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>> ALL RIGHT. I'M GOING TO CALL THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD MEETING OF NOVEMBER 6, 2025, WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND START THE MEETING AND WE'RE WAITING FOR JUST A SECOND TO LET OUR MEMBER STEVE JOIN US. ALL RIGHT. SO THE MEETING IS NOW
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CALLED TO ORDER AND I WILL TAKE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF MINUTES. HAS EVERYBODY HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT MINUTES, ANYCORRECTIONS OR ADDITIONS? >> I DON'T BELIEVE I GOT THE
>> NOW I DO HAVE A QUESTION BETH. WHAT
IS RACHEL'S LAST NAME? >> HITE.
>> IN ONE PART IT IS SPELLED KITE.
>> I CAN MAKE AN APPROVAL WITH THAT CORRECTION.
>> I'LL TAKE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL WITH MS. HITE'S NAME BEING CORRECTED IN THE MINUTES.
>> HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
>> AYE. . >> ANY OPPOSED? SO CARRIED. ALL
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RIGHT. PUBLIC COMMENT, SINCE THERE'S NOBODY HERE, WE'LL GO AHEAD ON TO OLD BUSINESS, WHICH IS KATHY AND HER CEMETERY.>> OKAY. SO MY UPDATES ON CEMETERY WORK, I TALKED TO THE GENTLEMAN AT CAMP BLANDING ABOUT OUR SITE VISIT THERE.
UNFORTUNATELY, DUE TO THE GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWN WE'VE BEEN UNABLE TO SCHEDULE A SITE VISIT. HE WANTS ME TO FOLLOW UP WITH HIM RIGHT BEFORE THE WEEK OF THANKSGIVING AND I DID GIVE HIM THE GPS COORDINATES FOR THE TWO CEMETERIES THAT WE DO NOT HAVE REGISTERED WITH THE STATE OF FLORIDA AND HE STILL HAS NOT BEEN ABLE TO LOCATE THEM. HE SAYS ONE'S IN THE FOREST AND ONE'S IN A FIELD. SO WE HAVEN'T DETERMINED IF THERE'S ACTUALLY A CEMETERY THERE. ONE THING I DIDN'T PUT ON MY LIST WAS THAT WE'VE BEEN DOING A LOT OF WORK AT THE SOLDER CEMETERY IN ORANGE PARK AND WE HAD A YOUTH GROUP THAT CAME OUT LAST SUNDAY FROM THE CATHOLIC CHURCH AND DID SOME MAINTENANCE WORK AND OH, MY GOSH, IT WAS A HUGE GROUP, HUGE, AND THEY DID A TERRIFIC JOB CLEANING UP A BUNCH OF STUFF. WE WERE VERY PLEASED TO HAVE THEM OUT THERE. SO WE ARE VERY EXCITED ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF VOLUNTEERS THAT WE HAD COME OUT AND THEY'RE WILLING TO COME OUT AGAIN. WE'RE ALSO STARTING TO WORK ON MCKENDRE HAMMOCK CEMETERY ACROSS FROM DOCTORS INLET SCHOOL. IT IS ON PRIVATE PROPERTY. I HAD BEEN TOLD EVEN THOUGH IT'S REGISTERED WITH THE STATE THAT IT HAD BEEN ABANDONED AND WAS WAY OVERGROWN. THE FOLKS THAT OWN THE PROPERTY HAVE PASSED AWAY AND THEIR DAUGHTER HAS NOW TAKEN OWNERSHIP OF THE PROPERTY.
SHE HAS GIVEN US PERMISSION. SHE'S EXTREMELY EXCITED THAT WE'RE INTERESTED IN RESTORING THE CEMETERY. I'VE ALSO REACHED OUT TO THE BOY SCOUTS AND A BOY SCOUT FROM TROOP 482 IN FLEMING ISLAND MET US OUT THERE AND HE WANTS TO DO THE RESTORATION OF THAT CEMETERY AS HIS EAGLE PROJECT, WHICH WE'RE VERY EXCITED ABOUT. WE WILL BE KIND OF OVERSEEING THE PROJECT AS FAR AS THAT GOES, BUT THE BOYS WILL ACTUALLY BE DOING THE RESTORATION WORK. IN THE MEANTIME WE ARE DOING RESEARCH OF THE BURIALS AND THE HISTORY BEHIND THE CEMETERY, WHICH IS RATHER CHALLENGING BECAUSE A LOT OF THE GRAVES IN THERE HAVE NO DATES. SOME OF THEM DON'T EVEN HAVE NAMES, BUT I'VE KIND OF GONE THROUGH QUITE A BIT OF THEM. A LOT OF THEM ARE BURRS FAMILY, WILFORDS, SOME FOUNTAINS. THERE ARE TWO MILITARY STONES IN THERE. ONE WE ACTUALLY FOUND THE STONE. THE OTHER ONE WE HAVE NOT, BUT THE WPA SAYS SAY THAT THEY HAVE PUT
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THAT MILITARY STONE OUT THERE AT MCKENDRE. SO I'M SURE ONCE HE STARTS DOING HIS RESTORATION WORK, WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO FIND IT. SO I'M VERY EXCITED ABOUT THAT. WE ARE STILL TRYING TO LOCATE THE CEMETERY OFF OF SPRINGBANK ROAD, WHICH IS GARNER LIGE. I'VE TALKED TO ELIZABETH PEEPLES WHO ACTUALLY LIVES ON SPRINGBANK AND SHE'S HELPING US DETERMINE WHO THE CURRENT PROPERTY OWNER IS SO THAT WE CAN DO A SITE VISIT AND THEN ADD IT TO THE FLORIDA STATE MASTER FILE. WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY LUCK WITH THE TAYLORS LANDING THAT'S OFF OLD HARD ROAD. IT'S SO INTERESTING THAT IT'S ON PROPERTY APPRAISER AND THE DEED DOES SAY THAT IT IS A CEMETERY, BUT WE DON'T EVEN KNOW IF ANYBODY'S EVER BURIED THERE. STILL HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO GET TO IT. I THINK WE'LL HAVE TO HIKE THROUGH THE WOODS TO TRYAND FIND THAT. >> CAN I ASK A QUESTION ON THAT?
>> SURE. >> WHEN THERE IS A BURIAL, THEY NEED TO FOLLOW A STATE PROCEDURE FOR BURIAL. SO WOULD THERE BE
ANY RECORDS THROUGH -- >> IF IT'S PRIVATE PROPERTY, THEY DON'T NECESSARILY NEED TO FUND IT. IT'S NOT A LICENSED
CEMETERY. >> BUT THE BODY HAS TO BE PREPARED A CERTAIN WAY AND I THINK THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS ANYWAY, DON'T THEY?
>> BUT THE DEED TO THIS PROPERTY DATES BACK TO THE EARLY 1900S.
>> SO WE DON'T THINK WE WOULD HAVE ANYTHING.
>> NO. BUT IT IS ON PROPERTY APPRAISER AND THE DEED DOES SAY IT WAS DEEDED TO BE A CEMETERY. WE JUST HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO GET TO IT AND CAN'T SEEM TO FIND PEOPLE THAT ARE RELATED TO DETERMINE IF THERE'S ACTUALLY BURIALS ON THAT PROPERTY, BUT PROPERTY APPRAISER SAYS IT'S A CEMETERY. SO THAT'S INTERESTING.
JUST KIND OF AN UPDATE, F-PAN, THE FLORIDA PUBLIC ARCHEOLOGY NETWORK, HAS THEIR CEMETERY RESEARCH PROTECTION CONFERENCE COMING UP NEXT YEA . IT'S A TWO-DAY CONFERENCE IN MONTICELLO, FLORIDA, FEBRUARY 26TH AND 27TH. I PLAN TO ATTEND. I THINK MY HUSBAND'S GOING TO ATTEND AS WELL. IT'S A TWO-DAY EVENT THAT'S FOCUSED ON PRESERVING FLORIDA'S HISTORIC CEMETERIES AND IT'S OPEN TO ANYBODY THAT WANTS TO REGISTER FOR IT. THERE IS A FEE, BUT I'M VERY EXCITED ABOUT IT. I THINK IT WOULD BE A GREAT THING TO GO TO, THINGS TO LEARN ABOUT. THOSE ARE THE ONLY THINGS I HAVE ON CEMETERY. I HAVE A COUPLE OTHER THINGS, BUT I'LL WAIT TILL LATER.
>> YEAH. IT'S BEEN AMAZING AT PLEASANT POINT, SO TOTALLY FINISHED CLEARING IT. ALL THE TREES HAVE BEEN CLEARED. ALL THE STUMPS HAVE BEEN GROUND AND WE FOUND OUT TODAY THE FENCE IS GOING TO START BY DECEMBER 4TH AND WILL BE DONE BY DECEMBER 20TH AND WE'LL HAVE A BIG GATHERING TO COMMEMORATE THE CEMETERY AND PUT UP THE SIGN ON NOVEMBER 20TH . SO IT'S GOING TO BE ALL DONE AND THEN I CAN HELP YOU A LITTLE BIT. JUST A QUICK COMMENT. CAN WE PRESENT AT THIS THING?
>> OH, AT THE CONFERENCE? >> YEAH. BECAUSE WE'RE THE
PEOPLE ON THE GROUND. >> I'LL SEND YOU THE LINK BECAUSE THEY ARE ACCEPTING PRESENTATIONS FOR SUBMITTAL AND
APPROVAL BY DECEMBER 1ST. >> GREAT.
>> SO I'LL SEND IT TO YOU SO YOU CAN LOOK AND SEE IF YOU HAVE
SOMETHING YOU WANT TO PRESENT. >> GREAT. THANK YOU. HEY, TWO QUESTIONS. SOME PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY HAVE HELPED US SO MUCH. DOES THE PRESERVATION BOARD EVER ACKNOWLEDGE PEOPLE OR THANK THEM BY HAVING THEM COME AS A PUBLIC ENTITY AND --
>> WE HAVEN'T IN THE PAST, BUT YOU'RE WELCOME TO ADD THAT IF YOU ALL WOULD LIKE TO DO THAT. WE COULD SEE ABOUT COMING UP WITH A CERTIFICATE OR SOMETHING OF APPRECIATION.
>> ALL RIGHT. I MIGHT EMAIL YOU AND SEE WHAT WE CAN THINK OF.
WE'D HAVE TILL JANUARY, FEBRUARY, WHATEVER.
>> CERTAINLY. >> LAST QUESTION, THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS ARE THE ONES THAT OVERSEE MAGNOLIA SPRINGS
CEMETERY. IS THAT CORRECT? >> I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S THE CITY OF GREEN COVE THAT OWNS IT OR THE COUNTY, BUT ONE OF THE TWO DOES OWN MAGNOLIA SPRINGS CEMETERY.
>> I THOUGHT IT WAS THE COMMISSIONERS. I'M TRYING TO FIND OUT WHO TAKES CARE OF IT BECAUSE THEN PERHAPS WE COULD TALK TO THEM ABOUT TAKING CARE OF PLEASANT POINT AND IF THE COUNTY'S WORKING WITH THEM, THE COUNTY WOULD ALREADY FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH THAT SO THAT WHEN WE WRITE A PROPOSAL FOR TAKING CARE OF THE CEMETERY THROUGHOUT THE YEAR TO GET GRANT MONEY FOR THE BLACK CEMETERIES, THEN WE WOULD HAVE AN ENTITY THE COUNTY IS ALREADY WORKING WITH AND THEY COULD PROBABLY GIVE US
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A GOOD PRICE ON WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO KEEP UP WITH THECEMETERY. >> MAY BE ABLE TO TELL YOU MORE ABOUT THAT. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S THE COUNTY OR CITY OF GREEN COVE THAT OWNS IT. IT'S THE ONLY ONE THAT'S OWNED BY
ONE OF THOSE TWO ENTITIES. >> I HAVE A QUESTION. I'M A NEWBIE. SO I KNOW YOU'VE BEEN DOING A LOT OF CEMETERY WORK.
THERE WAS A POINT BEFORE YOU STARTED WORKING ON IT AS YOU COULD BARELY SEE AN ARCH FROM THE ROAD, EXTENSIVE CUTTING OF TREES, CLEARING OF LAND, WHO PAID FOR ALL THAT AND WHO APPROVED ALL THAT? I'M NOT DENIGRATING IT. I'M JUST ASKING, LIKE WHAT IS THE PROCEDURE WHEN YOU SEE AN ABANDONED PIECE OF LAND IN A WETLANDS AREA -- IT'S DEFINITELY WET THERE -- WAS THAT YOU JUST GET TO DO WHAT YOU WANT, BUT WHO PAID FOR CUTTING DOWN THE TREES AND ALL THAT?
I'M JUST CURIOUS. >> THIS HAS BEEN THE MOST AMAZING THING BECAUSE I STARTED IN THE BACK OF THE CEMETERY BY MYSELF WITH SOME CLIPPERS MYSELF AND IT'S AN ACRE AND ONE-FOURTH. IT'S UNOWNED LAND. SO EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE I HAD TO NAVIGATE THAT BECAUSE PEOPLE WOULD TELL ME I HAD NO BUSINESS OUT THERE, BUT IN THE END THE PROPERTY OWNER THAT OWNS ALL THE LAND AROUND IT, HE'S THE ONE PUTTING THE FENCE UP. HE CAME OUT TO HELP. AS FOR THE TREES, IT WAS ALL ME AND RICHARD, THE FORMER FIRE CHIEF FOR CLAY COUNTY. DO YOU GUYS KNOW HIM? IT WAS ALL OUR OWN MONEY AND ALL OUR OWN CHAINSAWS. WE JUST LUCKED OUT. THE COUNTY DECIDED THEY WOULD PICK UP STUFF AT THE ROAD FOR US. WE HAULED STUFF. WE GOT A SPECIAL THING WHERE WE COULD HAUL STUFF TO THE WASTE MANAGEMENT AREA. SO IT'S JUST UNBELIEVABLE IT ALL WORKED OUT. IT DIDN'T COST US VERY MUCH, BUT IT CAME OUT OF OUR POCKETS.
>> I GUESS I LIVE IN THE TOWN OF ORANGE PARK AND THEY'VE GOT THIS -- I CAN'T EVEN NECESSARILY CUT DOWN A TREE ON MY OWN PROPERTY AND NOT BE IN VIOLATION OF WHAT KIND OF TREE IT IS AND HOW BIG IT IS AND I DROVE BY THERE RECENTLY LIKE LAST WEEK OR SO AND I WENT WHOA. TO ME GOING INTO A FIELD OF, YOU KNOW, DEAD CORN STALKS AND SAYING I WANT TO CLEAR THIS FOR A CEMETERY IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT. THAT WAS A MASSIVE
PROJECT. >> WHEN THEY DID THE SUCH GRINDING, IT WAS 426 STUMPS THEY GROUND. SO THAT'S HOW MANY --
>> AND ST. JOHNS RIVER MANAGEMENT DIDN'T TELL YOU YOU WERE TOO THEY'RE A CREEK OR ANYTHING?
>> NOBODY CAME OUT AND RICHARD KNOPH I THINK STRETCHED THE RULES A BIT. I HATE TO PUT THAT ON RECORD. I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT. I MEAN NOBODY CHALLENGED US. EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE SOME NEIGHBORS CAME OUT VERY UPSET ABOUT WHAT WE WERE DOING, BUT IT'S UNOWNED LAND. IT TOOK THE VA A LITTLE BIT TO PROCESS THAT.
OH, AND MOSES JOHNSON'S HEADSTONES WILL BE HERE MONDAY.
THAT'S ONE OF OUR VETERANS FROM THE CIVIL WAR. THIS IS LIKE A ONE OFF. I DON'T THINK IT COULD EVER HAPPEN LIKE THIS AGAIN.
IT'S JUST BEEN AMAZING. >> THAT CEMETERY IS DEEDED TO BE A CEMETERY. IT'S NOT OWNED BY ANYONE. IT WAS MANAGED BY TRUSTEES WHO HAVE NOW ALL PASSED WHICH WE'VE RUN INTO WITH SOME
OTHER ONES AS WELL. >> I WAS JUST THINKING OF THERE'S SO MANY ENVIRONMENTAL THINGS NOW, SOME GOING ON BEHIND MY HOUSE WHICH IS CLARK PARK BEHIND MY HOUSE AND, YOU KNOW, THEY'VE JUST GOT CERTAIN THINGS. ORANGE PARK'S TRYING TO WORRY ABOUT FLOODING AND WHETHER YOU CUT TREES DOWN OR DON'T OR REMOVE THEM AND THAT WAS VERY MASSIVE. BEFORE AND AFTER IS ASTONISHING. KUDOS AND HOPEFULLY NO ONE WILL COME AFTER YOU AND SAY YOU CUT DOWN MY TREES. I DON'T KNOW. I'M NEW AT IT, SO I KNOW YOU'RE GOING FORWARD WITH ENTHUSIASM AND HEY, WE FOUND ANOTHER ONE. LET'S CLEAR IT UP AND MAKE IT NICE, BUT MAYBE THAT ISN'T ALWAYS ALLOWED. I JUST WONDERED HOW MUCH PERMITTING YOU HAD TO DO AHEAD OF TIME AND THAT KIND OF
STUFF. >> IT DEPENDS ON THE CEMETERY.
THE ONE THAT I MENTIONED THAT WAS MCKENDRE HAMMOCK IS ON PRIVATE PROPERTY. SO WE'VE GOTTEN PERMISSION FROM THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY TO DO RESTORATION. WE'RE NOT PLANNING TO TAKE DOWN ANY TREES. WE'RE JUST CLEARING BRUSH AND CLEANING THE STONES AND THAT KIND OF THING.
>> I'M A LIBERTARIAN AT HEART. SO I KIND OF LIKE YOU CAN DO WITH YOUR OWN PROPERTY WHAT YOU WANT TO DO, BUT GOVERNMENT OFTEN DOESN'T AGREE WITH THAT. I'M JUST CURIOUS ABOUT HOW THINGS ARE DONE. DO WE HAVE BUDGETS TO PAY PEOPLE TO CUT DOWN TREES? SOUNDS LIKE WE DON'T NEED THEM.
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>> A LOT OF TIMES IT DEPENDS. IT'S VOLUNTEERS OR IT'S PEOPLE THAT MAKE DONATIONS. THE ONE WE'RE WORKING ON IN ORANGE PARK IS NOT IN THE TOWN OF ORANGE PARK. IT'S IN THE UNINCORPORATED PART OF CLAY COUNTY. IT ALSO IS NOT OWNED.
IT'S A DEEDED CEMETERY AND WE HAVE PERMISSION FROM ONE OF THE TRUSTEES THAT MANAGE IT TO DO STUFF AND WE'RE NOT -- AGAIN, WE'RE JUST CLEARING BRUSH AND REPAIRING STONES AND THINGS OF
>> JUST MENTION ONE OTHER THING. THE PROPERTY OWNER FINISHED CLEARING THIS. I THINK IT COST HIM ABOUT 18,000 TO FINISH CLEARING IT AND GRIND THE STUMPS AND NOW HE'S PUTTING A FENCE AROUND IT AND IT'S ABOUT 20,000. HE DOESN'T OWN IT. I'LL BE QUICK. HE OWNS THE LAND AROUND IT, BUT THE FAMILY ALWAYS FELT LIKE IT WAS THEIR CEMETERY, BUT I WAS TOLD WHEN I WAS OUT THERE IF HE FINDS ME OUT THERE, HE'LL SHOOT ME, BUT AS IT TURNED OUT, HE PUT ME ON HIS GOLF CART, GAVE ME A TOUR OF THE LAND AND THEN AS HE WARMED UP TO WHAT WE WERE DOING, NOW HE'S SPENDING UP TO 20 SOME THOUSAND DOLLARS TO MAKE SURE IT'S DONE
RIGHT. >> I SAW YOU HAD A CITY SIGN OUT THAT SAID CEMETERY ENTRANCE AHEAD 250 FEET OR SOMETHING.
>> THAT'S THANKS TO THE BOARD HERE. THANK YOU, GUYS, FORGOT TO
MENTION THAT. >> THAT WAS QUICK.
>> I SENT A PICTURE TO YOU. >> YES, YOU DID. SORRY, I SHOULD
HAVE SHARED THAT. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I DIDN'T EXPECT A SIGN. I THOUGHT A LITTLE SIGN WITH AN ARROW OR SOMETHING. I DIDN'T EXPECT THAT. WE DID A FUNDRAISER --
>> IT'S ON A CURVE. >> IT'S DANGEROUS COMING IN AND
OUT OF THERE. >> I MIGHT NOT MAKE IT IN AND OUT OF THERE ALIVE, BUT WITH THE SIGNS NOW I WILL. WHAT WAS I GOING TO SAY? WE DID A FUNDRAISER ON FACEBOOK. WE ONLY RAISED ABOUT 350 BUCKS, BUT THAT BOUGHT US THE SIGN AND GAVE US A LITTLE BIT OF MONEY THAT WE CAN EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE TO PUT A LITTLE TINY BIT OF MONEY IN IT AND THE SIGN WE'LL HAVE UP AND REVEAL ON THE 20TH IF ANYONE CAN COME OUT TO THE CEMETERY AND I'M DONE. SORRY ABOUT ALL THAT.
>> YOU'RE FINE. ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. SO THAT'S THE CEMETERY UPDATE. NOW WE WILL GO ON TO NEW BUSINESS AND THERE'S NOTHING UNDER THE AGENDA FOR THAT UNLESS ANYBODY HAS ANYTHING THEY WANT
TO SAY ON NEW BUSINESS. >> I HAVE A QUESTION. AGAIN, READING OVER ALL THE PACKET ABOUT ALL THE THINGS WE CAN DO AND HAVE TO DO AND SHOULD DO AND CAN APPROVE THEREOF AND BUILDINGS AND LAND AND ALL THAT, A LOT OF THE LAST SAY SIX MONTHS WHERE I'VE BEEN AWARE OF YOUR CEMETERY PROJECTS AND STUFF, DO WE HAVE A MEETING WHERE WE SIT DOWN AND TALK ABOUT WHAT KIND OF STUFF DO WE WANT TO CONCENTRATE ON BESIDES CEMETERIES?
>> THAT'S WHAT THIS IS FOR. SO IF YOU HAVE ANY IDEAS ABOUT WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE BOARD DO, WRITE IT UP. YOU CAN SEND IT TO BETH TO BE INCLUDED UNDER NEW BUSINESS AND THEN WE'LL TAKE IT
UP THE NEXT MEETING. >> OKAY. I DIDN'T KNOW. I FIGURED MAYBE END OF THE YEAR YOU'D DO A 2026 PLAN LIKE LET'S WORK ON TRYING TO FIND SOME INDIAN VILLAGE SITES OR SOMETHING, LOOK AT BARTROM'S OLD RECORDS AND TRY TO PLOT THEM OUT. SOMETHING I DON'T EVER REMEMBER SEEING A SIGN IN CLAY COUNTY THIS IS WHERE THE SO AND SO INDIANS CAMP FROM HERE TO HERE UNTIL THEY WERE KICKED OUT.
>> SO THERE IS A COMMITTEE AND I'M PROBABLY JUMPING AHEAD OF MYSELF HERE, BUT THERE IS A COMMITTEE THAT'S WORKING ON THE
BARTRAM TRAIL FOR CLAY COUNTY. >> I'VE BEEN TO THOSE. THE TRAIL ITSELF IS LAID OUT. YOU HAVE LOTS IN PUTNAM COUNTY, LOTS ELSEWHERE. THE DIFFERENT SITES ARE THERE, ONE OF WHICH I SUGGESTED IN ONE OF THE MEETINGS THEY HAVE A CANOEING TRIP WHERE THEY MIGHT DRIVE-IN. THIS IS PART OF THE TOURISM. YOU DRIVE-IN AND STAY AT WINTERBORN OR CLUB CONTINENTAL, TAKE YOUR KAYAK TO THE PARK AND GO FROM THERE TO THERE AND THERE AND COME BACK UP AND CAMP AT THE CAMP, WHATEVER THEY CALL IT NOW AND GO BACK UP. YOU'VE GOT A ONE NIGHT OUT AND STAY IN THE LOCAL HOTELS, BUT IT'S THE OTHER PART THAT I'VE HEARD THAT NOT BARTRAM SR., BUT BARTRAM JR. WENT UP AND DOWN AND BECAUSE EVERYTHING ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE RIVER IS GREEN COVE TERRITORY THAT THERE'S GOT TO BE SETTLEMENTS. THERE'S GOT TO BE STUFF IN THERE. I DIDN'T PULL IT UP AND READ IT YET, BUT I JUST WONDERED. THAT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO SEE MORE OF THE
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SITES THAT HE TALKED ABOUT THAT WERE PRE-ENGLISH THAT ARE TOTALLY GONE PERHAPS. I DON'T KNOW. IT'S SOMETHING DIFFERENT.>> YOU'RE MORE THAN WELCOME TO DELVE INTO THAT AND MAKE A REPORT TO THE COMMITTEE AND WE CAN TAKE IT FROM THERE, SEE WHAT
YOU COME UP WITH. >> AND MOSTLY WHAT YOU WOULD DO, THEN, IF IT'S NOT CLEARING LAND, IT'S JUST SAYING HEY, FROM HERE TO HERE THIS WAS IMPORTANT TRADE ROUTE OR
WHATEVER. >> IT WOULD ALSO DEPEND ON THE LOCATION BECAUSE WE, OF COURSE, CAN'T GO ON PRIVATE PROPERTY AND DO ANYTHING AS FAR AS WITHOUT THE LANDOWNER'S
PERMISSION AND ALL THAT. >> BUT YOU MIGHT PUT UP A SIGN
TO SAY -- >> WELL, YOU CAN'T EVEN PUT UP A SIGN WITHOUT THEIR PERMISSION.
>> OH, OKAY. >> JUST LIKE WITH THE HISTORICAL HOMES, IF PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO REGISTER THEM AS HISTORICAL HOMES, THEN WE HAVE NO JURISDICTION TO SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, ABOUT THE WAY THEY ARE REMODELED OR UPDATED OR ANYTHING. SO SOME OF IT IS LAND REGISTER WITH US TO THEN HAVE OVERSIGHT. SO WE JUST CAN'T GO IN THERE AND PUT UP SIGNS SAYING, YOU KNOW, INDIAN VILLAGE WAS HERE 250 YEARS AGO. YOU
KNOW, WE JUST CAN'T. >> I SAW THE LIST OF ALL THE HOUSES AND STUFF. BECAUSE I'M IN ORANGE PARK, I KIND OF LIKE WENT WOW, THESE PLACES AREN'T EVEN VERY OLD, BUT HOW DID THEY GET ON YOUR LIST? MY HOUSE IS NOT ON YOUR LIST, BUT I AM CLOSE TO THE CLARK PARK AND THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, AN OLDER SECTION, BUT IF I WANTED TO SAY HEY, MY HOUSE IS NOW GETTING CLOSE TO 60 YEARS OLD OR 50 YEARS OLD, WHATEVER IT IS, BUILT IN '68, WHAT DOES THAT DO FOR ME? HOW DID THESE PEOPLE GET ON THE LIST AND WHY ARE THEY ON THE LIST, I GUESS, IS MY QUESTION?
>> YOU'RE STEALING MY THUNDER A LITTLE BIT. THAT'S OKAY. WHAT I SENT OUT WAS THE MASTER SITE FILE THROUGH THE STATE. THAT IS PEOPLE GET ON THERE OR PROPERTIES GET ON THERE A COUPLE DIFFERENT WAYS, IF THEY VOLUNTARILY DO IT OR IF THERE IS A SURVEY DONE OF THE COMMUNITY, THEN THEY HAVE AN INDICATION OF THE AGE OF THOSE PROPERTIES AND THEN, I GUESS, PEOPLE WOULD STILL CONTINUE TO GO AND FILL OUT THE RECORDS FOR THOSE PROPERTIES. I WANTED TO TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT AND I CAN, BUT WHAT I PROVIDED YOU WAS THE DATABASE FROM THE MASTER SITE FILE FROM THE STATE FOR CLAY COUNTY.
>> SO FOR CEMETERIES IT HAS TO BE AT LEAST 50 YEARS OLD. IT DOES NOT HAVE TO HAVE THE OWNER'S PERMISSION TO BE REGISTERED WITH THE STATE ON THE FLORIDA MASTER SITE FILE.
>> SO I COULD ACTUALLY REGISTER MY NEIGHBOR'S HOUSE, WHICH IS TWO YEARS OLDER THAN MINE, AND IT WOULD BE ON A LIST OR --
>> I DON'T KNOW MUCH ABOUT THE BUILDING PART.
>> I'M JUST CURIOUS. IF YOU WANT TO SAVE PEOPLE HALF THE VALUE OF THEIR TAXES, BUT WE ALREADY TALKED IT WASN'T REALLY THAT. THEY MIGHT SAY HEY, SIGN ME UP. OTHERWISE WHAT WOULD BE THE ADVANTAGE OF GETTING ON THE STATE'S LIST OR THE
DISADVANTAGE? >> I THINK THE ADVANTAGE IS JUST TO GET THE RECOGNITION AND THE ACKNOWLEDGMENT THAT THIS IS A HOUSE OR STRUCTURE THAT COULD BE OF POTENTIAL HISTORIC VALUE. THE NEXT STEP WOULD BE A LOCAL DESIGNATION. SO IF OUR BOARD COULD DESIGNATE -- THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS COULD DESIGNATE IF WE HAD POLICY THAT ALLOWED THAT, THOSE STRUCTURES WOULD BE PROTECTED. RIGHT NOW IT'S MORE A MATTER OF DOCUMENTING THE HISTORIC PROPERTIES AND SITES THAT ARE OUT THERE AND I HAVE A MAP THAT I'M GOING TO SHARE WITH YOU ALL, BUT I CAN WAIT. I WANT TO MAKE SURE YOUR QUESTIONS ARE --
>> YEAH. IT SOUNDS INTERESTING, JUST A WHOLE NEW AREA THAT I'M
LEARNING ABOUT. >> ME AS WELL.
>> IF THERE'S NO OTHER BUSINESS, WE'LL GO ON TO THE SECOND, PUBLIC COMMENT, WHICH THERE'S NOBODY HERE.
>> I HAVE A COUPLE THINGS I CAN ADD.
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>> AND NOW WE WILL GO TO BETH FOR STAFF COMMENTS.
>> OKAY. I HAVE QUITE A FEW. THE FIRST ONE HAS COME UP DURING
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THIS MEETING. SO THERE IS A LANDSCAPE CODE IN THE COUNTY AND NO TREES -- ACTUALLY READS THAT NO CLEARING OR GRABBING OR TREE REMOVAL SHOULD BE DONE WITHOUT THE SUBMITTAL AND APPROVAL OF A LANDSCAPE PLAN WITH THE COUNTY FOR ANY NONRESIDENTIAL PROPERTY.SO WE CAN TALK FURTHER ABOUT THAT, BUT THERE SHOULD NOT BE ANY TREES BEING REMOVED ON BUT THAT BEING SUBMITTED. THAT WOULD ALSO HELP TO IDENTIFY WHETHER THERE ARE ANY TREES THAT ARE WITHIN WETLANDS BECAUSE THAT'S A WHOLE OTHER THING. YOU CANNOT BE REMOVING TREES IN WETLANDS OR FLOODPLAIN AREA. SO I WOULD ASK THAT YOU REACH OUT TO US IF YOU'RE LOOKING TO REMOVE ANY KIND OF TREES IN THE FUTURE. THAT IS A CONCERN.
>> I HAD NO IDEA. >> UNDERSTAND. THAT'S NOT ALWAYS OUT THERE FOR PEOPLE TO KNOW, BUT I'M GLAD THIS TOPIC GOT DISCUSSED TONIGHT SO WE CAN -- AND I'D BE HAPP TO ANSWER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THE LANDSCAPE ORDINANCE IF YOU HAVE ANY. SO LAST TIME WE TALKED ABOUT THE BUDGET AND I SAID THAT I WOULD COME BACK AND PRESENT THE BUDGET INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE FOR THIS YEAR. SO THIS YEAR'S BUDGET FOR '26, WE HAVE A BUDGET OF 10,400 AND BELOW THAT I'VE SHOWN YOU THE MARKERS THAT WE HAVE IN VARIOUS STAGES AND THE COST TO THE MARKERS AS A PRESENT DAY COST OF THE MARKERS. THAT HAS CHANGED, OF COURSE, OVER THE YEARS. SO WE HAVE THE BRANDONFIELD MARKER WHICH IS IN PRODUCTION, SO WE WILL DEFINITELY BE ON THE HOOK FOR SPENDING THAT 3070. ST. MARY'S EPISCOPAL THEY TOLD ME WOULD POSSIBLY BE IN THE SPRINGTIME, FIVE, SIX MONTHS AFTER THAT. SO POTENTIALLY THAT COULD BE WITHIN THIS CALENDAR YEAR AS WELL, SO ANOTHER 3,000. MIDDLEBURG COLORED SCHOOL IS IN PROGRESS AND WE HAVE COMMUNITY CONTRIBUTIONS FOR THAT, SO NOT SURE HOW MUCH THAT WILL BE, BUT THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
MIDDLEBURG MUSEUM IS ALSO IN PROGRESS, AGAIN 3,000 ON THAT ONE AND THEN FORT 11. SO THAT'S KIND OF OUR BUDGET IS PRETTY WELL COMMITTED THROUGH THE YEAR AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST DEPENDING ON THE COUNCIL WHEN THEY REVIEW THINGS AND THROUGH THE PRODUCTION PROCESS. SO I WANTED TO SHARE THAT WITH YOU.
>> WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE COUNCIL, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT
THE COMMISSIONERS? >> THE STATE COUNCIL THAT REVIEWS OUR MARKER APPLICATIONS. I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T MAKE THAT
CLEAR. >> YEAH. THESE ARE ALL STATE
MARKERS, CORRECT? >> CORRECT, YES. NOW, OF COURSE, MIDDLEBURG MUSEUM HAD WANTED TO HAVE A SIGN PUT UP ON THEIR SITE. I'M CONFUSED. DO WE OWN THAT PROPERTY, BILLY? DOES THE COUNTY OWN THAT PROPERTY? I THINK WE DO.
>> I BELIEVE SO. >> WE'LL HAVE TO WORK ON THAT ONE TO SEE HOW THAT SIGN COULD BE PUT UP. AND BILLY HAS ARRIVED AT NUMBERS FOR THE COST OF SIGNS AS WELL AS THE COST FOR INSTALLATION AND THAT WILL BE ADDED TO THE APPLICATION. WE'LL ALSO HAVE TO FIGURE OUT A WAY THAT THAT FUNDING CAN BE ADDED TO OUR BUDGET. WE'LL WORK ON THAT.
>> DO WE HAVE A FINAL APPLICATION FOR THE COUNTY
SIGNS? >> NO. IT'S NOT ABSOLUTELY FINAL. WE STILL HAVE THESE NUMBERS TO ADD TO IT, BUT IF THEY WANTED TO GO AHEAD AND APPLY, I CAN GIVE THEM WHAT WE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON UPCLOSE E'S GOT ALL THE FIELDS WE NEED FOR THEM TO FILL IN AS FAR AS THEIR -- I WAS THINKING WE ALSO NEED TO HAVE MAYBE A RESOURCE LIST, THAT THEY NEED TO PROVIDE US WITH SOME RESOURCES FOR THEIR DATA BECAUSE THEY'RE GIVING US INFORMATION OF HISTORIC VALUE. SO CAN IT BE DOCUMENTED? SO BEFORE WE GO PUTTING IT UP ON A SIGN, CAN WE DOCUMENT THIS OR IS THIS JUST SOMEONE'S PERSONAL ACCOUNT?
>> TALKING ABOUT WHAT SUPPORTS THEIR INFORMATION?
>> YES, YES. >> OKAY. SO THEY HAVE THAT.
>> I DON'T THINK THERE WAS A PLACE FOR THAT TO BE ON THE APPLICATION. SO I'M THINKING THAT SHOULD BE SOMETHING ADDED TO THE APPLICATION FOR THEM TO PROVIDE TO YOU BECAUSE YOU WOULD THEN BE FINESSING THE WORDING OF THE SIGN, BUT ALSO POSSIBLY RESEARCHING THE DOCUMENTATION TO MAKE SURE THAT IT IS ACCURATE BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT MATERIAL
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GOING ON THE SIGN. YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE IT'S CORRECT.>> OKAY. I KNOW THEY'RE EAGER TO GET THE COUNTY SIGN UP THERE.
IT'S GOING TO TAKE A WHILE FOR THE STATE ONE.
>> OH, YES, QUITE A WHILE. >> ANY FUTURE MARKERS WOULD BE IN THE YEAR 2027. FOR INSTANCE, IF WE PUT FORWARD VERBIAGE FOR PLEASANT POINT, THAT WOULD BE THE FOLLOWING YEAR AFTER NEXT
YEAR. >> IT WOULD FOLLOW WHATEVER THE LAST ONE IS, I MEAN FORT FORT 11.
>> I THOUGHT MAYBE THIS HAD MAXED OUT THE BUDGET FOR 2026 OR
IS THERE MORE MONEY FOR -- >> NO. THIS IS IT. 1040 IS IT.
SOME OF THOSE WILL BE ROLLED INTO THE NEXT YEAR.
>> UNLESS YOU WANT TO DO A COUNTY SIGN, WHICH THE COST IS
GOING TO BE CONSIDERABLY LESS. >> CORRECT. YOU COULD. OKAY. YOU HAD RAISED THE THOUGHT OF DOING MORE WORK OTHER THAN HISTORIC MARKERS WHICH UNDERSTANDABLY THAT'S PART OF YOUR MISSION IS TO DO SOME OTHER THINGS. I'M GOING TO SHARE THIS MAP WITH YOU. THIS IS -- WHAT'S COMING AROUND TO YOU AND I DON'T HAVE MORE COPIES. WE'RE TRYING TO BE CONSCIOUS HOW MUCH INK WE'RE USING TO PRINT THINGS. THIS IS A MAP I ASKED THE DEPARTMENT TO COME UP WITH USING THE PROPERTY APPRAISER'S DATA FOR YEAR BUILT TO LOOK AT THE PROPERTIES IN THE COUNTY AND SEE WHAT PROPERTIES WE HAVE THAT ARE OVER 50 YEARS OLD. SO I USED 1976 AS THE THRESHOLD YEAR, WHAT'S BEEN BUILT PRIOR TO THAT. AND SO GIS DID A MAP. THERE IS A DATABASE EXCEL FILE THAT GOES WITH THIS.
OBVIOUSLY THE PROPERTY APPRAISER'S DATA BECAUSE THAT'S NOT TERRIBLY HELPFUL. I WAS HOPING THAT IT WOULD HELP US TO TARGET AREAS THAT HAVE CLUSTERS. OBVIOUSLY SUBDIVISIONS GO IN AT A CERTAIN TIME. SO YOU KNOW YOU'VE GOT THIS SUBDIVISION THAT WAS MAYBE BUILT IN 1975. SO THAT CERTAINLY QUALIFIES, BUT ALL THIS IS GETTING TOWARDS THE IDEA OF PERHAPS APPLYING FOR A GRANT FOR A SURVEY THAT WE COULD ULTIMATELY THEN START BUILDING THE MASTER FILE WITH ADDITIONAL -- THE STATE MASTER FILE WHICH WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT WITH ADDITIONAL PROPERTIES JUST TO RECORD THEM, GET THEM. THIS ALSO WOULD BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU ALL TO, IF YOU CHOOSE TO, USING THAT EXCEL TIME, YOU CAN LOOK AT THE RECORDS AND FIND THAT HOUSE THAT WAS BUILT IN 1929. WE CAN HELP DO SOME SORTING AND FIGURE OUT WHERE THOSE ARE. IF YOU WANTED TO DO SOME OUTREACH AND DO SOME RESEARCH, YOU COULD HELP BUILD THAT MASTER SITE FILE BECAUSE JUST BECAUSE WE HAVE A SURVEY DONE DOESN'T MEAN THAT DATA ALL GETS PUT IN. IT JUST IDENTIFIES WHERE THESE SIGNIFICANT RESOURCES ARE. SO THIS WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT YOU COULD WORK ON IF YOU WERE INTERESTED. ANOTHER THING THAT IN -- I DID REACH OUT TO THE STATE TO SEE SOME OTHER THINGS THAT COULD BE DONE AS A BOARD. THEY SUCKED ALSO YOU COULD WORK ON HERITAGE TRAILS WHICH SIMILAR TO THE BARTRAM TRAIL, AND ALSO EDUCATIONAL OUTREACH EVENTS. SO IF THERE WAS SOMETHING YOU WANTED TO DO ALONG THAT LINES, YOU OBVIOUSLY HAVE EXPERTISE IN CEMETERY CLEAN-UP. I DON'T KNOW WHAT OTHER FIELDS, WHAT OTHER AREAS YOU MIGHT WANT TO, BUT PERHAPS YOU COULD HAVE AN EVENT THAT BROUGHT SOME AWARENESS TO THAT.
>> I KNOW THE ORANGE PARK HISTORICAL SOCIETY JUST DID THEIR MOONLIGHT ON MAGNOLIA WHICH THEY DO EVERY YEAR AT THE MAGNOLIA CEMETERY, WHICH IS AN AWESOME EVENT. I WISH THEY HAD DONE MORE ADVERTISEMENT ABOUT IT, BUT IT WAS A GREAT TOUR AND THERE'S SEVERAL OF THEM I'VE BEEN TALKING TO SOME OTHER FOLKS AT SOME OF THE OTHER HISTORIC CEMETERIES ABOUT, DOING HISTORIC TOURS AND TALKING ABOUT THE PEOPLE THAT WERE BURIED THERE AND THE LIFE THAT WAS IN CLAY COUNTY. SO WE HAVE SOME DISCUSSIONS AND STUFF THAT KIND OF FALL UNDER THAT EDUCATIONAL
AREA YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. >> I'M SURE SHE WOULD ALWAYS APPRECIATE EXTRA HELP WITH THE EVENTS SHE SETS UP AND ALSO AT
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THE MUSEUM. MELISSA, DO YOU HAVE ENOUGH VOLUNTEERS THERE? DO YOUNEED VOLUNTEERS? >> WE COULD ALWAYS USE MORE.
>> WE DEFINITELY NEED TO EXPAND VOLUNTEERS AND BOARD MEMBERS.
>> OKAY. CERTAINLY THINGS LIKE THAT HELP GET THE WORD OUT.
LETME SEE. >> ONE OF OUR CURRENT VOLUNTEERS, BOB SKALLON, IS PUTTING TOGETHER A TOUR OF OLD
HICKORY GROVE CEMETERY. >> YEAH. HE'S TRYING TO WORK ON THAT. THEY'RE ALSO DOING A BIG VETERANS EVENT ON VETERANS DAY
AT MAGNOLIA. >> OKAY. WELL, WE COULD THINK OF SOME OTHER EVENTS, MAYBE IF THERE'S OTHER EVENTS, MAYBE THERE COULD BE A BOOTH SET UP, A TABLE SET UP, CREATE A HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD AND WE COULD HAVE SOME MAPS, SOME DATA. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANTED TO FIND WAYS LIKE THAT THAT ARE NOT GOING TO COST MONEY BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY OUR BUDGET IS NOT THERE. THAT MIGHT BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO JOIN AN EVENT AND BRING AWARENESS. YOU'RE SEPARATE FROM THE GREEN COVE HISTORIC BOARD AND THE ORANGE PARK HISTORIC BOARD, BUT MAYBE IF YOU
SEE THAT -- >> PUT TOGETHER SOME SELF-GUIDED TOURS AS WELL THAT WOULDN'T REQUIRE AS MANY VOLUNTEERS, PUBLISH THEM AND LET PEOPLE KNOW THAT THERE ARE SELF-GUIDED TOURS FOR SOME OF THESE HISTORIC PLACES.
>> AND SO YOU'RE SAYING SPECIFICALLY A HOUSE OR A TOUR OF DIFFERENT HOUSES OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT?
>> WELL, OF CEMETERIES. I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE DIFFERENT HOUSES.
A LOT OF THE AREAS DO HISTORIC HOME TOURS. RIVERSIDE UP IN
JACKSONVILLE. >> ALSO OUR TOURISM DEPARTMENT
MIGHT BE -- >> THE CLAY COUNTY HISTORIC SOCIETY HAS A COUPLE COMING UP, HISTORIC HOUSES, WHERE WE'RE
INVITING PEOPLE. >> I THINK WE JUST NEED TO GET THE WORD OUT. THAT'S THE HARD THING IS JUST LET PEOPLE KNOW ABOUT THE EVENTS AND THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON.
>> WELL, CERTAINLY DURING YOUR COMMISSIONER COMMENTS OR BOARD MEMBER COMMENTS, THAT'S A GREAT TIME THAT OUR BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS OFTEN ARE PRESENTING EVENTS THAT THEY'RE WANTING TO BRING AWARENESS TO DURING THEIR COMMENT PERIOD. SO CERTAINLY FEEL FREE TO BRING ANYTHING LIKE THAT, DATE, TIME AND BRING SOME AWARENESS TO IT. LET'S SEE. OUR NEXT MEETING WILL BE -- WE DON'T MEET IN DECEMBER, SO OUR NEXT MEETING WILL BE JANUARY 8TH. IT WOULD HAVE BEEN JANUARY 1ST, BUT I'M PRETTY SURE NONE OF YOU WILL WANT TO BE HERE ON NEW YEAR'S DAY. SO WE'VE GONE AHEAD AND MOVED IT TO THE 8TH, BUT NORMALLY IT WILL BE THAT FIRST THURSDAY AND I SENT THE CALENDAR OUT TO YOU ALL AS WELL AS THE DEADLINE FOR SUBMITTING AN ITEM THAT YOU WANT TO HAVE ON THE AGENDA, WHICH I'M HAPPY TO PUT THINGS ON THE AGENDA. SO PLEASE TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT. WITH THAT I HAVE NOTHING FURTHER OTHER THAN WISHING YOU ALL HAPPY HOLIDAYS AND I'LL SEE YOU IN JANUARY. YOU CAN ALWAYS REACH ME
BY EMAIL. >> ALL RIGHT. WE ARE NOW AT THE
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BOARD MEMBERS' COMMENTS AND WE'LL START ALL THE WAY DOWNAND WORK OUR WAY THIS WAY. >> I THINK I SAID ENOUGH
TONIGHT, THANK YOU. >> ALL RIGHT.
>> SO I HAVE TWO THINGS. I HAD TALKED TO CINDY WITH THE ORANGE PARK HISTORICAL SOCIETY TODAY AND SHE WANTED ME TO MENTION THAT THE MARKER FOR NELSON COYNE HAS BEEN APPROVED. I'M NOT SURE I KNOW WHAT THAT IS. SHE SAID THE NELSON POINT MARKER HAS BEEN APPROVED AND THEY WILL RECEIVE IT IN ABOUT SEVEN MONTHS.
>> NELSON IS BRADLEY PARK IN THE TOWN OF ORANGE PARK. IT'S THE NUMBER ONE ON THE BARTRAM TRAIL LIST. IT'S AS SOON AS YOU -- IT'S ACTUALLY IN THE TOWN OF ORANGE PARK JUST OFF PLAINFIELD STREET. THEY NAMED IT BRADLEY PARK, BUT IT IS NELSON POINT. A LOT OF PEOPLE STILL WANT TO CALL IT NELSON PARK BECAUSE HE DONATED THE LAND TO THE CITY TO MAKE A PARK AND THAT IS THE CLOSE TO THE FIRST STOP HE HAD, LIKE A FEW YARDS FROM THE SPRING EXIT WHICH HE DID SAY STOP THERE, BUT IT'S PRIVATE. SO THIS IS A PUBLIC PLACE AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS SAYING. THEY
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HAVE A KAYAK LAUNCH THEY PUT IN THERE. IT'S ALL VERY NEW.>> YEAH. I KNOW WHERE THAT IS. >> THE IDEA IS YOU COULD START OFF RIGHT THERE AT BARTRAM PARK -- NELSON POINT FOR BARTRAM TRAIL. EASY ACCESS BECAUSE THEN YOU CAN BE KAYAKING TO SEVERAL OF THE OTHER POINTS, AS HE DID.
>> OKAY. >> SHE JUST HAPPENED TO MENTION THAT AND SAID WOULD YOU LET THEM KNOW? I SAID ABSOLUTELY. THAT'S
>> SO DO YOU HAVE THE COST FOR THE SIGN?
>> I GAVE HER THE NUMBERS. I DON'T REMEMBER THEM OFF THE TOP
OF MY HEAD. >> SO I SINGLE-SIDED WAS 285. A DOUBLE-SIDED WOULD BE 365 AND THAT'S WITH INSTALLATION. JUST THE SIGN WOULD BE 245 AND 325 FOR A DOUBLE-SIDED.
>> AND THE TURNAROUND TIME YOU SAID BEFORE IS PROBABLY A COUPLE
WEEKS. >> YEAH. DEPENDING ON WORK HOLD,
YES. >> OKAY. AND THEN CAN YOU SEND THE DRAFT OR THE APPLICATION? I'LL WORK WITH RUTH TO GET THAT
>> ONCE THE APPLICATION IS IN, IT HAS TO GO TO US FIRST?
>> IT WILL COME TO YOU, YES, AND YOU WILL BE THE BODY REVIEWING
IT. >> OKAY. BECAUSE WE'RE JUST GOING TO COPY WHAT'S ON THE STATE ONE TO THE COUNTY ONE.
>> OKAY. >> AND THE STATE ONE'S ALREADY
BEEN APPROVED. >> BY YOU, YES.
>> OKAY. COOL. >> HAVE WE TURNED IN THE STATE
ONE? . >> FOR THAT? NO. I'M WORKING ON
MIDDLEBURG RIGHT NOW. >> THE MIDDLEBURG SCHOOL?
>> SORRY, THE SCHOOL,
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.