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          JOIN US FOR OUR INVOCATION. DEAR LORD, BE WITH YOUR PRESIDENT, OUR COUNTRY, ALL OF OUR MILITARY. PLACE PROTECTION AROUND THEM, LORD, BE WITH ALL OF OUR FIRST RESPONDERS, LAW ENFORCEMENT, ALL OF THOSE THAT LOST LOVED ONES AND ARE GRIEVING, LORD. LIFT THEM UP LORD. WE WILL BE MAKING DECISIONS FOR OUR COUNTY AND FUTURE AND IF YOU WILL GIVE US GUIDANCE AND HELP US DO THE RIGHT THING WHEREVER WE MIGHT MAKE DECISIONS THAT EFFECT SO MANY. THANK YOU AGAIN FOR THIS BEAUTY COUNTY, ALL OF OUR PEOPLE THAT LIVE HERE. I PRAY YOU WILL BRING EVERYONE SAFE HOME TONIGHT, AMEN. 
          >> ALL RIGHT. OUR VETERAN LED PLEDGE THIS AFTERNOON IS MASTER CHIEF PETTY OFFICER FIRST CLASS RUBIONO. RETIRED US NAVY MASTER-AT-ARMS PETTY OFFICER FIRST CLASS (SW) CRAIG PETTY OFFICER CRAIG PIERCE SERVED IN THE US AIR FORCE FROM 1987 TO  O 1993 AND SERVED IN THE US NAVY FROM 2001 TO 2015 FOR A TOTAL OF 25 YEARS OF SERVICE TO OUR COUNTRY BEFORE RETIRING IN OCTOBER 2015. SERVING IN US LOCATIONS, INCLUDING SOUTH DAKOTA, CALIFORNIA, AND FLORIDA, AND HIS OVERSEAS ASSIGNMENTS INCLUDED WEST GERMANY, SAUDI ARABIA, YEMEN, IRAQ, CUBA, THE PHILIPPINES, AND GUAM. PETTY OFFICER PIERCE IS A DECORATED VETERAN WHO HOLDS AWARDS, INCLUDING THE BRONZE STAR, THE NAVY COMMENDATION MEDAL, THE AIR FORCE WORKING ON SUBMARINES WHILE STATIONED AT THE MARIANA ISLANDS. MASTER CHIEF SAY DECORATED VETERAN HONORED, AN ORANGE PARK RESIDENT AND VOLUNTEERS WITH THE KNIGHTS OF COLUMBUS. THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE TO OUR NATION AND TO OUR COMMUNITY. IF YOU WILL JOIN US AND LEAD US IN THE PLEDGE AND THEN THEY WILL LET YOU HAVE THE MICROPHONE FOR A FEW WORDS IF YOU WOULD LIKE. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, WITH LIBERTY AND 
          JUSTICE FOR ALL -- [INAUDIBLE] >> DO YOU WANT TO SAY A FEW 
          WORDS? >> IT IS AN HONOR, THANK YOU FOR HAVING THIS HONOR. I KNOW THERE ARE A LOT OF VETERANS HERE. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE, ALSO. MY FAMILY IS HERE. MY GRANDSON, MY DAUGHTER, JENNY. THIS IS REALLY AN HONOR FOR ME AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          [CALL TO ORDER]
          . >>> I WILL NOW CALL TO ORDER THE 
          [PET ADOPTIONS]
COUNTY COMMISSIONER'S MEETING. ALL COMMISSIONERS ARE RES PRESS SENT. WE WILL MOVE INTO PET ADOPTIONS. OUR FIRST DOG IS LEO, WAYS -- IS MOJO. HE IS MORE OF A GET TO KNOW YOU SLOWLY KIND OF 
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GUY. HE IS SHY AT FIRST, HAND HIM A STUFFY, A TOY, GIVE HIM SPACE AND BOOM YOU UNLOCKED PLAY MODE. HE IS SWEET, MELLOW, WALKED GREAT ON A LEASH AND HE IS A CUDDLE BUG ONCE HE TRUSTS YOU. HE LOVES OTHER DOGS, ESPECIALLY THE CHILL OR SLIGHTLY SASSY ONES AND REALLY WANTS A BUDDY. HUMAN OR K-9 TO HELP HIM COME OUT OF HIS SHELL. ADOPT HIM IF YOU LIKE DOGS WITH MYSTERY, AWKWARD AND SQUEAKY DOG ENTHUSIASM. NEXT DOG, NINE MONTHS OLD, WEIGHS 34 POUNDS AND HEART WARM NEGATIVE. THIS NINE MONTH OLD PUP IS ABOUT A NEW LIFE, PLAYING WITH TOYS AND MAKING NEW FRIENDS, SHE CAME WITH A DOGGIE BUDDY AND HAS BEEN A ROCK STAR. SHE MIGHT BE SHY WHEN SHE FIRST MEETS YOU BUT GIVE HER A MINUTE AND SHE IS ALL TAIL WAGS AND PUPPY KISSES. SHE IS READY TO BRING SERIOUS JOY AND A LITTLE BIT OF MISCHIEF TO HER FOREVER HOME. IF YOU ARE LOOKING FOR A FUN, LIFABLE 
          SIDEKICK SHE IS YOUR GIRL. >>> OUR FIRST CAT IS SKULLY. 
          NEUTERED MALE, DOMESTIC SHORT HAIR, FIVE MONTHS OLD, 11 POUNDS, SAY HELLO. SHY AT FIRST. ONCE HE WARMS UP HE IS ALL ABOUT THE SNUGGLES. THIS SWEET GUY LOVES BEING PET IF YOU STOP HE WILL NUDGE YOUR HAND TO NOT QUIT NOW. PERFECT MIX OF FUN AND CUDDLY. IF YOU ARE LOOKING FOR A LOYAL, LOW-KEY BUDDY, SKULLY CAN YOUR MATCH. LAST, WE HAVE DOMESTIC MALE, SHORT HAPPEN, FIVE MONTHS OLD, 15 POUNDS, 15 POUNDS OF CHARM, A GORGEOUS BLACK CAT. HE IS A TOTAL PACKAGE. GREAT WITH CAT-FRIENDLY DOGS, GENTLE WITH KIDS AND COOL WITH OTHER CATS. HE IS LAID-BACK, LITTER BOX TRAINED. AND PASSED ALL OF THAT CHAOTIC KITTEN ENERGY. THINK DISTINGUISHED GENTLEMAN WITH A PLAYFUL STREAK. CAME TO US AS AN OWNER SURRENDER WITH HIS SISTER, MAPLE, THEY DON'T HAVE TO BE ADOPTED FURTHER WE WILL GIVE YOU BONUS POINTS IF YOU TAKE THE DUO HOME. LOOKING FOR A CHILL, AFFECTIONATE AND AMAZING CAT, READY TO MOVE IN AND TAKE OVER YOUR COUCH AND YOUR HEART. READY TO MEET YOUR NEW BEST FRIEND, OUR ADOPTABLE ANIMALS ARE WAITING TO ADD LOVE AND FUN TO YOUR LIFE. FROM WAGGING TAILS TO PURYING KITTIES, WE HAVE THE RIGHT ONE FOR YOU. IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS DROP US A LINE AT CLAYCOUNTYGOV.COM/ADOPT. THE PICTURE IS CADDY LOOKING FOR A FOSTER HOME WHILE SHE COMPLETES HEART WORM TREATMENT. AND LASTLY, INTERESTED IN HELPING OUR FURRY FRIENDS BUT CAN NOT BRING ONE HOME, TAKE A LOOK AT OUR AMAZON WISH LIST, WE ARE IN NEED OF ANIMALS, ITEMS FOR THE SHELTER ITEM. GO TO AMAZON.COM 
          [CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICERS]
AND THAT COMPLETES OUR PET ADOPTIONS. 
          >> THANK YOU. >>> ALL RIGHT, CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICERS, WE HAVE OUR SHERIFF'S THIS AFTERNOON SHERIFF, DO YOU 
          HAVE ANYTHING FOR US? >> NO, MA'AM. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE WITH TODAY WITH A NUMBER OF YOUR COMMAND STAFF. WE APPRECIATE ALL OF YOU VERY MUCH FOR BEING HERE. AND THEN WE HAVE OUR CLERK OF THE COURT, DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING? 
          >> TWO SHORT THINGS, ONE, IF YOU ARE NOT AWARE THIS PAST SESSION, THIS PAST WEEK THE VAB PETITION FEE WAS INCREASED TO A MAX OF $50. WE COMMUNICATED TO COURT FLEE. THAT WILL BE TAKEN UP TO ADDRESS IF THE FEE WILL GO UP AND WHAT KIND OF STRUCTURE. AND THEN THE SECOND THING IS THE FOURTH CIRCUIT, PARTICULARLY CLAY WAS FUNDED FOR AN ADDITIONAL COUNTY JUDGE AS WELL AS TWO CIRCUIT JUDGES, WE BELIEVE ONE WILL END UP IN NASSAU AND ONE WILL END UP IN CLAY COUNTY. THE CLERK'S OFFICES WERE NOT EQUALLY FUNDED. THERE IS A LOT OF CONVERSATION GOING ON AROUND THE STATE AROUND HOW THAT IS GOING TO SUPPORT THOSE ADDITIONAL JUDGES, MORE TO COME ON THAT. 
          >> THANK YOU, KEEP US POSTED. I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH THE JUDGE AND HE TALKED TO THE COUNTY AS WELL. 
          >> AND THE SHERIFF WE TALKED ABOUT HER STAFFING AT THE WORKSHOP. WE WANT TO STAY ON TOP OF THAT, KEEP US POSTED PLEASE. 
          [00:10:04]
          >> OKAY. >> MADAM CHAIR DO YOU WANT TO MENTION SOMETHING ABOUT THE FRAUD ALERT THAT YOU SENT OUT INVOLVING THE CLERKS, THEY MAY BE SIGNIFICANT FOR THE COMMUNITY 
          AND OR INTERNALLY. >> REALLY FOR GOVERNMENT OFFICERS THAT USE MYFLORIDA.COM, IT IS ACTUALLY A CLERK TECHNOLOGY-RAN MERCHANDISE SERVICE OPERATING AND POPULAR ACROSS THE STATE. THEY WERE HIT WITH A FAKE WEBSITE CALLED PAYFLORIDACLERK.COM WHERE THEY ARE REDIRECTING PEOPLE THERE TO MAKE PAYMENTS INSTEAD OF MYFLORIDACOUNTY. IT IS ALSO FOR CONSTITUENTS, TOO. IF YOU ARE THINK YOU ARE USED TO CLICKING ON A WEBSITE TO PAY NOW, ANY OF THEM, A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT AGENCIES USE AND SOME SOME IN THE COUNTY THAT WILL BE OKAY. IF YOU CLICK ON ANYTHING ELSE OTHERS MORE THAN LIKELY IT WILL BE COMPROMISE AND REDIRECTED TO THAT WEBSITE. SO, IT IS JUST ANOTHER ONE DOVE TAILS OFF OF WHAT I REPORTED LAST TIME. 
          >> AND ULTIMATELY IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, CALL A KNOWN OFFICER NUMBER, NOT THE ONE THAT SENDS TEXT THAT THEY SEND YOU. 
          >> CORRECT. >> AND PRETTY SAFE GOING OFF OF THE GOVERNMENT WEBSITE LINKS. THOSE ARE SECURE AND SAFE, TYPICALLY. IT IS IF SOMEONE REACHES OUT TO YOU TO INITIATE A PAYMENT, THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT I WOULD QUESTION. 
          >> OKAY. AND IT IS CASH. >> WE HAVE A NEW LEGAL TENDER. 
          >> THESE FOLKS GET INVOLVED IF THEY STEAL THE CASH OUT OF YOUR HAND. STILL IF THERE IS FRAUD BUT A LOT OF THE PEOPLE GET SCAMMED NEVER SEE THEIR MONEY AGAIN. ANY WAY. ANYONE ELSE? 
          [APPROVAL OF MINUTES]
          >> ALL RIGHT. WE ARE AT APPROVAL OF MINUTES. I WOULD LIKE TO 
          APPROVE THE MEETING MINUTES. >> I WILL SECOND. 
          >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL OF 
          [PUBLIC COMMENTS]
THOSE IN FAVOR, THOSE OPPOSED. MOTION CARRIES 5-0. WE ARE AT OUR FIRST PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD. THIS PORTION IS TO BRING MATTERS TO THE BOARD. AT THIS TIME NO DEBATE OR ANSWER QUESTIONS. YOU CAN EMAIL YOUR QUESTIONS TO ASKCLAY@CLAYCOUNTYGOV.COM AND STAFF WILL ADDRESS YOUR QUESTIONS OR YOU MAY EMAIL YOUR DISTRICT COMMISSIONER OR ALL OF THE COMMISSIONERS. PUBLIC COMMENT CARDS ARE PLACED AT THE MEETING ROOM ENTRANCE AND SHOULD BE SUBMITTED TO THE CLERK ON THE FAR LEFT YOU ARE LIMITED. NOW, I WOULD OPEN THE FIRST PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD AT TODAY'S MEETING, I DO HAVE ONE CARD IT IS FROM ANN BURKE COME ON UP. 
          >> CAN YOU MAKE SURE THE MIC IS ON? 
          >> THERE WE GO. SORRY TO INTERRUPT YOU. 
          >> IT RUNS NORTH TO SOUTH, BASICALLY PARALLEL TO BLINDING AND IN BETWEEN 17 AND BLINDING. IT IS QUITE BUSY, ESPECIALLY WITH 220 BEING SHUTDOWN JUST NOW. IT ALSO GOES FROM 17 TO IT. 
          MOODY AVENUE, RUNNING NORTH AND SOUTH. THERE ARE SUBDIVISIONS ON EACH SIDE OF IT. MOSTLY ON THE EAST SIDE. ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE ROAD THERE IS A PLAY PARK. THERE IS THE YMCA. ROUGHLY FOR 1 
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1/2 MILES, THERE ARE NO PEDESTRIAN CROSSWALKS AT ALL. 
          THERE IS A CROSSWALK. THE CHILDREN ARE ON VACATION. I SEE THEM DASHING ACROSS TO GO TO THE PARK. MOSTLY TO THE PARK. EVEN DURING SCHOOLTIMES SOME OF THE CHILDREN HAVE TO CROSS MOODY TO GO ON THE ONE SIDEWALK. SO MY REQUEST IS THAT WE GET AT LEAST A COUPLE OF CROSS WALKS ON MOODY NEAR THE PARK AND NEAR THE YMCA. 
          NOW, THE SECOND REQUEST THAT I HAVE IS BE SIDE THE PARK THERE IS A BOX COLVERT, FOR A CREEK TO GO UNDER THE ROAD. THERE WAS A SIMILAR ONE THAT LAST YEAR THAT FAILED AND WAS REPAIRED AND NICELY DONE WITH A GUARDRAIL. THEY DROP FROM THE ROAD DOWN TO THE CREEK. IT IS ABOUT 12-15 FEET. NOW, THERE IS NO GUARDRAIL 
          -- SORRY. >> YOUR TIME IS UP. CAN YOU WRAP 
          UP YOUR COMMENTS. >> I REQUEST A GUARDRAIL AT THE 
          COLVERT NEXT TO THE MOODY PARK. >> THANK YOU, NICE TO MEET YOU. 
          WE APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING YOUR CONCERNS TO US. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK AT OUR FIRST PUBLIC COMMENT THIS 
          AFTERNOON? >> ALL RIGHT, SEEING NONE. I WILL CLOSE THE FIRST PUBLIC COMMENT AND COME BACK TO OUR 
          [CONSENT AGENDA]
AGENDA. WE ARE AT OUR CONSENT AGENDA. ARE THERE ANY ITEMS THAT ANY COMMISSIONERS WOULD LIKE TO PULL FOR DISCUSSION? 
          >> I WOULD LIKE TO PULL 3 AND 5. >> OKAY. 
          >> COMMISSIONER RENNINGER PULLED 3 AND 5. 
          >> STAFF WOULD REQUEST ITEM 7 WILL BE PULLED AND REFERRED TO A 
          LATER AGENDA. >> OKAY. 
          >> ANYTHING ELSE? ALL RIGHT, A MOTION MINUS 3, 5 AND 7. 
          >> I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA. 
          >> MOTION. >> SECOND. 
          >> ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? >> HEARING NONE, ALL OF THOSE IN 
          [3.  RFP No. 24/25-063, Tourism Sports Sales and Development (RE-BID)]
FAVOR INDICATE. OPPOSED? CARRIES, 5-0. WE ARE AT ITEM 
          NUMBER 3. COMMISSIONER? >> THANK YOU. I PULLED NUMBER 3, I WAS HOPING SOMEONE FROM AIRSTREAM VENTURES WOULD BE HERE. BUT, THE PARTNER WHO HAD THE CONTRACT PREVIOUSLY WAS LESS THAN SMOOTH. IT WAS PRETTY ROUGH DEPARTURE. AND, AND THESE TYPE OF EVENTS ARE BUILT ON RELATIONSHIPS. I WAS HOPING TO GET A COMMENT ABOUT IF THE RELATIONSHIP WITH ATHLETIC ASSOCIATION. AND HOW THEY INTEND TO REPAIR THINGS, I AM SEEING JUSTIN IS WALKING UP AND CLOSER TO THE MICROPHONE AND MAYBE KAREN, MAYBE YOU CAN COMMENT ON THAT OR SOMEBODY CAN COMMENT ON 
          THAT. >>> GOOD AFTERNOON, PARKS AND REC, YES, SIR, WE HAD THAT CONVERSATION, THAT WOULD BE A QUESTION FOR THE VENDOR TO ANSWER. WE DID HAVE SOME COMMUNICATION ABOUT SOME OPPORTUNITIES THAT WERE NOT PUT TOGETHER FOR A DEPOSIT DOWN AND SECURING A VENUE, THERE WERE TWO OR THREE EVENTS DISCUSSED THAT DID NOT MAKE IT PASSED THE 
          CONVERSATION POINT, SIR. >> DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO ADD? 
          >> NOT SPECIFICALLY RELATED TO THE RELATIONSHIP. I KNOW BOTH COMPANIES AND THEIR PROPOSAL MENTION THEIR CONNECTIONS WITH THESE DIFFERENT COMMISSIONS, I THINK THEY HAVE RELATIONSHIPS, STILL. I KNOW THERE WERE TWO RECENT CONFERENCES ALREADY THIS 
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YEAR. I KNOW THEY STILL HAVE THEIR RELATIONSHIPS, CONNECTIONS, WHAT THEY CAN BRING BACK TO CLAY COUNTY, IMMEDIATELY, I CAN NOT ANSWER FOR THEM. THE OTHER THING THAT I WANT TO MAKE MENTION OF. I ASSUME THEY ARE GOING TO GO TO CONTRACT. SO, YOU KNOW, JUST, YOU KNOW, I, I WORRY NOT, I WORRY IT LIKE I SAID IT WAS LESS THAN OPTIMAL. IT WAS LESS THAN OPTIONAL WHEN THEY LEFT ME. I JUST WOULD LIKE, WANTED TO HEAR THEIR SIDE OF THE STORY. I GUESS I WILL NOT HEAR IT. ANY OTHER? 
          >> NO? >> THAT IS THE ONLY QUESTIONS 
          THAT I HAD. >> OKAY. I ECHO YOUR SENTIMENT. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM THEM AND I, TOO, WAS HOPING THAT THEY WOULD BE HERE TO DISCUSS THEIR DEPARTURE. AND, WE DON'T HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY. IF, IF IT IS THE PLEASURE OF THE BOARD I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A PROPOSAL FROM BOTH THE TOP TWO, THE TOP TWO FOR -- I WOULD HOPE THAT THE NEXT MEETING WOULD BE ENOUGH TIME. I AM NOT SURE. I DEFER TO YOU MADAM CHAIR. 
          >> WHERE IS THE TENOR OF THE BOARD? PRESENTATIONS? 
          >> MADAM CHAIR, IF I MAY, FOR ME, AT THE END OF THE DAY IT IS BUSINESS. THERE IS MY PERSPECTIVE. WHEN YOU LOSE A CONTRACT. NOT SPEAKING FOR AIRSTREAM VENTURES. AND THIS IS SO TO SPEAK. SO, BASED ON THE REPUTATION. AND NOT JUST IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA ACROSS THE NATION AND THEY WILL RESIGN A CONTRACT, I HAVE NO DOUBT BUSINESS WILL COME BACK TO CLAY COUNTY. AS FAR AS PRESENTATIONS, I PERSONALLY AM NOT PALLABLE TO THAT, THE NUMBER 2 COMPAY IS 42.5% MORE EXPENSIVE WHICH I AM NOT WILLING TO SUPPORT FROM A COST PERSPECTIVE AND KNOWING THE BUDGET. AT THIS POINT I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD. WE HAD TO GO ALL OF THE WAY BACK THROUGH THE RPF ON THIS AND GO ONLINE 
          >> CAN YOU WEIGH IN ON THE FIGURES THAT ARE REFLECTED? I THINK MY CONCERN IS ALSO ABOUT THE DIFFERENCE IN COST. THOSE FIGURES AS I UNDERSTAND IT ARE STILL NYING NEGOTIABLE. 
          >> YES. YOU WILL DO FINAL NEGOTIATIONS WHEN YOU BRING THE CONTRACT BACK. THE WAY WE STRUCTURED IT, THEY, WE ASKED FOR SPECIFIC PRICING WHICH THEY GAVE US. I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH ROOM THERE IS TO NEGOTIATE WITH THAT. BUT CERTAINLY YOU HAVE SEEN THAT WITH THE LAST CONTRACT. WE BROUGHT IT BACK WITH A FEW CHANGES RATHER THAN WHAT WAS IN THE R&P. AGAIN, WE, THE WAY IT WAS STRUCTURED NOT SURE HOW MUCH ROOM THERE IS TO 
          NEGOTIATE THE PRICING. >> HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT 
          PRESENTATIONS? >> I AM NOT INTERESTED IN A PRESENTATION. I WOULD NOT AGREE WITH THE COST FOR THE SECOND ONE. NOT A REASON TO HEAR FROM THEM, PERSONALLY. I WOULD NOT THINK THERE IS A REASON FOR THAT. 
          >> MY ONLY CONCERN WAS WITH THE DEPARTURE AND HOW THEY ARE GOING TO RESURRECT OR MAKE THEM AWARE, WHICH THEY ARE AWARE BUT EMPHASIZE THE PRODUCTION AND THEN THE NEW METRICS THAT ARE IN THIS CONTRACT. I AM WILLING TO GO FORWARD WITH AIRSTREAM, BUT I WILL BE WATCHING . IS THERE AN EXIT CLAUSE? PERFORMANCE EXIT 
          PROVISION? >> THAT WILL ULTIMATELY BE IN THE CONTRACT, IN OUR CONTRACT, I THINK IT WAS IN THE RFP PROVIDED 
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          FOR A PERFORMANCE EXIT. >> AT WILL? 
          >> WELL, WE IN OUR CONTRACTS THE COUNTY ALWAYS INCLUDES A TERMINATION FOR CONVENIENCE AS WELL WITH A 30-DAY NOTICE. 
          >> OKAY. OKAY. I AM SATISFIED WITH THAT. 
          >> DOES NOT SOUND LIKE THERE IS SUPPORT FOR PRESENTATIONS. 
          >> JUST AS A POINT OF CLARIFICATION, I THINK THAT IF THE -- IF THE ASK WAS TO HEAR FROM THEM DIRECTLY, MAYBE I CAN BE EDUCATED ON ANOTHER VENUE IN WHICH WE WOULD BE ABLE TO GET THESE CONCERNS ADDRESSED IF IT IS NOT A MONETARY CONCERN THAT WE HAVE THEN IF THEY DO PRESENT TO GIVE US CAUSE. I'M THINKING BIG PICTURE. THERE WERE A NUMBER OF REASONS WE DID NOT GO WITH AIRSTREAM VENTURES AND WE SAW WHAT HAPPENED. WITH ME I AM HAPPY TO MOVE WITH AS A COLLECTIVE ON THIS. BUT, I HAVE SERIOUS RESERVATIONS THAT ARE NOT GOING TO BE ANSWERED. AND IT SPEAKS TO THE NATURE OF THE RELATIONSHIP. BUT I AM, I THINK MY POSITION SO LONG AS IT IS REFLECTED THAT IS MY OBJECTION HERE I THINK THAT YOU GOT YOUR FOUR. WE JUST DO NOT HAVE A MECHANISM TO ENFORCE THE CONCERNS THAT WE HAVE OTHER THAN A CLAW-BACK PROVISION. SO, I AM COMFORTABLE WITH HAVING MADE MY PEACE ABOUT IT AND AIRED THAT OUT PUBLICLY. 
          >> WE WILL VOTE ON THE CONTRACT. IS THERE A WAY THAT WE CAN . 
          >> YES, MA'AM. THE FIRST WAS THE COUNTY MAJORITY SIGNING IT TO KEEP IT MOVING BUT TALKING WITH THE COUNTY MANAGER WE WOULD PULL IT BACK FROM THE REQUEST ON THE AGENDA AND BRING IT TO THE BOARD AND ASK THEM TO BE HERE AT THAT TIME. 
          >> THAT IS PERFECT. WE CAN HAVE A VIOLATION 
          >> AND WE DO NOT VIOLATE IT. >> NO COMMISSIONER VIOLATED THE QUIET PERIOD NOR DID ANY OF THE BIDDERS, I GUESS I SHOULD SAY, COMPANIES. SO, THAT IS GOOD NEWS. SO, I THINK THAT . 
          >> I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. >> AND YOUR MOTION WOULD BE JUST 
          TO APPROVE A. ON THAT ITEM? >> YES, JUST A., NOT B. 
          >> MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE STAFF'S RANKING AND PROPOSALS AND BRING IT BACK FOR APPROVAL AT THE NEXT MEETING. 
          >> BRING THE AGREEMENT BACK. >> BRING THE AGREEMENT BACK AT 
          THE NEXT MEETING. >> I WILL SECOND. 
          >> A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL OF THOSE IN FAVOR INDICATE, THOSE OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES, 5-0. 
          >> MADAM CHAIR, POINT OF CLARIFICATION, THE CONTRACT NEGOTIATION WILL HAPPEN NEXT MEETING, CORRECT? 
          >> WE WILL MAKE THAT HAPPEN, YES, SIR. 
          [5.  Agreement for Clinical Services with Command Counseling Center LLC (D. Motes)]
          >> YOU ROCK. >> WITH THE HOLIDAY IN BETWEEN. 
          >> GREAT. >> ALL RIGHT. ITEM NUMBER 5, AGREEMENT FOR CLINICAL SERVICES WITH COMMAND COUNSELING CENTER. 
          >> I HAVE WITH ME THE PRESIDENT OF COMMAND COUNSELING. 
          >> OKAY. COMMISSIONER? >> I PULLED THIS FOR A COUPLE OF REASONS. ONE IS THE ONE IS THE COST ESCALATION AND IT IS DUE TO SERVICE INCREASE AS WELL. BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY I WANTED TO UNDERSTAND WHY THE REASON FOR THE INCREASE OF SERVICE THAT WE ARE ASKING FOR. I SPOKE WITH YOU AN HOUR AGO AND I ASKED HER TO BE AT THE MEETING TO EXPLAIN IT TO THE WHOLE COMMISSION. WHERE DO WE STAND WITH FIRE SERVICE AND THE BENEFIT OF HAVING THIS COUNSELING SERVICE AND THE ULTIMATE GOAL OF THIS COUNSELING SERVICE FOR OUR FIREFIGHTERS, SO. . 
          >> OKAY, I WILL OPEN UP. I WILL LEAVE THE DETAILS TO HER. SHE 
          WILL BE THE BEST. >> YOU WOULD NEVER BE ABLE TO 
          EXPLAIN THIS. >> YOU MAY BE SURPRISED. 
          LAUGHTER ] >> BUT I WILL TAKE YOU BACK. WE ARE AT THE END OF THE THIRD YEAR OF AN AGREEMENT. WHEN WE WENT INTO THIS AGREEMENT BACK IN 2021, LATE 2020, WE WERE SITTING AT 190 PERSONNEL. WE ARE SITTING AT ABOUT 300 PERONNEL. 
          OBVIOUSLY WITH THE INTENT TO CONTINUE TO TAKE IT FORWARD OVER THE NEXT THREE YEARS. SO, BOTTOM LINE, YOU HAVE A VOLUME ISSUE. 
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NOT TO MENTION THE SUCCESS OF THE PROGRAM. I WILL NOT PUT THE UNION PRESIDENT ON THE SPOT WHICH IS SITTING BACK THERE IN THE BACK, BUT I DO KNOW HE IS A SUPPORTER OF THE MEMBERS AND WE HAVE SEEN A CONTINUING USE OF THE PROGRAM. I WILL LET MARIA 
          EXPLAIN THAT TO YOU. >> HI, GOOD AFTERNOON. FOUNDER OF COMMAND COUNSELING CENTER. AND I BELIEVE THAT THE INCREASE IN USAGE IS SOMETHING THAT WE SEE THROUGHOUT THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS THAT WE SERVICE. IT IS WHAT WE WANT TO SEE. WE ARE ELIMINATING STIGMA SO THAT THEY ARE GETTING HELP. AND, MOVING TOWARDS A PREVENTIVE DEPARTMENT AS OPPOSED TO A REACTIVE 
          DEPARTMENT. >> I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE, WHICH I DID NOT KNOW PRIOR TO OUR LITTLE MEETING, ALTHOUGH WE CONTRACTED FOR 500 SESSIONS WE DID NOT PERFORM 500 SESSIONS, 
          WE PERFORMED . >> 815. 
          >> 815. SO, ON THE CONTRACT FOR 500 WE HAD 815 SESSIONS FOR OUR FIREFIGHTERS. SO, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU LOOK AT A CONTRACT FOR INCREASE IN THE CONTRACT FROM 500 TO 900, I AM HOPING THAT IS 
          ENOUGH, ACTUALLY. >> THE REASON FOR THAT INCREASE, AS WELL, IT IS BECAUSE HOW WE CHANGE OR REDUCE THE STIGMA AND START CHANGING CULTURE IS BY OUR CONSTANT VISITATIONS TO THE FIRE STATIONS EVERY MONTH THEY HAVE TO GO TO THE FIRE STATIONS. WE GET INVITED TO DINNER. YOU KNOW, IT BECOMES A SOURCE FOR JUST TALKING ABOUT ANYTHING THAT MAYBE GOING ON IN THEIR FAMILY, INFORMALLY, OR TO THE POINT WHERE, YOU KNOW, THAT BEHAVIOR HEALTH WILL SAY YOU NEED TO SEEK MORE HELP AND THESE ARE OUR 
          THERAPISTS. >> SO, MY ASSESSMENT IN THE LAST HOUR IS COMMAND COUNSELING IS THE REAL MCCOY, THEY ARE DOING GREAT THINGS FOR OUR FIREFIGHTERS. AND MARIA IS CERTAINLY, HER HEART IS IN IT AND I THINK WE ARE GOING TO SEE GOOD PROGRESS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR IT. 
          >> THANK YOU FOR HEARING ME OUT >> ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MARIA FROM ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS? THANK YOU FOR ALL YOU DO. WE REALLY APPRECIATE IT. WE APPRECIATE OUR FIREFIGHTERS AND OUR RELATIONSHIP WITH THE FIREFIGHTERS UNION. 
          >> ABSOLUTELY. I HOPE TO BE PUT OUT OF BUSINESS. 
          >> THAT WOULD BE GREAT. THE UNFORTUNATE THING IS, YOU KNOW, I HAVE COMMISSIONER COMMENTS LATER TO THANK CCSO, RESPONDED TO A VERY SERIOUS ISSUE IN MY DISTRICT OVER I THINK OVER THE WEEKEND. MY DAYS HAVE BEEN RUNNING TOGETHER. BUT, YOU KNOW, UNFORTUNATELY THESE FOLKS ARE WHO WE SEE ON THE WORST DAYS OF OUR LIVES AND THE FACT THAT THEY ARE THERE FOR US AND THEIR STRENGTH THAT WE HAVE, OBVIOUSLY AT SOME POINT BREAKS THEM, THEY ARE HUMANS, WE WANT TO HAVE THAT HELP. THANK YOU. 
          >> YOU ARE WELCOME. >>> I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. 
          >> I WILL MOVE APPROVAL OF THE AGREEMENT WITH CLINICAL SERVICES WITH COMMAND COUNSELING CENTER LLC AND APPROVE QUARTERLY PAYMENTS AND APPROVE AS A SOLE SOURCE PROVIDER. 
          >> A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL OF THOSE IN FAVOR. THOSE OPPOSED. 
          MOTION CARRIES, 5-0. ITEM NUMBER 7 IS PULLED TO A FUTURE MEETING. 
          [9.  Items from the June 17, 2025 Workshop (T. Nagle)]
NOT ENTERTAINING ITEM 7. WE ARE AT 4:35. WE WILL MOVE INTO NEW BUSINESS, ITEM NUMBER 9. ITEMS FROM THE BUDGET WORKSHOP FROM 
          JUNE 25TH. >> GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS. 
          YOU ALL RECEIVED THREE DOCUMENTS ON YOUR DES. I THINK WE TALKED THROUGH A COUPLE OF THEM. BEFORE THAT, I THINK -- 
          >> JUST AS THIS PROCESS IS FLUID AND DYNAMIC, JUST SPOKE A MATTER OF AN HOUR, HOUR AND A HALF AGO TO TRACY DRAKE, OUR PROPERTY ADVISORY. THE FINAL ANALYSIS WITHIN THE PROPERTY VALUES WILL BE FINALIZED JULY 1ST. HE GAVE ME REALLY GOOD NEWS INSTEAD OF 
          6.6% IT IS 7.9. >> WOW! 
          >> HE WILL MAKE AN ANNOUNCEMENT, OFFICIAL ONE TOMORROW. THAT 
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DOLLAR AMOUNT IS APPROXIMATELY $2 MILLION TROY AND I CALCULATED 
          OUT. >> NOT EXTRA, TO CLOSE THE GAP. 
          >> GETTING CLOSER. JUST, JUST TO KEEP THAT IN MIND. SOME OF THE NUMBERS THAT WE HAVE BEEN DISCUSSING WITH EACH OF YOU INDIVIDUALLY AND BASED UPON YOUR INPUTS TO TROY. THAT HELPS US 
          OUT. >> THANK YOU. 
          >> THREE DOCUMENTS, THREE THINGS THAT CAME BACK OUT OF THE LAST WORKSHOP. THE FIRST ONE WOULD BE REVISIONS TO THE BUDGET POLICY. 
          YOU ALL SHOULD OF RECEIVED A COPY OF THE BUDGET POLICY. THIS IS REVISING WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT WITH INSURANCE RATES. SO, THE CHANGE ON PAGE 2, WHAT WE WOULD RECOMMEND IS CHANGING THE VERBAGE TO VERBIAGE, WE HAVE AN ACT INSURANCE COST IS, IT IS HANDLED BY THEM TO TELL US WHAT THE AVERAGE IS. HUMAN RESOURCES FOR CLARITY THERE. SO, IF YOU AGREE TO THIS CHANGE WHAT WILL HAPPEN IS WE WILL BRING A RESOLUTION BACK, MAKE SURE I USE THE RIGHT WORD. RESOLUTION BACK TO CODIFIY THIS CHANGE. IT IS AN ADOPTED BOARD BUDGET POLICY THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE AMENDED. 
          >> THIS WAS A CHANGE FROM A MAXIMUM. THE CURRENT IS ALL FULL TIME VACANT POSITIONS ARE BUDGETED WITH THE HIGHEST COST TO THE COUNTY FOR INSURANCE LIABILITY. INSTEAD OF THE HIGHEST COST, THIS YEAR IT IS THE FAMILY, ONE OF THEM, IT WOULD GO TO THE AVERAGE THAT IS THE AVERAGE COST FOR THE COUNTY FOR INSURANCE. IT DOES HAVE A SIGNIFICANT REDUCTION. 
          >> THANK YOU. >> WOULD YOU APPLY THAT ACROSS? WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT IT AT THE WORKSHOP WE TALKED ABOUT IT WITH THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, ARE YOU GOING TO APPLY IT TO ALL? 
          >> YES, YOUR NEW POLICY FROM THE BOARD, ALL VACANT POSITIONS, NOT ONLY SHERIFF BUT SUPERVISOR, CLERK, YOUR COUNTY POSITIONS 
          ACROSS THE ENTIRE BUDGET. >> IT MAKES SENSE TO ME. DO YOU HAVE ANY SENSE OF HOW OTHER COUNTIES ARE DOING THIS? OR DID THE BAILEY GROUP GIVE US SOME INDICATION? 
          >> OTHER COUNTIES ARE DOING WHAT WE HAVE BEEN DOING HISTORICALLY. 
          THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT FOR COVERAGE. IN TALKING TO BAILEY THAT IS WHY YOU HAVE AN ACTUARY, THAT IS WHY YOU HAVE THAT. THEY GIVE IT COST FOR MEMBER IS. SO, WE ARE, I THINK WE CAN GO TO THAT NUMBER IF THE YEAR GOES THROUGH AND WE SEE IT IS HAVING AN IMPACT ON THE TRUST FUND WE WILL COME BACK AND TELL YOU IT IS HAVING AN 
          IMPACT ON THE TRUST FUND. >> SURE. 
          >> SO YOU HAVE NOT TOTALED IT RIGHT NOW, ANY IDEA? 
          >> BETWEEN $1.8 AND $2 MILLION, CONSERVATIVELY. 
          >> THAT PLUS THE $2 MILLION? >> YES, MA'AM. 
          >> IT SEEMS TO BE LOGICAL TO ME, YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY, YOU WOULD LIKE TO BE FULLY STAFFED. I KNOW THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE AND FIRE DEPARTMENT WOULD LIKE TO BE STAFFED BUT FEWER AND FEWER OF THE YOUNGER GENERATIONS ARE NOT CHANGING JOBS IT IS NOT A BIG DEAL TO THEM. I THINK THAT IT IS PROBABLY MORE REALISTIC FOR US TO CONSIDER THAT WE PROBABLY WILL NOT ALWAYS BE FULLY STAFFED. CERTAINLY WHEN YOU START THE YEAR YOU ARE NOT GOING 
          TO BE . >> YOU ARE CORRECT. NOT FULLY STAFFED AT ANY GIVEN POINT. YOU ARE NEVER, WE WOULD ALL LOVE TO BE 100% STAFFED. BUT, REALISTICALLY NONE OF US ARE 
          GOING TO BE 100% STAFFED. >> WE LIVE IN A MILITARY COMMUNITY. PEOPLE MOVE. YU KNOW, I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH SOME OF THE SCHOOL BOARD MEMBERS LAST WEEK AND THEY WERE ABLE TO FILL LIKE, THEY DID NOT HAVE TO CUT POSITIONS BECAUSE THEY HAD ENOUGH PEOPLE LEAVING AND MOVING TO OTHER JOBS AND THAT KIND OF THING. I THINK THAT HAPPENS IN GOVERNMENT JOBS. SO, WE NEED TO 
          VOTE ON THAT? >> I JUST NEED FUTURE BOARD ACTIONS, ORDINANCE OR RESOLUTIONS, REALLY, TODAY, BEFORE WE SPEND TIME ON STAFF AND LEGAL WRITING THE RESOLUTION AND CHANGING IT, JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THERE IS BOARD CONSENSUS THIS IS THE LANGUAGE YOU WANT TO SEE. IF IT IS SOMETHING DIFFERENT, LET US KNOW. ONE COMMISSIONER PUT OUT THE IDEA OF MAYBE YOU ADD 5% TO IT. AND I GUESS I AM, IF THIS IS GOOD LANGUAGE WE WILL WORK ON THE RESOLUTION, IF YOU WANT SOMETHING CHANGED WE WILL CHANGE IT AND BRING IT BACK. 
          >> I JUST HAVE A COMMENT. THAT IS THE PAST POLICY WITH MAX 
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RATE. THERE WAS NO RISK IN THAT NUMBER. THERE IS NOW A RISK BUT A CALCULATED RISK. SO I THINK IT IS REASONABLE WAY TO APPROACH THIS FROM DATA-SUPPORTED RISKS. WE WOULD BE ABLE TO FUND THE POSITIONS IN WE FILL THE POSITIONS WITH THE AVERAGE. 
          >> AND IT IS NOT SMOGD ANY STAFF IN THE COUNTY DECIDING WHAT THAT NUMBER IS. IT IS BASED ON THE WHAT YOU PAID FOR WITH THE 
          BAILEY GROUP. >> MAX ON OTHER COUNTIES I KNOW YOU HAD THAT FEELING. KIND OF Y'ALL'S JOB TO GO ON THE CONSERVATIVE SIDE, DOES IT GIVE YOU HEARTBURN TO BE, DOES IT WORRY YOU? WE LEAN ON Y'ALL FOR YOUR OPINION, YOU KNOW. 
          >> I WILL ANSWER THIS PERSONALLY IN A COUPLE DIFFERENT WAYS, FROM AN INSURANCE STANDPOINT, THE NUMBER IS THE NUMBER THAT THEY CAME UP WITH YOUR AVERAGE, IF EVERY EMPLOYEE PAID THAT AMOUNT THAT IS WHAT YOU FUNDED. IT IS A FINANCIALLY-SOUND NUMBER. WHERE IT COULD PUT YOU AT RISK, FUTURE RISK, THE NUMBER BEING ARTIFICIAL OR HIGH BASED ON AVERAGE IS ALLOWING YOU TO HAVE RESERVES, THE NUMBER THAT YOU ARE CARRY OVER YEAR AFTER YEAR IS A LOWER NUMBER. INSTEAD OF AT 24,000 IT WILL BE AT 15 OR 18,000. SO, FOR EVERY VACANCY YOU DON'T HAVE A GAP OF IT. 
          LESS CARRY FORWARD. IT IS SO THIS SIDE OR THIS SIDE. FROM AN INSURANCE STANDPOINT YOUR HEALTH INSURANCE TRUST FUND IS A SOUND FUND. THE AMOUNT WE ARE TAKING IN THIS YEAR IS SOUND. FROM AN INSURANCE STAND FIND IS FINE. BUDGETARY STANDPOINT, IT IS SOLID. JUST, YOU WILL HAVE LESS MONEY CARRYING FORWARD EACH 
          YEAR. >> I DON'T RECALL THIS BEING MENTIONED IN OUR AUDIT AS WE WERE CARRYING OVER TOO MUCH 
          MONEY. DO YOU RECALL THAT? >> I DON'T THINK THERE IS A 
          CAP. >> SURE. TYPICALLY THEY WILL TELL US, YOU ARE JUST -- IF YOUR RESERVES ARE WAY TOO HIGH WOULDN'T THEY SAY YOU GUYS SEEM TO BE CARRYING OVER TOO MUCH? 
          >> THEY WOULD OF BROUGHT IT TO THE COUNTY'S ATTENTION AS A 
          CONCERN. >> I CAN TELL YOU FROM PERSONAL EXPERIENCE IN ORANGE PARK, WE WERE AUDITED AND CARRYING 120%. 
          WE HAD NO POLICY AS TO IT, WE ESTABLISHED A POLICY 35-60% WE COULD NOT CARRY MORE THAN THAT OVER TO THE NEXT BUDGET YEAR. 
          >> WHAT IS YOUR ACTUARY REPORT. TAKING OUT OF AUDIT IT TELLS YOU HOW HEALTHY YOUR TRUST FUND IS AND WHAT YOUR RATES NEED TO BE SET AT TO SAY IF IT IS, HEY, YOUR RATES ARE TOO HIGH YOU NEED TO LOWER THEM, RATES ARE TOO LOW YOU NEED TO INCREASE THEM. LAST YEAR, THE REPORT FOR THIS YEAR, NOT FINALIZED YET. THE REPORT LAST YEAR IS WHY WE INCREASED RATES A LITTLE BIT. THEY SAID WE WERE RUNNING 1%, 2% WHERE WE NEEDED TO BE. WE GOT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE REPORT WE ARE HAPPY TO PROVIDE IT TO YOU, ANYBODY THAT WANTS TO SEE IT TO KIND OF TELL WHERE THE NUMBER IS AT. I WILL SAY YOUR HEALTH INSURANCE TRUST FUND HAS GOTTEN TO THE POINT WHERE IT IS A STABLE FUND. 
          >> BY CHANGING TO THIS POLICY WE ARE FOLLOWING THE MATH. 
          >> YOU ARE. >> RIGHT. 
          >> IS THERE ANYONE WHO OBJECTS TO THE POLICY IF THEY BROUGHT IT BACK? DID YOU HAVE YOUR HAND RAISED? 
          >> NO. >> TROY, IS THE PERSONNEL DEPARTMENT VERSUS HUMAN RESOURCES JUST A SIM SEMANTICS 
          CHANGE? >> JUST MAKING IT MATCH THE CHART SINCE WE WERE MAKING ANOTHER REVISION IT IS A GOOD 
          TIME TO CLEAN IT UP. >> GOT IT. 
          >> YEAH. >> GO WITH IT. 
          >> ALL RIGHT. >> OKAY. CONSENSUS ON THAT ONE. 
          >> THE NEXT ONE IS THE ONE WITH ALL OF THE COLORS ON IT. THAT IS YOUR SOLID WASTE EXEMPTIONS. NOW, DIRECTOR IS HERE IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, HIGH-LEVEL OPTIONS, 1-5 AT THE BOTTOM SHOWS YOU THE SAVINGS IF YOU ARE GOING TO END ALL COLLECTION AND DISPOSAL, KEEP YOUR HARDSHIP THAT WOULD SAVE YOU $1.2 
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MILLION. ENDED COLLECTION $938,000 WOULD BE YOUR SAVINGS. 
          25% REDUCTION WOULD SAVE YOU OR REDUCE IT TO 25% SAVE YOU $971, REDUCE IT TO 50% IT WILL SAVE YOU $670. MILTON LAID OUT OPTIONS FOR YOU. IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, MILTON AND CHARLIE ARE BOTH HERE AND WE CAN WALK THROUGH IT. I DON'T KNOW IF THERE IS ANY DESIRE TO DO IT OR NOT BUT YOU ASKED FOR OPTIONS. 
          >> OKAY. QUESTIONS? >> THIS IS SOMETHING YOU WANT TO ABSORB AND DISCUSS AGAIN ON JULY 8TH WORKSHOP AND MEETING? POTENTIALLY? NOBODY SEEPS TO BE MOVING ON IT. THANK YOU, WE WILL JUST RECEIVE THAT INFORMATION AND FILE IT WITH OUR PREPARATION. COMMISSIONER RENNINGER? 
          >> WE RECEIVED AN EMAIL, BRADFORD COUNTY PROVIDES IT AND 
          THE OTHERS DO NOT. >> I WILL ADD THEY DO NOT OFFER CURBSIDE SERVICE. THEIR RESIDENTS PAY, I THINK, $229 A YEAR FOR THE ABILITY TO GO TO THEIR COLLECTION CENTERS AND THEN IF YOU WANT CURBSIDE YOU CONTRACT SEPARATELY WITH THEM. 
          >> IT MUST BE THE DISPOSAL PART? >> RIGHT. 
          >> YEP. >> THE LAST ITEM IS THE ONE WITH THE GREEN. SORRY, THE ONE WITH THE GREEN TABLE AT THE BOTTOM. 
          THIS IS BASICALLY IF YOUR UTILITY TAX IF YOU DECIDED TO ENTERTAIN IT. KIND OF WORKED WITH COURTNEY'S OFFICE TO COME UP WITH A TIME LINE SO YOU KNOW WHAT THE DATES ARE THAT YOU WOULD HAVE TO MEET AND PUT THE TABLE AT THE BOTTOM. I WOULD SAY THE FIRST, IF YOU DECIDED TO IMPLEMENT THIS, THE FIRST COLLECTION WOULD NOT HAPPEN UNTIL JANUARY. SO, THE DOLLAR FIGURES THAT WE SHOWED YOU IN THE SLIDE WOULD, YOU WOULD ONLY RECEIVE 75% OF THAT NEXT YEAR. YOU ARE GOING TO LOSE OCTOBER, NOVEMBER, DECEMBER OFF OF THIS YEAR'S IF YOU IMPLEMENT A CHANGE. AS YOU CAN SEE, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, IF WE WANT, IF WE WANT TO BRING IT TO YOUR JULY 8TH MEETING WE NEED TO KNOW THAT TODAY SO WE CAN ADVERTISE IT. BECAUSE THE DEADLINE FOR THE PAPER IS, LIKE, NOW, TODAY. IF NOT, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE UPON UNTIL AUGUST 26TH. IS THAT THE CORRECT DATE? TO IMPLEMENT AN ORDINANCE CHANGE IF YOU WANTED AN EFFECTIVE JANUARY 1ST. DID I COVER THAT ALL CORRECTLY? 
          >> OKAY. QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? SAY THAT ONE MORE TIME? YOU HAVE TO KNOW IF WE DON'T WANT TO MOVE AHEAD WITH CONSIDERING THAT 
          THEN YOU HAVE TO PULL THE AD? >> RIGHT OR IF YOU SAY YES WE WANT TO CONSIDER THIS AT YOUR JULY 8TH MEETING WE NEED TO KNOW THE AD CAN CONTINUE. SO, REALLY TONIGHT'S DECISION IS IF THIS IS SOMETHING YOU WANT TO BRING BACK AT YOUR JULY 8TH MEETING OR IF IT IS SOMETHING YOU WAN TO BRING BACK IN THE FUTURE OR NOT 
          AT ALL. >> OKAY. I WOULD LIKE TO BRING 
          IT BACK AT THE JULY 8TH MEETING. >> IS IT A FORMAL VOTE? 
          >> OR JUST A CONSENSUS. >> OKAY. 
          >> I WOULD SUPPORT BRINGING IT BACK AT THE 8TH MEETING. THE NEWS FROM HOWARD TONIGHT IS WELL RECEIVED. BUT THERE IS STILL MORE NUMBER CRUNCHES WE GOT TO DO. BUT I AM NOT READY TO SAY IT IS OFF THE TABLE AT THIS POINT, EITHER. 
          >> BRING IT BACK JULY 8TH. >> YOU HAVE THREE COMMISSIONERS SAYING THEY ARE IN FAVOR OF IT. THAT IS WHERE IT GOES. 
          >> THAT IS ALL I HAD. >> OKAY. THANK YOU, ANYONE WITH ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR TROY? THOSE WHO ARE INTENTLY WATCHING TO WANT TO KNOW WHERE WE ARE MOVING WITH THE BUDGET WE THE HAVE THE NEXT BUDGET WORKSHOP ON THE MORNING OF JULY 8TH AT 9:00. 
          AND THEN WE WILL HAVE OUR REGULAR MEETING THAT AFTERNOON AT 4:00. I DON'T KNOW IF THE BUDGET WILL BE ON THAT AGENDA. 
          BUT, CERTAINLY THERE ARE THINGS TALKED ABOUT TONIGHT THAT WILL 
          [21.  Discussion of Appointments/Resignation to the Clay County Historic Preservation Board]
          BE. STAY TUNED I GUESS IS THE . >> WE ARE NOT AT 5:00 YET. I AM GOING TO MOVE TO LETTERS FOR ACTION. CERTAINLY WE HAVE 
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MEMBERS OF THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE. THIS IS TIMELY, MY UNDER STANDING IS, CONSIDERING THEY HAVE HAD A CATASTROPHIC PLUMBING ISSUE TODAY. SO IF YOU WANT TO DISCUSS IT? 
          >> REALLY, THIS WOULD BE LETTERS FOR DOCUMENTATION UNLESS THERE IS OBJECTION TO IT. EACH ONE OF YOU RECEIVED A MEMO FROM THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE REGARDING 3 SPECIFIC BUDGET TRANSFERS. THOSE THREE AREAS ARE SECURITY GATE AT THE ADMIN BUILDING, THE FIRE ALARM SYSTEM, AT THE JAIL, AND THE INMATE SHOWERS AT THE JAIL. 
          THE COST OF THOSE ASSOCIATED BUDGET TRANSFER ITEMS ARE LISTED THERE ON THE FRONT AND ON THE BACK SPECIFICALLY FROM THE SPECIFIC FUND THAT IT WOULD BE MOVING FROM AND INTO. 
          >> NO ADDITIONAL MOVEMENT. THIS IS MOVEMENT FROM FUND WITHIN THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE ALREADY TO ANOTHER FUND JUST TO BE ABLE TO ACTUALLY SPECIFICALLY USE MONEY THAT WAS MORE UNDER THE GUISE OF MAINTENANCE WE ARE MOVING IT TO SPECIFIC PROJECTS NOW. 
          >> YES, MA'AM, THAT IS CORRECT. >> DOES ANYONE HAVE QUESTIONS? 
          >> MY ONLY QUESTION, IT WAS DATED JUNE 9TH. 
          >> I ASKED THE SAME QUESTION, WE RECEIVED IT TODAY. EVEN THOUGH IT IS DIRECTED TOWARDS ME I DID NOT RECEIVE IT TODAY FROM THE SHERIFF. SHE HAS BEEN WORKING WITH OUR STAFF AND THE REALITY IS BECAUSE OF THE WAY THAT OUR BUDGET IS DESIGNED THEY ACTUALLY COULD OF DONE THIS WITHOUT BRINGING IT TO US BUT IN TRANSPARENCY THEY WANTED TO BRING IT. BUT THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE AND THE STAFF AND SO THAT IS WHY WE ARE RECEIVING IT TODAY. IT DOES NOT REQUIRE A BUDGET TRANSFER. BUT YOUR QUESTION IS WELL TAKEN. I TOLD THE COUNTY MANAGER, THEY ARE, THERE IS SEVERAL COMMISSIONERS THAT DON'T LIKE SEEING THINGS 
          ON BOARD MEETING DATES. >> WALKING IN THE MEETING, OH, 
          BY THE WAY. >> IF YOU CATCH ONE OF THEM AFTERWARD AND HEAR ABOUT THE FLOOD THAT HAPPENED TODAY THAT YOU WILL, IT IS TIMELY, THEY NEED THE MONEY, THEY NEED THE 
          WORK DONE YESTERDAY. >> OUR INMATES HAVE IN SOME CASES HAVE THE ABILITY WREAK HAVOC IN OUR JAIL. 
          >> WITH REGARDS TO THE PLUMBING SYSTEM. 
          >> RIGHT. >> DIRECTOR WRIGHT WHAT ARE YOU 
          DOING TO THOSE GUYS? >> KEEPING THEM LOCKED UP. 
          >> WE APPRECIATE THAT. >> THANK YOU. 
          >>> ALL RIGHT, ANYTHING ELSE ON THAT ONE? DID ANYONE HAVE QUESTIONS FOR ANY OF THE STAFF OR FOR THE COUNTY MANAGER? ALL RIGHT. LETTERS FOR ACTION. DISCUSSIO OF APPOINTMENTS RESIGNATION TO THE CLAY COUNTY HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD. 
          MAUREEN JUNG RESIGNATION AND THEN BILLY GOULD, APPLICATION, AND ONE FROM DISTRICT 5. IT IS THE PLEASURE OF THE BOARD HE COULD FILL THE SEAT THAT IS PREVIOUSLY HELD BY MS. JUNG. I WILL ENTERTAIN MOTIONS ON ALL OF THAT. 
          >> I MOVE APPROVAL FOR ALL THREE >> SECOND MOTION. 
          >> A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING 
          [22.  Bid Opening Tabulations (K. Smith)]
NONE. ALL IN FAVOR INDICATE. THOSE OPPOSED.MOTION CARRIES 5-0. WE ALSO HAVE SOME LETTERS OF DOCUMENTATION BID OPENING TABULATIONS FOR THE FLEMMING ISLAND HVAC. IF YOU HAVE BEEN MEETING AT THE LIBRARY THEY HAVE THE PORTABLE UNITS THEY HAVE BEEN HAVING TO USE. THIS ONE IS TIMELY. AND THEN, THE CMAR, THEY WILL COME BACK ON FUTURE AGENDAS. AND, THAT IS THAT. 
          [COUNTY ATTORNEY]
COMMISSION AUDITOR DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING FOR US THIS AFTERNOON? COUNTY ATTORNEY DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING FOR US? 
          >> NO. JUST THEY WILL BE OUT AT THE CONFERENCE THE REST OF THIS 
          [COUNTY MANAGER]
          WEEK. >> ALL RIGHT. 
          >> COUNTY MANAGER? >> CHAIR COMMISSIONERS I DO. I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE A MOMENT. LOOKS LIKE WE ARE AT 4:56 ON THE TIME. FIRST AS I AM TALKING I WOULD LIKE TO ASK RICHARD SMITH TO COME UP TO THE PODIUM AND THEN THERESE WAS GOING TO BRING UP A VIDEO. I FELT IT WAS IMPORTANT TO TALK ABOUT ROAD PROJECTS AND THE STATUS OF THOSE DURING MY COMMENTS AND SO WITHOUT FURTHER, AS IT COMES UP ALLOW RICHARD IF I MAY THE FLOOR. MOST IMPORTANTLY, I WANT TO JUST ADD MY FINAL COMMENT AS 
          [00:55:03]
I TURN IT OVER TO RICHARD. SUSPICIOUS MESSAGES. GOING ON WORLDWIDE. AND, THE ATTACK ON A.I. SYSTEMS AND THAT. REMAIN VIGILANT ON THE EMAILS THAT YOU RECEIVE. DO NOT CLICK THE LINKS UNLESS YOU RECOGNIZE WHO IT IS TRULY FROM. AS YOU MENTIONED, MADAM CHAIR, ALWAYS GOOD TO FOLLOW UP TO THE PERSON'S CELL PHONE OR KNOWN NUMBER. THOSE EMAILS ARE OUT THERE. IT ALLOWS THEM, PERPETRATORS TO GAIN ACCESS TO YOUR SYSTEM BY A SERIES OF CLICKS AND ENTRIES. I JUST WANTED PEOPLE TO REMAIN VIGILANT ON THAT. THAT AN AREA THAT IS VULNERABLE. 
          >> WE HAD STAFF COMPROMISED IT. >> YES, MA'AM 
          >> THANK YOU. >> IF YOU WANT TO BEGIN. WE ARE GOING TO START WITH THE WELLS ROAD AT LANDING BOULEVARD. THE QUIETEST HUGE PROJECT IN THE COUNTY RIGHT NOW. IT NEEDS 
          SOUND. >> THEY ARE WORKING ON IT. 
          >> OKAY. HOLD ON ONE SECOND. BACKGROUND ON THE PROJECT. IT IS A FLORIDA-DOT PROJECT. ACCESS MANAGEMENT IN THE AREA AT THE ORANGE PARK ROAD. NOT YOUR NORMAL INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENT. 
          THIS IS A COMPLETE CHANGE OF WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN HERE. 
          AND IT IS, THERE IS A PUBLIC MEETING ON JULY 30TH COMING UP AT THE ORANGE PARK LIBRARY. I URGE ATTENDANCE. THE LAST TIME I ATTENDED AND ONE OTHER PERSON THAT WAS CONCERNED WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE. A PRETTY LONG U-TURN. SHE DECIDED TO COME. -- THE JULY 30TH AT THE LIBRARY. THERE IS ABOUT 125-140,000 CARS A DAY THAT USE THIS. MAY NOT BE YOU, BUT CERTAINLY SOMEBODY YOU KNOW. IT IS GOING TO CHANGE EVERYTHING. GO AHEAD. . 
          >> STATE 21, WELLS ROAD, SOUTH OF THE DUVALL COUNTY LINE. THE INTERSECTION WILL ENHANCE THE FLOW OF TRAFFIC IN ALL DIRECTIONS. THE INTERSECTION IS EXPERIENCING SIGNIFICANT CONGESTION DURING PEAK HOURS. IT IS A MAG OAR NORTH/SOUTH ROAD IN CLAY COUNTY CONNECTS RESIDENTIAL HOMES AND BUSINESSES TO I-295. 
          IT IS A MAJOR EAST/WEST CONNECTOR. SERVING RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL CENTERS BETWEEN U.S. 17 AND BLANDING BOULEVARD. 
          THE PROJECT WILL CLOSE MEDIAN OPENINGS IN FRONT OF THE PROPERTIES TO THE WEST OF BLANDING BOULEVARD AND REDESIGN THE INTERSECTION OF BLANDING BOULEVARD AND WELLS ROAD. 
          NORTHBOUND TRAVELERS WILL NO LONGER TURN LEFT TO ENTER THE PROPERTIES TO THE WEST OF BLANDING BOULEVARD, SOUTH OF THE WELLS ROAD. THEY MUST MAKE A U-TURN. NORTH OF WELLS ROAD AT THE RIGHT. MAKING A RIGHT-HAND TURN INTO THE PROPERTIES. 
          ADDITION ALLEY WESTBOUND TRAVELERS ON WELLS ROAD MUST TURN NORTH ON BLANDING BOULEVARD, MAKE A U-TURN. MAKE A RIGHT, CONTINUE TO GO WEST. THIS ACCESS MANAGEMENT PROJECT IS BEING CONDUCTED TO RELIEVE CONGESTION AND ENHANCE SAFETY AT THE BLANDING BOULEVARD AND WELLS INTERSECTION. 
          >> I WOULD URGE BUSINESS OWNERS, USERS, ATTEND THE MEETING ON THE 30TH. YOU CAN FIND OUT MORE OF WHAT YOU JUST SAW AND ASK QUESTIONS. BEGINS AT 4:30 AT THE ORANGE PARK LIBRARY. GOES UNTIL 6:00. ANYONE THAT COMMUTES THAT WAY OR GOES IN AT JACKSONVILLE, NOTICED THE FLASHING LIGHT AT ELDRIDGE AND U.S. 17. FLASHING LIGHTS ARE PUT IN TO INDICATE A TRAFFIC SIGNAL IS COMING. NOT SUPPOSED TO GO ON MORE THAN 10 DAYS, THIS HAS BEEN MORE THAN 10 DAYS. WE RECEIVED WORD IT WILL BE FUNCTION ALIBI MID-JULY. IT IS CONTINUING TO FLASH. WE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT. ON 220, 
          THE . >> THEY HAVE ARMS TO PUT UP THERE, TOO. I GUESS. AT ELDRIDGE AND 17. 
          >> YES. THAT IS THE PROBLEM. IT IS NOT FINISHED. THE INTERSECTION LIGHTING IS, SIGNAL IS FINISHED BUT ELDRIDGE IS NOT 
          READY TO RECEIVE TRAFFIC. >> BEFORE YOU LEAVE THIS WELLS 
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ROAD THERE IS A YELLOW OR A LEFT-TURN TO PUT IN. I THINK IF IT CYCLES YELLOW, GREEN, RED. I THINK, YOU TOLD ME AT ONE TIME, THE STATE INSTEAD OF RED IT IS YELLOW, YELLOW FLASH, AN OPTION TO TURN, YOU KNOW, WHEN THE ROADWAY IS CLEARED. IT DOES NOT FLASH. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT IS, DO WE CHANGE THE LIGHT OR THE 
          STATE CHANGE THE LIGHT? >> IT IS THE TOWN OF ORANGE 
          PARK. >> WE DO ORANGE PARK'S LIGHTS? 
          >> IF THEY REQUEST IT. WE WOULD BE THE ONE TO MAKE THE CHANGE. 
          >> THEY HAVE TO REQUEST THAT? >> YES. 
          >> IF THE TOWN REQUESTS AND WE WANT TO GO TO A FLASHING YELLOW. 
          THAT SAY THE NEW STANDARD FOR FLORIDA-DOT. YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO AFTER YOU GET THE GREEN ARROW THAT GIVES YOU A SAFE CROSSING, 
          THEN, IT WILL FLASH YELLOW. >> OKAY. IT DOESN'T. 
          >> OKAY. I WILL TALK TO ORANGE PARK. 
          >> SHIFTING NOW TO BRING A COUPLE THINGS UP TO EVERYONE'S ATTENTION. THE OLD BRIDGE REMOVED. DON'T TRY IT. AND IT IS ABOUT 30% COMPLETE. IT IS ON SCHEDULE. IT IS GOING VERY WELL. 
          FLORIDA-D.O.T IS USING IT AS A CLASSROOM. BRINGING A LOT OF THE YOUNG ENGINEERS OUT TO WATCH THE PROJECT. BIGGEST NEWS COMING UP IS FRIDAY 11TH, JULY 11TH, A FULL CLOSURE OF COUNTY ROAD 220. 
          IMMEDIATELY WEST OF HENNLEY. IT IS AT THE OLD MARATHON STATION. 
          IT FRONTS ACROSS FROM THE SUBDIVISION ON THE SOUTH SIDE. 
          THAT WILL BE A FULL CLOSURE FROM 7:00 ON FRIDAY AFTERNOON UNTIL 5:00 A.M. MONDAY MORNING. WE ARE HAVING TO PUT IN NEW PIPES AND DRAINAGE PIPES THERE. IT IS REQUIRING LARGE CRANES TO COME IN. RESURFACING UPDATE. U.S. 17 WORK WILL BEGIN TONIGHT, THEY WILL RETURN TONIGHT, AND THAT WILL BEGIN FROM EAGLE HARBOR TO 220, COUNTY ROAD 220. RIGHT-HAND LANES WILL BE PAVED THERE AND THE ONE INTO EAGLE HARBOR. THAT PAVING UNTIL JULY 17TH. WEST PART OF THE COUNTY PLANTATION BOULEVARD IS BEING RESURFACED, ALSO. GOING ACROSS 23 TO THE ROUNDABOUT IN THE CENTER OF OAKLEAF. WE SHOULD BE FINISHED, IT IS A DIFFICULT CORRIDOR, IF YOU LOOK AT THE PLAN AND TRY TO SAY I CAN GET AROUND THIS, DON'T TRY IT. YOU WILL GO INTO A LOT OF NEIGHBORHOODS AND A LOT OF DEAD ENDS, THERE IS NO GRID OR ANYTHING WAY AROUND THE PROJECT UNLESS YOU GO BACK UP INTO ARGYLE FOREST. BE PATIENT FOR ANOTHER 72 HOURS AND WE SHOULD BE OUT OF THERE. THERE WILL THEN BE RESTRIPING THAT WILL BE DONE AT NIGHT A FEW WEEKS LATER AFTER THE ASPHALT CURES. I GOT TO SAY SOMETHING ABOUT STATE ROAD 16 AND DIAMOND INTERCHANGE. IT TOUCHES THE PEOPLE THAT TALK THE LOUDEST, APPARENTLY. ONE OF THEM IS ME ON MY WAY TO MY HOME COUNTY. THEY ARE MONITORING IT. BEEN THERE ALL DAY, ALL DAY SINCE SATURDAY. I WENT THROUGH IT VERY EASILY THE FIRST DAY ON JUNETEENTH WITH NO PROBLEM WHATSOEVER, A COUPLE TRIPS OVER THE WEEKEND NO PROBLEM, A.M. AND P.M. PEAK HOURS ARE DIFFICULT. A COUPLE REASONS ARE, OBVIOUSLY, THE VOLUME, SECONDLY THE LANES AREN'T OPEN TO GET ON TO THE INTERCHANGE TO GET ON TO 23 TO RELIEVE US. AND ONE, WE DON'T THINK ABOUT THAT I GREW UP WITH ARE THE SEMI TRUCKS, WE DO HAVE A LOT OF TRUCK TRAFFIC. YOU GET THE GRAVEL TRUCKS FULL, BY THE TIME THEY ARE IN THIRD GEAR THE LIGHT CHANGES TO RED. I FOUND SOMETHING OUT FROM THE TRAFFIC DEPARTMENT. IF THE DETECTURE DOES NOT SENSE ANYTHING OVER IT FOR FOUR SECONDS IT GOES BACK. 
          IT GOES FROM GREEN TO RED. SO, YOU MAY SAY WOW THAT IS SHORT CYCLING THAT TRUCKER IS TRYING TO GET UP TO SPEED TO GO THROUGH IT. A LOT OF BACK UPS TODAY. WORKING ON TIMING TO SEE WHAT CAN FIX IT, IMPROVE IT. AND, FINALLY, WE TRIED TO GET SOME STRAIGHT ANSWERS FROM D.O.T. AND THE CONTRACTORS AND OPENING UP 23, THE BEST I COULD COME UP WITH, THE SOUTH PORTION OF IT, BETWEEN 16 AND 17, THAT CONTRACTOR SAYS THEY WILL BE DONE JULY 11TH. WE HAVE NOT HEARD FROM THE NORTH ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS OR ANYTHING ELSE? WE ARE DOING A HARD GOOD PUSH BEFORE SCHOOL BUSES AND SCHOOL GET BACK IN SESSION. 
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          >> WE MET WITH JIM KNIGHT HE SAID LATE JUNE, WHAT HAPPENED? 
          WHY IS IT NOT OPENING NOW? >> I ASKED HIM AND MID-JULY IS 
          WHAT THEY ARE BEING TOLD. >> THAT WAS TWO WEEKS AFTER WE 
          HAD JUST MET WITH HIM >>AND THEY HAD A $15 MILLION 
          INCENTIVE. >> WHAT? 
          >> D.O.T. OFFERED HIM A $15 MILLION INCENTIVE TO FINISH BY 
          15TH OF JUNE. >> TELL D.O.T. WE HAVE A PROJECT OR TWO THAT WE CAN USE $14 MILLION 
          >> YEAH, REALLY >> IF THEY HAVE IT TO THROW AROUND. IT IS, YOU ARE JUST, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT IS. I COULD NOT GET AN ANSWER WITH JIM KNIGHT HE SAID I WILL SEE WHAT I 
          CAN DO. >> I AM GOING TO CALL HIM. I 
          WILL BE TALKING TO HIM TOMORROW. >> AUGUST 12TH. 
          >> THAT IS WHEN, THAT IS WHEN THE QUARTERLY MEETING IS. 
          SCHOOLS, SCHOOL BACK? >> HE IS JUST TALKING ABOUT THE 
          QUARTERLY MEETING. >> NO, NO, OKAY. HE IS ACCESSIBLE. WE REACHED HIM WITH ONE PHONE CALL. HE IS NOT OUT THERE PAINTING STRIPES AND POURING ASPHALT BUT THAT IS WHAT HAS TO BE DONE. I HAVE NO EXPLANATION. 
          >> MADAM CHAIR, ALL OF THE INFORMATION, I FELT IT WAS GOOD FOR INPERSON BUT IT IS CONSTANTLY PUT OUT ON OUR WEBSITE AND SOCIAL MEDIA AND VIA EMAILS, I WANT THE COMMUNITY TO SIGN UP FOR THE EMAILS. I GET THEM. THEY ARE INFORMATIVE AND I ALSO GET THEM FROM F-DOT THAT HELP ME OUT TO MAKE MY FUTURE PLANS ON TRAVEL WHEREVER IT MAY BE. LAURA, I THINK WAS JUST HERE A MINUTE AGO. I CAN NOT SEE THERE. THERE SHE IS. AND, SO, SHE KEEPS UP WITH THIS AND THE WEEKLY NEWS LETTER AND THE PROJECTS THAT ARE OUT THERE. I WANT TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO BE 
          ACTIVE AND GET THE EMAILS. >> AND THREE NEW VIDEO BOARDS YESTERDAY. THE FLEET DEPARTMENT IS CLEANING THEM UP AND PUTTING STICKERS ON THEM. THEY WILL BE OUT THERE TO KIND OF, AGAIN, WARN FOLKS EARLY. THAT THE ROAD IS CLOSING, DETOURS, LANE 
          CLOSURES, STUFF LIKE THAT. >> OKAY, I KNOW IT IS NOT TOTALLY YOU, CATHEDRAL OAKS WEREN'T WE WAITING FOR IT TO 
          OPEN? >> THE SECTION BETWEEN THE ELEMENTARY ON 218 AND 23 IS COMPLETE. WE DEEMED, WE INSPECTED IT, IT IS COMPLETE. IT IS NOW OPEN, THE COUNTY NOW OWNS THAT AND OPERATES IT. THERE IS NOWHERE TO GO BUT TO THE EXPRESS WAY AND TURN AROUND. WE HAVE GOT THE GATES CLOSED UNTIL THE 
          EXPRESSWAY UNTIL 23 OPENSES. >> WHAT ABOUT 217? 
          >> THAT IS A QUESTION FOR DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION PROGRAM. I KNOW THEY ARE WORKING ON A LIGHT, OR SIGNAL AT 315. IT 
          IS 99%. >> WE, IF 23 WAS TO OPEN WOULD WE OPEN THAT SMALL AREA OR WOULD WE WAIT? 
          >> BETWEEN 23 AND THE ELEMENTARY. 
          >> YES. WE WOULD. YES, WE WENT OVER THE PLANS WITH THE INSPECTORSES AND WHAT RAMPS WILL BE CLOSED -- INSPECTORS AND WHAT RAMPS WILL BE CLOSED. WITH 16, WE KNOW THE SOUTHBOUND RAMPS FROM 16TH SOUTH AND 17 WILL NOT BE OPEN UNTIL NEXT SPRING. SO, YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO GO FROM 16 TO 17 FOR A YEAR. AND, YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO GET OFF IF YOU ARE COMING FROM PALATCA TO GO TO THE FAIRGROUNDS OR GREEN COVE. 
          >> THE OTHER HALF OF THAT, SOUTH AND 16. THAT WE ARE EXPECTING TO BE OPEN VERY SOON. MID-JULY WAS THE LATEST. 
          >> SO, CAN I ASK ABOUT, FROM ED ABOUT THAT? ARE WE GOING TO GET 
          THAT HAND TO HAND OPEN OR? >> CATHEDRAL OAKS TO 17 . 
          >> >> THEY ARE STILL WORKING ON 
          THAT. MIGHT BE DECEMBER. >> OH, LORDY, OKAY. 
          >> THEY WERE FOUR-LANING IT? >> IT IS A SHORT SECTION. 
          [10.  Public Hearing on Ordinance and Resolution to Amend the Capital Improvement Plan and Other Budget Adjustments (R. Kantor)]
          [INAUDIBLE] >> OKAY. 
          >> THANK YOU, RICHARD >> THANK YOU FOR THE UPDATE. 
          >> THANK YOU. >> ALL RIGHT. WE WILL MOVE INTO 
          [01:10:02]
OUR 5:00 TIME CERTAINS, FIRST ONE IS ITEM NUMBER 10. 
          REJ, YOU ARE UP. 
          >>PUBLIC HEARING ON ORDINANCE AND RESOLUTION TO AMEND THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN AND OTHER BUDGET ADJUSTMENTS. 
          >> THIS ITEM HAS SEVERAL PARTS. PART A, ABOVE THE LINE. PART B. 
          APPLIES TO THE REST OF THE PROJECTS. PART C IS THE BUDGET RESOLUTION AMENDING THE FY24/25 BUDGET AND PART IT IS THE BUDGET RESOLUTION AMENDING THE FY24/25 BUDGET TO FUND SCHOOL RESOURCE OFFICERS FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE FISCAL YEAR. THIS IS AN ANNUAL EXERCISE THAT ALIGNS THE CURRENT BUDGET WITH FUND BALANCES, DETERMINED AND FINISHED AUDIT. ALSO, ADJUSTMENTS WERE MADE TO FUNDING SOURCES FOR COUNTY ROAD 220 AS WELL AS SEVERAL BONDED ROAD PROJECTS. THESE ARE IN PART A. 
          OTHER ADJUSTMENTS WERE FOR PROJECT TIMING, SHIFTING FUNDING, SOURCES, IN PART B. WITHIN THE OPERATING BUDGET, GRANTS FOR EMERGENCY PROGRAMS, HISTORICAL RENOVATIONS AND LUTHERAN SERVICES PROVIDING WITHDRAWAL TREATMENTS ARE INCLUDED AS WELL. THAT IS JUST A QUICK SUMMARY OF ALL OF THAT. 
          SO, I GUESS YOU START WITH PART A. AND WORK YOUR WAY THROUGH. 
          OKAY. DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR REJ? ALL BRIEFED ON THE BUDGET AMENDMENTS. I NEVER, DO WE TAKE ALL OF THEM OR 
          TOGETHER. >> YOU HAVE TO DO PUBLIC HEARING 
          FIRST? >> OKAY. I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. IS THERE ANYONE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK AT THE PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER APPROVAL OF THE ORDINANCE AMENDING THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT ELEMENT OF THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN? SEEING NONE. I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND I WILL BRING IT BACK TO THE BOARD FOR ACTION. 
          >> MADAM CHAIR. I WILL MOVE APPROVAL FOR PART A. AS IT IS 
          PRESENTED IN THE AGENDA. >> I WILL SECOND. 
          >> A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, ALL OF THOSE IN FAVOR. THOSE OPPOSED. MOTION CARRIES, 5-0. WE CAN TAKE B., C. AND D. TOGETHER OR NO? 
          >> DO YOU NEED A CONTINGENCY. >> THANK YOU FOR THAT REMINDER. 
          LET'S MOVE TO B. AND C. AND I WILL ADDRESS D. I WILL ENTERTAIN 
          A MOTION ON B. AND C. >> A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL OF THOSE IN FAVOR. ALL OF THOSE OPPOSED. 
          MOTION CARRIES 5-0. OKAY. SO, ITEM NUMBER D. OR LETTER D. WE ARE THE, WE ARE SIMPLY THE PASS THROUGH. WE DON'T REALLY, I SHOULD NOT SAY WE DON'T CARE. BUT THE AGREEMENT FOR THE FUNDING IS BETWEEN THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE AND THE SCHOOL DISTRICT HW MUCH THE MONEY IS GOING TO BE. THEY TRANSFER THE MONEY TO THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE SO WE RECEIVE IT AND PASS IT ALONG TO THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE. THE AGREEMENT WAS NOT REACHED, THE SCHOOL BOARD DELEGATED NEGOTIATING TO THE SUPERINTENDENT, AS MY UNDERSTANDING, THAT AGREEMENT WAS REACHED YESTERDAY. HOWEVER, THE SCHOOL BOARD DOES NOT MEET TO APPROVE THE AMOUNT THAT THE SUPERINTENDENT NEGOTIATED UNTIL THURSDAY; THURSDAY NIGHT, TWO NIGHTS FROM HERE. 6/26, 25. IT IS IMPERATIVE THAT WE HAVE SOMETHING HAPPEN SO THE DIRECTOR AND THE SHERIFF CAN CONTINUE TO PAY STAFF THAT WORK IN THE S R O. WE COULD NOT SIMPLIFY THINGS, HOWEVER, THIS IS WHERE WE ARE. 
          SO, WHAT MY REQUEST IS FOR YOU, AND I AM WILLING TO MAKE THE MOTION IS THAT WE APPROVE THE RESOLUTION THAT WE ARE PRESENTED WITH TONIGHT WITH THE CONNEN TIN CONTINGENCY THAT THE SCHOOL 
          [01:15:04]
BOARD APPROVES IT. IF THEY DO NOT, I WOULD ASSUME WE WOULD HAVE TO POSSIBLY HAVE A SPECIAL MEETING ON THE 30TH, MONDAY. WE ARE NOT ADVERTISING A SPECIAL MEETING, WE ARE NOT PLANNING HAVE A SPECIAL MEETING. I TALKED TO SEVERAL SCHOOL BOARD MEMBERS AND THEY DID NOT VIOLATE SUNSHINE. I DID TALK WITH THE SUPERINTENDENT. THEY FEEL CONFIDENT AS DOES THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE THEY HAVE A GOOD AGREEMENT. IT IS LIKE CHOICE-CALCULATED RISK ON INSURANCE THIS IS CALCULATED RISK ON OUR PART. APPROVE THE BUDGET RESOLUTION AS PRESENTED TONIGHT UNDER THE PROVIDED THAT THE SCHOOL BOARD APPROVES IT 
          THURSDAY NIGHT. >> I WILL SECOND THE MOTION. 
          >> OKAY WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? I KNOW IT IS COMPLICATED. I APOLOGIZE. ALL OF THOSE IN FAVOR INDICATE. THOSE OPPOSED. MOTION CARRIES, 5-0. NONE OF US WANT A 
          [11.  First Amendment to the Agreement for Renovations to the Tax Collector’s Keystone Heights Branch Location (W. Sams)]
          SPECIAL MEETING. >> THANK YOU. 
          >> THANK YOU, REJ. >>> ALL RIGHT, ITEM NUMBER 11, FIRST AMENDMENT TO THE AGREEMENT FOR RENOVATIONS TO THE TAX COLLECTOR'S KEYSTONE HEIGHTS BRANCH LOCATION. 
          >> THANK YOU, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD. I AM HERE TO PROVIDE YOU WITH A BRIEF OF THE PROPOSED CHANGE ORDER NUMBER 1 -- I AM SORRY, AGREEMENT NUMBER 2024/2025-145 WITH J. LANE CONSTRUCTION, LLC. IT CONSISTS OF ADDING $124, 814.94 TO THE CONTRACT AND ADDING THREE MONTHS TO THE CONTRACT PERFORMANCE DAYS. THE BRIEF IN THE BACKGROUND OF THIS ITEM STARTED BACK IN MARCH WHEN THE CONTRACT DATE ISSUED IT WITH THE BOARD AND WHEN THEY WENT INTO THE STRUCTURE OR THE BUILDING THEY REMOVED THE CEILING AND REALIZED THAT THE HVAC SYSTEMS WERE BAD. 
          IT WAS LEAKING WATER, LEAKING FROM THE ROOF. THERE WAS EXTERIOR SIDING IN THE BACK OF THE BUILDING DAMAGED PRIOR TO THE EXECUTION OF CONTRACT, WE WERE TOLD. THERE WERE ALSO DEMOLITION IN THE CEILING AND DUCT THAT DISCOVERED THE INSULATION WAS JUST WATER DAMAGE. NONE OF THESE ITEMS I CALLED OUT WAS IN THE ORIGINAL CONTRACT. SO, STAFF IS ASKING OR RECOMMENDING APPROVAL NUMBER 1 IN THE AMOUNT OF $124,814.94 AND ADD THREE MONTHS TO THE SCHEDULE TO ADDRESS THE NECESSARY SCOPE, MODIFICATION AND MAINTAIN PROJECT CONTINUITY. WITH THAT, 
          DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? >> ANY QUESTIONS? 
          >> JUST A COMMENT. I LOOKED OVER ALL OF THE FIRST I HATE CHANGE 
          ORDERS, THEY ARE VERY EXPENSIVE. >> YES. 
          >> MY OPINION THERE WAS, THERE IS BLAME TO THE REQUIREMENTS. 
          WHEN YOU SAY ONE OF THE CHANGE ORDERS IS I AM GOING TO CREATE BINS FOR HANDICAPPED LICENSE PLATES, I MEAN THEY SELL THOSE ALL OF THE TIME AND YET THEY WERE NOT IN THE ORIGINAL 
          REQUIREMENT, I GUESS. >> RIGHT. 
          >> WE ARE MAKING THOSE. I THINK THERE WERE ERRORS IN THE ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN OF THIS. WE ARE LAYING ASPHALT FROM, YOU 
          KNOW, ADDITIONAL ASPHALT THAT >> RIGHT. 
          >> SO, ANY WAY, THE OTHER THING, AND THE REASON THAT I JUST FOR THE WILL WORK FOR THE LICENSE PLATES COST A LITTLE OVER $1,000 BUT THE OVERHEAD WAS ANOTHER $1,000. YOU KNOW. CONTRACTOR PROFIT, BONDING,  INSURANCE, IT IS JUST VERY EXPENSIVE. AND REQUIREMENTS AND SPECIFICATIONS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          >> YES. >> I KNOW THAT TONY IS DOING A REALLY GOOD JOB OF STAYING ON TOP OF THIS CONTRACTOR. I KNOW THERE HAVE BEEN CONCERNS WITH THE PARTICULAR CONTRACTOR. MY 
          [01:20:02]
UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THEY NOW UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS, THIS IS IT. IT REALLY IS GOING TO BE A DIFFICULT THING. I APPRECIATE THE COUNTY MANAGER AND TONY AND THE STAFF MEETING WITH THE TAX COLLECTOR. SHE CALLED ME AS SOON AS HE BECAME AWARE AND UNDERSTANDING SINCE SHE USED TO SIT IN OUR SEATS I WILL BE THE ONE THAT GETS THE PHONE CALLS. WE MADE ACCOMMODATIONS FOR THE DELAY, THE BIGGEST THING, AND, SO, WE MADE ACCOMMODATIONS, TROY, GRACIOUSLY GAVE US SOME SPACE AT THE KEYSTONE HEIGHTS LIBRARY AND THE OTHER THREE EMPLOYEES, UNFORTUNATELY, THE TAX COLLECTOR WILL HAVE TO MOVE TO OTHER LOCATIONS FOR THOSE TWO MONTHS, THREE MONTHS. AND THAT ADDS TO THEIR COMMUTE. SO, HOPEFULLY THE CONTRACTOR UNDERSTANDS THAT THIS IS NOT WITHOUT, YOU KNOW, PUTTING THE PUBLIC OUT AND THE EMPLOYEES OUT. IT IS GOING TO BE A GREAT THING ONCE IT IS COMPLETED. 
          TONY, I DO APPRECIATE THE WORK YOU HAVE DONE TRYING TO STAY ON THIS CONTRACTOR AND, YOU KNOW. I MEAN, POOR TONY GOES TO WORK ONE DAY AND THE CONTRACTOR IS NOT EVEN THERE. 
          >> WALKED OFF OF THE JOB. >> YEAH. SO, HOPEFULLY THIS IS THE LAST OF THE ISSUES WITH THIS PARTICULAR ONE. I DON'T KNOW. I AM SURE KAREN IS MAKING NOTES. HE IS NOT EARN ANYTHING STARS. 
          >> AND EVEN THOUGH THEY ARE MOVING TO THE LIBRARY IT WILL 
          NOT BE FULL-SERVICE. >> NO. 
          >> THEY ARE NOT SERVING THE COMMUNITY FOR TWO MONTHS, THREE 
          MONTHS. >> BECAUSE, SO, BRADFORD COUNTY HAD A SATELLITE COLLECTOR'S OFFICE IN ONE OF THEIR FIRE STATIONS BUT THEIR FIRE STATION GOT SO BUSY THAT THEY NEEDED TO TAKE UP THAT SPACE. SO, THEY CLOSED THAT SATELLITE LOCATION. 
          NOW, THE CLOSEST TAX COLLECTOR OFFICE IS FOR KEYSTONE HEIGHTS DURING THIS TIME PERIOD WILL BE, REALLY ONLY FROM THE BEGINNING OF SEPTEMBER THROUGH THE END OF NOVEMBER. SO, THREE MONTHS, BUT IT WILL BE STARK AND MIDDLEBERG. WE WILL HAVE TO COMMUNICATE OUT TO THE PUBLIC. I KNOW LAURA AND HER TEAM WILL DO A GREAT JOB OF COMMUNICATING THAT, EXACTLY WHERE TO GO TO GET YOUR SERVICES TAKEN CARE OF. IT IS A HARDSHIP. IT IS NOT A PUBLIC HEARING. I 
          WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. >> I WILL MOVE APPROVAL. 
          >> THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? 
          >> SECOND. >> ALL RIGHT. MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR INDICATE THOSE 
          [12.  Public Hearing to Impose and Provide for Collection of Non-Ad Valorem Assessments on Hospitals within Clay County (C. Grimm)]
          OPPOSED. MOTION CARRIES 5-0. >> THANK YOU. 
          >> THANK YOU. >>> ITEM NUMBER 12, PUBLIC HEARING TO IMPOSE AND PROVIDE FOR COLLECTION OF NON-AD VALOREM ASSESSMENTS ON HOSPITALS WITHIN CLAY COUNTY. 
          >> YES, I BELIEVE HERE TO DAVE ELLIOT IS HERE TO PRESENT THE 
          ITEM. >> OKAY. 
          >> THANK YOU COURTNEY. DAVID ELLIOT. WE REPRESENT SOME OF THE PRIVATE HOSPITALS HERE IN CLAY COUNTY AS WELL AS ACROSS FLORIDA. I THINK WE HAVE SPOKEN TO MOST OF YOU INDIVIDUALLY. I AM HERE TO SAY THANK YOU, THE HOSPITALS AND WE APPRECIATE THE SUPPORT OF THE COMMISSIONERS AND THE STAFF THROUGH THIS PROCESS. 
          ESPECIALLY WITH THE ADVANCED TIME LINE WE THIS YEAR UNEXPECTEDLY THAT MOVED THIS FORWARD QUICKER THAN IT HAS IN THE PAST. WE APPRECIATE THE EFFORT AND THE WORK TO GET IT THROUGH FOR THE HOSPITALS. THIS IS A PROGRAM THAT IS INCREDIBLY VALUABLE FOR THE HOSPITALS AND THE SAFETY NET AS A COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE. I HAVE HCA WITH ME IN SUPPORT OF THIS AS WELL. AND HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. JUST WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU. 
          >> DOES ANYONE HAVE QUESTIONS? >> COMMISSIONER? 
          >> NOT THAT YOU WOULD KNOW OR ANYTHING BUT YOU PLAY OF HEARD BIG BEAUTIFUL BILL THAT IS IN FRONT OF SENATE RIGHT NOW. IT HAS A PROVISION IN IT THAT LIMITS THE AMOUNT OF TAX THAT, I GUESS, THE STATES CAN CHARGE OR HOSPITALS, WHICH, SELF-SERVING IS MATCHED BY FUNDS FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. IF THEY REDUCE THE TAX THEY REDUCE THE FUNDS, MEDICAID FUNDS TO THE HOSPITALS. CAN YOU EXPLAIN THAT WHAT THEIR LIMIT IS IN THAT BILL, I REALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS, BUT I KNOW THEY HAVE IT 
          IN THE BILL? >> ABSOLUTELY. THE BILL IS, OF COURSE, NOT FINALIZED. I CAN ONLY SPEAK TO WHAT THE BILL IS PROPOSED AT THIS POINT. WHEN THE BILL TALKS ABOUT TAXES WHAT THEY 
          [01:25:07]
ARE REFERRING TO IS PROVIDER TAXES, THE COUNTY ASSESSES ON THE HOSPITALS. SO, STATEWIDE AND REALLY FEDERALLY, THERE A 6% LIMIT ON THE AMOUNT OF ASSESSMENTS ON NET PATIENT REVENUE. 6% REVENUE CAN BE USED AS ASSESSMENTS ON THE HOSPITALS TO FUND THESE MEDICAID PROGRAMS AND RECEIVE THAT FEDERAL MATCH. 
          AS YOU SAID, TO THE EXTENT THAT THIS BILL IS LOOKING TO LOWER THE ABILITY TO GROW THE ASSESSMENTS AND HAVE THOSE ASSESSMENTS THAT WOULD POTENTIALLY LIMIT FUTURE PROVIDER, FUTURE MEDICAID OPPORTUNITIES. AND DOLLARS TO HELP THE HOSPITALS OFF SET THE COSTS FOR THESE MEDICAID 
          SERVICES. >> OUR TAX IS NOT NEAR 6%. 
          >> IN THE STATE IT IS 3.5% >> DO YOU KNOW IS THERE A GRANDFATHER CLAUSE? IF THEY LOWER IT TO 3%? 
          >> IT COULD BE. THAT IS WHY WE ARE IN FRONT OF YOU TODAY INSTEAD OF SEPTEMBER TO HAVE IT ACCOMPLISHED BEFORE THAT TIME 
          LINE >> SMART. 
          >> IT WAS STARTLING TO ME TO LEARN THAT, SO, THE HOSPITAL SHARES A BORDER WITH -- MIDDLEBERG. I HAVE NOT TALKED TO THEM BUT I WOULD IMAGINE IT IS THE CASE WITH THEM. IT WAS STARTLING TO ME TO LEARN THAT ONE, EVERY 1 OUT OF 2 BABIES IS A MEDICAID BABY, THEY ARE NODDING THEIR HEAD YES, IT IS THE SAME IN ORANGE PARK. OUR YOUNG MOTHERS NEED OBVIOUSLY NEED ASSISTANT AND THEY ARE GETTING THAT AND THAT PRENATAL CARE IT IS JUST ESSENTIAL FOR THE BEGINNING OF LIFE. INTO THIS CRAZY WORLD. THEY ARE MORE PROTECTED INSIDE THAN OUTSIDE. 
          BUT, ANY WAY THAT WAS AN ALARMING STATISTIC TO ME. I DID NOT REALIZE THAT. GRATEFUL FOR THE WORK THAT IS DONE FROM ALL OF THE HOSPITALS IN CLAY COUNTY AND OUR GREAT PARTNERS. 
          >> I HAVE ONE LAST COMMENT. YOU REPRESENT -- THEY ARE IN THIS 
          RESOLUTION AS WELL. >> CORRECT. YES. WE DO NOT PERMANENTLY REPRESENT THEM. WE TALK OFTEN AND WORK WITH THE HOSPITALS ACROSS THE STATE. WE HAVE SPOKEN TO THEM. THEY ARE AWARE OF THIS AND THEY ARE IN SUPPORT OF THIS AS WELL. 
          >> OKAY. THAT IS MY QUESTION. >> YEP. 
          >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. I DID NOTICE THAT, BAPTIST DOES NOT 
          PARTICIPATE. DO YOU KNOW WHY? >> THEY WOULD BE IN DEVALL 
          COUNTY >> OH, THEIR PARENT. OKAY. THAT 
          MAKES SENSE. >>> THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING, I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING, IS THERE ANYONE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? I DO NOT HAVE A CARD ON IT. ALL RIGHT. 
          SEEING NONE, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND I WILL BRING 
          IT BACK FOR ACTION. >> I MOVE APPROVAL. 
          >> I WILL SECOND. >> OKAY. WE HAVE MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL OF THOSE IN FAVOR INDICATE. 
          [13.  Final Public Hearing to Consider ZON 25-0009 (District 5, Comm Burke) (J. Bryla)]
THOSE OPPOSED. MOTION CARRIES 5-0. I THANK ALL OF YOU, GENTLEMAN. ITEM NUMBER 13. FINAL PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER ZONING -- ZON25-0009. IT IS A STAFF-INITIATED APPLICATION THAT WAS WITHDRAWN. MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT WE DO NOT HAVE THE 
          PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS? >> CORRECT. 
          >> OKAY. SO, IS THERE ANY OTHER, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? DODDY IS HERE TONIGHT PINCH HITTING FOR JENNY. WE LOVE THAT YOU ARE HERE FOR THAT. IS THERE ANY, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY. SO I GUESS WE WILL MOVE ON FROM ITEM NUMBER 13. ALL ITEMS AFTER NUMBER 13 ARE WHILE WE MAY NOT TAKE ACTION THEY ARE ALL ZONING SO YOU WILL NEED TO BE SWORN IN. IF YOU ARE HERE TO SPEAK PUBLICLY ON ITEMS 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19 OR 20 CAN YOU PLEASE STAND AND MOVE TOWARD THE MIDDLE AND THE CLERK WILL SWEAR YOU IN. 
          I HAVE ONE LONE PERSON? OH, TWO. COMMON ELSE WANTING TO SPEAK ON 
          THESE ITEMS? >> OKAY. RAISE YOUR HAND. DO YOU SOLEMNLY SWEAR AND AFFIRM THAT THE TESTIMONY YOU ARE ABOUT TO 
          [01:30:01]
GIVE WILL BE THE WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH SO HELP 
          [14.  Final Public Hearing to consider adoption of COMP 25-0004 (District 5, Comm Burke) (D. Selig)]
          YOU GOD? >> THANK YOU. 
          >> WE ARE AT ITEM NUMBER 14 PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER ADOPTION OF COMP 25-0004 IN COMMISSIONER BURKE'S DISTRICT. 
          >> GOOD EVENING, STAFF IS REQUESTING THIS ITEM BE CONTINUED BUT NOT TO THE JULY 22ND, BUT TO AUGUST 26TH. OKAY. 
          SO THIS IS THE APPLICATION FOR A FUTURE LAND USE TO CHANGE HALF AN ACRE FROM BRANAN FIELD MASTER PLAN COMMUNITY, THIS ITEM WAS CONTINUED SO IT WILL BE HEARD ON THE JULY 1ST PLANNING COMMISSION? NO, IT WILL BE HEARD AUGUST. SO, IF YOU ARE INTERESTED IN THE APPLICATION FOR FUTURE LAND USE AMENDMNT FOR THE .51 ACRES AT THE BRANAN GOING TO MASTER PLANNED COMMUNITY YOU NEED TO TUNE INTO THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING FIRST IN AUGUST AND THE BOARD WILL HEAR IT AUGUST 26TH. I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS ITEM. IF YOU ARE HERE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM. PLEASE APPROACH. SEEING NONE. I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND I WILL BRING IT BACK FOR ACTION ON THE 
          CONTINUATION. >> MOVE TO CONTINUE. 
          >> SECOND. >> I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. 
          ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL OF THOSE IN FAVOR INDICATE. THOSE 
          [15.  Final Public Hearing to consider ZON 25-0015 (waste control) (D. Selig)]
OPPOSED. MOTION CARRIES 5-0. NEXT, ITEM NUMBER 15, FINAL PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER ZON25-0015 WASTE CONTROL. 
          >> GOOD EVENING. THIS ITEM IS, CHANGES TO ARTICLES 2 AND 8. IT COMES FROM FEEDBACK WE RECEIVED FROM FDAP. THEY REQUESTED THE LANGUAGE. ANNA LISA ASK WORKING ON IT FOR US. BASICALLY THE INTENT IS TO EXPAND THE LANGUAGE IN OUR CODE ADDRESSING IMPACTS TO SITE DEVELOPMENT. WE HAVE LANGUAGE ALREADY IN THE CODE REGARDING, LET ME FIND IT HERE. EROSION AND SENTIMENT CONTROL. 
          WE ARE ADDING WASTE CONTROL AT THE END OF THAT. IN RECALL TWO, WE HAVE TWO PLACES WHERE WE ARE ADDING JUST THAT WORD. THEN, THIS IS THE ACTUAL LANGUAGE FOR ARTICLE 8 PROVIDED TO US. AND I UNDERSTAND THERE WAS AN AUDIT FROM ONE OF OUR PERMITS THAT RESULTED IN THEIR REQUEST THAT WE ADDRESS THIS IN OUR CODE. SO WE ARE BRINGING IT FORWARD TO YOU FOR THOSE COUPLE OF CHANGES. 
          >> OKAY. >> QUESTIONS? 
          >> I HAVE A QUESTION. I KIND OF UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, SHINGLE TABS AND 2X4 CUT OFFS, BUT, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT CONCRETE WASHOUT, YOU KNOW, ACCOMMODATE THE OTHER THINGS WITH A DUMPSTER, HOW ARE WE GOING TO TREAT CONCRETE WASHOUT? 
          >> I WILL HAVE TO DEFER TO INITIALING. I DO NOT KNOW. 
          PUTTING A REQUIREMENT ON THE BUILDER, HOW IS HE SUPPOSED TO 
          DO THAT? >> RICHARD SMITH COUNTY ENGINEER. IT IS NOT TO BE DONE. IT IS TO BE DONE AT THEIR FACILITY. THEY DON'T WASH THEIR TRUCKS OUT ON OUR PROJECTS UNLESS THEY PREPARED A PROPER WASHOUT SITE. THAT INCLUDES AN AREA CONTAINED WITH CONCRETE BLOCKS, TYPICALLY, G.O. TEXT TILE TO KEEP IT FROM SOAKING TO THE GROUND AND CLEAN THEM OUT. 
          IT IS NOT, THEY ARE BUILDING A HOUSE, DON'T DUMP IT ON THE 
          BACKYARD. >> THAT IS WHAT THEY USED TO DO. 
          >> WELL, WELL, WE HAVE AN ORDINANCE NOW. 
          >> NO. WE DON'T. NOT ON THE NEW SUBDIVISIONS. A PLACE LIKE A BIG PROJECT, IKO, THEY WILL BUILD THE WASTE FACILITY, THAT PIT AND CLEAN IT OUT AT THE END OF THE DAY OR MONTH WHEN THE PROJECT IS OVER. WE DON'T WANT IT TO GET INTO OUR SURFACE WATER RUNOFF. 
          THAT IS THE POINT. AND THE LITTER IS THE LITTER. THE SHINGLES, THAT STUFF, THAT, WE, IT IS COMMON SENSE. WE INSPECTED IT NOW WE HAVE AN ORDINANCE THAT TELL WILL TELL US IF THEY DON'T 
          DO IT THERE ARE CONSEQUENCES. >> CONCRETE DUMPS ITS LOAD, WHATEVER IS REMAINING THEY HAVE TO TAKE BACK TO PRODUCTION 
          [01:35:02]
          FACILITY? >> WHEREVER. YES, OR IF THEY 
          HAVE AN INTERIM PLACE. >> CONCRETE WILL LAST THAT LONG 
          OR HARDEN? >> IT IS THEIR EQUIPMENT. IT IS NOT TO BE DUMPED ON OUR SITE THAT IS ALL. WE ARE NOT TELLING THEM HOW OR WHERE, WE ARE TELLING THEM WHERE NOT TO DISPOSE OF IT. WE ARE HOPING THEY ARE NOT STOPPING HALFWAY DOWN THE ROAD AND DUMPING IT IN THE DITCH. THEN WE HAVE ENVIRONMENTAL ENFORCEMENT, FULL TIME THAT TAKES CONTROL OF THOSE ISSUES NOW. WE CAN IF THAT BECOMES A PROBLEM. I DO HAVE A DETAIL THAT I USED IN THE PAST THAT IS APPROVED BY OTHER STATES. AND NORTH CAROLINA, GEORGIA AND SUCH THAT ADDRESSES IT. AND IT WILL INCLUDE THE GEO TEXTILE FABRIC PUT DOWN AND MEANS AND METHODS TO CLEAN IT OUT AND TAKE IT TO DISPOSE OF IT 
          PROPERLY >> THANK YOU. 
          >> OKAY. OTHER QUESTIONS? FOR STAFF? 
          >> I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. IS THERE ANYONE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? SEEING NONE, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND I WILL BRING IT BACK TO THE BOARD FOR 
          ACTION. >> MOVE APPROVAL OF THE 
          ZON25-0015. >> I WILL SECOND 
          >> A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL OF THOSE IN FAVOR INDICATE, 
          [16.  Public Hearing to consider COMP 25-0006 and ZON 25-0005 (District 4, Comm. Condon) (J. Bryla)]
          OPPOSED, MOTION CARRIES, 5-0. >>> ITEM NUMBER 16 IS A PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER COMP 25-0006 AND THE ASSOCIATED ZONING CHANGE. IN MY DISTRICT. BETH IS HERE. THESE APPLICATIONS HAVE BEEN WITHDRAWN BY THE APPLICANT. THIS IS THE, THOSE OF YOU WATCHING THAT WONDERS WHERE IT WAS. THIS IS THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT AT UC-10 I MEAN AT PINE-TREE LANE. AND FROM THE FEEDBACK THEY GOT THEY WITH DREW THE APPLICATION, MY UNDERSTANDING THEY ARE BRINGING IT BACK AS A PUD BUT I DON'T 
          KNOW THAT FOR SURE. >> THAT IS OUR UNDERSTANDING BUT NO APPLICATION AS OF YET. WE WILL SEE. 
          >> OKAY. I WOULD JUST SAY THAT, FOR THOSE WHO THINK THAT THE PROCESS DOES NOT WORK, THE PUBLIC CAME OUT IN DROVES FOR THAT CAC MEETING, MY UNDERSTANDING IS, THERE WERE MORE THAN 60 PEOPLE AT THAT MEETING AND, AND DODDY, THANK YOU, SHE LEFT BUT TELL HER THANK YOU. MY UNDERSTANDING SHE WAS THERE. SHE DID CROWD CONTROL AND REALLY, SHE REALLY EXPLAINED A LOT TO THE PUBLIC. I THINK, YOU KNOW, ABOUT OUR PROCESS. SO, IT WORKED BECAUSE THEY ARE WITHDRAWING THIS PLAN THAT WAS NOT WELCOMED BY THE COMMUNITY AND I THINK THEY ARE BRINGING BACK SOMETHING THAT SOUNDS LIKE IT WAS A GOOD THING. I APPRECIATE THAT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF OR COMMENTS? I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING IF YOU ARE HEAR TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, PLEASE APPROACH. SEEING NONE, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND BRING IT BACK. IT IS WITHDRAWN. WE JUST ACCEPT IT. 
          [17.  Final Public Hearing to consider COMP 25-0009 and ZON 25-0010 (District 5, Comm Burke) (J. Bryla)]
OKAY. MOVE ON. THAT WAS EASY. OKAY. ITEM NUMBER 17. FINAL PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER COMP 25-0009 AND ZON25-0010, IN 
          COMMISSIONER BURKE'S DISTRICT. >> YES, MA'AM. THE APPLICANT HAS REQUESTED AT THE PLANNING COMMISSIONING THAT THIS ITEM BE CONTINUED TO AUGUST. AND, SO, WE WOULD BE ASKING THAT YOU ALSO CONTINUE. SPECIFICALLY REQUESTED AUGUST 12TH VERSUS THE 26TH. 
          >> THE APPLICANT REQUESTED IT? >> YES. OKAY. AND I WOULD STILL, SO THIS IS I DON'T KNOW WHAT THIS IS. 10 ACRES. 
          >> IT IS AN ITEM PROPOSING TOWN HOMES AT 209 AND RUSSELL ROADS, AT THE RAILROAD TRACKS BASICALLY. IT MET WITH SOME NEIGHBORHOOD OBJECTIONS AND THEY WERE LOOKING TO MAKE CHANGES AND 
          COME BACK >> IF YOU ARE HERE TO SPEAK ON THE PROPOSED TOWN HOMES THAT WERE ADVERTISED FOR A ZONING CHANGE, -- CAN I ASK YOU, BETH, HOW DID IT APPLY OR NOT WITHIN 
          OUR MORATORIUM? >> THIS IS NOT IN THE MASTER PLANNED AREA IT IS OUTSIDE OF IT. WHERE IS IT? 
          [01:40:05]
          >> IT IS RIGHT SOUTH OF -- IT IS EAST OF THE RAILROAD TRACKS. 
          THAT IS NOT IN THE MASTER PLAN? >> IT IS IS ACROSS THE STREET, 
          ISN'T IT? >> YES. TAKE A LEFT AT THE 17 
          AND IT IS RIGHT THERE. >> OH. WHERE IS THE CUT OFF? 
          EDGEWATER? >> GOT TO BE CLOSE, THERE, 
          ACROSS THE STREET OR SOMETHING. >> OH, INTERESTING, OKAY. FOR ANYONE WHO WOULD, THAT WAS YOUR OBJECTION THAT IS WHY THEY CAN COME AND ASK FOR THIS. OKAY. I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING, IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? IF NOT, IT LOOKS LIKE AUGUST 5TH AND AUGUST 12TH ARE YOUR DATES. 
          SO, STAY TUNED. CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND BRING IT BACK FOR CONTINUATION. AUGUST 12TH. IF IT SO PLEASES THE BOARD. 
          >> I WILL MOVE TO CONTINUE. >> I WILL SECOND. 
          >> OKAY. A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL OF THOSE IN FAVOR INDICATE THOSE OPPOSED. MOTION CARRIES, 5-0. 
          [18.  Final Public Hearing to consider ZON 25-0008 (J. Bryla)]
          >>> ITEM NUMBER 18, FINAL PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER ZON25-0008. 
          THIS ITEM WAS CONTINUED TO, WAS ALSO CONTINUED TO THE AUGUST 5TH PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING. THAT PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING THEY NEED TO PACK A LUNCH. BUT STAFF IS REQUESTING THAT WE CONTINUE THIS TO AUGUST 26TH. THIS WAS A STAFF INITIATED AMENDMENT REGARDING NON-MOTORIZED BOAT RAMPS AT 
          COUNTY-OWNED PROPERTIES. >> YES. BECAUSE IT INVOLVES USES IT NEEDS TWO HEARINGS. THEY ARE HERE TO CONTINUE THE FIRST PUBLIC HEARING BEFORE YOU AND THIS IS CONTINUING THE SECOND 
          PUBLIC HEARING BEFORE YOU. >> OKAY. 
          >> ANY QUESTIONS FOR BETH? I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. IF YOU ARE HERE TO SPEAK ON NON-MOTORIZED BOAT RAMPS AT COUNTY-OWNED PROPERTIES PLEASE APPROACH. SEEING NONE, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND BRING IT BACK FOR CONTINUANCE TO 
          AUGUST 26TH. >> WE HAVE A MOTION, DO WE HAVE 
          A SECOND? >> SECOND THE MOTION. 
          >> OKAY. MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL OF THOSE IN FAVOR INDICATE. 
          [19.  Final Public Hearing to consider ZON 24-0033 (District 3, Comm. Renninger) (J. Bryla)]
THOSE OPPOSED. MOTION CARRIES 5-0.. 
          >> ITEM NUMBER 19 FOR ZON25-0033. THIS IS AT COMMISSIONER RENNINGER. WE LOOKED AT THIS AT I BELIEVE IT 
          IS OUR LAST MEETING. >> THAT IS CORRECT. AT THAT MEETING I BELIEVE IT WAS THE END OF MAY. THERE WERE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE ACCESS TO THE PROPERTY THROUGH THE ADJACENT DEVELOPMENT. THE APPLICANT WANTS A FURTHER CONTINUANCE TO INVESTIGATE THAT. ACTUALLY, THE AGENT. THE AGENT IS HERE AND HE WANTED TO SPEAK WITH YOU ON THAT FURTHER. 
          >> OKAY. ARE THERE QUESTIONS FOR BETH? 
          >> ALL RIGHT. I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND I DO HAVE THE ONE CARD FROM THE AGENT TO APPROACH. 
          >> THANK YOU. AGENT FOR THE APPLICATION. JUST TO GIVE YOU AN UPDATE WE ARE STILL DEALING WITH THE ENGINEER, TRYING TO RESOLVE THE ISSUE. THE OWNERSHIP OF 12 OAKS IS AN ENTITY OUT OF SOUTH CAROLINA, THERE IS A THIRD PARTY IN ADDITION TO MY APPLICANT AND THE OWNERS OF THE CONDO ASSOCIATION NEXT DOOR. I WAS ASKED BY THE ENGINEER IF WE CAN CONTINUE TO THE JULY 22ND MEETING. AND, I WILL COME BACK AND GIVE YOU AN UPDATE IF NOTHING HAS PROGRESSED. BUT THAT WAS THE REQUEST AND HOPEFULLY BY THEN WE CAN RESOLVE THE ISSUE. WE HAVE BEEN IN CONTACT WITH THE CONDO NEXT DOOR. THEY ARE AWARE THAT IS WHY THEY ARE NOT HERE TONIGHT. I WILL KEEP THEM IN REGULAR CONTACT. 
          >> IS THERE ONE OWNER OF THE ROADS OR MULTIPLE? 
          >> IT APPEARS TO BE ONE ENTITY. I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS COMPRISED OF. I AM NOT SURE IT IS AN LLC. BUT IT IS SOMETHING OUT OF SOUTH CAROLINA. I DON'T THINK IT SAY ONE-OWNER TYPE 
          THING. >> OKAY. 
          >> THEY OWN THE ROAD BUT NOT ANYTHING ELSE? THEY DON'T OWN THE TWO ASSOCIATIONS? INTERESTING. 
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          >> IT IS STRANGE. >> YES. 
          >> NOT THE FIRST CONVERSATION TODAY THAT I HAD ABOUT ROAD 
          OWNERSHIP, I FEEL YOUR PAIN. >> ALL RIGHT. 
          >> APPARENTLY IT WAS DIFFERENT >> SINGLE-FAMILY HOME, 
          APARTMENTS, YOU CAN GET ANYTHING >> INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH WHAT I LEARNED TODAY IS THAT ONE OF THE REASONS IT REALLY MATTERS WHO OWNS THE ROAD OR IF YOU HAVE A DEED EAVESMENT IT IS BECAUSE IF YOU ARE FINANCING A PROPERTY THE MORTGAGE COMPANY'S WANT TO SEE THAT YOU HAVE EASEMENT TO YOUR PROPERTY SO YOU CAN GET ON IT. 
          IT IS NOT AS CUT AND DRY. LIKE, WHAT IS THE DIG DEAL. WHEN EVERYONE IS FRIENDS AND GETTING ALONG IT IS NOT. PROPERTY CHANGES HAND AND SOMEONE WANTS TO BLOCK ACCESS THEN WE HAVE 
          OTHER ISSUES. >> OR WHEN IT NEEDS MAINTENANCE. 
          >> RIGHT. >> YOU HAVE THREE TO FOUR 
          OWNERS. >> RIGHT. 
          >> OKAY. ANYONE ELSE WANT TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? ANYONE ELSE IN THE PUBLIC? ALL RIGHT. I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND BRING IT BACK FOR ACTION, FOR CONTINUANCE TO JULY 22ND IF IT 
          PLEASES THE BOARD. >> I WILL MOVE APPROVAL. 
          >> SECOND THE MOTION. >> A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY 
          FURTHER DISCUSSION . >> I JUST LIKE TO SAY I AM HAPPY TO SEE IT END LIKE THIS IN YOUR DISTRICT, FINALLY. 
          >> THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR TWO MONTHS NOW, I THINK, MAYBE 
          LONGER. >> TRY TWO YEARS, RIGHT? 
          >> ALL RIGHT. OKAY. SO, HEARING NONE. NO FURTHER DISCUSSION, ALL OF THOSE INDICATE. THOSE OPPOSED. MOTION CARRIES 5-0. WE 
          [20.  Final Public Hearing to consider COMP 25-0010 and ZON 25-0007 (District 5, Comm Burke) (Jenni Bryla)]
          WILL SEE NEW JULY. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE WILL 
          STAY IN CONTACT WITH STAFF. >> THANK YOU, APPRECIATE THAT. 
          >> ITEM NUMBER 20, FINAL PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER COMP 25-0010 AND ZON25-0007, IN COMMISSIONER BURKE'S DISTRICT 
          >> THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. THE APPLICANT FOR THIS, 13.86 ACRE PARCEL. THIS ITEM IS COMP 25-10 WITH A CHANGE IN FUTURE LAND USE FOR THIS ONE PARCEL FROM AG TO RURAL RESIDENTIAL, AND THERE IS A PENDING REZONING TO CHANGING IT FROM AG TO AR THAT WILL FOLLOW, INCLUDED IN THIS. AND THIS IS THE LOCATION OF THE SITE. IT IS LOCATED OFF OF COUNTY ROAD 16-A. THESE ARE MAPS OF THE EXISTING LAND USE ON THE LEFT AND THE LAND USE ON THE RIGHT. THE YELLOW IS ALL OF THE RURAL RESIDENTIAL AND THAT IS WHAT IT IS PROPOSING TO GO TO. THE WHITE VOIDED, THE WHITE AREA, IT IS THE AG. AND THIS IS AN APPLICATION WHICH ONE UNIT FOR FIVE ACRES. IF CERTAIN CONDITIONS ARE MET WITH RURAL RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY, THOSE CONDITIONS CLUSTERING AND PRESERVATION OF OPEN SPACE, THEY CAN POTENTIALLY DEVELOP UP TO 13 UNITS PER ACRE, BUT THAT REQUIRES THERE BE 35% OF THE SITE PRESERVED IN OPEN SPACE AND THERE HAS TO BE A PERIMETER BUFFER AROUND THE SITE. AND THE SUBDIVISION, SMALLER LOTS THAN ONE ACRE IF YOU ARE DOING THE MATH. IT WOULD BE CLUSTERED INSIDE. OTHERWISE IT WILL BE ONE UNIT FOR FIVE ACRES IN THEY DON'T MEET THE CERTAIN CONDITIONS. 
          >> ONE ACRE HERE? I AM SORRY. IF THEY CAN MEET THE CONDITIONS OF THE CLUSTERING AND THE PERIMETER BUFF PER, THEY CAN GET ONE UNIT AN ACRE FOR THE DENSITY. THAT IS THE ENTITLEMENT THEY CAN GET THE 13 UNITS BASED ON THE 13 ACRE PARCEL. BUT, THEY ULTIMATELY, IF THEY ARE DOING THIS, IT WOULD NOT BE ONE ACRE PARCELS, 
          >> PUT IT ALL TOGETHER >> IT WILL END UP BEING SMALLER LOTS CLUSTERED. AND BASED ON THE ZONING IF THEY WERE TO ACHIEVE ALL OF THIS, IT WOULD BE HALF ACRE LOTS, COULD NOT GO SMALLER THAN ACHE AN ACRE. JUST WANTED TO EXPLAIN THAT. THERE WAS DISCUSS AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING ABOUT TOWN HOMES AND THAT IS NOT PERMITTED. IT IS ONE UNIT PERFIVE OR 1-1. 
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THIS IS THE ZONING MAP ON THE LEFT. AND THE MAP ON THE RIGHT. 
          SO, YOU WOULD SEE THAT IT IS GOING TO WHAT IS SIMILAR TO THE NORTH AND THE EAST OF THE PROPERTY. THE CURRENT ZONING IS AG. THE PROPOSAL IS TO GO TO A. R. IT IS WITHIN THE URBAN SURFACE AREA OF THE COUNTY. UTILITIES PROVIDED BY CCUA. 
          PARCEL IS WITHIN THREE MILES OF SCHOOLS AND EMERGENCY FACILITIES. STAFF EVALUATED THIS AGAINST THE EIGHT CRITERIA AND FOUND IT CONSISTENT WITH THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. AND, SO, AS FAR AS THE CRITERIA, IT IS USED TO EVALUATE THE LAND USE CHANGE. I AM GOING TO DEFER TO THE APPLICATION OR, I AM SORRY, THE STAFF REPORT. IT IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH THIS. SO, STAFF FINDING IS, THE REQUEST IS NOT SEEKING TO ESTABLISH DEVELOPMENT IT WILL EXTEND IT TO THE NORTH AND TO THE EAST OF THE PROPERTY. 
          THE REQUEST IS NOT ESTABLISHING URBAN DEVELOPMENT IN A RURAL AREA BUT WITH THE INVESTMENT THAT IS IN PLACE OF TH SERVICE BOUNDARY. SCHOOL, FIRE STATIONS, ROAD NETWORKS, THIRD FINDING IS THE REQUEST WILL TAKE FULL ADVANTAGE OF THE PUBLIC FACILITIES WITHIN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO THE SITE. FOURTH FINDING IS THE REQUEST WILL SERVE AS A TRANSITION FROM THE HIGHER INTENSITIES TO THE NORTH AND EAST AND THE RURAL LANDS TO THE WEST AND TO THE SOUTH AND FINAL FINDING, REGARDING THE LAND USE IS PROPOSED AMENDMENT IS A IN-FILE PROJECT AS THE LAND IS LOCATED BETWEEN THE FIRST EXPRESS WAY AND INTENSE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT TO THE EAST. AND, THE REQUEST ALLOWS THE UTILIZATION OF EXISTING PUBLIC RESOURCES AS MENTIONED ABOVE AND DOES NOT ENCROACH INTO THE LOWER DENSITIES. 1 ACRE OVERALL IF IT MET THE CRITERIA. THE CITIZENS ADVISORY COMMITTEE HEARD BOTH OF THESE ITEMS AT THEIR MAY 14TH MEETING AND PROVIDED A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL 6-0 AND THEY HEARD TERROR ON JUNE 3RD AND RECOMMENDED 6-0 IN FAVOR OF IT. 
          THEY FOUND THAT THE CRITERIA FOR THE RURAL RESIDENTIAL LAND USE HAS BEEN MET AND STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL. THIS REQUEST AND LIKEWISE STAFF DETERMINED THROUGHTHE ANALYSIS IN THE STAFF REPORT THAT THE CRITERIA FOR AR-ZONING HAS BEEN MET AND IT IS CONSISTENT AND RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THIS. DO 
          YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? >> ANY QUESTIONS FOR BETH? 
          >> SO, RIGHT NOW, WITH AG THEY CAN DO TWO HOMES FOR THIS 
          PROPERTY? >> WITH AG, I AM NOT SURE IF THEY HAVE DETERMINED THIS WAS A CONFORMING LOT OR A NONCONFORMING LOT. AG REQUIRES 20 ACRES. I AM THINKING, I WILL NOT SPEAK TO THAT, I AM NOT SURE BUT 1 UNIT FOR 20 ACRES. 
          >> ALL OF THE ONE HOME IS ALL THEY COULD DO 
          >> IT MAY HAVE BEEN DEEMED A LOT. I DON'T HAVE IT IN THE NOTES AND DON'T RECALL JENNY MENTIONING THAT. AND OTHER 
          QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? >> I AM HER AGENT. OKAY. IF YOU WANT TO COME UP, YOU DON'T NEED A CARD SINCE YOU ARE HERE AS AN AGENT. JUST IF YOU WILL TELL US YOUR NAME. 
          >> MY NAME IS DANIEL KITCHENS, AGENT. IS THERE ANYTHING YOU WANTED TO ADD TO THE PRESENTATION? 
          >> NO, I THINK THEY DID A GOOD JOB. BETTER THAN I CAN DO. IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS FOR ME AS HER AGENT LET ME KNOW I WILL TRY TO 
          ANSWER THEM THE BEST THAT I CAN. >> DOES SHE LIVE THERE? 
          >> YES, MA'AM. >> I AM ASSUMING BECAUSE WE KNOW THE STAFF, 4500 HOMES ON THE OTHER PROPERTY THAT HAS BEEN SOLD. SO, I GUESS SHE IS RELATED TO THEM E MOST LIKELY? 
          >> YES, SHE IS RELATED TO THEM. YES, MA'AM. 
          >> WHY DOES SHE WANT TO DO THIS? >> HER PIECE, THE 13.86 IS SEPARATE FROM ALL OF THE G-BAR RANCH. THEY EACH LIKE HER SISTERS AND ALL GOT THEIR OWN PARCELS OF LAND TO DO WITH WHAT 
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THEY WANT. SHE IS LOOKING TO MOVE OUT FROM THE FAMILY AND ALL 
          AND DO HER OWN THING. >> SO, THE REST NEXT TO HER, 
          THAT IS STILL FAMILY PROPERTY? >> YES, MA'AM. 
          >> YES, MA'AM. >> OKAY. THANK YOU. 
          >> COMMISSIONER? >> WHAT IS THE CURRENT PLAN FOR THE PROPERTY IF IT DOES GET REZONED? 
          >> SO, I HAVE HAD IT FOR SALE FOR QUITE SOME TIME NOW. AND I KEEP GETTING BUILDERS WHO WANT TO BUY IT AND BUILD ON IT OR DO SOMETHING WITH IT OTHER THAN JUST A REGULAR HOME BUYER TO COME IN AND BUILD ONE CUSTOM HOME ON IT. I CAN NOT SEEM TO FIND ANYBODY. I HAD ONE GUY THAT WANTED TO BUY IT FOR CATTLE TO BE PUT OUT THERE. HE OFFERED LESS. AND, SO, REALLY, MY GOAL FOR HER IS TO BE ABLE TO EXPAND HER BUYER LIST FOR LIKE CUSTOM HOME BUILDER TO COME IN AND THEY WANT TO BUY IT AND PUT 12 OR 13 HOMES ON IT. THEN THAT IS WHAT THEY CAN DO VERSUS JUST HAVING ONE BUYER AND PUT ONE CUSTOM HOME ON IT. I HAVE MARKETED IT TO EVERYWHERE AND I CAN NOT FIND THE ONE BUYER FOR IT. 
          >> YEP. >> I WOULD IMAGINE IF YOU ARE A CUSTOM HOME BUYER THAT IS NOT THE LOCATION. 
          >> NOPE. NOPE. PROBABLY NOT RIGHT THERE. 
          >> OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE AGENT? 
          >> THANK YOU. >> YES, MA'AM. 
          >> IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? I REALLY THOUGHT THE ROOM WOULD BE PACKED. IT IS NOT. SO, SEEING NONE, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND BRING IT BACK TO THE BOARD FOR DISCUSSION AND ACTION. 
          >> JUST TO CLARIFY THE QUESTION, BETH, WHAT IS THE CURRENT ZONING WHAT CAN BE BUILT CAN YOU REPEAT THAT AGAIN? 
          >> CURRENT ZONING IS AG. SO, BASICALLY LARGE LOT, ONE HOUSE. 
          >> NOT AR, JUST AG. >> CORRECT, IT WOULD GO TO AR IF 
          THE CHANGE WERE APPROVED. >> AR OR RURAL RESIDENTIAL? 
          >> SO, THE LAND USE WOULD BE GOING FROM AG TO RURAL RESIDENTIAL AND THE ZONING WOULD BE GOING FROM AG TO AGRICULTURAL 
          RESIDENTIAL. >> SO, RR IS WHAT ALLOWS ONE HOME AN ACRE, AR IS 1 FOR 5 OR 1 FOR 10. BUT THE AG IT IS DEFINITELY 1-20 IF NOT A PLOTTED SUBDIVISION. I STUDIED THAT PART 
          OF THE CODE A LOT. >> SO, I WILL, I WILL SPEAK. SO WE HAVE AG ON BOTH SIDES ON TWO SIDES AND THEN WE HAVE AR ON TWO SIDES OF THE PROPERTY. IT CAN GO EITHER WAY. AS FAR AS BEING COMPATIBLE. THIS BEING MY DISTRICT, I UNDERSTAND NOT BEING ATTRACTED TO A BUYER BECAUSE OF COURSE THEY WANT THE MOST FOR THEIR BUCK. BUT I, BEING MY DISTRICT AND WITH ALL OF THE DEVELOPMENT THAT I HAVE, I, IT WOULD NOT BE MY WISH TO CHANGE IT TO AR, I WILL DEFER IT, BUT THAT IS MY FEELING. I FEEL LIKE WE HAVE TONS OF OTHER DEVELOPMENT AROUND THE AREA AND STILL MORE COMING, 4500 HOMES COMING RIGHT AROUND DOWN THE AREA, NOT FAR FROM THERE. AND, I MEAN, WE HAVE ANOTHER DEVELOPER COMING LATER ON TRYING TO GET AT THE SAME PROPERTY. I DON'T THINK WE HAVE A LACK OF DEVELOPMENT. 
          >> THAT WAS INTRIGUING TO ME. AND I KNOW JENNY IS NOT HERE, BETH I WILL NOT HOLD YOU TO ASK YOU WHAT IS IN THE STAFF REPORT BUT I WAS CURIOUS. I TALKED ABOUT THE ONE WHERE SHE SAID SUPPLY. BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE THERE IS MORE THAN ADEQUATE SUPPLY WITHIN A FEW MILES OF THAT LOCATION. 
          >> I CAN THINK OF 10,000 HOMES THAT ARE, I THINK, SUPPLY IS PROBABLY MORE THERE THAN MAYBE ANY OTHER PLACE IN THE COUNTY. 
          >> SHE MAY HAVE BEEN REFERRING TO THE HALF ACRE LOT SIZE, OBVIOUSLY MORE IN THE LAKE AREA YOU ARE NOT DEALING WITH HALF 
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ACRE YOU ARE DEALING WITH SMALLER HALF ACRE. AS FAR AS THIS TYPE OF PRODUCT, IT IS, IF YOU WERE TO LOOK AT THE LAND USE MAP IT IS SIMILAR TO OTHER DEVELOPMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN DONE THERE WHERE THEY HAVE DONE PRESERVATION AND BUILT THE 
          SMALLER LOTS. >> THAT IS, THAT IS THE SMALLEST 
          THEY CAN GO. THEY COULD NOT DO . >> THEY COULD NOT GO SMALLER 
          >> IT IS ONLY ONE HOUSE TO HAVE THE HALF ACRE. 
          >> THAT IS ONLY IF THEY PUT 35% OF IT IN CONSERVATION THAT WILL BE VERY DIFFICULT ON 13 ACRES. LIKE, I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T KNOW, I THINK -- I THINK IT WOULD BE MORE LIKELY TO BE WHAT MRS. KITCHEN SUGGESTS OF ONE ACRE LOTS. VISUALLY TO ME IT DID NOT LOOK TO ME LIKE THEY COULD CONSERVE 35% OF IT. WHAT IS THE 
          MATH ON THAT. >> THEY WOULD START WITH THE BUFFER AROUND IT THAT CAN GO TOWARDS THE 35% AND JUST ADD TO 
          THAT AND CLUSTER THEIR LOTS. >> BUT THAT IS LIKE, FIVE ACRES ALREADY OF THE 13 HAS TO GO TO CONSERVATION. 
          >> AND THEN YOU HAVE TO PUT ROADS IN. 
          >> NOT TOO MANY. >> YES. 13 LOTS ONE ROAD WITH 
          SIX LOTS. >> COME UP TO THE MICROPHONE. 
          >> ANOTHER OPTION WE WERE WANTING TO BE ABLE TO BE HAVE WITH THIS RE-ZONE. I HAVE PEOPLE CALLING ON SOME OF THE OTHER PROPERTIES THAT I HAVE, THEY MIGHT WANT FIVE OR SIX ACRES AND I CAN NOT FIND THEM FIVE OR SIX ACRES THERE THAT IS NEARLY AFFORDABLE OR DOES NOT HAVE WET LANDS ON IT. SO, THAT WOULD BE ANOTHER THING THAT I THINK THIS REZONE WOULD BE ABLE TO ALLOW HER TO DO IF I GET A CALL IN SAYING I WOULD LIKE TO BUY FIVE ACRES OF THE PROPERTY, WE CAN SURVEY THAT AND DO THE NEW LEGAL DESCRIPTION ALL OF THAT IF SOMEBODY WANTED TO BUY FIVE 
          ACRES AND BUILD A HOUSE ON IT. >> IT SOUNDS WONDERFUL BUT, I MEAN, IS SHE WILLING TO SIGN SOMETHING ABOUT THAT, FIVE ACRE LOT IS WHAT SHE WANTS TO SELL FOR, I MEAN WE ARE USED TO THEM TRYING TO GET AS MANY AS THEY CAN 
          >> YES. YES. SHE IS WILLING TO SELL IT SEPARATE ACRES LIKE THAT IF SHE NEEDS TO TO MAKE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF MONEY OR IF WE HAVE TO TRY TO SELL IT TO A BUILDER WHO WANTS TO DO HALF ACRE OR ONE ACRE LOTS WHICH I DO THINK IT WILL BE ONE ACRE LOTS, I DON'T KNOW IF A BUILDER WILL FIND IT WORTH THE MONEY FOR THEM TO ONLY HAVE THAT SMALL AMOUNT OF HOMES IN IT. I THINK IT WILL PROBABLY HAVE TO GO THE OTHER WAY. I AM STILL GOING TO MARKET IT THE BEST THAT I CAN TO CUSTOM HOME BUILDERS LIKE ASHLEY HOMES, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE SEEN THEM. THEY WILL BUILD NICE CUSTOM HOMES WITH A GARAGE AND IT WILL BE ON AN ACRE OR HALF ACRE LOTS AND I PLAN TO TRY TO MARKET IT TO BUILDERS LIKE THAT 
          IF I CAN. >> OKAY. 
          >> YEP. >> THIS REMINDS ME OF THE REZONING WE HAD OFF OF 220. WHERE IT WAS JUST LIKE THREE 
          HOUSES. >> YEP. 
          >> OR WHATEVER. >> YEP. NOT OUR TYPICAL REZONING. IRONICALLY ENOUGH I BELIEVE THE ACREAGE IS ABOUT THE SAME AS THE ONE IN MY DISTRICT AND TRYING TO PUT 50 OR 60 HOMES IN THERE. YEP. THAT IS THE ONE THAT WAS WITHDRAWN. ALL RIGHT. 
          MORE CONVERSATION? DISCUSSION? MOTION? 
          >> ONE MORE CLARIFYING QUESTION, BETH, WITH THE CURRENT PROPOSAL IT WOULD BE SMALLEST LOT WOULD BE HALF AN ACRE YOU SAID? 
          >> THAT IS THE ABSOLUTE SMALLEST IF THEY WANTED TO DO THE ONE ACRE LOTS, AGAIN, THEY WOULD HAVE TO PRESERVE THE 35% OF OPEN SPACE AND THEN THAT WOULD LIMIT THEIR NUMBER OF LOTS. 
          >> PROBABLY LIKE SIX. >> IF THEY WERE DOING ONE-ACRE 
          LOTS, YES. >> AT MOST YOU ARE LOOKING AT 
          PROBABLY ABOUT 12 HOMES AT MOST. >> SIX HOMES AT THE LEAST. I GUESS YOU CAN DO ONE HOME THAT IS WHAT IS CURRENTLY THERE. 
          >> COULD I ASK A QUESTION. CAN YOU TELL US HOW MUCH YOU HAVE BEEN TRYING TO SELL IT FOR, 13 ACRES? 
          >> I HAVE IT LISTED FOR SALE FOR $915,000. I HAVE HAD MULTIPLE 
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BUILDERS THAT WANT TO TRY TO BUY IT AND GET IT REZONED FOR TOWN HOMES BUT THE OWNER, ONE, SAID NO TO THAT AND TWO, I DON'T THINK IT SUPPORTS THE SURROUNDING AREA FOR THAT ANY WAYS. I HAVE HAD, THE FIRST DAY I LIST TODAY ON THE MARKET I HAD ALL OF THEM CALLING ME, KB AND ALL OF THEM CALLING TRYING TO BUY IT AND PUT DOWN A RETAINER TO HER TO TRY TO DO THE ZONING PROCESS BUT SHE STUCK TO HER GUNS AND SAID NO TO THAT. 
          >> DOES SHE PLAN TO STAY IN THE AREA? 
          >> SHE DOES PLAN TO STAY IN THE AREA, YES, MA'AM. 
          >> I ONLY ASK BECAUSE WE HAD A DIFFERENT LANDOWNER THAT TURNED OUT, DID NOT EVEN LIVE NEAR HERE BUT WAS TRYING TO PLAY THE, YOU KNOW, I AM FROM HERE AND I AM JUST TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, TAKE CARE OF MY FAMILY. AND THAT KIND OF THING. 
          >> YEP. >> IT WAS NOT EXACTLY THE WAY IT 
          WAS PORTRAYED. >> NO, SHE HAS BEEN HERE, A LONG 
          TIME RESIDENT. YES, MA'AM. >> DRINK THEIR MILK GROWING UP. 
          >> OKAY. AM I ABLE TO ASK HER FOR A MINIMUM LOT SIZE OR A MAXIMUM OR ANYTHING? IS SHE ABLE TO SIGN FOR THAT? OR NO? 
          >> IT WOULD HAVE TO REALLY BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH CODE. I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU CAN LIMIT HER. FROM THAT. 
          >> BECAUSE IT IS NOT A PUD. NOT A PUD. A PUD YOU COULD. GOT TO FOLLOW THE CODE. IS IT SEWER AND WATER? 
          >> IT SAYS IT DOES SERVE IT. IT SURPRISED ME. 
          >> THEN I READ SOMETHING ELSE. I THOUGHT N JENNY'S. I DID NOT LEAVE IT OPEN. LET'S SEE IF I CAN OPEN IT AGAIN. I THOUGHT IT SAID IT WOULD HAVE  TO INTO THE AREA. WHOEVER BUYS THIS IS GOING TO HAVE TO RUN THE LINES, I THINK, IT IS NOT CURRENTLY 
          SERVED, IS IT? >> WATER, SEPTIC, NOT SEWER. 
          THEY WOULD HAVE TO RUN THE SEWER LINES? 
          >> THEY HAVE TO MEET THE POINTS TO GET THIS HIGHER DENSITY. 
          FORGIVE ME I MAY OF MISSPOKEN. ONE WAY TO GET IT IS IF YOU HAVE WATER AND SEWER. THAT GETS 50 POINTS. THERE IS A LOT. WE PLANNERS MAKE IT COMPLICATED. WE HAVE TO HAVE POINTS AND THINGS LIKE THIS TO QUALIFY TO GET THE HIGHER DENSITY. 
          >> THAT IS IMPORTANT TO ME, BETH. I MAY WANT TO ASK YOU MORE ABOUT THAT. SO, I AM KIND OF -- YOU KNOW WE COMMITTED BASED ON WHAT THE LEGISLATURE ASKED US TO DO TWO YEARS AGO AND I DON'T REMEMBER THE HOUSE BILL NUMBER, CURRENTLY, I THINK IT IS 1284. 
          BUT, THE COMMITMENT ON THE COUNTY'S BEHALF IS TO STRONGLY LIMIT MORE SEPTIC TANKS GOING IN THE GROUND. AND ESPECIALLY IN THESE LARGER SCALE DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS JUST REALLY NOT APPROVING. SO, THAT, THAT COULD BE A DEAL BREAKER FOR ME. SO, LIKE, THEY DON'T HAVE SEWER CURRENTLY. SO, HOW MANY SEPTIC 
          TANKS COULD IT END UP BEING? >> POTENTIALLY UP TO THE 13. BUT I BELIEVE THERE IS SERVICE THERE BETWEEN THE GOVERNOR'S PARK SERVICE OR THE OTHER JACKS POLATCA. THEY HAVE SERVICE IN THE AREA. THEY ARE EXCEEDING WHAT OUR SERVICE AREA IS. COUNTY IS TO PROVIDE FIRE, POLICE, ET CETERA, BUT THEY ARE ALSO IN THAT AREA BUT MORE SO. SO, I BELIEVE THE SERVICES ARE AVAILABLE. THEY JUST HAVE TO BE BROUGHT TO THE AREA. 
          >> OKAY. >> DOWN THE STREET OR WHATEVER. 
          >> IT INTRIGUES ME. APPARENTLY, BACK IN THE DAY, WHATEVER THE DAY WAS, THINKING IN THE '90S OR THE EARLY 2000S WAS FAMOUS FOR PUTTING IN WATER AND NOT SEWER. LIKE, I KNOW OF PRETTY RURAL AREAS IN THE CITY, WITHIN KEYSTONE HEIGHTS THAT HAVE WATER SERVICE AND NO SEWER. SO I GUESS THEY WOULD SAY IT IS NEARBY. BUT CCUA HAS NO INTENTION OF EXPANDING. BUT SINCE THEY BUILT 
          GOVERNOR'S PARK. >> I BELIEVE IT IS THERE. I BELIEVE IT IS THERE. IT IS INTRIGUING. YOU NORMALLY HAVE 
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THE ROOM PACKED OUT AND YOU DON'T TONIGHT. 
          >> WHERE WOULD THEY ENTER FROM? >> THEY WOULD COME OFF OF 16 A. 
          WOULD YOU LIKE A MAP? >> IT IS THE ONE BEHIND THE HIGH 
          SCHOOL? >> YES. YES. THEY ARE LARGER 
          THAN HALF AN ACRE. >> YES. 
          >> IT IS NOT. >> NO, AG IS 1 FOR 20. I HAPPEN TO BE ZONED I LIVE IN A PLOTTED SUBDIVISION. I LIVE ON MORE THAN 
          AN ACRE. >> SO, IF YOU LOOK TO THE RIGHT A LITTLE BIT, NORTH AND RIGHT. SO YOU ARE LOOKING AT HAGAN'S 
          RICH COURT. >> OKAY. SO IT IS. 
          >> OKAY. OKAY. >> OKAY. 
          ANY IDEAS? >> THEY HAVE TO GET THE POINTS THEY NEED FOR THE HIGHER DENSITY? FOR THE WATER AND SEWER. IT GIVES YOU POINTS IF YOU HAVE BOTH. YOU HAVE THE OPTION OF DOING JUST WATER OR SEWER TO GET POINTS. 
          >> TO GO TO RURAL RESIDENTIAL. THEY NEED 60 POINTS. THEY ARE WITHIN THREE MILES OF THE MEDICAL SERVICES. THAT IS SOME 20 POINTS, SAME THING. FIRE PROTECTION, THAT IS 40 POINTS. 
          THERE WOULD BE SCHOOLS, CERTAINLY, ANOTHER 20 POINTS, RIGHT THERE, 60 POINTS WITHOUT HAVING MODERATE SEWER. AND 
          PROVIDING WATER AND SEWER. >> FOR ONE HOUSE AN ACRE 
          >> TO GET THE HIGHER DENSITY, CORRECT. 
          >> TO GET THE HALF ACRE DENSITY. >> THAT IS WHAT IT WOULD BE. 
          THEY CAN DO THE ONE ACRE DENSITY PERMITTED. POTENTIALLY MAXIMUM OF 13 LOTS. AND AGAIN, THEY HAVE TO CLUSTER. THEY HAVE TO GO LESS THAN THE LOT SIZE OF ONE ACRE. THEY DON'T GET MORE LOTS, ONLY THE 13 LOTS, REDUCED LOT SIZE BECAUSE OF THE OPEN SPACE AND 
          PERIMETER? >> IT IS CLUSTERING. THEY CAN NOT HAVE ANY MOMENT THERE, HOW MANY ARE IN THAT RIDGE? A LOT MORE THAN 13. AND AT THE VERY END IT IS A PRESERVATION AREA. 
          >> WHAT ARE THE LOT SIZES OF THE ONES THAT ARE DIRECTLY BETWEEN THE HIGH SCHOOL AND THIS PROPERTY? 
          >> I AM NOT SURE ON THAT. YOU DON'T GO BACK IN THAT AREA, RIGHT? YOU GO DOWN FURTHER ON 16 TO GET INTO IT, CORRECT? 
          >> 16. >> 16A. 
          >> THE ROAD AT THE VERY END. >> I DON'T SEE WHERE. 
          >> RIGHT THERE. >> I WILL SAY THE HIGGINS RIDGE 
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COURT IS NOT DONE FOR OUR CODE. DOES NOT HAVE THE PERIMETER 
          BUFFER AROUND IT LIKE IT SHOULD. >> WHY ARE WE NOT SURPRISED. 
          >> THE CODE DID CHANGE BACK IN THE DAY, WE NO LONGER CALL IT THE RESERVATION THAT THEY CALLED IT. THE OPEN SPACE. WE HAVE IT 
          WORDED DIFFERENT NOW. >> OKAY. 
          >> YEAH. >> DID YOU HEAR HIGGINS RIDGE. 
          >> IT IS .59 ACRES AND HIGHER. NOT ALL HALF ACRE. THEY GO 
          HIGHER. >> MY PHONE A FRIEND IS HELPING. 
          >> PHONE A FRIEND, HOW ABOUT THE LOTS DIRECTLY ACROSS 16A FROM THIS PARCEL. THAT ARE RIGHT BEHIND THE SCHOOL. PROBABLY AN 
          ACRE. >> AN ACRE AND A HALF. SO, THEY ARE, I MEAN, IT REALLY IS WITHIN . 
          >> THEY ARE NEIGHBORS. >> YEAH. 
          >> THOSE ARE ALL BIGGER THAN HALF AN ACRE, THOUGH 
          >> THEY ARE SAYING THEY ARE .59 >> A LITTLE MORE THAN HALF AN 
          ACRE. >> YEAH. [INAUDIBLE] 
          >> THEY WOULD COME FURTHER BACK AND COME THROUGH THE BACK LOOP 
          TO COME IN BEHIND THERE. >> RIGHT THERE. 
          >> IF I HAD TO GUESS, I WOULD GUESS THAT MANY OF THOSE LOTS THAT ARE SOUTH OF THE SCHOOL WERE JOINED. THAT THEY WERE ALL THE SMALLER LOTS AT ONE TIME AND THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN BOUGHT AND 
          JOINED. >> THEY LOOK LIKE IT. SOME OF 
          THEM. >> OKAY. I GUESS YOU ARE ALL WAITING ON ME TO MAKE A MOTION. MY MOTION IS TO DENY. BASED ON, WE HAVE PLENTY OF SUPPLY OF DEVELOPMENT. 
          >> OKAY, I HAVE A MOTION, DO I HAVE A SECOND? 
          >> I WILL SECOND THE MOTION. >> OKAY, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A 
          SECOND. FURTHER DISCUSSION? >> IT IS A MOTION FOR A., THE 
          LAND USE? >> I WOULD IMAGINE, YES. 
          >> WHAT DID YOU SAY? >> FOR LAND USE. 
          >> OH, LAND USE. OKAY. SO WE HAVE A MOTION TO DENY AND WE HAVE A SECOND. FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL OF THOSE IN FAVOR INDICATE. THOSE OPPOSED. MOTION CARRIES, 4-1. I GUESS WE WILL NOT CONSIDER THE REZONING, CORRECT? BECAUSE THE LAND USE WAS DENIED? OKAY. SO, HERE IS MY RECOMMENDATION. BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT OUR TYPICAL REZONER. SO, I WANT FOR THE SAKE OF THE PUBLIC. 
          BASICALLY, WHAT I THINK COMMISSIONER BURKE DID NOT CARE FOR IS THAT THERE IS NOT A LIMITATION ON IT. YOU MAY WANT TO HAVE YOUR CLIENT COME BACK WITH A MINIMUM. THE BEST WAY TO DO IT IS WITH A PUD, A PLANNED UNIT DEVELOP.:  COME UN-- UNIT DEVELOPMENT. IF WOULD NOT DO THE HALF ACRES AND THAT KIND OF THING. THERE WAS ENOUGH DISCUSSION, NOT JUST A FLAT NO, BUT, WE ARE LIMITED ON THE DECISIONS THAT WE CAN MAKE, IS THAT FAIR? SO, WE PRESSURE CRATE YOUR PATIENCE WITH US AND UNDERSTANDING. I THINK THAT IS WHERE THE HEARTBURN WAS. 
          >> MORE LIKE RESTRICTING THEM TO ONE ACRE? 
          >> THREE MINIMUM. >> ALL RIGHT, YOU CAN WORK WITH 
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STAFF. STAFF, I THINK STAFF IS DEFINITELY WILLING TO WORK WITH Y'ALL ON WHAT THAT CAN LOOK LIKE. THEY WORK WITH COMMISSIONER BURKE AND THAT KIND OF THING. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY 
          MUCH. >> ALL RIGHT, THANKS. 
          >>> WE ARE AT OUR SECOND PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD. THIS PORTION OF THE AGENDA IS DESIGNED TO ALLOW CITIZENS TO BRING MATTERS TO THE ATTENTION OF THE BOARD. AT THIS TIME THE BOARD WILL NOT ENGAGE IN DEBATE OR ANSWER QUESTIONS, YOU CAN EMAIL AND STAFF WILL ADDRESS YOUR QUESTIONS OR MAY EMAIL YOUR DISTRICT COMMISSIONER. PUBLIC COMMENT CARDS ARE PLACED AT THE MEETING ROOM ENTRANCE AND SHOULD BE SUBMITTED TO THE CLERK FAR LEFT. 
          LIMIT YOUR COMMENTS TO THREE MINUTES. ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK AT OUR SECOND PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD. 
          >> RECOGNIZE SAINT WATER RIVER DISTRICT. THANK YOU, GOVERNMENT AFFAIRS REPRESENTATIVE. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT. 
          >> ALL RIGHT. SEEING NO ONE ELSE TO SPEAK. I WILL CLOSE THE 
          [COMMISSIONERS' COMMENTS]
PUBLIC COUNTY HEARING. DID THE COUNTY ATTORNEY OR MANAGER HAVE 
          ANYTHING ELSE TO BRING? >> ALL RIGHT, COMMISSIONER COMMENTS, WHO WOULD LIKE TO BEGIN? 
          >> I JUST HAVE ONE COMMENT. WE PASSED THE MILESTONE LAST SATURDAY. WE OPENED UP THE CLAY COUNTY VETERANS CENTER OFF OF 220. QUITE A BIG TURNOUT WITH VENDORS AND ATTENDEES. SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE STARTED, NOT STARTED BUT REINVIGORATED THE VETERANS COUNCIL. AND THEY ACHIEVED THAT ON SATURDAY. THEY CUT THE RIBBON. A GOOD CEREMONY. IF WAS HOT BUT IT WAS A NICE CEREMONY. SO, THAT IS THE ONLY THING THAT I HAVE TO SAY. 
          >> THANK YOU >> COMMISSIONER COMPERE? 
          >> NO COMMENT TODAY. >> COMMISSINER BURKE? 
          >> I GET TO BRAG ABOUT MY HUSBAND. A SHOW CALLED "LET'S TAKE IT OUTSIDE" CAME HERE TO CLAY COUNTY, WORKED WITH THE TOURISM DEPARTMENT. REALLY A NEAT THING. SHE WILL HAVE THE SHOW AIR, I AM NOT SURE WHEN YET. HE WAS ABLE TO TAKE HER OUT, CHARTERED BOAT, FISHED IN THE RIVER, PADDLEBOARDING, AND ABOUT DIED WHEN SHE FOUND OUT LEONARD 67ER WAS HERE. SHE DID NOT KNOW THAT. SHE WENT DOWN THAT. I HAVE TO SAY SOMETHING FUNNY BECAUSE WE KNOW THERE ARE GATORS IN THERE. SHE PUT HER PADDLE DOWN AND IT IS A BIG LOG AND SHE, I AM GLAD SHE DID NOT JUMP OFF THE PADDLEBOARD. THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN BAD, TOO. SHE WENT TO THE TIKI BAR UNDER THE SUNSET. THEY HAD THE PLACE PACKED OUT, TOO. MUSIC GOING, SO NEAT. IT DID NOT RAIN THAT DAY. 
          IT IS CRAZY. THE SKY WAS BLACK. ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU SAW A SUNSET COMING UNDERNEATH IT. IT WAS PICTURESQUE. LOVED IT. THE NEXT DAY, TOURISM DOING ALL KINDS OF CRAZY. SHE WENT ON ANOTHER BOAT, HORSEBACK RIDING. ANYWAY, SHE LOVED CLAY COUNTY. THEY HAD DRONES. I JUST THINK IT WILL BE A REALLY BEAUTIFUL SHOW FOR US TO BE ABLE TO SEE AND, YOU KNOW, I HEARD SOMEBODY SAY WE DON'T WANT, THEY NEED TO STOP LETTING THE PEOPLE COME HERE BECAUSE THEY ARE GOING TO SHOW PEOPLE HOW GREAT CLAY COUNTY IS. WELL, THAT IS THE WHOLE THING, WE HAVE THE WATER. IT IS SUCH AN AMAZING THING THAT WE HAVE HERE FOR OUR PEOPLE. AND, SO, WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO SHOW HOW GREAT IT IS AND THE DIFFERENT WAYS THAT WE CAN USE IT TO ENJOY. I JUST WANTED THIS THANK THE TOURISM DEPARTMENT, LAURA HELPED. IT WAS JUST A REALLY GREAT THING. I AM LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING THAT. I AM LOOKING FORWARD TO THE CONFERENCE, THE FIRST ONE I HAVE BEEN ABLE TO GO TO. I AM SO EXCITED. HAPPY THAT I CAN GET COVERAGE AT MY OFFICE AND ALL OF THOSE GOOD THINGS. SO, ANY WAY, WE GET TO ALL GO THIS TIME. IT 
          WILL BE FUN, WONDERFUL. >> AWESOME. ONLY ONE COMMENT FOR ME TONIGHT. I WANT TO THANK STAFF, WORKING TOGETHER ON AN EXCITING OPPORTUNITY FOR THE FALL. I KIND OF WORKED TOGETHER WITH THEM TO COME UP WITH AN IDEA TO GIVE OUR YOUNG PEOPLE AN INSIGHT INTO LOCAL GOVERNMENT. IN THE FALL, WE WILL LAUNCH A 
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PROGRAM CALLED COMMISSIONER FOR A DAY. FOR JUNIORS AND SENIORS IN HIGH SCHOOL IN CLAY COUNTY. APPLICATION PROCESS WHERE THEY WILL DO A LITTLE VIDEO TO TALK ABOUT WHY THEY WANT TO BE COMMISSIONER FOR A DAY. THEN, JUST GIVE THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO SEE WHAT WE DO, SEE ALL OF THE DEPARTMENTS IN CLAY COUNTY AND THEN GET TO FINISH WITH THE EXHILARATION OF COUNTY COMMISSION MEETING AT THE END OF THE DAY. 
          >> HOPE IT IS NOT A LONG ONE. >> WE WILL SEE HOW DEDICATED THEY ARE IF THEY ACTUALLY STAY. IN ALL SERIOUSNESS, IT IS SOMETHING THAT KIDS ARE GOING TO GET EXCITED ABOUT TO SEE WHAT WE DO AND SEE HOW, HOW MUCH THEIR LOCAL GOVERNMENT IMPACTS THEIR DAY TO DAY. THAT IS ALL I HAVE, THANK YOU. 
          >> WONDERFUL, THANK YOU. >>> SO, LET ME START WITH RETIREMENT. SO, WE WOULD LIKE TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE UP COMING RETIREMENT OF THE LIBRARY ASSOCIATE 3 AT MIDDLE BESH LIBRARY. MIDDLEBERG. SHE BEGAN HER CAREER WITH CLAY COUNTY LIBRARY SYSTEM IN 2013 AND SERVED IN SEVERAL KEY ROLES INCLUDING OFFICE COORDINATOR AND LIBRARY ASSOCIATE. OVER THE PAST 12 YEARS SHE HAS MADE LASTING CONTRIBUTIONS THROUGH HER EXCEPTIONAL CUSTOMER SERVICE, ORGANIZATIONAL INSIGHT AND DEEP COMMITMENT PLAYING A KEY ROLE IN THE DEPARTMENT'S REORGANIZATION. 
          HER EXTENSIVE KNOWLEDGE AND DEDICATION SUPPORTED THE SUCCESS OF LIBRARIES THROUGHOUT CLAY COUNTY. HER CO-WORKERS WILL DEEPLY MISS HER, AND WISH HER ALL THE BEST ON HER WELL-DESERVED RETIREMENT. GIVE HER OUR BEST REGARDS, I KNOW SHE WILL BE MISSED. DEFINITELY. AND I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO ANNA LISA. THOSE BEHIND THE SCENES DO NOT KNOW WHAT IT MEANS TO GET THESE MEETINGS PRODUCED, ON FACEBOOK LIVE, AND RECORDED SO THEY CAN BE AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC. THEY CAN NOT BE EDITED BUT THEY HAVE TO BE, YOU KNOW, CHECK THE SOUND CHECK AND ALL KINDS OF THINGS, TWO OF OUR NORMAL BEHIND-THE-SCENES PEOPLE ARE EITHER IN THE HOSPITAL RECOVERING FROM SOME SURGERIES, SO WE HAVE DAWN IF YOU ARE LISTENING, WE KNOW YOU ARE IN THE HOSPITAL, PRAYING FOR YOU, HOPE YOU GET WELL SOON. AND ERIC HAD A SURGERY. SO, POOR ANNA LISA HAD TO PINCH HIT. THANK YOU, YOU DID A GREAT JOB. I THINK WE WENT OKAY TONIGHT. AND I WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU TO CCSO, AGAIN, FOR THE RESPONSE AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ALL SAW IT I AM SURE YOU DID ON THE NEWS FOR THE DEPUTY-INVOLVED SHOOTING OUT IN KEYSTONE HEIGHTS, A CRIMINAL THAT WAS NOT MAKING GOOD CHOICES. AND THREATENED A DEPUTY, TRIED TO STAB A DEPUTY WITH A NEEDLERRER IN THE NEEDLE EARLIER IN THE WEEK. THEY HAD TO HAVE THE DOG INVOLVED AND HE CONTINUED TO FIGHT EVEN AFTER THEY WERE TRYING TO ARREST HIM. 
          SO, ANY WAY, OUR CCSO OFFICERS ARE JUST SO WONDERFUL, BRAVE, THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU FROM THE BOTTOM OF OUR HEART OUT THERE TO GOOD FRIENDS THAT LIVE IN THE AREA. I HAD TO REFRAIN MYSELF FROM TEXTING, ARE YOU OKAY. ANY WAY. WE APPRECIATE ALL THAT YOU DO. I WAS CONTACTED BY SAPPS. 
          ONE OF HIS AIDES, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, I KNOW WE ARE PATIENTLY WAITING FOR THE GOVERNOR TO SIGN THIS YEAR'S BUDGET BUT, NEXT YEAR'S SESSION BEGINS IN JANUARY. AND THEREFORE COMMITTEE MEETINGS START IN OCTOBER. SO, THEY HAVE ALREADY ASKED US TO SCHEDULE OUR DELEGATION MEETING. SO, RIGHT NOW THEY ARE ENTERTAINING THE DATES OF SEPTEMBER 24TH OR 25TH. IF THOSE, IF YOU WANT TO ATTEND THE DELEGATION MEETING YOU DO NOT HAVE TO, IF YOU WANT TO ATTEND THE DELEGATION MEETING IN ONE OF THOSE TWO DATES DOES NOT WORK LET ME KNOW ASAP. IT WORKS ON THE REPRESENTATIVES CALENDAR. TAMMY HAS ALREADY REACHED OUT TO SENATOR BRADLEY AND REP GARISON'S OFFICE. ONE OF THOSE WILL BE THE DATES. IN LIGHT OF THAT, WE NEED TO START WORKING ON LEGISLATIVE PARTIES FOR NEXT YEAR FOR NEXT SESSION. PLEASE START THINKING OF THOSE THINGS. WE WILL TRY TO MOVE IT SOONER. 
          TROY AND HOWARD AND I MET WITH REPRESENTATIVE SAPP, HE WAS ONLY A AVAILABLABLE ON JUNETEENTH. IT WAS UNUSUAL TO BE IN THE 
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BUILDING. WE WONDERED IF OUR BADGES WORKED. HE MET WITH USES AND ASKED TO PRESS PREPARE OUR REQUESTS AND OTHER THINGS SOONER RATHER THAN LATER. THEY ARE TRYING TO GET THINGS MOVED QUICKLY. THINK ABOUT THOSE. IN LIGHT OF THAT, ALSO, I HAVE BEEN ASKED TO CHAIR THE AGRICULTURE AND RURAL AFFAIRS COMMITTEE. I ACCEPTED THAT. I APPRECIATE THAT. THIS YEAR I WAS VICE-CHAIR OF WATER. A LITTLE DIFFERENT. WE HAVE A NEW PRESIDENT THAT WILL BE SWORN IN THIS COMING WEEK. THE POLICY CONFERENCE WILL BE IN SEPTEMBER, 17TH AND 18TH. I AM NOT ABLE TO ATTEND BECAUSE OF MY REGULAR JOB. THEY KNOW THAT. IF ANYBODY WANTS TO GO AHEAD AND PUT THAT ON YOUR CALENDAR, TERESA CAN GET YOU IN THAT. THAT IS IN GAINESVILLE, NOT FAR AWAY IF YOU WANT TO ATTEND THAT. WE ARE ATTENDING THE ANNUAL SUMMER CONFERENCE THE NEXT 2-1/2 DAYS. 
          SINCE OUR EMAILS ARE ALL PUBLIC RECORD THE CAT IS OUT OF THE BAG AND SO ON THURSDAY AT THE LUNCHEON YOU WILL WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU DON'T MISS IT, FOR THE FIVE OF US AND THE COUNTY MANAGER AND COURTNEY IF YOU CAN SNEAK OUT OF YOUR MEETINGS. 
          SEVERAL MONTHS AGO I GOT, I SAW AN EMAIL AND I EMAILED CHIEF AND SAY CAN WE ENTER THIS CONTEST? AND HE SAID, WELL, LET'S TALK TO LAURA AND SEE. WE ENTERED ENGINE 25, THE ONE THAT HAS THE FLAG WRAP AND ALL OF THAT. WE ENTERED IT IN THE CONTEST AND WE WON. SO, WE ARE BEING PRESENTED THE AWARD AT THE LUNCHEON ON THURSDAY. PLEASE IF YOU ARE ABLE, STICK AROUND THERE FOR IT. 
          WE WILL WANT TO GET PICTURES FOR ALL OF US. AND THEN AT ONE OF OUR UPCOMING MEETINGS WE WILL WORK WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND PRESENT THE AWARD TO THE TEAM AT STATION 25. I WAS GOING TO SAY MEN AND WOMEN BUT MEN IT IS MAYBE MEN AND WOMEN I DON'T KNOW, I KNOW YOU HAVE A LOT OF THEM OVER THERE RIGHT NOW. ANY WAY, WE ARE PROUD OF THAT. SUPER EXCITING. DON'T BE AFRAID TO ENTER A CONTEST. YOU MIGHT WIN. THAT WAS SUPER EXCITING. AND I THINK THAT, WAS THAT ALL THAT I HAD? 
          >> TOMORROW MORNING >> EARLY, EARLY, SMALL COUNTY COALITION WRECK FAST AT 7:30, 7:00. YES. 7:00. YES. CHRIS TOLD ME 7:30. SORRY I DID NOT NOT MEAN TO BLOW IN YOUR EAR FOR 
          THOSE ONLINE. >> I KNEW CLAY WAS GOING TO BE RECOGNIZED. ATTEND THAT IF YOU CAN PEEL YOUR EYES ON. 
          COMMISSIONER IS UP EXERCISING BEFORE THAT. ANYTHING ELSE FOR THE GOOD OF THE ORDER? SEEING
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