Jun 17, 2025 BCC Workshop

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>>> ALL RIGHT. I WILL CALL TO ORDER THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS WORKSHOP FOR JUNE 17, 2025. I DO NOT HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT CARDS, ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK FOR COMMENT?

[1.  Legislative Wrap-up]

OUR LEGISLATIVE WRAP-UP. >> OKAY. THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. THE LEGISLATIVE BUDGET HAS BEEN SIGNED NOT SIGN ADOPTED WAITING FOR THE GOVERNOR'S SIGNATURE. AT THIS POINT IN TIME YOU CAN SEE APPROPRIATION REQUEST THAT ARE IN THE BUDGET, IT HAS BEEN APPROVED, WAITING FOR THE GOVERNOR'S SIGNATURE. ONE OF THE QUESTIONS WAS HOW DOES THIS AFFECT OUR BUDGET? DOES THIS ALLOW US TO PUT SOMETHING BACK IN AS WE GO THROUGH THE PROCESS AND THESE PROJECTS WERE NOT IN YOUR OPERATING BUDGET WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TODAY, SOME OF THESE WILL REQUIRE SOME CIP MANEUVERING FOR INSTANCE THE BRIDGE BEING DONE EARLIER. BUT REALLY THE ONLY ONE I WOULD SAY MIGHT AFFECT ANYTHING ON HERE WOULD BE THE SENIOR CENTER BECAUSE ONE OF THE PROJECTS WAS TO DO THE LIGHTING OPERATION BUT IT AND IF THAT DOES STAY THAT COULD BE FUNDED OUT OF THIS MONEY. VERSUS OUT OF YOUR

OPERATING. >> HIGHLY CONFIDENT THE 217 BRIDGE WILL GET LINE ITEM BECAUSE IT'S IN THE

TRANSPORTATION TRUST. >> I WOULD AGREE BASED ON LAST YEAR. THE GOOD THING IS WE WERE ASKING TO MOVE IT FORWARD SO WE WILL SEE. ANY QUESTIONS ON THE APPROPRIATIONS THAT WE RECEIVED OR THAT ARE CURRENTLY IN THE BUDGET? NEXT SLIDE. JUST WANTED TO RECAP A LITTLE BIT FROM TAX WATCH TO SET THE TONE OF WHERE WE ARE AT. THESE ARE 22-23 NUMBERS SO THEY ARE LITTLE DATED BUT IT REFLECTS FOR THE COUNTY WAS AT PER CAPITA TOTAL PROPERTY TAX LEVIES WE WERE 47 AND PER CAPITA GOVERNMENT PROPERTY TAXES, WE WERE AT 42 SO I THINK THAT SHOWS WE HAVE BEEN CONSERVATIVE WITH TAXING IN CLAY COUNTY COMPARED TO SOME OTHER COUNTIES. IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE THIS MAN WAS INTERESTING BECAUSE IT SHOWS THE GROWTH OVER 10 YEAR PERIOD OF TIME, THERE'S A LOT OF TALK ABOUT PROPERTY TAXES AND HOW THEY HAVE BEEN GROWING AND STATEWIDE TAXES HAVE GROWN BY 85%, WE ARE AT 27, 73% SO IT PUTS INTO PERSPECTIVE, MORE INFORMATION BEFORE WE GO THROUGH THE REST OF THE BUDGET. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THAT?

[2.  Reserves]

[3.  Fund Details]

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QUESTIONS ON THE APPROACH? >> YOUR MIC IS NOT ON.

>> CAN EXPAND THE DIFFERENCE IN CALCULATION INSURANCE BETWEEN

CCS O? >> REALLY IT COMES DOWN TO VACANCIES. THEY FACTOR WHEN THEY SUBMIT BUDGET THEY FACTOR VACANCIES AT AN AVERAGEOF ALL EMPLOYEES SO IF YOU HAVE A VACANCY HOW MUCH ARE WE PUTTING ASIDE FOR INSURANCE ? THEY DO IT BASED ON AVERAGE, THE COUNTY HAS ALWAYS BEEN TO DO THAT ON THE HIGHEST COST OF INSURANCE AND THEREFORE YOU ALWAYS HAVE ENOUGH IN YOUR INSURANCE FUND AND THAT HAS BEEN THE BEST PRACTICE FOR MOST OTHER COUNTIES WE HAVE TALKED TO. IT IS A CALCULATION

DIFFERENCE. >> FAMILY PLAN ALL 12 MONTHS?

>> FULL 12 MONTHS, HIGHEST FAMILY PLAN AVAILABLE. TO BASICALLY WE BAKE IN THE HIGHEST POSSIBLE COST ENSURING THEY TEND

TO USE THE AVERAGE. >> WHAT'S THE DIFFERECE IN THE

AMOUNT? >> ABOUT $2 MILLION.

>> SO I HAVE A QUESTION ON THAT AS WELL, THE ORIGINAL ASK WAS 105 MILLION WAS 105,588,000 AND CURRENTLY IN THE SLIDE CURRENTLY 109 MILLION SO THAT'S A 3.6 MILLION SO THAT'S A $3.6 MILLION DIFFERENCE.

>> THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE SLIDE. >>

>> WE CAN APPLY THAT BETWEEN 2.5 AND $3 MILLION DIFFERENCE , THE

WAY WE CALCULATED IT. >> OTHER QUESTIONS?

>> NEXT SLIDE. STARTING WITH TRANSPORTATION TRUST AND I CAN WALK THROUGH THIS IN AS MUCH OR LITTLE DETAIL AS YOU WOULD LIKE BASICALLY THE PROPOSED BUDGET FOR THIS YEAR WOULD BE $18 MILLION COMING IN WITH $8 MILLION T■RANSFER ROM HE GENERAL FUND. YOU CAN SEE IT GO EXPENSES FROM 13 MILLION TO 17 MILLION THIS YEAR , RESERVES WILL GO DOWN A LITTLE BIT HOLDING RESERVES TO THE 5% NUMBER. THE DIFFERENCE IN EXPENSES IS TRYING TO FOCUS ON STORMWATER IMPROVEMENTS AND OTHER IMPROVEMENTS IN THE ROADS THAT WE HAVE SEEN AROUND THE COUNTY, CURRENTLY IN THIS BUDGET I THINK ERIC HAD A REQUEST A 4.5 MILLION IN STORMWATER AND WE DROPPED IT IN THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL SO WE ARE FUNDING ABOUT HALF OF WHAT HE WAS ASKING FOR FROM STORMWATER TO START WITH BASED ON THE STORMWATER INFORMATION RECEIVED. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ON TRANSPORTATION TRUST AT THIS TIME.

NEXT PAGE IS UNINCORPORATED MS TO YOU PLANNING, ENGINEERING, ZONING DEPARTMENT, CODE ENFORCEMENT. AND YOU CAN SEE THERE IS A REDUCTION IN THEIR BUDGET YEAR-OVER-YEAR OF ABOUT

7%. ANY QUESTIONS? >> JUST THOSE THREE DEPARTMENTS?

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>> FOUR. PLANNING, ZONING, CODE ENFORCEMENT AND ENGINEERING.

>> IS THE 298 >> IS THE 298,000 FOR RESERVES

5%? >> THAT WOULD BE 5% OF YOUR

OTHER SPEND, YES OR. >> I ASKED IF THE IN RESERVES FY

2026 THE 298,000 WAS 5%. >> THE NEXT , NO QUESTIONS UNINCORPORATED? NEXT WOULD BE FIRE CONTROL REMEMBER THAT'S 25% PAID FOR BY THE FIRE THE OTHER 75% EMS IS PAID FOR OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND SO THIS TALKS ABOUT 1/4 OF YOUR OVERALL FIRE RESCUE BUDGET. CUC INCREASE OF 4.5%. WE WOULD REDUCE RESERVES DOWN TO THE 5% IN THIS FUND SO IT'S GOING FROM 13.8, TO 14.4. AND MOST OF THAT IS GOING TO BE ATTRIBUTED REALLY TO THE

PERSONNEL COST. >> I HAVE A QUESTION. FROM 24 TO 25 THE INCREASE FROM 8.5 TO 11.2 WAS THAT ON MINING MORE

STATIONS? WHAT WAS INCREASE FOR? >> IT WOULD DIFFER THIS TO THE CHIEF BUT YOU IMPLEMENT IN THE NEW UNION CONTRACT SO THERE WAS A PAY RAISE IN THE CONTRACT, YOU BROUGHT ON MORE FIREFIGHTERS.

>> PERFECT, OKAY. >> OTHER QUESTIONS?

>> NEXT IS THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE BUDGET. YOU CAN SEE THE INCREASE THERE , AS YOU ALLUDED TO EARLIER THERE'S A DIFFERENCE IN THE WAY WE DO THE CALCULATION SO THAT WOULD COUNT 2.5 TO 3 MILLION AND WE ARE UPPING THE RESERVES TO GET TO THE 5%, HISTORICALLY THE LAST FEW YEARS WE HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO MANAGE THE 5% SO THAT WOULD BE UP TO THE BOARD'S DISCRETION IF YOU WANT THE 5%. ABOUT 3 MILLION IT HAS BEEN 2.5 TO 3%.

>> EVER USED IT? >> NOMEN.

>> THAT'S MY QUESTION WAS THE IMPACT OF 3% VERSUS 5%?

>> THE IMPACT I WILL ANSWER A COUPLE WAYS. DEPENDING ON WHAT YOU DECIDE TO DO WITH INSURANCE BECAUSE WE HAVE ALWAYS DONE INSURANCE AS WORST-CASE SCENARIO. SO WE NEVER HAD TO GO TO THE SHERIFF'S RESERVES FOR ANYTHING. IF YOU WOULD GO AND SAY I WANT TO BRING A LOWER AMOUNT AND WE OVERRUN INSURANCE WE WOULD PULL THAT OUT OF RESERVES. IN MY TIME HERE AND IN YOUR TIME HAVE YOU EVER TRANSFERRED OUT OF SHERIFF'S RESERVES? T■HE IMPACT F OUR RESERVES IS WHAT YOU CARRY FORWARD TO THE NEXT YEAR TO START WITH A BASIS TO START THE NEXT YEAR CASH FLOW WISE SO IT IS A BALANCE ACT, EVERYTHING IS A BALANCE. IF YOU SAY GET RID OF RESERVES ALTOGETHER THAT MEANS NEXT YEAR I DON'T CARRY FORWARD THE RESERVE MONEY TO START THE YEAR OFF WHICH MEANS NOW YOU HAVE CASH FLOW ISSUE POTENTIAL CASH FLOW ISSUE SO I WOULD NOT COMMEND ZERO. YOU WILL SEE THERE ARE RECOMMENDATIONS TO LOWER BACK DOWN TO THE 2.5 TO 3% RANGE BUT THAT'S THE BOARD'S DECISION. I WOULD SAY GOING FORWARD WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WILL HAPPEN, I WOULD DEFER TO THE SHERIFF ON OPERATIONS AS FAR AS IF WE GET DISASTER HOW WILL THAT IMPACT THEIR BUDGET. I CANNOT SPEAK TO THAT.

>> SO WITH THIS BE A POINT FOR VICKI OR SOMEONE TO TALK ABOUT THE DIFFERENCE WITH INSURANCE AND YOUR THOUGHTS WITH THAT AS WELL AS THE RESERVES?

>> GOOD MORNING, VICKI ADAMS, CFO FOR THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE.

AS WE HAVE BEEN DISCUSSING AT THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE WE TRY TO BE GOOD STEWARDS OF TAXPAYER DOLLARS THEREFORE WE HAVE ADOPTED , OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS FOR HEALTH INSURANCE OR BENEFIT COVERAGES FOR ANY VACANCIES, WE LOOK AT THE AVERAGE OF WHAT PEOPLE ARE SELECTING AND WHAT THE EMPLOYER COST WOULD BE AND THAT'S WHAT WE PUT INTO THE BUDGET. AS MENTIONED THE COUNTY TAKES A DIFFERENT APPROACH WHICH IS BASICALLY BUDGETING FOR THE HIGHEST, MOST EXPENSIVE PLAN THAT THEY CAN SELECT. WE BELIEVE IT IS MORE APPROPRIATE TO DO THE AVERAGE AND WE HAVE NOT HAD TO, IT HAS WORKED OUT WELL FOR US,

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>> WHAT IS YOUR THOUGHTS IF WE NEED TO? GOING INTO THOSE?

>> I WOULD NOT BE COMFORTABLE TAKING IT TO ZERO , BUT REDUCING DOWN TWO OR 3% WHICH IS WHAT WE HAVE BEEN DOING THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS AND I CANNOT PREDICT IF THERE IS A BIG CATASTROPHIC EVENT , BUT WE TRY TO BE THOUGHTFUL AND HOW WE PROJECT WHAT WE NEED AND HISTORICALLY PRIOR TO ME BEING CFO , MY KNOWLEDGE IS HAVE NEVER HAD TO COME BACK AND ASK FOR MORE. BUT AGAIN, IF THERE WAS SOME MAJOR CATASTROPHIC EVENT , WE WOULD OBVIOUSLY HAVE TO PAY FOLKS AND IF IT WAS LIKE A HURRICANE WE DO WORK WITH FEMA BUT SOMETIMES THAT DOES TAKE TIME. I WOULD BE COMFORTABLE REDUCING TO ABOUT 3%. BUT AGAIN IF YOU WOULD CONSIDER ADOPTING OUR METHODOLOGY AT LEAST FOR THE HEALTHCARE PORTION I THINK THAT WOULD HELP IN THIS WHOLE

SCENARIO, AS WELL. >> ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS POINT?

OKAY. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE SLIDES? ALL RIGHT, THE NEXT ONE CONSTITUTIONAL BUDGETS. THIS IS HOW EACH OF YOUR OTHER CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICERS BUDGETS WERE SUBMITTED PHYSICALLY PROPERTY APPRAISER IS 5% INCREASE, SUPERVISOR ELECTIONS, 1.4% INCREASE AND THE CLERK HAS VARIOUS COST CENTERS FOR DIFFERENT THINGS SO I PUT THEM ALL ON HERE AND ROLLED THEM UP INTO A 2% INCREASE. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ON

THE CLERKS FOR THEIR BUDGET. >> I THOUGHT SUPERVISOR OF ELECTIONS DC BUT IT WAS FLAT .0002.

>> AGAIN THEY DO NOT LOOK AT THOSE RATES BECAUSE SORRY COUNTY PROCESS SO WHEN IT COMES TO LOOKING AT VACANCIES WE ARE LOOKING AT PROJECTIONS FOR HEALTH INSURANCE WE DO THE SAME THING, WE PUT OUR NUMBER FOR EVERYBODY THEY DO NOT SUBMIT A NUMBER FOR HEALTH INSURANCE, WE PUT IN A NUMBER FOR THEM. IT IS ALL IN THE MATHEMATICS ON THE BACK END

>> SO HIS LETTER COMPRISES THE ISSUES HE IS RESPONSIBLE FOR.

>> YES OR. >> I BELIEVE IT'S FUNDED BY THE STATE, THE NEW JUDGE IS NOW FULLY FUNDED BY THE STATE? IS

THIS IN THE BUDGET? >> THE JUDGE THEMSELVES IS FUNDED BY THE STATE, THE ACTIVITIES YOU HAVE TO HAVE TO PROTECT THE JUDGE OR DO THE BAILIFF DUTIES, DEFERRING BACK TO VICKI. FOUR PEOPLE, THERE IS AN IMPACT TO YOUR BUDGET THE SHERIFF HAS TO FUND TO PROVIDE THOSE SERVICES AND THIS WEEK IS JF OA SO A LOT OF THE CLERKS OFFICE ARE OUT THERE AND NOT PUTTING YOU ON THE SPOT I DON'T KNOW HOW THE CLERKS ARE FUNDED TO SUPPORT THE JUDGE OF THAT COMES FROM STATE FUNDING OR OUR FUNDING FOR A MIX. I DO KNOW TALKING TO RICK WE'RE GETTING ÚS WHAT IT IS COSTING TO PROVIDE THOSE SERVICES SO I DO NOT THINK I ANSWERED THE QUESTION DIRECTLY IT IS A MIX.

>> THE QUESTION, ILLEGALLY TO COME BACK AND SAY NOW THAT PERSON IS IN PLACE WE NEED TO MAKE ADJUSTMENTS DO YOU THINK

THIS COVERS IT? >> I THINK VICKI FACTORED IN ONE JUST? -- JUDGE? BUT YOU MAY BE GETTING A COUNTY JUDGE MAYBE A

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CIRCUIT IS CORRECT? >> I THOUGHT IT ONLY SAID

COUNTY. >> DOWN BELOW IT SAYS THERE IS A CIRCUIT. SO IN DEFENSE OF THE SHERIFF'S BUDGET I WON'T SAY SHE WON'T COME BACK WHEN THEY PUT THE CIRCUIT TO JUDGE IN PLACE AND CEILING FOUR MORE PEOPLE.

>> IS COST TO THE CLERK OF THIS AS WELL.

>> CHARGES TO THE CLERK OFFICE, IN THE NEXT FIVE OR 10 MINUTES ONE OF US MAY GET ANSWER , FACILITIES , WE HAVE THE COST OF BUILDING OUT COURTROOMS, THE COST OF MANAGING THE EXPENSES OVER THERE , SO YES THE JUDGE IS PAID FOR. YOU ARE GETTING A JUDGE OR TWO. EVERYTHING ELSE YOU ARE ON THE HOOK.

>> SPACE FOR ONE JUDGE IS ALREADY IN THE BUDGET? WHAT

ABOUT THE SECOND >> TWO CHAMBERS YES THERE IS ONE IN THE LETTER, WHETHER IT WILL COVER THE EXPENSES TO BE DETERMINED. WE ARE IN THE BID PROCESS NOW AND I BELIEVE THAT AT THAT. I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY WANTS TO SPEAK TO IT , BUT IT IS A FLUID PROCESS. WE DO NOT REALLY KNOW , THE GOVERNOR HAS NOT SIGNED THE BUDGET SO WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO

HAPPEN WITH THAT SIDE >> IF HE VETOES JUDGES DOESN'T GO THROUGH AND LOOK AT WHICH COUNTIES OR IS IT ALL THING?

>> IT DEPENDS . RIGHT? >> THE COUNTY COURT WOULD BE OURS, THE CIRCUIT COURT FOR THE FOURTH JUDICIAL CIRCUIT THERE ARE TWO CIRCUIT JUDGES ASSIGNED IN THE JUDGE HAS PROMISED OUR JUDGES ONE OF THOSE WOULD COME HERE.

>> ANY MORE QUESTIONS? >> I GUESS I DON'T UNDERSTAND WE ASSIGN FOUR DEPUTIES TO ONE JUDGE FOR WHAT

>> I WOULD REFER TO THEM.

>> STATUTORILY WE ARE REQUIRED TO PROVIDE SECURITY TO THE COURTHOUSE, INCLUDING THE JUDGES. THE FOUR IS FOR STAFF REASONS. YOU CANNOT JUST HAVE ONE OR TWO PEOPLE, PLUS THERE ARE MULTIPLE DUTIES EACH BAILIFF OR DEPUTY PERFORMS SO ON AVERAGE EACH JUDGE WILL HAVE 2 TO 4 PEOPLE WORKING IN THE COURTROOM AT ANY GIVEN TIME AND THEN RUNNING ERRANDS OR RUNNING DOWN INFORMATION AND WE STAFF WITH FOUR , TYPICALLY TO COUNT FOR TIME OFF AND WORK SCHEDULE STUFF LIKE THAT.

>> DOUBLING OF PERSONNEL REQUIRED SEEMS , TO ME I DON'T

KNOW. >> I MEAN IT IS WHAT IT IS, WE STAFF ACCORDINGLY. THERE'S NOTHING LUXURIOUS ABOUT IT.

>> OTHER QUESTIONS? NEXT PAGE. >> SORRY. SO, THE NEXT WOULD BE THE GENERAL FUND. AS I INDICATED EARLIER, WHEN WE ARE DOING FOR THE GENERAL FUND IS BALANCING ALL THE OTHER FUNDS USING THE GENERAL FUND SO YOU HAVE $12 MILLION IN TRANSFERS OUT.

BASICALLY AT THE END OF THE DAY YOU HAVE ABOUT 5 MILLION LEFT IN RESERVES WITH A 3% REDUCTION IN THE CURRENT GENERAL FUND BUDGET.

YOU WOULD NEED 22.5 MILLION TO MEET THE 16.7 SO YOU ARE $70 MILLION SHORT OF WHAT YOU NEED TO MEET YOUR 16.7.

>> OR 15 DEPENDING ON HOW WE DO THE HEALTH INSURANCE.

>> YES MA'AM SO, NEXT SLIDE. THIS IS SHOWN THE SAME SLIGHT EXPENSES VERSUS AD VALOREM SHOWING WE ARE GETTING TO THE POINT WHERE PUBLIC SAFETY, FIRE RESCUE, SHERIFF'S OFFICE IS EXCEEDING WHAT YOU ARE BRINGING ON AD VALOREM SOLD IN THE COUNTY WILL HAVE TO LOOK TO DIVERSIFY REVENUE STREAMS MOVING FORWARD

AT THIS PACE. >> REALLY IMPORTANT FOR THE PUBLIC TO KNOW ALL PROPERTY TAXES COLLECTED IN CLAY COUNTY

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>> IF AVAILABLE. >> RIGHT. YOU HEAR THAT A LOT I PAY MY TAXES AND SO YES YOU DO AND THAT FUNDS THE SHERIFF'S

DEPARTMENT AND FIRE DEPARTMENT. >> SO THAT'S THE KEY. AS THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT WILL REMIND US , THEY CAN ONLY BE FUNDED FROM GRANTS OR AD VALOREM SO THAT'S WHERE THE FUNDING STREAMS COME IN TO FUND THOSE, AD VALOREM WILL FUND SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT AND FIRE DEPARTMENT SO IT IS DIVERSIFYING REVENUE STREAMS, LOOKING AT OTHER WAYS TO DO BUSINESS IT IS KEY AND

[4.  Options]

NEXT SLIDE. OKAY SO WORKING THROUGH THE COUNTY MANAGER AND ACM BUDGET OFFICE WE HAVE PUT TOGETHER A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT OPTIONS. I WILL WALK YOU THROUGH HOW THE OPTIONS, I DON'T MIND WALKING THROUGH EVERY SINGLE ITEM. IT DEPENDS ON HOW YOU WANT ME TO APPROACHES. HIGH-LEVEL WE PUT TWO OPTIONS TOGETHER. WHEN ISSUING REDUCTION IN SHERIFF'S OFFICE OPERATING BUDGET AND THE OTHER WOULD BE FULLY FUNDING THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE SO WE WILL START WITH OPTION ONE. OPTION ONE IS NOT FULLY FUNDING. OPTION ONE REDUCING OPERATING BY 5 MILLION. ALSO REDUCING RESERVES BY 2 MILLION SO YOU WOULD BE 3 TO 3.5%. WALKING THROUGH THE ITEMS TO SHOW YOU HOW THIS WILL WORK.

>> DOES IT INCLUDE THE 5 MILLION REDUCING THE SHERIFF'S OPERATING BUDGET , DOES THAT INCLUDE THE TWO OR $3 MILLION

DIFFERENCE? >> IT WOULD BE WE WOULD TAKE TURNS CALCULATION AND DEDUCT 5 MILLION FROM OPERATING AND 2 MILLION FROM RESERVES. THE WAY THIS KIND OF LAYS OUT THE REDUCING IF THERE IS THE PARENTHESES WITH A NUMBER THAT'S IN YOUR CURRENT PROPOSED BUDGET AND THE AMOUNT WE ARE REDUCING BY. THE ITEMS IN BLUE THE YEAR IN BLUE ARE CURRENTLY FUNDED BUDGET SO WE'RE MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS TO CUT PROJECTS FROM BOTH THE CURRENTLY ADOPTED BUDGET PUTTING MORE MONEY INTO RESERVES TO CARRY FORWARD AND CUTTING ITEMS FROM THE PROPOSED BUDGET FOR NEXT YEAR. SO WE ARE LOOKING AT A HYBRID APPROACH TO GET WHERE WE NEED TO BE. SO OPTION ONE WOULD BE REDUCING THE SHERIFF'S OPERATING BUDGET BY 5 MILLION AND REDUCING BUDGET RESERVES BY 2 MILLION, NEXT ITEM WITH FOCUS ON PERSONNEL RELATED ITEMS SO WE WOULD REDUCE COUNTYWIDE OVERTIME BY $100,000.

WE DO HAVE OVERTIME WHEN PEOPLE GET CALLED OUT , WE HAVE TO CONTROL THAT AND THEN REDUCING OVERALL TRAINING TRAVEL AND CONFERENCE BUDGET BY 200,000. RIGHT NOW ACROSS ALL COUNTY DEPARTMENTS INCLUDING PUBLIC SAFETY WE SPEND 1.1 MILLION SO

WE WOULD DROP THAT BY 200,000. >> SO HOW WOULD YOU LOOK AT REDUCING OVERTIME? FOR SOME DEPARTMENT SAID WE WILL NOT WORK ON? HOW WOULD WE DO THAT? YOU KNOW HOW I FEEL ABOUT MANDATORY

OVERTIME ANYWAY. >> ULTIMATELY BY SCHEDULING WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO IT. IT IS AN AREA WE ARE FOCUSED ON IN GENERAL, BUT WHEN IT IS AN EMERGENCY AND SOMEBODY NEED SOMEBODY TO COME OUT WE HAVE THAT AND IT WILL DEPEND UPON ANY HURRICANES OR MISHAPS ALSO. IT IS HARD TO PREDICT THAT PORTION.

>> TWO THINGS TALKING TO PERSONNEL WOULD BE SCHEDULING IF YOU WORK OVERTIME TODAY MAYBE HAVE TO TAKE A FEW HOURS OFF LATER IN THE WEEK WHICH MAY IMPACT OTHER OPERATIONS YOU HAD PLANNED AND IF YOU REDUCE OVERTIME YOU'RE TAKING THE RISK OF THE WE HAVE OVERTIME IN THE BUDGET OR IF WE PULL IT OUT OF RESERVES THAT'S THE RISK REWARD.

>> LET ME ASK YOU ABOUT THAT. HOW OFTEN DO YOU USE ALL OF THE BUDGETED OVERTIME? DO WE USE IT BECAUSE IT IS THERE OR DO WE END

UP WITH EXTRA? >> YOU DON'T HAVE A LOT OF EXTRA IN YOUR OVERTIME. A LOT OF TIMES WE GET HIT BY A HURRICANE EARLY OCTOBER OR NOVEMBER AND WHATEVER OVERTIME MONEY WE HAVE IS USUALLY USED FOR THE FIRST HURRICANE SO WE DON'T WANT TO

PULL OUT OF RESERVES. >> I'M NOT THAT INTERESTED IN

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>> I DON'T THINK WE HAVE EXORBITANT AMOUNT OF OVERTIME IN OUR BUDGETS. FROM A BUDGET PERSPECTIVE IT IS A MECHANISM FOR PUTTING IT IN THE BUDGET SO WE DON'T TRANSFER OUT OF RESERVES , IT IS BEST PRACTICE BUT I GET YOUR POINT AND WE DO

MONITOR. >> LET ME ASK YOU, TO RESCHEDULE

OVERTIME IN EVERY DEPARTMENT? >> OUTSIDE OF FIRE RESCUE THEY HAVE SCHEDULED OVERTIME I DO NOT KNOW OF ANY OTHER DEPARTMENT. WE KNOW OF ANY OTHER DEPARTMENT WITH SCHEDULED OVERTIME?

>> BECAUSE WE USE ON-CALL PAY .

>> I GET SOME OVERTIME IS NECESSARY FOR EMERGENCY REASONS AND THAT CAN BE LESS COSTLY THAN HIRING ANOTHER FTE. YOU KNOW HOW I FEEL ABOUT MANDATORY OVERTIME ANYWAY SO IT'S NOT SURPRISING I

WOULD ASK. >> YOUR POINT IS YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE THERE'S NOT $100,000 OF OVERTIME SITTING AND STAFF IS USING $100,000 OF OVERTIME BECAUSE IT'S AVAILABLE AND I CAN HONESTLY SAY I DON'T FEEL THAT'S THE CASE.

>> THIS QUESTION IS MORE FOR THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, BUT WHAT COME OPERATIONALLY WHAT WOULD $5 MILLION DECREASE LOOK LIKE ?

>> SO WHAT $5 MILLION WOULD LOOK LIKE FOR US IS POSITIONS. I PROVIDED EACH OF YOU A CHARGE OF AGENCIES IN OUR CIRCUIT AND AREA THAT ARE COMPARABLE IN SIZE. AS YOU CAN SEE, THE CLOSEST AGENCY PER EMPLOYEE INVESTMENT IS ABOUT $20,000 PER EMPLOYEE MORE AND NASSAU COUNTY. I RUN AN EXCEPTIONALLY LEAN AGENCY. WE DO NOT HAVE EXTRA MONEY. WE DO NOT PAD THE BOOKS, WE BASE PROJECTIONS ON AVERAGES AND PAST PRACTICE. FOR US BECAUSE WE ARE SO LEAN WITH NO FAT, IF WE TOOK A $5 MILLION CUT, WE WOULD HAVE TO CUT POSITIONS. THE EXACT NUMBER, I DO NOT KNOW. FOR US, THERE IS NO OTHER FAT TO CUT BECAUSE WE OPERATE SO LEAN.

>> THANK YOU. >> ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON PERSONNEL BEFORE I MOVED TO THE NEXT SECTION? THE NEXT SECTION WE GROUPED GENERAL ITEMS THAT WERE NOT FOCUSED ON ONE SPECIFIC DEPARTMENT. WE TALKED ABOUT SOLID WASTE EXEMPTION, VETERANS EXEMPTION, IN ORDER TO BALANCE AND MAKE

SOME CHANGES TO THAT. >> I'VE GOT A QUESTION. WE SCHEDULED 1.6 AND WE TALK ABOUT $600,000 REDUCTION. WHAT ENCOMPASSES THE TOTAL EXEMPTION? WHAT GORES QUALIFIED?

>> VETERANS EXEMPTION AND HARDSHIP EXEMPTION THAT'S THE

$1.6 MILLION NUMBER. >> WE CAME UP WITH 600,000 , BUT WE CUT ONE OF THOSE EXEMPTIONS OUT COMPLETELY OR HOW DID WE COME UP WITH 600,000? THEY ARE ALREADY EXEMPT SO HOW DO YOU

MAKE THEM NONEXEMPT? >> YOU CAN CHANGE POLICY TO SAY YOU WON'T ALLOW THE EXAM, THAT'S ANNUAL EXEMPTION, YOU APPLY EACH YEAR. WE WERE LOOKING AT DIFFERENT NUMBERS, WHETHER 600,000 IS ABOUT HALF, MILTON HAS GOT SOME DIFFERENT PROPOSALS YOU CAN DO. WE DID NOT GET TO THE POINT OF HAVING A DEFINED PROPOSAL TO SAY THIS IS HOW EXACTLY WE WOULD DO 6000 BECAUSE

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>> I GUESS YOU CAN ELIMINATE A QUALIFICATION WILL REDUCE THE

EXEMPTION. >> I WOULD DEFER TO MILTON TO COME SAY SOME OF THE THINGS IF HE IS COMFORTABLE TO SAY SOME OF THE THINGS HE HAS THOUGHT ABOUT AT A HIGH LEVEL.

>> WE CAME UP WITH A NUMBER SO WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? ELIMINATION

OR REDUCTION? >> HE HAS A COUPLE OPTIONS. FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE IT IS MORE OF A CONVERSATION POINT OF IS THIS SOMETHING PALATABLE AND WHAT LEVEL BECAUSE $200,000 REDUCTION VERSUS $800,000 REDUCTION LOOK VERY DIFFERENT FROM A POLICY

STANDPOINT. >>

>> AND DISPOSAL ASSESSMENTS. IF WE WERE TARGETING A SPECIFIC DOLLAR AMOUNT SUCH AS 600,000, WE WOULD LOOK AT A PARTIAL EXEMPTION AND HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THAT WAS BASED ON THE

NUMBER OF EXEMPTIONS. >> OR WHATEVER NUMBER WE COME UP

WITH. >> BRIGHT, IF WE ARE TRYING TO TARGET. THE PREFERRED METHODS FOR MANAGING THE ASSESSMENTS FOR US, IT WOULD BE , WE CURRENTLY HAVE FULL EXEMPTION, THE OTHER SIDE IS NOT TO EXEMPT. TO REMOVE THE VETERAN EXEMPTION BECAUSE THERE'S NO HARDSHIP PORTION TO THAT. OR, WE COULD DO WHAT SOME OTHERS DO, IF WE COULD ELIMINATE HOW THE EXEMPTION APPLIES TO DISPOSAL ASSESSMENT NOT COLLECTION AND THAT WOULD EVEN THE EXEMPTION FOR ALL VETERANS BECAUSE CURRENTLY, WE CAN ONLY EXEMPT OUR ASSESSMENTS WE IMPOSE. SO VETERANS WHO ARE IN THE CITY IN THE TOWN OF ORANGE PARK IN THE CITY OF SPRINGS ARE STILL PAYING EXEMPTION FEES AND WE ARE COLLECTING THE DISPOSAL ASSESSMENT. SO THAT'S ANOTHER OPTION. IF WE WERE TO DO THAT, THE DISPOSAL ASSESSMENT WERE STILL EXEMPT DISPOSAL AND NO LONGER EXEMPT THE COLLECTION, IT WOULD SAVE ALMOST $1 MILLION.

>> REGIONALLY WHERE DO WE STAND , COMPARED?

>> WE ARE , WE HAVE NOT FOUND OTHERS THAT ARE DOING VETERANS EXEMPTIONS LIKE WE DO. WE ARE VERY RICH ON THAT. THERE ARE A NUMBER OF HARDSHIP EXEMPTIONS THEY ARE PRETTY COMMON. MANY OF THEM ARE NOT FULL EXEMPTIONS LIKE WE DO, THEY ARE SOME PART OF A PARTIAL EXEMPTION, FOR EXAMPLE IN JACKSONVILLE, THEY JUST INITIATED HARDSHIP EXEMPTION TO FREEZE THEIR COLLECTION RATE AT THE CURRENT RATE ALTHOUGH THEY ARE GOING UP.

SO IT'S GOING TO BE A PARTIAL EXEMPTION. IT IS JUST A PHILOSOPHY OF HOW BEST TO TACKLE THAT.

>> THANK YOU. >> SO MILTON, DOWN TO BRASS TACKS. IF WE CHANGED IT THERE WOULD BE VETERANS WHO GET AN EXEMPTION TODAY FOR ONE OF THOSE TWO FEES OR BOTH? AND THERE WOULD NO LONGER GET IT SO THEY WOULD PICK UP THE PHONE AND CALL

WEBER? >> YES. CURRENTLY OUR NUMBER OF CURRENT VETERANS EXEMPTION IS ABOUT 3700. IT IS POSSIBLE THERE WOULD BE 4600 BECAUSE THAT'S HOW MANY EXEMPTIONS THE PROPERTY

APPRAISER HAS ON PROPERTY TAXES. >> SAY THAT AGAIN.

>> WHEN WE CHECKED WITH THEM LAST, THEY HAD 4565 FULLY EXEMPT DISABLED VETERANS AS FAR AS FOR THE PROPERTY TAX AND THAT IS WHAT WE BASE OURS ON. SO WHEN SOMEBODY APPLIES FOR SOLID WASTE ASSESSMENT , THEY FIRST HAVE TO HAVE BEEN GRANTED THAT EXEMPTION AND HAVE THAT VETTED THROUGH THE PROPERTY APPRAISER.

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>> SO THE MAJORITY OF THE HARDSHIPS THAT WE GRANT ARE

VETERANS AND NOT INCOME? >> RIGHT NOW WE HAVE 118 FINANCIAL HARDSHIP EXEMPTIONS WHICH IS AROUND $42,000. THESE ARE PEOPLE 150% POVERTY LEVEL OR LESS. BUT THE VETERANS EXEMPTIONS DO HAVE A FINANCIAL COMPONENT.

>> BUT WE DON'T KNOW IF THEY WOULD CHANGE TO FINANCIAL

HARDSHIP. >> IF THEY QUALIFY THEN THEY WOULD HAVE TO APPLY IF WE MADE THE CHANGE. SO IF THERE'S A VETERAN WHO QUALIFIES UNDER THE FINANCIAL HARDSHIP THAN THEY WOULD JUST APPLY UNDER THAT. THE APPLICATION WHEREAS RIGHT NOW THEY DON'T HAVE TO SUPPLY ANY TYPE OF INCOME INFORMATION.

>> TO THE CHAIR TALKING ABOUT THAT BECAUSE THERE ARE 100% QUALIFIED VETERANS USUALLY THEY'RE GETTING 100% RETIREMENT AND THEREFORE MOST OF THEM WOULD NOT MEET THE LEVEL YOU WOULD

NEED FOR 100%. >> SO HARDSHIP QUALIFICATION IS

150%? >> 150% OF THE CURRENT YEAR OFFICIAL POVERTY LEVEL FOR THE JACKSONVILLE AREA. SO THAT CHANGES EACH YEAR AND THAT CAN CALCULATE BASED ON HOW MANY PERSONS IN THE HOUSEHOLD. SO IT IS A DIFFERENT INCOME LEVEL DEPENDING ON HOW MANY PERSONS IN THE HOUSEHOLD.

>> IS THAT THE SAME CRITERIA THE PROPERTY APPRAISER USES FOR AD VALOREM AS WELL? 150%? I THOUGHT THERE WAS A HARDSHIP

>> I DON'T KNOW HARDSHIP FOR THE PROPERTY TAXES.

>> I THINK THE COUNTY MANAGER POINT HE DID NOT HAVE HIS MIC ON BUT HE SAID THEY ARE PROBABLY NOT IN A HOME VALUED HIGHER THAN $150,000 SO IN CLAY COUNTY LAW COULD BE IN MOBILE HOMES WHICH

ARE TAXED DIFFERENTLY. >> I GUESS WITH THAT INCOME

LEVEL. >> YOU SAID THAT WOULD BE AROUND

1 MILLION FOR THE FULL? >> YES MA'AM WITH OUR CURRENT NUMBER OF EXEMPTIONS.

>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MILTON? THANK YOU MILTON.

>> DOWN THE LIST REPLACEMENT OF NEW AND REPLACEMENT EQUIPMENT WITH 1.6 MILLION BUDGETED , WE WOULD REDUCE THAT BY 300,000. WE WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE FLEET LIST AND DECIDE WHICH VEHICLES THAT WOULD BE TAKEN OFF OF. WE PROBABLY START AT THE BOTTOM AND WORK OUR WAY UP. WE WOULD REDUCE THE CURRENT FLEMING ISLAND PARKING LOT PROJECT, WE WOULD REMOVE THE PROJECT, REDUCE

WORKDAY SUPPORT. GO AHEAD. >> FLEMING ISLAND? IN

COMBINATION WITH RADAR ROAD? >> YES AND NO WE WOULD REFER THIS THE PARKING LOT OUTSIDE OF RADAR ROAD , THAT HAS BEEN A

BUDGET ITEM THIS YEAR. >> IT WOULD MAKE SENSE TO DO IT WITH RADAR ROAD WHICH WON'T START THIS YEAR. MAY BE LATE

THIS YEAR. >> I DON'T THINK THAT WAS PART OF THE PROJECT. MAY BE BEING DONE IN CONJUNCTION WITH, BUT THEY WERE SEPARATE PROJECTS. I WOULD HAVE TO DEFER TO RICHARD.

THEY ARE SEPARATE PROJECTS BUT WE WOULD RECOMMEND REMOVING THE PROJECT. THERE ARE SOME POTHOLES WE COULD FILL IN AND NOT DO THAT PROJECT. WE WOULD REDUCE WORKDAY SUPPORT.

>> QUESTION ABOUT THAT, TOO. TRYING TO THINK CREATIVELY TO CREATE SOME FUNDING STREAMS. IS THE RADAR ROAD PROJECT SCALABLE? I'M LOOKING AT RICHARD, HE MAY KNOW. I KNOW IT IS A PRETTY BIG

PROJECT. >> MANAGER IF I MAY. WE DO NOT JUST IGNORE THE PARKING LOT WE HAVE THE NEW SWEEPER WE HAVE SWEPT IT AT LEAST ONCE. IT IS ON THE SWEEPING LIST. ALSO TALKED ABOUT FIXING THE POTHOLES THAT ARE IN THERE SO WE TRY TO MITIGATE THE BEST WE CAN TO DO THE BEST WE CAN WITH THE PARKING

LOT. >> RICHARD SMITH COUNTY ENGINEER, THE RADAR ROAD PROJECT IS STILL GOING THROUGH PERMITTING PROCESS WITH THE ST. JOHNS RIVER WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT. PROBABLY GOING TO BE A END OF THE FISCAL YEAR. PROBABLY

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IN THE CURRENT YEAR BUDGET. >> IS THE PROJECT SCALABLE IN TERMS OF TAKE THIS OUT DO THIS, TO REDUCE THE TOTAL COST OF THE PROJECT OR ITS ALREADY BARE-BONES?

>> THERE IS THINGS THAT COULD COME OUT. YOU KNOW WE'VE GOT SOME TRAFFIC CALMING DEVICES THAT ARE 15 OR 20,000 EACH. WE WANT TO TAKE A COUPLE OUT OR SOMETHING THAT'S ONE ISSUE.

WHEN YOU EXPAND SCOPE THE GOOD NEWS IS IT IS ALL OF OUR MONEY.

WE ARE NOT GETTING ANY FUNDING FROM AN OUTSIDE SOURCE THAT WE WOULD NEED TO ASK OTHER PERMISSIONS FOR. WE HAVE BEEN DENIED OR THE PERMIT FOR THE ACCESS ON THE 17 DOES NOT PERMIT OR ALLOW TRAFFIC SIGNALS AT THIS TIME. SO THAT WILL BE THE PERMIT COMES WITH A CAVEAT, NO SIGNALS AT THIS TIME, THEY'RE NOT WARRANTED HOWEVER WHEN THEY ARE WARRANTED IT IS A COUNTY EXPENSE THEREFORE THAT'S $350-$400,000 REDUCTION IN THE ESTIMATE. WE HAVE NOT GOT THE BUDGET NUMBERS YET. MEETING ADJOURNED.

>> CAN YOU RUN RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER? THEN PAVE THE PARKING

LOT? >> AGAIN IT IS OUR MONEY. I WOULD NOT WANT TO COMMISSION THIS ENGINEER TO BROADEN HIS SCOPE AND PAY TO EXPAND THE PARKING LOT THEN FOR MY TEAM TO COME IN AND CONTINUE WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO BUT THAT IS MORE OF A TROY QUESTION AS THE ALLEGATION GOES. I DO KNOW THAT,

WE WILL NOT GET THIS TIME. >> SO IT WILL BE A RIGHT TURN ON 17 STRAIGHT UP? OR AS IT CURRENTLY IS WITH THE MEDIAN?

>> IT WILL BE AS DESIGNED WHICH IS RIGHT TURN, RIGHT TURN SOUTHBOUND AND LEFT TURN NORTHBOUND IN. THE LEFT TURNS WILL NOT BE CONTROLLED. THEY WILL BE LIKE THEY ARE TODAY, THEY WILL NOT BE CONTROLLED UNTIL WE GET ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC COUNTS TO SEE HOW MANY CARS GO THERE.

>> BEFORE WE GET TOO FAR AHEAD OF DOWNSIZING TRAFFIC SIGNAL AND USING THAT TO MAKE THE PARKING LOT WE WOULD HAVE TO DO RESEARCH BECAUSE THIS IS CIP DOLLARS WHICH CAN'T BE USED FOR MAINTENANCE. GAS TAX DOLLARS WE WOULD HAVE TO LOOK TO SEE TWO

YEARS TO MAINTENANCE. >> I'M SURE THERE SOMETHING.

>> ARE YOU LISTENING? >> SO WELL , THERE ARE WAYS WE WOULD MAKE IT WORK IF THAT'S THE DIRECTION OF THE BOARD.

>> MY WERE SIGNALS PUT IN THE BUDGET PLAN?

>> WE HAVE THE PRIVATE SUBDIVISION ON THE EAST SIDE OF 17 THAT ROAD DOES NOT LINE UP WITH RADAR ROAD. THE D.O.T.

ATTEMPTED DURING RESURFACING , I DON'T THINK THAT'S GOING ON NOW TO ALIGN THEM, BUT THEY DID WANT TO ADD RIGHT-OF-WAY INTO THE TIMETABLE HAVING IT 3 TO 5 YEARS. WHEN WE CAME IN ON RADAR ROAD AND GOT THE RIGHT-OF-WAY AND SHIFTED AS FAR SOUTH AS WE COULD WE NOW NEED TO ACROSS THE ROAD AND SHIFT PRIVATE ROAD NORTH AND EVEN THEN AT THAT POINT WE WOULD NEED A SIGNAL.

THE SIGNAL IS REALLY MORE OF HEY, YOU'RE GOING TO LOSE ACCESS ON TO 17. YOU'RE GOING TO RESTRICT ACCESS ON 17 BUT IMPROVE THE ACCESS YOU HAVE BY GIVING YOU CONTROL. TAKE THE CONTROL OUT BECAUSE IT'S NOT WARRANTED. THERE IS NOT ENOUGH LEFT TURNING VEHICLES TO BUILD A SIGNAL.

>> ANY QUESTIONS? >> THANK YOU, RICHARD.

>> MOVING DOWN REDUCING WORKDAY SUPPORT , HEARD YOU LOUD AND CLEAR TRYING TO GET OFF SUPPORT OVERTIME SO I WORKING TOWARD

THAT. >> WORKDAY WHAT DOES THAT MEAN?

>> WE WOULD HAVE LESS SUPPORT AND LESS HOURS TO SUPPORT CHANGES TO THE SYSTEM WE WOULD HAVE TO DO THIS IN-HOUSE THAT MEANS THEY MAY TAKE LONGER TO GET DONE BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE

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>> REMARKABLE, THEY BUILD SOFTWARE THAT YOU NEED THEIR HELP TO USE CONTINUALLY THAT YOU PAID MILLIONS OF DOLLARS FOR.

>> THAT'S THE BUSINESS MODEL SOFTWARE HAS MOVED TO. SPEAKING FROM A DEVELOPER STANDPOINT I DO, YES WE CAN HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT THAT. ADA IMPROVEMENTS, WE HAVE HAD A ADA STUDY COME BACK, 200,000 WE ARE WORKING ON PULLING TOGETHER EXACTLY WHAT THE OVERALL COST WOULD BE WE HAVE HAD INTERNAL CONVERSATIONS AS YOU KNOW ABOUT USING MONEY TO REPLACE SIDEWALKS. ALL OF THOSE THINGS ARE HOPING BECAUSE SOME ADA THINGS ARE SIDEWALKS IN PART BUT WE WOULD REDUCE ADA IMPROVEMENTS FROM 200,000 DOWN TO 100,000 NEXT YEAR. WE WOULD REDUCE PRESSURE WASHING IN THE CURRENT BUDGET WAS 60,000 SET ASIDE TO PRESSURE WASH THINGS ACROSS THE COUNTY REDUCING BY 25,000 WE WOULD ELIMINATE THE DEVICE WE WERE BUYING WE WOULD SACRIFICE THIS YEAR IN FUTURE YEARS AND AFTER A PLACE LATER.

>> WHAT IS THAT? >> I WILL DEFER TO DEAN.

>> THE STORAGE ARRAY IS OUR VIDEO STORAGE ARRAY AT THE MOMENT SO AS TIME HAS GONE ON THROUGH ARPA AND COVID FUNDING WE HAVE ADDED CAMERAS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY'S, WE CONTINUE TO ADD CAMERAS SOME OF THE OLDER ARCHITECTURE NEEDS TO BE REPLACED AND IT WILL STILL WORK, BUT AS TROY MENTIONED WE HAVE TO DO FOR REPLACEMENT. MAYBE IF ANY OF YOU WERE AT THE CYBER SECURITY TABLETOP WE TALKED ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF KEEPING EQUIPMENT UPDATED AND WE ARE STILL IN A PRETTY HEALTHY POSTURE TO SUPPORT OUR STRATEGIC PLAN. MEANING ONE OF OUR GUIDELINES IS THAT WE REPLACE INFRASTRUCTURE IN THE FIELD THAT'S GREATER THAN THE ONE YOUR PAST ITS END OF LIFE. WE STILL HAVE SOME OUT THERE BUT TARGETING THIS VIDEO STORAGE ARRAY FALLING INTO THAT SIMILAR CAVEAT TO REPLACE DUE TO AGE AND SUPPORTING ABILITY IT WILL STILL WORK BUT THIS IS A DEFERRAL.

>> THANK YOU. >> ANY OF THE QUESTIONS ON THE GENERAL SIDE? IF NOT WE WILL MOVE TO THE NEXT SLIDE. THESE ARE PUBLIC SAFETY RELATED REDUCTIONS. SO WE WOULD REMOVE THE 130,000 FROM NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET FROM THE NORMAL COMMAND REFRESH, WE WOULD REMOVE EOC REPLACEMENT AIR-CONDITIONER REPLACEMENT OUT OF THE BUDGET FOR NEXT YEAR.

>> I AM NOT SAYING THIS FACETIOUSLY, BUT ANYTIME I HAVE BEEN IN THERE WHETHER FOR EXERCISE OR IN AN EMERGENCY THERE IS PEOPLE SITTING AROUND IN SWEATSHIRTS AND SWEATERS AND I KNOW THE ITE EQUIPMENT HAS TO BE KEPT AT A CERTAIN TEMPERATURE BUT IT IS STRIKING TO ME WHEN PEOPLE ARE SITTING THERE FREEZING TO DEATH WE'RE GOING TO REPLACE THE AC?

>> I WILL DEFER TO MAINTENANCE. I DON'T KNOW THE REASONING BEHIND IT.

>> THE QUESTION I HAVE , END OF LIFE IS THE REASON I WAS TOLD.

>> THAT IS CORRECT. THIS WILL REPLACE EVERYTHING AT THE LIFECYCLE. TO YOUR POINT WE CAN WORK WITH STAFF ABOUT TEMPERATURE SETTINGS IF PEOPLE ARE SITTING AROUND IN

SWEATSHIRTS. >> I MEAN I KNOW ALL PEOPLE HAVE DIFFERENT CLIMATE EXPECTATIONS BUT I AM WATCHING CLAY ELECTRIC FRIENDS ARE HERE AND WATCHING THE ELECTRIC METER GO THINKING WE ARE PAYING FOR THAT. AND I UNDERSTAND REPLACING AIR CONDITIONERS AT END OF LIFE . MY OBSERVATION IS AS A WHOLE CLAY COUNTY DOES A LOT OF THAT. WE DO A LOT OF REPLACING THINGS BECAUSE SOMEBODY SAYS THEY ARE AT THE END OF LIFE, THE CHIEF KNOWS I LOVE TO CHALLENGE HIM ON HIS VEHICLES BECAUSE IN HIS CASE HE HAS A REQUIREMENT FOR THE VEHICLES , THEY HAVE REQUIREMENTS, BUT IN OTHER CASES SOMETIMES IT SEEMS LIKE WE DO IT BECAUSE WE HAVE ALWAYS DONE IT AND HEATHER IS SOMEWHERE HERE.

ANYWAY, THERE SHE IS. THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT, DO WE HAVE TO DO ALL THESE THINGS AT THE SAME TIME? AND SOMETIMES WE HAVE

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YOU, WRENCH. >> FIRE CHIEF AND I WILL TAKE A LITTLE FROM TIM BECAUSE I HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY WITH THE BUILDING. WHEN THE BUILDING WAS BEING CONSTRUCTED THEY REDUCED THE SIZE OF THE FACILITY BECAUSE THEY WERE GOING TO THE 2008 DOWNTURN AND MADE SOME CHANGES. I THINK THERE WERE ENGINEERING CHANGES AND I'M NOT A ARCHITECT OR AIR-CONDITIONING ENGINEER , THAT WERE PROBABLY ILL-ADVISED AT THE TIME AND ONE OF THE HISTORIES WE HAVE SEEN WITH THE FACILITY IS THE AIR-CONDITIONING SYSTEM AS A WHOLE HAS BEEN EXCEEDINGLY CHALLENGING TO THE POINT THAT THE FACILITY CHOSE TO INSTALL AUXILIARY UNITS THAT COULD RUN AND SUPPORT THAT WHEN THE NUMBERS IN AN AREA INCREASED. SO THE PROBLEM WE HAVE IS WE DON'T MAINTAIN A CONSISTENT TEMPERATURE. WHEN WE HAVE LARGE NUMBERS OF PEOPLE LIKE WE WOULD WITH ACTIVATION THE AUXILIARY UNIT HAS TO FUNCTION TO AUGMENT WHAT WOULD BE A NORMAL RUNNING ON THE STANDARD BUILDING AC SO YOU TEND TO GET THE WILD FLUCTUATIONS. IF YOU HAVE LESS PEOPLE IN THE EARLY MORNING HOURS, IT IS CALLED LIKE A MEAT LOCKER, IF YOU GET IT DURING THE MIDDLE OF THE AFTERNOON IT IS PROBABLY TOO WARM. ONE OF THE PROPOSALS AND I AM CONCERNED WITH THIS BECAUSE WE WOULD DEFER THE MAINTENANCE IS OVERTIME, NOW I WILL SAY WHERE 12 OR 14 YEARS FROM CONSTRUCTION I WOULD THINK. YEAH, OCCUPANCY. THAT SYSTEM WHICH HAS BEEN PROBLEMATIC AT BEST HAS INCREASING PROBLEMS. I WAS IN THE SECOND FLOOR YESTERDAY AND I HEARD ONE OF THE AUXILIARY UNITS IN THE FARK MEDICATION SECTION IS OUT AND NOT REPAIRABLE SO IT'S WHERE THIS BEGINS TO EXACERBATE AND THAT IS KIND OF THE FLUCTUATION WE HAVE. PROBABLY DID NOT DO AS WELL AS WE COULD WITH CONSTRUCTION OF THE BUILDING AT THE TIME. WE PROBABLY DID WHAT WAS NECESSARY TO MEET THE BUDGETARY RESTRICTIONS BUT THE CONSTRUCTION PROJECT HAD SO THAT IS MORE OF A LEGACY ISSUE RELATIVE TO THE BUILDING.

PROBABLY DOES NICE WHEN FULLY. >> DO YOU FEEL CONFIDENT THAT WE HAVE SPENT THE RIGHT THING GOING FORWARD. IF WE MADE THIS MISTAKE IN THE PAST AND THIS IS NOT A KNOCK ON ANYONE IN THE ROOM, A GENERATOR OR FLOATING NEXT DOOR $50,000 WE TEND TO DO THESE THINGS AND IT IS NOT A ONE-OFF THAT WE TEND TO SPEC EQUIPMENT OR PROJECTS OR SOMETHING THAT ENDS UP NOT BEING THE BEST CHOICE AND IT IS EASY TO ARMCHAIR QUARTERBACK, MONDAY MORNING QUARTERBACK WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT. THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS THAT IT COSTS THE TAXPAYER MONEY WHEN WE MAKE THOSE MISTAKES SO MY QUESTION IS FOR $385,000 ARE WE CONFIDENT WE WILL HAVE THE RIGHT SIZE UNIT TO FIX THE PROBLEM?

>> I WILL TELL YOU THAT'S PROBABLY WHAT THE ENGINEERS ARE RECOMMENDING FOR THE FACILITY AS IT STANDS AND MAYBE WHAT SHOULD'VE BEEN DONE OR HAPPENED IN THE BEGINNING WITH IT. I THINK I WOULD DEFER BACK TO THE ARCHITECT OR ENGINEER'S MAKING THE SPECIFICATION CHANGES. THAT'S THE BEST I CAN OFFER

YOU. >> THANK YOU.

>> ALL RIGHT. GOING DOWN, WE WOULD ELIMINATE FIRE LOGISTICS OVERHANG IN NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET, WE WOULD REDUCE CURRENT PUBLIC

SAFETY BUDGET MND BY $50,000. >> WE PICKED 50,000 WHAT DOES

THAT MEAN? >> I WOULD HAVE TO REFER BACK TO THEM. THEY ARE TRYING TO GET TO THE POINT OF NOT CUTTING THE BUDGET DRAMATICALLY BECAUSE THEY HAVE A LIST OF THINGS THEY NEEDED. IF YOU TELL ME 50,000 VERSUS 100,000 THEY WILL TELL YOU WHAT THAT AFFECTS OFF THE LIST?

>> WHAT IS IT? TO ME 'S MECHANICAL AND ELECTRICAL.

>> MECHANICAL AND EQUIPMENT ANYTHING OVER $5000 WITH USEFUL LIFE OVER A YEAR THAT IS NOT PROJECT-BASED BUDGETING.

>> THAT ANSWER IS CORRECT, WE TAKE 50,000 REDUCTION IN THE CURRENT YEAR 50,000 FROM NEXT YEAR'S MEANING WE DIFFER

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PROJECT CODE. >> AN EXAMPLE IS IF WE HAVE A SERVER GO DOWN THAT IS A $10,000 SERVER THAT IS NOT CROSS THE THRESHOLD OF THE ROLE FOR THE PROJECT IN THE PROJECT-BASED BUDGETING WE HAVE $20,000 ABOVE BECOMES A PROJECT, $10,000 SERVER WOULD COME OUT OF THAT AND IT MAY BE SOMETHING NOT PLANNED FOR THIS YEAR BUT IT IS KEPT GOING BACK TO THE SAME DISCUSSION ABOUT OVERTIME. WHERE IS THE BALANCE POINT? HISTORICALLY WE HAVE LOOKED AT HISTORICAL BUDGETS AND TRY TO BUDGET THESE BASED ON HISTORICAL AVERAGES OF WHAT WE SUBMIT.

>> PLEASE DO NOT TELL ME THAT CUTTING THE SECOND SET HERE.

>> THAT IS NOT, THAT IS A SPECIFIC PROJECT CODE.

>> AS WE BRIEFED YOU INDIVIDUALLY THERE'S A PROJECT LIST OF THE CURRENT PROJECTS, THERE WERE SOME WE DID NOT PUT ON THE LIST ANYWHERE.

CONTINUING TO GO DOWN THE LIST. EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT OVERHANG IN THIS YEAR'S BUDGET WE WOULD ELIMINATE THE PROJECT.

>> THERE ARE TWO OVERHANGS. >> ONE AT THE EOC TO COVER EQUIPMENT STORED IN THE REAR , THE SECOND OVERHANG IS THE LOGISTICS FACILITY WHERE THE TECH WORK OUTSIDE ON THE PAD RIGHT NOW, THE GOAL WAS TO PLACE THAT SO IT COULD SHADE THEM FROM THE SUN AND GIVE THEM ALL WEATHER. NOT AS GOOD AS BEING INTERNAL OR INSIDE OF A BUILDING BUT IT GIVES THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO WORK ON GLYPHS OUTSIDE WITHOUT BEING EXPOSED.

>> TRAINING RELOCATING? >> PROPOSAL TO UTILIZE THE RUN FACILITY FOR SOME LIMITING TRAINING.

>> SORRY I LOST THAT ONE I APOLOGIZE.

>> IS IT NOT USABLE IN THE CURRENT STATE? MAYBE I NEED TO

TAKE A FIELD TRIP. >> FOR US TO UTILIZE THEY WERE GOING TO BRING IN TECHNOLOGY AND EQUIPMENT TO MAKE IT MORE COMPATIBLE WITH A TRAINING LOCATION.

>> EQUIPMENT AND TECHNOLOGY LIKE WHAT?

>> YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT WHERE YOU HAVE SCREENS AND DISPLAYS .

>> CLASSROOM TRAINING? NOT OPERATIONAL TRAINING?

>> NO , NO. >> I AM THINKING SLIDE PROJECTR OR I CAN PUT ONE IN MY PHONE NOW IN A WHITE WALL . I KNOW THAT'S NOT IDEAL , JUST TRYING , WHAT CAN WE USE?

>> THE NEXT ITEM WOULD BE REDUCING 300,000 OUT OF PUBLIC SAFETY EQUIPMENT FOR NEXT YEAR I WOULD DEFER TO THE CHIEF THERE WERE SEVERAL LINE ITEMS THEY DO HAVE PROJECTS FOR. WE JUST SAID OF ALL THE PROJECT LINE ITEMS WE WILL LOOK TO REDUCE $300,000. I DON'T KNOW THE CHIEF HAS IDENTIFIED.

>> WE HAVE IDENTIFIED FOUR PROJECT AREAS THAT HAVE REPLACEMENT AND IT HAD HAZMAT EQUIPMENT THE URBAN SEARCH AND RESCUE THE TECHNICAL RESCUE TEAM EQUIPMENT AND ADDITIONAL TRAINING EQUIPMENT AS WE MOVE TO PLACE THE NEW FACILITY AT CAMP LANDING AND INTO SERVICE FOR LIVE FIRE TRAINING. IT WOULD SHOW REDUCTION IN THOSE AREAS TO THE HAZMAT AND THE URBAN SEARCH AND RESCUE EQUIPMENT. AREAS THAT PREVIOUSLY HAD BEEN PURCHASED AND FUNDED WITH GRANTS, BUT AS THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT'S APPROACH TO HOMELAND SECURITY GRANT PROJECTS ARE CHANGING THE BURDEN IS NOW SHIFTED TO LOCAL GOVERNMENTS WHERE WE WERE PLANNING TO ABSORB THAT AS WE MOVE FORWARD.

>> WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT COMPRESSORS DOES EACH OF THEIR

OWN? >> NOT EACH ONE SO WE HAVE TO TRANSPORT. WE HAVE TWO THAT CAN TRANSFER TO THE TRAILER AND A

FIXED FACILITY VEHICLE. >> COMPRESSOR ON A TRAILER?

>> YEAH, YES. AND VEHICLE. >> I NOTICED I'M TRYING TO FIND IT BUT THERE ARE COMPRESSORS IN THE BUDGET.

>> THOSE ARE FIXED FACILITY STATION COMPRESSORS.

>> THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT BUDGET?

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>> THEY COME AS A PROJECT CODE. OPERATIONAL PROJECTS. CORRECT,

YES SIR. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON PUBLIC SAFETY BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO FACILITIES?

>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? >> I WILL BRING IT UP, YOU MENTIONED BUNKER GEAR. WE HAVE BUNKER GEAR THIS IS A SECOND

SET? >> YES, BUT WE MAINTAIN A CURRENT SET AND WE HAVE WASHER EXTRACTORS AND THINGS CONSISTENT WITH CANCER PROGRAMS TO REDUCE EXPOSURE ONCE WE HAVE IT, THE SECOND SET IS A PROPOSAL WE ARE LOOKING AT BECAUSE WHEN WE HAVE A WORKING STRUCTURE FIRE AND THE QUEBEC AND REQUIRED TO WASH THE GEAR WE HAVE A GAP UNTIL THE GEAR IS CLEAN AND THEY GO BACK INTO IT CLEAN AND DRY. SO, THE SECOND SET PROVIDES US THE OPPORTUNITY, A GREAT EXAMPLE IS UNITS THAT WORK A MOBILE HOME FIRE IN THE SOUTH END OF THE COUNTY EARLY OR LATER IN THE AFTERNOON, ON THE DAY ACE HARDWARE BURNED THEN WE ARE COMING BACK WITH DIRTY GEAR AND THROWING THEM INTO THAT FIRE AND IRONICALLY BY 10:30 THAT NIGHT WE HAD A THIRD ONE WHEN OPPORTUNITY TO GET OUT OR CHANGE GEAR OR EXCHANGE ANYTHING AND THEY WERE GOING TO ANOTHER WORKING FIRE IN OAKLEAF. THOSE

ARE RARE BUT IT DOES OCCUR. >> I GUESS THAT'S MY POINT, HOW FREQUENT DOES THAT OCCURRENCE OCCUR?

>> IT IS MORE FREQUENT WHEN YOU HAVE A FIRE IN THE COURSE OF THAT DAY AND THEY'RE HAVING TO QUICKLY WASH YEAR. IF THEY HAD A SECOND SET THAT COULD IMMEDIATELY GO TO THE SECOND SET. THEY ARE EFFECTIVELY INDIVIDUALLY REHABBED AND THEY ARE CAPABLE OF RESPONDING WHILE THE FIRST SET IS CLEANED, DRIED

AND READY TO BE DEPLOYED. >> REGIONALLY DOES JACKSONVILLE

HAVE TWO? >> IT IS BECOMING MORE OF A COMMON PRACTICE ACROSS THE STATE AS A WHOLE AND ESPECIALLY AS WE ARE BECOMING MORE INFORMED ON THE CANCER RISKS ASSOCIATED WITH

KEEPING PEOPLE IN THAT GEAR. >> THIS PROPOSAL IS , I WISH I

COULD REMEMBER . >> THAT IS A BRAND, A TYPE. WE ARE MAKING PURCHASES ALONG WITH MOVING TO A NEW VENDOR AND THAT IS A VENDOR SET . HOPEFULLY NOW IT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE GOVERNOR SIGNING THE LEGISLATION RELATIVE TO THE STATION WHERE TURNOUT GEAR REDUCTION THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT TWO THAT COMPLIANT WITH WHAT THE INTENT OF THAT FROM THE BILL IS, TO PURCHASE MANUFACTURING GEAR THAT ARE PFAS FREE WITH LESS RISK OF INTERNALLY MAINTAINING CARCINOGENS.

>> I GUESS MY QUESTION IS WHAT'S IN THE BUDGET IS FOR THE

PFAS? RESISTING? >> WE ARE PURCHASING THAT NOW SO ACTIVELY IN THE BUDGET AS IT STANDS WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF BEGINNING TO PURCHASE THOSE SETS WITH MOVES TO CONTINUE TO PURCHASE IN THOSE DIRECTIONS THAT'S PART OF NEXT YEAR'S

BUDGET, TOO. >> WE HAVE BEEN ASKING FOR THAT AND I HAVE , YOU KNOW CHIEF MY DAUGHTER HAS FRIENDS THAT ARE NEW FIREFIGHTERS AND THEY ARE OUT TELLING PEOPLE THAT THEY DON'T HAVE TIME TO WASH THEIR GEAR, THEY DON'T WASH THEIR GEAR HARDLY. THEY ARE IN ONE OF THE HIGHEST CANCER-CAUSING CAREERS THAT THERE IS AN YET THEY ARE NOT ABLE TO WASH THEIR GEAR. SO I AM PRAYING ORDER THESE. I KNOW YOU BEEN WAITING FOR THE PFAS CERTIFICATION WITH A DIFFERENT GEAR THIS IS REALLY GOING TO HAPPEN THIS YEAR AND NEXT YEAR.

>> I DON'T KNOW THE SPECIFIC INSTANCE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT, BUT LITERALLY, THAT IS A REQUIREMENT WHEN THEY RETURN FIRST OF ALL THEY SHOULD BE DECON ON SITE WHICH MEANS CLEANING THE GEAR BEFORE THEY LEAVE THE SCENE BUT UPON RETURN TO THE STATION, THAT'S WHEN WE ARE LOOKING TO GET THE GEAR INTO THE WASHER EXTRACTORS. FROM A PRACTICAL STANDPOINT IF THEY ARE ON DUTY AND THEY HAVE D CAN'T BUT WE DON'T HAVE A SECOND SET IT'S HARD TO GET OUT OF SOMETHING I'M NOT HAVE CAPABILITY TO RESPOND SO TYPICALLY HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL THE

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SECOND SETS. >> THAT IS WHAT HE WAS SAYING.

IF THEY HAVE A SECOND FIRE THEY ARE OUT OF LUCK SO THEY HAVE TO HAVE THE GEAR AND OF COURSE THAT CAN HAPPEN. MANY TIMES. OKAY.

>> I AGREE THAT IS NOT. >> AGAIN NOT A RECOMMENDATION

ABOUT FIRE GEAR. >> OTHER QUESTIONS FOR CHIEF?

>> MOVING TO THE NEXT SLIDE PLEASE FACILITY RELATED. THE TOP SIX ITEMS ARE REDUCTIONS IN NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET. THE ARBOR LIST, THE WINDOWS AT THE LIBRARY , RESTROOMS AT OMEGA PARK, ORANGE

PARK LIBRARY >> ARBOR LIFT? WHAT IS THAT?

>> ARBOR LIFT? >> THAT IS A LIFT THAT'S LIGHTWEIGHT. SO IN THE BACK OF THE BUILDING REDO PRESSURE WASHING THAT TAKES TWO OR THREE PARKING SPOTS, WE ARE REQUESTING A TRACK LIFT THAT IS LIGHTWEIGHT TO GO ACROSS SIDEWALKS AND IT WILL NOT CRACK THEM AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO WAIT IN THE FIELDS OR BUILDINGS TO DRY OUT SO I USE , TRYING TO REPLACE THOSE LIGHTS WE HAD TO WAIT FOR THE FIELD TO GET DRY BEFORE WE GET OUT OF THE BUCKET TRUCK. THIS IS LIGHT ENOUGH TO GO OUT

TO GET OUT AND REPAIR. >> DON'T HAVE ONE NOW?

>> NO SIR. >> WE JUST WAIT FOR THE TRUCK

AND DRIVE? CAN YOU LEASE ONE? >> WE CAN RENT ONE WITH A DIRE EMERGENCY. WE ARE TRYING TO BUILD THE CAPACITY.

>> $200,000, I DON'T KNOW HOW OFTEN YOU USE IT. YOU WOULD USE

IT MORE IF YOU HAD ONE? >> BRIGHT, LIKE GUTTER CLEANING.

WE GET AROUND GET EVERYTHING OUT TO OTHER BUILDINGS. USE IT AS

SUCH AS WELL. >> THANK YOU.

>> THE NEXT IS BUILDING AUTOMATIC CONTROLS. YOU ARE GOING ON THAT. AND OUT OF THIS CURRENT YEAR BUDGET WE HAD 60,000 TO KIND OF HELP LAY OUT THE THIRD FLOOR, TALK TO THE COUNTY MANAGER CUTTING THAT BASICALLY EVERYBODY MOVES OFF THE THIRD FLOOR WE WOULD FIGURE OUT OFFICES AND CUBES AND DO IT INTERNALLY. ELIMINATING BUILDING MAINTENANCE STORAGE.

>> GO BACK TO THAT. I THINK WE SHOULD DO THAT REGARDLESS. TO SPEND $60,000 TO HIRE SOMEONE OUTSIDE THERE IS A PERFECTLY GOOD OFFICE AND CUBICLES . EVERY TIME INTO A BASKET TURNOVER WHICH SEEMS LIKE IT'S EVERY OTHER WEEK I WALKING AND THERE'S DIFFERENT PEOPLE IN DIFFERENT PLACES AND WE HAVE TO BUILD NEW PLACES FOR THEM TO SIT AND BUY NEW FURNITURE. I HAVE HAD THE SAME I HAVE HAD MORE OFFICES IN THIS BUILDING THAN THE REST OF THESE SITTING AROUND HERE BECAUSE I HAVE HAD TO CHANGE SO I'VE HAD THREE DIFFERENT OFFICES AS MY TIME AS A COMMISSIONER AND I HAVE SET IN THE SAME CHAIR IN ALL OF THEM AND TO TAKE MY ONE FILE CABINET AND A TICKET WITH ME. TERESA USUALLY HAS TO HELP ME OR DO IT FOR ME AND I AM IN TWO BOXES AND A FILE CABINET, IT SHOULD NOT BE THIS HARD. I GET IT WE'RE NOT HERE ALL DAY EVERY DAY AND YOU ALL ARE, BUT COME ON.

>> THERE ARE ALREADY FUNCTIONING OFFICES TODAY .

>> WE ARE NOT MOVING FURNITURE NEXT DOOR ARE WE? I HOPE THE NEW BUILDING CAME WITH NEW FURNITURE.

>> IT DID NOT, THAT'S A POINT OF CONVERSATION.

>> WE FOUND $50,000 IN THE FUEL TANK. LOVELY.

>> ELIMINATE IMPROVEMENTS AT THE DIFFERENT FACILITIES THE ORANGE PARK FLOORS, ORANGE PARK LIGHTS , THE ONE THAT MAY COME INTO THE APPROPRIATION REQUEST, KEYSTONE RESTROOM IN THE GREEN COLD RENOVATION WHICH MOST OF THAT HAS BEEN DONE ALREADY IN HOUSE.

AND GREEN COVE SPRINGS LIBRARY WILL NOT GET REPLACED THIS YEAR.

>> THAT WAS 500,000. >> IT'S MORE THAN JUST A LIGHTING BECAUSE THEY WERE GOING TO DO THE PARKING LOT AND

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>> IF THE GOVERNOR SIGNS IT. >> IF THE GOVERNOR SIGNS IT .

ANY QUESTIONS ON FACILITIES? MOVING ON PARKS AND RECREATION.

YES SORRY. >> WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT CUTTING THESE BUILDING AUTOMATIC CONTROLS, CAN YOU CLARIFY WHAT CONTROLS YOUR WANTING TO CUT OUT?

>> I WOULD DIFFER THAT, IT'S IMPROVEMENTS, NOTHING CURRENTLY

EXISTING. >> IT WOULD BE THE ADMINISTRATION BUILDING WE ARE TARGETING FOR AUTOMATED CONTROLS. TARGETING THE STRATEGIC PLAN AND ENERGY EFFICIENT WE WOULD SET THESE TO HIGHER TEMPERATURE AT NIGHT WHEN NOBODY IS IN HERE SO YOU'RE NOT RUNNING CONSTANTLY 72 DEGREES WHEN NOBODY IS HERE SO THAT ALLOWS US TO GO HIGHER WHEN EVERYBODY'S HERE AND COLLECT DOWN BEFORE PEOPLE GET TO WORK

AND GO BACK AND FORTH. >> THAT'S JUST ONE EXAMPLE I WOULD IMAGINE. I WONDER IF IMPLEMENTING SOMETHING LIKE THIS WOULD ADJUST THE COST IN OTHER PARTS WE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT. IT WOULD HAVE SECOND AND THIRD ORDER OF EFFECT BECAUSE WE TALK ABOUT AC RUNNING TOO COLD IN SOME LOCATIONS. SO I'M WONDERING WHAT'S THE DELTA IF YOU IMPLEMENT $70,000 HERE TO GENERATE A COST SAVINGS ELSEWHERE HOW MUCH REALLY ARE WE

LOOKING TO SAVE . >> TALKING ROI.

>> EXACTLY. >> WE CAN SIT DOWN AND DO WORKSHEET WE WOULD EXTEND THE LIFECYCLE ON THESE BY NOT HAVING THEM RUN 24 HOURS AT A CERTAIN TEMPERATURE BY INFLUENCING THESE CONTROLS. WE WORK WITH OMB ON WHAT THE ROI WOULD LOOK LIKE AND

WHEN YOU GET INVESTMENT BACK. >> I THOUGHT THIS CAPABILITY WOULD ALLOW US TO REGULATE OFF-SITE WHICH WE DON'T HAVE THE CAPABILITY RIGHT NOW IS THAT CORRECT?

>> WE DO WITH EOC AND COURTHOUSE. SO WE'RE TRYING TO GET EACH BUILDING THERE, AUTOMATED CONTROLS OR PROGRAMMABLE THERMOSTATS TO COME IN HERE AND GO OVER PROGRAM AND WHAT TIME AND TEMPERATURE YOU WANT IT AT.

>> THE ONLY TIME FOR RETURN ON INVESTMENT AND THAT IS A DECISION OF IF YOU IMPLEMENT THIS THE RETURN ON INVESTMENT IS FIVE YEARS PLUS IT IS THAT DELTA DO YOU SPEND MORE MONEY NOW TO SAVE MONEY IN THE LONG RUN THAT MEANS YOU HAVE TO CUT SOMETHING ELSE OUT OF THE BUDGET TO MAKE THE BUDGET BALANCED IF YOU IMPLEMENT THOSE CONTROLS. THAT IS THE DILEMMA.

>> SPECIFIC TO THE ADMIN BUILDING ?

>> NOT ACROSS THE ENTIRE COUNTY AS YOUR BUILDING NEW BUILDINGS

THIS IS IMPLEMENTED. >> MY QUESTION DID THIS COME WITH A NEW BUILDING SINCE FURNITURE DIDN'T? DID IT? DO WE

KNOW? >> REMOTE CONTROL CAME WITH THE

NEW BUILDING. >> YOU WOULD THINK THOSE ARE NOT PROGRAMMABLE OVER THERE? THOSE THERMOSTATS?

>> PROGRAMMABLE THERMOSTAT YOU CAN BUY FOR A HOME $59. IT LOOKS SIMILAR TO THAT ONE. NOT MY WHEELHOUSE, SORRY. NOT MY

VERTICAL. SORRY. >> NEXT MOVING TO PARKS AND REC.

PARKS AND REC, THE SAME SIMPLE PROCESS. I WILL MAKE A CAVEAT TO THAT ONE IT IS A $1.6 MILLION BUT YOU ARE CURRENTLY IN DESIGN.

WE WOULD BASICALLY COMPLETE THE DESIGN WHICH IS WHAT THE 200,000 IS, WE WOULD COMPLETE THE DESIGN AND SELL THE PROJECT IS WHAT WE ARE ESTIMATE, SAME WITH CAMP CHILD TRAILS.

>> IS WHEN THE DOCTORS LIKE IMPROVEMENTS WHAT ARE THEY?

>> YES, THE IMPROVEMENT FOR DOCTORS LIKE IS A THREE PHASED

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IS THREE PHASES OUT OF THAT. >> IS THIS LAKESHORE FOR THE DOCTORS LIKE? A LITTLE BIT FURTHER WEST OF LAKESHORE BOAT

RAMP? >> THE FIRST SECTION OF WHAT YOU MENTION WITH A KAYAK LAUNCH AND THAT KIND OF THING, CAN THAT BE PAID OUT OF THE VOTER IMPROVEMENT FUND?

>> THE IMPROVEMENT FUND HAS TO BE MOTORIZED VEHICLES, IF YOU'RE BUILDING A DOCK THAT THE BOAT CONNECTS THEN YES , BUT FOR A

KAYAK LAUNCH, NO MA'AM. >> YES MA'AM AND WE ARE EXPLORING GREEN OPPORTUNITIES WITH THE GREEN TEAM. SO WE ARE WAITING ON THAT AND OF COURSE WAITING FOR TALLAHASSEE, FUNDING MAY BE AN OPTION FOR THOSE GRANTS, TOO. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS

ON THAT? >> BEFORE YOU LEAVE, TREEHOUSE.

IS IT FUNCTIONAL TODAY? >> THE TREEHOUSE DOES NOT EXIST, IN 2023 A TREE FELL ON IT AND FLATTENED IT SO A TREE KNOCKED ON THE TREEHOUSE SO IT IS COMPLETELY FLAT. WE PULLED IT OUT SO IT IS FLAT NOW AROUND 60% DESIGN OF THAT REMODELING AND WE WERE LOOKING FOR A DIFFERENT TYPE OF EXPERIENCE AS OPPOSED TO MAKING IT STAIRS TYPE , WE WOULD MAKE IT MORE ACCESSIBLE OPTION AND LOWER TO THE GROUND WITH THE LAST WINDOW AS OPPOSED TO THE SCREEN WITH CLIMATE CONTROL SO WE WERE LOOKING AT A DIFFERENT TYPE OF TREEHOUSE FOR THAT WITH ESTIMATES AROUND 100,000.

>> IS THAT ALSO A POTENTIAL REVENUE STREAM OR IS THAT JUST

FOR FREE EVENTS? WOULD YOU BE >> THE TREEHOUSE IS CAN BE RENTED, $35 A NIGHT. WE WILL LOOK TO CHANGE THE PRICE OF THAT TREEHOUSE IF AND WHEN WE MOVED TO THAT BECAUSE IT IS CLIMATE CONTROLLED AS OPPOSED TO THE OTHER TREEHOUSE IS CURRENTLY $35

A NIGHT. >> A LOT OF MONEY FOR $150,000.

>> WE WOULD FINISH THE DESIGN AND TABLE TO PROJECT AND LOOK FOR GRANT SPONSORSHIPS AND OTHER REVENUE STREAMS TO PAY FOR THAT CONSTRUCTION IS WHAT WE WOULD RECOMMEND. MOVING DOWN THE LIST, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE MOST OF THESE ITEMS WE TALKED ABOUT.

MORE LIGHTING $1 MILLION NEXT YEAR BUDGET THE MOODY PARK REMODEL IS 70,000 CURRENT YEAR BUDGET, FAIRGROUNDS MAINTENANCE

SHED $40,000 NEXT YEAR BUDGET. >> MOODY PARK THAT'S JUST AN UPGRADE? I MEAN IT IS STILL FUNCTIONAL NOW.

>> CURRENTLY STILL FUNCTIONAL. >> SPECIAL NEEDS CERTIFIED.

SPITEFULLY ACCESSIBLE AND INCLUSIVE WITH WHEELCHAIR ACCESS, THE ONLY PLAYGROUND CLAY COUNTY PARKS AND REC HAS WITH

THAT CAPABILITY. >> WE WOULD KEEP IT WITHIN THE REPERTOIRE OF PARKS AND REC? IT IS STILL FUNCTIONAL AND STILL MEETS ALL THE STANDARDS? FOR ACCESSIBILITY AND ALL OF THAT?

>> YES SIR. >> MOVING ON DOWN, THE GUN RANGE WOULD BE REMOVED FROM NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET. STATION IMPROVEMENTS REMOVED FROM NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET, REMOVE SCOREBOARDS FROM THIS YEAR'S BUDGET, ON THAT NOTE WE HAVE A MEETING WITH A POTENTIAL SPONSOR. GUN RANGE SHED REMOVED

FROM THIS YEAR'S BUDGET. >> WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN GUN RANGE SHED AND? BOND?

>> THE SHED IS A NEW SHED IN DESIGN TO BE BUILT ON SITE DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM WHERE THE GUN RANGE SITS AND THAT WILL

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THE BARN IS ON SITE THERE ARE TWO BARNS, IF YOU'RE DRIVING TO THE MAIN ENTRY ROAD AND YOU LOOK AT THE NEW PORTABLE BUILDING TO THE RIGHT THERE IS A BOND BUT IF YOU STAY STRAIGHT AHEAD THERE'S ANOTHER THAT GOES DIRECTLY TO THE SOUTHEAST PORTION OF THE PROPERTY , THE ROOF IS KIND OF HALF THERE SO THE BARN PROJECT WOULD BE TO REPLACE THE ROOF TO STORE THE TRACTORS AND THE LARGER PIECES OF EQUIPMENT AND THE ATVS, YOU TVS AND ZERO TURN MOWERS WILL GO TO THE SHED THAT IS UNDER DESIGN.

>> OKAY. >> REMOVE THE BLEACHER AND BENCH REPLACEMENT PROGRAM. REPLACE THE COURT LIGHTING TO 100,000 SO REDUCE SCOPE AND REDUCE THE CAMP REPAIRS WE CURRENTLY HAVE IN THE BUDGET WITH MISCELLANEOUS REPAIRS FOR THE DRIVEWAY AND A FEW OTHER THINGS. WE WOULD REDUCE THAT DOWN OUT OF NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET. THIS YEAR AND NEXT YEAR. ANY QUESTIONS ON

PARKS AND REC? >> NEXT ONE WOULD BE LOOKING AT PUBLIC WORKS AND ENGINEERING. 450,000 SIDEWALK REPAIRS, WE HAVE REDUCED BY 200,000. IN NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET, STORM WATER REPAIRS AS I SAID EARLIER 4 MILLION TO 5 MILLION, WE HAD 2.1 MILLION IN THE PROPOSED BUDGET, REDUCE THAT BY 250,000. WE WOULD REMOVE THE STORAGE BUILDINGS FOR TRAFFIC, WE WOULD REMOVE COED.

>> STORM WATER REPAIRS, THESE ARE REPAIRS ALREADY EVALUATED

AND REQUIRED? >> I WILL DEFER TO ERIC ON HIS LIST BUT IT IS MOSTLY PROJECTS REQUESTED BY CITIZENS OR THROUGH

THE COMMISSION. >> YES SIR, THOSE HAVE ALREADY BEEN IDENTIFIED WITH A TOTAL OF 27 PROJECTS THAT WE ARE PUT TOGETHER AND THE LIST IS GROWING, BUT LOOKING AT THOSE IN PARTICULAR, THOSE ARE PROJECTS THAT PUBLIC WORKS CANNOT FIX ON

OUR OWN. >> ORIGINAL ASKED WAS HOW MUCH?

>> ORIGINAL ASKED WAS ALL 27 KNOWN PROJECTS AT THE TIME ABOUT THE 4 MILLION RANGE AND THIS YEAR'S BUDGET WAS GOING TO GIVE US HALF AT 2.1, TO DO 11 PROJECTS.

>> THESE ARE KNOWN PROJECTS? >> THESE ARE KNOWN , ESTIMATED OUT AND HIGH ENOUGH A PRIORITY THAT WE BELIEVE THESE SHOULD BE DONE SOON TO PREVENT ANY FURTHER DAMAGE OR POTENTIAL SAFETY

HAZARDS. >>

>> ERIC, THAT IS HARD BECAUSE I HAVE THE ONE LADY COMPLAINED ABOUT WITH A 90 SOMETHING-YEAR-O LD MOTHER IN THE SINKHOLE AND IT IS A UNFUNDED DRAINAGE PROJECT OF $200,000.

>> YES MA'AM. >> IT IS HARD. HOW MANY PROJECTS DO YOU HAVE ON THE LIST THAT ARE UNFUNDED TODAY THAT ARE NOT IN

THE 25-26 BUDGET? >> IT IS GOING EVERY DAY BUT WE ARE FIVE ADDITIONAL TO THE 27 KNOWN AND IT TAKES A WHILE. WHEN WE IDENTIFY WE GO THROUGH THE PRIORITY PROCESS OF SAFETY VERSUS THE OTHER PIECES TO IT AND ESTIMATING HOW MUCH IT COSTS

AND PUTTING IT IN THAT LIST. >> MADAM CHAIR THAT IS A GOOD POINT. HOW MANY WERE ON THE LIST WHEN YOU SUBMITTED OMB? 27.

SINCE THE PROCESS HAS STARTED WE HAVE FIVE MAKE MORE.

>> THAT MAY NOT INCLUDE GOING IN.

>> OUR SYSTEM IS WHERE WE ARE SERVICE BASED SO WHEN WE GET A SERVICE REQUEST OR WE GO OUT AND LOOK AND IDENTIFY SOMETHING THAT'S WHEN WE PUT THEM ON THE LIST BUT WE DON'T HAVE A PROACTIVE RESPONSE TO THIS , I WOULD SAY THE LIST WOULD BE MUCH MUCH HIGHER IF WE WERE ABLE TO DO PROACTIVE LOOKING AT THE STORM WATER SYSTEMS WE HAVE. WE HAVE AN AGING AND SLOWLY FAILING

SYSTEM. >> THIS IS A REACTIVE PROCESS.

>> TO GO TRY TO BAND-AID IT YOU TELL THEM WE CAN'T DO IT NOW?

>> WE TRY TO MAKE IT AS SAFE AS POSSIBLE. IF IT EVER GETS TO THE POINT WHERE WE KNOW IT IS IMMINENT FOR COLLAPSE OR FAILURE, WE BRING IT UP TO THE EMERGENCY LEVEL. EACH ONE OF THESE, SOME ARE CLOSER TO THE LEVEL THAN OTHERS BUT EVERY ONE OF THEM AS BEST WE CAN JUST LIKE THE ONE YOU SAID BEFORE THERE

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>> GOING IN ITS THE SCHOOL BUS STOP AND IT DROPS OFF INTO THE CONCRETE. WHEN WILL THAT GIVE AWAY , YOU DON'T KNOW. I DO HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOUR. A NEIGHBORHOOD LIKE THAT BUILT 20 YEARS AGO WITH LONG CONCRETE GOING DOWN INTO THE STORM WATER DRAINS THAT GO TO BLACK CREEK. WHEN WE HAVE TO REPLACE IT BECAUSE NOW IT HAS FAILED, WE DO NOT REPLACE IT WITH CONCRETE.

>> A LOT OF TIMES THAT IS CORRUGATED METAL PIPE AND THE SERVICE LIFE OF THAT IS 25 TO 35 YEARS DEPENDING ON CONDITIONS.

CONCRETE TYPICALLY IS 100 YEAR LIFESPAN AND THE ADVANCED DRAINAGE SYSTEM PIPES HAVE 100 YEARS SERVICE LIFE. WE WILL PROBABLY SEE THE MOST IS A COMBINATION OF CONCRETE BOXES WITH CMP PIPES. WHEN YOU LOOK ACROSS THE BOARD THEY ARE ALL ON A TIME SPAN THEIR GETTING CLOSE TO REPLACEMENT OR SOME KIND OF

MAINTENANCE. >> BECAUSE THE PIPE THE CORRUGATED METAL FAILS BUT YOU CANNOT ACCESS IT. SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WERE HERE WHEN WE HAD TO DO THE PINE IN THE DISTRICT I FORGET THE NAME OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. TWO PINES? TWO

CREEKS. >> PINERIDGE, THE ROAD.

>> I KNEW THERE WAS PINE IN THE NAME. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WERE HERE OR NOT, BUT IN THIS EMERGENCY THE ROAD IS CAVING IN AND IT COULD TAKE THESE PEOPLE'S HOUSES AND IT SEEMS LIKE SOME OF THIS IS THE SAME AGE SO MY QUESTION FOR YOU IS , DO WE HAVE ANY IDEA HOW MUCH INFRASTRUCTURE AROUND THE COUNTY IS ABOUT THE SAME AGE AND COULD IT BE DONE, WE KNOW THAT WAS

DONE INCORRECTLY. >> THE BOTTOM ANSWER IS NO WE DO NOT KNOW. WE ARE ON REACTIVE SO I WOULD SAY TYPICALLY WHEN DEVELOPERS DID SUBDIVISIONS THEY CHOSE THE CHEAPEST OR THE MOST ECONOMY MATERIALS AND THAT WAS USUALLY CMP.

>> THROUGH THE CHAIR. ONE THING COMING UP IS THE STORM WATER STUDY BEING COMPLETED. GOOD NEWS YOU HAVE A STORM WATER STUDY COMING UP AND PART OF THAT WILL TELL YOU WHERE SOME OF THESE POTENTIAL FAILURES ARE AT AND OTHER ISSUES THAT MAY NEED TO BE FIXED. THAT WILL BE AN OPTION TO BRING BACK TO THE BOARD AFTER THE STORM WATER STUDY IS TO LOOK AT POTENTIAL STORMWATER FEE MAYBE THAT'S NOT POPULAR BUT THAT IS ANOTHER FUNDING MECHANISM TO OFFSET STORMWATER PROJECTS, FOR THE STORMWATER FEE LIKE MUNICIPALITIES HAVE TO USE A DEDICATED STREAM FOR THE STORMWATER REPAIRS AND REPLACEMENT.

>> WHEN WE DID THIS BEFORE, DID WE DO THE STUDY?

>> WE DID NOT DO A FULL STUDY LAST TIME. THE INFORMATION PLAN FOR THAT WAS NOT ACROSS THE BOARD A FLAT FEE BY EVERY PARCEL VERSUS A FEE BASED ON SQUARE FOOTAGE OR IMPERVIOUS SURFACE OR BY THE MUNICIPALITIES. SO A LITTLE DIFFERENT METHODOLOGY IS WHAT WE RECOMMEND. NOT TRYING TO GET AHEAD OF THE STUDY BUT IT FELT LIKE AN OPPORTUNE TIME TO BRING IT UP THAT IS COMING IN.

RICHARD THAT IS DUE? SO BEFORE LONG YOU LOVE THE STORM WATER

STUDY BROUGHT TO THE BOARD. >> THE POINT I'M TRYING TO MAKE IS WE HAVE SEEN THE ISSUE BEFORE, WE THE COMMISSION, NOT US AND IT WAS NOT SUCCESSFUL. SO ARE WE DOING THE SAME WAY AND

MAY GET THE SAME RESULTS? >> I THINK WE WILL APPROACH IT A

LITTLE DIFFERENTLY. >> OTHER QUESTIONS? ERIC WHILE YOU ARE UP HERE, TROY HAS NOT GOTTEN DOWN THERE , THE TRAFFIC STORAGE BUILDING TRAFFIC IS THAT RICHARDS? ON YOUR REDUCED BRIDGE REPAIRS THAT IS RICHARDS? SO SLEEPY HOLLOW OFFICE IS YOURS?

>> YES MA'AM THAT IS A TRAILER FROM ABOUT THE 1980S. ORIGINALLY

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>> THAT IS THE OFFICE WHERE THE ATTENDANT WORKS AT SLEEPY

HOLLOW? >> YES OR. NOT ECC, JUST PUBLIC

WORKS IN THE PIT. >> THEY DON'T HAVE AC?

>> THEY HAVE A WINDOW UNIT THAT GETS IT WERE IN THE MORNING THEY CAN WORK AND IN THE AFTERNOON AFTER LEAVE DEPENDING ON THE TIME OF YEAR. IT DOES NOT KEEP UP WITH WHAT'S THERE. 6000 YES

MA'AM. >> THEY DID OR DIDN'T?

>> WHICH IS PUT A WINDOW UNIT FOR NOW.

>> WHY CAN WE DO 6000? >> IT WAS A BAND-AID, LIKE IT'S QUITE OLD VERY OLD AND YOU CAN SEE PIECES THROUGH IT AND IT IS NOT KEEP UP SO THAT'S WHY WE ORIGINALLY LOOKED FOR

REPLACEMENT TO BRING IT UP. >> DOES THE DISTRICT HAVE

PORTABLES THERE GETTING RID OF? >> THAT'S WHAT I LEANED OVER TO ASK THE COUNTY MANAGER. IS THIS ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY WHERE WE CAN GO TO THE SCHOOL BOARD AND LOOK AT THE PORTABLE, PAYING THE MOVE EXPENSE AND DOING IN CYCLING UP. WE DID AT THE CLEANUP , THAT'S ANOTHER OPTION TO LOOK AT TO SEE IF IT FITS THE NEED.

>> THESE PEOPLE ANSWER PHONES, WHAT ARE THEY DOING?

>> IN THE BEGINNING OF THE DAY THE ASSISTANT SUPERINTENDENT SITS IN THERE A GOOD PORTION OF THE DAY RECEIVING SERVICE REQUEST AND THEN DIVVIES OUT THE WORK. MOST OF THE WORK GROUP COMES IN IN THE MORNING, THEIR WORK AND DO INVENTORY AND ARE HEADED OUT FOR THE DAY. THEY USUALLY COME BACK FOR LUNCH SOMETIMES AND AT THE END OF THE DAY THEY GO TO DO THE PAPERWORK FOR EVERYTHING THEY DID FOR THE DAY.

>> THAT IS A PRIORITY. >> I'M SORRY TROY I KNOW YOU SAID BUT MY BRAIN DID NOT KEEP UP WITH YOU. WHEN YOU TOLD US REDUCED STORMWATER REPAIRS YOU WERE ALREADY REDUCING THE ASK FROM 4.2 MILLION, TO 2.1 AND TAKE IT DOWN ANOTHER 250?

>> WE ONLY HAD 2.1 MILLION IN THE BUDGET TO START SO WE BASICALLY TOOK HALF OF WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT AND NEED TO REDUCE FURTHER IN ORDER TO MAKE THE BUDGET WORK.

>> OKAY. >> THIS IS WHERE THE DIFFICULT

PHONE CALLS COME FROM. >> AND THEN I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ON THE STUFF FOR RICHARD, SLEEPY HOLLOW OR THE STORAGE BUILDING OR THE BRIDGE REPAIRS , THAT'S WHERE WE ARE

AT. >> THANK YOU, ERIC.

>> HEY TROY I HATE TO BEAT A DEAD HORSE BUT I'M CURIOUS, ISN'T THE KNOLLS PIT OFFICE SIMILARLY CONDITION?

>> I WOULD HAVE TO DEFER BACK TO ERIC.

>> I REMEMBER WHEN WE DID MY TOUR.

>> I KNOW WE WERE WORKING ON SOMETHING.

>> I THOUGHT WE BUILT THE SAME BUILDING THAT WE DID AT MASTERS.

>> THAT'S WHY I COULDN'T REMEMBER WHERE THAT'S AT IN THE

PROCESS. >> I WAS NERVOUS IT WAS NOT ON THE LIST BUT THEY ARE GOOD TO GO.

>> THEY HAVE A NICE FACILITY AND IT IS STORM RATED SO THEY CAN

STAY. >> THAT'S GOOD NEWS,

SILVERLINING. >> WE HAVE FIXED TWO.

>> TIM, THERE IS YOUR BACKUP EOC.

>> THANK YOU, ERIC. APPRECIATE IT.

>> YES CHAIRMAN ABOUT THE STORAGE BUILDINGS, THAT IS FOR EQUIPMENT SUCH AS DIGITAL SPEED LIMIT SIGNS ARRIVING ANY DAY NOW AND OTHER STUFF , THE MESSAGE BOARDS WE HAVE. ALSO WITH THE OPENING OF STATE ROAD 23 WE WILL PICK UP ABOUT 28 OR SO ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC SIGNALS THAT WE WILL BE NOT ONLY MAINTENANCE AND REPLACING AND MONITORING, WE WILL PAY FOR THOSE. SO THE FEE WE GET FROM FLORIDA D.O.T. WILL INCREASE SO THAT'S JUST FOR THE ADDITIONAL SERVICE AND STORAGE AND STUFF LIKE THAT, YES SIR.

>> THE MESSAGE BOARDS ON THE TRAILER THINGS?

>> YEAH, WE REALLY NEED THEM. WE WILL BEG THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE

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WE ALSO SHARE WITH THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT, THEY PURCHASED

RECENTLY ALONG WITH EOC. >> I THINK ORANGE PARK HAS TWO , I SEE THEM ONCE IN A WHILE. ARE THEY AVAILABLE?

>> WE HAVE A GOOD RELATIONSHIP WITH ORANGE PARKS PUBLIC WORKS, WE TAKE CARE OF THE SIGNALS. WE TAKE CARE SIGNALS IN ORANGE PARK FOR ORANGE PARK, ORANGE PARK GETS THE FLORIDA D.O.T. STIPEND EACH YEAR. WE CREATED A RELATIONSHIP THAT WORKS. I SEE THE ONE COMING INTO TOWN OFF OF DOCTORS LAKE BRIDGE NORTHBOUND TELLING YOU TO DRIVE SAFE. I'M SURE THEY UTILIZE THEIRS, BUT OURS IS MORE WE USE A LOT TODAY REACTIVE. YOU KNOW WE'VE GOT TO GET OUT WHEN THINGS HAPPEN, LIKE THE SANDRIDGE PEDESTRIAN CROSSING AND OTHER ISSUES. WE NEED THEM FOR RESURFACING, RESURFACING THINGS ARE SHORT, MAYBE ONE WEEK OR TWO BUT YOU WANT TO ALERT DRIVERS AND COMMUTERS WE HAVE A DELAY AHEAD

OF TIME. >> WANT TO SWITCH GEARS A LITTLE BIT, THE NEIGHBORHOOD SPEED LIMIT SIGNS. I CANNOT FIND IT REAL QUICK BUT $100,000 IN NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET? IT IS NOT ON THIS LIST. ONCE AGAIN I'M LOOKING NEED TO HAVE AND WANT TO HAVE. QUITE HONESTLY I WANT THOSE, I DON'T KNOW WE NEED THOSE. SO I WOULD RECOMMEND $100,000 WE COULD SAVE.

>> THAT IS AT THE BOARD'S DISCRETION. WE ASKED STUFF PUT TOGETHER A FIRST BLUSH LIST, IF THERE ARE OTHER PROJECTS YOU WANT US TO LOOK AT REMOVING OR SUBSTITUTING IN AND OUT AND THAT'S AT THE DISCRETION OF THE BOARD. WE JUST KNOW WHAT THE NUMBER IS TO CLOSE THE GAP TO GET TO THE BALANCE.

SO AT THIS POINT. >> BRIDGE REPAIRS.

>> THE BRIDGE REPAIRS AGAIN, THAT'S KIND OF A LINE ITEM PUT IN THERE . RIFF CERTAIN BRIDGES SUCH AS TO 17, OLD CARTER WROTE INTO 18 THAT ARE SCOUR CRITICAL SO WE HAVE TO CHECK THEM AFTER ANY EVENT , EVEN THE ONE ON SUNDAY OVER THE WEEKEND WITH A COUPLE EVENTS WE GO OUT AND OUR ENGINEER GOES AND CHECKS TO SEE IF WE NEED TO GO AT MORE ROCK AND MAKE ANY SORT OF WROTE CONTROL REPAIRS. WE HAVE HAD A GOOD YEAR AND NOT USED A LOT OF

THAT MONEY THIS YEAR YET. >> SO THAT'S ONLY A REDUCTION FOR THIS YEAR'S BUDGET? NOT NEXT YEAR?

>> CORRECT AND IT DOESN'T ROLLOVER, KIND OF LIKE THE GUARD RAIL BUDGET IT ROLLS OVER, THIS YEAR WE ABOUT SOME REAL MARKED IMPROVEMENT ON DRIVERS, THEY HAVE NOT HIT AS MANY GUARDRAILS

AS NORMAL. SOMETHING IS WORKING. >> AND THEN ON REDUCING

ENGINEERING PLANS. >> THAT IS MORE OF A BUDGET WE WILL GET WHEN WE NEED SOMETHING LIKE , IT GOES BEYOND THE TIME ME AND MY STAFF CAN DO. SAY WE NEED OLD STATION 14 FIRE DEPARTMENT, THEY NEED TO GET THEIR PARKING LOT PAVED, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING. WE HAVE ON CALL SERVICES WHICH MAY BE 15 OR 20,000 HERE OR THERE. LAKE GENEVA RESTORATION WE WERE ABLE TO DO IN-HOUSE AND THAT SAVES PROBABLY UNDER $120,000 IN PERMITTING FEES BECAUSE WE REQUESTED TO USE PART OF THE MONEY WITH ONE OF OUR ON-CALL , ONE OF OUR ON-CALL CONSULTANTS TO DO A PERMIT FOR THE MOODY AVENUE PARK WHERE WE ARE PUTTING IN A SMALL 1800 SQUARE FOOT AREA AND IT CAME BACK LIKE $65,000.

WE WERE ABLE TO DO A PLAN TOGETHER AND WE GOT THE PERMIT THROUGH THE PARK I MADE TO THE ENGINEERING OFFICE. THAT'S WHAT

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>> SORRY. >> YOU MENTION GUARDRAIL REPLACEMENT AND IT BROUGHT TO MIND THE RISK MANAGER SITTING BACK THERE, RECOVERY MOST GUARDRAILS ARE DAMAGED BY VEHICLES. IT IS MANDATORY TO HAVE INSURANCE AND WE TALK ABOUT BRIDGE REPAIR AND I'M THINKING OF THE WALKING BRIDGE ON 17 THAT HAS BEEN HIT TWICE IN THE LAST THREE YEARS. ARE WE RECOVERING MONEY FROM INSURANCE COMPANIES? I KNOW WE ASK BUT DOES IT ACTUALLY COME TO FRUITION AND WE RECOVER MONEY FOR GUARDRAIL

REPLACEMENT THAT PEOPLE HIT? >> YES OR, IT DEPENDS ON THE INCIDENT. SOME WE DO SOME OF THEM. WE HAVE NOT, LUCKILY WE HAVE NOT HAD THAT MAY GUARDRAIL ISSUES THIS YEAR SO I HAVE NOT HAD TO RECOVER ANYTHING. WE DID RECOVER ON THE WOODEN BRIDGE A COUPLE YEARS AGO OCTOBER IN 23 WE DID RECOVER THAT AMOUNT, $30,000. THEY DID HAVE INTERNS. WHEN YOU HAVE INSURANCE WE ARE MORE LIKELY TO RECOVER THAN WHEN THEY DON'T SO IT'S MUCH EASIER TO GET MONEY FROM THE INSURANCE COMPANY THEN SOMEONE NOT INSURED. HAVE NOT HAD TO RECOVER MUCH THIS YEAR, HAPPILY. MORE THAN HALF THE TIME WE HAVE ARE COVERED.

>> JUST FOR INFORMATION PROPERTY DAMAGE MINIMUM WHICH IS REQUIRED BY LAW IS I THINK $10,000. IT DOES NOT TAKE MUCH TO HAVE

$10,000 WORTH OF DAMAGE. >> CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG , MOST OF THE TIME WHEN SOMEBODY HITS A GUARDRAIL THEY DON'T STAY AROUND AND WAIT FOR THE ACCIDENT REPORT. SO TRYING TO CLAIM FROM SOMEBODY AT 2:00 IN THE MORNING SO THE PERSON HITS

THE AND DRIVES OFF >> WE HAVE INVESTIGATORS SPLIT THAT'S BEEN CUT FROM THE BUDGET. WE WERE ABLE TO COVER FOR THE WOODEN BRIDGE BECAUSE WE DIDN'T KNOW THAT WAS WE WERE ABLE TO FIND OUT WHO THAT WAS. IF IT IS A HIT AND RUN WE WILL

NOT RECOVER. >> THROUGH THE CHAIR BACK TO THE BRIDGE PIECE. THAT WOULD BE ANOTHER AREA WHERE THAT IS CONTINGENCY , IF THE DIRECTION WAS DON'T PUT THE BRIDGES IN WE WOULD TAKE IT OUT OF THE BUDGET, IF THE BRIDGE IT CAME UP RICHARD WOULD COMMENT AND WE WOULD SAY TO GET OUT OF RESERVES, THERE IS SOME BUDGET OPTIONS SO AGAIN IT IS RISK REWARD FOR THE COMMISSION. IF WE BUDGET AND WE KNOW IT'S THERE AND WE DON'T HAVE TO TAKE IT OUT OF RESERVES IF YOU WANT TO TAKE THE RISK AGAIN IT IS RISK REWARD SCENARIO.

>> ON THE GUARD RATHER CONTRACTORS DON'T REALLY WAIT FOR A SETTLEMENT FROM GEICO. THEY WANT TO GET PAID TO FIX IT, WE NEED TO GET IT FIXED TO REDUCE LIABILITY SO A LOT OF THE CALLS HAPPEN THE MORNING AFTER AND WHERE THERE THAT AFTERNOON.

THE LAST HIT ON 220 OLD BRIDGE ONE DRIVER WAS ABLE TO HIT BOTH SIDES AND I THINK HE DROVE OFF. SO HE WAS PRETTY GOOD AND THAT HAD TO BE FIXED BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT THE PHOTOGRAPHS OF THE CONSTRUCTION YOU'RE LIKE WE HAVE 40,000 CARS A DAY GOING OVER THAT AND THERE WAS BARELY ENOUGH ROOM FOR A F-150 TO PARK WHEN THEY WERE BUILDING THE NEW STRUCTURE. SO WE HAVE GOT , SOMEHOW WE HAVE TO HAVE, LIKE YOU WERE SAYING THE ABILITY TO ACTIVATE OUR ON-CALL CONTRACTORS TO GO FIX THESE THINGS.

>> ANYTHING ELSE? AT THIS POINT SUMMARIZING OPTION ONE.

BASICALLY WE WOULD REDUCE THE BCC RELATED BUDGET BY 9.2, WE WOULD REDUCE THE OVERALL CLAY COUNTY SHERIFF'S BUDGET BY 7 MILLION THE 5 MILLION AND THE 2 MILLION IN RESERVES WITH A TOTAL OF 16.2, WE WAS TOUGH TO TRIM A LITTLE BIT TO GET TO THE 17.2, BUT I THINK WE COULD GET THERE. OPTION TWO IF I MAY. OPTION TWO WOULD BE TO FULLY FUND THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE SO WE WOULD ADD 5 MILLION BACK IN. AT THAT POINT WE WOULD LOOK AT MAKING OTHER CUTS TO THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONER BUDGET STARTING WITH ELIMINATING 15 VACANT POSITIONS, AS YOU KNOW WE DID RESTRUCTURING TO BUILD WITH PURCHASING AND THEN FREED UP 15 POSITIONS WE WOULD HAVE , BOOTS ON THE GROUND IN TRAFFIC, PUBLIC

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WE WOULD ELIMINATE THE FIRE STATION 17 SHOWER CHANGE OUT NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE PROJECT SO SOMEBODY ELSE WOULD HAVE TO EXPLAIN. WE WOULD ELIMINATE THE GREEN COVE SPRINGS AIR-CONDITIONER. ELIMINATE THE HISTORICAL ROOF PROJECT. WE WOULD FURTHER REDUCE STORMWATER REPAIRS FROM 2.1 DOWN TO ABOUT 1.6 MILLION. BASICALLY CUT IN HALF REPLACEMENT OF NEW AND REPLACEMENT EQUIPMENT FOR THE COUNTY. FURTHER FIND PLACES TO REDUCE OVERTIME, FURTHER REDUCE TRAINING AND TRAVEL. AND CERTIFICATIONS. FOR THE REDUCE PUBLIC SAFETY EQUIPMENT. FOR THE REDUCE THE ADA, THE ENGINEERING PLANS, THE PUBLIC SAFETY M AND E CAP, OUR M AND E CAP. THAT WOULD ALL BE OUT OF NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET COME OUT OF THIS YEAR WE WOULD LOOK TO REDUCE THE LONG-RUNNING VAN ZANDT LIGHTING PROJECT FOR THE, TAKE MORE MONEY FROM BRIDGE REPAIRS, FOR THE REDUCE THE CAMP REPAIRS, REDUCE THIS YEAR'S PUBLIC SAFETY M AND E CAP FOR THE, ELIMINATE THE PUBLIC SAFETY STORAGE BUILDINGS FROM NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET AND BASICALLY ELIMINATE THE PRESSURE WASHING OF ALL BUILDINGS IN THE COUNTY FOR THIS YEAR'S BUDGET. IF YOU DID ALTHOUGH THAT YOU WOULD GENERATE ABOUT 14.1 MILLION IN CUTS TO THE BCC BUDGET REDUCE SHERIFF'S OFFICE BY 2.5 MILLION IN RESERVES GIVING 16.6 MILLION IN SAVINGS SO WE'RE CLOSE TO THE 17.2 THAT

WE WOULD NEED. >> HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS BUT EVERYBODY ELSE CAN GO FIRST IF THEY WANT TO. MY FIRST QUESTION AND PROBABLY IN REVERSE ORDER, THE PUBLIC SAFETY STORAGE BUILDINGS. WHAT ARE THOSE CHIEF? BECAUSE I THINK, IN MY HEAD I KNOW WHAT THEY ARE. BUT I AM NOT GOING TO ASSUME.

>> THOSE FACILITIES ARE TO STORE THE TURNOUT GEAR SO WE CAN REMOVE THEM FROM THE STATION. IN THE NEWER FACILITIES WE ARE CONSTRUCTING, WE WILL HAVE THE ABILITY TO HOUSE THAT, BUT THE OLDER FACILITIES THAT TYPICALLY WERE DEVELOPED EITHER WITHIN THE LAST FEW YEARS OR FROM VOLUNTEER DAYS DO NOT HAVE CAPACITY TO STORE THAT, WE'RE TRYING TO REMOVE THEM FROM THE BUILDING ITSELF SO IT IS PART OF THE CANCER REDUCTION PROGRAM.

>> THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT THEY WERE. SO BASICALLY NOW WITH A CLEAN GEAR IS STORED IN THE STORAGE CABINETS, IN THE BAY WITH THE TRUCKS , THEY ARE BEING EXPOSED TO THE EXHAUST IN THAT

ENVIRONMENT? >> YEAH, THE GOAL IS TO GET THE GEAR OUT OF THE AREA WHERE THE PERSONNEL WOULD BE. THEY WOULD ONLY REMOVE THAT , FIRST OF ALL IT DOES PROTECT FROM CONTAMINATION AND IT MAINTAINS EVEN IF THE OLDER GEAR HAS OFF GAS OR WHATEVER IT IS REMOVED FROM THAT. THE NEWER FACILITIES ARE DESIGNED WITH THAT IN MIND. THE OLDER ONES ARE NOT.

>> HAVE WE NOT CONVERTED ALL STATIONS?

>> WE HAVE CONVERTED TO THE EXHAUST SYSTEM. IT DOES WORK TO A CERTAIN EXTENT BUT IT IS ALSO TO REMOVE THE GEAR FROM THE AREA IN GENERAL AND KEEP THEM OUTSIDE OF ANY AREAS WITH THE PERSONNEL.

>> AND THEN CHIEF, THE NEW STATIONS WILL NOT HAVE A PROBLEM BECAUSE OF THE PHASE FROM THE TRUCK TO THE EQUIPMENT INSIDE.

>> AND THE AREA WHERE THE GEAR IS STORED HAVE SEPARATE CONTAINMENT AND EXHAUST.

>> THANK YOU. SO I GUESS TROY, WHERE MY BRAIN IS GOING AND PROBABLY NOT SOLVED TODAY, BUT KIND OF LIKE WHEN WE'RE TRYING TO FIND THE EXTRA 1.5 MILLION THE EXTRA $1.5 MILLION IN COMMISSIONER BURKE'S DISTRICT FOR ONE OF THE ROADS LAST YEAR

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BUT THAT IS 120,000, THEN THINGS LIKE THE BRIDGE REPAIRS WHERE RICHARD SAID IT IS THERE IF NEEDED SO COULD WE DO A LOT LESS IN THAT FUND OR A LITTLE LESS IN THAT FUND AND THEN MY QUESTION FOR THAT, MY CAVEAT QUESTION ON THE BACK OF THAT IS, THE 2.5 MILLION IN THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE RESERVES , IS THAT 5 MILLION ? 5.5.

>> THE TOTAL RIGHT NOW WE WOULD HAVE IN RESERVES FOR THE SHERIFF IS ABOUT 5.4 MILLION , IT'S WHAT WE'VE GOT ALLOCATED IN THE BUDGET. WE WOULD REDUCE THAT BY THE 2.5 MILLION , SO WE WOULD GO DOWN TO ABOUT 3 MILLION IN THERE. A LITTLE LESS THAN 3 MILLION PUTTING YOUR RIGHT AROUND 2.5%.

>> OKAY SO THEN MY OTHER QUESTION , THAT ANSWERS THAT PART OF THE QUESTION. THEN, IN ALL OF THAT, THE NUMBER IS STILL IN DEBATE , THAT'S WHAT VICKI WAS ASKING ABOUT ADOPT THE METHODOLOGY FOR THEIR DEPARTMENT FOR THE FUNDING OF THE INSURANCE TO THE TUNE OF 2.5, TO THE $3 MILLION DIFFERENCE.

>> MY ONLY CAVEAT WOULD BE YOU NEED TO LEAVE ENOUGH IN RESERVES , THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE DOES NOT DRAW THEIR INSURANCE NUMBER SO THE INSURANCE NUMBER SITS IN A DIFFERENT ACCOUNT THAT WE PULL OFF OF. AT THE END OF THE DAY WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE ENOUGH RESERVES THAT IF THEY DID RUN SHORT ON INSURANCE WHEN IT WE COULD PULL OUT OF RESERVES TO PAY FOR IT BECAUSE I WILL SAY THE NUMBER LAST YEAR AND I KNOW THE VACANCY NUMBER CHANGES. WE RAN 99 SOMETHING PERCENT BUDGET LAST YEAR ON HEALTH INSURANCE. I KNOW THERE IS DISCREPANCY IN THE WAY WE DO THE CALCULATION BECASE OF VACANCY, I WOULD BE CAUTIOUS TO GO TOO LOW JUST UNDERSTANDING HOW THE BUDGET WORKS. VICKY AND I CAN WORK THROUGH THAT. IF THAT'S THE DIRECTION OF THE BOARD TO SAY COME TO A NUMBER IN RESERVES AND AN INSURANCE THAT YOU ARE BOTH COMFORTABLE WITH, VICKY AND I CAN DO THAT OFF-LINE. THAT SOMETHING WE JUST NEED DIRECTION TO SAY HEY, LOOK AT THAT, WE WILL GO IN A ROOM AND FIGURE IT OUT.

>> FOR ME, YES. >> WE ARE PROFESSIONALS AND WE WILL FIGURE OUT WHERE THE MIDDLEGROUND IS AT.

>> I GET IT YOU'RE NOT HIRING EVERYBODY OCTOBER 1 OR OCTOBER 2. AND YOU ALL KNOW AGAIN, NOT PERSONAL FOR ANYBODY BUT IF YOU HAVE BEEN AROUND, TROY KNOWS IT IS A HEADACHE OF MIND THAT WE DON'T DO ANYTHING IN THE MONTH OF OCTOBER SPENDING WISE. BUT ANYWAY SO WE ARE NOT HIRING IN OCTOBER BECAUSE WE ARE NOT HIRING BUT AT ANY RATE THAT NUMBER IS NOT IN HERE. SO I GUESS WHAT MY POINT IS, SOME ON BOTH LIST SOME TO ME ARE NOT FOR COMPROMISE. YOU KNOW IT'S REALLY HARD TO SAY WE WILL FULLY FUND THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE AND THEN WE CUT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AT THE SAKE OF, WE ALL AGREE OUR PRIMARY RESPONSIBILITY IS PUBLIC SAFETY BUT I ALSO IN THE FIRST ONE TO SAY PUBLIC SAFETY ALSO INCLUDES GOOD ROADS, STORM WATER DRAINS NOT GIVING IN, ANIMAL SERVICES, CERTAIN THINGS ARE NOT FOR COMPROMISE HOWEVER WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO TAKE CARE OF OUR CITIZENS SAFETY FIRST AND FOREMOST IN MY MIND. BUT JUST WAS ASKING HOW MUCH OF THAT WAS

BUILT IN ALREADY. >> I MEAN SO, OFF THE CUFF I WILL SAY OFF-THE-CUFF REAL QUICK HAVE 2.5 MILLION IN RESERVES.

2.5 OR 3%, YOU KNOW OFF-THE-CUFF I WOULD SAY YOU CAN REDUCE INSURANCE BY 1.5 MILLION, SOMEWHERE 1.5 MILLION WE WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK WITH A SOLID NUMBER WE BOTH FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH. IT WILL BE THE MIDDLEGROUND SOMEWHERE. NOT SAYING WE GO ALL THE WAY TO THE BOTTOM BUT I UNDERSTAND VICKY'S POINT NOT BEING ALL THE WAY AT THE TOP. SO THAT ALONE IS $4

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SO I DO THINK THERE IS URGENCY ON THE 24-25 STUFF. THE REST OF IT CERTAINLY WE CAN CONTINUE HAVING THE CONVERSATION.

>> WELL WE HAVE ONE MORE MEETING THIS MONTH AND THEN WE HAVE OUR WORKSHOP ON THE EIGHTH AND A MEETING ON THE EIGHTH. SO WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT. WE HAVE THREE MORE OPPORTUNITIES TO TALK ABOUT IT WITH EACH OTHER BEFORE WE HAVE TO POT.

>> WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND IS, EVERYBODY GET A LIST TOGETHER, GIVE THOSE TO ME AS YOU THINK ABOUT IT, COME BACK NEXT BOARD MEETING WITH A THIS IS WHAT WE THOUGHT ABOUT THE WE AGREE WITH CUTS? MAYBE WE FOCUS ON 24-25 FIRST. HERE'S WHAT WE THINK WE CAN REDUCE DOWN AND THEN YOU ADOPT THAT IN THE JULY 8 MEETING BECAUSE DOUBLE TAKE A BUDGET TRANSFER TO CLOSE ALL THE PROJECTS AND TRANSFER MONEY BACK TO RESERVES AND THAT HAS TO BE

AN ACTION OF THE BOARD. >> SELECT THE BRIDGE ONE RICHARD SAID, HE HAS NOT SPENT THE MONEY BECAUSE HE HAS BEEN INSPECTING THE BRIDGES AND HE IS NOT NEEDED IT THUS FAR. IF WE CUT IT FURTHER 24-25 WERE ESSENTIALLY CUTTING 25-26 BECAUSE IT'S

CARRIED OVER. >> YES MA'AM.

>> HOW MANY ARE LIKE THAT? >> THAT ONE, THE ENGINEERING PLANS ARE THE ONLY TWO THAT ARE LIKE THAT. WE DO KEEP SOME OF THOSE PROJECT WITH THE IMMEDIATE NEED HE HAS FOR ROAD STUFF.

>> WHEN SOMEBODY HITS THE GUARD RAIL HE HAS TO REPLACE IT.

>> WE CAN'T WAIT TO COME TO THE BOARD MEETING. WE DON'T WANT TO GO WITH A BIG EMERGENCY ALL THE TIME BECAUSE IF EVERYTHING'S AN EMERGENCY THAN NOTHINGS AN EMERGENCY.

>> WITH BRIDGE REPAIRS WAS MOODY ?

>> THAT WAS A SEPARATE PROJECT. SO THAT'S A PRIME EXAMPLE WHY YOU NEED RESERVES. WE CAME AND GOT THAT OUT OF RESERVES TO PAY FOR THE REPAIR. HOPEFULLY FEMA REPAIRS REPAYS US AT SOME POINT BUT WE KNOW HOW FEMA WORKS WE HAVE OPEN CLAIMS FROM 2016-17.

SO IF THERE ARE NO OTHER QUESTIONS ON OPTION TWO I WOULD MOVE ON TO FINISHING OUT THE POWERPOINT. SO THE NEXT SLIDE AND YOU HAVE HEARD FROM A COUPLE STAFF TODAY. THIS IS HOW IT'S GOING TO AFFECT THE STRATEGIC PLAN. SO JUST WANTED TO PUT IT OUT THAT WE STILL HAVE THE STRATEGIC PLAN DEPENDING ON WHAT YOU DECIDE FOR YOUR BUDGET WILL AFFECT US GOING BACK TO REVISION TO THE STRATEGIC PLAN BECAUSE SOME OF THIS WILL AFFECT THE STRATEGIC PLAN. AS WE GO FORWARD. NEXT SLIDE. JUST FOR AWARENESS THERE ARE ALL OF THE TARGETS IN THE STRATEGIC PLAN EVERYTHING FROM THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, FIRE DEPARTMENT, PUBLIC WORKS INCLUDED IN THE STRATEGIC PLAN. SO THERE WILL BE A FIX TO THE STRATEGIC PLAN , YOU ASKED ABOUT THAT DIRECTLY.

IT WILL BE AFFECT ON THE STRATEGIC PLAN JUST WHICH AREAS ARE AFFECTED , THAT IS PART OF IT. AND GO TO THE LAST SLIDE I WOULD BE REMISS TO IF WE DO NOT BRING IT UP FROM THE LAST WORKSHOP. A COUPLE PEOPLE ASKED ABOUT OTHER REVENUE STREAMS AND THE ONLY REVENUE STREAM THAT WE CAN EFFECT IMMEDIATELY OTHER THAN AD VALOREM TAXES WOULD BE TO INCREASE THE UTILITY TAX. WE WILL PUT THAT BACK OUT, CURRENTLY CHARGING 4%. MOST OF THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE THE ABILITY TO CHARGE WILL CHARGE 10%, THAT WOULD GENERATE ANOTHER $7 MILLION IF YOU CHOSE TO GO THAT PATH. AND WITH THAT , THE NEXT LIGHT, A LIST OF YOUR UPCOMING MEETINGS AS YOU ALLUDED TO WE HAVE CIP AND THE CIE UPDATE ON

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DIRECTION WE WOULD NEED. >> AS FAR AS THE UTILITY SERVICE FEE I WOULD CALL IT BECAUSE WHAT I'M GOING TO ASK AS WE CALL IT MORE OF A FEE. WHAT IS THE POSSIBILITY OF EARMARKING THAT

FOR PUBLIC SAFETY? >> YOU AS THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS CAN GIVE US DIRECTION THAT SAYS ANY NEW MONEY YOU GENERATE OFF OF THIS FOR NEXT YEAR OR IN PERPETUITY, YOU COULD SAY WE GENERATE X DOLLARS THOSE DOLLARS GO TOWARD PUBLIC SAFETY.

>> IS IT IN THE CHARTER? BECAUSE THE CHARTER ALLOWS US TO ASSESS

THIS? >> STATE STATUTE ALLOWS CHARTER, COUNTIES AND MUNICIPALITIES TO CHARGE THE FEE, I DON'T THINK ANYTHING SAYS WHERE THE MONEY GOES OTHER THAN TO THE GENERAL FUND. YOU CONTROL THE GENERAL FUND SO IF YOU SAY EVERY DOLLAR OF THIS WE WANT TO MAKE SURE GOES TO PUBLIC SAFETY THAN THAT IS YOUR BUDGET AND YOUR DECISION.

>> MY OTHER QUESTION IS , I HAD IT, LET ME REMEMBER. I DON'T HAVE IT NOW I HOPE IT WILL COME BACK. I AM CURIOUS ABOUT YOUR WANTING TO CALL IT A FEE BECAUSE IT IS A TAX. IT IS BUILD ON THE

UTILITY BILLS AS A TAX. >> DEFINITION OF TAX IS TO RAISE REVENUE FOR GENERAL PUBLIC GOOD. A FEE IS TO COVER THE COST OF PROVIDING A SPECIFIC SERVICE. SO MY DEFINITION WOULD BE A FEE.

>> AFTER GO BY STATE STATUTE SO THAT'S WHERE MY DEFINITION COMES FROM STATE STATUTE. ANY ADVERTISING , WOULD BE LABELED THAT WAY BECAUSE IT IS CALLED UTILITY SERVICE TAX IN STATUTE.

>> IF WE CALL FOR PUBLIC SAFETY .

>> YES MA'AM YOU CAN EARMARK FOR PUBLIC SAFETY.

>> WE MENTIONED EARLIER IN THE CONVERSATION THAT PUBLIC SAFETY HAS EXCEEDED GENERAL REVENUE OR AD VALOREM TAX . WHAT WAS THE

DELTA? >> DEPENDS ON WHAT BUDGET YOU

ADOPT. >> LET'S SAY THE FULL BUDGET.

>> ABOUT 4 MILLION OR $5 MILLION. PRETTY CLOSE TO THE 7 MILLION. I MEAN I THINK THE 7 MILLION IF THAT IS THE DIRECTION

OF THE BOARD YEAH. >> THIS, YOU KNOW UNFORTUNATELY HAD TO LIVE THROUGH THE ORANGE PARK UTILITY TAX CHANGE . THIS IS , WHICH THAT LAW ALSO ALLOWS GAS TAX. WATER TAX, ELECTRIC AND

WHAT ELSE? >> LP, PROPANE GAS, ELECTRIC AND

WATER ARE THE ONES I KNOW OF. >> ANYWAY, WATER BEING ESSENTIALLY STAYED AWAY FROM IT? ELECTRIC WHICH WAS , YOU CAN REGULATE. IT IS NOT ESSENTIAL. YOU CAN REGULATE IT IN YOUR HOME, TURN THE LIGHTS OUT WHEN NO ONE IS IN THE ROOM.

>> YOU CAN TURN YOUR FAUCET OFF WHEN YOU BRUSH YOUR TEETH.

>> BUT YOU NEED IT TO LIVE. WATER IS ESSENTIAL FOR LIFE.

>> SO IS ELECTRICITY TO COOK. >> WELL, WHATEVER YOU CAN USE WHATEVER LOGIC. ANYWAY THAT'S THE LOGIC WE USED. AND GREEN COVE HAS IT, ORANGE PARK HAS IT, KEYSTONE HAS IT.

>> KEYSTONE HAS NO UTILITIES. THEY HAVE NO UTILITIES.

>> OKAY I REMEMBER MY QUESTION. CAN YOU GIVE AN IDEA OF HOW THAT WOULD AFFECT THE AVERAGE CITIZEN IN THE COUNTY?

>> I WOULD NOT BE THE RIGHT PERSON TO GIVE THAT BECAUSE I DO NOT KNOW THE AVERAGE ELECTRIC BILL IN CLAY COUNTY.

>> LET'S CALL OUT FOR EXAMPLE. >> BASICALLY IF YOU HAVE A $100 BILL A MONTH IT'S GOING TO BE SIX DOLLARS BECAUSE IT 6% INCREASE. I DO THE BILL EVIDENCE OF MINE DOES NOT CHANGE EACH MONTH SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE HIGH AND LOW IS. BUT YES BASICALLY ADDING SIX DOLLARS PER MONTH FOR EVERY $100 IN ELECTRIC THEY SPEND. OR LP GAS OR PROPANE OR KEROSENE.

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>> IT IS TIERED ELECTRIC USAGE WITH A BASIC RATE WHICH IS A

LOWER RATE. >> SO THE AVERAGE PERSON HAS A $200 BILL THEY WILL BE ADDING $12 A MONTH.

>> THAT WOULD BE CORRECT. >> AND WE ARE 4767 COUNTIES WITH HOW MUCH TAXES WE PAY. THIS IS A VERY TOUGH SITUATION WE ARE IN.

I AM TURNED OUT SO I UNDERSTAND THE POLITICS PART OF IT.

HOWEVER, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE PEOPLE COMING BY THE DROVES TO LIVE IN OUR COUNTY FROM OTHER COUNTIES BECAUSE OF HOW LOW TAXES ARE. EVERYBODY SAYS LET'S KEEP THE PEOPLE OUT, KEEP THE PEOPLE OUT. HOW DO WE GIVE THEM OUT? RAISE TAXES A LITTLE BIT.

I'M NOT SAYING THAT'S WHAT WE SHOULD DO, I'M JUST SAYING I MEAN SOMETHING HAS GOT TO GIVE HERE. WE ARE , LET'S SEE 27TH IN THE STATE AS FAR AS FASTEST GROWING COUNTIES AND WITH A WONDERFUL PLACE TO LIVE HERE BUT WE CANNOT IMPROVE INFRASTRUCTURE TO SUPPORT IT , WE CANNOT GIVE THE EQUIPMENT TO OUR FIREFIGHTERS. IN I SAW SOMETHING ON FACEBOOK ON BLANDING PEOPLE ARE GOING 80 MILES PER HOUR WHERE THE POLICEMAN? I KNOW YOU'RE OUT THERE BUT THERE IS A POINT WHERE IF WE HAD TO DECREASE EMPLOYEES FOR THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE IS GOING TO BE A LOT LESS PEOPLE ON THE STREETS TO PROTECT US YOU KNOW? IS IT IS A BAD CHOICE, A HARD CHOICE WE HAVE TO MAKE BUT I WAS GOING TO WAIT UNTIL LATER TO SAY THIS, BUT I WAS AT THE FIREFIGHTER RECRUITMENT DAY YESTERDAY. JASON ASKED ME TO COME AND I APPRECIATED. IT WAS A WONDERFUL THING. THERE WAS A RETIRED CHIEF FROM NEW YORK WHO SPOKE ABOUT LOSING HIS PARTNER AND IT WAS VERY EMOTIONAL. IT HAS BEEN YEARS SINCE THIS HAPPENED BUT HE WAS STILL EMOTIONAL TALKING ABOUT IT. AND HAD A VERY BIG REASON TO SAY THIS BECAUSE OF WHAT HE WENT THROUGH IN NEW YORK BUT HE TOLD THIS BRAND-NEW CLASS THAT POLITICIANS DON'T CARE. SO YOU MIGHT AS WELL DEAL WITH IT POLITICIANS DON'T CARE AND I WAS LIKE YOU WANT TO RIP MY HEART OUT. I KNOW HE WAS NOT AIMING AT US PERSONALLY AND JASON GOT UP AND SPOKE AND HE SAID WE DO CARE, HE KNOWS OUR GROUP HERE. BUT YOU KNOW THAT IS WHAT THE AVERAGE PERSON IN AMERICA SEEMS LIKE I HAVE SEEN.

I HATE CALLING MYSELF A POLITICIAN, BUT THAT'S WHAT THEY CALL US AND THAT'S WITH THE AVERAGE PERSON IN AMERICA SAYS. POLITICIANS DON'T CARE, THEY'RE IN IT FOR THE MONEY COMING TO THEM OR TO GET THE PICTURE IN FRONT OF THE MAN THAT WAS ALMOST DYING IN HIS BED ALL HE WANTED WAS A PICTURE WITH THEM. AND THAT'S NOT ME. I WILL TELL YOU RIGHT NOW I DO CARE.

SO, ANYWAY GOT TO MAKE THESE TOUGH DECISIONS. ALL OF THIS STUFF, THESE HORRIBLE THINGS WE HAVE TO GET RID OF. IT IS ALL NEEDED. THE MAJORITY OF IT. BUT PUBLIC SAFETY HAS TO BE OUR NUMBER ONE AND WE'VE GOT TO MAKE TOUGH DECISIONS, THAT'S WHERE I AM AT. PROBABLY IN THE PAPER AGAIN. SO.

>> THE ONLY COMMENT I HAVE IS WE DO CARE BUT WE CARE ABOUT EVERYTHING AND PUBLIC SAFETY BEING OUR NUMBER ONE RARITY AND IT IS BUT WE CANNOT FORGET CONSTITUENTS OR PAYING FOR PUBLIC SAFETY AND THE SAFETY, LIKE YOU SAID THE RESEARCHER. IF YOU LOSE YOUR CAR ON A HOLE ON THE ROAD BECAUSE THE DRAINAGE WAS NOT REPAIRED IN TIME AND YOU ARE THE FIRST ONE, MOODY WROTE IS A GOOD EXAMPLE WE COULD HAVE LOST SOMEBODY THERE. SO I THINK WE WANT TO MAKE HARD DECISIONS. DON'T KNOW WHO HIS FINAL COMMENTS. ARE WE GOING TO ADDRESS ANY KNOWN CHANGES FROM THE FEDERAL? WE MENTIONED FEMA AND THEN I HEAR MAYBE THERE WON'T BE FEMA. I DON'T KNOW WHERE WE ARE HEADED WITH THAT.

BECAUSE THEY ARE STILL WORKING ON THE BUDGET. THERE ARE SOME LIKELY OUTCOMES. THE FLORIDA CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT ABOUT THE AD VALOREM TAXES, I THINK THAT IS STILL IN PLAY. WE HAVE

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PRICES ARE NOT GOING DOWN, THE OUTLOOK IS NOT ROSY TO ME FOR THE FUTURE TO MAINTAIN QUALITY OF LIFE IN CLAY COUNTY. AND YOU KNOW I DON'T KNOW WHO, TO SAY POLITICIANS DON'T CARE, I THINK THAT IS A GROSS MISUNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THIS IS ALL ABOUT.

>> OKAY. YOU HAVE YOUR LIST OF QUESTIONS?

>> YES MA'AM. TO HELP US PREPARE THE BUDGET AND CONTINUE MOVING FORWARD BECAUSE SOME OF THESE THINGS REQUIRE RESEARCH, IS THERE ANY DIRECTION ON THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE BUDGET? DO YOU WANT US TO CONTINUE PROGRAMMING IN ? WHAT I HEARD WAS FULL SHERIFF'S OFFICE BUDGET, REDUCE RESERVES, REDUCE INSURANCE COST.

>> YES. >> THAT'S THE CONSENSUS, THANK YOU. THE NEXT ONE WOULD BE MAINLY BECAUSE OF ORDINANCE INVOLVED, DO WE HAVE DIRECTION ON THE SOLID WASTE EXEMPTION? DO YOU WANT US TO CONTINUE LOOKING AT THAT OR IS THERE A FEELING

FROM THE BOARD? >> SO I NEED TO BE VISUAL. FROM MY PERSPECTIVE IT WOULD BE HELPFUL IF IT WERE LAID OUT, I KNOW MILTON HAS TOLD US SEVERAL TIMES, I THINK I KNOW WHERE I

WOULD LAND. >> IT WOULD LIKE TO SEE A VETTED

OUT PLAN. OKAY. >> BECAUSE HERE'S THE PROBLEM COMING START PILING ON DISABLED FULLY EXEMPT , THEY DON'T QUALIFY FOR THE HARDSHIP AND THEN I DON'T KNOW I AM A HARD NO ON THE UTILITY TAX BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S THREE VOTES, SO IF YOU RAISE UTILITY TEXT TAKE THE FIXED INCOME INCREASED GARBAGE FEE, YOU INCREASE THE ELECTRIC BILL AND THAT IS A HARD HIT AND 65% IN MY DISTRICT ARE OVER 65.

DISPROPORTIONATELY I AM MORE IMPACTED BY THAT KIND OF FIXED INCOME HIT SO THAT'S WHY I RENT TO REALLY KNOW WHAT THAT LOOKS

LIKE. >> IF WE DO THE UTILITY TAX THE CHANCES OF GETTING RID OF THAT EXEMPTION GO DOWN BECAUSE

THERE'S OTHER THINGS TO FIND. >> IT WOULD BE THE BOARD'S DIRECTION ON WHICH PROJECTS YOU WANT. GOING BACK SAVE BEGAN I WORK THROUGH IT WITH A BUDGET TEAMS AND WE GO THROUGH RESERVES AND INSURANCE GETS US FOUR OR $5 MILLION. THE UTILITY TAX GETS ANOTHER SEVEN YEARS TO MAKING 5 MILLION IN CUTS. YES IS NOT AS PAINFUL IT WOULD STILL BE THE BOARD'S DIRECTION. WHAT I HAVE HEARD AS CONSENSUS IF YOU WOULD LIKE US TO HAVE A PLAN FOR SOLID WASTE OF EXACTLY WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE WITH A COUPLE DIFFERENT OPTIONS FOR THE SOLID WASTE. WHAT IT WOULD BE TO REDUCE SOLID WASTE EXEMPTION. IS THAT A FAIR STATEMENT?

>> I WON'T AGREE TO IT BUT THAT'S FINE.

>> EVERY ONE OF THESE TAKES STAFF TIME AND MOST TAKE LEGAL TIME SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE I KNOW OUR DIRECTION. WE CAN WORK ON THAT IF THAT IS THE CONSENSUS. TO TALK ABOUT TIME, WHERE WE ON THE UTILITY TAX? IF THAT IS SOMETHING THE BOARD WANTS US TO PURSUE AND IMPLEMENT I WILL DIFFER TO THE STRICT

TIMELINES ON THAT. >> RIGHT, FROM A TIMING STANDPOINT WE HAVE MISSED THE TIMEFRAME TO HAVE IT EFFECTIVE OCTOBER 1 SO THE NEXT AVAILABLE TIME WOULD BE JANUARY 1 AND YOU WOULD HAVE TO MAKE THE DECISION IN AUGUST. BUT WE WOULD HAVE TO PREPARE, LEADING UP TO THAT DECISION .

>> GO AHEAD. >> MADAM CHAIR, YOU GET TO A POINT WHERE AND I THINK THE BIGGEST GRAPH THAT HAS THE MOST IMPACT IS AD VALOREM DOES NOT COVER COST , ESSENTIAL COST. TO ME, FULLY FUNDING THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND FULLY FUNDING

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THAT IS A ABSOLUTE NECESSITY. AND IT IS ONE OF THOSE THINGS WHILE WE ALL LOVE LIVING IN CLAY COUNTY, WE LOVE 47 OUT OF 67 IN LOWEST TAX, IT IS NOT SUSTAINABLE, IT IS JUST NOT SUSTAINABLE. AND SO THROUGH THAT, I WANT TO SAY I WANT TO SEE THE OPTIONS AND THE NUMBERS. I THINK THE ANSWER HERE, LIKE COMMISSIONER RENNINGER SAID WE WILL MAKE A DECISION THAT WILL BE REVERBERATED WELL AFTER LONG AFTER ALL OF US ARE GONE. FOR ME THE PUBLIC SAFETY PIECE IS NONNEGOTIABLE. I AM NOT BUDGETING ONE BIT ON LOWERING THE PEOPLE IN THE UNIFORMS, THE PEOPLE THAT KEEP US SAFE, PEOPLE WHO SHOW UP WHEN YOU NEED THEM IN THE WORST DAY OF YOUR LIFE. I'M NOT BUDGING ON THAT. SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, I WANT TO SEE KIND OF THE UTILITY SERVICE FEE , HOW THAT LOOKS, FROM THE DIFFERENT LEVELS. I THINK THE ANSWER IS A MIX OF A LOT OF THINGS, BRINGS SHERIFF'S RESERVES TO 3% WHICH IS STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURE HAVE ALWAYS DONE. YOU MEETING WITH VICKI TO FIND OUT WHERE THE INSURANCE NUMBER, YOU BOTH FEEL GOOD BECAUSE I AGREE WE DON'T WANT TO PUT OURSELVES IN A BAD POSITION OF GOING TOO LOW AND HAVING TO COME BACK AND FIND MORE MONEY. AND THEN THERE ARE OTHER THINGS IN HERE. I WAS COMING THROUGH LINE BY LINE OF THE OPERATIONAL PROJECT EXPENDITURE SUMMARY AND TROY A QUICK QUESTION. CEI SUBDIVISION 550,000 DOES THAT RING A BELL?

>> THAT IS A PASTOR NUMBER BASICALLY WE HAVE TO BUDGET TO SPEND THE MONEY TO HAVE INSPECTIONS , SUBDIVISIONS INSPECTED BUT THAT GENERATES THE SAME REVENUE BACK. YES THAT IS IN THE BUDGET AS EXPENSE THERE'S A MATCHING REVENUE EXPENSE LINE ITEM SO THAT ONE IS A WASH.

>> SAME WITH THE NIAGARA BOTTLING ?

>> THAT IS ECONOMIC INCENTIVE YOU GAVE. NOT YOU PERSONALLY.

THE BOARD AS A WHOLE GAVE ECONOMIC INCENTIVE TO BRING THEM HERE SO YOU WILL SEE NIAGARA, THE OTHER ONES LISTED. CAN REMEMBER THEM ALL OF THE TOP OF MY HEAD BUT THOSE ARE ECONOMIC INCENTIVES AND REMEMBER AT THE LAST WORKSHOP THAT WAS A DISCUSSION POINT WE HAD OF EVALUATING ECONOMIC INCENTIVES.

CAN GO BACK IN TIME AND TAKE THEM AWAY BUT HOW DO YOU DO THAT IN THE FUTURE BECAUSE THOSE ARE IMPACTS TO THE BUDGET.

UNDERSTAND THE BUSINESS IS HERE THAT'S THE DELICATE EDGE THAT

AGAIN THE FIVE OF YOU. >> I THINK TIMES HAVE CHANGED, I CAN APPRECIATE PAST COMMISSIONS AND COMING OUT OF 2008 THERE WAS A NEED, NOW I THINK CLAY COUNTY IS EVERYTHING YOU WANT TO DO BUSINESS SO ALL OF THOSE FREE RIDES ARE OVER IN MY MIND. I THINK THE ANSWER IS TAKING THINGS FROM HERE TAKING THINGS FROM THERE. OPTION ONE THERE ARE SOME PROJECTS THAT I THINK ALL FIVE OF US WOULD APPRECIATE IN CUTTING, SOME OPTION TWO. BUT HAVE TO PUT MY HEAD ON THE PILLOW AT NIGHT KNOWING I DID EVERYTHING IN MY POWER TO PROTECT PEOPLE AND THAT STARTS WITH FIRST RESPONDERS. THE LAST THING I'M GOING TO SAY IS IT WAS A LITTLE BIT DISHEARTENED, THIS IS NO DIG AT STAFF BUT I WANT YOU TO THINK ABOUT THIS IS YOU GO THROUGH EVERY DAY DECISION-MAKING PROCESS. IT IS A LITTLE BIT DISHEARTENED TO SEE THAT WE THOUGHT SOMEHOW SOMEWAY $60,000 TO PLAN THE THIRD FLOOR OF THE ADMIN BUILDING WAS IMPORTANT ENOUGH WHEN YOU HAVE SOMEONE IN A SLEEPY HOLLOW FACILITY WHO ASKED TO LEAVE THEIR JOB BECAUSE IT GETS TOO HOT. 60 GRAND WOULD PAY FOR HALF OF THAT BUILDING UPGRADE. SO KIND OF MY PRIORITY, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THESE YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT AS SAFETY, PEOPLE, INFRASTRUCTURE AND IF IT'S NOT ONE OF THOSE THREE THINGS THAT'S HOW WE HAVE GOT TO DO OUR NEEDS VERSUS NICE TO HAVE'S.

SO YES TO GO BACK TO WHAT THE PACKAGE WOULD PUT TOGETHER.

>> I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE EARMARKED THAT FOR PUBLIC

SAFETY. FINDING OUT ABOUT THAT. >> DIRECTION ON COUNTY STAFF 15 POSITIONS 3% TO 1% FOR BASICALLY SALARY ADJUSTMENT. JUST TRYING

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TRYING TO UNDERSTAND AS WE PUT THE BUDGET TOGETHER OR THOSE 15 POSITIONS SOMETHING YOU WANT US TO PROTECT OR YOU GOOD WITH THOSE POSITIONS BEING ELIMINATED? NOT TRYING TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT BUT THAT'S A BIG NUMBER, 1.5 MILLION ON THOSE POSITIONS AND SAME THING WITH THE COLA.

>> FOR ME PERSONALLY I DON'T WANT TO SEE THE COLA ADJUSTED AND HERE IS WHY. YOU WORK SO HARD TO BUILD CAPACITY, YOU WORK SO HARD TO RECRUIT , TRAIN AND RETAIN PEOPLE WITHIN THE ORGANIZATION. SO WHEN YOU DO THAT WHEN YOU DROP DOWN TO 1% AND SOMEONE LOOKS OVER THE FENCE, SOMEBODY THEY HAVE SPENT THE MONEY ON, TRAIN THEM YOU HAVE LOVED ON THEM AS AN EMPLOYEE AND THEN THEY GO TO ST. JOHN'S COUNTY AND THEN DO FALL.

AND THAT'S FOR COUNTY STAFF NOT FOR FIREFIGHTERS, FOR POLICE. I LIKE TO TRY TO STAY AWAY FROM ADJUSTING THE BECAUSE THAT AFFECTS PEOPLE. THE 15 UNFILLED POSITIONS I THINK AT THIS TIME BASED ON THE CURRENT FINANCIAL SITUATION HAS TO BE ON THE TABLE TO REMOVE BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT FILLED. THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I

AM AT WITH IT. >> SAME FOR BOTH.

>> I WOULD LIKE TO SAY 1%. I THINK AT MINIMUM WE ARE LOOKING AT 2%. WHETHER WE GO TO THREE AND WHAT WE HAVE TO OFFSET TO GET TO THREE IS DEBATABLE IN MY MIND. I WANT TO MAKE A COMMENT.

CONCERNING TWO THINGS. UTILITY TAX, TODAY WE HAVE TOO MANY PEOPLE PAYING NO TAX AND GETTING A LOT OF SERVICE OUT OF THE COUNTY AND THIS WOULD OFFER SOME CONTRIBUTION TO THE AD VALOREM TO MAINTAIN PUBLIC SAFETY BECAUSE THEY DO USE SOME ELECTRICITY. THE OTHER THING , I DON'T KNOW I PROBABLY DON'T AGREE WITH IT. INDUSTRY WILL NOT COME TO YOUR COUNTY OR STATE WITHOUT SOME KIND OF INCENTIVES SO INCENTIVES ARE DESIGNED TO GET INDUSTRY INTO THE STATE TO COME INTO THE COUNTY AND INTO THE COMMUNITY. THEY ARE REVENUE GENERATORS, HOUSES ARE EXPENDITURE USERS. SO WE HAVE WAY TOO MANY PEOPLE HEADED NORTH INTO JACKSONVILLE FOR EMPLOYMENT. AND THEY ARE SPENDING THEIR MONEY UP THERE AND THE CITY OF JACKSONVILLE IS BENEFITING FROM ALL OF THAT. SO IT JUST SAYS IT IS MODEL AND THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, COMING TO CORPORATE TAXES BEING LOWERED BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, STATE HAS INCENTIVES AND THE COUNTIES DO TOO. IT IS A MODEL WE USE TO GET INDUSTRY TO COME TO PROVIDE JOBS, GOOD PAYING JOBS TO RESIDENTS AND THAT'S ONE REASON PEOPLE COME TO THIS REGION, THERE ARE JOBS. IF YOU DON'T HAVE JOBS THEY WILL GO SOMEWHERE ELSE THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT.

>> DO YOU HAVE OTHER QUESTIONS? >> I THINK AT THIS TIME OTHER THAN THE 24-25 PROJECTS YOU GUYS WILL LOOK AT THE PROJECT LIST GIVE US FEEDBACK AND WE CAN BRING BACK THAT COMBINE FEEDBACK TO THE NEXT MEETING. SO I THINK I AM GOOD.

>> I THINK WE'VE GOT SOME GOOD DIRECTION. IN ORDER WE ARE READY FOR NEXT TUESDAY WAS THERE ANYTHING SPECIFIC WE WANTED TO BRING UP THERE? I KNOW AS RICH WITH THE DOCUMENTS.

>> BASED ON WHAT I HEARD GIVE ME THE DO'S AND DON'TS FOR THE 24-25 BUDGET AND WE CAN HAVE A DISCUSSION AT THE NEXT BOARD

MEETING. >> ARE YOU REFERENCING JUST

WHAT'S IN THE POWERPOINT? >> ANYTHING IN THE POWERPOINT OR THE OTHER LIST OF ALL THE PROJECTS, IF THERE'S SOMETHING

ON THE OTHER LIST YOU FEEL. >> COMMISSIONER RENNINGER ON THE

SIGNS. IS THERE ANY OTHERS? >> $100,000. AND THERE'S A BIG

LIST OF THOSE THINGS. >> THE REASON I ASK, HOW DO WE KNOW OF THE 24-25 BUDGET WHAT HAS BEEN SPENT? I DON'T WANT TO SAY TAKE THIS OFF AND IT'S ALREADY BEEN DONE.

>> WE WILL PROVIDE A PROJECT LIST, TOMORROW THE PROJECT LIST THAT SAYS HERE'S EVERY PROJECT, FOR EVERY SINGLE PROJECT AND HERE'S THE SPEND AND THAT WAY YOU KNOW WHAT'S LEFT FOR EVERY

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IT IS EASY . THAT'S WHY WE HAVE WORK DAY TO PULL THE REPORTS

OUT, IT'S EASY. >> YOU SHOULD KNOW HOW TO DO IT

[COMMISSIONERS' COMMENTS]

BY YOURSELF. >> I DON'T NEED ANY HELP.

>> OTHERS? DIRECTOR DID YOU HAVE CLOSING COMMENTS?

>> REALLY WANT TO THANK EVERYBODY AND THEIR TIME. ACROSS THE BOARD THERE ARE SPECIFIC THINGS WHEN YOU LOOK AT THEM AND THERE'S LOTS OF DETAILS AND IT IS DYNAMIC, NOT JUST ONE THING AND I THINK WE TRY TO ANTICIPATE THE FUTURE WHETHER THE FEDERAL OR STATE LEVEL AND THE RIPPLE EFFECT WE HAVE FOR REVENUE STREAMS. WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE GROWING COUNTY, MOST IMPORTANT I HEARD LOUD AND CLEAR THE PRIORITIES THAT ARE HERE AS YOU LOOK AT THE BUDGET AND WE WILL ADJUST ACCORDINGLY AND I WANT TO THANK STAFF. A LOT, A LOT OF TIME HAS GONE INTO THIS IN BETWEEN THE LAST WORKSHOP AND NOW, THE ENTIRE STAFF , DEPARTMENT HEADS, WE HAVE GONE OVER THIS A BUNCH OF TIMES TO GET US TO THIS POINT BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY IF THERE'S SOME OF THE PROJECT ON THERE TO TRY TO LOOK AGAIN AND DESCRIBE ONE MORE TIME.WE TRY TO DO OUR BEST AND TROY DO TO PRODUCE THE

POWERPOINT SO THANK YOU. >> RENNINGER.

>> IT WAS TIMELY DURING BUDGET SEASON WE HAD A GUEST COLUMNIST IN THE TIMES UNION. TALK ABOUT FINANCIAL PLANNING AND FINANCES AND ALL OF THAT. DID ANYBODY SEE THAT?

>> NOBODY READS THE PAPER ANYMORE.

>> A GUY, A GUEST COLUMNIST SUNDAY'S PAPER, HE WAS, I SAW

IT IN THE PRINT. >> PRINT, WHAT'S THAT?

>> COMPERE DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS?

>> JUST A SIMPLE THANK YOU TO STAFF FOR PULLING THE PRESENTATION TOGETHER. THIS ONE, AS I HAVE SHARED, WITH OUR COUNTY MANAGER AND TROY GIVES ME A LOT OF CONSTERNATION. I DO NOT AGREE WITH SOME OF THE COMMENTS MADE HERE TODAY SO I WILL SORT THROUGH MY THOUGHTS AND COME TO A PLACE WHERE ONCE I AM READY TO SHARE, I WILL. I KNOW THAT WE HAVE SOME VERY DIFFICULT DECISIONS TO MAKE AND I DO NOT MAKE THOSE RASHLY , SO INSTEAD OF A IMPASSIONED SPEECH I WOULD RATHER EVERYONE KNOW THAT ALL FIVE OF US ARE LOOKING AT THESE THINGS CAREFULLY, BUT THIS ONE IS GOING TO BE VERY VERY DIFFICULT. REGARDLESS OF WHAT SIDE OF THIS YOU FALL ON. AND I EMPATHIZE IN RECENT MONTHS WITH PAST COMMISSIONERS WHO HAVE HAD A MAKE DIFFICULT DECISIONS THAT TODAY WE CAN SAY WERE TERRIBLE DECISIONS. ON THE BECAUSE TODAY WE CAN SEE THAT. SO MY HEART POSTURE IS SEEKING GUIDANCE TO MAKE THE RIGHT DECISION WITH THE INFORMATION PRESENTED AND BETWEEN NOW AND THE NEXT MEETING, A WHOLE SLEW OF QUESTIONS FOR STAFF AND COMMUNITY PARTNERS, TO GET ANSWERS. THIS ONE IS A CHALLENGE FOR SURE BUT I DO APPRECIATE EVERYBODY WHO HAS PUT TOGETHER INFORMATION, TO HELP US MAKE

THOSE DIFFICULT DECISIONS. >> BURKE? COMMISSIONER SGROMOLO

? >> I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.

ONE, COMMISSIONERS SGROMOLO YOU SAID I DON'T THINK ANYONE HERE INDICATED , DOESN'T BRISTLE AT THE TERM DEFUND THE POLICE I DID NOT HEAR ANYONE ADVOCATE TO CUT THE SHERIFF'S BUDGET IN ANY WAY AND I WANT THAT TO BE CLEAR TO THE PUBLIC. I CERTAINLY DON'T WANT THAT ATTACHED TO MY NAME AND I HAD NOT ATTACHED TO MY NAME FOUR YEARS AGO BECAUSE I VOTED AGAINST THE AD VALOREM INCREASE AND I STAND BY THAT BECAUSE DISTRICT 4 AGAIN 65% IS OVER 65, FIXED INCOME AND HISTORICALLY IT IS A VERY

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DO NOT SEE AS? >> CORRECT THAT IS NOT DEFUND PERSONNEL OR OPERATIONS. JUST SO YOU KNOW I LOOK AT THIS AS EFFECTIVE OR NOT EFFECTIVE. THE WAY YOU VOTE YOU ARE EITHER FULLY FUNDING IN TERMS OF MAYBE NOT NECESSARILY RESERVES BECAUSE THAT DOES NOT AFFECT PEOPLE AND IT DOES NOT AFFECT OPERATIONS OF THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE OR NOT. I KNOW THAT'S A STRONG, VERY STRONG WAY TO PUT IT , THE WAY WE VOTE MY PERSONAL OPINION IS TO SUPPORT OR YOU DON'T. THAT'S KIND OF HOW I LOOK AT

IT. >> MY NEXT QUESTION FOR YOU IS JUST CURIOUS AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER IF YOU DON'T WANT TO BUT THIS IS MY ON THE OPPORTUNITY TO ASK YOU. WHEN YOU TALK IN THAT SAME LIGHT ABOUT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND PUBLIC SAFETY, YOU'RE NOT , YOU DON'T WANT TO GIVE UP ANY OF THIS?

>> CORRECT. >> AND THEN I GUESS MY OTHER CLOSING COMMENT WOULD BE YOU KNOW IT IS VERY DIFFICULT, I AGREE WITH YOU COMMISSIONER COMPERE. I DON'T KNOW WHERE I AM GOING TO LAND , I AGREE WITH YOU FULLY, I SAID I AM YES ON FULLY FUNDING THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE WITH THOSE CAVEATS BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND THE NEEDS , I UNDERSTAND THE NEEDS FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT BUT I UNDERSTAND WE HAVE A LOT OF NEEDS 'S I DON'T OVER THAT FALLS, I AM HARD NO ON THE UTILITY TAX BECAUSE IT IS NOT AN ADVERTISED TAX INCREASE BECAUSE IT WILL GO ON PEOPLE'S ELECTRIC BILL IN THE WILL THINK THE UTILITY PROVIDER RAISED THEIR RATES AND WE ALSO WATCHED GREEN COVE SPRINGS AND WHAT THEY WENT THROUGH SO IT KIND OF MADE THE ADVERTISEMENT BUT I GUESS MY QUESTION, IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE THERE IS PROBABLY THREE OF YOU WILLING TO RAISE THE AD VALOREM AND THE UTILITY TAX ONE TIME YOU GET $7 MILLION OR HOWEVER MUCH IT WAS. IT WOULD GENERATE $7.4 MILLION BUT THAT'S IT. AND FOR THE WHOLE TIME SO THAT IF YOU RAISE THE AD VALOREM I'M NOT GOING TO VOTE TO RAISE THE AD VALOREM I'M JUST SAYING IT SOUNDS TO ME THERE COULD BE THREE VOTES TO DO THAT . I WOULDN'T WHERE YOU WOULDN'T CONSIDER THAT TO GENERATE MORE

REVENUE THAN THE UTILITY. >> WHAT DO YOU MEAN ONE TIME?

>> IT'S NEVER GOING TO BE HIGHER THAN 7 MILLION.

>> EVERY YEAR. >> YES 7 MILLION A YEAR. SO THE SHERIFF'S BUDGET IS NOT GOING DOWN. NEXT YEAR THEY WILL HAVE AN INCREASE , THEY NEEDED 12.5% INCREASE THIS YEAR AND IT HAS BEEN , BETWEEN 10 AND 12% EVERY YEAR THE PAST FOUR YEARS?

>> ABOUT 10 OVER THE PAST FOUR YEARS. NEXT YEAR THEY WILL NEED ANOTHER 10% INCREASE, BUT IF PROPERTY VALUES HAVE NOT INCREASED AND INTEREST RATES HAVE NOT DROPPED , SO WHAT WE SAW LAST YEAR WAS NOT ENOUGH NEW PROPERTIES CAME ONLINE IN CLAY COUNTY TO RAISE THE TOTAL AMOUNT COLLECTED IN PROPERTY TAXES , THE 10 TO 12% WE HAD SEEN. IT'S ONLY GOING UP 6.6% SO YOU HAVE TO FIND THE OTHER 4% SOMEWHERE SO YOU WILL BE FACED WITH THE SAME DECISION. MAYBE IT'S NEXT YEAR I'M JUST CURIOUS NO ONE HAS TALKED ABOUT THAT AND I WAS JUST CURIOUS AS TO WHY. MAYBE IT IS A RHETORICAL QUESTION FOR THE GROUP BUT IT WAS INTRIGUING TO ME THAT HAS NOT BEEN DISCUSSED. AT ONE POINT WE WERE DISCUSSING ROLLBACK AND NOBODY IS GOING TO GO TO ROLLBACK AND WE KNOW WHY.

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>> TO CLARIFY WHERE MY HEADSPACE IS, THE MOST MINIMALLY INVASIVE WAY. YOU ARE RIGHT, COMMISSIONER RENNINGER SAID AT THE BEGINNING, TOUGH TIMES ARE AHEAD. IF YOU THINK THIS IS GETTING EASIER OVER THE NEXT FOUR YEARS IT'S NOT, IT WILL CONTINUE TO GET HARDER AND DECISIONS WILL GET TOUGHER AND TOUGHER AND TOUGHER BUT CRAWL BEFORE YOU WALK. YOU MAKE SOME VERY VALID POINTS AND IT IS GOING TO BE INTERESTING OVER THE NEXT 4 TO 6 YEARS HOW THIS DEVELOPS BUT MY HEADSPACE IS MAKE THE MOST MINIMAL CHANGE AS POSSIBLE TO GET THE NEEDS MET FROM WHERE WE ARE AT.

>> BASED ON THE PAST CONVERSATION I DON'T THINK THERE'S FIRE IN THE BELLY FOR A AD VALOREM INCREASE. NOT FOR ME.

QUESTION IF THERE ARE THREE VOTES I'M A HARD NO. I WILL BE UP FRONT. SO I THINK STAFF DIRECTION NOT TO BE DON'T LOOK AT AD VALOREM BECAUSE THE UNCERTAINTY OF THE GOVERNMENT ,

THEY ARE GOING THE OTHER WAY. >> THIS IS MY IN THE OPPORTUNITY ASKED THE QUESTION IN THE SUNSHINE. I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT FOR THE PUBLIC TO KNOW.

>> I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO TELL STAFF DON'T LOOK AT AD

VALOREM. >> WE APPRECIATE THAT BECAUSE THAT GIVES CLARITY THAT'S OFF THE TABLE. I HAVE HEARD THREE OF YOU LOUD AND CLEAR THAT'S OFF THE TABLE SO THAT IS ONE LESS THING, ONE LESS ANALYSIS STAFF HAS TO RUN SO I APPRECIATE YOU PUTTING THAT OUT. TO CLARIFY UTILITY TAX. IT IS 10% ANNUALLY TO THE CHAIR'S POINT. IS NOT GOING TO GO IF IT GENERATES 11 MILLION NEXT YEAR IT'S GOING TO GENERATE 11.5 THE NEXT YEAR, 11.7 THE YEAR AFTER BECAUSE IT IS BASED ON USAGE SO IT'S BASED ON WHATEVER GROWTH HAPPENS AND I DO THINK YOU ARE IN THE FOUR OR FIVE YEAR MARK BEFORE YOU START TO SEE AND HOWARD AND I HAVE HAD THE CONVERSATION SEVERAL TIMES. WHAT WE NEED IS MORE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT AND THAT IS PROBABLY GOING TO HAPPEN FOR FIVE YEARS FROM NOW AS THE BELTWAY MATURES AS HE STARTS IN COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT COMING SO YOU PROBABLY ARE AND FROM MY EXPERIENCE THAT'S WHERE YOU'RE AT FROM THEIR GROWTH MODEL IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY YOU'LL BE IN THE SAME BOAT FOR THEM. FOR FIVE YEARS FROM NOW. SO YES IT'S GOING TO BE DIFFICULT THE NEXT FEW YEARS ESPECIALLY NOT KNOWING WHAT'S COMING FROM THE STATE AND THAT'S THE OTHER THING WE HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT. WHAT IS THE STATE? ARE THEY GOING TO PUT ANOTHER HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION?

>> I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE ALSO THAT I THINK CLAY ELECTRIC IS A COOPERATIVE AND THERE IS A REBATE THAT COMES BACK TO THE USERS OF THE UTILITY. THIS WILL NOT AFFECT THAT AT ALL BECAUSE THAT REBATE IS PREDICATED ON PROFIT OF THE COOPERATIVE. SO THE REBATE WILL ONLY BE REFLECTED ON THE EFFICIENCY OF CLAY ELECTRIC NOT THE UTILITY TAX ON TOP. I THINK THAT WAS A MISPERCEPTION A COUPLE YEARS AGO WHEN WE TALKED

ABOUT THIS. >> I GUESS THE FINAL THING I WOULD TELL YOU IS THAT I HAVE BEEN ASKED, I HAVE BEEN APPOINTED TO THE PRESIDENT'S SELECT COMMITTEE ON PROPERTY TAXES WITH FLORIDA ASSOCIATION OF COUNTIES. WE HAVE HAD ONE MEETING SO FAR, A SMALL GROUP OF PEOPLE SEEMINGLY TIED TO HOUSE MEMBERS THAT ARE ON THE SPEAKER'S COMMITTEE. SO FOR INSTANCE CARL FROM MARION COUNTY SO IT'S NOT AS BIG AS THE STATE HOUSE COMMITTEE. BUT ANYWAY I AM ON THAT AND SO WE WILL BE PRESENTING TROY AND I HAVE STARTED TALKING WITH THE COUNTY MANAGER TO PRESENT ALTERNATIVES. ONE OF THE THINGS THE FLORIDA ASSOCIATION OF COUNTIES DID IS THAT IN 2008 WHEN THE CAP WAS PUT IN PLACE AND 3% PER YEAR FLORIDA ASSOCIATION OF COUNTIES WAS INSTRUMENTAL IN THAT BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY IF THEY PUT A REFERENDUM OUT TO ELIMINATE PROPERTY TAXES TWO THINGS ARE LIKELY TO HAPPEN. ONE, IT IS LIKELY TO PASS AND TWO IF YOU THINK PEOPLE ARE MOVING TO FLORIDA TODAY IF YOU DON'T WANT TO PAY PROPERTY TAX. ALTHOUGH NEBRASKA JUST HAD IT ON THEIR BALLOT, MISSOURI, IT IS NOT PASSED IN OTHER STATES SO WE

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BY THE GOVERNOR. >> BUT THEY WON'T THE SERVICES.

>> SO ANYWAY. A LOT OF THAT IS UP IN THE AIR. YOU ARE RIGHT, TENUOUS TIMES AND APPRECIATE EVERYONE'S INPUT AND , THE TURNOUT OF EVERYONE TODAY IT'S VERY IMPORTANT.

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