[PUBLIC COMMENTS] [00:00:12] THE FIRST ITEM IS PUBLIC COMMENT. ANYBODY HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT. [1.  Discussion of Traffic Counts - (Stewart/Lehman)] THE FIRST ITEM IS DISCUSSION OF THE TRAFFIC COUNTS. >>> I HAVE A LITTLE PRESENTATION TO REVIEW NOT JUST THE TRAFFIC COUNTS BUT HOW WE GOT THEM. THIS MAP SHOULD LOOK FAMILIAR. THIS IS THE MAP THAT WAS DONE IN THE WIPE PAPER. AS YOU RECALL WE PRESENTED THE NEEDS PLAN TO BASICALLY IF CLAY COUNTY HAD MORE MONEY THAN WE KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH THIS WAS THE ROAD IMPROVEMENTS WE WOULD DO. IT CAME FROM A STUDY. WE HAD ADDED COUNTY ROAD 209. SO THAT WAS THE MEANS PLAN FOR THAT WAS THE NEEDS PLAN. HERE'S THE FINANCIAL PLAN. THIS IS HOW WE CAME UP WITH OUR IMPACT THE RECOMMENDATIONS. WE HAD A SHORTFALL OF ABOUT 22 MILLION. WE TOOK WHAT WE HAD IN THE NEEDS PLAN IMPAIRED DOWN TO THE FINANCIALLY THESE MEN PLAN THESE ARE THE ROAD. JUST AS AN ASIDE, WE HAVE INFORMATION -- I THINK YOU RECEIVED IT, BUT ON THE IMPACT FEES COLLECTED WHICH WAS 2 MILLION THESE ARE THE ROAD. JUST AS AN ASIDE, WE HAVE INFORMATION -- I THINK YOU RECEIVED IT, BUT ON THE IMPACT FEES COLLECTED WHICH WAS $2,770,000. WE EXCEEDED OUR BUDGET OF 1.9 MILLION LAST YEAR. 2.778 MILLION. NOW THIS MAP SHOWS THE IMMEDIATE ISSUES. THE SEGMENTS IN RED ARE THOSE THAT ARE IDENTIFIED AS SUFFICIENT IN OUR SPREADSHEET. THE SEGMENTS IN PURPLE ARE THOSE IDENTIFIED AS CRITICAL MEETING -- MEANING THIRD 90 PERCENT OF THE VOLUME TO CAPACITY. THEY ARE NOT QUITE YET DEFICIENT BUT THEY WILL BE. I HAVE A TABLE THAT SHOWS THE HISTORY OF HOW THESE GOT TO WHERE THEY ARE, THE DEFICIENCIES. THERE ARE FOUR SEGMENTS THAT ARE IDENTIFIED AS SUFFICIENT. WE ARE COUNTY ROAD 28 BEING Ã SANDRIDGE ROAD COUNTY ROAD 289 AND THERE ARE TWO SEGMENTS ONE IS FROM 315 B HIGHWAY 17. THE OTHER IS COUNTY ROAD 315 B. IF YOU LOOK AT YOUR SPREADSHEET, THE SEGMENT FORM COUNTY ROAD 315 B TO HIGHWAY 17 IS NOT IDENTIFIED THAT THAT'S ONLY BECAUSE WE HAD THAT ONE-MILE CONCURRENCY RADIUS. ANY TRAFFIC THAT IS RESERVED ON THE SEGMENT OF 39 BE SHOULD ALSO -- WOULD ALSO BE INCLUDED. TRAFFIC HAS TO GO SOMEWHERE. SO EVEN THOUGH THAT SEGMENTS IS OKAY, IT'S DEFICIENT BASED ON RESERVE TRAFFIC. COUNTY ROAD 220 FROM STATE ROAD 23 TWO HANDLEY, AND COUNTY ROAD 220 FROM HIGHWAY 17 TO LAKESHORE DRIVE. IF I COULD REGRESS. I HAD A MEETING THIS MORNING AT THE GPO WILL WE TALKED ABOUT THEIR TMA FUNDING, THEIR LONG RANGE PLAN, THEY HAD TO SEGMENTS IN THEIR PLAN AND THEIR IDENTIFIED IN GREEN HERE. ONE IS JUST WOULD OAK EXTENSION AND THE OTHER IS COUNTY ROAD 220. THERE JUST WOULD OAKES WAS FROM SAVANNAH GLENN ALL THE WAY TO THE INTERCHANGE FOR THE ENTIRE THING. AS YOU'RE AWARE -- RADIO -- GREEN FINDERS -- THAT TAKES A MILE AWAY FROM WHAT HAS TO BE FUNDED IF THAT'S THE WAY IT'S BEEN APPROVED. ALSO COUNTY ROAD 220, AS YOU KNOW IS FUNDED [00:11:42] TESTING TESTING TESTING >>> THERE'S VERY FEW. THERE'S ONLY LIKE TUNA COUNTY [00:12:12] BUT WE THINK WE CAN GET A THIRD ONE THE FACT THAT WE FUNDED -- WERE THE OTHER TWO GOT FUNDED PARTIALLY. >>> ON NOW. I WANT TO LOOK AT IT FOR A DAY? >>> EVERYBODY'S LOOKING AT ME. OKAY. THAT'S FINE. >>> MR. CHAIRMAN, WE WILL JUST HAVE IT READY FOR THE NEXT MEETING. >>> SURE. THE NEXT ONE, FOLLOWING THIS? >>> THE ONLY REASON I ASK. >>> NOT THE NEXT ONE? >>> AND WE -- THE REASON I WANTED TO BRING IT TO IS BECAUSE YOU TALKED ON THE TPO. EVEN IF WE DON'T OFFER RECOMMENDATION YOU KNOW THE RECOMMENDATION. YOU'LL HAVE TO MAKE THAT. YOU HAVE THE INFORMATION. >>> IS IT -- IS IT LOOKED AT -- THEY'RE GOING TO -- EVEN THOUGH WE PAID FOR IT, THEY'RE GOING TO GIVE US THE MONEY FOR THIS PROJECT? IS THAT YOUR SENSE OF WHAT'S GOING ON? >>> THE TMA FUNDS ARE -- IF IT'S NOT IN THE 20/40 PLAN AND THEY CAN'T USE THE FUNDING FOR THAT. SO THEY'LL USE IT TO NASSAU OR DUVAL COUNTY ARE ONE OF THOSE. IN THE TWO PROJECTS THAT THEY HAVE RIGHT NOW THAT ARE ON THE LIST OR THE COUNTY ROAD 220. YOU CAN SEE BOTH OF THOSE ARE ON OUR PRIORITY LIST AND THIS IS ANOTHER ONE. THIS IS ANOTHER WAY TO FUND IT. THERE'S NO GUARANTEE THAT THEY WILL USE THAT MONEY. >>> THAT'S RIGHT. >>> IS NO GUARANTEE THAT GIVE US MONEY. >>> IT WILL GET US CLOSER. >>> CORRECT. >>> ALL RIGHT. LET'S SEE. WHAT ELSE DO WE HAVE HERE. SCORING, THAT'S GOOD. SO, DID WE UNRAVEL THIS WEALTH ROAD ISSUE HERE? ON THE JIM KNIGHT TOLD ME IS THAT IS GOING OUT IS THE OPEN PROJECT. THEY SAY THOSE ARE THE TWO WORST INTERSECTIONS WITHIN DISTRICT TO. >>> I THINK THE QUESTION IS IS FUNDED OR IS IT STILL IN THE TO BE FUNDED WORK PLAN. >>> DESIGN IS TO START WITH THE NEXT TWO YEARS. >>> IT'S IN THE FIVE-YEAR FUNDED. >>> YES, SIR. >>> OKAY. I CALLED THIS MORNING AND NOBODY CAN TELL ME WHAT WAS GOING ON. THEY WERE IN A STAFF MEETING AND BLAH BLAH BLAH. OKAY. NEXT? WE'VE GOT A DISCUSSION OF THE MAJOR ROADWAY BONDING PROJECTS. [2.  Discussion of Major Roadway Bonding Projects - (Smith)] [00:15:07] MR. SMITH. >>> YES, SIR. YOU'VE GOT THE HANDOUT THAT'S TITLED MAJOR ROADWAY BONDING PROJECTS AND WHAT WE DID IS WE TOOK THE LIST THAT WE GOT FROM AND ON THE CRITICAL AND EFFICIENT PROJECTS ENLISTED THOSE AND WE ADDED A FEW OTHER PIECES AND PARTS TO THE LIST. AND THESE AREN'T NECESSARILY, I GUESS, IN A PRIORITY ORDER, BUT THE NUMBER ONE PROJECT ON THE LIST IS COUNTY ROAD 209 FROM US 17 TO HANDLEY AND WE BROKE IT UP INTO THE THREE PIECES THAT YOU WOULD LOOK AT WITH THE FIRST TWO PIECES, US 17, THE COUNTY ROAD 315 B AND THEN COUNTY ROAD 315 B2 SANDRIDGE. THOSE TWO PIECES, AS I SAID ARE BOTH DEFICIENT AND YOU HAVE A TOTAL OF THOSE TWO WOULD BE CLOSE TO OR $1 MILLION. FROM THAT, WE'VE GOT THE NEXT ROAD THAT IS DEFICIENT IS SANDRIDGE AND THEN SAY 36, $708,000 ROADWAY PROJECT. THE NEXT ONE THAT WE'VE GOT ON THEIR IS PINE AND THAT ONE SEGMENT FROM BEHIND TO COSMO'S IS DEFICIENT AND THAT'S 26 MILLION. WE COME ON DOWN TO 220 AND WE GOT STATE ROAD 21 -- STATE ROAD 21 TO HANDLEY ROAD AND THE TOTAL PRICES A LITTLE OVER 25 MILLION A WEEK SPLIT THAT UP TO TWO FACES FROM 23 TWO JUST WEST OF HANLEY THAT GETS US TO BACK THE ROAD AND THEN FROM 23 OUT TO 21 AND YOU CAN SEE THE SPLITS ON THOSE, 13,200,000 FOR THE SECTION THAT WILL GET US TO BAXLEY AND THEN ANOTHER 800 MILLION AND 1100 THOUSAND WOULD TAKE US OUT TO STATE ROAD 21. WE GOT BAXLEY ON THERE. IT IS OKAY, BUT IT WILL BE A ROAD THAT WILL TAKE A LOT OF TRAFFIC ONCE THE BELTWAY IS OPENED UP BECAUSE OF THE EXIT ON 21. AND THEN WE'VE GOT COUNTY ROAD 220. THAT'S A SIX LANE PROJECT THAT WAS $35 MILLION. WE BROKE IT UP INTO TWO PIECES FROM COLLEGE TO LAKESHORE WEST AND THEN FROM LAKESHORE TO U.S. 17. THE ONE PIECE IS CONSIDERED CRITICAL AND THUS THE LAKESHORE TO U.S. 17 AND THAT'S $13,000,500 FOR THAT. JUST THOSE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, WE'VE GOT IT ESTIMATED AT A LITTLE OVER $16 MILLION. THERE ARE TWO BRIDGES THAT ARE GOING TO TOTAL ABOUT A THOUSAND FEET TO CROSS THE 2 AND A HALF MILES OF ROADWAY THAT WILL BE BUILT TO CONNECT THE EASTERN AND SO I GUESS THIS OTHER END, THE DREAM FACTORS IS BUILT -- TO THE MILD UP YOU'RE GOING TO BUILD EAST OF CHALLENGER. THAT'S WHY THAT ESTIMATE IS AS HIGH AS IT IS. WE'VE GOT -- I WAS AT -- ASKED ABOUT COUNTY ROAD 315 FROM 16 TO 17 AND THAT'S 25,686,000 AND WE BROKE THAT UP INTO TWO PIECES FROM U.S. 17 315 B, WHICH IS A LITTLE OVER $8 MILLION AND THEN TO CARRY IT BACK AROUND TO 16 IS ANOTHER $17,000,640. WE ADDED OUR FAVORITE PROJECT RADAR ROAD AND THAT'S $3.6 MILLION. THE TOTAL SO WE HAVE -- WE HAVE A TOTAL FOR ALL THE ROADWAYS WHICH IS A LITTLE UNDER $300 MILLION. THE TOTAL OF THE DEFICIENT IN CRITICAL ROADWAYS IS 129,000,984 A LITTLE UNDER $300 MILLION. THE TOTAL OF THE DEFICIENT IN CRITICAL ROADWAYS IS $129,000,984. >>> YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? >>> HOW MUCH MONEY IS IT GOING TO BRING IN. WE TALKED ABOUT HUNDRED 3 MILLION OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. >>> SO MR. CHAIRMAN, IN TALKING TO MR. PRICE THE CHIEF AND I WENT TO GO GET AN UPDATE ON THAT AND WE CAN EASILY -- THERE ARE SHEETS IN FRONT OF YOU -- I BELIEVE THEY GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF THE NUMBERS. IT WOULD BE THIS ONE THAT HAS A YELLOW LINE ON IT AND IT BREAKS IT OUT. 42 PERCENT, THREE PERCENT OR FOUR PERCENT IT WOULD BE A 10 OR 15 YOUR BOND. YOU ARE BORROWING $125 MILLION BUT THE BOND PROCEEDS WOULD BE -- FOR INSTANCE AT TWO YEARS IT WOULD BE HUNDRED 10 MILLION AND CHANGE THEIR. HE GIVES YOU AN IDEA. THE SWEET SPOT IN THE BOTTOM LINE IS SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 105 AND 110 MILLION WOULD BE THE SWEET SPOT. YOU CAN DO LESS. IN FACT, LIKE JUST RUN NUMBERS [00:20:01] --? RUN THEM BEFORE THEY GET CUT OFF BUT IF YOU WENT OUT TO 18 YEARS -- IT HAS TO COINCIDE WITH THE LENGTH OF THE TERM OF REVENUES FROM THE SALES TAX WOULD BE FOR THE NEXT 18 YEARS. IF YOU DID THAT I TWO PERCENT AND YOU BORROWED SAY $100 MILLION, I TWO PERCENT, YOU WERE LOOKING AT 92 MILLION IF YOU BORROW 100 MILLION. AND WHY I POINT THAT OUT IS BECAUSE YOUR DEBT SERVICE, THE AMOUNT THAT YOU'RE PAYING OFF IS $6.6 MILLION. WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT COMPARED TO 100 MILLION AT FOUR PERCENT, AT EVEN 10 YEARS, YOU'RE LOOKING AT A DEBT SERVICE OF APPROXIMATELY 12.3 MILLION. SO HALF THE AMOUNT THAT YOU'RE PAYING FOR THE DEBT SERVICE. SO IT GIVES YOU A ROUGH IDEA. BUT LONG ANSWER FOR AN EASY, QUICK QUESTION? 105 TO HUNDRED 10. THAT'LL PROBABLY BE THE SWEET SPOT. >>> HOW GOOD ARE THESE ESTIMATES OF THE CONSTRUCTION COST. >>> WE USE THE LONG-RANGE ESTIMATE NUMBERS THAT THEY HAVE. I'M COMFORTABLE WITH THEM. WE ESTIMATE RIGHT AWAY AT ABOUT 25 PERCENT OF THE CONSTRUCTION COST THESE ARE ALL ESTIMATES THAT ARE MADE WITHOUT A PG&E STUDY. THESE ARE CONCEPTUAL ESTIMATES BUT THEY ARE USING GOOD DATA FROM DOT. >>> IF WE STARTED -- ALL RIGHT. SO WE NEED TO GET THE LIST TO ABOUT 105 MILLION RIGHT? >>> SO MR. CHAIRMAN, A DISCUSSION YESTERDAY THAT WE HAD, IF YOU JUST LOOK AT DEFICIENT ROADS THAT ARE LISTED ON YOUR CHARGE, IN ORDER THERE ARE THE FOUR THAT ARE LISTED THEY EQUATE TO 103 POINT -- 103 MILLION IN ORDER THERE ARE THE FOUR THAT ARE LISTED THEY EQUATE TO 103 POINT -- 103,284,000 ON $160 WHEN YOU ADD THEM ALL UP. IT GETS YOU RIGHT IN THERE AND THAT AMOUNT TO BE 105. >>> WHAT WILL BE LEFT OVER TO DO SOME OF THE OTHER ONES. >>> YOU COULD. >>> AN ESTIMATE OF FREE CASH FLOW. DO WE DO THAT. >>> THERE'S NOT ONLY THAT BUT THERE'S A SAVINGS IN TALKING TO MIKE ABOUT THAT. ANY OF THOSE SAVINGS THAT WE HAVE WE WOULD MAKE SURE IT'S IN THE CONTRACT OR WAY THAT IT WOULD BE INFRASTRUCTURE RELATED THAT WE BE ABLE USE THE MONIES TOWARDS. >>> TOWARD SAVINGS? >>> HAVE WE HAD -- WE HAVE HAD A HISTORY WHY HAVE SAVINGS RATE. >>> LET'S TAKE IT STEP-BY-STEP. FIRST OF ALL, DO YOU THINK YOU WANT TO KNOW HOW MUCH MONEY WE HAVE LEFT OVER AFTER PAYING DEBT SERVICE SALES TAX REVENUE STREAMS CORRECT? WHAT'S WHAT I REALLY LIKE TO KNOW IS HOW MUCH CAPITAL WE HAVE COMING IN. WE'VE GOT THE HALF-CENT SALES TAX. WE HAVE A ONE CENT SALES TAX. >>> YOU'VE GOT THE -- WITH GOD IMPACT FEES. >>> AND WHAT ABOUT. >>> WE HAVE THE FIFTH CENT GAS TAX. WHEN YOU ADD ALL THAT UP AND YOU TAKE OUT FIRE ENGINES AND STUFF FOR SAFETY, AND REQUIRED ISSUES HOW MUCH IS LEFT OVER. >>> FIRST. >>> EACH ONE OF THOSE IS A SEPARATE REVENUE STREAM THAT'S RESTRICTED LIKE THE GAS TAX CAN ONLY BE FOR TRANSPORTATION PROJECTS. BETTER CIE. HER PART OF YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. LET'S TALK ABOUT INFRASTRUCTURE SALES IN THOSE THINGS OTHER THAN THAT IT'S GOING TO BE A CONSTANT ANYWAY. SO IMPACT FEES ARE HARD TO ESTIMATE BECAUSE YOU HAVE A GROWING NUMBER OF IMPACT FEE CREDIT ARRANGEMENTS WITH DEVELOPERS OUT THERE. SO THOSE ARE GOING TO CUT INTO YOUR IMPACT THE RECEIPTS TO A GREATER DEGREE OF TIME. YOU CAN'T ESTIMATE THE RESIDUAL -- EITHER AN AMOUNT OR TIMING OF THE INFLOW OF THOSE CASH FLOWS THEN YOU SHOULD BE BUDGETING THEM. YOU NEED TO BUDGET. AFTER SURE ABOUT THE AMOUNT YOU COLLECTED LAST YEAR. AFTER THE CREDIT AGREEMENT. SO LET'S TALK ABOUT THE SALES TAX. STARTING NEXT YEAR YOU'RE GOING TO GET ABOUT $22 MILLION YEARS OF LOOKING AT -- IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT A CASE WHERE YOU JUST USE ONE ON YOUR SHEETS, IF YOU'RE GOING TO BOND $125 MILLION AT TWO PERCENT OVER A 15 YEAR TERM, YOUR ANNUAL DEBT SERVICE WOULD BE ABOUT $9.7 MILLION IT ENDED UP WITH 12 AND HALF MILLION DOLLARS LEFT OVER TO ADDRESS ADDITIONAL -- WHICH IS EVERYTHING OTHER THAN YOUR COMPREHENSIVE EXPENSE IMPROVEMENTS OF YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. OTHER THAN YOUR PUBLIC SAFETY VEHICLES AND PUBLIC SAFETY EQUIPMENT TYPES OF NEEDS. SO THIS WOULD YOU BE CARVING ABOUT TWO TO CONTROLS THAT WITH THE PREVIOUS 2009 SERIES BOND ISSUE THAT WE PUT OUT, YOU'RE [00:25:06] LOOKING AT ABOUT 12 AND HALF MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR IN TOTAL INFRASTRUCTURE SALES TAX WITH ABOUT 900 IN TOTAL INFRASTRUCTURE SALES TAX WITH ABOUT 900 MILLION DEBT SERVICE. THE SO BE DIFFERENT ABOUT THIS AT THIS PARTICULAR TIME. SO DOES THAT ADDRESS YOUR PRIMARY QUESTION MAKES THE GAS TAX, THAT'S GOING TO BE A CONSTANT NO MATTER WHAT ANYWAY. AND WITH THE STAFF IS WORKING ON RIGHT NOW I BELIEVE IS PARSING THAT OUT BECAUSE THEY ARE RESTRICTED SOURCES SO YOU WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO COMBINE ALL OF THESE ANYWAY. THE IMPACT FEES, EVEN AS YOU COLLECT THOSE, WILL PROBABLY NOT YIELD ENOUGH TO DO A DISCRETE COP PROJECT NORWICH ORDINANCE DESIGNED TO DO THAT. IT ANTICIPATES THAT YOU'RE GOING TO AUGMENT THOSE FUNDS WITH OTHER TYPES OF CAPITAL REVENUE. SO THAT'S WHERE YOU STAND WITH THOSE. OKAY. >>> ALREADY. SO LET'S SEE WHAT WE HAVE HERE. DISCUSSION OF THE ROAD LIST. [3.  Discussion of Road List - (Smith)] >>> WHAT I WAS ASKED TO PUT TOGETHER WAS LET'S LOOK AT ABOUT $5 MILLION IN DIRT ROAD PAVING TO GIVE YOU THE OPTION TO LOOK AT THAT AND SEE IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD WANT TO CONSIDER TO GET US A LITTLE BIT FURTHER DOWN THE ROAD AT $500,000 THAT I GET A YEAR CURRENTLY IN THE BUDGET. -- A PART OF THE ROAD IT'S TAKEN US THREE YEARS TO FINISH UP INDIGO AND BASED ON THAT FUNDING SOURCE MOST OF OUR DIRT ROADS ARE WELL OVER MILE LONG. YOU CAN UNDERSTAND WHY IT TAKES THREE YEARS OF COLLECTING FUNDS TO ACTUALLY BUILD THE ROAD. WHAT I DID IS I LOOKED AT ALL OF THESE ROADS EXCEPT FOR FRAZIER AND BOVINE AROUND THE CURRENT DIRT ROAD PAVING LIST. THEY ARE AT DIFFERENT LEVELS. THERE IS DIFFERENT LEVELS OF COMPLAINTS ON ALL OF THEM. THE REASON I PUT FRAZIER AND BOVINE, THEIR SHORT ROADS. IF I CAN PAVE THOSE I DON'T HAVE TO BRING GREATER DOWN TO 17 DEGRADE THE -- RATE THOSE TWO ROADS. AND VERY LOW COST ALTOGETHER. LIVE OAK LANE, WE'VE HEARD FROM THE PEOPLE ON LIVE OAK LANE. ON NUMEROUS OCCASIONS. BLACK CREEK IS A FAIRLY LONG ROAD. WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME ON FROM A MAINTENANCE STANDPOINT AND A COMPLAINT STANDPOINT. CLOVER LANE WAS PROMISED YEARS AGO TO BE PAVED AND I'VE HEARD THREE OR FOUR DIFFERENT STORIES AS TO WHY GOD PULLED FROM THE PROGRAM. WE HAVE A LITTLE PIECE OF OLD CHURCH ROAD, IT'S PROBABLY 500 FEET IT GOES ALONG WITH FRAZIER AND BOVINE. IT'S ON THE DIRT ROAD PAVING LIST AND IF WE WAIT LONG ENOUGH I HAVE SOMEONE ON ONE END WHO'S BEEN BILLING HIS END OF THE ROAD. SO EACH YEAR I GO, I WILL HAVE LESS AND LESS TO PAY. I'M BRINGING A GREATER OUT THERE IS NOT SAFE TO DRIVE A GRADER DOWN 17 TO SPEND 20 OR 30 MINUTES GRADING THE ROAD. THERE'S A LOT OF ISSUES AND COMPLAINTS AND -- AND KEYSTONE AND 209 S., TO THE PUTNAM COUNTY LINE, IT'S A DIRT ROAD. AND WHEN WE DO THAT, THE ONE THING THAT IS NOT ESTIMATED WITH THE MILLION DOLLARS IS THERE IS A SINGLE LANE BRIDGE AND WE PROBABLY WILL NEED TO ADDRESS THAT. >>> WE ARE UP TO 125 MILLION TO DO ARE CRITICAL ROADS. THIS WILL TAKE ANOTHER SIX. >>> THIS IS YOUR CHOICE. IF YOU WANT TO DO IT, THIS IS TO GIVE YOU AN OPTION. >>> WERE AT 130 NOW. (LAUGHING) CHRISTMAS, LET'S ADD TO THE LIST. >>> AS LONG AS IT'S CHRISTMAS. >>> I THINK IN YOUR PACKAGE YOU'VE GOT A MULTI- COLOR SHEET. IT'S A FLIP OF THE CURRENTLY APPROVED RESURFACING LIST. THE REDLINE IS WHERE YOU HAVE APPROVED FOR THIS YEAR'S BUDGET. AND WHAT I DID IS I BASICALLY DID A RUNNING TOTAL. THERE IS UNDERDRAIN ISSUES ALL THE LINES FOR THE STREETS. THESE ARE THE ROADS THAT ARE REALLY BAD. IF YOU LOOK AT THE NUMBERS, WE ARE IN THE 30'S. THOSE ARE DEFICIENT ROADWAYS. I GAVE YOU SORT OF A GOLD OR BROWN LINE, THAT'S A $5 MILLION OPTION. AND THEN AT THE END OF THE PAGE WAS A 10 MILLION. AND JUST FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION, DO YOU WANT TO DO MORE IN RESURFACING? THIS CONTINUES ON DOWN. >>> IF YOU'RE ASKING ME, I'D RATHER SPEND MONEY ON THE PEOPLE THAT WERE PAYING TAXES FOR 30 YEARS AS OPPOSED TO THE [00:30:03] PEOPLE WHO AREN'T HERE YET. BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO GO THAT WAY. >>> LIKE I SAID, JUST AN OPTION FOR YOU. >>> WILL HOW DO WE GET THE MONEY? I GUESS IS THE NEXT QUESTION. THE BONDS ARE LOOKING TO MAKE MONEY. WE STILL HAVE THE SAME AMOUNT OF MONEY WHETHER WE BOND OR NOT. HOW DO WE -- HOW DOES THAT AFFECT THIS? FILL ME IN ON WHERE THIS MONEY IS COMING FROM WHERE WE DON'T HAVE IT NOW. >>> THE ONLY -- AN OPTION, MR. CHAIRMAN AS DALE MENTIONED. LET'S SAY YOU LOOK AT THE 103 JUST EFFICIENT BUT YET WE HAVE 110 MILLION AS AN EXAMPLE. SO THAT SEVEN AS AN EXAMPLE. SO THAT 7 BILLION THAT'S LEFT. YOU COULD CHOOSE TO DO A PORTION OF THOSE ROAD RESURFACING DOWN TO A CERTAIN LINE. FOR ME I ARBITRARILY HAD DALE PICK OUT 5 MILLION 10 MILLION. IF WE HAD $5 MILLION -- IF WE HAD IT, WHERE WOULD THAT GET US TO? >>> SO THAT'S WHAT THAT CHART IS SHOWING YOU RIGHT THERE. AND THE BLUE LINE WOULD BE -- IT'S NOT NECESSARILY CREATING MONEY. IT'S JUST. >>> IT'S WISHFUL THINKING. >>> AND IT'S -- IT GIVES YOU OPTIONS TO PICK AND CHOOSE WHAT YOU ALL WOULD LIKE TO DO. BECAUSE YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU'RE DOING A MAJOR CAPITAL PROJECT, IT'S PRETTY MUCH A SET AMOUNT IT'S USUALLY 26+ MILLION IT SEEMS LIKE IF YOU LOOK AT IT ON THERE AND SO YOU'RE LIKE OKAY. WHEN YOU ADD UP A FEW OF THOSE YOU HAVE SOME LEFTOVER AMOUNT, WHAT WILL WE LIKE TO USE THAT LEFTOVER AMOUNT? YOU COULD SAY WE DON'T WANT TO USE IT. WE HAVE TO SAY THIS THAT'S AN EXAMPLE OR YOU CAN SAY I WANT TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IT AND WE CAN USE IT TOWARD THIS. >>> AGAIN, I THINK WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS -- YOU WANT TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE BIG MUSCLE MOVERS, THOSE AREAS THAT ARE CRITICAL AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, DEFICIENT AND TAKEN CARE OF THOSE DEFICIENT ROADS THAT ARE CURRENT AS WE'VE JUST BEEN BRIEFED AT THE BEGINNING. THESE ARE JUST OTHER OPTIONS THAT ARE OUT THERE. >>> AND ALSO UNDERSTAND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HAS CHANGED SINCE WE'VE HAD AN INFRASTRUCTURE COMMITTEE MEETING IS THAT THE BOARD HAS AFFIRMED WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE DISTRIBUTION OF THE SALES TAX BY STATUTORY DEFAULT. WHAT THAT ESSENTIALLY MEANS IS JUST LOOKING AT THIS YEAR'S DISTRIBUTION, THE TOTAL DISTRIBUTION FOR THE CLAY -- IF WE WERE TO BE DISTRIBUTING UNDER THE OLD AGREEMENT WOULD BE $21.3 MILLION. BUT DISTRIBUTING IT UNDER THE DEFAULT STATE FORMULA, THEY CAN EXPECT TO GET $24.7 MILLION. SO ABOUT $3.3 MILLION AND IT ADDITIONAL SALES TAX. SO THAT'S AN ADDITIONAL SOURCE THAT YOU WILL HAVE, TOO. AND YOU HAD ASKED EARLIER ALSO ABOUT -- AND THIS IS WHERE WERE THE STARTS KICKING IN, ABOUT THE SPECIFICS OF THOSE ADDITIONAL REVENUE STREAMS THAT YOU WILL HAVE TO DO THAT, TOO. I THINK YOU HAVE -- I THINK LAUREN PASS THIS OUT TO YOU, BUT IF YOU LOOK AT -- IF YOU LOOK DOWN -- YOU CAN SEE OUR INFRASTRUCTURE SALES TAX GOING FORWARD, THAT WAS PREPARED AT A TIME WHEN WE ASSUMED THAT IT WOULD STILL BE THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT DISTRIBUTION. I'M NOT SURE WHAT -- WHICH ONE, SHOW ME? >>> IT'S TWO PERCENT. SO IT WOULD BE THE TWO PERCENT TO 15-YEAR-OLD LOOKS LIKE RIGHT? THIS ONE? YEAH. >>> THAT'S IT. LAST PAGE. SO LAST PAGE OF THE PACKET WAS TWO PERCENT. >>> SO IT -- IF YOU LOOK AT THOSE REVENUE SOURCES, THE FIFTH CENT GAS TAX STARTS OFF TO 3.6 AND $3.7 MILLION A YEAR AND THAT'S ONLY FOR THOSE TRANSPORTATION PROJECTS THAT ARE A PART OF YOUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT ELEMENT OF YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. YOU CAN SEE THAT'S NOT MUCH. ALL OF THESE DEFICIENT ROADS WOULD FALL INTO THAT CATEGORY. BUT YOU'VE GOT HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS WITH THE PROJECTS AND ABOUT $3 MILLION YEAR FOR THIS TO DO THAT. SO WHEN YOU COMBINE THOSE SOURCES, THAT SOME BOND MONEY THAT COULD BE SOMEONE ELSE WHO COULD USE IT SOMEWHERE ELSE AND AS THE COUNTY MANAGER ALLUDED, WHAT WE COULD DO WITH THIS BOND ISSUE THAT WE DID NOT DO LAST TIME, KIND OF A LESSON LEARNED IS FRIDAY, HAVE IT A PART OF THE BOND CONTRACT THAT WE COULD USE ANY SAVINGS FOR ANY OTHER [00:35:03] PROJECT THAT WOULD QUALIFY FOR THE EXPENDITURE OF INFRASTRUCTURE SALES SEARCH -- TAX. THAT WOULD SIPHON SOME OF THOSE BOND PROCEEDS OUT FOR WHAT WE REFER TO AS THOSE BELOW THE LINE, NON-CIE CAPITAL PROJECTS. SO THE SECOND OPTION IS ABOUT $3.7 MILLION YEAR AND THAT THE IMPACT FEES, WE DIDN'T BUDGET ANYTHING GOING FORWARD BECAUSE WE DON'T CURRENTLY UNDERSTAND THE GROWING EFFECTS OF THE IMPACT THE CREDIT AGREEMENTS AND WHAT THAT'S GOING TO DO TO OUR CASH STREAMS. >>> DO WE HAVE CONTROL OVER THOSE CREDIT AGREEMENTS? CAN WE MAKE SURE THE MONEY GETS SPENT ON THE ROADS WE NEED? >>> WILL NO. THE CREDIT AGREEMENT IS USUALLY -- THE DEVELOPER WILL COME IN THEIR AND THEY WILL MAKE YOU A PROPOSAL THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BUILD SOMETHING THAT'S PART OF YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND ARE GOING TO USE THAT -- IS GOING TO BE ASSOCIATED WITH THEIR PROJECT. IT MAY NOT NECESSARILY. >>> YOUR BUILDING ROADS WE DON'T CONSIDER TO BE CRITICAL? >>> SOME OF THEM MAY BE CRITICAL, BUT THE THING TO UNDERSTAND IS IS THAT YOU MAY NOT BE GETTING THE ROAD YOU NEED NOW IN THE PLACE WHERE YOU NEED IT NOW YOU MAY BE GETTING A ROAD THAT YOU NEED LATER IN A PLACE WE DON'T NEED IT NOW. THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN CONTROL BECAUSE ARE GOING TO BUILD A ROAD THAT'S PART OF THEIR PROJECT AND NOT NECESSARILY SOMETHING THAT WOULD. >>> WE DON'T DO THE PROJECT THEN, WHAT HAPPENS THEN? THE PROJECT DOESN'T GET DONE? >>> THAT'S ABOVE MY PAY GRADE. THAT WE DON'T GET MORE TRAFFIC (LAUGHING). >>> THAT'S A CHOICE FOR YOU GUYS WITH THE LAWYERS IMPACT. >>> WE DON'T WANT TO SAY THINGS LIKE THAT BUT THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS, RIGHT? >>> AT ANY RATE, YOU'LL SEE THAT WE DID NOT -- WE DID NOT BUDGET -- BUDGET ANYTHING FOR THE IMPACT FEES GOING FORWARD BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE CASH IN EXCESS OF THOSE CREDIT ARRANGEMENTS IS GOING TO BE. SO -- AND THAT'S GOING TO BE A CONTINUING PROBLEM WITH IMPACT FEES FOR US. YOU'VE GOT THE FEES IN PLACE BUT THE FACT THAT THESE CREDIT AGREEMENTS IS NOT GOING TO -- IS NOT GOING TO MAKE IT CLEAR YEAR-TO-YEAR HOW MUCH CASH WE ARE ACTUALLY GOING TO RECEIVE. >>> BUT THE OPERATIVE THING HERE IS THAT WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SOME OF THOSE ADDITIONAL PROJECTS, UNDERSTANDING THAT THIS DATA WAS PREPARED AT A TIME WHEN WE WERE STILL CONSIDERING DISTRIBUTED THE INFRASTRUCTURE SALES SEARCH TAX BASED ON YOUR LOCAL AGREEMENT INSTEAD OF DEFAULTING TO THE STATUTORY METHOD AND DEFAULTING TO THESE STATUTORY METHOD GIVES ABOUT $3.3 MILLION YEAR TO GET ABOUT 24.3 MILLION OR SO. >>> DOES THAT INCLUDE WHAT'S GOING -- (LOW VOICE). >>> YES. OKAY. QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT. LET'S SEE WE HAD DIRT ROADS. STORMWATER PROJECTS? >>> LAST BUT NOT LEAST WHAT'S [4.  Discussion of Stormwater Projects - (Smith)] FONDEST IN MY HEART IS OUR STORM WATER INFRASTRUCTURE. THESE ARE PROJECTS THAT WE NEED TO REPLACE. WE SAW MOST OF THESE WHAT WE WERE LOOKING AT THIS ABOUT A MONTH OR SO AGO. THESE ARE PROJECTS THAT ARE CRITICAL THAT WE REALLY NEED TO DO AND WE REALLY CAN'T DO REPAIRS OR MAINTENANCE FEES OR COMPLETE REPLACEMENTS OF EXISTING SYSTEMS. BAD JOINTS, MILD -- METAL PIPE SET OF RUSTED THROUGH. >>> SO THIS IS ANOTHER $4 MILLION CAPITAL. >>> FOREIGN HAVE FREE TO CHOOSE FROM. >>> SO WE ARE AT 140 NOW, SOMETHING LIKE THAT? >>> YES OR -- YES BACK YES, SIR. >>> WHAT WE REALLY NEED TO DO IS COME UP WITH SOME BUDGET NUMBERS THAT WE FEEL CONFIDENT ABOUT. ARE WE -- MR. PRICE, ARE YOU WILLING TO BET YOUR JOB ON THESE NUMBERS? >>> SURE (LAUGHING) OKAY. >>> I ASKED AT THE SAME THING WHEN HE WAS UP THERE. >>> (LAUGHING) SO I -- WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IS REAL NUMBERS, TO SEE -- IN THE SENSITIVITY FOR ME IS HOW MUC ACTUAL CASH FLOW DID WE GET TO PUT TOWARD PROJECTS AFTER YOU ARE COMFORTABLE SAYING I NEED SO MUCH EACH YEAR FOR ONGOING SURPRISES AND ALL THE OTHER KINDS OF THINGS WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH. I KNOW WE FIRST GOT TO SAFETY THEN WE GOT THE STATUTORY AND THEN -- CAN WE GET TO THE DISCRETIONARY INCOME COMING IN [00:40:01] AS CAPITAL FUNDS. THAT'S WHAT WE REALLY HAVE TO WORK WITH IT LOOKS LIKE. IF WERE GOING TO BE COMFORTABLE ABOUT THIS, WE CAN ONLY GO UP TO ABOUT HUNDRED 20 THAT YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH? AND SO HAVE SOME MONEY LEFT OVER TO DO THINGS. >>> ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CONCERNS ME ABOUT BONDING IS THAT WE ARE TYING UP FUTURE DECISION-MAKING FOR THE REST OF THE BCC FOR 18 YEARS. THAT'S A LONG TIME. THINGS MAY CHANGE. I DON'T KNOW. BUT I'D LIKE TO SEE SOME FIRM NUMBERS ON STUFF YOU BELIEVE. >>> I KNOW THERE'S ONLY SO MUCH WE CAN DO. THE OTHER ISSUE OF GOD IS TIMING. WHAT IS THE EXPRESSWAY SUPPOSED TO OPEN? IS GOING TO BE 2025 BEFORE THE BRIDGE IS FINISHED I KNOW. THAT'S JUST WHAT THEY'RE SAYING. IT'LL PROBABLY BE A YEAR AND CHANGE BEYOND THAT BASED ON OUR EXPERIENCE WITH THE FIRST PHASE. HOW LONG WOULD IT -- DEAL IF WE TOLD YOU TO GO TODAY, HOW LONG WOULD IT TAKE YOU IF YOU CONTRACTED ALL THIS STUFF OUT TO BUILD THIS. >>> THE TYPICAL EXPRESSION IS FOUR YEARS FROM CONCEPT TO CONCRETE. >>> ALL RIGHT. >>> IS THE URINE DESIGN, YOU'VE GOT RIGHT AWAY AND THEN YOU'VE GOT YOUR CONSTRUCTION. >>> SO, ASSUMING WE GET DESPONDING STUFF IN PLACE AND SAY SIX MONTHS TO A YEAR, WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? WHAT'S THE FEEL FOR THAT? >>> YEAH. AND THE CHIEF ALSO PASSED OUT A TIMELINE AND WE ARE PRETTY MUCH ON THE BONDING TIMELINE THAT'S THERE. I BELIEVE IT WOULD BE MARCH -- APRIL -- APRIL AT THE LATEST ON THAT AND THAT WOULD -- ALL THE STEPS WOULD BE COMPLETED. DALE HAS TALKED ABOUT, IN THE PAST, IF HE COULD ALREADY START DESIGNING THIS, THEN WE WOULD BE ABOUT SIX MONTHS AHEAD OF THE BALLGAME IF WE WERE ABLE TO THIS MONTH, SAY LET'S GO FORWARD WITH THIS. IF NOT, THEN YOU CAN START THE COUNTER AROUND APRIL. >>> WHEN DOES OUR NEW CIP MONEY BECOME AVAILABLE? >>> YEAH. (MULTIPLE SPEAKERS). >>> WE ARTY BUDGETED THIS YEAR. >>> WE HAVE MONEY -- SO WE ARE SHOT FOR THIS YEAR ALREADY, RIGHT. >>> I DO. >>> I'M NOT SURE. (LOW VOICE). >>> OKAY. >>> BUT THAT CARRYFORWARD CAN BE SPENT, WHICH IS CRAZY. FROM THE BOND ISSUE COME HERE. >>> IT TAKES US FIVE YEARS TO BUILD A BROKER GOING TO SPEND MONEY FOR DESIGN HOW DO WE NORMALLY PAY FOR THESE IS IT PROGRESSIVE PAYMENTS OR DO WE PAY AT THE END WE ACCEPTED. >>> THE ROADWAY? >>> YES. >>> THE PROGRESSIVE PAYMENTS STARTING WITH THE ENGINEERING DESIGN. YOU'VE GOT THOSE PAYMENTS. RIGHT AWAY IT DOES NOT COME IN IS ONE LUMP SUM. IT PAYS YOU CLOSE. >>> THERE'S SOME ISSUES WITH THE CASH FLOW AND HOW THAT IS GOING TO RUN AND WHETHER WE NEED THE MONEY AND I DON'T KNOW. DO WE GET THE WHOLE BOND ISSUE STICK IN THE BANK AND COLLECT INTEREST ON IT IS THAT HOW THIS IS DONE. >>> OR DO WE DRAW IT DOWN THROUGH TIME AS WE NEEDED? >>> YOU CAN DRAW DOWN AS YOU NEED IT, WE STUCK IT ON THAT FIRST YEAR WHICH IS A $2 MILLION WITH OF INTEREST PROGRAM PROJECT CAN Ã COMMENCEMENT INITIAL BUILDING. >>> WHAT WE GET FOR INTEREST. >>> TWO PERCENT, THREE PERCENT. >>> THE COMMISSION AUDITOR. HIS SITTING IN A BEACHFRONT PROPERTY. >>> WHAT IS THE STATE BOARD PANKEY. >>> I KNEW YOU WERE GOING TO ASK ME THAT. >>> NEVERMIND. I DON'T LIKE SURPRISES EITHER. SORRY ABOUT THAT QUICKSET LIKE TO SEE SOME DETAILED FINANCIALS ON SOME OF THE STUFF. I GUESS OUR FIRST CONSULTANT THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT IS [00:45:05] SUPPOSED TO GET -- GET THE PLAN TOGETHER AS FAR AS THE FINANCIAL FEASIBILITY AND ALL THAT. IS THAT WHAT HE'S GOING TO DO? HE'S GOING TO ESSENTIALLY PICK YOUR BRAIN TO PUT IT ON PAPER AND SAY IT'S HIS WORK, RIGHT? >>> NOT ONLY JUST ASK US QUESTIONS, THE REVIEW OUR FINANCIAL STATEMENTS, EACH ENTITY IS GOING TO TAKE A THOROUGH LOOK AT HOW WE'VE BEEN OPERATING IN ORDER TO PREDICT THE FUTURE. BUT I THINK -- WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT, WE CAN UPDATE THIS WITH -- MIKE HAS DONE A PHENOMENAL JOB PUTTING IT ON PAPER. WE ARE PROBABLY -- AND I'M SPEAKING FOR MIKE. I THINK WE COULD RUN THIS OUT 10 TO 15 YEARS WHICH YOU HAVE, INITIALLY HERE QUICKLY WE COULD GET SOME GOOD NUMBERS FOR YOU AT LEAST. BUT AGAIN WE ARE TRYING TO PREDICT THE FUTURE AS YOUR PREDICTING REVENUES. MIKE HAS A GOOD PROGRAM TO DO THAT. HE BRIEFED US ON THIS BEFORE. WE HAVE TO REALLY TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION. YOU ARE TRYING TO PREDICT FUTURE REVENUES. >>> AGAINST FUTURE EXPENDITURES WHICH IS WHAT I ULTIMATELY WANT TO GET TO BECAUSE I WILL TELL US HOW MANY PROJECTS WE CAN DO AND WHAT WOULD REALLY MAKE SENSE. RIGHT? >>> YES, SIR. >>> STILL HAD AN IDEA. HE HAD A GOOD IDEA TO KIND OF GET STARTED I HAD A TIME. >>> IF YOU WANTED TO GET JUMPSTARTED CURRENTLY WE HAVE ONE OF THE PROJECTS THAT'S ON THE LIST, 209 AND IT WAS FUNDED FOR ENGINEERING LAST YEAR. WE HELD OFF ON ACQUIRING IT -- AN ENGINEERING CONSULTANT BECAUSE WE HAD A ONE OF THE STATES LISTS FOR FUNDING AND IT HAD BEEN ACCEPTED BY THE STATE. WE HAVE TO ACQUIRE OUR CONSULTANT DIFFERENTLY. WE JUST FOUND OUT THAT THE STATE IS NOT GOING TO FUND 209 SO I GOT THE DESIGN MONEY FROM LAST YEAR, BUT I'VE ALSO GOT IN THIS YEAR'S CIP A LITTLE OVER $2 MILLION, CLOSE TO 3 MILLION IF WE PICKED THREE OR FOUR PROJECTS WE COULD CREATE THE PROJECTS AND MOVE THAT MONEY OVER SO THE MONEY WOULD BE THERE. WE WOULD JUST PUT IT IN FOR DESIGN. SO WE COULD ADVERTISE FOR CONSULTANTS. THE PROCESS IS 3 TO 4 MONTHS BEFORE WE WOULD HAVE A CONSULTANT ON BOARD. AT LEAST WE COULD HAVE A CONSULTANT IN JANUARY BEFORE YOU ACTUALLY START SELLING THE BONDS. >>> IF WE DID IT DESIGN, WE WOULD HAVE A FIRM PRICE ON WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO BUILD CORRECT CHECK. >>> AND WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST, IF YOU POSSIBLY WANTED TO HURRY THE PROCESS UP, TYPICALLY WE DON'T DO FULL-BLOWN PD'S NEEDS AT -- THAT THE STATE OF FEDERAL GOVERNMENT DOES BUT WE WOULD DO IT ON THESE FOUR SO WE COULD DETERMINE OUR RIGHT-OF-WAY NEEDS LOOK AT THE ROADWAYS NOT NECESSARILY PONDS OR EASEMENTS BECAUSE WILL HAVE TO BE SIZED AS YOU GET INTO THE DESIGN BUT WE COULD DO A PD ANY ALONG WITH RIGHT-OF-WAY MAPPING. IF YOU WANTED TO HURRY THE PROCESS ALONG, WE COULD ATTEMPT TO START THE RIGHT AWAY PROCESS EARLIER BECAUSE ONCE WE HAVE OUR CROSS-SECTION, WE WILL HAVE THE ADDITIONAL RIGHT AWAY THAT WE SHOULD NEED. >>> YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE ME CHUCKLE YOU WANT US TO HURRY IT ALONG. >>> (LAUGHING). >>> IT -- IT'S A PROCESS. >>> THAT'S A GREAT IDEA. I'M ON BOARD. >>> OKAY. ANY OTHER ISSUES ON THIS ONE? WE WILL MOVE TO THE CAPITAL PROJECTS LIST. [5.  Discussion of Capitol Projects List - Facilities - (Householder)] >>> ALL RIGHT, SIR. THE LIST YOU SEE IN FRONT OF YOU (LAUGHING) I LIKE TO SHARE YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS TO ASK ME (LAUGHING). >>> I WAS GOING TO ASK IF YOU WANT ME TO GO DOWN THE LIST OR IF YOU WANTED TO GO DOWN THE LIST AND ASK QUESTIONS. >>> OH. >>> THIS WAS THE PROJECT WITH STUFF THAT WE'VE BEEN CARRYING ON THE BOOKS FOR A WHILE. IT'S CALLED A WISH LIST AT THIS POINT FOR FACILITIES IMPROVEMENTS OR NEW BUILDINGS. WE TRIED TO RANK IT AS WHAT WE THOUGHT WAS IMPORTANT. THE NUMBER ONE WAS CONSOLIDATED COMMUNICATIONS FACILITY. THIS WOULD BE EXPANSION AND REMODELING OF THE TOP FLOOR OF THE EEOC TO COMBINE DISPATCH FOR THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE AND OUR FIRE RESCUE. AND SINCE IT WAS ASSOCIATED WITH PUBLIC SAFETY, WE RATED THAT ONE IS NUMBER ONE. >>> THESE ARE RANKED? >>> YES, SIR. TO THE BEST -- I MEAN. >>> YES. I WAS GOING TO ASK FOR THAT, BUT GO AHEAD. >>> ANY QUESTIONS? >>> HAVE TO ASK THE RANKING, WHAT WAS THE CRITERIA. >>> TYPICALLY WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT FACILITIES YOU ADDRESS [00:50:04] PUBLIC SAFETY FIRST AND THEN OPERATIONALLY NECESSARY AND THEN UPGRADES ARE REMODELS WISHES. >>> OKAY. NUMBER TWO GREEN COAT SPRINGS FIRE STATION. THESE COSTS ARE BASED ON CURRENT FIRE STATION COSTS WE HAVE IN THE AREA. AND WHAT WE HAVE IN KEYSTONE. WE ALSO HAVE TO ADD PROPERTY COSTS AND WE ARE IN THE MIDDLE OF TRYING TO GET A APPRAISAL. SINCE WE GET THE CIP TABLES SQUARED AWAY WE CAN PULLEY POD WITH THE APPRAISER. IT'S RELATIVELY CHEAP. >>> 3.5 YOU THINK WILL DO THE WHOLE PROJECT? >>> I BELIEVE IT SHOULD. NUMBER THREE ANIMAL SERVICES WE'VE BEEN HEARING ABOUT THE NEED FOR ANIMAL SHELTER IN THE COUNTY FOUR YEARS NOW IT SEEMS IN THIS ONE WE DO HAVE PROPERTY ON SLEEPY HOLLOW WHICH WOULD BE A NICE CENTRAL LOCATION TO THE COUNTY. >>> $13 MILLION. >>> YES. AT 34,000 SQUARE FEET, YOU CAN PAIR THAT DOWN OR GO UP. WE'VE SEEN SOME THAT WERE BUILT AROUND THE 40,000 SQUARE-FOOT. BUT YOU COULD ALWAYS TREATMENT IF YOU HAVE TO. THAT WAS KIND OF THE ROUND FIGURE THERE. BASED ON THE SQUARE FOOTAGE COST. OF 350 A SQUARE. OKAY. >>> NUMBER FOUR GUN RANGE PROPERTY. WE'VE GOT PERIMETER FENCING IN THERE AT 800,000. (INDISCERNIBLE) PORTION, 2,000,005 IS KIND OF LIKE THE HIGHSIDE IF YOU GIVE THEM EVERYTHING YOU'D LIKE TO SEE THEIR. THIS COULD BE PHASED OUT. YOU COULD PROBABLY GET A QUICK -- A PLACE TO QUALIFY FOR RIGHT AT A MILLION. BUT IF YOU START ADDING CLASSROOM SPACE, CONTROL TOWERS, ADDITIONAL BURNING AND FENCING AND STUFF, THE COST GOES UP. FOR THE INITIAL COST OF A MILLION I THINK YOU CAN GET THE PARKING LOT AND THEY COVERED FIRING LINE AND SOME OF THE BERM AND DRAINAGE THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED TO BE QUALIFIED THERE. >>> ANY CHANCE WE CAN GET A COMBINED USE OF THE FIRST PIEC . >>> I BELIEVE YOU COULD NEGOTIATE A SCHEDULE BASED ON THEIR TRAINING REQUIREMENTS INITIALLY. OF COURSE, WE KNOW THEY WANT THEIR OWN SPACE TO HAVE US AROUND TRAINING AT WILL. QUICKSET LIKE ONE OF MY BACKYARD (LAUGHING). >>> SURE. I HAVE DISCUSSED THAT ON MANY MEETINGS PEOPLE USING IT FOR BOTH. >>> WE COULD FACE THE PROJECT AND CUT IT IN HALF IF WE DO THAT. >>> YES, SIR. >>> ABSOLUTELY. >>> NUMBER FIVE, THE PUBLIC SAFETY TRAINING FACILITY. THIS WILL BE MULTIPURPOSE FOR EXPANDABLE CLASSROOM SPACE FOR CLASSROOM OR PUBLIC SAFETY. YOU HAVE THE FIRE DEPARTMENTS TRAINING ON THE BACK OF A LITTLE BUILDING IN FRONT OF THE FAIRGROUNDS RIGHT NOW. THEY COULD DEFINITELY USE A BETTER TRAINING SPACE. >>> I THINK WE WERE TARGETING THE GUN RANGE PROPERTY FOR THIS BUT WITH ANYTHING OUT THERE, WE HAVE TO CONSIDER THE INFRASTRUCTURE, UTILITIES AND WATER AND ELECTRIC THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO CARRY OUT THERE. THAT FOLLOWS RIGHT INTO NUMBER SIX, FIRE RESCUE TRAINING TOWER. THIS COST WAS DETERMINED BY BASICALLY A PACKAGE DEAL THAT WE'VE SEEN AROUND THE COUNTRY THAT PROVIDES THE BURN BUILDING. IT WOULD BE WATER SUPPLY. YOU CAN'T GO OUT THERE AND SPRAY DOWN A BURNING BUILDING IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE WATER CAPACITY THERE. THEY DON'T HAVE ANY IMMEDIATE PLANS TO BRING THE UTILITIES OUT THERE SO WE BE LOOKING AT A PRETTY GOOD CHUNK OF MONEY TO INSTALL OUR OWN WATER UTILITY SYSTEM THERE THAT WOULD MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THESE DIFFERENT FACILITIES THAT WOULD LIKE TO PUT THEIR. >>> WHERE IS IT GOING? >>> THAT WOULD BE AT THE GUN RANGE PROPERTY AS WELL WAS THE INITIAL IDEA BUT AGAIN, WE HAVE TO CONSIDER WHAT UTILITY AND INFRASTRUCTURE COSTS FOR THESE WOULD BE. >>> AND THAT'S NOT LIKELY TO DEVELOP ANYTIME SOON BECAUSE THAT'S WAY OUT IN THE BOONIES THERE. >>> NO, SIR. >>> OKAY. NUMBER SEVEN LAKE ASBURY REGIONAL SPORTS COMPLEX. THIS IS KEEPING WITH THE LEVEL OF SERVICE OF PROJECTIVE GROWTH BY -- IF WE INTEND TO KEEP IT AT THESE LEVELS WERE GOING TO NEED A SPORTS COMPLEX. THIS WILL BE A CLOVERLEAF BASEBALL FIELD MULTIPURPOSE FIELD CONCESSION TYPE COMPLEX. >>> THE LAST ONE THAT WE SAW PLANNED WAS ONE THAT THEY WERE PLANNING AND OF THUNDERBOLT IN FLEMING ISLAND. THAT COMPLEX WAS THE BEST PLAN [00:55:04] THAT WE SAW THAT HAD THE MULTIPURPOSE FIELDS AND BASKETBALL AND IT WAS IN THE SIX TO $8 BILLION RANGE FOR THE CONSTRUCTION. OF COURSE, HE COULD DO LIKE WE DID YOU COULD START WITH ONE CLOVERLEAF AND HAVE PLANS TO EXPAND LATER. >>> SO WE HAVE THERE IS PLANS, RIGHT? >>> YES, SIR. (LAUGHING). >>> NUMBER EIGHT REGIONAL GOVERNMENT COMPLEX. THIS WAS A BUILDING THAT HAD BEEN DISCUSSED FOR THE BRANDON FIELD AREA TO START OUT WITH THE LIBRARY SPACE AND THEN THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE EXPANSION AS WELL. THE TAX COLLECTORS AND BEAR RUN, WHICH IS A -- BEING OUTGROWN DONE THE SAME THING WITH THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE. THEY HAVE A SUBSTATION NEAR THE BRANDON FIELD AT 21 THAT THERE SPACE IS LIMITED THERE. QUICKSET WE'VE GOT THE PROPERTY IDENTIFIED FOR THAT ALREADY, PRETTY MUCH? I DON'T KNOW IF MR. SMALLWOOD IS READY TO STEP UP ON THAT ON . >>> RIGHT. I WASN'T INVOLVED IN THOSE DISCUSSION BUT MY UNDERSTANDING THERE WAS A MEETING AT ONE TIME TALKING ABOUT THE PROPERTY IS A POSSIBILITY, BUT I'M NOT -- I'M NOT SURE OF THOSE DETAILS. >>> THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT BUILDING. >>> AGAIN, WE HAVE THE PROPERTY ON SLEEPY HOLLOW IT'S A MORE CENTRALLY LOCATED FACILITY. THEY'RE OPERATING OUT OF THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT IS A FAIRLY OLD BUILDING AT THIS POINT. AND IT'S IN SERIOUS NEED OF REROOFING. >>> WE'VE GOT -- WE'VE ASKED THE STATE TO GIVE US A HAND WITH THIS ONE IT SEVERAL TIMES. AND NOTHING REALLY HAS MATERIALIZED, RIGHT? >>> RIGHT. NUMBER 10 MARCUS AND SALUTE THE BOARDWALK IN TOWER $900,000. INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH, HE MET WITH THE CLAY TODAY TO DO AN ARTICLE BECAUSE THEY HEARD MENTIONED AS A LEGISLATIVE REQUEST AND THEY WANTED TO KNOW WHAT THE PLANS WERE. THEY WEREN'T FAMILIAR WITH THE PROPERTY. SO WE EXPLAINED TO THEM THAT IT WAS ACQUIRED THROUGH THE FLORIDA COMMUNITIES TRUST AND HAD A MANAGEMENT PLAN. THE MANAGEMENT PLAN INCLUDED ENVIRONMENTAL EDUCATION CENTERS THAT YOU SEE HERE. MY POINT WAS THAT YOU CAN GO TO THAT PARK AND WALK AROUND BUT YOU CAN'T SEE THE SLOPE. IT'S A PRETTY RARE ENVIRONMENTAL -- AND ECOLOGICAL FEATURE THAT WE HAVE IN THE MARSH. AND IT'S A PRETTY COOL VIEW BUT YOU CAN'T SEE IT BECAUSE THE PINE TREES ARE IN FRONT OF YOU. WE WANTED TO PUT A BOARDWALK THROUGH THERE ANY VIEWING TOWER SUE COULD TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT VIEW. AND THEN LIKE I SAID THE ENVIRONMENTAL EDUCATION CENTER HAD BEEN IN THE MANAGEMENT PLAN FROM DAY ONE TO HOST CLASSES ON ANYTHING WITH THE NATURAL RESOURCES AND THEN WHEN IT WASN'T BEING USED FOR THAT WE COULD UTILIZE IT AS AN EVENT SPACE. >>> WE HAVE RESTROOMS OUT THERE? >>> MAMCO. THAT WAS ANOTHER REASON FOR WANTING THE BUILDING WAS TO GET SOME RESTROOM FACILITIES THERE. I REALLY NEED TO 10 PEOPLE AND EVERY ONE OF THEM STOPPED AND ASKED IF I WAS WITH THE PARKS AND WHAT WE WERE PLANNING TO DO AND THEY WOULD LOVE TO HAVE A BATHROOM. IN THE SAME THING WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO PUT A BOARDWALK OR SOMETHING OUT THERE TO HAVE A NATURE TRAIL OR SOMETHING. >>> WHAT WOULD THE COST BE FOR US TO HAVE PORTAL OUT THERE. >>> JUST ONE. >>> MIL. >>> I WAS CAN ASK THE SAME QUESTION. >>> THIS MADE IT TO THE GOVERNOR'S DESK LAST YEAR HE UNDERSTAND HE GOT BEAT OUT AT THE END. BUT WE PUT IT BACK IN THE REQUEST. >>> NUMBER 11, THE COURT FROM BUILDOUT. IF YOU'VE NEVER BEEN OUT TO THE NEW SIDE OF THE COURTHOUSE, THERE'S AN ENTIRE SIDE OF THAT UNFINISHED. HE WALKED TO THE DOOR AND IT'S RAW WALLS AND NO CEILING. THEY DID A SMART THING AND THINKING ABOUT THE FUTURE THAT WE WOULD HAVE A NEED FOR ADDITIONAL COURT SPACE BUT, THAT WE NEEDS TO STAY IN THE LAST AS A CONSIDERATION. THEY LOOK LIKE THEY'RE GOING TOWARD THAT, YOU KNOW YOU COULD BUILD IT NOW IS BE CHEAPER THAN BUILDING IN THE FUTURE YOU HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL THEY GET THE CALL FOR ADDITIONAL SPACE. >>> THEY DON'T HAVE A NEED THOUGH, YET, DO THEY. >>> RIGHT IN LINE WITH THE COURT FROM BUILDOUT, DECK SPACE IS BEING USED TO STORE DOCUMENTS AND IF WE DID EXPAND -- AND FINISH THAT OUT, WE WOULD NEED TO HAVE A SPACE FOR THE STORAGE THERE. NOT ONLY THAT, WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT CONSOLIDATING [01:00:01] GOODS AND MATERIALS, MAY BE TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF SOME BETTER PRICING TWO BY INVOKING PUT THEM IN A STORAGE BUILDING. WE HAVE A SMALL STORAGE BUILDING BEHIND THE DENTAL CLINIC BY THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT HERE, IT'S A VERY OLD FACILITY. IT'S NOT AIR-CONDITIONED. WE HAVE FURNITURE AND STUFF STORED IN THERE BUT AS IT MOVES THROUGH DISPOSAL OR REUSE, BUT JUST LIKE YOUR HOUSE, YOU NEVER HAVE ENOUGH CLOSET OR STORAGE SPACE AND WE DON'T HAVE ANY KIND OF CONSOLIDATED STORAGE THE COUNTY. >>> ARE WE RETAINING RECORDS OF HARD COPY. >>> THERE ARE STILL SOME. YOU HAVE TO TALK TO THE IT FOLKS AND WHOEVER WAS IN CHARGE OF RECORDS DISPOSAL OR HANDLING TO TALK ABOUT WHAT THE FUTURE NEEDS TO BE. WHAT YOU CAN GO ELECTRONIC WITH AND HOW THAT WOULD BE STORED. >>> LAYERS FINANCIAL IN COURT DOCUMENTS AND EVERYTHING ELSE. YOU CAN IMAGINE IT'S STACKED UP ON SHELVES OVER THERE. IT'S TAKING UP A LOT OF SPACE. NUMBER 13 THE VETERANS OUTREACH RESOURCES CENTER. I DON'T HAVE ANY DETAILS ON THAT ONE. I SAW IT ON THE LEGISLATIVE PRIORITIES LIST. SO I ADDED IT TO MINE. >>> AM NOT FAMILIAR WITH THAT ONE. >>> AND LASTLY ON MY LIST IS FAIRGROUNDS AND FIRE IMPROVEMENTS. WE ARE APPLYING FOR GRANTS FOR THESE THINGS WITH THE FAIRGROUNDS MASTER PLAN. WE HAVE ONE COMING TO THE RESTROOM IN THE KITCHENS ON THE BACK OF THE EXHIBITION BUILDING, BUT THERE'S ANOTHER ONE TO START DOING THE BARN IMPROVEMENTS IN KEEPING WITH THE MASTER PLAN WE DID NOT -- WERE GOING TO MOVE ONE OF THE BARNS IN THE FRONT TOWARD THE REAR AND REDO THE ENTRANCE THERE. >>> BUT YOU'RE DOING IT TOWARD THE PLAN WE ARE JUST CHIPPING AWAY. >>> YES, SIR. >>> THAT'S GOOD. THAT'S ALL I HAD ON MY LIST. >>> IS A BE LIKE -- THIS WOULD BE A 10 YEAR PLAN? IS THERE WERE LOOKING AT HERE? >>> EASILY. >>> OKAY. DOES THE INTO THEM. ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT I DO HAVE A QUESTION, BUT I NOTICE TO 50 SQUARE-FOOT WAS ROUGHLY THE NUMBER YOU USED? >>> FOR. >>> FOR LIKE THE COMMUNICATION CENTER. >>> IT HAD BEEN A LITTLE HIGHER LIKE ANIMAL SERVICES, TYPE OF CONSTRUCTION IS CLOSER TO 350. LIBRARIES IN COURTROOM STUFF IS 450 OR BETTER. IT'S BECAUSE OF THE UNIQUENESS OF THE FURNISHINGS. >>> THAT WAS MY QUESTION. DOES THAT INCLUDE FURNISHINGS? >>> YES. TYPICAL OFFICE SPACE MIGHT RUN AROUND 250 FOR -- BUT WHEN IT'S NOT THE QUANTITY OF THEM, IS THE QUALITY AND TYPE IS THE FURNISHINGS FOR LIBRARY SHELVING IS A UNIQUE THING IN COURTROOM BENCHES AND SEATS ARE EXPENSIVE THE PRICE GOES UP. >>> OKAY. NONATTORNEY, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO ADD. >>> YES. I'M SORRY BUT IT WAS DELETED FROM THE AGENDA. >>> I TAKE THE HIT ON THAT. WE CHECKED IT AGAIN AND IT DID NOT GET ON THEIR I APOLOGIZE. >>> THAT'S OKAY. IT'S ON THE BOARD AGEND FOLLOWING THIS MEETING AS WELL. IF YOU RECALL IN CONNECTION WITH THE ACCEPTANCE OF ROADS FOR MAINTENANCE FOR SUBDIVISIONS, THE BOARD HAD STARTED A POLICY OF ACCEPTING THEM, BUT CONTINGENT ON SETTING UP SOME FORM OF FUNDING FOR THE MAINTENANCE. SO NOW IS THE TIME FRAME IN CONNECTION WITH THAT MSB YOU TO SET UP FOR THE SUBDIVISION AND WE HAVE TO PROCEED FORWARD BECAUSE WE HAVE TO HAVE THE NOTICE OF RESOLUTION IF THE COURT DETERMINES TO MOVE FORWARD. THAT MEANS IT HAS TO BE PASSED AT YOUR DECEMBER MEETING. SO WE WILL BRING IT UP FOR THE BOARD MEETING IF THEY WISH TO MOVE FORWARD ON IT. >>> THAT'S GOOD. HOWARD, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING? YES IT. JUST PENDING ANY QUESTIONS HOPEFULLY THIS WOULD MAKE SOME LOGIC AND SENSE ON WHAT WE ADDRESS AND MAKE SURE WE UNDERSTOOD WE WERE COMING FROM AND WE CAN MAKE SOME FUTURE DECISIONS BASED UPON THIS. >>> I THINK THAT IF WE SUMS -- SEE SOME FINANCIALS TO SHOW THAT IS FEASIBLE AND THE TIMING IS FITTED EVERYTHING -- AND THEN, THE MAP OF THE -- ALL OF THE PROJECTS, IS THAT PRODUCED IT? >>> YES, SIR. IT'S RIGHT NEXT TO TERESA. WE HAVE A PDF A WEEKEND SEND THAT. >>> GIVES AT ALL THE [01:05:01] COMMISSIONERS. >>> WILL MAKE SURE THAT'S OUT THERE IF YOU'D LIKE A COPY ALSO. >>> HOW MANY COPIES TO HYATT PLACE SHE WE CAN WRITE HARDCOPIES. IT WILL DO ANOTHER BUS TRIP MAY BE TO GO OUT AND LOOK AT EACH PROJECT. >>> SURE. WE DID THAT WITH SOME OF THE ROAD PROGRAMS AND THAT REALLY HELPED KIND OF KICK THE TIRES AND ALL THAT STUFF. >>> OKAY. I'LL OPEN UP ANOTHER PUBLIC COMMENT ANYBODY GOT ANY -- ANYTHING TO ADD? >>> * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.