IT. PERHAPS THE COMMISSIONERS SHOULD TAKE A LOOK AT THE MEMBERSHIP OF THE PLANNING COMMITTEE AND TRY TO BALANCE IT SO WE HAVE A MORE REPRESENTATIVE GROUP OF PEOPLE MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS ON THE FATE OF CLAY COUNTY.

THANK YOU.

>> NEXT I HAVE A CARD FROM JANE, AND SHE IS WAIVING SPEAKING AND SHE IS AGAINST THIS. I HAVE TOMMY HAMMOND.

HE IS WAIVING SPEAKING AND IS IN SUPPORT.

AND NEXT I HAVE RYAN.

>> HELLO, COMMISSIONERS. CAC SPRINGS CHAIRMAN.

NOT COMMISSIONER. SORRY. I'M HERE REPRESENTING THE CITIZENS OF THE SPRINGS CAC. THEY AT BOTH PRIOR MEETINGS MEETINGS BRING GREAT JUST LIKE TONIGHT. ACROSS THE STREET, THERE'S GOING TO BE SARATOGA SPRINGS, WHICH IS 4,000 HOMES.

AND WE STILL DO NOT HAVE -- WE STILL KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON WITH BTI IS GOING TO DO WITH THEIR ACQUIRED PROPERTIES AT GOVERNORS PARK AND AGRICOLA. THEY COULD COME BACK AND RESUBMIT FOR A BIGGER AND DENSER PLAN, AND AS FAR AS THE BUSINESS PARK ACROSS FROM THE FAIRGROUNDS, WELL, LIKE OTHER THINGS, IT'S BEEN IN THE WORKS FOR QUITE SOME TIME, AND WE CANNOT STOP THAT.

BUT ON THIS SITE, WE SHOULD LOOK AT WHAT MAKES CLAY COUNTY SPECIAL, AND THAT'S OUR RURAL COMMUNITIES.

LIKE I SAID BEFORE, THIS DEVELOPMENT DOES NOT FOLLOW THE CHARACTERISTICS OF THIS AREA.

AND ON THIS SIDE OF 315, SO, BUILD THE PROPERTY ZONE 4 AND WE'RE ASKING ONE HOUSE FOR ONE ACRE. THANK YOU.

AND THE OTHER THING IS ON THAT -- I'LL JUST LEAVE IT AT THAT. THANKS A LOT.

>> THANK YOU, RYAN. NEXT I HAVE MICHAEL PONT.

>> GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS MIKE PONT, MY ADDRESS IS 3490 --

>> COULD YOU PUT YOUR MOUTH

>> THE LAND USE AND ZONING REQUEST BEING APPLIED FOR HERE ARE AN EXERCISE IN SPOT ZONING.

THE CLAY COUNTY PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT REGULATION BEING USED TO FACILITATE THIS CHANGE IS HEAVY ON PROCEDURES, DEFINITIONS, AND PROCESSES. ASIDE FROM THE OPENING PARAGRAPH STATEMENT ABOUT PLANNED COMMUNITIES ALLOWING FOR FLEXIBLE AND CREATIVE CONCEPTS OF SITE PLANNING, RESERVING NATURAL AMENITIES IN LAND AND ENCOURAGING SCENIC AND FUNCTIONAL AREAS AND OPEN AREAS, THERE IS PRECIOUS LITTLE IN WHAT THE PUD ENTAILS.

WHICH IS TO SAY, IT IS AMBIGUOUS.

AND THERE IS -- AND WHERE THERE IS AMBIGUITY, THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR EXPLOITATION.

IT ALLOWS FOR IT TO MAKE IT UP AS WE GO APPROACH.

I BELIEVE THIS PARTICULAR REZONING SUBMISSION FAILS TO MEET SEVERAL OF THE BASIC REQUIREMENTS OF THE CLAY COUNTY PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT REGULATION FIRST.

PLANNED COMMUNITY. A COMMUNITY IS COMPOSED OF MANY PARTS. SCHOOLS, CHURCHES, RETAIL STORES, SERVICE ESTABLISHMENTS, PLACES TO WORK, PLACES FOR OUTDOOR ACTIVITIES AND HOMES ARE SOME OF THE -- WHAT MAKES UP A COMMUNITY. WHAT WE HAVE HERE IS A PLAN FOR 160 HOMES AND A NOD TO OUTDOOR ACTIVITIES. SECOND, FLEXIBLE AND CREATIVE SITE PLANNING. NOT EVEN AN ATTEMPT TO GO BEYOND BUILDING AS MANY HOUSES OF THE SAME LOOK AND FEEL AS MAYBE THREE OR FOUR FLOOR PLANS. THIRD, PRESERVING NATURAL AMENITIES. WHAT LITTLE LAND HAS BEEN SET ASIDE TO COVER THIS SPACE IS

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SOME OF THE REQUIREMENTS YOU KNOW, PUD ARE THAT IT IS LARGE- SCALE, SITE SPECIFIC, AND MIXED USE.

THIS MORE OR LESS DEFINES WHAT IS GOING ON WITH SARATOGA AS BIG AS IT IS AND EVERYTHING ELSE, AT LEAST IT MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS FOR PUD TREATMENT.

THIS PROPOSAL BY CONTRAST IS SMALL-SCALE AND SINGLE- USE, NOT A PARTICULARLY GOOD FIT FOR PUD CONSIDERATION. THAT IS, UNLESS THE AMBIGUOUS NATURE OF THE CLAY COUNTY PUD REGULATION IS INTENDED TO ALLOW FOR CASES THAT WILL NOT MEET THE RULES OF ACUTE -- HE WAS A GREEK GEOMETRY GUY. ANYWAY, THIS DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THAT. THIS PROPOSAL WILL ALLOW FOR ONE HOUSE PER TEN ACRES. THE NAME EUCLIDIAN IS A REFERENCE TO THE SUPREME COURT CASE IN 1926 THAT VALIDATED THE USE OF MULTIPLE LAND USE IN ZONING DISTRICTS, BROADLY, RESIDENTIAL, COMMERCIAL, AND INDUSTRIAL ARE ALL SUB UNITS -- DOES THAT MEAN I'M DONE?

>> FINISH UP. >> OKAY.

BASICALLY, THIS IS WHAT ALLOWS US TO A PRACTICE CALLED SPOT ZONING WHICH IS WHEN WHEN SPECIFIC PARCEL OR SMALL AREA OF LAND IS RECLASSIFIED WHEN ZONING REGULATIONS -- WITH ZONING REGULATIONS THAT DIFFER SIGNIFICANTLY FROM SURROUNDING PROPERTIES.

THIS CLASSIFICATION TYPICALLY BENEFITS A PRIVATE OWNER DEVELOPER, ALLOWING A USE OF -- ALLOWING A USE INCONSISTENT WITH THE ESTABLISHED CHARACTER OF THE LARGER UNIFORMLY ZONED AREA.

>> THANK YOU, SIR.

>> NEXT, WE HAVE KIM STACEY AND AFTER THAT, WE HAVE DANNY SMITH.

>> ONCE HE COMES UH, I'M GOING TO KIND OF HELP HIM.

I DON'T KNOW IF THIS MIC IS EVEN WORKING, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU ABOUT IT.

>> IT'S FOR THE ONLINE PEOPLE.

>> OKAY, GOOD. GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS, THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING US TO SPEAK TONIGHT REGARDING THE PROPOSED REZONING OF THE PARCEL COUNTY ROAD 315 AND 315A. I'M HERE TO SPEAK FOR ME, MY NEIGHBORS, THE RESIDENTS WHO HAVE BUILT THEIR LIVES IN THIS COMMUNITY. THE VAST MAJORITY OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD STANDS IN STRONG OPPOSITION OF THIS REZONING REQUEST OF 315 AND 315A.

THIS IS NOT A MATTER OF A FEW DISSENTING VOICES. THIS IS A COLLECTIVE AND UNIFYING STANCE FROM THE COMMUNITY WHERE YOU WERE ELECTED TO REPRESENT. A HANDFUL OF PEOPLE, PERHAPS TWO OR FOUR, INCLUDING THE LANDOWNERS, SUPPORT THIS CHANGE.

THEIR INTERESTS, WHILE VALID FROM A DEVELOPMENT PERSPECTIVE, ARE VASTLY OUTWEIGHED BY THE COLLECTIVE INTEREST OF THE WHETHER ESTABLISHED NEIGHBORHOOD.

WE CHOOSE TO LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE OF THE EXISTING ZONING AND QUALITY OF LIFE. THE PROPOSED CHANGE FUNDAMENTALLY ALTERS THE CHARACTER OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, POTENTIALLY IMPACTING PROPERTY VALUES, LOCAL INFRASTRUCTURES, TRAFFIC AND NOISE LEVELS.

THIS IS NOT A MINOR CONCERN. THEY'RE DIRECTLY AFFECTING OUR DAILY LIVES. WE UNDERSTAND THE NEED FOR GROWTH AND DEVELOPMENT. BUT IT MUST BE DONE RESPONSIBLY IN CONSIDERATION FOR THE EXISTING POPULACE.

IN A DEMOCRACY, THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE MATTERS, THE MAJORITY RULES. IT IS A FUNDAMENTAL PRINCIPLE OF OUR GOVERNMENT.

COMMISSIONERS, YOU HAVE INDICATED THAT MUCH OF THE DEVELOPMENT IN THIS AREA WAS PREAPPROVED UNDER PREVIOUS REGULATIONS.

YOU ALSO MENTIONED THAT THISTHIS PROJECT IS NOT PREAPPROVED AND IS, IN FACT, ENTIRELY WITHIN YOUR AUTHORITY TO DENY. THIS MEANS THE DECISION TO STOP THIS OVERDEVELOPMENT RESTS SOLELY WITHIN YOUR COMMISSION TONIGHT. WE URGE YOU TO EXERCISE YOUR AUTHORITY AND WE ASKASK THAT LISTEN TO THE OVERWHELMING MAJORITY OF YOUR CONSTITUENTS.

PLEASE VOTE DOWN AND DENY THE REZONING OF COUNTY ROAD 315, 315A, AND SUPPORT THE RESIDENTS WHO CALLED THIS COMMUNITY HOME. THANK YOU.

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>> I'LL JUST HOLD IT. I'M A ROCK SINGER NOW.

MY NAME IS DANNY SMITH, I LIVE AT 2248 STOUFFER ROAD.

OUR UNCONTROLLED OVERDEVELOPMENT IS DEVASTATING IMPACT ON INFRASTRUCTURE EVERY DAY. THE RESIDENTS OF OUR COMMUNITY SIT IN GRIDLOCK.

OUR ROADS MEANT TO CONNECT US ARE FAILING UNDER THE SHEER VOLUME OF TRAFFIC THAT NEW DEVELOPMENTS BRING. YET, WE GREEN LIGHT MORE PROJECTS, EXACERBATING THE PROBLEM. WE APPROVE THOUSANDS OF NEW GROUP TALKS WITHOUT THE NECESSARY INVESTMENT IN THE UNDERLYING ARTERIES THAT SUPPORT THEM.

BUT THE ISSUE HERE JUST -- BUT THE ISSUE HERE ISN'T JUST THAT IT'S INCONVENIENT. IT'S A MATTER OF PUBLIC SAFETY.

WE LIVE IN FLORIDA, A STATE VIRTUALLY VULNERABLE TO HURRICANES AND SEVERE WEATHER EVENTS.

IN AN EMERGENCY, THESE TRAFFIC BOTTLENECKS BECOME DEATH TRAPS. WHAT SHOULD BE A 30- MINUTE EVACUATION DRIVE TURNS INTO AN HOURS- LONG NIGHTMARE. WHEN SECONDS COUNT, OUR CURRENT INFRASTRUCTURE LEAVES OUR FAMILIES SITTING TARGETS.

WE NEED AN AUDITORIUM ON LARGE-SCALE DEVELOPMENT UNTIL OUR INFRASTRUCTURE CATCHES UP.

WE MUST PRIORITIZE UPGRADING OUR EVACUATION ROUTES AND ENSURING THAT OUR NEW GROWTH IS FINANCIALLY RESPONSIBLE ON IMPACT. I URGE YOU TO PUT THE SAFETY AND QUALITY OF LIFE OF CURRENT RESIDENTS FIRST, DEMAND SMARTERSMARTER GROWTH, PRIORITIZE OUR ROADS, AND SECURE OUR EVACUATION ROUTES. YOU CAN START BY VOTING DOWN A REZONING COUNTY ROAD 315 AND COUNTY ROAD 315A.

THANK YOU FOR HEARING MY CONCERNS.

>> THANK YOU.

>> WE HAVE STACEY REID NEXT AND THEN GAVIN AFTER HER.

>> I'M STACEY REEVE. I LIVE AT 3411 BROWN ROAD HERE IN GREEN COVE AND I AM ONE OF THE MEMBERS OF THE SPRINGS LIKE IT WAS IMPORTANT FOR ME TO COME AND TELL YOU TONIGHT THAT TONIGHTOUR IS ONE OF THE NEWER ONES.

SO, WE'VE BEEN MEETING FOR ALMOST TWO YEARS.

AND RARELY DO WE HAVE PEOPLE COME AND MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT ABOUT THINGS WE'RE VOTING ON.

BUT AT THIS MEETING, FOR THIS ONE, WE HAD A ROOM FULL OF PEOPLE AND NOT ONE OF THEM WAS IN FAVOR. AND I FEEL LIKE THE REASON THAT WE HAD THESE CITIZENS ADVISORY COUNCILS IS FOR US TO BE A VOICE FOR THEM, FOR THE CITIZENS, AND TO BE A CONDUIT BETWEEN THE CITIZENS AND YOU GUYS. AND SO I JUST NEED TOTO THAT THE VOTE WAS UNANIMOUS.

IT WAS 6-0 TO DENY THIS. I KNOW ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT I QUESTIONED WAS SCHOOL CONCURRENCY.

I THINK WE SHOULD LOOK INTO HOW THEY VOTE ON SCHOOL CONCURRENCY. YOU KNOW, IT'S GIVEN. I KNOW I SPECIFICALLY ASKED ABOUT THAT AND I WAS TOLD THAT THE HIGH SCHOOL WAS ONEONE OF SCHOOLS THAT WOULD BE ABLE TO FACILITATE THIS DEVELOPMENT. AND THAT IS INSANE IF YOU KNOW WHERE THIS IS, THAT YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE TEENAGERS DRIVE 30 MINUTES NORTH TO THE HIGH SCHOOL WHEN CLAY- HIGH IS FIVE MINUTES AWAY. ANOTHER CONCERN IS ALL THE TWO- LANE ROADS.

YOU GUYS, I MEAN, I KNOW YOU HERE. I SEE IT. I TRY TO DEFEND YOU.

ALL THIS TRAFFIC, ALL THE GRIDLOCK, ALL THE CONSTRUCTION, ALL THE GROWTH. THEY WANT TO SAY IT'S Y'ALL'S FAULT AND NOT ONE OF YOU VOTED FOR ANY OF THOSE THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING RIGHT NOW.

THIS WAS ALL DONE PRIOR, AND SO, I JUST THINK THAT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU SHOULD REALIZE IS THAT WE WANT THE CITIZENS TO APPRECIATE WHAT YOU GUYS DO AND FOR US TO DEFEND YOU GUYS THAT YOU LISTEN TO THEM. AND THAT YOU ARE HEARING THEIR CONCERNS AND THAT YOU'RE NOT JUST GREEN LIGHTING THESE DEVELOPMENTS JUST BECAUSE THERE IS CONCURRENCY OR THEY'RE GOING TO BUILD A ROAD OR -- AND PAY FOR A TRAFFIC LANE. SO, I THINK THOSE ARE THINGS THAT ARE IMPORTANT FOR YOU TO UNDERSTAND. SO, THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU.

>> GAVIN CROSS.

NEXT IS KIMBERLY MIDDLETON.

>> GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS CROSS MIDDLETON, I LIVE AT 2266 KNOWLES ROAD AND I'M SPEAKING TONIGHT IN OPPOSITION OF THIS DEVELOPMENT.

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THIS DEVELOPMENT WILL NEGATIVELY IMPACT MY FARMING BUSINESS IN MANY WAYS. IT WAS SAID THAT THERE WOULD BE A WOODED BUFFER LEFT BETWEEN THE HOUSES AND MY GRANDFATHER'S FENCELINE.

BUT WHO IS TO STOP THE FUTURE HOMEOWNERS FROM CLEARING THAT BUFFER, OPENING IT UP TO DIRECT CONTACT WITH MY LIVESTOCK FROM THEIR BACKYARDS? I DO NOT NEED PEOPLE FEEDING OR HARASSING THE LIVESTOCK, ESPECIALLY WHEN I HAVE CALVESCALVES BORN. ALSO, I DON'T NEED THINGS FROM THE BACKYARDS BLOWING INTO THE FIELDS THAT COULD POTENTIALLY HARM THE LIVESTOCK.

THIS MAKES MY JOB EVEN HARDER AS I WOULD HAVE TO KEEP UP WITH THIS ISSUE. WHO WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE CATTLE WHEN SOMETHING HAPPENS DUE TO THIS ISSUE? ANOTHER NEGATIVE IMPACT WOULD BE THE RUNOFF FROM THESE LOTS THAT LINE THE PASTURE.

THERE WILL BE WATER THAT RUNS OFF FROM THE LOTS EVEN WITH THE BUFFER, AND THAT WATER WILL END UP IN THE PASTURES AND COULD POTENTIALLY BE AN EXTREME AMOUNT AS NATURAL LAND AND WATERSHED WILL BE CHANGED.

THIS WATER WILL BE CONTAMINATED WITH THINGS LIKE LAWN FERTILIZERS AND PESTSIDES THAT ARE SPRAYED IN THE YARDS. THE WATER WILL THEN COME INTO DIRECT CONTACT WITH THE SOIL AND LIVESTOCK, AFFECTING THEIR HEALTH. THESE PESTICIDES WILL ALSO HARM MY HONEY BEES THAT I USE TOTO POLLINATE VEGETABLES.

WHO WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE NEGATIVE EFFECTS THAT I FACE FROM THIS WATER RUNOFF? WHEN THIS WATER REACHES THE SPRING-FED POND THAT SITS ON THE PROPERTY, IT WILL CONTAMINATE THE POND, COMPROMISING IT.

I USE THE WATER FROM THIS POND TO WATER MY CROPS LIKE SUGAR CANE, WATERMELONS ANDAND POTATOES.

AND IF THIS POND BECOMES CONTAMINATED, THEN I CAN NO LONGER USE IT TO WATER MY CROPS. THEREFORE, I WILL HAVE TO TAKE A HUGE FINANCIAL LOSS, AND WHO WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR IT? ONCE THE POND BECOMES CONTAMINATED, THERE IS NO FIXING IT. THIS DEVELOPMENT IS GOING TO SEVERELY IMPACT MY FARMING BUSINESS IN A NEGATIVE WAY. I HAVE WORKED OVER HALF MY LIFE TO CREATE AND BUILD IT. THIS IS NOT ONLY MY BUSINESS BUT MY WAY OF LIFE AND IT'S ONE THAT I WANT TO CONTINUE, ONE THAT I WANT -- I WANT THIS FARM TO BE SOMETHING THAT I CAN PASS DOWN TO MY KIDS AS IT IS LAND THAT HAS BEEN IN MY FAMILY FOR MANY, MANY YEARS. AS SOMEONE WHO WILL BE DIRECTLY AND NEGATIVELY AFFECTED BY THIS DEVELOPMENT, I ASK THAT YOU TAKE MY POINTS INTO CONSIDERATION, AND DENY THIS APPLICATION.

>> THANK YOU. KIMBERLY MIDDLETON AND NEXT IS ARTHUR WILBUR JR.

>> GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS KIMBERLY MIDDLETON. I RESIDE AT 2266 KNOWLES CODE IN GREEN COVE SPRINGS. THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK. MY FAMILY'S FARM BORDERS THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT SITE AND WE'VE WORKED THIS LAND FOR MORE THAN 80 YEARS.

OUR FARM PROVIDES YEAR- ROUND FOOD FOR THE COMMUNITY, WHICH INCLUDES THE GREEN COVE SPRINGS FOOD PANTRY AND OUR LOCAL CHURCHES. ON OUR PROPERTY, WE MAINTAIN A TWO- ACRE SPRING- FED POND THAT PROVIDES IRRIGATION FOR SEVERAL OF THE CROPS. WE'RE DEEPLY CONCERNED THAT ALTERING WETLANDS AND DRAINAGE PATTERNS WILL DISRUPT THE NATURAL FLOW OF WATER ACROSS THE SURROUNDING AREA.

THE APPLICATION IDENTIFIES 7.26 ACRES OF POND AREA.

BUT WILL THAT HANDLE THE RUNOFF FROM NEW HOMES AND THE SURROUNDING LANDSCAPE? WATER FOLLOWS THE PATH OF LEAST RESISTANCE, AND WITH APPROXIMATELY 18 HOMES PLANNED ALONG OUR FENCE LINE, RUNOFF FROM BOTH THE RETENTION PONDS AND ADJACENT BACKYARDS WOULD CARRY CONTAMINANTS DIRECTLY INTO OUR SOIL, THREATENING CROPS, PASTURES AND LIVESTOCK. ONCE THAT DAMAGE OCCURS, OUR ABILITY TO FARM IS LOST. WHO HOLDS ACCOUNTABILITY? THE DEVELOPER, THE COUNTY, OR THE NEW UNSUSPECTING HOMEOWNER? THE PROPOSAL STATES THIS PROJECT IS COMPATIBLE WITH SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES. REFERRING AND COMPARING REPEATEDLY TO WILLOW SPRINGS, MAGNOLIA WEST AND THE ALREADY APPROVED 4,400 HOMES OF SARATOGA SPRINGS, BUT, THE LONGSTANDING RURAL RESIDENTS, ARE THE ACTUAL SURROUNDING COMMITTEE.

CLEAR-CUTTING LAND AND CREATING ADDITIONAL FLOOD RISK TO BUILD 160 DENSELY-PACKED HOMES IS NOT COMPATIBLE WITH THE CHARACTER OR EXISTING LAND USE.

IRONICALLY, SARATOGA SPRINGS DEVELOPER AS A CONSTANT COMPARISON TO THIS DEVELOPMENT, HAS BEEN MARKETED WITH DESCRIPTIONS SUCH AS, "RESIDENTS WILL ENJOY FARM-TO-TABLE LIVING WITH OPEN SPACES THAT ENCOURAGE OUTDOOR ACTIVITIES AND A STRONG CONNECTION TO NATURE.

A MASTER PLANNED COMMUNITY FEATURING FARMLAND, SCENIC TRAILS AND AMENITIES DESIGNED FOR SUSTAINABLE LIFESTYLE." THIS IS ALREADY OUR LIVED REALITY.

BUT SOMEHOW, IT ONLY SEEMS TO BE VALUED WHEN IT'S PACKAGED WITHIN AN HA.

I'VE BEEN ADVISED NOT TO SOUND TOO EMOTIONAL WHEN

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CITIZENS SHOULD NOT BE FORCED TO BEAR THE CONSEQUENCES OF SUCH IRRESPONSIBLE GROWTH. I ENCOURAGE YOU, THE BOARD, TO FULLY EVALUATE THE REALITIES OF THIS AREA, PROTECTING OUR EXISTING COMMUNITY AND RECOMMEND DENIAL OF THE PROJECT AS IT IS PROPOSED. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU, KIMBERLY. AFTER ARTHUR, WE HAVE CHIP MIDDLETON NEXT.

>> MY NAME IS ARTHUR WILBUR. I LIVE AT 1698 BATCHLY ROAD.

WHEN I LISTEN TO MY DAUGHTER AND MY GRANDKID STAND UP HERE AND TALK ABOUT WHAT IS FIXING TO TAKE PLACE TO A FAMILY FARM THAT HAS BEEN HERE 80 YEARS, MAKES ME GET REALLY DISTRAUGHT.

THERE IS NOW 18 PARCELS THAT BACK UP TO MY FAMILY FARM.

THESE 18 PARCELS ARE FIXING TO DUMP ALL KIND OF PESTICIDES, FERTILIZER, JUST LIKE MY GRANDSON SAID. I AM PERSONALLY AGAINST THIS.

THIS 30- FOOT BUFFER IS NOT GOING TO RETAIN THIS STUFF. ALL OF THIS IS GOING TO BLEED INTO OUR FARM. WHEN IT DESTROYS IT, LIKE BOTH OF THEM SAID, THERE IS NOTHING LEFT.

WHAT DO YOU DO WHEN IT DESTROYS IT? DO YOU THEN HAVE HAVE UNDERCUT THE LAND TO GET RID OF ALL OF THAT? IF I EVER WANTED TO SELL IT? BECAUSE IT'S TOTALLY CONTAMINATED.

WITH THAT, I AM TOTALLY AGAINST THIS.

AND I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

>> THANK YOU, MR. ARTHUR. I HAVE CHIP MIDDLETON AND YVETTE STEWART.

>> MY NAME IS CHIP, I RESIDE AT 2266 KNOWLES ROAD.

AS YOU HEARD THE REST OF MY FAMILY, I HAD A SPEECH WROTE BUT I'M NOT GOING TO REITERATE EVERYTHING THEY'VE SAID. I AM AGAINST THIS.

I HAVE BEEN IN THE BUILDING TRADES FOR 30 YEARS.

I HAVE BUILT 90% OF WHAT WAS ON FLEMING ISLAND.

I UNDERSTAND THE WATER RUNOFF, AND THERE IS NO WAY THAT THE DEVELOPER IS GOING TO CONTAIN IT. I HAVE SEEN IT YEARS AGO IN EAGLE HARBOR, EAGLE LANDING, THAT THE BUILDER IS LEFT WITH IT, AND AFTER THE BUILDER IS GONE, THE HOMEOWNER IS, AND THEN WHATEVER WATER THAT SHEDS ON TO SOMEBODY ELSE'S PROPERTY IS NOW THAT HOMEOWNER'S.

SO, AS THEY SAID, THIS WATER'S GOING TO SHED ON TO OUR PROPERTY, AND WHO IS GOING TO BE RESPONSIBLE TO TAKE CARE OF IT? AND IT IS GOING TO AFFECT EVERYBODY, NOT JUST US. ALL OF THE OTHER HOUSES AND PROPERTIES AROUND US. I WOULD HOPE THAT Y'ALL WOULD NOT GO FORWARD WITH THIS. AND THANK Y'ALL.

>> THANK YOU.

>> MS. STEWART?

>> GOOD EVENING. I STAND BEFORE YOU, I LIVE IN MIDDLEBURG, AND I HAVE BEEN HERE 30 YEARS.

MY DAUGHTER AND MY CHILDREN WERE RAISED HERE, WENT TO MIDDLEBURG HIGH, ELEMENTARY, THE WHOLE THING. MY DAUGHTER GOT MARRIED AND MOVED TO 315 ALONGSIDE ALL OF YOU HERE. AND IT WAS A PART OF OUR LIFE FOR MANY, MANY YEARS. AND SHE SAW I USED TO GO BY THE COWS, AND I USEDUSED TO SEE THE OUT THERE. AND I USED TO LOVE IT. I USED TO SIT OUTSIDE HER HOUSE AND WATCH IT GO BY, AND I LOVED IT BECAUSE I LIVED IN MANY CITIES LIKE MIAMI, ORLANDO, CHARLESTON, AND I LIVED IN RAMMSTEIN, GERMANY.

MY FATHER AND MOTHER AND LOVED ONE, MY HUSBAND, WAS MILITARY. AND I WORKED FOR THE UNITED STATES AIR FORCE, AND I WORKED FOR THE UNITED STATES NAVY, SO I'VE SEEN CITIES AND TOWNS AND COMMUNITIES AND ALL OVER THE WORLD. SO, I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING THAT EVERYBODY HAS SAID HERE. I HAD A STATEMENT INSIDE MY -- IN MY POCKET HERE, AND I DECIDED THAT EVERYTHING THAT YOU SAID, EVERY ONE OF YOU, WAS WONDERFUL,

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THEY MOWED OVER WITH BULLDOZERS BEARS. WE HAVE PHOTOGRAPHS. IT'S TERRIBLE.

WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO? WE NEED TO PRESERVE OUR TOWN, OUR COUNTY. IT'S IMPORTANT FOR OUR CHILDREN. WE DON'T WANT TO BE ANOTHER ORLANDO. WE DON'T WANT TO BE JACKSONVILLE. I MOVED HERE BECAUSE IT WAS A BEAUTIFUL FARMLAND WITH FORESTS AND HUNTING AND -- EXACTLY. I CAN'T DO ANYTHING.

I CAN'T BRING MY -- I JUST HAD A GREAT- GRANDCHILD BORN, AND I DON'T WANT TO GO OUTSIDE ANYMORE BECAUSE IT'S JUST LIKE -- IT'S TURNING INTO ALL THE CITIES THAT I HAVE BEEN TO THAT I HAVE LEFT.

IT'S NOT -- PROGRESS IS NOT GREAT ALL THE TIME.

COUNTRY IS GREAT. THANK YOU SO MUCH.

>> THANK YOU. SUSAN WELCH.

AND NEXT, WE HAVE HAROLD KNOWLES JR.

>> SUSAN KNOWLES WELCH, 3749 RANDALL ROAD.

I'M ALSO A BEEKEEPER AND BY THE WAY, THERE ARE MORE THAN 200 OF US IN CLAY COUNTY. JUST A SIDE NOTE.

THE BEST I CAN TELL, PULTE HOMES HAS DEVELOPED AT LEAST SIX COMMUNITIES IN CLAY COUNTY. THOSE DEVELOPMENTS ARE SPREAD ALL OVER THE COUNTY. THE LARGEST ONE I CAN FIND CONSISTS OF 150 HOMES, ANOTHER ONE WAS 100 HOMES, AND THE SMALLEST WAS 12, AT LEAST THAT'S THE BEST THAT I COULD FIND.

THAT'S A LOT OF HOMES, AND A LOT OF COOPERATION FROM BOTH THE COUNTY AND FROM THE BUILDER. ON PULTE'S WEBSITE, THEY BOAST HOW THEY UNDERSTAND THE VALUE OF BEING A GOOD NEIGHBOR. AND IN 2022, THEY DONATED $1.8 MILLION TO CHARITIES.

I ASSUME THOSE CHARITIES WERE SPREAD ALL OVER THE NATION, BUT THAT'S STILL A LOT OF MONEY AND A VERY GENEROUS ACT.

I'D LIKE TO PROPOSE THAT PULTE -- TO PULTE THAT THEY DEMONSTRATE THEIR GOOD NEIGHBOR MINDSET BY CONSIDERING WORKING WITH THE NEW FOREST AND FARMS CONSERVATION LAND PROGRAM.

AND PERHAPS HAVE THIS 64 ACRES PROTECTED AS A NATURAL RESOURCE. I COMMUNICATED WITHWITH MS. DODIE, AND I UNDERSTAND THE APPLICATIONS WILL BE AVAILABLE VERY SOON. HOW COOL WOULD IT BE FOR PULTEPULTE ENSURE THE FIRST PARCEL THAT THIS NEW COMMITTEE CONSIDERS IS THIS VERY SAME 64- ACRE PROPERTY? HOW COOL WOULD THAT BE FOR PULTE? IMAGINE THE GREAT PUBLICITY AND THE GOODWILL YOU WOULD RECEIVE IF IT WERE KNOWN THAT PULTE HOMES HELPED TO ENSURE THAT PROTECTION OF WILDLIFE, NATURAL RESOURCES, AND GREEN SPACE, FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE ENVIRONMENT AND FOR THE WELL- BEING OF THE RESIDENTS OF CLAY COUNTY. INSTEAD OF PROCLAIMING, WE UNDERSTAND. YOU COULD ACTUALLY DEMONSTRATE YOUR SINCERITY AND GRATITUDE TO THE RESIDENTS.

PULTE'S HAD MUCH SUCCESS BUILDING HOMES FOR FOLKS HERE IN CLAY AND THAT'S GOOD FOR THE COUNTY. PEOPLE NEED QUALITY SHELTER AND A SECURE PLACE TO CALL HOME. BUT THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE HERE BENEFIT FROM ALL SORTS OF CONDITIONS, NOT EVERYTHING HAS TO BE PAVED. LANDSCAPED OR DEVELOPED TO ASSURE THE QUALITY OF LIVING WE'RE ENTITLED TO AND ENJOY. THIS 64-ACRE PARCEL IS SMALL POTATOES TO PULTE. BUT THIS IS OUR HOME.

AND WE FEEL VERY STRONGLY THAT THAT IT SHOULD BE PROTECTED FROM DEVELOPMENT.

THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. HAROLD KNOWLES JR., AND THEN WE HAVE ROSE KNOWLES AFTER THAT.

>> I'M HAROLD KNOWLES, LIVE ON KNOWLES ROAD.

WHEN YOU START A FAMILY, YOU HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT YOUR NEEDS ARE AND WHAT YOUR WANTS ARE. Y'ALL KIND OF RUN OUR FAMILY IN CLAY COUNTY.

WHAT'S THE NEED FOR THESE HOUSES? WE HAVE HOUSES GOING EVERYWHERE.

A PILE OF THEM. SO, WHAT'S THE NEED? THESE AREN'T BAD PEOPLE. THEY'RE JUST TRYING TO MAKE A LIVING.

THERE'S GREED. WE WANT TO SELL THIS LAND, GET THIS MONEY, DEVELOPER WANTS TO MAKE MONEY, EVERYBODY'S HAPPY, EXCEPT FOR THE PEOPLE THAT'S LEFT WITH IT. WE GOT A LOT OF, IN MY OPINION, TAINTED INFORMATION FROM THE COMMITTEE. ONE GENTLEMAN SAID THEY DID THIS TO US 25 YEARS AGO IN FLEMING ISLAND, NOW IT'S YOUR TURN, THEY'RE GOING TO DO IT TO YOU.

HE VOTED YES. THAT'S A HELL OF A REASON TO VOTE YES. ANOTHER GENTLEMAN SAID, WELL, WE JUST PUT THIS ROAD IN '23, WE GOT TO GET THESE HOUSES IN

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HE TOLD YOU ABOUT THE TRAFFIC, THE INTERSECTION.

A LOT OF IT'S TRUE. HOW BIG IS THE TURN LANE THEY'RE GOING TO MAKE? THEY TALK ABOUT BUILDING A TURN LANE. 30 FOOT, 300 FOOT? THE NEXT THING IS, ONE THING HE DIDN'T BRING UP ABOUT THE TRAFFIC IS HOW MANY ACCIDENTS HAVE BEEN IN THAT INTERSECTION? HOW MANY DEATHS HAS BEEN AT THAT INTERSECTION? SO, WE'RE GETTING ALL THE GOOD, POSITIVE STUFF, BUT WE'RE NOT GETTING THE ACTUAL REALITY OF DAY AFTER DAY AFTER DAY.

ONE GENTLEMAN ON THE COMMITTEE SAID THEY DO ON THIS PROPERTY DOESN'T AFFECT MY PROPERTY. I THINK THAT'S -- THAT HAD TO BE IN THE CLASSIFICATION OF BULLSHIT BECAUSE WHEN THAT TAXES GOES UP ON THAT, IT'S GOING TO GO UP ON MINE.

I CAN'T GROW ANY MORE COWS ON MINE JUST BECAUSE THE TAXES WENT UP NEXT TO ME.

THAT'S GOING TO PUT ME OUT OF BUSINESS.

AND THE WILBURS, THEY BEEN THERE, MY GRANDFATHER STARTED THE PLACE IN 1936. I HATE TO LEAVE IT BECAUSE THE TAXES WENT UP ON SOMEBODY ELSE. I DON'T SEE WHERE WE NEED THESE HOUSES. IF WE HAD A NATURAL DISASTER IN SOUTHWEST CLAY COUNTY, PEOPLE GOT WIPED OUT BY HURRICANE OR FLOOD OR TORNADOS AND WE NEEDED TO BUILD SHELTERS FOR THESE PEOPLE, I WOULD HELP BUILD THE HOUSES.

I'VE GOT EQUIPMENT. I'D HELP CLEAR THE LAND.

BUT WE DON'T NEED THESE HOUSES. AND THAT'S WHERE Y'ALL COME IN.

YOU KNOW, TO HANDLE OUR NEEDS. CLAY COUNTY DOESN'T NEED IT.

MS. COMPERE, I SAT HERE AND SAW YOU ONE TIME AND AND NEVER THOUGHT OF IT THAT WAY, AND YOU'RE KIND OF RIGHT. THE GENTLEMAN WANTED TO REZONE HIS, AND FROM WHAT HE BOUGHT IT AS TO BUSINESS, AND YOU TOLD HIM, WELL, YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR.

I CAN KIND OF UNDERSTAND THAT. HERE, WHY CAN'T WE PARALLEL THAT AND SAY, YOU GET WHAT YOU INHERITED? IT'S AGRICULTURAL LAND. LET'S KEEP IT AGRICULTURE. I JUST DON'T SEE A NEED. THAT'S JUST RIGHT.

THAT'S PERFECT. >> THANK YOU.

>> WE HAVE MS. ROSE AND THEN SUSAN GOOD RICH.

>> MY NAME IS ROSE KNOWLES. AS I'VE SAID BEFORE, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH ANYONE SELLING THEIR LAND, CAR OR ANYTHING ELSE THEY LEGALLY AND ETHICALLY CHOOSE TO SELL.

MY CONCERN IS NOT WITH THE SELLER.

IT'S WITH THE REALTOR ADVISING THEM.

THIS PROPERTY'S BEEN LISTED AS CONTINGENT FOR SEVERAL YEARS.

AND DURING THIS TIME, HOW MANY OFFERS HAVE THEY MISSED? I KNOW THAT I'M ASKED WEEKLY, SOMETIMES DAILY, IF I KNOW ANYONE SELLING LAND. WITH PROPER GUIDANCE I BELIEVE THIS LANDOWNER COULD ALREADY HAVE SOLD HIS PROPERTY AS FIVE OR TEN- ACRE LOTS UNDER THE CURRENT ZONING, WHICH I BELIEVE ALLOWS ONE HOME PER FIVE ACRES.FIVE BUT BUYER THE REALTORS FOUND HAS NO INTENTION OF RESPECTING THAT ZONING AND AS COMMISSIONER COMPERE SAID AT A MEETING SIMILAR TO THIS ONE, YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR. COMMISSIONER CONDON SAID IT THE SAME EVENING. SHE'S TIRED OF PEOPLE COMING TO HER WITH STARS IN THEIR EYES, ASKING FOR REZONING.

THIS BUYER NEEDS TO FIND LAND SUITED TO THEIR GOALS INSTEAD OF TRYING TO CHANGE THE CHARACTER OF THE PROPERTY AFTER PURCHASING IT. WHAT IS THE PURPOSE OF ZONING? AND WHY WOULD WE SAY YES TO MORE HOUSES? WHO ARE WE REPRESENTING, THE RESIDENTS WHO ARE ASKING FOR RESPONSIBLE GROWTH OR THE DEVELOPERS PUSHING FOR MORE? WE ALREADY HAVE MAJOR DEVELOPMENTS UNDER WAY THAT WILL ADD OVER A THOUSAND NEW HOMES TO THIS AREA. THAT'S NOT A SECRET. ONCE COMPLETED, THE COUNTY, NOT THE DEVELOPER, MUST MAINTAIN THE NEW ROADS AND THE INFRASTRUCTURE AT THE TAXPAYERS' EXPENSE AND ONCE THE CONCRETE IS POURED, NOTHING WILL EVER GROW THERE AGAIN.

THAT'S THE REAL COST. I WILL KEEP SAYING THAT.

I REALIZE THE COUNTY WOULD RECEIVE FAR MORE TAX REVENUE FROM 160 HOMES VALUED AT ABOUT $400,000 EACH COMPARED TO WHAT THE LAND CURRENTLY YIELDS, BUT AREN'T WE GOING TO GET THAT TAX REVENUE FROM THE HOMES ALREADY IN PROGRESS? I JUST WANT TO UNDERSTAND. ARE WE REALLY DEPENDING ON THESE 160 HOMES FOR THE COUNTY'S FINANCES? CLAY COUNTY RESIDENTS, NOT JUST THIS COMMUNITY, NEED A WIN.

WE NEED SOMEONE TO HOLD THE LINE AND SAY, NOT THIS TIME. LET THEM WAIT A YEAR.

MAYBE NEXT YEAR, THEY'LL BRING A BETTER PROPOSAL.

MAYBE THE SELLER WILL HIRE A DIFFERENT REALTOR. WHAT'S THE COST OF WAITING ANOTHER YEAR? IF YOU SUPPORT THIS DEVELOPMENT, I HAVE TO ASK, WHO ARE YOU REPRESENTING? ARE YOU REPRESENTING THE TEACHERS IN THIS COUNTY, THE PARENTS, THE FAMILY AND THE FRIENDS OF THE 18-YEAR- OLD YOUNG MAN THAT WAS KILLED IN FRONT OF CLAY HIGH SCHOOL ON TUESDAY MORNING, OCTOBER 21? WE RAISED TRAFFIC CONCERNS LAST YEAR.

AND WE WERE TOLD THE BYPASS WOULD HELP SOLVE THE PROBLEM.

THE BYPASS MAY HAVE CHANGED TRAFFIC PATTERNS, BUT IT DIDN'T REDUCE THE NUMBER OF STUDENTS IN OUR SCHOOLS.

WHEN I RESEARCHED -- WHEN I SEARCHED HOW TO ADVOCATE FOR

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THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU, MS. ROSE. WE HAVE SUSAN GOODRICH AND THEN WE HAVE GEORGE GOODRICH.

>> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONERS. MY NAME IS SUSAN GOODRICH, I LIVE AT COUNTY ROAD 315-A. I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY THAT OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IS NOT A SUBDIVISION. IT IS A WORKING RURAL COMMUNITY MADE UP OF FAMILIES WHO RAISE ANIMALS, GROW FOOD, SUPPORT LOCAL FARMER MARKETS, AND CONTRIBUTE TO LOCAL FOOD BANKS.

EVERY HOME AROUND US IS A PIECE OF CLAY COUNTY'S AGRICULTURAL HERITAGE. PEOPLE RIDE HORSES ALONG OUR ROAD, LIKE THEY USED TO.

AND EVEN RESCUE ANIMALS THAT DEPEND ON SAFE, QUIET SURROUNDINGS. THESE AREN'T HOBBIES. THEY ARE OUR WAY OF LIFE.

ONCE OUR AGRICULTURAL LAND AND LIFESTYLES ARE GONE, THEY CANNOT BE REPLACED. PLEASE VOTE NO.

>> THANK YOU, MS. GOODRICH. GEORGE GOODRICH AND THEN MEAGAN RHODES. NEVER MIND.

WE HAVE, AFTER -- SAMANTHA NELSON.

>> GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

STARTING TO GET COMFORTABLE DOWN HERE.

FIRST OF ALL, I KNOW MARC AND GARRETT HAVE PUT A LOT OF WORK INTO THIS. BUT I STILL FEEL THE APPLICANT HAS NOT PROVIDED COMPELLING REASONS FOR THIS CHANGE THAT IS GOING TO AFFECT A LOT OF US IN THE COMMUNITY AND THE COUNTY AS A WHOLE. IF YOU LOOK AT THE WINNERS AND THE LOSERS IN THIS DEAL, THE FEW WHO WILL RECEIVE FINANCIAL -- THE WINNERS ARE THE FEW THAT WILL RECEIVE FINANCIAL GAIN AND DON'T RESIDE IN CLAY COUNTY. THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE ZIP CODES NOT 32043. THE LOSERS ARE EVERYBODY ELSE.

THE COUNTY, OUR WORKING COMMUNITIES, OUR RURAL FARM HOMESTEADERS, AND AS YOU'LL SEE BY, YOU KNOW, THAT'S REPRESENTED BY MS. ROSE'S PETITION, WHICH IS 22 PAGES OF SIGNATURES, WHICH I SENT TO Y'ALL BY EMAIL.

I HOPE YOU GET A CHANCE TO REVIEW THAT.

THE -- AS YOU SAW IN MY EMAIL, THAT YOU SAW EARLIER THIS WEEK, I'VE RUN COMPUTER MODELS BASED ON THE USGS SURVEY DATA, THE ELEVATIONS, THE TOPOS, AND YOU CAN ALSO SEE IT DEMONSTRATED AS YOU DRIVE DOWN COUNTY ROAD 315 ACROSS FROM WILLOW SPRINGS AND SARATOGA -- OR MAGNOLIA WEST.

THE ELEVATIONS ARE GOING TO FLOOD MY LAND, EVERYTHING TO THE NORTH AND EAST, AND AS MR. WILBUR AND MR. MIDDLETON SAID, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHERE THE WATER'S GOING.

WATER DOESN'T LIE. THESE ELEVATIONS ARE PROBABLY GOING TO BE MUCH HIGHER THAN WHAT'S EXISTING AROUND IT. YOU KNOW, WATER DOESN'T LIE.

AS ROOSTER INDICATED, YOU KNOW, THERE IS NO NEED.

ALSO, IN THE EMAIL I SENT YOU, A SNAPSHOT OF SEVERAL SUBDIVISIONS IN THE LOCAL AREA WHERE THE AVERAGE IS 30 TO 32% INVESTOR-OWNED OUT-OF STATE OWNERSHIP FOR INVESTMENT, SPECULATION, AND THE RENTAL MARKET. YOU KNOW, AS ROOSTER SAID, THAT WOULD BE DIFFERENT. BUT THIS IS THE FACT.

THIS REPRESENTS WHAT'S ACTUALLY THERE.

YOU KNOW, AND LET'S BE VERY CLEAR.

THIS IS NOT AN OPPOSITION TO A LAND SALE.

LAND SELLERS HAVE PROPERTY RIGHTS AND ARE, YOU KNOW, WITHIN THOSE RIGHTS, ABLE TO SELL LAND AND DO WHATEVER MATCHES THE EXISTING ZONING.

BUT AS WAS PREVIOUSLY SAID, A SALE DOESN'T COME WITH AUTOMATIC ENTITLEMENTS.

THE TURN LANE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S SMOKE AND MIRRORS.

THAT'S DISTRACTING FROM THE REAL IMPACT TO OUR COMMUNITY. YOU KNOW, EVERYONE BEHIND ME IS GOING TO HAVE ADDITIONAL COSTS AND BURDEN, WHICH, YOU KNOW, WE REALLY CAN'T AFFORD IN OUR SMALL WORKING COMMUNITY.

WE APPRECIATE YOUR CONSIDERATION AND DENYING THIS REQUEST.

>> SAMANTHA NELSON.

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>> I'M SAMANTHA NELSON. I LIVE AT 2310 FALLING STAR LANE IN GREEN COVE SPRINGS. I MOVED INTO THE CROSS CREEK NEIGHBORHOOD THREE YEARS AGO, AND ONE OF THE REASONS THAT MY HUSBAND AND I PICKED GREEN COVE SPRINGS TO LIVE IN WAS THE BEAUTY AND THE NATURAL RESOURCES AROUND US.

BEFORE WE MOVED HERE, I MADE SURE THAT I UNDERSTOOD WHAT I WAS GETTING INTO.

I UNDERSTOOD ABOUT THE ANIMALS, THE AGRICULTURE AND THE BEAUTY OF THE ENVIRONMENT HERE.

ONE OF THE BIG THINGS THAT ATTRACTED ME TO MOVING THERE.

I UNDERSTAND I MOVED INTO A NEW DEVELOPMENT, WHICH A LOT OF PEOPLE STILL GIVE US A HARD TIME FOR, FOR MOVING INTO THOSE HOMES.

BUT IN THAT THREE- YEAR PERIOD, I HAVE ALSO SEEN MY HOME VALUES DECREASE BECAUSE THERE'S AN OVERWHELMING AMOUNT OF HOMES BEING BUILT IN OUR AREA.

COVID, THE PANDEMIC, IT CHANGED THINGS. IT CHANGED PRICING.

AND IT DROVE PEOPLE HERE BECAUSE THEY WERE LOOKING FOR SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAT OUR STATES COULDN'T PROVIDE, THAT FLORIDA WAS ABLE TO DO FOR US.

SO, WELL, THE NUMBERS THAT THESE GENTLEMEN HAVE PROPOSED HAVE SHOWN THAT THE IMPROVEMENTIMPROVEMENT THERE WITH THEIR INFRASTRUCTURE AND WITH THINGS BEING DEVELOPED. MY EXPERIENCE IS, I'M STUCK IN TRAFFIC WHEN I LEAVE MY NEIGHBORHOOD.

I'M STUCK IN TRAFFIC GOING TO THE GROCERY STORE.

I'M STUCK IN TRAFFIC GETTING TO WINN DIXIE ON 17. I HAVE TO MAKE DIFFERENT ROUTES, DIFFERENT CHOICES FOR MY OPTIONS THAT I NEED TO DO TO MAINTAIN MY LIFESTYLE. WE'RE ALREADY GOING TO BE IMPACTED BY SARATOGA SPRINGS, AND THOSE HOMES NEED TO BE DEVELOPED BEFORE WE EVEN CONSIDERING ADDING MORE HOMES TO CLAY COUNTY OR GREEN COVE SPRINGS IN OUR AREA BECAUSE I'M NOT SURE THAT THE PEOPLE ARE MOVING HERE IN DROVES LIKE THEY WERE BEFORE. AND SO, I'M AGAINST THE TRANSMITTAL TO THE STATE AT THIS TIME.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

>> ALL RIGHT, I HAVE A CARD AGAINST, AND THAT'S FROM MEAGAN RHODES.

AND THEN ANOTHER ONE FROM QUENTIN CARROLL, ALSO AGAINST. WAIVING SPEAKING.

AND JEREMY MIDDLETON, AGAINST, WAIVING SPEAKING. NEXT, I HAVE SERENA WILLMAN.

STELLA WISEMAN WILL BE AFTER SERENA WILLIMAN.

>> MY NAME IS SERENA AND I LIVE AT 2026 KNOWLES ROAD.

I WANT TO SHARE WHAT IT HAS TRULY BEEN LIKE TO GROW UP AND ATTEND SCHOOL IN GREEN COVE SPRINGS BECAUSE THE DECISIONS YOU MAKE ABOUT ADDING MORE HOUSING DIRECTLY IMPACT STUDENTS LIKE ME .WHEN I WAS IN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, THINGS WERE DIFFERENT. CLASS SIZES WERE SMALLER, MAYBE 20 TO 25 STUDENTS. AND TEACHERS HAD MORE TIME AND ENERGY TO SUPPORT EVERY CHILD.

THEY DIDN'T JUST TEACH LESSONS. THEY THOUGHT LIFE SKILLS.

AT CHARLES AND CHARTER LAWN, TEACHERS TOOK TIME DURING THE SCHOOL DAY TO HELP US GROW AS PEOPLE, WHETHER IT WAS LEARNING CURSIVE OR HELPING US THROUGH DIFFICULT DAYS.

THAT INDIVIDUAL ATTENTION SHAPED WHO WE BECAME.

MIDDLE SCHOOLFULS A LITTLE BIT MORE CHALLENGING, BUT WE STILL HAD ACCESS TO HANDS- ON ELECTIVES LIKE SEWING AND COOKING CLASSES THAT TAUGHT REAL- LIFE SKILLS AND HELPED US STAY ENGAGED. THOSE OPPORTUNITIES MATTER, ESPECIALLY DURING SUCH A TOUGH STAGE OF LIFE. HIGH SCHOOL, HOWEVER, WAS A KPLOETLY DIFFERENT EXPERIENCE AND NOT IN A GOOD WAY. CLASS SIZES WERE OFTEN MORE THAN 35 STUDENTS. TEACHERS WERE STRETCHED THIN, FOCUSED MOSTLY ENTIRELY ON PUSHING THROUGH THE CURRICULUM.

EVEN THOUGH TUTORING WAS AVAILABLE, IT DIDN'T HELP STUDENTS WHO HAD TO RIDE THE BUS OR PARTICIPATE IN SPORTS. OUT OF THE 20 OR SO TEACHERS I HAD IN HIGH SCHOOL, ONLY TWO HAD TIME TO BE SURE THEIR STUDENTS WERE PREPARED FOR LIFE OUTSIDE OF SCHOOL, TEACHING US ABOUT TAXES, MONEY MANAGEMENT, INTERVIEWS, AND RESUMES.

THE REST WERE SIMPLY OVERWHELMED.

AND THAT IS THE REAL ISSUE.

OUR SCHOOLS ARE ALREADY OVERWHELMED.

ADDING MORE HOUSING MEANS ADDING MORE STUDENTS TO THE SAME SEVEN HIGH SCHOOLS. FIVE OF WHICH ARE 45 MINUTES AWAY FROM GREEN COVE SPRINGS.

UNLESS UNLESS THERE ARE CONCRETE PLANS TO BUILD AN ADDITIONAL HIGH SCHOOL IN OUR AREA, ADDITIONAL DEVELOPMENT WILL MAKE THIS SITUATION WORSE.

TEACHERS CAN'T EFFECTIVELY TEACH STUDENTS OF 35 OR 40 STUDENTS. STUDENTS FALL BEHIND BECAUSE THE SYSTEM IS TOO STRETCHED TO CATCH THEM. TRANSPORTATION IS ANOTHER MAJOR CONCERN. WE ALREADY DON'T HAVE ENOUGH BUSES OR DRIVERS. AFTERSCHOOL SPORTS OFTEN STRUGGLE TO GET TRANSPORTATION AS IT IS.

HOW ARE WE SUPPOSED TO ACCOMMODATE NEW STUDENTS

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THESE ARE SAFETY ISSUES, EDUCATIONAL ISSUES AND LONG-TERM COMMUNITY ISSUES.

ADDING MORE HOUSING WITHOUT ADDRESSING THESE PROBLEMS FIRST DOES NOT SUPPORT THE YOUTH OF GREEN COVE SPRINGS. IT HARMS THEM.

THANK YOU FOR LISTENING, AND I TRULY HOPE YOU UNDERSTAND HOW DEEPLY THESE DECISIONS AFFECT THE STUDENTS GROWING UP IN THIS COMMUNITY.

>> THANK YOU. AND WHILE THE NEXT PERSON IS COMING UP, I'M GOING TO READ PATRICIA FERNANDEZ IS WAIVING SPEAKING, AGAINST. TERESA -- SKIP THAT ONE. GREGORY TOWNLY, WAVING, SPEAKING AGAINST. JASON NELSON, AGAINST. CHERYL COPELAND, IN SUPPORT.

MARTIN, IN SUPPORT. ROBERT GREENE, WAIVING SPEAKING AGAINST. AND DAVID QUALLS, WAIVING, SPEAKING AGAINST.

THAT'S WHAT IT SAYS. THAT'S FINE. I'LL CHANGE IT. DAVID WANTS TO SPEAK?

>> OH YEAH, ALL RIGHT. YOU CHECKED ON BOTH.

I JUST LOOKED AT THE AGAINST. OR THE -- OKAY. I'LL CALL YOU NEXT. ALL RIGHT, GO AHEAD.

>> HI, MY NAME IS STELLA WISEMAN, 2231 STOUFFER ROAD AND I DON'T REALLY THINK THAT I HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY THAT Y'ALL HAVEN'T ALREADY HEARD. BUT I MEAN, IT'S PRETTY APPARENT, THE ROADS AREN'T READY FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT. WE'VE GOT TOO MUCH.

THERE'S TWO- LANE ROADS COMING IN AND OUT OF THERE, AND ALL THEY CAN SAY THAT SARATOGA SPRINGS, YOU KNOW, OR WHATEVER THE EXPRESSWAYS ARE OPEN AND STUFF, BUT I LIVE OUT THERE. AND I TRAVEL THESE ROADS EVERY DAY.

AND IT'S NOT LIKE THAT. THERE ARE STILL OVERCROWDED AND THEY'RE, LIKE, THE YOUNG GIRL BEFORE ME SAID, THERE'S NO SIDEWALKS.

315, STANDING THERE, YOU SEE CARS GOING ACROSS THE CENTER LINE ALL THE TIME BECAUSE THERE'S NO SIDEWALKS THERE, AND THEY'VE GOT TRASH TRUCKS AND STUFF COMING THERE. IT'S JUST -- ANYWAY.

AND YOU KNOW, WE HEAR AMBULANCES EVERY DAY NOW.

I GREW UP OUT THERE. WE NEVER HEARD THAT.

WE HEAR AMBULANCES EVERY SINGLE DAY.

WITHIN 3. 5 MILES OF MY HOUSE, THERE'S 8,000 HOMES BEING BUILT.

I MEAN, ENOUGH'S -- IT'S JUST TOO MUCH.

RIGHT NOW. UNTIL THE INFRASTRUCTURE CATCHES UP, IT'S NOT FAIR TO THE ANIMALS THAT ARE BEING KILLED. MY HUSBAND FEEDS RACCOONS, AND THAT'S HIS PASTIME BECAUSE HE'S RETIRED.

THERE'S LESS AND LESS BECAUSE OF ALL THE DEVELOPMENT.

IT'S JUST NOT FAIR TO THE ANIMALS.

IT'S NOT FAIR TO THE PEOPLE THAT GREW UP OUT THERE.

YOU KNOW, BROUGHT THEIR HOMES BECAUSE THEY WANTED TO LIVE IN THE COUNTRY AND YOU KNOW? IT'S -- THAT'S JUST MY FEELINGS ON IT, AND I HOPE Y'ALL LISTEN TO THE HUNDREDS OF SIGNATURES THAT WE'VE GOTTEN AND THE MANY, MANY PEOPLE THAT HAVE SHOWED UP TO THE MEETINGS AGAINST THIS.

I HOPE Y'ALL WILL LISTEN. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU.

OKAY. I'M GOING TO GO THROUGH THESE BECAUSE YOU CHECKED BOTH SIDES, SO I NEED TO FIND OUT WHO WANTS TO SPEAK. MARTIN CAULEY? OKAY. DID I ALREADY CALL SOMEBODY ELSE?

>> MY NAME IS MARTIN. 4693 NORTHGATE DRIVE, COLUMBUS, GEORGIA. NO, I DO NOT LIVE IN CLAY COUNTY. I'M ONE OF THE LANDOWNERS.

PROPERTY'S BEEN IN MY FAMILY SINCE 1902.

THAT'S A LONG TIME.

PREDATES MOST ANYBODY THAT'S IN THIS ROOM, I IMAGINE.

INHERITED BY MY MOTHER FROM MY GRANDPARENTS, WHO INHERITED IT FROM THEIR PARENTS. I DON'T HAVE A WHOLE LOT TO SAY.

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I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO SAY OTHER THAN THE FACT THAT WE DIDN'T ASK TO INHERIT IT. IT WAS GIVEN TO US.

WE'RE NOT THE GREEDY SOBS THAT SOME PEOPLE SEEM TO THINK WE Ú ARE. WE WANT TO SETTLE MY MOM'S ESTATE. IT WAS ORIGINALLY IN AN ESTATE, AND THEN WE HAD TO CONVERT IT.

TO INDIVIDUAL OWNERSHIP. BETWEEN ME AND MY SIBLINGS.

AND WE'RE JUST HERE TRYING TO BE ABLE TO SELL THIS PROPERTY. THAT'S ALL I GOT.

AND I AM FOR SELLING.

>> THANK YOU.

>> NOPE, NOPE. SHH. ROOSTER.

CHERYL?

>> MY NAME IS SHERL COPELAND, I'M FROM ALABAMA, SO, NO, I DO NOT LIVE HERE.

MY BROTHER'S ALAN, MARTIN COLLIE AND I DROVE SIX HOURS TO BE HERE FOR THIS MEETING TODAY.

MY BROTHER, HARRY, WHO DOES RESIDE IN THE ZIP CODE IN CLAY COUNTY IS HERE. ON MAY MAY 1, 2022, MY MOTHER, LUCY GOODRICH PASSED AWAY, LEAVING 34 ACRES IN HER ESTATE. HER PROPERTY HAS BEEN DEEDED TO ME AND MY THREE BROTHERS. IT WAS HER DESIRE FOR US TO SATISFY HER WILL AND SELL THE PROPERTY. THE PROPERTY WAS GIVEN TO MY MOTHER BY HER PARENTS, JULIAN AND LUCY GOODRICH. MY GRANDDADDY GOODRICH'S PARENTS OWNED IT BEFORE HIM. THIS PROPERTY HAS BEEN IN THE FAMILY SINCE 1902. ORIGINALLY, IT WAS REFERRED TO AS THE BULLMAN AREA. THE PROPERTY WAS GIVEN TO MY MOTHER WITH NO STRINGS ATTACHED, AND IT WAS A GIFT TO HER.

MY GRANDPARENTS KNEW AT SOME POINT THE PROPERTY WOULD NEED TO MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS PROJECT IS IMPORTANT TO MY FAMILY SO WE CAN SATISFY MY MOTHER'S WILL AND FULLY PUT HER TO REST. GREEN COVE WAS THE SECOND HOME FOR MY SISTER, DECEASED, BROTHERS AND MYSELF GROWING UP. WE SPENT MANY SUMMERS AND HOLIDAYS VISITING OUR GRANDPARENTS AND OTHER RELATIVES, EVEN LIVING HERE FOR A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME DURING MY DAD'S NAVY ASSIGNMENTS. MY BROTHER, HARRY, AND WIFE, AND HIS SON, KYLE AND FAMILY, LIVE ON PROPERTY MY MOM GAVE THEM.

THEIR HOMES WILL BE SURROUNDED ON THREE SIDES BY THIS PROJECT. THEY SUPPORT IT.

THE PULTE GROUP HAS PROPOSED TO BUILD A BEAUTIFUL RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY WITH HOMES AND PARK SPACES. PULTE WOULD LIKE TO NAME THE SUBDIVISION AFTER MY GRANDPARENTS, GOODRICH ESTATES. STREET NAMES WILL BE USED TO HONOR MY GRANDPARENTS, MOTHER, AND PAST FAMILY MEMBERS.

I KNOW OUR GRANDPARENTS AND MOTHER WOULD APPROVE.

NOBODY WANTS TO LIVE -- NOT EVERYBODY WANTS TO LIVE IN A LARGE, INCLUSIVE DEVELOPMENT SUCH AS SARATOGA SPRINGS AND THE DEVELOPMENTS AT GUSTAVSON'S DAIRY.

PULTE IS PRESENTING A GOOD OPTION FOR FAMILY LIVING. THERE WERE AREAS OF CONCERN, BUT PULTE LISTENED. THEY REDESIGNED GOODRICH ESTATES, LOWERING THE NUMBER OF HOMES TO BE BUILT, INCREASING THE BUFFERING, AND INCREASING A LOT SIZE.

THEY CONTACTED RESIDENTS INDIVIDUALLY WITH THEIR CONCERNS AND ANSWERED QUESTIONS.

THEY ADDRESSED TRAFFIC CONCERNS BY INCORPORATING A TURN LANE AT THEIR OWN EXPENSE AT 315 AND STATE ROAD 16 TO BE COMPLETED BEFORE THE FIRST HOUSE IS BUILT. THEY HELD TOWN HALL MEETINGS FOR THOSE RESIDENTS WHO CARED TO ATTEND. CURRENT AND FUTURE TRAFFIC IS NO LONGER A VALID ISSUE. ALL RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS IN DISTRICT 5 HAVE, AT SOME POINT, BEEN PRESENTED TO THE CLAY COUNTY COMMISSIONERS.

WHO VOTED TO REZONE THOSE PROPERTIES.

WE ARE ASKING FOR 65 ACRES TO BE REZONED. A FEW MONTHS AGO, I EMAILED COMMISSIONER BURKE ON BEHALF OF MYSELF AND THE OTHER SELLERS, REQUESTING A MEETING WITH HER TO DISCUSS THE PROJECT. TWO AND A HALF WEEKS LATER, I RECEIVED A RESPONSE. MY REQUEST WAS DENIED.

WE SHOULD HAVE RECEIVED THAT COURTESY FOR A MEETING. IF IT IS SAID THAT THIS PROJECT IS NOT A GOOD FIT FOR THE AREA OR THE TIMING IS NOT RIGHT, THEN NEITHER WAS SARATOGA SPRINGS. IT'S A SHAME POLITICS AND FAMILY DYNAMICS HAVE PLAYED A PART IN THIS REZONING REQUEST. WHAT THIS BOILS DOWN TO IS A FEW AREA RESIDENTS NOT WANTING A NEIGHBORHOOD NEXT TO THEIR PROPERTY. THEY CAN STILL HAVE GARDENS, RAISE COWS, CHICKENS, AND HAVE PIGS.

PULTE HAS DONE THEIR JOB TO ADDRESS THE CONCERNS.

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PLEASE GIVE US A CHANCE TO GO TO STATE FOR APPROVAL. AND I WANT TO CLARIFY A COUPLE THINGS THAT WERE JUST SAID.

OUR PROPERTY HAS NEVER BEEN UP FOR SALE. I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT CAME ABOUT.

BUT IT HAS NEVER BEEN UP FOR SALE BEFORE.

AND MY BROTHER, HARRY, AND HIS FAMILY, KYLE, JAMES, AND SELENA, WILL STILL BE IN THE ZIP CODE. THEY LIVE HERE PERMANENTLY.

SO, THAT'S NOT AN ISSUE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME, AND I APPRECIATE YOUR CONSIDERATION, AND I HOPE YOU'LL VOTE TO APPROVE THIS AND MOVE

FORWARD. >> THANK YOU, MS. COPELAND.

COULD I HAVE JAMES PHOENIX DEAN NEXT AND THEN ALSO SELENA PHOENIX DEAN WOULD BE AFTER HIM.

>> MY NAME IS JAMES PHOENIX DEAN. I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK WITH YOU THIS EVENING. MY FAMILY AND I HAVE OWNED PART OF THIS LAND INVOLVED IN THIS APPLICATION FOR OVER 23 YEARS.

AND MY ELDEST DAUGHTER, HER FAMILY HAS OWNED IT FOR GENERATIONS.

THROUGHOUT THIS TIME, I'VE CONSISTENTLY PAID TAXES, WHICH HVE GONE UP OVER TIME, AND I PAID THEM IN FULL. JUST AS MOST OF CLAY COUNTY RESIDENTS DO TO HELP SUPPORT ESSENTIAL SERVICES THAT BENEFIT OUR SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES.

TODAY, WE ARE REQUESTING APPROVAL FOR LAND USE CHANGE, AND THE SALE OF THE PORTION OF OUR PROPERTY.

I WANT TO EMPHASIZE THAT OUR HOME WILL BE DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO THE NEW COMMUNITY.

AND THAT WE ARE COMFORTABLE WITH THIS BECAUSE OF THE QUALITY OF THE PLAN PULTE IS PROPOSING. IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE WORK THEY HAVE DONE WITH US AND OTHER NEIGHBORS.

AGAIN, THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS COMMUNITY DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO OUR HOME DOES NOT NEGATE OUR FAMILY'S ABILITY TO CONTINUE TO USE OUR LAND AS WE SEE FIT, JUST AS THE SAME AS OUR NEIGHBORS. THAT MAY CONTINUE USING THEIR PROPERTY AS THEY SEE FIT.

WHETHER THAT MEANS GROWING CROPS, PERHAPS GRAZING SOME EXOTIC LIVESTOCK, OR SIMPLY CONTINUING TO PRESERVE THE RURAL CHARACTER OF THE LAND THAT WE ALL SO LOVE. THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY IS THE -- IS IN ALREADY RESIDENTIAL AREA OF KNOWLES ROAD, WHICH NOT -- WHICH DOES NOT IMPEDE ON ANYONE'S ABILITY TO UTILIZE THE LAND AS THEY SEE FIT. NEIGHBORS WILL CONTINUE TO COEXIST TOMORROW AS WE ALL DO TODAY. THE PORTION OF LAND THAT IS BEING SOLD IS WELL SUITED FOR DEVELOPMENT, AND MEETS ALL COUNTY REQUIREMENTS. PULTE HOMES HAS CAREFULLY CONSIDERED THE REQUESTS OF THISTHIS BOARD, COUNTY REGULATIONS, AND THE PERSONAL REQUESTS OF THE COMMUNITY.

THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS TO THEIR ABSOLUTE BEST OF THEIR ABILITY. PULTE HAS GONE ABOVE AND BEYONDBEYOND IN THEIR INTERACTIONS WITH THE NEIGHBORS TO PUT A QUALITY PLAN IN PLACE FOR OUR AREA.

THEY HAVE EXCEEDED EXPECTATIONS WITH THEIR CONCESSIONS, ESPECIALLY WITH THE BUFFERED DESIGN AND THE LOWER DENSITY OF THE NEW COMMUNITY.

WE ARE PARTICULARLY PLEASED WITH THEIR THOUGHTFUL INTEGRATION OF THE GREEN SPACES WHICH SURROUND US.

ESPECIALLY ADJACENT TO OUR NEIGHBORS.

PULTE WILL PAY ITS FAIR SHARE TO THE COUNTY THROUGH IMPACT AND MOBILITY FEES AND IS ADDITIONALLY COMMITTING TO ENSURE THAT ANY NECESSARY IMPROVEMENTS INCLUDING TURN LANES AND ROAD UPGRADES, WILL BE MADE AS PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS.

THE IMPROVEMENTS ARE ABOVE AND BEYOND THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE COUNTY, AND THEY ARE IMPROVEMENTS THAT

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THESE ARE SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENTS, AND THEY HAVE MADE IT CLEAR THAT THEY ARE DEDICATED TO MAKING SURE THE TRANSITION IS RESPONSIBLE, COMPLIANT, AND BENEFICIAL TO THIS COMMUNITY AND ALL SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES.

AS FOR MY FAMILY AND I, WE WELCOME GROWTH IN THIS

AREA. >> CAN YOU FINISH UP, MR. DEAN? YOU'VE ALREADY GONE OVER. CAN YOU BE

FINISHING UP? >> I'M JUST --

>> AS FAR AS YOUR FAMILY?

>> I'M JUST GOING TO SKIP TO THE END. THIS PROCESS EXISTS TO ENSURE FAIRNESS AND WE TRUST THAT THE BOARD WILL EVALUATE THE PROPOSAL THAT THE PRINCIPAL -- WITH THAT PRINCIPLE IN MIND.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION. I'M FOR THIS.

>> THANK YOU, SIR. SELENA PHOENIX DEAN IS NEXT AND NEXT WOULD BE ALAN CAULEY.

>> GOOD EVENING. I KNOW THIS IS A VERY EMOTIONAL TOPIC --

>> MOVE THE MICROPHONE TO YOUR MOUTH. THEY'RE SAYING THEY CAN'T HEAR

YOU. >> MY NAME IS SELENA PHOENIX DEAN AND I AM WITH JAMES, AND I AM ONEONE OF FAMILY THAT OWNS THE PROPERTY THAT IS INCLUDED IN THIS LAND USE REQUEST.

I DID DRAFT UP A STATEMENT, AND I WILL TRY NOT TO REPEAT, AS MANY OF US ARE SAYING THE SAME THING. HOWEVER, OUR FAMILY IS RESPECTFULLY ASKING YOUR SUPPORT IN THIS REZONING. PULTE HAS BEEN VERY RESPECTFUL AND PROFESSIONAL WITH US, AND WE BELIEVE THEY ARE BEING FAIR IN REGARDS TO A LOT OF THE DOCUMENTS AND PROPOSAL THAT THEY HAVE MADE.

THEIR PROPOSAL, WE FEEL, IS CONSISTENT WITH THE CLAY COUNTY COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WITH ITS DIRECTS TO GROWTH AND ESTABLISHMENT WITHIN THE CORRIDORS. IT ENCOURAGES RESIDENTIAL AREAS WITH THE EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE AND SUPPORTS ORDERLY LAND USE. IT ALSO MATCHES THE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN ALREADY ESTABLISHED IN THIS IMMEDIATE AREA. SUCH AS LAURELTON, WHICH WAS FORMERLY KNOWN AS GOVERNORS PARK, SARATOGA SPRINGS, AND AMBERLY, WHICH IS NEXT TO SPRING PARK ELEMENTARY.

ALL OF WHICH HAS SHOWN ON THE COUNTY MAP IN YELLOW, WHICH YOU GUYS HAD SHOWN EARLIER.

THIS COMMUNITY IS MODEST IN COMPARISON AND IS FULLY IN LINE WITH THE COUNTY'S PLANNED GROWTH DIRECTION.

THE CLAY COUNTY UTILITY AUTHORITY HAS CONFIRMED IT HAS SUFFICIENT CAPACITY TO SERVE THIS PROJECT AND PULTE WILL PAY ITS SHARE OF THE IMPROVEMENTS ENSURING THAT GROWTH PAYS FOR ITSELF RATHER THAN SHIFTING IT TO -- SHIFTING THE COST TO TAXPAYERS. IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT TO NOTE THIS DOES NOT AFFECT HOW NEIGHBORING PROPERTY OWNERS USE THEIR LAND. FARMING, LIVESTOCK, AND ALL LAWFUL AGRICULTURAL USES REMAIN FULLY PERMITTED. NO ONE'S PROPERTY RIGHTS ARE REDUCED. I ALSO WANT TO NOTE FACTUALLY AND RESPECTFULLY TWO HOMEOWNERS REQUESTED A MEETING WITH THEIR DIRECT COMMISSIONER REGARDING THIS APPLICATION AND WERE DENIED.

TRANSPARENT LAND USE DECISIONS DEPEND ON OPEN COMMUNICATION, ESPECIALLY WHEN PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS AND LONG-TERM FINANCIAL IMPACTS ARE INVOLVED. THIS REQUEST HONORS PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS AS WELL AS USES ONLY PORTION OF OUR LAND, OUR FAMILY IS REMAINING IN OUR HOME, AGAIN, WE ARE ONLY SELLING A PORTION OF OUR LAND.

IT SUPPORTS COUNTY GOALS FOR MANAGED GROWTH AND EFFICIENT USE OF INFRASTRUCTURE. IT PROVIDES REASONABLE MEASURED ALTERNATIVE TO EITHER LARGE- SCALE DEVELOPMENT OR UNPLANNED -- ORRING IT WILL BE UNPLANNED SPRAWL. THIS REZONING IS NOT AN OVERREACH. IT'S SQUARELY CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND PATTERN OF GROWTH THE COUNTY HAS ALREADY APPROVED IN THIS CORRIDOR. MY FAMILY RESPECTFULLY ASKS FOR YOU TO CONSIDER THIS AND MOVE IT FORWARD.

AND I DO THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR TIME AND SERVICE TO OUR COUNTY. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. WE HAVE ALAN AND THEN CARRIE GOODRICH DUGAN.

>> MY NAME IS ALAN COLLIE. I LIVE IN ALABAMA.

COMMUNITY VERY SIMILAR TO CLAY COUNTY.

BUT ONE THING, AND I AM ONE OF THE LANDOWNERS OF THE LAND. I LIVE IN AN AREA VERY SIMILAR TO CLAY COUNTY, SMITH STATION IS THE FASTEST GROWING AREA IN

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WE'RE THE HIGHEST LEVEL SCHOOLS THAT YOU CAN GET.

I, TOO, OWN A FARM OF SEVERAL ACRES, SURROUNDED BY HOUSES.

BUT JUST LIKE THE PEOPLE AROUND THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, I SURVIVED. WE RAISE 50 HEAT D OF GOATS IN OUR AIR. I HAVE A GARDEN, AND THE HOUSES, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THIS AREA AND MY AREA, WE ONLY HAVE SEPTIC TANKS.

WE CAN'T DRINK OUR WATER. WE CAN'T HAVE A WELL.

PULTE AND THE -- THE AREA AROUND HERE IS PROVIDING SEWAGE, WATER, AND EVERYTHING.

SAME THING WE DON'T HAVE IN THE FASTEST-GROWING ALABAMA.

SO, I ASK YOU TO SUPPORT THE IMPROVEMENTS AND LET THIS GO FORWARD.

>> ALL RIGHT, CARRIE GOODRICH DUGAN AND AND WILL BE HARRY CAULEY.

>> GOOD EVENING. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

MY NAME IS CARRIE GOODRICH DUGAN. I WAS -- I'M A SECOND- GENERATION RESIDENT.

I WAS BORN AND RAISED HERE, LIVED HERE MOST OF MY LIFE UNTIL TEN YEARS AGO WHEN MY HUSBAND HAD TO TRANSFER TO ORLANDO. AND I, TOO, ACTUALLY HAVE A SMALL FARM SURROUNDED BY OTHER HOMES AND DO JUST FINE RAISING MY HORSES THERE AS WELL.

THIS PROPERTY'S BEEN IN MY FAMILY SINCE 1902.

I WANT TO ADDRESS THE BIGGEST MISCONCEPTION IN THE ROOM, THAT WE KEEP GETTING CALLED OUT FOR BEING GREEDY.

WITH THIS SIMPLE STATEMENT. IN 2020, THE PROPERTY APPRAISER, NOT ME, DID NOT REQUEST IT, RECLASSIFIED MY PROPERTY FROM AGRICULTURAL USE TO AGRICULTURAL RESIDENTIAL.

IN SIX SHORT YEARS, MY FAMILY'S TAX BILL HAS GONE UP MORE THAN 1,500%.

NO, I DID NOT MISSPEAK. 1,500%.

I'M NOT SURE HOW MANY OF YOU ARE PREPARED TO MAKE A 1,500

PERCENT -- >> SPEAK TO THE BOARD,

MA'AM. >> WHEN WE'RE TRYING TO SURVIVE AND HOLD ANOTHER HOMESTEAD. BUT IT'S QUITE IMPOSSIBLE, ESPECIALLY ON A PUBLIC SCHOOLTEACHER'S SALARY. FOR SEVERAL YEARS, I'VE TRIED TO REACH OUT TO MY COMMISSIONER.

I'VE TRIED TO REQUEST A MEETING AS OTHERS HAVE HAVE A MEETING, FEELING THAT AS I AM A TAX-PAYING CITIZEN, I HAVE AN EQUAL RGHT TO BE HEARD, AND TO HAVE FEEDBACK GIVEN ONON OUR PROJECT, BUT WITH NO RESPONSE.

THIS PROJECT IS ALREADY FAR LESS INTENSE THAN THE ONE APPROVED NEXT DOOR, WHICH WAS WITHIN 30 FEET OF MY WESTERN PROPERTY LINE. I COULD WALK ACROSS THE CORNER AND BE ON SARATOGA SPRINGS PROPERTY.

YOUR OWN PLANNING COMMISSION STUDIED IT.

THEY FOUND IT CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

I'D LIKE TO REMIND EVERYON OF THAT.

AND I UNDERSTAND GROWTH IS NOT COMFORTABLE, IT'S NOT COMFORTABLE FOR ANYONE.

FLORIDA IS A STATE THAT EVERYONE IS FLOCKING TO, STILL TO THIS DAY.

IT'S ONE OF THE HIGHEST GROWING STATES. THEY'RE NOT GOING TO STOP COMING. YOU CAN TRY TO STOP THIS, BUT PEOPLE ARE GOINGGOING KEEP COMING, AND EVENTUALLY, THIS PROPERTY IS NOT GOING TO REMAIN A WOODED PARCEL FOREVER.

ALSO ON MY PROPERTY, I HAVE HAD ISSUES WITH ONGOING ILLEGAL DUMPING. TRANSIENT CAMPING.

I HAVE CALLED THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT SEVERAL TIMES, NO LASTING FIX. IT WOULD SEEM TO ME I WOULD RATHER HAVE RESPONSIBLE HOMEOWNERS THERE TO HELP BETTER MY PROPERTY VALUES THAN TO SEE HOMELESS CAMPS POPPING UP AND ILLEGAL DUMPING OF GOD KNOWS WHAT ON MY PROPERTY. ALL OF THE LANDOWNERS THAT LIVE AND ARE ADJOINING THIS PROPERTY ARE FULLY ON BOARD WITH THIS. THEY'RE GOING TO REMAIN IN THEIR HOMES.

THEY'RE NOT LEAVING THEIR HOEFRMZ.

THEY'RE GOING TO CONTINUE THEIR FARMING.

AND THERE'S NO GUARANTEE THIS PROPERTY IS EVER GOING TO REMAIN WOODED.

WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT COMMERCIAL ASPECTS AND THINGS DOWN THE ROAD IF THIS HOUSE DOESN'T GO THROUGH.

WE LOOK AROUND YOUR COUNTIES, LOOK AROUND THE STATE OF FLORIDA. AS MUCH AS IT'S NOT FUN, IT'S INEVITABLE. LAST, AND I'LL STOP.

I WANT TO SAY THAT I LOVE THIS COUNTY. LIKE I SAID, I'VE LIVED HERE MOST OF MY LIFE.

IT BREAKS MY HEART TO LET GO OF FAMILY LAND BUT I'M ASKING FOR YOUR APPROVAL AND YOUR HONEST AND FAIR CONSIDERATION.

>> THANK YOU. NEXT IS HARRY CAULEY AND THEN RUSSELL SMITH. I CAN'T TELL IF YOU'RE WANTING TO SPEAK OR NOT.

YES? OKAY, GREAT.

>> GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS HARRY CAULEY, I'M THE OLDEST GRANDSON OF JULIAN AND LUCY GOODRICH. I DID NOT GROW UP HERE, BUT SINCE 1960 HAVE -- HAS LIVED CLOSE ENOUGH THAT I SPENT

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I REMEMBER WHEN COUNTY ROAD 315 AND 315- A WERE DIRT ROADS.

I REMEMBER WHEN THERE WAS A CATTLE GAP AT THE ROSEMARY HILL AND 315. IN 1993, I MOVED TO GREEN COVE SPRING WITH WITH WIFE AND TWO SONS TO HELP SUPPORT MY GRANDMOTHER, LUCY.

SO, WE'VE LIVED HERE 32 YEARS. IN 32 YEARS, I HAVE NOT OPPOSED DITCH FROMFROM ROAD ALL THE WAY OVER TO 315.

I'VE HEARD FROM -- IN OTHER MEETINGS THAT THIS WATER DOES NOT FLOW UNDER 315 LIKE IT'S SUPPOSED TO.

BECAUSE OF SOME ISSUE WITH THE CULVERTS.

I DON'T THINK THAT'S A ARE EZONING ISSUE.

THAT'S A DRAINAGE ISSUE WITH THE COUNTY.

I THINK IF YOU GAVE KIMBERLY HORN TIME, THEY COULD PROBABLY ANSWER QUESTIONS FOR ALL THESE PEOPLE THAT ARE CONCERNED WITH WATER FLOW ON THEIR PROPERTY.

THE OPENING OF A FIRST COAST EXPRESSWAY AND CATHEDRAL OAKS HAS DEFINITELY REDUCED THE TRAFFIC IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE. I LIVE RIGHT ON 315.

WHEN THE COUNTY ROAD 315 ALIGNMENT IS BUILT, IT'S GOING TO REDUCE IT EVEN MORE.

I THINK THE PROPOSED TURN LANE ON THIS -- AT 16 AND 315 IS DEFINITELY NEEDED. AND WOULD MAKE THE INTERSECTION MUCH EASIER AND SAFER TO GET THROUGH. IN SOME MEETING LAST YEAR, I HEARD THAT SOMEBODY SAY MY GRANDPARENTS WOULDN'T SELL THEIR PROPERTY.

WELL, THEY DID SELL THEIR PROPERTY IN 1965.

THEY SOLD 38 ACRES OF PROPERTY. THIS WAS SOMEWHERE UP AROUND MAGNOLIA POINT WEST AREA.

>> YOUR TIME IS UP, SIR, IF YOU COULD JUST FINISH

UP, PLEASE. >> SO, THAT HAS OBVIOUSLY BEEN REZONED. AS FAR AS US REZONING THIS -- OR SPLITTING THIS PROPERTY UP INTO FIVE-ACRE LOTS, I THINK WE HEARD IN THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING ON NOVEMBER 4 THAT THE AVERAGE PRICE OF A HOUSE IN CLAY COUNTY IS RIGHT AROUND $300,000.

THAT'S PROBABLY FOR A HOUSE ON A SMALL ONE-THIRD ACRE LOT. CAN YOU IMAGINE HOW MUCH A HOUSE WOULD COST WITH FIVE ACRES? I DON'T THINK MANY PEOPLE COULD AFFORD THAT.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

RUSSELL SMITH, AND THEN NEXT IS PAMELA HENRY.

I'M SORRY.

PAMELA HENRY HAS WAIVED SPEAKING AND IS AGAINST.

>> COMMISSIONER, I WANT TO SPEAK.

>> YOU DO WANT TO SPEAK? OKAY.

>> MY NAME IS RUSSELL SMITH. I RESIDE AT 3873 COUNTY ROAD 315-A.

I'VE BEEN A RESIDENT OF GREEN COVE SINCE 1972.

BEEN ON 315-A SINCE 1976. GREEN COVE IS A REALLY GREAT PLACE TO GROW UP IN.

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COVE IS A REALLY GREAT PLACE TO GROW UP IN. A LOT OF FREEDOM THERE. HAD THREE LIGHTS IN THE TOWN.

JANICE MARIE WAS THE SHERIFF AND THEY RESPECTED THE NONGROWTH IN GREEN COVE SPRINGS FOR A LONG TIME, BUT THEY'VE SINCE PASSED AND WE USED TO HUNT RIGHT DOWN THAT ROAD PAST THEIR HOUSE, AND ALL THE NEIGHBORS DID TOO. WE WAS ABLE TO OWN HORSES, AND WE RODE HORSES, AND THAT'S JUST UNHEARD OF NOW. THERE'S JUST NO WAY. IT'S TOO DANGEROUS FOR OUR LIVESTOCK. WE'RE, YOU KNOW, THE OTHER DEVELOPMENTS HAVE ENCROACHED SO MUCH THAT IT, YOU KNOW, THE TRAFFIC IS UNBEARABLE.

NO MATTER WHAT THE STATISTICS SAY THEY SAY, WE LIVE THERE, AND IT'S JUST HORRIBLE.

I GOT TWO ELDERLY PARENTS THAT LIVE IN TWO SEPARATE HOUSES ON OUR PROPERTY THERE.

AND WHEN THE FAIR IS THERE -- AND THE FAIR DON'T HAVE TO BE THERE ANYMORE. IF SOMETHING HAPPENS TO THEM AND THEY GET A HEART ATTACK, WHICH, YOU KNOW, MOTHER'S ON OXYGEN, AND YOU KNOW, IT'S DEATHLY FOR THEM, BECAUSE THEY CAN'T GET OUT. I WORK EVERY DAY -- I TRAVEL EVERY DAY. I CAN'T GET OUT.

TAKES ME 30 MINUTES FROM THE HOUSE TO GET UP ON 17 WITH THE NEW OPENINGS, AND YOU KNOW, WE RESPECT THESE PEOPLE AS NEIGHBORS. BUT YOU KNOW, THIS AIN'T THE TIME FOR -- THE INFRASTRUCTURE'S NOT EVEN THERE.

THE ROADS AIN'T PREPARED FOR IT.

I MEAN, WHEN THE FAIR IS THERE, WE'RE LOCKED IN.

WE CANNOT LEAVE OUR HOMES. WE'RE JUST LOCKED IN. THERE'S NO WAY, FOR MILES, IT'S BACKED UP. YOU KNOW? AND ALL WE CAN DO IS ASK FOR THEM TO SELL FIVE- ACRE PLOTS AND KEEP OUR COMMUNITY AGRICULTURE.

YOU SEE THE PASSION THAT THESE PEOPLE HAVE FOR THEIR FARMS. AND IT MIGHT NOT BE MUCH TO THEM, IN ALABAMA.

THEY MIGHT BE ENCROACHED. THEY MIGHT NOT BE A ABLE TO HAVE SEWAGE OR A LOT OF THINGS, BUT MAYBE THEY NEED TO COME BACK AND FARM IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. YOU KNOW? THEY MIGHT HAVE A LITTLE BIT BETTER LIFE.

BUT I JUST WANT TO SAY I'M OPPOSED TO IT AND THANK Y'ALL FOR LISTENING TO ME, AND JUST REALIZE THAT ALL THESE PEOPLE HERE, THEY'RE OPPOSED TO THIS. THEY WANT TO KEEP THEIR LIFE, AND WE'VE BEEN SNUFFED OUT COMPLETELY ALL THE WAY UP TO THE POINT WHERE WE'RE JUST HAVING TO FIGHT FOR WHAT WE'VE GOT LEFT. BASICALLY.

>> AMEN. >> SO, THAT'S WHERE I COME FROM, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. Y'ALL HAVE A NICE DAY.

>> THANK YOU, SIR.

>> I HAVE PAMELA HENRY AND THEN

RUBEN MOODY. >> I'M PAMELA HENRY, 2080 SOUTH COUNTY ROAD 16-A. I'M A HOMESTEADER RIGHT BEHIND CLAY HIGH SCHOOL SO I'M AFFECTED BY ALL THIS AS WELL. JUST A COUPLE THINGS I WANTED TO POINT OUT.

LOT OF PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT THE TRAFFIC PATTERNS CHANGINGCHANGING BECAUSE OF BELTWAY OPENING UP. BUT SOME OF THE EXITS ARE NOT EVEN OPEN.

IT'S NOT REALLY -- WE'RE NOT GETTING A CLEAR IDEA OF WHAT'S GOING TO BE ON CATHEDRAL OAKS, WHAT'S GOING TO BE ON 16 BECAUSE THE EXITS ARE NOT OPEN.

PLEASE TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION. WITH THESE BUILDERS, THEY KEEP TALKING ABOUT CAPACITY.

INFRASTRUCTURE IS FOR FUTURE GROWTH FOR OUR COMMUNITIES TO GROW SMOOTHLY, AND WE DON'T NEED TO FILL IT TO CAPACITY JUST BECAUSE WE THINK WE HAVE IT. I MEAN, IT'S FOR FUTURE GROWTH.

SO, I DON'T LIKE THAT WORD. AND THE LAST THING IS JUST ASK FOR MERCY.

WE KNOW THAT YOU DIDN'T -- WEREN'T PART OF THE DECISIONS THAT HAVE CAUSED A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE, YOU KNOW, COMPLAINING ABOUT.

BUT WE HAVE SHOWN A LOT OF MERCY TO PEOPLE FLEEING DOWN HERE TO THIS FREE STATE OF FLORIDA, AND WELCOMED THEM WITH OPEN ARMS, AND ALL OF US HAVE GIVEN UP THE WAY OF LIFE THAT WE CHOSE WHEN TO CLAY COUNTY. WE HAVE MADE DRASTIC CHANGES.

SO, I JUST SAY THAT YOU GET TO PARTNER WITH YOUR COMMUNITY AND SHOW SOME MERCY IN THIS AREA. A VERY SMALL AREA, COMPARED TO WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH.

AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I REALLY APPRECIATE THE WORK Y'ALL HAVE DONE. I FEEL LIKE YOU'RE OUR ADVOCATES, YOU'RE ON OUR SIDE, AND I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU.

>> THANK YOU. RUBEN MOODY.

AND THEN WE HAVE RUBEN MOODY AGAIN AND THEN TERESA.

>> HELLO.

>> ARE THERE TWO RUBEN MOODIES? I HAVE TWO

CARDS. >> I JUST GOT ONE CARD. I MESSED UP ON ONE CARD.

>> NO PROBLEM.

>> GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS. MY NAME IS RUBEN MOODY, I LIVE IN GREEN COVE SPRINGS. FIRST, LET ME STATE I OPPOSE THE REZONING CR 315 AND 315-A. I WANT TO TALK TONIGHT ABOUT THE PIPES UNDER THE ROADS THAT

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THE PROBLEM WITH THIS IS THE PIPES DO NOT HOLD THE VELOCITY OF WATER DURING --

>> MR. MOODY, I DON'T THINK YOU'RE SPEAKING ABOUT THIS ITEM, ARE YOU? RIGHT?

>> EXCUSE ME?

>> THAT'S NOT THIS ITEM.

>> NO, MA'AM, IT'S NOT THIS

ITEM. >> OKAY, THIS IS ONLY FOR 315. SO, YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT WILL BE LATER.

>> ALL RIGHT, MA'AM.

>> I'M SORRY. YOU DIDN'T HAVE THE NUMBER ON THERE, I GUESS.

>> SORRY, MA'AM.

>> NO PROBLEM. IT WON'T BE TOO LONG, HOPEFULLY.

ALL RIGHT. TERESA? AND THEN NEXT WILL BE CHRISTOPHER PIPPEN.

>> HI, COMMISSIONERS. GOOD EVENING.

I KNOW THERE'S BEEN A LOT SAID HERE, SO I DON'T WANT TO REHASH ALL OF THAT.

I AM TERESA ARIANO, I LIVE IN ORANGE PARK, ZIP CODE 32073. THANKS FOR LETTINGUS SPEAK.

TO ADDRESS A COMMENT THAT'S BEEN MADE BY MANY OF THE SELLERS THIS EVENING, THE SALE OF THE LAND ISN'T THE ISSUE HERE. IT'S THE PROPOSED ARE EZONING.

SO, I MEAN, WE UNDERSTAND THAT. THE LAND -- PROPOSED LAND USE CHANGE IS THE ISSUE. I DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND THEIR REASONING FOR ZONING IF IT'S JUST GOING TO GET CHANGED EVERY TIME SOMEBODY WANTS TO DEVELOP PROPERTY.

I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO REITERATE THE FACT THAT THE SPRINGS CAC UNANIMOUSLY -- THIS HAS BEEN SAID BUT I WANT TO BRING IT BACK UP -- THEY UNANIMOUSLY RECOMMENDED THAT YOU VOTE AGAINST THIS PROPOSAL. I WAS HERE AT THAT MEETING.

AND I BELIEVE IT WAS 3 OF 7, NOT 3 OF 8 PLANNING COMMISSIONERS, SO THAT MATH, I BELIEVE, 9 OF 13, RECOMMENDING THAT YOU VOTE AGAINST THIS CHANGE, BASICALLY COMES OUT TO ALMOST 70%.

SO, I MEAN, 70% OF THESE TWO BODIES' MEMBERS ARE RECOMMENDING THAT YOU VOTE AGAINST THIS PROPOSAL. AS I SAID BEFORE, AT ONE OF THESE, PROBABLY TWO OR THREE OF THEM, MAKING A BAD IDEA MARGINALLY LESS BAD DOES NOT MAKE IT GOOD.

MAKING AN UNWANTED AND UNNEEDED PROJECT BETTER DOES NOT MAKE IT GOOD. WE'VE BEEN OVER AND OVER WHY WE DON'T WANT OR NEED THIS PROJECT, WHICH WOULD BE A CONTINUATION OF THE UNBRIDLED DEVELOPMENT AND I'M ASKING YOU TO VOTE NO.

WE NEED MORE OF WHAT'S ON THAT PICTURE THERE, WHAT'S ON THE SEAL.

WE DON'T NEED MORE DEVELOPMENT. THANK YOU.

PLEASE VOTE NO. >> THANK YOU.

CHRISTOPHER PIPPEN. AND THEN I HAVE MARLENE SCOTT HAS WAIVED SPEAKING. SHE'S AGAINST.

AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO HAVE RYAN WORTHINGTON TO SPEAK NEXT

AFTER CHRISTOPHER. >> HELLO.

CHRISTOPHER PIPPEN, 1232 LION'S DEN. AND I USED TO LIVE NORTHBOUND OF THIS PROPERTY. I DON'T KNOW IF Y'ALL CAN PULL ANOTHER PICTURE UP IF YOU WANT ME TO EXPLAIN WHERE I'M TALKING ABOUT.

BUT THERE'S A CREEK THAT RUNS IN BETWEEN THAT PROPERTY AND ON ONE SIDE, IT'S PROBABLY GOOD 40 FEET UP. AND AS THE BANK, WE USED TO GO THROUGH THERE WITH FLOUNDER GIGS AND FIND BOTTLES, OLD, FROM LIKE THE 1800S, SOME OF THEM HAND-BLOWN GLASS AND WHEN THE HURRICANES WOULD COME THROUGH, IT WOULD KNOCK PART OF THE BANK OUT. AND ALL YOU WOULD SEE WAS BOTTLES IN THERE. SO, NATURALLY, I WAS CURIOUS, AND I ASKED THE GUY, TWO PEOPLE, ONE OF THEM BEING IRVING GOODRICH, AND THE OTHER GUY WAS LIVING ON THAT PROPERTY, HE WAS 103 YEARS OLD AND HE TOLD ME THAT THE PROPERTY, ONLY THIS NORTHBOUND SECTION, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE REST ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ROAD, THAT BACK IN THE 1800S, THE MID TO LATE 1800S, IT WAS A DUMP.

SO, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S DOCUMENTED ANYWHERE OR WHAT.

I JUST WANT Y'ALL AWARE OF THAT. I FOUND BOTTLES, LIKE GLASS BOTTLES THAT SAID "HEROIN" ON THEM. OBVIOUSLY, EMPTY.

BUT THEY'RE REALLY COOL BOTTLES IF YOU'RE INTO THAT.

I JUST WANTED Y'ALL TO BE AWARE IF YOU'RE BUILDING HOUSES ON TOP OF ALL

THAT. >> THANK YOU, SIR.

THANK YOU. MR. WORTHINGTON, WERE YOU SWORN IN OR DID YOU COME IN LATE? WE'RE GOING TO SWEAR YOU IN IF

YOU DON'T MIND. >> SURE.

>> RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. DO YOU SOLEMNLY SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE TESTIMONY YOU'RE ABOUT TO GIVE WILL BE THE WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH, SO HELP YOU GOD.

>> I DO. >> THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU, CHAIR. MY NAME IS RYAN WORTHINGTON.

I LIVE AT 5665 SHARON ROAD. INCREASING THE DENSITY OF THIS PROPERTY IS COMPLETELY UNNECESSARY. IT IS NOT MEETING A CURRENT NEED FOR HOUSING. ESPECIALLY CONSIDERING THAT WE ALREADY HAVE THOUSANDS OF HOUSESHOUSES APPROVED WITHIN A COUPLE MILES OF THIS AREA.

AND ALSO, ANY KIND OF TRAFFIC REDUCTIONS THAT WE CAN EXPECT, EVEN WITH THE TURN LANE, ARE GOING TO EVAPORATE WHEN THOSE HOUSES ARE BUILT.

I COMMUTE THROUGH THAT AREA JUST ABOUT AREA DAY, AND I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY OF THE TRAFFIC REDUCTIONS MENTIONED IN THE PRESENTATION.

THIS REQUEST IS ALSO GOING TO RESULT IN INCREASED NUTRIENT POLLUTION TO THE

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AND THAT'S NOT TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION THE FERTILIZER, NUTRIENT POLLUTION THAT'S GOING TO LEACH RIGHT THROUGH THE SOIL AND GO INTO THE WATERSHED.

DOCTOR'S LAKE WAS A PRISTINE SPOT TO SWIM IN AND RECREATE IN BEFORE THE DEVELOPMENT SWEPT ACROSS FLEMING ISLAND.

NOW, EVERY JUNE, WE SEE WARNINGS ABOUT TOXIC ALGAE OUTBREAKS AND WARNINGS TO AVOID CONTACT WITH THE WATER. WE SHOULDN'T ACCEPT THAT, AND WE DEFINITELY DON'T WANT THAT TO OCCUR AROUND IN THE ST. JOHN'S AROUND SPRING PARK. URBAN SPRAWL SWEEPING ACROSS CLAY COUNTY. WE REALLY NEED TO RETAIN SOME SEMBLANCE OF CLAY COUNTY'S CHARACTER AND AGRICULTURAL HERITAGE.

SO, PLEASE VOTE NO. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU, SIR. I HAVE A CARD FOR MARK. ARE YOU SPEAKING ON THIS ONE?

>> WAIVING, AGAINST IT.

>> AND THEN MICHAEL PONT, ARE YOU SPEAKING ON THIS OR ANOTHER ITEM?

>> YOU'RE SPEAKING ON ANOTHER ITEM.

GOT YOU. OKAY. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK THAT DID NOT SPEAK YET?

>> BEG YOUR PARDON. I HAVE ABOUT 30 SECONDS.

I NEED TO APOLOGIZE TO THE BOARD. MAKE ANOTHER APOLOGY. I'VE GOT AN IDEA THAT MAY MAKE ALL OF THIS GREAT.

>> WE CAN'T DO IT RIGHT NOW, ROOSTER.

SORRY. THANK YOU.

OKAY. NO ONE ELSE THEN? I'M GOING TO CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING. BRING IT BACK TO THE BOARD.

>> GARRETT WITH PULTE HOME COMPANY.HOME ADDRESS, JACKSONVILLE, FLORIDA. LOOK, WE HEARD A LOT OF COMMENTARY÷÷ THIS EVENING ABOUT PEOPLE'S PERSONAL KIND OF HISTORY WITH THIS AREA AND KIND OF WHAT THEY KNOW IT AS AND I, NOR THE PROPERTY OWNERS, ARE HERE TRYING TO REFUTE ANY OF THAT.

THERE'S BEEN, YOU KNOW, KIND OF CONSISTENT COMMENTARY THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS IN TERMS OF PLANNING COMMISSION BCC, THE COMMUNITY OUTREACH THAT WE HAD, THE COMMUNITY MEETINGS, AND I THINK THAT PROBABLY LEAVES EVERYBODY IN THIS ROOM TO WONDER, WELL, WHY ARE WE STILL HERE? WHY DO WE FEEL CONFIDENT ENOUGH TO BRING THIS FORWARD AND CONTINUE TO SPEND TIME AND MONEY FOR OUROUR AND WHY DO THESE PEOPLE THINK THAT'S REASONABLE? I'M JUST GOING TO QUICKLY OUTLINE A FEW OF THOSE REASONS. I THINK THAT FIRST OFF, IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT, AS WE'VE DISCUSSED TODAY, THAT THE FIRST COAST EXPRESSWAY HAS OPENED WITHIN A COUPLE MILES OF THIS PROPERTY.

I KNOW THAT'S REPEATEDLY SAID, BUT THAT'S SAID BECAUSE IT'S EXPANDING DRIVE TIMES TO MAJOR MAJOR÷÷ CENTERS. IT'S ATTRACTING MAJOR JOB CENTERS TO CLAY COUNTY, SUCH AS THE PETERS CREEK BUSINESS PARK DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM THIS PROJECT. YOU HAVE THIS COUNTY, THIS BOARD, SPENDING MONEY ON INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS SUCH AS CATHEDRAL OAKS PARKWAY TO BENEFIT EXISTING RESIDENTS. YOU HAVE THE CLAY COUNTY UTILITY AUTHORITY INVESTING OVER $50 MILLION TO EXPAND UTILITY INFRASTRUCTURE IN THIS AREA.

IF CLAY COUNTY STAFF RECOMMENDING APPROVAL FOR THIS APPLICATION÷÷ BASED ON THE MERITS AND THE EVIDENCE OF THIS PROJECT. WE HAD OUR COUNTY ENGINEER, YOUR COUNTY ENGINEER, SPEAKING AT PLANNING COMMISSION ABOUT THESE LARGE-SCALE INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS IN THIS COUNTY AND HOW SPECIFICALLY THIS AREA IS CHANGING.

AGAIN, I SAY THAT RESPECTFULLY, BURR I DO BELIEVE THERE'S A FACTUAL REALITY THAT THERE IS CHANGE IN THIS AREA HAPPENING NOW AND CONTINUING TOTO BASED ON CURRENT ENTITLEMENTS AND FUTURE REQUESTS SUCH AS THIS. YOU HAVE PLANNING COMMISSION, I BELIEVE, RECOGNIZING THOSE KIND OF MACRO- LEVEL FACTS IN THIS EQUATION OUTSIDE OF JUST THIS, YOU KNOW, KIND OF MICRO, UM, RESISTANT TO CHANGE, WHICH, AGAIN, I RESPECT AND I UNDERSTAND, BUT I'M JUST PRESENTING YOU THE EVIDENCE IN TERMS OF WHY WE'RE STILL HERE TODAY.

LASTLY, YOU HAVE PRIVATE BUSINESS SUCH AS REINHOLT SUBMITTING APPLICATIONS FOR A NEAR MILLION SQUARE FEET OF INDUSTRIAL AND COMMERCIAL SPACES.

YOU HAVE PRIVATE BUSINESS OWNERS TO THE NORTH STARTING MULTIPLE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS WORTH OF SITE DEVELOPMENT. REALLY TO BE HERE AND SERVE THIS COMMUNITY. SO, THESE LANDOWNERS HAVE RECOGNIZED THAT ULTIMATELY, THIS AREA IS CHANGING. WE'VE TRIED, AND I ÚBELIEVE TO ABSOLUTE ABILITY, YOU KNOW, CONVERSED WITH NEIGHBORS. I'VE SPENT HOURS AND HOURS OF MY TIME TRYING TO PUT MY BEST FOOT FORWARD TO MAKE THIS A SENSIBLE PROJECT, AND I BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE DONE THAT HERE, AND AGAIN,

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>> I'LL BRING IT BACK TO THE

BOARD. >> MADAM CHAIR, COURTNEY, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU.

>> I DO NEED TO ASK FOR EX PARTE

DISCLOSURE. >> I'M VERY CONFUSED WHY WE'RE DOING THE SWEARING IN AND EX PARTE. THIS IS NOT A REZONING, AND IT GREATLY AFFECTS WHAT I'M GOING TO SAY. SO, I NEED CLARIFICATION.

>> SO, I THINK BECAUSE IT IS -- IT WILL BE TIED TO IT, I THINK THAT'S WHY THE DETERMINATION WAS MADE TO SWEAR THEM IN.

BUT I DO THINK YOU SHOULD DO YOUR EX PARTE DISCLOSURES, JUST BECAUSE I KNOW THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR QUITE SOME TIME. BUT YOU ARE CORRECT.

IT IS A TRANSMITTAL, AND IT IS FOR LAND

USE. >> BECAUSE I GREATLY FEEL LIKE WE ARE BEING SET UP FOR LITIGATION. AND HERE'S WHAT I SAY TO THAT, TO YOU, WHOEVER THIS IS. BRING IT.

BECAUSE THE -- I'VE READ EVERY SINGLE EMAIL ON THIS.

ITCH LISTENED TO PHONE CALLS. I'VE TALKED TO PROBABLY MOST OF YOU IN THE ROOM, AND I COULDN'T EVEN LIST MY EX PARTE COMMUNICATION BECAUSE I CAN'T REMEMBER EVERYBODY'S NAMES, AND I APOLOGIZE, BUT YOU'RE NOT MY CONSTITUENTS. SO, I APOLOGIZE THAT I DON'T REMEMBER YOUR NAMES. I HAVE NOT SPOKEN TO YOU ALL.

I'VE READ YOUR STUFF, BUT THEN SOMEBODY TONIGHT HAS A SPEECH THAT THEY SAID THEY -- THAT THEY WROTE, AND I READ THE EXACT SAME EMAIL FROM SOMEBODY ELSE. AND SO, IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE IT'S ALL BEEN WRITTEN BY SOME ATTORNEY, WHO'S GETTING READY TO SUE US. AND AGAIN, I SAY, BRING IT.

HERE'S WHAT I'LL SAY TO THAT. WE GOT ONE EMAIL THAT SAYS, THIS REQUEST HONORS PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS. NO, IT DOESN'T. YOU HAVE A -- YOU HAVE PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS THAT ARE ENTITLED TO WHAT YOUR PROPERTY IS ZONED. WE DID NOT REZONE YOUR PROPERTY FROM AG TO AG RESIDENTIAL. AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT I HAVE NOT SAT ON THIS BOARD FOR FIVE YEARS AND APPROVED ANY NEW DEVELOPMENT IN THIS AREA AT ALL. WE DIDN'T APPROVE MAGNOLIA WEST, AND I'M NOW ONE OF THE MORE SENIOR MEMBERS ON THIS BOARD, AND WE DIDN'T APROVE ANYTHING.

IN FACT, I THINK WE EVEN -- THE CLOSEST WE CAME TO EVEN TALKING ABOUT ANYTHING NEAR THIS WAS ALL THE WAY DOWN AT FUZZY LANE AND WHATEVER THAT SUBDIVISION IS DOWN THERE.

AND THAT ONE, WE DIDN'T APPROVE. SO, AGAIN, THIS STATEMENT THAT WAS IN TWO DIFFERENT PEOPLE'S THINGS AND WHY I THINK SOMEBODY ELSE WROTE IT, "TRANSPARENT LAND USE DECISION DEPENDS ONON COMMUNICATION, ESPECIALLY WHEN PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS AND LONG-TERM FINANCIAL IMPACTS ARE INVOLVED. " I'M SORRY. LONG-TERM FINANCIAL IMPACTS? IT IS NOT THE BCC'S RESPONSIBILITY, OBLIGATION, NOR SHOULD IT EVEN BE CONSIDERED FOR ANYONE'S LONG-TERM FINANCIAL IMPACTS.

THERE ARE ALWAYS PEOPLE ON FACEBOOK SAYING THINGS LIKE, THE DEVELOPERS ARE IN THE COMMISSIONERS' POCKETS, AND IF YOU READ THOSE AND CATCH ME LATE AT NIGHT WHEN I CAN'T SLEEP AND I HAVE HAD A LITTLE BIT TOO MUCH STRESS IN MY LIFE, I SOMETIMES GET INTO DISCUSSIONS WITH THEM. AND I SAY, TELL ME WHOSE DEVELOPERS ARE IN MY POCKET.

AND TELL ME WHICH DEVELOPMENTS I'VE VOTED FOR.

AND I'VE VOTED FOR SOME THAT MAKE SENSE. I DON'T THINK I VOTED FOR ANY IN DISTRICT 5, BUT I HAVE. I VOTE FOR COMMERCIAL REZONING WHEN IT MAKES SENSE.

BUT TO SAY THAT WE HAVE AN OBLIGATION FOR LONG-TERM FINANCIAL IMPACTS? THAT MAKES IT SOUND LIKE -- KIND OF LIKE A QUID PRO QUO OR SOMETHING, AND I'M NOT RESPECT THE ONES WHO ARE.

I JUST AM APPALLED AT THAT STATEMENT, LIKE THAT WE WOULD HAVE THAT.

THEN THERE'S FOUR PROPERTY OWNERS THAT SAY THEY NEED TO SATISFY THEIR MOTHER'S WILL.

YOU CAN. YOU CAN SELL YOUR PROPERTY TODAY. WE ARE NOT STANDING IN THE WAY OF THAT. IN FACT, EARLIER TONIGHT, THIS GENTLEMAN TRIED TO BUY YOUR PROPERTY, AND I CAN'T FIGURE OUT WHO OWNS THIS AND SO THEN I GO TO THE TAX COLLECTORS AND THE PROPERTY APPRAISERS' WEBSITE AND THESE ARE ALL THESE DIFFERENT LANDOWNERS. SO, Y'ALL ARE COMING TO US AND TELLING US THAT YOU HAVE A CONTRACT FOR 2. 5 YEARS TO SELL YOUR PROPERTY AND WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE TO ME IS PULTE CAME AND MADE A CONTRACT TO BUY PROPERTY FROM ALL OF YOU THAT WAS CONTINGENT ON A REZONING.

THAT IS NOT THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE BCC.

WE ARE NOT A PARTY TO THOSE CONTRACTS. AND I AM SO SORRY IF YOU FEEL LIKE YOU ARE NOT IN A POSITION TO PAY YOUR TAXES.

I LOOKED AT THE ONE WHO SAID THAT HER TAXES HAD GONE UP 1,500%. AND IT LOOKS TO ME LIKE THE

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BECAUSE I CAN'T FIGURE OUT ALL THE DIFFERENT THINGS.

SO, ALL I'M SAYING IS -- EXCUSE ME.

EXCUSE YOU. EXCUSE YOU.

YOU DON'T HAVE A RIGHT TO SPEAK RIGHT NOW. I'M SPEAKING.

I'M ELECTED TO SIT ON THIS BOARD AND BOARD MY OPINION AND MY VOTE. THE TAXED ON THE ONE PROPERTY WERE $84 AND THE NEXT YEAR WENT TO $2,000. AND FOR 17 ACRES, AN $84 PROPERTY TAX BILL IN 2020, AND THEN IT GOES TO THAT, THAT'S NOT JUST A CHANGE FROM AG TO AG RESIDENTIAL.

WHEN IT'S UNDEVELOPED PROPERTY. SO, THERE HAD TO HAVE BEEN SOMETHING THERE, AND I TRIED TO RESEARCH IT BUT I DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH TIME BECAUSE TONIGHT WAS THE FIRST TIME I HEARD THAT.

AND SO, HERE'S MY THING. SOMEONE ELSE SAID -- MY FINAL ONE, MADAM CHAIR. SORRY ABOUT THAT. I'M A LITTLE BIT EMOTIONAL, AND I APOLOGIZE. BUT SOMEONE SAID THEY HAD THE RIGHT TO REZONE THEIR LAND. NO, YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO ASK US THAT'S A FALLACY IN CLAYCLAY COUNTY.

NOW, HEY, I WILL TELL YOU, I RESPECT PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS. I HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF AGRICULTURAL PROPERTY AND AG RESIDENTIAL IN MY DISTRICT. AND IN FACT, THE PERSON WHO SAID YOU CAN'T PUT A $350,000 HOUSE ON FIVE ACRES OR A HOUSE ON FIVE ACRES AND BUY IT FOR $350,000, YEAH, YOU CAN.OR YEAH, YOU CAN. COME TO DISTRICT 4. IN FACT, YOU CAN DO IT IN DISTRICT 5. SO, MADAM CHAIR, I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF THIS AND I WOULD MOVE TO DENY IT. I'M OFFENDED AT THE -- KIND OF THE ACCUSATIONS THAT WE KIND OF ARE OBLIGATED TO DO THIS. BUT IF NO ONE WANTS TO SECOND YET FOR DISCUSSION, I'M FINE WITH THAT, AND AGAIN, I APOLOGIZE FOR MY EMOTION.

BUT IT JUST -- WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS FOR TWO AND A HALF HOURS NOW.

>> I'LL SECOND FOR DISCUSSION.

>> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND AND WE'LL HAVE DISCUSSION.

WHO WOULD LIKE TO GO NEXT? COMMISSIONER CONDON HIT A LOT OF THE POINTS I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT. THE BIGGEST THING IS THATTHAT LANDOWNER AT THIS POINT FULLY HAS THE RIGHT TO SELL THE PROPERTY, AND I GUESS MAYBE THE DEVELOPER --THE THAT IS A QUESTION I HAVE IS WHY IS THE PROPERTY NOT BEEN PUT UP FOR SALE YET? CAN I ASK THEM THAT?

>> SURE.

>> IS THAT OKAY? YEAH.

>> SO, I'LL KIND OF SPEAK ON BEHALF OF JUST A QUICK POINT OF CLARIFICATION.

I BELIEVE THERE ARE THREE PROPERTY OWNERS THAT PULTE IS UNDER CONTRACT WITH. THESE PEOPLE DO NOT HAVE AN EXPECTATION THAT JUST BECAUSE WE ARE UNDER CONTRACT WITH THEM, THEY ARE ABLE TO SELL THEIR LAND. I WANT TO MAKE THAT ABUNDANTLY CLEAR. THEY ARE FULLY AWARE THESE THINGS TAKE TIME AND YOU GUYS ARE NOT UP HERE PAID TO --

>> THESE THINGS. THAT'S THE PART I'M GETTING TO. WHY÷÷ -- I'VE HEARD MANY TIMES TONIGHT TO SETTLE THE WILL IS THE MISSION HERE.

YOU COULD DO THAT. YOU PUT THE PROPERTY UP FOR SALE AND THEY DIVIDE THE PROCEEDS AND

WE MOVE ON. >> SURE.

CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND THAT THAT IS AN OPTION, YES, SIR.

BUT AGAIN, AS I MENTIONED, JUST TO FILL YOU IN ON WHY WE'RE HERE, THESE FOLKS HAVE RECOGNIZED WHAT'S HAPPENED AROUND THEM, WHETHER IT'S, YOU KNOW, WHATPEOPLE LIKE OR DON'T LIKE, WHATEVER YOUR STANCE IS ON THE ISSUE, THEY HAVE RECOGNIZED THAT THERE IS, YOU KNOW, SIMILAR KIND OF DEVELOPMENT AROUND THEM. THEY'VE RECOGNIZED THAT THAT IS A POSSIBILITY ON THIS PROPERTY THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO SEEK APPROVAL FROM THIS BOARD. THEY WISHED TO DO THAT.

SO, THEY ENTERED INTO A CONTRACT WITH US TO DO THAT ON THEIR BEHALF.

>> OKAY, THAT'S OKAY. THANK YOU.

AND THEN, YOU KNOW, FOR ME, 75% OF THE SURROUNDING LAND OF THIS PARTICULAR PARCEL TO THE NORTH, TO THE EAST, AND TO THE SOUTH, IS RURAL RESIDENTIAL.

AND BECAUSE OF THAT, I'M GOING TO BE VOTING DOWN ON THIS TONIGHT. AND THE LAST THING I WANT TO DO IS DISCLOSE MY EX PARTE COMMUNICATION.

I HAD A MEETING WITH GARRETT AND MATT, I THINK, TWICE. ALSO NUMEROUS PHONE CALLS FROM CONSTITUENTS, ALONG WITH EMAILS. I TRIED TO REPLY TO ALL OF THOSE, SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR REACHING OUT. THAT'S ALL I HAVE, MADAM CHAIR.

>> THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER RENNINGER?

>> I'M JUST GOING TO SAY, I CLAIM EX PARTE COMMUNICATIONS WITH THE DEVELOPER, DEREK AND MARC, JUST FOR THE RECORD AND NUMEROUS EMAILS AND PHONE CALLS AS WELL, LIKE COMMISSIONER CONDON SAID, TOO

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I THINK -- AND I WANT TO ALSO ACKNOWLEDGE COMMISSIONER CONDON'S COMMENT ABOUT PROPERTY OWNER RIGHTS.

YOU DO HAVE PROPERTY OWNER RIGHTS.

BUT YOU DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT TO CHANGE THE ZONING OR THE LAND USE.

AND AS SHE SAID, THAT'S A REQUEST TO THE COMMISSION. SO, TO CLAIM THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT HONORING YOUR PROPERTY OWNER RIGHTS, THAT'S CORRECT -- THAT IS NOT CORRECT, I'M SORRY. YOU HAVE PROPERTY OWNER RIGHTS, AS THEY'RE CURRENTLY DESIGNATED.

THE LAST THING I HAVE -- WELL, NOT THE LAST THING BUT ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS IS THE INFRASTRUCTURE IN THIS -- NEAR THIS PROPERTY, THE ROADS AND CATHEDRAL PARKWAY OUTER BELTWAY, WE DON'T KNOW YET, HONESTLY. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE EFFECT OF THOSE ROADS IS GOING TO BE. SO, YOU KNOW, TO SAY THAT THIS PROJECT WOULD NOT, YOU KNOW, WOULD BE WELCOMED WITH THE CURRENT TRAFFIC, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE CURRENT TRAFFIC IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE.

OR THE FUTURE TRAFFIC IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE. SO -- BUT ALSO, ACKNOWLEDGE THIS PROPERTY IS GOING TO BE DEVELOPED.

SOONER OR LATER, IT'S GOING TO BE DEVELOPED.

SO, I JUST DON'T THINK RIGHT NOW IS THE RIGHT TIME TO DO IT. SO, I'M -- I'M NOT -- WELL, I GUESS I'M SUPPORTING THE DENIAL.

>> >> SO I'M HEARING THE CONCERNS OF THE COMMUNITY . HERE IS WHERE IT GETS A LITTLE BIT CHALLENGING FOR ME BECAUSE WHAT WE ARE ASKED TO LOOK AT HERE IS TRANSMITTAL OF A COMP PLAN TO THE STATE TO GET STATE AND REGIONAL FEEDBACK OR GET FROM THE STATE THE IMPACTS THAT THIS DEVELOPMENT WOULD HAVE AT THE STATE LEVEL OR FROM THE STATE LEVEL FROM A REGIONAL PERSPECTIVE. SO FOR ME WHAT I GOT TONIGHT WAS THE MICRO VIEW. YOU ARE IN IT EVERY SINGLE DAY. YOU KNOW WHAT THE CHALLENGES ARE . YOU HAVE REAL LIFE EXPERIENCE OF YOUR CHALLENGES. THIS PROCESS IS CALLING FOR US TO GET A MACRO VIEW FROM THE STATE ON WHAT THIS IMPACT WOULD LOOK LIKE. THE PROBLEM THAT I HAVE IS THAT MOST OF THE COMMENTARY WE GOT TONIGHT WAS TO SAY NO TO THE PROJECT, NOT KNOW TO THE TRANSMITTAL. YOU SAID NO TO THE PROJECT, BUT WE ARE NOT QUITE THERE YET. WE HEARD FROM COUNTY STAFF THAT THAT CONVERSATION SHOULD TRANSMITTAL MOVE FORWARD WOULD BE HAPPENING IN FEBRUARY. A LOT OF WHAT WAS DISCUSSED TONIGHT SEEMS OUT OF SEQUENCE BECAUSE WHAT WE ARE LOOKING TO ACCOMPLISH TONIGHT IS THE TRANSMITTAL TO GET THE MACRO VIEW OF WHAT IS GOING ON. LET'S JUST SAY ONE PLUS ONE EQUALS TWO ANALYSIS . IT MAKES THIS A LITTLE BIT CHALLENGING BECAUSE TO VOTE FOR THE TRANSMITTAL IS NOT VOTING YES ON THE PROJECT . I AM GIVING YOU A VERY LINEAR EXPLANATION OF WHERE MY MIND IS AT BECAUSE FOR ME IT'S PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD. WHAT I AM ASKED TO LOOK AT TONIGHT, NOT WHAT I WOULD BE LOOKING AT IN FEBRUARY IS SHOULD I BE IN FAVOR OF THE STATE TAKING A LOOK AT THIS PROJECT BECAUSE IT HAS ALL OF THESE CRITERIA. 50 ACRES, THE PROJECT, THE SCOPE, THE ASKED TONIGHT DO I WANT THIS TO GO FORWARD TO THE STATE INCONSISTENT WITH VOTES I'VE CAST IN THE PAST ABOUT TRANSMITTAL TO THE STATE FOR THEIR FEEDBACK IT WOULD BE INCONSISTENT FOR ME TO SAY NO TONIGHT. THAT IS WHAT I WAS QUOTED MULTIPLE TIMES ABOUT YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR AND I BELIEVE THAT. I BELIEVE THAT TO MY CORE BUT THAT'S NOT THE QUESTION I'M BEING ASKED TONIGHT. IT IS CHALLENGING FOR ME BECAUSE I KNOW WHAT IS ON THE AGENDA. I KNOW I'M BEING ASKED BY A TEAM TO CONSIDER BOTH WHAT YOU HAVE SAID. FOR ME AN INDEPENDENT THIRD-PARTY EITHER CONFIRMING WHAT YOU ARE SAYING OR GIVING A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE IS NOT A HARMFUL

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THE FLOOR. >> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER COMPERE. MY TURN. I HAVE QUITE A BIT TO SAY. DO YOU HAVE ANY

DISCLOSURES? >> I GOT ALL THE SAME EMAILS AND DID HAVE MEETINGS WITH THE TEAM. I DID NOT HAVE A CONVERSATION

WITH THE ENGINEER. >> MY EX PARTAKES -- EXPERTS A DISCLOSURES ARE INTERESTING. I RECEIVED A CALL FROM A FORMER CONGRESSMAN LETTING ME KNOW HE WAS CALLED BY THE DEVELOPER ASKING FOR SUPPORT. AS I SAID TO HIM I DO NOT HAVE SUPPORT FOR THIS. MY VOTE HAS NOT CHANGED. HE SAID HE LET THEM KNOW THAT THEY SHOULD MOVE ON. THAT WAS MY NUMBER ONE X PARTAKE DISCLOSURE.

MY OTHER ONES ARE MANY FAMILY MEMBERS. I HAVE HEARD MULTIPLE TIMES IN EMAILS AS WELL AS TODAY THAT FAMILY, POLITICS AND GOVERNMENT SHOULD NOT COME TOGETHER AND I TOTALLY AGREE. I LEARNED MORE ABOUT THIS FAMILY THAN I EVER WANTED TO KNOW. I AM REALLY SAD FOR YOUR FAMILY. ALL FAMILIES HAVE ISSUES, DEFINITELY. I JUST HAVE TO SAY THAT IT IS JUST SAD TO ME. I'M GOING TO ADDRESS BECAUSE I TAKE MY JOB VERY SERIOUSLY I DON'T IGNORE THINGS. I DEFINITELY ANSWER EMAILS SO I WILL GO ONE BY ONE ON THE EMAILS THAT I RECEIVED FROM CARRIE DUGAN.

AUGUST 23 OF LAST YEAR I RECEIVED AN EMAIL ASKING ME TO CALL HER OR TO VOTE YES. THAT WAS ABOUT 3:00 IN THE AFTERNOON.

THE MEETING STARTED AT 4:00 P.M. AND WE DENIED IT. I ANSWERED HER LETTER LETTING HER KNOW IT WAS TOO CLOSE TO THE MEETING AND I HAD NOT SEEN HER EMAIL . I ANSWERED HER THE NEXT DAY. I LET HER KNOW I DID RECEIVE IT. HER RESPONSE SAID THANK YOU FOR YOUR RESPONSE. I UNDERSTAND IT WAS LATE NOTICE AND SHE WENT ON TO ASK FOR ME TO SUPPORT IT IF IT EVER CAME BACK. THAT WAS ANOTHER EMAIL A WEEK LATER BUT WE HAD ALREADY DENIED IT. MS. COPELAND CALLED OUR SECRETARY AND ASKED FOR ME TO MEET WITH THE FAMILY AND I LET HER KNOW LIKE IN MY VOTE WAS STILL NO THERE WAS NO WAY TO HAVE A MEETING. MULTIPLE EMAILS, MULTIPLE CALLS DID NOT HAPPEN. THAT WAS NOT TRUE AND I WILL NOT BE LED TO SHOW EVERYONE THAT I DID NOT DO MY JOB. I TAKE IT VERY SERIOUSLY. THAT IS VERY DISAPPOINTING. FURTHER, TO TALK ABOUT OUR INFRASTRUCTURE THE INFRASTRUCTURE CHANGED BECAUSE WE DID NOT HAVE ROADS FOR THE DEVELOPMENT WE HAD HERE ALREADY. WE HAVE NOT HAD ROADS BUILT IN MY DISTRICT FOR DECADES. THAT IS WHY WE APPROVED THE BOND FOR MULTIPLE ROADS TO BE BUILT AND THANK THE LORD THEY ARE BEING BUILT AND ALMOST DONE . IT IS A GODSEND. I KNOW ANY OF YOU THAT ACTUALLY LIVE HERE KNOW THAT IT IS A WONDERFUL ROAD AND WILL SERVE US FOR YEARS TO COME, US AND THE PEOPLE THAT ARE COMING HERE. BILL AND MARK, WHERE DO YOU LIVE? YOU LIVE IN JACKSONVILLE? SO WHENEVER YOU KEPT ON SAYING WE THAT LIVE HERE, WE THAT ARE BENEFITING FROM THIS ROAD, THAT IS NOT YOU.

YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT IT'S LIKE TO LIVE HERE. IT'S NOT FUN ALL THE TIME. THIS ROAD 315 AND 209 ARE STILL BOTH TWO LANE

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THE TURN LANE WAS A VERY GOOD THOUGHT AND I APPRECIATE THAT, BUT IT'S JUST NOT GOING TO DO THE TRICK FOR ME. I WILL GO ON TO SAY WHY. I HEARD THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING AND ONE OF THE PLANNING COMMISSIONERS , THEY DON'T GET PAID FOR THEIR JOB AND I LOVE THEM. THEY DO A WONDERFUL JOB. MANY OF THEM HAVE BEEN ON THAT BOARD FOR MANY YEARS BUT ONE OF THEM SAID WHAT'S 160 MORE HOMES. I'M SORRY . I HAVE NOT APPROVED ANY DEVELOPMENT IN MY DISTRICT, ANY. IN A MINUTE I WILL SHOW YOU THE DEVELOPMENT HERE THAT IS ALREADY COMING BECAUSE THE STAFF DID A WONDERFUL MAP FOR ME . I DID NOT APPROVE IT. TO SAY THAT I AM GOING TO REZONE SOMEBODY'S PROPERTY SO THEY CAN SELL IT TO A DEVELOPER TO BUILD 160 HOMES, WHY? WHY WOULD WE WANT TO DO THAT. THESE POOR PEOPLE. ALL OF YOU, THERE'S ALABAMA, ORLANDO, YOU DON'T LIVE HERE ANYMORE. THESE PEOPLE DO. THEY WANT TO STILL ENJOY THEIR PROPERTY. YOU CAN SELL IT . IT'S ACTUALLY NOT ONE HOME PER FIVE ACRES. IT IS ONE HOME PER ACRE. THERE'S A DEVELOPMENT MAYBE YOU KNOW ABOUT IT THAT IS 1 1/4 ACRES PER HOME AND THEY ARE SELLING LIKE HOT CAKES. I'VE ASKED DEVELOPERS OVER AND OVER WHY CAN'T WE DO THAT HERE. YOU CAN STILL SELL YOUR PROPERTY. YOU WOULD MAKE A GOOD AMOUNT OF MONEY. YOU MIGHT HAVE TO LOWER THE PRICE A LITTLE BIT THAT YOU CAN MAKE SOME MONEY. I MET WITH THE PRESIDENT FACE-TO-FACE IN A MEETING. HE TOLD ME THE RECESSION IS COMING. WILL HOME STILL BE SITTING HERE WHEN THAT HAPPENS. IT IS COMING. WE WENT TO TALLAHASSEE AND THEY TOLD US AGAIN. HOW MANY HOMES WILL BE BUILT THAT WILL BE SOLD AND THEY WILL JUST BE SITTING THERE OR INVESTORS WILL COME ALONG AND SWIPE THEM. I'M VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT THIS. I KNOW EVERYBODY HERE HAS TO DEAL WITH COMMENTS, BUT OUR DISTRICT HAS LIVED THROUGH A WHOLE BUNCH. ALL THE TREES COMING DOWN IN THE PAST FIVE YEARS, IT WASN'T LIKE THAT WHEN I BECAME A COMMISSIONER AND I HAD NO IDEA . IT IS MY RIGHT TO BE ABLE TO SAY WHAT IS ON MY MIND. LET'S SEE. ONE IN SUPPORT WAS SELLING 12 TO 15 ACRES BUT LIVING ON SEVEN. I CAN SEE WHY HE WOULD WANT THAT .

ONE OF THE LADIES THAT SAYS SHE LIVES IN ALABAMA, THE ONE IN ORLANDO SAID GROWTH IS NOT COMFORTABLE AND SHE LIVES IN ORLANDO. IT'S NOT GOING TO BE WHAT THE ENTRIES FOREVER. THAT IS NOT VERY EMPATHETIC. SCHOOL CONCURRENCY. THAT IS THE MOST CRAZY THING TO ME THAT YOU CAN LIVE LESS THAN A MILE FROM CLAY HIGH AND THESE KIDS WILL HAVE TO GO TO FLEMING . MAYBE THOSE KIDS CAN DRIVE, THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL KIDS. DDC BROTHERS IS? PATTERSON. THEY WOULD HAVE TO DRIVE ALL THE WAY TO PATTERSON.

COME ON. ALL RIGHT. NOW I GET TO SHOW MY PRETTY MAP. HOPEFULLY EVERYBODY CAN SEE THIS. THESE ARE DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE ALREADY THERE. WE HAVE, THIS IS ALL LAKE ASBURY. 175 PHONES, 525 HOMES. 192, 771, 1320, 130, 917. THIS IS THE BIG QUESTION WHERE YOU WANT TO PUT THIS. 247, 39. THESE ARE ALREADY THERE. THERE IS A LOT. GET READY . THESE ARE APPROVED AND STILL COMING.

EVERYBODY SEE IT? 2396. 264, 243. 65, 245, 1168. YOU ALL ARE

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>> MADAM CHAIR, THERE WERE A COUPLE OF X PARTAKE COMMUNICATIONS. I GOT A LITTLE EXCITED AND DID NOT DISCLOSE. I DID ALSO HAVE A PHONE MEETING WITH A REPRESENTATIVE AND MARK SHELTON. I WANT TO SAY MARK SHELTON MCKINLEY HORN, FOR THE PUBLIC WHO IS PAYING ATTENTION THEY ARE NOT THE ENEMY. MARK IS ONE OF THE MOST PROFESSIONAL, WE DEAL WITH A LOT OF PEOPLE IN YOUR PROFESSION AND YOU ARE THE CONSUMMATE PROFESSIONAL. YOU LISTEN AND YOU ARE THOUGHTFUL. I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU AND I DON'T WANT YOU PAINTED IN A LIGHT. YOU HAVE TO EARN A LIVING AND YOU HAVE A RIGHT TO EARN A LIVING AND WE APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT YOU DO AND IT'S PART OF THE PROCESS. I FULLY RESPECT THEM FOR HIRING YOU. THEY HIRED ONE OF THE BEST. YOU AND I HAVE HAD THAT CONVERSATION PRIVATELY BUT I WANTED TO SAY THAT PUBLICLY. THE OTHER X PARTAKE COMMUNICATION I HAD WAS LIAM RILEY WITH THE REINHOLD GRANTEE -- CORPORATION. ONE OF THE ARGUMENTS IS A 200 HOME ENTITLEMENT THAT IS PART OF THE PETERS CREEK INDUSTRIAL PARK. I ASKED IF THEY HAD INTENTIONS TO EXERCISE THAT NOW BECAUSE THAT ENTITLEMENT OCCURRED BACK IN THE EARLY 2000'S. HE SAID AT THIS POINT THEY HAVE NO PLANS TO DEVELOP IT I THINK THAT SPEAKS TO WHAT YOU WERE SAYING , COMMISSIONER BURKE, ABOUT COMPATIBILITY. AT SOME POINT IT MAY BE COMPATIBLE BUT RIGHT NOW IT'S NOT . I JUST WANTED TO ADD THAT. I ALSO MISSPOKE ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD DOWN BY FUZZY LANE THAT I CANNOT REMEMBER THE NAME OF. THAT WAS NOT THE CLOSEST WE DISCUSSED. WE DISCUSSED THE GUST OF SIN PROPERTY AT THE CORNER OF'S RING BANK AND IT WAS ACTUALLY FOR A TRANSMITTAL. WHEN THE PARK GROUP STILL ON GOVERNORS PARK THEY RETAINED FIRST RIGHT TO THAT BIG PARCEL OWNED BY MULTI MEMBERS OF THE FAMILY . THE FAMILY HAD PUT IT UNDER CONTRACT WITH SOMEBODY ELSE. PARK GROUP SAID WE HAVE FIRST RIGHT. IT CAME TO US FOR A DEVELOPMENT AND WE SAID THE SAME THING AT THAT TIME. WE DID NOT TRANSMIT FOR DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE CAPACITY, DO WE NEED THAT MANY MORE HOMES . AT THE TIME THE COMMISSION, I DON'T REMEMBER WHO WAS ON THE COMMISSION AT THE TIME SO I'M NOT TRYING TO ARGUE, COMMISSIONER COMPERE, THAT YOU VOTED FOR.

>> I VOTED FOR THE TRANSMITTAL ALSO.

>> I COULD NOT REMEMBER, BUT I MISSPOKE ON WHAT WAS THE CLOSEST AND WHAT WAS THE CIRCUMSTANCES. I REMEMBER ALSO AT THE TIME THINKING THEY COULD END UP WITH A HODGEPODGE IN THAT AREA OF DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE EACH INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY OWNER COULD SELL IT OFF FOR WHAT COULD BE PUT ON IT. THAT WAS THE RIGHT THING TO DO AND I THINK IT DID NOT GET VOTED BECAUSE PARK GROUP WITHDREW BUT THAT WAS THERE RIGHT.

>> THERE WAS A PROJECT THAT CAME IN FROM DISTRICT 5 RECENTLY. IF IT WASN'T THAT ONE, YOU MAY OR MAY NOT REMEMBER AS FAR AS THE TRANSMITTAL PROCESS . IT WAS A YOUNG WOMAN IN HER EARLY 30S, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT JOGS ANY MEMORIES FOR YOU. IT WAS THE SAME CONCEPT. I SAID THE SAME THING THEN. IT IS AT THE END OF

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>> I HAVE JUST ONE THING TO ADD. I WANT TO COMMEND EVERYBODY FOR COMING OUT TONIGHT. WE HAD REPRESENTATIVES FROM 315, KNOWLES ROAD, REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE FAMILY AND SUCH AND KIMBERLY HORN, FIRST-CLASS . WHETHER YOU KNOW IT OR NOT THEY HAVE A FOUNDATION WHICH SUPPORTS AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES . I THINK IT IS JUST NOT THE RIGHT TIME RIGHT NOW WITH THE NUMBER OF SITES ALREADY APPROVED, THE NEEDS VERSUS WANTS ARGUMENT REALLY PLAYS OUT HERE. I WANT TO COMMEND EVERYBODY . I THINK LAST MEETING WE HAD A DECISION THAT WAS SIMILAR, I FORGET WHAT IT WAS ABOUT BUT IT WAS AN EASY DECISION TO MAKE.

TONIGHT WAS NOT SO EASY. YOU MADE IT ALL VERY DIFFICULT BUT THAT'S WHAT WE GET PAID THE BIG BUCKS FOR IS TO MAKE THOSE HARD

DECISIONS. >> TAKE THAT BACK PLEASE. WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

>> AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED. >> AYE. MOTION CARRIES TO DENY 4-1. [APPLAUSE] PLEASE LEAVE QUIETLY. WE HAVE MORE MEETING TO GO. I WILL SEE YOU LATER . MOVING ON

>> WHAT DO YOU WANT TO DO ABOUT 22 ?

>> BECAUSE HE RECOMMENDED DENIAL DO NOT TRANSMIT ITEM 22 WHICH IS THE CONTINUATION -- ITEM 22 BE IN THE CONTINUATION OF THE PUD TO A LATER HEARING DATE ON THE ASSUMPTION THAT THIS WOULD BE TRANSMITTED WE DON'T NEED TO DEAL. THERE REALLY , WE WOULD NOT EVEN NEED THE PUBLIC HEARING.

>> DO YOU WANT A MOTION TO CONTINUE . WE WOULD JUST RE-ADVERTISE IF IT EVER CAME BACK.

>> SO FOR CLARITY IT WAS DENIED SO THERE IS NOTHING FURTHER TO BE DISCUSSED ON THIS PROJECT. I DON'T KNOW ADMINISTRATIVELY HOW THAT HAPPENS BUT WE CAN CONFIRM WITH WHATEVER EMAIL OR WHAT WE NEED TO DO BUT I DON'T THINK THE PUD WOULD NEED TO BE RE-ADVERTISED OR HEARD IN FEBRUARY.

>> ARE YOU WITHDRAWING? >> WE WOULD NOT WITHDRAW. I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT HAPPENS ADMINISTRATIVELY.

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>> I THINK YOU SHOULD WITHDRAW INSTEAD OF IT BECOMING A DENIAL

. >> AT THIS POINT WHAT WE WOULD DO IS ASK FOR IT TO BE CONTINUED AND THEN WORK WITH STAFF TO FIGURE OUT THE BEST WAY TO FORMALIZE HOW THE APPLICATION GOES FORWARD. AT THIS POINT WE WOULD REQUEST TO CONTINUE WITH

ADVERTISING. >> I WILL MOVE THAT WE CONTINUE TO A DATE THAT WOULD BE RE-ADVERTISED.

>> MOTION AND SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

>> AYE. >> ALL THOSE OPPOSED.

>> AYE. >> THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. HAVE A GOOD NIGHT.

>> I THINK SOMEBODY WANTED TO SPEAK ON ITEM 22.

[23.  Public Hearing on Resolution of Intent regarding Clay County Stormwater Maintenance Municipal Service Benefit Unit (C. Grimm)]

>> IT WAS 23. I LOST TRACK. >> MOVING ON TO PUBLIC HEARING ON RESOLUTION OF INTENT REGARDING LATE COUNTY STORMWATER

. COURTNEY. >> THIS IS THE ITEM THAT IS BEING BROUGHT FORWARD AS A FOLLOW-UP TO YOUR LAST MEETING WHERE YOU DISCUSSED THE STORM WATER FEE STUDY . AS YOU RECALL THE STUDY WILL COME BACK TO YOU AT SOME POINT IN THE SPRING AS FAR AS AN ANALYSIS ON SETTING A FEE. THE PURPOSE OF THIS RESOLUTION IS NOTICE OF INTENT TO SET UP THE PROCESS . IF THE BOARD SHOULD DETERMINE IN THE SPRING TO ACTUALLY SET A FEE AND MOVE FORWARD FOR THE 2026 TAX BILL. IT IS NOT SETTING ANY FEES. IT IS JUST AN INTENT TO SET UP THE BOUNDARIES FOR THE

COUNTY. >> ALL RIGHT. NOW THE PUBLIC HEARING. I WILL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING. ANYONE? HOLD ON A SECOND. YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND COME ON UP. IT HAS TO BE QUICK

THOUGH. >> IT ALSO HAS TO DO WITH THE

DRAINAGE. >> THAT IS ANOTHER PUBLIC

COMMENT. >> IT JUST KIND OF SNUCK UP ON ME BECAUSE I WAS REALLY PRIMARILY HERE FOR THE PRECEDING

THING. >> THEY CANNOT HEAR YOU.

>> IS THIS REALLY A PROPOSAL FOR INTENT REGARDING STORMWATER MAINTENANCE? THAT WOULD BE IN ADDITION TO THE TAXES. IS THIS KIND OF AWAY TO SATISFY THE NEED THAT WAS SET OUT A COUPLE YEARS AGO BY MAIL TO FIX ALL THE DRAINAGE PROBLEMS IN THE NORTH

PART OF THE COUNTY. >> WE HAD A STUDY DONE AND WE ARE $30 MILLION BEHIND IN STORMWATER MAINTENANCE AND WE HAVE NO WAY TO CATCH UP WITH THAT. WE DID A STUDY TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WOULD BE NECESSARY TO PAY THAT. IT'S NO VOTE TO DO ANYTHING LIKE THAT BUT TO COME BACK TO US AT A LATER DATE.

>> SO THIS WILL BE CONTINUED? >> PRETTY MUCH.

>> GO AHEAD. DO YOU WANT TO SPEAK ON THIS?

>> I AM AT 1634 EAGLE NEST LANE. I THOUGHT THAT WE GOT LIKE $18 MILLION IN STORMWATER AND THAT THIS PAST YEAR. DID WE NOT? THAT WAS IN THE SURVEY THAT YOU HAD ON THE COUNTY LINE .

>> ANYBODY WANT TO SPEAK TO THAT?

>> I PULLED THAT TODAY BEFORE I GOT HERE . IT WAS ON YOUR FISCAL

REPORT IT SAYS 18. >> I'M SORRY. I COULD BE

MISTAKEN. >> WITHOUT SAYING EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO THE ONLY THING THAT WOULD BE $18 MILLION WITH THE STORM WATER WAS $18 MILLION WHICH WOULD BE IN THE FINANCIAL REPORTS AND FINANCIAL STATEMENTS OF WHAT WE SUBMITTED ON. THAT'S ABOUT WHAT WE SPENT THE LAST FOUR YEARS IN EXISTING

FUNDS WE HAVE SPENT IN THE PAST. >> I SEE. I JUST MISUNDERSTOOD.

>> THIS WAS ADDITIONAL NEED THAT WAS DISCOVERED THAT WAS

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COMPLETED BY THE COUNTY. >> ANYBODY ELSE? PUBLIC HEARING? I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE US TO DO ON

THIS? >> IF YOU WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE NOTICE OF INTENT TO SET IT UP SO IF YOU APPROVE A FEE IN THE SPRING THAT YOU CAN HAVE IT ON THE 2026 TAX BILL THEN THIS RESOLUTION NEEDS TO BE APPROVED BECAUSE WE HAVE TO SEND IT TO

THE STATE. >> IF WE DON'T DO IT IT WOULD NOT GO IN THE NEXT YEAR. THIS IS NOT A DECISION ON OUR PART JUST IN CASE LATER ON THERE'S A DECISION. IF YOU MAKE THE DECISION THERE WILL BE ACTUAL DOCUMENTS. YOU WILL HAVE INITIAL RESOLUTION THEN A NOTICE WILL GO OUT TO THE PROPERTY OWNERS THEN

YOU HAVE THE FINAL RESOLUTION. >> I WILL TAKE THE MOTION UNLESS

THERE IS DISCUSSION? >> I WILL MOVE APPROVAL.

>> I WILL SECOND. >> ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

>> ALL THOSE OPPOSED. >> AYE.

>> PASSES 4-1. DID WE GET TO EVERYTHING? WE WILL GO BACK TO

[18.  2026 Board of County Commissioners Meeting Dates]

EVERYTHING STAYS THE SAME. NO DECEMBER MEETING AND TEST THE DISCUSSION OF ELIMINATION OF A MEETING IN JULY. THAT WAS REGARDING OTHER COUNTIES THAT HAVE DONE THAT TO ALLOW STAFF AND COMMISSIONERS TO HAVE THEIR VACATION WITH FAMILIES OR TIME

OFF. ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT? >> MOVE APPROVAL

>> OF WHAT ? >> THE SCHEDULE.

>> OKAY SO WE ARE NOT DISCUSSING? THERE IS A DISCUSSION ABOUT ELIMINATION OF THE FIRST MEETING OF JULY.

ANYBODY? DISCUSSION ON THAT ? THOUGHTS?

>> I'M NOT TOTALLY EXCITED ABOUT IT. I THINK THERE'S KIND OF A PUBLIC CADENCE TO THE MEETING DATES . I HAVE A HARD TIME JUST ELIMINATING IT . IN MY BRIEF I KIND OF ASKED ABOUT, IS THIS A HISTORICAL DATE THAT THE MEETING TOOK 22 MINUTES OR 15 MINUTES . I DID NOT GET THE VIBE THAT THAT WAS THE CASE. I'M NOT REALLY IN FAVOR OF ELIMINATING A MEETING IN MY OPINION.

>> ANYBODY ELSE? >> I CAN GO EITHER WAY BUT I TEND TO LEAN TOWARD COMMISSIONER RENNINGER. WHEN I THINK ABOUT THE LAST MEETING IN JUNE IS ALWAYS VERY DIFFICULT BECAUSE WE ARE TRYING TO GET DOWN TO THE FLORIDA ASSOCIATION OF COUNTIES ANNUAL MEETING. I THINK ABOUT THE LAST MEETING IN MAY IS THE TUESDAY AFTER MEMORIAL DAY SO A LOT OF PEOPLE WILL TAKE OFF THAT WHOLE WEEK , FOUR DAYS OFF OF WORK FOR PTO BUT TO HAVE EIGHT DAYS OFF OR WHATEVER. I ASKED IN MY BRIEF ALSO WHERE DID THIS DATE COME FROM? WHAT WAS THE IMPETUS, ALTHOUGH I WILL SAY I KNOW WITH TPO I THINK WE DON'T HAVE A JULY MEETING BECAUSE IT TENDS TO BE LESS ATTENDED. I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY OF THE STAFF, IS IT AN EFFORT TO TRY TO PUSH STAFF TO ALL GO ON VACATION AT THAT SAME TIME OR ALL TAKE PTO AT THAT TIME .

>> I THINK IT'S JUST THE CASE THAT OTHER COUNTIES DO IT SO I

WAS JUST LOOKING AT IT. >> IT'S THE FIRST I HAD HEARD

OF IT. I DON'T KNOW. >> ALL RIGHT. YOU WANT TO KEEP THE ORIGINAL MOTION THE WAY IT IS?

>> AS PUBLSHED. >> I WILL TAKE A MOTION . DO I

HAVE A SECOND? AS PUBLISHED? >> I WAS JUST LIKE I COULD GO

EITHER WAY. >> IT WAS JUST A DISCUSSION. HE WAS TALKING ABOUT IT IS PUBLISHED ALREADY WHAT WE ALREADY DO NOT ELIMINATING JULY .

>> MEANING IT WOULD BE THE EXACT SCHEDULE YOU CURRENTLY HAVE WITH ONLY ONE MEETING IN DECEMBER THE SAME THING WE ALREADY DO .

>> I WILL SECOND THAT MOTION. >> IT SAYS AS WRITTEN

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>> THAT WAS JUST DISCUSSION >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE . >> AYE.

[24.  Discussion of Appointments to the Planning Commission]

>> ALL THOSE OPPOSED. >> I APOLOGIZE.

>> NOW WE HAVE LETTERS FOR ACTION . DISCUSSION OF APPOINTMENTS TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, APPLICATIONS FOR REAPPOINTMENT . WE HAVE ADDITIONAL APPLICATIONS .

>> IF I CAN, COUNTY ATTORNEY FOR CLARIFICATION THERE'S ONLY FOUR

POSITIONS OPEN, CORRECT? >> CORRECT.

>> ONE THING I WANT TO SAY BEFORE WE TALK ABOUT THESE APPLICANTS IS I WANT TO DEFEND THE PLANNING COMMISSION. OF ANY COMMITTEE THAT THE COUNTY HAS BY FAR THIS GROUP OF INDIVIDUALS DOES THE MOST AMOUNT OF WORK . SHY OF WHAT WE DO AS COMMISSIONERS IT IS A TON OF WORK TO BE ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION. IT'S A TON OF RESEARCH. CONTRARY TO WHAT SOME PEOPLE SAID TONIGHT AT THE PODIUM, NOT EVERY MEMBER ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS A DEVELOPER. ONE IS A VARSITY SOFTBALL COACH AND TAKES HEADSHOT PHOTOS FOR HIS BUSINESS. I'M JUST VERY APPRECIATIVE OF THE HARD WORK THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSIONERS PUT IN. ALSO SOME OF THEM THAT HAVE AND ON THERE FOR A LONG TIME IN MY OPINION IS A HUGE BENEFIT. I'M AN ADVOCATE OF PETE DAVIS. HE ESSENTIALLY WAS ONE OF THE ARCHITECTS OF FLEMING ISLAND. I HAD A MEETING WITH HIM A COUPLE MONTHS AGO. GETTING TO HEAR THE HISTORICAL KNOWLEDGE AND PASSION HE HAS FOR THE COMMUNITY IS WHAT WE NEED. HE REALLY KNOWS THE PLANNING AND ZONING OF MY DISTRICT DOWN TO A T AND WHAT THE PEOPLE OF FLEMING ISLAND SET OUT TO DO WHEN THEY CREATED IT . I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT.

>> THANK YOU. >> ANYBODY ELSE?

>> I WANT TO ECHO THOSE SENTIMENTS. THEY TAKE THE HIT LIKE WE DO. IT'S NOT EVEN FAIR TO THEM BECAUSE WE HAVE TO DECIDE. I ALSO WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO JOEY AND MICHAEL . THEY ARE DEAR FRIENDS OF MINE. ONE IS IN THE INDUSTRY AND ANOTHER COMPLETELY INDEPENDENT OF IT . FOR ME I'M SORRY THAT YOU GUYS GET HIT . THESE ARE PASSIONATE FOLKS ABOUT DEVELOPMENT IN THEIR COMMUNITIES AND WE GET THAT, BUT THEY DO TREMENDOUS WORK. I AM SO GLAD WE ARE GIVING YOU GUYS AND GAL A HAT TIP TONIGHT BECAUSE

YOU DEFINITELY DESERVE IT >> THERE ARE DEVELOPERS AND BUILDERS ON THE COMMITTEE, BUT WHAT I HAVE SEEN AS THEY ARE FAIRLY IMPARTIAL. THEY MAY LEAN A LITTLE BIT THAT WAY, BUT WE ALL LEAN A LITTLE BIT SOME WAY . I DO NOT HAVE ANY PROBLEM REAPPOINTING THE FOUR YOU REQUESTED TO BE REAPPOINTED TO

THE COMMISSION . >> I WILL SECOND THAT. IS THAT A

MOTION. >> YES.

>> I WILL SECOND IT. >> HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE ON THE

PLANNING COMMISSION? >> SEVEN.

>> TO MY KNOWLEDGE I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO THE PUBLIC TO KNOW THERE'S TWO OF THEM THAT ARE BUILDERS, NOT DEVELOPERS, BUILDERS. THEY BUILT CUSTOM HOMES . ONE OF THEM IS BILL GARRISON . HE IS FROM DISTRICT 4. WE ONLY HAVE ONE OTHER PERSON FROM DISTRICT 4 ON THEIR . I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT TO KEEP IT BALANCED . I DON'T KNOW WHERE EVERYBODY THAT IS ON THERE IS BUT I KNOW HE IS AND ONE OTHER. OBVIOUSLY, I DON'T REALLY KNOW PETE DAVIS BUT I KNOW MICHAEL. YOU WON'T FIND TWO MORE UPSTANDING MEN, VETERANS THAT SERVED THE COUNTRY. BO NORTON IS AN AMAZING MAN . THE ONLY QUESTION, I DID HAVE A QUESTION FOR COURTNEY THAT MICHAEL SITS ON THE CCU WAY BOARD. WE APPOINT THAT SO I WAS WONDERING IF IT WAS A CONFLICT.

>> I'M NOT 100% SURE. >> HE IS NOT ONE OF OURS?

>> SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE I WAS NOT AWARE OF IT.

>> WE DID THAT. THAT WAS HER QUESTION THEN. COMMISSIONER

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>> MY THOUGHT IS IF I LOOKED AT THE RESEARCH FOR THE DUAL COMMITTEE SHIP THAT IT WOULD BE OKAY BECAUSE THE PLANNING

COMMISSION IS ADVISORY TO YOU. >> I JUST WONDERED BECAUSE WHEN WE HAD FOR THE CRC WE DID NOT ALLOW PEOPLE WHO SERVE ON ANOTHER BOARD AND WE HAVE HAD SOME OTHER SITUATIONS. MICHAEL, IF YOU ARE WATCHING IT'S NOT AGAINST YOU. I JUST WANT TO BE SURE WE ARE DOING THE RIGHT THING.

>> I THINK THE REASON WE MADE THAT IS HE CAN'T SERVE ON BOTH BECAUSE ONE IS ADVISORY TO THE OTHER IT GOES UP THE CHAIN. THE SAME THING WE DID WITH THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD WE HAVE THEM CHOOSE BECAUSE THEY DIRECTLY REPORT TO YOU. IT IS YOUR DECISION IF YOU FEEL UNCOMFORTABLE WITH THE PERSON SERVING BUT IF I LOOKED AT THE LAW I WOULD SAY IT IS OKAY.

>> CONTINUITY IS VERY IMPORTANT . I THINK HE WAS ON THE ORIGINAL FLEMINGTON -- FLEMING ISLAND DEVELOPMENT BOARD .

>> HE HAS THE MAPS. >> THE ONLY COMMENT OR QUESTION IS WE HAVE BEEN CRITICIZED IN THE PAST FOR NOT MIXING IT UP MORE . ALSO WE HAVE HAD A PROBLEM WITH PEOPLE VOLUNTEERING TO BE ON DIFFERENT COMMITTEES. YET HERE WE HAVE MORE VOLUNTEERS THAN WE HAVE POSITIONS. I DO NOT WANT TO DISCOURAGE ANYBODY FROM

FILLING OUT A RECOMMENDATION. >> IF I MAY, MADAM CHAIR I THINK AT LEAST ONE OF THESE PEOPLE IS HERE TONIGHT. I DON'T KNOW IF WHAT THE OTHER ONE IS WE HAVE OPENINGS ON THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT , IF YOU DID NOT HEAR ME AT THE LAST MEETING WE HAD TWO OR THREE STORAGE UNITS THAT EVERYBODY HATES . WE HAD TWO OR THREE SLIP BY BECAUSE OF A LOOPHOLE . THEY USE THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT. WE FIGURED IT OUT . THAT POPS UP THE ONE THAT IS ACROSS FROM WHERE THE SONIC USED TO BE OR RIGHT THERE WHERE THE SONIC USED TO BE. HE WAS LIKE HOW DID THIS HAPPEN. THAT WAS HOW WE FOUND LOOPHOLE. BY THAT POINT THE ONE ON THE RACETRACK HAD SLIPPED THROUGH. LIKE WE HAVE A MOTION TO REAPPOINT THESE PEOPLE, BUT IF YOU ARE INTERESTED WE HAVE AN OPENING .

I DON'T KNOW WHY IT IS DIFFICULT TO GET PEOPLE TO SERVE

ON IT BUT IT IS JUST A THOUGHT. >> IS THERE STILL AGREEMENT ON THEIR . WASN'T THERE STILL ROOM ?

>> I THINK THERE WAS CONFUSION ALSO. GEORGE IS HERE. I APPRECIATE YOU GEORGE. I DON'T KNOW TRAVIS SIMPSON. I THOUGHT THERE WAS GOING TO BE AN AT-LARGE POSITION THAT WAS NOT THERE YET BUT THEY COULD APPLY. THAT MUST NOT HAVE BEEN ACCURATE. I THINK THAT IS WHY GEORGE APPLIED BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF WE CAN GET YOU ON ONE OF THE OTHER ONES FOR SURE. IT

WOULD BE A GREAT FIT FOR YOU. >> I THINK WHAT TERESA MIGHT HAVE BEEN REFERRING TO IS OUT OF THE SEVEN COMMISSIONERS FOR THIS GO AROUND I'M PRETTY SURE ONE OF THE OTHER THREE IS NOT

REAPPLYING FOR REAPPOINTMENT. >> SO DO WE KEEP THESE OR DO

THEY NEED TO APPLY AGAIN? >> GREAT. WE ARE SO APPRECIATIVE . THEY ARE VERY IMPORTANT OF COURSE. WE HAVE ACCEPTANCE OF THE RESIGNATION .'S THERE WAS A MOTION AND SECOND. ALL THOSE IN

FAVOR SAY AYE. >> AYE.

[25.  Acceptance of Resignation from the Juvenile Justice Circuit Advisory Board, 4th Judicial Circuit]

[04:10:01]

>> ANY OPPOSED? WE HAVE ACCEPTANCE OF THE RESIGNATION FROM THE JUVENILE JUSTICE CIRCUIT ADVISORY BOARD FOR JUDICIAL CIRCUIT . PAM SUBMITTED HER RESIGNATION SO WE WILL TAKE

THE MOTION. >> WE ACCEPT IT.

[27.  Bid Opening Tabulations (K Smith)]

>> ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED? WE HAVE LETTERS OF DOCUMENTATION, BID OPENING TABULATIONS FOR A MEGA

PARK CC . WHAT IS WRONG? >> WE HAVE TO FILL THAT

POSITION? >> I THINK YOU WILL BRING THAT UP IN THE COMMISSIONER COMMENTS.

>> A MEGA PARK CONNECTION AND CONSTRUCTION OF RADAR ROAD. THEN

[26.  Tourist Development Council Meeting Minutes September 3, 2025]

[PUBLIC COMMENTS]

>> HELLO. MY NAME IS RUBEN MOODY I LIVE IN GREEN COVE SPRINGS. I WANT TO TALK ABOUT A BRIDGE THAT HAS TWO PIPES THAT RUN UNDERNEATH IT. IT DOES NOT HOLD THE VOLUME OF WATER THAT COMES THROUGH. THE PROBLEM IS THE VELOCITY OF WATER COMING THROUGH AND RETURNED STOP UP THE CREEK AND THEN THE CREEK FILLS UP ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ROAD AND TAKES OVER THE ROAD. WHEN IT TAKES OVER THE ROAD IT TAKES UP THE 35% OF MY PROPERTY. THEY SENT THE VIDEO OF THE FLOOD. THE COMMISSIONER , YOU HAVE A DEVELOPMENT ACROSS THE STREET . THAT FILLED THE CREEK FULL AND TOOK ALL THE PLANTS IN MY YARD AND WASH THEM DOWN THE STREET.

IT GOES DOWN THE RIVER WHEN IT RAINS BECAUSE THE PROPERTY IS BUILT-UP NOW THEY HAVE THE ROAD COMING DOWN AND ANOTHER RUNOFF RIGHT HERE . WHAT WE NEED IS A BRIDGE. WE NEED THE PIPES TAKEN OUT ACROSS THE CREEK BECAUSE THE PIPES AND THE EMBANKMENT IN THE CREEK ITSELF STOPS IT UP. IF YOU HAD A BRIDGE THAT GOES ACROSS IT WHEN THE WATER COMES DWN THE STREAM IT WILL BUILD UP ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ROAD . THAT TAKES UP 85% OF MY PROPERTY. I CONTACTED PUBLIC WORKS AND THEY SAID THEY CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT BECAUSE IT'S PRIVATE PROPERTY. IT IS THERE NEGLIGENCE. THEY DID THE WORK AND DESTROYED THE PROPERTY. I BELIEVE IT SHOULD BE THEIR RESPONSIBILITY TO FIX THE ISSUE.

I HAVE A POLICE REPORT THAT SAID THEY COULD NOT GET THROUGH.

THERE'S ABOUT 50 RESIDENTS ONE WAY IN ONE WAY OUT. SO THE POLICE AND PARAMEDICS CANNOT GET IN THERE WHEN THE STORM WATER COMES THAT IS A SAFETY ISSUE. NOBODY IN AND NOBODY OUT. I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THE BRIDGE REPLACED, THE PIPES REPLACED. I DON'T CARE IF IT IS A WOODEN BRIDGE. SOMETHING WHERE WE CAN GET IN AND OUT OF THERE. I HAVE ABOUT 15 OTHER PEOPLE ALONG THE CREEK WITH PROPERTY FLOODS AS WELL . I HAD A LADY FROM PUBLIC WORKS COME OUT AND LOOK AT IT . THE NEXT RESPONSE WAS . THAT'S WHAT THEY WOULD TELL ME. THEY WANT YOU TO WALK AND LOOK AT THE

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MY PROPERTY. >> THANK YOU. LET ME ASK YOU A FEW THINGS. FIRST OFF, HALF OF YOUR PROPERTY ARE MORE OF IT IS ACTUALLY WHAT . I SEE IT ONLINE.

>> YOU NEED TO COME OUT AND LOOK AT IT. YOUR PROPERTY IS WET WITHOUT THE COUNTY DOING ANYTHING ABOUT IT. THEY COUNTY CAME OUT AND FIXED THE CULVERT. THE DEVELOPER DID . YOUR ON A PRESCRIPTIVE ROAD THAT IS NOT EVEN A PUBLIC ROAD. ALSO OLD PIPES WERE REPLACED WITH NEW PIPES. A LOT OF THINGS HAVE BEEN DONE . COUNTIES COME OUT THERE MULTIPLE TIMES. MAYBE IT PROBABLY DOES FLOOD WHEN YOU HAVE WATER BUT IF YOU LIVE IN AN AREA THAT IS WETLANDS THAT IS MOST LIKELY GOING TO HAPPEN.

>> IT NEVER HAPPENED UNTIL THE COUNTY BUT THE PIPES IN.

>> DID YOU ASK THEM TO REPLACE THE PIPES?

>> >> THEY PUT THE 48 INCH PIPE SING. THEY HAVE NOT DONE THAT. SEPTEMBER 9 OF THIS YEAR FROM THE WORKSITE WITH WHICH THEY STRIPPED WE DID NOT HAVE THIS.

NOW THEY CHANGED THE PIPES OUT, THE COUNTY BOUGHT THEM. THEY RAISED THE PIPES UP TO AND A HALF FEET . THAT IS RIGHT ACROSS

THE STREET FROM ME. >> -- 15 A IS JUST DESTROYED.

I'VE BEEN THERE 15 YEARS. >> I AGREE. THAT'S WHY WE WILL

HAVE TO GET DOWN THERE. >> WE HAVE NO BICYCLE LANES. YOU HAVE ALL THESE PEOPLE OUT THERE TO LIVE. HOW THESE PEOPLE WALK TO TOWN OR GET TO THE STORE. WE HAVE TO GO EIGHT MILES ONE WAY JUST TO GO TO THE GROCERY STORE. WHAT HAPPENED TO THE SOUTH END OF TOWN. YOU ARE DOING EVERYTHING ON THE NORTH END OF

TOWN. >> WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT

THAT. YOU CHOSE TO LIVE THERE. >> I WAS LIVING IN A TENT BEFORE I LIVED THERE. I DID COME UP A LITTLE BIT.

>> THE COUNTY HAS DONE WHAT THEY DID EVEN FAR AND BEYOND.

>> I'VE PAY TAXES FOR THE LAST 15 YEARS ON MY PLACE. I HAVE FOUR PLACES NOW. MEET -- ME PAYING TAXES YOU KNOW MY

TAXPAYERS PAY EURO SALARY. >> SOMEBODY SAID THAT TO YOU. I

DON'T BELIEVE THAT. >> YOU SPOKE YOUR PIECE. IRD LET YOU KNOW YOU LIVE ON A PRESCRIPTIVE ROAD. THE COUNTY HAS DONE THING THEY DID NOT HAVE TO DO. I'M SORRY THAT'S ALL WE

CAN DO. >> YOU ALL CALLS TO THE ISSUE.

>> WE DID NOT. THANK YOU . >> I WILL SAY ONE THING.

>> WE ARE IN A PUBLIC HEARING RIGHT NOW. KEEP IT AT THREE

MINUTES. >> ALL OF YOU GOT MY EMAIL .

>> NOBODY RESPONDED. THEY FLOODED HIS LAND. THEY FLOODED HIS LAND . THEY FLOODED HIS PROPERTY . THEY TORE HIS CREEK, STREAM, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL. NOW IT IS GOING FIVE DIFFERENT KIND OF WAYS. I TALKED TO ERIC POLK, THE DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS. HE SAYS IT'S A PUBLIC ROAD. YOU HAVE MAINTAINED

IT FOR OVER 20 YEARS. >> PRESCRIPTIVE ROAD.

>> YOU MAINTAINED IT FOR 20 YEARS. IF NOT WE HAVE BEEN PAYING TAXPAYER MONEY ON THIS ROAD THAT SHOULD BE MAINTAINED.

ALL THEY ARE ASKING FOR, HE'S GETTING FELL IN COURT TO COME IN AND DO THE THING TO MAKE IT RIGHT ON THE PROPERTY. FROM THAT DEVELOPER COMING TO HIS PROPERTY BECAUSE OF THE WAY THAT THE ROAD IS MAINTAINED AND THE DEVELOPER IS UP HERE ON HIS PROPERTY IS DOWN HERE ALL THEY NEED IS A LITTLE BRIDGE TO PUT IN THERE TO KEEP THE PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO PASS. WHEN IT DOES IT AGAIN THE

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PEOPLE OUT THERE. THANK YOU. >> ANYBODY ELSE?

>> WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT. COMMISSIONER AUDITOR DO YOU HAVE

[COUNTY ATTORNEY]

ANYTHING? >> JUST A COUPLE OF ITEMS. FIRST THE CHARTER REVIEW NEXT MEETING IS MONDAY DECEMBER 15 AT 5:00 P.M. WE WILL BE POSTING THE AGENDA BY THE END OF THE WEEK FOR THAT MATTER. NEXT YOU SHOULD HAVE RECEIVED AN UPDATE AS TO CASES THAT THE COUNTY, JUST NEW ONES SINCE THE LAST REPORT THAT HAVE INCLUDED THE COUNTY OR THE COUNTY AS A PARTICIPANT IN. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS JUST LET ME KNOW. HAPPY HOLIDAYS.

[COUNTY MANAGER]

>> YES MA'AM, IT IS GETTING LATE . REALLY QUICK THERE IS A LOT GOING ON. THERE ARE 22 EVENTS ON SATURDAY IN OUR COUNTY FOR CHRISTMAS. I JUST WANTED YOU TO KNOW THAT . THERE ARE FIVE OF THESE EVENTS THAT ARE PRETTY LARGE . THE EOC WILL BE OPEN WITH MEMBERS FROM CCSO, CCF ARE AND STAFF . ABOUT 1400 THAT DAY.

THESE FIVE EVENTS JOURNEY TO THE NATIVITY GOES FROM 1700 TO 2030.

THE OAK LEAF PARADE , THE BOAT PARADE, MIDDLEBROOK PARADE AND THE KEYSTONE PARADE. THOSE ARE THE TOP FIVE THAT ARE THERE. YOU CAN FIND INFORMATION ON THE FACEBOOK WEBSITE, ON OUR SOCIAL MEDIA ABOUT THE BIG ONES . I JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW PLEASE BE PATIENT AND PLEASE COUNT -- PLAN ACCORDINGLY. A LOT OF THE INFORMATION CAN BE FOUND ON FACEBOOK. I WANT TO WISH EVERYONE A MERRY CHRISTMAS AND HAPPY NEW YEAR.

>> I HAVE A QUESTION. >>

>> I WILL HAVE TO SAY 12 >> DIDN'T WE ALL HAVE TO DO

[COMMISSIONERS' COMMENTS]

THAT >> I JUST WANT TO FIRST OF ALL, WE ARE COMING UP ON THE HOLIDAY SEASON . DRIVING IS DANGEROUS.

WE JUST LOST A COMMISSIONER JIM BENNETT FROM BAKER COUNTY. HE WAS GOING TO WORK IN THE MORNING. WE ALL DO THAT.

REAR-ENDED BY A PICKUP TRUCK, A YOUNG 16-YEAR-OLD. IT ENDED HIS LIFE. THE COO OF THE PORT AUTHORITY. HE HAD A GREAT JOB, GREAT CAREER, GREAT FAMILY. YOU JUST NEVER KNOW. HE ALSO WAS MY RELIEF AT THE REGIONAL COUNCIL. HE JUST TOOK OVER AS PRESIDENT THREE OR FOUR WEEKS AGO. I WANT TO WISH EVERYBODY A MERRY CHRISTMAS, HAPPY NEW YEAR BUT STAY AWARE, KEEP OFF THE CELL PHONES WHEN YOU ARE DRIVING. THAT IS PROBABLY THE BIGGEST

HAZARD ON THE ROAD. >> FIRST AND FOREMOST, I JUST WANT TO TAKE A MOMENT TO SAY THANK YOU TO COUNTY STAFF AND THE COMMISSION FOR ANOTHER YEAR IN THE BOOKS . THIS IS THE LAST MEETING OF THE YEAR. IT HAS BEEN QUITE THE RIDE. THANK YOU FOR ALL OF THE MOVING PARTS THAT KEEP US MOVING TOGETHER, MOVING FORWARD. SECOND, I WANT TO SAY A SECOND TIME THAT I AM GRATEFUL THAT HURRICANE SEASON IS OVER. THE FIRST TIME I SAID IT TIM SENT ME A TEXT MESSAGE THE NEXT MORNING AND SAID I'M SURE THERE'S A MANDELA EFFECTS. I AM SURE BECAUSE AS A TEEN HURRICANE SEASON RAN FROM JUNE TO NOVEMBER. ALL OF THE SUDDEN IT

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ANYWAY, HURRICANE SEASON IS OFFICIALLY OVER AND CLAY COUNTY IS SAFE . I AM GRATEFUL FOR THAT. THIRD, I WOULD BE REMISS NOT TO SAY OAK LEAF, THE PARADE THIS YEAR, I WANT TO SAY THAT ONE THING THOUGH. WE HAVE THE VENDOR MARKET AND FESTIVAL STARTING AT 4:00 P.M. COME OUT, THE OPEN FIELD WHERE THE VENDOR MARKET SETUP IS ON THE OTHER SIDE BUT THEY ARE RIGHT ACROSS FROM EACH OTHER. HERE IS ANOTHER THING SPECIFIC TO THOSE THAT WANT TO COME OUT. I KNOW IT IS A CLAY THING . PLEASE BE VERY CAREFUL ABOUT THE MEDIAN. WHAT WAS HAPPENING AND WHAT HAS BEEN HAPPENING IS FOLKS ARE LINING UP ON FOUR PARTS OF THE ROAD . YOU HAVE THE FAR RIGHT SIDE OF OAK LEAF PLANTATION PARKWAY AND THEN WHERE THE MEDIAN STARTS. ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE MEDIAN AND THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ROAD. YOU HAVE CLUSTERS OF FOUR IN BOTH DIRECTIONS. THAT IS SO UNSAFE SO PLEASE BE CAREFUL. SHOUT OUT TO THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, SHOUT OUT TO FIRE RESCUE. THEY ARE ALWAYS THERE, BUT PLEASE BE CAREFUL . THAT ALWAYS GIVES ME CONCERN. YES. THE VENDOR MARKET AND FESTIVAL STARTS AT 4:00.

>> THAT IS 1600 HOURS FOR THE FESTIVAL AND VENDOR MARKET AND THEN IT WOULD BE 1600 HOURS FOR THE PARADE. IS THAT RIGHT?

>> I HAVE NO IDEA. >> WHATEVER. GOOD DEAL. LAST BUT NOT LEAST . MERRY CHRISTMAS AND HAPPY NEW YEAR.

>> THE TRIP TO TALLAHASSEE LAST WEEK TO THE REPRESENTATIVE FOR THEIR CANDID MEETINGS WITH WHAT'S GOING ON AT THE STATE LEVEL WE HAVE THE FIRE STATION CONSTRUCTION EVENT IN DISTRICT 2 . IT WAS A FANTASTIC TURNOUT. A LOT OF THE COMMUNITY CAME OUT .

I THINK THE BIGGEST THING WITH THE FIRE STATION IS WHAT WE ARE DOING AS A COMMISSION, ROOF IS IN THE PUDDING OF THE BLOCKING AND TACKLING THAT THE BOARD DOES. OBVIOUSLY WE ALL AGREE THAT PUBLIC SAFETY IS THE NUMBER ONE PRIORITY. IT'S EXCITING TO SEE THE BOND COMING INTO EXISTENCE AND SEEING THE FINISHED PRODUCT . I AM EXCITED TO SEE THOSE COME ONLINE AND CONTINUE THAT PROJECT. SATURDAY I GOT TO ATTEND THE GREEK CHRISTMAS PARADE WHICH IS AN ICONIC TOURIST EVENT. THE WEATHER WAS NOT OPTIMAL. IT WAS VERY COLD AND WINDY. STILL 2 TO 3 CHAIRS DEEP ALL THE WAY DOWN HIGHWAY 17. SHOUT OUT TO THE GRAND MARSHAL ONE OF MY FORMER TEAMMATES , DANE DUNNING. WORLD SERIES CHAMPION WITH THE TEXAS RANGERS. HE AND HIS WIFE CAME DOWN AND WROTE IN THE PARADE. HATS OFF TO KNOX PEST CONTROL.

THEY PRODUCED ONE OF THE BEST PARADE FLOATS THAT I'VE EVER SEEN IN MY LIFE. I TRULY DO MEAN THAT. THIS FLOW HAD A MOVING FERRIS WHEEL. IT HAD MOVING SWINGS. IT WAS UNBELIEVABLE.

SOMEHOW AND WE ARE NOT GOING TO OPEN AN INVESTIGATION. YOU MIGHT'VE SEEN THE COMMENTS ON SOCIAL MEDIA BECAUSE THEY WERE UNBELIEVABLE. HATS OFF TO KNOX PEST CONTROL. ALSO, THANK YOU SO MUCH TO JUSTIN IN THE PARKS DEPARTMENT. WE FINALLY GOT THE BLACK CREEK TRAIL OPEN. RAVING REVIEWS FROM CITIZENS WHO USE

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LIKE COMMISSIONER COMPERE, SATURDAY LEMING ISLAND A LITTLE BIRDIE TOLD ME SANTA CLAUS MIGHT BE COMING TO TOWN FOR THE FIRE TRUCK PARADE THAT HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR A LONG TIME. WE START AT THE CURRENT STATION 22, PATTERSON ELEMENTARY, KICK IT OUT TO 17. WE WILL GO TO PACE ISLAND, HAVISHAM HARBOR, WE WILL FINISH UP IN MARGARET'S WALK. I HOPE YOU CAN JOIN US. IT IS A LOT OF FUN. LASTLY, REMEMBER THE REASON FOR THE SEASON AS WE ARE ROLLING INTO CHRISTMAS. I WISH EVERYONE A VERY MERRY CHRISTMAS.

>> THANK YOU SO MUCH. >> THANK YOU TO EVERYONE FOR

YOUR SUPPORT MY FIRST NIGHT HERE >> IT HAS BEEN A LONG NIGHT.

>> I AM PRETTY SURE THE ANSWER OF WHY KNOX PEST CONTROL DID NOT WIN IS ALSO THE REASON ALABAMA GOT INTO THE COLLEGE FOOTBALL PLAYOFFS AND NOTRE DAME DIDN'T. AT ANY RATE, I WILL APOLOGIZE .

ABOUT TWO HOURS AGO I STARTED REALLY REGRETTING MY LACK OF FOOD CONSUMPTION TODAY SO I WILL APOLOGIZE FOR MY IRRITABILITY. I WAS ASKING THE CLERK IF ANYONE WOULD BE OFFENDED IF I ORDERED A PIZZA. I DO APOLOGIZE. BUT AT ANY RATE, I WAS PRETTY PASSIONATE. I REALLY WANT TO GO BACK TO MY COMMENTS AT THE WORKSHOP THIS MORNING. I REALLY DO HOPE THAT WE WILL WORKSHOP.

MAYBE I'M THE ONLY ONE THAT WANTS TO TALK ABOUT IT, BUT AT LEAST THE 25% FOR HOMESTEAD. BASED ON WHAT WE HEARD LAST WEEK THERE IS A PRETTY STRONG FEELING THAT THAT WILL PASS. WITH THE GOVERNOR TALKING ABOUT HOMESTEAD EXEMPTIONS WHAT THAT WOULD BE AS YOU GET THAT FIRST 50,000. YOUR EDDIE HAVE THE EXEMPTIONS IF YOU HAVE HOMESTEAD. WHAT THEY ARE LOOKING AT IS 25% OF THE VALUE OF YOUR HOME FOR AN ADDITIONAL ONE. THAT WOULD BE $20 MILLION REDUCTION IN CLAY COUNTY GOVERNMENT BUDGET . THAT WOULD BE VERY DIFFICULT FOR US TO COME UP WITH. I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT TO START TALKING ABOUT. IT IS IMPORTANT TO EDUCATE VOTERS. YOU SAID VOTERS ARE SMART. I THINK THEY ARE REALLY SMART. JUST TONIGHT SOMEBODY SAID SOMETHING ABOUT THEIR TAXES PAY OUR SALARIES. THEY ACTUALLY DON'T. IN CLAY COUNTY THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THAT PROPERTY TAXES ONLY COVER THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND MOST OF THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT. IN FACT, WE TAKE OTHER MONEY FOR REVENUE STREAMS. YOU CAN SAY I PAY SOME OF THAT IN SALES TAX AND GAS TAX BUT IT HAS TO GO TO THE ROADS. I THINK WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE ARE EDUCATING ON ALL THE REQUIREMENTS WE ARE REQUIRED TO FUND AND ALSO WHERE THE FUNDING SOURCES COME FROM. PEOPLE SAY YOU ARE ROLLING IN MONEY BECAUSE OF ALL THE NEW CONSTRUCTION, BUT COST OF THINGS HAVE GONE UP. IT IS INTERESTING. COMMISSIONER, YOU ASKED ABOUT THE INTEREST REGAINED FROM THAT BOND FUND. I WAS THINKING ABOUT THE WORK WE DID IN DISTRICT 5 ON THOSE ROADS. MAN, WE WOULD HAVE AN IN REAL TROUBLE IF WE HAD NOT HAD THAT $17 MILLION BECAUSE WE COULD NOT DO AS MUCH AS WE WANTED TO. I HOPE WE WILL KEEP TALKING ABOUT IT. THE OTHER THING IS TO EDUCATE THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE. I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT THAT YOU KNOW AS A THOUGHT OR IF YOU GO TO THE BALLOT BOX NEXT NOVEMBER WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WILL BE ON THERE BUT WE ARE ASSURED SOMETHING WILL BE THAT SAYS ELIMINATION OF SOME KIND OF PROPERTY TAXES. WHAT WE WANT YOU TO KNOW IS WHAT THAT ACTUALLY MEANS BECAUSE IT'S REALLY EASY TO SAY I DON'T HAVE TO PAY IT BUT IS IT GOING TO BE IF THE AMBULANCE SHOWS UP AT YOUR HOUSE

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CHRISTMAS AND HAPPY NEW YEAR. >> I WILL PASS OUT THESE FOR COMMITTEES. I GUESS YOU CAN LOOK AND MAKE SURE THAT YOU ARE OKAY WITH IT. DID YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING?

>> WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY AT THE FIRST ONE IN JANUARY TO BRING IT BACK TO A VOTE IF IT EVEN CF1 O REQUIRES A VOTE. TERESA DID A GOOD JOB PUTTING IT TOGETHER. THERE WERE COMMITTEES THAT MOVED OFF OF HERE WE CAN PUT IT ON THE AGENDA IT DOES NOT HAVE TO BE APPROVED. CONSIDERING THAT FOURTH JUDICIAL CIRCUIT. I ASKED HER TO BE ON THE COMMITTEE BUT SHE HAD TO RESIGN. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ACTUAL REQUIREMENTS OF THE POSITION .

>> I AM LEANING TOWARDS -- I'M NOT A COUNSELOR BUT I DO KNOW A GUY THAT IS A GUBERNATORIAL APPOINTEE ON THE FLORIDA JUVENILE JUSTICE . WE KNOW A GUY THAT KNOWS A GUY . CAN I GIVE YOU AN ANSWER UNLESS SOMEBODY WANTS TO BROTHER HAND IN THERE.

>> IT IS DEFINITELY IN MY PROFESSIONAL LIFE.

>> I DO NOT HAVE ANYTHING . I WAS SO SADDENED BY THE PASSING OF JIM. I THINK HE WAS ON THE TBL. JUST ONE OF THE NICEST PEOPLE . YOU DON'T EVEN THINK ABOUT HOW FAST IT CAN HAPPEN .

LOVE YOUR FAMILIES AND ENJOY YOUR FAMILY TIME AND PRAY FOR THOSE THAT HAVE LOST LOVED

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.