Nov 10, 2025 BCC Agenda

[CALL TO ORDER]

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>> ALL RIGHT. IT IS JUST AFTER 4:00, SO WE WILL GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED. COMMISSIONER BURKE WILL LEAD US IN OUR INVOCATION

IF YOU WILL STAND. >> PLEASE PRAY WITH ME. DEAR LORD, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS DAY. THANK YOU FOR OUR BEAUTIFUL CLAY COUNTY. PRAY THAT YOU WILL BE WITH ALL OF US TONIGHT AND GET US ALL HOME SAFELY TONIGHT. PLEASE BE WITH OUR STAFF. WE THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THEM. WE JUST PRAY THAT YOU WILL TAKE CARE OF THEM WITH ALL THE WORK THEY DO AND GIVE THEM GUIDANCE.

PLEASE BE WITH OUR VETERANS. WE ARE SO THANKFUL FOR THEM.

LOOKING FORWARD TO CELEBRATING THEM THIS WEEK. I PRAY THAT YOU WILL ALSO BE WITH ALL OF OUR FIRST RESPONDERS, LAW ENFORCEMENT. ALL THOSE THAT HAVE LOST LOVED ONES AND ALSO PRAY THAT YOU WILL PUT A HEDGE OF PROTECTION AROUND OUR COUNTY AND AROUND OUR PEOPLE. AND HELP US TO MAKE THE BEST DECISIONS WE POSSIBLY CAN TONIGHT. THANK YOU AGAIN FOR YOUR SON . WE PRAY IN YOUR NAME , IN JESUS' NAME , AMEN.

>> WELL, TODAY AS YOU KNOW WE ALWAYS HAVE OUR VETERAN LED PLEDGE. WE HAVE -- WORD GOT OUT, CLEARLY, FROM OUR PEOPLE HERE THAT WE MOVED OUR MEETING BECAUSE OF VETERANS DAY TOMORROW BECAUSE WE ARE CELEBRATING OUR VETERANS ALL MONTH LONG , BUT TOMORROW IS THE DAY, SO WE HAVE VERY SPECIAL VETERAN LED PLEDGE TODAY. ONE OF OUR EMPLOYEES, LIEUTENANT COMMANDER CALEB RISINGER . COMMANDER RISINGER HONORABLY SERVED 20 YEARS IN THE UNITED STATES NAVY WITH ASSIGNMENTS ACROSS THE GLOBE AND NATION. A HIGHLY DECORATED VETERAN, HIS COMMENDATIONS INCLUDE THE NATIONAL DEFENSE SERVICE MEDAL, AFGHANISTAN CAMPAIGN MEDAL, IRAQ CAMPAIGN NO METAL BRIDGE GLOBAL WAR ON TERRORISM EXPERT JERRY -- EXPEDITIONARY MEDAL. FOLLOWING IN THE FOOTSTEPS OF HIS FATHER, GRANDFATHER, AND UNCLE, RISINGER JOINED THE MILITARY TO CONTINUE HIS FAMILY'S PROUD SERVICE.

THROUGHOUT HIS CAREER HE EMBRACED THE IMPORTANCE OF TEAMWORK , DETAILED PLANNING AND REALISTIC TRAINING. LESSONS THAT DEFINED HIS LEADERSHIP. AMONG HIS MEMORABLE EXPERIENCES WAS SUPPORTING TECHNICAL UNITS IN THEATER AND HAVING THE PRIVILEGE OF LEADING EXCEPTIONAL MEN AND WOMEN IN UNIFORM EACH DAY. SINCE RETIRING IN 2019, RISINGER HAS CONTINUED HIS DEDICATION TO PUBLIC SERVICE. CURRENTLY HE WORKS HERE WITH US . HE IS OUR REAL ESTATE AND LAND CONSERVATION MANAGER. THANK YOU, CALEB , FOR YOUR SERVICE TO OUR COUNTRY, YOUR SERVICE TO OUR COMMUNITY AND OUR COUNTY. WE REALLY APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT YOU DO. LEAD US IN THE PLEDGE AND FEEL FREE TO SAY A FEW

WORDS. >> I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND

JUSTICE FOR ALL. >> YEAH. YOU WANT TO GRAB THE

MIC ? >> I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME THIS PRIVILEGE. THIS PRIVILEGE TO SERVE FOR MANY YEARS. LIKE I SAID -- EXCEPTIONAL MEN AND WOMEN EVERY DAY. I'M PROUD TO BE PART OF THE TEAM HERE AND THE STAFF AT THE COUNTY. ALSO AN EXCEPTIONAL TEAM OF MEN AND WOMEN. LOOK FORWARD TO MANY YEARS. THANK YOU.

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>> I WILL NOW CALL TO ORDER THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS

[PET ADOPTIONS]

ADOPTIONS. >> FIRST WE HAVE GRAYSON , DOMESTIC SHORTHAIR, EIGHT YEARS OLD, AND WEIGHS 13 POUNDS.

LOOKING FOR HIS RAY OF SUNSHINE . AT EIGHT YEARS OLD, GRAYSON HAS PERFECTED THE ART OF COZY LIVING . QUIET NAPS, SOFT CUDDLES, AND ENDLESS AFFECTION. HE IS ON A MISSION TO FIND SOMEONE TO SHARE HIS SUNSHINE WITH AND CALL HIS OWN. COME MEET THE CAT WHO WILL MELT YOUR HEART AND STEAL YOUR SPOT ON THE COUCH IN THE SWEETEST WAY POSSIBLE. NEXT WE HAVE SAM, A NEUTERED MALE. MIXED BREED. WEIGHS 71 POUNDS. HE'S GOT A PLAYFUL SPARK THAT WILL KEEP YOU ON YOUR TOES WHETHER IT IS A GAME OF FETCH, ZOOM AROUND THE YARD, OR GOOFY ANTICS THAT MAKES YOU

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PRINCESS IS A PLAYFUL, AFFECTIONATE, AND CONFIDENT GIRL WHO LOVES TOYS, CUDDLES, AND ROUGH AND TUMBLE FUN . WHILE WORKING ON HER CANINE GOOD CITIZEN'S SKILLS AND OUR PRISON DOG PROGRAM, SHE SHOWED SHE PLAYS WELL WITH OTHER DOGS WHEN INTRODUCED PROPERLY. SMART, TRAINABLE, FULL OF ENERGY, SHE IS READY FOR AN ACTIVE HOME THAT CAN CHANNEL ENTHUSIASM AND FOCUSED ADVENTURES. READY TO BE -- MEET YOUR NEW BEST FRIEND? ANIMALS ARE READY TO ADD EXTRA LOVE AND FUN TO YOUR LIFE. WE'VE GOT THE PERFECT COMPANION JUST FOR YOU. WANT TO SEE WHO IS AVAILABLE? HEAD OVER TO OUR WEBSITE AND MEET OUR ADORABLE CREW LOOKING FOR THEIR FOREVER HOMES. IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, DROP US A LINE AT CLAY ADOPTIONS AT CLAY COUNTY GOD.COM . DON'T WAIT. YOUR NEW BEST FRIEND IS JUST A CLICK AWAY. KITTENS ARE ALWAYS IN NEED OF FOSTER HOMES . AND THEIR SIBLINGS. THEY ARE LOOKING FOR A FOSTER HOME WHERE THEY CAN GROW, RECEIVE SOCIALIZATION, AND GET THE CARE THEY NEED UNTIL THEY ARE READY FOR ADOPTION. COULD YOU PROVIDE DUSK AND ONE OF HER SIBLINGS A LOVING TEMPORARY HOME ? IF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN HELPING OUR FURRY FRIENDS BUT YOU CANNOT BRING ONE HOME, PLEASE TAKE A LOOK AT OUR AMAZON WISH LIST. WE ARE ALWAYS IN NEED OF ITEMS FOR THE SHELTER ANIMALS. JUST GO TO AMAZON.COM. AND THAT COMPLETES

OUR PET ADOPTIONS. >> WONDERFUL. ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE THREE PROCLAMATIONS. IF MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS WOULD JOIN ME DOWN FRONT.

[1.  National Adoption Month (November 2025)]

>> THE PROCLAMATION READS, WHEREAS IT IS PARAMOUNT THAT FLORIDA'S CHILDREN AND FAMILIES HAVE THE OPPORTUNITIES NECESSARY TO REACH THEIR FULL POTENTIAL AND LEAD HAPPY AND HEALTHY LIVES, ENSURING THEY CAN HAVE A BRIGHT FUTURE, AND WHEREAS EVERY CHILD DESERVES A LOVING, SUPPORTIVE , AND PERMANENT FAMILY, AND ADOPTION PROVIDES A LIFE-CHANGING OPPORTUNITY FOR BOTH THE CHILD AND THEIR ADOPTIVE FAMILY WHILE STRENGTHENING LOCAL COMMUNITIES, AND WHEREAS, AN INDIVIDUAL WITH THE CAPACITY FOR LIFELONG COMMITMENT, THE ABILITY TO LOVE, AND THE MEANS TO PROVIDE A CHILD MAY SERVE AS AN ADOPTIVE PARENT.

AND WHEREAS WHILE 58 CLAY COUNTY CHILDREN FOUND FOREVER HOMES DURING FISCAL YEAR 2024 TO 2025, 19 CHILDREN, INCLUDING MANY SIBLING GROUPS WHO WISH TO GROW UP TOGETHER ARE CURRENTLY IN FOSTER CARE AWAITING LOVE, PERMANENT FAMILIES, AND WHEREAS, MANY OLDER YOUTHS IN FOSTER CARE STRUGGLE TO FIND A PERMANENT FAMILY AND BELIEVE THEY ARE TOO OLD TO BE ADOPTED, DESPITE THEIR DEEP DESIRE FOR THE SENSE OF BELONGING THAT ADOPTIVE PARENTS CAN OFFER , AND WHEREAS, NATIONAL ADOPTION MONTH IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPREAD AWARENESS ON BEHALF OF THE CHILDREN IN OUR COMMUNITY , AND FINDING FAMILIES FOR EVERY WAITING CHILD IN CLAY

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LIKE TO SHARE? >>

>> I'M ACTUALLY HERE FOR MY WIFE HEATHER AND OUR DAUGHTER ALLIE -- UNFORTUNATELY MOM AND GIRL ARE AT HOME RIGHT NOW SICK, SO THEY WERE UNABLE TO BE HERE. GREAT DAY FOR OUR FAMILY. THIS IS ACTUALLY MY BIRTHDAY. NO BETTER WAY TO BE SPENT THAN HAVING THIS ON MY BIRTHDAY. JUST A GREAT DAY. WE MET ALLIE IN FEBRUARY AND BY MARCH , APRIL, SHE WAS ALREADY AT HOME. THERE WAS JUST A QUICK BOND. GOD REALLY BLESSED US. IT HAS BEEN TRULY A MIRACLE COMING FROM LOSING A CHILD AT BIRTH TO HAVING ALLIE IN OUR HOME NOW, FULL CIRCLE , HAS JUST BEEN A

BLESSING AND A MIRACLE. >>

>> WE APPRECIATE THE COMMISSIONERS . WE APPRECIATE THE COMMUNITY. WE WORK REALLY HARD TO GET THESE ADOPTIONS DONE BETWEEN KIDS FIRST OF FLORIDA AND CAMELOT WORKING TOGETHER. SO IF YOU'RE INTERESTED, PLEASE CONTACT US. WE ARE ALWAYS LOOKING FOR FAMILIES TO HELP TAKE THESE KIDS AND ADOPT THEM OR PROVIDE FOSTER REPLACEMENTS FOR US. DO ANY OF YOU GUYS WITH CAMELOT WANT TO SPEAK? YOU CAN CONTACT US AT OUR WEBSITE .

RIGHT NOW OUR PHONES ARE DOWN. WE JUST MOVED. WE USED TO BE ON KINGSLEY AVENUE. NOW WE HAVE MOVED . WE WILL HAVE AN OPEN HOUSE. SO WE WILL PUT IT OUT ON OUR WEBSITE SINCE YOU CAN COME VISIT US AT OUR NEW PLACE. FOR NOW, THE WEBSITE WOULD BE A GREAT WAY TO CONTACT US. WE ALSO HAVE A FACEBOOK PAGE. WE WILL GET MORE INFORMATION OUT AS WELL.

>> ALL RIGHT. WE WANT TO GET A PICTURE. COME RIGHT HERE IN THE

MIDDLE. >> JUST HANG IT .

>> I WILL MOVE IT OUT OF THE WAY.

[2.  National Hospice and Palliative Care Month (November 2025)]

>> ALL RIGHT. OUR NEXT PROCLAMATION IS FOR NATIONAL HOSPICE AND PALLIATIVE CARE MONTH . WE ARE JOINED BY REPRESENTATIVES FROM HAVEN HOSPICE AND PALLIATIVE CARE TO HELP RAISE AWARENESS IN OUR COMMUNITY IF YOU WILL COME ON UP FRONT. COMMISSIONER RENNINGER IS GOING TO READ OUR PROCLAMATION AND THEN WE WOULD SURELY LIKE TO HEAR A LITTLE INTRODUCTION AND WHAT YOU HAVE FOR THE COMMUNITY. SPIN-UP WELL, THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME PRESENT THIS PROCLAMATION . WHEREAS, HOSPICE AND PALLIATIVE CARE PROFESSIONALS, VOLUNTEERS, AND ORGANIZATIONS THROUGHOUT OUR COMMUNITY AND NATION DEDICATE THEMSELVES TO PROVIDING COMPASSIONATE, HIGH QUALITY CARE TO THOSE FACING LIFE LIMITING ILLNESSES , AND WHEREAS, HAVEN HOSPICE AND PALLIATIVE CARE HAS BEEN SERVING ADVANCED ILLNESS NEEDS IN NORTH FLORIDA SINCE 1979, PROVIDING COMFORT AND DIGNITY TO THOUSANDS, ALLOWING THEM TO LIVE THEIR LAST MONTHS, WEEKS, OR DAYS COMFORTABLY WITH THE PEOPLE THEY LOVE, AND WHEREAS HAVEN HOSPICE AND PALLIATIVE CARE UTILIZES AN INTERDISCIPLINARY TEAM ORIENTED APPROACH TO TREATMENT, INCLUDING EXPERT MEDICAL CARE, QUALITY SYMPTOM CONTROL, AND COMPETENCE OF PAIN MANAGEMENT AS A FOUNDATION OF CARE, AND WHEREAS NATIONAL HOSPICE AND PALLIATIVE CARE MONTH OFFERS AN OPPORTUNITY TO RAISE PUBLIC AWARENESS ABOUT THE BENEFITS OF HOSPICE AND PALLIATIVE CARE, ENSURING ALL CITIZENS HAVE ACCESS TO ESSENTIAL SERVICES WHEN THEY NEED THE MOST. AND WHEREAS, CLAY COUNTY RECOGNIZES THE SELFLESSNESS AND DEDICATION OF THE NURSES , PHYSICIANS, SOCIAL WORKERS, SPIRITUAL COUNSELORS , THERAPISTS, AND VOLUNTEERS WHO PROVIDE THE ESSENTIAL CARE WITH UNWAVERING COMMITMENT, PARTICULARLY DURING THIS MONTH OF REMEMBRANCE AND REFLECTION. NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED

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ALL THOSE IN FAVOR. AYE. PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. THANK YOU VERY

MUCH. IT IS DONE. >> WILL, FIRST, WE AT HAVEN WANT TO THANK THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS FOR ALLOWING US TO BE HERE. NATIONAL HOSPICE AND PALLIATIVE CARE MONTH WAS FIRST DECLARED IN 1978. THE GOAL OF IT WAS TO RAISE AWARENESS ABOUT THE OPTIONS OUR CITIZENS HAVE FOR END-OF-LIFE CARE . A COUPLE OF THINGS I WOULD LIKE TO SAY IS MOST PEOPLE WHEN THEY THINK ABOUT HOSPICE THEY THINK ABOUT THE LAST FEW DAYS OF LIFE.

REALLY, OUR GOAL IS TO RAISE AWARENESS ABOUT HOW WE CAN WALK THIS JOURNEY WITH THOSE THAT ARE FACING LIFE LIMITING ILLNESSES FOR A LOT LONGER. WE WOULD LOVE TO BE THERE NOT ONLY IN THE LAST DAYS BUT THE LAST WEEKS, THE LAST MONTHS, AND EVEN THE LAST FEW YEARS WITH OUR PALLIATIVE CARE SERVICES. MOST PEOPLE THINK OF HOSPICE AS A PLACE. WE ARE ACTUALLY A SERVICE. WE MENTIONED A LITTLE BIT EARLIER ABOUT OUR TEAM . OUR TEAM CONSISTS OF NURSES, CNAS, SOCIAL WORKERS, CHAPLAINS, VOLUNTEERS, WHICH IS HOW HOSPICE ACTUALLY STARTED, AND OUR GOAL IS REALLY TO SAY, HOW CAN WE KEEP YOU AT HOME FOR THE TIME YOU WANT TO BE HOME? AND HOW CAN WE REALLY HELP TO IMPROVE THE QUALITY OF LIFE AT A TIME WHEN YOU NEED IT THE MOST? SO ANYBODY THAT REALLY NEEDS SOME ADDITIONAL ASSISTANCE WHEN THEY ARE FACING A LIFE LIMITING ILLNESS CAN DO SO BY CALLING ONE 800 HOSPICE AND REACH US ON HER WEBSITE AT HAVEN HOSPICE.COM. BUT OUR WARD REALLY GET SOME HELP. DON'T DO THIS ALONE. OUR TEAM IS HERE TO HELP WHENEVER THE TIME IS. THANK YOU AGAIN FOR ALLOWING US TO BE HERE TO RAISE

AWARENESS. >>

>> WE WANT TO GET A PICTURE.

>> MY ASTHMA HAS BEEN BAD, SO I APOLOGIZE THAT I AM SINUSY AND

[3.  Farm City Week (November 19-26, 2025)]

COMMISSIONER SGROMOLO IS GOING TO READ OUR PROCLAMATION. IS NO ONE HERE, JUST YOU. YOU ARE THE ONLY ONE? I WAS GOING TO SAY.

FORMER COMMISSIONER NEVER MISSES AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET THE MICROPHONE . ALL RIGHT. WELL, HERE WE GO.

>> ALL RIGHT. THE PROCLAMATION READS, WHEREAS, FLORIDA FARMERS AND RANCHERS FEED THE WORLD WITH NUTRITIOUS FOODS , RELYING ON ESSENTIAL SUPPLY-CHAIN PARTNERSHIPS WITH URBAN AND SUBURBAN COMMUNITIES FOR SOURCING, SELLING, AND GLOBAL DELIVERY. AND WHEREAS, FARMERS AND RANCHERS PROTECT THE ENVIRONMENT BY PRESERVING FRESHWATER AREAS , WILDLIFE HABITAT, AND GREEN SPACE. IN TURN, CONSUMERS SUPPORT THESE CONSERVATION EFFORTS IN PURCHASING FLORIDA'S AGRICULTURAL PRODUCTS , AND WHEREAS, DURING NATIONAL FARM-CITY WEEK , WE RECOGNIZE THE IMPORTANCE OF THIS COOPERATIVE NETWORK. AGRICULTURE AND RELATED ENTERPRISES EMPLOY NEARLY 2.5 MILLION WORKERS , INCLUDING FARMERS AND RANCHERS , SHIPPERS, PROCESSORS, MARKETERS AND RETAILERS, INSPECTORS, AND OTHERS WHO HELP CONTRIBUTE TO AN ANNUAL IMPACT OF $387.4 BILLION TO FLORIDA'S ECONOMY , AND WHEREAS, FARM CITY WEEK ACTIVITIES CELEBRATE THE MUTUALLY BENEFICIAL RELATIONSHIPS THAT SUPPORT THIS QUALITY OF LIFE WE ALL ENJOY, AND THIS WEEK AS WE GATHER WITH FAMILY AND FRIENDS AROUND THE THANKSGIVING TABLE, WE COUNT THESE RELATIONSHIPS AMONG OUR MANY BLESSINGS, AND WHEREAS, CLAY COUNTY COMMENDS THE MANY FLORIDIANS WHOSE HARD WORK AND INGENUITY PROVIDE US WITH FOOD ABUNDANCE AND REFLECT THE TRUE SPIRIT OF OUR STATE AND NATION.

NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED THAT THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS, CLAY COUNTY, FLORIDA, DOES HEREBY PROCLAIM

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>> ENVIRONMENTAL HORTICULTURE AND INTERIM COUNTY EXTENSION DIRECTOR FOR CLAY COUNTY EXTENSION. JUST WANTED TO SAY EVEN WITH THE CHANGES WE'RE SEEING IN THE COUNTY, FARMERS ARE STILL ONE OF THE KEYSTONES OF OUR COMMUNITIES, WHETHER PINE TREES, CATTLE, TOURISM, OR NURSERIES. SO I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT -- AND UNIVERSITY BASICALLY ANY EDUCATIONAL INFORMATION FOR FARMERS, RESIDENTS

>> DECLARATION THAT I WILL READ IN A MINUTE, BUT BEFORE WE GO BACK UP TO THE DAIS, WE WANTED TO JUST TAKE A MINUTE AS MYSELF AND MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS WANT TO TAKE A MINUTE TO RECOGNIZE WE HAVE HAD TWO NEW JUDGE APPOINTEES IN CLAY COUNTY GRID AND WE ARE GRATEFUL FOR THEM AND OUR PARTNERSHIP WITH THEM. WE WANTED TO INTRODUCE YOU TO THEM. ONE OF THEM IS VERY FAMILIAR TO YOU. SHE HAS BEEN OUR COUNTY JUDGE FOR A WHILE -- FOR QUITE A WHILE. BUT WE WANTED TO RECOGNIZE THAT JUDGE CHRISTINA MOBLEY HAS BEEN APPOINTED TO BE A JUDGE ON THE FOURTH JUDICIAL CIRCUIT COURT BENCH. SO WE WENT TO RECOGNIZE HER. SO IF YOU WILL COME ON UP, WE WANT TO SAY CONGRATULATIONS.

>> THAT -- AND YOU WOULD THINK THAT THIS WOULD BE BECAUSE JUDGE MOBLEY WAS PROMOTED, BUT THAT IS NOT WHY IT IS. SO CLAY COUNTY IS GROWING ENOUGH THAT WE HAD AN ADDITIONAL JUDGE ON THE CIRCUIT COURT BENCH AND SHE HAS FILLED THAT ROLE. WE ARE ALSO GETTING A NEW COUNTY JUDGE. SO WE WANTED TO RECOGNIZE THAT OUR NEW COUNTY JUDGE IS HECTOR GARCIA -- I BUTCHERED THAT.

>> BUSTOS. AND JUDGE WAS SWORN IN LAST WEEK SO HE COULD GET RIGHT TO WORK. HE WILL BE ACTUALLY HAVING INVESTITURE IN THE EARLY PART OF 2026, BUT WE WANTED TO SHARE OUR CONGRATULATIONS WITH YOU AS WELL AND HONOR YOU . AND THEN AT SOME POINT I IMAGINE THERE WILL BE A NEW COUNTY JUDGE APPOINTED BECAUSE THAT IS THE WAY THIS WORKS. SO WE JUST WANT TO WELCOME YOU. WE HAVE BEEN FRIENDS WITH YOU FOR A WHILE. HE HAS BEEN WITH THE STATE ATTORNEY'S OFFICE HERE. APPOINTED TO CLAY COUNTY. WE APPRECIATE THE WORK BOTH OF YOU DO. WE WANT TO SHARE OUR DEEPEST CONGRATULATIONS AND RICK DENIES YOU -- RECOGNIZE YOU FOR THE

PUBLIC. >>

[4.  Native American Heritage Month (November 2025)]

>> AND FINALLY, WE DO HAVE A DECLARATION. SO THE MONTH OF NOVEMBER IS NATIVE AMERICAN HERITAGE MONTH . WE WANT TO

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[Presentation of Outgoing Chair from the NEFRC to Commissioner Renninger]

>> YES. THANK YOU SO MUCH. I'M THE CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER OF THE NORTHEAST FLORIDA REGIONAL COUNCIL. CERTAINLY IS MY HONOR AND PRIVILEGE TO BE HERE TO SAY THANK YOU TO COMMISSIONER RENNINGER FOR HIS SERVICE. IN OUR BOARD, WE REPRESENT SEVEN COUNTIES ACROSS FLORIDA AND THERE IS A ROTATING PRESIDENCY THAT GOES AROUND . AND KNOWING ALL THAT YOU ALL DO WITH PUBLIC SERVICE, BEING ON THE REGIONAL COUNCIL BOARD IS THE THIRD, FOURTH, FIFTH JOB THAT YOU HAVE EVERY SINGLE DAY AS LEADERS, BUT YOU ALL ENGAGE SO TREMENDOUSLY , AND YOU TOOK LEADERSHIP ROLE SO WILLINGLY AND IT WAS A PLEASURE FOR THAT YEAR . I WOULD LOVE TO POINT OUT THAT WE KICKED OFF ONE OF OUR LARGEST FEDERAL GRANTS, THE MILITARY INSTALLATION READINESS REVIEW. COULD NOT HAVE BEEN MORE FITTING TO DO SO UNDER COMMISSIONER RENNINGER. AND HE STILL KIND OF SERVES AS OUR DE FACTO LEADER GRANT FOR THAT PART PROJECT. EXCITED FOR WHAT IT WILL LEAD TO FOR NORTHEAST FLORIDA. CERTAINLY ON BEHALF OF YOUR COLLEAGUES, OUR BOARD OF DIRECTORS, AND STAFF, AND CERTAINLY MYSELF, IT HAS BEEN A PLEASURE TO WORK WITH YOU FOR THE LAST YEAR. I HAD BREAKFAST WITH HIM THIS MORNING AT THE MILITARY APPRECIATION BREAKFAST.

YOU ARE NOT RID OF US. WE WILL STILL SEE YOU EVERY MONTH. YOU JUST DON'T GET TO SIT AT THE FRONT OF THE TABLE AND BANGED THE GAVEL. WE APPRECIATE YOUR SERVICE AND ALL YOU DID FOR US.

>> ABILITY TO SERVE NOT ONLY CLAY COUNTY BUT A WHOLE REGION . AND IT IS ONE OF THE RULES I LEARNED IN MY LIFE IS IF YOU WANT TO GO FAST, GO BY YOURSELF. BUT IF YOU WANT TO GO FAR, GO WITH YOUR NEIGHBORS. SO REGIONAL COUNCIL LIKE BETH SAID IS SEVEN DIFFERENT COUNTIES. PRESIDENT OF NORTHEAST FLORIDA LEAGUE OF CITIES. THAT IS 400 CITIES AND MUNICIPALITIES IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA. SO I LEARNED A LONG TIME AGO THAT PROBLEMS DON'T STOP AT THE BORDER. THEY TRANSCEND A MUCH LARGER AREA. SO I WANT TO THANK THE REGIONAL COUNCIL FOR GIVING ME THE OPPORTUNITY TO HELP YOU MOVE THAT FOOTBALL DOWN THE FIELD.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> YOU'RE WELCOME.

>> GET THE PRIVILEGE OF SERVING WITH HIM ON THAT BOARD . AND COMMISSIONER RENNINGER IS A CONSUMMATE PROFESSIONAL. SO CONGRATULATIONS. I BET YOU WON'T LEAVE YOUR STUFF BEHIND.

>>

[Clay EDC Update (C. Powell)]

>> IT IS A HEAVY PAPERWEIGHT. >> YEAH. AND THEN WE HAVE OUR CLAY EDC UPDATE. CRAWFORD POWELL IS HERE ALONG WITH SOME FRIENDS.

I SEE YOU BROUGHT BACK UP . ANDRE WALLACE.

>> SIGNIFICANT REINFORCEMENTS. GOOD EVENING . IF YOU WILL JOIN ME, PLEASE. HEY, I THINK ANDRE HAS A BRIEF PRESENTATION. AND MINE WILL BE EVEN BRIEFER AFTER HIS. I WILL TURN THE MIC TO

ANDRE. >> GOOD AFTERNOON, EVERYONE.

THANK YOU FOR GIVING US SOME TIME TO TALK WITH YOU TODAY.

IT'S ALWAYS A PLEASURE TO TALK ABOUT THE GREAT THINGS THAT ARE ACTUALLY GOING ON THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE NORTHEAST FLORIDA REGION FROM AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STANDPOINT. AND I WILL BE BRIEF WITH YOU. I DO HAVE A REPORT TO PASS OUT TO MOTHER. SORRY. AN EXTRA JOB FOR YOU, SIR. THIS IS AN ANNUAL REPORT THAT GOES TO ALL SEVEN COUNTIES IN NORTHEAST FLORIDA WITH REGARDS TO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FROM A MARKETING PERSPECTIVE. WANT YOU TO

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IT IS UNACCEPTABLE FOR SOMEONE TO GO THROUGH K-12 AND NOT HAVE A CAREER PATHWAY ONCE THEY GET OUT I DID NOT SAY THEY HAVE TO GO TO THE UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA. WHAT YOU DO NEED TO MAKE SURE IS THAT YOU GET SKILLS THAT YOU NEED TO GET INTO THIS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ECOSYSTEM OF THIS ENTIRE REGION BECAUSE THERE ARE MEANINGFUL GAINFUL EMPLOYMENT JOBS THAT ARE ON THE SITE OF EARN UP.ORG THAT THESE INDIVIDUALS CAN GET INTO AND HAVE A CAREER AND WORK DIRECTLY HERE IN THE FIRST COAST OF NORTHEAST FLORIDA ITSELF SOON TO BE SURE THERE'S MORE JOBS IN CLAY COUNTY. WE RECOGNIZE BETTER THAN 60% OF PEOPLE DRIVE OUTSIDE OF CLAY COUNTY FOR JOBS. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE AND WORK WITH CRAWFORD THAT THERE'S MORE JOBS THAT COME HERE TO CLAY COUNTY.

SO WE APPRECIATE THE PARTNERSHIP WITH CLAY COUNTY GOVERNMENT AND CLAY UDC. IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE FOR ME, I WOULD BE HAPPY TO ANSWER THOSE RESPECTIVE QUESTIONS, BUT I DON'T WANT TO TAKE TOO MUCH OF CRAWFORD'S TIME. BUT I WANT YOU TO KNOW WE ARE AT JACKS USA WORK HARD FOR THIS RESPECTIVE REGION , WHETHER IT IS DOMESTICALLY OR INTERNATIONALLY, TO BRING JOBS TO THIS ENTIRE REGION SO THAT EVERYONE HAS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR MEANINGFUL, GAINFUL EMPLOYMENT, AND MORE IMPORTANTLY, PUT FOOD

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ON THE TABLE. >> DOES ANYONE HAVE QUESTIONS ?

>> ANDRE, I DON'T HAVE A QUESTION, BUT I HAVE A COMMENT.

WHEN JEB BUSH WAS GOVERNOR, HE HAD AN INITIATIVE SUCH THAT EVERY FIFTH-GRADER WOULD IDENTIFY A CAREER . AND IT WAS LAUGHED AT. RON LITTLE -- EDITORIALIST AND I REMEMBER DISTINCTLY RIPPING THE GOVERNOR APART. HE SAID, IF I HAD SPECIFIED MAJOR WHEN I WAS A FIFTH GRADER , I WOULD HAVE BEEN A COWBOY. OKAY? BUT WHAT JEB NEVER ENUNCIATED IS, YOU DON'T HAVE TO KEEP THAT PROFESSION. AND WE BOTH WORKED COMMUNITY COLLEGES GRID I CAN'T TELL YOU THE NUMBER OF STUDENTS THAT HAVE SHOWED UP AT THE COMMUNITY COLLEGE. I WOULD ASK THEM, WHAT DO YOU WANT TO DO? I DON'T KNOW. YOU THINK ABOUT THAT IF SOMEBODY CAN FOCUS AT A VERY YOUNG AGE AS OPPOSED TO A YOUNG ADULT HOW MUCH FURTHER ALONG THEY WOULD BE. I DON'T KNOW. I JUST LEAVE YOU WITH THAT COMMENT. I STILL IF I HAD A MAGIC WAND, I WOULD DO IT TODAY.

>> ABSOLUTELY. >>

>> THAT IS WHAT WE ARE DOING AT JACKS USA AND THE CONVERSATIONS WITH ALL OF THE SEVEN SCHOOL DISTRICTS. LISTEN, WHETHER WE LIKE IT OR NOT, WE ARE -- THE KIDS AND OUR GRANDKIDS HAVE GROWN UP -- MORE TOOLS AT THEIR DISPOSAL. SO IF YOU'RE KIDS ARE MASTERING VIDEO GAMES , THEY CAN BEGIN TO UNDERSTAND SOME OF THE THINGS THAT THEY NEED TO KNOW ONCE THEY DECIDE WHAT CAREER PATHWAY . AND THESE KIDS ARE MASTERING VIDEO GAMES . SO IF THEY ARE MASTERING VIDEO GAMES, YOU CAN START PUTTING INFORMATION INTO THEM TO HELP GUIDE THEM ALONG THE WAY. YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. JUST BECAUSE I CHOOSE TO DO X AS A SEVENTH GRADER DOESN'T MEAN THAT'S WHAT I'M GOING TO DO IN EIGHTH GRADE. BUT IF YOU START PUTTING THE DIFFERENT SKILLS IN THEIR EARLY ON IN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, THESE KIDS HAVE A BETTER BACKGROUND AND FOUNDATION SO WHEN THEY DO DECIDE WHAT CAREER PATHWAY, THEY CAN MOVE STEADFAST IN THAT PARTICULAR DIRECTION. SO WE ARE HAVING THOSE CONVERSATIONS BECAUSE IF YOU'RE NOT, YOU ARE BEHIND. TRUST ME. FROM AN INTERNATIONAL PERSPECTIVE , WE SEE OTHER COUNTRIES WHERE THEIR KIDS ARE MUCH MORE ADVANCED INTO WHAT CAREER PATHWAYS YOU WANT TO GO IN BECAUSE THEY ARE HAVING THOSE AUTHORIZATIONS AT AN EARLY AGE.

>> THANK YOU. >> COMMISSIONER COMPERE.

>> MR. WALLACE, HOW ARE YOU? INC. YOU FOR COMING. MY QUESTION THROUGH THE CHAIR , MAYBE THIS IS HYPERTECHNICAL, BUT I'M CURIOUS TO KNOW HOW OR WHAT FIELDS YOUNG PEOPLE ARE BEING ENCOURAGED TO GO INTO AS THEY ARE NOW HAVING TO COMPETE WITH ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE. I'M THINKING ABOUT AMAZON HAVING CUT OFF -- I THINK IT WAS 30,000 JOBS REPORT WAS LAST COUPLE WEEKS AGO . SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT IS TOO GRANULAR, BUT I'M CURIOUS, HOW ARE WE SHIPPING THE MINDS OF THE YOUNG ONES ?

>> I THINK IT IS A GRANULAR CONVERSATION. LET ME TELL YOU WHAT THE ECOSYSTEM OF THIS REGION IS IN TERMS OF THE JOBS THAT COME HERE. FOCUSING AND ADVANCING MANUFACTURING, WHICH IS PRODUCTION OF A PRODUCT. THAT IS ONE OF OUR KEY INDUSTRIES THAT WE FOCUS UPON. THE SECOND ONE IS TRANSPORTATION AND LOGISTICS. YOU ARE AMERICA'S LOGISTICS CENTER RIGHT HERE. YOU WANT TO KNOW WHY? BECAUSE YOU CAN REACH 100 MILLION CONSUMERS FROM JACKSONVILLE WITHIN 24 HOURS VIA TRUCKING OR VIA RAIL.

AND JACK'S PORT IS THE LEAST CONGESTED PORT ON THE COAST.

THIRD, FINANCIAL SERVICES. FINANCIAL SERVICES CROSSES A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT THINGS. IT CAN BE PRIVATE BANKING, WEALTH MANAGEMENT. IT CAN BE BACK OFFICE. BUT THE TECHNOLOGY SIDE FROM FENN TECH IS HUGE IN THIS REGION. FIS HANDLES 2 TRILLION IN PAYMENT PROCESSING. WHAT DOES THAT MEAN ? IF YOU BUY YOUR COFFEE AT STARBUCKS , THAT IS PAYMENT PROCESS. SO WE ARE ENCOURAGING THAT IN THIS REGION AS WELL . THAT IS ONE OF THE REASONS WE ARE ENCOURAGING UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA TO COME IN AND CREATE MASTERS DEGREE PROGRAMS IN ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE AS WELL AS CYBER SECURITY. SO THAT IS THE THIRD INDUSTRY. ALL OF YOUR LIFE SCIENCES. HEALTH TECH, ET CETERA. TECHNOLOGY SERVICES, WHICH CUTS ACROSS ALL THE OTHER FOUR FIELDS THAT I TALKED ABOUT. CORPORATE RELATIONS. GETTING CORPORATE OFFICES TO MOVE IN. SO WE ARE MAKING SURE THAT OUR CHILDREN UNDERSTAND THOSE RESPECTIVE JOBS AS WELL. BUT LET'S NOT STOP THERE . THE TRADES. THE TRADES ARE HUGE.

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SO FROM A COMPANY PERSPECTIVE, HOW DO I GET THE PRODUCT -- HOW DO I GET A SUPPLY CHAIN GOING IF WE DON'T HAVE THE TALENT AND LABOR TO DO SO SO THEY ARE TURNING TO ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE . HOWEVER, ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE WILL NOT REPLACE YOUR JOB HOLISTICALLY. THE THING ABOUT ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE IS IF YOU UNDERSTAND ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE, YOU BECOME THAT MUCH MORE MARKETABLE. AND THAT IS THE CONVERSATION THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE IN K-12 IS HOW TO UNDERSTAND THE TOOLS THAT IS THERE BEFORE THEM TO UTILIZE IT AND BE THAT MUCH MORE EFFECTIVE IN WHAT YOU DO DAY TODAY. THOSE KIDS THAT UNDERSTAND THAT HAVE A GREATER PATHWAY. LET ME TELL YOU ON THE TRADES THERE IS NO ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE THAT I KNOW OF THAT IS GOING TO SAVE ME FROM PLUMBING. SAVE ME FROM

ELECTRICAL WORK . >> YET.

>> MY WIFE DOES NOT WANT ME DOING ANY OF THOSE TWO THINGS WHATSOEVER. WE NEED THEM IN THE TRADES.

>> THANK YOU. >> YOU'RE WELCOME.

>> THANKS FOR COMING DOWN TO CLAY. IT IS GOOD TO SEE YOU AGAIN. THIS IS OBVIOUSLY WHAT YOU DO EVERY DAY. YOU GET TO MEET A LOT OF PEOPLE AND HAVE A GREAT PERSPECTIVE. SO I THINK ABOUT THE GROWTH THAT WE CONTINUE TO SEE IN NORTHEAST FLORIDA. THE BELTWAY, THE EVER BANK STADIUM RENOVATION IS GOING TO BE A HUGE ECONOMIC DRIVER FOR THE REGION. AND THEN ALSO OUR STATES PRO-BUSINESS ENVIRONMENT AND ALSO QUALITY-OF-LIFE ENVIRONMENT THAT PEOPLE WANT TO MOVE TO FLORIDA. OF THOSE AND MAYBE SOME MORE THAT YOU KNOW, WHICH FACTORS DO YOU THINK ARE GOING TO DRIVE GROWTH THE FASTEST IN TERMS OF MAYBE UPON A COMPLETION YOU ARE LIKE, WHEN THIS HAPPENS, THE TOOTHPASTE IS

OUT OF THE JAR ? >> SURE. THE GROWTH IS GOING TO BE DRIVEN BY THE ABILITY FOR A BUSINESS TO BECOME OPERATIONAL THE QUICKEST. THAT IS THE THING. SO IF YOU HAVE FASTTRACK PERMITTING THAT ALLOWS FOR COMPANIES TO GET OPERATIONAL FAST, THEY ARE GOING TO GRAVITATE TOWARDS THAT. IF YOU HAVE THE SPACE FOR THEM , NOT ALL COMPANIES WANT 200,000 SQUARE FEET OF SPACE. BUT IF YOU ARE IN THAT SWEET SPOT OF 25 TO 75,000 SQUARE FEET OF WAREHOUSING SPACE, THAT ALLOWS FOR COMPANIES TO COME IN AND THEN GROW INTO LARGER SPACES FROM THAT STANDPOINT. BUT THAT PRO-BUSINESS MIND-SET -- CUTTING THE RED TAPE -- THAT IS WHERE COMPANIES ARE GOING TO GRAVITATE TOWARD. A WELCOMING ENVIRONMENT IS WHAT IT IS SAYING TO THE COMPANY ITSELF. AND WHEN A COMPANY LOOKS AT IT FROM THE EMPLOYEE SIDE, WHAT DOES THE EMPLOYEE LOOK AT? THEY ARE LOOKING AT THE ABILITY TO HAVE FROM A PUBLIC SAFETY STANDPOINT -- THE COMMUNITY IS SAFE. AND SCHOOLS ARE GOOD. YOU HAVE A SCHOOL DISTRICT IN THE TOP 15. I COMPETE AGAINST TAMPA. I COMPETE AGAINST ORLANDO AND OTHER PLACES. THOSE REGIONS CANNOT SAY THEY'VE GOT THREE SCHOOL DISTRICTS IN THE TOP 15 IN THE ENTIRE STATE. WE SAY THAT. WE SAY THAT TO THE COMPANIES WE ARE RECRUITING. WE SAY THAT TO THE EMPLOYEES OF THOSE RESPECTIVE COMPANIES. THAT IS WHY THAT 120 PEOPLE A DAY LIVES HERE BECAUSE THEY WANT TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF WHAT WE TAKE FOR GRANTED. THEY WANT TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF WHAT WE TAKE FOR GRANTED. NEVER

FORGET THAT. >> 100%. I THINK WE CHECK A LOT OF THOSE BOXES, WHICH IS SUPER EXCITING. ONE OF THE DATA POINTS I HAVE HEARD IN THE PAST COUPLE OF MONTHS BECAUSE THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO LEAVE CLAY COUNTY TO WORK ARE REALLY HIGH AND THAT IS ONE THING I HOPE OVER THE NEXT COUPLE YEARS WE CAN BRING THAT BUSINESS HERE SO FOLKS CAN WORK AND SPEND MONEY IN OUR COUNTY.

SO THANK YOU. >> ANYTHING ELSE?

>> SURE. >> OFF OF COMMISSIONER SGROMOLO'S QUESTION, YOU SHARED THAT FASTTRACK PERMITTING TO BECOME OPERATIONAL THE QUICKEST . ARE YOU SEEING ANY INDUSTRY IN PARTICULAR THAT HAS BOTTLENECKING IN THEIR

PERMITTING PROCESS? >> EVERY COUNTY IS DIFFERENT. SO MY COMMENT IS GENERIC FOR ALL SEVEN COUNTIES. I'M NOT SAYING YOU HAVE A BOTTLENECK, BUT I'M SAYING THE FOLLOWING, THAT IS SOMETHING COMPANIES DO TAKE A LOOK AT. HOW QUICK CAN I GET MY

PERMITS AND BECOME OPERATIONAL? >> OKAY. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU, ANDRE. I JUST WANT TO RECOGNIZE YOU HAVE DR. ANNA

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RESPECT HER. SO THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE THIS AFTERNOON.

>> I'VE KNOWN HER EVEN LONGER. >> ALL RIGHT.

>> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONERS , FOR THAT TIME. ALSO THANK YOU TO ANDRE AND HIS TEAM AT JACKS USA . WE COULD NOT DO AS A REGION -- WE CANNOT DO AS A COUNTY WHAT THEY ARE ABLE TO DO AS A REGION.

WE COULD NOT SPEND ENOUGH MONEY TO MARKET . WE COULD NOT SPEND ENOUGH MONEY TO TRAVEL. WE CANNOT SPEND ENOUGH MONEY TO DO A LOT OF THINGS THEY DO. SO I GREATLY APPRECIATE THE VALUE THAT OUR INVESTMENT WITH THEM MAKES A DIFFERENCE FOR US. I DID WANT TO SHARE JUST A COUPLE OF QUICK SLIDES. AND IF I GET REALLY LUCKY , THIS WORKS. THERE IT IS. IT HELPS -- MOST OF YOU ARE AWARE THIS IS I KO . THIS IS A LARGE ROOFING SHINGLE MANUFACTURING FACILITY THAT IS WAY OUT IN THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF THE COUNTY ON THE CORNER OF 218 AND 301 . JUST SO YOU ARE AWARE, THIS IS WHAT $250 MILLION LOOKS LIKE . SO THAT IS WHAT THEY HAVE INVESTED TO DATE INTO CLAY COUNTY . THEY ARE NOW IN THEIR INITIAL HIRING PHASES. WE TALKED ABOUT OPPORTUNITIES. THEY ARE LOOKING FOR THE BRIGHTEST AND BEST . ABOVE AVERAGE PAY SCALE. ABOVE AVERAGE PACKAGE GO WITH THEIR EMPLOYEES. THEY EXPECT A LOT BUT THEY REWARD WELL. SO THIS IS PHASE ONE AS YOU GUYS KNOW . THERE WERE TWO MORE PHASES, POSSIBLY EVEN MORE THREE MORE PHASES THAT WILL BE FOLLOWING THIS. THEY HOPE TO BE OPERATIONAL. THEY WOULD LIKE TO BE OPERATIONAL BY YEAR END IF NOT BY Q1 OF NEXT YEAR. THEY WILL START MOVING PRODUCT IN AND OUT OF THEIR PRAYER SO THAT HAS BEEN A GREAT PROJECT FOR US.

ANOTHER ANGLE ON THAT ONE. ANOTHER ANGLE ON THAT ONE. THIS IS NIAGARA, WHICH MOST OF YOU ALSO ARE AWARE OF . ANDRE TALKED ABOUT JOBS AND OPPORTUNITY. NIAGARA INITIALLY CAME TO THE COUNTY AND THEY COMMITTED TO ABOUT $90 MILLION AND ABOUT 80 EMPLOYEES . THEY ARE CURRENTLY AT ABOUT $230 MILLION CAPITAL INVESTMENT AND THEY ARE AT 100 AND ALMOST 90 EMPLOYEES TODAY .

THEY EXPECT THAT TO CONTINUE . THEY'VE GOT A COUPLE MORE PRODUCTION LINES THEY WILL BRING IN AND THEY THINK THEIR EMPLOYMENT LEVEL WILL CAP OUT AT ABOUT 250 EMPLOYEES AT THIS FACILITY . THOSE ARE THE TYPES OF OPPORTUNITIES THAT CREATE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE PEOPLE AND FOR THE FAMILIES. AND THEY ARE SUBSTANTIAL AND THEY ARE LONG-LASTING AND THEY HAVE GREAT RETIREMENT AND GREAT BENEFITS AND THEY CREATE A LIFETIME OF EMPLOYMENT OPPORTUNITY FOR THOSE THAT WANT TO WORK IN A FACILITY LIKE THAT. THAT JUST AS A REFERENCE POINT FOR THOSE IN THE AUDIENCE, THAT IS MANUFACTURING. THAT IS WHAT MANUFACTURING LOOKS LIKE TODAY IN A LOT OF LOCATIONS. I'M NOT GOING TO TELL YOU IT IS CLIMATE CONTROLLED INSIDE , BUT IT IS PROBABLY ABOUT 80 DEGREES INSIDE AT THE MOST. AND SO YEAR-ROUND PRODUCTION EQUIPMENT CONTINUALLY, BUT WHEN ANDRE TALKED ABOUT NEW JOBS AND NEW TECHNOLOGY, THAT IS WHAT MANUFACTURING LOOKS LIKE TODAY A LOT OF TIMES. THOUGHT I PUT SOME MORE IN THERE. THAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN IT. I JUST WANTED TO BE KIND OF SHORT AND SWEET. BUT THAT GIVES YOU AN IDEA OF SOME OF THE LARGER PROJECTS . WE ALSO HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL PROJECTS AS YOU KNOW THAT WE HAVE BEEN TALKING TO. THE FIRST COAST EXPRESSWAY COMING ONLINE WILL MAKE A TREMENDOUS DIFFERENCE IN ACCESSIBILITY FOR TRANSPORTATION IN THE COMMUNITY. AND WE ARE LOOKING FORWARD TO Q1 OF NEXT YEAR AND HOPE WE HAVE SOME PRETTY GOOD INTERESTING ANNOUNCEMENTS FOR THE TEAM . ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS ON OUR BEHALF AT THE MOMENT?

>> WHAT IS A RED STRUCTURE? >> METAL FRAMING .

>> YEAH. THEY FILLED IT ALL IN. THEY ARE NOT IN CHRONOLOGICAL ORDER. THAT IS JUST THE STRUCTURE FOR THE SHOOTING -- THE OUTER SKIN OF THE BUILDING. THE ROOFING WOULD COME ON TOP OF THAT. THE METAL SIDING DOWN THE SIDE. YES. THEY ARE NOT IN CHRONOLOGICAL SEQUENCE OF THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE BUILDING.

I'M GLAD THAT WAS EASY. THANK YOU.

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>> THANK YOU. YOU GUYS HAVE A GREAT EVENING. WE APPRECIATE

YOU. >> YEAH. THANK YOU.

>> EXCUSE ME. >> I LOOKED AROUND THE ROOM AND

[CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICERS]

>> MADAM CHAIR, REAL QUICK, POINT A PRIVILEGE. I WOULD LIKE TO WELCOME SOME GUESTS WE HAVE TODAY IN THE AUDIENCE. DR.

HALSEY AND HER TEAM WITH THE CLAY COUNTY ALUMNAE CHAPTER OF DELTA SIGMA THETA SORORITY IS JOINING OUR MEETING TODAY. WE WOULD LIKE TO WELCOME THEM AND APPRECIATE THEIR DEDICATION TO GETTING BACK TO CLAY COUNTY THROUGH THEIR VARIOUS COMMUNITY SERVICE OPPORTUNITIES. WELCOME TO THE COMMISSION CHAMBERS.

>> JUST A SECOND, WE WILL RECOGNIZE YOU BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND ONE OF YOUR DAUGHTERS WAS A COMMISSIONER FOR A DAY . IS THAT TRUE? YEAH. JUST COME ON UP.

AND YOU WANTED -- YOU HAD SUBMITTED A CARD TO INTRODUCE YOURSELF . SO JUST GO AHEAD AND DO THAT BEFORE WE GET TO PUBLIC

COMMENT. >> SURE. GOOD AFTERNOON, GOOD EVENING. THANK YOU FOR HAVING US HERE TODAY AND THIS OPPORTUNITY.

MY NAME IS TIANA MCCALL WIMBERLY AND I'M THE PRESIDENT OF THE CLAY COUNTY, FLORIDA CHAPTER OF -- WE ARE A NEWLY CHARTERED CHAPTER HERE IN CLAY COUNTY THAT CHARTERED ON APRIL 26 OF 2024, SO WE HAVE BEEN HERE JUST A YEAR AND WE HAVE BEEN VERY, VERY BUSY ENGAGING IN OUR FIVE-POINT PROGRAMMATIC THRUST HERE IN THE COUNTY AND WE ARE EXCITED TO PARTNER WITH OTHER LOCAL SERVICE ORGANIZATIONS LIKE OURSELVES. OUR FIVE-POINT PROGRAMMATIC THRUST INCLUDES EDUCATIONAL DEVELOPMENT, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, POLITICAL AWARENESS AND INVOLVEMENT, PHYSICAL AND MENTAL HEALTH, AND SOCIAL ACTION. SO WE HAVE BEEN WORKING AS I MENTIONED TO GET TO KNOW EVERYONE ELSE'S DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS AND PARTNER COLLABORATE ON THE THINGS WE'RE DOING HERE IN THE COMMUNITY. ONE OF THE THINGS WE ARE VERY EXCITED TO SHARE TODAY IS THAT WE ARE STARTING A SCHOLARSHIP PROGRAM FOR HIGH SCHOOL SENIORS FOR HIGH SCHOOLS STUDENTS HERE IN THE CLAY COUNTY AREA. SO THAT APPLICATION WILL BE AVAILABLE ON OUR WEBSITE. WE HOPE TO GET LOTS OF APPLICATIONS THAT WE CAN CONTRIBUTE AND MAKE SURE THAT OUR HIGH SCHOOL SEEMS TO HAVE OPPORTUNITIES TO FURTHER EDUCATION. TODAY WE HAVE SOME OF OUR MEMBERS HERE WITH US AND DR. HALSEY WAS THE ONE WHOSE DAUGHTER WAS COMMISSIONER FOR A DAY.

>> THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY. THANK YOU,

COMMISSIONER JOHN . >> THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR COMING IN. WE APPRECIATE THAT PARTNERSHIP AND RELATIONSHIP. IT WAS A GREAT PROGRAM THAT COMMISSIONER SGROMOLO STARTED.

WE APPRECIATE ALL YOUR DOING IN OUR COMMUNITY AS WELL, SO THANK

YOU FOR BEING HERE. >> IN QUEUE.

[APPROVAL OF MINUTES]

>> OF THE MINUTES. I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION .

>> I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE BOARD OF COUNTY

COMMISSIONERS MEETING MINUTES . >> SECOND.

>> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?

[PUBLIC COMMENTS]

>> THOSE OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES, 5-0. IT IS NOT 5:00 YET, SOME GOING TO MOVE TO OUR FIRST PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD .

THIS PORTION OF THE AGENDA IS DESIGNED TO ALLOW CITIZENS AN OPPORTUNITY TO BRING MATTERS TO THE ATTENTION OF THE BOARD. AT THIS TIME, BOARD WILL NOT ENGAGE IN DEBATE OR ANSWER QUESTIONS YOU MAY EMAIL ASK CLAY AT CLAY COUNTY GOD -- GOV.COM. PUBLIC COMMENT CARDS ARE CONVENIENTLY PLACED AT THE MEETING ROOM ENTRANCE AND SHOULD BE SUBMITTED TO THE CLERK ON THE FAR LEFT OF THE DAIS. YOU ARE LIMITED IN YOUR COMMENTS TO THREE MINUTES.

BEFORE ADDRESSING THE BOARD, WE ASK THAT YOU STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. AND I WOULD NOW LIKE TO OPEN THE FIRST PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD. I WILL START IN THE ORDER THAT I WAS HANDED THESE CARDS. MONDAYS MUST BE A GOOD DAY FOR US. OR MAYBE IT IS JUST TOPICS PEOPLE HAVE ON THEIR MIND. WE HAVE A LOT OF THEM. SO OUR FIRST PUBLIC COMMENT IS FROM DESIREE ALLEN.

>> MY NAME IS DESIREE ALLEN. I RESIDE IN FLEMING ISLAND, FLORIDA , JUST DOWN THE STREET. I WOULD LIKE TO INITIALLY ASK

FOR AN ADDITIONAL 19 SECONDS . >> IF YOU WILL PULL THAT DOWN SO WE CAN HEAR YOU A LITTLE BIT BETTER. I WILL ASK THAT YOU KEEP

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>> OKAY. THANK YOU. I'M HERE ABOUT THE CHANGE OF THE ROAD TO CHARLIE KIRK ROAD. STREET -- WHATEVER IT IS GOING TO BE. MY COMMENTS ARE MANY PEOPLE HAVE BEEN PLACED ON DISPLAY HERE IN CLAY COUNTY. I HAVE BEEN HERE MOST OF MY LIFE. I HAVE RAISED MY CHILDREN HERE AND FIVE CHILDREN THAT BELONG TO OTHER PEOPLE. INDIVIDUALS WITH CENTERED PURPOSE TO DO GOOD FOR ALL THE PEOPLE, NOT JUST BLACK, NOT JUST WHITE, BUT BROWN, LIGHT BROWN, DARK BROWN , YELLOWISH, AND ALL COLORS AND CULTURES.

NOW, YES, THE WORLD HAS CHANGED , AND THOUGH IT SHOULD HAVE CHANGED FOR THE BEST, IT HASN'T. THERE ARE DRUGS , THERE ARE MEDS, MEDICAL ILLNESSES AND PLAIN OLD HATE IN OUR COUNTRY AND OUR WORLD RIGHT NOW . NOW, WE HAVE BEEN GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO SOMETHING GOOD THAT MEANS SOMETHING TO EVERYBODY . BUT IT APPEARS THAT IT IS IN CONSIDERATION WITH OUR LOCAL GOVERNMENT HAS DECIDED TO TAKE WHAT HAS BEEN MADE EVIL AND PUT IT ON DISPLAY FOR THE WHOLE WORLD TO SEE AS THEY RUN A RACE IN THIS COMMUNITY FOR GOOD FOR OUR KIDS -- OUR COMMUNITY , THE PEOPLE THAT WANT TO MOVE IN AS THE GENTLEMAN STATED -- THE BIBLE SPEAKS OF DIVISORS . LOOK IT UP WHEN YOU GET HOME. IT IS IN TITUS. SUCH INDIVIDUALS WE ARE ATTEMPTING TO NAME A ROAD AFTER . ONE THAT PEOPLE DRIVING DOWN COLLEGE DRIVE COMING FROM BLANDING WILL EASILY SEE AND BE ABLE TO PLACE AND WHAT MAY BE A DISPERSION PLACE FOR US AT THIS TIME. OUR MENTAL HEALTH HAS CHANGED . THE DRUGS HAVE BECOME CRAZY . AND JUST PLAIN OLD UNLAWFULNESS HAS INCREASED AND IS OUT OF CONTROL. IT HAS TAKEN OVER OUR SCHOOLS, OUR NEIGHBORHOODS , OUR CHURCHES, OUR CHILDREN ARE HAVING TO BE SUBJECTED TO HOMELESSNESS , ABUSE, AND BEING MEDICATED INSTEAD OF LOVED INTO A GOOD MENTAL AND PHYSICAL HEALTH. OUR LOCAL GOVERNMENT NOW SEEMINGLY HAS NOT READ OR GLANCED AT THE DIRECTION GIVEN BY THE BIBLE .

RABBLE-ROUSERS SHOULD BE PLACED IN A SPECIAL PLACE. AND THAT IS AWAY FROM , NOT PUT ON DISPLAY IN OUR COMMUNITY. I DON'T KNOW CHARLIE KIRK. I DON'T KNOW THINGS ABOUT HIS PERSONAL LIFE, BUT I KNOW WHAT HE DID . AND I KNOW THAT IT IS NOT GOOD FOR US TO BE ABLE TO HAVE TO CHANGE A STREET WHERE WE HAVE PEOPLE LIKE ROBERT , THE PRESIDENT OF ST. JOHN THEN RIVER COMMUNITY COLLEGE ALONG WITH MY MOTHER , ANNIE LEE KEYES, AND MS. CATHERINE WHITE OF ORANGE PARK . IF YOU WANT TO NAME SOMETHING, NAME IT AFTER THE PEOPLE WHO CONTRIBUTED AND DID GREAT THINGS AND NEW OUR COMMUNITY. IF YOU ALL GET TO KNOW OUR COMMUNITY OTHER THAN JUST , YOU'LL FIND SOME NAMES AND SOME PEOPLE WHO ARE WORTHY OF THE NAME OF ANY ROAD. JUST TAKE A LOOK AROUND YOU AND GET TO KNOW THE PEOPLE THAT YOU SHOULD BE KNOWING. AND WE WON'T DO SOMETHING LIKE THIS. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU, MS. ALLEN. I SAID THANK YOU. I'M SORRY. EXCUSE ME. OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS SCOTT SLATER .

>> I PROBABLY DON'T NEED THAT REAL CLOSE . I'M SCOTT SLATER, CURRENT PRESIDENT OF SAVE OUR LAKES ORGANIZATION. I WOULD LIKE TO RECOGNIZE HERE WITH ME , FORMER PRESIDENT FOR 15 PLUS YEARS AND MOST OF YOU ARE AWARE OF THE EFFORTS THAT SAVE OUR LAKES HAS PUT INTO RESTORING THE LAKES IN THE SOUTHERN PART OF CLAY COUNTY AND KEYSTONE HEIGHTS AREA. MY GOAL IS TO FILL HER TINY SHOES , WHICH IS NOT REALLY EASY TO DO. THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONTRIBUTIONS . I AM HERE TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF AGENDA ITEM NUMBER NINE , AND THAT IS THE APPROPRIATIONS FOR THE RESTORATION OF LAKES IN KEYSTONE HEIGHTS. I'M HERE TO ENCOURAGE YOU TO APPROVE THAT. IT IS PART OF THE SEQUENCE OF GETTING OUR LAKES BACK TO FULL NAVIGABLE RESOURCES THAT CAN BE USED BY ALL OF CLAY COUNTY . I WANT TO GIVE THANKS TO ALL. I'M NOT

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>> THANKS, SCOTT. APPRECIATE YOU. OUR NEXT COMMENT IS FROM CHRIS.

>> GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS CHRIS. I'M A RETIRED NAVAL OFFICER IN CLAY COUNTY. RESIDENT SINCE 2006. I RESIDE IN COMMISSIONER BURKE'S DISTRICT IN -- FIRST I WOULD LIKE TO COMMEND THE BOARD AND EACH COMMISSIONER FOR ALL THAT YOU DO DURING THIS UNPRECEDENTED GROWTH AND EXPANSION THROUGHOUT CLAY COUNTY . I KNOW EVERY DAY IS NOT EASY BUT THE WORK THAT HAS BEEN DONE IS APPRECIATED BY MYSELF AND MY FAMILY AS WE GROW COUNTYWIDE. CLAY CONTINUES TO HAVE GREAT PEOPLE COMING IN THAT GIVE OUR COMMUNITY THAT SMALL TOWN FEEL AND APPEAL. SO THANK YOU. I MENTIONED THE NAVY EARLIER BECAUSE DURING MY 30-YEAR TENURE, WE ADOPTED A PROGRAM CALLED ORM, WHICH STANDS FOR OPERATIONAL RISK MANAGEMENT. IN A NUTSHELL, IT IS A SYSTEMATIC PROCESS DESIGNED TO MITIGATE RISKS , TO INCREASE OPERATIONAL EFFECTIVENESS AND OVERALL SAFETY. ONE OF THE GOALS IS NOT ONLY TO USE IT IN PROFESSIONAL ON-DUTY CAREERS BUT ALSO APPLY IT TO OUR OFF-DUTY TIMES. AND THAT WOULD GENERALLY MAKE US SAFER IN OUR OFF-DUTY EXTRACURRICULAR ACTIVITIES. I MENTIONED THIS BACKGROUND BECAUSE I THINK IT WORKS. I USE IT PERSONALLY AS A TOOL TO IDENTIFY AND MITIGATE RISKS EVEN THOUGH I'M RETIRED AND NOT GEARING UP TO JUMP INTO A HELICOPTER OR BOARD AN AIRCRAFT CARRIER, I AM AN AVID MEMBER AND USER OF THE CLAY COUNTY OUTDOOR ADVENTURE PARK . COMMISSIONER CONDON, THIS IS A FANTASTIC VENUE FOR CLAY COUNTY, AND I REALLY APPRECIATE ALL THAT HAS BEEN DONE OUT THERE. I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW WONDERFUL THE STAFF IS, SIMPLY PUT, IT IS JUST A TOP-NOTCH GROUP OF COURTEOUS PROFESSIONALS WHO DO AN EXCELLENT JOB ENSURING SAFETY AND SECURITY OF THE PATRONS AND USERS . NOT THAT GOOGLE IS THE TELL-ALL, BE-ALL RATING, BUT THEY DO HAVE A 4.9 OUT OF 5.0. AND THEY'VE GOT OVER 98 REVIEWS. OVER THE PAST YEAR I HAVE NOTICED A SIGNIFICANT

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TO THAT FACT, I WAS CHECKING IN AT THE END OF OCTOBER. THE STAFF MEMBERS SAID TO THE GUEST RIGHT IN FRONT OF ME THAT THEY HAD JUST BECOME A PIECE OF HISTORY OF THE PARKS -- PARKED IN HISTORY. SORRY. THIS WAS THE FIRST MONTH THE PARK HAD OVER 1000 PATRONS IN A SINGLE MONTH FOR IT AND THEY WERE 1000 -- 1001. HE WAS VERY EXCITED AT THE MILESTONE ACCOMPLISHMENT . I ASKED HOW THAT COMPARED TO A YEAR AGO AND HE ACTUALLY KNEW THE NUMBERS. HE SAID IT WAS A LITTLE OVER 350 USERS DURING OCTOBER OF 2024. I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE FINAL NUMBERS ENDED UP FOR THE MONTH OF 2025, BUT THAT IS ALMOST A 300% GROWTH RATE COMPARED TO A YEAR AGO, AND THAT IS VERY IMPRESSIVE. REGARDING OPERATIONAL MANAGEMENT AND THE POINT OF MY PUBLIC COMMENT IS THE COUNTY MAY HAVE POTENTIAL INCREASE RISK DEVELOPMENT CONSIDERING THE AMOUNT OF RANGE SAFETY OFFICERS EMPLOYING THE OVERSEEING THE OPERATIONS VERSUS THE NUMBER OF PATRONS USED IN THE FACILITY NOW. THE CURRENT LEVEL MAY OR MAY NOT MEET THE LEVEL OF RISK YOU ARE WILLING TO ACCEPT GIVEN THE AMOUNT OF GROWTH THE PARK HAS EXPERIENCED . REASSESSMENT MAY BE IN ORDER TO DETERMINE IF ANY CHANGES ARE NECESSARY TO MITIGATE RISK TO A MORE ACCEPTABLE LEVEL MOVING FORWARD WITH CONTINUED GROWTH AND SUCCESS. IN CLOSING, I'M VERY EAGER TO SEE WHAT NEW AMENITIES MAY BE COMING NEXT, AND I WOULD LIKE TO VOICE A VOTE FOR ANY SHOTGUN SPORTS, SKI TRAP, SPORTING CLAYS, AND I WANT TO THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR PUBLIC SERVICE COMMITMENT TO CLAY COUNTY. MUCH APPRECIATED. GOD BLESS CLAY, AND GOD BLESS THE

REPUBLIC >> THANK YOU. VERY GOOD INFORMATION. I APPRECIATE IT. PASTOR SAMUEL LEE. AND AFTER PASTOR LEE, WE HAVE TERESA .

>> GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE. ST. MARK BAPTIST CHURCH IN FLORIDA.

COMING HERE ON BEHALF OF OF THE HILLTOP COMMUNITY PEOPLE FROM THE HEARING OF THE NAMING OF THE ROAD TO CHARLIE KIRK. WE STAND IN OPPOSITION OF THE NAME OF THAT ROAD BECAUSE IT SEEMS THAT WHAT HE STOOD FOR IS WHAT I PREACH ABOUT AND TEACH THE PEOPLE TO LIVE. IN THIS COMMUNITY I UNDERSTAND THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE. WE ARE A VERY GOD-FEARING PEOPLE. WE LOVE THE LORD. WE SERVE THE LORD IN OUR OWN CAPACITIES. SOME BAPTIST, SOME METHODIST . PENTECOSTAL. WHATEVER. WE KNOW WE HAVE FEAR FOR GOD. AND GOD DOES NOT WANT DIVISION. HE WANTS UNITY. AND WE WORK REALLY HARD TO BRING THE LOVE AND TO UNIFY THE PEOPLE TOGETHER TO HAVE A FORGIVING HEART. PEOPLE WHOSE COMPASSION FOR EVERYBODY. THE COMMUNITY THAT YOU LIVE IN .

DON'T YOU WANT TO LIVE IN A COMMUNITY YOU CAN FEEL SAFE AND PEACEFUL? IF YOU LEAVE OUT YOUR HOUSE AND FORGET TO LOCK YOUR DOOR THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT IT YOUR NEIGHBOR WILL MAKE SURE YOU STAY SAFE, BECAUSE WHY? THE PEOPLE AROUND YOU AND THE PIECE THAT YOU GIVE TOWARD THEM. IT DRAWS THAT KIND OF ATTITUDE . SO WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE A DIVISION. I HAVE TO PAY YOU BACK FOR THIS. PAYBACK FOR THAT. NO. WE WANT LOVE. WE WANT PEACE, AND WE WANT UNITY, AND I PREACH UNITY ALL THE TIME.

I UNDERSTAND THE COMMUNITY ALL STANDS BEHIND ME. SO WE STAND AGAINST THE NAME OF THE ROAD TO CHARLIE KIRK. WE DON'T NEED TO BE REMINDED OF ALL OF THE STUFF HE STOOD FOR. WE DON'T WANT TO BE REMINDED OF THAT. WE DON'T WANT TO BE REMINDED OF THINGS THAT'S GOING TO DRAW US TOGETHER AND TO BE HAPPY TO TELL OTHER PEOPLE THAT MAY WANT TO COME TO FLORIDA. COME TO MIDDLEBURG . A NICE, PEACEFUL, LOVING COMMUNITY. COME TO CLAY COUNTY . YOU KNOW, WHERE WE SHOW THAT WE ARE WORKING TOGETHER TO MAKING IMPROVEMENTS INSTEAD OF GOING BACKWARDS . SO IN THE END I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE UNDERSTAND THAT , NUMBER ONE, WE ARE AGAINST IT. --

JUST A CERTAIN FEW. >> THANK YOU, PASTOR LEE. TERESA . AND AFTER IS PAT JORGENSEN.

>> I POLICE SAY OFF THE RECORD I DID NOT KNOW

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INAUDIBLE ] >> COME ON UP TO THE MICROPHONE.

>> AT AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS, AND ELECTED OFFICIALS. HAPPY VETERANS DAY TO ALL THAT HAVE SERVED. ESPECIALLY OUR DAUGHTER AND HER HUSBAND AND OUR SON-IN-LAW. I HAVE TO CONFESS AS A MOM WITH AN ACTIVE-DUTY SON, I WISH HE WAS A VETERAN AT THIS TIME AS WELL. CONTINUING MY POINT I WAS TRYING TO MAKE LAST MEETING, I WAS GIFTED A GOTCHA AS I WAS LISTENING TO THE NEWS AND I HEARD THE NAME. HE IS THE HOUSING FINANCE GURU HIRED BY THIS REGIME TO FACILITATE THIS ONSLAUGHT OF ATTACKS ON THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. ANYWAY, IT APPEARS HE IS PROPOSING MAKING A COMPANY TOWNS WAREHOUSING AND ALL GOODS ARE CONTROLLED BY THE GOVERNMENT, BANKS, AND CORPORATIONS. 50-YEAR MORTGAGES FOR $400,000. PAY FOR 10 YEARS, YOU WILL STILL ONLY GET $17,000 OFF THE PRINCIPAL. 50 ADULT YEARS IS A LIFETIME OF BASICALLY RENTING. AS RETIRING AGE FOLKS LIKE MYSELF SEE THE VALUE OF MY HOME THREE TIMES A PURCHASE PRICE, I RELISH IN MY GOOD FORTUNE, ESPECIALLY AFTER THE BUSH CRASH AND THAT WHOLE DEBACLE. I LOOK BACK MOMENTARILY AND FEEL I DESERVE IT. ONLY MOMENTARILY THOUGH , FOR I SEE THE STRUCTURES OF THE STRUGGLES THE NEXT GENERATION ARE HAVING WITH HOMEOWNERSHIP AND WISH FOR THEM TO HAVE BETTER AFFORDABILITY. I DON'T KNOW HOW TO FIX IT, BUT I DO KNOW LOSING CITIZENSHIP CONTROL LOOKS LIKE SLAVERY. BACK TO POULTRY. ISN'T THAT THE GROUP THAT CLAY COUNTY GIFTED A 43.2 MILLION DOLLAR ROAD FOR ? 32 POINT MILLION ALL WHILE THE TAXPAYING CITIZENS OF THIS COUNTY, WHO PAY TAXES FOR DECADES, SIT IN TRAFFIC GRIDLOCK, GET DENIED TURNING LANE ACCESS TO THEIR BUSINESSES ON ONE OF CLAY COUNTY'S FIRST ROADWAYS. RECYCLING GETS ASKED, AND TAXES CONTINUE TO RISE. HOW IS CATHEDRAL OAKS PARKWAY BEING PAID FOR WITH IMPACT FEES? AREN'T THOSE FEES FOR SCHOOLS, FIRE, POLICE, MUNICIPAL, ET CETERA BECAUSE OF IMPACT? THOSE ARE ALREADY HERE? SHOULDN'T IT BE MOBILITY OR AT LEAST DENOTED IN THE BUDGET THE TRANSFER OF THE LINE ITEMS? BACK TO POULTRY. I HEAR HE IS AN OUTSTANDING GUY WHO IS ALWAYS ETHICAL. JUST ASK HIS FAMILY. POINT BEING, ARE WE SURE THERE ISN'T GOING TO BE A DATACENTER DROPPED ON COMMUNITIES ALL OVER THIS COUNTRY? OR JUST FOR EXAMPLE, A TON OF UNDER HOMES LIKE WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED IN MEMPHIS ? CITIZENS ARE LOSING CONTROL AND IT IS TIME FOR CLAY COUNTY TO ELECT FOLKS WHO UNDERSTAND THE DYNAMICS . I HAVE A FEELING FOLKS ARE NOT EQUATING WHAT IS GOING ON IN D.C. AND TALLAHASSEE TO OUR PRESENT PREDICAMENT. AND I SHOULDN'T BE ADDRESSING IT AT THE LOCAL LEVEL AND THAT MY EFFORTS OF LATE MAKE NO SENSE. I JUST GAVE YOU AN EXAMPLE OF HOW THIS REGIME DOES HAVE EYES ON CLAY COUNTY. AND BEFORE SINGLE HOME IS BUILT, THEY'VE GOT A 43 MILLION DOLLAR ROAD ON IMPACT FEES FOR A ROAD THAT IMPACTS NONE OF THE TRAFFIC COMING FROM JACKSONVILLE, WHICH IS WHERE TAXPAYERS NEED RELIEF. STATE EXAMPLE. HOW MANY HAD A SAY IN SPENDING OF 83 MILLION ON FOUR ACRES OF LAND ON THE WEST COAST OF FLORIDA THAT IS SLATED TO BE UNDERWATER SOON, CARLY ASSURED THE DATA CENTER WILL NOT BE FORCED DOWN OUR COMMUNITY AS COMMUNITIES LATELY? HOW ABOUT A TUNNEL UNDER YOUR HOME LIKE MEMPHIS? THE CITIZENS NEED TO STAND AGAINST THIS TAKEOVER, AND SO DO OUR REPRESENTATIVES WHO APPEARS EITHER OBLIVIOUS OR COMPLICIT. NEITHER WORK FOR ME OR I. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. PAT JORGENSEN. AFTER MR. JORGENSEN IS CHARLES BARNES.

>> HI. YOU MIGHT RECOGNIZE MY FACE. I WAS HERE LAST COUNCIL MEETING . AND YOU MAY NOT HAVE HAD THIS HAPPEN BEFORE, BUT I'M GOING TO COME AND APOLOGIZE . I SAW A VIDEO THAT HAD OUR SHERIFF ON IT AND THE WORDS THAT CAME OUT OF HER MOUTH GOT ME UPSET .

NOW, I AM AN OLD WOMAN . I AM PROBABLY LIKE YOUR GRANDMA , YOU KNOW. YOU PISS ME OFF AND I'M GOING TO TELL YOU ABOUT YOURSELF AND SO I CAME AND I DID THAT. AND THEN BEFORE THE MEETING WAS OVER I WENT AND MET WITH SHERIFF COOK . SHE ASSURED ME THAT SHE HAD NEVER SAID THOSE WORDS, NEVER COME OUT OF HER MOUTH . I WENT BACK HOME. I CALLED MY GRANDSON. WE PULLED UP -- BECAUSE I HAD GOTTEN IT FROM A VIDEO. AND I TRIED TO PULL IT UP, AND IT WAS NOT THERE . AND HE SAID, WELL, NOTHING IS EVER GONE. SO WE LOOKED HIM UP . COULD NOT FIND THE VIDEO. SO APPARENTLY IT WAS SOME SORT OF A SPOOF OR SOMETHING. AI GENERATED

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I WAS TOLD I SHOULD EMAIL HER. I'M SORRY . I'M NOT GOOD AT EMAILS . I'M BETTER AT COMING AND TELLING YOU RIGHT TO YOUR FACE THAT I MADE A MISTAKE. AND THAT IS WHAT I TEACH MY CHILDREN IF THEY HAVE MADE A MISTAKE, THEY COME AND THEY TAKE ACCOUNT FOR IT. SO THAT IS WHAT I'M DOING. AND FROM WHAT I'M HEARING YOU GUYS -- YOU KNOW, YOU ARE LISTENING . THERE ARE STILL SOME TROUBLES . OUR INFRASTRUCTURE IS NOT AS GOOD AS IT NEEDS TO BE WITH THE AMOUNT OF HOUSES WE ARE PUTTING IN HERE. I LIVE ON THUNDER ROAD. YOU CANNOT GET OUT ON 16 FROM 6:30 TWO 8:30 BECAUSE THE TRAFFIC IS SO BAD. SO I'M PROBABLY GOING TO BE REACHING OUT TO ONE OF MY COMMISSIONERS.

YOU'RE GOING TO BE SEEING ME BECAUSE I HAVE DECIDED THIS IS MY FACE AND I'M GOING TO BE HERE. I WANT TO THANK YOU .

>> THANK YOU, MS. JORGENSEN. WE APPRECIATE THAT. DIRECTOR RIGHT IS HERE, AND HE WILL MAKE SURE THAT THE SHERIFF KNOWS TO WATCH THIS PART. SO THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. CHARLES BARNES. AND AFTER MR. BARNES IS CARTER.

>> I'M CHARLES BARNES. I LIVE 4419 CITY ROAD I'M HERE TO ADDRESS THE BOARD ISSUE THAT WE HAVE HAD FOR A LONG TIME. I HOPE I HAVE ALL OF MY INFORMATION CORRECT THAT YOU ARE GOING THROUGH SOME CHANGES TO GET MONEY TO FIX DRAINAGE ISSUES THROUGHOUT CLAY COUNTY ?

>> WE ARE EXPLORING IT. YES, SIR. ON ITEM 32.

>> YES. OKAY. EXPLORING IT. SO IN A PRESENTATION LAST TIME THAT Y'ALL MET HERE, THEY HAD A MAP ON THERE THAT SHOWED A STAR, A TRIANGLE -- I AM IN THE SQUARE.

DISAPPOINTED BECAUSE THIS HAS BEEN AN ONGOING ISSUE WITH ME SINCE 1992. AND THE COLLEGE OUT THERE. THERE IS DRAINAGE. IT IS NOT A PERMITTED DRAINAGE .

THROUGH YOUR DEPARTMENT YOU HAVE BETWEEN ME AND MR. BREEZE INAUDIBLE ] NOBODY KNOWS . I HAVE ALSO SPOKE WITH MR. -- ABOUT IT AND HE HAS MET ME OUT THERE. BUT IT -- WE NEED TO ME TELL YOU WHY. WHEN THE TIDE COMES IN LIKE IT DID THE PAST FEW MONTHS, WE CANNOT THAT IS THE ONLY WAY IN AND OUT. CANNOT DRIVE THROUGH THAT. SO WE HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL THE TIDE GOES OUT.

WE HAVE TO SCHEDULE INAUDIBLE ] FIVE BLOCKS UP THE ROAD. THIS IS NOT FAIR. THIS IS BEEN A PROBLEM . AND THE COUNTY SIMPLY DOES NOT SEE IT THAT WAY.

SO I'M ASKING YOU TO LOOK AT THIS . INVESTIGATE IT . PUT THIS IN YOUR FUTURE BUDGET. IF YOU EXPLORE THIS , WE WANT TO BE ONE OF THOSE PLANNING . EXPENSIVE PROJECT. I THINK MR. WHITAKER -- I'M SORRY.

I'M SORRY IF I DON'T SAY YOUR NAME RIGHT. ALSO TOLD ME IT IS VERY EXPENSIVE. I KNOW MY TIME IS UP. PLEASE TAKE A LOOK AT IT . SEE WHAT YOU CAN DO FOR US. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> THANK YOU, MR. BARNES. MR. FREEZE. AND AFTER MR. FREEZE IS

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IT HAS NOT BEEN RESURFACED SINCE THE LATE 1900S . THE PEOPLE THAT COME IN AND FILL POTHOLES HAVE TOLD ME THAT THEY WERE HAVE REPAVED AND RESURFACED MANY ROADS IN CLAY COUNTY THAT ARE IN BETTER SHAPE THAN OUR ROAD. BUT THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS ARE NOT APPROVING THE PAVING OF THAT ROAD BECAUSE THEY ARE SAYING IT IS IN A FLOOD AREA AND UNTIL IT GETS STRAIGHTENED OUT, THEY ARE NOT GOING TO REPAVE IT. IT IS IN A FLOOD ZONE. THE ROAD IS GOING TO FLOOD. BUT IF IT COULD BE RAISED, IT WOULD HELP GETTING IN AND OUT OF THERE WHEN THE TIDE IS HIGH AND THE ROAD IS SOMEWHAT FLOODED . IT IS ALSO ONE OF THE NARROWEST ROADS IF NOT THE NARROWEST ROAD IN CLAY COUNTY . IT NEEDS TO BE WIDENED. IT NEEDS TO BE RAISED . AND IT NEEDS TO BE RESURFACED. THERE IS ALSO IN MY DRIVEWAY A STORM DRAIN. 10 BY 10 HOLE IN MY DRIVEWAY THAT NEEDS TO BE COVERED . IT IS A HAZARD TO ANIMALS, CHILDREN, AUTOMOBILES . THAT NEEDS TO BE RECOVERED BY THE COUNTY SO IT IS NO LONGER HAZARD . I WAS PROMISED IN 2017, I BELIEVE , BY THE ENGINEER AT THAT TIME THAT THE HOLE WOULD BE COVERED AND IT WOULD BE TAKEN CARE OF . SO FAR THE ONLY THING THAT HAS HAPPENED SINCE 2017 IS THEY HAVE PUT FIVE CONES AROUND THAT HOLE. NOTHING ELSE HAS BEEN DONE. THEY SENT SOMEBODY OUT TO MAP IT TO DRAW IT . AS TO WHAT NEEDED TO GO INTO THAT HOLE TO COVER IT AND PUT A GREAT OVER IT. BUT IF THE ROAD COULD BE RAISED, WIDENED, AND RESURFACED, IT WOULD HELP SO MUCH IN THAT AREA. THANK YOU

VERY MUCH. >> THANK YOU, MR. BREEZE. AFTER HER IS AL LOWERY. YOU ARE GOOD? OKAY. SINCE SHE IS GOOD, MR. LOWRY, YOU ARE UP. AFTER MR. LOWRY IS PATRICIA FERNANDEZ.

>> THIS IS MY FIRST BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS MEETING I HAVE BEEN TO. SO I REALLY WASN'T SURE HOW THIS ALL WENT . BUT FIRST OF ALL, WANT TO THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK. I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO ALL OF OUR VETERANS THAT ARE IN HERE. HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO ANY MARINES ALSO. I AM COMING HERE TODAY BECAUSE I MOVED TO CLAY COUNTY AND BOUGHT A HOME ABOUT SIX YEARS AGO. AND I WENT TO THAT ROAD BECAUSE IT WAS QUIET AND PEACEFUL AREA .

ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO AFTER THE HIGHWAY STARTED BEING BUILT AND CONSTRUCTION WAS GOING -- OF COURSE IT WAS LONGER THAN THAT BUT IT GOT REALLY INTENSE TWO YEARS AGO . WE HAD A LOT OF CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC GOING THROUGH THAT WAS NOT SUPPOSED TO BE GOING THROUGH. EVEN THE COMPANY INVOLVED IN IT. THEY PUT UP BARRIERS WITH SIGNAGE. THEY PUT UP CONCRETE BARRIERS AND WE HAVE OUR NEIGHBORS ON BYRON ROAD THAT KEEP MOVING THOSE THINGS.

SO WE TRY TO GET SOME HELP WITH THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT TO COME OUT AND START PATROLLING THE AREA. ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO, THIS YOUNG LADY ON A FOUR WHEELER -- A YOUNG TEENAGER WITH HER SISTER BEHIND HER -- I BELIEVE IT WAS HER SISTER BEHIND HER AND SOME OTHER TEENAGERS AND KIDS BEHIND THEM ON FOUR WHEELERS. SHE FLIPPED RIGHT IN FRONT OF MY DRIVEWAY. AND I SAW THIS YOUNG GIRL UNCONSCIOUS IN FRONT OF MY DRIVEWAY . FIRE AND RESCUE DID COME AND THEY TOOK CARE OF HER. BUT TO SEE THAT WAS A BIG TRAVESTY. BUT SINCE THEN, THE HIGHWAY IS BUILT NOW.

THERE'S TWO GATES, ONE ON THE WINCHESTER SIDE ROAD SIDE AND ONE ON THE BYRON ROAD SIDE THAT ARE SUPPOSED TO BE SECURE AND THEY ARE SUPPOSED BE LOCKED . D.O.T. HAS RECENTLY GIVEN THAT OVER TO THE COUNTY TO TAKE CARE OF IT FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, SOME INDIVIDUALS DO NOT KNOW THAT IS SUPPOSED TO BE LOCKED AND IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE TAKEN CARE OF. THERE WAS CONTRACT BY THE COUNTY. I'M HERE TO ASK YOU FOR YOUR HELP BECAUSE THE GATE HAS BEEN LOCKED TWICE. THE FIRST TIME SOMEBODY REMOVED THE LOCKS AND THEN JUST LAST WEEK , DIRECTOR DEVON CAME OUT AND HE CUT THE LOCKS BECAUSE HE WAS NOT AWARE OF THE CONTRACT. THAT IS

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THEY DON'T CARE. >> THANK YOU, MR. LOWRY. ALL RIGHT PATRICIA FERNANDEZ. AFTER HER

>> I'M SORRY. I SEE THAT, MS. HERNANDEZ. IT IS NOTED. YOU ARE WAIVING SPEAKING AGAINST ITEM NUMBER 33. THANK YOU.

COMMISSIONERS WILL MAKE A NOTE OF THAT. LASTLY , TERESA. I KNOW THAT I AM PROBABLY NOT PRONOUNCING THAT PROPERLY. I APOLOGIZE. BEFORE YOUR TIMER STARTS, WILL YOU TELL ME HOW TO

PRONOUNCE IT? >> OH, YES.

>> THANK YOU. >> HI. AM TERESA , CONSTITUENT FROM ORANGE PARK. 32703. I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS YOUR PROPOSAL TO NAME COLLEGE DRIVE AFTER CHARLIE KIRK, WHICH I STRONGLY OPPOSE.

YOUR RESOLUTION CLAIMS HE BELIEVED IN THE IMPORTANCE OF RESPECTFUL DIALOGUE, PROTECTION OF FREE SPEECH, AND THE CREATION OF SAFE ENVIRONMENTS WHERE DIFFERING OPINIONS CAN BE SHARED WITHOUT FEAR OF HARASSMENT OR VIOLENCE. I WOULD LIKE TO REMIND YOU THIS SAME MAN SAID, I'M NOT HERE TO BE CIVIL. I'M HERE TO WIN. YOUR RESOLUTON PRAISES KIRK FOR HIS DEDICATION TO FACE, FAMILY, AND COUNTRY, YET HE PRETTILY MOCKED COMPASSION, ONCE SAYING , TURNING THE OTHER CHEEK HAS GOTTEN CONSERVATIVES NOWHERE. IN ANOTHER INSTANCE, HE SAID, JESUS WAS NOT A SOCIALIST.

HE DID NOT CARE ABOUT YOUR FEELINGS. THESE ARE NOT THE WORDS GUIDED BY HUMILITY OR LOVE OF NEIGHBOR. I WOULD SUGGEST THESE ILLUSTRATE THE USE OF FAITH AS A WEAPON AND NOT A WITNESS. LET'S NOT PRETEND THIS RESOLUTION IS A TRIBUTE TO CIVILITY OR CHRISTIAN VIRTUE. BEING LOUD DOES NOT MAKE A LEADER AND THE KIN OF RESPECT THAT BUILDS A COMMUNITY DOES NOT COME FROM -- US AND THEM. I THINK A COUPLE OTHER PEOPLE HAVE MENTIONED THAT. A LITTLE BIT ABOUT SEVERAL REAL COMMUNITY LEADERS. LOCAL HEROES WHO ARE ACTUALLY WORTHY OF SUCH AN HONOR. I THINK DESIREE ALLEN MENTIONED A COUPLE. CLAY COUNTY RESIDENTS WHO DEVOTED SIGNIFICANT PARTS IF NOT THE MAJORITY OF THEIR LIVES TO HELPING OTHERS IN THIS COMMUNITY. SADLY, TWO OF THESE INDIVIDUALS ARE NO LONGER WITH US. JEANNIE AND GUY. GUY WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR ESTABLISHING SOUP KITCHENS AT SENIOR CENTERS IN CLAY COUNTY. HIS WIFE JEANNIE FOUNDED THE WAY FREE MEDICAL CLINIC IN 2006. IT NOW SITS RIGHT ACROSS FROM THE ST. JOHNS RIVER STATE COLLEGE ON COLLEGE DRIVE. IT BEGAN IN GREEN COVE SPRINGS AND CONTINUES TO SERVE MANY PEOPLE IN OUR COMMUNITY WHO HAVE STRUGGLED TO AFFORD MEDICAL CARE. IT HAS RECENTLY RECEIVED QUITE A FEW AWARDS AND GRANTS.

ANOTHER WONDERFUL CLAY COUNTY RESIDENT DEDICATED HER LIFE TO HELPING PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES IS NANCY KEATING. SHE WORKED TIRELESSLY FOR MANY DECADES TO HELP DEVELOP WHAT USED TO BE CALLED CLAY COUNTY ASSOCIATION FOR THE AND BECAME KNOWN AS CHALLENGE ENTERPRISES. NANCY SOUGHT OUT MANY SPECIAL INDIVIDUALS IN THIS COUNTY WHOSE FAMILIES HAD NO PLACE THAT COULD HELP THEM. FINALLY, GOING TO MENTION RON RIDDLE, A FORMER COACH DEAR TO THE HEARTS OF MANY OF US WHO WENT TO CLAY HIGH SCHOOL. THERE IS A FACEBOOK PAGE CALLED GROWING UP IN GREEN COVE.

I THINK IT SAYS IN THE 60S, 70S, 80S, 90S. I DON'T KNOW. ON THAT PAGE RECENTLY A FORMER STUDENT RECALLED COACH FONDLY.

OUTPOURING OF APPRECIATION OF AND LOVE FOR COACH. MANY PEOPLE SAYING IT WOULD BE AMAZING TO HONOR HIM IN SOME WAY FOR HAVING BEEN SUCH A WONDERFUL COACH, ROLE MODEL, AND MENTOR TO SO MANY OF US HERE IN CLAY. IN CLOSING, I DON'T HAVE A LOT OF FAITH YOU'RE GOING TO TRULY LISTEN TO THOSE OF YOU US WHO ARE OPPOSED TO THIS RESOLUTION, BUT PLEASE ASK YOURSELVES WHY

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THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK -- FIRST PUBLIC COMMENT. I DON'T HAVE ANY MORE PUBLIC COMMENT CARDS. ALL RIGHT. SEEING NONE ,

[35.  Public Hearing on Ordinance to Amend the Capital Improvement Plan (R. Kantor)]

>> I AM REGGIE GANDER. I'M THE BUDGET MANAGER. THIS ITEM IS FOCUSED SOLELY ON THE BUDGETS OF THE ROAD PROJECTS. BUDGET AMENDMENTS -- BUDGET ADJUSTMENTS HAVE BEEN MADE WITH EACH OF THE PROJECTS TO INCLUDE CARRYOVER BUDGET AND TO REDISTRIBUTE SPENDING BUDGET TO WHERE EXPENDITURES WILL OCCUR. AND THAT AFFECTS -- QUESTIONS FOR RAJ ? THESE ITEMS. OKAY. I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING . IS THERE ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON ITEM NUMBER 35, WHICH ARE OUR BUDGET AMENDMENTS FOR OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT ELEMENT OF THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN ? SEEING NONE , I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD AND BRING

IT BACK TO THE BOARD FOR ACTION. >> MOVE APPROVAL.

>> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, INDICATE BY SAYING AYE. THOSE OPPOSED --

[36.  Fourth Amendment to Agreement No. 2021/2022-151 for First Coast Connector (FCC) – SR 23 to intersection of CR 315 and Maryland Ave. (Cathedral Oak Parkway) Design-Build for the Bonded Transportation Program Project 6B with Superior Construction Company Southeast, LLC (E. Dendor)]

>> THANK YOU. TO THE BOARD AND THE CHAIR. WITH ME THIS EVENING -- W G.I. -- ITEM 36 IS AN AMENDMENT TO SUPERIOR CONSTRUCTION CONTRACT 2021-2022 151 FOR YOUR APPROVAL WITH THIS ACTION WE WILL CLOSE OUT THE TRANSPORTATION PROJECT 6B . THE AMENDMENT IS DUE TO A CLAIM BY SUPERIOR FOR DELAY IN CONSTRUCTION FOR THE PERIOD OF APPROXIMATELY NINE MONTHS WITH MATERIAL COST ESCALATIONS , PRIMARILY ASPHALT, CONCRETE, LIMESTONE COSTS ESSENTIALLY GOING THROUGHTHE ROOF AT THAT TIME. THE DELAY WAS ATTRIBUTED TO THE COUNTY NOT BEING ABLE TO PURCHASE AND SECURE MITIGATION CREDITS FOR THIS PROJECT AND THE PROJECT UNDERWENT EXTRAORDINARY PERMIT REVIEW CYCLE TIME BY THE PERMITTING AGENCY. THE CLAIM FOR THIS AWARD AMENDMENT WAS NEGOTIATED BY THE PARTIES TO AN AMOUNT OF 1.6 MILLION WITH AN ACCEPTABLE DELIVERY DATE COINCIDING WITH THE OPENING OF THE STATE ROAD 23. THE REQUEST REQUIRES BOARD ACTION AND

APPROVAL. >> DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY

QUESTIONS FOR ED ? >> I HAVE A QUESTION. WHEN A PROJECT TRANSFER IS COMPLETE --

>> YES. >> SO DOES THE OWNER OF CLAY COUNTY -- DO WE MAINTAIN IT FROM HERE ON OUT?

>> I THOUGHT MAINTENANCE WAS RELATIVE TO

>> NO, SIR. THE ROAD CATHEDRAL WAY PARKWAY -- WE OWN THE RIGHT-OF-WAY. AND THERE ARE A COUPLE OF HERE. THERE ARE A COUPLE OF PONDS AS THE DEVELOPMENTS OCCUR ALONG THAT CORRIDOR. THEY MAY TAKE POSSESSION OF SOME OF THOSE --

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>> SO THIS PART OF CATHEDRAL PARKWAY AND THIS PROJECT DOES NOT INCLUDE THE SEGMENT THAT GOES FROM THE EXPRESSWAY WEST TO 218. THAT PART IS ALSO COUNTY RIGHT-OF-WAY AND OWNED BY THE COUNTY. BUT THAT IS THE PART THAT WAS BUILT BY SOMEONE ELSE

AND MAINTAINED BY SHADOW CDD. >> THAT IS WHERE I GOT CONFUSED.

>> YES, SIR. >> THANK YOU.

>> HOWEVER, LANDSCAPING IS BY THE DEVELOPER , CORRECT?

>> AGAIN, THIS IS EAST AND WEST OF STATE ROAD 23. WEST OF 23 IS THE PART WE ARE TALKING ABOUT NOW. PARKWAY IS EAST OF STATE ROAD 23 ALL THE WAY TO COUNTY ROAD 315.

>> OKAY. >> HOWEVER, WE ARE IN DISCUSSION WITH SARATOGA SAGE PARK FOR ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPE AND MAINTENANCE FOR THE OTHER SEGMENT GOING EAST FROM THE EXPRESSWAY. WE JUST AREN'T THERE YET.

>> OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR ED ? THIS IS NOT A PUBLIC HEARING, SO I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION .

>> BEFORE YOUR MOTION, MADAM CHAIR, WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT SOMETHING FOR THE BOARD . IN MY CONVERSATIONS WITH THE COUNTY MANAGER AND COUNTY AUDITOR , I REALIZED THAT THE AMENDMENT -- THIS $1.6 MILLION -- IS THE RESULT OF IN PART A DISPUTE BETWEEN THE STATE AND FEDERAL GOVERNMENT , AND I HIGHLIGHT FOR US -- FOR THE PUBLIC THAT BY THE STROKE OF A PEN, A JUDGE'S DECISION COSTS CLAY COUNTY RESIDENTS IN PART, $1.6 MILLION . AND THIS GAP -- I BELIEVE IT TO BE A VERY SERIOUS PROBLEM. WE OBVIOUSLY NEEDED TO DO RIGHT TO GET THIS PROJECT COMPLETED .

SUPERIOR DID THEIR PART . THE COUNTY DID THEIR PART IN NEGOTIATING BECAUSE THOSE FIGURES WERE SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER BEFORE WE GOT DOWN TO THIS $1.6 MILLION FIGURE. BUT IT IS A VERY SERIOUS OFFENSE IN MY OPINION THAT SOMETHING COMPLETELY UNRELATED TO CLAY COUNTY WOULD CATCH CLAY COUNTY AT SUCH A LARGE PRICE TAG. WE GOT CAUGHT IN THE CROSSHAIRS OF A DISPUTE THAT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH US. THAT CHANGEOVER FROM THE STATE HANDLING PERMITTING TO THE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS HANDLING PERMITTING COST US A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF MONEY .

AND THEN THERE IS NOTHING THAT CAN BE DONE ABOUT THE WETLAND MITIGATION -- THE BANK. NOT HAVING THE CREDITS WE NEED. SO HERE WE ARE WITH YET ANOTHER CIRCUMSTANCE THAT LEFT CLAY COUNTY INDEFENSIBLE IN THIS SITUATION . AND SO AS FAR AS WHAT WE HAVE NOTICED AT THE STATE LEVEL -- THIS CONVERSATION THAT OUR CFO HAS BEEN HAVING ABOUT COUNTY GOVERNMENT AND MAKING SURE WE ARE FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE -- I'M ASKING FOR US TO HAVE A DISCUSSION TONIGHT ABOUT OPENING DIALOGUE WITH OUR CFO TO ADDRESS HOW TO INSULATE COUNTIES MOVING FORWARD, ESPECIALLY IN LIGHT OF THE CONVERSATION THAT CAME UP TONIGHT ABOUT INFRASTRUCTURE . AND WE ARE OBVIOUSLY GOING TO HAVE A CONVERSATION TONIGHT ABOUT STORMWATER INFRASTRUCTURE.

THERE ARE -- THERE ARE GAPS THAT SEVERELY IMPACT COUNTIES NOT JUST CLAY BUT ALL ACROSS THE STATE . AND WE AT THIS PRESENT MOMENT DON'T HAVE A REMEDY AND IT IS OUR TAXPAYERS WHO ARE HAVING TO HOLD THE BAG . AND SO I BRING THAT TO YOUR ATTENTION.

I'M SURE YOU GUYS HAVE ALREADY HAD THAT CONVERSATION IN YOUR BRIEFINGS, BUT I'M CURIOUS TO KNOW WHAT DIRECTION WE CAN TAKE TO INSULATE OURSELVES BECAUSE THAT IS MULTIPLE PROJECTS THAT ARE ARGUABLY OFF THE TABLE NOW BECAUSE OF THIS HIT . IT IS VERY SERIOUS.

>> DOES THAT INCLUDE OMISSION? >> PAINSTAKINGLY BECAUSE IT IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO, I WILL MOVE APPROVAL FOR THIS AMENDMENT , BUT WITH A HUGE CAVEAT . WE'VE GOT TO FIND -- WE NEED TO FIND A PATH FORWARD BECAUSE I DON'T THINK WE CAN KEEP TAKING HITS LIKE THIS, ESPECIALLY UNANTICIPATED HITS. AND THERE IS NO WAY TO PREVENT IT OR TO HAVE SEEN THIS COMING.

>> OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? WE HAVE A MOTION

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>> WE COULD CONSULT . OUR ATTORNEY -- FORWARD OUR CONCERN TO THE CFO . STATES CFO -- THIS ISSUE .

>> YEAH. AND AS WE HAD THE DISCUSSION WITH COMMISSIONER COMPERE, IT IMPACTED OUR PROJECTS FOR THIS PARTICULAR ONE. THIS ONE WAS ACTUALLY THE CLEAN WATER ACT, WHICH IS THE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS. I KNOW THAT THE COUNTY MANAGER HAD DIRECT COMMUNICATIONS WITH CONGRESSMEN SURROUNDING THIS SO WE CAN CERTAINLY FOLLOW UP ON THAT.

>> I WOULD IMAGINE IF IT IMPACTED OUR COUNTY IT IMPACTED A NUMBER OF OTHERS . I'M NOT SURE THERE IS AN APPRECIATION IN WASHINGTON OR TALLAHASSEE FOR THE CONSEQUENCES THAT LOCAL GOVERNMENT TAXPAYER DOLLARS FOR THESE KINDS OF DECISIONS. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM? OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE AND A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, INDICATE BY SAYING AYE. AYE. THOSE OPPOSED, MOTION CARRIES, 5-0.

>> THANK YOU. >> ITEMS NUMBER 37 AND 38 INCLUDE REZONINGS . AND SO IF YOU ARE HERE TO SPEAK ON EITHER ITEM NUMBER 37 OR 38, WE WILL NEED YOU TO STAND AND OUR CLERK WILL SWEAR YOU IN. SO IF YOU ARE HERE TO SPEAK ON ITEM 37 OR 38 -- MS. ARELLANO, YOU HAD PUT 37. DID YOU NOT MEAN 37? I HAVE GOT IT. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OKAY. AND THEN I HAVE THAT , MS. FERNANDEZ, AS WELL. OKAY. SO THESE ARE THE ONLY ONES WHO ARE HERE TO SPEAK ON ITEMS 37 AND 38. CLERK. RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. DO YOU SOLEMNLY SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE TESTIMONY YOU

[37.  Final Public Hearing to consider COMP 25-0012 and PUD 25-0005 (District 4, Comm Condon) (J. Bryla)]

TRUTH, SO HELP YOU GOD? >> I DO.

>> THANK YOU. ITEM NUMBER 37. OUR FINAL PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER COMP 25- 0012 AND 0015 IN MY DISTRICT.

FUTURE LAND USE OF RURAL RESIDENTIAL AND ZONING DISTRICT OF AGRICULTURAL RESIDENTIAL REQUESTING TO CHANGE TO URBAN FRINGE AND PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT RESPECTFULLY. AS YOU CAN SEE BY THE LOCATOR MAP AND THE AERIAL IMAGE, THE PROPERTY IS ESSENTIALLY INTERSECTION OF COUNTY ROAD 218 AND STATE ROAD 21 . AS STATED, THE EXISTING LAND USE OF RURAL RESIDENTIAL IS SHOWN ON THE GRAPHIC ON THE LEFT WITH THE URBAN FRINGE ON THE RIGHT. SO URBAN FRINGE DOES PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT MORE DENSITY THAN RURAL RESIDENTIAL . SOME OF THE CLAY COUNTY COMPREHENSIVE PLAN OBJECTIVES AND POLICIES THAT SUPPORT THE REQUEST CAN BE FOUND HERE . THE PROJECT IS WITHIN THE URBAN SERVICE BOUNDARY AND DENSITIES PROPOSED ARE UNDER FOUR UNITS TO THE ACRE. BASED ON THIS -- BASED ON THE COMP PLAN, THIS WOULD BE CONSIDERED AN INFILL DEVELOPMENT PROPOSAL. THESE VACANT LANDS ARE ENCOURAGED VIA THE COMP PLAN FOR DEVELOPMENT.

FLORIDA STATUTES CHAPTER 163.3177 REQUIRES THE REVIEW TO DETERMINE THAT THE REQUESTED AMENDMENT DOES NOT SUPPORT SPRAWL . STAFF FOUND THAT THE PROJECT DOES NOT SUPPORT SPRAWL BASED ON SEVERAL FACTORS . ONE, IT DIRECTS ECONOMIC GROWTH TOWARD AREAS THAT CURRENTLY HAVE INFRASTRUCTURE IN PLACE . TWO, IT IS CONSIDERED INFILL DEVELOPMENT AS THERE ARE SIMILAR DENSITIES SURROUNDING THE SITE. THREE, IT PRESERVES AGRICULTURAL LANDS BY LEAVING THOSE AREAS ON THE FRINGES UNDEVELOPED.

FINALLY, FOUR, THE PROJECT DOES NOT PROVIDE FURTHER IMPACT TO

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APPLICANT IS HERE. >> ANY QUESTIONS FOR JENNY? OKAY, MR. MILLER. YOU WANT TO COME UP AND ADDRESS US?

>> GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS FRANK MILLER. MY ADDRESS IS 1 INDEPENDENT DRIVE SWEET 2300 IN JACKSONVILLE. JENNY DID, I THINK, A REAL GOOD EXPLANATION OF WHAT WE ARE DOING. 16 ACRE.

16.34 ACRE PARCEL PROPERTY JUST OFF THE INTERSECTION OF 218 -- BOULEVARD. IT IS BEHIND A PUBLIC SHOPPING CENTER. THE BUSINESSES IN AND AROUND THAT INTERSECTION ARE -- THERE IS THE PUBLIC'S.

THERE IS A WINN-DIXIE. THERE IS A HUDDLE HOUSE. THERE IS A FIREHOUSE SUBS. TIRE, DUNKIN' DONUTS, CVS, JIFFY LUBE , O'REILLY'S AUTO PARTS . DOWN THE STREET THERE IS A KFC AND THERE IS A U.P.S. STORE . AND I MENTIONED ALL OF THAT TO SUGGEST TO YOU THAT THIS IS IN THE AREA OF A HIGHLY COMMERCIAL AREA FOR

MIDDLEBURG. >> WE HAVE BEEN TO THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE SEVERAL TIMES WITH DIFFERENT APPROACHES AND EACH TIME WE HAVE RESPONDED WE HOPE WITH THE TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT THAT THE LOCAL COMMUNITY CAN LIVE WITH . AND WE HAVE DOWNSIZED IT SIGNIFICANTLY. THERE WAS A TIME THAT THERE WAS SOME CONSIDERATION FOR TOWHOMES . THERE WAS THEN CONSIDERATION FOR ALMOST 70 LOT DEVELOPMENT . WE ARE NOW DOWN TO LOT DEVELOPMENT CONSISTING OF 59 LOTS . 34 OF WHICH WILL BE 50 FOOT. AND 17 WILL BE 60 FOOT WIDE LOTS. 60 FOOT WIDE LOTS ARE ON THE NORTH BOUNDARY OF THE PROPERTY ADJACENT TO THE EXISTING RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT WITH SLIGHTLY LARGER LOTS . AND THE TRANSITION WILL BE FROM THAT PROJECT TO THIS PROJECT TO THE COMMERCIAL . AND WE HAVE BEEN TOLD WERE HEARD AT THE COMMUNITY MEETINGS -- AND I SHOULD POINT OUT IN ADDITION TO THE COMMUNITY ADVISORY COMMITTEE MEETING THAT WE ATTENDED SEVERAL TIMES , WE ALSO HELD A COMMUNITY MEETING OUTSIDE OF THE COMMUNITY ADVISORY MEETING. WE OBTAINED EMAIL ADDRESSES FOR A NUMBER OF

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>> THANK YOU, MR. MILLER. ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. MILLER? ALL RIGHT. I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. THIS IS ITEM NUMBER 37.

I DO HAVE TWO CARDS THAT ARE SPEAKING AGAINST THIS ITEM. COME

ON UP, HELENA. >> MY NAME IS HELENA. MY ADDRESS IS ON FILE. THE PROPERTY THAT IS UP THERE -- ONE OF MY FRIENDS IS -- HAS AN INTEREST IN THE COMMERCIAL PROPERTY UP IN FRONT OF THAT. HE IS A BROKER AND I'M NOT SURE IF HE IS PART OWNER OR HOW THAT WORKS. BUT HE WAS NOT ABLE TO BE HERE TONIGHT AS FAR AS I HAVE LOOKED AT HERE. BUT HE IS VERY CONCERNED WITH HIS COMMERCIAL PROPERTY UP IN THE FRONT AND THE FLOODING. AND SO I DON'T PERSONALLY KNOW HOW ALL OF IT IS AFFECTED, BUT AS YOU HAVE HEARD MR. MILLER SPEAK THERE IS ALREADY ISSUES ON THE OTHER PART OF THE PROPERTY IN THEIR CONCERNS, SO JUST -- I DON'T HAVE SOLUTIONS ON THOSE AS WELL , BUT I WOULD BE REMISS IF I DIDN'T TRY TO VOICE FOR HIM ON HIS BEHALF. SO THANK YOU.

>> ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? SEEING NONE, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND BRING IT BACK FOR ACTION. I GUESS I SHOULD START WITH X PARTAKE COMMUNICATION. SO I WILL DISCLOSE THAT I HAVE HAD A NUMBER OF CONVERSATIONS WITH MR. MILLER AND HIS CLIENT AS WELL AS THERE HAVE BEEN SOME EMAIL COMMUNICATIONS WITH SOME CITIZENS AND SOME FACEBOOK MEDICATIONS AS WELL WITH CONSTITUENTS. IS THERE ANY OTHER

EX PARTE COMMUNICATIONS? >> I'VE RECEIVED SEVERAL EMAILS

COMMUNICATIONS. >> SO THIS IS IN MY DISTRICT.

AND THIS ONE IS VERY DIFFICULT BECAUSE , ONE, IT HAS BEEN

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>> IT IS BECAUSE THIS ONE IS A STRUGGLE FOR ME BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO SEE THE CITIZENS OF DISTRICT 4 END UP WITH AFFORDABLE HOUSING APARTMENTS THERE, AND YET IT IS JUST -- I

JUST -- >> I WOULD ASK IF MAYBE WE COULD ALLOW THIS TO BE CONTINUED OR UNTIL I GUESS THE FIRST MEETING

OF DECEMBER . >> I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU, MR. MILLER. DRAINAGE IS THE ISSUE. ONE OF THE ISSUES IN THAT AREA. YOU MENTIONED THIS DEVELOPER MIGHT BE ABLE TO

ACCOMMODATE . >> YEAH, THE KINDS OF THINGS THEY WERE LOOKING AT. WHAT HAPPENS AS I UNDERSTAND IT -- IT BACKS UP IN THE BACKYARDS OF THE FOLKS ON THE NORTH. THEY WERE LOOKING TO MAYBE BE ABLE TO PULL THAT INTO A PIPE OR SOMETHING THAT WOULD BASICALLY FLOW THROUGH INTO THEIR DRAINAGE POND . THEY HAVE NOT DONE ALL THE DRAINAGE WORK YET, BUT THEY ARE WILLING TO LOOK AT IT AND HELP THEM WITH THAT.

>> USE THEIR POND TO ACCOMMODATE .

>> TO BASICALLY GET THE PONDING BEHIND THEIR HOMES.

>> THANK YOU. >> I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM

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>> RICHARD SMITH, COUNTY ENGINEER. THIS AREA SPECIFICALLY WE HAVE RECEIVED PRELIMINARY SET OF PLANS FOR THAT IS WHAT YOU GUYS SAW . AND REALLY HAVE NOT EVALUATED THE DRAINAGE THAT WOULD RECEIVE ANYTHING ON THE DRAINAGE AT ALL. THIS IS THE FIRST I HAVE HEARD THERE WAS ANY ISSUES WITH IT. IN GENERAL, YOU CANNOT MODIFY THE DRAINAGE ON YOUR SITE TO DIRECT IT WHERE IT WAS NOT GOING BEFORE THEY MOVED IN. YOU CAN HAVE YOUR OPINION.

YOU CAN SAY IT NEVER HAPPENED BEFORE. I'VE LIVED HERE 50 YEARS. PROBABLY IF THE GRAVITY AND THE MAPS AND CONTOUR INFORMATION SHOW THAT, YOU JUST HAVE TO HELP THOSE FOLKS AS GOOD AS YOU CAN. YOU'VE GOT ONE ON 220 FARMS THAT WE HAVE DONE A LOT OF WORK ON AND I REALLY THINK WHAT IT IS IS ESPECIALLY WHEN IT IS YOUR BACKYARD , YOU SEE AN OPPORTUNITY TO IMPROVE IT . I THINK THAT IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE. THESE FOLKS MAY HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET THEIR BACKYARDS IMPROVED , MEANING THE WATER SITTING THERE IT IS BACKED UP. MAYBE THEY CAN FIX IT IF THEY CAN. IT WON'T BE ANY WORSE. HERE WITH THE SAME WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT. VERY SPECIFIC RULES. WE ARE NOT A REVIEWING AGENCY FOR DRAINAGE . IT HAS TO BE DONE AT THE STATE

LEVEL. >> IF YOU HAVE A DEVELOPMENT THAT IS FIVE FEET ABOVE THE DEVELOPMENT AROUND IT, WHERE ELSE IS THE WATER GOING TO GO? YES, THERE IS A POND , BUT I'M NOT A PROFESSIONAL AT THIS, BUT TO ME THAT IS WHAT I SEE EVERY SINGLE TIME. THAT IS WHAT SEEMS TO BE THE PROBLEM TO ME.

>> YOU EVALUATE WHERE IT GOES BEFORE YOU DEVELOP IT AND IT MUST GO TO THE SAME PLACE AFTERWARDS. YOU CANNOT BE -- YOU CANNOT LEAVE YOUR SITE AT A HIGHER RATE . CUBIC FEET PER SECOND, MEANING THERE MAY BE MORE, BUT THAT IS WHAT THE PONDS ARE FOR. THEY ARE THERE TO HOLD THE WATER AND STAGE IT UNTIL IT GOES OUT AT THE SAME RATE OF FLOW IT DID BEFORE YOU MOVE FOR A SINGLE ROOF OR DRIVEWAY OR ROAD WAS BUILT.

>> THE PLANS MIGHT SHOW THAT, BUT HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT'S GOING TO BE THE CASE BEFORE IT IS ALREADY BUILT?

>> THE PLANS ARE REVIEWED. PROFESSIONAL ENGINEERING GROUP.

PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER AT ST. JOHN'S RIVER WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT. THEY ARE AS BUILT, MEANING THEY DO A SURVEY TO SURVEY EXACTLY WHAT WAS BUILT . THEY HAVE DRAINAGE STRUCTURES THAT HAVE DIFFERENT SIZED HOLES IN THEM. THOSE HOLES HAVE TO BE EXACTLY CORRECT. THAT IS WHAT WE CHECK. THAT HAS BEEN VERIFIED BY THE ST. JOHN'S RIVER WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT . AND IT SHOULD WORK. IT WILL WORK . NOW, YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE COMPLAINERS. WE HAD COMPLAINERS ON COLD COURT. TURNS OUT IT DID NOT EVEN DRAIN THAT WAY EVER. HE JUST DIDN'T. THAT DOESN'T EVEN GO ON THEIR PROPERTY. SO A LOT OF TIMES I FEEL LIKE WE, THE COUNTY , ARE ALMOST VICTIMIZED BY IT HAS NEVER BEEN THAT WAY BEFORE. WE HAVE NEVER LIVED HERE BEFORE . WE DON'T WANT TO SAY THEY ARE NOT TELLING US THE TRUTH. MY GOODNESS, CAN WE BE WRONG EVERY SINGLE TIME? THAT IS WHAT IT IS. THAT IS THE BEST WE CAN DO. WHEN YOU PUT SOMETHING DOWN ON TOP OF DIRT THAT DOES NOT DRAIN IN , IT IS GOING TO DRAIN SOMEWHERE. IT'S GOT TO BE COMPENSATED FOR. BUT IT HAS TO GO WHERE IT WENT AFTER IT IS BUILT WHERE IT WAS GOING BEFORE IT WAS BUILT.

>> HAVE YOU HEARD FROM PEOPLE SAYING THEY'RE GETTING FLOODING

BEHIND THIS? >> NO. ALL ANYBODY HAS SAID TO ME ABOUT IT IS ABOUT THIS AREA WAS UNDERWATER DURING IRMA . AND WHY WOULD WE ALLOW MORE HOUSES TO BE THERE? BUT, YOU KNOW, THAT WHOLE INTERSECTION WAS UNDERWATER DURING IRMA , AND WE CANNOT MAKE -- I UNDERSTAND WE CANNOT MAKE DECISIONS BASED ON THAT. MY QUESTION THOUGH AS A FOLLOW-UP TO COMMISSIONER BURKE'S -- AND THIS IS NOT FAIR TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT , BUT I DON'T KNOW IF JENNY OR ANY OF THE OTHER STAFF WANT TO SPEAK TO

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>> THEY ARE. YOU HAVE TO CONSIDER YOUR OFF-SITE CONDITIONS. THOSE FOLKS DRAINING ONTO IT. KEEP IN MIND WE HAVE NOT BEEN AT THIS LEVEL OF DRAINAGE REVIEW FOREVER. I LIKE TO REFER TO DOUG HISTORICALLY. BUT I THINK YOU'RE PROBABLY LOOKING AT STUFF THAT HAS BEEN CLOSELY MONITORED PROBABLY IN THE LAST 30 YEARS. THOSE HOMES AROUND THERE MAY HAVE DEVELOPED PRIOR TO THAT . AS YOU DESIGN THIS -- WHOEVER THEY HIRE AS THEIR DESIGNER HAS TO CONSIDER THE EXISTING WHAT IS COMING -- WHAT IS THERE -- IN OTHER WORDS, IF THERE IS 50 HOUSES DRAIN THEIR UNDERTRAINED MEANING THEY HAVE NO PROVISIONS FOR THE FACT THAT THEY WENT ON TOP OF THE EARTH. AND NOW THEY HAVE ROOFS AND SIDEWALKS AND DRIVEWAYS. YOU GOT TO CONSIDER THAT IN YOUR CALCULATIONS. IT CHANGES THEIR POND SIZE. IF IT WERE JUST THEIR PERFECT LITTLE 10 ACRE SITE AND THEY WENT THROUGH ALL OF THE STUFF YOU WOULD IN A CONTROLLED ENVIRONMENT LIKE MAYBE A CLASSROOM OF THE UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA, YOU COME INTO THE POND SIZE. WHEN YOU HAVE EVERYTHING AROUND IT LIKE DR. BIRX SAID, IT IS BETTER REALLY WHEN THE DRAIN ONTO IT. WHEN THEY ARE DRAINING ONTO IT, YOU CAN TAKE CARE OF THAT BECAUSE YOUR WHOLE DEAL IS YOU GOT TO TAKE THAT RATE OF FLOW THAT LEAVES YOUR SITE AND

YOU CAN'T CHANGE IT. >> HOW DO YOU ACCOUNT FOR SO THIS IS A FORESTED PARCEL. THERE IS TREES THERE . IF THEY DEVELOP IT, THEY ARE GOING TO COME IN CLEAR-CUT THAT. AND I KNOW THAT -- I HAVE HAD CONVERSATIONS THROUGH THE YEARS WITH DIFFERENT BUILDERS WHO HAVE TALKED TO ME ABOUT, WELL, THAT IS WHAT WE HAVE TO DO SO WE CAN BUILD IT UP. I THINK THE BUILDING UP PART IS WHAT IMPACTS THE NEIGHBORING COMMUNITIES AS WELL. AND I'M NOT A PROFESSIONAL AT IT EITHER, BUT IT SEEMS TO ME YOU ARE PULLING ALL THESE TREES OUT BY THE ROOTS. YOU ARE DESTROYING THIS SOIL. WE HAVE SO MUCH SAND. HOW CAN YOU ACCOUNT FOR THAT

JUST BY DIGGING A POND? >> THAT IS THE WAY YOU DIG A POND. PROBABLY LOSE TWO OR THREE LOTS. YOU MAKE THAT POND LARGER IN CAPACITY THAN IF YOU WERE THE FIRST ONE IN. SO YES, MA'AM.

>> WHAT DO THEY HAVE TO DO THAT, QUITE CAN'T THEY NOT TEAR OUT ALL THE TREES? WHY DO THEY HAVE TO BUILD IT HIGHER?

>> THAT IS AN ECONOMIC QUESTION. THAT IS WHEN YOU GET INTO THEIR RETURN ON INVESTMENT. YOU ARE RIGHT. MAYBE THE GUY THAT WANTS TO LAND -- MAYBE THEN THEY CAN BUILD FEWER HOMES AND MAKE MORE MONEY. NO ONE IS GOING TO DO THAT. WE LIVE IN A CAPITALISTIC SOCIETY. THAT IS A RETURN ON INVESTMENT. DIFFICULT TO -- WE DIDN'T GET TO THAT PART.

>> THANK YOU. >> HERE IS MY DEAL. HOW MANY TOWNHOUSES CAN THEY PUT IF THEY DO THAT? OR APARTMENTS.

>> 256. >> OKAY. YOU DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO VOTE ON IT. BELIEVE ME. I UNDERSTAND. YOU KNOW ME. MY DISTRICT. BUT SOMETHING IS GOING HERE. WE HAVE VOTED ON THIS AT LEAST THREE TIMES THAT I CAN REMEMBER AND WE HAVE OTHER THINGS TO GO HERE. THEY DIDN'T COME. I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED. SO THEY ARE COMING. DO WE WANT TOWNHOUSE ? DO WE WANT TO HUNDRED SOMETHING HOMES? THIS IS THE BEST CASE SCENARIO. WE ARE GOING TO HAVE AFFORDABLE HOUSING THERE IF WE DON'T DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS. AND I KNOW IT IS TERRIBLE. IT DOESN'T MATTER. BUT WHAT DO WE WANT ? WE HAVE A CHOICE. 200 HOMES. IS IT 61? 59. 59 HOMES . THAT IS OUR CHOICE. MOST LIKELY THIS IS

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THAT'S IT. >> THANK YOU. I HAVE A MOTION.

DO I HAVE A SECOND? MOTION AND A SECOND. FURTHER DISCUSSION.

>> INTIMATED CONTINUANCE. WHY? >> WELL, BECAUSE I THOUGHT THERE MIGHT BE SOME OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE FURTHER DISCUSSIONS .

>> WE HAVE HAD APPROVAL. WE HAVE HAD CITIZENS.

>> WELL, THAT IS WHY I WAS KIND OF SURPRISED OR BEFUDDLED. WE HAVE BEEN THROUGH SOME COMMUNITY ADVISORY COMMITTEE THREE TIMES PLUS THE SIDE COMMUNITY MEETING. GOT UNANIMOUS APPROVAL. SO I REALLY DID NOT WANT TO GET A NEGATIVE .

>> I UNDERSTAND. >> MR. MILLER

>> COMMISSION HEARS CONSTANTLY, WE DON'T WANT ANYMORE DEVELOPMENT.

THAT IS WHERE WE ARE AT. WE HEAR IT EVERY SINGLE DAY. MULTIPLE TIMES. WE UNDERSTAND. TRUST ME.

>> COMMISSIONER, JUST WANTED TO REMIND YOU IT IS TWO SEPARATE

VOTES . >> SO I'M VOTING ON THE FIRST.

>> AND I DO WANT TO SAY, MR. MILLER, YOU ARE ONE OF OUR BEST WHO REPRESENTS CLIENTS. YOU ARE NOT THE ACTUAL OWNER. YOU REPRESENT THE PERSPECTIVE -- PROSPECTIVE BUYER , AND I JUST WANT TO SAY YOU ARE THE CONSUMMATE PROFESSIONAL AND REALLY WORK WELL . I KNOW ONE OF THE CAC MEETINGS FOR THIS HAD OVER 60 RESIDENTS COME OUT, AND SO I APPRECIATE YOUR WILLINGNESS YOU UNDERSTAND HOW I FEEL . AND I APPRECIATE THAT MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS UNDERSTAND THAT TOO. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?

>> YEAH, CHAIR. I JUST WANTED TO AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER BURKE'S COMMENTS. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT BEFORE YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BECOME A COMMISSIONER AND READ ALL OF THE GUIDELINES AND SEE HOW STATE LEGISLATION IMPACTS LOCAL GOVERNMENT , UNFORTUNATELY AS A COMMISSION WITH A LOT OF THESE REZONINGS, OUR HINES ARE -- HANDS ARE BECOMING TIED SO MUCH SO THAT THERE WILL BE CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES THROUGH THE LIVE LOCAL ACT THAT WE WON'T GET TO VOTE ON. YOU WON'T SEE THE YELLOW SIGN. YOU WILL SEE SOMETHING COME IN THREE TIMES THE AMOUNT THAT REZONING WOULD HAVE COME IN. SO I WOULD ADVISE YOU TO REACH OUT TO YOUR STATE LEGISLATOR. LET THEM KNOW THAT YOU WANT LOCAL RULE. YOU WANT LOCAL CONTROL OVER LOCAL REZONINGS BECAUSE IF WE DON'T START SEEING SOME OF THE CHANGE IN LEGISLATION , WHAT WE ARE DOING BECOMES IRRELEVANT . AND THAT IS SOMETHING I DON'T THINK ANY OF US WANT. COMMISSIONER BURKE MADE A LOT OF REALLY GOOD POINTS. MR. MILLER, I SECOND COMMISSIONER CONDON'S COMMENTS. YOU REALLY DO TRY TO DO WHAT IS BEST FOR THE COMMUNITY . UNFETTERED GROWTH IS NOT GOOD, BUT SMART AND STRATEGIC GROWTH CAN HELP A COMMUNITY. AND YOU MENTIONED -- BY THE WAY, COMMISSIONER CONDON, YOUR CAC IS ONE OF THE TOUGHEST OUT OF ALL OF THE CACS IN CLAY COUNTY. THE FACT THEY HEARD IT MULTIPLE TIMES AND UNANIMOUSLY APPROVED IT SPEAKS A LOT, WHICH IS WHY I SECONDED THE FIRST MOTION.

>> MY FINAL COMMENT TO THAT WOULD BE , COMMISSIONER BURKE, I APPRECIATE ALL OF WHAT YOU ARE SAYING AND REALLY I THINK YOU'RE DOING THE RIGHT THING FOR THE COMMUNITY IN YOUR MINDS . AND I APPRECIATE THAT. COMMISSIONER BURKE MADE A STATEMENT ON A DIFFERENT PROPERTY IN HER DISTRICT AND YOU SAID, I HAVE NEVER VOTED IN FAVOR OF DEVELOPMENT IN MY DISTRICT AND I'M NOT GOING TO START NOW. AND THAT HAD SUCH AN IMPACT. I WENT HOME THAT NIGHT. LIKE I SAID, THIS IS THE FIRST TIME . I JUST DON'T -- THAT IS WHERE I AM. I KNOW YOU HEAR ME. I'M DONE TALKING ABOUT IT. ALL RIGHT. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, INDICATE BY SAYING AYE. THOSE DEPOSED ? MOTION CARRIES, 3-2. WE HAVE ITEM B.

REZONING CHANGE. >> I MOVE APPROVAL.

>> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THAT? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, INDICATE BY SAYING AYE. THOSE OPPOSED . THAT MOTION CARRIES, 3-2. THANK YOU FOR EVERYONE'S

[38.  Final Public Hearing to consider PUD 25-0008 ( District 5, Comm. Burke) (D. Selig)]

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>> OH, THAT'S RIGHT. AND I DON'T HAVE A CARD YET. THANKS, HELENA. ALL RIGHT. DODIE. ITEM NUMBER 38. FINAL LOOKING TO CONSIDER P.U.D. 25-008.

>> GOOD EVENING. THIS ITEM OVER HERE. HAS THREE PARTS. I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU THE PRESENTATION AND THEN ASK THE BOARD'S PERMISSION TO EXPAND ON THOSE THREE PARTS AT THE END OF THE PRESENTATION RATHER THAN DEVELOPMENT LLC . IT IS ON THE EAST SIDE OF HANLEY ROAD AT THE CORNER WITH INTERSECTION COUNTY ROAD 218 AND IT IS IN LAKE ASBURY . COMMISSIONER BURKE'S DISTRICT. THE APPLICATION CHANGE THE ZONING FROM PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT P.U.D. AND LAKE ASBURY RULE FRINGE PLAN UNIT DEVELOPMENT P.U.D.. LETTERS WERE MAILED OUT TO ALL OF THE PARCELS IN BLUE ON THE MAP ON THE RIGHT AND SIGNS WERE POSTED. THESE TWO SURVEYS -- THE ONE ON THE LEFT IS A FULL PARCEL AND A PORTION OF A PARCEL OWNED. ON THE RIGHT IN THE LITTLE GREEN TRIANGLE ON THE BOTTOM OF THE SCREEN THERE, THAT IS A PORTION OF A PARCEL THAT IS OWNED BY CLAY COUNTY THAT IS ALSO TENTATIVELY INCLUDED IN THIS PROJECT. THIS WOULD BE THE OUTLINE OF THE ENTIRE PROJECT WITH THE COUNTY PORTION. ON THE LEFT . YOU CAN SEE THE SMALL PORTION THAT IS COUNTY OWNED IS THE UPLAND AREA ON A PARCEL THAT ENCLOSES A STORM WATER POND THAT WAS THERE FOR DRAINAGE FROM THE ROAD. SO THIS PORTION DOES NOT IMPACT THAT STORMWATER. IT IS A FLAT AND FAIRLY LEVEL AREA. ON THE LEFT IS THE EXISTING ZONING GRID ON THE RIGHT IS THE PROPOSED ZONING. THIS PARCEL IS PART OF AN EXISTING P.U.D. IT WAS A COMMERCIAL INTENDED TO BE A COMMERCIAL SITE THAT WAS RELATED TO THAT ROYAL POINT DEVELOPMENT P.U.D. TO THE NORTH , WHICH IS THE RESIDENTIAL PORTION. WHAT IS PROPOSED THIS GENERAL OUTLINE . SO WE HAVE A CONVENIENCE STORE WITH GAS STATION SALES AND THEN A FUTURE PORTION OF A PARCEL FOR A RETAIL OFFICE TYPE OF USE WITH ACCESS ON HENLEY , 2A, AND THEN THE PURPOSE OF THAT , INCLUDING THE PORTION OF COUNTY OWNED PARCEL , WOULD BE TO HAVE ACCESS ONTO COUNTY ROAD 218. THE P.U.D.

INCLUDES CONVENIENCE STORE USE NOW AND HAD A LIMITATION OF 4000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING. THE PROPOSED P.U.D. WOULD GO TO 5200 SQUARE FEET. THE BUILDING. RETAIL COMMERCIAL OFFICE USE .

EXCUSE ME. NOT BEING PROPOSED TO BE CHANGED. 16,800 SQUARE FEET .

THE GASOLINE SALES IS ACTUALLY THE SAME . IT IS BEING RECONFIGURED. WHEN I SPOKE WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION IF YOU WATCH , WE HAD AN INTERPRETATION THAT IT WAS EIGHT MONTHS GOING TO 16 . WE LOOKED AT THAT AFTER THE MEETING AND CAME TO THE CONCLUSION THAT , NO, THE ORIGINAL P.U.D. ALLOWED THE 16 PUMPS. SO THAT'S NOT REALLY A CHANGE. IT IS A CHANGE IN THE ISLAND LAYOUT. THE CAR WASH USE WOULD BE ADDED UNDER THIS POST P.U.D. . ALSO RESTAURANT , ALCOHOL, RETAIL AUTO-PARTS . AND THEN DAY CARE WOULD BE ADDED AS A POTENTIAL CONDITIONAL USE .

THE ALLOWED USES ASIDE FROM THE ONES LISTED HERE -- THE ORIGINAL

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HOWEVER , ON THE SIDE , THE EXISTING P.U.D. SITS AT 25 FOOT LANDSCAPE BUFFER TO BE MAINTAINED ON THE PART PARCEL.

THE PROPOSED P.U.D. AS A SIX FOOT VINYL FENCE INSTALLED ON THAT. THE ORIGINAL P.U.D. REQUIRED ALL BUILDINGS AND THE GAS ISLAND STRUCTURES TO HAVE PITCHED ROOFS. THE PROPOSED P.U.D. WOULD BE A FLAT ROOF -- A FLAT ROOF FOR THE STATION. JUST THE CANOPY PART OF IT. THERE IS NO CHANGE TO THE BUILDING FACADE REQUIREMENTS. THERE IS A CHANGE TO CONNECTIVITY . THE ORIGINAL P.U.D. -- WILL SHOW YOU WHEN WE GET TO A LITTLE LATER SLIDE. TO THE EAST, THE PARK THAT I REFERENCED -- IT IS BIFURCATED BY WHAT WAS GOING TO BE AN ALLEY THAT WOULD CONNECT WITH THIS PARCEL. THE THOUGHT BEING THAT I GUESS RESIDENTS IN THEIR CARS WOULD WANT TO TRAVERSE THAT ROUTE . HOWEVER, IT SPLITS THE PARK IN HALF . AND FOR SAFETY SAKE , THAT IS JUST NOT A GOOD SCENARIO. THE ALLEY AT THIS TIME IS A CUL-DE-SAC . IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT PARCEL. THERE IS A LATER SIDE THAT SHOWS THE APPLICANTS ARE INTENDING TO PROVIDE SIDEWALK ACCESS TO THE NEW PART OR THE COMMERCIAL PORTION . AND I WILL SHOW YOU THAT IN JUST A SECOND. ON OCTOBER 9TH , THE CAC VOTED 10-0 TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL . THEY RECOMMENDED THE INCLUSION OF THE FENCE OR SOME OTHER FORM OF SEPARATION NEXT TO THE PARK . ON NOVEMBER 4TH, THE PLANNING COMMISSION VOTED 7-0 TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE ITEM.

STAFF THAT REZONING CRITERIA AND RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF P.U.D. 25 2008 . SORRY. WITH THE THREE ITEMS -- I'M SORRY. I WILL GO BACK TO THAT SLIDE . SHOWED IT TO YOU. THE SIDEWALK THAT THEY ARE PROPOSING COMES UP FROM HERE AND CONNECTS . SO THERE WOULD BE ACCESS THIS WAY AND IT EXTENDS INTO THE PARK AREA OVER HERE AND COMES DOWN . SO THERE IS RESIDENTIAL ROAD RIGHT ABOUT HERE. EXISTING ACCESS TO THE PARK. THERE IS THE END OF THE CUL-DE-SAC. THE ALLEY WAS SUPPOSED TO COME THROUGH HERE.

SO THE PROPOSAL NOW IS TO LEAVE THIS ALONE AND ALLOW THE SIDEWALK HERE CONNECTION TO PROVIDE THAT ACCESS. IT IS A SAFER ROUTE. ITEM A THAT YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU IS A CONSIDERATION OF WHETHER YOU WISH TO INCLUDE THE COUNTY 'S PORTION OF THE PARCEL AND AUTHORIZE THE COUNTY MANAGER TO SIGN THE APPLICATION. BLANK APPLICATION WAS INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET . AND THEN B WOULD BE THE SALE PORTION OF PARCEL IF YOU WISH TO DO SO. COUNTY MANAGER AND CLOSING DOCUMENTS. C IS CONSIDERATION OF REZONING OF ALL PARCELS IF YOU OPT NOT TO INCLUDE THE PORTION THAT IS THE COUNTY PROPERTY . CERTAINLY THEN THAT WILL ONLY APPLY TO THE RE- P.U.D. OF EXISTING PARCELS .

>> WHAT IS THE COUNTY OWNED PARCEL?

>> IT IS THIS TRIANGLE PIECE RIGHT HERE.

>> THEY WOULD NOT HAVE AN ENTRANCE.

>> IT WOULD MEAN THEY WOULD NOT HAVE AN ENTRANCE. THEY HAVE TWO WAY ENTRANCE -- EXCUSE ME. THEY WOULD NOT HAVE ACCESS ONTO

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OFF OF HENLEY. >> IF WE COULD GO BACK TO THE NEW USES FROM DIFFERENT FROM THE EXISTING P.U.D. , WE ARE ADDING --

APPLICANT WILL HAVE TO -- >> THAT WAS NOT DISCUSSED .

>> YES. MR. MILLER IS HERE. >> I BELIEVE IT WAS AN EXISTING P.U.D. BECAUSE THE EXISTING P.U.D. ALLOWED BB THREE USES.

AND SO IT ALLOWED -- >> I WAS WONDERING WHY IT WAS ON

THAT COLUMN THAT IS NOW ALLOWED. >> TRYING TO MOVE IT -- MOVE THE USES TO THE BB BA USES, WHICH ARE MORE NEIGHBORLY AND LESS INTENSE. BUT WE DIDN'T WANT TO LOSE THAT AS A POSSIBLE USE.

>> I WANT TO LOSE IT. THERE'S TOO MANY OF THOSE. SO I THINK BECAUSE -- AND IS THAT FOR THE WHOLE PROPERTY OR IS THAT FOR

THAT BUILDING IN THE BACK? >> IT IS BASICALLY FOR THE

BUILDING IN THE BACK. >> YEAH. BECAUSE THAT WAS OUR DISCUSSION WAS THAT THEY LISTEN TO THE PEOPLE AND THE PEOPLE WANT A RESTAURANT. IF THERE IS A WAY WE CAN GET THAT --

>> I THINK -- >> I UNDERSTAND.

>> THAT IS MY VOTE , GUYS. REMEMBER, Y'ALL TOLD ME THAT.

>> THE APPLICANT WISHES TO DELETE THE AUTO-PARTS . THE USE

FROM THE AMENDED P.U.D. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? MR. MILLER, DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING

>> I WILL MAKE IT BRIEF BECAUSE I KNOW Y'ALL MAY BE HERE A WHILE. I'M JUST REMINDING YOU THIS IS AN AMENDMENT TO AN EXISTING P.U.D. THAT WAS ADOPTED IN 2004 . BACK THEN, CONVENIENCE STORES WERE ONE THING AND NOW THEY ARE SOMETHING DIFFERENT.

NOW THEY OFFER MORE FOOD ITEMS -- MORE ITEMS GENERALLY. THE CONFIGURATION OF THE PUMPS . THE INDUSTRY HAS LEARNED THAT WHAT THEY'RE SUGGESTING HERE IS THE SAFER WAY TO DO IT. WE ARE NOT AMENDING ANY OF THE RESIDENTIAL PORTION OF THE P.U.D. . IT IS SOLELY THIS COMMERCIAL PIECE, AND WE THINK WE HAVE TONED DOWN THE USES THAT WOULD OTHERWISE HAVE BEEN AVAILABLE , ONE OF WHICH WAS A STRIP CLUB UNDER THE EXISTING P.U.D., AND THAT NOW WOULD NOT BE AN AVAILABLE USE . SO WE THINK IT IS A GOOD THING.

AND IF I COULD JUST COMMENT FOR A MOMENT -- AND I DON'T KNOW HOW WE ARE GOING TO DECIDE ON THIS CHRONOLOGICALLY OR WHATEVER. THE REASON FOR THE LITTLE PIECE FROM THE COUNTY IS , FIRST, IT IS NOT ACTUALLY BEING USED FOR STORMWATER MANAGEMENT. IT IS UP THE BANK . AND IT IS JUST KIND OF BECAUSE IT FIT IN THERE. AND SO WE ARE NOT HURTING THE COUNTY'S ABILITY TO DRAIN INTO THAT POND OR USE THAT POND. WE WON'T BE USING IT. WE'VE GOT OUR OWN. AND WHEN WE GET TO IT, THE CONTRACT FOR THE PURCHASE REQUIRES THAT WE MODIFY TO THE EXTENT WE HAVE TO MODIFY THE COUNTY'S PERMIT FOR THAT POND, WE WILL DO IT ON OUR NICKEL AND GET IT DONE BEFORE WE CAN BUY THE PROPERTY. THE PRIMARY REASON IS TO ALLOW FOR AN ACCESS OFF OF 218 FAR ENOUGH BACK FROM THE HENLEY INTERSECTION THAT IT IS NOT A PROBLEM WITH THE TRANSPORTATION WITH TRAFFIC. IF THE COUNTY WERE TO DECIDE NOT TO SELL THE 10TH OF AN ACRE PARCEL , THEN WE WOULD HAVE TO REVISE OUR PLAN AND TRY TO PUSH THE ACCESS FURTHER TOWARD HENLEY , WHICH IS JUST NOT A GOOD IDEA. I DON'T WANT TO BELABOR IT, BUT I WOULD BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY

QUESTIONS YOU HAVE. >> ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. MILLER ? OKAY. I WILL GO AHEAD AND OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. I DO HAVE ONLY TWO CARDS THAT ARE WAIVING SPEAKING AGAINST THIS ITEM . MS. PATRICIA FERNANDEZ AND TERESA . IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK?

>> HELENA. I'M ALSO ON THE LAKE ASBURY CITIZENS ADVISORY

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>> ANYONE THAT HAD QUESTIONS ON THAT? THANK YOU FOR YOUR

WILLINGNESS. >> ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU.

>> ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? SEEING NONE, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND BRING IT BACK. WE NEED TO DISCLOSE EX PARTE COMMUNICATION. THE ONLY EX PARTE COMMUNICATION I HAD ON THIS ITEM WAS I SPOKE WITH A REAL ESTATE AGENT WHO WAS INVOLVED IN THE DEAL. I SPOKE WITH THE DEVELOPER REGARDING WHAT THEY WERE PROPOSING . ANY OTHER EX PARTE COMMUNICATION? ALL RIGHT. SO I GUESS , JODY, YOU WOULD LIKE US TO CONSIDER ITEM A IS, ARE WE WILLING TO CONSIDER CHANGING THE ZONING OF

THE COUNTY OWNED PARCEL? >> I THINK YOU CAN TAKE A AND B

TOGETHER. THEY REALLY GO >> SO BASICALLY IF WE ARE WILLING TO SELL IT, WILL CHANGE THE ZONING SO THEY CAN USE IT.

>> SO IT CAN BE INCORPORATED AS PART OF THE P.U.D. JUST NOTE THAT UNDER THE PURCHASE AND SALE AGREEMENT IT IS A REQUIREMENT THAT IF THEIR SALE DOES NOT GO THROUGH, THEY ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR GETTING REZONED BACK OUT OF THE P.U.D.

>> AND IF THEIR SALE DOES NOT GO THROUGH, DOES IT DEFER BACK TO

THE COUNTY? >> YES. THEY ARE REQUIRED TO HAVE IT REZONED BACK TO THE COUNTY .

>> GOT IT. SO THAT IS WHAT WE'RE CONSIDERING. IS EVERYONE CLEAR ON THAT, WHAT WE ARE CONSIDERING FOR A AND B? I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION. WE HAVE A SECOND? OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, INDICATE BY SAYING AYE. THOSE OPPOSED. MOTION CARRIES, 5-0. OKAY. SO NOW IS THE ACTUAL CONSIDERATION OF THE REZONING OF THE WHOLE PARCEL , INCLUDING THE COUNTY PIECE , CORRECT?

>> CORRECT. AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS TO INCLUDE DELETION OF THE

AUTO-PARTS. >> CORRECT.

>> WHAT ABOUT CAR WASH. IS THAT IN THIS ?

>> YES. >> I THOUGHT IT WAS IN BOTH OF

THEM. >> IT IS CERTAINLY IN THE --

YEAH. >> YOU PLAN ON HAVING A CAR WASH? BECAUSE THE PROBLEM I SEE IS THAT THE NEIGHBORS ARE RIGHT THERE NEXT TO IT. AND OTHER AREAS IN OUR COUNTY PEOPLE COMPLAIN ABOUT NOISE . AND SO I KNOW -- I WILL TELL YOU THE WONDERFUL THING I HAVE FELT ABOUT WHENEVER WE SPOKE AND WHAT Y'ALL HAVE PROPOSED IS THAT YOU SAID YOU LISTENED TO PEOPLE AND THAT IS WONDERFUL. I REALLY AM -- JUST REALLY A WONDERFUL THING TO ME. YOU COULD HAVE HAD -- THE WHOLE THING COULD HAVE BEEN A GAS STATION. YOU WOULDN'T HAVE EVEN THOUGHT ABOUT HAVING A RESTAURANT. SO I APPRECIATE THAT AND THANK YOU FOR THAT. BUT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE CAR WASH DEAL. THAT IS SOMETHING I DIDN'T THINK ABOUT. SO IS THERE ANYTHING WE CAN DO ABOUT THAT? MR. MILLER? IS THAT SOMETHING THAT REALLY MAKES OR BREAKS A GAS STATION? I DON'T THINK IT DOES. WE HAVESO MANY CAR WASHES

ALREADY. >> I MEAN, I VAGUELY RECALL SOMETHING THE CAC WAS INTERESTED IN AND WAS FINE WITH.

>> SHE SAID THERE WAS AN ISSUE. >> AM I ALLOWED TO?

>> OH, YEAH. >> SO OBVIOUSLY WE ARE VERY GRATEFUL ABOUT THE BB3 BEING REDUCED AND USED BEING CHANGED TO REDUCE . I'VE MADE THE RECOMMENDATION ON THE GAS STATION THAT IF THEY WANTED TO ADD A CAR WASH TO THE GAS STATION, SO BE IT. I WOULD'VE BEEN SUPPORTIVE ON THAT. BUT HAVING THAT EXTRA SPACE COULD ACTUALLY END UP BEING ITS OWN CAR WASH. I HAD HESITATION ON THAT BECAUSE LAKE ASBURY MASTER PLAN FOR THE DESIGN OUT THERE IS JUST NOT MADE FOR THAT AND TO ME I THINK IT LINED UP WITH THE AREA THERE AND WE HAVE SO MANY ON LANDING. BUT THINGS THAT WERE HAVING THE REDUCTION OF THE USAGES . I WENT AHEAD AND STILL SUPPORTED THE IDEA, BUT I DO SEE THAT OBVIOUSLY IT COULD STILL BE AN ISSUE THAT THE ENTIRE OTHER PARCEL MAY -- COULD BE A CAR WASH INSTEAD OF A RESTAURANT OR

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>> TO REITERATE, YOU'RE SAYING THEY WERE OKAY WITH A GAS STATION. HAVING A CAR WASH ATTACHED TO A GAS STATION YET

NOT -- >> THEY -- I WAS THE ONE PERSONALLY THAT HAD VOICED -- I WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE OF -- I TRY TO GET IT TIED TO THE GAS STATION. THE REST OF THE COUNCIL DID NOT SEE THAT THAT WAS NECESSARY AS MUCH AND THEY WERE OKAY WITH IT BEING A SEPARATE THE COMMERCIAL COMPONENT. AND SO I DID NOT VOTE AGAINST THE PROJECT MOVING FORWARD. THAT WOULD'VE BEEN ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WAS HESITANT. BUT ON THE COMPROMISE OF NOT HAVING A STRIP CLUB OR DIFFERENT THINGS THAT BB3 , THEY COULD HAVE LEFT THIS AT BB3 AND KEPT IT THERE AND NOT EVEN DONE THIS. AND SO OUT OF THAT COMPROMISE, I DID KIND OF CAVE ON THAT ONE, BUT I WOULD PERSONALLY -- ON THE PERSONAL LEVEL, WISH IT WOULD HAVE JUST BEEN A CAR WASH TIED TO A GAS STATION THAT WOULD'VE BEEN OKAY VERSUS IT BEING ALLOWED ON THE COMMERCIAL COMPONENT . BUT WE ARE VERY GRATEFUL FOR THE

REDUCTION . >> YES. MY MOM TAUGHT ME DOESN'T EVER HURT TO ASK. SO I'M ASKING , WHAT IS YOUR TAKE ON THAT? BECAUSE OF COURSE YOU ARE SAYING A RESTAURANT IS WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING, BUT WE ALL KNOW THAT WHAT HAPPENS A LOT OF TIMES AFTER A SALE GOES THROUGH AND FINALLY SOMEBODY ELSE DECIDES TO BUY IT, THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN THE CAR WASH COMES IN.

WHAT WOULD YOU SAY ABOUT THAT, MR. MILLER?

>> I CAN'T PREDICT THE FUTURE. I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. THERE WILL CERTAINLY BE A CONVENIENCE STORE THERE. IS ON THE SITE PLAN. AND I THINK THE APPLICANT'S DESIRE JUST TO HAVE THE AVAILABLE USES THAT POTENTIALLY COULD BE WHETHER IT IS ON THE CAR WASH -- THE CONVENIENCE STORE AS PART OF THAT OR CONCEIVABLY SOMETHING SEPARATE. BUT THERE IS A TREMENDOUS BUFFER AROUND THIS PROPERTY FOR NEIGHBORS.

>> NOT ON THE EAST SIDE. >> THERE IS A 25 FOOT VEGETATIVE TREE BUFFER THERE . IT IS NOT NONEXISTENT. CERTAINLY ON THE

NORTH YOU HAVE GOT -- >> BUT THAT DOESN'T HELP THE SOUND. THAT DOESN'T HELP THE NOISE OF THE CAR WASH. I WOULD ASK -- I'M OKAY WITH IT BEING A GAS STATION AND CONVENIENCE STORE BUT I WOULD NOT LIKE IT TO BE --

>> GIVE ME A MINUTE . >> THANK YOU. WE CERTAINLY KNOW ABOUT -- I DON'T KNOW IF , COMMISSIONER SGROMOLO, IF YOU ARE ON THE COMMISSION WHEN WE HAD A SITUATION IN COMMISSONER COMPERE'S DISTRICT WHERE THE CAR WASHER BLOWERS WERE VERY LOUD IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. IS AT THE GATE GAS STATION? I'VE GOT A LOT OF EMAILS. THERE IS ONE ON LANDING. I DON'T KNOW IF I WAS THE ONLY ONE TO RECEIVE COMPLAINTS, BUT IT WAS A LOT OF COMPLAINTS ON IT, AND IT WAS THE SOUND.

>> THE LOVE CAR WASH RIGHT OFF OF ROYAL PINES AND PLANTATION PARKWAY . AND WE DID . WE STARTED GETTING MULTIPLE COMPLAINTS ON IT. COUNTY STAFF WENT OUT . THEY PARTNERED WITH THE CAR WASH AND THEY WERE ABLE TO CHANGE SOME OF THE -- I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT YOU WERE CALLING IT, BUT THEY JUST CHANGED THE ABOUT-FACE OF THE BLOWERS SO THAT THE NOISE COULD BE REDIRECTED BACK ONTO THE CAR WASH PROPERTY AND ONTO THE ROAD

. HOWARD, IF YOU WANT TO ADD. >> YEAH, IT WAS -- THOSE PUMPS NEED TO BE ENCLOSED . SO WE WENT OUT THERE. WE INSPECTED IT. AT FIRST, WE WERE LIKE, THERE IS NO WAY IT COULD BE THIS LOUD, AND IT WAS. WE WENT OUT. WE DROVE THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND SO CHARISSE CONTACTED THE OWNER, AND THEY RECONFIGURED IT AND ENCLOSED THEM. AN AWFUL LOT. SO IT WOULD HAVE TO BE THAT SAME TYPE OF STANDARD BECAUSE IT IS NOISY.

>> YEAH. I DID. SO BASED ON -- BECAUSE MINE WAS IN THE MASTER PLAN. HERS WAS ACTUALLY -- AND SO WE WERE ACTUALLY ABLE TO CHANGE -- CHARISSE, DO YOU REMEMBER OFF THE TOP OF YOUR HEAD IF WE ACTUALLY CHANGED THE LANGUAGE IN THE MASTER PLAN TO MIMIC THAT A CAR WASH HAS TO HAVE THOSE -- THE ENCLOSURES? WE JUST SAID WE WERE GOING TO MIMIC IN THAT PLAN?

>> WE WROTE AN ORDINANCE THAT ALLOWED FOR VERY SPECIFIC.

>> BASED ON WHAT THEY DID. SO IF THIS COMES TO WHERE THERE HAS TO BE A CAR WASH ON THIS LOCATION, THERE IS PRECEDENTIAL -- I'M

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PRECEDENCE FOR LANGUAGE. >> I KNOW I'M NOT THE ONLY ONE THAT RECEIVES NUMEROU POSTS ON FACEBOOK, NUMEROUS EMAILS ABOUT OUR COUNTY EVER HAS IS CAR WASHES, DOLLAR GENERAL'S . THIS IS A TIME WE ARE ASKING, WHY DO WE NEED ANOTHER CAR WASH? JUST ANOTHER PART OF THIS, I FEEL LIKE . SO WE ALWAYS TELL THEM WE DON'T HAVE A WAY TO VOTE IT OUT. WELL, YES, SIR.

>> LET ME JUST POINT OUT, THE CAR WASH IS IN THE EXISTING P.U.D.. IT IS A USE. AND THEY WOULD RATHER NOT ELIMINATE IT .

BUT IF THE ANSWER IS, IF IT IS NOT ELIMINATED, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE APPROVED, THEN WE WILL ELIMINATE IT.

>> THERE'S TONS OF OTHER STUFF YOU CAN HAVE THERE BESIDES A CAR WASH. SO THAT IS MY MOTION. NO CAR WASH. I'M FINE WITH THAT.

WORD IT THAT WAY. NO STANDALONE CAR WASH . YES. AND WHAT WAS THE OTHER ? AUTO PARTS. SO THAT IS YOUR MOTION? OKAY. IS THERE A

SECOND? >> I WILL SECOND THE MOTION.

>> OKAY. WE HAVE EMOTION AT A SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING ON, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, INDICATE BY SAYING AYE. AYE.

THOSE OPPOSED. MOTION CARRIES, 5-0. THANK YOU, GUYS. MADE YOU

[CONSENT AGENDA]

LIKE TO PULL FOR DISCUSSION? >> I WOULD LIKE TO PULL ITEM

NUMBER SEVEN. >> ANY OTHER ITEMS POLLED FOR

DISCUSSION? >> I WOULD LIKE TO PULL NUMBER

EIGHT. >> ITEMS NUMBER SEVEN AND EIGHT.

ANYTHING ELSE? ALL RIGHT. I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF THE CONSENT AGENDA. MINUS ITEMS NUMBER SEVEN AND EIGHT.

>> WOULD LIKE TO MOVE APPROVAL OF THE CONSENT AGENDA MINUS

ITEMS SEVEN AND EIGHT . >> SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. FUTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, INDICATE BY SAYING AYE. THOSE OPPOSED . MOTION CARRIES, 5-0. THANK YOU

[7.  RFP No. 24/25-070, Conservation and Land Management Services (K. Smith)]

ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, COMMISSIONER SGROMOLO.

>> THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. I WOULD LIKE TO BRING THIS ITEM BEFORE THE COMMISSION TO HAVE SOME DISCUSSION. AND WHO IS THE STAFF THAT IS PULLING ON THE LAND CONSERVATION?

>> DODI. >> DODI OR KAREN.

>> OKAY. SO THANK YOU, DODI. SOME QUESTIONS I HAVE REGARDING THIS ITEM . A COUPLE THINGS. I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT FOR THE RESIDENTS OF CLAY COUNTY TO SEE THIS IN ACTION WHEN THEY VOTED LAST ELECTION IN TWO APPROVE .2 MILS FOR LAND CONSERVATION. THIS IS NOW THE NEXT ACTION STEP IN THAT IN CONVERSATION AND LAND MANAGEMENT SERVICES. MY QUESTION IS, WILL THIS RFP BE USED ONLY WITH THOSE FUNDS ? OR ARE THESE SERVICES FOR OTHER PROPERTIES THAT ARE NOT ASSOCIATED WITH THE LAND CONSERVATION COMMITTEE?

>> SO THE CONTRACT -- THE INTENT OF HAVING THIS CONTRACT IS TO KIND OF BE ABLE TO PROVIDE SERVICES ON A CONTRACTED BASIS KIND OF INDIVIDUALLY FOR PROPERTIES THAT EITHER WE ALREADY OWN OR MIGHT ACQUIRE OUTSIDE OF THE CONSERVATION -- FOREST FARMS CONSERVATION PROGRAM, OR PROPERTIES THAT WE WOULD ACQUIRE AND MANAGE UNDER THAT PROGRAM . SO THE FUNDING PORTIONS WOULD BE DIFFERENT . SO IF IT IS NOT PART OF THE FARMS PROGRAM, THEN IT IS GOING TO -- IT MIGHT BE A GRANT. KAREN CAN TALK MORE DEEPLY ABOUT THAT, BUT IT WOULD BE NOT PART OF THE TWO MILLS. THE TWO MILLS IS LIMITED TO PROPERTIES THAT ARE UNDER -- THAT ARE ACQUIRED UNDER THE PROGRAM.

>> OKAY. >> I THINK DODI EXPLAINED THAT JUST PERFECT. THERE IS SOME USES WE COULD USE THE CONTRACT FOR.

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WOULD BE BROUGHT BACK. >> THIS COULD BE THAT THEY LOOK AT EXISTING PROPERTY OR LARGE TRACTS OF PROPERTY IN OTHER WAYS. WE WOULD JUST SECURE THEM SO WE HAVE THEIR SERVICE ON HAND

AS NEEDED. >> THIS IS ALL A CART RFP SO WE WOULD ONLY BE CHARGED FOR SERVICES THAT WE ASK FOR. THE LAST IS IN THE -- IN MY BRIEF -- EXCUSE ME -- ONE THING THAT WAS ALSO HEARD WAS THAT THROUGH THIS AND THROUGH THEIR EVALUATIONS OF PROPERTIES, WE CAN ALSO FIND WAYS TO INCREASE REVENUE THROUGH OUR CONSERVED PROPERTIES. THAT IS GOOD. THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT.

>> GOOD EXAMPLE COULD USE THEM TO TELL US HOW, WHEN, WHERE, AND WHY.

>> MADAM CHAIR, I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER

SEVEN. >> SECOND.

>> I WOULD JUST ADD THAT ONE OF THE THINGS WE FOUND THROUGH THE LAKE GENEVA RESTORATION -- THE ORIGINAL BID THAT CAME BACK -- REMEMBER WE HAD DELEGATED THAT TO THE CITY OF KEYSTONE HEIGHTS WHEN THINGS CAME BACK IS THAT A TREE IS NOT A TREE IN THE TIMBER WORLD, AND SO ONE OF THE THINGS WE MAY END UP FINDING IS THAT IN VETERANS PARK, WE MAY WANT TO CUT DOWN AND TIMBER THE TREES THERE AND NOT MAKE AS MUCH MONEY INITIALLY AND THEN REPLANT FOR THE PURPOSE OF TIMBERING. THEN YOU HAVE TO -- THEY HAVE TO LIMB THE TREES AND THINGS LIKE THAT SO THAT THEY GROW STRAIGHTER .

THEY GROW STRAIGHTER SO THEN THEY CAN BE USED FOR THINGS THAT GENERATE MORE REVENUE , LIKE TO BUY FOURS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

SO THAT IS ONE EXAMPLE THAT COULD COME BACK TO US AS A RECOMMENDATION SINCE NOTHING HAS BEEN DONE ON THIS PROPERTY FOR 40 YEARS. IT MAY NOT BE INITIALLY WORTH AS MUCH TO TIMBER AS IT COULD BE IN THE FUTURE. SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND

[8.  RFQ No. 24/25-127, Construction Manager at Risk (CMAR) services for Substance Use Disorder Recovery Center (K. Smith)]

>> I JUST WANTED TO PULL THIS. I THINK ALL OF THE CONTRACTORS THAT WERE INTERVIEWED WOULD BE ADEQUATE. THE ONLY QUESTION I HAVE IS -- THE ONLY COMMENT I HAVE IS THE SCORES ARE PRETTY CLOSE. I DON'T KNOW THAT WE WOULD WANT THE QUESTION TO THE COMMISSION WOULD BE DO WE WANT TO BRING IN THE TOP THREE TO

BRIEF US OR FORGO THAT? >> I WOULD AGREE WITH YOU THAT ALL OF THE CONTRACTORS THAT ARE LISTED -- MULTIPLE PROJECTS IN CLAY COUNTY . I GUESS THE QUESTION MAY BE FOR KAREN -- THE SCOPE -- MAYBE IT IS NOT OR MAYBE IT IS. THIS IS A RENOVATION OF AN EXISTING STRUCTURE, CORRECT?

>> CORRECT. THIS IS THE PROPERTY WE PURCHASED ON COUNTY ROAD 220

RECENTLY. >> NOT TO GET TOO DEEP IN THE WEEDS, BUT ARE WE GIVING THEM THE SITE PLAN? OR HOW DOES THAT

WORK? >> WE HAVE A FIRM THAT IS UNDER CONTRACT TO DO THE DESIGN. THEY START WORKING WITH THEM . 30 60% SO THEY ARE GIVING A GOOD CONSTRUCTION FEEDBACK DURING THE DESIGN PHASE. IT IS THE PURPOSE .

>> THE REASON I ASK IS USUALLY WITH A PRESENTATION THERE IS AN AESTHETIC DIFFERENCE. A TIME DIFFERENCE. THIS IS LIKE A RENOVATION OF AN ALREADY EXISTING BUILDING. SO I DON'T KNOW. I WOULD BE OKAY LISTENING TO PRESENTATIONS.

>> TOTALLY DIFFERENT USE OF THE BUILDING FOR OUR USE. BUT EITHER

OPTION WOULD BE FINE. >> I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION

THAT WE BRING THE TOP THREE IN. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, INDICATE BY SAYING AYE. THOSE OPPOSED , MOTION CARRIES, 5-0.

>> IS THAT WHAT YOU WOULD ? >> YEAH.

>> ALL RIGHT. THANKS. ALL RIGHT. MOVING FORWARD TO -- HOLD ON.

[30.  Progress Report on the Bonded Transportation Program and Other Capital Projects (Capital Projects Team)]

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>> NO NAPS. JUST OLD AGE. GOOD EVENING TO THE BOARD THROUGH THE CHAIR.

MONTH . STARTING PROJECT NUMBER ONE . COUNTY ROAD 218 MASTERS PINETREE. ANDERSON COLUMBIA CONTINUE THEIR BIMONTHLY STAFF MEETINGS. THE COMPLETED PLACEMENT OF ON SITE NUMBER THREE. THE CONTINUED INSTALLATION OF DRAINAGE STRUCTURES, PIPES, DEMOLITION OF EXISTING DRIVEWAYS AND CONTINUED PAVEMENT REPAIRS FOR DRIVEWAYS AND PIPES ALONG THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE PROJECT. ANDERSON COLUMBIA CONTINUE PLACING SUBBASE, CURVING, SIDEWALK, LIMESTONE BASE AND PLACED A COAT IN THIS AREA. PAVING AND NEW TRAFFIC SWITCH IS ANTICIPATED OVER THE NEXT SEVERAL WEEKS . THIS PROJECT IS ON SCHEDULE WITH 57% PAID OUT IN 91% -- FOR CMAR GROUP TWO SPECIFICALLY WITH INAUDIBLE ] TRAFFIC CONTINUES FLOWING ON THE NORTH SIDE EAST OF THE RAILROAD TRACKS . INSTALLATION OF THE SUBBASE .

BASE MATERIALS. INSTALLATION OF STORM DRAIN PIPES AS WELL AS INSTALLATION OF CURVING AND SIDEWALK ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE SECTION OF ROAD. ALSO CONTINUE INSTALLING STORM DRAIN PIPES ALONG WITH SIDEWALK AND CURBING ALONG RUSSELL ROAD NORTH OF COUNTY ROAD 315 . NEW TRAFFIC SWITCH IS ANTICIPATED FOR EARLY TO MID DECEMBER. PROJECT ON SCHEDULE WITH 64% PAID OUT INAUDIBLE ] TIME USED. FOR PRODUCT NUMBER FIVE , CONTINUES TO TRACK -- PERMIT APPLICATION THROUGH THEIR PROCESS WHILE THEY ARE UNDER REVIEW. OCTOBER 29TH THE TEAM RECEIVED DRAFT SECTION 404 PERMIT PACKAGE. THE CORE REGULATIONS REQUIRE US OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW TERMS AND CONDITIONS PRIOR TO FINAL SIGNATURE. THE TEAM HAS REVIEWED AND PROVIDED RELATED TO THE MITIGATION BACK TO THE COURT. ONCE DISCREPANCY IS RESOLVED ON THE COURSE SITE, WE WILL BE ABLE TO PROCESS THE PERMIT AND FINAL SIGNATURES AND OBTAIN FINAL SIGNATURES. HOWEVER, THE GOVERNMENT FURLOUGH NOW SHUT DOWN IS HAVING AN IMPACT ON WHEN WE WILL OBTAIN THE FINAL SIGNATURES. COMPLETING THE FINAL DESIGN FOR THE POND LOCATION. ONCE THE DESIGN IS COMPLETE, W G.I. WILL REVIEW AND FINALIZE IMPACTS SO THE DESIGNER CAN THEN REST MODIFICATION. ALL WILL BE SIGNED AND SEALED FOR THE COUNTY WAITING FOR FINAL ISSUANCE OF THE COURT PERMIT AFTER HAVING SUBMITTED UPDATED WETLAND FUNCTIONAL SCORES AND IMPACT QUANTITIES. PLANS WILL BE FINALIZED, SIGNED AND SEALED FOR THE COUNTY AS SOON AS PERMITS ARE ISSUED. BASICALLY THE SAME PERMIT DELAYS DUE TO GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWN FIVE . PROJECT THREE A. PROJECT FOUR. THEY ARE COMPLETE. CMAR GROUP ONE. PROJECT 3B. COUNTY ROAD 209B. COUNTY HELD BIMONTHLY STATUS MEETINGS. STORMWATER STRUCTURES AND PIPE AND SIDEWALK. THE CONTRACTOR PROJECT SCHEDULE REMAINS IN DISPUTE BY CONTRACT . EXCUSE ME. IN THE COUNTY. PRODUCT IS 53% PAID OUT

. MOVING ON TO 6B. >> INAUDIBLE ] DISPUTE CLAIM FOR RESOLUTION AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 36 . ON OCTOBER 16TH, THE PROJECT RECEIVED THE REGIONAL MERIT AWARD IN TRANSPORTATION FROM FLORIDA INSTITUTE OF AMERICA INAUDIBLE ] CATHEDRAL OAK PARKWAY PROJECT. IN SUPPORT , W G.I. CONTINUES TO WORK ACROSS THE ENTIRE PROGRAMMING SPECTRUM.

AS OF OCTOBER 2ND, UPDATE ON THE BOND TRANSPORTATION.

>> QUESTIONS FOR ED OR CARLOS ? PROJECT UPDATE.

>> SWITCH HANDS NOW. GOOD EVENING. AGAIN, REPORTING ON THE CAPITAL PROJECTS . HIGHLIGHTING PROJECTS FROM RICHARD SMITH, DIRECTOR OF ENGINEERING, ERIC P.U.P., DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS, JUSTIN PIERCE, DIRECTO OF PARKS AND REC, JIM PRICE, DIRECTOR OF FACILITIES OPERATIONS MAINTENANCE AS WELL AS ERIC JONES, DIRECTOR OF GROUND MAINTENANCE AND MYSELF.

CAPITAL PROJECT. OVERALL, THE COUNTY'S CURRENT PROJECT LIST CONSISTS OF 262 ITEMS FOR THE PROJECT DATA WAS COMPILED BY VERONICA, OUR CAPITAL PROJECTS SPECIALIST . 59 OF THE ITEMS ARE DIRECT PURCHASES WHILE 49 ARE FURNISHED AND INSTALLED. 157 ARE TRUE PROJECTS THAT TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THE CONCEPTUALIZATION DESIGN, PERMITTING AND FINAL

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SCHEDULE AND THE FINALIST DESIGN IS EXPECTED . NEXT UP, THE BUILDOUT OF THE FOURTH FLOOR OF OUR COURTHOUSE -- COUNTY COURTHOUSE. THIS PROJECT IS FULLY BUILDING OUT AND RENOVATING A PROXIMALLY 17,000 SQUARE FEET IN THE CLAY COUNTY COURTHOUSE. INCLUDES SECURITY ENHANCEMENTS TO THE ENTRANCE WAYS. CONSTRUCTION APPROXIMATELY COMPLETE. ANTICIPATED TO COMPLETE FALL OF 2026. AND THEN THERE IS THE RENOVATION OF FIRE STATION 14 . THIS PROJECT BRINGS A MUCH-NEEDED FACELIFT TO THE INTERIOR OF THIS OLDER STATION, WHICH CONSISTS OF REMODELING AND REPLACING ALL CABINETRY AND APPLIANCES AND FLOORING THROUGHOUT THE KITCHEN AND LIVING ORDERS IN THE COMMON AREA. THIS PROJECT IS 95% COMPLETE WITH JUST A FEW FINAL TOUCHES TO GO. LAST FOR THE VERTICAL PROJECT HIGHLIGHTS IS THE DEMOLITION REMOVAL AND REPLACEMENT OF FIRE STATION 18.

FRONT PARKING LOT. APPROXIMATELY 4500 SQUARE FEET OF DAMAGE AND DETERIORATED ASPHALT MATERIAL IN THE FRONT PARKING LOT OF THE STATION. THIS MATERIAL WAS REMOVED AND REPLACED WITH SIX INCHES OF HEAVY DUTY 1000 PSI CONCRETE. PROJECT WAS NECESSARY DUE TO THE LARGE TRUCKS ENTERING THE STATION. THIS PROJECT IS 95% COMPLETE. I WILL TURN THE MICROPHONE TO RICHARD.

>> GOOD EVENING. THIS WILL BE OUR FINAL UPDATE PROBABLY FOR OUR COUNTY ROAD 220 AT LAKESHORE DRIVE SAFETY IMPROVEMENT PROJECT . THIS IS PROBABLY THE MOST CALLED ON PROJECT FIRST SIX MONTHS OF BEING HERE IN 2020. SO IT IS -- IT TOOK A WHILE. THE D.O.T. GRANT AGAIN AROUND EIGHT YEARS AGO AND THE GOOD NEWS IS WE'RE FINISHING 75 DAYS AHEAD OF SCHEDULE WHICH IS PROBABLY EASY TO DO WITH AN EIGHT YEAR PROJECT. WE DID IT. EXPECTING FINAL COMPLETION. DUE TO THE WEATHER THAT HAS COME IN , 40 DEGREES AND RISING. GOT TO BE 40 DEGREES AT THE PLANT. IF IT IS NOT 40 DEGREES, THEY WON'T PUT THE ASPHALT ON THE TRUCKS . THEY WILL BE DOING THAT. THEY DID THAT TODAY. THEY WILL BE FINISHING IT UP THIS WEEK. WITHIN HAVE SOME SMALL SIDEWALK WORK TO DO IN THE NORTHWEST CORNER TO KIND OF BLEND THE FEDERAL AND STATE PROJECT WITH OUR LOCAL PROJECT. THAT WILL START AS SOON AS THIS IS OVER. AGAIN, I HAD SPECIAL GROUP. THEY HAVE DONE AN EXCELLENT JOB ON THIS. WE WILL RECOGNIZE THEM LATER POSSIBLY. WEST ON 220 , THE OUTER LANES OF 220 WEST OF HENLEY WILL BEGIN PAINTING THIS WEEK AS THE WEATHER PERMITS. TEMPERATURES GET UP. YOU WILL SEE THE

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THOSE OPERATIONS ARE COMPLETE. THEY ARE STRIPED. SOME MINOR PUNCHLIST ITEMS GOING ON WITH SODDING AND SUCH. WILL START DIRT ROAD PAVING OPERATIONS IN APRIL OF IN 26. AGAIN, THAT IS WARM WATER SPORT. YOU HAVE TO HAVE HIGH TEMPERATURES TO DO IT.

THE GREENWAY TRAIL PROJECT OUT IN THE OLD JENNINGS ROAD AREA .

PAVING IS SCHEDULED FOR THE WEEK -- THE FIRST WEEK OF DECEMBER UP TO THE VISITOR CENTER. THE ROAD SHOULD BE PAVED BY THEN. WE ARE COORDINATING SOME FINAL UTILITY LOCATIONS WITH CLAY ELECTRIC AND THAT PROJECT IS ON SCHEDULE TO BE COMPLETED IN THE SPRING.

HOPEFULLY A LITTLE SOONER , BUT LET'S CALL IT THAT FOR NOW.

SPENCER INDUSTRIAL DRIVE IS WITH THE EARLIER WORK YOU SAW GOING WITH -- PLEASED TO ANNOUNCE THEY ARE ACTUALLY USING A FOUR-LANE ROAD. ALSO THEY SHOWED A PICTURE OF NIAGARA. THAT IS THE ROAD SECTION THAT WE WILL HAVE AS A FINAL ROAD THERE. FOUR LANES WITH A MEDIAN. AND THEY ARE USING THE EASTERN TWO LANES THAT HAVE BEEN COMPLETE -- NOT COMPLETED, BUT THEY ARE COMPLETE ENOUGH FOR THEM TO SHIFT THE CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC ONTO IT. SO UTILITIES ARE BEING PUT IN WITH AT&T RIGHT NOW . AND THAT SHOULD WRAP UP AGAIN IN SUMMER OF '26. SHIFTING OVER TO D.O.T. UPDATE .

IF YOU DRIVE THE 220 17 AREA, YOU KNOW THERE'S BEEN SOME PROGRESS MADE. WE STILL DON'T HAVE A COMPLETION DATE, BUT SLOWLY BUT SURELY THEY ARE FINISHING UP THE INDIVIDUAL TASKS . SO WE SHOULD BE WRAPPED UP ON THAT. D.O.T. SHOULD WRAP UP ON THAT IN THE NEXT SIX WEEKS, I WOULD SAY, AT THE MOST.

STILL HAVE NOT COMMENCED WORK BETWEEN THE BLACK CREEK BRIDGE IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING HERE SOUTH TO OAK STREET. THAT IS A KNOWN REASONS , BUT THEY HAVE NOT CHANGE THE PROJECT COMPLETION DATE. THE BLANDING BOULEVARD WELLS ROAD INTERSECTION. I'M NOT FIELDING AS MANY CALLS AS WE DID EARLIER.

IT IS ON SCHEDULE TO BE COMPLETED SUMMER OF IN 26. THE ONE THING I CAN ADD TO THAT IS WE DO HAVE A PURCHASE ORDER RESURFACING FOR THIS YEAR FOR FISCAL YEAR . WE WILL DO RESURFACING IN THE ORANGE PARK NORTHWAY, WHICH IS ABOUT 1200 FEET OF THE RING ROAD THAT IS COUNTY RIGHT-OF-WAY OVER THE OLD SEARS AREA GOING UP TO THE DILLARDS DRIVEWAY. SO THAT WILL GIVE FOLKS THAT CHOOSE TO USE THE MALL AS A DETOUR A BETTER ROAD TO DRIVE ON THERE. THAT WILL COMMENCE THE FIRST WEEK OF DECEMBER. THE USA -- U.S. 301 AND 218 TEST AREA. THEY ARE STILL DOING WORK OUT THERE. IT IS SPORADIC. JUST BE AWARE IF YOU'RE IN THAT AREA. POSSIBLE LANE CLOSURES. ANY QUESTIONS? ON

THE ROADS. >> QUESTIONS FOR ED OR RICHARD

ON ANY OF THOSE? >> RACETRACK. WHEN DOES THAT

START? RACETRACK ? >> WE ARE NOT GOING TO GO TO ST.

JOHNS COUNTY. >> RADAR ROAD.

>> RADAR ROAD . CAN'T SAY MUCH ABOUT IT BECAUSE I WILL LET KAREN DEFER TO THAT. BUT AS FAR AS THE DESIGN PORTION IT IS STILL ON THE CONTRACTORS. AS FAR AS THE DESIGN PORTION ON IT, WE HAVE HAD SOME UTILITY ISSUES. WE THINK THEY HAVE BEEN IMPROVED. I HAVE NOT SPOKEN TO PASTOR MCDONALD YET. I WILL TRY HIM

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ACCEPTANCE OF IT. >> UTILITIES MEANING ELECTRIC?

>> MEANING WHAT WE WERE EXPOSING ON THE CLAY ELECTRIC UTILITY RELOCATION. WE DID FIND OUT THOSE WIRES ARE IN THEIR PERMANENT CONFIGURATION NOW. SO WE DO HAVE A COST IF IT NEEDS TO BE ADJUSTED. WE HAVE A COST TO DISCUSS.

>> I'M GETTING CONFLICTING REPORTS THAT THEY ARE BAD AND THEY ARE GOOD. SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOUR CONVERSATIONS WERE

TODAY. >> I CAN TELL YOU IT IS COMPLETED . EVALUATE WHAT IS THERE NOW.

>> OTHER QUESTIONS FOR RICHARD OR ED?

>> JUST A COMMENT. WHILE YOU ARE HERE BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH LONGER THE MEETING IS GOING TO LAST, I WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR PINERIDGE AND MEETING THE NEED THERE. THE PHONE CALLS HAVE STOPPED . APPRECIATE YOU.

>> THE GOOD NEWS IS THE PHONE CALLS WE HAVE GOT -- WHAT COMMISSIONERS WERE ERRING TO IS WE ARE IN THE MIDST OF A STOP SIGN WARRANTS STUDY TO PUT IN A FOUR-WAY STOP WHERE THERE HAS ALWAYS BEEN STOPPING THE MINOR TRAFFIC OR STOPPING PINERIDGE AND HAVING COMPETENT AS AN ENGINEER BASICALLY SAYING WE ARE GOING FORWARD WITH THE INSTALLATION. THE STOP SIGN WARRANTS STUDY IS STILL GOING TO BE CONTINUED. IT IS A SAFETY IN CASE WE EVER GET QUESTIONED ABOUT IT. THE CALLS HAVE BEEN POSITIVE. WHEN WE PUT A VIDEO BOARD SAYING FOUR WAY STOP SIGN COMING. I EXPECTED SOME YESES AND NOS. PRETTY MUCH ALL POSITIVE CALLS THEY WERE

READY FOR. >> THOSE. I LIKE THOSE CALLS. I DON'T MIND THOSE. THOSE ARE NOT THE ONES I WAS GETTING BEFORE.

BUT TO YOUR POINT, I THINK THAT THAT COMMUNITY WAS DESPERATE FOR ATTENTION AND THE ACTION WAS SWIFT AND ATTENTIVE . SO ALL OF THE POSITIVE FEEDBACK BET THE COUNTY IS GETTING IS BECAUSE OF YOUR ATTENTION TO DETAIL AND MOVING AT THEIR DIRECTION WITH PRECISION ALSO . AND SO I SAY THANK YOU . I DIDN'T WANT TO MISS THE OPPORTUNITY WHILE YOU'RE GIVING YOUR UPDATE BECAUSE THERE WERE SO MANY FACTORS BAKED INTO THAT EXPERIENCE AND WHAT THE COUNTY COULD HANDLE AND WHAT THE COUNTY HAD WITHIN THEIR PURVIEW, WE HANDLED . AND YOUR TEAM DID IT

VERY WELL. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> WELLS ROAD 17. TWO LANE LEFT TURN GOING NORTH. IS THAT OUR

RESPONSIBILITY? >> NO, SIR. THE MESSAGE I DELIVERED AND I DID NOT CHECK IT WHEN I WAS UP THERE LAST NIGHT .

BUT IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE COMPLETE.

>> I HAVE NOT CHECKED IT EITHER.

>> WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT DOING IT. I WANT TO GET YOUR INPUT ON THIS. A MAJOR COMPONENT OF THAT IMPROVEMENT WAS NOT TO JUST MAKE PEOPLE AT WELLS ROAD AND 17 ANGRY. IT WAS TO DIVERT THE TRAFFIC THAT NEEDED TO GO TO JACKSONVILLE IN 2 TO 95. ONE SIDE. THERE IS ONE SIDE WITH TWO 295 SHIELD RIGHT BY THE HOLIDAY AND THAT THAT LIGHT POINTING YOU THAT DIRECTION. WE ARE MAKING SIGNAGE NOW TO ADDED AS HE APPROACHED THE INTERSECTION 500,000 FEET BEFORE TO LET DRIVERS KNOW BECAUSE WE'VE GOT VERY ANGRY CALLS. FIX IT . PUT IT BACK. AND JESSE, OUR DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF THE TRAFFIC SIGNALS DEPARTMENT SAID, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN USE ELDRIDGE NOW. THE GUY ACTUALLY CALLED HIM BACK AND SAID THANK YOU BECAUSE IT IS ABOUT -- WE WILL USE SOME ENGINEERING SCHOOL WORDS NOW. BASICALLY TAKING THE HYPOTENUSE.

YOU ARE TAKING A RIGHT ANGLE. D.O.T. PUT THAT HYPOTENUSE IN AND NOW YOU CAN USE THAT AND GET ON 295 AND SAVE NOT ONLY THE WEIGHT AT THE LIGHT, BUT PROBABLY ABOUT A QUARTER OF A MILE OR HALF MILE OF DISTANCE. SO D.O.T.. WE ARE GOING TO HELP

THEM GET FOLKS THERE. >> ANYTHING ELSE? THANK YOU,

GUYS. KAREN? >> GOOD AFTERNOON AGAIN. HERE TO

[31.  Active & Upcoming Formal Solicitations (K. Smith)]

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OLD JENNINGS AND LONG BAY TRAFFIC SIGNAL AND INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS . WE RECEIVED SEVEN BIDS AND THOSE ARE UNDER REVIEW.

MEGA PARK CC YOU A CONNECTION. THAT BID IS OUT AND THEY ARE DUE TO OPEN NOVEMBER 21ST. CONSTRUCTION OF RADAR ROAD THAT WE JUST DISCUSSED. THOSE ARE DUE BACK THE SAME TIME, NOVEMBER 21ST. WE DID HAVE 17 CONTRACTORS ENTERING THREE BIDS. SO WE ARE GETTING A FEW QUESTIONS IN. BUT WE DON'T ANTICIPATE HAVING TO CHANGE THE DATE. WE ARE SUPER EXCITED TO HAVE THAT MANY INAUDIBLE ] SO BIDS THAT WE ARE WORKING ON THAT SHOULD BE GOING OUT HERE SHORTLY IS THE AGRONOMIC SERVICES FOR COUNTY PARKS . TILE REPLACEMENT AT THE COUNTY JAIL . THE LAKE GENEVA BID WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER TODAY . I SHOULD BE GOING OUT THIS THURSDAY. SO CLAY COUNTY PUBLIC SAFETY PHYSICAL . THAT IS PHYSICALS FOR OUR PUBLIC SAFETY DEPARTMENTS GOING OUT TO BID.

PREVENTATIVE GENERATOR MAINTENANCE . CONSTRUCTION ENGINEERING INSPECTION FOR THE SUN TRAIL PROJECT. THE FIRE ALARM UPGRADE AT THE COUNTY JAIL . OUR CONTINUING ENGINEERING SERVICES THAT WILL INCLUDE PLANNING AND DESIGNING. THAT IS FOR OUR CONTINUING CONTRACTS. WE HAVE A CDBG REHAB PROJECT ON SAPP LANE . WE HAVE PUBLIC SAFETY STORAGE SHEDS . WE HAVE UNIFORM RENTAL AND CLEANING SERVICE COUNTYWIDE , DEBRIS REMOVAL AND STORM WATER POND . QUITE A FEW ON OUR LIST THAT WE ARE WORKING THROUGH AND ANTICIPATE HAVING THEM OUT BY

THE END OF THIS YEAR. >> ANY QUESTIONS FOR KAREN?

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>> WE DID. MARK , IF YOU WANT TO COME TO THIS DESK , YOU'RE WELCOME TO. WHEREVER YOU ARE MORE COMFORTABLE.

YOU ARE FINE. YEAH. IF YOU JUST WANT TO PRESS THAT RED -- IT

WILL TURN TO GREEN. >> SO , YOU KNOW, AT YOUR LAST MEETING, WE TALKED ABOUT THE PROCESS FOR IMPLEMENTING THE STORMWATER UTILITY ASSESSMENT. SO THAT IS WHAT WE ARE GOING TO GO THROUGH. MARK IS HERE FROM JAY JONES EDMUNDS IN CASE YOU HAVE ANY SPECIFIC TECHNICAL QUESTIONS THAT I CANNOT ANSWER.

WHY STORMWATER B. CLAY COUNTY STORMWATER SYSTEM IS FACING AGING STRUCTURE, GROWTH AND INCREASE REGULATORY MANDATES .

CURRENTLY IT IS FUNDED THROUGH THE GENERAL FUND, WHICH IS NOT SUSTAINABLE LONG-TERM. STORMWATER UTILITY WILL ESTABLISH A DEDICATED FUNDING SOURCE, SUPPORT MAINTENANCE, CAPITAL REINVESTMENT COMPLIANCE , AND BUILD RESILIENCY AGAINST FLOODING AND ENVIRONMENTAL DEGRADATION . IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS, FEEL FREE TO STOP ALONG THE WAY. THAT IS KIND OF AN OVERVIEW OF THE PROJECT. AGAIN, JONES EDMUNDS WOULD BE UNDERTAKING THE PROJECT IF APPROVED TONIGHT. DOING SOME OF DURATION OF THE PROJECT WOULD BE FROM NOVEMBER '25 TWO IMPLEMENTATION IN SEPTEMBER '26. STORMWATER RATE MODEL. PUBLIC WORKS INCLUSION ON THE 2026 PROPERTY BILLS.

>> PROJECT MANAGEMENT. DATA COLLECTION . ANALYSIS. LOOKING AT HOW WE SPEND CURRENTLY . EXEMPTION MITIGATION PROCESS .

LOOKING AT OUR COST OVER 10 YEARS. DETERMINING THE RATE STRUCTURE REVENUE MODEL. AND THEN WE WILL WORK TOWARD HOW TO APPLY THAT TO PROPERTY TAX ASSESSMENT AND DO WORKSHOPS AND PRESENTATIONS THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS. KEY TECHNICAL COMPONENTS. DATA-DRIVEN APPROACH. ASSESS BASED ON THE SIZE OF THE PROPERTY, THE IMPERVIOUS SURFACE. DIFFERENT RATE MODELS. WE TALKED ABOUT A TIERED MODEL FOR RESIDENTIAL.

IMPERVIOUS SURFACE FOR RESIDENTIAL. WE ARE GOING TO

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AND IN THE OUTCOME OF COURSE WOULD BE EQUITABLE, TRANSPARENT -- LEGALLY DEFENSIBLE STRUCTURE IN LINE WITH STATUTES. HERE IS THE PROJECT TIMELINE. THE KEY FOR THIS TIMELINE TONIGHT IS IF YOU CHOOSE TO MOVE FORWARD , THIS STARTS -- AND I WILL DEFER TO COURTNEY -- A FOUR WEEK PERIOD OF TIME WHERE WE HAVE TO ADVERTISE FOR ADOPTION AND NOTICE OF INTENT. WE WOULD DO THAT AT THE DECEMBER 9TH BOARD MEETING, CORRECT ? BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO ADVERTISE FOR FOUR CONSECUTIVE WEEKS . AND WE HAVE TO DO FOUR REFERS . AND THEN THE REST OF YOUR MEETINGS . YOU WILL KICK OFF DATA COLLECTION. PROGRESS MEETINGS. ANALYSIS. IT WILL COME BACK TO YOU AS A BOARD FOR WORKSHOPS IN THE APRIL JUNE TIMEFRAME. ORDINANCE READINGS IN MAY AND JUNE WITH FINAL ADOPTION IN AUGUST SEPTEMBER. THERE WILL BE SOME WORKSHOPS AND PRESENTATIONS TO MAKE SURE WE ARE TRANSPARENT WITH WHAT IS GOING ON. THE PROPOSAL INCLUDES CLEAR, CONSTANT COMMUNICATION WITH THE COUNTY AND CONSISTENT PUBLIC INVOLVEMENT . AND THEN LASTLY , IF WE DECIDE TO MOVE FORWARD TONIGHT , WE HAVE WORKED WITH JONES EDMUNDS CONTRACT VALUES ABOUT $148,000. NEXT STEP TONIGHT WOULD BE WE WOULD ASK YOU TO AUTHORIZE EXECUTION OF THE CONTRACT AND ALLOW THE COUNTY MANAGER TO EXECUTE THAT CONTRACT DUE TO THE TIMING OF TRYING TO GET THIS UNDERWAY .

YOU WOULD ADOPT A RESOLUTION OF INTENT IN DECEMBER AND THEN THE PROJECT WOULD REALLY KICK OFF IN DECEMBER. SO THAT IS KIND OF A HIGH LEVEL TRYING TO KEEP IT CLEAR AND CONCISE FOR THE NIGHT SINCE I KNOW WE ARE RUNNING LATE . MARK, ANYTHING YOU WANT TO ADD TO THE PRESENTATION? AT THIS POINT I GUESS OPEN FOR QUESTIONS

AND COMMENTS. >> QUESTIONS FOR MARK.

>> COMMISSIONER RENNINGER. >> UNDERSTAND WE DID A STUDY

LIKE THIS . >> WE DID NOT DO A STUDY LIKE THIS. WE DID AN INTERNAL ANALYSIS IN 2019 LEAD BY YOUR FORMER COUNTY ENGINEER. IF I REMEMBER RIGHT, IT WAS AN INTERNAL ANALYSIS CAME BACK WITH A FLAT FEE PER PARCEL THAT THE BOARD DID. I DO NOT KNOW IF THIS ANALYSIS TO THIS LEVEL HAS EVER BEEN DONE IN CLAY COUNTY. AT LEAST NOT IN THE 16 YEARS I HAVE BEEN HERE. THIS WOULD HAVE BEEN A GIS-BASED ANALYSIS . I DON'T REMEMBER US EVER DOING IT TO THIS. DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR

QUESTION? >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MARK

OR FOR TROY? >> THEY PUT IN A FEE . GREEN COVE. YEAH. DO Y'ALL KNOW? HOW LONG HAS IT BEEN? YEAH.

>> ORANGE PARK . WE DID THAT STORMWATER UTILITY.

>> 26. 2006. 2010 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

>> WE DID AN UPDATE . >> YOU DID AN UPDATE AFTER THAT.

SO THAT HAS BEEN AN ONGOING UTILITY I THINK IS JUST EIGHT YEARS AGO BASICALLY EVERYBODY IS BEGINNING TO SUFFER FROM

OUTDATED UTILITIES. >> YEAH.

>> JUST COMPLETED ONE IN SAINT AUGUSTINE BEACH. CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE HAS ONE. JACKSONVILLE IS ADOPTING ONE COASTAL COMMUNITIES. NEIGHBORING COMMUNITIES ARE DEALING WITH A

LOT OF CHALLENGES. >> I THOUGHT NASSAU IS MOVING FORWARD WITH SOMETHING. MAYBE AN ANALYSIS.

>> YOU MAY KNOW, YOU MAY NOT, BUT BASED ON THEIR STUDY, DIDN'T THEY RECEIVE A $7 MILLION GRANT RECENTLY?

>> THEY DID. THE STORM WATER UTILITIES WILL TYPICALLY HELP YOU IN YOUR GRANT PURSUITS. USED TO BE A REQUIREMENT FROM THE ST.

JOHNS RIVER WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT. IT HELPED YOU IN YOUR SCORING. AND SO IT VARIES BY GRANT TYPE. BUT IT HELPS TO BE

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>> WE HAVE HEARD TONIGHT SEVERAL EXAMPLES OF STORMWATER PROBLEMS WITHIN THE COUNTY. CEDAR ROAD. I MEAN, THAT HAS BEEN A PROBLEM, WHICH I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW ABOUT, UNTIL I CAME ON THE COMMISSION.

THAT ROAD IS ONLY TWO FEET ABOVE FLOOD STAGE OR HIGH TIDE STAGE .

SO WHEN WE GET A HIGH TIDE KING TIDE . SO THE SOLUTION FOR THAT FROM A LAYMAN'S PERSPECTIVE IS YOU GOT TO RAISE THE ROAD. THAT IS QUITE HONESTLY ONE OF THE THINGS THEY ARE DOING IS LOOKING AT RAISING ROADS. THAT IS EXPENSIVE. BUT WITHOUT THE ENGINEERING TO THE ANALYSIS THAT GOES INTO THE STUDY OF STORMWATER AND FREE WATER FLOW, YOU REALLY DON'T HAVE A GOOD BASIS TO REQUEST GRANT FUNDING . YOU JUST NEED THAT BACKGROUND IN ORDER TO COMPETE FOR GRANT FUNDS. BUT WE HAVE A PROPERTY OFF 218 . ANOTHER PROPERTY WHERE WE KNOW WE HAVE FLOODING IN THERE. THOSE ARE JUST TWO EXAMPLES TONIGHT THAT WERE

BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION. >> AND IF I MAY , TYPICALLY WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICTS ARE THE STANDARD FOR ACHIEVING COMPLIANCE , BUT A LOT OF COMMUNITIES WILL TAKE ONE STEP FURTHER AND REALLY EVALUATE THOSE DRAINAGE PLANS AND LOOK AT THE MODELING. YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY IF YOU WERE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS UTILITY LONG-TERM IT MIGHT GIVE YOU MORE RESOURCES TO BE ABLE TO NOT JUST DO THE OPERATION AND MAINTENANCE OF YOUR FACILITIES BUT ALSO BE ABLE TO BETTER EVALUATE THE GROWTH THAT HAS COME INTO YOUR COMMUNITY.

>> ONE LAST COMMENT. I READ THROUGH THIS STUDY. WHAT I HAVEN'T GOTTEN CLEAR IN MY MIND IS THE STORMWATER QUALITY. CAN YOU SPEAK TO THAT? THE UPCOMING OR FUTURISTIC ANTICIPATED REQUIREMENTS OR IF STORMWATER QUALITY AND WHAT THAT MEANS ?

>> I WILL DO MY BEST IN A BRIEF WAY. THE STATE HAS ADOPTED A NEW STATEWIDE STORMWATER RULE, WHICH NOW TRADITIONALLY YOU HAD PRESUMPTIVE CRITERIA, WHICH SAID YOU COULD THE SIZE THAT RECTANGULAR POND TO MEET CERTAIN CRITERIA BASED ON IMPERVIOUS AREA. THE NEW STORMWATER RULE HAS A HIGHER STANDARD TO BASICALLY MEET PRE-VERSUS POST FOR THE AMOUNT OF NUTRIENTS . SO YOUR NEW SITE AS YOU DEVELOP IT -- LESS NUTRIENTS OR EQUAL TO TYPICALLY THE EXISTING SITE . AND SO THAT IS A NEW STANDARD THAT HAS BEEN ADOPTED THROUGH DEP AND NOW IT IS BEING ENFORCED BY THE WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT FOR PERMITS EFFECTIVE A MONTH FROM NOW. SO IF YOU HAVE NOT GOTTEN YOUR ERP -- A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE RACING RIGHT NOW TO TRY TO GET THEIR PERMITS BECAUSE AFTER THIS TIME, IT'S GOING TO BE MORE COSTLY BECAUSE YOU WILL NEED TREATMENT TRAINS TO BE ABLE TO SEE WATER QUALITY SO YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO HAVE A WET DETENTION POND AND OVERFLOW WILL HAVE TO HAVE OTHER MEANS TO ACHIEVE IT. BEYOND THAT , WE HAVE HEARD SOME TALK -- COMES INTO THE COUNTY. BRINGS A NUTRIENT LOAD THAT GOES INTO A BUDGET THAT DEP USES AND LOADS THE ST. JOHNS RIVER WITH. RE-EVALUATION PROCESS OF THE TOTAL MAXIMUM DAILY LOADS FOR NITROGEN AND PHOSPHORUS OF THE ST. JOHNS RIVER. IN THE PAST COUNTY ACHIEVED A LOT OF IT'S REQUIREMENTS THROUGH WORK WITH CC UA AND UPGRADES OF WATER TREATMENT PLANTS AND THINGS. THERE WERE PROBABLY MORE REQUIREMENTS FOR WATER QUALITY PERSPECTIVE THAT WILL REQUIRE THE COUNTY TO MITIGATE FOR UNFORTUNATELY A LOT OF THE SEPTIC TANK PERMITS THAT D.O.H. HAS APPROVED . AND THEY COME INTO YOUR -- REGULATED THROUGH YOUR MS FOUR PERMIT . I COULD GO ON . BUT I THINK THAT MIGHT ADDRESS SOME OF YOUR QUESTION.

>> WHAT I RECALL THIS TODAY AND IN THE PAST , WE HAVE DISCHARGED STORMWATER INTO ST. JOHNS RIVER. IN THE FUTURE, WE MAY HAVE TO TREAT IT BEFORE WE DISCHARGED STORMWATER INTO THE ST. JOHNS RIVER. DUE TO ENHANCED REQUIREMENTS.

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>> CORRECT. YOU WILL BE PENALIZED FOR ALL OF THE SEPTIC TANKS IN THE COUNTY BECAUSE THEY ESSENTIALLY ARE A LOAD TO THE ST. JOHNS RIVER IN THEIR BUDGET. SO YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO HAVE ADVANCED SEPTIC TANKS . REQUIRED BY THE DEP FOR THESE ADVANCED

SEPTIC TANKS. >> JUST TO REITERATE SINCE IT HAS BEEN A LITTLE BIT, HOW MANY MILLIONS OF DOLLARS ARE WE BEHIND IN OUR STORMWATER PROJECTS? IS IT 15 MILLION OR

MORE THAN THAT? >> CLOSER TO 30 MILLION.

>> WE HAVE NO BUDGET TO DO ANY OF THAT ? AND WE NEED TO BE DOING AT LEAST $15 MILLION PER YEAR.

>> THERE'S TWO SIDES TO IT. >> ABOUT 30 MILLION CAPITAL. AND THEN WHAT WE SAID BEFORE IS YOU NEED ABOUT 5 MILLION A YEAR TO DO REPAIRS AND MAINTENANCE ON YOUR EXISTING SYSTEM AND WE ARE BUDGETING ABOUT TWO. SO EVERY YEAR WE ARE RUNNING ABOUT $3 MILLION DEFICIT IN THE REPAIRS AND MAINTENANCE SIDE. THAT IS NOT EVEN COUNTING THE CAPITAL SIDE.

>> TO CLARIFY, THAT IS MOSTLY WATER QUANTITY RELATED CHALLENGES YOU'RE DEALING WITH FLOODING . NOT WATER QUALITY.

>> ADDITIONAL COST ABOVE AND BEYOND THE QUANTITY THAT WE ARE

CONSIDERING TODAY. >> ALL WE ARE CONSIDERING TONIGHT IS TONIGHT IS AN AMENDMENT TO THE JONES EDMUNDS CONTRACT FOR THE ANALYSIS. NOT VOTING ON ANY FEES. AND WE NEED-- IF SOMEONE MAKES A MOTION, IT NEEDS TO INCLUDE THAT.

>> WELL, AND ALSO THE AUTHORITY THE NOTICE OF INTENT, WHICH DOES NOT OBLIGATE YOU TO ANYTHING. BUT WE HAVE TO DO THAT.

>> WE HAVE TO PUBLISH THAT. >> JUST FOR CLARTY, WOULD IT BE AN AMENDMENT OR A SEPARATE CONTRACT? AN AMENDMENT. THANK

YOU. >> IS THERE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. OH, SORRY.

COMMISSIONER RENNINGER. >> $140,000 . THAT IS ANOTHER COMMITMENT WE ARE MAKING TO THIS EFFORT. SO IF WE DON'T MOVE FURTHER , WE COMMITTED TO $150,000.

>> I WOULD JUST MAKE A COMMENT PIGGYBACKING ON WHAT YOU JUST SAID . ONE OF THE THINGS I THINK THE COMMISSION REALLY NEEDS TO DECIDE IS, WHAT IS OUR CORE FUNCTION OF GOVERNMENT? I THINK PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY BELIEVE THAT IT IS THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE GOVERNMENT TO ENSURE THAT WATER GOES WHERE IT IS SUPPOSED TO GO AND THAT IS ONE OF OUR CORE FUNCTIONS . PUBLIC SAFETY, INFRASTRUCTURE. THIS FALLS RIGHT IN THAT INFRASTRUCTURE PIECE ALONG WITH ROADS . SO SOMETIMES WE HAVE TO MAKE TOUGH DECISIONS.

AND IF THAT MEANS REDUCING FUNDING IN OTHER AREAS OR WHICHEVER WE DECIDE TO DO, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS BECOMING A CRITICAL MASS SITUATION . AND I BRING THAT UP BECAUSE I LIVED THROUGH THIS ONCE. IT IS PRETTY SIGNIFICANT LIFT .

>> IT IS. BUT YOU LOOK AT I WOULD ARGUE FROM A PUBLIC SAFETY STANDPOINT YOU WERE NOT ON THE COMMISSION AT THIS POINT. I DON'T KNOW THAT COMMISSIONER COMPERE WAS. BUT WHEN WE HAD THE EMERGENCY IN PINE RIDGE AREA , -- BUT IN PINERIDGE, THEY WERE WORRIED ABOUT HOUSES FALLING IN. AND IT TURNED OUT TO BE A MILLION-DOLLAR EMERGENCY THAT DID NOT NEED TO HAPPEN. I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT IT WOULD HAVE COST TO FIX BUT IT WASN'T ANYWHER NEAR THAT IF WE HAD DONE IT AHEAD OF TIME.

>> AND JUST ADD TO WHAT YOU SAID . THE TWO MEN THAT SPOKE ABOUT CEDAR ROAD . I MEAN, THEY ARE SAYING, WHY ISN'T THE COUNTY DOING ANYTHING? WE CALLED AND WE CALLED AND WE CALLED. WE CAN'T.

WE DON'T HAVE THE MONEY. THEY EXPECT US TO DO IT. WHY ARE WE NOT DOING SOMETHING ABOUT IT? SO THAT IS WHY WE HAVE TO MAKE

THESE DECISIONS. >> ON THE FLIPSIDE, I WOULD JUST SAY IN THEIR INSTANCE, I'M NOT SURE RAISING THE ROAD IS GOING TO SOLVE THEIR PROBLEM BECAUSE THEIR HOUSES ARE REALLY, REALLY LOW. I DON'T THINK THOSE HOUSES WOULD BE PERMITTED TODAY. AND THAT IS NOT THE COUNTY'S RESPONSIBILITY. AND THE TIDE IS RAISING. IF YOU LIVE ON THE RIVER, YOU KNOW IT. THAT IS

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>> BUT WHAT IS OUR RESPONSIBILITY? AND WITHOUT THE INFRASTRUCTURE TO GET , YOU CANNOT PROVIDE THAT. THAT IS OUR RESPONSIBILITY. YOU ARE RIGHT. WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT THEIR HOMES BECAUSE THEIR HOMES ARE LOW AS WELL.

>> ALL RIGHT. SO IS THERE A MOTION?

>> I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO CONTRACT WITH JONES EDMUNDS AND GET THE COUNTY MANAGER AUTHORITY TO SIGN THE DOCUMENTS.

>> THANK YOU. WE HAVE A SECOND. >> AND INCLUDE THE NOTICE OF

INTENT. THANK YOU. >> AND WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE

HAVE A SECOND? >> I WILL SECOND.

>> OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?

>> ONLY A COMMENT. AS I AM UNDERSTANDING IT, THE DIRECTION WE ARE TAKING IS DEFINITIVELY GOING TO RESULT IN US MAKING A DECISION WHETHER TO ASSESS A FEE ON CLAY COUNTY RESIDENTS CONCERNING STORMWATER UTILITY BEING ASSESSED . BUT TO YOUR POINT , IT IS NOT NECESSARILY THAT WE ARE AGREEING TO A FEE AT THIS JUNCTURE. IT IS THAT WE ARE LOOKING TO APPLY $148,000 TO A STUDY THAT IS GOING TO DETERMINE HOW MUCH IT COST THEM CONCERNING STORMWATER INFRASTRUCTURE IN CLAY COUNTY. I JUST WANT THE PUBLIC TO BE SO AWARE OF WHAT THIS IS , PRIMARILY BECAUSE THE TRAJECTORY HERE IS AN ASSESSMENT . THE TRAJECTORY HERE IS AN ASSESSMENT. SO WAS THIS CONVERSATION THE LAST TIME WE WERE HERE TO REQUEST A PROPOSAL INVARIABLY TOURED AN ASSESSMENT.

THERE'S NO TWO WAYS ABOUT IT. THE STUDY IS GOING TO DETERMINE HOW MUCH TO TAX YOU FOR YOUR STORMWATER INFRASTRUCTURE. SO SUCH THAT THERE IS CLARITY, I DON'T WANT THERE TO BE ANY CONFUSION MOVING FORWARD AS TO WHAT IT IS WE ARE ENGAGING IN

HERE. >> WELL, I WOULD OBJECT TO IF YOU ARE ABOUT TO VOTE NO ON DOING THIS STUDY AND YOUR INTENT IS TO SAY TO THE PUBLIC THAT IF WE VOTE YES ON THIS ANALYSIS THAT WE ARE VOTING TO TAX THEM OR CAUSE A FEE OR ANYTHING. I THINK -- I JUST DON'T THINK THEY ARE THE SAME.

>> NO, THAT IS NOT MY CONTENTION.

>> BECAUSE I WANT THE PUBLIC TO KNOW I SUPPORT DOING THE ANALYSIS. I'M NOT SURE I WILL VOTE FOR IT. BUT IF IT IS A MATTER OF A SLIDING SCALE -- BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT THE ISSUE WAS BEFORE WHEN IT WAS THE $60 AND IT WAS APPLIED TO EVERYONE ACROSS, THE CONVERSATIONS WERE THAT IT WASN'T FAIRLY APPLIED .

BUT TIME HAS PASSED. WE HAVE A LOT OF PLACES THAT ARE HAVING FLOODING ISSUES. TWO DIFFERENT PLACES IN TWO DIFFERENT DISTRICTS DISCUSSED TONIGHT. I JUST -- THE TENOR YOU ARE TAKING WITH THAT STATEMENT -- I JUST WANTED TO BE CLEAR TO THE PUBLIC THAT JUST BECAUSE A COMMISSIONER VOTES YES TO DO THE ANALYSIS TONIGHT DOES NOT MEAN THEIR INTENTION IS TO CHARGE THE FEE.

IT IS THAT WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT MODELS COULD BE BECAUSE WE HAVE BEEN MADE AWARE OF A $30 MILLION PLUS ISSUE THAT WE

DON'T HAVE THE FUNDING FOR. >> MAY BE MY TONE CARRIES THAT WEIGHT, BUT MY POSITION REMAINS THE SAME . I DID NOT CONFLATE THE ISSUE HERE. MOVING IN THIS DIRECTION IS US ASSESSING WHAT COST TO APPLY TO EACH PARCEL IN CLAY COUNTY CONCERNING STORMWATER. I'M NOT SAYING -- I THINK I QUALIFIED VERY CLEARLY.

I DID NOT CONFLATE. I DID NOT CONFUSE. MOVING IN THIS DIRECTION IS US TAKING A LOOK AT WHAT TO ASSESS EACH PARCEL.

THERE'S NO TWO WAYS ABOUT IT. SO WHEN WE HAVE THE CONVERSATION A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO , MADAM CHAIR, YOUR QUESTION WAS, IS THERE A LEGAL JEOPARDY IN MOVING -- NOT MOVING IN THIS DIRECTION? SHOULD WE KNOW IF THE COUNTY IS ON THE HOOK IN ORDER FOR US BECAUSE OF THE INFORMATION THAT HAS COME BACK FROM THE STUDY -- DARE I SAY IT , REGARDLESS OF WHAT COMES BACK FROM THE STUDY, I HEARD FROM LEGAL THAT YOU ARE NOT REALLY -- WE ARE NOT PROTECTING THE COUNTY BY MOVING IN THIS DIRECTION. BUT WHAT I AM SAYING IS, TO YOUR POINT, I'M NOT COMFORTABLE MOVING WITH THE TRAJECTORY OF ASSESSING OR FIGURING OUT WHAT THE ASSESSMENT SHOULD BE , PRIMARILY BECAUSE THERE HAVE NOT BEEN MANY CONVERSATIONS ABOUT WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE TO REALLOCATE THE

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>> I THINK THERE STILL CAN BE THE ANALYSIS YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT IN CONJUNCTION WITH THIS. THAT IS WHERE I OBJECTED. I OBJECTED TO THE AUTOMATIC ASSUMPTION THAT BY VOTING FOR THIS, WE ARE VOTING TO TAX OUR RESIDENTS. THAT IS NOT WHAT THIS IS. BUT THERE IS A PROCESS YOU HAVE TO FOLLOW IF YOU ARE GOING TO PURSUE IT. AND SO OFTEN, WE ARE BEHIND THAT EIGHTBALL . AND GOING BACK TO ANOTHER TAX IF YOU WANT GO BACK TO THAT, MY OBJECTION TO THE UTILITY TAX WAS THAT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT IT AND THERE WAS LESS THAN EIGHT WEEKS THAT THE PUBLIC KNEW ABOUT IT.

THIS PROCESS IS BUILT INTO NINE, 10 MONTHS OF COMMUNICATION AND DISCUSSION WITH THE COMMUNITY ABOUT HOW TO SOLVE THIS PROBLEM BECAUSE WE ARE NOT GOING TO FIND $30 MILLION IN OUR BUDGET BECAUSE WE HAVE A STATE LEGISLATURE RIGHT NOW THAT WANTS TO ELIMINATE PROPERTY TAXES, AND THEY ARE ALSO TELLING PEOPLE, BUT YOU STILL HAVE TO FUND LAW ENFORCEMENT. BUT YOU STILL HAVE TO FUND THE SCHOOL DISTRICT. AND SO IF THEY ADD ON PUBLIC SAFETY TO THAT, WHICH IS THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WHEN THEY TALK ABOUT THAT , THAT IS HALF OF OUR BUDGET THAT WE HAVE TO FIND IF WE ARE THEN COMMITTED TO MAKING THAT UP. SO YOU CAN'T GO AND CT THAT. SO YOU WILL HAVE TO FIND OTHER WAYS TO MEET SERVICES. AND IF SOMEBODY'S HOUSE -- I MEAN, I DON'T REMEMBER IF YOU WERE ON THE BOARD THEN, BUT WHEN THE PERSON CAME AND THEY WERE SCARED TO DEATH THAT THEIR HOUSE IN PINERIDGE WAS GOING TO FALL IN, THEY DID NOT CARE ABOUT THE BUDGET AND WHERE WE HAD IT AND THEY WANTED US TO ADDRESS IT THEN. SO ALL I WAS SAYING WAS, BY VOTING TONIGHT -- CERTAINLY YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO VOTE THE WAY YOU DID. I FELT LIKE WHAT YOU WERE SAYING WAS THAT IF WE VOTE YES FOR THIS STUDY , WHICH IS $148,000 IN THE SCHEME OF THINGS TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WE REALLY SHOULD BE DOING TO FUND THIS IS NOT A LOT OF MONEY . IF WE CAN FIGURE OUT A BETTER WAY TO ASSESS OUR RESIDENTS OR NOT ASSESS OUR RESIDENTS A BETTER WAY TO FUND IT, SOME OF THIS IS

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>> RIGHT. BUT WHEN WE WERE HAVING THIS CONVERSATION TWO WEEKS AGO, FOUR WEEKS AGO, WE WERE PRESENTED WITH THREE DIFFERENT OPTIONS. WHEN JONES EDMAN -- BRIAN WAS THE ONE WHO MADE THE PRESENTATION. I THINK THAT IT WOULD HAVE BEEN MORE CONSISTENT WITH WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR , TRULY, IF THAT CONVERSATION THEN WAS THESE AVENUE STREAMS. WE WERE TOLD MAYBE YOU GO BACK AND LOOK AT YOUR BUDGET AND SEE WHAT YOU CAN FIND THOSE MONIES. I DON'T KNOW THAT WE CAN DO THAT. THEN WE TALKED ABOUT FUNDING FROM GRANTS THAT WAS ALSO ANOTHER OPTION PRESENTED TO US DURING THOSE PRESENTATIONS. AND THEN WE WERE TOLD MAYBE A COMBINATION OF THOSE THINGS WOULD BE THE THIRD OPTION. I THINK THAT -- HOWARD, IF YOU CAN CHIME IN, WAS THERE A FOURTH OPTION? OR WAS IT IN FACT THE COMBINATION BETWEEN GOING BACK TO OUR BUDGET AND FUNDING THROUGH GRANTS?

>> IT FINALLY CAME ON. MADAM CHAIR, IF I MAY , THERE WERE OPTIONS THAT WERE OUT THERE. ONE OF THE OPTIONS WAS TO DO NOTHING. JUST TO TAKE THE JONES EDMUNDS MASTER PLAN STUDY AND NOW WE HAVE IT AND GO FORWARD FROM THERE.

>> YEAH. THAT WAS REALLY THE QUESTION. I'M JUST -- I'M NOT TRYING TO BE CONTENTIOUS. WHAT I'M SAYING IS I THINK IT WOULD'VE BEEN INTERESTING. MAYBE EVEN IN MY OPINION MAY BE MORE EDIFYING THAT THE CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT ALL OF OUR OPTIONS WERE HAD TAKEN PLACE, BUT THAT CONVERSATION WENT IN A VERY SHORT . LET'S GO AHEAD AND MOVE FORWARD WITH JONES EDMUNDS, BRINGIN BACK A PROPOSAL TO THE COMMISSION AND THEIR PROPOSAL WOULD BE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS. THAT THEY WOULD PRESENT TO US THIS RATE STRUCTURE DETERMINATION IMPLEMENTATION PLAN . SO WE DIDN'T REALLY DISCUSS WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE TO CONTINUE TO PURSUE GRANTS. WE DID NOT LOOK AT WHAT POTENTIALLY WE COULD LOOK INTO IN OUR BUDGET TO SUPPLEMENT BECAUSE RIGHT NOW AS I UNDERSTAND IT, THE WAY WE ARE MOVING FORWARD IS WHATEVER BUDGETARY CONSTRAINTS THAT WE HAVE IS GOING TO BE WHAT THEY USE TO DETERMINE HOW MUCH TO ASSESS EACH PARCEL. SO I HATE TO BE SO PARTICULAR ABOUT THIS, BUT IT WAS THE SAME CONVERSATION THAT WE HAD COLLECTIVELY ON A BOARD A YEAR AND A HALF AGO -- TWO YEARS AGO -- ON A DIFFERENT PROJECT. THE PUSHBACK WAS, WELL, THE MONEY IS NOT THERE. BUT WE ARE UNDER BUDGET CONSTRAINTS. I AM NOT LIVING UNDER A ROCK. WE HAVE HAD QUITE A BIT OF DISCUSSIONS THIS YEAR ABOUT BUDGET CONSTRAINTS. BUT WE DID NOT HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT HOW MUCH POTENTIALLY -- POTENTIALLY -- WE COULD PARTNER WITH THE STATE . BECAUSE THE BIGGEST ISSUE THAT I HAVE IS THAT CLAY COUNTY IS NOT UNIQUE . THE CONVERSATION I HAVE BEEN HAVING TONIGHT ON REPEAT , CLAY COUNTY IS NOT UNIQUE TO THESE PROBLEMS. AND SO STORMWATER IS SOMETHING IN MY CONVERSATION I LEARNED IT WAS A REGIONAL PROBLEM BUT REALLY IT IS MORE LIKE A STATEWIDE PROBLEM BECAUSE OF THE INITIATIVES THAT ARE HAPPENING THAT WE ARE HEARING ABOUT COMING OUT OF TALLAHASSEE.

SO MAYBE A BROADER, BROADER CONVERSATION IS WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR. NOT NECESSARILY A STEP IN THIS DIRECTION . BUT I HAVE TO SAY THAT AS ONE COMMISSIONER, I MUST SAY THAT THAT IS WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR. I AM NOT COMMENTING ON WHATEVER APPROACH YOU FIND TO BE APPROPRIATE. THAT IS YOUR PREROGATIVE . BUT MINE IS, WELL, MAYBE THERE COULD HAVE BEEN A MORE ROBUST CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT THIS LOOKS LIKE BECAUSE THIS ANALYSIS IS GIVING US A FIGURE. AND WE KNOW THAT. WE KNOW THAT. NOT NECESSARILY THAT WE ARE GOING TO VOTE TO ASSESS A FIGURE . I THOUGHT I SAID THAT VERY CLEARLY BEFORE. MAYBE I DIDN'T. I'M NOT SAYING THAT WE ARE VOTING TONIGHT TO ASSESS A FIGURE. I AM SAYING WE ARE VOTING TONIGHT TO FIND OUT WHAT

THAT FIGURE IS. >> I GUESS WHAT I'M WONDERING IS WHY YOU THINK THEY CAN'T BE DONE AT THE SAME TIME BECAUSE

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WE FUNDED PUBLIC SAFETY. WE HAVE TO PUT THAT IN THOSE BUCKETS.

AND SO WE CAN DO BOTH AT THE SAME TIME .

>> THAT IS NOT THE TIMELINE I WAS GIVEN. THAT IS NOT MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THIS WOULD BE COMPLETE AT THE SAME TIME THAT WE WOULD BE HAVING CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THE BUDGET NEXT YEAR.

>> IT WON'T BE COMPLETE, BUT I THINK FOR THE CHAIR, IF I MAY, I THINK THAT THE CHAIR'S POINT IS, THIS IS A 10 MONTH PROCESS SET BY STATUTE. WE CANNOT -- IF YOU WAIT UNTIL JANUARY AND SAY, HEY, THE BUDGET IS LOOKING LIKE THIS, I WANT TO DO A STORMWATER STUDY, YOU ARE NOW AT THE END OF '27. SO YOU WOULD ALMOST BE 24 MONTHS OUT AT THAT POINT BEFORE YOU COULD IMPLEMENT THIS FEE STRUCTURE. BY COST DETERMINING RATE MODEL BASED ON THIS IS GOING TO COME BACK IN THE APRIL MAY TIMEFRAME. SO YOU'RE GOING TO BE RIGHT IN YOUR BUDGET. AND I THINK THROUGH WHAT BOTH OF YOU ARE SAYING IS WE ARE GOING TO HAVE ANALYSIS DONE THAT IS GOING TO SAY, IF YOU WANT TO GENERATE $20 MILLION -- I'M JUST USING A NUMBER. $20 MILLION. IT IS GOING TO COST YOU X RESIDENTIAL UNIT.

IT DOESN'T MEAN YOU HAVE TO DO $20 MILLION. CUT THAT RATE IN HALF. WE'RE GOING TO FIND THE OTHER 10 MILLION IN OUR BUDGET.

I DO THINK THE TWO THINGS WORK SIMULTANEOUSLY WITH EACH OTHER.

UNFORTUNATELY, THERE IS A THIRD LEG OUT THERE THAT IS GOING TO BE AT THAT SAME TIME YOU'RE GOING TO BE FIGURING OUT WHAT THE STATE IS GOING TO BE PUTTING ON THE BALLOT . THAT IS WHY WE KEEP TALKING ABOUT THE COUNTY MANAGER AND I HAVE HAD CONVERSATIONS ABOUT ACCELERATING TRYING TO GET THE BUDGET STARTED . ALSO GOING TO BE WAITING TO SEE WHAT THE STATE DOES BECAUSE IF THEY PUT IT ON THE BALLOT TO CUT SOME OF THE NUMBERS I HAVE SEEN IS $30 MILLION FROM OUR BUDGET IF ALL THAT STUFF PASSES.

WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO BE PREPARING FOR THAT. SO I THINK THEY ALL WORK TOGETHER. THE TIMELINE WILL BE SOMETHING.

MAYBE THAT IS WHAT WE PROBABLY NEED TO START LAYING OUT A TIMELINE WITH ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT PIECES FOR YOU.

>> YEAH. BECAUSE TO YOUR POINT -- IT IS A FAIR POINT BUT THAT WAS NOT THE TIMELINE I WAS GIVEN. WE WEREN'T GOING TO BE GETTING THE EMPIRICS TO MAKE THAT DECISION SIMULTANEOUSLY.

THAT WASN'T WHAT I WAS QUOTED. SO WHEN WE ARE TALKING ABOUT MOVING THIS DIRECTION, YOU BRING UP A VERY INTERESTING POINT. YOU BRING UP A VERY INTERESTING POINT IN THAT WE ARE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT MULTIPLE MOVING PARTS THAT INVARIABLY IMPACT OUR BUDGET COME NOVEMBER OF NEXT YEAR. BUT WE ARE GOING TO END UP HAVING TO MAKE A DECISION ABOUT OUR BUDGET IN SEPTEMBER. SO FOR ME , ALL OF THESE -- I'M NOT GOING TO BELABOR THE POINT. I FIND -- YEAH, NO. I THINK THIS CONVERSATION WAS VERY CLEAR AND ALSO JUST POINTED. IT WAS POINTED AND REALLY , DARE I CUT THE TENSION? THIS IS ACTUALLY WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR FOUR WEEKS AGO BECAUSE WE DID NOT HAVE -- I MEAN, I JUST FELT LIKE WE WERE MOVING IN A DIRECTION TO GET A PROPOSAL, BUT WE DID NOT TALK ABOUT THE IMPACTS. WE DID NOT TALK ABOUT THE TIMELINE. I JUST THINK, OKAY, BUT FAR BE IT FROM ME TO BE -- WELL, I SHOULD NOT SAY, BUT IF THE GENERAL CNSENSUS IS, LET'S JUST GO AHEAD AND MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PROPOSAL, WHAT IS THE POINT OF ASKING FOR ALL OF THOSE DETAILS TO COME FORWARD? BUT TONIGHT I THINK SATISFIES THIS ONE COMMISSIONER IN MOVING -- KNOWING FULL WELL THAT ALL OF THESE PARTS MAY OR MAY NOT BE CONGRUENT AS FAR AS THE TIMELINE IS CONCERNED. I KNOW THAT YOU ARE POINTING TO THIS, BUT THOSE DATES -- WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING TO

-- >> THOSE ARE THE DATES. TO YOUR

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APRIL TO JUNE IS THE RIGHT ORDINANCE WORKSHOP. THAT FITS RIGHT IN WITH YOUR BUDGET HEARING. USUALLY YOUR BUDGET WORKS OUT . YOUR FIRST DECISION POINT AS A BOARD TO CONTINUE MOVING FORWARD WOULD BE THAT MAY JUNE TIMEFRAME . YOUR SECOND DECISION AS A BOARD TO MOVE FORWARD WOULD BE IN THE AUGUST SEPTEMBER TIMEFRAME. SO YOU DO HAVE MULTIPLE -- MULTIPLE TIMES WHEN YOU CAN ADJUST TO YOUR POINT . AND I THINK IT ALSO FITS IN THE APRIL, MAY, JUNE TIMEFRAME FITS IN GOOD WITH YOUR BUDGET SCHEDULING. UNLESS MARK SEES OTHERWISE, I THINK WE WOULD HAVE THE DATA BACK FOR YOU TO MAKE A DECISION IN LINE WITH YOUR BUDGET AND IN LINE WITH WHATEVER IS GOING ON AT THE STATE LEVEL. AND WHATEVER OTHER UNKNOWNS WE DON'T KNOW YET.

>> COMMISSIONER SGROMOLO, DID YOU HAVE --

>> YEAH. MADAM CHAIR, UST WANT TO SAY, I UNDERSTAND YOUR WANT FOR A BROAD PROCESS . I DON'T THINK WE WOULD BE DOING OUR JOB IF WE ARE NOT LOOKING AT IT AS AN EXTREMELY, EXTREMELY BROAD PROCESS. THE PURPOSE OF THE STUDY IS FOR JONES EDMUNDS TO COME BACK. WHAT I WOULD ASK THEM AS A COMMISSIONER IS, I WANT AS MANY DIVERSE OPTIONS AS WE POSSIBLY CAN LOOK AT . AND THAT IS THE PURPOSE OF THIS BECAUSE THERE'S MULTIPLE MOVING PARTS AS WE TALKED ABOUT, BUT , REALLY, WHAT WE HAVE TO DECIDE IS AS A COMMISSION IF WE WANT TO STRATEGICALLY REALIGN OUR PRIORITIES. THAT IS WHAT THIS IS GOING TO COME DOWN TO IS WHAT IS THE BLOCKING AND TACKLING YOU WANT TO DO AS A COUNTY COMMISSION, DO YOU WANT TO FUND QUALITY-OF-LIFE THINGS CONNECT I TALKED TO TROY ALL THE TIME ABOUT THE BUDGET . IT ALL DEPENDS ON THESE FIVE -- US FIVE AND THE LEVEL OF SERVICE WE WANT TO GIVE TO OUR RESIDENTS. THAT IS WHAT IT COMES DOWN TO. YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR. THAT IS SOMETHING WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO DECIDE IS, HOW WE WANT TO DO THAT. THIS STUDY IS A TOOL TO HELP YOU THROUGH THAT PROCESS INSTEAD OF GUESSING. INSTEAD OF SAYING, WELL, I THINK IT WOULD BE THIS MUCH OR, WELL, THERE IS ALSO THE ONE THAT SAYS THAT ONCE WE FIND WHAT WE FEEL AS A CONSENSUS IS THE BEST ASSESSMENT , WHETHER IT IS A FEE OR DOLLAR AMOUNT THAT YOU COULDN'T DECREASE THE MILLS SOMEWHERE ELSE AND INCREASE THE MILL FOR STORM WATER. THAT IS ALSO SOMETHING YOU COULD DO. SO I JUST THINK WE HAVE HEARD FROM MANY, MANY MEETINGS -- AND THE LAST MEETING WE TALKED ABOUT STORMWATER FOR ME IN MY DISTRICT, THIS IS WITHOUT A DOUBT A PRESSING ISSUE AND SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO ACT ON IN SOME WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM AND THE MORE DATA THE BETTER OFF WE ARE GOING TO BE AND THE SMARTER DECISION WE ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO MAKE FOR THE FUTURE. SO I JUST WANTED TO

SOME ALL THAT UP. >> WE ALREADY HAD IT. WE HAD A

MOTION AND A SECOND. >> I JUST WANT TO ADD, THIS IS NOT A SILVER BULLET, I.E., OUR SPARKER IS NOT A STORMWATER FEE.

THEY ARE LOOKING AT GRANTS. THEY ARE LOOKING AT GENERAL FUNDS.

THEY ARE LOOKING AT ALL SOURCES. YOU CAN'T CHARGE THROUGH A FEE ENOUGH MONEY TO FIX THE STORMWATER PROBLEM IN CLAY COUNTY. YOU CAN'T DO IT. BUT IT IS ONE OF YOUR TOOLS. TODAY WE DON'T HAVE THE TOOL, THUS WE ARE IN THE SITUATION WE ARE IN TODAY. BUT WITHOUT A PROFESSIONAL , INSTEAD OF THE BACK OF THE ENVELOPE, WHICH I THINK WE DID IN 2019, NOW WE ARE GOING TO HAVE AN OFFICIAL PROFESSIONAL LOOK AT THIS TO GIVE US AMMUNITION TO GO FORWARD OR NOT. SO I AM FOR IT.

>> OKAY. SO WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER RENNINGER. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER SGROMOLO. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, INDICATE BY SAYING AYE. THOSE OPPOSED. MOTION

CARRIES, 4-1. >> IS THERE A POSSIBILITY WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO GO TO 34 FIRST?

>> SUMMER? I THINK 33 MIGHT TAKE A LITTLE.

[34.  Approval for the Jacksonville Transportation Authority to continue to serve as the Community Transportation Coordinator for Clay County. (T. Nagle)]

>> WE ARE GOING TO SKIP FORWARD TO ITEM NUMBER 34, APPROVAL OF THE JACKSONVILLE TRANSPORTATION AUTHORITY TO CONTINUE TO SERVE AS THE COMMUNITY TRANSPORTATION COORDINATOR FOR CLAY COUNTY.

>> SO THIS IS YOUR -- DO YOU WANT TO PRESENT IT ?

>> I DON'T HAVE ANY . >> YOU CAN SPEAK TO IT.

>> SO CURRENTLY -- REGIONAL COUNCIL TRANSPORTATION ADVANTAGE COORDINATOR . CURRENTLY JTA IS THE TRANSPORTATION PROVIDER.

THEY ARE ON A ONE-YEAR EXTENSION. SO CURRENTLY THEY ARE LOOKING TO EXTEND THAT. I DO KNOW RIGHT NOW I GUESS COUNTY HAS DONE A THREE-YOUR EXTENSION. I GUESS FOR THE CTC THEY ARE WANTING TO DO THE THREE-YEAR AS WELL. ACCORDING TO THE STATE, IT

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>> JUST TO CLARIFY, THAT DOESN'T COMMIT YOU FINANCIALLY TO ANYTHING PAST THE THREE-YOUR CONTRACT YOU'RE IN. THAT JUST SAYS THE JTA WILLBE YOUR CTC FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS IF THAT IS THE CHOICE . THE SEPARATION IS THE COUNTY PAYS FOR ADDITIONAL SERVICES ABOVE WHAT THE STATE DOES.

>> CORRECT. >> JUST FOR CLARITY.

>> QUESTIONS FOR SUMMER. WE APPRECIATE ALL YOU DO, SUMMER.

YOU REALLY DO A GREAT JOB. ALL RIGHT. SO I WILL ENTERTAIN A

MOTION. >> I WILL MOVE APPROVAL.

[33.  Approval of a Resolution of the Board of County Commissioners of Clay County, Florida, Declaring the Honorary Designation of College Drive, From State Road 21 (Blanding Boulevard) to County Road 220, in Clay County, Florida as the "Charles James Kirk Memorial Drive".]

>> SECOND A MOTION. >> WE HAVE A MOTION, SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, INDICATE BY SAYING AYE.

THOSE OPPOSED. MOTION CARRIES, 5-0. ITEM NUMBER 33. APPROVAL OF A RESOLUTION FOR THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS DECLARING THE HONORING DESIGNATION OF COLLEGE DRIVE IN CLAY COUNTY FLORIDA . JAMES KIRK MEMORIAL DRIVE . AND THIS IS UNDER OLD BUSINESS. SO I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION OR DISCUSSION.

>> I WILL OPEN. I PERSONALLY WOULD LIKE TO DEFER THIS , PENDING WITH THE STATE'S SOLUTION TO THIS PROBLEM IS .

THEY HAVE FORWARDED AN INITIATIVE, BUT I DON'T KNOW .

SO I THINK I WOULD LIKE TO DEFER UNTIL AFTER THE STATE IDENTIFIES

. >> ARE YOU REFERRING TO THE BILL THAT HAS BEEN FILED THAT WOULD REQUIRE --

>> COLLEGES. COLLEGE DESIGNATION ROADS AND SUCH.

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>> HAVE TO REMAIN A ROAD. IT IS NOT WHO WHATEVER STAFFER WROTE THE BILL. THEY IDENTIFIED WHAT WE HAVE NAMED THRASHER HORN BOULEVARD OR WHATEVER THAT IS . BUT YEAH. CERTAINLY.

>> SO I AM -- I DID NOT OBJECT TO THE MEMORIAL SIGNS THAT WERE GOING UP. I WOULD BE HAPPY TO SUPPORT A PAUSE TO SEE WHAT THE STATE IS GOING TO DO AS FAR AS RENAMING THE ROADS. BUT I DON'T OBJECT -- I DON'T OBJECT TO WHAT WE WERE LOOKING TO ACCOMPLISH TONIGHT BECAUSE I THINK THERE IS A DISTINCTION THERE. THEY ARE NOT THE SAME THING. AND I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF MOVING FORWARD WITH WHAT WE PLAN TO DO TONIGHT. NOT THE

MISUNDERSTANDING. >> OKAY.

>> YEAH. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO DEFER. AND YOUR MOTION STILL STANDS. YOUR SECOND STILL STANDS.

>> YEAH. >> OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO WE WILL VOTE ON DEFERRAL OF THE RESOLUTION. IS THAT WHAT YOUR MOTION WAS? DEFERRAL OF THE RESOLUTION.

>> AND PENDING STATE IDENTIFICATION WHAT THEIR REQUIREMENTS ARE. BECAUSE THEY COULD SAY WE ARE GOING TO NAME COLLEGE DRIVE -- I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY ARE GOING TO SAY. THEY

COULD. WHO KNOWS? >> BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WE THINK IT

IS COLLEGE CAMPUS. >> TODAY IT IS ON THE COLLEGE

CAMPUS. >> IT IS THAT SPECIFIC ROAD.

WHAT THEY DID IS THEY TOOK A MAP OF THE WHOLE STATE. ALL OF THE COLLEGES AND UNIVERSITIES. AND THEY PICKED A ROAD. AND THAT IS THE ONLY ROAD ON SAINT JOE UP TO ST. JOHN'S CAMPUS THAT IS NAMED CURRENTLY. THAT BACKROAD IS NOT NAMED.

>> SO, OKAY. >> I AM TORN BECAUSE I COULD GO EITHER WAY. THE NAMING OF THE ROAD IS DIFFERENT THAN THE

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SO FOR THE SAKE OF ARGUMENT, WE ARE DEFERRING IT READ WE NEED TO CHOOSE WHEN WE ARE DEFERRING IT TOO -- TO .

>> NO, YOU DON'T HAVE TO BECAUSE IT WASN'T A PUBLIC HEARING. SO YOU CAN JUST BRING IT BACK .

>> OKAY. WE DON'T KNOW WHEN THE STATE IS GOING TO DECIDE.

>> SO I THINK THAT I WOULD LIKE TO BRING IT BACK AND RECONSIDER IT, THOUGH IF WHEN THERE IS MOVEMENT ON THE BILL. SO IF THE BILL -- FOR INSTANCE, IF THE BILL FAILS IN COMMITTEE, WHICH WE SHOULD KNOW PRETTY SOON HERE BECAUSE SESSION STARTS IN JANUARY , THEN I WOULD RATHER RECONSIDER THIS THEN. IT WOULD

BE OUR OWN THING. >> AFTER THE STATE DECIDES .

THEN I WOULD FEEL COMFORTABLE. BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY

ARE GOING TO DECIDE. >> I JUST DON'T WANT IT TO GET

LOST IN DEFERRAL. >> THAT IS KIND OF UP TO THE CHAIR . YOU CAN PUT IT ON THE AGENDA ANY TIME.

>> OKAY. ALL RIGHT. EVERYONE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT ?

>> YES. >> OKAY. MOVING FORWARD -- WE

[39.  Discussion of Appointment to the Drs. Inlet/Ridgewood Citizen Advisory Committee (proposed to be renamed as OakLeaf Branan-Ridge)]

OKAY. LETTERS OF ACTION. DISCUSSION OF APPOINTMENT TO THE DOCTORS CITIZEN ADVISORY COMMITTEE PROPOSED TO BE RENAMED AS OAKLEAF BRANAN-RIDGE. IS THE PROPOSAL TO BE RENAMED?

>> IT HAS ARTIE BEEN DONE . >> OKAY. WE DID THAT UNDER CONSENT. THAT WAS CONFUSING. APPLICATIONS RECEIVED FROM ERNIE DUKES AND KATHERINE SAVAGE. I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

>> I MOVE APPROVAL. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY OTHER FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR,

[40.  Acceptance of Resignations from the Charter Review Commission]

NUMBER 40. ACCEPTANCE OF RESIGNATIONS FROM THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION. CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION ALTERNATES MIKE CELLA AND MELISSA BENES BRAIN HAVE SUBMITTED THEIR

RESIGNATIONS. >> I WILL MOVE APPROVAL.

>> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?

[41.  Tourist Development Council Appointment of Cheryl Starnes]

MOTION CARRIES, 5-0. TDC APPOINTMENT OF CHERYL. AT THE OCTOBER 28, 2025 BBC, THE BOARD VOTED UNANIMOUSLY FOR CHERYL TO REPLACE THOMAS SMITH ON THE MUNICIPAL SEAT FOR A TDC. A CORRECTION NEEDS TO BE MADE WITH REGARDS TO THE SEAT APPOINTMENT.

THE APPOINTMENT WAS FOR THE SEAT HELD BY THE ELECTED MUNICIPAL FROM THE MOST POPULOUS MUNICIPALITY AND NOT THE

ROTATING ELECTED OFFICIAL. >> GOODNESS, GRACIOUS.

>> SO DO WE NEED TO REVOTE FOR IT ?

[42.  Charter Review Commission Meeting Minutes October 6, 2025.]

>> YOU DON'T NEED TO REVOTE. IT IS JUST TO CLARIFY FOR OUR PURPOSES THAT IT WAS THE CORRECT SEAT THAT THEY WERE ELECTED TO.

>> GOT IT. ANYONE HAVE ANY OBJECTIONS TO THAT ONE? LETTER FOR DOCUMENTATION CHARTER REVIEW MEETING MINUTES OCTOBER 6TH, 2025. THE ONLY THING I WANTED TO SAY ON THAT IS I HAVE GOTTEN SOME FEEDBACK FROM SOME CITIZENS AND SOME MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION. CONCERNS THAT CONVERSATIONS WERE KIND OF GOING IN CIRCLES . A LOT OF IT HAS TO DO WITH NOT GOVERNANCE AND NOT THINGS WE CAN ADDRESS BY THE CHARTER. AND SO HOPEFULLY -- I KNOW STAFF IS WORKING HARD TO TRY TO FUNNEL DOWN SOME OF THOSE ISSUES AND CONCERNS SO THAT THEY CAN PUT SOMETHING OUT THERE FOR US TO CONSIDER FOR THE BALLOT, VOICE CONCERNS FROM CONSTITUENTS WHO ARE WATCHING AND HAVE SERVED IN THE PAST, I SHOULD SAY.

ANYTHING ELSE ON THE CHARTER REVIEW MINUTES? ALL RIGHT. FOR A

[PUBLIC COMMENTS]

[04:10:03]

COME ON UP. >> GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS.

STEPHEN. I LIVE IN THE CAMERON OAKS NEIGHBORHOOD. FIRST, I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME SPEAK UP HERE. I WANTED TO BRING ATTENTION TO WHAT YOU ALL BROUGHT UP RECENTLY ABOUT -- I GUESS WE CALL IT FAKE IMAGES OR VIDEO FROM THE SHERIFF. AND THEN I WAS QUITE IMPRESSED WITH THE OTHER PERSON WHO CAME UP AND APOLOGIZED AND CORRECTED HERSELF. I THOUGHT THAT WAS AMUSING. I WISH MORE PEOPLE WOULD DO THAT. SPEAKING TO THE SHERIFF, I WANT TO SAY KUDOS TO HER. I HOPE YOU PASS THIS MESSAGE TO HER. SHE DID HAVE AN EVENT IN THE OAK LEAF AREA PUBLIC EVENT THAT ADDRESSED MEET THE SHERIFF. A NICE MEET AND GREET WITH HER. I BROUGHT UP SOME ISSUES THAT MY NEIGHBORHOOD WAS HAVING AS THE HOA PRESIDENT. I BROUGHT THEM UP AND WITH A SWIFTNESS, THOSE WERE ADDRESSED AND SOME OF THEM WERE CORRECTED.

THERE WERE SOME ISSUES WITH TRAFFIC AND A FEW OTHER THINGS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND SHERIFF PUT SOME PEOPLE ON IT AND THERE WERE A LOT OF CORRECTIONS THAT WERE MADE. SO IF YOU WOULD PLEASE PASS MY THANKS TO HER FOR THAT. AND THEN I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT COMMISSIONER SGROMOLO AND WHAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT TO COMMISSIONER COMPERE. WHETHER YOU ARE ON THE LEFT OR THE RIGHT OR THE MIDDLE, I CONSIDER MYSELF A LITTLE MORE MIDDLE THEN LEFT OR RIGHT . I KNOW CHARLIE KIRK IS A HOT BUTTON ISSUE. AND THAT NAMING A STREET AFTER A PERSON IS SOMETHING YOU HAVE TO CONSIDER , REALLY. AND I APPRECIATE YOU, COMMISSIONER RENNINGER, BECAUSE I THINK PEOPLE NEED TO REALLY DO THAT.

YOU BOTH SAID IT PERFECTLY BECAUSE YOU ONLY GET PART OF THE STORY. I DO NOT LIKE EVERYTHING MR. KIRK SAID DURING HIS EVENTS . I DIDN'T AGREE WITH EVERYTHING HE SAID, BUT ONE THING I REALLY WAS IMPRESSED WITH WAS HOW MUCH OF A LISTENER AND A DEBATER HE WAS. AND I THINK AS A PUBLIC SPEAKER , HE REALLY DID LISTEN AND HE TRIED TO GET THE OTHER PERSON'S PERSPECTIVE BUT THEN HE ALSO HAD FAXED, AND SO -- EMOTION OR IDEAS OR MAYBE JUST NOT THE RIGHT INFORMATION AVAILABLE TO THEM. AND I THINK HE -- WELL, I'M NOT GOING TO GO INTO A WHOLE THING, BUT I THINK THAT IS GOOD CONSIDERATION TO PUT A DEFERMENT ON THAT BECAUSE I THINK THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING WE COULD DO. MAYBE WE COULD DO A FEW DIFFERENT STREETS. PEOPLE FOR DIFFERENT ASPECTS OF LIFE. PICK THREE OR FOUR PEOPLE. AND I THINK SOMETHING THAT REPRESENTS EVERYBODY . AND I THINK THAT WILL BE A GREAT THING. LASTLY, THERE WAS A DISCUSSION THAT WAS BROUGHT UP EARLIER THIS YEAR ABOUT SPEED LIMIT SIGNS THAT READ YOUR SPEED BACK. I'M RUNNING OUT OF TIME HERE. THOSE WHERE I GUESS MADE AVAILABLE TO THE COUNTY OR WERE AVAILABLE TO THE COUNTY. I'M NOT SURE IF THAT IS SOMETHING STILL AVAILABLE OR IF THEY HAVE ANY STORAGE, BUT I THINK THE AREA --

>> WE ARE GETTING A NOD. >> THANK YOU. THE AREA OF CANDLEWOOD OR CAMERON OAKS NEIGHBORHOOD -- THOSE COULD DEFINITELY USE SOME THERE BECAUSE WE DO HAVE A PROBLEM WITH PEOPLE RACING. THAT WAS A CONCERN I BROUGHT UP WITH THE SHERIFF AND SHE HAS ADDRESSED SOME OF THOSE ISSUES. IT IS A THING -- A TOOL WE COULD USE THAT I THINK WILL BENEFIT THE NEIGHBORHOOD. LAST, I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. LOCAL GOVERNMENT IS A HARD THING TO DO. AND I THINK YOU DO IT REALLY WELL. THANK YOU.

[COUNTY ATTORNEY]

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. APPRECIATE YOU. ANYONE ELSE? ALL RIGHT. COMMISSION AUDITOR. OKAY. COUNTY ATTORNEY.

>> JUST A REMINDER THAT THE NEXT CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION MEETING IS ON MONDAY, NOVEMBER 17TH, AND TERESA AND I ARE WORKING WITH COURTNEY CARNER AS WELL AS THEIR COUNSEL TO NARROW

[COUNTY MANAGER]

>> ANYTHING ELSE? COUNTY MANAGER?

>> MADAM CHAIR, COMMISSIONERS, I JUST HAVE TWO ITEMS. FIRST, AS EACH OF YOU HAVE BEEN BRIEFED AND IS ALLOWED FOR WITHIN THE PURCHASING POLICY UNDER CHAPTER 6, THE EMERGENCY PURCHASES, SINCE OUR LAST MEETING, EXECUTED AN AGREEMENT FOR AN EMERGENCY REPAIR RELATED TO THE INSTALLATION OF GAS WATER HEATERS OR BOILERS AT THE COUNTY JAIL. TIME WAS OF THE ESSENCE TO RESTORE HOT WATER TO THE FACILITY AND PROVIDE FOR PUBLIC SERVICES AND FOR THE SAFETY AND WELFARE AND WELL-BEING OF THOSE WITHIN THE FACILITY. THE CONTRACTOR WAS BOILER TECHNOLOGIES UNLIMITED . THEY ARE ONE OF FOUR THAT WERE

[04:15:03]

[COMMISSIONERS' COMMENTS]

>> COMMISSIONER COMMENTS. WHO WANTS TO START ?

>> SURE. ON TOP OF THE VETERAN -- THERE IS ONE AT THE ORANGE PARK MALL. ORANGE PARK CEMETERY. I'M SURE GREEN COVE HAS ONE.

THERE SHOULDN'T BE ANY EXCUSE. ONE NEAR YOU. ON TOP OF THAT , THERE IS QUITE A FEW DISCOUNTS FOR VETERANS . ACTUALLY I HAD NEVER SEEN THIS ONE BEFORE. PUBLIX IS GOING TO OFFER A 10% DISCOUNT ON ALL GROCERIES TO VETERANS TOMORROW. HOME DEPOT HAS A DISCOUNT. LOWS AS WELL. I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO GO TO THE GROVE TWO WEEKS AGO I GUESS IT WAS. AND I RAN INTO AN OLD ACCOUNTANT THAT USED TO DO MY TAXES. WE INVITED THEM TO SIT WITH US AND IT WAS A PLEASURABLE EXPERIENCE UNTIL THE HUSBAND BROUGHT UP FCC . AND MY HEART STOPPED . FCC . BECAUSE I WAS ANTICIPATING SOMETHING. BUT WHAT CAME OUT OF HIS MOUTH WAS QUITE THE OPPOSITE. AND THAT WAS A GLOWING REPORT OF HOW WELL THEY DO THEIR JOB IN ORANGE PARK COUNTRY CLUB. SO UNSOLICITED.

TRUST ME. I DID NOT BRING UP THE SUBJECT. HE DID. BUT NONETHELESS, IT IS INDICATIVE OF I THINK THE DATA THAT CHARLIE IS COLLECTING ALL THE TIME. SO I THINK IF HE GETS NEGATIVE COMMENTS , I ALWAYS USE THE DATA I TALKED TO HOWARD ABOUT. THEY ARE COLLECTING. IT IS PRETTY IMPRESSIVE, ACTUALLY. SO THAT'S ABOUT ALL I HAVE. THE OTHER THING IS LAST THING I HAVE IS REGIONAL COUNCIL. I CAN'T GET IT OUT OF MY MIND. WE WERE DOING A MILITARY INSTALLATION READINESS REVIEW. WE'RE DOING RESILIENCY . THE ANNUAL REPORT IS OUT . AND I CAN'T SAY ENOUGH ABOUT THE BENEFIT WE GET . AND IT IS ALL CHRONICLED IN THE ANNUAL REPORT. THE BENEFIT WE GET -- RESIDENTS GET . IT IS A MAGNIFIER. THE REQUIREMENTS WE HAVE AND ALSO THE DESIRE WE HAVE TO SERVE OUR COMMUNITY. SO THEY ARE A FORCE MULTIPLIER AS THEY SAY. THAT IS ALL I HAVE. THANK YOU.

>> I HAVE , FIRST AND FOREMOST -- IT HAS BEEN A CONVERSATION TONIGHT ABOUT DEEP FAKE VIDEOS AND POSTS. ONE CAME UP A COUPLE DAYS AGO I HAD TO SEND THE SHERIFF A DEEP FAKE HOST THAT MUSHROOMED IN MY DISTRICT . AND WHAT REALLY UPSET ME -- WHAT REALLY UPSET ME WAS, ONE, I OPENED UP MY SOCIAL MEDIA ACCOUNT THAT MORNING AND IT WAS THE FIRST THING TO POPULATE. IT WAS 1000% FALSE, HOWEVER, THE PUBLISHING PAGE WAS ONE THAT MOST PEOPLE WOULD CONSIDER A TRUTHFUL SOURCE, WHICH IS PROBLEMATIC ON SO MANY LEVELS . AND SO OF COURSE MY FIRST THOUGHT WAS, OKAY, LET ME GOOGLE WHAT IS GOING ON IN CLAY COUNTY.

LET ME SEE IF I CAN FIND A LOCAL NEWS REPORT ON THIS. NOT ONE.

I'M LIKE, WAIT A MINUTE, HOW IS THE NATIONAL MEDIA PICKING UP SOMETHING THAT HAPPENED THIS MORNING AND THIS WAS POSTED AN HOUR AGO AND THERE IS NOTHING IN CLAY COUNTY THAT IS SUGGESTING THIS IS TAKING PLACE ? AND IT REALLY UPSET ME. SO OF COURSE I SENT A TEXT TO THE SHERIFF REALLY QUICK BECAUSE SHE WAS QUOTED -- MISQUOTED IN THIS FAKE ARTICLE . IT IS JUST A REALLY MESSY SITUATION AS FAR AS HOW MUCH ACCESS WE HAVE TO INFORMATION WHOLESALE AND HOW MUCH OF IT IS FALSE. HOW MUCH OF

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IT'S NOT FAIR. BUT I WANT TO HAT TIP AGAIN -- -- I SHOULD HAVE. MAYBE NEXT YEAR I WILL RUN IN HIGH HEELS.

THANKS FOR THAT, COMMISSIONER. BUT COMMISSIONER BURKE, COMMISSIONER SGROMOLO JOINED ME AT OAKLEY HIGH SCHOOL SATURDAY MORNING AT 8:00 A.M. AND WE HAD SO MANY AMAZING STAFF. THAT IS REALLY WHAT I WANT TO ALSO ADDRESS IS THAT OUR COUNTY STAFF DID A PHENOMENAL JOB NOT ONLY PUTTING THIS TOGETHER WITH THE VETERANS COUNCIL AND THE SCHOOL BOARD , BUT THEY IMPROVED ON WHAT I THOUGHT LAST YEAR WAS A REALLY GREAT PROGRAM . AND SO I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU PUBLICLY AGAIN TO CHOICE TEAM JUST LATE -- PARTICULAR AND ALL THE LADIES SHE GOT TO COME OUT AND RUN WITH HER. I WAS TRYING TO KEEP UP WITH JEAN. WHERE IS JEAN? HE LEFT. JEAN MAKES ME SO MAD. LET ME TELL YOU. YES. SO HE WAS BEHIND ME. I'VE GOT SHOTS OF THIS. HE WAS BEHIND ME WHEN I TOOK OFF. I LITTLE STANDING RUN TO TAKE PHOTOS. HE HAPPENS TO BE IN THE SHOP. I TURNED AROUND TO TAKE THE PHOTO. HE IS BEHIND ME.

NEXT THING I KNOW HE IS FLYING PAST ME. AIN'T NO WAY JEAN IS ABOUT TO BEAT ME. SO WE GET TO THE HILL, THE OVERPASS ON 23.

I'M LIKE, HE DID NOT KICK IT INTO HIGH GEAR. IF I CAN GET HIM ON AN INCLINE. SO I DID. I PASSED JEAN. I'M KILLING IT. HE IS OLDER THAN ME BY A LOT. IT'S FINE. IT'S FINE. GOD WILL HUMBLE YOU. GOD WILL HUMBLE YOU. AS I AM CROSSING THE FINISH LINE, APPROACHING THE FINISH LINE, MY I WAS OFF THE BALL. I PULLED OUT MY PHONE TO RECORD HOW AMAZING IT WAS AT THE FINISH LINE. LOOK AT ALL OF THESE PEOPLE. THEY ARE JUST SO ENCOURAGING. THEY ARE ENCOURAGING OUR VETERANS. AND HERE COMES JEAN FROM BEHIND. PASSES ME WITH SECONDS TO THE FINISH LINE. SO JUST A CAUTIONARY TALE. NEVER TAKE YOUR EYES OFF OF THE BALL. JEAN, I'M COMING FOR YOU NEXT YEAR. I AM JUST SO THANKFUL THAT -- IT WAS A FUN WAY TO HONOR OUR VETERANS.

SO MANY CAME OUT. ALMOST 200 FOLKS SIGNED UP AGAIN THIS YEAR.

IT WAS REALLY NEAT TO PARTICIPATE. VETERANS COUNCIL HAD -- AND THE COUNTY HAD VENDORS WHO CAME OUT . AND IT WAS REALLY NEAT. THEY WERE THERE I THINK UNTIL 1:00. I DID NOT STAY UNTIL 1:00. BUT IT WAS A GOOD TIME. LAST BUT NOT LEAST, I KNOW THAT SOME FOLKS ARE GOING TO BE TOO BUSY TO CHIME IN.

MAYBE YOU CHIMED IN TONIGHT. HAVE A BEAUTIFUL THANKSGIVING. I HOPE THAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWN IS NOT INTERFERING WITH YOUR ABILITY TO COMMUNE WITH YOUR FAMILY THIS HOLIDAY SEASON.

THERE IS A LOT GOING ON. WE HAVE GOT A LOT TO BE ASKING GOD FOR HELP ABOUT IN THIS COUNTRY. FOR THOSE WHO ARE STRUGGLING TO GET HOME, OUR HEARTS ARE WITH YOU. MY HEART IS WITH YOU. HAVE A

BEAUTIFUL THANKSGIVING. >> MA'AM, CAN I STEAL A SECOND? CONGRATULATIONS ON WINNING YOUR AGE GROUP FOR THE 5K.

>> I DON'T KNOW IF THAT IS A COMPLIMENT OR NOT WHEN THEY SAY,

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YOUR AGE GROUP. >> 30 TO 39. I'M GOOD WITH IT.

>> COMMISSIONER BURKE. >> I WILL START OFF BY SAYING HAPPY VETERANS DAY TO EVERYONE. I HAVE TO SAY, I DID NOT KNOW -- WE LIVE IN FLORIDA -- WHY IS THERE SO MANY HILLS IN OAK LEAF? TERRIBLE. THE HILL -- OKAY, WE HAD TO GO OVER 23. EVERYBODY IS LIKE, OH, I DON'T WANT TO DO IT. THEN YOU HAVE TO COME BACK AND IT STARTS INCLINING WAY BEFORE. WE ARE LIKE -- BUT I WILL SAY JOY DID IT WITH US ALSO.

>> THAT IS TRUE. THAT IS RIGHT . YES. BUT IT WAS NICE WHEN YOU GO DOWNHILL. KIND OF CATCH YOUR BREATH AGAIN. I THOUGHT WE DID GREAT. SO NEAT TO SEE EVERYBODY THERE. A LOT OF GREAT TURNOUT, I FELT LIKE . I THINK THAT IS ALL I HAD TONIGHT. THAT WAS EXCITING

AND FUN. THANK YOU. >> IT WAS IN FACT TOUGHER THAN YOU THINK. REAL QUICK. TDC MET LAST WEEK . ORANGE PARK FALL FESTIVAL . 30,000 PEOPLE ATTENDED , WHICH WAS FANTASTIC OVER THE TWO-DAY WINDOW. ONE OF OUR BIGGEST TOURISM EVENTS. SOME OTHER GOOD NEWS. WE HAVE SIX EVENTS LOOKED AT THE REGIONAL SPORTS PARK WITHIN THE NEXT FIVE MONTHS. SO SOME OF THEM ARE PRETTY LARGE WITH SOME LARGE AMOUNTS OF TEAMS. WE APPROVED A GRANT FOR THE BERTRAM TRAIL PROGRAM, WHICH IS A REALLY COOL EXPERIENCE FOR EVERYONE THAT LIVES IN CLAY COUNTY . WHAT THE GRANT DOES IS GIVES THEM FUNDING TO ESSENTIALLY CREATE A TOUR OF WHERE WILLIAM BARTRAM CAME TO CLAY COUNTY WAY BACK IN THE DAY.

DON'T QUOTE ME. MAYBE 1800S. I'M LOOKING FOR SOME -- 1780S.

RIGHT. 1780S. SPOTS IN CLAY OTE THROUGH THEIR WEBSITE, THEY WILL BE PUTTING STANCHIONS IN CLAY COUNTY WHERE GUESTS CAN COME UP AND SCAN A QR CODE, READ ABOUT IT. IT WAS KIND OF EMOTIONAL. HE WAS IN EAGLE HARBOR AND HE MADE COMMENTS ABOUT THE BOAT RAMP.

THAT IS REALLY NEAT. LAST THING WITH TDC. HE HAS IMPROVED SOME OF THE REIMBURSEMENT PROCESS IS -- HE WILL HELP US ON THE BACKEND IN TERMS OF COMPLIANCE AND ALSO MAKING SURE WE ARE GETTING THE DELIVERABLES THAT WE NEED YOU HAD TWO PERSPECTIVES OF THE 5K RUN. HE WAS MY PERSPECTIVE. I WOKE UP AT DAWN.

I LACED UP MY SHOES AND I STRETCHED WITH A JAN. THE VETERANS 5K . I SIT WITH BREAKFAST STILL HALF ON MY PLATE. THE CANON FIRED LOUD AND CLEAR. I JUMPED THREE FEET AND SHIFTED GEARS. I TOOK OFF SPRINTING. PEELING UNSTOPPABLE.

CROWDS WERE CHEERING, GO COMMISSIONER. BUT THEN CAME THE COMPERE SISTERS. ONE, TWO , AND THREE , GLIDING PAST ME SO GRACEFULLY. I GAVE A WAVE AND A HUMBLE GRIN THINKING, NEXT YEAR I BETTER STRETCH BEFORE I BEGIN. THEN I SPOTTED COMMISSIONER BURKE AHEAD. SHE WAS CRUISING ALONG , CALM, STRONG, AND STEADY. THEN CAME THE HILLS, ENORMOUS AND MEAN. BUT THEN I PUSH THROUGH EACH STEP FOR THE VETERANS WE RAN FOR , RED, WHITE, AND BLUE. WHEN I CROSSED THE FINISH LINE SWEATY, SMILING, AND FEELING FINE, I CHEER FOR AUBREY AND THE CREW, THE DREAM TEAM WHO MADE IT ALL COME TRUE. MOST OF ALL WITH A HEART FULL AND BRIGHT, I GIVE THANKS TO THOSE WHO FOUGHT THE GOOD FIGHT.

FOR EVERY VETERAN NEAR AND FAR AWAY, WE RAN GRATEFUL ON THAT PROUD PLAYED A -- CLAY DAY. SO THAT WAS MY EXPERIENCE. SO WHILE WE TALK ABOUT THE NEGATIVS OF AI, I MAY HAVE HAD SOME ASSISTANCE . SO BUT SERIOUSLY, THANK YOU TO ALL OF OUR VETERANS. MY FAMILY, MY DATA, MY GRANDFATHER, MY UNCLE, MY COUSIN, WHILE MY WIFE'S GRANDFATHER, HER UNCLE, HER COUSINS. THE LAST COMMENT TONIGHT. WE HAVE A MEMBER OF STAFF -- OUR AWESOME COUNTY MANAGER IS GOING TO GET A NEW CALLSIGN. NOW IT IS GOING TO BE -- FOUND OUT THEY WERE HAVING A GIRL. SO HE IS GOING TO HAVE A GRANDFATHER TO A BABY GIRL COMING UP HERE IN A LITTLE BIT. CONGRATS TO THAT. THAT'S ALL

I'VE GOT. THANK YOU. >> OKAY. I HAVE TO MAKE YOU WORK A LITTLE BIT MORE. I HAVE TWO ISSUES THAT I WAS ASKED BY

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JOHNS COUNTY HAS A LOT OF MONEY. SORRY TO OUR FRIENDS ON THE COMMISSION. BUT I DIDN'T KNOW IF THAT WAS SOMETHING WE WANTED TO CONSIDER. ONE OF OUR FOOD BANK MANAGERS ASKED ME IF I WOULD BRING THAT UP FOR CONSIDERATION. I KEEP HEARING THAT THE SHUTDOWN WAS ENDED OR NOT ENDED . SO I'M NOT REALLY CLEAR ON WHERE THAT IS. I DID NOT FOLLOW THE NEWS TODAY, SO I DON'T KNOW IF IT IS SOMETHING SOMEONE WANTS TO DISCUSS, BUT I WANTED TO POSIT MINUTE AND STOP TALKING TO LET YOU COMMENT ON THAT. IF THERE IS ANY COMMENTS.

>> OKAY. SO IT MAY NOT BE AN ISSUE. OKAY.

>> I WOULD ALSO SAY ONE OF THE THINGS I HAVE SEEN THROUGHOUT THE SHUTDOWN THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF PEOPLE -- IT HAS BEEN PRETTY HUMBLING TO SEE COMMUNITY GROUPS STEPPING UP, STEPPING FORWARD, DOING DRIVES . SCHOOLS DO IT AS WELL. SO NOT THAT I WOULD BE AGAINST IT, BUT I THINK WHAT COMMISSIONER RENNINGER SAID THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT SOUNDS LIKE THEY ARE GETTING TO THE FINISH LINE. GOING TO SEE WHAT HAPPENS.

>> I WOULD AGREE WITH YOU. THE OTHER INTERESTING THING THAT I WOULD HAVE NEVER CONSIDERED THAT OCCURRED IN OUR COMMUNITY. IT REALLY GAVE ME PAUSE . I DON'T KNOW IF YOU FOLLOW THE NEWS IN KEYSTONE HEIGHTS, BUT KEYSTONE HEIGHTS HAS ONE GROCERY STORE.

IT IS HITCHCOCK'S GROCERY STORE. THEY CONSIDER THE WINN-DIXIE STORE IN BELLEROSE . AND IT IS A LITTLE BIT FURTHER AWAY. THE ONLY PLACE TO BUY GROCERIES IN OUR COMMUNITY.

WELL, HITCHCOCK SOLD. AND SO HITCHCOCK'S CLOSED DOWN. AND WINN-DIXIE -- I KNOW THAT YOU ARE FOLLOWING THE NEWS. THE WINN-DIXIE CORPORATION SOLD OR WAS BOUGHT BY ALI. ALI WAS MAKING SOME OF THE WINN-DIXIE'S AND LEAVING SOME WINN-DIXIES.

THE WINN-DIXIE FAMILY BOUGHT BACK SOME OF THEIR STORES . SO AT ANY RATE, LONG STORY SHORT, IN KEYSTONE , THE WINN-DIXIE IN MELROSE IS BECOMING IN ALDIE -- AT WHAT POINT IT IS STILL OPEN AS A WINN-DIXIE AND WHAT POINT IT WILL BE, WE DON'T KNOW. BUT AS YOU KNOW THE ONE IN FLEMING ISLAND, THERE WAS A SHUTDOWN PERIOD WHERE IT WAS CLOSED SO THEY COULD CONVERT TO ALDIE.

WELL, THE HITCHCOCK'S CLOSED. AND IT WAS BOUGHT BY THE WINN-DIXIE FAMILY AND THEY ARE MAKING IT INTO A WINN-DIXIE. IT IS NOT GOING TO BE REOPENED UNTIL JUNE OF '26. SO WE HAVE ABOUT A NINE MONTH PERIOD , AND OUR FOOD BANK DIRECTOR IN KEYSTONE TOLD ME ONE OF THE THINGS THEY HAVE SUFFERED FROM THE MOST IS A LOT OF FOOD DONATIONS CAME FROM OVERRUNS AND THINGS AT THE GROCERY STORE. SO THEY ARE REALLY HURTING IN ADDITION TO THE FIRST WEEK OF NOVEMBER. SHE NORMALLY HAS ABOUT 500 PEOPLE -- FAMILIES COME THROUGH. SHE HAD 900 COME THROUGH. I THINK THERE WERE PEOPLE WHO WERE PANICKING THAT NORMALLY GET SNAP BENEFITS AND WERE PANICKING. SO HOPEFULLY THAT WILL LEVEL OUT. BUT FOR US TO CONSIDER FOR PEOPLE HURTING IN OUR COMMUNITIES , THERE IS BASICALLY A FOOD DESERT HAS BEEN CREATED IN MY COMMUNITY THAT I DID NOT ANTICIPATE. FOR ME, I WOULD ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO INVESTIGATE KROGER DELIVERY . I USE KROGER A LOT AND THEIR PRICES ARE VERY GOOD. WAY CHEAPER THAN A LOT OF THESE OTHER PLACES . FOR INSTANCE, A HALF-GALLON OF MILK IS A DOLLAR 99. SO AT ANY RATE I WOULD JUST ENCOURAGE YOU TO INVESTIGATE AND CONSIDER. I KNOW A LOT OF OUR OLDER SENIOR CITIZENS ARE AFRAID OF APPS AND AFRAID OF USING ONLINE SERVICES. THEY COULD BE LIKE MY MOM AND BOUGHT THREE CASES OF COFFEE -- BUT WE CAN TRY TO HELP YOU. I THINK THERE'S SERVICES IN TROY'S GROUP AND JASON AND ALL TO TRY TO HELP PEOPLE IN ALL OF OUR LIBRARIES. IF SOMEONE IS STRUGGLING HOW TO ORDER GROCERIES, THAT COULD BE A RESOURCE -- WE COULD PURSUE. JUST WANTED TO BRING THAT UP .

IT'S SOMETHING I HAD NOT CONSIDERED. THE SECOND THING I WAS ASKED TO BRING UP IS THE ACTING CITY MANAGER OF THE CITY

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IT MAKES THINGS EASIER. I DON'T KNOW WHAT ST. JOHNS SAID. I JUST KNOW THEY PASS IT IT.

>> THEY GO 28 MILES AN HOUR. ONE ALMOST HIT MY CAR AS I WAS COMING CROSSWALK. FLYING THROUGH. TRAIL SAYS NO MOTORIZED VEHICLES AND YET THEY HAVE ALL THESE E-BIKES . SO IT IS ONE OF THE THINGS I HAVE BEEN LOOKING AT AND LOOKING FOR GUIDANCE FROM THE STATE. I DON'T THINK THERE IS ANY GUIDANCE FROM THE STATE.

THERE IS LEVEL ONE, TWO, AND THREE OF E-BIKES. LEVEL THREE

WOULD BE 30 MILES AN HOUR. >> IT BECAME A BIG DEAL IN ST.

JOHN'S COUNTY BECAUSE THEY HAD SEVERAL SEVERE INJURIES AND EENAGERS. THAT IS WHEN ARE GOING TO LOOK -- COMMISSIONER FLUM SGROMOLO TALKS ABOUT. PEOPLE LOOK AT US TO TAKE IN ACTION IF SOMETHING GOES BADLY . BUT IF IT DOESN'T -- I DON'T KNOW THAT WE WANT TO LEGISLATE.

>> I THINK IT IS WORTH A LOOK. LEGAL LEGISLATIVE LOOK . HOW DO THEY TREAT E-BIKES? THEY ARE A GREATER DANGER THAN A MANUAL

PANEL. >> MAY BE A -- I WAS THINKING ABOUT THIS TOO. MAYBE AN AGE RESTRICTION BECAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT BUBBLED UP -- MY CONVERSATION. THE REASON WHY RICHARD HAD TO COME TO DISTRICT TWO WAS BECAUSE A CHILD WAS RIDING ON ONE AND HIT A BUS AND THE COMMUNITY WENT CRAZY. BUT IF YOU READ THE ARTICLE, IT SAYS VERY PLAINLY THAT THE KID HIT THE BUS . SO WHO AM I TO TELL A PARENT WHETHER THEY CAN PUT THEIR CHILD ON AN E-BIKE? THAT IS COMPLETELY OUT OF MY PURVIEW . BUT I THINK THAT THEIR -- THERE ARE CONVERSATIONS TO BE HAD ABOUT THAT BECAUSE IT COMES OUT IN EAGLE LANDING ALL THE TIME FOR THE SAME REASON COMMISSIONER RENNINGER THAT THE CARS CANNOT PASS THE SIDEWALK AND THESE KIDS -- THESE KIDS.

EAGLE LANDING HAS A LOT OF KIDS WRITING THESE THINGS AND THEY ARE SO YOUNG. THEIR PREFRONTAL CORTEX HAS NOT BEEN DEVELOPED YET AND SO THEY CANNOT ASSESS RISK WELL. SO THEY DON'T SEE CARS. THEY ARE NOT LOOKING FOR CARS . AND WHO AM I TO TRY TO EDUCATE A CHILD? THAT IS THE PARENTS RESPONSIBILITY. THERE MAY BE SOMEWHERE THAT WE CAN COME ALONGSIDE AND HELP . BUT I AM JUST VERY MINDFUL OF WHAT I THINK A GOVERNMENT'S ROLE IS IN THE LIVES OF YOUNG PEOPLE AND WHERE WE SHOULD BE INVOLVED AND WHERE WE SHOULDN'T. POINT WELL MADE. I JUST FIND IT TO BE VERY INTERESTING THAT THE NEWS DID REPORT IT. THE CHILD HIT THE

BUS. >> IF YOU ARE THAT BUS DRIVER, YOU NEVER TRAUMA OF THE EXPERIENCE. I GUESS WHAT JIMMY BOOTH WAS TOLD BY THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT WAS IT WOULD BE MUCH EASIER IF THEY HAD SOMETHING TO ENFORCE RATHER THAN TRYING TO MAKE UP A CALL.

INAUDIBLE ] >> OKAY. THE ONLY OTHER THING I WANTED TO TELL YOU IS IF YOU ARE NOT PAYING ATTENTION TO THE EVENTS GOING IN KEYSTONE HEIGHTS, YOU ARE MISSING OUT .

THEY HAVE A HUGE EVENT EVERY HALLOWEEN CALLED BLUE ON THE BOULEVARD. I WOULD VENTURE TO GUESS -- WE WERE HANDING OUT CANDY FOR HOURS . I WOULD GUESS MORE THAN 5000 PEOPLE ATTENDED THAT . A GREAT EVENT IF YOU WANT A SAFE EVENT FOR YOUR KIDS. I HAD PEOPLE TELLING ME THEY WERE COMING FROM OCALA AND THEY COME

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AND YOU CAN GET YOUR PICTURE TAKEN WITH HIM. I DID. AND HIS NAME IS ANDY THE CRANE. AND ANDY THE CRANE WAS A REAL CRANE IN THE 1920S THAT ADOPTED THE TOWN . AND HE WOULD GO -- THERE IS A BOOK THAT HAS BEEN WRITTEN ABOUT HOW ANDY THE CRANE WOULD INTERACT WITH THE CITIZENS . AND EVENTUALLY HE BIT SOME PEOPLE AND THEY HAD TO CONTROL THAT A LITTLE BIT.

>> OF THE TOWN. AT ANY RATE, GO AND EXPLORE THAT. THE FIRST 80 KIDS THAT CAME TO THAT GOT A COPY OF THAT CHILDREN'S BOOK ABOUT ANDY THE CRANE. AND I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO PURSUE LOOKING AT THAT.

AND THEN FINALLY IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO THIS COMING SATURDAY NIGHT FROM 5:00 TO 9:00, THERE IS THE MAYORS BALL THAT IS MAKING IT'S COME BACK IN THE CITY. FRIENDS OF KEYSTONE HEIGHTS OR PUTTING IT ON. IT IS AT THE RV RESORT $125 PER COUPLE. IT REALLY GOES TO A GOOD CAUSE TO

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