Jun 03, 2025 Planning Commission

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PLEDGE. >> ALL RISE AND PLEASE JOIN ME

IN THE PLEDGE. >> I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA ONE NATION UNDER GOD INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

>> THANK YOU. MY NAME IS PETE DAVIS, CHAIRMAN OF CLAY COUNTY PLANNING AND COMMISSION MEETING OR COMMISSION , COUPLE OF ANNOUNCEMENTS BEFORE WE GET INTO THE REST OF THE STORY BUT IF ANYBODY IS HERE FOR COMP PLAN 25 006 AND THE ZONING 005 , THAT IS THE PINE TREE LANE , IS ANYBODY HERE FOR THAT? OKAY. THAT HAS BEEN DELAYED AND IT WILL BE AT THE NEXT MEETING IN JULY. THE APPLICANT ASKED FOR A CONTINUANCE UNTIL JULY 1ST . IT WILL NOT SHOW UP TONIGHT . YOU CAN ALL GO TAKE AN EARLY BREAK.

UNLESS THEY WANT TO WATCH THIS RIVETING --. I DON'T WANT TO ADD TO THE CONFUSION. OKAY. MINUTES FOR TONIGHT'S MEETING WILL BE TAKEN BY CHRISTINE BLANCHET. RECORDING SECRETARY FOR CLERK OF THE COURTS OFFICE. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE WITH US. OTHER STAFF MEMBERS TONIGHT INCLUDE BETH CARSON, ARE PLANNING A DIRECTOR, JENNI BRYLA ZONING CHIEF LET'S SEE. KELLY HENRY , SHE IS FROM ECONOMIC DEVELOP SERVICES COORDINATION, WE HAVE JAMIE HABANA THIS IS AND CLAY COUNTY ATTORNEY AND MR. SMITH IS THE COUNTY ENGINEER AND WE HAVE A NEW EMPLOYEE, BERNADETTE, BRASIER HAND , BERNADETTE, THE NEW MEMBER OF THE PLANNING STAFF. WE THINK DEPUTY -- AND WE HAVE ANOTHER DEPUTY JOINING US, WHAT IS YOUR NAME? THANK YOU, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE WITH US. THEY WILL BE PROVIDING SECURITY FOR OUR EVENING. I DON'T THINK I HAVE ANY OTHER PEOPLE . COURTNEY?

>> RIGHT IS VICE CHAIRMAN , COMMISSIONER BO NORTON, COMMISSIONER RYLE --, COMMISSIONER MARY BRIDGEMAN . TO MY LEFT IS COMMISSIONER MICHAEL BARRE, BILL GARRISON AND OUR SCHOOL BOARD REPRESENTATIVE IS MR. PAUL BIMMET . -- CLAYTON COUNTY BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS, MOST OF THE DECISIONS MADE BY THE PLANNING COMMITTEE OR RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS OR BCC, BCC WILL HAVE THE FINAL SAY AT THEIR MEETING ON EITHER THE SECOND TUESDAY ONE WEEK FROM TODAY OR THE FOURTH TUESDAY THREE WEEKS FROM TODAY, THE BCC MEETING STARTS AT 4:00 P.M., ZONING AND LAND-USE MATTERS STARTING AT 5:00 P.M. PLEASE CHECK THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS AGENDA FOR THESE ITEMS ON THE CLAY COUNTY WEBSITE. IF THERE IS ANY ITEM ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA THAT YOU WISH TO SPEAK ABOUT, PLEASE FILL OUT ONE OF THE COMMENT CARDS WHICH ARE FOUND -- AND GIVE IT TO MS. BLANCHET . I ALSO WANT TO MAKE KNOW WE HAVE A CHANGE ON THE CARD. THIS IS THE CARD I'M TALKING ABOUT. THERE IS AN OR AT THE BOTTOM, SELECT THE ITEM YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO ON THE AGENDA AND YOU CAN EITHER CHECK SPEAKING , IN WHICH CASE YOU COME TO THE PODIUM OR IF YOU WANT TO WAIVE SPEAKING, YOU CAN ALSO RECORD WHETHER OR NOT YOU ARE FOR OR AGAINST THE AGENDA ITEM. AND WE WILL RECORD THAT INFORMATION TO THE MINUTES. AT THIS TIME PLEASE TURN OFF YOUR CELL PHONES OR SILENCE THEM , HE NEEDS TO CALL DURING THE MEETING PLEASE STEP OUTSIDE. IF YOU NEED

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>> SO MOVED. >> SECOND.

>> EMOTION AND A SECOND, ANY DISCUSSIONS? ALL IN FAVOR, SAY

AYE AYE, PLEASE. >> AYE.

>> THOSE OPPOSED? OKAY. ONE SECOND HERE. WE HAVE AN OPEN COMMENT , OPEN PUBLIC COMMENT PORTION TO THE MEETING , AT THIS TIME ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC MAY COMMENT ON ANY ITEM, ON ITEMS NOT INCLUDED ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA BUT PERTAINING TO THE BUSINESS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION. I DON'T HAVE ANY CARDS REFERRING TO THE PUBLIC COMMENTS BUT IS THERE ANYBODY HERE WHO WISHES TO MAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT? I WILL OPEN THAT AND SEEING THEN I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT. LET'S SEE. I HAVE TO STICK TO THE SCRIPT OTHER WAS AGAIN TROUBLE. WE ALWAYS WELCOME THE PUBLIC TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETINGS , PARTICIPATION IS THE BACKBONE OF OUR DEMOCRATIC FORM OF GOVERNMENT. YOUR PRESENCE IS IMPORTANT AND APPRECIATED. ALL PLANNING COMMISSIONERS OR VOLUNTEERS , RESIDENTS OF CLAY COUNTY APPOINTED BY THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS. AND MUST REAPPLY TO CONTINUE TO SERVE. COMMISSION DUTIES ARE OUTLINED IN SECTION 163 OF THE FLORIDA STATUTE, APPLICATIONS FOR CONFERENCE OF PLAN AMENDMENTS, LAND OF ELEMENT CODE CHANGES AND REZONINGS. THE COMMISSION'S DECISIONS ARE ADVISORY TO THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS. THE PROCESS FOR THE MEETING WILL BE EACH ITEM ON THE PUBLIC HEARING AGENDA WILL BE PRESENTED BY A MEMBER OF THE PLANNING STAFF AT THE , AS PART OF THE PRESENTATION STAFF WILL INCLUDE WHETHER THEY RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE REQUESTED LAND-USE ZONING OR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE CHANGE.

NEXT THE APPLICANT WILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK. FOLLOWING THE APPLICANT'S OPPORTUNITY AFTER PRESENTING HIS APPLICATION, FOLLOWING THE PRESENTATION I WILL OPEN THE FLOOR FOR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC TO OFFER THEIR VIEWS. IF YOU WISH TO SPEAK YOU WILL NEED TO FILL OUT THE COMMENT CARD WHICH I ALREADY TALKED ABOUT AND GIVE IT TO MS. BLANCHET AND TAKE THE OATH OF WHICH MS. BLANCHET WILL ADMINISTER TO ALL WHO WISH TO SPEAK DURING THE HEARING. IF YOU ARE SURE YOU WANT TO SPEAK TAKE THE OATH, SPEAKING, BE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES. WE WILL KEEP TRACK OF YOUR TIME. YOUR TIME IS FOR STATING YOUR VIEWS AND NOT ASKING QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT , MEMBERS OF THE STAFF OR THE COMMISSIONERS. YOUR COMMENTS ARE TO BE DIRECTED TO HE CLIENT COMMISSIONER. AFTER'S THAT THE APPLICANT AND THE PUBLIC HAVE ALL HAD THEIR CHANCES TO STATE THEIR VIEWS, THE FLOOR WILL BE CLOSED FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS AND THE APPLICANT WILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO RESPOND TO COMMENTS BY THE PUBLIC. AT THAT TIME THE COMMISSIONERS WILL DISCUSS THE MATTER IF NECESSARY AND RENDER A DECISION. AGAIN I THINK YOU AND COMMEND YOU FOR YOUR PARTICIPATION IN THIS PROCESS. BEFORE WE START THE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION, MS. BLANCHET WILL ISSUE THE OATH. ANYBODY THAT WISHES TO SPEAK, PLEASE STAND AND MS. BLANCHET WILL GIVE YOU THE OATH.

>> ALL RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. SOLEMNLY SWEAR THE TESTIMONY YOU'RE ABOUT TO GIVE IS THE WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH, SO HELP YOU GOD. I APPRECIATE YOU ALL.

>> OKAY. I'M GOING TO CHANGE THE ORDER OF THE AGENDA A LITTLE BIT. BECAUSE ALL WE HAVE ONE APPLICATION REQUESTING A CONTINUANCE AND IN A MAJORITY THE AUDIENCE HERE'S INTERESTED ON ITEM NUMBER FOUR. SO, WE WILL TAKE THAT AND WE WILL TAKE

[5.  Public Hearing to consider COMP 25-0009 and ZON 25-0010 (District 5, Comm Burke) (J. Bryla)]

WITH IT. SO JULIE? >> EXCUSE ME, JENNI BRYLA ,

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>> COLLIN GRAU, 3900 PASADENA ROAD. WE ARE ASKING FOR A CONTINUANCE TO THE NEXT MEETING OR AS SOON AS AFTERWARDS, WE GOT SOME GREAT COMMENTS FROM A CITIZEN ADVISORY COMMITTEE AND STAFF AND WANT TO MAKE SOME SET DENTAL CHANGES TO THE PROJECT AND BRING BACK TO YOU. WE ARE ASKING FOR A CONTINUANCE UNTIL WE CAN MAKE THOSE CHANGES AND MEET WITH THE PEOPLE AND GET A BETTER PROJECT. THAT IS WHAT WE ARE SHOOTING FOR.

>> OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I HAVE TWO CARDS THAT WANT TO SPEAK ON THAT. MARK HENSON . MARK, DO YOU WISH TO SPEAK ON THIS TONIGHT? OR DO YOU WANT TO DEFER UNTIL IT COMES BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE BOARD?

>> I CAN SPEAK ON IT TONIGHT OR WE CAN WAIT .

>> YOU CAN DO EITHER OR BOTH. >> AS A RESIDENT IN THAT LOCAL AREA, THE PROPOSED PLAN 98 TOWNHOMES I DON'T AGREE WITH,

THE TRAFFIC AND THINGS. >> SORRY, GIVE US YOUR NAME AND

ADDRESS. >> MARK HENSON, 3207 GREENLEAF WAY. THE PROPOSED 98 TOWNHOMES ON 10 ACRES AT THE RAILROAD TRACKS AT 315 AND RUSSELL ROAD , SAFETY ISSUES ARE GOING TO BE TREMENDOUS. WE ALREADY HAVE A PROBLEM WITH PEOPLE BACKING UP OVER 17 COMING SOUTH TO GREEN COVE BEFORE TURNING ONTO RUSSELL ROAD , TRYING TO GO DOWN RUSSELL ROAD. WAY TOO MUCH TRAFFIC , I DON'T AGREE WITH THE PROPOSED PLAN.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THE OTHER CARD I HAVE IS KATHLEEN WALLS . IS KATHLEEN HERE? NO. OKAY .

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>> AVENUE, GREEN COVE SPRINGS, FLORIDA. I LIVE DIRECTLY BEHIND HER THE RAILROAD TRACKS ARE AND WHERE THE PROPOSED BUILDING PROJECT IS. I COULD PROBABLY , MY SON COULD THROW FOOTBALL THAT FAR. THE RAILROAD TRACKS AS YOU KNOW VERY LOUD , THERE IS ANOTHER CONSTRUCTION PROJECT ON RUSSELL ROAD CURRENTLY. THEY'RE ALSO BUILDING CONDOS IN THAT AREA I BELIEVE. THE BACKUP WITH THE TRAFFIC AND THE CONSTRUCTION , THE ROAD CONSTRUCTION THAT IS CURRENTLY UNDERWAY HAS BEEN DIFFICULT FOR THE RESIDENTS .

RUSSELL ROAD IS GETTING BUSIER AND BUSIER WITH ALL THE NEW CONSTRUCTION. WE JUST MOVED HERE A YEAR AND A HALF AGO AND I COULDN'T BELIEVE HAVING COME FROM ST. JOHN'S COUNTY, WE THAT WE WERE COMING TO EIGHT QUIET COMMUNITY AND IT HAS BEEN UNBELIEVABLE WITH THE TRAFFIC AND , WE JUST DID NOT EXPECT.

SO, WE INVESTED QUITE A BIT IN HER HOME AND IT IS DISAPPOINTING TO THINK THAT WE LEFT A REALLY BUSY AREA TO MOVE TO AN AREA THAT WILL BE SUPER BUSY AS WELL. ALSO THE NOISE OF CONSTRUCTION , BACKING UP THE RAILROAD TRACKS IS GOING TO BE INCREDIBLY LOUD BECAUSE THAT IS 98 HOMES . IT IS PROBABLY TWO YEARS OF BANGING, BEEPING AND ALL THAT. WE ARE AGAINST IT AND I JUST WANTED TO TAKE THE TIME TO VOICE MY CONCERN. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. ONCE AGAIN I'VE GOT SEVERAL CARDS THAT WANT TO SPEAK ON THIS AND YOU CAN SPEAK TONIGHT OR YOU CAN SPEAK ON JULY THE FIRST OR YOU CAN SPEAK TONIGHT AND JULY THE FIRST, IT IS YOUR CHOICE. THE NEXT CARD I HAVE IS ROBERT KOESTER.

>> SOME OF THOSE ARE NOT FOR FOUR , SIR.

>> OH, I'M SORRY. HANG ON, ROBERT.

>> CHAIR , THE APPLICANT WOULD LIKE TO GO TO THE CAC AGAIN, I BELIEVE IT WILL BE CONTINUED PAST JULY 1ST BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT THEY ARE NOT GOING TO MEET UNTIL THE MIDDLE OF JULY AND SO WE WILL HAVE TO RE-ADVERTISE. SO, ANYBODY THAT WISHES TO SPEAK WILL FIND THE ADVERTISEMENT IN THE NEWSPAPER, WE WILL

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RE-NOTICE. >> OKAY. RANDY MILLS , ARE YOU SPEAKING ON THIS ITEM OR DO YOU HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT ? I DON'T

HAVE A NUMBER. >>

>> WAITING. OKAY. JULIAN ROCK , NO, THAT IS ON FOUR, I APOLOGIZE. THE REST ARE FOUR. IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON ITEM NUMBER FIVE? OKAY. I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMISSION.

>> MR. CHAIR, I MAKE A NOTION, CLARIFICATION FROM STAFF , YOU DON'T THINK THIS CAN GET ON THE JULY MEETING, SHOULD WE CONTINUE IT TO THE AUGUST MEETING? IS THAT OKAY? IS HE THE APPLICANT NODDING. OKAY. I'M GOING TO MOVE CONTINUANCE OF THIS ITEM TO THE AUGUST MEETING. SOMEBODY GIVE ME THE DATE? TO THE AUGUST MEETING OR AS SOON AFTER AS CAN BE HEARD.

>> I SECOND THAT MOTION. >> AUGUST 5TH.

>> OKAY, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND, ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN

FAVOR SAY AYE. >> AYE.

>> AYE. >> AYE. THE POST? OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR. THE NEXT ITEM WE ARE GOING TO TAKE UP IS THE THIRD ITEM ON THE AGENDA .

TO PICK UP THE COMP FIRST? >>

>> IT'S A ZONING 25008 . OKAY. JENNI BRYLA BRYLA ?

>> WHEN YOU WANT TO HEAR ITEM NUMBER ONE, SIR?

>> LET'S TAKE THAT FIRST , I APOLOGIZE FOR KIND OF BEING IN A

[1.  Public Hearing to consider COMP 25-0004 (District 5, Comm Burke) (D. Selig)]

>> MR. CHAIR , STAFF IS REQUESTING A CONTINUATION OF COMP 25 004 , WE REQUESTED INFORMATION FROM THE APPLICANT , FURTHER INFORMATION AND THEY DID NOT RECEIVE, WE DID NOT RECEIVE IT IN TIME TO PROVIDE IT AS A PART OF THIS COMPLETE APPLICATION, SO, WE REQUEST THAT IT BE CONTINUED TO JULY 1ST. AND I BELIEVE THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, POSSIBLY.

>> OKAY . SINCE WE ARE THE APPLICANT, THERE IS NO

APPLICANT, RIGHT? >> SORRY, THIS IS AN APPLICANT BUT I DON'T BELIEVE THEY ARE HERE BECAUSE THEY UNDERSTOOD IT WOULD BE REQUESTED TO BE CONTINUED.

>> OKAY. I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. I HAVE TWO CARDS ON THIS ITEM AND ONCE AGAIN, YOU CAN SPEAK TONIGHT OR YOU CAN SPEAK AT THE JULY MEETING OR YOU CAN SPEAK IT BOTH. THE FIRST CAR

TO HAVE HIS LYNN GAIN. >> I WILL WAIT.

>> OKAY. THEY DON'T HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION TOGETHER YET.

THOMAS BAUER? >>

>> OKAY. THANK YOU, SIR. >> MR. CHAIR, IF I COULD ADD, FOR ANY OF THESE ITEMS WE ARE REQUESTING CONTINUATION, THE APPLICANT OR THE COUNTY WOULD HAVE TO GO OUT AND CHANGE THIS DATES ON THE SCIENCE, WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH THIS MEETING OR A MEETING WITH THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS TO GET THE FORM A CONTINUATION BEFORE WE CAN CHANGE THE SIGN BUT IF ANYONE IS INTERESTED IN THESE IEMS, THEY SHOULD WATCH FOR THE SIGNS AND

THE DATES WILL BE CHANGING. >> OKAY.

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>> ALL RIGHT, CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

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MICROPHONE. >>

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>> SAVIOR COMMENT, WE HAVE TO GET IT RECORDED.

>> IT IS PARALLEL TO THE ROAD, IT IS A STRAIGHT ROAD AND YOU'RE NOT EVEN AT A CORNER OF AN INTERSECTION I'M WONDERING IF IT'S POSSIBLE TO MAKE THE SIGN PERPENDICULAR TO THE ROAD, TWO

SIDED. >> YOU ARE TALLER THAN HER

AVERAGE CUSTOMER. >> SORRY. THE QUESTION IS ABOUT THE SIGNAGE. I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE DRIVE RIGHT BY IT BECAUSE IT IS 25 MILES PER HOUR AND THE LOCATION OF THE SIGN IS GREAT BUT IT IS PARALLEL TO THE ROAD AND IT SHOULD BE PERPENDICULAR, TWO SIDED, I UNDERSTAND TO SAVE MONEY YOU MAKE IT ONE-SIDED AND PARALLEL BUT BIG ENOUGH PEOPLE GOT TO SEE IT OTHERWISE PROBABLY THERE WOULD BE MORE HERE TONIGHT, JUST MY TWO CENTS ABOUT

HOW TO PLACE THE SIGN. >> GAVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS,

PLEASE. >> THOMAS BAUER, 3316 WILDERNESS

CIRCLE. >> THANK YOU.

>> THANKS FOR YOUR TIME. >> OKAY, BACK TO THE COMMISSION.

A REQUEST FOR CONTINUANCE. >> MR. CHAIR, I MOVE CONTINUANCE OF COMP 25 004 TO THE JULY 1ST MEETING OR SOON THEREAFTER AS IT

CAN BE HEARD. >> I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND, ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE?

>> AYE. >> AYE. ALL OF THOSE OPPOSED?

[2.  Public Hearing to consider ZON 25-0015 (waste control) (D. Selig)]

>> MR. CHAIR AND PLANNING COMMISSION THIS IS ZONE 25 0015 , THIS ITEM WILL GO BEFORE THE BCC AT THEIR JUNE 24TH PUBLIC HEARING AT 5:00 P.M. THIS IS A STAFF INITIATED AMENDMENT TO THE LAND OF ELEMENT CODE, PROMPTED BY SOME COMMENTS MADE BY THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION, WHEN THEY WERE REVIEWING OUR STORMWATER MANAGEMENT PROGRAM THEY MADE THE RECOMMENDATION THAT WE ADD THIS LANGUAGE TO OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE . THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT, THIS IS PART OF ARTICLE EIGHT , 8-16 SECTION , SUBSECTION 2, ADDING A NEW SUBSECTION K FOR WASTE CONTROL AND THIS IS THE PROPOSED LANGUAGE THAT WE WOULD BE ADDING. THERE ARE SOME OTHER MINOR CHANGES THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED TWO ARTICLES 2 AND 8, THAT ARE JUST ADDING THE TERM WASTE CONTROL FOR CONSISTENCY BETWEEN OUR TWO ARTICLES. WITH THAT STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THIS LANGUAGE, WHICH AGAIN IS A STRAIGHT FROM FTP , THEY PROVIDED THIS LANGUAGE TO US, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? RICHARD SMITH IS HERE , BY THE WAY, IF YOU HAVE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS.

>> COMMISSIONER ? >> THANK YOU, QUICK QUESTION. I THINK THIS IS GREAT AND I SEE NO ISSUE HERE. MY ONLY CONCERN THE QUESTION WOULD BE ABOUT THE CONCRETE WASHOUT. ARE THERE , ARE THEY STANDARD OR IS THERE A GUIDELINE THAT I GUESS THE BUILDERS IN THIS CASE HAVE TO FOLLOW? WHERE THEY PUT SOMETHING UNDERNEATH TO WASH OUT ONTO? WHAT IS THE STANDARD OR THE REQUIREMENT FOR THAT?

>> RICHARD SMITH, COUNTY ENGINEER. THE STANDARD SHOULD BE, DO NOT WASH IT OUT ON SITE, BUT THEY DO. THEY DO THAT AND THEY HAVE TO PUT UP , BASICALLY A ONE CONCRETE BLOCK TALL WASHOUT AREA , SO IT DOES NOT GO ANYWHERE ELSE AND THEN CLEAN IT UP OFF THE END OF THE PROJECT. BUT THEY SHOULD NOT WATCH , WASH THEIR DRUM OUT ON LIKE A SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL SITE ESPECIALLY, THEY CAN TAKE THAT BACK TO THE PLAN TO DO THE CLEANING THERE BUT IF THEY DO ON SITE THAT IS WHAT THEY ARE LIMITED TO. THEY CANNOT LEAVE THE SITE.

>> THERE IS NO REQUIREMENT FOR IT TO BE ALIGNED OR ANYTHING ,

JUST ONE CONCRETE BLOCK TALL? >> I WILL LOOK AND SEE BUT I THINK THERE IS SOME GEOTECH THEY PUT UNDERNEATH IT, WE DON'T DO A LOT OF ENFORCEMENT HERE , WE WILL BEGIN DOING A LOT OF

ENFORCEMENT ON THIS. >> I APPRECIATE THE

CLARIFICATION. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. I DON'T HAVE ANY CARDS IN THIS AGENDA ITEM, DOES ANYBODY WISH TO SPEAK TO ITEM NUMBER TWO ON

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DISCUSSION AND EMOTION. >> I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE

THE STAFF REPORT. >> A SECOND .

>> I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND , ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN

FAVOR SAY AYE. >> AYE.

>> AYE. THOSE OPPOSED? THE MOTION PASSES. ALL RIGHT. NOW WE

[3.  First Public Hearing to consider ZON 25-0008 (J. Bryla)]

>> THANK YOU, JENNI BRYLA, ZONING CHIEF, PRESENTING LAND OF ELEMENT CODE AMENDMENT CON 25-0008 . THIS AMENDMENT IS CLARIFYING IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE UNDER PUBLIC OWNERSHIP WHAT KIND OF VESSELS CAN BE USED ON A BOAT LAUNCH AND THIS IS MADE POSSIBLE THROUGH A REPETITIVE GRANT FROM FEMA , THAT ALLOWED US TO OBTAIN A PROPERTY THAT WILL ULTIMATELY BECOME A NON-MOTORIZED BOAT LAUNCH . THIS IS A COUNTYWIDE AMENDMENT AND THEN THE APPLICATION ZON 25 -0009 IS INTENDING TO CHANGE THE ZONING OF THE PROPERTY, SO, IT WILL FOLLOW THIS APPLICATION. YOU CAN SEE THE CHANGES TO SECTION 3-30 5B IN RED, SO, WHEN IT SAYS THE PERMITTED USES IN PUBLIC PARKS AND RECREATIONAL FACILITIES IT SAYS BOAT RAMPS, WE JUST CLARIFIED IT IS MOTORIZED AND NON-MOTORIZED BOAT AND THEN WE CHANGED THE FRONTAGE, SO THE MINIMUM FRONTAGE REQUIRED ON A PUBLIC STREET WOULD BE REDUCED FROM 100 FEET TO 50 FEET. AND THEN IN NUMBER SEVEN IT WAS A TYPO SHOULD'VE BEEN FIXED WHEN IT WAS ADOPTED, BUT IT WASN'T, THAT WAS AN ERROR AND THEN IF YOU GO DOWN TO ITEM NUMBER 10 WE ADDED THE REQUIRED PARKING NUMBER SPACES FOR NON-MOTORIZED BOAT RAMPS TO BE FIVE SPACES, CONSISTENT WITH THE OTHER ELEMENTS FOR PUBLIC RECREATION .

SO, THOSE ARE THE CHANGES WE ARE PROPOSING AND THIS ITEM WAS PRESENTED AT THE LAKE ASBURY ADVISORY COMMITTEE ON MAY 8TH AND PROVIDED A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL 9-0 AND WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING WITH THIS AMENDMENT CHANGE IS THANK YOU , I GET CHOKED UP . IS A PUBLIC BOARDWALK AND A KAYAK LAUNCH, SO , STAFF HAS FOUND THE REQUEST TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE CLAY COUNTY COMPANY THE PLAN AND RECOMMENDS APPROVAL.

>> A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS . JENI , THE MINIMUM FRONTAGE REQUIREMENT , I DON'T SEE IT HERE UNLESS I MISSED IT, IS THERE A MINIMUM WITH REQUIREMENT, LIKE ON THE WATER? OR I MEAN, IF YOU HAD 50 FEET ON THE FRONTAGE, THIS COULD NARROW

>> IT COULD. THAT IS NOT CURRENTLY IN OUR CODE. IT MAY BE SOMETHING THAT WE COULD ADD WHEN WE UPDATE THE CODE .

>> ACTUALLY, I THINK THAT IS KIND OF AN OMISSION AND I THINK THERE OUGHT TO BE AT LEAST A MINIMUM SIZE TO THE LOT OR A MINIMUM WITH OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT .

>> PROBABLY AIMED AT A SPECIFIC PROPERTY BUT IT IS GLOBAL TO THE COUNTY. SO , IF WE DON'T HAVE SOME KIND OF REQUIREMENT LIKE THAT IN THE CODE TODAY, IT SEEMS LIKE WE SHOULD BECAUSE YOU COULD GET A LITTLE 50 FOOT STRIP AND TURN IT INTO A BOAT RAMP AND A PARK , WHICH MAY OR MAY NOT BE A BAD IDEA, JUST SOMETHING THAT IS

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>> THIS IS FOR PUBLIC OWNERSHIP LANDS.

>> RIGHT. BUT REGARDLESS OF WHAT IT IS , IT SEEMS LIKE YOU OUGHT TO HAVE A MINIMUM , SOME KIND OF MINIMUM DIMENSION OR ACREAGE OR SOMETHING TO ENSURE WE DON'T GET A PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT MAY NOT BE APPROPRIATE FOR THIS USE. THE OTHER COMMENT OR QUESTION I HAVE , UNDER THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION, YOU HAVE, YOU RECOMMENDED APPROVAL SUBJECT TO THE ADOPTION AND THE RE-ZONING OF A SPECIFIC PIECE OF PROPERTY. I DON'T THINK THE TWO ARE RELATED BECAUSE I THINK THIS IS JUST FOR P.O. 2 ZONING , ANYWHERE IN THE COUNTY, SO , AS OFTEN WE DO HAVE A SPECIFIC ISSUE , SOMETIMES IT DRIVES A CHANGE TO THE HOLE ZONING BOOK, WHICH IS NOT NECESSARILY ALWAYS A GOOD IDEA. I THINK THE TWO ARE NOT COUPLED IS MY OPINION BUT I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE FACT THAT THE 50 FEET DOES NOT BOTHER ME, IT IS, THE LACK, THERE ARE NO OTHER SPECIFICATIONS WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE, THAT IS ALL.

>> MR. CHAIR, THERE IS A MINIMUM LOT AREA FOR RAMPS SPECIFIED OF

ONE ACRE, IS THAT CORRECT? >> YES , MA'AM.

>> THAT IS THE ONLY THING I SEE. SO, HAS TO BE AT LEAST ONE ACRE.

>> THERE IS NO MINIMUM WITH , YES. I MEAN AND I BRING THIS UP BECAUSE IN MY MIND AND I HAVE SEEN THIS BEFORE AND IT IS NOT A BAD THING, I'VE SEEN IT IN MANY PLACES, IN A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD, THERE IS A PARCEL THEY CHOOSE FOR PUBLIC ACCESS OF A THING, IN FACT THERE IS ONE OF THE END OF LAKE SHORE DRIVE.

THAT GIVES YOU ACCESS TO THE LAKE RIGHT NEXT TO A BUNCH OF HOMES, THAT IN ITSELF IS NOT THE PROBLEM. THE PROBLEM IS THAT THE LAND IS WIDE ENOUGH TO ACCOMMODATE THE USE , THAT IS

WHAT I'M SAYING. >> AND MR. CHAIR, I BELIEVE TO THAT POINT , IF IT WERE 50 FOOT WIDE ONE ACRE LOT IT WOULD BE DIFFICULT TO TURN AROUND RIGGS AND BACK IN RIGGS AND THAT SORT

OF THING. >> SO, DO WE WANT TO SEND THIS BACK TO STAFF AND HAVE IT RE-WORKED?

>> THOSE ARE JUST MY COMMENTS. YOU GUYS MAY HAVE A DIFFERENT

OPINION. >> I THINK YOUR POINT IS WELL TAKEN. THE QUESTION IS , DOES EVERYONE AGREE?

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HAVE IT PROCEED? >> IT DOES CREATE A PROBLEM FROM THE STANDPOINT THAT IT IS NOT DEFINITIVE ENOUGH AS FAR AS IF WE HAVE A 50 FOOT WITH AND THAT IS JUST A 50 FOOT LOT THEN THAT CREATES AN ISSUE, IT COULD BE 300 FEET LONG BUT, AND STILL NOT MAKE THE REQUIREMENT, I AM CONCERNED THAT WE ARE CRANKING IT FROM 100 FEET DOWN TO 50 FEET AND I DON'T KNOW , I'M NOT TOO SURE THAT IS THE RIGHT DIRECTION WE NEED TO BE GOING BUT THIS SEEMS RATHER NARROW , ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU CONSIDER SOME OF THE OTHER USES IN HERE LIKE CAMPGROUNDS, PARKS, PLAYGROUNDS, ATHLETIC FIELDS AND GOLF COURSES, FAIRGROUNDS, AUDITORIUMS , ANYBODY THAT HAS GOT A 10 ACRE LOT WITH ONLY EIGHT NIFTY FOOT STRETCH IN FRONT OF IT. THE PUTS IN AN AUDITORIUM OR ARENA, THAT COULD BE AN ISSUE.

>> YES, SIR. WHAT IS THE BOARD SUGGESTING? WE CAN ADD LANGUAGE IN THERE OR SEE WHAT IS APPROPRIATE THROUGH OTHER

JURISDICTION . >> THANK YOU, I UNDERSTAND WHAT STAFF IS DOING WITH THIS. IT MAKES SENSE AND I THINK THE FOCUS HERE IS FOR NON-MOTORIZED BOATING AND , SO, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT CANOES , KAYAKS AND WHAT NOT. BUT I WOULD OFFER THAT WE

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>> MR. CHAIR? >> I WANT TO RESPOND. I DON'T THINK THERE IS A PROBLEM WITH THE 50 FOOT ENTRANCE, I THINK THE PROBLEM IS WITH THE BACK PART WHERE YOU TURNAROUND AND PARKING THAT KIND OF A THING. THE PARCEL MIGHT BE SHAPED IN SUCH A WAY THAT IT HAS KIND OF A SMALL ENTRANCE AND OPENS UP, WHICH IS A DIFFERENT ISSUE. I WOULD SUPPORT MR. PEREZ POINT BUT I THINK YOU NEED TO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING.

>> ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER COMMENTS ? QUESTION FOR STAFF . I HAVE A LOT OF CARDS. WE WILL START WORKING OUR WAY THROUGH THOSE, I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. THIS IS ON ITEM FOUR.

>> THREE. THREE, SIR. >> ITEM THREE. TWO HAVE ANYONE HE WISHES TO SPEAK ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER THREE? YES, SIR?

THIS IS NOT THE ZONING. >> UNDERSTAND, SIR.

>> DID YOU TURN IN A CART ON THIS ITEM? P2 I DID NOT, TURNED IN 14 BUT UPON LISTENING WHAT YOU GUYS ARE TALKING ABOUT ON THREE AND THEN READING WHAT FOUR IS THAT WE ARE GOING TO BE DISCUSSING, THIS SAYS PUBLIC BOARDWALK AND KAYAK.

>> I NEED YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.

>> JAMES CHAMPION, 4051 HOLLAND BARRY ROAD. I AGREE WITH THE GENTLEMAN THERE ABOUT THE SIZE AND COMING IN AND BEING ABLE TO TURN AROUND. THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY IS A PIE SHAPED, IT IS REALLY NARROW IN THE FRONT COMING IN OFF THE ROAD AND IT GETS REALLY WIDE AND GOES DOWN TO THE CREEK, ON THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY. WITH ALL OF THAT BEING SAID , YOU COULD COME IN THERE AND THIS BEING A KAYAK OR A BOARDWALK OR WHATEVER, WHO'S TO SAY THAT DOWN THE ROAD YOU PASS IT AND A KAYAK IS LAUNCHED A YEAR FROM NOW ON YOU ARE DOING IT A MOTORIZED BOAT RAMP FOR KAYAKS, EXCUSE ME, FOR JET SKIS , FOR WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE.

THEN YOU ARE BRINGING MORE OF THIS INTO A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD, INSTEAD OF SOMETHING THAT IS MORE OPEN FOR PUBLIC USE , AND SET OF RESIDENTIAL USE. THAT WOULD BE MY OPINION AND THANK YOU FOR TAKING MY TIME.

>> ANYBODY ELSE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM?

>> HI, MY NAME IS CASSANDRA RICE AND I MET 20 DONE 90 ELECTRIC DRIVE. I'M FAMILIAR WITH THIS PROPERTY AND FAILURE OF THE CREEK. AS OF A YEAR AND A HALF % AGO MOST OF THE CREEK WAS BLOCKED, WE CLEARED IT OUT, A LOT OF THE NEIGHBORS HERE. YOU GOT TO TAKE CONSIDERATION INTO HOW NARROW THE CREEK IS RIGHT AT THIS EVENING. AND PASSING , WHETHER IT IS POSSIBLE BECAUSE TO THE LEFT IT IS NOT. THANK YOU.

>> MA'AM, COULD YOU FILL OUT A CARD. SHE IS ON FOUR, ALL RIGHT.

IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? YES, SIR.

>> HI, MY NAME IS DON RENSHAW AND I MET 2994 BLACK CREEK. IN LISTENING TO THIS, THIS IS LIKE OUT OF THE BLUE , IT SOUNDS LIKE IT WAS MADE UP TO ACCOMMODATE THE ZONING FOUR ISSUE. AND THAT IS NOT RIGHT BECAUSE YOU CAN GO BACK AND CHANGE THIS AND CHANGE THAT BUT WHAT YOU ARE SAYING HERE IS CONTRARY TO WHAT WE WERE TOLD, WE WERE TOLD KAYAKS, NON-MOTORIZED AND -- IS NOTHING TO STOP YOU FROM DOING THAT. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE BEEN TO THAT AREA BUT YOU NEED TO HAVE SOME LEGAL THERE AND LOOK AT IT BEFORE YOU MAKE A CHANGE, NOT

ALL CHANGE IS GOOD . >> THANK YOU, SIR. ANYBODY ELSE

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>> I AM CATHERINE PATRICK AND I MET 3007 BLACK CREEK DRIVE. I'M OPPOSED TO THIS WHOLE THING. THIS IS OUR TRANQUILITY , THIS IS AT THE DEAD END PORTION OF A ROAD, THE LAST OFFICE BEFORE THIS INTERSECTION AND IT DOES SEEM LIKE THREE WAS KIND OF SNUCK IN ON US, OR IT WAS NOT MENTIONED ANYWHERE IN FOUR AND I'M OPPOSED TO IT BEING RE-ZONED IS ANYTHING.

>> THANK YOU, MA'AM. ANYBODY ELSE? OKAY. I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. BACK TO THE COMMISSION. DO WE WANT TO ASK

FOR RE-WORK ON THIS? >> YES, I WILL MAKE A MOTION AND ASK STAFF TO GO BACK AND EVALUATE THE LIMITS THAT A STANDARD , YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS WIDTH AND LENGTH , DO SOME RESEARCH AND JUST LET'S BRING IT BACK AND TALK ABOUT THE STANDARDS ARE AND TO HELP CLARIFY THIS A LITTLE BIT MORE.

I WILL MAKE A GENERAL STATEMENT AFTER.

>> I WILL SECOND THE MOTION. >> OKAY WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR AND A SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION?

>> I JUST , IS THERE A REASON THAT THE MOTORIZED AND NON-MOTORIZED HAVE TO BE TOGETHER? IN MY MIND, HAVE KAYAK BEFORE AND I KNOW I'VE LAUNCHED IN PLACES THAT A MOTORIZED BOAT COULD NEVER GET INTO , AND OTHER PLACES I'VE LAUNCHED MORE TECHNICALLY BUT I COULD IMAGINE YOU WOULD HAVE A BOAT LAUNCH FOR NON-MOTORIZED CRAFT, KAYAKS AND CANOES. I THINK ANOTHER QUESTION/CONCERN IS THE FACT THAT WE ARE MARRYING MOTORIZED

AND NON-MOTORIZED TOGETHER. >> NO, I THINK THAT IS A GOOD , I THINK THAT IS A GOOD POINT. WE WERE , I THINK, TRYING TO TOUCH THE CODE AS LITTLE AS POSSIBLE AND JUST ADD CLARITY.

>> ANOTHER BITE OF THE APPLE. >> GO AHEAD, SIR.

>> EVERYTHING WE SET I KIND OF AGREE WITH, THOUGH I THINK THE POINT IS THAT THIS IS PART OF THE PO 2 ZONING HERE BUT TO YOUR POINT, WHICH I THINK IT'S ALSO WHAT MR. BERRET WAS SAYING IS WE PROBABLY NEED TO LOOK AT MAKING US A LITTLE BIT MORE SPECIFIC FOR USES, YOU KNOW? THERE IS THIS FOR BOAT RAMPS, MOTORIZED.

THIS FOR NON-MOTORIZED BOAT RAMPS, ET CETERA. BECAUSE HOPEFULLY WE WILL HAVE MORE OPPORTUNITIES AROUND THE COUNTY TO GET SOME WATERFRONT BECAUSE PUBLIC ACCESS TO THE WATERFRONT , IN MY VIEW, SOMETHING WE SHOULD BE STRIVING FOR BUT WE HAVE TO DO IT CORRECTLY. THE IDEA THAT ONLY PEOPLE WHO LIVE ON THE WATER CAN GET TO THE WATER IS NOT RIGHT. SO, WHEREVER WE HAVE PUBLIC ACCESS , LET'S DO IT BUT IN A WAY THAT MAKES

SENSE. >> OKAY. MY COMMENT ABOUT IT IS , I AGREE WITH ONE OF OUR RESIDENTS HERE IN THAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT CONTROL. IF WE PUT PO 2 OUT THERE FOR KAYAKS , PADDLE BOARDS OR HIGH-SPEED JET SKIS AND STUFF LIKE THAT ALL UNDER ONE UMBRELLA HOW ARE WE GOING TO CONTROL IT? WHO WILL MONITOR IT? I GUARANTEE , ESPECIALLY IF THERE IS A RAMP TO THE WATER, SOMEBODY WILL DROP THEIR BOAT IN THERE , SO, THIS DEFINITELY NEEDS SOME WORK BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD WITH IT.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? CALL FOR A VOTE, THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

>> AYE. AS YOU AND THOSE OPPOSED ? OKAY.

>> IF I CAN JUST MAKE A FOLLOW-UP COMMENT. THERE SEEM TO BE A BIT OF CONFUSION AMONGST THE GROUP.. THIS WAS A GENERAL VOTE , COUNTYWIDE, THE NEXT TIME WE ARE GOING TO DISCUSS IS SPECIFIC TO A SPECIFIC PARCEL. WE DID NOT WANT TO CONFLICT A GENERAL VOTE THAT AFFECTS THE ENTIRE COUNTY TO ONE THAT MAY AFFECT THIS PARCEL WE ARE ABOUT TO DISCUSS AND I JUST WANTED TO

[4.  Public Hearing to Consider ZON 25-0009 (Distric 5, Comm Burke) (J. Bryla)]

>> OKAY. WE WILL MOVE ON TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FOUR, WHICH IS ZONING FOR 25-009.

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>> , CHAIR, THIS IS A RE-ZONING APPLICATION FOR ZON 25 -009 .

THIS IS A STAFF INITIATED AMENDMENT. I WANTED TO , PRIOR TO MAKING MY PRESENTATION, WE HAD ONE WRITTEN COMMENT OF REJECTION THAT WAS SENT IN .

>> THANK YOU, MA'AM.

>> SO, I WAS JUST TOLD THAT STAFF WOULD LIKE TO REQUEST A CONTINUANCE TO GO BACK AND WORK THROUGH THE ISSUES FROM THE PREVIOUS ITEM , TO ENSURE THIS IS THE CORRECT LOCATION FOR THIS

FEMA GRANT . >> SO, YOU WANT TO CONTINUE THIS

ONE UNTIL YOU DO YOUR RE-WORK? >> YES, SIR.

>> OKAY. WITH THAT BEING SAID I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING . I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION. I DON'T KNOW WHETHER TO ASK IT NOW OR MAYBE I WILL ASK LATER. OKAY. I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND WHAT THE STAFF IS , HAS JUST REQUESTED IS A CONTINUANCE OF THIS ITEM UNTIL THEY GET AN OPPORTUNITY TO NUMBER ONE, LOOK AT THE COMP PLAN AMENDMENT AND THEN SEE HOW THAT WOULD APPLY TO THE ZONING. SO, THIS WILL NOT COME UP TONIGHT, IF THE COMMISSION APPROVES TO CONTINUE UNTIL THE NEXT MEETING. BUT WE HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING AND YOU ARE MORE THAN WELCOME TO SPEAK ON IT TONIGHT OR YOU CAN SPEAK ON IT TONIGHT AND AT THE NEXT TIME IT COMES UP , WHATEVER YOU CHOOSE, BUT I WILL GO FOR THE CARDS AND WE WILL GO FROM THRE. THE FIRST CARD I HAVE IS MARILEE

MOORE . >>

>> OKAY, SORRY. PLEASE GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS . THE NEXT CARD HAVE AFTER THIS IS STEVEN JOHNSON.

>> I MARTY MOORE, 3058 BLACK CREEK DRIVE. IF YOU THINK I'M CONCERNED ABOUT , I WANT TO TOUCH ON, MICHAEL , I THINK MOST OF THEM ARE CONFUSED. I THINK THE REASON WHY THEY JUMPED IN ON THAT WAS BECAUSE I THINK THE COINCIDENCE OF THE ZONING CHANGE ALONG WITH THE BLACK CREEK PROPOSAL. BLACK CREEK DRIVE PARCEL, THINK THEY JUST KIND OF GOT , DID NOT EXPECT THAT AND SAME WITH ME. HOWEVER, MY CONCERNS ARE, ONE , MOST OF THE PEOPLE THAT ARE HERE ADDRESSING THIS ISSUE ARE FROM THE SIGN PASSED IT, WE ARE THE ONLY PEOPLE SEEING THE SIGN FOR THE ZONING AND BLACK CREEK DRIVE IS A LONG ROAD. .SIGN IS PLACED TO HER ONLY 20% CAN SEE IT AND WE ARE HERE AND I THINK WE NEED BETTER SIGNAGE AT THE BEGINNING OF BLACK CREEK DRIVE FOR THE NEXT MEETING. MY SECONDARY CONCERN, WHEN I MOVED HERE THAT PARCEL WAS OPEN , PEOPLE WERE GOING THERE, HANGING OUT. THE COUNTY HAS SINCE BLOCKED IT OFF WITH CHAINS BECAUSE THERE WERE PROBLEMS OF PEOPLE GOING DOWN THERE AND JUST HANGING OUT, PARTYING, ACTING ROWDY. SO, THE COUNTY CAME AND CHAINED OFF , NOW MY CONCERN IS THAT WE ARE OPENING THAT BACKUP AND NOT ONLY WILL IT BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC BUT IT WILL BE ON GOOGLE, SO MORE PEOPLE NOTICE IT. IT IS VERY RESIDENTIAL. I AM PAST IT AND I AM CONCERNED THE ROAD IS ALREADY MESSED UP, WE HAVE BEEN DEALING WITH THE COUNTY ROAD SITUATION BEING WASHBOARD WEEKLY

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I AM AFRAID THAT IT IS GOING TO BRING LESS OF THE KAYAKERS, YOU KNOW AND MORE OF THE PEOPLE THAT JUST WANT TO HANG OUT, YOU KNOW , I HAVE A PUBLIC SPACE TO JUST GO , BUT CREEK BOAT RAMP IS KIND THAT WAY, THOSE ARE MY CONCERNS. I THINK, YOU KNOW , I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW MORE ABOUT RESTROOMS, TRASH CANS, LIKE IF IT WERE TO PASS , I DON'T WANT THE PAST IS BASED ON IT WITH AN ISSUE AND THE COUNTY BLOCKED IT OFF AND NOW WE ARE OPENING A BACKUP AND TO ME I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. STEVEN JOHNSON AND BETTY JOHNSON . OR AND/OR .

>> IS THE BOSS IN THE LABOR , THE BOSSES BACK THERE. YOU KNOW, I'VE LIVED ON THIS PARTICULAR STREET ABOUT 30 YEARS. THREE DIFFERENT PLACES. IT IS A VERY NICE STREET. QUIET. EXCEPT FOR THE FOUR WHEELERS AND THE KIDS RUNNING AROUND, WE DEAL WITH THAT ON OUR OWN , WE DON'T NEED ANY MORE CHAOS. THAT PROPERTY HAS BEEN CHAOS, LIKE HE SAID, UNTIL HE PUT THE CHAIN. NOW YOU WANT TO ADD MORE TRAFFIC ON A ROAD THEY DO NOT TAKE CARE OF TO BEGIN WITH. THEY HAVE ATTEMPTED, ATTEMPTED, AND ATTEMPTED , ALL THEY DO IS BRUSH IT ASIDE. NOW YOU WANT TO BRING MORE TRAFFIC INTO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD . THAT IS PRETTY MUCH THE BOTTOM LINE , WE DO NOT NEED IT , NOT IN OUR AREA , IT IS NICE AND PEACEFUL, LEAVE

IT ALONE . THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, SIR. MAGGIE

HUTCHINSON . HIS PEGGY HERE ? >>

>> OKAY. I SEE. I APOLOGIZE. OKAY, NOW PATRICIA ROCK, YOU

HAVE BOTH CHECKED. >>

>> OKAY. JULIAN ROCK ? >> YES, MY NAME IS JULIAN ROCK, I LIVE IT 2986 BLACK CREEK DRIVE AND MY PROPERTY IS ABOUT FOUR LOTS FROM THE PROPOSED SITES TO BE RE-ZONED. WE HAVE LIVED AT HER CURRENT LOCATION A LITTLE OVER 35 YEARS. WE HAVE SEEN MANY FLOODS. THAT AREA, EVEN SMALL FLOODS CAN FLOOD ONTO THAT PROPERTY. WHERE WE LIVE I HAVE HAD CANOES STOLEN FOR MY PROPERTY , A FEW YEARS BACK , WE HAVE HAD PEOPLE THAT, HOMELESS PEOPLE THAT HAVE SET UP HOME ON THE CREEK AND WE ARE FEARFUL THAT IT WILL BRING DRUGS , THE SELLING OF DRUGS , HOMELESS TO THE AREA. AND THE TRAFFIC , SOMEBODY MENTIONED THIS, IT IS A DEAD-END STREET. IF THEY HAPPEN TO BE BRINGING A TRAILER, THERE IS NO WAY TO TURN AROUND ON A , ON THAT DEAD-END THAT I'M AWARE OF. BRINGING THE ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC ONTO THE ROAD IS ALREADY, LIKE SOMEBODY MENTIONED, IT IS IN BAD SHAPE.

BACK IN 1988 , BEFORE HE BOUGHT THE PROPERTY , MY WIFE , MY DAUGHTER AND MY YOUNG SON , WE PUT IN A CANOE AT HIGHWAY 16 AT BLACK CREEK. AND WE SET A CAR TO 18 IN CANUTE THE WHOLE THING BEFORE HE BOUGHT OUR PROPERTY. IF YOU WANTED TO BUILD A BOAT

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>> THANK YOU , MR. ROCK. EDNA BEDINGFIELD .

>> EDNA BEDINGFIELD, 3406 BLACK CREEK. EVERYTHING THAT I WAS GOING TO SAY , THEY ALREADY SAID. I HAVE ALL THE SAME CONCERNS. THE ROAD IS BAD OUT THERE AND THEY KEEP TELLING US THEY ARE GOING TO FIX IT, THEY'RE GOING TO FIX IT, THEY JUST KEEP THROWING US ANOTHER BONE AND WE PUT UP WITH IT. TO HAVE MORE TRAFFIC COME IN, THAT IS JUST GOING TO MAKE THE ROAD WORSE AND THE OTHER THING IS, BEFORE THEY PUT THAT CHAIN UP , THERE WAS A LOT OF UNSCRUPULOUS STUFF GOING ON DOWN THERE. SO, YOU KNOW, IT DOES AFFECT HER NEIGHBORHOOD AND SO , WHO WOULD MONITOR THAT? IS IT GOING TO BE OPEN DUSK TILL DAWN? WHO IS GOING TO POLICE THAT? WHEN THEY COME OUT OF THAT PARK OR WHATEVER YOU'RE GOING TO CALL IT, IF THEY MAKE THE RIGHT TO COME DOWN TO WHERE WE LIVE, WHICH THEY DO , I MEAN IT IS DARK BACK THERE, A LOT OF BAD THINGS HAPPEN IN THE DARK. I MEAN, THEY COME DOWN THERE WHETHER IT IS ON ATVS OR IN A CAR AND AT NIGHT THEY WILL RUN UP AND DOWN, BECAUSE THEY LIKE TO GO TO THE END, THE CUL-DE-SAC , AND THEY LIKE TO RACE TO SEE HOW FAST THEY CAN GET OUT OF THERE, I AM NERVOUS, CAN YOU TELL? SO, AND YOU KNOW, SOME YEARS AGO AN ATV CAME THROUGH THERE AT NIGHT AND TOOK OUT PART OF THE FENCE ON OUR PROPERTY. IT IS DARK BACK THERE, BAD THINGS HAPPEN IN THE DARK. THE OTHER THING IS THAT IF IT IS ONLY FIVE PARKING SPOTS DOWN THERE , WHAT IS GOING TO STOP OTHERS FROM COMING AND PARKING OUT ON THE ROAD? WHAT IS GOING TO STOP IT ONLY BEING FIVE CANOES? FIVE PARKING PLACES, THAT IS A FIVE ACRE PIECE OF PROPERTY , LOTS OF PEOPLE CAN GO IN THERE. SO, THAT IS ALL IT GOT TO SAY, THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU, MA'AM. ROBERT KOESTER, YOU VOTED AGAINST IT BUT YOU ARE WAIVING TO SPEAK, CORRECT? SHARON FRISBY .

>> I'VE LIVED THERE '78, I GOT MARRIED ON THE CREEK THERE.

>> NAME AND ADDRESS. >> SORRY, SHARON FRISBY, 2976 BLACK CREEK DRIVE. MY PROPERTY ADJOINS THIS PROPERTY , I AM VERY MUCH AGAINST US. I AM KIND OF THE ONE THAT HAD THE CHAIN PUT UP BECAUSE I CALLED THE LAW SEVERAL TIMES FOR PEOPLE COMING THAT LIVED ACROSS THE CREEK OR OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS, BECAME OVER THERE DOING BAD THINGS, WRONG THINGS AND I WOULD RUN THEM OFF.

I USED TO RUN THEM OFF ON MY BOW AND MADE HER THINK I OWN THE PROPERTY, THAT WORKS FOR A WHILE BUT THEY GOT RAN OFF QUITE A FEW TIMES , AND WE GOT ROB'S TOO, MY HUSBAND GOT A LOT OF TOOLS STOLE OUT OF HIS SHOP AND THEY CAME IN FROM THAT PROPERTY. TO EDUCATE YOU A BIT ABOUT THE PROPERTY REAL QUICK. THE PROPERTY, THE CREEK WHEN IT FLOODS AND IT CAN JUST FLOOD SOME, AND IT COMES THROUGH A DITCH THAT GOES INTO A POND THAT IS ON THIS FIVE ACRES. YOU GOT A BIG POND THERE YOU ARE DEALING WITH, WHAT HE CAN DO WITH IT? AND IT IS VERY NARROW. THIS PROPERTY IS ON A CURVE , THAT IS A CURVE RIGHT THERE. I THINK THAT IS BAD TOO. AND VERY MUCH ABOUT THE TRAFFIC, MY SON GOT HIT PULLING INTO BLACK CREEK DRIVE COMING FROM LAKE ASBURY, BECAUSE THAT IS ANOTHER BEEF I HAVE AND SOMETHING I WANT TO GO TO YOU GUYS ABOUT, GETTING A TURN LANE. WE'VE GOT THE PLACE, WHAT IS HER PLACE ON THE CORNER THERE? AMERICAN LEGION IS RIGHT ON THE CORNER, SO, YOU GOT TRAFFIC THERE AND YOU KNOW, CARS PARKED ON BOTH SIDE OF THE ROAD THERE AND AGAIN NO TURN LANE TO

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PARKING SPACES. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, MS. FRISBY. OKAY

DON RENSHAW . >> DON RENSHAW , 2994 BLACK CREEK DRIVE, SAME PLACE AS BEFORE OR AS WE LIKE TO CALL IT, NATURAL DISASTER ACRES . FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO THANK YOU GUYS, BECAUSE YOU EDUCATE MYSELF BEFORE I CAME HERE I WATCHED YOU ONLINE AND, I'M NOT SURE IF IT IS NO GOOD DEED GOES UNPUNISHED THAT MAKES YOU SERVE ON THIS BUT FOR WHATEVER IT IS, KUDOS. MOST OF THE PEOPLE OF COVERED ALL THE THINGS THAT SHOULD BE COVERED AND I THINK WHEN YOU GET RIGHT DOWN TO IT EVERYTHING I'VE WRITTEN HERE, THIS IS THE WRONG ZONING FOR THAT PROPERTY . ALL THE CONCERNS THAT ARE VOICED, PO 2 CAN BE PO 2, THAT CAN STAY LIKE IT IS. MOST OF THESE PEOPLE HERE , THE PEOPLE THE GOT FINALLY FLOODED OUT AND GAVE UP AND TURNED IT OVER TO FEMA AND YOU ALL CAME BY THAT PROPERTY, IT IS A NICE PIECE OF PROPERTY COULD BE UTILIZED BUT A BOAT RAMP IS NOT IT. THAT IS BASICALLY WHERE I WOULD LEAVE IT. AND A GOOD CHANCE TO MEET MY

NEIGHBORS AGAIN. >> THANK YOU, SIR. KATHLEEN

MADUET\ . >> I AM CATHERINE MADUET -- TO COME TO THIS MEETING PROBABLY ARMED MORE THAN THE COMMON CITIZEN BECAUSE I WORK IN A PROFESSION WHERE YOU KNOW ABOUT CRIME AND THE PUBLIC ACCESS BRINGS. I'M EMPLOYED BY THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE AND I HAVE BEEN FOR QUITE A LONG TIME. WE

RESPOND TO BOAT RAMPS. >> CAN YOU PULL THE MICROPHONE DOWN TO A LITTLE BIT? THANK YOU.

>> WE RESPONSE TO BOAT RAMPS REGULARLY , IF IT IS NOT HOMELESS BUT IS INTOXICATED PERSONS, BURGLARY TO VEHICLES , DISORDERLY SUBJECTS. WHEN YOU OPEN UP PUBLIC ACCESS TO A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD, THERE ARE RESIDENTS ON EITHER SIDE OF THIS PROPERTY. DO YOU WANT YOUR NEXT-DOOR NEIGHBOR TO BE A BOAT RAMP? YOU MEISEL PUT A KANGAROO IN THE BACKYARD, YOU KNOW? NONETHELESS . I HAVE SEEN THE PROBLEMS THESE CAN BRING. I'M CONCERNED, I HAVE CHILDREN , A LOT OF MY NEIGHBORS HAVE CHILDREN THAT WALK THIS ROAD, ON THAT CURVE , GOING BACK AND FORTH TO THE BUS STOP THAT IS IT BECKY AND BLACK CREEK DRIVE.

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THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >> THANK YOU, MA'AM. CASSANDRA RICE .

>> CASSANDRA RICE, 2990 BLACK CREEK DRIVE. FIRST OF ALL, NO ONE HAS THOUGHT ABOUT THE WILDLIFE HERE. WE HAVE A BEAR IN YOUR AREA , WHAT A SIGHT FOR ME TO SEE BEING FROM MICHIGAN. I HAVE NEVER SEEN A BEAR UP CLOSE BEFORE BUT I GOT TO ONE BLACK CREEK. I GOT TO HELP CLEAR THE CREEK AFTER IRMA . I GOT TO SAVE A MAN'S LIFE OFF THAT CREEK, I GOT TO HELP ARREST THE GENTLEMAN THAT WAS PARTYING DOWN AT THAT LITTLE COUNTY AREA AND ROBBING ALL OF MY NEIGHBORS. ONE BEING A WOMAN WHEN HER HUSBAND WAS ON DEPLOYMENT. I SUFFER FROM EXTREME PTSD. I BOUGHT THIS LAND TO HAVE NATURE , FREE THERAPY , BECAUSE IT IS NEVER GOING TO GET BETTER IN MY HEAD. YOU KNOW, EVEN DONATE MY TIME AT THE AMERICAN LEGION. YEAH, WE DO A LOT OF BUSINESS THERE, WE SERVE A LOT OF PEOPLE AND THE ROADS KIND OF GET PLUGGED UP BUT EVERYBODY SEEMS TO DO WELL BECAUSE THEY KNOW IT IS FOR VETERANS. WE STAND STUFF LIKE THAT BECAUSE IT IS FOR OUR COMMUNITY. I'VE ENDLESSLY, ENDLESSLY TAKEN TURTLES ACROSS THE ROAD. THEY CANNOT TAKE CARE THE COUNTY LAND THERE, THEY RAN THEM OVER, IT BROKE MY HEART. MY BOYFRIEND GOT RUN OFF THE ROAD TWO WEEKS AGO BY SOMEBODY BEING LIKE VIN DIESEL AROUND THOSE CURVES AND WE SUFFER THAT ALL THE TIME, I WOULD LIKE ANY OF YOU TO DRIVE DOWN BLACK CREEK AT NIGHT, IT IS PITCH BLACK, YOU CANNOT SEE, YOU CANNOT SEE. THE LANES ARE SMALL. YOU BRING ANY MORE TRAFFIC IN THERE AND YOU DESTROY NATURE AND YOU HAVE GIVEN SUCH A SMALL PIECE OF THE WORLD, I WOULD HATE TO SEE IT GO. I WOULD LEAVE THE AREA IF IT CAME BECAUSE I CANNOT EVEN GO DOWN TO THE BOAT DOCK, THE WAY I AM, IT IS NOT SAFE , YOU KNOW , I'M GETTING READY TO BUILD MY HOUSE, A DREAM I'VE HAD SINCE THE KID. AND IT IS ALL GOING TO BE DIFFERENT IF THAT BOAT DOCK COMES IN, A BOARD WHAT? I SEE WHAT HAPPENS AT THE BOARDWALK AND THAT IS WHY DON'T GO THERE. I TAKE THIS LITTLE PIECE OF LAND, THE STRIPED BASS COME IN, THEY ARE IN RIGHT NOW, THAT IS A BEAUTIFUL THING FOR LOCALS. WE ALL GET OUT THERE AND FISH. HOW IN THE WORLD CAN YOU TAKE SOMETHING THAT STAND AND PUT SOMETHING LIKE THAT THERE? THEY WILL ALL COME MY WAY , WHERE THE

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MAILBOXES. I'M OPPOSED. >> THANK YOU. JAMES CHAMPION.

>> JAMES CHAMPION, 4051 HOLLAND BARRY ROAD. I LIVE AT THE PROPERTY DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM THERE WHERE THAT LITTLE RAMP IS AND I'VE BEEN THERE FOR A LITTLE OVER 10 YEARS, I REMEMBER WHEN THE HOUSE THAT WAS THERE BEFORE GOT FLOODED AND THEY TORE DOWN. I BET THAT READY RIGHT THERE -- PEOPLE WERE OVER THERE DOING DONUTS AND STUFF AFTER THEY TORE THE HOUSE DOWN , I HAVE SEEN YOU WILL BRING IN JET SKIS ON THAT LITTLE RAMP, I'VE SEEN WILL BRING IN JOHN BOATS ON THAT RAMP. I HAVE SEEN PEOPLE BACK THERE DOING STUFF THAT ADULTS DO, YOU KNOW, AND BECAUSE I LIVE RIGHT ACROSS THERE I HAVE GOT UP THERE MYSELF, ME AND MY SON , WE HAVE CLEANED STUMPS, TREES AND EVERYTHING OUT OF THAT WATER RIGHT THERE AND I HAVE HAD A BOAT STOLEN. WHEN I WAS BUILDING MY DOG I HAD MY DOC WOOD STOLEN, I'VE HAD SHARES AND STUFF STOLEN PEOPLE COME UP ON MY PROPERTY AND USE THE BATHROOM AND DO WHATEVER. WHEN YOU START PUTTING PEOPLE ON THIS FIVE-ACRE PIECE OF LAND THAT YOU ARE SAYING YOU ARE ONLY GOING TO MAKE FIVE PARKING SPOTS FOR, AND YOU GOT ALL THESE JOKERS RUNNING AROUND IN THEIR TRUCKS, SQUATTING LIKE THIS LIKE THEY ARE TAKING A DUMP IN DOING DONUTS AND STUFF AND TEARING OF THE PROPERTY, YOU ARE NOT MAKING NOTHING SAFE FOR NOBODY AND THEN WHEN THE THIEVING, THE DRUGS AND ALL THIS AND THE OTHER, NOTHING WILL BE SAFE FOR US. AND IT IS YOUR JOB AS PLANNERS AND THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS ABOVE YOU ALL, TO PROTECT US THAT LIVE THERE, INSTEAD OF BRINGING PEOPLE IN THAT DO NOT LIVE THERE THAT WILL DESTROY OUR PROPERTY. WE PAY TAXES ON THAT PROPERTY AROUND IT AND WITH A LOT MORE TAXES THAN YOU EVER WILL BE COMING DOWN THERE TO USE, TO PUT A KAYAK IN. THERE ARE MANY PLACES ON BLACK CREEK THAT YOU CAN PUT A KAYAK IN. I MEAN, THERE ARE MANY PLACES LIKE THE GENTLEMAN BACK THERE SAID, PUT A KAYAK IN AT 16 AND GET OFF AT 218 , THERE ARE PLENTY OF PARKING ON BOTH ENDS AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO DISRUPT THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND YOU DON'T GOT TO WORRY ABOUT PEOPLE COMING OVER AND TEARING UP THE PROPERTY AND THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES AND STUFF LIKE THAT. I AM A DISABLED VETERAN, ALSO, I DON'T NEED THAT COMING UP ON MY PROPERTY, DISTURBING ME EITHER. I DON'T HAVE TIME FOR THAT AND STUDIES OF THE PEOPLE HAVE TIME FOR THAT AND WE DON'T HAVE TIME FOR PEOPLE TO BE TEARING UP OUR PROPERTY. OUT THERE IN THEIR WAY OF FUN , BEING, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO PUT IN JET SKIS, JOHN BOATS , WHO IS TO SAY THEY WILL NOT TRY TO PUT A BASS BOAT IN THERE. IT IS 25 FEET WIDE ACROSS THERE.

WHO IS TO SAY YOU ALL SAY FIVE CAR LOTS TODAY , AS I SAID EARLIER, CHANGE THE CODE DOWN THE ROAD AND THERE WILL BE 25 PARKING . THANK YOU, YOU'LL HAVE A GOOD DAY.

>> THANK YOU, SIR. ERIKA LEE. >> ERIKA LEE AND I REPRESENT MY GRANDPARENTS AT 2966 BLACK CREEK DRIVE. THE -- HAVE LIVED -- SINCE THE 1980S AND I'M HERE TO EXPRESS STRONG OPPOSITION TO THE OPPOSED REZONING OF AN AGRICULTURAL RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY TO THE PUBLIC OWNERSHIP FOR NON-MOTORIZED BOAT LAUNCHES.

OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IS A QUIET, FAMILY ORIENTED COMMUNITY. THE PROPOSED LAUNCH SITE IS LOCATED DIRECTLY BETWEEN PRIVATE HOMES, ONE OF WHICH IS MY GRANDMOTHER'S , ON A NARROW DIRT ROAD NOT BUILT FOR PUBLIC TRAFFIC. TURNING THIS INTO A PUBLIC ACCESS POINT WOULD BRING MAJOR DISRUPTIONS TO OUR WAY OF

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LIKE MR. DAVIS SAID, HOW ARE WE GOING TO CONTROL AND MONITOR THIS PROPERTY WITH PUBLIC ACCESS? OUR MAIN CONCERNS ARE DECLINE IN PROPERTY VALUE, TURNING A QUIET, RESIDENTIAL LOT INTO A PUBLIC ACCESS POINT LOWER THE PROPERTY VALUES, HOMEBUYERS FOR NEIGHBORHOODS LIKE THIS SEEK OUT PEACE, PRIVACY, SAFETY AND THESE QUALITIES WILL BE LOST WITH INCREASED PUBLIC USE, NOISE AND TRAFFIC . LIKE MR. -- SAID, WE WANT WATER ACCESS IN OUR COMMUNITY THAT WE WANT IT WHERE IT MAKES SENSE. THIS LAW DOES NOT MAKE SENSE. SAFETY AND SECURITY RISKS LIKE HAVE BEEN SAID, YOU MAY AS WELL PUT NEEDLE DISPENSERS, THEY WILL NOT USE IT FOR THE RIGHT REASONS . WITH NO ON-SITE STAFF OR LAW ENFORCEMENT THERE REGULARLY IT COULD BECOME A MAGNET FOR LOITERING, LATE AT GATHERINGS, CRIMINAL ACTIVITY, THINGS GOING ON AT ALL HOURS.

TRESPASSING ON PRIVATE PROPERTY, THE BOAT LAUNCH WOULD SURROUND PRIVATE HOMES, PRIVATE DOCKS . WHO WILL KEEP THEM OFF OUR DOCK? WE HAVE HAD BOAT STOLEN , PARTIES, DRUG USE , DO YOU WANT HER TO KICK THEM OUT AT 80 YEARS OLD? NOBODY CAN BE THERE 24 SEVEN MONITORING IT, EXCEPT FOR RETIRED VETS. WE HAVE ALREADY STOPPED THESE PEOPLE ON HER OWN. IT WILL ATTRACT HOMELESS ENCAMPMENTS. THE LANGUAGE THAT WAS PROPOSED AS A BOARDWALK DOES NOT SOUND LIKE A GOOD IDEA , IT WILL BE A PUBLIC, UNSUPERVISED SPACE IN THE WAS DOWN A DIRT ROAD. THE TRAFFIC AND NOISE, IT IS A NARROW DIRT ROAD NOT BUILT FOR PUBLIC ACCESS , THE INTERSECTION IS ALREADY A MESS, LIKE MS. FRISBY SAID, ACCIDENTS, IT IS ALREADY HARD TO GET IN AND OUT OF BLACK CREEK DRIVE. THE INCREASED CURRENT FOOT TRAFFIC MAKES IT DANGEROUS CONDITIONS.

KIDS GOING TO THE BUSES. LACK OF TRASH, MAINTENANCE AND PLANNING, THERE IS NO GOOD WAY, IF YOU PUT BATHROOMS, DRUG USE , OTHER ACTIVITIES, YOU DON'T PUT BATHROOMS WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH TRASH CANS, IT IS GOING TO BE A MESS. EITHER WAY IT IS LIKE, YOU ARE SCREWED IF YOU DO IT'S GOOD IF YOU DO NOT. BLACK CREEK DRIVE IS NOT A PUBLIC PARK, A QUIET RESIDENTIAL STREET THAT HAS BEEN SAFE AND FAMILY FAMILY FOR DECADES. THIS RE-ZONING PROPOSAL THREATENS TO TURN INTO SOMETHING ENTIRELY DIFFERENT. WITHOUT A CLEAR PLAN FOR HOW SAFETY ENFORCEMENT AND MAINTENANCE WILL BE HANDLED, THEN WE ARE TOTALLY NOT FOR IT. WE ASK YOU, WOULD YOU WANT A PUBLIC LAUNCH OPEN 24 SEVEN BETWEEN YOUR HOME AND YOUR NEIGHBORS HOME ? IS THAT SOMETHING YOU WOULD WANT THAT CLOSE TO YOU? WE DO NOT WANT THAT CLOSE TO US. AND I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT WE ARE NOT CONFUSED , WE FIGHT MISCONCEPTION EVERYDAY , I AM FROM MIDDLEBURG, BORN AND RAISED, I FIGHT MISCONCEPTION EVERYDAY. WE ARE NOT CONFUSED.

WE KNOW THAT THREE WAS CREATED FOR FOUR. I GO TO WORK EVERY DAY MIDDLEBURG HIGH SCHOOL AND I MAKE SURE THOSE KIDS KNOW THEY ARE NO LESS THAN FOR GOING TO SCHOOL MIDDLEBURG HIGH SCHOOL, OR BEING FROM MIDDLEBURG, FLORIDA WE ARE NOT LESS THAN. WE ARE EDUCATED AND WE KNOW WE ARE TALKING ABOUT.

>> THANK YOU . JAMES HUTCHINSON. JAMES HUTCHINSON .

>> I'M JAMES HUTCHINSON, I LIVE AT 2985 BLACK CREEK DRIVE , I'VE LIVED THERE SINCE '83. I AM UNLUCKY ENOUGH THAT I LIVE ACROSS FROM ALL OF THIS MESS. I'VE GOT 1300 FEET OF ROAD FRONTAGE AND I'VE BEEN PICKING UP THE TRASH ON THAT SINCE ABOUT 1985, WHEN THE GENTLEMAN THAT WAS DOING IT COULD NOT DO IT ANYMORE AND I CAN IMAGINE THAT IS GOING TO GIVE ME MORE EXERCISE. I WANT TO SAY SOMETHING ABOUT THE GOPHERS AND TORTOISES DOWN THERE, I'VE GOT PROBABLY 12 ON MY SIDE OF THE ROAD. YOU GUYS CAME DOWN THERE WHEN YOU FIRST CAME DOWN THERE AND FLAGGED THE GOPHER/TORTOISE HOLES AND IF I REMEMBER

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>> THANK YOU, SIR. KAYLA GILMORE.

>> KAYLA GILMORE, 3058 BLACK CREEK DRIVE. I AM COMPLETELY OPPOSED TO THIS BOAT RAMP. AND THE BOARDWALK. IF YOU GO TO MIDDLEBURG BOAT RAMP IT IS ALREADY NOT BEING MAINTAINED.

THE BOARDWALK THERE IS ALMOST COMPLETELY IMPASSABLE DUE TO ALGAE ON IT , TREES CONSTANTLY FALLING ON IT. YOU LOOK OVER THE EDGE AND IT IS DISGUSTING. THERE IS NOTHING BUT TRASH IN THE WATERWAYS. THEY PUT IN A PADDLEBOARD RENTAL THERE AND WITHIN A MONTH ON THE PADDLE BOARDS WERE GONE AND TRASHED IN THE CREEK AND THAT IS ONLY FIVE MINUTES AWAY FROM THE LOCATION YOU ARE CURRENTLY LOOKING AT. IF WE ARE ALREADY HAVING TROUBLE MONITORING AND UP KEEPING A DIFFERENT COUNTY PROPERTY, WHY WOULD WE DO THAT HERE ? WHEN WE CANNOT MAINTAIN WHAT IS ALREADY COUNTY OWNED ? THE NEXT THING IS, LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE HAS MENTIONED IS THAT THE CREEK A SMALL BACK THERE. WHAT HAPPENS IF THERE IS A MEDICAL EMERGENCY ON THE WATER AND THE SHERIFF BOTH CANNOT GET BACK THERE BECAUSE IT IS SO NARROW BACK THERE? IF YOU ARE DOING A KAYAK LAUNCH WOULD NOT MAKE SENSE ESPECIALLY WITH THE ALLIGATORS AND THE WILDLIFE THAT YOU WANT ACCESS FOR MEDICAL EMERGENCY TO GET BACK THERE, ON THE WATER? WHICH IT IS PROBABLY NOT POSSIBLE ON THE WATER WITHOUT DOING SOME KIND OF DREDGING OR SOMETHING ON THE CREEK . I MOVED INTO THIS NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE I FELT IT WAS A SAFE PLACE FOR MY CHILD. WE LEARN TO ALL OF OUR NEIGHBORS WERE. WE KNOW THE MAJORITY OF THE CARS THAT GO DOWN THE STREET, IT IS A DEAD END STREET, YOU KNOW AND THERE IS SOMEBODY THAT IS THERE THAT IS SUPPOSED TO BE OR WHEN THEY ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE THERE.

WHEN YOU BRING SOME LIKE THIS INTO A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD, I DON'T WANT TO LIVE AMONGST STRANGERS, I DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO GUESS AT THIS PERSON IS A GOOD PERSON OR A BAD PERSON IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD , I DON'T WANT TO BE UNCOMFORTABLE IN MY FRONT YARD. AND I THINK THAT IS WHAT THIS WILL BRING TO THE COMMUNITY , SO, I AM VERY OPPOSED TO THIS, THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU, MA'AM. I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER CARDS, IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS AGENDA ITEM?

>>

PLEASE. >> NATURAL DISASTER ACRES , BY YOUR OWN ZONING REGULATIONS IT WOULD BE ILLEGAL TO PUT THAT IN

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>> THANK YOU, SIR. WE NEED TO CLOSE THIS UP.

>> I JUST WANT TO MENTION ONE THING. WE'LL HAVE RETENTION PONDS ON OUR PROPERTY , WHEN THE FLOODS COME IT PUSHES THOSE IN OUR DRIVEWAYS AND A FLOOD. HOW WOULD THAT WORK? WHERE THEY ARE PROPOSING TO PUT THE PARKING LOT, THAT IS FLOOD LAND , THAT IS WHERE THE RETENTION PONDS ARE , WOULD THAT SCREWUP THE LAY OF THE LAND? THAT IS ALL HE WAS CONCERNED ABOUT.

>> I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND BACK TO THE COMMISSION FOR DISCUSSION. AND/OR A MOTION.

>> MR. CHAIR, I WILL MAKE THE MOTION BUT I HAVE SOME COMMENTS.

SINCE STAFF IS ASKED TO CONTINUE THIS I WILL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE CONTINUE IT UNTIL WHEN? IN JULY?

>>

>> WE CONTINUE THIS ITEM UNTIL THE AUGUST MEETING OR SOON THERE

AFTER AS IT CAN BE HEARD. >> SECOND.

>> I HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR AND A SECOND, ANY DISCUSSION?

>> I DO. I THINK THERE ARE A LOT OF COMMENTS . I WANT TO HAD A COUPLE THAT I HEARD IN THE PUBLIC COMMENT , ONE WAS ABOUT THE ZONING SIGN. WE HAVE AN ORDINANCE THAT CONTROLS WERE THE ZONING SIGN GO. THEY GO ON THE PROPERTY FACING THE ROAD, ANYBODY THAT LIVES WITHIN, 350 FEET NOW IS IT? 350 FEET OF THE PROPERTY WILL GET A LETTER ROM THE COUNTY , BEYOND THAT IT IS REALLY UP TO YOU TO BE INFORMED. THIS STUFF GETS POSTED ON THE COUNTY WEBSITE , IF AS A NEIGHBORHOOD YOU WANT TO PUT A SIGN UP ON THE ROAD, GO RIGHT AHEAD BUT IT IS NOT THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE COUNTY. WE HAVE AN ORDINANCE THAT WE FOLLOW VERY CAREFULLY BECAUSE IF WE DO NOT FOLLOW THE ORDINANCE IT HAS TO DO WITH THINGS BEING ADVERTISED, WHERE THE SIGNS GO, ET CETERA. BE AWARE OF THAT . THERE IS ALSO , I KNOW A CAC, A CITIZENS ADVISORY COMMITTEE FOR LAKE ASBURY, RIGHT? THEY HEARD THIS , WHICH MEANS THEY HAD A PUBLIC MEETING THAT WAS ADVERTISED TO HEAR THIS ISSUE AND THEY ARE A NINE-MEMBER COMMITTEE THAT REPRESENTS THE LAKE ASBURY AREA , THE MASTER

PLAN AREA . >>

>> AT THIS IS NOT A DISCUSSION. BUT THIS IS PART OF THE LAKE ASBURY PLANNING DISTRICT. THAT IS WHAT MATTERS. KNOW WHETHER IT IS PART OF WHAT YOU CONSIDER LAKE ASBURY, THEIR WITHIN THE CS FALLS WITHIN LAKE ASBURY PLANNING DISTRICT. THEY HAVE A CAC THAT ADVISES US ON WHAT TO DO WITH THESE. JUST LIKE WE ADVISE THE COUNTY COMMISSION. NOW, THE CAC LOOK AT THIS AND THEY WERE VERY SUPPORTIVE OF IT BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THEY HEARD ANY OF THE STUFF THAT WE HEARD TONIGHT. SO, THAT IS SOMETHING AND IF YOU DO NOT KNOW ABOUT THE CAC OR HOW TO GET A HOLD OF THEM OR BE A PART OF IT OR WHATEVER , CONTACT SOME OF THE PLANNING STAFF, THEY HAVE ALL OF THAT INFORMATION. AND I WANTED TO ASK YOU, MS. BRYLA, THE COUNTY OWNS THIS PROPERTY,

CORRECT? >> THAT IS CORRECT.

>> WE GOT IT BECAUSE FEMA BOUGHT OUT THE PROPERTY OWNERS BECAUSE OF EXCESSIVE FLOODING? IS THAT RIGHT?

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>> WE GOT IT THROUGH A GRANT BECAUSE THE PROPERTY WAS A

REPETITIVE LOSS PROPERTY. >> TEAM OFFERED TO BUY THEM OUT

? >> SO, THE COUNTY PURCHASED THE PROPERTY TO THAT GRANT, YES, SIR.

>> OKAY. SO , IT IS COUNTY OWNED AT THIS POINT, I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT. BLACK CREEK DOES FLOOD , NO DOUBT ABOUT IT. IT FLOODS A LOT AND IT FLOODED REALLY BAD DURING IRMA BUT ANYTHING THAT WOULD BE PUT THERE FOR RECREATION WOULD PROBABLY GET FLOODED AND DRY OUT, JUST LIKE OTHER BOAT RAMPS. I'M NOT SURE THIS IS A GOOD LOCATION FOR THIS FROM WHAT I'M HEARING , I MEAN IT IS DOWN A DIRT ROAD AND KIND OF OUT THERE. I AM A STRONG PROPONENT OF PUBLIC WATER ACCESS , ANYTIME THE COUNTY CAN GIVE WATER ACCESS WE SHOULD LOOK AT T, BUT AGAIN IT NEEDS TO BE APPROPRIATE AND I'M NOT SURE THIS SITE IS REALLY APPROPRIATE.

THAT IS KIND OF THE POINT THAT I HEARD DURING SOME OF THE DISCUSSION THAT I WANTED TO MENTION AND IT IS NOT COMPARABLE BUT IN EAGLE HARBOR , ON LAKESHORE DRIVE , THERE IS A BOAT RAMP WITH A WHOLE LOT MORE THAN FIVE PARKING SPACES THAT HAS HOUSES ON BOTH SIDES OF IT. PROBABLY THE BIG DIFFERENCE WITH THE ONE ON LAKESHORE IS THAT NUMBER ONE IT IS ON A PAVED ROAD AND NUMBER TWO THE BOAT RAMP WAS THERE BEFORE THE HOUSES WERE.

PEOPLE WHO MOVE THERE KNEW THE BOAT RAMP WOULD BE THERE. IT IS NOT REALLY COMPARABLE BUT WE DO HAVE PLACES WHERE WE DO HAVE COEXISTENCE OF PUBLIC -- IN RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS , IF IT LOOKS LIKE IT IS APPROPRIATE. I THINK STAFF WILL TAKE TO HEART ALL THE COMMENTS THAT WE HEARD TONIGHT AS THEY RE-EVALUATE

THIS. THAT IS ALL I HAVE TO SAY. >> ANY OTHER COMMENTS?

>> I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER --. I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO ASK , IF THE COUNTY OWNS THIS ARE THERE ANY PLANS BESIDES IT HAS BEEN

PROPOSED? >> NOT TO MY KNOWLEDGE, SIR. I JUST KNOW THAT WE, IN WORKING WITH ST. JOHN'S THAT THEY WERE GOING TO CONSTRUCT WHATEVER FACILITIES WERE GOING TO BE ON THIS PROPERTY. SO, IT WOULD NOT COST THE COUNTY ANYTHING, BUT I

DON'T KNOW. >> WHEN YOU SAY ST. JOHN'S IN

THE WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT? >> YES, SIR, NOT ST. JOHN'S

COUNTY, I APOLOGIZE. >> FOR THE RESIDENCE TO THE POINT THAT WAS BROUGHT UP AND THE CAC FOR LAKE ASBURY, IF YOU HAVE NOT TALKED TO THEM , I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO GO TALK TO THEM BUT AT THE SAME TIME I WOULD ASK A SIMPLE QUESTION, IF THE COUNTY OWNS THIS LAND , THEY ARE LOOKING FOR IDEAS ON HOW TO USE IT, SO, I WOULD TURN TO THE GROUP AND SAY, WHAT DO YOU THINK SHOULD BE DONE WITH IT? HOLD ON .

>> FOR THE GROUP TO CONSIDER TO COME FORWARD WITH IDEAS, ALL RIGHT? BECAUSE YOU, ESPECIALLY LIVING RIGHT NEXT TO IT HAVE THE MOST AT STAKE WITH THIS. ALL RIGHT. AT THE SAME TIME BECAUSE YOU ARE PART OF THE LAKE ASBURY PLANNING DISTRICT, THEY HAVE A STAKE IN THIS TOO AND WHAT WE WANTED HERE IS WHAT IS BEST FOR THE COUNTY AND WHAT DO YOU ALL THINK, RIGHT? I WILL LEAVE IT AT

THAT. THANK YOU. >> I JUST WANT TO ECHO THOSE REMARKS AND LISTENING TO WHAT THE PEOPLE SAID, I'M NOT THAT FAMILIAR WITH THE ROAD, I LIVE IN MIDDLEBURG AND I KNOW THE AREA AND THE CREEK, MY BROTHER LIVES ON THE OTHER SIDE OFF OF HALL BARRY ROAD THE CREEK IS UP AND DOWN, PASSABLE AND NOT PASSABLE. THE IDEA THAT IT WOULD BE, FOR MOTORIZED BOATS, THAT IS NOT EVEN POSSIBLE. BUT THE COUNTY HAS GOT THIS PROGRAM NOW WHERE THEY ARE BUYING CONSERVATION LAND AND HERE IS SOME LAND THAT THEY HAVE THROUGH THIS GRANT PROGRAM, YOU KNOW, I WOULD RECOMMEND THEY TURN IT INTO CONSERVATION LAND , GET THE IDEA AND WHOLEHEARTEDLY SUPPORT THE IDEA OF PUBLIC ACCESS TO THE WATER BUT THE IDEA OF THE -- BUT LANDING WAS THERE A LONG TIME BEFORE EAGLE HARBOR CAME ALONG AND THIS PLACE IS A WELL-DEVELOPED, NOT WELL-DEVELOPED, WELL-ESTABLISHED RESIDENTIAL AREA AND ADJUST THE FACT THAT THIS GUY GOT FLOODED OUT MULTIPLE TIMES IN THE COUNTY ENDED UP WITH LAND DOES NOT MEAN IT IS A GREAT PLACE FOR A BOAT RAMP. JUST, YOU KNOW, THEY SAY THE BEGINNING OF EVERY MEETING, OR HOW MANY OF YOU HAVE EVER

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ANYWAY. THAT IS IT. >> I'VE GOT ONE COMMENT , I GOT A QUESTION. MY COMMENT IS , I THINK THIS IS THE WRONG PLACE FOR THIS, JUST TO PUT IT IN A NUTSHELL. IT IS NOT ACCESSIBLE EASILY. AND IF IT IS THEN IT IS , IT CAUSES AN UNDUE BURDEN ON THE RESIDENCE. HAVE A QUESTION FOR LEGAL AND THAT IS IF WE ACQUIRED THIS THROUGH A FEMA GRANT ARE THERE ANY HOOKS OR BARBS OR STIPULATIONS ON THE GRANT THAT WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING WITH THIS LAND? OR CAN WE JUST DESIGNATED AS A

PRESERVE, THAT IS SUITABLE? >> THERE ARE GRANT RESTRICTIONS TIED TO THE PROPERTY AS TO WHAT CAN BE DONE WITH IT. IT HAS TO BE USED FOR RECREATION AND PASSIVE RECREATION.

>> SO, WE DESIGNATED AS A PRESERVE THAT IS CONSIDERED

PASSIVE RECREATION? >> YES.

>> I GOT A QUESTION. JUST WANT TO CLARIFY, DOES IT HAVE TO BE PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE? I THINK THE QUESTION WAS, CAN WE DESIGNATED

AND LEAVE IT ALONE? >> YES, THAT WOULD BE UP TO THE

BOARD. >> THANK YOU.

>> I GO BACK TO THE GROUP , JUST LIKE I SAID, WHAT IS YOUR INPUT? LET US KNOW BUT GATHER UP WITH EVERYBODY AND COME FORWARD WITH A UNIFIED POSITION IS MY RECOMMENDATION. THAT IS ALL.

>> MY COMMENT TO THE AUDIENCES THAT THIS IS NOT A DONE DEAL. IN OTHER WORDS, STAFF CAN WORK THIS AGAIN, PAY ATTENTION TO THE SIGNS OF THE COMES UP AGAIN TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION THEY WILL HAVE TO RE-POST THE SIGN, SO, COME TO THE MEETING, BRING YOUR COMMENTS, BRING YOUR NEIGHBORS AND SHARE YOUR THOUGHTS OR WHATEVER. AS FAR AS THE CAC GOES, IF IT GOES BACK TO THE CAC, WHICH IT PROBABLY SHOULD , THEN FIND OUT WHO YOUR CAC CHAIRPERSON IS AND FIND OUT WHEN THEY ARE GOING TO HEAR THIS AND SHARE YOUR THOUGHTS WITH THEM . THIS IS AN ADVISORY COMMITTEE AND WAS DESIGNED SPECIFICALLY TO GATHER COMMENTS ON WHATEVER THE RESIDENCE IN THE PLANNING DISTRICTS IN ORDER TO SHARE THEM WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION AS WELL AS YOUR

COUNTY COMMISSIONER. OKAY. >>

>> I THINK I MADE THAT. DO NOT SHOOT THE MESSENGER. WE ARE TRYING VERY HARD TO PAY ATTENTION TO YOUR COMMENTS AND WE WILL ADVISE ACCORDINGLY BUT IT HAS TO GO THROUGH THE

PROCESS. >> ONE MORE COMMENT I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE TO THE AUDIENCE, IF I MIGHT. I DON'T KNOW IF EVERYBODY HERE IS AWARE THAT -- COUNTY HAS A WEBSITE WHICH IS ACTUALLY A PRETTY GOOD WEBSITE, IT HAS A LOT OF INFORMATION ON IT GREAT ESPECIALLY AROUND LAND PLANNING AND A WHOLE BUNCH OF THINGS , IT IS ALL ON THAT COUNTY WEBSITE. IF YOU DON'T KNOW THE WEBSITE YOU SHOULD VISIT IT. WHEN YOU FIRST LOG ONTO IT YOU GET THE OPPORTUNITY TO GIVE YOUR EMAIL ADDRESS AND I'VE DONE THAT AND I GET AT LEAST ONE, SOMETIMES SEVERAL EMAILS A WEEK FROM THE COUNTY. A LOT OF IS WHAT YOU MAY CONSIDER MUNDANE IN WHAT ROSA CAN BE CLOSED, THE CONSTRUCTION BUT IT KEEPS A LITTLE BIT OF INFORMATION THERE AND THE WEBSITE IS KIND OF AN ODD NAME, IT IS CLAYCOUNTYGOV.COM , CLAYCOUNTYGOV.COM , CHECK IT OUT.

>> CALL FOR A VOTE. ALL IN FAVOR TO CONTINUE THIS TILL AUGUST ARE

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SOON THERE AFTER SAY AYE. >> AYE.

>> AYE. THOSE OPPOSED? OKAY, THE MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH FOR COMING. WE HAVE ONE MORE AGENDA ITEM.

>>

>> IT IS POSTED ON THE WEBSITE, SIR. WE DON'T PUT SIGNS UP.

>> THAT PURPLE AREA ON THAT MAP THAN WE MAIL OUT NOTICE.

>>

>> I'M HAPPY TO TALK TO AFTER THE MEETING, THIS IS STILL A PUBLIC HEARING. WE HAVE OTHER CASES.

>> WE NEED TO CONTINUE WITH OUR AGENDA.

>>

>> OKAY, THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA --

>>

OUT -- >> PLEASE, LEAVE THE CHAMBERS, PLEASE.

[6.  Public Hearing to consider COMP 25-0010 and ZON 25-0007 (District 5, Comm Burke) (Jenni Bryla)]

>> OKAY, THE LAST AGENDA ITEM UNLESS I TOTALLY SCREWED THIS UP

IS ZONING 25 007. >> YES, SIR. SO, THIS IS COMP PLAN 25 -009 AND THE COMPANION REZONING FOR ZONING 25-007, IF I CAN GET MY FILES TOGETHER. THIS IS NOT CORRECT . WE JUST HAVE BEEN HAVING A LITTLE BIT OF AN ISSUE WITH THE POWERPOINT , IF YOU WILL GIVE ME A MOMENT . IF WE COULD TAKE JUST A TWO MINUTE BREAK, I WOULD APPRECIATE THAT.

>> YOU GOT IT. WHILE WE HAVE A TWO MINUTE BREAK I WOULD LIKE TO REMIND THE COMMISSIONERS OF YOUR DUTY , DO NOT FORGET TO FILE YOUR FINANCIAL DISCLOSURE BY JULY YOU HAVE NOT ALREADY DONE

SO. >> JULY 1ST IS THE DEADLINE.

EVERY YEAR. >> EVERY YEAR.

>> SHOULD'VE GOTTEN AN EMAIL, REMINDING YOU. FROM THE COUNTY.

TO THAT POINT, DID EVERYBODY GET THE EMAIL EXCEPT FOR BO? I WILL JUST TELL YOU, I COULD NOT LOG ONTO THE SITE BECAUSE I HAD THE, MY USER I.D. AND CORRECT, IT WAS NOT MY EMAIL ADDRESS AND I CALLED TALLAHASSEE AND THEY WERE VERY HELPFUL, THEY LOOKED IT UP AND SAID, YOU IDIOT, YOU HAVE THE WRONG USER I.D. AND ONCE I GOT THE CORRECT USER I.D. WAS ABLE TO GET ON AND DO IT. JUST LIKE IT WAS LAST YEAR. THE GOOD PART IS THAT SINCE LAST YEAR WAS THE FIRST TIME I DID IT ONLINE, THIS SURE A LOT OF IT YOU JUST CLICK AND IT POPULATES. AND YOU CAN JUST ADDED , ADDING THE CHANGES AND GO TO THE NEXT THING.

>>

>> I DON'T KNOW WHY THEY ARE NOT WORKING.

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>> WITH THE COMPANION RE-ZONING APPLICATION 25- 007 MS. GUSTUS AND IS THE APPLICANT , YES, SIR AND IT IS IN THE SPRINGS PLANNING DISTRICT, WHICH IS COMMISSIONER BURKE AND IT WOULD CHANGE THE FUTURE LAND USE FROM AGRICULTURE TO RULE/RESIDENTIAL FOR THE ALMOST 14 ACRE PROPERTY . THE REQUEST IS TO CHANGE THE LAND-USE AND THE ZONING TO MATCH THE SURROUNDING LAND USE AND ZONING . SO, HERE YOU CAN SEE ON THE LEFT THE LOCATION PROPERTY JUST WEST OF THE GREEN COVE SPRINGS CITY AND THE AREA ON THE RIGHT SHOWS THE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN OF THE LOTS SURROUNDING THE PROPERTY.

THIS GRAPHIC SHOWS THE EXISTING LAND USE, WHICH IS AGRICULTURE AND THEN THE PROPOSED WHICH WILL MATCH THE LAND TO THE NORTH AND TO THE EAST OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. SO, IF THE LAND-USE CHANGES THE PROPERTY IT COULD ACCOMMODATE UP TO ONE UNIT PER ACRE WITH POINTS , AS STATED THE CHANGE WOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH

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SO, CLAY COUNTY UTILITIES WOULD PROVIDE WATER AND SEWER TO THE PARCEL , THE PARCEL IS WITHIN THE URBAN SERVICE BOUNDARY AND HAS SCHOOLS AND EMERGENCY FACILITIES WITHIN THREE MILES OF THE SITE. STAFF DID REVIEW THE EIGHT CRITERIA AND THE PROJECT WAS DETERMINED TO HAVE MET ALL THE CRITERIA . THIS IS THE EXISTING ZONING AND THE PROPOSED ZONING .

SO, ONE OF THE CRITERIA THAT STAFF DOES LOOK AT FOR COMPETENCE OF PLAN AMENDMENTS IS FROM CHAPTER 163 AND IT IS THE CONDITION FOR SPRAWL AND 163 SHOWS THAT THESE 13 CRITERIA ARE EVIDENCE OF SPRAWL . SO, THEN 163 REQUIRES THE PLANNER TO REVIEW THE CRITERIA IN THE NEXT SECTION 163 AND IF WE CAN FIND WE HAVE PROVEN THAT IT IS NOT SPRAWL AND SO, STAFF DID FIND THAT IT MEANT AT LEAST FOUR OF THESE CRITERIA. YOU CAN SEE THE ANALYSIS IS IN RED WITH THE FINDING FOR EACH OF THE EIGHT CRITERIA OPPOSED HERE THAT 163 PRESENTS. AND I KNOW THAT CAN BE VERY CONFUSING, IT CAN BE CONFUSING PLANNER SOMETIMES BUT I'M HAPPY TO GO FURTHER INTO DETAIL IF YOU WOULD LIKE.

>> MR. CHAIR, ARE YOU DONE? >> AS STATED THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING UP TO A 13 LOT DETACHED SINGLE-FAMILY SUBDIVISION, THE SPRINGS A CITIZEN ADVISORY COMMITTEE HEARD BOTH ITEMS ON MAY 14TH AND PROVIDED A RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL , 6 -- 0 AND STAFF HAS DETERMINED THROUGH ANALYSIS OF THE SPRAWL CRITERIA AND THE OTHER COPY OF THE PLAN ELEMENT POLICIES AND OBJECTIVES THAT IT IS CONSISTENT AND THROUGH THE EIGHT ZONING CRITERIA STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE

REQUEST. NOW . >> -- MAY KNOW THIS BETTER BUT I'M JUST CURIOUS HOW CLOSE THIS IS TO THE DRI , THE GOVERNORS

PARK? ARE THERE . >> GOVERNORS PARK IS .

>> WHAT IS THE ONE THAT IS RIGH THERE? THE SPRINGS?

>> THAT IS CLAY COUNTY HIGH SCHOOL .

>> OKAY. THIS IS DIFFERENT THAN I THOUGHT, THAT IS ALL.

>> YES, SIR. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR

STAFF? >>

>> I DID BRING A COUPLE OF SHEETS. I DID BRING SOME PAPERWORK FOR YOU IF YOU WANT TO SEE MY IDEAS OF WHAT I HAVE GOT, I'VE ALREADY GAVE OUT SOME . MY NAME IS DANIEL KITCHENS AND I MET 604 -- LANE, ORANGE PARK, FLORIDA AND I'M THE REAL ESTATE AGENT FOR MR. CHERYL -- OF THE PROPERTY 2005 16 A. SO, I FOUND THIS PROPERTY LISTED FOR OVER 205 DAYS , WHEN I FIRST LISTED THE PROPERTY AT EVERY BUILDER THAT YOU CAN THINK OF THAT, CALLING GOING TO BUY THIS PROPERTY ABSOLUTELY DID NOT WANT TO DO THAT AND ALSO IT WAS ADVISED THAT IT WOULD NOT MEET DENSITY REQUIREMENTS AS WELL. SO, WE DECIDED THAT AG

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THAT WAY SHE COULD SPLIT IT UP INTO 10 TO 13 SMALLER LOTS, LIKE ONE ACRE SIZE MINIMUM. I PUT 1.1 ON MY LITTLE, I AM DEFINITELY NOT A LAND DESIGNER, SO, THAT WAS JUST ME COMIG UP WITH THAT.

I PUT 1.1 ON THERE , JUST BECAUSE OF THE NEW SEPTIC TANK REQUIREMENTS , OF YOU ARE ALL FAMILIAR WITH THE NEW SEPTIC TANK REQUIREMENTS, ANYWAY I PUT 1.1 ON THERE ON ONE OF THE DIAGRAMS THAT I DID AND I PUT TWO POINT SOMETHING ACRES ON THERE FOR A LITTLE ROAD, I DID WHERE YOU CAN DO 11 JUST LONG, SKINNY LOCKS. HOWEVER MY SELLER WILL NOT WANT TO HANDLE THIS PROJECT HERSELF. I AM JUST SHOWING UP TO GET RE-ZONE FOR THIS I CAN HAVE A FUTURE BUYER AND THEY CAN HANDLE THAT TYPE OF PROJECT. WHETHER THEY WANT TO SPLIT UP THE LAND, HAVE A LAND CLEARING COMPANY COME IN , CLEAR THE DIFFERENT LOTS OUT AND SELL LIKE LOT ONE, TWO, THREE, SUMMIT HE WANTS TO COME IN AND BUY TWO LOTS ARE THREE LOTS AND GO TO BUILD A CUSTOM HOME THAT IS FINE. THAT IS LESS HOMES ON THAT ROAD , WHICH I BELIEVE IS WHAT THE PEOPLE WOULD WANT , THE LEAST AMOUNT OF HOMES BUILT ON THAT ROAD. I DON'T THINK THEY WANT TOWNHOMES COMING IN AND THAT'S WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO AVOID.

>> ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT?

>> I'VE GOT ONE . PRETTY MUCH JUST A STRAIGHT LINE DIVVYING UP

THE LOTS AND STUFF? >> YES, SIR, THEY ARE NOT 100% ACCURATE ON HOW MANY ACRES THOSE WOULD BE , I WAS JUST TRYING TO SEE HOW MANY I THINK I COULD FIT, I DON'T KNOW HOW I WOULD FIT 13 GOING THAT WAY , SO, SOMEBODY WOULD PROBABLY GET A

TWO ACRE OR THREE ACRE LOT. >> TYPICALLY, WE LIKE TO SEE CLUSTERING , TO PRESERVE THE SIGNIFICANT VEGETATION AND IF THERE ARE WETLAND ON THE PROPERTY AND DOES MEET THE POINT, I RAN THE POINTS BECAUSE OF THE SCHOOL IN CLOSE PROXIMITY

IN THE FIRE. A >> I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ARE

NOT APPROVING -- >> NO, SIR. NO.

>> BECAUSE THERE IS NOTHING ON HERE ABOUT RETENTION .

>> NO, SIR, NO, NO. >> IT MAY NOT BE ONE .1 ACRES.

>> WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH DRC AND THROUGH THE PLANNING

PROCESS. >> YES, THAT WAS JUST OUR IDEA, A GENERAL IDEA OF WHAT TO DO WITH IT

>> OKAY, ANY QUESTIONS? THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I HAVE SEVERAL CARDS ON THIS ITEM, SO, I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND WE WILL START WITH MELISSA FLEMING .

>> GOOD EVENING. MELISSA FLEMING AT 1720 HAGAN RIDGE COURT. WE ARE JUST AROUND THE CORNER , 16 A IS U-SHAPED, WE'RE ON ONE SIDE AND ITS LOCATION IS DIRECTLY ON THE SOUTH SIDE , ON THE BACKSIDE, TRAFFIC IS GOING TO HAVE TO GO EITHER WAY , IT IS ALREADY A MESS ON 16 IN THE MORNING GOING TO WORK. ADDING ANYWHERE FROM YOU KNOW, 13 TO 26 MORE HOUSES IS GOING TO BE 52 PLUS MORE CARS, IT IS GOING TO MAKE IT HARDER AROUND THERE , A LOT OF TRAFFIC ALREADY THAT YOU HAVE TO DEAL WITH ANYWAY.

CONCERNS MOSTLY , IT LOOKS LIKE THEY WANT TO GO AGRICULTURAL , AR AND RR , VESTA MY ABILITY TO EDUCATE MYSELF ON THE WEBSITE .

AR IS A MINIMUM OF ONE ACRE VARIED BUT RR IS ALLOWING A MINIMUM OF HALF AN ACRE. AND I SAY THAT IF THERE IS A CHOICE THERE, AR NEEDS TO BE A LIMITATION.

>> 13 HOUSES, CAN THERE BE LIMITATIONS ON WHAT THEY CAN DO.

I HAVE ANOTHER CONCERN, GOING IN THERE AND SLAPPING IN SOME MOBILE HOMES AND TRYING TO SELL THEM, I HAVE SEEN PEOPLE DOING THAT, AND WHEN YOU GET TO DOING THE MOBILE HOMES, THEN YOUR PROPERTY VALUES START GOING DOWN, AND OVER THE -- HAD A LITTLE DOUBLE WIDE MOBILE HOMES OVER THE YEARS THAT DETERIORATED, AND WE GET ARRESTED LITERALLY EVERY OTHER

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AND THAT BRIDGE WILL GET DETERIORATED, AND I DO HAVE TO CALL THE COUNTY TO COME AND PATCH THE HOLES UP, BECAUSE IT WILL DETERIORATE WHEN THERE IS A REAL HEAVY RAIN, AND AN EXTENDED AMOUNT OF RAIN TIME. SO, THAT IS A CONCERN, THAT BRIDGE GETTING MUCH MORE USE, SO THOSE ARE MY CONCERNS. I AM NOT SURE THE AR CONCERNS ME AS MUCH, BECAUSE AS I THINK I AM UNDERSTANDING, IT IS GOING TO LIMIT IT TO ONE ACRE, NO LESS THAN THE RR, THAT IS AN ISSUE, THAT IS A REAL ISSUE. AND THE THING IS IF YOU CHANGE IT TO AR, THEN YOU CAN PUT TOWNHOMES. WHERE ARE THE LIMITATIONS GOING TO BE, WHERE ARE THE RESTRICTIONS GOING TO BE FOR WHAT THEY CAN DO FOR THE LAND? THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU, MA'AM. JOHN FLEMING?

>> MY NAME IS JOHN FLEMING, I LIVE AT 1720 HAGINS RIDGE COURT.

I HAVE A SERVICE DOG WITH ME. I AM 100% DISABLED VETERAN, I LIVE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD I WALK THAT NEIGHBORHOOD WITH MY DOGS. I WALK THAT NEIGHBORHOOD JUST WITH MYSELF, I HAVE BEEN TO INAUDIBLE ] SPRINGS ITSELF. THE ROAD CAN BARELY HANDLE WHAT IS COMING ON IT NOW BUT IF YOU PUT 13 HOUSES, THAT IS 13 TO 26 MORE CARS PER THE NEIGHBORHOOD, IT CAN'T HANDLE IT. YOU HAVE GOT CLAY HI OUT THERE ON THE OTHER SIDE, AT BOTH SIDES OF INAUDIBLE ]. DURING NOT JUST IN THE MORNING, BUT MY WIFE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER, BUT DURING THE WHOLE DAY, THIS PLACE IS A RATHOLE MESS. YOU HAVE GOT MESS COMING DOWN FROM 315 AND 16, TO ABOUT 16 COMING FROM TOWN, AND YOU HAVE GOT IT FROM PENNY FORMS. YOU CAN'T HANDLE ANY MORE TRAFFIC IN THEIR BID ANYMORE TRAFFIC IS JUST GOING TO BOTTLENECK THIS MESS EVEN MORE THAN WHAT IT IS RIGHT NOW, WITH THE DIFFERENT HOUSES IN THEIR BID AND THE UNDERSTANDING THAT IT IS JUST ONE ACRE PER -- WHAT IS GOING TO KEEP IT AT ONE ACRE PER? ARE THEY GOING TO PUT 26 HOUSES IN THERE OR ARE THEY GOING TO PUT CONDOS OR ANYTHING IN THERE? AND BEFORE THIS THING GOES RED AND GOES BEEP, BEEP,

BEEP, I'M AGAINST IT. >> THANK YOU, SIR. TERESA PATTERSON? OKAY. GOT IT. TO SUPPORT OR TO DENY?

>> DENIED. >> CATHERINE P ? OKAY. I DIDN'T

WANT TO TRY IT. >> I DON'T WANT TO GO TO MY GRAVE WITH THAT NAME. GOOD EVENING, I AM CATHERINE PATTERSON, I LIVE AT 42 RIDGE ROAD WITH MY MOTHER. AND, UM, I LIVED THERE FOR 44 YEARS. OUR PROPERTY IS A PROPERTY THAT BACKS UP TO THE ENTIRE PART, WHICH IS A SMALL HOUSE, AND THAT IS WHERE THERE IS AN

EASEMENT. >> CAN YOU PULL THE MIC UP A

LITTLE? >> SORRY. SO, THAT IS OUR PROPERTY SINCE 1981. CLAY HI USES 16 A DAILY, TWICE A DAY AS THERE WAY FOR THE STUDENTS TO LEAVE. THEY GO TO THE SCHOOL, SO THAT IS TRUE, THERE IS ALREADY HEAVY TRAFFIC. BUT SHORT OF THAT, MOST OF THE LAND THERE IS LARGER AREAS OF LAND, WE ALL HAVE A LOT OF ACREAGE, AND WE HAVE A LOT OF ANIMALS, WE HAVE A LOT OF WILD ANIMALS, ESPECIALLY NOW THAT CLAY COUNTY IS BASICALLY BEING, YOU KNOW, STRANGULATED BY GROWTH. NOW, I DO HAPPEN TO KNOW THE OWNER, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THE REAL ESTATE AGENT IS GOING TO GIVE YOU WHAT SHE WOULD HAVE TOLD THE OWNER AS WELL, BUT BASICALLY, THEY OWN A VERY LARGE PROPERTY, MORE SO THAN WHAT THEY ARE WANTING TO ZONE, SO IF YOU ALLOW THEM TO PUT 13 TO 26 HOUSES, WHICH IT IS NOT AS THOUGH SHE IS GOING TO SAY WE CAN'T HAVE TOWNHOUSES THERE, SHE'S JUST GOING TO GET A BUYER. ONCE YOU GET A BUYER FOR THE 13 ACRES, THE REST OF ALL THE PROPERTY THAT THEY OWN COULD BRING ANOTHER -- AT THAT RATE, 120 HOMES. DOES THAT SOUND LIKE ANYTHING FAMILIAR? BECAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE THE REST OF GREENE

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THIS, THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. ANYBODY ELSE? I DON'T HAVE ANY MORE CARDS, SO -- I DON'T SEE ANYBODY , I

CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING. AND -- >> SAY ONE MORE THING?

>> YOU WANT TO RESPOND TO SOME OF THE COMMENTS?

>> I DON'T KNOW IF MISS JENNY CAN CONFIRM OR NOT THAT WHENEVER IT GETS ZONED TO ADD RESIDENTIAL OR RURAL RESIDENTIAL, EVEN IF THE PROPERTY WAS SOLD TO A CUSTOM HOMEBUILDER, THEY CANNOT COME IN AND PUT TOWNHOMES ON THERE WITHOUT THEM GOING THROUGH THEIR OWN REZONING PROCESS AGAIN, CORRECT?

>> THAT'S CORRECT, IT WOULDN'T BE A ROLE RESIDENTIAL LAND USE, THAT IS AGRICULTURAL LAND USE ZONE, WHICH REQUIRES AT LEAST

ONE ACRE. >> YES. AND I BELIEVE THE PROPERTY BEHIND THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN SOLD OR IS ALREADY BEING PLANNED FOR ANOTHER CAPITAL DEVELOPMENT, SO -- NOT 100% ON

THAT, BUT -- >> IT WAS NOT FOR SALE ON THE

MARKET. >> ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF

THE APPLICANT? >> NO, BUT I HAVE ONE OF STAFF.

>> THANK YOU. >> SO, I AM LOOKING IN THE LDR, AND UNLESS I AM IN THE WRONG PLACE, IT SAYS LAND WITH A ZONING CLASSIFICATION OF AR, WHICH IS WHAT WE ARE PUSHING OR WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED HERE. AND A LAND-USE DESIGNATION OF RURAL RESIDENTIAL , THE MAXIMUM DENSITY IS ONE UNIT PER FIVE

ACRES. >> AND THEN IF YOU LOOK DOWN UNDER INAUDIBLE ], WHICH THEY DO HAVE THOSE, ONE UNIT PER ACRE.

>> OKAY. >> WHAT PAGE ARE WE ON?

>> IT'S PAGE 3-129 IN ARTICLE THREE.

>> THANK YOU. >> SECTION 3-13.

>> OKAY. >> YEAH, AND ESSENTIALLY TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU HAVE ADEQUATE FIRE PROTECTION, YOU HAVE EDUCATIONAL FACILITIES, YOU HAVE PAVED ROADS, YOU HAVE MEDICAL FACILITIES, AND WATER AND SEWER. AND THOSE POINT SYSTEMS ARE IN

OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. >> YEAH, OKAY, I WASN'T QUITE FOLLOWING THAT PART. OKAY. SO UNDER THE CURRENT PROPOSAL, WE ARE LOOKING AT POSSIBLY ONE UNIT PER ACRE.

>> RIGHT, AND THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE INFRASTRUCTURE , AS THE CHAIR SAID, SO THAT'S WHY IN MY STAFF REPORT, I SAID UP TO 13.

>> AND THEN THERE IS SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS, OTHER THAN I KNOW THEY'RE GOING TO PUT ROADS IN AND RETENTION AND DRAINAGE AND ALL THAT. ARE THEY REQUIRING TO HAVE OPEN SPACE? I KNOW THEY CAN DO OPEN SPACE, BUT ARE THEY REQUIRED, LIKE SOME OF THE -- IT

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>> AND THEY ARE NOT REQUIRED FOR A STRAIGHT SUBDIVISION, THAT

WOULD BE A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT. >> OKAY, THAT'S VERY GOOD. ALL

RIGHT. >> THEY WOULD BE REQUIRED TO PUT IN BUFFERS TO THE ADJACENT LAND USES.

>> BUT -- >> AND LANDSCAPING.

>> IF THEY ARE DIFFERENT. BECAUSE --

>> WELL, THEY WOULD BE DIFFERENT.

>> SO, LET ME ANSWER THAT IF I CAN. SO, IN ORDER TO DO A CLUSTERED SUBDIVISION AND GET THE ONE UNIT PER ACRE, WHICH WOULD ALLOW THEM TO HAVE 13 LOTS, OKAY, BUT TO HAVE A RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION THAT IS CLUSTERED, YOU HAVE TO HAVE 35% OPEN SPACE, SO YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE OPEN SPACE WITH THESE SMALLER LOTS. IT WON'T BE ONE ACRE LOTS, BUT YOU CAN'T GO MORE THAN THAT 13 POINT YOU GET THAT RIGHT, BUT YOU DON'T GET TO HAVE THAT WITHOUT HAVING 35% OPEN SPACE.

>> YEAH, OKAY. BECAUSE THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE WITH CLUSTERING IS 21,780 SQUARE FEET, WHICH MEANS ALMOST NOTHING TO ME.

ANYBODY KNOW WHAT THAT IS IN ACRES?

>> IT'S HALF AN ACRE. >> OKAY.

>> ALONG WITH THAT, 35% OPEN SPACE, THEY HAVE TO HAVE A PERMIT OR BUFFER OF 50 FOOT, TOO. AND THAT CAN COUNT TOWARDS OPEN SPACE, SO THE IDEA REALLY IS TO NESTLE IT KIND OF IN THE MIDDLE, CLUSTER IT AND THAT WAY YOUR BUFFERING BETWEEN SMALLER LOTS, HIGHER DENSITY AND WHAT MIGHT BE MORE BRAWL AROUND IT.

SO JENNY IS RIGHT. I JUST WANTED TO --

>> I APPRECIATE THAT. >> CLARIFICATION IS ALWAYS GOOD.

SO, ARE YOU READY? >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I DO HAVE ONE QUICK ONE. DON'T GET INTO NUTS AND BOLTS, BUT HELP ME UNDERSTAND . ON THE SURFACE, IT DOESN'T APPEAR TO MEET THE REQUIREMENTS AS FAR AS SPRAWL GOES, BUT WITH THE ADDENDUM, IT DOES. BECAUSE HE FOUND FOUR ITEMS, MAKES IT QUALIFY.

>> THANK YOU FOR BRINGING IT UP, BECAUSE IT IS CONFUSING. SO, IN 163, THIS IS THE CRITERIA FOR SPRAWL IN RED. AND THERE ARE 13 CRITERIA . AND SO, WHAT A PLANNER HAS TO DO IS PROVE FOUR OF THESE EIGHT ITEMS THAT IT IS NOT SPRAWL, SO IT IS A LITTLE COUNTERINTUITIVE IN THE FLORIDA STATUTES, WHICH IS NOT VERY UNUSUAL. SO, I HAVE FOUND THAT IT MEETS THE FOUR CRITERIA OF THE EIGHT, AND SO THEREFORE, IT IS NOT SPRAWL. DOES THAT HELP?

>> I THINK SO. >> OKAY.

>> BOTTOM LINE IS WE ARE TALKING MAX ONE YEAR PER ACRE.

>> THAT WOULD BE THE MAXIMUM, YES, SIR.

>> SO, IF SHE GETS THIS ONE-YEAR BREAK OR HAS TO MARKET IT AS A GROUP, NOT JUST PICK AND CHOOSE A LOT HERE AND THERE. OKAY,

THANK YOU. >>

>> THANK YOU. OKAY. ARE WE READY FOR A MOTION?

>> I WILL. I AM GOING TO MOVE THE STAFF REPORT ON THIS ONE, AND YOU KNOW ME, I USUALLY AM NOT FOND OF THESE THINGS, BUT I THINK IT MEETS WHAT WE ARE LOOKING AT, IT ABUTS EXACTLY THE SAME ZONING LAND-USE THAT IS EXISTING ALREADY . YOU KNOW? UM, I THINK I UNDERSTAND CLEAR ENOUGH THAT YES, WE COULD END UP WITH HALF ACRE LOTS, BUT IF WE DO, WE ARE GETTING OUT WITH HALF THIS REMAINING IN OPEN SPACE. THERE IS NO MORE THAN 13 HOMES

ON THE WHOLE PROPERTY. >> AND CHAIR, I WOULD LIKE TO REMIND YOU, YOU HAVE TO HAVE TWO VOTES FOR THE LAND USE AND

ZONING. >> IS THAT A MOTION FOR --

>> YEAH, LET ME MAKE THAT MOTION, SO I AM GOING TO MOVE THE STAFF REPORT ON THE COMP PLAN.

>> I WILL SECOND. >> ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. OKAY, ONE DISSENTING. WE HAVE A MOTION ON

THE -- >> I WILL MOVE THE STAFF REPORT

ON THE ZONE CHANGE AS WELL. >> OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANYBODY NEED DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE. THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY

AYE. THOSE OPPOSED? >> THANK YOU ALL, THAT IS ALL I

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HAVE BEEN >> OKAY, THANK YOU.

>> SO, JUST A COMMENT. WHY IN THE HECK ARE THE STUDENTS CHOOSING 16 A TO LEAD THAT SCHOOL? THEY CAN'T GO ANYWHERE, RIGHT BACK TO THE 16, THAT'S WHERE THEY GO.

>>

THIS? >> JUST A WAY TO EXIT THE SCHOOL , LET THE BUSES OUT WHERE THE STUDENTS OUT WITHOUT CONGESTION.

YES, SIR, THEY GO OUT WITH THAT PORTION. IT IS AN EXIT, IT IS ONLY OPEN AFTER SCHOOL HOURS, SO IT FACILITATES THE ENDING OF THE

PARKING LOT FOR THE STUDENTS. >> OKAY. I HAVE NO MORE AGENDA ITEMS, UNLESS I HAVE SKIPPED OVER ONE INADVERTENTLY. AND I HAVE NO REMAINING BUSINESS. SO, UNLESS SOMEBODY OBJECTS, WE WILL ADJOURN. OH, I'M SORRY, YOU'RE RIGHT. I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD, ANYBODY WISHES TO HAVE A PUBLIC COMMENT OR ANYTHING THAT IS NOT ON THE AGENDA THAT PERTAINS TO THIS COMMITTEE. SEEING NO ONE COMING FORWARD, I WILL CLOSE THE COUPLE -- PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD. THE NEXT MEETING IS JULY THE FIRST.

AT 5:00 RIGHT HERE. UNLESS THEY TEAR THIS BUILDING DOWN. ALL RIGHT,

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