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>> CLAY COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION SEPTEMBER 2ND.
FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
>> MY NAME IS PETE DAVIS. I AM THE --
>> PLANNING COMMISSION. MINUTES TONIGHT WILL BE TAKEN BY CHRISTINE BLANCHET. OTHER STAFF MEMBERS I SEE TONIGHT. THE ASSISTANT LEGAL GRID WITHOUT HOWARD. WELCOME. COUNTY MANAGER.
AND -- THAT'S RIGHT. WE'RE GLAD YOU'RE HERE. ALSO PRESENT WE HAVE JENNI BRYLA , WHO IS THE ZONING CHIEF. AND WE HAVE DODIE SELIG, WHO IS CHIEF PLANNER. KELLY. YEAH. KELLY IS BACK HERE IN THE BACK. HEAD OF ECONOMIC AND DEVELOPMENT SERVICES COORDINATOR. AND TONIGHT WE HAVE DEPUTY -- THAT'S RIGHT.
WELCOME. GLAD YOU ARE HERE. ALL RIGHT. FELLOW COMMISSIONERS ON MY RIGHT. COMMISSIONER BO NORTON, COMMISSIONER RALPH PUCKHABER, COMMISSIONER MARY BRIDGMAN GRID TO MY LEFT IS COMMISSIONER JOE ANZALONE . AND PAUL REPRESENTING THE SCHOOL BOARD. CLAY COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION ADVISORY BOARD TO THE CLAY COUNTY BOARD COUNTY COMMISSIONERS. MOST OF THE DECISIONS MADE BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION OR RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE BOARD OF COMMON -- COUNTY COMMISSIONERS OR COMMONLY KNOWN AS THE BCC. BCC WILL HAVE FINAL SAY AT THEIR MEETING EITHER THE SECOND TUESDAY ONE WEEK FROM TODAY OR THE FOURTH TUESDAY, THREE WEEKS FROM TODAY. BCC MEETING STARTS AT 4:00 P.M.
ZONING AND LAND MATTERS STARTING AT 5:00 P.M. PLEASE CHECK THE BCC AGENDA FOR ITEMS ON THE CLAY COUNTY WEBSITE . ANY ITEMS ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA THAT YOU WISH TO SPEAK ABOUT, PLEASE FILL OUT A CARD THAT YOU WILL FIND THAT LOOKS LIKE THIS. AND IF YOU WISH TO SPEAK , MAKE NOTATION OF THE NUMBER ON THE AGENDA THAT YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT. IF YOU DON'T WANT TO SPEAK, THERE IS A BOX AT THE LOWER LEFT-HAND CORNER OF IT WHERE YOU CAN MAKE NOTE OF YOUR RECOMMENDATION IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO INVESTIGATE WHETHER YOU ARE FOR OR AGAINST THE AGENDA ITEM. ONCE YOU FILL OUT THIS CARD, PLEASE GIVE IT TO MS. BLANCHET . AT THIS TIME,
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PLEASE PUT YOUR CELL PHONES ON SILENT, VIBRATE. IF YOU NEED TO TAKE A CALL DURING THE MEETING, PLEASE STEP OUTSIDE. IF YOU NEED TO LEAVE THE MEETING, PLEASE DO SO QUIETLY. FIRST ITEM OF ACTION FOR THE COMMISSION TONIGHT IS APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FROM THE AUGUST 5TH MEETING OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION. DO WE HAVE>> SECOND. >> ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. THOSE IN FAVOR, SAME SIGN. OKAY. WE HAVE A SECTION ON THE AGENDA CALLED OPEN PUBLIC COMMENTS. IT IS FOR ANYTHING -- OPEN COMMENT PERIOD IS FOR ANYTHING YOU WISH TO TALK ABOUT THAT IS NOT ON THE AGENDA. IT NEEDS TO BE PERTINENT TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION WHETHER IT IS A ZONING ISSUE, POLICY ISSUE, OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. I DON'T HAVE ANY CARDS FOR THAT. I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING . DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING THEY WISH TO TALK ABOUT ? C9, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. WE ALWAYS WELCOME THE PUBLIC TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING. THE BACKBONE OF OUR DEMOCRATIC FORM OF GOVERNMENT. YOUR PRESENCE HERE IS IMPORTANT AND APPRECIATED. ALL PLANNING COMMISSIONERS , VOLUNTEERS, RESIDENTS OF CLAY COUNTY APPOINTED BY THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS SERVE TWO-YEAR TERMS AND REAPPLY TO CONTINUE TO SERVE. COMMISSION DUTIES ARE
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OUTLINED IN SECTION 163.3174 FLORIDA STATUTE. APPLICATION FOR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENTS , LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE CHANGES, AND REZONINGS . THE COMMISSIONERS THE DECISIONS ADVISORY BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS. THE PROCESS FOR THE MEETING WILL BE EACH ITEM ON THE PUBLIC HEARING AGENDA WILL BE REPRESENTED BY A MEMBER OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING DEPARTMENT AS PART OF THE PRESENTATION, STAFF WILL INDICATE WHETHER THEY RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE REQUESTED LAND-USE ZONING OR LAND DEVELOPMENT CHANGE. NEXT, THE APPLICANT WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK. FOLLOWING THE APPLICANT'S PRESENTATION, WELCOME MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC TO OFFER THEIR VIEWS. IF YOU WISH TO SPEAK , FILL OUT THIS CARD.GIVE IT TO MS. BLANCHET, AND THEN TAKE THE OATH, WHICH MS. BLANCHET WILL ADMINISTER MOMENTARILY. IF YOU AREN'T SURE WHETHER YOU WISH TO SPEAK OR NOT, GO AHEAD AND TAKE THE OATH.
TIME WILL BE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES. THE LIGHT ON THE PODIUM WILL HELP YOU KEEP TRACK OF THE TIME. YOUR TIME IS FOR STATING YOUR VIEWS, NOT FOR ASKING QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT, MEMBERS OF THE STAFF, OR COMMISSIONERS. COMMENTS ARE TO BE DIRECTED TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION. AFTER STAFF, THE APPLICANT, AND THE PUBLIC HAVE HAD ALL THEIR CHANCE TO STATE THEIR VIEWS, THE FLOOR WILL BE CLOSED FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS AND THE APPLICANT WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO RESPOND TO COMMENTS BY THE PUBLIC. AT THIS TIME, THE COMMISSIONERS WILL DISCUSS THE MATTER IF NECESSARY AND RENDER A DECISION. AGAIN, I THINK YOU AND COMMEND YOU FOR YOUR PARTICIPATION IN THIS PROCESS. BEFORE WE BEGIN, MS. BLANCHET WILL ISSUE A NOTICE SWEAR IN ANYONE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OR OPPOSITION TO THE APPLICATION. IF YOU DO SO, PLEASE RISE AND MOVE TO THE
CENTER. >> DO YOU SOLEMNLY SWEAR AND
[1. Public Hearing to consider ZON 25-0019. (District 4, Comm. Condon) (J. Bryla)]
AFFIRM THE TESTIMONY YOU ARE ABOUT TO GIVE WILL BE THE WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH, SO HELP YOU GOD? THANK YOU, ALL.>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THE FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS PUBLIC HEARING ZON 25-0019 . MS. JENNI BRYLA WILL GIVE US AN OVERVIEW OF THIS. I THINK THIS ONE TAKES TWO MOTIONS. IS THAT CORRECT ? NO, IT IS NOT? ONLY ONE?
>> IT IS JUST THE REZONING. >> MY BAD.
>> AS YOU SHARED -- EXCUSE ME. JENNI BRYLA, ZONING CHIEF PRESENTING ZON 25-0019. THIS IS A REZONING REQUEST BY THE APPLICANT TO CHANGE ROUGHLY FIVE ACRE PARCEL FROM BA-2 TO BB-3.
THIS PARCEL IS LOCATED IN THE CLAY COUNTY OVERLAY ADJACENT TO COUNTY ROAD 218. HERE YOU CAN SEE THE GRAPHICS ILLUSTRATE WHERE THE PARCEL IS LOCATED AND THE DEVELOPMENT AROUND THE SUBJECT PARCEL. AND YOU WILL NOTICE MOST OF THE PROPERTY SURROUNDED THE SUBJECT PARCEL ARE SINGLE-FAMILY IN NATURE, ALTHOUGH COUNTY ROAD 218 DOES STRETCH -- HAVE A STRETCH OF COMMERCIAL LAND-USE TO THE NORTH OF THE SUBJECT PARCEL. YOU CAN SEE IN THE GRAPHICS THE HASH LINES INDICATE THAT IT IS IN THE CLAY HILL OVERLAY. AS DISCUSSED, THE AREA TO THE NORTH AND TO THE SOUTH OF THE SUBJECT PARCEL CONTAINING AREAS OF COMMERCIAL FUTURE LAND-USE , HOWEVER, THE CORRESPONDING ZONING DISTRICTS ARE A MISMATCH OF DIFFERENT TYPES OF COMMERCIAL USES AN DENSITIES. BB ZONING, WHICH IS NO LONGER A PERMITTED CHOICE, CAN BE AN INTENSE USE AND BA USE IS INTENDED TO BE MORE LOCAL COMMERCIAL USES. AND SO THIS MAP IS A LITTLE MISLEADING IN THAT IT IS ALL GRAY. BUT THERE ARE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN BB IS THE DARKER GRAY AND THE BA IS THE LIGHTER GRAY ON THE MAP .
THE CLAY HILL OVERLAY -- EXCUSE ME. THE CLAY HILL OVERLAY RUNS PARALLEL TO COUNTY ROAD 218 AND THE OVERLAY IS INTENDED TO PROVIDE THE DISTRICT SOME CONSISTENCY AND IDENTITY FOR NON-RESIDENTIALLY ZONED PROPERTIES. THE OVERLAY ENCOURAGES THE RUSTIC FLORIDA AND ALL STORAGES TO THE ENCLOSED
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IN A BUILDING. THE PLAN DOES ALLOW FOR OUTDOOR STORAGE, HOWEVER, IT MUST BE BUFFERED ON ALL SIDES WITH A 15-FOOT OPAQUE BUFFER. THESE ARE SOME OF THE EXAMPLES OF THE FLORIDA CRACKER STYLE CALLED FOR IN THE PLAN, AND SOME ELEMENTS OF IMPORTANCE LIKE THE DETAILS, ARCHITECTURAL MASSING , BUILDING MATERIALS, AND HEIGHT. SO HERE I TRIED TO ELABORATE A LITTLE BIT MORE ON THE ZONING DISTRICTS BECAUSE THE GRAYS ARE SO CLOSE TOGETHER.THIS IS PARTICULAR PARCEL REQUEST COULD BE CONSTRUED AS SPOT ZONING IS THE MAJORITY OF PARCELS ALONG THE SOUTHWEST OF 218 ARE OFFICE PARCELS OR BA-2, WHICH IS THAT LOCAL COMMERCIAL DESIGNATION, WHEREAS THE BB IS A MUCH MORE INTENSE ZONING DISTRICT. IT IS TO THE NORTH OF 218 OR ON THE NORTH SIDE. THIS IS THE LIST OF ADDRESSES THAT WE SENT WITHIN THE 350 FEET . AND STAFF HAS RECEIVED NO COMMENTS TO DATE . SO THIS IS A PROJECT FOR OUTDOOR TIRE STORAGE . THIS WAS HEARD BY THE MIDDLEBURG CLAY HILL CAC, WHICH RECOMMENDED APPROVAL 7-0. HOWEVER, IT WAS NOT HEARD BY THE CLAY HILL ADVISORY BOARD . THOSE ARE TWO VERY DIFFERENT THINGS, WHICH IT WILL NEED TO BE HEARD BEFORE CONSTRUCTION ENSUES. BASED ON THE CRITERIA AND THE STAFF REPORT, I DO FIND THAT THE REQUEST IS INCONSISTENT WITH THE INTENT OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND THE CLAY HILL OVERLAY.
AND RECOMMEND DENIAL OF 25-0019 . HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS
YOU MAY HAVE . >> ANY QUESTIONS ?
>> COULD YOU CLARIFY THE CLAY HILL CAC AND CLAY HILL -- WHAT WAS THE OTHER PHRASE YOU USED ?
>> RIGHT. SO THE CLAY HILL ADVISORY BOARD IS SPECIFICALLY LOOKING AT CLAY HILL AND THE OVERLAY DISTRICT . AND THE CRITERIA IN THE OVERLAY DISTRICT, WHEREAS THE MIDDLEBURG CLAY HILL CAC IS A GROUP OF INDIVIDUALS TAKEN FROM
MIDDLEBURG AND CLAY HILL. >> WHO -- ARE THERE MEMBERS OF THE CLAY HILL OVERLAY -- WHATEVER THAT PHRASE WAS ?
>> CLAY HILL ADVISORY BOARD. >> CLAY HILL ADVISORY BOARD , WHICH IS DIFFERENT THAN THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE. DOES THE CLAY HILL ADVISORY BOARD -- IS IT A COMMITTEE THAT HAS STOOD UP
AND HAS ACTIVE MEMBERS? >> I'M NOT AWARE IF THEY ARE ON
THE CLAY HILL MIDDLEBURG CAC. >> YEAH. I LOVE THE IDEA OF IT OBVIOUSLY, BUT I'VE NEVER HEARD OF IT. SO -- OKAY. THANK YOU.
>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF STAFF? I HAVE ONE QUESTION, MS. BRYLA.
ALL THE BBS THAT ARE ON THAT MAP, WHICH YOU SHOWED -- THOSE WERE ALL THERE BEFORE 1999. IS THAT CORRECT? OKAY.
>> YES, SIR. 1992. NO LONGER AN ALLOWABLE USE. OR ALLOWABLE
DISTRICT. >> I CAN ELABORATE ON THAT A LITTLE BIT. WHEN THEY CREATED 1990 OR 91 , WHENEVER IT WAS, THEY CREATED THESE IDEAS THAT THIS IS GOING TO BE A COMMERCIAL -- SIMILAR TO OTHER PLACES WHERE THEY DID ADMINISTRATIVE ZONING .
THIS FROM HERE TO HERE IS GOING TO BE WHATEVER DIFFERENT ZONING CZAR. SO THAT'S HOW THAT CAME TO BE. MOST OF THEM ARE NOT
CURRENTLY BUSINESSES. >> CORRECT.
>> JENNI, COULD YOU WALK US THROUGH ASSUMING THEY WERE TO BE BB-3, WHAT ARE THE BUFFERING'S ?
>> IN THE CLAY HILL OVERLAY THAT ALLOWS FOR OUTDOOR STORAGE BUT IT HAS TO BE A 15-FOOT OPAQUE BUFFER AROUND ALL SIDES .
>> 15 FOOT HIGH? >> NO, WIDE. I THINK IT IS
>> OKAY. AND DOES OPAQUE -- IS THAT LANDSCAPE ONLY OR IS IT REQUIRED TO HAVE A FENCE WITH SOME TYPE OF SCREENING ?
>> THE CLAY HILL OVERLAY DOESN'T SPECIFY, BUT I WOULD INTERPRET IT THAT IT WANTS TO BE VISUALLY ON ACCESSIBLE .
>> OKAY, THANK YOU. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF STAFF ? DOES THE APPLICANT HERE? COME TELL US WHAT YOU ARE DOING.
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PLEASE GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.>> SARAH SMART. ADDRESS IS 5401 COUNTY ROAD 218. I'M SORRY.
WHAT DO YOU WANT ME TO -- >> YOU ARE REQUESTING A BB-3 FOR OUTSIDE STORAGE. DO YOU HAVE AN IDEA AS TO WHAT YOU PLAN TO
STORE OUTSIDE ? >> YES. YES, APOLOGIES. WE HAVE AN AGRICULTURAL TIRE BUSINESS. IT IS NOT SEMI-TIRES OR SMALL TIRES. THEY ARE QUITE LARGE. THEY GO ON LOGGING EQUIPMENT IN THE WOODS. THE SERVICE IS DONE IN THE WOODS BUT THE STORES AND OFFICE USE ARE ON THE PROPERTY. THERE IS WHAT LOOKS LIKE A TOW TRUCK WITH A CRANE ARM THAT ENTERS THE PROPERTY, GRABS THE TIRE, LEAVES THE PROPERTY, GOES TO THE WOODS AND INSTALLS THE PROPERTY OR THE TIRE . SO THAT'S WHAT WE DO THERE. THE WAY IT LOOKS CURRENTLY IS PROBABLY WHAT IT WILL LOOK LIKE WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE ZONING ISSUE BROUGHT UPON BECAUSE WE TRIED TO CREATE A BARN FOR STORAGE OF THE TIRES BUT WE ENCOUNTERED SEVERAL PROBLEMS ALONG THE WAY. I HAVE BEEN TO SEVERAL DRC MEETINGS. THEY HAVE SUBMITTED LANDSCAPE REQUIREMENTS, WHICH -- I KNOW THAT PEOPLE DON'T LIKE TO LOOK AT TIRES. SO WE ARE WILLING TO ACCOMMODATE, BUT THE COUNTY WANTS US TO DO, BUT WE NEED THE ZONING BECAUSE THE PRACTICALITY OF STORING THEM IN THE BUILDING --
WITH THE FIRE MARSHAL. >> OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS OF THE
APPLICANT? >> I JUST HAD ONE, MR. CHAIR.
THE STORAGE. YOU MENTIONED POLE BARN. ALL OF THIS STORED UNDER POLE BARNS. I WILL TELL YOU WHY I'M ASKING THAT. TIRES ARE NOTORIOUS BREEDERS OF MOSQUITOES.
>> UNDERSTOOD. >> SO IF THEY ARE OUT IN THE WEATHER WHERE THEY CAN GET WATER THAT IS STAGNANT, THAT IS A PROBLEM.
THEM IN THE POLE BARN, SO WE WOULD HAVE TO FIND A DIFFERENT WAY TO STORE THEM. WHATEVER THE COUNTY REQUIREMENTS ARE . WE ARE WILLING TO PUT A TOP ON THEM OR TO TREAT THEM REGULARLY WITH BLEACH AND WATER . THAT IS WHAT WE DID WHEN IT WAS AT OUR RESIDENCE . SO I THINK WE ARE WILLING TO ACCOMMODATE THAT. I JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT THE EXACT RULES ARE AND WHAT THE FIRE
MARSHAL WILL ALLOW. >> THANK YOU.
>> IS THE BUSINESS CURRENTLY OPERATING IN THAT LOCATION?
>> YES, IT IS. >> HOW MANY TIRES ARE THERE NOW
JUST BALLPARK ? >> PROBABLY ABOUT 150.
>> WHAT WOULD BE THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT OF TIRES YOU THINK WOULD
EVER BE THERE? >> THAT IS AN EXCELLENT
>> I WOULD SAY 500 IS PROBABLY THE MOST THAT WOULD EXIST. THEY DO MOVE IN AND OUT. THEY DON'T STAY LONG. THEY GET BROUGHT IN WITH A SEMI-. THEY MOVE THEM AS NEEDED.
>> THANK YOU. >> YOU'RE WELCOME.
>> BEING THAT YOU ARE DOING BUSINESS STRUCTURE OR ARE YOU IN A TRAILER?
>> THE PROPERTY CAME WITH A SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENCE. AND THE FUTURE LAND USE IS BA-2, SO WHEN WE PURCHASED IT, IT IS BA-2. SO THERE IS AN ACTUAL HOUSE THERE, WHICH IS A PERMANENT STRUCTURE.
THERE IS ALSO A LITTLE SCREENED PORCH AREA. AND THEN THERE IS A RETENTION POND. AND THEN THERE IS OPEN LAND THAT HAS BEEN -- THERE IS A ROAD THAT GOES THROUGH THE PROPERTY TO THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY WHERE THE TIRES ARE STORED.
>> THE TIRES ARE NOT IN THE FRONT PART OF THE PROPERTY.
>> ABSOLUTELY NOT. CORRECT. WE DON'T INTEND TO STORE THEM
>> YES. THAT IS CORRECT. >> JUST WANT TO FOLLOW UP ON JOE'S QUESTION ABOUT STORING IN THE FRONT. IT IS NEVER YOUR INTENTION TO HAVE THE TIRES STORED IN FRONT OF THE HOUSE.
>> IT IS NOT. IT IS NOT. THAT IS A LIABILITY FOR US .
>> GOOD LUCK STEALING ONE OF THOSE.
>> IT IS UNBELIEVABLE, BUT IT HAPPENS. ABSOLUTELY.
>> ON THE CURRENT USAGE -- YOU SET UP TO ABOUT 500 UNITS THAT YOU WOULD HAVE ON THE PARCEL. WHAT PERCENTAGE OF LOT COVERAGE DO YOU EXPECT YOU WOULD HAVE COVERED WITH TIRES ?
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>> OKAY, I CAN ANSWER THAT. THE SECTION THAT IS BEHIND THE BLACKLINE IS THE INTENDED AREA FOR THAT TIRES. THAT IS BEHIND THE RETENTION POND . SO IT HAS GOT THE CROSS LINES AND THEN THE ONE LINE . THE LITTLE SKINNY GRAY SECTION IS WHERE WE ARE CURRENTLY TRYING TO -- WE HAVE THEM STORED. AND THEN WE WILL ALSO BUILD THE POLE BARN ON THAT STRIP AS WELL. SO EVERYTHING THAT LOOKS INDUSTRIAL WILL BE ON THE VERY BACKSIDE OF THE PROPERTY WITH A 15-FOOT ALLOWANCE PER THE ZONING
GUIDELINES. >> THAT IS THE HORIZONTAL BUFFER. MY NEXT QUESTION WAS THE VERTICAL BUFFER. ARE YOU PUTTING
UP A FENCE? >> SO, I BELIEVE THAT WE ARE REQUIRED -- IT IS COMPLETELY FENCED IN , BUT IT IS CHAIN-LINK. SO WE WILL BE PUTTING IN CANOPY TREES AND THE LANDSCAPING REQUIRED WE CAN PUT IN OFFENSIVE THAT WOULD BE A
>> IT IS QUITE TALL. IT HAS TO BE SIX FOOT OR BETTER. BUT IT IS
CHAIN-LINK. >> WITH CHAIN-LINK -- AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG. JENNI CAN CORRECT ME. YOU CAN SLIDE IN THOSE PIECES AND THAT BECOMES OPAQUE RED I THINK THAT MEETS REQUIREMENT. YOU WILL HAVE TO CONFIRM THAT WITH STAFF. BUT IS THE FENCE SIX FOOT TALL? THAT WOULD SAVE YOU MONEY ASSUMING THIS PASSES. THAT WOULD SAVE YOU MONEY TO MEET THE REQUIREMENTS.
DOES THAT FENCE GO ALL THE WAY AROUND THE PROPERTY OR JUST THE
BACK PARCEL? >> IT GOES ALL THE WAY AROUND THE PROPERTY EXCEPT FOR THE ADJOINING BA BB TO PROPERTY ON THE LEFT. THAT IS A METAL FABRICATION SHOP. A SECTION OF THAT IS BARB WIRE. BUT THAT IS ON THE SIDE THAT IS TOUCHING THE BUSINESS NEXT TO US. THE PARTS OF OUR PROPERTY THAT TOUCH ANYTHING ELSE . THAT ONE STRIP . AND IT WAS THAT WAY WHEN WE
PURCHASED IT . >> OKAY. MY LAST QUESTION IS, WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT STACKING TIRES, ARE YOU STACKING THEM OR ARE THEY JUST LAYING FLAT ON THE GROUND?
>> SO THEY ARE IN STACKS. YES. >> HOW TALL ARE THOSE STACKS? NOT BY QUANTITY, BUT BY HEIGHT. HOW MANY FEET IN THE AIR?
>> I'M GOING TO SAY IT IS PROBABLY LEVEL WITH THE FENCE. I WILL GIVE IT SIX FEET. BUT WE CAN STACK THEM DIFFERENTLY AS
WELL. >> OKAY. THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE
THAT. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY. I HAVE GOT TWO QUICK ONES. ONE IS, YOU SAY YOUR BUSINESS IS TO CHANGE TIRES ON LARGE PIECES OF EQUIPMENT. SO SOME OF THESE TIRES ARE QUITE -- IF WE'RE TALKING FRONT END LOADERS AND
THAT SORT OF STUFF -- >> THEY ARE LARGER THAN FRONT
END LOADERS. >> WHAT DO YOU DO WITH THE OLD TIRES? DO YOU ARRANGE FOR DISPOSAL?
>> WE DO. WE HAVE A FLATBED TRUCK THAT COMES IN AND PICKS UP THE DISPOSED TIRES AND WE ACTUALLY DISPOSE OF THEM IN ALABAMA BECAUSE IT IS THE MOST REASONABLE PRICE.
APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. >> THANK YOU.
>> WITH THE CLAY HILL OVERLAY -- >> OKAY.
>> CLAY HILL OVERLAY. THE 15-FOOT BUFFER. DOES THAT APPLY WHEN YOU ARE ADJACENT TO OTHER COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES ? BECAUSE MOST OF OUR BUFFERS ONLY EXIST BETWEEN RESIDENTIAL AND
COMMERCIAL. >> I WOULD SAY IT DOES.
>> IT SEEMS A LITTLE -- I'M GOING TO COME BACK TO THAT .
>> OKAY. >> OPEN PUBLIC HEARING. I DON'T HAVE ANY CARDS ON THIS ITEM. DOES ANYBODY WISH TO COME FORWARD AND SPEAK ON THIS AGENDA ITEM? SEEING NONE COMING FORWARD, CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. I HAVE ONE QUESTION FOR STAFF. YOU STAYED IN HERE THAT BASED ON THE ANALYSIS , STAFF DOES NOT FIND THAT THE REQUEST IS CONSISTENT WITH THE INTENT OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE OR CLAY HILL OVERLAY RECOMMENDED DENIAL. HOW IS IT -- WE'VE GOT THE CAC THAT SAYS -- DID WE HAVE A CAC RULING ON THIS? THEY RECOMMEND APPROVAL. OKAY. CAN YOU EXPAND ON HOW IT IS INCONSISTENT?
>> SURE. >> I MEAN, WE'VE GOT BB ALL THE
WAY AROUND IT . >> IT HAS BA AROUND IT. SO THE ONE PROPERTY TO THE NORTH WEST CATTY CORNER IS BB. BUT THAT IS
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A SINGLE-FAMILY HOME. AND SO THIS IS THE FIRST BB-3, WHICH IS AN INTENSITY BEING INTRODUCED INTO THIS BLOCK OF HOMES OR THIS BLOCK OF PROPERTIES. WHICH IS WHY I FELT IT IS BORDERLINE SPOT ZONING. IT IS INTRODUCING A MORE INTENSE LAND-USE AND LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS. I ALSO FELT LIKE BASED ON THE CLAY HILL OVERLAY THAT IT WAS LOOKING FOR MORE OF AN AESTHETIC STANDARD THAT IS AN UPGRADE FROM WHAT IS PRESENTLY OUT THERE AND WHAT THIS BUILDING OR THIS USE WOULD PROPOSE.>> THANK YOU. >> AND I WAS VERY MUCH IN SUPPORT WHEN IT WAS GOING TO BE INSIDE A BUILDING, BUT THEN I BELIEVE THAT AS IT TRANSPIRED THAT IT BECAME MORE EXPENSIVE .
>> I HAVE AN AERIAL . >> SEE WHAT THE PROPERTY LOOKS LIKE
>> IT IS IN THE PACKAGE. SO, MR. CHAIR? WHILE HE IS LOOKING FOR THAT, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK AREA OUT THERE AND IS QUITE PASSIONATE ABOUT THIS -- I TEND TO SUPPORT HIS PASSION ON THIS. WHAT YOUR THOUGHTS ARE?
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I WENT BY TODAY BECAUSE YOU ARE RIGHT .
YOU PROBABLY DON'T REALIZE, BUT I LIVE NOT TOO FAR FROM YOU GUYS RIGHT UP THE ROAD. RIGHT ACROSS FROM THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. LESS THAN A MILE AWAY. AND I HAVE LIVED AT THEIR INS '85, I THINK. VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT TRYING TO MAINTAIN SOME AESTHETIC QUALITY IF WE CAN. IT IS AN UPHILL BATTLE, BUT WE PUT THE OVERLAY PLAN IN PLACE . I THINK IT WAS 2011 WHEN IT HAPPENED. WE WERE TRYING TO BE AHEAD OF FUTURE DEVELOPMENT. SO I'M SURE YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THE BUSINESS OUT TOWARD 301 ON THE LEFT-HAND SIDE WHERE THEY HAVE ALL THE AGGRO CONTROL EQUIPMENT . TIDEWATER. SO THAT BUILDING IS THE WAY IT IS BECAUSE THE CLAY HILL OVERLAY PLAN. OF THE GABLE. THE STONE ON THE FRONT. THE LANDSCAPE. SO THE PLAN IS EFFECTIVE IF IT IS BEING FOLLOWED. AND SO SEPARATE FROM THIS ISSUE , I HAVE BEEN AND CONTINUE TO BE CONCERNED THAT SOME OF THOSE BUSINESSES ARE NOT ADHERING TO ANY SORT OF CODE. AND THE COUNTY CODE ENFORCEMENT CAPACITY , YOU KNOW, IS NOT ADDRESSING IT. SO I WENT OUT TODAY. FIRST OF ALL JUST TO GO DRIVE BY THE PLACE , WHICH I HAVE DONE MANY, MANY, MANY TIMES. I TOOK SOME PHOTOS. AND I WANTED TO SHARE THOSE WITH THE BOARD TODAY. JENNI. KELLY WAS GOING TO HELP ME OUT AND HAVE IT ON THE POWERPOINT. PDF OR SOMETHING. AND I JUST WANT TO SHOW YOU THE AREA. SO I AM TORN.
ENTREPRENEUR SUPPORT SMALL BUSINESS. IT'S WHAT WE ARE ALL ABOUT. WOULD NEVER WANT TO DO ANYTHING TO HINDER THAT. HOWEVER , MY CONCERN IS NOT SO MUCH WITH THEIR -- THEY ARE PLANNING .
THEY ARE WELL-INTENTIONED. WE HAVE SIT HERE AND HEARD WELL-INTENTIONED'S FOREVER, BUT THEN WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THIS BUSINESS -- THEY SELL OR SOMETHING HAPPENS? AND WHAT WE HAVE -- I DON'T KNOW. IS THAT THE FIRST ONE ? YEAH. AGAIN, SORRY. NOT THE BEST PHOTOGRAPHS . FROM MY PHONE WHILE DRIVING DOWN THE ROAD . TRYING TO STOP AND NOT LOOK TOO CONSPICUOUS.
>> GREAT JOB. >> THANK YOU. THIS IS ACROSS THE STREET. I APOLOGIZE. WHAT WAS YOUR NAME AGAIN? SARAH SMART.
FROM MS. SMART'S BUSINESS. AGAIN, NO DISRESPECT TO ANYONE, BUT I DON'T KNOW ANY OTHER WORD TO USE TO ACCURATELY AND ADEQUATELY DESCRIBE IT EXCEPT TO SAY THAT IT IS A JUNKYARD.
>> THIS IS ACROSS THE STREET ? >> THIS PHOTO IS DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET. LITERALLY PARKED IN FRONT OF THEIR YARD I TOOK THAT PHOTO. NOTICE THOSE VEHICLES, WHICH STAY THERE PARKED ALL THE TIME. PRETTY MUCH. AND THEY ARE -- I'M FAIRLY CERTAIN THEY ARE IN THE RIGHT-OF-WAY. GO BACK TO THAT ONE, PLEASE. YOU SEE THE UTILITY POLE. THEY ARE PARKED ON THE STREET SIDE OF THE UTILITY POLE. IF THEY ARE NOT IN THE RIGHT-OF-WAY, THEY ARE CERTAINLY STRADDLING THE LINE. AND IF YOU CANNOT READ IT ON THAT LITTLE VAN, IT SAYS, WE BUY JUNK CARS. THAT IS ANOTHER WIDER ANGLE OF THE SAME THING. THEY DO HAVE -- THANK GOD -- PARDON ME?
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LITTLE WEST. 100 YARDS WEST. IF YOU'RE NOT FAMILIAR WITH IT, THERE ARE A GROUP OF BUSINESSES. THEY ARE ALL OF AN INDUSTRIAL NATURE. ONE OF THEM HAS BEEN THERE FOR AS LONG AS I HAVE BEEN THERE. PROBABLY 40 PLUS YEARS. YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER CLAY HILL WAS AND STILL IS TO A CERTAIN LOT OF TREE FARMING AND THAT . - SORT OF STUFF. SOME OF THOSE BUSINESSES SERVICE THAT INDUSTRY. SO THAT IS PART OF IT. HERE IS A LITTLE FURTHER EAST ON 218. NOT QUITE SURE WHAT THEY DO THERE. DIFFERENT CAR LOTS POP UP. ONE TIME THERE WAS A TIRE PLACE THAT SOLD CAR TIRES. THANK GOD IT DID NOT STAY THERE BUT A FEW MONTHS. THERE IS -- THIS IS ACROSS THE STREET THIS IS DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET. I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE NAME OF THAT BUSINESS IS. THEY SEEM TO BRING IN MOBILE HOMES AND BREAK THEM DOWN AND RESELL THEM OR SOMETHING. I'M NOT SURE WHAT HAPPENS. BUT YOU WILL GET -- THIS MOBILE HOME WILL SIT THERE FOR WEEKS IF NOT MONTHS. THERE IS THE TNT BE LOOKING FOR A GOOD TIME ON FRIDAY NIGHT. YOU MIGHT -- TODAY. ANYWAY, THAT IS WHAT THAT LITTLE AREA IS. HALF A MILE LONG. A LITTLE FURTHER WEST THAN THAT WAS A SMALL ENGINE SHOP.THIS IS THE PROPERTY WE ARE TALKING ABOUT. PROBABLY A SIX FOOT FENCE. I WOULD HAVE SAID FOUR FOOT. BUT THAT IS PROBABLY SIX-FOOT. YOU CANNOT ZOOM IN, BUT YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE TIRES ARE STORED. THERE I ONE OF THE TRUCKS. PROBABLY TAKES THE TIRES AND DOES WHATEVER IT IS. SO MY CONCERN IS THAT THAT BECOME WHAT IS ACROSS THE STREET . AND I KNOW . YOU WOULDN'T WANT THAT.
YOU WOULD SIT HERE AND SAY THAT YOU WOULDN'T DO IT, BUT WHO KNOWS WHAT COMES BEHIND IT? AND REALLY , FRANKLY, IS MORE , WHAT IS THE COUNTY GOING TO DO ABOUT IT? SO YOU GET THAT . AND IT GOES DOWNHILL. WORST-CASE SCENARIO, SOMETHING HAPPENS AND IT TURNS INTO AN EYESORE. WHO DOES ANYTHING ABOUT IT? IT IS A RHETORICAL QUESTION. I DON'T EXPECT YOU TO ANSWER IT. YOU KNOW, THE COUNTY SHOULD DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT , BUT THE COUNTY HAS LIMITED CAPACITY. NOBODY WANTS TO PAY HIGHER TAXES. CONSTANTLY STRESSED FOR REVENUE. AND SO THEN IT IS LEFT TO SOMEBODY TO CALL AND MAKE A COMPLAINT READ WELL, WHO CALLED AND MADE A COMPLAINT? THE GUY ACROSS THE STREET . BUSYBODY, KNOWS A GUY THAT LIVES ACROSS THE STREET. SO THAT IS THE RUB THAT YOU GET INTO WITH THESE. OUR COUNTY MANAGER STEPPED OUT, BUT THAT IS THE RUB. AND Y'ALL HAVE HERD ME IN PARTICULAR FOR YEARS TRIED NOT TO LET THE AESTHETIC QUALITY OF THE COMMUNITY GO DOWNHILL ANY FURTHER THAN IT ALREADY IS. AND SO I WHOLEHEARTEDLY SUPPORT THE IDEA OF YOU HAVING A SMALL BUSINESS. I TOO WISH THAT IT WERE IN A BARN . FIRE MARSHAL SPRINKLER SYSTEMS. GOD ONLY KNOWS WHAT ELSE BECAUSE IF THEY DID CATCH ON FIRE, WOULD BE THE LAST THING YOU HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT. SO I'M REALLY TORN ON IT PERSONALLY. THE NODE -- YOU CANNOT DO MUCH TO MAKE IT ANY WORSE THAN IT IS. I DON'T MEAN THAT IN ANY WAY -- YOUR BUSINESS FITS THAT ENVIRONMENT. RIGHT NEXT TO THAT BUSINESS IS A METAL FABRICATION . IT IS A BIG METAL BUILDING. THEY'VE GOT I-BEAMS STORED OUT HERE RUSTING AWAY.
SIX FOOT FENCE . NO BARRICADE. THERE WAS A COMMENT MADE IN THE STAFF REPORT ABOUT SOMETHING TO THE EFFECT OF NOBODY WAS FOLLOWING THE CLAY HILL GUIDELINES. WELL, WHO IS MAKING THEM? THAT MOBILE HOME -- WHATEVER THAT PLACE IS -- IT CAME AND WENT IN THE MIDST OF THE CLAY HILL OVERLAY PLAN.
AGAIN, I'M NOT POINTING THE FINGER. I'M JUST SAYING, WHO IS GOING TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT? AT WHAT POINT DO WE SAY ENOUGH IS ENOUGH ? AGAIN, YOU LOOK AT THE MAP, EVERYTHING AROUND THERE IS ZONED BUSINESS. HOW CAN WE DENY SOMEBODY TRYING TO PUT A BULLET -- BUSINESS THERE? ALL THAT TO SAY I'M REALLY TORN . I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR COMMITMENT TO FOLLOWING EVERY GUIDELINE AND ADHERE TO ALL THE THINGS. BECAUSE , DO YOU LIVE
>> YOU NEED TO HAVE HER AT THE MIC .
>> SORRY. IT IS MY FIRST TIME. >> THAT'S ALL RIGHT.
>> WE CHOSE THE PLACE BECAUSE OF THE AREA AND WHAT WAS ALREADY
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THERE. AND WE DON'T INTEND TO MAKE IT LOOK BAD. WE HAVE CHANGED THE ENTIRE HOUSE. IT HAS BEEN PAINTED.>> Y'ALL DON'T LIVE IN THE HOUSE? SPIVAK WE DO NOT.
>> AND YOU'RE NOT GOING TO STORE TIRES IN FRONT OF THE
HOUSE ? >> WE DO NOT WANT TO STORE TIRES IN FRONT OF THE HOUSE. THAT IS JUST A LIABILITY PROBLEM FOR US.
THE INTENTION WAS FOR US TO DRIVE AROUND THE LITTLE ROAD AND GO TO THE POLE BARN AND GET EVERYTHING. BUT THE SIZE OF THE POLE BARN IS ALREADY STRETCHING THE LIMIT OF THE FIRE MARSHAL.
AND THEN THE AMOUNT OF PETROLEUM BEING STORED. IDEALLY WE COULD PUT TWO OR THREE, BUT I TINK THAT IS WORSE. AND I HAVE DONE THE DRC MEETINGS WHERE THEY DO TELL US WHAT IS COMPLIANT. AND SO WE ARE STUCK . WE CANNOT GET OUR POLE BARN PERMIT UNTIL WE FIGURE OUT WHAT IS WITH -- BUT WE DO INTEND TO FOLLOW THE RULES. THERE IS A LOT THAT WE TRIED TO BUFFER IT. WE DID PUT THE LITTLE FENCE UP . UNLESS YOU ARE REALLY LOOKING -- AND THE
CAMPER IS THERE. >> YOU CAN'T NOTICE IT FROM THE ROAD. LIKE I SAID, IT IS A NICE PIECE OF PROPERTY. IT WOULD BE A CRIME SCENE TO TURN IT -- THAT IS MY CONCERN. PEOPLE COME IN.
THERE IS ANOTHER ONE HAPPENING FURTHER EAST TOWARD MIDDLEBURG.
THEY COME IN AND GET OUTSIDE STORAGE. AND THEY JUST PILE JUNK CARS IN THERE. WHATEVER. I GET THAT THERE'S GOT TO BE A PLACE FOR IT, BUT DOES IT HAVE TO BE 218? DOES IT HAVE TO BE JUNKYARD ALLIE? HONEST TO GOD. HOW MANY MORE DO WE HAVE TO HAVE? SO THAT
IS MY CONCERN. >> THE TIRE BUSINESS HAS INSISTED -- EXISTED IN THIS COUNTY. WE ARE THE THIRD
GENERATION. >> OH, YEAH. IT MAKES PERFECT SENSE. YOU ARE IN THE RIGHT AREA. YOU ARE SERVICING ALL OF THE FORESTERS THAT ARE OUT THERE. I GET IT. I TOTALLY GET IT. AND GOOD FOR YOU FOR BEING WILLING TO JUMP OUT THERE AND BE IN BUSINESS. HOW LONG HAVE YOU BEEN IN BUSINESS ?
>> SINCE 2007. >> Y'ALL HAVE BEEN IN BUSINESS FOR A WHILE. WHICH MEANS YOU KNOW HOW TO RUN A BUSINESS.
WHICH MEANS YOU'RE LIKELY TO BE THERE FOR A WHILE.
>> I WOULD LIKE TO SAY I AM A REAL ESTATE AGENT. THE PERCEPTION OF ME BREAKING THE RULES IS NOT A GOOD LOOK FOR
MYSELF. >> NO. WELL, I APPRECIATE YOU LISTENING TO ME CARRY ON ABOUT IT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
>> THANK YOU. >> AND I MAKE SOME COMMENTS AS WELL? CAN YOU PUT BACK YOUR PRESENTATION FOR A MINUTE? THE ONE -- YEARS. BECAUSE I WANT TO LOOK AT ALL THE DIFFERENT ZONING'S AROUND THIS. BB-3 I THINK WOULD BE A SPOT ZONING.
I'LL BE HONEST RED I HAVE WORKED WITH BILL. THIS WHOLE CLAY HILL THING. I FEEL HIS PASSION ON THIS. AND I AM PROBABLY GOING TO BE HIGHLY INFLUENCED BY HIM, BUT I WANTED TO MAKE A FEW COMMENTS ON THIS. THERE'S A LOT OF BB, AND IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, BB IS LIKE BB -4 PLUS. THEY CAN DO ANYTHING THEY WANT WITH BB. TO THE FACT THAT THIS IS A B3 IS LESS OF AN ISSUE THAN YOU MIGHT THINK IN TERMS OF SPOT ZONING. THE FACT THERE IS A LOT OF HOMES ALONG THERE STILL -- THERE ARE AND THERE PROBABLY WILL BE FOR SOME TIME, BUT THAT WHOLE STRIP ALONG 218 IS ALL LAND-USE COMMERCIAL. IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY. SO THOSE HOMES ARE JUST WAITING FOR THE RIGHT OFFER TO COME ALONG AND DO SOMETHING COMMERCIAL WITH IT. SO THE FACT THAT THERE'S SOME HOMES ALONG THERE PROBABLY ISN'T RELEVANT TO OUR DISCUSSION. IT IS MORE OF A CONCERN OF THE APPEARANCE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD , WHICH MEANS I THINK IT IS MORE IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE CLAY HILL OVERLAY CENTER REQUIRES HERE.
THE OPACITY THAT IS REQUIRED. IS THAT AROUND THE ENTIRE LOT ? WOULD THEN INCLUDE WHAT IS CURRENTLY A CHAIN-LINK FENCE ON
THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY? >> SO THE CODE SAYS LARGE OBJECTS MATERIALS , ROCKS, STONE SHALL BE SCREENED FROM ADJACENT RIGHTS-OF-WAY AND PROPERTIES USING THE FOLLOWING STANDARDS.
SO IT IS THE 15 FOOT LANDSCAPE BUFFER. AND I WOULD SAY WE WOULD NEED TO BE SHIELDED FROM ADJACENT PROPERTIES AS THE CODE SAYS . AND THEN SEVERAL CANOPY TREES , UNDERSTORY TREES , A SIX FOOT PATCH THAT IS MAINTAINED 30 TO 40 INCHES HIGH ABOVE GRADE .
HEDGE MATERIAL SHALL BE 24 INCHES IN HEIGHT AT THE TIME OF PLANNING. SO I THINK ALL THOSE THINGS ARE APPLICABLE.
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>> I THINK YOU SAID RIGHT-OF-WAY.
>> FROM ADJACENT RIGHTS-OF-WAY AND PROPERTIES USING THE
FOLLOWING STANDARDS. >> WHICH MEANS THE SCREENING WOULD HAVE TO EXIST ALONG 218. YOU REALLY SHOULDN'T SEE ANYTHING GOING DOWN 218 EXCEPT FOR THAT SCREENING. SO ACTUALLY THAT SEEMS A LITTLE -- I'M NOT GOING TO BE CONCERNED WITH THE WHAT THE OVERLAY SAYS. IN THIS CASE YOU DON'T WANT TO SEE WHAT IS BEHIND IT. IT IS NICE TO SEE THE HOUSE UP FRONT. AND I ALSO AM WITH BILL. I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT TRIGGERS THIS OVERLAY. DOES IT GOT TO BE A CHANGE OF OWNERSHIP ? IS IT A CHANGE OF USE ? CERTAINLY CHANGE OF ZONING IS GOING TO TRIGGER IT. BUT ALL THOSE EXAMPLES THAT BILL REFERS TO. HOW DO THOSE PEOPLE GET AWAY WITH THAT? WHAT IS OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT DEPARTMENT DOING?
>> AND SO, COMMISSIONER, WHAT WE USUALLY DO IN ZONING IF A BUSINESS HAS BEEN DISCONTINUED FOR SIX MONTHS OR MORE, THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME UP TO THE STANDARDS OF THE DISTRICT. SO IF THOSE BUSINESSES OR IF THERE IS A CHANGE OF OCCUPATION, A CHANGE OF USE, THEN THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME OUT TO THE STANDARDS OF THE
DISTRICT. >> A CHANGE OF OWNERSHIP OR A CHANGE OF USE CERTAINLY HAS HAPPENED OUT THERE AND NOTHING HAS GONE ON, SO SOMEBODY SOMEWHERE IS NOT PAYING ATTENTION TO WHAT IS GOING ON .
>> I AM LIKE BILL. I'M KIND OF IN SUPPORT OF THIS BUSINESS. BUT I THINK THERE'S SOME ISSUES IN THAT OVERLAY WE PROBABLY SHOULD LOOK AT TOO. I THINK THE OVERLAY WILL TAKE CARE OF A LOT OF PROBLEMS WITH THIS, BUT I DO THINK THERE'S SOME PROBLEMS WITH THE OVERLAY THAT YOU BROUGHT UP IF IT REQUIRES A SIX-FOOT HIGH SCREENING AND YOU STACK SOMETHING. I KNOW THAT IS WHY HE HAS TO STACK STUFF 12 FEET HIGH. YOU ARE NOT HIDING ANYTHING. RIGHT? IT SHOULD SAY SOMETHING MORE LIKE , YOU CAN'T SEE IT FROM THE STREET. YOU KNOW, SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT MORE REASONABLE THAN JUST SYING, PUT A FENCE UP AND YOU
PUT A FENCE IN A DITCH . >> I WOULD SETTLE FOR A SIX FOOT
HIGH FENCE. >> SO THAT IS MY THOUGHTS ON IT.
AND I DON'T THINK THIS IS TECHNICALLY , YOU KNOW, ALL RESPECT TO ARIZONA AND CHIEF -- I WOULD NOT CALL THIS SPOT ZONING BECAUSE OF WHAT IS AROUND IT . ESPECIALLY ALL THE BB THAT IS EVERYWHERE. AND THAT BB -4, WHICH IS PRETTY MUCH THE SAME AS BB. SO THAT IS ALL I HAVE TO SAY.
>> ANY OTHER COMMENTS? >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. FIRST OFF, BILL, THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THOSE PHOTOS. VERY HELPFUL TO BE ABLE TO SEE THAT AND TO HEAR YOUR DIALOGUE ON IT.
MY QUESTION -- I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS. THIS IS FOR YOU. THE FIRST IS, WHAT ARE THE OTHER USES IN BB-3 THAT ARE ALLOWABLE?
>> SO GAS STATIONS, SERVICE STATIONS, MEDICAL TRANSPORTS, AUCTION HOUSES , RECREATIONAL VEHICLES AND TRAILERS, FARM TRACTORS AND EQUIPMENT , LEASING, RENTAL, REPAIR, MOBILE HOME SALES, SERVICE MOTORCYCLE SALES, AND THE LIKE. CABINET SHOPS, FUNERAL HOME, MORTUARY, TIRE SALES AND SERVICE, CARPET AND RUG OUTLET HARDWARE STORE, OUTDOOR DISPLAY, RETAIL PLANT, NURSERIES, AND GARDEN SHOPS , AND THEN OF COURSE, ADULT
ENTERTAINMENT. >> BUT THIS ISN'T ONE OF THOSE PARCELS -- THOSE ARE SPECIFIC PARCELS THAT ARE ALLOWABLE
INAUDIBLE ] >> PS ONE RIGHT BEHIND IT.
>> YEAH. SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, IT SOUNDS LIKE MOST OF THAT OTHER THAN THE FUNERAL HOME IS PRETTY CONFORMING TO THE AREA ALREADY THERE. MY NEXT QUESTION IS, ARE THERE ANY GUARDRAILS THAT WEEKEND -- LET ME START OFF BY SAYING I SUPPORT THIS CONCEPT AND I LOVE THE FACT IT'S FAMILY OWNED BUSINESSES. IN FLEMING ISLAND -- I'M SORRY, IN CLAY COUNTY I PERSONALLY PROMOTE ENTREPRENEURIAL SPIRIT. IT SEEMS LIKE THIS PARCEL CONFORMS FROM WHAT I HAVE SEEN . BUT WHAT I'M QUESTIONING IS -- AND THIS
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REALLY KIND OF GOES BACK TO WHAT THE COMMISSIONERS WERE ASKING.ARE THERE ANY GUARDRAILS WE COULD PUT AROUND THIS IN ORDER TO REQUIRE THAT THEY CAN ONLY USE THE BACK THIRD OF THE PROPERTY, FOR INSTANCE? OR WE HAVE ARTIE TALKED ABOUT THE OBSCURED FENCING. IS THERE ANY OTHER GUARDRAILS WE COULD PUT AROUND THIS , OR IS IT JUST STRAIGHT ZONING AND THERE ARE NO
GUARDRAILS ? >> YES, SIR. IT IS NOT A CONDITIONAL USE. SO IT IS STRAIGHT ZONING.
>> OKAY. OKAY. >> UNLESS THEY HAVE ANOTHER OPINION, BUT THAT IS MY EXPERIENCE.
>> I THINK -- HAVE TALKED ABOUT , I SUPPORT THIS CONCEPT. I LOVE THE IDEA OF THE BUSINESS, BUT I PERSONALLY WOULD LIKE TO SEE A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT IN PLACE JUST TO PROTECT THE COUNTY. WITH ALL THE THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT, IF THE TIRES ARE NOT STACKED OVER SIX FOOT, WE WON'T SEE THEM FROM THE ROAD. MAKE SURE WE'VE GOT THE OBSCURED FENCING AROUND THE PROPERTY . ONLY THE BACK THIRD OF THE PROPERTY IS GOING TO BE USED TO STORE TIRES, WHICH I THINK IS MORE ACTUALLY THAN WHAT WE HAVE SHOWN IN THE MAP. SO AS LONG AS THE APPLICANT IS WILLING TO AGREE TO A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, THIS IS SOMETHING I SUPPORT.
>> AT WHAT POINT DO WE DO A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT ? I DON'T
KNOW. >> I WOULD HAVE TO DEFER TO OUR
COUNTY ATTORNEY FOR THAT. >> AT WHAT POINT DOES THE DEVELOPER'S AGREEMENT KICK IN? BEFORE CO?
>> GOES TO THE BOARD. THREE WEEKS. SO THEY HAVE TO EXECUTE IT IN
>> ANY OTHER COMMENTS? LET ME CLOSE OUT. I'VE GOT A COUPLE THINGS TO SAY ABOUT IT. YOU KNOW, I AGREE WITH WHAT INAUDIBLE ] AS FAR AS RECOMMENDATION GOES, BUT IT IS NOT NECESSARILY -- IT IS AGAINST THE CONSISTENCY OF THE OVERLAY PLAN, BUT IT IS CONSISTENT WITH WHAT YOU SEE AROUND. AND TO ME IF WE ARE EVER GOING TO GET TO PLACE -- I DON'T WANT TO SAY CLEANED UP . AND I DON'T MEAN YOURS IS GOING TO BE ANOTHER JUNKYARD LIKE ACROSS THE STREET. THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME STIFFER RULES AROUND SOME OF THIS STUFF. THE ALTERNATIVE USES UNDER BB-3 -- THEY LOOK PRETTY INNOCUOUS ON THE SURFACE AS FAR AS CONSISTENT WITH THE AREA UNLESS AUTOMOBILE REPAIR -- ASSOCIATED WITH ANOTHER JUNKYARD . MY POINT IS, ONCE WE GET IT IN BB-3, THEN ANYTHING THAT GOES HERE. IT IS NO LONGER JUST TIRE SALES. IT IS ANYTHING ON THIS LIST. I % QUESTION WHETHER OR NOT WE COULD COME IN WITH A PCD AND THEREFORE PUT FENCE RAILS AROUND THIS THING AS FAR AS THE SITE PLAN AND ALL THE OTHER STUFF THAT GOES WITH PLANNED COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT AREA. THAT WOULD BE MY THINKING ABOUT IT IF OUR ATTEMPT IS -- YOU KNOW, WE LIKE WHAT WE ARE SEEING. WE WANT TO MAKE SOME ASSURANCES THAT THAT IS WHAT GROWS OUT OF THE GROUND THERE AND MOVING SWORD -- FORWARD THAT IT STAYS THAT WAY. GIVE IT A BB-3 AND THEN SAY, I HOPE AND PRAY THAT WHATEVER HAPPENS IN THE FUTURE EVEN AFTER WE ARE GONE THAT IT STAYS SEMI-PRISTINE MORE OR LESS.
THOSE ARE MY CONCERNS. SO WITH THAT, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION
AND WE WILL TAKE IT FROM THERE. >> I WILL MAKE A MOTION. I'M GOING TO MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THIS OR RECOMMEND APPROVAL WITH THE CAVEAT IN THERE THAT THE APPLICANT AND WHOEVER THEY GET WITH COMES UP WITH A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT BETWEEN NOW AND BCC MEETING THAT WILL KIND OF CODIFY SOME OF THE STUFF THAT WE TALKED ABOUT. I DON'T THINK ANY OF US ARE AGAINST A BUSINESS. AND I THINK IT SOUNDS LIKE IT IS A FAIRLY WELL-RUN BUSINESS OR IT WOULDN'T BE IN BUSINESS THIS LONG. I'M CONCERNED WHAT HAPPENS AFTER THEY MAY NOT BE ON THIS PROPERTY . BUT IT IS LIKE LIVING IN A NEIGHBORHOOD. MAKE YOUR HOUSE THE BEST LOOKING HOUSE ON THE BLOCK. MAYBE YOU CAN CHANGE SOME OF THE OTHER PEOPLE INTO DOING SOMETHING WITH THEIR STUFF. SO THAT WOULD BE MY
MOTION. >> I SECOND THAT MOTION.
>> IT DOESN'T MATTER. >> ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ?
>> I JUST WANTED TO THANK MS. SMART FOR OPENING THE BUSINESS AND FOR PUTTING UP WITH THIS PROCESS. I KNOW YOU HAVE BEEN
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PULLING YOUR HAIR OUT AND HERE WE ARE ASKING YOU TO DO ONE MORE THING, BUT I HOPE YOU UNDERSTOOD AND -- UNDERSTAND OUR CONCERN.YOU LIVE THERE. YOU SEE WHAT I'M TRYING TO COMBAT. WHAT WE
>> RIGHT. SO THANK YOU FOR ADHERING TO THESE REQUIREMENTS.
I ASSUME YOU'RE WILLING TO ADHERE TO THOSE REQUIREMENTS?
THANK YOU FOR THAT. >> ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? CALL FOR VOTE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. ALL OPPOSED, SAME SIGN.
THANK YOU . >> OKAY. NUMBER TWO.
>> LET HER KNOW SHE'S GOT TO GO TO -- SHE NEEDS TO GET WITH STAFF BEFORE SHE GETS OUT OF HERE.
>> WE WILL GET WITH MS. SMART. >> OKAY.
[2. Public Hearing to consider COMP 25-0012 and PUD 25-0005 (District 4, Comm Condon) (J. Bryla)]
>> AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TWO IS C.O.M.P. 25-0012 AND P.U.D.
25-0005. MS. BRYLA. >> CHAIR, I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT HAS SOMETHING THEY WOULD LIKE TO REQUEST.
>> OF COURSE. MR. MILLER? >> WE WOULD LIKE TO REQUEST A CONTINUANCE TO THE FIRST TUESDAY OF OCTOBER . I CAN GIVE AN EXPLANATION OR A HISTORY OF WHERE WE ARE, BUT WE HAVE CONTINUED AN APPLICATION ON THIS MATTER A COUPLE OF TIMES . IT WAS BECAUSE OF REACTIONS WE GOT FROM THE CAC AND FROM THE DISTRICT COMMISSIONER. THOSE APPLICATIONS WERE WITHDRAWN .
THOSE WERE ZONING AND A MORE INTENSE LAND-USE. WE HAVE FILED A LESS INTENSE LAND-USE APPLICATION AND A P.U.D. THAT WAS HEARD BY CAC AND APPROVED . 7-UP . BUT FOR INTERNAL REASONS OF THE CLIENT , WE ARE
OCTOBER MEETING. >> OCTOBER 7TH.
>> SAY AGAIN ? >> OCTOBER 7TH WOULD BE THE
PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING. >> OKAY, NOW THIS IS THE SECOND
CONTINUANCE . >> LET ME BE CLEAR, THIS IS THE FIRST CONTINUANCE ON THESE APPLICATIONS.
>> OKAY. BUT THE SECOND ON THIS PARTICULAR SITE.
>> ACTUALLY IT IS PROBABLY THE THIRD OR FOURTH ON THIS SITE.
>> THEY WITHDREW . >> I UNDERSTAND. ALL RIGHT. DO WE NEED TO HEAR THE PITCH? BECAUSE I DO HAVE ONE CARD ON IT. OKAY. CRYSTAL GRAYLING'S . BECAUSE THIS IS MOST LIKELY GOING TO BE CONTINUED. YOU CAN EITHER SPEAK TONIGHT OR YOU CAN HOLD YOUR COMMENTS UNTIL THE OCTOBER MEETING. OR YOU CAN SPEAK TONIGHT AND SHARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON THE OCTOBER MEETING.
>> OPEN HEARING IS OPEN. LET'S CALL IT WHAT IT IS. YOU ARE GOING TO WAIT UNTIL OCTOBER. IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS AGENDA ITEM? NONE SCENE. CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMISSION.
>> MR. CHAIR, I WILL MOVE THAT WE CONTINUE THIS ITEM PER THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST UNTIL OUR MEETING ON OCTOBER 7TH. OR AS SOON THEREAFTER AS IT CAN BE HEARD .
>> SECOND. >> MOTION AND A SECOND. WE HAVE
[3. Public Hearing to consider COMP 25-0004 (District 5, Comm Burke) (D. Selig)]
ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. THOSE OPPOSED, SAME SIGN. OKAY. THANK YOU. ITEM NUMBER THREE IS PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER C.O.M.P. PLAN 25-0004 .>> I'M SORRY. THIS ITEM WAS HEARD AT THE LAST BOARD MEETING . THE BOARD VOTED TO CONTINUE THE ITEM SO YOU COULD RECEIVE SOME EMAILED INFORMATION FROM STAFF ON THE FORMER APPLICATION FOR THE PROPERTY AND ALSO THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENT PROTECTIONS PERMIT FOR THIS PROPERTY. AND THOSE WERE SENT TO YOU . AND YOU HAVE SEEN -- I BROUGHT THE SAME PRESENTATION BACK IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT AGAIN. I CAN GO
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THROUGH IT OR NOT. YOUR CHOICE. WHATEVER YOU WOULD LIKE ME TODO. >> WHAT IS THE PLEASURE OF THE COMMISSION? NO. WE ARE READY TO MOVE. DOES EVERYBODY SEE THE EMAILS ? OKAY. ALL RIGHT. IF WE ARE NOT GOING TO HEAR THAT, THEN
IS THE APPLICANT HERE? >> GOOD EVENING. KATHLEEN LENEGHAN, 3207 WILDERNESS DRIVE. THIS ITEM WAS CONTINUED BECAUSE I KNOW THERE WERE SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THE HISTORY OF THE PROPERTY.
OF THE HISTORY AND ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
>> JAMES LENEGHAN. 3207 WILDERNESS DRIVE. PURCHASED PROPERTY -- 500 FEET OF FRONTAGE ON BLACK CREEK . SO IT WAS A PRIORITY OF MINE TO PUT IN AS I PURCHASED THE PROPERTY AND PUT IN THE PERMIT. SIX OR SEVEN MONTHS LATER ACQUIRED THE PERMIT. PUT IT IN THE BULKHEAD MYSELF. 500 FEET IS PRETTY BIG AND PRETTY EXPENSIVE SO I WAS ABLE TO -- 200 FEET OF FRONTAGE.
THE PERMIT WORKED HERE FOR 15 YEARS. COME DOWN AND RETIRE. MY DAUGHTER WANTS TO COME BACK TO THE AREA. DEVELOP THIS PROPERTY. I WAS HERE DOING THE SAME THING. PUT IN AN APPLICATION TO GET THIS OUT OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL WHATEVER. SO I WANTED TO FINISH THE LAST FEET OF THE PROPERTY. CALLED ABOUT THE OLD PERMIT.
YEAH, I KNOW THAT IS STILL GOOD, BUT PUT IN A NEW PERMIT. PUT IN A NEW PERMIT EARLY IN 2001. MULTIPLE SITE VISITS. EVERYBODY COMING OUT. DECEMBER OF THAT YEAR COME OUT. WHEN AM I GOING TO GET MY PERMIT? OH, YOU WILL HAVE IT HERE BY THE END OF DECEMBER. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. SO ORDER MY EQUIPMENT, GET MY WORKERS . LEASE EQUIPMENT. STUFF LIKE THAT. JANUARY 1ST COMES AROUND. I CALL ABOUT MY PERMIT. THEY SAID, OH, BUREAUCRATIC WHATEVER. REVIEWS. LOST IN THE SHUFFLE. HOLIDAYS. OKAY. SO I HAVE $40,000 OF LUMBER AND THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS OF EQUIPMENT SITTING THERE, SAYING, WELL -- SO I PULLED THE TRIGGER.
PUT THE WALL IN. WHILE THAT APPLICATION WAS IN AND REVIEWED FOR EIGHT MONTHS AND TOLD I WAS GOING TO HAVE APPROVAL BY JANUARY. BUT THEY ARE NOT. OKAY. LET ME ROLL WITH THE BRUNCHES -- PUNCHES. THERE ARE PROCEDURES AFTER THAT. JASON NEWMAN. HE WOULD COME BY THE HOUSE. HIS MOTHER LIVES IN GAINESVILLE. HE LIVES IN JACKSONVILLE. ANYTIME HE WANTS TO COME SEE HIS MOTHER, HE WOULD DO A SITE VISIT. BUT VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE PROPERTY.
SO HE COMES OUT IN JANUARY WHILE WE ARE FINISHING THE WALL.
JASON, I'M SORRY. OKAY. LET'S SIT DOWN AND TALK ABOUT THIS.
HERE IS WHAT WE NEED TO DO NOW. SO WE HAVE TO WITHDRAW THAT APARTMENT -- PERMIT FOR EIGHT MONTHS. SORRY. PUT IN A PERMIT FOR A WALL . SO DO ALL THAT. PAY MY FINES AND EVERYTHING.
CONCLUDED. EVERYTHING BACK TO NORMAL IN GOOD STANDING. AND -- IS THERE QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT? MY CONCERN IS THE LAST TIME I WAS HERE THERE WAS A HUGE UNDERSTANDING. SERIOUS ALLEGATIONS TO ME ABOUT ME ABOUT PUTTING IN A WALL WITHOUT A PERMIT. AND NUMEROUS OTHER STUFF . WE WENT TO THE FIRST MEETING AND THEN WE HAD OUR FOLLOW-UP MEETING. AND I HAD COVID . MY BETTER JUDGMENT WAS TO STAY HOME. I DID. I CALLED ALL DAY TRYING TO GET A BTC FOR THIS. THEY SAID, NO, NO. THE MEETING WENT ON BECAUSE I DIDN'T WITHDRAW IT. THERE WERE VERY SERIOUS ALLEGATIONS ABOUT MYSELF. I WAS VERY UPSET ABOUT MY NEIGHBORS AND THESE ALLEGATIONS. TRYING TO BE A GOOD CHRISTIAN. LOVE THY NEIGHBOR. I LET IT ALL GO. I WAITED THREE YEARS. AND THEN MY DAUGHTER WAS COMING BACK. LET HER DEAL WITH THIS BECAUSE I WAS REALLY EMOTIONAL ABOUT THAT. BUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT QUESTIONS SHOULD YOU HAVE FOR ME? IT WAS PERMITTED THREE TIMES. FIRST TIME, 500 FEET. I HAD A SENSE OF URGENCY BECAUSE I'M LOSING FOUR INCHES OF LAND EVERY YEAR. YOU CAN SEE IT ERODING. WHEN I WAS ABLE TO HAVE ENOUGH RESOURCES, I PULLED THE TRIGGER. THE BEGINNING AND END OF 2020 , 2021. THAT IS
WHERE WE ARE AT RIGHT NOW. Ú>> APPLICANT ?
>> I HAVE A COUPLE. FIRST ONE IS , AT WHAT POINT DID YOU REALIZE
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YOU WERE BUILDING ON CONSERVATION LAND ?>> NOT CONSERVATION LANDS. UPLANDS. JUST BECAUSE IT IS IN INAUDIBLE ] ALMOST 30 YEARS AGO WITH A MARKER. IT IS A BUBBLE MAP. IT IS NOT WETLANDS. IT IS UPLANDS.
>> I DID NOT SAY WETLANDS. I SAID, WHEN WERE YOU AWARE THAT YOU WERE BUILDING ON CONSERVATION LAND?
>> I'M NOT AWARE. WHAT CONSERVATION LANDS ARE YOU
TALKING ABOUT? >> IN OUR COUNTY THERE IS A LAND USE MAP, AND IT DESCRIBES THIS LAND AS BEING CONSERVATION LAND
. >> AND I'M SAYING THAT IS INACCURATE. AND THAT IS MY POSITION. THE BUBBLE -- THEY DREW THIS MAP IN AN OFFICE WITH A FAT PEN. I HAVE NUMEROUS WETLAND SURVEYS. MULTIPLE TIMES THAT PROVE IT IS NOT A CONSERVATION AREA. IT IS UPLANDS. JUST BECAUSE YOU CALL IT A CONSERVATION AREA WITH YOUR BUBBLE MAP DON'T MAKE IT ONE.
>> OKAY. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ?
>> YOU MENTIONED A COUPLE OF DATES. I THINK YOU SAID ORIGINALLY YOU HAD THE FIRST PERMIT DRAWN IN 2007. IS THAT
CORRECT? >> JANUARY '08. WITHIN A MONTH APPLIED FOR A PERMIT. BY EARLY LATE '08 , '09, THAT FIRST
HUNDRED FEET WAS DONE. >> YOU ALSO MENTIONED GOING BACK
TO A DATE OF 2001, I THOUGHT . >> 2021.
>> OKAY. BECAUSE I THOUGHT I HEARD 2001. DID YOU GUYS HEAR
THAT AS WELL? >> 2021 I HAD THE SAME
APPLICATION UNDER MY NAME. >> I COULD NOT UNDERSTAND IF YOU WENT FROM 2007 AND '08 TO 2001. SO IT WAS IN 2001. IT WAS 2021.
>> I WAS HERE MAKING THIS PRESENTATION. WE WERE IN THAT BUBBLE OF PERMITTING AFTER THE FACT. PERMIT WAS IN. HAD TO WITHDRAW IT. NOW I AM DOING EPA PROCEDURES BY THE BOOK.
>> THAT TIED THE COVID PIECE IN. I WAS TRYING TO GET THIS IDEA OF
THAT GRADE >> I WAS ASSAULTED AT THAT MEETING AS I SAT AND WATCHED ON VIDEO A WEEK LATER. VERY UPSETTING THE ALLEGATIONS THAT WERE MADE .
>> THAT IS THE ONLY QUESTION THAT I HAD.
>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ? >> THANK YOU, SIR. APPRECIATE IT. AT THIS TIME, I WILL OPEN PUBLIC HEARING. I DON'T HAVE ANY CARDS ON THIS AGENDA ITEM. AND I SEE NOBODY COMING FORWARD.
SO I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMISSION FOR DISCUSSION. AND A MOTION.
>> I'M GOING TO MAKE A COUPLE OF COMMENTS. FIRST OF ALL , CONSERVATION IS NOT THE SAME AS WETLAND . CONSERVATION IS CONSERVATION LAND. IT IS DESIGNATED AS SUCH AND CAN BE UPLANDS, IT CAN BE WETLANDS. IT CAN BE ALMOST ANYWHERE. IF IT IS DESIGNATED AS CONSERVATION. THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WAS SET IN PLACE A LONG TIME AGO. AND I WILL TELL YOU WHEN I LOOKED AT ALL THESE DOCUMENTS THAT DODIE PROVIDED US, THE THING THAT JUMPED OUT TO ME THE MOST WAS APPARENTLY NOBODY FROM DEP EVER TALKED TO THE COUNTY . I NEVER SAW A SINGLE REFERENCE TO ANY DISCUSSIONS WITH CLAY COUNTY. THERE WAS ONE REFERENCE IN THERE WHERE THEY PULLED SOME MAPS FROM THE COUNTY APPRAISER'S OFFICE LOOKING AT LOTS AND THAT KIND OF THING. SO I'M KIND OF IN THIS QUANDARY. THE DEP CAN COME IN HERE AND PERMIT AFTER-THE-FACT AN ILLEGAL BULKHEAD THAT WAS BUILT ON CONSERVATION PROPERTY AND THE COUNTY HAS NEVER ASKED ANYTHING ABOUT IT . I MEAN, I DO NOT UNDERSTAND. I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE SOMEBODY FROM DEP HERE TO EXPLAIN TO ME WHY THEY DON'T CHECK WHAT THAT LAND IS DESIGNATED AS BEFORE THEY START ISSUING PERMITS ON IT. THAT'S
ALL I HAVE TO SAY. >> DISCUSSION. MAKE A MOTION.
>> THIS ONE IS A TOUGH ONE. I'M JUST GOING TO BE HONEST WITH YOU. HE CLEARLY STATED HE STARTED THE BULKHEAD WITHOUT HIS PERMIT. BEFORE IT WAS ISSUED. HE DIDN'T HAVE A PERMIT. HE BUILT A BULKHEAD. I DON'T KNOW IF HE IS IN THE CONSTRUCTION INDUSTRY, BUT FOR THOSE THAT ARE, YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE A PERMIT BEFORE YOU
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START PROJECTS. THAT IS JUST THE WAY IT IS. WAS IT INSPECTED? NOT PART OF OUR PURVIEW. THAT IS THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT'S. I AM TORN ON THIS ONE. THE APPLICANT STATES IT IS UPLANDS, BUT WHEN WAS IT UPLANDS, GWEN WAS THE SURVEY DONE FOR THE WETLAND TO DETERMINE THAT -- HAD IT ALREADY BEEN FILLED BY THEN ? AND THEN IT WAS UPLANDS JUST BY DEFAULT? THAT SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT I STILL HAVE. I UNDERSTAND THE INTENTION . AND I WILL GO BACK TO WHAT I SAID BEFORE. WE WANT TO PROMOTE OUR KIDS TO MOVE IN CLOSE TO US. I GET THAT. I WANT TO BE AROUND THEM. BUT I AM JUST NOT COMFORTABLE WITH THE SEQUENCE HERE. DODIE, CAN YOU HELP ME CLARIFY A LITTLE BIT OF THAT SEQUENCE ONE MORE TIME? WHEN WAS THE FIRST PERMIT ISSUED ? AND WAS THE BULKHEAD ALREADY BUILT ? OR WAS THE FIRST PART THE 250 FOOT PART BUILD? I'M ALITTLE CONFUSED ON THAT. >> I'M NOT ENTIRELY SURE EITHER BECAUSE I'M TRYING TO READ THROUGH FTP'S PERMITTING, AND IT IS NOT SUPER CLEAR TO ME. I'M NOT WITH THEIR DEPARTMENT AND HOW THEY PLAY OUT PERMITS. IT APPEARS IN '08 THERE WAS A PERMIT FILED . I'M PRETTY SURE THAT WAS FOR THE ENTIRE LENGTH OF THE PROPERTY ON THE WATERSIDE THERE.
ONLY BUILT PART OF IT AT THE TIME. THE PERMIT -- I DID NOT SEE THAT IN THE PERMIT. AND THEN OF COURSE WE HAVE THE 2000-2001 -- COME BACK IN FOR THE REMAINING PORTION OF IT. BUT
WHAT ELSE? >> SO THEY DID EVENTUALLY ISSUE
THE PERMIT. >> THEY DID. THERE WERE SOME
ISSUES . >> THEY HAVEN'T PAID ANY FINES
THAT DEP REQUIRED HIM TO PAY. >> THAT IN AND OF ITSELF WASHES THE HANDS. IF DEP ISSUED THE PERMIT AND THE FINES WERE PAID, I UNDERSTAND THAT. HE MET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE STATE.
>> YEAH. AS FAR AS DEP IS CONCERNED, THAT PERMIT IS CLOSED . REMEDIATION HAS BEEN TAKEN CARE OF . HE IS GOOD WITH THAT.
>> LET ME MOVE TO THE SECOND PART THEN. THIS TAG ALONG TO COMMISSIONER PUCKHABER. HAS THERE BEEN A CONVERSATION FROM THE COUNTY TO DEP ON ANY ISSUE WITH WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED
TODAY? >> NO, I DON'T BELIEVE WE REACHED OUT AT THIS TIME. WE DON'T NORMALLY. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT TWO DIFFERENT AGENCIES AND DIFFERENT JURISDICTIONS . AND WE CAN'T ISSUE -- WE CANNOT HOLD PERMITS BECAUSE ANOTHER AGENCY HASN'T ISSUED A PERMIT YET. AND KIND OF VICE VERSA.
>> SAY THAT ONE MORE TIME. YOU CANNOT ISSUE A PERMIT BECAUSE ANOTHER AGENCY IS NOT ISSUED A PERMIT?
>> WE ARE PREVENTED FROM TELLING AN APPLICANT THAT BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE ANOTHER STATE AGENCY'S PERMIT YET THAT WE ARE GOING TO HOLD YOUR PERMIT UP OR NOT REVIEW IT .
>> TO NOT REVIEW IT. SO YOU WOULDN'T ISSUE IT, BUT YOU
COULD STILL REVIEW IT. >> OH, YEAH.
>> I THINK THAT IS WHERE I GOT CONFUSED. THAT IS MAYBE MY STICKING POINT. I WOULD LOVE TO SEE SOMETHING FROM DEP TO SAY THAT THEY ARE OKAY WITH THIS. IS THAT SOMETHING WE CAN ASK FOR AS
A COUNTY? >> NO. THIS IS THE UPLAND AREA.
DEP IS LOOKING AT THE BULKHEAD AND ABOUT ONE FOOT BEYOND IT.
THEY DON'T HAVE JURISDICTION OVER THE LAND PORTION OF IT , ESSENTIALLY. IT IS A BIT LIKE WITH A DOCK .
>> I CAN CLARIFY THIS. >> ALL RIGHT. DODIE, THANK YOU.
I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR . >> OKAY, GO AHEAD.
>> I HANDLED THIS APPLICATION WHEN IT CAME THROUGH. AT THAT TIME THERE WERE SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT ENCROACHMENT INTO WETLANDS. I HAD BEEN IN TOUCH WITH JASON NEWMAN AT THE TIME. I HAVE EMAILS. AND I CAN PROVIDE YOU WITH EMAILS WHERE HE SAYS THAT ALL REQUIREMENTS HAVE BEEN MET. EVERYTHING THAT WAS ASKED OF MR. LENEGHAN WAS ALL HANDLED. SO AS FAR AS DEP ARE CONCERNED, THEY ARE HAPPY WITH ALL OF THAT -- RESOLVED.
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>> PERFECT. THAT ANSWERS MY QUESTION.
>> AND I CAN PROVIDE THAT TO YOU.
>> FORTUNATELY I TRUST YOU. >> ONE SECOND.
>> BEFORE THE FIRST -- >> I'M SORRY.
>> DOES ANYBODY WANT TO MAKE A MOTION?
>> I HAVE JUST ONE MORE QUICK QUESTION. THE REQUEST WAS TO CHANGE BRANAN FIELD CONSERVATION. RIGHT? IS THERE OTHER BRANAN FIELD CONSERVATION LAND AROUND THIS? OR IS IT JUST
THIS ONE LITTLE SECTION? >> YOU HAD A GOOD MAP , DODIE.
>> YES. THERE IS A HUGE AREA . >> OKAY. I KIND OF REMEMBER THAT
>> SO YES. >> ALL THE GREEN IS PRIMARY
CONSERVATION. SORRY. >> RIGHT , RIGHT . RIGHT.
>> I'M JUST CURIOUS. WHEN YOU AUDIT, YOU WERE NOT AWARE OF
SAME . THE EPA, WHO IS THE AUTHORITY ON CONSERVATION AREAS,
SAYS, YEAH. >> IT GETS KIND OF CONVOLUTED.
>> I UNDERSTAND THAT MAP WAS WITH THE SURVEY. I HAVE SURVEYS. I HAVE EVERYTHING REQUESTED. MULTIPLE DOCUMENTS THAT CLARIFY THIS AS UPLANDS.
AND THE EPA -- WHATEVER WE CALL THE AUTHORITY ON THIS HAS BLESSED IT AND DOESN'T UNDERSTAND THIS AT ALL. AS A PROPERTY OWNER DEFENDING THE CONSTITUTION UNDER FIRE . IT IS FRUSTRATING TO COME HOME HERE . MY NEW HOMETOWN . I HAVE BEEN HERE FOR 20 YEARS .
AND I'M HAVING SUCH FRUSTRATION. MY NEIGHBORS WHO WANT TO DEVELOP MY PROPERTY NOT THE WAY I DO. THE BOARD HERE.
THERE IS A HUGE MISUNDERSTANDING . AND SLANDER HERE. AND I CAN PULL OF THE VIDEOS IF YOU WANT OF THESE ALLEGATIONS THAT BOGGLE MY MIND. YOU KNOW, BOGGLE MY MIND.
>> I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. >> I THINK I HAD ONE QUESTION.
>> DODIE, WHAT ARE THE AFTER-THE-FACT ISSUES IF THE COUNTY SHOULD AWARD A PERMIT TO THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT AND THEN THE STATE OR THE ENVIRONMENT OF PRODUCTION COMES IN AND -- CAN THEY NEGATE WHAT HE HAS DONE AT THAT POINT? OR DOES THE COUNTY PERMIT THAT WOULD PERMIT HIM TO DO THIS -- WOULD THAT STAY ENFORCED? THAT PERMIT IS OVER JUST THE BULKHEAD. SO YEAH. IF THE COUNTY APPROVES HIM TO DEVELOP A HOUSE, IT IS GOING TO BE HERE IS THE PROBLEM THAT I SEE. WE'VE GOT TWO JURISDICTIONS THAT DON'T BOTHER TALKING TO EACH OTHER. ONE IS THE COUNTY THAT SAYS ON THAT MAP THAT IS CONSERVATION LAND. THE STATE DOESN'T CARE . THEY LOOK AT A DIFFERENT SET OF CRITERIA AND DECIDE, YEAH, YOU CAN PUT A BULKHEAD UP THERE AND BLOCK ALL ACCESS FOR WHATEVER IS IN THAT GREEN AREA. ALL THOSE ANIMALS CANNOT GET TO THE WATER ANYMORE BECAUSE THERE IS A BULKHEAD THERE NOW. SO ALL WE CAN DO AS A COUNTY -- RIGHT NOW HE CAN'T BUILD ON IT BECAUSE YOU CANNOT GET A BUILDING PERMIT ON CONSERVATION LAND . IF YOU CHANGE IT, THEY CAN GET A BUILDING PERMIT. THAT IS WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT. WHAT THE DEP DID IS WHAT THE STATE DOES. I JUST THINK IT BOGGLES MY MIND WHERE THERE IS NO MUNICATION BETWEEN THE TWO. BECAUSE THE DEP SHOULD HAVE SEEN THIS MAP AND SAID, NO. YOU GET IT CHANGED TO SOMETHING ELSE, THEN WE WILL TALK ABOUT IT. BUT THAT IS NOT HOW THEY WORK. YOU WANT A MOTION, I WILL MAKE A MOTION.
YOU GUYS CAN HAVE AT IT. I'M GOING TO MOVE THAT WE RECOMMEND DENIAL OF THIS REQUEST. WHICH I THINK IS NOT THE STAFF REPORT.
WE RECOMMEND DENIAL. >> DO WE HAVE A MOTION -- DO WE HAVE A SECOND? WITHOUT A SECOND, THE MOTION FAILS. DO WE HAVE A
MOTION? >> I WILL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE MOVE APPROVAL THAT THE GENTLEMAN CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH HIS
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PROJECT . AND I WILL TELL YOU THE SINGLE REASON THAT I AM SUGGESTING THAT IS THAT RIGHT NEXT DOOR SOMEBODY HAS GOT A HOUSE BUILT THERE. NO PROBLEM BUILDING THAT HOUSE ON A CONSERVATION AREA . AND I GET THE WHOLE IDEA OF PRESERVING LAND. WHEN I FIRST SAW IT ON THE AGENDA, I'M THINKING, WHO IS TRYING TO CHANGE CONSERVATION? THE HALL COUNTY IS TRYING TO DO MORE CONSERVATION. JUST PAST A FEE OR A TAX OR WHATEVER THEY ARE GOING TO CALL IT TO BUY MORE LAND TO PUT INTO CONSERVATION.WHEN I FIRST SAW THAT, MAN, THAT IS NOT HAPPENING. REMINDED OF THE CIRCUMSTANCES, AND I DO REMEMBER. LOOK HOW THE CONSERVATION LAND MAP HAS GONE NOW. HOW MUCH CONSERVATION LAND IS IN THAT AREA. I GUESS I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS. BUT WHY SHOULD ONE GUY BE ABLE TO PUT A HOUSE THERE AND ANOTHER GUY NOT RIGHT NEXT DOOR? SOMEBODY WOULD HAVE TO MAKE A PRETTY COMPELLING ARGUMENT . IF THAT WERE THE LAST LITTLE BIT OF CONSERVATION LAND, I COULD SAY, OKAY. SORRY . BUT THAT IS NOT THE CASE. THERE IS TONS OF CONSERVATION LAND IN THAT AREA. AND THEN THE OTHER BATTLE THAT HAS BEEN THROUGH FROM JUMP STREET. SO ANYWAY, I
>> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? DOES THE SCHOOL BOARD HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY? ONE HOUSE.
>> NO COMMENT. WE WOULD APPROVE. THAT ONE RESIDENCE WE DON'T HAVE ANY CONCURRENCY PROBLEMS OR ANYTHING WE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT.
>> THE ONLY COMMENT I WOULD MAKE IS TO MAKE SURE YOU HAVE A PERMIT BEFORE YOU START THE HOUSE.
>> YOU HAVE TO GO THERE . ALL RIGHT. CALL FOR A VOTE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. THOSE OPPOSED, SAME SIGN. AYE.
>> TWO OPPOSED . THE REST APPROVED. ALL RIGHT. GOOD LUCK .
[4. PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER ZON 25-0025. (District 1, Comm. Sgromolo) (J. Bryla)]
>> THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THE LAST ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS CONTINUATION OF THE LAST MEETING WE HAD. ZON 25-0025. MS. BRYLA.
>> THANK YOU, CHAIR. THIS ITEM IS SIMILAR TO THE ONE THAT YOU HEARD LAST MONTH, BUT THAT APPLICATION WAS IN FACT WITHDRAWN, AND SO THIS IS ZON 25-0025. AND THIS IS A REQUEST FOR A SURGICAL CENTER ON A TWO-ACRE PARCEL ON COUNTY ROAD 220 WHERE THE APPLICANT WOULD LIKE TO CHANGE THE CURRENT ZONING OF AR , AGRICULTURAL RESIDENTIAL , TO PS3 FOR A STANDALONE SURGICAL CENTER AND PROFESSIONAL MEDICAL OFFICE , WHICH IS CONSISTENT WITH THE PS3 ZONING DISTRICT. AS YOU CAN SEE, THE PROPERTY IS WEST OF THE ROAD ON 220 IN FLEMING ISLAND.
PROPERTY HAS THE CROSS POINT CHURCH TO THE WEST AND ORANGE PARK MEDICAL PLANS TO BUILD A STANDALONE EMERGENCY CENTER TO THE EAST. HERE YOU CAN SEE THE ZONING DISTRICT ON THE MAP ON THE LEFT, WHICH IS AR. AND THE PROPOSED ZONING DISTRICT OF PS-3 CONSISTENT WITH THE OTHER PROPERTIES ALONG THE 220 CORRIDOR TO THE EAST. THIS IS THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN FOR THE PROJECT. AND THEN THE FINDINGS . THIS WAS HEARD BY THE CITIZENS FLEMING ISLAND CITIZENS ADVISORY COMMITTEE. AND ON AUGUST 20TH THEY PROVIDED A RECOMMENDATION OF 3-2 OF DENIAL OF THIS REQUEST . SOME OF THEIR CONCERNS WERE BASED ON THE DISREGARD AND DISMISSAL OF THE RESPECTED FLEMING ISLAND FUTURE BUILDING PLAN . THE CONCERN THAT ENCROACHING CHANGE CLOSER TO RESIDENTIAL AREAS THAT CURRENTLY EXISTS . ALSO THE RESISTANCE TO CHANGE IS DUE TO THE CONCERN OF ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC. ALTHOUGH THE IMPROVEMENTS ONTO 20 ARE ALREADY SLATED AND UNDERWAY . BUT BASED
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ON THE ANALYSIS THAT I PRESENTED IN THE REPORT, STAFF HAS DETERMINED THAT THIS REQUEST IS CONSISTENT WITH THE INTENT OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND SURROUNDING USES , AND THEREFORE RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST FROM AR TO PS-3. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS . AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE TOADDRESS ANY CONCERNS. >> ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF?
>> MR. CHAIR, I DO HAVE ONE. GIVE ME ONE SECOND BECAUSE I NEED TO FIND IT. VERY SPECIFIC TO THIS. THE PS-3 ZONING . HERE IT IS. FOR LAND ZONED PS-3 AFTER AUGUST , USES PERMITTED OUR HOSPITALS AND RELATED ADJACENT MEDICAL OFFICES AND MEDICAL FACILITIES . AND THERE IS SOME OTHER STUFF.
>> IT EXCLUDES GROUP HOMES AND OTHER THINGS .
>> MY QUESTION IS , DEFINED RELATED , ADJACENT MEDICAL OFFICES . I WOULD THINK SINCE THIS IS A SURGERY CENTER IT IS NOT A HOSPITAL. SO I'M GOING TO GUESS THAT MEANS A MEDICAL FACILITY IS WHAT WE ARE PULLING THIS UNDER ?
>> YES, SIR. THAT IS HOW I WOULD INTERPRET THAT .
>> OKAY. NOW HERE IS THE CATCH FOR ME. RELATED ADJACENT MEDICAL OFFICES. I KNOW THE FRONT BUILDING ON THIS . THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT DOING DOCTORS OFFICES . DO THOSE OFFICES HAVE TO BE RELATED TO THE FACILITY THAT IS THERE SOMEHOW? IN OTHER WORDS, IF I AM DR. SMITH AND I HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THE SURGERY CENTER, CAN I HAVE AN OFFICE ON THAT PROPERTY ?
>> AS THE ZONING OFFICIAL, I WOULD SAY THAT YOU COULD BECAUSE IT SAYS MEDICAL OFFICES. WE DON'T HAVE A DEFINITION OF
>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF STAFF ? APPLICANT, PLEASE.
>> MR. CHAIRMAN, THANK YOU. COMMISSIONERS, MY NAME IS ROBERT WHITE. 9556 THE STORE AT KINGS ROAD SOUTH , SUITE 102, JACKSONVILLE, FLORIDA. AS YOU WILL REMEMBER , SEVERAL WEEKS AGO WE WERE IN FRONT OF YOU WITH A P.U.D.. AND WITH THAT P.U.D., IT HAD THE AMBULATORY SURGICAL CENTER DOCTORS OFFICES, BUT WE ALSO HAD PROFESSIONAL OFFICES . WE HAD ENGINEERS, ACCOUNTANTS, ATTORNEYS. WHATEVER WE HAD. COFFEE SHOP . SOME BOUTIQUE SHOPS. AND THAT GAVE SOME CONCERN. OBVIOUSLY AFTER MEETING WITH YOU AS A GROUP , WE WITHDREW THOSE APPLICATIONS AND WENT STRAIGHT TO PS-3 . AND WHAT THAT DOES IS THAT ELIMINATES ALL THE RETAIL, ALL THE SHOPS . ANY PROFESSIONAL OFFICE THAT IS NOT MEDICALLY RELATED -- THIS IS NOW STRICTLY BASED ON HEARING FROM YOU AND THE CITIZENS ADVISORY COMMITTEE . JUST THOUGHTS THEY HAD. THIS IS NOW STRICTLY A MEDICAL FACILITY WITH AMBULATORY SURGICAL CENTER AND PROFESSIONAL -- WELL, I WANT TO SAY MEDICAL OFFICES FOR DOCTORS. THAT IS WHAT WE ARE DOING. APPRECIATE
YOUR SUPPORT . >> RIGHT. ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? THANK YOU, SIR. WITH THAT, I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. I HAVE NO CARDS ON THIS. DOES ANYBODY WISH TO SPEAK TO THIS? SEEING NONE , I CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMISSION. FOR DISCUSSION.
>> I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE APPROVAL OF THE STAFF REPORT.
>> SECOND. >> WE HAVE A SECOND. OKAY.
DISCUSSION ? >> I THINK THE FACT THAT MR. WHITE ADDRESSED THE CONCERN
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HOLDING EVERYTHING UP. THANK YOU FOR DOING THAT.>> MR. CHAIR, I JUST -- ONLY BECAUSE I WANT TO GET IT IN THE MINUTES THAT I STILL OBJECT TO THIS STUFF GOING IN AGAINST THE FLEMING ISLAND MASTER PLAN . THAT IS, I BELIEVE OUR CHAIR SAID LAST TIME THE BCC PUT US BETWEEN A ROCK AND A HARD PLACE IN THIS ONE BECAUSE IF THIS HAD COME IN AS A STANDALONE REQUEST BEFORE THE HOSPITAL , THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN A HARD NO . I'M PROBABLY GOING TO VOTE YES, BUT I WANT IT ON RECORD THAT I STILL THINK THIS WHOLE -- 220 IS NOT SUPPOSED TO BE A COMMERCIAL STRIP THROUGH THERE. SO I THINK THIS WILL HELP. AT LEAST BY
GETTING RID OF THE RETAIL . >> ANY OTHER COMMENTS ? I'VE GOT A COUPLE COMMENTS ABOUT THIS. FIRST OFF , THE STAFF FINDINGS HERE -- IT STATES IN HERE THAT IT IS AN INFILL PIECE, WHICH IT IS. AND TO COMMISSIONER PUCKHABER'S COMMENT, IF IT WASN'T BECAUSE OF THE PS-3 TO THE EAST OF IT, IT WOULD NOT BE AN INFILL PIECE. THE BCC DID PUT US IN A HARD PLACE. SO THAT BEING SAID, THAT IS THAT . AS FAR AS CLAY COUNTY COMPREHENSIVE PLAN , IT IS IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CLAY COUNTY COMPREHENSIVE PLAN , BUT IT IS NOT IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE FLEMING ISLAND PLAN AS FAR AS WHAT THE MAP SAYS SHOULD BE BUILT ALONG THAT STRIP. I KEEP BEATING ON THAT DRUM . I PROBABLY WILL UNTIL I RETIRE FROM THIS COMMISSION. THE LAST THING I QUESTION ON THE WRITEUP IS -- AND I DO NOT MEAN THIS DEROGATORILY , BUT TRAFFIC IS A CONCERN AND I UNDERSTAND WHY THE CAC PROBABLY BROUGHT THAT UP , BUT -- 220 UP UNTIL COLLEGE HAS BEEN A FOUR-LANE ROAD FOR YEARS. AND EVERYTHING WEST OF 220 IS NOW GOING THROUGH THE SUFFERING OF EXPANDING IT PROBABLY ALL THE WAY TO MIDDLEBURG. I GUESS MY COMMENT THERE WAS I DON'T SEE THE RELEVANCY OF TRANSPORTATION ALONG TO 20 -- 220 BEING PART OF THE DISCUSSION BECAUSE IT IS ALREADY THERE . THE ONLY OTHER THING I HAD IS , IS THIS PART OF THE APPLICATION? OR IS THIS JUST
NICE TO LOOK AT? >> IT IS PART OF THE APPLICATION, SIR, THAT THEY HAVE SUBMITTED FOR DRC.
>> OKAY. MY QUESTION IS, DOES THAT MEAN THAT THIS HAS TO LOOK LIKE THIS AFTER DRC HITS THROUGH IT ?
>> GENERALLY SIMILAR. >> OKAY. ALL RIGHT. I'VE HAD MY SAY . WITH THAT, I WILL CALL -- DO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A
SECOND? >> I AM IN AGREEMENT WITH MR. PUCKHABER'S COMMENTS . I FEEL EXACTLY THE SAME WAY. AND WITH SOME OF THE CHAIRMAN'S COMMENTS AS WELL. I JUST HOPE THAT THE CHURCH STOPS THE REST OF WILL BE IN FAVOR OF THIS. BUT BASED ON THOSE SAME COMMENTS HOPING THAT THIS IS WHERE THIS ENDS .
>> AND I DO HAVE A, -- , TO THE APPLICANT. I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU DOING THIS AS FAR AS BRINGING IT BACK TO A PS-3 BECAUSE THAT LOCKS IT DOWN FOR US AND RELIEVES US FROM A LOT OF CONCERNS AS FAR AS COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT. THANK YOU FOR THAT.
WITH THAT, I WILL CALL FOR A VOTE . ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. THOSE OPPOSED, SAME SIGN . OKAY. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU, GENTLEMEN. APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU , MS. BRYLA. WITH THAT BEING SAID, I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD ONE LAST TIME. IS THERE ANYBODY HERE WHO WOULD LIKE TO MAKE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS PERTAINING TO THIS COMMISSION? SEEING NONE, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. AND WITH THAT THE NEXT THING WE HAVE ON OUR AGENDA FOR US IS THE SEPTEMBER 16TH SOIRÉE IN DAYTONA.
>> IS EVERYBODY ATTENDING ? >> I WILL DO MY BEST TO GET DOWN
THERE. I MISSED THE LAST ONE. >> I WILL NOT BE DOWN THERE. IT
IS MY WEDDING ANNIVERSARY. >> WHAT KIND OF AN EXCUSE IS
THAT? >> I WILL TAKE THE WRATH OF THE COUNTY FOR I TAKE IT FROM MY WIFE .
>> I WILL NOT BE THERE EITHER. IT IS MY WIFE'S BIRTHDAY THAT
DAY. >> BRING HER. US PLANNERS -- WE
ARE A GOOD TIME. >> THAT IS WHAT PETE SAID. BRING
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YOUR WIFE. >> NICE HOTEL THERE. YOU CAN
SPEND THE NIGHT. >> I WILL TALK TO HER ABOUT
THAT. >> WE HAVE NO PRESENTATIONS.
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