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>> WE KNOW THAT THESE GUARDIANS OF SAFETY CONTINUE TO RUN TOWARDS DANGER. LORD, THESE PAST FEW WEEKS HAVE BEEN TRYING FOR OUR COUNTRY. WE ALL WITNESSED AN ATTACK ON FREEDOM JUST A FEW SHORT DAYS AGO. WE ASK THAT YOU CONTINUE TO PROTECT THE BEDROCK OF DEMOCRACY, THE ABILITY TO FREELY DISCUSS IDEAS, AND LORD, PLEASE PROVIDE CLEAR HEARTS AND MINDS FOR THOSE THAT DISAGREE BUT MOST OF ALL, PLEASE CONTINUE TO POUR INTO OUR YOUNG PEOPLE AND OUR COUNTRY BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT WHILE EVERYONE THAT CURRENTLY SITS IN LEADERSHIP POSITIONS WILL NOT BE THERE FOREVER, OUR COUNTRY NEEDS STRONG AND BOLD LEADERS MORE THAN EVER. GOD, ASKING ON THIS MONTH TO USE YOUR ALMIGHTY POWER TO MAKE THIS MOMENT IN HISTORY OUR TURNING POINT. IN YOUR
HEAVENLY NAME, I PRAY. AMEN. >> AMEN.
>> AS WE CONTINUE OUR TRADITION OF A VETERAN LED PLEDGE, WE WELCOME PETTY OFFICER KIEL BARNOTT. PETTY OFFICER BARNOTT SERVED -- THROUGHOUT HIS CAREER, HE WAS ASSIGNED TO THE USS CLEVELAND IN MAYPORT. THE USS GERMANTOWN IN JAPAN, AND THE USS PAUL HAMILTON IN PEARL HARBOR. PETTY OFFICER BARNOTT IS A DECORATED VETERAN HONORED WITH AWARDS INCLUDING THE NAVY AND MARINE CORPS ACCOMMODATION AND ACHIEVEMENT MEDALS, THE GLOBAL WAR ON TERRORISM METAL, AND THE GOOD CONDUCT MEDAL. HE ALSO HOLDS EXPERT MAXIMA SHIP QUALITY PATIENTS IN BOTH RIFLE AND PISTOL AND EARNED WARFARE DESIGNATIONS ON BOTH EXPERT INJURY, WARFARE, AND SERVICE WARFARE SPECIALIST. MILITARY SERVICE RUNS DEEP IN HIS FAMILY, FOLLOWING IN THE FOOTSTEPS OF HIS FATHER, GRANDFATHER, AND GREAT FATHER, HE JOINED THE NAVY TO BE PART OF SOMETHING GREATER THAN HIMSELF. NOW A RESIDENT, EDDIE OFFICER BARNOTT SERVES HIS COMMUNITY AS THE SERVICES MANAGER FOR THE CLAY COUNTY BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS.
HE ALSO GIVES BACK AS A VOLUNTEER COACH WITH THE CLAY COUNTY SOCCER CLUB. WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE IN THE NAVY, AND YOUR SERVICE TO US HERE. WE APPRECIATE YOU AND YOUR DEDICATION. IF YOU WILL LEAD US IN THE PLEDGE.
>> I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
HONOR THE TEXAS FLAG; I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THEE, TEXAS, ONE
>> I HAVE 18 IN THE BACK THAT IS HELPING GET CITIZENS INFORMATION AND ALL THE SERVICES THEY NEED.
>> AND YOU ARE BRAND-NEW, RIGHT? YOU HAVE BEEN HERE FOR --
>> JULY 9TH WAS MY FIRST DAY. >> WELCOME TO CLAY COUNTY, AND WE ARE GLAD YOU ARE HERE. FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT DON'T KNOW, WE HAVE A NEW CITIZEN INFORMATION CENTER, SO IF YOU CALL, THERE IS A CALL CENTER, AND SO, KIEL IS OUR MANAGER FOR THAT. SO HE HAS NOT BEEN HERE LONG BUT WE APPRECIATE HIM WITH THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE. SO YOUR EXPERT MARKSMANSHIP, WE MIGHT
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LOSE YOU. >> HE WAS SERIOUS. LET'S GO
BACK TO WORK. >> WE HAVE WORK TO DO.
[PET ADOPTIONS]
>> I WILL NOW CALL TO ORDER THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS MEETING FIRST NUMBER 23RD, 2025. LET THE RECORD REFLECT THAT ALL COMMISSIONERS ARE PRESENT. WE WILL MOVE DIRECTLY INTO
INAUDIBLE ] OPTIONS. >> OKAY. OUR FIRST CAT IS A NEUTERED MALE . FIVE MONTHS OLD. NEAT O'REILLY, A HANDSOME GRAY CAT WITH A LOVE FOR GAME AND -- GAMES AND MR. HIS FAVORITE PASTIME, A ROUND OF HIDE AND SEEK. YOU WILL CATCH HIM AROUND THE CORNER BEFORE HE GOES TO HIS NEXT HIDING SPOT. CLEVER, CURIOUS, AND PLAYFUL, HE IS ALWAYS READY TO KEEP YOU ENTERTAINED. O'REILLY MAY START OFF SHY, BUT ONCE HE FEELS SAFE, HIS FUN-LOVING PERSONALITY SHINES THROUGH. HE ENJOYS COZY NOOKS, GENTLE AFFECTION, AND INTERACTIVE PLAYTIME WITH HIS PEOPLE. NEXT DOG IS SHIRLEY. SPADE FEMALE. MIXED BREED. 32 POUNDS. MATURELY. THIS CUDDLE BUG LIST FOR BEING CLOSE TO HER PEOPLE WHETHER THAT MEANS SNUGGLING ON THE COUCH, ARE TAGGING ALONG ON DAILY ADVENTURES. WHEN IT'S TIME FOR A WALK, SURELY ISN'T ONE TO DRAG YOU DOWN THE STREET. SHE GLIDES BY YOUR SIDE, SOAKING IN THE SIGHTS WITH A CALM, HAPPY STRIDE. CURIOUS AND GENTLE, SHIRLEY LOVES EXPLORING THE WORLD AT HER OWN EASY PACE. SHE THRIVES ON AFFECTION, ROUTINE, AND BEING PART OF THE FAMILY STORY. OUR NEXT CAT IS BRANCH.
SPADE FEMALE. THE MYSTIC SHORTHAIR. THREE MONTHS OLD AND WEIGHS THREE POUNDS. BLANCHE IS GIVING US THE, WHY AM I HERE? LOOK FOR A REASON. ONCE AN INDOOR BEEN OUTSIDE AND HAS MADE IT CLEAR THAT SHE PREFERS A MIX OF INDOOR COMFORT AND OUTDOOR ADVENTURE. INDEPENDENT, CECI, AND FULL OF PERSONALITY. BLANCHE IS LOOKING FOR A HOME THAT LETS HER WRITE HER OWN RULES. LASTLY, WE HAVE LAVERNE CUT TWO YEARS OLD AND WEIGHS 73 POUNDS. NO. YOU ARE NOT SEEING DOUBLE. THIS IS LAVERNE, THAT SISTER OF SWEET SHIRLEY, THE DOG YOU SEPARATELY.
THEY SHARE MORE THAN JUST GOOD THOUGHTS. THEY BOTH HAVE DENTAL, -- PERSONALITIES. LAVERNE IS A SWEETHEART WHO ENJOYS STAYING CLOSE TO HER PEOPLE ONCE SHE FEELS COMFORTABLE. SHE WALKS NICELY ON A LEASH AND HAS THE MOST CHARMING LITTLE PRINTS THAT WILL MAKE YOU SMILE EVERY TIME YOU SEE IT. WITH HER QUITE NATURE AND LOVING HEART, LIVER AND IS READY TO FIND A HOME WHERE SHE CAN FEEL SAFE, LOVED, AND ADORED FOR THE WONDERFUL DOG SHE IS BED READY TO MEET YOUR NEW BEST FRIEND? OUR ADOPTABLE ANIMALS ARE WAITING TO ADD SOME EXTRA LOVE AND FUN TO YOUR LIFE, FROM MIKING TALES TO PURRING KITTIES, WE HAVE THE PERFECT COMPANION JUST FOR YOU. HEAD OVER TO OUR WEBSITE AND MEET OUR ADORABLE CREW LOOKING FOR THEIR FOREVER HOMES. TRY -- DROP US A LINE AT CLAY COUNTY ADOPTIONS.COM AND LET'S CHAT.
YOUR NEW BEST FRIEND IS A CLICK AWAY. PICTURE THERE IS THE LITTLE KITTEN, TABASCO. IT SAYS KITTENS LIKE TABASCO ARE ALSO -- ALWAYS IN NEED OF FOSTER HOMES AND THEIR SIBLINGS ARE LOOKING FOR FOSTER HOMES WHERE THEY CAN GROW, RECEIVE SOCIALIZATION, AND GET THE CARE THEY NEED UNTIL THEY ARE READY FOR ADOPTION.
COULD YOU PROVIDE TABASCO AND ONE OF HER SIBLINGS A LOVING TEMPORARY HOME? LASTLY, IF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN HELPING OUR FURRY FRIENDS BUT YOU CAN BRING ONE HOME, PLEASE LOOK AT OUR AMAZON WISH LIST. WE ARE ALWAYS IN NEED OF ITEMS FOR THE SHELTER ANIMALS. JUST GO TO AMAZON.COM. IN THAT COMPLETES
OUR PET ADOPTIONS. >> THANK YOU.
>> ALL RIGHT. IF WE CAN HEAD DOWN TO THE FLOOR, COMMISSIONERS, AND WE HAVE SEVERAL THINGS TO WORK ON.
["Commissioner For A Day" Students]
ALL RIGHT. SO I WON'T LIE. THIS GAVE ME A LITTLE TREPIDATION WHEN I SAW THIS ADVERTISED BECAUSE I'M NOT EXACTLY THE[00:10:09]
HYPE MAN THAT COMMISSIONER SGROMOLO IS BUT WE HAD FIVE STUDENTS GET TO EXPERIENCE COMMISSIONER FOR A DAY. SO HOPEFULLY YOU HAVE TO I JOKE THAT HE HAD A BETTER EXPERIENCE WITH HIM THEN YOU WOULD WITH ME. AT ANY RATE, WE HOPE YOU HAD A GREAT EXPERIENCE. I WILL BE JITTERY TO ALSO BETTER.>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MADAM CHAIR. STUDENTS, IF YOU WANT TO COME UNDONE. THESE ARE OUR FIVE SENIORS FROM LOCAL CLAY COUNTY SCHOOLS THEN WENT THROUGH A VERY RIGOROUS APPLICATION PROCESS. WE HAD JUST OVER 20 STUDENTS APPLY IN THESE FIVE LADIES ARE THE HIGH FLYERS WHO WERE SELECTED FOR OUR PROGRAM. WE HAD AN OUTSTANDING DAY TODAY. I WANT TO THANK EVERYONE SUMS THAT HELPED IN THE MORNING. THEY GOT TO MEET KIRK GREENE AND JUDGE WHITTINGTON. AFTER THAT, WE WENT AND MET SHERIFF COOK AND HER TEAM AT THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE. THEN WE WENT TO -- IN GREEN COVE AND GOT TO SEE AS A THEORIST OF FIRE RESCUE. WENT TO THE EMERGENCY CENTER TO TALK ABOUT NATURAL DISASTERS AND HOW OUR TEAM RESPONDS TO THOSE. WE DID A REALLY INTERESTING BUDGET WORKSHOP RIGHT APPEAR ON THE DAIS. CAN NEGLIGENCE TO THESE FIVE. THEY BALANCED THE BUDGET. REALLY GOOD JOB. I'M GOING TO GET THEM THE MIC AND LET THEM TELL US WHAT SCHOOL THEY ARE FROM AND WHAT THEY LEARNED TODAY. ONE THING VALEN TODAY.
>> HI EVERYONE. MY NAME IS SAVANNAH. SOMETHING I LEARNED TODAY IS THAT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT IS MORE THAN JUST RESPONDING TO FIRE EMERGENCIES. THEY ALSO RESPOND TO MEDICAL EMERGENCIES, SO THEY HAVE A LOT MORE TO BALANCE AND PEOPLE MAY
GIVE THEM CREDIT FOR. >> HI. I'M MACKENZIE ALEXANDER AND I GO TO MILDRED BERG HIGH SCHOOL. TODAY, I LEARNED MORE ABOUT HOW THE ANIMAL SHELTER WORKS MORE WITH OUR COUNTY, AND
I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT. >> HI. MY NAME IS REAGAN. I GO TO ST. JOHN'S COUNTRY SCHOOL, AND WHAT I LEARNED TODAY IS THAT OUR COUNTY COMMISSIONERS HAVE A BIG ROLE IN OUR EVERYDAY LIVES IN THE EVERYDAY LIVES OF THE CITIZENS OF CLAY COUNTY BECAUSE BEFORE THIS I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT A COUNTY COMMISSIONER WAS BUT I LEARNED THAT THEY DO CONTROL A LOT OF IMPORTANT THINGS. I'M SURE YOU ARE ALL HERE TO DISCUSS TODAY. SO, THANK YOU.
>> HI. I'M KINLEY. I GO TO HOUSTON HEIGHTS. ONE THING AND THAT IS THAT WHENEVER A POLICE GIVES YOU A TICKET, IT IS SPLIT UP 21 WAYS, AND IT'S LIKE $.50. NOBODY'S GETTING ANYTHING OUT
OF IT, REALLY. >> HI. I'M KELLY. I GO TO CLAY HIGH AND WHEN THE UNIT IS THAT EMERGENCY SERVICES IS NOT AT ALL
WHAT I THOUGHT IT WAS. >> AWESOME. GIVE OUR STUDENTS A ROUND OF APPLAUSE. I JUST WANT TO SAY -- I KNEW FROM THE EVOCATION PROCESS THESE FIVE WERE JUST -- WE HAVE THE FUTURE OF OUR COUNTY IS IN GREAT HANDS SO WHEN YOU GO OFF TO COLLEGE -- I THINK EVERY STOP WE MADE OFFERED THEM A JOB TODAY, WHICH WAS REALLY COOL. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR PARTICIPATING. AND THEN THIS IS SOMETHING WE HOPE TO KEEP GOING. FELLOW COMMISSIONERS, WE CAN WORK SOMETHING OUT TO STAY IN THE SUNSHINE. REMEMBER, LADIES, THAT WE CAN HAVE OTHER COMMISSIONERS INVOLVED IN THIS GREAT PROGRAM BECAUSE IT IS REALLY IMPORTANT TO CONTINUE TO GET OUR YOUTH INVOLVED. SO ONE MORE ROUND OF
>> GOOD JOB, LADIES. YOU ARE FREE TO GO. UNLESS YOU WANT TO
INAUDIBLE ]. >> ALL RIGHT. NEXT, WE HAVE OUR
[1. National Recovery Month (September 2025)]
THREE PROCLAMATIONS. FIRST, WE HAVE NATIONAL RECOVERY MONTH.SEPTEMBER 2025. SEPTEMBER IS RECOGNIZED AS RECOVERY MONTH, A TIME TO HONOR AND SUPPORT THE MILLIONS OF AMERICAN'S WHO HAVE FACED ADDICTION AND ARE NOW ON THEIR JOURNEY TO RECOVERY. WE HAVE SEVERAL GUESTS TODAY WITH THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND CLAY COUNTY BEHAVIORAL HEALTH CENTER AND OUR PARA-MEDICINE PROGRAM TO HELP US MARK THE OCCASION WITH A PROCLAMATION. WE INVITE YOU TO JOIN US UPFRONT, AND THEN COMMISSIONER BURKE WILL READ ABOUT -- PROCLAMATION AND ANYONE THAT WANTS TO MAKE REMARKS. WE HAVE CHEESE -- CHIEF HERRERA.
OUR DIRECTOR OF THE HEALTH THE PERMIT, HEATHER
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GRACIOUS ENOUGH TO BE WITH US, TOO. I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO COMMISSIONER BURKE AND THEN YOU ALL.>> NATIONAL RECOVERY MONTH, WE RECOGNIZE AND CELEBRATE THE MORE THAN 22 MILLION AMERICANS WHO HAVE FOUND THE STRENGTH AND COURAGE TO SEEK HELP FOR SUBSTANCE USE DISORDERS, DEMONSTRATING THAT RECOVERY IS NOT ONLY POSSIBLE, BUT ACHIEVABLE; AND WHEREAS, TO IMPACT INDIVIDUALS AND TINUE- FAMILIES IN EVERY COMMUNITY ACROSS THE NATION, WITH MORE THAN 80,000 LIVES LOST TO DRUG OVERDOSES LAST YEAR ALONE, WHICH IS DOWN 26.9% FROM 2024; AND WHEREAS, MILLIONS OF AMERICANS KNOW AND LOVE SOMEONE IN RECOVERY, AND WITH THE RIGHT TREATMENT, SUPPORT, AND RESOURCES, EVERY INDIVIDUAL HAS THE POTENTIAL TO OVERCOME ADDICTION AND RECLAIM THEIR LIFE; AND WHEREAS, THE CLAY COUNTY COMMUNITY PARAMEDICINE PROGRAM, LAUNCHED IN 2019, UNITES PARAMEDICS, A PEER SUPPORT SPECIALIST, AND THE NALOXONE COORDINATOR TO ASSIST RESIDENTS STRUGGLING WITH ADDICTION BY IMPROVING LIVING CONDITIONS AND LINKING THEM TO VITAL SUPPORT SERVICES; AND WHEREAS, THIS AWARD-WINNING PROGRAM USES A HOLISTIC, INNOVATIVE APPROACH TO COMMUNITY PARAMEDICINE, PARTNERING WITH LOCAL HEALTH PROVIDERS TO DELIVER PREVENTIVE CARE, HELPING REDUCE OVERDOSE-RELATED INCIDENTS IN CLAY COUNTY BY 28% SINCE 2022; AND WHEREAS, THOSE STRUGGLING WITH OPIOID ADDICTION ARE REMINDED THAT THEY ARE NOT ALONE. HELP IS AVAILABLE 24/7 BY CALLING THE CLAY COUNTY HELPLINE AT 904-284-7703. THERE IS HOPE, AND A PATH TO RECOVERY EXISTS. NOW THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED THAT THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS, CLAY COUNTY, FLORIDA, DOES HEREBY PROCLAIM SEPTEMBER 2025 AS RECOVERY MONTH IN CLAY COUNTY AND ENCOURAGES ALL RESIDENTS TO SUPPORT THOSE IN RECOVERY, HELP REDUCE THE STIGMA SURROUNDING SUBSTANCE USE DISORDER, AND RAISE AWARENESS OF AVAILABLE RESOURCES AND PROGRAMS THAT OFFER HEALING AND HOPE. DULY ADOPTED BY THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS, CLAY COUNTY, FLORIDA, THIS 23RD DAY OF SEPTEMBER 2025 . AND DO I HAVE A MOTION?
>> IT IS UNANIMOUS, AND WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK FIRST?
>> ALL RIGHT. >> WHAT WE DO ON A DAILY BASIS -- WE COULDN'T BE DOING THIS WITHOUT THE PARTNERSHIP WITH CLAY BEHAVIORAL. THIS PROCLAMATION IS MORE THAN JUST WORDS. IT IS PROOF THAT THE COUNTY SUPPORTS WHAT WE DO. EVEN THOUGH OVERDOSES HAVE DECREASED, WITH THAT GOES STIGMA. STIGMA IS HUGE OPIOID OVERDOSE AND REALLY RECEIVING THESE PATIENTS OPENS THE DOOR WHEN YOU HAVE PROCLAMATIONS LIKE THIS THAT MAKE IT A PUBLIC KNOWN THING THAT THERE IS HELP OUT THERE, AND WE ARE HERE FOR ANYBODY WHO HAS SUBSTANCE USE DISORDER. THIS PROGRAM HAS BEEN PHENOMENAL AND WE MADE BIG CHANGES AT -- AS WE HAVE CARRIED ON SINCE 2010. THANK YOU, EVERYBODY, FOR SUPPORTING WHAT WE DO. IT IS A PHENOMENAL PROGRAM AND AGAIN, WE COULDN'T DO IT WITHOUT THE SCRIPT HERE. THANK YOU.
>> CAN I SAY ONE THING? OKAY. WE COULD'VE WRITTEN THIS TOGETHER ACTUALLY. I WANTED TO SAY THAT THIS PROCLAMATION IS MORE THAN SYMBOLIC. IT SHOWS THE PARTNERSHIPS THAT FOCUS ON REDUCING STIGMA AND PERMIT ACCESS TO CARE. I AGREE. WE COULD NOT HAVE DONE IT WITHOUT THE SCRIPT HERE. COMMISSIONERS, YOUR SUPPORT RAISES AWARENESS. YOU ARE LEADERS IN THIS COMMUNITY. THIS ACTION TODAY SHOWS THAT OUR COUNTY VALUES ACTION, RESILIENCE AND THE WELL-BEING OF EVERY RESIDENT.
AND I HAVE TO GIVE A SPECIAL THANKS TO OUR PEER SUPPORT AND PEER RECOVERY SPECIALISTS THAT ARE HERE BECAUSE THEY ARE THE ONES DOING THE FOR GETTING PEOPLE TO RECOVERY, SO THANK YOU
>> ONE MORE THING. >> IN HONOR OF NATIONAL RECOVERY AND AWARENESS MONTH, THIS SATURDAY AT THE SPRING PARK, WE ARE GOING TO BE HAVING AN EVENT FROM 10:00 TO 2:00 AND IT IS DIFFERENT AWARENESS TO THE COMMITTEE ABOUT SUBSTANCE USE DISORDER, TO HONOR THE ONES THAT ARE IN RECOVERY. I APPLAUD THEM.
IT TAKES A LOT OF COURAGE TO COME FORWARD AND TO HONOR THE
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ONES WE HAVE LOST. IT IS GOING TO BE AN EVENT AT SPRING PARK.LIVE BAND, FOOD, SOME ENTERTAINMENT. VARIOUSVENDORS.
THE PARA-MEDICINE TRAILER WILL BE THERE TO PROVIDE NARCAN DISTRIBUTION AND THINGS LIKE THAT. THANK YOU AGAIN FOR SUPPORTING YOUR MEETING WE DO AND IT'S GREAT TO BE PART OF
THIS ORGANIZATION. >> ALL RIGHT. WE WILL GET A PICTURE, AND WE WILL
>> YOU KNOW, SO OFTEN, PEOPLE SAY, WHY DO WE FUND PROGRAMS LIKE THIS? WHY DO WE GIVE OUT FREE NARCAN FOR ATTICS AND THINGS IN MY ANSWER TO THAT IS IF IT WERE YOUR FAMILY MEMBER, YOU WOULD DO EVERYTHING YOU COULD EVERY SINGLE TIME TO SAVE THEIR LIFE, AND SO WE WANT TO JUST HONOR THOSE THINGS AND IT'S WORTH OUR -- AND A LOT OF TIMES, THAT IS PAID FOR OUT OF OPIOID SETTLEMENT MONEY. AT ANY RATE, JUST WANTED TO ADD THAT IN
[2. National Fire Prevention Week (October 5-11, 2025)]
THERE. SORRY. GOT OUT OF ORDER THERE. OKAY. AND WE HAVE OUR SECOND PROCLAMATION FOR NATIONAL FIRE PREVENTION WEEK, OCTOBER 5TH THROUGH 11TH BUT WE WON'T MEET AGAIN BEFORE WE WANTED TO HONOR OUR MEN AND WOMEN IN UNIFORM THAT FIGHT THE FIRES.NATIONAL FIRE PREVENTION WEEK WILL BE OBSERVED NOVEMBER 5TH THROUGH 11TH TO RAISE AWARENESS OF FIRE SAFETY AND HIGHLIGHT THE IMPRINTS OF PREVENTING FIRES IN OUR HOMES AND COMMUNITIES. WE ARE JOINED BY OUR CLAY COUNTY RISKY CHIEFS. AND THEN WE HAVE OUR FIRE MARSHAL, AND OUR FIRE SAFETY DIVISION HERE WITH US AND PLANS EXAMINER. SANDRA AND THEN WE HAVE CHIEF HERE. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. NO OTHER CHIEF IS GOING TO COME UP. OUR FIRE CHIEFS ARE BEING SHY TODAY. COMMISSIONER BURKE IS GOING -- COMMISSIONER COMPERE IS GOING TO READ OUR PROCLAMATION.
>> THE PROCLAMATION RATES, WHEREAS, FIRE PREVENTION WEEK IS OBSERVED ANNUALLY DURING THE WEEK OF OCTOBER 9TH TO COMMEMORATE THE GREAT CHICAGO FIRE OF OCTOBER 8, 1871, A TRAGIC EVENT THAT CLAIMED MORE THAN 250 LIVES AND DESTROYED OVER 17,400 BUILDINGS; AND WHEREAS, IN 1925, PRESIDENT CALVIN COOLIDGE ESTABLISHED FIRE PREVENTION WEEK AS A NATIONAL OBSERVANCE, MAKING IT THE LONGEST-RUNNING PUBLIC HEALTH CAMPAIGN IN THE UNITED STATES; AND WHEREAS, THE THEME FOR FIRE PREVENTION WEEK 2025 IS "CHARGE INTO FIRE SAFETY: LITHIUM-ION BATTERIES IN YOUR HOME," HIGHLIGHTING THE NEED TO HANDLE LITHIUM-ION BATTERIES WITH CARE TO PREVENT FIRES AND ENSURE HOUSEHOLD SAFETY; AND WHEREAS,' LITHIUM-ION BATTERIES, WHILE POWERFUL AND COMPACT, POSE FIRE AND EXPLOSION RISKS WHEN OVERCHARGED, DAMAGED, OR IMPROPERLY HANDLED; AND WHEREAS,♪ THE PUBLIC CAN SIGNIFICANTLY REDUCE FIRE RISKS BY FOLLOWING KEY SAFETY PRACTICES, INCLUDING PURCHASING ONLY LISTED AND SAFETY-CERTIFIED BATTERY-POWERED PRODUCTS, WHILE ONLY USING ONLY MANUFACTURER-APPROVED CHARGERS AND CABLES, AND PROPERLY DISPOSING OF USED BATTERIES AT THE ROSEMARY HILL SOLID WASTE FACILITY TO PREVENT TRASH FIRES.
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, THAT THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS, CLAY COUNTY, FLORIDA, DOES HEREBY PROCLAIM OCTOBER 5-11, 2025, AS FIRE PREVENTION WEEK IN CLAY COUNTY,
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AND URGES ALL RESIDENTS TO FOLLOW SAFE CHARGING AND STORAGE PRACTICES FOR LITHIUM-ION BATTERIES, ENSURE SMOKE ALARMS ARE WORKING PROPERLY, AND DEVELOP AND PRACTICE A HOME FIRE ESCAPE PLAN. DULY ADOPTED BY THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS, CLAY COUNTY, FLORIDA, THIS 23RD DAY OF SEPTEMBER 2025. DO I HAVE A MOTION? ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.UNANIMOUSLY. >> LITHIUM ION BATTERIES WE KNOW HAVE BEEN IN THE NEWS QUITE A BIT. I THINK THIS PROCLAMATION COVERED ALL THE THINGS WE WERE THINKING ABOUT. ONE OF THE THINGS YOU WANT TO KEEP IN MIND IS -- DOES RECYCLE LITHIUM ION BATTERIES AND WE GET QUITE A FEW PHONE CALLS, WHAT DO I DO WITH THESE LITHIUM ION BATTERIES. AT SUNDANCE WE WANT TO KEEP IN MIND IS THE NUMBER OF SAFETY TIPS FROM THE NATIONAL FIRE PROTECTION ASSOCIATION IS OUT THERE, BUT ALSO, IF THE PUBLIC HAS QUESTIONS, BY ALL MEANS, GO AHEAD AND CONTACT THE CLAY COUNTY FIRE PREVENTION DIVISION BUT WE APPRECIATE YOU GUYS SUCK -- SHINING A LIGHT ON THIS VERY IMPORTANT ISSUE.
>> THREE, TWO, ONE. THANK YOU. >> YEAH. I WANT TO ADD TO THE LITHIUM ION. WE USE A LOT OF LITHIUM ION BATTERIES IN THE MILITARY AND ONE OF THE SYMPTOMS OF A BATTERY FAILURE IS HEAT.
WHEN IT STARTS GETTING HOT, THERE'S SOMETHING WRONG WITH THAT BATTERY, SO, BEFORE IT BURSTS INTO FLAMES, CLICK DOWN SOMEHOW. GET IT AWAY FROM ANY KIND OF STRUCTURE. THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO MENTION -- I HAD THE DISTINCT OPPORTUNITY THIS WEEKEND TO VISIT THE 9/11 MEMORIAL UP IN NEW YORK CITY. IT IS QUITE A MOVING EXPERIENCE. THE PREPARATION THAT THOSE FIREFIGHTERS HAD AND STILL WEREN'T PREPARED FOR 757S TO FLY INTO TWO SKYSCRAPERS, BUT ANYWAY, IF YOU EVER GET THE OPPORTUNITY TO GO TO NEW YORK CITY TO SEE THE 9/11 MEMORIAL, OR TO SHANKSVILLE PENNSYLVANIA, WHERE FLIGHT 93 PLOWED IN THERE, THAT IS ANOTHER MEMORABLE NATIONAL PARK.
>> THANK YOU. >> SO WHEN TERESA IS TALKING ON
[3. Orange Park Mall - 50 years of serving Clay County]
BOTH OF HER PHONES AND THEY GET CAUGHT IN HER HAND, SHE MIGHT>> ALL RIGHT. OUR FINAL PROCLAMATION THIS AFTERNOON IS ORANGE PARK MALL DAY. WE HAVE A COMMISSION RECOGNIZING THE 50TH ANNIVERSARY OF THE ORANGE PARK MALL. ON SEPTEMBER 24TH AT 10:30 A.M., AT THE MALL AND CLAY COUNTY CHAMBER OF COMMERCE WILL HOLD A CEREMONIAL RIBBON CUTTING IN CENTER COURT. WE WELCOME ANDY BOWMAN, THE GENERAL MANAGER, ALONG WITH PARTNERS AND REPRESENTING THE MALL'S OWNERSHIP, SECOND HORIZON CAPITALS. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE THIS AFTERNOON.
COMMISSIONER RENNINGER IS GOING TO READ THE COMMISSION AND THEN IF YOU WANT TO SHARE A LITTLE BIT WITH US.
>> YEAH. THE PROCLAMATION, THE 50TH ANNIVERSARY, AND WE EMPLOY UNIVERSITY OF NORTH FLORIDA -- A SMALL BUSINESS INCUBATOR, BUT ALSO, THE MALL IS A SMALL BUSINESS INCUBATOR. JUST ASK CHICK-FIL-A. THEY STARTED THERE. MCDONALD'S STARTED THERE. A LOT OF SMALL BUSINESSES STARTED THERE. THEY'RE STILL FUNCTION TODAY. SO CONGRATULATIONS, SECOND HORIZON. YOU HAVE THE TASK AHEAD OF YOU. OUT READ THE PROCLAMATION. WHEREAS, THE ORANGE PARK MALL FIRST OPENED ITS DOORS IN 1975, SERVING AS A VIBRANT RETAIL, DINING, AND COMMUNITY DESTINATION FOR RESIDENTS OF CLAY COUNTY AND SUG AREAS; AND WHEREAS, FOR THE PAST FIVE DECADES, THE ORANGE PARK MALL HAS BEEN A CORNERSTONE OF COMMERCE IN CLAY COUNTY, PROVIDING A WIDE VARIETY OF SHOPPING OPPORTUNITIES, SERVICES, AND EMPLOYMENT FOR THOUSANDS OF LOCAL CITIZENS; AND WHEREAS, THE MALL HAS NOT ONLY BEEN A PLACE TO SHOP BUT ALSO A GATHERING PLACE FOR FAMILIES, HOSTING COUNTLESS EVENTS, SEASONAL CELEBRATIONS, AND CHARITABLE ACTIVITIES; AND WHEREAS, THE ORANGE PARK MALL HAS CONTINUALLY ADAPTED AND EVOLVED OVER THE YEARS TO MEET THE CHANGING NEEDS OF THE COMMUNITY, DEMONSTRATING RESILIENCE, INNOVATION, AND COMMITMENT TO CUSTOMER SERVICE AND TO PROVIDING A SAFE, WELCOMING SPACE FOR ALL; AND
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WHEREAS, THE 50TH ANNIVERSARY OF THE ORANGE PARK MALL STANDS AS A TESTAMENT TO ITS ENDURING VALUE TO CLAY COUNTY'S ECONOMIC GROWTH, SOCIAL FABRIC, AND QUALITY OF LIFE; AND WHEREAS, THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS OF CLAY COUNTY WISHES TO HONOR THIS SIGNIFICANT MILESTONE AND EXPRESS APPRECIATION TO THE MANAGEMENT, EMPLOYEES, AND PATRONS WHO HAVE CONTRIBUTED TO THE MALL'S CONTINUED SUCCESS. NOW, THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED THAT THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS, CLAY COUNTY, FLORIDA, DOES HEREBY RECOGNIZE AND CELEBRATE THE 50TH ANNIVERSARY OF THE ORANGE PARK MALL AND DOES FURTHER PROCLAIM, SEPTEMBER 24, 2025, AS ORANGE PARK MALL DAY, COMMENDING ITS HALF-CENTURY OF SERVICE, ECONOMIC CONTRIBUTION, AND DEDICATION TO THE PEOPLE OF CLAY COUNTY. DULY ADOPTED BY THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS, CLAY COUNTY, FLORIDA, THIS 23RD DAY OF SEPTEMBER 2025. DO IHAVE A MOTION? >> SO MOVED. DO I HAVE A SECOND?
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. >> AYE.
>>? THANK YOU CLAY COUNTY FOR ALLOWING US TO BE HOME HERE. IT IS A GREAT ASSET AND WE ARE LOOKING FORWARD TO A BRIGHT FUTURE WITH THIS NEW OWNERSHIP TO MY LEFT. GREAT GROUP THAT IS BRINGING GREAT QUALITY BACK TO CLAY COUNTY. TOMORROW WE CELEBRATE AN ANNIVERSARY. WE INVTE EVERYONE OUT AT 7:30.
SALVATION. >> ON BEHALF OF SECOND HORIZON CAPITAL, I WANT TO THANK THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS FOR THIS KIND PROCLAMATION. WE'VE ONLY BEEN IN OWNERSHIP HERE FOR A MONTH, BUT WE ARE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THE FUTURE OF ORANGE PARK MALL. WE ARE GRATEFUL FOR THE WARM WELCOME WE HAVE RECEIVED FROM THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS, FROM THE CLAY COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE AND OF COURSE AS WELL FROM THE CLAY COUNTY CHAMBER OF COMMERCE. WE ARE EXCITED FOR THE YEARS AHEAD. WE ARE PLEASED TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO STEWARD THIS INVESTMENT AND TO HELP ORANGE PARK MALL BE THE COMMUNITY HUB THAT IT DESERVES AND REALLY IS SEEKING TO BE FOR THE DECADES TO
COME. >> SURE. IF YOU WANT TO COME
AROUND. >> 123. IS EVERYONE ELSE
ACCURATE? >> YES. THANK YOU. AND WE HAVE
[4. National 4-H Week (October 5-11, 2025)]
ONE DECLARATION TODAY. NATIONAL 4-H WEEK IS ALSO OCTOBER 5TH THROUGH 11TH 2025. NATIONAL 4-H WEEK WILL BE RECOGNIZED AS I SAID OCTOBER 5TH THROUGH 11TH 2025, SHARING THE NATION'S LARGEST YOUTH DEVELOPMENT ORGANIZATION. IN CLAY COUNTY, 4-H IS OFFERED THROUGH THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS, PROVIDING HANDS-ON LEARNING AND HELP IN SCIENCE, AGRICULTURE, AND CITIZENSHIP. EACH YEAR THE PROGRAM SERVES EVERTON DOESN'T BELIEVE, HELPING THEM GOING TO INCIDENT AND COMPASSIONATE LEADERS. I URGE YOU TO READ THE DECLARATION ATTACHED TO TODAY'S AGENDA IS TO LEARN MORE ABOUT 4-H IN CLAY COUNTY. NEXT ON OUR[Small Business Development Center (C. Stewart/K. Henry)]
AGENDA IS -- I'M SORRY. PRESENTATIONS. SO SMALL BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT CENTER. CHERI STEWART.>> KELLY AND I ARE TAG TEAMING ON THIS. CHRIS IS HERE TODAY. WE
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WELCOME HIM UP. I THINK SOME OF YOU GUYS KNOW HIM. IF WE ARE LOOKING FORWARD -- SORRY, GUYS. WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO OUR PARTNERSHIPS AND BRINGING SOME BETTER SMALL BUSINESSES TO OURCOUNTY. TAKE IT AWAY. >> FANTASTIC. IT IS ALL GOING TO ME, SO THERE WE GO. HELLO, EVERYBODY. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONERS FOR THIS TIME TO TALK TO YOU TO PRESENT A LITTLE BIT OF THE SBDC -- AND GO OVER THE NUMBERS WITH WHAT I HAVE BEEN DOING IN THE AREA SO YOU GUYS CAN SEE THE IMPACT THAT IS BEING MADE BY YOUR COMMUNITY, SO, I THINK
I HAVE TO TURN IT ON? >> NO. YOU ARE GOOD. SEE? MAGIC TOUCH. RIGHT THERE. IF YOU DON'T KNOW ME, I'M THE SR.
BUSINESS CONSULTANT HERE FOR CLAY COUNTY. I AM A DEDICATED CLAY COUNTY SR. BUSINESS CONSULTANT. I DON'T WORK ANYWHERE ELSE. I AM A WORKING CLAY. I'M HERE EVERY DAY. OUT OF THE FLORIDA SBDC. OUR OFFICE IS NEAR YOU AND US. I HAVE A TON OF RESOURCES AND FITTINGS -- IT'S REALLY GREAT BECAUSE I GET TO BE HERE. AND NOT HAVE TO BE THERE AT THE HOME OFFICE AND IF I NEED HELP I CAN JUST MAKE A PHONE CALL AND SOMEONE IS RIGHT THERE TO HELP. THAT IS MY ADDRESS FOR EVERYONE. 1850 PARK AVENUE, SUITE 2. YOU ARE MORE THAN WELCOME TO STOP BY. WE'VE BEEN GETTING TONS OF WALK-INS LAST YEAR. THAT'S A BIG CHANGE.
THERE'S MY CONTACT INFORMATION IN CASE ANYBODY NEEDS ANYTHING, FEEL FREE TO REACH OUT. THERE WE GO. SO JUST SOME NUMBERS.
EVERYBODY LOVES MATH. LET'S GO OVER SOME NUMBERS HERE. WE TALK ABOUT, IN CLAY COUNTY, THE SBDC THAT ABOUT -- DATABASE. ABOUT 40% OF THE WORKFORCE ARE ACTUALLY EMPLOYED BY THE SMALL BUSINESSES. SO SMALL BUSINESS REALLY DOES RUN FLORIDA. FLORIDA IS 99.9% SMALL BUSINESS. A LOT OF PEOPLE SAY, WELL, IF YOU LOOK AT DISNEY AND UNIVERSAL AND LOCKHEED MARTIN AND ALL THESE DIFFERENT BUSINESSES, THEY SAY, WELL, THERE'S A LOT OF BIG BUSINESS HERE. BUT IF YOU REALLY THINK ABOUT FLORIDA AND OTHER SMALL TOWNS GOING TO BECAUSE THEN ALL THE SMALL TOWNS IN THE MIDDLE, THOSE ARE ALL SMALL BUSINESSES. THE SBA CONSIDER SMALL BUSINESS ANYONE WITH 500 EMPLOYEES OR LESS. SO THERE'S A TON OF SMALL BUSINESS AND SMALL BUSINESS OPPORTUNITIES HERE IN FLORIDA. SO KIND OF SHOWING YOU SOME OF THE IMPACT. THIS IS FROM AUGUST TO OCTOBER OF LAST YEAR, HE DOESN'T 24 TO AUGUST 2025. I SAW 192 CLIENTS. THOSE ARE BRAND-NEW CLIENTS WE ARE SEEING IN THE AREA. ABOUT 25 JOBS WERE CREATED AND RETAINED. NINE BUSINESSES HAVE STARTED AND ACTUALLY WE CAN ADD TWO MORE ON THEIR THAT I'VE GOTTEN IN THE LAST WEEK OR SO, BUT A GREAT THING HERE THAT I LOVE IS $4.7 MILLION OF CAPITAL ACCESS, SO THAT HIS LOANS, LINES OF CREDIT, GRANTS, FUNDING THAT HAVE GONE TO THE BUSINESSES THAT THEY HAVE TURNED AROUND AND SPENT, IN THE COMMUNITY, THIS IS MONEY THAT HAS REALLY HELPED DRIVE THE AREA. IT'S GREAT TO SEE THAT NUMBER GOING THERE. THIS IS MONEY THAT HAS BEEN VERY WELL SPENT. SOME OF OUR CLIENT CHARACTERISTICS IN CASE YOU ARE INTERESTED, 50% WOMEN OWNED BUSINESSES. I WAS RAISED BY A SINGLE MOM SO WOMEN RUN THE WORLD. I'M NOT GOING TO ARGUE. VETERANS, 34%. WE ARE GOING TO ARRANGE -- RACE THAT NUMBER. WE'RE GOING TO ASK ME OF SIN.
42% MINORITIES. WE HAVE A PRETTY WIDE RANGE OF BUSINESSES HERE IN CLAY COUNTY. PEOPLE THINK, WELL, CLAY COUNTY, MAYBE A LOT OF MANUFACTURING AND ORAL. IT'S NOT. IT'S A LOT OF HIGH-TECH BUSINESSES. A LOT OF CONSTRUCTION. IN THE OTHER SECTION, YOU'RE LOOKING AT A LOT OF PERSONAL TRAINERS, A LOT OF ACCOUNTANTS, A LOT OF TECH PEOPLE AND ALL THOSE KINDS OF THINGS, SO IT'S A REALLY WIDE RANGE OF BUSINESSES SO WHENEVER PEOPLE SAY, WOULD YOU SEE THE MOST OF? I CAN'T REALLY SAY BECAUSE IT IS A TON OF DIFFERENT BUSINESSES. TO GIVE YOU MORE NUMBERS HERE THAT I PULLED, 136.5 MILLION IN FEDERAL FUNDING FOR SBDC PROGRAMS NATIONWIDE. ON AVERAGE. HAVE GENERATED THREE TO $27.2 MILLION IN STATE REVENUES ACROSS THE COUNTRY. FOR EVERY FEDERAL DOLLAR SPENT, SO EVERY DOLLAR THAT WE GET, IS ACTUALLY MATCHED BY THE SBA, SO EVERY DOLLAR SPENT, THE SBA SERVICE GENERATES OVER 23 NEW DOLLARS IN CAPITAL TO HELP BUSINESSES GROW, SO FOR EVERY DOLLAR, WE ARE GENERATING 23. THAT'S A PRETTY GOOD ROI FOR THEIR. IT IS $2.49 PER DOLLAR IN STATE REVENUE. THE
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AMERICAS SBDC CLIENTS HAVE REPORTED OVER $6000 IN SALES, $6.4 BILLION IN CAPITAL ACCESS AND CREATED OVER 80,000 JOBS THIS LAST YEAR. IF YOU LOOK AT IT IN THE SMALL BUSINESS COMMUNITY, FOR EVERY $100 THAT GETS SPENT BY A SMALL BUSINESS, $68 STAYS RIGHT IN THE COMMUNITY. SO THAT MONEY GOES TO EMPLOYEES PAYCHECKS, LOCAL SERVICE PROVIDERS, OWNER WHO BUYS COFFEE, GROCERIES, MAYBE EVEN A SOCCER UNIFORM FOR THE KID DOWN THE STREET. THAT MONEY STAYS HERE. AT A CHAIN, ABOUT $29 STAYS LOCAL. THE REST GOES OUT TO CORPORATE HACKERS, STOCKHOLDERS YOU'LL NEVER MEET, SO AGAIN, SMALL BUSINESS DOES MAKE A HUGE IMPACT RIGHT HERE IN THE COUNTY. IF YOU KNOW WHAT WE'RE DOING. IF I'M NOT IN THE OFFICE DOING SESSIONS WITH MY CLIENT AND GOING OVER BUSINESS PLANS AND DIFFERENT THINGS WITH THEM, ONE MIGHT BIG THINGS IS GETTING OUT AND ENGAGING THE COMMUNITY AND LETTING THEM KNOW THAT WE ARE HERE AND OUR DOORS ARE OPEN AND THAT WE ARE HERE TO HELP THEM. EVERY SINGLE MONTH, I GO TWICE A MONTH TO FRIDAY NETWORKING AT CLAY CHAMBER.THERE'S USUALLY 75 TO 80 BUSINESSES AT THE NETWORKING EVENTS. I SPOKE AT ROTARY THIS YEAR. I ALSO PARTICIPTED IN THE RED REFLEX FOR HEROES EVENT ON 9/11, WHICH WAS AMAZING, AND HOPE TO GET TO DO IT EVERY YEAR. ENGAGED IN THE CLAY COUNTY ADULT ADVOCACY GROUP. TALKED WITH HIM AND HAD A GREAT CONVERSATION WITH ALL THOSE BUSINESS OWNERS. I WAS FEATURED ON CLAY VIDEO. I TRIED TO OFFER ME A JOB AND STEAL ME AWAY. I'M GETTING.
I'M JOKING. THAT WAS GREAT BECAUSE I GOT 10, 15 PEOPLE AT THAT I HEARD YOU ON THE RADIO. I WAS REALLY COOL. DID A TON OF WORKSHOPS. THE LIBRARY SYSTEM HERE HAS BEEN AMAZING. WE ARE SCHEDULING WE SCHEDULED FOUR CLASSES THIS LAST YEAR. WE HAVE FOUR CLASSES ALREADY SCHEDULED FOR NEXT YEAR. WHICH IS FANTASTIC. DID ANOTHER CLASSES ACROSS THE COUNTY IN TOTAL. I HOSTED AN SBA JACKET WORKSHOP AT THE FLEMING LIBRARY. THAT WAS A SEPARATE CLASS. I INTRODUCED A.I. TRAINING AND I'M ACTUALLY GOING TO BE DOING SEVERAL A.I. FOR SMALL BUSINESS TRAININS IN THE COUNTY. WE ARE GOING TO GIVE THEM TOOLS AND MATERIALS SO THEY CAN BETTER UNDERSTAND A.I. AND USE IT RESPONSIBLY AND BE SAFE AND MAKE SURE THAT THEIR INFORMATION IS GUARDED, AND HELP THEM USE IT TO GROW THEIR BUSINESSES IN A VERY SMART WAY.
ALSO ORGANIZED THE TREMONT LENDER EVENT. THAT WAS BASICALLY EIGHT MEET THE LENDER EVENT AT THE ORANGE GROVE COUNTRY CLUB.
WE HAD 30 OR 40 SMALL BUSINESSES SHOW UP. IT WAS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THEM TO GO TO THE LETTERS AND SAY, I'M LOOKING FOR A LINE OF CREDIT. I'M LOOKING FOR A LOAN. THIS IS WHERE I'M AT.
WHERE DO I NEED TO? THEY WERE ABLE TO TALK WITH A NUMBER OF LENDERS AND WHERE ONE SAID, I CAN REALLY HELP YOU, THE LENDERS THAT WE CHOSE WERE REALLY AWESOME. THEY SAID, I CAN'T HELP YOU BUT GO SEE THEM. THEY CAN HELP YOU AND WE WERE ABLE TO GET THEM IN FRONT OF PEOPLE AND GET SOME OF THOSE LOANS AND SOME OF THOSE LINES OF CREDIT STARTED WITH SMALL BUSINESSES. AND THEN ALSO I ASSISTED WITH THE CLAY COUNTY PROCUREMENT EVENT. WE ARE PLANNING THE NEXT ONE IN NOVEMBER. NOVEMBER 13TH I BELIEVE IS THE SAVE THE DATE. WE HAD OVER 100 PEOPLE LAST TIME.
WE ARE HOPING FOR AN EVEN BIGGER EVENT AND WE ARE TRYING TO PLAN RIGHT NOW WHERE MAYBE WE CAN DO -- IF IT IS SUCH A HOT TOPIC, MAYBE WE CAN GET A GLASS OF PORT WHERE PEOPLE CAN STAY AND WORK A LITTLE BIT. SMALL BUSINESS AND ALSO GET A LITTLE BIT OF TRAINING OR SOME OF IT TO KIND OF HELP THEM PRIME THE PUMP TO COME TO ANOTHER CLASS. SO A LOT OF 2026 PLANS ALREADY IN THE WORKS. NOT EVEN FINISHED WITH 2025 YET. I HAVE A TON OF OTHER CLASSES IN THE LIBRARY. I HAVE A VETERANS CLASS AND THEN I'M WORKING ON A WORKSHOP SERIES THAT WILL BE A FOUR WEEK LONG SERIES WHERE I'M TRYING TO NAIL DOWN THE RIGHT PLACE TO DO IT AND THAT WILL HELP CLIENTS, AS WELL. I HAD A VIDEO. WE DID NOT GET IT TO YOU GUYS IN TIME. IT IS A SUCCESS STORY. WE HAD LEACH PLEASE, ONE OF OUR CLIENTS. THEY WERE A SUCCESS STORY. THEY WERE CHOSEN AS A SUCCESS STORY WOMAN OWNED BUSINESS. IT'S AN AMAZING VIDEO. CAN'T WAIT FOR YOU GUYS TO SEE IT. IT REALLY TALKS ABOUT A BUSINESS THAT YOU WOULD THINK, OKAY, CLAY COUNTY. PEOPLE MIGHT HAVE PRECONCEIVED NOTIONS. THIS IS A LUXURY HIGH-END SALON THAT DOES AMAZING WORK. THEY DO MY HAIR SO YOU CAN SEE RIGHT THERE HOW GOOD IT IS. THEY DO AMAZING WORK, AND THEY WERE PICKED TO BE A SUCCESS STORY BECAUSE OF ALL THE HARD WORK THEY DID, GOING FROM EIGHT CHAIRS TO 16 CHAIRS AND CHANGING THEIR ENTIRE BUSINESS MODEL TO GO AFTER A CLIENTELE THAT THEY WANTED AND I
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WAS REALLY HAPPY THAT THEY GOT CHOSEN AND I'M HOPING THAT WE Ú CLIENTS CHOSEN FOR SUCCESS STORIES. AND THEN THE FINAL THING THAT I THOUGHT WAS REALLY COOL WAS I'M VERY VOCAL. I TALKED TO THE DIRECTOR ALL THE TIME. I TALK TO ALL THE PEOPLE IN THE STATE OFFICE OF THE TIME. I TOLD THEM THE GREAT THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON HERE AND ALL THE EXCITING THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON AND I GUESS THEY HURT ME. I WAS CHOSEN OUT OF NINE REGIONS AS THE RISING STAR OF THE YEAR AWARD WHICH I WAS REALLY THRILLED ABOUT BUT THAT WOULD NOT HAVE HAPPENED WITHOUT YOUR PARTNERSHIP, WITHOUT THE PARTNERSHIP OF EVERYBODY HERE, WITHOUT THE LIBRARY, WITHOUT THE CHAMBER, WITHOUT JUST THE UNBELIEVABLE SMALL BUSINESS COMMUNITY THAT IS HERE I MEAN, IT WAS REALLY KIND OF EASY FOR ME TO JUST BRAG ABOUT ALL THE THINGS GOING ON, AND SOMETHING LIKE THAT TO HAPPEN, SO, I WAS REALLY HAPPY AND IT WAS A GREAT WAY OF ALSO GETTING CLAY COUNTY AT THE STATE CONFERENCE, CLAY COUNTY GOT CALLED OUT. ALL THE GREAT SUCCESSES GOT CALLED OUT AND CLAY COUNTY WAS PROMINENT WHEN THEY WERE GOING THROUGH THE -- AWARDS SO I WAS VERY HAPPY WITH THAT. THAT'S ALL I HAVE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ORANYTHING. >> CAUTIONS FOR CHRIS?
>> WHEN DID YOU MOVE TO PARK AVENUE?
>> I DID NOT MOVE TO PARK AVENUE ALTHOUGH MY WIFE SAYS I LIVE THERE. I BELIEVE -- LIVE IN NOCATEE. THEY WERE ON COLLEGE
AVENUE FOR A LONG TIME AGO. >> WE WANT A COUPLE OF PLACES AND WE ARE NEXT TO TOWN HALL. IT IS A MUCH BETTER LOCATION, SO.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? >> COMMISSIONER SGROMOLO.
>> IT SOUNDS LIKE BUSINESS IS SLOWLY BUT SURELY STARTING TO REBOUND COMING OUT OF COVID. HOW ARE USING SMALL BUSINESSES NAVIGATE SOME OF THE INFLATIONARY PRESSURES THAT WE ARE STILL -- I DO KNOW, LIKE IN MY DISTRICT, THERE HAVE BEEN RESTAURANTS THAT HAVE HAD TO SHUT THEIR DOORS. HOW ARE
BUSINESS OWNERS MANAGING THAT? >> SO, WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO IS WE'VE GOTTEN SOME PEOPLE WORKING WITH US THAT ARE HELPING WITH FINANCIAL AWARENESS SO WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO IS TELL PEOPLE, LOOK, YOU MAY MAKE $1 MILLION, THAT'S GREAT, BUT IF YOU SPEND 2 MILLION, THAT'S NOT GREAT. WE ARE TRYING TO WORK WITH THEM ON WHO ARE YOUR SUPPLIERS? WHERE YOU GETTING PRODUCTS FROM? WHERE OTHER OPPORTUNITIES WE CAN LOOK FOR OTHER THINGS? WHAT CAN YOU SOURCE LOCALLY THAT MIGHT HELP YOU OUT IN THE LONG RUN? THE OTHER THING WE ARE TALKING TO THEM ABOUT IS REALLY BEING SMART WITH THEIR GROWTH SO THAT THEY DON'T GET TO THE POINT WHERE THEY ARE JUST BORROWING A BUNCH OF MONEY TO DO SOME STUFF AND SAYING, OKAY. THAT DIDN'T WORK.
WE DON'T WANT TO DO THAT. WE WANT TO MAKE A PLAN, GET WHAT MONEY WE NEED, EXECUTE PROPERLY, AND MAKE IT WORK. IT'S REALLY JUST REALLY HELPING THEM SPEND MONEY WISELY. TELL THEIR SUPPLIERS THAT, HEY, I'M A CUSTOMER, TOO, SO I NEED HELP ON THIS KIND OF THING AND REALLY BEING FINANCIALLY SMART.
>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? >> I HAD A CLARIFYING QUESTION.
YOUR EQUIPPED, I'M SURE. I JUST WANTED TO KNOW -- DID YOU SAY THAT 50% OF THE BUSINESSES THAT WERE CREATED IN CLAY COUNTY FROM OCTOBER TO AUGUST OR YOUR CLIENTELE WERE WOMEN?
>> IT WAS -- I BELIEVE IT WAS IN CLAY COUNTY. THAT IS CLAY COUNTY
CLIENTELE. >> LATE. THAT'S WHAT I'M
TRYING TO UNDERSTAND. >> 50% OF CLIENT -- WOMEN.
>> NOT THE OVERALL NUMBER OF COMPANIES THAT HAVE COME IN, BUT
>> NO PROBLEM. >> CHRIS, DO YOU SEE MORE LISTENERS REACHING OUT TO START BUSINESSES OR DO YOU THINK THEY NEED HELP WITH A WEBSITE OR THEY MAY NEED HELP WITH MARKETING OR
THAT KIND OF THING? >> I'M GETTING BOTH. WE DO SEO CHECKS AND THINGS THAT CAN HELP THEM OUT. WE GET MARKETING AND A LOT OF PEOPLE KIND OF -- ISIL TO EVERYBODY -- WELL, THAT DOESN'T HELP YOU. YOU NEED TO FIND A TARGET AUDIENCE KIND OF THING.
WE GET A LOT OF THAT. WE'VE BEEN GETTING A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. ONE, I'M THINKING ABOUT STARTING A BUSINESS. WHAT DOES IT TAKE TO START A BUSINESS? CAN IT WORK? IS IT EVEN POSSIBLE? WE GO THROUGH REPORTS AND HELP THEM. THE OTHER THING IS WE GET A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT HAVE STARTED A BUSINESS AND ARE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE TO GO WITH WHAT THEIR NEXT STEPS ARE, SO WHERE DO I GO? HOW DO I DO THIS? HOW DO I FIGURE IT OUT FROM THERE? SO, IT'S BEEN PRETTY GOOD. IT'S BEEN A GOOD MIX.
>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR CHRIS? THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE
[CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICERS]
THIS AFTERNOON. >> THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY. I APPRECIATE EVERYTHING. THANK YOU.
>> NEXT ON OUR AGENDA IS CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICERS. WE WILL
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START WITH OUR WONDERFUL SHERIFF. DO YOU HAVE ANYTHINGTHIS AFTERNOON? >> DIRECTORS, WE APPRECIATE YOU.
THANK YOU. I ALWAYS TRY TO SAY. WE HAVE COMPTROLLER TARA GREEN.
>> I JUST WANTED TO UPDATE YOU ON VALUE ADJUSTED GENTLE SEASON.
WE RECEIVED 2116 PETITIONS AND I'M HAPPY TO REPORT THAT IT LOOKS LIKE 1939+ ANOTHER 123 WERE FILED ONLINE, SO WE SUCCESSFULLY WORKED OUT A SOLUTION WITH THE RENTAL COMPANY SO THEY FEATHER REPORT ONLINE. WE STILL HAD 54 ON PAPER BUT DEFINITELY MORE MANAGEABLE AND JUST TO GIVE YOU A COMPARISON, FROM 25 TO 2116, GOING BACK TO 23, WE WERE AT 730, AND WE WERE JUST LOOKING BACK A FEW YEARS. BEFORE THAT, WE WERE IN THE 600S. SO DEFINITELY A LOT MORE ACTIVITY FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE.
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PETITIONS BEING FILED, AND A LOT OF IT IS RENTAL HOMES.>> SO THAT THE CHANGE WAS PROBABLY EFFECTIVE.
>> IT WAS. DEFINITELY SOME SAVINGS THERE FROM THE 35 TO 50
TO DO IT ALL ONLINE. >> THANK YOU. DOES ANYONE HAVE
ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT? >> KRISTI WAS SUPER HAPPY ABOUT
THAT. >> ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. ASKED,
WE HAVE APPROVAL OF MINUTES. >> I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS MEETING MINUTES FROM SEPTEMBER 9TH, 2025 AS WELL AS THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS SPECIAL MEETING MINUTES FROM SEPTEMBER 15TH,
>> WE HAVE A MOTION AND DESIGN. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? I JUST WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT FOR THE PUBLIC THAT THE PURPOSE OF THE SPECIAL MEETING FOR SEPTEMBER 2025 THAT I WAS NOT IN ATTENDANCE FOR WAS PURELY FOR THE LOCAL COORDINATING PLAN THROUGH -- FOR OUR EMMER NANCY MANAGEMENT OPIOID WITH THE LOCAL EMERGENCY PLANNING ORGANIZATION IN THE NORTHWEST REGIONAL COUNCIL AND THE DATE WAS NOT TRANSPOSED CORRECTLY WHEN WE FIRST GOT IT. HE WAS SUPPOSED TO HAVE EXPIRED SEPTEMBER 25TH OF 2025. IT EXPIRED SEPTEMBER 15TH, 2050 -- 2025. WE HAD TO GET IT APPROVED. IT WOULD'VE BEEN ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA. SO WE DON'T NORMALLY HAVE SPECIAL MEETINGS. THERE WAS A LITTLE BIT OF SCUTTLEBUTT ON SOCIAL MEDIA ABOUT WE WERE TRYING TO SLIDE SOMETHING PAST. WE WERE NOT. IT HAD TO DO WITH BUDGETS. NOBODY WAS TRYING TO PROVE ANYTHING THAT WE WOULDN'T WANT THE PUBLIC TO KNOW ABOUT SO JUST WANTED TO ADD THAT.
] ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, INDICATE BY
[PUBLIC COMMENTS]
>> ALL THOSE OPPOSED? >> IT CARRIES, BY MINISTER. WE ARE NOT TO THE PUBLIC COMMENT PD. THE PORTION OF THIS AGENDA IS TO ON CITIZENS TO BRING MATTERS TO THE ATTENTION OF THE BOARD. AT THIS TIME, THE BOARD WILL NOT ENGAGE IN DEBATE OR ANSWER QUESTIONS. YOU MAY EMAIL ASKCLAY@CLAYCOUNTY.COM AND STAFF WILL ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS. YOU ARE TO LIMIT YOUR COMMENTS TO THREE MINUTES. WE ASK THAT WHEN YOU APPROACH THE PODIUM THAT YOU STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. I NOW OPEN THE FIRST PUBLIC COMMENT BP AT TODAY'S MEETING, AND I HAVE A NUMBER OF CARDS. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WAS GOING TO SAY IS THAT A NUMBER OF PEOPLE WANTED TO SPEAK ON OUR DISCUSSION ITEM, ITEM NUMBER 24, AND THAT IS NOT A PUBLIC HEARING, SO I'M GOING TO CALL YOU AT PUBLIC COMMENT SEE THREE MINUTES. YOU ARE GOING TO COME AND SPEAK TO US NOW. WE WILL WRITE OUR NOTES AND MAKE SURE THAT WE PAY ATTENTION TO WHAT YOU ARE SPEAKING ON, AND THEN WE WILL DISCUSS IT AT ITEM NUMBER 24. A LITTLE BIT OUT OF ORDER, BUT WANTED TO GIVE YOU THE OPPORTUNITY. OUR FIRST COMMENT -- PUBLIC AM TODAY IS TERESA.
>> GOOD AFTERNOON. COMMISSIONERS, MY NAME IS TERESA SANDAY. THE BIG BEAUTIFUL BILL, UNDER ATTACK. TEACHERS, JOURNALISTS, POOR PEOPLE, THE POOR, THE SICK. THIS GIVES LEGAL COVER TO OUTSOURCING JUSTICE, SO, HIDDEN IN THE SHADOWS OF IT
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ARE THE MECHANISMS TO SEND AMERICAN CITIZENS TO JAILS BEYOND THE REACH OF CONSTITUTIONAL OVERSIGHT.OPTIONS SHORT -- OFFSHORE PRISONS FOR WHEN YOU'RE TECH FORGETS TOO LOUD. AND THEY TELL YOU IT'S ONLY FOR VIOLENT CRIMES, BUT ONCE YOU -- THAT HELP IT IS STEEP AND FAST. BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU SAY BECOMES SERVILE ADVICE AND WATCH OUT STARTS SOUNDING LIKE PROPHECY. NO CITIZEN OF THE UNITED STATES SHOULD EVER FEAR SPEAKING OUT AGAINST THE GOVERNMENT, BUT HERE WE ARE, INDEED YOU FEEL FREE TODAY? DO YOU FEEL SECURE IN YOUR BLESSING OF LIBERTY? DO YOU FEEL LIKE EVERY AMERICAN, BLACK, WHITE, OLD, STRUGGLING, FEELS THAT THE PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS IS A REALLY UNREACHABLE THING? THE COUNTRY RAISED THE DISH THAT'S NOT TO HEAL THE SICK. NOT TO FEED THE HUNGRY OR EDUCATE THE POOR, BUT TO MAKE THE RICH RICHER. MONEY THEY WON'T SPEND IN 100 LIFETIMES. MONEY THAT WILL NEVER FLOW BACK DOWN, NO MATTER HOW MANY TIMES THEY LIE TO YOU WHY, THEY WILL NOT GIVE YOU A REASON. THEY WILL GIVE YOU A TARGET, AND SO HERE WE ARE. THIS IS NOT FISCAL POLICY. IT IS ECONOMIC VIOLENCE. IT IS LOOTING. THE $5 TRILLION DEBT INCREASE TO ENRICH THE ELITE BY CALLING BACK THE LAST SCRAPS OF DIGNITY FROM WORKING FAMILIES IS NOT POLICY. IT IS PROOF THEY BELIEVE YOU'RE TOO STUPID TO NOTICE, TOO TIRED TO FIGHT, AND TOO -- SO NAKED IN ITS CRUELTY THAT IT SHOULD OFFEND EVERY INAUDIBLE ] AND HERE WE ARE, THE RICHEST COUNTRY IN HUMAN HISTORY, AND THEY ARE TELLING US THAT WE CAN'T AFFORD FOOD FOR OUR CHILDREN WHILE GENTLE PRIVATE JETS -- THERE IS NO MONEY FOR UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE BUT THERE IS ALWAYS MONEY TO BOMB ANOTHER VILLAGE. WAR MACHINES AND BILLIONAIRE BAILOUTS. THEY HAVE PASSED A BILL THAT HELPS NO ONE YOU KNOW, FEATS NO NEW LOVE, AND MAYBE THE GREAT SOUTHERN POET SAID BEST, HE SHIT AND DIED BECAUSE THAT IS ALL THEY ARE OFFERING YOU NOW.
COLD AND ON A PLATE WITH A SMILE AND YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO SAY THANK YOU. I DON'T KNOW WHAT COUNTRY WE ARE ANYMORE, BUT I DO KNOW WHAT WE ARE CAPABLE OF, AND I WEEP FOR IT TODAY. DEFIANCE TO
DEATH. >> THANK YOU, MS. SANDAY. OUR NEXT PUBLIC COMMENT IS MATTHEW WELLS.
>> ALLOWING ME TO BE HERE. MATTHEW WELLS, MY NAME. I'VE BEEN A RESIDENT FOR ABOUT 40 YEARS NOW. I APPROACHED TO SPEAK TO YOU GUYS ABOUT THE PROJECT, THE PROJECT OF WIDENING COUNTY ROAD 218. THE COMMENT CARD DOES THIS IS THE FIRST TIME FOR ME. PLEASE BE PATIENT. THE QUESTION WAS, AM I SPEAKING FOR OR AGAINST -- I GUESS THE PROJECT. I'M REALLY FOR IT. I LOVE MIDDLEBURG AND I SEE THE PROGRESS MIDDLEBURG HAS BEEN MAKING WITH RESPECT TO PREPARATION. THE GROWTH IS AMAZING AND THE OPPORTUNITIES THAT COME ALONG WITH THE GROWTH -- WELL, I'M EXCITED ABOUT THIS, AS WELL. THE QUESTION I HAVE, THOUGH -- I'VE KIND OF GOTTEN STONEWALLED WITH RESPECT TO THE WIDENING PROJECT AND THE ACTUAL INSTRUCTION OF THE WIDENING PROJECT THAT PROVIDES A MEDIAN THAT WILL RESTRICT ACCESS DISH IF YOU'RE WESTBOUND, I WILL RESTRICT ACCESS TO THE SOUTHBOUND SIDE. IF YOUR EASTBOUND, IT WILL RESTRICT ACCESS TO THE NORTH MT. -- THE NORTHSIDE. I'VE BEEN THERE FOR OVER 40 YEARS, AND I'VE GOT THREE DRIVEWAYS. I'VE GOT THREE COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES RIGHT ON COUNTY ROAD 218 AND ACCORDING TO THE WAY I READ THIS PROJECT, HAVE DISCUSSED WHAT THE PROJECT -- THE CONTRACTORS, I GUESS. ONE WAS NAMED CARLOS. IT'S BEEN A WHILE SINCE I SPOKE WITH HIM. HE KIND OF DISAPPEARED ON ME. WE WERE TALKING ABOUT HIM USING SOME OF MY PROPERTY TO TO THEI' LOOKED AT A FEW OF THE THINGS. I'M DRAWING BACK FROM MEMORY. THIS IS ACTUALLY TWO YEARS AGO I VISITED THIS. WE WOULD ALL MUCH PREFER A
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BIDIRECTIONAL TURN LANE. THE -- AT MY PROPERTY ALONE THERE'S A TRAFFIC SIGNAL NEARBY, AND THERE'S ALSO SOMETHING WITH RESPECT TO THE DOT REQUIRED SETBACK FOR A TRAFFIC SIGNAL FOR ACCESS AND I'M COVERED THERE AS WELL. I GUESS WHAT I'M ASKING TONIGHT WHAT IS THIS PROJECT GOING TO LOOK HIKE? AND THAT'S KIND OF OUT OF ORDER HERE. I WAS HOPING TO HEAR WHAT YOU GUYS WERE GOING TO SAY FIRST. I'M TOTALLY IPSUPPORT OF THE PROJECT AND I'D LOVE TO HELP AND LOVE TO GIVE UP SOME OF MY PROPERTY TO FACILITATE THE PROJECT BUT I CERTAINLY DON'T WANT TO LOSE MY WESTBOUND ACCESS. SO THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT TO SAY.>> THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. JASON CANON. AM I CALLING FROM THE WRONG
I'M JASON CANON. I OWN THE THREE BUILDINGS RIGHT BESIDE OMEGA PARK. AND THE ADDRESSES ARE 4383 AND 4389. THERE'S 18 SEPARATE RENTAL THERE, THERE'S 12 SEPARATE BUILDINGS THERE.
OF COURSE ALL OF MY TENANTS ARE VERY CONCERNED.
THE PLACE IS VERY BUSY, VERY ACTIVE THROUGHOUT THE WEEK. MY TENANTS ARE CONCERNED ABOUT HOW, YOU KNOW, THERE'S BASICALLY GOING TO BEA BLOCK OFF. THEY'D HAVE TO GO -- THE CUSTOMERS WOULD HAVE TO GO DOWN THE ROAD AND TURN AROUND AND THERE'S NO WAY TO CROSS FROM THE WEST SIDE TO THE EAST SIDE OF 218. THEY'RE CONCERNED HOW THAT'S GOING TO AFFECT THEIR TRAFFIC FLOW AND CUSTOMER FLOW. THE ONE MAJOR PROBLEM THAT I SEE IS THROUGHOUT THE WEEK THERE'S NUMEROUS DELIVERY TRUCKS, SEMITRAILERS DROPPING SUPPLIES AND MATERIAL OFF. WELL, THEY ALL COME FROM THE BLANDING SIDE, SO THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO TURN AROUND. THE RIGHT LANE IS SO CLOSE TO THE ENTRANCE DRIVEWAYS OF THE PROPERTIES, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GET COMPLETELY IN THE LEFT- HAND SIDE AND STOP AND WAIT FOR TRAFFIC -- YOU KNOW, FOR A CLEAR SPOT TO BE ABLE TO TURN AND MAKE THE TURN IN.
AND I JUST SEE THAT AS SOONER OR LATER THAT'S GOING TO BE A PROBLEM AN ACCIDENT WAITING TO HAPPEN. THOSE ARE MY MAIN
>> HELLO. HOW ARE Y'ALL? I'M HERE ALSO. I HAVE A BUSINESS, A SMALL BUSINESS ON 218. WE ALSO HAVE BEEN INFORMED WE DO NOT HAVE AN ACCESS AT THIS TIME. WE ARE REQUESTING THAT OUR COMPANY AND OTHER COMPANIES ON 218 THAT ARE BUSY TO RECEIVE ACCESS FOR OUR PATRONS.
OUR PARTICULAR COMPANY WE DO DO -- LAST YEAR WE DID 1874 TAX RETURNS IN THAT PERIOD. THAT'S GOING TO CAUSE THAT MANY PATRONS TO DO U- TURNS ON 218.
AT THIS TIME I DON'T KNOW WHEN THEY'RE SET TO GO IN AND WE ALSO HAVE A TAX OFFICE AND INSURANCE OFFICE.
IN OUR INSURANCE OFFICE WE INSURE SEVERAL BIG BUSINESSES AS FAR AS DUMP TRUCKS, LOG TRUCKS, TOW TRUCKS, ALL THOSE COMPANIES COMING TO MAKE THEIRPAIRMENTS ARE GOING TO BE FORCED TO DO U- TURNS JUST TO COME INTO OUR FACILITY. WE ALSO IN OUR COMPLEX HAVE A CHIROPRACTORS OFFICE, WHICH REQUIRES -- IT'S BUSY ALL THE TIME. WE HAVE A HAIR SALON AND NAIL SALON.
WE HAVE AN HOA ASSOCIATION THAT RUNS LIKE 40- SOME HOA THINGS WHERE PEOPLE ARE COMING IN ON A DAILY BASIS MAKING THEIR HOA PAYMENTS. THIS IS A BIG CONCERN FOR OUR COMPLEX AND EVERY SMALL BUSINESS. ON 218 THE FACT WE WILL HAVE NOT ACCESS FROM BLAINY. I'M NOT SURE WHERE THE PLANS CAME OUT, WHO DETERMINED WHAT GOT ACCESS POINTS. AND I KNOW THERE'S NO QUESTIONS TODAY, BUT I DID BRING SOME PICTURES I'LL DROP OFF WITH BETSY OF DIFFERENT TIMES OF OUR BUSINESS AND THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE IN OUR COMPLEX AND TRY AND COME UP WITH SOLUTIONS FOR ALL THE BUSINESSES. WE'VE ALL BEEN PLACED IN THIS POSITION AND NOBODY -- LIKE HE SAID, CLAY COUNTY IS BUILT OFF OF THE SMALL BUSINESSES.
WE ARE SMALL BUSINESSES. I FEEL LIKE THIS ISIS TO IMPACT ALL OF US WHERE WE DON'T HAVE ACCESS. IT'S GOING TO MAKE OUR CLIENTS WANT TO GO SOMEWHERE ELSE.
IF IT'S NOT ACCESSIBLE FOR PEOPLE TO COME IN THERE WHEN THEY COME OFF OF WORK AND THEY WANT TO DRIVE THROUGH AND MAKE THEIR PAYMENTS, WE STAY OPEN LATE FOR THAT. WE'RE OPEN ON THE WEEKENDS FOR PEOPLE. WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE IT ACCESSIBLE FOR EVERYBODY, AND I FEEL LIKE THE COUNTY NEEDS TO REVIEW THIS TO MAKE SUE THE
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SAFETY OF ALL THOSE PATRONS BEING TURNED AROUND ON 218 AND MY COMPLEX AND MANY OTHERS. SO HOPEFULLY WE CAN COME UP WITH A SAFE SOLUTION FOR THAT. THANK YOUROBERT. >> MY NAME IS ROBERT WALDRON.
BY MY LAST NAME YOU CAN SEE, OF COURSE, THIS IS MY WIFE AND BOSS LADY. I WANT TO KIND OF REFER SOMETHING BACK TO COMMISSIONER -- I'M GOING TO MESS IT UP --
>> PLEASE CALL ME JOHN. >> JOHN, HE SAID BUSINESSES WERE CLOSING DOWN DUE TO INFLATION RATES AND STUFF LIKE THAT, WHICH IS ALWAYS A BAD THING IN THIS COUNTY, BUT, HOWEVER, THERE'S THINGS ALWAYS GETTING IMPLEMENTED IN THIS COUNTY AND TO OUR CUSTOMERS IT'S ESSENTIALLY GOING TO HURT US NOT QUITE IN THE SAME WAY AS INFLATION HAS TO SOME OF THESE PEOPLE, BUT IT'S DEFINITELY GOING TO AFFECT US IN CERTAIN MANNERS. THE TIMES THAT I'VE TALKED WITH PEOPLE ONE OF THE BIGGEST THINGS I KEEP HEARING ABOUT IS IT'S A SAFETY ISSUE.
ALL THESE CURBS ARE A SAFETY ISSUE. ALL THESE CURBS ARE A SAFETY ISSUE. I WANT TO REVERT BACK TO WHAT MR. CANON SAID ABOUT 18 WHEELERS TURNING AROUND IN A FOUR-LANE ROAD DOING A U- TURN, AND THEY'RE GOING TO TAKE UP ALL FOUR LANES WHEN THEY DO IT.
AND NOEND DOES THE SPEED LIMIT. I'M SURE YOU CAN ASK THE SHERIFF HOW MANY SPEEDING TICKETS WE GIVE DOWN 218, BUT IT'S PLENTY BECAUSE WE SEE IT EVERY DAY. THE BIGGEST CONCERNTHAT WE HAVE WITH TRAFFIC ACCIDENTS RIGHT THERE IS NOT BY STATUTES, IT'S JUST BY WHAT WE WITNESSED. IT'S REAR END COLLISIONS, WHEN PEOPLE STOP RIGHT THERE IN THAT. YOU CAN'T SEE THEM, THEY COME UP IN THEM. WHEN YOU GET TO A CERTAIN TIME OF YEAR THE SUN IS DIRECTLY IN YOUR FACE COMING DOWN TO 218 AND YOU CAN'T SEE IT, SO IT IS GOING TO CONTINUE TO CAUSE A CONFLICT.
HOWEVER, WHAT EVERYBODY LIKES TO CALL A SUICIDE LANE, A MIDDLE BILATERAL TURN LANE OR WHATEVER, THAT WOULD HELP. OTHER THAN THAT JENNY PRETTY MUCH COVERED EVERYTHING THAT WE ASKED. THE COMMISSION IS OUR LIAISON TO THE REST OF THE DEPARTMENTS IN THE COUNTY, SO WHAT WE'RE ASKING AS A COMMUNITY FROM SMALL BUSINESSES IS YOUR HELP IN GETTING THIS MATTER TAKEN CARE OF BEFORE WE HAVE TO -- THEY GET IT DONE AND TEAR IT BACK UP AND WE WASTE MONEY. SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO GET UP HERE AND SPEAK.
THEY ALMOST SAID EVERYTHING I HAVE TO SAY, BUT I HAVE A BIG BUSINESS ON 218.
TOW TRUCKS IN AND OUT. I'M ACTUALLY USING THE PARK RIGHT NOW TO UNLOAD SEMIS. THAT'S NOT RIGHT, YOU KNOW? SO LIKE THEY SAID THE BIGGEST THING IS THE CURBS.
TWO OR THREE ACCIDENTS IN FRONT OF MY SHOP AT LEAST ONCE A WEEK FROM REAR END COLLISIONS. YOU KNOW, 'M ALL FOR IT, TOO, BUT LIKE THEY SAID WE GOT TO HAVE SOME KIND OF COMPROMISE ON THIS HERE TURN LANE STUFF.
I APPRECIATE IT. AND I IMAGINE ALL OF YOU ARE GOING TO STAY AROUND FOR THAT DISCUSSION, SO IF WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, AT THAT POINT WE'LL ASK THEM. ALL RIGHT, IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO'D LIKE TO SPEAK FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? I DIDN'T HAVE ANY OTHER CARDS.
[26. Public Hearing on AmeriPro EMS of Florida, LLC's Application for Renewal of a Certificate of Public Convenience and Necessity for Ambulance Service (L. Mock)]
SEEING NONE I WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT, AND IT IS AFTER 5:00, SO I'M GOING TO MOVE TO THE 5:00 TIME CERTAINS. EXCUSE ME.ITEM NUMBER 26, PUBLIC HEARING FOR AMERIPRO EMS OF FLORIDA APPLICATION FOR
RENEWAL. >> THE CLAY COUNTY ORDINANCE CODES ESTABLISHES CERTIFICATES, CONSISTENT WITH THOSE STANDARDS IN JULY THE COUNTY RECEIVED AN APPLICATION FROM AMERIPRO EMS OF FLORIDA REQUESTING THE REISSUANCE OF "B," "C," AND "D" COPCNS IN CLAY COUNTY. THE ORDINANCE REQUIRES THAT THE FIRE CHIEF ANALYZE THE APPLICATION IN ORDER TO DETERMINE, ONE, THE PUBLIC NEED FOR THE PROPOSED SERVICE IN THE GEOGRAPHICAL AREA AND, TWO, PERTINENT FACTS WHICH THE FIRE RESCUE DEPARTMENT DEEMS RELEVANT IN DETERMINING THE FITNESS OF THE APKCHBT TO RECEIVE THE CERTIFICATE. ADDITIONALLY IT REQUIRES A COPY OF THE APPLICATION WAS TRANSFERRED TO EACH MUNICIPAL IN THE COUNTY AS WELL AS THE COUNTY'S
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BUDGET DIRECTOR. ALL WERE REQUIRED TO FURNISH RECOMMENDATIONS OR COMMENTS IN WRITING OR APPEAR AT TODAY'S PUBLIC HEARING SO THEY MAY BE PART OF YOUR DELIBERATIONS. TO DATE WE'VE NOT RECEIVED COMMENT FROM OTHER MUNICIPALITIES, BUT BOTH THE COUNTY'S MEDICAL DIRECTOR AND OFFICE OF MANAGEMENT AND BUDGET DIRECTOR REVIEWED THE APPLICATION PROVIDING LETTERS OF APPROVAL, AND ADDITIONALLY CLAY COUNTY FIRE RESCUE HAS FOUND IT IS IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE COUNTY FOR THE BOARD TO GRANT THE REQUEST OF COPCN.TODAY'S HEARING PROVIDES THE APPLICANT, CLAY COUNTY FIRE RESCUE, THE COUNTY DIRECTOR, AND EACH MUNICIPALITY IN ORDER TO APPEAR, BE REPRESENTED BY COUNCIL, PRESENT WITNESSES, CROSS EXAMINE THOSE ARGUMENTS AND PRESENT ANALYSIS REGARDING THE APPLICATION. AT THE CONCLUSION YOU AS THETHE BOARD AS WELL AS CONSIDERATION OF ALL THE FACTORS AND INFORMATION PROVIDED FIND WHETHER THE RESIDENTS OF THE COUNTY WOULD BEST BE SERVED BY GRANTING THIS RENEWAL REQUEST SUBJECT TO ANY CONDITIONS OR LIMITATIONS OR BY DENYING THE APPLICATION.
MADAM CHAIR, I TURN IT BACK OVER TO THE
DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR CHIEF MOCK? SEEING NONE, I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
IS THERE ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON AMERIPRO COPCN?
>> I WAS TOLD THEY WERE RUNNING A LITTLE
BEHIND. >> THEY MAY NOT EVEN BE HERE YET.
>> THEY WERE STUCK ON THE BUCKMAN, THAT'S WHAT I WAS
I DON'T HAVE TO CROSS IT. I'M GRATEFUL FOR THAT.
ALL RIGHT, SEEING NONE, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND BRING IT BACK TO THE BOARD FOR ACTION.
>> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR INDICATE
[27. 5:05 p.m. or as soon thereafter as can be heard - Second and Final Public Hearing - Adoption of Final Millage and Budget for FY 2025/2026]
BY SAYING AYE. THOSE OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES 5-0. THANK YOU,YOU. >> NOW IT IS AFTER 5:05 P.M.
AND SOON THEREAFTER WE HAVE OUR SECOND AND FINAL PUBLIC HEARING ON THE ADOPTION OF THE FINAL MILLAGE AND BUDGET FOR FISCAL YEAR 25/26. YOU ALL HAVE YOUR BOOKS AND SO BEHIND TAB ONE I WILL NOW CALL TO ORDER THE SECOND AND FINAL PUBLIC HEARING -- I GUESS I SHOULD -- CALL TO ORDER THE FINAL AND PUBLIC HEARING TO ADOPT THE FINAL MILLAGE RATES AND BUDGET FOR FISCAL YEAR 25/26. COUNTY MANAGER.
>> THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR AND COMMISSIONERS.
THE PROCESS IS GOVERNED BY FLORIDA STATUTE AND COMMONLY REFERRED TO AS TRUTH AND MILLAGE.
IT SETS FORWARD THE ADOPTION OF THE MILLAGE RATE AND THE ANNUAL BUDGET OF THE COUNTY AND ITS DEPENDENT DISTRICTS.
THIS IS THE SECOND PUBLIC HEARING AND WAS ADVERTISED SEPTEMBER 18, 2025, IN THE CLAY TODAY NEWSPAPER. THE AGGREGATE MILLAGE IS ALSO EXPRESSED WITH THE ROLL BACK RATE MILLAGE AND IS NECESSARY TO FUND THE BUDGET. THE AGGREGATE MILLAGE IS CALCULATED WITH THE GROSS TAXABLE VALUE CERTIFIED BY THE COUNTY PROPERTY APPRAISER AND THE REASON FOR WHICH REVENUES ARE INCREASED OVER THE ROLL BACK RATE. THE FISCAL YEAR 2025/2026 ANNUAL OPERATING MILLAGE RATE IS 8.
5584 MILLS WHICH IS MORE THAN THE ROLL BACK YEAR BY 7.88%. THE PROPOSED OPERATING MILLAGE RATES ARE BROKEN DOWN AS FOLLOWS. COUNTY SERVICES, 5. 5471 MILLS.
CONSERVATION LANDS PROGRAM, 0. 2 MILLS.
UNINCORPORATED SERVICES FUND 0. 0177 MILLS.
FIRE CONTROL MSTU- 8 FUND 0. 08048 MILLS.
LAKE ASBURY SMBD 0 MILLS. THE REVENUES INCLUDING ESTIMATED CASH CARRY FORWARD INCLUDED IN THE BUDGET REFLECT CURRENT AVAILABLE INFORMATION.
THE CLAY COUNTY BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS MUST APPROVE TWO SEPARATE RESOLUTIONS AS PART OF THIS PUBLIC HEARING. THE FIRST RESOLUTION ADOPTS THE FINAL MILLAGE RATES FOR FISCAL YEAR 2025/2026 FOR THE CLAY COUNTY BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS.
THE SECOND ADOPTS THE BUDGET FOR THE CLAY COUNTY BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS AND THE LAKE ASBURY MSBD FOR FISCAL YEAR 2025 TO
2026. >> I WILL NOW OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND TAKE COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC.
IF YOU ARE HERE WITH QUESTIONS CONCERNING YOUR PROPERTY VALUE YOU WILL NEED TO CONTACT THE PROPERTY APPRAISER'S OFFICE. WE DO ASK YOU LIMIT YOUR
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COMMENTS TO 3 MINUTES. AND MR. COUNTY MANAGER, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION SINCE WE DIDN'T REDO THE BUDGET PRESENTATION, THIS DOES NOT CONSTITUTE AN INCREASE IN PROPERTY TAX MILLAGE RATES WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE LAND CONSERVATION PROGRAM THE VOTERS APPROVED LAST NOVEMBER,CORRECT? >> THAT IS CORRECT, MADAM
ALL RIGHT, SO THE PUBLIC HEARING IS OPEN.
IS THERE ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO US ON THE BUDGET -- PROPOSED BUDGET? OKAY, SEEING NONE, I WILL LEAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN BUT BRING IT BACK TO THE BOARD.
ARE THERE ANY COMMENTS OR DISCUSSION FROM THE BOARD? ALL RIGHT. NOW THE BOARD WILL VOTE SEPARATELY WITH A ROLL CALL VOTE. I WILL TAKE A MOTION TO ADOPT THE RESOLUTION SETTING THE FINAL MILLAGE RATES TO BE LEVIED FOR THE COUNTY AND LAKE ASBURY MUNICIPAL SERVICE BENEFIT DISTRICT FOR FY '25/26. AND IF YOU'D LIKE TO READ THAT RESOLUTION IT IS BEHIND TAB
>> NEXT, I WILL TAKE A MOTION TO ADOPT THE RESOLUTION FOR ADOPTING THE FINAL FY 2025, 2026 BUDGET IN THE AMOUNT OF 780,570,000 INCLUSIVE OF THE MSBD BUDGET.
>> WE DIDN'T HAVE MOTIONS. SHE JUST TOOK
A MOTION. >> MADAM CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO MOVE APPROVAL TO ADOPT THE RESOLUTION FOR ADOPTING THE FINAL FISCAL YEAR 2025/2026 BUDGET IN THE AMOUNT OF $780,630,570 INCLUDING OF THE LAKE ASBURY MSBD BUDGET.
>> SECOND. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR ITEM NUMBER 2. WILL SOMEBODY MAKE A MOTION FOR ITEM NUMBER 1?
>> I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION. MADAM CHAIR, I MOVE THAT WE ADOPT THE RESOLUTION SETTING THE FINAL MILLAGE RATES TO BE LEVIED FOR THE COUNTY SQUATHE LAKE ASBURY MUNICIPAL SERVICE DISTRICT FOR FISCAL YEAR 2025 THROUGH 2026.
>> WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND FOR ITEM NUMBER 1. WE ALL VOTED FOR ITEM NUMBER 1.
DID WE VOTE FOR ITEM 2? OKAY, WHERE ARE WE IN ITEM 2?
>> I'M GOING TO START OVER JUST FOR THE RECORD. COMMISSIONER SGROMOLO.
>> ALL RIGHT, I'LL NOW CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
>> MADAM CHAIR, NO FURTHER COMMENTS.
>> THANK YOU. PAY ATTENTION TO THE NEWS.
WE'RE MUCH LESS EXCITING THAN THE COUNTY TO THE NORTH.
THANKFULLY. ALL RIGHT, NOBODY WALKED OUT.
MY MOM CALLED ME TODAY AND SAID DON'T LET YOURSELF GET ARRESTED TODAY. I SAID, MOM, THAT'S NOT HOW IT WORKS HERE. ANYWAY, ALL RIGHT.
[28. Public Hearing to consider a Petition to Dissolve The District at Oakleaf CDD and adoption of an Ordinance for the same (C. Grimm)]
SORRY I GOT OFF ON MY AGENDA. ITEM NUMBER 28, PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER A PETITION TO DISSOLVE THE DISTRICT AT OAKLEAF CDD AND ADOPTION OF AN ORDINANCE FOR THE SAME. COURTNEY.>> YES, THE APPLICANT FOR THE PETITION IS
ON BEHALF OF THE PETITIONER. GOOD EVENING, MADAM CHAIR, COMMISSIONERS. IT'S A LITTLE BIT UNUSUAL TO ASK FOR A DISILLUSION OF A DISTRICT THAT WAS JUST RECENTLY ESTABLISHED, BUT WE FIND OURSELVES WITH A LITTLELITTLE DIFFERENT DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
A GOOD PORTION OF THIS PROJECT NOW IS GOING TO BE RENTAL UNITS, BE USING THE BOND PROCEEDS TO BUILD THE INFRASTRUCTURE. IT'LL ALL BE BUILT NOW BY THE DEVELOPER. NOW, WITH THAT WE HAVE ADOPTED THE PLAN OF TERMINATION AND A PLAN FOR THE DISPOSITION OF ALL OUR PUBLIC RECORDS, THE PAYMENT OF ALL OUTSTANDING COSTS, AND NOTICE WITH -- WILL BE RECORDED LETTING EVERYBODY KNOW
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WE'LL BE DISSOLVING THE DISTRICT.SO HERE TONIGHT ASKING YOU TO PAS THIS ORDINANCE DISSOLVING THE DISTRICT YOU RECENTLY SET UP, AND I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
>> IT IS. IT'S UNUSUAL AND IT'S HAPPENED IN THE PAST A COUPLE TIMES, BUT IT'S PROBABLY IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE RESIDENTS AND FUTURE RESIDENTS OF THE
SO DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT?
>> MADAM CHAIR, I DO. WITH THE DISSOLVEMENT OF THE CDD, DOES THE COUNTY THEN TAKE ON ANY EXPENDITURES AS FAR AS ROADS OR ANYTHING LIKE
THAT? >> IT'LL BE NO DIFFERENT THAN IF THE DISTRICT WERE IN PLACE.
THE ROADS AND WATERLINES AND SEWER LINES WILL BE BUILT BY THE DEVELOPER AND TRANSFERRED OVER TO EITHER THE CITY OR THE COUNTY DEPENDING ON
THE ENTITY. Ú>> MADAM CHAIR, I A QUESTION.
THE DISILLUSION OF THE CDD, YOU CURRENTLY HAVE HOME OWNERS IN THERE, CORRECT?
>> NO, SIR. >> THERE'S NO HOME OWNERS IN THERE AT ALL?
THEN I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
>> HOW MANY UNITS DID YOU HAVE IN
THERE? >> THERE'S GOING TO BE 700 -- RIGHT AROUND 700 ITEMS, AND THEY'RE ALL TOWNHOMES.
SO ABOUT HALF OF THOSE NOW ARE GOING TO BE RENTAL
UNITS. >> THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS?
ALL RIGHT. >> THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
>> THANK YOU. I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
IS THERE ANYONE WHO'D LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? I DON'T HAVE ANY CARDS ON IT. I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND BRING IT BACK TO THE BOARD
FOR ACTION. >> MADAM CHAIR, I MOVE APPROVAL THAT WE -- ACTUALLY, I'D LIKE US TO DISSOLVE THE OAKLEAF CDD AND THE ADOPTION OF THE ORDINANCE FOR THE SAME.
>> WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A
SECOND. >> MOTION AND A SECOND.
FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR INDICATE BY SAYING AYE.
[29. Final Public Hearing to consider adoption of COMP 25-0004 (District 5, Comm Burke) (D. Selig)]
>> THOSE OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES 5-0.
ITEM NUMBER 29, FINAL PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER ADOPTION OFOF COMP 25-0004.
THIS IS IN COMMISSIONER BURKE'S DISTRICT.
APPLICATION FOR A FUTURE LAND USE AMENDMENT IN THE CONSERVATION NETWORK -- ACTUALLY IN THE BRANAN FIELD MASTER PLAN.
>> SO THIS EVENING'S ITEM THE APPLICANT -- DOESN'T WORK VERY WELL IF IT'S POINTED AWAY FROM ME, SORRY.
THE APPLICANT IS KATHLEEN. THE PORTION OF THIS AFFECTED BY THIS APPLICATION IS ADJACENT THIS IS IN COMMISSIONER BURKE'S DISTRICT. THE APPLICATION WOULD CHANGE FUTURE LAND USE OF A PORTION OF A PARCEL. IT'S ROUGHLY 0. 6 ACRES FROM BRANAN FIELD CONSERVATION NETWORK TO BRANAN FIELD MASTER PLAN COMMUNITY. IN THE AERIAL ON THE LEFT YOU CAN SEE BEST THE PORTION OF THE PROPERTY THAT'S IN YELLOW THAT WOULD BE AFFECTED BY THE CHANGE. IT IS -- BORDERS THE BLACK CREEK, AS YOU CAN SEE. ON THE LEFT WE HAVE A MAP OF THE EXISTING BRANAN FIELD PRIMARY CONSERVATION NETWORK IS THE GREENED STIPED AREA. YOU SEE 10 IS THE DARK BROWN COLOR. ON THE RIGHT WE HAVE THE PROPOSED CHANGE SHOWING THE BRANAN FIELD MASTER PLAN COMMUNITY OVER THAT SAME PORTION.
THIS IS THE ZONING MAP, WHICH IS BRANAN FIELD PUD.
THE PROPERTY WAS NOTICED WITH A SIGN AND ALSO WITH MAIL- IN LABELS TO -- LETTERS TO THE PROPERTIES SHOWN IN THE SORT OFOF BROWNISH, TANNISH COLOR ON THE RIGHT. THE APPLICATION INITIALLY WENT TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION IN AUGUST. HOWEVER, THEY REQUESTED COPIES OF A FDEP BULK HEAD PERMIT THAT WAS ISSUED TO THE PROPERTY. SO STAFF PROVIDED THAT, AND THEN THEY CONTINUED THE ITEM TO THE FOLLOWING MONTH, SO IT ACTUALLY WENT IN SEPTEMBER. SEPTEMBER 2ND.
IT PLANNING COMMISSION ULTIMATELY VOTED 5- 2 TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE ITEM.
AND STAFF LOOKS AT THE CRITERIA, AS YOU KNOW, FOR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CHANGES -- THOSE
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CRITERIA REALLY HAVE -- THEY COME FROM THE STRAIGHT STATUTE AND THEY ARE SPECIFIC TO URBAN SPRAWL REALLY. SO STAFF'S GONE THROUGH THOSE AND IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF COMP 25-0004.THE PERMIT FROM DEP PROVIDED TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION WAS ALSO PROVIDED TO YOU. BUT THEY'RE A SEPARATE AGENCY AND SEPARATE AUTHORITY. AND WHILE IT AFFECTS THIS PARCEL AND THE HISTORY, IT DOESN'T AFFECT THE CRITERIA UNDER WHICH IT'S GAUGED BY STAFF.
SO THAT'S WHY I -- I PUT IT IN THE APPLICATION BUT DIDN'T -- DIDN'T GO THROUGH THE DETAILS IN THE PRESENTATION.
THE APPLICANT SHOULD BE HERE TO ANSWER ANY
QUESTIONS. >> ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR JODY BEFORE WE GO TO THE APPLICANT? OKAY, AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE? IS THE APPLICANT HERE? NO, ALL RIGHT. I'M GOING TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. IS THERE ANYONE WHO'D LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? SEEING NONE, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND BRING IT BACK TO THE BOARD FOR
ACTION. >> I SEE IT'S 3 ACRES.
IS THERE A POSSIBILITY THEY WOULD TRY TO DO ANYTHING ELSE BESIDES A ONE HOUSE OR --
>> THE REST OF THE PROPERTY IS ALL UNDER BFMPC WHICH DOESN'T ALOW FOR ANYTHING ELSE.
SO WITH THIS CHANGE THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO BUILD ONE -- THEY SAID THEY'D ONLY BE ABLE TO DO ONE. THERE'S PHYSICALLY ROOM TO DO HOUSES I WOULD GUESSTIMATE. IT'S A LITTLE ROUGH IN THAT CLEARED AREA THAT WOULD BE AFFECTED BY THIS CHANGE.
>> THANK YOU. >> BUT NOT ELSEWHERE ON THE PROPERTY.
>> I THINK I UNDERSTOOD THE PLAN IS TO BUILD A
HOME. >> THAT'S WHAT THE APPLICANT STATED.
>> I'M ALWAYS HESITANT ABOUT BUILDING HOMES.
I MEAN IRMA COMES TO MIND. I DON'T KNOW WHAT PRECAUTIONS -- RICHARD'S NOT HERE, I GUESS, BUT I DON'T SEE HIM ANYWAY -- OR HE IS HERE. WHAT PRECAUTIONS DO WE HAVE OR WHAT CODE DO WE HAVE TO FOLLOW TO BUILD ON THIS LOT?
>> THE AREA ACROSS THE CREEK IS FLOODED BAD ACROSS FROM THERE.
>> GOOD AFTERNOON. THEY WOULD HAVE TO MEET THE FLOODPLAIN STANDARDS, AND THIS PARCEL'S NOT IN THE FLOODPLAIN. BUT IF IT WERE IT WOULD HAVE TO BE 1 FOOT ABOVE THE FLOOD
ELEVATION. >> THIS ISN'T IN THE
IT'S AN UPLAND AREA. THE SMALL PORTION THAT'S WHITE IS UPLAND. THE REST OF IT'S HATCHED.
>> DO WE HAPPEN TO KNOW WHY IT WAS PCN TO BEGIN WITH? AND NOT --
>> DOESN'T GO FAR ENOUGH OUT. THE SUBDIVISION THAT IS JUST TO THE -- JUST TO THE WEST OF THIS HOUSE, YOU CAN SEE ON THE LEFT OF THE SCREEN THERE'S SOME LITTLE WHITE LINES OF LOTS, SO IT'S A BIG CIRCLE, A BIG LOOP OF HOMES. THE AREA ON THE OUTSIDE OF THAT IS MOSTLY WETLAND. AND THE WATER DOES FLOW THROUGH -- IT GOES KIND OF AROUND THAT SUBDIVISION AND DRAINS INTO BLACK CREEK. SO THIS WAS A PART OF THAT -- THAT FLOW AREA.
>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I'LL ENTERTAIN A
SECOND. >> OKAY, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR INDICATE BY SAYING
AYE. >> THOSE OPPOSED? AYE. MOTION CARRIES 4-1.
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ALL RIGHT, IF YOU ARE HERE TO SPEAK ON ITEM NUMBER 30, 31, OR 32, IF YOU COULD PLEASE STAND WE HAVE TO -- OUR CLERK OF THE COURT WILL SWEAR YOU IN BECAUSE IT IS CONSIDERED A QUASI- JUDICIAL HEARING. SO IF YOU COULD STAND AND MAKE SURE YOU'RE KIND OF SEEN ON THE CAMERA FOR, AGAIN, ITEMS 30, 31, AND 32.>> OKAY, RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. DO YOU SOLEMNLY SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE TESTIMONY YOU'RE ABOUT TO GIVE IS ABOUT TO BE THE
[30. Public Hearing to consider COMP 25-0012 and PUD 25-0005 (District 4, Comm Condon) (J. Bryla)]
WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH SO HELP YOU GOD?>> ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, ITEM NUMBER 30 IS A PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER COMP 25-0012 AND PUD 25-005.
THIS IS IN MY DISTRICT. THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS CONTINUED THIS ITEM TO THE OCTOBER 7TH HEARING, AND THE APPLICANT REQUESTED THE ITEM BE CONTINUED TO OCTOBER 28TH.
I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. IS THERE ANYONE WHO CAME TO SPEAK ON THAT ITEM? OKAY, SEEING NONE I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO CONTINUE
MOVE TO CONTINUE THIS. >> OKAY, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR INDICATE BY SAYING
[31. Final Public Hearing to consider ZON 25-0025. (District 1, Comm. Sgromolo) (J. Bryla)]
AYE. >> THOSE OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES, 5-0. NEXT WE HAVE ITEM NUMBER 31, WHICH IS --
>> JUST QUICKLY, THE MOTION NEEDS TO REFLECT THE DATE THAT IT'S BEING CONTINUED TO.
>> MY APOLOGIES. SO IT WOULD BE CONTINUED TO THEIR OCTOBER 7TH MEETING, AND THEN THAT WOULD PUSH BACK OUR CONSIDERATION TO THE 28TH.
>> SO I'M GOING TO ASK THAT WE MOVE IT TO NOVEMBER BECAUSE I AM -- TWO YEARS AGO I PLANNED TO BE OUT OF TOWN. I AM NOT GOING TO BE AT THE OCTOBER 28TH MEETING.
THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT, AND SO IF -- IF ANYONE IS OPPOSED, I JUST REALIZED THAT. I KNOW WE GOT THE E-MAIL ASKING US TO MOVE IT TO THE 28TH AND ALL I RESPONDED WAS RECEIVED.
BUT IF YOU ALL ARE OKAY WITH IT WE COULD MOVE IT TO THE FIRST MEETING IN NOVEMBER. IS THAT OKAY, COURTNEY, OR DO I HAVE TO --
>> THAT'LL BE FINE. REMEMBER THE FIRST MEETING IN NOVEMBER IS THE 10TH WHICH IS MONDAY, BECAUSE WE CHANGED TAT. YOU COULD EITHER DO THE 10TH OR THE 25TH.
>> THE 10TH IS FINE I JUST THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT I'M HERE. I WOULD LIKE TO BE HERE. I KNOW NOT EVERYONE REVOLVESREVOLVES AROUND BUT --
>> SO THE PLANNING COMMIS CAN STILL HEAR IT ON THE 7TH, AND THEN WE WOULD VOTE ON THE 10TH OF NOVEMBER. YOU'RE GOOD WITH THAT, I CAN AMEND MY MOTION.
>> SO WE HAD A MOTION. DID WE HAVE A SECOND? YEAH, WE DID.
THANK YOU. AND WE VOTED, CORRECT? OKAY. ALL RIGHT, ITEM NUMBER 31, FINAL PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER ZONE 25-0025. THIS IS TO REZONE A SINGLE PARCEL OF LAND IN COMMISSIONER SGROMOLO'S DISTRICT.
JENNY? >> GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS. JENNY HERE TO PRESENT.
ZON 25-0025. THIS IS FOR AN APPROXIMATELY 2- ACRE PARCEL IN COMMISSIONER SGROMOLO'S DISTRICT ON COUNTY ROAD 220. WHERE THE APPLICANT WOULD LIKE TO CHANGE THE CURRENT ZONING FROM AR, AGRICULTURAL RESIDENTIAL, TO PS3, PUBLIC SERVICES. TO ALLOW FOR A STAND ALONE SURGICAL CENTER AND SOME MEDICAL OFFICE. AS YOU CAN SEE THE PROPERTY'S JUST WEST OF 220. THE PROPERTY HAS THE CHURCH ON THE WEST OF IT AND ORCHPARK MEDICAL PLANS TO BUILD A STAND ALONE MEDICAL CENTER TO THE EAST. THE APPLICANT PREVIOUSLY CAME IN WITH A REQUEST FOR RETAIL AND OTHER PROFESSIONAL OFFICES AND THE CITIZENS ADVISORY COMMITTEE OF FLEMMING ISLAND AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION WERE CONCERNED ABOUT THE ININCLUSION OF RETAIL. THE APPLICANT HAS SINCE RESPONDED BY TAKING OUT PROPERTY AND ONLY INCLUDING MEDICAL PROFESSIONAL OFFICE. THIS SLIDE ON THE LEFT SHOWS THE EXISTING AR ZONING, AND THE SLIDE ON THE RIGHT SHOWS WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE WITH THE PS3 ZONING. THERE'S A RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY ACROSS 220 TO THE NORTH AND A LOW RESIDENTIAL TO THE SOUTH. THERE ARE TRANSPORTATIONAL INVESTMENTS BEING IMPLEMENTED
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ALONG THE 220 CORRIDOR CURRENTLY, AND AS YOU CAN SEE THIS WOULD BE A CONSISTENT ZONING ALONG THE CORRIDOR SHOULD YOU APPROVE IT.THIS IS A PROPOSED SITE PLAN SHOWING HOW THE DEVELOPMENT WOULD BE LAID OUT AND THE ENTRANCE OFF OF 220. SO AS I SHARED, THEY WANT TO CHANGE FROM AR TO PS- 3 ON APPROXIMATELY 2 ACRES.
THIS WD FROM WOULD FROM A PLANNING PERSPECTIVE BE CONSIDERED IN- FILL DEVELOPMENT BETWEEN TWO INSTITUTIONS WHILE CONSIDERING A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT ALONG 220. THE CITIZENS ADVISORY COMMITTEE VOTED 3- 2 DENIAL BASED ON THOSE -- THOSE THINGS THAT I HAVE IDENTIFIED HERE. DISREGARD AND DISMISSAL OF THE RESPECTIVE FLEMMING ISLAND FUTURE BUILDING PLAN, CONCERN THAT ENCROACHING CHANGE CLOSER TO RESIDENTIAL AREAS CURRENTLY EXISTS, ALSO RESISTANCE TO CHANGE TO -- CHANGE TO ZONING DUE TO CONCERNS OF ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC, AND THE POSSIBILITY OF RESELLING THE PROPERTY TO THE FUTURE HOSPITAL TO BE COMBINED FOR THEM TO BUILD A LARGER FACILITY. THE PLANNING COMMISSION DID HEAR THIS ITEM ON SEPTEMBER 2ND AND PROVIDED A RECOMMENDATION OF 7- 0 OF APPROVAL. AND BASEDBASED THE IDENTIFIERS IN THE STAFF REPORT, IT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THE INTENT OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT USES, AND THEREFORE STAFF DOES RECOMMEND APPROVAL. AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE.
>> OKAY. WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO COME UP AND SPEAK?
>> HELLO, MADAM CHAIR, COMMISSIONERS. I'M ROBERT WHITE.
I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF MY CLIENT.
AS JENNY STATED WE HAD INITIALY STARTED OUT WITH A PUD. AND WITH THAT PUD WE WERE REQUESTING THE AMBILATORY SURGICAL CENTER, THE MEDICAL OFFICES ASSOCIATED WITH IT PLUS SOME PROFESSIONAL OFFICES, ENGINEERS, ARCHITECTS, LAWYERS, ACCOUNTANTS, AND ALSO A LITTLE COFFEE SHOP, MAYBE SOME BOUTIQUE SHOPS IN THERE.
AS JENNY SAID THE FLEMMINGS ISLAND COMMITTEE DIDN'T CARE FOR THAT NEITHER DID THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
WE CAME BACK WITH THE STRAIGHT ZONING OF PS3.
AS YOU KNOW PS- 3 HAS NONE OF THOSE COMPONENTS OF RETAIL IN IT. IT'S STRICTLY MEDICAL.
IT'S FOR THE SURGICAL CENTER AND MEDICAL OFFICES. THAT'S IT.
SO I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
SGROMOLO. >> YES, MADAM CHAIR.
WHEN I MET WITH MAYBE YOUR COLLEAGUE OR ANOTHER -- HE'S THERE IN THE BACK.
>> HOW ARE YOU DOING? I WAS TOLD IT WAS A LOCAL CARDIOLOGIST, RIGHT, THAT'S GOING TO HAVE A -- THERE'S THE DOCTOR.
AND THAT'S STILL THE PLAN TO MAKE IT, YOU KNOW, A SINGLE- DAY SURGERY CENTER?
>> AWESOME. ONE OF THE THINGS FOR ME THAT I APPRECIATE WAS THE APPLICANT'S WILLINGNESS TO ADJUST. WHEN FLEMMING ISLAND WAS ORIGINALLY PLANNED EVERYTHING WEST ON 220 PAST CUNOVA ROAD WAS INITIALLY SUPPOSED TO BE ONLY RESIDENTIAL ALL THE WAY TO WHITEYS. THERE WAS A REZONING THAT HAPPENED OFF OF OF CANOVA, I GUESS ON THE WEST SIDE TWO YEARS AGO WHICH IS WHERE ORANGE PARK MEDICAL CENTER NOW BOUGHT THAT PROPERTY. YOU HAVE THIS ONE PIECE OF AGRESIDENTIAL IN BETWEEN A CHURCH AND ESSENTIALLY AN EMERGENCY CENTER, A FUTURE EMERGENCY CENTER.
SO I CAN JUST SAY FOR THE PUBLIC, FOR THE RESIDENTS OF FLEMMING ISLAND, I'M NOT PALATABLE TO GO ANY FURTHER WEST THAN THE CHURCH WITH ANYMORE COMMERCIAL. I THINK IT WAS BUILT OUT THAT WAY FOR A REASON. YOU SEE ALL THE PEOPLE ON OLD HARD ROAD WITH THE AR RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES. I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR WILLINGNESS TO WORK WITH US. ONE OF THE THINGS I TOLD THE DEVELOPER IS ENSURE THE RESIDENTS THE ADJUSTMENT WITH THEIR BUFFER AND THERE'S GOING TO BE A POND IN THE BACK WHICH SEPARATES THEM. SO I APPRECIATE YOU MAKING ADJUSTMENTS FOR US ON THIS
ONE. >> OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? ALL RIGHT, THANK
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>> I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
I DO NOT HAVE ANY CARDS ON THIS ITEM.
IS THERE ANYONE WHO'D LIKE TO SPEAK ON IT? I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND BRING IT BACK FOR ACTION.
>> I'D LIKE TO DISCLOSE MY EX PARTE COMMUNICATION WITH THE DEVELOPER.
>> IS THERE ANYONE WHO HAS EX PARTE COMMUNICATION TO
DISCLOSE? >> AND I DO HAVE ONE COMMENT.
JUST IN CONNECTION TO THIS ITEM IF IT'S APPROVED THE ORDINANCE IS ATTACHED, WE DO NEED TO MAKE A COUPLE OF REVISIONS TO IT TO ACTUALLY CONFORM IT TO THE ACTUAL ADVERTISEMENT THAT WAS MADE, SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE YOU AWARE OF THAT.
>> I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF. WHAT ARE THE -- AS IT'S WRITTEN, WHAT ARE THE USES THAT WOULD BE PERMITTED IN ITS ENTIRETY?
>> SO FOR LANDS IN PS- 3 THEY CAN HAVE HOSPITALS, RELATED ADJACENT MEDICAL OFFICES, MEDICAL FACILITIES, CHARITABLE INSTITUTIONS, AN INCINERATOR FOR ACCESSORY USE FOR THE HOSPITAL OR SURGICAL CENTER ONLY. AND THEN THEY HAVE SOME CONDITIONAL USES, COMMUNICATION ANTENNAS AND TOWERS, BUILDINGS THAT SUPPORT COMMUNICATION TOWERS, ANIMAL
THERE'S NO LANGUAGE FOR, LIKE, DISPENSARY, CORRECT?
>> WE ACTUALLY SEPARATED THAT OUT TWO YEARS
ZONING? >> YEAH, BECAUSE IT WAS PART OF THIS, AND THE OTHER THING PEOPLE WERE CONCERNED ABOUT WAS TREATMENT -- A TREATMENT CENTER FOR LIKE OUR DRUG TREATMENT CENTER. I THINK THAT MAY HAVE BEEN WHEN WE DID THAT -- YEAH, THE NEW MEDICAL REHAB CENTER GOING OVER ON ORANGE
PARK. >> MADAM CHAIR, IT WAS AUGUST 21, 2023, AND IT INCLUDED DETENTION CENTERS, DRUG ABUSE AND ALCOHOL, INTERMEDIATE CARE, AND INTELLECTUALLY DISABLED.
SO THOSE WERE TAKEN OUT OF THE PS-3.
>> YES, MA'AM. I'D LIKE TO MOVE APPROVAL OF THE REZONING 25- 0025 FOR APPROVAL.
>> OKAY, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR INDICATE BY SAYING AYE.
[32. Public Hearing to consider ZON 25-0019. (District 4, Comm. Condon) (J. Bryla)]
>> AYE. >> THOSE OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES 5-0. ITEM NUMBER 32 IS A PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER ZONE 25-0019. THIS IS ALSO IN MY DISTRICT.
REZONING OF 5 ACRES TO CHANGE FROM COMMERCIAL AND PROFESSIONAL OFFICE BA- 2 TO SPECIALTY DISTRICT BB-3.
THE BOARD WILL ALSO NEED TO CONSIDER THE TYPE 3 DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THAT IS ASSOCIATED DUE TO THE CLAY HILL OVERLAY.
>> THANK YOU. THIS IS A REQUEST BY THE APPLICANT SARAH SMART AND HER BUSINESS TO CHANGE ROUGHLY 5 ACRES -- A 5- ACRE PARCEL FROM BA -- BA- 2, EXCUSE ME, TO BB-3.
THIS PARCEL IS LOCATED TO THE CLAY HILL DISTRICT ADJACENT TO COUNTY ROAD 218.
THIS GRAPHIC ILLUSTRATES WHERE THE PARCEL IS LOCATED AND THE DEVELOPMENT AROUND THE SUBJECT PARCEL.
YOU'LL NOTICE THAT MOST OF THE PROPERTY SURROUNDING THE SUBJECT PARCEL ARE SINGLE- FAMILY IN NATURE ALTHOUGH COUNTY ROAD 218 DOES HAVE A STRETCH OF COMMERCIAL LAND USE TO THE NORTH OF THE SUBJECT PARCEL. SO N SAYING THAT THESE ARE RESIDENTIAL IN NATURE IS THAT THE HOUSES REMAIN AND THAT THERE ARE CERTAIN BUSINESSES THAT ARE RUN OUT OF THEM INTERMITTENTLY.
AS DISCUSSED, THE AREA TO THE NORTH AND SOUTH OF THE SUBJECT PARCEL CONTAIN AREAS OF COMMERCIAL FUTURE LAND USE.
HOWEVER, THE CORRESPONDING ZONING DISTRICTS ARE A MISMATCH OF DIFFERENT TYPES OF COMMERCIAL USES AND INTENSITIES. THE BB ZONING WHICH IS NO LONGER A PERMITTED CHOICE CAN HAVE AN INTENSE USE, AND BA OFFICES TEND TO BE MORE OFFICE AND PROFESSIONAL.
THE CLAY HILL OVERLAY RUNS PARALLEL TO COUNTY ROAD 218. THE OVERLAY IS INTENDED TO PROVIDE THE DISTRICT SOME CONSISTENCY AND IDENTITY
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FOR NONRESIDENTIALLY ZONED PROPERTIES. THE OVERLAY ENCOURAGES RUSTIC FLORIDA AND ALL STORAGE IS TO BE ENCLOSED IN A BUILDING WITH OUTDOOR STORAGE BEING LIMITED. THE PLAN DOES ALLOW FOR OUR OUTDOOR STORAGE, HOWEVER, IT MUST BE BUFFERED FROM ALL SIDES WITH A 15- FOOT OPAQUE BUFFER.IN ADDITION, THE AREAS THAT FALL OUTSIDE OF THE OVERLAY WOULD BE REQUIRED TO HAVE A 20- FOOT B-BUFFER.
AND I CAN GO INTO THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE IF YOU'D LIKE MORE INFORMATION ON THAT. SO THE IMAGES HERE ARE INTENDED TO BE WHAT THE CLAY HILL OVERLAY IS TRYING TO ACHIEVE WITH ARCHITECTURAL DETAILING, MASSING, BUILDING MATERIALS, AND HEIGHT. AS DISCUSSED, THE ZONING DISTRICTS WITHIN THE AREA ARE A CONGLOMERATION OF DISTRICTS. SO I PREPARED THIS GRAPHIC SO THAT YOU COULD SEE THE BB- 3 STANDS OUT WHEREAS MOST OF THE PROPERTIES ARE BA, WHICH IS AN OFFICE USE, OR BB, WHICH IS A USE NOT PERMITTED ANY LONGER.
AND THEN THERE WAS A PS- 1, WHICH WAS A PUBLIC SERVICES DIRECTLY TO THE SOUTHWEST.
WE SENT 25 NOTICE SAID TO THE ADDRESSES PRESENTED HERE, AND I HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY COMMENTS THUS FAR. SO THE RECOMMENDATIONS PROVIDED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION WAS FOR A DEVELOPER'S AGREEMENT TO GO ALONG WITH THE APPLICATION.
THE OUTDOOR STORAGE OF THE TIRES SHALL BE ONLY IN THE REAR.
THE OPAQUE FENCE SHALL SURROUND THE PROPERTY. THERE SHOULD BE NO STACKING OF TIRES HIGHER THAN 6 FEET TALL. THESE ARE SPECIFIC RECOMMENDATIONS PUT ON BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION OR REQUESTED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION. THESE SPECIFIC RECOMMENDATIONS WOULD BE IN ADDITION TO ALL THE OTHER APPLICABLE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE STANDARDS INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO THE CLAY HILL OVERLAY STANDARDS AND THE LANDSCAPE CODE. THE MIDDLEBURG CAC DID HEAR THIS ON AUGUST 18TH AND RECOMMENDED 7-0 FOR APPROVAL.
AND AS I SHARED, THE PLANNING COMMISSION DID HEAR IT AND RECOMMENDED A DEVELOPER AGREEMENT ALONG WITH A 7- 0 APPROVAL. HOWEVER, BASED ON THE CRITERIA IN THE STAFF REPORT, STAFF DOES F■IND HAT THE REQUEST IS INCONSISTENT WITH THE REQUEST OFFENSE THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND CONSIDERS IT ALMOST SPOT ZONING, AND THEREFORE I DO RECOMMEND DENIAL.
AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU
HAVE. >> OKAY, QUESTIONS FOR JENNY.
ALL RIGHT. IS THE APPLICANT HERE? COME ON UP.
SMART. >> IF YOU WANT TO JUST SPEAK INTO THE MICROPHONE A LITTLE BIT. THANKS.
>> SORRY. MY NAME IS SARAH SMART.
I'M HERE FOR THE REZONE. WE HAVE A SMALL BUSINESS THAT WE'VE LOCATED IN CLAY HILL BECAUSE OF WHAT IS SURROUNDING IT. WE FEEL LIKE THE AREA'S A GOOD FIT FOR WHAT WE WANT TO PUT OUT
THERE. >> AND YOU WANT TO TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT, WHAT YOUR BUSINESS IS?
>> SO OUR BUSINESS IS AGRICULTURAL TIRES THAT ARE SERVICED IN THE WOODS WITH THE LOGGERS ON SITE, SO THERE'S NOT ACTIVITY -- THERE'S NOT NECESSARILY ACTIVITY IN THE YARD FOR TIRES.
THEY ARE PICKED UP FROM THERE, TAKEN TO THE WOODS.
THE OLD ONES ARE BROUGHT BACK, A TRUCK COMES IN, TAKES THE OLD ONES, AND SHIPS THEM TO ALABAMA.
THAT'S PRETTY MUCH THE GIST OF HOW IT WORKS.
WE HAVE TWO BOOM TRUCKS. CURRENTLY INSURANCE DICTATES THEY ARE AT OUR RESIDENCE AND NOT AT OUR COMMERCIAL PROPERTY. THAT MAY CHANGE IN THE FUTURE.
I HAVE NO IDEA. THE INSURANCE STIPULATIONS CHANGE ALL THE TIME, BUT WE BASICALLY HAVE GIANT TIRES THAT THAT÷÷ HAVE STORED OUT THERE. THEY'RE CURRENTLY ON THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY. WE TRIED TO BUILD SOMETHING, BUT THERE'S A PROBLEM WITH THE PETROLEUM AND THE FIRE MARSHAL ON THE SIDE, SO THE NEXT BEST THING IS CHANGING THE ZONING TO ALLOW THE TIRES TO BE ON THE
OUTSIDE. >> OKAY, QUESTIONS FOR THE
APPLICANT? >> IS THIS YOUR CURRENT RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY WHERE YOU GUYS LIVE, LIKE THIS IS WHERE YOUR HOUSE IS OR THIS IS A VACANT LOT?
THE HOME IS STILL IN PLACE. IT'S USED AS A BUSINESS OFFICE, AND THEN THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY IS USED FOR MOVING TIRES IN AND OUT.
>> THE PARCELS LIKE AT MALLARD ROAD AND LAURIE LANE, ARE THERE HOMES ON THOSE PARCELS?
>> MALLARD LANE, YES, THERE ARE HOMES.
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THE PS BEHIND US I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT IS HAPPENING THERE.ACROSS FROM US IS A LOGGER STORAGE AREA OR A SHOP I GUESS, TNT BAR, A HOME MOVER THAT MOVES MOBILE HOMES AND TO THE LEFT IS A FABRICATOR.
>> OKAY, SO THERE'S COMMERCIAL ALL AROUND YOU.
YOU JUST NEED THAT ZONING FOR THE TIRES THAT YOU'RE
HANDLING. >> TO ALLOW THEM TO STAY OUTSIDE AND NOT TO HOUSE THEM, YES.
>> SO RIGHT NOW YOU'RE HAVING TO
HOUSE THEM? >> NO, RIGHT NOW THEY ARE SITTING AND WAITING TO BE HOUSED BUT I CAN'T GET PAST THE DRC WITH THE FIRE MARSHAL AND THE PETROLEUM AND THE BUILDING, SO I'M JUST HAVING A COMPLICATION WITH --
>> MADAM CHAIR, HOW LONG DO THE TIRES RESIDE ON THE
PROPERTY? >> WHEN THEY COME IN NEW THEY MAY BE THERE FOR 30 DAYS.
>> WELL, THAT'S JUST A MATTER OF SHIPPING AND LOGISTICS.
WE TRY NOT TO STACK THEM. WE DON'T WANT THE USED TIRES IN OUR YARD EITHER.
>> RIGHT, THAT WAS MY QUESTION.
>> YES, YES. WE CONSISTENTLY SHIP THEM OUT WHEN THEY COME IN. WHEN THERE'S ENOUGH TO PUT ON A TRAILER, WE ORDER A TRAILER, THE TRAILER COMES IN, THEY'RE LOADED, AND THEN REMOVED.
>> OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT?
COMMISSIONER COMPERE. >> YES, PLEASE.
CAN I GET A TIME FRAME FOR THAT? I KNOW IT'S NOT YOUR DESIRE TO HAVE USED TIRES IN YOUR YARD, BUT YOU ALSO QUALIFY IT BY SAYING WHEN YOU HAVE ENOUGH.
LIKE? >> IT COULD BE A TWO- WEEK CYCLE TO HAVE ENOUGH TO DISPOSE OF TO FILL A
OTHER QUESTIONS? >> THISTHIS JUST JUST BECAUSE I'M CURIOUS.
DO YOU GUYS USE A FORKLIFT? HOW DO YOU LIFT THEM ONTO THE
TRUCK? >> SO THE TRUCKS LOOK LIKE TOW TRUCKS, AND THEY HAVE, LIKE, A CRANE ARM THAT CAN PICK UP A TIRE AND OTHERWISE WE USE A FORKLIFT WITH
PADDLES. >> THE PROPERTY'S HOW MANY ACRES? OKAY, SO THEY WOULD DRIVE ONTO THE -- IT'S NOT LIKE THEY'D PARK ON 218, THEY'D DRIVE ONTO THE PROPERTY --
>> CORRECT, THEY CAN DRIVE ONTO THE PROPERTY, ALL THE WAY TO THE BACK WHERE THE TIRES ARE LOCATED, DO WHAT THEY NEED TO DO AND DRIVE BACK OUT.
>> OKAY. >> THERE'S AN ENTIRE TURNAROUND FOR A SEMI IN THE YARD AND THE FIRE
MARSHAL. >> CAC WANTED -- NO, PLANNING COMMISSION SAID TO HAVE THEM BEHIND THE --
>> THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED THAT THEY BE ON THE BACK ONE- THIRD OF THE LOT.
>> DO YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH ANY
OF THAT? >> NO, IT'S ALREADY IN PLACE.
>> IT'S ALREADY IN PLACE, OKAY.
>> WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE BUFFERS. THE BUFFERS ARE COMPLICTED.
>> SO THEY WANTED A DEVELOPER AGREEMENT SO THAT THEY COULD INSURE ONE OF THE MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION WAS CONCERNED ABOUT CODE ENFORCEMENT IN THE SURROUNDING AREA, SO THEY WANTED A DA SO THAT THEY COULD ENSURE THAT THOSE CRITERIA WERE BEING MET.
>> YES. >> SORRY, CLARIFYING QUESTION. WERE YOU ABLE TO -- YOU MENTIONED THERE WAS AN ISSUE WITH THE
BUFFER. >> YES, WE WOULD HAVE TO PUT BUFFERS IN PLACE ON THE PS- 1 SIDE OF THE PROPERTY AND THEN ONTO THE FRONT ON 218. SO BASICALLY THE ENTIRE PROPERTY WILL BE NONVISIBLE.
>> THAT'S BASED ON OUR LANDSCAPE CODE AND THE CLAY HILL
OVERLAY. >> JENNY, CAN YOU CLARIFY FOR MEME GUESS THE INTENTION HERE.
YOU'RE SAYING IT'S SPOT ZONING.
CAN YOU DELVE INTO THAT A LITTLE BIT FURTHER FOR ME
PLEASE? >> SURE, I'D BE HAPPY TO.
SO WHEN WE LOOK AT THE PROPERTY THIS BB- 3 THEY'RE REQUESTINGTIST PREVIOUSLY BA-2. SO THERE'S A BA- 2 TO THE NORTH AND BA- 3 TO THE SOUTH. THERE ARE NO BB- 3S ANYWHERE IN THE VICINITY.
THERE ARE BBS. AND SO THAT'S WHY I SAID IT LOOKS LIKE SPOT ZONING, ALTHOUGH THE USES THERE ARE ACTING LIKE BB- 3S, THEY'RE NOT WHAT WE WOULDWOULD EITHER ONE OF THOSE, YES, MA'AM. DID THAT MAKE SENSE?
>> IT DOES. BUT IN PRACTICE THERE'S NOT TOO MUCH OF A DISTINCTION BETWEEN WHAT THEY WOULD BE DOING AND WHAT THE SURROUNDING PARCELS DO IS WHAT I'M UNDERSTANDING YOU'RE
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SAYING. >> THERE'S A SMALL DIFFERENCE AND BECAUSE WE'RE LIMITED IN CALLING OUT CODE ENFORCEMENT, IT'S COMPLAINT DRIVEN, SO GETTING THOSE PROPERTIES TO BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE ZONING CODE, IT'S NOT LIKELY, TO PUT IN BUFFERS AND THINGS THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE CLAY HILL OVERLAY. UNTIL THEY CHANGE OR DO SOMETHING, VACATE THE PROPERTY FOR SIX MONTHS OR MORE, WE DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO BRING THEM INTO CODE. DOES THAT MAKE
>> TWO QUESTIONS. WHAT USES DOES BB- 3 ALLOW THAT BB- 2 AND BA
DO NOT? >> BB ALLOWS FOR A LOT -- A LOT OF INTENSE USES. BB-3 ALLOWS FOR GAS STATIONS, MEDICAL TRANSPORT, AUCTION HOUSES, RENTAL OF AUTOMOBILES, RECREATION VEHICLES, TRAILERS, FARM TRACTORS, EQUIPMENT, ADULT ENTERTAINMENT, AND THEN THERE'S A SLEW OF CONDITIONAL USES.
BUT IT'S -- IT'S REALLY BODY SHOPS -- IT'S A MORE INTENSE USE, WHERE THE BA IS -- IS MUCH MORE PROFESSIONAL, PROFESSIONAL
MY SECOND QUESTION WAS WHEN WAS THE CLAY HILL OVERLAY
ENACTED? >> IN THE '90 S. 2003-ISH. EARLY 2000S.
>> SO, JENNY, WHAT I HEAR YOU SAYING IS YOU'RE A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT MAKING THE NEW APPLICANT ADHERE TO THE OVERLAY WHEN THERE'S A LOT OF OTHERS THAT ARE NOT? IS THAT WHAT I'M HEARING YOU
SAY? >> I'M NOT CONCERNED. I'M ASSURED THAT THIS APPLICANT WILL DO WHAT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE CLAY HILL OVERLAY. WE DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO BRING THE OTHER PROPERTIES INTO THAT STANDARD UNTIL SOMETHING CHANGES.
>> IT'S KIND OF AN INTERESTING OVERLAY CONSIDERING WHAT'S GOING ON.
IT'S KIND OF LIKE BEAUTIFUL FARM HOME, BUT THEN THERE'S ALL THIS BUSINESS HAPPENING. IT'S
INTERESTING. >> SO THE OTHER INTERESTING THING ABOUT THE CLAY HILL OVERLAY IS THAT THEY HAVE THE NICEST DOLLAR GENERAL IN THE WHOLE COUNTY BECAUSE OF THE OVERLAY. WE COULDN'T STOP IT, AND NOW EVERYBODY IN CLAY HILL SHOPS THERE, BUT -- I'M NOT KIDDING.
>> BUT IT SHOWS. IT SHOWS THATTHAT AESTHETIC STANDARDS CAN ELEVATE THAT
BUSINESS. >> I GUESS I FEEL -- I'LL KEEP MY COMMENTS TO THE
END. >> IT'LL BE THE MOST BEAUTIFUL TIRE SHOP IN THE SOUTH.
>> IT'LL BE NONVISIBLE WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE FRONT
GATE. >> ALL RIGHT, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT OR
STAFF? >> I HAVE A QUESTION, I'M SORRY.
SO THESE OTHER BUSINESSES, IS THIS IN EXISTENCE FOR A LONG TIME ALL AROUND YOU?
>> YES, ABSOLUTELY. IT'S NOT WHERE PEOPLE AT HOME DO BUSINESSES AND ALL THAT. SHE HAS TO DO THIS BUT THE OTHER PEOPLE AT HOME DOING BUSINESS THAT SHOULD BE DOING THIS, UNLESS THEY GET COMPLAINED ON, THEY GET TO GET AWAY WITH IT, WHICH ISN'T
FAIR. >> ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU.
I'LL CLOSE -- I MEAN, I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC
THANK YOU. >> IS THERE ANYONE WHO'D LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND BRING IT BACK FOR DISCUSSION AND ACTION. I WILL TELL YOU THAT I HAVE HAD ZERO CALLS ABOUT THIS REZONING, PARTE COMMUNICATION WITH THE CHAIRMAN OF THE CAC JUST ASKING WHAT THE CONVERSATION WAS THERE. I DO FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH THE FACT THAT SEVERAL, I GUESS, AUTHORS, IF YOU WILL, OR PARTICIPANTS IN THE CLAY HILL OVERLAY INITIALLY WERE INVOLVED, SO WE HAVE ONE
>> AND THEN ALSO THE CURRENT MEMBER OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION THE IDEA OF IT. SO I COMFORTABLE, AND I THINK IT'S A
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GOOD CHANGE FOR THE AREA. LIKE I SAID, THERE IS RESIDENTIAL ALONG 218 BUT THIS IS ALL THE COMMERCIAL , WHERE PEOPLE ARE LIVING ON 218 ALSO ZONED COMMERCIAL IS FURTHER OUT.>> SO JUST TO MAKE SURE FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION, IN CONNECTION WITH THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THAT WAS ASKED FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION, THAT RELATES TO TWO ITEMS WHICH IS THE OUTDOOR STORAGE OF TIRES BEING LIMITED TO THE REAR 100' OF THE PROPERTY AND THEN ALL OF THE TIRE STORAGE SHALL NOT BE STACKS TALLER THAN 6'. EVERYTHING ELSE, I BELIEVE THAT AFTER THE PLANNING COMMISSION WE'VE COME TO THE CONCLUSION THAT EITHER THE PLAY OVERLAY OR THE ACTUAL ZONING THAT THEY ARE REQUESTING, THE BB-3 WILL TAKE CARE OF COVER THE BUFFER AS WELL AS THE BARRIER. SO THAT DOES NOT NEED TO BE IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT BECAUSE IT IS COVERED BY THE CODE. IS THAT YOUR
UNDERSTANDING? >> IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE CORD COVERS THOSE THINGS. IT IS ALSO MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION WANTED SOME SURETY THAT THEY WOULD ADHERE TO THE CODE SO IF YOU FEEL THOSE TWO THINGS WERE SPECIFIC, WHICH THEY WERE, THE TIRES AND THE REAR OF THE
PROPERTY, I'M FINE. >> THOSE TWO ITEMS ARE CLEARLY NOT IN THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE CODE SO THAT WOULD BE , HAVE TO BE SOMETHING PUT FORTH IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THAT I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT HAS AGREED TO.
>> YES, I'M KIND OF , NOT REALLY INCLINED TO HOLD THEM TO A DIFFERENT STANDARD THAN ANYONE ELSE. TO ME THAT SUCCESSIVE SO I DON'T KNOW THAT I WANT TO DO THAT .
>> MADAM CHAIR, I COULD SEE MAKING SURE THAT IT'S ON THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY BUT THE WHOLE SIX-FOOT THING IS A 5 ACRE LOT. SO IF YOU WANT TO BE -- YOU WANT TO BE VISIBLE FROM THE ROAD SO I DON'T NECESSARILY FEEL INCLINED TO SAY YOU HAVE TO KEEP
THEM LESS THAN 6' . >> WE CAN MOVE TO THE BACK HALF OF THE PROPERTY THROUGH THE SITE PLAN THROUGH THE DRC PROCESS SO I DON'T THINK YOU NEED TO DEVELOP AN AGREEMENT FROM THAT
IF THAT IS YOUR CONCERN. >> YEAH, I JUST DON'T WANT TO HOLD THEM TO A DIFFERENT STANDARD. DON'T KNOW HOW WE
NEED TO WORD THAT. >> YOU WOULD JUST MOVE FORWARD WITH YOUR MOTION TO APPROVE THEIR REQUEST. THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WAS JUST DIRECTIVE BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION BUT YOU
DON'T HAVE TO INCLUDE THAT. >> OKAY. SO WOULD SOMEONE MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THEIR ZONING REQUEST?
>> MADAM CHAIR -- >> QUICKLY, SORRY. 40 -- FOR THE ORDINANCE ATTACHED TO THIS WE WILL NEED TO MAKE A SLIGHT CHANGE JUST FOR IT TO CONFORM TO THE ACTUAL ADVERTISEMENT THAT
WAS PUBLISHED. >> DOES THAT NEED TO BE IN A
MOTION? >> I JUST WANTED THAT FOR THE RECORD SO THAT YOU KNOW IT WILL BE CHANGED.
>> THAT ENSURE I'D LIKE TO MOVE APPROVAL OF ZONING 25 - 0019 .
>> ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. THOSE OPPOSED ? MOTION CARRIES 5
[33. Public Hearing for the purpose of considering entry into a Purchase and Sale Agreement for the purchase by the County of real property necessary for the Bonded Transportation Program, more particularly described as a portion of Tax Parcel No. 39-05-26-015113-008-16, and authorization for County Manager to execute all documents necessary to close the acquisition (C. Grimm/E. Dendor)]
- 0. THANK YOU JENNY. ITEM NUMBER 33, PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE PURPOSE OF CONSIDERNG ENTRY INTO A VICIOUS AND SALE AGREEMENT FOR THE PURCHASE BY THE COUNTY OF REAL PROPERTY NEEDED FOR THE BONDED TRANSPORTATION PROGRAM, AND I AM TOLD THIS IS THE LAST ONE BUT WE DON'T KNOW.>> THE TRANSPORTATION PROGRAM ADMINISTRATOR AND WE ARE ONE OF THE LAST OF THE ITEMS BEFORE YOU. ITEM 33 THE PROPERTY IS DESIGNATED AS PARCEL 617. THE PURCHASE IS NECESSARY FOR IMPLEMENTATION OF THE ROADWAY PROJECT, THE PROJECT IS ON A PORTION OF PROJECTS SIX A AND COUNTY ROAD EAST OF THE RAILROAD TRACKS. THIS ITEM INCLUDES A SIMPLE PURCHASE OF APPROXIMATELY 1900 FT.÷ RECTANGULAR IN SHAPE AND COMMERCIAL PROPERTY MEASUREMENT MEASURING 180' X 6' WIDE. PERPETUAL EASEMENT 440 FT.÷ AND A TEMPORARY CONSTRUCTION EASEMENT OF
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APPROXIMATELY 2800 FT.÷ , ODD SHAPED IF YOU WOULD. THE REQUEST REQUIRES A PUBLIC HEARING AND BOARD ACTION FOR APPROVAL FOR PURCHASE AND SALE AGREEMENT OF $39,850. AUTHORIZATION FOR THE COUNTY MANAGER TO EXECUTE ALL DOCUMENTS NECESSARY FOR THE CLOSING OF THE ACQUISITION. WITH THAT, MADAM CHAIR?>> ANY QUESTIONS FOR ED? SEEING NONE I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. IS THERE ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND BRING IT BACK FOR ACTION.
>> I WILL MOVE APPROVAL . >> SECOND.
>> MEMBER MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR INDICATE BY SAYING AYE. THOSE OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES 5 - 0. THANK YOU, ED.
[CONSENT AGENDA]
>> MOVING BACK IN OUR AGENDA I BELIEVE WE ARE AT THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS NUMBER SEVEN THROUGH 23 ARE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. ARE THERE ANY ITEMS ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO PULL FOR
DISCUSSION? >> I'D LIKE TO PULL ITEM 20.
>> ANYTHING ELSE? ALL RIGHT, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION .
>> I WILL SECOND. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR ITEMS NUMBER SEVEN THROUGH 23, MINUS ITEM NUMBER 20. IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR INDICATE BY
[20. County Insurance Premium for Property and Casualty Renewal (B. DiMaio)]
SAYING AYE. THOSE OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES 5 - 0. ITEM NUMBER 20. COUNTY INSURANCE PREMIUM FOR PROPERTY ANDCASUALTY RENEWAL. >> THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR.
>> I PULLED ITEM NUMBER 20 AND I'M GOING TO GO THROUGH A LITTLE EXPLANATION HERE. WHEN I WAS ON ORANGE PARK TOWN COUNCIL WE INSURED PNC THROUGH FLORIDA MUTUAL INSURANCE TRUST AND TODAY IT IS AN ORGANIZATION 'S BOND BY LEAGUE OF CITIES AND TODAY IT ENSURES ABOUT 300 CITIES OUT OF 400 HERE IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA. THEY HAVE SINCE EXPANDED THEIR REACH TO COUNTIES AND TODAY THEY ENSURE 22 COUNTIES AND I THINK THE CLOSEST ONE IS NASSAU COUNTY TO US. SO FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS I'VE BEEN TRYING TO GET THEM INTO THE MIX. IT'S A MUTUAL INSURANCE TRUST. WHAT THAT MEANS IS, IT IS NOT FOR PROFIT. SO THERE IS NO SHAREHOLDERS EXCEPT , WELL THERE IS NO SHAREHOLDERS. SO THEY WORK FOR LEAGUE OF CITIES. LIKE I SAID, I'VE BEEN TRYING TO GET THEM TO GIVE US A BID ON OUR PNC PROPERTY AND CASUALTY INSURANCE FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS AND FINALLY A MONTH AGO WE CONSUMMATED THAT EFFORT AND GOT AN INSURANCE PROPOSAL FROM THEM.
IN ANTICIPATION OF THIS BUDGET, WE HAD ANTICIPATED INSURANCE COST INCREASE AND TROY CAN TELL US WHAT THAT ANTICIPATED INCREASE WOULD HAVE BEEN. BUT WITH THE FMIT ESTIMATE INSURANCE COSTS CAME IN ABOUT 27% -- 20% LOWER THAN NORMAL AND THAT WAS GIVEN TO BROWN AND BROWN. WHENEVER YOU DEAL WITH DIFFERENT INSURANCE COMPANIES THEY HAVE DIFFERENT -- AND WE NEED TO NEGOTIATE BUT ANYWAY WHERE WE ARE AT TODAY IS BROWN AND BROWN CAME IN WITH ANOTHER ESTIMATE FROM EGIT WHICH IS ABOUT $17,000 LESS THAN FMIT WHICH IS ABOUT 20% LESS THAN WE HAD ANTICIPATED SO I AM REALLY QUESTIONING , QUITE HONESTLY I WILL BE BLUNT, I'M QUESTIONING WHETHER BROWN AND BROWN IS WORTH IT FOR SOMEBODY ELSE OR WORTH IT FOR US. I'M GOING TO PROPOSE-- AND THESE INSURANCE POLICY ENDS ON SEPTEMBER 30 SO WE'VE GOT 70S T FIGURE IT OUT AND I DON'T THINK IT'S VERY COMPLEX.
BUILDINGS, CARS, TOWERS, WORKMEN'S COMP. , THINGS LIKE THAT. I'M GOING TO PROPOSE THAT LIKE I SAID IT'S ABOUT $17,000 LESS AND FMIT WAS ABLE TO GIVE US WITHOUT A LOT OF NEGOTIATION . SO THIS LATE OF TIME I'M GOING TO RECOMMEND WE GO WITH
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THE BROWN & BROWN PROPOSAL BUT I'M ALSO GOING TO ASK THAT WE ASK STAFF TO LOOK AT OUR ASSOCIATION WITH BROWN & BROWN AND SEE IF WE CAN'T SWEETEN OUR RELATIONSHIP OR MAYBE CURTAIL OUR RELATIONSHIP WITH BROWN & BROWN BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT THE ONLY BROKER IN TOWN. THAT'S WHAT MY PROPOSAL IS TONIGHT.I'M NOT REAL HAPPY WITH WHERE WE ARE AT TONIGHT BUT WE ARE WHERE WE ARE AND WE CAN'T GO WITHOUT OUR ASSETS INSURED. LIKE I SAID I'M NOT HAPPY WITH THAT AT ALL SO THAT'S WHERE I AM PROPOSING A MOTION TO GO WITH BROWN & BROWN WITH THE CAVEAT THAT WE REVIEW THE RELATIONSHIP AND HOW WE CAN FIX THE RELATIONSHIP OR TERMINATE THE RELATIONSHIP.
>> MADAM CHAIR? COMMISSIONER I SECOND YOUR MOTION AND THE SECOND THING I WANT TO SAY IS THANKS FOR DIGGING DEEP. THIS IS A GOOD, GOOD CATCH ON YOUR PART. GREAT WORK. THE NEXT QUESTION I HAD IS IN YOUR EVALUATION DO YOU THINK THAT THE $17,000 QUOTE WAS APPLES TO APPLES WITH WHAT WE WERE GETTING?
>> IT'S HARD TO SAY. I DON'T THINK SO .
>> SO LIKE , THE CURRENT COAT -- QUOTE FROM BROWN & BROWN VERSUS
THE FMIT QUOTE ? >> BROWN & BROWN IS A BROKER AND PGIT IS THE INSURANCE PROVIDER SO THE AMOUNT THAT THEY HAD OFFERED, THE QUOTE THEY GIVE US COME A PGIT THROUGH BROWN & BROWN WAS $1,211,041 AND THEN THE QUOTE WE GOT FROM FMIT WAS
$1,228,194. $70,000 DIFFERENCE. >> IT JUST SEEMS AND PROPER THAT WE GET A LOW QUOTE AND THEN WE GET A $200,000 LOW QUOTE FROM
OUR CURRENT BROKER. >> NO DOUBT. I SPEAK FOR ALL OF US THAT WE WANT BEST AND FINAL UP FRONT. GOOD WORK.
>> I WOULD AGREE WITH THE SENTIMENTS AND I IMAGINE WE ALL WOULD . I THINK THAT IT MAY BE TIME TO EITHER GET A NEW BROKER OR DO ONE OF THE, I THINK THE FLORIDA ASSOCIATION OF COUNTIES HAS AN INSURANCE TRUST AS WELL THAT I KNOW DOES A LOT OF THE
SMALLER COUNTIES. >> I'M DISAPPOINTED IN BROWN & BROWN BECAUSE I AGREE WITH YOU AND I DON'T THINK THEY WERE WORKING FOR US UNTIL WE SAID WE COULD GET A BETTER RATE SOMEWHERE ELSE. AND O WAIT. I DON'T NECESSARILY THINK THAT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO FOR THE TAXPAYER BUT I AGREE WITH YOU.
WE HAVE SEVEN DAYS AND WE CAN'T CHANGE IN SEVEN DAYS.
>> WELL ACTUALLY WE COULD. THERE'S TOO MANY QUESTIONS IN
MY MIND TO RECOMMEND. >> IS IT AN ANNUAL CONTRACT?
>> THE CONTRACT WITH BROWN & BROWN IS NOT BUT THE INSURANCE
CONTRACT IS. >> THE BROWN AND BROWN BROKERAGE WE PUT IT OUT FOR A BID EARLIER THIS YEAR AND BROWN & BROWN WAS THE ONLY COMPANY THAT PUT IN FOR A BID .
>> THEY KNOW THIS HAVE THE CORNER ON THE STATE AND THEY
PRIDE THEMSELVES ON THAT. >> LIKE I SAID WHEN I WAS IN ORANGE PARK WE DIDN'T HAVE A BROKER.
>> ARE YOU FROM BROWN AND BROWN? >> GOOD AFTERNOON. I AM MOLLY WITH BROWN & BROWN. I JUST WANT TO SAY I'M DISAPPOINTED TO HEAR EVERYONE'S SENTIMENTS ON OUR COMPANY. WE BEEN THE COUNT IS BROKER FOR 20 YEARS AND AS BRIAN STATED THIS DID GO TO COMPETITIVE SOLICITATION EARLIER THIS YEAR AND THERE WERE NO OTHER RESPONDENTS. WE WORK WITH PREFERRED GOVERNMENTAL INSURANCE TRUST, THE COUNTY HAS BEEN A MEMBER FOR MANY YEARS. NOT EVERY LINE OF COVERAGE FOR EXAMPLE LAST YEAR WE DID A FULL MARKETING EFFORT. THERE WERE SOME LINES OF COVERAGE WITH OPEN MARKET CARRIERS FOR EXAMPLE ON THE PUBLIC OFFICIALS LIABILITY, AND WE ALSO LOOKED AT MOVING THE PROPERTY OUT OF PREFERRED AND INTO THE OPEN MARKET SPACE BECAUSE THE MARKET HAS BEEN SOFTENING REALLY QUICKLY WHICH IS GREAT FOR CONSUMERS. WE DID NOT SHARE ANY NUMBERS WITH ANY COMPETING CARRIERS. THE MARKET IS SIMPLY SOFT. ALL OF OUR COUNTIES WHICH WE CONTROL 27, 28 COUNTIES HAVE RECEIVED 10% - 20% DECREASES THIS YEAR. MOSTLY FROM PROPERTY BUT SOME FROM AUTO AND WORK COMP. OUR CONTRACT ALLOWS FOR ANY EVALUATION OF OUR PERFORMANCE AND I WOULD INVITE THE COUNTY TO PLEASE DO SO . I WASN'T AWARE THAT THERE WERE ANY ISSUES PRIOR TO TONIGHT . I HAVE A GREAT WORKING RELATIONSHIP WITH THE RISK TEAM AND THE HR TEAM AS WELL AS MISS
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GRIMM AND I'M JUST DISAPPOINTED TO HEAR JUST TONIGHT OF ALL THESE ISSUES. I DO WANT TO LET THE COMMISSIONERS KNOW THAT WE DID OPERATE WITH INTEGRITY AND WHAT IS BEING SAID IN THIS PUBLIC MEETING ABOUT OUR COMPANY IS NOT CORRECT.>> OKAY. >> I HAVE A QUESTION. IF THAT'S THE CASE, AND I AM JUST HEARING MORE DETAILS RIGHT HERE RIGHT NOW, WHAT I AM HEARING IS FMIT GIVE US A QUOTE AND I GUESS MY BIGGER QUESTION IS WAS THAT QUOTE APPLES TO APPLES OR WHATEVER CONVERSATION WAS HAD . IF THEY DID SAY WE CAN DO THIS SAME SERVICE FOR $17,000 CHEAPER WHY WOULD BROWN & BROWN NOT DO
THAT FROM THE GET-GO? >> WE BOTH QUOED THIS YEAR BASED ON THE INFORMATION THAT WE RECEIVED FROM THE COUNTY. I'M NOT SURE WHY FMIT DID NOT QUOTE THE SAME EXPOSURES. THEY MISSED QUITE A BIT OF PROPERTY WHICH OBVIOUSLY BROUGHT DOWN THEIR BE ABOUT $44,000 MORE IF THEY HAD QUOTED THE PROPERTY APPLES TO APPLES. WE WILL ALWAYS DO WHAT'S BEST FOR THE COUNTY.
FMIT FACT IS ALSO A PIECE OF THIS, IF THEY HAD QUOTED 100 GRAND LESS THAN WE DID THE RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE TO DO WHAT'S BEST FOR THE COUNTY AND ITS TAXPAYERS.
>> THE GOOD THING OF ALL OF THIS IS WE ARE WATCHING AND EVALUATING. SO GOOD JOB, COMMISSIONER.
>> AND I WOULD SAY IT'S ALL NEW TO US. WE CAN'T KNOW THAT COMMISSIONER RENNINGER WAS GOING TO PULL US WITH CONCERNS.
>> AND I JUST WANT TO RECOMMEND IF WE WERE TO LOOK AT THIS NEXT YEAR JUST MAKE SURE EVERYONE IS QUOTING APPLES TO APPLES TO KIND OF GIVE ENOUGH TIME. I KNOW WE WERE A LITTLE BIT RUSHING AND SO WAS FMIT TO GET THESE NUMBERS OUT SO GIVING ENOUGH TIME AND MAKING SURE EVERYONE HAS THE SAME INFORMATION MAKES THE
DECISION MUCH MORE SIMPLE. >> ANYONE ELSE?
>> THANK YOU. WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY HAVING TO RUSH A DEADLINE? I
AM MISSING THAT. >> WE WERE INTENDING TO BE AT THE SEPTEMBER 9 MEETING. I KNOW SOME OF THE INFORMATION WAS A LITTLE BIT DELAYED FOR EXAMPLE I KNOW THAT WE WERE WAITING ON PAYROLL FIGURES WITH EVERY ENTITY WE WORK WITH, THAT'S ALWAYS THE MOST DIFFICULT PART. TRYING TO FINISH UP APPLICATIONS. WE ACTUALLY HAVE THE EXCESS WORKERS COMP RINSE COMPENSATION THROUGH REACTS WHICH IS A WOMEN OWNED ENTERPRISE. MISS DEBORAH JEWETT HANDLES THAT PIECE OF THE INSURANCE SO WE WERE WAITING ON THAT PIECE TO FINALIZE OUR NUMBER AS WELL AS ENSURING THERE WAS GOING TO BE A QUOTE OPTION
BACK FROM FMIT. >> FOR MY BETTER UNDERSTANDING, I'M NOT REALLY FAMILIAR WITH THE COMPARISON PIECE BUT YOU WERE ABLE TO IDENTIFY THAT THERE WERE 34 PARCELS THAT HAD BEEN OMITTED FROM ONE OF THE EVALUATIONS. HOW WERE YOU ABLE TO ANALYZE THAT AND IS THERE A WAY FOR US TO REPLICATE THE
SAME? >> WE DID RECEIVE THE INFORMATION FROM FMIT WHICH IS I THINK AT THE CORE OF THE DISCUSSION TONIGHT, DID WE USE THAT TO GET TO OUR NUMBER? AND THE ANSWER TO THAT IS NO. IT AS THE COUNTY 'S CONTRACTOR CONSULTANT WE DO LOOK AT EVERY AVAILABLE OPTION, DO A COMPARISON AND GIVE THE COUNTY THE ABILITY TO LOOK AT EACH OPTION. OUR COVERAGE IS HIGHER? WAS ANYTHING EMITTED-- OMITTED? AND WHAT DOES THE PRICING LOOK LIKE? INSURANCE IS NOT A COMMODITY. AS THE COMMISSIONER STATED THERE'S A LOT THAT GOES INTO IT AS FAR AS COVERAGE DEDUCTIBLES AND EXPOSURES AS WELL IS THE COUNTY'S OWN RISK APPETITE. HOW MUCH ARE THEY WILLING TO PAY AND IS THERE ANY APPETITE FOR SELF-INSURANCE?
>> INTERESTING, THANK YOU. >> MAYBE THAT IS SOMETHING THAT HEATHER CAN HELP US TAKE A LOOK AT NEXT YEAR. WE KNOW THAT SHE IS OUR IMPARTIAL. THAT IS KIND OF HER ROLE AS THE COMMISSION AUDITOR SO MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING SHE COULD HELP WITH.
>> IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE YOU WOULD LIKE TO ASK OUR BROKER ? WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR INDICATE BY SAYING I. I. THOSE OPPOSED?
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MOTION CARRIES 5 - 0. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER.>> WE ARE NOW TO OUR DISCUSSION UP DATES AND THIS IS ITEM NUMBER 24. 218 MEDIUM BREAK CHANGE , RICHARD AND JOSH.
>> GOOD EVENING BOARD AND CHAIR. TRANSPORTATION-- ADMINISTRATOR.
IT WAS BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION THAT THERE HAS BEEN SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT MEDIUM BRAKES ON COUNTY 218 WHICH IS PROJECT
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NUMBER ONE AND TO FOSTER THE DISCUSSION THIS EVENING WITH ME IS JOSS WITH WG I. PROJECT MANAGER AND OF COURSE RICHARD SMITH OUR COUNTY ENGINEER . TO FURTHER FOSTER THIS DISCUSSION WE WENT AHEAD AND PUT TOGETHER A POWERPOINT PRESENTATION TO KIND OF HELP LAY OUT THE DISCUSSION. SO AT THIS TIME I'D REALLY LIKE TO TURN THE FLOOR OVER TO JOSH FOR SOME OF THESE SLIDES.>> JOHN, YOU WILL NOT SEE YOUR PARCEL ON THIS PRESENTATION BECAUSE I JUST GOT YOUR MESSAGE THIS AFTERNOON. I WAS WITH THEM AT 3:00 O'CLOCK WHICH IS WHY I DIDN'T CALL YOU BACK BUT WE TALKED ABOUT YOUR PARCEL AS WELL SO I THINK, TWO OF YOUR PARCELS WILL NOT BE ON THIS PRESENTATION BUT THEY CAN DISCUSS, THEY CAN PULL IT UP ON THE MAP. SO, SORRY ABOUT THAT.
>> THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING, I AM JOSH MADDOX WITH WG I, THE BONDED TRANSPORTATION OWNERS REPRESENTATIVE. AS ED SAID SOME OF THE OPENINGS WERE BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION SO WE PUT A LITTLE SLIDESHOW TOGETHER TO KIND OF GO OVER SOME OF THE DECISIONS THAT WERE MADE AND ALSO HAVE A FEW OPTIONS TO CONSIDER. WITH THAT, I JUST WANT TO GO OVER A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF THE PROCESS THAT WE GO THROUGH WHEN WE DEVELOP CONSTRUCTION PLANS FOR PROJECTS LIKE THIS. FIRST OF ALL OF COURSE THE PROJECT IDENTIFIES WHAT ROADWAY IS PROPOSED WHETHER IT'S NEW OR WIDENING. WE ASSESS THE FUNCTION, THE SPEED, THE VOLUME AND THE SAFETY OF THE TYPE OF FACILITY NEEDED OUT THERE BASED ON PROJECTED TRAFFIC VOLUMES. APPLY STATE AND LOCAL CODE STANDARDS, EVALUATE THE RIGHT OF WAY AND THEN WE DEVELOP PLANS WHICH INCLUDE DRIVEWAY AND MEDIAN OPENING LOCATIONS AND THOSE ARE LIMITED BASED ON CRITERIA. THEN WE SOLICIT PUBLIC INPUT AND MAKE ADJUSTMENTS AS NECESSARY AND THEN WE FINALIZE THE PLANS AND THE LAST STEP IS CONSTRUCTION. IN A NUTSHELL THAT'S KIND OF THE OVERVIEW OF IT. WE ARE CURRENTLY IN THE CONSTRUCTION PHASE . ON THE EXT SLIDE, ACCESS MANAGEMENT GUIDELINES THAT WE FOLLOW ARE PROVIDED BY THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION LOCAL CODES IF THERE ARE ANY, AND RULES. THE MEDIAN LOCATIONS ARE DETERMINED BY EVALUATING THE ENTIRE CORRIDOR AND WE START WITH MAJOR SIDESTREETS FIRST BECAUSE THOSE ARE LIKE THE ANCHORS. THERE'S GOING TO BE FULL MEDIAN OPENINGS USUALLY AT THE SIDE STREET LOCATIONS AND THEN WE MOVED TO THE NEXT STEP WHICH WOULD BE THE MAJOR TRIP GENERATORS WHICH ARE TYPICALLY PARCELS OR PROPERTIES THAT GENERATE GREATER THAN 400 TO 600 VEHICLES PER DAY. THE RESULT IS A SAFER AND MORE EFFICIENT ROADWAY THAT BALANCES ACCESSIBILITY AND MOBILITY. SO AS YOU CAN SEE ON THIS SLIDE THE IMPORTANCE OF ACCESS MANAGEMENT IS THAT IT INCREASES ROADWAY CAPACITY, SHORTENS TRAVEL TIME AND REDUCES CONFLICT POINTS. ON THE FAR RIGHT GRAPHIC YOU CAN SEE THAT IS SHOWING BASICALLY THE LITTLE GREEN AREA IS THE DIVIDED SECTION OF THE ROADWAY AND THEN TWO LANES GOING ONE DIRECTION AND DOESN'T SHOW THE OTHER DIRECTION ON THAT SLIDE.
BUT YOU CAN SEE THE RED DOTS ARE THE POTENTIAL CONFLICT LANES AND THE BIKE LANE IS NEXT TO THE CAR IN THE GREEN. SO THOSE ARE THE POTENTIAL CONFLICT POINTS WHEN YOU HAVE A MEDIAN SEPARATOR. AND THEN THE GRAPHIC TO THE LEFT OF IT SHOWS IF YOU HAVE A TWO-WAY LEFT TURN LANE HOW MANY ADDITIONAL CONFLICTS ARE INTRODUCED WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE A MEDIAN? ALL OF THOSE CONFLICT POINTS ARE SAFETY CONCERNS. IT'S ALSO INTERESTING, OR I NEED TO POINT OUT THAT THE TRAFFIC CONTROL FEATURES AND DEVICES THAT ARE IN THE RIGHT-OF-WAY SUCH AS MEDIAN OPENINGS AND TURN LANES ARE OPERATIONAL AND SAFETY CHARACTERISTICS OF THE HIGHWAY SYSTEM AND NOT NECESSARILY MEANS OF ACCESS. WHAT I MEAN BY THAT IS WHEN THERE IS A MEDIAN OPENING THAT IS PROVIDED IN THE PUBLIC RIGHT-OF-WAY IT DOES NOT , IT IS NOT NECESSARILY PROVIDING ACCESS TO THE ACTUAL DRIVEWAY THAT IT'S AT IF THAT MAKES SENSE. IT'S PROVIDING ACCESS TO THE PUBLIC RIGHT-OF-WAY ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ROAD SO IF YOU ARE ON ONE SIDE AND YOU NEED TO ACCESS SOMETHING ON THE OTHER SIDE THE OPENING IS THERE FOR YOU TO ACCESS WHETHER IT'S AT THAT ACTUAL LOCATION WHERE THE
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OPENING IS OR IF IT'S SOMEWHERE BEYOND THAT LOCATION. SO FOR INSTANCE A U-TURN SO YOU CAN GO BACK AND ACCESS THAT PROPERTY.THE AREA THAT WAS BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION RIGHT HERE, AND I KNOW THIS IS KIND OF A BUSY DRAFT GRAPHIC BUT THE OVERVIEW IS TO SHOW THE STREET ON THE LEFT IS DOLPHIN AND THE STREET ON THE FAR RIGHT IS ASTOR. THAT'S 2600' BETWEEN THE TWO SO ROUGHLY HALF A MILE. THOSE ARE TWO ANCHOR POINTS WHERE WE HAVE THE FULL MEDIAN ACCESS OPENING. THE FLORIDA STATUTES INDICATE THAT ANY FACILITY LIKE THIS WITH THIS ACCESS MANAGEMENT CLASSIFICATION, THIS IS ACCESS MANAGEMENT CLASS FIVE YOU ARE ALLOWED ONE FULL OPENING EVERY 1300' . SO RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE IS WHERE WE PROVIDED THE FIRST OPENING AND THERE'S A LEFT TURN LANE APPROACHING THAT CENTERPIECE. BEYOND THAT WE TRY TO ACCOMMODATE AS MANY ACCESS POINTS AS WE CAN WITH USING THE ACCESS MANAGEMENT CRITERIA AND ALSO DESIGN SPEEDS, DECELERATION REQUIREMENTS FOR, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A PROPER DISTANCE FOR VEHICLES TO GET OUT OF THE THROUGH LANE INTO THE TURN LANE AND BE ABLE TO STOP WITH A BUFFER FOR POTENTIALLY CUED VEHICLES STOPPED THERE ALSO. THAT IS ALL TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION WHEN YOU ARE TRYING TO PROVIDE AS MANY MEDIAN OPENINGS AS YOU CAN IN THAT DISTANCE. IF THAT IS THE HALFWAY POINT , THAT IS 1300' AND DOESN'T LEAVE A LOT OF AVAILABLE REAL ESTATE TO OPEN MEDIANS AND STILL GENERATE ENOUGH DECELERATION LIKE FOR VEHICLES TO SAFELY GET INTO THE TURN LANE AND SLOW DOWN WHILE KEEPING IT ALSO A RAISED MEDIAN FOR THE CORRIDOR IN ORDER TO MINIMIZE THOSE CONFLICT POINTS THAT WE SAW IN THE PREVIOUS SLIDE. SO WE WILL FOCUS ON THE LITTLE BOX THAT GOES AROUND HERE ON THE NEXT SLIDE. WE ARE GOING TO FOCUS ON THE LITTLE BOX THAT'S THEIR AND IT IS JUST TO THE EAST OF DOLPHIN AVENUE. THIS IS WHAT IS IN THE CURRENT PLAN AND WE ARE CONSIDERING THIS OPTION ONE WHICH WOULD BE NO CHANGE. YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE DIRECTIONAL MEDIANS ARE AND THEN WE HAVE THE FULL MEDIAN WHICH IS THE HALFWAY POINT BETWEEN DOLPHIN AND ASTOR. CURRENTLY YOU WOULD BE ALLOWED IF YOU ARE GOING EASTBOUND FROM CLAY HILL TOWARD MIDDLEBURG YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO MAKE A U-TURN HERE AND THEN ACCESS ANY OF THE PROPERTIES ON THE NORTH SIDE IN THIS PICTURE. AND THEN SAME THING IF YOU ARE COMING FROM MIDDLEBURG HEADING TOWARDS CLAY HILL , FROM RIGHT TO LEFT YOU CAN ACCESS THE PROPERTIES ON THE SOUTH SIDE WHICH IS THE BOTTOM PART OF THE SCREEN BY MAKING A U-TURN AT ONE OF THESE OTHER ACCESS POINTS. THESE ACCESS POINTS WERE PLACED BASED ON SAFE DECELERATION DISTANCE FOR VEHICLES SO I THINK FOR 45 MILES AN HOUR IT'S 245' IF I AM NOT MISTAKEN. 185' FOR DECELERATION AND THEN YOU HAVE ACCOMMODATION FOR TWO VEHICLES AND THAT'S FROM THE START OF THE TAPER AT THE TOP OF THE GREEN RAISED MEDIAN AREA TO WHERE THE ARROW IS POINTING DOWN TOWARD THE DIRECTIONAL OPENING IT'S ABOUT 245'. AND THEN YOU CAN SEE AS SOON AS WE ARE ABLE TO GENERATE THAT AMOUNT THAT DISTANCE THEN WE OPEN UP ANOTHER MEDIAN AS SOON AS WE CAN RIGHT AFTER THAT TO TRY TO ACCOMMODATE AS MUCH ACCESS AS WE CAN WITHOUT INCREASING THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF CONFLICT POINTS LIKE WE SAW ON THE PREVIOUS SLIDE WITH ALL TH RED DOTS. THAT IS HOW WE DETERMINE WHERE THE MEDIAN OPENINGS WERE AND IT'S REALLY A FUNCTION OF HOW FAST CAN WE GET THE CARS OUT OF THE LANE AND STOPPED AND WHERE DOES IT PUT US? JUST TO THE LEFT OFF THE SCREEN IS ABOUT 400' TO THE LEFT IS DOLPHIN AVENUE . THAT IS THE NO CHANGE OPTION. THAT IS STICKING WITH WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW. THERE ARE NO SCHEDULE IMPACTS. IT'S UNDER CONSTRUCTION RIGHT NOW SO ANY CHANGES NOW
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WILL REQUIRE SOME CHANGES TO THE CONTRACT COST AND TIME ALSO.OPTION TWO IS TO ADD A MEDIAN OPENING AT THE PARCEL SHADED YELLOW . THERE'S A COUPLE OF MINOR ISSUES WITH THAT . ONE IS SCHEDULE DELAYS AND ADDITIONAL COSTS, ADDING A NEW MEDIAN OPENING WILL ALSO INCREASE MORE CONFLICT POINTS OR ADD MORE CONFLICT POINTS TO THE PROJECT. WE WOULD HAVE TO REDUCE DESIGN SPEED TO 45 MILES AN HOUR IN ORDER TO MEET THE DECELERATION REQUIREMENTS. BY ADDING THAT TURN LANE THAT SHORTENS THE DECELERATION FOR THE NEXT , THE MIDDLE OPENING BECAUSE WE ARE REMOVING SOME OF THAT MEDIAN. IT GOES FROM 245' DOWN TO 195'.
AND THAT IS JUST A FUNCTION OF THE SPACE WE ARE GIVEN. WE WOULD HAVE TO REDUCE THE SPEED TO 35 MILES AN HOUR IN ORDER TO MEET THE DECELERATION LENGTH REQUIREMENTS. IT WOULD ALSO ELIMINATE THE EASTBOUND LEFT TURN LANE THAT I SET AT THE FULL MEDIAN OPENING WE HAD A LEFT TURN LANE FOR BOTH DIRECTIONS WHERE YOU COULD ACTUALLY MAKE A U-TURN COMING FROM MIDDLEBURG OR COMING FROM CLAY HILL. YOU CAN ACTUALLY MAKE A U-TURN AT THE FULL MEDIAN OPENING. IF YOU'RE COMING FROM CLAY HILL YOU WOULD NOT HAVE A DEDICATED TURN LANE TO GET INTO THAT AND MAKE THE U-TURN SO YOU WOULD HAVE TO GO ANOTHER 1300' IN ORDER TO MAKE A U-TURN IF YOU WANTED TO GO BACK TOWARDS CLAY HILL. THIS OPTION ELIMINATES ONE OF THE LEFT TURN LANES, THE ABILITY TO MAKE A U-TURN AT THE FULL MEDIAN OPENING WHICH IS WHY IT WAS PLACED THERE AND THEN IT WOULD ALSO REQUIRE A DESIGN SPEED CHANGE. ON OPTION THREE , PRETTY MUCH THE SAME IMPACTS AS OPTION TWO BUT DOES NOT INCREASE THE CONFLICT POINTS OR REQUIRED DESIGN SPEED CHANGE. ESSENTIALLY WHAT WE WOULD BE DOING IS CLOSING-- YOU SAY CLOSE THE ONE MEDIAN AND OPEN ONE UP A LITTLE CLOSER TO THE FULL MEDIAN OPENING. AGAIN YOU LOSE YOUR EASTBOUND LEFT TURN LANE TO HERE YOU CAN MAKE A DON'T HAVE TO REDUCE THE DESIGN SPEED ON THIS BECAUSE WE ARE ABLE TO, WE HAVE MORE MEDIAN SO NOW WE CAN GENERATE ENOUGH STOPPING SITE DISTANCE FOR DECELERATION. BUT THE OTHER DOWNSIDE IS YOU LOSE THE FLEXIBILITY OF THE FULL MEDIAN OPENING IN THE MIDDLE BETWEEN DOLPHIN AND ASTOR. AND THEN THE FOURTH OPTION THAT WE HAVE DISCUSSED IS THE ACCESS CLASSIFICATION WHICH WOULD OFFER A FULL OPENING. THIS AREA IS IN BETWEEN AND ACCESS MANAGEMENT CLASSIFICATION BETWEEN FOUR AND FIVE BASED ON THE FUNCTIONALITY OF THE CORRIDOR AND WHAT'S GOING ON AROUND IT . SUBURBAN RESIDENTIAL AND SUBURBAN COMMERCIAL KIND OF ALL IN THAT AREA. BOTH ACCESS MANAGEMENT CLASSIFICATIONS QUALIFY FOR THAT SAME CATEGORY . THE DIFFERENCE IS, THE MORE DEVELOPMENT THAT YOU HAVE , THERE'S KIND OF A HAPPY MEDIUM WHERE YOU ARE GOING TO WANT TO I GUESS, ESSENTIALLY IT WILL BE FUNCTIONALLY OBSOLETE IN THE FUTURE BECAUSE YOU WILL HAVE ENOUGH VEHICLES AND ENOUGH TRAFFIC AS THE DEVELOPMENT CONTINUES THAT IT WOULD REQUIRE SOME TYPE OF TRAFFIC CALMING DEVICES SUCH AS MEDIANS OR SOME WAY TO MANAGE THE ACCESS ALONG THE ROAD. THE CORRIDOR IS PRIMARILY FOR MOVING VEHICLES AND PEOPLE FROM POINT A TO POINT B AND THEN ALSO SOME PLACES IN BETWEEN. BUT IS REALLY TO GET PEOPLE FROM HOME TO WORK AND HOME. THAT'S WHAT THIS TYPE OF CORRIDOR IS FOR. SO REDUCING THE DESIGN SPEED AND OPENING THE MEDIAN DOESN'T HELP WITH THE LEVEL OF SERVICE THAT WILL PROBABLY BE NEEDED IN THE FUTURE
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MEANING IT WILL PROBABLY WORK NOW BUT IN THE FUTURE YOU WILL PROBABLY HAVE TO -- IT WILL NOT BE FUNCTIONING AS WELL AS IT WOULD HAVE IF YOU HAD ACCESS MANAGEMENT. YOU WOULD GET MORE THROUGH TRAFFIC MOVING THROUGH THE CORRIDOR AT ONE TIME. SO JUST WANTED TO GIVE THE BOARD AN OPPORTUNITY TO UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS THAT WE WENT THROUGH WHEN WE DEVELOPED THE OPENINGS AND WHY THEY ARE THERE, WHERE THEY ARE AT, UNDERSTND CONCERNS FROM CITIZENS AND OFFER SOME POTENTIAL SOLUTIONS OR OPPORTUNITIES TO DISCUSS . BUT AS I SAID, THE PROJECT ISCURRENTLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION. >> I WILL ADD THE OWNER OF THE YELLOW PARCEL, I DID SPEAK WITH HER TODAY. SHE HAS SEVEN BUSINESSES BUT WAS HEADED OUT OF TOWN SO SHE COULD NOT BE HERE TONIGHT. MISS WHITLEY. BUT I SPOKE WITH HER THIS MORNING.'S BEING A OF COURSE IT'S HARD FOR US TO KNOW ANYTHING IF WE DON'T KNOW THE COST SO HOW DO WE EVEN DISCUSS IT? I DON'T EVEN KNOW.
>> DEPENDING ON THE OPTION, I MEAN, IT COULD BE , AND ALSO DEPENDS WHAT THE CONTRACTOR HAS OUT THERE, HOW MUCH HE MAY HAVE TO REWORK. BUT AT THIS STAGE IT COULD RANGE ANYWHERE FROM $50,000-$100,000, TO $100,000-$200,000. IT DEPENDS ON WHAT OPTION WE WENT WITH. AS FAR AS CONSTRUCTION, THE BIGGEST PART IS POTENTIAL DELAYS THAT THE CONTRACTOR MAY FACE IF WE ARE MAKING A CHANGE RIGHT NOW. I THINK THAT'S WERE THE LARGER BULK OF THE COST WOULD PROBABLY COME FROM.
>> I THINK THE COST COMPARISON, AND WE JUST HAD A HIGH-LEVEL DISCUSSION THE LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS ON THESE OPTIONS.
OBVIOUSLY OPTION NUMBER ONE, DO NOTHING AND MAKE NO CHANGES.
OPTIONS TWO AND THREE WOULD BE SIMILAR IN PRICE AND PROBABLY LOWER. THE MORE EXPENSIVE OPTION WOULD BE GETTING RID OF THE MEDIAN. BOTH NOW AND CURRENT COSTS AND ALSO THE FUTURE COSTS WHERE YOU HAVE TO COME BACK IN AND PUT THOSE MEDIAN BREAKS IN AT A LATER DATE. WITH THAT, THE LAST OPTION IS THE MOST, CALL IT, AGGRESSIVE CHANGE TO THE EXISTING PLAN WHICH WE WOULD STILL HAVE TO LOOK AT IT AGAIN THAT'S WHY WE CAN'T REALLY GIVE YOU A COST. DOES IT AFFECT THE CURRENT PERMIT? WOULD HAVE TO DO A PERMIT MODIFICATION BECAUSE NOW YOU ARE PUTTING IN MORE IMPERVIOUS SERVICE BUT AGAIN IT IS NOT OUR CALL.
THAT'S THE CALL OF THE REGULATOR IF WE HAVE TO HAVE A PERMIT MODIFICATION OR MAYBE INCREASE TO A PAWN SITE WHICH THEY ARE CURRENTLY BUILT AND THE LAST ONE WHICH IS BEHIND THE LIBRARY IS WHEN THIS STORM WATER WOULD--.
>> MISTER RENNINGER ? >> I DON'T KNOW WHERE I SAW IT AT 600 VEHICLES A DAY, WHERE WAS THAT CRITERIA?
>> THAT'S WHAT IS CONSIDERED A MAJOR TRIP GENERATOR. YOU START WITH THE ANCHORS FOR THE MEDIAN OPENINGS AT THE SIDE STREET LOCATIONS WHERE YOU HAVE YOUR FULL MEDIAN OPENING AND THEN MAJOR TRIP GENERATORS , 400, 500, 600 VEHICLES A DAY OR GREATER IS ANOTHER LOCATION WHERE YOU START TO FOCUS WHERE A MEDIAN ACCESS OR OPENING WOULD POTENTIALLY BE NEEDED AND THEN YOU KIND OF MOVE DOWN FROM THERE BUT THOSE ARE LIKE THE BOOKENDS.
>> 600 VEHICLES PER DAY, THAT WOULD BE A LARGE SUBDIVISION? A
WALMART? >> MAYBE NOT QUITE AS BIG AS A
WALMART BUT A GROCERY STORE. >> DOLLAR GENERAL?
>> THAT WOULD BE PROBABLY IN THE 100 TO 200.
>> THE TRAFFIC ENGINEERING'S STUDY BOOK GIVES US THE CRITERIA FOR RESIDENTIAL. 10 TRIPS PER DAY FOR HOUSEHOLD SO IF IT WAS A 60 - UNIT APARTMENT COMPLEX OR A 60 - LOT SUBDIVISION THAT WOULD TIP THE SCALES. WE HAVE A LOCAL ORDINANCE IN OUR CODE THAT REQUIRES A LEFT TURN LANE IF YOU GENERATE 500 LEFT TURN TRIPS A DAY OR MORE . THAT'S WHY THE DEVELOPERS DO A REALLY GOOD JOB OF BUILDING 49 - LOT SUBDIVISIONS. SO THAT ONE HOUSE , THE ONE RESIDENTIAL LOT WOULD CLIP THE DEAL. YOU DO IT BY
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SQUARE FOOTAGE OF BUILDING USE. SQUARE FOOTAGE ON A RETAIL CENTER WOULD BE SQUARE FOOTAGE ON AN OFFICE BUILDING. ORCHARD GENERATION ON A 10,000 FOOT RETAIL WOULD BE MORE THAN A 10,000 SQUARE-FOOT OFFICE. MY ESTIMATE FOR 600 WOULD BE PROBABLY A 10,000 FT.÷ RETAIL BUILDING. THAT REQUIRES ABOUT 100 PARKING SPACES AND WOULD GENERATE 500 - 600 TRIPS A DAY IF YOU WERE LOOKING AT RETAIL. IF YOU LOOK AT OTHER BUSINESSES LIKE REAL ESTATE OFFICE OR AN ENGINEER'S OFFICE THAT IS PRETTY MUCH EMPLOYEES COMING IN AND OUT AND AN OCCASIONAL CUSTOMER. AND AUTOMOTIVE DEALERSHIP WOULD BE PROBABLY MORE THAN AN AUTOMOTIVE REPAIR SHOP. WE HAVE TABLES FOR ALL OF THOSE AND IF WE CHOOSE TO GO FORWARD WITH THIS AND STUDY IT FURTHER I WILL HAVE MORE INFORMATION FOR YOU.>> HOW FAST DO WE NEED TO DO THIS?
>> QUICKLY. >> STEVE IS KEEPING ME INFORMED,
OUR FIELD MANAGER OUT THERE. >> CURRENTLY ANDERSON COLUMBIA IS THE CONTRACTOR AND TYPICALLY WEEKLY , THE CURB IS CURRENTLY ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE ROAD. THEY'VE GOT SUB BASE AND BASE MATERIAL ALREADY IN THIS AREA. THE QUESTION IS HOW QUICKLY WILL THE MEDIAN CURB GO IN AND WE'D SAY PROBABLY WITHIN THE NEXT COUPLE , FEW WEEKS. ANDERSON COLUMBIA IS VERY ACTIVE IN THAT AREA AND STARTED WEST AND ARE WORKING THEIR WAY EAST. THIS IS RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF ESSENTIALLY THE PROJECT AND THERE'S A LOT OF ACTIVITY GOING ON THERE.
>> WE'VE HAD OUR ISSUES, CORRECT?
>> YES. >> ONE OF THE QUESTIONS. IS THERE OTHER AREAS THAT ARE GOING TO SAY WE NEED THIS AS WELL?
>> THERE'S ONE ANOTHER AND THOSE ARE TWO OF THE GENTLEMAN THAT CAME TONIGHT. I WOULD LIKE TO LOOK AT OPTION FOUR WHICH WAS THE OPENING, THERE'S TWO AREAS IN THE HOLE 2600 OR HOWEVER MANY FEET THAT I THINK WILL BE AN ISSUE AND WHAT WE WERE ABLE TO DO ON COUNTY ROAD 218. NOT THAT I DON'T CARE ABOUT THE ONE THAT WAS IN YELLOW, I DO, THEY HAVE SEMI'S THAT NEED TO TURN LEFT INTO THAT AND I HAD HEARD FROM ONE OF THE TENANTS OF ONE OF THAT, WE HAD TALKED ABOUT STORM WATER. I WENT OUT THERE IN A TORRENTIAL RAINSTORM AND THEY GET DELIVERIES BY SEMI TRUCKS AND THEIR CONCERN ABOUT TURNING LEFT AND HAVING TO TAKE UP ALL FOUR LANES OF IT TO TURN THROUGH A MEDIAN IS A REAL CONCERN. I WAS HOPING MAYBE WE COULD TAKE A LOOK AT OPTION FOUR IN BOTH OF THOSE AREAS THAT KIND OF MATCH EACH OTHER AND THEY ARE BOTH ON EITHER SIDE OF DOLPHIN. YOU ARE JUST WEST OF DOLPHIN, CORRECT? AND YOU HAVE THE TWO PARCELS THAT ARE BESIDE EACH OTHER. -- I'M SORRY. I'M TALKING TO THE WRONG PEOPLE I APOLOGIZE.
>> I WROTE YOUR NAME DOWN WRONG. ANYWAY YOUR PARCELS ARE BESIDE EACH OTHER? AND YOU HAVE THAT CIRCULAR IN THE MIDDLE WHERE THE PARKING IS WITH YOUR TWO DRIVEWAYS? OKAY. THAT IS WHERE THE DISTILLERY IS AND HE GETS , THEY CALLED ME. THEY GET SEMI
LOADS OF CORN AND SUGAR. >> THEY ARE THERE FOR MULTIPLE
TIMES. >> I THINK THOSE ARE THE ONLY TWO AREAS. NO ONE ON THE NORTH SIDE OF 218 HAS CALLED, NONE OF THE BUSINESS OWNERS AS I TOLD YOU AT THE LAST MEETING THERE WA A PETITION THAT 50 PEOPLE HAVE SIGNED BUT I HAVEN'T HEARD FROM ANY OF THOSE BUSINESS OWNERS AND I'VE PUT MY NUMBER OUT THERE , THESE PEOPLE HAVE PUT MY NUMBER OUT THERE AND ENCOURAGED PEOPLE TO CALL AND IT'S REALLY THE SEVEN BUSINESSES IN THE ONE LOCATION THAT WAS A YELLOW PARCEL AND THESE OTHER TENANTS THAT ARE A REAL CONCERN FOR BUSINESS CONTINUITY IN THE CURRENT DESIGN. AND I WILL ADD FOR MY
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FELLOW COMMISSIONERS, WE TALK ABOUT PUBLIC MEETINGS AND BECAUSE WE HAD ISSUES WITH ANDERSON COLUMBIA AND THIS ORIGINAL CONTRACT , I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ARE ON THE COMMISSION YET COMMISSIONER COMPERE OR COMMISSIONER SGROMOLO, BUT THE COMMISSIONER CONTRACT FOR THIS , THIS WAS THE FIRST OF THE BONDED TRANSPORTATION ROADS AND THEY BID AND PRICES STARTED GOING UP AFTER COVID AND ANDERSON COLUMBIA DIDN'T WANT TO HONOR THAT CONTRACT SO WE HAD TO CANCEL IT WITH A LITTLE BIT OF CONTENTION AND WE REBID AND THEY WON THE CONTRACT AGAIN SO THE PUBLIC MEETINGS WERE A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO ON THIS. I'M NOT SURE ALL OF THESE BUSINESSES WERE IN BUSINESS AT THAT TIME WHEN THE PUBLIC MEETINGS WERE HAPPENING SO I FEEL LIKE IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT IN THAT BUT WE DO WANT THE PUBLIC TO KNOW THAT THIS IS WHY THESE MEETINGS ARE CRITICAL. NO OFFENSE TO YOU ALL. MY THOUGHTS ARE THAT WE WOULD EXPLORE OPTION FOUR FROM A COST AND TIME STANDPOINT.>> WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO WITH THE CONTRACTOR?
>> WHAT I WOULD NOT RECOMMEND IS GOING TO THE CONTRACTOR AND SAY PULL US OUT BECAUSE IT COULD BE ANYWHERE BETWEEN FIVE AND $20,000 A DAY OR NOW YOU HAVE INEFFICIENCIES. LET THEM CONTINUE. WE CAN TRY IF I AM HEARING THE BOARD CORRECTLY WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT THE CURRENT LOCATION WE JUST DISCUSSED FURTHER WEST WHERE THE PROPERTY HAS TO BRING BACK, IF WE COULD TRY TO BRING IT BACK HERE ARE THE OPTIONS AND THE COST AS FAR AS WHAT THE IMPACTS ARE AS FAR AS SCHEDULE AND PERMITTING. THIS IS AN IMPERMEABLE SURFACE AND WE'D HAVE TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION WITH THE CONTRACTOR ALSO. IF WE CAN GET AN IDEA OF WHAT OUR CONTRACTOR IS , I'M SURE THAT'S WHY IT MAY TAKE A LITTLE WHILE. IF HE SAYS I CAN'T GET YOU THOSE PRICES NOW, IT WILL BE A DANCE WITH THE CONTRACTOR TO ASK FOR PRICING IMPACT SCHEDULE TIME AND THERE'S A POTENTIAL WE COULD GET A QUICK TURNAROUND. IT IF I AM HEARING YOU RIGHT , THAT WOULD BE GO OR NO GO. ALL FUNDING IS ALLOCATED SO IT'S , IF WE NEEDED TO DO SOMETHING THERE WE CAN GO TO THE BOARD FOR
THAT DIRECTION AS WELL. >> IN THE MEANTIME --
>> IT'S LINEAR AND MAY BE A LITTLE BIT OF REWORK BUT WOULD NOT BE THAT MUCH. WHAT I DON'T WANT TO DO IS TELL THEM TO HOLD OFF AND WE END UP WITH $800,000 FOR THIS ONE SECTION AND THEN YOU LOOK AT 1,000,000 1/2 AND SAY WE DON'T WANT TO DO THIS.
LET'S CONTINUE TO ROCK ON AND NOW I HAVE TO PAY A $30,000 CLAIM. THEY WILL CHARGE US FOR THAT INEFFICIENCY.
>> THEY ARE GOING TO ALL BE NERVOUS WATCHING WHAT'S
HAPPENING OUT THERE. >> WE TRY TO REACT AS QUICK AS
WE COULD. >> THERE WAS NO PREMONITION OF
THIS. >> I PUT THIS TOGETHER LAST NIGHT AT 2:00 O'CLOCK. THAT'S ALL.
>> ARE THERE ANY OTHER THOUGHTS OR COMMENTS? ANY DESIRE TO LOOK
AT OPTIONS TWO OR THREE? >> IN MY SHORT TIME ON THIS COMMISSION MONEY IS EXTREMELY TIGHT . IT'S EXTREMELY TIGHT .
THIS IS NOT THE FIRST TIME THIS IS HAPPENED WHERE A PROJECT HAS COME UP AFTER THE FACT AND IT IS NOT AN EFFICIENT USE OF TAXPAYER MONEY AND I GET IT. THE CHURCH THAT I GO TO, I HAVE TO GO PROBABLY 4000' EVERY SUNDAY AND MAKE A U-TURN ON HIGHWAY 17. I UNDERSTAND BUT AT THE SAME TIME I AM NOT REALLY PALATABLE TO KEEP BRINGING BACK PROJECTS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN BUDGETED, THAT ARE DOWN THE PIPE. IT'S NOT A GOOD USE OF MONEY. IT JUST ISN'T. I JUST THINK WE HAVE TO LOOK AT HOW PROACTIVE WE CAN
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POSSIBLY BE. I UNDERSTAND THE SITUATION IS DIFFERENT BECAUSE HE MENTIONED THE PUBLIC MEETING WAS QUITE SOME TIME AGO BUT I ALSO THINK UNFORTUNATELY WITH THE SNAIL'S PACE OF GOVERNMENT THAT WILL PROBABLY BE THE CASE A LOT OF THE TIME. THE MEETING FOR THE ARENA ROAD PROJECT WAS ALSO TWO OR THREE YEARS AGO SO THESE THINGS JUST TAKE TIME TO DEVELOP. I ALSO TO A CERTAIN DEGREE , I AM NOT A TRAFFIC ENGINEER OR A PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER BUT I'M GOING TO PUT DEFERRED TO THE PROFESSIONALS.AS YOU ARE STARTING TO SEE IN THE INDUSTRY OF ENGINEERING WHILE IT'S NOT POPULAR, YOU ARE STARTING TO SEE REDUCTION OF CONFLICT POINTS AS A PRIORITY FOR ENGINEERS. YOU SEE IT WITH CONVERGING DIAMONDS AND MEDIANS. ALL THESE NEWER DEVELOPMENTS HAVE THESE TRAFFIC CALMING MEASURES. THERE'S A REASON THEY ARE CHOOSING TO PUT THESE TYPES OF THINGS IN YOU REALLY DON'T WANT A MEDIAN NOR WHAT I IF I OWNED A BUSINESS BUT WE HAVE TO CONTINUE TO BALANCE, WHAT ARE WE GOING TO CUT TO FUND SUCH ADJUSTMENTS. THAT'S GOING TO BE THE TOUGH PIECE AND I HOPE WE ARE GOING TO BE MORE PROACTIVE ON THE FRONT END SO WE DON'T REVERSE THE BUDGET AT ALL. THOSE ARE MY THOUGHTS.
>> I LIVE WITH BUSINESSES WITHOUT MEDIAN CUTS. GOT A SEMI THERE THREE OR FOUR TIMES A WEEK DELIVERING FURNITURE AND IT STAYED IN BUSINESS 50 YEARS. IF YOU DRIVE THROUGH YOU WILL SEE THAT IT'S CLOSED BECAUSE THE OWNER RETIRED. WE LIVE WITH ONE 80S AND I DON'T EVEN THINK MCDONALD'S HAS A CURB MEDIAN.
YOU CAN SNEAK THROUGH IT BY HEADING THE WRONG WAY UP THE SOUTHBOUND LANE OF 17 AND I JUST QUESTION IF PEOPLE WANT TO GET TO YOUR BUSINESS THEY WILL GET TO YOUR BUSINESS. IF A SEMI NEEDS TO GET THEIR -- THAT'S WHAT DRIVERS ARE TRAINED ON.
PEOPLE SAY IT'S GOING TO HURT MY BUSINESS. I REALLY DON'T THINK, IF I NEED STEEL I'LL GET THERE SOMEHOW AND THEY DO. LIKE I SAID THAT FURNITURE BUSINESS STAYED IN BUSINESS 50 YEARS AND THE ONLY REASON IT'S CLOSED IS BECAUSE THE GUY RETIRED. AND YOU ARE RIGHT, MONEY IS TIGHT . IT'S REAL TIGHT. YOU LOOK AT THE BUDGET WE JUST PASSED AND WE ARE REDUCING A LOT OF OUR PROJECTS BY 23 OR 24% TO FUND OUR PRIMARY OBLIGATION WHICH IS PUBLIC SAFETY AND THIS WHOLE PROJECT IS DESIGNED AROUND PUBLIC SAFETY. 218 WAS AN INSUFFICIENT HIGHWAY A LONG TIME AGO . TO PUT A MEDIAN CUT THAT SLOWS TRAFFIC , THAT REDUCES TRAFFIC FLOW , IT MAKES THAT WHOLE FOUR LANE AND EFFECTIVE OR REDUCES THE EFFECTIVENESS SO YOU WOULD HAVE TO SHOW ME SOMETHING REALLY DYNAMIC THAT IS NOT ALL THAT EXPENSIVE.
>> ANYTHING ELSE? >> THANK YOU, GENTLEMAN.
APPRECIATE IT. >> THE REASON WHY I WAITED WAS BECAUSE I FIGURED YOU WERE LOOKING TO A SOLUTION FOR YOUR QUESTION BUT I DID HAVE A CONCERN OR MAYBE SOMETHING YOU COULD ADDRESS FOR ME FOR WGI. MY THOUGHTS ECHO A LOT OF WHAT COMMISSIONER SGROMOLO SAID IN THAT WE ARE SEEING THESE TRENDS AND THE PROBLEM IS, THAT IT IS RINGING VERY TRUE, SQUARE PEG ROUND HOLE. A LOT OF WE ARE , WHAT WE ARE HAVING HAPPEN ARE THESE CHANGES THAT ARE HAPPENING ON ROADS THAT ARE BUILT INTO THE INFRASTRUCTURE. NOT ROADS BUT COMMUNITIES THAT ARE ALREADY BUILT INTO THE INFRASTRUCTURE. WE SAW IT WITH RUSSELL WOULD BAPTIST, WE SAW IT WITH THIS COMING UP BUT WE ALSO GOT SOME PUSHBACK WITH WELLS ROAD AND I KNOW THAT IS A STATE ISSUE BUT THE MECHANISM IS THE SAME. WE ARE SEEING U-TURNS BECOME MORE POPULAR AND I'M LOOKING FOR MAY BE SOME INSIGHT AS TO HOW DO WE GET AHEAD OF CONVERSATIONS LIKE THIS FROM YOUR VANTAGE POINT?
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YOU ARE THE ONE WHO BRINGS TO US THESE CONCEPTS THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE TO APPROVE. THE ONLY PROBLEM THAT I HAD IS, I COULD HAVE GIVEN YOUR PRESENTATION FOR YOU BECAUSE I HEARD IT FOUR MONTHS AGO AND IT WAS THE SAME POINTS. IT'S GOING TO COST MORE MONEY AND IT'S SAFETY. EVERY TIME WE HAVE THESE CONVERSATIONS, WE HAVE VERY REAL CONSIDERATIONS WE COULD BALANCE AND I'M LOOKING FOR WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO MOVING FORWARD THAT TAKES THE COMMUNITY INTO CONSIDERATION . WHEN WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THIS SPECIFIC SITUATION WITH SEMI TRUCKS I THINK IT UNDERMINES YOUR SAFETY ARGUMENT WHEN YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT SEMI TRUCKS CROSSING FOUR LANES OF TRAFFIC. I DON'T KNOW HOW WE CAN SAY ONE THING IS OUR GOAL AND THEN PERPETUATE THE DIAMETRICALLY OPPOSITE POSITION. SO I REALLY AM CURIOUS TO KNOW , I SAW YOUR PRESENTATION AND THE LIST OF THINGS YOU GUYS TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION BUT HOW MUCH OF IT MOVING FORWARD CAN WE AS COMMISSIONERS ANTICIPATE WILL FOLD INTO THE ANALYSIS OF THECOMMUNITY INFRASTRUCTURE? >> OUR JOB IS TO FOCUS ON THE SAFETY OF THE PUBLIC AND GETTING THEM FROM ONE POINT TO ANOTHER.
AS A WHOLE THAT'S WHAT WE LOOK AT AS ENGINEERS. UNDERSTANDING THE COMMUNITY AND THE NEEDS OF THE COMMUNITY ARE SOMETHING WE ALSO HAVE TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION AS WELL AND THERE IS A BALANCE. WHERE'S THE CORRIDOR NOW VERSUS WHERE DO PLANNERS , NOT WHAT I DO BUT WHERE DO THE PLANNERS SEE IT GOING TO IN THE FUTURE? I KNOW THE BOARD HAS HEARD THIS SEVERAL TIMES. WHY DIDN'T WE GET AHEAD OF THIS? WHY AREN'T WE PLANNING FOR THE FUTURE? THAT'S WHAT WE ARE DOING NOW. WE ARE TRYING TO PLAN FOR THE FUTURE. MAY BE. IN 10 OR 15 YEARS PROBABLY NOT, SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION OR NOT .
>> MAYBE IF I COULD ADD ON TO THIS , THIS CORRIDOR A LOT OF TIMES IT COMES DOWN TO MONEY. IF THE COUNTY HAD THE MONEY 20 YEARS AGO WHEN THIS WAS FIRST CONSIDERED MAY BE A LOT OF BUSINESSES WOULD NOT BE THERE AND THE CORRIDOR WOULD HAVE BEEN BUILT BACK THEN BUT THEY DIDN'T HAVE MONEY AND WE DIDN'T HAVE MONEY. 10 OR 15 YEARS AGO IT WAS REDESIGNED, NO MONEY NOT UNTIL THE COUNTY WENT OUT AND BOUGHT IT. NOW WE ARE TRYING TO GET THE RIGHT ROADWAY IN SINCE ALL THESE BUSINESSES HAVE BUILT ALONG THIS CORRIDOR BUT HAD THAT ROAD BEEN BUILT 20+ YEARS AGO IT WOULD NOT BE A CONSIDERATION BECAUSE LIKE ON THE NORTH SIDE THERE ARE NOT AS MANY BUSINESSES. IT'S JUST A LOT OF WOODS WITH TURNOFFS FOR A
DRIVEWAY INTO THE WOODS. >> THAT IS A CHICKEN OR THE EGG
ARGUMENT. >> IN THIS CASE IS THAT THE
CHICKEN OR THE EGG? >> DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING YOU
WANTED TO ADD? >> I TALKED WITH BOBBY JAMISON AND HIS DAD WAS OUR PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR. WHEN THEY BUILT THE WIDENING PORTION , THE WINN-DIXIE DRIVEWAY THEY USED THE SAME PLANS THAT WE USED IN 2020 WHEN WE BEGAN THE DESIGN BUILD PROCESS. THE 2005 PLANS WHEN IT WAS WIDENED, EXACTLY WHAT YOU SAID. RAN OUT OF MONEY. THERE WAS NO MONEY TO CONTINUE THE PROJECT . THIS IS NO SLAM ON ANY ONE OF THESE GENTLEMEN OR LADIES HERE BUT THIS MIGHT BE THE WORST KEPT SECRET IN CLAY COUNTY HISTORY. IT HAS BEEN FOUR LANE PLANS SINCE 1994. ON PAPER, PUBLIC RECORD, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT. THE MEETING TOOK PLACE IN 2022 AND IT WAS VERY WELL ATTENDED. WE HAD A LOT OF FOLKS THERE ARE . THAT ONE LITTLE PIECE, THAT JOSH SHOWED,
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BIG ADJUSTMENTS. THERE ARE ADJUSTMENTS THAT COULD HAVE BEEN MADE. THE ADJUSTMENTS COULD HAVE BEEN AT A MEDIAN BREAK OR SHIFT THE BREAK OVER HERE. IT WAS NEVER ASKED. WHEN YOU GO TO AN AERIAL VIEW IT'S DIFFICULT TO REZONE PROPERTY. IF IT'S RESIDENTIAL IT'S GOING TOBE TOUGH TO CHANGE ANYTHING ELSE.THESE LOTS ALONG THIS SEGMENT OF 218 ARE BORDERED DIRECTLY BEHIND THEM BY HOMES , HOMES UP FRONT , THE SYSTEM OF DIRT ROADS ON THE NORTH END. IT'S GOING TO BE VERY DIFFICULT TO GET 600 VEHICLES PER DAY USERS IN THERE. IF YOU ARE PLANNING THIS AND YOU WERE OUT IN CALIFORNIA OR ILLINOIS YOU WOULD NOT WORRY ABOUT THAT. YOU WOULD WORRY ABOUT WHAT PLANNERS WOULD DO.
THEY WOULD LIMIT THESE BRAKES. I THINK WE WOULD DO WHEN EVERY 1320'. EVERY QUARTER OF A MILE IS WHAT DOT WOULD DO BECAUSE UNFORTUNATELY THEIR NEEDS, THEY KNOW THEIR NEEDS , THE PLANNERS DON'T. A LOOK AT IT AT A MACRO SCALE AND THESE WILL NEVER BE MORE THAN THREE OR 400' DEEP. THE ONLY PERSON THAT HAS BOUGHT ANY PROPERTY IS THE ONE AT THE MEDIAN BREAK OPENING AT THE HALFWAY POINT. DON'T KNOW IF HE CAN DEVELOP THAT OR IF IT IS ENTITLED FOR THAT BUT THIS WOULD BE ONE THAT IF YOU ARE LOOKING AT IT AND YOU WANTED TO MAKE A RATIONAL DECISION, AND YOU WANTED TO KEEP IT SAFE , OF THE $129.7 MILLION WE STARTED WITH AT THAT PROGRAM THIS WAS THE ONLY SET THAT WAS CAPACITY DEFICIENT. THE REST OF THEM WERE GOING TO BE. WE WERE DOING THAT FOR THE FUTURE AND TO BUILD A NEW CORRIDOR SINCE THERE'S ONLY THREE EAST OR WEST CONNECTORS IN THE COUNTY. THIS ONE, THOUGH, THERE'S A LOT OF FOLKS THAT DRIVE THAT WAY EVERY DAY AND PROBABLY SIT IN MORE TRAFFIC THAN WE DO IN SOME PLACES IN LAKE ASBURY. OVERCAPCITY FOR A TWO- LANE ROAD AND HAS BEEN SINCE THE 90S. IT'S A TOUGH DECISION AND WE HAVE TO , BUT TO BLAME IT ON ENGINEERING AND PLANNING IN THIS CASE IT DOESN'T REALLY APPLY. MEANING YOU'VE GOT A LIMITED PLATE AND YOU CAN'T JUST GO AND WIPE OUT THAT NEIGHBORHOOD AND SAY WE ARE GOING TO BUILD A ONE MILLION-SQUARE-FOOT AMAZON THERE OR AN ORANGE PARK MALL SOUTH. THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO SAY
ABOUT IT. >> WE DON'T WANT TO BE LIKE
ILLINOIS OR CALIFORNIA. >> RIGHT BUT IF THEY LOOK AT IT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO COME IN HERE AND INTERVIEW-- MY BEST FRIEND TAKES HIS 32 THERE. HE WOULD DRIVE PAST 12 OTHER MECHANICS AND FABRICATORS AND BODY SHOPS TO GET THERE. HE'S THE BEST IN TOWN. THAT'S THE POINT WE MAKE. IF WE ARE GOING TO DO IT BY PLANNING AND WHAT WE LEARNED IN COLLEGE, YOU WOULD PROBABLY HAVE A MEDIAN BREAK AT THE PARK, AND ONE AT EVERY 1320' BECAUSE YOU ARE TRYING TO GET FOLKS FROM CLAY HILL TO, IN THIS CASE IT USED TO BE BLANDING AND NOW IT'S A TOLL ROAD.
>> WE WON'T FORGET ABOUT YOU, CARLOS. I HAVE NO INTENTION AT ALL TO BE ARGUMENTATIVE WITH YOU RICHARD. WHAT I FIND TO BE NCONGRUENT IS TO SAY THAT YOU ARE THE PROFESSIONALS, EVERY TIME WE HAVE THESE CONVERSATIONS WE ALWAYS DEFER TO THOSE WHO HAVE THE SKILL SET TO ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS AND THEN ALSO POSITION IT, THROW IT BACK INTO THE COUNTY'S, RESIDENCE OR BUSINESS OWNERS AND SAY YOU NEVER ASKED FOR IT WHILE ALSO SAYING THAT EVEN IF THEY WERE TO ASK FOR IT WHAT GUIDELINES WE ARE LOOKING AT, THIS WOULD NOT BE CONSISTENT WITH SAFETY AND THOSE MANAGEMENT PRACTICES TO DO THAT. IT SEEMS LIKE A VERY CIRCULAR ARGUMENT TO SAY WE KNOW WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT BUT THE PUBLIC DID NOT ASK FOR WHAT THEY ARE ASKING FOR RIGHT NOW AND WE WOULD HAVE ACCOMMODATED THEM THEN BUT OUR GUIDELINES ARE TELLING US NOT REALLY TO ACCOMMODATE THEM.
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>> THAT'S A GOOD POINT. >> I AM NOT PERSUADED AND I'M LOOKING FOR, THAT'S THE OTHER REASON WHY ENGINEERING IS AT THE COUNTY LEVEL AND I'M NOT BLAMING YOU, DON'T GET ME WRONG. WHAT I AM BLAMING IS THAT THE NATIONAL FIRMS ARE NOT IN CLAY COUNTY. SO WHAT HAPPENS IN CLAY COUNTY, WHAT WAS GLARING TO ME ABOUT THIS ENTIRE CONVERSATION IS THAT ZONING DID NOT SEEM TO PLAY A PART AT ALL. AND THE BUSINESSES THAT ARE OUT THERE ARE ZONED FOR WHAT THEY ARE DOING. YOU ARE EXPECTING SEMI TRUCKS, SO WHY WOULDN'T OUR PLANS FOR WIDENING THE ROAD ALSO INCORPORATE THESE CHANGES? AND AGAIN WE ARE BACK TO THE CHICKEN AND THE EGG CONVERSATION WHERE MAYBE WE WERE HAVING THESE CONVERSATIONS AS BUSINESSES WERE NOT THERE, THEY ARE THERE AND WE DO NOT HAVE A SOLUTION HERE AND SAFETY AGAIN, SAFETY IS YOUR OBJECTIVE, TIMELINES ARE YOUR OBJECTIVE, BUDGET IS YOUR OBJECTIVE, BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU CAN MAINTAIN THAT SAFETY IS MET WITH A
CIRCUMSTANCE LIKE THIS . >> I WILL SAY THAT THE MOST RECENT TRAFFIC DATA THAT WE HAVE IS FROM 2024 AND IT IS CURRENTLY 14,000 VEHICLES A DAY. THE PROJECTION IN 2025 WHICH WOULD BE THE DESIGN YEAR IS 21,000 VEHICLES PER DAY. THE TRUCK VALUE IS 1.3% SO IT'S ABOUT 185 VEHICLE TRUCKS PER DAY. WHICH IS A VERY LOW VOLUME OF TRUCKS. WHEN WE TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION WHAT WE ARE DESIGNING FOR WE CAN'T DESIGN FOR 1% TRUCKS. YOU WOULD DESIGN FOR TRUCKS IF YOU HAD SOMEWHERE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF 10% OR HIGHER TRUCK VOLUME. THEN YOU WOULD START TAKING THAT DESIGN VEHICLE AND THAT LEVEL OF TRAFFIC FOR LARGER VEHICLES INTO CONSIDERATION BUT FOR 1% TRUCKS YOU BALANCE THE BUDGET WITH, IF WE START DESIGNING EVERYTHING FOR TRUCKS THEN YOU ARE GOING TO NEED A LOT MORE RIGHT OF WAY AND ALL OF THAT AS WELL. THERE ARE SOME TRAFFIC VOLUMES TO MAKE
THOSE DECISIONS. >> YOUR POINT IS WELL TAKEN. THE ONLY PROBLEM IS I'M NOT SAYING FOR US TO DESIGN FOR TRUCKS.
I'M SAYING WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT THIS JUST A FEW MONTHS AGO WITH RUSSELL BAPTIST IT WASN'T TRUCKS, IT WAS THE ELDERLY WOMEN WHO HAD TO , AND ELDERLY MEN HAVING TO MAKE U-TURNS ON ONCOMING TRAFFIC. NOT TO SAY SOMETHING THAT SPECIFIC I THINK MISSES THE POINT OF WHAT I'M GETTING AT, THERE ARE SPECIFIC CONCERNS IN DIFFERENT AREAS AND TODAY IT'S SEMI TRUCKS, A FEW MONTHS AGO IT WAS THE ELDERLY BUT IT'S THE INFRASTRUCTURE OF THE COMMUNITY THAT SEEMS TO BE THE MISSING LINK IN THE CONVERSATION. WELLS ROAD WHEN THAT CAME UP , AND I HEARD THAT COMMISSIONER RENNINGER DID MAKE HIS ROUNDS TO THE LOCAL BUSINESSES SO THERE'S AN ISSUE HERE IN THAT THE COMMUNITY INFRASTRUCTURE MAY NOT BE AS BIG OF A PRIORITY IN THOSE CONVERSATIONS AND I UNDERSTAND WHY YOU ARE SAYING THAT . THIS IS WHAT I'M LOOKING AT IT IT'S ALMOST LIKE IT'S IN A VACUUM.
WE ARE ONLY EVALUATING IT AT THIS LEVEL BUT WE CANNOT DO THAT. AND WHEN WE SAY WE CAN'T DO THAT YOU PUSH BACK AND TELL US WELL SAFETY, MONEY. IT'S THE SAME ARGUMENTS. EFFICIENCY, AND
THAT'S ALSO VERY CIRCULAR. >> EUROPE 100% CORRECT AND YOU MAKE A GOOD POINT. MAYBE WE NEED MORE PUBLIC MEETINGS BECAUSE THIS , REALLY WE ARE HERE FOR ONE REASON. NOT BECAUSE OF THE DECISION WE HAVE TO MAKE THE DECISION YOU ALL HAVE TO MAKE TO PAY FOR IT. IF THIS HAD BEEN IN THE PLANS AND WE KNEW THESE PARTICULAR SITUATIONS, AND THIS ONE HAD THIS NEED WE HAVE SOME CRITERIA, 10% OVER 1320' TO MOVE THAT ONE WAY OR THE OTHER TO SAY LET'S SHIFT IT THIS WAY BECAUSE WE FOUND OUT THIS PERSON
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IS DOING THIS. WHEN WE DON'T KNOW ABOUT THAT AND WE ARE JUST LOOKING AT A 3000 FT.÷ BUILDING WITH SIX TENANTS AND 32 PARKING SPACES UP FRONT WE HAVE A LOGICAL DECISION . I THINK IT'S GOT TO BE MORE PUBLIC MEETINGS ARE SOMEHOW TO GET THE WORD OUT AND SAY THESE ARE IMPORTANT. ARENA ROAD DID NOT SHOW UP. THEY SHOWED UP WHEN LITERALLY THE CONCRETE BLOCKS BLOCKED THEM FROM GETTING A LEFT TURN OUT. THESE FOLKS SHOWED UP , THEY ARE CONCRETE. THEY WERE ALREADY THERE, WEREN'T THEY? NOT THE MEDIAN BUT THE DRIVEWAYS IN THE FRONT. THE SIDEWALK AND ALL.>> IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE TURN INS IN THE CENTER LANE.
HE'S TALKING ABOUT THE PROPERTY.
>> OMEGA PARK , THE MEDIAN HAS ALREADY STARTED ABOUT THE FIRST 400', SO IT'S IMMINENT. IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN AND YOU ARE RIGHT WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO FIND OUT THOSE THINGS
BEFOREHAND. >> WITH EACH ONE OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS AGAIN THERE'S ALWAYS THE EXCEPTION AND THE MAJORITY, I'M LOOKING AT COURTNEY WITH EACH ONE ALONG THE WAY WERE THERE IS A DRIVEWAY. WE HAD TO MEET WITH THE PROPERTY OWNERS AND GET TEMPORARY CONSTRUCTION. WE MET WITH THAT PROPERTY OWNER, HERE'S WHAT WE ARE DOING AND WHAT THE PLANS LOOK LIKE.
SOMETIMES WE HAVE TO PAY FOR IT AND SOMETIMES IT'S A LICENSE AGREEMENT. YOU ARE NEAR A DRIVEWAY? GREAT. OTHER TIMES WE HAVE TO PAY FOR IT FOR TEMPORARY OR PERMANENT OR PURCHASE PROPERTIES. ALL OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS ALONG 218 , WHEREVER WE ARE AT WE MEET WITH EACH ONE OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS INDIVIDUALLY. WE HAVE THE COMMUNITY MEETINGS, WE LAY OUT WHERE YOU ARE AT, WHAT DO YOU WANT, WE HAVE CROSS-SECTIONS AND TWO YEARS LATER THEY ARE IN THE PROCESS OF PUTTING THE ROAD IN AND THAT'S WHEN WE GET THE FEEDBACK. WE DON'T LIKE WHAT
YOU ARE DOING. >> WE ALSO HAVE A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY . I PULLED OUT MY MAP OF WHAT YOU ALL SET ME. THERE'S NO MEETINGS OR ANYTHING ON THAT SIGN-UP SHEET. I'D BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO PROVIDE THAT . AS FAR AS ME SPEAKING TO ANDERSON AND COLUMBIA , THEIR ASSUMPTION BY NOT PUTTING IN A MEDIAN IT'S A CHEAPER DEAL BECAUSE WE WOULD ALSO NOT HAVE TO UPKEEP THE GRASS OUT THERE, IT WOULD BE FASTER TO RUN THE STRIPING ON
IT. >> SO BASICALLY I AM HEARING YOUR SUGGESTION IS COMMUNITY INPUT. YOU ARE BOTH SAYING THE SAME THING. NOTICE. AND WHAT'S INTERESTING AND I APPRECIATE THIS A LOT IS THAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT HAVING GONE THROUGH TO GREATER LENGTHS TO GIVE NOTICE TO STAKEHOLDERS. I WAS TALKING TO THE COUNTY MANAGER ABOUT THIS JUST LAST NIGHT. HE AND COURTNEY THE COUNTY ATTORNEY AS I UNDERSTAND IT, THE COUNTY IS DOING EXACTLY WHAT WAS SET OUT IN TERMS OF NOTICE BUT AT LEAST IN LIGHT OF THIS CONVERSATION, I CAN ASK THIS NOW OR LATER BUT I'M WONDERING IF WE NEED TO ENHANCE OUR OWN INTERNAL CONTROLS CONCERNING NOTICE BECAUSE IT'S A BROKEN RECORD UP HERE THAT, WELL WE DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT IT.
AND SOMETIMES I THINK THAT'S TRUE BUT I AM ALSO A PROPONENT OF THINKING THAT IF ONE PERSON SAYS IT IT IS AN ANOMALY BUT IF IT'S TO PEOPLE OR 10, IT'S A PATTERN AND I WOULD LIKE US TO AT LEAST CONSIDER THAT BECAUSE IT'S A PROBLEM AND IT'S NOT EVEN TO SAY THEN, THAT BEFORE WE ACTUALLY PUT THIS INTO -- WELL I CAN'T EVEN SAY THAT. I WAS GOING TO SAY BEFORE WE EVEN IMPLEMENT THIS YOU DON'T KNOW HOW SUCCESSFUL THE PROGRAM IS GOING TO BE BUT YOU GUYS HAVE ALREADY BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL IN MAKING DIRECT CONTACT WITH THOSE WHO ARE DIRECTLY IMPACTED BY THOSE CHANGES. WE DO HAVE A SYSTEM THAT WORKS. I THINK IT'S JUST HARDER TO DO THAT , OR MAYBE WE ARE NOT THINKING ABOUT DOING THAT AT THIS LEVEL ALSO. SO I APPRECIATE ALL OF YOUR
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INSIGHT AND I HAVE CLEAR DIRECTION ON WHAT TO PROPOSE AND MAYBE WE CAN GET SOME CHANGES ON THAT FRONT.>> IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE THE PUBLIC MEETING WAS THREE YEARS AGO AND BECAUSE THIS WIDENING HAS BEEN DISCUSSED SINCE PROBABLY THESE TWO WERE NOT BORN YET, DEFINITELY I WAS STILL IN COLLEGE . BUT BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN DISCUSSED FOR THAT LONG IN THE COUNTY NEVER HAD THE MONEY I REALLY THINK THAT THREE YEARS AGO THERE WERE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO THOUGHT IT WASN'T GOING TO HAPPEN. AND IF YOU REMEMBER THREE YEARS AGO IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE OUT TO COSMOS . ORIGINALLY IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE OUT TO CARTER SPENCER SO I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO THOUGHT THIS WOULD NEVER COME TO FRUITION AT ALL AND NOW IT'S A VERY SMALL STRETCH OF ROAD SO I THINK THAT KIND OF PLAYS INTO IT. THE OTHER THING I THINK WHEN YOU WERE TALKING BECAUSE YOU ARE RIGHT, BECAUSE TO COMMISSIONER SGROMOLO 'S POINT THESE PROJECTS MOVE SO SLOWLY THAT RIGHT BEFORE WE GO OUT TO CONSTRUCTION , HAVE ANOTHER PUBLIC MEETING OR SOMETHING. AND MAYBE THAT'S ON ME IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, THAT I DIDN'T GO OUT AND HAVE ANOTHER PUBLIC MEETING TO SAY ARE WE SURE SURE EVERYONE IS OKAY WITH THIS? THE OTHER THING IS TO YOUR POINT ED, WE TALKED TO THE OWNERS BECAUSE WE HAD TO GET DRIVEWAY ACCESS .
MOST OF THESE ARE TENANTS. SO THEIR LANDLORD SIGNED OFF, TOOK THE MONEY AND LIKE I SAID I DID TALK TO THE ONE OWNER OF ONE OF THE PROPERTIES TODAY THAT SHE WAS HEADING OUT OF TOWN AND I GUESS SHE'S WORRIED ABOUT IT BECAUSE SHE HAS TENANTS WHO ARE WORRIED ABOUT IT BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT SHE NECESSARILY WAS, MAYBE SHE SENT IT TO AN ATTORNEY. DID SHE EVEN COME TO THE MEETING THREE YEARS AGO? THAT KIND OF THING. I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER EITHER BUT YOU MAKE A VALID POINT.
>> IN THIS DAY AND AGE WE DID AN OPEN HOUSE FOR 17, 60,000 CARS A DAY AND FORTUNATELY A COUPLE SHOWED UP AND I WAS THE ONLY ONE THERE BESIDES THOSE TWO. THAT WAS TWO WEEKS AGO . THE ONE FOR WELLS ROAD I DID AN OPEN HOUSE. AGAIN THERE WERE LIKE FIVE PEOPLE THERE AND ONE WAS OUR CONTRIBUTION GUY. I THINK MAYBE WITH THE ADVENT OF SOCIAL MEDIA AND BEING ABLE TO TELEVISE IT ON FACEBOOK MAYBE THAT IS AN AVENUE WE CAN GO TO . AT LEAST WATCH THIS AND HERE'S A WAY TO LET US KNOW YOUR SPECIFIC CONCERNS. BUT WE JUST, I DON'T WANT TO SAY BLINDSIDED BUT WE DIDN'T KNOW ANY SPECIFICS AND THE IMPORTANT PART ABOUT THAT COMMISSIONER IS THAT WHEN WE KNOW THOSE THINGS THEY GO IN THE PLANS. SO A $21 MILLION ROADWAY CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS WITH A MEDIAN BREAK OR MOVING 120' OR 50', WE NEVER SEE THAT BECAUSE IT'S PART OF THE ORIGINAL PLANS. WE WILL SEE IT EVEN THOUGH I HOPE THE GUY I TALKED TO IN THE FIELD DECIDES WELL I'M GOING TO DO THIS GRATIS BUT WE WILL SEE THAT IN A CHANGE ORDER MANY TIMES MORE THAN WHAT IT WOULD BE IF IT WERE IN THE PLANS AND IN THE $21 MILLION ORIGINAL BID. IT AIN'T THAT WE DON'T WANT A MEDIAN BREAK . WE CERTAINLY CANNOT VIOLATE SOME OF THESE ACCESS CRITERIA'S OR WE WILL LOSE OUR LICENSE. HE MADE THE POINT OF HAVING TO SLOW DOWN. HOW MANY FOLKS HAVE A HURT NECK WHEN THEY GET REAR-ENDED AND FIND OUT IT WAS A 45 MILE-PER-HOUR POSTED SPEED LIMIT AND THEY HAD 185' TO SLOW DOWN WHEN THEY SHOULD HAVE HAD 235'? WE ARE NOT GOING TO WIN THAT AS A PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER. WE ARE GOING TO BE LIABLE AND HOPEFULLY OUR INSURANCE WILL PAY FOR IT. THAT'S THE REASON FOR THE CAUTION. AND IF I HAVE SOMETHING IN THE FILE THAT SAYS WE DID THIS BECAUSE OF THIS THAT WILL AT LEAST GIVE US SOME EVIDENCE TO BACK IT UP AND SAY THIS IS WHY WE MADE THAT CONCESSION. AT THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IS TO KNOW IT BEFORE WE DRAW THE PLANS, BEFORE WE BID THE PLANS.
>> REST ASSURED RICHARD I WOULD NEVER WANT TO PUT YOU OR YOUR PROFESSIONAL LICENSE IN JEOPARDY.
>> IT'S ALL OF US. 240,000 PEOPLE WHO LIVE HERE BECAUSE THEY WILL ALL FOOT THE BILL. THAT'S THE PROBLEM. ANYWAY.
>> I WANT TO MAKE ONE OTHER COMMENT. I WANT TO CLARIFY SOMETHING. WE LIVE IN A DYNAMIC SOCIETY AND A DYNAMIC SITUATION AND NOTHING COULD EXPOSE THAT MORE THAN THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE
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SEARS PROPERTY AT THE MALL. AND THE WELLS LANDING RENOVATION.THE DEVELOPER KNEW NOTHING ABOUT , I MEAN THEY ARE JUST IN THE PROCESS OF PURCHASING PROPERTY. THEY KNEW NOTHING ABOUT THE F.PLAN TO CHANGE BLANDING AND PUT IN A U-TURN AND ALL THAT BUT WE BROUGHT THEM ALL TOGETHER AND THE TRAFFIC ENGINEERS WERE ABLE TO MODIFY THE PLAN TO ACCOMMODATE THE NEW UTILITY OF THAT PROPERTY. SO IT CHANGES ALL THE TIME. WE ALWAYS HAVE TO LOOK
OUT FOR THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. >> THEY WERE ELIMINATING A DRIVEWAY , THAT THEY WERE ABLE TO REESTABLISH.
>> THEIR FUTURE ANCHOR STORE NEEDED IT . FDOT WAS GOING TO TAKE AWAY THE DRIVEWAY. DO YOU KNOW ABOUT THIS? WE GOT THEM TOGETHER AND GOT A CHANGE TO ACCOMMODATE THEM.
>> BUT IT WAS BEFORE THE PLANS WERE BID IS THE GOOD PART. THEY
WERE MADE IN TIME. >> BARELY. BARELY IN TIME.
>> CARLOS DID YOU WANT TO-- OKAY. I FIGURED. IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE ON THIS ITEM THAT ANYBODY WANTS TO DISCUSS? GOOD
[25. Approval of Resolution of No Objection to Feed Mill Stewardship District and Finding of Support and Letter of Support for Feed Mill Stewardship District Local Bill (C. Grimm)]
DISCUSSION, THANK YOU. AND THANK YOU TO YOU ALL FOR COMING OUT AND PARTICIPATING. ITEM NUMBER 25 NEW BUSINESS. APPROVAL OF RESOLUTION OF NO OBJECTION TO FEMALE STEWARDSHIP DISTRICT AND FINDING SUPPORT AND LETTER OF SUPPORT FOR FEMALE STEWARDSHIPDISTRICT LOCAL BILL . >> THIS IS SIMILAR TO LAST OR IN MEETING WHEN BEFORE YOU WAS THE STATUTORILY REQUIRED RESOLUTION, NO OBJECTION IN CONNECTION WITH THE SHADOW LINE STEWARDSHIP DISTRICT. THIS IS BEFORE YOU ON NEW BUSINESS. THERE ARE REPRESENTATIVES HEAR FROM THE FEED MILL COMMUNITY. DAN MCCORMICK AS WELL AS COUNCIL SO IF YOU DO ANY -- HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THEM, ALSO SORT OF TIED TO THIS WOULD BE ITEM NUMBER 34, AS WELL, THE SAME LETTER OF SUPPORT SO WHAT IS HERE IS THEY ARE ASKING FOR APPROVAL OF THE STATUTORILY REQUIRED NOTICE AS WELL AS A SPECIFIC LEVER LETTER OF SUPPORT
FOR THE DELEGATION. >> OKAY. SO, I SPOKE WITH SENATOR BRADLEY REGARDING THIS . SHE HAD SOME CONCERNS AND THIS MIGHT TAKE A LITTLE BIT. I HAVE A LETTER THAT I SENT TO HER AND JUST WANT TO GIVE IT TO Y'ALL TO SEE IF YOU HAVE IT. CAN YOU GET THAT? I KNOW THAT PROBABLY ALL OF Y'ALL KNOW FROM MY DISTRICT , I HAVE NOT BEEN SECRETIVE OR HAVE NOT SPOKEN OUT ABOUT MY NOT BEING HAPPY ABOUT WHAT HAS HAPPENED . WE'VE HAD A LOT OF DEVELOPMENT THAT QUITE FRANKLY HAS NOT BEEN ATTRACTIVE TO ME BUT WE KNOW IT WAS ALREADY APPROVED AND IT WAS PART OF THE MASTER PLAN. BUT ALL OF A SUDDEN I GO THROUGH THE YEARS AND WE'VE HEARD MORE AND MORE ABOUT SARATOGA SPRINGS, . SENATOR BRADLEY WAS CONCERNED SO SHE WANTED TO MAKE SURE AS A BOARD WE WERE MAKING A DECISION THAT WE UNDERSTOOD AND THAT WE HAD THOUGHT OUT. I DIDN'T WANT TO PASS OVER THE SLIGHTLY AND I WANTED TO EXPLAIN TO YOU ALL AND WHAT MY RESPONSE TO HER WAS.
I'M GOING TO GO THROUGH THIS LETTER. IMPORTANT AREAS , THIS LETTER IS TO SENATOR BRADLEY AND I SAID I WOULD LIKE TO
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RESPECTFULLY EXPLAIN THE REASONS FOR MY REQUEST TO YOU AND THE DELEGATION FOR SUPPORT OF THE STEWARDSHIP DISTRICT. AS REQUESTED I ALSO PLANNED TO DISCUSS THE SAME POINTS WITH MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS AT THE BCC MEETING. THE NEW CATHEDRAL OAKS PARKWAY PLAYS A VITAL ROLE IN THE REASON WHY THESE DISTRICTS ARE KEY IN DISTRICT 5. THIS IS ONE OF THE BONDED ROAD PROJECTS APPROVED WHEN I WAS A BRAND-NEW COMMISSIONER AND I REMEMBER BEING SO ECSTATIC TO BE A PART OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE IN MY DISTRICT. RELIEF WAS IN SIGHT FOR OUR BUSY GRIDLOCKED TWO LANE ROADS AND A LITTLE OVER FOUR YEARS LATER HALLELUJAH CATHEDRAL OAKS PARKWAY BECAME A REALITY. AS YOU KNOW THE FAMILY HAS BEEN A PART OF CLAY COUNTY FOR ALMOST 100 YEARS. THERE IS NO DOUBT THAT THEY CARE DEEPLY ABOUT CLAY COUNTY AND THE LEGACY IS TRULY FINALLY BEGINNING TO BE CARRIED OUT IN MY TIME AS A COMMISSIONER. AS A PART OF THAT LEGACY REINHOLD AGREED TO NOT ONLY DONATE PORTIONS OF THE RIGHT-OF-WAY NEEDED BUT TO BUILD A HUGE PORTION OF THIS BEAUTIFUL ROAD THAT WE ARE ALL ENJOYING NOW. THIS NEW ROAD ALLOWED ANOTHER WAY TO TRAVEL EAST TO WEST FOR RESIDENTS WHICH HAS BEEN DESPERATELY NEEDED FOR SO LONG. REINHOLD SPENT $25 MILLION TO BRING THIS BEAUTIFUL ROAD INTO FRUITION BEFORE ANY DEVELOPMENT WAS STARTED ON THE PROPERTY TO ALLOW RESIDENTS TO FINALLY HAVE A PATH TO ESCAPE THE GRIDLOCK AT THE CENTER OF DISTRICT 5. IT WAS TRUE A DEVELOPER RECEIVES CREDITS FOR THE DONATION AND THE CONSTRUCTION OF SUCH A ROAD BUT IT WOULD BE IMPOSSIBLE FOR US TO KNOW WHEN THE COUNTY WOULD EVER HAVE BEEN ABLE TO BUILD A ROAD OF THIS MAGNITUDE IS EVER. IN ORDER TO PROTECT THE PARKWAY I EXPLAINED WHY THE PROPOSED TUITION DISTRICTS WILL FILL THAT NEED. SENATOR BRADLEY HAD ASKED ME WHY NOT HAVE MULTIPLE CDD'S AS MANY OF THE LARGE DEVELOPMENTS HAVE AS WE KNOW OF , VILLAGES AND THEY MERGE LATER ON? IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT DISTRICT LEGISLATION WAS UNFAMILIAR IN YEARS PAST . THESE DEVELOPMENTS HAD MULTIPLE CDD'S IN THE PAST BUT THERE ARE MANY CONS REGARDING HAVING MULTIPLE . THESE INCLUDE TRYING TO GET MULTIPLE BOARDS TO AGREE TO MERGE IN THE FUTURE TO PROVIDE FOR INFRASTRUCTURE MAINTENANCE AND SHARE AMENITIES WHICH MAY BE NEARLY IMPOSSIBLE TO FEEDING COMMUNITY UNITY AND ADDITIONALLY SOME ARE CDD BOARDS THAT SET FEES HIGHER OR WORSE THEY CAN BLOCK THEIR NEIGHBORS FROM USING AMENITIES. WITH ONE BOARD RESIDENTS WOULD BE TREATED SIMILARLY, HAVE ACCESS TO THE AMENITIES WITHOUT HAVING TO PAY ADDITIONAL FEES AND GARNER COMMUNITY UNITY NOT TO MENTION ADMINISTRATIVE FEES ASSOCIATED WITH MANAGEMENT THAT WOULD BE PASSED ON TO RESIDENTS. THEY HAVE APPROVED NON-OBJECTIONS IN THEIR RESPECTIVE COUNTIES.RESIDENTS THAT MOVE-IN DURING PHASE 1 OR PHASE 2 WOULD THEN CONTROL THE ISSUANCE OF BONDS FOR FUTURE PHASES. THESE COULD PREVENT DEVELOPERS FROM BEING ABLE TO ISSUE BONDS TO BUILD ROADS IN FUTURE PHASES OR BUILD NECESSARY INFRASTRUCTURE BECAUSE THEY DO NOT WANT FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OR ARE CONCERNED WITH THE COST. THIS PROCESS IS NECESSARY TO ENSURE NEW GROWTH PAYS FOR ITSELF. THE BONDS FOR AREAS OF EXISTING RESIDENCE WERE ISSUED YEARS BEFORE THEY MOVED IN AND BONDS FOR FUTURE PHASES WILL NOT BE THERE OBLIGATIONS. MUCH OF THE LANDSCAPE THAT ALREADY EXISTS ON THE PARKWAY AND ALL THAT WILL BE ADDED LATER IS PLANNED TO BE MAINTAINED BY LAND OWNERS AND PROPOSED DISTRICTS, A BENEFIT TO THE COUNTY THAT DOES NOT HAVE RESOURCES FOR SUCH MAINTENANCE AND RESIDENTS FOR SUCH A LOVELY SITE. MULTIPLE CCD'S COULD SAY THEY DO NOT WANT TO PAY FOR THE PARKWAY LANDSCAPE MAINTENANCE OR THEY DO NOT AGREE ON THE LEVEL REQUIRED OR IN THE FUTURE WHEN THE COUNTY ROAD TO 18 NEEDS TO BE CONNECTED. THE MASTER PLAN IS A VERY DETAILED VISION AND BOTH PROPOSED STEWARDSHIP VISION IS BOUND BY THAT PLAN SO WE KNOW WHAT THE PLAN LOOKS LIKE EVEN THOUGH WE MAY NOT HAVE THE SLOT SIZE. IS WORKING ON MOBILITY PLANS AND LAND OWNERS ARE MAKING SURE WE GET THE INFRASTRUCTURE BUILT WITH STEWARDSHIP DISTRICT.
THEY WILL BE ABLE TO CONTROL AND CONTINUE WITH THE SAME VISION THAT THE COUNTY IMPLEMENTED YEARS AGO THROUGH THE MASTER PLAN. I HAVE ACTUALLY EVEN HEARD THAT IN SOME OF THE LARGE DEVELOPMENTS, EMPLOYEES AND DEVELOPERS HAVE BEEN SO PROUD OF COMMUNITIES YET CONCERNED FOR COMPLETION OF THE OVERALL PLAN THAT THEY HAVE MOVED INTO THE DEVELOPMENT MAKING THEM ELIGIBLE TO BE A VOTING MEMBER AND ABLE TO CONTINUE WITH THAT VISION.
SHE ALSO ASKED WHAT WE DO AND EVERY DEVELOPER COMES WITH US
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AND ASKS FOR A STEWARDSHIP DISTRICT AND OF COURSE THAT IS A-- QUESTION. THEY HAVE PROVED THEY TRULY CARE ABOUT CLAY COUNTY OVER MANY YEARS AND ARE NOT JUST A FLY-BY-NIGHT DEVELOPER AND I AM EXTREMELY CONFIDENT THAT THEY WILL CONTINUE WITH THE VISION AND BEING 100% OPPOSED AS HE HAS SAID TO SELLING THE ENTIRE PROPERTY TO ANOTHER DEVELOPER.IT SEEMS AS A BOARD WE HAD DEVELOPED A SENSE OF TRUST AND THAT IS FROM YEARS OF STRIVING TO BRING THE BEST TO THE COUNTY.
I FEEL WE ARE FORTUNATE FOR THAT TO BE TRUE. WHENEVER I LOOK AROUND IN MY DISTRICT. BUT AS IN ANY DECISION WE SHOULD EVALUATE ANY REQUEST AND IT WOULD NOT BE WISE TO MAKE SUCH AN IMPORTAN ÚDECISION ROUTINE AND SAY YES T EVERY DEVELOPER THAT COMES ALONG. THE UNIQUENESS IS HUGE AND THE RARE OPPORTUNITY WE HAVE TO HAVE ONE LAND OWNER , I DEFINITELY COMMEND WHAT THEY HAVE DONE. I'VE HEARD FROM CREDIBLE SOURCES THAT THERE ARE MANY DISCUSSIONS OF OAK TREES, TRAILS CONSERVATION'S AND FOCUSING ON DOING GOOD THINGS UNLIKE WHAT I HEAR ON A ROUTINE BASIS, SINCE THERE WAS A LARGE AMOUNT OF LOTS IN DEVELOPMENT, THAT'S A NICE WAY OF SAYING IT, IN THE NEAR TERM THEY ARE INVESTING IN A BUSINESS DISTRICT THAT WILL BRING THOUSANDS OF JOBS FOR RESIDENTS. I FEEL CONFIDENT THAT THESE STEWARDSHIP DISTRICTS WOULD BENEFIT OUR COUNTY DECADES FROM NOW AND WOULD LOVE TO HAVE YOUR REPRESENTATIVES SUPPORT. THAT IS WHAT I SENT TO HER AND SHE WANTED TO JUST DISCUSS IT.
WHATEVER YOU ALL WANT TO DISCUSS ON THAT WE SEND IN A LETTER OF SUPPORT AND NOW WE HAVE A LETTER OF SUPPORT FOR THE FEED MILL STEWARDSHIP DISTRICT. I KNOW THAT'S A LOT BUT I REALLY FELT, I'M NOT GREAT WITH BEING SHORT AND SWEET BUT I FELT OF IT WAS THAT IMPORTANT IT NEEDED TO BE SAID. SO WE HAVE A LETTER THAT I WOULD ASK FOR THE CHAIR TO SIGN TO SEND TO OUR DELEGATION AND THEN I WILL BE SPEAKING AT THE DELEGATION MEETING REGARDING
THIS. >> I GUESS I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT HELENA HAD ALSO ASKED TO SPEAK ON THESE ITEMS AND THAT WAS NOT A PUBLIC HEARING SO I'M GOING TO USE THE PRIVILEGE TO LET HER, IF YOU WILL SPEAK ONCE OR--
>> I WILL TRY IT. >> BECAUSE --
>> I REALIZE THAT AWRY WOULD HAVE SPOKEN .
>> HELLO, MY ADDRESS IS ON FILE. I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU AGAIN FOR EVERYTHING THAT Y'ALL ARE DOING. COMMISSIONER BURKE I FULLY UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE STATE SAYING WITH THEIR INTENTIONS AND HEART FOR THIS COMMUNITY. I KNOW THEY'VE DONE TREMENDOUS IN OUR COUNTY . IF Y'ALL WOULD REMEMBER AT THE LAST MEETING AND WHEN I ADDRESSED ROLLING HILLS IN THE BACK OF OUR COMMUNITY WITH ENTRANCES FOR US TO GET OUT, I BEGGED YOU ALL TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THAT WHEN THERE IS ANOTHER CDD THAT COMES IN, THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE A ROAD BACK THERE TO DO. SO WHEN I SAW THE AGENDA TODAY AT 2 O'CLOCK OR SOMETHING AND LOOKING AT IT I SAW IT WAS DISCUSSED AT THE LAST ONE I SAID HOW DID I MISS THAT? BUT IT WAS IN THE CONSENT AGENDA AND I DIDN'T CATCH IT . I'M SORRY. BUT I DID CATCH IT TODAY AND SAID MY GOODNESS THAT'S THE BACK OF OUR COMMUNITY, THE SHADOW LAWN SPECIAL DISTRICT IS GOING TO BUT UP TO IT. THERE IS NO ROAD THAT IS THERE TO SEPARATE OUR COMMUNITY FROM THAT SPECIAL DISTRICT. SO WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WITH OUR COMMUNITY BEING ABLE TO GET IN AND OUT AND THAT USAGE? AS YOU ALL ARE TRYING TO BE PROACTIVE AND UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENT THINGS GOING ON THAT IS A HUGE ONE EVEN FOR THE FEED MILL ONE.
ONE OF THE COMMUNITIES IS IT BUTTING UP TO AND ARE THOSE ABOUT TO BE ENTERING INTO A SPECIAL DISTRICT THAT THEY MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE THE APPROPRIATE ACCESS TO? ANOTHER THING I
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DON'T KNOW IF YOU ALL CAUGHT , IN THE DEFINITION OF LAND OWNER, ON NUMBER 238 IN THE DOCUMENTS , IF YOU HAVE NOT READ THIS ABOUT THE DEFINITION OF A LAND OWNER I WOULD BEG Y'ALL TO TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION. I HAD SPOKEN TO YOU ABOUT MY COMMUNITY AND THE 200 ACRES OF CONSERVATION LAND THAT OUR CURRENT DAY ENGINEER WAS TRYING TO PURCHASE THE BUSINESS AND HE WAS GOING TO PUT IT IN HIS FAMILY TRUST. THIS DOCUMENT FOR THE DEFINITION ACTUALLY HAS THAT IN THERE. LAND OWNER MEANS THE OWNER OF AN ESTATE AS IT APPEARS ON A RECORD INCLUDING A TRUSTEE . IT DOESN'T SPECIFY WHETHER THAT'S MY PERSONAL ONE IN THIS DISTRICT OR IF THAT'S A DIFFERENT TRUST. THAT IS HUGE ALARMING FOR ME. A PRIVATE CORPORATION AND AN OWNER OF A CONDOMINIUM UNIT. THE TERM LAND OWNER DOES NOT INCLUDE A REVERSION OR, A REMAINDERMAN, MORTGAGE, OR ANY GOVERNMENTAL ENTITY WHICH SHALL NOT BE COUNTED AND NEED NOT BE NOTIFIED OF PROCEEDINGS UNDER THIS ACT.THE TERM LAND OWNER ALSO MEANS THE OWNER OF A GROUND LEASE FOR A GOVERNMENTAL ENTITY WHICH CDD'S AND SPECIAL DISTRICTS ARE THE GOVERNMENT AND ASTRAY WHICH LEASEHOLDER INTEREST HAS A REMAINING TERM EXCLUDING ALL RENEWAL OPTIONS SO IT HAS THAT INCLUDED, IN EXCESS OF 50 YEARS. I DON'T DISCREDIT WHAT THEY ARE DOING AND I KNOW THEY HAVE GREAT INTENTIONS BUT WHAT HAPPENS IF SOMEONE SELLS OFF SOME OF THIS STUFF OR IF IT DOESN'T? THOSE ENTITIES THAT ARE GOING TO HAVE EIGHT YEARS OR LONGER OF THEM OWNING AND CONTROLLING , WE'VE SEEN WHAT WE'VE DEALT WITH. IT CHANGES THE DYNAMICS WHEN YOU HAVE A SPECIAL DISTRICT. I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH TIME YOU WOULD ALLOW BUT WHEN YOU THINK OF A CDD , AS A REALTOR, THE PRICING AND THE STUFF IN A COMMUNITY YOU GET TO DECIDE WHICH COMMUNITY YOU WANT TO LIVE IN. AND YOU HAVE A SPECIAL DISTRICT, WHERE THOSE PRICE POINTS GOING TO BE? IT TAKES AWAY SOME OF OUR CHOICES AND YOU CAN CHOOSE DO YOU WANT TO LIVE ÚIN THIS COMMUNITY THOSE PLACES IS KIND OF LIKE YOUR BUDGET HERE IT'S GOING TO BE A CERTAIN AMOUNT BECAUSE OF EVERYTHING THAT YOU HAVE BUT THOSE GOVERNMENT CONTRACTS , AND WE ALREADY SEE SOME OF THESE ESTIMATES AND SOME OF THOSE NUMBERS IT IS MUCH MORE COMPLICATED. ROLLING HILLS ON THE SHADOW LAWN, UNTIL WE CAN FIGURE OUT THE ROAD THAT WILL CONNECT THE BACK OF OUR COMMUNITY. ONCE I REALIZED FEED MILL WAS ON THERE AS WELL IF THAT COMMUNITY BUTTS UP I BEG YOU ALL TO WAIT ON APPROVING THIS. THE WAY IT'S DONE WITH CDD'S IS FINE. IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE THE BIGGER SPECIAL DISTRICT.
>> THANK YOU HELENA. >> COULD I ASK THEIR ATTORNEY TO COME UP AND ANSWER TO THAT? I FEEL I HAVE ALREADY EXPLAINED WHY YOU WOULD WANT TO DO A STEWARDSHIP DISTRICT AS OPPOSED TO MULTIPLE FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT.
>> LET ME START. MY NAME IS WES WITH THE LAW FIRM OF-- AND I AM HERE ON BEHALF OF BOTH PETITIONERS. I WILL START BY ADDRESSING SOME OF THE COMMENTS YOU JUST HEARD. I THINK THE MOST IMPORTANT FACTOR FOR ALL OF YOU TO UNDERSTAND IS WITH RESPECT TO THE ROADWAY ISSUE THAT WAS BROUGHT UP, THE APPROVAL THAT YOU ARE BEING ASKED TO MAKE THIS EVENING IS FOR THE ESTABLISHMENT OF TWO SEPARATE STEWARDSHIP DISTRICTS. THE EXISTENCE OF THOSE DISTRICTS HAS NO IMPACT WHATSOEVER ON THE APPROVALS OF ROADWAYS OR OTHER DEVELOPMENTS WITHIN THE BOUNDARIES OF THOSE DISTRICTS. THEY ARE REFINANCING OPERATIONS AND MAINTENANCE
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MECHANISM THAT ALLOW FOR THE CONSISTENCY THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY FOR NOT ONLY INFRASTRUCTURE BEFORE THE AMENITIES. ALL THE DECISIONS THAT WOULD OTHERWISE BE MADE AS IT RELATES TO THE DEVELOPMENT OF THOSE PROJECTS, THE ROADWAYS WITHIN THOSE PROJECTS WILL REMAIN , IF YOU APPROVE THE RESOLUTION NOT OBJECTING AND THE LETTERS AS WELL. WITH RESPECT TO THE DEFINITION OF A LAND OWNER, THE LANGUAGE THAT WAS READ TO YOU SERVES ONE MAJOR FUNCTION BECAUSE THESE DISTRICTS ALLOW RESIDENTS WITHIN THE DISTRICT TO VOTE IN DIFFERENT WAYS. THERE IS WHAT'S CALLED A LAND OWNER ELECTION AND THEY FALL INTO A GENERAL ELECTION AND THAT'S THE TRANSITION WE TALK ABOUT AND ONE OF THE MAIN REASONS WHY THESE DISTRICTS ARE ASKED FOR, SO THAT DEVELOPERS CAN REMAIN IN CONTROL FOR A LONGER PERIOD OF TIME SO YOU HAVE THE CONSISTENCY AND BENEFITS THAT WERE MENTIONED EARLIER. BUT THAT DEFINITION IS MERELY TO EXPLAIN THAT A LAND OWNER AND THE VARIOUS WAYS THAT A LAND OWNER IS DEFINED IS DISTINGUISHED FROM A RESIDENT IN THE COMMUNITY. A RESIDENT CAN BE A TENANT, AS LONG AS YOU ARE REGISTERED TO VOTE IN CLAY COUNTY AND THE CDD IS YOUR PRIMARY PLACE OF RESIDENCE THAN YOU ARE A RESIDENT AND ABLE TO PARTICIPATE IN THE GENERAL ELECTION AND ABLE TO BE ON THE SPECIAL DISTRICTS BOARD. A LAND OWNER IS DIFFERENT IN THAT THEY ACTUALLY ARE A SIMPLE OWNER PROPERTY WITHIN THE BOUNDARY OF THE DISTRICT. THAT'S THE ONLY REASON WHY THAT LEGISLATION GOES INTO THAT LEVEL OF DETAIL.LASTLY THE POINT I HEARD WITH RESPECT TO -- AND I DID NOT FULLY GRASP THE POINT BEING MADE BUT SOMETHING ABOUT THE CHANGES AND WITH REALTORS AND PEOPLE BEING ABLE TO MAKE DECISIONS ON ONE COMMUNITY OVER ANOTHER, AGAIN THESE DISTRICTS ARE A FINANCING AND MAINTENANCE TOOL FOR THE DEVELOPER TO ENHANCE THE PROJECTS FOR THE COUNTY AND BENEFIT OF THE RESIDENTS.
WHETHER THESE DISTRICTS ARE APPROVED, THE WAY THESE COMMUNITIES WILL LOOK IS INTENDED TO BE THE SAME. THEY ARE BOTH INTENDED TO BE COHESIVE, SINGLE COMMUNITIES WITH THE SAME FEEL AND HOUSE PRICING, ALL THOSE THINGS , ARE INTENDED TO BE THE SAME REGARDLESS OF WHETHER THESE DISTRICTS ARE USED OR NOT. THOSE WERE THE THREE POINTS THAT YOU HEARD. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE . I DON'T WANT TO TAKE YOUR TIME AND TALKING ABOUT POINTS YOU MAY
NOT BE INTERESTED IN HEARING. >> THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS? OTHER DISCUSSION? I CAN TELL YOU MY FEELINGS ARE , I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THE LETTER OF NON-OBJECTION. I'M NOT CRAZY ABOUT A LETTER OF SUPPORT BECAUSE THEY ARE DIFFERENT. A LETTER OF SUPPORT IS SAYING THIS IS WHAT WE WANT. YOU TAKE PEOPLE OUT OF IT. AND I HAD THIS CONVERSATION EARLIER TODAY SO FULL DISCLOSURE I SAID TAKE YOU OUT OF IT. NOTHING MAKES ME THINK THAT REINHOLD WOULD NOT BE AS GENUINE TO CLAY COUNTY AS THEY HAVE BEEN. THEY ARE THE SINGLE LARGEST LAND OWNER IN THE ENTIRE COUNTY. THEY HAVE BEEN A VERY GOOD PARTNER FOR THE COUNTY. GREAT IN THE COMMUNITY. HERE'S WHAT I WILL SAY, THOUGH.
WE ALSO SAT HERE AND LISTENED TO THE-- FAMILY TELL US HOW THEY DIDN'T WANT TO SELL OFF THEIR LAND AND THEY WANTED TO DEVELOP IT THEIR WAY AND THEN HERE WE WERE NOT A YEAR LATER, TWO YEARS LATER I DON'T REMEMBER HOW LONG AND THAT CHANGED. THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO CHANGE THAT. THEY ARE THE LAND OWNER, IT'S THEIR PRIVATE PROPERTY AND THEY HAVE RIGHTS BUT CIRCUMSTANCES CHANGED. AND JUST THE OVERALL CONCEPT OF A STEWARDSHIP DISTRICT IS CONCERNING TO ME BECAUSE ESSENTIALLY WHAT YOU ARE DOING IS CREATING A GOVERNMENT. WE HEARD IT TONIGHT. WE HEARD THE ATTORNEY SAY, I'M SORRY I'M NOT GREAT WITH NAMES SO I DON'T REMEMBER YOUR NAME BUT WE HEARD HIM SAY IN ORDER TO MAINTAIN CONTROL FOR THE DEVELOPER, TO MAINTAIN CONTROL. THIS STEWARDSHIP BASED ON THE OF SHADOW LAWN , THEY WOULD NOT TURN OVER ALL OF THE CONTROL FOR RESIDENTS FOR 25 YEARS. THAT IS
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NOT WHAT A CDD WOULD HAVE. BECAUSE A CDD WOULD REACH THE POINT OF BUILDOUT TO REACH-- TO TURN IT OVER FASTER. I HAVE ONLY ONE CDD IN MY DISTRICT AND I DON'T KNOW A WHOLE LOT ABOUT THEM. I DON'T GET A LOT OF COMPLAINTS BUT IT ACTUALLY IS ONE THAT THE DEVELOPER WENT BELLY UP WHICH I KNOW NOW AND HAVE BEEN TOLD THAT'S ACTUALLY PRETTY RARE THAT THEY GO BELLY UP BUT IT TOOK 20 YEARS FOR THAT PROPERTY TO COME TO FRUITION AND NOW THEY HAVE AMENITY ISSUES THAT THEY ARE NOT WELL MAINTAINED BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T MAINTAIN THE CHARACTER. AND I DIDN'T KNOW A LOT ABOUT OAK LEAF BECAUSE I WAS IN COLLEGE AND HAVING BABIES WHEN THEY WERE BOTH BEING DEVELOPED AND THEN THE MARKET CRASHED INTO THOUSAND EIGHT AND PEOPLE WERE SELLING PARTS OF OAKLEAF FOR PENNIES ON THE DOLLAR AND I WOULD SAY IT TOOK UNTIL JUST RECENTLY FOR IT TO BECOME THE COMMUNITY THAT IT WAS REALLY INTENDED TO BE. SO YOU CREATE THIS DEVELOPMENT WHERE THE DEVELOPER HOLDS ALL THE CARDS OR SOME OF THE CARDS, AND I KNOW IN THE SHADOWLAWN ONE THAT THERE WAS LANGUAGE PUT IN THERE TO TURN OVER MUCH MUCH FASTER TO THE RESIDENTS AND BEFORE. I'M TORN AND I ALSO THINK THERE IS, I DON'T KNOW COURTNEY YOU CAN TELL US FROM A LEGAL STANDPOINT, IS THERE THE ABILITY TO TAKE THESE INDIVIDUALLY? OR ONCE WE CHANGE THE COUNTY AND SAY WE ARE OPEN TO STEWARDSHIP DISTRICTS, TO ME SHADOWLAWN, 9000 ACRES IN THE CENTER OF THE COUNTY WITH -- I KNOW THAT IT HAS QUITE A FEW HOMES BUT THEIR COMMERCIAL DISTRICT IS LARGER THAN THE SAINT JOHNS TOWN CENTER. THIS IS REALLY A DIFFERENCE FOR THE REGION. NOT JUST CLAY COUNTY, IN THEIR DEVELOPMENT. THE FEED MILL IS LIKE GOVERNORS PARK SO WHAT STOPS OF THOSE TYPES OF THINGS AND WOULD WE HAVE A LEG TO STAND ON TO SAY WELL IT'S TO PAY INTO THE LANDSCAPE MAINTENANCE OR ANYOF THAT, I DON'T KNOW. >> I THINK AS COMMISSIONER BURKE SAID YOU HAVE TO EVALUATE EACH ONE AND UNDER THE LEGISLATION IT'S FOR YOU TO EITHER DO THE NON-OBJECTION OR NOT AND REALLY IT'S A LOCAL BUILD FROM THAT POINT ON . THAT'S THE ONLY STEP
YOU REALLY HAVE. >> SO FOR INSTANCE, SAME NOT THE SAME BUT IN THE OLD HARD ROAD SITUATION WHERE THERE IS AN AVENUE FOR LEGAL ACTION WHEN THEY DON'T LIKE OUR DECISION IS THAT THE CASE OR IS THERE NOT REALLY THE SAME KIND OF AVENUE BECAUSE IT GOES THROUGH THE LEGISLATURE?
>> I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION. I DON'T THINK THEY HAVE AN AVENUE TO COME BACK TO YOU. THAT'S TOTALLY DIFFERENT. THAT'S ZONING , NOT TOTALLY THE SAME BUT YOU DECIDING NOT TO ESTABLISH A CDD. FOR THIS, THIS IS NOT YOURS.
IT'S BEING CREATED BY THE STATE. AND THAT MAKES ME UNCOMFORTABLE ALSO IN THAT YOU ARE CREATING A GOVERNMENT ESSENTIALLY, THEY CAN GET TAX-FREE-- I GET WHY A DEVELOPER WOULD WANT IT. WE HEAR THE DEVELOPER CONCERNS.
>> SENATOR BRADLEY SAYS I WOULD RATHER HAVE BEEN ONE OF-- INSTEAD OF ONE STEWARDSHIP DISTRICT I'D RATHER HAVE 50
CDD'S. >> WHICH IS ANOTHER GOVERNMENTAL
>> SENATOR BRADLEY LISTENS TO US. WHAT I WOULD ASK, ROLLING HILLS , THAT IS ONE IN OUR COUNTY. SO I WOULD ASK US AS THE BOARD, THIS IS A NEW CONCEPT COMING TO OUR COUNTY. THIS IS THE CENTER OF OUR COUNTY. THIS IS A BEAUTIFUL ROAD THAT THEY PUT BEAUTIFUL MAGNOLIA TREES THAT I SEE THEM SAY WHY DON'T WE HAVE TREES? BECAUSE THEY WANT THIS TO LOOK THIS WAY. I MET
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THEM RIGHT AFTER I CAME COMMISSIONER AND HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR YEARS. AGRICOLA I VOTED NO THE FIRST TIME AND I SHOULD HAVE VOTED NO THE SECOND TIME. LOOK WHAT THEY DO FOR OUR COMMUNITY. WE KNOW THEY WANT WHAT'S BEST. AND WE KNOW THEY WANT SOMETHING GOOD. IF YOU HAVE MULTIPLE CDD'S YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE DIFFERENT BOARDS. MY PARENTS WANT TO MOVE TO A 55 AND OVER. IT IS AMAZING . OPEN YOUR IDEAS ON YOUR THOUGHT PROCESS TO SOMETHING THAT MAY BE SOMETHING THAT I THINK WILL BE A BEAUTIFUL THING FOR OUR COUNTY THAT WILL PUT US TO THE NEXT LEVEL AND NOT EVERYBODY WANTS TO LIVE IN THIS OVER HERE. I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE ANY IN OUR COUNTY THAT HAVE MULTIPLE. THEY HAVE THE ONE, DOYOU HAVE EXTRA DIFFERENT FEES? >> YES, ONCE YOU'RE DONE, I'LL EXPLAIN HERE. SO ONE FEE BECAUSE THEY HAVE THE SAME VISION FOR THIS ENTIRE AREA, YES, THERE WILL BE DIFFERENT PRICE POINTS.
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THIS HUGE, NO, IT'S GOING TO BE A HUGE TOWN CENTER LIKE THAT. FOR ALL OF OUR RESIDENTS TO ENJOY. THIS IS THE VISION THAT THE MASTER PLAN ASKED, YOU KNOW, THAT SET FORTH OUR COUNTY, TO TAKE IT TO THE NEXT LEVEL TO MAKE IT LOOK IN SUCH AN ATTRACTIVE MANNER THAT PEOPLE NOW HERE, THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE HERE ALREADY CAN MOVE THERE OR, OF COURSE, WE HAVE PEOPLE MOVING HERE DAILY. BUT YOU KNOW, THAT IS MY VISION OF WHY YOU WOULD NOT WANT TO DO MULTIPLE. AND YES, I MEAN, YEAH, YOU CAN TAKE THEM OUT OF IT, BUT WHY? THIS IS WHY, THIS IS HIM. I MEAN, THIS IS WHAT THEY HAVE ASKED TO WAIT THE EXPRESSWAY.
THEY WAITED TO MAKE IT BETTER FOR OUR COMMUNITY. THAT IS WHY THEY'RE DOING IT NOW BECAUSE NOW IS THE TIME. YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T WAIT ANY LONGER NOW BECAUSE THIS IS GOING TO BE A WONDERFUL THING FOR OUR AREA BECAUSE OF THE CHANGE AND THE GROWTH THAT'S HAPPENING. SO YES, I AGREE. HELENA, IF I COULD BUILD THAT ROAD FOR YOU, I WOULD. SOMEBODY IS GOING TO BUILD IT ONE DAY. BUT WE CAN'T PUNISH OTHER AREAS BECAUSE OF THAT BAD APPLE. YOU WERE DEALT A BAD THING THERE, SO ANY WAY,
I'LL MOVE ON. GO AHEAD. >> YEAH.
>> MADAM CHAIR AND COMMISSIONER, I APPRECIATE YOUR PASSION. I AGREE WITH YOU. I'M IN FAVOR OF THIS STEWARDSHIP DISTRICT. I LIVE IN A COMMUNITY. I USED TO LIVE IN ROLLIN HILLS. I THINK THE INTERESTING PART WITH THESE IS EXACTLY WHAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT. I'M HAVING KIND OF A NOSTALGIC MOMENT TODAY. WITH THE COMMISSIONER FOR A DAY KIDS, WE WERE COMING BACK FROM THOSE SERVICES, WE DROVE DOWN THE CATHEDRAL PARKWAY. AND THE ONE THING THAT RANG IN MY HEAD WAS GOVERNMENT, WAS PROACTIVE. LIKE YOU HAVE THIS BEAUTIFUL FOUR LANE ROAD. THEY'RE STARTING TO CLEAR IN THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. BUT I AGREE WITH YOU WHOLEHEARTEDLY THAT THIS GIVES CLAY COUNTY YET AGAIN ANOTHER OPTION, RIGHT? SO WE'RE NOT SAYING THAT THE ENTIRE COUNTY IS A STEWARDSHIP DISTRICT, BUT SOME OF THE EXAMPLES, AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT WILD LIGHT IN NASSAU, THAT'S A STEWARDSHIP? I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE EVER BEEN UP THERE IN NASSAU COUNTY, BUT BEAUTIFUL, THE HOME DEPOTS, THEY ALL HAVE THE SAME. IT'S VERY CLEAN, IT'S NICE, IT'S PUT TOGETHER. TO ME, IT GIVES MORE OF A COMMUNITY FEEL. THERE IS SOMETHING TO BE SAID FOR LOCAL CONTROL, AND I APPRECIATE THAT AS WELL. BUT WHEN YOU'RE TALKING MASTER PLAN COMMUNITIES, IT'LL ALLOW TO BUILD THAT BIGGER -- I THINK IT DEPENDS ON WHO YOU ASK IN EAGLE HARBOR AND
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THE PLANTATION. THERE WILL BE SOMETHING TO BE SAID IF THAT IS ALL ONE THING. NOT US VERSE THEM, YOU KNOW, KIND OF FUN MENTALITY THAT IT IS SOMETIMES. I'M IN FAVOR OF IT. ULTIMATELY IT'S UP TO THE STATE DELEGATION, BUT I'M IN FAVOR OF IT FOR THE HARD WORK THAT THEY HAVE PUT IN. THE VISION THEY'VE SET FORTH. THEY PUT THEIR MONEY WHERE THEIR MOUTH WAS WITH BUILDING ROADS AND BEING PROACTIVE. AND FOR THAT, I'M IN SUPPORT OF A STEWARDSHIP FOR THIS AREA.>> LET ME ASK YOU BOTH ONE QUESTION BECAUSE THEY'RE KIND OF CLUMPED TOGETHER FOR THIS CONVERSATION, BUT THEY'RE NOT CLUMPED TOGETHER, AND WE HAVE TO VOTE ON THEM SEPARATELY. AGAIN, I DON'T HAVE ANY ISSUE WITH IT. I'M GRATEFUL FOR THE ROAD THEY GAVE. BUT THE ROAD IS THE COUNTY ROAD. LIKE THEY BUILT A PART OF THE ROAD, BUT NOW IT'S THE COUNTY'S.
>> THEY MAINTAIN THE LANDSCAPE. THEY WILL FOREVER.
>> AS LONG AS THEY DON'T GO AGAINST THAT.
>> IS THAT IN WRITING? >> YES, IT'S MAINTENANCE. I FORGET WHAT IT IS CALLED, BUT YES, WE HAVE A LOCAL AGREEMENT.
>> WE DON'T WANT THEM. >> THAT IS MY QUESTION FOR YOU.
IF WE HAVE THAT AGREEMENT TODAY, THEY CAN'T CHANGE THAT,
CORRECT? SO -- >> WHAT WE HAVE IS VERY SIMILAR DISTRICT, AND THIS IS ACTUALLY WHICH A SIMILAR AGREEMENT THAT WE MODEL THIS ONE AFTER, WHICH IS UP IN OAK LEAF. I FORGET WHETHER IT IS DOUBLE, BRANCH. SO THEY PREFER TO HAVE A MUCH HIGHER STANDARD THAN WHAT THE COUNTY CAN. SO WHAT THEY PROVIDE FOR. THEY CAN DO THAT STANDARD. IF FOR SOME REASON THEY DECIDE NOT TO DO THAT, IT'LL GO BACK TO THE COUNTY LEVEL.
>> RIGHT. MY QUESTION FOR YOU IS BECAUSE THESE ARE NOT TWO STEWARDSHIPS, THESE ARE TWO SEPARATE STEWARDSHIP DISTRICTS, BOTH SHARING CAPACITY ON CATHEDRAL PARKWAY, BUT THEY ARE NOT CONNECTED. SO THEY ALSO COULD MAKE THAT DECISION TO NOT MAINTAIN? TO ME, IT IS NOT ABOUT NECESSARILY THE PARKWAY. BUT MY QUESTION FOR YOU IS WHAT'S -- I GET SHADOWLAWN. IT'S 9,000 ACRES, IT'S HUGE, IT'S DIFFERENT, IT'S DIVERSE.
SHOPPING IS VERY DIFFERENT THAN ANYTHING CLAY COUNTY HAS, NO OFFENSE TO ORANGE PARK MALL THAT'S YOUNGER THAN ME. BUT WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE? WHY SHOULD WE WANT TO DO THIS SPECIFICALLY INSTEAD OF THE TWO? I MEAN, THAT IS REALLY BECAUSE THAT ONE TO ME IS THE ONE THAT I'M QUESTIONING. IT IS NOT, LIKE I SAID, I HAVE NO ISSUE WITH THE LETTER OF NON-OBJECTION. BUT MY QUESTION FOR YOU IS I HAVEN'T HEARD WHY, EXCEPT FOR WHEN THEY CAME IN AND DESCRIBED IT LAST YEAR TO US, WHEN I MET WITH THEM LAST YEAR. I DID NOT MEET WITH THEM THIS YEAR. I HAVEN'T HEARD WHY IT IS A BENEFIT. WHAT THE BENEFIT WOULD BE TO COMBINING THOSE TWO, AS OPPOSED TO LIKE THINGS SEEM TO WORK FINE. THINGS SEEM TO WORK FINE IN THE PLANTATION.
EVEN IN MY ONE, YOU KNOW, ASIDE FROM THE FACT THAT THE MAINTENANCE OF THE AMENITIES ISN'T THE BEST. THEY ALL PAY IN AND IT WORKS, SO I GUESS THAT IS THE PART I'M STRUGGLING WITH.
WHAT SEPARATES THAT? HERE IS WHY I'M ASKING. I THINK THAT'S THE ONE THAT WILL BE HARDER FOR US TO OBJECT TO IN THE FUTURE. I'M NOT SAYING FROM A LEGAL STANDPOINT, JUST FROM A CONSISTENCY, YOU KNOW, JUST FROM WOULD WE PICK AND CHOOSE? THAT ONE, THINGS LOOK LIKE IT LIKE GOVERNOR PARK.
>> I'M GOING TO SPEAK, BUT I WOULD LIKE FOR LIAM TO ADD TO WHAT I'M SAYING. THE REASON FOR ME IS, AGAIN, YOU HAVE CDCS.
LIAM, ARE YOU ON DAY ONE? >> YES.
>> SO THEY ARE STILL ASSOCIATED WITH FEED MILL, NO MATTER WHAT.
THEY DON'T WANT TO FIND THE LANDSCAPING. THEY WOULD ACTUALLY THEN BE ABLE TO MAKE THOSE DECISIONS AS OPPOSED TO HAVING
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THE SAME VISION ON THAT PROPERTY. SO MAYBE YOU COULD ADDTO THE CONCERN THERE? >> YEAH, 1845 TOWN CENTER BOULEVARD. I THINK THERE IS MAYBE THREE TO FOUR THINGS THAT I WANT TO TOUCH ON BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO FORGET GOING BACK. LET ME JUMP BACK TO THE CONCERN. I THINK STEWARDSHIP DISTRICT AND FOR THAT MATTER REALLY WOULD PROBABLY INCREASE THE PROBABILITY OF GETTING A ROAD CONNECTING TO ROLLING HILLS, ALLOWING THAT SECONDARY ACCESS VERSES THE COUNTY BUILDING THAT ROAD THROUGH MOBILITY FEES THAT THEY COLLECT.
AND I ALSO WANT TO POINT OUT JUST THOSE DISCUSSIONS YOU WERE HAVING WITH ITEM 24 ON THE AGENDA, COMMISSIONER COMPERE, HOW DO WE PREEMPT IT HAD AND BE PROACTIVE? AND COMMISSIONER, YOU TOUCHED ON THIS FOR A SECOND, BUT THIS IS HOW YOU DO THAT.
THIS IS GOOD PLANNING. THIS IS BUILDING THAT ROAD TODAY WHEN THERE IS ZERO DEVELOPMENT ON EITHER SIDE OF IT IS THE EXACT PREVENTION THAT HAPPENED TO THESE GENTLEMEN HERE. SO THE STEWARDSHIP DISTRICT STRUCTURE SETS THAT IN PLACE AND ALLOWS A LONG-TERM VISION, WHICH BY THE WAY WAS NOT SET BY RHINEHOLD TO BE IMPLEMENTED OVER A LONGER PERIOD OF TIME. IN THE STRUCTURE, LIKE ROLLING HILLS, THAT BOARD STARTS TO TURN OVER IN SIX YEARS, DEPENDING ON MARKETS, THINGS LIKE THAT, WHICH AT THE SCALE OF 9,000 ACRES, NOT TO SPEAK ON FEEDING ON THE BEHALF, BUT THE SCALE OF 2,000 ACRES, SIX YEARS IS NOT ENOUGH TIME TO SEE THAT VISION THROUGH. IT IS JUST A FUNCTION OF THE ECONOMIC MARKET AND ECONOMIC CYCLES. SO THE DISTRICT WILL ALLOW THE LANDOWNER, WHO I WOULD ARGUE CERTAINLY HAS A VERY, VERY LONG VESTED INTEREST IT IN CLAY COUNTY TO ALLOW THE EXTENSION OF THE PARKWAY TO THE NEXT PHASE. I MENTIONED THIS EXAMPLE TO COMMISSIONER BURKE WHEN WE SPOKE. IF IT GETS TURNED OVER AND YOU'RE SIX, SEVEN, EIGHT, AND THREE RESIDENTS CONTROL THE BOARD. NEXT BOND ISSUANCE IS NEEDED TO CONNECT TO ROLLING HILLS. AGAIN, I'M MAKING UP A FICTITIOUS SCENARIO. ON LAND THAT THEY DON'T OWN. THEY'RE IN PHASE ONE, WHICH MAY BE SOMEWHERE ELSE ON THE PROPERTY. AND THE NEXT HAD PHASE NEEDS TO BE FUNDED BY BONDS. AGAIN, MAINTAIN NOT ONLY OR MAINTAINED BY THE DISTRICT AS WELL, NOT THE COUNTY. IT FACILITATES THAT TOOL AND IT REALLY ALLOWS THAT VISION TO BE EXECUTED ON. SO I THINK SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT THEY BROUGHT UP AND SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT YOU GUYS HAVE HERE TONIGHT, IT IS ACTUALLY THE SOLUTION TO THAT, ESPECIALLY IF YOU HAVE A LARGE STAKE HOLDER THAT OWNS THE LAND AND REALLY BUYS INTO THE MASTER PLAN, WHICH I WOULD ARGUE THEY CERTAINLY DO. I THINK ON THE MAINTENANCE IS THE OTHER ONE YOU MENTIONED. YEAH, THE COUNTY, I THINK IT MIGHT BE PRIVY TO MY TIME, BUT THEY WANTED TO OWN THE RIGHT OF WAY FOR THAT, BUT THAT'S A BIG ROAD. WE ELECTED TO ADD THE OUTER LANES, ELECTED TO DO LANDSCAPING, AND WE'LL LIKELY DO MORE LANDSCAPING IN THE FUTURE. IT LOOKS GOOD NOW, BUT IT WOULD LOOK BETTER IN THE FUTURE. AGAIN, I WON'T SPEAK, BUT THEY HAVE THEIR OWN LANDSCAPE ENHANCEMENTS. YEAH, I THINK AN INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT WILL ALLOW THE DISTRICTS TO MAINTAIN THAT ROAD BY ONE DISTRICT. IN THIS CASE, POTENTIALLY ACROSS THE WHOLE SPAN. BUT DEALING WITH TWO DISTRICTS VERSES 12, 13, 14 WITH THEIR ROADS, I WOULD ARGUE IT WOULD BE A MUCH BIGGER OPTION FOR THE COUNTIES THAT ARE IN DISAGREEMENT ON THEIR ANNUAL BUDGET SEASON AND IF THEY SHOULD RAISE THEIR DUES OR NOT BECAUSE THAT LANDSCAPE WENT UP, THE MASTER PLAN VISION, WHICH IS MEANT TO BE A GREAT MIXED USE COMMUNITY. SO I THINK I ADJUST AND TALKED ON THE THREE THINGS THAT I WANTED TO MENTION. DID I MISS ANYTHING?
>> WE WILL SAY SENATOR BRADLEY HAD MORE CONCERNS OVER THE LARGE ONE COMPARED INSTEAD. SO MAYBE TOUCH ON THAT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW,
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JUST AS EVERYONE IS SAYING, I MEAN, REALLY, WE'RE VOTING ON THIS. HOWEVER, IT'S THE STATE THAT HAS TO DECIDE. HOWEVER, SENATOR BRADLEY, IF SHE DOESN'T AGREE, THEN CHANCES OF IT HAPPENING ARE SLIM. SO THAT IS WHY, YOU KNOW, I NEED HER TO UNDERSTAND WHY WE THINK IT IS FOR THE BEST. BUT HERS IS BECAUSE OF IT NOT BEING FINISHED FOR DECADES.>> RIGHT. AND TO THAT POINT, IN ADDITION TO WHAT I MENTIONED ABOUT THE LENGTH OF TIME IT TAKES TO EXECUTE AND BUILD. THE OTHER PART OF IT IS THE SHADOWLAWNDISTRICT,FAIRLYEARLYTO
>>ANDTHEFIRSTSEATISPROBABLYSOONE R,SOTHEREACTUALLYISARESIDENTVOIC ETHATWOULDBEONTHEBOARD,ASSUMINGI TWILLTRAVELTHROUGH.
INBOTHCASESVERYEARLY,SOTHATDOESP ROVIDEARESIDENTVOICE. A RESIDENT VOICE. BUT I THINK ONE OF HER CONCERNS, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE ABILITY FOR A LANDOWNER CONTROLLED BOARD TO ISSUE BONDS ON LAND OR ON RESIDENTS, AND THEY DON'T HAVE A SAY. I THINK THE REALITY IS THE BONDS THAT ARE BEING ISSUED ARE ON FUTURE PHASES. WES COULD PROBABLY SPEAK TO THIS IN MORE DETAILS. I DON'T REALLY KNOW OF ANY SCENARIOS WHERE A RESIDENT AND, AGAIN, MAYBE ROLLING HILLS IS A GOOD EXAMPLE. BUT WHERE A LANDOWNER BOARD ISSUES MORE BONDS ON TOP OF WHAT THEY BOUGHT INTO. WHEN THEY BUY THEIR HOUSE, THAT BOND AMOUNT IS A NON-COMMODITY. YOU HAVE THE OPTION TO PAY IT OFF . THE NEXT PHASE IS ALREADY LIVING THERE. THEY'RE NOT TAKING THAT BOND DEBT. THEY'RE SERVICING THEIRS. IN A WAY, IT'S A WAY FOR THEM TO PAY FOR GROWTH THEMSELVES. THEY ARE NOT PAYING FOR THE NEW GROWTH IN PHASE NINE. BUT THEY ARE PAYING FOR PHASE NINE ONLY.
AND SO IT REALLY IS A WAY FOR NEW GROWTH TO PAY FOR ITSELF. SO I THINK THAT, AGAIN, AT ITS CORE. I DO THINK THAT IT SOUNDS A LITTLE SCARIER WHEN YOU SAY THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO ISSUE BONDS WITHOUT A SAY. BUT WHEN YOU ACTUALLY LOOK AT THE LOGISTICS OF HOW IT OCCURS OVER THE TIMELINE AND THE LONG-TERM DEVELOPMENT. I ARGUE IF YOU TALK TO OTHER LARGE DISTRICTS IN THE STATE AND THEIR RESIDENTS, I WOULD SAY THEY'RE PRETTY HAPPY WITH THEIR AMENITIES AND THEIR ROADS AND LEVEL OF MAINTENANCE.
AND THE COUNTY IS ALSO HAPPY THAT THE DISTRICT ITSELF IS PAYING FOR THE MAINTENANCE OF THOSE THINGS AND NOT ALL THE COUNTY RESIDENTS, WHICH ON THE SMALL SCALE, ON THE LOT, MAYBE THAT'S NOT AS BIG OF A CONCERN. BUT ON A SCALE, THOSE MAINTENANCE COSTS OF THOSE ROADS ARE REAL CONCERN THAT I THINK IT WILL ALLOW THAT NEW GROWTH TO AGAIN, NOT ONLY ALLOW TO PAY FOR THE CONSTRUCTION, BUT PAY FOR THE MAINTENANCE.
>> THOUGH THEY MOVE IN, THEY KNOW THEIR FEES. THE NEW BONDS, PHASED IN, WHATEVER PEOPLE. THEY'RE GOING TO KNOW THEIR FEES WHEN THEY MOVE IN, YET THE GROWTH IS ABLE TO HAPPEN BECAUSE THEY WERE ABLE TO GET THOSE BONDS ISSUED?
>> TO BUILD THE NEW ROADS, DAY ONE, AND THE MASTER PLAN AND THE MOBILITY PLAN THAT I KNOW THEY'RE WORKING ON UPDATING NOW. SO IT WILL ALLOW THAT, THOSE ROADS TO BE LAID OUT IN A WAY TO PLAN FOR THE NEXT PHASE, SO YOU DON'T GET INTO A SITUATION, WHERE I ONLY HAVE TWO LANES WORTH OF THE ROAD. WELL, YOU COULD LOOK AHEAD AND SAY ALL RIGHT, THIS NEEDS TO BE FOUR LANS. YOU WILL EITHER BUILD THAT TODAY OR BUILD TWO TODAY AND YOU HAVE ROOM TO WIDEN THOSE LATER, AND THEY'RE KNOWN. IT'S REALLY A WAY TO MASTER PLAN IN A MUCH LARGER SCALE, WHICH WE BELIEVE IS THE INTENT OF THE MASTER PLAN IN THAT AREA. BUT YES, THE HOMEOWNER THAT IS LIVING IN THEIR HOUSE IN PHASE TWO, IF THERE IS FUTURE BOND ISSUES ON PHASE TEN, IT IS NOT GOING TO HANG THOSE BONDS. BY THE WAY, THAT IS THE CASE.
THAT'S NOT UNIQUE TO EITHER. THAT'S THE SAME.
>> BUT THEY CAN DECIDE THEY DON'T WANT TO ISSUE THOSE BONDS
OR WHATEVER FOR PHASE TEN? >> YES.
>> THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE THERE? >> YES. THAT'S THE SCARY PART AS A LANDOWNER, FULL DISCLOSURE IS YOU GET INTO YEAR FIVE.
THINGS ARE GOING WELL. THE NEXT TOWN CENTER DISTRICT OR WHATEVER
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SCHOOLS, PARKS. I MEAN, WE'RE NOT JUST TALKING ABOUT ROADS HERE, BUT OTHER INFRASTRUCTURES. THEY'RE NEEDED TO BUILD THAT ROAD TODAY. AND IF RESIDENTS CONTROL THE BOARD, MAYBE THEY MIGHT SAY YEAH, WE WANT TO BUILD THE ROAD AND APPROVE THAT BOND ISSUANCE. BUT IT'S JUST A WAY TO ENSURE A LONGER TERM EXECUTION OF THE PLAN FOR THE BOND FINANCING FOR THE FUTURE PHASES. AND ALSO TOO, I MEAN, FOR TRANSPARENCY PURPOSES, I MEAN, THERE'S MONTHLY MEETINGS AND ALL THE STUFF IS DISCLOSED AND TALKED ABOUT AT MEETINGS FOR A LONG TIME, WELL IN ADVANCE OF THOSE BONDS BEING ISSUED, SO THEY DO HAVE INPUT ON THAT.>> YEAH, I GET ALL THAT AND I HEAR YOU. BUT HERE IS MY QUESTION ON THAT. IF THE MAJORITY OF THAT BOARD, FIVE-MEMBER BOARD DOES NOT TURN OVER FOR 25 YEARS. IF YOU MAINTAIN THREE SEATS FOR 25 YEARS, YOU CAN ALSO RAISE THE FEES ON THE FIRST PERSON WHO MOVED IN THERE? BECAUSE HERE --
>> BONDS ARE OEM. >> SO I'M JUST SAYING FEES OVERALL AND THAT HOMEOWNER. SO NOW IN MY CDC, WHAT RAISED THE WHOLE ISSUE AND HOW I FOUND OUT I HAD ONE IS THAT THEY GOT UPSET BECAUSE THEIR BOARD, THEIR FIVE-MEMBER BOARD, STARTED RAISING THE FEES, TRYING TO MAKE SOME OF THESE AMENITIES NICER.
THEY WENT FROM $400 A YEAR TO $1,000 A YEAR, TO THEN $11,500 A YEAR. SO, YOU KNOW, FOR YOUR HOMEOWNER IN THAT BATH, LESS THAN $300,000 HOME. THAT'S A LOT. THAT'S MORE THAN THEIR MORTGAGE PAYMENT. AND SO WHAT THE SOLUTION WAS. THEY WANTED THEM TO STEP IN AND DISTHEM. WE GOT THEM TO TAKE THE ROUTE THAT THEY ARE SUPPOSE TO. RUN FOR YOUR SEAT OR A VOICE. BUT THEY COULD DO THAT BECAUSE THEY HAVE FIVE MEMBERS. THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS WERE BUILT OUT. SO IF YOU HAVE 25 YEARS AND YOU DECIDE YOU NEED TO RAISE, NOT YOU SPECIFICALLY. THE DEVELOPERS. I THINK IT IS REALLY IMPORTANT TO KEEP PEOPLE OUT OF IT AND DEAL WITH THE ENTITY. IF THEY DECIDE WE'RE GOING TO RAISE THE FEES BECAUSE WE NEED MORE LANDSCAPE COSTS OR WE HAVE MORE MAINTENANCE COST, YOU ACTUALLY COULD PUT MORE FEES ON THE HOMEOWNERS WITH NO ABILITY TO VOTE SOMEBODY OUT IN THE NEXT CYCLE. THEY WILL HAVE ONE SEAT FOR 1,500 PEOPLE.
>> TECHNICALLY IT IN THAT SCENARIO, YES. BUT YOU JUST DESCRIBED THAT. WEREN'T THEY RAISING IT ON THEMSELVES?
>> RIGHT. >> THAT IS EXACTLY OUR FEAR.
>> BUT THEY HAVE THE CONTROL TO THEN IN THE NEXT ELECTION CYCLE, TWO YEARS LATER, VOTE THOSE PEOPLE OFF.
>> THEN LOWER THE FEES, INCREASE THE FEES TWO YEARS LATER, THEN LOWER THE FEES AGAIN. THE INCONSISTENCY WILL BUILD AND
BUILD AND THERE IS NO -- >> BUT THEY HAVE CONTROL. THEY
DO HAVE CONTROL. >> WHAT WOULD BE DIFFERENT?
>> I MEAN, THE LANDOWNER, AGAIN, IN OUR SCENARIO, I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK TO THEM. BUT THE CONSISTENCY IN THOSE FEES IS THAT IS THE BEAUTY OF IT. THERE IS NO DESIRE ON OUR END TO WAKE UP TOMORROW AND INCREASE THE LANDSCAPING, MAINTENANCE COST.
WE WANT TO HAVE FLEXIBILITY ACROSS THE BOARD. THAT'S GOOD FOR LAND VALUES, NOT ONLY FOR THE COUNTY, IT'S GOOD FOR THE REGION. BUT THAT IS EXACTLY THE BEAUTY OF THE STRENGTH OF HAVING
>> YES. WE HAVE A LONG-TERM VESTED INCREASE IN THIS PROPERTY, WHICH IS 9,000 ACRES. THERE IS NOTHING SOLD. SO OVERTIME AS THAT HAPPENS, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE IT'S THERE.
WE HAVE A VESTED INTEREST AS FAR AS HOMEOWNERS. I'M FRUSTRATED, MAD AT MY NEIGHBORS. YOU SEE THAT WHERE THEY ARE CONSTANTLY FLIPPING AROUND. THIS STABLE STRUCTURE SOLVES THAT. THEY CAN EXECUTE ON THAT AND NOT RAISE FEES OR LOWER THEM CONSTANTLY.
>> OKAY. IF THE DEVELOPER NEEDS TO SELL HOMES, YOU KNOW, SO THE
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INCONSISTENCY. NOBODY WANTS TO GET IN THE PROJECT WHERE IT IS INCONSISTENT. I THINK THEY PROVIDE THAT CONSISTENCY WITH THE LONG-TERM VISION AND THE EFFICIENCY COMPONENT. WE HAVEN'T DISCUSSED THAT. BUT THEY HAVE MULTIPLE LEGAL COUNCILS, MULTIPLE ACCOUNTANTS, THINGS LIKE THAT. YOU WOULD HAVEONE PER YEAR. >> THAT'S A GREAT POINT.
ARGUABLY FOR THE SIMPLE MATH, IF THE STEWARDSHIP IS ONE DISTRICT VERSES TEN, THAT'S NOT TO CALL THEM. IT IS TEN WEST HABERS OR THE MANAGEMENT COMPANIES, TEN SETS OF SUPERVISOR FEES.
>> CAN I ASK A QUESTION? YOU WOULD HAVE MORE THAN TWO BECAUSE IT WOULD BE EACH NEIGHBORHOOD OR WHATEVER, EACH PHASE, WOULDN'T
IT? >> YEAH, THEY ARE ALSO A VERY UNIQUE PROJECT, BENEFITING LARGELY FROM THE STEWARDSHIP DISTRICT. IT'S ANTICIPATED TO HAVE FOUR AND THE CONSISTENCY.
IT'S SMALLER. AS A RESULT, THEIR TURNOVER PROVISIONS IN THE ACT ARE DIFFERENT, AND IT WILL TURN OVER MORE QUICKLY. BECAUSE IT IS SMALLER. IT ACCOUNTS FOR THAT. BUT THE SAME PREMISE THAT WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING TODAY WILL APPLY TO BOTH PROJECTS. THE LARGER PART OF CATHEDRAL OAK AND THEN THE ONE ABOVE IT.
>> WE'VE ALWAYS INTENDED, SORRY, DAVE MCCORMICK, REPRESENTING THE OWNER, THE DISTRICT OVER THE DISTRICT. WE ALWAYS INTENDED TO HAVE A MINIMUM OF THREE, WHICH WILL MOST LIKELY BE FOR THE TOTAL PROJECT IF WE WORK TOGETHER FOR THE ROUTE.
>> CAN I ADD ONE MORE THING THAT I SHOULD HAVE STARTED WITH WHEN I BEGAN BECAUSE YOU MENTIONED GEORGE AGAIN. UNFORTUNATELY HE COULD NOT BE HERE TONIGHT. HE'S TRAVELING AND GOT STUCK ON A PLANE THAT'S BEEN DELAYED FIVE HOURS AT THIS POINT. SO HE WANTS TO LET YOU GUYS KNOW WE FULLY PLANNED ON HIM BEING HERE. BUT HE GOT STUCK IN A CONNECTING FLIGHT SOMEWHERE IN THE UNITED STATES SOMEWHERE, SO JUST WANTED TO MENTION THAT. OBVIOUSLY I DID NOT KNOW YOU WERE GOING TO READ THAT E-MAIL, BUT I THINK THAT SPEAKS TO HIM SPECIFICALLY. AND REALLY THE FAMILY AND KIND OF WHAT THEY'VE INVESTED IN CLAY COUNTY. NOT ONLY THROUGH THE PARKWAY, BUT SCHOOL SITES, YOU KNOW. I PERSONALLY HAVE MET WITH SCHOOL BOARD LEADERSHIP AND WHAT MAKES SENSE FOR THE COUNTY. NOT JUST THE PROPERTY THAT THEY OWN. AND I KNOW YOU MENTIONED THIS IN YOUR LETTER. WHERE IT'S WHAT'S RIGHT FOR THE COUNTY IS A PART OF EVERY SINGLE DISCUSSION, WHAT THE VISION IS FOR THE FAMILY. IT IS TRULY THE MASTER PLAN. DOES IT MAKE MORE SENSE TO LOOK AT SOMETHING OVER HERE. I JUST WANTED TO SHARE THAT WITH YOU.
IF GEORGE WAS HERE, HE WOULD SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE FAMILY TO
THAT AFFECT. >> I'D LIKE TO ADD, HOPE YOU DON'T MIND, THAT THIS WHOLE PROJECT, THIS WHOLE THING IS BASED REALLY ON WHAT YOUR CAREER IS BASED ON. I MEAN, REALLY.
>> YOU WEREN'T SUPPOSE TO CALL ME OUT, OKAY.
>> IF IT MEANS THAT MUCH TO YOU. >> I PERSONALLY HAD A PREVIOUS REAL ESTATE CAREER. NO KNOCK ON CIVIL ENGINEERS. BUT MY PASSION WAS MAYBE ELSEWHERE, BUT THAT WAS MY BACKGROUND. YES, RECENTLY JOINED THE CORPORATION TO REALLY MANAGE THEIR REAL ESTATE ASSETS.
FOR ME PERSONALLY, IT WAS A CAREER DECISION. WHEN I LOOK AT THE LENGTH OF TIME IT TAKES TO EXECUTE. THE FACT THERE'S NO HURRY. LET'S DO THIS RIGHT. THOSE ARE THE THINGS TO ME THAT SCREAMED INTEGRITY. THAT'S THE KIND OF PEOPLE I WANT TO WORK
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FOR. WITH THE EXPRESSWAY OPENING, I THINK IT'S A NATURAL NEXT STEP FOR THAT AND ALLOWS FOR THEM TO BE A MASTER PLAN.>> OTHER DISCUSSION? I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. WE REALLY NEED TO TAKE 25 SEPARATELY FROM 34. I GUESS THE APPROVAL AND THE LETTER OF SUPPORT. ARE THOSE SEPARATE VOTES?
>> YEAH, HOWEVER YOUR MOTION IS, IT'S FINE. YOU CAN EITHER COMBINE THEM AS ONE MOTION OR TAKE THEM SEPARATE.
>> I WOULD LIKE, MADAM CHAIR, FOR US TO SEPARATE THOSE. POINT WELL TAKEN THAT A LETTER OF OBJECTION IS DIFFERENT THAN A
LETTER OF SUPPORT. >> SO YOU'RE SAYING SPLIT 25.
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? >> ALL RIGHT. I'LL MAKE A
MOTION TO APPROVE RESOLUTION. >> OKAY, WE HAVE A MOTION, DO WE
HAVE A SECOND? >> I'LL SECOND.
>> OKAY, A MOTION AND SECOND. FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN
FAVOR, INDICATE BY SAYING AYE? >> AYE.
>> THOSE OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES, 5-0. I'LL ENTERTAIN A
MOTION ON THE LETTER OF SUPPORT. >> I WOULD MAKE A MOTION FOR THE LETTER OF SUPPORT FOR STEWARDSHIP DISTRICT LOCAL BILL.
>> SECOND. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A
SECOND. DISCUSSION? >> WHERE IS THE REQUIREMENT FOR THE LETTER OF SUPPORT? WHERE DID THAT COME FROM? THE ONLY REQUIREMENT IS THE LETTER OF NO OBJECTION, CORRECT?
>> IN THE STATUTE, ONLY FOR THE NOTICE OF NON-OBJECTION. BUT I THINK COMMISSIONER CAN EXPAND ON IT MORE. SENATOR BRADLEY WANTED
THE LETTER OF SUPPORT. >> HE'S THE SPONSOR OF THE BILL. HE'S THE ACTUALLY SPONSOR FOR THE BILL. AND I THINK THE REASON THE LETTER OF SUPPORT CAME IS BECAUSE THE FIRST NOTICE WAS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA, WHICH WE DISCUSSED TO HAVE IT OR NOT.
SO THAT'S WHY NOW ON NEW BUSINESS IS THE FEED MILL. THE SENATOR, I THINK WANTED TO MAKE SURE YOU DISCUSSED IT.
I ASKED FOR THE DISTINCTION TO BE DRAWN. MAINLY BECAUSE OF MY POSITION ON THE STEWARDSHIP DISTRICT, THE CDCS IN GENERAL.
WE HAD THIS CONVERSATION BEFORE. I KNOW IT'S NOT A POPULAR POSITION TO TAKE, AND I REALLY DON'T CARE. I DON'T BELIEVE IT'S A GOVERNMENT FUNCTION TO FACILITATE BOND FINANCING TO THE DEVELOPERS. AND SO TO ISSUE A LETTER OF SUPPORT WOULD BE OPPOSITE OF THE POSITION THAT I'VE TAKEN IN THE PAST. AND SO COMMISSIONER, THE LETTER IS BECAUSE YOU'RE INSISTING ON MOVING IN THIS DIRECTION, BUT I WOULDN'T HAVE DONE THAT. LIKE FOR ME IN MY OWN DISTRICT. I WOULDN'T HAVE DONE IT. THAT'S WHY THE LETTER OF SUPPORT WOULD BE DISINGENUOUS IF I WERE TO
HAVE VOTED IN THAT WAY. >> ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? OKAY, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, INDICATE BY
>> MOTION CARRIES, 3-2. OF COURSE, AS THE CHAIRMAN, I WOULD HAVE TO SIGN IT. I WILL SIGN IT. I WILL. DON'T WORRY. I WILL.
[34. Letter of Support for Shadowlawn Stewardship District Local Bill]
ALL RIGHT, ITEM NUMBER 34. IT'S NOT PERSONAL. IT'S THE LETTER OF SUPPORT FOR SHADOWLAWN STEWARDSHIP DISTRICT.>> DO WE HAVE A MOTION? >> IF I COULD MAKE A MOTION ON LETTER OF SUPPORT FOR SHADOW LAWN STEWARDSHIP DISTRICT LOCAL
>> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, INDICATE BY SAYING AYE?
>> AYE. >> THE MOTION CARRIES, 3-2. SO BOTH OF THOSE ITEMS PASSED. IF THERE WAS ANY GRAY IN THE
[35. Tourist Development Council Meeting Minutes September 3, 2025]
[36. Bid Opening Tabulation (K Smith)]
[PUBLIC COMMENTS]
[04:25:02]
CONVERSATION. ITEM NUMBER 35, TDC MINUTES AND BID TABULATION FOR SERVICES. WE ARE TO OUR SECOND PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD. I DO NOT HAVE ANY CARDS. ASKING FOR THIS. ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK AT THE SECOND PUBLIC COMMENT?>> YES, THANK YOU. >> I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU AGAIN. I GREATLY APPRECIATE EVERYTHING THEY DID ON CATHEDRAL OAKS, AND THEY WERE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT ON THE FORWARD-THINKING OF CATHEDRAL OAKS PARKWAY IN DEVELOPING THAT ROAD THE WAY THEY DID. WHEN YOU DRIVE DOWN IT, YOU SEE EVERYTHING PLANNED OUT. WE CAN ALL SEE THAT. IT'S IN OUR FACE. THAT'S THE BEST WAY TO DO IT. JUST LIKE EVERYBODY SAYS WHY DIDN'T THIS GET BUILT BEFORE THE HOMES CAME? SO YOU DID LEARN AND YOU DID DO.
WE'RE GRATEFUL. SO PLEASE UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT WHEN IT DOES COME TO THE SPECIAL DISTRICT AND THAT LARGER SCALE, YOU KNOW, I'VE SPOKEN BEFORE. IT'S THE ATTORNEY FIRM THAT HAS REPRESENTED ROLLING HILLS. THEY HAVE ALWAYS LOOKED OUT FOR THE DEVELOPER'S BEST INTEREST. IT'S A HARD STRUGGLE, SITTING HERE, IT'S HARD BECAUSE I KNOW SOME OF THE THINGS THAT HAVE HAPPENED IN OUR COMMUNITY, WE'RE AT OUR ATTORNEY'S GUIDANCE. IT WAS NOT IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE RESIDENTS. THAT'S THE PART THAT I WISH PEOPLE COULD UNDERSTAND A LITTLE BIT MORE.
YOU HEARD THE ATTORNEYS SAY IT'S FOR THE DEVELOPER. THAT IS, YOU KNOW. I DO SUPPORT DEVELOPMENT. MY HEART IS IN COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT, ABSOLUTELY. BUT THERE'S A LOT OF POWER AND CONTROL THAT'S BEING HANDED OVER, WHETHER IT IS SOMEBODY DIFFERENT. THEY'RE AN EXCEPTIONAL PERSON IN A DIFFERENT ENTITY. BUT WHEN IT'S THE NEXT BUILDER OR THE NEXT DEVELOPER THAT MAY NOT BE, WILL THERE BE ANOTHER PERSON, LIKE THE ONES THAT DID L ARING HILLS? I DON'T KNOW. THAT'S THE RISK THAT IT WILL COME IN TO PLAY WITH THE SPECIAL DISTRICT. WHEN I WAS TALKING TO ROLLING HILLS IN THE BACK OF OUR COMMUNITY, I WAS NOT TALKING ABOUT THE BOULEVARD. I WAS TALKING ABOUT THE BACK END OF OUR COMMUNITY. AND NOW IT'S UP TO THE SPECIAL DISTRICT. IF IT CONTINUES TO MOVE FORWARD. SO THE BACK OF OUR COMMUNITY IS GOING INTO SOMETHING THAT IS NOT OURS, AND IT IS JUST COMPLICATED ON THAT. AND SO WHEN YOU ARE ALL FIGURING OUT THESE DIFFERENT THINGS OUT, WE STILL NEED TO WEIGH OUT.
THANK YOU. >> I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT I DO HAVE ANOTHER. YOU WANTED TO SPEAK AGAIN AT SECOND PUBLIC
COMMENT? >> TERESA, ADDRESS ON FILE. GOOD AFTERNOON AGAIN. THE REPUBLIC IS BROKEN.
>> IF YOU WILL MOVE THAT MICROPHONE IN FRONT OF YOU.
>> CAN WE START OVER AGAIN BECAUSE I'M GOING TO HAVE TO READ VERY FAST TO GET THREE MINUTES IN. THE REPUBLIC OF THE BROKEN. TO HEAR THEM TELL IT, THE AMERICA FIRST CROWD, THE LAST LINE OF DEFENSE AGAINST THE COLLAPSE OF THE CIVILIZATION.
THEY DRAPE THEMSELVES IN FLAGS MADE FROM CHINA AND SCREAM ABOUT PATRIOTISM WHILE HOLLERING OUT THE NATION LIKE TERMITES ON A WAND CHURCH. THEY CLUTCH THEIR BIBLES AND BEAT THEIR CHEST ABOUT CHRISTIAN VALUES, BY WORSHIPING AT THE GOLDEN WEALTH OF POWER. THEY TALK ABOUT SAVING THE CONSTITUTION WHILE THEY BURN THE PAGES. THESE ARE NOT PATRIOTS OR CHRISTIANS. HECK, THEY'RE NOT PROPER FACETIOUS. AT LEAST THE OLD WORLD VARIETY, BELIEVE IN SOMETHING ON THE PORTFOLIOS AND PRIVATE JETS, WHAT WE'RE WITNESSING IS NOT NATIONALISM OR POPULISM IN THE CLASSIC FORM. A LIQUIDATION OF DEMOCRACY BY MEN WHO SEEK GOVERNMENT IS NOTHING MORE THAN A VENDING MACHINE FOR THEIR OWN ENRICHMENT. THEY'RE NOT LOOKING TO BUILD A NATION THAT WILL FOR THEY'RE NOT STEWARDS OF DEMOCRACY, CARETAKERS OF THE EXPERIENCE. THEY KNOW THEY HAVE A 25-YEAR PLAN AT BEST IN THE FINAL PHASE OF THE PLAN THAT IS UNTRACEABLE, BANK ACCOUNT, AND THE PRIVATE ISLAND, WHERE THEY WON'T HAVE TO LISTEN TO THE PEASANTS THEY LEFT BEHIND. MERE TOOLS USED AND DISCARDED. THEY DO NOT SEE THEMSELVES AS CITIZENS IN THE UNITED STATES.
THEY'RE PART OF THE GLOBAL CARTEL, SHIFTING THEIR ALLEGIANCE TO WHENEVER IT TAKES THEM. IF IT MEANS COZYING UP, SO BE IT. IF IT MEANS DISSOLVING CONGRESS, RULING BY EXECUTIVE,
[04:30:02]
EVEN BETTER. AND THE WORST PART, THEY KNOW THEY'RE ON THE TIMER.THEY HAVELESS THAN A YEAR TO EXECUTIVE ORDERS, THAT WILL BE - RUBBER STAMPED BY THE SUPREME COURT THAT THEY WOULD RIG TO ENSURE THE MIDTERMS DO NOT MATTER BECAUSE THEN THE ELECTIONS WILL BE A MERE FORMALITY. FINAL DEMOCRACY HELD UP LIKE THE RELIC. THE CONGRESSMAN AND THE SENATORS WHO THOUGHT THEY WERE PLAYING THE LONG GAME, WHO BELIEVE THEY WOULD HAVE A SEAT AT THE TABLE, WHEN THEY FIND THEMSELVES STANDING IN THE COLD LIKE CHILDREN, WAITING FOR SCRAPS THAT WILL NEVER COME. THE GRIP MOVES TOO FAST, TOO FAST FOR LOYALTY, ONLY RULE OF NEW ORDER IS POWER. THEY WILL REALIZE TOO LATE THEY WERE JUST STEPPINGSTONES IN SOMEONE ELSE'S DECENT. THERE IS NO CAVALRY COMING N SECRET SAVIORS WAITING IN THE WINGS. EUROPE AND ASIA MAY AMOUNT THE RESISTANCE, BUT TOO FAR GONE WATCHING FROM THE WRECKAGE, AS THE WORLD PICKS THROUGH THE RUINS OF WHAT WAS ONCE THE GREAT AMERICAN REPUBLIC. THIS IS NOT PARANOIA OR CONSPIRACY. THIS IS HAPPENING IN REAL TIME. THEY KNOW ONCE THE PEOPLE SEE THE GAME FOR WHAT IT IS, ONCE THE FOG LIFTS AND THE DISTRACTION WEARS OFF, THEY WON'T BE ABLE TO MAINTAIN THE ILLUSION ANY LONGER. RIGHT NOW, WE'RE PANICKING OF THE WATER OVER THE BOAT, TRYING TO STAY AFLOAT. BUT THE LEAKS ARE STILL THERE. THEY'RE INTENTIONAL.
THEY'RE GROWING. UNLESS WE FIX THE BOAT, UNLESS WE STOP THE FLOOD AND THEIR SOURCE, THERE WILL BE NOTHING LEFT TO SAY. AND THE GRIFTERS WILL BE GONE, WEALTHIER, UNTOUCHED, LAUGHING AT THE FOOLS WHO MISTOOK THEIR LEADING FOR LEADERSHIP. DEFIANCE IS STILL DEATH.
>> IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK AT THE SECOND PUBLIC COMMENT? ALL RIGHT.
[COUNTY ATTORNEY]
COMMISSIONER AUDITOR? COUNTY ATTORNEY?>> YES, JUST QUICKLY TO LET YOU KNOW THAT THE FIRST CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION MEETING IS SET FOR OCTOBER 6 HERE IN THE BOARD ROOM. AT THIS TIME, TERESA, OUT OF THE 20, WE ONLY HEARD FROM TWO THAT THEY ARE UNABLE TO ATTEND. SO WE EXPECT TO HAVE
PRETTY MUCH EVERYBODY HERE. >> I HAD ONE THAT SAID THEY HAD NOT HEARD ANYTHING. SHOULD THEY BE HEARING AN E-MAIL OR
SOMETHING? >> THEY SHOULD HAVE ALREADY HEARD BECAUSE TERESA E-MAILED EVERYONE. JUST LET ME KNOW WHO IT IS, THEN I'LL GET WITH TERESA BECAUSE SHE SENT IT OUT
[COUNTY MANAGER]
>> ANYTHING ELSE? OKAY. COUNTY MANAGER?
>> MADAM CHAIR, COMMISSIONERS. JUST A BIG THANK YOU OUT, ESPECIALLY RIDGE WHO IS STILL WITH US OVER HERE. THIS IS HIS LAST BUDGET THAT WILL BE PREPARED, BUT HE STILL HAS TO MANAGE IT UNTIL HE RETIRES. HE'S GOT SOME BIG SHOES TO FILL. SO I JUST WANTED TO THANK HIM AND FOR HIM TO HANG OUT.
VERY, VERY IMPORTANT. WE ARE KEEPING A WATCH ON TWO SYSTEMS BEHIND GABRIELLE. THEY'RE OUT THERE, 93L AND 94L. THERE'S NO DIRECT NEXT THREAT BY THESE SYSTEMS THAT ARE OUT THERE.
WE'LL PUSH THEM OUT, AND YOU'LL BE RECEIVING E-MAILS FROM EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT AND SUCH, AS WE WATCH THESE. THAT'S IT.
[COMMISSIONERS' COMMENTS]
PENDING ANY QUESTIONS. >> ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE COUNTY MANAGER? ALL RIGHT. COMMISSION COMMENTS? COMMISSIONER?
>> I ONLY HAVE ONE THING, A REQUEST BY THE CONSTITUENTS TO PUBLISH ALL THE COUNTY EMPLOYEES SALARIES. CAN WE DO THAT? DO WE
DO THAT? HOW SHOULD WE DO THAT? >> THEY CAN -- WELL, WE GET PUBLIC RECORDS REQUESTS FOR THEM PRETTY FREQUENTLY THROUGH SOME AGENCY. I MEAN, WE CAN PROVIDE IT.
>> JUST SEND IT TO PUBLIC RECORDS OR SEND IT TO HOWARD AND I, AND WE FORWARD IT. OKAY, I'LL FIGURE IT OUT. THAT'S ALL I
>> COMMISSIONER COMPERE? >> PERFECT SEGWAY, COUNTY MANAGER. I WANTED TO ALSO THANK REG AND THE TEAM, EVERY MIND THAT WENT GOING TOGETHER, $780 MILLION BUDGET. I KNOW I'M ROUNDING UP. I KNOW WE TRACK DOLLARS AND CENTS. I'M ROUNDING UP, $780. BUT IT WAS A HEAVY LIFT THIS YEAR, AND I'M GRATEFUL FOR WHAT WE WERE ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH. THE SECOND THING I WANTED TO BRING BACKUP. WE DISCUSSED LAST MEETING ABOUT NAMING THE CAC OUT IN OAKLEAF. I NARROWED IT DOWN TO THREE FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION THIS EVENING. OH, IT'S 8:30, THIS EVENING. SO WE HAVE OAKLEAF NEIGHBORS CAC, OAKLEAF ORANGE CAC. ANY THOUGHTS
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ON THOSE THREE? >> WHAT WAS THE FIRST ONE?
SORRY. THAT'S GREAT FRIENDS. >> I WAS BEING FACETIOUS, BUT WHO KNOWS, YOU NEVER KNOW, IT COULD COME OUT.
>> IT SOUNDS GOOD TO ME. WHAT WAS THE LAST ONE?
>> YEAH, I GOT THAT ONE LAST NIGHT.
>> WHICH IS REALLY PROBABLY MORE ACCURATE.
>> YEAH, THAT ONE, WHEN YOU READ OFF THE LAST ONE, IT WAS THAT I COULD SEE THAT WITH THE LAND MAP.
>> YES. THERE ARE OTHERS BESIDES THEM.
>> YES. >> IS THERE ONE IN THAT AREA?
>> IS THERE ONE THAT YOU LIKE OF THE THREE?
>> I AM NOT PARTIAL TO ANY OF THEM.
>> WHERE IS THE ORANGE? >> YEAH, ORANGE PARK. IF YOU DON'T KNOW THE MAP. IF YOU DON'T KNOW THE MAP, YOU'D BE
LIKE ORANGE? WHY NOT RED? >> RIGHT.
>> I'M NOT A GATOR, LET IT BE KNOWN.
>> WHO HAS ADOPTED ORANGE PARK. SO WE'RE NOT DOING ORANGE. SO IF IT TAKES THAT MUCH TO FIGURE IT OUT, WE DON'T WANT THAT. SO WHAT ABOUT -- SO YOU'VE GOT THE TWO THAT SEEM TO BE MOST POPULAR. THE FRIENDS OF OAKLEAF. I DON'T KNOW IF WE REALLY GOT MUCH. YOU BOTH SAID NEIGHBORS, FRIENDS? COMMISSIONER, ANY
THOUGHTS? >> FRIENDS OF OAKLEAF. THAT
SEEMS TO BE POPULAR. >> I MEAN, IT ENCOMPASSES MORE THAN JUST THAT. I DON'T WANT YOU TO LIMIT MEMBERSHIP, YOU KNOW, OR PEOPLE. I DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO NOT APPLY TO BE A MEMBER THAT, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE IT DOES AFFECT OUR DISTRICTS.
>> TRUE. SO WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE, I KNOW YOU MENTIONED IT IS ALSO PRETTY LARGE. SO YOU HAD TO FOLD IN OTHER COMMUNITIES, BUT YOU NAMED IT ANY WAY?
>> THAT IS CLAY HILL. >> OKAY. SO WE WANT TO LOOK AT SOMETHING THAT IS MORE LIKE FRIENDS? LIKE THOSE ARE THE ONLY TWO. IT SEEMS TO ME THAT IT CAN'T JUST BE OAK LEAF.
>> THE PARENT IS COMING. >> I WOULD SUGGEST A REGIONAL NAME .
WAS ORIGINALLY A PLANNING DISTRICT, AND THEN OF COURSE, IT EXPANDED TO OAKLEAF. WE'LL HAVE TO REDO THE MAPS AND EVERYTHING.
>> I'M NOT MAD AT IT. YEAH. >> I'M REALLY NOT.
>> THEY WOULD GO WITH THAT. >> YOU THINK SO? THEY'RE QUIET.
BUT I AM -- >> I SAW YOU TRIED TO PUT
APARTMENTS ON THERE? >> AND THEN THEY CALLED, YES. WE HAVEN'T SEEN THEM SINCE. OKAY. SO CAC. IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT'S WHAT MOM WANTS, SO WE'LL GIVE HER WHAT SHE WANTS.
I'M GOOD WITH IT. OKAY. THE LAST THING, JUST TO CLOSE THE LOOP ON THIS. I AM VERY INTERESTED IN US REVISITING OUR PUBLIC NOTICE MEASURE BECAUSE THERE IS A DISCONNECT. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE ONE, WHAT THOSE MEASURES ARE, AND TWO, WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE TO ENHANCE THEM, TO NOT -- BECAUSE I KNOW, THE COUNTY MANAGER HAS MENTIONED BEFORE THAT WE ARE ON SOCIAL MEDIA. THEY DO A GREAT JOB OF REACHING THE COMMUNITY. BUT THEN
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FOR WHATEVER REASON, YOU'VE GOT THESE GAPS, WHERE SOME EVENTS ARE WELL ATTENDED, OTHER THINGS ARE NOT WELL ATTENDED. I'M LOOKING TO MITIGATE HOW WIDE WE FLUCTUATE IN ATTENDANCE, ESPECIALLY WITH THESE CRITICAL ISSUES THAT GETS THE COMMUNITY, THEIR EARS PERK UP TO BRING BACK WHATEVER THOSE NOTICES AND MEASURES LOOK LIKE AND WHAT OUR OPTIONS WOULD BE TO BEEF THEMUP. >> JUST TO KIND OF COMMENT ON THAT. WE HAVE A LOT OF THAT. WE HAVE DISCUSSED HAD QUITE A BIT BECAUSE OF WHAT HAPPENED WITH RUSSELL AND GLEN HAVEN. I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ANSWER IS BECAUSE WE WILL HAVE THIS LARGE FLASHING YELLOW SIGN FOR MONTHS. PEOPLE SAY I DIDN'T KNOW IT WAS GOING TO CLOSE. SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ANSWER IS AS FAR AS HOW TO NOTICE DEM BETTER BECAUSE YOU SHOULD COME DOOR TO DOOR TO TELL ME. LIKE WHAT? OKAY, I DIDN'T SIGN UP FOR THAT. BUT I MEAN, IF I HAVE TO DO IT, I GUESS I WOULD HAVE TO DO IT. BUT DEFINITELY WITH SOCIAL MEDIA, YOU WOULD THINK THAT PEOPLE WOULD BE ABLE TO SEE THINGS MORE. SO I MEAN, YES, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ANSWER IS. HOPEFULLY THEY WILL COME UP WITH SOME MORE IDEAS.
>> AND ED TOLD US THAT IT WAS DIRECT CONTACT WITH THE FOLKS WE'VE BEEN HAVING TO NEGOTIATE WITH. SO MY THOUGHT IS, AND I KNOW THERE WILL BE SOME COST INVOLVED, BUT I DARE TO SAY THE COST OF PERSONAL NOTIFICATION BY WAY OF WHATEVER NOTICES HAVE WORKED AND WANTING TO PURCHASE THEIR PROPERTY WOULD BE SUFFICIENT TO REACH THEM. THAT WOULD BE FAR LESS THAN LOOKING AT A SIX-FIGURE PRICE TAG BECAUSE THAT'S REALLY WHERE THINGS WILL START TO GET STICKY. WE HAVE ALREADY SEEN WITH RUSSELL, IT WAS $65,000 PIVOT, WHICH I THINK IS STILL MORE THAN WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO REACH A SUBSET OF FOLKS WHO WERE DIRECTLY IMPACTED BY THE CHANGE THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO MAKE. DO
YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING? >> YEAH, THE IDEA OF HAVING IT, LIKE IF IT WAS THREE YEARS AGO WHEN THIS WAS DECIDED. HAVING ANOTHER TOWN HALL IS A GOOD IDEA, I THINK, LATER ON, YOU KNOW, THESE PEOPLE, MAYBE THEY WEREN'T THERE. YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT WOULD BE A REALLY GOOD IDEA, BUT YOU KNOW?
>> I THINK COMMISSIONER HAD COULD PROBABLY RELATE TO THIS REGARDLESS OF THE SIZE OF THE PROJECT. I MEAN, WE SPOKE TO EVERY PERSON MULTIPLE TIMES. ONCE WE GOT TO THE CONSTRUCTION, THEY WERE LIKE WHAT, WHY? WHAT ABOUT MY FENCE? SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ANSWER IS. BUT ON 218 IF YOU HAD A DRIVEWAY, WE SPOKE TO YOU AND SENT YOU A LETTER, YOU WOULD HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THAT PLANT, I MEAN, EVERYTHING.
>> THAT'S HARD >> LIKE THEY SAID THEY TOOK THE
MONEY. >> THAT'S RIGHT. THINK ABOUT
THAT. >> SHE HAD A BIT OF A PANIC THIS
MORNING. >> YEAH, SHE THOUGHT SHE MISSED
HER OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK. >> I THINK IF YOU'RE SAYING ANOTHER TOWN HALL, THAT'S GREAT BUT THE HURDLE IS WHO SHOWS UP, RIGHT? THAT IS ALWAYS GOING TO BE THE ASK OR THE GAP.
>> FOR LIKE THE PROJECT, THE ROAD, I MEAN, YEAH. I PROBABLY, IT DEPENDS ON HOW MUCH IT MEANS, HOW MUCH OF AN INCONVENIENCE IT'S GOING TO BE, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.
>> ASK THAT IS STILL A CHANGE. I'M HAPPY WITH THAT. I'M HAPPY IT'S MOVING IN THAT DIRECTION. WE NEED THAT, I THINK.
>> IT IS ALL GOOD, HELPING THEM KNOW MORE AND COMMUNICATING.
IT'S ALL A GOOD THING FOR US TO DO.
>> I AGREE. THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT TONIGHT. THANK YOU.
>> COMMISSIONER BURKE? >> I THINK YOU HEARD FROM ME ENOUGH. I'M GOOD. WE'LL BE PRAYING THESE STORMS STAY AWAY
FROM US AND HAVE A GREAT WEEK. >> IT IS REALLY DRY, WE COULD
USE SOME RAIN, NO RAIN. >> JUST A COUPLE OF THINGS. SO I
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GOT TO ATTEND THE FLAGS FOR HEROES EVENT AT ORANGE PARK TOWN HALL, WHICH IS REALLY, REALLY WELL ATTENDED. THERE WAS -- I WAS HOPING THEY WOULD HAVE IT OUTSIDE AGAIN, BUT THEY KEPT IT INSIDE IN THE TOWN HALL CHAMBERS, AND IT WAS PACKED, ELBOW TO ELBOW. IT IS ALWAYS INTERESTING TO SEE HOW SMALL OUR COUNTRY ACTUALLY IS AND THERE WERE PEOPLE LIVING HERE IN CLAY COUNTY THAT WERE INVOLVED IN 9/11 IN TERMS OF AIR TRAFFIC CONTROLLERS FROM CALLAHAN AND, YOU KNOW, ANOTHER GUY THAT WAS I BELIEVE AN ADMIRAL AT THE TIME IN THE NAVY THAT WAS THERE. HE SPOKE. IT WAS JUST VERY HUMBLING THAT 24 YEARS AGO, WE WERE STILL -- WE NEED TO CONTINUE TO REMEMBER THAT DAY. I ALSO SAW SOMETHING THAT WAS AN INTERESTING WAY, AN INTERESTING WAY TO PUT IT. AT SOME POINT, WE'VE GOT TO GET BACK TO THE AMERICA WE WERE ON 9/12/2021. IT WAS A VERY UNIFYING MOMENT FOR OUR COUNTRY. I HOPE WE CAN CONTINUE TO GET BACK TO THAT UNITY AS A COUNTRY. REPRESENTATIVE SAPP INVITED MYSELF TO MY ALMA MATER, CLAY HIGH SCHOOL, ON SEPTEMBER 16, TO SPEAK TO THE GOVERNMENT CLASS THERE, THE SENIORS. HAD A REALLY FUN TIME ENGAGING THE SENIORS ON HOW GOVERNMENT WORKS. WE KIND OF DID A NICE EXAMPLE OF HOW DIFFERENT THE STATE LEGISLATURE IS FROM LOCAL GOVERNMENT. HAD SOME VOLUNTEERS, AND REALLY ENJOYED THE EVENT. THE PRINCIPAL GAVE US A TOUR AFTERWARDS. I HADN'T BEEN BACK ON CAMPUS IN A WHILE. IT'S LIKE YOUR BEST FRIEND. YOU KNOW, YOU HAVEN'T BEEN THERE IN A VERY LONG TIME, BUT YOU PICK UP RIGHT WHERE YOU LEFT OFF, WHICH IS REALLY COOL.AND THEN THE LAST THING, I JUST WANT TO THANK OUR STAFF, JESS LAYTON, TROY NAGEL. TROY WORKED REALLY HARD TODAY. BUT JESS AND LAURA REALLY WORKED HARD ON COMMISSIONER FOR A DAY. REALLY WANT TO THANK THEM WITH COORDINATING WITH ALL THE OTHER GOVERNMENTAL ENTITIES. TODAY WAS SPECIAL. WE INSPIRED SOME YOUNG PEOPLE TO GET INVOLVED. HOPEFULLY IT IS SOMETHING WE CAN CONTINUE TO DO, AND I'M GOING TO WORK WITH STAFF TO FIGURE OUT IF YOU, AS OTHER COMMISSIONERS, WOULD LIKE TO PER TAKE, HOW WE COULD MAYBE HAVE TEAMS OF STUDENTS AND KIND OF KEEP THE SCHEDULE THE SAME, WHERE WE ROTATE IF AND OUT, SO EVERYBODY WILL GET TO SEE EVERY GENRE OF THE THINGS THAT WE DO. BUT REALLY SMART, REALLY SHARP AND SMART YOUNG PEOPLE DURING THE BUDGET WORKSHOP. THEY WERE ASKING REALLY, REALLY GOOD QUESTIONS. IT WAS LIKE I WAS SITTING, WOW, THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENS WHEN WE DO A BUDGET WORKSHOP WITH THE SENIORS. SO REALLY GREAT AND APPRECIATE EVERYONE'S WILLINGNESS TO PARTICIPATE IN THE PROGRAM. I HOPE WE KEEP IT GOING FOR A LONG TIME, FOR OUR YOUTH. THAT'S ALL I GOT.
>> THANK YOU FOR DOING THAT. I THINK THAT WAS JUST WONDERFUL.
>> SURE. >> I DON'T THINK ANY OF US COULD DO A VIDEO AND A COMMERCIAL LIKE YOU DID, BUT THAT WAS AMAZING. I KNOW MY DAUGHTER THOROUGHLY ENJOYED IT.
SO THANK YOU AGAIN FOR DOING THAT FOR THEM. JUST A WONDERFUL
>> THAT'S THE HYPE, GUYS. HE'S GOT THE KIDS ALL RILED UP. ANY WAY, LAURA IS GOING TO HAVE HIM EMPLOYED FOR FREE BECAUSE YOU CAN'T ACTUALLY WORK. ANY WAY, YOU CAN'T LOBBY IN FRONT OF US, RIGHT? BUT THAT'S A PART-TIME JOB. HE'S GOT EXTRA TIME.
>> THERE YOU GO, THERE YOU
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.