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PRESERVATION BOARD IS NOW IN ORDER. AND WE WILL GO WITH THE
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FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA, AND THAT IS APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FROM AUGUST 7. I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR APPROVAL.>> I SAID MOTION. >> I HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL.
DO I HAVE A SECOND? >> I WILL SECOND IT.
>> I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR OF IT, SAY AYE?
>> IN FAVOR OF DISCUSSION. >> SORRY, FOR DISCUSSION?
>> I HEARD NONE, CHAIR. >> OKAY.
>> ALL IN FAVOR OF APPROVAL, SAY AYE?
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>> AYE. >> OPPOSED? SO CARRIED. OKAY.
PUBLIC COMMENTS. ANYBODY HERE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? WE WILL GO ONTO OLD BUSINESS. WE'LL START WITH CEMETERY WORK UPDATE.
NEW TO THE FLORIDA'S STATE MASTER FILE SINCE WE MET LAST MONTH. BUT I'VE BEEN DOING OTHER RESEARCH. I CAME ACROSS -- I ACTUALLY ATTENDED A LUNCH AND LEARN THAT WAS DONE BY THE FLORIDA TRUST FOR HISTORIC PRESERVATION. IT'S A GREAT WEBSITE. IT HAS PRESERVATION TOOL KIT DOCUMENTS. THEY DO SEVERAL LUNCH AND LEARNS. IN FACT, THEY HAVE ONE I'M GOING TO ATTEND THE 25TH OF SEPTEMBER. IT'S CALLED EMERGING TRENDS AND PRESERVATION. IT'S, YOU KNOW, DURING THE WEEK. IT'S UNTIL 11:30 IN THE MORNING. YOU'LL HAVE TO REGISTER FOR THAT. BUT THE WEBSITE IS WWW.FLORIDATRUST. ORG. THEY'VE GOT A LOT OF GREAT INFORMATION OUT THERE. THEY DO LIST A VARIETY OF WHAT THEY CALL PRESERVATION PARTNERS. NOBODY FROM CLAY COUNTY IS ON THERE. SO YOU HAVE TO PAY MONEY TO HAVE THE MEMBERSHIP. BUT THERE'S A LOT OF GREAT INFORMATION ON THERE, SO I WANT TO SHARE THAT WITH EVERYBODY. AS FAR AS ACTUAL CEMETERY WORK. I HAVE BEEN KIND OF WORKING THROUGH MY OPEN LIST. THERE IS ONE ON THE LIST THAT'S LISTED AS TANG. AND I ALWAYS WONDERED WHAT THE HECK. WHY WAS IT CALLED THAT? I DID TALK TO THE FOLKS WITH THE STATE OF FLORIDA. BECAUSE I WAS CONCERNED BECAUSE IT IS ACTUALLY LEE CEMETERY AND IT IS ALSO KNOWN AS SAND HILL OR LAKE CEMETERY. THEY SENT ME THE MASTER FILE AND EVERYTHING IS COOL THERE.
BECAUSE I HAD LAKESIDE ON MY LIST. BUT NOW I'VE DETERMINED IT'S ACTUALLY LEE. YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE CEMETERIES HAVE ACTUAL NAMES. LEE AND SAND HILL, AND LAKESIDE THAT'S ON THE LANDING. I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE CONSERVATION PROGRAM MANAGER. BECAUSE I TOLD HIM I'VE GOT A CEMETERY ON MY LIST CALLED OLD CONWAY CEMETERY THAT IS NOT ON THE MASTER FILE, BUT ON THE GIS. THERE IS A CONWAY CEMETERY ALREADY ON THE MASTER FILE. I THOUGHT MAYBE IT WAS A DUPLICATE OF THE CONWAY CEMETERY, BUT HE ACTUALLY CALLED ME ON MY WAY OVER HERE, AND HE GOES, I DON'T THINK IT IS. SO OUR QUESTION IS, WITH SOME OF THE OTHER ONES TOO, IT'S ON THE GIS REPORT, AND IT IS ON THE MAP. BUT WHAT DATA CHOSE THEM TO PUT THAT SPOT ON THE MAP? I'VE TRIED TO CALL DOUGLAS. HE'S 87 YEARS OLD NOW AND LIVING IN ORANGE PARK. I NEED TO KNOW FROM THE GIS PERSPECTIVE, WHAT CAUSED THEM TO
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STICK THAT DOT ON THE MAP? DO THEY HAVE LONGITUDE, LATITUDE? WHATEVER BECAUSE THERE ARE TWO ON CAMP LANDING, THE GENTLEMAN AND I WERE TALKING ABOUT. HE'S HAPPY TO TALK TO SOMEBODY AT THE GIS TO FIND OUT ABOUT THE ASSET. I'VE BEEN TRYING TO GET MORE INFORMATION ON SOME OF THESE BECAUSE THERE'S TWO OF THEM, SUPPOSEDLY HE KNOWS NOTHING ABOUT. BUT OBVIOUSLY THERE'S OTHER ONES AS WELL THAT ARE ON THE GIS MAP. SO ONE OF THEM IS THE MARYLAND AVENUE GRAVE. MARYLAND AVENUE IS NOT THAT BIG OF A STREET. I'VE GONE UP AND DOWN. THERE'S HOUSES ON BOTH SIDES. I HAVE NO IDEA. THE GREEN COVE CATHOLIC CEMETERY IS NO LONGER IN EXISTENCE. THE CATHOLIC CHURCH SAYS THEY HAVE NO RECORD OF THERE EVER BEING A CEMETERY AT GREEN COVE. THERE'S ONE THAT'S LISTED AS GLISTEN CEMETERY THAT SUPPOSEDLY THE NOTE SAYS HAS MORE THAN 12 GRAVES. SO I MEAN, YOU WOULDTHINK YOU WOULD -- >> WHERE IS THAT ONE OFF OF?
>> I DON'T KNOW. I DIDN'T WRITE IT ON MY SHEET. BUT IT'S NOT ON THE GIS. I BELIEVE IT WAS LISTED WITH ELIZABETH SPENCER AND JAMES BOONE'S DOCUMENTS THAT WERE DONE BACK IN THE 60S AND THE 70S. BUT THEIR NOTE SAYS THERE ARE 12 PLUS GRAVES AT THE CEMETERY. THERE IS ANOTHER ONE THAT IS SUPPOSEDLY OFF SPRING BANK ROAD. THAT'S ON THE GIS. I WENT UP AND DOWN SPRING BANK ROAD, AND I CANNOT FIGURE OUT WHERE IT IS. THERE IS ACTUALLY AN ADDRESS THAT THE GIS GIVES. WE WENT THERE AND COULDN'T FIGURE IT OUT. WOLF BRANCH, FOR SOME OF THESE I GOT THE RANGE, BUT NOBODY SEEMS TO KNOW WHERE WOLF BRANCH WAS. IT'S NOT ON THE GIS. IT COULD BE LONG GONE, RIGHT? SO THESE ARE ONES WE'RE UNABLE TO LOCATE. THERE'S A TAYLOR LANDING CEMETERY.
THERE'S ACTUALLY TWO OF THEM. ONE ON BOTH SIDES OF BLACK CREEK. THE ONE WE CAN'T FIND IS THE ONE OFF OF OLD HARD ROAD ON FLEMMING ISLAND. SUPPOSEDLY ON MIDDLEBURG POINT. IT COULD BE GONE, RIGHT? WHO KNOWS. ROSEMARY HILL CEMETERY, SUPPOSEDLY SOME INDIAN GRAVES. WELL, IT'S NOT BOARDENVILLE ANYMORE. THIS IS A LONG TIME AGO. SO WE HAVE NO IDEA ON THAT ONE. AND THEN LAKE GENEVA CEMETERY. I MEAN, I'VE TALKED TO FOLKS IN KEYSTONE.
WENT TO THE POST OFFICE, TALKED TO A GUY WHO LIVES THERE FOREVER. HE HAS NEVER HEARD OF ONE IN THAT AREA. SO WHO KNOWS.
THAT COULD BE GONE AS WELL. THE ONES WE ARE STILL INVESTIGATING IS BARDEN, WHICH IS SUPPOSE TO BE RIGHT NEAR MCKENDRY. WE STILL HAVE THAT, WHICH WE WANT TO PURSUE. BELLAMY ROAD, WHICH IS IN KEYSTONE, WHEN WE WENT TO KEYSTONE, WE COULDN'T FIND IT, BUT NOW I HAVE MORE INFORMATION, SO I THINK I KNOW WHERE IT IS.
BROWNS OLD FIELD CEMETERY IS SUPPOSEDLY WHERE THE BRIAN JENNINGS BRIDGE WAS LOCATED. AND THE NOTES SAY IN THE FIELD, EAST OF FIRST BAPTIST CHURCH IN MIDDLEBURG. SO WHO KNOWS IF
THERE IS ANYTHING THERE EITHER. >> YOU MAY WANT TO CHECK WITH THE CHURCH RIGHT THERE BECAUSE IT'S RIGHT NEXT TO THE CHURCH.
SO THEY MIGHT BE BACK FURTHER IN THE BACK.
>> IT'S GOT TO BE IN THE WOODS. IF IT WAS NEAR WHERE THE BRIAN JENNINGS BRIDGE WAS, IT'S GOT TO BE RIGHT THERE BY THE CREEK.
>> YEAH. >> SO IN THE WOODS. WHICH WE THINK IS OFF OF 209 NEAR MIDDLEBURG FARM ROAD. THAT'S ANOTHER ONE. THERE'S A WHOLE CEMETERY IN ORANGE PARK.
SUPPOSEDLY HE WAS LOCATED CLOSE TO WHERE THE CEMETERY IS. WE ARE STILL TRYING TO FIGURE THAT ONE OUT. HATCHERVILLE, ALL IT SAYS IS NORTH END OF HATCHERVILLE ROAD, JUST BEFORE YOU COME TO THE BRANCH. WELL ACCORDING TO THE LOCATION FOR THE SECTION TOWNSHIP RANGE, IT SHOULD BE NORTH OF OLD JENNINGS AND WEST OF LIVE OAK. SO, YOU KNOW, HERE AGAIN, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WOODS. STATION POND, WHICH WE DID NOT ATTEMPT LAST TIME BECAUSE THE GUY AT THE POST OFFICE SAYS YOU NEED FOUR-WHEEL
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DRIVE TO GET THERE. AND THEN THE UNNAMED CEMETERY ON CAMP LANDING, WHICH IS THE ONE I'M TALKING TO THE GUY AT CAMP LANDING ABOUT THAT IS SOUTH OF BLUE POND AND THAT IS ONE ON THEGIS. >> WHO IS THE PERSON YOU TALKED TO OVER THERE AT CAMP LANDING? WAS IT MR. CRESTMAN?
>> NO. HE'S GOT AN UNUSUAL NAME. IS IT HAVEN? HE'S THE CONSERVATION MANAGER. SO I DO HAVE SOME. THE WE CAN'T FIND THESE UNLESS WE GET MORE INFORMATION. BUT WE HAVE THESE THAT WE'VE GOT ON OUR ACTIVE INVESTIGATION LIST. THE GENTLEMAN WITH CAMP LANDING. THEY SAID ONCE WE GET A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THE OLD CONWAY AND THE UNNAMED CEMETERY ON CAMP LANDING. IF WE CAN GET SOME MORE INFORMATION FROM THE GIS FOLKS. ONCE WE DO THAT, THEN HE'S GOING TO LET US DO A CEMETERY VISIT. , SO WE CAN VISIT ALL THE CEMETERIES ON CAMP LANDING. WE'RE GOING TO DO SITE VISITS AND ALL THAT GOOD STUFF.
SEVERAL PHONE CALLS IN THE LAST WEEK ABOUT THE OLD HICKORY GROVE BAPTIST CHURCH THAT DOESN'T WANT TO DEAL WITH THEIR CEMETERY ANYMORE. NOT QUITE SURE WHY. IT'S A VERY OLD HISTORIC CEMETERY. AND THE ONE LADY I TALKED TO SAID SHE THINKS IT'S BECAUSE THEY HAVE A SMALL OLDER CONGREGATION, AND THEY'RE CONCERNED ABOUT MAINTENANCE. I TOLD HER IF THAT'S THE CASE, SHE DOESN'T NEED TO WORRY ABOUT THAT. WE'VE GOT PLENTY OF VOLUNTEERS THAT ARE MORE THAN HAPPY TO. IT IS NOT THAT BIG OF A CEMETERY. I'M STILL WORKING WITH THOSE. I TALKED TO THE ARCHIVES. SHE SAID WE REALLY NEED TO FOCUS ON MCKENDRY, WHICH IS ALREADY REGISTERED WITH THE STATE AND HAS BEEN FOR A WHILE.
BUT SHE SAYS IT IS EXTREMELY IN BAD CONDITION. SHE SAID THE LAST TIME SHE WAS OUT THERE WAS TEN YEARS AGO. THE GRAVESTONES WERE ACTUALLY GROWING INTO THE TREES. THE LADY AND HER HUSBAND AND THE PROPERTY PASSED AWAY LAST YEAR AND A YOUNGER RELATIV HAS TAKEN IT OVER, SO WE'LL TRY TO REACH OUT TO HER. BUT I UNDERSTAND IT IS REALLY, REALLY BAD. AND WE CERTAINLY DON'T WANT THAT TO HAPPEN. I MEAN, WE DON'T WANT IT TO JUST DISAPPEAR, RIGHT? SO WE COULD CERTAINLY HELP WITH THAT.
>> KATHY, WHERE IS THAT AT? >> SO IT IS OFF OF 220. KIND OF ACROSS FROM WHERE DOCTOR'S INLET ELEMENTARY SCHOOL IS, OFF OF OLD TRAIL ROAD. IT'S A DIRT ROAD THAT GOES BACK THERE, SO I'M JUST GOING TO HAVE TO GO LIKE ON A SUNDAY AND HOPEFULLY GET BACK THERE AND KNOCK ON HER DOOR AND HOPEFULLY SHE'LL BE BACK HOME TO SAY HEY, WE NEED TO HELP YOU HERE. I ALSO WAS TALKING TO A GENTLEMAN WHO WAS WORKING WITH US ON TRYING TO GET SOME VETERAN STONES, WHERE HE MENTIONED HE WENT OUT TO THE CEMETERY, WHICH IS A FOREST RECENTLY, AND HE SAID THEY'VE HAD SOME VANDALISM AND QUITE A FEW STONES WERE KNOCKED OFF THEIR BASE. SO WE WILL PROBABLY MAKE A TRIP OUT THERE AND TRY TO DO SOME REPAIRS THERE AS WELL. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU'RE IN A REMOTE AREA, THAT TYPE OF AREA. IT'S KIND OF HARD TO KEEP AN EYE ON IT, BUT HE SAID THERE WERE QUITE A FEW THAT SOMEBODY WENT THROUGH AND KNOCKED THE STONES OFF THEIR BASE. SO WE'VE
GOT OUR WORK CUT OUT FOR US. >> SO ARE YOU INTERESTED IN CEMETERIES THAT STILL HAVE SOME TRACE OF THE MARKERS OR ALL
CEMETERIES? >> ALL CEMETERIES.
>> TEN DON'T FORGET THE CATHOLIC CEMETERY IN MIDDLEBURG,
WHICH IS NOW EXTINCT. >> I HAVE THAT ON MY LIST.
>> OKAY, GOOD. >> YOU KNOW, I'VE GOT BACKGROUND INFORMATION ON IT, BUT THERE IS NO -- I MEAN, IT'S
GONE, RIGHT? >> YEAH, YEARS AGO.
>> THE MARKER OUTSIDE THE CHURCH THERE DOES TALK ABOUT THE CEMETERY FROM THE CATHOLIC CEMETERY THAT USED TO BE THERE,
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SO I DO HAVE RECORDS FOR THAT. BUT THERE IS NOT REALLY, IT'S NOT LIKE I COULD REGISTER WITH THE STATE. IT'S GONE.>> YES, YES. WE ARE KEEPING RECORDS OF THAT. I DID TALK TO VISHI OVER AT THE ARCHIVES, AND SAID I WANT TO UPDATE THE ARCHIVES. THE LAST RECORDS THEY HAVE WERE DONE BY MR. CASTINE, WHICH HAS BEEN NUMEROUS YEARS AGO. SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE GET THE UPDATED RECORDS, SO THEY HAVE SOMETHING OVER THERE AS
WELL. ANY QUESTIONS? >> WELL, NOT ABOUT THAT, BUT I'M INTERESTED IN WHAT YOU FIRST TALKED ABOUT, NAMELY THE FLORIDA TRUST OR HISTORIC PRESERVATION. HOW DID YOU GET ASSOCIATED WITH THEM AND HOW DO YOU REGISTER WITH ALL THAT
STUFF? >> I ACTUALLY ATTENDED A LUNCH AND LEARN. I WANT TO SAY IT WAS ONE THAT YOU SENT OUT TO US TO TAKE. A LITTLE WEBINAR OR ZOOM MEETING THAT THEY DID. SO I GET INFORMATION FROM THEM NOW THAT I'VE TAKEN ONE OF THEIR THINGS THEY KEEP SENDING ME MAILS ABOUT OTHER LUNCH AND LEARNS THEY HAVE. SO I WENT ON TO THEIR WEBSITE AND WAS LOOKING AT ALL THE INFORMATION THAT THEY HAVE. RESOURCES THAT THEY HAVE AVAILABLE, AS WELL AS THE LUNCH AND LEARNS THAT THEY ARE
OFFERING. >> SO THE ONE YOU MENTIONED THAT'S COMING UP LATER THIS MONTH. IS THAT SOMETHING YOU
PHYSICALLY ATTEND? >> IT IS ALL ZOOM MEETINGS, YES.
>> THEY HAVE A VARIETY OF THEM. SO EVEN IF YOU AREN'T ABLE TO ATTEND ONE, THEY RECORD THEM, SO YOU CAN GO BACK AND LOOK AND LISTEN TO THE PREVIOUS ONES THEY HAVE AS WELL.
>> VERY GOOD. >> QUICK COMMENT ON HICKORY GROVE. DOES ANYONE HERE KNOW ELIZABETH PEEPLES? WE'RE SETTING UP A MEETING WITH HER. SHE'S SUPPOSE TO BE AN EXPERT AT OLD HICKORY GROVE, AND SHE'S CONNECTED TO THE CHURCH THAT OVERSEES IT. TRYING TO HELP US SET THAT UP.
>> AND I'VE BEEN TALKING TO HOPE.
>> OKAY. >> DO YOU WANT TO BE A PART OF THE MEETING IF WE COULD MEET WITH HER?
>> SURE. >> SHE'S IN HER 80S. SO WE WILL
SEE. >> OKAY. THAT CONCLUDES THE CEMETERY WORK UPDATE. NOW WE'LL GO TO THE HISTORIC MARKER PROGRESS. AND I'M GOING TO TAKE A LITTLE BIT OUT OF ORDER AND GO TO BRANAN FIELD FIRST AND LET BETH SPEAK TO THAT.
>> THANK YOU HAD, MR. CHAIR. SO THE COUNCIL, THE STATE COUNCIL HEARD THAT ITEM ON, I BELIEVE THE 19TH OF AUGUST. THEY APPROVED IT IMMEDIATELY. THEIR STAFF HAD DONE A LITTLE BIT OF A REWRITE, WHICH I'LL SHARE THAT WITH YOU. IT'S NOT A HUGE DIFFERENCE. BUT THE COUNCIL APPROVED IT IMMEDIATELY AND LOVED THE CHANGES THAT WERE MADE. SO NOW WE'RE IN A STATE OF WAITING FOR PRODUCTION. THEY SAID IT WOULD BE SEVEN TO EIGHT MONTHS FOR PRODUCTION. SO I DID ASK WHEN THEY THOUGHT, NOT TO COUNCIL, BUT STAFF, WHEN THEY THOUGHT THEY MIGHT BE ABLE TO GET TO ST. MARY'S. AND TAY THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, CAN'T HOLD THEM TO THIS, BUT THOUGHT IT WOULD PROBABLY BE NEXT SPRING, EARLY SPRING. SO THEY'RE TRYING TO CATCH UP. THAT'S ALL WE HAVE
FROM THERE. >> I WANT TO GO TO FORT 11 NEXT.
I'LL GET TO JERRY IN JUST A SECOND. DEIDR
>> HONESTLY, I'M NOT SURE IF THERE IS ONE DONE. I CAN GO BACK AND CHECK. I DON'T RECALL THERE BEING ONE.
>> OKAY. AND THEN -- OKAY BECAUSE WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT -- JERRY, CORRECT ME IF YOU'RE WRONG, BUT YOU'RE PRETTY SATISFIED WITH THE TAKES AND WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH THE TAKE?
>> YES, YES. >> NOW THE NEXT THING WOULD BE TO, I GUESS GET WITH THE CITY TO KEYSTONE TO SEE, TO TALK ABOUT
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GETTING A LOCATION FOR IT? AND PLUS FILLING OUT THE APPLICATION FOR IT? I'M NOT SURE BECAUSE, I MEAN, I KNOW THEY WERE KIND OF HITTING THE KEYSTONE BECAUSE THEY KEYSTONE, WHICH TWO MARKERS THAT THEY WANTED TO TRY TO GET FOR THAT AREA. THE PROPER MARKER. I KNOW HER KEYSTONE GROUP TOOK OVER THE KEYSTONE MARKER GROUP DOWN THERE, WHICH IS SOMETHING WE DON'T REALLYHAVE IN CONTACT. >> I CAN SEE IF HER HERITAGE COMMITTEE WANTS TO DO THIS TO BE THE APPLICANT ON IT. I BELIEVE MOVING FORWARD WITH IT. BUT IT WAS ALL BASED ON HER AND HER CONNECTION TO KEYSTONE THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT DOING THAT.
>> OKAY, I CAN REACH OUT TO HER AND THE CITY TO SEE IF WE HAVE SOMEONE FROM THE CITY. TO FIGURE OUT WHERE IT WILL PUT IT.
>> I KNOW YOU TALKED TO TOM EARLIER.
>> YES. THE HE FINALLY CALLED BACK JUST ON THE EVE OF THE MEETING. HAS A PRETTY GOOD IDEA, YOU KNOW, APPROXIMATELY WHERE IT IS, SO YOU NAME THE STREET COORDINATES AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT. BUT THAT'S ON THE BASIS OF ARTIFACTS OR THAT OTHERS HAVE FOUND ON THE SITE. BUT THEY WOULD LIKE TO LOOK INTO IT FURTHER WHEN THE WEATHER TURNS A LITTLE COOLER. BUT WE MAY KNOW ENOUGH TO START NEGOTIATING THE SITE FOR THE MARKER TO GO UP BECAUSE THERE IS ONE THING TO DETERMINE WHERE IT USED TO BE HISTORICALLY AND THE OTHER THING TO GET THE PERMISSION OF THE PEOPLE WHO ARE INVOLVED WITH PLACING IT, I GUESS.
>> YEAH. >> SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S SORT OF MY PROBLEM, I GUESS, WHEN THEY RESIGNED. I WASN'T AT THAT MEETING. I THOUGHT SHE WAS ON SUCH A LONG VACATION. SO I LEFT IN THE REQUEST FOR HER TO CALL ME BACK, BUT I HAVEN'T HEARD
FROM HER YET. >> AND SO DO WE HAVE A MAP THAT IS TRULY SHOWING WHERE THE LOCATION IS? CAN WE TIE THAT TO MODERN DAY MAPS? YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH THE EXACT
LOCATION? >> WELL, YES. ALTHOUGH IT IS NOT THE EXACT LOCATION, BUT BETWEEN THE MAPS OF THAT TIME PERIOD AND PLUS ARTIFACTS, THEY HAVE A GENERAL AREA THAT THEY THINK
WOULD BE AT. >> IT LINES UP AT TIMES WHEN THEY ARE CONVINCED IF YOU RAN THROUGH -- WHAT'S THE STREET? IF YOU RAN THROUGH SHADY LANE. THEY SAID THE LINE WHERE THEY WERE, PRACTICALLY BISECTS THAT AND THEN THEY'VE GOT OTHER CORNERS OF IT AND ALL THAT. BUT ON THE OTHER END, THEY HAVEN'T REALLY FOUND, YOU KNOW, THE REST OF WHAT THEY WOULD HAVE LIKED TO HAVE SEEN BECAUSE WITH THESE KINDS OF PLACES, THEY HAD OTHER TROOPS AND VOLUNTEERS COMING AND GOING AND, OF COURSE, THEY LEFT THINGS AROUND THE GENERAL AREA. SO IT IS OF SOME CONCERN. BUT ACCORDING TO THE CONTEMPORARY MAP FROM THEM PERIOD, IT'S PRETTY EVIDENT HOW THEY LINE UP WITH THE EXISTING LAKES AND SO FORTH. SO WE WOULD BE PRETTY SAFE, I GUESS, AND SOMETHING FOR PEOPLE TO LOOK AT IS APPROXIMATELY WHERE IT WAS. BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG IT WILL TAKE TO MAKE SURE THEY'VE GOT AN ACTUAL PHYSICAL EXPLANATION THAT IS LYING SOMEWHERE. BUT IF THEY SUBMITTED IT, I GUESS THEY WOULD HAVE IT, RIGHT?
>> I CAN GO BACK TO THE MINUTES BECAUSE I WOULD HAVE PRESENTED IT TO YOU AT THIS MEETING, SO I CAN GO BACK THROUGH THE MINUTES
>> SO MUCH FOR THAT. OKAY. >> YES, WE WILL MOVE ON TO THE
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>> I KNOW YOU ARE ALL PRETTY MUCH DONE, CORRECT?
>> WELL, MORE RECENTLY WE DECIDED WE NEEDED TO TWEAK SOME BECAUSE THERE WERE A COUPLE OF PIECES THAT MATTER IN TERMS OF THE NARRATIVE THAT WE HAVE NAILED DOWN FOR SURE, BUT MORE RECENTLY SOME NEWSPAPER ARTICLES THAT WERE KIND OF CONTEMPORARY.
IT WAS AUTHORIZED WITH THE STATE APPROVED PROJECT. CERTAINLY A PART OF THE STORY AND THE LAST THING WE GOT AS A PROPOSED TEXT.
YOU KNOW, SOMEHOW KIND OF MISS THAT. MEETING WITH THE PEOPLE OF THE PROPONENTS OF THE MARKER OF THIS SUNDAY. AND SO THEY WOULD LIKE TO MOVE IT FORWARD IN OCTOBER IF THAT IS OKAY. CAN THAT STILL MAKE IT THROUGH THE SYSTEM THAT THEY HAVE NOW?
>> WE CAN CERTAINLY CONTINUE TO SUBMIT. AS THEY CATCH UP.
>> SO THAT IS THE CURRENT PLAN. WE DID FIND THESE NEWSPAPER ARTICLES. THAT SITE, YOU KNOW, THAT THEY GOT AUTHORIZED FOR 1935, WHICH IS THE BEGINNING OF THE BIG WPA PROGRAM. I HAD SOME HOPES OF ACTUALLY FINDING FROM THE COMMISSIONER'S MINUTES. AND COMPOSING THAT SIGN. APPARENTLY ONE WAS BUILT A LITTLE BIT BEFORE THE OTHER. THAT'S ANOTHER LANGUAGE TREND THAT YOU NEED TO CHANGE TO KIND OF GET AROUND THAT THING BECAUSE THEY RAN HISTORY AND IT WAS THERE. WHEN ALL OF THIS WAS GOING ON.
WHICH BECAME THE MUSEUM WAS FINISHED IN 1938 WHERE THE CIVIC CENTER WAS DONE IN 1937 AND SO FORTH. AT LEAST LITTLE DETAILS THAT WOULD BE OF INTEREST TO US, BUT NOT NECESSARILY TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC. SO TRYING TO KEEP PEOPLE FOCUSED ON WHAT PEOPLE WOULD WANT TO SEE BY WAY OF THE STORY LINE RATHER THAN THIS HAPPENED AND THAT HAPPENED AND ON SUCH A DATE. UNLESS IT'S A PART OF AN ACTUAL STORY, YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK THAT IS AS IMPORTANT AS WHAT HAPPENED AND WHY IT HAPPENED AND WHO FINANCED IT AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO ANY WAY, WE ARE GOING TO MEET ON SUNDAY TO PROBABLY AT LEAST IRON OUT THE WORDING ONCE AND FOR ALL OF THE TEXT. THEN WE'LL BRING THAT IN WHEN WE GOT IT. WON'T BE HERE IN OCTOBER'S MEETING. SO WOULD I JUST ARE SEND THAT TO
YOU? >> YOU CAN. WOULD THAT BE THE
>> GOOD. OKAY, VERY GOOD. >> OKAY. THAT CONCLUDES THE HISTORICAL MARKER PROGRESS REPORTS. NOW WE WILL GO ONTO THE COUNTY HISTORIC SIGNAGE DISCUSSION. I DID MAKE A MOCK UP OF THE DESIGN YOU ALL REQUESTED AT THE LAST MEETING. I TURNED IT OVER TO GOING THROUGH THE PROPER CHANNELS FOR APPROVAL. THEY DIDN'T APPROVE IT. THEY WANTED TO GO WITH THIS TYPE OF DESIGN, SO I PRINTED THIS UP. FOR US TO KIND OF SEE IT AND IT IS NOT EXACTLY TRUE TO LIFE, BUT IT IS JUST A COUPLE OF INCHES SHORT OF
WHAT IT WOULD BE NORMALLY. >> I THINK IT LOOKS GREAT.
>> ANWORDS ARE GOING TO BE A LITTLE BIT SMALLER. BUT OVERALL, THAT WILL BE THE BASIC DESIGN. IT WILL BE THE BLUE
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BACKGROUND WITH THE BORDER AND AT THE TOP, THEN THE NARRATIVEAND THE AREA UNDERNEATH IT. >> THE ONE THING THAT I DID NOTICE THAT THEY HAVE AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO INCLUDE THIS IS THE HISTORICAL MARKERS ALWAYS HAVE A PLACE IN THE BOTTOM FOR THE SPONSORSHIP, WHICH INCLUDES THE STATE, THE COUNTY COMMISSION, AND THEN THE HISTORICAL BOARD THAT IS TYPICALLY LISTED AS BEING THE SPONSORS FOR THE SIGNS. SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO INCLUDE AN AREA TOWARDS THE BOTTOM MORE. THAT WOULD BE UP TO YOU.
>> YEAH, I MEAN, I CAN, WE CAN ALWAYS PUT IT IN SMALLER FONT THERE AT THE BOTTOM, YOU KNOW, FOOTNOTE FOR THE SIGNAGE.
>> WHAT IS THE CHARACTER COUNT ON THAT ONE?
>> IT WILL BE THE SAME. >> AS THE STATE?
>> JUST WANTED TO GET AN IDEA. IS THAT A PART OF THE CHARACTER
COUNT? >> NO. NOT TYPICALLY. IT'S JUST
A MAIN BODY PART. >> I THINK IT LOOKS VERY NICE.
>> SO, I MEAN, THAT'S BEEN WHAT HAS BEEN APPROVED, SO I GUESS THAT'S WHAT WE WILL GO WITH. AND MY NEXT PART OF DISCUSSION IS ABOUT THE APPLICATION. APPROVAL PROCESS THAT WE WANT TO
HAVE IN PLACE FOR THE SIGNAGE. >> YOU PROBABLY NEED TO MOVE IT OVER A LITTLE BIT.
THAT'S A LITTLE BETTER, YEAH. >> BUT AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW, BETH, DID YOU HAPPEN TO GET -- I KNOW YOU WERE GOING TO LOOK AT
SOME SORT OF APPLICATION FORM? >> I'M WORKING ON THE APPLICATION USING THE APPLICATION FOR THE STATE FORM, JUST CONVERTING THAT INTO THE PDF FILLABLE FORMAT. SO IT'S NOT DONE, BUT I'M WORKING ON IT.
>> WE WILL NEED YOU TO COME UP WITH SOME SORT OF GUIDELINES FOR THE MARKER FOR THE COUNTY MARKER SIGNAGE, HOWEVER WE WANT TO DETERMINE IT. IS IT GOING TO BE FOR HISTORICAL, CULTURAL? THE EVENT TYPE OF THINGS? WHAT DO WE WANT TO USE IT THIS SIGN FOR? I USED THIS EXAMPLE BEFORE, BUT BEFORE THE RAILROAD TRACKS, WHERE THAT SUBDIVISION IS. AND, YOU KNOW, THEY MIGHT NOT MAKE THE STATE MARKER, BUT IT WOULD DEFINITELY MAKE THEM SIGN, YOU
KNOW -- >> SO IT WOULD PROBABLY NEED TO BE ARCHAEOLOGICAL, HISTORICAL, OR ARCHITECTURAL, RIGHT?
>> I WOULD SAY CULTURAL. YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK LEONARD SKINNER IS NECESSARILY HISTORICAL, BUT IT IS A CULTURAL REFERENCE. WHEN I SAY HISTORICAL, I MEAN, I'M TALKING ABOUT LIKE WHEN I THINK OF HISTORY, THAT'S WHAT I THINK OF. WHEN I THINK OF STUFF THAT IS CULTURAL.
>> BUT IT'S LOCAL HISTORY? >> YEAH. THE IMPORTANCE TO
LOCALS, YOU KNOW? >> SOMETHING TO ALSO CONSIDER IS THE LOCATION OF THE SIGNS, SO WE CAN'T PUT THEM IN THE RIGHT OF WAY. IT HAS TO BE ONLY DIRECTIONAL AND THE OFFICIAL
TRAFFIC. >> YEAH, AND THIS WOULD NEED TO BE SOMEWHERE, WHERE THEY COULD ACTUALLY HAVE PEOPLE PULL OFF SAFELY. BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO DRIVE BY THAT 45 MILES AN HOUR AND READ THAT.
>> RIGHT. >> YOU KNOW. WE WANT TO MAKE IT SAFE FOR PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO GET OUT OF THEIR CARS AND READ
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IT. >> IT WILL ALSO REQUIRE THE
PROPERTY OWNERS TO PLACE? >> YES.
>> IF IT WASN'T LIKE A COUNTY OWNED SITE. LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, IF THE MIDDLEBURG MUSEUM, YOU KNOW, FOR WHATEVER REASON GOT TURNED DOWN BY THE STATE. WE WANT TO GO AHEAD WITH THE SIGN THAT WE COULD EASILY MAKE THE SIGN AND PUT IT OFF.
>> YES, BECAUSE IT'S COUNTY PROPERTY.
>> YES. >> WE CAN USE THE STATE APPLICATION AS THE PRELIMINARY MODEL AND TWEAK IT?
>> THAT IS WHAT I THINK SHE'S WORKING ON.
>> BETH IS WORKING ON IT NOW. >> BETH IS?
>> OKAY. >> BUT THE ACTUAL, I'M SURE THE STATE HAS A LITTLE BIT OF A HIGHER THRESHOLD THAN WHAT WE MIGHT HAVE FOR LOCAL STUFF, YOU KNOW, AGAIN. JUST KIND OF USING LEONARD SKINNER. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WOULD WARRANT A STATE MARKER, BUT IT MIGHT. ACTUALLY, I THINK THAT THERE WAS ONE PUT
THERE, WASN'T THERE? >> IT WAS A PRIVATE FUNDED MARKER OUT ON THE WATER. IT WASN'T A STATE.
>> OKAY. >> BY THE WAY, SPEAKING OF THESE MARKERS, ALTHOUGH IT'S A MATTER OF STATE MARKER IN THIS CASE.
THERE WAS A MARKER FOR SAN FRANCISCO, YOU KNOW, ON THE ST.
JOHN'S, WHICH SEEMS TO HAVE DISAPPEARED ONCE AGAIN. AND THE NEW INTERSTATE CRITTER, YOU KNOW, THAT'S GOING INTO THE RIVER. YOU KNOW, DISAPPEARED ONCE BEFORE. NOW IT SEEMS TO BE
GONE. >> WE MAY WANT TO HAVE SOMEBODY FROM ENGINEERING REACH OUT TO FDOT AND THE PROJECT MANAGER OVER THERE TO SEE IT IF THEY KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT IT. I'M SURE THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THEY WOULD HAVE TO DO. ACCOUNT
FOR ANY TYPE OF MARKER OR SIGNS. >> BE GREAT AND SOMETHING WE COULD GET CLOSER TO THE ACTUAL SITE OF THE FORT, WHICH IS ON PRIVATE LAND. BUT RIGHT NOW, THEY HAVE GOOD PAVEED ROAD TO ACCESS. THERE'S PRIVATE ROADS. BUT THEN AGAIN, HAVING IT ALONG 17 WOULD BE A GOOD THING. ACTUALLY, YEAH. WE COULD CONSIDER THE COUNTY MARKER ON 17, PERHAPS. TO LET PEOPLE KNOW, YOU KNOW, A QUARTER OF A MILE IN IS WHERE IT ONCE WAS. ANYHOW,
THAT IS JUST -- >> YEAH, ANYTHING ON 17 WOULD HAVE TO GO BE APPROVED BY THE STATE BECAUSE THAT IS THE STATE
>> SO THE EASEMENTS ARE NOT COUNTY? OKAY.
>> HM. BUT, I MEAN THEY HAVE IN THE PAST WORKED WITH THE SIGNAGE, SO I DON'T KNOW IF IT WOULD BE THAT BIG OF A DEAL, BUT WE WOULD HAVE TO RUN IT BY FDOT BEFORE WHATEVER WE DID.
>> OKAY, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION OR QUESTIONS ABOUT THE SIGNAGE?
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OKAY. ANYTHING IN NEW BUSINESS? >> IT WOULD BE YOU.
>> ANY UPDATES THAT YOU HAVE ON YOUR STUFF? YOU HAVE A LOT OF
STUFF GOING ON. >> WE'RE STILL WORKING ON THE WORDING AND THE BACKGROUND SUPPORTING EVIDENCE FOR OUR SIGN AT PLEASANT POINT. I DO HAVE A QUESTION. I THINK THE BOARD SAID THEY MIGHT PUT A SIGN AROUND TRAFFIC, SO THOSE ON 209 MIGHT
KNOW THERE IS A CEMETERY POLE? >> YES, IS THAT SOMETHING WE
COULD MAYBE GET IN PROGRESS? >> YEAH, I THINK WE COULD. I KNOW -- YES. IT IS SOMETHING WE COULD DO BECAUSE WE DO HAVE CEMETERY SIGNS UP FOR OTHER CEMETERIES, SO IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE COULD DO. BUT IT WOULD BE A GENERIC -- IT WOULDN'T SAY PLEASANT POINT CEMETERY. IT WOULD JUST SAY CEMETERY.
>> WITH AN ARROW? >> YEAH, WITH AN ARROW.
>> WHEN WE GO TO PULL IN THERE, TRAFFIC COMES BLARING AROUND AND THEY DON'T CONSIDER IT BEING A LEGITIMATE PULL OFF. I THINK A
SIGN WOULD DESIGNATE FOR THAT. >> I CAN TALK TO THE COUNTY
ENGINEER ABOUT THAT. >> GREAT. SO PERHAPS TWO OF
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THEM? >> IT WILL BE TWO IN EACH
DIRECTION. >> ALL RIGHT, OTHER THAN THAT WITH PLEASANT POINT, WE'VE ALMOST GOT ALL THE TREES CLEARED. THE LANDOWNE AROUND IT WANTS TO PUT A FENCE. HE JUST GOT A BID FOR $25,000, SO HE WANTS TO GET A COUPLE OF OTHER BIDS FIRST. BUT HE TOLD ME THAT IS STILL VERY DOABLE. SO WE ARE HOPING TO FINISH UP BY NOVEMBER, AND THEN HAVE THEM COME IN AND DO THE GROUND SURVEY OF IT. AND THEN HAVE AN OFFICIAL OPENING
RIGHT BEFORE CHRISTMAS. >> AND PUT UP OUR SIGN?
>> I THINK THAT'S IT FOR ME. >> OKAY.
>> WHAT'S THE TURNAROUND TIME ON THESE COUNTY SIGNS? I KNOW WE'RE STILL WORKING ON THE PROCESS. BUT ONCE WE SUBMIT THE APPLICATION. WHAT'S THE TURNAROUND TIME?
>> PROBABLY IF WE COULD IN TWO WEEKS.
>> OKAY. >> IT DEPENDS ON THE WORKLOAD AT THE TIME IT WOULD BE WORKED INTO THE SHOP SCHEDULE. THAT'S
USUALLY A WEEK TO TWO WEEKS OUT. >> OKAY. JUST CURIOUS. SO ANY OTHER NEW BUSINESS OR DISCUSSION?
>> I DO HAVE A QUESTION, BUT I DIDN'T KNOW IF THAT WAS ON
BOARD MEMBER COMMENTS OR NOT. >> WE'LL GO -- IF NOBODY ELSE HAS ANY OTHER COMMENTS UNDER NEW BUSINESS, WE'LL GO ONTO CERTIFICATES OF APPROVAL, WHICH WE HAVE NONE. WE'LL GO TO PUBLIC COMMENTS, AND THERE'S NOBODY IN ATTENDANCE. WE'LL GO
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ON TO STAFF COMMENTS. >> I HAVE NO COMMENTS.
>> OKAY, THEN WE'LL GO ON TO BOARD COMMENTS. WE'LL START WITH MELISSA AND WORK OUR WAY DOWN.
>> I HAVE NOTHING. >> OKAY. KATHY, NOW IS YOUR
TURN. >> OKAY. SO I HAD SOMEBODY ASK ME ABOUT THE PRESERVATION BOARD. AND I TOLD THEM, YES, I TALK ABOUT CEMETERIES, AND WE ARE TALKING ABOUT HISTORIC MARKERS.
AND THEY WANTED TO KNOW WHAT WE'RE DOING AS FAR AS PRESERVATION OF HISTORIC BUILDINGS. I KNOW THE FLORIDA SCHOOL IS SOMETHING BECAUSE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE MARKER, BUT SOMEBODY HAD SAID THE RIVER'S HOUSE IS BEING RENOVATED. IS THAT A SEPARATE, PRIVATE FUNDING THING? WHAT'S
GOING ON? >> IT'S THE RIVER'S HOUSE?
>> YEAH. >> OKAY, THE UNINCORPORATED COUNTY IS YOUR JURISDICTION, SO WE WOULD HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH
>> AS FAR AS PRESERVATION AND THE COUNTY, THEY WOULD HAVE TO BE DESIGNATED AS BY THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS AS A
>> AND IN THAT CASE, THEN WHEN THEY WOULD DO ANY RENOVATIONS OR RESTORATION OF THE PROPERTY, THEY WOULD NEED TO SUBMIT AN APPLICATION DESCRIBING AND PRESENTING WHAT IMPROVEMENTS THEY WANT TO MAKE. YOU WOULD APPROVE THEM ALONG WITH THE BUILDING OFFICIAL TO DETERMINE IF THEY ARE APPROPRIATE. AND THEN THEY COULD MOVE FORWARD. BUT CURRENTLY WE DO NOT HAVE PROPERTIES DESIGNATED, AND THAT'S A VOLUNTARY THING.
PROPERTY OWNERS HAVE TO BE WILLING TO SUBJECT THEMSELVES
TO, YOU KNOW, REVIEW. >> OKAY.
>> IT'S A MATTER OF UNDERSTANDING THE VALUE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION AND PROTECTING YOUR PROPERTY, AS WELL AS, YOU KNOW, DISTRICTS THAT ARE OF SIGNIFICANT HISTORY.
>> OKAY. SO I KNOW THERE IS A HISTORIC HOUSE IN MIDDLEBURG IN THE HISTORIC AREA OF MIDDLEBURG, AND THEY'VE GOT A SIGN OUT THERE -- I DON'T REMEMBER THE NAME OF THE HOUSE. BUT IT'S FROM 1885. IT'S -- IT NEEDS RENOVATIONS. I WAS TALKING TO HER, AND I TOLD HER THE STATE, I'M NOT SURE HOW THE STATE WORKS, AS FAR AS GETTING GRANTS FOR STUFF. I DIDN'T KNOW IF THESE BUILDINGS NEEDED TO BE REGISTERED WITH THE STATE, HOW THEY DO -- WHAT DO THEY CALL IT? WHERE THEY HAVE -- I DON'T KNOW, WHERE THEY REGISTER THEM AS A HISTORIC BUILDING OR THINGS OF THAT NATURE. I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT WAS INVOLVED. SOMEBODY SAYS WHAT ARE WE DOING AS A BOARD IN REGARD TO HISTORIC BUILDINGS WITHIN THE COUNTY? AND I DIDN'T KNOW HOW TO ANSWER THAT.
>> I BELIEVE THERE WAS A SURVEY SOME YEARS AGO, I THINK IN THE
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80S. WHICH ESTABLISHED FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH, A HISTORIC DISTRICTIN MIDDLEBURG. >> THERE IS, YES.
>> OF WHICH THOSE BUILDINGS ARE PROBABLY INCLUDED AS A COLLECTIVE, YEAH. BUT ONE THING THAT ALWAYS SEEMS TO BE IN THE WAY, AS FAR AS I COULD TELL, WE'VE NEVER BEEN ABLE TO TACKLE OR HAVEN'T -- SOME KIND OF PROPOSED RULE FOR DESIGNATING HISTORIC DISTRICTS. AND THERE IS THAT ONCE THEY'RE ESTABLISHED, THEY COULD START NEGOTIATING WITH LANDOWNERS AND EVERYTHING TO COOPERATE WITH THAT. BUT I WAS HOPING THAT SOME OF THE BETTER FUNDING PEOPLE AROUND WOULD PROVIDE US WITH A MODEL OF HOW TO GO ABOUT THAT. BUT I THOUGHT JACKSONVILLE INITIALLY HAD THESE PROGRAMS, BUT IT TURNS OUT YOU'VE GOT THESE AUTONOMOUS DISTRICTS THAT AREN'T THE SAME AS EACH OTHER.
>> RIGHT, LIKE IN SPRINGFIELD AND THE RIVERSIDE.
>> YEAH, YEAH. I GUESS WE COULD TRY TO COLLECT THE THINGS IN ORANGE PARK AND A FEW YEARS AGO. THEY'RE STILL MEETING AND TRYING TO WORK OUT A THING. IT DOESN'T EVER SEEM TO COME TO A CONCLUSION. THAT'LL BE GREAT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THEY WANTED TO DEVELOP A HISTORIC DISTRICT DESIGNATION FOR THEIR BUILDINGS.
>> THEY HAVE SOME KIND OF REGISTERED, DON'T THEY, FOR THE
>> THE STATE? >> WELL -- AS OPPOSED TO
ARCHAEOLOGICAL SITE? >> WOULD IT JUST BE THE MASTER
>> SOMEBODY ASKED, YOU KNOW, IF THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE EVEN
TRIED TO GET INVOLVED IN. >> YEAH. I CERTAINLY THINK WE OUGHT TO. YEAH. NOBODY SEEMS TO KNOW ENOUGH OR HAVE THE DETERMINATION AND IT SEEMS TO BE THE COUNTY IS ALWAYS A LITTLE TOO BUSY TO PUT THEMSELVES BEHIND IT EITHER. WE KEEP HEARING HOW WE'RE RESTRICTED BY VARIOUS RULES. NOT HOW YOU COULD
GET TO MOVE IT FORWARD. >> ONLY COMMENT IS THE MUSEUM MAY BE ACQUIRING LEONARD SKINNER ARTIFACTS HERE PRETTY SOON.
>> OH, HOW EXCITING. >> THAT'S IT.
>> WELL, FOR THAT MATTER, SINCE HE JUST MENTIONED TO ME THAT THE SEARCH FOR THE REAL SITE OF FORT NUMBER 11, HE OR PEOPLE, PROPERTY OWNERS, HAVE GIVEN HIM A FEW ARTIFACTS THAT WERE RECOVERED ON THE GROUND THAT HE WAS WILLING TO TURN OVER TO THE MUSEUM, THE COUNTY MUSEUM. IF WE COULD FIND ROOM FOR IT.
>> IT WOULD BE MORE APPROPRIATE WITH IT OR MIDDLEBURG.
>> WITH US BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT MIDDLEBURG.
>> OH, OKAY. I THOUGHT IT WAS MIDDLEBURG AREA. ALL RIGHT.
>> JERRY, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING? >> WELL, I MEAN, THAT WAS THE ONLY THING LEFT. SOMETHING I HAVEN'T ALREADY MENTIONED.
>> OKAY. >> YOU DON'T HAVE ANYTHING?
>> I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING. >> SEEING NOTHING ELSE ON
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.