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>>> ALL RIGHT, WE HAVE A QUORUM. SO WE'LL GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED. DODIE, I DON'T HAVE AN AGENDA IN FRONT OF ME BUT I
ASSUME THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE? >> YES. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH
LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. >> GIVE YOU OUR --
>> WE HAVE ONE MORE SHOWING UP? >> THANK YOU.
>> I PRINTED ALL THE OTHER FORMS. ALL RIGHT. DID EVERYBODY
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REVIEW THE MINUTES? DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY COMMENTS FOR THE MINUTES FROM THE LAST MEETING? OKAY, WE NEED TO APPROVE THEMINUTES. DO I HAVE A MOTION? >> MOTION.
[1. LCC Agenda for October 21, 2025 with attachments]
>> AND A SECOND? SECOND? EVERYONE IN FAVOR PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND. APPROVED. WE HAVE ZERO ACTION ITEMS TODAY WHICH IS NICE. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD TO THE INFORMATION ONLY ITEMS AND THE FIRST ONE AS REQUESTED WAS TALK ABOUT THE EXISTING COUNTY CONSERVATION LANDS.
>> YES. I WILL PULL UP -- SORRY. WHY AM I NOT GETTING -- I HAD IT UP HERE. THE SCREEN IS GONE. HURRY, I NEED HELP. MY SCREEN IS GONE. ALL RIGHT. SORRY FOR THE DELAY.
>> I'M CALEB RICER THE REAL ESTATE MANAGER AND I ALL REQUESTED KIND OF LOOK AT WHAT THE COUNTY ALREADY OWNED. SO IT'S -- NOT REALLY A PRESENTATION. I WOULD SAY IT'S LIKE ONE SLIDE AND IT KIND OF SHOWS -- IT'S A MAP THAT'S GOING TO SHOW SOME PROPERTIES THAT WE OWN ALREADY. AND KIND OF WHERE THEY AT IN THE COUNTY AND IT WILL GIVE YOU A SENSE OF MAYBE SOME OF THE SIZE OF THE PROPERTIES THAT WE HAVE. IN TOTAL, THE COUNTY OWNS OVER 400 PARCELS. MOST OF THAT IS GOING TO BE STUFF THAT'S RIGHT OF WAY AND SMALL STUFF BUT WE HAVE A FEW LARGER PROPERTIES THAT OBVIOUSLY WOULD BE CONSERVATION-TYPE PROPERTIES THAT I'LL SHOW AS SOON AS THE
SLIDE COMES UP. >> I GUESS WHILE WE WAIT FOR THE SLIDE YOU KNOW SOMETHING I WAS KIND OF CURIOUS ABOUT. WHAT IS THE COUNTY DOING AS FAR AS MANAGEMENT? WHAT ARE THE RECREATIONAL OPPORTUNITIES THEY SUPPLY AND WHAT ARE THE MORE CONSERVATION MINDED PIECES USED FOR?
>> RIGHT NOW, I WOULD SAY MOST OF THE CONSERVATION MINDED PROPERTIES ARE -- YOU PROBABLY KNOW THEM. YOU PASS THEM PROBABLY A GOOD BIT. BASICALLY OUR PARKS. LIKE MOCCASIN SLEW IS ONE OF THEM. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT VETERANS PARK THAT'S KIND OF RIGHT ON THE EDGE OF JENNINGS STATE FOREST. IT'S A LARGE PIECE THAT WE HAVE NOT REALLY DONE TOO MUCH WITH TO DATE RIGHT NOW. THERE'S A -- WE'RE WORKING ON GETTING A LAND CONSERVATION RFP OUT THERE WHERE WE WOULD HAVE A MANAGEMENT PROGRAM IN PLACE. AND WE'RE WORKING ON THAT RIGHT NOW, ME AND DODIE AND A COUPLE OF OTHER FOLKS SO YOU WOULD SEE THAT KIND OF RAMP UP. RIGHT NOW WE'RE JUST KIND OF GETTING STARTED AND I WOULD SAY IT'S COMPLEMENTARY TOE WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE
TODAY. >> SO I GOES AS WE'RE STARTING TO LOOK AT PARCELS AND FIGURE OUT WHAT THE COUNTY -- WE SHOULD RECOMMEND TO THE COUNTY, IS THERE ANY SORT OF ACTIVITIES GOING FORWARD THAT YOU GUYS WOULDN'T BE ABLE OR WANT TO TRY TO START UP? LARGE-SCALE CIVIC CULTURE OR RESILIENT SITES ON THE GULF COAST OR HIGHLY MANICURED PARKS AND I MEAN IS THERE STUFF THAT YOU DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY OR BUDGET TO MANAGE THAT WE SHOULDN'T WEIGH VERY HEAVILY IN OUR DECISION MAKING?
>> I WOULDN'T SAY THAT. SOME OF THE THINGS THAT YOU MENTIONED ARE ACTUALLY PART OF THAT RFP SPECIFICALLY. LIKE SETTING UP A GOPHER TORTOISE MANAGEMENT AREA AND MAYBE SETTING UP A WETLAND MITIGATION AREA. THOSE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN INCLUDED IN THE RFP. AND SO I WOULDN'T SAY -- TAKE ANYTHING OFF OR NOT CONSIDER IT. I'M SURE THAT THERE WILL BE SOME THINGS THAT WE WON'T BE ABLE TO FUND THIS
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>> ONE OF THOSE PARCELS? >> IT'S NOT ONE THAT I HIGHLIGHT BUT YEAH, IT WOULD BE ONE OF THOSE I WOULD SAY. IT MAY BE A WHILE. I GUESS I'LL GO AHEAD AND RUN THROUGH A COUPLE OF THEM. SO VETERANS PARK IS A LARGE PIECE IT'S ON THE EDGE OF THE NORTH SIDE OF JENNINGS STATE FOREST. THAT ABUTS DUVALL COUNTY. GIVE YOU AN IDEA. IT'S THE LARGEST PROPERTY AT 640 ACRES. IT LOOKS LIKE IT WAS A PREVIOUSLY JUST A TIMBER PROPERTY. AND THAT'S WHAT IT'S JUST PRETTY MUCH BEEN. IT SITS THERE AND WE HAVE NOT DONE A WHOLE LOT WITH IT TO DATE. BUT LOOKING TO, YOU KNOW, ADDRESS THAT WITH THIS RFP THAT I MENTIONED. OTHER LARGE PROPERTIES WOULD BE OUTDOOR ADVENTURE PARK. THAT FEATURES THE GUN RANGE, THAT'S OUT ON THE NORTH SIDE OF BELLMORE STATE FOREST REAL CLOSE TO CAMP LANDING AND THAT'S 158 ACRES. THEN THERE'S THE REGIONAL SPORTS COMPLEX. THAT'S RIGHT THERE ON 21 ACROSS THE ROAD FROM BELLMORE STATE FOREST. AND THAT ONE IS AT 251 ACRES. MOCCASIN SLAW WE MENTIONED EARLIER UP OFF OF 17, THAT'S 259 ACRES. THEN YOU HAVE GOT THE BLACK CREEK PARK AND TRAIL AND IT'S ACTUALLY A STRING OF PROPERTY THAT RUNS ALL THE WAY UP TO THUNDERBOLT PARK. THAT'S -- APPROXIMATELY 487 ACRES. SO THERE'S SOME, YOU KNOW, TRAILS THAT GO THROUGH THERE THAT PEOPLE BIKE AND WALK AND RUN ET CETERA BUT THEN A LOT OF IT IS ON BLACK CREEK. IT'S PROBABLY NOT EXPLORATIVE IF YOU WILL OR USED TOO MUCH, BUT A LOT OF THAT WOULD BE WETLAND. THEN YOU HAVE GOT SLEEPY HOLLOW WHICH IS ALSO ON BLACK CREEK. AND THERE'S A -- A DROPOFF SITE FOR LIKE A LANDFILL PORTION THERE. BUT THERE'S ALSO THIS -- A LOT OF IT NEXT TO THE CREEK THAT'S ACTUALLY NOT, YOU KNOW, NOTHING IS DON WITH THAT. IT'S KIND OF A CONSERVATION AREA. THAT'S 83 ACRES BETWEEN THOSE TWO PARCELS THAT MAKE UP SLEEPY HOLLOW. THEN OVER TOWARDS LAKE ASBURY, YOU HAVE GOT RONNIE VAN ZANT PARK.
THAT'S AT 90 ACRES AND I WOULD NOT SAY THIS IS A CONSERVATION AREA NECESSARILY BUT IT'S NOT GOING TO BE DEVELOPED AND THAT'S ROSEMARY HILL LANDFILL. THAT'S JUST THE LARGER PIECE AT 226 ACRES. OTHER LARGE TRACTS OF LAND NOT NECESSARILY CONSERVATION, JUST LARGER TRACTS TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF THE SIZE, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE THE FAIRGROUNDS AND WE OWN PART OF THAT. THEN THE FAIR ASSOCIATION OWNS ANOTHER LARGE PIECE OF THAT. THEN GETTING DOWN TO KEYSTONE, THERE'S A PLACE CALLED TWIN LAKES PARK. AND THEN THERE'S AN ADJOINING BARGE THE COUNTY OWNS TOGETHER WITH THAT. TOGETHER IT'S 113 ACRES. THE PARK IS ABOUT 50 ACRES AND ABOUT 63 ACRES FOR THE PIT. MAYBE A PIECE A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T KNOW ABOUT RIGHT HERE IN GREEN COVE IS BOYD PARK. IT'S NOT A PARK YET. BUT IT'S GOING TO BE A PARK PROBABLY IN THE FUTURE. AND THAT'S AT 25 ACRES. IT'S KIND OF ON THE SOUTHWEST SIDE OF GREEN COVE SPRINGS. BUT -- THOSE ARE KIND OF SOME OF THE LARGER PIECES I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ALL ARE FAMILIAR WITH THEM OR NOT. SOME OF THEM YOU HAVE PROBABLY HEARD ABOUT BEFORE AND SOME OF THEM YOU PROBABLY WEREN'T TRACKING ON THEM.
>> BOYD PARK IS THE ONE BY THE FARM. IS THAT THE ONE YOU GO
SOUTH THROUGH THE CUT THROUGH? >> I BELIEVE SO. GIST NORTH OF
THERE. >> GOT LIKE THE EXERCISE TRAIL OUT THERE? WHEN YOU WERE DESCRIBING THAT 640 ACRES PARCEL AND AFTER WE GET DONE WITH PRIORITIZING WHAT TO RECOMMEND, FURTHER JOB WOULD BE REVIEW OF MANAGEMENT PLANS? THAT WERE PRODUCED FOR PROPERTIES THAT WERE GOING UNDER MANAGEMENT. IS THAT A NEW REQUIREMENT OR DO THESE PROPERTIES HAVE MANAGEMENT PLANS? OR AM I OFF BASE ON THE QUESTION?
>> CAN YOU RUN IT BY ME ONE MORE TIME?
>> YES, SO DODIE HAD INSINUATED WE ARE STARTING WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF WHAT TOO ACQUIRE. BUT THEN POTENTIALLY THIS COMMOVES INTO REVIEW AND COMMENT ON THE MANAGEMENT PLANS FOR THE PARCELS THAT ARE ACQUIRED. IS THAT A NEW REQUIREMENT? OR DO THESE OLD PARCELS HAVE MANAGEMENT PLANS THAT ARE ALREADY OUT FOR THE PUBLIC?
>> I THINK IT WOULD BE MORE OF A NEW REQUIREMENT. OBVIOUSLY SOME OF THE PIECES I MENTIONED, THERE'S PLANS FOR THEM AND YOU SEE THINGS WE'VE ALREADY DONE WITH THEM. LIKE THE CAMP THAT
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WAS MENTIONED OR MOCCASIN SLEW. OTHERS LIKE VETERANS PARK MAYBE THERE'S BEEN, YOU KNOW, SOME DISCUSSION BUT WE HAVE NOT REALLY DONE TOO MANY WITH THEM WHETHER THAT'S BECAUSE OF OF FUNDING OR BECAUSE OF THAT'S WHERE THE PARCEL IS OR THE FEATURES OF THE PARCEL OR PROPERTY RATHER. SO I WOULD SAY IT'S A NEW -- MORE OF A NEW THING THAT'S GOING TO BE -- THE WHOLE POINT -- MAJOR PART OF THE RFP THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.AND YEAH. >> ANYBODY HAVE OTHER QUESTIONS? I FEEL LIKE I'M MONOPOLIZING THE QUESTIONS, ANYBODY ELSE?
>> I GUESS ONE I HAVE, ARE WE -- ARE WE GOING TO PUT I GUESS THE LAND WE'RE LOOKING FOR HERE, I MEAN, ARE WE KIND PUTTING THESE TOWARDS CONSERVATION AND PARKS AND RECREATION? OR BECAUSE LIKE SOME OF THEM YOU TALK ABOUT ARE LIKE BALL FIELDS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. ARE WE CONSIDERING SOMETHING LIKE THAT WITH THE LAND WE'RE LOOKING TO ACQUIRE OR IS THIS GOING TO BE MORE TRAILS AND CONSERVATION AND -- THINGS LIKE THAT? DO WE HAVE AN
IDEA? >> I'D SAY IT WOULD BE -- AT LEAST IN MY MIND, WHEN I HAVE TALKED TO ABOUT DODIE IN THE PAST, AND SHE CAN CHIME IN MAYBE, BUT BE MORE LIKE A MULTI-USE DEPENDING ON THE PROPERTY IN QUESTION. I DON'T THINK WE REALLY TALKED ABOUT PARKS AND THE NATURE OF LIKE BALL FIELDS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. BUT CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE LIKE A MOCCASIN SLEW MAYBE WHERE YOU HAD TRAILS AND FOR HIKING AND BIKING AND MAYBE THERE COULD BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR HORSEBACK RIDING OR OVER MULTI-USE TYPE OF ACTIVITIES, SORRY. BUT -- NOT NECESSARILY BALL FIELDS. BUT YOU CAN ALSO HAVE A PIECE THAT COULD BE -- AGRICULTURE CHURL OF COURSE AND ITS COULD BE -- HALF OF IT COULD BE STILL USED FOR AGRICULTURE AND ANOTHER PORTION COULD BE USED FOR CONSERVATION.
THERE'S A LOT OF I THINK DIFFERENT OPTIONS THAT WOULD BE INCLUDED IN WHAT YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO LOOK AT.
>> AND JUST A QUICK QUESTION. YOU MIGHT NOT KNOW. BUT THE PARCELS THAT YOU LISTED, DID THE COUNTY COME INTO THOSE BY
PURCHASE? BY GIFTS? >> THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. A LOT OF THESE PREDATE MY TIME WITH THE COUNTY. BUT FROM WHAT I CAN TELL, LOOKING AT A FEW OF THEM, IT'S KIND OF A MIX. I THINK SOME OF THEM CAME WITH STIPULATIONS THAT THE WAY THEY WOULD BE USED FOR A PARK. AND I KNOW THERE'S OTHER PIECES THAT ARE LIKE THAT. THEY COME WITH -- THEY'RE DONATED OR CONVEYED TO THE COUNTY AND THEY HAVE TO BE USED IN A CERTAIN PERIOD OF TIME FOR A CERTAIN PURPOSE. SOME OF THEM ARE LIKE THAT AND MAYBE SOME OF THEM WE ACQUIRED AS AN OPPORTUNITY THAT CAME ALONG.
>> AND WERE THEY PURCHASED GIST FOR CONSERVATION OR BECAUSE THEY
BECAME AVAILABLE? >> I COULDN'T REALLY SAY BECAUSE LIKE I SAID MOST OF THESE PREDATE MY TIME WITH THE COUNTY. IF I HAD TO GUESS, PROBABLY -- PROBABLY NOT FOR CONSERVATION. IF I HAD TO GUESS. SOME OF THEM MAY HAVE BEEN
THOUGH. >> WANTED TO GO BACK TO MARK'S QUESTION REAL QUICK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE DIFFERENT USES ON THE PROPERTY ACQUIRED WITH THE FUNDING. THE MANAGEMENT PLANS WOULD COME TO US CORRECT? WE WOULD HAVE SOME INPUT IN TERMS
OF THE USES OR NO? >> DODIE, DID YOU HEAR THAT QUESTION? ON THE MIC ITSELF. HELLO? OKAY. SO I MANAGE CAMP CHEN WAWA PARK AND I'M IN CHARGE OF MOCCASIN SLEW. THOSE WERE BOTH PURCHASED -- FLORIDA FOREVER FUNDS. I THINK MOCCASIN SLEW WE JOINED THE NORTH FLORIDA LAND TRUST AND AS WELL AS ST. JOHNS RIVER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT PURCHASED THAT. THAT WAS A CONSERVATION PROPERTY. AND THEN CAMP WAS ALSO A CONSERVATION PROPERTY. THEY BOTH HAVE MANAGEMENT PLANS. RIGHT NOW BEDO HAVE TO PROVIDE SO MANY EDUCATIONAL OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE COMMUNITY.
AND WE'RE WORKING ON EXPANDING RECREATIONAL OPPORTUNITIES AT MOCCASIN SLEW AS WELL. IF THAT HELPS.
>> ALL RIGHT. SORRY ABOUT THE TECHNOLOGY ISSUES THE EVENING.
>> JUST A SECOND AND TRY TO ANSWER A COUPLE OF THE QUESTIONS. JUST LOOKING AT CALEB'S LIST, I CAN TELL YOU SO LIKE OUR OUTDOOR ADVENTURE PARK, WHICH IS JUST NORTH OF 16 AND
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21, THAT INTERSECTION, THE COUNTY PURCHASED THAT PROPERTY WITH COUNTY MONEY AND ALSO PARTIAL GRANT FUNDING FROM THE STATE LEGISLATURE. SO THAT'S HOW WE GOT THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY.TO BE USED SPECIFICALLY FOR A REGIONAL PARK FACILITY. VETERANS PARK, WHICH IS WAY UP NEAR CECIL FIELD, THAT WAS DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE BACK IN LIKE 2006 I THINK. I HONESTLY THINK I WAS A COMMISSIONER WHEN WE GOT THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY. THAT'S A UNIQUE PIECE OF PROPERTY BECAUSE IT'S VERY HARD TO GET TO. SO THAT'S -- AND IT'S GOT TO BE USED FOR VERY SPECIFIC USES. SO IT'S REALLY MORE OF A PASSIVE PARK. AND IT'S GOT THOSE DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE RESTRICTIONS ON THAT. SO YOU CAN'T DO MUCH OF ANYTHING ELSE WITH IT AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
ROSEMARY HILL LANDS FILL I CAN TELL Y'ALL WE PURCHASED THAT PROPERTY OOH, WHEN I WAS IN HIGH SCHOOL I WOULD SAY. THAT PROPERTY WAS PURCHASED SO IT WAS QUITE A LONG TIME AGO BECAUSE I WILL REMEMBER AS LEEK A 16-YEAR-OLD PLAYING SOFTBALL ON BALL FIELDS OUT THERE. AND THEN TWO YEARS LATER, IT WAS A DUMP.
SO LITERALLY. SO THE FAIRGROUNDS, THE FAIRGROUNDS, THE COUNTY'S OWNED FOR A VERY LONG TIME. THE FAIR ASSOCIATION ALSO OWNS PART OF THAT. SO THAT'S THAT ONE. I DON'T KNOW ABOUT ALL OF THESE. BUT I JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF INSIGHT. THE OUTDOOR ADVENTURE PARK WHICH IS ON 215 NEAR CAMP LANDING WHICH IS WHERE OUR GUN RANGE IS, AND OUR ARCHERY RANGE, THAT WAS PURCHASED FROM THE PROPERTY OWNER FROM THE COUNTY WITH I THINK HONESTLY OVER THE YEARS, THERE WERE HOPES OF DOING SEVERAL DIFFERENT THINGS THERE.
BUT THAT'S ENDED UP BEING THE ULTIMATE USE FOR THAT PROPERTY.
ONE OF THE OTHER COMMENTS I WILL MAKE, WE HAVE A COUPLE OF PROPERTIES THAT WE HAVE MOUS WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER. NORTH FLORIDA LAND TRYST IS ONE OF THOSE AND ST. JOHNS RIVER WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT IS ANOTHER. AND THEY MAY OWN THOSE PROPERTIES, BUT WE DID A MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING THAT WE'RE GOING TO UTILIZE SOME OF THAT PROPERTY OR HELP MANAGE SOME OF THOSE PROPERTIES. SO HONESTLY, I THINK IT'S -- I THINK IT'S THE APERTURE IS VERY OPEN AS TO WHAT YOU CAN DO WITH THE PROPERTIES. SOMEBODY ELSE CAN OWN THEM AND THE TWO -- LIKE THE EXAMPLES I JUST GAVE YOU. AND WE JUST MAYBE HAVE SOME MANAGEMENT RIGHTS OR DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS BE PURCHASED OFF OF THEM.
OR WE CAN BUY THEM DIRECTLY. SO THERE'S LOTS OF OPTIONS. SO. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT HELPS. BUT HOPEFULLY.
>> THANK YOU, MA'AM. >> YES, MA'AM.
>> THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE WITH OUR TECHNOLOGY DELAYS. I HAVE GOT THE MAP UP IF YOU WANT TO SEE THAT. CALEB, IF YOU WANT TO SIT HERE YOU CAN DRIVE OR ZOOM IN AND OUT. YOU KNOW WHICH ONE YOU ARE LOOKING AT. WELL, JUST LET ME KNOW WHEN YOU WANT
ME TO SCROLL TO THE POINT. >> YES, SO THE PROPERTIES YOU'LL SEE ARE HIGHLIGHTED IN -- OR THEY'RE ANNOTATED IN RED AND SOME OF THE PROPERTIES. AND I JUST HAD THEM, YOU KNOW, PULL BASICALLY SOME OF THE LARGER PIECES. WE JUST TALKED ABOUT VETERANS PARK. IT'S UP AT THE NORTH. IT'S AT THE NORTH THERE ON TOP OF JENNINGS STATE FOREST BASICALLY. AND THEN YOU SEE THE -- BLACK CREEK PIECE I MENTIONED. IT'S A STRING OF DIFFERENT PARCELS THAT MAKE IT UP TOGETHER. SO --
>> THE YELLOW BUTTON ON THERE IS THE RED LASER POINTER.
>> I DON'T WANT TO OFFEND ANYBODY. BUT YEAH. GRAY HAIR SHOOTING RIGHT BY YOUR HEAD THERE. THERE'S MOCCASIN SLEW OF COURSE. THERE'S SLEEPY HOLLOW ON BLACK CREEK. THAT'S RONNIE VAN ZANT. THE GUN RANGE, THE -- OUTDOOR COMPLEX AND OUTDOOR ADVENTURE PARK RATHER. THERE'S A SPORTS COMPLEX. THAT'S ROSEMARY HILL. THE FAIR OF COURSE. THEN LIKE I MENTIONED, THIS IS BOYD PARK. WHICH IN THE AGREEMENT IT HAS TO BE USED AS A PARK IS MY UNDERSTANDING. AND THEN IF YOU GO A LITTLE BIT FURTHER SOUTH THERE, DODIE, THEN YOU SEE THIS BIG PIECE HERE I WAS TALKING ABOUT. SO THIS PIECE ON THE WEST SIDE IS A PARK. WITH BALL FIELDS. PART OF IT. AND THEN PART OF IT IS STILL WOODED.
AND THAT'S 50 ACRES AND THEN YOU HAVE GOT A BORROW PIT FOR
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THE COUNTY THAT'S BASICALLY JUST -- IT'S NOT ATTACHED BUT IT'S RIGHT DOWN THE ROAD SO IT KIND OF LOOKS LIKE IT'S ATTACHED. THAT'S 63 ACRES BUT THOSE ARE BASICALLY THE LARGEST PROPERTIES IN THE, YOU KNOW, THE COUNTY OWNS. THE MAP ALSO SHOWS THE STATE LAND THAT ARE BIG CONSERVATION PIECES. AND THE DIFFERENT GREENS. GO BACK DOWN DODIE, PLEASE. SCROLL DOWN A LITTLE BIT. I MEAN, SORRY. YEAH. THERE YOU GO. WE GOT IT. BYARD RIGHT THERE UP NEXT TO GREEN COVE. THERE'S A LOT OF PROTECTED OR CONSERVATION LAND ALREADY IN THE COUNTY AND I KNOW WE HAD TALKED ABOUT WORKING TO TRY TO, YOU KNOW, CONNECT THESE PIECES OR HELP CONNECT SOME OF THESE PIECES. THAT'S PART OF THE THING YOU KNOW, PART OF THE INITIATIVE IF YOU WILL. OF COURSE THIS BIG PIECE HERE CAMP LANDING ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE COUNTY. BUT ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE? I THINK WE'VE -- KIND OF RUN OVER THEM PRETTY GOOD HERE, BUT.>> I HAVE ONE QUESTION. WHAT'S THE DISCONNECT IN MOCCASIN SLEW? WHAT IS -- WHAT IS THAT? I MEAN, WHAT PARCELS AND WHAT KIND OF
PROPERTY ARE THOSE? >> YOU MEAN IN BLACK CREEK RIGHT
HERE? >> YEAH. THE DISCONNECT -- YEAH.
>> IN-BETWEEN THOSE PIECES I BELIEVE THERE'S -- THERE'S DEVELOPMENT I KNOW AND IT'S PART OF FLEMING ISLAND. SOME OF THE OTHER PIECES ARE OWNED BY THE -- HOMEOWNERS OR PROPERTY OWNERS' ASSOCIATIONS FOR THE MOST PART. I MEAN, I'M GENERALIZING, THERE MAY BE A FEW OTHER PRIVATELY OWNED PIECES IN THERE BUT MOST OF THAT THAT'S KIND OF BREAKING UP WHAT YOU SEE IS OWNED BY DIFFERENT PROPERTY OWNERS' ASSOCIATIONS IF I RECALL.
>> I WOULD ADD THAT THE -- I BELIEVE THE MAJORITY OF THAT IS
WETLANDS. >> HECK YEAH, IT IS.
>> THANK YOU. WE APPRECIATE YOUR TIME ON THAT.
>> YEAH, NO PROBLEM. >> OKAY. WE'LL MOVE ON TO INFORMATION ONLY ITEM NUMBER TWO. WHICH IS A DECISION REGARDING A QUORUM FOR DECEMBER 16TH AND I WILL PASS THAT TO DODIE BECAUSE I'M UNINFORMED ON THE ISSUE.
>> I JUST WANTED TO, YOU KNOW, KIND OF ADVANCE PLANNING LOOKING AT THE CALENDAR, MAKE SURE THAT EITHER YOU ARE COMFORTABLE WITH MEETING OR A LOT OF YOU HAVE TRAVEL PLANS AND YOU ARE NOT COMFORTABLE. JUST BECAUSE IT'S -- YOU KNOW, LIKE THE WEEK BEFORE CHRISTMAS. TOTALLY FINE WITH MEETING AND WE HAVE OTHER MEETINGS, BUT THE COURSE IS AS YOU GET CLOSE TO CHRISTMAS, PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, GET PLANS AND, YOU KNOW. I DIDN'T WANT TO MAKE A LAST-MINUTE DECISION, YOU KNOW. SO IF -- I JUST KIND OF WANTED A FEEL FROM YOU. DO WE HAVE A DECEMBER MEETING?
>> I GUESS RAISE YOUR HAND IF YOU THINK YOU'LL BE HERE ON THE
16TH. >> FABULOUS. OKAY. THEN I WILL MAKE SURE IT STAYS ON THE CALENDAR, OKAY. JUST WANTED TO
CHECK. >> ASSUMING YOU'LL BE HERE.
GOING TO MOVE INTO TALKING ABOUT THE DECISIONS -- WHICH IS THE MEAT OF THE DAY, TALKING ABOUT HOW WE'RE GOING TO GRADE THIS STUFF AND THE NOMINATION FORMS WHICH WE HAD DISCUSSED AT LENGTH AT THE LAST MEETING AND WE'RE WAITING FOR A COUPLE TRIAL RUNS TO UNDERSTAND BETTER. SO DODIE I'LL HAND THAT OFF TO YOU.
>> SO THE -- SORRY. SO YES. WE SAW THESE BEFORE. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE CONTENT THAT YOU WAN TO DISCUSS? DO WE NEED TO MAKE ANY CHANGES IS REALLY THE QUESTION THAT I'M
ASKING. >> STARTING FOCUSING ON THE
SCORING MATRIX RIGHT? >> YEP. THAT MATRIX -- YOU HAVE GOT A BIG PRINTOUT THERE. THIS ONE HERE. FOR ANYBODY TUNING IN, THE MATRIX IS WHAT YOU ARE GOING TO USE TO EVALUATE PROPERTIES SO THAT YOU HAVE THE SAME CRITERIA BEING USED TO JUDGE EACH PROPERTY THAT COMES TO YOU. AND THIS RUBRIC COMES FROM THE BLUEPRINT FOR SUCCESS THAT OUR CONSULTANTS FROM NORTHLAND TRUST
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PUT TOGETHER FOR US. >> I LIKE TO DEFER TO OUR SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS. THAT ARE MUCH MORE FAMILIAR WITH THIS KIND OF A DOCUMENT. JUST GETTING YOUR THOUGHTS AND YOUR FEEDBACK ON THE RUBRIC AND WHAT -- WHAT YOU THINK COMPARED TO OTHER RUBRICS MAYBE THAT YOU HAVE WORKED WITH.
>> I GUESS I CAN -- SAY THIS WAS KIND OF BASED OFF OF THE COUNTY WHICH, YOU KNOW, THEIR PROGRAM HAS BEEN AROUND FOR 20 SOMETHING YEARS NOW. AND SO YEAH, WE'VE KIND OF REVIEWED IT QUITE A FEW TIMES AND ALSO LOOKING AT IT IN TERMS OF WHAT DATA IS AVAILABLE TO HELP US ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS TOO BECAUSE THERE MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE NO WAY OF REALLY COMING UP WITH SOME KIND OF, YOU KNOW, TRANSPARENT WAY TO MEASURE IT.
KIND OF HOW WE NARROW IT DOWN TO THESE ONES REALLY LOOKING AT THE DATA AND WHAT OTHER COUNTIES HAVE DONE. BUT YEAH, CERTAINLY IT COULD BE -- I MEAN I KNOW ONE THING WE TALKED ABOUT WAS IF WE WANTED TO ADD PROPERTY VALUE SOMEWHERE.
>> OH. WELL, THAT SHOULDN'T BE OF -- A PART OF THIS DECISION.
BECAUSE THE VALUE OF THE PROPERTY IS GOING TO BE AN ECONOMIC DECISION THAT'S GOING TO GET WEIGHED IN ELSEWHERE SO TO SPEAK. THIS IS REALLY JUST THE CONDITION OF THE LAND.
>> QUESTION I HAVE. SO ARE -- WHEN THE PEOPLE APPLY TO SELL THEIR HAND TO US, ARE THEY GOING TO KIND OF GIVE US AN UNDERSTANDING? FOR INSTANCE, AGRICULTURAL SIDE. ARE THEY GOING TO KIND OF TELL US IF THE SOIL IS CONDUCIVE FOR GROWING CLOPS? I MEAN, THAT'S KIND OF -- I CAN'T WEIGH SOMETHING IF I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE LAND AND WE'RE NOT -- YOU KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT FIELD TRIPS. IF YOU DON'T GO SEE IT IN-PERSON,
HOW DO YOU UNDERSTAND IT? >> RIGHT. SO THE -- THE APPLICANT WILL HAVE THIS BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO PUT THIS ON THE WEBSITE, SO THAT WHEN THEY'RE CREATING THEIR APPLICATION, THEY'LL KNOW WHAT THE CRITERIA THAT THEIR PROPERTY WOULD THEN BE SCORED BY. AND SO THEY CAN HOPEFULLY ADDRESS SOME OF THOSE QUESTIONS UP FRONT IN THEIR APPLICATION. ADDITIONALLY, THE -- THE APPLICATION ITSELF GIVES THE APPLICANT THE OPPORTUNITY TO SAY, YOU KNOW, IT'S -- WHAT'S GOOD ABOUT IT, YOU KNOW, WHAT -- YOU KNOW, WHAT IS THE CURRENT USE? WHAT'S THERE NOW? AND IF IT'S -- IT'S BEEN AGO DULL CHURL FOR A WHILE AND THAT WAS THE INTENT AND THEY'RE WANTING TO RETAIN IT IN THAT USE, THEN THEY'D PROBABLY -- I'M GOING TOGUES -- THEY WOULD PROBABLY PROVIDE US WITH SOME HISTORY. RIGHT? ABOUT, YOU KNOW, I HAVE HAD THE PROPERTY AND IT'S BEEN IN MY FAMILY FOR THE LAST THREE GENERATIONS AND WE'VE HAD IT, YOU KNOW, AS VEGETABLE OR AS
TIMBER OR WHATEVER. YOU KNOW. >> COULD WE REQUIRE THAT MAYBE? LET'S SAY MAYBE -- IS YOUR FARMLAND AGRICULTURAL? YES. ON THE -- SUBJECT ANSWERS THEY HAVE TO ANSWER TO GIVE US KEY ANSWERS TO THEIR PROPERTY. IF IT'S WETLANDS. SAY YES HERE, CAN YOU -- THAT WAY WE ENSURE WE KIND OF HAVE SOME KNOWLEDGE COMING INTO
THIS. >> YOUR APPLICANTS PROBABLY AREN'T GOING TO HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION YOU ARE LOOKING FOR.
THAT'S REALLY THE NEXT STEP JOB OF THE STAFF AND THROUGH THE CONSULTANTS TO PROVIDE THAT. SO WE NEED THE APPLICANT TO TELL US, YOU KNOW, IS IT WET? WHAT'S THE CURRENT, YOU KNOW, IS IT --
AG, WHAT IS IT? >> BUT IF YOU ARE LOOKING AT THE TEMPLATE, IT DOES SAY ON THE BACK, DESCRIPTION ANALYSIS OF ENVIRONMENTAL RESOURCES AND FEATURES. PHOTOGRAPH OR VIDEO REPRESENTING THE CHARACTERISTICS OF THE PROPERTY. IT SEEMS LIKE THEY WOULD ADDRESS SOME OF THOSE DETAILS IN THEIR ADDITIONAL
INFORMATION. >> THOSE WERE OPTIONAL. THAT'S WHAT -- I MEAN, THOSE WERE THE OPTIONAL BASED ON THAT. THAT WAS KIND OF WHERE I WAS SAYING IS THERE SOME -- MAYBE SAYING YOU MUST FILL -- AT LEAST A MINOR DETAIL AND HAVE TO FILL A LITTLE DESCRIPTION IN THERE SO WE'RE NOT GETTING, YOU KNOW, SOMEONE JUST PLUGS IN' FIVE ITEMS AND SAYS HERE'S MY LAND, DO YOU WANT IT? WE'RE GOING TO ACTUALLY GO --
>> OVER THE APPLICATION IN A COUPLE OF MINUTES. SO -- YEAH.
>> NO POTENTIALLY AS A -- MIDDLE GROUND FOR THAT, IS THERE A PROCESS BY WHICH -- BECAUSE SOMETIMES WE MAY NOT NEED MORE INFORMATION. RIGHT? LIKE OH WE DON'T HAVE AGRICULTURAL OR NOT BUT IT'S -- $3 MILLION FOR AN ACRE WE'RE NOT INTERESTED. BUT -- WOULD THERE BE A WAY WHERE WHEN THE COMMITTEE IS GOING THROUGH OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE OUR TWO PATHWAYS WHERE WE ARE GOING TO PUT IT IN THE PILE OF NOMINATION OR WE DON'T THINK I SHOULD BE NOMINATED, COULD THERE A MIDDLE PATHWAY TO TABLE IT AND HAVE AN RFI TO THE APPLICANT AND SAY HEY WE'RE REALLY UNSURE.
THE LOOKS REALLY INTERESTING BUT WE'RE NOT CLEAR WHAT BROCCOLI YOU ARE FARMING. COULD YOU WITHIN 30 DAYS REPLY TO THE QUESTIONS AND THEN PICK THAT UP AT THE NEXT MEETING AS TABLED
>> THAT MIGHT ALLOW US TO SORT OF -- ESPECIALLY THE ONES WE WANT TO TEASE OUT THE INFORMATION THAT WOULD BE
RELEVANT. >> YEAH. MY GOAL IN GOING OVER
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THIS AND THE APPLICATION TONIGHT WAS TO KIND HAVE ALL THE DISCUSSIONS AND KIND OF WEED OUT AND I'M GOING TO SHOW YOU A TEMPLATE OF WHAT THE FIRST STAFF REPORT IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE TO YOU SO THAT YOU -- YOU ARE GETTING THE INFORMATION YOU THINK THAT YOU NEED TO MAKE A GOOD DECISION. RIGHT? AND THE BEST WAY TO DO THAT IS TO PUT IT INTO THE APPLICATION. RIGHT? SO JUST KIND OF WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE EITHER -- WELL, INTO THE APPLICATION OR INTO THE STAFF REPORT AND IT'S THEREFORE ON STAFF TO FILL IN THE BLANKS IN THE STAFF REPORT ITEMS. SO.>> CAN YOU PUT THE THING -- THE MATRIX BACK UP FOR A SECOND? AND SCROLL DOWN A LITTLE BIT TO THE WEIGHED IN CRISTICS. AND THIS KIND OF -- KIND OF GETS TO A QUESTION WE WERE DEBATING LAST TIME. WITH THE OVERALL DECISION AND I THINK WE ALL KIND OF GRAPPLED WITH IT OF HOW TO WEIGH A CONSERVATION EASEMENT VERSUS A PURCHASE WITH DIFFERENT PEOPLE HAVING DIFFERENT PRIORITIES ON THAT. I DON'T KNOW HOW IT'S FIXED BUT I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR PEOPLE'S OPINION SO WE'RE CLEARLY WEIGHTING -- IS THAT WEIGHTING APPROPRIATE? I WAS JUST CURIOUS WHAT PEOPLE THINK.
SO REALLY ALL OUR CONSERVATION EASEMENTS STUFF IS GOING TO FALL PRIMARILY INTO ONE FOUR FROM WHAT I'M SEEING AND IT WOULD GET POINTS -- BECAUSE IF WE'RE GOING TO CONSERVATION EASEMENT, THE LAND IS BEING USED FOR A PURPOSE. AND ARE WE GIVING ENOUGH WEIGHT TO CONSERVATION EASEMENTS? AND I JUST WANTED TO BRING IT UP BECAUSE IT WAS ONE OF THE LARGER DISCUSSIONS AT THE LAST MEETING OF HOW WE'RE GOING TO PRIORITIZE THAT. I WOULD BE INTERESTED TO HEAR PEOPLE'S THOUGHTS.
>> I THINK DIDN'T WE LOOK AT -- ACQUISITION ISSUES BE IT THE OVERALL CONSERVATION VALUES JUSTIFIES THE POTENTIAL COST? BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY IT WOULD BE LIKELY A LOWER COST SO I THINK IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, WE HAD DECIDED THAT MIGHT BE ADDRESSED
SOMEWHAT THROUGH THAT ONE? >> OKAY. SO IT WOULD GET -- MORE WEIGHTING BECAUSE IT'S IN THE HEAVILY WEIGHTED SECTION AND THEN 50% OF THE OTHER SECTION. YEAH.
>> YEAH, LIKE -- >> I MEAN, WHEN I LOOK AT THIS RUBRIC, IT LENDS ITSELF TO CONSERVATION EASEMENTS BECAUSE YOU ARE GOING TO GET ALL FIVE IN MANAGEMENT BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING TO IT. RIGHT? THERE'S NO COST TO MANAGING A CONSERVATION EASEMENTS SO IT'S ALL FIVES.
JUST SAYING. SO -- AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THERE'S STILL SOCIAL AND HUMAN VALUES TO CONSERVATION EASEMENTS. SO -- YEAH. I MEAN, AND THERE'S OBVIOUSLY HABITAT VALUES AND OTHER VALUES THERE THAT THEY WOULD BE LESS THAN SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS. THE RECREATION FALL VALUES ARE OBVIOUSLY NOT GOING TO BE THERE AN THE CONSERVATION EASEMENT. BUT -- WHEN I RAN IT THAT WAY, YOU KNOW, IT COMES OUT ONE WAY. I WAS THINKING BECAUSE OF THE COUNTY'S OTHER CONSTRAINTS BUDGETARILY THAT ACQUIRING A LOT OF FEE WOULD PROBABLY BE PROBLEMATIC. BUT SAY WE BOUGHT A -- TRIED TO RUN IT ON A COUPLE OF PIECES, YOU KNOW, SAY WE BOUGHT AN OLD BORROW PIT TO TURN IT INTO A FISHING OPPORTUNITY.
YOU KNOW, BECAUSE RECREATION WAS ONE OF THE HIGHER USES WE WERE LOOKING AT. WHATEVER WAS RECOMMENDED BY THE PUBLIC I GUESS. AND WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF -- I THINK RONNIE VAN ZANT MAY BE OUR ONLY FISHING OPPORTUNITY FOR THE PUBLIC. I'M NOT SURE THAT THAT'S -- OTHER THAN THE RIVER. I GET THAT THAT'S A BIG ONE BUT YOU KNOW YOU NEED A BOAT TO ACCESS THAT.
BUT I THINK VAN ZANT PARK IS PRETTY POPULAR FOR THAT. I THINK THEY HAVE A LOT OF FISHING RODEOS AND STUFF THERE TOO. I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T PARTICIPATE. BUT I'M NOT A FISHERMAN. BUT WHEN I RUN IT THROUGH FOR THAT OPPORTUNITY, I GET LIKE A ONE OUT OF -- WHATEVER THE FINAL SCORE WAS.
BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, U YOU ARE TAKING A REALLY BAD SITE AND MAYBE I WAS SCORING IT WRONG, YOU KNOW,. BUT -- I THOUGHT IT WAS AN OPPORTUNITY AND SO I JUST DON'T KNOW AND MAYBE -- I AGAIN THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I WANT TO RUN SOME OF THE -- REALLY CAN'T HONESTLY HARD TO -- CRITICIZE THIS BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW HOW IT'S GOING TO WORK UNTIL I DO IT. MY BOSS HAS A GREAT SAYING THE SECOND TIME HE DOES STUFF, HE'S REALLY GOOD AT IT. SO -- I KIND OF FEEL LIKE THIS IS HOW IT'S GOING TO BE BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHAT I'M DOING TILL I DO IT.
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>> ANY OTHER FEEDBACK ON THAT? I FEEL THE SAME WAY UNTIL I GO THROUGH THE TRIAL EXERCISE. I'M TAKING IT ON FAITH BECAUSE I KNOW A LOT OF THOUGHT AND, YOU KNOW, KNOWLEDGE WENT INTO MAKING IT. SO -- IF NOTHING REALLY KIND OF JUMPS OUT TO ANYBODY RIGHT NOW, AND WE'RE KIND OF WANTING TO WORK WITH IT. WE'LL WORK WITH IT THROUGH THE TRIAL EXERCISE AND MAKE A DECISION AT THE END
OF THAT. >> ONLY THING THAT JUMPED OUT AT ME LAST TIME WAS THE -- TABLE THAT SHOWED THE RANKING OF THE VOTING -- OF THE COUNTY WAS THE EXACT OPPOSITE OF THE PUBLIC AND THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS. FARMERS IN FORCE WAS RANKED LAST AND BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS FIRST AND THE PUBLIC. SO I MEAN, THAT -- THAT'S PRETTY -- BIG DIFFERENCE. AND IF WE'RE, YOU KNOW, F WE'RE GOING TO THE PUBLIC AND SAYING WE'RE GOING TO PUT FARMERS AND FORESTS FIRST. THE BOARD SAYS THAT'S LAST ON THE LIST.
>> THAT CHANGED. THAT TABLE THE INITIAL FOR RUN THROUGH, WAS AT THE VERY BEGINNING OF THE PROGRAM, SO THERE WAS NOT --
>> WHY ISN'T IT INCLUDED ON HERE THEN?
>> BECAUSE IT'S PART OF THE HISTORY OF THE PROGRAM.
>> OH OKAY. NEW ONE ON THERE THEN. WHY -- YOU SAID THERE'S A
NEW ONE. NEW VOTE? >> THAT'S -- SO IT WENT TO THE BOARD FIRST FOR THEIR OPINIONS AND THEN IT WENT OUT TO THE PUBLIC AND THEN IT WAS BROUGHT BACK TO -- WELL, ACTUALLY WENT TO THE PUBLIC TWICE -- TWO DIFFERENT FORMATS. AND THEN CAME BACK TO THE BOARD AND THE BOARD RESAYSED AND TOOK A LOOK AT ALL OF THAT INFORMATION TOGETHER. AND PROVIDED THE FINAL LISTING OF THE PRIORITIES THAT WE HAD THAT THEY'RE IN THE -- NOT IN THAT TABLE, BUT THEY ARE IN THE REFERENDUM THAT WAS ADOPTED. SO THE FOREST AND FARMS AND DRINKING WATER AND THE WILDLIFE HABITAT CONNECTIVITY PIECE. THOSE ARE THE THREE TOP GOALS OF
THE PROGRAM. CONSERVATION GOALS. >> OKAY. JUST --
>> SECONDARY ONES. BUT -- >> I SHOULDN'T LOOK AT THAT?
SORRY. >> IT'S -- IT'S MORPHED AND MOVED ON FROM THAT POINT. THAT WAS A SNAPSHOT.
>> OKAY. THAT WAS JUST CONFUSING TO ME.
>> SORRY. DIDN'T MEAN TO CONFUSE YOU.
>> I DIDN'T REALIZE THE OTHER ONE WAS ALREADY CHANGED AND
EVERYTHING. SO. >> I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THE ACQUISITION ISSUES. THE POTENTIAL FOR PURCHASING THE PROPERTY WITH MATCHING FUNDS. HOW WOULD WE KNOW ABOUT THE AVAILABILITY OF THOSE VARIOUS FUNDS? WOULD THERE BE A RESOURCE
TO DETERMINE -- >> SO SEVERAL WAYS. ONE, IT'S POSSIBLE THAT THE APPLICANTS WILL BE ABLE TO TELL US THAT. WE HAVE A GRANTS DEPARTMENT WITH THE COUNTY.SO THEY WILL START GETTING INVOLVED WITH THIS AND DOING SOME RESEARCH ON WHAT'S OUT THERE. SO WE'LL KIND OF COMPILE THAT. AND THAT WILL GET BROUGHT IN TO THE PICTURE DOWN THE ROAD. AFTER -- YOU GUYS HAVE MADE SOME DECISIONS AND MADE A LIST, BASED ON THE CONSERVATION VALUE OF THE PROPERTY, THEN THE BOARD WILL MAKE THEIR DECISION ABOUT WHICH ONES THEY WANT TO GO WITH AND THEN MONEY WILL START TO ENTER THE PICTURE AT THAT POINT. YEAH. OKAY. WELL, THEN -- NOT HEARING OTHER ISSUES TOO MUCH WITH THE FORM AT THE MOMENT. WE'LL USE IT AND MOVE FORWARD WITH IT. SO LET ME -- GO DOWN. WHAT WAS THE NEXT THING ON OUR AGENDA? I'M SOARRY.
>> YES, MA'AM. SO -- WE KIND OF SKIPPED A LITTLE BIT OVER THE NOMINATION FORM. MOVING TO ITEM FIVE. THE SAMPLE LAND
ACQUISITION EXERCISE KICKOFF. >> WELL, WE DON'T WANT TO SKIP
OVER THAT. SO LET ME GO BACK. >> WE KIND OF TALKED ABOUT IT A
LITTLE BIT. >> WE DID. LET ME SEE IF I CAN FIND IT. IS THIS THE APPLICATION FORM THAT WE HAVE. SO IT GIVES YOU BASIC APPLICANT INFORMATION, PROPERTY OWNER INFORMATION, OPPORTUNITY FOR THE PROPERTY OWNER IF THEY'RE BROUGHT IN TO THE APPLICATION INITIALLY TO PROVIDE ACCESS AUTHORIZATION TO ACTUALLY GO ON THE SITE. AND THEN ADDITIONAL PROJECT INFORMATION, SO ADDRESSING -- HERE'S CHECKING A BOX FOR EITHER CONSERVATION EASEMENT OR PURCHASE OF DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS.
THE ACREAGE PARCEL NUMBER S -- SOME OF THIS FUTURE LAND USE AND ZONING. THE APPLICANT PROBABLY ISN'T GOING TO KNOW. BUT THAT'S -- THINGS THAT STAFF WILL THEN FILL IN. AND THEN A BOX WITH THE PROJECT DESCRIPTION. AND THEN BELOW THAT IS A -- KIND OF DO NOT WRITE BELOW THE LINE KIND OF GENERAL INFORMATION. I FOUND TWO OTHER APPLICATIONS OUT THERE THAT I
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THOUGHT HAD SOME INFORMATION THAT I THOUGHT WAS WORTH CAPTURING AND I WANTED TO GET YOUR FEEDBACK. WE CAN CERTAINLY USE THIS APPLICATION THE WAY IT IS A. IT'S ALMOST A MIMIC OF -- AGAIN OF THE OTHER COUNTY AND OF COURSE WORKS FOR THEM JUST FINE.BUT I WANTED TO PASS THIS OTHER COUPLE OF APPLICATIONS OFF IN FRONT OF YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. THIS IS NASSAU COUNTY. THEY PUT IN A BOX FOR THE APPLICANT TO LETS US KNOW -- IF THEY'RE COMMITTING MATCHING FUNDING AND I'M NOT QUITE SURE IF THAT WORKS. I WOULD HAVE TO ASK NASSAU EXACTLY HOW THEY'RE UTILIZING THAT. AND ARE THE APPLICANTS ACTUALLY LETTING THEM KNOW THAT AHEAD OF TIME? BUT IF SO, THAT'S THE KIND OF INFORMATION THAT I THINK WE ALL WANT TO KNOW. AND IT -- IT LISTS THE DOLLAR AMOUNT AND A MATCHING FUNDING SOURCE SO THAT WAS THE FIRST PIECE. THEN THERE'S TWO BOXES DOWN HERE. THEY SPELL OUT THAT IT'S A WILLING SELLER PROGRAM. AND THAT LANDOWNERS THAT ARE PARTICIPATING MIGHT GET EXTRA POINTS IN THE PROPERTY RANKINGS. BUT NOW I'M -- OH. THAT WAS ASIDE FROM NOT THE APPLICANT. BUT INCORPORATING THE LANDOWNER AT THE GOING OF -- BEGINNING OF THE APPLICATION PROCESS. APPARENTLY THEY HAVE IT SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT PROCESS. BUT IT ALLOWS YOU TO -- THE APPLICANT TO SAY IF THEY'VE GOT THE LANDOWNER INVOLVED. AND THEN WE HAVE A BOX HERE ABOUT THE LANDOWNER, ARE YOU WILLING TO DONATE A PORTION OF THE VALUE OF THE SALE OF YOUR EASEMENTS OR PROPERTY? WHICH AGAIN, I THOUGHT WAS NICE TO KNOW AHEAD OF TIME.
AND/OR AT LEAST GET THEM THINKING ABOUT IF THEY EVEN IF THEY WERE NOT PREPARED TO CHECK YES OR NO. AND WE'RE NOT SURE THEY'LL GIVE US THE VALUE THEY'RE SEEKING FROM THE SALE.
I SUSPECT MOST PEOPLE WILL PROBABLY NOT WANT TO FILL IN THAT BOX BEFORE THEY HAVE TO. IF SOMEBODY HAS SOMETHING IT WOULD BE NICE -- THE DOLLAR AMOUNT IN MIND BE KIND OF NICE TO KNOW.
MAYBE BEFORE I GO ON, LET ME ASK YOU, WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT
THOSE THREE? WOULD YOU -- >> I LIKE THE DONATION PORTION.
ESPECIALLY -- I MEAN, ESPECIALLY IF IT SAYS WOULD YOU EVEN CONSIDER DONATING A PART OF THIS OR A PIECE BUT BE A QUESTION WE CAN CONSIDER. THAT MAY WEIGH HEAVIER ON OUR OPINION IF THEY'RE WILLING TO GIVE US A FRACTION OF IT DISCOUNTED.
>> AND WOULDN'T -- I MEAN, A DONATION WOULD TECHNICALLY BE MATCHED. SO YOU CAN ALMOST COMBINE THOSE TWO SECTIONS? AND SAY IS THERE A MATCH HERE? AND THEN EXPLAIN A DONATION WE WOULD CONSIDER A MATCH AND THERE'S TAX IMPLICATIONS AND I THINK THAT COULD ALL BE WRAPPED INTO ONE THING.
>> INTO ONE. >> ANOTHER REALLY GOOD EXAMPLE.
ESPECIALLY IN CLAY COUNTY IS AROUND CAMP LANDING. THERE'S FEDERAL FUNDING TO SECURE THE ARMY COMPATIBLE USE BUFFER. IF THEY'RE WITHIN THE THREE MILE BUFFER OF CAMP LANDING, THEY COULD CHECK IN -- THERE'S MATCH AVAILABLE, YOU JUST GOT TO TALK TO THESE FOLKS. I THINK THE DONATION IS VERY IMPORTANT BECAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE LOOKING FOR WAYS TO BRING DOWN THEIR INCOME FOR TAXES. AND IF THEY CAN HIT THAT EXACT AMOUNT TO DROP A BRACKET. IT MIGHT BE VERY INTERESTING TO THEM.
>> YEAH. OKAY. WELL, THAT'S TWO OF THE THREE. AND THEN THE WILLING SELLER PORTION -- THAT COULD BE -- JUST INCORPORATED AS LIKE A SINGLE LINE STATEMENT JUST UNDER THE SIGNATURE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. FOR THE APPLICANT RATHER THAN MAKING IT A WHOLE BOX LIKE THIS THAT'S TAKING UP A LOT OF SPACE.
>> JUST PUT IT IN WITH YOUR ACCESS AUTHORIZATION. HAVE TWO
BULLETS UNDER OWNER SIGNATURE. >> OKAY. OKAY. I SENSE A
QUESTION ON THE END. >> MAYBE I'M JUST NOT SEEING IT. AND THIS STEMS FROM A CONVERSATION FROM A LANDOWNER THAT IS NOT WITHIN OUR COUNTY. AND HE HAD BEEN APPROACHED BY THAT COUNTY TO PUT HIS LAND IN CONSERVATION. AND ONCE THEY SAID OH, BY THE WAY, THERE'S EASEMENTS AVAILABLE, THEN HE WAS VERY EXCITED. IS THERE SOME PLACE ON OUR APPLICATION THAT
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LETS EVERYBODY KNOW THAT THERE IS CONSERVATION EASEMENTS AVAILABLE SORRY, AND WHAT -- YOU KNOW, HOW THEY CAN GO ABOUTSEEKING THAT OUT? >> SO THE APPLICATION DOES SAY -- ASK THE APPLICANT, ARE YOU WILLING TO SELL PROPERTY IN TOTAL? RIGHT? AS A FEASIBLE SALE TRANSACTION OR ARE YOU INTERESTED IN THE CONSERVATION EASEMENT OPTION? WHETHER THEY WOULD GRANT US, YOU KNOW, AN EASEMENT AND WE WOULD PAY FOR,
YOU KNOW, DEVELOPMENT VALUE. >> DOES THE -- APPLICATION INFORMATION GOING OUT ON THE WEB PAGE AND STUFF HAVE A BIT THAT EXPLAINS WHAT A CONSERVATION EASEMENT IS THAT YOU KEEP THE LAND AND LOSE THE DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS AND LIKE I DON'T THINK IT SHOULD BE ON THIS FORM. BUT FOR PEOPLE NOT VERSED IN THAT REAL ESTATE ASPECT IT MIGHT BE A GOOD BLURB TO HAVE ON THE WEB
PAGE. >> IT WOULD. WE'RE GOING TO DO SOME BROCHURES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. . WE DON'T HAVE THEM PUT TOGETHER YET. BUT YES, AN IMPORTANT PIECE. YOU MAKE A
NOTE. >> ISN'T THE -- LANDOWNER AUTHORIZATION KIND OF KEY TO THIS WHOLE THING? I MEAN, I KEEP GOING BACK TO ITS AND I KNOW WE WANT PEOPLE TO NOMINATE LANDS BESIDES THE LANDOWNERS. WE KIND OF TO HAVE TO AUTHORIZATION FROM THEM TO EVALUATE THEM. I MEAN, I DON'T WANT ANYBODY TO WASTE
THEIR TIME. >> RIGHT? OF COURSE.
>> WOULD YOU -- >> NOMINATE EVERYTHING -- A LOT OF PLACES THAT I KNOW OF, THEY'RE WASTING THEIR TIME.
>> WELL, WHAT WE'LL EITHER GET AN APPLICATION WHERE THE APPLICANT EITHER IS THE LANDOWNER OR KNOWS THE LANDOWNER OR CONTACTS THE LAND OWNER AND GETS THEM INVOLVED INITIALLY.
AND CERTAINLY THAT'S PREFERABLE. BUT IF WE GET APPLICATIONS THAT THEY HAVEN'T REACHED OUT OR WHATEVER, THEN THEY'RE NOT THE OWNER, THEN IT'S GOING TO BE STAFF'S RESPONSIBILITY I THINK TO DO THAT. REACH OUT TO THE APPLICANT AND SAY LOOK, WE'VE RECEIVED THIS APPLICATION. SOMEONE IS NOMINATED PROPERTY THAT YOU OWN. ARE YOU INTERESTED? AND HERE'S, YOU KNOW, THIS -- WE'RE GOING THE LOOK AT THIS FOR THE VERY FIRST LOOK AT AT THE PROPERTY ON MEETING WHATEVER. YOU KNOW, ON THIS DATE. YOU KNOW, CAN YOU LET ME KNOW BEFORE WE GET TO THAT MEETING? SO THAT WE CAN, YOU KNOW, INCORPORATE THAT INTO THE STAFF REPORT OR PULL IT FROM THE AGENDA. AND SO I THINK THAT WOULD BE HOPEFULLY COVERED BEFORE THE FIRST MEETING. SO THAT YOU ARE NOT GOING THROUGH STUFF, YOU KNOW, FOR SEVERAL MONTHS THAT THE OWNER IS NOT AT ALL INTERESTED IN, YOU KNOW.
>> I THINK THE TAX WRITEOFF PIECE IS CRUCIAL TOO.
>> TAX -- BENEFIT, YEAH. >> TO HIGHLIGHT THAT.
>> YEAH. OKAY. THANK YOU AND LET ME LOOK AT THE OTHER ONE. WHICH WAS FROM PASCO COUNTY. THEY HAD A COUPLE OF INTERESTING PIECES.
THEY ASKED ABOUT THE CURRENT LAND USE AND A DISTRIBUTION OF -- DESCRIPTION OF THE ACTIVITIES ON THE SITE. WHICH WE BROUGHT EARLIER. YOU BROUGHT AS BEING IMPORTANT TO KNOW? IS A IT AG OR NO? AND THEY ACTUALLY SPECIFICALLY CALL THAT OUT AS WELL. THEY HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT DOES THE PROPERTY HAVE A LIEN OR OTHER PERTINENT TITLE ENCROACHMENT? I THINK THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT. SO I WOULD LIKE TO IDEA -- ADD THAT. THEY ASK IF THE PROPERTY HAS A BILLBOARD ON THE SITE. AND THEN THAT SPECIFIC QUESTION ABOUT IS THE PROPERTY CURRENTLY BEING LEASED FOR AGRICULTURAL PURPOSES OR I WOULD SAY LEASED R USED. LEASING IS
NOT REALLY RELEVANT. BUT -- >> SO SAY THE PROPERTY DID HAVE A BILLBOARD ON IT. IS CLAY COUNTY AMENABLE TO CONTINUING A BILLBOARD LEASE AND EARNING THE REVENUE FROM IT?
>> THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING I PROBABLY COULDN'T ANSWER CALEB
SAYS YES. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. >> SO -- I THINK THAT'S REALLY RELEVANT AND IT COULD BE EXPANDED MORE TO DOES THIS PROPERTY PRODUCEREVENUE? AND IF SO, HOW? IT HAS A CELL TOWER LEASE. YOU KNOW, THAT'S -- CELL TOWERS MAKE GOOD MONEY. AND THEY DON'T HAVE A HUGE FOOTPRINT AND THEY NEED WOODS AROUND THEM IN CASE THEY FALL OVER. SO -- I WOULD REALLY LIKE THAT AND I WOULD EXPAND IT MORE TO BETTER UNDERSTAND THE PROPERTY. IF THERE'S A REVENUE SOURCE, THAT'S EVEN BETTER.
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>> OKAY. BIG HELP, THANK YOU. >> I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THE KIND OF AGRICULTURAL I GUESS EASEMENTS. IT IS KIND OF BROAD, BUT WE HAVE FOR PROJECT DESCRIPTION. AND I KNOW WE WERE TALKING ABOUT LIKE WHAT'S THE OPERATION OR ANYTHING. BUT I'M KIND OF CURIOUS TO KNOW LIKE VERY SPECIFICALLY LIKE IF THEY HAVE SOMETHING IN MIND, LIKE -- WHAT THEY WOULD DO WITH I GUESS THE EARNINGS FROM A PURCHASE OF AN EASEMENT. LIKE IF THEY WANTED TO PLANT OUT A PASTURE TO BE LIKE SILVA PASTURE INSTEAD OF JUST A KIND OF GRAZING OPEN LAND OPERATION OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. LIKE IF THEY'RE USING IT TO ALSO ENHANCE THE ENVIRONMENTAL VALUE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. AND I'M -- I THINK LIKE IF THEY -- IF THERE WAS SOMETHING LIKE HOW DO YOU THINK THIS WILL ENHANCE THE ENVIRONMENT? MAYBE. AT LEAST FOR THE AGRICULTURAL SIDE BECAUSE I THINK IT CAN --
>> YEP. MIGHT SWAY AND CERTAINLY PROVIDE YOU A LOT MORE
INFORMATION. YEAH. >> AND I'M NOT SURE HOW THAT KIND OF FITS INTO THE RUBRIC WE HAVE EITHER. I KNOW WE HAVE BEST MANAGEMENT PRACTICES. BUT DOES THAT MEAN JUST KIND OF LIKE WHAT FDAX, LIKE AREN'T THOSE KIND OF NOW A REQUIREMENT FOR MOST
>> I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY ELSE HAS --
>> IN THE RUBRIC, I WOULD SAY THE BEST MANAGEMENT PRACTICES COULD REALLY BE A MIXTURE OF A VARIETY OF THINGS. SO IF IT'S A -- CIVIC CULTURAL PROPERTY AND THEY CAN PROVIDE A MANAGEMENT PLAN MADE BY A THIRD PARTY THAT HAS WILDLIFE CONVERSATIONS. TO ME THAT WOULD FACTOR HEAVILY INTO BEST MANAGEMENT PRACTICES OR INDEPENDENT REVIEWS FOR THEIR LOGGING OPERATIONS. IF THEY CAN PROVIDES RECORDS OF PESTICIDE APPLICATION ON FARMS AND HOW THEY CONTROL DRIFT AND OVERSPRAY. AND THAT COULD BE SOMETHING EITHER COMES WITH YOUR OPTIONAL INFORMATION OR WE ASK FOR IT AND SAY, YOU KNOW, YOU ARE GROWING WHATEVER AND SPRAYING 10,000-GALLON OS WEEK ON THIS STUFF. CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHY? BUT I THINK IT'S A VALID ARGUMENT SPECIFICALLY TRYING TO JUDGE THE ECOLOGICAL CART OF AN INDUSTRIAL LAND. YOU HAVE TO DIG
AROUND A LITTLE BIT. >> I'D HATE TO SEE -- YOU ARE RIGHT, BECAUSE WHAT IF WE TAKE A CONSERVATION EASEMENT OFWET LANDS AND THEY'RE USING PESTICIDES AND WE HAVE TO GO AND MITIGATE IT. S THAT'S SOMETHING WE REALLY NEED TO CONSIDER.
>> TWO QUESTIONS, CALEB AND MAYBE I COULD DIRECT TO YOU IF POSSIBLE. THE FIRST ONE IS WHEN YOU GUYS PURCHASE LANDS, YOU DO ENVIRONMENTAL CONDITION OF PROPERTY IN THE RIGHT DURING THE PURCHASING AND LOOK AT IT HISTORY AND ANY DUMPING OR -- I'M SOARRY, THE MILITARY WILL -- BUT PHASE ONE IS.
>> WE WOULD DO A PHASE ONE IF -- >> OKAY.
>> DEPENDS ON WHAT WE WERE GOING TO USE IT FOR BUT IF WE SUSPECT IT WE WOULD CERTAINLY DO PHASE ONE.
>> INDUSTRIAL BACKGROUND OF MY KIND.
>> THAT'S WHAT YOU ARE REFERRING TO CORRECT?
>> I GUESS FROM MY KNOWLEDGE THE SECOND QUESTION WOULD BE MORE ON THE CONSERVATION EASEMENT SIDE OF THE HOUSE. IN MY EXPERIENCE THEY ARE INFINITELY NEGOTIABLE. YOU CAN SET THE TERMS OF THAT CONSERVATION EASEMENT AND SELLER CAN REALLY FOR WHATEVER THEY WANT. JUST AFFECTS THE FINAL VALUE OF THE EASEMENT. IS THERE ANY LINES IN SAND FOR CLAY COUNTY AS FAR AS THINGS THEY WOULDN'T GIVE UP ON A CONSERVATION EASEMENT? I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY LIKE CONDOS WOULD BE A NO. BUT -- ARE THERE RED LINES IN SAND THAT CLAY COUNTY WOULD HAVE?
>> I THINK THAT WOULD BE A POINT OF DISCUSSION PROBABLY FOR YOU IS, YOU KNOW, IS THIS -- GREEN IS WHAT I WOULD SAY. OBVIOUSLY I DON'T THINK WE WOULD BE ACQUIRING PROPERTY FOR THE PROGRAM IF IT WAS GOING TO BE DEVELOPED IN THE FUTURE. I MEAN, IN MY MIND I WAS THINKING YOU ARE BASICALLY TAKING IT OFF THE MARKET FOR THE TYPE OF RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT OR COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. NOW --
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>> THE ONLY EXAMPLE I WOULD THROW LIKE I KNOW FOR -- SOME OF THE CONSERVATION AND EASEMENTS WE BOUGHT AROUND BLANDING, PREVIOUS NORTH FLORIDA LAND TRUST, THERE WAS SOME WEIRD CLAUSES LIKE NO CITRUS FARMS BECAUSE THEY TEND TO BE HEAVILY MANAGED BY HERBICIDES AND PESTICIDES. ONE OF THEM WAS NO IMPROVED PASTURES AND THERE WAS SOME WEIRD QUALIFICATION, MY EXPERIENCE IS THAT -- ONE OF THEM WAS LIKE YOU CAN ONLY BUILD ONE HOUSE EVERY TWO ACRES THROUGH THE FUTURE. SO -- YOU KNOW, THERE'S ALL SORTS OF WEIRD THINGS YOU CAN PUT ON
THERE. >> I THINK YOU ARE KIND OF DISH -- IT WOULD DEPEND ON THE PROPERTY AND WHAT RESTRICTIONS WE KIND OF WANT TO LAY ON IT OR NOT. I CAN SEE A PROPERTY WITH THE OWNER WANTED TO KEEP A PIECE FOR THEMSELVES AND HEY, I WANT TO BE ABLE TO KEEP MY HOUSE. I WANT TO BE ABLE TO ADD A HOUSE, MAYBE IN THE FUTURE. AND MAYBE . BUT THE REMAINDER IF IT'S -- ESPECIALLY A LARGE PIECE, YOU KNOW THAT MIGHT BE PERFECTLY FINE. I THINK IT WOULD JUST DEPEND ON THE SITUATION. BUT AS YOU POINTED OUT, YEAH, IT WOULD BE A NEGOTIATION ABOUT WHAT WE WOULD WANT TO RESTRICT OR NOT RESTRICTS ON IT GOING FORWARD. I
WOULD THINK. >> AND THEN THAT'S -- WHAT I WAS DRIVING AT WITH THAT QUESTION IS -- I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE MAKING THIS TOO DICTIONARY-LIKE, BUT IF SOMEBODY CHECKS THE I'M LOOKING FOR A CONSERVATION EASEMENT BOX, WE MIGHT WANT TO HAVE THEM HAVE A BRIEF DESCRIPTION OF WHAT THEY ENVISION THEIR CONSERVATION EASEMENT TO BE. IF THEY COME AND SAY I WOULD LIKE TO SELL MY CONSERVATION EASEMENT TO YOU, OH, AND RETAIN THE RIGHT TO HAVE A HELICOPTER JET PORT AND A SAND PIT AND A SOLAR FARM, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING WE'D NEED TO KNOW BECAUSE WE'D RANK IT LOWER RIGHT? DON'T REALLY NEED TO PAY A CONSERVATION EASEMENT AND THEN ALLOW THEM TO MAKE MONEY ON A SOLAR FARM IN MY OPINION. I DON'T KNOW. IT JUST MIGHT HELP -- WEED OUT SOME OF THE ONES THAT PEOPLE HAVE UNREALESTIC EXPECTATIONS THEY MIGHT GET OUT OF THE CONSERVATION EASEMENT.
>> I THINK AS WE GO FORWARD, I MEAN THERE'S ALWAYS NEW STUF THAT COMES UP THAT YOU WERE NOT THINKING ABOUT. BUT WE WOULD MOVE TO AGREEMENTS AND CONTRACTS THAT WOULD HAVE THE APPROPRIATE CLAUSES, YOU KNOW, AS WE WORK WITH OUR LEGAL TEAM TO MAKE SURE THAT WE KIND OF COVERED MOST OF OUR BASES ON WHAT WE WOULD ALLOW AND WOULDN'T ALLOW AND AND WE WARRANT TO KIND OF STANDARDIZE
THAT I WOULD SAY. >> FOR THIS PROGRAM THAT'D BE A STANDARDIZED CONSERVATION EASEMENT.
>> ALWAYS GOING TO BE STUFF THAT MAYBE MIGHT BE OUTSIDE OF THAT THAT WE CAN NEGOTIATE OR TALK ABOUT. BUT YOU KIND OF WANT TO STAY -- HAVE A STANDARD STARTING FORM AND CLAUSES AND THINGS THAT YOU WOULD WANT INCLUDED THAT YOU WOULD GO AS A GUIDEBOOK.
>> YEAH. I THINK -- I FULLY SUPPORT THAT. AND THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING YOU WANT TO GO OUT WITH THE ADVERTISEMENT. SAY THIS IS OUR SORT OF STANDARD CONSERVATION EASEMENT AND THIS IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO PURCHASE AS FAR AS YOUR RIGHTS.
>> I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT WE CONSIDER LIFE ESTATES ON A CONSERVATION EASEMENT. ALLOW THEM TO HAVE THEIR PROPERTY UNTIL THEIR DEATH AND THEN WE OBTAIN THE PROPERTY AS CLAY
COUNTY ONCE -- >> I WOULD THINK THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING WE'D -- LIKE I SAID EACH CASE COULD BE DIFFERENT BUT A LOT OF PEOPLE LIKE TO DO THAT SORT OF THING. HEY I WANT TO SORT OF STAY HERE OR I WANT TO GUARANTEE THIS RELATIVE OR THAT RELATIVE CAN STAY ON THE PROPERTY. BUT AFTER THEY PASS AWAY IT WOULD REVERT IN TOTAL TO THE COUNTY. YEAH, I WOULD THINK
WE WANT TO CONSIDER THAT. >> SO CONSERVATION EASEMENTS I HAVE BEEN INVOLVED WITH PROBABLY MOST OF LESS OF THE PEOPLE ON THIS BOARD, THE VALUE IS BASED ON THE RIGHTS YOU RETAIN. SO -- THAT'S PART OF THE -- WHAT HE'LL HAVE TO DO NEGOTIATING-WISE IS THE MORE RIGHTS THEY RETAIN THE LESS YOU PAY. SO IF YOU WANT TO PUT A SOLAR FIELD YOU GET A DOLLAR.
>> KIND OF GOES BACK TO YOUR QUESTION OF THE WILLING SELLER RIGHT? HOW MUCH TIME TO PUT INTO A PROPERTY THAT LOSES OUR INTEREST IN IT DRAMATICALLY? SO -- KNOWING THAT UP FRONT MIGHT SAVE US TIME. HAVING A GENERIC BOILERPLATE. HERE'S THE STARTING POINT OF WHAT WE WE'D LIKE TO BUY FROM YOU.
>> WHAT WAS THE ACTUAL LANGUAGE OF THE VOTERS VOTED ON? FOR
>> YES. FOR THE REFERENDUM. >> WHAT ARE WE -- MANDATED AND RESTRICTED BY? FROM THEM. BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO VIOLATE
>> WASN'T I IT ALLOWING THE COUNTY TO BOND UP TO $45 MILLION AND IT HAD THE 72% APPROVAL RATING?
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>> YES, IT IS. YES. OH, HERE IT IS. YEAH. SO TO ACQUIRE AND MANAGE LANDS THAT PROTECT WATER QUALITY AND RIVERS, LAKES CREEKS AND DRINKING ATTAR SOURCES, CON SERVE WILDLIFE HABITATS AND WORKING FORESTS AND FARMS AND REDUCE FLOODING AND PROVIDE OUTDOOR RECREATION. SHALL THE COUNTY ISSUE A GENERAL OBLIGATION BOND. AND IT GOES INTO THE -- FINANCE OF IT.
$45MILLION RETURNING IN 20 YEARS. BEARING INTEREST NOT EXCEEDING LEGAL MAXIMUM PAYABLE FROM AD VALOREM TAXES UP TO 0.2 MILLS AND CITIZEN OVERSIGHT AND FULL PUBLIC DISCLOSURE OF SPENDING. SO THOSE ARE THE TERMS OF THE REFERENDUM.
>> SO REALLY AND THEY ARE IN -- IF I'M UNDERSTANDING IT CORRECTLY, THE CONSERVATION EASEMENTS REALLY ANGLE ONLY TOWARDS THE CONSERVING WORKING FARMS AND FORSTS.
>> PROTECTING WATER QUALITY AND LAKES AND CREEKS AND DRINKING WATER AND SOURCES CON SERVING WILDLIFE HABITAT AND ESTUARIES.
PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING BUT PROVIDING OUTDOOR RECREATION.
>> YEAH. IN ESSENCE. YEAH. BECAUSE TYPICALLY YOUR CONSERVATION EASEMENT DOESN'T ALLOW THE PUBLIC ACCESS. SO -- YEAH. RECREATION WOULD BE AN UNLIKELY --
>> DID YOU SEND US THAT VERBIAGE OR CAN YOU -- MAYBE YOU ALREADY
DID AND I JUST NEED TO GO BACK. >> I DID THAT FIRST MEETING AND
>> IF YOU DON'T FIND IT, LET ME KNOW.
>> OKAY. THANK YOU. >> OKAY. LAST ONE WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT WAS THIS DESCRIPTION OF DESCRIBING THE PARCELS' FEATURES. AND OURS AND -- PROPOSED APPLICATION IS VERY LIMITED. IT JUST SAYS DESCRIBE THE PROPERTY'S SIGNIFICANCE AND WHY IT SHOULD BE PROTECTED. WHEREAS THIS ONE ASKS FOR WHAT'S ALL THE GOOD STUFF? AND TELLS THE NEGATIVES. WHICH -- AND THEN OFFERS THE PERSON THE ABILITY TO, YOU KNOW, ATTACH ADDITIONAL INFORMATION. AND EXHIBITS. AND I THOUGHT THAT WAS A BETTER VERSION TO UTILIZE. I'M SEEING NODES, OKAY. WELL, THEN. OKAY. SO -- ARE WE GOOD WITH INCORPORATING THIS, DESCRIBE THE CURRENT ACTIVITIES ON THE SITE AND THEN AND THEN ADD IN BILLBOARDS OR ACTUALLY -- TO YOUR POINT, THE COMMENT ABOUT DOES IT HAVE A -- REVENUE SOURCE? TRANSITIONING ]
>> PLEASE DESCRIBE. DO YOU THINK WE NEED TO CALL OUT BILLBOARDS AND AGRICULTURE AND CAN YOU DESCRIBE? OR DO YOU CARE?
>> I THINK LEAVE IT AS, YOU KNOW, GENERALIZED REVENUE SOURCE. YOU COULD CALL IT 100 THINGS AT THAT POINT. JUST LEAVE
IT GENERAL. >> I DON'T WANT TO HAVE TOO MANY BOX ADDS, THE APPLICATION GETS TOO CLUTTERED. WE WILL COMBINE ALL OF THAT INTO ONE. OKAY. THEN I THINK I KNOW YOUR DIRECTION AND I WILL MODIFY THE APPLICATION UNLESS YOU'VE GOT OTHER --
>> YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO COMBINE, IF YOU ARE LOOKING TO DECLUTTER, THE PROPERTY OWNER INFORMATION AND THE AUTHORIZED AGENT IF APPLICABLE, YOU MIGHT COMBINE THOSE TWO. WHO SHOULD WE CONTACT, OWNER OR AUTHORIZED AGENT? IF YOU ARE LOOKING TO SAVE SPACE ON THE FORM. OTHERWISE I THINK THEY'RE BOTH PROBABLY RELEVANT.
>> OKAY. >> BUT I THINK THAT WOULD BE THE ONLY PLACE YOU COULD SAVE SOME
>> HAD A COMMENT ON THAT SECTION, OWNER/AUTHORIZED AGENT. YOU SHOULD HAVE AN OWNER SIGNATURE THERE UNDER THAT SIGNIFYING THAT WHOEVER THAT PERSON IS THE OWNER/AUTHORIZED AGENT IS APPROVED BY THE OWNER. THERE'S NO SIGNATURE THAT SAYS THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT AUTHORIZES THAT PERSON TO BE THEIR AUTHORIZED AGENT. SO YOU NEED THE OWNER TO SIGN THAT.
WE'LL TWEAK AND MODIFY. THANK YOU FOR ALL OF THE FEEDBACK.
I APPRECIATE THAT. SECHT OKAY.
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WE TALKED ABOUT -- AGENDAS. UM COMBINATION FORM AND SO NOW WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE KICKOFF OF THE -- SO WHAT I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU IS A QUICKIE VERSION, LOOK THROUGH. I CAME UP WITH THIS AS A DRAFT TEMPLATE FOR THE INITIAL OFFICE REVIEW.OUR ORDINANCE FOR THE PROGRAM SAYS THAT WHEN THE APPLICANT SUBMITS, THE PROPERTY IS NOMINATED, IT SHOULD SHOW UP. IS IT NOT SHOWING UP YET? OKAY. THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF A LAG TIME FOR SOME REASON ON THAT SCREEN. WHEN IT COMES IN STAFF IS CHARGED WITH PROVIDING THE INITIAL OFFICE REVIEW, WHICH I'M CALLING IT A STAFF REPORT AND WE'LL PUT IT TOWARDS YOU.
SO WHAT I WANT TO DO WITH THIS MOCK PROGRAM IS WE'RE GOING TO TAKE -- I'VE GOT SIX PARCELS.
SEVEN ACTUALLY. TWO ARE SIDE BY SIDE.
AND WE'LL USE THOSE AS THE EXERCISE, OKAY. SO A MOCK ACQUISITION EXERCISE.
AND BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO INCORPORATE SOME SITE VISITS, I WENT TO CALEB AND SAID, CAN YOU GIVE ME SOME THE COUNTY ALREADY OWNS.
THESE AREN'T REALISTIC NECESSARILY, SO SOME OF THEM ARE ALREADY PARKS AND WE NEEDED A STARTING PLACE THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD ACCESS. SO WHAT I'M GOING TO DO FOR -- PROBABLY I'LL GET THEM TO YOU BY MIDDLE OF NEXT WEEK, IS A LISTLIST PARCELS, ONE OF THE OFFICE REVIEW REPORTS FOR EACH OF THE PARCELS, THE PROPERTY APPRAISER'S MAIN PAGE, A SNAPSHOT OF THE PROPERTY.
AND THEN WHEN YOU COME BACK FOR THE NOVEMBER MEETING, WE WILL CONSIDER÷÷CONSIDER AS IT WILL BE ME PRESENTING THEM TO YOU AND YOU GOING THROUGH THEM.
BUT IN THIS CASE YOU WILL HAVE HAD SOME EXTRA TIME TO REALLY LOOK AT 'EM, SO SEVERAL WEEKS.
AND THEN YOU WILL GO THROUGH THE EXERCISE OF TAKING "THE MATRIX" AND LOOK AT THOSE PARCELS, RANK THEM, VOTE, LET'S SEE WHERE WE STAND, AND THEN GO FROM THERE.
ULTIMATELY, YOU KNOW, YOU MAY KNOCK SOMETHING OUT.
WE MAY WIND UP WITH ONLY FOUR PARCELS THAT YOU ARE WILLING TO CONSIDER OUT OF THE SIX, AND THEN ULTIMATELY WHEN WE GET TO THE POINT OF YOU'RE DECIDING ON WHAT YOU'RE NOMINATED -- NOT NOMINATED.
NO, PRIORITY POOL LIST IS GOING TO BE, WE WILL DO A SITE VISIT. GET A VAN AND TAKE EVERYBODY BY THE SITES THAT ARE STILL ON THE LIST AT THAT POINT.
SO WE CAN GET A LITTLE REAL-WORLD EXPERIENCE AND SEE WHAT THAT'S LIKE. SO SOUNDS GOOD? OKAY. SO WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO GET FROM STAFF IS -- AND WE ARE GOING TO USE THE PARCEL NUMBER, I THINK, AS OUR FILE NUMBER, FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM.
SO YOU'LL GET PROPERTY INFORMATION, LIKE WHERE IS IT, WHAT'S THE ADDRESS, HOW MANY ACRES ARE INVOLVED, WHAT USES ARE ON IT.
I'VE ADDED IN IS IT LOCATED WITHIN THE MODERATE TO HIGH LOCATION OF CONSERVATION VALUES ON OUR HEAT MAP.
I'LL INCLUDE A COPY OF THAT AT THE MEETING SO THAT WILL MAKE A LITTLE MORE SENSE. THEN THERE WILL BE APPLICANT INFORMATION, OWNER'S INFORMATION, AND THEN I ADDED IN PRIMARY CONSERVATION GOALS AND THE SECONDARY GOALS BECAUSE MAKING THAT CALL, DOES IT MEET THE CONSERVATION GOALS.
IF IT DOESN'T MEET ANY OF THE CONSERVATION GOALS, WE'RE NOT MOVING FORWARD, BUT I WILL STILL BRING THEM TO YOU AND TELL YOU IN THE REPORT, IT DOESN'T MEET ANY OF THE GOALS AND YOU CAN OFFICIALLY VOTE, YOU KNOW, AT THAT POINT.
AND THEN THERE WILL BE PROPERTY DESCRIPTION. HOPEFULLY MOST OF THIS WILL COME OFF OF THE APPLICATION AND WHATEVER SUPPORTING DOCS THEY GIVE US.
THERE THAT POINT ON -- AND I PUT -- THESE ARE SAMPLE MAPS FROM A PROJECT THAT HAPPENED A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, BUT I WANTED TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT KIND OF THIS IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE. SO WE DO LOCATION MAPS FOR APP APPLICATIONS THAT COME IN TO CHANGE THE LAND USE ZONING. YOU GET A LOCATION MAP, A PARCEL MAP THAT SHOWS YOU WHERE IS THE PARCEL IN RELATION TO SURROUNDING PARCELS, AN
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AERIAL PICTURE OF THE SITE, SOILS MAP, AND RGAS COMES UP WITH ALL OF THESE. I DON'T KNOW THE DATA SOURCES BEHIND THEM, BUT WE WILL GET INTO THAT PROBABLY AS TIME GOES BY. THERE'S A FLOOD ZONE MAP WHICH SHOWS YOU IF IT IS WET OR NOT. THIS ONE IS THE TOPOGRAPHICAL MAP SO YOU CAN GET AN IDEA OF ELEVATIONS. THERE'S A HABITAT VALUE MAP, WHICH I WANT TO SAY IT IS A SLIGHTLY MISLEADING TERM IN YOUR LEXICON BECAUSE THE HABITAT MAP IS REALLY PULLED FROM TWO THINGS. IT SHOWS BEAR NUISANCE REPORTS THAT HAVE BEEN FILED ANDAND EAGLE NSTS.THAT'S REALLY ALL IT SHOWS. FOR YOU, WHAT CONSERVATION VALUE IS GOING TO MEAN OR HABITAT VALUE IS GOING TO MEAN IS WAY MORE LAYERED THAN THOSE TWO PIECES OF DATA, BUT THEY'RE USEFUL AND INFORMATIONAL.
SO WE'LL GO WITH THAT FOR RIGHT NOW.
OH, AND HISTORICAL RESOURCES. THAT I KNOW COMES FROM THE STATE DATABASE.
AND THEN STAFF WILL GIVE YOU AN ANALYSIS OF THE SURROUNDING USES AND KIND OF LIKE WHERE IS THIS.
ANALYSIS OF PROPOSED ACQUISITION, JUST IN GENERAL TERMS, AND THEN A RECOMMENDATION WHETHER YOU SHOULD MOVE FORWARD TO THE ELIGIBILITY LIST OR NOT.
AND THEN ONCE I'VE GIVEN YOU ALL OF THAT YOU WILL DISCUSS IT AND KICK IT AROUND, AND IF YOU HAVE NEED FORFOR INFORMATION THAN, YOU KNOW, WE CAN GO BACK TO THE APPLICANT AND SAY, HEY, LOOK, WE'RE MISSING SOMETHING, WE NEED TO KNOW THIS
OR THAT. >> ONE LAYER MAYBE TO RECOMMEND TO YOUR GI S PERSON.
>> YES. >> FREE AND AVAILABLE IS THE FLORIDA NATURAL AREAS INVENTORY MAP. FOR ECOLOGICAL VALUE, THAT WOULD HELP.
>> YES, OKAY. AND WE ARE GOING TO BE SETTING UP A MAP THAT HOPEFULLY EVERYBODY CAN ACCESS.
SO AN INTERACTIVE ONE, THAT'S THE GOAL ANYWAY.
PULL ALL OF THE DATA SOURCES THAT ARE
REQUIRED. >> SO BETWEEN NOW AND OUR NEXT MEETING WE WILL RECEIVE THE E-MAIL FROM YOU WITH THE
SIX -- >> I THINK I BELIEVE --
>> -- PROPERTIES THAT WE'LL READ THROUGH ALL OF THE INFORMATION AND COME READY TO DISCUSS FOR OUR MOCK --
>> RIGHT. >> -- PRACTICE AT THE NEXT MEETING IN NOVEMBER?
>> YEAH. SO I HAVE NEPTUNE PARK, I HAVE MOCCASIN SLEW, I HAVE SLEEPY HOLLOW IN BACK OF WHAT IS PUBLIC WORKS REALLY, IS THE RADIO -- REMOTE CONTROLLED FLYERS CLUB. BASICALLY IT IS A BIG LANDING FIELD THERE, BUT IT IS ON THE RARE END.
THEN THERE'S A SAFE ANIMAL SHELTER AND THEN THERE'S TWO LOTS THAT ARE IN KEYSTONE THAT ARE -- I PUT DOWN DOLLAR GENERAL BECAUSE IT WAS THE BEST LANDMARK BUT 214 AND MAHONGAHELA. AT THE MOMENT IT IS RECREATIONAL VALUE BECAUSE WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE AERIAL YOU SEE THE DOUGHNUT CIRCLES THAT EVERYBODY ON THEIR A TV HAS BEEN USING THIS PARCEL FOR HOMEMADE RECREATION.
SO THOSE ARE THE ONES WE ARE GOING TO LOOK AT.
I WILL SEND YOU THE LIST AS WELL LATER.
YES? >> THE REPORT, THAT WAS A SAMPLE OF WHAT YOU WILL SEND?
>> BECAUSE OUR RANKING SHEET KIND OF GIVES A NICE OUTLINE OF THE DATA THAT'S NEEDED FOR US TO ADDRESS, YOU KNOW, TO ANSWER THE QUESTIONS IN THE RANKING SHEET, RIGHT. SO IT WOULD BE THOSE TYPES OF THINGS, THAT DATA WOULD BE SHOWN IN THAT
TECHNICAL REPORT? >> NO, NOT IN THE INITIAL ONE. THAT DATA COMES IN AT THE SECOND ONE. THERE'S THREE DIFFERENT REPORTS STAFF IS REQUIRED TO CREATE FOR THIS PROGRAM. SO THIS IS THE INITIAL ONE FOR THE FIRST MEETING. THE SECOND MEETING IS THE PROPERTY EVALUATION REPORT, AND IT INCORPORATES MUCH MORE OF THE DETAILS.
HOPEFULLY, I MEAN IN AN IDEAL WORLD WE WOULD HAVE A CONSULTANT THAT COULD THEN GO OUT AND DO SOME SITE VISITS AND COME UP WITH VERY DETAILED ENVIRONMENTAL TRUTHS FOR THE PROPERTY AND INCORPORATE THAT. LACKING THAT, YOU WILL DEFINITELY GET FROM THAT, THAT MAP WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, WHICH HAS ALL OF THOSE DATA SOURCES LISTED. WE ARE GOING TO PUT ON THERE.
SO YOU WOULD HAVE THE INFORMATION THAT THAT REPORT NEEDED.
>> OKAY. SO WE WOULD HAVE -- WE WOULD HAVE THAT DATA BEFORE WE RANKED THE PROPERTIES?
>> NOT THE FIRST TIME, BUT THE SECOND TIME.
BECAUSE YOU ARE GOING TO GO THROUGH THIS LIKE -- IT
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IS A LITTLE KIND OF OVERKILL. THERE ARE SEVERAL LAYERS OF VOTING, KIND OF WEEDING OUT>> SO THE FIRST ONE, THIS ONE IS, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS IT AND HAS IT GOT ANY CONSERVATION VALUE, REALLY REALLY WHAT YOU ARE TRYING TO ANSWER, RIGHT? DO WE NEED TO MOVE THIS? IS IT ELIGIBL FOR THIS PROGRAM OR NOT.
>> OKAY. >> ONCE YOU VOTE TO SAY, YEAH, THIS IS ELIGIBLE, IT'S GOT SOME VALUE, WHETHER OR NOT IT IS GREAT OR NOT, THERE'S SOMETHING THERE, THEN YOU WILL HAVE THE NEXT POOL IS THE -- OH, FORGIVE ME.
NOMINATED POOL? I THINK SO. WHERE YOU GET THE PROPERTY VALUATION REPORT. KIND OF TRYING TO SAVE STAFF TIME÷÷ TOO SO WE'RE NOT DOING THE FULL-ON, YOU KNOW, REPORT, DATA GATHERING FOR SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T MEETMEET CONSERVATION VALUES, YOU KNOW, OR SOMETHING.
>> SO IS THE FIRST MEETING WHERE WE SEE THE INITIAL REPORT, ARE WE USING -- STILL USING THIS RANKING CRITERIA TO SCORE THOSE PROPERTIES OR WOULD WE HAVE -- COULD WE JUST ADDRESS THOSE BYBY SAYING, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE THE ORDINANCE, RIGHT? X, Y, Z AND THEN JUST VOTE ON THAT, BECAUSE I THINK ON YOUR FORM THERE YOU HAD THAT LISTED.
YOU WERE GOING TO IDENTIFY IF IT MET THOSE VALUES.
SO COULD WE JUST VOTE ON THAT AND THEN AT THE NEXTNEXT WHEN WE HAVE THE FULL DATA REPORT WE WOULD USE THIS RANKING SHEET?
>> I KNOW PERSONALLY I WOULD BE TEMPTED TO JUST ALREADY DO LIKE A REVIEW ENVIRONMENTALLY, LIKE TO SEE -- IF IT WAS JUST BEAR OR EAGLE, I'M GOING TO LOOK UP LIKE WHERE IS BLACK CREEK CRAWFISH, YOU KNOW, OR SOMETHING -- OR LIKE WHERE IS CRITICAL HABITAT, SOMETHIG LIKE THAT, OR EVEN THERE'S A TON OF BEAR TELEMETRY OVER THE CALLS. SO I
DON'T KNOW. >> I JUST DON'T THINK WE CAN ANSWER THE QUESTIONS ON THIS RANKING SHEET WITH THE INITIAL REPORT THAT YOU WILL PROVIDE.
>> I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT, YEAH.
>> SO WE DON'T NECESSARILY FILL OUT THE RUBRIC.
WE JUST STUDY THE INFORMATION THAT YOU HAVE GIVEN US, BE PREPARED TO ASK ANY QUESTIONS FOR CLARIFICATION AND DISCUSSION, AND THEN TOGETHER AT THE NEXT MEETING WE WILL --
SO TO THE POINT WHERE I INTERRUPTED YOU -- SORRY, I DIDN'T MEAN TO INTERRUPT YOU.
OKAY. AT THAT POINT, THAT FIRST MEETING YOU ARE GOING TO VOTE WHETHER IT MEETS THE CRITERIA AND DOES IT MOVE FORWARD ON TO THE NOMINATION POOL. SO THIS IS THE -- FIRST IT IS THE ELIGIBILITY PART. SO BASICALLY YOUR FIRST VOTE, IS IT ELIGIBLE FOR THE PROGRAM.
YES, GOOD. SO IT MOVES ON FROM THERE TO THE NOMINATION POOL, AND THEN OUR ORDINANCE SAYS THAT NOMINATED PROJECTS ARE GIVEN THE INITIAL OFFICE REVIEW, AND THAT THE PURPOSE OF THAT WAS TO FILTER OUT THE PROJECTS THAT DON'T MEET THE GOALS. AND THEN IT SAYS IT IS PROPER AND EXPECTED THAT MOST PROJECTS WILL MOVE FORWARD AND GET FULLY EVALUATED USING THE MATRIX.
SO IN OTHER WORDS ONCE YOU HAVE VOTED ON IT, THEN STAFF GOS AND DOES THAT PRE REPORT, RIGHT, THE PROJECT EVALUATION REPORT, PER REPORT. AND THEN BRINGS IT BACK TO YOU AND YOU FILL OUT THE MATRIX AND VOTE AT THAT POINT WHETHER OR NOT IT IS GOING TO MOVE FORWARD TO THE PRIORITY POOL. AND THE PRIORITY POOL, YOU ARE GOING TO -- WE'LL FIT THE STAFF VISIT IN BEFORE YOU MAKE THE FINAL THE ON THE PRIORITY
POOL. >> YOU HAD SAID THERE WERE THREE REPORTS. WHAT IS THE THIRD REPORT Y'ALL HAVE TO DO?
>> THERE'S THE INITIAL, THE ONE WE USE FOR THE RANKING, AND THEN --
>> AND THEN THE FINAL ONE WHEN YOU
ARE DOING -- >> OH, LIKE A NOMINATION REPORT?
>> THE ONE THAT'S GOING TO GO TO THE BOARD. SO FOR THE PROJECTS THAT ARE APPROVED AND YOU DECIDE ARE SO PERFECT FOR THE PROJECT, FOR THE PROGRAM, THAT WE NEED TO ACQUIRE THEM AND YOU WANT TO RECOMMEND TO THE BOARD THAT IT -- SO WILL MOVE TO DO ANOTHER STAFF REPORT
SO HOW LONG IS THE APPLICATION PROCESS GOING TO BE OPEN BEFORE WE HAVE TO MAKE A FINAL DECISION? AND THE REASON I'M ASKING THIS IS INITIALLY WE MAY GET SOME THINGS FILTERED IN AND THEN WE MAY DISCUSS THEM HERE, AND THEN MAYBE IN ANOTHER MONTH MORE THINGS WILL FILTER IN AND WE'VE ALREADY KIND OF PUT THEM IN OUR POOL SAYING, YES, BUT NOW
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MORE THINGS HAVE COME IN AND WE WANT TO SAY NO TO THAT ONE.>> WE'RE GOING TO HAVE IT TWICE A YEAR.
>> OKAY. >> FOR THE FIRST YEAR OR TWO AT LEAST. I MEAN MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING WE CONTINUE WITH.
MAYBE WE GO TO A MONTH -- I DON'T KNOW.
A LOT OF PROGRAMS ONCE THEY'VE BEEN IN OPERATION FOR YEARS AREN'T GETTING A LARGE, SUDDEN VOLUME OF NOMINATIONS, SO THEY CAN LOOK AT THESE ON A MONTH-TO- MONTH BASIS AND, YOU KNOW, THEY'VE ALREADY GOT AN INVENTORY OF PROPERTY. WE, ON THE OTHER HAND, ARE AT THE VERY BEGINNING STAGES AND SO WE'RE GOING TO GET -- GOING TO TRY TO NOT HAVE WHAT YOU ARE DESCRIBING HAPPEN BY DOING THESE IN BATCHES. SO WE WOULD HAVE A SPRING VERSION AND THEN WE WOULD DO IT AGAIN IN THE FALL, YOU KNOW.
SO THERE WILL BE SEVERAL MONTHS I THINK, AND IT IS GOING TO DEPEND ON HOW MANY APPLICATIONS WE GET. I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO EXPECT NECESSARILY. I HOPE WE GET A BUNCH ALL AT ONCE, BUT WE'LL SEE. AND ON THAT NOTE, I NEED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT I THINK WE NEED TO MOVE OUR WINDOW FOR HAVING THAT FIRST INITIAL OPEN NOMINATION PERIOD, WAS GOING TO BE FROM THE 1ST OF OCTOBER TO THE END OF DECEMBER, WHERE WE'RE NOW INTO OCTOBER. WE NEED TO GO THROUGH THIS MOCK EXERCISE, AND I FEEL LIKE WE NEED TO TAKE THAT THROUGH ITS PROCESS, AND IT IS GOING TO TAKE US A COUPLE OF MEETINGS BECAUSE THERE ARE SEVERAL MEETINGS THAT THEY'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH ANYWAY.
AND I KIND OF FEEL THAT IT IS IMPORTANT TO MOVE THAT WINDOW FROM WHAT WE HAD ORIGINALLY PLANNED TO GO AFTER -- EITHER RIGHT BEFORE -- WE COULD RUN IT FROM THE FIRST OF DECEMBER BUT THROUGH THE END OF FEBRUARY, BECAUSE THERE WILL BE SOME INTEREST RIGHT OVER THE HOLIDAYS BUT THEN I GUESS THERE'S ALSO A LOT OF PEOPLE OVER THE HOLIDAYS THAT DON'T HAVE TIME FOR THIS, YOU KNOW, AND WON'T THINK ABOUT IT OR LOOK AT IT UNTIL AFTER THE FIRST OF THE YEAR. SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GIVE THE PUBLIC AS MUCH TIME AS WE CAN AND A GOOD SOLID WINDOW, BUT I THINK WE NEED TO MOVE IT OUT TWO MONTHS.IT AND I WILL MAKE -- I WILL GET WITH STAFF AND WE WILL MAKE A FINAL DECISION, MAYBE DO WE JUST DO JANUARY AND FEBRUARY OR DO WE DO DECEMBER, JANUARY AND FEBRUARY. I DON'T KNOW, BUT WE NEED TO MOVE THAT SO THAT WE CAN GO THROUGH THIS EXERCISE, GO OUT AND DO THE SITE VISIT, COME BACK, YOU KNOW, AND THEN SEE WHAT YOUR FINAL VOTE IS.
AND THEN WORK OUT THE BUGS BECAUSE I'M SURE THERE WILL BE THINGS WE NEED TO CHANGE OR TWEAK OR MODIFY OR WHATEVER, CHANGE IN THE STAFF REPORTS.
OKAY. >> I JUST PERSONALLY THINK AS LONG AS THE STAFF CAN MEET THE GOAL. I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY HARM TO PUT IT OUT IN DECEMBER. I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE, DECEMBER IS A NICE MONTH WHERE THEY'RE NOT TORN A MILLION DIRECTIONS BY WORK AND SCHOOL AND KIDS AND THEY MIGHT WANT TO SIT DOWN AND FOCUS ON SOMETHING
OKAY. >> SO HAVING IT OPEN IN DECEMBER, THAT'S WHEN I WOULD WANT TO DO IT.
>> OKAY. THAT'S GOOD TO HEAR. ALL RIGHT.
THANK YOU. ANY OTHER THOUGHTS ON THAT? OKAY. ALL RIGHT.
>> SO IF WE FINISH WITH THE EXERCISE÷÷ KICKOFF --
>> YES. >> -- ALL WE HAVE LEFT IS PUBLIC COMMENTS IF THERE'S ANY.
DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT. SO WITH THAT, UNLESS ANYBODY HAS ANY --
>> OKAY. >> -- CLOSING COMMENTS OR LAST WORDS, ALIBIS? I THINK WE'LL
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