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HAVE FOUR OF OUR FIVE MEMBERS PRESENT, THE FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS APPROVAL OF OUR MINUTES FROM THE LAST MEETING, WHICH WAS
JULY 24TH . >> I WON'T SAY ANYTHING BECAUSE
I WASN'T HERE. >> I WASN'T HERE BUT I READ THE MINUTES AND THE LINK TO THE VIDEOS DIDN'T WORK. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT CHANGES -- IN THE PDF YOU CAN CLICK AND IT GOES SOMEWHERE AND IT SAYS IT'S NOT THERE. ANYWAY.
>> I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MOMENTS -- MINUTES
AS THEY STAND. >> I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND AND I DID READ THEM. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. THE NEXT ITEM WE
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HAVE IS PUBLIC COMMENT WHERE I'M OPENING IT FOR ANYBODY THAT WANTS TO COME UP AND SPEAK ABOUT ANYTHING ON THE AGENDA OR ANYTHING NOT ON THE AGENDA. I WILL OPEN IT. AND COME RIGHT AHEAD, SIR. NOW, IF I HAVE A CARD FROM YOU, FOR A SPECIFIC ITEM EITHER EIGHT OR 10, WE WILL HAVE A SPECIFIC TIME FOR YOU TO COME UP AND TALK ABOUT JUST THAT ITEM. I APPRECIATE YOU, PUTTING JOHNNY ON THE SPOT, ACTUALLY I GUESS I SHOULD SAY ANYTHING NOT[PUBLIC HEARINGS]
ON THE AGENDA, BUT OKAY. SEEING NOBODY ELSE I WILL CLOSE IT AND BRING IT BACK TO US, NOW WE GO INTO OUR PUBLIC HEARINGS, AND THE FIRST ONE IS BOA 25-0008. I TURN IT OVER TO OUR STAFF.>> THANK YOU, CHAIR, SO YOU WILL REMEMBER THAT THIS WAS CONTINUED FROM LAST MONTH , AND IN THE SPIRIT OF BREVITY, I WILL BE HAPPY TO GO THROUGH THE APPLICATION PRESENTATION AGAIN HOWEVER, THERE IS NO EVIDENCE THAT SURFACED BETWEEN LAST MONTH AND THIS MONTH THAT WOULD CHANGE THE RECOMMENDATION. SO IT'S THE
PLEASURE OF THE BOARD. >> IF I COULD ASK WHY IT WAS DEFERRED, WHAT ADDITIONAL INFORMATION , DID WE REQUEST
ADDITIONAL INFORMATION? >> NO SIR, THE BOARD WANTED TO GO OUT AND PHYSICALLY LOOK AT THE PROPERTY, BASED ON THE LARGE SIZE OF THE PROPOSED GARAGE, TO SEE WHAT THE VISUAL IMPACT WOULD
>> THIS IS THE SITE PLAN. AND IT'S A PRETTY GOOD SIZED GARAGE, AND WE DIDN'T HAVE COMPLAINTS FROM THE NEIGHBORS, BUT, WE WERE JUST CONCERNED BECAUSE --
>> I BELIEVE WE ACTUALLY HAD A LETTER IN SUPPORT FROM THE NEIGHBOR AS WELL, IS THAT CORRECT?
>> THE APPLICANT IS HERE. >> YEAH, WE HAVE SIX LETTERS,
FIVE IN MY POSSESSION -- >> I'M SORRY, I FORGET THAT, IT'S KIND OF A CONTINUATION, NO, PUT YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS ON
THE RECORD, PLEASE. >> GAGE CHANCEY, MY ADDRESS IS
49 GRAND ROAD. >> EVERYTHING YOU ARE ABOUT TO SAY IS THE TRUTH SO HELP YOU GOD.
>> YES SIR. >> YOU HAVE ADDITIONAL
INFORMATION. >> INITIALLY, I HAD SIX LETTERS AND I STILL HAVE THOSE LETTERS OF COURSE, THE OTHER THING THAT WAS MENTIONED IN THE MEETING LAST TIME WAS A COUPLE OF OTHER APPLICATIONS BEING APPROVED. I DO HAVE THE APPLICATION NUMBERS, AND THE PARCEL NUMBERS, ONE WAS APPROVED BY MIKE ON 6/23, BOTH WERE FOR VERY SIMILAR GARAGE STRUCTURES ON THE SAME STREET AS MYSELF. SO, ULTIMATELY, I'M NOT SURE YOU ALL GOT TO GO OUT AND SEE THE PROPERTY, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS I DIDN'T ADD LAST TIME WAS ON BOTH SIDES, THE EASEMENT AND THE SOUTH SIDE OF MY PROPERTY, THERE IS SOMEWHAT OF A BUFFER THERE. SO, REALLY THE ONLY VISUAL EFFECT THAT IT'S GOING TO HAVE IS ON THE FRONT.
BUT WITH THE APPEAL AND THE WAY WE WILL BE VOTING THIS, IT'LL BE REALLY PRETTY. ULTIMATELY, WE WILL BE KEEPING VALUABLE VEHICLES IN THERE, SO IT'S NOT SOMETHING WE ARE GOING TO MAKE LOOK OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. SO, I'M NOT SURE IF YOU GUYS WOULD
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LIKE ME TO ADD ANYTHING BUT THOSE WERE THE MAIN COMMENTS THAT I WANTED TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY WAS AWARE OF TODAY.>> REMIND ME, IT SEEMS LIKE OUR BIGGEST CONCERNS WAS THE FACT
THAT IT WAS IN HIS FRONT YARD. >> IT WAS. THE BIGGEST CONCERN WAS THAT IT WAS WELL, I DON'T KNOW IF WE ARE TO THIS POINT YET, BUT IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, YOU MAY WANT TO ASK BUT THE BIGGEST CONCERNS WHERE THE FRONT YARD AND YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY THE SIZE OF THE STRUCTURE. I THINK THE BIG THING
>> GOTCHA, SO IT WAS THE SIZE OF THE STRUCTURE AND KIND OF THE GENERAL DYNAMIC OF THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, IT WAS THE TWO ITEMS WE DISCUSSED. I KNOW HE MENTIONED HE WASN'T SURE IF YOU GUYS HAD A CHANCE TO DO A SITE VISIT, I DON'T KNOW IF WE ARE TO THAT PORTION OF THE MEETING YET WHERE I CAN YOU KNOW, MAKE A MOTION BUT I DID GO AND DO A SITE VISIT. HE MENTIONED AGO, A BUFFER. THERE'S A LOT OF TREES BETWEEN HIS RESIDENCE AND THE PLACES NEXT-DOOR. LOOKING AT THE PROPERTY, COMING FROM KEYSTONE HEIGHTS, IT'S AN AREA THAT HAS A BUNCH OF LAKES, I AM USE TO VERY THIN PROPERTIES, WE ARE NOT AS WIDE, SO BEING IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, MOST OF THOSE ARE LIKE THAT BECAUSE IT'S RIGHT ACROSS FROM THE ST. JOHNS RIVER. THAT PROPERTY IS NO WIDER THAN ,
I WOULD SAY, AND TO END -- >> I WOULD SAY IT'S 120 FEET.
>> SO, I KNOW THE BACKYARD WAS BASICALLY THE ONLY PLACE IT WAS DISCUSSED WHERE IT COULD HAVE BEEN BUT REALLY THERE'S NOT ROOM THERE TO PUT IT, EITHER. AND THERE'S ENOUGH BUFFER, GO
AHEAD. >> NO, I WAS JUST, SO HERE'S THE SITE PLAN, SO IT SHOWS THAT THE SIDE LOT LINE IS 440 FEET.
>> I HAVE SOMETHING ELSE, TOO, I LOOKED AT THE VIDEOS, AND I PULLED IT UP ON GOOGLE MAPS, AND ONE THING I FOUND, WHEN I PULL IT UP ON GOOGLE MAPS, IT SHOWED ANOTHER ADDRESS, I CALLED STAFF AND I FOUND OUT THAT THE FRONT PART WAS ACTUALLY A SEPARATE PARCEL AT ONE TIME AND IF YOU LOOK ON GOOGLE MAPS, TWO STREETS OVER IN THE SAME WITH, THERE ARE THREE HOUSES, SO I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT THOUGHT BOTH LOTS, SO IF YOU DIDN'T, SOMEBODY COULD HAVE PUT A HOUSE ON THERE INSTEAD OF A GARAGE. SO IT'S NOT LIKE IT'S A NORMAL FRONT YARD.
>> MAY I ADD TO THAT? YES, THAT IS THE CASE, I BOUGHT THAT PROPERTY, SO NOBODY WOULD BUILD A HOUSE THERE. MY WIFE ESSENTIALLY SAID WE ARE MOVING OUT IF THAT HAPPENS. THE ONLY WAY I WAS ABLE TO DO THAT WAS TO WORK WITH MY DAD BECAUSE HE DRIVES RACE CARS AND STUFF LIKE THAT, WAS TO GO IN HALF ON THAT, AND THAT'S THE WAY I DID IT. WITH THE INTENTION OF KNOWING THAT EITHER WAY, SOMEBODY WAS GOING TO BUILD SOMETHING THERE, I WOULD MUCH RATHER IT BE MYSELF THAN SOMEBODY WHO COULD PUT A FENCE BACK UP IN MY BACKYARD. IN THIS WAY, IT'LL STILL SALVAGE A LOT OF THE VIEW. IT'LL LOOK REALLY NICE. SO, IT WAS A GOOD
MIDDLE GROUND. >> TO ME, THE FACT THAT IT COULD HAVE BEEN A HOUSE, OR IT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN A REGULAR FRONT YARD WITH A BUILDING WHERE IT COULD HAVE BEEN A WHOLE OTHER
PROPERTY. >> ON THE NORTH SIDE, HIS DRIVEWAY ACTUALLY SERVES TO HOMES -- TWO HOMES.
>> AND IF YOU GO SOUTH, IT'S A SIMILAR THING WITH THE DRIVEWAY
SERVING THREE HOUSES. >> JENNI, YOU RECOMMENDED DENIAL BECAUSE THE GARAGE CAN'T BE PUT IN THE FRONT YARD, WE WERE ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT THE SIZE OF THE STRUCTURE. IS THE SEVEN A HALF SIDE YARD SETBACK, DOES THAT MEET CODE? OKAY. WE WERE CONCERNED WITH THE PHYSICAL SIZE OF THE GARAGE, BUT I DON'T THINK WE HAVE A CRITERIA THAT SAYS IT CAN'T BE MORE THAN 3000
SQUARE FEET. >> NOT IN THAT ZONING. WE DO FOR
AGRICULTURAL PURPOSES. >> YEAH.
>> I HAVE A QUESTION. OF THE SIX LETTERS THAT YOU HAD OF SUPPORT, DID IT INCLUDE THE NEIGHBORS ON EACH SIDE OF YOU?
>> I GOT EVERYBODY SURROUNDED ME, EAST, WEST, SOUTH, NORTH, AND A COUPLE OF OTHERS, WHO ARE IN DIRECT VICINITY OF THE VISUAL VIEW. AND REALLY, THE THING THAT IS NICE ABOUT MY STREET, PEOPLE THAT ARE COMING BACK THERE IT'S ONLY BECAUSE THEY LIVE THERE.
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IT'S NOT A HIGHLY ACCESSED ROAD. THE STREET IN GENERAL, IT'S AN OLDER NEIGHBORHOOD. IT'S NOT DIRECTLY OFF OF A MAIN ROAD, IT'S OFF OF PINE AVENUE BUT IT'S A VERY LITTLE TRAVELED ROAD. SO AS FAR AS THE GENERAL PUBLIC SEEING THIS, IT WILL BE VERY RARE, MAYBE AN AMAZON DRIVER, UPS, SOMETHING LIKE THATAPPLICANT OR STAFF? >> I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. NOW I'M GOING TO OPEN UP THE PUBLIC, ANYBODY THE PUBLIC WANTING TO SPEAK ABOUT THIS ONE , 25-0008, SEEING NONE, I WILL CLOSE IT AND COME BACK TO US FOR DISCUSSION
OR A MOTION OR WHATEVER. >> MR. CHAIRMAN, I WILL MAKE THE MOTION TO APPROVE. I DID DO THE SITE VISIT, LOOKING AT THE PROPERTY AS MR. KRAUT MENTIONED, AS A SEPARATE PARCEL, AS YOU LOOK ALONG THE SIDE, IT'S A PRETTY EXTENSIVE BUFFER THAT IS THERE. IT'S VERY WHAT IT, SO IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, EASILY SUPER VISIBLE. IT'S AT THE END OF A ROAD. I WOULD MAKE THE
MOTION TO APPROVE THIS. >> I WILL SECOND.
>> I'VE GOT A MOTION AND A SECOND, TO APPROVE THE REQUEST
>> BOA 25-0008 AS SUBMITTED ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. ALL OPPOSED?
IT PASSES . GOOD LUCK. >> MISS BLANCHETTE, DO YOU WANT
TO SWEAR PEOPLE IN? OKAY. >> SHE IS BETTER AT IT.
>> WE ARE GOING TO SWEAR AND EVERYBODY AT ONE TIME. THAT
WOULD BE GREAT. >> DO YOU WANT TO SPEAK?
>> WE ARE GETTING READY TO OPEN 25-0010, WHICH IS THE ONE UP ON ELDRIDGE . OF EVERYBODY THAT WANTS TO SPEAK AND I HAVE SEVERAL CARDS, IF YOU ALL WOULD STAND, AND YOU WILL BE SWORN IN SO I DON'T HAVE TO DO YOU INDIVIDUALLY, THAT'S GREAT.
>> TO YOU ALL SWEAR OR AFFIRM THE INFORMATION YOU ARE ABOUT TO GIVE WILL BE TRUE AND CORRECT, SO HELP YOU GOD? THANK YOU AND
HAVE A SEAT. >> YOU SOUND A LOT MORE FORMAL THAN I DO. IT'S LIKE YOU ARE A PRO. OKAY. WELL, I GUESS I HAVE OPENED THIS SO I WILL TURN IT OVER TO STAFF.
>> CHAIR, AGAIN, EXCUSE ME, THIS IS A CASE THAT WAS HEARD LAST MONTH FOR AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE THAT IS PROHIBITED IN THE SIDE YARD OF THE RB ZONING DISTRICT. I DID HEAR FROM THE WOMAN FILED THE COMPLAINT, THE CODE ENFORCEMENT COMPLAINT AND SHE SAID SHE WAS GOING TO BE HERE THIS EVENING AND WANTED TO SPEAK. THE APPLICANT, MR. MEYER, IS NOT HERE. AND HE HAS PROVIDED AN AGENT, AND AUTHORIZED AGENT, MR. DIXON, TO SPEAK ON HIS BEHALF. BUT I'M HAPPY TO GO THROUGH THE PRESENTATION AGAIN.
>> I THINK THAT'S OKAY. YEAH, WE HAD A LETTER FROM CHARLENE, AND SHE HAS SIGNED A CARD OR I GUESS THAT'S A HE, I'M SORRY.
I'M SORRY, I HAVE A SHANNON BURCHELL AND I THOUGHT CHARLENE BUT MAYBE I'M MISREADING. I'M HALF BLIND. THE GENTLEMAN WHO IS HERE REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT, IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADD BUT YOU CAN ALSO HEAR FROM MR. MYERS, OR IF YOU WANT TO WAIT, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN COME AT THAT TIME AND DISCUSS OR ANSWER QUESTIONS RAISED BY THEM.
>> COULD I ASK AGAIN, WHY WE DEFERRED IT?
>> I WANTED TO DRIVE BY AND SEE IT, WHICH I DID. I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY ELSE DID. IT'S A VERY UNIQUE AREA. I PERSONALLY HAVE SOME HISTORY GOING BACK, AS THE ENGINEER FOR THE TOWN OF
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ORANGE PARK, AS A CONSULTANT, THAT WAS ONE OF MY CLIENTS, FRANK PERRAULT BUILT HOMES FOR HIS CHILDREN .>> THAT WAS ACTUALLY MY FATHER. I'M FRANK.
>> IT WAS KEITH PERRAULT, I KNEW KEITH BEFORE HE PASSED AWAY, HE BUILT HOUSES FOR HIS CHILDREN, AND THEN SETBACKS AND THINGS WEREN'T TOO MUCH OF AN ISSUE BECAUSE THEY ARE ALL FAMILY.
THIS ONE HAS NOW BEEN SOLD TO SOMEBODY ELSE, SO HE'S GOT A BUILDING, YOU WILL SEE IN THE PICTURE, IT'S A MOVABLE STRUCTURE, AND IT WAS SITTING ON, WHAT LOOKS TO BE FROM THE SURVEY, A PROPERTY LINE, AND DON'T KNOW HOW LONG IT'S BEEN THERE. THE PROXIMITY, THE DISTANCE BETWEEN THE HOUSES, IT'S KIND OF CLOSE, AND YOU HAD TO SWING INTO YOUR BROTHERS YARD TO GET INTO YOURS, THAT KIND OF THING. THAT WASN'T AN ISSUE BUT YOU CAN'T BUILD A FENCE THERE OBVIOUSLY, AND THAT'S WHERE THE BUILDING CAME INTO QUESTION OF HAVING IT SET ON WHOSE PROPERTY OR WHATEVER. SO, WE JUST SAID, LET'S STEP BACK AND HAVE A CHANCE TO GO SEE IT. THEY ARE NICE HOMES, THEY ARE BUILT CLOSE TOGETHER BUT WHEN IT WAS A FAMILY COMPOUND, THAT WA ONE THING BUT AS THEY GET SOLD AFTER -- OFF, YOU WILL HAVE THESE
ISSUES. >> ONE OF THE CONCERNS I RAISED WAS ONE OF THE ARGUMENTS THAT WAS MADE WAS THAT IT WAS AN AFTER-THE-FACT, THIS WAS AN AFTER-THE-FACT VARIANCE THAT THE SHED WAS PLACED THERE. THE APPLICANT MADE THE COMMENT LAST TIME THAT THE SHED WAS ALREADY THERE WHEN HE MOVED IN. THAT HE DIDN'T PUT IT THERE, HE DIDN'T KNOW ANY BETTER, AND SO, WHEN WE ASKED HIM ABOUT THE TIMEFRAME OF WHEN HE MOVED THERE, THE DATE GIVEN I BELIEVE, THE YEAR WAS 2017, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT, WHEN WE WENT BACK , ONE OF THE THINGS YOU CAN DO ON GOOGLE EARTH IS ACTUALLY LOOK AT MAPS FROM DIFFERENT YEARS, AS FAR BACK AS 2005. I ASSUME IT'S A 20 YEAR WINDOW, LOOKING BACK IN 2017 AFTER THE TIMEFRAME OF WHEN HE WOULD HAVE BOUGHT THE PROPERTY, THAT SHED WAS NOT THERE.
>> I LOOKED AT THAT MYSELF, AND I THINK IN 21, IT WASN'T THERE, 22, I THINK IT WAS, THEN THERE WERE SOME NOT VERY GOOD PICTURES, BUT IT WAS SOMETIME AFTER 2021, 2022, THIS ONE SHOWS
UP. >> AND IF YOU RECALL FROM THE LAST MEETING, NYKKI HAD BROUGHT UP WELL IT SHOWED UP IN THE MLS LISTING SO WE WERE LIKE MAYBE IT WAS THERE, AND YOU KNOW, THE IMAGERY WAS INCORRECT. THE MLS LISTING I BELIEVE , I BELIEVE THE HOUSE IS CURRENTLY FOR SALE OR RECENTLY WAS POSTED FOR SALE.
SO THOSE PHOTOS THAT WERE TALKED ABOUT LAST TIME ARE ONLY RECENT PHOTOS, NOT PHOTOS FROM BACK IN 2017. THE PROPERTY IS STILL PROBABLY CURRENTLY FOR SALE. SO THAT WITH THE CONCERN I HAVE BROUGHT UP, YOU KNOW, ULTIMATELY ALONG THE LINES OF, THIS IS AN AFTER-THE-FACT VARIANCE. IS BASICALLY REQUESTING TO GO BACK AND FIX THIS. THE APPLICANT PRETENDED HER I DON'T WANT TO SAY PRETENDED BUT MADE A CLAIM THAT THE SHED WAS ALREADY IN THAT LOCATION PRIOR TO HIM PURCHASING THE PROPERTY AND AS I'VE BEEN ABLE TO FIND ON IMAGERY, AND I'VE LOOKED MULTIPLE TIMES AT MULTIPLE % YEARS, THAT WAS NOT THERE IN 2017 OR 2018. AND I THINK THAT'S PRETTY SIGNIFICANT TO
TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION. >> I LOOKED AT THE COUNTY GIS MAP, TOO, COMPARING THAT TO GOOGLE EARTH, AND THEY DIDN'T AGREE WITH EACH OTHER BUT NEITHER OF THEM SHOWED IT IN
>> THANK YOU FOR DOING ALL OF THAT. I APPRECIATE IT.
>> I DON'T KNOW HOW TO FIND THAT STUFF.
>> SO YOU TWO GUYS WERE NOT HERE LAST MONTH, HAVE YOU ALL GOT QUESTIONS, EITHER MR. PERRAULT CAN SPEAK FOR MR. MYERS --
>> NO, MR. DIXON IS HIS AGENT. >> OKAY. MR. DIXON. DO YOU WANT TO SPEAK , I SAW FRANK PERRAULT AND I WAS THINKING THAT WAS, OKAY, NEVERMIND. MR. DIXON DO YOU WANT TO SPEAK FOR ANYTHING REGARDING MR. MYERS OR DO YOU WANT ME TO LET FRANK AND THE BURCHELL'S SPEAK? I WILL START WITH MR. PERRAULT BECAUSE I KNOW
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YOUR DAD AND YOU ARE ALREADY SWORN IN, SO WE ARE GOOD TO GO.>> THANK YOU GUYS FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK.
>> YOU CAN BRING THAT MICROPHONE DOWN.
>> OKAY. MR. MYERS PURCHASED THE HOME BACK IN MARCH OF 2017 AND I GOT AN EMAIL FROM MY BROTHER, WHO HE BOUGHT THE HOUSE FROM, AND IT READS, TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN, THIS IS A FORMAL EMAIL LETTING THE COMMUNITY OF ELDRIDGE AVENUE KNOW THAT I OFFICIALLY SOLD THE PROPERTY ON MARCH 15TH OF 2017, TO THE BUYER, MICHAEL MEYER, THE PROPERTY WAS SOLD WITH NO SHED OR OTHER DETACHED ACCESSORY BUILDINGS. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS FOR THIS MATTER, PLEASE CONTACT ME DIRECTLY, BEST REGARDS, KEITH PERRAULT, I'M NOT HERE TO BASH ANYBODY BUT, WHEN I SAW THE FIRST HEARING , AND IT RAISED A LOT OF CONCERNS TO ME AND THAT'S WHY I AM ACTUALLY SPEAKING UP BECAUSE YOU ASKED TO RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND TELL THE TRUTH AND I SAID THIS GUY IS JUST LYING OUT OF HIS MOUTH, I HAVE NO QUARREL WITH MIKE MYERS. I THINK, I DON'T LIVE NEXT DOOR , THE BURCHELL'S DO, I LIVE FURTHER TOWARDS THE BACK. WHEN MY FATHER BUILT THOSE HOMES, I WAS ACTUALLY THE LAST PERRAULT FAMILY MEMBER TO MOVE IN THERE BECAUSE I KNEW IT WAS GOING TO BE A BAD IDEA TO HAVE THE WHOLE FAMILY THERE. ANYWAY, LONG STORY SHORT, I'M THE LAST FAMILY MEMBER THERE, EVERYBODY IS ALREADY GONE. AND AS YOU ARE AWARE, MY FATHER DIED BACK IN 2018. HE DROWNED ON THE ST. JOHNS RIVER, NOT BECAUSE HE DIDN'T KNOW HOW TO SWIM BUT BECAUSE THERE WAS A CASE THAT WAS INVOLVED WITH THE CLAY COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE, AND THERE WAS AN INVESTIGATION THAT WAS GOING ON BECAUSE HIM AND MY MOTHER GOT INTO, THEY GOT A DIVORCE AND HE MET SOME WOMAN AND LONG STORY SHORT, SHE WAS NOT A GOOD, YOU KNOW, SHE WAS NOT A GOOD PERSON. WE BELIEVE THAT SHE HAD SOMETHING TO DO WITH IT. SO IT'S STILL AN OPEN CASE. IF SOMEBODY COMES FORWARD WITH SOMETHING, MAYBE THERE MIGHT BE A PROSECUTION INVOLVED.
IT TOOK A LOT OF EFFORT ON OUR SIDE TO GET HER OUT OF OUR FATHER'S HOUSE WHERE HE WAS STAYING IN FLEMING ISLAND, AND SHE WAS REALLY TRYING TO TAKE HIM TO THE BANK . BUT THAT'S A WHOLE OTHER STORY. REGARDS OF ELDRIDGE AVENUE, I'VE BEEN THERE SINCE 2007, SO I HAVE SEEN AND KNOWN EVERYTHING, WHAT'S GOING ON. WE'VE ALWAYS GOTTEN ALONG, ALL THE NEIGHBORS HAVE GOTTEN ALONG. WE HAVE A MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT AS FAR AS WHAT WE TAKE CARE OF, WHO TAKES CARE OF WHAT. IT'S ALWAYS WORKED OUT. IT'S ALWAYS WORKED OUT. BUT THERE HAVE BEEN SOME INCIDENCES WHERE IT HASN'T WORKED OUT, WITH THE POOL, WITH THE DOCK, THINGS TO REPAIR AND WE HAVE A LETTER, A BINDING LETTER FROM THE ATTORNEY'S OFFICE STATING THAT IF YOU DO NOT WITHHOLD YOUR OBLIGATION TO MAINTAIN THESE PROPERTIES, THEN YOU'RE GOING TO LOSE OR SHARE OF THE SHAREHOLDERS OF WHAT WE ALL SHARE THERE, IN THE COMMUNITY. SO, I'M JUST HERE TO REPRESENT MY FAMILY, AND I'M NOT HERE TO BASH NOBODY, BUT I'M JUST HERE TO REPRESENT MY FAMILY, BECAUSE WHEN I SAW THE FIRST VIDEO I WAS LIKE, I HAVE TO STAND UP AND SAY SOMETHING.
SO, BUT, THE SHED WAS NOT THERE AT THE TIME OF THE PURCHASE AND MY BROTHERS EMAIL STATES THAT. SO IT'S BEEN MOVED, I DON'T WANT TO KEEP GOING ON BUT, THE PREVIOUS OWNER , TERRY, HIS NAME WAS TERRY, I FORGOT THE LAST NAME. BUT HE HAD ANOTHER INCIDENT WHERE HE WAS TRYING TO SELL HIS HOUSE AND HE CALLED CODE ENFORCEMENT, AND THAT'S HOW THE SHED WAS MOVED, SO THAT'S WHY IF YOU LOOK ON GOOGLE MAPS, WHEN YOU SEE THE SHED WASN'T THERE AT THE TIME, THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME SPEAK.
>> THANK YOU. >> NOW I'VE GOT THE BURCHELL'S, I WILL SAY IT THAT WAY. YOU CAN COME UP INDIVIDUALLY OR TOGETHER. YOU'VE ALREADY BEEN SWORN IN. WE ARE SUPPOSED ONLY
HAVE THREE MINUTES. >> I USED TO WORK FOR FRANK'S
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DAD, AND I KNEW HE HAD PASSED AWAY BUT I DIDN'T KNOW ALL THE BACK STORY SO I WAS FASCINATED BY THAT STORY. GO AHEAD.>> >> THEY GET SIX MINUTES BECAUSE
THERE'S TWO OF THEM. >> LOVELY. SO, BASED ON WHAT HE SAID WHEN YOU SAW THE MISSING --
>> JUST STATE YOUR NAME. >> CHARLENE BURCHELL. DO I NEED TO SAY MY ADDRESS? THE PROPERTY WAS MOVED, BUT THAT WAS AFTER A DIFFERENT VIOLATION THAT HE DID, SO, WE BOUGHT THE PROPERTY IN NOVEMBER OF 2021, AND WHEN WE BOUGHT IT, THERE WAS A SHED THERE, I WAS TOLD IT WAS GOING TO BE REMOVED. THE SELLER SAID IT WAS GOING TO BE REMOVED AND THEY SAID EVERYONE HAD THE COMMUNITY THAT THAT WOULD HAPPEN. IT DIDN'T, AND AFTER A WHILE, WE JUST WAITED FOR SOMETHING TO HAPPEN, AND IT WAS REMOVED EVENTUALLY, I DON'T , I DIDN'T HAVE BACK STORY AT THE TIME BUT ONCE WE FIX THE FRONT GATE WHICH WAS BROKEN WHEN WE GOT THERE, HE BROUGHT THE SHED BACK, WITHOUT ASKING US ANYTHING, HE JUST PUT IT THERE AND TOLD US IF WE DIDN'T ACCEPT IT, IT WAS A PROBLEM HOWEVER, I DID FIND HIS ORIGINAL LISTING.
THE MLS PAGE, A REALTOR SENT IT TO ME AND I SENT IN EMAIL WITH THE FOLLOWING INFORMATION. IT SHOWS THE INITIAL COMPLAINT THAT WAS MADE AGAINST HIM, SHOWING THAT HE WAS INFORMED IN JUNE OF 2021, THAT IT WAS OVER THE SETBACK, IT WAS PART OF THE PROBLEM. I SHOW THAT THE INITIAL LIKE VIOLATIONS AND THE INFORMATION THAT HE GOT, STATING THAT IT WAS SEEN AND THEY THOUGHT THEY SAW IT WAS IN VIOLATION AND HE HAD A CERTAIN AMOUNT TO GET IT DONE. SO THERE'S LETTERS FROM I BELIEVE, FEBRUARY AND MARCH, TO INFORM HIM TO MOVE THE SHED. AND THEN , AFTER BEING FINED, HE MOVED IT AND BROUGHT IT BACK ONLY AFTER WE HAVE THE THING FIXED. SO I ALSO ADDED AN IMAGE FROM JANUARY OF 2023, SHOWING THAT THOUGH IT WAS CLEARED , YOU KNOW, IT WAS REMOVED, BECAUSE HE AGREED IT NEEDED TO BE REMOVED BUT HE IMMEDIATELY BROUGHT IT BACK. AND NOW, US DOING THIS, THE REASON WE DIDN'T FILE A COMPLAINT SOONER, IS BECAUSE THERE IS AN IMAGINARY LINE THAT KIND OF DIVIDES THE DRIVEWAY, THAT'S NOT AN ACCURATE LINE. IT'S PUSHED OVER SO THAT LOOKS LIKE HE ACTUALLY OWNS MORE, AND HE HAS PUSHED THE NARRATIVE THAT HE OWNS THE MAJORITY OF THE DRIVEWAY, SO HE HAS THE RIGHT TO USE IT HOWEVER HE SEES FIT, AND THAT LINE IS TO SHOW US HOW MUCH HE CAN TAKE UP, LIKE HOW MUCH SPACE HE CAN TAKE UP WHICH IS ALSO NOT ACCURATE. IT'S JUST BEEN A CONSISTENT PROBLEM OF HIM PUSHING OVER BOUNDARIES AND PUSHING THE STORYLINE THAT'S NOT ACTUALLY TRUE. AND I DID LOTS OF DIGGING, SO I DID SEND LOTS OF INFORMATION AND I HAVE LOTS MORE INFORMATION THAT SHOWS THAT HE'S BEEN WRONG FOR SEVERAL REASONS. IS A BEAUTIFUL PROPERTY, WE HAD NO PROBLEM LIVING THERE. IT'S ACTUALLY QUITE SPACIOUS, I KNOW IT SEEMS LIKE EVERYTHING IS CLOSE BOUT 55 FEET WIDE, SO THE ONLY WAY THAT IS A PROBLEM IS WHEN YOU DECIDE TO PUT SEVEN CARS THERE, AND A PICKUP TRUCK AND THEN LIKE THE TRAILER OUT FOR THE GARAGE OR THE SHED IN WHICH HE WILL USE FOR RANDOM ITEMS THAT HE USES TO PICK UP ITEMS, IT HAS NO RHYME OR REASON, IT'S JUST TO INSINUATE OVER
EVERYONE'S BOUNDARIES. >> A COUPLE OF CLARIFICATION POINTS, SO THE MIDDLE OF THE DRIVEWAY --
>> I'M SHANNON BIRCHALL. A COUPLE OF CLARIFICATIONS, THE DRIVEWAY BOUNDARY , THERE IS AN EASEMENT THERE, YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO BLOCK IT, AND THAT'S WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT, AND HE BLOCKS IT, SO, WE ARE PRETTY PASSIVE, ACTUALLY, THE ONLY REASON WE ARE ALL HERE IS BECAUSE OF WHAT HE SAID LAST TIME OTHERWISE, WE WOULDN'T BE HERE. WE RESPECT THE OATH AND WE RESPECT WHAT YOU DO, AND THAT'S WHY WE ARE HERE. SO, THAT EASEMENT IS THERE AND IT'S BLOCKS. WE DON'T SAY MUCH ABOUT
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IT. AND IN THE PAST, THE NEIGHBOR BEFORE ME, HE PUT A FENCE DOWN THE MIDDLE AND BLOCKED THE DRIVEWAY INCLUDING THE EASEMENT AND THEN HE PUTS HIS SHED ON MY PROPERT AND SAYS DO YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT? WHAT AM I GOING TO DO, I DIDN'T KNOW THERE WAS AN EASEMENT THERE, SO THIS KIND OF NARRATIVE IS WHAT IS GOING ON. AND ONE OTHER CLARIFICATION BECAUSE I KNOW WE'RE PROBABLY OVER THREE MINUTES, ALL THE DOCUMENTS THAT SHE WAS TALKING ABOUT WAS VIOLATIONS SENT BY THE GOVERNMENT, WHAT IS IT, THE LICENSE AGENCY BUILDING CODES, THEY VIOLATED THEM, TWICE. HE TOOK THE SHED OFF THE PROPERTY, THE FENCE WAS LOCKED AND THEN HE PUT THE SHED BACK ON. SO THEY COULDN'T GET INTO IT, SO, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU WANT TO DO ABOUT IT, BUT THAT IS A THING, THAT'S WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED.AND THAT NARRATIVE OF, THAT KIND OF BEHAVIOR IS WHY WE ARE HERE.
AND THAT WAS JUST BEHAVIOR TOWARDS YOU, IMAGINE THE
BEHAVIOR TOWARDS US. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THE LAST CARD I HAD WAS MR. DIXON, I KNOW YOU ARE REPRESENTING MIKE MYERS, ANYTHING YOU WOULD LIKE TO STATE, COME ON UP.
>> MY NAME IS DOUGLAS DIXON AND I AM PRESENTING MR. MIKE MYERS.
SO, FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, HE WAS TRYING TO GET A VARIANCE BECAUSE THE STRUCTURE IS 90 SOMETHING FEET TOO BIG ?
>> SO HE'S APPLYING FOR AN AFTER-THE-FACT VARIANCE, THE ARGUMENT HE MADE WAS THAT THE STRUCTURE WAS ALREADY ON THE PROPERTY PRIOR TO HIS TIME RECEIVING THE HOUSE IN THAT LOCATION, AND IT'S SIGNIFICANTLY OVER WHAT IS ALLOWED FOR THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY, WHICH IS THE SECOND PART TO THE ARGUMENT, BUT THE PRIMARY PART WAS THAT IT WAS AN AFTER-THE-FACT VARIANCE FOR A PROPERTY THAT HE SAID HE HAD NO CONTROL OVER BECAUSE HE CLAIMED THE SHED HAD ALREADY BEEN ON THAT PROPERTY WHEN HEPURCHASED IT.
>> DO YOU ALL ALLOW AFTER-THE-FACT VARIANCE?
>> SO, WE DO . WELL, NOT TO GET INTO THE DISCUSSION PORTION OF IT, IT'S A TWO-PRONGED THING, RIGHT, ONE OF IT IS AN AFTER-THE-FACT AND THE OTHER IS, IT'S OBVIOUSLY SIGNIFICANTLY OVER WHAT THE SIZE LIMIT IS THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED.
>> AND IT SITS IN THE SIDE YARD WHICH IS NOT PERMITTED USE IN RB ZONING DISTRICT, IT NEEDS TO BE IN THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY, AND HE WAS TRYING TO ASSERT THAT THERE WASN'T ROOM IN THE REAR.
>> SO IF IT WAS IN THE REAR, IT WOULD BE FINE?
>> YES SIR. >> IT WOULD BE FINE WITH Y'ALL? IT WON'T FIT. IF IT DON'T FIT, MUST ACQUIT. I MEAN, LISTEN, I'M A HOMEBUILDER. SO I KNOW ALL ABOUT RULES AND REGULATIONS AND VARIANCES, I HAD MY SHARE OF VARIANCES, IN JACKSONVILLE, NOT ONLY THAT, I'M A HOMEOWNER, AND I LIKE TO BE A RESPECTABLE HOMEOWNER AND I LIKE TO GET ALONG , AND IT SEEMS LIKE TO ME, I MIGHT BE THE WRONG PERSON UP HERE FOR MR. MYERS BECAUSE I'M A PEACEFUL PERSON. I LIKE TO GET ALONG. I LIKE HAPPY NEIGHBORS, WE ALL GET ALONG, SO IF THE SHED IS IN THE WRONG PLACE, IF HE CAN MOVE IT TO THE BACK, THEN HE NEEDS TO GET RID OF THE SHED.
>> I THINK HE'S HAD A COUPLE OF CODE ENFORCEMENT CASES. I THINK THE PROBLEM IS, MR. MYERS HAS MOVED THE SHED SOMEWHERE ELSE, I DON'T MEAN ON HIS OWN PROPERTY. HE HAS LEFT THE NEIGHBORHOOD
WITH THE SHED. >> YEAH HE LEFT THE NEIGHBORHOOD WITH THE SHED AND TOWED IT TO MY PROPERTY THEN TOWED IT BACK.
>> NOW WE KNOW WHERE IT'S GOING.
>> I THINK MR. MYERS REALIZES IT'S NOT SUPPOSED TO BE THERE.
>> YEAH, YOU GOT ME HERE, I MEAN THIS IS NOT RIGHT. RIGHT IS RIGHT, WRONG IS WRONG. THAT'S THE WAY I WAS RAISED. SO I SAY, DON'T APPROVE IT. MOVE THE SHED, MOVE THE SHED. HAVE PEACE
WITH YOUR NEIGHBORS. >> I THINK HE WANTS THE SHED
BACK. >> I DON'T WANT THAT SHED, RIGHT IS RIGHT, WRONG IS WRONG, PERIOD!
>> THANK YOU MR. DIXON. WE APPRECIATE YOUR HONESTY .
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>> MOVE THE SHED AND LET THESE PEOPLE GET ON WITH THEIR LIVES.
AM I DONE? I CAN GET BACK TO JACKSONVILLE, ARE Y'ALL DONE
>> CAN I ASK BEFORE ANYBODY -- >> DO YOU WANT TO SAY ANYTHING,
SIR? >> I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC
HEARING. >> IS IT A SIZE AND SET BACK? JUST WONDERING WHAT ALL THE THINGS WERE.
>> IT'S OVER THE PROPERTY LINE, IT'S THE SIZE OF THE SHED, AND BECAUSE OF THE BUILDABLE AREA AND WHERE IT'S LOCATED.
>> I JUST WONDERED. >> IT'S A LOT.
>> I DON'T KNOW HOW TO VOTE ON THIS ONE.
>> I WILL MAKE A MOTION. >> WE ARE READY FOR A MOTION.
>> I'LL MAKE A MOTION FOR DENIAL. I DON'T MIND DOING VARIANCES FOR THINGS THAT ARE KIND OF MAYBE OKAY, WHEN THE PEOPLE THAT ARE DIRECTLY AFFECTED, THE NEIGHBORS, ARE OKAY WITH IT BUT WHEN THEY ARE CLEARLY NOT, AND IT'S CLEARLY IN VIOLATION, I DON'T SEE ANY REASON HOW WE CAN DO ANYTHING
OTHER THAN DENY. >> SO I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO SECOND THAT AND IT'S PARTIALLY ON THAT BUT ALSO PARTIALLY ALONG THE LINES OF, AT THE LAST MEETING, ONE OF THE REASONS IT WAS CONTINUED WAS BECAUSE WE WERE TRYING TO FIND EVIDENCE, HE HAD TOLD US IT'S BEN THERE, IT'S NOT BEEN MOVED FROM THAT EXACT LOCATION SINCE 2017, SINCE THAT MEETING, I'VE PROBABLY SPENT 3 TO 4 HOURS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE THE HECK THIS SHED ACTUALLY WAS, IT WASN'T AT THAT LOCATION, SO, THIS MEETING WOULD HAVE BEEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION, TO HAVE THE PROOF, I SAY THIS RESPECTFULLY AS A BOARD, YOU DO COME UP HERE AND YOU TAKE AN OATH, AND TO SIT HERE AND SAY THAT IT'S BEEN IN ONE LOCATION AND IT HASN'T BEEN MOVED AND IT'S BEEN IN THE SPOT SINCE 2017, AND CLEARLY, 22ND GOOGLE EARTH SEARCH SHOWS YOU THAT IT'S NOT BEN, IT'S KIND OF INSULTING TO THE INTELLIGENCE OF THE PEOPLE ON THIS BOARD, AND OF COURSE, YOU HAVE OBVIOUSLY THE EMAIL THAT'S THERE, SO I SECOND THE MOTION, FOR THE REASONS YOU LISTED AS WELL AS THE SIDE PART, IF YOU'RE GOING TO COME IN HERE AND ASK FOR AN AFTER-THE-FACT VARIANCE, YOU BETTER BE TELLING THE TRUTH. AND I CLOSE MY
STATEMENT. >> BEFORE WE VOTE I WOULD LIKE TO ADD, EVEN THE APPLICANTS AGENT TOLD US THAT YEAH, THE SHED WAS AT HIS PLACE, SO IT COULDN'T HAVE BEEN THERE IF IT WAS AT HIS PLACE . NOT BEFORE THE VOTE, I WANT TO ASK A QUESTION FOR THE THREE PEOPLE THAT ARE HERE. OBVIOUSLY, THIS HAS GONE TO CODE ENFORCEMENT AND HE'S BEEN TOLD TO REMOVE THE SHED, OBVIOUSLY, HE HAS REMOVED THE SHED, BUT THEN HE'S BROUGHT IT BACK, DO WE HAVE ANY BETTER LEGAL STANDING, THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT, THEN CODE ENFORCEMENT? YOU KNOW --
>> CODE ENFORCEMENT HAS STAYED THE CASE UNTIL THIS DECISION WAS MADE BECAUSE IF HE GETS A VARIANCE, HE WOULDN'T HAVE HAD
TO MOVE IT. >> NOW I UNDERSTAND. SO WE HAD A
>> A MOTION AND A SECOND OF DENIAL FOR 25-0010, ALL IN FAVOR OF VOTING FOR THE DENIAL , SAY AYE. IT IS DENIED. THAT WAS MY CONCERN IF HE'S NOT LISTENING TO CODE ENFORCEMENT, WHY WOULD
HE LISTEN TO US? >> HE CAN MOVE IT, CODE ENFORCEMENT COULD SAY YEAH, HE MOVED IT, SIX MONTHS LATER IT COMES BACK AND HE STARTED A NEW CASE.
>> I HATED FOR THESE PEOPLE, THEY'D HAVE TO CALL CODE ENFORCEMENT AGAIN.
OKAY, THE NEXT ITEM WE HAVE IS ANY PUBLIC COMMENT FROM ANYBODY THAT WANTS TO TALK ABOUT ANYTHING ELSE? OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING, OPENING THE -- WE HAVE TO LISTEN TO OUR ILLUSTRIOUS
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STAFF, DO WE HAVE A MEETING NEXT MONTH?>> WE HAVE ONE CASE. >> WE ALWAYS HAVE ONE CASE.
>> NOW CAN I MAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE MEETING?
>> SOUNDS GOOD, DO WE HAVE A SECOND?
>> I'VE A SECOND BUT BEFORE I FINISH, I WANT TO THANK THE COMMISSIONER FOR JOINING US THIS EVENING, OBVIOUSLY PEOPLE ON CAMERA CAN'T NECESSARILY SEE THAT BUT THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE TIME TO TUNE IN AND BE A PART OF THAT WITH US.
>> I WANT TO THANK YOU ALL FOR WHAT YOU DO. IT'S A SOMETIMES VERY REWARDING AND OTHER TIMES, NOT SO MUCH. THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR CONTRIBUTION TO CLAY COUNTY AND THIS IS WHAT IT'S ALL ABOUT, MAKING CLAY COUNTY BETTER TO LIVE FOR OUR RESIDENTS. THANK
YOU VERY MUCH. >>
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.