Oct 28, 2025 BCC Agenda

>> PASSED UNANIMOUSLY AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR BEING HERE TODAY.

>> ON BEHALF OF EPILEPSY ALLIANCE FLORIDA, WE WANT TO THANK YOU FOR RECOGNIZING EPILEPSY AWARENESS. AS YOU STATED IT WILL AFFECT ONE IN 26 PEOPLE AND THEY WILL DEVELOP EPILEPSY IN THEIR LIFETIME AND IT HELPS US WITH THE EDUCATION IN OUR COMMUNITY, SO THANK YOU SO MUCH.

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[CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICERS]

>> ALL RIGHT. AND WE'LL MOVE INTO CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICERS. DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING? ANYONE ELSE? WE HAVE ASISTANT CLERK?

[APPROVAL OF MINUTES]

OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

AND THEN WE'LL MOVE INTO APPROVAL OF MINUTES.

>> I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MEETING MINUTES FROM OCTOBER 14,

2025. >> SECOND.

? ALL RIGHT.

I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECON. ALL THESE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

>> AYE. >> ANY OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT. THAT PASSES 4-0.

[PUBLIC COMMENTS]

AND WE'LL MOVE INTO PUBLIC COMMENT. THIS PORTION OF THE AGENDA IS DESIGNED TO ALLOW CITIZENS AN OPPORTUNITY TO BRING MATTERS TO THE ATTENTION OF THE BOARD.

AT THIS TIME THE BOARD WILL NOT ENGAGE IN DEBATE OR ANSWER QUESTIONS. YOU MAY EMAIL CLAYCOUNTYGOV. COM OR YOU MAY EMAIL YOUR DISTRICT COMMISSIONER. PUBLIC COMMENT CARDS SHOULD BE SUBMITTED TO THE CLERK IN THE FAR LEFT OF THE DEUS. BEFORE ADDRESSING THE BOARD, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. NOW I'D LIKE TO OPEN THE FIRST PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD AT TODAY'S MEETING. FIRST, WE HAVE PATRICIA JORGENSON.

>> HI. I'M PAT JORGENSON, AND I HAVE LIVED HERE IN CLAY COUNTY FOR OVER 45 YEARS. I'VE RAISED MY THREE KIDS AS A SINGLE MOM, AND THEY'VE GONE TO YOUR PUBLIC HIGH SCHOOLS, AND I'VE ALWAYS BEEN SO PROUD OF BEING A CLAY COUNTY RESIDENT. I RETIRED JUST A YEARYEAR AFTER WORKING 51 YEARS, AND I THOUGHT, OH, GOD, FINALLY, YOU KNOW, I COULD GO AROUND AND VISIT MY FAMILY AND TAKE CARE OF GRANDKIDS AND PUT A NEW GARDEN IN, AND I WAS SO EXCITED, AND THEN I WAS FLIPPING THE CHANNEL ON MY TV, AND I HAPPENED TO HEAR A COMMENT THAT WAS MADE BY STEPHEN MILLER IN WASHINGTON, D.C. , AND HE WAS STANDING WITH J.D. VANCE AND THE COMMENT WAS ABOUT A PROTESTER WHO WAS 90 YEARS OLD, WAVING A FLAG AND THAT THIS MAN NEEDED TO GO HOME AND TAKE A NAP.

I'M PARAPHRASING. OKAY.

I THOUGHT, THAT IS -- OKAY. THAT'S COMING OUT OF THE WHITE

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HOUSE. THAT'S COMING OUT OF NATIONAL.

THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH US HERE IN CLAY COUNTY, AND THEN II SOMETHING BY OUR SHERIFF WHO SAID SOMETHING ABOUT THESE OLD WHITE PEOPLE WAVING A FLAG IN PROTEST IN CAMP LANDING ANDAND THEY JUST NEEDED TO GO HOME AND TAKE A NAP. WELL, I'M NOT SORRY.

I'M NOT 5 YEARS OLD. YOU'RE NOT MY MAMA, AND YOU'RE NOT GOING TO TELL ME TO GO HOME AND TAKE A NAP. I'M 70 YEARS OLD. I'M RETIRED. DO YOU KNOW WHAT I CAN DO AT 70 YEARS OLD? I CAN GO TO MY DEMOCRATIC HEADQUARTERS. I CAN SAY I CAN VOLUNTEER FIVE DAYS A WEEK. I CAN GO CANVASSING.

I CAN MAKE PHONE CALLS. I CAN WRITE LETTERS.

I CAN DO WHATEVER YOU NEED ME TO DO, AND I CAN DO IT FIVE DAYS A WEEK BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE TO WORK ANYMORE. THAT CAN BE MY JOB. I DON'T THINK -- I THINK YOU GUYS NEED TO THINK ABOUT WHO ARE YOUR CONSTITUENTS. A LOT OF THEM ARE OLDER WHITE PEOPLE, YOU KNOW? AND YOU CAN'T TALK TO US LIKE THAT. I'M REALLY DISAPPOINTED. I THOUGHT YOU WERE BETTER THAN THAT. AND SO I'M GOING TO BE SPENDING MY TIME AND YOU'RE GOING TO BE SEEING ME BECAUSE I'M GOING TO BE COMING TO THESE MEETINGS. I AM GOING TO BE GOING TO SCHOOL BOARD MEETINGS.

>> THANK YOU, MISS JORGENSON.

>> YOU'RE WELCOME.

>> NEXT WE HAVE --

>> HI, MY NAME IS MARISA SANDY, GOOD MORNING, COMMISSIONERS AND ELECTED OFFICIALS.

I'VE BEEN HERE A FEW TIMES. AT THE LAST MEETING I SAW A BIG PROBLEM WITH 218 AND TURNING LANES AND IN THAT SAME MEETING WE WERE DISCUSSING CATHEDRAL OAKS PARKWAY AND IT WAS $43.2 MILLION TO DO THAT.

IT TOOK ME 15 MINUTES TO GET OUT OF HENLEY AND APALACHICOLA, AND THIS ISN'T SOMETHING YOU DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT.

TEN YEARS AGO I WAS ON TV ABOUT THAT INTERSECTION AT HENLEY AND 220, BUT IT TAKES TWO YEARS TO BUILD A 5. 2 MILE ROAD FOR $42.3 MILLION.

ALL OF THAT COULD HAVE SOLVED ISSUES IN CLAY COUNTY, BUT WE GOT A ROAD TO NOWHERE FOR A 70 MILLION SELL FOR THE OLIGARCHS. THAT'S WHERE WE ARE IN THIS COUNTRY AND THAT'S WHERE WE ARE IN THIS COUNTY.

IF YOU'RE WORRIED WHY YOU CAN'T GET TURNING LANES IN 218 AND IT'S THE SAME PROBLEM THAT'S GOING ON NATIONALLY.

PEOPLE WITH MONEY THINK YOUR TAXES MEAN NOTHING.

ALL OF THESE PEOPLE IN CLAY COUNTY PAY TAXES AND IN THE 30-SOME ODD COMBINED WITH EVERYONE ELSE, WAS MORE THAN THAT HOMEOWNER THAT GOT A 42.2 MILLION ROAD TO GO ALONG WITH IT AND WE SPENT $2 MILLION TO BUILD THE ROAD IN FRONT OF THE WATER COMPANY TO STEAL OUR WATER AND TAKE OUR WATER OUT OF THE GROUND AND PUT IT IN PLASTIC AND AT THE SAME TIME GOT RID OF OUR RECYCLING.

WHAT'S GOING ON HERE? FIXED OUR TRAFFIC TEN YEARS AGO, BUT YOU SPENT $42.3 MILLION FOR THE OLIGARCHS AND THIS IS TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION AND THAT'S WHY THIS COUNTY IS HELD UP AND IT'S NOT JUST LOCALLY, IT'S NATIONALLY AND IT'S GOING TO GET WORSE.

YOU GUYS ARE OBSOLETE RIGHT NOW. I'VE SEEN YOUR MEETINGS.

ANY MEETINGS YOU HAVE ON MONEY TWO MONTHS FROM NOW, IT WILL BE TAKEN FROM YOU BECAUSE YOU DID THE WRONG THING AND YOU'VE DONE IT NOW AND YOU'RE GOING TO DO IT AGAIN.

YOU HAVE NO CONTROL. THIS IS ALL A WASTE OF TIME. HAVE A GOOD DAY.

>> HELENA, DO YOU HAVE -- AR%-Ú

>> HELLO. MY NAME IS HELENA CORMIER, MY ADDRESS IS ON FILE. I WANTED TO SPEAK FOR THE NUMBER 9 ON THE CONSENT AGENDA AND IT'S THE APPROVAL OF THE MOBILITY FEE CREDIT.

THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS KIND OF NEW IN SUNDAYING FOR SOME OF US AND WHEN I WAS TRYING TO READ THROUGH THE DOCUMENT AND SEEING THE DIFFERENT AMOUNTS AND THE YEARS AND THE DATES AND THE PERCENTAGES AND JUST, IF THERE WAS ANY WAY THAT YOU ALL OF EXPLAIN IT TO THE PUBLIC TO HELP US UNDERSTAND, I WOULD GREATLY LOVE THAT.

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THERE'S A LOT GOING ON IN THE COUNTY AND WITH ALL OF THE DIFFERENT THINGS, AND TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE VERBIAGE, IT CAN GET A LITTLE BIT CONFUSING AND JUST SEEING WHERE THE DEVELOPERS ARE GOING TO GET THEIR CREDIT, BUT YET THERE MAY BE A CDD. WHO ACTUALLY BUILDS THE ROAD ROAD IS IT A BOND? I'M JUST TRYING TO REALLY UNDERSTAND AND IT IS SO HARD, SO IF THERE'S ANY WAY THAT YOU COULD ACTUALLY DISCUSS AND LET US HEAR AND UNDERSTAND IT WOULD HELP US, AT LEAST HELP ME. THANK YOU.

>> ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE OUR SHERIFF NOW.

>> GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS. I WOULD LIKE TO GO ON RECORD TO ABSOLUTELY, 100% COMPLETELY REFUTE THE STATEMENTS ATTRIBUTED TO ME BY THE LADY SITTING BEHIND ME. I HAVE BUILT A FIVE- YEAR REPUTATION OF WORKING WITH EVERYBODY IN THIS COMMUNITY.

ANYBODY WHO WANTS TO PROTEST WE'VE GONE ABOVE AND BEYOND TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE SAFE AND THEIR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS ARE GUARANTEED AND SINCE SOMEBODY CAME UP HERE EARLIER AND ATTRIBUTED A STATEMENT TO ME THAT I'VE NEVER SAID, I WOULD LIKE TO GO ON RECORD SAYING THAT I'VE NEVER SAID THAT, SO THANK YOU.

>> ARE THERE ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT AT THIS TIME?

ALL RIGHT. >> WE WILL MOVE ON.

>> OH, SORRY. YES.

COME ON.

>> YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SPEAK ON NUMBER 18.

[CONSENT AGENDA]

DO YOU WANT TO WAIT UNTIL THEN?

>> YES, MA'AM.

THAT'S FINE. >> ALL RIGHT. WE'LL MOVE ON TO CONSENT AGENDA NOW. DO YOU HAVE

ANY ITEMS? >> I'D LIKE TO PULL ITEM NUMBER 7.

>> ALL RIGHT. NUMBER 7.

ANYTHING ELSE?

>> I'LL PULL NUMBER 9.

ALL RIGHT. I'LL TAKE A MOTION FOR EVERYTHING BUT 7 AND 9.

>> MADAM CHAIR, I MOVE APPROVAL OF THE CONSENT AGENDA MINUS ITEM 7 AND 9.

>> SECOND MOTION.

[7. Agreement with St. Johns Housing Partnership for SHIP Inspection Services (T. Sumner)]

>> ANY OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT.

NUMBER 7? >> I PULLED NUMBER 7.

I WANT TO UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE CONTRACTING FOR AND THE PREMISE -- THE REASON I'M PULLING IT IS DUE TO I HAD TWO INCIDENTS WHERE I HAD LESS THAN OPTIMUM WITH ST. JOHN'S -- ST.

JOHN'S HOUSING PARTNERSHIP, AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT ENTERING INTO A CONTRACT WE'RE GOING TO REGRET.

SO I GUESS IF STEVE, IF YOU COULD KIND OF EXPLAIN WHAT THIS -- THE CONFLICT THAT I HAD WAS WITH THE INSPECTION REQUIREMENTS THAT ST. JOHN'S HOUSING PARTNERSHIP WAS RESPONSIBLE TO PERFORM.

>> RIGHT. SO THIS PARTICULAR CONTRACT IS FOR THE SHIP PROGRAM AND WHAT THESE ARE ARE THE EVALUATIONS THAT THEY DO WHEN THEY GO OUT TO THE PROPERTY AND THEY DRAW UP THE WORK ORDER FOR THE THINGS THAT SHIP IS GOING TO REPAIR. SO FOR THE INSPECTION SIDE OF IT, ANYTHING THAT'S COVERED UNDER THE BUILDING CODE STILL REQUIRES A PERMIT AND STILL REQUIRES THE NORMAL BUILDING CODE INSPECTIONS THAT GO ON DURING THE PROCESS.

WHAT THEY DO WITH THIS CONTRACT IS WRITE UP THE WORK ORDER AND THIS PARTICULAR COMPANY HAD THIS CONTRACT PREVIOUSLY.

>> SO WHAT I SPOKE TO IS A DIFFERENT ASPECT OF THE HOUSING PARTNERSHIP, A DIFFERENT FUNCTION THAN THEY DID TO WHICH I ADDRESSED, CORRECT? ? YES, SIR. WHAT -- WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO IS A DIFFERENT PROGRAM, A DIFFERENT GRANT- TYPE PROGRAM TO DO HOUSING REPAIR AND THE ISSUES THAT YOU SPOKE OF ARE WITH THIS COMPANY ACTING AS A CONTRACTOR AS OPPOSED TO A -- SOMEONE WRITING UP THE INSPECTION WRITEUP. IT'S A DIFFERENT FUNCTION.

>> THE SPECIFIC CONFLICT I HAD -- OR I KNOW ABOUT WAS THE

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HOUSING PARTNERSHIP WASN'T ORDERING THE INSPECTIONSINSPECTIONS WERE REQUIRED -- THE PROCESS OF INSPECTIONS AND THEY SAID COME OUT AND INSPECT IT AND THEY HAD TO RE- DO A LOT OF THE WORK. IF YOU COVERED THE PLUMBING UP WP DRYWALL, YOU CAN'T SEE IT. THEY HAD TO REMOVE SOME OF THE PROCESS TO DO THE PROPER INSPECTION ANYWAY, SO -- THIS IS

A DIFFERENT ISSUE. >> YES, SIR.

>> SO I GUESS I'M OKAY WITH IT, BUT -- IS THERE ANYBODY HERE FROM THE HOUSING PARTNERSHIP OF ST. JOHN'S?

OKAY. >> ALL RIGHT. NUMBER 9.

>> I'LL MAKE A MOTION.

>> OH.

>> I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM NUMBER 7.

>> I'LL SECOND. >> ALL THOSE IN FAVOR

SAY AYE. >> AYE.

[9. Approval of Mobility Fee Credit Agreement between Governors Park Property Holdings, LLC and Clay County (C. Grimm)]

>> ANY OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT AND THEN NUMBER 9, COURTNEY, IF YOU COULD JUST EXPLAIN

THAT? >> SURE.

THIS IS SAY MOBILITY FEE CREDIT AGREEMENT ON THE ORDINANCE. WITHIN THE MOB ILFEE ORDINANCE THERE ARE CERTAIN DESIGNATED MOBL MOBILE ILITY FEE AND IT IS CALLED THE SPRING BYPASS.

IN CONNECTION WITH THIS AGREEMENT, THEY HAVE DIVIDED IT UP INTO FIVE DIFFERENT SEGMENTS, BUT AS YOU'RE AWARE, THE CREDITS THAT ARE ALLOCATED ARE NOT GIVEN TO THEM UNTIL THEY DONATE THE RIGHT OF WAY AND THEN THEY WOULD RECEIVE A PORTION AND THEN ALSO ONCE CONSTRUCTION IS COMPLETE THEY WOULD THEN RECEIVE THE CREDITS. IT IS ALL ATTRIBUTED TO THE MILEAGE THAT THEY DODO EACH SEGMENT. IT WAS BENCHONED ABOUT BONDING AND THERE IS A PROVISION IN HERE THAT THEY CAN MOVE FORWARD AND BOND A PARTICULAR SECTION AND WHAT THAT ALLOWS THEM TO DO IS THEY DO THAT AND THEY PROVIDE US A BOND ATTRIBUTABLE TO THAT SECTION, THEY CAN GO AHEAD AND RECEIVE THE CREDITS.

SO WHAT THAT ALLOWS FOR THEM IS THAT WHILE THE ROAD IS BEING BUILT WITHIN THE AREA THEY ARE ABLE TO USE THE CREDITS

ALONGSIDE. >> OKAY.

THANK YOU. >> I HAVE A QUESTION. THERE'S AN ESCALATION CLAUSE.

WHAT IS THE ESCALATION CLAUSE?

>> SO IN THE CURRENT MOBILITY FEE ORDINANCE THAT WE HAVE, SO EACH YEAR IT ESCALATES.

I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT PERCENTAGES EACH YEAR, BUT, LIKE, ONE YEAR -- AND IT'S BASED ON CERTAIN TRANSPORTATION, CIP- TYPE DOCUMENT.

WE KEEP TRACK OF IT. IT'S POSTED ON OUR WEBSITE EACH YEAR AND SO BECAUSE THIS WAS CREATED FIVE YEARS AGO THE AMOUNT HAS ESCALATED FROM THE AMOUNT THAT'S IN THE AGREEMENT AND IT'S DONE THROUGH OUR IMPACT FEE COORDINATOR EACH YEAR.

>> MADAM CHAIR, QUESTION FOR THE ATTORNEY.

IN SHORT, THE MOBILITY FEE CREDIT IS REQUIRING THE DEVELOPER TO BUILD FIVE MILES OF ROAD?

>> BEFORE THEY RECEIVE THE

CREDIT, YES. >> CORRECT.

THE COUNTY WILL NOT BUILD, THE

DEVELOPER WILL BUILD. >> CORRECT.

>> THE CAVEAT IS THE BOND, THOUGH, RIGHT? SO THAT IF THEY DO ISSUE THE BOND TO THE COUNTY THEN THEY GET THOSE CREDITS AND THEY ARE DEVELOPING SIMULTANEOUSLY.

>> THAT IS AN OPTION THAT THEY HAVE IS TO DO THE BOND IN ADVANCE TO BUILD THE ROAD AT THE SAME TIME THEY BUILD THE HOMES. AND TRADITIONALLY, THE -- I GUESS SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE WE'VE NEVER HAD A DEVELOPER GIVE US A BOND.

THEY'VE ALWAYS BUILT A ROAD AND RECEIVED

THE CREDITS. >> AFTER.

ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU FOR THE EXPLANATION, AND I'LL TAKE A MOTION FOR NUMBER 9.

>> MOVE APPROVAL.

>> I'LL SECOND.

>> AYE. >> AND ANY OPPOSED?

[12. Strategic Plan Quarterly Update (L. Christmas)]

ALL RIGHT. 4-0. A YOU WILL RIGHT.

>> AND WE WILL MOVE ON TO DISCUSSION UPDATES.

WE HAVE THE STRATEGIC PLAN QUARTERLY UPDATE BY LAURA CHRISTMAS.

>> GOOD EVENING. ALL RIGHT.

SO GOOD EVENING. LAURA CHRISTMAS, DIRECTOR OF COMMUNICATIONS. THIS EVENING WE ARE JUST GOING TO DO THE STRATEGIC PLAN UPDATE FOR YEAR TWO QUARTER THREE, AND YOU NEED TO HAVE THE UPDATE DIGITALLY AND IN HARD COPY. I'LL GO OVER JUST A FEW TARGETS, PROVIDE AN UPDATE ON THE STRATEGIC PLANS FEATURE AND ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS

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THAT YOU ALL MIGHT HAVE. ASSISTANT COUNTY MANAGER TROY NAGLE IS ALSO ON HAND TO ANSWER QUESTIONS REGARDING THE STRATEGIC PLAN'S NEXT STEPS AND STAFF IS ON HAND TO DISCUSS ANY OF THE TARGETS THAT ARE IN THE UPDATE. I'LL GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED.

THE FIRST TARGET THAT WE WANT TO HIGHLIGHT IS GG 1.T 1 THAT FALLS UNDER GOOD GOVERNANCE. OUR SOCIAL MEDIA CONTENT WAS VIEWED A MILLION TIMES. THE USERS CONTINUE TO TREND UPWARD. OVERALL IT CONTINUES TO TREND POSITIVELY IN 2025 AS IT DID IN 2024.

OUR NEXT UPDATE THAT WE WANTED TO PROVIDE IS OUR GOOD GOVERNANCE BOLD GOAL WHICH IS UP TO NEARLY 49 MILLION IN 2024. YOU CAN SEE WHERE WE -- I'M SORRY, IN 2025. YOU CAN SEE WE ARE UP FROM THAT NUMBER IN 2024 AND THAT ISIS BOLD GOAL FOR GOOD GOVERNANCE, AND THAT PICTURE BEHIND IT, OF COURSE IS THE FIRE STATION OPENING CEREMONY.

>> OUR NEXT UPDATE IS CHS3. T5 WHICH FALLS UNDER COMMUNITY HEALTH AND SAFETY.

WE ENDED QUARTER 3 HAVING INSTALLED 197 AEDS OF NARCAN ACROSS THE COUNTRY. OF COURSE, YOU CAN SEE THE GOAL IS TO HAVE 250 LOCATIONS IN FIVE YEARS. AND OUR FINAL UPDATE THAT WE WANTED TO PROVIDE IN THIS PRESENTATION IS TARGET IN1. T1 WHICH FALLS UNDER INFRASTRUCTURE. WE CALCULATED MORE THAN 40,000 TOTAL RIDERS SOSO IN 2025 AND YOU CAN SEE THE BASELINE IN LAST YEAR'S FINAL NUMBERS ON THE SLIDE TO SHOW THE DATA TREND REGARDING THE TARGET. SO LOOKING AHEAD, THE NEXT STEPS, WE PLAN TO HOLD A WORK SHOP IN NOVEMBER OR DECEMBER WITH THE BOARD TO DETERMINE THE NEXT STEPS FOR THE STRATEGIC PLAN IN THE ROAD MAP.

YOU ARE REDETERMINING TARGETS TO ALIGN WITH THE STRATEGIC PLAN AND WITH THAT, I'LL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE.

>> DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?

>> MADAM CHAIR, QUESTION. I DON'T KNOW IF IT WOULD BE MORE SO THE STRATEGIC PLAN OR STAFF IN GENERAL, BUT YOU'LL HAVE TO HELP REMIND ME THE NAME OF OUR CITIZEN'S REACTION TEAM.

>> CIS. >> CIS.

WHAT DOES IT STAND FOR AGAIN?

INAUDIBLE ENTREPRENEUR ] >> I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE PERCENTAGE OF WORK ORDERS BECAUSE I THINK IT'S WORKED REALLY WELL.

>> YEAH. WE CAN GET THAT FOR YOU.

>> OKAY. >> MADAM CHAIR, IF I MAY TO COMMENT ON THAT. EVERY CALL THAT COMES INTO THAT NUMBER IS TAKEN BY THE TEAM WHICH WE STARTED, OBVIOUSLY, FOR THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR AND EACH CALL IS LOGGED IN AND TRACKED BY TEAM FOR COMPLETION, AND SO IT WAS A WAY TO HELP OUT AND GET BETTER RESPONSE TO THE COMMUNITY WITH A PARTICULAR ISSUE, WHATEVER THAT ISSUE MIGHT BE.

>> AND JUST FOR PUBLIC VISIBILITY, YOU KNOW THAT THAT NUMBER IS THE NUMBER ON THE WEBSITE?

>> THE NUMBER IS ON THE WEBSITE. OH, GO AHEAD, TROY.

>> THE MAIN NUMBER.

>> 284-6300. I JUST WANT TO COMMEND THE TEAM, KYLE, HIS TEAM AND HOWARD, YOUR VISION FOR THIS. I'VE HAD RESIDENTS WHO REACHED OUT AND SAID HEY, I CALLED THIS NUMBER AND IT WAS FAST. THERE WAS FOLLOW-UP. SO GOOD WORK ON THAT AND LET'S KEEP THAT GOING FOR SURE.

>> YES, SIR.

>> ANYONE ELSE?

>> YEAH. I HAVE ONE FOR THE CHAIR.

LAURA, CAN YOU PROVIDE SOME DETAILS CONCERNING THE SIDEWALKS AND TRAILS? I SAW THAT FOR LAST YEAR WE DID 6. 68 MILES. IS THERE -- FOR ONE, CAN WE GET THAT DELINEATED AS FAR AS SIDEWALKS AND TRAILS.

I DON'T KNOW -- I'M SURE THERE WAS A REASON WHY WE BROUGHT THEM TOGETHER AND THE REASON I'M CURIOUS IS BECAUSE THIS 8.23 NUMBER -- WAS THERE ANY MODIFICATION MADE TO THE NUMBER OF MILES THAT WE WOULD LOOK TO COMPLETE CONCERNING SIDEWALKS GIVEN THE CHANGES WITHIN THE COUNTY SPECIFIC TO A QUESTION THAT I HAD PROBABLY EIGHT MONTHS AGO TO STAFF ABOUT PARTNERING WITH THE SCHOOL SYSTEM BECAUSE JACKSONVILLE HAD

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AN INITIATIVE. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU REMEMBER THIS, COUNTY MANAGER, AND THEY HAD THIS PROGRAM WHERE THINKTHINK IT WAS TPO, IT WAS A PRESENTATION AT TPO WHERE THE SCHOOLS THAT NEEDED SIDEWALKS WOULD PARTNER WITH THIS NON- PROFIT AND THE COUNTIES GOT INVOLVED IN THAT THEY FACILITATED THE CONVERSATION AND BECAUSE OF CHANGES THAT HAVE HAPPENED RECENTLY THAT HAVE PULLED IN THE COUNTY, I'M CURIOUS IF THERE'S BEEN MODIFICATION OF THIS ASPECT OF THE STRATEGIC PLAN?

>> I THINK I'M GOING TO START AND THEN I'M GOING TO HAVE ERIC SMITH FOR MORE

DETAILS. >> WE DON'T HAVE A STRATEGIC PLAN YET AND WE LOOK AT ALL OF THE NUMBERS HOLISTICALLY AND WHAT THE DIRECTION'S GOING TO BE. YOU KNOW, THE BOARD DID VOTE TO CHANGE OUR METHODOLOGY SO WE'RE WAITING FOR THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO RE- OPEN AND APPROVE THE CBG PLAN TO FLIP THE MONEY FROM HOME REPAIR AND INFRASTRUCTURE WHICH MEANS WE'LL BE DOING MORE SIDEWALKS AND RICHARD AND ERIC CAN TALK TO THE SIDEWALK LIST IN THE CURRENT BID AND WHAT OUR PLAN IS GOING FOR IT NEXT YEAR AND OF COURSE, YOU DO HAVE THE STRAIGHT STREETS FOR SAFE STREETS FOR ALL IS TO EVALUATE AREAS AND BETH WOULD BE THE BETTER ONE TO TALK TO ABOUT

THAT. >> SAFE STREETS FOR ALL ENCOMPASSES US LOOKING AT ALL OF THE DIFFERENT ISSUES AND THAT SETS YOU UP FOR FUTURE STATE FUNDING OR FEDERAL FUNDING BECAUSE WHAT COMES OUT OF THAT REPORT ALLOWS YOU TO FILE FOR OTHER GRANTS AND FUNDING STREAMS. I'M NOT AWARE OF THE GROUP YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, BUT I'M SURE IF WE CAN GET MORE INFORMATION WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT IT.

>> THE GROUP THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT PARTNERS WITH THE

COUNTY. >> FROM TPO.

UNLESS THAT WAS SAFE STREETS.

>> DO YOU THINK IT WAS? I DON'T KNOW THAT IT WAS.

THIS WAS SEVERAL MONTHS AGO SO I WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT WHATEVER MY NOTES WERE, BUT I THOUGHT WE WERE LOOKING FURTHER INTO THAT AND I'M SURE THAT'S FINE.

>> MEGAN IS HERE, SO I THINK YOU HAVE THE WHOLE TEAM TO TALK ABOUT SIDEWALKS.

>> I KNOW THE TPO HASSED OUT TO PARTNER WITH THE PROGRAM.

THAT GRANT PROGRAM IS TWO YEARS OUT, I BELIEVE. MEGAN CAN FILL YOU IN ON THOSE DETAILS AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT TALIA WITH THE TPO HAS COME OUT AND TALKED TO US.

ONE OF OUR SCHOOLS IS GOING FOR A GRANT.

>> I DID NOT KNOW THAT. MEGAN, DID YOU WANT TO ADD TO THAT? THE MORE INFORMATION YOU GIVE THE MORE QUESTIONS I HAVE. I'M CURIOUS.

WHEN YOU SAY THE PROGRAM IS TWO YEARS OUT, DOES THAT MEAN YOU'RE SAYING WE HAVE TO APPLY FOR IT? I THINK IT DOESN'T OPEN UNTIL AT SOME POINT. COUNTY STAFF DIDN'T MEET WITH THE TPO GROUP WHO WAS OFFERING TO HELP WITH PROJECT PLANNING SERVICES AND WE'VE ALSO TALKED TO THE SCHOOL BOARD.

SO I THINK OUR GOAL IS TO START GETTING A CUE OF PROJECTS ON THAT LIST. SO AS FUNDING BECOMES AVAILABLE YOU CAN START A STEADY PIPELINE, BUT I AGREE THERE ARE LOTS OF SOURCES OF FUNDING FOR SIDEWALKS RIGHT NOW AND AS YOU KNOW, THEY'VE DONE A BIG PIVOT FOR THE PROGRAM TO FOCUS ON INFRASTRUCTURE AND SIDEWALK CONNECTIVITY. D.O.T. HAS FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES EVERY YEAR FOR US AND AS TROY MENTIONED THE SAFE STREETS FOR OUR PROGRAM HAS OPENED UP AND THERE ARE FEDERAL DOLLARS FOR US, TOO.

>> DO YOU KNOW WHAT SCHOOL IT WAS IN DISTRICT 2?

>> OKAY. THAT'S FINE.

>> WE DON'T HAVE THAT ON HAND. THAT'S OKAY.

I'M GLAD THAT THIS IS NEWS TO ME AND I'M GLAD THAT THERE'S BEEN THIS MOVEMENT TO ADDRESS BECAUSE IT'S MORE OF OF A COUNTY INFRASTRUCTURE QUESTIONS AND MONTHS AGO AND THINGS DEVELOPED ALONG THE WAY AND IT'S MADE GIVEN THIS IMPORT AND I APPRECIATE THE UPDATE.

THANK YOU.

>> ONE OTHER THING, COMMISSIONER SMITH, COUNTY ENGINEER. WE ARE CONTINUING THURSDAY TO KICK OFF SAFE STREETS AND SCHOOL SIDEWALK PROJECT.

THERE WILL BE NEW SIDEWALKS THAT CONNECT TO THE ELEMENTARY AND THAT GRANT WAS INITIATED BY THE PARENTS AND THE LOCAL SCHOOL ADMINISTRATORS IN 2018.

THE CONSTRUCTION BEGINS NEXT WEEK.

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>> SO THAT'S ONE THING. TPO DID GRANT US AND IT'S IN THE 19TH AND THE 2027 WORK PLAN, THE $3 MILLION GRANT THAT CONNECTS THE SIDEWALKS ALONG THE EAST SIDE OF 17 THAT HAVE GAPS IN THEM AND THAT WAS APPROVED AND WHEN WE SAY 2027 IS NOT AS FAR AS THEY THINK, THEIR YEAR BEGAN JULY 1, 2026.

SO WE'RE HOPING THAT BEGINS SOONER AND WE'LL CONNECT THAT.

THE FIRST CDBG PROJECT WE HAVE SCHEDULED WILL BE IN ELEMENTARY AND IT WILL BE A SIDEWALK THAT WILL CONNECT TO APALACHICOLA ALONG THE CHOCTAW TRAIL AND THAT HAS BEEN BID OUT AND HAS BEEN SECURED.

WE'RE JUST WAITING FOR THE FUNDS TO COME THROUGH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. SO AND ALSO EVERY PROJECT THAT COMES IN OF NEW COMMERCIAL PROJECTS HAVE TO HAVE FRONTAGE OR PAY $75 PER LINEAR FOOT FREE FOR THEIR FRONTAGE ON ANY PUBLIC ROAD. WE ARE COLLECTING THAT ROBUSTLY, AND HOPE TO HAVE A -- AND WE'LL PROBABLY NEED SOME ADVICE ON PRIORITIZING, AND BASED ON -- SORT OF LIKE WHERE THE COWS ARE WALKING, THAT'S WHERE WE NEED A SIDEWALK. 218 NEEDS A SIDEWALK, FOR INSTANCE. OLD JENNINGS ROAD NEEDS A SIDEWALK OR TRAIL AND THAT IS WHAT WE ARE COLLECTING FOR EVERY COMMERCIAL PROJECT THAT COMES

INTO THE COUNTY. >> VERY NICE. THANK YOU. BIG DEAL.

>> IF I MAY FOR THE CHAIR. IF THE COMMUNITY WANTS TO KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE SIDEWALK PROJECTS THAT RICHARD JUST MENTIONED THEY'RE ALL ON THE WEBSITE. CLAYCOUNTY.GOV, WE UPDATE IT

WEEKLY. >> MADAM CHAIR, IF I MAY, THAT'S WHY THIS IS THE FIRST- EVER STRATEGIC PLAN AND THESE GOALS WERE SET AS THE PRIORITIES OF THE COMMUNITY AND THE BOARD THAT ARE HERE.

SO JUST BY THE MERE FACT THAT WE TRACK THESE NUMBERS IS ONON LIST OF DAILY, WEEKLY, MONTHLY ACTIVITY THAT WE GO OUT TO TRY TO PURSUE THOSE FUNDS.

I WANT TO -- WE'VE LEFT THEM. WE'VE ALREADY ACHIEVED THEM.

>> THOOTD WHY WE WANTED TO GET BASED ON CURRENT DATA, THINGS HAVE CHANGED ON FUNDING STREAM AND PRIORITIES AND IT MAY GO FROM 20 TO 100 TO HAVE THAT GOAL THAT WE'LL GO AFTER AND REALISTICALLY TRY TO ATTAIN, BUT REALLY AS WE'RE HERE AT THIS TWO- YEAR, TWO AND A HALF YEAR MARK THIS IS A GOOD TIME TO HAVE THIS WORK SHOP AND ADJUST THE NUMBERS THAT ARE THERE. AND WE MAY ADD ANOTHER GOAL HERE. I ASK IF THE BOARD SEES SOMETHING OR THE COMMUNITY SEES SOMETHING IN THE STRATEGIC PLAN THAT THY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE AS A GOAL THAT'S IN THERE, PLEASE LET US KNOW, AND WE'D LIKE TO PURSUE THAT HERE IN 2026 AND THEN MAKE AN AMENDMENT TO THIS AND MAKE THE STRATEGIC PLAN EVEN BETTER. THANK YOU, MA'AM.

>> THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE? I HAVE TWO COMMENTS.

I REGULARLY SEE PEOPLE ASKINGASKING WHERE ARE WE DOING ROAD WORK AT, BUT THEY DON'T SEE THINGS HAPPENING? AS YOU HEARD, THIS IS YEAR TWO, AND OUR GOAL WAS TO RESURFACE 100 MILES IN FIVE YEARS AND WE'VE ALREADY DONE 83.86. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ALL THE ROAD WORK THAT'S BEING DONE.

YOU MIGHT NOT SEE IT, BUT IT IS, AND THEN YOU HAVE SOMETHING POSITIVE FOR MISS SANDAY, AND YOU HAVE BEEN VOICING THE SIDEWALK, AND THAT'S A WONDERFUL THING. I KNOW YOU'VE BEEN ASKING FOR THAT AND YEAH, WE ARE VERY EXCITED FOR THAT. WE DO HEAR.

[13. Bid No.24/25-115, Fire Station No. 24 Site Clearing Services (K. Smith)]

GREAT. WE DO HEAR YOU. ALL RIGHT.

WE WILL MOVE ON TO BUSINESS RIGHT NOW.

13, BID NUMBER 24/25- 115, FIRE STATION NUMBER 24 SITE CLEARING SERVICES WITH KAREN SMITH.

>> GOOD AFTERNOON. THIS ITEM IS RELATED TO FIRE STATION 24, THE CONSTRUCTION WHICH IS LOCATED ON SWEAT ROAD IN GREEN COAT SPRINGS. THIS WAS PARTIALLY FUNDED WITH FEMA DOLLARS. IT REQUIRES A FUNDAMENTAL ASSESSMENT. SO THE ASSESSMENT WAS DONE AND IT WAS DETERMINED

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THAT THERE'S THE POSSIBILITY OF TRI- COLORED BATS AT THIS LOCATION SO WE HAD TO ISSUE A BID TO DO SITE CLEARING BEFORE THE CONSTRUCTION. WITH THIS, THERE IS A WINDOW OF OPPORTUNITY TO DO THE TREE REMOVAL WHICH IS DECEMBER 15TH THROUGH FEBRUARY 15TH.

WE WILL RECEIVE ONE BID WHICH WAS CONNOR CONSTRUCTION.

WE PUT OUT A BASE BID AND THEN AN ALTERNATE BID.

THEY WILL DO ONE OR THE OTHER AND NOT BOTH.

THE FIRST SPACE BID WOULD BE IF THERE ARE SNOW TURTLES. THE TURTLES ON SITE HAVE BEEN RELOCATED BY A CONTRACTOR AND THEN THEY CAN GO IN AND DO A MORE STREAMLINED TREE CLEARING. IF THE TURTLES ARE STILL IN PLACE THEN THEY HAVE A DIFFERENT MEANS AND METHOD THEY HAVE TO DO MEANING SOME MORE SILK FENCE, AVOIDING THE BORROW HOLES AND THAT WOULD CAUSE UP TO 60,000.

SO THE MAX THE PROJECT WILL COST UNDER THIS PROJECT WILL BE 60,000. WE HOPE ONLY 44, BUT THERE IS THE POSSIBILITY OF 60.

WE HAD SEVERAL CONTRACTORS ATTEND THE PRE- BID MEETING THAT WAS ON SITE, BUT WE ONLY RECEIVED ONE BID SO THAT'S WHY IT'S

UNDER NEW BUSINESS. >> ANY QUESTIONS?

>> JUST AS AN ASIDE, TRI- COLORED BATS. NEVER÷÷ HEARD OF THEM.

>> IT'S NOT ONLY ININ CAVES MINES.

WE DON'T HAVE CAVES AND MINES. THESE GUYS NEST IN SPANISH MOSS AND STUFF. WEIRD.

I'VE NEVER HEARD OF THEM.

>> THE GOOD THING IS THERE ARE NO EASTERN INDIGO SNAKES ONON SITE.

>>THAT'S A GOOD THING.

>> ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS?

>> I'LL TAKE A MOTION.

>> APPROVAL.

>> MOTION AND SECOND.

AND WE WILL MOVE ON TO 14, BID NUMBER 24/25- 111 SECURITY GATE AND CARD READERS FOR THE CLAY COUNTY JAIL.

>> ANY OPPOSED? 4-0.

[14. Bid No. 24/25-111, Security Gate and Card Readers for the Clay County Jail (K. Smith)]

>> WE RECEIVE THIS FROM MILLER ELECTRIC. THEY DO OUR WORK RIGHT NOW SO WE RECOMMEND AWARDING THE BID TO

MILLER. >> ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS? I'LL TAKE A MOTION.

>> I MOVE APPROVAL OF ITEM 14.

>> SECOND AND MOTION.

>> I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

>> AYE. >> ANY OPPOSED?

>> 4-0. ANYBODY HAVE A JOKE? WE HAVE ONE MINUTE.

>> ALL RIGHT. GOOD WORK ON THE STRATEGIC PLAN, BY THE WAY, LAURA.

>> ALL RIGT. FOR NUMBER 17 AND 18 IF YOU'RE WANTING TO HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON IT, YOU'LL NEED TO STAND TO BE SWORN IN.

>> PLEASE COME TO THE MIDDLE AND RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.

>> I'M SORRY. WE'RE TOGETHER.

>> DO YOU SOLEMNLY SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE TESTIMONY

[17. Final Public Hearing to consider ZON 25-0026. (District 4, Comm. Condon) (J. Bryla)]

YOU ARE ABOUT TO GIVE WILL BE THE TRUTH, THE TRUTH AND NOTHING, BUT THE TRUTH SO HELP

YOU GOD? >>

I DO. >> ZON 25-0026 AND THIS IS COMMISSIONER CONDON'S DISTRICT AND THIS IS THE SECOND HEARING AND FIRST I WOULD ASK IF THERE WAS ANY EX PARTE DISCLOSURES? OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

>> THANK YOU. CHAIR, YES.

THIS IS ZONING 25- 0026 AND YOU DID HEAR THIS AT YOUR LAST MEETING, AND I AM HAPPY TO SHARE THE PRESENTATION AGAIN.

I HAVEN'T CHANGED IT, BUT IT'S UP TO YOU.

>> YOU CAN JUST DO A BRIEF OVERVIEW, I THINK.

I WOULD APPRECIATE IT. >> YEAH.

>> SO THIS IS ADMINISTRATIVE REZONING FOR SIX PARCELS OF LAND ALONG CARTER SPENCER ROAD THAT HAVE AN AGRICULTURE FUTURE FUTURE

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USE AND AN AGRICULTURAL ZONING AND THAT REQUIRES 20 ACRES OF LAND FOR SOMEONE TO BUILD ON IT OR IMPROVE THEIR EXISTING PROPERTY, AND SO I HAD A GENTLEMAN COME IN WHO HAS A VACANT PIECE ON THIS STRETCH ANDAND WANT TO BUILD A HOME AND UNFORTUNATELY, IT'S NOT A BUILDABLE LOT BECAUSE OF THE ZONING, AND SO WE DETERMINED WITH CONSULTATION WITH COMMISSIONER CONDON THIS WOULD BE APPROPRIATE FOR ADMINISTRATIVE REZONING OF ALL OF THESE PARCELS SO THAT THEY COULD BE CONSISTENT WITH THE PARCELS TO THE NORTH THAT WERE ALREADY PLOTTED LOTS AT THAT TIME. SO THESE ARE THE SIX LOTS. THE ONE IN THE CENTER, THE CENTER OF THE SMILE, THAT PROPERTY OWNER OPTED OUT OFOF PER FLORIDA STATUTES, I SENT OUT NOTICE 30 DAYS PRIOR TO THE FIRST HEARING OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION HEARING AND THEY DID OPT OUT OF THIS PROCESS.

SO WE REMOVED THEM FROM THE ADDITIONAL ADVERTISING. SO I DID GO TO THE MIDDLEBURGH CLAY HILL ADVISORY AND THEY VOTED 6-0 TO APPROVE. I RECOMMEND APPROVAL BASED ON THE CRITERIA, THE CODE AND THE CONSISTENCY WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. SO I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE ON THIS.

>> ALL RIGHT. VERY GOOD.

I'LL OPEN IT UP FOR PUBLIC HEARING.

>> I THINK YOU WANT TO SPEAK ON THE

NEXT ONE. >> NUMBER 18, I THINK.

>> OKAY OPINION. >>

>> THIS IS NUMBER 17, I THINK.

>> ANYONE ELSE WANT TO SPEAK ON NUMBER 17? ALL RIGHT. SEEING NONE.

I'LL TAKE A MOTION.

>> MOVE FOR APPROVAL.

>> SECOND.

>> A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR

SAY AYE. >> AND ALL OPPOSED?

[18. Final Public Hearing to consider PUD 25-0006. (District 1, Comm. Sgromolo) (J. Bryla)]

PASSES 4-0.

>> NUMBER 18, WE HAVE FINAL PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER PUD 25-0006 AND WAS THERE ANY OTHER EX PARTE DISCLOSURES HERE?

>> MADAM CHAIR, I SPOKE TO TWO RESIDENTS REGARDING THIS ZONING AND THE DEVELOPER REPRESENTATIVE.

>> OKAY. ANYONE ELSE? ALL RIGHT.

. >> YES, MA'AM. JENNY BRYLA, ZONING CHIEF HERE TO REPRESENT 25-0006. TWO PORTIONS OF PARCELS TO CREATE A 7.8- ACRE TRACK THAT WOULD LIKE TO BUILD 26 DETACHED SINGLE- FAMILY HOMES, SO THIS WOULD CHANGE THE EXISTING RE ZONING DISTRICT TO PUD.

THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED ON THE NORTH SIDE OF COUNTY ROAD 220 AND IN BETWEEN HUTCHINSON ROAD WHICH IS A DIRT ROAD AND GLEN MORROW DRIVE BY ANOTHER SINGLE-FAMILY TO THE NORTH. IT IS URBAN CORE TEN WHICH ALLOWS A MAXIMUM OF TEN UNITS AND THAT IS ATTENDED FOR HIGHER DENSITIES WITH A MAXIMUM, AS I SAID WITH POINTS AND CLUSTERING.

THIS PROPOSED DEVELOPMENTDEVELOP MENT GOING TO BE APPROXIMATELY 3. 3 UNITS TO THE ACRE.

SO HERE, YOU CAN SEE THE PARCELS ACCUMULATED TO CREATE THE TEN OR THE 7. 88 ACRES. ON THE LEFT, YOU SEE THE 1 AR PARCEL THAT WAS CUT FOR A PORTION OF THE LAND AND THEN ON THE RIGHT YOU CAN SEE THE PUD LANDS THAT WERE -- THAT WERE MOVING FORWARD.

SO IN CONVERSATIONS, THE APPLICANT DID GO TO DRC AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND BASED ON THOSE COMMENTS, THEY HAVE REWORKED THE SITE PLAN.

AND SO, AS YOU'RE AWARE, PUDS ARE REQUIRED TO

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PROVIDE SOMETHING ABOVE THE BASIC CODE AND THIS PUD IS ESSENTIALLY PUTTING ALL OF THE PROPERTIES ON WATER AND SEWER WHICH CURRENTLY THEY'RE ON WELL AND SEPTIC.

THEY'RE PROVIDING RIGHT OF WAY DEDICATION. THEY'RE IMPROVING HUTCHINSON ROAD TO THE POINT AS IT ENTERS INTO THIS PROPERTY.

IT'S CURRENTLY A ONE WAY -- I THINK IT'S AN 18- FOOT WIDE AND IT ONLY ACCOMMODATES ONE- WAY TRAFFIC. SO IT WILL BE A TWO- WAY 60- FOOT CODE COMPLIANT RIGHT OF WAY. IT'S INCORPORATING STORM WATER SYSTEMS, 50- FOOT WIDE LOTS AND A 60-FOOT BUILDING COVERAGE IN ADDITION TO RECREATION ON EACH POD THERE THAT YOU SEE. AGAIN, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CHANGE FROM AR ZONING TO PUD TO CREATE 26 DETACHED SINGLE- FAMILY HOMES.

THE STAFF DID ANALYZE THE CRITERIA IN THE CODE AND FOUND THAT IT WAS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

THERE IS NO CITIZENS ADVISORY COMMITTEE FOR THE COUNTY. IT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE PLAN BASED ON THE FINDINGS AND THE REPORT. IN REVIEWING THE PROPOSED APPLICATION FOR REZONING, THE FOLLOWING CRITERIA MAY BE CONSIDERED WHETHER THE PROPOSED CHANGE WILL BE AN ISOLATED DISTRICT, UNRELATED OR INCOMPATIBLE WITH THE ADJACENT NEARBY DISTRICTS AND THE APPLICATION FOR REZONING CHANGES THIS INTO A MORE CONSISTENT BASED ON THE LAND REZONING. IT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND CRITERIA.

>> SO I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE.

>> WHAT'S THE CURRENT ZONING FOR IT?

>> RE.

>> AND WHAT IS THAT?

>> IT ALLOWS FOR SMALLER PROPERTIES. IT'S ONE OF OUR TINIER

DISTRICTS. >> HOW MANY DOES IT ALLOW?

>> IT'S PRETTY CONSISTENT WITH THE THREE, BUT LET ME CONFIRM FOR YOU.

>> THREE UNITS FOR EACH ACRE.

>> BUT WITH THE UC-10, IF THEY HAD THE POINTS THEN THEY CAN

ELEVATE THAT. >> WHY WOULD THEY WANT TO CHANGE IT?

>> TO PUD. TO GET MORE COVERAGE, THE LOT COVERAGE IN RE IS ONLY 30% WHICH IS VERY SMALL LOT COVERAGE WHEN YOU CONSIDER THE FIELD OF SOME OF THE OTHER AREAS ARE MUCH HIGHER THAN THAT.

50% MORE. WHICH IS EVERYTHING UNDER THE ROOF SO THAT INCLUDES SHEDS, PORCHES.

>> CLARIFYING QUESTION, MADAM CHAIR. SO WITH RE THEY CAN DO 21 UNITS IF IT'S THREE PER ACRE?

>> WITH RE --

>> SEVEN ACRES?

>> RIGHT. I'M LOOKING BECAUSE IT'S UC- 10 WHICH ALLOWS FOR TEN UNITS TO THE ACRE.

>> UC-10 IS THE CURRENT LAND USE? OKAY.

>> OH, THERE IT IS. SO SIX UNITS TO THE ACRE.

>> CURRENTLY? >> YES, SIR.

>> WITH AN RE UC-10 LAND USE COMBINATION.

>> MADAM CHAIR, THE REAL BENEFIT TO THE PUD IS THE SEWER AND WATER, IN MY OPINION.

>> AND THE RIGHT OF WAY. I WOULD ADD TO THAT, AS WELL.

>> JUST SO THE PUBLIC UNDERSTAND, THEY CAN BUILD NO MATTER WHAT. THEY CAN BUILD THREE, IT DOESN'T MATTER.

>> THEY CAN BUILD SIX AS IT IS.

>> SO COMMISSIONER RENNINGER, THAT'S A GOOD POINT.

THAT'S THE QUESTION I HAVE. SO IF THEY DON'T GO TO RE -- EXCUSE ME, IF THEY DON'T GO TO PUE, THEY CANNOT GET SEWER

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AND WATER UNDER RE.

>> THEY CAN.

>> THEY CAN? OKAY. I GUESS, WHAT WAS YOUR POINT?

>> THEY'D HAVE TO BEAR THE COST TO BRING IT IN.

>> IT'S REALLY EXPENSIVE.

>> THEY'RE DEVELOPING A PUD, THEN YOU HAVE TO GO ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT THE REQUIREMENT IS AND WITH THE PUD THEY CAN COVER MORE OF THE ACREAGE WITH HOUSING, BUT THEY HAVE THE DEVELOPER PAYS FOR THE SEWER AND WATER. THEY PAY FOR THAT HOOKUP.

THIS CURRENTLY HAS SOME MOBILE HOMES ON IT RIGHT NOW?

>> YES, SIR. AND THEY'RE ALL WELL AND SEPTIC. SO THEY'LL CLEAN UP THE WHOLE

7.88 ACRES. >> AND IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, JENNY. FOR ALL OF THESE FAMILIES WHO ARE STILL ON SEPTIC AND WELL SYSTEMS, THOSE SYSTEMS ARE AGING OUT AND AS I UNDERSTAND IT, IT'S 20K PER SEPTIC TANK.

>> I JUST KNOW IT WOULD -- WE'RE NOT ALLOWING FOR -- IF THERE'S SEWER IN PROXIMITY, WE'RE NOT ALLOWING THEM TO DO WELL WITH SEPTIC ANYMORE AND THEY STR TO HOOK UP TO THE SEWER

SYSTEM. >> IT WAS FOR YOUR EDIFICATION AND IT'S STATUTORY AND IT'S ROUGHLY, 20, $25,000 TO REPLACE THOSE. THEY WOULD HAVE TO HOOK UP ANYWAY. YES, MA'AM.

>> THEY WANT ARE WOULD HAVE TO GO.

>> ANYONE ELSE?

>> ALL RIGHT. WE'LL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING. COLONEL DAVIS?

>> AT LAST. MY NAME IS COLONEL WEBSTER DAVIS, JR. JOYCE AND I LIVE AT 1466 HUTCHINSON ROAD. 32068.

WE ARE CONCERNED WITH THAT PORTION OF THE REZONING THAT IS WEST. YOU'VE GOT TWO PARCELS WE'RE CONCERNED WITH AND IN LOOKING AT THE PICTURE, THE ONE ON THE LEFT THAT ACTUALLY TOUCHES HUTCHINSON

ROAD. >> AND WE ARE REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT SEVERAL THINGS, NUMBER ONE, THE ENTRANCE, THE PROPOSAL -- IT LOOKS LIKE A KIND OF A FORK OR A "Y," AS YOU ENTER, IMMEDIATELY THERE IS A PROPOSED ROAD GOING TO THE 13 HOUSES TO BE BUILT THERE AND THE REST OF THE ROAD IS NOT A DIRT ROAD AS IT SAYS ON THE PAPERWORK HERE.

THEY'VE DONE A NICE JOB AND IT IS ONE WAY, WE DO HAVE LITTLE PULLOUT AREAS WHERE A CAR IS COMING OUT.

A CAR STARTS AND IT PULLS OFF TO THE RIGHT AND LETS THE OUTGOING CAR PASS. THAT'S A COURTESY THING.

BUT THE TRAFFIC SITUATION THERE, PARTICULARLY, GOING AHEAD IN THE MORNINGS AND IN THE EVENINGS, WE FEEL LIKE IS REALLY GOING TO POSE A PROBLEM WITH THE PEOPLE COMING HOME, PARTICULARLY IN THE AFTERNOON, COMING HOME, HEADING WEST ON 220 AND WANTING TOTO IN AND THEN IMMEDIATELY TURNING RIGHT INTO THE NEW DRIVEWAY, SO TO SPEAK, NEW STREET, AND OUR OLD ROAD DOWN WHERE WE LIVE AND WE'RE THE THIRD HOUSE DOWN ON THE LEFT AS YOU GO IN TO THE ROAD AND THESE HOUSES SEEMS LIKE TO US SEEMS LIKE AN AWFUL LOT OF HOMES IN A RELATIVELY SMALL AREA.

THE TRAFFIC SITUATION OF THEIR LEADING IN THE MORNINGS AND COMING HOME IN THE AFTERNOONS, WE REALLY BELIEVE IS GOING TO POSE A PROBLEM DOWN THE

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ROAD, AND I THINK IF THERE'S ANY WAY IN THE WORLD YOU CAN CHANGE THAT TO MAKE IT MORE CONVENIENT FOR BOTH WE WHO LIVE THERE AND THE NEW PEOPLE, NOW IS THE TIME TO THINK ABOUT IT.

WE'RE ALSO SOMEWHAT CONCERNED ABOUT THE TYPE OF HOMES THAT ARE GOING THERE.

THE BUILDING SITE SHOWS SME AWFULLY SMALL LOTS WHICH WILL GENERATE, OF COURSE, SMALL HOUSES, AND WE'RE WONDERING IF THE HOUSES ARE GOING TO BE DEED, OWNED OR LIVED-IN HOMESHOMES RENTAL HOMES? WE WANT TO EMPHASIZE THAT WE'VE GOT NOTHING AGAINST RENTAL HOME, BUT THAT MANY HOMES IN SUCH A CONCISE AREA WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A PROBLEM NOT ONLY WITH THE TRAFFIC, BUT OTHER THINGS LIKE GARBAGE COLLECTION AND THE WAY THE PEOPLE HAVE TO GET OUT OF HUTCHINSON ROAD ALSO BECAUSE TO GET OUT WE HAVE TO TURN RIGHT TO GO WEST AND OF COURSE, WE WANT TO GO EAST WE TURN LEFT AND TURNING LEFT IS ALREADY A PROBLEM FOR THOSE OF US IN --

>> YOU CAN FINISH UP.

>> IT'S A BIG PROBLEM, AND WE FEEL LIKE WE'RE BEING SMOTHERED AND WE REALLY NEED TO THINK ABOUT THIS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

? THANK YOU.

>> NEXT UP, KAY MCBRIDE? MY NAME IS KAY M CBRIDE --

>> BRING THE MICROPHONE TO YOUR MOUTH SO WE CAN HEAR YOU.

>> KAY MCBRIDE, I LIVE ON HUTCHINSON ROAD ON THE CORNER OF HUTCHINSON AND 220 IN MILBURN, FLORIDA.

THE CONCERN WE HAVE IS THIS PROPERTY.

THERE HAS BEEN A BUILDING BOOM ALL OF A SUDDEN IN THAT PROPERTY AND BEYOND ON 220, THERE IS A SUBDIVISION IN THE MAKING ALREADY WITH 80 HOUSES GOING UP THAT I HAVE BEEN TOLD, AND THE ROAD WOULD COME OUT TO 220 AND THERE'S ALSO A SUBDIVISION RIGHT NEXT TO THAT.

GLEN LAUREL WILL ALSO COME OUT TO 220, WITH THESE TWO NEW PARCELS THAT ARE WANTING TO BE BUILT, THEY PLAN ON ANOTHER EXIT TO 220, AND THEN IS IT THE ONE ON HUTCHINSON ROAD AND THEN THEY WILL TURN ON 220. THERE'S ALSO A 200 -- A 200- LAND SUBDIVISION ACROSS THE STREET WHICH COMES ON 220 AND IT IS BEGINNING TO BE HARD TO EVEN GET OUT NOW AND TO BACK UP BETWEEN 220 AND ON THE NIGHT BOX ROAD AND THE BRIDGE DOWN THERE AND THERE IS THE BACKUP HAS ALWAYS BEEN DOWN BY MY STREET TO HUTCHINSON AND BEYOND AT DIFFERENT TIMES.

THESE ARE SOME OLD PICTURES THAT I HAVE OF THE STREET WAY BACK. I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT THE WATER FLOW WHEN THEY DEVELOP THESE THINGS BECAUSE I KNOW IT'S A DIRT ROAD AND THEY DID GRAVEL IT LIGHTLY WHICH IS GOOD, BUT THE WATER SYSTEM -- THERE'S A DITCH, AND IF YOU HAVE OTHER THINGS, THERE'S NOT EVEN A CULVERT, NOT THERE WHERE THEY WANT TO BUILD THESE HOUSES WHEN THEY COME OUT. SO I DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY'RE PLANNING ON COMING OUT ON THIS LAND TO HUTCHINSON ROAD, AND IT'S JUST HARD TO BE A FAN IF ALL THESE HOUSES ARE THERE. I'VE LIVED THERE 30 YEARS, AND I HAVE AN ACRE AND A HALF, AND I'VE SEEN A LOT OF CHANGE E BUT THE WATER SYSTEM DOES CREATE A PROBLEM AT TIMES.

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THANK YOU. >> MISS MCBRIDE, REAL QUICK. QUESTION ABOUT THE PHOTOS.

WERE THOSE FROM HURRICANE IRMA.

>> YES. I TOOK THOSE A LONG TIME AGO.

NOT ANY ARE RECENT.

>> ANYONE ELSE?

>> YEAH. YES, MA'AM.

>> GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS. MI NAME IS TRAVIS SIMPSON.

I'M THE APPLICANT. THE SELLER ACTUALLY -- MR. AND MRS. BRAY. MR. BRAY FELL UNDER THE WEATHER, OKAY, BUT HE -- I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY A COUPLE OF THINGS.

HE ACTUALLY LIVES DOWN HUTCHINSON AS WELL.

HE'S GOT FAMILY DOWN THAT ROAD AND GRANTED, HE'S GOING TO, YOU KNOW, SELL THE PROPERTY AND MAKE A PROFIT, RIGHT? HE DOESN'T HAVE ANY CONCERN ABOUT THE TRAFFIC AND THE MAIN REASON IS BECAUSE THIS NEIGHBORHOOD'S NOT GOING TO GO PAST A CERTAIN POINT DOWN HUTCHINSON. THE CARS HAVE NO VALID REASON TO GO PAST THAT NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE THERE'S NO ENTRY DOWN HUTCHINSON.

THEY'LL HAVE TO GO DOWN AND TURN AROUND AND COME BACK OUT.

I DON'T THINK THERE WILL BE TRAFFIC IN FRONT OF THE NEIGHBOR'S HOUSES. EXIT AND ENTRY. WE'RE TALKING 13 HOMES AND THAT'S NOT REALISTIC AND COULD THERE BE A COUPLE OF EXTRA CARS POTENTIALLY FOR SURE, BUT I THINK YOU CAN ALSO MAYBE ARGUE THAT THE NEW EXIT/ENTRY WE'LL BE CREATING WILL MAKE IT SAFER. RATHER THAN HAVE IT A TWO- WAY AND THEN ONE LANE YOU'LL HAVE A SOLID TWO- LANE CAR TRAFFIC THERE.

SO I THINK YOU CAN EVEN MAKE THAT ARGUMENT THAT IT COULD MAKE IT SAFER FOR THE CURRENT RESIDENTS GETTING IN AND OUT BECAUSE OF THAT.

THE -- THERE ARE OTHER QUESTIONS.

WE DID CONSIDER OTHER OPTIONS JUST AS AN FYI.

WE DID CONSIDER IT COMING OUT OF THE LANE AND I DID CALL PULTE.

THEY OWN THE LAND RIGHT NEXT TO IT. THAT WAS THE INITIAL OPTION, ACTUALLY, WAS TO COME OFF OF THERE AND SO THIS IS THE ONLY ONE THAT'S FEASIBLE AT THIS POINT ON THE WEST PARCEL, AND TO JENNY'S POINT, THE CURRENT ZONING AND THE LOT COVERAGE IS JUST -- IT'S -- IT LIMITS THE PRODUCT, YOU KNOW? IT -- THE TYPE OF HOUSE AND HOW MUCH SQUARE FOOTAGE, IT WOULD BE VERY LIMITED.

YOU'D HAVE MUCH SMALLER PRODUCT.

>> WOULD YOU ADDRESS THE DRAINAGE ISSUE? THE MAYOR IS CONCERNED ABOUT IT, AS WELL, AS FAR AS WHAT TYPE OF HOMES YOU'LL HAVE WHEN IT'S OVER?

>> SURE. DRAINAGE, THAT WILL BE WORKED OUT WITH THE COUNTY AND THE ENGINEER. WE'RE NOT GOING TO CREATE SOMETHING AND IS IT A GOOD DRC. I BELIEVE SOMEONE LIVES ON GLEN LAUREL DRIVE FROM THE NEW PULTE DEVELOPMENT AND WE'LL HAVE TO ADDRESS WHERE THE WATER GOES ON FROM THE EAST PARCEL.

THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT AND THERE WILL BE ACCOMMODATIONS AND, AND I CAN'T TELL YOU REIT NOW.

>> IT'S NOT 100%, I'M THE DEVELOPER, BUT NOT THE BUILDER.

IT WILL BE WHOEVER TAKES ON THOSE FINISHED LOTS.

IT COULD GO EITHER WAY. SO -- BUT, CONTRARY TO POPULAR BELIEF ON SOME OF THIS, EVEN WITH RENTALS, THEY REALLY DON'T, IF YOU READ UP ON ARTICLE, THEY DON'T LOWER PROPERTY VALUE LIKE PEOPLE THINK THEY DO.

THERE'S, YOU KNOW, YEAH, YOU FEEL LIKE MAYBE THERE'S MORE OWNERSHIP AND SOMEONE OWNS IT, BUT IT'S NOT AS MUCH AS A DETRIMENT AS PEOPLE THINK.

THEY WILL BE NICE HOMES, I CAN TELL YOU THAT, BUT EXACTLY WHAT THAT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE, I DON'T KNOW FOR SURE AT THIS

POINT. >> MADAM CHAIR, I HAVE CLARIFYING QUESTIONS. A COUPLE

OF THINGS. >> HUTCHINSON ROAD, IS THAT A PUBLIC ROAD OR IS THAT A PRIVATE ROAD?

>> IT'S PRIVATE AND THAT'S PART OF THE RIGHT-OF- WAY DEDICATION TO THE COUNTY.

>> AND YOU SAID THE LAND OWNER IS A RESIDENT ON HUTCHINSON

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ROAD? >> HE LIVES DOWN ON THE RIGHT AND HE'S GOT OTHER FAMILY ON THE RIGHT SIDE THERE, YEAH, DOWN THE WEST PARCEL.

>> THE IMPROVEMENT TO THE WEST PARCEL, HOW -- HOW DEEP WILL THE TWO- LANE ENTRYWAY INTO THE NEW ROAD, ESSENTIALLY, HOW DEEP DOES THAT GO? HOW DEEP WILL THAT GO?

>> I DON'T KNOW OFFHAND. ASK IT HAVE IT ON THE SITE PLAN ON THERE?

>> IT WILL GO PAST THE INTERSECTION INTO THE DEVELOPMENT, HOW FAR THAT TAPER WILL BE, WILL BE DETERMINED PROBABLY BY THE COUNTY ENGINEER AS WE GO THROUGH DRC WITH IT.

>> AND WE DO HAVE A SURVEY, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT NUMBER IS. I'D HAVE TO LOOK AT IT.

>> THE APPLICANT HAS BEEN ADVISED THAT THE ENTIRE PARCEL UP TO THE PROPERTY LINE WILL BE DEVELOPED WITH A TWO- LANE, 24- FOOT WIDE SIDEWALK ON BOTH SIDES, 60-FOOT RIGHT OF WAY, AND IT WILL BE COUNTY, DEDICATED TO THE COUNTY AND MAINTAINED.

>> ESSENTIALLY, RICHARD, WHAT THAT WOULD BE, IT WOULD BE A PUBLIC PORTION GOING INTO THE 13 HOME, BUT THEN THE PRIVATE ROAD WOULD REMAIN PRIVATE.

>> AND THE PRIVATE ROAD IS PRESCRIPTIVE.

THAT WAS MILLED BY THE COUNTY THIS PAST YEAR, BUT THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT DID THAT, AND WE HAVE CONTROL OF THE PART WE TOUCH. NOW IF THE RESIDENTS ARE BEHIND THERE CHOOSE TO SAYSAY DON'T WANT THAT TO BE PUBLIC.

>> THE FIRST PORTION TO THE PARCEL MIGHT BE INCLUDED AS IT WENT ON WITH ANY PROJECT THAT WAS ON THE IMPROVED ROAD.

>> ON THE LARGE MAP, THE TWO CIRCULAR AREA, IS THAT STORM WATER OR IS THAT THE RECREATION

PIECE? >> ARE YOU SPEAKING OF THE WHITE ON THE MAP?

>> IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S GREEN. I CAN'T READ IT OUT.

IT'S ALL JUMBLED.

>> THERE ARE STORM WATER PONDS THAT ARE GOING TO BE

REQUIRED. >> THAT WAS MY NEXT

QUESTION. >> HE HAS ENLARGED CUL-DE- SACS TO ACCOMMODATE FIRE AND RESCUE.

>> GOT IT.

>> SO THEY WILL BE BUILDING THESE STORM WATER

PONDS. >> YES, SIR.

THEY HAVE RECREATION ADJACENT TO THE

STORMWATER PONDS. >> TRAVIS, WOULD THAT BE LIKE A

PARK? >> YES.

>> WE'VE GOT PLAYGROUNDS ON THE EAST SIDE PARCEL, WE'RE DOING A WALKWAY AROUND THE POND AND THESE ARE ALL ABOVE WHAT WOULD BE REQUIRED GENERALLY, AND THEN I THINK A PICNIC TABLE, BIKE RACK AND THAT'S THE GIST OF IT.

THE ONLY OTHER THING I WOULD POINT OUT IS WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE, WE COULD HAVE COME IN HERE TODAY WITH TOWN HOMES. WE COULD HAVE COME WITH TWO, TWO AND A HALF, AND I DON'T THINK IT'S BASED ON WHAT'S ADJACENT, AND IT REALLY FITS IN WITH ALL OF THAT.

I THINK INDEPENDENT THAT REGARD IT'S PRETTY REASONABLE.

>> THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS I

HAVE RIGHT NOW. >> ANYONE ELSE? THANKS.

>> I WOULD LIKE TO SAY TO COLONEL DAVIS AND MISS MCBRIDE AND THE FAMILIES, I GET IT, TRUST ME. THIS IS HAPPENING IN MY DISTRICT EVERYWHERE, AND I KNOW YOU KNOW IN CLAY COUNTY, WE HAVE PEOPLE MOVING HERE DAILY.

WE HAVE DEVELOPMENTS COMING UP, AND UNFORTUNATELY, WHEN A LAND OWNER SELLS TO A DEVELOPER, THAT'S WHAT THEY DO, AND YOU KNOW, I ALWAYS TELL MY PEOPLE I'D LIKE TO BE ABLE TOY BAH BUY UP ALL THIS LAND MYSELF, BUT WE CAN'T DO THAT. THEY CAN PUT SIX UNITS PER ACRE, YOU KNOW? WE'RE KIND OF STUCK BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT IT ALLOWS ALREADY. THEY CAN PUT THIS HERE ALREADY.

SO IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY HAVE TO MAKE SURE THE DRAINAGE IS CORRECT. THEY HAVE TO -- YOU KNOW, THE WORDING IS YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO PUT WATER ON PROPERTY THAT HASN'T ALREADY BEEN THERE AND HOPEFULLY IT WILL HELP YOUR DRAINAGE FROM THE PICTURES I SAW. THEY'LL HAVE TO PUT CULVERTS IN AND THEY'LL HAVE TO DO ALL THAT.

I UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERN. DEFINITELY.

IT WOULD BE NICE TO NOT HAVE IT, BUT THE PROPERTY HAS SOLD, YOU KNOW? SO I JUST WANT TO LET YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND.

I HAVE ON MY ROAD, 99 HOMES CAN COME IN RIGHT NOW, AND I CAN'T DO ANYTHNG ABOUT IT, SO IT'S HAPPENING EVERYWHERE, AND I TRULY UNDERSTAND YOUR

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CONCERN AND FRUSTRATION WITH IT. I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT. AND WITH THAT, I'LL TAKE A MOTION IF WE DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER DISCUSSIONS.

>> I'D JUST LIKE TO ADD A FEW THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, DOING THIS IS A VERY DELICATE BALANCE, AS THE DEVELOPER MENTIONED, I THINK I REALLY APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT YOU DID YOUR DUE DILIGENCE IN TRYING TO TIE INTO THE AREA OR THE CURRENT EXISTING NEIGHBORHOOD THERE BECAUSE THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN OPTIMAL.

THAT CHANGES CONSIDERABLY, BUT WITH THAT BEING SAID THE IMPROVEMENTS TO THE ENTRYWAY HELPS AND THE STORM WATER INFRASTRUCTURE HELPS AND THE TYING IN TO SEWER HELPS AND ONE THING, I THINK THAT I'VE HEARD A LOT OF PEOPLE FROM MY GENERATION IS FINDING HOUSING THAT CAN BECOME SOMEWHAT AFFORDABLE, YOU KNOW, FOR PEOPLE THAT GRADUATE COLLEGE AND WOULD LIKE TO BUY A SMALLER HOME LIKE THIS. THERE ARE NOT A WHOLE BUNCH OF THESE IN CLAY COUNTY. SO IT'S A -- IT'S A -- FOR ME IT'S A TOUGH ONE, BUT I THINK THIS ONE CHECKS ENOUGH BOXES TO MOVE APPROVAL SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO MOVE APPROVAL.

>> I DIDN'T CLOSE THE PROPER HEARING.

>> SORRY. >> ALL RIGHT.

I HAVE A MOTION.

>> MOVED.

>> SECOND THE MOTION.

>> I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY

AYE. >> AYE.

>> ALL THOSE OPPOSED? AND IT IS -- IT PASSES 4-0.

[19. Final Public Hearing to amend Ord. 2024-48 (Forests and Farms Program) (D. Selig)]

>> ALL RIGHT. WE'LL MOVE ON TO NUMBER 19, FINAL TO AMEND ORDINANCE 2024- 48 WILL CREATE DIVISION 6, FORESTS AND FARMS CONSERVATION LANDS, PROGRAM TRUST FUND WHICH DEFINES A COLLECTION, HANDLING AND USE OF FUNDS FOR THE PURPOSES OF THE FOREST AND FARMS CONSERVATION LANDS PROGRAM.

>> CHIEF PLANNER, YOU REALLY SUMMED IT UP.

THIS IS FAIRLY STRAIGHTFORWARD AND FAIRLY SHORT.

WE HAVE ADOPTED NOW THE FORESTS AND FARMS PROGRAM.

WE NOW NEED TO PUT SOME LANGUAGE INTO OUR CODE THAT ADDRESSES RECEIVING FUNDS AND HANDLING THOSE AND HOW WE DODO THAT.

SO THAT'S REALLY THE PURPOSE OF THIS.

>> ALL RIGHT. DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?

>> ANY QUESTIONS?

>> ALL RIGHT. I WILL TALK

A MOTION. >>

PUBLIC HEARING? >> OPENING PUBLIC HEARING. ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK?

>> MY NAME IS HELENA KORMERE. THANK YOU FOR HELPING US UNDERSTAND ALL OF THE THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON. WHEN I WAS READING THROUGH THIS ONE, OBVIOUSLY, WE SEE THAT IT SEEMS LIKE I'M ASSUMING THAT THIS WAS PART OF THE PERCENTAGE AND THE MONEY THAT THE TAX, THE VOTERS HAD APPROVED ON DOING FOR CONSERVATION, AND WE ARE GRATEFUL FOR THAT, AND JUST KEEPING IN MIND THAT BEING GOOD STEWARDS OF THIS MONEY AND WHEN IT'S BEING SPENT AND WHEN IT'S DONE IS SO IMPORTANT ESPECIALLY IF WE EVER HAVE TO GO TO THE VOTERS AGAIN ON OTHER THINGS FOR THEM TO VOTE ON AND APPROVE TO PUT FUNDING IN.

I WISH I DIDN'T READ IN THERE ABOUT THE STEWARDSHIP AND THE STEWARDSHIP DISTRICT, BUT IT IS IN THERE. I DO HOPE THAT WE DON'T CONTINUE TO HAVE THOSE, BUT I THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING THAT YOU ALL ARE DOING AND THERE TRULY IS A LOT GOING ON WITH THIS.

THE VERBIAGE IN THERE, AND READING IT AND TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IS IMPORTANT TO ME AND TO OTHER PEOPLE, TOO. SO THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE? ALL RIGHT. I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. BRING IT BACK TO THE BOARD.

AND TAKE A MOTION.

>> MOVE FOR APPROVAL.

>> SECOND THE MOTION.

>> I HAVE A MOTION ASK A SECOND.

>> AND WE WILL GO BACK TO NUMBER 15. REQUEST FOR PROSPECTIVE BUYER FOR LIEN REDUCTION FOR

>> ANY OPPOSED?

>> IT PASSES 4-0.

[15. Request for Prospective Buyer Lien Reduction for Vilson Gjuraj (C. Stewart)]

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VILSON GJURAJ. SHANE IS NOT HERE.

>> GOOD EVENING. WHO YOU WANT ME TO START WITH.

>> THIS PROPERTY IS 5207 SWEAT ROAD.

THERE IS AN ACCRUING FINE IN THE AMOUNT OF $25 A DAY THAT BEGAN AUGUST 16, 2024 AS OF TODAY, THE FINE TOTAL IS $10,775, BUT WILL CONTINUE TO ACCRUE UNTIL THE VIOLATION IS CORRECTED.

THE STAFF COST IS ROUGHLY $1620 AT THIS POINT. THE PROSPECTIVE BUYER PLANS TO TREMENDOUSLY ENHANCE THE PROPERTY, IF THE LEAN IS REDUCED TO ALLOW HIM TO PURCHASE THE PROPERTY WITH A CLEAR TITLE.

HE PLANS TO PURCHASE THIS AS A SINGLE-FAMILY HOME FOR HIS FAMILY. THEY ARE REQUESTING IT TO BE REDUCED TO $500. THE PURCHASE PROPERTY IS $100,000.

THE 2023- 24 TAXES HAVE NOT BEEN PAID.

ONE OF THE CONDITIONS OF THE SALE AGREEMENT IS THAT THE SELLER'S NET PROCEEDS TAKE CARE OF THE PROP JECT TAXES FOR 2023, 2024, 2023.

>> THE 2023 TAX TAXES ARE -- THEY ARE $652.25.

THE CURRENT PROPERTY OWNER, MR. MAYO OWNS SEVEN PROPERTIES. OF THE SEVEN THREE OF THE SEVEN HAVE CODE ENFORCEMENT LIENS AND ONE OF THEM BEING THIS PARTICULAR PROPERER. IT IS APPROVED BY THE BOARD ASK ONCE THE STIPULATIONS ARE MET AND THE LIEN REDUCED AMOUNT IS PAID, A RELEASE OF LIEN WOULD BE ISSUED TO RELEASE THE LIEN FOR THIS CASE AND RELEASE A LIEN ON THE PROPER -- ON THIS PROPERTY ONLY. THE TWO ADDITIONAL LIENS AGAIN ST MR. MAYO WILL REMAIN IN EFFECT UNTIL THE VIOLATIONS ON EACH PROPERTY ARE CORRECTED.

>> I HAVE A QUESTION. IS THE CURRENT OWNER HERE?

>> NO.

>> HAS THE CURRENT OWNER DONE ANYTHING TO IMPROVE THIS PROPERTY SINCE THE CODE ENFORCEMENT ACTION HAS BEEN TAKEN?

>> NO, SIR. >> HOW ABOUT THE OTHER TWO

PROPERTIES? >> NO, SIR.

SO HE'S JUST BEEN NEGLIGENT IN DOING ANYTHING TO CORRECT THE PROBLEMS ON THE THREE PROPERTIES HE OWNS?

>> IT WOULD APPEAR THAT WAY.

>> ARE YOU THE -- ARE YOU TRYING TO BUY THE PROPERTY?

>> YES, SIR. YES, SIR.

>> COMMISSIONER RANGER, I'M ONBOARD WITH YOU.

I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW WE'RE SUPPOSED TO LET SOMEONE OFF THE HOOK WITH A LIEN WHEN YOU'VE GOT TWO OTHER ONES SUMMING $140,000 AND YOU'RE GOING TO PROFIT OFF THE SALE OF A PROPERTY WITH A LIEN. IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME.

>> MAKES NO SENSE TO ME.

>> THIS IS OUR OPPORTUNITY IF THE SALE GOES THROUGH TO RECOVER THAT LIEN ON THIS PROPERTY, IS THAT CORRECT?

YES, SIR. >> INSTEAD OF KICKING THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD JUST LIKE CURRENT OWNER IS RIGHT

NOW. >> THIS IS THE $12,000 --

10,775. >> THE TOTAL LIEN AS OF OCTOBER

28TH IS $12,670. >> YES.

>> JUST TO BE CLEAR, THAT INCLUDES THE STAFF COST, THAT'S WHY IT'S THE 12,000.

>> OKAY. SO THE LIEN IS 10,000 --

>> I SEE IT NOW. DO YOU THINK YOU CAN COME UP WITH SOME SORT OF SALE AGREEMENT WHERE THE PORTION OF THE SALE PRICE 12,670 WOULD COME BACK TO THE COUNTY AND THEN YOU GET THE PROPERTY?

>> JUST TO GIVE YOU GUYS A LITTLE BIT OF OF A BACKGROUND, BASED ON MY CONVERSATIONS WITH THE CURRENT OWNER AND -- I LIVE IN MANDARIN CURRENTLY, BUT I WORK IN GREENCO.

THE COMMUTE IS 30, 40 MINUTES EACH WAY DEPENDING ON TRAFFIC, AND I'VE BEEN LOOKING FOR ONE OR TWO ACRES FOR THE PAST YEAR OR SO. MY DAD AND MY UNCLE THEY OWN A PIECE OF PROPERTY ON SWEAT ROAD TOWARD THE END AND THAT'S WHEN I SAW THE END. IT WASN'T FOR SALE.

IT WAS VACANT AND A BUD OF MINE HAPPENED TO KNOW HIM AND I ASKED IF HE HAD CONTACT INFORMATION, AND I REACHED OUT TO HIM.

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OBVIOUSLY, I SAW THE MOBILE HOME AND SAID HEY, I'M INTERESTED.

WILL YOU BE WILLING TO SELL.

>> GOT BACK TO ME AND SAID YEAH, WE AGREED ON THE PRICE OF $130,000. HE ADMITTED THATTY FOUND OUT RECENTLY THAT -- I HAVEN'T BEEN GETTING THE NOTICES BECAUSE THEY HAVEN'T BEEN GOING TO WHERE I RESIDED. I GUESS HE HAS A PROPERTY WHERE HE WANTS ALL OF THE NOTICES TO GO THERE SO THAT WAS HIS EXCUSE. THIS IS WHAT HE TOLD ME.

SO I SAID, LOOK, HE TOLD ME THAT THE HE GOES TO ALABAMA FREQUENTLY BECAUSE HIS MOM IS -- I DON'T KNOW IF SHE HAS CANCER.

SHE'S BEEN VERY SICK RECENTLY. I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT DETAILS, BUT HE SAID HE'S THERE FREQUENTLY AND THAT'S BEEN ONE OF THE REASONS WHY HE'S FALLEN BACK ON PAYING THE PROPERTY TAXES, AND HE'S HAD A DIFFICULT TWO YEARS, HE TOLD ME.

I SAID LOOK, LET ME GET WITH MY LAWYER AND LET ME VERIFY THAT YOU HAVE THIS LIEN AND MAKE SURE IF YOU ANY OTHER LEANS THAT COME UP AND LET'S GET A CONTRACT AND MINE LAWYER SAID ON THE CODE ENFORCEMENT.

SO THERE ARE CROSS LIENS ON THIS PROPERTY. I TOLD HIM ABOUT THAT. HE SAID I DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THOSE EITHER, MAN. I DIDN'T GET THE NOTICES.

I SAID OKAY, DEREK. I'LL GO TO THE COUNTY AND SPEAK TO THE CODE ENFORCEMENT DEPARTMENT AND LET ME SEE WHAT'S GOING ON. WHAT I CAN DO PERSONALLY, I SAID I'M WILLING TO OFFER YOU THIS, SINCE YOU ARE HAVING FINANCIAL HARD SHIPS I DON'T MIND FRONTING THE MONEY, MEANING IF YOU'RE ABLE TO CLEAR THE PROPERTY, MEANING TAKE THE MOBILE HOMES OUT OF THERE, MAKE THE PROPERTY NICE, MAKE IT LOOK GOOD, I WILL PAY WHATEVER FEES NEED TO BE PAID, PAY THE TAXES UP FRONT, TAKE CARE OF ALL OF THAT. OBVIOUSLY, I'LL DEDUCT THAT FROM THE PURCHASE PRICE, BUT I HAVE TO TALK TO CODE ENFORCEMENT BECAUSE NOW NOT ONLY DOES THIS PROPERTY HAVE A LIEN, THERE ARE CROSS-LIENS. SO I SAID THE ONLY WAY I CAN DO THAT IS IF THE COUNTY SAYS THAT IF YOU CLEAR THISTHIS PROPERTY, GET IT TO CODE WE CAN FREE THIS PROPERTY UP SO YOU CAN PURCHASE IT FREE AND CLEAR, AND THEN HE WAS TELLING ME THAT IF I'M ABLE TO SELL THIS PROPERTY AND GET THIS MONEY THAT THAT WOULD HELP ME OUT TO START WORKING ON THE OTHER PROPERTIES BECAUSE ONE OF THE MAIN REASONS HE HASN'T BEEN ABLE TO MAKE THE ADJUSTMENT IS BECAUSE OF FINANCIALS AND THIS IS WHAT HE'S TELLING ME UPON I SPOKE TO HEATHER AND COMMUNICATED HER BACK ANY FORTH. SHE SAID THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO HAVE THE AUTHORITY PRETTY PRETTY MUCH HAS TO GO IN FRONT OF THE BOARD, DISCUSS WITH THEM AND WE SAY CLEAR THIS PROP ARE THOR UP AND YOU CAN BUY THIS PROPERTY, FREE AND CLEAR. I WAS YOU WERE THE ASSUMPTION AND IT'S ONLY HIS PROPERTY AND DO WHATEVER I CAN AND THERE ARE LEANS AND ALL OF

THAT. >> AS I STAND, THE ONLY WAY I CAN PURCHASE IT IS IF ALL THREE PROPERTIES ARE FREE ND CLEAR.

>> THAT'S NOT TRUE.

>> NO. THE BOARD HAS THE AUTHORITY TO REMOVE WHATEVER LIENS THEY'D LIKE FROM HIS PROPERTY.

>> MAYBE I MISUNDERSTOOD. BECAUSE HE HAS THREE PROPERTIES AND HE HAS LIENS ON EACH ONE PRETTY MUCH THERE ARE CROSS-LIENS ON EACH

PROPERTY. >> CAN YOU EXPLAIN THE CROSS-LIENS AND HOW THAT WORKS?

>> RIGHT. SO THE OTHER PROPERTIES THAT HAVE THE LIENS, WHAT HAPPENED IS THEY ATTACHED TO ALL PROPERTY -- THEY ATTACHED TO THE PROPERTY THAT RENDERED THE VIOLATION AND THEY ALSO ATTACHED TO ANY OTHER PROPERTY THAT'S OWNED BY THAT PROPERTY OWNER.

SO HE OWNS -- I THINK HE OWNS SEVEN PROPERTIES OR SIX PROPERTIES? SEVEN. ALL OF THE PROPERTIES HAVE ALL THREE LIENS.

>> SO IF HE GOES TO SELL ANY OF THE SERVE THIS COMES

UP. >> SO FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY WHAT HE'S ASKING IS A RESOLUTION FOR THE LIEN THAT IS TIED SPECIFICALLY TO THIS PROPERTY AND THEN TO RELEASE ONLY THIS PROPERTY FROM THE OTHER TWO.

>> YEAH. WHICH WE HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO DO, RIGHT? BUT HE WOULD STILL HAVE THE OTHER TWO LIENS.

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YEAH. >> SO GO AHEAD.

SORRY. >> PRETTY MUCH, WHAT I -- MY POINT OF CONTACT WAS HEATHER AT CODE ENFORCEMENT AND THEN I SPOKE TO MR. MAYO. WHAT I'M WILLING TO DO IN THIS SITUATION, OBVIOUSLY WITH CODE ENFORCEMENT THEIR NUMBER ONE TO CLEAR THESE THINGS UP SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO DEAL WITH THESE THINGS LASTING FOREVER AND EVER AND EVER.

I CAN'T VOUCH FOR ALL OF THE OTHER PROPERTY, BUT I CAN DO EVERYTHING IN MY ABILITY BECAUSE I WANT TO BUY THE PROPERTY, TO HELP HIM AT LEAST GET THIS ONE FREE AND CLEAR. I TOLD HIM, LOOK, DEREK, IF YOU GET THE MOBILE HOMES OUT OF THERE II PAY.

ALSO, WAS THERE ANOTHER THING THAT HEATHER TOLD ME, WAS THERE AN AMNESTY PROGRAM THAT IF A PROPERTY HAS CODE ENFORCEMENT VIOLATIONS AND SAY THEIR 10,000 IN FEES AND IF YOU CLEAR THAT PROPERTY AND GET IT TO CODE YOU CAN FILE FOR AN AMNESTY PROGRAM.

THAT WOULD COME TO A MINIMUM OF 1200. POTENTIALLY, IF HE GET THE MOBILE HOMES OUT OF THEREOF AND UP TO CODE AND HE WOULDN'T PAY THE 10,000 OR 12,000. ALL HE'D HAVE TO POTENTIALLY PAY IS $1200 AND THEN THE PROPERTY WOULD BE FREE AND CLEAR. INCLUDING THE PROPERTY

TAXES. >> BUT THAT'S NOT TRUE AS OF NOW BECAUSE ALL THREE ARE CONNECTED.

SO IF WE'RE JUST RELEASING THIS ONE ONLY.

IT DOESN'T MEAN HE'S GETTING AMNESTY FROM THE

OTHERS HERE. >> AMNESTY JUST ON THIS, I BELIEVE. JUST ON THIS PROPERTY BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO --

>> HE CAN'T HAVE HIS CAKE AND EAT IT, TOO.

YOU KNOW WHAT I I'M SAYING?

>> HE CAN'T HAVE AMNESTY JUST ON THE THIS ONE.

>> RIGHT. I'M NOT SURE, HE WOULD HAVE TO APPLY FOR IT AND IT WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS AND HE WOULD HAVE TO CLEAN

THEM UP. >> MAYBE I'M NOT STATING CORRECT. THE AMNESTY PROGRAM, WOULD YOU HAVE TO DO IKE A PROPERTY BY PROPERTY? SAY YOU HAVE SEVEN PROPERTIES AND ALL HAVE LIENS ON THEM. IF YOU WANTED TO CLEAR UP ONE AT A TIME, TO GET APPROVED FOR THE AMNESTY DO YOU NEED TO GET AN APPLICATION FOR ALL SEVEN OR ONE APPLICATION FOR EACH PROPERTY THAT YOU HAVE?

>> AT THIS POINT, HIS PROPERTIES HAVE LIENS ON THEM BECAUSE THEY ALL A TCH. MY UNDERSTANDING OF YOUR PURCHASE AND SALE AGREEMENT IS WHATEVER THE AMOUNT IS THAT THE BOARD DETERMINE, THAT JUST COMES OFF --

>> THAT'S GOING TO BE DEDUCTED.

>> CORRECT. IF THE BOARD MOVES FORWARD, YOU GET THE PROPERTY ASSUMING IT GETS CLEANED UP. THEY DON'T RELEASE THE LIEN UNTIL IT'S CLEAN.

>> RIGHT.

>> IT HAS TO COMPLIANCE WITHIN A SET NUMBER OF DAYS AND IF IT'S CLEAN WITHIN THAT PERIOD OF TIME THEN THE LIEN WOULD BE REDUCED AND YOU'D PAY THE $12,670 , AND IT WOULD COME

OFF. >> THIS IS MY DISTRICT AND THANK YOU FOR COMING AND YOU HAVE TO DO THE DIRTY WORK AND IT AGGRAVATES ME WHENEVER THE OWNER DOESN'T COME AND DOESN'T HAVE TO FACE US, BUT WE SEE THIS ALL OF THE TIME AND THEY ALWAYS SAY THEY DID NOT GET THE MAIL.

AGAIN, IT'S NOT YOUR FAULT, BUT I AM NOT IN FAVOR OF HIM GETTING OFF THE HOOK FOR THE 12,000.

HE STILL HAS TWO OTHER PROPERTIES.

I HAVE PROBABLY THE BIGGEST HEART OF ANYBODY IN HERE. I'M JUST KIDDING. I HAVE A BIG HEART AND I UNDERSTAND MEDICAL ISSUES AND FINANCIAL ISSUES AND ALL THAT. HE HAS SEVEN OTHER PROPERTIES THAT HE CAN SELL. I MEAN, YOU KNOW? THERE GO YOUR FINANCIAL ISSUES. YOU'RE GOING TO COME OUT GOOD EITHER WAY, IT SOUNDS LIKE AND SO THAT'S WONDERFUL.

YOU'LL HAVE A PROPERTY. THE MOBILE HOPE, MY INTEREST WOULD BE TO GET THOSE OUT OF THERE. SO I'M GLAD HE'LL DO THAT, AT LEAST AND THE NEIGHBORS CAN HAVE A BETTER- LOOKING PROPERTY AND YOU'LL HAVE A PROPERTY TO HAVE A HOUSE ON ALSO.

I WOULD THINK IT'S FAIR IF I WOULD ASK FOR A MOTION FOR THE 12,000 TO STAY ON AND THE OTHER PROPERS BE RELEASED AND THEN THE 12,000 WOULD COME OFF OF YOUR FIRST

PRICE. >> MADAM CHAIR, DID YOU SAY THE OTHER PROPERTIES WOULD BE

RELEASED. >> THEY WOULD HAVE TO BE RELEASED FOR HIM TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THIS PROPERTY.

IF THEY DON'T RELEASE IT.

>> I THINK WHAT SHE MEANS IS THAT THE LIENS WOULD BE RELEASED JUST FROM THIS PROPERTY, BUT THE LIENS WOULD STAY IN EFFECT ON

THE OTHER SIX. >> CORRECT. OKAY.

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>> I HAVE ONE QUESTION AND YOU MAY NOT KNOW THE ANSWER.

THE PROPERTY OWNER IS CLAIMING HE'S GOING TO MOVE THE TRAILERS?

>> SO HE HAS NO CHOICE BECAUSE THE CODE ENFORCEMENT ON THIS PROPERTY IS BECAUSE OF THE MOBILE HOMES.

>> RIGHT. UNDERSTAND.

>> BUT HE'S GOING TO MOVE THEM?

>> DID HE DISCUSS WHERE HE'S GOING TO MOVE THOSE TRAILERS?

>> I DON'T KNOW. SO BASED ON -- HE'S INTO --

>> BECAUSE THERE ARE SEVEN OTHER PROPERTIES.

>> I THINK HIS LINE OF WORK HE'S IN -- HE DOES JUNK REMOVAL AND STUFF LIKE THAT AND HE'S IN THE MOBILE HOME WORLD AND HAS CONNECTS. I HONEST TO GOD, I REALLY DON'T

KNOW. >> I UNDERSTAND.

>> HE SAID, MAN, RIGHT NOW I HAVE FINANCIAL ISSUES AND I SAID LOOK, I'M WILLING TO FRONT THE MONEY FOR YOU AND I'LL DEDUCT IT, BUT YOU KNOW -- AND THEN, I DON'T WANT TO COME HERE AND VOUCH FOR HIM BECAUSE I HAVE NO IDEA IF HE GOES THROUGH IF HE'LL TAKE THAT MONEY AND THEN DO WHAT'S RIGHT WHICH IS CLEAR THE OTHER PROPERTIES AND USE THATTHAT WISELY, BUT THAT'S WHAT HE TOLD ME, AND I'M JUST KIND OF RELAYING THE MESSAGE, YOU KNOW? I HAVE NO IDEA, BUT HE'S CLAIMING THAT ONE OF THE MAIN REASONS WHY HE'S FALLEN BEHIND IS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, HE'S FREQUENTLY IN ALABAMA TAKING CARE OF HIS MOM.

HE'S HAD WORK ISSUE, MONEY ISSUES AND THAT'S WHY IT'S GONE DOWNHILL FOR HIM, SO --

>> WHAT I WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU UNDERSTAND IS THAT YOU WOULD BE REQUIRED TO PAY THE LIEN AMOUNT, THE 12,000, AND IT WOULD BE DEDUCTED FROM YOUR PURCHASE AND

SALE AMOUNT. >> CORRECT.

>> AND YOU OR WHOEVER WOULD BE REQUIRED TO BRING THE PROPERTY INTO COMPLIANCE. SO IF HE FAILS TO DO IT THEN YOU WOULD NEED TO DO IT IN ORDER TO HAVE THE LIEN REDUCED ARE.

>> SO THE INNER WORKINGS OF

THAT. >> THIS IS MI Y FIRST RODEO --

>> YOU'RE DOING GREAT.

>> I WANT TO DO EVERYTHING I CAN TO PURCHASE THE PROPERTY AND I WOULD HAVE TO SAY HEY, WHAT WOULD I BE RESPONSIBLE FOR, RIGHT NOW IT'S UNDER HIS NAME. IT'S HIS PROPERTY. THE LIENS ARE UNDER HIS NAME, SO --

>> BUT IF YOU PURCHASED IT. IF YOU PURCHASED IT THE LIEN WILL REMAIN ON THE PROPERTY AND THEN YOU'LL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR IT, AND IT WILL CONTINUE ACCRUING UNTIL --

>> IF I PURCHASE IT WITH THE LIENS IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

>> RIGHT. SO THEN YOU'LL TAKE ON THAT LIEN AND IT WILL CONTINUE AT $25 A

DAY. >> THE PLAN IS NOT TO CLOSE ON THE PROPERTY UNTIL HE -- YEAH.

BECAUSE I WOULD NEVER CLOSE ON THE PROPERTY WITH AND ME HAVING TO TAKE ON ALL THIS BECAUSE WHAT AM I GOING TO DO WITH FOUR MOBILE HOMES?

>> HE NEEDS TO TAKE OFF THE MOBILE HOMES AND THEN YOU PAY THE LIEN.

>> EXACTLY. THE PLAN WAS, IF THE COUNTY GREEN LIGHTS IT YOU TAKE THE MOBILE HOMES OUT, SELL THEM, DO WHATEVER YOU WANT TO DO WITH THEM.

THERE IS OVERGROWN GRASS, BUT THE MOBILE HOMES AND OBVIOUSLY, YOU WOULD HAVE TO MOW THE WHOLE PROPERTY AND CODE ENFORCEMENT WOULD HAVE TO COME IN AND SAY GOOD TO GO, AND PAY THE FINE, PAY THE PROPERTY TAXES AND GOOD TO GO AND THEN I WOULD CLOSE ON THE PROPERTY.

>> HOW LONG OF A PERIOD OF TIME ARE YOU LOOKING FOR?

>> TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, BASED ON WHAT HE'S SAYING, I THINK WITHIN TWO MONTHS IT SHOULD BE DOABLE. IT SHOULD BE QUICKER THAN THAT BECAUSE HE'S CLAIMING SINCE HE'S IN THAT WORLD, HE SHOULD BE ABLE TO MOVE.

SOMEHOW THEY GOT THERE, RIGHT? HOWEVER HE GOT THEM THERE, HE SHOULD BE ABLE TO -- I'M SURE HE DIDN'T BRING THEM THERE WITH A TRAILER. SO HE'S CLAIMING HE COULD BE ABLE TO MOVE THEM PRETTY QUICK AND ONCE THOSE TRAILERS ARE OUT OF THERE IT'S PRETTY MUCH A DONE DEAL. ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS CUT THE GRASS AND HAVE CODE ENFORCEMENT INSPECT IT.

IT WOULD BE GOOD TO GO.

>> I THINK IT COULD BE DONE QUICK, BUT IF QUESTION COULD GET 60 DAYS JUST TO BE SURE BECAUSE SOMETIMES IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO GET A HOLD OF HIM.

I'LL CALL HIM ONE DAY AND HE'S, LIKE, I'M IN ALABAMA, BUT YOU TOLD ME YOU WERE IN FOREST. HE THROWS THE CURVEBALLS AT ME. I'M TRYING TO BE AS HONEST AS I

CAN. >> LISTEN TO ME. IF YOU DON'T CLOSE ON THE PROPERTY UNTIL IT'S CLEARED, NO MONEY TRANSFERS, OKAY? SOMEHOW HE'S GOING TO COME UP WITH MONEY TO MOVE THOSE TRAILERS WHICH HE HASN'T BEEN

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ABLE TO DO IN THE YEAR THAT IT'S UNDER CODE VIOLATION.

>> I THINK --

>> UNLESS YOU'RE GOING TO STROKE A CHECK TO HIM UNDER THE TABLE. I DON'T THINK HE HAS THE MONEY TO DO IT. HE NEEDS THIS MONEY.

SO WHAT I'M SAYING IS YOU DON'T HAVE THE PROPERTY UNTIL YOU PAY FOR IT AND HE'S NOT GOING TO MOVE THE TRAILERS UNTIL HE HAS THE MONEY.

SO SOMEHOW Y'ALL TAKE POSSESSION OF THE PROPERTY, GIVE HIM THE MONEY WITH THE TRAILERS ON IT, AND IF HE DOESN'T MOVE THE TRAILERS, THEY'RE YOURS.

>> I THINK THE TRAILER THING, BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, HE'S INTO THE AUTOMOTIVE WORLD, AND HE HAS THE MEANS TO MOVE. THAT'S WHAT HE'S TOLD ME. I DON'T THINK HE WOULD HIRE AN COMPANY TO MOVE THEM.

>> WHY HASN'T HE MOVED THEM?

>> I DON'T KNOW.

>> I'M TRYING TO HELP YOU OUT

HERE. >> NO, I AGREE 00 100%.

I THINK HE PARKED THEM THERE TO RE- SELL THEM.

I REALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT HIS INTENTIONS ARE WITH THE MOBILE HOMES.

I HAVE NO IDEA, AND I TOLD HIM, I SAID, DEREK, THE ONLY WAY I WOULD MOVE FORWARD IS IF THE COUNTY SAYS IF THIS PROPERTY GETS CLEARED AND THOSE MOBILE HOMES ARE OUT OF THERE THEN WE CAN RELEASE THE LIENS ONLY ON THIS PROPERTY BECAUSE I SAID I CAN'T AGREE TO PURCHASE THE PROPERTY ONCE YOU CLEAR ALL YOUR SEVEN PROPERTIES. COME ON, THAT'S NOT REALISTIC.

SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I'M AT WITH THIS PROPERTY.

I KNOW IT'S -- I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO DENY THE REQUEST.

>> I MEAN, IT -- IF WE PUSHED THIS LIEN TO ANOTHER PROPERTY WHICH HE HASN'T PAID WE'RE PART OF THE PROBLEM.

>> BUT WE ARE GETTING ONE CLEARED.

>> FOR THE SAKE OF DISCUSSION I'LL SECOND YOUR MOTION. ONE THING THAT IS A SUMMATION OF EVERYTHING, SO LIKE COMMISSIONER BURKE JUST SAID, AT LEAST IN MY OPINION, OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT DEPARTMENT DOES A GOOD JOB OF GETTING FOLKS IN COMPLIANCE, GIVING THEM TANGIBLE ACTION STEPS TO MAKE IT RIGHT, RIGHT? THE BIG THING FOR ME ON THIS IS THAT ONE OF THESE -- ONE OF THESE IS $109,000 THAT'S BEEN IMPOSED IN 2019 FOR $50 A DAY. I DON'T HAVE MUCH FAITH THAT ANY OF THESE WILL BE IN COMPLIANCE.

I APPRECIATE YOU TRYING TO PURCHASE THE PROPERTY AND MAKE IT NICE AND BECOME A MEMBER OF OUR COMMUNITY. I THINK COMMISSIONER RENNINGER MAKES GOOD POINTS AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU'LL HAVE TO DECIDE ON THE RISK OF THE LAND OWNER GETTING INTO COMPLIANCE TO MAKE IT HAPPEN, BUT COMMISSIONER RENNINGER MADE A GOOD POINT, THAT'S GOT TO HAPPEN FIRST.

>> IT HASN'T.

HAVE TO. >> IT WOULD HAVE TO BEFORE THIS

>> YEAH. >> HE WOULD

HAPPENS. >> RIGHT.

RIGHT, BUT I GUESS WHAT I'M GETTING AT IS THAT DOESN'T INVOLVE US. HE GETS IT INTO COMPLIANCE AND THEN DOES A REAL ESTATE SALE AND THAT'S IT.

I DON'T REALLY KNOW AT THAT POINT WHAT WE'RE ACTUALLY IMPROVING.

I'M NOT WILLING TO REDUCE THE LIEN I GUESS IS MY POINT.

>> THEN AN INTERESTINGINTERESTING THAT POPPED UP, TOO, IS REMEMBER THE FINES ACCRUE EVERY DAY AND SO THE LONGER PERIOD OF TIME HE HAS TO REMOVE THE MOBILE HOMES, THIS THEIR 25. $25 SO THEY'RE GIVE YOUNG THAT GRACE.

THE WAY THE AGREEMENT TRADITIONALLY WORKS FOR THESE TYPES OF REQUESTS IS THATTHAT YOU GIVE A CERTAIN PERIOD OF TIME TO BRING THE PROPERTY INTO COMPLIANCE, IF IT ISN'T BROUGHT INTO COMPLIANCE WITH THAT TIME PERIOD THEN NOTHING HAPPENS.

IF IT IS BROUGHT INTO COMPLIANCE THEN CODE ENFORCEMENT GOES OUT, APPROVES IT AND DEPENDING ON THE AMOUNT, SO IN THIS CASE, THE $12,000 THEN HE HAS TO, WITHIN TEN DAYS PAY THE $12,670 AND THEN AT THAT POINT IN TIME ONCE THAT CHECK CLEARS A RELEASE WOULD BE ENTERED JUST FOR THIS PROPERTY FOR THE THREE LIENS. I HAVE. COULD WE MAKE AN AGREEMENT WHERE WE SAY FOR THE NEXT 60 DAYS WE WILL NOT CONTINUE THE FINES TO ALLOW THE PROPERTY OWNER TO CLEAN IT UP. IF THEY DON'T CLEAN IT UP BECAUSE OF THIS, BECAUSE YOU'RE OFFERING TO BUY THE PROPERTY, IF THEY DON'T CLEAN IT UP, WE RETROACTIVELY CHARGE THEM THOSE 60 DAYS' WORTH OF FINES

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AND WE'RE BACK TO SQUARE ONE.

>> THAT'S AUTOMATIC.

>> SO WE COULD DO THAT.

>> THAT'S JUST AUTOMATIC. SO WHAT HAPPENS IF IT DOESN'T GET CLEANED UP HE DOESN'T GET ANY BENEFIT.

>> FOR US THAT'S OFFERING YOU A GOOD FAITH FOR YOU TO SELL IT AND GET IN COMPLIANCE.

>> YOU ASKED CAN WE HOLD THE CONTINUANCE OF THE LIEN AND THE DAILY CHARGE.

>> YOU CAN SET WHATEVER AMOUNT. DON'T TIE IT TO THAT LIEN AMOUNT.

YOU CAN SAY HEY, I WANT YOU TO PAY $20,000. HEY, I WANT YOU TO PAY $10,000.

YOU JUST SET AN AMOUNT AND THAT'S THE AMOUNT THAT BASICALLY THEY'RE PAYING OR SETTLING TO HAVE THE LIEN RELEASED IF THEY CLEAN IT UP.

>> I THINK JUST TO SIMPLIFY THIS -- SO THE BOARD OR THE COUNTY REALLY -- SO EVEN IF YOU GUYS GREEN LIGHT THIS, FOR EXAMPLE, RIGHT? AND I CALL HIM ON THE PHONE AND SAY HEY, MAN, THE COUNTY SAID YES, CLEAR THIS THING UP.

I CAN BUY IT. IF NOTHING CHANGES THE LIEN STAYS ON. IF YOU GUYS GIVE ME PERMISSION TO GET THIS THING CLEARED UP, GET HIM TO CLEAR THIS UP AND IF IT DOES CLEAR UP WILL YOU GUYS ALLOW ME TO BUY IT FREE AND CLEAR. THE POSITIVE IS OUT OF THE THREE PROPERTIES THAT HAVE LIENS THIS ONE THEN WILL BE FREE AND CLEAR SO THE NEIGHBORS DON'T HAVE TO HAVE A PROPERTY WITH MOBILE HOMES OR HAVE A PROPERTY BEING

UNDER CODE ENFORCEMENT. >> THE TOUGH PART FOR ME IS HE OWES $140,000. TO BUY ITTY FROM FREE AND CLEAR OF THE 12,000 HE OWES THE COUNTY.

>> IF IT COMES UNDER COMPLIANCE THEN HE HAS TO PAY. THE COMPLIANCE MEANS GET THE MOBILE HOMES OUT OF THERE, MOW THE GRASS AND CODE ENFORCEMENT COMES IN, AND THE MOBILE HOMES ARE OUT, LOOKS GOOD. IN ORDER TO FINALIZE IT YOU HAVE TO PAY THIS FEE. NOTHING WOULD GET RELEASED UNTIL YOU PAY THAT

FINE. >> YOU DON'T NEED OUR PERMISSION TO DO THAT. THAT CAN HAPPEN RIGHT NOW.

>> RIGHT.

>> I GUESS THE FAVOR THAT YOU'RE ASKING IS FOR THE OTHER TWO LIENS TO BE RELEASED FROM THIS

PROPERTY. >> FROM THIS PROPERTY.

>> EITHER WE HAVE ONE LIEN OR ALL THREE SITTING THERE FOREVER BECAUSE THIS GUY'S NEVER GOING TO DO IT.

AT LEAST WE'RE HAVING ONE AND THIS GUY CAN HAVE A HOME AND IT'S CLEANED OR ELSE IF HE DOESN'T CLEAN IT, THEN HE DOESN'T GET IT.

>> I'M NOT CONFIDENT IN

RELEASING ALL THREE. >> JUST FROM THIS PROPERTY.

>> RIGHT. I'M NOT REQUESTING A RELEASE OF

ALL THREE. >> I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

>> I GOT IT. >> I'M SORRY.

NO, IT'S OKAY.

>> YEAH. SO THERE WAS A MOTION AND A SECOND ALREADY. SO -- I'M WILLING TO -- I'M WILLING TO -- EVEN IF YOU GUYS NEED TO TALK IT OVER OR NEED ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.

>> THIS IS HOW WE TALK IT OVER.

>> BECAUSE I -- MAYBE I'M NOT DESCRIBING IT

PROPERLY. >> IT'S A COMPLICATED SITUATION. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU GUYS KNOW THAT NO MATTER WHAT THE COUNTY WINS BECAUSE AT LEAST THIS PROPERTY THERE'S NOW AN ATTEMPT TO CLEAR THIS UP AND -- YEAH. THE TAXES WILL BE PAID. THIS $12,000 WILL BE PAID AS WELL BECAUSE IF NOT, THEN IT'S GOING TO STAY THE WAY IT IS. SO --

>> TO THE CHAIR, I THINK WHAT I WANT CLARIFIED IS COURTNEY, WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS $12,670 AM I UNDERSTANDING CORRECTLY THAT HE WANTS TO PAY IT INSTEAD OF THE PROPERTY OWNER TAKING THAT OUT OF THE PURCHASE PRICE?

>> MY UNDERSTANDING OF HIS PURCHASE AND SALE AGREEMENT IS THAT HE WOULD PAY THE $12,000 AND THEN THE AMOUNT THAT HE OWES THE SELLER WILL BE REDUCED BY

THE -- >> IT WILL BE DEDUCTED FROM THE PURCHASE PRICE.

>> I TOLD HIM I'M WILLING TO -- SINCE HE'S NOT IN A GOOD FINANCIAL SITUATION, I SAID I WOULD PAY THE FINE. I WOULD PAY THE PROPERTY AND THE TAXES THAT ARE OWED, BUT I WOULD DEDUCT IT FROM THE PURCHASE PRICE.

>> YEAH. WHATEVER AT THAT TIME WOULD BE THE FINES AND THE TAXES, THEN I WOULD DEDUCT IT FROM THE PURCHASE PRICE.

>> CAN WE DENY THAT?

>> SO FOR ME, I DON'T THINK THAT IT WOULD BE FAIR TO SAY NO TO YOU PRIMARILY BECAUSE

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YOU CAN'T -- YOU'RE LOOKING TO BUY THIS PROPERTY.

I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE CERTAIN RISKS THAT YOU HAVE ASSUMED HERE AND YOU HAVE OUTLINED PRETTY CLEARLY THE ASSUMPTION OF THOSE RISKS AND SOSO ME TO SEE THIS PROPERTYPROPERTY -- I KNOW YOU CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT THE OTHER SIX, FOR THIS PROPERTY TO BE RECTIFIED I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH MOVING FORWARD WITH YOUR REQUEST, BUT AS YOU CAN TELL, TONIGHT WE'RE FOUR COMMISSIONERS, NOT FIVE AND TWO HAVE ALREADY SECOND THIS DENIAL OF YOUR REQUEST. SO WHAT I'M CURIOUS ABOUT, IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE COMMISSIONER BURKE WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS MOVE FORWARD.

CAN YOU GIVE ME SOME GUIDANCE, PLEASE, COURTNEY, ON WHAT THIS LOOKS LIKE?

>> PROCEDURALLY?

>> IF THE MOTION WERE TO BE VOTED ON AT THIS TIME AND FAIL BECAUSE IT WAS A 2- 2, THEN A NEW MOTION COULD BE MADE GOING

FORWARD. >> I HAVE ONE COMMENT.

YOUR REQUEST IS TO REDUCE IT TO $500.

THAT IS THE REQUEST ON THE FLOOR.

>> THAT'S WHY YOU'RE DENYING THAT.

>> WANT TO MAKE A COMMENT ON

THAT. >> THAT'S

YOUR REQUEST. >> WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH OFFICIAL PAPERWORK. YOUR REQUEST IS $500.

THAT'S WHY THE MOTION IS TO DENY

THE REQUEST. >> RIGHT, BUT WE'RE GETTING -- TO YOUR POINT, WE'RE GETTING MIXED SIGNALS.

WE HAVE COUNTY COUNSEL TELLING US THAT THE 12,670 WOULD GET PAID. I UNDERSTAND THAT THE PAPERWORK THAT WAS BEFORE US IN THE BACKUP IS HIS REQUEST, AND YOU HISTORICALLY, MY POSITION ISN'T EVEN THE 500. IT'S STAFF COSTS.

SO I WOULD -- WHAT I'M GOING BY IS WHAT YOU SHARED WITH ME IS THE 12,670 THAT HAS BEEN REITERATED OVER AND OVER

TONIGHT. >> AND I BELIEVE THAT THE PAPERWORK DID SAY 500, BUT I BELIEVE THAT THE APPLICANT HAS REITERATED THAT HE WAS WILLING TO PAY THE LIEN UNDER THE PURCHASE -- UNDER THE LIEN

AGREEMENT. >> DO WE HAVE TO DENY THAT FIRST, THE $500 OR --

>> YOU DON'T HAVE TO OFFICIALLY, BUT THAT'S HOW THE MOTION WAS PRESENTED WAS TO DENY THAT REQUEST AND THEN --

>> THEN WE CAN MAKE ANOTHER MOTION.

>> OR I CAN WITHDRAW MY SECOND.

>> I'LL WITHDRAW IT.

>> WE CAN GO FORWARD WITH THIS. OH, NO, WAIT A MINUTE.

>> IT'S GOING TOO FAIL ANYWAY. EITHER WAY, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO DO, WE'RE STILL GOING TO GET TO WHAT PROPOSAL HE HAS PRESENTED TO US. SO HOWEVER WE CAN VOTE RIGHT NOW WITH THE MOTION AND SECOND THAT'S ON THE FLOOR AND STILL ACCOMPLISH THAT GOAL. SO WHATEVER YOU GUYS -- ARE WE KEEPING THE MOTIONS INTACT OR --

>> UNLESS IT GOES 2-2.

>> WHICH WOULD STILL PRESS NOT THE SAME MOTION.

>> THAT WOULD BE A DENIAL.

>> DO YOU KEEP YOUR SECOND. THAT MOTION IS SECOND.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

>> AYE. >> THE $500.

>> MY MOTION WOULD BE WHAT WE HAVE DISCUSSED TONIGHT FOR THE $12,670 OF THE LIEN BE HONORED PROVIDED YOUR CONTRACTUAL AGREEMENT WITH THE SELLER GOES THROUGH.

SO IT'S NOT WHAT'S IN THE PAPERWORK, BUT WHAT YOU'VE PRESENTED TO US TONIGHT.

>> THE MOBILE HOMES ARE CLEANED OFF. CODE ENFORCEMENT INSPECTS AND THEN YOU PAY THE 12,000.

>> WITHIN 60 DAYS.

>> I WOULD ALSO ADD PROPERLY CLEANED FROM THE PROPERTY AND NOT RELOCATED TO ANOTHER PIECE OF PROPERTY BECAUSE WE CAN SEE THOSE TRAILERS AGAIN.

THAT, THOUGH?

>> CAN WE DO THAT? WITH A DISPOSAL COMPANY?

I DON'T KNOW. >> THEY'RE ALREADY OUT OF COMPLIANCE. ALL THAT WOULD HAPPEN IS THEY'D JUST RACK UP MORE FINES.

>> YOU CAN CERTAINLY ADD IT TO THE AGREEMENT THAT THE MOBILE HOMES CAN'T BE MOVED TO ONE OF THESE SIX PROPERTIES. THE OTHER SIX.

>> THERE YOU GO. I'M IN FAVOR OF THAT.

>> THAT'S MY MOTION. I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF THEY'RE CLOSE. ARE ANY OF THESE OTHER SIX CLOSE? HE'LL HAVE TO MAKE THEM DISAPPEAR SOMEHOW.

>> COURTNEY, JUST TO CLARIFY, IF IN 60 DAYS IT'S NOT CLEARED IT'S BACK TO SQUARE ONE AND HE OWES EVERY SINGLE DAY SINCE THE 60 DAYS.

>> CORRECT. >> OKAY.

[02:10:05]

>> OKAY. ADDED TO YOUR MOTION THERE IS A PROVISION AND AGREEMENT THAT THE MOBILE HOMES ON THE EXISTING PROPERTY CANNOT BE MOVED TO ONE OF THE OTHER SIX PROPERTIES OWNED BY THE PROPERTY OWNER.

>> THAT'S A MOTION. DO I HAVE A SECOND?

>> I'LL SECOND.

>> MOTION AND SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

>> THANK YOU FOR TRYING TO MAKE OUR PLACE LOOK

>> ALL THOSE OPPOSED.

>> MOTION PASSES.

>> GOOD LUCK.

>> GOOD LUCK TO YOU.

[16. New site update for Public Safety Training Facility (C. Josi)]

BETTER. ALL RIGHT.

WE'LL MOVE ON TO NUMBER 16, NEW SITE UPDATE FOR PUBLIC SAFETY TRAINING FACILITY.

>> I'M HERE TODAY TO REQUEST AN APPROVAL TO RELOCATE THE PROPOSED FIRE TRAINING FACILITY TO THE OUTDOOR ADVENTURE PARK. THE PROJECT IS CURRENTLY PLANNED FOR CAMP BLANDING UNDER MOA TO CONSTRUCT ON CAMP BLANDING PROPERTY.

SINCE THAT WAS THE PUD, THE STAFF CONDUCTED A COST AND FEASIBILITY REVIEW COMPARING THE CAMP BLANDING SITE.

OPTION ONE AT THE CAMP BLANDINGBLANDING IS THE COST WOULD BE JUST UNDER $4.9 MILLION.

OPTION NUMBER TWO, THE OUTDOOR ADVENTURE PARK AND WE ARE PROJECTING THAT COST TO BE JUST OVER $4.2 MILLION.

RECOMMENDATION IS OPTION NUMBER TWO TO CONSTRUCT AT THE OUTDOOR ADVENTURE PARK. WE DETERMINED THAT THIS WOULD BE MORE BENEFICIAL BOTH FINANCIALLY AND OPERATIONALLY TO CONSTRUCT THE FIRE TRAINING FACILITY ON COUNTY-OWNED PROPERTY WORKING -- SORRY, WORKING WITH PUBLIC REC DEPARTMENT AND ZONED C WHICH OF THE OUTDOOR ADVENTURE PARK WHERE THAT RED SQUARE IS, AND IT WAS ZONE C WOULD BE THE BEST OPTION TO CONSTRUCT THIS FACILITY.

SO THE ESTIMATED SAVINGS BY CHANGING THE LOCATION WOULD BE APPROXIMATELY $679,000. THIS PROPERTY IS COUNTY OWNED. SO THAT WOULD ELIMINATE US HAVING TO ASK PERMISSION TO USE THE FACILITY THAT WE PAID FOR. CAMP BLANDING WOULD STILL HAVE ACCESS TO USE THE FACILITY TO TRAIN ON.

THE SITE HERE, THE OUTDOOR ADVENTURE PARK IS MORE SECURE. THERE IS A DAILY PRESENCE THERE AT THE LOCATION.

RESTROOMS, ANOTHER BENEFIT IS THE RESTROOM WOULD BE ON THIS SITE AT CAMP BLANDING, THERE'S NOTHING AVAILABLE. THIS PROJECT WOULD BE ELIGIBLE TOO USE THE PUBLIC SAFETY FUNDING, AND WHILE THE RELOCATION WILL REQUIRE A LITTLE BIT TO GO TO REDESIGN.

I HOPE THE OVERALL PROJECT REMAINS MORE ECONOMICAL.

>> THIS OPTION ENSURES FISCAL RESPONSE USUALITY FOR PUBLIC SAFETY OPERATIONS. SO THAT, AGAIN, THIS IS FOR APPROVAL TO CHANGE THE LOCATION FOR THIS PROJECT FROM CAMP BLANDING TO THE OUTDOOR ADVENTURE PARK.

>> ANY QUESTIONS?

>> I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.

>> GO AHEAD.

>> CHAD, I THINK I WAS BRIEFED THAT WE'D HAVE TO DRILL A COUPLE OF WELLS?

>> YES, SIR.

>> WHICH CATEGORY IS IT? I DON'T SEE IT ON THERE.

>> THE RED SQUARE.

[02:15:02]

>> NO, IN TERMS OF COST.

>> COST. >>

OH! >> I THINK WE HAVE TOTO PRETTY DEEP.

? THE LARGEST IS THE 1.4.

>> WHICH ONE?

>> EARTH WORK. IT COMES OUT OF THAT CATEGORY.

THE SECOND QUESTION I HAVE IS I GET A LITTLE NERVOUS WHEN WE SAY WE'RE ABLE TO USE PUBLIC SAFETY BONDS. THAT'S NOT WHAT WE GOT THAT

MONEY FOR. >> FOR THE PUBLIC SAFETY.

>> FOR THE FIRE TOWER. SO MY QUESTION IS I DON'T WANT TO SEE A PROBLEM DOWN THE ROAD TO BUILD FIVE FIRE STATIONS BECAUSE WE USED MONEY ON THE FIRE TOWER.

>> COMMISSIONER, I SAID THE SAME THING IN MY BRIEF.

I WANTED TO ENSURE THAT THE INITIAL LAYOUT OF THE PUBLIC SAFETY BOND WAS TO BUILD FIRE STATIONS.

>> CORRECT. SO I WANTED THE ASSURANCE THAT THERE WOULD BE NO LESSER FIRE STATIONS BUILT OR QUALITY DETERIORATION JUST TO DO THIS

PROJECT. >> I MEAN, WHY WAS THAT PUT IN HERE IS MY QUESTION. DO WE HAVE TOO MUCH MONEY IN THE FIRE SAFETY BOND?

>> NO. YOU DO NOT HAVE TOO MUCH MONEY IN THE BOND BECAUSE THE GOAL WAS STILL TO BUILD THE FIRE STATIONS.

WHAT THIS DOES IS PROVIDE YOU FLEXIBILITY. CURRENTLY THE BURN BUILDING IS OVER BUDGET AS FAR AS WHAT YOU HAD IN CIP. YOU WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO USE BOND MONEY SO YOU WOULD HAVE TO HAVE CIP MONEY IF YOU WERE PUTTING IT ON CAMP LANDING, AND YOU WOULD HAVE TO DO IT ON YOUR PROPERTY. THIS IS PROVIDING YOU FLEXIBILITY ENSURING THAT BOND FUNDINGGETS SPENT BETWEEN THE THREE-IER TIME PERIOD AND ALLOWS YOU FLEXIBILITY TO GO TO OTHER FIRE STATIONS AND CONTINUE PUSHING THAT OUT FURTHER, FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM. THERE'S NO INTENTION HERE TO REDUCE THE NUMBER OF FIRE STATIONERS ON REDUCE THE SIZE AND SCOPE OF THE FIRE STATIONS AND I THINK THAT'S YOUR CONCERN, COMMISSIONER.

>> I THINK THAT'S MY CONCERN.

>> I'VE LIVED WITHOUT ONE FOR A LONG TIME.

>> I WOULD LEAVE HIM TO TALK ABOUT THE BUILDING FROM THE STANDPOINT OF SAFETY AND TRAINING, BUT AS FAR AS THE BOND. THIS PREVENTS YOU FROM HAVING TO GO FIND MORE MONEY IN YOUR, KR IP CURRENTLY TO COMPLETE THIS PROJECT BECAUSE RIGHT NOW IF YOU WENT AND MOVED THIS AND DID NOTNOT BOND FUNDING YOU WOULD HAVE TO FIND THIS EXTRA $2 MILLION IN YOUR CIP AND THIS ENSURES THATTHAT WE THE BOND MONEY EFFECTIVELY IN THE THREE- YEAR PERIOD OF TIME.

>> IT DOESN'T ANSWER MY QUESTION.

>> AND THE $2 MILLION TAKEN OUT OF THIS BOND FUND FOR THE FIRE BURN BUILDING AND WE CAN STILL BUILD FIVE FIRE STATIONS ON SCHEDULE, SAME DISTANCE AND THE SAME SQUARE

FOOTAGE? >> I'M GOING TO BE CAUTIOUS ON HOW I ANSWER THAT BECAUSE THE INTENT WAS TO BUILD FIVE FIRE STATIONS AT 60MILLION PLUS WHAT WE WERE GOING TOIOUS BY PUBLIC SAFETY. IT WAS 64.5 MILLION.

>> THE INTENT WAS ALWAYS FOR PUBLIC, SAFETY AND FIRE FACILITIES AND THE FIRE STATIONS WERE ALL LINED UP AND OTHERS WERE LINED

OUT IN THAT DOC. >> THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT IT SAYS.

TO FINANCE THE COST OF THE ACQUISITION AND CONSTRUCTION OF PUBLIC SAFETY AND FIRE SUPPRESSION FACILITIES INCLUDING FAIR STATIONS, FIRE TOWERS AND TRAINING FACILITY, CONSTRUCTION OR IMPROVEMENTS ARE PERTINENT THERE, TOO.

>> SO WHEN THIS WAS WRITTEN THAT LANGUAGE WAS INTENTIONALLY PUT IN THERE. WHEN IT SHIFTED IS WHEN WE'D GO BACK IN THE DAY. WE WEREN'T GOING TO BUILD AT THE BASE. WE WENT SOMEWHERE ELSE. WE WENT TO THE BASE BECAUSE WE FEPT THAT FELT THAT WAS GOING TO OPTIMIZE OUR SPEND WITHOUT GETTING PROPERTY AND NOW THROUGH DUE DILIGENE WE FOUND OUT THAT IT WAS GOING TO COST US MORE MONEY TO GO TO THE BASE AND THAT'S WHY WE PIVOTED.

>> COMMISSIONER, THE GOAL IS STILL TO CONSTRUCT THOSE FIVE FIRE STATIONS, NUMBER 20.

>> I WANT TO HEAR WE'RE GOING TO DO IT.

[02:20:02]

I WANT SOMEONE IN AUTHORITY TO SAY WE'LL BUILD FIRE STATIONS AS PLANNED WITH THE 65 MILLION.

THIS FIRE TOWER, I UNDERSTAND THE ISO, BUT I DON'T UNDERSTAND ISO, BUT WITHOUT A FIRE STATION BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE MONEY, IT'S GOING TO HURT THE SERVICE TO OUR CONSTITUENTS.

>> LET'S GO TO STATION 20 IS INCOMPLETE.

STATION 20 IS DONE. STATION 22 IS CURRENTLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION. WE ARE WAITING FOR FEMA ON STATION 24. YOU APPROVED 24 AND STATION 15, MY UNDERSTANDING, IS WE ARE EITHER IN AGREEMENT OR CLOSE TO AN AGREEMENT WITH THE PAD BEING DONE BY THE DEVELOPER AND THAT STATION WILL GO UNDER CON CONSTRUCTION FROM THE NEAR FUTURE.

ALL STAFF ARE ON TARGET AND MAYBE WITH THE INTEREST WE ARE LOOKING AT SITE ACQUISITION AND DESIGN FOR STATION 13, STATION 16 AND STATION 21, POTENTIALLY, IN ADDITION. SO I THINK YOUR STAFF AND TO CHARLIE, THE STAFF IS COMMITTED TO THE FIVE FIRE STATIONS PLUS THIS TOWER AS PART OF THE BOND. I HAVE TWO CLARIFYING QUESTIONS IF I CAN, MADAM CHAIR. I WASN'T ON THE BOARD WHEN THE BOND WAS ISSUED. WHAT WAS THE DATE ON THE ISSUE? WHAT YEAR? BALLPARK? '23?

>> THAT'S THE DEADLINE? THAT'S WHAT I WAS GOING TO GET TO.

>> WHAT HAS TO HAPPEN BY THAT

DATE? >> YOU HAVE TO SPEND ALL THE MONEY.

>> THEY DON'T HAVE TO ACTUALLY

BE BUILT. >> YOU HAVE TO BUILD THEM TO SPEND THE MONEY BECAUSE OF THETHE WAY THE POLICIES ARE, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY YOU HAVE TO SPEND A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF IT AND IT GOES TO WHETHER THE INTEREST IS OFF OF IT, IT'S TRULY A TAX-FREE BOND OR NOT. THE WHOLE THING ABOUT THE GOVERNMENT IS IF YOU HOLD THE MONEY LONGER THAN THREE YEARS ON THE MARKET AND THE COUNTY WILL END UP WITH A PENALTY AND WE DON'T WANT TO GIVE BACK THE INTEREST THAT WE EARNED ON THIS MONEY BECAUSE THAT INTEREST IS WHAT WILL A LAW YOU TO KEEP DOING OTHER THINGS WITH THE FIRE STATIONS.

THAT MAY BE WHAT GET YOS YOU, AND, AND IMMEDIATE AM CHEER. STATION 24 AND STATION PANE.

IN THE GROUP WE WERE TALKING ABOUT PERMITTING CLOSE-UPS AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.

WE ARE IN OCTOBER OF '25 SO YOU HAVE A YEAR AND A HALF, ALMOST LESS THAN TWO YEARS TO GET TO JULY OF '27. HOW PRIMITIVE ARE WE IN THE PROCESS OF 24 AND 15. STATION 24 AND STATION 15?

>> ED DENDOR. CAPITAL PROJECTS DIRECTOR. AS FAR AS STATION 24, THAT STATION WAS BROUGHT UP EARLIER THIS EVENING WITH THE CLEARING OF THE PROPERTY IT'S BEEN DESIGNED. WE ARE HITTING THE RIGHT TIME AND THE RIGHT SEASON TO BE ABLE TO CLEAR IT SO WE ARE NOT INTERFERING WITH THE TRI- COLORED BATS AND AS WELL AS GO FOR GO TORTOISES. WE ARE FULLY EXPECTING FEMA TO COME BACK WITH THE GRANT AND THE ABILITY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH IT IT.

THERE IS A CURRENT EXISTING AGREEMENT WITH THE DEVELOPER. THEY'RE IN THE PROCESS OF DEVELOPING THE PAD- READY SITE IN THE LAKE ASBURY AREA.

THAT STATION IS ALREADY DESIGNED, AS WELL AND WELL ON THE WAY FOR DESIGN. THEY'RE WORKING WITH THE CIVIL, AGAIN, FOR THE PROPERTY THAT IT'S GOING TO BE PLACED ON. SO WE HAVE A HIGH LEVEL OF CONFIDENCE IN '24 AND 15. IN TROY HAD MENTIONED 20 IS ALREADY DOM PLEAT. WELL ON AND THOSE ARE THE FIVE.

OUR BIGGEST CHALLENGE AS TROY MENTION SIDE TO BE DONE ON THE TRANSPORTATION SIDE WHEN WE HAD THE BOND WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING DOWNRANGE. YOU'RE NOT SPENDING A LOT OF MONEY AND IT'S REALLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION AND WITH THE HOCKEY STICK AND IN LAYING AND LAYING THAT OUT, WE AS A TEAM WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND THE PROJECTS TEAM AND THE PROJECT CONTROLS WE TON MEET EVERY MONTH. WE'VE BEEN MEANING FOR THE LAST MONTH TO LOOK AT THIS AND TO PLAY IT AS WHAT IS THAT EXPENSE CURVE AGAINST THAT JULY OF '27.

THAT'S WHY I KNOW THAT DAY CLEAR AND PRESENT BECAUSE WE HAVE TO

[02:25:02]

BE ABLE TO HIT THAT MARK. AS YOU STARTED LAYING OUT THE CASH FLOW ACROSS DIFFERENT PROJECTS AND ALL OF A SUDDEN NOW YOU GET YOUR INTEREST, AND THAT'S THE OPPORTUNITY TO ADD MORE MONEY TO THE PROGRAM AND THAT'S TO BE ABLE TO SAY, AS WE'RE SPENDING AND LOOKING ARE THERE OTHER OPTIONS AND INROADS, AND NOT NECESSARILY THE OFFRAMP, BUT TO USE THE MONEY FOR OUR INTENDED PURPOSES WHICH THE COUNCIL LAID OUT EARLIER.

>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?

>> MADAM CHAIR, IF I MAY? ONE OTHER THING THAT WAS NOT BRIEFED, BUT IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THE BOARD KNOWS I SPOKE TO COLONEL TODD HOPKINS.

HE UNDERSTANDS THE MOVE AND THE REASONING BEHIND THAT WE ALSO TALKED ABOUT THE HEIGHT RESTRICTION IN THAT AREA AND HIS TEAM HAS TAKEN A LOOK AT IT.

IT'S BETWEEN 35 FEET ANDAND ED SENT OUT A LETTER TO THEM WHICH WOULD BE COMING BACK HERE AND THERE SHOULDN'T BE ANY ISSUES WITH THAT ON THE PHONE CALL THAT I HAVE VIA EMAIL. I JUST WANT TO ALSO BRING THAT TO THE BOARD'S ATTENTION. SO ANY QUESTIONS FOR US?

>> I HAVE A QUESTION. SO WHAT MONEY HAS ALREADY BEEN SPENT AS FAR AS DESIGN WITH CAMP BLANDING.

>> I WAS ASKED THAT TODAY. LAST REPORT WAS 10 MILLION. OH! SORRY!

THE TOTAL BOND. >> YOU'D BE THROWN OFF THAT TOWER IF WE SPENT 10 MILLION.

>> 85,000.

>> SO THAT --

>> THAT WAS FIGURED INTO YOUR PRICE BECAUSE YOU'RE STILL GOING TO END UP WITH A SAVINGS.

>> MAYBE RE- ASK THE QUESTION. HOW MUCH DID WE SPEND ON THE DESIGN FOR CAMP BLANDING CURRENTLY? HOW MUCH? 186,000. THE CHANGE FOR DESIGN FEES WOULD BE THE $85,000, CORRECT? THE 85,000 IS THE CHANGE IN DESIGN FEES.

WE'RE NOT STARTING THE DESIGN FROM SCRATCH.

YOU WERE ON A HILL AND THE REDESIGN OF THE DRAINAGE.

>> SO 186,000 HAS BEEN SPENT FOR DESIGN WHICH WILL STILL HAVE A CHANGE FOR $85,000. WE ARE ONLY IN THE HOLE 85,000 TOTAL, BUT WE'LL STILL STILL SAVINGS IN THE TOTAL

PROJECT. >> THAT'S WHAT I MEANT.

YOUR NET -- YOUR NET CHANGE IS $58,000.

>> YES. >> BUT YOU WILL GENERATE A $600,000 SAVINGS MAKING THAT $85,000 CHANGE.

>> YES. >> I HAVE ONE LAST QUESTION AND WE THE BTP WITH INTEREST EARNED ON TAX- FREE BONDS TO THE POINT WE HAD TO TAKE ALL OF THE MONEY AND PUT IT IN A SPECIAL PLACE INSTEAD OF INVESTING IT. ARE WE GOING TO RUN INTO THAT PROBLEM HERE?

>> THAT'S WHAT THESE GUYS ARE TRYING TO KEEP US FROM GETTING INTO IS -- PART OF THAT WAS BECAUSE OF THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE FIVE YEARS VERSUS THREE YEARS AND IN THIS ONE YOU ONLY HAVE THREE AND RICK WALKED BACK INTO THE ROOM AT THE EXACT RIGHT TIME BECAUSE THEY'RE THE ONES THAT WOULD HANDLE THAT AND WE'LL GET THE MONEY SPENT SO WE DON'T HAVE TO GO BACK INTO THE SLUGS AND START MOVING MONEY AROUND TO DEAL WITH HOW WE EARN THE INTEREST. THAT'S OUR GOAL.

>> AND THE CLERK'S OFFICE IS PART OF THE MONTHLY ROUND- UP TO REPROJECT THE FORECAST.

>> ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I'LL TAKE A MOTION.

>> I'LL MOVE FOR APPROVAL.

>> I'LL SECOND.

>> ALL RIGHT.

I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY

AYE. >> AYE.

>> ANY OPPOSED?

PASSES 4-0. >> THANK YOU.

[20. Discussion of Appointments to the Middleburg/Clay Hill Citizens Advisory Committee]

[02:30:02]

>> ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE LETTERS FOR ACTION AND DISCUSSION OF APPOINTMENTS FOR THE MIDDLEBURGH/CLAY HILL. APPLICATIONS WERE RECEIVED FROM PAULA CLOUD. KAREN JOHNS, BELINDA JOHNSON, ERIN SAYER AND EDWARD WALLACE AND WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE. GEN, THANK YOU AGAIN TO DAVID. I HAVE BEEN TOLD THAT COMMISSIONER CONDON'S DISTRICT.

[21. Tourist Development Council Appointment of Cheryl Starnes (T. Meyer)]

>> I MOVE FOR APPROVAL.

>> I SECOND. >> ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE?

AYE. >> ALL THOSE OPPOSED? ? CITY OF GREEN COAST SPRINGS HAVE THE ELECTED OFFICIAL SEAT FROM 2025-2029. THE CITY OF GREEN COVE SPRINGS REQUESTING TO REPLACE MR. THOMAS

SMITH. >> I JUST WANT TO SAY WE MISS MR. SMITH ON THE COUNCIL. HE DID A GREAT JOB, BUT I KNOW MISS STARNES WILL DO GREAT.

[22. Bid Opening Tabulations (K. Smith)]

>> I SECOND.

>> WE HAVE LETTERS OF DOCUMENTATION.

>> ALL THOSE OPPOSED?

>> PASSES 4-0.

>> I WILL MUCH ON TO THE SECOND PUBLIC COMMENT. DO WE HAVE ANYONE ELSE TO SPEAK? OR ANYONE?

[COUNTY ATTORNEY]

ALL RIGHT. I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMISSION AND WE ARE ON TO COMMISSION AUDITOR. DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING?

>> ALL RIGHT. COUNTY ATTORNEY? JUST TO LET YOU KNOW THAT THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION DID MEET ONON OCTOBER 20TH AND THEIR NEXT MEETING IS SCHEDULED FOR NOVEMBER 17TH WHICH IS ALSO

[COUNTY MANAGER]

A MONDAY. AND THAT'S IT.

>> COUNTY MANAGER?

>> MADAM CHAIR, COMMISSIONERS, JUST THREE COMMENTS.

FIRST OF ALL, BIG REMINDER. OUR NEXT BCC MEETING WILL BE MONDAY, THAT IS MONDAY NOVEMBER 10TH.

TUESDAY IS VETERANS DAY AND WE HAD THIS IN THE SCHEDULE.

WE PUT IT OUT VIA COMMUNICATIONS, AND I JUST WANT TO STRESS IT AGAIN TO THE COMMUNITY THAT'S WATCHING AND TO THE BOARD. NEXT, JONES EDMONDS BY OUR LAST MEETING, THE STORM WATER MASTER PLAN WAS DISTRIBUTED TO EACH OF YOU IN THIS BINDER THAT'S HERE. IT IS AN EXECUTIVE SUMMARY THAT'S IN HERE. THERE ARE OVER 10,000 PAGES OF THIS MASTER PLAN. IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT ELECTRONICALLY, PLEASE LET ME KNOW, BUT THE EXPERT SUMMARY IS HERE AND BRIAN DROPPED THIS OFF TODAY, AND JUST A REMINDER ON THAT. HE WILL BE RETURNING BACK ON NOVEMBER 10TH TO TALK ABOUT THE WAY AHEAD IN LOOKING FOR APPROVAL OR DENIAL TO MOVE

AHEAD. >> THE LAST THING I HAVE, SO MADAM CHAIR, IN FRONT OF YOU IS AN AWARD. IT'S A MERIT AWARD FROM THE DESIGN BUILD INSTITUTE OF AMERICA. I HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO ATTEND THIS PRESENTATION. IT WAS GIVEN TO ED AND THE TEAM.

THE TEAM CONSISTED OF RICHARD, STEVE CUTERAS AND RUSSO FOR CI INSPECTION AND ENGINEERING FOR CATHEDRAL OAK PARKWAY. THIS IS ONE OF TWO AWARDS THAT WILL BE GIVEN OUT AND THAT WE WERE EXPECTING TO RECEIVE. IT WAS ALLUDED TO AT THE LAST BOARD MEETING. I JUST WANTED TO BRING IT BACK TO THIS BOARD MEETING SO THAT YOU ALL COULD SEE THAT AND AS WE ALL KNOW, I THINK ED MAY HAVE BOOGIED OUT, PERHAPS, BUT I JUST WANTED TO GIVE HIM RECOGNITION AND THE ENTIRE TEAM, AND I MIGHT ADD, THE ATTORNEY'S OFFICE IS PART OF THAT WITH THE RIGHT OF WAY AND EVERYTHING THAT WAS ACQUIRED FOR THAT IN THE AGREEMENTS. SO AGAIN, REALLY A GREAT DAY TO RECEIVE SOME RECOGNITION IN THIS MERIT AWARD FROM DBIA. PENDING ANY QUESTIONS, THAT'S ALL I HAVE.