[00:00:15] WILL BE DELIVERING OUR INDICATION THIS AFTERNOON. >> PLEASE JOIN ME IN PRAYER. HEAVENLY FATHER, AS WE ARE ONLY ONE DAY POST THE NATIONAL RECOGNITION OF MEMORIAL DAY, WE STILL PAUSE TODAY WITH REVERENCE AND GRATITUDE, TO REMEMBER THE BRAVE MEN AND WOMEN OF OUR ARMED FORCES WHO GAVE THEIR LIVES IN DEFENSE OF OUR NATION. THE FACT THAT WE STAND HERE TODAY ABLE TO MEET AS A COMMUNITY, FREELY, IS DUE AND THEIR LOVE FOR OUR COUNTRY. WE PRAY FOR PEACE FOR THEIR FAMILIES, COMFORT FOR THE GRIEVING, AND STRENGTH FOR THOSE WHO CONTINUE TO SERVE TODAY, IN EVERY BRANCH OF OUR MILITARY. LORD -- FOR THOSE WHO PUT ON A DIFFERENT UNIFORM EVERY MORNING, OUR POLICE OFFICERS, FIREFIGHTERS, PARAMEDICS, AND FIRST RESPONDERS WHO PROTECT AND SERVE KLAY COUNTY WITH SELFLESSNESS AND DEDICATION EACH AND EVERY DAY. MAY YOUR HAND OF PROTECTION BE UPON THEM AS THEY WORKED TIRELESSLY TO KEEP US SAFE. AS COUNTY COMMISSIONERS, WE ARE HUMBLED BY THE RESPONSIBILITY ENTRUSTED TO US. WE ACKNOWLEDGE THE CHALLENGES OUR COMMUNITIES FACE. WE UNDERSTAND THAT WE CAN'T SOLVE EVERY PROBLEM, BUT WITH YOUR GRACE, WE COMMIT TO LISTENING, LEARNING, AND LEADING WITH COMPASSION, WISDOM, AND HUMILITY. HELP US WORK TOGETHER TONIGHT, FOR THE GOOD OF ALL WHO CALL KLAY COUNTY HOME, AND TELL, MOST OF ALL, PROTECT OUR COMMUNITY FROM THOSE WHO MAY NOT HAVE WELL INTENTIONS. WE ALL GIVE THANKS FOR OUR INCREDIBLE COUNTY STAFF, THE BACKBONE OF OUR OPERATIONS. THEIR HARD WORK, PROFESSIONALISM, AND DEVOTION TO PUBLIC SERVICE OFTEN GO UNNOTICED, BUT WE RECOGNIZE THE VITAL ROLE, AND THANK YOU, EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THEM. LORD, AS WE EMBARK ON OUR MEETING THIS AFTERNOON, PLEASE GUIDE OUR THOUGHTS AND ENERGY TOWARD A BETTER CLAY COUNTY AS WE MOVE FORWARD, PLEASE BLESS OUR COMMUNITY, OUR SERVICEMEMBERS, AND OUR NATION, AND MAY US HONOR THE FOLLOWING, BY THE WAY WE LIVE AND LEAD IN YOUR HEAVENLY NAME I PRAY, AMEN. >> ALL RIGHT. OUR VETERAN LED PLEDGE THIS AFTERNOON IS FROM COMMAND MASTER CHIEF CHRISTOPHER JONES. A PROUD U.S. NAVY VETERAN, WHO RETIRED AFTER AN IMPRESSIVE 31 YEARS OF SERVICE. THROUGHOUT HIS NAVY CAREER, COMMAND MASTER CHIEF JONES SERVED IN SAN DIEGO, CALIFORNIA, THE PACIFIC NORTHWEST, KEY WEST, FLORIDA -- THAT WAS A NICE, LITTLE TOUR -- PENSACOLA, FLORIDA, MEMPHIS, TENNESSEE, AND COMPLETED 12 OVERSEAS DEPLOYMENTS. HIS DEDICATION AND LEADERSHIP EARNED HIM NUMEROUS COMMENDATIONS, INCLUDING THE DEFENSE SERVICE MEDAL, TWO MERITORIOUS SERVICE MEDALS, FIVE NAVY AND MARINE CORPS COMMENDATION MEDALS, AND THE JOINT SERVICE COMMENDATION MEDAL, AMONG OTHER CAMPAIGN AND UNIT AWARDS. HE JOINED THE MILITARY BECAUSE HE WANTED TO BE A PART OF SOMETHING BETTER THAN HIMSELF, AND THE CHALLENGE AND CHANCE TO SERVE TURNED OUT TO BE ONE OF THE BEST DECISIONS HE HAS MADE. SOME KEY LESSONS HE LEARNED INCLUDE THE VALUE OF CONSISTENCY, LISTENING MORE THAN SPEAKING, AND THAT TRUST IS EARNED, NOT GIVEN. SINCE RETIRING IN 2019, HE HAS CONTINUED TO SERVE HIS COMMUNITY AS THE HUMAN RESOURCES MANAGER AT BAPTIST HEALTH CLAY AND AS VICE CHAIR OF NORTH T FLORIDA. THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE TO OUR COUNTRY AND YOUR CONTINUED SERVICE TO OUR COMMUNITY. IF YOU WOULD LEAD US IN THE PLEDGE, AND THEN YOU CAN SAY A FEW WORDS. >> I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY. LONG STORY SHORT, I SERVED A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO DIRECTLY ON DISCHARGE AND HE HASN'T CHANGED A BIT. WHEN I FIRST MOVED HERE, TO JACKSONVILLE, I MOVED WHERE CLAY COUNTY WAS ON THE MAP AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT, AND SLOWLY, THEY TOLD ME LIKE CLAY IS LIKE ONE BIG FAMILY, NOT THE BIGGEST, BUT TO MAKE THE MOST IMPACT. I WILL FAST-FORWARD, I USED TO WORK DOWNTOWN AT ONE OF OUR BAPTIST HOUSES, AND I HAD THE CHANCE TO JOIN BAPTIST CLAY AND LONG STORY SHORT, CAME SPRINTING. THE REASON IS BECAUSE OF THIS, RIGHT HERE, THAT PRAYER, THANK YOU, AND YOU GUYS DO MORE FOR VETERANS ACROSS THE U.S. -- AND I HAVE BEEN TO MANY CITIES AND TOWNS -- AND I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU. THANKS FOR THE OPPORTUNITY. >> [CALL TO ORDER] [00:05:19] BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONER MEETING FOR MAY 27TH, 2025. LET [PET ADOPTIONS] THE RECORD REFLECT THAT ALL COMMISSIONERS ARE PRESENT, AND WE WILL MOVE INTO PET ADOPTIONS. >> OKAY. OUR FIRST DOG TODAY IS BUSTER, HE IS A NEUTERED MALE, HE IS 2 YEARS OLD, WEIGHS 51 POUNDS, AND HIS HEARTWORM NEGATIVE. THE PUP WITH THE PLAN AND WI-FI ACCESS, BUSTER HAS BEEN KEEPING UP WITH THE LATEST SHELTER NEWS THROUGH HIS EXTENSIVE SOCIAL MEDIA NETWORK. HE'S GOT INSIDE SOURCES ON DOG INSTAGRAM, BARTOK, AND EVEN THE UNDER DOWN SQUIRREL FORMS. AND THE WORD ON THE STREET -- OR, RATHER, IN HIS NEWSFEED -- IS THAT THE NEW SHELTER IS GOING TO BE TOP NOTCH. WHILE THAT SOUNDS GREAT, BUSTER HAS A BETTER IDEA. WHY WAIT FOR A FANCY KENNEL, WHEN HE CAN BE LOUNGING ON YOUR CAN'T, INSTEAD? ADOPT HIM NOW BEFORE HE GETS TOO COMFORTABLE, AND START DEMANDING VIP TREATMENT. NEXT, WE HAVE TUX, NEUTERED MALE, MEDIUM-SIZED MIXED BREED, HE WEIGHS 61 POUNDS AND HIS HEARTWORM NEGATIVE. MEET TUX, CERTIFIED SNACK ENTHUSIAST, PART-TIME WIGGLE EXPERT, AND OCCASIONAL STEALTH MODE SPECIALIST, WITH HIS DISTINGUISHED LOOK AND ADORABLY AWKWARD CHARM, HE IS SURE TO WIN YOU OVER. TUX IS THE MASTER OF THE PANCAKE MANEUVER. WHEN LIFE GETS OVERWHELMING, HE JUST MELTS INTO THE FLOOR LIKE A PRO. DON'T LET HIS SNEAK TACTICS FOOL YOU. HE IS DREAMING OF A COZY HOME AND A BEST FRIEND WHO APPRECIATES HIS QUIRKS. IF YOU ARE LOOKING FOR A PUP WITH PERSONALITY, MYSTERY, AND A MILD OBSESSION WITH TREATS, TUXES YOUR GUY! OUR FIRST CAT IS CELIA, SPAYED FEMALE, DOMESTIC, MEDIUM HAIR, WAYS 8 POUNDS. CECELIA HAS QUESTIONS, SHE HAS HEARD RUMORS ABOUT THIS NEW SHELTER, AND NATURALLY, SHE HAD TO INVESTIGATE. WHERE IS THE BEST SUNSPOT? WHAT IS THE TREAT SITUATION? ARE THE HUMANS HERE QUALIFIED FOR PREMIUM HEAD SCRATCHES? SO FAR, THE RESULTS ARE PROMISING. BUT, LET'S BE HONEST, CELIA ISN'T HERE FOR A LONG-TERM RESEARCH PROJECT, SHE IS HERE FOR A HOME. SHE IS READY TO RELOCATE HER ADORABLE OPERATIONS TO A COZY LAP NEAR YOU. IF YOU ARE LOOKING FOR A FELINE INSPECTOR TO SCRUTINIZE EVERY NOOK AND CRANNY OF YOUR HOME AND JUDGE HER LIFE CHOICES, CELIA IS YOUR GIRL. LASTLY, WE HAVE AUSTIN, NEUTERED MALE, DOMESTIC SHORTHAIR, WEIGHS 10 POUNDS. MEET AUSTIN, THE SUN SOAKED SUPERSTAR. THIS DASHING, ORANGE TABBY IS A PROFESSIONAL SUNBATHE OR, SOAKING UP GOLDEN RAYS LIKE IT IS HIS FULL-TIME JOB. A LITTLE SHY AT FIRST, OFTEN TAKES HIS TIME GETTING TO KNOW NEW FRIENDS BUT ONCE HE SETTLES INTO A LOVING HOME, HE WILL ABSOLUTELY THRIVE. GIVE HIM A COZY PERCH, A LITTLE PATIENCE, AND A WHOLE LOT OF LOVE, AND YOU WILL SEE HIS TRUE COLORS SHINE -- WARM, AFFECTIONATE, AND UTTERLY IRRESISTIBLE. IF YOU ARE LOOKING FOR A FELINE FRIEND WITH A HEART OF GOLD AND A PASSION FOR SUNNY NAPS, AUSTIN IS READY TO LIGHT UP YOUR LIFE! READY TO MEET YOUR NEW BEST FRIEND? OUR ADOPTABLE ANIMALS ARE WAITING TO ADD SOME EXTRA FUN AND LOVE TO YOUR LIFE, FROM WAGGING TAILS, TO PURRING KITTIES, WE HAVE THE PERFECT COMPANION JUST FOR YOU. WANT TO SEE WHO IS AVAILABLE? HEAD OVER TO OUR WEBSITE AND MEET OUR ADORABLE CREW LOOKING FOR THEIR FOREVER HOMES. IF YOU ARE LOOKING FOR A QUESTION, YOU CAN DROP US A LINE AT CLAYQUESTIONS@CLAY.GOV. DON'T WAIT, YOUR NEW FRIEND IS JUST A CLICK AWAY. AND IN THE PICTURE YOU WILL SEE ROSIE, WHO IS ALSO LOOKING FOR A HOME. IF YOU ARE [1.  Lupus Awareness Month (May 2025)] INTERESTED IN HELPING OUR FURRY FRIENDS BUT CANNOT BRING ONE HOME, PLEASE TAKE A LOOK AT OUR AMAZON WISH LIST. WE ARE ALWAYS IN NEED OF ITEMS FOR THE SHELTER ANIMALS. JUST GO TO AMAZON.COM. AND THAT COMPLETES OUR PET ADOPTIONS. >> THANK YOU. COMMISSIONERS, WE HAVE ONE PROCLAMATION, IF YOU WILL JOIN ME NOW? THANKS. >> MAY IS LUPUS AWARENESS MONTH. LUPUS IS A CHRONIC DISEASE THAT AFFECTS MILLIONS WORLDWIDE AND CAN BE HARD TO DIAGNOSE. WE HAVE A PROCLAMATION TODAY ON TODAY'S AGENDA AND SOME SPECIAL GUESTS HERE TO HELP BRING AWARENESS TO OUR COMMUNITY. JACKIE DOWDEN, NORTHEAST FLORIDA REGION INVESTOR FOR THE LUPUS FOUNDATION OF AMERICA, AND HER [00:10:08] FORMER -- HER EMPLOYER, FORMER COMMISSIONER, AND NOW A TAX COLLECTOR, DIANE HUTCHINS. THEY ARE GOING TO COME ON UP AND HELP US WITH THE PROCLAMATION. >> WELCOME. WELL, LET ME READ THE PROCLAMATION. AND IT READS, WHEREAS, LUPUS IS A CHRONIC, AUTOIMMUNE DISEASE THAT IS CAUSED WHEN THE IMMUNE SYSTEM ATTACKS ITS TISSUES BECAUSE IT CANNOT DISTINGUISH BETWEEN HEALTHY TISSUE AND BACTERIA AND VIRUSES, AND WHEREAS, LUPUS IS AN UNPREDICTABLE AND MISUNDERSTOOD DISEASE THAT RAVAGES DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE BODY, INCLUDING THE HEART, LUNGS, KIDNEYS, JOINTS, AND SKIN, AND ITS SYMPTOMS CAN RANGE FROM MILD TO LIFE-THREATENING. AND WHEREAS, MORE THAN 5 MILLION PEOPLE WORLDWIDE SUFFER FROM LUPUS AND MORE THAN 100,000 ARE DIAGNOSED EACH YEAR, AND EARLY DIAGNOSIS AND TREATMENT ARE CRITICAL IN MANAGING CURRENT AND FUTURE SYMPTOMS AND PREVENTING PERMANENT DAMAGE TO JOINTS AND ORGANS. AND WHEREAS, LUPUS AWARENESS MONTH OCCURS EVERY MAY, TO RAISE AWARENESS ABOUT THE DISEASE AND ITS IMPACT ON INDIVIDUALS AND COMMUNITIES, AND TO EDUCATE OTHERS, SUPPORT THOSE AFFECTED, AND ADVOCATE FOR IMPROVED RESEARCH AND TREATMENT OPTIONS. AND WHEREAS, WHILE THERE IS NO CURE FOR LUPUS, IT CAN BE MANAGED WITH PROPER TREATMENT, AND PEOPLE WITH LUPUS CAN GO ON TO LIVE A LONG, HAPPY LIFE. NOW, THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED THAT THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS, CLAY COUNTY, FLORIDA, DOES HEREBY PROCLAIM MAY 2025 AS LUPUS AWARENESS MONTH IN CLAY COUNTY AND, IN SO DOING, ENCOURAGES EVERYONE TO LEARN MORE ABOUT THE DISEASE AND ITS SYMPTOMS AND VISIT THEIR DOCTOR TO ENSURE EARLY DETECTION AND THE BEST POSSIBLE OUTCOME. DULY ADOPTED BY THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS, CLAY COUNTY, FLORIDA, THIS 27TH DAY OF MAY, 2025. DO I HAVE A MOTION? CAN I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? >> AYE. >> AND PASSED UNANIMOUSLY. >> AM TRULY HONORED TO ACCEPT THIS PROCLAMATION ON BEHALF OF EVERYONE AFFECTED BY LUPUS, PATIENTS, CAREGIVERS, ADVOCATES, WHO WORK EVERY DAY TO BRING AWARENESS IN THIS COMMUNITY. LUPUS IS A CHRONIC AUTOIMMUNE DISEASE THAT AFFECTS MILLIONS OF PEOPLE WORLDWIDE AND YET IT REMAINS WIDELY MISUNDERSTOOD. IT CAN TAKE YEARS TO DIAGNOSE, AND IT AFFECTS PEOPLE IN VASTLY DIFFERENT WAYS. ITS SYMPTOMS ARE OFTEN INVISIBLE, UNPREDICTABLE, AND DIFFICULT TO MANAGE. NOT ONLY PHYSICALY, BUT MENTALLY AND EMOTIONALLY, AS WELL. THAT IS WHY THIS PROCLAMATION IS SO MEANINGFUL. IT IS NOT JUST A SYMBOLIC GESTURE. IT IS A POWERFUL REMINDER THAT THE LUPUS COMMUNITY IS SEEN. SUPPORTED, AND NOT ALONE. IT BRINGS ATTENTION TO THE URGENT NEED FOR MORE RESEARCH, BETTER TREATMENT, AND GREATER PUBLIC UNDERSTANDING. RAISING AWARENESS LEADS TO EARLIER DIAGNOSIS, STRONGER SUPPORT SYSTEMS, AND IMPROVED QUALITY OF LIFE FOR THOSE LIVING WITH LUPUS. BY RECOGNIZING LUPUS AWARENESS MONTH, YOU ARE HELPING TO BRING THIS CONDITION OUT OF THE SHADOWS AND INTO THE LIGHT, AND FOR THAT, WE ARE DEEPLY GRATEFUL. THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT AND FOR STANDING WITH US, AS WE WORK TOWARD A FUTURE WITH BETTER ANSWERS, BETTER CURE, AND ONE DAY, A CURE. >> >> THANK YOU SO MUCH. >> THANK YOU. >> APPRECIATE IT. >> COMMISSIONERS, WHEN WE GET TO OTHER PRESENTATIONS, WE ARE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO GET THIS [2.  Asian/Pacific American Heritage Month (May 2025)] SCREEN TO CONNECT, SO WE MAY NEED TO MOVE AROUND TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE CAN SEE A SCREEN. I THINK THE AUDIENCE SCREEN IS WORKING. CAN YOU ALL SEE YOUR SCREEN? OKAY. WE HAVE ONE DECLARATION ON TODAY'S AGENDA FOR ASIAN-PACIFIC AMERICAN HERITAGE MONTH. IN 1992, CONGRESS DESIGNATED MAY AS ASIAN PACIFIC AMERICAN HERITAGE MONTH, TO SHOW THE GROWTH, HISTORY, [00:15:07] CULTURE, AND ACHIEVEMENTS OF OUR NATION. WE ENCOURAGE YOU TO READ THE FULL DECK RELATION -- DECLARATION ATTACHED ON TODAY'S [Street Sweeper Video Presentation (L. Christmas/J. Smith)] WEBSITE. AND NOW, WE HAVE A REALLY SPECIAL PRESENTATION. WE ARE GOING TO SHOW A VIDEO THAT I ASK I ASKED TO BE SHOWN TONIGHT. IT WAS SHOT AND EDITED BY OUR OWN COMMUNICATIONS DEPARTMENT. LAST WEEK, COMMISSIONER COMPERE, AND COUNTY COMMISSIONER STUART IN THE BACK OVER THERE AND -- SORRY, IS THAT MY COMPUTER? PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR ERIC POPE, AND COMMUNICATIONS DIRECTOR LAURA CHRISTMAS, AND SOME OTHER COUNTY STAFF GOT TO VISIT TIMES ELEMENTARY SCHOOL ON A UNIQUE VISIT AND WE WILL JUST LET THE VIDEO SHOW YOU THE REST OF THE STORY. >> $100? LET'S TRY ANOTHER ONE. A LITTLE HIGHER. A LITTLE HIGHER. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> ONE, TWO, THREE -- >> THEY WERE UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT IS AT NIGHT BECAUSE THEY HAVE NEVER SEEN ONE DURING THE DAY, YOU CAN TAKE LETTERS OUT AND LETTERS MAKE NEW WORDS, LIKE THAT REPLACES THE T AND THE P, AND THEN THEY ARE LIKE, "YEAH, PUT THAT ONE IN. >> PUT THE INITIALS HERE. >> WE THINK WE CAN MAKE A REAL IMPACT ON THE ENVIRONMENT, COLLECT ENOUGH TRASH THAT IT REALLY MAKES A DIFFERENCE. >> YOU GUYS GET TO KEEP IT IN YOUR CLASSROOM! >> ONE OF MY FAVORITE THINGS WE GOT TO DO SO FAR THIS YEAR. WE ARE SUCH GREAT EVENTS. PARTNERING WITH OUR SCHOOL DISTRICT IS SO IMPORTANT. >> THIS IS A UNIQUE OPPORTUNITY FOR THEIR WORLDS TOOK HER ALLIED -- TO COLLIDE WITH CIVICS AND GOVERNMENT AND THEY GOT TO PARTICIPATE, WHICH IS SO IMPORTANT FOR THEM TO LEARN THIS EARLY AND THEY WERE SO ENTHUSIASTIC, SO EXCITED. THAT GAVE MY HEART SO MUCH JOY. >> HE HAS A PASSION TO SERVE HIS COMMUNITY AND THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT HE DOES. ♪ >> LITTLE BOY SAID HE THOUGHT IT COSTS $100 AND WE SAID, "WE WISH IT HAD." AND WE WANTED TO BE ABLE TO SHARE IT WITH YOU, ALL. I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU CAN SEE ON THAT SLIDE, BUT IS IT THE ONE THEY ALL SIGNED? >> YEAH. >> YEAH. SO, THE SECOND GRADERS ALL SIGNED THAT AND THEY HAVE A COPY TO DISPLAY IN THEIR CLASSROOM, SO REALLY EXCITED THERE, AND THEY WERE TREATED WITH POPSICLES, SO THAT MADE EVERYTHING GREAT. ASKED, DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, OR ANYTHING, FOR STAFF? COMMISSIONER COMPERE MIGHT HAVE PAID ENOUGH ATTENTION, BUT I CAN'T ANSWER THEM, SO -- I WAS LOOKING AT HOW [00:20:03] CUTE THEY WERE. OKAY, SO, OUR CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICERS, WE HAVE TWO OF THEM HERE TODAY, WE HAVE TAX COLLECTOR DIANE HUTCHINS, DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WANTED TO BRING WITH US TODAY? OKAY, WELL, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. AND WE HAVE CLERK OF THE COURT AND COMPTROLLER, TARA GREEN. DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING? OKAY, WE HAVE [APPROVAL OF MINUTES] DIRECTOR WRIGHT AND DIRECTOR FUJI FROM THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, THANKS FOR BEING HERE. DID YOU GUYS HAVE ANYTHING? DID I MISS ANYONE? DID I MISS ANYTHING? WELL, THANK YOU, ALL, FOR BEING HERE. WE APPRECIATE IT. I WILL MOVE RIGHT TO APPROVAL OF MINUTES, FROM THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS BUDGET WORKSHOP ON MAY 6TH, 2025, AND THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS MEETING FROM MAY 13TH, 2025. >> FOR THE WORKSHOP MEETING MINUTES OF MAY 6TH, AS WELL AS THE MEETING FOR MAY 13TH. >> I WILL SECOND. [PUBLIC COMMENTS] >> ALL RIGHT, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR INDICATE BY SAYING, AYE. >> AYE. >> ALL THOSE OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES, 5-0. WE ARE AT OUR FIRST COUPLE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD. OUR FIRST COMMENT THIS AFTERNOON IS FROM VIVIAN KATZ JAMES, AND VIVIAN, IN MY COMMISSIONER COMMENTS, I WAS GOING TO SHARE SOME PICTURES ABOUT THE CLEANUP WE DID AT LAKE GENEVA. BUT, WOULD YOU MIND IF TERESA JUST SHOWS THEM NOW? THEY WOULD PROBABLY BE MORE APPROPRIATE WITH YOUR COMMENTS THEN -- SO, YOU CAN COME ON UP, AND WHEN YOU SPEAK, SHE WILL SHOW THE PUBLIC -- AND YOU MAY BE SPEAKING ON MORE THAN JUST THAT, BUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD CLEANUP WAS ON MY LIST, SO -- >> OKAY. VIVIAN KATZ JAMES, PRESIDENT OF SAVE OUR LAKES ORGANIZATION, KEYSTONE HEIGHTS, FLORIDA. THE BEST LAKE REGION HAS BEEN WORKING FOR DECADES, PROBABLY 40, 50 YEARS, FOR LAKE RECOVERY. IT IS FINALLY COMING TO FRUITION, WITH THE BLACK LAKE PROJECT, WHICH MEANS WE ARE GOING TO COMING INTO LAKE BROOKLYN AND GENEVA. LAKE GENEVA RIGHT NOW IS MORE OF A FOREST THAN A LAKEBED. SO, WE SENT OUT WORD TO THE COMMUNITY, THAT WE NEEDED TO DO SOME CLEANUP OF LAKE GENEVA BEFORE THE RESTORATION PROJECT STARTED. SO, WE ENDED UP WITH, I THINK, SOMEWHERE AROUND 40 PEOPLE LITERALLY AT THE FIFTH STREET BOAT RAMP IN LAKE GENEVA. AND WE HAD OUR FRIEND WITH THE RED TRACTOR, WE HAD A BIG, COMMERCIAL DUMPSTER DONATED FOR THE EVENT. AND WE COLLECTED 1.5 TONS OF MATERIAL OUT OF THE LAKEBED, OUT OF LAKE GENEVA. SO, HALLELUJAH. AND I WANTED TO EMPHASIZE THAT, BECAUSE WE ARE -- THE COMMUNITY IS COMMITTED, AND WE HAVE THE SKIN IN THE GAME, SO THAT IS LITERALLY SWEAT EQUITY. WAS SWEAT EQUITY. A THE COUNTY. THIS HAS BEEN A LONG TIME COMING, AND AT THIS POINT IN TIME, THE LAKE GENEVA RESTORATION PROJECT IS JUST -- I CALL IT THE EXCLAMATION POINT FOR THE BLACK CREEK PROJECT. AND THE COUNTY, RICHARD SMITH AND ALL OF THE STAFF, COMMISSIONER CONDON, WE HAVE ALL BEEN WORKING AS A TEAM , WE HAVE MONDAY, AND/OR FRIDAY, LAKE GENEVA RESTORATION AND CLEANUP MEETINGS FOR THE PASS, I THINK, TWO OR THREE MONTHS. AND THAT HAS CULMINATED IN THE -- WHAT WE ARE SEEING ON, I THINK IT IS ON PART OF YOUR CONSENT AGENDA, ITEM 15. WE ARE READY TO ROLL ON THE RESTORATION, AND WE JUST SINCERELY APPRECIATE THE TEAM EFFORT AND ALL OF YOUR WORK. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, VIVIAN. THANK YOU FOR COMING THIS AFTERNOON. CHAD WIESE? >> GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS. MY NAME IS CHAD WIESE, AND I SERVE AS THE PASTOR OF RUSSELL BAPTIST CHURCH. I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR THE DIRECTION YOU GAVE BACK IN JANUAR'S MEETING, TO REVISIT THE SANDRIDGE ROAD MEDIAN DESIGN AND ITS IMPACT ON OUR PROPERTY, IN OUR COMMUNITY. AT THAT MEETING, YOU TASKS THE STAFF WITH RE-ENGAGING WITH OUR CHURCH LEADERSHIP, EXPLORING REAL ACCESS SOLUTIONS, AND RETURNING WITH SUBSTANTIALLY DIFFERENT OPTIONS. BUT, I DO WANT TO KNOW, RESPECTFULLY, THAT WE WERE NOT CONTACTED FOR FOLLOW-UP, AND HAD NO IDEA THAT THIS WAS ON THE AGENDA, AGENDA NUMBER 18, UNTIL COMMISSIONER BURKE PERSONALLY REACHED OUT -- THANK YOU FOR THAT. AND SO, THAT WAS DISAPPOINTING. ESPECIALLY AFTER WE ARE BEING TOLD WE ARE A PART OF THIS PROCESS. AND RUSSELL BAPTIST CHURCH IS A MAJOR STAKEHOLDER IN LAKE ASBURY. ONE OF THE FASTEST GROWING AREAS IN CLAY COUNTY. [00:25:06] OUR CAMP HOSTS HUNDREDS, SOMETIMES THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE, NOT JUST FOR WORSHIP, BUT FOR EVENTS THAT SERVE FAMILIES, KIDS, AND SENIORS ALIKE. THESE PROPOSED CHANGES IMPACT NEARLY EVERYTHING WE DO, INCLUDING UPWARD SPORTS PROGRAMS, WHICH OUR SOCCER LEAGUE, WE HAD 325 KIDS REGISTERED BETWEEN 800 AND 1200 ADULTS WATCHING THE KIDS PLAY EVERY FRIDAY NIGHT. VACATION BIBLE SCHOOL, FOOD TRUCKS AND FIREWORKS, FOURTH OF JULY EVENTS, WEDNESDAY NIGHT KIDS' PROGRAMS, SEASONAL EVENTS LIKE TRUNK OR TREAT, WHICH WE DO IN THE FALL. ACCESS TO OUR VOTING PRECINCT, AND OUR UPCOMING PRESCHOOL, LAUNCHING IN FALL OF 2026, WHICH MANY LOCAL FAMILIES PLAN ON ATTENDING. WE HAVE HEARD ARGUMENTS ABOUT DRAINAGE AND TRAFFIC STANDARDS, BUT YOUR OWN ENGINEERS ACKNOWLEDGE THIS SECTION OF SANDRIDGE HAS NO COMPARABLE MODEL, MEANING THE SOLUTION IS AT YOUR DISCRETION. WE ARE SIMPLY ASKING FOR THAT DISCRETION TO BE USED WISELY. WE SUPPORT EXPLORING REMOVING THE RAISED MEDIAN IN THIS STRETCH OF SANDRIDGE AND CREATING A REFUGE LANE. AN EXAMPLE OF THIS, WE EVEN SEE ON HENLEY, WHICH IS FOUR LANES, AND OTHER PLACES LIKE LANDON BOULEVARD. THIS IS ALREADY IN PLACE IN MANY AREAS IN OUR COUNTY. AT MINIMUM, WE ALSO SUPPORT EXPLORING, MAINTAINING A MEDIAN BREAK IN THE EASTERN ENTRANCE, AS WELL AS THE WEST. EXPLORING SIGNAL PHASING, OR LIGHT TIMING AT CROSS CREEK ENTRANCE, HAVING A RED LIGHT INSTALLED THERE, WE CAN'T REPLICATE WHAT IS HAPPENING AT BELLA LAGO AND ROLLING HILLS. WHERE U-TURNS HAVE CREATED MAJOR SAFETY ISSUES. WITH 40% OF CLAY COUNTY VEHICLES BEING TRUCKS, IT IS PHYSICALLY UNSAFE TO EXPECT WEEKLY U-TURNS ON A TWO LANE ROAD. THERE'S JUST NOT ENOUGH SPACE. ESPECIALLY FOR ELDERLY DRIVERS, FAMILIES, AND SERVICE VEHICLES. SOME HAVE SUGGESTED CONNECTING OUR TWO PARKING LOTS, BUT THAT WOULD CREATE A THREE-WAY INTERSECTION ON OUR PROPERTY AND THE COUNTIES. >> THANK YOU, MR. WIESE. >> NOT RISKING -- REDUCING THE RISK OF ACCIDENTS. WE UNDERSTAND THERE IS COST IN CONTRACT CONSIDERATIONS, BUT WE BELIEVE THOSE WILL PALE IN COMPARISON TO THE COST OF SAFETY AND QUALITY OF LIFE. CATHEDRAL OAKS PARKWAY AT HIGHWAY 23 ARE OPENING UP SOON, AND THAT IS GOING TO GREATLY REDUCE TRAFFIC FLOW IN SANDRIDGE. JUST TAKE THESE THINGS IN MIND, AS WELL. >> THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. NEXT, WE HAVE JIMMY WEEKS. >> GOOD AFTERNOON, EVERYBODY. GOOD TO SEE Y'ALL TONIGHT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE, EACH OF YOU. CHAD AND I DIDN'T GET ENOUGH TIME TO COMPARE OUR NOTES, SO HE SAID 80% OF WHAT I WANTED TO SAY TO YOU. BUT, HERE IS THE REALLY -- WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO IT, ON SANDRIDGE ROAD, IF YOU HAVE NOT BEEN THERE AND YOU ARE TAKING THE WORD OF WHAT WE HAVE SAID, WHAT YOUR STAFF HAVE SAID, YOU SHOULD TAKE THE TIME TO DRIVE THROUGH THERE. IT IS A FAST GROWING AREA. THOUSANDS UPON THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE ARE COMING THERE, SO, THERE ARE SO MANY CHANGES HAPPENING, LIKE SO MANY OTHER AREAS IN THE COUNTY, IT IS HARD TO FOCUS ON WHAT IS RIGHT OR WRONG FOR THE ROADS. AND I KNOW THAT Y'ALL HAVE GREAT STAFF, YOU HAVE FOLKS THAT ARE TRYING TO MAKE THESE PROJECTS WORK, TRYING TO MAKE THEM TIMELY, TRYING TO MAKE THEM USABLE, COST-EFFECTIVE, COST EFFICIENT. WE UNDERSTAND THAT ANY CHANGES OR AMENDMENTS TO THE CONTRACTS MAKES A DIFFERENCE, FINANCIALLY. BUT, HERE IS THE BOTTOM LINE. THAT CHURCH, 109 YEARS IT HAS BEEN THERE, PROGRESSING, GETTING LARGER, LARGER, LARGER. TODAY, THAT IS REALLY THE ONLY CHURCH BUILDING, THE CHURCH FACILITY ON SANDRIDGE ROAD, AND SO PEOPLE HAVE SAID, "WELL, WHAT YOU DO FOR US, YOU HAVE TO DO FOR OTHERS." WELL, THE CIRCUMSANCES ARE DIFFERENT FOR EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THEM. THAT IS WHY WE WOULD HAVE LOVED TO HAVE BEEN IN THE LAST FOUR MONTHS' STAFF MEETINGS, TO EXPLAIN TO YOU SOME OF THESE FACTORS. THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS THAT PLAY INTO THIS ROLE FOR US, HERE. ALSO, IT HAS BEEN BROUGHT UP BY ENGINEERS HERE, THAT IF WE GO WITH ONE ENTRANCE, ONE MEDIAN CUT, WE GO IN, AND WE HAVE TO FIND A WAY T IN FRONT OF OUR SANCTUARIES, THERE. IT IS A TIGHT TURN. WE HAVE TO LOOK AT SEPTIC SYSTEMS AND ALL KINDS OF THINGS, THERE. BUT, THE BIG SAFETY CONCERN WE HAVE, IS THAT WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A THREE-WAY INTERSECTION. WE ARE GOING TO DIRECT TRAFFIC TO THE EAST SIDE OF OUR PROPERTY [00:30:02] TO GO DOWN AND FUNNEL BACK IN. WE ARE GOING TO HAVE THEM GOING TO THE WESTSIDE, AND ALL OF THIS IS GOING TO COME OFF OF THAT MEDIAN. SO, THINK ABOUT THAT. FROM HERE, TO MS. BETSY, WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A TURN THAT IS GOING TO BE DRASTIC, AND YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE ALL OF THESE PEOPLE COMING AND GOING, DROPPING OFF KIDS, DOING THIS. THERE IS NOTHING SAFE ABOUT IT. AND THEN, I THINK ABOUT ALL THE SENIORS THAT WE HAVE AT THE CHURCH THAT ARE GOING TO TRY TO MAKE THOSE U-TURNS. I'M GETTING CLOSE TO THERE, MYSELF. AND SO, SERIOUSLY, I THINK ABOUT -- A LOT OF THESE FOLKS ARE HERE TONIGHT, AND IT IS NOT GOING TO WORK. IT'S NOT GOING TO BE GOOD. THAT CHURCH, ALL WE ARE ASKING FOR, IS FOR TWO ENTRANCES THAT MATCH UP WITH WHAT WE HAVE. IF YOU LEAD OUT THAT MEDIAN THERE, AND LEAVE IT OPEN, AND YOU PUT UP THESE PYLONS THAT GO THERE, THAT FLAG PEOPLE IN AND FLAG PEOPLE OUT, WE ARE ACCEPTABLE TO THAT. BUT, TO SAY YOU WERE GOING TO GIVE US ONE ENTRANCE, AND THEN WE CAN FIGURE OUT WHAT TO DO FROM THERE, IT'S NOT REASONABLE, IT'S NOT FAIR, AND IT'S, FOR SURE, NOT SAFE. Y'ALL DO A GREAT JOB. WE THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR SERVICE, AND IT IS GREAT TO SEE ALL OF YOU. >> THANK YOU, MR. REESE. >> OKAY. >> RANDY GILLIS? >> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONERS, AND HONORED GUESTS. MY NAME IS RANDY GILLIS, I LIVE AT 1807 COUNTY ROAD 209B, GLENCOE SPRINGS. AND I JUST WANT TO TELL YOU GUYS THAT I AM SO EXCITED TO BE STANDING IN FRONT OF YOU, BECAUSE ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO, I BECAME A MEMBER OF RUSSELL BAPTIST CHURCH BECAUSE I GAVE MY LIFE TO CHRIST, AND THAT IS THE BEST THING THAT HAS EVER HAPPENED TO ME. AND WHAT I WANT TO JUST SAY, IS I KNOW THAT THERE IS A PROCESS. TWO YEARS AGO, SOMETHING HAPPENED. SOME OTHER TIME AGO, SOMETHING ELSE HAPPENED. WEEKS AGO, JANUARY SOMETHING HAPPENED. I AM NOT SURE THAT WE EVER PROPERLY APPLIED FOR AN EXCEPTIONAL VARIANCE TO THE DESIGN OF THE ROAD. THAT WOULD BE A MINIMUM REQUIREMENT, ACCORDING TO FLORIDA POLICIES, THAT WE WOULD HAVE HAD TO HAVE COMPLETED. I WOULD HAVE HOPED THAT THE COUNTY TEAM WOULD BE ACTING IN OUR STEAD TO DO THAT, BUT I'M NOT SURE TODAY THAT IT REALLY WAS DONE. AT A MINIMUM, I WOULD HOPE THAT WE WOULD HAVE ANY NUMBER OF DAYS TO PROPERLY PUT TOGETHER THIS REQUEST. I WOULD ALSO SAY, LET'S -- I LOST MY SPOT, PLEASE FORGIVE ME. THE OFFICE OF SAFETY AND TRAFFIC OPERATIONS' RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT DIVISION IN THE FEDERAL HIGHWAY ADMINISTRATION IN MCLEAN, VIRGINIA, WRITTEN BY TWO PHD'S -- NEITHER ONE OF WHICH I DO KNOW -- SAID, "WE HAVE REACHED A CONCLUSION THAT MEDIAN OPENINGS COULD BE CONSTRUCTED WHERE THE MINIMUM LEFT TURN VOLUME IS 500 VEHICLES PER DAY, OR 100 VEHICLES PER HOUR DURING THE PEAK HOURS." I WILL LEAVE OUT THE REST OF THIS. THIS WAS A CONCLUSION BY TWO PHD'S IN THE FEDERAL HIGHWAYADMINISTRATION. THE NEXT THING I WANT TO SAY, IS PROPER JUSTIFICATION FOR A VARIANCE OR EXCEPTION IS BASED LARGELY UPON A SMALL NUMBER OF CRITERIA. ONE OF WHICH, IS COMMUNITY. I HOPE THAT ALL OF YOU, EACH OF YOU, UNDERSTAND HOW IMPORTANT A CHURCH IS FOR COMMUNITY. AND RUSSELL BAPTIST CHURCH ISN'T JUST A COMMUNITY CENTER OR A CHURCH. IT IS BOTH OF THOSE THINGS, AT THE SAME TIME. THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THE PARKING LOT AND THE BUILDING CONSTRUCTION IS FOR USE. THAT SITE IS GOING TO BE DISPROPORTIONATELY IMPACTED BY THIS DESIGN. WE SHOULD TALK ABOUT THAT. CHAD MENTIONED THAT NEXT YEAR, THE CHURCH WOULD LOVE TO CONTINUE TO EXPAND THIS COMMUNITY OUTREACH, THROUGH A PRE-K SOLUTION AVAILABLE TO THE COMMUNITY. WELL, IT NEEDS THAT RIGHT SIDE TO GET TOO EASILY! WE DON'T WANT TO INHIBIT FIRST RESPONDER ACCESS TO THAT SIDE OF THE CHURCH. IT ISN'T ABOUT PARKING FOR THE CHURCH. IT'S ABOUT PARKING FOR A COMMUNITY SERVICE CENTER THAT IS ALSO A CHURCH -- WHICH I AM HAPPY AND THRILLED TO BELONG TO. PLEASE, GIVE US SOME TIME TO FIND THE RIGHT ANSWER. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> THANK YOU. I DO NOT HAVE ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT CARDS, SO OUR FIRST PUBLIC COMMENT, HELENA, COME ON UP. >> HELLO, MY NAME IS HELENA, MY ADDRESS IS ON FILE, AND AGAIN, I JUST WANT TO SAY, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR EVERYTHING THAT Y'ALL DO. WE KNOW THAT THESE DECISIONS AND EVERYTHING, Y'ALL DON'T TAKE LIGHTLY. AND IN THE JANUARY MEETING, I DID ASK IF THERE WAS ANY WAY THAT Y'ALL COULD DRIVE [00:35:03] THAT ROAD FROM BELLA LAGO, IN THE COMMUNITY AND DO THE U-TURN, BUT BECAUSE IF YOU KNEW THE SAFETY AND WHAT IT WAS LIKE JUST FOR ME THE FIRST TIME I DID IT, WHERE THEY ARE DOING THIS AT THE CHURCH, IF Y'ALL HAVEN'T DRIVEN THAT YET, THEN I PROMISE YOU, IF THERE WAS A BUMP OUT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ROAD, TO WHERE YOU COULD MAKE A SAFE U-TURN, IT WOULD BE DIFFERENT. THE SAVING GRACE FOR THE PEOPLE THAT ARE LEAVING BELLA LAGO AND COMING IN, AND USING ROLLING HILLS, IS THE FACT THAT THERE IS A DRIVEWAY FOR THAT ENTRANCE THAT THEY ARE ABLE TO USE. THESE TRUCKS ARE HAVING TO DO A VERY WIDE TURN TO BE ABLE TO GET INTO THERE -- TO DO THE U-TURN. THERE IS NOT THAT SAVING GRACE, WHERE THEY ARE DOING THIS U-TURN. AND SO, THE PEOPLE THAT ARE COMING IN, HOW ARE THEY GOING TO DO THAT? AND I KNOW THE EXPERTS, AND I KNOW I HAD SPOKE TO MR. HOWARD WANAMAKER THIS MORNING, THIS IS COMP LOCATED AND WE GET THAT. BUT, WE ARE BEGGING FOR YOUR FAVOR, FOR Y'ALL TO BE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT AFFECTS THE COMMUNITY. I DO HAVE SOME PICTURES OF SOME OF THE ROADS. I AM NOT GOING TO SHARE ALL OF THEM, BUT I AM GOING TO SHARE THE LAST ONE ON THERE. THIS IS MY SON'S CAR. WHEN IT WAS TOTALED, WHERE Y'ALL ARE DOING THE ROUNDABOUT. MY SON IS NOW 26, AND THIS CAR WAS TOTALED -- THIS WAS LITERALLY JUST LEAVING OUR HOUSE IN ROLLING HILLS. STOPPING AT 209B FOR A CAR TO RETURN AND SOMEBODY REAR-ENDED HIM, TOTALED HIS CAR, SO WE SUPPORT THE STUFF THAT Y'ALL DO, BUT WHEN WE ARE STANDING HERE, ADVOCATING FOR OUR FAMILIES AND OUR KIDS, WE KNOW THAT SAFETY MATTERS. I THINK -- I THANK GOD MY SON WAS ABLE TO DON'T KNOW WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE, BUT WE ARE JUST BEGGING Y'ALL TO HAVE SOME TYPE OF COMPROMISE, TO WHERE THE PEOPLE THAT LEAD THIS -- WE HAVE A MASS EXODUS AT OUR CHURCH, AT ANY AND ALL OF THESE EVENTS. THERE ARE HUNDREDS OF CARS THAT LEAVE THAT ONE TIME. WE WOULD NOT BLOCK OFF A ROAD OR A MEDIAN AT THE SCHOOL, AT THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL DOWN THE ROAD, AND WE WOULD TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION. AND SO, WHEN YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT, "HOW DO WE DO THIS?" THE COMMUNITY CROSS CREEK, FROM EVERYTHING THAT I UNDERSTAND, THERE ROAD BELONGS TO THEIR CDD. WHETHER WE WERE ABLE TO USE OUR EGRESS AND INGRESS, IF THAT ROAD WAS OWNED BY THE COUNTY, TO WHERE IT WAS A COUNTY MAINTAINED ROAD, WOULD THAT BE AN OPTION? YOU KNOW, THERE ARE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT WE CAN TRY TO EVALUATE. WE NEVER WANT TO COME TO YOU WITH JUST A PROBLEM AND NOT HAVE A SOLUTION. SO, WE HAVE A PROBLEM, WE HAVE [CONSENT AGENDA] SEEN THIS PROBLEM -- AS ALL OF US HAVE DRIVEN IT. SO, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME, AND I WILL LEAVE THIS HERE. >> ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THE FIRST PUBLIC COMMENT? ALL RIGHT, SEE NONE. I WILL MOVE INTO THE CONSENT AGENDA. ITEMS NUMBER FIVE THROUGH 15, IS THERE ANY ITEM ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO PULL FOR DISCUSSION? >> MADAM CHAIR, I WOULD LIKE TO PULL NUMBER SEVEN. >> OKAY, ITEM NUMBER SEVEN. ANYTHING ELSE? ALL RIGHT, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR ITEMS FIVE THROUGH 15, MINUS ITEM SEVEN. >> I MOVE APPROVAL. >> I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. [7.  TDC Business (C. Latham/T. Meyer)] ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR INDICATE BY SAYING, AYE. >> AYE. >> ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES, 5-0. ITEM SEVEN, TDC BUSINESS. >> THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. >> I PULLED THIS ITEM TONIGHT JUST BECAUSE I WANT TO REMIND THE COMMUNITY, IF YOU ARE HOLDING ANY EVENTS IN PLAY CLAY COUNTY, OR YOU PLAN ON HOLDING EVENTS THAT REQUIRE ROOM NIGHTS FOR HOTELS, WE STILL HAVE A LUMP SUM OF MONEY THROUGH THE TOURISM DEVELOPMENT COUNCIL, ABOUT $70,000. PLEASE APPROACH OUR TOURISM STAFF, SEND AN EMAIL TO , REQUESTING A GRANT FOR YOUR EVENT, AS THIS TRIES TO REINSTATE SOMEONE BRINGING EVENTS TO CLAY COUNTY ON OUR BEHALF. WE REALLY DON'T HAVE A BUNCH ON THE BOOKS, SO IT IS VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE TRY TO DO THIS ORGANICALLY, AND THAT THIS PARTICULAR EVENT -- WHICH I WAS GOING TO MENTION IN MY COMMENTS -- WAS A HUGE ORGANIC SUCCESS, THE RODEO AT THE RANCH. AND IT WAS BECAUSE OF A LOCAL GROUP THAT REQUESTED A GRANT AND TURNED IT INTO A HUGE COMMUNITY EVENT. SO, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE [16.  FCC Status Update (M. Towns)] THAT KNOWN, AND THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT. THANKS. >> ARE YOU MOVING APPROVAL? >> I AM MOVING APPROVAL OF AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, YES. >> OKAY, WE HAVE APPROVAL, DO WE HAVE A SECOND? ALL RIGHT, WE HAVE A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN [00:40:01] FAVOR SIGNAL BY SAYING, AYE. >> AYE. >> ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES, 5-0. ITEM NUMBER 16, FCC STATUS UPDATE, MILTON? >> GOOD AFTERNOON, MADAM CHAIR AND COMMISSIONERS. I AM MILTON TOWNES. I SERVE AS YOUR ENVIRONMENTAL SERVICES DIRECTOR. WE ARE PASSING OUT JUST A LITTLE BIT OF INFORMATION TO GO ALONG WITH THE PRESENTATION YOU ALREADY HAVE. JUST TO BRING SOME DATA UP TO DATE, THROUGH LAST WEEK. SO, WE WERE ASKED TO BRING KIND OF A MIDYEAR REPORT OF HOW THINGS ARE GOING, WITH OUR NEW COLLECTION CONTRACT. AND SO, THIS IS RATHER BRIEF. I WOULD LIKE TO SAY -- AND IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS I CAN'T ANSWER, ANDY BARKER, OUR GENERAL MANAGER HERE FOR CLAY COUNTY, IS IN THE AUDIENCE, AS WELL. AND SENIOR GM, SCOTT FORD, IS HERE, AS WELL. SO, AS MOST OF YOU KNOW, THROUGH THE ONE COMMISSIONER WHO IS VERY MUCH A PART OF THIS, WE HAD A LOT OF CHANGES EFFECTIVE OCTOBER 1ST. SO, A LOT OF SERVICE CHANGES THAT AFFECTED THE RESIDENCE, GOING FROM A LIMITED COLLECTION, TO CARDED COLLECTION, TO ON-CALL BULK, THE ELIMINATION OF RECYCLING, AND A CHANGE IN HAULERS ALL AT THE SAME TIME. THE HAULER CHANGE, BECAUSE OF THE COLLECTION SERVICE, REQUIRED DIFFERENT TYPES OF EQUIPMENT, REQUIRED REBALANCING OF THE ROUTES, AND ROUTING FOR THE AUTOMATIC SIDE LOADERS IS DIFFERENT IN REAR LOADERS. SO, MANY FOLKS HAD DIFFERENT COLLECTION DAYS, OR CERTAINLY, DIFFERENT COLLECTION TIMES, AS THESE ROUTES WERE BEING ANNOUNCED. IT DID BRING ON ISERVICE SERVICE VERIFICATION, WELL AS A SYSTEM CALLED TRACK A- ACE FOR COMMUNICATION TRACKING AND REPORTING. THAT IS VERY VALUABLE, BECAUSE BOTH THE COUNTY AND OUR STAFF, AND OUR TEAM, AND FCC'S TEAM, WE HAVE THE SAME DATA, SO WE CAN SEE WHAT IS GOING ON IN THE SAME SYSTEM, WITHOUT DUPLICATE DATA ENTRY, AS WE WERE DOING PREVIOUSLY. SO, OUR ROLLOUT, KIND OF BROKE DOWN THE FIRST 60 DAYS. THE NUMBER OF SERVICES PROVIDED, AS YOU CAN SEE, WE HAD ALMOST 1400 MISSED PICKUPS REPORTED IN OCTOBER. EVEN WITH THAT AMOUNT REPORTED, THAT WAS STILL 99.57%. BY MID-NOVEMBER, THAT NUMBER HAD SUBSTANTIALLY DECREASED. SO, REALLY, OUR ROLLOUT WAS CLOSER TO A SIX WEEK TURNAROUND. SO, FOR THE FIRST 60 DAYS, BY THE MONTH OF NOVEMBER, MISSED PICKUPS WERE REDUCED TO 284. ALSO, RIGHT AS WE STARTED -- JUST TO REMIND YOU -- WE CLOSED ON OCTOBER 7TH AND THEN WE WERE DEALING WITH DEBRIS COLLECTION ALONG WITH A START UP FOR THIS NEW COLLECTION CONTRACT FOR NEXT SLIDE. SO, SINCE THAT TIME -- SO, DECEMBER THROUGH APRIL -- AND I WILL JUST KIND OF HIGHLIGHT, FCC HAS PERFORMED 6103 SCHEDULED BOOK COLLECTIONS. DELIVERED, OR REPAIRED, OR SWAPPED OUT 5070 CARTS. AND, HAD A TOTAL OF 444 MISSES. AND WHAT WE CAN SAY NOW, IS THAT THESE MISSES ARE -- WITH VERY FEW EXCEPTIONS -- ARE VERIFIED MISSES. WHEREAS IN THE PREVIOU CONTRACT, WITHOUT THE THIRD EYE SYSTEM, THERE WAS REALLY NO SERVICE VERIFICATION. SO, THESE VERIFICATIONS -- AND THEY WERE LISTED MY MONTH -- YOU CAN SEE THESE ARE VERIFIED MISSES, SO THESE WERE ACTUALLY MISTAKES ON [00:45:02] THE PART OF THE COLLECTION CREW. SO, FOR THESE FIVE MONTHS, WE HAVE AVERAGED 20 MISSES PER WEEK. WHEN WE ARE SERVICING OVER 150,000 SERVICES PER WEEK. SO, WE REACH 75,000 HOMES, FOR GARBAGE AND YARD TRASH. AND WE DO WANT TO POINT OUT THAT FOR THE MONTHS OF MARCH AND APRIL, THEY HAD NINE OR FEWER REPORTED MISSES PER WEEK FOR THOSE MONTHS, AND THAT KIND OF GOES TO THE SHEET THAT I HAVE PASSED OUT TO YOU WHICH BRINGS TODAY THE LAST THREE WEEKS TO BRING US TO CURRENT. LAST WEEK, WE SET A RECORD LOW AT NUMBER OF VERIFIED MISSES, AT THREE. WE HAD TWO WEEKS IN MARCH WITH FOUR. THEY OUTDID THEIR SELVES WITH THREE. AND 10 OF THE LAST 12 WEEKS, WE HAVE HAD SINGLE-DIGIT MISSES. SO, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT TO JINX ANYTHING, BUT I THINK THE TRENDS ARE LOOKING VERY WELL. SO, THE NEXT ONE -- OTHER THINGS THAT WE DO MEASURE AND KEEP UP WITH THAT MAY BE OF INTEREST TO YOU, WE HAVE OUR ADDITIONAL CART REQUESTS, WE HAVE HAD 4004 OF THOSE, THROUGH APRIL. SO, A LITTLE OVER 16,000 OVERFLOW STICKERS. FCC HAS ANSWERED, AND THIS WOULD BE DECEMBER THROUGH APRIL, 27,500 PHONE CALLS, AND IT HAS PROVIDED 5.2 MILLION COLLECTION SERVICES. AND OUR CONTRACT CALLS WERE RUNNING ABOUT $1.35 MILLION, ON AVERAGE, PER MONTH, FOR CONTRACT COST. IT IS $18.10, THAT IS WHAT FCC IS PAID, PER MONTH, PER UNIT, FOR THE SERVICES. AND AS YOU KNOW, OUR UNIT COUNT CHANGES EACH MONTH AS WE GET NEW CEOS THAT COME ON BOARD. BUT, WE ARE RUNNING RIGHT ON TRACK, FOR OUR ESTIMATE, AND OUR BUDGETED AMOUNT THIS YEAR WAS $16.2 MILLION, FOR THE COLLECTION CONTRACT. AND WE ARE TRACKING RIGHT WITH THAT. I WOULD POINT OUT THAT -- SO, FOR THE C.A.R.T. REQUESTS IN THE FIRST QUARTER OF OCTOBER THROUGH DECEMBER, WE HAD 2500 REQUESTS. SECOND QUARTER, JANUARY THROUGH MARCH, THAT DROPPED TO 1230, WHICH IS A 31% DEGREES, SO WE ARE SEEING THE FREQUENCY OF HOW MANY CARTS WE ARE GETTING, AND EXTRA CART IS CONTINUING TO GO DOWN, AND THE STICKERS WERE SIMILAR, THE SECOND QUARTER WORKS FREE, 40% LESS, THAN THE FIRST QUARTER. AND THEY ARE STARTING TO LEVEL OFF. AND WITH THAT, I WILL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE. >> OKAY, QUESTIONS FOR MILTON? COMMISSIONER? >> ARE THEY GETTING THE BULK PICKUP? HAS THERE NOT BEEN AN ISSUE WITH BULK PICKUP THAT YOU KNOW? >> I CAN ONLY -- THERE IS A COUPLE OF BULK MISSES COUNTED IN THOSE MISSED SERVICES, BUT THERE ARE -- IF A BULK IS CALLED IN, IT IS SCHEDULED FOR THE NEXT COLLECTION DAY. SO, YOU KNOW, IF YOU CALL IN THE DAY AFTER YOUR COLLECTION DAY, YOU WILL WAIT SIX DAYS. IF YOU CALL IN AND SCHEDULE IT TWO DAYS AHEAD, YOU HAVE A SHORT WAIT. SO, THEY DO THE BULK IN THE SAME AREAS THAT THEY ARE RUNNING THE ROUTE, SO THEY CAN PICK UP THE BULK IN THE SAME DAY, EVEN THOUGH IT IS A DIFFERENT TRUCK. NOW, LARGE GOODS, LARGE APPLIANCES, THOSE ARE COLLECTED ON WEDNESDAYS, GENERALLY, BECAUSE THEY CAN'T BE MIXED WITH THE COUCHES AND CHAIRS ON THE HOME FRONT. >> LIKE I SAID, THEY CALL THE DAY BEFORE THEIR PICKUP, THEY STILL WON'T BE ABLE TO GET IT THE NEXT DAY? >> IF THEY CALL EARLIER IN THE DAY. AND I HAVE HAD TO LEAVE IT TO ANDY TO WHAT THE CUT OFF TIME MIGHT BE. BECAUSE AT SOME POINT, THEY HAVE TO SET THE ROUTES FOR THE FOLLOWING DAY. BUT, CERTAINLY, IF THEY CALL BEFORE NOON, I WOULD FEEL CONFIDENT THAT THEY WOULD GET IT THE NEXT DAY, IF THE NEXT DAY IS ON THEIR SCHEDULE. [00:50:02] >> GREAT. SOUNDS WONDERFUL. >> COMMISSIONER SGROMOLO? >> THANKS, MILTON. THE FIRST QUESTION IS THE SECOND CART REQUESTS ARE NOW AT 4004. HAVE YOU SEEN THAT START TO LEVEL OFF? I KNOW THE FIRST NUMBER THAT WAS IN MY BRAIN WAS AROUND 3000, 3200. IS THAT STARTING TO LEVEL OFF? >> IT IS LEVELING OFF. FOR INSTANCE, THE FIRST QUARTER, WE HAD 9581, AND THE -- I'M SORRY, I GOT THE WRONG CALL. WE GOT 2506, AND THE SECOND QUARTER -- JANUARY THROUGH MARCH -- WE HAD 1230. SO, 51% DECREASE. AND THAT DECREASE -- YOU KNOW, IT LOOKS LIKE IS TRENDING, CONTINUING TO TREND DOWN THIS MONTH >> YEAH, I THINK AFTER OUR FIRST ANNUAL YEAR, WE WILL BE ABLE TO SEE WHAT THE TOTAL MEAT IS. >> RIGHT. AND I THINK MOST OF THE PEOPLE WHO WANT THEM NOW FOR THE MOST PART HAVE ORDERED THEM. I DO ENCOURAGE FOLKS, IF YOU ARE BUYING OVERHEAD STICKERS OFTEN, BUYING THEM WITH ANY REGULARITY, EVERY MONTH, IT IS FINANCILLY IN YOUR INTEREST TO GET AN EXTRA CARD, IF YOU HAVE A SPOT TO STORE THAT, BECAUSE THAT IS MORE VOLUME FOR LESS MONEY IF YOU REGULARLY ARE HAVING OVERFLOW. BUT, RIGHT NOW, WE ARE RUNNING AT ABOUT FIVE AND HALF PERCENT OF OUR TOTAL HOUSEHOLDS HAVE ADDITIONAL CARTS. BASED ON THE TOTAL NUMBER OF CARDS. NOW, THERE ARE HOUSEHOLDS THAT ORDER TWO EXTRA CARTS. SO -- >> TWO OF THE QUESTIONS. SO, THE DATA IS DEFINITELY TRENDING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION WITH DECREASED MIST PICKUPS, WHICH IS A GOOD THING. YOU MENTIONED WE ARE AVERAGING 20 MISSES PER WEEK. AS THE DIRECTOR, WERE YOU SEEN TRENDS WITH THAT? WAS THERE A REASON IT WAS 20 PER WEEK? WAS IT READ PETE -- REPEAT ROUTES? WHAT WAS YOUR JUSTIFICATION FOR THE MISSES, AND HOW DO WE RECTIFY THAT? >> MOST OF THE MISSES, I BELIEVE, ARE DUE TO WHEN THEY ARE SHORT A DRIVER AND THEY HAVE TO FILL IN ON ROUTES, OR SOMEBODY IS ON VACATION, AND THEY HAVE TO SWING DRIVER TO COVER A ROW, THEY ARE JUST NOT AS FAMILIAR WITH THAT AREA, OR, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY HAS A BREAKDOWN AND THEY SEND SOMEBODY OVER TO HELP AT THE END OF THE DAY, SO THEY MAY MISS SOMETHING, JUST IF THEY ARE UNFAMILIAR. THEY ARE RUNNING AN ILLEGAL -- AREA THEY ARE UNFAMILIAR WITH, SO I THINK MOST OF THEM ARE DUE TO THOSE SCENARIOS OTHER THAN -- ALTHOUGH, IT DOES HAPPEN, LIKE THERE HAVE BEEN INSTANCES WHERE EVEN SOME -- FOR INSTANCE, ONE WE LOOKED AT, THEY ACTUALLY STOPPED, THE DRIVER STOPPED, GOT A PHONE CALL, DEALT WITH WHATEVER THE ISSUE WAS AND DROVE NEXT TO THE NEXT HOUSE, AND TOOK THE CART, THEY JUST GOT DISTRACTED AND FORGOT IT. BUT, THE THING IS, WITH THE THIRD EYE SYSTEM, WE CAN VERIFY THAT AND WE CAN GO, OKAY, THAT WAS DRIVER EVER, AND THEY CAN SEND THE DRIVER OUT. >> LAST QUESTION IS, THE SIDE DOOR PICKUP PROGRAM, HOW DOES THAT WORK, EXACTLY? >> SO, THE SIDE DOOR PICKUP BASICALLY MEANS THAT THEY WILL GO UP, FCC WILL GO UP AND GET THE CART FROM, YOU KNOW, IN FRONT OF THE GARAGE, ROLL IT DOWN, DUMP IT, TAKE THE CART BACK. SO, THERE ARE TWO WAYS. IT IS AVAILABLE TO PEOPLE, FOR A FEE. >> RIGHT. >> AND THAT FEE IS IN OUR BID, SO THERE WAS A BIG CRUNCH FOR THAT. AND THEN, FOR THOSE WHO ARE UNABLE -- OR, NO ONE IN THE HOUSE IS ABLE TO TAKE THE GARBAGE CART TO THE CURB, AND THEY MEET THE LOW INCOME REQUIREMENTS, THEN THAT SERVICE IS AVAILABLE WITHOUT THAT ADDITIONAL COST. >> AWESOME. I HAVE HAD SOME ELDERLY FOLKS -- IS 100% DISABLED VETERANS, ARE THEY ON THAT LIST? >> NOT JUST BY THAT. THEY HAVE TO BE UNABLE TO TAKE THAT GARBAGE CART TO AND FROM THE CURB. >> OKAY, PERFECT. IS THERE A FINANCIAL, MONETARY INCOME REQUIREMENT, TOO? >> THERE IS, YEAH. TO HAVE IT AT NO COST, THEY HAVE TO MEET THAT WOULD HUNDRED 50% -- >> BOTH CRITERIA? >> RIGHT. IF THEY HAVE TROUBLE TAKING IT TO THE CURB AND THEY ARE HIGHER INCOME, IT IS STILL AVAILABLE TO THEM, THEY JUST HAVE TO PAY FOR THAT ADDED LEVEL OF SERVICE. >> OKAY. >> COMMISSIONER RENNINGER? >> YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO -- [00:55:06] WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT LAST WEEK, THREE MISSES OUT OF 150,000 CONTACTS, OR 175,000? >> 150,000. >> 150,000 PICKUPS? >> YES. >> AND WE MISSED THREE? >> VERIFIED, YES. >> OKAY. MY QUESTION -- WELL, MY COMMENT IS, I'M GLAD THAT THEY TOOK 27,195 CALLS. THAT MEANS THEY DIDN'T COME TO ME. LAUGHTER ] AND I AM VERY THANKFUL THAT THOSE CALLS HAVE DWINDLED TO NEAR ZERO. HOWEVER, THE CALLS I DO GET OUR MISUNDERSTANDING, UNINFORMED, BULK PICKUP REQUIREMENTS. AND I DON'T KNOW HOW WE PUT IT OUT, I DON'T KNOW HOW WE DO MORE. BUT, THAT IS THE BULK OF MY DIALOGUE. I DON'T GET A LOT OF THOSE CALLS, BUT IF THERE IS A PROBLEM, IT IS A BULK PICKUP, AND I DIDN'T KNOW THAT I HAD TO CALL TO GET IT PICKED UP. YOU KNOW, THAT TYPE OF THING. SO, I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO GET THE WORD OUT, SOMEHOW. >> YEAH. LAURA CONTINUES TO HELP US WITH THAT. SHE REGULARLY POSTS, AND GETS OUT THAT INFORMATION. I KNOW IT IS THOSE KINDS OF THINGS, THAT ARE THE BULK OF CARS CALLS TO MY OFFICE. AND I BELIEVE INFORMATION IS ALSO THE BULK OF THE CALLS TO FCC AND TALKING WITH ANDY. I CAN TELL YOU, IT KIND OF LEADS TO ANOTHER INTERESTING -- SO, IN DECEMBER AND JANUARY, 30% OF THE CALLS, FCC'S CALLS, WERE ROLLED TO THE CALL CENTER, OR TAKEN AT THE CALL CENTER. FEBRUARY, ONLY 12% WENT TO THE CALL CENTER, AND THAT IS TRENDING LOWER. SO, AS THE TOTAL VOLUME STABILIZES, AND AS PEOPLE LEARN WHAT THE RULES ARE AND THEY ARE NOT CALLING WITH AS MANY QUESTIONS, THEIR LOCAL STAFF IS, YOU KNOW, FROM FEBRUARY TO APRIL, TOOK 88% OF THE CALLS WITHOUT THAT GO INTO A CALL CENTER, MEANING THAT YOUR LOCAL EMPLOYEE -- WHO KNOWS THE COMMUNITY BETTER -- TOOK THE CALL. WHICH IS WHAT WE WANT, WE WANT AS MANY CALLS TAKEN HERE AS POSSIBLE. >> THANK YOU. >> COMMISSIONER COMPERE? DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING? MILTON, I JUST HAD ONE QUESTION THAT WAS ASKED, HAD SOME OF THE SAME QUESTIONS AS MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS, BUT, ARE WE TRACKING THE DROP-OFFS AT THE ECC, IN ADDITION? SO, I'M CURIOUS AS TO THE USAGE OF THE ECCS, HAVE THOSE CONTINUE TO INCREASE? >> THOSE HAVE INCREASED. I DON'T HAVE THE TOTAL NUMBER OF DROP-OFFS WITH ME. I DO HAVE A COMPARISON OF THE TONNAGE COLLECTED AT ECCS, IF YOU WOULD LIKE. >> SURE. >> AND I CAN GET YOU THE COMPARISON, FROM YEAR-TO-YEAR, ON THE NUMBER OF VISITORS. SO, OUR TONGUE IS AT -- SO, WE -- WITH THE NEW CONTRACT, THE REDUCED TONNAGE THAT HAS COME IN THROUGH THE CURBSIDE PROGRAM -- EVEN THOUGH WE REDUCED RECYCLING BY ALMOST 7800 TIMES FROM NOVEMBER TO APRIL -- AT THE ECCS, THE TONNAGE TOTAL INCREASED AT BOTH THE ECCS. WE WENT FROM -- LET'S SEE. FROM NOVEMBER 1ST TO APRIL 30TH, WE COLLECTED 2400 TONS AT THE ECCS, WHILE AT THE SAME TIME PERIOD IN 2024 UNDER THE PREVIOUS CONTRACT, THERE WAS 1300. >> SO, ALMOST DOUBLE. >> ALMOST DOUBLE. AND WE ALSO HAVE INCREASED AT ROSEMARY HILL, WITH THE UNDER 500 PANELS FOR THE FREE DISPOSAL BINS. >> YES. >> SO, THE TOTAL DEALT FROM ROSEMARY AND THE ECCS IS GOING TO BE INCREASED IN DROP-OFFS BY 3108 TONS. >> AND THEN, DO YOU HAVE A -- WE HAVE INCREASED BY 3000 TONS? OR, THAT IS THE CHANGE? >> THAT IS THE CHANGE, SO THAT IS THE AMOUNT OF THE INCREASE, 3000 TONS, OVER THE YEAR PRIOR. >> 3000? WOW. OKAY. >> BUT, OUR CURBSIDE HAS GONE DOWN. ALMOST 7800. >> RIGHT, BECAUSE WE STARTED LIMITING IT, NOT BECAUSE THERE IS LESS TRUST. >> RIGHT. >> I DECIDE AN EMAIL THAT CHRONICLED THE ROSEMARY RENOVATIONS THAT ARE GOING, OR [01:00:02] JUST STARTED. >> YES, SIR? >> YOU MIGHT WANT TO DO THAT FOR THE PUBLIC, TELL THEM WHAT THAT MEANS. >> THANK YOU. SO, WHAT IS GOING ON, THE FACILITIES AT ROSEMARY HILL, THE TRANSFER STATIONS, ARE OVER 30 YEARS OLD. AND CONCRETE AND ASPHALT WEAROUT IN THAT SPAN OF TIME. SO, WHAT IS CAUSING OUR DELAYS RIGHT NOW, AND GOING INTO NEXT WEEK, IS WE ARE GOING TO REPAIR A SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF THE TIPPED FLOOR IN THE CLASS ONE, WHICH IS THE WEST GARBAGE, THE HOUSEHOLD WASTE BUILDING. AND WHAT IT MEANS, SO THEY HAVE HAD TO TEAR OUT CONCRETE, WE HAVE REPORTED IT, IT NEEDS TO SIT IN HERE FOR THREE DAYS AND THEN WE WILL TEAR OUT THE OTHER HALF AND DO THAT. BUT, IN THE MEANTIME, IT MEANS WE CAN DROP ONE TO TRUCK AT A TIME WHEN NORMALLY WE CAN DO TWO TRUCKS AT A TIME, SO THAT IS WHAT THE BACKUP IS. WE ARE DIVERTING AS MUCH AS WE CAN TO THE ROLLOFF CONTAINERS, OR TO THE CENTER OF THE BUILDING, WHEN APPROPRIATE. BUT, UNFORTUNATELY, CURBING PREVENTS US FROM TAKING WET WASTE TO THAT BUILDING. SO, WE ASK FOR PATIENCE. WE ARE DOING AS MUCH AS WE CAN. IT WAS POURED TODAY OVER THE FIRST HALF, BUT LIKE I SAID, IT HAS TO SIT FOR THREE DAYS TO CURE, THEN WE CAN GET IN, AND THEY WILL BUST OUT THE OTHER HALF AND POUR IT. SO, IT WILL BE THE MIDDLE OF NEXT WEEK BEFORE THE REPAIRS. >> THREE DAYS, OR 30? >> THREE DAYS, MINIMUM. >> THREE DAYS, MINIMUM? >> WELL, I CERTAINLY THINK THAT FCC IS DOING A GOOD JOB FOR OUR RESIDENTS. I AM SURE IF YOU ARE ONE OF THE ONES WITH THE MIST PICKUP, YOU DON'T THINK THAT AND WE UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT, TO COMMISSIONER RENNINGER'S POINT, WE ARE NOT GETTING THOSE PHONE CALLS. MY UNDERSTANDING IS ST. JOHN'S IS REVISITING THE CONTRACT BECAUSE THINGS HAVE GONE SO WELL HERE, IN CLAY. SO, I JUST WANT TO COMMEND YOU, AND YOUR STAFF, AND THE S.E.C. PEOPLE FOR WORKING WITH US, YOU KNOW, TO GET THAT INFORMATION OUT TO THE PUBLIC FOR WHAT TO DO WHEN THEY DO HAVE AN ISSUE. THE RIGHT ANSWER IS NOT TO GO TAKE YOUR MATTRESS AND DROP IT ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD, OR -- YOU KNOW, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THERE HAVE BEEN PEOPLE IN MIDDLEBURG TAKING THEIR EXTRA TRASH AND PUTTING IT IN THE DUMPSTERS AT THE PARK AND WHO YOU ARE HURTING IS THE KIDS, BECAUSE THOSE DUMPSTERS ARE NOT DUMPED BY THE COUNTY. THOSE DUMPSTERS ARE BOUGHT AND PAID FOR BY THE ASSOCIATION THAT LEASES THAT FROM US. SO, PLEASE DON'T DO THAT. AND I DON'T KNOW IF PEOPLE -- I HAVEN'T GOTTEN ANY MORE BUSINESS CALLS FOR THEIR DUMPSTERS, BUT THEY PAY FOR THAT, TOO. SO, THE -- DO SOMETHING PROPER WITH YOUR TRASH. >> UNAUTHORIZED USE OF DUMPSTERS INVESTIGATIONS HAVE GONE UP WITH THAT, AS WELL. >> OKAY. >> THAT'S ANOTHER RISK, TOO. >> YEAH. >> IT IS ILLEGAL TO DO THAT, AND YOU ARE SUBJECT TO HAVING A DEPUTY AT YOUR DOOR, IF THE BUSINESS HAS CAMERAS AND THEY CAN TRACK YOU. >> OH, WELL, THAT WOULD NOT BE A VISIT THAT THEY WOULD PROBABLY WANT TO HAVE. >> IT'S NOT A GOOD THING. [21.  RFQ No. 24/25-052, Professional Architectural Services for the Oakleaf Library Presentations (K. Smith] >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FOR MILTON? THANK YOU, MILTON. WE APPRECIATE THAT UPDATE. IT IS AFTER 5:00. SO, WE WILL MOVE TO ITEM NUMBER 21, THE FIRST ITEM ON OUR AGENDA IS THE RFQ NUMBER 24/25-052, PROFESSIONAL ARCHITECTURAL SERVICES FOR THE OAKLEAF LIBRARY PRESENTATIONS, THIS IS A CARRYOVER FROM OUR LAST AGENDA. COMMISSIONER COMPERE ASKED TO HAVE THESE PRESENTATIONS, AND WE ARE GOING TO START WITH KAREN SMITH, OUR DIRECTOR OF PURCHASING. >> GOOD AFTERNOON. SO, YES, THIS IS PRESENTATIONS FROM THE TOP FIVE FIRMS FOR THE OAKLEAF LIBRARY. WE WERE EXCITED TO GET NINE FIRMS THAT RESPONDED, ALL VERY QUALIFIED. SO, I THINK THAT IS WHAT LED TO THE PRESENTATIONS THAT WERE CLOSE TO SCORING -- AT LEAST THE TOP FIVE WERE. SO, THIS WILL BE SIMILAR TO WHAT WE DO. EACH TIME WE HAVE PRESENTATIONS, WE WILL DO THESE IN ALPHABETICAL ORDER, AND AT THE END, WE WILL DO ROLLCALL WHERE YOU WILL SCORE THEM, FROM 1 TO 5 WITH ONE BEING YOUR TOP-RANKED FIRM. WITH THAT, WE WILL START IN ORDER. I BELIEVE ALL FIRMS ARE HERE, I DIDN'T GET TO TOUCH BASE WITH EACH ONE, BUT ALPHABETICAL ORDER, AND WE WILL START WITH AKEL LOGAN SHAFER -- AND I PROBABLY WILL NOT PRONOUNCE THESE FIRMS CORRECTLY. SO, I WILL LET THEM DO A PROPER INTRODUCTION. AND WHILE YOU ARE COMING UP, WE WOULD LIKE TO ASK ALL OF OUR [01:05:01] FIRMS, DID YOU GIVE THEM A TIMEFRAME? >> IT WAS FIVE MINUTES. >> FIVE MINUTES, THAT'S RIGHT. >> AND THAT WILL BE QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS. >> OKAY, PERFECT. WE DO HAVE FIVE OF YOU AND A FULL AGENDA AFTER YOU, SO WE WANT TO ASK YOU TO PLEASE BE RESPECTFUL OF TIME. THANK YOU. YOU HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO CAME UP WITH YOU, SO I WAS JUST A LITTLE NERVOUS. >> SEE IF THE SLIDING THING ON THE SIDE -- OH, YOU ARE ON, SIR. THEY CAN HEAR YOU ONLINE. YES, I AM GETTING THE THUMBS UP. >> OKAY. >> NO, NOW YOU ARE OFF. CAN YOU SLIDE THAT THING AGAIN? >> THERE WE GO. >> IS IT ON NOW? TEST? >> THERE WE GO. HI. TECHNOLOGY IS AN AMAZING THING, WHEN IT WORKS, RIGHT? >> IT IS, THANK YOU. BUT, I HAVE A WONDERFUL -- WE HAVE WONDERFUL ERIC IN THE BACK WHO GIVES A THUMBS UP, OR LIGHTS ON, SO WE HAVE OUR WAYS OF KNOWING. >> YOU MAY HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE, BUT WE DO NOT. >> OKAY, THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU FOR HAVING US HERE THIS EVENING, I AM BILL SHEAFFER, WE ARE HERE FROM AKEL LOGAN SHAFER ARCHITECTS AND WE HAVE WITH US THIS EVENING, OUR ENTIRE TEAM JUST SHOWCASING HOW ENTHUSIASTICALLY EXCITED WE ARE WITH THIS. BILL BISHOP, MY PARTNER, AND BEHIND ME, WE HAVE ART HILL, AND CLIFFS SCIENCE, MECHANICAL AND PLUMBING ENGINEER, AND BEHIND THAT, WE HAVE SABRINA JUSTICE FROM CONNOLLY WICKER, OUR CIVIL ENGINEER. AND, WILLIAM MORGAN FOR AES, OUR STRUCTURAL ENGINEERS. IN CASE ANYBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS AFTERWARDS. BUT, IN THE INTEREST OF TIME, I KNOW YOU ALL HAVE SEEN OUR ORIGINAL PROPOSAL, AND SO WE WON'T RECAPTURE TOO MUCH OF THAT, AT THIS POINT. SUFFICE IT TO SAY, THAT WE ARE A 60-YEAR-OLD FIRM THAT HAS BEEN IN BUSINESS IN NORTH FLORIDA AND FOR THAT ENTIRE TIME, WE HAVE DESIGNED PUBLIC PROJECTS FOR STATE, COUNTY, AND LOCAL GOVERNMENTS THROUGHOUT NORTH FLORIDA, WE JUST HAVEN'T HAD THE PLEASURE OF WORKING WITH CLAY COUNTY, YET. ALTHOUGH, WE HAVE DONE A LOT OF WORK IN CLAY COUNTY, WE JUST HAVEN'T HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO WORK WITH YOU. BUT, OUR FOCUS IS ON SERVICE. WE ATTEMPT TO DESIGN HIGH QUALITY, AESTHETICALLY PLEASING STRUCTURES THAT ARE DURABLE, ENERGY EFFICIENT, LOW MAINTENANCE, AND WILL RECEIVE BY THE COMMUNITIES THAT THEY ARE PLACED IN. SO, THAT, TO US, IS WHAT THIS IS ALL ABOUT. AND IT GOES DIRECTLY TO OUR DESIGN PROCESS, AND HOW WOULD LIKE TO DO THINGS, SUBJECT TO HOW YOU HAVE IN MIND, WAYS THAT YOU LIKE TO DO THINGS. WE HAVE FOUND, OVER THE YEARS, THAT DOING AN INTERACTIVE DESIGN PROCESS WITH THE OWNERS, THE USERS, PUBLIC MEETINGS TO GET VISIONING INPUT, AS WELL AS DESIGN INPUT FROM THE COMMUNITY THAT IS GOING TO USE THIS BUILDING, LEADS DESIGN SOLUTIONS VERY RAPIDLY, WITH A LOT OF BUY-IN, BECAUSE THE PEOPLE INVOLVED TAKE OWNERSHIP IN THE PROCESS, AND THEN THEY GET EXCITED ABOUT IT, AND THEN THEY WANT IT TO HAPPEN. WE HAVE HAD GREAT SUCCESS WITH THAT OVER THE YEARS, AND IF THAT IS SOMETHING THAT YOU ARE INTERESTED IN DOING, WE ARE VERY WELL VERSED ON HOW TO DO THAT, WE DO THAT WITH MOST OF OUR PUBLIC, LARGE-SCALE, IMPORTANT PRODUCTS LIKE THAT. WHAT WOULD LIKE TO TALK ABOUT WITH RESPECT TO HOW WE OPERATE IS THE SOLUTION TEAM. WE ARE ALL IN THIS TOGETHER. YOU ARE THE OWNER. IT IS YOUR BUILDING. OUR JOB IS TO HELP YOU IMPLEMENT A SUCCESSFUL SOLUTION, AND THAT INCLUDES NOT ONLY YOU, THE OWNER, US, AS THE DESIGNER, BUT THE BUILDING ENTITY THAT IS GOING TO DO THIS PROJECT FOR YOU. WHICH LEADS TO A COUPLE OF THINGS IN THAT REGARD. IT IS OUR UNDERSTANDING THAT YOU ARE LOOKING AT THE CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT AND RISK METHOD OF CONSTRUCTION. WE ARE VERY FAMILIAR WITH WORKING IN THAT ENVIRONMENT, WE HAVE BEEN DOING IT FOR OVER 30 YEARS. IT HAS BEEN VERY POPULAR IN THE PUBLIC SECTOR, RECENTLY. OVER THE LAST FIVE YEARS, I WOULD SAY, VIRTUALLY EVERY PUBLIC PROJECT WE HAVE DONE HAS BEEN DONE THROUGH CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT, SO WE ARE IN FAVOR OF THAT METHOD, WE LIKE DOING IT. IT IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU TO SELECT YOUR BUILDER IN A MANNER OTHER THAN THE LOW BID. YOU DO IT THROUGH QUALIFICATIONS WHICH ALLOWS YOU TO BE SELECTIVE IN HOW YOU DO IT. IF DONE PROPERLY, IT ALLOWS THEM TO COME TO THE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR BETTER BUILD ABILITY, BETTER SCHEDULING, AND BETTER COST CONTROL, BECAUSE THEY ARE THE ONES THAT GOING TO WITHOUT THE SUB TRADES THAT YOU HAVE TO DO ANYWAY, SO BRINGING THAT PROCESS IN EARLIER ALLOWS THE PROCESS TO HAVE BETTER COST CONTROL FROM THE BEGINNING AS OPPOSED TO WAITING UNTIL THE END. WE HAVE A VERY GOOD TRACK RECORD ON OUR OWN, FROM A CONSTRUCTION ESTIMATED STANDPOINT, MOST OF OUR PROJECTS COME IN WITHIN A FEW OF WHAT THE BUDGET IS, WE GET PRETTY CLOSE TO IT. BUT, THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO HAVE THE ACTUAL PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO DO IT. THEY ARE CLOSER TO THE MARKET BECAUSE THEY BUILD THINGS. SO, WE ARE VERY USED TO DOING THAT, WE ARE VERY FAMILIAR WITH IT, AND, QUITE FRANKLY, I THINK IT IS A GOOD WAY TO GO FOR A PROJECT LIKE THIS. OH, YEAH. IT [01:10:08] ALLOWS YOU TO MANAGE THE SCHEDULING A LITTLE BIT BETTER, JUST BECAUSE FROM A CONSTRUCTIBILITY STANDPOINT, THEY ARE ABLE TO TELL YOU WHAT MATERIALS ARE AVAILABLE SOONER RATHER THAN LATER AND IT CAN ALL BE FACTORED INTO THE DESIGN PROCESS AS WE GO ALONG. NOW, IN THE INTEREST OF TIME, THAT IS PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING WE NEED TO SAY AT THIS POINT. WE HAVEN'T HAD THE OPPORTUNITY, AS I SAID, AGAIN, TO WORK WITH THE COUNTY. WE WOULD LOVE TO DO IT. ALL OF OUR PERTINENT INFORMATION IS IN OUR PACKAGE, YOU HAVE IT, YOU CAN REFERENCE IT, YOU CAN TALK TO ANY OF OUR CLIENTS ON HOW WE RESPOND TO THINGS. WE ARE RIGHT HERE IN THE COMMUNITY, 30 MINUTES AWAY FROM YOUR OFFICE, SO WE HAVE NO PROBLEM GETTING TO WHERE WE NEED TO GO. AND WITH THAT, I WILL THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME, AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, WE WOULD LOVE TO ENTERTAIN THEM. >> OKAY, THANK YOU. QUESTIONS? >> ALL RIGHT. >> GOOD? ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> ALL RIGHT. NEXT, WE WILL HAVE BORRELLI + PARTNERS. >> EVENING. IT'S A PLEASURE TO BE HERE. GOOD EVENING. HAPPY TO BE HERE. THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY. >> YOU MAKE SURE YOU WERE SPEAKING RIGHT INTO THAT MICROPHONE? >> YES, MA'AM. IS THAT BETTER? >> YES, THAT IS BETTER. THANK YOU. >> SO, I WILL JUMP FROM INTRODUCTIONS TO PRESENTATIONS, IF I CAN FIGURE OUT HOW THIS WORKS. THERE WE GO. I AM GEORGE BRILEY, THE PRINCIPAL IN CHARGE OF BORRELLI + PARTNERS ARCHITECTS. WE ARE YOUR SECOND-RANKED FIRM BY ONE POINT AND WE ARE VERY EXCITED TO, HOPEFULLY, CONVINCE YOU TO SELECT US. HERE WITH ME IS A SENIOR ASSOCIATE WITH OUR FIRM OF REGISTERED ARCHITECTS, AND WILL BE THE POINT OF CONTACT AND YOUR DAY TO DAY PROJECT MANAGER. NOT WITH US IS DAN MICHAEL TURBO FITCH, A LEADER IN PROFESSIONAL IN ARCHITECTURE, WHO WILL BE HELPING SONNY WITH THE QA QC AS WELL AS LOOKING WITH A KEEN EYE ON THE SUSTAINABILITY ASPECTS OF DISPARATE PROJECT. AND CHRIS RICE, WILL BE HANDLING IN ARCHITECTURE. OTHER TEAMS MAKE UP TLC, KOI ENGINEERING, ACROSS THE STREET, A LOCAL FIRM, KALEIDOSCOPES INTERIOR DESIGNER, SURVEYING, SOUTHEAST SURVEYING, AND OUR ENVIRONMENTAL AND ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT ELEMENTS IS OUR COST ESTIMATOR ALLIANCE, THESE ARE FIRMS THAT WE WORK COLLECTIVELY WITH ON A LOT OF PROJECTS, AND WE HAVE A WORKING RELATIONSHIP TO HIT THE GROUND RUNNING. I AM GOING TO TOUCH ON OUR PROXIMITY AND COMMITMENT BECAUSE THIS IS AN IMPORTANT ASPECT, WE BELIEVE. YOU CAN SEE THAT WE ARE CONVENIENTLY AND STRATEGICALLY LOCATED IN CENTRAL FLORIDA AND ORLANDO AND WE HAVE WORKED AS FAR NORTH AS JACKSONVILLE, HAVING COMPLETED THE STUDENT WELLNESS COMPLEX AND AQUATIC FACILITY FOR YOU AND F, AND AS FAR DOWN AS SOUTH FLORIDA AND MIAMI. HAVING COMPLETED A LIBRARY IN THE HEART OF THE ARTS DISTRICT WITH ROBERT STERN. AND EVEN CURRENTLY ON THE WEST COAST, WITH SARASOTA COUNTY AND LONGBOAT KEY, WHERE WE ARE CURRENTLY DESIGNING THAT LIBRARY, WORKING VERY COLLABORATIVELY WITH THEM AND CONSEQUENTLY, IT IS ABOUT THE SAME DISTANCE BETWEEN HERE AND ORLANDO, AS IT IS BETWEEN OUR ORLANDO OFFICE AND LONGBOAT KEY, BUT IT IS A LOT EASIER, BELIEVE ME, A LOT EASIER TO GET HERE AND A LOT QUICKER. TRAFFIC IS HORRIBLE. WE HAVE WORKED COLLECTIVELY WITH THEM FOR TWO PUBLIC PRESENTATIONS AS WELL AS HELPING THEM WITH THEIR CURRENT FUNDRAISING EFFORT, WHICH IS ABOUT READY TO GET WRAPPED UP, WHICH WILL ALLOW THEM TO BUILD A BIGGER PROJECT FOR THEIR COMMUNITY. AND OUR COMMITMENT REALLY IS TO EVERY CLIENT. WE -- IT DOESN'T MATTER WHERE YOU ARE LOCATED -- WE ARE COMMITTED TO MEETING YOUR GOALS AND YOUR PROGRAMMATIC EXPECTATIONS. UNFORTUNATELY, WE ARE IN A SCORING CATEGORY WITH A FIRM OUT OF IOWA, AND TAMPA, AND C&P, SO WE HOPE THAT IS NOT GOING TO BE A CRITICAL FACTOR FOR YOU. I AM GOING TO TURN IT OVER -- OH, NOT QUITE YET. I'M SORRY. THIS SLIDE REPRESENTS SOME OF OUR RECENT AND CURRENT EXPERIENCE. WE ARE CURRENTLY WORKING ON THREE PROJECTS FOR THE ORLANDO ORANGE COUNTY LIBRARY SYSTEM. THEIR FLAGSHIP DOWNTOWN LIBRARY -- WE ARE WORKING ON THE RENOVATION OF THAT PROJECT AS WELL AS THEIR TOURIST NEWEST LIBRARIES, WHICH THEY HAVEN'T BUILT ONE IN ALMOST A CENTURY, AND THE BOOKENDS ON BOTH ENDS OF THE COUNTY, HORIZON WEST, A RAPIDLY GROWING COMMUNITY AND THE LAKE NONA LIBRARY, AS YOU SEE IN THE CENTER. I TOUCHED ON LONGBOAT KEY AND MIAMI BEACH, BUT I HAVE INCLUDED THREE OTHER, FOUR OTHER PROJECTS THAT ARE VERY SIMILAR IN NATURE, VERY [01:15:01] SIMILAR ELEMENTS WITH COMMUNITY ROOMS, READING ROOMS, AND SMALL LIBRARY ROOMS WITHIN THEM. NOW, I WILL TURN IT OVER TO SONNY TO TOUCH ON SOME OF THESE PROJECTS, SPECIFICALLY. >> GOOD AFTERNOON. AT BORRELLI + PARTNERS, WE BELIEVE PURPOSEFUL DESIGN IS GOOD IN THE COMMUNITY. STARTING HERE WITH HORIZON WEST LIBRARY, ONE OF THE IMPORTANT THINGS THAT WE BELIEVE IS COLLABORATION, SO WORKING WITH A LIBRARY, AND IN PRESENTATIONS TO THE COMMUNITY. A STORY EVOLVED AND THE STORY WAS ABOUT LAKE WALES RIDGE AND THE UNIQUE ECOSYSTEM, THE FLORA FAUNA, AND THE TOPOGRAPHY THAT EXISTS THERE. FROM THAT, WE DEVELOPED A STORY AND THAT WAS A STORY THAT SORT OF LED THE DESIGN OF THE LIBRARY. IN THIS CASE, WE SORT OF AS A SITE WITHIN A 250 ACRE PARK, WE WERE ABLE TO LOCATE A BUILDING IN THE PLACE WHERE WE BELIEVE IT SHOULD BE, RIGHT? ECOLOGY. AND THEN, WE WERE ABLE TO UNCOVER STORIES ABOUT THE PLACE. THERE WAS A RARE BEAD THAT EXISTED THERE, AND THAT BECAME A THEMATIC ELEMENT FOR THEM. SO, IT WAS ONE PIECE OF A LARGER SORT OF REPOSITORY OF INFORMATION THEY COULD DRAW ON. THIS, RIGHT HERE, IS THE LAKE NOT A LIBRARY. WITH THIS LIBRARY, AGAIN, PRESENTATIONS, COLLABORATIONS WITH THE USERS, TO DEVELOP A STORY THAT IS UNIQUE TO THE PLACE IT SITS. IN THIS CASE, THE LAKE NONA LIBRARY, OBVIOUSLY, THE AIRPORT, TECHNOLOGY, INNOVATION, WERE SOME OF THE DRIVING ELEMENTS IN THE DESIGN OF THIS LIBRARY. AND IN FACT, YOU KNOW, I AM PRETTY PROUD OF THIS ONE BECAUSE THE ELEVATION IS IS A NOD TO TECHNOLOGY, IT IS A PUNCH CARD, AND IF YOU EVER GET TO VISIT THE PLACE, YOU KNOW THAT IT GOES THERE, RESPECT, AND INTEGRITY, AND EXCELLENCE, THAT IS WHAT YOU WILL SEE THERE. THIS NEXT PROJECT HAS VERY SIMILAR ELEMENTS TO THE LIBRARIES, BUT THIS ALSO CONTAINS A HISTORIC RENOVATION PORTION. THIS WAS A 1926 BUILDING THAT INCLUDED AN ADDITION, SO SOME OF THE SIMILAR ELEMENTS TO A LIBRARY THAT YOU HAVE, IN THIS CASE, WHERE THE MEETING SPACES, COLLABORATION SPACES, COMPUTER AREAS. SO, WE SHARE A LOT OF SIMILAR ELEMENTS AS THE LIBRARIES. >> BRIEF AND TO THE POINT, SO I WILL CLOSE AND LEAVE YOU WITH SOME THOUGHTS IS WHY YOU WOULD LIKE US AS YOUR TEAM. WE HAVE COMPLETED MULTIPLE LIBRARIES, SOME HERE WE WERE NOT ABLE TO SHOW, BUT WE HAVE OTHER PROJECTS THAT HAVE BEEN COMPLETED. WE ARE COMMITTED TO MEETING YOUR BUDGET, YOUR PROGRAMMATIC GOALS AND YOUR SCHEDULE ON THIS PROJECT AND OUR TEAM HAS WORKING EXPERIENCE TOGETHER WE ARE A COLLABORATIVE FIRM. WE LISTEN TO YOU. OUR PROJECT IS YOUR PROJECT AND IT WILL REFLECT YOUR GOALS, YOUR DESIRES, AND THE ARCHITECTURAL CHARACTER YOU EXPECT. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. QUESTIONS FOR BORRELLI + PARTNERS? FROM STAFF? >> I DO. >> OKAY. >> THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. I APPRECIATE YOUR PRESENTATION TONIGHT. I COULDN'T HELP BUT NOTICE A COUPLE OF THINGS -- I REALLY DO APPRECIATE YOU RAISING THE POINT AS TO MEETING THE SCHEDULE AND WORKING WITHIN THE BUDGET. I GUESS THE BIGGEST QUESTION MARK IS, I AM SEEING THE PROJECTS YOU DECIDED TO HIGHLIGHT, AND TODAY REFLECT A LARGER FOOTPRINT IN A LARGER BUDGET? AND I DON'T HAVE -- AND I KNOW THAT YOU HAVE WHAT OUR PARAMETERS ARE, SO I AM CURIOUS, WHAT PROJECTS HAVE YOU WORKED ON THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH, HERE? >> WELL, WE HAVE COMPLETED OTHER, SMALLER LIBRARIES AND LIBRARY RENOVATIONS FOR THE UNIVERSITY OF CENTRAL FLORIDA AND WEREN'T ABLE TO ADD THEM TO THE PRESENTATION, BUT THAT IS A SIMILAR SIZED PROJECTS. IN TERMS OF WHAT WE HAVE SHOWN -- YOU WANTED TO ADD THAT LONGBOAT, MAYBE SIMILAR? >> YEAH, SO, IN MY OPINION, THE SCALE OF THE LIBRARY, SOME MAY BE LARGER, SOME MAY BE SMALLER, BUT THEY ALL SHARE VERY COMMON ELEMENTS, LIKE A COLLECTION SPACE, COMPUTER AREAS, MEETING ROOMS. MAYBE THERE ARE MAKER SPACES, IF YOU INTEND TO HAVE THOSE. SO, THE PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE SHOWN TODAY ARE 20,000 SQUARE FEET, BUT I BELIEVE THAT THE EXAMPLE GEORGE MENTIONED, SARASOTA, THERE WAS A 9000, AND EVEN UP TO 12,000 SQUARE FEET, BUT THERE ARE SIMILARITIES, I GUESS IT DEPENDS ON HOW WE WORK [01:20:02] WITH THE LIBRARY AND SEE HOW THOSE FUNCTIONS AND WHAT THE SIZE OF THOSE MAY BE. SO, I BELIEVE THAT IN SCALE, THERE ARE A LOT OF SIMILARITIES. >> I AM INCLINED TO AGREE WITH YOU. IT'S JUST, I'M LOOKING AT WHAT YOU PROVIDED, WE ARE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO FIT IN A GYMNASIUM, A YOGA STUDIO, A POTTERY STUDIO, MULTIUSE CHARACTER AREA AND KITCHEN, GRAND COURTYARD. LIKE, THOSE THINGS ARE NOT GOING TO BE -- I'M TRYING TO -- YOU GUYS RANKED HIGH ON THE LIST, SO I AM WANTING TO GIVE YOU A FAIR SHAKE IN HOW WE CAN BRING SOMETHING THAT IS MORE FEASIBLE TO THE DISTRICT. >> BASICALLY, THE PROJECT YOU DESCRIBED WAS GRANT AVENUE AND WHILE IT HAD A LOT MORE L EVANS, LIKE A POTTERY STUDIO, THAT FULL-SIZED GYM, IT HAD OTHER ELEMENTS THAT WERE VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT WOULD BE IN YOUR PROGRAM AND OTHER LIBRARY PROGRAMS AS MEETING ROOMS, STUDY ROOMS, COMPUTER ROOMS, SOMETIMES SOME OF THE LIBRARIES HAVE MAKER SPACES, AS WELL AS EVERYTHING FROM SEWING CLASSES, TO LEARN HOW TO FLY A DRONE IN THE LIBRARY. SO, IT IS REALLY THE PROGRAM. YOU CAN HAVE A 20,000 SQUARE FOOT FACILITY OR YOU COULD HAVE A 10,000 SQUARE-FOOT FACILITY. YOU MIGHT HAVE SIMILAR PROGRAMS, THEY ARE JUST GOING TO BE SMALLER IN SCALE. WE REALLY JUST NEED TO MEET WITH YOU, GO THROUGH THE PROGRAMMING AND UNDERSTAND REALLY WHAT YOUR PRIORITIES ARE AND WHAT TYPE OF SPACE YOU WANT AND THEN WE WILL MAKE SURE IT IS THE RIGHT SIZE FOR YOUR BUDGET AND FOR THE COMMUNITY. >> ALL RIGHT. >> THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR PIRELLI? ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> NEXT, WE WILL HEAR FROM FLEISCHMAN AND GARCIA & PLANNERS. >> ALL RIGHT, GOOD AFTERNOON. PRESIDENT AND DIRECTOR OF DESIGN AT AYE. SEVEN AND WITH ME I HAVE RICH EMERSON, PROJECT MANAGER, MANAGING PRINCIPAL, AND DANIELLE YOUNG, CIVIL ENGINEER. ORIGINALLY, THIS PRESENTATION WAS 10 MINUTES, SO I WILL GO THROUGH IT VERY QUICKLY. LAUGHTER ] IN OUR FIRM, WE HAVE SEVEN OFFICES ACROSS FLORIDA, WE HAVE BEEN DESIGNING FOR OVER TWO DECADES, AND WE HAVE SEVERAL PROJECTS OF A SIMILAR SIZE AND SIMILAR SCOPE AS THE LIBRARY AND ALSO THE BLITHE LIBRARY, WHICH IS A TWO STORY LIBRARY, WITH COMMUNITY ROOMS, AND MEETING SPACES, AND READING ROOMS. THE REAR VIEW LIBRARY, ALSO IN THE COMMUNITY, DESIGNED WITH THAT OF FLORIDA ARCHITECTURAL STYLE, WE PROVIDE ALL OF THE RENDERINGS, ALL OF THE TOOLS FOR ENGAGEMENT FOR STAKEHOLDERS WITHIN THE COMMUNITY AND ALSO USE 3-D MODELS TO HELP PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THE PROJECTS BETTER. WE ALSO USE TECHNOLOGY TO ANALYZE HEAT GAIN, ENERGY USAGE OF THE LIBRARY SO THAT THEY ARE MORE SUSTAINABLE WITHOUT ANY ADDED COSTS. I MENTIONED WE HAVE SEVEN OFFICES ACROSS FLORIDA INCLUDING ONE IN JACKSONVILLE AND WHERE THIS PROJECT WOULD BE BASED OUT OF, I WOULD BE THE PERSON INVOLVED WITH RICH, AND ALSO HOLLY WILL BE HERE, SHE RUNS THE JACKSONVILLE OFFICE. WE WILL ALSO HAVE IN-HOUSE LIBRARY MYSELF AND KEENAN, WHO WILL BE INVOLVED IN THIS PROJECT AND THE FORMER DIRECTOR OF PENSACOLA COUNTY LIBRARIES, ALSO. IN ALL THE YEARS I HAVE WORKED WITH CLAY COUNTY, I HAVE NOT, SO WE ARE LOOKING FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU AND PROVIDING OPPORTUNITIES TO EVERYONE, SO WE ARE REALLY AVAILABLE TO WORK WITH YOU RIGHT NOW, AND TOMORROW, SO WE HAVE PROVIDED A LONG LIST OF REFERENCES, FOR ALL THE LIBRARIES WE HAVE DONE. WE HAVE BUILT RELATIONSHIPS WITH OUR CLIENTS IN OUR COMMUNITIES. WE HAVE BEEN FEATURED IN LIBRARY JOURNAL AND OTHER MAGAZINES FOR LIBRARIES. ALL OF OUR LIBRARIES SHOWN ARE IN BUDGET AND ON TIME AND BECAUSE WE ALIGNED THE SCOPE AND BUDGET FROM THE START, IT WOULDN'T MOVE TO THE NEXT PHASE UNTIL IT IS UNDER BUDGET, AND ALSO KEEP TRACK OF SCHEDULE. WE HAVE OUTLINED ALL THE KEY DECISIONS THAT HAVE TO BE MADE FOR THE PROCESS, SO THAT YOU KNOW WHEN THAT HAPPENS. SO, IN TERMS OF THE LIBRARY, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE PROVIDE YOU THE FLEXIBILITY TO EVOLVE WITH THE COMMUNITY, THE FUTURE READY, MAKING SURE IT IS A WELCOMING, INVITING PLACE, MAKING SURE IT IS THE RIGHT TECHNOLOGY FOR THIS LIBRARY. ALL OF THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF TECHNOLOGY YOU USE FOR LIBRARIES, SO MAKE SURE YOU PROVIDE THE CORRECT TECHNOLOGY [01:25:01] BECAUSE THERE ARE SO MANY DIFFERENT ONES OUT THERE NOWADAYS. WE WANT TO WORK WITH THE LIBRARY LEADERSHIP TEAM TO MAKE SURE WE ARE EFFICIENT IN THE GOALS WITH THIS PROCESS AND WE REACH THOSE GOALS. AND THE PROGRAM WILL ALSO ENGAGE WITH LIBRARY STAFF TO MAKE SURE THAT WE UNDERSTAND THE LIBRARY PROCESS TO MAKE SURE WE UNDERSTAND HOW YOUR LIBRARY FUNCTIONS AND HOW WE CAN IMPROVE IT IN THIS LIBRARY AND ALSO ENGAGE WITH THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT FOR THE ASPIRATIONS FOR THE COMMUNITY FOR THIS PROJECT. SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THIS PRODUCT HAS A NICE FLOW FOR LIBRARY STAFF, LIBRARY PATIENTS, MAKE SURE THE LIBRARY PATRONS CAN HAVE THEIR OWN JOURNEY THROUGHOUT THE LIBRARY, MAKING SURE THAT IS A PROJECT THAT IS ON BUDGET, ON-TIME, AND THE SAME TEAM WILL BE FROM THE BEGINNING TO THE END, AS WELL. SO, THERE IS A CHANGE IN TEAM TWO OTHER PROJECTS. WE WORK WITH A CM TO MAKE SURE WE UNDERSTAND THE BEST VALUE OF WHAT OUR CURRENT TRENDS ARE IN THE MARKETS, TO MAKE SURE THIS IS THE BEST PROJECT. YOU ALSO SAW THE WEST CHAPEL LIBRARY, THAT IS A GREAT EXAMPLE THERE WHERE WE HAD THAT CREATED SPACE FOR THE LIBRARY. WE ENGAGED THE LIBRARY FOR THAT SPACE AND THE COMMUNITY TO MAKE SURE IT WAS A SUCCESSFUL PROJECT. AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, WE HIGHLIGHTED ALSO, BOOKSHELVES, AND NOT JUST BOOK SHELVES FOR BOOKS, BUT ALSO PLACES FOR PEOPLE TO ENGAGE THAT CAN BECOME BENCHES, TABLES FOR THE COMMUNITY, THAT CAN BE INDOOR, OUTDOOR BOOKSHELVES, AS WELL, AND REALLY ENGAGING WITH THE COMMUNITY AND THE GREEN SPACE IN FRONT OF THIS FOR YOUR PROJECT, SO THIS WAS ALL DONE THROUGH THE ENGAGEMENT WITH THE COMMUNITY AND THE LIBRARY STAFF. SO, WE LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR QUESTIONS AND WE ARE VERY ENGAGED WITH LIBRARIES, VERY EXCITED ABOUT THIS PROJECT, AND WE WILL BE WORKING RIGHT HERE, IN THIS AREA. >> THANK YOU. >> COMMISSIONER SGROMOLO? >> THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION. SO, TWO QUESTIONS. IN YOUR PRESENTATION, THE RIVERVIEW PUBLIC LIBRARY AND THE WESLEY CHAPEL, YOU HAD THAT COST AT $8.5 MILLION AND $5.5 MILLION -- ARE THOSE RENOVATIONS OR NEW BUILDS? >> NEW BUILDINGS. >> SO, YOU CAN ACTUALLY BUILD A BUILDING TODAY FOR $5 MILLION? BECAUSE SO FAR, WE HAVE NEVER HEARD ANYBODY SO -- >> SO, THEY ARE ALL -- WE WORK WITH COUNTIES, SO WE KNOW IT IS ALL BUDGET DRIVEN AND VERY LOW COST PER SQUARE FOOT SO WE MAKE SURE THAT IS ALIGNED FROM THE START. FIRST OF ALL, WESLEY CHAPEL LIBRARY WAS ORIGINALLY SUPPOSED TO BE A BIGGER LIBRARY BACK IN 2006. IT WAS PUT ON HOLD IN 2008, CAME BACK A FEW YEARS AGO WITH THE SAME BUDGET AS 2006, SO WE HAD TO RIGHT SIZE THE LIBRARY TO MAKE SURE THAT IT FITS WITHIN THE BUDGETS. >> DO YOU KNOW OFF THE TOP OF YOUR HEAD HOW MANY SQUARE FOOT THE WESLEY CHAPEL ONE IS? >> THAT ONE IS 14,000? OR, 12,000? >> 12,375. >> THAT IS VERY CLOSE TO -- OH, IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE TWICE THAT SIZE? >> YEAH, IT IS SUPPOSED TO BE 25,000, SO WE ENDED UP HAVING TO MAKE THE SPACES DO DOUBLE DUTY. WE HAVE A DEDICATED MAKER SPACE, MAKER SPACE VAN, DEDICATED PARKING SPOT, AND -- BE MAKING A MOVE UP TO THE MICROPHONE? >> SORRY. >> NO, THAT'S FINE. >> WE WEREN'T ABLE TO GET THE SQUARE FOOTAGE FOR THAT SO WE ENDED UP WITH A MULTIPURPOSE ROOM WITH A DEDICATED MAKER SPACE VAN, SO WE COULD COME IN AND BECOME THE MAKER SPACE WHEN IT NEEDS TO BE, AND ALSO WE CAN BE A MULTIPURPOSE ROOM WHEN IT IS NOT. THEM OF THE OTHER THINGS WE DID, WHERE DUPLICATING, AND WITH A LIBRARY OF THINGS,WE COULD ACTUALLY SHOW THAT OUT SO PEOPLE KNOW ABOUT IT, VERSUS HAVING NOT ANYWHERE TO SIT THAT IS ANYTHING BUT BOOKS. SIMILARLY, WE HAVE A FEEDING SPACE WHICH IS ALSO AN EARLY VOTING ROOM AND A CHILDREN'S AREA WITH MULTIPLE AREAS WHERE YOU CAN DO STORYTIME AND ALSO MULTIPLE THINGS WITHIN THAT AREA. >> HOW BIG IS THAT EARLY VOTING ROOM? THAT IS IMPORTANT, TOO. >> THAT ONE IS ABOUT 450 SQUARE FEET. IT IS NOT THE LARGEST, BUT -- >> DO THEY HAVE ONE AT ABOUT 1000 SQUARE FEET? >> I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY DO. IT IS PRETTY MUCH IN EVERY LIBRARY, THEY WILL HAVE AN EARLY VOTING SPACE, SO THEY HAVE THAT SPREAD OUT THROUGHOUT ALL THE LIBRARIES AND FACILITIES. >> OUR 1000 SQUARE FEET. >> NOTED. >> JUST A LITTLE TIDBIT. OKAY. >> SORRY, ONE LAST FOLLOW-UP ON THAT. SO, THE PROJECT, THE WESLEY CHAPEL PROJECT THAT SAYS IT IS IN PROGRESS, WHEN DID YOU BREAK GROUND ON THAT? >> WE BROKE GROUND -- WAS IT LAST APRIL? >> BECAUSE WE ALL KNOW, THE INFLATION HAPPENS VERY QUICKLY -- SO, THANKS. [01:30:01] >> OTHER QUESTIONS FURTHER THE COMMISSIONERS? >> REALLY QUICK, BLUE BEING, WHAT IS THAT? >> THAT IS A SOFTWARE WE USE TO PUT ALL OF OUR DRAWING TOGETHER FOR THE ENGINEERS. SO, WE DO THAT TWO WEEKS BEFORE THE END OF EACH PHASE TO MAKE SURE THE DRAWINGS THAT COME OUT OF THAT OFFICE ARE APPROPRIATELY CHECKED AND COORDINATED. >> OKAY, THANK YOU. >> OTHER QUESTIONS? >> YEAH, JUST THE ONE. WESLEY CHAPEL -- I MISSED IT. WHEN IS IT DUE TO BE COMPLETED? >> THIS FIRST ONE WILL BE DONE NEXT MONTH, AND THE BOOKS AND FURNITURE WILL BE ORDERED LATER, SO COMING IN BY OCTOBER? >> YEAH, THE COUNTY HAS COORDINATED THE FUNCTIONS FOR THE BOOKS AND THE FURNITURE, SO THAT WILL BE DONE -- IT IS A NEW BUILD, SO -- SORRY, THIS ONE HAS BEEN A NEW BUILD FOR THEM, SO THEY WILL HAVE AN ADDITIONAL 6 TO 8 MONTHS TO GET THE NEW THING OPEN TO THE PUBLIC AFTER THE CONTRACTOR IS DONE AND ON-SITE. >> OKAY. SO, THEN, IF I AM FOLLOWING, IT TOOK YOU 13 MONTHS? >> FOR THE CONSTRUCTION? >> RIGHT. >> IT'S A SINGLE-STORY, ONLY SINGLE-STORY. >> RIGHT, YEAH. >> THANK YOU. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> NEXT, IS HARVARD JOLLY. >> IT AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS. WE ARE HARVARD JOLLY P BK. WE ARE EXCITED TO HAVE BEEN GIVEN THIS OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT ON THIS FOR CLAY COUNTY. WE THANK YOU, COMMISSIONERS, AND THE CLAY COUNTY FOLKS FOR GIVING US THIS OPPORTUNITY. WE HAVE UNPARALLELED EXPERIENCE, A LOT OF LIBRARY EXPERTISE, DESIGN, THAT IS COMMUNITY FOCUSED. WE PROVIDE SOLUTIONS THAT ARE SUSTAINABLE AND EFFICIENTLY DESIGNED SOLUTIONS AND OUR SOLUTIONS ARE PRESENTED ON TIME AND WITHIN BUDGET. OUR TEAM FOR THIS PROJECT WILL BE MYSELF, WILL BE THE PRINCIPAL IN CHARGE, MANAGING PRINCIPAL AT THE JACKSON OFFICE, OUR PRESIDENT WILL BE HERE, DUE TO AN ILLNESS. MIKE JOHNSON IS OUR PROJECT MANAGER ON THIS PROJECT, BUT IF WE ARE FORTUNATE TO GET THIS PROJECT, AMY, WHO IS WITH ME, WOULD BE THE PROGRAMMER AND THE LIBRARY DESIGNER. THEY WOULD USE OUR HARVARD JOLLY TEAM FOR INTERIOR DESIGN. WE HAVE MAINTAINED THE SAME ENGINEERING PARTNERS THAT WE ARE CURRENTLY WORKING WITH ON A PROJECT IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY. IT IS A SIMILAR PROJECT, 19,000 SQUARE FEET. THE MVP DESIGN PARTNER FOR US, AND STRUCTURAL ENGINEERS, AND HANSEN IS DOING THE ENGINEERING FOR US. WE HAVE BEEN IN BUSINESS FOR ABOUT 86 YEARS. WE HAVE ABOUT 120 EMPLOYEES IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA. WE HAVE DESIGNED 150 SUSTAINABLE BUILDINGS, AND WE HAVE BEEN VERY FORTUNATE TO HAVE BEEN AWARDED THE 25 YEARS TEST OF TIME AWARD. THE NEXT SLIDE THAT SHOWS SOME OF OUR EXAMPLES OF THE LIBRARY GROUP PROJECTS WE HAVE DONE, INCLUDING THE DELTA GAIT LIBRARY TO THE TOP LEFT, THE ZEPHYRHILLS LIBRARY IN THE MIDDLE, THESE ARE JUST SOME PRIME EXAMPLES OF LIBRARIES THAT FIT WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF THE COMMUNITY THAT WE ARE DESIGNING THE PROJECT IN, INCLUDING THE INTERIORS THAT YOU SEE AS PART OF THAT SLIDE. THEY HAVE DESIGNED MORE THAN 100+ LIBRARIES IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA AND WE HAVE EXTENSIVE EXPERIENCE IN THIS, AND SOME OF THE PARTIAL LISTS YOU SEE LIST SOME OF THOSE PROJECTS THAT YOU CAN SEE, THERE. THE CURRENT LIBRARY I WANT TO FOCUS ON IS THE ST. JOHN'S COUNTY LIBRARY, IT IS IN NORTHEAST REGIONAL PARK, IT IS CURRENTLY UNDER DESIGN, WE COULDN'T LIST IT AS PART OF THE RESPONSE SINCE NO IMAGES OR DRAWINGS PUT BE GIVEN AS PART OF A PRESENTATION PACKAGE, BUT WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT, BECAUSE IT IS A SIMILARLY SIZED PROJECT. WE ALSO WORKED EXTENSIVELY IN CLAY COUNTY WITH THE LIBRARY RENOVATION PROJECT [01:35:01] AND ST. JOHN'S STATE COLLEGE ON CAMPUS, AND I PERSONALLY HAVE BEEN FORTUNATE TO WORK ON THE FLEMING HIGHWAY PROJECT IN MY PREVIOUS CAPACITY, SO I AM FAMILIAR WITH THE CLAY COUNTY LIBRARY SYSTEM, TOO. I, MYSELF, AT 3710 MEDFORD DRIVE, EMILY PROUD CLAY COUNTY RESIDENT. MY DAUGHTERS HAVE GONE TO SCHOOL HERE, SO I HAVE LIVED IN THIS COUNTY MORE THAN WHERE I COME FROM, ORIGINALLY, INDIA. CLAY COUNTY IS MY LIFE. I PERSONALLY THANK YOU FOR GIVING US THIS OPPORTUNITY. OUR OFFICE IS LOCATED IN DO ALL, BUT IT IS ONLY SEVEN MILES FROM THE PROJECT SITE, SO IT IS REALLY CLOSE FOR US, IF WE ARE FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO GET THIS PROJECT. WE HAVE A BREADTH OF EXPERIENCE IN CLAY COUNTY, FROM SOUTH PARK ALONG EAST SOUTH HEIGHTS HIGH SCHOOL, TO OAKLEY HIGH SCHOOL, WHICH WE BUILT IN 2010, SO WE ARE VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE OAKLEAF AREA. PERSONALLY, I ALSO HAD THE GOOD FORTUNE TO WORK ON THE FLEMING ISLAND HIGH SCHOOL PROJECT IN A PREVIOUS CAPACITY, SO I AM VERY MUCH FAMILIAR WITH CLAY COUNTY. WE UNDERSTAND THAT THE SITE IS A 1.4 ACRE SITE, YOU CURRENTLY HAVE IT SCHEDULED FOR AN 18,000 SQUARE-FOOT FACILITY, TWO STORIES. WE DEFINITELY WANT TO LOOK AT AND SEE HOW WE CAN APPROACH THAT PROJECT EFFECTIVELY AND NAOMI IS GOING TO TALK ABOUT THAT APPROACH. >> SO, WE WANT TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT OUR PROCESS, AND WE KNOW THAT YOUR SITE IS VERY UNIQUE. IT IS SURROUNDED, ON ALL SIDES, BY PARKING. SO, IF THAT PARKING IS AVAILABLE FOR THIS PROJECT -- WHICH WE ASSUME -- THAT HELPS KEEP THE SITE WORK ECONOMICAL. IT IS A VERY NICE SITE, A GREAT FOCAL POINT DRIVING INTO THE COMMUNITY. IT IS LARGE ENOUGH TO FIT A SINGLE-STORY LIBRARY, WHICH HAS SOME BENEFITS WITH STAFFING AND NOT HAVING TO BUILD A STAIR AND ELEVATOR, BUT WE KNOW YOU WANT A TWO STORY AND THAT MAKES SENSE BECAUSE YOU HAVE TWO STORY HOUSES NEARBY, YOU WANT THAT CIVIC PRESENCE, AND IT GIVES SPACE ON THE SITE FOR A TOWN CENTER, WHICH WE KNOW YOU HAVE SPOKEN ABOUT, SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT RIGHT FROM THE OFFSET, WE ALIGN YOUR GOALS WITH THE BUDGET AND THE SCHEDULE, AND MAKE SURE THAT WE MEET ALL OF YOUR GOALS IN THAT SENSE. THIS IS GOING TO BE A VERY COLLABORATIVE PROCESS, WORKING WITH LIBRARY STAFF, WITH THE COUNTY PROJECT MANAGER, PRESENTING TO YOU ALL ABOUT THE PROGRESS, DOING PUBLIC MEETINGS FOR BEST OF INTEREST TO MAKE SURE WE BUILD CONSENSUS FOR THE PROJECT MOVING THROUGH. SO, WE WILL WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE KEEPING ALIGNED WITH YOUR BUDGET AND YOUR SCHEDULE THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS. SOME OF THE WAYS WE DO THAT, WE DESIGN ALL OUR PROJECTS IN 3-D ON A CLOUD-BASED SYSTEM, SO THAT WE ARE CONSTANTLY WORKING IN REAL TIME WITH OUR ENGINEERS, THERE IS NO LAGGING IN INFORMATION SHARING, EVERYBODY IS UP TO SPEED AT THE SAME TIME. WE DO COLLABORATIVE, REDLINING SESSIONS THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS. WE WILL WORK COLLABORATIVELY WITH YOUR CONSTRUCTION MANAGER BUT WE CAN ALSO DO IN-HOUSE ESTIMATES OR DO A COST ESTIMATOR EARLY ON, DEPENDING ON WHEN THE CM IS BROUGHT ON BOARD. SOME OF THE THINGS THAT ARE IMPORTANT FOR A LIBRARY IS APPEALING TO ALL AGE GROUPS AND MAKING SURE THE DESIGN IS INCLUSIVE FOR EVERYONE. WE KNOW THAT EVERYONE FROM TODDLERS TO SENIORS ENJOY LIBRARIES, SO THERE SHOULD BE SOMETHING FOR EVERYONE. FLEXIBILITY AND ADAPTABILITY, AND ALSO MAKING SURE THAT THERE IS, YOU KNOW, OPPORTUNITIES FOR DUAL USES OF SPACE, SO THAT YOU CAN GET A LOT OF USE OUT OF YOUR FACILITY AND THERE IS OPEN SIGHTLINES THROUGHOUT. AND, MAKING SURE THAT THE FACILITY REALLY FITS INTO THE OAKLEAF PLANTATION COMMUNITY IT IS PART OF. EVERY BUILDING SHOULD BE DESIGNED WITH THE COMMUNITIES WITHIN. SOME OF THE TRENDS WE ARE SEEING IN LIBRARIES RIGHT NOW, IS LIBRARIES ACTING AS COMMUNITY CENTERS, SOME MORE THAN JUST SPACES FOR BOOKS, PLACES LIKE NONTRADITIONAL COLLECTIONS, COLLECTIONS OF THINGS, INSTRUMENTS, SEED COLLECTIONS, ALL KINDS OF THINGS, AS WELL AS ACTIVITIES, MAKER SPACES, BUSINESS INCUBATORS. AND WE HAVE TO PROVIDE THE TECHNOLOGY TO MAKE SURE ALL OF THOSE THINGS WORK. >> SO, IN SUMMARY, WE HAVE EXTENSIVE LIBRARY EXPERIENCE, OUR PROJECTS SHOW WHAT WE ARE CAPABLE OF, WE ARE FOCUSED ON COMPLEMENTARY BASE DESIGN SOLUTIONS THAT ARE PRESENTED ON TIME AND ON BUDGET AND WE WOULD LOOK FORWARD TO GETTING THE OPPORTUNITY TO WORK WITH YOU, AND WE THANK YOU FOR THIS. >> ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. QUESTIONS FOR HARVARD JOLLY? >> I HAVE ONE FOR YOU. WHAT IS [01:40:04] THE BUDGET FOR THE ST. JOHN'S LIBRARY? >> IT IS $10 MILLION. IT IS A CM AT RISK PROJECT ORIGINALLY DESIGNED FOR 25,000 SQUARE FEET, BUT BECAUSE OF THE BUDGET, WE HAD TO CUT IT DOWN TO 19,000. >> OKAY, THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. AND LAST, BUT NOT LEAST, WALKER ARCHITECTS. >> HI, GOOD EVENING. I AM TIM MACY WITH WALKER ARCHITECTS, GAINESVILLE, FLORIDA. THIS IS MY COLLEAGUE, JASON O'BRIEN. WE ARE GOING TO FOCUS TONIGHT ON A FEW RECENT PROJECTS THAT WE THINK HAVE SOME SALIENT DETAILS THAT WILL RESONATE WITH YOUR DESIGN PRESENCE. LET'S SEE. SO YOU MIGHT SEE THE WORD "AGILE," AND "AGILITY." IT IS A TERM OUR FIRM IS BASED ON, THE FOUNDER HAS A PODCAST CALLED "DESIGN FOR AN AGILE WORLD," SO THAT WORD GETS USED A LOT AROUND THE OFFICE AND WITH OUR CLIENTS. THERE WE ARE, AGAIN. TIM AND JASON. WE WILL BE THE DESIGNERS FOR THE NEW OAKLEAF LIBRARY. WE -- YOU WILL SEE THESE WORDS ON THE SCREEN ARE NOT JUST ONES YOU WILL SEE IN OUR FIRST MEETING THAT WE HAVE, WE CALL THEM CHARRETTES. WE CONSTANTLY RE-EVALUATE WHAT WE HEAR FROM THE CLIENT ON WHAT THEIR VALUES ARE AND WHAT WE HAVE UNDERSTOOD. SO, EVERY SINGLE DESIGN MEETINGS BEGINS WITH A RECAP OF WHERE THE CLIENTS' NEEDS ARE AND HOW THEY HAVE MET -- BEEN MET SO FAR THROUGH THE DESIGN PROCESS. IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, WE THINK THAT HAVING A COMMUNITY FOCUS AT THE LIBRARY, JUST LIKE A COMMUNITY CENTER OR A CHURCH IS A FOCUS FOR THE COMMUNITY AND WE THINK THAT IS VERY IMPORTANT, HERE. >> YES -- >> CAN YOU COME TO THE MICROPHONE? THANK YOU. >> SO, AS TIM WAS SAYING -- >> THEY CAN'T HEAR YOU ONLINE. YOU CAN LIFT IT UP IF YOU WANT TO -- THERE YOU GO. >> YOU KNOW, THE CORE OF THIS PROJECT IS REALLY ABOUT MAKING SURE WE ARE MEETING THE NEEDS OF THE COMMUNITY AND THE COMMUNITY'S VALUES AND DESIRES ARE SORT OF REFLECTED IN THE ARCHITECTURE. WE ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT, AS A COMMUNITY CENTER, ACCESSIBILITY IN THAT NETWORK IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT, SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THE BUILDING FEELS ACCESSIBLE TO EVERYBODY, IS ACCESSIBLE TO EVERYBODY, AND WE ARE APPROACHING IT FROM A VERY FREE STANDPOINT. >> THIS IS THE HAWTHORNE LIBRARY, THAT WE, THAT JASON AND I DESIGNED FOR THE ELECTRIC COUNTY LIBRARY BOARD. THIS IS A -- THE CLIENT STARTED OFF THE DESIGN PROCESS BY WANTING A $3.5 MILLION, 10,000 SQUARE FOOT NEW BUILDING TO REPLACE THE EXISTING HAWTHORNE BUILDING, WHICH IS ABOUT HALF THAT SIZE, AND IS, YOU KNOW, 40 YEARS OLD, I THINK, AT THIS POINT, AND HAS REALLY -- JUST DOESN'T SUPPORT THE CURRENT GOALS OF THE COMMUNITY FOR JUST GATHERING BASIC LIBRARY SERVICES. IT DOESN'T HELP THE STAFF, EITHER. WE ENDED UP DESIGNING A BUILDING THAT WAS A LITTLE BIT SMALLER THAN THAT THAT CAME IN AT 9600 SQUARE FEET. THIS HOLDING, THE BID FOR THIS WAS JUST AWARDED, WE HAD FOUR QUALIFIED BIDS, RANGING FROM $2.9 MILLION TO $3.1 MILLION, AND THAT CONTRACT WAS JUST AWARDED TO SHARED CONSTRUCTION A FEW WEEKS AGO AND IS ABOUT TO GO INTO CONSTRUCTION. ONE OF THE WAYS WE WERE ABLE TO DO THAT, WE REDUCED THE BUILDING SIZE FROM WHAT THE OWNER HAD REQUESTED TO A BLUEPRINT THAT STILL MEETS THEIR PROGRAM GOALS, BUT JUST VERY EFFICIENTLY. WE HAVE A NET TO GROSS RATIO OF JUST OVER 1.1, WICH IS EXTREMELY EFFICIENT. BASICALLY, HAVE NO CORE DOORS. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE CLIENT HAD ASKED FOR, THEY WANTED A SPACE WHERE THE STAFF WOULD HAVE GOOD SIGHTLINES TO ALL OF THE PROGRAM SPACES, AND CONVERSELY, THE USERS WOULD ALWAYS KNOW WHERE A STAFF MEMBER IS. SO, I WON'T GET INTO ANY DETAILS, BUT WE HAD TO MAKE IT WORK SO THAT ALL OF THE SHELVING [01:45:01] IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SPACES WAS LOW ENOUGH THAT YOU COULD SEE OVER IT, AND IN ALL OF THE SPACES -- WHICH INCLUDES A CHILDREN'S SPACE, AND 18 SPACE, AND A MAKERS SPACE, AND READING ROOMS -- WERE ALL WITHIN THE VISUAL SIGHT LINE FOR THE STAFF AND IT ALL WORKS UNDER ONE ROOF. THIS BUILDING ALSO HAS AN 800 SQUARE-FOOT MEETING ROOM THAT IS CAPABLE OF BEING ACCESSED BY ITSELF AFTER HOURS, OR DURING VOTING AND COMMUNITY MEETINGS. THAT WAS AN EXTREMELY IMPORTANT PROGRAM, AND -- YEAH. WE ARE GOING INTO CONSTRUCTION ANY DAY. WE ALSO ACCELERATED THE DESIGN PROCESS BECAUSE OF SOME SCHEDULING REQUESTS THAT THE OWNER HAD, SO WE WERE ABLE TO LOB ABOUT TWO MONTHS OFF OF THE DESIGN PROCESS. DON'T GET ANY IDEAS. THAT MIGHT HAVE JUST BEEN A ONE-OFF SITUATION. AND OUR CURRENT CONSTRUCTION SCHEDULE IS GOING TO BE SEVEN MONTHS, FROM GROUNDBREAKING TO -- WELL, SUBSTANTIAL COMPLETION. >> YEAH, SO, SOME OF YOU MAY RECOGNIZE THIS BUILDING, IT IS ACTUALLY GOING UP RIGHT NEXT DOOR. I AM JUST GOING TO HIGHLIGHT A FEW OTHER PROJECTS THAT ARE KIND OF IN SIMILAR SIZE AND SCOPE -- WELL, VARYING SIZE AND SCOPES. BUT, ONE THING THAT WILL BE CONSISTENT THROUGH ALL OF THESE IS THAT OUR PROCESS FOR DEVELOPING DESIGNS IS PRETTY MUCH ALWAYS THE SAME. WE WANT TO BRING ALL OF THE STAKEHOLDERS TO THE TABLE, ON DAY ONE. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY'S VOICES ARE BEING HEARD AND THAT WE ARE GATHERING ALL THE INFORMATION, AND THEN WE ARE GOING TO WORK WITH THE USER GROUPS -- HOWEVER MANY THERE MAY BE -- TO DEVELOP THE DESIGN TOGETHER. FOR THE CLAY COUNTY PROJECT, WE HAD A VARIETY OF USER GROUPS, ALL NEEDING DIFFERENT TYPES OF ADJACENCIES AND SPACES WITHIN THE BUILDING. WE HAD QUITE A FEW MEETINGS IN THIS BUILDING TO HASH THIS OUT. SOME OF THEM, YOU KNOW, WERE LONG AND PAINFUL, SOMETIMES TEDIOUS. BUT, ULTIMATELY, I THINK WE ENDED UP WITH A GREAT RESULT, AND THE BUILDING IS COMING TOGETHER QUICKLY. IT'S JUST -- OH, THE DOWN BUTTON. SORRY. ANOTHER PROJECT THAT I WOULD LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT IS THE WILSON CITY HALL PROJECT. THEY HAD OUTGROWN THEIR EXISTING BUILDING, IT WAS AN OLDER, SORT OF DILAPIDATED BUILDING AND HAD BEEN COBBLED TOGETHER OVER A NUMBER OF YEARS. THEY WANTED TO REPLACE IT WITH A NEW BUILDING RIGHT ON THE SAME SITE, AND HAVING THE COMMUNITY PRIDE IN THIS PLACE WAS VERY IMPORTANT, SO WE WANTED TO PRESENT SOME DESIGN IDEAS TO THEM THAT THEY COULD GET EXCITED ABOUT, BUT ALSO, NEEDING TO UNDERSTAND THE INTRICACIES OF THE DIFFERENT POSITIONS THAT HAPPENED WITHIN THIS BUILDING. YOU HAVE SOME THAT ARE ELECTED OFFICIALS, AND SOME THAT ARE PERMANENT POSITIONS. AND HOW THE PUBLIC INTERACTS WITH THOSE AREAS, HOW THEY COME INTO THE BUILDING, MOVED OUT OF THE BUILDING, THESE WERE ALL THINGS THAT WE HAD TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT, AND REALLY SORT OF IMMERSE OURSELVES IN THEIR LIFE, TO UNDERSTAND HOW THIS BUILDING NEEDED TO WORK FOR THEM. THIS IS THE ELISE TOMLIN EMPOWERMENT CENTER DOWN IN ROGUE ONE, FLORIDA. THIS IS A PUBLIC OUTREACH BUILDING, IT FOCUSES PRIMARILY ON SINGLE MOTHERS, YOUTH, SENIOR CITIZENS, DISABLED VETERANS, FOLKS LIKE THAT. WHO NEED A PLACE TO BE RE-EMPOWERED, TO LEARN AND GROW AS A CITIZEN IN THEIR COMMUNITY. THIS IS A SMALLER PROJECT, BUT SIMILAR TO A LIBRARY, IT HAD A LOT OF DIFFERENT SPACES WITHIN IT THAT HAD DIFFERENT NEEDS FOR THE CLIENT. SO, ANOTHER PIECE OF THIS THAT I HAVE ACTUALLY KIND OF LEFT OUT ON THE LAST FEW IS, ALWAYS WANT TO BE SENSITIVE TO THE CONTEXT OF THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE BUILDINGS THAT ARE AROUND IT. IN THIS CASE, THE FLORIDA VERNACULAR WAS ACTUALLY AN ARCHITECTURAL REQUIREMENT FOR THAT SITE, SO WE HAD TO DESIGN SOMETHING THAT FIT IN WITH THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD. SIMILARLY, THE CLAY COUNTY BUILDING RIGHT NEXT DOOR, WE -- THE DESIRE WAS FOR THAT BUILDING TO LOOK LIKE, IF YOU WILL, A COUSIN OF THIS BUILDING, SO WE WANTED A MORE UNIFIED APPEARANCE FOR THE CAMPUS. IT DIDN'T HAVE TO LOOK EXACTLY LIKE IT, BUT WE WANTED TO STAY IN THE SAME VEIN. NORMAN HALL RESTORATION PROJECT INCLUDED A LIBRARY COMPONENT, AND THIS WAS PRIMARILY A MODERNIZATION PROJECT, BUT GOING THROUGH, AGAIN, UNDERSTANDING THEIR NEEDS AND WHAT THEIR DIFFERENT REQUIREMENTS WERE [01:50:07] GOING TO BE, AND HOW THAT ALL COMES TOGETHER INSIDE AN EXISTING SPACE, AND THEN STAYING SENSITIVE TO THAT HISTORIC STRUCTURE, AND MAKING SURE IT HAD ALL OF THE, YOU KNOW, FUTURE PROOFED IT, TO MAKE SURE IT MET ALL OF THEIR CURRENT AND FUTURE DAY NEEDS. BUT, LAST, BUT NOT LEAST, THE O CALL MEDIA CENTER. THIS IS FOR THE SCHOOL IN GAINESVILLE, FLORIDA. THIS WAS A BUILDING THAT IS PLANNED AS BEING A NEW ENTRANCE, IF YOU WILL, TO THE CAMPUS. EVERYBODY PASSES THIS BUILDING WHEN THEY COME ON CAMPUS, SO IT NEEDED TO BE'S SOMETHING THAT SPOKE TO THE QUALITY OF THE EDUCATION SYSTEM THEY HAVE THERE, BUT IT ALSO NEEDED TO BE A PLAYFUL ENVIRONMENT FOR THE CHILDREN THAT USE IT. THIS IS FOR THE LOWER SCHOOL CHILDREN. SO, THE BUILDING IS A LITTLE BIT WHIMSICAL ON THE INSIDE, IT HAS SOME PLAY AREAS, BUT IT IS ALSO DESIGNED IN A WAY THAT ALLOWS THE LIBRARY AND SIT STANDING AT THE CIRCULATION DESK TO SEE ALL AREAS OF THE MEDIA CENTER AT THE SAME TIME, TO KEEP A WATCHFUL EYE ON THE CHILDREN. IT TAKES ADVANTAGE OF THE NORTHERN LIGHT THAT COMES INTO THE BUILDING, SO WE CAN REDUCE OUR NEED ON ARTIFICIAL LIGHTING. AND IT HAS ALSO BEEN SHOWN THAT ARTIFICIAL LIGHTING AND VIEWS TO THE OUTSIDE AND PROVE THE LEARNING PROCESS FOR THE CHILDREN. THIS PROJECT ACTUALLY WON AN AWARD, I THINK BACK IN 2013. THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT, FOR THE PROJECTS WE WERE GOING TO HIGHLIGHT. BUT, I WILL SAY THAT REALLY, WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO IT, YOU ARE MAKING A SELECTION BASED ON SERVICE, AND IT IS REALLY ABOUT, WHAT LEVEL OF SERVICE DO YOU WANT TO RECEIVE ON THE DESIGN OF YOUR BUILDING? IT IS GOING TO BE A COLLABORATIVE EFFORT, REGARDLESS OF WHO YOU CHOOSE. EVERY ARCHITECT THAT YOU HAVE HEARD FROM HERE TONIGHT IS MORE THAN QUALIFIED TO DESIGN THIS LIBRARY, BUT WHERE I THINK WE STAND APART IS IN OUR PROCESS OF ENGAGEMENT AND COMPASSION THAT WE ARE BRINGING TO THE TABLE ON DAY ONE AND MAKING SURE ALL OF THE VOICES GET HEARD. >> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> QUESTIONS? OKAY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> THANK YOU. >> SO, EACH ONE OF YOU SHOULD HAVE A SCORE SHEET. IF YOU DO NOT HAVE ONE, I SHOULD HAVE SOME EXTRAS, HERE. BUT, BASICALLY, AS I EXPLAINED EARLIER, YOU WILL SCORE THEM 1 TO 5, ONE BEING YOUR TOP CHOICE. THAT WILL GIVE YOU A COUPLE MINUTES. DO YOU NEED ONE? >> SO, WHEN YOU ARE LOOKING AT LOCATION, YOU DON'T BASE THE HEADQUARTERS ON LIKE IF IT IS JACKSONVILLE , OR -- >> WE DO, THAT IS A 10 POINT CRITERIA AND IT HAS FILLED OUT, SO IF THEY ARE HEADQUARTERED IN CLAY COUNTY, TO GET THE FULL POINTS. >> SO IT IS ONLY WHERE THEIR HEADQUARTERS ARE, IT DOESN'T MATTER IF THEY HAVE A LOCATION IN JACKSONVILLE, PER SE? >> IT DOES. SO, THEY CAN GET UP TO EIGHT POINTS IF THEY HAVE A SUB LOCATION IN CLAY COUNTY AND HAVE EMPLOYEES THAT LIVE IN CLAY COUNTY. THERE ARE JUST A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF POINTS THEY CAN GET, WITH THE MAX BEING 10 POINTS. >> OKAY, I AM NOT SEEING CLAY, PER SE. >> SURROUNDING COUNTIES DO GET -- >> BECAUSE FLEISHMAN HAS A LOCATION IN JACKSONVILLE, AND I BELIEVE HARVARD JOLLY ONLY HAD THAT ONE MORE LOCATION, SO THAT IS WHY I WAS CONFUSED. >> LET ME GET TO MY SHEETS. >> AND A LOT OF IT IS, IF THEY PUT THE INFORMATION IN THE PROPOSAL, AS WELL. SO, WALKER IS HEADQUARTERED IN GAINESVILLE, BORRELLI IS IN ORLANDO, AND THIS IS HEADQUARTERS -- WHICH ONE DID YOU MENTION? >> WELL, I SAW FLEISHMAN AND HARVARD JOLLY BOTH HAVE A LOCATION IN JACKSONVILLE. >> SO, THEIR HEADQUARTERS ARE NOT JACKSONVILLE, SO THEY GOT A TOTAL OF THREE POINTS, FOR BEING IN A SURROUNDING COUNTY, BUT NOT HEADQUARTERED? >> SO IT DOES NEED TO BE -- OKAY. >> BECAUSE THEY ONLY HAVE ONE. >> SO, IT IS ONE PLUS THE NUMBER OF STAFF, SO THEY WOULD HAVE TO IDENTIFY IF THEY HAVE STAFF LIVING IN CLAY COUNTY. SO, LIKE, WE HAVE HAD OTHER FIRMS THAT HAVE OPENED A CLAY COUNTY OFFICE. HOW IS THAT SCORED? >> IT IS THE SAME WAY FOR THE FIRMS. LET'S SEE HERE. IF A CONSULTANT IS NOT HEADQUARTERED IN CLAY COUNTY OR SURROUNDING COUNTIES, THEY GET ONE. IF THEY HAVE A LOCAL BRANCH IN CLAY [01:55:01] COUNTY -- SO, THEY WOULD GET THREE POINTS, PLUS THERE IS A CHART FOR THE NUMBER OF STAFF THAT THEY HAVE IN CLAY COUNTY. SO, IF THEY DO NOT HAVE A BRANCH OFFICE IN SURROUNDING COUNTIES, THEY ARE AWARDED ONE POINT PLUS THE STAFF BASED ON THE CHART, SO THE NUMBER OF STAFF THEY HAVE, PLUS THE NUMBER OF YEARS THEY HAVE BEEN AT THAT LOCATION. AND THAT IS THE SCORING CRITERIA THAT HAS BEEN ADOPTED AND IS A PART OF THE PACKET. >> OKAY. >> YOUR MIKE IS NOT ON. >> I HAVE A FOLLOW-UP QUESTION FOR -- IS IT FLEISHMAN GARCIA? WHERE ARE YOU? CAN YOU COME UP HERE? AND PLANNERS? I JUST HAVE AN INQUIRY ABOUT YOUR WORKLOAD. TALK TO ME ABOUT -- I KNOW YOU HAVE THE ONGOING PROJECT THAT IS SUPPOSED TO WRAP UP, CONSTRUCTION WISE, NEXT MONTH. WHAT IS YOUR DOCKET LOOKING LIKE, OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS? I KNOW THAT IS A SENSITIVE QUESTION. >> THAT IS A TOUGH ONE TO ANSWER. >> IT IS. I KNOW. I KNOW. >> I MEAN, MOST OF OUR PROJECTS RIGHT NOW ARE CONSTRUCTION, SO IN TERMS OF DESIGNING RIGHT NOW, WE ARE AVAILABLE. SO, THE ONLY DESIGN PROJECTS WE HAVE ARE VERY SMALL RIGHT NOW, SO THAT IS WHERE WE ARE AVAILABLE TO START. I THINK THE OTHER LIBRARY WE HAVE IS FINISHING DESIGN CONSTRUCTION IN HILLSBORO COUNTY TO ASSESS A LIBRARY. WE HAVE THE AFRICAN-AMERICAN ARTS AND CULTURAL CENTER, WHICH WE JUST FINISHED THE PERMITTING PROCESS, SO, IT IS REALLY JUST CONSTRUCTION PARTS RIGHT NOW, SO THAT IS REALLY HARD TO ANSWER, COMPREHENSIVELY. >> I GUESS -- MAYBE THIS IS A QUESTION FOR YOU, KAREN. I AM WONDERING, WHEN WE ARE ANALYZING THE CURRENT WORKLOAD AND ALLOCATING POINTS TO OUR VENDORS, ARE WE LOOKING AT THEIR ABILITY TO MEET A TIMELINE, OR OUR ASSESSMENT OF THEIR ABILITY TO MEET A REASONABLE TIMELINE? >> YES. >> OKAY. >> YES, MA'AM. SO, IN THE BID, WE SAID WE ANTICIPATE IT TO NOT TAKE LONGER THAN 12 MONTHS FOR A DESIGN. THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN NEGOTIATE IN THE CONTRACT, BUT SINCE WE PUT THAT INFORMATION IN THE BID, WE DO LOOK AT, WHAT IS THEIR CURRENT WORKLOAD? THEY DO PROVIDE US INFORMATION ON WHAT EMPLOYEES WOULD BE DESIGNATED TO THIS PROJECT AND WHAT THEY ARE CURRENTLY WORKING ON, SO THAT IS A CONSIDERATION. >> OKAY, THANK YOU. THAT IS INSIGHTFUL. HOW LONG DO YOUR DESIGN PROJECTS USUALLY TAKE -- WELL, LET'S COMPARE IT TO YOUR CURRENT PROJECT. HOW LONG DID IT TAKE YOU TO DESIGN IT? DID YOU? WERE YOU GUYS RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT? >> IT WAS AROUND 11 TO 12 MONTHS. >> 11 MONTHS, DESIGN. >> OKAY. ALL RIGHT. I THINK THAT ANSWERS MY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> ARE WE READY TO START? >> COMMISSIONER COMPERE HASN'T DONE HER SCORESHEET, YET. >> OKAY, THAT'S FINE. >> READY? >> OKAY, WE ARE READY. >> COMMISSIONER SGROMOLO, WOULD YOU LIKE TO START? >> SURE. NUMBER ONE, FLESHMAN AND GARCIA PLANNERS, NUMBER TWO, REALLY AND PARTNERS, NUMBER THREE, WALKER ARCHITECTS, NUMBER FOUR, HARVARD JOLLY AND NUMBER FIVE, AKEL LOGAN SHAFER. >> MR. BART? >> NUMBER ONE, AYE. SEVEN, NUMBER TWO, AYE. 91 NUMBER [02:00:06] THREE, BORRELLI AND PARTNERS, AND NUMBER FOUR, AYE. FIVE, NUMBER FIVE, AKEL LOGAN SHAFER. >> WOULD YOU LIKE TO GO NEXT OR LAST? >> I CAN GO NEXT. NUMBER ONE, AYE. SEVEN, NUMBER TWO, WALKER ARCHITECTS, NUMBER THREE, AYE. FIVE, NUMBER FOUR, BORRELLI, AND NUMBER FIVE, AKEL LOGAN SHAFER. >> COMMISSIONER COMPERE? >> YES, MAN. NUMBER ONE, AYE. SEVEN, NUMBER TWO, AYE. FIVE, NUMBER THREE, WALKER ARCHITECTS, NUMBER FOUR, AKEL LOGAN SHAFER, NUMBER FIVE, BORRELLI. >> YOU WANT ME NEXT? >> YES, SIR, PLEASE. >> NUMBER ONE IS WALKER ARCHITECTS, TWO IS BORRELLI, NUMBER THREE IS HARVARD JOLLY, NUMBER FOUR IS FLEISCHMAN AND GARCIA, NUMBER FIVE IS AKEL LOGAN SHAFER. >> WOULD YOU LIKE TO COMPARE? >> ALL RIGHT. SO, WE DID OUR MATH CORRECTLY HERE, COMPARED. SO, FLEISCHMAN AND GARCIA WAS SCORED EIGHT, WALKER ARCHITECTS, 11. WE HAVE TWO TIES -- HARVARD JOLLY AND BORRELLI, WITH 16, AKEL LOGAN SHAFER WITH 24. WE CAN DO A TIEBREAKER, OR WE CAN BRING IT BACK TO THE BOARD, IF WE CAN'T NEGOTIATE WITH THE FIRST OR SECOND AT A LATER DATE. >> OKAY, WHAT IS YOUR PLEASURE ABOUT A TIEBREAKER? >> I WOULD MAKE A MOTION TO BRING IT BACK TO THE BOARD IF THEY DON'T CREATE A CONTRACT FROM THE FIRST TWO. >> OKAY, WE HAVE A MOTION ON THAT, DO WE HAVE A SECOND? >> WHO WAS NUMBER ONE? >> THE MOTION IS NOT THAT, YET. THE MOTION RIGHT NOW IS JUST A TIEBREAKER FOR NUMBERS THREE AND FOUR. FOUR, TIED FOR THIRD, I SHOULD SAY. DO YOU WANT TO RESOLVE THAT TONIGHT? OR, DO YOU WANT TO ONLY BRING THAT BACK TO THE BOARD IF WE ARE NOT SUCCESSFUL TO NEGOTIATE BETWEEN ONE AND TWO? >> OH, OKAY. >> AND COMMISSIONER SGROMOLO'S MOTION IS TO BRING IT BACK TO THE BOARD. >> IF WE ARE UNSUCCESSFUL? >> YES. >> I WILL MAKE A SECOND. >> OKAY, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THAT? ALL IN FAVOR, SIGNAL BY SAYING, AYE. >> AYE. >> NONE OPPOSED, MOTION CARRIES, 5-0. NEXT, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO DIRECT STAFF -- AFTER THE 72 HOUR PROTEST PERIOD -- BRING BACK TO THE BOARD AN AGREEMENT I GUESS AT THE NEXT BOARD MEETING IF NEGOTIATIONS WITH THE FIRST TWO ARE SUCCESSFUL. >> YES, MA'AM. >> MOVE APPROVAL. >> OKAY, WE HAVE A MOTION, DO WE HAVE A SECOND? >> SECOND. >> ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFIED BY SAYING, AYE. >> AYE. >> ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES, 5-0. I WOULD REMIND ANYONE THAT FOR THE TIME PERIOD, THE QUIET PERIOD IS STILL IN EFFECT, SO FOR COMMISSIONERS AND THE STAFF OF THESE FIRMS WILL HAVE NO CONTACT, AND I GUESS OUR STAFF? I GUESS I DON'T REALLY KNOW -- [22.  Public Hearing on Petition and adoption of an Ordinance creating the Governors Park North Community Development District (District 5, Comm. Burke) (C. Grimm)] >> THAT IS CORRECT. YES, MA'AM. >> THANK YOU, ALL, FOR MAKING THE TRIPS THAT YOU DID TO US. VERY INFORMATIVE PRESENTATIONS. ALL RIGHT. WE WILL MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER 22. WE HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING ON THE PETITION AND ADOPTION OF AN ORDINANCE CREATING THE GOVERNORS PARK COMMUNITY -- I'M SORRY -- GOVERNORS PARK NORTH COMMUNITY DISTRICT, CDD. >> YES, AND I BELIEVE HERE ON BEHALF OF THE CDC -- CDC IS MICHAEL WALKER. >> GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS. MIKE ECKERT WITH Q TECH ROCK, 107 WEST COLLEGE AVENUE TALLAHASSEE, FLORIDA, 30321. WITH ME TODAY, I ALSO HAVE CRAIG RUFFLE WHO IS A DISTRICT MANAGER [02:05:04] AND ASSESSMENT CONSULTANT AND ALSO PROVIDED THE STATEMENT OF ESTIMATED REGULATORY COSTS THAT IS INCLUDED WITHIN OUR PETITION. WE ALSO HAVE PETER MOLL, AN ENGINEER WITH AN PETER TENDS AND MILLER HERE, AS WELL, AND KEVIN CRAMER, WHO IS THE PETITIONER REPRESENTATIVE WITH ETI DEVELOPERS ON BEHALF OF GOVERNORS PARK PROPERTY HOLDINGS. THE PURPOSE OF THIS HEARING TONIGHT IS TO LET THE BOARD KNOW THAT THIS IS NOT A DEVELOPMENT APPROVAL. WE HAVE TO, AS AC/DC, COMPLY WITH ALL OF THE DEVELOPMENT APPROVALS THAT THE COUNTY COMMISSION HAS. WE HAVE TO COMPLY WITH ALL OF YOUR ORDINANCES. AND, YOU KNOW, IN THIS PROCESS, WE WORK WITH YOUR COUNTY STAFF TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. I THINK WE HAD A SLIGHT REVISION OR CLARIFICATION TO ANY OF THE PROVISION EXHIBITS, JUST TO, I GUESS, ADDRESS AN ISSUE OF STORMWATER MANAGEMENT FACILITIES, IF THEY ARE CERTAINLY INTEGRAL TO THE PROJECT, THEY ARE THE DISTRICT'S RESPONSIBILITY, WE WANT TO CLARIFY THAT, BUT IF THERE IS A STORMWATER FACILITY THAT IS BUILT THAT REALLY JUST SERVES THE COUNTY ROAD, THE COUNTY, WE WOULD OWN THAT, OBVIOUSLY. WE DID PROVIDE THE PROOFS OF PUBLICATION FOR THIS HEARING, IT IS REQUIRED TO BE PUBLISHED FOR FOUR CONSECUTIVE WEEKS, IT WAS PUBLISHED IN CLAY TODAY ON MAY 4TH, MAY 18TH, AND MAY 22ND. AND AGAIN, OUR GOAL TODAY IS JUST TO PROVIDE A GENERAL OVERVIEW OF CDD IS WHAT ONE IS, WHAT IT CAN DO, AND WHAT IT CAN'T DO. I THINK WE HAVE A PRESENTATION LOADED, UP THERE. >> THE DOWN BUTTON. >> YES, THANK YOU. AND AGAIN, WE HAVE KIND OF GONE THROUGH THIS, THIS IS 802 ACRES, AND I WILL NOTE, WHEN WE CAME BEFORE YOU FOR THE GOVERNORS PARK SOUTH CDD, A VERY IMPORTANT MEMBER SAID, "WELL, YOU NAMED ITSELF, DOES THAT MEAN YOU ARE COMING BACK WITH NORTH AT SOME POINT?" AND THAT IS WHY WE ARE HERE TODAY. AND WE ARE ALSO ASKING NOT ONLY TO CREATE THE CDD OVER THE 802 RESIDENTIAL ACRES, BUT ALSO TO GIVE A SPECIAL POWER FOR RECREATION AND SECURITY, WHICH IS REALLY PRETTY TYPICAL POWERS THAT WE REQUEST WHEN WE DO A CDD. THE OUTLINE FOR TONIGHT REALLY JUST THE ESTABLISHMENT PROCESS, WE HAVE ALREADY KIND OF OUTLINED THAT, GIVEN YOU AN IDEA OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE THE DISTRICT MAY FINANCE, THE ANALYSIS, THE FINDINGS, AND THE CONCLUSION. CHAPTER 190 HAS A CHARTER FOR ALL COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DISTRICTS WITHIN THE STATE OF FLORIDA. A CDD WOULD BE A LOCAL UNIT, A SPECIAL-PURPOSE GOVERNMENT, AS OPPOSED TO COUNTY, WHICH IS GENERAL-PURPOSE GOVERNMENT. YOU ALL HAVE A LOT MORE POWERS THAN CDD DO. WE ONLY HAVE THE POWERS THAT ARE SPECIFICALLY ASSIGNED TO US. WE ARE ABLE TO MAINTAIN INFRASTRUCTURE AND EVENTUALLY WHEN WE SAW THE DOWNTURN, THOSE OF US WHO ARE OLD ENOUGH TO LIVE THROUGH THAT, 2008 AND 2009, WE ARE VERY THANKFUL WE CAN COLLECT OUR ASSESSMENTS ON THE COUNTY TAX BILL SO WE CAN MAINTAIN OUR STORMWATER FACILITIES AND OTHER INFRASTRUCTURE. CDD DOES NOT HAVE THE ABILITY TO CONSTRUCT A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WE DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO APPROVE A BUILDING PERMIT, AND WE DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO APPROVE ZONING. THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT IS LOCATED NORTH OF STATE ROAD 23 AND REALLY JUST A DUE NORTH OF THE GOVERNORS ROAD SOUTH OF CDD THAT YOU APPROVED BEFORE. IT IS 802 ACRES. THIS ONE IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT IN THE SENSE THAT WE DO HAVE AN EXPANSION PARCEL IDENTIFIED IN THE PETITION, THAT IS A NEW CHANGE IN THE STATUTE A COUPLE YEARS AGO WHICH ALLOWS US TO IDENTIFY LANDS THAT WE MAY WANT TO BRING IN, IN THE FUTURE COME INTO THE CDD, AND WE DO THAT UP FRONT. AND BY DOING THAT, WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE OF AN EXPEDITED PROCESS TO GET THAT LAND ADDED LATER. IT STILL COMES BACK BEFORE THE COUNTY COMMISSION AND THE COUNTY COMMISSION MAKES THAT DECISION, DOES THAT LAND GET ADDED TO THE CDD, OR NOT? THAT IS JUST A GENERAL LOCATION MAP OF WHERE YOU SEE IT AND YOU CAN SEE THE GRAY SHADED AREA. IMMEDIATELY BELOW THAT GRAY SHADED AREA IS WHERE THE GOVERNORS PARK SOUTH IS. THE DISTRICT INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WE ARE PROJECTING AT THIS POINT WILL BE CONSTRUCTED AND SOLVED BETWEEN 2025 AND 2029, AND IT REALLY IS THE COMMON STUFF THAT YOU WILL SEE ON 190, 102 OF THE FLORIDA STATUTES, THAT IS YOUR STORMWATER, YOUR WATER, POTABLE WATER, RECLAIM WATER, SANITARY SEWER. WE HAVE ON-SITE AND OFF-SITE ROADWAY IMPROVEMENTS, UNDER GROUNDING OF ELECTRIC, AS WELL AS LANDSCAPE, PART SCAPE IRRIGATION, AMENITIES, AND PARK CENTER. RIGHT NOW, THE ESTIMATED COST OF THE IMPROVEMENTS IS ABOUT $348 MILLION. NOT ALL OF THAT WOULD [02:10:01] BE FUNDED THROUGH BONDS, A LOT OF THAT WOULD BE FUNDED THROUGH THE LANDOWNER. BUT, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE ARE REQUIRED, WHEN WE GIVE THE GOOD FAITH ESTIMATES FOR THE PETITION, TO SAY THIS IS KIND OF THE MENU OF THINGS THAT WE MAY FUND THROUGH THE CDD AND THIS WOULD BE THE TOTAL COST, IF WE DID EVERYTHING. BUT, THERE IS HARDLY A CDD IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA THAT HAS DONE EVERYTHING THAT IS INCLUDED WITHIN THE POTENTIAL THAT THEY CAN DO. CHAPTER 190 PROVIDES THE ANALYSIS FOR THE BOARD, AND THERE ARE SIX FACTORS, AND YOU HAVE SEEN THESE BEFORE. WHETHER THE STATEMENTS IN THE PETITION ARE TRUE, WHETHER THE ESTABLISHMENT OF THE DISTRICT IS INCONSISTENT WITH AN ELEMENT OF EITHER THE STATE OR LOCAL COMP PLAN, WHETHER THE LAND OF THE PROPOSED DISTRICT IS SUFFICIENT SIZE, SUFFICIENTLY COMPACT, AND SUFFICIENTLY CONTIGUOUS TO BE DEVELOPED AS ONE INTERRELATED COMMUNITY. WHETHER THE DISTRICT IS THE BEST ALTERNATIVE FOR DELIVERING THE COMMUNITY SERVICES, AND WHETHER COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT SERVICES ARE INCOMPATIBLE WITH THE CAPACITY OR THE USES OF OTHER IMPORTANT SERVICES THAT ARE OUT THERE, AND WHETHER THE AREA THAT WILL BE SERVED BY THE DISTRICT IS AMENABLE TO SPECIAL DISTRICT GOVERNMENT. WE PROVIDE THIS CHART TO YOU HERE TODAY, WE DID SUBMIT PREFILED TESTIMONY OF MR. CRAMER, AND MR. MA IN THIS CHART TO JUST IDENTIFY WHERE EACH OF THOSE SIX ELEMENTS WE WENT THROUGH, WHERE THEY ARE ADDRESSED IN THE TESTIMONY. WE DID PROVIDE WRITTEN CONSENT TO THE ESTABLISHMENT OF THE CDD BY ALL LANDOWNERS WHOSE REAL PROPERTY IS TO BE INCLUDED WITHIN THE CDD. THE NOTICE FOR THE ESTABLISHMENT HEARING WAS ADVERTISED WITH ACCORDANCE OF FLORIDA LAW, AND DEMONSTRATING THE PETITION MEETS THE STATUTORY CRITERIA. AT THIS POINT IN TIME, CERTAINLY, WE HAVE THE FOLKS IDENTIFIED EARLIER AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS, BUT WE BELIEVE THE PETITION AND PREFILED TESTIMONY DOES ESTABLISH THE PRE-STATUTORY ELEMENTS REQUIRED FOR ESTABLISHMENT OF A CDD OF A IN ABOUT 200 ACRES AND WE WOULD ASK THE COMMISSION FOR THEIR CONSIDERATION TO GRANT THE CDD RECREATION POWER AS WELL AS SECURITY POWER. WITH THAT, I WILL BE QUIET AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE HAD. >> THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. ECKARDT? COMMISSIONER RENNINGER? >> YES, THANK YOU, CHAIR. I HAVE NEVER SEEN THIS FEATURE EXPANSION SEGMENT OF THE PARCEL. WHAT IS THE ADVANTAGE OF THAT. I MEAN, WHY NOT DO IT NOW? >> WELL, ONE OF THE ISSUES WE HAVE RUN INTO WITH SOME CDD'S LATELY, IS WHEN WE HAVE A MIXED-USE PROJECT AND WE HAVE SOME COMMERCIAL USE LANDS AND RESIDENTIAL USE LANDS, THERE ARE A COUPLE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT CAN HAPPEN WHEN YOU CAN BIND THEM RIGHT AWAY. NUMBER ONE IS, WE MAY NOT GET AS GOOD A BOND RATE, IF WE HAVE A LOT OF COMMERCIAL WITHIN THE COMMUNITY AT THE TIME WE ISSUE BONDS, BECAUSE THE COMMERCIAL IS A LITTLE BIT MORE RISKY TO THE BONDHOLDERS. AND SO, IF WE STRUCTURE IT THIS WAY, THEN WE WOULD HAVE ONLY THE RESIDENTIAL WOULD BE THE ONES SUBJECT TO THE BOND, SO HOPEFULLY, THE RESIDENTIAL WOULD GET A LOWER INTEREST RATE ON THE BONDS. THE SECOND THING WE ARE DEALING WITH, TOO, IS THE COMMERCIAL PROPERTY, THERE IS LESS OF AN APPETITE TO PURCHASE THAT PROPERTY, IF THERE IS SIGNIFICANT CDD BOND DEBT ON IT, SO WE HAVE THAT ISSUE TO DEAL WITH. AND THE THIRD ISSUE -- WHICH IS REALLY JUST KIND OF MY GRAY HAIR EXPERIENCE -- WHICH IS WHEN YOU HAVE COMMERCIAL CDD AND RESIDENTIAL CDD, THE STATUTE IS DESIGNED SO THAT IT WILL TRANSITION TO COMPLETE RESIDENTIAL CONTROL OF THE CDD, STARTING AT SIX YEARS AND 250 REGISTERED VOTERS. SOMETIMES, THAT CREATES SOME CONFLICT IN THE FUTURE, WHERE YOU HAVE FIVE RESIDENT BOARD MEMBERS WHO ARE DICTATING THE MAINTENANCE STANDARDS IN FRONT OF ALL OF THE COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS, RATHER THAN DEALING MORE WITH THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS, SO THOSE ARE THE THREE REASONS WE HAVE LEFT IT OUT, FOR NOW. THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE WOULD LEAVE IT OUT IN THE FUTURE. WE MAY COME BACK TO THE WORD AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE AND DO THAT, BUT THOSE ARE THE THREE PRIMARY REASONS WE LOOKED AT LEAVING IT OUT FOR NOW. >> MY SECOND QUESTION, YOU HAVE 10 YEARS, IT IS A 10 MINUTE TIME LIMIT ON THAT, FOLDED INTO THE CDD. >> CORRECT. >> WHAT HAPPENS AFTER 10 YEARS? >> AFTER 10 YEARS, IF WE WANTED TO ADD THAT LAND IN, WE WOULD STILL COME BACK TO THE COMMISSION, IT JUST WOULDN'T BE THE EXPEDITED PROCESS. >> OKAY. >> YEAH, SO WE JUST LOSE A LITTLE BIT OF TIME AND IT IS A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A PROCESS, BUT IT IS NOT LOST, WE DON'T LOSE THAT ABILITY. BUT, ULTIMATELY, YOU ALL DECIDE, WHETHER IT IS ON THE EXPEDITED SCHEDULE OR NOT, WHETHER TO APPROVE THAT. >> OKAY, THANK YOU. >> OKAY, OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER BURKE? >> I GUESS YOU DON'T KNOW WHEN WE COULD SEE THIS HAPPENING, THIS DEVELOPMENT? >> I THINK THAT GOVERNORS PARK SOUTH HAS ALREADY SOLD BONDS, AND WE ARE IN THE CONSTRUCTION PROCESS NOW. THE ESTIMATES WE HAVE ARE STARTING IN LATE 2025. IF WE GET APPROVED TODAY, WE ARE IN ALMOST JUNE. WE HAVE TO GO [02:15:08] THROUGH BOND VALIDATION. SO, YOU KNOW, BY THE END OF THE YEAR, WE PROBABLY OUGHT TO BE ABLE TO HAVE CONSTRUCTION PROCESS THROUGH A PROCESS SIMILAR TO WHAT WE JUST SAW YOU ALL GO THROUGH. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY. WE ARE MOVING INTO OUR PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD ON SPECIFIC PUBLIC HEARINGS. THIS PORTION OF THE AGENDA IS TO ALLOW CITIZENS AN OPPORTUNITY TO BRING MATTERS TO THE ATTENTION OF THE BOARD WITH SPECIFIC HEARINGS THAT THEY APPLY TO. AT THIS TIME, THE BOARD WILL NOT ENGAGE IN DEBATE OR ANSWER QUESTIONS. OBVIOUSLY, YOU CAN ALWAYS EMAIL YOUR DISTRICT COMMISSIONER, YOU CAN EMAIL OUR DISTRICT STAFF, AT CLAYQUESTIONS@CLAY.GOV. PUBLIC COMMENT CARDS ARE AVAILABLE IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK ON THE INDIVIDUAL PUBLIC HEARING. AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE DONE, YOU WILL NOTICE THAT AT THE BOTTOM IF YOU HAVE A CARD, YOU CAN TELL US IF YOU ARE SPEAKING IN FAVOR OF, OR AGAINST, BUT YOU CAN ALSO WAIVE YOUR SPEAKING BUT TELL US IF YOU ARE IN FAVOR OR AGAINST IT AND WE WILL TAKE THOSE CARDS AND I WILL READ IT INTO THE RECORD, SO AT ANY RATE, WE WANTED TO OFFER -- WE HAVE ADDED THAT OPTION FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO MAY NOT WANT TO SPEAK, OR FOR SOMEBODY WHO HAS ALREADY SAID -- YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES, YOU DON'T NEED TO HEAR THE SAME THING 20 TIMES, BUT YOU WANT TO MAKE NOTE THAT YOU ARE AGAINST IT OR FOR IT, SO WE HAVE GIVEN YOU THAT OPTION. WITH THAT, I WILL OPEN THE FIRST PUBLIC HEARING. THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE GOVERNORS PARK NORTH COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT. AND I DO HAVE ONE CARD WAVING, SPEAKING AGAINST THIS ITEM FROM AMBER CROSBY. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? HELENA, I WILL JUST MARK YOUR OTHER CARD. >> HI, AGAIN. MY NAME IS ALINA, AND I SERVE ON THE ROLLING HILLS CDD AND OUR COMMUNITY IN LAKE ASBURY. CDD HAVE THEIR UPS AND DOWNS IN THEIR DIFFERENT SCENARIOS. I AM NOT SURE THE HISTORY ON THIS ONE, WHY IT HAD THE SOUTH AND THE NORTH, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS I DID LEARN WITH A LOT OF THE DILEMMAS WE ARE DEALING WITH, WITH ROLLING HILLS, IS THAT -- THE BEST I CAN EXPLAIN THIS -- IF A COMMUNITY SUBDIVISION IS LESS THAN 1000 HOMES IN THAT SUBDIVISION, THEN THE COUNTY IS RESPONSIBLE FOR EVERYTHING THAT GOES ON WITH THE DEVELOPMENT. IF THE COMMUNITY IS OVER 1000 HOMES, THEN THE STATE IS REGULATING AND THE STATE IS OVERSEEING AND MAKING SURE THAT EVERYTHING IS DEVELOPED ON THE COMMUNITY. I'M NOT SURE THE NUMBER OF HOMES ON THIS ONE, BUT JUST AS WE ARE ADDRESSING AND AS WE ARE LOOKING AT DIFFERENT THINGS -- YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW ABOUT THE CONSERVATION ISSUE THAT WAS IN OUR COMMUNITY AND SOME OF THE DETAILS THAT I HAVE QUESTIONED, PAYING ATTENTION TO DETAIL IS IMPERATIVE, AND UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF COMPONENTS THAT GO INTO CDDS AND THE DEVELOPERS GET TO APPOINT THOSE FIRST FIVE BOARD MEMBERS, THE DEVELOPERS GET TO HIRE THE ENGINEERS, HIGHER THEIR ATTORNEYS, HIGHER THE MANAGEMENT COMPANIES, EVEN. AND THEN, THOSE FIVE BOARD MEMBERS AND EVERYBODY INVOLVED ARE THE ONES MAKING THE DECISIONS IN THAT COMMUNITY. THE BUDGET ON THAT 300 SOMETHING MILLION, WHATEVER THAT NUMBER WAS, THAT IS A LARGE NUMBER. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY ARE GOING TO ACTUALLY COME BACK, AND GET THE BONDS FOR, IN WHAT WILL BE ASSESSED TO THE HOMEOWNERS, BUT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE DON'T REALLY HAVE A LOT OF OVERSIGHT ON GETTING TO SEE THAT INFORMATION, SO WHEN Y'ALL ARE MAKING THESE DECISIONS, THERE IS A LOT SITTING OUT THERE THAT YOU MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE THE DETAILS OF, AND MAY NEED SOME CLARIFICATION, SO I BEG Y'ALL TO UNDERSTAND THAT WE SAW THE BALL GOT DROPPED IN ROLLING HILLS AND I FEEL THAT 100% FROM MY HEART. I HAVE ALWAYS FELT THAT WE COULD SIT IN THE AUDIENCE AND WE CAN VOICE OUR CONCERNS, BUT UNTIL YOU SIT IN THOSE FIVE SEATS ON THE BOARD AND IN A COMMUNITY, CAN YOU ACTUALLY MAKE A CHANGE? AND EVEN THEN, IF WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH OF THE BOARD MEMBERS, IT IS STILL HARD TO MAKE A CHANGE, SO THERE IS A LOT THAT GOES INTO CDDS AND THERE IS A LOT THAT THE PEOPLE AND THE RESIDENTS THAT MOVE INTO THAT COMMUNITY, AS A REALTOR, I UNDERSTAND THERE IS A LOT THAT PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND. IF THE ROADS ARE BEING CONVEYED TO THE COUNTY OR IF YOU BUY INTO THAT SUBDIVISION AND THAT ROAD IS OWNED BY THE CDD, OR IF THAT BOND IS DONE IN PHASES AND IN THAT FIRST PHASE, YOU MOVE IN THERE FROM THE BUILDER, AND YOU BY YOUR HOME, [02:20:05] AND ALL OF A SUDDEN, THERE IS ANOTHER BOND BECAUSE YOU ARE DOING A SECOND PHASE, ARE YOU GOING TO BE HOUSE POOR? SO THANK YOU, AGAIN, FOR UNDERSTANDING. >> ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU, HELENA. ANYONE ELSE WANT TO SPEAK AT THIS PUBLIC HEARING? ALL RIGHT, SEEING NONE. I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING CAN I BRING IT BACK TO THE BOARD FOR A VOTE? >> I MOVE APPROVAL. >> WE HAVE A MOTION, DO WE HAVE A SECOND? >> I WILL SECOND THE MOTION. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? >> I WOULD JUST LIKE TO CLARIFY -- AND YOU KNOW, THE ESTIMATE OF $348 MILLION, THAT IS GOVERNED BY A STATUTE. THE MEANS BY WHICH YOU COME UP WITH THAT NUMBER -- ISN'T THAT CORRECT? >> YES, THE STATUTE REQUIRES US TO COME UP WITH THE ESTIMATED COSTS, BUT THOSE COSTS COME FROM THE ENGINEER, AND I HAVE PETER HERE, WHO CAN EXPAND ON THAT, AS WELL. BUT, THEIR ENGINEERING FIRM COMES UP WITH THE COST FOR THE ON-SITE AND OFF-SITE ROADWAYS, THE POTABLE WATER, SANITARY, SEWER, THE ENVIRONMENTAL MITIGATION THAT WE HAVE TO DO, THE AMENITIES, THE SWING SITES, BUT THOSE ARE ALL DEVELOPED BY A PROFESSIONAL ENGINEERING FIRM. WE THEN PUT THOSE IN THE PETITION. WE WILL DO ANOTHER ENGINEERS REPORT, AS WE GET CLOSER TO BOND VALIDATION, WHICH IS THE NEXT STEP, THAT WILL HAVE THOSE NUMBERS ADJUSTED FOR WHATEVER THEY ARE TODAY, VERSUS WHEN WE FILED THE PETITION IN MARCH. >> OKAY, THANK YOU. [23.  Public Hearing on Rocky Mountain Holdings, L.L.C.'s Application for a Certificate of Public Convenience and Necessity for Air Ambulance Service (J. Boree)] >> OKAY, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR INDICATE BY SAYING, AYE. >> AYE. >> THOSE OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES, 5-0. THANK YOU, GENTLEMEN, FOR COMING TONIGHT. ITEM NUMBER 23, PUBLIC HEARING ON ROCKY MOUNTAIN HOLDING LLC'S APPLICATION FOR A AMBULANCE SERVICE. CHIEF MOCK? >> THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. FLORIDA STATUTE DESIGNATES THE COUNTIES ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE PROVISION OF EMERGENCY MEDICAL SERVICES TO THEIR CITIZENS. CLAY COUNTY HAS DONE SO BY PROMULGATING CHAPTER 7.3 OF THE CLAY COUNTY ORDINANCE CODE IN WHICH IT ESTABLISHES THE STANDARDS FOR ISSUANCE AND ISSUING CERTIFICATES OF PUBLIC CONVENIENCE OF NECESSITY, OR COPCNS. IN FEBRUARY, THEY RECEIVED AN APPLICATION FROM ROCKY MOUNTAIN HOLDINGS LLC, REQUESTING AN ISSUANCE OF A CLASS G, H, FOR OPERATING AN AIR AMBULANCE IN CLAY COUNTY. THE ORDINANCE NOW REQUIRES THAT THE FIRE CHIEF ANALYZE THE APPLICATION IN ORDER TO DETERMINE, ONE, THE PUBLIC NEED FOR THE PROPOSED SERVICE IN THE GEOGRAPHICAL AREA REQUESTED, AND TWO, OTHER PERTINENT FACTS, WHICH THE FIRE RESCUE DEPARTMENT DEEMS RELEVANT IN DETERMINING THE FITNESS FOR AN APPLICANT TO RECEIVE THE CERTIFICATE. ALSO, AS REQUIRED BY ORDINANCE, A COPY OF THE APPLICATION WAS TRANSMITTED TO EACH MUNICIPALITY. THE COUNTIES' MEDICAL DIRECTOR, THE COUNTY'S OFFICE OF MANAGEMENT AND BUDGET DIRECTOR, THEY WERE REQUESTED TO FURNISH RECOMMENDATION OR COMMENTS EITHER IN WRITING PRIOR TO THE PUBLIC HEARING, OR IN PERSON AT TODAY'S PUBLIC HEARING, SO THEY MAY BE PART OF YOUR DELIBERATION, PRIOR TO ANY DECISION ON THE APPLICATION. TO DATE, WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY COMMENTS FROM OTHER MUNICIPALITIES. THE COUNTY MEDICAL DIRECTOR REVIEWED THE APPLICANT STANDARD OPERATING POLICIES AND PROCEDURES, AND THE MEDICAL TREATMENT PROTOCOLS, AS WELL AS THE EQUIPMENT LIST, AND PROVIDED A LETTER OF APPROVAL. SIMILARLY, THE OFFICE OF MANAGEMENT AND BUDGET DIRECTOR REVIEWED THE APPLICATION AND PROVIDED AN ANALYSIS OF THE FINANCIAL APPLICATIONS TO THE COUNTY, IF THE APPLICATION REQUEST IS APPROVED. FINALLY, I -- AS REQUIRED BY THE ORDINANCE -- PROVIDED A REVIEW OF THE APPLICATION WITH THE RECOMMENDATION THAT IT IS IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE COUNTY FOR THE BOARD TO GRANT THEIR REQUESTED COPCNS TO ROCKY MOUNTAIN HOLDINGS TO OPERATE AN AIR AMBULANCE SERVICE FROM THE TWO IDENTIFIED LOCATIONS, ALONG WITH AN EXEMPTION FROM THE REQUIREMENTS FOR MAINTAINING TWO FULLY STAFFED, OPERATING AMBULANCES. TODAY'S PUBLIC HEARING PROVIDES THE APPLICANT, CLAY COUNTY FIRE RESCUE, THE COUNTY'S MEDICAL DIRECTOR, ALL CERTIFICATE HOLDERS IN EACH MUNICIPALITY, TO APPEAR AND BE REPRESENTED BY COUNSEL, PRESENT WITNESSES AND EVIDENCE, CROSS-EXAMINE WITNESSES, AND PRESENT ARGUMENTS REGARDING THE APPLICATION. AT ITS CONCLUSION YOU, AS THE BOARD, SHALL, BASED ON COMPETENT, SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE PRESENTED IN WRITING OR AT THE PUBLIC HEARING, AS WELL AS CONSIDERATION OF ALL THE FACTORS AND INFORMATION PROVIDED IN THE APPLICATION AS REQUIRED BY SECTION 7.7 DASH THREE OF THE ORDINANCE, FIND WHETHER THE RESIDENCE IN THE COUNTY WOULD [02:25:06] BEST BE SERVED BY GRANTING THIS REQUEST SUBJECT TO ANY CONDITIONS OR LIMITATIONS, OR BY DENYING THE APPLICATION. MADAM CHAIR, IT IS BACK TO THE BOARD. >> THANK YOU, SIR. ANY QUESTIONS FOR CHIEF MOCK? ALL RIGHT. SEEING NONE. I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. IS THERE ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THE CERTIFICATE OF NEED FOR THE AIR AMBULANCE FOR ROCKY MOUNTAIN HOLDINGS? SEEING NONE. I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, AND I WILL BRING IT BACK TO THE BOARD. I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. >> SECOND >> OKAY, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? >> YES, MADAM CHAIR. I JUST HAVE AN OBSERVATION, I JUST WANT TO MAKE IT PUBLIC, AND THAT IS, THIS AIR AMBULANCE, IT CHARGES $511,000 PER LIFT, AND $619 PER MILE. I JUST WANT TO MAKE IT KNOWN THAT THIS IS AN EXPENSIVE OPERATION. IT IS -- I MEAN, THE WAY I ADDED UP, IF WE TRANSPORT FROM BAPTIST TO SHAMS, IT IS GOING TO BE $1.2 MILLION. >> AND FOR MYSELF, I DON'T THINK I WANT TO SPEAK FOR THE APPLICANT, THE APPLICANT IS HERE AND PRESENT, I THINK THE NUMBERS WERE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT IN THE APPLICATION THEN I MEMBER REVIEWING, BUT I WOULD INVITE THE APPLICANT TO COME UP AND ADDRESS THE CURRENT COST FOR TRANSPORT. >> TURBINE HELICOPTERS ARE EXPENSIVE, I KNOW THEY ARE FOUR, FIVE, $7 MILLION. >> A SUBSIDIARY OF ROCKY MOUNTAIN HOLDINGS AND YOU ARE CORRECT, THEY ARE EXPENSIVE IN THE BEGINNING OF THE BILL. >> CAN YOU COME AND SPEAK INTO THE MICROPHONE, PLEASE? >> IT IS ABOUT A $50,000 LEFT. I DON'T KNOW WHERE THOSE NUMBERS CAME FROM, BUT IT IS A $50,000 LEFT. >> OKAY. >> THAT COMES IN ON EOP, EXPLANATION OF BENEFITS. DUE TO THE NSA -- WHICH IS THE NO SURPRISES ACT -- WE COLLECT FROM INSURANCE COMPANIES, WE ARE IN NETWORK WITH APPROXIMATELY 80% OF THE INSURANCE COMPANIES THROUGHOUT THE U.S., EXCLUDING FLORDA BLUE. WE EXITED THEIR NETWORK THIS PAST YEAR. BUT, WE DO TREAT THOSE PATIENTS AS IN NETWORK PATIENTS. SO, ULTIMATELY, WHAT HAPPENS IS WE NEGOTIATE WITH THE INSURANCE COMPANY, MEDICARE, MEDICAID, AND THEN WE TURN IT OVER TO A CARES PROGRAM WHICH IS AN INTERNAL PROGRAM WE HAVE THAT DOES A FINANCIAL STABILITY OR ABILITY ANALYSIS WITH THE PATIENT, SO THE AVERAGE OUT-OF-POCKET COST FOR A HELICOPTER IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA -- DUE TO THE NSA -- IS LESS THAN $500, OUT-OF-POCKET TO THE PATIENT. SO, IN HISTORICAL YEARS, THAT WAS NOT THE CASE, BEFORE THE NO SURPRISES ACT WAS PASSED. NOW, THAT IS THE CASE. >> I THOUGHT I READ THAT THERE WAS NEVER GOING TO BE A CLAIM AGAINST THE INDIVIDUAL, IS THAT -- YOU SAID THERE IS? >> WE DO NOT FILE CLAIMS AGAINST INDIVIDUALS, WE DO NOT TAKE PEOPLE TO COURT FOR BALANCES. >> OKAY, SO THE OUT-OF-POCKET EXPENSE IS DUE TO INSURANCE? >> 90% OF THE TIME, THAT IS WHAT THEY NEGOTIATED WITH THEIR INSURANCE POLICY, THEIR DEDUCTIBLE WITH THE INSURANCE COMPANY. WE DO NOT GO AFTER PEOPLE FOR BALANCE BILLS, THAT IS NOW ILLEGALUNDER THE NSA. >> AND UNTIL YOU NEGOTIATE REYNOLDS PARK ACCESS, YOU WILL BE -- >> SO, CURRENTLY THE HELICOPTER IS BASED IN BAPTIST SOUTH, THERE IS A SOUTHERN AIRCRAFT IN THE SYSTEM, THERE ARE THREE OF THEM, BAPTIST NORTH, BAPTIST SOUTH, AND THEN THERE IS KIDS CARE, WHICH IS THE THREE DIFFERENT PROGRAMS. THIS AIRCRAFT WOULD ROTATE BETWEEN CLAY COUNTY IN ITS CURRENT LOCATION, BASED ON LOGISTICS OF THE CURRENT SYSTEM NEED. REYNOLDS PARK IS IN THE FUTURE. IT IS, UNFORTUNATELY, RAW LAND THAT HAS TO BE DEVELOPED AND LAID OUT AT THE END OF THE RUNWAY AND WE ARE IN NEGOTIATIONS WITH THAT NOW, BUT THAT WILL BE ME BECAUSE IT IS TREES AND MUD. >> OKAY, THANK YOU. >> OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? DID WE HAVE A MOTION, YET? DID I GET A MOTION? >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING, AYE.. >> AYE. >> MOTION CARRIES, 5-0. THANK YOU. WE APPRECIATE IT. OKAY, NOW, WE ARE MOVING INTO OUR ZONING HEARINGS. WE HAVE SEVEN [02:30:03] OF THEM, IF MY MATH IS CORRECT. AND SO, WE -- THIS IS A LOT OF PEOPLE. NOT AS MANY AS WE THOUGHT WE WOULD HAVE. IS THERE ANYONE DOWNSTAIRS, IN THE OVERFLOW? >> NO, MA'AM. >> OKAY, SO, IF YOU ARE INTERESTED IN SPEAKING ON ITEMS 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, OR 31, WE WOULD LIKE -- WE HAVE TO SWEAR YOU IN, AND THE REASON FOR THIS IS NORMALLY, THIS BOARD OPERATES IN A LEGISLATIVE MANNER, AND ZONING'S ARE ONE ITEM THAT WE DO A QUASI-JUDICIAL PROCESS, SO IT IS A LITTLE BIT MORE FORMAL. WHAT YOU ARE GOING TO SPEAK ON HIS CONSIDERED TESTIMONY. AND SO, OUR WONDERFUL CLERK WILL SWEAR YOU IN, SO IF YOU ARE GOING TO SPEAK ON ANY OF THOSE ITEMS, WE ASK THAT YOU STAND AND BE SWORN IN. ALSO, IF YOU HAVE TURN IN A CARD AND YOU ARE WAIVING YOUR SPEAKING RIGHT BUT YOU STILL ARE TURNING IN A CARD, PLEASE STAND, AS WELL. >> AND IF THEY COULD MOVE TO THE CENTER OF THE ROOM? >> AND THEY NEED YOU TO MOVE TO THE CENTER OF THE ROOM, SO THAT THEY CAN SEE YOU ON THE CAMERA. CAN YOU ALL MOVE OVER TOWARD THE CAMERA, SO THEY CAN SEE YOU? ALL RIGHT. HOPEFULLY, CHRISTIE CAN [24.  Final Public Hearing to consider adoption of ZON 24-0034. (D. Selig)] SEE ALL OF YOU WHEN SHE GOES BACK TO WATCH IT. OKAY. >> IF YOU WOULD RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND, PLEASE? DO YOU SOLEMNLY SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE TESTIMONY YOU ARE ABOUT TO GIVE IS THE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH, SO HELP YOU GOD? THANK YOU, ALL. >> THANK YOU. OUR FIRST PUBLIC HEARING IS THE FIRST FINAL PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER ADOPTION OF ZONE FOR STAFF AMENDMENT TO THE DEVELOPMENT CODE. >> GOOD EVENING. THIS ITEM IS ACTUALLY GOING TO BE BROUGHT BACK TO YOU AT A LATER DATE, WE REALLY DON'T HAVE A TIME, YET. SO, THIS WAS -- IT WAS CONTINUED. THAT WAS THE WORD I WANTED. BACK IN MARCH, I THINK. SO, WE THOUGHT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO PRESERVE THE ADVERTISING, BUT WE WEREN'T ABLE TO MAKE ENOUGH CHANGES TO JUSTIFY [25.  Public Hearing to consider COMP 25-0006 and ZON 25-0005 (District 4, Comm. Condon) (J. Bryla)] RE-ADVERTISING. AND WE WILL NOT BE DISCUSSING THE ITEM IN LENGTH. >> OKAY, SO, WE ARE NOT DISCUSSING ITEM 24, BUT I WILL OPEN THE ADVERTISED PUBLIC HEARING, IF YOU WANTED TO SPEAK TO US ON THIS AND YOU ARE HERE FOR THAT -- I DON'T HAVE ANY CARDS -- BUT, IF YOU WANTED TO SPEAK ON ITEM 24, WAVE. ALL RIGHT. SEEING NONE. I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, AND WE NEED TO VOTE TO CONTINUE IT, OR JUST MOVE ON? OKAY. ITEM NUMBER 25, PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER COMP 25-006 AND THE ASSOCIATED ZONING OF CON -005. MS. CARLA? >> I BELIEVE, MADAM CHAIR -- >> JENNY, WILL YOU TURN YOUR MICROPHONE ON? >> YES, EXCUSE ME. I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT IS HERE, MADAM CHAIR, TO REQUEST A CONTINUANCE. >> OKAY. >> WHICH WAS THE PC SUBCOMMISSION. >> OKAY, THANKS. FRANK, DO YOU WANT TO COME UP? >> MY NAME IS FRANK MILLER, MY ADDRESS IS 1 INDEPENDENT DRIVE SUITE 2300 IN JACKSONVILLE. THIS MATTER WENT TO THE CLAY HILL MIDDLEBURG CAC MEETING PRIOR TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, AND WAS NOT WELL RECEIVED, SO WE ASKED AND OBTAINED A CONTINUANCE OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING FOR OUR HEARING ON THIS MATTER UNTIL JUNE AND NOW WE ARE ACTUALLY GOING TO BE ASKING THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO CONTINUE IT AGAIN BECAUSE WE ARE REDEVELOPING OR REVISITING THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN, SO I WOULD ASK THAT YOU AGREE TO CONTINUE THIS HEARING UNTIL THE SECOND MEETING IN JUNE. WE WILL HAVE TO REPOST OR CHANGE THE DATES ON THE SIGNS. >> OKAY. ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR FRANK? YES? >> SO, FOR CLARIFICATION, YOU SAID YOU ARE REQUESTING PLANNING IN JUNE, TWO DEFERRED TO JULY. DO YOU WANT TO REQUEST THIS BOARD TO CONTINUE YOURS UNTIL THE SECOND MEETING IN JULY? [02:35:01] >> I WOULD LOVE THAT. >> OKAY. ALL RIGHT. >> AND YOU'VE GOT TO HERE BOTH, I THINK. YOU HAVE TO HEAR THE COMP PLAN REQUEST AND THE ZONING BOARD REQUEST. >> YES, THAT WOULD BE JULY 22ND? >> TUESDAY? >> YEAH. >> IT IS THE 22ND. >> OKAY. JULY 22ND. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MR. MILLER OR COURTNEY? ALL RIGHT. I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR ITEM NUMBER 25. I HAVE TWO CARDS FROM AMBER CROSBY, WAVING, SPEAKING AGAINST, AND MELISSA SMITH, WAVING, SPEAKING AGAINST, SHE SAID SHE WILL EMAIL HER REASONINGS. AND IS THERE ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? ALL RIGHT. SEEING NONE, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, AND I WILL BRING IT BACK TO THE BOARD. TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON CONTINUING TO THE SECOND MEETING IN JULY 22ND. >> I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONTINUANCE TO JULY 22ND FOR ITEM NUMBER 25. >> OKAY, WE HAVE A MOTION, DO WE HAVE A SECOND? >> SECOND. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND, FURTHER DISCUSSION? I JUST WANT TO SAY, THANK YOU, MR. MILLER, FOR HEARING OUR CAC, AND FOR GOING BACK AND WORKING WITH THEM TO TRY TO GET IT RIGHT. THAT IS THE WAY OUR PROCESS IS DESIGNED TO WORK, SO THANK YOU [26.  Final Public Hearing to consider PUD 25-0002 (District 5, Comm Burke) (J. Bryla)] FOR THAT. WE APPRECIATE THAT. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, INDICATE BY SAYING, AYE. >> AYE. >> ALL THOSE OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES, 5-0. THANK YOU. ITEM 26, FINAL PUBLIC HEARING TO INCLUDE HUD 25-002. >> THANK YOU, CHAIR. GOOD EVENING. JENNY BURRELL, ZONING CHIEF HERE TO PRESENT APPLICATION PUD 25-002. THIS PROJECT IS REQUESTING TO DEVELOP A CPA OFFICE ON THE COMMERCIAL LOT. THE REQUEST HAS BEEN REVIEWED ONCE BEFORE AS A STRAIGHT ZONING REQUEST TO BE A NEIGHBORHOOD BUSINESS, AND THAT REQUEST WAS DENIED. THE APPLICANT HAS SINCE SUBMITTED A REVISED PLAN FOR A PLANNED COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT. NEXT SLIDE. THE GRAPHIC ON THE LEFT IS SHOWING AN AERIAL -- THE GRAPHIC ON THE LEFT IS SHOWING AN AERIAL OF THE PROPERTY. AS YOU CAN SEE, THE LOCATION OF THE PROPERTY IS ADJACENT TO HIGHWAY 17, AND THEN THE GRAPHIC ON THE RIGHT ARE THE PARCELS THAT WERE NOTIFIED ABOUT THE PROJECT. SO, AS STATED, THE EXISTING ZONING OF THE COMMERCIAL PROFESSIONAL OFFICE DISTRICT OF THE PARCEL IS SHOWN ON THE LEFT, WHICH IS BA 2. AND THEN, THE GRAPHIC ON THE RIGHT IS THE PROPOSED ZONING, WHICH IS PLANNED COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT. YOU SEE THE OTHER COMMERCIAL SWATH OF DEVELOPMENT, WHICH IS IN THE GRAVE. AND THEN, THE GREEN COLOR IS THE AR, AGRICULTURAL RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICTS. AND THE FLU OR THE FUTURE LAND USE CATEGORY OF THIS PARCEL IS ALSO COMMERCIAL. THE ILLUSTRATION SHOWS THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN FOR THE PROJECT AND AS A REMINDER, TRAFFIC IS NOT A CRITERIA THAT STAFF EVALUATES AGAINST THE CRITERIA IN THE CODE. THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE SUBMISSION OF THE PCD REQUEST IS BASED ON THE CODE. THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED THE FOLLOWING. THE USES THAT ARE GOING TO BE PERMITTED THROUGH THIS PCD AND USE IS NOT PERMITTED WITHIN THE PCD. IN GENERAL, THE USES ALLOWED ARE THOSE INCLUDED IN THE ZONING DISTRICT, A PROFESSIONAL OFFICE CATEGORY EXCEPT FOR MEDICAL OFFICES WILL BE PROHIBITED IN THIS ZONING, PCB. THIS PLAN DIFFERS FROM THE STANDARD APPLICATION CODE AS A REQUIREMENT AND THE APPLICATION HAS PROVIDED GREATER SETBACKS FROM THE EXISTING, NONCONFORMING RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY, FOR ENHANCING LANDSCAPING ALONG THE ROAD AND ADDITIONAL RECREATION OPPORTUNITIES AND PRESERVATION ELEMENTS ENHANCED. ENHANCED STORMWATER AND DRAINAGE AS WELL AS THE REQUIRED SIDEWALK [02:40:01] CONNECTIONS. THIS PLAN IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE AREA, A CRITERIA OFF THE CODE. THIS PLAN IS CONSISTENT WITH THE INTENSITIES AND USES ALONG HIGHWAY 17 AND THE ZONING AND LAND USE FOR THE SITE. HOW THIS DEVELOPMENT WILL ACCOMPLISH A MORE DESIRED PROJECT THAN STRAIGHT APPLICATION OF THE CODE, THE APPLICANT WILL PROVIDE ENHANCED SETBACKS, AS A SHARED. A BUFFER TO SEPARATE THE USES OF THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES. AND THE APPLICANT WILL BE TIED TO THE SITE PLAN PRESENTED TO YOU TONIGHT OR THEY WILL NEED TO RESTART THE PROCESS AGAIN AND COME BACK FOR IT. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. THE APPLICANT HAS MET WITH THE SPRING CAC AND RECEIVED A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL, 5-0. THE APPLICANT ALSO MET WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION AT THEIR PUBLIC HEARING, AT WHICH THEY RECEIVED A RECOMMENDATION OF 7-1 IN FAVOR. AND HAVING GONE THROUGH THE EIGHT CRITERIA FOR APPROVAL OF REZONING, STAFF HAS FOUND THAT THE APPLICANT HAS MET ALL OF THE REQUIREMENTS OUTLINED, AND DOES RECOMMEND APPROVAL. SO, I AM HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE. >> QUESTIONS FOR JENNY? JENNY, I HAVE ONE. SO, IN THE APPLICATION FOR THE PUD, YOU SAID MEDICAL OFFICES WERE PROHIBITED. IN BA-2 ZONING, IT LISTS MORE THAN MEDICAL, IT LISTS OSTEOPATH, IT LISTS DENTAL, AND CHIROPRACTIC. AND SO, MY QUESTION IS, WHEN THEY SAY MEDICAL OFFICES WOULD BE PROHIBITED, WHAT DOES THAT INCLUDE? >> THAT WOULD INCLUDE ALL OF THOSE BUSINESS CATEGORIES. >> OKAY, AND WHAT IT ALSO INCLUDED MEDICAL MARIJUANA? >> NO, THAT WOULD BE MEDICINAL, SO IT WOULD PROHIBIT THAT USE. >> IT WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED? >> CORRECT. >> SO, IF WE PASSED THE PUD, THOSE THINGS THAT I LISTED WOULD BE SPECIFICALLY PROHIBITED AT THAT LOCATION? >> CORRECT. >> AND COULD THEY EVER COME BACK AND CHANGE THAT? >> SURE. >> EITHER THIS OWNER OR SOMEONE ELSE? >> HE COULD COME BACK, BUT IT WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK BEFORE THIS BOARD. >> IT WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK BEFORE THE BCC. AND UNDER BA-2, ALL OF THOSE MEDICAL OFFICES LISTED ARE ALLOWED? >> CORRECT. BY RIGHT. THE CONDITIONAL USES OUR PUBLIC ASSEMBLY, RESIDENTAL DWELLINGS, AND VISITOR CENTERS. >> OKAY. SO, UNDER BA-2 ZONING THAT IT CURRENTLY HAS TODAY, IT COULD BE A DAY CARE CENTER? >> NO, THAT IS A CONDITIONAL USE. >> SO, THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK AND ASK TO MAKE IT A DAY CARE CENTER? >> RIGHT, IF THEY DIDN'T CHANGE THE ZONING. >> PUBLIC ASSEMBLY AND WHAT WAS THE OTHER? >> RESIDENTIAL DWELLINGS THE UNIT IS NOT PERMITTED. >> SO IT COULD BE SOLD AS A RESIDENTIAL HOME WITHOUT COMING BACK? >> CORRECT. >> OKAY. OTHER QUESTIONS FOR JENNY? >> SORRY, I GOT A LITTLE CONFUSED, THERE. GO BACK TO CURRENT ZONING, WHAT IS PERMISSIBLE USE UNDER CURRENT ZONING? >> PERMISSIBLE BY RIGHT IN THE BA-2 ZONING DISTRICT ALLOWS FOR OFFICES, DOCTORS, DENTISTS, OSTEOPATHS, CHIROPRACTORS, MEDICAL LABORATORIES, ATTORNEYS, ENGINEERING OFFICES, ACCOUNTING, AUDITING, BOOKKEEPING SERVICES, REAL ESTATE SALES. >> THANK YOU. >> I DID HAVE A QUESTION FOR JENNY. DURING THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING, YOU WERE SHARING -- OR, ATTEMPTING TO CLARIFY, CONCERNING A FUTURE POTENTIAL OWNER OF THAT PARCEL. AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE IS RESTRICTION ON SHOULD THIS MOVE FORWARD, AND THERE ARE LIMITATIONS ON WHAT COULD BE IN THAT SPACE. BUT, I WONDERED ABOUT SUBLETTING AND WHETHER THERE IS ANY REQUIREMENT. I BELIEVE THE ASK IS, FOR 4000 SQUARE FEET, AND ALSO THIS COMMITMENT THAT THIS WOULD BE PASSED DOWN WITHIN HIS FAMILY. BUT, LET'S SAY, FOR ONE REASON OR ANOTHER, THEY HAVE TO SUBLET PART OF THAT IS 4000 SQUARE FEET. WHO, THEN, WOULD MONITOR WHETHER THE BUSINESS THEY WOULD SUBLET TO WOULD NOT HAVE INCREASE OF TRAFFIC FLOW? >> SO, COMMISSIONER, IF IT WERE ONE OF THE USES IDENTIFIED THAT WERE ALLOWED IN THE PD, IT COULD GO INTO THAT UNIT, BUT WE WOULD MONITOR WITH THE CHANGE OF [02:45:05] OCCUPANCY, AND THEN WE WOULD DETERMINE THAT IT DOES NOT INCREASE THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS AT ALL AND MAINTAINED THAT IT WAS CONSISTENT WITH THE PLANNED COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT APPROVALS. >> SO, IF I AM UNDERSTANDING YOU CORRECTLY, BEFORE ANY SUBLETTING CAN TAKE PLACE, IT WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK TO THE BCC FOR ANALYSIS? >> NO, IT WOULD COME TO OUR DIVISION FOR A CHANGE OF OCCUPANCY. >> OKAY, SO WE ARE -- OKAY. I THINK WE ARE SAYING THE SAME THING. THEY MAY NOT BE COMING TO THE FIVE, BUT IT DOES HAVE TO COME TO THE COUNTY? >> CORRECT. >> ALL RIGHT. SO, THEN, WHAT IS THE PROCESS FOR THAT? >> THERE IS AN APPLICATION IN WHICH I REVIEW THE USE, AND THEN EVALUATE IT, BASED ON OUR ARTICLE EIGHT, WHICH IS OUR PARKING, TO SEE IF IT MEETS THE CRITERIA OF THE USES THAT ARE PERMITTED, AND THE PARKING GENERATED FOR THAT USE. BECAUSE THERE IS A FINITE NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES ASSOCIATED WITH THIS SITE PLAN. >> WHAT REQUIRES AN OWNER TO HAVE TO COME BACK TO THE COUNTY ONCE THEY HAVE RECEIVED THEIR APPROVAL? >> IN WHAT REGARD? FOR A DIFFERENT -- >> SO, IF THERE IS A CHANGE OF USE, THEN THEY WOULD HAVE TO AMEND THE PD. IF THERE IS A CHANGE OF OCCUPANCY, THEN THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME TO THE COUNTY, BUT IT IS ESSENTIALLY AN ADMINISTRATIVE -- WE REVIEW IT BASED ON THEIR IMPACT, TO SEE IF WHAT IS IN PLACE CAN ACCOMMODATE WHAT IMPACT THEY MIGHT HAVE. IF IT IS ANOTHER CPA OFFICE OR AN ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, THOSE WOULD HAVE LIKE IMPACTS FOR TRAFFIC AND PARKING. >> I DON'T THINK -- I DON'T THINK THAT ANSWERS MY QUESTION. WHAT I AM TRYING TO FIND OUT -- LET ME FLIP MY QUESTION. >> OKAY. >> DOES THE COUNTY HAVE ANY MECHANISM OF TRACKING WHETHER THE PROPERTY HAS BEEN SUBLET? >> JUST THE CHANGE IN OCCUPANCY, THEY ARE REQUIRED TO GET THAT BEFORE THEY CAN MOVE INTO THE BUILDING. >> OKAY. >> I SEE WHERE YOU ARE GOING. I THINK THE ANSWER IS, NO, BECAUSE UNLESS THEY SELF-REPORT, WE WOULD NOT KNOW THAT. >> IF WE HAD A BUSINESS LICENSE REQUIREMENT, THEN THEY WOULD HAVE TO. >> BUT, YOU COULD ALSO HAVE A CODE ENFORCEMENT ACTION. >> EXACTLY. IT WOULD BE IN VIOLATION. >> IF CODE ENFORCEMENT GOT A COMPLAINT -- JUST, I MEAN, I WILL GIVE YOU ANOTHER ASSOCIATED EXAMPLE. YOU CAN'T CLEAR TREES WITHOUT AN APPROVED PLAN ON COMMERCIAL PROPERTY. SO, CODE ENFORCEMENT GOES OUT AND YOU KNOW, INVESTIGATES THAT. AND THEN, BUT, PLANNING AND ZONING ARE THE ONES WHO THE APPROVED SITE PLAN HAS TO BE APPROVED THROUGH. >> IF I COULD MAKE A COMMENT, IF THEY GO TO DO A CHANGE UP AND TRY TO GET THE POWER CHANGED INTO THEIR NAME, CLAY ELECTRIC WILL NOT DO THAT WITHOUT A PERMIT FROM THE COUNTY, SO THE CHANGE UP HAS TO COME THROUGH US. >> SO, UNLESS MR. HUNT IS GOING TO PAY THEIR ELECTRIC BILL -- WHICH, I AM SURE PEOPLE DO IT -- DID THAT ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS? >> I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY WANT TO GET -- MAYBE CHIEF MARK WANTS TO MOVE INTO HOWARD'S SEAT. MY QUESTION, JIMMY, YOU CAN ANSWER ON. BUT, I ASKED CHIEF MARK IF HE WOULD BE WILLING TO ANSWER. I HAD SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THE EMERGENCY RESPONSE. I THOUGHT I REMEMBERED THAT AT THE PREVIOUS TIME THIS CAME TO US AND WAS DENIED -- SORRY, WE MADE A LITTLE CHANGE WHILE YOU WERE OUT. I THOUGHT I REMEMBERED THAT THERE WAS SOMETHING TO DO WITH THEIR ORIGINAL SITE PLAN BEFORE IT EVER CAME TO THE BCC, THEY WENT TO DRC OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT THERE HAD BEEN AN OBJECTION TO EMERGENCY RESPONSE TO THEIR ORIGINAL SITE PLAN, SO I JUST WANTED YOU TO SPEAK TO THE PROPOSALS THAT JENNY HAS SHOWN US TODAY. LIKE, IS THERE A PROBLEM AT THAT LOCATION FOR FIRE RESPONSE? >> THE PREVIOUS PROPOSAL THAT WAS REVIEWED THAT DID COME BEFORE DRC DID NOT HAVE ANY LIMITATION ON ACCESS TO THE PROPERTY. THAT WAS ALL COMPLIANT, WHEN I CHECKED WITH PLANS REVIEW. THE ONLY NOTATION AT THAT TIME WAS THE NEED FOR ADDITIONAL HYDRANTS, THE WATER SUPPLY DOESN'T RUN TO THAT AREA. THEY WOULD HAVE TO DO THAT OR EXTEND TO THAT POINT. WE THEN TOOK A LOOK AT WHAT WAS PRESENTED IN THE APPLICATION BEFORE YOU TODAY, IT WOULD APPEAR, FROM WHAT WE CAN REVIEW, THAT IT WOULD ALSO NOT HAVE ANY [02:50:03] RESTRICTION ON ACCESS AND AGAIN SIMILARLY WOULD NEED THE HYBRIDS TO BE COMPLIANT. >> SO, TODAY, THERE ARE NOT SUFFICIENT HYDRANTS, REGARDLESS OF WHAT HAPPENS HERE, WHETHER THE ZONING REMAINS THE CHANGE, AND HE BUILDS ON THE PROPERTY WITH THE CURRENT ZONING AND LAND USE, OR IF, UNDER THIS, THEY HAVE TO WORK WITH GREEN COVE SPRINGS TO ADD HYDRANTS? >> FOR A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY, IT IS GOING TO NEED TO HAVE THE WATER SUPPLY PIECE. >> AND THAT DOES NOT EXIST -- >> AT PRESENT, CORRECT. >> THANK YOU, CHIEF. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? ALL RIGHT. APPLICANT? >> FOR THE SAKE OF THE PUBLIC, THE STACK OF PAPERS THAT WAS HANDED TO US BY THE APPLICANT WILL BE PART OF THE PUBLIC RECORD MINUTES. >> GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS, MADAME CHAIRWOMAN. JOSS CONKLE, 211 LARGELY ON BEHALF OF THE PROPERTY OWNER. I ALSO HAVE OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEER HERE, AS WELL. ALSO, OUR CIVIL ENGINEER HERE, AS WELL, TO ANSWER ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE ABOUT THE CIVIL SIDE OF THE PROJECT AS WELL AS THE PROJECT OWNER. WE HAVE NOT SPOKEN TO YOU ABOUT THIS, THIS PROJECT ITSELF IS COMING BACK TO YOU IN A DIFFERENT FORM. I WASN'T HERE AT THE BEGINNING WHEN THIS FIRST CAME BACK TO YOU IN NOVEMBER, WHEN IT WAS DENIED BY YOUR PLANNING COMMISSION, WHEN YOU, THE SELECTING BODY, DENIED IT, AS WELL. IT DID COME TO YOU PREVIOUSLY IN THE FORM OF ZONING INCREASING IN INTENSITY, AND SOMETHING THAT I WOULD NOT HAVE BROUGHT IT TO YOU AS, IN GOING BACK AND WATCHING THOSE PREVIOUS MEETINGS, BA DOES HAVE A HIGHER, MORE INTENSE USE AND I LISTENED TO THE CONCERNS FROM THOSE NEIGHBORS AT PREVIOUS MEETINGS, UNDERSTANDING THEIR CONCERNS FROM TRAFFIC TO THE MORE INTENSE USES OF WHAT COULD BE HERE, KNOWING THESE NEIGHBORS HAVE LIVED ON THIS ROAD FOR A VERY LONG TIME. AN UNDERSTANDING AS AS THIS COUNTY HAS CHANGED OVER THE YEARS, COMES GROWTH AND SO FORTH. AND TAKEN TO UNDERSTAND WHAT HAS COME AROUND MORE RECENTLY, TO THE RESIDENCE OF THE NORTH, ALSO. WOULD I HAVE DONE IN LOOKING AT THIS IN TRYING TO ACHIEVE MY CLIENTS' OBJECTIVES OF HAVING A CPA FIRM IN THIS AREA, AND TO HAVE A HOME FOR HIS 10 EMPLOYEES TO PRACTICE, IT IS TAKING THE EXISTING ZONING AND GOING FROM BA-2 TO PCD. TAKING THE EXISTING ZONING -- WHAT YOU HAVE HEARD THE STAFF THIS EVENING STATE -- IT PROVIDES FOR THE ABILITY TO HAVE COMMERCIAL AND A PROFESSIONAL OFFICE, AS WELL AS AN ARRAY OF MEDICAL OFFICE USES. MEDICAL OFFICE TYPICALLY DOES BRING, WHEN WE THINK OF SUCH, A HIGHER TRAFFIC COUNT. SOMETHING THAT, UNDER THESE NEIGHBORS, DID NOT WANT TO SEE. WE HAVE REMOVED THAT IN THIS PCD. IN THE PREVIOUS, WHEN IT WAS PRESENTED, THERE WAS A BUILDING THAT WAS GOING TO BE PLACED ON THE LOT LINE. WE ARE SITTING TO THE NORTH OF US, I WILL PROVIDE IT TO YOU, AND I WILL GO OVER THESE IMAGES I PROVIDED TO YOU. THERE IS A PICTURE OF THE SITE PLAN ITSELF, YOU SAW IT ON THE SCREEN AGO A MOMENT AGO AND IN YOUR PACKETS, BUT I WANT TO REFER IT TO YOU FOR A SECOND. THE BUILDING ITSELF WAS ACTUALLY PLACED ON THE LOT LINE. COMMERCIAL AND COMMERCIAL TO THE WEST. THERE IS A RESIDENT WHO DOES HAVE DUAL ZONING, BUT THEIR HOME IS ZONED INTO COMMERCIAL ZONING ITSELF, WHICH ALLOWS US TODAY TO PLACE A BUILDING, A COMMERCIAL BUILDING ON THE LOT LINE WITH NO SETBACKS. ORIGINALLY IT WAS PROPOSED TO HAVE THE BUILDING ON THE LOT LINE BACK IN NOVEMBER WITH PARKING IN THE FRONT, SOMETHING THAT MIRRORS WHAT MANY OF US GET FRUSTRATED ABOUT IN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, SOMETHING WE DO NOT WANT IN THIS COUNTY. WHAT WE HAVE DONE INSTEAD IS REPLACED THE BUILDING UP AGAINST 17TH, UNDERSTANDING THE MAJOR CONCERN OF HAVING SOMEONE LOOK THROUGH HER WINDOWS. WE DO NOT WANT THAT FOR THEM, BY ANY MEANS. WE PLACED THE BUILDING UP AGAINST 17, THE BUILDING IS A TWO STORY STUCK OUT TO MEET THE DEMAND FOR MY CLIENT. THE BA-2 ZONING ALLOWS MORE THAN ONE BUILDING TO HAVE 2500 SQUARE FEET EACH. WHAT I PROVIDED INTO THAT PACKAGE THERE ARE SOME SITE PLANS THAT SHOW THREE DIFFERENT DRAWINGS FOR IF WE WERE TO BUILD TODAY AND IF THIS WEREN'T ABLE TO PASS, OWNERS COULD MOVE FORWARD [02:55:43] AND WE STILL PLAN ON DEVELOPING THIS SITE TO COMMERCIAL USED TO PUT THE CPA FIRM. HOWEVER, THERE ARE SOME CONCEPTS TO BE PLAYED WITH, WITH BOTH THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS AS WELL AS IF WE PUT TWO BUILDINGS ON SITE TODAY, WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE. WE HAVE A MAXIMIZED SPACE, IT WOULD BE AN ODD SHAPED BUILDING, IT WOULD NOT BE SIGHTLY OR APPEALING TO MY CLIENTS AND TO HIS CUSTOMERS. IT WOULD NOT BE SOMETHING HE WOULD BE PROUD OF WHEN ENTERING CLAY COUNTY. YES, WHEN HE BOUGHT THIS PARCEL AND STARTED BUYING THIS A COUPLE YEARS AGO, HE KNEW WHAT HE WAS BUYING, BUT HE ALSO WANTED SOMETHING BETTER FOR THIS COUNTY, SOMETHINGTHIS COUNTY COULD ABSOLUTELY BE PROUD OF. HE WANTS SOMETHING THIS COUNTY CAN BE PROUD OF. THIS IS THE FIRST BUILDING YOU WILL SEE. WE WANT IT TO BE ATTRACTIVE. I PROVIDED SOME IMAGES IN THERE THAT YOU CAN SEE FIRSTHAND OF WHAT THIS BUILDING, SOME RENDERINGS OF THIS BUILDING, WHAT WE PLAN IT TO LOOK LIKE, TO MIRROR THE RESIDENTIAL JUST NORTH OF US. YOU HAVE AMERICAN RENTAL HOME FOR RENT, RIGHT TO THE NORTH OF US. WE WANT THIS TO LOOK MORE LIKE THE RESIDENTIAL CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO THE NORTH OF US, BY WHAT WE HAVE DEVELOPED PROPOSING HERE TODAY. THE BUILDING IS ACTUALLY SHORTER THAN THE HEIGHT OF THOSE RESIDENTIAL HOMES, TO KEEP THAT INTO PERSPECTIVE. THE BUILDING FOOTPRINT ITSELF IS 4200 SQUARE FEET WITH 4000 SQUARE FEET OF USABLE OFFICE SPACES, NOT ASKING FOR ANY VARIATION OF SUCH. THE FIRST FLOOR IS 2000 SQUARE FEET, SO INSTEAD OF PUTTING A 2500 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING PLUS AN ADDITIONAL BUILDING, AS WELL, WE ARE LIMITING THAT CLOSE TO THE GROUND FLOOR WITH ENHANCED LANDSCAPING, PROVIDING THE SETBACKS WE HAVE THE SETBACK PER CODE, AND THE BUILDING IS SET BACK FAR FROM THE NORTH, AS WELL. YOU ARE GOING TO HEAR FROM SOME OF THE NEIGHBORS THAT SEE THEM IN THE AUDIENCE TONIGHT, THAT SAW THEM ON THE ROAD. BUT, ACTUALLY, THE NEIGHBOR TO US HAD REPRESENTATION THAT I UNDERSTAND IS NO LONGER BEING RETAINED BY THEM, THEY ARE NO LONGER RETAINING THE COUNSEL THEY ARE UTILIZING, BUT THE CONVERSATION WITH THE COUNCIL WE WERE WORKING DIRECTLY WITH AND TRYING TO FIND OPPORTUNITY TO WORK DIRECTL WITH THE NEIGHBORS, ADDRESSING THEIR CONCERNS THROUGH THIS PROCESS, WE ACTUALLY -- HE CAME TO ME AND WE HAD A CONVERSATION HE SAID, WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO PROVIDE AN ADDITIONAL BUFFER? ORIGINALLY, WE HAD THE PARKING LOTS OF AGAINST THEMSELVES, AND WE SAID, WOULD YOU BE OPEN TO HAVING A BUFFER THERE? WE SAID, WE WILL DO ONE BETTER, WE WILL PUT A 10 FOOT, UNDISTURBED VEGETATIVE BUFFER THERE, SO WE PLANTED THAT, AND WE HAD AN ENGINEER HERE, PUT IT INTO OUR SITE PLAN TO SHOW THAT WE ARE IN GOOD FAITH TRYING TO WORK WITH THE NEIGHBORS, SO WE HAVE THE BA-2 USE THAT THE HOME SITS ON, A 10 FOOT VEG ESTATE OF UNDISTURBED BUFFER AND ENHANCED TREE PLANTINGS, AS WELL. YOU HAVE BETWEEN THE BUILDING ITSELF THAT SITS AGAINST 17 AND THE LOT LINE TO THE WEST, 90 FEET, TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA. THAT IS A LONG SETBACK ALONG WITH, LIKE I SAID, UNDISTURBED TREES, ET CETERA, THAT WILL BUFFER US FROM THE PROPERTY. WOULD I PROVIDED, AS WELL, SO THAT YOU CAN SEE FIRSTHAND, IS WHAT THE RENDERING AND ELEVATION WOULD LOOK LIKE IF WE WERE TO DO TWO BUILDINGS, INSTEAD. IT IS NOT THE BEST PICTURE, BY ANY MEANS, IT IS JUST US TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE WOULD ACCOMMODATE THAT SITE, THE MAXIMUM WE COULD DO. BY BRINGING IT UP TO STANDARD, WHETHER WE DO THE ONE STORY OR TWO STORY BUILDING, WE HAVE TO BRING THAT ROAD TO STANDARD IN FRONT OF THE PARCEL ON REESER ROAD. WE HAVE TO BRING IT TO COUNTY STANDARDS, IT HAS TO GET PAVED. THAT PORTION WILL BE A COUNTY ROAD, COUNTY MAINTAINED THEIR ROAD, THEREAFTER. THEREFORE, IT WILL BE A PUBLIC SECTION OF THE ROAD, GOING FORWARD. WE ARE ENHANCING ALONG THE LINES OF 17 THERE, ALSO, WITH THE TREE PLANTINGS TO MAKE IT MORE ATTRACTIVE. A VIEW OF THE OTHER THINGS THERE, I HAVE PROVIDED SOME PHOTOS OF THE NEIGHBOR PARCEL SO YOU CAN HEAR FROM THEM FIRSTHAND, ABOUT THE ABILITY TO LOOK INTO THEIR YARDS, YOU WILL SEE THE HOUSES TO THE REAR AND SOME OF THE PHOTOS OF THOSE HOUSES, YOU WILL SEE HOW TALL THEY ARE AND HOW BIG THEY ARE, THAT APPEAR BEFORE THEIR HOME. I HAVE PROVIDED YOU SOME INSIGHT TO SEE HOW THOSE TREES ARE THERE ALONG WITH THE EASEMENT THAT IS THERE THAT WE SHARE, AND YOU WILL SEE, AND YOU WILL HEAR FROM THEM, TOO, AS WELL, ABOUT BEING ABLE TO LOOK INTO THEIR HOME. I DON'T SEE HOW THAT IS FEASIBLY POSSIBLE, BUT WE ARE DOING OUR BEST EFFORT TO ENSURE THAT THIS IS BETTER. WE HAVE THE CONDITIONAL USE OF THE DAY CARE, WE DO A DAY CARE, THERE. THAT IS TRAFFIC. THOSE ARE CARS IMPACTING THE AREA. ANOTHER HAS BEEN CONCERNS AND THOUGHTS CAME FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION, THE NEIGHBORS WILL ASK, WHY CAN'T WE HAVE THE DRIVE IN -- I HAVE A LETTER STATING FROM F D.O.T. THEY DO NOT WANT US TO HAVE THE DRIVEWAY OFF OF 17TH. EVEN THOUGH THERE IS A CUT, THEY WANT US TO CLOSE THAT CUT, THEY WILL ONLY ALLOW US TO HAVE THE DRIVEWAY OFF OF FRAZIER ROAD AND WE DON'T WANT THIS TO BE BLAMING BOULEVARD, EITHER. SO, AGAIN, THIS IS NOT OUR DECISION, F D.O.T. IS MAKING A HABIT OFF OF FRAZIER ROAD. SO, JUST WANTED TO AGAIN HIGHLIGHT SOME OF THESE ISSUES HERE THAT YOU WILL HEAR FROM TODAY BEFORE FROM, WE HAVE WORKED CONSTANTLY WITH THE NEIGHBORS AND ONE OF HE CONDITIONS I WOULD L [03:00:01] PROPOSE IN HEARING FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, THE NEIGHBORS HAVE ASKED AND MADE A POINT OF STATING THAT IT IS DANGEROUS FOR THEM TO GO DOWN TO FRAZIER ROAD TO HOLD THEIR MAILBOXES, THEY HAVE THEIR MAILBOX AT THE END OF FRAZIER ROAD ON 17. MY CLIENT ACTUALLY WALKED UP TO THE COUNCIL AT THE TIME AND THE NEIGHBOR NEXT DOOR, I WALKED UP AND SAID, LOOK, WE TALKED ABOUT IT REALLY QUICK, WE WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE YOU GUYS -- AND WE PUT THIS IN AS A CONDITION WE WOULD LIKE TO ADD -- TO PUT IN A COMMUNITY MAILBOX ON OUR PROPERTY, AT THE EDGE OF OUR PROPERTY, SO THE COMMUNITY DOESN'T HAVE TO WALK ALL THE WAY TO FRAZIER ROAD, LET IT BE ONE COMMUNITY MAILBOX TO MAKE IT SAFER FOR THEM AND THEIR FAMILIES, WE ARE WILLING TO DO THAT, AS WELL. SO, WE ARE DOING EVERYTHING WE CAN TO EMBRACE THE COMMUNITY. I UNDERSTAND AND NO CHANGES MORE DIFFICULT FIRSTHAND, WE WANT TO BE PART OF THIS COMMUNITY AND WE REALLY ARE TRYING TO MAKE THIS A BETTER DEVELOPMENT THAN WHAT IT IS AND WHAT IT CAN BE TODAY, BY GOING THE ROUTE O THE PCD, WHICH IS THE REASON WHY WE HAVE THE PCD IN THE FIRST PLACE AND THAT IS TO MAKE IT BETTER THAN THE EXISTING. SO, I THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME AND I THANK YOU FOR ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. >> THANK YOU, ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. COCKRELL? ALL RIGHT, I WILL NOW OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. I DO HAVE ONE CARD WAVING, SPEAKING AGAINST THE CHANGE FROM JESSE RYAN. I WILL NOW BEGIN THE SPEAKING CARDS. ANOTHER WHAT? WAVING YOUR -- OKAY. OKAY. I WILL GET THAT FOR YOU, IF YOU JUST WANT TO GIVE IT TO JENNY. I HAVE A WHOLE STACK, SO YOU HAVE A LOT OF TIME. OKAY. I'M GOING TO CALL YOU UP, SO BE READY TO COME UP, I WILL TELL YOU WHO IS THE NEXT ONE ON DECK. PLEASE LIMIT YOUR COMMENTS TO SEVEN MINUTES AND PLEASE DO NOT GO OVER, BECAUSE AGAIN, I HAVE -- WE ARE GOING TO BE HERE FOR A COUPLE HOURS. SO, ITEM -- AND THAT IS MATTHEW HANNA, HE IS WAITING, SPEAKING IN SUPPORT OF THIS CHANGE. KRISTI? OKAY. CODY THORNE. AFTER CODY THORNE IS JEFFREY RIEDY. OKAY. >> GOOD EVENING. I HAVE LIVED IN CLAY COUNTY FOR 30 PLUS YEARS, BUSINESS OWNER FOR OVER 20, I HAVE WORKED WITH STAN FOR OVER 15 YEARS, NOW. I HAVE BEEN ABLE TO LOOK AT BOTH CONCEPTS OF THE DRAWINGS AND I AM IN SUPPORT OF GETTING THE CHANGE DONE TO GO WITH THE TWO STORY OFFICE VERSUS THE ONE-STORY REPRESENTED FOR EVERYTHING I AGREED ON IT. LESS TRAFFIC FLOW, BETTER UTILIZATION OF THE PROPERTY, AND WITH HIM BEING A BUSINESS OWNER FOR 15 YEARS NOW, HE IS WELL ESTABLISHED TO MAINTAIN THE BUILDING AND NOT HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE BUSINESS FAILING, OR NOT BEING CORRECTLY UTILIZED. SO, THAT IS KIND OF THE SUPPORT I HAVE WITH THAT, JUST KIND OF KEEP IT BRIEF AND SHORT. >> THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU, MR. THORNE. JEFFREY RIEDY. AFTER HIM IS JANICE GRAVES. SORRY IF I DIDN'T PRONOUNCE THAT PROPERLY. >> GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS JEFF RIEDY, THREE 8342 POWERLINE ROAD, MIDDLEBURG. I ALSO OWN A BUSINESS HERE IN GREEN COVE, 3265 HIGHWAY 17. AS THE OWNER OF PALM MARINE, LOCATED ON HIGHWAY 17, AND AS A RESIDENT OF CLAY COUNTY, I HAVE SEEN PICTURES OF THE TWO BUILDINGS, I HAVE SEEN RENDITIONS OF THE ONE-STORY, ALSO. I WANT TO SUPPORT THE TWO STORY, ALSO. I THINK ENTERING GREEK COVE, COMING OVER FROM BLACK CREEK, I THINK WE SEE THE TWO STORY HOUSES, I THINK IT WOULD FIT IN VERY WELL WITH IT, MUCH BETTER THAN THE EYESORE THAT WAS BUILT NEXT TO MY BUSINESS. THE 2 1/2, THREE-STORY STORAGE BUILDING. I THINK THE TWO BUILDING DESIGN WILL NOT LOOK GOOD. I THINK ENTERING GREEN COVE, I THINK WE WANT AESTHETICS. ALSO, AS A BUSINESS OWNER IN GREEN COVE, I AM CONCERNED ABOUT MY PROPERTY VALUE AND MY BUSINESS VALUE. I THINK THAT TWO STORY LOOK WOULD ADD MORE CLASS TO THE COMMERCIAL SIDE OF THE SPRINGS. I HAVE BEEN A CUSTOMER OF STAN'S RIVER CPA FOR OVER 14 YEARS. I HAVE PROBABLY BEEN THERE LESS THAN FIVE TIMES IN THE 14 YEARS I HAVE BEEN A CUSTOMER. EVERYTHING IS EMAIL, EVERYTHING IS PHONE [03:05:02] CALL. SO, AS FAR AS TRAFFIC, THERE IS NOT GOING TO BE TRAFFIC. WHEN I DO PULL IN AT STAN'S TO PICK UP HIS BOAT OR WHATEVER I DO, THE ONLY CARS THERE ARE EMPLOYEE CARS. AS A CLAY COUNTY RESIDENT, AGAIN, I REALLY AM APPRECIATIVE THAT THE MEDICAL AND DENTAL SIDE WAS TAKEN OUT OF IT, DUE TO THE TRAFFIC ON HIGHWAY 17. I OWN A MARINE REPAIR FACILITY, WE USED THE MARINA AT NIGHT A LOT AND CROSSING THERE IS A NIGHTMARE, WHEN YOU HAVE A BOAT. THAT IS WHERE WE TEST OUR BOATS. SO, THE LESS TRAFFIC IN THAT AREA, THE BETTER. AND WE HAVE ALREADY ADDED ENOUGH RESIDENCES TO ADD TO IT, YOU KNOW, THE 10,000 HOMES WE ARE BUILDING ALL OVER THE PLACE. AS A CLAY COUNTY RESIDENT AND BUSINESS OWNER, I ASK THAT THE COMMISSION APPROVED THIS. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, SIR. >> YEAH. >> DENNIS GRAVES, THEN AFTER HIM -- IS IT GREAVES? OKAY. AFTER HIM IS STAN HUNT. >> GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS DENNIS GREAVES, I AM A CLAY COUNTY RESIDENT AND BUSINESS OWNER. I HAVE WORKED AT CPA FOR ABOUT A YEAR. I HAVE BEEN AN ARCHITECTURAL DESIGNER FOR 15 YEARS WITH THE LAST SIX IN CLAY COUNTY. I FREQUENTLY WORK ON PROJECTS WHERE NEW BUSINESSES TRANSITION INTO RESIDENTIAL AREAS. I HAVE REVIEWED THE TWO BUILDING PLAN, WHICH INCLUDES ONE TRIANGULAR BUILDING AND ONE LONG RECTANGULAR BUILDING. IT IS MY OPINION THAT THE BUILDING WILL LOOK TERRIBLE ANYWHERE, MUCH LESS WHERE IT IS NOT GOING TO GO. AND THE VIEW FROM HIGHWAY 17. I HAVE ALSO REVIEWED THE PROPOSED TWO STORY BUILDING. IN MY OPINION, IT WOULD BE A GREAT ADDITION TO THE AREA AND A GREAT ADDITION TO CLAY COUNTY. I THINK IT IS A TASTEFUL AND PROFESSIONAL BUILDING THAT NICELY ADDS LIGHT COMMERCIAL USE TO A RESIDENTIAL AREA. ADDITIONALLY, AS A CLAY COUNTY RESIDENT, I VERY MUCH APPRECIATE THATTHIS PROJECT INCLUDES REMOVING MEDICAL AND DENTAL FROM THE LIST OF ELIGIBLE BUSINESSES THAT CAN BE HERE. I FREQUENTLY MUST COMMUTE NORTH ON HIGHWAY 17 DURING RUSH HOUR, AND THE NEW ZONING ILLUMINATES THE POSSIBILITY OF HIGH-TRAFFIC AND MEDICAL OFFICES. AS A CLAY COUNTY RESIDENT AND BUSINESS OWNER, I RESPECTFULLY ASK THE COMMISSIONERS TO APPROVE THE PUD, SO WE HAVE AN ATTRACTIVE AND PROFESSIONAL LOOKING BUILDING IN OUR COUNTY INSTEAD OF TWO BUILDINGS THAT WILL NOT BE SUITABLE FOR THIS AREA. >> THANK YOU, SIR. STAN HUNT, AND AFTER THEN, RYAN WORTHINGTON. >> STAN HUNT, GREEN COVE SPRINGS. I OWN THE PROPERTY. THANKS FOR HEARING ME TONIGHT. I WOULD LIKE TO QUICKLY ADDRESS THE SUBLETTING ISSUE THAT WAS BROUGHT UP. WITH THE 4000 SQUARE FEET, AND A LOT OF THAT WILL INSTANTLY BE USED UP BY THE KITCHEN, STORAGE, I.T., CONFERENCE ROOM, AND RECEPTION. AND REALLY, MY MAIN PURPOSEFOR THIS PUD IS TO MAKE SURE I HAVE NICE OFFICES AND CONDITIONS FOR MY STAFF TO WORK IN. WE ACTUALLY LOST OUR FIRST COUNTY ASSOCIATE ABOUT TWO MONTHS AGO. BEEN WITH US FOR A HALF YEARS. ONE OF THE REASONS, SHE SAID, AT THIS POINT IN MY CAREER, I WOULD REALLY LIKE A NICE OFFICE. SO, THIS BUILDING WILL BE USED -- YOU HAVE MY WORD THAT THIS BUILDING WILL BE USED FOR CPA STAFF, ONLY. THERE WILL BE NO SUBLETTING. >> OKAY. DURING OUR LAST MEETING IN NOVEMBER, WHEN I PROPOSED THE REZONING, THE MAIN CONCERN WAS, WHAT IF I BUY THE PROPERTY TO A NEW DEVELOPMENT AND SOMEBODY COMES IN AND DEVELOPS SOMETHING UNDESIRABLE? I TOOK THIS CONCERN VERY SERIOUSLY, AND WITH JOSH, YOU KNOW, THOUGHT ABOUT THOSE CONCERNS, AND I THINK WHAT WE HAVE DONE IS ADDRESSED THOSE CONCERNS AND ALSO ADDITIONAL ITEMS. THIS PIECE DOES NOT EXPAND ZONING LIKE THE OTHER ONE DID, BUT RATHER, IT REDUCES THE LOUD USES LIKE YOU HEARD AND OTHER STUFF. AS A CLAY COUNTY RESIDENT THAT DEALS WITH HIGHWAY 17 FREQUENTLY, NOT AS A BUSINESS OWNER, JUST AS A CLAY COUNTY RESIDENT, I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT THE HIGH-TRAFFIC BUSINESS CANNOT GO IN THERE. THAT TRAFFIC IS TERRIBLE AND I THINK OF SOMETHING HAS TO GO IN THERE, LET'S DO SOMETHING THAT HAS NO TRAFFIC. THIS WHOLE THING IS OBVIOUSLY VERY PERSONAL TO A LOT OF PEOPLE, YOU HAVE HEARD FROM A LOT OF PEOPLE, AND JOSH HAS DONE A GOOD JOB OF TELLING YOU SPECIFIC SPECIFICATIONS. I DO WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT THIS IS VERY PERSONAL TO ME, AND OUR EMPLOYEES, AND OUR CLIENTS. AT THE END OF THIS NEW HEADQUARTERS [03:10:01] WHERE IT IS COMFORTABLE, NICE OFFICES, THIS HAS LITERALLY BEEN A DREAM OF MINE FOR FIVE YEARS, SO I WANT TO BUILD SOMETHING I AM PROUD OF, AS A CLAY COUNTY RESIDENT, AS A BUSINESS OWNER, WHEN THE EMPLOYEES SHOW UP, WHEN CLIENTS SHOW UP, I WANT THIS TO BE A REALLY NICE THING AND I WOULD NOT ASK FOR THIS IF I DID NOT THINK THIS WAS THE BEST OPTION IN THE IMMEDIATE AREA AND ALL OF CLAY COUNTY. SO, I WANT TO BUILD SOMETHING I AM PROUD OF, BUILT SOMETHING THAT IS GOOD FOR OUR EMPLOYEES, SOMETHING OUR CLIENTS ARE PROUD TO BE ASSOCIATED WITH, AND I REALLY WANT TO BUILD SOMETHING THAT IS A GREAT ADDITION TO CLAY COUNTY THE LAST THING I WANT TO DO IS BUILD RIGHT ON MY NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY, THE BUILDING IS RIGHT NEXT TO THEM AND THERE IS ANOTHER ARE BUILDING OVER HERE WHERE PEOPLE DRIVE AROUND AND EVERY CPA, THEY REALLY MADE A MESS UP THERE. THAT IS THE LAST THING I WANTED TO DO AS A CLAY COUNTY RESIDENT. I HAVE LIVED HERE FOR 22 YEARS, I AM PROUD TO HAVE OPERATED A BUSINESS FOR 22 YEARS. I WANT TO DO THE RIGHT THING. >> THANK YOU, MR. HOOD. >> BRIAN WORTHINGTON, AND AFTER MR. WORTHINGTON IS CAROLINE GIMBEL. >> WE ARE LOOKING AT COUNTY ROAD 218 PROBABLY BEEN TO HIS OFFICE FOUR TIMES. EVERY TIME I HAVE BEEN THERE, IT HAS BEEN VERY, VERY QUIET, NOT VERY MANY PEOPLE THERE OTHER THAN EMPLOYEES. IT IS CROWDED. LAST TIME I WAS THERE, TWO YEARS AGO. LIKE THEY SAID, THE TWO BUILDING PLAN, TO ME, IT LOOKS TRASHY. I MEAN, WE WANT TO MAKE CLAY COUNTY LOOK BETTER, THAT IS A WHOLE LOT BETTER LOOK. LOOKING AT JUST ABOUT EVERYTHING I COULD GO OVER. SO I WOULD JUST SAY, I AM IN FAVOR OF THE PUD. IT LOOKS A WHOLE LOT BETTER. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE CLAY COUNTY GO THAT WAY, TO LOOK A LITTLE BIT MORE PROFESSIONAL, AND NOT PIECED TOGETHER. IT IS NOT GOING TO LOOK LIKE YOU ARE COMING HERE TO START A BUSINESS, IT LOOKS LIKE YOU ARE COMING HERE WITH A HALFWAY DONE BUSINESS. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, SIR. >> CAROLINE GIMBEL AND AFTER HER IS CHAD EASTON. >> HI, MY NAME IS CAROLINE GIMBEL, I OWN A BUSINESS AT 1145 HIGHWAY 17, I HAVE KNOWN STAN FOR ALMOST A DECADE NOW, HE HAS HELPED ME FROM PURCHASING MY BUSINESS -- WHICH IT HAS ACTUALLY BEEN THERE SINCE 1987, I WORKED THERE WHEN I WAS ONLY 16, I USED TO ANSWER THE PHONE LONG BEFORE GPS AND I WOULD SAY "WE ARE THE BRICK BUILDING BETWEEN 220 AND BRICK PARK." SO, I DRIVE DOWN 17 EVERY SINGLE AFTERNOON, I AM DRIVING MY GIRLS HOME FROM WORK AND I SIT IN THAT DEAD TRAFFIC BETWEEN PUBLIX ALL THE WAY THROUGH TEGAN COVE. LAST THING I WOULD EVER WANT TO DO IS TO RECOMMEND AND HE KIND OF BUSINESSES, TO BRING MORE TRAFFIC THERE. AND I CAN TELL YOU, THE NUMBER OF TIMES I CAN BEEN TO STAN'S OFFICE, I CAN COUNT ON ONE HAND. BUT, HE DOES PHENOMENAL WORK, HE AND HIS TEAM ARE ABSOLUTELY FABULOUS PEOPLE, I COULD NOT RECOMMEND A BETTER SET OF PEOPLE THAT WOULD PROVIDE A GREAT BUSINESS RIGHT THERE ON 17 AND I THINK YOU WOULD ABSOLUTELY HOLD HIS WORD WHEN HE SAID HE WOULD TAKE CARE OF HIS NEIGHBORS. HE WOULD DO IT JUST LIKE HE TAKES CARE OF HIS STAFF AND I AM SURE ALL OF HIS OTHER CLIENTS. I HAVE RECOMMENDED MY BROTHER, AND MY FRIENDS, AND EVERY OTHER PERSON I KNOW THAT OWNS A BUSINESS AND I THINK WE, AS A COUNTY, OH IT'S A OTHER SMALL BUSINESSES, LIKE HIS, TO TREAT HIM WELL, BECAUSE THIS IS A COUNTY THAT WAS BUILT ON SMALL BUSINESSES THAT IS SLOWLY TURNING INTO A BIG CITY, AND WE ARE LOSING THE GOOD SUPPORT FOR SMALL BUSINESSES LIKE HIS, AND IF SOMETHING IS SIMPLE IS JUST REZONING A SPACE FOR HIM TO PROVIDE WHAT HE NEEDS TO PROVIDE FOR HIS TEAM TO DO WHAT THEY NEED TO DO, THEN WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO THAT FOR HIM. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. CHAD EASTON, AND AFTER HIM, CHELSEA BAKER SHAW. >> GOOD EVENING. CHAD EASTON, 1294 ST. JOHN'S AVENUE RIGHT HERE IN GREEN COVE. I ALSO OWN AND OPERATE MY BUSINESS IN GREEN COVE ONE MILE FROM STAN'S PROPERTY. I HAVE BEEN A CLIENT OF CPA FOR SEVEN YEARS. I CAN ECHO ALL OF THE OTHER COMMENTS, TOP-NOTCH FOLKS. STAN OPERATES HIS BUSINESS WELL, AND I AM VERY MUCH IN SUPPORT OF THE LOOK OF THE BUILDING, THE TWO STORY BUILDING. THAT IS SOMETHING THAT I WOULD NOT MIND DRIVING PAST EVERY DAY BECAUSE I WILL DO IT [03:15:03] PROBABLY HALF A DOZEN TIMES EVERY DAY. I LIVE HERE, WORK HERE, AND WE ARE BACK AND FORTH, YOU KNOW, ALL THE TIME. SO, IT IS IMPORTANT TO ME THAT THE THINGS THAT ARE GOING IN, THE CHANGES THAT ARE BEING MADE, THAT THEY ARE ATTRACTIVE, AND THEY ARE GOOD FOR PROPERTY VALUES. LIKE I SAID, MY COMMERCIAL PROPERTY IS ONE MILE FROM STAN, SO THAT LITERALLY WILL AFFECT ME. SO, AGAIN, I CAN ECHO ALL OF THE OTHER POSITIVE COMMENTS, I AM VERY MUCH IN SUPPORT OF THIS PUD AND I HOPE IT GETS PASSED. >> THANK YOU, SIR. CHELSEA BAKER SHAW AND AFTER MS. SHAW, WE HAVE RICK BAKER. >> GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS, MY NAME IS CHELSEA BAKER SHAW, 1529 COUNTY ROAD. MY THREE MEETING MAKE THE FIFTH GENERATION TO LIVE HERE. WE ARE 1 OF 6 FAMILIES WHO CALL THIS PLACE HOME. THE PROPERTY WAS ZONED TO BA-2 WHICH WAS INTENDED FOR A SMALL-SCALE COMMERCIAL USE WHICH ALIGNS WITH THE CHARACTER OF ITS SURROUNDINGS. THE KIND OF BUSINESS INTENDED IS SIMILAR TO A NEARBY BUSINESS ON THE ROAD RIGHT BY HOURS, A SMALL, RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ACCOMMODATING JUST A FEW CARS AT A TIME. WE BELIEVE THAT MAINTAINING THIS ZONING IS IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE SAFETY AND CHARACTER OF A LONG-TERM WELL-BEING. THE PCD REZONING, HOWEVER, WOULD DRASTICALLY CHANGE THE CHARACTER OF OUR ROAD. THE PLAN INCLUDES A 4000 SQUARE FOOT, TWO STORY BUILDING AND 1500 SQUARE PARKING LOT, INCOMPATIBLE WITH THE ROAD. MR. HUNT HAS CONTRADICTED HIMSELF MANY PLANTS IN HIS INTENT FOR HIS FIRM. HE STATED LAST NOVEMBER THERE WOULD ONLY BE 3 TO 4 CARS AT A TIME IN HIS SMALL CPA OFFICE SINCE MOST OF HIS EMPLOYEES WORK REMOTE. HOWEVER, AT THE LAST MEETING, THAT NUMBER HAS MORE THAN DOUBLED TO EIGHT PLUS EMPLOYS AT A TIME PLUS TWO CLIENTS, FURTHER DESTROYING OUR TRUST IN THE CLIENTS' INTENTIONS. HE SAYS HE WAS TO BE THE BEST LOOKING BUILDING THAT PEOPLE SEE WHEN THEY COME INTO TOWN AND THAT HE IS HAVING TO COMPETE WITH JACKSONVILLE CPA FOR HIS GROWING FIRM. THAT IS NOT THE PROPERTY FOR THOSE DREAMS AND ASPIRATIONS. SHOULD MR. HUNT DECIDE TO SELL HIS PROPERTY IN THE FUTURE OR RENT OUT THE SECOND FLOOR, THE PCD ZONING OPENS THE DOOR TO A WIDE ARRAY OF FUTURE USES OF INCREASED TRAFFIC, INCLUDING THE POSSIBILITY OF A MEDICAL MARIJUANA DISPENSARY. WHILE WE UNDERSTAND THAT THE CURRENT USE WOULD GO WITH THE SALE OF THE PROPERTY, YOUR YES VOTE IS A HUGE RISK TO US THAT THE FUTURE OWNER WOULD NOT GO BEFORE YOU ARE REQUESTING A NEW OR DIFFERENT USE JUST AS MR. HUNT IS DOING NOW, AND HOW EASY WOULD IT BE TO APPROVE A FUTURE REQUEST WITH THE BUILDING OF THAT SCALE ALREADY IN PLACE? THE APPLICANT AND HIS REPRESENTATIVE HAVE ALSO STATED THAT THEY WILL BUILD TWO ONE-STORY BUILDINGS TOMORROW. I AM NOT SURE HOW TWO BUILDINGS, A PARKING LOT, RECREATIONAL POND, WILL ALLOW FOR ENOUGH ROOM FOR EMERGENCY VEHICLES AND A FIRE TRUCK TO PULL IN AND TURN AROUND WITHOUT BLOCKING OUR ROAD. MR. HUNT HAS ALSO STATED HE DOES NOT WANT TO BUILD TWO SEPARATE ONE-STORY BUILDINGS BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE A CHEAP MOTEL. INSTEAD, HE IS OPTING FOR THE LARGE, TWO STORY COMMERCIAL STRUCTURE. UNFORTUNATELY, THE BURDEN OF HIS PURCHASING DECISION, CHOOSING A PROPERTY DOES THAT NOT SUIT HIS WANTS IS SITTING ON US, THE RESIDENCE. WE SHOULD NOT BE FORCED TO SUFFER THE CONSEQUENCES OF A DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT IS INCOMPATIBLE WITH THE CURRENT ZONING. WE DO NOT OBJECT TO MR. HUNT OPERATING A CPA OFFICE WITHIN THE ZONING PARAMETERS, HOWEVER WE OPPOSE THE SCALE OF THE DEVELOPING PROPOSED IN THE IMPLICATION IT HOLDS FOR THE FUTURE OF OUR ROAD AND THE RESIDENCE. THIS IS OUR HOME, WHERE OUR CHILDREN RUN, PLAY, AND RIDE THEIR BIKES. IN CONCLUSION, A TWO STORY BUILDING IS NOT WHAT IS BEST FOR THE RESIDENTS OF THIS ROAD. WHAT IS BEST IS FOR YOU TO PLEASE LEAVE THE ZONING IS WHAT IT IS BECAUSE THE APPLICANT CANNOT REALISTICALLY DO WHAT HE WANTS WITHIN THE CURRENT CONFINE OF BA-2 ZONING. WE REQUEST FULLY URGE YOU TO DENY THE ZONING REQUEST AND MAINTAIN THE HISTORY AND SAFETY OF OUR ROAD. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. RICK BAKER AND AFTER MR. BAKER IS TRINA BAKER. >> I HAVE A NOTE FROM ANOTHER RESIDENT ON THE ROAD THAT WAS IN AN AUTOMOBILE WEEKEND ACCIDENT, IF I COULD READ THAT IN THE END. >> IF YOU HAVE TIME. >> OKAY. RICK BAKER, 1530 FRASER ROAD, RESIDENTS OF THE ROAD FOR 38 YEARS. I AM HERE TO OPPOSE THE REZONING FOR THE SIMPLE REASON OF THE NEW BUILDING OF 4000 SQUARE FEET IN THE PARKING AREA OF 10, 12, OR 15 CARS -- RIGHT NOW, THERE IS SIX FAMILIES -- OR, EIGHT FAMILIES THAT LIVE ON THIS ROAD AND 12 CARS COMING OFF OF IT ALREADY TODAY. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU FOLKS HAVE EVER BEEN OUT THERE, OR NOT, BUT [03:20:03] THAT IS A SINGLE LANE ROAD THAT COMES OFF OF 17. THAT SIZE PARKING LOT AND THAT SIZE BUILDING, YOU ARE DOUBLING THE AMOUNT OF CARS THAT IS ALREADY OVER ABOUT A 20 ACRE SPAN BACK THERE ON FRASER ROAD. ON THE LITTLE PIECE OF PROPERTY LESS THAN HALF AN ACRE. WE ARE DOUBLING THE AMOUNT OF CARS, AT A MINIMUM. IF IT IS JUST THE AMOUNT OF EMPLOYEES HE IS TALKING ABOUT, NOW. OKAY? SO, THE TRAFFIC ALONE, GETTING IN AND OFF THE ROAD IS GOING TO MORE THAN DOUBLE, INSTANTLY. THE SECOND ARGUMENT, JUST NORTH OF IT, THE SECOND TWO STORY HOMES -- THAT IS A MATERIAL FOR THIS REGION. THAT IS A RESIDENTIAL AREA THAT HAS TWO LANE ROADS GOING IN AND OUT OF IT, AND MOST OF THE TIME, IT IS SINGLE FAMILIES THAT MIGHT HAVE TWO PEOPLE TO DRIVE, OKAY? AGAIN, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT TRYING TO GET DOUBLED THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE IN AND OUT OF THIS AREA, RIGHT HERE. AGAIN, BETWEEN THE KIDS AND THE GRANDKIDS, THE FOLKS THAT WALK AND RIDE, IT IS A MATTER OF SAFETY AND A MATTER OF THE QUALITY OF LIFE THAT THE CURRENT ZONING THAT IT IS UNDER, IT IS THERE FOR A REASON. WHOEVER PUT THAT IN PLACE, PUT THAT IN PLACE FOR TWO REASONS, TO MY UNDERSTANDING, BECAUSE OF THE LOCATION OF WHERE IT IS AT, AND THE SURROUNDINGS, WHAT IS AROUND IT. THERE IS NO OTHER TWO STORY, BUILDING OTHER THAN THE ONE AT BLACK CREEK, AND GARBER, AGAIN, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT LESS THAN HALF AN ACRE AND I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY -- YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK ANYONE DECEIVED MR. HUNT AND I THINK HE WAS FULLY AWARE OF WHAT HE HAS WHEN HE BOUGHT IT. I JUST DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHY THE RESIDENTS THAT HAVE BEEN THERE HAVE TO PAY THE PRICE ON THE POTENTIAL SAFETY, THE POTENTIAL TRAFFIC THAT THIS CAN BRING. SO, I'M IN OPPOSITION OF IT STRONGLY. >> THANK YOU, MR. BAKER. >> AND I READ THE SECOND ONE? OR, NO? >> NO, SIR. THANK YOU. OKAY. HERE'S THE PROBLEM WITH -- AND I WAS GOING TO GET TO IT, BUT IT IS NOT LISTED ON HERE. HERE'S THE PROBLEM WITH THAT. THAT IS HEARSAY TESTIMONY, MR. SIMMONS IS NOT HERE AND HE WAS NOT SWORN IN, SO WE CANNOT ACCEPT IT AS TO MONEY. >> THE ONLY THING I COULD DO IS HAVE YOU GIVE THAT STATEMENT TO CHRISTIE AND SHE COULD PUT IT IN THE MINUTES, BUT WE CAN'T CONSIDER IT DURING THIS HEARING TONIGHT. THE DECISION THAT THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS HAS TO MAKE TONIGHT IS CONSIDERED QUASIJUDICIAL AND WE CAN ONLY USE TESTIMONY MUCH LIKE A COURTROOM, MUCH LIKE A JUDGE, THEY CAN ONLY USE TESTIMONY THAT IS PRESENTED DURING THAT TIME AND THAT IS WHAT WE HAVE TO DO FOR THIS. AND IF YOU ARE WONDERING WHY OUR RULES HAVE TIGHTENED UP, WE HAVE HAD SOME LEGAL ACTION TAKEN AGAINST US, SO WE HAVE TO ABIDE BY THE LAW. MS. BAKER, AFTER MS. BAKER, IS ALAN GREER. >> OKAY, HELLO AGAIN, MY NAME IS TRINA BAKER AND I LIVE AT 1530 BAKER ROAD, I AM HERE TONIGHT BECAUSE I STRONGLY OPPOSE THE REZONING OF THE ROAD. THE PROPOSED REZONING IF CONFIRMED COULD ALLOW FOR THE POSSIBLE FUTURE USE OF MANY THINGS THAT ARE NOT COMPATIBLE WITH THE CURRENT, GOOD QUALITY OF LIFE THAT WE ALL ENJOY LIVING ON FRASER ROAD. I WANT TO ASK EACH OF YOU TO PLEASE TAKE A MOMENT TO PLACE YOURSELF AS A RESIDENT OF FRASER ROAD, LOOK AT WHAT THIS REZONING MIGHT MEAN FOR YOU, CONSIDER THE FACT THAT IT MAY BRING STABILITY TO ALL OF US AND VOTE ACCORDINGLY. MR. HUNT PURCHASED THIS PARCEL IN ITS CURRENT ZONING. WHILE I DON'T PERSONALLY LIKE THE IDEA OF A BUSINESS ENTRANCE OFF OF OUR ROAD, I HAVE NO ISSUE WITH MR. HUNT PUTTING HIS RESIDENTIAL STYLE OFFICE BUILDING THERE. I DO, HOWEVER, TAKE ISSUE OF HIM REZONING HIS PARCEL TO PCD WHICH WOULD ALLOW FOR A TWO STORY BUILDING AND THE POSSIBILITY OF ROBUST, UNWANTED BUSINESSES AT THE END OF OUR ROAD AND I UNDERSTAND WHAT EVERYBODY HAS ALREADY DISCUSSED. AS WE ALL KNOW, TRAFFIC ON HIGHWAY 17 IS TERRIBLE. THIS REZONING WILL ALLOW FOR MUCH HEAVIER TRAFFIC ONTO OUR ALREADY BURDENED SINGLE LANE ROAD. WHEN WALKING, THE TRAFFIC THAT A PCD ZONING MAY BRING ALLOWS FOR OUR GREATER CHANCE OF ONE OF US BEING HIT AND INJURED BY A CAR OR WORSE. [03:25:02] THERE IS A "CAUTION: CHILDREN" SIGN AT THE EDGE OF OUR ROAD FOR A REASON. AS WE HAVE DISCUSSED WITH PCE ZONING, MR. HUNT WOULD HAVE THE RIGHT TO RENT OUT OFFICES, OR EVEN AN ENTIRE FLOOR. EVEN WITH THE SAME USE, IN THAT CASE, WHERE WITH THE OVERFLOW OF TRAFFIC GO? AND THERE WILL ALWAYS BE OVERFLOW TRAFFIC. WE HAVE ALL BEEN TO BUSINESSES WITH NOT ENOUGH PARKING, WHAT DO WE DO? WE PARK WHERE WE CAN. IN THIS CASE, THE OVERFLOW WOULD BE ON OUR SINGLE LANE ROAD. THE FACT THAT WITH THE PCD, HE HAS THE ABILITY TO RENT OUT OFFICES IS REASON ENOUGH FOR YOU TO VOTE NO BECAUSE OF WHAT IT WOULD DO TO OUR ROAD. WHILE WE UNDERSTAND THAT MR. HUNT IS ASKING FOR A SPECIFIC USE, THE MAIN REASON WE NEED YOU TO VOTE KNOW IS THAT THERE IS ZERO GUARANTEE THAT THE CURRENT USE WILL REMAIN THAT WAY. REGARDLESS OF WHAT HE SAYS, SHOULD MR. HUNT DECIDE TO SELL IN THE FUTURE, IT IS NOT OUT OF THE REALM OF POSSIBILITY THAT THE NEW OWNER WOULD COME BEFORE YOU AGAIN, ASKING FOR A DIFFERENT USE, LIKE FOR INSTANCE, A MEDICAL MARIJUANA DISPENSARY, WHICH IS ALREADY A CONDITIONAL PCD USE. AGAIN, THERE IS ZERO GUARANTEE FOR US, THAT WE WOULD GET THREE NEW VOTES FROM THE NEXT COMMISSION, WHICH MAY NOT BE YOU. I DON'T HAVE TO TELL YOU THAT THIS TYPE OF BUSINESS WOULD BRING INSTABILITY TO US AND RUIN OUR QUALITY OF LIFE. THE PROBLEM WITH THE CLAY COUNTY STAFF REPORT AND ITS RECOMMENDATION FOR THIS ZONING IS THAT NOBODY FROM THE SPRINGS CITIZEN ADVISORY COMMITTEE LIVES ON FRASER ROAD. FOR THAT MATTER, NEITHER DOES MR. HUNT. WHILE EVERYTHING AROUND US MAY BE CHANGING AND ON PAPER, OUR ROAD MAY FALL INTO THE PLANNING DISTRICT, WE ARE NOT, AND WILL NEVER BE, A PART OF THE SPRINGS DISTRICT. MR. HUNT'S LAST ATTEMPT AT REZONING HIS PROPERTY FAILED. AS YOU ALL KNOW, HE HASN'T HIRED JOSH COCKRELL OF THE STELLAR GROUP. I HAVE SAID IT BEFORE AND I WILL SAY IT AGAIN, MR. COCKRELL STATES ON HIS WEBSITE UNDER LAND-USE AND LOBBYING, AND I QUOTE, "HELPING LAND-USE AND PROJECTS CUT THROUGH THE RED TAPE AND CUT THROUGH ROADBLOCKS." WE ARE NOT RED TAPE OR ROADBLOCKS. I AM KINDLY ASKING YOU ONCE AGAIN TO PROTECT US TO KEEP OUR QUALITY OF LIFE THE WAY IT IS AND GIVE A NO VOTE FOR THIS REZONING. >> THANK YOU, MS. BAKER. ALAN GREER, AND AFTER MR. GREER, IS MS. JANICE CLAXTON. AND -- GO AHEAD, YES. >> HI, MY NAME IS ALAN GREER, I LIVE IN PETERS CREEK ROAD AND OWN A BUSINESS ON PETERS CREEK ROAD. I HAVE THE EUNUCH PERSPECTIVE THAT MR. HUNT'S CURRENT BUSINESS IN ORDER TO ACCESS IT, YOU ACTUALLY HAVE TO DRIVE OVER MY PROPERTY BECAUSE OF EASEMENTS. I AM VERY SENSITIVE TO THE FLOW OF TRAFFIC BECAUSE OF THAT. AS WE LIVE ON THIS ROAD -- AND I WORK 1000 FEET FROM MY HOUSE, I DRIVE A GOLF CART TO WORK -- THAT CHANGES YOUR BEHAVIOR. AND AS A RESULT, I DRIVE BACK AND FORTH TO WORK PROBABLY FIVE, SIX, SEVEN TIMES A DAY. MR. HUNT JUST DID MY TAXES, BOTH PERSONAL AND BUSINESS. DURING THE SIX WEEKS OF THAT PROCESS, I PROBABLY DROVE BY THE DRIVEWAY 354 TIMES. THE ENTRANCE TO HIS DRIVEWAY IS EIGHT FEET FROM MY GOLF CART PATH AND I WENT DOWN HIS DRIVEWAY EXACTLY 0 TIMES. I NEVER HAD TO GO TO HIS BUSINESS IN ORDER TO DO MY TAXES. AND THAT IS EIGHT FEET OUT OF MY WAY. I AM CERTAINLY NOT GOING TO GO AND DRIVE TO 17, WHEN I AM NOT USING THE DRIVEWAY THAT IS EIGHT FEET OUT OF MY WAY. ALSO, BEING THAT WE LIVE ON THE ROAD, MY SON RIDES HIS BIKE TO COME SEE ME AT WORK EVERY DAY. WE HAVE ZERO PROBLEMS WITH TRAFFIC, FROM MR. HUNT OR HIS STAFF. AND FRANKLY, HE HAS BEEN A FANTASTIC NEIGHBOR. SO, I WOULD ASK YOU TO CONSIDER SUPPORTING THIS. I THINK THAT, ONE, HE WILL PROVIDE GREAT VALUE FOR OUR COMMUNITY BUT HE ALSO HAS A PATTERN, A LONG-TERM PATTERN OF BEING A GREAT NEIGHBOR AND HIS BUSINESS HAS HAD NO IMPACT ON OUR QUALITY OF LIFE EVEN THOUGH I HAVE SUCH CLOSE PROXIMITY THAT HIS DRIVEWAY IS ACTUALLY ON MY PROPERTY. AND IT HAS HAD ZERO IMPACT ON MY LIFE. I WOULD ASK YOU TO CONSIDER THAT AS YOU ARE THINKING ABOUT THIS. THE PERSON WHO IS MOST IMPACTED TODAY IS ME, AND IT HAS NO IMPACT ON MY LIFE. I WOULD ASK YOU TO TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION AS YOU VOTE. I WOULD ASK THAT YOU SUPPORT RIVER CPAS EFFORTS TO BUILD THIS BUILDING. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, MR. GREER. JANICE CLAXTON? AND AFTER HER, IS SUZANNE RYAN. >> I AND JANICE CLAXTON. >> IF YOU COULD MOVE THAT DOWN A LITTLE BIT? >> I LIVE ON FRASER ROAD AND I HAVE ASKED MY NEIGHBOR, TRINA, IF YOU WOULD READ MY STATEMENT, BECAUSE I JUST DON'T WANT TO. >> CAN I ALLOW THAT, SINCE THEY >> OKAY, IT'S NOT LONGER JANICE CLAXTON, SHE LIVES AT 1503 FRASER ROAD. THIS IS HER STATEMENT. WE ARE GREATLY CONCERNED ABOUT YET ANOTHER ATTEMPT TO REZONE THE PROPERTY AT 14920 ROAD. CHANGES IN THE ROAD DEPICTED IN THE VISUAL RENDERING REPRESENT A CHANGE THAT IS OUT OF CHARACTER FOR WHAT THIS NEIGHBORHOOD IS AND [03:30:12] HAS BEEN SINCE ITS CONCEPTION. THE CURRENT OWNER, MR. HUNT, BOUGHT THIS PROPERTY FOR HIS ACCOUNTING OFFICE KNOWING WHAT THE ZONING WAS. THE EXISTING ZONING WORKS JUST FINE FOR HIS ACCOUNTING OFFICE. IN THE MEETING LAST YEAR, MR. HUNT GOT UP AND SAID THAT HARDLY ANY CLIENTS ACTUALLY COME AND GO SO I ASK YOU, WHY IS A 4000 SQUARE FOOT, TWO STORY BUILDING NOW NEEDED? DOES HE HAVE SOMETHING ELSE IN MIND? AGAIN, REZONING THIS PROPERTY TO PCD WHICH WOULD ALLOW HIS TWO STORY BUILDING, WHICH WOULD CHANGE THE CHARACTER OF OUR ROAD ESPECIALLY AT THE ENTRANCE TO WHERE DEAN AND I LIVE. THE VISUAL RENDERING DEPICTS A SIDEWALK AT THE FRONT OF OUR PROPERTY WHICH MEANS THAT THE TREES AND THE RIGHT-OF-WAY ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF FRASER ROAD LEADING UP TO OUR DRIVEWAY WOULD HAVE TO COME DOWN. THE PROPOSED SIDEWALK WOULD ACTUALLY BE A LONG OUR PROPERTY LINE, ACCORDING TO THE RENDERING AND STOP AT OUR DRIVEWAY. THE PROPOSED CROSSWALK IS RIGHT DOWN FROM OUR DRIVEWAY, THIS IS NOT NECESSARY AND IT IS NOT COMPATIBLE WITH THE WAY THIS ROAD AND NEIGHBORHOOD WAS INTENDED TO BE. THE REZONING TO PCD IS ALSO TROUBLESOME TO US BECAUSE IT WOULD POTENTIALLY ALLOW FOR A VARIETY OF OTHER ESTABLISHMENTS THAT WOULD POTENTIALLY BE BUSIER AND BRING MORE ESTABLISHMENTS TO OUR ROAD, SOME WOULD BE UNDESIRABLE BUSINESSES, AS LISTED IN THE CONDITIONAL USE. THAT BRINGS US TO HOW PCD REZONING COULD IMPACT OUR SAFETY, OUR QUALITY OF LIFE AND OUR ALREADY DREADFUL AND FRIGHTFUL TRAFFIC SITUATION. ENTERING AND EXITING THE SINGLE LANE ROAD FROM 17 IS DOWNRIGHT HAZARDOUS. WE HAVE BEEN TOLD THAT THE RESTRICTIONS WOULD BE PUT IN PLACE SO THAT ONLY CERTAIN TYPES OF BUSINESSES WOULD BE ALLOWED, BUT THAT IS WHY WE ARE HERE, ISN'T IT? MR. HUNT WANTS TO CHANGE THE EXISTING RULES. IF AND WHEN MR. HUNT DECIDES TO SELL, WE CAN'T BE SURE OF WHAT SOMEONE ELSE TRIES IN THE FUTURE AND WE ARE CERTAINLY NOT GUARANTEED OF WHAT THIS VOTE WOULD BE. I HOPE YOU HEAR ME WHEN I SAY THAT WE DO NOT WANT THE ZONING TO CHANGE TO PCD WHICH WOULD BRING A TWO STORY BUILDING ACROSS FROM OUR HOME. PLEASE KEEP IT THE WAY IT IS NOW, A SMALL, QUIET, PRIVATE, RURAL ROAD. I ASK YOU FOR A NO VOTE ON THIS REZONING TO PCD. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, AND THANK YOU, MS. CLAXTON. SUZANNE RYAN, AND AFTER HER, IS FULL? FOR IT. >> HI, I AM SUZANNE RYAN. MY HUSBAND AND I WORK IN THIS HOUSE, AND THIS IS SMACK ON THE PROPERTY LINE, OUR HOME IS ABOUT 60 FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE. AND WHILE WE DO RESPECT THAT THE HOUSES TO THE SIDE OF US ON THE NORTH ARE GIANT, TWO STORY HOUSES, THEY SEE ME IN MY OFFICE, EVERY DAY WHILE I WORKED, BECAUSE THEY ARE HUGE, AND I DO NOT WANT TO HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT MY BEDROOM WINDOW IN THE FRONT, OR MY FAMILY ROOM WINDOW, AND FEEL LIKE I AM IN LOCKDOWN 24/7 BECAUSE I HAVE THE HOUSES TO THE NORTH, AND I WILL HAVE HIS BUILDING IN THE FRONT OF OUR HOME. IT IS GOING TO BE FACING OUR HOME. IT IS NOT A BEAUTIFUL BUILDING THAT IS GOING TO FACE THE CITIZENS ACROSS 17, IT IS LOOKING AT MY HOUSE, IT IS LOOKING AT US, ON OUR PROPERTY. EVERYTHING THAT WE DO, WE ARE SEEING IT. WE HAVE THREE SMALL GRANDCHILDREN. WE UTILIZE EVERY BIT OF OUR PROPERTY. IT IS FRONT, IT IS SIDE, WE ARE LOOKED AT FROM THIS FRONT. YOU KNOW, EVERY TIME THEY COME IN HERE AND THEY TALK ABOUT EVERYTHING, THE STORIES CHANGE. YOU KNOW, THE PRESENTATION CHANGES, AND IT HAS JUST BEEN VERY, VERY MISREPRESENTED. WE ARE, YES, COMMERCIAL TO COMMERCIAL, BECAUSE THE COUNTY DECIDED IN THE '80S THAT THEY WERE GOING TO CHANGE ZONING 100 FEET IN. THAT HOUSE HAS BEEN THERE FOR 70 YEARS, IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN A RESIDENTIAL HOME, AND EVERY TIME THEY ARE HERE, SOMETHING IS TAKEN OFF THE LIST THEY WERE GOING TO DO. THEY WERE GOING TO PROMISE THIS, THEY WERE GOING TO PROMISE THAT, "I'M GOING TO BE A GREAT NEIGHBOR," AND IT CHANGES EVERY SINGLE TIME. AT THE LAST MEETING WE WERE JUST AT, IT WAS, "WE ARE GOING TO PUT UP BEAUTIFUL TREES AND WE ARE GOING TO PUT UP A FENCE." NOBODY DISCUSSED ANY OF THAT TODAY. THEY WILL HAVE NICE, PRETTY TREES. THE FENCE HAS DISAPPEARED AGAIN. THE ZONING -- I WANT IT TO REMAIN THE SAME. WE WANT IT TO HAVE ITS BUILDING, WE WANT HIM TO HAVE HIS BUSINESS, BUT I WANT HIM TO DO IT AS IT IS ZONED. IT IS ZONED AS A ONE STORY. I WILL NOT HAVE ANOTHER BUILDING LOOMING OVER ME, OR MY FAMILY, LOOKING AT US, COMING AND GOING. WE WOULD REALLY, REALLY APPRECIATE IF YOU WOULD JUST THINK ABOUT OUR QUALITY OF LIFE, THINK ABOUT OUR DAY TODAY, LIVING THERE. I WORK FROM HOME. WE UTILIZE THE OUTSIDE ALL THE TIME, AND WE JUST WANT TO HAVE OUR OWN PEACE OF MIND. WE WANT TO HAVE QUALITY OF LIFE. WE WANT TO COME HOME AND BE IN A PEACEFUL SETTING WHERE WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT CONSTANT PEOPLE COMING AND GOING, LOOKING OUT OF THE WINDOWS, SEEING WHAT WE ARE DOING, SEEING IN OUR HOUSE, AND THEY CAN ATTEST AND SAY ALL THAT WE WANT, THEY DON'T LIVE IN THAT HOUSE AND [03:35:07] THEY DON'T SEE IT EVERY SINGLE DAY, LIKE I DO. MY SPARE BEDROOM WINDOW IS SHUT, 24/7. MY OFFICE WINDOW IS SHUT ALL THE TIME AND IT IS WORSE IN THE WINTER BECAUSE THE LEAVES FALL DOWN FROM THOSE PRETTY TREES, EVERYONE CAN SEE US. >> THANK YOU, MS. RYAN. >> THANK YOU. >> POPE TALKS BURKE AND AFTER HIM IS SANDRA FORTNER. OH, I'M SORRY. YOU ARE IN THE WRONG STOCK. >> RIGHT, THE PRICE IS RIGHT FOR MR. COCKRELL, THOUGH. WE HAVE KNOWN EACH OTHER FOR QUITE SOME TIME. I AM HERE ON THE NEXT ITEM. >> NEXT ITEM, I APOLOGIZE. WHEN IT SAID "AGENT," ON THE CARD, I SAID "I HAVE A PROBLEM." I APOLOGIZE. SANDRA FORTNER AND AFTER HER IS BETTY BROWN. >> GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS SANDY FORTNER AND I ACTUALLY LIVE IN PALATKA, BUT I WORK HERE FOR RIVER CPA. I AM A CPA IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA, I HAVE BEEN A CPA FOR ALMOST SEVEN YEARS. WE ARE A SMALL FIRM WITH BIG DREAMS. WE GIVE OUR CLIENTS GREAT SERVICE. YOU HEARD FROM SOME OF OUR CLIENTS TONIGHT. THEY WILL TELL YOU THAT. I HAVE BEEN -- I HANDLED THE MAJORITY OF PROBABLY OUR LARGER CLIENTS, PROBABLY 80% OF THEM, I HAVE NEVER MET. I HAVE INCREDIBLE RELATIONSHIPS WITH THEM, PICK UP THE PHONE, TEXT THEM, WE EMAIL EACH OTHER, WE DON'T NEED TO END TODAY -- WE ARE VERY TECH SAVVY, WE UTILIZE THE CLOUD, WE UTILIZE EVERY PIECE OF TECHNOLOGY THAT WE CAN. WE WORK MONDAY THROUGH THURSDAYS, WE DON'T WORK OVERTIME DURING TAX SEASON. WE MAKE SURE WE ARE SUFFICIENTLY STAFFED TO SERVE OUR CLIENTS. WE HAVE -- AND YOU HAVE HEARD IT SAID -- OUR TRAFFIC IS MINIMAL. I HAVE WORKED AT OTHER CPA FIRMS, THERE IS NO COMPARISON TO WHAT WE HAVE, HERE. AND I THINK CHANGE IS HARD, IT IS HARD FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE. IT WILL HAPPEN WHETHER WE WANT IT OR NOT, IT DOESN'T MATTER IF IT IS THIS SITUATION OR SOMETHING ELSE, BUT I THINK THE FACT IS, YOU HAVE HEARD IT, THE CHANGE IS GOING TO HAPPEN AND WE ARE GOING TO DO OUR VERY, VERY BEST TO MAKE SURE THAT IMPACT IS MINIMAL, BECAUSE IT IMPACTS US MORE THAN ANYBODY. WE WANT A GOOD WORKING ENVIRONMENT, BUT MOST OF ALL, WE WANT TO SERVE OUR CLIENTS AND GIVE THEM THE GREAT SERVICE WE HAVE ALWAYS GIVEN THEM. THERE IS A HUGE NEED FOR CPA. I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY HAS LOOKED FOR ONE RECENTLY, BUT MOST OF THE PHONE CALLS YOU WILL MAKE WILL SAY "WE ARE NOT TAKING NEW CLIENTS." A LOT OF OUR CLIENTS THAT WE SERVE HAVE NEVER EVEN BEEN TO GREEN COVE SPRINGS. AND THAT IS OUR PLAN, TO CONTINUE TO DO THAT. WE DO WORK REMOTELY. WE WORK, YOU KNOW, I, PERSONALLY, WORK A LOT DURING TAX SEASON. I WORK FROM HOME BECAUSE WE CAN DO THAT AND THAT IS OUR PLAN AND THAT PLAN IS NOT GOING TO CHANGE. MR. GREER, WE SEE OUT THERE ON THE CARTS -- HE IS A JOGGER, TOO. HE LEFT THAT OUT. BUT, WE HAVE NO IMPACT ON THEIR LIVES, THEIR DAILY LIVES. AND I THINK THE OTHER ONES WHO HAVE BEEN HERE CAN TELL YOU THAT THE IMPACT IS ZERO. AND I DON'T SEE THAT BEING ANY DIFFERENTLY. WE ARE VERY CONSCIOUS OF WHERE WE ARE AT NOW. WE ARE CROWDED, AND WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT AND STAN IS TRULY DOING WHAT HE FEELS IS BEST, AND I AGREE WITH HIM, FOR THIS COMMUNITY, FOR HIS EMPLOYEES, AND FOR HIS CLIENTS. AND HOPEFULLY, FORWARD-LOOKING, THAT EVERYONE WILL SEE A CPA FIRM, AND IF YOU HAVE EVER BEEN TO ONE, IT IS JUST A GREAT PLACE TO WORK, A GREAT PLACE TO VISIT, AND THEY HAVE MINIMAL IMPACT ON THEIR ENVIRONMENT. >> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> BETTY BROWN, AND AFTER MS. BROWN, CHELSEA CLOSE. >> HI, MY NAME IS BETTY BROWN. I AM ACTUALLY FROM WRIGHTSVILLE, FLORIDA, AND WORK IN GREENE CO., SO YOU CAN TELL PROBABLY FROM MY COMMUTE I TRULY LOVE MY JOB AT RIVER CPA. I HAVE WORKED FOR RIVER CPA FOR A LITTLE OVER 12 YEARS. I CAME FROM JOHN LANDING AND WORK FOR HIM FOR 28 YEARS. MY BIGGEST CONCERN WITH LOOKING AT THE PLANS IS THE TWO STORY -- I REALLY LIKE THE CONCEPT OF THE [03:40:04] TWO STORY. THE INDIVIDUAL TWO BUILDINGS REALLY CONCERNS ME WITH DIVIDING OUR EMPLOYEES UP, AND PEOPLE PULLING IN AND BEING LIKE "THERE IS RIVER CPA HERE, RIVER CPA HERE." AND WE WORK CLOSELY TOGETHER AS A TEAM WHEN WE ARE TOGETHER, ME AND THE EMPLOYEES, SO I FEEL LIKE THAT WOULD BE A PLUS, THE TWO STORIES, FOR THAT WORKING ENVIRONMENT. I THINK SEEING THE APPROACH ON OUR TRAFFIC FLOW AND HOW PEOPLE DO WORK REMOTELY A LOT OF TIMES, I ACTUALLY AM GOING TO START TO BECAUSE OF THE COMMUTE IN THE TRAFFIC PATTERN. IT IS JUST GETTING KIND OF CRAZY, MY COMMUTE IS LIKE AN HOUR DRIVE. SO, I WOULD LOVE TO BE ABLE TO WORK IN THAT NEW, TWO STORY BUILDING. AND AGAIN -- THAT IS ABOUT ALL I HAVE TO SAY, BUT I TRULY LOVE WORKING FOR CBA AND I THINK IT IS A WONDERFUL CPA FIRM. AND PRIOR TO COVID, THERE MAY HAVE BEEN MORE TRAFFIC FLOW, BUT COVID BROUGHT ON EVERYBODY STARTED EMAILING, AND CALLING AND NOT COMING INTO THE OFFICE, AND THAT JUST STUCK AND IT IS STILL THAT WAY, SO WE CAN HANDLE EVERYTHING REMOTELY. AND THAT GIVES THEM TIME TO GO OUT AND DO THEIR BUSINESS, AND MAKE THEIR MONEY, AND THEY ARE NOT HAVING TO COME INTO OUR OFFICE. SO, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >> THANK YOU. CHELSEA CLOSE, AND AFTER HER, IS JOSEPH WALKER. >> HI, MY NAME IS CHELSEA CLOSE, ADDRESS 2730 WORLD POINT DRIVE. I ACTUALLY LIVE IN LAKE ASBURY, SO NOT FAR FROM OUR OFFICE. I HAVE WORKED AT RIVER CPA FOR ALMOST THREE YEARS, NOW. TO BE HONEST, A CPA FIRM IS THE QUIETEST OFFICE TO WORK OUT. I HAVE PROBABLY SEEN ABOUT 5% OF OUR CLIENTS, OR EVEN KNOW WHAT THEY LOOK LIKE. A LOT OF THEM HERE TODAY I HAVE NEVER SEEN BEFORE, SO IT IS ACTUALLY INTERESTING. WE JUST DO EVERYTHING ELECTRONICALLY THESE DAYS. HONESTLY, THE ONLY IMPACT THAT WE HAVE FOR VEHICLES, IS OURSELVES. HALF OF WHICH, ARE MOTHERS OR GRANDMOTHERS, SO WE ARE VERY COGNIZANT OF PARKING AND CHILDREN. I AM ONE IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD WHO IS ALWAYS HEARING A VEHICLE BEFORE I SEE IT AND TRYING TO GET THEM TO SLOW DOWN, SO WE ARE NOT COMING IN TO TRY TO DISRUPT ANYONE. WE ARE JUST TRYING TO GET OUR CLIENTS AND OUR EMPLOYEES A BETTER OFFICE. THAT WAY, WE CAN FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE WORKING AND CONTINUE TO WORK IN THIS AREA. THE LAST THING THAT WE NEED IS TO BE PUSHED OUT BY TOO MUCH CONSTRUCTION, AND GROWTH FROM ALL OF THE RESIDENTIAL COMING IN. WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO SERVE ALL OF OUR CLIENTS. SO, I'M HOPING WE CAN GET THIS TWO STORY BUILDING SO WE CAN WORK MORE EFFECTIVELY WITH OUR CLIENTS, AND WITH EACH OTHER, INSTEAD OF HAVING TO GO THROUGH GIANT CIRCLES, AND HAVE TWO WEIRD BUILDINGS. THAT IS NOT THE LOOK THAT WE WANT FOR CLAY COUNTY. MOST OF US LIVE HERE. SO, I AM HOPING YOU CAN SEE WHERE WE ARE COMING FROM. WE ARE NOT COMING IN TO HAVE A LOT OF FOOT TRAFFIC. WE WILL BE AT THE VERY END OF THE ROAD, JUST OUR CARS MOST OF THE TIME, AND I'M HOPING THIS GETS APPROVED. >> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> JOSEPH WALKER, AND AFTER HIM, ROBERT HALL. >> HI, I AM JOSEPH WALKER. I OWN A BUSINESS AT 1528 VIRGIL'S WAY. I AM A RESIDENT OF DUVAL COUNTY, BUT I AM A CUSTOMER OF RIVER CPA, HAS BEEN FOR SEVEN YEARS. THEY ARE A GREAT GROUP OF PEOPLE, THERE. WE PROVIDE PEST CONTROL SERVICES, SO WE DO A LOT OF SERVICES FOR STAN'S HOME, WHICH IS ALSO HIS CURRENT BUSINESS AND I CAN ATTEST TO THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC, I WILL GO THERE FOR TWO HOURS DOING SERVICES FOR HIM, AND I WILL NOT SEE ONE CAR, AND GO UNTIL LUNCHTIME, AND THEN THERE IS LIKE FOUR CARS, AND THAT IS JUST THE EMPLOYEES LEAVING FOR LUNCH. I BELIEVE THEY WORK LIKE MONDAY THROUGH THURSDAY, USUALLY. MAYBE DURING BUSY SEASON, THERE MIGHT BE A FRIDAY IN THERE, SO THEY WORK PRETTY STANDARD HOURS, SO YOU ARE NOT GOING TO HAVE WEEKEND TRAFFIC COMING IN AND OUT, THINGS LIKE THAT. HE MAINTAINED HIS HOME VERY WELL, I CAN ATTEST TO THIS. AND, YOU KNOW, I HAVE SEEN THE RENDERINGS OF THE TWO PROPERTIES, AND I THINK OFTEN TIMES, WHEN GOVERNMENTS ARE TRYING TO ESTABLISH A COMMUNITY FEEL, THEY PUT THE PARKING LOT RIGHT UP FRONT, SO YOU GO DOWN THE ROAD, YOU SEE THESE PARKING LOTS AND IT JUST DOESN'T PROVIDE THAT DIVIDE AND THAT FUEL THAT YOU WANT WHEN YOU ARE GOING THROUGH A CITY OR A TOWN. AND THIS IS NOT IN THE TOWN OF GREEN COVE SPRINGS, IT IS ON THE WAY THERE, SO IT STARTS BURNING THAT FIVE [03:45:02] INTO THE COMMUTE. I COME UP AND DOWN 17 TWICE EVERY DAY, I GO DOWN IN THE MORNING FOR WORK AND COME UP IN THE AFTERNOON, AND I THINK IT WOULD BE GREAT TO SEE, YOU KNOW, SOME NICER, MORE THOUGHT OUT WHEN IT COMES TO COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES. BUT, THAT IS ABOUT ALL I HAVE AND THAT IS MY SUPPORT OF THE NEW BUILDINGS. >> OKAY, THANK YOU. ROBERT HALL AND AFTER MR. HALL, BRADEN WEAVER. >> HOW YOU DOING? MY NAME IS ROBERT HALL, I LIVE AT 1530 PETERS CREEK ROAD, SO I AM A NEIGHBOR OF ALLEN'S, I AM A NEIGHBOR OF STANDS, I HAVE LIVED THERE FOR 20 SOMETHING YEARS. MY GRANDMOTHER OWNED THE PROPERTY. SINCE THE '80S, SHE LIVED THERE UNTIL SHE MOVED OUT. MY WIFE HAS GROWN UP THERE. IF YOU ARE WORRIED ABOUT TRAFFIC, THESE GUYS ARE NOT GOING TO CAUSE YOU ANY TRAFFIC. I HAVE RAISED TWO BOYS AND A GIRL ON THAT ROAD, THEY RODE BICYCLES. MY DAUGHTER STILL GO TO THAT BUS STOP AT THE END OF THE ROAD, I NEVER HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT ANYTHING. YOU HAVE SEEN THE LADIES THAT WORK WITH STAN, THEY ARE NOT GOING TO CAUSE ANY TROUBLE OUT THERE, AS FAR AS TRAFFIC GOES. BUT, I DO UNDERSTAND EVERYBODY'S POINT. I KNOW CHANGE IS TOUGH, AND I GET IT. THEY ARE BUILDING HOUSES AROUND US RIGHT NOW AND I THINK THEY ARE BUILDING HOUSES AROUND EVERYBODY, SO EVERYBODY IS FEELING SQUEEZED A LITTLE BIT, AND I GET IT. BUT, AS FAR AS STAN GOES, HE IS A GREAT GUY. THE TRAFFIC WOULDN'T BE MY CONCERN. I JUST THINK HE IS GOING TO DO WHATEVER IT TAKES TO MAKE IT RIGHT, KNOWING WHERE IT IS AT, SO WHATEVER THOSE PEOPLE WOULD WANT, I KNOW STAN WOULD GO OUT OF HIS WAY TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE HEARD AND TAKEN CARE OF. AND THAT IS WHAT I KNOW. SO, THANKS. >> THANK YOU, SIR. BRADEN WEAVER, AND AFTER MR. WEAVER, RYAN -- I NEVER SEE IT RIGHT. SO, RYAN, I AM SO SORRY. >> EVENING. MY NAME IS BRADEN WEAVER. I LIVE AT 1540 PETERS CREEK ROAD. YOU JUST SPOKE TO MY STEPDAD. I WAS ONE OF THE BOYS WHO WAS RAISED UP, UP THERE. I HAVE BEEN A NEIGHBOR FOR HIM EVER SINCE I CAN REMEMBER. I PRACTICALLY WATCHED HIM MOVE IN, ON OUR ROAD, AND BUILD HIS COMPANY FROM THE GROUND UP. AND IT HAS NEVER BEEN AN ISSUE. WE RAN THE ROADS WHEN WE WERE YOUNGER, ME AND MY BROTHER ROAD BIKES, ATVS. ME AND MY FIANCE, WE WALK OUR DOGS EVERY NOW AND AGAIN, AND I HARDLY EVER NOTICE IT, SO I ALWAYS FEEL SAFE WHEN I WALK UP AND DOWN THE DRIVEWAY. SO, REALLY, JUST THE TRAFFIC IS NOTHING, IT HAS NEVER BEEN ANYTHING THERE. SO, I THINK I HAVE NOTICED MORE PEOPLE MOVING IN MORE THAN HIS EMPLOYEES OR ANYTHING. SO, I'M JUST COMING HERE TO HOPEFULLY, YOU KNOW, TAKE CONSIDERATION INTO APPROVING THESE PLANS, I'D BE REALLY GRATEFUL INTO HIM, OF COURSE. THANK YOU AND HAVE A GREAT EVENING. >> THANK YOU. >> RYAN, AND I APOLOGIZE THAT I HAVE TO HAVE LESSONS EVERY TIME YOU SPEAK OF PUBLIC COMMENT. NOT A PROBLEM. HOW ARE YOU DOING, COMMISSIONERS? YOU KNOW WHO I AM, I AND THE CAC CHAIRMAN FOR THE SPRINGS DISTRICT -- SORRY ABOUT THAT. WE HEARD FROM THE APPLICANT, WHAT WAS GOING ON, SHE HAS THE BA-2, WANTS TO CHANGE IT TO PCE. HE PROVIDED A GREAT VISUAL, I BELIEVE WE GOT THE SAME PACKETS THAT YOU ALL GOT. WHAT WE SAW, WE ALL APPROVED IT, AND WE WERE LIKE, OKAY, THIS IS GOING TO BE THE BEST PLAN AND A LOT BETTER THAN WHAT WE SAW IN NOVEMBER. WE HAVE HAD LONG DISCUSSIONS ABOUT IT, AND WE EVEN ASKED THEIR LAWYER IF HE HAD ANYTHING TO SAY, HE WAVED IT OFF AND SHE SAID, "I DON'T WANT TO TALK TO YOU GUYS." OKAY, THAT'S FINE. AND I BELIEVE SOME OF THE OTHER PEOPLE ON MY BOARD WERE ASKED ABOUT THE BUFFER ZONE IN THE TREES AND THEY SAID, YEAH, IF YOU COULD ACCOMMODATE THAT, THAT WOULD BE AWESOME. SO, OTHER THAN THAT, IF ANYBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME, I AM HERE. SO, OTHER THAN THAT, I WILL SIT DOWN. >> THANK YOU, WE APPRECIATE IT. ALL RIGHT, I DO NOT HAVE ANY OTHER CARDS, IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK AT THE PUBLIC HEARING? SEENG ON, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. WITH THE APPLICANT LIKE A REBUTTAL? PLEASE LIMIT IT TO A [03:50:02] COUPLE OF MINUTES. >> THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. I APPRECIATE TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION FROM ALL OF THE SPEAKERS TONIGHT, I THANK THEM FOR COMING OUT, I THINK THE NEIGHBORS ARE COMING OUT AND EXPRESSING THEIR CONCERNS, AS WELL. AS STATED, WE HAVE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT EVERY CONCERN THEY HAVE EXPRESSED THROUGH THE MEETING, STARTING WAY BACK WHEN THIS WAS FIRST PROPOSED AS A REZONING IN NOVEMBER. WE HAVE HEARD THEIR CONCERNS LOUD AND WELL. WE HAVE INCORPORATED THE CONCERNS INTO EVERY ASPECT OF THIS PCD EACH AND EVERY STEP OF THE WAY. A COUPLE THINGS TO POINT OUT AS I HAVE REVIEWED THIS, AS WELL, ALONG THE WAY, WE HAVE SEVEN PARCELS ON FRAZIER ROW THAT I HAVE COUNTED. OF THOSE SEVEN PARCELS, THERE IS TWO THAT HAVE NOT BEEN DEVELOPED, YET. OF THE SPEAKERS THIS EVENING, TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS, WE HAVE THREE PROPERTY OWNERS HERE THIS EVENING THAT HAVE SPOKEN, THREE DIFFERENT FAMILIES THAT HAVE SPOKEN THIS EVENING. WE TAKE THOSE CONCERNS INTO ACCOUNT GREATLY, WE UNDERSTAND AND BELIEVE IN NOVEMBER, WE GIVE SOME COLOR TO THE TRANSITION THAT TOOK PLACE IN THE EARLY '80S, '90S, WHERE A CHANGE FROM ITS PREVIOUS ZONING TO ACCOMMODATE THE TRANSITION FROM RESIDENTIAL TO PROVIDE AN EASY TRANSITION INTO COMMERCIAL, WHICH HAS THIS PUT INTO PLACE. I BELIEVE YOU MENTIONED THE EARLY '90S, CLAY COUNTY HAS CHANGED A LOT SINCE THE EARLY '90S. THAT IS A LONG TIME AGO. I MEAN, I WAS ALMOST 5 YEARS OLD AND I TURN 40 IN A FEW WEEKS. A LOT HAS CHANGED IN CLAY COUNTY SINCE THEN. WE HAVE ALSO MADE A LOT OF CHANGES SINCE COVID, AND DEMAND WHAT WE HAVE AT OUR GREAT SCHOOLS, WE HAVE A DEMAND THAT YOU TOO WITH REGULARLY, THE DEMAND FOR HOUSING AND HOW DO WE PLAN FOR INFRASTRUCTURE? WE USE ABOUT 72% TO 75% OF OUR RESIDENTS THAT LEAVE THE COUNTY EVERY DAY TO GO TO WORK OUTSIDE THE COUNTY? HOW DO WE STOP THAT? WE PUT GROWTH AND OF ELEMENT IN OUR COUNTY TO HELP REDUCE THAT IMPACT ON OUR ROADS. THIS IS RESPONSIBLE GROWTH AND DEVELOPMENT, HERE. I WANT TO POINT OUT, TOO, THAT I KNOW IT IS A CONCERN BY ONE OF OUR NEIGHBORS HERE THAT MENTIONED THE SIDEWALKS THAT ARE IMPACTING THEIR PROPERTY, WE ACTUALLY MOVED THAT SIDEWALK FROM THE SOUTH TO THEIR SIDE OF THE PROPERTY TO ADDRESS THE CONCERNS THEY HAD ORIGINALLY BEFORE THEY WERE ALL PROPOSED EVEN AND WE CAN FIX THAT, AS WELL. BUT, TO ADDRESS THEIR CONCERNS WHEN THEY WERE WALKING TO THE MAILBOXES ON THEIR SIDE OF THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE ROAD, WE WANT TO PROVIDE THEM A SAFE AREA TO WALK BY PROVIDING THAT SIDEWALK. IF WE ARE GOING TO PUT THE MAILBOXES ON OUR PROPERTY AND COMMUNITY MAILBOX IN OUR PROPERTY, THEY WILL NOT NEED THAT SIDEWALK, THEREFORE THERE WILL BE NO IMPACT, BUT WE DID EVERYTHING WE CAN TO ACCOMMODATE THEM FROM A SAFETY STANDPOINT TO MAKE SURE WE UNDERSTOOD WHAT THEY WERE LOOKING AT FROM A SAFETY STANDPOINT OF TRYING TO NAVIGATE A DIRT ROAD OR A NEWLY PAVED ROAD. I KNOW THERE WAS A CONCERN FROM THE NEIGHBOR ABOUT THE FENCE NOT BEING MENTIONED, THE FENCE IS WRITTEN IN OUR PCD, IT IS ALREADY PROPOSED, 100% CAPACITY FENCE AS WELL AS THE UNDISTURBED BUFFER. I KNOW YOU HAD ASKED AND I HEARD ONE OF THE NEIGHBORS MENTIONED MEDICAL MARIJUANA, THAT IS NOT EVEN A CONDITIONAL USE ALLOWED -- SO AGAIN IN THIS PCD IT IS NOT EVEN ALLOWED IN THIS PCD, IT IS NOT EVEN PUT IN THERE WITH THE OTHER CONDITIONAL USES. SO AGAIN, WHAT WE HAVE DONE INTO HIGHLIGHT ONCE AGAIN, WE HAVE TAKEN A MORE INTENSE USE OF BA-2 AND WE HAVE TAKEN OUT THE INTENSE USE OF BA-2 MEDICAL, AND THE OTHER CONDITIONAL USES THAT ARE IN BA-2 TODAY SO WE HAVE REDUCED THE INTENSITY THAT WE CAN DO TODAY BY TAKING OUT THOSE USES, THE USES BY WHICH THEY HAVE SAID TIME AND TIME AGAIN THEY ARE CONCERNED ABOUT GENERATING MORE CARS, TRAFFIC, AND SO FIRST. YOU HAVE HEARD SOME CHARACTER TESTIMONY TODAY IF YOU WILL FROM SOME CLIENTS AND EMPLOYEES FROM MY CLIENT, AS WELL, ATTESTING TO SOME OF THE OTHER IMPACTS. BUT, I COME TO YOU TODAY TO TAKE ALL OF THOSE INTO CONSIDERATION, THAT WE HAVE TAKEN INTO CONTEXT, WE HAVE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT THE NEIGHBORS CONCERNS. WE WANT THIS TO BE THE BEST PRODUCT FOR THE COUNTY AND THE BEST PRODUCT FOR WHAT CAN BE DONE TODAY, VERSUS WHAT WE HAVE TO DO, BECAUSE IT DOES HAVE TO PASS THE LIMITED HALF-ACRE THAT WE HAVE, WE HAVE TO MAXIMIZE TO THE BEST OF OUR ABILITIES FOR THAT FIRM TO OPERATE, AND I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME, AND I APPRECIATE ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. >> CHAIR, IF I COULD ADD TO THE STATEMENT? >> SURE. >> OUR PCD CODE CRITERIA ALLOWS FOR MEDICAL MARIJUANA AS A CONDITIONAL USE, BUT I WOULD NOT, AS THE APPLICANT SAID, ALL MEDICAL USES ARE PROHIBITED, I WOULD SAY THAT IT WOULD NOT BE WITH ALLOWED. >> OKAY, THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD, IS THERE ANY COMMUNICATION THAT NEEDS TO BE DISCLOSED FROM COMMISSIONERS? I WILL START -- I HAD TEXT COMMUNICATION WITH -- I'M SORRY, WHAT? >> GO AHEAD. YOU GO AHEAD. [03:55:02] >> I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY, I HAD TEXT COMMUNICATION WITH JOSH COCKRELL, AND I HAD TEXT AND PHONE CALL COMMUNICATION WITH WILL GARDNER. COMMISSIONER SGROMOLO? >> JOSH COCKRELL REACHED OUT TO ME AND SCHEDULED A MEETING WITH THE APPLICANT, MR. HUNT, AND WE HAD A PHONE CONVERSATION AND I RECEIVED NUMEROUS EMAILS FROM MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY. >> I ALSO RECEIVED NUMEROUS EMAILS FROM THE COMMUNITY, I SPOKE WITH STAN HUNT, AND SENT A TEXT AND PHONE CALL TO JOSH COCKRELL. >> COMMISSIONER COMPERE? >> I HAD COMMUNICATIONS WITH MR. COCKRELL AT THE PNC BOARD AND EMAILS FROM RESIDENTS. >> OKAY. >> COMMISSIONER COMPERE? >> I HAVE HAD MULTIPLE CONVERSATIONS, VIA PHONE, WITH JOSH COCKRELL, AND I TOOK A PHONE CALL FROM STAN HUNT AND I HAVE RECEIVED THE EMAILS FROM THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS. >> I GUESS, MOST LIKELY, YOU HAVE EMAILED ME ALSO, BUT I AM BEHIND ON MY EMAILS, SO YOU CAN TELL WHO HAS READ YOUR EMAIL AND WHO HASN'T OVER THE WEEKEND, SO -- IF YOU SEE IT, OUR EMAILS ARE ALL PUBLIC RECORD, WITHOUT PUBLIC RECORD REQUEST, YOU CAN VIEW THEM ON OUR WEBSITES. IF YOU SEE MINE IT IS NOT THAT I DIDN'T DISCLOSE IT, IT IS THAT THAT I DIDN'T READ THEM. IT DOESN'T SHOW IF WE READ THEM OR NOT. AT ANY RATE -- ALL RIGHT. SO, WE ARE ON ITEM 26, AND I WILL BRING IT BACK FOR A MOTION AND DISCUSSION. >> ALL RIGHT, I WILL START. ALL RIGHT, I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS FOR STAFF. SO, JENNY, I KEEP ON HEARING THERE IS ZERO GUARANTEE IF MR. HUNT SOLD, IT WOULD STAY WITH THE SAME ZONING AND LAND-USE. IS THAT TRUE? CAN YOU GO OVER THAT ONE MORE TIME? BECAUSE I KEEP HEARING THE SAME THING. >> SURE. SO, IF MR. HUNT DID SELL THE PROPERTY, IT WOULD BE BOUND WITH THE PCD THAT GOES WITH THE LAND, SO IF THEY WANTED TO CHANGE THE USES, THEY WOULD HAVE TO AMEND THE PD, WHICH WOULD COME WITH A SUBSTANTIAL DEVIATION FROM THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN. IT HAS TO COME BACK TO YOU FOR APPROVAL. >> OKAY. AND -- LET'S SEE, IS RICHARD HERE? RICHARD, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU. SO, WHENEVER THEY ARE IMPROVING THE ROAD FOR COMMERCIAL USE, I HAVE BEEN ON THIS ROAD THREE OR FOUR TIMES, SO I DEFINITELY KNOW, YOU KNOW, THE SIZE OF IT. YOU KNOW, WHAT WOULD THEY HAVE TO DO TO IMPROVE THE ROAD FOR THE COMMERCIAL? >> RICHARD SMITH, COUNTY ENGINEER. ANY ROAD THAT DOESN'T MEET CURRENT COUNTY STANDARDS -- AND A DIRT ROAD DOESN'T -- IF IT IS GOING TO BUILD A NEW DRIVEWAY WITH EITHER COMMERCIAL USE, OR THREE OR MORE RESIDENTIAL LOTS, THESE WOULD MEET OUR STANDARD. THAT STANDARD ON THIS ROAD, SINCE IT IS COMMERCIAL, WOULD BE 24 FEET WIDE WITH A STANDARD SIX INCH BASE AND SIX INCHES OF LIME ROCK BASS AND TWO INCHES OF ASPHALT. >> DO WE HAVE ANY IDEA HOW WIDE THAT ROAD IS? >> THAT ROAD RIGHT NOW? I DROVE IT FRIDAY NIGHT, IT IS ABOUT 16, MAYBE 18. IT IS CLEARLY A LITTLE WIDER THAN THAT, BUT THE ACTUAL DRIVING SURFACE IS NARROW, IT IS A 1 1/2 LANE ROAD. >> OKAY, SO IT WOULD BE PAVED TO WHERE? TO THE END OF HIS PROPERTY? >> YES, BECAUSE THE REST OF IT IS PRIVATE. >> ALL RIGHT. >> IT THEN CEASES TO BECOME COUNTY PROPERTY, WE WOULD PUT COUNTY MAINTENANCE, WHATEVER, SIGNAGE LIKE THAT AND KEEP THE SAFETY KITS AND ALL OF THAT BUT THAT IS ALL THAT WE WOULD ASK. IT WOULD THEN BE MAINTAINED BY THE COUNTY. IT WOULD HAVE A TWO YEAR WARRANTY AND THEN BE MAINTAINED BY THE COUNTY. OKAY? >> ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. >> RICHARD? >> YES, SIR? >> CURB AND GUTTER? >> WE DON'T NEED CURB AND GUTTER ON THIS BECAUSE OF THE WAY THAT IT DRAINS. THERE WOULD BE A SIDEWALK ON ONE SIDE, IS MY UNDERSTANDING. SO, WITHOUT CURB AND GUTTER, IT WILL WORK BETTER. >> THANK YOU. >> THEY MAY WANT TO PUT CURB AND GUTTER IN, I WOULDN'T OBJECT TO IT, BASED ON WHAT THEY HAVE IN THEIR PARKING LOT, SO -- >> I HAVE A QUESTION, I DON'T KNOW IF IT IS RICHARD, OR FOR YOU, JENNY, BUT THERE WAS A LOT OF CONVERSATION ABOUT PARKING SPACES, AND MY QUESTION IS, BETWEEN THE CURRENT ZONING AND THE PCD PROPOSED, IS THERE ANY DIFFERENCE IN THE AMOUNT OF PARKING SPACES ALLOWED? [04:00:10] >> THE AMOUNT REQUIRED IS GOVERNED BY ARTICLE EIGHT, AND SO, IT WOULD BE THE SAME, BECAUSE IT IS THE SAME USE. >> THE SAME USE OF BOTH? >> IT IS NOT GOVERNED BY THE ZONING DISTRICT. >> SO, THE AMOUNT OF PARKING SPACES, IT DOES NOT CHANGE, REGARDLESS OF THE CURRENT ZONING OF IT, OR OF THE PROPOSED CHANGE? >> CORRECT. >> OKAY. >> ALL RIGHT. SO, OF COURSE, WE ALL HEARD IT BACK IN NOVEMBER WHENEVER IT CAME BEFORE US, AND I -- YOU KNOW, I SPOKE ABOUT STAN, I KNOW HIM, I KNOW WHAT KIND OF PERSON HE IS, I AM SURE HE LOVES ALL OF THE WONDERFUL THINGS ABOUT HIM -- WHO WOULDN'T -- BUT, IT IS NICE TO KNOW THAT WE HAVE SUCH A GREAT BUSINESS ALSO IN OUR COUNTY. THAT PEOPLE TRUST. SO, I HAD A A FEW THINGS -- YOU KNOW, IT SEEMS LIKE EVERYTHING THAT HAS BEEN QUESTIONED, I FEEL LIKE JOSH AND STAN TRIED TO ADDRESS IT AND THEY DID TRY THEIR BEST. YOU KNOW, MOVING THE OFFICE BUILDING UP TO 17, I DROVE DOWN FRASER ROAD AGAIN, I DIDN'T GO VERY FAR, Y'ALL, JUST TO LET YOU KNOW. I WOULDN'T WANT PEOPLE COMING DOWN THERE, EITHER. BUT, I DID SEE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE THE OFFICE BUILDING -- AND WE CAN SEE IT ON THIS DRAWING HERE OF THE 17 -- YOU HAVE THE PARKING LOT DOUBLE, QUITE A LARGE PARKING LOT POND, AND THEN I KNOW -- I DIDN'T KNOW IF ANYBODY ELSE ASKED FOR IT, BUT I ASKED JOSH SPECIFICALLY AND MYSELF IF WE COULD HAVE 10 FOOT UNDISTURBED, THERE ARE WORDS THERE, THEY DON'T CUT THE 10 FOOT DOWN, SO I HAVE HAD TO DEAL WITH A LOT OF THINGS THAT I FELT LIKE WERE DONE WRONG IN MY DISTRICT, AND BY THE TIME SOMEONE COMES AND CUTS DOWN STUFF, THEN THERE IS NOTHING WE CAN DO ABOUT IT, AND THAT JUST AGGRAVATES ME TO NO END BECAUSE THEY GET AWAY WITH IT, SO I ASKED, ARE YOU SURE? I CAN BE THERE THAT DAY WHEN THEY DO IT, IF I HAVE TO BE, BUT, YOU KNOW, ARE YOU SURE IT IS GOING TO BE UNDISTURBED? AND I WAS PROMISED THAT WOULD BE THE CASE. THIS, THE HOME NEXT DOOR, WE HAVE A PICTURE RIGHT HERE ALSO WITH A GABLE END. YOU KNOW, WHAT I SAW -- YOU KNOW, BECAUSE AGAIN, YOU KNOW, AS THIS RESIDENT SAID, WE TRY TO PUT YOURSELF IN YOUR SHOES, AND I WOULDN'T WANT SOMEONE BEING ABLE TO LOOK IN MY BEDROOM DOOR, OR WINDOW, OR WHATEVER. SO, I AM THINKING, YOU KNOW, IF WE HAVE THIS BUILDING ALL THE WAY TO 17, THEN WE HAVE THE PARKING LOT, THEN A 10 FOOT UNDISTURBED, THEN A GABLE -- I THINK IT WOULD BE DIFFICULT FOR SOMEONE TO LOOK DOWN FROM A TWO STORY INTO THESE WINDOWS, OR AT LEAST IT WOULD BE VERY DIFFICULT AND THEY REALLY WOULD HAVE TO BE TRYING TO TRY TO LOOK INTO SOMEBODY'S WINDOW. SO, THAT IS ANOTHER THING I TOOK INTO ACCOUNT. IF IT WAS TO BE TWO BUILDINGS, OF COURSE IT LOOKS TERRIBLE. I MEAN, WE ARE TRYING TO UPGRADE IN OUR COUNTY SINCE WE ARE HAVING TO DEAL WITH ALL OF THIS DEVELOPMENT AND WE DO WANT IT TO LOOK NICER. HAVING THOSE TWO BUILDINGS -- I MEAN, FOR ME, IF I WAS A RESIDENT HAVING A DUMPSTER IN MY FRONT YARD, THERE WOULD BE NO BUFFER AT THAT POINT, THERE WOULD HAVE TO BE NO BUFFER, IT WOULD BE RIGHT THERE IN THEIR FRONT YARD. I JUST HAVE TO THINK THAT WOULD NOT BE A GOOD THING. LET'S SEE. THEY HAVE THE FENCE ON THE -- IT IS ON THE PLAN, IT WOULD HAVE TO STAY THERE, NO MATTER WHAT IF THAT IS APPROVED. THAT WOULD BUFFER -- LET'S SEE. THE COMMUNITY MAILBOX, I MEAN, THAT WAS A HUGE KIND OF THING FOR ME, THINKING ABOUT LIVING ON THAT ROAD, HAVING TO WALK ALL THE WAY OUT TO 17TH TO GET YOUR MAIL, THAT WOULD BE VERY SCARY. I JUST THOUGHT THAT WAS A VERY NICE THING. HOPEFULLY, THE NEIGHBORS WOULD AGREE TO THAT, TO HAVE A COMMUNITY MAILBOX. IT WOULD BE WONDERFUL FOR EVERYONE. YOU KNOW, SEEING ALL THESE THINGS, I HAVE TO BELIEVE THIS WOULD BE A GOOD THING FOR OUR COUNTY. I THINK IT WOULD BE A GOOD THING FOR, YOU KNOW, WHENEVER WE DRIVE OVER THE BRIDGE AND THIS IS WHAT WE SEE. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WE SEE HOW -- I MEAN, I HAVE DRIVEN PAST THIS PROPERTY, I WOULD HOPE THAT ALL OF Y'ALL HAVE. YEAH IT LOOKS KIND OF BIG ON THIS PICTURE, BUT IT CAN ONLY BE SO BIG ON THAT HALF AN ACRE, YOU KNOW? SO, I THINK HOPEFULLY THAT WAS JUST TO BE ABLE TO SHOW WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE AS FAR AS THE APPEAL OF IT. SO, ANYWAY, THAT IS MY FINDINGS, AND FOR THOSE REASONS, I WOULD ASK I WOULD SAY THAT I MOVE APPROVAL, AND I WOULD ASK FOR YOU TO MOVE FORWARD. >> OKAY, DO WE HAVE A MOTION? DO WE HAVE A SECOND? >> I WILL SECOND THE MOTION. >> OKAY, WE HAVE A SECOND AND A MOTION -- FURTHER DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONER SGROMOLO? [04:05:04] >> I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS. THE FIRST IS THAT -- DOES THE COST OF THE NEW ROADWAY BECOME INCURRED BY THE APPLICANT? >> IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THEY WOULD NEED TO IMPROVE THE PROPERTY IN ORDER TO HAVE THE OFFICE, YES, SIR. >> I AM SEEING A HEADSHAKE OF YES BY THE COUNTY ENGINEER. OKAY. MY SECOND -- MY SECOND QUESTION IS, I REALLY DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH PCD, I THINK IT IS A REALLY, REALLY WIDE ZONING. I GUESS THIS IS A COUNTY ATTORNEY QUESTION -- DO WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO LIMIT SPECIFIC PARCEL ZONING'S? >> I WOULD REFER TO JENNY BUT WITH RESPECT TO THE PCD, THAT ALLOWS YOU TO ACTUALLY -- WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE WRITTEN STATEMENT, THAT IS WHERE YOU ARE ACTUALLY RESTRICTING ALL THE USES, SO IT ALLOWS YOU TO RESTRICT IT MORE THAN THE BA-2 WOULD. >> ACTUALLY, MY INTERPRETATION OF IT -- AND CHARISSE IS MY EDUCATION SO THIS ISN'T JUST ME COMING UP WITH IT -- IS THAT THE PD, WHETHER IT IS A PUD OR A PCD, ACTUALLY GIVE THE BOARD MORE CONTROL, BECAUSE WITHIN THE -- WITH IT THIS CASE, WITHIN THE BA-2, THEY CAN DO THE MEDICAL OFFICES THAT DID ALL OF THE REALTOR, THE INSURANCE, THE AUDITOR, ACCOUNTANT, ATTORNEY, BUT WITHIN THE APPLICATION IS WHEN THEY WERE ELIMINATING THE MEDICAL USES, THE CONDITIONAL USES FOR THE DAY CARE CENTER. SO, IT IS ALWAYS WHAT I HAVE BEEN TOLD BY STAFF, IS THAT THE PD DESIGNATION ACTUALLY LIMITS THEM FURTHER BECAUSE ANY CHANGE FROM THAT HAS TO COME BACK TO THE FULL BOARD, NOT JUST TO STAFF. >> I WOULD JUST FEEL WAY MORE COMFORTABLE -- I MEAN, I DO THINK IF YOU LOOK AT THIS FOR WHAT IT IS, A CPA FIRM IS A VERY LOW IMPACT OFFICE, RIGHT? LIKE, AN ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, A CPA FIRM, VERY LOW IMPACT. SO, I WOULD FEEL MUCH BETTER IF THIS BUILDING WAS LIMITED ONLY TO THOSE USES, PERIOD. AND THEN, IT WOULD BE UP TO THE FUTURE COMMISSIONS TO DECIDE IF THEY WANT TO CHANGE THAT, BUT FOR THIS SPECIFIC CASE, THAT IS WHAT I AM LOOKING AT. >> SO, THAT'S AN INTERESTING PROSPECT. SO, WHAT YOU ARE SUGGESTING IS THAT THE APPLICANT AMEND THE PCD TO ALLOW FOR ACCOUNTING OFFICE ONLY? >> THAT IS FOR THE BOARD TO DECIDE. I MEAN, MAYBE NOT JUST THE COUNTY, BUT SOMETHING WE WOULD ALL AGREE UPON IS A LOW IMPACT TO THE AREA. >> MADAM CHAIR? WHERE IS STAN? STAN, BY THE NOD OF A YES OR A NO, CAN YOU CONFIRM WHETHER A SIGHTLINES STUDY WAS DONE ON THE RENDERINGS THAT YOU HAVE PROVIDED, THAT WOULD CLARIFY LINE OF SIGHT INTO THE HOME ADJACENT TO YOUR PROPERTY? AS WAS REQUESTED BY THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION? OKAY, THANK YOU. >> FURTHER DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONER RENNINGER? >> I WILL JUST MAKE A COMMENT THAT IF WE WOULD DENY THIS REQUEST, IT WOULD REVERT BACK TO BA-2 AND SOME OF THE CONCERNS OF THE RESIDENCE COULD BE REALIZED, BECAUSE THOSE MEDICAL MARIJUANA, MEDICAL SERVICES OPTIONS WOULD ALL BE AUTHORIZED IN A BA-2. AND SO, YOU KNOW, BY DENIAL, I THINK WE HAVE PUT MORE -- WE HAVE DEVELOPED MORE PROBLEMS FOR THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY THAN APPROVAL PCD. SO, I AM IN SUPPORT OF THIS CHANGE. YEAH, I THINK WE COULD GO ALL THE WAY BACK AND SAY, OKAY, IT CAN ONLY BE USED AS AN ACCOUNTING FIRM, THAT IS WHAT A PCD IS ALL ABOUT. BUT, YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY, TOO. YOU KNOW? SHE IS -- IF YOU JUST HAVE A PCD AND YOU CAN ONLY PUT ONE BUSINESS TYPE ON THAT PROPERTY, THE VALUE OF THAT IS A LOT LESS, I WOULD SAY. SO, YOU KNOW, ONCE AGAIN, HE'S GOT A REPUTATION. HE'S GOT EMPLOYEES. A REPUTATION WITH HIS EMPLOYEES, HE HAS A REPUTATION WITH HIS CUSTOMERS, AND I THINK THIS IS A GOOD [04:10:01] CHANGE FOR THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY. MY ONLY HESITATION IS THE TWO STORY AND I JUST -- I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY -- WELL, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY A LOT OF PEOPLE WOULD HAVE A DESIRE TO LOOK INTO SOMEBODY ELSE'S HOUSE. I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT AT ALL. BUT, I HAVE TOO MANY IMPORTANT THINGS TO DO IN MY LIFE TO WORRY ABOUT WHAT YOU ARE DOING IN YOUR LIFE. AND THAT HAPPENS EVERYWHERE. I HAVE A CONDO IN PENSACOLA THAT IS 22 STORIES, AND THAT IS -- THAT OPTION IS AVAILABLE AT ALL TIMES. BUT, I DO UNDERSTAND THAT CONCERN. BUT, GIVEN THE ALTERNATIVE HERE, THIS IS A GOOD CHANGE, I THINK. >> QUESTIONS? >> IT IS STILL ONLY PROFESSIONAL -- WHAT IS THE WORDING? >> SO, THE BA-2 ZONING DISTRICT -- >> ARE YOU MEANING THE WRITTEN STATEMENT? >> SO, THE APPLICANT HAS INDICATED THAT THEY WILL HAVE BA-2 USES, WHICH ARE COMMERCIAL AND PROFESSIONAL OFFICES, OFFICES FOR ATTORNEYS, ENGINEERING OFFICES, ACCOUNTING, BOOKKEEPING, REAL ESTATE, SALES, INSURANCE COMPANIES, FINANCE OFFICES, AND REMOVING THE MEDICAL OFFICE, WHICH ARE DOCTORS, DENTISTS, OSTEOPATHS, AND DENTAL LABORATORIES, OF WHICH I WOULD ALSO INCLUDE WOULD BE MEDICAL MARIJUANA AS A DISPENSARY. >> DID THEY ALSO SAY THEY WOULD REMOVE THE CONDITIONAL USE OF THE DAY CARE CENTER? >> IT IS NOT IN THEIR APPLICATION, AT PRESENT. BUT, THE APPLICANT HAS SAID THAT, WHICH WOULD BE A CONDITION OF APPROVAL, IF THAT IS THE DIRECTION YOU WANT TO GO. >> OKAY, SO, I HAVE LISTENED TO THE CONCERNS THAT ARE PLACED. I HAVE NOT DRIVEN DOWN THE ROAD BECAUSE IT IS A PRIVATE ROAD. I DO NOT DRIVE ONTO PRIVATE PROPERTY WITHOUT PERMISSION. I HAVE DRIVEN BY THEIR IN NUMBER OF TIMES, KNOWING THIS IS COMING BACK. AND SO, I WILL JUST SAY -- MAKE MY COMMENTS AND THEN I HAVE AN AMENDED MOTION TO MAKE. SO, I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERNS OF THE RESIDENTS, AND I HEAR YOU. ON TRAFFIC AND I THINK IT IS DIFFICULT BECAUSE I KNOW THE NEIGHBORS REALLY WANT NOTHING THERE, THEY WANT THE TREES THAT ARE THERE -- I MEAN, IT IS DENSE WOODS RIGHT NOW AND I REALLY GET THAT REALLY WHAT YOU LIKE IS NOTHING THERE, BUT THAT ISN'T GOING TO HAPPEN, BECAUSE MR. HUNT PURCHASED THIS PROPERTY AND HE HAS CERTAIN RIGHTS WITHIN THAT BA-2 ZONING. SO, THEN, I LOOKED ABOUT ACCOUNTABILITY BOTH AROUND 17 AND DOWN 17, AND YOU HAVE RESIDENTIAL TO THE NORTH, SO IN THIS IS WHAT BA-2 ZONING WAS FOR, WAS FOR RESIDENTIAL TO BECOME COMMERCIAL. SO, THEN, THIS IS AN UNDEVELOPED PIECE OF PROPERTY WITH THAT ZONING, AND THEN YOU HAVE ANOTHER GROUP OF WOODS TREES, AND THEN THE NEXT PARCEL DOWN SITS -- THE STRUCTURE SITS BACK FROM THE ROAD, BUT IT IS A HOUSE, AN EXISTING HOUSE THAT IS WHITE, WITH A TWO STORY GARAGE, THAT IS OCCUPIED TODAY. AND THEN, THE NEXT BUSINESS PAST THAT IS THE ONE THAT WAS SHOWN EARLIER, THAT IS AN EXISTING, OLD HOUSE THAT IS THE POOL, THAT HAS A BLUE SIGN, THAT IS THE POOL PLACE. AND THEN, AFTER THAT, IS THE VACANT LOTS THAT IS STILL RESIDENTIAL STILL WAS BA-2 ZONING, THEN AFTER THAT IS THE RACE TRACK, WHICH HAS DIFFERENT ZONING. THEN, ACROSS 17 IS THE BAIL BONDSMAN, AND IT IS AN OLD HOUSE, ACTUALLY IT LOOKS ALMOST LIKE A MOBILE HOME THAT WAS CONVERTED INTO COMMERCIAL. AND SO, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT THAT WAY, BA-2 IS CONSISTENT, RIGHT? IT IS COMPATIBLE BECAUSE THAT IS THE USES. BUT, WHEN I HEAR THE RESIDENTS, AND THEIR FEARS AND CONCERNS, I ACTUALLY THINK THAT THE PCD PROVIDES MORE PROTECTION. SO, MY AMENDED MOTION WOULD BE TO ADD IN THE RESTRICTIONS, TO TAKE OUT THE REAL ESTATE OFFICE, BECAUSE THAT IS GOING TO HAVE A LOT MORE TRAFFIC. AND THERE WAS ONE OTHER ONE THAT WAS LISTED THAT I THOUGHT -- OH! INSURANCE. [04:15:01] INSURANCE. AND, TO ACTUALLY SPECIFICALLY LIST THE CONDITIONAL USE OF THE DAY CARE. SO, I WOULD ACTUALLY SUPPORT IT, IF IT COULD ONLY BE THE ATTORNEY, THE AUDITOR, THE FINANCE -- AND FINANCE IS -- I DON'T LIKE FINANCE, JENNY, BECAUSE FINANCE -- I MEAN, YEAH. IS THAT LIKE, A CHECK CASHING PLACE, OR? >> IT'S JUST BROAD, TOO BROAD. >> YEAH, LIKE, WHO GOES TO THEIR BROKER? NOBODY GOES TO THEIR BROKER. I DON'T KNOW. SO, ANYWAY, THAT ONE IS FUNKY TO ME, BUT I COULD SUPPORT IT, IF IT IS VERY CONDITIONALLY -- IF IT IS VERY RESTRICTED. BECAUSE I THINK THAT THAT WOULD MEET THE NEEDS -- OR, THE CONCERNS THAT THE RESIDENTS HAVE EXPRESSED OF -- BECAUSE IF WE LEAVE IT THE WAY IT IS -- WHICH, THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE SPOKEN TODAY, THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE ON THE ROAD, HAS ASKED US TO LEAVE BA-2 THE WAY IT IS. SO, IF WE LEAVE IT THAT WAY, IT CAN BE DOCTORS OFFICES WITH PEOPLE IN THEIR EVERY 15 MINUTES, IT CAN BE, YOU KNOW, A DENTAL OFFICE, IT CAN BE AN INSURANCE COMPANY, AND I JUST THINK -- I DON'T KNOW. YOU ARE NOT GOING TO HAVE ANY BUFFER, AT ALL. THE RESIDENTS WHO TALKED ABOUT HER HOME AND THE FENCE, AND THE TREES, THAT GOES AWAY, BECAUSE IT IS NOT REQUIRED. BECAUSE MY UNDERSTANDING IS, ACTUALLY, PART OF HER PROPERTY IS ACTUALLY ZONED COMMERCIAL, SO THAT IS A COMPANY GETTING FACTOR, THAT GOODNESS KNOWS WE WISH WE HAD FIXED YEARS AGO, BECAUSE I AM IN A VERY RURAL PART OF THE DISTRICT, SOME OF YOU MAY KNOW I REPRESENT THE RURAL PART OF THE DISTRICT AND WE HAVE A LOT OF DIFFERENT PLACES WERE SOME OF THESE WEIRD ZONING'S HAVE BEEN PUT INTO PLACE, AND WE ARE STUCK WITH THEM AND WE ARE TRYING TO FIX THOSE AND CLEAN UP. SO, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY ELSE WOULD WANT TO JUMP ONTO THAT, BUT I WOULD SUPPORT IT IF IT WAS VERY LIMITED TO, IT COULD ONLY BE THESE THINGS. AND THEN, IF IT WERE ANYTHING ELSE, IT WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK TO THE BOARD. >> AND I WOULD SUGGEST, CHAIR, IF THE APPLICANT IS FINE WITH THAT RESTRICTION? >> WELL, I DON'T HAVE A SECOND YET, SO WE WILL SEE. >> OH, OKAY. >> CAN YOU STATE THE SPECIFIC MOTION? >> YES, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND ON THE FLOOR. >> I KNOW, BUT I WAS SUGGESTING AN AMENDED MOTION. >> ALL RIGHT, HOLD ON. LET ME LOG INTO THE CODE AND I WILL READ IT TO YOU. >> WHILE YOU ARE LOOKING AT THAT, I FIND MYSELF IN THIS WEIRD, COMPLEX SITUATION ALSO BECAUSE THIS PROJECT IS DIFFERENT FROM WHAT CAME BACK TO US INITIALLY IN NOVEMBER, AND I ECHO THE SENTIMENTS OF OUR COMMISSIONER, SPECIFICALLY COMMISSIONER CONDON IN THAT IF I HEAR THE RESIDENTS' CONCERNS, THEN I CAN'T DO WHAT THEY ARE ASKING ME TO, AND SHIELD HEM. FRAZIER RESIDENTS HAVE BEEN VERY SPECIFIC ABOUT THEIR CONCERNS, SO IF I HEAR YOU AND WANT TO FOLLOW SUIT WITH YOUR CONCERN, THAT I CAN'T ALSO LEAVE THE DOOR WIDE OPEN FOR THE HARM YOU ARE HOPING FOR US TO MITIGATE. AND THAT WE HAVE THIS ISSUE OF, THERE ARE REAL CONCERNS THAT ARGUABLY THE APPLICANT HAS NOT ADDRESSED AND HAS BEEN MADE AWARE OF MULTIPLE TIMES. NAMELY, YOU HAVE A RESIDENT BEGGING YOU TO ENSURE THAT NOBODY CAN LOOK INTO THEIR HOUSE. AND THEN, IT BEGS CERTAIN QUESTIONS LIKE, I HAVE NO REAL EXPERIENCE, AS IT RELATES TO ARCHITECTURE AND ENGINEERING. I AM AN ATTORNEY, I DON'T DO THAT SORT OF THING. BUT, IT MAKES ME WONDER, WHY NOT -- WHY DOES THE BUILDING FACE THE RESIDENTS RATHER THAN 17? AND WHY NOT HAVE THE BACK WALL HAVE ZERO WINDOWS? LIKE, FOR ME, IT SEEMS SO PRACTICAL. I DON'T KNOW, BUT IT'S JUST -- WE HAVE BEEN HEARING THIS, AND NOW THIS IS MAY, SO WE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS FOR OVER SIX MONTHS, AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAS BEEN RESOLVED. SO, I FIND MYSELF IN THIS REALLY STICKY SITUATION, BECAUSE I WANT THE AESTHETICS OF CLAY COUNTY TO BE NICE, ALSO. I GET THAT. BUT, IT'S NOT TRACKING, AND MAYBE SOMEBODY CAN CLARIFY FOR ME WHY THAT REMAINS AN OPEN QUESTION THIS EVENING ON THE NIGHT. >> YOU BUILD A BUILDING WITH NO WINDOWS ON ONE SIDE? CAN YOU DO THAT FOR CODE? I WAS JUST CURIOUS. >> WELL, I ACTUALLY HAD ALSO THOUGHT ABOUT THE PARKING LOT. [04:20:03] YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE THE PARKING LOT ON THE BACKSIDE, WHY NOT PUT THE PARKING LOT FACING 17 -- BUT -- AND I DON'T KNOW WHY IT WAS DESIGNED THAT WAY, EITHER, BUT -- RIGHT, AND THE ONE THAT DIDN'T WANT THEM LOOKING IN THE WINDOW, IT IS CLOSER TO THEIR HOUSE. RIGHT, OKAY. I AM NOT EASILY FINDING BA-2, SO I AM IN THE CODE, I AM -- DO YOU HAVE A PAGE NUMBER? OH, WAIT, I AM ON 20. OKAY. >> THE PDF ONE. >> OKAY, HOLD ON. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. SO, MY MOTION IS TO LIMIT COMMERCIAL AND PROFESSIONAL OFFICES FOR ATTORNEYS, ENGINEERING OFFICES, ACCOUNTING, AUDITING, AND BOOKKEEPING SERVICES. >> WHAT ARE YOU REMOVING? >> I AM REMOVING OFFICES FOR DOCTORS, DENTISTS, OSTEOPATHS, CHIROPRACTORS, MEDICAL AND DENTAL LABORATORIES, REAL ESTATE SALES, INSURANCE COMPANIES, AND FINANCE OFFICES. >> HEAR ME. SIRI MIGHT UNDERSTAND ME BETTER THAN MOST. >> AND YOU WANT TO REMOVE THE CONDITIONAL USE? >> AND I WANT TO REMOVE -- SO, HERE IS PARAGRAPH TWO. WE WANT TO DISCUSS ALL OF IT. BUILDING AND USES IMMEDIATELY AND EXCLUSIVELY ACCESSORY TO THE USES PERMITTED IN THE ABOVE. THIS IS IN BA-2. AUTOMOBILE PARKING FACILITIES, CENTRAL HEATING AND COOLING SYSTEMS, THE EMERGENCY GENERATING PLANTS, TRAINING SCHOOLS FOR EMPLOYEES, LIVING QUARTERS FOR A CUSTODIAN OR CARETAKER OF THAT OFFICE OR OFFICE BUILDINGS, BUT THEY HAD ELIMINATED RESIDENTIAL, SO NONE OF THAT COULD BE POSSIBLE, CORRECT? >> THAT IS CORRECT. >> OKAY, SO, KEEP THAT. IN THE NEXT PARAGRAPH SAYS IN BA-2, THE SUBJECTS ARE FOLLOWED TO THESE LIMITATIONS, SEPARATION AND STORAGE TO BE CONDUCTED IN A COMPLETELY SEPARATE BUILDING, SO WE WOULD WANT TO KEEP THAT. IT SAYS, PRODUCTS TO BE SOLD ONLY AT RETAIL, THERE SHOULDN'T BE ANY RETAIL AT ALL. AND THEN, CONDITIONAL USES OF PUBLIC ASSEMBLY, RESIDENTIAL DWELLING, AND DAY CARE CENTERS, I WOULD SAY DO NOT INCLUDE ANY OF THOSE. >> AND MEDICAL MARIJUANA? >> AND MEDICAL MARIJUANA SPECIFICALLY SPELLED OUT, AND YOU SAID THE FENCE IS WRITTEN IN THE PLAN AND THE TREES? >> YES, MA'AM. >> THAT IS WHAT MY MOTION IS. IS THAT CLEAR AS MUD? >> YOU AMENDED IT, SO DOES THAT MEAN THAT WE JUST APPROVE -- >> SO, IF I GET A SECOND TO MY AMENDMENT, THEN WE WOULD CONSIDER MY AMENDMENT FIRST. >> I WILL SECOND THAT MOTION. >> OKAY. >> I THINK. >> THAT'S WHAT I WAS WONDERING. >> YOU CAN DO AN AMENDMENT, AND THEN WE VOTE ON THE AMENDMENT, FIRST. SO, WE WOULD VOTE ON THE ON THE ADDITION OF THOSE SECTIONS, AND THEN WE WOULD CONSIDER THE WHOLE. >> I THINK IF SHE CAN ACCEPT YOUR FRIENDLY AMENDMENT TO HER MOTION, THEN -- >> DO YOU ACCEPT IT? >> I ACCEPT IT. >> THAT KEEPS US FROM HAVING TWO VOTES. >> AND YOU CALLING ME, SAYING -- DO WE NEED TO CONFIRM THAT THE APPLICANT IS >> I WAS THINKING, TOO. >> IS THE APPLICANT WILLING TO ACCEPT THAT CHANGE? >> MADAM CHAIR AND FELLOW COMMISSIONERS, WE DO ACCEPT THAT AMENDMENT. WHEN I DRAFTED THIS PCD, I DID EXCLUDE ALL OF THOSE OTHER ITEMS THAT YOU HAD ALREADY MENTIONED IN THAT APPLICATIONS, ANYHOW. NO, THOSE CONDITIONS WERE NOT EVEN IN THEIR WHEN I DRAFTED IT, AS WELL AS THAT SECOND ARTICLE YOU READ WAS NOT IN THERE, EITHER. SO, WHEN I DRAFTED THIS, IT ONLY INCLUDED [04:25:02] AS STATED THE COMMERCIAL PROFESSIONAL OFFICES WHICH INCLUDED THE ITEMS THAT THEY HAD MENTIONED, THE ATTORNEYS AND SO FORTH. BUT, WE WILL ACCEPT THOSE ADDITIONAL TWO, THREE ITEMS FOR REAL ESTATE AND YOU SAID INSURANCE? >> AND FINANCE. >> AND FINANCE, WHATEVER THAT MAY BE. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT IS A BROKERAGE, OR -- >> WE DON'T KNOW, EITHER. >> AND I KNOW YOU GUYS ARE WORKING ON UPDATING IT, IT NEEDS UPDATING BADLY, AS YOU KNOW. SO, WE WILL ACCEPT IT AND GO FROM THERE. >> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> OKAY, OTHER DISCUSSION, QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? OKAY, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND, IS EVERYONE CLEAR ON WHAT THEY ARE VOTING ON? IF YOU ARE NOT, SPEAK NOW. OKAY, ALL IN FAVOR, [27.  Final Public Hearing to consider ZON 24-0033 (District 3, Comm. Renninger) (J. Bryla)] INDICATE BY SAYING, AYE. >> AYE. >> THOSE OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES, 5-0. ALL RIGHT. THE NUMBER 27, FINAL PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER ZONE 24-0033. THIS APPLICATION IS TO REZONE TO CHANGE 5.73 ACRES FROM AGRICULTURAL RESIDENTIAL TO MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL. CAN I ASK THAT YOU ALL MOVE -- EXCUSE ME? CAN YOU ALL MOVE YOUR CONVERSATIONS OUT OF THE BOARDROOM? WE STILL HAVE A MEETING TO CONDUCT. THANK YOU. GO AHEAD, JENNY. >> THANK YOU. THANK YOU, CHAIR. JENNY BARELA, I STILL HAVE A FROG IN MY THROAT, I APOLOGIZE. THE APPLICATION IS LOCATED IN DISTRICT 3, COMMISSIONER RENNINGER'S DISTRICT AND IS A REQUEST TO CHANGE THE ZONING FROM AR, AGRICULTURAL RESIDENTIAL, TO BA-4, MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL, TO PROVIDE A MULTI-TOWN UNIT COMMUNITY. AS YOU CAN SEE, THE AREA ON THE LEFT, THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED IN A DENSE PART OF THE COUNTY BETWEEN LANDING BOULEVARD TO THE NORTHWEST AND MOODY AVENUE TO THE SOUTHEAST. THE ACCESS FOR THE PROJECT WOULD BE OFF OF 12 OAKS DRIVE, WHICH IS A PRIVATE ROAD. THE GRAPHIC ON THE RIGHT INDICATES THE PARCELS THAT WERE NOTIFIED OF THE PROJECT. THE CURRENT ZONING OF AR -- AGRICULTURAL RESIDENTIAL -- IS LIKELY WHAT ALL THE LANDS WERE IN THE AREA WHEN IT WAS DESIGNATED IN THE 1991 DESIGNATION OF THE ZONING AND COP LAND, BUT AS DEVELOPMENT HASN'T SUED OVER THE YEARS, THE AR HAS TRANSITIONED OUT COMMERCIAL AND HIGHER DENSITY RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES. THE ENTIRE AREA HAS A FUTURE LAND USE OF UC-10, ONE OF OUR HIGHEST ALLOWING 10 UNITS PER ACRE, FROM LANDING BOULEVARD ALL THE WAY TO DOCTORS LEAK. THE DRIVE GRAPHIC ON THE RIGHT SHOWS THE PROPOSED ZONING IS CONSISTENT WITH THE OTHER ZONING DISTRICTS THAT ARE ADJACENT TO THIS PROPERTY. YOU CAN SEE THE RED ZONING DISTRICTS AND THE OTHER GREEN. SO, IN CONCLUSION, THE CURRENT ZONING OF AR IS BEING REQUESTED TO CHANGE TO RT -- THANK YOU, SIR. THE LAND USE OF URBAN CORE 10 WILL NOT CHANGE IN THE PROPERTY THAT SURROUNDED BY UC-10 LAND-USE WILL ALLOW 10 UNITS TO THE ACRES TO BE SHARED. THE REQUEST SHOULD BE CONSIDERED AN INFILL DEVELOPMENT. THIS FACT IS THE OTHER PROPERTIES AROUND IT ALSO HAVE UC-10, AS WELL. THE PROJECT IS PROPOSING NINE UNITS TO THE ACRE, WHICH IS UNDER THE MAXIMUM ALLOWED, AND THE PROPOSAL CONTINUES THE COUNTY'S EFFORTS BY PROVIDING A VARIETY OF HOUSING OPTIONS AND A VARIETY OF PRICE POINTS. STAFF ANALYZED THE REQUEST AND IN THIS CASE, THERE IS NO CAC FOR THIS AREA OF THE COUNTY. THE PLANNING COMMISSION HEARD THIS ITEM AT ITS MAY 6TH PUBLIC HEARING, AND THEY RECOMMENDED APPROVAL, 7-0. AND AFTER THE CRITERIA [04:34:59] >> SO, THERE IS NO MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT ON THE ROAD. WE [04:35:05] ALREADY HAVE ENGINEERING DONE, BUT WE ARE NOT OPPOSED ANY DEVELOPMENT. I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE A NEW ACCOUNT TO TAKE CARE OF. BUT WE HAVE ISSUES WITH THE DRAINAGE, THERE WILL BE SPEEDING ISSUES, THERE IS ALREADY FIVE ISSUES OFF OF LANDING BOULEVARD TURNING IN THERE, YOU HAVE U-HAUL, YOU HAVE THE STRIP CENTER OVER THERE, THERE IS THE BELLSOUTH STATION STRIP CENTER, THAT LANDING TRAFFIC RIGHT THERE AND THE ACCIDENTS THAT COME OFF OF IN FRONT OF SAINT GUILES CHURCH IS HORRENDOUS, THERE ARE ACCIDENTS THERE EVERY DAY. MY OFFICE IS WALKING DISTANCE FROM THAT PROPERTY AND THERE ARE ALWAYS TRAFFIC ISSUES. IT IS EASIER FOR ME TO WALK OVER THERE THAN IT IS FOR ME TO GRAB MY CAR AND DRIVE OVER THERE. I AM HERE WITH TWO BOARD MEMBERS THIS EVENING AND WE ARE HERE TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE RESIDENTS. THERE ARE 76 UNITS OVER THERE RIGHT NOW. OF THAT, I MANAGED 48 OF THEM, AND WE JUST WANT TO BE -- NOT GUARANTEED -- BUT SOME KIND OF PLAN OF ACTION. CAN WE SEE SOME KIND OF DESIGN OR LOT? THERE IS A VACANT LOT AT THE VERY FRONT, A LANDING THAT HAS BEEN ZONED FOR BUSINESS. WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THAT COMES IN? IS 12 OAKS DRIVE STILL GOING TO BE A MAIN ROAD THAT THIS BUSINESS WILL USE OR WILL YOU INSTALL ANOTHER ENTRY, AND MAKE IT SIX OF THEM WITHIN FIVE BLOCKS OF ONE ANOTHER? THAT IS WHAT MY CONCERNS ARE. I DON'T KNOW IF MICHAEL OR NANCY HAVE ANY. THE WEIGHT LIMIT ON THAT ROAD, YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE TO GET SOME KIND OF ENGINEERING DONE ON CORE SAMPLES. I WILL TELL YOU RIGHT NOW, THERE IS TREE ROOTS GROWING UP THROUGH THE ASPHALT, SO IT IS NOT GOING TO HAVE ANY KIND OF TRAFFIC LOAD THAT YOU WILL HAVE, ADDING IN ANOTHER 52 UNITS PLUS CONSTRUCTION VEHICLES AND SO FORTH COMING DOWN THROUGH THERE. ROAD WIDENING YOU WILL BE PUTTING IN CURBS AND GUTTERS FOR THE DRAINAGE AND IF YOU HAVE TO MAKE IT A TWO LANE ROAD, YOU WILL TAKE OVER HALF THE PARKING LOT AND HALF THE DRAINAGE SYSTEM FOR MORE THAN THAT, PLUS THE PRIVATE PROPERTY THAT IS OWNED TO THE RIGHT OF THAT. SPEED BUMPS -- I MEAN, WE MAY NEED THAT. ROAD WIDENING, CURBS, GUTTERS, WE ALSO HAVE OUR DUMPSTER LOCATED ON THAT MAIN ROAD. WHAT WILL HAPPEN TO THAT DUMPSTER? ALL OF A SUDDEN, PEOPLE ILLEGALLY DUMPING, TO GO TO THE POINT FROM THE GENTLEMAN EARLIER. >> THANK YOU, MA'AM. >> ALSO MAKE SURE YOU FILL OUT ONE OF -- >> I DIDN'T KNOW, THAT IS MY FIRST TIME ATTENDING ONE OF THESE. >> THAT'S OKAY. WERE YOU SWORN IN EARLIER? >> YEAH, I STOOD UP. >> NO PROBLEM. THEY WILL GET YOU ONE OF THESE CARDS RIGHT HERE, OUR FINE GENTLEMAN IN GREEN. AND THEN, IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK? >> NOT OUR BUSINESS. >> OKAY. OKAY, THAT'S FINE. OKAY. YOU CAN'T -- IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK, YOU HAVE TO COME TO THE MICROPHONE AND TELL US YOUR NAME, OTHERWISE YOU CANNOT YELL OUT FROM THE AUDIENCE. THAT'S OKAY. WE HAVE TO HAVE DECORUM. >> HI, MY NAME IS NANCY ELDER, I LIVE AT 12 OAKS CONDOMINIUMS AND RIGHT NOW, I AM PRESIDENT OF THE BOARD. THERE IS NOT A PROBLEM WITH BUILDING 52 UNITS BACK BEHIND US. THE PROBLEM IS THE ROAD, AND WE HAVE CHILDREN AND PETS, AND WE KNOW THAT ANYBODY THAT IS GOING TO GO BACK BEHIND US, IS GOING TO BE DRIVING FAST. IT IS JUST A HUGE CONCERN. THE ROAD IS A MESS, AND WE HAVE ALREADY STARTED WORRYING ABOUT HOW WE WERE GOING TO BE ABLE TO REPAIR IT. THERE IS NO WAY THAT CONSTRUCTION VEHICLES ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO GO UP AND DOWN THAT ROAD. IT'S JUST IMPOSSIBLE. I KNOW COMMISSIONER RENNINGER, YOU ARE OUR COMMISSIONER, MAYBE YOU COULD TAKE A DRIVE DOWN TO OAKS DRIVE, AND WE CAN MEET YOU AND SHOW YOU WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT? SO -- AND THE WATER COMPANY ALREADY TOLD US THAT THE LOT THAT IS RIGHT IN FRONT OF US, RIGHT ON LANDING BOULEVARD, HE HAS ALREADY TOLD ME THAT WHOEVER DOES BY THAT WILL NOT BE ALLOWED TO GO ONTO THE LANDING, THEIR ENTRANCE IS GOING TO HAVE TO BE 12 OAKS DRIVE, ALSO. AND IT IS GOING TO BE A COMMERCIAL BUSINESS. SO, YOU ARE ADDING ANOTHER PROBABLY 100 CARS TO 12 OAKS DRIVE. IT JUST DOESN'T SEEM SAFE. AND IT IS DEFINITELY NOT FAIR, UNLESS THE PEOPLE BUILDING THE APARTMENT COMPLEX [04:40:01] WANT TO TAKE OVER THAT ROAD, THEY WANT TO REBUILD IT SO THAT IT IS A FULL TWO LANES. OR, MAYBE THE COUNTY WANTS TO TAKE OVER THE ROAD. BUT, SOMEBODY, IF THEY ARE GOING TO ASK ANOTHER 100 CARS TO US AND ALL OF THAT CONSTRUCTION, SOMEONE NEEDS TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THAT ROAD. THANKS. >> THANK YOU. >> OKAY. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK? >> HI, I AM MICHAEL PRATT, I AM ONE OF THE BOARD MEMBERS, AS WELL, AND A CONDO OWNER, AS WELL, AT 12 OAKS. OBVIOUSLY, NANCY AND ROSELLE HAD A LOT TO SAY. MY ONLY OTHER COMMENT WOULD BE ON THAT STRETCH OF ROAD, WHY WOULD WE HAVE ALL OF THAT TRAFFIC JUST COMING OFF OF 12 OAKS? I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THERE WOULDN'T BE ACCESS FOR SOMEBODY TO GO THROUGH MOODY. I UNDERSTAND Y'ALL COULD I GUESS GO THERE FOR EMERGENCY SERVICES, BUT I MEAN, THERE SHOULD BE ANOTHER OUTLET BESIDES 12 OAKS. SO, I MEAN, JUST SOMETHING TO CONSIDER. I MEAN, I CAN'T BELIEVE 12 OAKS WOULD BE THE ONLY WAY FOR, YOU KNOW, 100+ RESIDENTS TO GET IN AND OUT. SO, THAT'S ALL. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. WE APPRECIATE IT. WOULD ANYBODY ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING? ALL RIGHT, SEEING NONE. I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND I WILL BRING IT BACK TO THE BOARD. MY NEXT QUESTION IS, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY EXPERT TAKE COMMUNICATION THAT THEY NEED TO LET US KNOW ABOUT? ALL RIGHT. >> I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH THE AGENT, IT WASN'T YOU, IT WAS MIKE. COMMUNICATION WAS HAD. THIS SUBJECT CAME UP AND I AM STILL CONFUSED. IT IS A PRIVATE ROAD, BUT SOMEHOW, YOU HAVE TO GET ACCESS TO IT? SO, HOW DOES THAT TAKE PLACE? AND IF IT IS GOING TO BE A PROBLEM, WHY DO THEY GET ACCESS TO THE ROAD? >> I HAD THE SAME QUESTION. WHAT IS THE EASEMENT? IF IT IS A PRIVATE ROAD, WHAT IS THE PROPERTY? MR. OXFORD, DO YOU KNOW, IS THERE AN EASEMENT DATED TO THIS PROPERTY, THAT IS THROUGH 12 OAKS? >> TO THE CHAIR -- AGAIN, I DON'T HAVE A DIRECT ANSWER. MY PRODUCT ENGINEER COULD NOT BE WITH US TONIGHT, HE PROBABLY COULD ANSWER THAT QUESTION. UNFORTUNATELY, I CAN'T COUNT ON HIM TO ANSWER THAT, AND I JUST, YOU KNOW, THROUGH SOMETHING AT THE WALL. >> OKAY. THE OTHER INTERESTING THING IS -- WHICH, OF COURSE, IT IS HEARSAY -- TESTIMONY FROM ONE OF THE RESIDENTS. BUT, IF THAT COMMERCIAL PROPERTY WOULD HAVE TO BE ACCESSED NOT OFF OF LANDING, BUT OFF OF 12 OAKS, IT IS NOT NEAR IT, SO THAT WOULD KIND OF GO, I DON'T KNOW -- ANY OTHER EX PARTE COMMUNICATIONS? ANY OTHER -- I THINK I AM AT THE POINT OF ENTERTAINING A MOTION. I WILL MAKE A MOTION THAT, IN MY OPINION, THIS EITHER NEEDS TO BE DENIED OR CONTINUED, BECAUSE I DON'T FEEL LIKE I HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION TO MAKE THE RIGHT DECISION. I MEAN, THE CONDO ASSOCIATION RESIDENTS ARE SAYING THEY DON'T MIND MORE CONDOS THERE, IT IS NOT LIKE IT'S -- I THINK IT'S 52 UNITS, IT'S NOT LIKE IT IS ATROCIOUS, BUT IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT THE EASEMENT, AND WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT THE AGREEMENT FOR WHO OWNS THE ROAD AND MAINTAINS THE ROAD THAT ALL TRAFFIC WOULD USE. AND WHERE THE DUMPSTER GOES, THINGS LIKE THAT. SO, I FEEL LIKE EITHER THE APPLICANT COULD -- THE APPLICANT HAS AN OPTION TO CONTINUE IT, IF THEY WANT TO KEEP IT ALIVE. OTHERWISE, I CAN'T SUPPORT IT BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW THIS PROPERTY HAS THE EASEMENT -- I JUST DON'T HAVE THE INFORMATION. >> WHAT IS FRUSTRATING TO ME, THIS CAME UP AT PNC AND I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE RESOLVED BEFORE TONIGHT. >> AND COMMISSIONER, AS I SHARED, THE DEED FOR THE PROPERTY -- WHICH THE PROJECT IS BEING PROPOSED FOR -- HAS A PERPETUAL NONEXCLUSIVE EASEMENT FOR INGRESS, EGRESS, AND UTILITIES THAT HAS BEEN RECORDED IN THE PUBLIC RECORD. >> WELL, JENNY, DID YOU LOOK AT WHAT BOOK 604 PAGE 19 AND 20 SAY? DID YOU LOOK AT THAT, THOUGH? WHAT IT SAYS? IT SAYS, ACCORDING DO THAT, DID YOU ALSO PULL THAT DOCUMENT? >> I JUST DON'T KNOW THAT WE SHOULD BE GIVING LEGAL ADVICE ON WHAT THE STATUS OF THE EASEMENT IS. >> RIGHT. >> WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH [04:45:02] INFORMATION. >> IS THE APPLICANT WILLING TO ENTERTAIN A CONTINUANCE? >> TO THE CHAIR -- YES, MA'AM. I THINK THAT WOULD BE BEST, UNDER THE CIRCUMSTANCES. WE WILL ARRANGE A MEETING AND CONTACT THE ASSOCIATION. >> ALL RIGHT. >> GREAT. SO, DO YOU WANT TO MOVE TO CONTINUE? >> YES, I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO CONTINUE. >> I WILL SECOND. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO CONTINUE BASED ON WHEN THE APPLICANT WANTS TO. I'M SORRY -- YES, COURTNEY? >> WHAT DATE? >> I WAS JUST ABOUT TO ASK. I WAS TRYING TO GET MY PEN TO WORK. SORRY. YOU WANT TO GIVE THEM LIKE -- DO YOU WANT TO SAY LIKE, JULY? THE FIRST MEETING IN JULY? WE HAVE TWO MEETINGS IN JUNE, AND THEN IF YOU WANT TO COME BACK, WILL THEY HAVE TO GO BACK -- THEY DON'T GO BACK TO PLANNING, SO IT CAN COME BACK -- SO, IF YOU WANTED TO TRY TO GET IT TO, YEAH, EITHER JULY 8TH, OR JUNE 20 SOMETHING -- >> THE 22ND HAS IT. >> YOUR CHOICES WOULD BE JUNE 24TH OR JULY 8TH. >> 24TH OR 28TH? 24TH. >> THROUGH THE CHAIR, IF YOU DON'T MIND, WE WILL ACCEPT JUNE AND IF FOR SOME REASON THAT CAN'T BE RESOLVED, WE WILL COMMUNICATE THROUGH STAFF. >> PERFECT, THANK YOU. SO, DOES YOUR MOTION INCLUDE CONTINUING TO JUNE 24TH? >> MY MOTION INCLUDED JUNE 24TH AS THE RECOMMENDED DATE. >> THANK YOU. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNAL BY SAYING, AYE. >> AYE. [28.  Final Public Hearing to consider ZON 25-0012 (District 1, Comm. Sgromolo) (J.Bryla)] >> ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES, 5-0. THANK YOU, ALL. NUMBER 28, FINAL PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER ZONE 25-0012, IN COMMISSIONER SGROMOLO'S DISTRICT. THIS APPLICATION IS A REZONING TO CHANGE TWO PARCELS FROM COMMERCIAL AND PROFESSIONAL OFFICE DISTRICT BA 2 THAT WE KNOW A LOT ABOUT AND PCD, TO NEIGHBORHOOD BUSINESS DISTRICT BA. SO, MORE INTENSE. >> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONERS, A REZONING OF 25-0012 TO ACCOMMODATE A CONVENIENCE STORE WITH GAS PUMPS. THIS APPLICATION IS LOCATED IN DISTRICT 1 AND AS THE CHAIR STATED, THE PROJECT CONSISTS OF TWO PARCELS TOTALING 2.61 ACRES TOGETHER, AND THE REQUEST IS TO CHANGE THE EXISTING ZONING OF BA TO TO ACCOMMODATE THE CONVENIENCE STORE WITH GAS PUMPS. ON THE AERIAL, YOU CAN SEE THE PARCELS ARE LOCATED AT THE INTERSECTION OF COLLEGE DRIVE AND COUNTY ROAD 220, WITH EXTENSIVE DEVELOPMENT SURROUNDING THE PROPERTY. THE GRAPHIC ON THE RIGHT ILLUSTRATES THE PARCELS THAT MAKE UP THE PROPERTY, SO YOU CAN SEE IT IS ON THE CORNER THERE, AND SPLIT ZONING BETWEEN THE TWO. THE CURRENT ZONING, AS MENTIONED, THE PARTIAL FURTHEST TO THE WEST IS AN OFFICE CATEGORY, TYPICALLY. THE PARCEL TO THE EAST IS CURRENTLY ZONED PCD, PLANNED COMMERCIAL, TO ALLOW FOR COMMERCIAL ICE CREAM ON THE PROPERTY. THE GRAPHIC ON THE RIGHT SHOWS TWO PARCELS, IF THEY WERE REZONING TO BA. SO, THE BA ZONING IS A CONSISTENT NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL ZONING THAT ALLOWS FOR THE GAS PUMPS, WHICH BA-2 DOES NOT. THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE TWO LOTS WOULD CREATE A UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT PLAN WITH CONSISTENT ZONING AND LAND-USE ACROSS THE LOT. SO, THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT WOULD -- AS I SHARED -- CREATE A UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT PLAN, CLAY UTILITIES WOULD PROVIDE WATER AND SEWER TO THE LOCATION, THE FUTURE LAND USE OF COMMERCIAL WOULD NOT CHANGE, AND THE PROPOSED USE WOULD PROVIDE ADDITIONAL SERVICES AT A PIVOTAL INTERSECTION. AGAIN, THERE IS NO CITIZENS ADVISORY COMMITTEE FOR THIS TOP AREA OF THE COUNTY. THIS WAS HEARD AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION AT THEIR MAY 6TH PUBLIC HEARING, AND PROVIDED A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL 7-0 AND AFTER REVIEW OF THE CRITERIA FOR THE ZONING DISTRICT'S, STAFF DETERMINED THAT IT IS CONSISTENT WITH A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WITH THE DEVELOPMENT CODE AND THEREFORE RECOMMENDS APPROVAL. AND I AM HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND WE HAVE THE [04:50:07] APPLICANTS HERE. >> OKAY, QUESTIONS FOR JENNY? >> I HAVE ONE. SO, I DROVE BY THERE TODAY, AND BETWEEN WHAT USED TO BE THE MEXICAN GROCERY AND THE HOME, THERE IS A LOT OF TREES. SO, MY QUESTION FOR YOU IS, ON THE COMMERCIAL PROPERTY, HOW DOES THE -- HOW DO THEY REMEDY CUTTING DOWN ALL THESE TREES TO BUILD THIS? >> THEY WOULD NEED TO MEET THE LANDSCAPE CODE FOR THE COUNTY, SO THEY WOULD HAVE TO PUT IN THE APPROPRIATE NUMBER OF POINTS, AND BUFFER BETWEEN ADJACENT USES. >> SO, THEY HAVE TO PLANT TREES? THE CAN'T BUY CREDITS OR ANYTHING? >> THEY DON'T HAVE THAT ABILITY RIGHT NOW. >> OKAY. I WASN'T SURE I WANT TO. OKAY. >> AND WE -- AS THEY COME IN FOR A SITE PLAN, WE ENCOURAGE THEM TO PLAN AROUND THE TREES, IF THERE ARE SPECIFIC SPECIMENS TO SAVE THE TREES. BUT, IN PAVING A WHOLE SITE, IT DOESN'T SAVE THE TREE. >> OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR JENNY? >> OKAY, THE APPLICANT, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO COME UP? >> I WAS WONDERING WHAT YOU STUCK AROUND, THANK YOU FOR DOING THAT. >> THANKS. GOOD EVENING. I AM FRANK MILLER. MY ADDRESS IS 1 INDEPENDENT DRIVE SUITE 300 IN JACKSONVILLE. THIS IS PRICES STORE. I HEARD A LOT ABOUT THE HISTORY OF PRICES AND STORE AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION. APPARENTLY, IT WAS ONE OF THE FEW STORES IN THAT AREA FOR YEARS. AND WHAT IS GOING TO BE DONE HERE IS THE TWO PARCELS ARE GOING TO BE COMBINED, EVERYTHING THAT IS ON THAT CORNER, THE TATTOO PARLOR, THE PRICES STORE, WILL BE KNOCKED DOWN AND A NEW CONVENIENCE STORY, LIKELY TO MY UNDERSTANDING, COULD BE A 711. THERE WILL BE A RIDE IN, RIDE OUT OFF OF COLLEGE DRIVE COMING SOUTH, SO YOU COULD NOT TURN NORTH COMING OUT OF IT, AND THE DEVELOPMENT WOULD HAVE A RIDE IN AND RIDE OUT ON COUNTY ROAD 220, BECAUSE AGAIN, YOU COULDN'T LEAVE AND IN TURN GO EAST. THE CURRENT PLAN CONTEMPLATES ABOUT 30% OF THE PROPERTY IS AN OPEN SPACE, WHICH WOULD BUFFER ON THE NORTH SIDE, AND ON THE WEST SIDE, I'M NOT SURE THERE ARE THAT MANY TREES ALONG THE BOUNDARY BETWEEN THE WESTERN PARCEL AND THE NEXT PARCEL. I HAVE DRIVEN BY IT, I DON'T THINK THERE IS MUCH THERE, BUT THEY WILL CERTAINLY COMPLY WITH THE ZONING AND LANDSCAPING CODES. THE CONCEPT RIGHT NOW, AS I UNDERSTAND IT -- AND OF COURSE, IF THIS REZONING IS APPROVED, BEFORE ANYTHING CAN BE CONSTRUCTED, IT HAS TO GO THROUGH DRC, IT HAS TO GO TO PLANNING TO REVIEW THE SITE PLAN, BUT RIGHT NOW, THE CONCEPT WOULD BE THAT THERE WOULD BE A CONVENIENCE STORE OF ABOUT 4900 SQUARE FEET -- SEVEN DOUBLE PUMPS. SO, THERE WOULD BE 14 PLACES TO GET GAS. PRESENTLY, NO DRIVE-THROUGH -- >> CAR WASH? >> CAR WASH. AND AS I SAID, THERE WILL BE OPEN SPACE ON THE NORTH END OF THE PROPERTY. I THINK IT IS A GOOD KIND OF RENOVATION OF THE SITE, AND I THINK OF COURSE, ACROSS COLLEGE DRIVE FROM THE SITE IS -- I THINK IT IS A MOBIL GAS STATION, AND IT IS BASICALLY A COMMERCIAL NODE AND THIS IS JUST IMPROVING IT. I WOULD BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. >> THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? THANK YOU, MR. MILLER. ALL RIGHT. I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. IS THERE ANYONE WHO IS HERE TO SPEAK ON THIS? I DO NOT HAVE ANY CARDS ON THE PUBLIC HEARING, BRING IT - BACK TO THE BOARD. IS THERE ANYONE WHO HAS HAD ANY X PARTAKE COMMUNICATION ON THIS? I DID HAVE COMMUNICATION WITH FORMER COMMISSIONER CELLO, HE ACTUALLY JUST ASKED ME WHAT WAS BEING PROPOSED, SO -- >> MR. MILLER CONTACTED ME, WE HAD A PHONE CALL REGARDING THE REZONING AND I HAVE HAD NO COMMUNICATION, SINCE. >> ANY OTHER X PARTAKE COMMUNICATION? ALL RIGHT. I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. >> I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO [04:55:05] APPROVE THE REZONING. >> SECOND. >> MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? >> I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT THIS CORRIDOR, MY DISTRICT, IS THE SECOND BUSIEST CORRIDOR. IT IS A PLACE WHERE YOU WOULD NEED SUCH A FACILITY AND I AM ALWAYS IN FAVOR OF COMPETITION. I THINK COMPETITION LOWERS PRICES. ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO GAS. SO, I THINK THIS WILL BE AN UPLIFT FOR THIS AREA. [29.  Final Public Hearing to consider adoption of COMP 25-0008. (S. Olsen)] >> OKAY. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, INDICATE BY SAYING, AYE. >> AYE. >> THOSE OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES, 5-0. ITEM NUMBER 29, FINAL PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER ADOPTION OF COM P 25-0008, THIS IS A PROPOSED TEXT AMENDMENT TO THE 2045 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THE APPLICATION WOULD MAKE CHANGES TO THE CIE POLICY, CFD POLICY, AND CFD POLICY, WITH RESPECT TO THE CLAY COUNTY WATER SUPPLY FACILITIES WORKPLAN. >> HELLO. HERE'S TO PRESENT COMP PLAN 25-0008 -- SO, THIS IS A COUNTY INITIATED APPLICATION TO AMEND THEIR LEVEL OF SERVICE STANDARDS FOR SANITARY SEWER, SOLID WASTE, POTABLE WATER, AND DRAINAGE FACILITIES. AT THE EXACT SAME NUMBERS ARE REFERENCED IN BOTH CFU 1.1.1 AND CIE 1.3.1. THEY ARE EXACTLY THE SAME. AND THE UPDATED 2025 THROUGH 2035 CLAY COUNTY PUBLIC WATER FACILITIES WORKPLAN IS REFERENCED IN CFU 1.1 .13. THIS IS THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT AND THE CHANGES PROVIDED. THE AVERAGE FLOW CHANGED HER 311 GALLONS PER DAY, AND THE MINIMUM DESIGN FOR POTABLE WATER CHANGED TO 450 GALLONS PER DAY. SO, SAME EXACT CHANGES FOR THIS ONE. AND THEN THE CFD POLICY 1.1 .13, THE ONLY CHANGE IS THE YEAR FOR THE WORK PLAN HAS BEEN UPDATED. SO, WHEN IT WAS FIRST TRANSMITTED TO THE STATE, THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF COMMERCE OFFEREDA TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE OF COORDINATING WITH THE ST. JOHN'S WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT. ONCE WE GOT WITH THE DISTRICT AND IMPLEMENTED THOSE CHANGES, THEN THEY NEVER HAD ANY MORE COMMENTS. AND THE DISTRICT IS OKAY, AS WELL. THEY DID NOT HAVE ANY COMMENTS. SO, STAFF RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF COMP 25-0008. >> OKAY, ANY QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT. SEEING NONE, I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. IS THERE ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? SEEING NONE, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, AND I WILL BRING IT BACK TO THE BOARD. IS THERE ANYONE -- I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. >> I WILL MOVE APPROVAL. >> I WILL SECOND. >> OKAY, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? [30.  Final Public Hearing to consider adoption of COMP 25-0007. (B. Carson)] ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING, AYE. >> AYE. >> ALL THOSE OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES, 5-0. THANK YOU. ITEM NUMBER 30 IS THE FINAL PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER ADOPTION OF COMP 25-0007. TEXT AMENDMENT TO FL YOU POLICY 1.9 .16 TO REMOVE WHEN CLASSIFICATION SPECIFIC LANGUAGE. >> GOOD EVENING. THIS WAS A COUNTY INITIATED APPLICATION TO AMEND THE HEIRS EXEMPTION STANDARDS TO REDUCE TO 1.9.6. THIS APPLICATION WAS PROMPTED BY CITIZENS, AND BECAUSE THEY COULD NOT DO AN EXEMPTION IN THE MASTER PLAN AND THERE IS A ZONING APPLICATION WHICH WE WILL FOLLOW THIS UP WITH. SO WHAT WE ARE AMENDING IN ONE .9 .6 IS TAKING OUT VERY SPECIFIC LANGUAGE THAT IS ACTUALLY IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND GENERALIZING THIS POLICY SO IT WOULD APPLY COUNTYWIDE, NOT JUST TO THE DISTRICTS OUTSIDE THE MASTER PLANS. THIS WAS TRANSMITTED, WE WOULD BRING THIS TO YOU IN APRIL, IF THERE WERE NO OBJECTIONS BY AGENCIES, BUT THE DEPARTMENT OF COMMERCE OFFERED A TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE SUGGESTION OF INCLUDING THE CHARACTER THE COUNTY IS TRYING TO PLAN FOR IN THE POLICY PROPOSED AMENDMENT. NO OTHER AGENCIES HAD COMMENTS. AND SO, THAT IS KIND OF COUNTER TO WHAT [05:00:03] WE WERE TRYING TO DO, WHICH WAS TO GENERALIZE THE POLICY, WHICH IS YOUR COMP PLAN POLICIES TEND TO BE MORE GENERAL AND SPECIFIC IN YOUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. SO, THE INTENT IS TO OFFER AN OPPORTUNITY FOR MULTIGENERATIONA PROXIMITY. STAFF BELIEVE THE - LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE IS APPROPRIATE FOR THOSE POLICIES, AND WITH THAT STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF COMP 25-0007. >> OKAY, ANY QUESTIONS FOR BETSY ON THIS? SEEING NONE, I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. IS THERE ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? I HAVE NO CARDS ON IT. >> HOLD ON. >> YOU ARE WAY IN HERE. HELENA, YOU WANTED TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? >> 31? >> NO, WE ARE AT 30. BUT, THEY ARE CONNECTED. IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK, COME ON. I GOT TO FIND YOUR CARD. >> I THOUGHT IT WAS 31. I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU AGAIN FOR THIS ONE. WE HAVE PEOPLE OUT THERE IN LAKE ASBURY, AND BEING ABLE TO HAVE THIS MASTER PLAN MATCH UP WITH THE REST OF OUR COUNTY IS VERY IMPERATIVE AND I HAVE JUST HAD ANOTHER PERSON WHO TOLD ME TODAY, RECENTLY, THAT THEY HAVE PROPERTY OFF OF THUNDER ROAD AND THEIR FAMILY AND THEY WOULD EVENTUALLY LOVE TO BE ABLE TO DO THIS, TOO. SO, THANK YOU AGAIN FOR YOUR SUPPORT. >> THANK YOU, HELENA. WOULD ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? ALL RIGHT, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND I WILL BRING IT BACK TO THE BOARD FOR A MOTION. >> MOVE APPROVAL OF COMP PLAN CHANGE 25 0007. >> SECOND. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A [31.  Final Public Hearing to consider ZON 25-0003. (B. Carson)] SECOND, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING, AYE. >> AYE. >> THOSE OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES, 5-0. NOW, WE GO TO THE ASSOCIATED ZONING CHANGE FINAL PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER ZONE 25-0003. >> AND THIS IS ALSO A COUNTY INITIATED APPLICATION, THIS IS THE COMPANION TO THE COMP PLAN WHICH INCLUDES SPECIFIC DISTRICTS FOR BRANDON FIELD AND LAKE ASBURY. AGAIN, PROMPTED BY CITIZEN REQUEST. THE STAFF REPORT INCLUDES THE SPECIFIC CHANGES THAT WE ARE PROPOSING IN STRIKETHROUGH AND UNDERLINE FORMAT AND WHAT IT WOULD DO IS ALLOW FOR THOSE EXEMPTIONS IN THE SUBURBS, LAKE ASBURY RURAL COMMUNITY, RURAL RESERVE, AND LAKE ASBURY MASTER-PLANNED COMMUNITY. AND THE MAXIMUM LOT SIZES WERE ELIMINATED BASED ON THE COMMENTS BY THE L.A. LAKE ASBURY CAC BECAUSE I THOUGHT IF YOU HAVEN'T HAVE 10 ACRES WHY HAVE A MAXIMUM LOT SIZE? WHICH WE AGREED WITH THAT AND TOOK THOSE OUT. IT ALSO WILL ADD CLARIFYING LANGUAGE REGARDING THE DEED AND LEGAL DESCRIPTION FOR THE TRANSFERS PARCEL, BECAUSE WE WANT TO SEE SPECIFICALLY WHAT IS LEFT OVER WHEN YOU CUT OUT THE PARCEL. AND WE WILL REMOVE AND CORRECT SOME BASIC GRAMMATICAL ERRORS THAT WERE IN IT. AND AS I SAID, THE LAKE ASBURY CAC, THEY VOTED 6-0 TO RECOMMEND IN FAVOR WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THEY HAD THE RECOMMENDATION TO TAKE OUT THE MAXIMUM LOT SIZE, AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION VOTED 6-0 TO RECOMMEND IN FAVOR AT THEIR APRIL MEETING AND WITH THAT, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ZONE 25-0003. >> ALL RIGHT, QUESTIONS FOR BETH? ALL RIGHT, SEEING NONE, I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. ELANA, DID YOU WANT TO COME UP? I FOUND YOUR CARD. OKAY, I WILL PUT THAT YOU DID NOT SPEAK ON 31. OKAY, WOULD ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK ON ITEM 31? ALL RIGHT, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND I WILL BRING IT BACK TO THE BOARD. AND I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION -- OH, WAS THERE ANY X PARTAKE COMMUNICATION, WHICH I GUESS WOULD HAVE BEEN WITH STAFF? I DON'T KNOW, THAT'S NOT REALLY EX PARTE. SO, ANYWAY, I GUESS I HAVE TO ASK IT, RIGHT? >> YOU MIGHT HAVE HAD THE DISTANCE REACH OUT TO YOU TO TALK ABOUT THIS POLICY. >> YEAH, I HAVEN'T HAD ANY. >> DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY X PARTAKE COMMUNICATION ON THIS ITEM? 31, THE FINAL PUBLIC HEARING, TO CONSIDER ZONING 25-0003. >> I HAVE A MOTION, DO WE HAVE A [17.  Discussion on the Flashing Beacon Speed Indicators (R. Smith)] SECOND? >> SECOND. >> MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR INDICATE BY SAYING, AYE. >> AYE. >> ALL THOSE OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES, 5-0. NOW, WE ARE ALL THE WAY BACK TO ITEM NUMBER 17, DISCUSSION OF THE FLASHING BEACON SPEED INDICATORS. RICHARD SMITH? >> RICHARD SMITH, COUNTY ENGINEER. THIS TOPIC, OR THIS ITEM, IS A BRIEF DESCRIPTION OF SOME EQUIPMENT WE HAVE ORDERED [05:05:03] TO TRY TO BE ANOTHER TRAFFIC CALMING DEVICE IN CLAY COUNTY. BASICALLY WE WILL GET TO SPEAK CHECK 15, WHICH IS THE ONE ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE OF YOUR SCREEN. WE DON'T KNOW IF WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO FLASH SOME BEACONS ON IT OR NOT, BUT IT WILL SHOW YOUR SPEED. AND I HAVE SENT MEMOS TO EACH OF THE COMMISSIONERS -- THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR EACH OF YOUR RESPONSES -- WE GOT 18 OF THESE, WHICH SHOULD BE IN OUR POSSESSION IN THE NEXT THREE WEEKS. IT WILL TAKE US ABOUT MAYBE TWO DAYS IN THE OFFICE OR TWO DAYS IN THE SHOP TO GET US PREPARE. WE PUT THE SPEED LIMIT SIGN OUT AND WE BEGIN INSTALLATION. THE INSTALLATION, AS YOU EACH REQUESTED, IF THEY ARE OKAY, I HAVE AN OKAY FROM COMMISSIONER SGROMOLO AND COMMISSIONER RENNINGER, SO LET ME KNOW IF THAT WILL BE OKAY. THERE WILL BE ONLY EIGHT ADDITIONAL ONES THAT WE WILL GET OR THAT WE WILL HAVE AVAILABLE. AND UPON APPROVAL, WE COULD HAVE UP TO 15 MORE WITH THE NEXT YEARS BUDGET, WHICH MEANS BEFORE THE END OF THE CALENDAR YEAR, WE COULD HAVE ANOTHER UP TO 23 THAT WE COULD GO AND PUT IN PLACES. I AM GOING TO GO AND MEET WITH DIRECTOR MCKINNEY IN THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE TO TALK ABOUT WHERE THEY RECOMMEND TO COME BACK INDIVIDUALLY. I HAVE GOTTEN THREE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM DISTRICT 1, THREE FROM DISTRICT 3. SO, WE WILL POPULATE THE COUNTY WITH THESE. ANY QUESTIONS? >> AND RICHARD, DID THEY RECORD ANY OF THE -- THEY DON'T HAVE A CAMERA IN THEM? >> THEY COME WITH A THREE YEAR SUBSCRIPTION THAT WILL ALLOW US -- AS FAR AS VIDEO? NO. BUT, THEY WILL BE ABLE TO TELL US THE NUMBER OF VEHICLES, THE SPEED THEY TRAVEL AT. I AM NOT SURE IF WE HAVE CURRENT DEVICES THAT ARE MOBILE THAT WILL TELL US WHETHER IT WAS A FOUR WHEEL VEHICLE, OR SIX WHEEL VEHICLE, OR SCHOOLBUS, OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. BUT, THAT IS A THREE YEAR SUBSCRIPTION, AFTER THAT, THE SOFTWARE COSTS $79 TO UPDATE ANNUALLY. THAT WOULD BE OUR OPTION. SO -- >> COMMISSIONER BURKE? >> IS IT ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ROAD OR JUST ONE DIRECTION? >> IT WOULD BE PARTICULAR CASES. IN COMMISSIONER COMPERE'S DISTRICT, WE HAVE ONE NORTHBOUND ON 315 C COMING FROM THE PUTNAM COUNTY LINE. VERY EXCESSIVE SPEEDING THERE BY SOME OF THE GRAVEL TRUCKS IN THE SAND PITS DOWN THERE, WITH THE ROAD PROJECTS IN THE COUNTY AND OTHER RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL BUILDING PROJECTS. EAGLE HARBOR PARKWAY, FOR INSTANCE, WE WILL HAVE TWO DIRECTIONS, THERE. WE HAVE DONE A SPEED STUDY THERE. OVER SEVEN DRIVERS IN A SEVEN-DAY PERIOD GOING 75 MILES PER HOUR PLUS ON A 30 MILE POSTED SPEED LIMIT. WE PICKED PLACES EASTBOUND OF 17, WESTBOUND AWAY FROM 17. >> COMMISSIONER, MARINERS ROAD, THOUGH, IS WHAT I AM ASKING. >> WHAT WAS THAT? MARINERS ROAD? >> WHERE THE CURVE IS. >> THAT IS A GOOD ONE, THAT COULD BE ONE WHERE WE GO BOTH WAYS. WE KNOW WE WANT ONE NORTHBOUND, KIND OF IN FRONT OF OAK STREET IN THAT AREA, AS YOU COME OUT OF THE 35 INTO THE 45 ZONE. THE AIR COMING OUT OF THE 35, GOING 60 OR 70. >> YEAH, BUT THAT CURVE, WE HAVE HAD DEATHS THERE. >> YES, ON MY SUGGESTION TO YOU, I HAD ONE THERE, IF WE WANT TO PUT ANOTHER ONE THERE -- AND IT MAY NOT BE A BAD IDEA BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO PUT ONE ON RUSSELL ROAD UNTIL WE GET THE CONSTRUCTION COMPLETED. >> ON THAT END, YOU DON'T HAVE CONSTRUCTION. >> THAT'S WHAT I MEAN, THAT COULD BE A GOOD PLACE TO PUT THEM IN BOTH DIRECTIONS. >> YES, BEFORE THE CURVE AND AFTER THE CURVE. >> YES, MA'AM. >> THANK YOU. >> AND RICHARD, JUST BECAUSE YOU BROUGHT UP TO SPEED ON EAGLE HARBOR PARKWAY, SO THERE IS A NEW LAW THAT PASSED IN FLORIDA THAT GOES INTO EFFECT JULY 1ST, AND IT SAYS THE LAW MAKES IT VERY CLEAR, WHAT IS CONSIDERED UNSAFE DRIVING. ANYONE WHO GETS CAUGHT TRAVELING 50 MILES PER HOUR OVER THE SPEED LIMIT -- SO, THAT WOULD BE THOSE PEOPLE -- DRIVING 100 MILES PER HOUR OR MORE WHEN DRIVING OR PASSING LANES ARE GOING 35 MILES PER HOUR OVER THE SPEED LIMIT ON ROADS THAT ARE NOT HIGHWAYS, AND THEN I DIDN'T TAKE A SCREENSHOT OF WHAT THE FINES ARE, BUT THEY ARE STEEP, AND YOU CAN BE FINED STEEPLY, AND GO STRAIGHT TO JAIL. SO, THAT LAW CHANGES JULY 1ST. SO, I AM THINKING THAT KIND OF THEY GO HAND IN HAND, YOU KNOW? IF THESE SPEED DEVICES, MAY BE PEOPLE WORSE SLOWING DOWN [05:10:01] BECAUSE OTHERWISE THEY WILL PAY IN THEIR WALLETS. >> IF YOU WANT TO KNOW WHERE ONE IS AT, THERE IS ONE ON HOLLY POINT ROAD, WHICH IS KIND OF A CUT THROUGH FROM U.S. 17 NORTHBOUND TO KINGSLEY AVENUE. THAT IS ONE. WE ARE GOING INTO A PROGRAM AS WE GET MORE INVENTORY TO ADD THIS PART OF OUR TRAFFIC CALMING DEVICES FOR THE NEIGHBORHOODS, IF THE H AWAY AND THE CDD WANT TO PURCHASE THESE AND PLACED THEM ON NEIGHBORHOOD STREETS, THAT WILL COME WITH A ONE TIME FEE. WE ARE DETERMINING WHAT THAT IS, BECAUSE IT WILL INCLUDE MAINTENANCE PERPETUALLY AND AT LEAST ONE CHANGE OF BATTERIES, SO THAT WILL BE AVAILABLE PROBABLY BY THE END OF THE CALENDARYEAR. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? >> RICHARD, JUST THANK YOU. >> COMMISSIONER COMPERE? >> YEAH. >> YES, MA'AM? >> THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. WHEN WE CAUGHT UP ABOUT THIS, RICHARD, THERE WAS DISCUSSION ABOUT LONG BAY, SO I WANTED TO BRING THAT TO YOUR ATTENTION BECAUSE I REMEMBER SAYING, I WOULD NOT SPEAK FOR YOU, BECAUSE WE JUST ADDED THAT SPEED LIMIT SIGN, JUST SOUTH OF THE TIMES BOULEVARD LIGHT. BUT, A LOT OF THE CONCERNS WERE BEYOND THAT LIGHT, BECAUSE OF HOW LONG THAT STRETCH IS, AND I KNOW THERE IS A LIGHT COMING, SO MAYBE IT IS UNNECESSARY AT THIS POINT, BUT SOMETHING TO BE LOOKING AT. AND THEN, THE OTHER ONE, AFTER WE SPOKE, THAT MADE SENSE TO ME, WOULD HAVE BEEN OAKLEAF VILLAGE PARKWAY. >> OH, YEAH. >> WELL, IT'S NOT ON THE LIST. >> I AM PLEASED . I NEED MORE. OAKLEAF VILLAGE JUST GOT RESURFACED, I AM SURE THEY ARE TESTING IT. >> THANK YOU, BY THE WAY. AND YES, THEY ARE TESTING IT. ASK ME ABOUT THE PHONE CALLS I AM GETTING. SO, YES, SO, THANK YOU. I SAW THAT YOU DID ADD C.A.P. FRANCIS, AT MY REQUEST. THANK YOU. OAKLEAF PLANTATION PARKWAY, WE DISCUSSED WHY. BUT, OAKLEAF VILLAGE PARKWAY COULD USE SOME ATTENTION. >> IT COULD. THAT IS ANOTHER ONE, WITH EIGHT AVAILABLE, AS WE GET A COUPLE IN THIS DISTRICT, THAT WOULD DEFINITELY BE ONE THAT WE WOULD WANT TO GO AHEAD AND, YOU KNOW, CONFIRM WITH THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE AND I THINK THAT IS A GREAT PLACE TO PUT IT. THAT MIGHT BE ONE THAT IS COMING IN DOWN FROM DUVAL COUNTY IN. BUT, WE WILL LOOK AND SEE. I AM SURE THAT ROAD IS A VERY FAST ROAD, WOODHEAD POTHOLES, NOW YOU CAN ONLY IMAGINE. SO -- BUT, KEEP -- I DO NEED A A FEW MORE SUGGESTIONS FROM TWO, FOUR, AND FIVE, PLEASE. THANK YOU, ALL. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR [18.  Median Break for Russell Baptist Church (E. Dendor)] DISCUSSIONS WITH RICHARD THERE? OKAY, WE WILL MOVE TO ITEM 18, MEDIAN BREAK FOR RUSSELL BAPTIST CHURCH. THIS IS LIKE OUR OLD BUSINESS. >> GOOD EVENING TO THE BOARD, TO THE CHAIR, AND TO THE TRANSPORTATION BOARD ADMINISTRATOR. IN JANUARY, AT A BOARD MEETING, OUR BTP TEAM WAS REQUESTED TO LOOK AT ADDITIONAL MEETING BREAKS. SO, THIS EVENING, WE ARE BRINGING BACK TO YOU THOSE OPTIONS. THE PRIMARY TEAM MEMBERS THAT WERE ON THE TEAM LOOKING AT IT WERE MYSELF, CARLOS CAMPUS WITH THE OWNER'S REP, RICHARD SMITH, THE COUNTY ENGINEER, THE COUNTY AUDITOR, AS WELL AS BOBBY JAMISON, THE ROADWAY ENGINEER FOR THIS SECTION. THE TEAM HEARD THE BOARD AND RUSSELL BAPTIST CHURCH LOUD AND CLEAR THAT RUSSELL BAPTIST CHURCH WANTED TO SEE MEDIUM BREAKS ON SAND RIDGE ROAD. THE QUESTION IS, CAN THESE BREAKS BE GRANTED FOR CURRENT AND FUTURE STATE ROAD TRAFFIC, AS WELL AS RUSSELL BAPTIST CHURCH TRAFFIC MOVING ON AND OFF THE PROPERTY? WE GOT -- OH, OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. KIND OF A LAY OF THE LAND TO GET EVERYBODY FAMILIAR WITH WE ARE AT, IF YOU LOOK AT THE SLIDE IN FRONT OF YOU, THE ROAD THAT RUNS LEFT TO RIGHT IS ACTUALLY SAND RIDGE ROAD, PRETTY MUCH RUNS FROM EAST TO WEST AND THE ROAD THAT RUNS NORTH AND SOUTH IS THE ENTRANCE TO CROSS CREEK, THE ENTRANCE TO THEIR PROPERTY AND RUSSELL BAPTIST CHURCH IS HIGHLIGHTED IN THE GREENISH BLUE AREA. SOME BACKGROUND FOR EVERYBODY, ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF OR SO AGO, THE COUNTY MET WITH RUSSELL BAPTIST CHURCH, CONTINGENT THERE, AND WE WERE LOOKING AT AND HAD DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THE WORK THAT WILL BE PARTAKING AT THAT TIME ON SANDERS ROAD, WHICH HAD A GRASS MEDIAN IN FRONT OF THEIR PROPERTY. THE REASON WE MET WITH THEM, THE COUNTY REQUIRED ROUGHLY 4300 SQUARE FEET OF THEIR PROPERTY THAT IS ADJACENT TO NORWALK CREEK THERE, ON THE BOTTOM LEFT-HAND SIDE. AND THROUGH THOSE DISCUSSIONS, [05:15:02] AGAIN, THIS AREA THAT WE NEEDED FOR THE ROAD EXPANSION, THERE ARE ON THE BOTTOM LEFT. THEY WERE ACTUALLY LOOKING FOR MEDIUM BREAKS OFF OF SAND RIDGE ROAD IN FRONT OF THEIR PROPERTY, THEREFORE YOU WILL NOTICE THERE IS TWO PARKING LOTS, ONE TO THE LEFT BY THE SANCTUARY AND ONE TO THE RIGHT, ALSO TO THE EAST, THERE. AND SAFETY IS PARAMOUNT, OF COURSE, FOR TRAFFIC MOVEMENT IN AND OFF THE PROPERTY AS WELL AS UP AND DOWN SAND RIDGE ROAD, AS THESE ROADWAYS ARE BEING APPROVED. SO, THE ENGINEERS AND THE TEAM TOOK A LOOK AND A CONSIDERATION AT THE BAPTIST REQUEST, ALSO FOR CONSIDERATION, WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO MAKE THE OPERATIONAL IMPROVEMENTS ON, SAND RIDGE ROAD. IF YOU COULD DO ONE MORE SLIDE? SO, ROUGHLY THE FIRST WEEK OF MAY, THE COUNTY AND RUSSELL BAPTIST CHURCH ENTERED INTO A MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING, M.O. YOU, AND THERE WAS A WARRANTY DATE ISSUED ON MAY 2ND OF LAST YEAR, BASICALLY CONSIGNING THE AGREEMENT THAT WE HAD WHICH WAS, WE WOULD GO AHEAD AND DESIGN AND CONSTRUCT THE WESTERN ENTRANCE TO THE WESTERN ENTRANCE, IF YOU WOULD, IN CONSIDERATION FOR THE PROPERTY THAT WE NEEDED, THAT LOWER LEFT-HAND SIDE OF THE GREEN BOX, SO BASICALLY TREATING THE PROPERTY FOR THAT MEDIUM BRIGHT THEY WERE LOOKING FOR TO THE WEST. SO, AGAIN, IN WAY OF BACKGROUND, THIS WAS THE SAFEST SOLUTION FOR BOTH THE ROADWAY IMPROVEMENTS THAT NEEDED TO OCCUR ON SAND RIDGE ROAD, AS WELL AS FOR RUSSELL BAPTIST CHURCH. DURING THE FIELD DISCUSSIONS WE HAD WITH RUSSELL BAPTIST CHURCH CONTINGENT, WE HAD MET AND DISCUSSED THE M.O. YOU ACTUALLY LEADING UP TO THE M.O. YOU. IF YOU COULD, I HAVE ONE MORE SLIDE. IT WAS MENTIONED EARLIER BY PASTOR WEEKS DURING THOSE FIELD DISCUSSIONS. THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION AT THAT TIME THAT THE CHURCH WAS GOING TO CONNECT THE TWO PARKING LOTS, THE WEST PARKING LOT WITH THE EAST PARKING LOT. THAT WOULD ALLOW THAT MOVEMENT OF TRAFFIC OUT OF THE WESTERN PARKING LOT AND THE AREA BETWEEN THOSE TWO LOTS IS THE SEPTIC TANK, SEPTIC FIELD AREA THAT THEY ARE NOT USING ANYMORE, THEY ARE NOT CONNECTED, SO AGAIN THESE ARE JUST FIELD DISCUSSIONS THAT WE HAD, AND ALSO, THERE IS A SECTION ACTUALLY -- IN 2021, THERE WAS A CLAIM FROM CROSS CREEK THE BAPTIST CHURCH ON THE RIGHT SIDE THERE, WHICH CONNECTS THE ENTRANCE ROAD WITH CROSS CREEK TO THE BACKSIDE OF THE RUSSELL BAPTIST CHURCH PROPERTY. AND THERE IS A COUPLE PICTURES THERE, THESE WERE JUST TAKEN A COUPLE WEEKS AGO. YOU WERE LOOKING AT NORTHWEST AT THE EXISTING BREAKING CROSS CREEK AND THEN THERE WAS ACTUALLY A BIT OF A GATED AREA OVER ON THE RIGHT-HAND SIDE THAT SHOWS THE ENTRANCE INTO THE BACKSIDE OF RUSSELL BAPTIST CHURCH. SO, THE IS THE EXTENSION, IF YOU WOULD, OF THE BACKGROUND TO GET EVERYBODY UP TO SPEED WITH WHERE WE ARE AT. SO, I WOULD LIKE TO PASS IT OVER TO THE PROJECT MANAGER FOR THIS PROJECT, THAT LOOKS AT AND DISCUSSES THE METRICS AND THE OPTIONS THAT WE HAVE CONSIDERED. >> THANK YOU, ED. THE THREE OPTIONS THAT WE INVESTIGATED ARE HERE LISTED ON THIS TABLE. OPTION ONE WAS TO KEEP THE CURRENT DESIGN, FOR REVISION TWO. THIS OPTION PROVIDES THE WESTERNMOST DRIVEWAY TURN LANE. THIS OPTION IS THE SAFEST OPTION OF THE THREE, AND IT WOULD NOT REQUIRE ANY CHANGE AT THE MOMENT. OPTION TWO EXTENDS THE LEFT TURN LANE AND ADDS AN ADDITIONAL BRAKE AT THE EASTERNMOST DRIVEWAY. THIS OPTION WOULD VIOLATE FDOT'S CRITERIA FOR A SAFE MEDIAN OPENING, DUE TO ITS LOCATION TO THE CROSS CREEK ENTRANCE. FURTHER, IT WILL CAUSE THE COUNTY AN ADDITIOAL $60,000 AND EXTEND OUR SCHEDULE BY THREE MONTHS. THE THIRD OPTION WE INVESTIGATED WAS SWITCHING THE MEDIAN OPENING FROM THE WESTERNMOST DRIVEWAY -- I'M SORRY, YEAH, FROM THE WESTERNMOST DRIVEWAY TO THE EASTERNMOST DRIVEWAY, IF VIOLATION IN MANAGEMENT ACCESS CRITERIA AND THEREFORE CONSIDERED UNSAFE. THIS OPTION WOULD COST THE COUNTY AN EXTRA $6000, AND ALSO INCREASE THE SCHEDULE BY SIX MONTHS. >> WHICH OPTION ARE YOU ON, TWO OR THREE? >> I WENT BY ONE, TWO, AND THREE, AND WE WILL LOOK AT SPECIFIC LAYOUTS FOR THE OPTIONS. THE THREE IS TO SWITCH LOCATIONS, BASICALLY, FROM EAST TO WEST. >> OKAY, GOTCHA. >> YOU CAN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. THIS IS OUR CURRENT DESIGN, OPTION ONE, WHICH ALLOWS THAT LEFT TURN LANE INTO THE CHURCH. THIS IS THE SAFEST OPTION FOR THE TRAVELING PUBLIC AND [05:20:03] ACCOMMODATES ACCESS TO THE CHURCH. YOU CAN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. OPTION TWO WOULD INTRODUCE AN UNSAFE SITUATION BY ALLOWING A LEFT TURN OUT AND LEFT TURN IN WHICH VIOLATES THE MANAGEMENT ACCESS CRITERIA. IT WOULD ALSO FURTHER AFFECT THE FUTURE ACCESS TO SUBDIVISIONS LOCATED NORTH OF SAND RIDGE. THEREFORE, IT WAS NOT ORIGINALLY RECOMMENDED AS A SAFE OPTION. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. IN ADDITION TO THE THREE OPTIONS WE LOOKED AT, IN THE COUNTY RIGHT AWAY, WE ALSO INVESTIGATED OPTIONS WITHIN THE CHURCH'S PROPERTY. THESE OPTIONS, FOUR AND FOR A THE OPTIONS WE WOULD DISCUSS HERE. FOR A WOULD CONNECT THE TWO PARKING LOTS WITH THE GRASS MEDIAN AREA BETWEEN THEM. THIS OPTION IS ESTIMATED AT $15,000 AND IT WOULD ALSO INCLUDE THE REMOVAL OF THE EXISTING FIELD. OPTION 4B, WOULD CONNECT THE BACKROAD TO BIG OAK DRIVE, ALLOWING ACCESS THROUGH THE CROSS CREEK NEIGHBORHOOD. THIS ALLOWS LEFT TURNS ONTO SANDRIDGE WESTBOUND. THIS OPTION IS ESTIMATED AT $30,000 AND WOULD PROVIDE THE CONNECTIVITY THE CHURCH IS SEEKING, WILL KEEPING THE PUBLIC SAFE ON SAND RIDGE ROAD. SO, WITH THAT, I WILL OPEN IT TO THE BOARD FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION. >> OKAY. QUESTIONS FOR ED AND/OR CARLOS? COMMISSIONER SGROMOLO? >> ONE OF MY INITIAL QUESTIONS WAS, WHAT WAS THE ENGINEERING DESIGN? I USED TO LIVE OFF OF SANDRIDGE, I USED TO LIVE IN ROLLING HILLS, AND WHEN I LIVED THERE, I GUESS 2018 TO 2020, THERE WERE NO MEDIANS, WHATSOEVER. SO I GUESS, WHAT WAS THE PURPOSE FOR MEDIANS ON SANDRIDGE? >> TAKE THE FIRST LOOK, CARLOS COME IN AFTERWARDS. AGAIN, THE INTENT OF THE DESIGN ON SANDRIDGE ROAD IS OPERATIONAL IMPROVEMENTS. OBVIOUSLY, YOU CURRENTLY HAVE THE TWO LANE ROAD, CURRENTLY THE POSTED SPEED LIMIT WILL BE 35 MILES PER HOUR, SO THAT IS A CRASH SPEED OF ESSENTIALLY 30 MILES PER HOUR, SO THEY MIGHT BE DOING THE SPEED LIMIT, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE QUITE A FEW PEOPLE HAVE A TENDENCY TO GO QUITE A BIT FASTER. WHAT THIS DOES, PUTTING THE MEDIAN BREAK IN THER WITH THAT GRASS CURB MEDIAN, IT KEEPS TRAFFIC 14 TO 16 FEET APART, SO YOU DON'T HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY. AND THEN, WHAT IT ALSO DOES, GIVES THE TRAVELING PUBLIC THE OPPORTUNITY TO GET OUT OF THE STREAM OF TRAFFIC WITH A D ACCELERATION LANE AND TURN IT INTO A SUBDIVISION. OR, FOR EXAMPLE, HERE, WE ARE GIVEN THAT OPTION TO GET OUT OF THE TREND LINE, FOR EASTBOUND TRAFFIC. >> I THINK ONE OF MY INITIAL CONCERNS WITH THE DESIGN IS FOR FOLKS THAT HAVE TO GO WESTBOUND ON SANDRIDGE, THERE IS NO COLLECTIONS LANE FOR A U-TURN, AND THERE IS NO STOPLIGHT, CURRENTLY, AT CROSS CREEK. SO, THEY WOULD LITERALLY BE STOPPING IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD TO TURN AROUND AND THAT TO ME IS CONCERNING. >> OR, THEY COULD TAKE A RIGHT INTO CROSS CREEK AND MAKE A U-TURN THERE AT CROSS CREEK, TO GO WESTBOUND. >> YEAH, AND I WOULD THINK MOST RESIDENTS ARE NOT GOING TO DO THAT. SO -- >> EXPLAIN THAT AGAIN? >> SO, LET'S SAY -- SEE WHERE THE MEDIAN BREAK IS? IF YOU WERE TO COME OUT OF CHURCH AT THAT POINT, OR EVEN THE EASTERNMOST ENTRANCE AND TAKE IT RIGHT BECAUSE YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO GO LEFT, AT THE END OF THE MEDIAN, THERE IS NO COLLECTION TO MAKE A U-TURN. IT IS JUST A STRAIGHT MEDIAN. YOU ARE IN THE TRAVEL LANE. >> YOU ARE IN THE TRAVEL LANE, YEAH. >> BUT, YOU CAN DO THE U-TURN DOWN THERE, YOU JUST HAVE TO STOP AT THE -- GOT IT. >> USUALLY, THOSE U-TURN MANEUVERS ARE MORE FOR A QUADRANT INTERSECTION, AND THERE IS A TURN WE LOOKED INTO, TO ENSURE THAT LARGER VEHICLES CAN DO THOSE KINDS OF MANEUVERS AT THAT ENTRANCE, AND THEN FURTHER DOWN, WE HAVE THAT ROUNDABOUT THAT WILL ALLOW THAT, AS WELL. THE PURPOSE OF THE MEDIANS ARE RESTRICTION, BECAUSE IT IS A SAFER LAYOUT THAN IT WOULD BE COMPARED TO THE SUICIDE LANES. >> WE HAVE HAD A SITUATION IN MY DISTRICT, WHERE WE HAVE HAD TO REMOVE MEDIAN ACCESS, AND IT HAS BEEN ON COUNTY ROAD T 20, WHERE THE SPEED LIMIT IS 45 AND IT HAS BEEN A NIGHTMARE. WE ARE PUTTING IN A TURN LANE BECAUSE CARS STACK UP FIVE, SIX, SEVEN CARS ON 220. SO, YEAH, WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO -- I WANT TO HEAR WHAT EVERYONE ELSE'S OPINIONS ARE ON THIS. >> I HAVE A QUESTION. >> GO FOR IT. >> THERE IS A PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT NORTH OF SANDRIDGE, [05:25:05] ISN'T THERE? >> CURRENTLY, IF YOU LOOK TO THAT BUBBLED AREA, JUST ACROSS SANDRIDGE FROM RUSSELL BAPTIST CHURCH, THERE ARE ROUGHLY 80 ACRES THAT ARE DEVELOPABLE -- THAT CAN BE DEVELOPED THERE, BETWEEN ANYWHERE BETWEEN 3 TO 10 UNITS PER ACRE IN THAT AREA, DEPENDING ON HOW THEY ARE DESIGNED. SO, IN FACT, THAT WAS A SECOND ENTRANCE INTO -- IF WE ARE GRANTED EAST ACCESS AGAIN -- WHICH GOES AGAINST THE RULES TO DO -- BUT IF WE DID, THAT GIVES THE COMMUNITY TO THE NORTH THE OPTION TO USE THAT MEDIUM BREAK. AND THEN, IT WOULD REALLY BE UNSAFE. IT WOULD BE BETTER FOR THAT COMMUNITY TO THE NORTH TO HAVE THAT INTERSECTION AT CROSS CREEK, WHICH WOULD BE JUST TO THE EAST. >> YOU STATED IT WAS DEVELOPABLE. IS THERE A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT? >> NO. >> I THINK IT WAS RICHARD WHO HAD LOOKED AT THAT, AND THERE IS TWO PARCELS THERE, AND -- RICHARD, IF YOU COULD? >> YES, COMMISSIONER RENNINGER. THE PARCEL IMMEDIATELY FRONTING ON SANDRIDGE ROAD IS OWNED BY ROBINSON A AND B, WHICH IS THE TRACK, THE LLC THAT INITIALLY OWNS THE ROBINSON RANCH TRACK. BEHIND IT IS ANOTHER 40 PLUS ACRE TRACK OWNED BY AMERICAN HOME FOR RENT, THE DEVELOPER THAT BUILT THE HOMES, THAT IS CALLED ROBINSON RANCH. IT IS ALSO DESIGNED TO BE CONNECTED WITH THE INTER-PARCEL TO ANNABEL ISLAND, WHICH IS ABOUT AN 800 UNIT SUBDIVISION. SO, IT WOULD BE QUITE A FEW HOMES IN THERE. THE 3 TO 10 ACRES, AS IT WAS EXPLAINED TO ME, SOUNDS A LITTLE IMPOSING. THAT IS WHAT IS AVAILABLE BEFORE COMING TO THE BOARD. THE 10 UNITS PER ACRE IS BASED UPON THE NUMBER OF TOWNHOMES THAT ARE IN THAT AREA, ON THE LAKE ASBURY MASTER PLAN COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THAT BETH CAN SPEAK ON. SO, IT CAN BE A LARGE NUMBER. MY CONCERN AS THE COUNTY ENGINEER, IF WE GRANT THIS IMMEDIATE OPENING, WHEN THEY COME IN FOR REQUEST TO DEVELOP THAT, IT WILL BE HARD TO SAY, WELL, YOU GUYS CAN'T, WHEN IT IS ACROSS THE STREET. WE KNOW THEY ARE GOING TO COME. THE WHOLE IDEA ABOUT MEDIA BREAK WAS ACCESS MANAGEMENT, NOT HAVING DRIVEWAYS -- HENLEY ROAD IS A GOOD EXAMPLE, THERE IS DRIVEWAYS EVERYWHERE SOMEONE'S HOME WAS. THEY CAN GO OUT AND MAKE RIGHTS AND LEFT, BUT THOSE HOMES ARE GOING TO BECOME ZAXBY'S'S, AND CHICK-FIL-A, AND HOME DEPOT. THOSE THINGS IN THE FUTURE. IT WILL BE DIFFICULT GETTING THAT ACCESS AWAY FROM THEM. HOPEFULLY, WE WILL BE SUCCESSFUL IN DOING THAT. WITH SANDRIDGE, IT IS ALMOST LIKE THIS LAST MILE HOME, THEY ARE JUST ABOUT HOME. WITH THE IMPROVEMENTS, WITH THE OPENING OF STATE ROAD 23, IT IS NOT GOING TO BE A SHORTCUT TO OAKLEAF FOR ME, ANYMORE. I DON'T HAVE TO GO THAT WAY. I CAN GO SOME OTHER WAY TO GO FROM GREEN CODE TO GET TO THAT PART OF THE COUNTY. SO, WE ARE HOPING THAT IT DOES BECOME PEOPLES LAST MILE TO GET TO THEIR HOMES. I JUST DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN STOP THEM, LEGALLY, FROM THE DEVELOPERS WANTING TO TIE INTO THERE. THE INTENT WAS FOR BIG OAK DRIVE TO BE THE MAIN ACCESS INTO THEIR, POSSIBLY BE SIGNALIZED. YOU CAN'T PUT A SIGNAL AT EACH MEDIAN BREAK, BUT THAT WOULD BE ONE THAT MAY WARRANT IT AT SOME POINT. SO, IT COULD BE -- THE ANSWER IS, 3 TO 10 ACRES, TIMES 80 ACRES. >> THE OTHER CLARIFICATION, SEPTIC TANK AND SEWER, SEPTIC TANK -- MAYBE CHAD CAN ANSWER THAT QUESTION -- BUT, IS IT ACTIVE, OR -- >> NO, IT IS NOT. >> TO MY UNDERSTANDING, WHEN WE MET WITH HIM A WEEK AND A HALF OR SO AGO, IT WAS ACTUALLY CONNECTING SEWER AND WATER, SO IT IS AN EXISTING FIELD THAT IS INACTIVE. BUT AGAIN, HIS FATHER IS STILL HERE. I DON'T THINK THAT REACTIVATED IT. AS FAR AS I KNOW. >> AND THE LAST QUESTION I HAVE WAS, THERE WAS A TRANSFER OF PROPERTY FROM CROSS CREEK TO RUSSELL BAPTIST. >> YES, SIR. >> WHAT IS OUR UNDERSTANDING FOR THE INTENTION OF THAT? >> YES, SIR. TO MY UNDERSTANDING, AGAIN, IT WAS A QUICK CLAIM FROM CROSS CREEK TO [05:30:05] RUSSELL BAPTIST, BACK IN 2021, AS IT IS JUST A SHOW NOW, AS ACCESS TO THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY. I DON'T KNOW WHAT DISCUSSIONS THERE WERE OTHER THAN WHAT WE WERE ABLE TO RESEARCH IN OUR DISCUSSIONS WITH THOSE FOLKS, AGAIN A YEAR AND A HALF OR SO AGO. >> ALL RIGHT, I'LL GO NEXT, CHAIR. OKAY, SO, BACK IN JANUARY, YOU KNOW, PASTOR WEEKS HAD COME FORWARD, ASKED ME IF THERE WERE OTHER OPTIONS, AND WHENEVER I WAS PRESENTED THIS BY ED -- AND OF COURSE, ED DOES A WONDERFUL JOB -- YOU KNOW I LOVE YOU. BUT, YOU KNOW, WE ARE BEING -- WE ARE SEEING THE SAME OPTIONS, BASICALLY. SO, WHEN I SAW THAT, I WAS LIKE, THERE ISN'T REALLY ANY CHANGE. I MEAN, IS THERE ONLY SO MANY THINGS YOU CAN DO? PROBABLY, YES. BUT, HERE IS WHAT -- IT MADE ME EMOTIONAL THE OTHER DAY, YOU KNOW, I KNOW Y'ALL DON'T SEE ALL THE STUFF WE HAVE BEEN DEALING WITH THERE ON SANDRIDGE AND WHAT THESE PEOPLE HAVE HAD TO GO THROUGH, AND PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN THERE FOR SO LONG -- THINK OF RUSSELL BAPTIST, 109 YEARS. AND THEY HAVE, YOU KNOW, THROUGH NONE OF OUR FAULTS, HAVE HAD TO DEAL WITH DEVELOPMENT COMING IN, IN SUCH NUMBERS, AND THEY JUST HAVE TO BACK UP AND TAKE IT, AND THEY HAVE TO SACRIFICE. THEY ARE NOW HAVING TO SACRIFICE FOR A DEVELOPMENT THAT WE DON'T EVEN KNOW THE NAME OF, WE DON'T EVEN KNOW WHEN THEY ARE COMING IN OR IF THEY ARE COMING IN. SANDRIDGE HAS BEEN A SAFE ROAD ALL ALONG. I DON'T REMEMBER SEEING ACCIDENTS ON THERE. I DON'T OVERSEEING ACCIDENTS COME OUT OF THE CHURCH. BUT, YET, YOU HAVE HENLEY, THAT IS FOUR LANES WITH A SUICIDE LANE IN THE MIDDLE, THAT HASN'T BEEN MADE TO BE BROUGHT TO THESE SAFETY STANDARDS, AND I KNOW WE ARE LOOKING AT SAFETY, THAT IS OUR MAIN GOAL. BUT, TO SAY THAT MAKING A U-TURN ON A THREE LANE ROAD WITH A MEDIAN IN THE MIDDLE WITH NO WAY TO EVEN GET OVER AND OUT OF THE WAY -- I MEAN, WE HAVE TRAILERS THAT COME THROUGH THERE REGULARLY, BOATS -- TO MAKE A U-TURN THERE, AND TO NOT RISK GETTING HIT, I DON'T SEE HOW THAT IS SAFER THAN WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT HERE WITH A MEDIAN? I MEAN, EVEN IF THIS OTHER DEVELOPMENT COMES IN -- WHICH, IT PROBABLY WILL, YOU KNOW, SOMEHOW ALL THESE PEOPLE ARE FINDING ALL THESE HOUSES TO BUY, I HAVE NO IDEA WHERE THEY ARE COMING FROM. BUT, ANYWAY, THEY HAVE ALREADY AGREED TO LET LAW ENFORCEMENT COME IN ON THE DAYS WHERE THEY HAVE THESE HUGE EVENTS. OF COURSE, EVERYBODY KNOWS, THIS CHURCH IS A MAJOR STAKEHOLDER IN OUR COMMUNITY. EVERY FRIDAY NIGHT RIGHT NOW THEY ARE COMING IN TO PLAY SOCCER, TRUNK OR TREAT, 2000 PEOPLE COMING THERE. I MEAN, THEY FEEL WE SHOULD BE LOOKING OUT FOR THEM. I WAS AT THE TOWN HALL MEETING, THEY WERE AT THE TOWN HALL MEETING. SOMEHOW, SOMEONE DIDN'T SEE, THERE IS NO MEDIAN CUTS, THERE. IT WAS THROWN ACROSS THE ROOM. AND I KNOW HOW MANY -- THERE ARE PEOPLE STILL SITTING HERE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT OVER 80 YEARS OLD I THINK THAT I JUST LOVE TO DEATH, AND THINKING ABOUT THEM MAKING A U-TURN OF DEATH ON THIS ROAD IS JUST INSANE TO ME, AND THERE ARE A TON OF THEM LIKE THAT, THAT ARE WONDERFUL PEOPLE THAT GO TO THAT CHURCH, AND WE SHOULD BE LOOKING OUT FOR THEM, AND I KNOW THIS SUPPOSEDLY IS A D.O.T. STANDARD. BUT, I JUST DON'T SEE HOW WE CAN TRADE THE SAFETY OF THEM HAVING TO MAKE THIS U-TURN, COMING INTO THE CHURCH, AND LEAVING THE CHURCH. THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE TO DO THIS. SPEED LIMIT HAS BEEN DECREASED. LESS TRAFFIC,YES THERE WILL BE MORE AS THE DEVELOPER COMES ON BUT WE ALREADY SAID, WE TOLD OUR RESIDENTS OVER AND OVER AGAIN, THERE IS NO REASON FOR US TO EVEN HAVE A FOUR LANE ROAD ON SANDRIDGE OR RUSSELL LANE ROAD BECAUSE ALL THIS TRAFFIC IS GOING TO GO OTHER WAYS. THE [05:35:06] CHURCH SHOULD NOT BE PENALIZED FOR WHAT IS HAPPENING IN THIS AREA. IF THERE IS ANY WAY AT ALL POSSIBLE WE CAN DO IT ANOTHER WAY. LAW ENFORCEMENT STOPS, THREE LANES OF TRAFFIC ON 17 AFTER CHURCH, FOR PEOPLE TO COME OUT, THEN I THINK THEY CAN STOP TRAFFIC ON THIS TWO LANE ROAD HERE. IF THERE IS AN AGREEMENT TO DO THAT, THEY ALREADY SAID THEY WOULD DO IT. SO WITH ANYTHING THAT IS SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN, MAKE SURE I HAVE IT ALL. FOUR LANES WITH AN OPEN MEDIAN IN THE MIDDLE, THAT IS NEVER -- WE HAVE NEVER TALKED ABOUT THAT BEFORE BEING UNSAFE. I THINK THAT'S IT. I JUST -- I JUST FEEL LIKE WE HAVE GOT TO FIGURE OUT SOMETHING ELSE. I -- I DON'T KNOW! MOTION WOULD BE TO HAVE A MEETING CUT FOR THE EASTERN SIDE OF THE CHURCH. >> OKAY, WE HAVE A MOTION, DO WE HAVE A SECOND? >> I WILL SECOND HER MOTION. >> OKAY. FURTHER DISCUSSION? >> SO, I THINK THE ONE BIG THING WITH THIS IS TRYING TO FIND -- AND COMMISSIONER BURKE, I APPRECIATE YOUR PASSION. BUT, ONE OF THE THINGS WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT HERE IS SOLUTIONS, RIGHT? AND I THINK YOU ACTUALLY JUST MENTIONED A SOLUTION IN TERMS OF HAVING THE SHARED CHURCH. I AM A MEMBER OF RCC, WE DON'T HAVE A MEDIAN BREAK, SO I LIVE IN EAGLE HARBOR, THE OFFICER STOPS TRAFFIC, I HAVE TO TAKE A RIGHT, I HAVE TO GO DOWN PROBABLY 0.2 MILES, BUT THEN THE DIFFERENCE TO ME IS I GET TO GET TO A COLLECTOR LANE TO MAKE MY U-TURN, RIGHT? I THINK OF PEOPLE THAT GO TO 1122 ON FLEMING ISLAND, ANOTHER HUGE CHURCH, THEY DON'T HAVE A MEDIAN BREAK. THEY GO TO A LIGHT, RIGHT? SO, I THINK THAT IS THE THING HERE, IS SOLUTIONS OF HOW TO DO THIS. SO, THE THING THAT I THINK OF, IS IF THERE IS NO CONNECTIVITY TO THE BACK OF THE CHURCH, TO THE CROSS CREEK ENTRANCE, THAT IS GOING TO BE A WHOLE LOT OF PEOPLE. EVEN IF YOU DO HAVE AN OFFICER THERE, THAT WILL BE A WHOLE LOT OF PEOPLE TRYING TO GET OUT OF ONE ENTRANCE AT ONE TIME, WHICH CAN BE VERY TOUGH. BUT, AT THE SAME TIME, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW, WHAT IS THE MOST COST-EFFECTIVE SOLUTION, OTHER THAN JUST WIPING THE WHOLE THING AND GOING WAY OVER BUDGET ON PROJECT? BECAUSE THAT IS ALSO SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT WITH THIS. >> I SEE A SOLUTION AT THE CROSS CREEK PROPERTY THAT WAS TRANSFERRED TO RUSSELL BAPTIST, TO IMPROVE THAT EXIT, THAT INGRESS, EGRESS, TO THE CROSS CREEK -- WHATEVER THE NAME OF THAT ROAD WAS. >> PARKWAY. >> PARKWAY. AND THEN YOU COME OUT AT AN INTERSECTION, THERE IS NO U-TURN REQUIRED. >> AND TO THE DEFENSE OF THE CHURCH, BEING IN EDUCATION FOR AS LONG AS I HAVE, WE WORK IN THE WORLD, AS COMMISSIONER COMPERE WOULD KNOW AS A FORMER BOARD MEMBER, OF UNFUNDED MANDATES. THE STATE WILL TELL YOU ALL THE TIME, YOU HAVE TO DO THIS A DIFFERENT WAY NOW. ALL THE TIME JUST BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE CONVENIENCE OF DIFFERENT ENTRANCES, I THINK THERE IS STILL TRAFFIC PATTERNS YOU CAN CREATE, WHERE COMING INTO SERVICE, IT IS ALL ONE WAY. COMING OUT OF SERVICE, WE HAVE TWO EXITS, YOU KNOW? OR, HOWEVER THEY WOULD WANT TO ADJUST THAT. WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS, COMMISSIONER RENNINGER, ON THE CROSS CREEK ENTRANCE, OR THE CONNECTION? >> WHAT DO YOU MEAN? >> BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, CURRENTLY, THERE IS NOT A ROADWAY THERE, RIGHT? >> ON PROPERTY -- >> UNIMPROVED. >> UNIMPROVED. IT APPEARS THE TREES ARE CLEARED, THERE IS A GATE THERE THAT HAS A CHAIN AND LOCK ON IT. AGAIN, THAT IS THE PICTURE THAT WAS TAKEN ACTUALLY FROM OAK STREAM LOOKING TOWARD RUSSELL BAPTIST CHURCH PROPERTY. SO, BACK TO THE QUESTION, WHAT WOULD IT TAKE? AGAIN, THAT IS WHY WE HAD AN ESTIMATE, I THINK IT WAS 30,000, FOR MAKING THOSE IMPROVEMENTS. THERE IS A LOT OF WAYS OF DOING IT, IF IT WAS TO PUT MILLING DOWN, ACTUAL SUBBASE, AND ASPHALT, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, I THINK IF YOU WERE TO UNCHAIN IT, I COULD ACTUALLY DRIVE MY TRUCK FROM THERE ONTO THE PROPERTY. BUT, AGAIN, I CANNOT, AS A COUNTY EMPLOYEE, TELL ANYBODY HOW TO [05:40:01] MANAGE THEIR PROPERTY ONCE WE GET TO THE RIGHT-OF-WAY LINE. >> BUT, WE CAN USE -- AS PART OF OUR IMMINENT DOMAIN PROCESS -- WHICH, PEOPLE THINK THAT MEANS "GO AND TAKE," BUT THAT IS ACTUALLY NOT LEGALLY WHAT IT MEANS. THERE IS A WHOLE PROCESS. WE HAVE DONE EVERYTHING FROM SOUNDPROOF WINDOWS IN PLACES, TO DRAINAGE, TO ALL KINDS OF THINGS, AS PART OF THAT PROCESS. WE HAVE THE ONE AGREEMENT THAT YOU HAD IN THAT ONE SLIDE THAT WAS FOR THE ONE PIECE OF PROPERTY. BUT, IF THIS IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO FOR SAFETY, UNDER THAT PROCESS, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT LEGALLY, WE COULD DO THAT IMPROVEMENT, IN FACT DO ALL OF THE IMPROVEMENTS -- THE SEPTIC AND THAT -- IF THAT WERE THE RIGHT THING TO DO. BUT, YOU KNOW, I HAVE HEARD TWO DIFFERENT THINGS TALKED ABOUT HERE. I DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THE WHOLE -- I DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THE TURN LANE, THE U-TURN STUCK UP. SO, CAN YOU NOT TURN -- WITH THE CURRENT MEDIAN BREAK, AT THE WEST PARKING LOT OF RUSSELL BAPTIST, CAN YOU NOT TURN LEFT? >> YOU CAN TURN LEFT. YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO TURN LEFT. >> YOU CAN TURN LEFT THERE AND YOU SHOULD HAVE CARS COMING IN RIGHT. >> CORRECT. >> BUT INTO THE CHURCH OR WHATEVER, TO MY UNDERSTANDING FROM THE WESTERN LOT, YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO TURN LEFT AND GO WEST OR RIGHT AND GO EAST. >> SO, IS THERE A LEFT TURN LANE INTO THEIR ON THE NORTH SIDE OF SANDRIDGE ON YOUR DRAWING? IS THERE A -- >> SO, IF YOU ARE HEADING EASTBOUND -- OR, I'M SORRY, WESTBOUND -- YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO GET INTO THAT MEDIAN. AGAIN, WHERE IT IS HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW, YOU WOULD BASICALLY BE ABLE TO GET TO THE MEDIAN AND TAKE THAT WEST TURN INTO THE PARKING LOT. >> OUT OF THE LINE OF TRAFFIC? >> THAT IS OUT OF THE LINE OF TRAFFIC. YES, MA'AM. >> SO, WHAT IS THE ISSUE, THEN, WITH AN IMMEDIATE MEDIAN BREAK, TO DO THE SAME THING? THEY ARE TOO CLOSE TOGETHER? >> CORRECT. >> OR, WE JUST DON'T HAVE THE SPACE TO DO THAT LANE? >> BOTH. AND I WILL REFER TO CARLOS, I THINK YOU HAVE THE STANDARDS THERE, AS FAR AS THE DISTANCES BETWEEN THE MEDIAN BREAKS. >> COMEDIAN BREAKS ARE PREFERRED AT ROUGHLY 1300 FEET. WITH THE RECENTLY REDUCED SPEED LIMIT OF 35 MILES PER HOU, THE STANDARD ALLOWS YOU TO GO TO 660 FEET. THIS ENTRANCE RIGHT HERE, THE WESTERNMOST ENTRANCE, IS ROUGHLY ABOUT 700 FEET, BARELY MAKING IT. IF WE WERE TO OPEN THE EASTERNMOST, YOU ARE AT 450 FEET, AND IT WOULD BE A VIOLATION OF ACCESS. >> BETWEENTHE TWO, 450 FEET -- >> BETWEEN THE EASTERNMOST TWO CROSS CREEK. THE EASTERNMOST IS THE ONE THAT THEY WANT OPEN. >> SO -- SO, BUT, THERE ARE OTHER PLACES ON -- THERE ARE OTHER PLACES THAT HAVE THAT SAME DISTANCE ON SANDRIDGE. >> NOW, ANOTHER COMPARISON WOULD BE IF YOU ARE LOOKING AT THE RONNIE VAN ZANDT PARK TO THE WEST PARKING LOT AND THERE IS A ENTRANCE TO THE MAIN ENTRANCE IF YOU WENT TO THE EAST PART OF THE REALIGNMENT. AGAIN, THERE WAS NO MEDIAN BREAK FOR THE WEST ENTRANCE, AND WHAT THE COUNTY HAD DONE, KNOWING THAT AGAIN YOU HAVE TWO SEPARATE PARKING LOTS, YOU NEEDED TO HAVE THE SAME SITUATION, YOU WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO TAKE A LEFT OUT OF THE WEST PARKING LOT, BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE MEDIAN BREAK. THE COUNTY CONNECTED ACTUALLY THE WEST AND EAST PARKING LOT, SO NOW IF YOU PARK IN THE WEST PARKING LOT, YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO DRIVE THROUGH AN ON-SITE ACCESS TO THE FRONT ENTRANCE TO THE RONNIE VAN ZANDT PRIMARY ENTRANCE, AND THEN TAKE A LEFT OUT CROSS TRAFFIC TO GO EASTBOUND. >> TO THE CHAIR, THE DIFFERENCE IN THAT IS THAT YOU HAVE BIG VEHICLE TRUCKS COMING IN THAT AREA AND THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN A NIGHTMARE FOR THAT TO HAPPEN, WITH IT BEING OPEN. >> THIS IS -- I AM TALKING ABOUT THE WESTERN PARKING LOT, WHERE THEY HAVE THE PLAYGROUND FOR THE CHILDREN. >> I KNOW. RIGHT PAST THAT IS WHERE THE -- >> IT IS RIGHT DOWN TO THE NEXT SUBDIVISION ENTRANCE. >> RIGHT, SO, IF YOU WOULD HAVE HAD A WAY TO OPEN RIGHT THERE, THEN YOU COULD HAVE HAD TO DEAL WITH CCUA VEHICLES, WHICH THEY ALREADY SAY IS UNSAFE. >> THEY WOULD NOT HAVE TURNED INTO THAT WESTERNMOST PARKING LOT. AGAIN, THAT IS -- >> I KNOW WHAT YOU ARE SAYING, RIGHT. >> THAT WOULD BE TOO CLOSE, WITHIN THAT -- IT IS A SHORTER DISTANCE THAN THAT 660 FEET, I THINK. SO -- >> OKAY, SO, I HAVE A QUESTION. THIS IS SOMETHING THEY HAVE [05:45:09] ASKED -- FIRST OFF, THEY HAVE ASKED, WHY CAN'T IT JUST BE LEFT AND THEN YOU JUST HAVE PAVEMENT THERE? THAT WAS THE FIRST QUESTION. BUT THEN, WHY CAN'T YOU JUST HAVE THAT PART OPEN RIGHT THERE, BETWEEN THOSE TWO, SO THEY COULD HAVE A WAY TO GET IN AND OUT, BOTH WAYS? THERE WOULD BE NO MEDIAN RIGHT THERE IN THAT AREA, BUT IT WOULD BE AFTER. >> TWO THOUGHTS ON THAT, EVEN. WE ARE GOING TO LOOK TO CARLOS FOR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION. BUT, IF YOU ALLOW THAT -- AGAIN, BASICALLY IT IS A SEMI-SUICIDE LANE, YOU ARE TRYING TO GET AWAY FROM THAT IMPOSING TRAFFIC COMING IN AT THE SAME TIME. BUT, MORE IMPORTANTLY, IF YOU GRANT THAT ACCESS, IT GOES AGAINST THE DISTANCE BETWEEN THAT AND CROSS CREEK AND ALSO, IN THE NOT-TOO-DISTANT FUTURE, NOW YOU HAVE THAT PROPERTY OWNER TO THE NORTH THAT IS GOING TO WANT TO USE THAT ENTRANCE OR THAT ACCESS TO ACCESS THE WEST SIDE OF THEIR PROPERTY. >> AND AGAIN, THAT IS LIKE WE SAID THEY WOULD BRING LAW ENFORCEMENT. >> BUT, YOU WOULDN'T HAVE LAW ENFORCEMENT DAY IN AND DAY OUT FOR THE FOLKS THAT ARE ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, THE NORTH SIDE OF SANDRIDGE. >> AND THE CHURCH WOULD HAVE TO PAY FOR THE LAW ENFORCEMENT, I'M SURE. MY CHURCH PAYS FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT, SO -- SO, BUT, I MEAN, IT'S THE ONLY CHURCH ON THE ROAD, SO I THINK WE CAN TREAT IT DIFFERENTLY, JUST BRING BLINKING LIGHTS, BLINKING FINES, CHURCH TRAFFIC, SOMETHING. >> YEAH, IT IS THE WHOLE CHURCH ON THE ENTIRE ROAD. JUST WHEN YOU GO ON THE CCUA TOUR. WHERE DO YOU TURN IN FOR CCUA? IT WASN'T INTUITIVE. I WAS DROPPING DOWN SANDRIDGE THE OTHER DAY, AND I TOLD ED I COULD THINK OF THIS IS MORE THAN OUR COUNTY MAINTENANCE STAFF HAS TO MOW. [05:58:50] >> COMPLETELY CUT OFF FROM ONE SIDE. SO AT THAT TIME WE STARTED [05:58:57] TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WE CAN DO. WE WENT BACK AND FORTH AND IT WAS TOLD TO US THAT BASICALLY OUR EASTERN ENTRANCE WAS THE ONLY THING WE COULD BE GIVEN. WE TRIED TO MAKE PEACE WITH THAT AND COME UP WITH CREATIVE SOLUTIONS ABOUT WHAT WE WOULD DO. LITERALLY SINCE THAT POINT FORWARD ALL WE HAVE DONE IS TRY TO ANALYZE HOW THIS WILL ACTUALLY PLAY OUT IN REAL WORLD APPLICATION. NOT JUST ON PAPER BUT WHAT WILL THIS LOOK LIKE. NOT JUST FOR OUR PEOPLE THAT ARE MEMBERS BUT COMMUNITY MEMBERS THAT WE HAVE REGULARLY ENGAGED WITH. SO BASICALLY IF YOU LOOK AT THAT DRAWING WHERE PEOPLE ARE TURNING IN, COMING FROM THE EAST AT 209 AND TURNING INTO THE CHURCH, YOU WILL SIMULTANEOUSLY HAVE PEOPLE COMING FROM THE WEST, FROM LAKE AS VERY TURNING INTO THAT ONE ENTRANCE. PEOPLE WILL BE TURNING IN THE WESTERN [06:00:04] ENTRANCE AND WHAT WE WILL ESSENTIALLY BE DOING BY TRYING TO JOIN THESE TWO ROADS WERE PARKING LOTS TOGETHER, THIS WAS OUR IDEA WE CAME UP WITH ORIGINALLY. IT IS NOT A SUGGESTION FROM THE COUNTY. IT IS SOMETHING WE DEVISED. WE FIGURED OUT BY LOOKING AT IT THAT ESSENTIALLYWHAT WE ARE DOING IS CREATING A THREE-WAY INTERSECTION ON OUR PROPERTY AND THE COUNTY AT THE FRONT OF THAT ROAD. PEOPLE WILL BE DROPPING KIDS OFF AT THE SMALLER BUILDING AND TRYING TO GO OVER TO THE OTHER SIDE OF PARKING. PEOPLE WILL TRY TO EXIT THE PROPERTY, ENTER THE PROPERTY FROM TWO WAYS AND PEOPLE COMING OUT OF THIS PARKING LOT DROP OFF, TRYING TO TURN RIGHT, ALL AT THE SAME SPOT. PEOPLE GOING OUT ONTO SANDRIDGE AND PEOPLE MAY BE INVOLVED IN COLLISIONS INSIDE THE ENTRANCE OF OUR PARKING LOT AND IT JUST TAKES A SITUATION AND MAKES IT, WE ARE TRYING TO AIM FOR SAFETY AND THAT IS NOT WHAT WE GET. WHEN WE DO THOSE THINGS. AS FAR AS THE CROSS CREEK ENTRANCE, THAT IS AT THE BACK HALF OF THE USABLE SPACE OF OUR PROPERTY. THAT CUT OUT IN THE ROAD DESIGN IS NOT BY ACCIDENT. THAT IS SOMETHING WE TRIED TO HAVE FORESIGHT WITH WITH THE DEVELOPER AND IN GOOD FAITH HAVE SOME NEGOTIATIONS WITH THEM ON THINGS THAT COULD BENEFIT MEMBERS OF THEIR COMMUNITY AND ALSO BENEFIT THE CHURCH WITH OUR LARGE EVENTS, AND OUTFLOW, PEOPLE THERE FOR FIREWORKS AND FOOD TRUCKS ON FOURTH OF JULY AND EVERYBODY IS TRYING TO LEAVE AT THE SAME TIME. HOW WILL THEY GET OFF THE PROPERTY? THIS WILL BE A WAY TO HELP US GET PEOPLE OFF IN A TIMELY AND SAFE MANNER. BUT IT CAN'T REPLACE, OUR ADDRESS, YOU GOOGLE IT. IF YOU ARE A GUEST TRYING TO COME TO OUR PROPERTY FOR AN EVENT OR FOR CHURCH AND IT WILL SAY 2299 SANDRIDGE ROAD. NOT CROSS CREEK, WHATEVERIT IS, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S CALLED BUT PEOPLE WILL NOT BE ABLE TO FIND AND NAVIGATE THEIR WAY TO THAT SPACE AND WE HAVE EVERY PLAN ON DEVELOPING THAT DOWN THE LINE TO HELP PEOPLE AND HELP WITH OUR EVENTS AND HELP MAINTAIN SAFETY AND OUTFLOW FROM OUR EVENTS BUT THERE IS NO WAY THAT CAN REPLACE THE ADDRESS WE'VE HAD ON SANDRIDGE ROAD FOR 109 YEARS. THAT CAN'T REPLACE THAT. AND SO BASICALLY WE ARE BEING ASKED TO, WE ARE CONSIDERING A HYPOTHETICAL NEIGHBORHOOD THAT DOES NOT EVEN EXIST YET. WE ARE PROTECTING THEIR INTEREST BUT NOT THE INTEREST OF THE CHURCH THAT HAS BEEN HERE FOR OVER 100 YEARS. >> I DON'T THINK THAT IS THE CASE. I THINK, SO, MY QUESTION FOR YOU WOULD BE, OBVIOUSLY WE ARE NOT ASKING YOU TO GIVE UP YOUR ADDRESS AND NO ONE IS SAYING NO ENTRANCE OFF SANDRIDGE BUT I UNDERSTAND THE EMOTION, I GET IT, COMPLETELY. I WAS AS SHOCKED AS YOU WERE. I VISITED RUSSELL BAPTIST AND THE WAY I DROVE IN TO YOUR CHURCH WAS THROUGH THE EASTERN ENTRANCE. I THOUGHT WAS THAT -- THAT WAS YOUR MAIN WAY. >> WE HAVE 28 ACRES. WE CAN DO EVENTS AND THINGS THAT A LOT OF CHURCHES CAN'T DO BECAUSE WE HAVE THAT ACREAGE. AND ANYPLACE LIKE AS BARRY, 28 ACRES IS A UNICORN. YOU DON'T HAVE THAT ABILITY TO DO THOSE THINGS. ESSENTIALLY THIS WILL LIMIT OUR ABILITY TO DO THOSE THINGS FOR OUR COMMUNITY. >> I GUESS THE BIGGEST THING IS, IF YOU HAD YOUR, IF Y'ALL COULD TELL US TODAY WHAT YOU WANTED, IS IT TWO MEDIAN BREAKS, IS THERE NO MEDIAN? >> I WOULD SAY, WHATEVER THE COUNTY FEELS IS THE SAFEST OPTION FOR EITHER LEAVING A MEDIAN OR BOTH MEDIAN BREAKS OPEN OR DELETING A SECTION OF MEDIAN. I KNOW PEOPLE DON'T LIKE TO USE SUICIDE LANE BUT A REFUGE LIEN OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. POSSIBLY HEADING IN A CROSS LIGHT, OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. WE HAVE LOWERED THE SPEED LIMIT FROM 45 TO 35 ON SANDRIDGE. MAYBE LOWER IT ANOTHER 10. THERE ARE PRACTICAL STEPS WE CAN TAKE. >> I HEAR YOU AND I WANT TO SAY [06:05:02] YES TO Y'ALL. HERE IS THE PROBLEM WE HAVE. IF WE -- BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY THE BUCK STOPS HERE. IF YOU GET A CHECK FROM A COUNTY TODAY IT HAS MY SIGNATURE ON IT AND HER SIGNATURE ON IT AND I AM POINTING TO CLERK GREEN. THESE FOUR PEOPLE ARE EQUALLY AS LIABLE AS ME. IF WE, WE HAVE PROFESSIONAL ENGINEERS WHO HAVE SAID THE TWO MEDIAN BREAKS AND THEY HAVE THEIR LICENSE ON THE LINE. IF THE COUNTY GETS SUED, SOVEREIGN IMMUNITY WILL NOT PROTECT US. IF OUR PROFESSIONAL ENGINEERS HAVE SAID, THIS IS NOT SAFE , AND I KNOW THERE ARE OTHER OPINIONS AND THAT KIND OF THING BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY WE HAVE A COUNTY ENGINEER, MORE THAN ONE, CERTIFIED PROFESSIONAL ENGINEERS WITHOUT LICENSE , THE COUNTY IS PAYING UNDER THE PAYROLL TO GIVE US ADVICE. SO WE HAVE THAT. THEN IF WE GO WITH THE SAFER OPTION OF NOTHING THERE, IT IS ANOTHER $1 MILLION. AND I'LL TELL YOU THAT I REPRESENT, AND THERE ARE PEOPLE IN YOUR CHURCH THAT I LOVE AND PEOPLE FROM MY DISTRICT THAT COME TO YOUR CHURCH BUT I REPRESENT DISTRICT 4. I DON'T HAVE $1 MILLION TO CUT OUT OF SOMETHING ELSE IN DISTRICT 4 OR THESE OTHER DISTRICTS THAT WE CAN GO AND GIVE TO THIS. SO WE ARE IN A SUPER QUANDARY AND I DON'T KNOW THE RIGHT ANSWER. I FEEL VERY, I WANT TO HELP, I DO. I THINK THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS DO, TO. IT IS FINDING A SOLUTION THAT WORKS THAT IS NOT $1 MILLION. WE HAD A LADY EARLIER THAT LEFT, BUT WHEN THE LADY WAS SAYING ON 12 OAKS IF THE COUNTY WANTED TO TAKE OVER MAINTENANCE OF IT, WE HAVE SO MANY PRIVATE ROADS THAT WE CAN'T AFFORD TO MAINTAIN. WE CAN'T AFFORD TO PAVE ALL OF OUR ROADS IN YOUR DISTRICT AND MY DISTRICT. MOST OF THE OTHER DISTRICTS ARE PAVED NOW. WHEN WE ARE UP AGAINST THIS, WE ARE TRYING TO BALANCE FIVE DISTRICTS OF MONEY. WE GET IT, THE ONLY CHURCH ON THE ROAD AND WE WANT TO HONOR THAT AND WE WANT TO HONOR IT TO COME UP WITH $1 MILLION THAT WOULD HAVE TO COME OUT OF OUR RESURFACING BUDGET THAT'S ALREADY DEDICATED TO OTHER ROADS AND THAT WOULD BE VERY DIFFICULT. MAYBE IT COULD COME FROM SOMEWHERE ELSE. WE HAVE A BUDGET PROPOSAL THAT WAS AT OUR WORKSHOP. IF YOU READ THE MINUTES, YOU WILL SEE, THE SHERIFF IS ASKING FOR A 10% INCREASE IN THE BUDGET AT ABOUT $12 MILLION AND WE HAVE ABOUT $5 MILLION OF IT. WE CAN'T EVEN FIND NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET. I SHARE THOSE THINGS JUST TO TELL YOU, I KNOW IT'S EMOTIONAL FOR YOU AND FEELS LIKE YOU WERE NOT INCLUDED AND I'M DISAPPOINTED THAT BETWEEN JANUARY AND NOW YOU WERE NOT BROUGHT INTO THE CONVERSATION. BUT THEY DID HAVE THE TOWNHOME MEETINGS AT YOUR CHURCH AND THESE PUBLIC MEETINGS, I WAS NOT A PART OF THAT AND DID NOT COME TO THEM AND DON'T KNOW THOSE CONVERSATIONS. I FEEL VERY TORN, BUT ETHICALLY I CAN'T ASK THE COUNTY ENGINEERS TO PUT THEIR LICENSES ON THE LINE TO SAY WE WILL DO THE $60,000 OPTION THAT THREE OF THEM HAVE SAID TONIGHT ARE NOT SAFE. AT THE SAME TIME, THE OTHER OPTION IS $1 MILLION. >> I WAS TOLD THE MEDIAN BREAK, JUST THE SIMPLE CUT OUT FOR THE MEDIAN WOULD COST $30,000, WHEN I SPOKE TO ONE OF THE COMMISSIONERS THIS WEEK. IF IT IS JUST AS SIMPLE AS LEAVING ONE CUT OUT ON THE EASTERN ENTRANCE, THAT WOULD BE A LOT CHEAPER THAN $1 MILLION. AS FAR AS THE SAFETY ISSUE, I THINK THE ISSUE IS, SANDRIDGE ROAD IS THE SAFEST ROAD END LEE KASPERI AND HAS BEEN REDUCED BY 10 MILES PER HOUR SPEED. CATHEDRAL OAKS IS ABOUT TO OPEN. WE'VE BEEN TOLD OVER AND OVER THAT SANDRIDGE ROAD IS THE FEEDER ROAD, NOT AIMING ARTERY. HIGHWAY 23 WILL OPEN AND THAT IS NOT EVEN COUNTING FOR FEED MILL ROAD, THAT PROJECT THAT WILL BE COMPLETED IN A YEAR OR TWO AND WILL FURTHER ALLEVIATE TRAFFIC AND JUST THAT SECTION OF SANDRIDGE. IT WILL TRULY JUST REMAIN LOCAL TRAFFIC TO PEOPLE WHO LIVE ON THOSE AREAS OF SANDRIDGE. IT IS SAFE NOW AND WE HAVE NO DRAINAGE OR TRAFFIC ISSUES. AND WE HAVE BEEN MIXED ACROSS CREEKS ENTRANCE FOR TWO YEARS. JUST EYES ON THE GROUND, SEEING THAT, I WAS READING THAT NCH RP REPORT AND IT HIGHLIGHTS [06:10:07] CONTEXT SENSITIVE SOLUTIONS. WHERE YOU DON'T JUST COPY AND PASTE YOUR FORMULAS INTO THESE ROAD PROJECTS, BUT YOU KEEP STAKEHOLDERS AND ACCESS IN MIND AS YOU MAKE THESE DESIGNS. AND SOME OF THESE THINGS ARE LEFT TO THE COUNTY'S DISCRETION. IT IS NOT PER SE A RULE BUT MAY BE SOMETHING YOU WOULD LIKE TO FOLLOW. BUT WE WILL MAKE AN EXCEPTION BECAUSE OF A VERY EXCEPTIONAL CASE WHERE FACING. I FEEL LIKE THE CHURCH FALLS INTO THAT. >> I HEAR YOU. BUT WE'VE ALSO HAD THREE ENGINEERS SAY ON PUBLIC RECORD TONIGHT THAT USING THAT DISCRETION IS NOT SAFE. SO WE HAVE TO BE, YOU KNOW, I FEEL, ETHICALLY, TO STAY IN THOSE BOUNDARIES, BUT I DO HEAR YOU. DID HE ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? I TOOK IT DOWN A RABBIT HOLE. >> I HAVE A QUESTION FOR CHAD. THE PAVING BETWEEN THE TWO PARKING LOTS, CAN BE DONE OR CAN'T BE DONE? >> CONSTRUCTION WISE AND FISCALLY WISE. >> AND EGRESS AT CROSS CREEK AT THE BACK ENTRANCE OR BACK EXIT. $30,000 OR WHATEVER, WAS A 30,000? WHY WOULDN'T THAT WORK? >> I THINK THE BIGGEST THING IS THE FRONTAGE CONNECTING THE TWO PARKING LOTS, TRYING TO EXPLAIN THAT IT WILL STILL MAKE THINGS VERY UNSAFE. YOU ARE ESSENTIALLY CREATING A THREE-WAY INTERSECTION AT THE FRONT WAY ENTRANCE. IF YOU LOOK THERE, I TRIED TO EXPLAIN THIS, IF YOU TURN IN, PEOPLE ARE TURNING IN FROM WESTBOUND TRAFFIC, PEOPLE COMING FROM SANDRIDGE, PULLING IN THE SAME PARKING LOT, ALL TRYING TO GET OVER TO THE OTHER SIDE AT THE SAME TIME. >> AND WE SOLVE THAT WITH INGRESS ONLY AT THE FRONT OF THE CHURCH. EXIT IS EGRESS AND NOW YOU HAVE AN INTERSECTION WITH NO U-TURN REQUIRED, PERIOD. >> THEY CAN ENTER THE PROPERTY, BUT FOR EXAMPLE, OUR KIDS BUILDING IS IN THIS WESTERN PARKING LOT. PARENTS WILL DROP OFF THEIR KIDS AT THE FRONT ENTRANCE. AND THEY WILL CIRCLE AROUND. THEY WILL NOT STAY IN THAT PARKING LOT. >> I KNOW BUT THEY CAN GET INTO THE EASTERN PARKING LOT. >> HE SAID THEY WILL BE LEAVING FROM THE EASTERN SIDE ALSO, PARENTS COMING THIS WAY. >> YOU'D HAVE TO CHANGE THE TRAFFIC PATTERN. >> RCC YOU CAN ONLY COMING ON THE NORTH SIDE BUT YOU HAVE TO EXIT ON THE SOUTH SIDE. >> WE WOULD STILL HAVE THE SAME ISSUE WITH U-TURNS ON SANDRIDGE. >> NOT IF YOU HAVE THE EGRESS AT CROSS CREEK. >> SO YOU ARE SAYING TO REROUTE. >> NO U-TURN WOULD BE REQUIRED. >> FOR LITERALLY ALL ACTIVITIES. >> ALL ACTIVITIES. >> IS THERE ANY KIND OF, THAT'S WHAT I'M WANTING TO KNOW, WITH CROSS CREEK'S PRIVATE DRIVEWAY AND H AWAY, TO USE IT AS A PERMANENT OUTLET FOR EVERY ACTIVITY OF OUR CHURCH. I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF THAT IS ALLOWED. THAT IS SOMETHING YOU GUYS WOULD HAVE TO RESEARCH. BUT I'VE GOT A FEELING THAT THE PEOPLE OF CROSS CREEK WOULDN'T BE HAPPY WITH THAT. >> THEY PUT A MEDIAN BREAK FOR SOME REASON. >> I EXPLAINED WHAT THE REASON WAS. WE VERBALLY NEGOTIATED THAT WITH THEM FOR BIG EVENTS FOR OUTFLOWS FOR OUR LARGE EVENTS ON SPECIAL OCCASIONS. THAT WAS NOT ENVISIONED FOR EVERY DAY USE FOR LITERALLY EVERYTHING THAT WILL HAPPEN ON OUR PROPERTY INCLUDING DROP OFF, CHURCH SERVICES, YOU NAME IT. >> QUESTION. WHAT ABOUT LIKE WHAT THEY ARE DOING ON 220 WITH ONE DIRECTION WHERE THEY CAN AT LEAST TURN LEFT TO GO TO LIKE ADD BARRY OUT OF THERE, BUT ONLY TURN LEFT? >> WHERE WOULD YOU PUT IT? ON THE EASTERN ENTRANCE? >> YEAH, IT WOULDN'T BE BOTH [06:15:04] WAYS. >> I THOUGHT YOU SAID IF YOU HAVE TWO MEDIAN CUTS THEY HAVE TO BE 1300 FEET APART, CORRECT? AND THIS EAST AND WEST ENTRANCES FOR THIS PARCEL ARE 200 FEET. >> AND LIKE WE WERE SAYING, IT IS A LOWER SPEED LIMIT AND IT'S MORE OF A SUBURBAN AREA. WE ARE ALLOWED TO UTILIZE IT UP TO 660 FEET APART. THE WESTERN MOST ENTRANCE QUALIFIED BECAUSE IT IS ROUGHLY 700. IF WE MOVE IT AGAIN TOWARD THE EAST DRIVEWAY WE ARE AT 450. AND IT WOULD VIOLATE MATERIAL FOR ACCESS MANAGEMENT. THERE ARE EXCEPTIONS BUT IT NEEDS TO COME FROM THE WARD AND I DON'T WANT TO BE LIABLE FOR IT. >> I THINK WE WOULD HAVE TO GET THE ENGINEER RECORD. IF YOU BUILD LIKE THIS, THEN IT IS THE COUNTY'S DECISION. RIGHT NOW IT IS THE DESIGNERS DECISION. IT WOULD BE UP TO BOBBY JAMISON AS THE ENGINEER ON RECORD. IF THEY WOULD AGREE TO IT, THEN THEY WOULD DO IT. THE WHOLE IDEA IS, YOU ARE CONCERNED ABOUT COLLISIONS ON YOUR PROPERTY. WE KIND OF HAVE THAT SAME CONCERN AND THAT IS WHY IT IS DESIGNED THIS WAY. SAFETY IS THE MOST IMPORTANT. >> WE DO HAVE A MOTION IN THE SECOND. I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT THE MOTION -- SO, WHAT DO YOU DO IF IT IS A MEDIAN CUT AND RICHARD SAID THAT WE WILL HAVE TO GO TO THE ENGINEER OF RECORD. WHAT DO WE DO IF THE ENGINEER OF RECORD WON'T SIGN OFF ON IT? >> I WOULDN'T KNOW THAT ANSWER. >> THEN WE WOULD BE UNABLE TO DO THAT, SO THEN DO WE COME BACK TO THE BOARD? >> I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER. I'M SURE THIS IS NOT THE FIRST TIME SOMEBODY HAS HAD TO DO THIS. >> RIGHT, SO, I THINK WE ARE DANCING AROUND AN ISSUE IN WHAT JUST BECAME SO APPARENT IS THAT WE DON'T HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS DECISION. I HAVE TO WITHDRAW MY SECOND BECAUSE, FOR ME, I HAVE A LOT OF FOLKS GIVING ME HYPOTHETICALS. BUT, TRUTHFULLY, THE ONLY PERSON THAT MATTERS ISN'T EVEN HERE. BOBBY, WHERE ARE YOU? >> HE IS HOME IN BED. >> YES, IT'S LATE. SO FOR ME, IT'S VERY CLEAR. I WAS BAFFLED AS TO WHY WE WOULD NEED A CUT. WHY NOT JUST REMOVE THAT SECTION COMPLETELY. BUT AGAIN, I'M NOT AN ENGINEER AND I WOULD FEEL MOST COMFORTABLE WITH BOBBY, WHO DESIGNED THIS, SPEAKING TO IT. BECAUSE THIS IS ALL CONJECTURE, IT IS ALL SPECULATION IN MY MIND AND NOBODY WANTS TO SIGN ON THE DOTTED LINE FOR IT. I CAN APPRECIATE THAT, BUT THIS IS A VERY SENSITIVE SUBJECT WITH STAKEHOLDERS THAT ARE VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT THE DESIRE THAT THEY HAVE. I'M ALSO PASSIONATE ABOUT GETTING A SAFE ANSWER, AND I DON'T HAVE THAT TONIGHT. AT THE PLEASURE OF THE BOARD, MY RECOMMENDATION IS TO NOT MOVE FORWARD WITH THE DECISION ON THIS MEDIAN BREAK TONIGHT. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WOULD REQUIRE A MOTION OR CONSENSUS BUT I DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE HAVING MADE THAT SECOND, MOVING FORWARD WITH THE DECISION YES OR NO BECAUSE THERE ARE IMPACTS ON BOTH ENDS. WE ARE NOT PRESENTED WITH A DIFFERENT SPEC TONIGHT AND THAT WAS FIVE MONTHS AGO THAT WE ASKED FOR ONE. THERE IS FRUSTRATION EVERYWHERE. BUT THAT WOULD BE MY ASK OFF THE BOARD TONIGHT. I DON'T HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION. >> AND TO ADD TO THAT, WE DO NEED TO KNOW ABOUT CROSS CREEK. IF THAT IS A POSSIBILITY TO BE A MAIN EXIT AND ENTRANCE CONSTANT. I DON'T KNOW WHO WE WILL ASK TO THAT. >> WE DON'T HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO DEAL WITH. WE DON'T ACTUALLY HAVE TO VOTE ON THIS, SO WE CAN DELAY IT. DO YOU WANT [06:20:04] A MOTION TO DO THAT? AND DO YOU WANT TO PUT A TIMEFRAME ON IT? >> BASED ON WHAT WE'VE HEARD, I THINK WE NEED A MOTION TO INVESTIGATE THE REMOVAL, THE LEGALITY, THE COST, AS WELL AS CROSS CREEK ACCESS, IS THAT A FEASIBLE REMEDY TO THIS PROBLEM? I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU GET THAT. >> I DON'T THINK WE NEED A MOTION JUST FOR DIRECTION. >> THAT'S WHAT I MEANT, DIRECTION TO THE STAFF. THE IMPACT OF NO MEDIAN AND THE IMPACT OF AN EGRESS ON CROSS CREEK. >> BUT IS NO MEDIAN, WHERE? >> BOTH OF THEM. >> NOT THE WHOLE THING. JUST THE TWO. >> THE EAST AND WEST PARKING LOTS. >> TO REDESIGN IT SO THAT WE HAVE IT ALL PAVEMENT, AND BRINGING BACK ALL THE INFORMATION ABOUT THE PERMIT AND THE COSTS, ARE YOU STILL WANTING -- >> LET ME ASK ONE QUESTION, I'VE HEARD PROFESSIONAL ENGINEERS SAY IT IS UNSAFE. >> NO, NOT THAT. >> RICHARD SAID HE'D RATHER HAVE THAT THAN THE TWO MEDIAN CUTS. AND HERE IS MY QUESTION. I GET IT THAT WE SIGN CONTRACTS AND WE HAVE STUFF. I HAVEN'T DRIVEN BY THERE IN TWO WEEKS. BUT I DROVE BY TWO WEEKS AGO AND THEY HAD STARTED THE BUILDING OF THIS MEDIAN. IF THEY HAVEN'T STARTED THE BUILDING OF THIS MEDIAN, I GUESS I WOULD ASK, WHY, I UNDERSTAND THE REDESIGN, BUT SOMEBODY NEEDS TO DO THE MATH ON THE STORM WATER AND I'M SURE IT GA I WILL CHARGE US SOMETHING. BUT WE FOUND OUT TONIGHT YOU CAN BUILD THE BUILDING FOR $5 MILLION. ALL I'M SAYING IS THAT EVERYTHING IN THIS COUNTY DOES NOT HAVE TO COST MILLIONS. EVERY TIME I TURN AROUND THE COUNTY MANAGER HEARS ME SAY THAT I GOT ME BROKEN RECORD. I KNOW I'M CHEAP BUT SOMETIMES I FEEL LIKE WE GET TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF. LIKE IF THEY JUST CUT OUT THAT, HOW DOES IT IMPACT? >> WE COULD TAKE A LOOK AT IT IF THAT'S THE DIRECTION. >> WE CAN HAVE FLASHING CHURCH ZONE LIGHTS, 10 MILES LOWER, IF YOU CAN ADD THAT INTO THE DISCUSSION. IF YOU CAN REMEMBER THAT. >> AND RICHARD WILL HAVE SIGNS THAT CAN TELL HOW FAST THEY ARE GOING. DO YOU FEEL LIKE YOU HAVE ENOUGH CONSENSUS TO MOVE FORWARD? >> THE TEAM HAS DIRECTION. >> THANK YOU CARLOS AND RICHARD AND RUSSELL BAPTIST, WE APPRECIATE YOU, TOO. WE ARE REALLY TRYING TO FIND THE BEST SOLUTION THAT IS SAFE. >> ITEM NUMBER 19, IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE CONSIDERATION OF SPECIAL MAGISTRATES CLARIFICATION, ONLY HIS CLARIFICATION WAS LESS CLEAR THAN HIS INITIAL SO WE NEED TO GET MORE CLARIFICATION. WE WILL [20.  Appointments to the Land Conservation Committee] NOT BE DECIDING ITEM NUMBER 19 TONIGHT. ITEM NUMBER 20, APPOINTMENTS TO THE LAND CONSERVATION COMMITTEE. APPOINTMENT OF 11 MEMBERS OF THE NEW LAND CONSERVATION COMMITTEE. BEFORE WE GET STARTED, PLEASE FORGIVE ME FOR MY YAWN. ON YOUR SCORE SHEETS, HOLD ON, I WILL FIND HER. ON THE SECOND TO LAST PAGE, SO NOT THE LAST PAGE, THAT ONLY HAS A FEW ON THE OTHER WE HAVE LISA SHED DANIELS AND SHE WITHDREW HER NAME FROM CONSIDERATION BECAUSE SHE SERVES ON THE HOUSING FINANCE COMMITTEE AND WANTS TO STAY THERE AND CANNOT SERVE ON TWO. SHE ASKED THAT WE REMOVE HER NAME. LISA SHED DANIELS ON YOUR SCORE SHEETS. UNDER THE CONSERVATION VOLUNTEER. ON THE SECOND PAGE. [06:25:02] IF SHE STARTS GETTING VOTES I WILL FLAG IT. BUT I NEEDED TO SAY THAT. IT IS ON THE CONSERVATION VOLUNTEER SECTION, THE SECOND PAGE, ABOUT SEVEN, LISA SHED DANIELS. ALL RIGHT, JODI. >> JUST FOR A LITTLE QUICK BACKGROUND FOR THOSE JUST TUNING IN, IN OCTOBER OF LAST YEAR THE BOARD CREATED THE FORREST FARMS LAND CONSERVATION PROGRAM. THAT INCLUDES THE FORMATION OF A LAND CONSERVATION COMMITTEE AND WILL ACT AS A TECHNICAL ADVISER TO THE BOARD REGARDING LAND ACQUISITION AS WELL AS [06:37:40] FOUR [06:47:12] >> DID YOU UPDATE YOURS? >> I DID. [06:47:14] I STILL HAVE AN ERROR FOR SOME REASON. [06:47:17] I DON'T KNOW WHY. >> WHAT ARE THE CHANCES THAT WE HAVE EVEN MORE? >> THREE THAT GOT THE SAME BOATS -- VOTES? >> THAT GOT MORE THAN ANY OF THE OTHERS. >> OKAY, GOT YOU. I FEEL LIKE WE GAVE THE OSCAR AND WE ARE TAKING THAT THING BACK. >> WE HAVE THREE FOR CONSERVATION. >> THREE THAT HAVE MORE VOTES THAN ANDY -- ANY OF THE OTHERS. >> SORRY IF YOU ARE LEPENSKI AND JUST GOT REALLY EXCITED. >> THESE ARE THE TOP THREE. >> I FEEL LIKE WE GAVE THE [06:50:02] OSCAR AND WE ARE TAKING THAT THING BACK. ARE ANY OF THOSE PEOPLE HERE? >> TINA WAS HERE EARLIER. >> CONGRATULATIONS. AND WHAT ABOUT CHRISTINE, AND THAT'S IT? THE REST OF YOU, IF YOU WEREN'T CHOSEN, IT IS NOT ALL LOST. WE HAVE STAGGERED TERMS FOR THESE VOLUNTEERS AND SOME HAVE ONLY A ONE YEAR TERM. IN A YEAR WE WILL BE CHOOSING REPLACEMENT IN ALL CATEGORIES AND WHEN WE GET TO A SITUATION WHERE PEOPLE CANNOT SERVE, I WILL ASK THE BOARD MEMBERS, OUR THOUGHTS WERE TO GO BACK TO THE ORIGINAL APPLICANTS. SO, JOHN, ARE YOU OKAY WITH THAT? >> I'M FINE. >> JUST BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T GET CHOSEN ON THIS ROUND YOU MAKE IT CHOSEN IN THE FUTURE. ANYWAY, THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU. WE HAD 61 AND ITS REALLY DIFFICULT TO PICK 11. I FEEL BAD NOW, I FEEL LIKE WE SHOULD HAVE AROSE FOR YOU LIKE THE BACHELOR, BUT ANYWAY. OKAY. >> THANKS, EVERYBODY. [32.  Discussion of Appointment to the Springs Citizen Advisory Committee] >> SO, THAT IS THAT AND THAT IS ITEM NUMBER 20. NOW WE ARE AT ITEM NUMBER 32, DISCUSSION OF APPOINTMENT TO THE SPRINGS SENATE ADVISORY COMMITTEE FOR KIMBERLY MIDDLETON AND I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. AND I WILL SECOND THAT MOTION. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR INDICATE BY SAYING IMAC. [33.  Tourist Development Council Meeting Minutes May 7, 2025] [34.  Bid Opening Tabulations (K Smith)] WE HAVE THE LETTERS OF DOCUMENTATION FROM MAY 7TH. [PUBLIC COMMENTS] THE BID OPENING TABULATIONS AND AT OUR SECOND PUBLIC COMMENT AND I WILL OPEN IT NOW. IS THERE ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK FOR THAT, COME ON UP. >> REAL QUICK. A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO I WENT ON A RIDE WITH ANOTHER RYAN, I FORGET HIS LAST NAME. HE'S WITH PARKS AND WRECKS, ON A THURSDAY AFTERNOON. WE RODE LIKE 10 OR 12 MILES AND HAD A REALLY GOOD CONVERSATION. ONE OF THE BIG THINGS WE CAME UP WITH WAS TRYING TO GET CONNECTIONS WITH ALL THE DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES. KIND OF LIKE WHAT THE BBT HAS BEEN TRYING TO DO, THE BIKES, BYWAYS ENTRAILS COMMITTEE, BECAUSE WE HAVE SIDEWALKS THAT GO TO NOWHERE. I'M JUST PUTTING THAT OUT THERE. AND WITH THE RUSSELL BAPTIST CHURCH, I AM UP AT 7:45 EVERY SUNDAY, I'M ON THE PARKING TEAM AT RCC AND I PUT THE CONES UP. IS THERE A SECOND ENTRANCE AT THE RUSSELL BAPTIST CHURCH THAT THEY HAVE? I DON'T KNOW. WE DIRECT THE TRAFFIC AND IT GOES ALL THE WAY THROUGH TO THE THING. WE CALLED THE WHOLE PARKING LOT OFF SO THERE IS ONLY ONE DIRECTION IN THE WHOLE CHURCH. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY CAN DO TO HELP THAT SITUATION. THERE IS ONLY ONE WAY IN AND ONE WAY OUT IN OUR CHURCH. 1679 SHEDD ROAD, THE 20 ACRES NEXT TO US, WE HAVE BEEN KICKING PEOPLE OUT OF THERE. THERE IS POSSIBLE SQUATTERS WHO HAVE BEEN LIVING THERE AND I DON'T KNOW WHO WE NEED TO TALK TO ABOUT THAT. THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT TO SAY. THANKS A LOT. YOU'VE BEEN DOING GREAT. >> HEY, RYAN, ON THAT, BECAUSE I TEND TO HAVE A LOT OF SQUATTERS LIVING IN THE WOODS IN MY DISTRICT. YOU'VE GOT TO GET IN TOUCH WITH PROPERTY OWNERS AND IF THEY CAN PUT UP THE NO TRESPASSING SIGNS FROM THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, IF YOU GET THOSE SIGNS AND PUT THEM UP, THEN THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT CAN TRESPASS THEM. >> OKAY. I APPRECIATE THAT. >> WITH PRIVATE PROPERTY, THAT'S WHAT HAS TO HAPPEN. BEEDE ALSO I THINK IT IS 1713, I BELIEVE THEY HAVE A LEASE ON A PROPERTY AND THIS COULD BE CODE ENFORCEMENT, 1713 SHEDD ROAD, POSSIBLY RUNNING A HEAVY CONSTRUCTION BUSINESS OUT OF A RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY THEY DON'T OWN. [06:55:01] THAT IS JUST ONE THING, LIGHTING FIREWORKS OFF AT 2:00 IN THE MORNING. APPRECIATE ALL OF YOU GUYS. >> THANK YOU, HAVE A GOOD NIGHT. STEPHEN, COME ON UP. >> GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS, THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME SPEAK. I WANTED TO ENDORSE THE SPEED CHECK SIGNS THAT MR. RICHARD BROUGHT UP. THAT IS A FABULOUS IDEA. I THINK IT'S AMAZING. MAYBE NOT SO MUCH FOR TRYING TO CATCH PEOPLE BUT JUST REMINDING THEM, HEY, YOU ARE GOING TO PASS. MAYBE SOMEONE IS HAVING A BAD DAY AND NOT REALIZING THEY ARE GOING TOO FAST. I WAS GOING TO NOT ONLY ENDORSE IT BUT SUGGEST CANDLEWOOD DRIVE AND IF THEY GET TO THE POINT WHERE THEY WANT TO SAY, HOAS AND CDD'S, CAMERON OAKS WOULD PROBABLY LIKE TO HAVE ONE OR TWO. WE RECENTLY REDUCED OUR SPEED LIMIT DOWN TO 20 MILES PER HOUR. AND EVERY DAY I GO ON THERE AND REMIND OUR RESIDENTS, HEY, 20 MILES AN HOUR, SLOW DOWN, PLEASE. JUST WANTED TO PUT IN MY TWO CENTS. IT'S ABOUT ALL IT'S WORTH, ABOUT THE CHURCH MEETING THING. I KNOW THERE IS A LOT OF EMOTION AND A LOT OF IDEAS, I'M SORRY, THE WORDS ARE ESCAPING ME NOW. JUST A LOT OF FEELING AND HEAVY EMOTION ON THIS IDEA AND THE ROAD. I KNOW THIS CHURCH HAS BEEN THERE FOREVER AND I THINK WE NEED TO HONOR THAT AND I THINK IT IS A GOOD IDEA. I ALSO THINK THAT, HEY, THE COUNTY DEVELOPMENT IS MOVING WITH THE TIMES AND IF THE ROAD HAS TO CHANGE, MAYBE THE CHURCH HAS TO CHANGE, TO. IF THEY NEED TO DO A LITTLE BIT ON THEIR PART TO MAKE THEIR SITUATION BETTER WITH THE ROAD, THEN THEY HAVE TO DO THAT, TOO. I KNOW THAT IS NOT THE NICEST THING TO SAY AND I'M NOT TRYING TO BE THE MEAN GUY ABOUT IT BUT SOMETIMES A LITTLE TOUGH LOVE IS NECESSARY. AND LESLIE I JUST WANT TO SAY, THANK YOU FOR ALL YOU DO. I DON'T KNOW IF IT IS EVER SAID ENOUGH TO Y'ALL. NOT JUST TO BE A BROWN NOSE OR, TO THE PEOPLE WHO WORK IN GOVERNMENT, PEOPLE WHO WORK IN THE MILITARY AND FIRST RESPONDERS AND IN UNIFORM, OVERALL, THANK YOU, TO EVERYBODY. >> YOU SAY THAT YOU CAN'T SAY IT ENOUGH, YOU WANT TO SAY IT ONE MORE TIME? >> THANK YOU. YOU WILL DO A GOOD JOB. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, AGAIN. I CANNOT LEAVE AND NOT SAY THANK YOU AGAIN FOR Y'ALL TAKING THE TIME TO LISTEN AND HEAR ABOUT RUSSELL AND THE ENTRANCE AND STUFF. OBVIOUSLY WHEN WE HAD THE PICTURES UP ON THE SCREEN AND YOU WERE ABLE TO SEE WHERE THE U-TURN IS, IF THERE IS NO WAY TO MAKE THAT U-TURN SAFELY, IF THERE IS NOT A BUMP OUT, AND TRYING TO COME UP WITH SOME SOLUTION FOR ALL OF IT, BUT OBVIOUSLY THE LIMIT IS WITH THE COMMUNITY AND CROSS CREEK HAVING A PRIVATE ROAD. SO WE ALREADY SAW WHAT THAT WAS LIKE WITH THE TRAFFIC IN GLENN HAVING -- HAVEN WHEN THEY CLOSE DOWN THE ROAD AND THEY DID NOT WANT US COMING THROUGH. SANDRIDGE, THE PROJECT HAS BEEN TASKING AND I KNOW IT'S BEEN DIFFICULT ON EVERYBODY TRYING TO DO WHAT'S BEST AND MAKE THOSE DECISIONS. THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS THAT WERE MISSED, BUT WITH THAT, I WAS NOT AT THE TOWN HALL, I WISH I WOULD HAVE BEEN, BUT THERE ARE THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT NOW AND COME UP WITH THE BEST SOLUTIONS AND I HOPE THEY WOULD CONSIDER NO MEDIAN IN THE 200 FEET. IT SEEMS LIKE THE REASONABLE, AND EASIEST. BUT YET, THERE ARE SO MANY OTHER COMPLICATED THINGS WE DON'T GET ON THE SURFACE LEVEL. SO WE RESPECT THAT, TOO. THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING YOU DO, THE TIME Y'ALL SPENT ON EVERYTHING AND WE KNOW THERE ARE SO MANY PEOPLE THAT WORK SO HARD FOR OUR COUNTY AND WE [COUNTY ATTORNEY] TRULY DO APPRECIATE IT FROM THE HEART. >> ANYONE ELSE WANT TO SPEAK AT PUBLIC COMMENT. SEEING NONE, I WILL BRING IT BACK TO COMMISSION AUDITOR. COUNTY ATTORNEY. >> JUST QUICKLY, I HAD CONNECTION WITH THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATES RECOMMENDATION AND ONE OF THEM WAS TO DEVELOP A PROCEDURE TO FOLLOW FLORIDA STATUTE DEALING WITH QUASIJUDICIAL PROCEEDINGS. [07:00:04] STAFF AND I HAVE WORKED ON THAT AND GIVEN TO EACH OF YOU A DRAFT ON THAT. WE WILL BE BRINGING THAT BACK AT ONE OF THE FUTURE MEETINGS. THANK YOU. [COUNTY MANAGER] >> THANK YOU. >> MADAM CHAIR AND COMMISSIONERS, THIS SUNDAY, JUNE 1ST, START OF HURRICANE SEASON. I PLEASE, ENCOURAGE THE COMMUNITY TO GO TO THAT WEBSITE, LOTS OF GREAT INFORMATION. YOU CAN MOST IMPORTANTLY SIGN- UP TO STAY INFORMED. THAT IS ON THERE AND FOR THOSE, TO MAKE A DISASTER KIT OR KNOW WHICH EVACUATION OR FLOOD ZONE, THERE ARE MANY OTHER THINGS ON THE WEBSITE. PLEASE AM I HIGHLY ENCOURAGE CITIZENS TO FOLLOW THE FACEBOOK EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT. LET ME TELL YOU WHAT WE'VE DONE TO PREPARE FROM EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT. THIS PAST THURSDAY HURRICANE EXERCISE WAS CONDUCTED AND 75 MEMBERS FROM AGENCIES THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY THAT AT D.O.C. AND WENT THROUGH A HURRICANE THAT WOULD BE HITTING OUR AREA. THE PRECEDING WEEK TO THAT THERE WERE FIVE TABLETOPS CONDUCTED BY THE EM MANAGER AND HIS STAFF AND TEAM WITH PARTICIPANTS TO COVER WEATHER UPDATES, DEBRIS MANAGEMENT, IMPACTS TO HEALTH AND MEDICAL FACILITIES. SHELTERING AND EVACUATION AND MESSAGING. STAFF IS PREPARING COMMUNITY AND I HIGHLY ENCOURAGE THE COMMUNITY TO BE PREPARED FOR HURRICANE SEASON. FOR THOSE KEEPING TRACK OF THE NUMBERS, 13 TO 19 NAMED STORMS, 6 TO 10 HURRICANES AND 3 TO 5 MAJOR. IT DOES NOT MATTER WHAT THE NUMBERS ARE, IF THERE IS ONE HEADING OUR WAY AND IT HITS US, [COMMISSIONERS' COMMENTS] IT WILL IMPACT US AND WE NEED TO BE READY. >> ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE COUNTY MANAGER? >> CAN YOU PUT UP THE SLIDE? I'M GOING TO ASK THE COMMISSION TO SUPPORT THIS INITIATIVE. AND AS SOON AS TERESA GETS THE PICTURE UP. TODAY, IF WE HAVE DEBRIS ALONG THE HIGHWAY, THIS IS A PICTURE IN THE BEL AIR AREA OF MY DISTRICT. THERE ARE SEVEN MATTRESSES OUT THERE AND DEBRIS ALL OVER THE EDGE OF THE ROAD AND INTO THE ROAD. THE ONLY WAY WE CAN ADDRESS THAT IS THROUGH CODE ENFORCEMENT. OF COURSE THERE IS NOBODY LIVING THERE ANYMORE. THAT'S WHY HALF THE DEBRIS IS THERE. AND EVEN IF WE DO ADDRESS IT WITH STRICT CODE ENFORCEMENT, IT WOULD TAKE MONTHS TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM. YET WE HAVE NEIGHBORS THAT ARE DRIVING BY AND CONTRIBUTING TO THIS MESS. WHAT I'VE SPOKEN TO CHARLIE ABOUT IS, THAT IS IN OUR RIGHT AWAY. THERE MAY BE A WAY WE CAN DEVELOP AN ORDINANCE THAT IF YOU HAVE DEBRIS IN THE RIGHT AWAY, YOU CALL FOR PICKUP. IF YOU DON'T CALL FOR PICKUP, YOU HAVE ABOUT SEVEN DAYS, AND WE CAN'T USE COUNTY RESOURCES TO DO IT BUT WE CAN RAPIDLY CONTRACT WITH THE FCC TO PICK IT UP, WILL CHARGE US AND WE TURNED THE BILL AROUND TO THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY. IF THEY DON'T PAY IT WE CAN IMMEDIATELY PUT A LIEN ON THE PROPERTY. WE DON'T HAVE ANY MECHANISMS TO SOLVE THIS PROBLEM OTHER THAN USE COUNTY RESOURCES TO PICK IT UP. I'M GOING TO ASK YOUR SUPPORT TO DIRECT STAFF TO LOOK AT AN ORDINANCE TO DEAL WITH THE DEBRIS IN THE RIGHT AWAY. WE WANT THE OWNER TO REMOVE IT. IF THEY DON'T, WE WILL HAVE TO DO IT AT THEIR EXPENSE EVENTUALLY. THAT IS ONE THING. YOU TALK ABOUT CHURCHES AND RCC, RIGHT NOW, AT ANGLICAN AIKEN EXIT, BUT THEY WILL REROUTE OUR ROAD TO WHERE THE THERE IS NO KIRKLAND AND IT WILL NECESSITATE AN EXIT FROM GRACE ANGLICAN TO DO A U-TURN AND HEAD NORTH. I DON'T KNOW, THIS IS A NORMAL SITUATION AND IT HAPPENS ALL THE TIME. I DON'T KNOW WHY IT'S ALWAYS A CHURCH. BUT ANYWAY, AND THE LAST THING I HAVE, WE HAD SIGNIFICANT EVENTS IN THE LAST WEEK. WE CELEBRATED HOLIDAY, MEMORIAL DAY AND ALSO HAD A BIG FIRE AT ACE HARDWARE AND WE HAD AN INJURY. [07:05:05] JOHN COCHRAN, ONE OF OUR CLAY COUNTY FIREFIGHTERS, LUCKILY IT WAS JUST HEAT EXHAUSTION TYPE OF ISSUE AND HE IS OUT OF THE HOSPITAL AND RECOVERING THEM BACK ON DUTY. OUR PRAYERS ARE WITH HIM AND HIS FAMILY. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. >> I ECHO THE COMMENTS ABOUT ACE HARDWARE, IT IS IN MY DISTRICT AND I WAS GETTING NOTIFICATION PRETTY LATE INTO THE NIGHT AND INTO THE FOLLOWING MORNING. MY HEART GOES OUT TO ALL OF THOSE INVOLVED, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE IT WAS A FAMILY OWNED BUSINESS. THAT ALWAYS CUTS DEEP. SO, JUST HEARTFELT PRAYERS FOR ALL THOSE INVOLVED AND I'M SO GLAD TO HEAR THAT OUR OP FREFIGHTER IS BACK ON HIS FEET AND DOING BETTER. I'M JUST SO SAD AND JUST KNOW THAT OUR THOUGHTS ARE WITH YOU. BUT MORE THAN THAT, OUR PRAYERS ARE WITH YOU. HAVE A GOOD NIGHT. >> WE HAVE THE ANIMAL SERVICES GROUNDBREAKING SPRING, THAT WAS REALLY NICE AND WE'VE BEEN WAITING A LONG TIME FOR THAT. AND I KNOW ANOTHER FIREMAN THAT WAS HURT, HE WAS FROM THE BASE. THEY HAD COME TO HELP AND HE GOT HURT, HURT HIS SHOULDER. HAD SO MANY THERE HELPING. THAT WAS IT. I DO HAVE ONE COMMENT THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT, THIS IS WHY WE DON'T MAKE OUR MEETINGS LATER. >> RIGHT AFTER OUR LAST MEETING I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK AT A BRIDGE TO BRIDGE WITH THE CLAY CHAMBER. I GOT TO GIVE AN UPDATE TO THE COUNTY FOR THOSE WHO ATTENDED IT. THEN RIGHT AFTER THAT THERE WAS A BIG BOY SCOUT DINNER AND GALA SO CONGRATULATIONS TO OUR COUNTY MANAGER ON THAT, WELL DESERVED RECOGNITION. AND IT WAS MENTIONED EARLIER, THE RODEO WAS FANTASTIC, AND ONE THING, CLAY COUNTY LOVES RODEOS, DEMOLITION DERBIES AND MONSTER TRUCKS. ANYTHING LIKE THAT, IF YOU BRING IT TO CLAY YOU WILL DRAW A BIG CROWD. WENT TO THE MILITARY APPRECIATION LUNCHEON WHICH IS A GREAT EVENT. I WAS GIVEN THE LOW DOWN ON THAT YOUNG LADY THAT WAS 104 YEARS OLD. >> SHE WAS CODE BREAKER IN THE WESTERN PACIFIC. >> THAT WAS AWESOME. IT WAS REALLY GOOD TO SEE HER THERE. AND MEMORIAL DAY, THE TAPS MONUMENT, BEFORE 10:00 WE WENT TO THE TAPS MONUMENT AND THERE WAS A NICE THING GOING THERE COMMEMORATING THE MONUMENT. AND LAST THING I'LL SAY, WHILE THIS MEETING WAS LONG, TONIGHT IS HOW PUBLIC GOVERNMENT IS SUPPOSED TO WORK. SOMETIMES IT IS MESSY AND WE HAVE HEATED DEBATE AND SOMETIMES WE MAY NOT AGREE, BUT THIS IS HOW IT IS SUPPOSED TO BE DONE AND I WANT TO THANK ALL THE MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY THAT ATTENDED TONIGHT, AND AS ALWAYS, MY COLLEAGUES FOR NAVIGATING THESE SITUATIONS. THANKS. >> THE FAIR IS STARTING DRIVING MOVIES EVERY FRIDAY NIGHT IN JUNE. IT WILL BE OUT IN THE BIG AREA AND ON YOUR RADIO. THERE WILL BE AN AREA FOR KIDS. EVERY FRIDAY NIGHT IN JUNE AT THE FAIR. >> ALL RIGHT. AND I HAD TO GIGGLE AT THE MILITARY APPRECIATION LUNCHEON WHEN JOHN CANTRELL SAID, ALL VETERANS FROM WORLD WAR II, THEY HONORED HER AND THEY SAID, STAND UP, AND SHE SAID, I CAN'T. 104? I CAN'T BLAME HER. >> I INTERVIEWED HER TO BE A GUEST SPEAKER AND THEY TOLD ME SHE WAS 100. SO I WENT DOWN TO INTERVIEW HER AND SAID, I UNDERSTAND HER YOU WERE 100, AND SHE SAID, I'M 101. >> SHE IS A GOOD ONE. I ECHO ALL OF YOU AND WILL KEEP SOME OF MY COMMENTS BRIEF FOR THE SAKE OF TIME. AFTER THE MILITARY APPRECIATION LUNCHEON, THE SHERIFF, CHIEF MARK AND I ALL WENT DOWN TO DOWNTOWN JACKSONVILLE. [07:10:05] THE SHERIFF WAS GIGGLING. SHE WAS GOING TO GIVE ME A RIDE. SHE SAID, DO YOU KNOW WHERE YOU ARE GOING? I TOLD HER AND SHE WAS ABOUT TO ASK ME IF I NEEDED A RIDE AND SHE WAS ON THE PHONE, A VERY IMPORTANT PHONE CALL, I DON'T KNOW THAT I SHOULD DISCLOSE WHO SHE WAS ON THE PHONE CALL WITH. AND BY THE TIME SHE GOT BACK TO ME, SHE SAID, DO YOU KNOW WHERE YOU'RE GOING? I SAID, NO, BUT MY GPS DOES. I THINK SHE WAS WORRIED I WOULD NOT SHOW UP, BUT I DID. BUT SHE AND HER STAFF HAD THE OUTSTANDING LAW ENFORCEMENT AWARDS, SO MOVING AND SO WONDERFUL. AND OUR LIEUTENANTS FROM THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WHO HAD RESCUED THE LITTLE GIRL WITH THE BOAT ACCIDENT WERE HONORED AND THEIR FAMILIES WERE THERE AS WELL AS OUR STAFF AND THERE WAS A DETECTIVE FROM THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE AND I WILL NOT SHARE HIS NAME, I DON'T KNOW IF HE WORKS UNDERCOVER, BUT HE WAS HONORED FOR THE WORK HE DID FOR CHILD PROTECTION ON THE TASK FORCE, SO, JUST GREAT PUBLIC SERVICE WE HAVE HERE AND FINALLY, MY HEARTFELT THANKS TO OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT AND LEADERSHIP AND WHEN ACE HARDWARE CAUGHT ON FIRE AND HEARING HOW MANY DIFFERENT AGENCIES WERE THERE AND THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENS, THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THEM. THAT'S WHY OUR FOLKS GO WHERE THEY HAVE ISSUES. TO THE COUNTY MANAGER'S POINT, WITH HURRICANES, I HEARD A NOAA WEATHER METEOROLOGIST LAST YEAR SPOKE, HE MAY HAVE BEEN AT THE REGIONAL COUNCIL, AND HE SAID, YOU KNOW THE WORST HURRICANE, HE SAID SOME OF THE ONE THAT HITS YOUR HOUSE. IT DOESN'T MATTER IF IT IS A CATEGORY 1 OR CATEGORY 5 OR WHATEVER. YOUR HOUSE CATCHES ON FIRE, YOU WANT A FIREFIGHTER TO SHOW UP, YOU DON'T CARE IF THEY ARE IN A CLAY COUNTY UNIFORM, OR ORANGE PARK. ALL THESE PEOPLE CAME TOGETHER AND WE ARE SO GREAT FULL FOR ALL OF OUR PUBLIC SERVANTS. AND WITH THAT, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE FOR THE GOOD OF THE ORDER? * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.