Nov 04, 2025 Planning Commission

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>>> WELCOME TO CLAY COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING OF NOVEMBER 4, 2025. THE MEETING IS CALLED TO ORDER. WOULD YOU PLEASE RISE AND GENTLEMEN, REMOVE YOUR COVERS FOR THE

PLEDGE. >> I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION, UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE WITH

LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. >> MY NAME IS PETE DAVIS, CHAIRMAN OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION. MINUTES WILL BE TAKEN BY CHRISTINE BLANCHET, RECORDING SECRETARY FROM THE CLERK OF THE COURTS OFFICE. THANK YOU. OTHER STAFF MEMBERS PRESENT, WE HAVE BETH CARSON, PLANNING DIRECTOR. WE HAVE DOTY SEALY WHO IS A CHIEF PLANNER IN THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT. WE ALSO HAVE COURTNEY GRIM WHO IS OUR COUNTY ATTORNEY. WE HAVE CALEB ROSEN. HE IS FROM REAL ESTATE AND LAND CONSERVEIVATION AREA. I DON'T SEE ANY OTHERS. KELLY? KELLY HENRY IS FROM ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. WE THANK DEPUTIES BUTLER ANDECT ANDECTER FROM PLAY COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE. THEY WILL HELP US MAINTAIN OWNER. OUR FELLOW COMMISSIONERS, MR. BRIDGMAN, TO MY LEFT IS MICHAEL BOURRE, BILL GARRISON, AND SCHOOL BOARD REPRESENTATIVE IS PAUL REFERRED TO. MOST OF THE DECISIONS MADE ARE RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE BCC. NORMALLY THE BCC WILL HAVE A FINAL SAY ON THE MEETING ON THE SECOND TUESDAY OR ONE WEEK FROM TODAY, THE FOURTH TUESDAY, THREE WEEKS FROM TODAY. HOWEVER, BECAUSE OF VETERANS DAY, THE MEETING WILL BE ON MONDAY THE 10TH, BECAUSE OF THE HOLIDAY. THE MEETING STARTS AT 4:00.

WROENING AND LAND USE MATTERS START AT 5:00. CHECK THE BCC CALENDAR FOR THE ITEMS ON THE CLAY COUNTY WEBSITE. IF THERE IS AN ITEM ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA YOU WISH TO SPEAK ABOUT, PLEASE FILL OUT ONE OF THE COMMENT CARDS , THESE LITTLE WHITE CARDS HERE.

THEY ARE ALSO IN THE VESTIBULE OUT THERE AND GIVE IT TO MS. BLANCHET. AT THIS TIME, PUT YOUR CELL PHONES ON SILENT OR VIBRATE. IF YOU NODE TO TAKE A CALL DURING THE MEETING, PLEASE STEP OUTSIDE. IF YOU NEED TO LEAVE THE MEETING WHILE IT IS GOING ON, PLEASE DO SO QUIETLY. THE ITEM OF ACTION -- THE FIRST

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>> SO MOVED. >> SECOND?

>> SECOND. >> ANY DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE,

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE? >> AYE. .

>>> OKAY. OPEN PUBLIC COMMENT. THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD IS A COMMENT PERIOD FOR ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC WHO WANT TO COMMENT ON ITEMS NOT INCLUDED ON THE AGENDA BUT PERTINENT TO THE COMMISSION'S AGENDA. I DON'T HAVE ANY CARDS FOR THIS. DOES ANYONE WISH TO SPEAK AT THE FIRST OPEN COMMENT PERIOD FOR ANYTHING ANYTHING PERTAINING TO THE COMMISSION? SEEING NONE, I CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD. WE ALWAYS WELCOME THE PUBLIC AS CITIZENS TO PARTICIPATE AS THE BACKBONE OF OUR DEMOCRATIC FORM OF GOVERNMENT. YOUR PRESENCE HERE IS APPRECIATED. ALL PLANNING COMMISSIONERS, VOLUNTEERS, RESIDENTS OF CLAY COUNTY SERVE TWO YEAR FIRMS AND MUST REAPPLY IF WE WISH TO CONTINUE TOSERVE. THE DUTIES ARE IN SECTION 163 OF THE FLORIDA STATUTE. WE HEAR LAND DEVELOPMENT CHANGES AND REZONING. THE DECISIONS ARE ADVISORY TO THE B KRGS C. THE PROCESS IS EACH ITEM ON THE PUBLIC HEARING AGENDA WILL BE PRESENTED BY THE MEMBER OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING DEPARTMENT,

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APPLICATION. MS. BLANCHET? >> IF YOU WILL STAND AND MOVE TO THE CENTER OF THE ROOM, PLEASE?

>> PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. DO YOU SOLEMNLY SWEAR THAT THE TESTIMONY YOU GIVE WILL BE THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH AND

[1.  First Public Hearing to consider PUD 25-0008 ( District 5, Comm. Burke) (D. Selig)]

NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? >> I DO.

>> THANK YOU ALL. >> OKAY. THE FIRST ITEM ON THE

AGENDA IS P.U.D.25-0008. >> GOOD EVENING. THIS ITEM WILL BE HEARD AT THE NOVEMBER 10TH BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS HEARING. THE APPLICANT IS LARMAC DEVELOPMENT LLC. THE PROPERTY IS EAST SIDE OF HENLEY ROAD, NORTHEAST CORNER OF COUNTY ROAD 218. AS YOU SAID, THAT IS LAKE ASBURY DISTRICT WHICH IS COMMISSIONER BURKE'S DISTRICT 5. THE APPLICATION WOULD CHANGE THE ZONING FROM PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT AND LAKE ASBURY WORLD FRINGE TO PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT. THE PROPERTY WAS -- NOTICE SAID WERE MAILED TO EVERY PARCEL THAT IS HIGHLIGHTED IN BLUE, AND THEN THE PROPERTY ITSELF WAS POSTED WITH SIGNAGE.

THERE ARE THREE PARCELS, ONE FULL PARCEL, 3.1 ACRES AND THEN A PORTION OF AN ADDITIONAL PARCEL OWNED BY LARMAC. THOSE ARE IN THE BLUE BOX ON THE LEFT. AND THEN, THE THIRD PIECE IS A 1.-- A 0.196 ACRE PIECE THAT IS IN A GRAY TRIANGLE ON THE RIGHT.

THAT IS ACTUALLY CURRENTLY OWNED BY CLAY COUNTY. IT IS A PORTION OF A STORM WATER FACILITY POND. THAT'S AN UPPER BANK THAT'S LEVEL. THE APPLICANT IS INCLUDING IT IN THEIR APPLICATION ON THE AN TICIPATION THAT THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS WILL BE WILLING TO SELL THEM THAT PIECE SO THEY CAN HAVE ACCESS FROM 218. SO HERE ON THE LEFT IS THE AERIAL OF THAT AREA AND THEN ON THE RIGHT WE HAVE THE OUTLINE OF THE PROPERTY. ON THE LEFT IS THE EXISTING ZONING AND THEN ON THE RIGHT IS THE PROPOSED ZONING. IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT'S A HUGE CHANGE. IT LOOKS LIKE THE ALITO COUNTY CHANGES. BUT THE DETAILS OF THE P.U.D. CHANGE FOR THOSE WHO ARE NOT FAMILIAR WITH ZONING LAWS. THIS IS THE EXHIBIT THAT IS ATTACHED TO THE ORDINANCE OF THE P.U.D. SHOWING, YOU CAN SEE IN THE GRAY AREA, CLOSEST TO 218, THAT'S THE CANOPY AREA FOR GASOLINE SALES PUMPS AND THEN THERE IS A STORE AND A FUTURE PARCEL ON THE RIGHT. THE PROPERTY WOULD BE SPLIT IN HALF ULTIMATELY. AND ACCESS ON HENLEY AND ON 218 AS I SAID. I'M SORRY, DID YOU NEED ME TO GO BACK? JUST

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OF THE ITEM. >> ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR

STAFF? >> THANK YOU. JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, ON THE EAST SIDE PARCEL, IS IT THE 25 FOOT BUFFER AND THE 6 FOOT FENCE OR IS IT IN LIEU OF?

>> MY READING WAS THAT IT WAS INCLUSIVE OF BUT WE WILL LET THE APPLICANT TELL YOU THAT FOR SURE.

>> OKAY, THANK YOU. >> ANY MORE QUESTIONS?

>> CAN YOU GO BACK A COUPLE OF SLIDES -- BY THE WAY, THAT WAS IN THE ORDINANCE, WE FOUND IT IN THE LAST PAGE.

>> GOOD. >> GO BACK A PAGE, STOP, GO

FORWARD. >> THIS?

>> NO, THE ONE I'M LOOKING AT HAS SOME ADDITIONALAL PROPERTY LINES ON IT BUT IT IS BASICALLY A DRAWING. WHAT I WANTED TO ASK

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>> THERE IS A PROPOSED SIDEWALK TO GO FROM THERE UP TO --

>> THIS LOOKS WIDE ENOUGH TO HAVE A STREET IN IT. IT'S THE SAME PICTURE YOU HAVE ON THE RIGHT BUT IT HAS MORE PROPERTY LINES ON IT. YOU CAN SEE IT ON THERE.

>> YOU CAN SEE THE SIDEWALK TO PARK.

>> YEAH, THERE IS A LITTLE LOOP THERE AT THE END. THE PROPERTY LOOKS LIKE THERE IS A RIGHT OF WAY THAT GOES THROUGH THE

PROPERTY. >> THAT WAS THE ACCESS, THE ALLEY IN THE P.U.D. WHERE IT WAS GOING TO CONTINUE ON THROUGH.

BUT THE SOUTH PIECE IS KIND OF BALLFIELD PARK SPACE, OPEN SPACE. THERE IS PLAYGROUND PARK SPACE ON THE NORTH SIDE. AND IT'S JUST NOT CONSIDERED REALLY A VERY SAFE IDEA WHEN YOU HAVE A PARK WHERE KIDS WOULD BE RUNNING BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN THE SPACES TO HAVE A ROAD LITERALLY GOING THROUGH IT.

>> BUT IS IT A RIGHT OF WAY? >> IT'S NOT PUBLIC. IT'S THE P.U.D. I'M NOT SURE I WOULD CALL IT A PUBLIC ROAD.

>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF STAFF? IS THE APPLICANT HERE? MR.

MILLER? >> GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS FRANK MILLER MY ADDRESS IS ONE INDEPENDENT DRIVE IN JACKSONVILLE. THIS P.U.D. THAT'S IN PLACE NOW WAS ADOPTED IN 2004. IT HAD TWO ELEMENTS TO THE P.U.D. IT HAD THE RESIDENTIAL PORTION AND THE COMMERCIAL PORTION WITH THE BOUNDARIES CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WE ARE AMYING FOR ON OUR AMENDMENT. THE RESIDENTIAL PORTION HAS BEEN BUILT OUT. NO IMPROVEMENTS HAVE BEEN MADE TO THE COMMERCIAL PORTION. THE COMMERCIAL PORTION WHICH IS ALL WE ARE REALLY ADDRESSING ALLOWED USES DESCRIBED IN BB3. ONE OF THE USES ALLOWED IN BB3 IS A DANCE HALL STRIP CLUB AMONG OTHER KIND OF INTENSE AND NOT NEIGHBORLY COOPERATIVE KIND OF ACTIVITIES. SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE ARE DOING BY THIS AMENDMENT IS ELIMINATING THE INTENSE AND NEGATIVE USES AND MOVING THE USES TO MORE OF A NEIGHBORHOOD ADEQUATE KIND OF USES. INCLUDING AND WE HAVE GONE THROUGH SOME OF THE USES, THE ONLY REAL CHANGES ARE, WE'VE INCREASED THE SIZE OF THE CONVENIENCE STORE ITSELF FROM 4,000 SQUARE FEET TO 5200 SQUARE FEET. THE REASON FOR THAT IS THE MODERN STYLE OF CONVENIENCE STORES HAS THE LARGER SIZE. IT HAS MORE FOOD OFFERINGS. THAT'S THE CURRENT APPROACH TO CONVENIENCE STORES. IT HAS MORE PRODUCTS, MORE THAN JUST THE OLD FASHIONED 7-ELEVEN STORE. NOT TO BE DEMEANING OF 7-ELEVEN. ON THE GAS PUMPS, IF YOU READ THE EXISTING ORDINANCE, IT ALLOWED 16 GAS PUMPS. BUT IT PROVIDED THEY HAD TO BE IN TWO AISLES.

AND ALL OF THE GAS PEOPLE HAVE FOUND IT'S A SAFER APPROACH TO HAVE A SINGLE AISLE OR A SINGLE CANOPY OVER 16 ISLANDS SO THAT PEOPLE JUST DRIVE THROUGH ONCE. YOU DON'T HAVE PEOPLE COMING IN AND GOING OUT, COMING IN AND GOING OUT. THAT'S THE REASONING FOR THE CHANGE TO THE COMMERCIAL USE FOR THE CONVENIENCE STORE, THE SIZE AND THE GAS PUMPS. WE RETAINED PRETTY MUCH THE SAME AMOUNT OF ADDITIONAL SQUARE FOOTAGE OF RETAIL, AND SPECIFICALLY INCLUDED AS A USE A RESTAURANT WITH ALCOHOL WHICH

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ALLOWED FOR THE BB3 ZONINGS. WE ARE CHANGING THAT TO ESSENTIALLY THE BA ZONINGS. AND THE CAR WASH IS A USE THAT WAS ALLOWED IN THE EXISTING P.U.D. SO WE HAVE INCLUDED THAT AS A USE IN THE AMENDED P.U.D. THE RESTAURANT WITH ALCOHOL, WE'RE NOT CHANGING, JUST CLARIFYING THAT IT IS ALLOWED. WE HAVE ADDED RETAIL AUTO PARTS SALES AS A USE BECAUSE IT IS A BB3, NOT A BA USE IF I'M REMEMBERING CORRECTLY. AND THEN WHAT WE HAVE INCLUDED, THE ONLY CONDITIONAL USE WOULD BE DAY CARE CENTERS WHICH ARE CONDITIONAL USES UNDER BA ZONING DISTRICT. SO TO SUM, WE ARE CLEANING THIS UP. WE ARE BRINGING IT FORWARD. IT IS OVER 20 YEARS OLD. IT WAS NEVER DEVELOPED. WE BELIEVE WE ARE MAKING THE USES MORE CONSISTENT WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD USES AS OPPOSED TO SOME OF THE BB3 USES. AND WE DON'T -- WE ARE NOT AFFECTING IN ANY WAY THE RESIDENTIAL PORTION OF THE P.U.D. I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY OF YOUR QUESTIONS.

>> GOOD EVENING, MR. MILLER. JUST WANTED TOSEE IF YOU COULD ANSWER MY QUESTION REGARDING THE BUFFER ON THE EAST SIDE AND THE

FENCING? >> WE ARE INTENDING TO PUT A 25 FOOT BUFFER ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY AND A FENCE. THE FENCE WAS SOMETHING THAT THE C.A.C. THOUGHT WAS A GOOD IDEA TO KEEP KIDS FROM GETTING INTO THE COMMERCIAL THING. WE'RE FINE WITH THAT. IT'S JUST THAT MOY EXPECTATION IS THAT THE KIDS WILL CLIMB OVER THE FENCE. BUT YES, THERE WILL BE A 25 FOOT

BUFFER AND A FENCE. >> I AGREE WITH THE C.A.C. SO

THANK YOU, APPRECIATE THAT. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?

>> SO MR. MILLER, I'M GOING TO DISAGREE WITH C.A.C. I'M GOING TO ASK THE SAME QUESTION. THERE WAS A RESPONSE TO WHY THE ALLEYWAY WOULDN'T BE THERE, BUT THIS IDEA OF KEEPING PEOPLE OFF THE ROADS, AND IN THIS INSTANCE, CHILDREN WHO MIGHT BE IN THE SUBDIVISION WHO MIGHT WANT TO GO TO THE CONVENIENCE STORE, I DON'T THINK WE WANT TO PUT THEM OUT ON COUNTY ROAD 218 OR HENLEY. WHY DON'T WE JUST EXTEND THE SIDEWALK INTO THERE SO THEY CAN GET INTO THE CONVENIENCE STORE. THEY ARE GOING TO GO THERE. AS YOU SAID, THEY ARE GOING OVER THE FENCE.

IT WOULD SEEM TO BE -- A SIMILAR ARGUMENT WE HAD LAST MONTH ABOUT MIDDLEBURG AND THE PEDESTRIAN ACCESS. I WOULD STRONGLY SUGGEST YOU ASK YOUR CLIENT TO THINK ABOUT THAT.

>> I THINK THEY'RE WILLING. THEY WEREN'T PROPOSING TO PUT A FENCE THERE. AS YOU SAW ON THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN, THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE PROPERTY IS JUST OPEN TO DEVELOPMENT. THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK TO THE CRC WITH A PLAN TO COMPLETE THAT.

WHAT IS INTERESTING IS -- CAN YOU PUT UP THAT MAP AGAIN?

>> YES. THERE IS A SIDEWALK THERE, YEAH.

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>> THERE IS A SIDEWALK AND WE CAN CONNECT TO IT OR ALLOW THE ACCESS THROUGH. BUT THE REASONING FROM THE CAC WAS THAT HAVING A GOLF CART ROAD ALONG THERE, THERE IS A PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT UP IN THAT AREA AND THE FIELD IS OPEN TO PLAY. THERE WAS CONCERN THAT PEOPLE ARE PLAYING ON THE FIELD WOULD GET

RUN OVER BY THE GOLF CARTS. >> I JUST PUT IT OUT THERE AS A SUGGESTION BECAUSE I THINK IN THE TERMS OF TRYING -- I THINK IT'S KIND OF AMUSING, THEY THINK A FENCE WILL KEEP A KID OUT. NEVER KEPT ME OUT. I DON'T THINK IT KEPT ANYONE OUT I WAS EVER AWARE OF. BUT GETTING AN EASY WAY TO GET TO THAT BECAUSE THEY WILL WANT TO GO TO THE CONVENIENCE STORE. THEY WILL WANT TO GO TO THE OTHER SHOPS. IF THEY COULD DO IT WITHOUT GETTING OUT ON THE TWO BUSY ROADS, I THINK EVERYONE IS SAFER. SO IT IS MY SUGGESTION THAT YOU -- AND WHEN YOU GO TO BCC, YOU KNOW, JUST KEEP IT IN MIND.

>> CERTAINLY WILL. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF THE

APPLICANT? >> I'VE GOT A COUPLE MR. MILLER. I KIND OF AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER BOURRE AND ALSO COMMISSIONER PUCKHABER, IF YOU DO PUT UP A FENCE AND YOU ALLOW THEM TO TRANSGRESS THRU IT, IT OUGHT TO BE THROUGH A POINT TO CONSOLIDATE THE ACCESS, IT WOULD BE SAFER FOR EVERYONE. IS THAT AREA ON THE NORTH SIDE, IS THAT PRESERVE AREA OR FOR FUTURE

DEVELOPMENT? >> THAT'S A WETLAND. IT'S NOT

EVER GOING TO BE DEVELOPED. >> OKAY. IF THERE ARE KIDS RUNNING AROUND, THEY WILL BE PLAYING IN THE WETLAND, I GUARANTEE IT. THE OTHER QUESTION I HAVE IS THE FUTURE COMMERCIAL PART, IS THE ONLY ACCESS TO THAT GOING TO BE ON COUNTY ROAD 218 OR WILL IT BE GOING THROUGH THE CONVENIENCE CENTER OVER TO

HENLEY? >> I THINK THE INTENTION WOULD BE THAT THEY HAVE THE SAME ACCESS AS THE CONVENIENCE STORE.

>> SO THEY CAN MOVE FROM THE RIGHT-HAND COMMERCIAL PART THROUGH THE GAS STATION TO GET TO HEN.

>> CORRECT. >> THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. I'M GOING TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. I DO NOT HAVE ANY CARDS FOR THIS ITEM. IS THERE ANYONE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? I OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. DID YOU FILL OUT A CARD?

>> FOR THE SECOND ITEM BUT SOMETHING HE SAID CAUGHT MY

ATTENTION. >> OKAY.

>> HE WAS TALKING ABOUT THE PROPOSED --

>> WE NEED YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE.

>> I'M HERALD KNOWLES, KNOWLES ROAD. HE SAID THEY PROPOSED A 25 FOOT AREA TO THE SIDE. THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WELL, WE'RE PROPOSING THAT AND WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT. THAT'S A REAL BIG DIFFERENCE TO ME. IF THEY DON'T DO THAT WITH THAT 25 FOOT, WHAT IS THAT 25 FOOT GOING TO BE IS MY QUESTION. MAYBE HE JUST USED THE WRONG WORD AND IT CAUGHT MY ATTENTION. WHEN WE ARE DOING SOME PLANNING LIKE THIS, WE NEED TO KNOW EXACTLY WHAT

IT'S GOING TO BE. >> UNDERSTOOD. NORMALLY I WON'T ANSWER THAT BUT IF IT IS PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT ORDER, THEN IT WILL BE A 25 FOOT BUFFER, NATURAL BUFFER. IF THEY AGREE TO A FENCE, THERE WILL ALSO BE A FENCE. DOES ANYONE ELSE WISH TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? SEEING NONE I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND I WILL BRING IT BACK TO MR. MILLER. DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANT TO THROW OUT THERE?

>> NO, SIR, NOT PARTICULARLY UNLESS SOMEONE HAS A QUESTION. I WOULD CONFIRM YOUR STATEMENT. IF IT'S IN THERE, WE ARE BOUND TO

DO IT. >> OKAY. I WILL BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMISSIONERS FOR DISCUSSION.

>> MR. CHAIR, I WILL MOVE THE STAFF REPORT ON THIS.

>> I'LL SECOND. >> OKAY. I HAVE A MOTION AND I HAVE A SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR

SAY AYE. >> AYE.

[2.  First Public Hearing to consider COMP 25-0013 and PUD 25-0007 (District 5, Comm. Burke) (D. Selig)]

>> ALL THOSE POSED SAME SIGN. OKAY, MOTION APPROVED. AGENDA

ITEM NUMBER 2. >> THIS ITEM IS EXACTLY TWO

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BOTH ITEMS WILL COME BACK PROBABLY SOMETIME I'M GOING TO GUESS FEBRUARY. THE DECEMBER 9 MEETING IS A TRANSMITTAL TO THE STATE OF THE LARGE SCALE COMP PLAN AMENDMENT. THEY HAVE 30 DAYS TO PROVIDE COMMENT AND THEN WE BRING IT BACK TO THE BOARD FOR A FINAL DECISION. SO A FINAL DECISION REALLY PROBABLY WOULDN'T BE UNTIL THAT LATER MEETING. FOR ANYONE WHO IS INTERESTED, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE KNEW IT WOULD BE ON DECEMBER 9. THE APPLICANT IS KIMMERLY HORN AND ASSOCIATES.

THE PROPERTY IS THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF COUNTY ROAD 315 AND 315A IN THE SPRINGS DISTRICT, COMMISSIONER BURKE'S DISTRICT 5. THERE ARE FOUR PARCELS IN WHOLE OR PART INVOLVED IN THE PAIR OF APPLICATIONS. I APOLOGIZE, THE LANGUAGE AT THE BOTTOM IS NOT ACCURATE. THAT IS A CUT AND PASTE ERROR ON MY PART, SO SORRY. HERE'S OUR PARCEL MAP, LOCATION IN THE RED HATCH. LETTERS WERE SENT OUT TO THE GREEN PARCELS IN THIS CASE.

THE SIGNS WERE POSTED ON THE PROPERTY AT VARIOUS LOCATIONS, MAYBE THE MAP THERE AS WELL. THE AERIAL IS ON THE LEFT AND THE PARCEL IS THE YELLOW HATCH AREA AND AGAIN ON THE RIGHT IT'S IN RED. ON THE LEFT WE HAVE THE EXISTING LAND USE. THE YELLOW IS THE RURAL RESIDENTIAL AND THEN THE WHITE IS AGRICULTURE. AND ON THE RIGHT IS THE PROPOSED FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION. THIS IS THE EXISTING ZONING. IT HAS THE SAME SPLIT ZONING DISTRICT IN THE SAME LINE. THIS IS THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN. IT IS PART OF THE P.U.D., NOT THE FUTURE LAND USE ELEMENT BUT BRINGING THIS IN AS A PART OF THE P.U.D. APPLICATION. YOU CAN SEE THAT IN THE CENTER OF THE PROPERTY, THERE IS A PORTION THAT IS EXEMPTED OUT. THAT WILL BE RETAINED BY THE PROPERTY OWNER.

I WILL LET THE APPLICANT GO THROUGH THE DETAILS OF ALL OF THE APPLICATIONS. THEY HAVE A PRESENTATION FOR YOU. BUT YOU CAN SEE THE BOUNDARIES AND GENERAL LAYOUT HERE. THE P.U.D.

WOULD PROPOSE A 160 SINGLE FAMILY LOTS IN THE SUBDIVISION.

DENSITY ALLOWED UNDER THE CURRENT A.R. IS ONE UNIT PER ACRE. UNDER THE P.U.D., IT IS A MAXIMUM OF 3 ALLOWED, THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING 2.48. THE MINIMUM LOT WIDTH IS 100, THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING 60. THE FRONT SETBACK WOULD BE 30 UNDER A.R. BUT THEY ARE PROPOSING 25. REAR SETBACK IS 25 AND IT IS PROPOSED AT 10. THE RIGHT OF WAY BUFFER IS REQUIRED AT 10 FEET AND THE PROPOSAL IS BETWEEN 20 TO 30 DEPENDING ON WHICH RIGHT OF WAY. THE RECREATION AND OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENT IS 6.4 EGGERS UNDER A.R. THE APPLICANT IN THE P.U.D. IS PROPOSING 15 ACRES.

THERE ARE ADDITIONAL IMPROVEMENTS PROPOSED BECAUSE THIS IS A P.U.D.. THE INTENT OF THE P.U.D. IS TO TRADE OFF A REDUCTION IN SOME ZONING CHARACTERISTICS FOR AN IMPROVEMENT BEYOND THE MINIMUM ZONING REQUIREMENTS. EBTHIS CASE THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO DESIGN AND CONSTRUCT A SOUTHBOUND RIGHT TURN LANE ON COUNTY ROAD 315, THIS IS TURNING WEST ONTO HIGHWAY 16. THERE IS A SEPARATE EXHIBIT INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET. THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO DEED A 60 FOOT WIDE PORTION ACROSS THE SOUTHERN PORTION OF THE PROPERTY TO THE COUNTY FOR CONTINUED USE FOR THE ROAD THAT IS KNOWN AS NOSE ROAD.

PART OF THAT BASED ON THE APPLICANT'S SURVEY SHOWS A PORTION OF THE ROAD FROM 315 TO ROAD IS PARTIALLY ON THE

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THEY VOTED TO DENIAL ON BOTH ITEMS. STAFF HAS GONE THROUGH THE CRITERIA FOR BOTH APPLICATIONS, AND FELT THE TRITERIA WERE MET AND RECOMMENDS APPROVAL. WE DID RECEIVE I BELIEVE IT'S FIVE LETTERS. I WILL JUST READ OFF THE AUTHOR FOR THOSE EMAILS. THEY ARE ALL IN OPPOSITION TO THE ITEM. I WILL PASS THEM AROUND SO YOU CAN TAKE A LOOK AT THEM. AND THEN AT THE END, I WILL COLLECT THEM AND GIVE THEM TO THE CLERK FOR THE RECORD. WE HAVE ONE FROM MR. DON REN SHAW. WE HAVE MR. JOSEPH PARKER. NICHOLE HAYDEN, SHARON BERNARD, AND BILL MAURMAN. I'M SORRY, THANK YOU. REGISTERING OPPOSITION TO THE ITEM. AND I WILL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE.

>> ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF? >> MR. CHAIR, I DO HAVE A FEW BUT I'D LIKE TO WAIT UNTIL AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING.

>> OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF STAFF? APPLICANT?

>> GOOD EVENING. MARK SHELTON URBAN PLANNER WITH KINLEY HORN ASSOCIATES, GRAND BAY PARKWAY WEST, JACKSONVILLE, FLORIDA. DO YOU HAVE THE CLICKER? THANK YOU. FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME TONIGHT AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE WITH US AS WE GO THROUGH THIS PROJECT WHICH IS VERY IMPORTANT TO US. WE HAVE WORKED WITH STAFF AND I BELIEVE THAT THEIR REPORT IS VERY THOROUGH AND VERY ACCURATE. I'M HERE TODAY WITH GARRETT QUEENER AND BILL SHILLING ALSO WITH KINLEY HORN OUR TRAFFIC EXPERT.

SO HERE'S OUR TEAM. I LIKE TO REINTRODUCE THE RESDENTIAL PROJECT THAT CAME BEFORE YOU LAST YEAR. AS YOU MAY RECALL FROM LAST JULY, THIS PROJECT REQUESTED A REZONING TO ALLOW UP TO 214 SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. THAT IS CHANGING WITH THIS APPLICATION. I WILL GET INTO THAT IN A MINUTE. IT WAS ALSO ON 72 ACRES. THAT IS ALSO CHANGING. IN A FEW MOMENTS YOU WILL SEE HOW WE HAVE REACHED OUT AND LISTENED TO THE COMMUNITY AND REVISED THIS REQUEST. AS DOTY MENTIONED, THE LAND USE AMENDMENT BEFORE YOU IS GOING FROM RURAL RESIDENTIAL AND AGRICULTURAL TO RURAL FRINGE. AND ALSO, THE REZONING GOES FROM AGRICULTURAL RESIDENTIAL TO PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT.

EVERYTHING IN THE P.U.D. THAT IS BEFORE YOU IS MEETING OR EXCEEDING THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE OF CLAY COUNTY. AS YOU KNOW THIS IS A GRWING PART OF CLAY COUNTY. THIS IS LOCATED WITHIN ONE HALF MILE OF THE FIRST COAST EXPRESSWAY. AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE EXHIBIT, WE ARE SURROUNDED BY MEGA PROJECTS SUCH AS MAGNOLIA WEST, WILLOW SPRINGS, SARASOTA SPRINGS, PETERS CREEK, AND ACOLA TO THE SOUTH MAKING THIS A PRIME LOCATION FOR HIS PROJECT, NOT TO MENTION SIMILAR DENSITY TO THE EAST IN GREEN

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WE BELIEVE THE NEW APPLICATION HAS WIDER BUFFERS, REDUCED ACREAGE, SMALLER PONDS, REVISED PHASING, AND DEDICATED TURN LANES ALONG WITH A CONSTRUCTED RIGHT TURN ON COUNTY ROAD 315 INSTEAD OF JUST FUNDING IT. OUR TOTAL PROJECT SIZE GOES FROM 72 TO 64. OUR OPEN SPACE IS DOUBLED, MORE THAN DOUBLED FROM 7 ACRES TO 15 ACRES. OUR ACTIVE RECREATION INCREASED FROM A HALF ACRE TO OVER SEVEN ACRES. OUR DENSITY IS A REDUCTION OF 25% FROM UP TO 214 TO A MAXIMUM OF 160. OUR LOT WIDTHS WILL NOW BOW BE A MINIMUM OF 60 FOOT WIDE. WE HAVE DOUBLED OUR BUFFERS IN SOME PLACES AND PUT 30 FOOT BUFFERS ELSEWHERE, EVEN IF THEY WEREN'T ROIRD BY THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. WE HAVE ASSIGNED THE SCREENING BETWEEN PROPERTIES. AS MENTIONED, WE ARE CONSTRUCTING THE TURN LANE. THE RESULT OF THESE CHANGES CAN BE SEEN IS IN THE BEFORE AND AFTER SITE PLAN THAT YOU SEE HERE. THE PLAN ON THE LEFT, THE OLD PLAN IS WHAT I JUST MENTIONED. THE NEW PLAN SHOWS DIVIDED PONDS, SMALLER PONDS. THIS WAS A CONCERN FOR NEIGHBORS. IT SHOWS MORE PARK AREA, A LARGER RETAINED PARCEL, THAT'S WHERE THE AREA REDUCTION CAME FROM. 60 FOOT LOTS, AND REDUCTION IN CUL-DE-SACS BECAUSE OF COMMENTS WE HEARD. BEFORE HANDING OUT THE BILL TO TALK MORE ABOUT TRAFFIC AND COMPATIBILITY, I WANT TO TALK ABOUT HOW THIS PROJECT IS APPROPRIATE AND DIFFERENT FROM THE OTHER MEGA PROJECTS AROUND US. WOE MENTIONED THE 60 FOOT LOTS WHICH IS LARGER THAN MOST OTHER DEVELOPMENTS AROUND US. THERE IS NO CDD. WE ARE OFFERING TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENTS BEYOND MOBILITY FEE AND $700,000 IN FEE. THE PROJECT WE ARE CONSTRUCTING IS LISTED IN THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS PLAN FOR THE COUNTY BUT UNFUNDED. WE WILL CONSTRUCT AND FUND IT PRIOR TO THE FIRST HOME BEING SOLD. IN THIS DEVELOPMENT ALSO PHASED AND TIMED TO COINSIDE WITH THE TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENTS WHICH BILL WILL TOUCH ON. SO WITH THAT, I WILL HAND IT OFF TO BILL AND I WILL COME BACK AFTER

THIS. >> COMMISSIONERS, AGAIN , THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME THIS EVENING. MY NAME IS BILL SHILLING, HERE ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT. MY ADDRESS IS 12740 GRAND BAY PARKWAY WEST, JACKSONVILLE, FLORIDA. I AM A LICENSED PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER IN FLORIDA. I'M HERE TONIGHT TO TALK ABOUT ESSENTIALLY INFRASTRUCTURE, TRAFFIC, SCHOOLS, UTILITIES, ET CETERA. AND WHERE I WILL START IS I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HAS BEEN EYE OPENING IS IT'S AMAZING WHAT A LITTLE OVER A YEAR HAS DONE FOR THIS PROJECT AS FAR AS PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE AS WE ARE NOW SEEING PROJECTS THAT AREN'T IN THE TENS BUT HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE OPENING IN THIS AREA OF THE COUNTY AND SO, I'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT WE ARE SEEING AS FAR AS TRAFFIC VOLUMES. WE WILL TALK THROUGH A COUPLE OF THINGS. ONE, TO SHARE, THIS PROJECT SITE IS WITHIN THE APPROVED URBAN SERVICE BOUNDARY OF THE COUNTY. WE ARE WITHIN THE BELTWAY AND SO WE ARE ROUGHLY A MILE AND A HALF WITHIN THE BELTWAY. THE PROJECTS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT A LITTLE OVER A YEAR AGO AND WE TALKED AT THE PRESENTATION ABOUT THESE PROJECTS, ROADWAY PROJECTS SPECIFICALLY THAT WERE IN THE PIPELINE AND WERE COMING TO THE

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CERTAINLY THE PORTION THAT GOES FROM BLANDING DOWN TO U.S. 17 HAS OPENED. WE ARE SEEING CERTAINLY FOLKS USE THAT ROADWAY NOW THAT IT'S OPEN. SO THE GREEN LINES ARE THE ONES THAT HAVE OPENED ROADWAY INFRASTRUCTURE THAT HAS OPENED AND NOW BEING USED SINCE WE WERE HERE BEFORE YOU LAST. THE YELLOW DASHED IMPROVEMENTS ARE ROADWAY INFRASTRUCTURE ITEMS THAT ARE IN SOME LEVEL OF PROGRESS RIGHT NOW. SO I WILL START WITH NUMBER 3 WHICH IS STATE ROAD 16 WIDENING WHICH THE D.O.T. IS IN PROCESS ON THIS NOW. THEY ARE LOOKING AT WIDENING STATE ROAD 16 TO FOUR LANES FROM THE FIRST COAST EXPRESSWAY OVER TO 315 AND REALIGN, WHAT I WILL CALL THE REALIGNMENT OF 315 IN THE LATEST CORRESPONDS AND DISCUSSION AND CORDINATION WITH D.O.T. RIGHT NOW, THEY ARE FORECASTING AN OPENING YEAR OF 2032 FOR THE FOUR LANE IMPROVEMENTS. SO WITHIN THE WINDOW THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT INTO THE FUTURE RIGHT NOW. AND THEN IMPROVEMENT NUMBER 4 WHICH I UNDERSTAND IS BEING REFERRED TO AS CLAY DAIRY PARKWAY WHICH FOR ALONG TIME HAS BEEN DISCUSSED AT COUNTY ROAD 315 REALIGNMENT. IT IS A REALIGNMENT OF 315 NORTH OF STATE ROAD 16 AND THEN CARRIES ALONG THE EXISTING 315 BUT THEN TRAVERSES THRU GOVERNOR'S PARK AND SOUTHWARD TO U.S. 17. WE UNDERSTAND THAT THE CONSTRUCTION HAS STARTED ON THE VERY SOUTHERN MOST OF THIS FROM U.S. 17 AND CERTAINLY A GOOD PORTION OF THIS IS GOING TO BE TIED TO THOSE PROJECTS, PETERS CREEK, GOVERNORS PARK AS THEY COME ALONG. AGAIN, IMPROVEMENTS ON 315 THAT WE ARE STARTING TO SEE AND WE WOULD EXPECT PORTIONS OF TO COME ONLINE DURING THE CONSTRUCTION OF THIS PROJECT.

CERTAINLY, NORTH OF STATE ROAD 16 AS 315 GETS REALIGNED, THAT REALIGNMENT IS GOING TO BECOME THE COLLECTOR ROAD. AND ESSENTIALLY OLD 315 AS I WOULD REFER TOIT WILL TAKE ON MORE OF A FEEL OF A LOCAL ROAD AND LESS OF A THROUGH ROAD. AGAIN, ALL THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING, VERY POSITIVE. SO WE WILL TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE DATA. I WILL DO MY BEST NOT TO GET TOO CRAZY ABOUT THE DATA HERE. WE TOOK OUR COUNTS THAT WE DID A LITTLE OVER A YEAR AGO AT THE INTERSECTION OF 315 AND STATE ROAD 16 AND WE DID NEW COUNTS. WE DID NEW COUNTS WITHIN THE LAST 30 DAYS. SO THE LEFT IS THE 2024 DATA THAT WE HAD WHEN WE WERE HERE LAST. THE DATA ON THE RIGHT IS THE DATA COLLECTED LAST MONTH. AND AS NOTED IN RED, SO HIGHLIGHTED IN RED ARE THE REDUCTIONS THAT WE HAVE SEEN AT THE INTERSECTION. AND IT IS NOT NECESSARILY, THIS IS AM DATA, STARTING IN THE MORNING. TO CONFIRM, BOTH OF THESE COUNTS WERE COLLECTED WHEN THE NEW SCHOOL, SPRING PARK ELEMENTARY HAVE BEEN OPEN. BOTH COUNTS REFLECT SCHOOL TRAFFIC AND COUNTED ON DAYS WHEN THE SCHOOL WAS IN SESSION. SOUTHBOUND ON 315, AND THIS IS BOTH CATHEDRAL OAKS PARKWAY AND COAST EXPRESSWAY OPENING, SOUTHBOUND RIGHT, WE ARE SEEING 40% REDUCTION OF TRAFFIC. SOUTHBOUND LEFT, A LITTLE OVER 25%, 27%. BUT WHAT'S EVEN MORE ASTOUNDING IS ON OUR EASTBOUND LEFT, SO BASICALLY FOLKS COMING ACROSS

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SO IT IS NOT NECESSARILY NOTED HERE ON THE SLIDE BUT THE THROUGH TRAFFIC, WE ARE ALSO SEEING REDUCTIONS IN THROUGH TRAFFIC ON STATE ROAD 16. THESE THROUGH VOLUMES FROM 2024-2025, ROUGHLY 14% REDUCTION. NOT ONLY ARE WE SEEING REDUCTIONS ON 315, WE'RE SEEING REDUCTIONS ON 16 AS THOSE TRIPS ARE NOW REROUTING, MOTORISTS ARE REROUTING UP TO CATHEDRAL OAKS PARKWAY. WE WILL TOUCH ON P.M. IT'S A SIMILAR STORY WITH ONE QUIRK. IN THE P.M., SOUTHBOUND LEFT WENT UP BY TWO TRIPS WHICH IS WHY IT IS GREEN. THERE WAS A SLIGHT INCREASE, 80% IN THE MORNING -- IN THE AFTERNOON, THIS IS P.M., SOUTHBOUND LEFT.

SOUTHBOUND RIGHT WAS OVER 20% REDUCTION AND EASTBOUND LEFT WE ARE SEEING 33% REDUCTION. BUT EVEN MORE INTERESTING IN THE P.M., THE DATA SHOWS THAT IT IS ROUGHLY A 20% REDUCTION IN THROUGH TRAFFIC ON STATE ROAD 16. WE ARE SEEING EVEN MORE OF A DIVERSION OF TRAFFIC UP TO CATHEDRAL OAKS TO USE THE EAST ROUTE NORTH OF STATE ROAD 16. SO WHEN WE WERE HERE A LITTLE OVER AN A YEAR AGO, A LUT OF THIS WE WERE ESTIMATING, WE WERE SURMISING WHAT THE POTENTIAL REDUCTIONS IN THIS AREA IN TRAFFIC COULD BE. AND EXCITED TO REPORT WE HAVE ACTUAL DATA HERE THAT SUPPORTS MUCH OF THE LOGIC THAT WE PRESENTED BEFORE THAT WE ARE SEEING ACTUAL REDUCTIONS IN THE DATA NOW WHICH EFFECTIVELY OVERALL IS IMPROVING LEVEL OF SERVICE ON THESE ROADWAYS. THESE ROADWAYS BEING 16 AND 315. SO THAT'S MORE OF A MACRO VIEW.

WHERE WE WERE A LITTLE OVER A YEAR AGO, THE D.O.T. AND COUNTY HAD IDENTIFIED COUNTY ROAD 315 AND U.S. 16 AS AN INTERSECTION THAT NEEDED ATTENTION AND IMPROVEMENTS. THE RECOMMENDATION AT THAT TIME WAS TO ADD A SOUTHBOUND RIGHT TURN LANE. SO THAT IMPROVEMENT GOT ADDED TO THE COUNTY C.I.P., THE IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM. HOWEVER, IT HAS BEEN UNFUNDED. A YEAR AGO, HOLTY COMMITTED TO PUTTING $300,000 TOWARDS THE RIGHT TURN LANE. WE HAVE LISTENED, WE HEARD, WE ARE SHARING THAT HOLTY WILL TAKE ON THIS IMPROVEMENT. SO 100% COMMITTED TO CONSTRUCTING THIS RIGHT TURN LANE WHICH HONESTLY WILL SIGNIFICANTLY IMPROVE THIS INTERSECTION IN THE INTERIM UNTIL THE 315 REALIGNMENT OCCURS. SO VERY HAPPY TO SHARE THAT THEY ARE MAKING THAT COMMITMENT. IN THIS SOUTHBOUND RIGHT TURN LANE WILL BE CONSTRUCTED BEFORE THE FIRST RESIDENT MOVES INTO A HOUSE. SO THIS IS US DOING OUR BEST TO TRY TO PULL TOGETHER WHAT ALL THIS TIMING LOGS LIKE. IN MY OPINION, THE MESSAGE THAT I'M WANTING TO CONVEY IS THERE IS AN A LOT OF DISCUSSION AT OUR LAST HEARING, A LITTLE OVER A YEAR AGO, IS THE TIMING RIGHT FOR THIS PROJECT. AND MAYBE THE ANSWER A YEAR, YEAR AND A HALF AGO WAS MAYBE THIS PROJECT IS A LITTLE TOO EARLY. BUT I WOULD SAY RIGHT NOW, BASED ON ALL OF THE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS THAT ARE BEING INVESTED IN PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE, THE TIMING IS NOW RIGHT FOR THIS PROJECT. SO A COUPLE OF THINGS TO HIGHLIGHT. THE HOME SALES, RIGHT NOW, THE CURRENT SCHEDULE WE ARE ON, ASSUMING EVERYTHING MOVES FORWARD AS PLANNED, THE EARLIEST RESIDENTS WOULD BE ABLE TO MOVE IN RIGHT NOW WOULD BE FORECAST AS THE FIRST QUARTER OF 2028 WITH ULTIMATELY HOME SALES AND THE BUILDOUT OF THIS PROJECT RUNNING THROUGH ROUGHLY THE END OF 2032. AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT HAVE HAPPENED. I DIDN'T MENTION PETERS CREEK WASTE WAERT PLAN, THE EXPANSION HAS BEEN

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AGAIN, WE HAVE THE RESERVATION IN PLACE FOR THE STUDENTS FOR THE LAY COUNTY STUDENTS. SO AGAIN, WE ARE REALLY EXCITED TO BRING THIS BACK BEFORE THE COMMISSION. WE FEEL LIKE THIS IS THE RIGHT TIME. BASICALLY, IT GENERATES A MUCH MORE PRODUCTIVE USE ON THIS PROJECT GIVEN ALL OF THE DOLLARS BEING INVESTED IN PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE AT THIS TIME. I'M GOING TO TURN IT BACK OVER TO MARK TO FINISH US UP. THANK YOU.

>> AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND PATIENCE, FOR OUR PRESENTATION. WE WANT TO MENTION THAT WE AGREE WITH STAFF FINDINGS. THEY RECOMMEND APPROVAL FOR THIS. THEY HAVE RESEARCHED THIS WITH THEIR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND WHAT THEY BELIEVE IS GOOD FOR THE FUTURE GOWTH OF THE AREA. THIS IS A TANSITIONING AREA FROM RURAL TO SUBURBAN. THERE ARE NO IMMEDIATELY AGRICULTURAL DESIGNATIONS. CATHEDRAL PARKWAY HALF HAS HELPED THE TRAFFIC IN THIS AREA. THE PROPOSED REZONING IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. AS YOU'VE HEARD, NOT TO REITERATE TOO MUCH BUT WE BELIEVE THIS CORRIDOR IS POISED AND PREPARED FOR GROWTH. THE PROJECT IS COMPATIBLE WITH EXISTING AND FUTURE RESIDENTIAL. THE PROJECT HAS BEEN REVISED BASED ON COMMUNITY INPUT, SIGNIFICANT INPUT. WE HAVE MENTIONED THE TURN LANE. WE MENTIONED THE CATHEDRAL OAKS TAKING TRAFFIC AWAY FROM THIS INTERSECTION. THE CLAY DAIRY PARKWAY WHEN THE REALIGNMENT OCCURS, IT WILL BRING THE ROAD BACK TO LOCAL CLASSIFICATION. IT IS ALWAYS IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER AS BILL STATED, WE HAVE THE SCHOOL CONCURRENCY. HAS A LONG STANDING IN THE COUNTY AND CONTINUES TO PARTICIPATE IN CLAY COUNTY HABITAT FOR HUMANITY. THEY WILL BUILD A QUALITY PROJECT AND ASSURE THAT ALL PROMISES ARE KEPT. WITH THAT, THANK YOU AGAIN AND WE WILL STAND BY FOR ANY QUESTIONS.

>> STAY WHERE YOU ARE. ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT?

>> I THINK MY QUESTION IS FOR MR. SHILLING. IN THE SLIDES YOU PROJECTED BEFORE, WITH THE TRAFFIC STUDY, THERE WAS A RED NUMBER AND THERE WAS A GREEN NUMBER NEXT TO THE A.M. AND P.M.

WHAT DID THOSE NUMBERS REPRESENT? WERE THOSE THE NUMBER

OF HOURS? >> THEY WERE -- DOTY, WOULD YOU MIND -- OH, I NEED TO, YES, MA'AM. SO ON THIS SLIDE, THE RED AND THE GREEN SEE IT SAYS 171 P.M., 138 P.M.

>> YES, SIR. >> WHAT DO THOSE NUMBERS

REPRESENT? >> THOSE ARE THE SOUTHBOUND TRIPS IN PEAK HOURS. SO 147 RIGHT AND 24 LEFT, TOTAL 171.

AND THE 112 RIGHT AND 26 LEFT IN THE CURRENT COUNT ARE 138.

>> OKAY. SO BASICALLY WHAT THIS IS TELLING US IS THAT THE 171 WAS ONLY HOW MANY TRIPS? I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND BECAUSE YOU HAVE NUMBERS UNDERNEATH THERE WHERE IT LOOKS LIKE MAYBE THERE WERE 102 TURNS, 840. I'M TRYING TO GATHER WHAT ALL THESE NUMBERS ARE. IT LOOKS LIKE IT IS A LITTLE DISPARAGING TO ME. MAYBE ONE WAS A LITTLE LONGER AND ONE WAS A LITTLE SHORTER.

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>> I APOLOGIZE IN THAT I KNOW I'M THROWING A LOT OF NUMBERS OUT THERE. SO WHAT THESE NUMBERS REPRESENT. WE WILL START AT THE BOTTOM. SO THAT STICK FIGURE REPRESENTS THE INTERSECTION WITH 315 REPRESENTING THE ROAD, NORTH SOUTH ROAD, STATE ROAD 16 THAT REPRESENTING THE STATE ROAD 16. THESE ARE COUNTS THAT WERE CONDUCTED AND THIS REPRESENTS THE HIGHEST HOUR IN THE AFTERNOON. SO WE COUNT MULTIPLE HOURS IN THE AFTERNOON. WE BREAK THEM UP INTO 15 MINUTE INCREMENTS AND WE FIGURE OUT WHAT THE HIGHEST HOUR IS. SO IN THE HIGHEST P.M. PEAK HOUR ON THE DAY WE COUNTED, THOSE ARE THE NUMBER OF VEHICLES THAT WE COUNTED. SO AS AN EXAMPLE, THE 598, I'M ON THE RIGHT SIDE. THE 598, THAT WAS 598 VEHICLES WENT THROUGH ON STATE ROAD 16 WITHIN THAT HOUR. AND THEN THE 26, THERE WERE 26 SOUTHBOUND LEFT VEHICLES, VEHICLES TURNING SOUTHBOUND LEFT IN THAT ONE HOUR. SO ROUGHLY ONE EVERY TWO MINUTES. AND THEN THERE WERE 112 VEHICLES IN THAT SAME HOUR, THAT SAME PEAK HOUR THAT TURNED SOUTHBOUND RIGHT ON STATE ROUTE 16. THIS IS COMPARING THE TOTAL NUMBER OF VEHICLES COUNTED LAST MONTH VERSUS THE COUNT THAT WAS DONE IN 2024. AND IT'S SHOWING A REDUCTION. SO SOUTHBOUND ON COUNTY ROAD 315, THIS YEAR WE COUNTED 138 CARS, ACTUAL CARS ON THE ROAD VERSUS 171 CARS A YEAR AGO, BEFORE CATHEDRAL OAKS.

>> DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT THE TIME WAS? 4:00, 6:00? WAS THE 4 TO 5, 5 TO 6? WHAT WAS THE TIME ELEMENT FOR BOTH OF THESE?

>> GENERALLY IT OCCURS IN 4:00 TO 6:00. I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY THE INCREMENT BUT I CAN LOOK AND SEE.

>> I'M JUST -- YOU KNOW, APPLES TO APPLES.

>> IT WOULD TYPICALLY BE BETWEEN 4:00 AND 6:00.

>> REAL QUICK, IF THIS DEVELOPMENT IS APPROVED AND BUILT, HAVE YOU DONE ANY TRAFFIC PROJECTIONS AS FAR AS WHAT

IMPACT THAT WILL BE ON 315? >> YES, SIR, GREAT QUESTION. I WILL STICK SPECIFICALLY WITH THIS INTERSECTION BECAUSE MANY A TIME HOW THE INTERSECTIONS OPERATE DICTATE HOW THE ROAD IS GOING TO OPERATE BECAUSE YOUR INTERSECTIONS ARE YOUR CHOKE POINTS. SO WE FORECAST WITH THESE NEW NUMBERS. WE ARE FORECASTING THAT IN THE A.M. PEAK HOUR, WITH OUR PROJECT TRAFFIC, THIS INTERSECTION WILL OPERATE AT LEVEL SERVICE C WHICH IS AN ACCEPTABLE LEVEL OF SERVICE. THEN IN THE AFTERNOON WITH THE PROJECT TRAFFIC, SO THE P.M. PEAK HOUR, WE ARE FORECASTING A LEVEL OF SERVICE D WHICH IS ALSO AN ACCEPTABLE

LEVEL OF SERVICE. >> MR. CHAIR, I HAVE A QUESTION.

I'M NOT SURE WHICH GENTLEMAN CAN ANSWER IT. A LOT OF WHAT YOU MENTION IN YOUR PRESENTATION, WHERE DID YOU COME UP WITH A 10 FOOT SETBACK ON A REAR LOT? THAT'S LESS DISTANCE THAN ME TO YOU. AND THAT'S GOING TO BE THEIR BACKYARD? SOMEBODY NEEDS TO JUSTIFY THAT. THAT'S NOT MUCH MORE THAN A PATIO.

>> YEAH, GOOD EVENING. I'M GARRETT WITH KIMLY HORN.

JACKSONVILLE, FLORIDA. I BELIEVE AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, I BELIEVE THE 10 FOOT MIXED THE ZONING CATEGORY THAT WE WERE MIMICKING. BUT IF THAT IS UNFAVORABLE TO THE BOARD, WE COULD LOOK AT REVISING THAT BUT I BELIEVE THAT IS WHAT WE HAVE IN THE PACKAGE AT THIS TIME. BUT UNDERSTAND THE CONCERNS.

>> WHAT ZONING CATEGORY WERE YOU MIMICKING, DO YOU KNOW? BECAUSE IF IT WAS A.R., IT IS A LOT MORE THAN 10 FEET.

>> IT IS NOT A.R. WE WERE MIMICKING, YOU ARE SUPPOSED

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ANSWER FOR YOU. >> I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THE SETBACK IS IN RB, PLEASE, FOR REAR SETBACK.

>> YES, SIR, WE CAN FIND THAT. >> ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? OKAY. I HAVE A LOT OF CARDS. WE WILL GO TO PUBLIC HEARING. I WANT TO SAY THIS AND I'M NOT GOING TO TELL YOU DON'T SPEAK. BUT IF SOMEBODY HAS ALREADY BEAT YOUR DRUM, WE WILL GET THAT MESSAGE AND WE WILL TAKE IT TO HEART. BUT IF YOU STILL WANT TO SPEAK ON THE SAME SUBJECT, FEEL FRETO DO SO.

WITH THAT I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND I WILL CALL THE FIRST CARD AND THEN I WILL CALL THE SECOND CARD WHICH WILL BE THE ONE IN QUEUE TO FOLLOW THE FIRST PERSON.

>> MR. CHAIR, ASK THEM TO BE READY SO WE DON'T HAVE TO WAIT

TO COME UP. >> ALSO, I NEED TO ASK BECAUSE WE HAVE HAD SEVERAL PEOPLE COME IN. HAS EVERYONE TAKEN THE OATH THAT WANTS TO SPEAK? ANYONE HAS NOT TAKEN THE OATH?

] >> OKAY, WE HAVE TWO THAT HAVEN'T TAKEN THE OATH THREE? . OKAY STAND UP KIND OF MOVE TO THE CENTER OF THE ROOM, PLEASE. PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. DO YOU SOLEMNLY SWEAR OR AFIRM THE TESTIMONY YOU ARE ABOUT TO GIVE WILL BE THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH

SO HELP YOU GOD? THANK YOU. >> BEFORE WE GET INTO ALL OF THE CARDS, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IN SEAT NUMBER TWO, COME TO THE PODIUM. AND GIVE US A QUICK SUNAUP NAUP SIN OPSIS OF YOUR

DECISION MAKING. >> GOOD EVENING, CHAIRMAN OF C.A.C. SPRINGS. WE CAME TO THE CONCLUSION, YOU SAW OUR VOTE, IT WAS 6-0 TO DENY. WE CAME TO THAT CONCLUSION JUST BECAUSE IT WAS NOT A FIT FOR THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE OF BASICALLY SARASOTA SPRINGS. WITH THAT COMING IN, THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE DAIRY ROAD, THERE'S NOT A CORRECT OR GOOD TIME FRAME OF WHEN THAT IS GOING TO KICKOFF. FOR THE ALLEVIATION OF 315 . YOU STILL HAVE AGRIKOLA THAT JUST GOT SOLD. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT COULD BRING. THAT COULD BRING IN ANOTHER 15,000 HOMES BELOW IT.

SO WE TOOK THAT INTO CONSIDERATION. THE SCHOOL CONCURRENCY, YES, IT IS CONCURRED BUT IT IS CONCURRED BECAUSE THEY ARE TAKING CONSIDERATION OF ONLINE CLASSES.

THEY ARE TAKING CONSIDERATION OF -- WHAT IS IT, THE OTHER THING CHARTER HOMES. IT'S NOT JUST THE CLAY HIGH AND SARASOTA.

THOSE ARE THE OTHER THINGS WE TOOK INTO CONSIDERATION. BUT IF I HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS THAT YOU WANT TO ASK ME, I WILL ANSWER THEM TO THE BEST OF MY ABILITY.

>> ANY QUESTIONS OF THE CHAIRMAN?

>> I HAVE ONE, SIR. IS THE PRIMARY OBJECTION TRAFFIC,

POTENTIAL TRAFFIC? >> YES. THE OTHER THING WAS TRAFFIC AND IT'S JUST 315 IS NOT SUITED FOR IT. FOR 315 NOT BEING WIDENED YET, AND CONSIDERATION OF 16 NOT BEING WIDENED YET AND WE STILL DON'T HAVE EVERYTHING CATHEDRAL OAKS IS THERE BUT 160 HOMES TIMES TWO OR THREE CARS PER FAMILY NOW? WHAT IS THAT? THAT IS 300 VEHICLES COMING THROUGH THERE.

AND 315 COMING DOWN THAT BACK WAKE AND YOU HAVE STUDENTS.

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>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> CAN I ASK THE SCHOOL BOARD AN A QUESTION? WAS HE CORRECT? DO YOU TAKE ONLINE AND CHARTER SCHOOLS INTO YOUR CONCURRENCY CALCULATION?

>> AS OF TODAY, IF AN APPLICANT WAS TO COME IN, WE WOULD TAKE PER FLORIDA STATUTE HAVE TOTAKE INTO CONSIDERATION CHARTER SCHOOLS AS WELL AS ONLINE SCHOOLS. HOWEVER AT THE TIME OF THIS APPLICATION, THAT WASN'T THE CASE. WE CONSIDERED PHYSICAL SEATS IN OUR SCHOOLS IN THE SERVICE AREA. SO WHAT HAPPENED WITH THIS FAMILIAR CONCURRENCY APPLICATION IS THERE WAS AN EXTENSION FILED BY THE APPLICANT DUE TO WHAT'S CALLED AN EXTENSION, IT'S FLORIDA STATUTE 3252 WHERE THEY COULD ISSUE BASED ON EMERGENCY DECLARATIONS FROM HURRICANES. SO THIS PARTICULAR CONCURRENCY APPLICATION ORIGINALLY WAS ISSUED IN MARCH OF '26, 2024 AND WAS EXTENDED TO MARCH 25,

2028. >> AND MR. CHAIR, I DON'T THINK THIS IS CONSIDERED TESTIFYING. OUR ATTORNEY PROBABLY WANTS TO WEIGH IN. BUT WE KEEP TALKING ABOUT THE COUNTY ROAD 315 ALIGNMENT. AND I'M NOT SURE EVERYONE HERE KNOWS EXACTLY WHAT THAT IS. WOULD IT BE OKAY FOR ME TO EXPLAIN IT? DO, YEAH. WELL, CAN YOU PUT BACK UP THE -- YOU HAD A DRAWING THAT HAD THE PETERS BUSINESS PARK IN IT.

ENGINEERING GUY IS HERE, PLEASE. I'M NOT SURE EVERYONE KNOWS WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT, THE 315 EXTENSION OR REALIGNMENT AND THE MAPS WEREN'T REAL CLEAR. GO BACK. YOU HAD ONE, THE PETERS BUSINESS PARK. OH, THAT WAS THE OTHER ONE?

>> RICHARD SMITH, COUNTY ENGINEER. THE GREEN COAST BYPASS WHICH HAS BEEN NAMED THE CLAY DAIRY PARKWAY IS A HIGHWAY THAT IS PROPOSED TO GO FROM U.S. 17 SOUTH OF THE GREEN COAST CITY LIMITS, SOUTH OF 15A WHERE IT INTERSECTS AND WILL GO WEST OF GREEN COVE SPRINGS AND WILL TIE IN, AND REPLACE SPRINK BANK ROAD WHERE THE LIVESTOCK PAVILION IS IN AND THEN IT MAKES A SWOOSH DOWN AND TIES BACK INTO EXISTING 315 AT MEDINEA WHICH IS THE ENTRANCE INTO MAGNOLIA WEST. IT IS KIND OF BROKEN INTO PROBABLY, IT WILL END UP BEING FOUR PARTS. THE SOUTH PART IS UNDER TRUCKS NOW BETWEEN U.S. 17 ONTO STATE ROAD 17, THE EXPRESSWAY. THE DEVELOPERS OF THAT AREA, GOVERNORS PARK, HAS BEEN RENAMED NOW. THEY ARE BUILDING NEW RAMPS THAT WILL TIE INTO THE TOLL ROAD. THE NEXT SECTION WILL GO FROM THE TOLL ROAD UP TO STATE ROAD 16 WHERE SPRING BANK IS. SPRING BANK WILL BE REALIGNED TO TEE INTO CLAY DAIRY PARKWAY. D.O.T. IS PROPOSING FOUR LANING FROM THE EXISTING STATE ROAD 16, DIVERGING DIAMOND, WHICH I'M SURE EVERYONE IS IN AGREEMENT WITH, AND DRIVES THROUGH THERE ON PURPOSE, IT WILL GO FROM THERE TO SPRING BANK. THAT'S THE FOUR LANING OF THE FIRST PHASE. THOSE PLANS ARE CURRENTLY

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>> SPECIFICALLY THE PART THAT I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT WAS AS 315 COMES SOUTH, IT'S GOING TO BE REUH-UH LINED THROUGH THE PETERS BUSINESS PARK SO IT HITS RIGHT AT SPRING BANK ROAD IS TODAY.

>> THERE IS ALSO A ROAD CALLED CHESSER THAT WE HAVE RIGHT OF

WAY WITH. >> THAT BECOMES A FOUR WAY INTERSECTION WITH 315 AND SPRING BANK. AND WHAT WILL BE THE PIECE OF 315 LEFT BETWEEN 16 AND WHEREVER THE PETERS CREEK PROPERTY IS, THAT KIND OF REMAINS AS AN ACCESS ROAD FOR

LOCAL TRAFFIC. >> YES, SIR. THE PLAN IS TO TEE INTO CLAY DAIRY PARKWAY. IF YOU GEOUT THERE, YOU HAVE TO BE CREATIVE BUT YOU CAN SEE THE NEW ROAD BEING BUILT. THE FIRST PHASE OF SARASOTA SPRINGS IS GOING IN. IT IS BORDERED BY THE NEW ALIGNMENT OF CLAY DAIRY PARKWAY WHICH WILL BASICALLY MAKE 315 A ROAD JUST FOR THE FOLKS THAT LIVE ON IT AND NOT REALLY A CUT THROUGH ROAD FOR MUCH OF ANYBODY.

>> FOLLOW UP ON THAT? >> THANK YOU FOR LETTING US CATCH YOU OFF GUARD BY THE WAY. WHAT'S THE TIMELINE FOR THE COMPLETION OF THOSE ROADS? OF CLAY DAIRY PARKWAY.

>> IT IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION NOW FROM 15A TO 17. THOSE.

>> I THINK WE HAVE THE PLOTS IN. UP CLOSE TO THE BUSINESS PARK, AROUND MEDINA, YOU CAN SEE THE CONTRACTOR ON THAT. THE GATE IS CLOSED, YOU CAN'T GET IN. BUT YOU CAN SEE HOW THE ROAD IS ALREADY -- THE BASE OF IT AND THE ALIGNMENT OF IT HAS ALREADY BEEN PUT IN. THAT WILL BE DEPENDENT DEPENDENT ON THE BUSINESS PARK. THAT IS A BETTER QUESTION FOR THE CLAY COUNTY DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY. WE ARE HEARING THAT THERE WILL BE

ANNOUNCEMENTS COMING SOON. >> I THINK MY QUESTION IS WHEN CLAY DAIRY ROAD COMES IN AND CONNECTS TO 16, I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE TIMING BETWEEN WHEN THE CONNECTION WOULD BE MADE AND THE BYPASS FROM THIS AREA WOULD BE ESTABLISHED. IT SOUNDS LIKE IT WOULD CORRESPOND WITH THE 2028 TIME FRAME THAT I HEARD FROM THE DEVELOPER BUT I WANTED TO CONFIRM THAT.

>> IT IS CALLED A MOBILITY FEE WHICH MEANS THE MONEY IS AVAILABLE TO A DEVELOPER IF HE WANTS TO COME IN AND SAY WE ARE GOING TO BUILD THE ROAD NOW. AND THERE IS A 60 MILLION DOLLAR TRUCK THERE. THEY WOULD BUILD THE ROAD AND GET REDDIT FOR $60 MILLION IN PERMIT FEES. WE WOULD NOT RECEIVE THE FEES WHEN THE BUILDINGS CAME IN BUT WE WOULD HAVE A ROAD THAT WAS PART OF THE MOBILITY NETWORK COMPLETED. THE STD OF WAITING UNTIL ALL $60 MILLION ARE IN THE BANK, RIGHT OF WAY FOR ANOTHER YEAR AND BUILD IT. THE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION, THE SHORT THING WOULD BE IF THEY GOT THE RIGHT TENANT TO COME IN NOW, THEY MAY START CONSTRUCTION NEXT WEEK. IT'S THAT -- OR DESIGN NEXT WEEK.

IT'S THAT -- IT'S DRIVEN BY THE ECONOMIC ENGINE THAT'S GOING TO BE THAT BUSINESS CENTER THERE.

>> JUST ONE FINAL QUESTION IF I COULD, AND I HATE TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT BUT YOU ARE THE COUNTY ENGINEER SO I WILL PUT YOU ON THE SPOT. DO YOU HAVE CONCERN FOR TRAFFIC WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT CONSIDERING ALL OF THE ROADWAY IMPROVEMENTS YOU

DESCRIBED? >> WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE HOMES, IT WILL BE DIFFERENT OUT THERE COMMISSIONER. AS OF NOW, WE KNOW

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>> THANK YOU. >> OKAY. ARE WE READY TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING?

>> OKAY. THE FIRST CARD I HAVE IS FOR SUE WISEMAN. I HAVE TO READ THIS. SHE DOESN'T WANT TO SPEAK BUT SHE WANTS TO VOTE AGAINST IT. 2231 STOFERED GREEN COVESPRINGS, FLR. THE NEXT CARD IS KIM STACY AND THE ONE AFTER THAT IS DANNY SMITH. PLEASE GIVE

US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. >> MY NAME IS KIM STACY, 2248 STOFERED ROAD GREEN COVE, FLORIDA. I OPPOSE REZONING. I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK WITH YOU TODAY ABOUT THE CRITICAL ISSUES AFFECTING THE FUTURE OF OUR COUNTY. THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE DEVELOPERS WHO PROFIT FROM OUR LAND AND GROWTH. WE ARE WITNESSING UNPRECEDENTED DEVELOPMENT IN CLAY COUNTY WITH NEW COMMUNITIES, THOUSANDS OF NEW HOMES CHANGING THE FACE OF OUR ONCE RURAL LANDSCAPE. DEVELOPERS LIKE DREAM FINDERS AND OTHERS ARE BUILDING HERE. MARKING OUR COUNTY AS AN IDEAL PLACE TO RAISE A FAMILY, LEVERAGING THE QUALITY OF LIFE AND THE PROXIMITY OF JACKSONVILLE. WE WELCOME THE RESPONSIBLE GROWTH. WHAT WE DO NOT WELCOME IS THE BUSINESS MODEL THAT EXTRACTS THE VALUE OF THE COMMUNITY BY FUNNELING THE BENEFITS ELSEWHERE. MY CONCERN IS THE CONTRIBUTATION FROM THE DEVELOPMENTS ARE NOT BEING REINVESTED BACK INTO OUR VERY INFRASTRUCTURES AND AMENITIES THAT OUR NEW RESIDENTS AND EXISTING RESIDENTS NEED.

INSTEAD, WE SEE HIGH PROFILE DONATIONS AND INVESTMENTS MADE IN NEIGHBORHOOD COUNTIES PARTICULARLY DUVALL FOR EXAMPLE.

PATRICK -- HOWEVER YOU PRONOUNCE THAT, THE CEO OF DREAM FINDER HOMES HAS BEEN RECOGNIZED FOR SIGNIFICANT CONTRIBUTIONS INCLUDING A MAJOR COMMITMENT TO THE UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA NEW CAMPUS IPDOWNTOWN JACKSONVILLE, $2.5 MILLION I THINK IT WAS.

THIS PROJECT WAS TOUTED AS A GAME CHANGER FOR JACKSONVILLE ECONOMY DESIGN TO REVITALIZE THE URBAN CORE AND CREATE JOBS IN DUVALL COUNTY. WHILE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENTS FOR THE REGION IS POSITIVE, IT FEELS LIKE A SLAP IN THE FACE TO CLAY COUNTY RESIDENTS. OUR SCHOOLS ARE BEING OVERCROWDED. OUR ROADS ARE MORE CONGESTED, PUBLIC SAFETY SERVICES LIKE THE NEW FIRE STATION NEEDS TO BE HANDLED AN INFLUX OF THOUSANDS OF RESIDENTS STRAINING TO KEEP UP. WE UNDERSTAND IMPACT GROWTH BUT NOT THE CONVERSATION FOR THE GROWTH. CLAY COUNTY SHOULD BE THE PRIMARY BENEFICIARY OF OCCURRING IN OUR BORDERS. WE NEED THOSE CONTRIBUTIONS TO SUPPORT THE SCHOOLS, BUILD NEW PARKS AND IMPROVE OUR INFRASTRUCTURE, NOT BOASTING JACKSONVILLE INCENTIVES OR PRIVATE INSTITUTIONS LIKE SCHOOLS WHICH HAS ALSO BEEN ASSOCIATED WITH DEVELOPMENT CONTRIBUTIONS IN THE MEDIA.

PATRICK ZAL CASKY GAVE $6 MILLION TO THE BOWL SCHOOL RECENTLY. COMMISSIONERS, I URGE YOU TO TAKE A HARD LOOK AT THE AGREEMENTS AND INCENTIVES WE ARE OFFERING THE DEVELOPERS. WE NEED STRINGENT REQUIREMENTS THAT ENSURE SIGNIFICANT REINVESTMENTS INTO CLAY COUNTY. LET'S WORK TOGETHER TO ENSURE THEDROMES THEY ARE SELLING IN THEIR MARKETING MATERIALS IS REALLY FOR US, THE CITIZENS AND NOT THE DEVELOPMENTS OF OUR NEIGHBORING COMMUNITIES. THANK YOU. I ALSO HAVE NEWS ARTICLES, TWO NEWS ARTICLES, ONE IS THE DREAM FINDERS THAT -- FOR THE

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I THINK THIS JUST HAPPENED HERE. I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE ALL OF THIS SUBMITTED INTO THE RECORD. HE'S GOING TO SPEAK NEXT BUT I'M GOING TO TRY TO HELP HIM IF I CAN.

>> THANK YOU. >> GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS.

THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK AND TAKING THE TIME TO HEAR MY CONCERNS. MY NAME IS DANNY SMITH, I LIVE IN GREEN COAST SPRINGS. FIRST, I OPPOSE REZONING COUNTY ROAD 315, 315A.

I'M HERE TONIGHT TO TALK ABOUT THE CRISIS THAT IS NO LONGER A FUTURE KRN BUT A PRESENT DANGER, THE UNCHECKED OVERDEVELOPMENT AND REZONING OF OUR COUNTY THAT LOADS DIRECTLY TO INCREASED TRAFFIC, MORE ACCIDENTS, AND PEOPLE GETTING KILLED ON OUR ROADS. PLAY COUNTY IS AN A WONDERFUL PLACE TO LIVE WHICH IS WHY SO MANY WANT TO MOVE HERE BUT OUR INFRASTRUCTURE, OUR ROAD NETWORK HAS NOT KEPT PACE WITH THE IMBALANCE AND CREATING A CRITICAL SAFETY HAZARD. JUST A FEW WEEKS AGO, OUR COMMUNITY WAS STRICKEN BY A FATAL COLLISION IN FRONT OF CLAY HIGH SCHOOL AN 18-YEAR-OLD MAN WAS KILLED AND AN A 21-YEAR-OLD FATHER WAS LEFT WITH SERIOUS INJURIES, FACING MONTHS OF REHABILITATION. THIS TRAGEDY OCCURRED AROUND 7:00 A.M. A PEAK TIME OF TRAFFIC.

WHILE THE IMMEDIATE CAUSE WAS A WRONGWAY DRIVE, I AND OTHER RESIDENTS WHO LIVE NEAR THE INTERSECTION SAY THE AREA HAS BECOME INCREASINGLY DANGEROUS IN RECENT YEARS DUE TO THE SHEER VOLUME OF TRAFFIC. SHERIFF COOK HAD TO ADVICE STUDENTS TO USE THE BACK ENTRANCE THAT DAY BECAUSE THE MAIN ROAD WAS SHUT DOWN FOR HOURS WHILE REROUTING OTHER TRAFFIC DOWN 315 AND 315A.

THIS WAS NOT AN ISOLATED INCIDENT. IT IS A HEAVILY TRAVELLED ROAD. THE INCREASED DENSITY FROM THE NEW DEVELOPMENTS IS FUNNELING MORE CARS ON TWO ROADS THAT WAS NEVER DESIGNED TO HANDLE THIS CAPACITY. WHEN THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS APPROVE REZONING NEW SUBDIVISIONS WITHOUT INDISCERNIBLE ] WE ARE INFECTING OUR NEIGHBORS AND CHILDREN. BACKUPS ARE MORE THAN AN CONVENIENCE. THEY ARE A CLEAR AND PRESENT DANGER THAT CAN AND DOES LEAD TO DEATH. THE COUNTY HAS SAFE STREETS PROJECT UNDERWAY AND THAT'S A POSITIVE STEP. BUT WE NEED MORE THAN SURVEYS AND ACTION PLANS. WE NEED IMMEDIATE CONCRETE ACTION.

WE NEED TO HALT REZONING APPROVALED FOR HIGH DENSITY PROJECTS UNTIL OUR ROADS CAN SAFELY SUPPORT THE CURRENT POPULATION, EXPEDDIDE ROAD WIDENINGS ON KNOWN HIGH RISK CORRIDORS LIKE STATE ROAD 16, COUNTY ROAD 15, 315, MANDATE IMPACT FEES OR DEVELOPMENT FEES THAT COVER THE COST OF NECESSARY ROAD EXPANSIONS BEFORE NEW PROJECTS BREAK GROUND. WE ENTRUST OUR COMMISSIONERS WITH THE WELL-BEING OF THIS COUNTY.

THE TIME OF DELIBERATION IS OVER. WE NEED TO STOP THE OVERDEVELOPMENT THAT IS KILLING OUR PEOPLE. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU MR. SMITH. JUSTIN GARBER, AND THEN AFTER MR. GARBER IS GEORGE GOODERAGE. GOOD EVENING, JUSTIN GARBER, 2 IT 54 STOEFER ROAD, GRIEVE COVE SPRINGS FLORIDA. I'M OPPOSED TO THE REZONING. ONE THING I DEFINITELY HAVE TO SAY IS THE REZONING HAPPENED AROUND JACKSONVILLE AND THE SURROUNDING AREAS ARE ALWAYS AHEAD OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE CHANGE WHEN IT COMES TO THE ROADS AND UPGRADES. ONE EXAMPLE IS CONSTRUCTION SIGNS ON 117 SAYING IT WAS SUPPOSED TO START A MONTH AGO. I HAVEN'T SEEN A SINGLE THING HAPPEN YET. HIGHWAY 17 COMES TO THE INTERSECTION WITH THE SMALL GAS STATION IS IS IN SO DISREPAIR, IT IS HARD TO GO AROUND THERE AND DRIVE WITH A NORMAL VEHICLE. ALL I SEE IS BIG TRUCKS AND GARBAGE TRUCKS COMING AROUND THE INTERSECTION, COMPLETELY DESTROYING IT, THIS ROAD IS WELL BEYOND ITSUSAGE, ESPECIALLY FOR THE TYPE OF TRAFFIC THAT IT IS. IF THEY WANTED TO WIDEN IT AND IMPROVE

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REZONING. >> THANK YOU, MR. GARBER. GEORGE

GOODERAGE. >> GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS. THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO ME. FIRST OF ALL, GARRETT AND MARK HAVE DONE A GREAT JOB OF TRYING TO -- THEY HAVE BEEN WORKING FOR A WHILE. I KNOW THERE ARE CHALLENGES AND THEY ARE CONTINUING TO TRITE TO PUT A ROUND PEG IN A SQUARE HOLE. I WAS PREPARED TO GIVE A LONG LIST OF REASONS WHY THIS IS NOT A FIT AND SHOULD NOT GO FORWARD. YOU DPIES ARE PROFESSIONAL. YOU SEE MORE DEVELOPMENT APPLICATIONS THAN I DO. YOU UNDERSTAND HOW IT WORKS. AND YOU KNOW FAR BETTER WHY THIS IS NOT A FIT FOR US THAN I CAN STATE. THE TRAFFIC, INFRASTRUCTURE, THE DENSITY SWING, SENSITIVE WETLANDS, WILDLIFE CORRIDORS, ALL OF THEZ THINGS. I WILL SAY THE FIRST TIMEURAL HEARING # 15A REALIGNMENT, I BELIEVE I WAS A FRESHMAN OR SOPHOMORE AT THE UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA. THIS WAS IN THE 90S AND THIS WAS GOING TO BE THE NEXT BEST THING. I APPRECIATE MR. SHILLING BRINGING OUT A LOT OF MY AMMUNITION AGAINST THIS BECAUSE YES, THE FIRST COAST EXPRESSWAY IS OPEN NOW AND TRAFFIC IS WORSE. SARASOTA SPRINGS IS NOT STABILIZED. WE DON'T KNOW THE IMPACTS THAT WILL HAPPEN ONCE SARASOTA SPRINGS IS BUILT OUT. FARM TO MARKET ROADS ARE FALLING APART NOW. 315 WAS RESURFACED A COUPLE YEARS AGO EAND IT IS ALREADY FALLING APART. MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS DRAINAGE.

CURRENTLY 315A ACTS AS A DAM ON MY PROPERTY. I TOOK MY OWN LASER OUT THERE AND THE EDGE OF 315A IS A QUARTER INCH LOWER THAN THE CROWN OF THE ROAD. 11.25 INCHES HIGHER THAN MY FINISHED FLOOR ELEVATION. EVERYTHING ON MY PROPERTY FLOWS WEST TO EAST. THE MINUTE THIS IS BUILT OUT, YOU HAVE SEEN THE PADS ON 315 ACROSS FROM THE SPRINGS AND MAG WEST THEY ARE 10 FEET ABOVE THE FINISHED FLOOR OF MAG WEST AND POTENTIAL WILLOW SPRINGS. 315 IS SITTING IN AN ALLEY. EVERYTHING -- THE FIRST TIME WE GET ANY KIND OF STORM , 315 IS GOING TO FLOOD, MAG WEST I'M CONCERNED WHAT WOULD HAPPEN THERE. WHERE DOES THE WATER GO? ON 315A, MY PROPERTY GOES WEST TO EAST. THERE IS ONE ELLIPTICAL CORRUGATED METAL PIPE RUNNING UNDER 15A. IT IS 34 BY 32 INCHES. IT IS NOT GOING TO CARRY ALL OF THIS. WE HAVE SEEN NO ELEVATIONS FROM THIS DEVELOPMENT. THERE IS NOTHING BEEN PROPOSED. FLOODING IS GOING TO HAPPEN. I HAVE SEEN IT HAPPEN. YOU GUYS HAVE SEEN IT HAPPEN. WE HAVE TO PREVENT THIS.

THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO US. WE NEED TO BUILD WITH THE LAND NOT JUST ON TOP OF IT. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. SUSAN GOODERAGE AND THEN WE HAVE PATRICIA

FERNANDEZ. >> GOOD EVENING, MY NAME IS SEUSSEN GOODERAGE. I LIVE DIRECTLY ASIDE THE PROPERTY PROPOSED FOR THIS NEW DEVELOPMENT. I CARE FOR OUR 10 ACRES THAT 3776 COUNTY ROAD 315A WHERE ME AND MY HUSBAND HAVE WORKED TO MAINTAIN THE AGRICULTURAL CHARACTER AND NATURAL BEAUTY OF OUR COMMUNITY. MANY OF OUR NEIGHBORS HERE TONIGHT THAT LIVE ON 315A ALL OWN FARMS OR RAISE ANIMALS, HAVE GARDENS, SUPPORT THE LOCAL FOOD PANTRIES, EVERYONE THAT LIVES ON THAT ROAD HAS INHERITED THIS PROPERTY FROM RELATIVES OR FAMILIES OR LIVED THERE FOREVER. AS A MATTER OF FACT, OUR GRANDMOTHER, MY HUSBAND'S GRANDMOTHER GAVE US THIS PROPERT AS A GIFT TO LIVE ON AND RESIDE SO THAT WE COULD GIVE IT TO OUR CHILDREN AND THEY COULD GIVE IT TO THEIR CHILDREN.

JUST THINK ABOUT THAT. NOW WE WANT THIS RIGHT NEXT TO OUR BACK DOOR? RIGHT NEXT TO OUR FENCE? RIGHT WHERE MY PIG LIVES? I DON'T THINK SO. WE ARE NOT OPPOSED TO GROWTH BUT WE ARE FOR

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I'M CONCERNED THAT IT WOULD CREATE A GREAT DANGER OF OVERFLEING AND FLOODING OUR PROPERTY AND HOME. RISK OF RUNOFF, MOSQUITO ISSUES AND CHANGES IN NATURAL DRAINAGE THAT COULD DESTROY OUR SOIL AND LIVESTOCK. BUT WE ASK THE BOARD TO DENY THIS REZONING AND WAIT UNTIL SARASOTA SPRINGS AND IT'S 4, 489 HOMES ARE COMPLETED TO SEE HOW THIS IMPACTS OUR ROADS AND SURROUNDING AREA. THEY JUST STARTED THIS DEVELOPMENT. WE'VE GOT TO WAIT. 16O0 HOAR MOMES ARE NOT GOING TO MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE TO ANYBODY. PLEASE PROTECT WHAT MAKES OUR AREA SPECIAL AND VOTE NO. THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO THE RESIDENTS WHO LIVE HERE AND

CARE DEEPLY ABOUT THIS LAND. >> THANK YOU. PATRICIA FERNANDEZ

AND THEN WE HAVE TERESA ALIANO. >> GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS PATRICIA FERNANDEZ, I LIVE AT 3009 RUSTLE ROAD COUNTY ROAD 209. I HAVE RESIDED IN CLAY COUNTY FOR 57 YEARS. I AM A RETIRED SCHOOL TEACHER. IT'S IMPERATIVE THAT WE PROTECT AND SAVE THE GREEN SPACES THAT WE STILL HAVE AND ENJOY THEY ARE CONDUCIVE TO OUR GOOD HEALTH. WE NEED TO STOP DESTROYING THE NATURAL WORLD AROUND US, THE HABITAT FOR THE ANIMALS THAT WERE HERE BEFORE ANY HUMAN BEINGS SET FOOT IN THIS COUNTY.

OUR SCHOOLS CAN'T KEEP UP WITH THE GROWTH. WE DO NOT NEED ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC. IT IS ALREADY AWFUL. IF YOU LIVE ANYWHERE NEAR 209, YOU KNEWHAT I MEAN. I OPPOSE ANY AND ALL AMENDMENTS TO THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP AS IT NOW STANDS. THANK

YOU. >> THANK YOU. TERESA ALIANO AND

THEN KIMBERLEY MIDDLETON. >> GOOD EVENING. THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK. I LIVE AT 765 DUE DRIVE, ORANGE PARK.

I'M GLAD THE C.A.C. RECOMMENDED AGAINST THIS PROPOSAL LAST MONTH. I ATTENDED THE MEETING LAST YEAR AT WHICH THE BCC DENIED THE PROPOSAL. I'M HERE ASKING YOU TO RECOMMEND THEY DO THE SAME WITH THIS MODIFIED VERSION. JUSTIFYING FURTHER DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE WE ARE ALREADY SURROUNDED BY I HAVE HEARD THE TERM MEGA DEVELOPMENTS SEVERAL TIMES AND WE ARE ALREADY ON THE CUSP AS MANY THOUSANDS OF ADDITIONAL MOMES COMING IN IS ASININE WHEN FURTHER DEVELOPMENT IS UNNECESSARY. WE DON'T NEED IT. ACCEPTABLE TRAFFIC? ACCEPT T TO WHOM? ACCEPTABLE VERSUS WHAT FOR THE PEOPLE LIVING HERE. SCHOOL CONCURRENCIES, I'M A FORMER TEACHER AS WELL. ONLINE LEARNING AND TEACHING IS NOT APPLES TO APPLES WITH HAVING KIDS PHYSICALLY AT SCHOOL. I TAUGHT THROUGH COVID AND I KNOW WHAT IT IS LIKE. NOT THE SAME THING. THERE ARE ONLY SO MANY WAYS TO SAY THE SAME THING. THIS IS THE THIRD TIME I HAVE BEEN HERE TO ADDRESS SOME VERSION OF THIS PROPOSAL AND MOY OPPOSITION TO IT HAS NOT AND WILL NOT CHANGE, REGARDLESS OF THE ROUNDS OF MODIFICATIONS AND REPROPROSALS MADE. MY FAMILY HAS LIVED HERE SINCE THE LATE 60S.

MY BROTHER AND I ATTENDED ALL OF THE CLAY COUNTY SCHOOLS. MY HUSBAND AND I HAVE RAISED OUR TWO CHILDREN HERE. I HAVE BEEN ANGERED AND SADDENED BY THE CRAZY PACE AND DEVELOPMENT. I MOURN THE LOSS OF THE COUNTY I GREW UP IN. I REALIZE SOME CHANGE IS INEVITABLE BUT THIS DEVELOPMENT IS NOT ACCEPTABLE.

GREEN WILD SPACES ARE DWINDLING HERE. I HAVE EXPERIENCED THE INSANE EXPERIENCES IN TRAFFIC, SPEED, AND CONGESTION THAT RESULTED FROM THE DEVELOPMENT THAT HAS BEEN ALLOWED HERE. AS PEOPLE KEEP SAYING, THIS HASN'T EVEN COME ONLINE YET. FURTHER LOSS OF GREEN SPACE WITH NEW HOMES BRINGING CARS. WE HAVE

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YOU. >> THANK YOU. KIMBERLEY

MIDDLETON AND THEN RUBEN. >> GOOD EVENING. I RESIDE AT 2266 NORTH ROAD, GREEN COVE SPRINGS. THANK YOU FOR AND YOU ARE TIME TONIGHT. I LIVE ON MY FAMILY'S FARM THAT BORDERS THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT SITE. WE HAVE WORKED AND FARMED ON THAT LAND FOR OVER 80 YEARS. OUR FARM PRODUCES FOOD YEAR ROUND FOR THE COMMUNITY, SEASONAL CROPS, CHICKEN, CATTLE, PIGS, HONEY, SUGAR CANE, PINEAPPLES, MUCH MORE. SOME OF THAT FOOD GOES DIRECTLY TO THE FOOD PANTRY ON A REGULAR BASESS AS WELL AS OUR CHURCH. ON OUR PROPERTY IS A SPRING FED POND TWO ACRES IN SIZE WHICH PROVIDES WATER FOR THE CROP. THAT POND IS CLOSE TO ONE OF THE PR POSED RETENTION PONDS. WE ARE GREATLY CONCERNED TO THE CHANGES TO THE WETLANDS AND DRAINAGE SYSTEM WILL ALTER THE FLOW OF WATER TO THE AREA. THE APPLICATION NOTES POND AREA BUT WILL THAT HANDLE THE RUNOFF FROM THE PROPOSED HOMES AND SURROUNDINGLAND? IF IT DOESN'T, WHERE DOES THE OVER FLEGOES? FLOD WATERFALLOES THE PATH OF LEAST RESISTANCE WHICH INCLUDES OUR FARM. IT WOULD CARRY CONTAMINANTS THREATENING SOIL, CROPS, AND LIVESTOCK. ONCE THAT HAPPENS, THE ABILITY TO PROVIDE PASTURE FOR LIVESTOCK IS GONE. WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE DAMAGE? THE DEVELOPER OR THE COUNTY WHO APPROVED IT? THE TWO MILE STRETCH OF HIGHWAY 315 IS ALREADY DANGEROUS. THERE IS A SCHOOL ZONE, THREE SEPARATE POSTED SPEED ZONES, NO SHOULDERS, HEAVY TRUCKS CAUSE CONSTANT DAMAGE AND WATER POOLS ON THE EDGES. I'VE COME TO CALL THE ROSE MARY 315 INTERSECTION WHERE THERE ARE NO TRAFFIC SIGNALS THE KALEIDOSCOPE OF CHAOS. RECENTLY A TRAGIC COLLISION THERE INVOLVED A YOUNG PERSON THAT I KNOW PERSONALLY. YES, CATHEDRAL OAKS OPENED BUT T WITH NO TURN LANES, TRAFFIC BACKS TO WILLOW SPRINGS. WITH 4400 PLUS NEW HOMES THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN APPROVED IN SARASOTA SPRINGS WE ARE SETTING OURSELVES UP FOR ANOTHER SAND RIDGE ROAD SCENARIO, GRIDLOCK THAT WILL DELAY EMERGENCY VEHICLES AND ENDANGER LIVES. OUR ROADS CAN'T HANDLE MORE IRRESPONSIBLE DEVELOPMENT IN THEIR CURRENT CONDITION. THE APPLICATION CLAIMS THE PROJECT IS COMPATIBLE WITH SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES BY CONTINUALLY REFERENCING WILLOW SPRINGS SARASOTA SPRINGS AND MAGNOLIA WEST. HOWEVER, WE ARE THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY. CLEAR CUTTING TREES AND CUTTING A FLOOD ZONE FOR 160 BOX STYLE HOMES IS NOT COMPATIBLE WITH OUR RURAL WAY OF LIFE OR SURROUNDING CHARACTERISTICS. FORCING RESIDENTS TO BEAR THE ENVIRONMENTAL AND SAFETY CONSEQUENCES OF UNCHECKED GROWTH IS UNACCEPTABLE. I URGE YOU TO PROTECT AN ALREADY EXISTING COMMUNITY AND LESSEN THE BURDEN OF ANOTHER UNNECESSARY DEVELOPMENT TO OUR ALREADY FAILING COUNTY INFRASTRUCTURE BY DENYING THIS DEVELOPMENT. THANK

YOU. >> THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER MOODY

AND THEN CHERYL KIRKLAND. >> MY NAME IS RUBEN MOODY. I

OPPOSE THE REZONING. >> COULDIA GIVE US YOUR ADDRESS?

>> 1375 PUTETY ROAD, GREEN COVE SPRINGS FLR FLORIDA. I OPPOSE THE REZONING ON 315A. WENT TO THE REZONING MEETING WHEN THEY OCCURRED. AT THE TIME IT WAS SAID IN THESE MEETINGS THAT THE DEVELOPMENT WOULD NOT AANY OTHER NEIGHBORS AND THEIR PROPERTY. I

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>> IS THAT IT MR. MOODY? >> THAT'S IT.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR. I WOULD LIKE TO REMIND THE AUDIENCE THAT AUDIENCE PARTICIPATION IS NOT DESIRED OR WANTED. SO LET'S KEEP THAT IN MIND.

>> I'M FROM -- I RESIDE IN ALABAMA. MY BROTHER AND I DROVE SIX HOURS FROM ALABAMA TO BE HERE TONIGHT TO ATTEND THE MEETING TO EXPRESS OUR SUPPORT FOR THE REZONING. ON MAY 1, 2022, MY MOTHER LUCY BERNICE PASSED AWAY LEAVING 34 ACRES ON COUNTY ROAD 315 IN HER ESTATE. THE PROPERTY HAS BEEN DEEDED TO MY THREE BROTHERS AND I. IT IS HER DESIRE FOR THE PROPERTY TO BE SOLD AND TO SATISFY HER WILL. THE PROPERTY WAS GIVEN TO MY MOTHER BY HER PARENTS, JULIAN AND LUCY GOODERAGE WHICH ARE MY GRANDPARENTS. THE PROPERTY HAS BEEN IN THE FAMILY SINCE 1928.

IT WAS GIVEN TO MY MOTHER WITH NO STRINGS ATTACHED. IT WAS A GIFT. MY DPRAND PARENTS KNEW AT SOME POINT, THE PROPERTY WOULD NEED TO BE SOLD. THIS REZONING PROJECT IS IMPORTANT TO MY FAMILY SO WE CAN SATISFY MY MOTHER'S WILL AND FULLY PUT HER TO REST. MY BROTHERS AND MY SISTER AND MYSELF SPENT MANY SUMMERS AND HOLIDAYS IN GREEN COAST SPRINGS VISITING GRANDPARENTS AND OTHER RELATIVES. AS ADULTS, WE CONTINUE TO VISIT. MY BROTHER HARRY AND HIS WIFE, THEIR SON KYLE AND HIS FAMILY RESIDE ON PROPERTY THAT WAS ONCE MY MOTHER'S. THEY HAVE BEEN THERE FOR YEARS. THEY HAVE SEEN THE GROWTH IN GREEN COVE SPRINGS. THE GROUP HAS PROPOSED TO BUILD

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THEY HELD TOWN HALL RESIDENTIAL MEETINGS. I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN FOR THE GROWTH IN THE AREA BUT THIS RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION THAT IS PROPOSED IS NOT GOING TO KEEP ANYONE FROM GROWING THEIR CROPS. IT'S NOT GOING TO KEEP ANYONE FROM HAVING PIG, COW, OR CHICKENS. IT'S NOT GOING TO -- IT'S NOT GOING TO -- THE TRAFFIC CONCERNS HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED. AND IF THIS PROJECT IS NOT A GOOD FIT FOR THE AREA, NEITHER IS SARASOTA SPRINGS OR ANY OF THE OTHER RESIDENTIAL AREAS POPPING UP.

AGAIN THE PROJECT IS IMPORTANT TOMY FAMILY AND I'M ASKING THE COMMITTEE TO VOTE TO REZONE THE PROPERTIES. THANK YOU AND

APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. >> THANK YOU. THEN WE HAVE TOMMY

HENLAND. >> THANK YOU, GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS HARRY COLLIE. AND I LIVE THAT 3859 COUNTY ROAD 315.

THAT'S MY SON AND I BOTH LIVE ON THE 6 ACRES THERE. THAT'S THE LITTLE SQUARE THAT IS KIND OF SURROUNDED BY THE PROPERTY. I DID NOT GROW UP LIVING AROUND HERE. MY DAD WAS IN THE NAVY.

WHEN WE FINALLY MOVED BACK CLOSE ENOUGH TO GROW UP, WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME AS MY SISTER SAID, SPENT A LOT OF TIME AROUND HERE.

THAT WAS IN 1960. WE MOVED BACK TO JACKSONVILLE. ROADS WERE 315A AND 315 WERE DIRT ROADS BACK THEN. I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE ELSE IN THE ROOM REMEMBERS THAT BUT I CAN REMEMBER WHEN THEY WERE DIRT ROADS. I MOVED BACK HERE WITH MY WIFE AND TWO SONS IN 1993. SINCE THEN, WE HAVE WATCHED THE RINEHOLD PROPERTY ACROSS FROM ME. IT IS NOW A P.U.D. I BELIEVE SOMEBODY SAID THAT THERE IS AN INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT RIGHT BEHIND THAT TO THE WEST OF ME. I THINK SOMEONE CALLED IT PETERS SOMETHING. WE WATCHED MAGNOLIA POINT WEST SARASOTA SPRINGS, SARASOTA EAST, ALL OF THOSE DEVELOPMENTS, I HAVE NOT OPPOSED ANY OF THEM. I DON'T OPPOSE THIS. I AM FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT. I WENT TO POLTY'S MEETING IN JUNE BECAUSE I HAD A CONCERN ABOUT WATER FLOWING OFF OF MY PROPERTY BECAUSE THE WATER THAT FLOWS FROM WEST TO EAST AND MY QUESTIONS BASICALLY I WAS TOLD THEY CAN'T IMPEDE THE WATER FLOWING OFF MY PROPERTY ONTO THIS -- I GUESS IT IS GOING TO BE GOOD RIDGE STATES. THEY SATISFIED MY CONCERNS THERE. I KNOW MY GRANDFATHER AND PROBABLY 50 YEARS AGO LET THE COUNTY DIG A DITCH ON THE BACK SIDE OF THE 34 ACRES THAT IS IN THIS RESENING TO DRAIN KNOWLES ROAD.

I THINK THAT DUMPS INTO GEORGE GOODERAGE'S BACK YARD. IF THERE

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IT'S GOTTEN BETTER SINCE CATHEDRAL OPENED UP. ASIDE FROM THE PIPELINE THEY ARE PUTTING IN, IT HAS GOTTEN BETTER. THE PROPOSED EXTENSION OR ANNEX, WHATEVER IT WAS CALLED IS GOING TO MAKE IT BETTER. SO I DON'T THINK TRAFFIC IS GOING TO BE A PROBLEM. I THINK THE ENGINEER SAID IT IS NOT GOING TO BE A PROBLEM. DRAINAGE, IF THEY WILL ADDRESS, THE COUNTY WILL ADDRESS THE PROBLEM, GETTING THE WATER OFF THE GOOD RIDGE PROPERTY T, I THINK WE WILL BE OKAY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

>> THANK YOU. MR. HAMMOND, AND THEN WE HAVE SHARON BERNARD.

>> I DON'T NEED TO SPEAK. >> OKAY.

>> YOU SUBMITTED A CARD BUT YOU AGREE WITH SOME OF THE OTHER SPEAKERS, ARE YOU OPPOSED TO THE DEVELOPMENT?

>> I'M FOR THE DEVELOPMENT. I WAS GOING TO SPEAK TO GENERAL RUNOFF CONCERNS

>> SHARON BERNARD AND THEN MARLENE STROUD. OKAY SO YOU ARE SAYING AGAINST IT? ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU.

>> HI, I'M SHARON BERNARD, 19 # 7 STATE ROAD 16 WEST IN GREEN COVE SPRINGS. I LIVE ON PROPERTY MY FAMILY HAS LIVED ON FOR MORE THAN 80 YEARS. I WAS BORN AND RAISED IN GREEN COVE. MY HOLD FAMILY, DISTANT FAMILY HAS LIVED HERE FOR MANY GENERATIONS. I LIVE ABOUT A HALF A MILE DOWN FROM WHERE 315A TEES INTO HIGHWAY 16. TAKE THAT ROAD PROBABLY A COUPLE TIMES A DAY.

IT IS ONE OF MY FAVORITE PLACES TO DRIVE BECAUSE IT IS SO BEAUTIFUL. I'M ASUPPOSED TO THIS REZONING I WAS INTERESTED IN THE DATA THAT THE ENGINEER PRESENTED. IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE THE SAME UNIVERSE I LIVE IN. 16 IN THE MORNINGS AT 6:00 IS CRAZY. YOU HEARD SOMEONE TALKING ABOUT THE FATAL ACCIDENT. MY BROTHER IS A COMMERCIAL CRABBER, TRYING TO PULL HIS FISHING BOAT ONTO 16, SOMETIMES HE HAS TO WAIT 20 TO 30 MINUTES BECAUSE IT IS SOLID TRAFFIC THAT TIME OF DAY. I DON'T KNOW THE TIME OF DAY WHERE THEY TOOK THE MEASUREMENTS, I KNOW THEY DID IT AT 315 AND 316, BUT THAT VASTLY UNDERESTIMATES THE TRAFFIC. I KNOW THAT HAS BEEN SPOKEN TO. I REALLY DON'T THINK WE NEED ONE MORE SUBDIVISION ON # 15. WE DON'T KNOW THE IMPACT OF SARASOTA SPRINGS YET. ONE MORE PLACE TO CARVE UP INTO CONCRETE DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME. IT'S GOING TO ADD THE THE PROBLEMS WE ALREADY HAVE. YOU HAVE HEARD OF THAT. I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO SAY NO TO THE PROPOSAL AND ALLOW US TO RETAIN SOME GREEN SPACES. I'M ONE OF THE EMAILS YOU GOT.

AND I KNOW THAT SOUNDS KIND OF SAPPY BUT FOR ME IT'S A BIG DEAL WHEN YOU DRIVE DOWN THE ROAD AND YOU SEE A FOX DOWN THE ROAD AND DEER ALL AROUND. WE NEED THAT. THAT'S IMPORTANT. I THINK ANOTHER SUBDIVISION IN THAT PLACE IS GOING TO COMPLETLY CHANGE THE NEIGHBORHOOD. I DO REMEMBER WHEN IT WAS DIRT ROADS.

I REMEMBER WHEN 315 DIDN'T MEET 315A BECAUSE I RODE MY HORSE DOWN THERE. THIS IS OUR HOME. WE ASK YOU TO HOLD THE LINE ON FURTHER DEVELOPMENT IN THE AREA. I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.

>> THANK YOU. SANDRA DUNLAP AND THEN WE HAVE ROSE KNOWLES.

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>> LET THE OCTGENARIAN GET DOWN HERE.

>> THAT'S ALREADY. >> 303 NORTH MAGNOLIA AVENUE . I HAVE BEEN A RESIDENT HERE, CAME HERE AS A YOUNG TEACHER IN 1965 AND HAVE WATCHED THIS COMMUNITY JUST EXPLODE. I'M WROITING TO EXPRESS A STRONG OPPOSITION TO THE PROPOSED REZONIN OF MULTIPLE PARCELS ALLICATED ON COUNTY ROAD 315 BETWEEN KNOWLES ROAD AND COUNTY ROAD 315A. THE APPLICANT SEEKS TO CONVERT RURAL RESIDENTIAL AND AGRICULTURAL TO A PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT FOR 160 LOT SUBDIVISION, REPRESENTING A DRAMATIC AND TO ME INAPPROPRIATE INCREASE IN DENSITY. NUMBER ONE, I FEEL THAT IT IS INCOMPATIBILITY WITH OUR AREA OF CHARACTER. THIS AREA, THIS CORRIDOR IS DEFINED BY ACREAGE AND FARMS AND THE PROPOSED 2.4 UNITS PER ACRE AND REDUCED SETBACK WOULD REDUCE THIS RURAL LANDSCAPE WITH DENSE SUBURBAN DEVELOPMENT PERMANENT TALLY, ALTERING THE COMMUNITY. IT'S A COMMUNITY. JUST LIKE SARASOTA IS. THIS IS A COMMUNITY. ALTERING THE COMMUNITY'S IDENTITY AND TO ME SETTING AN UNDESIRABLE PRESIDENT. TRAFFIC AND SAFETY, WELL, I CONCUR WITH EVERYONE.

TRAFFIC 315, I HAVE BEEN ON IT EVERY MORNING, GOING TO DOCTORS IN GAINESVILLE. IT IS CRAZY JUST LIKE EVERYONE IS TALKING ABOUT.

WHEN YOU PUT 160 NEW HOMES, ADDED DAILY TRIPS, COMBINED WITH LIMITED SHOULDERS, SCHOOL BUS ROUTES, CONGESTION, IT WILL RAISE IT. AND ALSO, YOU HAVE HEARD ABOUT THE SERIOUS SAFETY CONCERNS ON THE ROAD. PUBLIC SERVICES, ENVIRONENTAL STRIFE.

THE PROJECT YOU HEARD WILL DRAIN SCHOOLS AND EMERGENCY SERVICES.

BUFFERS WILL REMOVE GREEN SPACES AND INCREASE RUNOFF AND FLOODING POTENTIAL. LAND FILL, NOBODY IS TALKING ABOUT GARBAGE AND IT HAS FILLED UP. EROSION OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THIS IS THE ONE THAT BUGS ME BECAUSE I HAVE SAT ON KRAUCHL COMPREHENSIVE PLAN COMMITTEES FOR ALONG TIME. IT SEEMS LIKE WE GET ONE AND WE JUST DO AWAY WITH IT. THE COUNTY'S PLAN EXISTS TO GUIDE AS I THOUGHT A BALANCED GROWTH AND PROTECT RURAL AREAS FROM PRECISELY THIS ENCROACHMENT. YET WITH EACH REZONING THAT I HAVE WATCHED IN THE LAST YOU KNOW HOW MANY YEARS THE PLAN LOSES MEANING AND POWER. THERE IS NO SENSE HAVING ONE. IF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CAN BE CONTINUALLY AMENDED OR JOVE RIDDEN TO SUIT ANY PERSON THAT COMES UP, WHY HAVE IT AT ALL? IT UNDERMINES YEARS OF CITIZEN INPUT, ERODESLONGTERM VISION MEANT TO SAFE GUARD OUR COUNTY'S INTEGRITY. I RESPECTFULLY URGE YOU GUYS TO DENY THIS REZONING REQUEST, UPHOLD THE RURAL RESIDENTIAL CLASSIFICATIONS AND PROTECT THE INTENT OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, MAINTAINING THE SAFETY AND CHARACTER OF COUNTY ROAD 315 AND PRESERVE THE RURAL HERITAGE THAT THESE PEOPLE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME

AND SERVICE. >> THANK YOU. ROSE KNOWLES AND

THEN H.M. KNOWLES. >> HI MY NAME IS ROSE KNOWLES, 2098 KNOWLES ROAD. I'M ON THE CORNER OF 315 AND KNOWLES ROAD.

I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH ANYONE SELLING THEIR LAND, YOUR CAR, YOUR DOG, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO SELL AS LOPG AS IT IS LEGAL AND MORAL. HOWEVER I BELIEVE THE REALTOR ASSISTING THE SALE HAS DONE AN INJUSTICE TO THE SELLER. THIS LAND CAN BE SOLD UNDER THE EXISTING ZONING WHICH I BELIEVE ALLOWS ONE HOUSE PER FIVE ACRES.

YET THE BUYER THE REALER FOUND HAS NO INTENTION OF FOLLOWING THAT. YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR. THIS BUYER NEEDS TO FIND A PROPERTY THAT SUITS THEIR GOALS RATHER THAN TRYING TO CHANGE THE CHARACTER OF THE LAND AFTER THEY PURCHASED IT. COMMISSIONER ALSO SAID SHE IS TIRED OF PEOPLE COMING TO HER WITH STARS IN THEIR EYES ASKING FOR REZONING. I HAVE TO ASK, WHO WOULD SAY YES TO MORE HOUSES? IF YOU DO, WHO ARE YOU REPRESENTING? THE RESIDENTS WHO ARE ASKING FOR REASONABLE GROWTH OR THE

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ONCE THEY ARE COMPLETED, THE COUNTY GETS TO MAINTAIN THE NEW ROADS AT THE COST OF THE TAXPAYERS. ONCE THAT CONCRETE IS POURED, NOTHING WILL GROW THERE AGAIN. THAT IS THE REAL COST.

ASK OUR SCHOOL BOARD EMPLOYEES IF THEY SEE A BENEFIT TO MORE DEVELOPMENT. THEY ARE ALWAYS IN NEED OF BUS DRIVERS. ASK OUR DEPUTIES IF THEY WANT MORE RESIDENTS WITHOUT MORE SUPPORT, ACCORDING TO THE FDLE DATA IN 2024, THE DEPUTY TO RESIDENT RATIO IN THIS COUNTY IS STILL BELOW THE STATE AVERAGE. THIS IS ONE MORE THING TO CONSIDER BEFORE ADDING MORE RESIDENTS.

ASK THE PARENTS, FAMILY, FRIENDS OF THE 18-YEAR-OLD MAN WHO WAS KILLED IN A TRAFFIC ACCIDENT ON OCTOBER 21ST THIS YEAR. WE TRIED TO TELL THE COMMITTEE A YEAR AGO OF THIS CONCERN. THE RESPONSE, ONE OF THE RESPONSES WAS THE BYPASS WILL ALLEVIATE THE TRAFFIC. THE BYPASS DOES NOT ALLEVIATE THE SCHOOL POPULATION.

WHEN I ASKED GOOGLE TO ADVOCATE FOR REZONING, WHAT DOES GOOGLE SAY? ONE SUGGESTION WAS TO START A PETITION. SO I DID. IF I BRING YOU 100 SIGNATURES OR 1,000 SIGNATURES FROM PEOPLE WHO SHARE MY CONCERNS, SHOULDN'T THOSE IN FAVOR OF REZONING BE ABLE TO BRING 101 OR 1001 SIGNATURES TO SUPPORT T YOUR DECISION TO SAY YES? FINALLY, IF YOU LISTEN TO THE POLITICAL CANDIDATES ACROSS FLORIDAISH MANY ARE SAYING THE STATE IS 15 TO 20 YEARS BEHIND INFRASTRUCTURE. THIS IS PART OF THEIR CAMPAIGN PLATFORMS. SO WHY ARE WE TRYING TO ACCELERATE GROWTH WHEN WE CAN'T SUSTAIN WHAT WE HAVE. LET'S PROTECT WHAT MAKES OUR COMMUNITY STRONG BEFORE IT'S GONE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> THANK YOU, MS. KNOWLES. H.M. KNOWLES AND THEN WE HAVE SUSAN

PASA. >> YOU HANG ON THE BEST YOU CAN.I WILL BE ALL OVER THE PLACE. NO OFFENSE WITH MR. SHILLING. WE GET ALONG AND WE TALK.

>> CAN YOU GIVE US YOUR ADDRESS? >> MR. KNOWLES, I LIVE AT 315A AND KNOWLES ROAD. IT USED TO BE ROUTE 2 BOX 62. BUT THE TRAFFIC SURVEY, I BELIEVE IT COME FROM AN A MARY CAY SALES PERSON BECAUSE THEY GOT LIB STICK ALL OVER THIS PIG. THEY DIDN'T MENTION THE FIRST ACCIDENT OR THE FIRST DEATH THAT HAPPENED AT THE INTERSECTION. THE NUMBERS HE PUT OUT, AT PEAK TIME, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY OFFIA DRIVE THROUGH THAT BUT AT PEAK TIME THAT IS 2.3 CARS A MINUTE. DOWN THAT ROAD GOING SOUTH. FOR TRAFFIC BACKUP A QUARTER OF A MILE, 1320 FEET, THAT TELLS YOU HOW LONG IT TAKES TO GET OUT ON 16. LET'S USE HIS NUMBERS WHICH I THINK IS A LITTLE BIT LATE. THAT TELLS YOU HOW BAD THE INTERSECTION IS. IT BACKS UP TO KNOWLES ROAD ALL THE TIME. LORD HELP IF THEY ARE SELLING ANYTHING AT THE FAIRGROUNDS OR ANYTHING. IT JUST GOES CRAZY IN THE WHOLE PLACE. 315A, WE HAVE A PROPOSED TURN LANE. THEY ARE GOING TO PICK UP THE DEAL, DOING A PRETTY GOOD JOB ON THAT. HOW LONG WAS THAT TURN LANE? TWO AND A HALF CARS? I'M TELLING YOU TRAFFIC BACKS UP QUARTER OF A MILE. GET YOU A COLD BOTTLE OF WATER AND WE WILL GO OUT AND WATCH. I'D LIKE TO BE STRAIGHTENED OUT IF I'M WRONG.

THE NEXT THING, WE DON'T NEED THE HOUSES. WE HAVE PLENTY OF HOUSES THAT'S COMING ONLINE NOW. I GO BY THAT PROPERTY, RIGHT DOWN THE ROAD FROM MINE. I KEEP LOOKING, NOT PEOPLE SLEEPING IN THE TREES OR BUILDING THE TREE HOUSES. IT'S NOT LIGHT. WE NEED TO TAKE CARE OF PEOPLE. THE LAND CAN SIT JUST THE WAY IT IS. THE NEXT THING, IF THE SHERIFF WAS HERE OR THE FIRE CHIEF WAS HERE WOULD THEY SAY WE HAVE PLENTY MORE FUNDING.

MICHELLE COOK COME TO THE CATTLEMAN ASSOCIATION MEETINGALIST NIGHT AND SAID THE AVERAGE AGE OF A DEPUTY IS 22 YEARS OLD. SHE SAID WE GOING TO MAKE MISTAKES. SHE'S EVERY ON IT. I SUPPORT HER. I DON'T KNOW HER THAT WELL BUT BECAUSE SHE COME AND TOLD US, I WORK WITH HER. SO THE AVERAGE AGE IS 22 YEARS OLD. IF YOU GOT TWO DEPUTIES THAT'S 40, YOU KNOW

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THERE'S TWO KIND OF PEOPLE IN THIS ROOM. PEOPLE WHO GOING TO MAKE MONEY ON THE DEAL AND THE REST OF US THAT WILL BE STUCK WITH IT. THERE'S NOT A RIGHT AND WRONG BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE OTHER HOUSES FILLED UP THE NEXT THING, 160 HOUSES AND ONLY 100 STOUNTS. THEY WILL MOVE A BUNCH OF OLD PEOPLE IN EVIDENTLY. I THINK THERE WILL BE MORE OLD STUDENTS MOVING IN. I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY CAN PREDICT WHO IS MOVING IN.

>> THANK YOU. SUSAN AND THEN MARK WILLMAN.

>> HI, I'M SUSAN PASQUALY. I GREW UP IN GREEN COVE SPRINGS. I LIVE IN MAGNOLIA POINT NOW. BOUGHT MY FIRST HOUSE THERE IN 2001. I GREW UP IN A SINGLE WIDE TRAILER, MY PARENTS GRADUATED TO A DOUBLE WIDE ON WILKINS POINT. I HAVE BEEN HERE FOREVER. I HAVE VERY OPPOSED TO THIS. I WENT TO CHARLES D. BENNETT AND ALL OF THE SCHOOLS AROUND HERE. I WOULD LOVE TO HIGHLIGHT BECAUSE MY HUSBAND WORKS IN THE T FINANCIAL SECTOR AND I'M A DOCTOR IN ONCOLOGY BUT I WOULD LIKE TO CONGRATULATE POLTY HOMES FOR THE STOCK, YOUR NET WORTH IS $23.23 BILLION TODAY. I NOTICED IT WAS VERY CONVENIENT ON THE GRAPHIC THERE THAT YOU LEFT OFF HIGHWAY 17 BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE ALL OF THE TRAFFIC REALLY IS. THERE'S NOT A LOT OF JOBS OFF OF STATE ROAD 16. THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE DRIVE ON HIGHWAY 17 TO GO TO JACKSONVILLE, A LOT OF THEM OVER CIVILIAN EMPLOYEES, THAT KIND OF THING. I SEE IT AND I SIT IN IT.

I NOTICED YOU CONVENIENTLY LEFT OFF ALL OF THE TRAFFIC THERE.

ALSO THE BLACK CREEK BRIDGE, I'M FROM HERE. THE ONLY THING THAT'S BIP DONE ON IT IS JUST INSPECTIONS. SOMEHOW THEY GOT A FEW MILLION DOLLARS TO PUT A BIKE PATH ON ONE SIDE OF IT.

THERE'S LITERALLY ONE PERSON A WEEK I SEE WHEN I DRIVE ON THERE. THAT BRIDGE NEEDS TO BE EXPANDED. HIGHWAY 17 HASN'T BEEN EXPANDED. I'M HAPPY YOU ARE WILLING TO CONTRIBUTE TO ADD A DIFFERENT TURN LANE ON 16 AND 315. VERY INTERESTING . MOST OF THE EMPLOYERS ARE NORTH ON HIGHWAY 17 PRIMARILY. I'M STUNNED BECAUSE I GREW UP HERE FOREVER THAT ALL OF THE HOMES ARE BEING BUILT AROUND ROSE MARY HILL DUMP. I REMEMBER WHEN THE LAND WAS REALLY TOXIC. NOW WE HAVE A LOT OF HOMES GOING IN AROUND THERE. IT'S REALLY STUNNING TO ME. I REMEMBER ALL THAT STUFF. I WANT TO CONGRATULATE YOU AGAIN ON THE STOCK PRICE TODAY. I THINK YOU COULD DO A LITTLE MORE TO HELP WITH EXPANDING THE ROADS BESIDES A TURN LANE THERE. THAT'S IT.

I'M ASUPPOSED TO IT AND THAT'S IT.

>> THANK YOU. MARK WALLMAN AND THEN SERENA GOOD EVENING, I LIVE AT 2016 KNOWLES ROAD. I WANT TO TALK THE CONCERNS OF THOSE WHO LIVE AND WORK IN GROWN COVE SPRINGS. THE PACE OF DEVELOPMENT AND THE STRAIN ON THE INFRASTRUCTURE IS PARTICULARLY, NEAR STATE ROAD 16 AND 315 AND 315A, THESE AREAS ARE ALREADY SEEING HEAVY TRAFFIC AND FREQUENT CONGESTION, AND GROWING SAFETY CONCERNS. THE ROADS WERE NEVER DESIGNED TO HANDLE THE VOLUME WE ARE SEEING TODAY LET ALONE THE ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC THAT WOULD COME FROM THESE NEW HOUSING DEVELOPMENTS. AND COMMERCIAL PROJECTS BEING PROPOSED. EVERY MORNING AND EVERY EVENING, WE SEE BOTTLENECKS RECOLLECT LONG WAIT TIMES AT INTERSECTIONS AND NEAR MISSES THAT SHOW US HOW OVER BURDENED THE AREAS AND ROUTES HAVE BECOME. BEYOND TRAFFIC, OUR WATER, SEWER, AND DRAINAGE SYSTEMS IN THIS PART OF TOWN ARE UNDER PRESSURE. WHEN WE ADD MORE DEVELOPMENTS WITHOUT UPGRADING THE INFRASTRUCTURE FIRST, WE RISK FLOODING ISSUES, REDUCED

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>> THANK YOU . SERENA WILLMAN? AND THEN WE HAVE MELISSA SMITH.

>> MY NAME IS SERENA WILLMAN. I LIVE AT 2016. I WANT T TO TAKE A MOMENT TO REMIND US OF THE HISTORY THAT MAKES GREEN COVE SPRINGS SO SPECIAL AND WHY WE NEED TO PROTECT IT FROM OVER DEVELOPMENT. GREEN COVE SPRINGS BEGAN AS A SMALL TOWN ON THE SAINT T JOHNS RIVER. PEOPLE ONCE TRAVELLED HERE TO VISIT OUR SPRING, A NATURAL WONDER THAT GAVE THE TOWN OUR NAME. FOR GENERATIONS, THIS COMMUNITY GROUP SLOWLY AND INTENTIONALLY SHAPED BY HARD WORK, LOCAL PRIDE AND RESPECT FOR NATURE BUT LATELY THAT BALANCE IS AT RISK. DEVELOPERS ARE PUSHING TO BUILD MORE AND MORE HOUSES. WHILE GROWTH MAY SOUND GOOD ON PAPERER, YOU NEED TO THINK OF WHAT IT MEANS FOR OUR TOWN ESPECIALLY FOR OUR SCHOOLS. OUR HIGH SCHOOL IS ALREADY FEELING THE STRAIN. MORE HOUSING MEANS MORE FAMILIES AND MORE FAMILIES MEAN MORE STUDENTS. CLASS SIZES WILL GROW. TEACHERS WILL BE STRETCHED THINNER. RESOURCES THAT ARE ALREADY LIMITED WILL HAVE TO BE DIVIDED FURTHER. WHEN SCHOOLS ARE OVERCROWDED, STUDENTS DON'T GET THE ATTENTION THEY NEED TO SUCCEED.

I NOTICE THAT THEY PLAN ON SENDING SOME OF THE KIDS TO FLOATING ISLAND. WHERE ARE THESE BUSES AT THAT ARE GOING TO BE TAKING THEM THERE? IF THE BUSES ARE TAKING THEM THERE, THAT WILL TAKE A LOT LONGER. STUDENTS WILL BE TAKING HOUR TRIPS TO GET TO SCHOOL INSTEAD OF 10 MINUTES. BEYOND THE SCHOOL WALLS, MORE CONSTRUCTION MEANS MORE TRAFFIC, MORE NOISE AND MORE PRESSURE ON LOCAL ROADS AND UTILITIES. THE SMALL TOWN CHARM THAT MAKES GREEN COVE SPRINGS UNIQUE, THE SAME CHARM THAT DRAWS PEOPLE HERE IN THE FIRST PLACE WILL BEGIN TO DISAPPEAR. IF WE KEEP BUILDING WITHOUT THINKING, WE WILL LOSE THE CHARACTER THAT DEFINES US. GREEN COVE SPRINGS DFL IS NOT JUST A SPOT ON THE MAP. IT IS A PIECE OF FLR HISTORY, A PLACE WHERE PEOPLE KNOW THEIR NEIGHBORS, WHERE PEOPLE GROW UP SUROUNED BY NATURE AND COMMUNITY VALUES. LET'S HONOR THE HISTORY BY PROTECTING IT. LET'S SAY NO TO UNCHECKED DEVELOPMENT AND YES TO SMART, SUSTAINABLE GROWTH, GROWTH THAT STRENGTHENS OUR SCHOOLS NOT OVERWHELMS THEM. TOGETHER WE CAN MAKE A CHANGE AND MAKE SURE THAT GREEN COVE SPRINGS REMAINS A PLACE WHERE OUR HISTORY LIVES ON AND NOT BURIED BENEATH UNDERSUBDIVISION.

>> THANK YOU. SMITH AND THEN WE HAVE PIPPIN.

>> GOOD EVENING, MY NAME IS MELISSA SMITH, 2135 COMPOUND LANE, MIDDLEBURG, FLORIDA. I'M HERE TO GIVE OPPOSITION TO ITEM 2. IT IS PRETTY CLEAR THAT MOST OF THE RESIDENTS OF GREEN COVE SPRINGS, MIDDLEBURG, KEY STONE HEIGHTS HAVE DECIDED TO LIVE IN THE COMMUNITIES TO LIVE IN A MORE RURAL SETTING. MOST OF US HAVE PURCHASED HOMES AND LAND HERE WITH THOSE INTENTIONS. SO HOW IS IT JUST THAT REAL ESTATE DEVELOPERS CAN COME IN AND CHANGE THE ENTIRE FACE OF A COMMUNITY IN THE NAME OF MONEY AND PROPERTY RIGHTS WHEN THE RESIDENTS THAT RESIDE HERE DO NOT WANT IT? ALL THOUGH THE DEVELOPERS AND COMMISSIONER MAY NOT SEE IT THROUGH THE LACK OF AMOUNT OF PEOPLE WHO SOMETIMES DO NOT SHOW UP, PEOPLE HAVE OTHER THINGS GOING ON IRTHEIR LIVES. SOME DON'T EVEN REALIZE WHAT IS HAPPENING UNTIL THE DECISION IS MADE OR SOME MAY NOT KNOW WHAT TO DO. WE CAN'T BE HERE EVERY WEEK TO FIGHT DEVELOPMENT. I ASSURE YOU THAT THE AMOUNT OF OUTCRIES ALL OVER SOCIAL MEDIA, MOST RESIDENTS ARE IN OPPOSITION TO ALL OF THIS OVERDEVELOPMENT. WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT ONE PERSON OR EVEN A FAMILY PURCHASING LAND TO MAYBE BUILD ONE HOME AND KEEP THE SETTING. WE ARE TALKING

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TIME AND CONSIDERATION. >> THANK YOU, MR. SMITH. CHRIS

PIPPIN AND RYAN WORTHINGTON. >> MY NAME IS CHRIS PIPPIN, I LIVE AT PICTURE OF THE PROPERTY UP, MY CONCERN IS THE NORTH END OF THAT PROPERTY. I LIVE RIGHT BESIDE THERE FOR TEN YEARS. THAT PROPERTY, I HAVE ALWAYS TOLD WAS THE OLD DUMP. THEY FILLED IT UP AND MOVED IT DOWN THERE. IF YOU SHOW ME ON THERE, I CAN SHOW YOU THE AREA, THE RIVER, THE CREEK THERE, WHEN IT RAINS AND THE BANK WASHES OUT, IT'S BOTTLES PROBABLY 30 FEET HIGH. ANYONE CAN WALK THROUGH AND SEE THIS. I'M NOT GAINING ANYTHING FROM BEING HERE. I ONLY KNOW OF THAT ONE SECTION IT WAS RIGHT THERE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE CREEK. BUT I WAS ALWAYS TOLD BY KEN AND ANOTHER GUY ON THE PROPERTY THAT YOU HAVE THE RECORDS YOU CAN DPIEND FIND THAT OUT. FENCE AIN'T GOING TO KEEP KIDS OUT.

THERE ARE THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF BOTTLES. DEFINITELY A CONCERN. BUT I SAY NO. I'M TIRED OF SEEING ALL OF THE

DEVELOPMENT AS WELL. >> THANK YOU. RYAN WORTHINGTON AND THEN WE HAVE ROBERT MCCORMICK.

>> THANK YOU. RYAN WORTHINGTON, 5665 SHARON ROAD, GREEN COVE SPRINGS FLR. I'M A CLAY COUNTY NATIVE AND I OPPOSE THE ZONING CHANGE. THERE ARE THOUSANDS OF HOMES APPROVED WITHIN A 3.5 MILE RADIUS. THIS DEVELOPMENT DOES NOT MEET ANY KIND OF NEED OR DEMAND FOR HOUSING. THERE IS NOTICEABLY NONE AT CLAY HIGH THEY WILL SOON HAVE TO BE BUSSED TO FLEMING ISLAND OR FURTHER AWAY. I DRIVE ON 315 TWICE DAILY AND I HAVE NOT NOTICED ANY REDUCTIONS STATED IN THE FIGURES NOTED IN THE PRESENTATION.

HOWEVER THOSE ARE SHORT LIVED AS THE APPROVED HOUSING FOR THE MEGA DEVELOPMENTS IS BUILT, THOSE ALLEGED REDUCTIONS IN TRAFFIC ARE SIMPLY GOING TO EVAPORATE. WE ARE NOT GOING TO SEE -- YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THE TRAFFIC AT BLACK CREEK IS GOING TO GET WORSE. IT LOOKS MORE LIKE BLANDING BOULEVARD THAN GREEN COVE. IT WAS MENTIONED THAT THE DEVELOPMENT AT 315 WOULD HAVE A SERVICE LEVEL OF D WHEN IT COMES TO TRAFFIC. THAT MEANS THE ROADWAYS ARE OPERATING AT NEAR CAPACITY. IF YOULIC AT THE DEFINITION, IT HAS A NUMBER OF COMPLICATIONS TO DRIVERS. IT'S NOT A POSITIVE THING. I HAVE STATED THAT THE DEVELOPMENT IS UNNECESSARY. WE HAVE ALREADY LOST MUCH OF OUR CHARACTERISTICS OF CLAY COUNTY TO URBAN SPRAWL. THAT MEANS OLD LANDMARKS, WORLD WAR II RUNWAYS, YOU NAME IT. THE URBAN SPRAWL IS ACROSS THE COUNTY AND IT LOOKS COOKIE CUTTER. WE ARE ERASING EVERY

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ROOM. PLEASE VOTE NO. THANK YOU. >> MR. MCCORMICK, DID YOU WISH TO SPEAK OR JUST WISHING YOUR VOTE? OKAY, THANK YOU. HE IS SAYING HE'S AGAINST IT.

>> THANK YOU MS. MCCORMICK. MEGAN RHODES AND THEN HELENA CORNEAL. THANK YOU MS. RHODES. AND HELENA?

>> MY NAME IS HELENA CORMERE, WOOD BRIDGE CROSSING, GREEN COVE SPRINGS FLORIDA. I WANT T TO SAY THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING YOU ARE DOING AND THE DECISIONS YOU MAKE. I KNOW IT IS NOT EASY SITTING IN THERE AND TRYING TO MAKE THESE DECISIONS. THERE IS A LOT OF INFORMATION PRESENTED TONIGHT. YOU KNOW WE CAN CONTINUE REITERATING MANY DIFFERENT ASPECTS, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT T I HAVE HEARD THAT I DON'T KNOW IF Y'ALL KNOW. I LIVE OFF OF SAND RIDGE. SOME OF THE CONSTRUCTION WITH THE TOLL ROAD AND THE RETENTION PONDS THAT ARE OUT THERE HAVE CAUSED ONE OF THE HOME OWNERS THAT I DO KNOW THAT HAD A BLUE BERRY FARM AND HAD A POND IN HIS YARD THAT WOULD HELP WATER HIS BLUE BERRY AREA. SO YOU WOULD SEE THE YOU PICK BLUE BERRIES.

HE SHARED WITH ME, HE'S NOT HAD THE CROPS HE HAS HAD THE PAST FEW YEARS. IF ANYBODY HAS DRIVEN BY THE AREA, YOU DON'T SEE THE SIGN, YOU PICK BLUE BERRIES. YOU KNOW, AS I HEAR THE DIFFERENT RESIDENTS THAT DO HAVE THE FARMLANDS AND HAVE THE CROPS AND DO HAVE THE AGRICULTURE, AND YOU HEAR THE OTHER HOME OWNERS SAY IT IS NOT GOING TO AFFECT THEM, I PROMISE YOU, YOU CAN'T GUARANTEE THAT. THIS IS A HARD ONE TO UNDERSTAND OR EVEN PUT IN PLAY. YOU WON'T KNOW THE EFFECTS OF THIS UNTIL AFTER. YOU KNOW, I RESPECT DEVELOPMENT. I RESPECT COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT.

I RESPECT DOING THINGS PROPERLY AND DOING THINGS WITH AS MUCH EDUCATION AS YOU CAN DO IN TAKING ALL OF THESE INTO COUNT AS YOU ARE MAKING THESE DECISIONS. I GET IT, IT'S DIFFICULT. BUT IT REALLY DOES HAVE OTHER EFFECTS THAT WE MAY NOT TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION AND SO I WILL CONTINUE PRAYING FOR Y'ALL AS YOU MAKE THESE DECISIONS. I DO UNDERSTAND THAT THESE HOME OWNERS HAVE A RIGHT TO SELL THEIR PROPERTY AND BE ABLE TO DO THE THINGS THEY ARE DOING BUT IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THE BUYER IS GOING TO BE SOMEONE WHO WILL CHANGE THE REZONING AND AFFECT THE OTHER RESIDENTS THAT HAVE A RIGHT TO AGRICULTURE.

AGAIN, I WILL PRAY FOR Y'ALL AND THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU DO.

>> THANK YOU THAT'S ALL THE CARDS I HAVE. DOES ANYONE WANT TO SPEAK ON THIS AGENDA ITEM? YES, SIR?

>> DID YOU FILL OUT A CARD? >> NO, I DID NOT. I CAME IN LATE. THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I HAVE BEEN AT THE MEETING. I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY I'M RUSSELL SMITH.

>> HOLD ON, DID YOU TAKE THE OATH?

>> YES. >> OKAY.

>> 3873 COUNTY ROAD 315A. WE BORDER MR. KNOWLES FARM AND I CAN SAY THAT I WAS RAISED HERE MY WHOLE LIFE. I HAVE SEEN THIS COUNTY GO FROM A GREAT PLACE TO BE RAISED, A LOT OF FRIENDS, THE OLDER PEOPLE, HALL, MARIE, PEOPLE WHO RUN THE COUNTY YEARS AND YEARS AGO WERE GREAT PEOPLE. THEY SUPRESSED GROWTH IN CLAY COUNTY. I HAVE TO SAY MY MOTHER AND FATHER ARE STILL ALIVE. THEY LIVE ON THE FARM WITH US. YOU KNOW MY SISTERS, WE RAISE ANIMALS THERE. MOST OF THE PEOPLE AROUND US RAISE ANIMALS.

EVERYBODY IS PRETTY PRIVATE PEOPLE THERE. THEY ARE ALL REAL GOOD PEOPLE. THEY ARE CONCERNED WITH THE DUMP. I CLEAN UP BAGS AND BAGS OF GARBAGE EVERY WEEK OUT IBFRONT OF THE HOUSE. IT WAS NEVER LIKE THAT WHEN I WAS A KID. THIS TIME OF YEAR, YOU WOULD SEE YOUR NEIGHBOR GOING BY WITH A SHOT GUN AN HIS BACK AND

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>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> BRIAN MARCI, 1699 SHED ROAD.

MY BROTHER IN LAW, SISTER IN LAW ARE STILL HAVING ISSUES WITH FLOODING DUE TO MAG WEST. SO TO TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION, THAT WAS DONE YEARS AGO. MY BROTHER IN LAW'S POND WAS CRYSTAL CLEAR, SPRING FED, AND NOW IT'S JUNK. TAKE THAT T INTO CONSIDERATION DUE TO MY FELLOW COMMISSIONER OR C.A.C. MEMBERS.

ALSO, I KNOW SOME OF YOU ARE SERVICE MEMBERS UP THERE. TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THE SEAL RIGHT HERE. A YOUNG MAN LOOKED AT OUR SEAL AND SAID IF WE DON'T PROTECT WHAT WE HAVE NOW, THAT SEAL IS GOING TO BE TURNED INTO COOKIE CUTTER HOMES AND U-HAULS. IT'S NOT GOING TO BE THE RIVER AND TREES. WE GOT TO PROTECT WHAT WE HAVE NOW. IF WE DON'T, WE ARE NOT GOING TO BE GREEN COVE SPRINGS. WE WILL NOT BE CLAY COUNTY. WHAT WE ARE ALL TRYING TO BE HERE. I GET WHAT THEY ARE TRYING TO DO BUT SOMEONE SAID IF WE CAN DO FIVE ACRES PER HOUSE, THAT'S WHAT WE SHOULD DO. THAT'S WHAT WE TRY TO DO. THE PROPERTY NEXT DOOR TO US, WE STOPPED THEM TWICE. NOT JUST PUTTING IN A FENCE.

>> THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK THAT HAS NOT? SEEING NONE, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

AND WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO SPEAK?

>> YES, THANK YOU. CAN YOU ALL HEAR ME OKAY? I WOULD LIKE TO FIRST SAY THANK YOU TO EVERYBODY FOR BEING HERE. THIS IS CONTINUED TURNOUT FOR THE COMMUNITY. OBVIOUSLY A DIFFERENCE OF OPINION ON HOW THIS SHOULD PROGRESS BUT I THINK THE CONVERSATION IS IMPORTANT. YOU ALL BEING HERE, I APPRECIATE IT. I WOULD LIKE TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE TRAFFIC ACCIDENT AND UNDERSTAND THAT IS A SENSITIVE SUBJECT. WE ARE TRYING TO PROCEED LOOKING AT THE DATA AS RESPECTFULLY AS WE CAN. I WILL TRY TO WORK THROUGH A LIAL BIT OF WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT HERE.

FIRST AND FOREMOST, IS IT POSSIBLE TO PUT THE SLIDE BACK UP ON THE SCREEN? THAT'S OKAY IF NOT. I THINK THE POINT I'M TRYING TO MAKE IS WE ARE NOT HERE TO ARGUE THE EXPERIENCES OF WHAT THE AREA HAS BEEN IN THE PAST. I DO THINK HOWEVER, RESPECTFULLY THAT THERE IS A REALITY THAT IS COMING TO THE AREA THAT'S BEEN IN THE MAKING FOR ABOUT 20 YEARS WITH THE EXPRESSWAY THAT HAS OPENED UP. THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF REFERENCE TO PETERS CREEK BUSINESS MARK AND THE P.U.D.

ACROSS THE STREET, AND ACROSS 315 ARE 217 UNITS APPROVED. THE P.U.D. WAS APPROVED IN 2006 AND THE CONDITIONS FOR IT TO BEGIN WERE THE OPENING OF THE COAST EXPRESSWAY AND CATHEDRAL OAKS.

YOU HAD THIRD HAD COUNTY ENGINEER TALK TO YOU ABOUT HOW THE BUSINESS PLAN COULD BE MOVING FORWARD IN THE NEAR FUTURE. BETWEEN THAT AND ULTIMATELY SARASOTA SPRINGS TO OUR NORTH, YOU KNOW LOTS OF COMMERCIAL OPPORTUNITIES AND JOBS COMING JUST TO THE WEST OF THIS PROJECT AND ADDITIONAL ENTITLED RESIDENTIAL, I THINK IT IS CLEAR FROM A PLANNING PERSPECTIVE THAT THIS AREA HAS DOTY NOTED IN THE STAFF REPORT IS TRANSITIONING FROM A RURAL AREA TO A SUBURBAN AREA. I WOULD NOTE THE PROPERTIES ADJACENT TO THE PROPERTIES WE ARE DISCUSSING

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THAT IS THE PROCESS WE ARE TO FOLLOW. IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING WE HAVE DONE THAT TO THE BEST OF OUR ABILITIES. AS FAR AS ATTENDED SCHOOLS WHERE STUDENTS WOULD GO FOR THIS PROJECT, WE DO HAVE RESERVATIONS AT CERTAIN SCHOOLS BUT IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING AS SEATS CHANGE AND THERE ARE IMPROVEMENTS MADE, THOSE THINGS COULD SHIFT DEPENDING ON WHEN THE STUDENTS ARE COMING TO THE SCHOOL SYSTEM. I BELIEVE MR. BEM CAN SPEAK TO THAT. ONE OTHER THING I WILL NOTE AND I WILL TURN IT OVER TO BILL TO ADDRESS TRAFFIC, THERE IS A LOT OF TALK ABOUT LARGER PROJECTS. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT 160 UNITS. IN THE SAME VEIN AS LARGER PROJECTS, THESE ARE NOT PROJECTS THAT COME ONLINE OVERNIGHT. SARASOTA SPRINGS IS NOT DROPPING THEIR 4,000 UNITS ON THE GROUND TOMORROW MORNING. THESE ARE PROJECTS THAT SLOWLY COME ONLINE. THE LARGER ONES THAT ARE IN THE P.U.D.S HAVE OBLIGATIONS TO CONTRIBUTE INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS AS THEY COME ONLINE. THEY ARE OBLIGATED TO PAY MOBILITY FEES AS WE ARE TO MITIGATE EFFECTS OF TRAFFICS ON ROADWAYS AS WELL AS IMPACT FEES TO HELP LAW ENFORCEMENT, FIRE, ALL OF WHAT YOU HEARD TODAY. RESPECTFULLY, WE DO HEAR THE COMMUNITY COMMENTARY. WE PUT OUR BEST FOOT FORWARD TRYING TO MEET IN THE MIDDLE. WE HAVE INCREASED BUFFERS, WE HAVE REDUCED UNIT COUNT BY 25%. WE HAVE REDUCED THE OVERALL DENSITY, REDUCED PARK SPACE. ADDITIONALLY, WE FEEL WE ARE PUTTING OUR BEST FOOT FORWARD AND KEEPING THE DIALOGUE OPEN TO RESIDENTS. SO BILL, I WILL TURN IT OVER TO YOU.

>> I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU. WE NEVER ADDRESSED THE RB QUESTION?

>> MARK, DO YOU WANT TO ANSWER THAT.

>> I LOOKED IT UP. >> YES, SIR, YOU WILL NOTICE THAT IT SAYS 15 FEET IN THE REAR WE WOULD HAPPILY CHANGE THAT BUT

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ARE HAPPY TO MAKE THAT CHANGE. >> I MAKE ONE COMMENT ABOUT THAT. ASLONG AS THE HOME OWNERS ARE PAINFULLY AWARE, THEY CAN'T

TOUCH THAT BUFFER. >> IT WOULD BE A SEPARATE TRACT.

>> YOU KNOW, THEY SEE IT, THEY WANT TO CLEAR THE UNDERBRUSH.

THEY WANT TO DO SOMETHING. THE OTHER THING IS SIDE SETBACKS AT 5, IT'S 7.5. AND THE MAXIMUM LOT COVERAGE IS 60%. AND IN RB IT'S 30%. SO YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE A LOT BIGGER HOUSES ON THESE LOTS. SO JUST, I'M NOT POSITIVE ON EVERYTHING YOU SAID THERE, I WANT TO GO OVER WHAT WE ARE DOING HERE. THE PLAN IS 60 FOOT WIDE LOTS WHICH WE DID INCREASE LAST TIME BETWEEN THE 40S, 50S, AND 0S. TYPICALLY YOU WOULD HAVE A WIDTH OF 120, OR 130 BUT THE HOUSE THAT WE WOULD OFFER IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD WOULD PROBABLY LIKELY BE A COUPLE OF OPTIONS PUT RANGING WIDTH WISE FROM 40 FOOT WIDE TO 50-FOOT WIDE PRODUCT WHICH IS WHERE THE 5 FOOT SETBACK WOULD COME IN. IN TERMS OF DEPTH, THE PAD TYPICALLY, WE WOULD GO IN AND GRADE ABOUT A MAXIMUM OF 70 FEET. THAT WOULD ENCOMPASS THE HOUSE AND ANY OTHER OPTIONS.

REALISTICALLY, NOT JUST LOOKING AT THIS FROM A TEXT BOOK PEREXPECTATIVE IF YOU WILL, REALISTICALLY, THE HOUSE YOU WILL SEE OUT THERE IS SOMEWHERE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF 40 FOOT BY 70 FOOT DEEP HOME OR 50-FOOT BY 70 FOOT DEEP HOME. THAT'S THEBUST WAY I COULD ANSWER YOUR QUESTION.

>> THAT'S FINE. >> I WILL TAKE ONE SECOND BEFORE GOING BACK TO TRAFFIC TO TALK ABOUT DRAINAGE. THERE WERE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS THAT I WANT TO SHARE THE LOGIC ON DRAINAGE.

WE ARE NOT TO THE POINT WHERE WE HAVE FULL CIVIL ENGINEERING PLANS COMPLETED AND READY TO GO BUT WE HAVE BEEN LOOKING AT THE DRAINAGE PATTERNS. I KNOW FROM WHAT WE HAVE HEARD FROM THE NEIGHBORS TO THE EAST, WE HAVE CHANGED OUR APPROACH TO STORMWATER. A COUPLE OF THINGS TO SHARE ON STORMWATER. WE ARE ADDRESSING STORMWATER WITH ON SITE PONDS. WE HAD FEWER LARGER PONDS AND NOW WE HAVE GONE TO MORE DISTRIBUTED PONDS. WE NO LONGER HAVE THE LONG PONDS RUNNING ON THE EASTERN BOUNDARY ADJACENT TO THE GOOD RIDGES IN PART BECAUSE OF THE CONCERNS WE HEARD. WE LISTENED TO THOSE CONCERNS, DISTRIBUTED THE PONDS.

THIS WILL BE REQUIRED TO MEET NEW STORMWATER REGULATIONS WITH THE MANAGEMENT DISTRICT THAT WILL INCLUDE ADDRESSING NUTRIENT LOADING IN THIS WATER. SO A COUPLE OF THINGS. THERE IS A DITCH THAT RUNS FROM KNOWLES ROAD ACROSS PORTIONS, EASTERN PORTIONS OF THE PROPERTY ON THE EDGE AND THEN ONTO THE GOOD RIDGE PROPERTY. WE ARE ANTICIPATING RIGHT NOW THAT . ON THE EAST SIDE RIGHT NEGS TO THE ROAD, WE ARE ANTICIPATING WE ARE GOING TO BE ROUTING THE WATER TO THAT POND AND THAT WILL BE THE OUTFALL. RIGHT NOW WE BELIEVE WE WILL BE TAKING WATER AWAY FROM THE DITCH THAT RUNS ACROSS THE GOOD RIDGE PROPERTY. WE BELIEVE

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RIGHT TURNING VEHICLES WHEN THIS IS CONSTRUCTED WILL NOT HAVE TO WAIT ON THE LEFT TURNING VEHICLE TO TURN LEFT BEFORE THEY CAN MAKE A RIGHT. IT WILL BE A VERY SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENT . I THINK I HAD ONE OTHER ITEM. YES, I KNOW THIS WAS STATED BY MR. BENNETT BUT I WANTED TO MAKE IT CLEAR THAT THE SCHOOL CONCURRENCY EVALUATION AND LETTER THAT WAS ISSUED FOR THIS PROJECT IS NOT BASED ON CHARTER SCHOOLS AND IS NOT BASED ON ONLINE SCHOOLS. SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IS CLEAR. WE DO HAVE A RESERVATION FOR THOSE STUDENTS. SO THE NOTION THAT SCHOOLS ARE OVERCROWDED AND THERE ISN'T SPACE FOR THE STUDENTS, WE DO HAVE A RESERVATION AND WE DO HAVE SPACE FOR THESE STUDENTS. AND THE TEAM IS AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS AND LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR DISCUSSION.

>> QUESTIONS FOR APPLICANT? >> THANK YOU SIR. I WILL BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMISSION FOR DISCUSSION..

>> I HAVE SOME COMMENTS. >> I HAVE ONE QUESTION FIRST.

SORRY. PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED. RECOGNIZING WE HAVE SARASOTA SPRINGS COMING ONLINE AND ALL THESE OTHER DEVELOPMENTS COMING UP, NOW THE RESERVATION THEY HAVE FOR THE SCHOOLS, IS THAT IN CONCRETE OR OTHER DEVELOPMENTS COMING ONLINE? I GUESS WHAT I'M GETTING AT IS WOULD THE RESERVATION CHANGE OR GO AWAY OR

BE MODIFIED OR IT IS WHAT IT IS? >> THE RESERVATION IS JUST THAT.

IT IS A RESERVATION FOR THE SEATS. SO THIS PARTICULAR DOCUMENT IS RECORDED IN THE SYSTEM FOR THE NUMBER OF SEATS THAT THE PROJECT WOULD DEVELOP BASED ON OUR STUDENT GENERATION RATES. SO AS LONG AS THEY GO TO FINAL PLAT AND START DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THE -- BEFORE THE EXPIRATION PERIOD, THEN THEY HAVE RES ERVATIONS. THE BUILDING CONTINUES OR BEGINS, MY JOB IS TO TRACK THE BUILDING OF THE HOMES AND THEN SUBTRACT AS THE NUMBER OF HOMES COME ONLINE AND STUDENTS ARE GENERATED, I SUBTRACT THOSE FROM THE RESERVATION. IT'S AN ONGOING PROCESS. THIS PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT AS WELL AS SARASOTA AND ANY OTHER DEVELOPMENT IN CLAY COUNTY FOLLOWS THAT SAME

PROCESS. >> THANK YOU.

>> I HOPIA GUYS AREN'T READY TO GO HOME YET. I'M PROBABLY GOING -- I'M JUST GOING TO GO OVER A WHOLE BUNCH OF STUFF. IT IS ALONG PUBLIC HEARING. I APPRECIATE PEOPLE BEING HERE. I DO LISTEN TO EVERYTHING. I APPRECIATE THE PROFESSIONALISM OF THE TEAM FROM POLTY. I'M GOING TO GIVE THE BOARD HERE MY THOUGHTS ON SOME OF THIS STUFF THAT WE HEARD TONIGHT. I'M

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BUT I THINK A MUCH LOWER -- KEEP IN MIND THAT YOU CAN'T STOP THIS PROPERTY FROM BEING DEVELOPED. BUT YOU CAN HAVE SOME INPUT T ON HOW IT IS DEVELOPED. I BELIEVE THAT IT SHOULD BE A BETTER TRANSITION. ONE OF THOSE, I THINK IT IS SARASOTA SPRINGS IS TALKING ABOUT LARGER LOTS WITH AGRICULTURAL, THAT KIND OF THING. SOMETHING LIKE THAT IS MORE APPROPRIATE AS A TRANSITION FROM KNOWLES ROAD TO WHAT YOU HAVE A LITTLE NORTH OF THAT. YOU HAVE 315. ACROSS THAT YOU WILL HAVE DEVELOPMENT. 315 ACTS AS KIND OF A BORDER. SAME THING WITH STATE ROAD 16. SO I TOOK A LOT OF NOTES DURING THAT. MY MAIN THING IS I DON'T THINK THIS IS A PROPER TRANSITION. THIS PROPERTY COULD EASILY BE DEVELOPED AT A LOWER DENSITY. I THINK IT WOULD BE JUST AS PROFITABLE. I HAVE SEEN EVIDENCE OF THAT IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE A DEVELOPER WANTED TO JAM HOUSES IN. THEY WERE NOT ALLOWED TO DO THAT. AND THE DEVELOPER ACTUALLY MADE MORE MONEY WITH LESS HOUSES. SO IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT T THE MONEY. IT IS ABOUT A STATE OF MIND ABOUT DOING THAT. SOMEBODY SAID, YOU KNOW, WE SAW THIS A YEAR AGO AND I DID NOT LIKE IT THEN. I HAVEN'T SEEN A LOT OF CHANGE FROM LAST YEAR TO THIS YEAR. SOMEBODY MADE THE COMMENT THAT A BAD PROPOSAL, YOU CAN'T MAKE IT LESS BAD. I WOULD TAKE MORE OF THE OPINION THAT WHEN YOU HAVE A PROPOSAL, IF YOU DON'T THINK IT'S A GOOD PROPOSAL, YOU HAVE TO SAY NO.

YOU CAN TELL SOMEONE NO 100 TIMES BUT YOU ONLY GET TO TELL

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AGAIN, SUBJECTIVE. ONE OF THE QUESTION IS FAILS TO ADEQUATELY PROTECT AND CONSERVE NATURAL RESOURCES. STAFF FUTURE DEVELOPMENT OF PARCELS WILL BE REQUIRED TO ENSURE NO NATURAL SERVICES ARE IMPACTED BY THE DEVELOPMENT. HOW? YOU KNOW, THAT'S A STATEMENT BUT HOW ARE YOU GOING TO MAKE THEM KEEP ALL THE TREES? NO, THEY WILL CAREER CUT THAT LAND. THEY WILL BRING IN A LOT OF FILL AND BUILD IT UP TO BUILD THE HOUSES. SO IDISAGREE WITH THAT STATEMENT. FAILS TO ADEQUATELY PROTECT ADJACENT AGRICULTURAL AREAS. STAFF SAYS THERE IS NO IMMEDIATE AGRICULTURAL AREAS. I HEARD AT LEAST TEN PEOPLE TALK ABOUT USING THEIR PROPERTY FOR AGRICULTURAL PURPOSES. I'M NOT EVEN SURE THAT IS A CORRECT STATEMENT. ALREADY MENTIONED ABOUT THE TRANSITION AREAS. AND ONE THAT IS KIND OF MENTIONED VAGUELY, HAVE CONDITIONS CHANGED SINCE THE PROPERTY WAS ORIGINALLY ZONED? YES. HAVE THEY CHANGED TO THE POINT THAT WE NEED THIS PROJECT? I THINK NO. THE STAFF RESPONSE WAS THE REZONING APPLICATION IN CHANGING HOUSING AND MARKET CONDITIONS WHICH HAVE CREATED GREATER DEMAND FOR RESIDENTIAL HOME SITES THAT CAN BE PROVIDED UNDER THE PRESENT ZONING DESIGNATIONS.

THERE ARE 40,000, 40,000 APPROVED HOMES WITHIN JUST A FEW MILES OF THIS SITE, 40,000. TO SAY THERE IS NOT ENOUGH HOME SITES DOESN'T JIBE WITH REALITY. AND IT SAYS WHETHER THE AFFECTED PROPERTY CAN BE USED IN ACCORDANCE WITH EXISTING ZONING, IT CAN BE USED FOR ALLOWED REDSDENTIAL USE BUT THE ALLOWED DENSITY LIMIT IS NOLONGERER THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE. I WILL POINT OUT THAT ACCORDING TO ONE OF THE PROFESSORS AT THE UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA WHO TAUGHT HE A COURSE ON PLANNING MADE IT CRYSTAL CLEAR HIGHEST AND BEST USE IS A REAL ESTATE TERM AND NOT A PLANNING TERM. BEST USE OF THE LAND . I THINK THAT'S ALL

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THIS PROJECT, I'M SORRY. >> OTHER COMMENTS?

>> I CAME DONE HERE JUST TO LISTEN TO RALPH. SO MR. KNOWLES ASKED FOR SOME FORGIVENESS IN THE SENSE OF WANDERING AROUND.

BEAR WITH ME, I TOO TOOK A LOT OF NOTES DURING THIS. AND SO I'M GOING TO TRY TO COVER AS MANY OF THOSE AS POSSIBLE AS QUICKLY AS I CAN. I ALWAYS WANT TO START WHEN THE ROOM IS FULL LIKE THIS TO THANK YOU FOR SHOWING UP. SOM OF YOU HAVE BEEN HERE BEFORE AND HEARD ME SAY I STARTED OUT THERE CONCERNED ABOUT MY COMMUNITY. I GOT INVOLVED IN THE C.A.C. GOOD FOR YOU FOR BEING HERE. MOST ESPECIALLY TO THE YOUNG LADY I DON'T WANT TO ASSUME THAT SHE IS A HIGH SCHOOL STUDENT BUT SHE CAME ACROSS AS A HIGH SCHOOL OR COLLEGE STUDENT, GOD BLESS YOU.

YOU ARE THE FUTURE, I KNOW THAT SOUNDS CORNY AND ALL THAT BUT GOOD FOR YOU FOR BEING HERE. I HOPE THAT YEARS IN THE FUTURE, YOU WILL CONTINUE YOUR ADVOCACY. AND BE PREPARED TO BE FRUSTRATED. YOU ARE NOT GOING TO GET URWAY SO TO SPEAK. SOMEBODY MENTIONED SOMETHING ABOUT THE PURPOSE OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN I THINK WAS THE PHRASE THEY USED. LET ME READ WHAT THE PURPOSE OF THE FUTURE LAND USE ELEMENT IS, BEAR WITH ME AND I WILL READ A COUPLE OF SENTENCES. THE PURPOSE OF THE FUTURE LAND USE ELEMENT IS TO EXAMINE THE FUTURE LAND USES AND TO DETERMINE PRESENT AND FUTURE LAND USE NEEDS SUCH AS THE AMOUNT OF LAND NEEDED TO ACCOMMODATE FUTURE GROWTH AND DEVELOPMENT. GROWTH CAN TAKE MANY FORMS, MORE PEOPLE, MORE JOB OPPORTUNITIES, HIGHER STANDARDS OF LIVING, TRAFFIC, AND SO ON. THIS ELEMENT IS CONCERNED WITH CLAY COUNTY SPATIAL ROAD. THAT IS THE INCREASED USE AND INCREASED USE OF LAND FOR URBAN ACTIVITIES. THAT IS THE PURPOSE OF A COMP PLAN. IT IS NOT A STATIC PLAN THAT PUTS ENPLACE AND NEV CHANGED. IT HAS TO EVOLVE JUST LIKE THE POPULATION. THIS IS ANOTHER BROKEN RECORD FOR ME. POPULATION. A GENTLEMAN MENTIONED HE WAS HERE IN 1965 OR SOMETHING ON THOSE LINES. ANYONE WANT TO THINK FOR ONE SECOND WHAT T THE POPULATION IN CLAY

COUNTY WAS IN 1965? >> ABOUT 25,000.

>> THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT IT WAS. TODAY IT IS MORE LIKE 245,000.

THAT IS A TEN FOLD INCREASE. DO YOU THINK THE PEOPLE IN 1965 HAD ANY IDEA THAT THIS IS THE KIND OF GROWTH WE COULD EXPECT? JUST TO MOVE FORWARD FROM 65 TO 75, IT DOUBLED, FROM 25,000 TO 50,000. IN 2000, IT WAS 140,000 PEOPLEAL 2020, JUST FIVE YEARS AGO, IT WAS 220,000. NOW WE ARE AT 245,000, PROJECTED TO BE 285,000 IN ANOTHER 20 YEARS. SO THE IDEA THAT WE DON'T NEED THIS NUMBER OF PEOPLE, WE HAVE THIS REALITY. LET ME SAY TOO. I NEVER WANT TO COME ACROSS AS DISRESPECTFUL OR PATRONIZING.

I'M AN OPEN BOOK. I FED MY FAMILY IN THE DEVELOPMENT INDUSTRY, STARTED OUT AS A CARPENTER AND MOVED THROUGH THE INDUSTRY. I TAKE A LOT OF PRIDE IN THE BEING IN THE DEVELOPMENT INDUSTRY. SOMETIMES THE COMMENTS STRIKE A NERVE. I DON'T HEAR PEOPLE COMPLAINING ABOUT THE SUCCESS OF GROCERY STORES WHILE THEY ARE BUYING GROCERIES. THEY COMPLIN ABOUT DEVELOPERS MAKING MONEY BY PUTTING A ROOF OVER THEIR HEAD. I DON'T WANT TO COME ACROSS AS DISRESPECTFUL BUT THERE IS A REALITY. WE HAVE GONE FROM 25,000 TO 245,000. IA ARE GOING TO HAVE HIGH DENSITY OR ONE FOR FIVE ACRES WHICH IS SPRAWL. WHICH ONE DO YOU WANT? YOU CAN'T HAVE ONE, YOU HAVE A MIX. YOU CAN'T AFFORD TO PUT

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I'M HOPPING AROUND. MOURN THE LOSS OF WHAT WAS. WE ARE MOURNING THE LOSS OF THE SPACE FOR OUR ANIMALS, NEIGHBORS, CHICKENS, PIGS, I HAVE HAD ALL OF IT. THAT'S THE EEMOTIONAL PART OF IT. WE HAVE TO ENTER INTO THE LOGIC. YOU GET A RUB OF EMOTION AND LOGIC. THAT'S WHERE WE ARE AT. THERE IS NO WRITE OR WRONG. NOBODY IS RIGHT OR WRONG. THIS IS THE REALITY OF THE SITUATION. THESE PEOPLE HAVE A PIECE OF PROPERTY, TRYING TO SELL IT. SOMEONE WANTS TO BUY IT AND TURN IT INTO A SUBDIVISION.

IDISDEGREE ON IN TRANSITION PIECE. A LUT OF THEM ARE 40 FOOT LOTS. THIS IS 60 FOOT LOTS. IT'S INSIDE THE BELTWAY. THE BELTWAY, MULTIBILLION DOLLAR INVESTMENT. THEY ARE CLEAR CUTTING. THAT'S WHY THEY PUT THE INTERSTATE. HERE IT IS. WE HAVE TO LIVE WITH IT LIKE IT OR NOT. NOBODY THROWS UP A SUBDIVISION FOR THE HECK OF IT. THEY HAVE DONE RESEARCH AND THEY KNETHEY WILL SELL THE HOUSES. PICK YOUR BUILDER, NOBODY BUILDS WITHOUT THINKING. THERE IS A LOT OF THOUGHT THAT GOES INTO IT.

THE CONCERN OF WATER, SKIP TRAFFIC, EVERYONE ABKNOWLEDGES TRAFFIC IS A HOT MESS. THEY ARE DOING THE BEST THEY CAN. I LOVE THE IDEA OF A TURN LANE. IS IT ENOUGH? PROBABLY NOT. I DEAL WITH THAT AT 218. BACK UP, LIGHT TURNS, YOU MOVE UP AND FINE ALYOU GET WHERE YOU ARE GOING. TRAFFIC IS WHAT IT IS. WATER IS ONE OF THE MOST REGULATED RESOURCES IN THE N SATE. THE ENGINEERS, WHEN YOU PUT IN A DEVELOPMENT, YOU CAN'T MOVE THE WATER SOME PLACE ELSE. IT HAS TO BE MANAGED ON THAT PROPERTY. DO MISTAKE HAPPEN? SOMEBODY WILL GET IN TROUBLE. YOU DON'T WANT A DRAINAGE PROBLEM AND HAVE THE COUNTY OR STATE ON YOUR CASE ABOUT IT. I NEVER WANT TO BE DISMISSIVE BUT WE HAVE TO IN MY OPINION, YOU HAVE TO BALANCE THE NEED WITH WHAT'S HAPPENING.

IT'S A GROWING AREA. CONSERVATION, I DID A LITTLE SEARCHING. 59,000 ACRES OF CONSERVATION LAND IN CLAY COUNTY, OUT OF 387,000 ACRES OF LAND. THAT'S APPROXIMATELY 15% OF CLAY COUNTY IN SOME LEVEL OF CONSERVEIVATION. I WILL LET THAT GO. I WILL COME BACK TO THAT IN A SECOND. WE DON'T NEED THE HOUSES. I LOOKED THAT UP AS WELL. YOU CAN GO TO THE WEBSITE AND CURRENTLY CLAY COUNTY HAS A 1200 HOME INVENTORY WHICH IS ABOUT 5.3 MONTHS OF INVENTORY. HEALTHY INVENTORY IS CONSIDERED 5 TO 6 MONTHS. SO WE ARE RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF IT. THESE COMPANIES DON'T COME INVEST THIS MONEY AND PLAN TO LOSE MONEY. THEY KNOW SOMEONE WILL COME BUY THE HOUSES.

AFFORDABILITY BECOMES ANESHUE. THESE NUMBERS WILL SURPRISE YOU.

THE MEDIAN PRICE IN CLAY COUNTY, RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE, $362,000 TO BUY A HOME IN CLAY COUNTY RIGHT NOW. I BUILT A HOME 6 OR 8 YEARS AGO AND PAID A LOTLESS THAN THAT. IT HAS GONE ON. JUST WANT TO SHARE THAT NUMBER WITH YOU. I DID ALSO THINK THAT IT WAS A GOOD COMMENT THAT THIS DEVELOPMENT THOUGH IT IS GOING TO BE, IF IT HAPPENS AND WE ARE JUST ADVISING THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS. WE HAVEN'T TAKEN OUR VOTE AS TO WHAT WE WILL ADVISE AS A BODY. THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS IS THE ONE WHO HAS THE PLEASURE OF MAKING THE DECISION AND YOU NEED TO PRAY FOR THEM TOO. IF THIS THING

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THAT. >> ANY OTHER COMMENTS?

DISCUSSION? >> I'LL JUMP IN. I'LL JUST TOUCH ON A COUPLE OF THINGS. I WON'T BE AS LONG WINDED AS MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS. BUT I'M A BIG FAN OF PROPERTY OWNERS RIGHTS. AND CERTAINLY THE EXISTING PROPERTY OWNERS AND THE NEIGHBORS HAVE RIGHTS. THE LAND OWNER WHO OWNS THE PROPERTY HAS RIGHTS. THE FUTURE LAND OWNER WILL ADVENTURELY HAVE RIGHTS IF THEY BUY THE PROPERTY. THAT'S PART OF WHAT MAKES AMERICA AMERICA. FOLKS BEING ABLE TO USE THE PROPERTY AS LONG AS THEY ARE NOT AFFECTING THEIR NEIGHBORS. WITH THAT CAVEAT, THEY OUGHT TO BE ABLE TO USE THE PROPERTY AS THEY SEE FIT. I JUST WANT TO FOCUS ON THE OUTERER BELTWAY. THAT IS A $2 BILLION INVESTMENT THAT THE STATE OF FLORIDA MADE IN CLAY COUNTY. WE PAID FOR APIRATION OF THAT BUT THE ENTIRE STATE PAID FOR THAT. WITH THAT IMPROVEMENT, IT IS INCUMBENT TO ENCOURAGE GROWTH AROUND THE OUTER BELTWAY. IT IS OUR JOB TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE ACCESS. THIS FALLS WITHIN IT. THIS IS WITHIN THE URBAN SERVICE AREA. THE URBAN SERVICE AREA IS DESIGNATED FOR WATER AND SEWER INFRASTRUCTURE. THIS PARCEL MAY NOT HAVE IT FOR TODAY BUT IT IS DESIGNATED TO HAVE IT BECAUSE IT FALLS WITHIN THE BOUNDARY. THAT MEANS IT CONFORMS WITH DEVELOPMENT, WITH THE OPPORTUNITY, WHETHER IT IS ONE TO FIVE ACRES OR SEVEN TO AN ACRE, THAT DEPENDS ON THE DEVELOPMENT. IT'S IN THE URBAN SERVICE AREA AND THERE IS SUPPORT FOR THE INFRASTRUCTURE.

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>> ANY OTHER COMMENTS? OKAY. I'VE -- OKAY.

>> I WANT TO ECHO FELLOW COMMISSIONERS BY SAYING THANK YOU FOR BEING OUT HERE. AND ALSO TO AGAIN ECHO THE COMMENT THAT THIS IS AN ADVISORY BUDDY ONLY. AS SPIRITED AS YOUR COMMENTS WERE ON BOTH SIDES TONIGHT, I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO GO TO THE BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS MEETING AND ECHO THE SAME COMMENTS. THE ELECTED OFFICIALS ARE THE ONES THAT WILL MAKE THE DECISIONS AS THEY SHOULD. HAVING SAID THAT, I THINK FIRST OF ALL, YOU HAVE DONE A GREAT JOB IN LISTENING TO PEOPLE AND PUTTING A PROJECT TOGETHER. MY ONLY FEELING IS THAT THE TIMING IS NOT RIGHT FOR THIS. THE LOCATION MAY OR MAY NOT BE CORRECT AT THIS POINT. I DID HEAR SOME THINGS THAT I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT TONIGHT. YES, TRAFFIC WAS ONE. THAT'S NOT OUR PURVIEW BUT IT IS A CONCERN. THE GENTLEMAN THAT BROUGHT UP THE ISSUE ABOUT THE OLD DUMP BEING NEARBY, I WOULD ASK A QUESTION FOR THE GROUP AND I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER, WHAT ARE THE RAMIFICATIONS OF HAVING THAT DUMP NEXT TO THE PROPERTY? HOLD ON, SIR. THE FACT THAT THE CITIZEN ADVISORY COMMITTEE VOTED 8-0 BECAUSE THEY REFLECTED THE CONCERN, I APPRECIATE THAT. AT THIS POINT, BECAUSE OF WHAT I SAID I'M JUST GOING TO KEEP IT SHORT AND SAY I WOULD FIND IT DIFFICULT TO SUPPORT IT AS IS TODAY. I THINK IT'S A GOOD PROJECT. THE TIMING IS POOR AND THE LOCATION IS IN QUESTION.

THANK YOU. >> OKAY LET ME THROW MY HAT IN THE RING TOO. LET ME BE AS BRIEF AS I CAN. WHEN I MOVED OVER HERE 40 YEARS AGO, I MOVED TO FLEMING ISLAND. WHEN WE MOVED THERE, THERE WERE 2,000 PEOPLE LIVING ON FLEMING ISLAND. TODAY WE HAVE OVER 35,000. JUST SOME WORDS OF ENCOURAGEMENT. THERE IS LIFE AFTER DEVELOPMENT. I AGREE WITH BOTH COMMISSIONER GARRISON AND COMMISSIONER PUCKHABER. I DON'T KNOW IF THERE IS A QUANT FIABLE TRANSITION BUT YOU STILL ARE YOUR OWN PROPERTY OWNER WHERE YOU ARE. YOU STILL HAVE YOUR PROPERTY RIGHTS AND EVERYTHING ELSE. DEVELOPMENT IS GOING TO HAPPEN. IF THEY DON'T DEVELOP THIS WITH 160 HOMES, IS THE DENSITY TOO HIGH? MAYBE SO. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING LESS THAN THAT BECAUSE IT APPEARS TO BE A LITTLE BIT TOO MUCH, TOO MANY PEOPLE IN A BOX. BUT WHAT'S THE ALTERNATIVE? THAT'S A PRIME CORNER BETWEEN 315 AND HIGHWAY 16. WHAT DOES THE NEXT GUY WANT TO DO WITH THE PROPERTY? MAJOR COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT ESPECIALLY WHAT'S GOING ON ACROSS THE STREET. YOU TALK ABOUT TRAFFIC PROBLEMS, YOUAINT SEEN NOTHING YET . IS IT TIMED RIGHT BASED ON WHAT MR. SMITH TOLD ME, SOUNDS LIKE THEY HAVE A HANDLE ON IT.

INFRASTRUCTURE DOESN'T COME FIRST. INFRASTRUCTURE ALWAYS FOLLOWS DEVELOPMENT. BASIC REASON IS MONEY. IT COSTS I FORGET HOW MANY MILLIONS TO BUILD ONE MILE OF ROAD. THAT'S PRETTY EXPENSIVE. WE HAVEN'T AFFORD TO BE BUILDING ROADS THAT GO TO NO PLACE UNLESS THERE IS SOMEBODY TO HELP PAY FOR IT.

THAT'S WHERE THE IMPACT FEES COME IN. YOU DON'T KNOW THAT I'M IN FAVOR OF THIS. I THINK IT IS A FAIR EXPECTATION OF WHAT THE PROPERTY SHOULD BE. ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ROAD YOU WILL HAVE HIGHER DENSITY AND MORE PEOPLE. ON THIS SIDE YOU HAVE A LITTLE PIECE OF HEAVEN LEFT, GRANTED, YOU WILL HAVE NEIGHBORS OF 160 NEXT TO YOU. BUT IF THE INFRASTRUCTURE COMES ALONG, IT MIGHT BE A GOOD THING. I MEAN I SUFFERED THROUGH IT FOR 30 SOME ODD YEARS AND I'M STILL THERE, AND STILL GOT MY LITTLE PIECE OF HEAVEN LEFT. AND THEY WILL CARE ME OUT OF THERE BOOTS ON AND HEELS FIRST. I THINK I'LL SUPPORT THIS PROJECT. I THINK IT IS ADEQUATE FOR WHAT WILL GO ON THERE. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE LESS

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>> SECOND. >> MOTION AND SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE? ALL OPPOSED SAME SIGN.

OKAY. NOW WE HAVE THE ZONING, MOTION ON ZONING?

>> WE NEED THE COUNT. >> I'M SORRY?

>> WE HAD TWO NAYS -- THREE NAYS, PARDON ME, THREE NAYS,

THEREST AYES. >> 4-3. THEN I WILL FOLLOW THAT AND MAKE A MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL FOR THE ZONING CHANGE.

>> SECOND. >> MOTION A SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE? ALL OPPOSED SAME SIGN.

OKAY. SAME COUNT. GENTLEMEN, I APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE. THIS IS NOT EASY. THANK YOU FOR COMING. THIS WILL GO TO THE

BOARD WHEN? >> DECEMBER 9.

>> OKAY . WE ARE CLOSING DOWN THE AGENDA. I STILL HAVE ONE OPEN COMMENTS PERIOD TO GO. WE WILL GIVE A FEW MINUTES FOR THE

AUDIENCE TO CLEAR. >> ALL RIGHT. LET'S OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. THE LAST PUBLIC HEARING. DOES ANYBODY, I DON'T HAVE ANY CARDS FOR IT. DOES ANYONE WISH TO TALK TO US ABOUT ANYTHING THAT PERTAINS TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION? SPEAK NOW OR FOREVER HOLD YOUR PEACE. SEEING NONE, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. ANYTHING ELSE THAT WE

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