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BEGIN WITH APPROVAL OF MINUTES. HAS EVERYBODY HAD A CHANCE TO READ THE MINUTES FROM LAST
MONTH? >> YES. >> IF SO, ANY DISCUSSION? IF THERE IS NO DISCUSSION, THEN I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR APPROVAL.
>> MOTION TO APPROVE. >> I HAVE A MOTION. DO I HAVE A SECOND?
>> I SECOND IT. >> A MOTION AND SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR VOTE AYE.
>> AYE. >> SO CARRIES. OKAY. WE WILL NOW GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT . WOULD ANY OF YOU OUT HERE LIKE TO TALK HERE AT PUBLIC COMMENTS? OKAY. NOW WE -- WELL, I WANT TO TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO WELCOME OUR NEWEST MEMBER RACHEL. WE ARE GLAD TO HAVE YOU HERE. IF YOU
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WOULD LIKE TO SAY ANYTHING. >> I AM HAPPY TO BE HERE. THANK YOU.
>> ALL RIGHT. NOW WE WILL GO TO HISTORIC MARKER PROGRESS. WITH JERRY NOT HERE -- HE IS HEADING
UP THESE TWO . ARE YOU HERE FOR THE MIDDLEBURG ? >> YES, WE ARE.
>> HE SAID HE WOULD. I COULD TEXT HIM. >> HE SAID HE WOULD BE HERE.
>> OKAY. DID YOU EVER GET A HOLD OF JERRY? >> HE SAID HE WOULD SEND A TEXT, AND HE HAS NOT. HE HAS BEEN EMAILING ME TODAY.
SAID, WE WILL POSTPONE THE HISTORICAL MARKER PROGRESS REPORTS. IF JERRY HAPPENS TO SHOW UP -- WE WILL GO TO COUNTY HISTORICAL SIGNAGE DISCUSSION. I WILL LET -- I KNOW YOU DID A
HANDOUT. >> WHAT I HAVE HANDED OUT IS A DRAFT APPLICATION I WAS WORKING ON FOR THE MARKER FOR THE SIGNS TO BE SUBMITTED. THIS IS BASED ON THE MARKER APPLICATION THAT THE STATE HAS. THIS IS A FILLABLE PDF. WE CAN POST IT ONLINE IF NEED BE. IF ANYONE HAS ANY COMMENTS OR SUGGESTIONS, IF YOU DON'T HAVE TIME TOLOOK AT IT NOW, YOU CAN CERTAINLY SEND
ME AN EMAIL, AND I CAN MAKE CHANGES TO IT. >> THE RESOURCE, CAN IT BE BOTH
HISTORICAL, ARCHAEOLOGICAL, ET CETERA? >> YES. THE SECOND SECTION UNDER
DETAILS , ARCHAEOLOGICAL, HISTORICAL. >> IT CAN BE MORE THAN ONE.
>> BATTLEFIELD. I WOULD ASK FOR A SEPARATE APPLICATION , PROBABLY, FOR EACH RESOURCE.
LIKE IF YOU ARE DOING MULTIPLE BUILDINGS, MAYBE THERE NEEDS TO BE -- UNLESS IT IS GOING TO BE
ALL ON ONE SIGN. I WOULD LOOK FOR SEPARATE ONES. >> YOU SAID IT IS BASED OFF OF THE STATE MARKER. I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT BEARING . DID WE BURY
ANYTHING? >> NOT TERRIBLY . OBVIOUSLY, I CHANGED IT TO SIGN FROM MARKER .
THERE WERE A COUPLE LITTLE THINGS THAT WERE CHANGED, BUT NOT MUCH. I MEAN, WE ARE MOSTLY LOOKING FOR THE RESOURCE AND A FULL DESCRIPTION OF THE RESOURCE. SOME OF THE TEXT NEEDS TO BE PROVIDED , BUT IT IS BASICALLY THE SAME LOOKING FOR THE COORDINATES OF WHERE IT WILL
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BE LOCATED AND DAYS AND TIMES IT WILL BE VIEWABLE BY THE PUBLIC. THAT IS IMPORTANT. AND THEN, WHO WILL TAKE CARE OF IT.>> TALKS ABOUT RESPONSIBILITY FOR INSTALLATION IN THE CASE OF A COUNTY SIGN THE COUNTY WILL
INSTALL IT. >> THE COUNTY WOULD, YES. >> AND IN CASE OF A STATESIDE.
>> B'S WOULDN'T BE THE STATE SIGNS. >> THAT'S RIGHT.
>> BUT IF IT IS GOING TO BE ON PRIVATE PROPERTY, YOU DON'T GO ON PRIVATE PROPERTY, DO YOU?
>> NOT NORMALLY. NOW, IF WE COULD ASK COURTNEY IF THERE IS SOME SORT OF WAIVER THAT MIGHT COULD BE OBTAINED LIKE WE DID WHEN WE DID WITH THE
SOMETHING, I GUESS IT IS CALLED. >> SO THIS IS JUST A FIRST DRAFT. WE MAY NEED TO HAVE LEGAL
LOOK AT IT. YOU KNOW, HAVE IT FULLY VETTED THROUGH OUR TEAM. >> THE ONLY THING I CAN SEE THAT WE MAY NEED TO ADD IS, MAYBE, FOR THE COST IN THERE, IF THE ORGANIZATION IS LOOKING TO PROVIDE FOR THE COST , OR THEY ARE ASKING THE COUNTY TO COVER THE COST OF THE SIGNED.
>> OKAY. I CAN CERTAINLY ADD THAT. >> THAT IS ALL I HAVE ON THAT .
ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD?
OKAY. WELL , LET'S SEE HERE. STAFF COMMENTS ? >> I JUST HAVE A COUPLE THINGS.
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IF YOU HAVE A MINUTE AFTER THE MEETING, I HAVE EMAIL ADDRESSES THAT THE COUNTY IS ASSIGNING TO YOU SO YOU WILL HAVE A COUNTY ISSUED EMAIL FOR ALL CORRESPONDENCE, BECAUSE IT WOULD BE SUBJECT TO PUBLIC RECORDS SEARCH. SO YOU REALLY DON'T WANT TO BE USING YOUR PERSONAL.SO WE WILL BE CONVERTING YOU OVER TO USING A COUNTY ONE. I HAVE THAT INFORMATION FOR YOU HERE. THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO BRING UP IS -- AND I WOULD RECOMMEND EVERYONE GO TO THEIR WEBSITE TO LOOK FOR THE FLYER -- BUT THE ARCHIVES OFFICE IS DOING A FUN EVENT FRIDAY, OCTOBER 10 IT IS THEIR FIFTH ANNUAL TALES FROM THE CLINK EVENT FROM 5:00 P.M. UNTIL 8:00 THE END. IT WILL BE AT THE HISTORIC TRIANGLE HERE IN GREEN COVE SPRINGS. THERE WILL BE STUDENTS FROM RIDGEVIEW . THEY HAVE UPDATED THIS. I HOPE I AM NOT SAYING SOMETHING WRONG. HIGH SCHOOL DRAMA STUDENTS, AS WELL AS COUNTY PARKS AND REC STAFF AND LIBRARY STAFF WILL BE HELPING TO REENACT A COURT TRIAL AND OTHER ASPECTS OF LIFE BACK 100 YEARS AGO. SO IT WILL BE A FUN EVENT. IT IS RECOMMENDED FOR -- THEY SAY SLIGHTLY SPOOKY FAMILY FUN. IT IS A FAMILY EVENT FOR ADULTS AND CHILDREN 8 PLUS AT THE PARENTS' DISCRETION. THE COST IS ONE DOLLAR FOR YOUTH, AND THREE DOLLARS FOR ADULTS.
CASH ONLY. THE FUNDING GOES TO THE ARCHIVES TO HELP CARRY ON OTHER EVENTS LIKE THIS IN THE FUTURE. I WOULD RECOMMEND THE FLYER CAN BE FOUND ON THE CLAY COUNTY CLERK OF COURTS ARCHIVE
OFFICE. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. >> OKAY. HAVE YOU HEARD ANYTHING FROM JERRY?
>> I DON'T THINK SO. I HAVE GOT MY PHONE SILENCED. I WILL TAKE A LOOK HERE. NOPE.
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>> OKAY. WELL, WITH THAT BEING SAID, I GUESS WE WILL GO TO BOARD COMMENTS. WE WILL START
DOWN HERE WITH KATHY AND WORK OUR WAY AROUND . >> OKAY. I AM STILL A LITTLE
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CONFUSED . SO I AM NOT QUITE SURE I AM FILLING -- FULLY UNDERSTANDING THIS. ONE OF THE MAIN REASONS FOR ME JOINING THE BOARD WAS BECAUSE OF CEMETERY PRESERVATION , BECAUSE IT USED TO BE PART OF THE COMMISSION'S CHARTER. IN FACT, I HAVE BEEN GOING OVER TO THE ARCHIVES AND LOOKING AT THE MEETING NOTES FROM THE COMMISSION, WHICH IS WHAT WE WERE PREVIOUSLY CALLED.PART OF THEIR STANDING THING WAS CEMETERY UPDATES. SO I GUESS I AM A LITTLE BIT CONFUSED ON WHAT OUR GOALS AND OBJECTIVES ARE, BECAUSE ALL WE SEEM TO BE HAVING ON OUR AGENDA IS HISTORIC MARKERS. BUT WHEN I LOOK AT WHAT OUR LISTING IS ON THE WEBSITE, IT SAYS IT IS TO PRESERVE AND PROTECT THE INTEGRITY OF CLAY COUNTY'S SIGNIFICANT HISTORIC AND RESOURCES FOR IDENTIFICATION, EVALUATION, RECOGNITION AND EDUCATION. IT GOES INTO MORE DETAIL ABOUT ARCHAEOLOGICAL AND OTHER THINGS. I WOULD ASSUME THAT HISTORICAL STRUCTURES, BUILDINGS, ARCHAEOLOGISTS , YOU KNOW, ALL THAT STUFF SHOULD BE PART OF OUR OBJECTIVES. AREN'T WE STARTING A NEW FISCAL YEAR NOW? OKAY. SO DO WE HAVE A PLAN TO COME UP WITH GOALS AND OBJECTIVES FOR THIS FISCAL YEAR? WHAT WE ARE GOSH WHAT OUR FOCUS IS GOING TO BE ON?
>> WE HAVE FUNDING THAT IS BASICALLY COMMITTED TO MARKERS. WE CERTAINLY CAN WORK ON A
PROGRAM . WE HAVE BROUGHT THIS UP IN THE PAST. >> BUT IT IS NOT JUST ABOUT FUNDING, RIGHT? IT IS ABOUT RESEARCH AND, YOU KNOW, FUNDING CAN COME FROM OTHER THINGS. I MEAN, I HAVE HAD SOME GREAT NOTES ABOUT THE GOALS AND OBJECTIVES THAT WERE DONE BY THE HISTORICAL COMMISSION BACK IN THE '90S. AND ONE OF THE THINGS IT HAD ON THERE , ONE OF THEIR GOALS AND OBJECTIVES, WAS THE COUNTY SHELL INVENTORY LOCAL HISTORIC CEMETERIES AND ADD MEASURES TO PRESERVE THE INTEGRITY OF THE SITES. COMES UP WITH THREE DIFFERENT PIECES UNDERNEATH THAT. SO THAT WAS MY CONCERN , IF IT WAS PART OF THE OBJECTIVES BACK THEN, WHY ISN'T IT NOW? OBVIOUSLY, THERE WERE MORE OBJECTIVES THAN WAS ON THE LIST. IT ISN'T JUST ABOUT FUNDING. AND THE PEOPLE I TALKED TO ABOUT OUR BOARD WANT TO KNOW WHY WE ARE NOT DOING MORE THAN
JUST SIGNS. >> I SECOND THIS. I AM TRYING TO FIGURE THIS OUT MYSELF. I AM NOT SURE. -- IF WE CAN GET MORE THINGS ON THE AGENDA . SOME OF THOSE OLDER THINGS YOU'RE READING ABOUT, MAYBE PUTTING THOSE ON THE AGENDA AND GETTING THOSE BACK TO THE CONVERSATION.
I HAVEN'T SEEN THE CONVERSATION IN A WHILE. WE DO HAVE INAUDIBLE ] SOME OF THOSE HISTORICAL BUILDINGS. I AM MORE INTERESTED IN GETTING IT ON THE AGENDA SO WE CAN MAYBE DISCUSS IT, BUT THE CONVERSATION ISN'T THERE RIGHT NOW.
>> YEAH, I JUST -- I WOULD LIKE US TO BROADEN OUR HORIZON A LITTLE BIT . WHEN PEOPLE ASKED ME, WELL, WHAT ALL DO YOU DO? AND I SAY, WELL, -- AND THEY SAY, THAT'S IT? BECAUSE THERE IS A LOT OF WORK GOING ON , AND A LOT OF RESEARCH GOING ON. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ARE PLAYING BY THE RULES, OBVIOUSLY. AND I HAVE KNOWN STEVE FOR A FEW YEARS AND OCCASIONALLY WE DO WORK ON THINGS TOGETHER , BUT HE HAS MOSTLY BEEN FOCUSED ON PLEASANT POINT. I HAVEN'T BEEN INVOLVED WITH THAT TOO MUCH. I HAVE BEEN WORKING ON OTHER THINGS. SO I CAN UNDERSTAND IF TWO OF US ARE GOING TO BE AT THE SAME MEETING, THEN WE NEED TO DO THAT. THAT -- BUT , IN FACT, TODAY I WAS OUT RUNNING AROUND THE COUNTY LOOKING FOR CEMETERIES AND TRY TO RECORD STUFF AND TRACKING THINGS DOWN. I TALKED TO SOMEBODY WITH A GIS . I HAVE BEEN TALKING TO CAMP LANDING. THERE IS A LOT OF HISTORY THERE. I JUST DON'T -- I WANT IT TO HAVE SOME PURPOSE
AND NOT JUST BE MY HOBBY. >> UNDERSTOOD. I WILL PUT IT BACK ON THE AGENDA FOR CEMETERY UPDATES. THAT'S FINE. I WILL TELL YOU MY HISTORY WITH THIS BOARD SINCE 2020, THAT IS ALL
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THAT'S WHEN I CAME INTO THE BOARD, THAT IS WHAT THEY WERE DOING, MARKERS. AND THAT IS WHAT WE HAVE DONE SINCE. OBVIOUSLY, YOU WHAT YOU WANT TO DO. THERE HAS NOT BEEN INTEREST IN CEMETERIES AS FAR AS ANYONE HAS SPOKEN ABOUT UP UNTIL YOU JOINING THE BOARD. SO IN NEW DAY. YOU KNOW? YOU CAN RECRUIT OTHER MEMBERS TO HELP YOU. WE JUST NEED TO BE CAREFUL OF SUNSHINE AND MAKE SURE THAT IF YOU HAVE AN EVENT, THAT WE KNOW ABOUT IT IN ADEQUATE TIME SO WECAN ADVERTISE IT. >> SO I CAN HAVE VOLUNTEERS WORK WITH ME THAT AREN'T NECESSARILY
MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE. >> YES. IF YOU HAVE ANOTHER MEMBER OF THE COMMITTEE AT AN
EVENT, WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL AND MAKE SURE WE ADVERTISE THAT. >> OKAY. BECAUSE IT WAS VERY INTERESTING. I HAVEN'T GONE THROUGH ALL OF IT, BUT I DID FIND ONE THAT TALKS ABOUT THE OBJECTIVES THAT THEY HAD BACK THEN. NOT ONLY WAS CEMETERIES ON THERE, BUT I TALKED ABOUT AN INVENTORY OF THE ARCHAEOLOGICAL, ARCHITECTURAL AND HISTORICAL RESOURCES , IN A HAVE VARIOUS OTHER THINGS THAT WERE KIND OF THEIR FOCUS. INCLUDING BUILDINGS . I KNOW MAUREEN IS FOCUSED ON INAUDIBLE ] AND THE SIGN, BUT NOW THERE IS A WHOLE SEPARATE THING TO DO WITH THE ACTUAL BUILDING , WHICH IS HISTORIC AND OWNED BY THE COUNTY. BUT IT'S LIKE, WE ARE DONE WITH THAT ,
AND NOW THEY'RE HAVING TO DO -- >> THEY ARE APPLYING FOR GRANT
FUNDING TO TRY AND REHABILITATE THE BUILDING. >> OKAY.
>> IT IS A MATTER OF WAITING TO SEE IF WE CAN GET FUNDING. >> OKAY. SO THEY ARE SUBMITTING
A GRANT, AND THE COUNTY IS HELPING THEM WITH THAT. >> CORRECT.
>> OKAY. THAT IS JUST ONE EXAMPLE. >> SO THE PROCESS AS FAR AS HISTORICAL BUILDINGS WE ARE MANAGING, ARE THOSE ALWAYS GOING TO COME DOWN TO GRANTS? OR IS THAT SOMETHING THAT THE MAINTENANCE OF THOSE IS WITHIN THE BUDGET THAT WE PUT OUT BY
FISCAL? >> THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT ARE PART OF THE BUDGET. THE ROOF AT THE COURTHOUSE IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IS ROUTINELY ON THE BUDGET. BUT YES, OUR FACILITIES DEPARTMENT DOES MONITOR THAT, AND WHEN THERE IS A NEED , THEY WILL PUT THE PROJECT ON THE LIST
FOR WORK. >> IF IT IS UNDER OUR SCOPE, DO WE DISCUSS IT IN OUR MEETING AND
THEN GET THEM TO REACT TO THAT? WHERE IS THAT PROCESS HAPPENING? >> IF YOU FEEL THERE IS A NEED FOR SOMETHING TO BE REPAIRED, YOU CAN CERTAINLY -- I CAN GIVE YOU THE CONTACT WITH OUR FACILITIES DEPARTMENT, OR YOU GIVE ME THE INFORMATION, AND I CAN TAKE IT FORWARD TO THEM.
EITHER WAY. JUST SO THEY BECOME AWARE OF IT. YOU CAN CERTAINLY BRING IT UP HERE, AND THAT MAKES
IT VERY PUBLICLY AWARE. >> ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS ON THIS THAT WAS ON THE OBJECTIVE LIST TALKS ABOUT DEVELOPING AN INVENTORY OF THE COUNTY UP AS ARCHAEOLOGICAL, ARCHITECTURAL AND HISTORIC RESOURCES ASSOCIATED WITH ITS PAST. I MEAN, IS THAT RECORDED SOMEWHERE? IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY DID IT . IT IS TALK ABOUT BUILDINGS AND STRUCTURES BUILT
PRIOR TO 1940 . >> MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THERE WAS A SURVEY DONE YEARS AGO. I CAN'T QUOTE THE NUMBER OF YEARS . BUT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT HAS TO BE PAID FOR , TYPICALLY, BY
FUNDING THROUGH THE STATE THAT IS APPLIED FOR TO GET THAT. >> THIS IS JUST TO CREATE AN INVENTORY, IT SAYS . IT JUST SAYS, ALL BUILDINGS AND STRUCTURES BUILT PRIOR TO 1940
IN UNINCORPORATED CLAY COUNTY SHOULD BE IN INVENTORY. >> WE COULD D A GIS HEAT MAP TO FIND OUT WHERE WE HAVE POCKETS OF AREAS THAT ARE BASED ON THE PROPERTY APPRAISER'S AGE OF THE BUILDING SPIRIT WE COULD HAVE GIS TO A MAP THAT GIVES US AREAS THAT WE MIGHT POTENTIALLY DO A
SURVEY. >> OKAY. JUST LIKE I AM PUTTING TOGETHER A HISTORY , OR A LIST OF THE CEMETERIES. I WOULD THINK IT SOUNDED LIKE SOMETHING THEY HAD STARTED, OR MAYBE HAD COMPLETED . ANYWAY, THERE WAS A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT STUFF ON THERE MORE THAN JUST THAT ONE.
DO YOU WANT ME TO TALK ABOUT MY UPDATES ON CEMETERIES? >> YES.
>> OKAY. I HAVE BEEN ATTENDING A COUPLE OF LUNCH AND LEARNS. I MENTIONED LAST MONTH THAT THE FLORIDA TRUST DOES THEM. THEY ARE FREE, LIKE ZOOM MEETINGS, WHICH IS VERY INTERESTING. THEY DO HAVE ONE ESPECIALLY I AM EXCITED ABOUT COMING UP ON OCTOBER 30, BECAUSE IT IS ABOUT PRESERVING HISTORIC CEMETERIES. THEY ARE FREE ZOOM MEETINGS. I AM GOING TO BE ATTENDING THAT.
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BUT IF ANYONE IS INTERESTED, IT IS ON THEIR WEBSITE, FLORIDA TRUST.ORG UNDER LUNCH AND LEARNS. THEY DO RECORD THEM. SO PREVIOUS ONCE THEY HAVE HAD ABOUT OTHER PRESERVATION EFFORTS ARE ALSO LISTED THERE. IT IS A GREAT RESOURCE. I DID TALK TO THE FOLKS AT. I TALKED TO THEM KIND OF FREQUENTLY. THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT SOME OF THE THINGS THEY ARE DOING, AND I HAD GONE THROUGH TRAINING, CEMETERY RESOURCE PROTECTION TRAINING , ABOUT A YEAR AGO. AND THEY HAVE A CONFERENCE COMING UP NEXT YEAR , WHICH IS A TWO DAY CONFERENCE THAT I AM VERY EXCITED ABOUT. I THINK THERE IS GOING TO BE A LOT OF GREAT INFORMATION, GUEST SPEAKERS AND STUFF, THAT COME OUT OF THAT. AS FAR AS UPDATES ON THE CEMETERIES, WE ARE DOWN TO WHAT I CALL THE NITTY-GRITTY.YOU KNOW, IT ISN'T THAT I TOOK THE EASY WAY OUT, BUT WHEN I STARTED DOING, ADDING THE ONES THAT WEREN'T ALREADY REGISTERED WITH THE STATE, I DID COME TO TAKE THE EASY WAY OUT. THAT IS HOW I GOT 16 OF THEM ADDED. BUT THERE ARE SOME THAT I HAVE REMOVED FROM MY INVESTIGATION LIST. ONE OF THEM IS THE MIDDLEBURG CATHOLIC CHURCH CEMETERY, WHICH WE KNOW USED TO BE THERE OVER 100 YEARS AGO. THERE IS A HISTORICAL SIGN THAT MENTIONS IT, BUT IT IS NO MORE.
THERE IS NO RECORD. YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? IT IS PHYSICALLY NOT THERE. THERE IS ONE SUPPOSEDLY ON LAKE GENEVA, WOLF BRANCH. NOBODY SEEMS TO KNOW WHERE THOSE ARE. NO RECORDS TO SHOW THERE EVER WAS ONE. AND EVEN BACK IN THE '70S WHEN THEY DID THEIR WORK, THEY SHOWED IT AS ABANDONS. I DON'T THINK THERE WERE ANY MARKERS OR ANYTHING THERE. I DID TALK TO A GENTLEMAN WITH THE GIS. I DO HAVE THE GPS COORDINATES FOR THE ONES I WAS HAVING TROUBLE WITH.
I DID TELL HIM THE ONE THEY HAVE ON THEIR THAT THEY HAVE LEASED AND THAT LISTED AS GREEN COVE CAPITAL TEMPERATURE, HE MIGHT AS WELL TAKE IT OFF THE GIS. IT IS NOT THERE ACCORDING TO THE CATHOLIC CHURCH AND NEVER WAS THERE. IT IS IN THE OLD GREEN COVE CATHOLIC CHURCH IN THE CITY OF GREEN COVE SPRINGS. THERE IS NO THAT'S NOBODY SEEMS TO KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT IT. THE LADY WITH THE CATHOLIC CHURCH SAYS THEY JUST CELEBRATED THEIR 150TH ANNIVERSARY . SHE SAYS THEY HAVE NO RECORD THERE EVER WAS A CEMETERY THERE. ONE OF THE THINGS THE GENTLEMAN TOLD ME ABOUT THE STUFF ON THE GIS, HE SAID A LOT OF THAT STUFF CAME FROM DOUGLAS . -- AND MR. BASS .
WHAT IS HIS FIRST NAME? >> CLARK. >> THANK YOU. I COULDN'T REMEMBER. WHEN I ASKED HIM FOR, YOU KNOW, IF THERE WAS ANY SUPPORTING DOCUMENTATION, IT WAS LIKE, NO. JUST YOU KNOW, THEY GOT THE GPS COORDINATES, AND THERE IS NOTHING ELSE TO REALLY SUPPORT THEM. SO WE ARE STILL WORKING THROUGH THEM. I WENT OUT TODAY TO TRY AND FIND ONE OF -- OFF SPRING BANK. KIND OF KNOW WHERE IT IS. IT IS ON PRIVATE PROPERTY. SO WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO GET A HOLD OF THE OWNER THERE. SAME THING WITH MARYLAND AVENUE GRAVE. IT IS A WOODED LOT. IT IS TOO SICK TO LOOK THROUGH . I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S REALLY A GREAT OR NOT BUT I STILL THAT STILL HAVE A TAKE QUITE A FEW OFF THAT EITHER DON'T EXIST ANYMORE OR THERE IS NOT ENOUGH EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT THAT THEY WERE EVER THERE. AND PHYSICALLY THERE IS NO SIGN OF IT. WE ALSO ARE HOPING TO DO A SITE VISIT ON THE CEMETERIES ON CAMP LANDING. THERE ARE TWO CEMETERIES, SUPPOSEDLY, THE GIS SAYS ARE ON CAMP LANDING THAT THEY DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT.
I HAVE GIVEN THEM THE GPS COORDINATES, AND THEY ARE GOING TO INVESTIGATE A LITTLE BIT. AND THEN, THEY ARE GOING TO ALLOW US TO DO A SITE VISIT WHILE WE ARE THERE AND GO THROUGH AND CHECK AND HOPEFULLY FIND THE TWO THAT ARE THE MYSTERIOUS MISSING ONES. THAT IS MY STUFF.
>> CONCERNING THE CATHOLIC CEMETERY OF MIDDLEBURG, WHO DID YOU CHECK WITH ?
>> IT WASN'T THAT I COULDN'T FIND ANY INFORMATION . I AM SAYING THE CEMETERY DOESN'T
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EXIST ANY LONGER. I GOT SUPPORTING DOCUMENTATION THAT SAYS IT WAS THERE. I GOT THE HISTORY BEHIND IT, BUT I CAN'T -- IT IS PHYSICALLY NOT THERE ANYMORE.>> THE MARKERS ARE GONE. >> YEAH. AND IT IS PRIVATE PROPERTY . THERE IS A HOUSE ON IT. YOU KNOW, THERE IS NOT ANYTHING MORE FOR ME TO DO AS FAR AS -- I CAN'T REALLY RECORD
IT WITH THE STATE BECAUSE IT DOESN'T EXIST ANY LONGER. >> SO WE ARE NOT INTERESTED IN
FINDING OUT WHO IS BURIED THERE ANYMORE? >> I GOT SOME BACKGROUND INFORMATION, BUT I CAN'T SUBMIT IT TO BE RECORDED AS A HISTORIC CEMETERY WITH THE STATE GIVEN THE SITUATION THAT IT IS NOW. BUT I DO HAVE BACKGROUND INFORMATION AND HISTORY ABOUT THE SITE AND THE CHURCH. YOU KNOW, ALL THAT GOOD STUFF. I DO KNOW IT WAS THERE AT ONE TIME.
>> OH, YES, EVERYBODY DOES. WOULD KIND OF LIKE TO KNOW WHO WERE THE RESIDENTS .
>> YEAH. THAT WOULD BE KIND OF DIFFICULT. I WANT TO CROSS STUFF EVERY DAY BECAUSE I'M GOING THROUGH THAT SOUNDS KIND OF MORBID. I AM LOOKING AT THE DEATH CERTIFICATES FOR CLAY COUNTY, AND THAT HELPS ME IDENTIFY SOME STUFF. I HAVE COME ACROSS A COUPLE OF THEM THAT SAYS THEY ARE BURIED AT CAMPER FARM CEMETERY . WE KNOW THERE WAS A FARM. KIND OF KNOW WHERE IT WAS. BUT YOU KNOW, WAS THERE A CEMETERY AND PEOPLE BURIED? I TRULY BELIEVE THERE IS A LOT OF PEOPLE BURIED IN THE LANDING CLAY COUNTY THAT WE KNOW NOTHING ABOUT AND WILL NEVER FIND.
>> CHRISTINE IS TAKING THE MINUTES REMOTELY. SHE WAS HAVING DIFFICULTY HEARING YOU, JERRY. I WOULD ASK THAT YOU ALL SPEAK INTO YOUR MICROPHONES. I GUESS YOU WERE LEANING BACK A LITTLE O
FAR. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> ONE OTHER THING, WE HAVE ANOTHER NEW MEMBER , BARBARA. I AM SORRY. HOW DO YOU SAY YOUR LAST NAME?
>> BUJAK. >> OKAY. WE WELCOME YOU. WE ARE GLAD YOU ARE JOINING US.
>> THANK YOU. SORRY WE WERE LATE. GETTING TOTALLY GRIDLOCKED, I THINK.
>> ALL RIGHT. NOW THAT JERRY HAS -- WE WILL GO BACK TO THE HISTORICAL MARKER PROGRESS REPORT . SINCE WE HAVE PEOPLE FROM THE MIDDLEBURG MUSEUM AND CIVIC GROUP, WE WOULD ASK THAT
YOU START WITH THAT, JERRY. >>VERY GOOD. I SUPPOSE I SHOULD LET OUR DELEGATION FROM
MIDDLEBURG ADDRESS IT AS FAR AS WE UNDERSTAND. >> YOU HAVE TO LEAN FORWARD.
>> I AM SORRY. AS FAR AS WE UNDERSTAND, BETH'S OFFICE IS NOW IN POSITION TO PUSH IT FORWARD. WE CAME UP WITH SOME LAST TWEAKS TO MAKE THE TEXT READ AS WELL AS IT COULD WITHIN THE SHORT COMPASS OF TIME IT HAS GOT, SPACE IT HAS. SO IS THERE ANYTHING LACKING THAT THE COUNTY
IS AWARE OF THAT NEEDS -- THAT IS NEEDED FOR THIS? >> NOT THAT I AM AWARE OF. AT THIS., I HAVE NOT HAD TIME TO GO THROUGH A. BUT I AM NOT AWARE IT IS MISSING ANYTHING. I WILL
REACH OUT TO YOU ALL IF I DO. >> OKAY. I THINK THE RESEARCH EFFORTS CERTAINLY WERE GOOD, BECAUSE THEY CLARIFIED SOME THINGS ABOUT WHEN PPENED AND TH REST. SO I THINK IT DID MAKE FOR A LITTLE SMOOTHER RUNNING STORY. HOPEFULLY, WE CAN GET IT IN UNDER THE WIRE THIS YEAR WITH
THOSE PEOPLE AT THE STATE LEVEL. >> SO THE LAST I WAS TOLD, ST.
MARY'S, THEY THOUGHT THAT WHEN MIGHT GET REVIEWED IN THE SPRING.
>> OH. >> THIS HASN'T BEEN SUBMITTED -- MIDDLEBURG SCHOOL WILL GO IN BEFORE THIS ONE. WE ARE LOOKING AT A LITTLE BIT OF DELAY. THEY ARE CATCHING UP, I AM SURE, BUT
THERE IS STILL TIME. >> WELL, ALL RIGHT. SO THAT IS IN THE PIPELINE. WE TRUST -- OH, AND OF COURSE, THE PEOPLE INVOLVED IN THE MIDDLEBURG SIGNAGE WILL , HOPEFULLY, GET
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SOME SORT OF A HEADS UP WHEN THE TIME COMES WHEN IT IS GOING TO BE REVIEWED BY THE STATE BOARD.>> YES. >> THEY CAN PUT IN THEIR COMMENTS OR BE READY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS IF THAT GROUP SHOULD NEED IT. NUMBER 11 . WELL, A NUMBER OF THINGS. WE ARE WAITING FOR VOLUNTEER ARCHAEOLOGISTS IN THE AREA TO MAKE FURTHER STUDIES ON WHERE HE COULD SEE TRACES OF THE EXACT LOCATION OF THE FOUR. -- FOR IT. HE HAS BEEN SLOWED DOWN BY VARIOUS FAMILY MATTERS AND EVERYTHING FROM REVISITING IT . HE INTENDS TO SOON. HE SAYS HE IS PRETTY SURE, EVEN BY NOW, THAT IT IS NEAR THIS INTERSECTION OF JASMINE AND SHADY LANE AND KEYSTONE HEIGHTS . BUT IN ANY CASE, THE SIGNAGE WOULD HAVE TO NOT BE RIGHT THERE. I HEARD BACK, FINALLY, FROM DEIDRE MURPHY THAT SHE HAD, INDEED, MET WITH THE COLLEAGUES SHE IS WORKING WITH THERE. THE CONSENSUS IS THAT THEY WILL LOCATE IT AT THE NEARBY PARK WHERE THE PUBLIC CAN SEE IT AND PARK AT THE PARK, AND SO FORTH. BUT SHE SAID -- DID SHE COORDINATES SHE SENT INTO YOUR
OFFICE REACH YOU, BETH? >> I RECEIVED AN EMAIL AND WHEN SEND THEM TO THE GIS DEPARTMENT
TO HAVE THEM PLOTTED ON A MAP. >> GOOD, GOOD. NOW, THE TEXT I HAD WRITTEN SOME TIME AGO , IT WOULD BE GOOD AS IT IS, BUT I WAS HOLDING OUT FOR A LITTLE MORE INFORMATION ABOUT PRECISELY WHERE THE FORT, OR HOW FOR IT WAS FROM THE POSTED SIGN. BUT I GUESS THAT IS NOT NECESSARY. THE QUESTION WITH REGARD TO THE DOCUMENTATION IS A MASSIVE DOCUMENTATIO THAT I, AND OTHERS, COMPILED AND RESEARCHING THAT. SOME OF IT IS KIND OF ELECTRONICALLY CITED , BUT OTHERS ARE JUST ALL THESE PAPERS THAT WE COLLECTED AT THE NATIONAL ARCHIVES. IS IT LEGITIMATE TO TURN OVER TO THE COUNTY , YOU KNOW, PHYSICAL DOCUMENTATION? OR DO WE NEED TO
SOMEHOW REDUCE IT ? >> WE CAN SCAN THEM. FOR MATERIALS THAT AREN'T READILY
AVAILABLE, WE NEED TO PROVIDE THEM WITH THE APPLICATION. >> YEAH, I MEAN, DEPENDING ON HOW YOU -- THERE WOULD BE ENOUGH TO SUPPORT THE APPLICATION WITH MAYBE 20 PAGES OR SOMETHING , BUT IF WE PUT IT ALL IN, THERE WOULD BE ABOUT 70 . I GUESS I WILL HAVE TO SUBMIT IT TO YOUR OFFICE AND LET YOU DECIDE WHETHER THAT IS OVER DOING IT. BUT OTHERWISE, AS FAR AS I KNOW,
THEN WE WILL BE READY TO GO WITH THAT. >> DO WE HAVE A BIBLIOGRAPHY OF
ALL THE RESOURCE MATERIAL? >> WELL , BIBLIOGRAPHY WOULD CONSIST OF MATERIAL FROM THE NATIONAL ARCHIVES MAINLY . I GUESS IT WAS MENTIONED -- ROBERT ROBERTS IS A GREAT COMPENDIUM OF ALL FRONTIER FORTS IN THE UNITED STATES, OF WHICH FLORIDA IS ONE, BUT THAT WAS A PRETTY TERSE
CITATION. >> OKAY. THAT IS ONE OF THE ITEMS WE HAVE TO SUBMIT, A BIBLIOGRAPHY OF ALL THE RESOURCES. IF YOU CAN PUT THAT TOGETHER, THAT WILL HELP.
>> THE REST IS LOCATION INFORMATION FROM THE NATIONAL ARCHIVES. OR OFFICE OF THE NATIONAL ARCHIVES. IT IS LOCATED IN VIRGINIA . YET, SO -- THEY ARE NOT READY TO GO ANYWAY EITHER UNTIL THE SPRING, I GATHER. OH, MIC TOO FAR AWAY. SORRY.
>> DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE, JERRY? >> CONSIDERING THIS TRAFFIC KEPT ME FROM GETTING HERE IN TIME, I THINK -- JUST TO MENTION, I WILL NOT BE HERE NEXT MONTH , BECAUSE
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I WILL BE OUT OF TOWN. >> OKAY. >> I DO HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE MIDDLEBURG ONE. SINCE YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THE STATE MARKER, ARE YOU ALL CONSIDERING A COUNTY MARKER INTERIM? BECAUSE IT WILL PROBABLY -- IT WILL PROBABLY BE A YEAR BEFORE THE
STATE -- YOU WILL SEE A STATE MARKER THERE. >> DO YOU HAVE ANY OPINIONS? COULD WE BE PATIENTHAVING WAITED 150 OR SO YEARS. NOT THAT LONG.
>> IT ACTUALLY COULD BE MAYBE A COUPLE YEARS, BECAUSE WE ARE 5 TO 6 MONTHS OUT FOR THE
PRODUCTION. >> OKAY. >> ONCE IT IS APPROVED, IT IS
STILL ANOTHER FIVE OR SIX MONTHS. >> SO WE CAN TALK TO, I GUESS, BILLY ABOUT WHAT THE CURRENT LIMITS ARE WITH REGARDING AMOUNT OF TEXT .
>> SAME AS THE STATE MARKER. >> OH, EXCELLENT. YOU WANT TO GO FOR THAT?
>> TEMPORARY IN THE INTERIM. >> MAYBE IF THAT IS THE CASE , ONCE THE STATE WHEN EVENTUALLY IS PROCURED, WE COULD PUT THE OLD COUNTY SIGN AT ANOTHER PORTION OF THE PROPERTY. BECAUSE THE MUSEUM AND CIVIC CENTER ARE ACTUALLY APPROACHED BY DIFFERENT STREETS . SO THAT MIGHT BE REALLY HANDY. JUST LET US KNOW WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO INITIATE THE COUNTY REQUEST, I GUESS.
>> WOULD HE NEED TO FILL OUT THE APPLICATION FOR THE COUNTY SIGN? >> YES. IF THAT IS THE ROUTE WE ARE GOING TO GO, AND IF THE PROCESS IS APPROVED. WE NEED TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY ABOVE US IS
HAPPY WITH THE PROCESS. >> USING THIS FORMAT ON THE TABLE NOW?
>> THAT IS UNDER CONSIDERATION. >> I WOULD SUGGEST WE USE THIS AS A TRIAL RUN . YOU CAN FILL IT OUT, AND WE WILL SEND IT UP THROUGH THE POWERS TO BE AND SEE
HOW IT ALL SHAKES OUT. >> YES. >> AND THAT WILL GIVE YOU -- BECAUSE I THINK YOU ARE FOR PLEASANT POINT. YOU KNOW, IF THERE ANY CHANGES FROM THIS ONE,
WE CAN MAKE IT FOR THE OTHER ONE. >> SO WOULD PLEASANT POINT BE THE LEVEL OF THIS SIGN? OR WOULD IT BE MORE OF A LOCATIONAL SIGN?
>> WOULD BE HISTORICAL MARKER. >> OKAY. IT WOULD BE FULLY DETAILED.
>> WE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON A DRAFT WE HAVE BEEN DOING OTHER THINGS AND GOT SIDETRACKED.
>> I'M SORRY BUT I THOUGHT WE ALSO AT SOME POINT TALKED ABOUT A DIRECTIONAL SIGN.
>> WHAT WE ARE GOING TO BE DOING IS PUTTING IN A WARNING SIGN TO LET DRIVERS KNOW THERE IS A HIDDEN CEMETERY ENTRANCE. BECAUSE IT IS ON A BLIND CURVE -- AND IF SOMEBODY IS COMING OUT OF THE ENTRANCE OF THE CEMETERY, YOU KNOW, DRIVERS ARE RIGHT UP ON THEM.
>> IT'S VERY DANGEROUS. I HAVE ALMOST GOT HIT A COUPLE TIMES. >> THOUGH SHOULD BE GOING IN
NEXT WEEK. >> GREAT. >> ALL RIGHT. WELL , BARBARA, WELCOME TO THE COMMITTEE. I GAVE RACHEL A CHANCE TO TALK. NOW I WILL GIVE YOU A CHANCE TO TALK.
>> OKAY. I DIDN'T REALLY PREPARE FOR THIS, BUT I MOVED HERE IN 1989 FROM MICHIGAN . I HAPPILY LIVED IN THE SAME HOUSE IN ORANGE PARK , TOWN OF ORANGE PARK, FOR 35 YEARS . I AM VERY HAPPY WITH THE AREA. IT IS ALWAYS FUN. I AM ACTUALLY NEXT TO PARK . BEFORE IT BECAME THE PARK, WE WOULD GO HIKING THROUGH THE BACK WOODS AND SEE ALL THAT IN THE BACK. AND NOW, ENJOY IT IT IS HELPED BUILD THE FIRST PLAYGROUND. NOW THEY GOT THE SECOND ONE, WHICH IS BETTER. IT IS A GREAT PLACE TO BE. WE USED TO GO DOWN TO SAINT AUGUSTINE ALL THE TIME , DOWN TO GREEN COVE ALL THE TIME. IT'S GREAT TO BE INVOLVED. I AM GETTING MORE INVOLVED . I SAW THERE WAS AN OPENING, AND I HAVE BEEN TO SEVERAL OF THE EVENTS YOU HAVE HELD. ANYWAY, I WILL BE GLAD TO
BE PART . HOPEFULLY, I CAN CONTRIBUTE A LOT. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. OKAY. STEVE ?
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>> I GUESS QUICKLY, JUST THANK KATHY FOR CONTINUING TO PUSH FORWARD WITH CEMETERIES. I'M SURE THE BOARD HERE KNOWS ITS OWN HISTORY. BUT WHEN THIS WAS THE HISTORICAL COMMISSION, IT WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR RESTORATION AT MAGNOLIA SPRING CEMETERY. IT WAS THIS BOARD THAT PUT THE FENCE AROUND MAGNOLIA SPRINGS BUT I DON'T KNOW IF YOU RAN INTO THAT DOCUMENTATION.
>> I DO KNOW. >> ANYWAY, JUST APPRECIATE THAT. A QUICK PLUG. WE HAVE RICK, LOCAL FLORIDA RIDER. I JUST GOT A NEW BRIDGE IN TODAY. A LOCAL FLORIDA AUTHOR WHO IS SPEAKING TOMORROW NIGHT IN GREEN COVE SPRINGS. HE BROUGHT THAT ROAD A BOOK CALLED THE FOUNTAIN OF YOUTH AND OTHER HISTORIC BOOKS ABOUT FLORIDA. IF ANYBODY WANTS MORE INFORMATION, I CAN GIVE IT
RIGHT AFTER THIS MEETING. THAT'S IT. >>
>> ANYTHING? ALL RIGHT. >> HAVE WE HAD ANY INFORMATION ON THE FISCAL -- ON THE BUDGET?
I KNOW -- WHETHER OR NOT WE GOT APPROVED? >> I CAN BRING THAT NEXT TIME .
I CAN'T QUOTE THE NUMBER RIGHT OFFHAND, BUT IT WAS TIED TO THE MARKERS WE WERE WORKING ON.
>> I KNOW WE WERE SAYING THAT WE WERE ASKING FOR IT TO GET PUSHED INTO THE NEXT YEAR, BUT WHETHER OR NOT IT DID -- WE WEREN'T FINAL UNTIL THEY GOT DONE WITH THIS.
>> CORRECT. THEY JUST APPROVED IT LAST TUESDAY. >> OKAY.
>> I WILL BRING THAT NEXT TIME. >> ALL RIGHT. BACK TO YOU FOR
CLOSING COMMENTS, IF YOU HAVE ANY. >> I DO HAVE A QUESTION. KATHY, YOU MENTIONED GOALS AND OBJECTIVES IN THE 'NINE THINGS YOU SAW. IS THAT THE GOALS AND
OBJECTIVES STILL FOR THIS YEAR? >> NO. THAT IS WHY I WAS ASKING. THIS USED TO BE THE HISTORICAL COMMISSION . AND NOW, WE ARE THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD ESSENTIALLY KIND OF THE SAME ENTITY, BUT THAT IS WHY I WAS ASKING WHAT OUR GOALS AND OBJECTIVES ARE FOR THIS BOARD .
IT SEEMS LIKE WE WERE JUST FOCUSING ON THE HISTORICAL MARKERS . I WANTED US TO BROADEN OUR HORIZONS A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE HISTORICAL ENTITIES, BUILDINGS, YOU KNOW, THINGS OF
THAT SORT. >> WITH TWO NEW MEMBERS, I NEED TO SEND OUT TO YOU THE MAPS OF THE HISTORIC PROPERTIES WE HAVE IN THE COUNTY, AS WELL AS I CAN SEND OUT THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, WHICH HAS THE FULL DESCRIPTION OF THE RULES IN YOUR ACTIVITIES WITH THIS BOARD. I CAN GO AHEAD AND SEND THAT OUT TO ALL OF YOU SINCE IT IS AN EMAIL, BASICALLY. ALSO, I BELIEVE I SENT YOU THE MASTER SITE FILE BUT I THOUGHT I HAD SENT IT OUT TO EVERYONE, BUT I CAN GO AHEAD AND SEND THAT TO YOU ALL . IT WON'T HAVE ARCHAEOLOGICAL IN IT, BUT IT WILL HAVE ALL THE OTHER SITES. I THOUGHT I HAD SENT THAT TO YOU, DIDN'T I, KATHY?
>> I DON'T REMEMBER SEEING THAT. I COULD BE WRONG. TO UNDERSTAND. LOTS OF EMAILS. I
WILL MAKE SURE I SENT IT OUT TO ALL OF YOU. >> WITH THE NEW COUNTY EMAILS, IT MIGHT BE GOOD TO SEND IT TO EVERYBODY. THEY WILL BE LOGGED INTO THEIR NEW EMAILS .
>> YES. >> EASY TO FIND. JUST SO YOU KNOW, JERRY AND ROBERT, THE SUNSHINE LAW , THE COUNTY WILL BE ISSUING Y'ALL COUNTY EMAILS FOR BOARD BUSINESS.
>> GOOD. WE WILL THEN PRESUME THEY WILL BE SEEN BY THE PUBLIC IF THEY WANT TO SEE IT?
>> YES. >> THEREFORE, WE CAN SAY THINGS ON THOSE EMAILS.
THEY ARE FOR THE PURPOSE OF YOU COMMUNICATING OF SOMEONE FROM THE PUBLIC WANTED TO COMMUNICATE WITH YOU, OR WITH STAFF. THE DIFFERENCE BEING, IF WE CONTINUED TO USE YOUR PERSONAL EMAILS AND SOMEONE WERE TO PUT IN A PUBLIC RECORDS REQUEST , THEY COULD THEN LOOK AT ALL OF YOUR EMAILS. THIS WAY IT IS A COUNTY PUBLIC -- YOU ARE SITTING IN A COUNTY APPOINTED POSITION.
AS THAT, YOU GET AN OFFICIAL EMAIL. >> OKAY.
>> WHEN IS IT TO BE USED? >> I WILL EMAIL YOU MEETING INVITE. IF YOU WANT TO EMAIL ME
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WITH ANY QUESTIONS, YOU WOULD USE THAT. IF THE PUBLIC -- I BELIEVE ALL YOUR NAMES ARE UP ON THE WEBSITE AS MEMBERS OF THE HISTORIC BOARD. IT WOULD BE POSTED THERE. IF ANYBODY WANTED TO REACH OUT TO YOU TO HELP YOU DO CEMETERY WORK OR ANY OTHER TOPIC THAT Y'ALL ARE TALKINGABOUT, THEY WOULD HAVE ACCESS TO YOUR EMAILS. >> I HAVE BEEN TALKING WITH JASON. HE HAS GOT A VOLUNTEER DATABASE . I WAS TALKING WITH HIM. HE SAID HE IS GOING TO SET UP, LIKE, A WEBPAGE FOR VOLUNTEERS FOR OUR CEMETERY ACTIVITIES. SO THAT WOULD HAVE
TO BE CONNECTED WITH MY BOARD EMAIL, CORRECT? >> IT COULD BE, YES.
>> OKAY. >> BUT STILL, MEMBERS CANNOT TALK BACK AND FORTH THROUGH
EMAIL. THAT IS SUNSHINE VIOLATION. >> JUST TO MENTION ONE MORE TIME UNTIL THE CURRENT ADMINISTRATION ÚWAS IN PLACE , WE USE TO AT LEAST HAVE A POLICY BY THE COUNTY THAT MEMBERS WHO HAD ISSUES THAT THEY WANTED TO HAVE PEOPLE AWARE OF ON THE BOARD BETWEEN MEETINGS WOULD SEND THOSE COMMUNICATIONS TO -- WELL, BETH IN THIS CASE . IT WAS ALL RIGHT THEN FOR THAT OFFICIAL TO MAKE THOSE COMMENTS KNOWN TO THE REST OF THE BOARD MEMBERS. THEY STILL COULDN'T TALK TO EACH OTHER, BUT AT LEAST THEY WOULD BE AWARE OF IT IN BETWEEN
MEETINGS. THAT HELP TO MOVE BUSINESS FORWARD. >> I CAN'T BE A CONDUIT IF YOU HAVE AN OPINION ON SOMETHING. YOU CAN'T EMAIL ME, AND THEN I TURN AROUND AND SHARE THAT WITH OTHERS. YOU HAVE TO EXPRESS THAT IN A MEETING. IF THERE IS AN ITEM YOU WANT TO HAVE ON THE AGENDA FOR EVERYONE TO DISCUSS IN PUBLIC, I WILL UPDATE IT AND EXTENDED OUT THE NEXT YEAR.
BECAUSE WE ARE ALMOST AT THE END OF THE YEAR. THERE IS A DEADLINE THAT I NEED ANY DOCUMENTS SUBMITTED TO ME TO PUT ON THE AGENDA. AND I WILL SEND THAT TABLE OUT THAT HAS THOSE DEADLINES SO YOU HAVE THAT. BUT ALWAYS, YOU CAN REACH OUT TO ME AND ASKED FOR AN ITEM TO BE PUT ON THE AGENDA. BUT I CAN'T -- IF YOU HAVE AN OPINION OR WANT TO DISCUSS SOMETHING, AND YOU WANT TO GET OTHERS' OPINION, IT HAS TO BE IN THIS VENUE TO GET THAT. I CAN'T BE THE
GO-BETWEEN, THE LIAISON. >> THAT IS UNFORTUNATE. >> WE CAN'T HAVE EMAIL
DISCUSSIONS BETWEEN BOARD MEMBERS. >> NOT DISCUSSIONS. JUST ONCE THE COUNTY RECEIVES THE INDIVIDUAL MEMBERS' COMMENTS OR POINTS , THEY COULD LET THE OTHERS KNOW WHAT THEY SAID. WE STILL COULDN'T DISCUSS THE -- WITH EACH OTHER, BUT THEY WOULD BE AWARE OF IT IN BETWEEN MEETINGS SO THEY WOULD BE SORT OF READY TO MOVE THINGS FORWARD.
THAT USED TO BE THE WAY IT WAS. >> THERE USED TO BE EMAIL. THIS
WAS A PRACTICE THAT WAS DONE IN THE PAST. >> YOU WOULD SEND -- WELL, SUNSHINE LAW WAS ALREADY INTERPRETED TO SAY WE COULDN'T TALK TO EACH OTHER IN BETWEEN MEETINGS UNLESS WE SCHEDULED A MEETING, WHICH WAS PUBLICLY NOTIFIED, ET CETERA. BUT WE COULD MENTION SIGNIFICANT INFORMATION THAT WAS GOING TO BE, PROBABLY, COMMENTED ON LATER -- IN THIS CASE, IT WOULD BE BETH OR HER PREDECESSOR . THAT PERSON COULD THEN SAY, ALL RIGHT, STEVE OR BILLY HAS POINTED OUT THIS AND IS INTERESTED IN TALKING ABOUT IT
LATER. WE STILL WOULDN'T TALK TO EACH OTHER. >> THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS NOW YOU WOULD SEND -- SAY YOU WANTED A SPECIFIC ITEM TO BRING UP AT THE NEXT MEETING, YOU WOULD SEND THAT TO BETH. SHE WOULD PUT IT IN THE MINUTES OR THE AGENDA , AND THEN WHEN SHE PUBLISHES THE AGENDA ONLINE, WE ALL GET IT. WE STILL HAVE A WEEK OR TWO OUT. IS A TWO WEEKS OUT?
>> A WEEK, A WEEK AND A HALF. >> OUT TO DOWNLOAD THE STUFF AND TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT IS ON THE
AGENDA AND FORM OUR OPINIONS THAT WAY. >> AND THEN YOU COME TO THE
MEETING AND DISCUSS IT AT THE MEETING. >> YEAH, SOME INFORMATION FITS THAT DESCRIPTION OF BEING ON AN AGENDA, AND OTHERS NOT QUIT SUCH A GOOD FIT. THAT IS THE WAY
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>> I HAVE ANOTHERQUESTION. IF I HAVE QUESTIONS , I WOULD NEED TO ASK THEM HERE IN THIS SPACE
ONLY? >> IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT STUFF THAT IS ON OUR AGENDA , IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE PROCESS OF THIS BOARD, IT WOULD BE DIRECTED TO BETH. SO YOU WOULDN'T NECESSARILY SEND ME AN EMAIL SAYING, HOW DO I GET A MARKER ? YOU WOULD SEND THAT
QUESTION TO BETH, AND SHE WOULD ANSWER . >> OKAY. THANK YOU.
>> WOULD YOU LADIES LIKE TO SAY ANYTHING BEFORE WE CLOSE? SINCE JERRY CAME AND SPOKE ON THE
MARKER? >> -- YOU WILL NEED TO COME TO THE MICROPHONE. I'M SORRY.
>> WE ARE IN A HOLDING PATTERN FOR THE STATE MARKER . YES, WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THE COUNTY MARKER ONCE EVERYTHING IS READY AND WE CAN APPLY. THEN THAT WOULD BE IN THE INTERIM UNTIL WE GET THE
HISTORIC ONE. FOR THE STATE. >> OKAY. NOW, JERRY, DO YOU NEED TO WORK WITH THEM ON THE COUNTY
SIGNAGE APPLICATION? >> CERTAINLY. WE ARE WILLING TO WORK WITH THEM. HOWEVER, I THINK THE GROUP HAVING INITIATED THE SIGNED REQUEST FOR THE STATE SHOULD STILL, YOU KNOW, TAKE
THAT -- >> WE WILL. >> I WILL BE HAPPY TO WORK WITH
YOU. >> BUT IT SHOULD BE PRETTY MUCH THE SAME PROCESS, RIGHT?
>> YES. IT WILL BE THE SAME TAX, SAME EVERYTHING. WE ARE JUST FILLING OUT A COUNTY FORM FOR
THE COUNTY SIGNAGE. >> ALL RIGHT. SO WE ARE DEFINITELY ON BOARD WITH THAT.
THANK YOU. >> OKAY. >> ALL RIGHT.
>> BUT THEY CAN ACTUALLY START WORKING ON THE FORM, RIGHT? BECAUSE JERRY SAID HE WON'T BE
HERE NEXT MONTH. >> YES. Y'ALL CAN WORK WITH JERRY. IF YOU WANT TO BRING THAT
BACK AT THE NEXT MEETING, WE WILL -- >>
>> YES. >> IT SOUNDS LIKE A GOOD IDEA, BUT ARE WE SURE THE STATE WOULDN'T SAY, WELL YOU ALREADY HAVE A COUNTY MARKER, WE DON'T NEED A STATE? IS THAT POSSIBLE? BECAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY REALLY WANT A STATE MARKER. I LIKE THE IDEA OF TWO DIFFERENT THINGS, BUT IF SOMEONE IN THE STATE AREA SAYS, WELL, WE DON'T NEED THIS ONE BECAUSE YOU
ALREADY HAVE A COUNTY MARKER -- EVEN THOUGH -- >> EVEN THOUGH THE COUNTY MARKERS ARE VERY ATTRACTIVE, THEY PROBABLY DON'T HAVE AS MUCH.
>> -- >> HONOR AS HAVING A STATE MARKER. TRYING TO LOOK FOR THE
RIGHT WORDS. >> WOULDN'T HAVE THE SAME PRESTIGE AS A STATE MARKER.
>> RIGHT. IS THERE ANY WAY TO FIND OUT FROM WHOEVER IS DECIDING ON THE STATE ONCE WHETHER THAT WOULD BE -- WE WILL SKIP WITH THIS ONE, THEY ALREADY HAVE A COUNTY. BECAUSE THAT
WOULD HURT. >> I CAN ASKED THE STAFF AT THE STATE. BUT I REALLY DON'T THINK THE COUNCIL WOULD TURN IT DOWN JUST BECAUSE WE HAVE ANOTHER SIGN. BUT I WILL ASK.
>> THE STATE WAS TO GO INTO A DATABASE ONLINE. YOU CAN FIND ALL THE HISTORICAL MARKERS
EVERYWHERE. >> AND CORRECT ME, JERRY, MIGHT KNOW MORE THAN I DO. BUT ISN'T
THERE PLACES ON THE STATE AND THE NATIONAL ? >> SURE.
>> NATIONAL REGISTER. >> -- THAT IS TWO DIFFERENT RECOGNITIONS, STATE AND FEDERAL LEVEL. SO I WOULD THINK, YOU KNOW, JUST ADDING A COUNTY MARKER TO IT OR COUNTY SIGNAGE
WOULDN'T AFFECT IT. >> AND HALF A MILE TURN RIGHT ONTO PARMER STREET.
>> I TOLD YOU TO BE QUIET. SORRY. >> MR. CHAIR, DID YOU WANTED
UPDATE ON THE MARKER? >> OH YES. THE MARKER OUT FOR -- WHAT IS THE NAME OF THAT?
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>> FORT FRANCISCO . >> YES. THAT ONE. IT IS THERE. WE HAD SOMEBODY FROM ENGINEERING
RIDE OUT THERE AND TAKE A LOOK. IT IS OUT THERE. >> WHERE DID THEY PUT IT?
>> ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD OUT THERE. >> I GUESS I DROVE RIGHT PAST IT. I RECENTLY WENT THROUGH THERE. I WONDER WHAT BECAME OF IT.
>> THAT IS WHAT I WAS TOLD TODAY. >> ALL RIGHT.
>> I WAS TOLD IT WAS THERE. >> IT WAS PULLED UP BEFORE A FEW YEARS AGO, AND THEN PUT BACK.
HOPEFULLY, IT WILL RESURRECT ONCE MORE, OR HAS BEEN. >> YEP.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.