[CALL TO ORDER] [00:02:29] COMMISSIONER: GOOD AFTERNOON, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO JOIN US PLEASE STAND. TODAY AS A SALUTE TO VETERAN'S DAY WHICH IS COMING UP ON NOVEMBER 11TH OF COURSE, WE HAVE A SPECIAL PRESENTATION BFORE OUR MEETING BEGINS THIS AFTERNOON. WE'LL HAVE THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, THE NATIONAL ANTHEM AND A SPECIAL FLAG FOLDING CEREMONY. SO, WHILE WE'RE APPRECIATIVE OF THE FACT YOU COULD JOIN US TODAY, IT SHOULD BE A REWARDING START TO OUR DAY. FIRST, I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE OUR COMMISSIONER WAYNE BOLLA TO SAY OUR INVOCATION. COMMISSIONER BOLLA: GOD OF OUR FATHERS, PLEASE GIVE US THE WISDOM TO KNOW YOUR WILL AND THE COURAGE TO CARRY IT OUT HERE ON EARTH. AMEN. CHAIRMAN CELLA: LIKE TO DIRECT YOUR ATTENTION TO THE BACK CORNER OF THE BOARD ROOM FOR THE PRESENTATION OF THE COLORS TODAY. AND THE BLACK CREEK YOUNG MARINES WILL PARADE THE COLORS. AT THIS TIME I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE A CLAY COUNTY VETERAN TO LEAD US IN THE PLEDGE. PLEASE WELCOME GUNNERY SERGEANT TRAY FAGAN, US MARINE CORPS. A KEYSTONE HEIGHTS RESIDENT SERVED 17 YEARS IN THE MARINES AND WAS DEPLOYED MULTIPLE TIMES AS A SPECIAL OPERATOR AND SNIPER. SENATOR FAGAN, THE FLOOR IS YOURS. SPEAKER: THANK YOU SIR. THANK YOU EVERYBODY FOR COMING TODAY. FIRST OFF, I'D LIKE TO THANK GOD, MY WIFE LAUREN, AND I HAVE SOME PERSONAL GUESTS IN -- SPECIAL GUESTS IN THE AUDIENCE, MY GRANDFATHER BUTCH AND BETTY. BUTCH WAS A VETERAN HIMSELF IN THE NAVY. REAL BRIEFLY, I WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS OPERATION BARNABUS. THIS ORGANIZATION -- YOU CAN PUT YOUR HANDS DOWN FOR ONE SECOND [LAUGHTER] SORRY ABOUT THAT. OPERATION BARNABUS. WE'RE A LOCAL NONPROFIT. WE HELP VETERANS AND FIRST RESPONDERS. WE WORK CLOSELY WITH THE VETERAN SERVICE OFFICER KIM AND HELPING VETERANS AND FIRST RESPONDERS STRUGGLING FROM ROCK BOTTOM TRYING TO GIVE THEM PURPOSE, PASSION AND GET THEM BACK ON THEIR FEET. WHAT'S AMAZING ABOUT OUR ORGANIZATION IS WE'RE A ONE TO ONE MENTORSHIP. AND WE HELP THESE FOLKS NOT ONLY FIND A JOB, GET [00:05:03] HOUSING, BUT GET THEM BACK ON THEIR FEET, GIVE THEM FINANCE CLASSES AND WORK THROUGH MULTIPLE LOCAL RESOURCES TO GET THESE PEOPLE BACK INTO WORKING SOCIETY. WHAT'S AMAZING ABOUT TODAY IS FIVE YEARS AGO I MYSELF WAS IN INPATIENT TREATMENT FOR SUBSTANCE ABUSE AND PTSD. SO, TO SIT HERE AND SAY THAT I'M BLESSED TO BE HERE STANDING AMONGST YOU ALL, IT IS TRULY A BLESSING. WITH THAT, WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND KICKOFF THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE ALLEGIANCE]. CHAIRMAN CELLA: LADIES AND GENTLEMEN WE REMIND TO YOU MAINTAIN YOUR STANDING POSITION UNTIL THE COLORS ARE RETIRED. FOLLOWING THE SINGING OF THE NATIONAL ANTHEM BY THE YOUTH SERGEANT OF THE BLACK CREEK YOUNG MARINES SNOOT OH OH SAY CAN YOU SEE. WHOSE BROAD STRIPES AND BRIGHT STARS THROUGH THE PERILOUS FIGHT. ORE THE RAMPARTS WE WATCHED WERE SO GALLANTLY STREAMING. AND THE ROCKETS RED FLARE. THE BOMBS BURSTING IN AIR GAVE PROOF THROUGH THE NIGHT THAT OUR FLAG WAS STILL THERE. OH SAY DOES THAT STAR SPANGLED BANNER YET WA WAVE. FOR THE LAND OF THE FREE AND THE HOME OF THE BRAVE. [MUSIC] [APPLAUSE] CHAIRMAN CELLA: YOU MAY POST THE COLORS. AT THIS TIME I'D LIKE TO TURN THINGS OVER TO OUR COUNTY MANAGER HOWARD WATERMAKER. SPEAKER: THANK YOU. LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, PLEASE HAVE YOUR SEATS. IN JUST A MOMENT HERE YOU ARE GOING TO SEE A PRESENTATION OF OLD GLORY. IT IS MY HONOR AND PRIVILEGE TO INTRODUCE COMMAND MASTER CHIEF HERBERT MACK ELLIS. HE IS A NATIVE OF BRONX, NEW YORK. HE JOINED THE NAVY IN 1984. HE HAS RISEN THROUGH THE RANKS TO THE HIGHEST ENLISTED POSITION YOU CAN ACHIEVE AS COMMAND MASTER CHIEF, SENIOR ENLISTED ADVISOR TO THE COMMANDING OFFICER AND COMMANDER OF THOSE DIFFERENT REGIONS. HIS FINAL DUTY STATION WAS FOR COMMANDER OF FORT FLEET OUT OF MAYPORT. HE AND I HAD THE HONOR TO SERVE TOGETHER ON BOARD JACKSONVILLE WHEN HE WAS COMMAND MASTER CHIEF FOR COMMANDER NAVAL REGIONS SOUTHEAST. HE IS A TRUE GREAT AMERICAN. AND MOST IMPORTANTLY HE LIVES IN CLAY COUNTY. AND I AM HONORED TO, AGAIN, TO INTRODUCE HIM. AND YOU WILL SEE THE RENDITION OF "OLD GLORY." MASTER CHIEF, THE FLOOR IS YOURS. SPEAKER: [00:10:13] I AM THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. MY NAME IS OLD GLORY. [MUSIC] I FLY ATOP THE WORLD'S TALLEST BUILDINGS. I STAND WATCH IN AMERICA'S HALLS OF JUSTICE. I FLY MAJESTICALLY OVER GREAT INSTITUTIONS OF LEARNING. I STAND GUARD WITH THE GREATEST MILITARY POWER IN THE WORLD. LOOK UP AND SEE ME. I STAND FOR PEACE, TRUTH, HONOR AND JUSTICE. I STAND FOR FREEDOM. I AM CONFIDENT TODAY I HONOR EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU AND I AM PROUD. WHEN I UNFOLD WITH MY FELLOW BANNERS MY HEAD IS HIGHER, MY COLORS A LITTLE TRUER. I BOW TO NO ONE. I AM RECOGNIZED ALL OVER THE WORLD. I AM WORSHIPPED, SALUTED, RESPECTED, REVERED. I AM LOVED. AND I AM FEARED. I HAVE FOUGHT IN EVERY BATTLE OF EVERY WAR FOR MORE THAN 200 YEARS. GETTYSBURG, SHILOH, SAN JUAN HILL, THE TRENCHES OF FRANCE, THE FOREST, ROME, THE BEACHES OF NORMANDY, THE JUNGLES OF GUAM, OKINAWA, KOREA, VIETNAM, THE PERSIAN GULF, AFGHANISTAN AND A STORY OF OTHER PLACES LONG FORGOTTEN BY ALL. EXCEPT BY THOSE WHO WERE THERE WITH ME. I, I WAS THERE. I LED MY SAILORS AND MARINES. I FOLLOWED THEM. I WATCHED OVER THEM. I WAS ON A SMALL HILL IN IWO JIMA. I WAS TIRED BUT MY SAILORS AND MARINES CHEERED ME. I WAS BROUGHT. I WAS AT GROUND ZERO IN NEW YORK CITY ON SEPTEMBER 11TH AS COWARDS AND FANATICS ATTACKED AMERICA. I WAS RAISED FROM THE ASHES OF ONCE PROUD BUILDINGS BY BRAVE FIREFIGHTERS, HEROES WHO RISKED THEIR LIVES TO SAVE OTHERS. SHOWING ALL THAT AMERICA ALTHOUGH [INAUDIBLE] NEVER DEFEATED. THOSE WHO DESTROY ME WILL NOT WIN FOR I AM THE SYMBOL OF FREEDOM OF ONE NATION, UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. I HAVE BEEN SOILED, BURNED, TORN AND TRAMPLED ON THE STREETS OF MY OWN COUNTRY. WHEN IT IS DONE BY THOSE WHOM I HAVE SERVED WITH IN BATTLE, IT HURTS. BUT I SHALL OVERCOME. FOR I AM STRONG. I HAVE SLIPPED THE SHORELY BOUNDS OF EARTH AND FROM THE MOON I STAND WATCH OVER THE UNCHARTERED NEW FRONTIERS OF SPACE. I HAVE BEEN A SOLID WITNESS OF ALL OF AMERICA'S FINEST HOURS. BUT MY FINEST HOUR COMES WHEN I AM TORN INTO STRIPS AND USED AS BANDAGES FOR MY WOUNDED COMRADES ON THE FIELD OF BATTLES. WHEN I FLY HALF-MASTED TO HONOR MY SOLDIERS, MY SAILORS, MY AIRMEN, MY MARINES, AND MY FIRST RESP RESPONDERS. AND WHEN I LIE IN THE ARMS OF A GRIEVING MOTHER AT THE GRAVE SITE OF HER FALLEN SON OR DAUGHTER, I AM PROUD. MY NAME IS OLD GLORY. [APPLAUSE] CHAIRMAN CELLA: JUST A REMINDER THAT WE DO HAVE A COUPLE OF VETERANS DAY EVENTS THAT YOU MIGHT WANT TO BE AWARE OF. THE VETERAN'S DAY WREATH LAYING CEREMONY IN ORANGE PARK TAKING PLACE ON OF COURSE NOVEMBER 11TH AT 11:00 A.M. IN THE HISTORIC [00:15:04] MAGNOLIA CEMETERY IN KINGSLEY AVENUE IN ORANGE PARK. ALSO IN THE KEYSTONE HEIGHTS AREA, THE KEYSTONE HEIGHTS MEMORIAL GARDEN CEMETERY. THERE ALSO AT 11:00 A.M. ONCE AGAIN, THANK YOU TO OUR FRIENDS AT THE BLACK CREEK YOUNG MARINES. WE APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE TODAY. WE APPRECIATE TREY FAGAN BEING HERE AS WELL. COMMAND MASTER CHIEF ELLIS. A STIRRING PERFORMANCE THERE. AND OUR OWN CLAY COUNTY PUBLIC SAFETY HONOR GUARD. WE APPRECIATE ALL OF YOU PARTICIPATING HERE TODAY. AND THANK YOU FOLKS FOR BEING HERE AS WELL. WITH THAT, WE'LL GET STARTED AND CALL THIS MEETING OF THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS TO ORDER THIS OCTOBER 22, 2019. AND AS WE DO THAT, WE WILL TAKE A LOOK AT THE ROLL CALL AND NOTE THAT ALL OF OUR COMMISSIONERS ARE IN PLACE HERE TODAY. BEFORE WE GO ANY FURTHER, LET ME WELCOME YOU TO THE MEETING OFFICIALLY. AND REMINDER TO TURN OFF ALL CELL PHONES OR SWITCH THEM TO THE SILENT RING MODE DURING THE COURSE OF THE MEETING IN ACCORDANCE WITH BOARD POLICY WE DO ASK THAT YOU REMOVE ALL HATS WHILE HERE IN THE BOARDROOM. IF YOU ARE INTERESTED IN SPEAKING TO THE BOARD, AND HOPEFULLY YOU ARE, WE WILL HAVE CARDS AVAILABLE FOR YOU OUTSIDE IN THE LOBBY. ALSO HERE. TERESA WILL BE ABLE TO TAKE CARDS. PLEASE FILL THOSE OUT AND WE'LL CALL YOU UP DURING THE FIRST PUBLIC COMMENT SESSION OR ANY OF THE PUBLIC HEARINGS THAT COME THAT ARE ON THE AGENDA. WE DO ASK THAT YOU KEEP YOUR REMARKS TO THREE MINUTES AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AS YOU GET STARTED HERE THIS AFTERNOON. IF NOT, I'LL HAVE TO REMIND YOU, WHICH I'M SURE I WILL HAVE TO DO MANY TIMES SO THAT'S OKAY. ALL RIGHT. ROLL CALL SHOWS ALL OF OUR COMMISSIONERS IN HOUSE. AND WE TURN IT OVER AS ALWAYS THE FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS IS A MOMENT IN HISTORY WITH VICE [A MOMENT IN HISTORY] CHAIRMAN HENDRY. VICE CHAIRMAN HENDRY: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. WHAT A PERFORMANCE. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT'S THE PROPER TERM FOR IT. PRESENTATION I THINK WOULD BE BEST. YOU KNOW, FOLKS HEARING THAT, IF YOU DIDN'T FEEL SOMETHING IN YOUR HEART, THEN YOU PROBABLY NEED TO CALL YOUR DOCTOR IN THE MORNING AND GET AN EXAMINATION. BECAUSE THAT WAS POWERFUL. I THANK HOWARD FOR KIND OF PUTTING THAT TOGETHER FOR US. WHAT AN HONOR TO STAND AND LISTEN TO THOSE BEAUTIFUL WORDS ON A LIGHTER NOTE, 1938, CHESTER CARLTON, I DON'T THINK ANY OF YOU KNEW CHESTER CARLSON BUT PROBABLY ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT PEOPLE IN THE WORLD. AT LEAST OUR WORLD. HE INVENTED THE PHOTOCOPIER. AND HE TOOK HIS NEW INVENTION AND WENT TO KODAK, HE WENT TO IBM, HE WENT TO ALL THE HIGH-TECH COMPANIES, WHAT FAY THERE WERE IN THE UNITED STATES, AND NO ONE WOULD BUY THE PHOTOCOPIER. MUCH TO THE PEOPLE THAT OWNED THE BIG COMPANY SAID, YOU KNOW, THERE WILL NEVER BE A NEED FOR A GADGET LIKE THAT. IT ONLY MAKES COPIES. BOY, WHAT WOULD WE DO WITHOUT A PHOTOCOPIER? LATER ON IT CAME INTO ITS OWN AND I THINK MR. CARLSON RETIRED FINANCIALLY SOUND AND LEFT US WITH THAT BEAST TO DEAL WITH. 47 YEARS AGO TONIGHT, 1962, IF ANY OF YOU WAS WATCHING TV YOU WOULD HAVE SAW THIS. PRESIDENT JOHN F. KENNEDY CAME ON NATIONAL TV AND SAID, AND I'LL PARAPHRASE, FOLKS WE GOT A PROBLEM. OUR RECONNAISSANCE OVER CUBA HAS DETECTED THE RUSSIANS ARE PUTTING INTERMEDIATE MISSILE LAUNCHING BASES IN CUBA. WHICH MEANED IN ESSENCE THEY COULD HIT THE MAJORITY OF THE LARGE CITIES OF THE UNITED STATES INCLUDING WASHINGTON, D.C. AND HE SAID YOU KNOW WE'RE NOT GOING TO STAND FOR IT. THIS PROVOCATION OF WAR. HE SAID WE WILL HAVE THOSE REMOVED EVEN IF IT MEANS GOING TO WAR. HE SOUNDED A LITTLE BETTER THAN I DID, BUT THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT IT WAS. AND IMMEDIATELY PUT THE UNITED STATES MILITARY AT DEF CON 2 WHICH THE HIGHEST READINESS SINCE THE COLD WAR. WHICH MEANT ALL THE MILITARY COMMANDERS WAS TO PREPARE FOR WAR THAT PARTICULAR NIGHT. THREE DAYS LATER, I'LL SHORT THIS BUT, HE GOT A LETTER SAYING HE WOULD TAKE ALL THE MISSILES OUT AND DID. SO, MAJOR WAR WAS AVERTED. BUT THAT'S WHAT WAS HAPPENING TONIGHT 47 YEARS AGO. SOME OF YOU ARE OLD ENOUGH TO REMEMBER THE CUBAN MISSILE CRISIS. I THINK THERE'S PROBABLY SOME ON ACTIVE DUTY AT THAT TIME. AND THEY ALL HEADED SOUTH ON VARIOUS BOATS. BUT IT COULD HAVE GOT VERY, VERY NASTY. BUT LUCKILY CRUISE SHIP, EVEN THOUGH HE WAS -- KHRUSCHCHEV, EVEN THOUGH HE WAS A FOOL, WAS SMART ENOUGH [00:20:04] TO KNOW TO BACK DOWN. CHAIRMAN CELLA: WE DO HAVE ART [ARTWORK] WORK TODAY. THE FOLKS HAVE BEEN PATIENT. WE TRIED TO GET THEM TWO WEEKS AGO BUT WE DIDN'T HAVE THAT. SPEAKER: WE HAVE FIVE PIECES OF TEM TEMPERA. THE PRINCIPAL OF THE SCHOOL IS DR. SHERRY CAGLE. NEXT WE HAVE ELIZABETH BILL GERT WHO IS IN SIXTH GRADE. ISABEL, SIXTH GRADE. KAITLYN RAMIREZ, SIXTH GRADE. AND OUR FINAL PIECE IS BY ELIJAH, SIXTH GRADE ALSO. THANK YOU. CHAIRMAN CELLA: THANK YOU. LET'S MOVE IN FRONT. WE'VE GOT [PET ADOPTIONS] A PET TO SHOW OFF TODAY AS WELL AS SOME PROCLAMATIONS. SO, IF YOU WILL, LET'S MOVE TO THE FRONT. SPEAKER: WE HAVE TWO. I'D LIKE TO SAY IT'S BUY ONE GET ONE FREE DAY BUT IT'S NOT [LAUGHTER] I'M REPRESENTING THE CLAY COUNTY ANIMAL SERVICES SHELTER IN GREEN COVE SPRINGS. THESE TWO ARE TEN WEEKS OLD. THEY'RE BOTH MALES. HERSHEY AND KISS [LAUGHTER] AND I CAN'T EVEN BEGIN TO DESCRIBE, OTHER THAN THE WONDERFUL PRESENTATION WE JUST SAW, THE AMOUNT OF PLEASURE I GOT FROM HOLDING THIS LITTLE GUY AND JUST THINK YOU COULD HAVE THAT KIND OF PLEASURE FOR YEARS TO COME IF YOU ADOPT THEM. THEY'RE CHI-WEENIES. WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? THEY'LL PROBABLY STAY TEENY-WEENY. THEY'RE REALLY GOOD PUPPIES. THEY WEREN'T CRYING OR ANYTHING AND THINK THEY WOULD MAKE A GOOD PET FOR A FAMILY. THEIR ADOPTION FEE IS $75. THAT'S BECAUSE THEY'RE PUPPIES. THAT INCLUDES ALL THEIR SHOTS. THEY'VE HAD THAT DONE. THEY'RE NEUTERED, MICRO CHIPPED. THEY'RE READY TO GO. I'VE GOT ADOPTION APPLICATIONS WITH ME IF YOU ARE INTERESTED. OTHERWISE, WE'VE GOT PLENTY OF OTHER DESERVING ANIMALS AT THE SHELTER. THANK YOU. CHAIRMAN CELLA: VERY GOOD. THANK YOU. VERY CUTE. I THINK COMMISSIONER ROLLINS MAY TAKE THAT ONE HOME WITH HIM [LAUGHTER] FOLKS, JUST A COUPLE OF THE MANY ANIMALS WE HAVE AT THE SHELTER. OUR INTAKES A I PRETTY MUCH SAY EVERY MEETING IS GREATER THAN OUR ADOPTION RATE. SO, IF YOU ARE INTERESTED IN ADDING TO THE FAMILY, CERTAINLY THOSE ARE A COUPLE OF CANDIDATES RIGHT THERE. SO, CONTACT OUR ANIMAL SERVICES, THEY'D BE GLAD TO HELP YOU OUT WITH THAT. WHERE IS TREY? TREY COME DOWN. [SPECIAL STAFF RECOGNITION] WE HAVE PRESENTATION HERE. TREY FAGAN HELPED US OUT WITH OUR PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. I'D LIKE TO GET A SHOT OF YOU WITH THIS APPRECIATION CERTIFICATE OF APPRECIATION THAT WE GAVE YOU. IF YOU CAN STEP BACK. THERE YOU GO. COMMISSIONER WOULD YOU READ [1.  Red Ribbon Week Proclamation] THIS. THE RED RIBBON PROCLAMATION. IT IS FOR THE STUDENTS WORKING AGAINST TOBACCO AND ALSO OUR BLACK CREEK YOUNG MARINES. IF BOTH GROUPS WANT TO COME DOWN SO WE CAN PRESENT YOU WITH A COPY OF THIS. THEY EVEN WALK IN FORMATION. I THINK WE SHOULD TAKE SOME LESSONS ON THAT [LAUGHTER] SPEAKER: LOOKING SHARP. GIVING US OLD FOLKS HOPE FOR THE FUTURE. WHEREAS THE NATIONAL FAMILY PARTNERSHIP IS A LEADER IN DRUG PREVENTION AND ADVOCACY AND HAS SPONSORED THE RED RIBBON SINCE ITS ITS BEGINNING OUT OF WHICH CAME THE NATION'S OLDEST AND LARGEST DRUG PREVENTION WEEK. WHEREAS THE RED RIBBON CAMPAIGN TODAY REACHES OVER 80 MILLION CHILDREN AND FAMILIES EACH YEAR IN THE UNITED STATES AND SERVES AS A CATALYST TO MOBILIZE COMMUNITIES TO EDUCATE YOUTH AND ENCOURAGE [00:25:01] PARTICIPATION IN DRUG PREVENTION ACTIVITIES. WHEREAS RESEARCH SHOWS THAT CHILDREN WHO HAVE PARENTS OR CAREGIVERS WHO TALK TO THEM REGULARLY ABOUT DRUGS ARE 42% LESS LIKELY TO USE DRUGS THAN THOSE WHO DO NOT. WHEREAS, PARENTS AND CAREGIVERS CAN SET A GOOD EXAMPLE FOR THEIR CHILDREN BY NOT USING ILLEGAL DRUGS OR MEDICINE WITHOUT A PRESCRIPTION. AND WHEREAS RED RIBBON WEEK WILL BE CELEBRATED THIS WEEK FROM OCTOBER 23RD THROUGH OCTOBER 31, 2019, WITH THE THEME OF "SEND A MESSAGE: STAY DRUG FREE." WHEREAS BUSINESSES, GOVERNMENT, PARENTS, LAW ENFORCEMENT, MEDIA, MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS, RELIGIOUS INSTITUTIONS, SCHOOLS, SENIOR CITIZENS, SERVICE ORGANIZATIONS AND YOUTH WILL DEMONSTRATE THEIR COMMITMENT TO HEALTHY DRUG-FREE LIFESTYLES BY WEARING AND DISPLAYING RED RIBBONS DURING THIS WEEK LONG CAMPAIGN. NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED THE BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS DOES HEREBY PROCLAIM THE WEEK OF OCTOBER 23RD-31 TO BE CELEBRATED AS RED RIBBON WEEK AND ENCOURAGES ITS CITIZENS TO PARTICIPATE IN DRUG PREVENTION EDUCATION ACTIVITIES MAKING A VISIBLE STATEMENT THAT WE ARE STRONGLY COMMITTED TO BE A DRUG-FREE COUNTY. DO I HAVE A MOTION? COMMISSIONER: SO MOVED. COMMISSIONER: ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. IT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. LET ME FIRST GIVE EACH OF YOU THE OPPORTUNITY TO TELL US YOUR NAME. SPEAKER: I AM GUNNER SERGEANT [INAUDIBLE] AND I AM 16 YEARS OLD. SPEAKER: I'M YOUNG MARINE LANCE CORPORAL WITH THE BLACK CREEK YOUNG MARINES AND I AM 12. SPEAKER: I AM 14 YEARS OLD. SPEAKER: I AM 12 YEARS OLD. COMMISSIONER: CONGRATULATIONS. THANK YOU. [APPLAUSE] WE LOOK FORWARD TO YOU ALL MAKING A DIFFERENCE IN OUR COMMUNITY FOR MANY YEARS TO COME. GET A PICTURE AND LET YOU HOLD THAT. SPEAKER: I'M SORRY I DIDN'T SEE YOU THERE [LAUGHTER] SPEAKER: I AM JOY MORITZ AND I AM THE TOBACCO PARTNERSHIP IN CLAY COUNTY AND WORK FOR QUICK DOC. WE HAVE SWAB CLUBS IN OUR SCHOOLS FOR STUDENTS WORKING AGAINST TOBACCO. SPEAKER: SORRY [LAUGHTER] NOW YOU CAN POSE. CHAIRMAN CELLA: THANK YOU SO MUCH. WE APPRECIATE IT. CONGRATULATIONS. THANK YOU. GOOD JOB. OF COURSE, AS WE'VE [2.  Veteran's Day] REFERENCED ONCE OR TWICE TODAY, COMING UP NOVEMBER 11TH IS VETERAN'S DAY. I'D LIKE TO ASK COMMISSIONER ROLLINS IF YOU WOULD DO THE HONORS. COMMISSIONER ROLLINS:INS IN 1954 HIGHSEN HOUR CALLED ON ALL AMERICANS TO OBSERVE NOVEMBER 11TH AS VETERAN'S DAY AND LET US REMEMBER THE SACRIFICES OF THOSE WHO FOUGHT IN THE SEAS AND AIR AND FOREIGN SHORES TO PRESERVE OUR HERITAGE OF FREEDOM. AND LET US RECONCENTRATE OURSELVESES TO THE PATH OF MAINTAINING PEACE. GENERATIONS OF SERVICE MEN AND WOMEN HAVE TAKEN UP ARMS TO WIN OUR INDEPENDENCE, PRESERVE OUR UNION AND SECURE OUR FREEDOM. WHEREAS THEIR ABIDING PAY TREEISM AND DEVOTION TO THE IDEAS WHICH THE UNITED STATES WAS FOUNDED CAN NEVER FAIL TO INSHIRE US. WE CAN NEVER FULLY REPAY OUR DEBT OF GRATETY TOOT THO WHOSE ARE SERVED WERE WOUND OR DIED IN BATTLE. ON VETERAN'S DAY WE ARE REMINDS OF OUR SOLEMN OBLIGATION TO SERVE OUR VETERANS AS WELL AS THEY HAVE SERVED US AND TO COME TOGETHER TO HONOR AND COMMEMORATE THE LEGACY OF PROFOUND SERVICE AND SACRIFICE THAT THEY'VE UPHELD. NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED THAT THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS CLAY COUNTY FLORIDA DOES HEREBY CONFIRMS BY ITS ACTIONS TODAY THAT OUR VETERANS DESERVE TO BE HONORED FOR THEIR SELFLESS ACTIONS AND DEDICATION TO SERVING THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. GOD BLESS [00:30:02] THOSE THAT HAVE SERVED AND THOSE WHO HAVE PASSED AND KEEP US SAFE AND THOSE WHO ARE SERVING TODAY. DO I HAVE A MOTION? COMMISSIONER: SO MOVE. COMMISSIONER: SECOND. COMMISSIONER: ALL THOSE IN FAVOR. MOTION CARRIES 5-0. BE IT THEREFORE RESOLVED THE COUNTY OF COMMISSIONER ENCOURAGES ALL CITIZENS TO PARTICIPATE IN LOCAL VETERAN'S DAY ACTIVITIES HONORING THE MEN AND WOMEN WHO HAVE SACRIFICED SO MUCH. DULY ADOPTED BY THE BOARD COMMISSIONERS CLAY COUNTY FLORIDA THIS 22ND DAY OF OCTOBER 2019. CHAIRMAN CELLA: I'D LOVE TO GET ALL OF OUR VETERANS HERE TO POSE WITH A PICTURE WITH US AND ACCEPT THE RESOLUTION. COME ON UP. TREY, COME UP. ANYBODY IN THE BACK, COME ON UP. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU, SIR. APPRECIATE IT. GOOD TO SEE YOU. THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE. HOW ABOUT GIVING OUR VETERANS A BIG HAND. [APPLAUSE] ALL RIGHT. THAT SHOULD CONCLUDE OUR PRESENTATIONS, PROCLAMATIONS, DOG PRESENTING AND EVERYTHING ELSE. SO WE CAN GET STARTED WITH THE MEETING HERE. COMMISSIONER: THE AMERICAN FLAG AND PUPPIES I DON'T THINK WE NEED ANYTHING ELSE. I MOVE TO ADJOURN [LAUGHTER] ALL RIGHT. OUR NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS NUMBER, APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FOR OCTOBER 8, 2019, [APPROVAL OF MINUTES] MEETING. COMMISSIONER: MOVE FOR APPROVAL. COMMISSIONER: SECOND. CHAIRMAN CELLA: ANY DISCUSSION, CORRECTIONS? SEEING NONE, CALL FOR THE VOTE. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. MOTION CARRIES. WE'LL GO ON TO PUBLICCOMMENTS. DON'T [PUBLIC COMMENTS] HAVE ANY CARDS FOR THE FIRST PUBLIC COMMENT SESSION BUT IF YOU ARE INTERESTED IN TALKING AT THIS TIME, WE CAN CERTAINLY FIT YOU IN. ALL RIGHT. MESSENGER JUST DELIVERED THEM. MMR. MR. CMR. CLEM SMAN ARE YOU INTERESTED IN COMING UP NOW? ALL RIGHT COME ON. PUBLIC SPEAKER: RICHARD CLEMSON. 1985 [INAUDIBLE] TRAIL MIDDLEBURGH, FLORIDA. I KNOW WHAT YOU ARE THINKING, THAT GUY CRAY MAGEEN IS BACK AFTER A KY - ENDURING TRIAL. I'M GOING TO BE SPEAKING AGAIN LATER ON AGAIN THE SAME OLD STORY IS OUT OF CONTROL GROWTH AND ITS AFFECT ON US. I LED OUT WITH THIS AT THE LAST PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING. A QUOTE FROM THE NOVELIST EDWARD ABBEY. GROWTH FOR GROWTH'S SAKE IS THE IDEOLOGY OF THE CANCER CELL. AND IN THE LAST 18 MONTHS I HAVE GOTTEN QUITE AN EDUCATION ON CANCER. SO I KNOW WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT HERE. THIS OUT OF CONTROL GROWTH IS DESTROYING OUR AREA. RIGHT NOW IT'S BEEN UNLEASHED IN LAKE ASBURY. THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS TOO MANY HOUSING DEVELOPMENTS HAVE BEEN APPROVED. NOW, I'M NOT FOOLISH ENOUGH TO KNOW THAT GROWTH CAN BE STOPPED. IT CAN'T. BUT IT [00:35:03] HAS TO BE MEASURED. IT HAS TO BE CONTROLLED. AND FAR MORE QUESTIONS NEED TO BE ASKED. I'VE PRETTY MUCH BEEN GOING AT THIS ALONE UNTIL RECENTLY WHEN THE TRAFFIC HAS GOTTEN SO BAD ON HAND -- HANDLY AND 220 AND WE KNOW IT'S GOING TO GET REALLY BAD ON RUSSELL AND SAN WITCH BECAUSE NOTHING HAS BEEN IN PUT IN AFFECT. THERE'S 2,500 HOMES ROUGHLY APPROVED FOR THE RUSSELL-SANDRIDGE AREA. NOW THERE'S A NEW ONE BEING PROPOSED COMPLETE WITH A VILLAGE SHOPPING CENTER IN THE MIDDLE OF IT. WHICH AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR THESE 2,000 HOMES, THEY WANT TO PUT IN THE SHOPPING DISTRICT AND MOVE IT FROM THE CENTER UP TO HENDALLY ROAD. IT DOES NOT NEED ANYMORE BUSINESSES ON IT OR ATTRACTIONS FOR TRAFFIC. SO, TO THAT END IT TURNS OUT THERE ARE MORE LIKE-MINDED PEOPLE. AND WE HAVE FORMED OUR OWN GROUP. IT'S THE CITIZENS AGAINST OVER DEVELOPMENT OF CLAY COUNTY. AS I SAID TO MR. CELLA ON SUNDAY, WE HAVE PREFERRED TO CALL IT THE AVENGERS, BUT IT TURNS OUT THAT NAME WAS TAKEN. SO, WHO KNEW? BECAUSE WE REALLY NEED SOMEBODY TO STAND UP FOR US. WE NEED SOMEBODY TO STARE THESE PEOPLE DOWN TO BACK OFF. WE DO NOT NEED ANOTHER 2,000 HOMES THUMPING ON TO 220 AND HENDLEY ROAD. IF YOU TOTAL THEM UP YOU GET A PERSPECTIVE NINE THOUSAND MORE HOMES. WHICH FIGURE TWO CARS PER HOUSEHOLD -- I'M SORRY. 4,500 HOMES. YOU ARE LOOKING AT ANOTHER 9,000 CARS. AND THESE ROADS ARE ALREADY IN BAD SHAPE. SO I WOULD ASK THAT WE START TAKING A HARDER LOOK BEFORE WE START APPROVING MASSIVE DEVELOPMENTS. I'LL PROBABLY BE BACK LATER. BUT THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. CHAIRMAN CELLA: WE'LL WAIT HERE FOR YOU. [APPLAUSE] AS MUCH AS I THINK MR. CLEMSMAN DESERVES A ROUND OF APPLAUSE, IF WE COULD HOLD THE APPLAUSE. THIS IS A BUSINESS MEETING. JANET WANTAGE. COME ON DOWN. THIS IS MY LAST PUBLIC COMMENT CARD FOR THE FIRST PUBLIC COMMENT SESSION. IF YOU ARE INTERESTED IN SPEAKING GET IT TO TERESA SO WE CAN GET YOU LINED UP HERE. PUBLIC SPEAKER: HELLO ESTEEMED COMMISSIONERS. I AM NOT QUITE A PUBLIC SPEAKER BUT -- CHAIRMAN CELLA: COULD YOU IDENTIFY YOURSELF. PUBLIC SPEAKER: JANET WANTAGE, 242 BUSH COURT GREEN COVE SPRINGS, LAKE ASBURY. I'M KIND OF A LITTLE YAPPING DOG. BUT I'M REALLY HOPING THAT YOU HEAR MY WHIMPERS THIS EVENING. I'M NOT AGAINST THE GROWTH. IN FACT, I UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S NECESSARY. RATHER, MY PLEA IS FOR THOUGHTFUL, PLANNED, SUSTAINABLE AND COLLABORATIVE GROWTH. WE NEED TO BE MINDFUL OF WHAT WE WANT OUR COMMUNITY TO LOOK AND FEEL LIKE. DO WE WANT SOME MORE FACADES ON OUR BUILDINGS? HOW BRIGHT DO WE WANT THE LIGHTS? HOW TALL DO WE WANT STREET SIGNS? HOW TALL DO WE WANT THE SIGNAGES FOR ALL OF THE NEW BUILDINGS THAT ARE GOING TO COME? CONTRACTORS, THEY DON'T HAVE OUR BEST INTEREST AT HEART. THEY ARE FOR PROFIT ENTITIES. WE, WE ARE YOUR NEIGHBOS. WE'RE THE HEART AND SOUL OF THIS COMMUNITY. THE CONTRACTORS ARE FOR-PROFIT ENTITIES. WE NEED COLLABORATIVE PLANNING AND A VOICE SO THAT OUR HEART AND SOUL CONTINUES TO GROW AND EXPAND IN ACCEPTABLE WAYS. WE ARE AT A TURNING POINT. WE CAN BECOME WESTSIDE JACKSONVILLE, FLEMING ISLAND OR SOMETHING UNIQUE AND COMPLETELY ON TO OURSELVES. BUT WE IMPLORE YOU TO KEEP CLAY CLASSY AND NOT TRASHY. THANK YOU. CHAIRMAN CELLA: THANK YOU, MA'AM. MICHELLE NEWELL. PUBLIC SPEAKER: MICHELLE NEWELL. 279 CAN'T ALORE COURT GREEN COVE. MY HUSBAND SERVED 21 YEARS IN THE ARMY. HIS -- DO I [00:40:03] NEED TO PRESS THIS BUTTON? HIS FATHER-IN-LAW WAS NAVY. SO, THERE IS A LOT OF MILITARY HISTORY WITHIN OUR FAMILY. HE HAS GROWN UP IN THE LAKE ASBURY AREA AND I'VE BEEN LIVING THERE -- WE'VE BEEN MARRIED FOR 20 YEARS. AND I'VE BEEN LIVING HERE FOR ABOUT SIX YEARS NOW. BUT I WAS LOOKING AT THE MASTER PLAN AND WANTED TO QUOTE SOME THINGS. THE PLAN ACTS TO DISCOURAGE SPRAWL BY GUIDING DEVELOPMENT INTO THE FORM OF VILLAGES AND CENTRAL PLACES AT HIGHER DENSITIES AND INTENSITIES OF NEIGHBORHOODS OF LOWER DENSITY. RIGHT NOW WE HAVE A LOWER DENSITY AREA IN THE LAKE ASBURY AREA. OF COURSE, I'VE JUMPED ON THE BANDWAGON THAT STARTED WITH THESE OTHER TWO INDIVIDUALS THAT HAVE ALSO SPOKE AND THAT LAKE ASBURY NEEDS A PLAN. A BETTER PLAN THAN WHAT I'VE READ THROUGH IN THE MASTER PLAN. AS FAR AS DEVELOPMENT. THE HENDLEY ROAD DOES NOT NEED ANYMORE COMMERCIAL COMPONENTS TO THAT ROAD RIGHT NOW. IT HAS BEEN ESTABLISHED AS A ROAD WHERE PEOPLE CAN RIDE THEIR BIKES, WHERE PEOPLE CAN WALK THEIR DOGS, WHERE PEOPLE CAN RUN. NOW WITH THE OVERPASS THAT IS GOING ON, I'M JUST WAITING FOR THE TIME WHERE THERE IS GOING TO BE AN ACCIDENT. THERE IS GOING TO BE SOMEBODY THAT'S RUN OVER. BECAUSE WHEN YOU DRIVE DOWN THAT ROAD RIGHT NOW YOU SEE PEOPLE, LITTLE KIDS RIDING THEIR BIKES UP TO THE SCHOOL. YOU SEE THE LITTLE KIDS RIDING THEIR BIKE TO THEIR FRIEND'S HOUSE. WHEN IS IT GOING TO BE TOO MUCH THAT WE HAVE AN ACCIDENT FROM THE OVER DEVELOPMENT OF THE AREA? ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT WAS IN THE MASTER PLAN SAYS IT SHALL LIMIT DEVELOPMENT THROUGH THE 2025 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TIMEFRAME NO MORE THAN A TOTAL OF 21,000 RESIDENTIAL UNITS SHALL BE PERMITTED DURING THIS TIME. I'M JUST CURIOUS AS TO WHERE 21,000 UNITS ARE GOING TO BE IN THAT AREA. HOW ARE WE GOING TO HOUSE 21,000 ADDITIONAL HOMES IN AN AREA THAT'S ALREADY AS MOST BELIEVE AT ITS LIMIT CONSIDER THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT IS THERE CURRENTLY. I KNOW MOST OF US WE MOVED OUT OF THAT AREA BECAUSE WE -- MOVED OUT TO THAT AREA BECAUSE WE ENJOY LARGER LOTS. MORE OF A RURAL AREA. AND, YOU KNOW, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THE MEMBERS OF THIS COMMISSION, YOU KNOW, COMMISSIONER ROLLINS, WHAT SIZE PROPERTY DO YOU LIVE ON? COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: ABOUT HALF-ACRE IN KEYSTONE HEIGHTS. PUBLIC SPEAKER: COMMISSIONER HENDRY? COMMISSIONER HENDRY: 8. PUBLIC SPEAKER: COMMISSIONER CELLA? COMMISSIONER: CELLA I LIVE IN A CONDO. PUBLIC SPEAKER: COMMISSIONER BOLLA? COMMISSIONER BOLLA: ABOUT A THIRD. PUBLIC SPEAKER: I WAS JUST CURIOUS AS TO THE SIZE OF ACREAGE THAT YOU GUYS LIVE IN. THANK YOU. CHAIRMAN CELLA: MR. RID LING. CHUCK? PUBLIC SPEAKER: CHARLES RID LING 2517 RUSSELL ROAD. YOU ALL HOLD ON WE'RE GOING ALL OVER THE PLACE ON THIS ONE [LAUGHTER] THE FIRST THING IS I FEEL IMPACT FEES SHOULD BE PAID AT THE TIME OF PULLING A PERMIT. BECAUSE COUNTY SERVICES BEGIN AT THAT MOMENT. THE INSPECTIONS, THE FIRE AND POLICE. IF THEY HAVE MATERIALS STOLEN OR VANDALISM THEY CALL THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE. AND THEY'RE ALREADY PULLING FROM IT. SO, LET THEM GET THEIR IMPACT FEE BACK FROM WHOEVER BUYS A HOUSE. DON'T WAIT UNTIL THE HOUSE IS SOLD TO GET YOUR IMPACT FEE. GET IT RIGHT UP FRONT WHEN THE PERMIT'S ISSUED. AND THE OTHER THING IS I KNOW THERE'S GOING TO BE GROWTH IN CLAY COUNTY. IT'S COMING. THERE'S NO STOPPING IT. I DON'T WANT TO STOP IT. BUT YOU'VE GOT TO BE PROGRESSIVE ABOUT IT. THE ONLY PROGRESSIVE I SEE RIGHT NOW HAS BEEN TOWARDS THE LARGE LANDOWNERS, THE COUNTY GIVEN THE DEVELOPMENTS OVER TO THE DEVELOPERS. I MEAN, THEY'RE GIVING EVERYTHING HAND OVER FIST TO THEM. THEY'RE NOT HAVING TO COME AND BUILD THE ROADS, FOUR-LANE THE ROADS, AND TAKE IT LIKE ST. JOHNS. THEY'RE HAVING THEM BUILD FOUR-LANE ROADS BEFORE A SUBDIVISION EVEN GOES IN. AND HERE IS MY PET PEEVE. IS THE THREE MINUTES FOR ME TO SPEAK, WHEN THE DEVELOPER, HE CAN BRING HIS ATTORNEY IN OR HE CAN BRING HIS REPRESENTATIVE IN AND THEY CAN TALK AS LONG AS [00:45:03] THEY WANT. BY GOD I PAY TAXES HERE. SO, WHY CAN'T I SPEAK AS LONG AS I WANT? WHY CAN'T I TAKE MY THREE MINUTES AND GIVE TO MY SPOKESMAN LIKE THEY DO IN CONGRESS AND EVERYWHERE ELSE, YOU CAN DEFER YOUR TIME TO ANOTHER SPEAKER. WHY CAN'T WE DO THAT? WE'VE GOT TO COME UP HERE AND DO OUR SPIEL. LET ME GET ON THE OTHER PAGE. BEAR WITH ME. I'M COMING. I'VE BEEN HEARING THERE'S TALK OF SIX LANE ON 220 FROM HIGHWAY 17 TO COLLEGE DRIVE. TO ME, THAT'S LUDICROUS. BECAUSE YOU HAVEN'T EVEN FIXED 209 OR SAN DREDGE AND YOU ARE -- SANDRIDGE AND YOU ARE GOING TO LOAD THEM FULL OF CARS WHEN YOU PUT 3,500 HOMES ON SANDRIDGE. WHY SHOULD YOU PUT TWO MORE LANES ON 220 WHEN WE ACTUALLY NEED IT INSIDE WHERE YOU ARE GOING TO PUT THE HOMES. THE OTHER THING IS, WHY CAN'T YOU ALL LOCK DOWN SO LIGHT SO TIGHT THEY CAN'T WIGGLE UNTIL THEY TAKE AND 100% CLEAN EVERY INCH OF THAT 900 AND SOMETHING ACRES. THEY DON'T NEED TO BE ABLE TO LIFT THEIR HEAD FOR ANYTHING EXCEPT TO GET OFF SOME OF THOSE MILLIONS THEY GOT IN VIRGINIA AND BRING THEM DOWN HERE AND FIX THE MESS THEY MADE. AND THE OTHER THING I'D LIKE TO KNOW FROM YOU ALL IS ALL THESE HOMES IN DEVELOPMENTS WE'RE BRINGING IN, WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WHEN GEORGIA TELLS CLAY COUNTY, WE DON'T WANT YOUR GARBAGE ANYMORE? WE DON'T WANT TO BE YOUR GARBAGE CAN. WHAT ARE YOU ALL GOING TO DO WITH ALL THE GARBAGE YOU ARE HAULING NORTH RIGHT NOW? IS THERE A PLAN IN PLACE FOR THE WASTE AND EVERYTHING THAT THOSE 3,500 HOMES OUT THERE ON LAKE ASBURY'S GOING TO MAKE? ARE YOU ALL GOING TO BE ABLE TO KEEP SENDING THEM TO GEORGIA OR IF THEY TELL YOU WE DON'T WANT ANYMORE, WHAT'S YOUR GAME PLAN? CHAIRMAN CELLA: THANK YOU. ITEM 11 IS SPECIFICALLY ON THE SO LIGHT TODAY. SO, YOU MAY WANT TO PAY ATTENTION TO THAT. SO, LI WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING SESSION. WE SKIPPED IT BEFORE SO WE'LL BACKTRACK A BIT TO OUR [PRESENTATIONS] PRESENTATION. ROB LEMMON OUR AUDITORS AND ACCOUNTING CONSULTONS HAS GOT INFORMATION THIS AFTERNOON ON A TIMELINE OF REORGANIZATION FOR OUR ACCOUNTING AND FINANCE DEPARTMENT TO EXPLAIN TO SOME OF THOSE FOLKS IN THE AUDIENCE THAT MAY NOT BE AWARE OF IT, RESULTS OF THE STATE AMENDMENT NUMBER 10, WHICH WERE ON THE BALLOT LAST NOVEMBER, REQUIRE US TO TURN OVER A NUMBER OF RESPONSIBILITIES TO THE CLERK'S OFFICE. IN THAT REGARD, WE ARE LOOKING TO ACCOMMODATE THAT AMENDMENT. SO, ROB LEMMON IS HERE TO HELP US WITH THAT. GOOD AFTERNOON. THANK YOU. SPEAKER: GOOD AFTERNOON. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. JUST TO SAY AGAIN MY NAME IS ROBERT LEMMON. I AN AN AUDIT PARTNER. BEEN WORKING WITH YOU FOR A COUPLE YEARS AND WORKING ON THIS TRANSITION TO GET THE ACCOUNTING FUNCTION TO THE CLERK'S OFFICE. AND MY OBJECTIVE IS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GET THE BEST ACCOUNTING CONTROLS IN PLACE ON THE OTHER SIDE AND WE STARTED WITH A TIMELINE OF ALL THE THINGS THAT WE NEED TO GET DONE. I CAN SEE YOU'VE GOT IT THERE. I WANT TO START BY SAYING THIS TIMELINE IS NOT SET IN STONE AND IT'S A 12-MONTH TIMELINE AND A LITTLE BEYOND. SO, I'M SURE PIECES WILL MOVE. BUT THIS IS OUR CURRENT BEST ROAD MAP AND I THINK IT COVERS ALL THE KEY THINGS WE NEED TO CONSIDER AS WE MOVE THOSE ACCOUNTING FUNCTIONS. WHAT I'VE DONE WITH THE TIMELINE IS BROKEN IT DOWN ACROSS THE TOP BY MONTH AND DOWN THE SIDE THERE'S RESPONSIBILITIES FOR ME AND MY TEAM, FOR THE CLERK'S OFFICE, FOR THE BOARD'S OFFICE, THEN AN I.T. TEAM WHICH I'LL TALK ABOUT BRIEFLY. I'M GOING TO TRY TO MOVE THROUGH QUITE QUICKLY BUT STOP ME OBVIOUSLY WITH QUESTIONS. MOVING ACROSS THE FIRST THING WE'RE GOING TO WORK ON FROM CRI SIDE IS MAKING SURE WE ANALYZE STRUCTURES OF OTHER COUNTIES. THAT'S ONGOING. THAT'S STARTED. SO WE CAN MAKE BEST RECOMMENDATIONS OF HOW WE WANT TO DESIGN OUR NEW STRUCTURE. NEXT MONTH WE PLAN TO HAVE ROLES AND RESPONSIBILITIES DEFINED. WHAT'S GOING TO BE THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE CLERK VERSUS LEFT AT THE BOARD FROM AN ACCOUNTING PERSPECTIVE. THEN FROM THERE I BELIEVE THERE'S A MEETING IN EARLY DECEMBER OR MID-DECEMBER. I'VE BEEN ASKED TO COME BACK AT THAT POINT I PLAN TO HAVE FOR YOU THE PROPOSED ORGANIZATIONAL CHARTS [00:50:01] FOR BOTH THE BOARDS ACCOUNTING TEAM AFTER THE CHANGE AND THE CLERK'S ACCOUNTING TEAM. THAT IS OUR TARGET FOR DECEMBER. WE'LL HAVE TO HAVE A PERIOD OF TIME WHERE WE'RE DESIGNING THE NEW POLICIES AND PROCEDURES. AND THEN YOU WILL SEE IN JULY OF 2020 FOR A FEW MONTHS STARTING TO TRAIN THE NEW TEAMS ON THOSE PROCEDURES. THIS IS ALL WITH A VIEW OF HAVING CONTROLS IMPLEMENTED AND EFFECTIVE BY FIRST OF OCTOBER 2020 WHICH IS THE NEW FISCAL YEAR DURING WHICH THE CLERK WILL TAKE AUDITSHIP. FROM AN AUDIT STANDPOINT AND MY RISK ASSESSMENT PERSPECTIVE STARTING AT THE BEGINNING AND HAVING CONSISTENT CONTROLS IS MY BEST RECOMMENDATION. THAT'S WHY THE TIMELINE, IT PRETTY MUCH IS STARTED OCTOBER 1, 2020. START OF THE 23IS CAL YEAR. A COUPLE OTHER THINGS WE'RE GOING TO CONSIDER IN DECEMBER AND RUNNING INTO FEBRUARY AND MARCH. WE'RE WARE AS WELL THE CLERK TO THE BOARD FUNCTIONS THAT NEED TO BE CONSIDERED. SO, PLAN HERE IS FOR ME TO HEAR WHAT WHAT FUNCTIONS NEED ASSISTANCE. I'VE WORKED WITH A LOT OF COUNTIES AND A LOT OF DIFFERENT PARTNERS IN MY FIRM WORK WITH OTHER COUNTIES. WE'LL SEE WHAT OTHER PEOPLE ARE DOING ON THOSE FUNCTIONS AND AIMING TO HAVE THOSE WRAPPED UP BY END OF MARCH. SO THAT'S KIND OF THE OVERVIEW OF WHAT'S ON MY PLATE IN THE NEXT 12 MONTHS AS THIS TRANSITION HAPPENS. ON THE CLERK SIDE IT IS A LOT OF SIMILAR STUFF. IT WILL FIT IN THERE AFTER WE'VE GIVEN THE NEW ORGANIZATIONAL CHARTS. THERE'S ROLES HERE ON THE TIMELINE THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO IDENTIFY THE STAFF THEY WANT AND HIRE FOR ANY GAPS ON THE ORGANIZATIONAL CHART. THEY'LL ALSO BE INVOLVED IN IDENTIFYING THE POLICIES AND PROCEDURES AND CONDUCTING INTERVIEWS FOR THE NEW HIRES I MENTIONED AND DOING THE TRAINING AS WELL. THEN YOU WILL SEE A BIG ORANGE BAR FOR A PINK RED BAR FOR CONSISTENT FINANCE SHH CONTROLS EFFECTIVE OCTOBER 1ST FOR THAT FISCAL YEAR. THE OTHER PIECE THAT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT FOR THE CLERK IS THERE'S A PERIOD OF A GROWTH SECTION AROUND THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR END WHICH IS THEM STARTING TO LEARN A LITTLE BIT. I WANT TO EMPHASIZE THERE'S BEEN SOME CONCERN THIS IS GOING TO BE LIKE A SCHOOLHOUSE WAS THE PHRASE USED THAT THE EXISTING TEAM TRYING TO DO THEIR DUTIES WOULD BE HAVING TO DO EXTENSIVE TRAINING FOR THE CLERK'S TEAM. I'M NOT PROPOSING IT COULD DA THAT BECAUSE THERE IS EXISTING DUTIES THAT WILL NEED TO BE CONDUCTED IN ADDITION TO GETTING THE CLERK'S TEAM THE UNDERSTANDING. SO I HAVEN'T GOT THE DETAILS ON EXACTLY HOW WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT. AS THIS PLAYS OUT. BUT I DO WANT TO EMPHASIZE, I DON'T PLAN ON MAKING A SCHOOL HOUSE, YOU KNOW, ACKNOWLEDGE THOSE EXISTING DUTIES STILL NEED TO BE FULFILLED WHILST THEY'RE DOING THE TRAINING FOR THE OTHER TEAM. THAT'S THE MAIN THING ON THE CLERK'S SIDE. MOVING DOWN THE BOTTOM. MUCH OF THE SAME. THE ACCOUNTING TEAM WILL BE INVOLVED IN IDENTIFYING WHO IS GOING TO BE ON THE TEAMS AND THE ACCOUNTING TEAM THAT REMAINS AND ALSO INVOLVED IN POLICIES AND PROCEDURE DESIGNING, THE TRAINING PROCESS, AND THEN AGAIN ON HELPING THE CLERK'S TEAM START TO LEARN THE NEW ROLES THEY WILL BE DOING THE FOLLOWING YEAR. THE LAST THING I WANT TO MENTION HERE IS THE I.T. TEAM. THAT'S THE BOTTOM ROW. WE HAD A REALLY GOOD MEETING WITH THE I.T. PERSONNEL FROM THE BOARD AND THE CLERK AND WE WENT TO ESTABLISH WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO. BECAUSE, OBVIOUSLY, I.T. SYSTEMS RUN ALL THE ACCOUNTING INFORMATION. WE HAVE A PROPOSAL THAT WE ALL AGREED ON AND I SPOKE WITH MY I.T. SPECIALIST. IT'S NOT MY THING SO I SPOKE TO THEM AND THEY PROPOSED A SOLUTION WHICH WAS AGREED UPON BY ALL I.T. PARTIES. WHICH WAS, THAT RATHER THAN TRY TO MIGRATE THE I.T. DATA INTO THE CLERK'S EXISTING SYSTEM, THEY SAID THAT'S GOING TO HAVE A LOT OF CHANGE MANAGEMENT PROBLEMS WITH DATA AND A LOT OF TESTING AND BACK TESTING. WHY NOT JUST STAND OVER THE ACCESS TO THE EXISTING SYSTEM TO THE CLERK AND THEY CAN CONTINUE RUNNING ALL THE -- IN THE SAME WAY WITHOUT HAVING TO MOVE DATA. AND THERE'S A LOT OF DATA AND HISTORY AND EVERYTHING. IT MADE A LOT OF SENSE. WE ALL AGREED ON THAT. THE DOWNSIDE TO THAT IS THE ACCOUNTING SYSTEM, WHICH IS GOING TO GET MOVED TO THE CLERK UNDER THE PROPOSAL, ALSO COMES WITH A BUDGETING MODULE THAT THE BOARD NEEDS TO RETAIN. SO, WHEN THE ACCOUNTING PIECE GOES OVER TO THE CLERK, THE BOARD WILL LOSE ITS [INAUDIBLE] ILL WILL BE REPLACED. WE CAN REMOVE THE EXISTING ONES. BUT IT DOES MEAN THE BOARD WOULD NEED TO REPLACE THOSE TWO MODULES. THAT'S THE BEST SOLUTION THAT I FEEL AND THAT'S WHAT'S BEING DISCUSSED WITH THE OTHER I.T. GUYS. SO THAT'S THE [00:55:01] PROPOSAL ON THE I.T. FRONT. SO THAT'S WHERE THE TIMELINE PLAYS OUT IS FINDING THE NEW REPLACEMENT MODULES, TESTING THEM AND GETTING THOSE IMPLEMENTED. THAT IS DEEMED THE EASIEST. WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND, AND IT CAME FROM THE I.T. MEETING WE HAD A CLERK REPRESENTATIVE, A BOARD REPRESENTATIVE AND MYSELF AND WE HAD A VERY, VERY PRODUCTIVE MEETING. AND IT MADE ME BELIEVE THAT SOONER THAN LATER I WOULD RECOMMEND A SMALL TRANSITION TEAM BE ESTABLISHED WITH PARTIES FROM BOTH SIDES -- THE CLERK AND THE BOARD AND THE KEY PLAYERS INVOLVED IN THE KEY FUNCTIONS -- AND WE WOULD MEET ON A TWO TO THREE- -- EVERY TWO TO THREE WEEKS TO MAKE SURE WE'RE HITTING ALL THE MILESTONES IN THIS TRANSITION PLAN. SO, THAT'S WAT I'VE GOT HERE. AGAIN, JUST A ROAD MAP FOR NOW. MAPPING OUT THE NEXT 12 MONTHS. SO, THERE WILL BE ADJUSTMENTS AS WE GO ALONG BUT I THINK IT COVERS ALL THE KEY ELEMENTS TO GET THOSE FINANCIAL REPORTING FUNCTIONS OVER TO THE CLERK WITH GOOD, STRONG ACCOUNTING CONTROLS. ANY QUESTIONS? CHAIRMAN CELLA: JUST TO FOLLOW UP ON YOUR TRANSITION TEAM THOUGHTS THERE. WILL YOU HAVE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS AS TO WHO YOU THINK SHOULD BE ON THE TEAM OR DO YOU WANT US TO COME UP WITH THAT THROUGH THE COUNTY MANAGER'S OFFICE? SPEAKER: I HAVE RECOMMENDATIONS. I'D LIKE THE COUNTY MANAGER TO FINALIZE. BUT I THINK I COULD START WITH GOOD RECOMMENDATIONS. CHAIRMAN CELLA: OKAY. ANYBODY HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR ROB? GO AHEAD. COMMISSIONER: WHEN IS THE PAYROLL FUNCTION TRANSFER? THAT'S THE ONE I AM CONCERNED ABOUT. SPEAKER: SO THE OFFICIAL -- SO YOU ARE SAYING WHO -- COMMISSIONER: WHAT'S THE DATE FOR THE PAYROLL TO BE ISSUED BY THE CLERK'S OFFICE AS OPPOSED TO OUR OWN PEOPLE? WHEN WE STOP PAYING PEOPLE, WE GET IN TROUBLE. SPEAKER: SO THAT WILL COME IN TO ONCE WE ESTABLISH ROLES AND RESPONSIBILITIES. WHO IS GOING TO TAKE THE PAYROLL RESPONSIBILITY. IT'S NOT SOMETHING I'VE FINALIZED ON WHETHER WE'LL CHANGE THE PAYROLL PROCESS ENTIRELY OR JUST A BIT. BUT ONCE I DO HAVE THOSE ROLES AND RESPONSIBILITIES TIED DOWN I'LL HAVE A BETTER ANSWER. COMMISSIONER BOLLA: I'VE DONE THESE BEFORE. WHEN THE PAYROLL DOESN'T WORK, YOU ARE IN TROUBLE. SPEAKER: I'VE BEEN REMINDED OF THAT COUPLE TIMES SO I'LL BE EXTRA CAREFUL. CHAIRMAN CELLA: ROB, THANK YOU. WE APPRECIATE IT. I KNOW IT'S BEEN A LOT OF WORK GETTING TO THIS POINT BUT I THINK AS A TIMELINE THAT WILL WORK FOR EVERYBODY AND I KNOW YOU WILL MAKE SURE THAT WE IMPLEMENT IT AS WE GO ALONG. THANK YOU. FOR THOSE FOLKS HERE, AGAIN, THE RESULTS OF AMENDMENT 10 ON THE BALLOT LAST YEAR REQUIRE US TO DO CERTAIN THINGS IN REGARDS TO HANDING OVER FUNCTIONS, RECORDKEEPING, FINANCIAL, AS WELL AS EVEN THE CLERK TO THE BOARD WILL NO LONGER BE THE COUNTY MANAGER BUT SOMEONE FROM THE CLERK'S OFFICE. THE CLERK HERSELF OR PERHAPS SOMEBODY SHE NAMES. THAT WAS THE AMENDMENT TO THE CONSTITUTION THAT PASSED IN THE LAST ELECTION. SO, WE'RE JUST CARRYING OUT THAT ASPECT OF WHAT PEOPLE VOTED ON. WE'LL HAVE ROB BACK TO GIVE US AN UPDATE TO KNOW WHERE WE STAND IN TERMS OF DOING THAT. WE DO HAVE TO HAVE THAT DONE BY JANUARY 1ST OF 2021. OKAY. WITH THE PRESENTATION BEING DONE WE CAN MOVE ON OUR CONSENT AGENDA. DO [CONSENT AGENDA] WE HAVE ANY ITEMS THAT FOLKS WHO LIKE TO PULL? COMMISSIONER: MOVE FOR APPROVAL. COMMISSIONER: SECOND. CHAIRMAN CELLA: ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY AYE. MOTION CARRIES 5-0. WE DO HAVE TIME TO SNEAK ONE IN BEFORE THE START OF OUR TIME-CERTAINS. NUMBER 7 UNDER OLD BUSINESS. [7.  Standing Committee's Recommendation of Approval of AmeriPro EMS of Florida, LLC's Application for a Certificate of Public Convenience and Necessity for Ambulance Service] STANDING COMMITTEE'S RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL OF AMERIPRO EMS OF FLORIDA FOR A CERTIFICATE OF PUBLIC CONVENIENCE AND NECESSITY FOR AMBULANCE SERVICES. I BELIEVE CHIEF IS GOING TO HANDLE THAT. OH NO? COURTNEY IS GOING TO. SPEAKER: ON BEHALF OF THE CHIEF, PRESENTED TO THE STANDING COMMITTEE LAST TUESDAY WAS A REQUEST FOR APPROVAL OF A COPCN FOR AAMARE APRO. THEY WILL BE TAKE OVER FOR A BUSINESS THAT HAS A COPCN. THE STANDING COMMITTEE RECOMMENDED APPROVAL AND ISSUANCE OF THAT COPCN EFFECTIVE UPON THE BOARD'S APPROVAL WITH NO CONDITIONS. SO THAT IS BEING PRESENTED TO YOU. JUST BASED ON THEIR RECOMMENDATION WITH NO PUBLIC HEARING NECESSARY. CHAIRMAN CELLA: ALL RIGHT. ANY QUESTIONS OF OUR ATTORNEY ON WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH HERE? SPEAKER: I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT IS HERE IF YOU SHOULD HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. CHAIRMAN CELLA: I KNOW YOU DISCUSSED THIS, YOU AND COMMISSIONER BOLLA AT THE FINANCE -- [01:00:02] COMMISSIONER: WE DID AND ASKED SEVERAL QUESTIONS. ALL THE BOXES SEEM TO BE CHECKED. SEEMS LIKE A GOOD, SAFE TRANSITION. SO, WITH THAT, I WOULD MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE. COMMISSIONER: SECOND. CHAIRMAN CELLA: ANY OTHER FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES 5-0 AND IS APPROVED. I BELIEVE WE'RE RIGHT AT 5:00 ON THE NOSE. SO, WE'LL MOVE TO OUR TIME CERTAINS. WHICH MEANS, IF YOU LOOK AT YOUR AGENDA, WE'LL JUMP TO NUMBER 21. [21.  5:00 Time Certain or as soon thereafter as can be heard - Public Hearing to consider CPA 2019-06 to amend from Commercial to Rural Fringe on 0.77 acres, located at 6489 Woodland Drive, Keystone Heights (PC voted 6-0 to approve)] AT 5:00 WE'LL SWITCH TO NUMBER 21. IT IS A PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER CPA2019-06. CAROLYN ARE YOU HANDLING THAT FOR US? ALL RIGHT. THAT IS TO AMEND FROM COMMERCIAL TO RURAL .77 ACRES IN KEYSTONE HEIGHTS. WHEN YOU ARE READY, GO AHEAD. SPEAKER: THANK YOU. YES THIS IS AN APPLICATION FROM MICHAEL HUGHES TO REZONE AS YOU SAID ON .77 ACRES. THE PLANNING COMMISSION HELD A HEARING ON THE FIRST OF OCTOBER AND RECOMMENDED APPROVAL. THIS ITEM WAS READVERTISED FOR OCTOBER BECAUSE OF HURRICANE DORIAN. THIS IS THE SITE. THE COMMERCIAL WOULD ALLOW THE .40 FLOOR AREA RATIO, THE RURAL FRINGE WILL ALLOW ONE 12ING UNIT PER ACRE, THREE UNITS WITH POINTS AND UTILITIES. STAFF RECOMMENDED APPROVAL. THE PROPOSED RURAL FRINGE LAND USE. AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION ALSO RECOMMENDED APPROVAL 6-0. I DO HAVE THE COMPANION ZONING AS WELL. CHAIRMAN CELLA: ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? ARE THEY GOING TO COMBINE THIS WITH SOMETHING ELSE? SPEAKER: NO. THEY JUST WANT TO BUILD SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE. CHAIRMAN CELLA: COMMISSIONER ROLLINS? COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: I'M GOOD WITH IT. THAT'S A RESIDENTIAL AREA. IT MAKES SENSE. AND IT'S NOT WITHIN THE CITY OF KEYSTONE CITY LIMITS. SO, IN TERMS OF COMMERCIAL IT DOESN'T -- I MEAN, IT'S ALREADY A RESIDENTIAL AREA AND IT'S NOT A HIGH DENSEDY THAT WE'RE SWITCHING TO OBVIOUSLY. SO I WOULD MOVE FOR APPROVAL IF NO ONE HAS ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. OR I GUESS WE HAVE TO DO THE HEARING FIRST. CHAIRMAN CELLA: YEP. ALL RIGHT. ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? LET'S OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. DO WE HAVE THE APPLICANT? NO? DID YOU WANT TO SAY ANYTHING? NO? OKAY. I GUESS YOU REPRESENTED IT WELL COMMISSIONERS. DO WE HAVE ANY FOLKS WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS PARTICULAR ZONING ISSUE? SEEING NONE, WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND BRING IT BACK TO THE BOARD. COMMISSIONER: MOVE FOR APPROVAL. COMMISSIONER: SECOND. CHAIRMAN CELLA: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES 5-0. WE MOVE TO NUMBER [22.  5:00 Time Certain or as soon thereafter as can be heard - Final Public Hearing to Consider Rezoning Application Z-19-13 BB to RB (PC Voted 6-0 Approve)] 22. FINAL PUBLIC HEARING TO RECONSIDER ZONING APPLICATION Z-19-13. CAROLYN, ARE YOU GOING TO HANDLE THAT AS WELL? SPEAKER: YES, MR. CHAIR. THIS IS JUST A REZONING TO THE R. B. WHICH IS A RESIDENTIAL CATEGORY ON THE SAME PROPERTY. THE PLANNING COMMISSION REVIEWED IT AND VOTED 6-0 TO APPROVE IT. CHAIRMAN CELLA: OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS? NO? LET'S OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING THEN. AGAIN, ANY APPLICANT HAS ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? ALL RIGHT. HEARING NOBODY WE'LL ASK FOR ANYBODY ELSE'S COMMENTS ON NUMBER 22. SEEING NONE, WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND BRING IT BACK TO THE BOARD. COMMISSIONER: MOVE FOR APPROVAL. COMMISSIONER: SECOND. CHAIRMAN CELLA: ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY AYE. MOTION CARRIES 5-0. WE MOVE ON TO NUMBER 23. [23.  5:00 Time Certain or as soon thereafter as can be heard - Final Public Hearing to Consider a Text Amendment to the Lake Asbury Master Plan (PC Voted 5-0 Approve)] CAROLYN, ARE YOU STAYING WITH US? SPEAKER: YES I AM. THIS IS TEXT AMENDMENT. THIS IS YOU, ED, ISN'T IT? CHAIRMAN CELLA: SO THE FINAL PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER A TEXT AMENDMENT TO THE LAKE ASBURY MASTER PLAN. ED WILL HELP US CLARIFY THAT. SPEAKER: THANK YOU. WE APOLOGIZE THAT CHAD'S NOT HERE TODAY. HE HANDLED IT ORIGINALLY. UNFORTUNATELY, HE HAS HAD A VERY BAD STOMACH VIRUS. SO, WE'D RATHER HAVE HIM NOT HERE. SO, [01:05:03] I'M GOING TO AB-LIB AND JUST KIND OF GET THE -- THIS IS AN AMEND TONIGHT THE LAKE ASBURY MASTER PLAN. AND REALLY WHAT IT DOES IS CLARIFIES EXISTING POLICY THAT WE ALREADY DO. IN LAKE ASBURY MASTER PLAN WHEN IT GOT ADOPTED THE BOARD MADE A DETERMINATION THAT IF YOU HAD YOUR EXISTING ZONING YOU COULD STILL DEVELOP ACCORDING TO THAT. AND THAT WAS -- IT'S ALWAYS BEEN OUR WAY. IF YOU HAD A HAG YOU COULD STILL DO HAG OPERATIONS. BUT IT WASN'T CLEAR IN THE COMP PLAN THAT COULD BE ALLOWED FOR AG AND A R. SO THIS JUST CLARIFIES EVERYTHING. I THINK APPLICANT IS HERE TODAY. MS. FRAZIER DID APPLY FOR REPRESENTATION SHE HAS IN LAKE ASBURY. I'LL GO OVER THE LANGUAGE. BUT AGAIN THIS BASICALLY EMPHASIZES WHAT WE DO ALREADY. IT'S JUST YOU HAVE EXISTING LAND USE THAT WAS ADOPTED BEFORE LAKE ASBURY YOU ARE ALLOWED TO DEVELOP ACCORDING TO THAT. ANY CHANGES OR ADDITIONS HAVE TO DO BY LAKE ASBURY STANDARDS. THAT'S WHAT THE LANGUAGE CLEARS UP. AND SO IT'S REALLY NOT ANYTHING DIFFERENT. THE APPLICANT CAN ADDRESS THAT WHILE I DRAW THIS UP. CHAIRMAN CELLA: SO WE'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND HAVE SUSAN COME DOWN AND TALK TO US. WE HAVE A COUPLE OF FALSE STARTS. SPEAKER: SUSAN FRAZIER FLS CONSULTING 3517 PARK STREET IN JACKSONVILLE. AS YOU KNOW, I'VE VISITED WITH A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE LAKE ASBURY AREA AND I GET CALLS ALL THE TIME ABOUT CONTINUING USES IN LAKE ASBURY. SILVA CULTURE, FARM EQUIPMENT, REPAIRING YOUR BARN. AND THE LANGUAGE THAT WE'RE PROPOSING TODAY IS ACTUALLY THE SAME LANGUAGE IN THE BRANDENFIELD MASTER PLAN THAT SAYS IF YOU HAVE RURAL USES YOU GET TO CONTINUE WITH THEM UNTIL YOU DEVELOP YOUR LAND. THE STAFF HAS INTERPRETED THE PLAN THIS WAY BUT IT DOESN'T SAY THAT. SO THIS LANGUAGE REPLICATES WHAT IT SAYS IN BRANNONFIELD, LAKE ASBURY IT ALLOWS PEOPLE TO CONTINUE USING THEIR PROPERTY UNTIL THEY DO SOMETHING ELSE. LAKE ASBURY ADOPTED IN 2006. THERE'S A LOT OF LAND OUT THERE THAT IS NOT DEVELOPED. ALTHOUGH THERE'S A LOT COMING. THIS ALLOWS PEOPLE WHO HAVE OWNED PROPERTY FOR A LONG TIME TO CONTINUE THOSE RURAL USES WHICH ARE OTHERWISE NOT ALLOWED IN THE LAKE ASBURY MASTER PLAN. THANK YOU. CHAIRMAN CELLA: ANYBODY HAVE ANY YESES FOR SUSAN? >> ONE THING I CAN ADD. WE DID CHANGE ANY EXPANSION OF EXISTING BUILDING SQUARE FOOTAGE HAS TO FOLLOW THE MASTER PLAN LDRS. RIGHT NOW IT SAYS IF IT EXCEEDS 50 PERCENT OF THE SQUARE FOOTAGE. COMMISSIONER: WE'RE ALLOWING THIS NOW RIGHT? SPEAKER: PRETTY MUCH. WHAT THIS DOES IS RIGHT NOW IF YOU HAVE LESS THAN 50 PERCENT OF THE SQUARE FOOTAGE YOU CAN DEVELOP ACCORDING TO COUNTY STANDARDS. THIS IS SAYS ANY EXPANSION HAS TO LDR. THAT'S THE CHANGE. BUT WE ARE ALLOWING IT NOW BASICALLY. IT'S JUST INTERPRETS -- WE'RE ADDING AG AND AR BUT THAT WASN'T INCLUDED. SO THAT'S REALLY THE ONLY CHANGE. CHAIRMAN CELLA: ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR FRED -- ED ON THAT? DO WE HAVE ANYBODY INTERESTED ON SPEAKING ON THIS PARTICULAR TEXT CHANGE AMENDMENT? SEEING NONE WE'LL BRING IT BACK TO THE BOARD. COMMISSIONER HENDRY, I BELIEVE IT'S YOUR DISTRICT. COMMISSIONER HENDRY: I DON'T SEE A LOT OF CONTROVERSY SURROUNDING THIS. AGAIN, IT MAKES IT ACTUALLY EASIER ON A LOT OF OUR PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN LAKE ASBURY AND BRINGS IT IN LINE WITH BRANNON FIELD. SO I WOULD MAKE THE MOTION TO APPROVE THIS TEXT CHANGE. COMMISSIONER: SECOND. CHAIRMAN CELLA: ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. MOTION CARRIES 5-0. THANK [24.  5:00 Time Certain or as soon thereafter as can be heard - Final Public Hearing to Consider Rezoning Application Z-19-16 AR to PS-5 2769 CR 220 (PC Voted 5-0 to Approve)] YOU, ED. WE GO TO NUMBER 24. THIS IS THE FINAL PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER REZONING APPLICATION Z-19-16AR TO PS-5 ON COUNTY ROAD 220. CAROLYN IS LOOKING THAT UP. WE'VE HAD THAT TROUBLE THIS AFTERNOON FOR WHATEVER REASON. OUR NEXT ITEM IS NUMBER 25. I DO HAVE A NUMBER OF CARDS ON THAT. IF YOU ARE INTERESTED ON SPEAKING ON THAT ISSUE, MAKE SURE YOU GET YOUR CARD IN SO WE CAN CALL ON YEND SPEAKER: THE APPLICANT IS [01:10:33] REQUESTING ZONING FROM AR TO PS5. IT IS APPROXIMATELY THREE-AND-A-HALF TO FOUR ACRES LOCATED WITH AN URBAN CORE FUTURE LAND USE. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING CHANGE IN ZONING TO CONSTRUCT AB ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY. THE PLANNING COMMISSION VOTED TO APPROVE 6-0 ON OCTOBER 1ST. THIS IS THE PROPERTY. IT IS LOCATED ON COUNTY ROAD 220. IT'S A LITTLE BIT TO THE WEST OF GLEN LAUREL DRIVE BUT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ROAD THERE. THERE ARE OTHER PS USES ALONG 220 AS YOU CAN SEE. THE SITE IS CURRENTLY WOODED AND SPARSELY DEVELOPED. THIS IS THE SITE PLAN THAT'S REQUIRED IN PS5 THEY SUBMIT A SITE PLAN. SO THE ASSISTED LIVING IS GOING TO BE AT THE BACK END OF THE PROPERTY AND THE INDEPENDENT LIVING AT THE FRONT END OF THE PROPERTY. AND THEY HAVE TO HAVE 20 FOOT BUFFERS ON ALL SIDES. AS I SAID, THE STAFF RECOMMENDED APPROVAL AND THE PLANNING XHITH RECOMMENDED APPROVAL. CHAIRMAN CELLA: THIS IS A PUBLIC SERVICE DESIGNATION? SPEAKER: YEAH. IT'S PRIVATE SERVICES AND THIS IS FOR CONVALESCENT HOME AND ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY. CHAIRMAN CELLA: I NOTICE THERE'S PS1 ON EITHER SIDE. WHAT IS THERE? SPEAKER: I'M SORRY I CAN'T TELL YOU WHAT'S ON THE OTHER SIDE. CHAIRMAN CELLA: OKAY. SPEAKER: I DIDN'T RIGHT THE ORIGINAL RECOMMENDATION. BUT THERE'S SINGLE FAMILY I THINK ON BOTH SIDES. CHAIRMAN CELLA: AND IS THE APPLICANT HERE DO YOU KNOW? THAT'S ALL RIGHT SIR. HANG ON WE'LL GET TO YOU. I'LL ASK SOME OF THOSE QUESTIONS TO YOU INSTEAD OF CAROLYN. SPEAKER: I DON'T SEE HIM. CHAIRMAN CELLA: HE JUST RAISED HIS HAND. I AM GOING TO GET HIM UP WHEN WE GET THE PUBLIC HEARING STARTED. ANYBODY QUESTIONS FOR CAROLYN? SO, LET'S OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. COMMISSIONER: GO AHEAD I'LL ASK WHILE YOU COME DOWN, SIR. COMMISSION COMMISSIONER HENDRY: IS THAT SALVATION ARMY? SPEAKER: YES. CHAIRMAN CELLA: INTRODUCE YOURSELF. SPEAKER: ED FULLY 10625 QUAIL RIDGE DRIVE PONTE VEDRA, FLORIDA. CHAIRMAN CELLA: TELL US ABOUT YOUR PLANS FOR THAT PARTICULAR SITE. SPEAKER: IT'S BASICALLY MEANT FOR ELDERLY PEOPLE. BUT WE TRY TO MAKE IT MORE LIKE A HOME ENVIRONMENT TO WHERE IT'S MORE LIKE A BIG SINGLE FAMILY HOME. AND THERE'S GOING TO BE 30 BEDS IN THE ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY AND 24 UNITS IN THE INDEPENDENT LIVING. AND IT'S -- WE'RE NOT TRYING TO INSTITUTIONALIZE THESE KIND OF THINGS WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE THEM FEEL LIKE THEY'RE IN A HOME SETTING. CHAIRMAN CELLA: DO WE HAVE ANYTHING IN THE COUNTY THAT'S SIMILAR? SPEAKER: YEAH, YOU'VE GOT ONE I THINK OVER ON OLD JENNINGS ROAD. WE ENGINEERED ONE THAT WAS IN -- OFF KINGSLEY AVENUE. AND WE'VE DONE ABOUT 8 OF THESE IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY AND DUVAL COUNTY. IF YOU WERE TO SEE THEM FROM THE STREET IT WOULD THINK IT IS A BIG SINGLE FAMILY HOME. IT'S BELOW TRAFFIC, NOT MUCH IMPACT TO THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES AT ALL. COMMISSIONER: IS THIS A SINGLE STORY? SPEAKER: TWO STORY. YES, SIR. CHAIRMAN CELLA: ANYBODY HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS AT THIS POINT? TOTAL UNITS ARE, WHAT, 54 ALL TOGETHER? SPEAKER: YES. IT WILL BE 24 INDEPENDENT LIVING AND 30 ASSISTED LIVING. CHAIRMAN CELLA: TYPICALLY, HOW MANY FOLKS THAT LIVE IN THESE UNITS ACTUALLY DRIVE AND MAINTAIN THEIR OWN VEHICLE? SPEAKER: I'D DAY INDEPENDENT LIVING PROBABLY ABOUT 75 PERCENT. ASSISTED LIVING, VERY FEW. MAYBE FOUR OR FIVE I WOULD SAY. CHAIRMAN CELLA: USUALLY WITH THOSE TYPE OF FACILITIES YOU RUN [01:15:01] SOME KIND OF A SHUTTLE BUS TO GET THEM TO THE STORE AND STUFF. SPEAKER: YES AND THERE IS STAFF ON SITE TO TEND TO THEIR NEEDS. PREPARE MEALS AND TAKE CARE OF THEM AND THINGS LIKE THAT. CHAIRMAN CELLA: OKAY. ANYBODY HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR OUR APPLICANT? OKAY. THANK YOU, SIR. WE'LL SEE IF THERE'S ANYBODY HERE TO COMMENT ON IT AND CONTINUE OUR PUBLIC HEARING. THIS IS ITEM NUMBER 24. YES, MA'AM, IF YOU WOULD. PUBLIC SPEAKER: MY NAME IS TERESA SMITH AND I LIVE ON THE PROPERTY ADJACENT TO IT. AND I HAVE SEEN THE PLANS AND SEEN, YOU KNOW, OTHER FACILITIES AND I'M DEFINITELY IN SUPPORT OF IT. I THINK IT WILL BE AN ADDITION TO, YOU KNOW, THE COMMUNITY AND I THINK IT WOULD BE A GREAT TING TO HAVE. I MIGHT GO THERE IN THE FUTURE [LAUGHTER] CHAIRMAN CELLA: SOME OF US MAY BE JOINING YOU [LAUGHTER] IF YOU WOULD, JUST SEE TERESA TO FILL OUT A CARD, THAT WOULD BE GREAT. ANYONE ELSE? WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND BRING IT BACK TO THE BOARD. THAT'S MY DISTRICT. I AGREE WITH MISS SMITH. I THINK IT'S A -- IS THAT YOUR DISTRICT? ARE YOU SURE. COMMISSIONER HENDRY: YOU GO AHEAD. YOU CAN HAVE IT. CHAIRMAN CELLA: I HAVE NO PROBLEMS WITH THE FACILITY THERE. COMMISSIONER HENDRY: NEITHER DO I. CHAIRMAN CELLA: IS THAT A MOTION? COMMISSIONER HENDRY: IT IS. COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: SECOND. CHAIRMAN CELLA: ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES 5-0. COME TO NUMBER 25. THAT [25.  5:00 Time Certain or as soon thereafter as can be heard - Public Hearing to Consider Transmittal of CPA 2019-09 Bradley Creek Holdings, Inc.] IS THE PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER TRANSMITTAL OF THE CPA2019-09 BRADLEY CREEK HOLDINGS, INC. CAROLYN WORKING OVERTIME HERE TODAY. SPEAKER: OKAY. SORRY FOR THE DELAY. THIS IS A LARGE SCALE LAND USE AMENDMENT. IT IS PROPOSED TO REARRANGE THE LAND USE DESIGNATIONS ON 972.77 ACRES IN LAKE ASBURY. IT IS IN PLANNING DISTRICT 6. COMMISSION DISTRICT 5. MR. HENDRY'S DISTRICT. THE APPLICANT IS BRADLEY CREEK HOLDINGS. AND MR. SPOFFERD IS REPRESENTING THEM. THE PLANNING COMMISSION HELD A HEARING ON THE FIRST OF OCTOBER AND THEY RECOMMENDED APPROVAL 6-0 OF THE STAFF CONDITIONS. SO, THERE WERE SOME CONDITIONS COMPARED TO THE ORIGINAL APPLICATION. THE STAFF SUPPORTED THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSAL TO CHANGE THE LOCATION OF THE LAKE ASBURY MPC MOVING IT MORE TO THIS SIDE OF THE PROPERTY WHICH IS CURRENTLY DESIGNATED LAKE ASBURY RURAL FRINGE. THIS BEING THE MPC IN THE DARK BROWN. AND PUTTING THE RURAL FRINGE AREAS ON THIS SIDE, ON THE EAST SIDE OF BRADLEY CREEK AND ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE FREEWAY. AND THEN TO ALIGN NORTH-SOUTH 3 IN IT'S LINE. TO THE SOUTH, WHICH IS THIS ROAD HERE, THEY PROPOSE TO ALIGN IT FURTHER, CLOSER TO BRADLEY CREEK. THOSE ASPECTS OF THEIR APPLICATION PLANNING STAFF SUPPORTED AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION ULTIMATELY SUPPORTED. THE APPLICANT HAS SINCE AMENDED THEIR APPLICATION TO COMPLY WITH WHAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAD ASKED. AND SO THE REVISED FUTURE LAND USE PLAN THAT IS NOW ON THE TABLE FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION WOULD LEAVE THE VILLAGE CENTER GENERALLY AT THE INTERSECTION OF NORTH-SOUTH 3 AND EAST-WEST 1. EAST-WEST 1 GOES THIS WAY OUT TO COUNTY ROAD 209. AND NORTH-SOUTH 3 COMES DOWN FROM COUNTY ROAD 209 STRAIGHT THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF THE PROPERTY AND THEN IT WILL FOLLOW EAST-WEST 1 FOR A WAYS THEN IT COMES DOWN TO SANDRIDGE ROAD. IT USED TO TIE IN AT SILVERLAKE AND THEY'RE RECOMMENDING IT MOVE TO THE EAST AN NOT TIE IN AT THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. SO, THEY'VE MENDED IT BASED ON WHAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION WAS WILLING TO APPROVE. AND WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF CPA2019 AS AMENDED BY THE APPLICANT AT THIS TIME. CHAIRMAN CELLA: ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR CAROLYN? THIS PLAN [01:20:05] WAS ORIGINALLY, A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO, IT WAS ACTUALLY PUT INTO PLACE BEFORE THEY'VE COME BACK TO CHANGE IT RIGHT? SPEAKER: I'VE NEVER SEEN BRADLEY CREEK HOLDINGS PLAN BUT I'VE ONLY BEEN HERE TEN YEARS. SO, MAYBE YOU KNOW SOMETHING I DON'T KNOW. CHAIRMAN CELLA: BUT, I MEAN, THIS IS NOT NEW. SPEAKER: THIS IS PART OF THE LAKE ASBURY PLAN. IT'S JUST THAT THEY ARE ESSENTIALLY FLIPPING THE LOCATION OF THE RURAL FRINGE FOR THE MPC. MPC ALLOWS UP TO FIVE UNITS PER ACRE AT THE SINGLE FAMILY DENSITY. AND POTENTIALLY UP TO 12 UNITS PER ACRE TO SOME EXTENT WITH ATTACHED UNITS AND SOME APARTMENTS. THE RURAL RING ONLY ALLOWS SINGLE FAMILY. AND IT CAN GO UP TO THREE UNITS PER ACRE. SO IT'S NOT A HUGE CHANGE IN DENSITY GENERALLY SPEAKING. WE HAVE NOD LOOKED AT A SITE PLAN FOR WHAT THEY WANT TO DO EXACTLY, BUT IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE DENSITIES THAT WE HAD ANTICIPATED FOR LIKE ASBURY. IT'S JUST CHANGING THE HIGHER DENSITY CLOSER TO HENDLEY ROAD AND FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE HENDLEY ROAD BEING CLOSER TO THE FREEWAY AND CLOSE TO THE ESTABLISHED COMMERCIAL IS THE BEST. THE APPLICANTS ORIGINALLY WANTED TO MOVE THE VILLAGE CENTER TO HENDLEY ROAD AND THEY HAVE AGREED NOW TO PUT IT AT THE INTERSECTION OF NORTH-SOUTH 3 AND EAST-WEST 1 AS SHOWN SO THAT WE CAN HAVE NEIGHBORHOOD SHOPPING TO SUPPORT THIS INCREASED DENSITY WITHOUT HAVING TO BE ON HENDLEY ROAD. BUT, OF COURSE, THAT MEANS THAT WE HAVE TO BUILD THE DASHLINE ROADS. OR SOMEBODY HAS TO BUILD THE DASHLINE ROADS. OTHERWISE THAT DOESN'T WORK VERY WELL. CHAIRMAN CELLA: FOR THOSE FOLKS HERE THAT ARE INTERESTED IN THAT SPECIFIC ITEM, THE DASHLINE ROADS ARE THE RED DASHES THAT YOU SAW ON THE MAP. THOSE ROADS ARE NOT BUILT. THEY'RE PLANNED ROADS. AND THAT WOULD BE WHAT CAROLYN IS REFERRING TO THERE. SPEAKER: AND WE'RE GIVING PIECES OF THEM. WE'VE GOT A PIECE OF EAST-WEST 1 THAT'S GOING TO BE COMING IN WITH THE DEVELOPMENT THAT'S HAPPENING IN WHAT WE CALL VILLAGE PARK. AND WE'VE GOT, I THINK, A PIECE OF ALSO EAST-WEST 1 THAT WILL POTENTIALLY COME IN WITH A DEVELOPMENT THAT MR. HART IS DOING OFF OF COUNTY ROAD 209. SO, YOU KNOW, AS THE DEVELOPMENT'S COMING IN, PIECES O THESE ROADS WILL GET AT LEAST RIGHT-OF-WAY COMES INTO OUR HANDS AND IN SOME CASES THEY GET PIECES DEVELOPED. COMMISSIONER BOLLA: THESE ARE THE DEALS THAT THE DEVELOPERS ARE MAKING TO TRADE IMPACT FEES TO BUILD THE ROADS? SPEAKER: THEY DON'T GET TO TRADE. IF THE ROAD RUNS THROUGH THEIR PROPERTY -- WELL, THAT IS NOT AN IMPACT FEE. THE APF FEES F THE ROAD RUNS THROUGH THEIR PROPERTY THEY HAVE TO SET ASIDE THAT RIGHT-OF-WAY. BUT THERE'S ONLY A CERTAIN AMOUNT. THEN AT SOME POINT THE COUNTY IS GOING TO HAVE TO BE BUYING IT. COMMISSIONER BOLLA: SO THEY EXPECT US TO BUY THE PROPERTY FROM THEM TO BUILD A ROAD THROUGH THE COMMUNITY THEY'RE BUILDING? SPEAKER: WELL, THE COUNTY IN BRANDONFIELD, REQUIRED A FIVE PERCENT APF FEE. BUT IN MY EARLY TENURE HERE, THE APF FEE FROM BRANDENFIELD WAS REDUCED TO 1.35%. MAYBE YOU WANT TO LOOK AT THAT AGAIN. COMMISSIONER BOLLA: I'M JUST ASKING HOW THIS WORKS. WE HAD THE DISCUSSION BEFORE THIS MEETING ABOUT THE TRADE AND IMPACT FEES FOR ROADS INSIDE DEVELOPER'S PROJECTS. SPEAKER: WELL THE IMPACT FEE IS SOMETHING MR. LAYMAN HANDLES IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT I'VE GOTTEN INTO IT. COMMISSIONER BOLLA: THIS IS NOT -- SPEAKER: APF FEES I COLLECT THOSE CHECKS. COMMISSIONER BOLLA: IT IS A DIFFERENT POT OF MONEY? SPEAKER: YES. COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: WHEN WAS THAT REDUCED? SPEAKER: I BELIEVE 2009 OR '10. WAS THERE A SPECIFIC REASON. AN APPLICANT REQUESTED THE CHANGE. POINTED OUT FROM HER PERSPECTIVE SHE THOUGHT IT WAS AN UNWARE APPLICATION THAT NEEDED TO BE REDUCED. COMMISSIONER BOLLA: SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE HAVING THE PEOPLE THAT DON'T LIVE THERE YET PAY FOR THE ROAD FOR THE NEW PEOPLE TO MOVE IN TO. IS THAT TRUE? MAYBE WE SHOULD RELOOK AT THAT? CHAIRMAN CELLA: YOU ARE ON THE INFRASTRUCTURE COMMITTEE. I JUST HAVE A -- COMMISSIONER BOLLA: HAVE A DISCUSSION ITEM AT THE NEXT MEETING ABOUT RAISING IT TO FIVE PERCENT. I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHY IT WENT DOWN. WE'RE NOT IN A [01:25:01] MODE OF TRYING TO PROMOTE GROWTH ARE WE? CHAIRMAN CELLA: I THINK IN 2009 YOU CAN SEE THEY LOWERED IT BECAUSE THERE WAS NO GROWTH AT THAT POINT. SPEAKER: THIS GOES BACK TO THAT POLICY THAT SAYS BY SO AND SO WILL DEVELOP AN ALTERNATIVE FUNDING PLAN TO FUND THE ROADS. THAT'S NOT GETTING ANYWHERE BECAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE FIGHTING US ON THAT. I THINK FROM A STAFF LEVEL WE ARE ANTICIPATING -- TRYING TO INCREASE THAT BACK TO FIVE PERCENT TO BE CONSISTENT WITH BRANDONF BRANDONFIELD. WE HAVEN'T PROPOSED ANYTHING BUT THAT'S WHAT WE'RE THINKING ABOUT IS HALF CONSISTENCY BETWEEN THE TWO MASTER PLANS. SO THEY BOTH -- THE FIVE PERCENT. THEN WE'LL HAVE TO DETERMINE IMPACT FEE CREDITS FOR ROADS BUILT. BUT THE ONE DIFFERENCE IS TO TALK ABOUT ROADS BUILT TO SQUARE DEVELOPMENT WHICH IS KIND OF TRUE BUT THESE ROADS HAVE TO BE BUILT TO CLAY COUNTY STANDARDS SO WE CAN CONTROL THE ACCESS. THAT'S WHY WE'RE CONCERNED IF WE JUST HAVE DEVELOMENT ROADS BUILT THERE'S GOING BE HOUSES EVERY 50 FEET. SO WE WANT TO CONTROL THE ACCESS TO THE COUNTY ROADS WHICH IS WHY WE'RE LOOKING AT A DIFFERENT STANDARD FOR THEM. COMMISSIONER BOLLA: WE DON'T HAVE A MECHANISM TO CONTROL HOW THE ROADS ARE BUILT? SPEAKER: IF IT IS A DEVELOPMENT ROAD NO. IF IT'S COUNTY ROADS, YES. COMMISSIONER BOLLA: BUT THEY'LL MAINTAIN THEM FOREVER. SPEAKER: NOT THESE COUNTY ROADS. THOSE WILL BE ROADS WE'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE MAINTENANCE OF. COMMISSIONER BOLLA: IF WE CAN SET STANDARDS ON HOW THE HOUSES ARE BUILT WHY CAN'T WE SET STANDARDS ON HOW THE ROAD IS BUILT? SPEAKER: THERE ARE STANDARDS ON HOW THE ROADS ARE BUILT THEN WE ACTUALLY HAVE THE DASH LINES WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO BE PLACED. COMMISSIONER BOLLA: RIGHT TO OUR PLAN. THEN THEY BUILD TO OUR SPEC. COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: BUT THEY AREN'T NECESSARILY BUILDING THE ROADS. A LOT OF THESE THEY'RE JUST GIVING US THE APF AND THEY GET CREDIT FOR DONATING US THE LAND. THEN WE WILL COME BACK IN AND BUILD THE ROAD. >> THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN 1.35% IS WHAT THEY GIVE. THEY GET NO IMPACT CREDIT FOR THAT. THAT'S HOW IT'S WRITTEN AND WE WANT TO WORK ON THAT LANGUAGE. COMMISSIONER BOLLA: I THINK IT OUGHT TO BE UP TO FIVE PERCENT. SPEAKER: THANK YOU. WE AGREE. CHAIRMAN CELLA: PERCENT OF WHAT? SPEAKER: IT'S TWO WAYS TO LOOK AT IT. IF THEY HAVE NO APF ROADS GOING THROUGH THEIR PROPERTY THEY PAY 1.5 PERCENT OF THE ASSESSED VALUE OF THE PROPERTY. IF THEY DO THEY GET 1.35% OF THE NECESSARY RIGHT-OF-WAY. IF THEY HAVE 100 ACRES THEY GET 1.35 ACRES OF RIGHT-OF-WAY. COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: IF WE SAID WE'RE NOT GOING TO BUILD THAT ROAD IT'S NOT GOING TO WORK OUT WELL FOR THEIR COMMUNITY. SPEAKER: AT THE END OF THE DAY THEY'LL BUILD THE ROAD. BUT IT WON'T INTERCONNECT. WON'T BE AT COUNTY ROAD STANDARDS. IT WILL HAVE DRIVEWAYS. IT WILL BE INEFFICIENT TO CARRY TRAFFIC. SO THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE. WE WANT TO CONTROL THE AMOUNT OF DRIVEWAYS. IN FACT, IN VILLAGE PARK RIGHT NOW THERE ARE NO DRIVEWAY CONNECTIONS TO THAT. ONLY INTERSECTIONS. WE DON'T WANT TO SEE DRIVEWAYS EVERY 50 FEET END UP LIKE BLANDING BOULEVARD. WE WANT CONTROLLED ACCESS TO THOSE ROADS. WHEREAS THEY'RE DRIVEWAY ROADS THEY HAVE TO HAVE ACCESS TO EACH LOT. THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO. WE WANT TO WORK WITH YOU. WE WANT TO WORK WITH YOU ON GETTING THIS LANGUAGE BECAUSE WE RECOGNIZE THAT THE INCONSISTENCIES WITHIN LAKE ASBURY AND BRANDONFIELD ARE NOT CONDUCIVE TO GOOD DEVELOPMENT IN LAKE ASBURY. COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: IF I COULD MAKE A POINT -- SPEAKER: IF YOU LOOK AT THIS ROAD CONNECTING FROM HENDLEY TO SANDRIDGE, THAT KEEPS A LOT OF PEOPLE OFF THE CORNER WHERE YOU HAVE THE SCHOOLS. SO, THERE'S A PUBLIC INTEREST, PUBLIC BENEFIT KEEPING THAT TRAFFIC PUSHED BACK AND PEOPLE CAN CUT THROUGH INSTEAD OF COMING TO THE CORNER OF HENDLEY AND SANDRIDGE. SPEAKER: THE PURPOSE OF THE DASH LINE ROADS ARE TO DEVELOP A GREAT SYSTEM. WE HAVE VERY FEW ROADS. YOUR DEVELOPMENT'S NOT GOING TO BE SERVED WELL UNTIL YOU GET A GRID SYSTEM GOING. THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THE DASHLINE ROADS. SPEAKER: IF I MAY ADD. ED'S TALKED ABOUT CHANGING THAT VERBIAGE FROM THE 1.35% BACK TO 5%. WE ALREADY INTERNALLY HAVE BEEN HAVING THOSE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT HOW TO MAKE THAT SYSTEM WORK FOR EVERYBODY. I WOULD SAY THAT YOU ARE GOING TO SEE THAT ONE OF OUR AGENDAS SOONER RATHER THAN LATER. WE'VE ALREADY BEEN WORKING ON IT. JUST FYI. COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: AT THAT POINT DO HEY TO HAVE MAKE THAT COMMITMENT? THIS PARTICULAR ONE? SPEAKER: AT THE DEVELOPMENT APPROVAL STAGE. DEVELOPMENT REVIEW COMMITTEE THEY'LL BE REQUESTED TO GET THAT BEFORE THEY GIVE ANY PLANS THEY'LL HAVE TO CONTRIBUTE THE RIGHT-OF-WAY. COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: FOR LAY PEOPLE, IS THIS CONSIDERED DEVELOPMENT REVIEW? SPEAKER: NOT AT THIS TIME. WHEN [01:30:03] THEY COME IN BEFORE THEY GET APPROVAL THEY'LL HAVE TO CONTRIBUTE THE RIGHT-OF-WAY. OR IF THEY DIDN'T HAVE ANY DASH LINE ROADS THEY WOULD HAVE TO PAY 1.35% OF THE ASSESSED VALUE. COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: I QUESTION TO FELLOW BOARD MEMBERS IF WE WANT THEM TO TAKE THE DIRECTION AND MOVE TO 5% AND WE STILL HAVE PROCESS TO GO DO WE WANT TO PUT PEOPLE ON NOTICE IT'S COMING AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO APPROVE ANYMORE AT 1.35 OR WHATEVER BECAUSE OUR INTENTION IS TO INCREASE IT? CHAIRMAN CELLA: YES. AT LEAST THAT'S MY ANSWER. I CAN'T SPEAK FOR ANYBODY. COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: YEAH. IT'S GOT TO AT LEAST COME CLOSE TO PAYING FOR ITSELF. COMMISSIONER BOLLA: AND MAYBE 5% ISN'T EVEN THE RIGHT LEVEL. CHAIRMAN CELLA: RIGHT. COMMISSIONER BOLLA: WHAT'S ST. JOHNS DOING? SPEAKER: THEY NEGOTIATE ON A CASE-BY-CASE BASIS. MOST OF THE ROADS BUILT IN ST. JOHNS ARE WITH DEVELOPMENTS OF REGIONAL IMPACT WHICH ARE NOT MORE THE LEGISLATURE GOT RID OF THOSE. BUT THAT'S WHERE YOU ARE SEEING THE ROAD BUILT IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY FOR THE MOST PART ARE THROUGH DRIS. WE DON'T HAVE THAT ABILITY. WE HAVE GOVERNOR'S PARK AND SARATOGA SPRINGS THEY ARE GOING TO BUILD THE ROADS. DRIS WERE EFFECTIVE IN GETTING PEOPLE TO BUILD THE ROADS. SMALLER PROJECTS ARE INEFFECTIVE BECAUSE IT'S MORE PIECEMEAL. SO, WE'RE TRYING TO DO A BETTER JOB AND RAISING IT TO FIVE PERCENT GETS US THERE BUT I DON'T THINK IT GETS US ALL THE WAY. SO WE NEED TO CONTINUE TO WORK ON ALL THAT LANGUAGE. COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: I GUESS MY CONCERN IS IF WE'RE CHARGING IMPACT FEES ALL THAT IS BEING USED IN THIS INTERNALLY IN THE SUBDIVISION IT HASN'T DONE A THING TO HELP US WITH THE IMPACT SURROUNDING. SPEAKER: THAT'S WHAT MR. PRICE WAS TALKING ABOUT. IF WE DO GIVE CREDIT FOR IMPACT FEES THAT MONEY GOES TO PAY [INAUDIBLE] WHICH IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE IT WILL DEFLECT TRAFFIC OFF SANDRIDGE. AS WE SAW ON THE COMMITTEE, SANDRIDGE IS 1.56. WITH THAT WE'RE GOING TO NEED MORE THAN FOUR LANES OUT THERE. WE'RE GOING TO NEED THAT GRID SYSTEM. WE HAVE TO START BUILDING ALTERNATIVE PARALLEL FACILITIES. WE CAN'T COUNT ON THE DEVELOPERS BECAUSE IT'S A TOO PIECEMEAL. THE COUNTY IS GOING TO TO HAVE TO STEP UP. COMMISSIONER BOLLA: BUT THE COUNTY IS RUNNING OUT OF MONEY. WE'VE RAISED TAXES AS FAR AS WE'RE GOING GO. THE OTHER THING IS TO LET THE DEVELOPERS PAY FOR IT. IF THEY WANT TO DEVELOP HERE LET THEM PAY FOR IT. [APPLAUSE] SPEAKER: THAT'S WHAT IMPACT FEES AND THE FIVE PERCENT HOPEFULLY IS FOR. COMMISSIONER BOLLA: BUT THE FEES AREN'T GOING TO WHERE WE NEED THEM TO GO. SPEAKER: IT DEPENDS. YOU WOULD HAVE TO AGREE TO THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS. COMMISSIONER BOLLA: WHO MAKES THE AGREEMENTS? SPEAKER: YOU APPROVE THEM. COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: WE NEED TO GIVE YOU INSTRUCTIONS GOING FORWARD. COMMISSIONER BOLLA: MY FEELING IS WE NEED THE MONEY LET'S PUT IT WHERE IT WAS AT LEAST YOU KNOW. WE'RE NOT IN A POSITION TO BE -- WE'RE CERTAINLY NOT TRYING TO SPUR GROWTH HERE AT THIS POINT. WE'VE GOT TWO PAGES OF REZONING HERE. THE SNOWBALL IS COMING DOWN THE HILL AT US BIG TIME. IF WE DON'T GET THIS STUFF IN PLACE NOW, AND I DON'T KNOW WHY WE HAVE TO -- YOU KNOW I I A ASSUME THERE'S OTHER THINGS YOU GOT TO LOOK AT BUT DO THIS BY THE NEXT MEETING OR SOMEBODY. GET IT ON SO WE CAN DISCUSS IT. I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY PROBLEM, DOES ANYBODY DISAGREE WITH RAISING THIS THING? COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: I DON'T THINK ANYONE DISAGREES BUT THIS PARTICULAR VOTE IS ON TO -- WHETHER THE DENSITY OVERALL ISN'T INCREASED OR DECREASED IT'S THE SAME IT'S JUST WHERE IT'S LOCATED. CHAIRMAN CELLA: AS FAR AS NUMBER 25. COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: YOU ARE TALKING IN GENERAL. AND I AGREE. CHAIRMAN CELLA: I THINK WE CAN GIVE STAFF DIRECTS TO MOVE FORWARD FROM THIS DATE MOVING FORWARD PEOPLE COME IN THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DEAL WITH AN INCREASE AND WE'LL LET THEM KNOW WHAT THE INCREASE IS AS THEY GET TO DEVELOPMENT REVIEW. JUST LIKE WE DID WITH THE -- COMMISSIONER BOLLA: AND WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS YET BUT IT'S GOING TO GO UP. CHAIRMAN CELLA: PRETTY MUCH LIKE IN TERMS OF THEM TAKING CARE OF THEIR OWN ROADS. BUT THEY CAN EXPECT THERE'S GOING TO BE INCREASE. COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: PER MY CALCULATION -- SORRY, GUY AHEAD. CHAIRMAN CELLA: I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THEY NOTED THAT. COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: THERE WILL BE 219 REUSS RESIDENCES WITH A NEW PLAN. CHAIRMAN CELLA: FLIPPING THEM. WE'LL GET BACK TO THE APF ROADS. I SEE WE MOVED IT. I SEE WHY THEY WOULD WANT TO MOVE IT TO WHERE IT IS IN THE PLAN THEY'RE ASKING FOR APPROVAL OF TODAY. THE LAST TIME IT WAS OPPOSITE AT SILVER CREEK THAT THEN FORMED AN INTERSECTION. NOT GOOD OR GOOD? SPEAKER: I THINK THE REASON IT'S MOVED IS WHERE IT WAS IT KIND OF BIFURCATED THAT PROJECT. THIS WAY IT RUNS CLOSER TO THE WETLANDS. SO IT'S KIND OF A BETTER LOCATION FOR THE ROAD AS FAR AS THE PROJECT GOES. BUT I'LL LOOK TO DALE. IF THE HIGHS IT'S BETTER TO HAVE A FOUR-WAY WITH A SUBDIVISION OR WHETHER [01:35:01] IT'S BETTER TO HAVE OFF-SET. I THINK THERE'S ENOUGH SPACING BETWEEN SILVER CREEK AND THIS THAT WOULD OPERATE EFFICIENTLY. SOMETIMES WHEN YOU HAVE SUBDIVISIONS HOOK UP WITH A MAJOR ROAD, IT'S PROBLEMATIC FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE SUBDIVISION. CHAIRMAN CELLA: OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ED. SPEAKER: THE APPLICANT IS HERE AND THEY DO HAVE A PRESENTATION. CHAIRMAN CELLA: WE'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING THEN CALL THEM DOWN. COME ON DOWN. SPEAKER: FOR THE RECORD I'M RAY SPOFFORD, JACKSONVILLE, . HERE AS THE AGENT FOR THE LANDOWNER, BRADLEY CREEK HOLDINGS. WITH ME TODAY IS ALAN SKINNER WHO IS REPRESENTING THE LANDOWNERS. IT IS A FAMILY-OWNED LAND. IT'S BEEN PURCHASED SINCE ABOUT 1997 IN DIFFERENT PARCELS. AND THEY'VE COMBINED THE PARCELS. IT IS ABOUT 972 ACRES IN SIZE. KIND OF HARD TO FOLLOW THAT PREVIOUS DISCUSSION [LAUGHTER] SO AS YOU KNOW LAKE ASBURY MASTER PLAN WAS ADOPTED WAY BACK IN 2004. AND PROVIDED A LOT OF STANDARDS FOR DEVELOPMENT BUT ALSO PROVIDED A LOT OF DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS THROUGHOUT THE AREA. SO ON THIS AERIAL, THE PROPERTY'S OUTLINED IN YELLOW. YOU CAN SEE THE FIRST COAST EXPRESSWAY IS IN GREEN AND BUY FER CATES THE PROPERTY. RUSSELL ROAD TOSS THE NORTH AND EAST. SANDRIDGE TO THE SOUTH. AND HENDLEY TO THE WEST. THIS SHOWS A COUPLE OF THE APPROVED PROJECTS SO FAR THAT WERE REFERENCED EARLIER. VILLAGE PARK ON THE NORTHWEST CORNER. THEN THE PROPERTY TO THE EAST. THOSE TWO PROJECTS HAVE PLAN FOR THE EAST-WEST ROAD ALREADY. AND THE LINE WORK ON THERE JUST SHOWS THE ALIGNMENT OF THAT FUTURE APF OR ADEQUATE PUBLIC FACILITY ROAD ALIGNMENT. AND THE SAME WILL HAPPEN WITHIN THIS SITE AS THE PROJECT GOES FORWARD. THIS ZOOMS IN JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE. AS YOU CAN SEE, THE MAJORITY OF THE DEVELOPMENT IN THE AREA IS TO THE SOUTHWEST OF THE PROPERTY. UTILITIES ARE AVAILABLE IN THAT AREA AS WELL. AND THERE IS A COUPLE OF SMALL PIECES OF LAND JUST NORTH OF THE EXPRESSWAY BETWEEN RUSSELL ROAD AND THE FIRST COAST EXPRESSWAY. THERE'S NO PROPOSED CHANGE IN THE LAND USE ON THOSE TWO PARCELS. CAROLYN SHOWED THIS EARLIER. THIS IS THE CURRENT ADOPTED LAND USE MAP. IT HAS RURAL FRINGE WEST OF BRADLEY CREEK AND MASTER PLAN COMMUNITY TO THE EAST SIDE OF BRADLEY CREEK WITH THE VILLAGE CENTER IN THE MIDDLE. PART OF THAT VILLAGE CENTER WAS MOVED TO THE INTERCHANGE AT THE FIRST COAST EXPRESSWAY A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO. AND SO IT'S ADJACENT TO THE VILLAGE PARK PROPERTY. THE LANDOWNERS REALLY BROUGHT US ON TO DO THE MASTER PLANNING FOR THE SITE AND GET IT READY FOR DEVELOPMENT. IT'S COUPLE YEARS AWAY. SO, ONE OF THE THINGS WE LOOKED AT IS BECAUSE OF THE BIFURCATION OF THE PROPERTY BY THE FIRST COAST EXPRESSWAY, THERE'S REALLY NO ACCESS TO THE EAST SIDE OF BRADLEY CREEK. AND THEN THEEST WEST SIDE HAS EXISTING FRONTAGE ON HENDLEY ROAD AND SANDRIDGE ROAD. WE'RE ALSO DOING ENVIRONMENTAL PERMITTING LOOKING AT THE WETLANDS AND FLAGGING WETLAND LINES SO WE UNDERSTAND BETTER WHERE THOSE ARE AT. SO, INITIALLY THE PROPOSED CHANGES, THERE WERE FOUR, WHICH WERE REARRANGING THE LAND USES OF MASTER PLANNING COMMUNITY AND RURAL FRINGE THEN ADDING GREENWAY AS WELL. BASED ON OUR WETLAND DELINEATION. SO, THERE IS -- YOU ARE CORRECT, THERE'S NO INCREASE IN OVERALL DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS. WE'RE JUST MOVING IT AROUND. WE WANTED TO REALIGN NORTH SOUTH 3 AT SANDWICH AND RELOCATE THE VILLAGE CENTER AT HENDLEY. THAT'S BEEN ELIMINATED. AND WE'RE LIMB NATED THE NORTH SOUTH 3 TO REMOVE IT. SO THIS IS A WETLANDS MAP. YOU CAN SEE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PROPERTY WHERE THE VILLAGE CENTER WAS THERE'S WETLANDS CONNECTED. THEY'RE HIGH QUALITY WETLANDS CONNECTED TO BRADLEY CREEK. AND THOSE WOULD BE PRESERVED WITH THE RECONFIGURATION OF THE VILLAGE CENTER. SO, WE'LL BE KEEPING THAT WHERE IT IS. SO, OUR APPLICATION AS AMENDED IS CONSISTENT WITH THE STAFF [01:40:02] RECOMMENDATION, THE PLANNING COMMISSIONER: RECOMMENDATION, AND WE'RE JUST MOVING THE RIGHTS AROUND. WE'RE NOT INCREASING RIGHTS. AND WE WOULD LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU ON THE APF ROADS, THE REALIGNMENT OF THE APF ROAD ON THE SOUTH SIDE DOES PROVIDE A LARGER CONTIGUOUS PARCEL. IT ALSO ELIMINATES A LOT OF TURNING MOVEMENT CONFLICTS IF YOU HAD DEVELOPMENT ON BOTH SIDES. SO, IT IS A BETTER SCENARIO FOR PEDESTRIANS AND BICYCLISTS AND PROVIDES A NICE PARKWAY FEEL ALONG THE GREENWAY OF BRADLEY CREEK. SO, WITH THAT, I'LL STAND FOR ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. CHAIRMAN CELLA: ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER HENDRY. COMMISSIONER HENDRY: I HAD MET WITH THIS GENTLEMAN EARLIER AND I HAD A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS WHICH I'LL SHARE WITH THE BOARD WAS THE STATUS OF BRADLEY CREEK. I WAS PLEASED TO SEE IT BUILT INTO THEIR PROJECT WAS A BUFFER THAT KEPT BRADLEY CREEK MORE OR LESS A GREENWAY AND NATURE TRAIL. AND THERE WILL BE SOME LENGTHS GONE TO MAKE SURE THAT CREEK MAINTAINS ITS PRISTINE STATUS BECAUSE IT IS A VERY PRETTY CREEK. MOST OF THE SPOTS ARE ANYWAY. AND THE PART ABOUT MOVING THE BUSINESS CENTER OFF HENDLEY. I THINK THAT WAS A GOOD MOVE. AND WAS ANOTHER INTERESTING THING THAT CAUGHT ME ATTENTION. AND I THINK WE'RE STILL LOOKING AT, WHAT, THREE INGRESS, EGRESS SERVING THAT PARTICULAR SUBDIVISION? OR IS IT TWO? SPEAKER: THERE'S THE FUTURE ROAD WAY NETWORK SHOWN IN THE DASHLINE ROADS WOULD PROVIDE REALLY FOUR FUTURE ACCESS POINTS. AND WE WOULD ALSO LIKELY HAVE ANOTHER ACCESS POINT OUT TO HENDLEY ROAD THROUGH THE MASTER PLANNED COMMUNITY THAT'S SHOWN ON THAT MAP. SO, REALLY BE FIVE ACCESS POINTS. AND THAT HELPS TO DISTRIBUTE THE TRAFFIC AND PROVIDE CONNECTIVITY THROUGH THE SITE. SO IT'S NOT JUST THE RESIDENTS OF THIS FUTURE DEVELOPMENT. COMMISSIONER HENDRY: AND IT STEERS IT AWAY FROM HENDLEY AND SANDRIDGE AND THE SCHOOL AREA WHICH IS A POSITIVE. SPEAKER: THAT'S CORRECT. CHAIRMAN CELLA: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR OUR APPLICANT? COMMISSIONER BOLLA: I ALSO MET WITH THE GENTLEMAN AND I THINK IT IS A GOOD DEVELOPMENT. CHAIRMAN CELLA: WE SHOULD POINT OUT THAT THE LANDOWNER THAT IS PUTTING THINGS IN PLACE. THEY'VE NOT SOLD THIS PROPERTY. SO, THERE'S NO HOMES THAT ARE SCHEDULED TO BE ON THIS AT ANY PARTICULAR TIME AT THIS POINT AND TIME. SPEAKER: THAT'S CORRECT. THEY'RE PROBABLY AT LEAST TWO YEARS AWAY TO GET THROUGH PERMITTING, DESIGN AND ACTUAL CONSTRUCTION. CHAIRMAN CELLA: ALL RIGHT. WE DO HAVE FOLKS THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK. THANK YOU, SIR. STANDBY. AND I PUT THEM IN ORDER. LORI HOLLAND, IF YOU ARE HERE. AND MR. RIZZO, STEVE RIZZO, YOU WILL BE ON DECK. PUBLIC SPEAKER: HI. MY NAME IS LORI HOLLAND. I LIVE AT 2867 [INAUDIBLE] STREET IN LAKE ASBURY. HI COMMISSIONER HENDRY. I'VE BEEN A PAIN IN YOUR BACKSIDE. COMMISSIONER HENDRY: NOT A BIT. I CAN PUT A FACE WITH A VOICE NOW. PUBLIC SPEAKER: AMEN. I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE DEVELOPERS GETTING -- THEY DON'T LIVE IN LAKE ASBURY. THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE AFFECTED BY THE APPEARANCE OR WHATEVER OF THE ROADS OUT THERE. NOW, IS HENDLEY GOING TO HAVE LIGHTS ALL DOWN IT WITH BUILDINGS OR STORES OR WHATEVER GONNA BE ON THAT? THE SAME WITH SANDRIDGE. YOU DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO STOP AT EVERY OTHER BLOCK TO TRY TO GET TO YOUR DESTINATION. SOME OF THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THOSE SUBDIVISIONS OFF OF SANDRIDGE, HOW ARE THEY GOING TO TURN LEFT TO GO TOWARDS THE SCHOOLS TO GET THEIR CHILDREN IF IT'S OVERLY CROWDED WITH ALL THE STORES AND THINGS LIKE THAT? AND ANOTHER THING THAT I WANTED TO ASK ABOUT AND IT CAME UP IN THE 4:00 MEETING BUT I DIDN'T GET CALLED SO IT WAS ABOUT THE SO LITE PLANT. THERE WAS TALK ABOUT ONE OF THE VILLAGE CENTERS GOING ON THE SO LITE PROPERTY. I JUST WANT TO GET IT FROM YOU THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. [01:45:01] CHAIRMAN CELLA: WELL THIS PARTICULAR SITE HAS NOTHING DO WITH THE SO LITE. SPEAKER: YOU CAN SEE IT ON THE MAP HERE. THERE IS THE VILLAGE CENTER PLANNED ON THE AREA TO THE WEST OF THE SPUR. THAT'S SO LITE LAND NEVER DISTURBED BY ACTIVITY. IT'S CLEANED. AND THAT VILLAGE CENTER HAS BEEN THERE SINCE LAKE ASBURY WAS ESTABLISHED. PUBLIC SPEAKER: WELL I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE MIGHT NOT BE OLD ENOUGH BUT YOU HAVE THINGS LIKE LOVE KNAPP HAPPENED BACK IN THE '70S. AU WANTS TO START PUTTING PEOPLE, BUILDINGS, STORES -- PEOPLE BRING THEIR CHILDREN THERE TO VISIT. AND IT'S GOING TO BE DISTURBED WHEN IT'S CONSTRUCTED. COMMISSIONER HENDRY: WHY DON'T YOU STICK AROUND BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO ADDRESS THAT IN A SHORT FEW MINUTES AND WE CAN GO IN DEPTH ON THAT. PUBLIC SPEAKER: OKAY THANK YOU. AND THERE'S THE EASY BASE CHEMICAL IN SOME OF THE LAND THAT'S CONCERNING. ON THE GIRL SCOUT PROPERTY THAT WASN'T SUPPOSED TO BE DISTURBED AND NOW IT IS GOING TO BE DISTURBED AM COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: GIRL SCOUTS IS IN MY DISTRICT AND THAT'S NOT BEFORE US. THEY WITHDREW THEIR APPLICATION. IT'S STILL A GIRL SCOUT CAMP. COMMISSIONER HENDRY: THERE'S NO MINING THERE. PUBLIC SPEAKER: FOR THIS MOMENT IN TIME. LIKE I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT THE EXPRESSWAY WAS GOING TO GO ACROSS SANDRIDGE. IN THE 2000S. AND THERE WASN'T GOING TO BE AN EXCHANGE. I DON'T KNOW WHEN THAT HAPPEND. COMMISSIONER HENDRY: IT'S NOT. PUBLIC SPEAKER: WHEN THE EXCHANGE WAS PLANNED IN TO IT. I DIDN'T EVEN BECOME AWARE OF THAT UNTIL IT WAS TOO LATE. COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: THERE'S NO INTERCHANGE. CHAIRMAN CELLA: ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE INTERCHANGE ON SANDRIDGE? PUBLIC SPEAKER: ON THE HIGHWAY, THE TOLL ROAD GOES OVER SANDRIDGE, BUT WHEN IT GETS TO HENDLEY IT'S GOING BE A MESS. CHAIRMAN CELLA: THERE IS AN INTERCHANGE AT HENDLEY. PUBLIC SPEAKER: SO I WAS MADE AWARE OF THAT WHEN IT GOT TOO LATE TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT. SO, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW WHERE THINGS ARE GOING TO POP UP OUT OF A BOX LIKE A JACK IN THE BOX AND GET US BECAUSE Y'ALL SAY AT THIS TIME THERE'S NONE, BUT IT COULD BE DONE COVERTLY FOR ALL I KNOW. I MEAN, I'M JUST WORRIED ABOUT -- CHAIRMAN CELLA: WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT SOLITE AFTER WE GET DONE WITH THE PLANNING AND ZONING ISSUES. IF YOU PLEASE STAY AROUND. PUBLIC SPEAKER: JUST ONE MORE QUESTION. ARE YOU ALL GOING TO BE PUTTING TWO-STORY BUILDINGS FOR COMMERCIAL PROPERTY ON HENDLEY OR SANDRIDGE? BECAUSE I AM AFRAID THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF TRAFFIC LIGHTS. IT'S GOING TO MAKE IT ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO GET AROUND. CHAIRMAN CELLA: I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY TWO-STORY COMMERCIAL TYPE FACILITIES ON SANDRIDGE AT THIS POINT AND TIME. PUBLIC SPEAKER: WELL I DON'T KNOW EITHER THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING. CHAIRMAN CELLA: THERE'S NO APPLICATION. ED WOULD HAVE TO TELL US WHETHER THERE'S A POSSIBILITY FOR ZONING FOR THAT. SPEAKER: THE ONE THING THIS DOES IS TAKES THE VILLAGE CENTER AND TAKES IT AWAY FROM THERE. WE DON'T WANT TO SEE COMMERCIAL ALONG HENDLEY ANYMORE THAN ANYONE ELSE DOES AS FAR AS THE STRIP COMMERCIAL. IF IT'S WELL PLANNED, MAYBE, BUT NOT THE STRIP COMMERCIAL YOU SEE ON OTHER ROADS. PUBLIC SPEAKER: BECAUSE I WOULD HAVE MOVED TO ORANGE PARK IF I WANTED TO LIVE ON WELLS ROAD OR BLANDING. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER HENDRY: YOU ARE GOOD ON THE LOW INCOME HOUSING THOUGH RIGHT? WE GOT THAT RESOLVED? PUBLIC SPEAKER: I DON'T KNOW. BUT I'M JUST GOING -- RIGHT NOW TAKE YOUR WORD FOR IT BECAUSE I TRUST YOU. I MEAN, YOU GOT A DISTINGUISHED CAREER. I MEAN, I KNOW THAT I DON'T KNOW BUT I TRUST YOU. COMMISSIONER HENDRY: AND I TRUST ALL THE PEOPLE IN THIS ROOM. THEY WOULDN'T BE WORKING FOR US. IF THEY TELL ME NO THAT'S THE ONLY THING I CAN TELL YOU AT THIS POINT AND TIME. PUBLIC SPEAKER: WELL YOU HAVE YOUR OWN NOMENCLATURE IT'S HARD FOR A LAY CITIZEN TO -- COMMISSIONER HENDRY: IT'S HARD FOR ME TO BE HONEST WITH YOU. PUBLIC SPEAKER: IT'S HARD TO UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE ALL ARE TALKING ABOUT BECAUSE YOU TALK LEE THE MILITARY IN ACRONYMS AND THINGS. IT'S NOT EASY FOR US OUT HERE. COMMISSIONER HENDRY: UNDERSTAND. CHAIRMAN CELLA: MR. RIZZO? PUBLIC SPEAKER: GOOD EVENING. STEVE RIZZO 1033 LAKE ASBURY DRIVE. COMMISSIONERS, THANKS [01:50:01] FOR YOUR SERVICE. YOU'VE DONE A LOT OF GOOD WORK AND EVEN GETTING TO KNOW YOU A LITTLE BIT WATCHING YOU TODAY. I AM A LITTLE RELIEVED THAT MR. BOLLA YOU ARE HOLDING THE DEVELOPER'S FEET TO THE FIRE TO FUND SOME OF THESE ROADS AND ALSO CONGRATULATIONS ON FIGHTING DOWN THAT SOLITE DEVELOPMENT. I REALLY WANT TO THANK YOU FOR THAT. I HOPE YOU CAN DO IN KIND WITH THIS PROJECT HERE. MY MAIN CONCERN IS THAT THE FEEDER ROADS INTO THE LAKE ASBURY AREA ARE ALREADY OVERCROWDED. 209 WESTBOUND TO HENDLEY ROAD SOUTH AS WELL AS 17 EASTBOUND TO -- I'M SORRY. 209 EASTBOUND TO 17TH NORTH. TRAFFIC IS INCREDIBLE THERE. AND I'M VERY FEARFUL THAT IT'S GOING TO GET WORSE AS OUR POPULATION EXPLODES. YOU HAVE SAID THAT YOU ARE REALLY NOT PRO GROWTH BUT WITH THE AMOUNT OF DEVELOPMENT THAT'S HAPPENING IN THE AREA WE KIND OF ARE. AND I THINK WE NEED TO DO IT SLOW AND RESPONSIBLE. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE CURRENT INFRASTRUCTURE SUPPORT THE NEW GROWTH BEFORE THE INCREASE IN POPULATION HAPPENS NOT AFTER, WHEN IT'S ALREADY DOUBLY CROWDED THEN WE HAVE TO CLOSE A LANE, GO ONE WAY TRAFFIC WITH FLAG MEN AS WE'RE EXPANDING. IF WE CAN BE MORE PROA PROACTIVE. I KNOW WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF MONEY AND I LIKE THE IDEA OF GOING AFTER DEVELOPERS NOT JUST FOR THE DASHLINE ROADS. THEY'RE HELP THE DEVELOPERS GET PEOPLE IN AND OUT OF THEIR DIVISIONS, BUT THEY'RE GOING TO CROWD THE ROADWAYS THAT I JUST DESCRIBED AS WELL AS ALL OF SANDRIDGE AND ALL OF 209. I THINK YOU SHOULD CONSIDER USING THE IMPACT FEES -- FIRST OF ALL, RAISE IT. SECOND OF ALL, USE THOSE FUNDS FOR THE EXISTING ROADS FIRST SO THAT WE CAN GET PEOPLE IN AND OUT OF THE AREA. AND, IF WE CAN'T DO THAT BECAUSE YOU DON'T RECEIVE THE IMPACT FUNDS UNTIL THE HOUSE IS SOLD, HAVE THE DEVELOPERS FRONT A ZERO PERCENT INTEREST BOND. GIVE US THAT MONEY FOR THE ROAD. AND THEN WHEN THE LIGHTS GET TURNED ON, THE DEVELOPERS COULD HAVE THE IMPACT FEE. SHELL GAME OR COME UP WITH ANY SUITABLE STRATEGY BUT IT'S FIND THE MONEY TO DO THAT. YOU REPRESENT US. I'M SPEAKING FOR MANY, MANY PEOPLE WHEN I SAY WE NEED THOSE ROADS FIXED FIRST. COMMISSIONER: WE JUST HAD A MEETING ON THIS ONE ON ROADS THAT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED. THAT MAP, THOSE ARE THE FIVE AREAS WE'RE LOOKING FIXING UP RIGHT AWAY. PUBLIC SPEAKER: BUT THE YEAR 2034 OR 2045, I CAN'T REMEMBER, TO EXPAND 220 IS NOT GOING TO WORK. YOU KNOW, IT NEEDS TO HAPPEN IN 2019 OR 2020. COMMISSIONER BOLLA: IT'S GOING TO BE FIVE YEARS BEFORE WE GET ANYTHING REAL IN THE GROUND. PUBLIC SPEAKER: I DON'T THINK WE CAN WAIT FIVE YEARS. I THINK YOU WILL HEAR FROM MY NEIGHBORS, TOO, COMING UP. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. CHAIRMAN CELLA: THANK YOU, SIR. IS IT BESS LYNCH? PUBLIC SPEAKER: HI. MY NAME IS BETH LYNCH. MY ADDRESS 6495 FERN STREET IN FLEMING ISLAND. I HAVE LIVED HERE FOR OVER 34 YEARS. AND IT'S BECAUSE OF THAT THAT I FEEL SO PASSIONATE. THIS IS MY FIRST TIME COMING TO A MEETING LIKE THIS. AND I'M RELIEVED -- I KNOW MR. HENDRY, COMMISSIONER HENDRY AND MS. PARISH. I AM SO RELIEVED BECAUSE I KNOW YOU ALL HAVE OUR BEST IDEAS AT HEART. SO I JUST TELL YOU THINGS THAT I'VE BEEN THINKING ABOUT. THESE SIGNS FOR REZONING ARE POPPING UPPER WHERE. WE CANNOT KEEP UP. THIS IS THE REASON SO MANY OF US MOVED TOUT THE COUNTRY. IT WAS SO RURAL AND BEAUTIFUL. AND IT HAS OPEN SPACES THAT WE LOVE AND THAT WE NEED. SO, THERE'S MULTIPLE SAFETY AND ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERNS ABOUT THIS. I APPRECIATE THAT HE SAID THEY'RE GOING TO MOVE THE VILLAGE CENTER WHERE IT MAKES MORE SENSE, BUT WHAT ABOUT ALL THOSE BEAUTIFUL WETLANDS THAT ARE GOING TO BE DESTROYED? I CAN'T UNDERSTAND HOW THAT'S OKAY. SO, CONSIDER THE SAFETY OF OUR SCHOOLCHILDREN AND FAMILIES WHO LIVE IN THIS RURAL COMMUN COMMUNITY. WITH INCREASED TRUCK TRAFFIC AND ADVERSE EFFECTS ON THEIR WATER WELLS AND DRINKING WATER, WE HAVE TO WATCH OUT FOR THE EXISTING CITIZENS AND THE ECOSYSTEM BEFORE WE WORRY ABOUT NEW STUFF COMING IN TO OUR COMMUNITY. INCLUDING [01:55:01] OVERGROWTH. WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY OVERGROWTH OF OUR NEIGHBORHOODS WILL LEAD TO HOUSES WITH NO FRONT YARDS, DOORS THAT OPEN INTO THE STREET. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE INCREASED TRAFFIC AND DISAPPEARANCE OF OPEN SPACE. AND THIS REALLY -- ALSO, THIS IS AN AREA THAT I THINK IS POORLY SERVED BY PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION. AND MORE CARS AND MORE PARKING WOES. ALSO BIODIVERSITY DECREASES HUMAN SUFFERING RESULTS. CONSIDER HOW BIG OF A FRINGE AREA WE COULD MAYBE HAVE AROUND THESE AREAS. THAT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT I THOUGHT OF SITTING HERE WHERE MAYBE YOU HAVE A STANDARD THAT THERE HAS TO BE A CERTAIN FORESTED AREA IN THESE NEW DIV DIVISIONS. CONSIDER THE MANY VACANT LOTS THAT ARE LINING FLEMING ISLAND AS WE SPEAK. IT'S JUST LIKE A GRAVEYARD. AND THEN THERE'S TAKING UP MORE LOTS THAT USED TO HAVE A HOME ON THEM THAT MAYBE GOT FORECLOSED AND THEY'RE TURNING IT INTO STORAGE UNITS AND STUFF LIKE THAT. NO ONE WANTS THAT IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD. SO, THE QUESTION IS NOT ABOUT THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT COULD BE PACKED HOW MANY PEOPLE CAN THE AREA SUSTAIN AT A REASONABLE STAND ARE OF LIVING WHILE LEAVING ROOM FOR THE DIVERSITY OF LIFE TO FLOURISH? OUR QUEST FOR GREATER MATERIAL PROSPERITY IS NOW IMPAVE RICHING FUTURE GENERATIONS. SCIENTISTS TELL US WE'RE EXTERMINATING OUR FELLOW PLANT ANIMAL SPECIES AT A RATE OF 100 TO 1,000 TIMES FASTER THAN THE NATURAL RATE OF EXTINCTION. I JUST WANT TO LEAVE YOU ALL WITH THAT. I JUST HOPE THAT WE CAN MOVE FORWARD IN A RESPONSIBLE WAY THAT IS HELPFUL TO ALL OF OUR NEIGHBORS. THANK YOU. CHAIRMAN CELLA: THANK YOU. MM MR. CLEMSMAN? PUBLIC SPEAKER: I'M SO OUT OF PRACTICE I'VE BEEN REWRITING. MR. RIZZO PRETTY MUCH COVERED EVERYTHING WAY I WANTED TO SAY ESPECIALLY ABOUT THE ROADS. BUT OVERALL THIS WHOLE PROJECT IS A DISASTER FROM START TO FINISH. SO, I'M JUST GOING TO READ SOME OF WHAT I WROTE HERE INSTEAD OF ALL OF IT. BECAUSE KNOW HOW I FEEL ABOUT THESE DEVELOPERS. TO PUT IT IN A CHARITABLE WAY, THEY'RE THE DEMON SPAWN OF SATAN. THEY'RE ONLY OUT TO DESTROY EVERYTHING FOR THE LUXURY OF GRABBING AN EXTRA BUCK TO SNICK THEIR THONG. I DON'T KNOW [LAUGHTER] HORRIBLE PEOPLE. COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: WHO BUILT YOUR HOUSE? PUBLIC SPEAKER: A CONTRACTOR. I BOUGHT A PIECE OF PROPERTY AND I HAD A CONTRACTOR AND I HAD NO CLEAR CUTTING ON MY PROPERTY. YOU LOOK ALL AROUND THERE AND PEOPLE HAVE THEIR LAND JUST FLATTENED OUT. I'VE GOT SOMETHING LIKE 60 TO 70 TREES LEFT FROM A WHOLE LOT MORE WHEN YEARS OF TRYING TO REIGN IN THIS CANCEROUS GROWTH, THE PEOPLE OF LAKE ASBURY HAVE HAD ENOUGH. TO THAT END WE THE CITIZENS AGAINST OVER DEVELOP OF CLAY COUNTY HAVE BANDED TOGETHE TO SPEAK WITH ONE VOICE TO TRY TO GET THE BOARD TO START TAKING YOUR NOW HAVE YET ANOTHER GREEDY WE - DEVELOPER ANXIOUS TO PUT IN ANOTHER 2,000 HOMES AND WANTS TO CHANGE THE LOCATION OF THE SHOPPING AREA FROM THE INTERIOR OF THE DEVELOPMENT TO A WORSE SPOT RIGHT ON HENDLEY ROAD. ON TOP OF THIS INSULT THEY WANT THE TAXPAYERS TO PAY FOR A ROAD WHICH WILL THEN DUMP THOUSANDS OR MORE AUTOMOBILES ON TO OLDER ROADS THAT ALREADY NEED REPAIR. I WAS HANDED AN ARTICLE FROM MAY OF 2017 WHEN MR. HENDRY WAS INTERVIEWED ABOUT THE TRAFFIC ON 220. AND HIS RESPONSE WAS: SECTIONS OF 220 AFTER 9:00 A.M. MANY DAYS ARE HIDEOUS. THAT WAS TWO YEARS AGO. IT'S NOT ANY PRETTIER TODAY. IT'S MUCH, MUCH WORSE. SO, WE'VE HAD THE CLARION CALL BUT WE HAVEN'T LISTENED. MR. HENDRY WAS ABSOLUTELY RIGHT THEN, AND HE'S GOING TO BE EVEN MORE RIGHT NOW. WHO BUILT MY HOUSE? [LAUGHTER] WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE IN DEPTH QUESTIONING ABOUT THIS DEVELOPMENT AS WE WOULD HAVE LIKE TO HAVE SEEN IT DONE ON THE PREVIOUS THREE DEVELOPMENTS ADDING ANOTHER 2,500 HOMES AROUND RUSSELL AND SANDRIDGE ROADS. THESE POOR, OLD, TWO-LANE ROADS. T ROAD IS TOO DANGEROUS FOR THIS LEVEL OF USE. HOW MANY MORE WHITE CROSSE DO WE NEED TO HAVE PLANTED BEFORE [02:00:03] SOME COMMONSENSE IS BROUGHT TO THE PROBLEM? WE'RE GETTING MORE SPEEDING. WE'RE GETTING MORE ACCIDENTS. WE'RE GETTING MORE DEATHS. ADDING TO THE PROBLEM IS THE CURRENT HEAVY TRAFFIC FROM CONSTRUCTION VEHICLES, LARGE TRUCKS AND OTHER EQUIPMENT, BENT ON DESTROYING THE LAND BY CLEAR CUTTING AND THE COMPLETE DESTRUCTION OF THE HABITAT FOR OUR WILD LIFE. IF WE DESIGNATED REPRESENTATIVE THINGS FOR THE COUNTY AS THE STATE DOES, SUCH AS THE STATE BIRD OR THE STATE MAMMAL, WE WOULD HAVE THE COUNTY BIRD AS P MAMMAL WOULD SIMPLY BE ROAD KILL. CHAIRMAN CELLA: I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU A COUPLE OF SECONDS BECAUSE YOU HAD AN INTERCHANGE WITH THE COMMISSIONER TO WRAP IT UP. PUBLIC SPEAKER: MANY OF YOU HAVE WILL CHILDREN AND GRANDCHILDREN WHO MAY WISH TO CONTINUE THEIR FAMILIES LIVING IN OUR COMMUNITY. AT THE RATE WE'RE GOING, AND AT THE INFLATED PRICES FOR THESE CRACKERJACK BOX HOUSES GOING UP, WILL THEY BE ABLE TO AFFORD IT? WILL THERE BE ROOM FOR THEM? FINALLY, THE ROADS SHOULD BE TAKEN CARE OF FIRST THEN ATTEMPT TO OVERLOAD THEM WITH 9,000 NEW CARS. I WOULD PREFER THE DCC ASK FAR MORE IN DEPTHEN PENETRATING QUESTIONS TO PERSPECTIVE DEVELOPERS. DO WE NEED THE INFLUX? WHY? I'D PAY GOOD MONEY TO HEAR A RATIONAL RESPONSE TO THAT ONE. WHAT WOULD THE COMMUNITY GAIN VERSUS WHAT WILL THE COMMUNITY LOSE? WHAT WILL BE THE AFFECTS ON TRAFFIC. I THINK WE KNOW THAT. AND WHAT DO YOUR CONSTITUENTS THINK. I WILL LEAVE YOU WITH THAT FOR NOW. THANK YOU. CHAIRMAN CELLA: THANK YOU. BONNIE RAGSDALE? PUBLIC SPEAKER: MY NAME IS BONNIE RAGSDALE. 3159 THUNDER ROAD, MIDDLEBURGH, FLORIDA. I WASN'T GOING TO DO THIS. I HAVE SCRIBBLED ALL OVER MY PAPER AND I DECIDED TO DO IT SO BEAR WITH ME. I'M NERVOUS. WHEN THEY MENTIONED FAMILY, WE MOVED OUT HERE OVER 40 YEARS AGO TO OUR PROPERTY. WE HAVE 14 ACRES. WE'RE IN PARADISE. I HAVE RAISED A LARGE FAMILY OUT HERE. I HAVE 14 GRANDCHILDREN AND 9 GREAT GRANDCHILDREN ALREADY. THE LIVE IN CLAY COUNTY. THEY HAVE THREE SCHOOL EMPLOYEES THAT ARE SCHOOLTEACHERS AND ONE IS A DESK EMPLOYEE AND I HAVE A DEPUTY SHERIFF IN MY FAMILY. SO WE ARE VERY INGRAINED IN CLAY COUNTY. WE MOVED OUT HERE FROM DUVAL COUNTY AND WE LOVE IT OUT HERE. WE NEVER DREAMED IT WOULD GROW. I GUESS WE SHOULD HAVE THOUGHT IT WOULD BECAUSE EVERY PLACE IN THE WORLD DOES. WE'RE ALL VERY DISAPPOINTED INCLUDING A LOT OF MY FRIENDS THAT DIDN'T COME TONIGHT. I JUST WANTED TO SAY, BESIDES OUR LARGE FAMILY, THAT WE LIVE ON THUNDER. YOU KNOW, WHERE THAT IS FROM LAKE ASBURY. I DO HAVE A DAUGHTER IN LAKE ASBURY WHO CAN'T GET OUT BECAUSE YOU WILL GET RUN OVER. ALREADY. WHEN WE GET OFF ON THUNDER ROAD TO 218 EITHER WAY I GO, WE CAN'T GET ON BLANDING BECAUSE THEY'RE BACKED UP VERY FAR, IF YOU'VE EVER BEEN ON 218 TOWARDS BLANDING. WE CAN HARDLY GET TURNED AT THE RED LIGHT AT THE WRONG TIME OF THE DAY. I MEAN, IT'S CRAZY WHAT'S GOING ON RIGHT NOW. ALL OF THIS WITH ALL THESE HOMES, I MEAN, IT'S ONE THING MAYBE FOR ASSISTED LIVING PLACE. YOU DON'T HAVE A LOT OF TRAFFIC. BUT WHEN YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT ALL THESE HOMES COMING OUT HERE. I PERSONALLY KNOW YOU DON'T HAVE THE MONEY BUT I THINK THE ROADS SHOULD BE BUILT, FOUR LANES SIX LANES OR WHATEVER YOU ARE GOING TO DO TO GET THESE PEOPLE IN AND OUT OF HERE. I HAVE GRANDCHILDREN IN SHADOW LAWN AND LAKE ASBURY. IT'S CRAZY THERE. I THINK THAT WAS ALL. LET ME LOOK REAL QUICK. THE WETLANDS I LOVE. WE HAVE DEER THAT FEED ON OUR PROPERTY. I PRAY EVERY DAY THEY DON'T GET RUN OVER. THERE'S JUST, MY OPINION, MY FAMILY'S OPINION, TOO MUCH GROWTH FOR CLAY COUNTY. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. CHAIRMAN CELLA: THANK YOU, MA'AM. THAT'S THE LAST OF THE CARDS. ANYBODY ELSE? OKAY. GO AHEAD, MA'AM. MS. HOFFMAN. PUBLIC SPEAKER: CHANDRA HOFFMAN. HANDS DRIVE AT 2702. THIS IMPACTS OUR BACKYARD IMMENSELY. THE ROADS ARE CHAOTIC GETTING IN AND OUT EVERY MORNING, EVERY AFTERNOON TO TAKE MY CHILDREN TO SCHOOL. WATCHING THE BRIDGE THAT CROSSES OVER THERE AT HENDLEY. WE'VE HAD TO WATCH [02:05:05] THAT BE RECONSTRUCTED BECAUSE THE POOR CONSTRUCTION IT WAS UNDER AND IT'S GOING TO NEED IT AGAIN IN THE NEAR FUTURE. I'VE LIVED HERE 18 YEARS. AND I'VE WATCHED CARS SWERVE LEFT AND RIGHT OFF 209 BECAUSE THERE'S NO SHOULDER TO PROTECT THEM FROM OVER CORRECTING FROM ON-COMING TRAFFIC. IT'S CRAZY OUT THERE. AND YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT BRINGING IN ALL THESE THOUSANDS OF HOMES AND THOUSANDS OF CARS MORE WHEN WE'RE NOT READY FOR IT. WE BOUGHT OUT HERE BECAUSE WE DIDN'T WANT TO BE IN FLEMING. WE DIDN'T WANT TO BE IN OAK LEAF. WE DIDN'T WANT TO BE IN JACKSONVILLE. WE WANTED OUR OWN LITTLE PIECE OF HEAVEN. BUT THEN WE KEEP SEEING THIS COME UP. THIS IS NOT WHAT WE WANT. THERE'S MANY MORE PEOPLE RIGHT BEHIND US. THEY'RE JUST NOT ABLE TO SHOW UP AT MEETINGS IF. THEY HAVE TO WORK. WE JUST ASK YOU TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION BECAUSE WE'RE NOT READY FOR THIS. THIS IS JUST PUSHING US FURTHER AND FURTHER INTO SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO END UP BEING A DISASTER. AND I JUST WANTED TO BRING THAT TO YOUR ATTENTION MORE SO. THANK YOU. CHAIRMAN CELLA: SIR, I DON'T HAVE A CARD FOR YOU. IF YOU WANT TO COME UP AND SPEAK THEN FILL OUT THE CARD. PUBLIC SPEAKER: I DID FILL ONE OUT ALREADY. CHAIRMAN CELLA: FOR NUMBER 11 INSTEAD OF 25? PUBLIC SPEAKER: I'M NOT SURE. IT WAS ZONING. CHAIRMAN CELLA: OKAY. WELL IF YOU WANT TO TALK ON THIS ISSUE WE'LL CATCH YOU ON THE CARD AFTER OR DONE. PUBLIC SPEAKER: TOM WALLACE. 3220 CALLY LANE WHICH IS RIGHT ON HENDLEY. I AM A 900 FEET FROM THE NEW INTERCHANGE THERE ON HENDLEY. I'VE GOT NEIGHBORS THAT ARE BACKED UP TO THE THING. THEY'RE GETTING NO CONSIDERATION FOR THE TRAFFIC THAT'S RIGHT IN THEIR BACKYARD. OKAY. AND I'M SPEAKING FOR A LOT OF THEM I'VE TALKED TO BECAUSE A LOT OF US ARE REALLY DISAPPOINTED. I MOVED FROM MANDARIN FIVE YEARS AGO BECAUSE OF THE EXPANSION OVER THERE. AND I THOUGHT WELL THIS WOULD BE A GREAT PLACE TO LIVE. AND I KNEW THE EXPRESSWAY WAS COMING, BUT AS FAR AS THE DEVELOPMENTS THAT THEY'RE PUTTING IN NOW, A LITTLE BIT OF A SURPRISE TO ME. AND I WOULD LIKE TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT A COUPLE OF THINGS. ONE THING, LIGHTING ON HENDLEY. HAS ANYBODY DRIVEN HENDLEY AT NIGHT? THERE'S NO LIGHTS. YOU ARE GOING TO PUT A LOT MORE CARS ON THAT ROAD AT NIGHT, NO LIGHTING AT ALL. THE RED DASH ROAD THAT IS SUPPOSED TO COME OUT THE EAST-WEST ON TO HENDLEY. THAT'S GOING TO BE A DUMPING FROM THE DEVELOPMENT. THE DEVELOPER'S ALSO STATED HE IS GOING TO HAVE EXIT POINTS ON HENDRY. SO, WE'RE TALKING NOT JUST FOUR OR THREE -- WE'RE PROBABLY TALKING ABOUT FOUR EXIT POINTS ON HENDLEY. MAYBE THREE. I'M NOT QUITE SURE. ANOTHER THING I LEARNED THE OTHER DAY, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT IS GOING TO BE MOVED OUT OF LAKE ASBURY. NOT SURE WHERE THEY GOING TO MOVE IT BUT WITHIN THE NEXT FIVE YEARS I'VE BEEN TOLD IT'S BEING MOVED. KIND OF MAKES ME WONDER WITH THIS POPULATION INCREASE WHERE ARE THEY GOING TO PUT THEIR FIRE AND RESCUE DEPARTMENT. OKAY. LITTLE DISAPPOINTING. BUT, YOU KNOW, I CAN'T STOP THE DEVELOPMENT. AND I REALLY DON'T WANT TO STOP IT, BUT IT NEEDS TO BE CONTROLLED. GOOD POINT ABOUT THE IMPACT FEE WAS LOWERED AS AN INCENTIVE. AND I GUESS WE WERE MEANT TO TAKE THE BURDEN OF THAT THEN. THE TAXPAYERS. WHICH DOESN'T SEEM FAIR. WE'RE NOT GOING TO PROFIT AT ALL FROM THIS. I'M 70 YEARS OLD AND BEFORE THIS IS COMPLETED I'LL BE -- I WON'T BE AROUND TO SEE IT. SO IT'S JUST KIND OF DISAPPOINTING. ANOTHER THING TO CONSIDER IS THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE -- THIS DEVELOPER, IS HE GOING TO HAVE STORAGE FOR RV'S, BOATS AND ALL THIS STUFF ? THEY'RE PROBABLY GOING TO HAVE QUAV NANTS AND RESTRICTIONS FOR THE LAND OWNERS. TODAY I TOOK A RIDE TO CROSS CREEK TO SEE WHAT WAS GOING ON DOWN THERE, AND I WAS AMAZED. THE HOUSES ARE LIKE TEN FEET APART. HAS ANYBODY DRIVEN DOWN THROUGH ANY OF THE NEW DEVELOPMENTS? IT'S NOT THE SAME. YOUR RED DASH ROADS, YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT TWO-LANE ROAD. OAK LEAF, THAT'S A TWO LANE IN EACH DIRECTION. FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, WE'RE NOT GOING TO [02:10:01] HAVE THAT. I GUESS MY TIME IS ALMOST UP BUT I APPRECIATE YOUR -- I WILL CONVEY TO MY NEIGHBORS AND STUFF, WHAT I AM FINDING OUT BECAUSE I AM DOING RESEARCH. I TRY TO LOOK AT YOUR 20 YEAR, 10-YEAR PLAN AND IT'S JUST THERE'S A LOT TO BE DONE BEFORE WE CAN OVER DEVELOP IT. AND YOU ARE GOING TO RAISE TAXES. SCHOOL BOARD WANTS THIS INCREASE THE SALES TAX. YOU WANT TO INCREASE THE WATER RUN-OFF FOR UNINCORPORATED. AND THERE'S GOING TO BE MORE TAXES TO COME. I THINK EVERYBODY'S GOING TO FIGHT YOU ON IT. COME ELECTION TIME. I THINK IF WE GET THE VOTE ON THESE RAISE TAXES. CHAIRMAN CELLA: THANK YOU. PUBLIC SPEAKER: THANK YOU. CHAIRMAN CELLA: PUBLIC SPEAKER: MY NAME IS LYNN RIZZO. I LIVE AT 1033 LAKE ASBURY DRIVE. I THINK THE UNDERLYING SENTIMENT I'M HEARING IS WE'RE NOT RURAL ANYMORE. WE'RE GETTING IT. BUT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE YOU AS OUR REPRESENTATIVES DO SOME INFRASTRUCTURE PLANNING FOR US BEFORE OUR ROADS TURN INTO A NIGHTMARE. BUT AS FAR AS THE ZONING GOES. I AM AGAINST THE FLIPPING OF THE ZONING. I THINK THAT -- FIRST OF ALL, I I THINK IT SHOULD HAVE ALL BEEN FRINGE. I DON'T KNOW NOW IT HAPPENED THAT IT'S NOT. BUT I WOULD RATHER SEE THE FRINGE CLOSER TO THE MAIN ROADS THAN TO PACK THEM IN FURTHER BACK. SO I AM AGAINST THE FLIPPING OF THE ZONE. CHAIRMAN CELLA: THANK YOU, MA'AM. SIR, YOU PUT YOUR CARD IN, I MAY HAVE PUT IT IN ANOTHER PILE. WHAT'S YOUR NAME? PUBLIC SPEAKER: TOM WALLACE. CHAIRMAN CELLA: NO I'VE GOT YOURS. PUBLIC SPEAKER: MARK [INAUDIBLE]. I PUT 11 INSTEAD OF THIS ISSUE. CHAIRMAN CELLA: THAT'S A-OKAY. PUBLIC SPEAKER: MARK WANTAGE, GREEN COVE SPRINGS. I WANT TO ECHO WHAT I'VE HEARD. I'VE HEARD SOME GOOD STUFF OUT HERE. MY CONCERN IS STARTING RIGHT HERE AT THE BEGINNING. WHAT I'VE HEARD HERE IS A LOT OF CONFUSION, A LOT OF CONVERSATION OF THINGS THAT MAY FIT, MAY WORK. IT'S ALMOST A CASE OF WHACK-A-MOLE IN TERMS OF THE DISCUSSION. I'VE SAT ON THESE COMMISSIONS AND THESE BOARDS. I'VE DONE WORK. I'VE BEEN INVOLVED WITH OVER $6 BILLION OF CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS AND I'VE BEEN ONE OF THE GUYS THAT AT THE END OF THE PROJECT IS LEFT TO FIX THINGS IN WORKING WITH CONTRACTORS. I DISAGREE WITH THE COMMENT THAT ALL CONTRACTORS ARE THE SPAWNS OF SATAN. THERE'S ONLY A SMALL PERCENTAGE OFTHEM THAT ARE. MOST OF THEM HAVE THE BEST INTENT. ALL OF THEM HAVE THEIR OWN BEST INTENTIONS IN PLACE. BOARD, YOU HAVE THE POWER. AND YOU NEED TO TREAT THIS COUNTY LIKE AN OWNER. AND THE OWNER LIKE MR. BOLLA, WHAT YOU EXPRESSED, IS THE RIGHT ATTITUDE. IS THAT WE DON'T NEED TO LET THEM DRIVE THE CASE. WHAT I HEARD IN THE DESCRIPTION, BOTH FROM THE COMMISSION SIDE AND ALSO FROM THE PRESENTATION SIDE, IS THAT THERE'S A LOT OF USEFULLY VAGUE TERMS IN THERE. A LOT OF VAGUE PROMISES AND USE OF WORDS THAT ARE GOING TO APPLY TO JUST THE WAY THEY WANT TO WORK IT OUT. MAKES IT EASY. IF YOU INCREASE THE DENSITY A SMALL INCREASE IS A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT. AND IT ALSO AFFECTS THE COST OF LIVING AND THE COST OF THE COMMUNITY. AND THE QUALITY OF LIVING. IF YOU GO FROM THREE TO SIX OR THREE TO FIVE, THOSE ARE SIGNIFICANT IMPACTS. MOVING THE ROADS OUT TO -- I MEAN, THE BUSINESSES OUT TO HENDRY ROAD IS A HUGE IMPACT. TO THE DEVELOPER, IT'S JUST ONE OF THE PROJECTS THEY HAVE WITHIN THEIR MASTER PLAN. AND TO THEM, IT'S A SIMPLE THING. BUT IN REALITY, AS YOU CAN SEE ALONG ANY MAJOR ROAD IN THE LAST 50 YEARS THAT'S BEEN CONSTRUCTED, A SMALL BUSINESS AT A HIGHLY DEVELOPED AREA, THAT'S GOING TO APPLY A LOT OF PRESSURE TO HENDLEY ROAD. IT'S GOING TO AFFECT THE QUALITY OF LIFE FOR EVERYBODY ALONG THAT ROAD AND YOU ARE GOING TO BE CHANNELING ALL THOSE BUSINESSES. WHAT HAPPENS DOWN THE ROAD? YOU HAVE ALLOWED ONE BUSINESS TO COME IN, DEVELOPMENT, THEN IT BECOMES EASIER TO APPROVE THE NEXT ONE. SO, IN YOUR OWN DISCUSSION UP HERE I HEARD ENOUGH UNCERTAINTY, ENOUGH QUESTIONS IN THERE THAT I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR ANYONE TO APPROVE SUCH A PLAN, ESPECIALLY NOW. AND THEN WHEN YOU DO THE CONSIDERATION OF WORKING ON THESE -- FOR ADDING NEW BUSINESSES AND INCREASING DENSITIES INTO THE STRUCTURE OF OUR COMMUNITY, YOU ARE GOING TO BE IMPACTING OUR COMMUNITY. YOU [02:15:01] ARE GOING TO BE CAUSING A LOT OF PAIN. I SIT ON A COMMUNITY BOARD. I'M REPRESENTING MYSELF. THERE'S NOT ONE PERSON THAT I'VE SPOKEN WITH WITHIN MY COMMUNITY IN THE SURROUNDING AREA THAT IS IN FAVOR OF THIS TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT. YOU NEED TO GET A HANDLE ON IT. I THINK YOU HAVE THE RIGHT ALTITUDE. I THINK YOU HAVE PEOPLE IN PLACE THAT CAN DO THE JOB BUS IT NEEDS TO BE A THOUGHTFUL PLAN. THE COMMISSION WAS CRITICAL OF THE SCHOOL BOARD FOR NOT HAVING A MASTER PLAN. THEY FELT THEY HAD ONE. I THINK THAT YOU NEED TO LOOK INTERNALLY AND DEVELOP -- YOU GOT THE SKILL SETS, YOU NEED TO USE IT. AND IN A PRACTICAL WAY. AS THE OWNER. CHAIRMAN CELLA: THANK YOU. PUBLIC SPEAKER: THANK YOU. CHAIRMAN CELLA: THAT DOES IT AS FAR AS THE CARDS -- OKAY DID YOU JUST -- PUBLIC SPEAKER: I FILLED OUT A CARD. CHAIRMAN: WHAT'S YOUR NAME? BOB SUDAN. YES, I GOT YOU HERE. YOU PUT NUMBER 11. PUBLIC SPEAKER: THANK YOU. I LIVE AT 2419 ROYAL POINT DRIVE GREEN COVE. MY SUBDIVISION IS AT THE CORNER OF 218 AND HENDLEY. AND I ECHO A LOT OF THE SENTIMENTS THAT HAVE PRECEDED ME ABOUT THE DENSITY OF THE TRAFFIC AND HOW DIFFICULT IT IS. I LIKE THE PROJECT. I'M NOT AGAINST THE PROJECT. I JUST THINK THAT THERE ARE THINGS THAT YOU HAVE TO CONSIDER WITH REGARD TO THE ROADS AND HOW PEOPLE CAN MANEUVER. I'M NOT AGAINST THE GROWTH. ONE THING THAT I FIND IN PARTICULAR IS DISTRESSING TO ME. ROYAL POINT, IF YOU'VE BEEN THERE, WE HAVE ABOUT A LITTLE UNDER 200 HOMES. AND THEY JUST STARTED A THIRD DIVISION OR AREA. AND THERE'S GOING TO BE A TOTAL OF ABOUT 300 HOMES THERE. AND THE ONLY ENTRANCE AND EXIT IN TO ROYAL POINT IS ON HENDLEY. AND IF THERE HAPPENS TO BE -- AND WE THOUGHT ABOUT THIS, A NUMBER OF PEOPLE IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT THIS. IF THERE HAPPENS TO BE AN EMERGENCY AT THE BEGINNING OR THE ENTRANCE TO ROYAL POINT, THERE'S GOING TO BE AN ABSOLUTE PANIC FOR PEOPLE TO GET OUT. I JUST DON'T KNOW HOW THEY CAN GET OUT WITHOUT ANOTHER EXIT. AND SO TO ME THE ONLY LOGICAL THING WOULD BE TO HAVE ANOTHER EXIT ON TO 218 OR ANOTHER ENTRANCE FROM 218. SO, AT LEAST WE HAVE A CHOICE RATHER THAN JUST ONE ENTRANCE AND ONE EXIT THAT WINDS IN SEVERAL DIFFERENT CORRECTIONS AND IT'S JUST SUCH A NARROW STREET TO BEGIN WITH. THAT'S ALL. I JUST WANT YOU TO CONSIDER THE POINT ABOUT TRAFFIC AND THE DIFFICULTY FOR PEOPLE TO GET AROUND. I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. CHAIRMAN CELLA: THANK YOU, SIR. ANYONE ELSE? PUBLIC SPEAKER: I'M SHOT SURE. CHARLES RID LING AGAIN. I'M NOT SURE BUT I THOUGHT AT THE MEETING ON THE 1ST THAT THE FIRST CENTER OVER THERE THAT THEY SAID THEY MOVED FROM HENDLEY BACK TO WHERE IT'S AT NOW, I THOUGHT I HEARD THE BOARD RECOMMEND TO PULL THAT DOWN TO WHERE ALL THREE ROADS JOINED IN TO MAKE THAT THE AREA? IS WHAT I THOUGHT I HEARD THAT NIGHT. INSTEAD OF BEING WHERE IT'S AT RIGHT NOW, THAT IT BE MOVED DOWN TO THE INTERSECTION OF ALL THREE ROADS. BUT IT CAME IN AND ASKED FOR THE ONE OVER THERE IN SOLITE PROPERTY. I'D TIE THAT THING UP SO TIGHT THEY COULDN'T DRIVE A PEG IN THE DIRT UNTIL THEY CLEANED UP THE REST. THANK YOU. CHAIRMAN CELLA: THANK YOU, SIR. MR. SKINNER, DO YOU WANT TO COME UP? PUBLIC SPEAKER: ALAN SKINNER 4469 [INAUDIBLE] JACKSONVILLE FLORIDA. THIS MEETING TONIGHT IS REALLY -- THERE IS THREE CHANGES. ONE IS WE'RE FLIP-FLOPPING THE TWO LAND USES. THE OTHER TWO CHANGES ARE MINOR. IT'S JUST SHIFTING THE VILLAGE CENTER A LITTLE BIT FROM ITS CURRENT LOCATION AND SHIFTING THE APF ROAD A LITTLE BIT. THOSE ARE THE THREE THINGS. THE MASTER PLAN COMMUNITY WAY BACK WHEN IT WAS PUT OVER THERE THE [02:20:05] HIT HISTORY IS WHEN THE BELTWAY WENT THROUGH -- I MEAN, BEFORE IT WENT THROUGH EVERYTHING WAS HUNKY-DORY. WHEN THE BELTWAY WENT THROUGH IT HAD TO HIT OUR PROPERTY FROM A GEE METRY CAL POINT OF VIEW IT ISOLATED THE TWO YELLOW PARCELS. THE MPC LAND USE HAS A LOT MORE FLEXIBILITY WITH DIFFERENT TYPES OF HOUSING. AND THE THING IS I'VE HEARD OTHER SPEAKERS GET UP AND TALK ABOUT THEY WANT TO SEE QUALITY DEVELOPMENT. AND THE THING IS THAT ONE OF THE THINGS IS THAT BY HAVING A MIX OF -- BIGGER MIX OF USES YOU CAN HIT MORE OF THE PEOPLE THAT NEED HOMES LIKE SOME OF THE SENIORS. MILITARY SENIORS MAY NOT WANT A SINGLE FAMILY HOME THEY MAY WANT A TOWN HOME OR WALK ABILITY TO A VILLAGE CENTER. OR EVEN A MILLENNIAL MAY NOT BE ABLE TO AFFORD A SINGLE FAMILY HOME. SO, THERE'S ALL RANGES OF THAT. YOU ARE ABLE TO HIT WHAT PEOPLE NEED FOR THAT AREA. ALL THAT WAS ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE CREEK WHICH WE CAN'T EVEN USE. THAT WAS REALLY THE REASON WHY WE WANTED TO GET IT TO WHERE IT WAS MORE MEANINGFUL. IN TERMS OF QUALITY. THE APF ROAD MOVING AGAINST THE CREEK ONE THING THAT WAS NOT MENTIONED IS THAT BY HAVING IT AGAINST THE CREEK I CAN -- AND BETWEEN THE APF ROAD AND THE CREEK IS A GREENWAY BY THE LAMB PA CODE BUT IT IS A NICE UNENCUMBERED PEDESTRIAN AND BIKE PATH. THEY CAN HAVE A SCENIC VIEW AND NOT HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT CROSS STREETS BECAUSE IT LOADS TO THE LEFT. WE DIDN'T TWEAK IT VERY MUCH EXCEPT FOR THE MPC GOING TO THE OTHER SIDE. BUT WE'RE REDUCING IT BY 219 UNITS. SO IT'S GOING DOWN IN DENSITY NOT UP. COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: WHEN DID YOU FIRST BRING THIS TO THE COUNTY? THERE WAS CONFUSION EARLIER. SPEAKER: WELL, I MEAN, THIS PARTICULAR PLAN IS JUST RECENT. THIS IS THE ONLY THING WE'VE REASON DONE. WE HAVEN'T REALLY DONE A DEVELOPMENT PLAN UNTIL NOW. THIS IS ONLY JUST A CONCEPTUAL PLAN. THIS IS NOT EVEN A DEVELOPMENT PLAN. WE'RE NOT UNDER CONTRACT WITH DEVELOPERS. WE'RE TRYING BE THOUGHTFUL ABOUT HOW EVERYTHING IS DONE SO WHEN THE DAY COMES IT WILL BE MORE REASONABLE AND PRACTICAL FOR SOMEBODY TO IMPLEMENT. THAT'S THE REASON WE'RE DOING WHAT WE'RE DOING. COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: THANK YOU. CHAIRMAN CELLA: THANK YOU. I HAVE NO MORE CARDS. I SEE NO MORE HANDS UP. WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND BRING IT BACK TO THE BOARD FOR DISCUSSION. ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ED AT THIS POINT? ANY COMMENTS? COMMISSIONER HENDRY: I HAD A QUESTION BUT I FORGOT WHAT IT WAS. YOU ARE LUCKY [LAUGHTER] COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: WHILE YOU ALL ARE THINKING, I'M GLAD TO HEAR THAT YOU'RE ASKING A QUESTION WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON SINCE LAST YEAR. AND THAT IS ABOUT THE CAPACITY OF THE ROAD SYSTEM OUT IN LAKE ASBURY AREA. I HAVE TWO FAMILY MEMBERS THAT LIVE OUT THERE AND I OWN A HOUSE OUT THERE. SO, I'M VERY CONCERNED FROM A PERSONAL STANDPOINT AS WELL AS A COUNTY COMMISSIONER. AND WE STARTED WORKING THE FIRST QUARTER OF THIS YEAR TO DO $100 MILLION BOND ISSUE. THE FOCUS, IF YOU LOOK ON THAT MAP, IS THAT AREA. THOSE ARE THE CRITICAL NEED AREAS. SO IT'S ON THE WAY. GOVERNMENT MOVES SLOW DOING A BOND ISSUE FOR $100 MILLION TAKES MONTHS. THERE'S THREE ITEMS ON OUR AGENDA TONIGHT THAT WILL ADDRESS MOVING THE BALL FORWARD FOR THE BOND ISSUE. AND THOSE PROJECTS WERE SO BIG THAT IF WE WAITED AND SAVED UP THE MONEY IT WOULD HAVE TAKEN A LONG TIME TO SAVE THE MONEY TO GET TO THE POINT WHERE WE COULD PAY CASH FOR IT. BECAUSE INTEREST RATES ARE VERY LOW AND INFLATION IS HIGHER THAN INTEREST RATES, IT IS ACTUALLY CHEAPER FOR US TO BOND THE MONEY AND DO THE PROJECTS NOW. SO I HOPE IF ANYTHING ELSE TONIGHT YOU GOT A LITTLE GOOD NEWS THAT WE REALIZE THERE'S A PROBLEM WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON IT FOR ABOUT A YEAR NOW. AND HELP IS ON THE WAY. I KNOW IT WILL BE A DAY LATE, BUT AT LEAST YOU KNOW IT'S COMING. COMMISSIONER HENDRY: IF I COULD ADD TO THAT, MR. CHAIRMAN. HENDLEY ROAD, THE NEW FOUR LANE HENDRY ROAD, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ALL LOOKING LIKE FOR THE REST OF THE ROADS. 209, SANDRIDGE, 218, WITH SOME VARIATION. SO, YOU KNOW, PERHAPS WE DON'T DO A GOOD ENOUGH JOB AT THE BCC LETTING YOU FOLKS KNOW WHAT OUR PLANS ARE. WE JUST ASSUME THAT YOU ALL SIT AT HOME AND WATCH TELEVISION WHILE WE GO THROUGH THE MAT RA NATIONS BUT I'M SURE THAT'S NOT TRUE. I LIVE IN DOWNTOWN LAKE ASBURY. BETWEEN THERE 34 YEARS. TRUST ME, EVERYTHING YOU FOLKS GO THROUGH, I HAVE TO GO THROUGH. AND ALL THAT AREA OUT THERE WHERE THE [02:25:04] NEW SUBDIVISIONS ARE, WHEN I MOVED OUT THERE IT WAS A COW PASTURE. THERE WAS NO SCHOOLS, NO WINN-DIXIE. IT WAS JUST BARREN LAND. AND I TOO AT THAT TIME WENT INTO SHOCK JUST LIKE MANY OF YOU ARE AND STOMPED MY FOOT AND BEAT ON THE TABLE AND SAID WE DON'T NEED ALL THIS DEVELOPMENT. AND I WAS KIND OF SURPRISED IT WORKED OUT A LOT BETTER N MY OPINION, THAN I THOUGHT IT WOULD. I THOUGHT IT WAS GOING TO BE A NIGHTMARE. NOT AS MUCH ACTIVITY AS REALLY AS I THOUGHT. OBVIOUSLY, WE'VE GOT MORE GROWTH, IT WILL HAVE MORE ACTIVITY. BUT WE'RE TRYING TO CORRECT MANY OF THE CONCERNS THAT EVERY ONE OF YOU HAVE. AND I THINK MOST OF THEM WILL BE. WILL ALL OF THEM? NO. WE'RE NOT THAT GOOD. WE'RE NOT THAT RICH. AND WE'RE PROBABLY NOT THAT SMART. BUT THE ONLY THING AS I TOLD MY WIFE, SHE SAID, WHY DON'T YOU JUST -- I'M TIRED OF ALL THIS GROWTH. WHY DON'T YOU JUST DECLARE A MORATORIUM, NO MORE GROWTH. I SAID, HONEY, THERE'S THE COURTS IN FLORIDA WOULD HAVE ALREADY DRAWN AND QUARTERED US IF WE DID THAT. WE WOULD GET SUE. WE'D LOSE. AND THEY WOULD STILL GET THE SUBDIVISION. AGAIN, IT'S BEEN POINTED OUT BY MANY FOLKS HERE, WE CAN DO WHAT WE CAN TO CONTROL IT. WE CAN PUT IN SPECIFIC THINGS AND REQUIRE THEM TO ■DOIT TO MAKE IT A LITTLE MORE PLEASANT. BUT WE CANNOT DEPRIVE A PROPERTY OWNER OF HIS RIGHT TO DEVELOP IT UNLESS, WELL IN SO THAT'S THE CASE WE HAD AN -- SOLITE WE HAD AN EXCELLENT REASON AND WE DID. WE CANNOT DEPRIVE THEM OF THE RIGHT TO DEVELOP THEIR PROPERTY AS LONG AS THEY MEET CERTAIN STATE REQUIREMENTS. IF WE DO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING LOSE EVERY TIME. I THINK THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY FOR THE MOMENT, SIR. CHAIRMAN CELLA: SOUNDED GOOD TO ME. APPRECIATE THAT, COMMISSIONER. ANYBODY ELSE? COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: THE CHALLENGE OF BEING ON THIS SIDE OF THINGS AND MAKING CHOICES IS IT'S NOT A CHOICE BETWEEN LAND THAT'S A PARK AND THAT DEER CAN JUST ROAM AND NOTHING EVER HAPPENS. WE DON'T GET THAT CHOICE. WE DON'T GET THAT CHOICE BETWEEN THAT AND NOTHING. WE GET THE CHOICE BETWEEN WHAT IS CURRENTLY PROPOSED, WHICH IS 219 ADDITIONAL HOMES, OR WHAT IS BEING OFFERED TO US, WHICH IS A SWITCH TO THE CURRENT PROPOSAL. SO IT CURRENTLY IF WE VOTED THIS DOWN TONIGHT THERE WOULD STILL BE A PLAN TO BUILD A LOT OF HOUSES THERE. BUT IF WE VOTE FOR THIS TONIGHT, IT REDUCES THE NUMBER OF HOUSES 219. IT CREATES A BIKE PATH ALONG THE CREEK. IT PRESERVES A LOT OF WETLANDS. AND OVERALL GIVES MORE FLEXIBILITY TO THE DEVELOPER TO BUILD HIGHER QUALITY HOMES. SO THAT'S THE CHOICE WE HAVE. IT'S NOT A CHOICE BETWEEN JUST LEAVE IT HOW IT IS OR DEVELOP IT. IT'S ALREADY GOT A PLAN. THERE'S ALREADY A PROPOSAL THERE. WE'RE JUST CHANGING IT TO WHAT I BELIEVE IS A BETTER PLAN. AND THAT'S WHAT I'VE HEARD FROM RESIDENTS ALL OVER IS THEY WANT SMART GROWTH. THE RIGHT KIND OF GROWTH. AND BECAUSE AS COMMISSIONER HENDRY SAID WE CAN'T JUST STOP GROWTH ANYWHERE. AND THE REASON I ASKED MR. CL E MSMAN WHO BUILT HIS HOUSE IS WE ALL LIVE IN HOUSES THAT WERE BUILT AT SOME POINT BY DEVELOPERS. IF YOU HAVE FAMILY MEMBERS AND KIDS, THEY'RE GOING HAVE TO LIVE SOMEWHERE. SO THE QUESTION IS NOT DO WE NEED HOUSES. THE QUESTION IS WHO DOES IT AND HOW WE DO THEM AND HOW WE GROW AS A COMMUNITY. BY VIRTUE OF HAVING FAMILIES AND KIDS AND THAT TYPE OF THING, WE DO GROW AS A COMMUNITY EVEN IF IT'S NOT SOME OTHER PEOPLE FROM SOME OTHER PLACE, IT'S EVEN GROWTH WITHIN. AND SO I THINK THIS IS A GOOD PROPOSAL TO LOWER THE NUMBER OF HOUSES AND DOES SOME OTHER POSITIVE THINGS. SO THAT'S -- IT'S NOT THAT I JUST THINK GROWTH IN GENERAL IS GREAT AND IT'S DO IT ANYWHERE AND EVERYWHERE. IT'S THAT WE'RE NOT MAKING A DECISION BETWEEN GROWTH AND NO GROWTH. WE'RE MAKING A DECISION BETWEEN A PLAN THERE AND A BETTER VERSION OF THAT PLAN. SO, JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT. CHAIRMAN CELLA: AND COMMISSIONER JUST TO PICK UP ON THAT. ONE EH OF THE THINGS FOLKS HAVE ASKED AND THEY DID AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS MOVE THE VILLAGE CENTER FROM HENDLEY TO WHERE SORT OF THE PINK THING, THE PINK BLOB OF VILLAGE CENTER IS. SO, IT'S NO LONGER ON HENDLEY. THEY MOVED THAT AND MADE THAT RECOMMENDATION TO PASS IT BECAUSE THEY PASSED IT. SO I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER ROLLINS. UNFORTUNATELY WE DON'T HAVE A GO OR NO GO. IT'S ALREADY A PLAN. IF WE DIDN'T IMPROVE THIS PLAN, THE DEVELOPER HAS THE RIGHT TO GO AHEAD AND TURN AROUND AND SELL IT TO SOMEBODY ELSE AND HAVE THEM DEVELOP THE OTHER PLAN. SO, WE'RE LOOKING AT THE BEST OF, YOU KNOW, THE TWO POSSIBLES. I WILL SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, COMMISSIONER BOLLA AND COMMISSIONER HUTCHINGS SIT ON WHAT WE CALL OUR INFRASTRUCTURE [02:30:04] COMMITTEE. THEY'VE BEEN MEETING ON A REGULAR BASIS TRYING TO COME UP WITH ANSWERS IN TERMS OF ROADS. TODAY WE HAD A MEETING TO TALK ABOUT WHICH ROADS WERE DEEFFICIENT AND WHERE WE NEEDED TO SPEND MOST OF OUR TIME. MOST WAS CENTERED AROUND YOUR AREA. SO, IN FACT, DALE SMITH, OUR PROBLEM WORKS DIRECTOR CAME ONE A PLAN WHICH WOULD ALLOW US TO START ENGINEERING AND DESIGNING THOSE ROADS AND IMPROVEMENTS TO ALL THOSE ROADS TO FOUR LANE THEM AND DO WHATEVER WE HAVE TO IMMEDIATELY WITHOUT EVEN WAITING FOR THE BONDING. BECAUSE WE DO HAVE SOME CAPITAL MONEYS WHICH HE WAN USE TO DO THAT THEN WE CAN PLAY CATCH-UP WHEN THE GET THE RESULTS OF THE BOND TO BE ABLE TO START PHYSICALLY DOING THE WORK. SO WE ARE WORKING ON IT. IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE REALIZED MAYBE WE NEED TO BETTER P.R. MACHINE TO GET THAT WORD OUT TO YOU, BUT THAT IS WORK THAT IS ALREADY BEING PLANNED. SO, YOU KNOW, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE'VE BEEN UNAWARE FEV TRUST ME, I'VE SAT AT THE LIGHT AT THE RAILROAD TRACKS MANY TIMES BEING 15TH OR 20TH IN LINE IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE JET IN FROM OUT OF TOWN. WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME ROADS YOU ARE CERTAINLY. AND WE UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE GOING THROUGH. SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU KNOW THERE IS A NUMBER OF PEOPLE WORK ON THINGS. WE'RE LOOKING AT ALL KINDS OF AVENUES TO BE AGE GET THOSE ROADS DONE AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. COMMISSIONER HENDRY: IT MAY NOT BE IMPORTANT TO A LOFT YOU. SOME OF YOU LIKE ANIMALS, SOME DON'T. I'VE BEEN PUSHING OUT DOLLARS TO BUILD A NEW ANIMAL CONTROL FACILITY. THE ONE WE'VE GOT IS RIDICULOUS. WE'RE LOOKING TO PUT IT AT DOCTOR'S INLET A REAL NICE STATE-OF-THE-ART FACILITY. HOPEFULLY WE'LL HAVE GRANT MONEY COMEING THAT WAY TO KEEP IT FLUSH. CHAIRMAN CELLA: ANYBODY HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONER BOLLA: ONE MORE COMMENT. THE KEY TO THIS TO SLOWING DOWN GROWTHS TO MAKE IT MORE EXPENSIVE TO LIVE IN CLAY COUNTY. THAT'S WHAT'S GOING TO HAVE TO HAPPEN HERE. WE'VE NOT BEEN ABLE TO GET BUSINESSES IN HERE TO KIND OF SPREAD OUT THE TAX BASE BECAUSE THE BUSINESSES PAY MORE TAXES THAN THE RESIDENTS DO. THE ONLY THING LEFT FOR TO US DO IS TO RAISE TAXES ON RESIDENTIAL AREAS. WE HAVEN'T DONE THAT YET, BUT THE RESULT OF THAT IS YOU DON'T HAVE GOOD ROADS TO DRIVE ON AND WE GOT MORE PEEP HERE THAN WE KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH. THE ONLY THING I CAN SEE TO MAKE THIS WORK BETSER RIGHT NOW IS FOR US TO FIGURE OUT WHERE WE'VE GOT PLACES WHERE WE ARE GIVEN INCENTIVES FOR GROWTH. WE NEED TO SLOW THIS DOWN SOMEHOW. IT'S GOT TO GET MORE EXPENSE TOV DEVELOPMENT IN HERE. THAT'S THE ONLY WAY WE'RE GOING TO SLOW IT DOWN. LEGALLY WE CAN'T PUT A FENCE UP AND STOP PEOPLE FROM COMING IN. BUT WE CAN GET OUR FAIR SHARE OF THE DEVELOPER'S CUT. SOMETIMES THEY WON'T DEVELOP IF IT'S TOO EXPENSIVE. OKAY. SOMEBODY ELSE WILL EVENTUALLY I. THEY'RE OUT OF LAND IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY. THEY'RE COMING OVER HERE. THEY'RE COMING BIG TIME. THE ONLY THING WE CAN DO AND THEY'VE GOT THE SAME PROBLEM THERE. I'VE TALKED TO A COUPLE COMMISSIONERS THERE. I WAS ASKING FOR HELP WITH THE EXPRESSWAY. THEY TOLD ME, LOOK, I CAN'T OPEN MY MOUTH BECAUSE PEOPLE OVER HERE DON'T WANT ANYMORE GROWTH. WE HAVEN'T HAD IT LIKE THEY HAVE, BUT IT'S COMING. AND WE NEED TO GET OUT AHEAD OF THIS THING AND SLOW IT DOWN A LITTLE BIT. I'M NOT SAYING STOP, BUT UNLESS WE BUILD QUALITY DEVELOPMENT HERE, WE'RE GOING TO END ONE A REAL MESS. WHEN I SEE THE WORKFORCE HOUSING COME IN, THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH WORKFORCE HOUSING, BUT WE HAVE A LOT OF THAT HERE IN CLAY COUNTY ALREADY. IF YOUR HOUSE ISN'T WORTH $250,000 YOU ARE NOT PAYING ENOUGH IN TAXES BECAUSE OF OUR LOW TAX BASE TO COVER THE COST OF PROVIDING POLICE, FIRE AND ALL THE OTHER STUFF THAT HAS TO GO WITH THAT TO KEEP YOU SAFE. THAT'S A FACT. I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE WE DO WITH THAT. SOMETHING'S GOT TO GIVE SOME PLACE. WE HAVEN'T, AS A GROUP, WE HAVEN'T AGREED ON WHAT THAT IS YET. BUT SOMEBODY NEEDS TO FIGURE THAT OUT. COMMISSIONER HENDRY: IF I MIGHT ADD, MR. CHAIRMAN, I KNOW THIS IS GOING TO BE A LONG MEETING, BUT I'VE ALWAYS BEEN A STRONG ADVOCATE OF PROPERTY RIGHTS. IF I OWN 100 ACRES OR AND I DON'T WANT TO FARM IT ANYMORE, AND I GO THROUGH ALL THE GOVERNMENT REGULATIONS TO PUT IT IN A SUBDIVISION, THEN THAT SHOULD BE MY RIGHT. NOW, IF GOVERNMENT SAYS YOU CAN'T BECAUSE OF THIS, THIS, AND THIS, YOU TRY TO WORK WITH THEM TO TAKE CARE OF THOSE PROBLEMS, BUT YOU ARE STILL THE OWNER OF THAT LAND. UNLESS YOU ARE GOING TO PUT A DUMP IN THE MIDDLE OF A SUBDIVISION, I THINK THERE SHOULD BE SOME CONSIDERATION GIVEN TO THOSE PEOPLE WHO HAVE WORKED THAT LAND ALL THEIR LIFE AND NOW THEY'RE READY TO DO SOMETHING ELSE WITH IT. AND JUST BECAUSE WE MAY NOT LIKE WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO [02:35:03] WITH IT, I'M NOT SURE WE SHOULD BE PUTTING OURSELF IN A POSITION SAYING, WELL, NO, YOU CAN'T DO THAT BECAUSE WE'VE GOT TOO MANY PEOPLE OUT HERE ALREADY. NO I FOR ONE THINK WE'VE GOT TOO MANY PEOPLE OUT HERE ALREADY NOW. I WAS BORN IN TAYLOR COUNTY. THE POPULATION IN TAYLOR COUNTY AS I GREW UPS WITH 100 PEOPLE FOR EVERY FOUR OR FIVE SQUARE MILES. SO IT WAS -- MR. CLEMSMAN YOU WOULD HAVE LOVED IT. NOTHING BUT DIRT ROADS AND WILD ANIMALS FELL HARKENING BACK TO MY FEAR WHEN LAKE ASBURY FIRST STARTED DEVELOPMENT, I STAYED AWAKE AT NIGHT THINKING ABOUT HOW BAD IT WAS GOING TO BE. IT'S NOT THAT BAD. IS IT AS GOOD AS IT WAS? PROBABLY NOT. BUT I CAN STILL GET TO WHERE I WANT TO GO AND WITHOUT TOO MUCH INCONVENIENCE. I'VE NOT SEEN ANY ID KIDS RUN OVER AND I HOPE AND PRAY WE DON'T. BUT THERE'S JUST CERTAIN THINGS THAT THERE'S NOT REALLY GOOD ANSWERS TO. THERE'S PROBLEMS THAT YOU ALL HAVE IN YOUR LIFE THAT THERE'S PROBABLY NOT EVEN A GOOD ANSWER OR NO ANSWER AT ALL. I THINK WHAT COMMISSIONER BOLLA HIT ON YOU KNOW. WE WANT TO PASS OURSELVES OUT OF EXISTENT OR FIGURE OUT A WAY TO DO THIS BUT IT'S GOING TO TAKE GIVE AND TAKE ON EVERYONE'S PART. YOU FOLKS, ME, THE DEVELOPERS. AND THE DEVELOPERS A LOT OF TIMES THEY TAKE SOME -- THEY TAKE A LOT OF HEAT. BUT I'VE NEVER SAT DOWN WITH ONE AND PROPOSED SOMETHING TO DO IT DIFFERENT THAT THEY DIDN'T AT LEAST GIVE IT CONSIDERATION AND MEET ME HALFWAY. MAYBE IT'S BECAUSE I HAVE A PERSUASIVE PERSONALITY, I'M NOT SURE. BUT I ALWAYS FIND THEM PRETTY GOOD TO WORK WITH. I REALLY HAVE. CHAIRMAN CELLA: YOU ARE A CHARMING MAN, MR. COMMISSIONER. SO WE ARE AT A POINT WHERE WE NEED A MOTION TO EITHER MOVE FORWARD OR NOT. I THINK THE DISCUSSION HAS GONE AS FAR AS IT CAN GO. COMMISSIONER HENDRY: WHAT NUMBER ARE WE ON, SIR? CHAIRMAN CELLA: 25. COMMISSIONER HENDRY: I'VE LOST TRACK OF THE WHOLE THING. THERE WE GO. WHAT WOULD BE THE MOTION, MR. CHAIRMAN? IS IT TO ACCEPT IT AS PROPOSED ON ITEM 25? CHAIRMAN CELLA: THAT WOULD BE ONE MOTION. IN A POSITIVE SENSE. COMMISSIONER HENDRY: WELL SINCE IT'S MY DISTRICT I CAN HEAR THE SILENCE UP HERE OF MY FOUR COLLEAGUES I GUESS YOU GUYS ARE WAITING TO ME TO MAKE THE CALL. COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: WE TYPICALLY DO THAT [LAUGHTER] COMMISSIONER HENDRY: WITH THE CHANGE THAT WAS MADE BASED ON OUR LAST PLANNING COMMITTEE MEETING, I WOULD MOVE TO ACCEPT ITEM 25, MR. CHAIRMAN. CHAIRMAN CELLA: OKAY. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: I'LL SECOND IT. CHAIRMAN CELLA: OKAY. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: WELL I -- COMMISSIONER BOLLA: IN MY MIND I'VE MET WITH THESE GENTLEMEN, THEY'RE GOOD DEVELOPERS, I THINK. AND I THINK THE PLAN PRETTY MUCH HOLDS TOGETHER. WE'VE HAD -- WE'RE ACTUALLY HAVING TWO DISCUSSIONS HERE. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT GROWTH FOR THE WHOLE COUNTY AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS INDIVIDUAL PROJECT. IF WE DON'T DO THIS ONE LIKE IT WAS SAID, SOMEBODY ELSE IS GOING TO BUILD SOMETHING THERE. IT'S GOING HAPPEN. AND I THINK THESE GUYS HAVE DONE THEIR HOMEWORK. THEY'VE WORKED AT THIS. IT'S A QUALITY. THEY'VE REDUCED THE DENSITIES. I TALKED TO THEM ABOUT THIS MIX-USE THING AND MAKE SURE THE HOUSES ARE WORTH ENOUGH SO WE CAN RECOVER OUR TAX BASE WITH IT AND THEY'VE AGREED TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT. SO, I'M GOING TO SUPPORT THIS. CHAIRMAN CELLA: I THINK WHAT'S BEEN DISCUSSED ALREADY WE EITHER HAVE A CHOICE OF DISCUSSING THE CHANGES BROUGHT TO US BEFORE OR NOT AND IF WE SAY NOT THEN THEY CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PLAN THEY ALREADY HAVE WHERE THEY DON'T EVEN NEED US AT THAT POINT. SO I AGREE. I THINK THE MOVING OF THE VILLAGE CENTER OFF HENDLEY, THE REDUCTION IN UNITS, AND THE DISCUSSION THAT I HAD WITH THEM IN REGARDS TO, YOU KNOW, WHOEVER TAKES OVER WILL BUILD PART OF THOSE ROADS, YOU KNOW, AND WE CAN DISCUSS SOME MORE WITH THEM. BUT I REALLY TRULY THINK THEY HAVE THE HANDLE ON WHAT THEY'RE HAPPENING YOU KNOW WHAT THEY WANT TO DO THERE. SO, OKAY. SO, TIME TO VOTE. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED? THE MOTION CARRIE 5-0. [02:40:08] SPEAKER: YOU JUST APPROVED A TRANSMITTAL SO WE'LL BE HEARING ADOPTION OF THAT IN A FEW MONTHS. CHAIRMAN CELLA: LET ME JUST SAY, WE HEARD YOU. YOU KNOW, WHATEVER NUMBER, 10, 12 PEOPLE SHOWED UP. WE UNDERSTAND. WE'RE WORKING ON THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WE THINK NEEDS TO BE HERE IN THE COUNTY. SOME OF THE ROADS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AREN'T ALL CENTERED IN THE LAKE ASBURY AREA. SOME ARE PUTS ROADS IN PLACES WHERE WE DON'T HAVE ROADS THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE YEARS AND YEARS AGO. CHESTWICK OAKS UP IN THE OAK LEAF AREA OFF ARGYLE FOREST, THOSE FOLK LIVE IN A CUL-DE-SAC AND THEY CAN'T EVEN GET OUT WITHOUT HAVING TO GO TO DUVAL COUNTY. WE'RE TAKING THAT BULL BY THE HORNS AND TRYING TO MAKE THINGS RIGHT AND IT DOES TAKE TIME AND EFFORT TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT BUT WE'RE ON THE WAY. BUT WE DID HEAR YOU TONIGHT. ALL OF YOU THAT SPOKE. WE APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT YOU CAME OUT TODAY TO LET US KNOW HOW YOU FEEL. COMMISSIONER HENDRY: THAT GOES FOR ME ALSO. COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: HE HASN'T GOT ENOUGH PAVED ROAD IN HIS DISTRICT TO REPAVE OUR PARKING LOT. I DO FEEL SORRY FOR HIM. HE IS THE MASTER OF DIRT ROADS. IS THAT CORRECT SIR? COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: SERVANT OF DIRT ROADS [LAUGHTER] COMMISSIONER HENDRY: BUT I SAY THIS EVERY DAY FOLKS. I'M OUT THERE. I LIVE OUT THERE. MY KIDS THERE. MY WIFE'S OUT THERE. YOU ARE NOT TALKING TO A PERSON WHO REALLY DOESN'T CARE ABOUT THE SITUATION. AS LONG AS I'M HERE, I'M GOING DO WHAT I CAN TO MAKE THIS UP TO SOME STANDARD OF LIVING, SOME LEVEL OF STANDARD THAT JUST MAKES IT EASIER FOR ALL OF US TO FUNCTION ON A DAY-TO-DAY BASIS. CHAIRMAN CELLA: WELL SAID. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. LET'S [26.  5:00 Time Certain or as soon thereafter as can be heard - Final Public Hearing to Consider Rezoning Application Z-19-11 RC to AR (PC Voted 6-0 Approve)] MOVE TO 26. ED, ARE YOU HANDLING THAT ONE? SPEAKER: YES, SIR. CHAIRMAN CELLA: FINAL PUBLIC HEARING TO RECONSIDER ZONING APPLICATION Z-19-11 SPEAKER: A REQUEST TO REZONE 1.2 ACRE FROM RC TO AR. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING THE CHANGE TO SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTS. RIGHT NOW ZONING ONLY ALLOWS FOR DUPLEX AND TRI-PLEXES. THE PLANNING COMMISSION VOTED TO APPROVE. THIS IS ON MADISON ACROSS FROM RIDGEVIEW HIGH. AND THERE'S SOME AIR AERIALS. IT'S UNDEVELOPED. IT'S REALLY NO INCREASE IN DENSITY. IF YOU DO SINGLE FAMILY YOU ARE PROBABLY DECREASING THE AMOUNT OF UNITS YOU CAN BUILD. SO, PLANNING DIVISION RECOMMENDED APPROVAL. CHAIRMAN CELLA: OKAY. ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ED? COMMISSIONER BOLLA: WHAT WERE THEY ORIGINALLY GOING TO PUT IN THERE? SPEAKER: WE DON'T SEE MUCH RC ZONING. IT'S JUST FOR DUPLEXES AND TRI-PLEXES. THAT'S THE ONLY THING YOU CAN DO. COMMISSIONER BOLLA: WENT FROM THAT TO SINGLE FAMILY. SPEAKER: THERE'S REALLY RC ON BOTH SIDES BUT THERE'S SINGLE FAMILY ZONES AROUND IT. CHAIRMAN CELLA: OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS? LET'S OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR NUMBER 26. THAT'S THE SITE ON MADISON AVENUE. I DON'T HAVE ANY CARDS FOR IT. ANYBODY HERE TO TALK ABOUT IT? NO. ALL RIGHT. WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND BRING IT BACK TO THE BOARD. DO WE HEAR A MOTION? COMMISSIONER: I'LL MOVE APPROVAL. COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: SECOND. CHAIRMAN CELLA: ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? SPEAKER: I JUST POINT OUT THIS IS BACK IN THE RIDGE AREA AND THAT'S WHERE WE CAN'T GET PEOPLE IN AND OUT. THE TPO IS GOING TO DO A STUDY ON THAT NEXT YEAR. WE BROUGHT UP THE POSSIBILITY OF PUTTING A NEW INTERSECTION IN THERE SOMEWHERE. THAT'S A CONCERN. IF WE INCREASE A LOT OF DENSITY IN THERE YOU JUST CAN'T GET OUT. COMMISSIONER HENDRY: WHO IS THE APPLICANT ON THIS? SPEAKER: IT'S JUST THE GENTLEMAN WHO OWNS THE PROPERTY. COMMISSIONER HENDRY: OKAY. SPEAKER: IT'S NOT THAT BIG. COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: BUT IT'S NOT INCREASING THE DENSITY. SPEAKER: NO LESS UNITS. SPEAKER: URBAN CORPS IS 1 TO 5. WE'RE NOT CHANGING LAND USE. AR IS ONE UNIT PER FIVE ACHE ERRS. CHAIRMAN CELLA: OKAY. DID WE GET A MOTION? AND A SECOND. OKAY. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES 5-0. [27.  5:00 Time Certain or as soon thereafter as can be heard - Final Public Hearing to Consider Transmittal of CPA 2019-08: 104.43 Acres from Agriculture to Rural Residential (PC voted 6-0 to approve with amendments)] NUMBER 27. AS A FINAL PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER TRANSMITTAL OF THE CPA2019-08. SPEAKER: I'M ON A ROLL. THIS IS [02:45:05] A PUBLIC AREA. LARGE SCALE LAND USE AMENDMENT. THIS IS FOR TRANSMITTAL TO COME BACK FOR ADOPTION THAT IS INITIATED BY STAFF FOR 69 PARCELS ALONG CARTER SPENCER ROAD 1.43 ACRES. THE APPLICANT IS THE COUNTY. IT'S IN COMMISSIONER ROLLIN'S DISTRICT. THE PLANNING DISTRICT RECOMMENDED REMOVAL OF THE 648.3 ACRE PARCELS. HERE IS THE MAP. IT'S MOSTLY ONE ACRE PARCELS IN AN AREA SURROUNDED BY WATER MANA MANAGEMENT DISTRICT TO THE NORTH AND SOUTH AND SINGLE FAMILY TO THE EAST AND WEST. THE ONLY PARCEL CONFORMING RIGHT NOW IS NONE. NONE OF THESE PARCELS ARE CONFORMING TO 1-20 TO AG. HERE'S AS YOU CAN SEE IT'S MOSTLY SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING UNITS AND MOBILE HOMES OR REGULAR HOUSES JUST IN AN AREA THAT FOR SOME UNKNOWN REASON TO ANYBODY IS ZONING IS AG. IT'S AN ENCLAVE OF AG WITHIN A RURAL RESIDENTIAL AREA. AS YOU CAN SEE BY THE PARCEL MAPS, IT PRETTY MUCH AS THE SAME, IN FACT IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S MORE PARCELS PER ACRE THAN THERE ARE ON EITHER SIDE. BUT FOR SOME REASON THIS WAS GIVEN AS AG LAND. AGAIN, IT HAS NO EFFECT ON LEVEL OF SERVICE BECAUSE IN REALITY THE ONLY POTENTIAL IMPACT IS INCREASE OF ONE DWELLING UNIT ON THE ENTIRE 104 ACRES. THE REASON WE'RE COMING BEFORE YOU AS AN OWNER OF THE 12.91 ACRE PARCEL WANTED TO DIVIDE HIS LAND TO CONSTRUCT ONE DWELLING WAS NOT APPROVED UNDER AG. STAFF HOWEVER WHEN HE MET WITH US TO DO A LAND USE CHANGE FOR HIS PARCEL WE WOULDN'T BE IN FAVOR CREATING ENCLAVE OF RURAL ENTISTY WITHIN THE LARGER AG LAND USE. WE THOUGHT THE WHOLE AREA SHOULD BE RURAL RESIDENTIAL CONSISTENT WITH THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD. STAFF BELIEVES CHANGING TO RURAL RESIDENTIAL WAS CONSISTENT WITH THE CHARACTER OF THE SURROUNDING PARCELS. THE PLANNING COMMISSION VOTED TO TAKE THIS PARCEL OUT. THIS GENTLEMAN WANTED TO REMAINS A AG EVEN THOUGH HIS PARCEL IS KIND OF HALF RR. HE'S GOT THIS LARGE PARCEL. AND HALF AG. HE'S GOT TWO LAND USES ON HIS PROPERTY. BUT WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE LAND USE FOR THIS SUBJECT PARCEL. CHAIRMA COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: JUST TO CLARIFY. IF YOU GO FROM AG TO RURAL RESIDENTIAL YOU STILL HAVE THE SAME AGRICULTURAL USES YOU JUST HAVE THE OPTION OF BUILDING A LOW DENSITY HOUSE ON THE AG CORRECT? SPEAKER: IN THIS CASE THERE ARE 84 PERCENT OF THE PROPERTIES ALREADY HAVE PROPERTIES THEY'RE ALL NON-CONFORMING. IN FACT THIS DOESN'T MAKE ANY OF THEM CONFORMING BECAUSE IT'S STILL ONE UNIT PER FIVE ACRES. COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: IF THE GENTLEMAN, THE PROPERTY TAKEN OUT, ARE YOU -- YOU GUYS ARE AGAINST THAT JUST BECAUSE IT CREATES ENCLAVES? SPEAKER: WE'RE NOT REALLY AGAINST HIM DOING IT. WE JUST DIDN'T MAKE ANY SENSE WHY THE WHOLE AREA WOULD REMAIN AG SINCE IT'S NOT AN AREA OF AG PROPERTY. HIS PARCEL IS RIGHT HERE. THIS PARCEL RIGHT HERE. YOU CAN SEE ALL THE OTHER PARCELS ARE SMALLER AND WHY WAS AG IS A MYSTERY TO ANYBODY THAT WE KNOW OF. COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: I AGREE IT IS A MYSTERY. BUT IF WE WANTS TO AND IT'S HIS PROPERTY I SAY WE CARVE THAT OUT AND MOVE FORWARD WITH IT. I MEAN, WITHOUT THAT PROPERTY IN THERE, IF THAT'S WHAT HE WANTS TO DO SPEAKER: WE DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT RECOMMENDATION FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSIONER:. COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: LATER SOMEBODY MIGHT WANT AG RESIDENTIAL. SPEAKER: THAT'S THE X WHERE THE AIRSTRIP IS RIGHT THERE. SO, HE WANTED THAT CARVED OUT AND RETAINED AG. COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: THAT WOULD MAKE SENSE TO ME. CHAIRMAN CELLA: YOU ARE SAYING MOST OF THOSE LOTS HAVE HOMES ON THEM? SPEAKER: 84% HAVE HOUSES ON THEM. CHAIRMAN CELLA: OKAY. COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: WHAT'S THE SIZE OF THOSE LOTS? SPEAKER: MOST ARE ABOUT AN ACRE. SOME -- LIKE THERE'S A 12 ACRE AND 8 ACRE AND THE REST ARE BETWEEN 1-5. COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: HOW DID THEY GET A PERMIT? THEY DIDN'T? SPEAKER: THEY GOT PERMITS BUT I IMAGINE THEY WERE PROBABLY PERMITTED BEFORE THE COMP PLAN WAS ADOPTED OR THE NEW COMP PLAN WAS ADOPTED BACK IN THE '90S. I MEAN, THEY'RE BASICALLY ALL CON CONFORMING. COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: WE'RE GOING FROM 1-20 TO 1-5 BUT THEY'RE PRETTY MUCH 1 TO 1. COMMISSIONER BOLLA: WHAT HAPPENS GOING FORWARD WITH SOMEBODY'S [02:50:02] MOBILE HOME GETS REPLACED. SPEAKER: THEY'RE ALLOWED TO REPLACE THE IF IT IS THE SAME FOOTPRINT. THEY JUST COULDN'T INCREASE IT. COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: EVEN IF IT BURNS DOWN? SPEAKER: THEY COULD REPLACE IT. CHAIRMAN CELLA: THE QUESTION IS THEN, THERE'S NO OTHER CATEGORY THAT THAT WOULD ALL FIT IN THEM? SPEAKER: THE URBAN CORE. TO PUT URBAN CORE ON CARTER SPENCER -- COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: DEFINITELY NOT. THERESE AND I WOULD BOTH BE KILLED ON THE WAY OUT TONIGHT [LAUGHTER] CHAIRMAN CELLA: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? WE NEED A PUBLIC HEARING SO WE'LL HELP THE PUBLIC HEARING. SINCE WE'RE THE APPLICANT I GUESS WE DON'T HAVE TO HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT. ANYBODY HAVE A COMMENT ON THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE, NUMBER 27? SEEING NONE, WE'LL BRING IT BACK TO THE BOARD. COMMISSIONER: MOVE APPROVAL WITH THE CHANGE AS RECOMMENDED BY THE PLANNING COUNCIL WITH A PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT WAS RECOMMENDED BY THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY BE CARVE OUT AND REMAIN AGRICULTURE. COMMISSIONER HENDRY: SECOND. CHAIRMAN CELLA: ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES 5-0. ON TO NUMBER 28. THIS IS THE FIRST PUBLIC HEARING [28.  5:00 Time Certain or as soon thereafter as can be heard - First Public Hearing to Consider Transmittal of New Transportation Element Policy (P.C. voted 5-0 to approve).] TO CONSIDER TRANSMITTAL OF THE NEW TRANSPORTATION ELEMENT POLICY WHICH ENCOURAGES THE FDOT TO MAKE WIDENING OF STATE ROAD 16 PRIORITY. SPEAKER: I'M GOING SPARE YOU A POWER POINT PRESENTATION. THIS IS ADDING TRA POLICY 1.1.7 WHICH READS IN RATION OF THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE STRESSWAY AT STATE ROAD 15 CLAY COUNTY RECOMMENDS THE FOUR LANING FROM GREEN COVE SPRINGS TO THE FIRST COAST EXPRESSWAY BE GIVEN THE HIGHEST PRIORITY IN THE FIVE YEAR WORK PROGRAM. D.O.T. LOOKS FOR PRIORITIES AND THIS PROVIDES THEM WITH THE INFORMATION WE WOULD LIKE THIS TO BE ONE OF THEIR HIGH PRIORITIES. IT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE TPO. IT'S CONSISTENT WITH GREEN COVE SPRINGS PLAN. THEY SHOW IT AS FOUR LANES WITHIN THEIR SECTION. AND IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE FAIRGROUNDS MASTER PLAN. SO WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL. CHAIRMAN CELLA: ALSO CONSISTENT WITH OUR LEGISLATIVE PRIORITY. LET'S OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING THEN. DO WE HAVE ANYBODY THAT WOULD LIKE TO COMMENT ON NUMBER 28? SEEING NONE, WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND BRING IT BACK TO THE BOARD. COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: MOVE FOR APPROVAL. CHAIRMAN CELLA: ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? ANY OPPOSED. MOTION CARRIES 5-0. I BELIEVE THAT CONCLUDES OUR 5:00 TIME CERTAINS. WE MOVE ON TO NUMBER 11 WHICH IS THE DISCUSSION CONCERNING THE SOLITE PROPERTY LAKE ASBURY MASTER PLAN. THAT'S NUMBER 11. SORRY, [8.  Approval of Interlocal Agreement Regarding Veterans' Suicide Prevention: Northeast Florida Fire Watch Council, along with Appointment of Clay County Member and Designation of County Commissioner Liaison] NUMBER 8. APPROVAL OF INNER-LOCAL AGREEMENT REGARDING THE VETERANS SUICIDE PREVENTION. COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: I KNOW WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS BUT SUICIDE IS THE NUMBER ONE CAUSE OF DEATH AMONG VETERANS. THERE ARE DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS, NONPROFITS IN THE VA, THERE ARE DIFFERENT EFFORTS UNDERWAY TO TACKLE THIS CRISIS, BUT THERE'S NEVER BEEN A HOLISTIC, COORDINATED EFFORT IN A REGION. AND THIS WOULD BRING FIVE COUNTIES TOGETHER TO TARGET VETERANS SUICIDE USING A VARIETY OF THINGS -- AWARENESS, SELF-CARE, IDENTIFICATION OF RISK -- A VARIETY OF THINGS. CALL NUMBERS AND DIFFERENT THINGS. BASICALLY A COORDINATION OF EFFORT IS THE GOAL PLAIN AND SIMPLE. AND SO THE GROUP WOULD GET TOGETHER SORT OF LIKE A COMMITTEE ALMOST AND PROBABLY START BY LOOKING AT THE RESEARCH OUT THERE, COME UP WITH A STRATEGIC PLAN, FIGURE OUT WAYS TO COORDINATE IT. AND THEN PART OF THAT IS ALSO APPLYING FOR GRANTS THROUGH THE DEPARTMENT OF VETERANS AFFAIRS AND OTHER FEDERAL GRANTS, FEDERAL AND STATE GRANTS TO TRY TO TACKLE THIS WITH THE GOAL OF TRACKING AND SEEING IF WE CAN REDUCE NORTHEAST VETERANS SUICIDE. AND OBVIOUSLY THE NORTHEAST FLORIDA HAS A LARGE VETERAN POPULATION. AND ST. JOHNS HAS ALREADY APPROVED IT. BAKER HAS. NASSAU HAS ALREADY APPROVED IT AND JACKSONVILLE IS DISCUSSING IT AS WE SPEAK. AND/OR MAY HAVE ALREADY APPROVED IT. I HAVEN'T GOTTEN TO SEE THEIR MEETING. SO, FOR US WHAT DOES IT ACTUALLY INVOLVE? IT INVOLVES US AGREEING TO BE THE INNER-LOCAL. I DOESN'T CURRENTLY REQUIRE MONEY. BUT DOWN THE ROAD ONCE IT TAKES [02:55:03] MORE SHAPE IT MIGHT REQUIRE SOME FINANCIAL COMMITMENT. BUT AT THIS POINT WHAT WE'RE APPROVING TONIGHT DOES NOT REQUIRE ANY ACTUAL FINANCIAL COMMITMENT. AND WITH THAT I WOULD JUST -- IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FEEL FREE TO ANSWER THEM. I KNOW WE ALL RECEIVED AN EMAIL FROM VETERAN WHO HAD QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS. I TALKED WITH THAT VETERAN AND PLAN TO CONTINUE TO ENGAGE WITH THE VETERAN COMMUNITY TO EXPLAIN WHAT THIS ORGANIZATION IS GOING TO DO. ONE CONCERN THAT WAS BROUGHT UP WAS THAT MAYBE CERTAIN ORGANIZATION MIGHT BENEFIT OR THAT IT WAS BEING PROPOSED AS A RESULT OF A CERTAIN ORGANIZATION. I CAN ENSURE YOU THAT'S NOT THE CASE. ANY OF THE ORGANIZATIONS OR NONPROFITS INVOLVED ARE GOING TO BE DONATING AND GIVING TO THIS CAUSE AS OPPOSED TO RECEIVING ANY BENEFIT FROM IT. AND THIS IS JUST REALLY COME FROM AN EFFORT TO SEE A HOLISTIC EFFORT TOWARDS VETERANS SUICIDE AS OPPOSED TO WHAT'S HAPPENING WHICH IS A LOT OF GREAT WORK BUT JUST ONE HERE AND HERE AND NOT NECESSARILY COORDINATION OF THOSE EFFORTS. SO. AND MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE FOR AS FAR AS THE BOARD MEMBER, I TALKED TO COLONEL BIRNEY WHO I KNOW SERVED AS A COLLEAGUE WHILE I WAS IN AFRICA AND HE IS WILLING TO SERVE TO KIND OF GET IT STOOD UP AND THEN WORK WITH US TO FIND SOMEBODY WHO WOULD BE ON THERE MORE LONG TERM. HE WOULD PROBABLY BE IN A TEMPORARY ROLE. BUT HE IS WILLING TO SERVE TO KIND OF HELP GET THINGS GOING IN THE BEGINNING. SO THAT WOULD BE THE RECOMMENDATION, IF THE BOARD APPROVED IT. CHAIRMA COMMIS COMMISSIONER BOLLA: YOU SHED THERE'S NO FINANCIAL COMMITMENT AT THIS TIME. IF THERE IS ONE IN THE FUTURE WILL WE HAVE A CHANCE TO REVIEW IT OR IS IT A BLANK CHECK? COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: THE INNER-LOCAL ACTUALLY DOES NOT INCLUDE US IN THERE WITH ANY KIND OF FINANCIAL CONTRIBUTION. THERE'S NO LEGAL REQUIREMENT. BUT IF WE DID WANT TO -- BECAUSE RIGHT NOW IT'S NOT CLEAR WHAT THE MONEY WOULD GO TOWARDS SPECIFICALLY. AND SO ONCE THE FORMATION OF THE COMMITTEE MEETS AND STARTS DEVELOPING THOSE GOALS, IF THERE WAS, FOR INSTANCE, A GRANT THAT WE WERE APPLYING FOR THAT REQUIRED A MATCH, THAT WOULD COME BACK TO US IN A SPECIFIC EAU REQUEST FOR A SPECIFIC AMOUNT FOR A SPECIFIC GRANT. THAT TYPE OF THING. THIS IS JUST THE INNER-LOCAL TO COMMIT US TO BEING PART OF THE ORGANIZATION IS MY UNDERSTANDING. IS THAT COUNTY ATTORNEY YOUR -- SPEAKER: YES. SO THE AGREEMENT TERM IS FOR 8 YEARS WITH AN OPPORTUNITY TO RENEW IT. BUT IT ALSO HAS THE PROVISION THAT YOU CAN TERMINATE AND REMOVE YOURSELF FROM THE GROUP WHEN YOU WOULD LIKE. AS FAR AS FINANCIAL CONTRIBUTIONS? IT SPECIFICALLY PROVIDES THAT THERE IS NO COMMITMENT AND EVEN IF YOU DO PROVIDE A COMMITMENT, IT IS NOT A CONTINUING COMMITMENT. IT DOES REQUEST THAT IF YOU ARE GOING TO PROVIDE A COMMITMENT AT LEAST FOR THE FIRST YEAR THAT YOU DO SO WITHIN THE FIRST 30 DAYS. JACKSONVILLE HAS COMMITTED 70,000. BAKER HAS COMMITTED $10,000. NASSAU HAS COMMITTED $5,000. AND ST. JOHNS UP TO $15,000. BUT OUR COUNTY HAS NOT COMMITTED. CHAIRMAN CELLA: IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT ST. JOHNS WOULD LIKE TO SEE US COME IN SO THEY WOULD HAVE TO DO A LESSER COMMITMENT? SPEAKER: RIGHT. I THINK COMMISSIONER ROLLINS CAN SPEAK TO THIS. THE GOAL WAS TO START OFF WITH $100,000. AND SO THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR. COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: I THINK THE INTENT ON THAT WAS JUST TO SHOW WE'RE SERIOUS, THERE'S A COMMITMENT. BUT THE THING THAT I -- IN DISCUSSIONS WITH OTHER COUNTIES, THE CONCERN, WHICH I KNOW THAT OTHER COMMISSIONERS SHARE BECAUSE THEY'VE SAID SO PUBLICLY AND IN EITHER MEETINGS, WHERE IS IT GOING SPECIFICALLY. SO THAT'S WHERE -- I SAID I THINK WE'RE NOT OPPOSED TO MAYBE DOWN THE ROAD ONCE WE HAVE A CLARITY ON WHAT THAT'S GOING TO SPECIFICALLY GO TOWARDS. SO, EVEN IF WE DID MAYBE 5. BUT, AGAIN, ONCE THAT FIVE IS COMMITTED WE STILL HAVE TO APPROVE WHAT IT'S GOING TOWARDS. FROM AN ACCOUNTING STANDPOINT THAT'S CORRECT RIGHT? COMMISSIONER BOLLA: CAN WE CONTROL THAT WHEN ANOTHER GROUP IS SPENDING THE FUNDS AND THEY'VE ALREADY GOT THE MONEY? I DON'T THINK WE CAN. SPEAKER: ACCORDING TO THE AGREEMENT IT GOES INTO THE JACKSONVILLE CALLS IT AN AGENCY FUND. WHICH IS A TYPE OF A TRUST FUND JUST FOR THIS SPECIFIC GROUP. SO THAT IT WOULD BE USED IN CONNECTION WITH THE GRANTS THEY WILL BE APPLYING FOR. IN JACKSONVILLE IN ADDITION TO THE CONTRIBUTION THEY'RE OFFERING IN-KIND CONTRIBUTION OF THEIR ADMINISTRATIVE STAFF TO HANDLE THE GRANTS FOR THE COMMITTEE OR THE COUNCIL. CHAIRMAN CELLA: I THINK WE'VE [03:00:02] TALKED ABOUT THAT. YOU KNOW, THE MONEY WOULD PROBABLY COME OUT OF OUR VETERAN SERVICES OFFICE LINE WHICH, YOU KNOW, THAT PUTS A CHINK IN OUR LOCAL EFFORT. BUT, I MEAN, IF THAT'S WHAT IT'S GOING TO TAKE. THE MONEY THING IS -- I WOULD RATHER HAVE THEM SAY, YOU KNOW, WE NEED YOU TO DO THIS THAN SORT OF LEAVE THAT OPEN. IT GETS ME A LITTLE NERVOUS. COMMISSIONER BOLLA: IT SOUNDS LIKE A -- I DON'T KNOW I CAN'T CONTROL THE MONEY AND I'VE GIVEN MONEY TO SOMEBODY AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S FOR. AND, I MEAN, WE'VE GOT CHARITABLE -- OUR CHARITABLE ENVELOPE HAS BEEN FILLED TO THE BRIM ALREADY. I THINK IT IS A GOOD CAUSE. DON'T GET ME WRONG. I'M JUST QUESTIONING THE STRUCTURE AND HOW THAT'S SET UP AND HOW THE GIVING IS GOING TO FLOW. A, I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN AFFORD IT. WE PROBABLY CAN AT A SMALL LEVEL. BUT IF WE ARE TALKING $100,000, I GOT TO QUESTION THAT YOU KNOW. COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: THAT WAS THE TOTALITY NOT -- BUT I THINK THE GOAL WAS TO BECOME A MEMBER OF THE FIVE COUNTY COALITION AND THEN IF WE CHOSE TO CONTRIBUTE TO IT WE CAN. WE AREN'T REQUIRED TO AS PART OF MEMBERSHIP. COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: LET ME JUST SAY I FEEL LIKE YOU PUT YOUR MONEY WHERE YOUR MOUTH IS. IF WE'RE TRULY COMMITTED TO EXPERIMENTING IN A WAY TO SEE IF THERE'S -- IF WE CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE AND MOVE THE NEEDLE ON THE CRISIS, I MEAN, Y'ALL IF WE CAN'T GET $5,000. YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE SEED MONEY WHEN STARTING AN ORGANIZATION. SO, I DON'T THINK -- TO ME, I WOULD JUST FEEL UNCOMFORTABLE THAT WE'RE THE ONLY COUNTY IF WE DIDN'T GIVE A DIME. COMMISSIONER HENDRY: AND WE HAVE THE OPTION ONCE WE GIVE THEM THAT FIRST BATCH OF MONEY THEY'VE GOT TO BE ACCOUNTABLE. IF WE DON'T LIKE WHAT THEY DID WIT, WE DON'T HAVE TO GIVE THEM ANYMORE. COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: THE POINT OF THE BOARD IS IT'S PUBLICLY ADVERTISED MEETINGS. IT'S UNDER THE SUNSHINE. AND WE HAVE GENERAL FLEMING, THE MAYOR OF JACKSONVILLE IS ON BOARD. AND IF THIS PASSES THE SIGNING FOR IT WILL BE AT JACKSONVILLE CITY HALL. THE HEAD OF THE DEPARTMENT OF THE MILITARY AFFAIRS FOR FLORIDA IS AWARE AND SUPPORTIVE OF THE IDEA. SO IT'S NOT JUST SOME RANDOM ORGANIZATION THAT'S NOT -- AND THE GOAL IS LIKE YOU ARE SAYING COMMISSIONER HUTCHINGS, YES, WE DON'T HAVE ALL THE SPECIFICS YET IN TERMS OF -- BUT WE'VE GOT TO START SOMEWHERE. I MEAN, THE CRIES IS -- AS OF NOW THE LEADING CAUSE. 45,000 SINCE THEY IDENTIFIED 20 A DAY WERE DYING. 45,000 VETERANS DIED BY SUICIDE. IT IS A NATIONAL SECURITY RISK TOO. BECAUSE IF WE CAN'T FIGURE OUT A WAY TO INTEGRATE THAT BACK INTO -- INTEGRATE VETERANS COMING BACK INTO SOCIETY AND THERE ARE -- LIKE I SAID, THERE ARE PROGRAMS THAT ARE DOING GOOD WORK, IT'S JUST A MATTER OF COORDINATING IN A HOLISTIC WAY. BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT TRACKING THE NUMBERS LOCALLY. THAT'S ONE OF THE BIG THINGS THIS ORGANIZATION WILL DO. TRACK THE NUMBERS LOCALLY AND SEE WHERE WE NEED TO GO. FOR INSTANCE, MR. FAGAN'S ORGANIZATION, OPERATIONAL BAR BARNABUS, DOES A GREAT JOB IN TAKE ONES AND TWO INDIVIDUALS AND REALLY MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN THEIR LIVES. BUT IT'S NOT COORDINATED WITH OTHER ORGANIZATIONS. AND THAT'S WHAT THIS GROUP WOULD HELP DO. IT WOULDN'T REINVENT THE WHEEL IT WOULD COORDINATE A TACTICAL OPERATION CENTER AND HELP COORDINATE EFFORTS SO IT'S WORKING TOGETHER. COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: THE AGREEMENT SPECIFICALLY PROVIDES THEY WILL REPORT NO LESS THAN ANNUALLY ON THE DIFFERENT FINDINGS, STRATEGIES, PROGRAMS AND PROGRESS MADE TOWARDS THE COUNCIL'S GOALS. SO, YOU WILL BE INFORMED. AS PART OF THIS, IN ADDITION TO APPOINTING A MEMBER TO SERVE AS THE CLAY COUNTY REPRESENTATIVE MEMBER, YOU ALSO WILL NEED TO APPOINT ONE OF YOU TO BE OUR LIAISON. COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: I UNDERSTAND THERE ARE A LOT OF GOOD CAUSES. I DO. I UNDERSTAND WE CAN'T TACKLE EVERY ISSUE OUT THERE. BUT I THINK THAT GIVEN THE MAKEUP OF OUR COUNTY, GIVEN THE, YOU KNOW, EVEN JUST THE TIMEFRAME. WE STARTED THE MEETING I THINK IN AN AMAZING WAY IN RECOGNIZING THE VETERANS IN OUR COMMUNITY. AND THIS IS JUST -- IT TRULY IS A CRISIS THAT WHAT THIS DOES AND WHAT IT HAS ALREADY DONE IS BRING AWARENESS. AND THAT'S ONE OF THE KEY STEPS. THEN OTHER EFFORTS ALONG THE WAY CAN HELP. IT SHOWS A COMMITMENT AT THE GOVERNMENT LEVEL BUT IT ALSO ENGAGING THE PRIVATE SECTOR. SOME OF THE PROPOSALS ARE TRAINING FOR CLERGY SO THEY UNDERSTAND. BECAUSE NOT EVERY VETERAN IS GOING TO GO TO A COUNSELING CENTER. TRAININGS FOR CLERGY AND EFFORTS TO [03:05:02] IDENTIFY HAVING A STRUCTURE WHERE YOU UNDERSTAND. BECAUSE WE KNOW IF YOU HAVE GONE ON ONE DEPLOYMENT YOU HAVE A RISK. BUT IF YOU HAVE GONE ON THREE DEPLOYMENTS, YOUR RISK INCREASES GREATLY. THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. SO THIS ORGANIZATION WILL DO THAT. AND WE'RE VERY HOPEFUL MEMBERS OF THIS ORGANIZATION HAVE MET WITH LAURA TRUMP AND OTHER PEOPLE IN D.C. AND WE'RE HOPEFUL THAT THIS CAN BE A MODEL FOR HOW TO COMBAT VETERAN SUICIDE ACROSS THIS COUNTRY. AND THAT NOT ONLY VETERANS SUICIDE BUT SUICIDE IS THE TENTH LEADING CAUSE OF DEATH EVEN AMONG NON-VETERANS. SO HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE OVER THE PAST FEW YEARS HAVE DIED FROM SUICIDE ACROSS THE BOARD. IF WOE WE CAN FIGURE OUT HOW TO ATTACK OUR HIGHEST RISK, VETERANS ARE SUPER HIGH RISK COMPARED TO OTHER GROUPS, THEN WE HAVE A CHANCE OF MAKE AN IMPACT IN TERMS OF MENTAL HEALTH AND SUICIDE ACROSS THE BOARD SO. CHAIRMAN CELLA: OKAY. WE'VE GOT TWO ISSUES. ONE, PASS THE INNER-LOCAL AND THEN MAKE A DECISION AS TO WHETHER WE WANT TO OFFER ANY DOLLARS TO GO ALONG WITH THAT? OR BRING THAT BACK. WE HAVE 30 DAYS AFTER WE SIGN THE AGREEMENT TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT. COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: WE NEED TO PASS THE INNERLOCAL AND APPOINT A MEMBER OF THE BOARD. CHAIRMAN CELLA: DESIGNATED LIAISON. WE'VE GOT TO PASS IT FIRST. COMMISSIONER HENDRY: I WOULD LDMOVE WE APPROVE THE INNER-LOC AGREEMENT AND TABLE THE ISSUE ON THE MONEY UNTIL NEXT TIME. GIVE US A CHANCE TO SEE WHAT MONEYS WE'VE GOT STASHED AWAY BACK THERE THAT COULD HELP THIS PROJECT AND MAKE A DECISION ON THAT AT THIS TIME. CHAIRMAN CELLA: DO WE HAVE A SECOND? COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: SECOND. CHAIRMAN CELLA: ANY OTHER DISCUSSION OR QUESTIONS? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES 5-0. I THINK THE COMMISSIONER SAID HE HAS ALREADY TALKED TO COLONEL BIRNEY WHO SAID HE WOULD SERVE ON AN INTERIM BASIS TO GET THE ORGANIZATION UP AND RUNNING AS OUR MEMBER AND I CAN'T THINK OF ANYBODY BETTER THAT WOULD CERTAINLY SERVE THERE. COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: AGAIN, AS WE'RE IN DISCUSSIONS, IF THERE IS SOMEBODY WHO IS PASSIONATE, A VETERAN IN OUR COMMUNITY, COLONEL BIRNEY WAS WILLING TO SERVE BUT HE HAS A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS GOING, SO IT WAS ONE OF THOSE WHERE BASICALLY I SAID CAN YOU SERVE PLEASE, AND HE SAID ABSOLUTELY, BUT IF THERE'S -- WE WANT HELP. HE WANTS TO PASS THE TORCH AT SOME POINT. CHAIRMAN CELLA: THAT WILL MAYBE WHAT WE DO IS MAKE IT A YEARLY TERM FOR A MEMBER. COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: THE TERM SAYS FOUR YEARS IN THE AGREEMENT. BUT IF HE STEPPED DOWN THEN WE COULD APPOINT SOMEBODY. CHAIRMAN CELLA: RIGHT. SO, LET'S GET STARTED WITH THE MEETINGS THEN MAYBE AT THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR WE CAN SEE IF WE GET SOMEBODY ELSE INTERESTED IN DOING THAT. OUR LIAISON I WOULD THINK THAT COMMISSIONER ROLLINS WOULD MAKE A FINE LIAISON SINCE HE IS IN TOUCH WITH WHAT'S HAPPENING THERE AND THE GOALS AND IDEALS OF THE GROUP. SO I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT. COMMISSIONER ROLLINS:. THANK YOU. AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT. I UNDERSTAND SOME OF THE SPECIFICS ARE FUZZY BUT I APPRECIATE THE HEART IN UNDERSTANDING THIS IS AN IMPORTANT CRISIS THAT WE NEED TO TACKLE. I'M EXCITED AND HOPEFUL THAT WE CAN MAKE SOME PROGRESS IN THIS AREA. CHAIRMAN CELLA: DO WE NEED TO VOTE ON THAT OR IS THAT JUST LIKE A COMMITTEE CHAIRMAN? LIKE THE OTHER COMMITTEES? COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: I'LL MOVE WE APPOINT COMMISSIONER ROLLINS AS COMMISSION LIAISON AND COLONEL BIRNEY AS THE MEMBER TO THE COUNCIL. COMMISSIONER: SECOND. CHAIRMAN CELLA: ANY OTHER DISCUSSION. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. OPPOSED. MOTION CARRIES 5-0. WE'LL LET YOU -- COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. CHAIRMAN CELLA: WE'LL LET YOU DELIVER THE NEWS TO COLONEL BIRNEY. NUMBER 9. DISCUSSION REGARDING ESTABLISHMENT OF 2020 [9.  Discussion regarding establishment of 2020 Road Maintenance MSBU for maintenance of roads within certain identified subdivisions] ROAD MAINTENANCE MSBU. SPEAKER: YES, AS YOU MAY RECALL EARLIER THIS YEAR THE BOARD MADE A DECISION IN CONNECTION WITH THE MAINTENANCE OF SUBDIVISION ROADS THAT IN CONNECTION WHEN THE DEVELOPER BROUGHT TO THE BOARD FOR ACCEPTANCE OF THOSE ROADS AND MAINTENANCE THAT THE BOARD, DEPENDING ON WHERE YOU FELL ON THE TIMELINE, THAT THE BOARD WOULD ACCEPT THE ROADS FOR PUBLIC USE BUT WOULD CONDITION THAT ON A FUNDING SOURCE TO MAINTAIN THEM. AND THE IDEA AT THE TIME WAS SETTING UP AN MSBU FOR EACH SUBDIVISION THAT CAME THROUGH. AT THIS POINT, THE TIMEFRAME AS YOU WILL REMEMBER HOW WE HAD TO DO WITH THE STORM WATER IN DECEMBER IF YOU WISH TO PROCEED FORWARD WE HAVE TO DO A [03:10:04] RESOLUTION OF INTENT. NOW THAT HAPPEN -- IT WOULD HAPPEN IN DECEMBER BECAUSE WE HAVE TO HAVE IT DONE BY JANUARY 1ST. YOU THEN HAVE UNTIL WE BRING IT BACK TO YOU WITH THE INITIAL RESOLUTION IN THE BEGINNING OF THE SUMMER. AT THIS TIME, YOU DO HAVE ONE SUBDIVISION THAT YOU ACCEPTED BUT TOLD THEM IT WAS CONTINGENT ON THE FUNDING SOURCE. SO IT WOULD BE OUR SUGGESTION THAT WE GO AHEAD AND MOVE FORWARD TO GET THE PROCESS SET UP FOR THAT MSBU FOR THAT SUBDIVISION. IF THE BOARD IS IN AGREEMENT WITH THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO PUBLISH THE NOTICE BEGINNING IN NOVEMBER THEN WE WOULD BRING BACK TO YOU THE INITIAL RESOLUTION IN DECEMBER. CHAIRMAN CELLA: OTHERWISE WE HAVE TO WAIT A FULL YEAR BEFORE WE IMPLEMENT IT. I THINK WE GET IT STARTED THEN IF WE HAVE OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS BROUGHT TO US WE INCORPORATE THEM FOR 2021. SPEAKER: BECOME PROBABLY A STANDARD EVERY YEAR THIS TIME OF YEAR. ALL RIGHT WE'LL GET TO WORK ON THAT. CHAIRMAN CELLA: THE ONLY ONE OUT THERE IS THE SILVER OAK. SPEAKER: SILVER OAK SUBDIVISION. CHAIRMAN CELLA: OKAY. NUMBER 10 THE CLAY COUNTY SCHOOL BOARD THE [10.  Clay County School Board IT Request] I.T. REQUEST THAT WAS GIVEN TO US AT THE LAST MEETING. I BELIEVE YOU'VE GOT BACK-UP. SPE CLIM ARE WE GOING TO HAVE JEREMY COME UP. PERFECT ALL RIGHT. I BELIEVE YOU HAVE THE -- WE'RE GETTING IT UP ON THE SCREEN BUT I BELIEVE YOU HAVE THE -- AS PART OF YOUR BACK-UP, THE INFORMATION THAT WAS OUT OF THE PRESENTATION THEY GAVE US LAST MO MONTH. PROPOSED ASK. SPEAKER: IT WILL BE A SECOND. CHAIRMAN CELLA: OKAY. I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN HEARING ANY THOUGHTS, DISCUSSION ITEMS? ARE WE READY TO HEAR THE REQUEST? EVERYBODY'S AWFULLY QUIET TONIGHT. COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: ARE WE WAITING ON A PRESENTATION? CHAIRMAN CELLA: I DON'T THINK SO. I MEAN, AT THIS POINT WE DO HAVE SCHOOL REPRESENTATIVES HERE IF WE NEED TO ASK ANY QUESTIONS. COMMISSIONER BOL YOU WANT TO GET STARTED? COMMISSIONER BOLLA:. I'LL GET STARTED ON IT. WE IDENTIFIED DARK FIBER AS BEING ONE OF THE CRITICAL AREAS AND CRITICAL THINGS WE NEED TO DO IN THE COUNTY. WE PUT IT IN OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND SAID IT WAS IMPORTANT TO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FOR BUSINESSES IN CLAY COUNTY. AND IT WAS PROBABLY AS IMPORTANT AS BUILDING A GOOD ROAD. PART OF WHAT'S GOING ON HERE IS THE SCHOOL DISTRICT ENJOYS A SPECIAL CLASSIFICATION AND I'M NOT SUPPOSED TO TALK TOO MUCH ABOUT THIS BUT IT IS A WAY AND PROBABLY OUR BEST CHANCE AT IMPLEMENTING SOMETHING LIKE THIS NOW. WE GET ABOUT A 80% FUNDING MULTIPLIER ON THIS IF WE GO THROUGH THE SCHOOL BOARD AS OPPOSED TO DOING IT ON OUR OWN. WE'VE NOT REALLY -- TROY, HAVE WE INITIATED ANYTHING ELSE ON OUR OWN ON THIS? IT'S JUST LAYING THERE. THESE GUYS HAVE PUSHED THE BALL DOWN THE ROAD PRETTY FAR WITH IT. I THINK THIS PROPOSAL DESERVES SOME MERIT IF WE CAN TIE FUNDS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE, IT WILL HELP THE CHILDREN OF CLAY COUNTY AND IT WILL HELP OUR BUSINESSES. AND IT IS A POSITIVE, REAL ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PUSH. WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT AT ONE OF THE NEXT THINGS WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT IS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. THIS IS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. WHETHER OR NOT WE WANT TO ADDRESS IT AS THAT, I KNOW WE'VE HAD ISSUES WITH THE SCHOOL BOARD IN THE PAST, AND I DON'T WANT TO START A SHOOTING CONTEST HERE, BUT I THINK THE REQUEST THAT THEY'RE MAKING TO COVER THIS FOR THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS IN LEA THEY HAVE A CHANCE TO DO THEIR TAX PROPOSAL TO THE PUBLIC IS A WORTHWHILE THING FOR US TO CONSIDER. ESPECIALLY IF WE CAN TIE THIS MONEY, THE GRANT MONEY, WE'LL CALL IT A GRANT, AND SAY IT IS TO PUSH THE BALL FURTHER ON THE DARK FIBER ISSUE. THAT'S WHAT I [03:15:01] HAVE TO SAY ABOUT IT [LAUGHTER] CHAIRMAN CELLA: JUST BEEN WARNED HE SHOULDN'T BE SPEAKING TOO MUCH OR HE WILL BE EATING DINNER ALONE TONIGHT [LAUGHTER] COMMISSIONER BOLLA: THAT'S NOT IT. I BELIEVE IN THIS. I PUSHED ED TO GET THIS ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. DIANE HAS WORKED ON IT. I THINK DARK FIBER IS A GOOD THING. NOW HOW WE FUND THIS IS THE NEXT QUESTION. THIS IS THE BEST PROPOSAL I'VE SEEN THAT IT'S GOING TO GET THIS THING DONE. CHAIRMAN CELLA: NO QUESTION. I THINK IT GIVES US AT LEAST ONE AVENUE WITHOUT RIDING THAT BOAT ALONE. WE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THAT. AND IN THE POSITION THAT WE'RE IN FINANCIALLY IN TERMS OF CAPITAL MONEYS, WE'RE LOOKING AT IT TO PUT ROADS IN PLACE RATHER THAN DARK FIBER. SO WE CAN PIGGYBACK SOME OF THE EFFORT IT DOESN'T HURT. COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: THERE ARE OTHER DIFFERENT WAYS, ONE IS THE RECORRECT LOAN GRANT PROGRAM. I WAS ABLE TO ASK THE SECRETARY OF AGRICULTURE SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THAT AND IN JANUARY THEY'LL HAVE A SECOND ROUND OF APPLICATIONS FOR THAT. IT'S GRANTS FOR RURAL ACCESS TO BROADBAND. AND THEY ARE -- HE WAS GOING TO BE IN TENNESSEE THEN SOUTH CAROLINA ANNOUNCING GRANT AWARDS FOR THE FIRST ROUND OF THE RECONNECT PROGRAM. IT'S PRETTY EARLY ON. AGAIN, THE FIRST TIME HE'S ACTUALLY ANNOUNCING THOSE. AND CONGRESS I THINK HAS APPROPRIATED $600 MILLION TOWARDS THAT EFFORT. SO, IT IS A BIPARTISAN EFFORT THAT'S SUPPORTED. THEN THE ONLY CONCERN I HAVE IS I COMPLETELY SUPPORT THE IDEA OF HAVING DARK FIBER BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE SCHOOL DISTRICT WILL MOVE FORWARD WITH IT EITHER WAY. AND THEY'RE NOT LEGALLY ALLOWED TO PARTNER WITH US ON THAT. SO I ASK VERY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS LAST MEETING. WILL DARK FIBER MOVE FORWARD WHETHER WE DO THIS OR NOT? THE ANSWER IS THEY'RE ALREADY MOVING FORWARD WITH IT. WE'RE WAITING FOR REVIEW PLEA THEY GET FEDERAL FUNDING REIMBURSEMENT FOR IT. SO, I MEAN, I SUPPORT THE IDEA OF DARK FIBER, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT THIS IS A ONE FOR ONE. WHERE IF WE SUPPORT THEIR I.T. NEEDS THEN WE AUTOMATICALLY GET DARK FIBER. THEY'RE MOVING FORWARD WIT WHETHER WE SUPPORT THEIR REQUEST OR NOT. IN FACT IT CAN'T LEGALLY BE TIED TO A REQUEST. THERE CAN'T BE ANY AGREEMENT THAT WE GIVE THEM FUNDING AND THEY PUSH FORWARD WITH DARK FIBER. SO I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT TO CLARIFY. I WOULD BE VERY HESS TENTH TO ENTER INTO ANY KIND OF LONG-TERM AGREEMENT OR INNER-LOCAL. I DEFINITELY THINK IF WE DO DO ANYTHING IT SHOULD BE VERY TEMPORARY AND VERY SPECIFIC TO A PROGRAM, THAT TYPE OF THING, AS OPPOSED TO HOW THE PREVIOUS INNER-LOCAL WAS, WHICH WAS JUST YOU GET THIS AMOUNT OF MONEY FOR EXTENDED PERIOD OF TIME. BECAUSE THERE WERE, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE THINGS WITHIN THE BUDGET AND AGAIN THOSE ARE DECISIONS THEY HAVE TO MAKE. BUT THERE WAS A $24 MILLION NEW SCHOOL BUILT WHEN THERE WAS CAPACITY IN THE SCHOOL DISTRICT FOR ADDITIONAL STUDENTS. SO THAT WAS MONEY THAT COULD HAVE BEEN SPENT ON TECHNOLOGY. THERE WAS A MILLION DOLLARS IN NEW POLICE CARS THAT WERE PURCHASED THAT COULD HAVE BEEN USED FOR TECHNOLOGY. SO, THERE IS FUNDING IN THE BUDGET FOR TECHNOLOGY AND THIS IS FUNDING THAT IS DESPERATELY NEEDED HERE AT THE COUNTY LEVEL FOR ROADS AND VARIOUS OTHER PROJECTS SO. CHAIRMAN CELLA: COMMISSION HUTCHINGS? COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: I AM IN SUPPORT OF AT LEAST AT MINIMUM DOING THE 15 MONTH AND SEE IF THEY CAN GET THE BALL OVER THE GOAL LINE FOR THE TAX ON THE BALLOT NEXT YEAR. BUT TO JUST GO AHEAD AND KEEP FUNDING THEM UNTIL THAT OCCURS, WE'LL SEE WHAT HAPPENS. SPEAKER: I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE NOTE THE SLIDE DID CHANGE SLIGHTLY AND THE UPDATED SLIDE IS UP ON THE BOARD. COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: OKAY. COMMISSIONER BOLLA: WHAT CHANGED? COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: AN AUTOMATIC END DATE. DECEMBER 2020. COMMISSIONER BOLLA: WE OUGHT TO CALL IT A GRANT THOUGH. SAY THIS IS WHAT IT'S FOR, EARMARK IT. CHAIRMAN CELLA: RIGHT. WELL, YOU KNOW, THE FACT IS THAT THE CURRENT AGREEMENT WILL SUNSET AT THE END OF THIS YEAR. SO, TEY'LL GET THIS MONTH AND NEXT MONTH AS FAR AS SALES TAX. AND THAT'S -- MIKE, I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT THAT. ABOUT $185,000 A MONTH. SO, THERE'S 370. THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE COMMITTED TO BY AN INNER-LOCAL. YOU WANT TO GO -- I THINK IT'S EITHER A SLIDE BEFORE THAT OR MAYBE TWO. MY PROPOSAL, THESE ARE THEIR NUMBERS. THEY PUT 1 [03:20:11] POINT ALMOST 6 MILLION FOR E RATE PER YEAR FOR DARK FIBER ROLL OUT. IF EVERYBODY IS INTERESTED IN DARK FIBER, THEN I SAY WE TAKE, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER THE PROCEEDS OF THE SALES TAX FOR NEXT YEAR AND WE GIVE THEM THE 1.6 IF THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR FOR THE DARK FIBER IF THAT HELPS THEM OUT. THEY GET THE $370,000 FOR THE END OF THE YEAR. THEN WE FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET THEM THE 1.6 IN A GRANT FOR THE DARK FIBER ROLL OUT. THAT PUTS US IN THE BALLPARK AS FAR AS THE DARK FIBER. TROY HAS TOLD US, OUR I.T. GUY, THAT WE'LL SEE BENEFITS INDIRECTLY BECAUSE THERE WILL BE FIBER ROLLING THROUGH THE COUNTY AND OTHER BUSINESSES WILL BE ABLE TO COME IN, YOU KNOW, AND BE COMPETITIVE NATURE TO COMCAST AND AT&T BECAUSE THERE WILL BE OTHER FIBER THEY CAN TAKE AND TURN AROUND AND REMARKET. SO THAT WOULD BE MY THOUGHT. AND DO THAT AS A GRANTED RATHER THAN A LONG-TERM ARRANGEMENT. THEN AT THE END OF NEXT YEAR, IN THE SAME TIMEFRAME, IF THAT'S SOMETHING WE THINK THAT WE'D LIKE TO RENEW, WE CAN DO THAT. COMMISSIONER BOLLA: WHAT DOES THE 1.6 REPRESENT JEREMY? SPEAKER: THE YEARLY COST FOR THE INITIAL ROLLOUT. COMMISSIONER BOLLA: AND THE TOTAL ROLL OUT IS WHAT KIND OF NUMBER? SPEAKER: THE TOTAL ROLLOUT IS BETWEEN 36 AND $40 MILLION DEPENDING UPON FINDING ROCK OR SEDIMENT. BUT THE 1.6 IS THE INITIAL ENGAGEMENT WE WILL BE MAKING INTO THE DARK FIBER. COMMISSIONER ROLLINS IS NOT INCORRECT. THIS CANNOT BE TIED ONLY TO DARK FIBER. THAT IS WHY IT HAS TO BE IN A GRANT WHERE DARK FIBER IS PART OF THIS BUT IT CANNOT BE DIRECTLY TIED TO IT ONLY. CHAIRMAN CELLA: I THINK I JUST SAID THAT. COMMISSIONER BOLLA: WE GET THAT. COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: YEAH. ALSO, AS WE TALK ABOUT CONSOLIDATING DISPATCH AND BECOMING MORE CONSOLIDATED IN TERMS OF SECURITY, THAT OTHER COMMENT ON CAMERA IS AN ACCESS TO CONTROLS, THAT'S EVEN BEYOND THE ECONOMIC BENEFIT; ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO IMPROVE SECURITY ON SCHOOL CAMPUSES OR ANYWHERE ELSE IN THE COUNTY IS WORTHY OF CONSIDERATION. COMMISSIONER BOLLA: SO THE PROPOSAL'S 1.6. BUT IF WE GIVE THEM THE 10% FOR THE TIME PERIOD, WHAT DOES THAT TURN OUT TO BE? COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: I THINK WE GIVE THEM THEIR ASK. IT DOESN'T MATTER -- CHAIRMAN CELLA: IT'S CHANGED BECAUSE OF THE INNERLOCAL. COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: WE'VE CHANGED IT. YEAH. CHAIRMAN CELLA: AND THAT'S THEIR NUMBER. I DIDN'T MAKE THAT NUMBER UP [LAUGHTER] IT'S IN RED. I CAME PREPARED. SPEAKER: 1.5839 WOULD BE THE GRANT. THEN WHATEVER ELSE IS EXTRA WOULD COME -- CHAIRMAN CELLA: AND I HAVE A PLAN FOR THAT. SPEAKER: DO YOU MIND GOING ONE PREVIOUS SLIDE BEFORE THAT. SORRY, I DIDN'T INTEND TO SPEAK AT ALL. I TOLD YOU LAST TIME I AM NOT A VERY GOOD PUBLIC SPEAKER NOR IS THIS MY VENUE. SO THE PROPOSAL IS NOT JUST THAT SLIDE. BUT AS YOU WILL SEE WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR ALL OF THIS. THAT IS UNREASONABLE IN EVERY WAY. AND COMMISSIONER ROLLINS IS CORRECT, WE MUST BUDGET CORRECTLY WITHIN OUR SCHOOL BOARD TO DO THIS. THIS INNER-LOCAL AGREEMENT GOES BACK TO 1998, I BELIEVE. JUST FOR THE RECORD, I WASN'T EVEN OUT OF HIGH SCHOOL WHEN THIS COUNTY WAS WORKING TOGETHER BUT NOW WE'RE TRYING TO FIND A WAY TO CONTINUE THAT. THIS WAS THE ASK THAT WE PUT IN. WHICH WAS JUST UNDER THE 10% BECAUSE THE 10% WOULD FLEX OBVIOUSLY UPON COLLECTION -- IT COULD FLEX BETWEEN 1.7 AND 2.4. THAT WAS THE ASK FOR THE DIFFERENT PROJECTS TO CONTINUE. COMMISSIONER BOLLA: SO WE'RE NOT FAR OFF. 1.6 IS I THINK A GOOD NUMBER. COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: THERE'S LIKE $400,000 WORTH OF ROAD IS CAN THINK OF. CHAIRMAN CELLA: FUNNY YOU SHOULD MENTION THAT. THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS I WAS GOING TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION ON. WE CONTINUE TO SPEND IT MAYBE NOT ON THE SCHOOLS THEMSELVES BUT TOWARDS SCHOOLS. WE HAVE -- AND I DON'T KNOW ABOUT YOU AS COMMISSIONERS, BUT ME AS A COMMISSIONER HAVE GOTTEN NUMEROUS CITIZENS AND TAXPAYERS CALLING IN REGARDS TO WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH OUR SCHOOLS. WHETHER IT'S ON MOODY WITH LAKESIDE, ON PINE AVENUE WITH PATTERSON, THUNDER BOLT, AND YOU CAN PROBABLY GO THROUGH HALF A DOZEN SCHOOLS. THOSE SCHOOLS IN AREAS WHERE IT IS [03:25:03] HECK TO GET THROUGH. LAKE ASBURY JUNIOR AND SENIOR, WHEN SCHOOL IS OUT IN TERMS OF TRYING TO GET KIDS IN AND OUT AND ADULTS GETTING IN AND OUT, MY RECOMMENDATION IS WE TAKE THE DIFFERENCE AND SPEND OUT THE SCHOOLS BUT IN A WAY SO WE CAN GET PEOPLE IN AND OUT OF THE SCHOOLS AND BULK UP OUR WALKWAYS AND CROSO KEEP KIDS SAFE ON THE AND OUT. BECAUSE WITH THAT TRAFFIC THAT BUILDS UP ON THOSE ROADS, YOU KNOW, IT IS A DANGEROUS SITUATION. COMMISSIONER BOLLA: THE OTHER OPTION IS TO TAKE THE BUS. PART OF THE PROBLEM IS YOU CAN'T BUILD ROADS BIG ENOUGH FOR PARENT -- CHAIRMAN CELLA: BUT THERE ARE THINGS WE CAN DO. COMMISSIONER BOLLA: YOU CAN'T BUILD ROADS BIG ENOUGH TO DRIVE ALL THOSE PARENTS ON. THE PROBLEM IS THEY WERE BUILT TO HAVE BUS SERVICE TO TAKE THE KIDS IN, DROP THEM OFF, AND THAT WORKS REALLY WELL. BUT WHEN EVERYBODY TRIES TO DRIVE THEIR KIDS TO SCHOOL AND ESPECIALLY THE HIGH SCHOOLS WHERE ALL THE KIDS ARE DRIVING, THAT'S WHERE YOU RUN INTO PROBLEMS. I'VE HAD EXPERIENCE WITH THIS BEFORE SO. CHAIRMAN CELLA: THAT'S A SUGGESTION BUT I THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, BOTTOM LINE IS WE'RE STILL SPENDING IT ON SCHOOLS. COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: I AGREE THAT INFRASTRUCTURE IS IMPORTANT AND NECESSARY FOR SCHOOLS. I WAS ONCE COMPARED IN AN EMAIL BY A CERTAIN UNION SAYING THAT I DIDN'T CARE ABOUT KIDS I ONLY CARED ABOUT ROADS BECAUSE I THOUGHT THEY WERE IMPORTANT. IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO GET THOSE KIDS TO SCHOOL WITHOUT ROADS. SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO BALANCE THAT SO. COMMISSIONER BOLLA: I'LL MAKE A MOTION WE DO THE GRANT TO THAT DATE, DECEMBER 31ST, FOR 1.6. CHAIRMAN CELLA: THERE'S NO REASON WE CAN'T REVISIT THAT AGAIN AT THIS TIME NEXT YEAR TO MAKE THE DETERMINATION AS TO WHETHER WE WANT TO MOVE FORWARD BASED ON WHAT HAPPENS IN THE NOVEMBER ELECTION. COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: SECOND. CHAIRMAN CELLA: ANY OTHER DISCUSSIONS? COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: I WILL SUPPORT THAT BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR THEM TO START BUDGETING NOW AND NOT CONTINUE TO RELY ON IT. I'M SAYING EVEN IF THE HALF CENT DOESN'T PASS. COMMISSIONER BOLLA: IF IT DOESN'T PASS THAT'S IT. BECAUSE THAT TELLS ME THE PEOPLE OF CLAY COUNTY DON'T WANT TO SEE ANYMORE MONEY GOING OVER THERE. COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: THEN I CAN -- OKAY. I CAN SUPPORT THAT. THAT MAKES SENSE. CHAIRMAN CELLA: WE HAVE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY AYE. OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES 5-0. COURTNEY, I'M NOT SURE WHAT KIND OF PAPERWORK YOU ARE GOING TO NEED TO GENERATE BUT YOU SHOULD GET TOGETHER WITH THEM AND FIGURE THAT OUT. NUMBER 11. WE DO HAVE A NUMBER OF CARDS. DISCUSSION CONCERNING [11.  Discussion concerning Solite Property in Lake Asbury Master Plan] THE SOLITE PROPERTY IN LAKE ASBURY MASTER PLAN. THIS CAME ABOUT BECAUSE THE PLANNING COMMISSIONER: REQUESTED THAT STAFF PRESENT RECOMMENDATIONS CONCERNING THE SOLITE PROPERTY. THE PLANNING COMMISSIONER: RECOMMENDS THAT THE LAKE ASBURY MASTER PLAN AND LAND DEVELOPMENT RECOMMENDATIONS AMENDED AS SHOWN IN THE STAFF MEMO. HERE HE IS. HE IS STILL WITH US. HANG ON DARK FIBER IS COMING [LAUGHTER] SPEAKER: GET SOME DARK FIBER TO THIS BUILDING. COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: YOU WANT IT LIT UP WHEN YOU ARE WAITING ON IT. SPEAKER: I DON'T KNOW WHY IT'S ASK MOOG EH TO RECORD THIS POWER POINT. TROY! CHAIRMAN CELLA: HERE HE COMES TO THE RESCUE. [03:30:04] THERE'S OUR PROPERTY. WE ALL REMEMBER FROM LAST YEAR. JUNE 5, 2018, PLANNING COMMISSION. THE COMMISSION VOTED 8-0 TO -- THE REASON GIVEN FOR DENIAL WAS THE SITE WAS TO BE CLEANED UP BEFORE ANY DEVELOPMENT WAS ALLOWED. IN ADDITION, THERE WERE CONCERNS WITH THE RAILROAD CROSSING. AT THE 2018 MEETING THE BOARD VOTED 5-0 TO DENY THE AMENDMENTS AND DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. THESE ARE THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION. STAFF RECOMMENDED TAKING OUT SECTION 3 OF THE LDR BUT THE PLANNING COMMISSIONER: RECOMMENDS TO RETAIN THAT. STAFF RECOMMENDS AND THE COMMISSION AGREES TO DELETE ASBURY FLUM POLICY BECAUSE IT IS REPETITIVE. THE PLANNING COMMISSIONER: RECOMMENDS TO AMEND LAKE ASBURY FLU POLICY 1.4.14 AS FOLLOWS. AS YOU CAN SEE, THE THIRD LINE DOWN, THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS AND THIS IS PROPOSED LANGUAGE. I TALKED TO THE ATTORNEYS YESTERDAY AND THEY ARE GOING TO KIND OF -- THEY DON'T LIKE THE WAY IT'S WORDED SO THIS IS BASICALLY WE'RE JUST TRYING TO GET DIRECTION. THE BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS WILL AMEND THE PLAN TO GRANT A DENSITY BONUS NOT TO EXCEED THREE UNITS PER ACRE ONCE THE ENTIRE SITE IS REMEDIATED TO RESIDENTIAL STANDARDS. NO AMENDMENT SHALL BE APPROVED UNTIL THE COUNTY RECEIVES OFFICIAL NOTIFICATION FROM THE DEP THE SITE HAS BEEN REMEDIATED TO ALLOW FOR RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT. THAT ADDRESSES THE CONCERNS OF THE BOARD AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION THAT THE DEVELOPER OR THE DEVELOPER WHO IS BUYING SOLITE WANTED TO DEVELOP PARCEL A BEFORE PARCEL B WAS REM REMEDIATED. THIS REREQUIRES THE ENTIRE SITE TO BE REMEDIATED. CHAIRMAN CELLA: TO RESIDENTIAL LEVELS RIGHT? SPEAKER:S THAT WHAT IT SAYS TO ALLOW FOR RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT. THAT'S IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER BECAUSE COMMERCIAL REMEDIATION IS A LOT LESS STRINGENT THAN RESIDENTIAL. COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: AND CURRENTLY THEY'RE AT INDUSTRIAL LEVEL RIGHT? SPEAKER: CURRENTLY THEY HAVE NOT REMEDIATED TO -- FOR A PARCEL B THEY HAVE NOT REMEDIATED TO RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, THAT'S CORRECT. PARCEL A THEY CLAIM THEY HAVE. AND THE DEP HAS INDICATED THEY HAVE AS WELL. COMMISSIONER BOLLA: EFFECTIVELY THIS PRETTY MUCH TAKES THIS PIECE OFF THE MARKET FOREVER. IS SOLITE STILL PAYING TAXES ON TIS? SPEAKER: SIR, I'M SURE THEY ARE. STONE RIDGE FARM IS STILL THE HOLDER. THE CONCERN WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION WAS THEY THOUGHT THAT ONCE THE ENTIRE SITE IS REMEDIATED THEY SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO HAVE THREE UNITS AN ACRE. THAT WOULD GIVE INCENTIVE FOR SOMEONE TO COME IN AND REMEDIATE THE ENTIRE SITE. NO 1 IS GOING TO DO THAT UNLESS YOU GET A DENSITY BONUS THAT IS ALLOWED IN THE COMP PLAN. AS YOU KNOW THE COMP PLAN SAYS YOU MAY CONSIDER IT ONCE THE SITE IS REMEDIATED. AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION THOUGHT THERE SHOULD BE MORE INCENTIVE TO GET THIS REMEDIATED. THEY WANTED TO GET IT CLEANED UP AS SOON AS SOMEONE COULD DO IT. COMMISSIONER BOLLA: WE'RE MAKING A SPECIAL CATEGORY FOR SOLITE ESSENTIALLY. WAN KEY DO ANYTHING WITH THE TAX STRUCTURE TO FIX THAT TOO? SPEAKER: THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING -- COMMISSIONER BOLLA: IT'S GOING TO COST THEM SO MUCH MONEY PER ACRE. SPEAKER: WE'D HAVE TO EXPLORE THAT WITH THE TAX ASSESSOR AND I'D HAVE TO GET WITH COURTNEY ON THAT ONE. COMMISSIONER BOLLA: TO BE IN THE SPECIAL ZONING CATEGORY WHICH WE'RE A MAKING. SPEAKER: I DON'T THINK YOU ARE MAKING A SPECIAL CATEGORY. IT HAS ITS OWN CATEGORY. SPEAKER: LAKE ASBURY SOLITE. COMMISSIONER BOLLA: COULD WE MAKE LAKE ASBURY SOLITE A VERY EXPENSIVE TAX? SPEAKER: I THINK THE TAX ASSESSOR DOESN'T BASE THEIR ASSESSMENT ON LAND USE OR SDWOENING CATEGORIES. THEY BASE OUT WHAT THE USE IS OUT THERE. THEY BASE IT ON [INAUDIBLE]. COMMISSIONER BOLLA: IF IT GLOWS IN THE DARK IT'S TWICE AS MUCH [LAUGHTER] I DON'T KNOW. JUST GRASPING AT STRAWS HERE BUT WE GOT TO MAKE IT UNCOMFORTABLE FOR SOLITE OR THIS THING IS GOING TO SIT THERE FOREVER. SPEAKER: WE TALKED TO BRIAN BAKER AND HE SAID EVENTUALLY DEP WILL GET AROUND TO ENFORCING SOME REGULATION BUT THAT MIGHT BE NEVER. THERE'S A LOT OF LAND IN FLORIDA THEY HAVE TO LOOK AT. IT'S OVERWHELMING THE AMOUNT OF SITES THEY'RE LOOKING AT. HE DIDN'T SEEM CONFIDENT THEY WOULD GET AROUND TO THAT. COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: FROM WHAT I'VE HEARD FROM THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE OUT THERE, IF IT NEVER HAS ANYTHING DEVELOPED, THEY'RE HAPPY. IF IT SITS THERE FOREVER AND JUST NOTHING HAPPENS. THEY'RE WORRIED ABOUT IT BEING STIRRED UP. CHAIRMAN CELLA: I THINK IT GOES BACK TO WHAT COMMISSIONER HENDRY [03:35:04] TALKED ABOUT IN ARM SOF PROPERTY RIGHTS. WHETHER IT'S SOMETHING WE CAN DO OR NOT DO. WE DON'T HAVE A PUBLIC COMMENT HERE BUT WE DO HAVE MR. TANNER. HE IS ATTORNEY TANNER REPRESENT THE SOLITE COMPANY. YOU WANT CO COME UP AND GIVE US YOUR THOUGHTS HERE AND THE COMPANY'S THOUGHTS. SPEAKER: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I APPRECIATE YOU COMMISSIONERS CARVING OUT TIME FOR ME TO MAKE REMARKS. YOU SAW THE PROPOSED CHANGE. WE HAD SOME QUESTION AND CONCERNS, BUT BEFORE WE TALK ABOUT THAT I WANTED TO PROVIDE BACKGROUND INFORMATION ON CONTEXT AND WHY I AM HERE TODAY. LAST YEAR WE ALL KNOW WHAT HAPPENED. THE COMMISSIONERS SAID YOU WERE NOT GOING TO PERMIT DEVELOPMENT UNTIL THE PROPERTY IS REMEDIATED. SO THE CLIENT TOOK THAT TO HEART AND THEY ARE PREPARING A REMEDIATION PLAN IN CONCERT WITH THE FDEP. AND THE GOAL IS TO COMPLETE THAT BY THE END OF THE YEAR BUT THERE'S BEEN CHANGE AT FDP SO IT WILL LIKELY BE SPRING OF 2020. AND THE GOAL IS TO FINALIZE REMEDIATION PLAN THEN MOVE FORWARD THROUGH REMEDIATION AND HAVE IT COMPLETEDED BY END OF 2021. THAT IS THE -- THE COMPANY IS DOING THAT NOW. THE PRIOR PLAN AS YOU KNOW WAS TO SELL OFF THE PRISTINE PORTIONS OF THE PROPERTY, USE THOSE FUNDS TO CLEAN THE REMAINDER. BUT THAT OPTION IS NOT GOING MOVE FORWARD TOM SO THEY'RE ALLOCATING FUNDS ON THEIR OWN. THAT IS IN PROCESS. AND THE COMPANY'S COMMITTED TO DOING THAT ON A GOING FORWARD BASIS. ONE OF THE CONCERNS ABOUT THE LANGUAGE PROPOSED TODAY IS A COUPLE IMPANELS ON THEIR PLANS. IT'S SORT OF LUMPS THE PRISTINE PART OF THE PROPERTY AND LABELS IT AS DIRTY AND NEEDS REMEDIATION. THE SECOND ASPECT OF IT IS CLEAN THE ENTIRE SITE TO RESIDENTIAL STANDARDS. WE'RE STILL GOING THROUGH THE SCOPE OF WORK OR STONERIDGE IS AND IT'S UNCLEAR WHETHER THAT IS COMPLETELY FEASIBLE AND IT MAY RENDER IT, YOU KNOW, SO EXPENSIVE IT'S UNABLE TO BE DONE. THAT'S TO BE WORKED ON WITH THE FDEP AND GLADLY CONSULT WITH THE COMMISSIONERS ON AS WELL. BUT THAT LANGUAGE UNFORTUNATELY COMMITS SOMETHING YOU MAY NOT BE ABLE TO REMEDIATE CERTAIN ASPECTS TO A RESIDENTIAL STANDARD. SOMETIMES THAT IS NOT PHYSICALLY POSSIBLE. THE FDP PERMITS THAT TO BE A COMMERCIAL STANDARD. THERE'S DIFFERENT LEVELS OF CONTINUATION AND CONSTITUENTS PERMITTED WITH THOSE TWO STANDARDS. AS PART OF THAT PROCESS, WHEN YOU REMEDIATE IT AND IT'S SIGNED OFF BY THE FDP AND EPA, BEFORE THE PROPERTY CAN BE USED FOR, THEY ENCUMBER AN INSTITUTIONAL CONTROL OR RESTRICTED COVENANT WHICH SAYS YOU CANNOT USE IT FOR RESIDENTIAL USE, SCHOOLS AND DAYCARE AND SIMILAR USES. WE HAVE A CONCERN THERE MAY BE A PHYSICAL COMPONENT ON THAT. SOMETIMES THEY CAP THE PROPERTY. ASPHALT PARKING LOT WHICH CONTAINS IF THERE'S SOIL CONCERNS. AND THERE'S REQUIREMENTS ABOUT IF YOU WERE TO CONSTRUCT ON THE PROPERTY AND DIG INTO THE GROUND. SO, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A SAFETY PLAN AND DISPOSE OF THOSE MATERIALS. THAT'S WHAT COMMERCIAL STANDARD MEANS. ON THE WHOLE SITE THERE'S A 600 ACRE SITE THAT IS CLEAN. AND THEN THERE'S A 275,000 ACRE PARCEL THAT HAS 50 ACRES THAT NEED REMEDIAL WORK. THEY FULLY DON'T KNOW THE EXTENT OF THE REMEDIATION NEEDED. THAT'S UNDER GOING WITH THE FDEP. WE ARE AFRAID THIS LANGUAGE IF ADOPTED MAY ULTIMATELY PREVENT THE SITE FROM BEAT MEETING THAT STANDARD BECAUSE SOME OF THE PARCELS OUT THERE MAY NOT DO THAT. SO THE HOPE IS THAT WE CAN -- THIS CAN BE TABLED FOR A PERIOD OF TIME WHILE WE DEVELOP THE FINAL PLAN WITH THE FDEP AND WE'LL WELCOME COMMISSIONER INPUT ON THAT PLAN. THEN WHETHER OR NOT AMENDMENT AT THAT POINT MAKES SENSE CERTAINLY HAVE TO REVISIT IT. JUST WANTED TO RELAY THE COMPANY'S CONCERNS AND LET YOU KNOW THEY ARE IN THE PROCESS OF COMING UP WITH A SCOPE OF WORK FOR FINAL REMEDIAL PLAN FOR THE PROPERTY. CHAIRMAN CELLA: ANYBODY HAVE QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: I'M GLAD THE COMPANY IS DECIDING THEY'RE GOING TO CLEAN UP THE THING THEY ACTUALLY POLLUTED. SO THAT'S REASSURING. BUT WHAT ARE YOU SUGGESTING IF WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS WHAT WOULD THEY DO WITH IT? WILL THEY JUST ABANDON THE PROPERTY? WILL THEY NOT CLEAN IT UP AT ALL AND JUST LET IT SIT THERE 20 YEARS. THERE'S AFINANCIAL INCENTIVE FOR THEM TO DO SOMETHING WITH IT RIGHT. YOU ARE SAYING IF IT BECOMES TOO EXPENSIVE TO CLEAN UP WHAT ARE THEY GOING TO DO. THEY STILL OWN THE LAND AND DO SOMETHING WITH IT. I DON'T BUY THE ARGUMENT IF WE MAKE IT MORE DIFFICULT ON STONERIDGE SLASH SOLITE SOMEHOW YOU GUYS AREN'T GOING TO CLEAN IT UP. I'M LEAD READING BETWEEN THE LEGALES OF WHAT YOU ARE SAYING. WHICH MAKES ME THINK THERE IS A GREAT PROPOSAL. [03:40:03] SPEAKER: THE CONSTITUTE OF COMMERCIAL STANDARD, I MEAN, ONE OF THE CONCERNS ABOUT THIS LANGUAGE IS IT IMPOSES A STANDARD HIGHER THAT'S WHAT'S REQUIRED BY FEDERAL AND STATE LAW. IT'S MORE THAN WHAT THE FDEP MAY REQUIRE OF THE SITE. SO THE COUNTY IS IMPOSING ITS OWN ENVIRONMENTAL REGULATION ON A SINGLE SITE. AGAIN, IT'S A HIGHER STANDARD REQUIRED BY FEDERAL AND STATE LAW. THERE'S ALSO THE PRACTICAL COMPONENT. YOU MAY NOT -- SOME OF THE ACRES MAY NOT BE ABLE TO REMEDIATE DUE TO RESIDENTIAL STANDARDS. I'M SPECULATING I DON'T HAVE ALL THE DATA BUT YOU ARE FORESTALLED FROM EVER COMPLYING IF THAT'S THE CASE. PUTTING TOGETHER A REMEDIAL PLAN AND THAT WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR COMMENT. OBVIOUSLY, FOLKS'S CONCERNS WILL BE ADDRESSED DURING THAT PROCESS. IT'S ALSO ONE OF THE REASONS THE FDP DOES NOT MANDATE THAT ON EVERY SITE IS BECAUSE OF COST CONCERNS. FREQUENTLY TO REMEDIATE DOWN TO RESIDENTIAL STAND RAZRD AS THE COST FAR EXCEEDS THE PROPERTY. THAT'S WHY THEY HAVE MORE OF A FLEXIBLE APPROACH. THAT AND THE FACT IF YOU RESTRICT IT AND NEVER USE IT FOR RESIDENTIAL USE THE IMPANELS ON HUMAN HEALTH YOU DON'T HAVE THAT CONCERN GOING FORWARD. YOU ARE NOT GOING TO HAVE KIDS PLAYING THERE OR A SCHOOL ON THE PROPERTY. I MEAN, THIS LANGUAGE POTENTIALLY PUTS YOU IN A BOX YOU CAN'T GET OUT OF. EVEN THOUGH YOU MAY WANT TO. COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: BUT THE COMPANY WAS ORIGINALLY WILLING TO SELL IT TO A RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPER AND THEY WEREN'T CONCERNED AT THAT POINT IT COULDN'T BE MITIGATED TO RESIDENTIAL STANDARD? SPEAKER: PART OF THE PROPERTY MAY NOT BE ABLE TO BE MITIGATED TO RESIDENTIAL STANDARD. UNDER THE CURRENT LANGUAGE OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS FOR LAKE ASBURY, THAT CONTEMPLATED SELLING IT IN PHASES. YOU CAN DO IT IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CONSENT ORDER. WHICH SAID YOU MAY SELL THE PRISTINE PART AND ESCROW THOSE FUNDS AND REMEDIATE IT TO WHATEVER THE STANDARD IS THAT'S ULTIMATELY APPROVED BY THE DEP. THIS DOES CHANGE THAT, THERE'S THE EXISTING REGULATIONS OUT THERE IN WHICH THE CLIENTS -- STONERIDGE IS OPERATING AND HAS SORT OF EXPECTATIONS TO MOVE FORWARD UNDER. THIS DOES CHANGE THAT. WE'RE WORRIED ABOUT THE PRACTICAL IMPACT. I THINK WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE. I THINK STONERIDGE, THEY WANT TO CLEAN UP THE SITE. THAT'S BEEN THE COMMUNITY'S CONCERN, THE COMM COMMISSION'S CONCERN. THEY WERE IN A SPOT WHERE THEY CAN ALOE OWE KATE FUNDS AND GET IN DONE. BUT THEY ARE WORRIED THEY MAY NOT BE ABLE TO COMPLY WITH THAT. SO, THEY'D LIKE TO WORK WITH THE COMMISSION AND MOVE FORWARD. CHAIRMAN CELLA: WHAT'S THE TIMING ON THE PLAN ITSELF. SPEAKER: THEY WERE HOPING TO HAVE IT DONE BY FALL OF THIS YEAR. I KNOW THE CHANGE IN LEADERSHIP AT FDP HAS PUT THAT PROCESS BACK BECAUSE THE CHIEF IN CHARGE OF THIS SITE RETIRED. SO, THEY'RE GOING BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD WITH THE NEW FOLKS. I HAVEN'T BEEN PRIVY TO THOSE CONVERSATIONS BUT THAT HAS RESTARTED THE PROCESS. SO, THROUGHOUT SPRING OF 2020 IS PROBABLY THE TARGET DATE. IT COULD BE EARLIER THAN THAT. I KNOW THERE'S BEEN TESTING DONE. THEY HAVE SOME OF THE RAW DATA THEY NEED TO COME UP WITH THE FINAL PLAN THAT CAN BE APPROVED BY THE DEP. AND THEN THE GOAL, THE CURRENT GOAL IS TO HAVE THE SITE REMEDIATED BY DECEMBER 2021. SPEAKER: I BELIEVE YOU WILL RECALL BRIAN BAKER WAS THE DEP REPRESENTATIVE HERE IN CONNECTION WITH THIS MATTER BEFORE. HE WORKED VERY HARD ON IT AND KEPT COMMISSIONER HUTCHINGS AND I INVOLVED IN THE PROCESS. HE RETIRED THIS SPRING. SO, HE DID HAVE THE REMEDIATION PLAN IN FRONT OF HIM AND HE NOTIFIED ME HE DID HAVE CERTAIN REVISIONS THAT HE WANTED TO ACCOMPLISH. HOWEVER, I THINK HIS RETIREMENT TRANSPIRED PRIOR TO HIM COMPLETING THAT. IT HAS BEEN PASSED OFF TO I BELIEVE HIS NAME IS ROBERT COOK. AND I HAVE REACHED OUT TO HIM A COUPLE OF TIMES BUT HIS RESPONSE HAS BEEN THAT HE JUST HASN'T GOTTEN TO REVIEWING THE PLAN. SO, UNTIL, MY UNDERSTANDING AT LEAST IS UNTIL HE GETS INVOLVED AND IS ABLE TO REVIEW IT SOLITE ISN'T ABLE TO EVEN MOVE FORWARD WITH THEIR PLAN THEY'RE PRESENTING TO THE DEP. CHAIRMAN CELLA: COULD WE DRAFT A LETTER AND SEND THAT TO MR. COOK AND ASK HIM TO TRY TO MOVE THAT UP THE FOOD CHAIN IN TERMS OF TIMING SINCE IT'S BEEN IN FOR A WHILE AND IT WAS JUST THE RETIREMENT OF ONE GENTLEMAN THAT CAUSED IT TO BE RE-LOOKED AT AGAIN. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT EVERYBODY WOULD BE WILLING TO DO? COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: YEAH. COMMISSIONER BOLLA: I'D BE FAVOR IN PASSING THIS THING THE WAY IT IS. WE'VE WAITED HOW LONG? TEN YEARS. 15, 20 YEARS. LET'S PASS IT. YOU COME BACK TO US WITH A PLAN THAT LOOKS [03:45:04] REASONABLE THAT CAN'T FIT IN HERE AND WE'LL LOOK AT IT AGAIN. BUT FOR NOW TOO BAD. THAT'S THE WAY I FEEL ABOUT IT. CHAIRMAN CELLA: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME FOR MR. TANNER? COMMISSIONER HENDRY: THAT WAS THE REASONING BEHIND THE STAFF OR PLANNING COMMISSION CHANGING THIS LANGUAGE? WHAT DROVE THAT? SPEAKER: THE PLANNING COMMISSIONER: JUST CAME TO STAFF AT A MEETING REQUESTED STAFF TO PREPARE LANGUAGE TO ADDRESS THE CONCERN WITH THEM WAS THAT THEY WANTED THE ENTIRE SITE REMEDIATED PRIOR TO ANY DEVELOPMENT. THEY KNEW THE POLICIES THROUGHOUT THERE WHICH SAID WE WILL CONSIDER AND STUFF LIKE THAT. SO THEY WANTED STRONGER LANGUAGE. BECAUSE THE LANGUAGE WAS NEVER CHANGED. OBVIOUSLY THE LANGUAGE WAS IN THE PLAN IS STILL IN THE PLAN. BUT THEY WANTED LANGUAGE THAT SAID NO DEVELOPMENT UNTIL THE ENTIRE SITE IS REMEDIATED. AND THAT'S NOT WHAT IT SAYS RIGHT NOW. BUT IT CAME FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSIONER:. COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: IT WAS DRIVEN BY THE FACT THAT IN CONNECTION WITH THE DEP ORDER THAT ALLOWED IT TO BE DONE IN PHASES THAT THEY DID NOT HAVE WHAT SECURITY OR FAITH IN THE FACT THAT THE AMOUNT THE DEP WAS REQUIRING TO BE SET ASIDE, THE $2 MILLION, WAS SUFFICIENT FOR THE CLEAN UP. SO THEY WANTED TO TO PROVIDE FOR THE ENTIRE SITE - TO BE CLEANED UP AS OPPOSED TO A BOND OR SOMETHING SET ASIDE THAT WASN'T SUFFICIENT TO CLEAN IT UP. CHAIRMAN CELLA: OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MORE TANNER. I'M GOING TO RUN THIS A LITTLE BIT LIKE A PUBLIC HEARING. MR. TANNER, IF YOU WOULD STANDBY I'LL LET YOU REBUT AFTER WE GET THROUGH WITH THOSE. MS. HOLLAND, ARE YOU STILL HERE? THREE MINUTES, MS. HOLLAND. PUBLIC SPEAKER: I JUST WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU FOR DOING THAT FOR THE VETERANS. BECAUSE THEY ARE A NATIONAL TREASURE. SO WE DO NEED TO TAKE CARE OF THEM. I APPRECIATE YOU GOING TO THAT. THE SOLITE, I'M WORRIED IF IT DOESN'T ALL GET CLEANED UP AT ONCE THEN IT IS GOING TO -- IT COULD POSSIBLY BE BUILT ON WHERE IT'S STILL NOT SAFE. THERE'S SUPPOSEDLY GOING TO BE A VILLAGE CENTER ON IT. I MEAN, IS THERE GOING TO BE A PLAYGROUND OUT THERE FOR KIDS AND THINGS LIKE THAT? OR DO YOU ALL KNOW? COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: THIS IS TWO DIFFERENT PORTIONS OF THE SOLITE. SO, THERE'S A VERY SMALL PIECE THAT WAS RELATED TO THE OTHER AND THERE'S NO CONTAMINANTS ON THAT ONE. THIS IS ABOUT 300 OR 600 ACRES WHAT IS IT? COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: I THINK 250. COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: IT'S SEPARATE FROM THE PREVIOUS DISCUSSION. PUBLIC SPEAKER: WELL, IF THEY DO DEVELOP IT, WILL THE DEVELOPERS HAVE TO LET THE PEOPLE KNOW THAT THAT BY THAT PROPERTY IS HOUSING OR WHATEVER IT IS DEEMED FOR THAT IT WAS ONCE A SITE THAT HAD TOXIC CHEMICALS THAT COULD AFFECT THEIR LIFE LATER DOWN THE ROAD? I MEAN, I'M JUST WORRIED ABOUT THINGS LIKE THAT. COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: WE ARE TOO. THAT'S WHY WE WANT IT CLEANED UP. PUBLIC SPEAKER: I LIKE THE LANGUAGE BEING AS HARD AS IT CAN BE ON THEM. THANK YOU. CHAIRMAN CELLA: THANK YOU, MA'AM. MR. MARK WANTAGE. ARE YOU STILL HERE? PUBLIC SPEAKER: ACTUALLY ON THIS ISSUE I THINK THAT THE COUNCIL LOOKING AT THIS, THE COMMISSION LOOKING AT THIS IN TERMS OF ENCOURAGING THE COMPANY TO CLEAN UP THE PROJECT BY PUTTING SOME TYPE OF LEVERAGE ON THE BACK END MIGHT BE A WAY TO COMPROMISE. THE OTHER QUESTION I HAVE ON THIS IS THAT VERY OFTEN TOXIC WASTE SITES OR PLACES WHERE THE CHEMICALS ARE NOT VERY COMMERCIALLY VIABLE LAND USUALLY BECOMES THE LOCATION FOR SCHOOLS. AND THIS IS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRIES. YOU MENTIONED SCHOOLS OFF-HAND. HAS THERE BEEN ANY DISCUSSION, COMMENTS OR EVEN PASSING THOUGHTS OF CREATING -- PUTTING A SCHOOL IN THIS LOCATION? COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: NEVER. PUBLIC SPEAKER: SO THAT'S SOMETHING TO BE A CONCERN FOR. I THINK, IN THIS CASE, IT WOULD BE A GOOD CASE FOR THE COUNCIL TO BE SOMEWHAT FLEXIBLE BUT MAKING SURE THERE'S A LOT OF PAIN ON THE BACK END THAT CAN BE ENFORCED NOT USEFULLY VAGUE IF THE SITE HAS NOT BEEN COMPLETELY [03:50:05] RENOVATED TO THE RESIDENTIAL STANDARDS IN A REASONABLE, SPECIFIC AMOUNT OF TIME. CHAIRMAN CELLA: THANK YOU, SIR. MR. WALLACE, ARE YOU STILL HERE? I DON'T THINK HE'S HERE. I THINK HE LEFT. THOSE ARE THE ONLY CARDS THAT WE HAD. MR. TANNER DID YOU JUST WANT TO RESPOND TO ANYTHING THE BOARD SAID. SPEAKER: I UNDERSTAND PEOPLE'S CONCERNS ABOUT THE PROJECT. I JUST STRESS THAT THE GOAL IS TO CLEAN UP THE WHOLE SITE. AND THAT'S THE PLAN AND THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE ALLOCATING FUNDS FOR AND THEY REALIZE THE COMMISSIONERS ARE NOT GOING TO LET THEM SELL ANY PORTION OF THE PROPERTY THAT DOESN'T REQUIRE CLEAN-UP TO FUND THAT. SO THAT TAKES THE CONCERN, THAT'S WHAT'S COMPLOT BY THE DEP ORDER BUT TAKES THE CONCERN THERE WON'T BE SUFFICIENT FUNDS ON OF THE TABLE. IT'S GOING TO CLEAN UP THE WHOLE PROCESS. I DID MENTION THE SCHOOLS AND RESTRICTED COVENANT. I DON'T THINK I'M MISSPEAKING. TYPICALLY THE DEP IN THOSE COVENANTS IN TERMS OF GIVING FOLKS NOTICE 'IN THE PUBLIC RECORD. THE TITLE REPORT SAYS THIS PROPERTY WAS FORMERLY CONTAMINATED. HERES WHAT YOU CAN AND CAN'T DO ON IT. HERE IS THE PRECAUTION TO TAKE IF YOU ARE GOING TO EXCAVATE BELOW 15 FEET OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES. I BELIEVE THEY PROHIBIT SCHOOL USE. IT'S TYPICALLY SOMETHING TO DO WITH CHILDREN, DAYCARE, RESIDENTIAL USE, ANYTHING WHERE CHILDREN MIGHT COME IN CONTACT WITH THE EARTH OR FOLKS MIGHT DIG DOWN. TYPICALLY THERE'S A LAYER OF CLEAN ABOVE ANY AREA THAT'S GOT RESIDUAL CON TOM NATE THEY'RE TRYING TO TIN YOU -- TIN YOU ATE OVER TIME. SOMETIMES THEY PUT PHYSICAL WALLS ON EITHER SIDE TO KEEP IT FROM MY GRATING. I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE ISSUE ON THIS SITE. TYPICALLY THEY PUT A CAP ON THE TOP. PROBABLY HEARD THE TERM "BROWN FIELD" THAT'S COMMON. JAGUAR STADIUM IS A BROWN FIELD. ENTIRE PARKING LOTS. THERE'S A CAP THERE. YOU CAN'T USE IT FOR RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY. THE CAP IS DEEMED TO PROTECT HEALTH AND HUMAN SAFETY. IF YOU WANT TO DIG YOU HAVE TO GO TO THE FDP AND SAY HERE WHAT'S WE ARE GOING TO DO. THAT MAY APPLY TO SOME OF THESE 50S. THAT'S THE FLEXIBILITY THAT STONERIDGE WANTS TO PRESERVE BECAUSE THEY'RE GUY THROUGH THE PLAN WITH THE DEP. YOU DO RUN INTO THE SITUATION WHERE YOU CANNOT PHYSICALLY REMEDIATE A PROPERTY TO A QUOTE/UNQUOTE RESIDENTIAL STANDARD. THE SAFEGUARD IS YOU CANNOT USE IT FOR RESIDENTIAL STANDARDS. YOU WON'T HAVE PEOPLE MOVING IN OUT OF CONCERN WHATEVER CONSTITUENTS REMAIN THEY MIGHT BE EXPOSED. THOSE ARE SAFEGUARDS. THE FDP THIS IS WHAT THEY DO EVERY DAY. YOU GO THROUGH THE REGULATORY PROCESS AND GET THE PLAN APPROVED AND DO THE TEST AND THEY INSPECT IT. END OF THIS THE DAY YOU GET A SIGNED OFF. I HOPE I HAVE ADDRESSED SOME OF THE FOLKS CONCERNS. THANKS AGAIN FOR YOUR TIME. CHAIRMAN CELLA: SO IS THAT THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSIONER: ACTUALLY VOTED ON OR WAS JUST RECOMMENDED BY COMMISSIONERS? SPEAKER: THEY VOTED ON IT BUT IT WASN'T A RECOMMENDATION TO AMEND IT BECAUSE THAT HAPPENED THROUGH PUBLIC HEARING. I THINK IN THIS CASE EVEN THOUGH IT WAS A TEXT AMENDMENT WE'D HAVE TO NOTIFY THE LANDOWNER AND PROPERTY WITHIN 350 FEET. I THINK. SO, THEY'RE NOT PRESENTING THIS TO YOU AS A CHANGE. THEY'RE TRYING TO GET CONSENSUS ON WHETHER YOU WANT TO PURSUE THAT AS AN ACTUAL CHANGE TO THE CODE AND TO THE COMP PLAN. CHAIRMAN CELLA: I THINK THERE'S STILL QUESTIONS. ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO THE DEP. I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT, BUT ALSO IN A LEGAL SENSE DON'T WANT TO PUT US IN A BAD SITUATION EITHER. SO, COURTNEY WHAT WOULD YOU REC IN TERMS OF -- RECOMMEND IN TERMS OF US GIVING YOU DIRECTION AND WORKING OUR WAY TOWARDS WHAT ED HAS SUGGESTION SUGGEST WHAT WE NEED TO DO. SPEAKER: I CAN FOLLOW UP WITH THE DEP. THIS WILL BE SIMPLE. IF THE DEP IS GOING TO REQUIRE THEM TO REMEDIATE TO A RESIDENTIAL STANDARD THAT WILL BE A MUCH SIMPLER WAY FOR US TO MOVE FORWARD. IF THEY ARE GOING TO ALLOW THEM TO REMEDIATE CERTAIN AREAS COMMERCIAL WE PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE FURTHER DISCUSSION. I DID REACH OUT TO MR. COOK TODAY AND I DID NOT HEAR BACK. BUT I CAN FOLLOW UP AGAIN. COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: OKAY. I THINK WE JUST WAIT UNTIL WE HEAR BACK FROM DEP. CHAIRMAN CELLA: YEAH BECAUSE THIS WILL HAVE TO GO TO THE PLANNING COMMISSIONER: AGAIN YOU SAID? SPEAKER: WE HAVE CHANGES TO OFFER. IT WOULD HAVE TO GET ADVERTISED. IT WOULD HAVE TO GET NOTIFIED AND COME BACK BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION AS AN ACTUAL CHANGE. CHAIRMAN CELLA: WE'LL PLAY THE [03:55:03] DEP CARD AND LET COURTNEY CONTINUE TO TRY TO GET HOLD OF HIM. IF NOT WE CAN SEND OUT A NICE LETTER THAT SAYS WE'D LIKE YOU TO RESPOND AND THEN SEE WHAT HAPPENS. THEN IF WE HAVE TO, WE CAN MOVE IT TO PLANNING COMMISSION FOR NEXT MONTH AND TAKE ACTION AFTER THAT. SPEAKER: OKAY. CHAIRMAN CELLA: WE HAVE NO CHOICE -- SPEAKER: I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH A MONTH I'M JUST LOOKING FOR A TIMEFRAME. SPEAKER: ED AND I WILL REPORT BACK IN NOVEMBER WHAT WE'VE WORKED OUT WITH THE DEP OR WHAT WE'VE HEARD FROM THEM AND WE'LL KNOW IF IT'S WAY ON THEIR BACK BURNER, OR IF HE IS REALLY WORKING ON IT. CHAIRMAN CELLA: AND WHAT THEIR GAME PLAN IS IN TERMS OF RECOMMENDATIONS THEY'RE GOING TO MAKE. SPEAKER: EARLIEST POSSIBLE WE COULD BRING IT TO PLANNING COMMISSION IS DECEMBER BECAUSE OF ADVERTISING. CHAIRMAN CELLA: OKAY. TWO WEEKS WE'LL HEAR -- WE'LL REVISIT THE ISSUE AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS FROM THERE. MR. TANNER, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TODAY. AND FOLKS THANK YOU FOR YOUR INPUT ON THE ISSUE. WE GO TO NEW BUSINESS. NUMBER 12 IS THE RFQ18/19-40. [12.  RFQ #18/19-40, Financial Advisory Services] FINANCIAL ADVISORY SERVICES. ONE OF THE FIRST STEPS FOR GETTING A BOND PUT IN PLACE FOR THOSE ROADS WE TALKED ABOUT IS TO GET AN ADVISOR. KAREN? SPEAKER: GOOD AFTERNOON. THIS ITEMS IN REGARDS TO THE RFQ'S RECEIVED FOR THE FINANCIAL ADVISORY SERVICES. WE RECEIVED THREE PROPOSALS. WE HAD STAFF OF THREE EVALUATE AND RANK THESE. SO, YOU HAVE THE RANKING BEFORE YOU. AT THIS TIME THE BOARD CAN DIRECT STAFF TO BEGIN NEGOTIATIONS AND AWARD TO THE NUMBER 1 RANKED FIRM PFM FINANCIAL ADVISORS OR THE BOARD MAY REQUEST PRESENTATIONS FROM THE FIRMS. I DID WANT TO NOTE THAT PFM WAS THE FIRM THAT WE USED IN 2008 FOR THESE SERVICES. CHAIRMAN CELLA: I THINK AS FAR AS I AM CONCERNED I THINK THERE'S ENOUGH SPREAD BETWEEN NUMBER 1 AND NUMBER 2 THAT THE FACT THAT WE HAD THEM PREVIOUSLY, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO GO WITH PFM. COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: I JUST WANT TO KEEP THINGS MOVING. COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO SPEED UP GOVERNMENT. I MEAN, WITHIN REGULAR MEANS. COMMISSIONER HENDRY: I MOVE TO ACCEPT PFM. SPEAKER: KNEES ARE THE GUYS WHO ARE GOING TO DO THE FINANCIALS TO SHOW US WHETHER OR NOT THAT MAKES SENSE. WE DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THE FINANCIALS LOOK LIKE FOR SURE. THAT'S WHERE I WAS GOING TODAY AT THE MEETING. CHAIRMAN CELLA: WE HAVE A PRETTY GOOD IDEA. COMMISSIONER BOLLA: YOU GOT THEM. I DON'T. I GOT PROBLEMS WITH THEM. IT WILL GO. COMMISSIONER HENDRY: IF WE HAVE THE PFM REPRESENTATIVE COME UP I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. CHAIRMAN CELLA: SURE. SPEAKER: GOOD EVENING. JEREMY NAYFIELD. HERE TO HAP 80 ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE. CHAIRMAN CELLA: COMMISSIONER HENDRY DOES HAVE QUESTIONS. COMMISSIONER HENDRY: THE FIRST QUESTION. WHEN YOU ARE AWARDED SOMETHING OF THIS MEASURE, WHAT WOULD BE YOUR TIMELINE SPECIFICALLY MAYBE ON THIS PROJECT. HOW MUCH TIME DO YOU CONSUME BEFORE WE CAN SEE SOME DUST? [LAUGHTER] SPEAKER: BY DUST YOU MEAN DOLLARS, COMMISSIONER? COMMISSIONER HENDRY: NO. CHAIRMAN CELLA: ACTION I THINK HE IS TALKING ABOUT SP SPEAKER: WE'RE PREPARED TO MOVE IMMEDIATELY. AS SOON AS THE CONTRACT IS IN PLACE WE CAN BEGIN PRESENTING RECOMMENDATIONS AND CONSULTATIONS FOR FINANCIAL PLANS CONSIDERATIONS. COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: SO, YOU GOT ANOTHER ONE. GO AHEAD. COMMISSIONER HENDRY: I'M THINKING. COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: CAN YOU GIVE US A BROAD OVERVIEW OF WHAT YOUR ROLE IS IN THE BOND ISSUE. SPEAKER: THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. AT PFM WE SERVE AS AN EXTENSION OF STAFF AS A FIDUCIARY. WE'RE THE ADMISSIBLE ADVISOR BROUGHT IN AND THE EXPERT THAT PROVIDES RECOMMENDATIONS AND SUGGESTIONS AS TO THINGS TO CONSIDER. WE LOOK AT THE AFFORDABILITY OF CERTAIN DEBT OPTIONS, CERTAIN ALTERNATIVES. WE PROVIDE SENSITIVITIES TO WHAT WOULD YOU BE LOOKING AT BY ENTERING INTO A MARKET AS WELL AS CERTAIN APPROACH CONCEPTS. SO, AS THE EXTENSION OF STAFF WE PROVIDE THE ANALYTICS AS WELL AS THE EXPERTISE TO COME WITH STAFF TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE BOARD. COMMISSIONER HENDRY: SO YOU WOULD RECOMMEND -- WOULD BE PREPARED TO RECOMMEND WHETHER OR NOT THIS WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA UNDER PARTICULAR TERMS SET OUT FOR US TO FOLLOW? SPEAKER: MR. COMMISSIONER, WE DON'T MAKE POLICY DECISIONS, BUT WE DO PROVIDE THE FINANCIAL METRICS AS W THE CONSIDERATIONS. WHETHER THEY'RE PROS OR CONS AND MAYBE SOME OF THE SENSITIVITIES TO WHAT THE RANGE IS OF RISK AS WELL AS [04:00:06] OPPORTUNITY. COMMISSIONER HENDRY: OKAY. COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER HENDRY: WHAT I AM TRYING TO DETERMINE IS THE PART OF THIS THAT YOU ARE DOING, ARE YOU LOOKING AT DOING THIS IN A MONTH, SIX MONTHS OR A YEAR? JUST GIVE ME SOME GUIDELINES ON HOW TIME CONSUMING YOUR PART OF THIS IS. SPEAKER: SURE. IT IS AN EXTENSIVE PROCESS. WE WORK WITH STAFF. WE WOULD ENGAGE IMMEDIATELY WITH STAFF WITH THE FINANCE TEAM AS WELL AS THE ADMINISTRATOR TO UNDERSTAND THE FUNDA FUNDAMENTALS. WE AND OUR PROPOSALS DEMONSTRATED WHAT WE KNOW. BUT FOR THE PARTICULARS AND THE SPECIFICS WE WOULD MOVE IMMEDIATELY. BY MIDDLE OF NOVEMBER I WOULD THINK WE'D HAVE A HANDLE AS TO YOU KNOW WHAT ACTION STEPS WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD ON. IT'S TYPICALLY A TWO TO THREE-MONTH PROCESS TO REALLY GET THINGS GOING. SO, BY SPRING OF 2020 IT WOULD BE REASONABLE TO BRING FORWARD, YOU KNOW, A FINANCING. IF YOU ARE PREPARED TO MOVE THAT FAST. BUT THERE MAY BE SOME ADDITIONAL CONVERSATIONS THAT WE HAVE ALONG THE WAY WHERE YOU ALL WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME ADDITIONAL ANALYTICS. SO THE SCORE CARD AND SOME OF THE BACKGROUND ANALYSIS WE'VE ALREADY COMPLETED, THE DEBT OVERVIEW WE ALREADY HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING OF. IT'S THE PARTICULARS ABOUT THE PLAN OF FINANCE AND WHAT YOU ARE ACTUALLY LOOKING TO FINANCE THAT WE WOULD WORK WITH OVER THE NEXT THREE TO FOUR WEEKS THEN COME BACK WITH A RECOMMENDED PLAN OF ACTION. COMMISSIONER BOLLA: WOULD YOU NEED TO HAVE THE UNDERWRITING PEOPLE AND THE BOND PEOPLE INVOLVED IN WHAT YOU ARE DOING? SPEAKER: A LOT OF THE STUFF WE DO DOES INVOLVE BOND COUNCIL. BOND COUNCIL IS INTEGRAL TO THE DOCUMENTS PROCESS AND PREPARING WHAT IS A REASONABLE APPROACH FROM THE COUNTY'S PERSPECTIVE. THE UNDERWRITING TEAM, THEY PROVIDE, YOU KNOW, INFORMATION ALONG THE WAY AS FAR AS THE CURRENT PRICING TRENDS AND THEIR THOUGHTS. SO, YOU KNOW, THE THOUGHT OF MOVING FORWARD AS A TEAM WOULD CREATE SOME EFFICIENCIES. MEETING IN MID-NOVEMBER WE COULD COME PROBABLY WITH A MORE COMPLETE PACKAGE WITH WHAT THE FINANCING WOULD LOOK LIKE AS WELL AS THE TIMING FOR MOVING INTO THE MARKET AND ACCESSING CAPITAL. CHAIRMAN CELLA: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? VERY GOOD. THANK YOU, SIR. WE APPRECIATE IT. SPEAKER: THANK YOU. CHAIRMAN CELLA: DO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO RECOMMEND PFM? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSIONS? ALL IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY AYE. OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES 5-0. NUMBER 13 WHICH IS [13.  RFQ #18/19-41, Underwriting Services] OUR RFQ18/19-41 UNDERWRITING SERVICES. SPEAKER: THIS IS VERY SIMILAR. THE SAME COMMITTEE OF THREE EVALUATED THESE THREE PROPOSALS. YOU HAVE THE SCORING BEFORE YOU. USB FINANCIAL WAS RANKED NUMBER 1. RBC CAPITAL NUMBER 2. AND WELLS FARGO NUMBER 3. I DID WANT TO MENTION THAT RBC WAS THE FIRM THAT WE HAD IN 2008 FOR THE BONDING. AGAIN, YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO GO AHEAD AND AWARD TO THE NUMBER 1 RANKED FIRM OR REQUEST PRESENTATIONS. COMMISSIONER BOLLA: THESE GUYS ARE RIGHT ON TOP OF EACH OTHER. CHAIRMAN CELLA: ON ONE HAND YEAH I UNDERSTAND THAT CONCEPT. ON THE OTHER HAND THESE ARE VERY CLOSE AND THE FOLKS WE USED LAST TIME WAS RBC. I DON'T KNOW HOW -- IF WE WAITED TWO WEEKS TO SEE A PRESENTATION TO MAKE A DECISION WHETHER WE'D HOLD UP THE OTHER GUYS BECAUSE THEY'VE GOT WORK TO DO BEFORE THEY GET TO THE COUNCIL. SO I WOULD BE COMFORTABLE DOING THAT BUT I'M OPEN TO SUGGESTIONS. COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: I DON'T CARE EITHER WAY. I'LL SEE A PRESENTATION BUT -- COMMISSIONER HENDRY: I'D BE COMFORTABLE MOVING ON WITH WHO THE STAFF RANKED. THESE PRESENTATIONS ARE GREAT. THEY'RE GOING TO BE -- BOTH OF THEM ARE GOING TO BE OUTSTANDING. I'M NOT SURE IT'S GOING TO GIVE ME ANY INFORMATION BETTER THAN WHAT -- COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: MAKE YOU LATER FOR DINNER? COMMISSIONER HENDRY: THAT TOO [LAUGHTER] CHAIRMAN CELLA: WE KNOW HOW COMMISSIONER HENDRY LIKES DINNER. COMMISSIONER HENDRY: IN THE INTEREST OF MOVING THIS ALONG I SUGGEST WE MAKE A DECISION. CHAIRMAN CELLA: SOMEBODY MAKE A MOTION. COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: I'LL MOVE WE APPROVE UBS FINANCIAL SERVICES. COMMISSIONER HENDRY: SECOND. CHAIRMAN CELLA: ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED. THE MOTION CARRIES 4-1. NUMBER 14. [14.  RFQ #18/19-42, Bond Counsel] RFQ18/19-42. BOND COUNSEL. SPEAKER: AGAIN VERY SIMILAR TO THE PREVIOUS TWO ITEMS. THE SAME COMMITTEE EVALUATED THESE PROPOSALS. WE RECEIVED FIVE. YOU HAVE THE RANKING BEFORE YOU. WE DID HAVE A TIE FOR NUMBER 2. AGAIN YOU CAN GO WITH STAFF'S [04:05:03] RANKING OR REQUEST PRESENTATIONS. COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: I THINK NABORS WROTE THE BOND LANGUAGE BACK IN THE DAY. THEY'RE LEGENDS IN THAT REALM. SO I WOULD BE COMFORTABLE WITH JUST MOVING FORWARD WITH THEM. COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: SAME HERE. COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: I MOVE APPROVAL OF NABORS, GIBLIN AND NICKERSON. COMMISSIONER HENDRY: SECOND. CHAIRMAN CELLA: ANY OTHER THOUGHTS OR DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY AYE. OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES 5-0. AND WE'RE DONE. THANK YOU, KAREN. NUMBER 15 IS THE WANDER MEDIA. THAT'S [15.  Wander Media Company-Visitors TV Channel Services] THE VISITORS TV CHANNEL SERVICES. OUR FILM DIRECTOR STILL HANGING IN HERE. SPEAKER: THANK YOU ALL. BEFORE YOU, YOU HAVE A CONTRACT FOR WANDER MEDIA. THEY ARE THE VISITOR TV CHANNEL FOR NORTHEAST FLORIDA. AND WE WOULD LIKE TO ENTER INTO AN AGREEMENT SO THAT WE CANNOT ONLY GET VIDEO FOOTAGE BUT WE CAN BE FEATURED ON FOUR DIFFERENT DESIGNATION CHANNELS IN NORTHEAST FLORIDA IN UP TO 61 HOTELS ONCE WE JOIN THE WANDER MEDIA FAMILY. THAT WOULD -- WE WOULD ADD ALL OF OUR HOTELS MAKE THAT 71 HOTELS. THE AIR-TIME FOR OUR PRODUCTION WOULD BE AT LEAST -- AT A MINIMUM THREE TIMES A DAY, 365 DAYS A YEAR IN THOSE MARKETS. IT COVERS JACKSONVILLE, ST. AUGUSTINE, ST. SIMONS, THE SOUTHERN PART, THE GOLDEN ISLES OF GEORGIA, AND AMELIA ISLAND. ONCE WE HAVE 12 BUSINESSES PARTNER WITH US TO DO VIDEO PRODUCTION SEGMENTS, THEN WE WILL GET OUR OWN CHANNEL. COMMISSIONER BOLLA: TWO THINGS. WHAT'S THE THINKING? SOMEBODY IS SITTING AT AMELIA ISLAND AT THE RITZ CARLTON AND SEE A PICTURE OF CLAY COUNTY AND SAY I WANT TO GO THERE TOMORROW? SPEAKER: THERE ARE A LOT OF ECO-TOURISM ENTHUSIASTS THAT REALLY TRAVEL ALL OVER NORTHEAST FLORIDA NOT JUST AMELIA ISLAND BUT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR NEW EXPERIENCES. AND SOME THINGS THEY HAVEN'T EXPERIENCED BEFORE. THAT'S WHERE WE FIT THAT GAP. COMMISSIONER BOLLA: THE SECOND THING IS HOW DO WE KNOW THAT THIS DID ANY GOOD? SPEAKER: SO, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE PLAN TO DO IS CREATE A UNIQU UNIQUE URL FOR THE END OF THE SIDSLE REEL AND ALL THE VIDEOS THE COUNTY PRODUCES FOR THIS CHANNEL SO WE CAN TRACK TRAFFIC TO THE WEBSITE FROM THAT MARKETING OPPORTUNITY. COMMISSIONER BOLLA: SO WE EXPECT TO SEE A WEB HIT AFTER THEY WATCH THE TV SHOW? SPEAKER: UH-HUH. COMMISSIONER BOLLA: OKAY. COMMISSIONER HENDRY: AND YOUR COMMUNICATIONS WITH WANDER IF DID THEY PROVIDE YOU WITH TESTIMONIALS OF SATISFIED CUSTOMERS. HAVE YOU TALKED TO ANY OF THEM? SPEAKER: NOT PERSONALLY. I TAKE THAT BACK. I TALKED WITH DENNIS CHAND FROM THE BLUE BAMBOO, WHICH IS A RESTAURANT IN JACKSONVILLE. AND HE'S VERY PLEASED WITH THE RESULTS HE'S RECEIVED FROM HIS SEGMENT ON WANDER MEDIA. COMMISSIONER HENDRY: REALLY? SPEAKER: YES. THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THIS -- THEY'RE STORYTELLERS. AND THE QUALITY OF THE VIDEO PRODUCT IS FANTASTIC. COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: AND WE CAN USE IT FOR NOT ONLY TV BUT FACEBOOK, ONLINE. SPEAKER: RIGHT. IT'S DUAL OWNERSHIP. SO WE WOULD OWN THE VIDEOS. THEY WOULD BE MARKETING US. WHEN THEY'RE MARKETING WANDER MEDIA. BUT WE WOULD OWN THE CONTENT AND BE ABLE TO USE IT IN OUR OWN SOCIAL MEDIA EFFORTS AND ON OUR WEBSITE AND THROUGH OUR DIFFERENT MARKETING EFFORTS AS WELL. CHAIRMAN CELLA: ALSO REALIZE IN THE WORLD OF MEDIA, NOT ONLY ARE WE GETTING THE VIDEO PRODUCT TO PUT ON WHICH IS PRETTY EXPENSIVE WHEN YOU GO OUT TO DO IT YOURSELF BUT WE'RE GETTING THE AIR-TIME. AND THAT AIR TIME IF WE GET THREE SPOTS A DAY, 7 DAYS A WEEK, 365 DAYS FOR THE YEAR, THAT'S ABOUT A 1,009 # SPOTS. IF YOU WORK OUT THE COST PER SPOT IT'S ABOUT $27 PER PLAY WHICH IS PRETTY INEXPENSIVE FOR TV. ESPECIALLY MARKETED TV AUDIENCE THAT IS ALREADY HERE. THEY'RE USED TO COMING TO NORTHEAST FLORIDA OR IN SOUTHEAST GEORGIA. SO, CONSEQUENTLY THEY KNOW THE WAY. AND IF THEY SEE OTHER THINGS WE'RE HOPING OBVIOUSLY CHECK IT OUT. SPEAKER: AND WE MAY START OUT GETTING DAY VISITORS FROM THIS EFFORT IN HOPES TO TURN THEM INTO OVERNIGHT VISITORS. COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: ESPECIALLY IN ST. -- THE NEW FORT STATE PARK COMES ONLINE. [04:10:06] COMMISSIONER HENDRY: IF YOU WOULD ALLOW ME, DOES ANYONE CORRESPONDED WITH HISTORICAL COMMISSION ABOUT WHAT THEY NEED TO BE DOING ON THAT? SPEAKER: I WILL CHECK WITH THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION. COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: I'LL MOVE APPROVAL IF YOU WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON THIS. I THINK BETWEEN THE GUY WHO HAS BEEN IN MEDIA STUFF AND OUR EXPERT I'LL TRUST THIS. COMMISSIONER BOLLA: MR. CHAIRMAN A WAIVER OF THE PURCHASING POLICY. SPEAKER: YES. COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: AND A WAIVER OF THE PURCHASING POLICY. AND I HAVE A FEELING COMMISSIONER BOL BOLLA IS GOING TO ASK WHY. SPEAKER: THEY REQUIRE A PORTION OF THE ADVANCED PAYMENT. JUST A PORTION. NOT ALL OF IT. THE TDC RECOMMENDED PASSING IT. CHAIRMAN CELLA: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? WE HAVE A SECOND. ANYTHING ELSE. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. OPPOSED. MOTION CARRIES 5-0. THANK YOU. WE GO [16.  Sixth Renewal to Agreement/Contract #13/14-100 with the Clay County Economic Development Corporation] FROM 15 TO 16. THIS IS THE SIX RENEWAL TO THE AGREEMENT WITH THE CLAY COUNTY ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION. THERESE. SPEAKER: HELLO HELLO! SO THIS IS THE EDC CONTRACT 6TH REVISION. IT WAS ON THE FINANCE COMMITTEE MEETING LAST WEEK. AND WAS PULLED TO THE FULL BOARD JUST A COUPLE OF INTERESTING NOTES ON THIS. THIS WAS ESTABLISHED ORIGINALLY AS A SOLE SOURCE. WE'RE STILL PRETTY MUCH LOOKING AT IT AS A SOLE SOURCE. THERE'S BEEN SOME DISCUSSIONS ABOUT GOING OUT FOR AN RFP WHICH WE CAN DO. RECENTLY THEY HAVE RECEIVED THE 501(C)(3) STATUS WHICH WE THINK WILL HELP THEM. WE'VE ALSO MET WITH J.J. AND SOME OF THE BOARD MEMBERS. AND J.J. IS HERE TONIGHT. AND THEY'RE GOING TO MEET WITH US OR GIVE YOU GUYS A PRESENTATION AT LEAST QUARTERLY IF NOT MONTHLY. SOME OF THE SPECIFIC TASKS IS GRANTS. THIS PAST YEAR THEY RESPONDED TO 37 DIFFERENT REQUESTS FOR INQUIRIES THAT CAME DOWN THROUGH THE PIPE THROUGH JAX USA. THAT AMOUNT WAS $100,000. SOME OF THE ORIGINAL DISCUSSIONS WERE UP TO APPROXIMATELY $216,000. BUT WE'RE LOOKING AT $100,000. J.J. IS HERE, I'M HERE, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. AND I APOLOGIZE SO SOME OF YOU GUYS JUST GOT THIS TONIGHT. I DON'T KNOW WHY WHEN IT MOVED FROM THE FINANCE COMMITTEE AGENDA TO THIS AGENDA THAT THE BACK-UP DID NOT GO WITH IT. AND I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT. COMMISSIONER HENDRY: TERESA WHAT IS YOUR RECOMMENDATION? SPEAKER: I RECOMMEND WE MOVE FORWARD WITH IT. IF WE WANT TO DO AN RFP, I KNOW THERE'S BEEN DISCUSSION, I'VE TALKED WITH COMMISSIONER BOLLA ABOUT THAT, WE CAN LOOK AT DOING THAT IN MARCH IN ORDER TO BE READY FOR THE NEXT YEAR. COMMISSIONER BOLLA: SO YOU WILL DO ONE IN MARCH? SPEAKER: WE DO WHAT YOU ALL TELL US TO DO [LAUGHTER] COMMISSIONER BOLLA: LAST YEAR WHEN THIS CAME UP THE FIFTH TIME I ASKED FOR AN RFP. I AM NOT GOING TO PULL A ROBINSON AND DIG THROUGH THE FOOTAGE. SPEAKER: I DEFINITELY RECALL THAT. COMMISSIONER BOLLA: AND YOU STOOD UP AND TOLD ME YOU DIDN'T HAVE TIME TO DO IT. SPEAKER: SO I DON'T THINK WE DID. SO WE TALKED ABOUT IT AND I THINK IT WAS IN, LIKE, MAY OR JUNE. THERE WAS A LOT GOING ON IN MAY AND JUNE INCLUDING OUR NEW GUY COMING ON BOARD HERE. SO, I DON'T THINK THERE WAS ADEQUATE TIME TO DO AN RFP TO BE HONEST WITH YOU. AND DO IT CORRECTLY. COMMISSIONER BOLLA: I'M NOT GOING TO THROW ROCKS AT WHAT'S GOING ON. I THINK THEY'RE WORKING HARD AT THIS. BUT, I MEAN, THIS THING HAS BEEN RUNNING FOR FIVE YEARS NOW. WHEN YOU STAND UP IN FRONT OF YOUR CONSTITUENTS AND SAY WE NEED MORE INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT, WE'RE DOING EVERYTHING WE CAN DO TO DO IT, IS THAT TRUE, WITH THE SAME OUTFIT FOR FIVE YEARS. NO OFFENSE BUT WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF JOBS PILING IN HERE DO WE. I MEAN, WE'RE TRYING. BUT MAYBE THIS IS NOT THE RIGHT PLACE TO BE LOOKING OR MAYBE WE SHOULD BE LOOKING SOME OTHER PLACES. COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: WHAT I WOULD SAY -- I'D SUPPORT MOVING FORWARD WITH IT THIS YEAR AND THEN WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT WE ALL AGREE TO DO AN RFP FOR NEXT YEAR. BECAUSE THAT'S NOT A KNOCK ON THE CURRENT ORGANIZATION. I THINK IF THEY'RE DOING A GREAT JOB WE STILL NEED TO DO A RFP BECAUSE [04:15:05] THAT'S COMPETITION. I EAT AT CH CHICK-FIL-A ALL THE TIME BECAUSE THEY LIKE THEM BETTER AND THEY ALWAYS PERFORM. COMMISSIONER BOLLA: WE DON'T HAVE TO TAKE -- CHAIRMAN CELLA: THAT'S THE SAME, YOU KNOW, COUPLE OF MEETINGS AGO WHEN I BROUGHT UP THE WHOLE THING ABOUT JAX USA. IF YOU ARE GOING TO TAKE THAT EXTENT AND I'LL ROLL IT RIGHT OVER TO JAX USA. WE'VE BEEN PAYING THEM $50,000 A YEAR FOR TEN YEARS. WHAT HAS IT BROUGHT US. RESOURCES AND RESEARCH BUT CAN WE PAY FOR THE RESEARCH AND GET IT CHEAPER? DO SOMETHING ELSE WITH THAT MONEY. I MEAN, I THINK WE SHOULD DO THAT. I THINK ALSO IT HELPS OUR CURRENT SITUATION BECAUSE IT HELPS THEM HOME DOWN AND FIGURE OUT WHAT THEY NEED TO DO AND MAY NEED HELP WITH AND FIND OUT WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT. IN TERMS OF MAYBE A DIFFERENT APPROACH OR ASPECT IN TERMS OF REMOVING OBSTACLES. WHO KNOWS. BUT FOR THIS YEAR I THINK WE NEED TO GO THE COURSE AND WE'VE GOT CERTAIN THINGS WE'RE GOING TO GET THAT WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN BEFORE AND HOPEFULLY THAT WILL HELP. COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: IF YOU WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION I HAVE A LONG ONE. COMMISSIONER BOLLA: WE'RE LOOKING FOR IT TO GO OUT TO AN RFP. SPEAKER: IF I CAN JUST MAKE A COMMENT BEFORE YOU MAKE A MOTION. KAREN THOMAS WAS SOME ON SOME OF THE DISCUSSIONS AND SHE'S SENT US A CALENDAR INVITE FOR MARCH FOR THIS DISCUSSION. SO IT'S ON THE CALENDAR ALREADY. COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: WE GOT TO DO IT BEFORE WE HAVE BUDGET FINALIZED. SPEAKER: WE WERE JUST WAY TOO LATE IN THE GAME TO DO THAT THIS YEAR. COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: I MOVE WE APPROVE THIS YEAR'S RENEWAL. WE GO OUT FOR RFP NEXT YEAR. AND THEN WE ALSO INVITE JAX USA 20 COME AND SPEAK TO US AND EXPLAIN WHAT WE GET FOR OUR MONEY [LAUGHTER] CHAIRMAN CELLA: THAT'S A GOOD ONE. COMMISSIONER HENDRY: SECOND. COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: I SAID IT WAS A LONG MOTION. SPEAKER: WALLACE DID COME TO SPEAK IN FRONT OF THE BOARD AND WE HAVE A MEETING PLANNED TO SPEAK WITH HIM AND J.J. HERE NEXT TUESDAY. THANK YOU SHARICE. AND WE WILL HOLD THEIR FEET TO THE FIRE. THAT IS THE BOTTOM LINE. J.J. CAME AND BRIEFED HIS PERFORMANCE METRICS. WHY I WOULD EXPECT HIM TO COME MONTHLY. HE IS HERE. HE WAS HERE. THERE HE IS THANK YOU. HE'S MOVING. HE'S MOVING AROUND [LAUGHTER] BUT THAT IS KEY TO PERFORMANCE. TO HAVE THESE PERFORMANCE METRICS. THEN WE WILL GO OUT WITH THIS RFP. IT'S NO OFFENSE TO THEM. HE KNOWS THAT ALREADY. WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT. IT'S GOING TO KEEP EVERYBODY ON THEIR TOES IS THE BOTTOM LINE. AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK THOSE ARE THE REQUIREMENTS AND WHAT WE HAVE IN PLAY. AND WE'LL ALSO EXTEND ANOTHER INVITATION TO HAVE ANDRE COME AGAIN TO BRIEF YOU ALL. COMMISSIONER BOLLA: WE MAY NOT BE ABLE TO FIND ANY BETTER IDEAS. I'LL BE QUIET [LAUGHTER] CHAIRMAN CELLA: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY AYE. OPPOSED. MOTION CARRIES 5-0. THANK YOU, J.J., WE APPRECIATE IT. THANKS FOR HANDLING IN THERE. NUMBER [17.  Extension and Amendment to Lease Between Alfland, Inc. and Clay County for Supervisor of Elections Facilities] 17 THE EXTENSION AMENDMENT TO LEASE BETWEEN ALFLAND, INC. IN CLAY COUNTY FOR SUPERVISOR OF ELECTIONS FACILITIES. SPEAKER: THIS IS IN CONNECTION WITH THE SUPERVISOR OF ELECTIONS OFFICE. AND THE SUPERVISOR OF ELECTIONS NEEDED SOME IMPROVEMENTS TO THEIR CURRENT BUILDING AND IN CONNECTION WITH THAT THE COUNTY MANAGER HAS MET WITH THE LANDLORD AND NEGOTIATED THE IMPROVEMENTS AS WELL AS AN EXTENSION ON THE LEASE TERM. AND WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE PROVIDED THAT IS AN AMENDMENT IT WILL EXTEND THE LEASE UNTIL MARCH 2031. AND IN CONNECTION WITH THAT THE RENTAL AMOUNT WILL STAY THE SAME BASED ON THE ORIGINAL RENT TERM UNTIL 2021. MARCH OF 2021. IT WILL THEN INCREASE FOR THE NEW RATE. HOWEVER IN CONNECTION WITH THE IMPROVEMENTS, THE IMPROVEMENTS ARE SET FORTH SEPARATELY AS ADDITIONAL RENT. THEY WILL BE PROVIDED AT THE ACTUAL COST OF THE IMPROVEMENTS WITH NO INTEREST. AND IT WAS NEGOTIATED TO HAVE THEM PAID FOR OVER A PERIOD OF 60 MONTHS. ONE THING THAT WAS IMPORTANT TO THE SUPERVISOR OF ELECTION WAS IN CONNECTION WITH THE PARKING AREA TO MAKE SURE THAT CERTAIN [04:20:01] IMPROVEMENTS WERE DONE AND THAT THE PARKING AREA WAS NOT GOING TO BE SOLD DURING THE TERM OF THE LEASE THAT IT WOULD REMAIN AVAILABLE FOR THE FACILITY. THAT IS INCLUDED IN THE AMENDMENT. CHAIRMAN CELLA: SO THE ADDITIONAL RENT WE'RE PAYING FOR THE FIRST FIVE YEARS IS PICKING UP THE FACILITY'S IMPROVEMENTS AT NO INTEREST. THEN IT WILL STAY AT THAT TERM SO THEY'LL MAKE THAT ADDITIONAL RENT PAYMENT FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS TO THE LANDLORD? COMMISSIONER HENDRY: I'VE SPOKEN TO CHRIS CHAMBLISS HE FULLY SUPPORTS IT AND IS HAPPY WITH THE WAY IT'S PUT TOGETHER. ALTHOUGH HE DID ASK ME WHERE THE JACUZZI WAS. AND I SAID NOT THIS YEAR. WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT -- COMMISSIONER BOLLA: RIGHT BEHIND HIS SHOWER. HIS OFFICE [LAUGHTER] COMMISSIONER HENDRY: I'LL SUPPORT A MOTION. COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: I'LL SECOND THE MOTION. JUST WANT TO MAKE ONE COMMENT. BRAG ON THE COUNTY MANAGER. NOW WHEN IT WAS ORIGINALLY PRESENTED THE COUNTY MANAGER SAID LET'S GO BACK AND REALLY CONTINUE TO GET THE BEST DEAL WE CAN. SO I APPRECIATE HIS NEGOTIATION SKILLS AND DESIRE TO REVIEW THAT. IT GIVES ME CONFIDENCE. BECAUSE I KNOW GOVERNMENT SOMETIMES CAN GET IN THE SWING OF JUST DOING THINGS. AND I COMMEND SUPERVISOR OF ELECTIONS TOO ON WORKING WITH THE COUNTY MANAGER ON THE TEAM, THE COMBINATION COURTNEY PROBABLY WAS INVOLVED TOO, I DON'T KNOW WHO ALL WAS INVOLVED, BUT I KNOW WE GOT A BETTER PRICE THAN WE ORIGINALLY WERE OFFERED. SO THAT IS A SUCCESS STORY IN TERMS OF SAVING MONEY AND TAXPAYER MONEY AND NEGOTIATING. SO I APPRECIATE THE EFFORT. COMMISSIONER BOLLA: HOWARD THE HAMMER [LAUGHTER] CHAIRMAN CELLA: I DON'T KNOW -- COMMISSIONER BOLLA: HE'S DONE SOME PRETTY GOOD STUFF SO FAR. CHAIRMAN CELLA: WE'RE THANKFUL HE USED TO BE A CAR GUY [LAUGHTER] ALL RIGHT. SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY AYE. OPPOSED. MOTION CARRIES 5-0. MISS KIMBERLY COMES BACK. LET ME [18.  Golf Tournament Sponsorship] JUST PREFACE WHAT SHE IS GOING TO SAY. WE'VE GOT THREE GOLF TOURNAMENT SPONSORSHIPS. ONE IS FOR THE SAME. BUT THE GENTLEMAN THAT'S SNEAKING UP BEHIND HER, HE'S NOT AN INTERLOPER, WE NEED HIM HERE. HE IS WITH AIR STREAM VENTURES. AND THAT CONTRACT WILL BE COMING TO THIS BOARD. BUT TDC LAST WEDNESDAY MADE THE RECOMMENDATION AND APPROVED THE RECOMMENDATION TO COME TO THIS BOARD FOR THEIR FIRM TO REPRESENT US IN THE WORLD OF AMATEUR SPORTS BRINGING VARIOUS KIND OF EVENTS HERE UTILIZING WHAT WE ALREADY HAVE IN TERMS OF FACILITIES. SO THEY'RE NOT OUT THERE LOOKING TO BRING SOMEBODY IN THAT NEEDS A LOT OF BALL FIELDS AND A LOT OF THINGS LIKE THAT. BUT THEY ARE GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT GOLF, WHICH WE HAVE A LOT OF. THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, CROSS COUNTRY SPARTAN RACES, THINGS THAT WE CAN DO HERE WITH THE FACILITIES WE ALREADY HAVE. SO, WE'VE WORKED ON THAT JUST LAST WOKE. THEY'RE HERE WITH KIMBERLY TO TALK ABOUT A COUPLE OF REAL EXCITING THINGS THAT WILL PUT PEOPLE IN HOTELS AND HOPEFULLY HAVE THEM SPEND SOME MONEY WITH US AS FARAS TOURISM IS CONCERNED. KIMBERLY, WHY DON'T YOU GO FROM THERE. SPEAKER: SO THIS IS COMING DIRECTLY TO THE BOARD BECAUSE OF A TIMING ISSUE. SO, JUST KNOW THAT THE TDC MET LAST WEEK AND WE ARE UNDER DEADLINES FOR THE BID PROCESS FOR THESE -- THE APRIL 2021 AND APRIL 2022 ASON CONFERENCE GOLF CHAMPIONSHIP. WE'VE GOT A COMPETITIVE BID TO PUT TOGETHER. AND IT'S DUE IN THE COMING DAYS. SO, WE'RE WORKING ON ALL OF THOSE SO THAT WE CAN COMPETE TO BRING THAT BUSINESS HERE AGAINST ANOTHER DESTINATION. SO THAT'S THAT. THAT BUDGET IMPLICATION IS FOR' 21 AND '22 SO WE CAN PREPARE FOR THAT. THE NEXT -- SO THAT'S TWO OF THOSE SPONSORSHIP ASKS. THE THIRD IS FOR A TOURNAMENT THAT AIR STREAM VENTURES IS GOING TO BE PLANNING. THE CLAY COUNTY WOMEN'S INVITATIONAL THAT WILL TAKE PLACE DURING A NEED PERIOD FOR TOURISM, MARTIN LUTHER KING WEEKEND. SO IT'S IN JANUARY. AND IT WILL DEFINITELY BRING PEOPLE HERE WHEN WE HAVE THE NEED FOR HEADS IN BEDS. AND JOEL DO YOU WANT TO SAY ANYTHING ABOUT THAT TOURNAMENT? SPEAKER: THANKS, KIMBERLY. THE GREAT THING ABOUT THIS EVENT, WE STARTED A MEN'S EVENT WITH THE AERIAL GOLF ASSOCIATION -- AREA GOLF ASSOCIATION FOUR YEARS AGO DURING MLK WEEKEND. IT'S BEEN A [04:25:04] HUGE SUCCESS. WE'VE AVERAGED 72 PLAYERS THE LAST THREE YEARS. SO WE FEEL LIKE NOW THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY WITH THE WAY THE SCHEDULE HAS FALLEN FOR US TO PLANT A FLAG ON THE WOMEN'S SIDE OF THE AMATEUR GOLF SCHEDULE AND CREATE ANOTHER EVENT IN THAT MLK WEEKEND. AND THE GREAT THING ABOUT IT IS IT'S THREE DAYS. AND WE CAN USE THAT -- MONDAY IS A LONG WEEKEND. IT IS THE LAST WEEKEND WHERE THE COLLEGE PLAYERS AREN'T REALLY TIE UPPED WITH THEIR TEAM. THE NEXT WEEKEND THEY START GETTING INTO THEIR SEASON. SO, THERE'S A BIG PUSH FOR AMATEUR GOLF RANKING POINTS TO GET INTO BIGGER TOURNAMENTS. SO THIS IS ALMOST KIND OF LIKE A LAST-CHANCE, HEY, IF YOU FEEL LIKE YOU NEED A COUPLE OF EXTRA POINTS TO GET INTO A COUPLE OF EVENTS, COME DOWN HERE AND PLAY IN THIS EVENT. CHAIRMAN CELLA: TELL US ABOUT THE PLAYERS THEMSELVES IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, THE PROFILE OF WHO YOU ARE EXPECTING. SPEAKER: SO OUR GAME PLAN IS, WE'RE GOING TO MARKET TO THE TOP ELITE COLLEGE WOMEN'S GOLFERS. THERE'S -- EVERYBODY'S REALLY PUSHING TO GET TO AUGUSTA'S INVITATIONAL. THAT'S KIND OF BECOME THE HOLY GRAIL ON THE WOMEN'S AMATEUR SIDE. THE BEST WAY TO GET THERE IS TO HAVE AS HIGH WORLD AMATEUR GOLF RANKING. FOR US TO COME OUT OF THE BLOCKS WITH RARNGING POINTS IN OUR FIRST EVENT IS A HUGE STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION TO GETTING THOSE PLAYERS. THE FEEDBACK WE'VE GOTTEN KIND OF STARTING TO GET THE BALL ROLLING ON GETTING THE WORD OUT ABOUT THE EVENT HAS BEEN POSITIVE. ESPECIALLY WITH THE SCHOOLS WITHIN THREE TO FOUR HOURS. AND AS WE'RE TALKING WITH THEM THEY'RE LIKE THIS IS GREAT WE'D LOVE THE IDEA. WE'VE NEEDED SOMETHING IN NORTHEAST FLORIDA FOR YEARS THIS IS A GREAT STEP FORWARD. ESPECIALLY WITH IT BEING 54 HOLES. THAT'S THE PREREQUISITE FOR US TO GET THE RANKING POINTS. SO NOW HAVING A CALIBER EVENT THAT IS REACHING THAT LEVEL IS A BIG BOOST IN THE WOMEN'S GOLF SIDE. COMMISSIONER: HOW MANY PEOPLE? SPEAKER: OUR FULL FIELD WE'RE SAYING IS 96 PLAYERS. IF WE GOT TO 72 RIGHT OFF THE BAT, THAT WOULD BE A HOME RUN. 96 IS A GRAND SLAM. AND I'LL BE DOING BACK FLIPS DOWN 17. IT'S INTERESTING BECAUSE THIS IS GOING TO BE ORGANIC WORD OF MOUTH REAL QUICK. WE'LL KNOW -- WE'LL HAVE A REALLY GOOD IDEA WHERE WE'RE AT BY CHRISTMAS TIME. CHAIRMAN CELLA: THE TOURNAMENT WILL BE AT MAGNOLIA POINT RIGHT? SPEAKER: THE CONFERENCE TOURNAMENT WOULD BE AT MAGNOLIA POINT. THIS IS GOING TO BE EAGLE HARBOR. CHAIRMAN CELLA: OKAY. EXPLAIN IF YOU WOULD THE OTHER TWO TOURNAMENTS. WE'RE IN A COMPETITIVE BIDDING SITUATION. SPEAKER: TO THE OTHER ONE IS A CONFERENCE WOMEN'S GOLF CHAMPION ST SHIP. THE CONFERENCE THAT JU AND UMF ARE IN. THEY'VE BEEN IN NORTH GEORGIA, A GREAT RESORT UP THERE, CHATEAU ELON. THE CLUB HAS SAID WE'RE GONE. YOU GOT TO FIND SOMEWHERE ELSE TO PLAY. SO, THEY'RE SHOPPING AROUND. THEY'VE GOT A COUPLE -- THEY'VE GOT ONE VENUE IN PARTICULAR WE'RE COMPETING AGAINST. BUT IT'S 8 TEAM IS THINK IN THE FIRST YEAR THEN IT GOES TO 9 BECAUSE THEY ADD ANOTHER SCHOOL TO THEIR CONFERENCE. SO THEY COME IN FOR FOUR DAYS, THEY'RE PLAYING, THEY HAVE A PRACTICE ROUND AND THREE COMPETITIVE ROUNDS. MOM AND DAD ARE COMING IN THAT DAYMENT FOR THE SENIORS ON THOSE TEAMS THIS IS THE CULMINATION OF THEIR CAREER. 90 PERCENT OF THEM, THIS IS THE LAST MAJOR GOLF TOURNAMENT THEY'RE GOING TO PLAY. AND MOM AND DAD ARE GOING TO BE THERE AND THIS IS WHAT THEY'VE WORKED FOR SINCE THE KIDS WERE FIVE AND FIRST SWINGING A GOLF CLUB. IT IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO GET A LOT OF PEOPLE IN TOWN, PUT THEM ON THE GOLF COURSE, BUT FILL UP THE HOTELS AND RESTAURANTS FOR A WEEK JUST ABOUT. CHAIRMAN CELLA: AND YOU WILL PROBABLY HEAR MORE FROM JOEL WHEN WE COME TO REVIEW THE AGREEMENT. SPEAKER: DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: I MOVE FOR APPROVAL. COMMISSIONER HENDRY: SECOND. CHAIRMAN CELLA: TO ALL THREE? THAT'S FINE. UNDERSTAND WE'VE GOT A BIDDING SITUATION. IF WE DON'T WIN THE BID WE DON'T SPEND THE MONEY. COMMISSIONER BOLLA: WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT $7,500. FOR EACH EVENT. $22,500. REMEMBER ORANGE PARK COUNTRY CLUB WHEN WE WERE TRYING TO GET $7,000 TO DO A REVIEW OF THE FINANCES TO SEE IF THEY SHOULD EVEN EXIST. AND THERE WAS 900 HOMES OUT THERE [04:30:02] THAT WE JUST TURNED OUR BACK ON. I JUST ABOUT CAME -- NO OFFENSE TO YOU GUYS PERSONALLY, I ALMOST CAME OUT OF MY SEAT WHEN I SAW THIS. THAT'S ALL I GOT TO SAY. CHAIRMAN CELLA: OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE? ALL IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY AYE. OPPOSED. MOTION CARRIES [19.  TDC Event Marketing Grant Application - Krawlin' for the Fallen] 4-1. AND WE GO TO THE ITEM NUMBER 19 THE KRAWLIN' FOR THE FALLEN. TDC EVENT. SPEAKER: THIS IS GOING STRAIGHT TO THE BOARD BECAUSE THE EVENT IS NOVEMBER 8TH. THE TDC MEETING THAT WE HAD LAST WEEK RECEIVED THIS GRANT APPLICATION. THIS IS AN EVENT THAT IS RELOCATING FROM OCALA. IT IS FOR JEEP ENTHUSIASTS. THEY'RE TAKING OVER THE FIRM IN KEYSTONE HEIGHTS AIRPORT. AND THE RACE TRACK THERE. THEY'RE BUILDING A JEEP OBSTACLE COURSE AND EXPECTING SEVERAL HUNDRED JEEP ENTHUSIASTS TO COME AND EXPERIENCE THEIR COURSE AND BUILD CAMARADERIE. THESE JEEP INTHUS YEASTS ARE FANATICS ABOUT THEIR ADVENTURES. SO THE PROCEEDS FOR THIS EVENT GO TO FAMILIES OF FALLEN OFFICERS AND FIRST RESPONDERS. WE CONNECTED THEM WITH MEDIA TODAY. WE'RE WORKING WITH THEM TO JUST -- IT IS A GREAT NEW EDITION TO EVENTS IN OUR COMMUNITY. SO, THEY'VE REQUESTED OR THE TDC IS RECOMMENDING A $2,500 GRANT FOR EVENT MARKETING. NOW I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT THE SHORT TIMEFRAME. THEY'RE GOING TO USE THIS FOR MAINLY DIGITAL MARKETING OUTSIDE OF CLAY COUNTY. CHAIRMAN CELLA: REMEMBER THE TDC HAS A FORMULA THAT WE USE TO AWARD BASED ON NUMBER OF HOTEL ROOMS THAT WE THINK THEY'RE GOING TO FILL AND ALL THE OTHER THINGS THEY DO. SO THIS ACTUALLY IS WHAT THEY ACTUALLY REQUESTED MORE THIS IS WHAT THE FORMULA DICTATED WE OFFER THEM. COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: I MOVE FOR APPROVAL. COMMISSIONER HENDRY: SECOND. CHAIRMAN CELLA: ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. MOTION CARRIES 5-0. THANK YOU. COUNTY MANAGER? >> COUNTY MANAGER: I RECEIVED A TEXT FROM MASTER CHIEF ELLIS AND DID NOT REALIZED HIS WIVES WITH IN THE HOSPITAL. ADMITTED YESTERDAY. THOUGHTS AND PRAYERS OUT TO HER. THAT'S WHY HE HAD TO EXIT SO QUICKLY. HE NEVER REVEALED THAT TO ME PRIOR TO THIS EVENT. SO I WANTED YOU ALL TO BE AWARE OF THAT AND JUST TO KEEP HIM IN YOUR THOUGHTS AND PRAYERS. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. CHAIRMAN CELLA: IS THERE SOMETHING WE CAN OFFER UP TO HIM IN TERMS OF CERTIFICATE OR SOMETHING TO SHOW OUR THANKS AND APPRECIATION. SPEAKER: WE'LL WORK ON THAT. I'LL WORK WITH IT WITH JACKIE. COMMISSIONER HENDRY: PHENOMENAL PRESENTATION. COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: IT WAS. ALL TEARED UP. CHAIRMAN CELLA: ANY QUESTIONS FOR COUNTY MANAGER? ALL RIGHT. [COUNTY ATTORNEY] COUNTY ATTORNEY? >> COUNTY ATTORNEY: YES, IN CONNECTION WITH THE OPIOID LIT COMBINGS, AS I'M SURE YOU HAVE BEEN HEARING ON THE NEWS, THERE ARE NOT ONLY MANY OF THE DEFENDANTS ENTITIES FILING BANKRUPTCY BUT MANY OF THEM ENTERING INTO DIFFERENT SETTLEMENT ARRANGEMENTS. SO, IN CONNECTION WITH OUR CURRENT CASE, THERE HAVE BEEN TWO OF OUR DEFENDANTS WHO HAVE FILED FOR BANKRUPTCY. ONE OF THE DEFENDANTS, PURDUE, THEY ARE ACTUALLY WORKING ON A SETTLEMENT PROPOSAL THAT WILL BE PRESENTED THROUGH OUR ACTUAL CASE, THE MULTI-DISTRICT LITIGATION CASE. THE OTHER DEFENDANT, I'M NOT SURE HOW YOU PRONOUNCE IT, INSYS, THEY ORIGINALLY STARTED OUT WITH A PLAN TO COMMIT A S SETTLEMENT PROPOSAL BUT HAVE SWITCHED TO CHAPTER 7 BANKRUPTCY. THEY PROBABLY WILL NOT OFFER ANY PROCEEDS UP TO THE LITIGATION. BUT WHAT THE JUDGE HAS DONE IN CONNECTION WITH THE MULTI-DISTRICT LITIGATION HAS DEVELOPED A NEGOTIATION CLASS WHERE CERTAIN MEMBERS THAT HAVE -- MEMBERS FROM GROUPS THAT HAVE FILED LAWSUITS HAVE BEEN SELECTED TO SERVE AS THE CLASS MEMBERS, AND THEY WILL REPRESENT ALL THE DIFFERENT CITIES AND COUNTIES THAT HAVE FILED. IN CONNECTION WITH THAT NEGOTIATING CLASS THEY'LL BE THE ONES RESPONSIBLE FOR POTENTIALLY NEGOTIATING A SETTLEMENT INCLUDING NEGOTIATING WITH THE PURDUE BANKRUPTCY. WHAT IS BEING PRESENTED TO US IS THE COURT HAS ORDERED IF YOU DECIDE TO STAY IN AND PARTICIPATE IN THAT CLASS YOU DO NOT HAVE TO DO ANYTHING. BUT IF YOU WANT TO OPT OUT, THEN WE HAVE TO NOTIFY THE COURT BY MID-NOVEMBER. OUR COUNSEL STRONGLY SUGGESTS THAT [04:35:04] YOU CONTINUE WITHIN THE SUIT AND BASICALLY OPTIN. ALSO YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING AFFIR AFFIRMATIVELY. WE'RE INCLUDED. WHAT WILL HAPPEN IN CONNECTION WITH THAT IS THEY HAVE A VERY DETAILED STRUCTURE OF HOW IT WILL MOVE FORWARD. ANY SETTLEMENT HAS TO BE APPROVED BY 75% OF WHAT THEY CALL THE CLASS. ALL OF THE ENTITIES THAT HAVE FILED. BUT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU ARE ONE OF THE 25 THAT SAY NO YOU ARE STILL BOUND BY IT. THEY DO HAVE A SPECIFIC ALLOCATION METTIC THAT YOU HAVE TO AGREE TO. THAT IS A FORMULA SET UP AND BASED ON -- IT'S DRIVEN A LITTLE BIT BY POPULATION OF YOUR COUNTY JUST BECAUSE IT IS BASED ON HOW MANY OPIOID EPIDEMICS YOU HAVE, HOW MANY DEATHS YOU HAVE, AND I FORGET -- OH THE THIRD IS THE DISTRIBUTION OF PILLS. HOW MANY HAVE BEEN WITHIN YOUR COMMUNITY. THAT'S JUST A STRICT FORMULA. YOU ARE BOUND BY IT IN SECTION WITH THE SETTLEMENT. ONE LITTLE TRICKY THING IS IN CONNECTION WITH -- IT WILL BE DIVIDED UP, THE SETTLEMENT WILL BE DIVIDED UP PER COUNTY. SO, IF THERE ARE MUNICIPALITIES WITHIN YOUR COUNTY, WHETHER THEY'RE SUED OR HAVEN'T SUED, THEY WILL EXPECT YOU TO AMONG YOURSELVES TO FIGURE OUT IF YOU GIVE THEM ANY OR IF YOU SHARE IT OR HOW THAT HAPPENS. IF YOU AREN'T ABLE TO DO THAT THEY DO HAVE A SPECIAL MANLY IS TRAIT THAT WILL COME -- MAGISTRATE THAT WILL COME IN. YOU REALIZE PARTICULARLY WITH THE STATE OF FLORIDA THE STATE HAS THEIR OWN LAWSUIT AGAINST THEM WHERE THEY WOULD BE RECOVERING AGAINST THE DIFFERENT DEFENDANTS ON BEHALF OF THE STATE AND THEN THAT WOULD BE A SEPARATE DISTRIBUTION TO THE CITIES OR COUNTIES. THAT IS NOT INCLUDED AS PART OF THIS. SO, OUR MULTI-DISTRICT LITIGATION THAT WE'RE PART OF THIS AND THIS NEGOTIATION CLASS IS PURELY FOR LOCAL GOVERNMENT. IT DOES NOT INCLUDE THE STATE FUNDS. BASED ON THE RECOMMENDATION FROM OUR COUNSEL AND FROM REVIEWING EVERYTHING FROM THE COURT, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE STAY IN AND NOT OPT OUT. BUT I NEED YOUR ACQUISITION. COMMISSIONER BOLLA: WOULD ANYBODY OPT OUT? SPEAKER: IF THEY FELT LIKE THEY COULD GET A BETTER DEAL OR IF THEY DIDN'T LIKE THE ALLOCATION MODEL. FOR INSTANCE THEY WERE A SMALLER COUNTY BUT HAD BEEN HIT HARD AND FELT LIKE THEY COULD DO BETTER THAN THE MODEL. BUT THE RISK YOU RUN IS YOU ARE ON YOUR OWN. COMMISSIONER BOLLA: THEN THE BANKRUPTCY, THE COMPANIES THAT FILED BANKRUPTCY, HOW WILL THAT BE TREATED? WILL THEY GET A JUDGMENT AGAINST THEM AND LIQUIDATE TO THE POINT WHERE THERE'S NOTHING LEFT? SPEAKER: THE ONE BANKRUPTCY THAT'S A STRAIGHT 7, I MEAN, THEY WILL BUT IT WON'T HAVE ANY VALIDITY. YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO RECOVER ANYTHING. THERE WON'T BE ANY ASSETS. THE WAY THE PURDUE BANKRUPTCY, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE READ ABOUT IT, BUT IT IS A VERY INTERESTING SETTLEMENT PROPOSAL. PART OF IT IS THE FAMILY, HOW MUCH WILL BE DISTRIBUTED IS BASED ON THE ONGOING SUCCESS OF THE BUSINESS. AND SO IF THEY CAN KEEP GOING AND BEING IN BUSINESS THEN IT ACTUALLY FUNDS THE SETTLEMENT FOR A LARGER AMOUNT. COMMISSIONER BOLLA: THEY GOT TO SELL MORE PILLS [LAUGHTER] SPEAKER: DIFFERENT ONES. BUT, I MEAN, THOSE ARE PROPOSALS THAT NOT ONLY FOR THAT ONE HAS TO BE APPROVED AS PART OF THE BANKRUPTCY BUT THEN ALSO HAS TO BE APPROVED AS PART OF THE MULTI-DISTRICT LITIGATION. CHAIRMAN CELLA: ANYTHING ELSE? SPEAKER: AS LONG AS EVERYONE IS IN FAVOR OF STAYING IN. CHAIRMAN CELLA: YES. OKAY. MOVE TO LETTERS FOR ACTION. [LETTERS FOR ACTION] NEED TO ACCEPT THE RESIGNATION FROM THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD KELLY BO BOHANNON. TERESA WILL GET THE WORD OUT WE'LL NEED TO FIND A REPLACEMENT SO WE CAN KEEP THOSE FOLKS HUMMING. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. OPPOSED. MOTION CARRIES 5-0. LETTERS OF DOCUMENTATION. PUBLIC COMMENTS. DON'T HAVE ANY CARDS AT THIS TIME. IF THERE'S ANYBODY THAT WANTS TO SPEAK TO THE BOARD AT THIS POINT, YOU CERTAINLY ARE MORE THAN WELCOME TO DO SO. SEEING NONE, WE'LL MOVE AHEAD TO COMMISSIONER COMMENTS. WE WE'LL [COMMISSIONERS' COMMENTS] START WITH COMMISSIONER ROLLINS. COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO GO UP TO D.C. FOR ONE OF THE -- THEY HAD A SUMMIT FOR COUNTY COMMISSIONERS UP THERE AND GOT SOME INTERESTING INFORMATION AND CONTACTS ON AGENCY HEADED AND THAT TYPE OF THING. EVEN THOUGH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT IS MOVING FORWARD WITH DARK FIBER I DO THINK WE SHOULD LOOK INTO THE RECORRECT PROGRAM. BECAUSE MY UNDERSTANDING IS THEY'RE GOING TO BE OPENING UP A SECOND ROUND OF THAT IN JANUARY. AND THERE'S GRANTS AND DIFFERENT THINGS THAT HELP FUND RURAL AND IT MIGHT BE SOMETHING WE COULD STACK WITH OR DO AFTER THEY DO THEIRS TYPE OF THING. SO, WOULD JUST ASK IF WE COULD HAVE STAFF LOOK INTO THAT AND KIND OF SEE [04:40:04] IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE FEASIBLE. ANOTHER THING THAT WHILE I WAS UP THERE I WAS TALKING TO OTHER COUNTIES AND LAKE COUNTY DID A PROGRAM WHERE THEY PRIVATIZED THEIR VEHICLE FLEET. SO IT WASN'T ANY INDIVIDUALS. IT WAS THEIR FLEET ITSELF THROUGH ENTERPRISE. EVIDENTLY I DIDN'T EVEN REALIZE THIS, ENTERPRISE HAS A GOVERNMENT DIVISION WHERE THEY CAN MANAGE AND MAINTAIN YOUR FLEET. AND THEY SAVED A COUPLE OF MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR DOING IT. JUST WANTED TO THROW THAT OUT THERE. I'LL KEEP LOOKING INTO IT AND I'M NOT SET ON IT NEED TO BE ENTERPRISE WE PROBABLY NEED TO DO AN RFP BUT IF THAT'S ONE WAY WE COULD SAVE MONEY. AND THEY HIRED -- ENTERPRISE HIRED ANY MECHANICS OR ANYTHING THAT WENT ALONG WITH THAT, THEY HIRED THEM ON BOARD SO IT WAS NO ACTUAL PERSONNEL IMPACTED. BUT ENTERPRISE HAS A BETTER AND MORE EFFICIENT SYSTEM FOR KEEPING VEHICLES MAINTAINED AND THAT TYPE OF THING. JUST ONE THING WE COULD LOOK INTO. I KNOW WE'RE LOOKED INTO PRIVATIZING THE MOWING AND THE MOWERS. MIGHT BE SOMETHING. THE COMMISSIONER I WAS TALKING TO FROM LAKE COUNTY WAS VERY HAPPY WITH THE PROCESS. THEY SAID THEY HAVE A BETTER PRODUCT AND IT SAVED THEM A COUPLE OF MILLION DOLLARS. SO, IF YOU DON'T MIND LOOKING INTO IT, AS COMMISSIONERS AND THEN WE'LL KIND OF MORE TO FOLLOW BUT THAT'S JUST KIND OF HEAD'S UP OF A POSSIBLE IDEA. CHAIRMAN CELLA: IT'S GOT MY ATTENTION. COMMISSIONER ANYTHING ELSE? OKAY. COMMISSIONER HUTCHINGS. COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR THAT PRESENTATION ON OLD GLORY. I WON'T EVER FORGET THAT. THAT WAS VERY MOVING. CHAIRMAN CELLA: COMMISSIONER BOLLA? COMMISSIONER BOLLA: NOW WE KNOW HOW HE MADE CAPTAIN [LAUGHTER] HE STOOD ON SHOULDERS OF GUYS LIKE THAT [LAUGHTER] I WONDER IF WE COULD DO A REVIEW OF OUR POLICIES THAT CHANGED WHEN WE DID THE DOWNTURN IN 2009. THIS ONE PERCENT TO FIVE PERCENT THING, IT'S BEEN SITTING THERE FOR YEARS NOW AND WE DIDN'T EVEN KNOW IT. MS. SHARICE, CAN YOU GO THROUGH ALL THE PAST CHANGES LIKE THAT AND SEE IFS THERE ANYTHING OTHER NUGGETS LAYING OUT THERE WE HAVEN'T SEEN? SPEAKER: SUCH AS THE 1.35APF PERCENTAGE? COMMISSIONER BOLLA: IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE CHANGED DURING THAT TIME PERIOD THAT WE COULD REVISIT NOW THAT WE KNOW WE NEED MONEY FOR ROADS? SPEAKER: YES. THE SIMPLE ANSWER IS QUESTION. I WILL SAY THAT A LOT OF THE STUFF IN OUR CODE NEEDS MAJOR REVAMPING ANYWAY. WHICH WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON. THERE'S ABOUT 13 ARTICLES IN THE CODE. I THINK WE'VE DONE FOUR OR FIVE AT THIS POINT AND TIME. ARTICLE 3 IS THE BIG BEAR THAT'S GOT A LOT OF THIS INFORMATION IN IT. SO, WE'LL PAY ATTENTION TO SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WERE DONE CURRENTLY DURING THAT TIMEFRAME. AND WE'LL CHECK IT OUT. COMMISSIONER BOLLA: ARE WE TALKING MILLIONS OF DOLLARS HERE. MAYBE. SPEAKER: AND WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS 1.35% ESSENTIALLY THE ENTIRE TIME I'VE BEEN HERE. BECAUSE THE COMMENT WHERE ED SAID TONIGHT ABOUT THE ALTERNATIVE FUNDING FOR THIS LAKE ASBURY MASTER PLAN. I THINK IT STARTED ORIGINALLY BACK IN 2002 OR SOMETHING. COMMISSIONER BOLLA: WHO HE HAS BEEN TALKING TO ABOUT IT? NOT ME. SPEAKER: WE'VE BEEN TALKING INTERNALLY. WE'VE BEEN TALKING. YOU'VE GOT SOME CONSULTANTS AND PROPERTY OWNERS AND BIG PROPERTY OWNERS THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, INTERESTED IN COMING UP WITH ALL KINDS OF, UM, CREATIVE WAYS TO HAVE THIS -- ALL THIS ALTERNATIVE FUNDING WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT AND CHANGING IMPACT FEES, ALL OF IT KIND OF WHIRLWIND TOGETHER WITH THIS LAKE ASBURY ALTERNATIVE FEE. SO WHAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT INTERNALLY IS A WAY TO ONCE AND FOR ALL GET RID OF THIS VERBIAGE ABOUT ALTERNATIVE LAKE ASBURY FEE AND FIGURE OUT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN KICK THE APF BACK UP TO 5 WHERE WE THINK IT SHOULD BE. THAT'S WHAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON. LONG STORY SHORT, WE'LL LOOK AT SPECIFIC TIMEFRAMES AND SEE IF THERE'S THINGS THAT NEED TO BE CHANGED BACK. WHICH I THINK WE'VE CHANGED A FEW OF THOSE HONESTLY. COMMISSIONER HENDRY: IF I MAY? BEFORE MY TIME AND IT MAY BE DURING YOURS I KEEP HEARING FROM CERTAIN DEVELOPERS AND MANAGERS THAT WE MADE A VERBAL AGREEMENT IF NOT A WRITTEN AGREEMENT WITH SOME OF THESE DEVELOPERS THAT WE WOULD DO THE APF? [04:45:01] SPEBUILD THE APF ROADS. SPEAKER: THAT'S BEEN PART OF THAT ALTERNATIVE LAKE ASBURY MERESTER PLAN DISCUSSION. NOT THAT I KNOW OF. WE'LL LOOK AT IT. LONG SHORT ANSWER [LAUGHTER] COMMISSIONER BOLLA: GOOD. WE GOT SOME SERIOUS ISSUES WE NEED TO FLUSH OUT HERE. SPEAKER: I THINK THAT WAS DONE, I'M GOING SAY WHEN I WAS SITTING WHERE YOU ARE. BUT I SHOULDN'T SAY THAT OUT LOUD [LAUGHTER] COMMISSIONER BOLLA: CONJUNCTION WITH COMMISSIONER ROLLINS SUGGESTION, THERE'S BEEN A MOVE FOR NATURAL GAS FUELLED VEHICLES FOR A LONG TIME. AT ONE POINT I HAD THE SHERIFF CONVINCED TO TURN 30% OF HIS FLEET INTO CNGS JUST TO SEE WHAT IT WOULD DO. WE'VE ALSO GOT THE SCHOOL BUSES WHICH I'M SURE WE COULD, IF THIS THING WOULD MAKE SENSE, AND WE'VE GOT OUR OWN FLEET AND THE GARBAGE TRUCKS. THERE WAS A PROPOSAL AT ONE POINT TO PUT A STATION IN HERE IN GREEN COVE SPRINGS. WE'VE GOT A NATURAL GAS LINE THAT RUNS RIGHT IN HERE NOW. ALL WE NEED IS A COMPRESSION STATION. I SUGGEST WE LOOK INTO THAT. I MEAN, THERE COULD BE SOME BIG BUCKS THERE WE COULD SAVE. COMMISSIONER HUTCHING: AND CONVERSION FOR THE VEHICLES. COMMISSIONER BOLLA: IF WE GOT ALL OF THIS TOGETHER AND WENT INTO IT. CHAIRMAN CELLA: THERE'S A LOT OF CITIES AND COUNTIES GOING TO ELECTRIC VEHICLES BECAUSE THE VEHICLES DON'T HAVE TO GO THAT FAR SO THE CHARGE IS NOT A BIG DEAL. COMMISSIONER ROLLINS: THE SHALE OIL REVOLUTION HAS DRIVEN DOWN THE PRICE OF NATURAL GAS BECAUSE IT IS A BYPRODUCT OF FRACKING IN NORTH AND SOUTH DAKOTA. CHAIRMAN CELLA: I THINK IT'S WORTHWHILE TO LOOK AT THOSE ALTERNATIVES TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY KIND OF COST SAVINGS AT ALL. AND CERTAINLY WITH THE GAS, CARS NOT ONLY DO THEY BURN CLEANER BUT THEY ALSO NEED LESS MAINTENANCE TOO. COMMISSIONER BOLLA: WE COULD PROBABLY GET HELP OUT OF THE TPO AS WELL. THEY'RE INTO THAT SORT OF STUFF. CHAIRMAN CELLA: OKAY. COMMISSIONER BOLLA: HAM JAM. HAM JAM WAS FUN. I ENJOYED IT. CHAIRMAN CELLA: NOT ENOUGH PEOPLE DID. COMMISSIONER BOLLA: NOT ENOUGH PEOPLE WERE THERE BUT IT WAS A GOOD FIRST TRY I THOUGHT. AND I THINK IT WAS SAFE. I DON'T THINK THERE WAS ANY INCIDETS REPORTED OF ANY MAJOR WRONGDOINGS. I SAW A COUPLE OF CONES TURNED OVER IN THE PARKING LOT BUT THAT WAS ABOUT IT. KUDOS TO THE ORGANIZATION OF DOING THAT. I KNOW OUR STAFF SPENT A LOT OF TIME WORKING ON THAT. SO THANK YOU. CHAIRMAN CELLA: VERY GOOD. FIRST OFF, CHIEF MOCK, YOU ARE OFF BY 15 MINUTES. ESTIMATED 8:00 FOR THE END OF THE MEETING TODAY. JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE HE KNEW HE WAS OFF. HE IS STILL HERE. COUNTY MANAGER, I WANTED TO ASK WHERE WE WERE WITH MOVING AHEAD ON THE REQUEST TO THE LEGISLATURE FOR OUR SAN FRANCISCO DEPUPA? >> I WILL CHECK ON THAT. CHAIRMAN CELLA: BY THE SAME TOKEN I GAVE TO THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD A LEAD FOR WHAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE THE OLDEST STANDING BUILDING IN THE COUNTY WHERE THE OWNER MAY BE WILLING TO DONATE 30 ACRES PLUS THAT BUILDING TO US. SO I SENT THEM OFF TO HUNT AND FIND OUT WHETHER THAT'S THE CASE OR NOT. WE SHOULD ALSO THANK THE FOLKS IN ORANGE PARK, AT LEAST THE FOLKS THAT PUT ON THE EVENTS. THE FALL FESTIVAL THE 37TH ANNUAL WAS FANTASTIC. THEY HAD A HUGE CROWD ON SUNDAY AFTER THE RAIN ON SATURDAY SORT OF DELAYED PEOPLE. THEY ALL CAME OUT ON SUNDAY. IT WAS JUST A WALL-TO-WALL OF PEOPLE. OF COURSE, EARLIER WE MOVED THEM INTO THE SIGNIFICANT EVENT CATEGORY SO THAT, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE OF THE IMPACT THEY HAVE ON THE COUNTY WITH THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT SHOW UP. SO, OTHER THAN THAT, THANK YOU ALL, APPRECIATE YOUR PATIENCE. THANK YOU TO STAFF THAT STAYED IN. SORRY, CHIEF, YOU LOST THE POOL TODAY. BUT WE'LL ADJOURN. AND * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.