Nov 17, 2025 Charter Review Commission

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PRAY FOUR FIRST RESPONDERS AS WE GO THROUGH OUR NEXT PHASE IN LIFE AND HIS PRECIOUS NAME I PRAY AMEN.

>> AMEN. >> ALL RIGHT, LEAD US IN THE

PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. >> I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG TO THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION, UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE WITH

LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. >> WE ARE USED TO DOING THAT.

>> ME TOO. >> THE SO ONE OF OUR MEETINGS WE GO TO AFTER THE PLANE IS YOU CAN PROBABLY HEAR US ALL THE WAY TO DUVAL AND PUTNAM AND THAT'S WHY WE GO TO THE MEETING AT AT THE SAME TIME AND WE YELL SO FORGIVE US.

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>> OR JOINS. >> YES. WE WILL GO AHEAD BEFORE WE GO INTO WELCOME CALL TO ORDER. THIS TIME I AM GOING TO START WITH SUSAN AND JUST ANNOUNCE YOUR NAME FOR ROLL CALL AND REMEMBER TO TUN ON YOUR MICROPHONE IN.

>> SUSAN CALLAHAN. >> TIM NGUYEN.

>> MATTHEW MITCHELL. >> SHERRY WARREN.

>> BRANDON SALTER. >> KURT MUSSER.

>> COURT ANY CONNOR. >>UAL MCY. MCNAIR.

>> RONDA JET. STEVE ANDERSON. CHRISTY PERRY.

>> GLEN TAYLOR. >> AND TO RECOGNIZE OUR ALTERNATES WE HAVE HERE TODAY, BILL AND DALE THANK YOU. WELL

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CHARTER. >> I MOB FOR APPROVAL OF

MINUTES. >> I HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL.

I HAVE A SECOND BY SHERRY, AND ANY REVISIONS TO THE MINUTES? ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL RIGHT. PLEASE INDICATE APPROVAL

BY SAYING AYE. >> AYE.

>> PLEASE INDICATE ANY OBJECTIONS BY SAYING MINUTES ARE

APPROVED . >>> OKAY. NEXT IS THE DISCUSS EYE TEMPT TWO SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS BLESSED BY THEIR PRESENCE TO EDUCATE US ON SOME IS OF OUR TOPICS THAT WE WILL BE DISCUSSING TODAY. BEFORE I BRING OUR FIRST SPEAKER UP, LET ME JUST KIND OF SET THE STAGE FOR WHY I PARTICULARLY SELECTED THESE TWO SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS. AT OUR LAST MEETING, WE APPROVED THE ITEMS TO DISCUSS AND THEN WE TALKED ABOUT AND EVERYONE GAVE ME THE TASK OF ORGANIZING THESE PARTICULAR TOPICS. AND THE GOAL WAS FOR SIMPLICITY, TO ORDER THEM IN BASICALLY IN THE ORDER OF OUR CHARTER, RIGHT. SO, HOWEVER WE HAPPEN TO HAVE QUITE A FEW ITEMS THAT ARE FOR ARTICLE 2. SO, WHICH AT A MINIMUM, WE ARE GOING TO NEED TWO MEETINGS TO FULLY DISCUSS EVERYTHING THAT WE HAVE IDENTIFIED FOR ARTICLE 2. SO, I WENT AHEAD AND SELECTED IS ARTICLE 1 AND ARTICLE 3 FOR TODAY'S REVIEW. AND THOSE TWO ITEMS INCLUDE FROM ARTICLE 1 SECTION 1.5, CASINO GAMBLING BRANDON SALTER HAD RAISED THE TOPIC OF MODERNIZING THE LANGUAGE IN THE PARTICULAR SECTION. AND WHEN IT COMES TIME, I WILL HAVE HIM FURTHER DESCRIBE OR ILLUSTRATE WHAT HE MEANS BY THAT. NEXT, IS ARTICLE 3, WE HAVE TWO TOPICS HERE 3.1 COUNTY CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICERS WHO LOOKING SPECIFICALLY AT RESIDENCY REQUIREMENT AND SEEING ABOUT POTENTIALLY EXPANDING ON THAT. AND THEN THE NEXT IS RECALL. I BELIEVE YUL CORRECT ME IF I AM WRONG DID YOU RAISE THAT

AS A TOPIC. >> NOT RECALL BUT RESIDENCY.

>> OKAY. OKAY. SO WE WILL DISCUSS A LITTLE BIT ABOUT RECALL. SO THOSE ARE KIND OF THE PRECURSERS AS TO WHY I REQUESTED MARK WHO IS HIS EXPERIENCE IS OVER 30 YEARS AS OUR CLAY COUNTY

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WITHIN THE CONFINES OF A CHARTER. AND THEN WE ARE PRIVILEGE TO HAVE OUR SUPERVISOR OF ELECTIONS CHRIS CHAMBLISS TO GIVE US HISTORY AND EDUCATION CONCERNING OUR CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICERS. I DON'T THINK I KNOW ANYONE BETTER TO TO THAT FOR US TONIGHT. SO WITHOUT FURTHER ADIEU, BEFORE I JUMP IN THERE BUT ANY DISCUSSION ON THESE PARTICULAR SPEAKERS BEFORE I LET

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VERY MUCH, MARK. IS THAT ON? >> AM I ON?

>> OKAY. GOOD, GOOD. OKAY. I ASSUME YOU'VE BEEN SCHOOLED ON SUNSHINE AND PUBLIC RECORDS, STUFF LIKE THAT. AM I RIGHT

ABOUT THAT? >> NOT ENTIRE, I SPECIFICALLY

HAVEN'T. [INAUDIBLE] >> OKAY, I AM -- OKAY, I AM -- MY WORK WITH HISTORY, BUT EVERYONE OF YOU IS SUBJECT TO THE SUNSHINE LAW. WHICH MEANS THAT ANY DISCUSSIONS THAT YOU HAVE WITH EACH OTHER HAVE TO OCCUR ON THE RECORD IN A MEETING IN A PROPERLY NOTICED MEETING. IF YOU GO OUTSIDE AND START CHARTING ABOUT SOMETHING TO DO WITH CHARTER, CAN'T DO THAT.

AND THERE ARE PENALTIES AND NASTY THINGS THAT CAN HAPPEN FOR DOING THAT. PUBLIC RECORDS, ALL OFF COUNTY DOCUMENTS THAT ARE NOT OTHERWISE EXEMPT AND THERE'S A LIST OF EXEMPTIONS, BUT ALL OF THEM ARE AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC. THE COUNTY AND ALL THE AGENTS OF THE COUNTY THAT HOLD REPORTS, THEY HOLD THEM IN TRUST FOR THE PUBLIC. SO, IF ANYBODY WANTS TO SEE A RECORD, THEY DON'T HAVE TO EXPLAIN WHY. THEY DON'T EVEN HAVE TO GIVE THEIR NAME. THEY DON'T HAVE TO PAY, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T SEND THEM AWAY UNLESS IT IS LITERALLY SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TO RESEARCH IT'S AN INSTANTANEOUS REQUIREMENT. SO PEOPLE HAVE TO PUT DOWN WHAT THEY ARE DOING AND RESPOND TO THE PUBLIC RECORDS.

AND THERE ARE SNITCHES THAT GO AROUND THE STATE TRYING TO TRAP PEOPLE TO SEE IF THEY CAN CREATE A CAUSE OF ACTION AND IT'S JUST KIND OF A NASTY LITTLE BUSINESS, BUT THEY HAD MATE MADE A LOT OF MONEY DOING IT BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO PAY THEIR ATTORNEYS FEES AND DAMAGES AND IT'S REALLY INCONTESTABLE AND INDEFENSIBLE.

OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT? SO DON'T TALK TO EACH OTHER OUTSIDE OF THE MEETING. SO, THE CONSTITUTION CONTEMPLATES TWO FORMS OF COUNTY GOVERNMENT, ONE IS CHARTER AND ONE IS NONCHARTER. AND THE DEFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO IN A NUTSHELL IS THAT NONCHARTER COUNTIES ONLY HAVE THOSE POWERS THAT ARE SPECIFICALLY PROVIDED TO THEM BY LAW. SPECIAL ACT OR GENERAL LAW.

AND MOST OF THAT IS IN CHAPTER 125 OF THE FLORIDA STATUTES. SO YOU CAN GO ONLINE, AND SEE THE STATUTES. IT'S PRETTY WELL INDEXED. AND, THE SITE, I WOULD USE, YOU CAN GO TO DIFFERENT SITES BUT THE ONE I WOULD USE IS CALLED ONLINE SUNSHINE. ONLINE SUNSHINE. AND THERE'S SEVERAL LINKS THERE, ONE FOR THE CONSTITUTION, ONE FOR THE FLORIDA STATUTES AND OTHER LINKS THAT ARE RELEVANT. BUT, I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT JUST SO YOU CAN SEE THE SCOPE OF WHAT A NONCHARTER COUNTY GENERALLY AUTHORIZED TO DO. THIS IS PROVIDED FOR IN THE FLORIDA CONSTITUTION. ARTICLE 8 IS THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT ARTICLE OF THE CONSTITUTION AND REALLY PROVIDES FOR ALL THINGS LOCAL GOVERNMENT. AND RIGHT AT THE BEGINNING OF IT IS THE

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THEY HAD AN ORDINANCE THAT CREATED THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR'S POSITION AND THE ADMINISTRATOR HAD ALL THE EMPLOYEES REPORTING TO HIM OR HER. SO, WHEN THEY WENT TO CHARTER, THERE'S THREE DIFFERENT TYPES OF CHARTER GOVERNMENT AND ONE IS COUNTY MANAGER. ANOTHER ONE IS COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR AND ANOTHER ONE I THINK IS A MAYOR. BUT, THEY CHOSE COUNTY MANAGER FORUM. DIDN'T REALLY CHANGE THINGS DRAMATICALLY. ALL OF THE COMMISSIONERS WERE ELECTED THE VERY SAME WAY IN A SINGLE MEMBER CONTEXT. AT LARGE. SO EVERYBODY VOTED. YOU JUST HAD TO RESIDE, EVERYBODY HAD TO RESIDE IN ONE COMMISSION DISTRICT THE COUNTY THE WAS DIVIDED IN FIVE DISTRICTS. SO EVERYBODY GOT TO VOTE. THE CONSTITUTIONAL

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THEY ARE ELECT THE JUST THE SAME. SO THAT'S HOW THINGS PROCEEDED FOR QUITE SOME TIME. THE REAL BENEFIT OF A CHARTER GOVERNMENT IN MY OPINION, IS THAT YOU HAVE ACCESS TO THAT -- THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT HAS ACCESS TO THE TAXATION POWERS OF A MUNICIPALITY. SUPREME COURT DECIDED THAT JUST LIKE A MUNICIPALITY HAS ITS CHARTER SO A COUNTY THAT HAS A CHARTER IS EQUIVALENT TO A MUNICIPALITY. SO BECAUSE OF THAT, THEY SIGNED OFF ON THIS IDEA THAT CHARTER COUNTIES COULD LEVY TAXES THAT ONLY MUNICIPALITIES COULD LEVY. AND THIS TURNS OUT THERE'S ONLY ONE OF THOSE THAT I KNOW OF NOW. THERE USED TO BE TWO. THERE WAS A COMMUNICATIONS TAX, WHICH THE LEGISLATURE EVENTUALLY PREEMPTED AND COLLECTS AND DISTRIBUTES TO COUNTIES AND RAKES FOR THEMSELVES AND UTILITY TAX. SO, CLAY COUNTY DOES HAVE A UTILITY TAX. IT IS NOT THE FULL AUTHORIZATION UNDER THE LAW. BUT THEY DO ONE AND AS IT TURNS OUT THEY NEED IT. THEY NEED THAT TAX BECAUSE IT SUPPORTS THE EMPLOYEES OF THE COUNTY GOVERNMENT. AND I AM ALL ABOUT THE EMPLOYEES. I THINK THE EMPLOYEES ARE THE HEART OF THE SERVICE AND IT'S A SERVICE BUSINESS. AND THE SERVICES DELIVERED BY THE COUNTY EMPLOYEES. HOW MANY ARE THERE NOW? 600? SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

800 NOW? I'VE BEEN GONE FOR NINE YEARS SO 800. AND A LOT OF THOSE ARE FIRE RESCUE, PUBLIC WORKS THOSE ARE THE TWO LARGEST GROUPS. THE SHERIFF HAS HER OWN FORCE. DURING DURING THE COURSE OF THIS CHARTER GOVERNMENT DURING MY TENURE THERE WERE A NUMBER OF PETITIONS THAT WERE ADVANCED UNDER THE PROVISIONS OF THE CHARTER THAT ALLOWED PEOPLE TO PETITION FOR AN AMENDMENT TO THE CHARTER. AND THOSE ARE PRETTY OWN ROUSE BUT THEY ACCOMPLISHED A NUMBER OF THEM. ONE WAS TO MAKE THE COMMISSIONERS SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICT. MEANING, THAT THEY HAVE TO RESIDE IN THEIR DISTRICT, NUMBER ONE, WHICH WAS ALWAYS THE CASE. BUT NUMBER TWO, ONLY THE PEOPLE THAT ARE IN THAT DISTRICT THAT RESIDE IN THAT DISTRICT ARE ALLOWED TO VOTE FOR THEM. SO NOWADAYS, YOU CAN ONLY VOTE IF YOU LIVE IN THE COUNTY, YOU CAN ONLY VOTE FOR ONE COMMISSIONER EVERY FOUR YEARS.

IF THAT COMMISSIONER IS EVEN ON THE BALLOT. ANOTHER ONE HAPPENED AT THE SAM TIME WAS TO LET'S SEE SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICT TERM LIMITS. IN MY VIEW, IT'S A SHAME THAT IT HAPPENED THAT WAY.

IN MY VIEW, AND I GUESS I'VE HAD THE LONG VIEW BECAUSE I OPERATED UNDER NONCHARTER FOR YEARS. AND THEN UNDER CHARTER GOVERNMENT. I THINK IT TAKES A COMMISSIONER PROBABLY FOUR YEARS JUST TO LEARN THE BUDGET. I DON'T KNOW IF I'VE SEEN THE BUDGET. IT'S ABOUT THAT THICK AND IT'S BASICALLY A LINE ITEMING OF PROPOSED EXPENSES. AND SO, WHEN YOU ARE SPENDING MONEY, YOU HAVE TO MAKE SURE IT'S COMING OUT OF THE PROPER ACCOUNT THAT WAS SET ASIDE FOR THAT PURPOSE. SO, I THINK IT TAKES THEM THAT MUCH TIME BECAUSE A LOT OF FUNDS THAT THE COUNTY RECEIVES ARE RESTRICTED. SALES TAXES. OKAY. AND PEOPLE OH MY GOSH, THE COUNTY HAS SALES TAXES. WELL, THEY CAN'T USE THAT FOR

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AND I THINK THAT FOR NONCHARTER COUNTY, THERE'S A STATUTEISH THINK IT'S 186, THAT GOVERNS THE COMPENSATION OF ALL THE CONSTITUTIONALS AND COUNTY COMMISSIONERS. AND I THINK THE COUNTY COMMISSIONER HERE I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT IT WOULD BE IF MAYBE 80 PLUS, 90, YEAH, 90, I THINK IT'S EARNED. MY 30 YEARS OF WATCHING WHAT THEY DO AND YOU WANT TO COMPENSATE THEM PROPERLY BECAUSE OF THE WORK THEY DO AND YOU WANT TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO SEEK THE OFFICE. BUT IF YOU HAVE TO SACRIFICE YOUR TIME AND TAKE AWAY FROM YOUR BUSINESS, OR YOUR FAMILY, AND THERE'S JUST REALLY NO COMPENSATION FOR IT TO SPEAK OF, THIRD, MAYBE AND I THINK THAT WAS DONE SPITEFULLY. IT WAS DONE BY THE SAME GROUP THAT DID THE TERM LIMITS AND THE ZINC MEMBER DISTRICTS. I THINK THAT GROUP WAS INTERESTED IN TRYING TO CREATE MORE TURNOVER ON THE COUNTY COMMISSION. BUT ON TOP OF THAT, THEN THEY PUT THAT CAP ON THE SALARIES. THAT HAS BEEN ON THE BALLOT TWO OR THREE TIMES.

TWICE. TWICE ON THE BALLOT TO CHANGE THAT. SO SOME OF THEM WERE MODEST CHANGES. YOU ARE NOT GOING TO GET ANYTHING DONE IN TERMS OF AMENDING THE CHARTER IF YOU DON'T HAVE SOMETHING -- SOMEBODY, SOMEHOW TO ADVOCATE FOR IT. WHEN IT JUST SITS THERE ON THE BALLOT, IT DOESN'T SELL ITSELF AT ALL. SO IF YOU HAVE A GOOD IDEA AND WANT TO AMEND THE CHARTER, YOU GOT TO GET SOMEHOW, YOU HAVE TO PUT TOGETHER A TEAM THAT WILL ADVOCATE FOR IT AND PUT SOME MONEY BEHIND IT. OR IT AIN'T GOING TO HAPPEN. THAT'S MY OPINION. SO, THAT'S THE HISTORY OF THE CHARTER. IN A NUTSHELL. THERE'S A LOT MORE TO IT THAN THAT. ONE OF THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSIONS PROPOSED AMENDMENT THAT WAS A GOOD ONE.

AND THAT WAS TO TAKE SOME OF THE FUNCTIONS OF THE CLERK, PUT THEM IN THE COUNTY MANAGER. MORE LIKE A CORPORATION. AND THAT HAD TO DO WITH CUSTODIAN OF FUNDS, PREPARING THE BUDGET, AND BEING -- BASICALLY THE SECRETARY FOR THE BOARD. BUT, THE LAST

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USED TO BE ABLE TO ABOLISH THEIR ROLE AND ASSIGN THAT ROLE TO SOME APPOINTED PERSON. USED TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT. CAN'T DO THAT ANYMORE. THAT'S NOT SUCH A BAD THING. BUT, THE CLERK HAS REALLY FOUR DISTINCTION FUNCTIONS. THE CLERK IS THE RECORDER FOR PUBLIC RECORD DOCUMENTS, MORTGAGES, DEEDS, EASEMENTS AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF. THE CLERK OF THE COURT, MANAGES THE DOCKETS AND FILING THAT SORT OF THING. AND IT IS THE CUSTODIAN OF FUNDS AND IS IS THE AUDITOR. THE AUDIT FUNCTION IS KIND OF UNIQUE. IT'S NOT LIKE AN EXTERNAL AUDIT THAT YOU WOULD HIRE A CPA TO COME IN A GO THROUGH YOUR BOOKS AND RIGHT YOU REPORT AS TO YOUR COMPLIANCE. THE AUDITOR IS REALLY PRE-AUDITOR AND WHAT THEY DO AS A PRE-AUDIT IS WHENEVER A PURCHASE ORDER IS SENT OVER, FROM THE COUNTY, THEY LOOK TO SEE A, IS IT APPROPRIATED IN THE BUDGET AND UNINCUMBERED. IN OTHER WORDS, IT'S NOT ALREADY TIED UP IN SOME OTHER PURCHASE ORER. THEY LOOK TO MACK SURE IT IS PROPERLY APPROPRIATED. YOU CAN'T SPENT SPEND NONNY THAT'S NOT PROPERLY APPROPRIATED. THEY LOOK THAT THE RULES THAT APPLIED WERE FOLLOWED AND THEY MAKE SURE A PUBLIC PURPOSE WAS SERVED. AND THAT'S SUBJECTIVE AND TIMES YOU HAVE TO ARGUE ABOUT IT. BUT THOSE ARE THE THREE ROLES THE CLERK UNDERTAKES. I WILL JUST KIND OF CLOSE WITH THE BUDGET BUSINESS. SO, THE CLERK IS THE BUDGET OFFICER NOW. AND I AM NOT SURE THAT YOU CAN'T PULL THAT BACK. IT USED TO BE IN 129 THAT YOU CAN CREATE COURTNEY, DO YOU KNOW WHETHER YOU CAN BY RESOLUTION, FULT BUDGET BACK OVER HERE? I CAN'T REMEMBER.

IT'S IN IT WAS. IT WAS. SO, EVERY CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICER COMMITS A BUDGET DURING THE BUDGET SEASON, WHICH IS BEGINNING OF THE END OF MAY, THINK IS THE END OF MAY, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. TWO OF THEM -- ONE IS A FEE OFFICER, THE TAX COLLECTOR. BUT STILL WILL SUBMIT BUDGET TO THE BUDGET OFFICER AND THAT'S THE CLERK. AND THE CLERK IS ALSO SEMI-FEE OFFICER AND COLLECTS FEES IN FUNCTIONING AS CLERK OF THE COURT. AND IS THE RECORDING OFFICER. BUT THEN THE COUNTY FUNCTIONS, THAT'S SECRETARY FOR THE BOARD, CUSTODIAN, THAT SORT OF THING.

THOSE THINGS HAVE TO BE APPROPRIATED SEPARATELY OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND. THEY ARE NOT FEE BASED. SO WHEN THE CONSTITUTIONAL SUBMIT THEIR BUDGETS, THAT THEN COMES TO THE COUNTY AND COUNTY HAS TO LOOK AT IT AND SAY OKAY, WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO AN ESTIMATES ARE MADE OF REVENUE. ALL THE REVENUE THAT IS EXPECTED TO COME INTO THE NEXT YEAR. WHICH IS A TEDIOUS, BECAUSE THEY COME IN FROM DIFFERENT SOURCES, BUT, PROJECTIONS HAVE TO BE MADE. AND ONCE -- ONCE THAT COMES IN, THE COUNTY COMMISSION THE MANAGER, PUTS TOGETHER A BUDGET FOR THE COUNTY. AND REALLY, COUNTY COMES IN LAST PLACE. BECAUSE, TYPICALLY, THE CONSTITUTIONALS THEY NEED WHAT THEY ASK FOR.

THEY THEY ARE TYPICALLY COMPLYING WITH THE EVER CHANGING LAW FEDERAL AND STATE, AND SO FOR THE MOST PART THEY ARE

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>> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> ANY QUESTIONS? >> I DO HAVE A FOLLOW-UP QUESTION, AND APPRECIATE ALL THE BACK STORY. THINK THAT REALLY GIVES US -- HELS TO ILLUSTRATE THE HISTORY WHY WE ARE HERE, HOW DID WE GET HERE. WITH REGARDS TO THE SCOPE OF THE CHARTER, AND YOU KNOW I AM LOOKING AT THE ONE THAT WAS PROVIDED TO ME BY COMMISSIONER RENNINGER HERE, LOOKING AT THE TABLE OF CONTENTS, WE HAVE FOUR ARTICLES ARTICLE ONE CREATION, POWERS AND ORDINANCE OF HOME RULE CHARTER GOVERNMENT. ARTICLE 2, ORGANIZATION OF COUNTY GOVERNMENT, AND WE HAVE THE LEGISLATIVE BRANCH, EXECUTIVE BRANCH. ARTICLE. 3 ELECTED COUNTY CONSTITUTION OFFICES AND ARTICLE 4 HOME RULE CHARTER AMEND MEN REVIEWS EFFECTIVE DATE. EACH OF THE ARTICLES ARE VERY WELL SPECIFIED AND WELL BOUNDED. SO, WITH OUR DISCUSSION OF ITEMS THAT WE HAVE A LIST OF TOPICS THAT WE HAVE PULLED FROM THE AIR AND PULLED FROM OUR COMMUNITY, FOLKS WITHIN THE COMMUNITY THAT HAVE RAISED SOME IDEAS FOR US TO DISCUSS UP HERE, HOWEVER, CAN YOU EDUCATE US ON WHAT IS WITHIN THE PROPER SCOPE WITHIN THIS CHARTER ESPECIALLY GIVEN THOSE FOUR ARTICLES, AGAIN, BEING WELL BOUND, WHAT IS WITHIN THAT SCOPE AND REALLY WHAT DOES BELONG OUTSIDE OF THAT SCOPE OF CHARTER.

>> WELL, I THINK A CHARTER LIKE A CONSTITUTION, IS WHAT I WOULD CALL A FOUNDATIONAL DOCUMENT. OKAY. AND WHAT DOESN'T BELONG IN IT IS INSTRUCTLY LEGISLATIVE STUFF. THERE ARE WAYS TO PROPOSE ORDINANCES THAT ARE PROVIDED IN THE CHARTER. SO, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS ONE ABOUT ALCOHOL, ABOUT THE HOURS THAT ALCOHOL COULD BE SOLD. AND THAT WAS MANAGED THROUGH AN ORDINANCE, AND EVENTUALLY, IT WAS PRESENTED AS AN ORDINANCE, THE COUNTY COMMISSION HELD A PUBLIC HEARING AND DECIDED NOT TO ADOPT THE ORDINANCE FOLLOWING WHICH IT WAS THEN PUT ON THE BALLOT, AND APPROVED. SO, THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO TAKE ANY HEAT FOR HAVING CHANGED THE HOURS. SO THERE'S WAYS TO DO THAT. BUT, I DON'T THINK A CHARTER SHOULD HAVE ESSENTIALLY LEGISLATIVE ITEMS IN IT. OKAY. THERE'S BUSINESS AND HEAR ABOUT GAMBLING. NOT REALLY

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ANSWER. >> THAT DOES HELP, AND ACTUALLY, AND SOON AS I'M DONE WITH THIS I DON'T MEAN TO HOG THE FLOOR, BUT FOR THE SAKE OF SINCE YOU ARE HERE, AND TAKING ADVANTAGE OF YOUR 30 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE, AND YOU KNOW I JUST NEED TO THAT'S AN EXEMPLARY CAREER. SO, I WOULD LIKE TO JUST WALK THROUGH THE TOPICS THAT WE, AS A COMMISSION, HAVE IDENTIFIED AND HAVE APPROVED FOR DISCUSSION NOW THIS IS BEFORE YOU'RE TELLING US OR RECOMMENDING TO US WHAT IS WITHIN AND WITHOUT THE SCOPE.

SO, THESE ARE THE ITEMS THAT FELL OUTSIDE OF FITTING WITHIN ONE OF THE FOUR ARTICLES AND IF I COULD JUST RAISE THEM TO YOU AND ASK YOU BASED ON WHAT YOU JUST SHARED WITH US, WHETHER IT'S A POLICY OR LEGISLATIVE TOPICS, AS BEING MAYBE NOT WITHIN THE SCOPE, WHAT IS YOUR OPINION ON THESE PARTICULAR ITEMS. AND AGAIN, THESE ARE THE ITEMS THAT YOU ALL SHARED. SO, MARIJUANA DISPENSARIES I GET I WOULD SAY IT'S A POLICY AND MAYBE LEGISLATION. WOULD YOU AGREE.

>> ABSOLUTELY. >> I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK WITH

YOU. >> LAND LAND USE. IT'S LAND USE. IF YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT REGULATING THE OPERATIONAL SIDE, I THINK THAT'S PRETTY MUCH PREEMPTED. I WOULD ASSUME. I HAVE NOT LOOKED AT THAT STUFF. THAT'S WHAT COURTNEY DOES. SHE LOOKS AT THIS STUFF, BUT I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY PRETTY MUCH

PREEMPTED. >> IT STILL SITS IN THE LEGISLATIVE SIDE OF IT POLICY LEGISLATIVE.

>> YEAH, THE LAND USE WOULD BE OUT. THE OPERATIONAL STUFF IS PROBABLY PREEMPTED ABOUT THE HOURS THEY CAN OPERATE, AND YOU KNOW, HOW THEY ARE STAFFED OR THE EXPERTISE THEY MUST HAVE.

THAT KIND OF STUFF. THINK THAT'S ALL PREEMPTIVE.

>> OKAY. PREEMPTIVE IN TERMS OF STATE.

>> STATE LAW. >> STATE STATUES OR STATE LAW.

>> STATE LAW YES. >> PUBLIC ROADS FUNDING? WE HAVE DIRT ROADS OUT THERE, COMING UP WITH A CREATIVEIDEA TO FUND

THEM. >> I DON'T SEE THAT AS -- I -- HAVE WORKED THAT PROBLEM 30 YEARS, I WORKED THAT PROBLEM.

IT'S DIFFICULT, MAYBE I SHOULD COME BACK AND TALK ABOUT THAT.

IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO DO THAT. TO ME, IF YOU ARE ON A DIRT ROAD, I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE NECESSARILY FAIR TO EXPECT THE COUNTY TO COME IN AND PAVE IT ON THEIR DIME. EVERY BODY WHO LIVES ON A PAVED ROAD IN A SUBDIVISION, LET'S SAY, PAID FOR IT. WHETHER THEY, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS PART OF THE PRICE OF THE LOT, THE HOME WAS BUILT, YOU BOUGHT THE HOME, IT'S ALL EMBEDDED IN THAT. SO YOU PAID FOR THAT ROAD. IF THE COUNTY WERE TO GO AROUND TRYING TO PAVE EVERY ROAD, HOW MANY MILES, 200 MILES, SOMETHING LIKE THAT, IT IS JUST NOT PRACTICAL AND DOABLE. THE ONLY OTHER MECHANISM THAT IS POTENTIALLY USABLE IS AN

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BLUEJAYS. AND THERE WAS DENSITY THERE. THERE WAS DENSITY THERE.

BUT IT WAS -- IT WASN'T DONE THE WAY I WOULD HAVE LIKED IT TO BE DONE. I THINK WE BACKED INTO IT. WHEREAS YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO PUT THE NUMBERS TOGETHER UP FRONT, AND THEN DIVIDE BY THE NUMBER OF PAYERS. BUT, NO I DON'T THINK IT'S PROPER PLACE -- IT'S TOO COMPLICATED. I THINK IT'S MORE POLICY AND.

>> COMMISSIONER LEVEL OR. >> YES.

>> OKAY. >> IT'S ALSO A POLICY AND GUIDANCE THROUGH YOUR DEPARTMENT WITH THE COUNTY. AND THEN, YOUR A HE GETTING INTO THE WEEDS OF COUNTY ROADS, PRIVATE ROADS, STATE ROADS, I MEAN, THERE'S A LOT MORE TO IT THAN JUST PAVING A ROAD. AND THEN WE ARE GOING INTO, AGAIN LAND USE. AND WE ARE GAG BACK TO LEGISLATION AND POLICY AND HOW THAT FITS INTO THE GOVERNMENT GUIDANCE OF THE COUNTY. SO I THINK IT'S WAY MORE INTO IT THAN JUST LET'S PAVE A ROAD AND BRING SOME MONEY

TO PAVE IT. >> CAN I ASK A QUESTION.

>> SURE. >> SO, THERE'S SOME COUNTIES THAT ACTUALLY PUT IT TO THE TAX -- THE VOTERS TO I FORGOT THE TERM NOLOGY, SET MONEY ASIDE TO BE ONLY USED FOR THE ROADS.

COULD BE A TEN-YEAR PLAN, WITH ARE.

>> YEAH. >> THE VOTERS VOTE ON IT. AND THAT MONEY CAN ONLY BE USED FOR, SAY, PAVING THE ROADS. I MEAN, HAVE YOU HEARD OTHER COUNTIES DOING THAT.

>> NO, I HAVEN'T, BUT AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ORIGIN OF THAT MOVEMENT WAS. WAS IT BY PETITION OR WAS IT A CHARTER COMMISSION OR WAS IT COMMISSIONERS THEMSELVES. THE COMMISSIONERS CAN PROPOSE AMENDMENTS TO THE CHARTER AS WELL. BUT, AGAIN, YOU ARE STILL GOING TO BE STUCK WITH WHAT ROADS ARE GOING TO BE DONE. YOU CAN'T PUT THAT ON THE BALLOT.

YOU KNOW, SO, AS IT IS, IF YOU LOOK AT THE BUDGET, AND I ENCOURAGE YOU TO DO THAT, YOU WILL SEE THAT THERE ARE FUNDS SET ASIDE SPECIFICALLY FOR ROAD BUILDING. THAT'S REALITY. I DON'T KNOW YOU ARE ACCOMPLISHING MUCH IF YOU PUT SOMETHING IN YOUR CHARTER THAT SAYS THERE'S GOING TO BE A LONG-TERM PLAN AND YOU HAVE TO SET ASIDE THIS MUCH MONEY EACH YEAR. I DON'T -- I WOULD -- LOOKING BACK AT IT, IF I WERE FACED WITH THAT, I WOULDN'T EVEN KNOW HOW TO ADMINISTER THAT. THAT'S JUST ME, THOUGH. AND MAYBE THERE'S, YOU KNOW, IF YOU INVESTIGATE IT MORE, MAYBE THEY HAVE A BETTER -- MORE SOPHISTICATED APPROACH THAN SOMETHING I COULD IMAGINE.

>> I HEARD FROM LIKE CITY AND YOU NOTE HISTORY AND NOT LOT OF PEOPLE CAN EXPLAIN THIS TO ME. I REMEMBER ON THE BALLOT WHEN YOU TALKED ABOUT GAMBLING. THAT THE VOTERS VOTED IT DOWN AND NOW WE HAVE A POKER ROOM DO YOU KNOW NOT PUBLIC VOTED IN FAVOR OF THE CHARTER AMENDMENT THAT DEALT WITH GAMBLING BASICALLY SAID, IT'S BEEN AMENDED A COUPLE TIMES. BASICALLY SAID THAT THE -- WHAT HAPPENED BEFORE THIS. POKER ROOM HAPPENED BEFORE THIS HAPPENED. OKAY. AND IT WAS IN RESPONSE TO THE. POKER ROOM, OKAY. BUT THAT ALL HAPPENED IN ORANGE PARK. AND IT WAS A 3-2 DECISION IN ORANGE PARK TO ALLOW IT TO TAKE PLACE. BUT, IT IS A RESERVATION OF POWER BY THE ELECTORATE. CITIZENS OF THE COUNTY RESERVED THEMSELVES THE POWER TO APPROVE OR DES APPROVE CASINO GAMBLING OF ANY FAYTURE WITHIN THE NATURE OF THE COUNTY.

IT WAS APPROVED. THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF IT.

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>> CHAIR, TO THE ROADS DISCUSSION THAT TIM BROUGHT UP, KNOW WITHIN THE COUNTY BUDGET THEY DO HAVE A 10, 15, 20-YEAR PLAN OF INFRASTRUCTURE ROADS AND HOW THAT IS MAPPED OUT. IT IS FOREVER CHANGING BECAUSE SOME ROAD GET WAY WORSE THAN THEY ANTICIPATED. THE USAGE GETS HIGHER ALL THOSE FACTORS RULE INTO THAT. SO THERE ACTUALLY IS A ROLLOUT PLAN AND WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. WHEN YOU ADD A NEW DEVELOPMENTS THAT'S ALSO TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT OF IN A PLAN. SO THAT IS PART OF THE BUDGET

ALREADY. >> THAT'S RIGHT, I MEAN THE COUNTY RE-- WELL, FOUR YEARS AGO, FOUR OR FIVE YEARS AGO FLOATED A BOND ISSUE PLEDGING SALES TAX REVENUES AND USED THE MONEY TO UNDERTAKE SOME PRETTY SIGNIFICANT ROAD IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS. 315, 220, WHAT ELSE IS ON THAT LIST? YEAH. [INAUDIBLE] THE PRINCIPLE ARTERIES OF THE COUNTY. NOT THE STATE ROADS, THE STATE ROADS, THE STATE TAKES CARE OF THOSE. 21 AND 16 AND 17 ESSENTIALLY. AND 100. BUT, YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE THE PRINCIPLE ARTERIES WHERE THERE'S A LOT MORE POPULATION. AND SO YOU SEE THAT'S REALLY SOMETHING THAT THE COUNTY COMMISSION HAS TO BRAINSTORM. AND THEY HAVE OTHER WAYS TO FINANCED IT. THEY CREATED IMPACTEES AND SOME FAIR SHARE AND THOSE ARE COMPLEX ENOUGH TO SAY IT DOESN'T BELONG TO ME IN THE CHARTER IN ANYWAY.

SO, BECAUSE ALL THOSE PIECESS ARE MOVING, AT ANY ONE TIME IT'S JUST NOT PRACTICAL TO ME TO TRY TO ADDRESS THAT IN A

HEART ARE FORM OF GOVERNMENT. >> I JUST HAVE FEW MORE TO GET YOUR PERSONAL OPINION ON THEM. AND IF ANYONE HERE FOR THE SAKE OF TIME, BECAUSE WE HAVE ANOTHER SPEAKER AND WE HAVE A FULL

AGENDA SO,. >> IT CAN WAIT.

>> IF YOU HAVE COMMENTS WITH AS I GO THROUGH THIS LIST I WOULD ASK YOU PLEASE WRITE THEM DOWN AND WELCOME DISCUSSION ON THAT WHEN WE -- NO, NO. WHEN WE COME UP TO CRC COMMENTS AT THE ND AND END AND WE WILL HAVE TIME TO FULLY ADDRESS THEM AND I WANT TO BRING SOMETHING TO THE COMMISSION FOR THE COMMISSION DISCUSSION. BUT LET'S DO THAT AT THE END. AGAIN, FORSAKE OF TIME. SO, GREEN SPACE REQUIREMENTS WAS ANOTHER TOPIC THAT WAS RAISED IT'S KIND OF GENERAL GENERALLY SPEAKING.

>> HAS ANYBODY EVER SEEN THIS ANIMAL? IN A CHARTER?

>> NO, I HAVE NOT. SO. >> IT'S A LOVE WILL YOU IDEA BUT AGAIN LIKE THE CITY OF JACKSONVILLE,.

>> YEAH. >> MAYOR HE'S MY PARTNER JOHN DELANNY. HE WAS VERY INSTRUMENTAL IN CREATING A HUGE EXPANSION OF GREEN SPACE IN JACKSONVILLE. AND AGAIN, THAT REALLY OPERATES AT THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT LEVEL. IT WOULD BE NICE TO ADVANCE THAT AS MUCH AS YOU CAN. BUT IT'S A FUNDING ISSUE. SO IN MY TIME THERE WERE SOME EFFORTS TO DO THAT. AND A NUMBER OF PIECE OF PROPERTY WERE ACQUIRED. THE OLD WAPE PROPERTY UP ON FLEMMING ISLAND. AND THOSE WERE PRETTY BIG PIECES. AND THOSE ARE IN PERPETUITY SET ASIDE FOR THE PUBLIC. BUT, THE POLICY OF THE COUNTY NOW IS WHEN YOU CREATE NEW RESIDENTIAL GROWTH YOU HAVE TO SET ASIDE GREEN SPACE. PER COMP PLAN AND ZONING. YOU ALREADY HAVE TO THAT. AND YOU HAVE A LOT OF IT BOUND UP IN REGULATION WATER DISTRICT REGULATION THAT JUST CAN'T BE DEVELOPED ANYWAY. SO, WHAT'S MY OPINION ABOUT IT? I DON'T REALLY HAVE ONE OTHER THAN I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU WOULD FORCE THAT. BECAUSE OF THE MONEY ISSUE. JUNE.

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>> UNDERSTOOD WE HAVE INFRASTRUCTURE REQUIREMENT TAKING A PROACTIVE LOOK TO DEVELOPMENT AND WANTING TO HAVE A HAND IN THAT TO PERHAPS GUIDE IT. AND MAIN ENHANCE.

>> YOU COULD HAVE SOMETHING THAT THE COUNTY COMMISSION IS ENCOURAGED TO CREATE, BUT NOT MAKE IT MANDATORY IS JUST SOME -- WOULD THAT CREATE PROBLEMS FOR YOU, COURTNEY, IF THERE WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS ASPIRATIONAL? YEAH, I MEAN I SUPPOSE YOU COULD DO SOMETHING THAT SOMETHING THAT WAS ENCOURAGE BUT NOT BOND THE

COMMISSION TO MORE GREEN SPACE. >> AND LAST TWO HERE REAL QUCK.

MAIN ENTRANCE ENHANCEMENT INTO THE COUNTY. IS THAT KIND OF JUST

BEAUTIFY, I THINK THE ENTRANCE. >> I KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING

ABOUT. GREEN COVE HAS THEIR . >> SAY DIGS ADDITIONAL

ASSISTANCE FOR COMMISSIONERS. >> PROVIDING EACH ONE WITH A.

>> MAYBE NOT EACH ONE. THERE WAS NO SET NUMBER WHICH.

>> THE BUSINESS OF IT IS NINE YEARS PAST ME. AND I KNOW HOW BUSY THEY GO. TO HAVE ESSENTIALLY A LEGISLATIVE AID.

>> I WOULD ASK THEM. >> IS IT HEART WITHIN A HEART OR

ADMINISTRATIVE. >> ADMINISTRATIVE BECAUSE ALL THE EMPLOYEES WORK FOR THE MANAGER. ALL EMPLOYEES UNDER THE COUNTY COMMISSION WORK FOR THE MANAGER EVEN THOSE PEOPLE WOULD

WORK FOR THE MANAGER. >> OKAY UNDERSTOOD.

>> THOSE ARE ALL OF THE OTHER ITEMS I WANTED TO DISCUSS WITH REGARDS TO HIS TOPIC OF DISCUSSION WHICH IS THE HISTORICAL REVIEW AND THE SCOPE OF THE CHARTER. DO ANY OF -- ANY OF MY COMMISSION MEMBERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?

>> I DON'T KNOW IF I HAVE A QUESTION BUT I WANTED TO FOLLOW UP ON IT WAS BROUGHT UP ABOUT THE COMP CONTROLLER. ABOUT PULLING IT BACK AND I DON'T BELIEVE YOU CAN THE WAY IT IS WRITTEN AND PASSED SO THAT ANSWERS YOU. YOU CAN'T REDO YOU

CAN'T. >> IT WAS ACTUALLY A GOOD MEASURE THAT THE CHARTER REVIEW BECAUSE IT GOT THE COUNTY COMMISSION MORE COOPLY INVOLVED IN HOW THE BUDGET WORKS. AND NOW IT'S A LITTLE MORE REMOVE. IT'S A LITTLE MORE OPAQUE.

>> THAT WAS THE NEXT THING. THEY DON'T PREPARE THEM. IT IS A SEGREGATION OF DUTIES FROM THE COUNTY TO THE CORPORATE SO THAT'S A BENEFIT FOR THE CITIZENS AND WATCHOVER POWER.

AND IT'S MORE OF A PREPOST KIND OF ACTION. SO, I JUST WANTED TO CLEAR THAT UP FOR YOU GUYS IF YOU HAD.

>> YOU TALKING ABOUT THE AUDITOR?

>> THE COUNTY AUDITOR. >> THE CLERK OF COURT.

>> THE CLERK FUNCTIONS. >> THIS IS SEPARATE FROM THE AUDITOR. THE CLERK OF COURT IS WHAT WAS BROUGHT UP. AND THEN THEY ARE ACTUALLY PAID THROUGH, I DON'T REMEMBER THE ACTUAL NAME OF IT, BUT I LOOK AT IT AS LIKE A STATE COURT SYSTEM PAYS THE COUNTY DOES THAT. SO THAT'S KIND OF HOW THAT WORKS.

>> DOES THE COUNTY NOT PAY FOR THE COUNTY FUNCTIONS? COUNTY, YOU KNOW, THE CLERK IS THE RECORDER FOR THE COUNTY, DOES THE SECRETARIAL WORK ESSENTIALLY, TAKES THE MINUTES,

AND HANDLES THE RECORDS. >> THAT ADMINISTRATIVE SIDE MAY COME FROM THE COUNTY, BUT THE COMP CONTROLLER AND CLERK OF COURT THAT COMES FROM THIS STATE SYSTEM.

>> OKAY. THAT'S NEWS. SO THEY ARE ALWAYS CHANGING.

>> YEAH. JUST MY TWO CENTS. >> THEY ARE ALWAYS CHANGING THAT. BUT YOUR CONSTITUTIONAL DO GREAT JOB I WILL SAY THAT. THEY DO A GREAT JOB AND YOU'RE LUCKY TO HAVE THEM.

>> THANK YOU. >> GO RIGHT AHEAD.

>> IS YOUR AOPINION SECTION 1.5 REGARDING GAMBLING IS PREEMPTED

ALREADY. >> I HAVEN'T STUDIEDTHAT I WOULDN'T -- IT NEVER LOOKED TO ME LIKE IT WAS EVER GOING TO BE -- THE WINDOW UNDER WHICH THAT MIGHT HAVE SOME APPLICABILITY NEVER -- IT OCCURRED TO ME IT PROBABLY WOULD NEVER HAPPEN. YOU

[00:55:01]

YOU ASK ME. >> ALL RIGHT. SORRY KURT MUSSER

HAS A QUESTION. >> I HAVE A COUPLE. CORRECT ME IF I AM WRONG, BUT I GET THE IMPRESSION AND YOU KIND OF ANSWERED IT IN ONE OF THE THINGS YOU SAID THAT CLAY COUNTY COMMISSIONERS ON THE OUT OF SOMETHING AND THE COMMISSION ENDED UP PUTTING IT ON THE BALLOT TO BE VOTED ON.

>> THERE'S A PROVISION IN THE CHARTER, LET ME -- SHALL.

>> MY QUESTION IS, IS THIS COMMISSION GETS TOGETHER ONCE EVERY FOUR YEARS TO DECIDE WHAT GOES ON.

>> THAT'S TOO OFTEN. >> I AM SORRY.

>> THAT'S TOO OFTEN. BUT GO AHEAD I AM SORRY.

>> MY QUESTION IS EVERY THING THIS WE DO, CAN'T THE COUNTY

COMMISSIONERS DO AS WELL? >> WELL, THEY CAN PROPOSE

AMENDMENTS. >> RIGHT, SO, REALLY, ALL WE ARE IS WE PICK UP WHERE THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS DON'T WANT TO

PUT. >> I DON'T THINK SO. I THINK -- I THINK YOU HAVE YOUR OWN INDEPENDENT VOICE ON THIS.

>> OKAY WHAT I AM SAYING IS IF THERE'S SOMETHING THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS DOESN'T WANT TO TOUCH,.

>> I DON'T KNOW. >> THIS COMMISSION -- THIS

COMMISSION CAN CONSIDER THAT. >> YES I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU A

ARE SAYING. >> OKAY.

>> AND I AM -- AND AGAIN, YOU MIGHT TAKE ONE ASIDE INDIVIDUALLY AND TALK TO THEM ABOUT THAT. IS THERE SOMETHING YOU CAN'T TOUCH BUT WE COULD? THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.

>> BOTTOM LINE IS EVERYTHING THAT WE DO HERE, THE BOARD OF COMMON COMMISSIONERS CAN DO IT AS WELL.

>> THAT'S RIGHT. AND NOT ONLY THAT, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC CAN ORGANIZE A PETITION COMMITTEE AND POE PROS PROPOSE STUFF LIKE ZINC MEMBER DISTRICT AND SALARIES AND TERM LIMITS.

>> I GUESS BECAUSE YOU ARE PRESENTING HISTORICAL INFORMATION, WHEN I DID RESEARCH ON THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN COUNTY CHARTERS AND NONCOUNTY CHARTERS, ALL THE 20 CHARTER COUNTIES IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA CLAY COUNTY IS THE ONLY ONE THAT CREATED THE REQUIREMENT THAT THERE BE A MAJORITY VOTE IN A GENERAL ELECTION FOR SALARY ADJUSTMENTS. NONE OF THE OTHER CHARTER COUNTIES HAVE THAT REQUIREMENT. DOES THAT GO BACK WITH WHAT YOU KIND OF COMMENT YOU MADE THAT WHAT THE GROUP WHO PUT THE ORIGINAL CHARTER TOGETHER WERE A CLOSE-KNIT GROUP OF PEOPLE WHO DIDN'T WANT TO SEE ANYTHING HAPPEN WITH THE COUNTY COMMISSIONER REGARDS TO SALARY EXPANSION?

>> I DON'T KNOW OF OTHER COUNTIES THAT HAVE SALARY RULES

FOR COUNTY COMMISSIONERS. >> I DO. I HAVE A LIST IN FRONT OF ME. AND, CLAY IS THE ONLY ONE THAT SAYS THAT IT IS -- EVEN THOUGH IT HAS A CHARTER, IT HAS NOT PARENTHESIS REQUIRES A MAJORITY VOTE FROM THE GENERAL ELECTION. NONE OF THE OTHERS DO.

>> HE WONDERING IF YOU HAVE ANY HISTORICAL.

>> THIS WAS A SPITEFUL ACT BY A GROUP OF PEOPLE IN MY OPINION,.

>> OKAY THAT'S ALL YOU NEED TO SAY.

>> SPITEFUL. >> I THINK THAT'S PRETTY CLEAR.

>> TO STICK IT IN THEIR EYE BECAUSE THEY WANTED SOMETHING TO HAPPEN, A POLICY DECISION TO BE MADE, AND THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS SAID THEY ACTUALLY DID INVESTIGATE WHETHER THIS WAS A GOOD IDEA. AND SAID NO, THERE'S NO WARRANT FOR DOING THIS. AND SO, THIS WAS ALL ABOUT CREATING AN OPPORTUNITY TO CHANGE THE COUNTY COMMISSION THROUGH A SINGLE MEMBER, THROUGH TERM LIMITS, BUT THIS SALARY THING WAS JUST TO STICK IT IN THE THEIR EYE. THAT'S WHAT IT WAS. NO QUESTION ABOUT IT.

>> QUESTION? >> THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT STOOD OUT TO THE ME. IT DID SEEM ODD THAT THIS WAS A

SPECIFIED SALARY. >> IT'S NOT INDEXED. YOU NOTICE. SO THIS THING WENT TO EFFECT 20 YEARS AGO.

>> YEAH. >> IT'S NEVER BEEN INDEXED.

>> FOR BEING A FOUNDATIONAL DOCUMENT, I WAS SURPRISED THEY WOULD GO TO THAT GRAN YOU A LAYERITY TO STATE WHAT THE SALARY IS NOT JUST AN OVERALL GUIDANCE HOW THE SALARY SHOULD BE VOTED UPON OR DECIDED UPON, BUT AND THAT WAS THE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WAS RECOMMENDING THAT WE TAKE OUT TO MAKE IT MORE

OF A FOUNDATIONAL DOCUMENT. >> THAT WOULD BE GREAT.

>> THAT COULD. >> THEY NEED TO GET PAID ON A PAR WITH ALL THE OTHER CONSTITUTIONAL -- COUNTY COMMISSIONERS AROUND THE STATE. THEY NEED TO GET PAID LIKE THAT.

BECAUSE OF THE WORK THEY DO. >> WELL, IT ALSO.

>> IT ATTRACTS PEOPLE WHO WOULD OTHERWISE NOT RUN THEY ARE GOING TO BE FAIRLY COMPENSATED. SO YOU HAVE MY REASONS FOR THAT. BUT, THIS WAS JUST A MEAN SPIRITED KIND OF A THING AND THERE'S IF

[01:00:04]

NEED TO DO? >> WE DO.

>> I MEAN YOU NEED TO HAVE PUBLIC HEARINGS AND YOU NEED TO ADOPT A RESOLUTION IN TIME FOR CHRIS TO BE ABLE TO GET.

>> YEAH WE HAVE BEEN ADVISED. >> COMMISSION TO DO.

>> ABSOLUTELY. NO THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT BACK TO OUR REMEMBRANCE. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS FOR MARK?

>> GLEN. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH WE.

>> YOU ARE WELCOME. >> APPRECIATE TIME AND

EXPERTISE. >> THANK YOU.

>> 30 YEARS, I WOULD SAY. >> I DON'T THINK I AM AN

EXPERT. >> I THINK 30 YEARS GIVES YOU THE TITLE, EXPERT. ALL RIGHT. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION BEFORE WE

[2.  Discussion of Residency Requirement - Speaker]

NOW, WE ALSO HAVE PROPERLY NOTICED WITHIN THE AGENDA, THE TOPIC OF RECALL UNDER ARTICLE 3. WHICH COVERS OUR ELECTED CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICERS. I DON'T BELIEVE I NEED A MOTION BUT I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A CONSENSUS IS THIS COMMISSION AGREEABLE TO THEN I WILL ASK MR. CHAMBLISS IS THIS COMMISSION AGREEABLE FOR HIM SPEAKING ON THE SECTION OF RECALL BRIEFLY? ARE WE OKAY WITH THAT? OKAY. ANY OBJECTIONS?

>>IS HE OKAY WITH IT. >> THAT'S THE NEXT QUESTION.

THAT'S MY NEXT QUESTION BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THE COMISSION IS OKAY WITH IT BECAUSE IT WOULDN'T MATTER. OKAY. GREAT. I AM GOING DIRECT THAT QUESTIONS TO SUPERVISOR CHAMBLISS IN ADDITION TO THE RESIDENCE REQUIREMENT ARE YOU AGREEABLE TO SPEAKING ON RECALL WITH REGARDS TO THE CONTENT OF THAT SUBJECT AND THE CHARTER AND PERHAPS ANY DISCUSSION OF STATE STATUTE AS

IT MAY PERTAIN TO THAT? >> I WILL ANSWER ALL OF YOUR QUESTIONS TO THE BEST OF MY ABILITY.

>> UNDERSTOOD AND WE APPRECIATE YOUR FLEXIBILITY THERE. ALL RIGHT. I AM GOING TO GO AHEAD AND GIVE THE FLOOR TO OUR SUPERVISOR ELECTIONS CHRIS CHAMBLISS, THANK YOU, SIR.

>> SO WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO SPEAK ON RESIDENCY REQUIREMENTS FIRST?

>> YES, SIR. >> OKAY. SO, IN -- WELL, FIRST, I BEEN WITH THE ELECTIONS OFFICE FOR ABOUT 28 YEARS, THANK YOU MARK. AND I HAVE BEEN ELECTED AS SUPERVISOR OF ELECTIONS FOR 18 OF THOSE YEARS AS WELL. SO, I HAVE SEEN A LOT OF CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSIONS AND A LOT OF THE DISCUSSIONS OVER THE YEARS.

WITH REGARDS TO RESIDENCY, CURRENTLY, IN THE 20 COUNTIES THAT ARE CHARTER COUNTIES IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA, THERE ARE ONLY THREE THAT HAVE A RESIDENCY REQUIREMENT ABOVE STATE STATUTE.

NOW, WHEN I SAY STATE STATUTE, I AM RETURNING TO 99.021 WHICH IS THE OATH OF OFFICE TO WHERE YOU ARE ATTESTIG TO THE FACT THAT YOU ARE LEGALLY AVAILABLE TO SERVE AS AN ELECTED OFFICIAL IN WHATEVER THOSE CAPACITIES ARE. WITH REGARDS TO CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICERS. , WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE SHERIFF AND I WILL GO INTO THAT CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICERS, YOU MUST BE A REGISTERED VOTER. IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA. AND OF THE COUNTY TO WHICH YOU LIVE. IT GOES ONTO SAY IN THOSE OTHER CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICERS THAT IN THAT OATH, THAT HE YOU ARE ALSO TAKING AN OATH THAT YOU A REGISTERED VOTER WITHIN THE COUNTY. NOW, REFERRING TO THE SHERIFF, THE SHERIFF GOING BACK TO THE PEACE OFFICER DAYS. A SHERIFF WAS COVERED A WIDE VARIETY OF AREAS.

IN THE STATE TRAVELING FROM AREA TO AREA. SO THEY DO NOT HAVE THE

[01:05:07]

END. >> CHRIS, IS THERE ALSO A TORN GENERAL'S LEGAL OPINION ALSO ABOUT THE SHERIFF HAVING TO LIVE THAT REQUIREMENT THERE WAS AN ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OPINION? I

KNOW YOU MENTIONED. >> YES, THERE IS A -- AND HEO OPINION TO THAT EFFECT. THAT OF COURSE IS ONE OF THE ONES AND I INCLUDED IT IN SOME CORRESPONDENCE.

>> OKAY. >> BUT, YES, ALSO IN THAT AS

WELL. >> AND I DO HAVE A COPY OF THAT AG OPINION ANYONE HERE WHO WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THAT, I AM HAPPY TO PROVIDE THAT OBVIOUSLY NOW WE ARE IN THE SUNSHINE. SO LET ME

KNOW. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THAT

TOPIC? >> REGARD TO RESIDENCY? IN YOUR POSITION, OR IN YOUR DISCUSSIONS WITH YOUR FELLOW COLLEAGUES, THROUGHOUT THE STATE AND EXTENT YOU'VE HAD THEM, ANY DISCUSSION AS TO WHY SIX MONTHS WAS THE TERM THAT PEOPLE WENT WITH OR 183 DAYS BECAUSE MAYBE THEY HAD TO A LITTLE EXTRA DUVAL COUNTY, ANY REASON WHY IT WAS THAT RATHER THAN THREE YEAR OR FIVE

YEARS. >> I CAN ONLY POTENTIALLY OPINE GIVE YOU SOME OF MY THOUGHTS AND THESE ARE CLEARLY BASED ON MY

[01:10:01]

THAT'S THE ONLY ADVICE I COULD GIVE YOU ON THAT. AGAIN, I HAVE -- YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN AROUND THE BLOCK. I'VE LIVED IN CLAY COUNTY JUST ABOUT ALL MY LIFE EXCEPT FOR MY MILITARY AND COLLEGE CAREER, AND THAT'S THE ONLY ADVICE. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS WITH REGARDS TO THAT TOPIC? I'VE GOT ALL NIGHT.

>> SO [INAUDIBLE] >> THANK YOU, SIR FOR PROVIDING THE INSIGHT. I WAS THE COMMISSION THAT SUGGESTED LOOKING AT THIS. AND YOU KNOW IT WAS REALLY FROM A STANDPOINT OF HELPING EVERYONE UNDERSTAND WHERE WE ARE TODAY. AND I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT BECAUSE YOU KNOW, UNDERSTANDING THAT ALL OF YOUR CURRENT CONSTITUTIONALS ARE UNDER THE REQUIREMENT, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY, THAT IS NOT BROKE. YOU KNOW. SO THERE'S NO FIXING THERE. SO, BUT I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU FOR PROVIDING THE

INSIGHT. >> YOU KNOW I THINK IN ORDER -- RUNNING FOR OFFICE IS NOT FOR THE FAINT AT HEART. OKAY. AND I THINK IF ONE WHO IS GOING TO INVEST THEMSELVES IN THEIR COMMUNITY BY VIRTUE OF YOU ENG HERE, YOU KNOW THIS, BY VIRTUE OF INVESTING YOURSELF INTO COMMUNITY YOU HAVE THE RELATIONS. SO, WHY DOES THERE NEED TO BE A REQUIREMENT FOR YOU TO HAVE THOSE RELATIONS. AGAIN, SOMETIMES I MAY BE ACCUSED OF BEING TOO SIMPLE. BUT THAT'S MY HONEST BELIEVE. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS WITH REGARDS TO TERM? ALL RIGHT. WELL, MADAM IF I MAY MOVE ONTO YOU SECOND TOPIC THAT YOU ASKED ME TO RESEARCH.

>> THANK YOU. >> SO RECALL ELECTIONS, THERE WAS A QUESTION WITH REGARDS TO I BELIEVE THE TERMINOLOGY WAS TO STREAMLINE THE RECALL PROCESS. AGAIN, PLEASE, IT'S BEEN A MINUTE SINCE I WATCHED ALL OF YOUR DISCUSSIONS. AND I DO AT HOME. Y'ALL LOOK VERY GOOD, BY THE WAY. BUT WITH REGARDS TO RECALLS, THERE'S FLORIDA STATUTE 100.361. 100.361 WHILE IT IS TITLED MUNICIPAL RECALL, THE VERY FIRST LINE SAYS THIS FLORIDA STATUTE APPLIES TO MUNICIPALITIES AND CHARTER COUNTIES. OKAY. SO THAT'S THE REFERENCE THAT YOU WOULD USE. I WANT TO TELL YOU IN MY HISTORY, THERE'S ONLY BEEN APPROXIMATELY 50 RECALLS IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA. 50 RECALL PROCESSES IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA. OF WHICH, ONLY SEVEN WERE APPROVED BY THE VOTERS IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA. SEVEN OUT OF 50. FOUR WERE INVALIDATED BY COURTS. OKAY. FOUR INDIVIDUALS WHO WERE IN THE RECALL PROCESS ENDED UP RESIGNING THEIR POSITIO AND THE RECALL WAS NULL AND VOID AT THAT POINT IN TIME. 32 OF THE RECALLS DID NOT GO TO A VOTE. OKAY. ONLY ONE COUNTY COMMISSIONER IN THE

[01:15:06]

AND THAT WAS MIAMI-DADE. ALL RIGHT. ZERO. ZERO CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICERS HAVE BEEN RECALLED IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA. ZERO. ZERO HAVE BEEN PUT IN FOR A RECALL IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA. NOW, THE RECALL PROCESS IS VERY PAINFUL. IT SHOULD BE. , RIGHT? IF YOU ARE GOING TO TAKE THE PART OF RECALLING, REVERSING THE PEOPLE'S CHOICE, NEEDS TO BE DIFFICULT. THERE ARE SOME REQUIREMENTS TO RECALL. NUMBER ONE, YOU CAN'T RECALL AN INDIVIDUAL UNLESS THEY HAVE SERVED AT LEAST ONE FOURTH OF THEIR TERM. OKAY. AND THEN ONCE AN INDIVIDUAL IS RECALLED, THEY CAN'T RUN FOR ANOTHER ELECTED OFFICE FOR A MINIMUM OF TWO YEARS. AGAIN, I JUST WANT TO SHOW YOU THE GRAVITY OF WHAT THIS PROCESS IS. THERE'S ONLY SEVEN GROUNDS FOR RECALL. THOSE ARE MALFEASANCE, MISFEASANCE, NEGLECTIVE DUTY, DERELICTION OF DUTY, DRUNKENNESS, I WOULD ASSUME ON THE JOB. AND INCOMPETENCE. PERMANENT INABILITY TO PERFORM OFFICIAL DUTIES. AND LASTLY, CONVICTION OF A FELONY INVOLVING NOT JUST A FELONY, BUT INVOLVING MORAL TERP TUDE. THOSE ARE THE SEVEN REASONS. IN MY RESEARCH, HOWEVER, I AM NOT A LAWYER. I WOULD CERTAINLY LOOK TO GLEN FOR THIS, BUT I WANT TO READ THE NEXT TO THE LAST LINE IN THIS STATUTE AND SEE IF MR. TAYLOR AGREES WITH ME. IT IS THE INTENT OF THE LEGISLATURE THAT THE RECALL PROCEDURE PROVIDED IN THIS ACT SHALL BE UNIFORM STATEWIDE. THEREFORE, ALL MUNICIPAL CHARTER, AND SPECIAL LAW PROVISIONS, ALREADY MUNICIPAL CHARTER ALSO CHARTER COUNTIES, AND SPECIAL LAW PROVISIONS, WHICH ARE CONTRARY TO THE PROVISIONS AND 100.361, THE STATE STATUTE, ARE HEREBY REPEALED TO THE EXTENT OF THIS CONFLICT. SO, I BELIEVE THAT WHAT I JUST READ SAID THAT YOU CAN'T MAKE ANY CHANGES WITH REGARDS TO THE RECALL PROCESS THAT'S OUTLINED IN THIS STATUTE IN OUR CHARTER. AGAIN, I AM NOT AN ATTORNEY.

>> NOW I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT. >> OKAY. BUT I JUST WANTEDDED TO, BECAUSE I REALIZED YOUR TIME IS IMPORTANT. AND I REALIZED YOU GOT A LOT OF DISCUSSION. AND KIND OF LIKE, MR. SCRUBBY AND EVEN I HEARD YOU SAY, FROM TIME TO TIME, WE NEED TO FOCUS ON WHAT THE CHARTER DOES AND NOT WHAT IT DOES NOT DO. AND THAT, AGAIN, THAT'S MORE MY OPINION THAN ANYTHING ELSE BECAUSE I'VE NEVER HAD THE BLESSING OF BEING A PART OF THE CRC. ALTHOUGH, ONE DAY, SOME 30 YEARS FROM NOW WHEN I RETIRE, I PLAN TO APPLY.

>> THE TIME IS COMING. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT EDUCATION.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR SUPER VISOR CHAMBLISS ON EITHER TOPIC.

>> I DON'T HAVE QUESTIONS I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU. I ALWAYS ENJOY WHAT YOU BRING TO THE TABLE AND IT'S ALWAYS VERY INTUITIVE AND BRINGS A LOT TO UNDERSTANDING THE PROCESS SO I APPRECIATE YOU, CHRIS. AND IF YOU HAVE EVER BEEN A PART OF A RECALL, NOT AT RECALL RECOUNT, IT IS GO AND WATCH. WE HAVE A SEASON COMING UP NEXT YEAR HOPEFULLY WE DON'T HAVE THAT BUT THEY RUN STELLAR, STELLAR PROGRAM OVER THERE. CONGRATS.

>> THANK YOU, YOU ARE TOO KIND. AND I -- LET ME I APPLAUD Y'ALL.

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DIGRESS. >> BEFORE WE -- I -- RELEASE SUPERVISOR CHAMBLISS I WANT TO MAKE SURE HE HAS THE FREEDOM AND I KNOW YOU DO THAT, I YOU DON'T NEED ME TO TELL YOU, TO STAY HERE OR LEAVE, I RECOGNIZE YOU HAVE A VERY BUSY SCHEDULE.

BECAUSE WE HAVE SOME OLD BUSINESS BEFORE WE GET TO THE NEW BUSINESS. ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS BECAUSE HE MAY NOT BE HERE WHEN WE ACTUALLY GET TO ARTICLE 3. ANYTHING ELSE? ALL RIGHTY. SUPERVISOR CHAMBLISS THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.

YOU HAVE GIVEN US A LOT TO CHEW ON AND A VERY SOLID FOUNDATION

IN WHICH TO WORK. THANK YOU. >> I AM ONLY A PHONE CALL AWAY.

PLEASE, MAKE USE OF MY TIME GOD BLESS YOU ALL.

>> THANK YOU. >> ALL RIGHTY FANTASTIC. OKAY.

AT THIS TIME, I AM GOING TO GO AHEAD AND MOVING INTO PUBLIC COMMENT. I AM GOING TO OPEN IT FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. AT THIS TIME. ALL RIGHT. SEEING NO ONE JOLT TO THE BENCH HERE, INCIDENTAL GOING TO GO AHEAD AND CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT AND BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMISSION. PRESENTATIONS I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL PRESENTATIONS COMMISSION

[1.  Acceptance of Resignation from the Charter Review Commission - Alt. Mike Cella and Alt. Melissa Benes]

>> MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT MIKE CELL' AND MELISSA BENES

RECOMMENDATION. >> I HAVE PROPERLY MOTION CAN I

GET A SECOND. >> SECOND.

>> OKAY. HAVE A NUMBER OF SECONDS. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ANY OBJECTIONS TO THESE REQUESTS FOR RESIGNATIONS? PURELY FOR CONVENIENCE ON THEIR SAKE. HEARING NO OBJECTION ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF ACCEPTING THE POSITION SAY SAY.

>> AYE. >> ANY OBJECTIONS LIKEWISE

[2.  2025/26 Clay County Charter Review Commission Updated Roster]

>> ACCEPT IS THE UPDATED ROSTER. >> SECOND.

>> I HAVE A PROPERLY MOTIONED TO ACCEPT THIS UPDATED ROSTER AND I HAVE A SECOND ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION.

>> NO. >> ALL RIGHT. ANY OBJECTIONS? HEARING NONE ALL IN FAVOR OF THE UPDATED ROSTER, CAN DESIGNATE BY

SAYING AYE. >> AYE.

>> ANY OBJECTIONS LIKEWISE. UPDATED ROSTER MOTION CARRIES.

[3.  Approval of CRC Counsel Agreement]

THAT PER YOUR REQUEST. >> NO, IT WAS THE LETTER OF AGREEMENT PROVIDE BY MR. TAYLOR AND INCLUDES THE PROVISIONS THAT REQUIRED UNDER THE PURCHASING POLICY AND HERE FOR YOU TO

APPROVE IT. >> OKAY. FARMING FANTASTIC I AM GOING TO ASK FOR A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CRC AGREEMENT FOR

ATTORNEY GLEN TAYLOR. >> I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO

APPROVE THE AGREEMENT. >> I HAVE A MOTION CAN I HAVE A

SECOND. >> SECOND.

>> I'VE MOTION THAT HAS BEEN PROPERLY SECONDED, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ANY OKAY OKAYS TO THIS AGREEMENT ALL THOSE IN FAVOR INDICATE BY SAYING AYE. OBJECTIONS LUKE WISE MOTION

[01:25:01]

[4.  Charter Topic Suggestions]

TO HAVE YOU ON BOARD. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, COUNCIL.

>> MOVING ONTO NUMBER FOUR CHARTER TOPICS SUGGESTIONS. YOU SEE THEM IN THE OLD MINUTES. I DO HAVE A LIST THAT I WILL AFTER THIS MEETING EMAIL TO EVERYONE. THEY ARE REALLY LOOK I TOLD EVERYONE, THEY ARE BROKEN UP BY ARTICLE AND EVERYTHING IS I DID NOT FALL WITHIN THE CLEARLY DEFINED ARTICLES OF LISTED UNDER OTHER ITEMS AND YOU ALL HEARD ME HAVE THAT CONVERSATION WITH MR.

SCRUBBY ON THOSE. SO,. >> I DID HAVE A QUESTION, SO, I AM JUST SO I AM CLEAR WE ARE APPROVING MAKING A MOTION TO APPROVE ALL OF THESE OTHER ITEMS ON HERE AS WELL OR TO DISCUSS? BECAUSE, I MEAN I THINK IT'S BEEN CLEAR THAT A LOT OF THESE THAT WE SUGGESTED ARE NOT EVEN IN OUR PURVIEW. SO I IN MY OPINION I AM NOT COMFORTABLE MOVING FORWARD MAKING APPROVAL

OF THESE MOTIONS AT ALL. >> ABSOLUTELY AND I THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT UP. I HAD INTENDED TO JUST MOVE THAT TO THE SERIOUSLY COMMENT AT THE END BUT I THINK IT'S A GREAT OPPORTUNITY AND GOOD TIMING FOR US TO HAVE THE DISCUSSION RIGHT NOW IN FACT. SO, YES, WE WOULD BE APPROVING OFFICIALLY THE TOPICS SUGGESTIONS SO AS WE HEARD FROM THE MR. SCRABY MARIJUANA DISPENSARIES PUBLIC ROAD FUNDING GREEN SPACE REQUIREMENTS ADDITIONAL ASSISTANCE FOR COMMISSIONER.

LAND USE SLASH POLE AT THIS. >> BASED ON HIS OPINION HE BELIEVED THEY WERE OUTSIDE OF THE CHARTER. THE SCOPE OF THE CHARTER. NOW WE DO HAVE I THINK THE ABILITY AND THE FREEDOM TO HAVE THOSE DISCUSSIONS IF HE WE WANTED TO, HOWEVER TO -- TO BE RESPECTFUL OF EVERYONE'S TIME AND GETTING SOMETHING DONE HERE THAT CAN BE MOVED, DO WE WANT TO TAKE THE TIME TO HAVE DISCUSSIONS ON THOSE ITEMS WHICH BASED ON, AGAIN HIS DISCUSSIONS, WILL NOT OR CANNOT BE INCLUDED IN THE CHARTER?

>> IF I MAY. I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR FROM MY UNDERSTANDING OF HOW THIS IS PROCESS GOES. WE CAN ALWAYS BRING THIS UP FOR NEW DISCUSSION SO IF THERE'S SOMETHING ELSE THAT SOMEONE THINKS ABOUT ON THE COMMISSION, WE CAN ALWAYS BRING THAT BACK UP. SO IN MY OPINION, I DON'T THINK WE MAKE -- I THINK WE MAKE A MOTION TO DISCUSS WHAT WE ARE ALREADY DISCUSSING RIGHT NOW, AND THEN MOVE FORWARD FROM THERE FROM OUR NEXT MEETING. IF THAT

MAKES SENSE. >> SO YOU WANT TO MAKE A MOTION

-- >> I DON'T -- I AM BRINGING IT FOR DISCUSSION BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT

NOW. >> YEAH.

>> DISCUSSION. SO, MY OPINION IS THAT WE DO NOT DISCUSS WHAT THESE OTHER ITEMS HERE ON OUR AGENDA THAT WE HAVE IN FRONT O US. AND THAT WE FOCUS SOLELY ON THE ARTICLE SECTIONS ABOVE THE

OTHER IEMS IS WHERE I AM GOING. >> OKAY.

>> I HAVE A QUESTION AS FAR AS DISCUSS SOMETHING. WE ARE LOOKING AT RESIDENCY REQUIREMENTS, BUT AS EXPLAINED, THAT'S ALREADY DICTATED BY FLORIDA STATUTE YOUR CONSTITUTION. AND ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OPINION, AS WELL AS SUPERVISOR OF ELECTS COLLECTIVELY IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA'S OPINION AS WELL. SO THAT WOULD BE ONE THAT I WANT TO ALSO LOOK AT REMOVING AND I DON'T -- I KNOW WE HAD A DISCUSSION ABOUT MOVING THIS POSSIBLY OUT FURTHER FROM FOUR YEARS TO SIX, EIGHT OR 12 TO BE MORE IN LINE WITH CHARTER THAT DON'T WHERE THAT WOULD BE ON HERE AS WELL. MAYBE WE LOOK AT THIS AND MASSAGE IT SO WE CAN TAKE FOCUS ON THE TOPICS. BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT EVEN IF WE DO VOTE ON THIS, THAT WE DO HAVE A FREEDOM MOVING FORWARD WE SEE SOMETHING THAT IS VALID, AND WE HAVE A DISCUSSION TO BRING TO THAT THAT WE HAVE THAT ABILITY.

I THINK FIRST, IT WOULD BE APROPOS TO LOOK AT WHAT WE HAVE HERE AND SAY THESE NEED TO BE TAKEN OFF AFTER THE HISTORY LESSONS WE HAVE HAD TODAY AND INSIGHT WE HAVE HAD. THAT'S MY

TWO CENTS. >> YES, SO, THE CRC FREQUENCY, I BELIEVE BASED ON MY REVIEW, IS COVERED WITHIN ARTICLE 4. THE RESIDENCY I WOULD ASK THAT WE HOLD DISCUSSION BECAUSE THAT IS-- THAT IS UNDER NEW BUSINESS SO I DON'T WANT TO GO TOO FAR INTO DISCUSSION ON THAT TOPIC AT THIS TIME. SO, POTENTIALLY, THE

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FALL OUTSIDE OF THAT SCOPE. >> YEAH, I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO POSTPONE THE ITEMS THAT FALL OUTSIDE OF OUR SCOPE, AND THEN TO DISCUSS THE ITEMS THAT DO FALL WITHIN OUR SCOPE AND THEN ALSO INCLUDING THAT KEEPING IT OPEN TO NEW DISCUSSION AS WE MOVE FORWARD THROUGHOUT THE MONTHS.

>> ALL RIGHT. I HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR. CAN I HAVE A SECOND.

>> SECOND THAT. >> OKAY. I HAVE A MOTION THAT'S BEEN PROPERLY SECOND ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ANY SUSAN?

>> I DO WANT TO PUT ON THE RECORD IS THAT MR. SCRUBBY DID NOT SAY NO TO THE GREEN SPACE. SO, I WOULD LIKE TO KEEP THAT ON

THE BACK BURNER. >> UNDERSTOOD AND THE WAY THE MOTION WAS MADE THAT WAS MERELY POSTPONED BUT WE HAVE THE FREEDOM TO CALL IT UP IF NEED BE.

>> THANK YOU. >> AND.

>> FOR CLARIFICATION OF OUR MINUTES, WILL YOU SPECIFICALLY IDENTIFY WHICH ONES YOU ARE CONSIDERING NOT BE INCLUDING VERSUS INCLUDED AND I FORGOT THE THIRD CATEGORY. JUST WHAT GOES

INTO EACH CATEGORY. >> ABSOLUTELY. SO, AND I AM USING THE LIST THAT YOU SENT ME COURTNEY. AND LIKE I SAID, I AM GOING PROVIDE THIS LIST TO EVERYONE NOW THAT IS IN THE SUNSHINE. IT IS IN THE MINUTES? OKAY. OKAY. OKAY. GREAT. THIS ONE JUST -- IT ORGANIZES IT BY ARTICLE. OKAY. HOLD ON.

[INAUDIBLE] [INAUDIBLE] >> WE KNOW AS -- [INAUDIBLE]

>> SURE. >> CHAIR IF I MAY, THE MOTION HAS BANE PROVED. WE HAVE MADE THE MOTION AND WE HAVE MADE THE SECOND SO THE MOTION WE JUST NEED THE POINT OF CLARIFICATION FOR THE MINUTES IF I AM NOT MISTAKE EN.

>> ABSOLUTELY. AND I AM GOING TO GET TO THAT AND TO COURTNEY'S REQUEST FOR CLARIFICATION. SO, UNDERSTANDING THERE IS A MOTION THAT HAS BEEN SECONDED WE WERE AND FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THAT PARTICULAR MOTION. AND ANY ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION? ANY OBJECTIONS TO THIS MOTION ON THE FLOOR? LOOKING AROUND THE ROOM HEARING NONE, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION INDICATE BY SAY

AYE. >> AYE.

>> ALL THOSE IN FAVOR INDICATE BY SAYING THE SAME. MOTION CARE CHRIS. FOR POINT OF CLARIFICATION TO JOE AND COURTNEY'S REQUEST. HERE ARE THE TOPICS BY ARTICLE THAT FALL WITHIN THE CHARTER. ARTICLE 1 SECTION 1.5 CASINO GAMBLING THAT WAS REQUESTED BY MR. SALTER FOR POTENTIALLY MODERNIZING THE LANGUAGE. ARTICLE 2, WHICH COVERS ORGANIZATION OF COUNTY GOVERNMENT THAT WAS SECTION 2.2A COUNTY COMMISSION. THE SUBPARTS TO THAT NUMBER OF DISTRICTS AND SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICTS VERSUS COUNTY WIDE. SECTION 2.2, C, SALARIES AND OTHER COMPENSATION.

SECTION 2.2I, INITIATIVE, COUNTY INITIATIVE. SECTION 2.3-D IS AS IN DELTA COMMISSIONER AUDITOR. MOVING TO ARTICLE 3, ELECTED COUNTY CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICES. SECTION 3.1, RESIDENCY REQUIREMENT. SECTION 3.2, RECALL. ARTICLE 4, HOME RULE CHARTER TRANSITION AMENDMENTS REVIEW SEVERANCE EFFECTIVE DATE.

THE ONLY ONE I SEE SECTION 4.2B AND AMENDMENTS AND BY CHART REAR

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THOSE WERE ALL THE ITEMS OUTSIDE OF THE SCOPE BASED ON MR. SCRU -- SCORBBY'S GUIDANCE. ANY QUESTIONS? BILL.

>> [INAUDIBLE] I KNOW THERE'S --

>> ONE SED ROAD ENHANCEMENTS YOU MEAN PUBLIC ROADS FUNDING? I AM SORRY. PLEASE GET TO THE MIC, YEP.

>> OKAY. >> IS IT OBJECT? OKAY. WAY. TO THE GET IF CLARIFICATION ON THE ROAD.

>> PUBLIC ROADS FUNDING. >> YES, BECAUSE MY POINT OF THE LAST MEETING IS I KNOW THAT THERE ARE STATE ROADS THAT WE HAVE AND F DOT THEY HAVE TO PAY FOR THOSE THINGS. HOWEVER, ANY NEW DEVELOPMENTS THAT COME OFF OF ONE OF OUR COUNTY ROADS, FOR EXAMPLE, I AM GOING TO SUES HENLEY ROAD BECAUSE I WAS JUST DRIVING DOWN THAT ROAD. IF THERE'S NO MORE HOME PROJECTS COMING INTO PLAY, THEN THE ROADS MUST BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE THOSE FIRST BEFORE THE HOMES ARE BUILD BECAUSE WE ARE DOING EVERYTHING BACKWARDS. WE ARE BUILDING RESIDENTIAL AREAS. AND THEY ARE WE ARE COMING BACK IN AND PUTTING IN THE ROADS. I MEAN, IF YOU LOOK AT YEARS AGO BRANDONFIELD ROAD THAT'S A FEDERAL OR STATE THING THAT'S A GREAT EXAMPLE.

>> SO IF I COULD JUST KIND OF DIRECT YOU WHAT IS YOUR POINT OF CLAY PHYSICIAN BY A WHAT IS THE REQUEST.

>> MY REQUEST IS THAT THE COUNTY COMMISSIONER THAT WE CHANGE IN OUR CHARTER THAT WE HAVE SOMETHING WHERE THE COUNTY COMMISSIONER OR WE HAVE IN OUR CHARTER BASICALLY THAT ANYTHING KIND OF NEW DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE COMING INTO PLAY, THAT THE ROADS ARE BUILT FOR. SO I AM NOT SURE WHERE THAT FALLS.

CAPTIONERS TRANSITIONING ] THEY BUILD THE ROADS FIRST AND THEN THE DEVELOPMENTS THEN WE MAY BE ABLE TO ALLEVIATE THIS TRAFFIC.

>> I APPRECIATE THE COMMENTS. I'LL KEEP THAT WITHIN THE PUBLIC ROADS FUNDING. WOE HAVE POSTPONED THAT.

WE HAVE NOT KILLED IT OFF FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM, SO IT DOES REMAIN ON THE TOPICS OF POTENTIAL DISCUSSION. I APPRECIATE YOU RAISING THAT.

>> IF I MAY, JUST A CLARIFICATION ON THE MOTION THAT WAS PUT FORTH. EVERYTHING WAS POSTPONED SO THAT DOESN'T MEAN IT'S GONE FOREVER.

FOR ME AND THE ANOTHERS IT'S GOOD TO HAVE GUIDANCE OF WHAT WE'LL BE DISCUSSING RATHER THAN A LONG LIST THAT WE MAY NOT EVEN GET TO, OKAY.

SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE CAN ALWAYS BRING THAT UP AND MOVE FORWARD FASTER THAN WE ANTICIPATE GOING THROUGH THESE THAT WE PUT FORTH. SO THAT WAS THE PURPOSE OF THE MOTION THAT I PUT FORTH WAS NOT TO GET RID OF IT, BUT JUST TO HAVE THE SOLE FOCUS AND MISSION ON WHAT WE'RE DOING ON THIS

CHARTER. >> ABSOLUTELY.

THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WAS ACHIEVED THROUGH THAT MISSION AND NO, I'M NOT RENEWING THOSE OTHER ITEMS WITHOUT BRINGING IT FIRST TO THE COMMISSION FOR DISCUSSION, IF THEY WOULD LIKE TO OR A MOTION TO REMOVE IT FROM OUR DISCUSSION TOPIC, BUT THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION. OKAY.

[1.  Article I Creation, Powers and Ordinances of Home Rule Charter Government]

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MR. SALTER, YOU BROUGHT THIS UP AS A TOPIC FOR DISCUSSION AND BASED ON MY DISCUSSIONS WITH MY ATTORNEY, BUT BECAUSE YOU RAISED IT I'LL LEAVE TO YOU TO START OFF THE DISCUSSION IF YOU'D LIKE FOR HIM TO GO OVER HIS RESEARCH. I'LL LEAVE IT TO YOU, SO PLEASE. IF WE WANT TO BEGIN WITH THE RESEARCH FIRST, THAT'S FINE BECAUSE WE HAD A DISCUSSION PRIOR TO, AND IT MAY BE SOMETHING THAT I BELIEVE CERTAINLY FALLS WITHIN THE PURVIEW, BUT ALSO IS IN MY BELIEF, PREEMPTED BY STATE LAW AND WILL HOPEFULLY SAVE AND BE RESPECTFUL OF EVERYONE'S TIME HERE.

>> OKAY, MR. TAYLOR, I KNOW YOU'VE DONE AN EXTENSIVE AMOUNT OF RESEARCH.

WOULD YOU MIND EDUCATING US ON THE RESEARCH THAT YOU'VE DONE OR THE OPINIONS THAT YOU'VE MADE BASED ON THAT RESEARCH?

>> Y MA'AM. I'D BE HAPPY TO.

IT'S REALLY A VERY BROAD TOPIC AND SO I LOOKED AT THE TRIBAL COMPACT PASSED IN 2021 WHICH WAS A TRIBAL DOCUMENT AND A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF LOBBYING INVOLVED AS YOU CAN IMAGINE WITH THE STATE STATUTES THAT WERE ENACTED AT THE SAME TIME AND THETHE BILL ANALYSIS AND THE SENATE BILL ANALYSIS AND I TALKED DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY WITH SOME OF OUR SENATOR BRADLEY, REPRESENTATIVE SAP AND SOME OTHER ATTORNEYS WHO WERE INVOLVED IN THIS PROCESS BACK AT THE TIME THAT IT WAS PASSED IN 2021. IT'S A GREAT SUGGESTION. I WOULD SUGGEST TO THE COMMISSION THAT IT'S REALLY A VERY LARGE ENDEAVOR, AND THE BUDGET FOR ME, MAYBE YOU WANT TO HELP WITH MY CHILDREN'S EDUCATION BUT THE BUDGET IS 6500 FOR THE WOEL COMMISSION AND THE PROJECT IS THROUGH THE AMENDMENTS.

SO THAT AND GIVEN THE SCOPE OF THE THINGS WE HAVE, I WOULD SAY IT'S BEYOND THE SCOPE OF WHAT WE'RE INTENDING TO TRY TO ACCOMPLISH HERE.

>> I TOOK A QUICK GANDER THROUGH THE BILL ANALYSIS, AS WELL. THERE IS A LOT OF LEGISLATION THAT WENT INTO THAT AND A LOT OF TOES THAT I WOULD BE VERY WEARY OF STEPPING ON WITH REGARD TO YOUR REQUEST AS I REMEMBER IT TO MODERNIZE THAT LANGUAGE AND I CERTAINLY DON'T WANT TO PUT THE COUNTY OR THE COMMISSIONERS IN ANY TYPE OF HOT WATER THEY WOULD TRY TO PEDDLE OUT OF, BUT IT'S YOUR TOPIC AND I WANT TO ALLOW YOU THE ROOM TO EXPAND ON YOUR REQUEST TO MODERNIZE IT OR LET US KNOW WHERE YOU'D LIKE TO TAKE THIS.

>> SURE, YEAH. SO, YEAH, IN LIEU OF THAT, I THINK THE ENTIRE THING WAS PREEMPTED AND MY ENTIRE ARGUMENT WAS TO ELIMINATE IT IN THE FIRST PLACE BECAUSE IT WAS PREEMPTED BY STATE LAW BASED ON THE RESEARCH. TO SAVE EVERYONE'S TIME I WOULD LIKE TO RETRACT IT AT THIS TIME.

>> I WILL GO AHEAD AND ACCEPT A MOTION IF YOU WOULD MAKE A MOTION TO REMOVE THAT? SURE.

I WOULD LIKE TO REMOVE 1.5 AS A TOPIC

OF DISCUSSION. >> I HAVE A MOTION. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION

INDICATE BY SAYING AYE. >> AYE.

>> ALL THOSE -- ANY OBJECTIONS INDICATE BY SAYING SAME. MOTION CARRIES. WE'LL MOVE SECTION 1.5 FROM DISCUSSION.

THANK YOU, MR. TAYLOR FOR YOUR RESEARCH ON THAT AND THANK

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LET'S START WITH THE FIRST ONE 3. 1 ELECTED COUNTY CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICERS. THIS HAS TO DO WITH THE RESIDENCY REQUIREMENTS. NOW WE HEARD, THERE'S A RESIDENCY, BUT IT'S JUST TO BE WITHIN THE COUNTY AND TO BE SO IN THE TIME YOU TAKE THE OFFICE, IF I RECALL, THERE IS NO TERM, AND MR. CHAMBLISS, THERE ARE 183 DAYS AND THE OTHER TWO ARE SIX MONTHS. SO I'LL OPEN TO UP FOR DISCUSSION FOR WHAT IT WOULD BE LIKE TO CONSIDER IF

ANY. >> CHAIR,

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IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT WHAT'S THE OUTCOME THAT WE'RE WANTING? THE WAY THAT IT'S WRITTEN NOW THEY HAVE TO BE IN THE COUNTY EXCEPT WITHIN THE COUNTY BY THE TIME THEY TAKE OFFICE. THAT'S HOW IT'S WRITTEN.

AGAIN, DO WE WANT TO MUDDY THE WATERS AND WHAT'S THE PURPOSE OF MUDDYING THE WATERS? I AGREE WITH THAT. IN LIGHT OF THE EDUCATION WE GOT HERE TONIGHT I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO REMOVE IT FROM

DISCUSSION. >> I SECOND.

>> AYE.

>> ALL THOSE OPPOSED?

>> MOVING ON TO SECTION 3.2. RECALL.

BEFORE I OPEN IT UP, HOLD ON JUST ONE MOMENT HERE.

WHAT IS IN THE CHARTER JUST SO WE HAVE A GOOD PLACE TO START IN EDUCATION TO WHAT WE RECEIVED BY SUPERVISOR CHAMBLISS.

EACH OF THE CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICES DESCRIBED IN 3. 1 SHALL BE SUBJECT TO RECALL IN THE SAME MANNER UNDER THE SAME PROCEDURES AND FOR THE SAME GROUNDS AS ARE PROVIDED BY GENERAL LAW FOR THE MEMBERS OF THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS. PERIOD. SO THAT IS WHAT IT STATES IN THERE AND THE GENERAL LAW, AGAIN, SUPERVISOR CHAMBLISS WAS 103.361, AND I TELL YOU, IT'S EXTENSIVE. IT'S SEVEN, EIGHT PAGES LONG AND IT'S -- IT GOES AMAZING PROCEDURE LET ALONE RECALL ONE.

I WILL OPEN IT UP FOR DISCUSSION AND ASK WOULD THIS COMMISSION LIKE TO DO?

>> I THINK BACK TO THE EDUCATION THAT WE GOT TONIGHT AND THE HISTORY LESSON WHICH WAS WONDERFUL, THE PROCEDURES ARE IN PLACE. I'M ASKING TO WHAT END ARE WE PUTTING THIS ON HERE? IT IS A VERY TIME- CONSUMING ISSUE. I BELIEVE IT WOULD REALLY COST US QUITE A BIT OF CHA-CHING. I ADORE YOU, AND I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO PULL

IT. >> I HAVE MULTIPLE SECONDS. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FIFER INDICATE BY

SAYING AYE. >> AYE.

>> I DIDN'T HEAR YOU.

IN AYE. >> RACHEL? AYE. ALL THOSE THAT OBJECT TO IT INDICATE BY SAYING SAME.

HEARING NONE.

MOEGS CARRIES. WE'LL GO AHEAD AND REMOVE SECTION 3. 2 RECALL FROM FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS COMMISSION. ALL RIGHT.

SO THAT MEANS ARTICLE 2 ITEMS, JUST KIND OF LOOKING AHEAD.

ACTUALLY, I'M GOING TO SAVE THAT FOR CRC COMMENTS. I WILL PUT A PIN ON THAT FOR JUST A MINUTE.

IT IS NOW TIME FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. I WILL GO AHEAD AND OPEN IT UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.

ANYONE OUT THERE LIKE TO STEP UP? STEP UP TO THE PLATE.

>> HELLO, MY NAME IS HELENA CAMMIER.

THANK YOU FOR ALL THAT YOU'RE DOING. I KNOW YOU HEARD ABOUT THE ASSISTANT FOR THE COMMISSIONERS, BUT I HOPE THAT WHEN THE DISCUSSION DOES COME ABOUT THE -- THEIR PAY AND BEING ABLE TO GET THAT WORKED OUT THAT WE CAN COME UP WITH

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AGAIN. >> THANK YOU, HELENA, APPRECIATE THAT. ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC? SEEING AND HEARING NONE. I'LL GO AHEAD AND CLOSE

[CRC MEMBER COMMENTS]

IT IS NOW TIME FOR CRC MEMBER COMMENTS.

I WILL GO AHEAD AND OPEN IT UP. MY ONLY REQUEST.

WE DON'T HAVE TO RAISE HANDS. I ASK THAT IF THERE IS SOMEONE TALKING THAT FOR THOSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT PLEASE WAIT UNTIL THE OTHER PERSON HAS COMPLETELY FINISHED SPEAKING OUT OF COURTESY. THANK YOU.

>> ANY COMMENT?

>> I HAVE ONE. I DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO ASK HIM AND DOING THE RESEARCH BETWEEN THE CHARTER AND NON- CHARTER, AND HE MENTIONED THE FACT THAT CHARTER COUNTIES CAN DO SOMETHING UNIQUE THAT NON- CHARTER COUNTIES CAN, AND THE COUNTY CHARTERS CAN PROVIDE UTILITY TAX LEVIED IN UNINCORPORATED AREAS AND I SHOULD HAVE ASKED THEM AND IS THAT A LEGISLATIVE ITEM OR A POLICY ITEM OR IS IT SOMETHING THAT THEY SHOULD CONSIDER. IT'S SOMETHING TO CONSIDER WHETHER TO -- HE SAID THAT THE COUNTY HAS ONE.

I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE KNOWS EXACTLY WHAT THAT IS AND WHETHER THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE CHARTER COMMISSION SHOULD

CONSIDER. >> WELL, SINCE WE HAVE NOT FORECLOSED ON THE POSSIBILITY OF HAVING TIME TO RAISE ADDITIONAL ITEMS THAT ARE NOT COVERED ON OUR LIST THAT WE APPROVED.

SO I WOULD RECOMMEND MAKING A NOTE OF THAT AS A POTENTIAL TOPIC WHEN WE HAVE EXHAUSTED OUR REVIEW OF THOSE TOPICS THAT ARE WITHIN THE CHARTER AND WE STILL HAVE TIME, LET'S GO AHEAD AND RAISE IT AND SEE IF WE HAVE A MOTION TO DISCUSS IT.

>> OKAY. I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE CONSIDER THE TOPIC OF MUNICIPAL UTILITY TAXES AS A POSSIBLE AGENDA ITEM IN THE FUTURE IF WE HAVE SUFFICIENT TIME TO DO THAT.

>> I HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR. DO I HAVE A SECOND?

>> I SECOND THAT.

>> I HAVE A MOTION THAT HAS BEEN PROPERLY SECONDED. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?

>> IS A MOTION NEEDED FOR THAT? I DON'T -- I'M NOT SURE WE NEED A MOTION AT THIS TIME. I JUST THINK IT'S UNNECESSARY.

NOT SAYING THAT WHAT YOU BROUGHT UP IS UNNECESSARY, AND I'M SAYING THE MOTION RIGHT NOW, I DON'T KNOW MR. TAYLOR --

>> JUST TO ADD, TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION, IF IT IS A TOPIC THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO ADD TO OUR PROPOSED ITEMS TO DISCUSS I WOULD SAY IT DOES NEED A MOTION TO GET ON THAT LIST.

ALL RIGHT. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? SUSAN?

>> I WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE THAT WE PICK TWO THINGS OFF OF THIS LIST.

>> HOLD ON JUST ONE MOMENT WITH REGARD TO THAT REQUEST. WE DO HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR THAT'S BEEN SECONDED.

>> NO, I'M GOOD.

>> WE ARE IN THE DISCUSSION PHASE OF THAT MOTION.

ANY ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR INDICATE BY SAYING AYE.

>> AYE. >> AYE.

? ALL THOSE OPPOSED TO MR. MUSTER'S MOTION INDICATE BY SAYING SAME.

MOTION CARRIES. THAT WILL GO ON TO THE LIST OF THE POTENTIAL ITEMS TO DISCUSS.

OKAY. NOW THAT WE'VE HANDLED THAT, SUSAN, PLEASE GO AHEAD.

>> BECAUSE WE DO HAVE A FEW THINGS THAT WE CAN BE DISCUSSING I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO JUST PICK TWO THINGS AND LET'S JUST WORK ON THOSE? CAN WE TAKE A VOTE ON THE TWO THINGS THAT WE WANT TO DISCUSS THAT WE KNOW HAVE A CHANCE OF PASSING?

>> I CAN'T GUARANTEE IT WILL PASS OR NOT, HOWEVER, AT THE LAST MEETING THE GOAL AND THE CONSENSUS WAS TO FOLLOW THE ORDER OF THE CHARTER IN TERMS OF THE ARTIC LES OF DISCUSSION. I WENT OUT OF ORDER JUST BECAUSE ARTICLE TWO WOULD TAKE A MINIMUM OF TWO MEETING TO DISCUSS ALL OF THOSE ARTICLE 2 TOPICS.

SO I WENT WITH ARTICLE 1 AND ARTICLE 3.

SO OUR NEXT TWO MEETINGS WILL BE STRICTLY ARTICLE 2 TOPICS BECAUSE WE'RE GOING IN ORDER.

>> THANK YOU.

>> NOW I AM GOING TO TELL EVERYONE BASED ON MY LIST.

EVERYONE WILL GET THIS LIST AND IT'S ORGANIZED BY ARTICLE.

I HAVE 2. 2A FOR THE COUNTY

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MY VISION FOR THE NEXT MEETING WHICH WOULD BE IN JANUARY WOULD COVER 2. 2I INITIATIVE AND THOSE ARE THE MEMBER INITIATIVES, COUNTY INITIATIVES AND THEN SECTION 2. 3D AS IN DELTA, COMMISSION AUDITOR? LOOK I SAID, 30 MINUTES AND 30 MINUTES OF DISCUSSION AND THAT'S TWO HOURS.

SO I THINK THAT'S A GOOD TIMEFRAME FOR MEETING.

SO THAT'S MY GOAL. ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT APPROACH? I KNOW WE'VE APPROVED IT, BUT I WANT TO MACK MAKE SURE EVERYONE IS STILL OKAY WITH THAT. BY CONSENSUS HEARING NO OBJECTS WE WILL GO AHEAD AND MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT APPROACH.

I DO ASK FOR A LITTLE BIT OF FLEXIBILITY. LET'S SAY SOME SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS FOR SAY, THE COMMISSION AUDITOR CAN MAYBE COME IN DECEMBER AND MAYBE NOT JANUARY.

I JUST ASK FOR FLEXIBILITY TO SWITCH AS NEEDED BASED ON AVAILABLE AVAILABILITY OF THOSE FOLKS BECAUSE WE DO NEED THEM.

SO ANY FURTHER COMMENTS FOR CRC BEFORE A MAKE A MOTION TO

ADJOURN. >> I APOLOGIZE, FOR CLARIFICATION, IS IT APROPOS TO BRING A CLERK OF COURT, AS WELL? IS THAT THE OBJECTIVE? I APOLOGIZE.

>> GOOD QUESTION.

ABSOLUTELY. I APPRECIATE THE QUESTION AND I WELCOME ANY QUESTIONS FROM MEMBERS OF THIS COMMISSION. YES, MY GOAL IS TO REQUEST TARA GREEN TO DISCUSS HER ROLE AND AUDITOR FOR THE COUNTY.

>> ALSO ON THE SALARIES AND COMPENSATION, I DID REACH OUTOUT -- AND FIND OUT SOME INFORMATION ABOUT HOW MANY TIMES IT'S BEEN PUT ON THE BALLOT AND HOW MANY TIMES THAT'S BEEN DISCUSSED HERE.

IF YOU GUYS COULD REACH OUT TO -- I DON'T KNOW -- I AM SO SORRY TO PUT MORE ON YOU, BUT I THINK THAT'S A GOOD IDEA FOR HISTORY LESSONS BEFORE WE GET INTO THAT TOPIC AND WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. JUST A SUGGESTION AND THEY'RE A GREAT RESOURCE, AND LAST MEETING WE REQUESTED WHAT DID THAT LANGUAGE LOOK LIKE ON THE BALLOT.

>> ABSOLUTELY. I WILL GO AHEAD AND REQUEST. COURTNEY?

>> HOLD ON ONE SECOND. THE SALARIES AND COMPENSATION.

CURRENTLY, THAT IS SLATED FOR DECEMBER 15TH'S MEETING.

IF YOU HAD THE BALLOT LANGUAGE THAT WOULD BE GREAT TO GET TO US PRIOR TO THAT MEETING.

>> PERFECT. FANTASTIC. ANY FURTHER COMMENTS?

>> YEAH. I JUST WANT TO THANK OUR GUEST SPEAKERS THAT WE HAD COME IN TODAY. I KNOW IT HELPED ME AS I WAS GATHERING MY RESEARCH BEFORE TONIGHT'S MEETING.

I BEFORE IT HELPED SOLIDIFY SOME OF THE RESEARCH THAT I GATHERED, AND THEN I WOULD ALSO, JUST FOR THE PUBLIC'S SAKE AND FOR ME, WE DON'T ALWAYS HAVE TO CHANGE THE CHARTER. SO WE DON'T ALWAYS HAVE TO PUT SOMETHING ON THE BALLOT. A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, THE HEAVY TOPIC, I THINK THAT'S BEING DISCUSSED BETWEEN SOME OF OUR -- SOME OF THE COMMISSIONERS UP HERE IS SALARIES. AGAIN, LIKE MISS JET SAID, I WOULD JUST ENCOURAGE YOU GUYS TO LOOK BACK AT THE PRIOR AMENDMENT ON THAT AND ASK OUR COMMISSIONERS THAT APPOINTED US TO THIS COMMISSION, AS WELL FOR FEEDBACK AND POTENTIALLY EVEN GUIDANCE ON THAT, AS WELL.

AGAIN, I WILL JUST EMPHASIZE THAT. WE DON'T HAVE TO COME OUT OF THIS CHARTER AND PUT SOMETHING ON THE BALLOT. SO --

>> THANK YOU, MR. MITCHELL. WITH REGARDS TO OUR NEXT MEETING AND THOSE TOPICS, COURTNEY AND COUPLE OF THE SUMMARY ÚREPORTS MEETINGS, AND I THINK THEY PROVIDE A

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I BELIEVE THE LAST TOPIC THEY DID BRING UP SALARIES.

I DON'T KNOW IF THE CRC BEFORE THAT BROUGHT UP SALARIES, BUT TO THE EXTENT THEY DID, CAN YOU INCLUDE THE ASSEMBLY REPORTS FROM OUR AGENDA.

THAT WOULD BE GREAT.

THANK YOU. ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS BEFORE WE ADJOURN? SEEING NONE, I WILL ACCEPT A MOAG MOTION FOR ADJOURNMENT.

>> I'M SORRY?

>> I DID TO THE POINT LAST TIME WE MET WONDERED HOW THE WORDING WAS WHEN IT WAS ON THE BALLOT. I THINK THAT THAT MATTERS A LOT WHEN YOU'RE READING WHAT YOU'RE VOTING FOR AND HOW YOU'RE GOING TO VOTE, SEEING HOW IT WAS WORDED BEFORE SO WE CAN DISCUSS HOW WE WOULD ADJUST THE WORD OTHER IN THEFUTURE.

>> ABSOLUTELY. AND I KNOW THE REQUEST HAS BEEN SENT TO COURTNEY TO HAVE THE LAST ONE, TWO, BALLOTS, HOWEVER MANY THERE HAVE BEEN BE PROVIDED TO US FOR THE NEXT MEETING BECAUSE THAT WILL BE A TOPIC.

I ALSO, STEVE ANDERSON PROVIDED ME A VERY HELPFUL DOCUMENT WHICH IS THE TALLAHASSEE CITY CHARTER AMENDMENT AND THEY PASSED AN AMENDMENT FOR THE COMMISSIONER PAY, AND IT HAS THE WORDING OF WHAT WAS IN THAT AMENDMENT.

SO I'M GOING TO GIVE A COPY OF THIS TO COURTNEY AND TERESA AND ASK THAT THEY PROVIDE THAT IN OUR PACKET FOR NEXT MONTH'S MEETING SO WE CAN ALL TAKE THE TIME TO REVIEW THAT.

MR. ANDERSON, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR TAKING THE TIME TO PULL THIS. I THINK THIS WILL BE SOME GREAT EDUCATIONAL MATERIALS FOR US TO REVIEW AND HELP BUILD SHOULD WE DESIRE O MOVE FORWARD IN THAT REGARD.

ALL RIGHTY. THANK YOU SO MUCH.

DEBBIE, ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS? THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT. ONE LAST CALL BEFORE ADJOURNMENT. ALL RIGHT. THE NEXT MEETING IS DECEMBER 15TH, 2025, 5:00, SAME TIME. I WILL ACCEPT A MOTION TO ADJOURN. I'M SORRY? DID YOUR MAAD MEETINGS, WERE THEY MOVED?

>> OKAY. SO LET ME ASK -- BECAUSE WE ARE -- 2026 IS FAST APPROACHING. SO DOES THE THIRD MONDAY AT 5:00 STILL WORK FOR EVERYONE? YEAH -- I -- THEY'RE BOTH HOLIDAYS. SO BASED ON THE DATES THAT I HAVE HERE AND THESE ARE THE DATES THE ROOMS ARE AVAILABLE, CORRECT? AT JANUARY FOR STARTERS HERE.

I HAVE THE 15TH AND LET ME -- 12TH, BUT --

>> I HAVE MADD HERE.

>> YOU CAN MOVE THEM? OKAY. OKAY.

WELL, LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT CALENDARS.

I'M PULLING MINE UP AT THE MOMENT.

ALL RIGHT. SO IT'S THE SECOND MONDAY IN JANUARY. DOES THAT WORK FOR EVERYONE? OKAY. THAT WORKS FOR ME. THE 12TH. YEAH. 5:00, SAME TIME.

OKAY. DO WE ALL HAVE AN AGREEMENT FOR THE 12TH? IT LOOKS LIKE IT.

ALL RIGHT. SO OUR NEXT MEETING FOR JANUARY WILL BE JANUARY 12T H, 2026.

OH, MY GOODNESS.

5:00 P.M. LET'S TAKE A QUICK LOOK AT FEBRUARY. APPARENTLY, THE 16TH IS A HOLIDAY. SO LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT THE 9T H. I CAN'T DO THE 9TH.

I HAVE ONE NO FOR THE 9TH. DOES THAT WORK FOR EVERYONE ELSE? BECAUSE THE NEXT DAY WOULD BE THE 18TH WHICH IS A WEDNESDAY. THOSE ARE A LITTLE -- IS IT CLAY DAY? THAT'S DEFINITELY NOT HAPPENING.

IS THE 9TH -- THAT'S A NO FOR YOU? WE JUST HAVE TWO, AND WE CAN STILL, I BELIEVE, HAVE A QUORUM EVEN WITH TWO OUT. THE OTHER -- THE ONLY OTHER DATES THAT I HAVE HERE IS THE 23RD, 25TH AND 26TH.

>> THE 23RD. IT'S THE FOURTH MONDAY, I THINK. AT 7:00 -- WILL THERE

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>> OKAY. SO THE -- EVERYONE RAISE THEIR HAND FOR THE 9 TH. WHO IS IN FAVOR OF THE 9 TH? WHO IS IN FAVOR OF THE 23RD.

>> THE 9TH OUTWEIGHS THE 23RD. LET'S MOVE IT TO FEBRUARY 9TH.

IT SOUNDS LIKE WE WILL HAVE A MAJORITY STILL.

5:00 P.M. AND IT LOOKS LIKE MARCH 16TH IS OUR REGULAR DATE AND THAT WORKS, AND WE SHOULD BE ON SCHEDULE MOVING FORWARD.

ALL RIGHT. NOW THAT WE HAVE OUR CALENDARS ALREADY SET THROUGH MARCH I'LL GO AHEAD AND ACCEPT THAT MOTION FOR ADJOURNMENT. SECOND? ALL RIGHT. PERFECT. AVE A MOTION AND IT'S BEEN SECONDED.

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