Apr 01, 2025 Planning Commission

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>>> TOO MANY THINGS TO REMEMBER. WELCOME TO THE CLAY COUNTY LEARNING COMMISSION OF APRIL THE FIRST, 2025. THE MEETING IS NOW CALLED TO ORDER. COMMISSIONER ANZALONE WILL LEAD US IN THE

PLEDGE. >> I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION, UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH

LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. >> MY NAME IS PETE DAVIS. AND I AM THE CHAIRMAN OF THE CLAY COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION.

MINUTES FOR TONIGHT'S MEETING WILL BE TAKEN BY CHRISTINE BLANCHETTE, RECORDING SECRETARY FROM THE CLERK OF THE COURT'S OFFICE. THANK YOU, CHRISTINE. WOULD TO SEE YOU AGAIN. OTHER STAFF MEMBERS PRESENT, WE HAVE BETH CARSON, DIRECTOR OF PLANNING AND ZONING, SAMANTHA OLSON, PLANNING, WE HAVE ED DINDOR, DIRECTOR OF CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS. THERE HE IS. WE ALSO HAVE COURTNEY GRAHAM , CLAY COUNTY LEGAL DEPARTMENT, AND JAMIE, ASSISTANT COUNTY ATTORNEY. LET'S SEE, WHERE ARE WE? ARE DEPUTIES TONIGHT ARE SERGEANT BAGLEY, AND I THINK DEPUTY SCHOONER IS GOING TO BE HERE LATER. OKAY. MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS ON MY RIGHTS, WE HAVE VICE CHAIRMAN COMMISSIONER BO NORTON. COMMISSIONER MARY BRIDGMAN, I SERVED AT BLUE CROSS WITH HER FOR 40 YEARS. ON MY LEFT IS MICHAEL BARRE, AND OUR SCHOOL BOARD MEMBER , JOE. YEAH. I'VE BEEN HERE ALMOST ALL DAY.

SO -- OUR SCHOOL BOARD REPRESENTATIVE IS NOT HERE TONIGHT. OKAY. THE CLAY COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION DECISIONS ADVISORY BOARD TO THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS, MOST OF THE DECISION MADE BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION OUR RECOMMENDATIONS. -- TO THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS, THE BOARD COMMONLY KNOWN AS THE DCC.

FINA SAY AT THE MEETING THE SECOND TUESDAY ONE WEEK FROM TODAY , OR BEFORE TUESDAY, THREE WEEKS FROM TODAY. THE DCC MEETING STARTS AT 4:00 P.M. ZONING AND LAND-USE STARTING AT 5:00 P.M., PLEASE CHECK THE DCC AGENDA ON THE CLAY COUNTY WEBSITE FOR AGENDA ITEMS IF YOU ARE INTERESTED. IF THERE IS ANY ITEM ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA THAT YOU WISH TO SPEAK ABOUT, PLEASE FILL OUT A CARD. AND I HAVE ONE PERSON, I WILL GET A CARD FROM HER. GIVE IT TO MS. BLANCHETTE. THE COMMISSIONS, DECISIONS ARE ADVISORY TO THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS. THE PROCESS FOR THE MEETING WILL BE, EACH ITEM ON THE PUBLIC HEARING AGENDA WILL BE PRESENTED BY A MEMBER OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING DEPARTMENT AS FAR AS PRESENTATION STANDPONTS, THEY RECOMMEND APPROVAL. OTHER REQUESTED LAND-USE, ZONING OR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE CHANGE, NEXT, THE APPLICANT WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK. FOLLOWING THE PRESENTATION, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC CAN OFFER THEIR VIEWS. IF YOU WISH TO SPEAK, FILL OUT A CARD. IF YOU AREN'T SURE -- LET'S SEE. LATER , IN A FEW MINUTES, MS. BLANCHETTE WILL ISSUE THE OATH . FOR ANYBODY -- FOR ALL PEOPLE WHO WISH TO SPEAK AT THIS MEETING. IF YOU ARE NOT SURE IF YOU WISH TO SPEAK, GO AHEAD AND TAKE THE OATH. YOUR SPEAKING TIME WILL BE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES. THE LIGHTS WILL HELP YOU KEEP TRACK. IF IT TURNS RED, YOU ARE DONE. THE TIME IS FOUR STATING YOUR BUSINESS, NOT FOR ASKING QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT, MEMBERS OF STAFF OR COMMISSIONERS. YOUR COMMENTS RB -- TO BE DIRECTED TO PLANNING COMMISSION'S. THE STAFF AND THE PUBLIC HAVE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY -- A CHANCE TO STATE THEIR NEWS, IT WILL BE CLOSED TO THE PUBLIC. THE APPLICANT WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO RESPOND TO COMMENTS OR THE PUBLIC. AT THE TIME, COMMISSIONERS -- AFTER THAT TIME, COMMISSIONERS WILL DISCUSS THE MATTER IF NECESSARY AND RULE OUR DECISION. AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR AND COMMEND YOU FOR ANTICIPATING IN OUR PROCESS.

ALL RIGHT. GET INTO THE AGENDA RIGHT OFF THE BAT. WHAT DO I DO WITH IT? ME AND THAT MICROPHONE HAVE A HARD TIME TONIGHT. OKAY.

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TOUCHUP BY MYSELF HERE. >>> TO START OFF WITH, PLEASE

[1.  Approval of Minutes]

PLEASE DO SO QUIETLY. FIRST ITEM FOR THE ACTION BY THE COMMISSION IS APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FOR MARCH THE FOURTH MEETING OF THE

PLANNING COMMISSION. >> MOTION --

>> MOTION, SECOND. MOTION MADE AND SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION?

THOSE IN FAVOR SAY I. >> THOSE OPPOSED SAY -- OKAY.

MINUTES ARE PAST. NEXT ON THE AGENDA IS THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD. ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC CAN COMMENT ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA. PERTINENT TO THE BUSINESS PLANNING COMMISSION. AT THIS TIME, I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD. NO ONE IS COMING FORWARD FOR THAT. SO I WILL PULL THAT. SINCE WE ONLY HAVE ONE CITIZEN, ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH THE WHOLE PROCESS? OKAY. IF YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH THE PROCESS AS FAR AS WHO SPEAKS FIRST , THEN I WILL GO INTO THAT MUCH FURTHER. IT'S TIME TO GIVE

THE OATH. OKAY. >> RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. DO YOU

[1.  Public Hearing to consider transmittal of COMP 25-0008. (S. Olsen)]

>> YES. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> ALL RIGHT. MS. OLSON, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.

>> HELLO. I AM HERE TO PRESENT COMP 25-0008 . SO, THIS IS A COUNTY INITIATED APPLICATION TO AMEND THE LEVEL OF SERVICE STANDARDS FOR SANITARY SEWER, SOLID WASTE, POTABLE WATER AND DRAINAGE FACILITIES. THEY ARE REFERENCED IN THE COMMUNITY FACILITIES ELEMENT 1.1.1, AND THEY ARE ALSO UPDATING THE DATES OF THE CLAY COUNTY WATER SUPPLY FACILITIES WORK PLAN WHICH ARE REFERENCED IN COMMUNITY FACILITIES ELEMENT 1.1 POINT 13.

IT'S GOING TO THE BCC TRANSMITTAL HEARING APRIL 18TH.

WE ESTIMATE IT WILL BE APPROVED BY THE STATE SO WE WILL THEN RETURN TO THE BCC ON MAY 27TH. SO, THE FIRST AMENDMENT THAT IS PROPOSED, THESE ARE THE UPDATED FIGURES. WE GOT THESE FROM CCU A. ONE -- ONLY ONE IN THREE WERE CHANGED. THE REST STAYED THE SAME. ONLY SANITARY, SEWER AND POTABLE WATER. THOSE ARE THE ONLY ONES THAT HAD UPDATED NUMBERS. THE REST REMAIN THE SAME. OKAY. AND THEN, THE NEXT POLICY, 1.1.13, THAT IS JUST THE YEAR OF THE WORK PLAN BEING UPDATED FROM 2018 -- 2030 UNTIL 2035. STAFF RECOMMENDS TRANSMITTAL OF COMP PLAN

25-0008. >> ANY QUESTIONS?

>> SO, CCUA IS MAKING THE RECOMMENDATION FOR THIS CHANGE?

>> STATE STATUTE SAYS WITHIN 18 MONTHS OF THE WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT APPROVING THEIR REPORT THAT WE HAVE TO UPDATE OUR COMP PLAN. IT WAS UPDATED TO NOVUS. IT IS THE WATER SUPPLY PLAN. AND THAT -- THOSE WERE ALL THE UPDATED FIGURES ARE COMING FROM

-- >> SO, THE GALLONS PER DAY, THE ADJUSTMENT, THE TWO ITEMS THAT YOU MENTIONED, THEY ARE INCREASES. WHAT DOES THAT -- DOES NOT INCREASE PIPE SIZING?

>> I DON'T THINK SO. HONESTLY. SO, TO MEMBERS OF CCUA ARE GOING TO BE HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS ABOUT ALL THE TECHNICAL ASPECTS BECAUSE REALLY WHAT WE ARE JUST PRESENTING IS THE PLAN LANGUAGE

, NOT THE CHANGING ITSELF. >> OKAY. THANK YOU.

>> ANYBODY ELSE? >> YEAH, REALLY QUICKLY. ARE

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AS WELL? >> YES, SIR. SO IT -- PART OF THE STATE STATUTE IS THE WORK PLAN IS REQUIRED TO ACCOUNT FOR BOTH CURRENT DEVELOPMENT AND FUTURE DEVELOPMENT FOR AT LEAST A 10 YEAR PERIOD. SO, THESE ARE THE MINIMUM STANDARDS FOR THE 10

YEARS -- YES, SIR. >> OKAY. THANK YOU.

>> ANYBODY ELSE? >> I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION. I THINK MISTER BOURRE MIGHT BE ABLE TO ANSWER THIS. THOSE NUMBERS ARE FOR INDIVIDUAL HOMES OR WHAT?

>> 311 GALLONS PER DAY IS A RESIDENTIAL -- I ASSUME IS A RESIDENTIAL REQUIREMENT. I THINK JERRY WILL PROBABLY COME FROM CCUA. I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR THE RESPONSE TO THAT .

>> I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE HIM HERE.

>> IT WOULD HAVE BEEN GOOD TO HAVE HIM. BUT ON THE SCREEN --

INAUDIBLE ] >> OH, IS THAT WHAT THAT MEANS? OKAY. BUT IT -- BECAUSE THE ONE QUESTION I WOULD LIKE TO ASK OF CCUA, IT SEEMS LIKE 21 OR 20 PSI IS PRETTY LOW PRESSURE FOR WATER. THAT'S ALL THEY ARE REQUIRED TO PROVIDE?

>> YEAH, I CAN'T ANSWER THAT. THAT'S OUTSIDE OF MY DAILY

WEIGHT. >> THAT SOUNDS A LITTLE SUSPECT.

>> BUT, YEAH. CERTAINLY IF CCUA IS GOING TO BE HERE FOR THE BCC MEETING THEN I AM SURE OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS WILL ASK THOSE QUESTIONS. BECAUSE I'M JUST CURIOUS ABOUT THAT. YEAH, I

DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. >> OKAY, WITH NO MORE QUESTIONS I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. ANYBODY HAVE ANY CARDS ON THIS? ANYONE WANT TO TALK ABOUT WATER? NOBODY IS COMING FORWARD, SO I

WILL CLOSE THAT. SO, DO WE -- >> I MAKE A MOTION -- YEAH, I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO TRANSMIT. IS THAT WHAT WE ARE DOING?

>> I WILL SECOND. >> WE HAVE A MOTION SECONDED.

ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. THOSE OPPOSED, SEEMS FINE. OKAY. THANK YOU, MS. OLSON.

[2.  Public Hearing to consider transmittal of COMP 25-0007. (B. Carson)]

>> CARSON PLANNING AND ZONING DIRECTOR, THIS ITEM IS COMP

25-0007. >> THIS ITEM IS COMP 25-0007.

IT'S A PUBLIC HEARING. THIS IS A COUNTY INITIATED APPLICATION TO AMEND THE HEIRS EXEMPTIONS IN 1.9.6. THIS IS A BCC TRANSMITTAL HEARING . IT WILL BE NEXT TUESDAY, APRIL EIGHTH. AND THERE WILL BE A COMPANION APPLICATION WHICH WILL FOLLOW RIGHT AFTER THIS ONE FOR THE AMENDMENT TO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE THAT IS ZONED 25-3 WHICH IS ALSO GOING TO GO TO THE BCC BUT IT'S GOING TO FOLLOW THIS APPLICATION COMING BACK FROM THE STATE. THIS WILL BE HEARD BY THE BCC. THE ZONING WILL BE HEARD BY THE BCC IN MAY. SO, THIS IS A FUTURE LAND USE POLICY 1.9.6. AND COMPREHENSIVE PLAN POLICY SHOULD BE A LITTLE MORE GENERAL IN NATURE. AND BECAUSE THIS WAS PROMPTED BY A REQUEST TO INCLUDE ERRORS EXEMPTION OPPORTUNITY IN BRANDER FIELD , LAKE ASBURY MASTER PLANS WHICH NEVER INCLUDED THAT OPPORTUNITY, WE ARE TRYING TO MAKE THIS POLICY MORE GENERAL. BECAUSE YOU SEE IT IS ONLY AG RESIDENTIAL, RURAL RESIDENTIAL, LET'S SEE, RURAL FRINGE, URBAN FRINGE, THOSE ARE JUST THE GENERAL CATEGORIES.

THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE THE BRENNAN FIELD STANDARD. SO, WE ARE REMOVING THIS SPECIFIC LAND USE CLASSIFICATION POLICY OUT FROM THIS COMP PLAN POLICY. AND WE HAVE THE GENERAL INTENT, WHICH IT SHOULD BE, AND THAT LANGUAGE IS ALREADY IN OUR

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STAFF RECOMMENDS TRANSMITTAL OF COMP 25-0007. THE CAC VOTED 6-0, SORRY, TO RECOMMEND IN FAVOR OF THIS ERRORS EXEMPTION AMENDMENT, BUT THEY HAD A FURTHER RECOMMENDATION TO REMOVE THE MAXIMUM LOT SIZE STANDARD WHICH WAS IN THIS POLICY, THE VERY LAST LINE INCLUDED THE MAXIMUM LOT SIZE AND WE WILL BE ADDRESSING THAT IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. I WANTED TO BRING THAT TO YOUR ATTENTION, THAT'S WHAT THEY RECOMMENDED.

MISTER RYAN IS HERE FROM THE CAC IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

>> ANY QUESTIONS, STAFF? >> MRS. CARSON, JUST FOR THE EDIFICATION OF THE BOARD, COULD YOU GIVE US A BRIEF DESCRIPTION OF WHAT THE ERRORS EXEMPTION IS?

>> CERTAINLY. THE ERRORS EXEMPTION ALLOWS FOR A PROPERTY OWNER TO CUT OFF A SMALL PIECE OF LAND AND GIVE IT TO AN HEIR.

IT HAS TO BE A SON, A DAUGHTER, RELATIVE. THE EXEMPTION IS THE LOT SIZE IS GOING TO BE SMALLER THAN WHAT LAND USE CLASSIFICATION WOULD TYPICALLY REQUIRE. SO, THAT IS THE PURPOSE OF IT. THE INTENT IS FOR THE HEIR TO BUILD THEIR HOMESTEAD ON

IT. >> IF THIS NEW LANGUAGE GETS APPROVED, DOES THAT LIMIT IN ANY WAY A PARENT TO BE ABLE TO CUT OFF A PORTION OF THE PROPERTY AND ALLOW THEIR CHILD -- DOES

THIS LIMIT THEM IN ANY WAY? >> NO. THIS IS EXPANDING IT SO IT CAN BE AN OPPORTUNITY IN THE BRANDON FIELD AND LAKE ASBURY AREA. IT WAS NOT EXTENDED WHEN THEY ADOPTED THE TWO MASTER PLANS. THEY DID NOT INCLUDE THE OPPORTUNITY IN THOSE EXEMPTIONS.

>> MY LAST QUERY, MISTER CHAIR, ARE THERE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES? IS THERE ANY POTENTIAL NEGATIVE EFFECT WITH

THIS? >> I DON'T THINK SO. THE IDEA IS, IT IS TO BE USED ONLY FOR ONE HEIR. IT IS NOT TO BE ABUSED AND USED MULTIPLE TIMES FOR ONE HEIR. I THINK IT IS, YOU KNOW, A

GOOD OPPORTUNITY TO EXTEND. >> I LOVE THE CONCEPT. AND I THINK FOLKS WHO OWN THEIR PROPERTY AND WANT TO CHOP OFF A PIECE FOR THEIR CHILD, THAT'S A GREAT THING. AND SO, I AM OBVIOUSLY SUPPORT THIS -- I JUST KIND OF LIKE TO SEE BOTH SIDES BEFORE WE MAKE THE BOAT. THANK YOU, APPRECIATE IT.

>> MISTER CHAIR, I CAN ADJUST THE COMMISSIONER A LITTLE BIT ON THIS. I THINK WE TIGHTENED THIS UP A LITTLE BIT OVER THE YEARS BECAUSE THERE WERE EXAMPLES OF THIS BEING USED. I THINK WHAT WE ARE BEING ASKED TO DO HERE IS SIMPLY MAKE IT AVAILABLE TO MORE PEOPLE IN THE COUNTY. BUT THERE WAS A SUBDIVISION ON STATE COUNTY ROAD 209. IT WAS BASICALLY BUILT ONE LOT AT A TIME LIKE THIS. AND IT WAS A TOTAL MISUSE. THERE ARE A COUPLE LOTS WITHIN 500 FEET OF MY HOME THAT THEY DID THIS WITH. WHICH, I DON'T THINK THEY HELD OFF LONG ENOUGH TO MEET THE CURRENT REQUIREMENTS. THEY TURNED AROUND AND SOLD THEM AS LOTS. SO, IT HAS THE POTENTIAL TO BE ABUSED IF NOT POLICED. BUT PEOPLE, A LOT OF PEOPLE USE IT. IT'S A GOOD THING. I DON'T OBJECT TO IT. BUT YES, THERE ARE INTENDED CONSEQUENCES SOMETIMES WITH

THIS. >>

>> COMMISSIONER? >> YES. DOES THE USE OF THE PROPERTY LIKE THIS -- IT STILL HAS TO CONFORM TO THE PERCENTAGES VIA THE SIZE OF THE LOT, CORRECT? SO SOMEONE WHO HAS A REALLY SMALL LOT , LIKE LET'S SAY THEY HAVE HALF AN ACRE OR A LITTLE LESS THAN HALF AN ACRE AND THEY WANT TO CARVE OFF A PIECE BUT THE HOUSE IS 2500 SQUARE FEET. THEY CANNOT ACTUALLY DO THAT FOR ONE OF THEIR CHILDREN, OR A PARENT OR GRANDPARENT. CORRECT? I AM SAYING -- WHAT IS IT, 50% NOW?

>> I THINK WHAT YOU ARE ASKING, JOE, THIS IS JUST CHANGING THE LANGUAGE AND THE FLUID INCLUDING -- WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT IS

IN THE NEXT ITEM, ALL OF THAT. >> I AM AHEAD OF MYSELF. I KNOW YOU WANT TO GET OUT OF HERE. YOU HAVE TO HURRY.

>> NO, I JUST WANT TO ASK THE QUESTION, THAT'S ALL.

>> YOU ARE RIGHT. HE HAS BEEN VERY VOCAL ABOUT THAT.

>> BASEBALL. >> ONE QUESTION, YOU SAID SOMETHING IN RESPONSE TO COMMISSIONER BOURRE'S QUESTION.

IF HE HAS THREE KIDS OR TWO KIDS, IS THIS A ONE TIME DEAL,

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>> HE CAN CUT OFF FOR EACH OF HIS KIDS.

>> OKAY. >> IN THEORY, IT SHOULD BE ONE FOR EACH KID. YOU SHOULDN'T BE -- IT SHOULD BE THERE ONE HOME SIDE. THEY CONTACT ECKLEY ONLY LIVE IN ONE PLACE. THAT'S THE INTENT, IS THAT WOULD BE THERE HOMESITE.

>> I UNDERSTAND. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY. SINCE WE DON'T HAVE ANYONE WISHES TO SPEAK ON ITEM NUMBER TWO. IF NOT , I WILL

CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. >> MOTION TO APPROVE.

>> SECOND. >> ALL RIGHT. I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE. I HAVE COMP 25-0007. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

[3.  Public Hearing to consider ZON 25-0003. (B. Carson)]

MS. CARSON, YOU HAVE COMP PLAN -- OR ZON 25-0003.

>> OKAY. THIS IS THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE CHANGE THAT WOULD CORRESPOND WITH THE PLAN AMENDMENT. AGAIN, IF THE COUNTY INITIATED APPLICATION. AND THIS WOULD BE AMENDING ARTICLE 3 SECTION 3-10 G TO ALLOW THE OPPORTUNITY FOR SUCH LOTS FOR HEIRS LOTS IN THE MASTER PLAN AREAS. AGAIN, THIS WAS PROMPTED BY CITIZEN REQUEST. THERE ARE TWO STEPS TO THIS AMENDMENT WHICH WE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT. THE FIRST IS THE BCC TRANSMITTAL, AND THE SECOND IS THE CODE CHANGE. AND THE END RESULT OF THIS WOULD ALLOW FOR HEIRS EXEMPTIONS IN BRANDON FIELD MPC MASTER COMMUNITY, THE LAKE ASBURY RURAL COMMUNITY, LAKE ASBURY RURAL FRINGE, LAKE ASBURY RURAL RESERVE, AND MASTER-PLANNED COMMUNITY IN ADDITION TO ALL THE OTHER PREVIOUSLY STATED LAND-USE LOTS OF OCCASIONS THAT I JUST MENTIONED IN THE OTHER ONE. THE MAXIMUM LOT SIZES WERE ELIMINATED BASED ON THE COMMENTS FROM THE LAKE ASBURY CAC WHEN THEY HEARD THIS. AND THIS CHANGE WILL ALSO ADD CLARIFYING LANGUAGE REGARDING DEED AND LEGAL DESCRIPTION REGARDING THE TRANSFERS PARCEL. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE SEE THEIR LEGAL DESCRIPTION AND DEED ARE AFTER THEY TRANSFER THIS LAND. AND IT ALSO WILL REMOVE SOME REVISION REFERENCES AND CORRECT SOME MINOR GRAMMATICAL ERRORS. THE STAFF REPORT HAS THE FULL SECTION OF THE CODE IF YOU HAVE ANY CHANGES. IF YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS ABOUT THE CHANGES THAT WERE INCLUDED IN THE STAFF REPORT. WITH THAT , STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ZON 25-0003 SUBJECT TO COMP 2507 BY THE BOARD. AND AGAIN, THE LAKE ASBURY CAC HAD THE COMMENT ABOUT REMOVING THE MAXIMUM LOT SIZE.

IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS ONE --

>> ANY QUESTIONS FROM STAFF? >> MISTER CHAIR, AS ALWAYS, I WILL KICK THE QUESTIONS OFF. MRS. CARSON, I'M JUST CURIOUS.

WHAT IS THE DURATION OR RETENTION TIME FOR THE PARCEL? SO, IF A PARCEL IS CARVED FOR ONE OF THE CHILDREN, HOW LONG DOES THAT CHILDREN -- I'M SORRY, CHILD NEED TO RESIDE IN THE HOME BEFORE THEY ARE ABLE TO SELL IT ? IS IT TWO YEARS? OKAY, I JUST MISSED THAT IN THE REPORT. I APOLOGIZE.

>> WELL, IT'S TWO YEARS IF THEY BUILD A HOME. IF THEY DON'T BUILD A HOME ON IT, IT'S FIVE YEARS.

>> RAW DIRT? >> RAW DIRT HAS GOT TO BE FIVE YEARS. AND THERE IS AN EXEMPTION FOR THEIR EXCEPTION FOR SOMEONE BEING TRANSFERRED FOR A JOB OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT . BUT THEY HAVE TO FILE AN AFFIDAVIT SAYING THAT.

>> IF I COULD JUST ASK A FOLLOW-UP CLARIFYING QUESTION, LET'S SAY IT'S A 50 ACRE PARCEL. AND JUST FOR EASY MATH, THEY HAVE TWO CHILDREN, AND THEY DIVIDE THOSE PARCELS UP, SO TWO OF THE 25 ACRE PARCELS. AND THEY HOLD THEM FOR TWO YEARS. ARE THEY ABLE TO THEN ASSUMING THEY GO THROUGH REZONING, LAND-USE AND CHANGES, CAN THEY DO SOMETHING ELSE WITH THAT PARCEL AFTER THE TWO-YEAR WINDOW, OR ARE THEY HELD TO WHAT THAT IS? -- THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS, OBVIOUSLY, OF CHANGING

IT. >> TWO YEARS, THEY SHOULD BE BUILDING IT FOR THERE HOMESITE. IF THEY DON'T, THEN IT SHOULD HAVE TO WAIT THE FIVE YEARS BEFORE THEY CAN DO SOMETHING DIFFERENTLY BECAUSE AT THAT POINT YOU THINK YOU'RE

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>> I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY KNOW, YOU KNOW, CLEARLY IT IS AND I JUST MISSED IT, IT'S A TWO-YEAR HOLDER FIVE-YEAR-OLD DEPENDING ON WHAT YOU'RE DOING.

>> I THINK YOUR QUESTION IS, IT BECOMES A LOT OF RECORD AT THAT POINT. IS THAT CORRECT? EVEN IF IT IS SMALLER THAN WHAT WOULD BE ALLOWED, IT'S A LOT OF RECORD. SO, THEY COULD SELL IT TO SOMEBODY ELSE AFTER THOSE TIME PERIODS EXPIRE. BUT I THINK IT WILL -- IF IT WAS RAW DIRT, SOMEBODY COULD PUT A HOME ON IT.

BUT YOU COULD NOT PUT A SUBDIVISION ON IT UNLESS IT WAS

A BIG PIECE OF PROPERTY. >> CORRECT ME IF I AM WRONG, MRS. CARSON, IF THEY SELL IT, THEY LOSE THEIR HEIRS

STIPULATION EXEMPTION? >> THAT'S CORRECT.

>> -- SO IT WOULD FALL UNDER ZONING REGULATIONS OF THE COUNTY AT THAT TIME. WHATEVER THEY WANT TO BUILD AT THAT PARTICULAR TIME . THEY CAN -- I THINK THEY CAN -- IF THEY BUILD A HOUSE ON IT, THEY HAVE TO LIVE IN IT. THEY CAN'T BUILD IT FOR A RENTAL PROPERTY OR SOMETHING OF THAT EFFECT. THAT THEY HAVE TO PHYSICALLY LIVE IN IT IN ORDER TO RETAIN THEIR HEIRS EXEMPTION.

>> TO YOUR QUESTION, THAT MAY HAVE BEEN WHY THE ONE ACRE MAXIMUM WAS APPLIED TO THE LOT. SO THAT -- BECAUSE IN PARTICULAR IT WAS IN THE AG- AR AND RURAL SECTION. SO THAT, LET'S SAY YOU HAVE 100 ACRES OUT THERE IN AG YOU WANT TO GIVE TO YOUR KIDS, YOU COULD ONLY GIVE A ONE ACRE PARCEL. SO IT DOESN'T MATTER IF YOU ARE GIVING A FUTURE PEACE TO SUBDIVIDED OR WHATEVER LATER.

SO, IT WAS LITERALLY FOR THAT HOMESITE. IT WASN'T INTENDING

IT TO BE DEVELOPABLE. >> THAT'S AN INTERESTING POINT.

>> AT THEIR RECOMMENDATION, AT THE CAC'S RECOMMENDATION THAT

WENT OUT -- >> I DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE THAT CONCERN WITH THE CAC. I JUST WANTED A BETTER UNDERSTANDING, YOU KNOW, JUST FROM AN EDUCATION STANDPOINT ON

HOW THAT WORKED. >> MISTER CHAIR, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THAT QUESTION TO THE CAC. WHY? BECAUSE I HAVE NOT REALLY THOUGHT ABOUT WHY THE ONE ACRE LIMIT WAS THERE UNTIL ASKING MS. CARSON. THAT'S TO PREVENT SOMEONE FROM TAKING A BIG CHUNK OF PROPERTY AND RUNNING IT THROUGH A BACKDOOR INTO

DEVELOPMENT. >> WE WILL GET TO THAT AT OPEN

-- AT PUBLIC COMMENTS. >> I THOUGHT IT WAS A MINIMUM AS

WELL. LET ME GO BACK IN. >> THERE IS A MINIMUM.

>> THERE IS A MAXIMUM ON -- >>

>> I APOLOGIZE. IT IS NOT IN AG AND AR. IT IS IN URBAN FRIENDS AND URBAN COURT, WHICH IS YOUR MORE URBANIZED AREA. EVEN AN ACRE COULD BE SPLIT UP SUBSTANTIALLY IN THOSE CATEGORIES BECAUSE YOU HAVE HIGHER DENSITY. SO, THANK YOU. I

APPRECIATE THAT. >> I HAVE ONE QUESTION. YOU HAVE A STIPULATION IN HERE FOR SERVING IN THE SERVICE

EXEMPTION. >> CORRECT. IF YOU NEED TO

LEAVE. THAT -- >> I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU MEAN BY IF HE HAS TO LEAVE. NORMALLY, LIKE I SERVED 21 YEARS. I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY YEARS OUT OF THE SERVICE I HAVE TO COME BACK AND DO SOMETHING WITH MY HEIR EXEMPTION OR DO I LOSE IT AFTER FIVE YEARS? HOW DOES

THAT WORK? >> WELL, I'M READING UP ON

THAT. I APOLOGIZE -- >> A MILITARY MEMBER, HE IS GONE . IF HE IS CAREER MILITARY LIKE FOR 20 YEARS , AND HE ALL OF A SUDDEN INHERITS PROPERTY, AND THE HEIRS EXEMPTION IS FOR FIVE YEARS, IT SAYS HERE, HEIRS SERVING IN THE BRANCH THE FORCE OF THE UNITED STATES BY REASON OF SUCH SERVICE IS ENABLED TO RESIDE ON THE LOT. SO HE IS OUT THERE SERVING HIS COUNTRY FOR 20 YEARS, DOES HE RETAIN THE HEIRS EXEMPTION FOR

20 YEARS? >> YOU MISSED THE FIRST SENTENCE OF THE PARAGRAPH. IT SAYS THE LOT SHALL RETAIN ITS HEIRS EXEMPTION STATUS IN THE EVENT OF THE HEIR SERVING IN THE ARMED

FORCES. >> I UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT A NORMAL PERSON DOES A CAREER, IT'S LIKE THREE OR FOUR YEARS.

SO, I DON'T KNOW WHO THE WRITER OF THIS WAS. IT IS THAT VERSUS THE CAREER MILITARY PERSON WHO SERVED FOR A MINIMUM OF 20

YEARS. >> SO, I MIGHT NOT BE

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>> THAT'S MY QUESTION. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT.

I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. I HAVE TWO CARDS. START WITH MISTER RYAN. HE IS THE CHAIR OF THE LAKE AS VERY CAC.

>> AFTERNOON. I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING REALLY TO ADD OTHER

THAN -- >> GIVE US YOUR NAME AND

ADDRESS, PLEASE. >> JIM RYAN, CHAIR OF THE CITIZENS ADVISORY COMMITTEE, 822 BRANSTON ROAD.

>> LIFT THE MICROPHONE UP TO YOUR --

PICK YOU UP. >> THANK YOU. CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? ALL RIGHT. YOUR QUESTION ON THE MAXIMUM ONE ACRE LOT, WE WERE CONCERNED ABOUT TWO THINGS, ONE FOR AREAS REQUIRING SEPTIC, YOU MAY RUN INTO A PROBLEM YOU HAVE TO HAVE MORE THAN A ONE ACRE LOT TO PUT IN A SEPTIC TANK. THAT WOULD MAKE THE LOT NOT BUILDABLE. THE OTHER PORTION WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, IF WE HAVE FAMILY MEMBERS AND WE HAVE 10 ACRES, WE MAY WANT TO GIVE A CHILD MORE THAN ONE ACRE. SO, UNDERSTAND IT WAS GOOD FOR DENSITY, PASSING ON PROPERTY TO HEIRS, YOU MIGHT NOT WANT TO LIMIT IT TO ONE ACRE. BUT STAFF ADDRESSED OUR CONCERN. WE WERE

IN SUPPORT. -- OF THE CHANGE. >> ANYBODY HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? MISTER RYAN? THANK YOU, MISTER RYAN. AND ELAINA CORMIER? SHE IS ALSO A CAC MEMBER. CORRECT?

>> MY NAME IS HELENA COME YEAR. I AM AT 2839 WOODBRIDGE COURT, 32043. AND JUST AS A REALTOR AND AS SOMEBODY WHO SERVES IN THIS COUNTY, THERE ARE MANY PEOPLE WHO WOULD LOVE FOR THIS TO BE APPROVED FOR THE LAKE ASBURY TO BRANDON FIELD. THEY UNDERSTAND IN THE COUNTY THEY LIVE SOMEWHERE ELSE THEY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO DO IT. I AM PERSONALLY WORKING WITH SOMEONE. HE BOUGHT LAND AND IS NOT ABLE TO DO THAT IN THE LAKE ASBURY AREA. AND SO, HE WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO HAVE HIS DAUGHTERS LIVE ON THE LAND WITH HIM. SO, I HOPE THAT THIS IS APPROVED, AND SO DOES THE OTHER CITIZEN THAT BROUGHT THIS. THANK YOU.

>> MISTER CHAIR, CAN I ASK HER A QUESTION?

>> SURE. >> I HAVE A QUESTION. SO, BASICALLY, THE PEOPLE YOU ARE WORKING WITH, HOW LARGE A CHUNK OF PROPERTY ARE THEY LOOKING TO SPLIT OFF? DO YOU --

>> CERTAIN THINGS HAVE TO BE A LITTLE BIT PRIVATE, BUT THERE IS

-- >> I DON'T NEED TO KNOW

ANYTHING -- >> A THREE ACRE PARCEL THAT SOMEBODY BOUGHT THAT WAS THREE ACRES.

>> AND THEY ARE LOOKING TO SPLIT AN ACRE OFF, TWO ACRES?

>> IT DEPENDS WHAT THEY CAN ACTUALLY MANEUVER WITH THE SEPTIC SENT STUFF LIKE THAT, BUT YES. THEY WOULD HAVE TO DO AN ACRE BASED ON THE GUIDELINES THAT ARE ON THOSE MINIMUM BECAUSE OF THE LAKE ASBURY RULE. ZONING, AND WITH IT HAVING THE SEPTIC, HE HAS A MINIMUM OF ONE ACRE HE WOULD HAVE TO DO.

>> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

>> ANYBODY ELSE WISH TO SPEAK? I DON'T SEE ANYBODY SO I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMISSION.

>> I'M GOING TO SAY I DO HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THIS NO MAXIMUM SIZE OF THE LOT. I THINK THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY HERE -- WE HAVE ALREADY HAD TROUBLE IN THE PAST WITH VISTA BEING MISUSED TO CREATE ILLEGAL SUBDIVISIONS, TO DO OTHER THINGS. AND I HAVE JUST ADDRESSED THE TWO ISSUES, THE SEPTIC TANK . YOU CAN GET A SEPTIC TANK ON A HALF ACRE LOT AND A WELL AND MEET THE MINIMUMS FOR SEPARATION. YOU DON'T NEED A TON OF LAND TO DO THAT.

>> 75 FEET. >> YEAH. AND THERE ARE CERTAIN REQUIREMENTS. THE WALL HAS TO BE 10 FEET OFF THE BUILDING, IT HAS TO BE SO FAR FROM THE PROPERTY LINE AND THE DISTANCE BETWEEN THE TWO. I THINK IT CAN ONLY BE 50. THAT YOU CAN EASILY PUT THAT ON A HALF ACRE LOT. YOU KNOW? I COULD SEE A THING WHERE SOMEBODY WOULD COME IN AS I THINK MIKE SAID, A 20 ACRE PARCEL. SO, I'M GOING TO GIVE HALF OF IT TO MY KID FOR A HOUSE. THAT'S A BIG

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>> COMMISSIONER? >> I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THIS.

I WAS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IF THERE IS A SITUATION WHERE -- EXCUSE ME. THANK YOU. I WAS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IF THERE COULD BE A SITUATION UNDER THIS -- UNDER THIS PROPOSAL WHERE THE TRANSFER OVER COULD END UP -- ESPECIALLY WITH NO MAXIMUM LOT SIZE -- WITH A TINY NONCONFORMING LOT IN ONE OF

THESE AREAS. >> WE WOULD NOT ALLOW THEM TO CREATE A NONCONFORMING LOT FOR THEMSELVES IN DOING THIS. WE WANT TO -- YOU KNOW. THIS IS A SPECIAL EXEMPTION THAT ALLOWS THEM TO CREATE SOMETHING FOR THEIR HEIR. WE DON'T WANT THEM TO HAVE A NONCONFORMING LOT WHERE THE PARENTS OR GRANDPARENT CANNOT ADD ON TO THEIR HOUSE. CANNOT, YOU KNOW, DO ANYTHING WITH THEIR HOUSE. WE CAN'T HAVE THEM WITH A NONCONFORMING LOT.

>> SO, WHAT IS THE PROCESS FROM KEEPING THAT FROM HAPPENING? IS

THERE A REVIEW? >> THEY SUBMIT AN APPLICATION.

THEY PROVIDE A DEED, THEY PROVIDE A PLAN OF THIS. SO WE ARE AWARE -- AND THAT IS SOME O THE TRANSFERRING LOT, WE WANT TO SEE THE DEED AND LEGAL DESCRIPTION FOR IT TO ENSURE IT'S NOT GOING TO BECOME NONCONFORMING.

>> THANK YOU. THAT IS VERY HELPFUL.

>> YES, COMMISSIONER BOURRE? >> I WILL BE THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE COIN TO THE COMMISSIONER IN A VERY FRIENDLY WAY. I LIKE THIS. I LIKE THE IDEA OF IT. I LIKE THE CAC. I THINK IF SOMEBODY, A HUSBAND AND WIFE, A MAN AND WOMAN WORKED THEIR ENTIRE LIVES, AND THEY WERE ABLE TO AMASS 20 ACRES, 50 ACRES, HUNDRED ACRES OR 2 ACRES, THEY PAID TAXES ON IT. THEY OUGHT TO BE ABLE TO DO -- FOR THIS SCENARIO -- THEY OUGHT TO BE ABLE TO LEAVE TO THEIR CHILDREN WHAT THEY WANT TO LEAVE TO THEIR CHILDREN. SO, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S TWO KIDS, FOR KIDS, HOWEVER ELSE, YOU KNOW. IF IT'S 20 ACRES AND EVERY CHILD GETS A FIVE ACRES, GOD BLESS THEM. I DON'T THINK THAT IT'S OUR ROLE TO REDUCE WHAT SOMEBODY CAN LEAVE TO THEIR CHILDREN. AND THAT IS WHAT THIS IS SPECIFICALLY TALKING ABOUT. SO, I WILL LEAVE IT THERE OTHER THAN TO SAY I SUPPORT THIS.

>> ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? >> I AM GOOD. MY QUESTION WAS ANSWERED. MY QUESTION WAS ANSWERED.

>> ALL RIGHT. >> OKAY, I JUST NEED ONE CLARIFICATION. IF -- I THINK SOMEBODY ASKED IT, BUT I WANT TO HEAR IT AGAIN. IF THE HEIRS, THE PERSON WHO RECEIVED THE HEIRS

LOT -- >> THE RECIPIENT.

>> -- THE RECIPIENT. AT ONE POINT IN TIME, I KNOW, TWO YEARS OR FIVE YEARS, BUT CAN THEY SUBDIVIDE THAT LOT AGAIN? OR DOES IT THEN FALL UNDER WHATEVER THE CURRENT ZONING IS AND THEY WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO DO IT BECAUSE THE LOT WOULD BE TOO

SMALL? >> IT VERY POSSIBLY COULD FALL UNDER -- IF WE ARE TALKING A LARGER LOT WITHIN THESE PARTICULAR MASTER PLANS WHERE YOU HAVE HIGHER DENSITY, THEY COULD CONCEIVABLY HEIR A LOT TO THEIR CHILD. THE POINT IS, THIS IS A SPECIAL EXEMPTION. IF BEYOND THIS THEY ARE COMPLIANT WITH OUR CODE, THEY CAN DO THAT IF THEY ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE

DENSITY AND THE ZONING. >> OKAY.

>> YEAH. >> OKAY. SO, TO YOUR POINT, RIGHT ? I COULD GIVE MY KID A BIG CHUNK OF PROPERTY, AND THEN THEY COULD TURN AROUND WITHOUT MY CONSENT AND SELL PART OF IT

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TO SOMEBODY? >> BUT THEY COULD ALSO HOLD ON -- THEY COULD ALSO HOLD ONTO THE PROPERTY AND GIVE IT TO YOUR

GRANDKIDS. >> SO, ANOTHER THING TO POINT OUT WITH THIS, AS A HEIRS EXEMPTION LIKE THE HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION, YOU COULD DIVVY UP THE LOTS FOR YOUR CHILDREN. ONCE YOU CREATE THREE LOTS, THAT'S A SUBDIVISION. AND NOW YOU HAVE TO PLAT. YOU'RE EXEMPT FROM THE PLATTING REQUIREMENTS IF YOU'RE DOING THE HEIRS EXEMPTION. IF YOU ARE NOW DECIDING TO CUT OFF AND SELLOFF PIECES, THAT'S WHERE YOU ARE GOING TO RUN INTO A PROBLEM LIKE THE SUBDIVISION CODE AND PLAT.

>> I JUST HAVE ONE COMMENT BECAUSE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE HEIRS GETTING THE PROPERTY AND THEN SELLING IT. I MEAN, ON MOST CASES, THAT JUST DOESN'T HAPPEN TYPICALLY UNLESS THE WHOLE FAMILY DECIDES TO MOVE, OR UNLESS THERE ARE SOME HARDSHIPS OR THE MILITARY. I MEAN, I WILL GIVE AN EXAMPLE. I HAVE PROPERTY THAT I WILL PROBABLY COMP TO MY KID. IF THEY SELL THAT PROPERTY, THEY MAY NOT BE MY KID ANYMORE. I GAVE IT TO THEM NOT TO MAKE A BUCK OFF IT. SO, I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY STATED THAT MANY FAMILY DINNER TABLES. JUST A THOUGHT. IS THERE A WAY AROUND THE SYSTEM? HECK YEAH. ARE PEOPLE GOING TO HUNT FOR IT EVERY DAY? HECK YEAH. BUT WE NEED -- PARAMETERS. YEAH --

INAUDIBLE ] IN PLACE. >> IT DOESN'T GO ON THAT.

>> I CAN'T TAKE IT. WE DID HAVE SOME PARAMETERS IN PLACE TO TRY

TO -- >> CONTROL IT?

>> YES. AND KEEP THE HONEST PEOPLE HONEST. WHICH IS

INAUDIBLE ] >> ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? I

WILL HEAR A MOTION. >> I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO

APPROVE. >> SECOND.

>> A MOTION AND SECOND, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN

[Presentations]

FAVOR SAY AYE. >> AYE.

>> ALL THOSE OPPOSED SAME SIGN. ALL RIGHT. MOTION PASSES. ALL RIGHT. THAT COMPLETES OUR PORTION OF THE AGENDA. FOR PRESENTATIONS, WE HAVE TWO TONIGHT. PERSONAL PLANNING OFFICIALS TRAINING HIGHLIGHTS. MS. CARSON IS GOING TO TELL US

ALL ABOUT IT. >>

>> THANK YOU FOR THE MICROPHONE. THIS IS GOING TO BE EXCERPTS FROM THE PLANNING OFFICIALS TRAINING THAT WAS CONDUCTED UP IN NASSAU COUNTY ON OCTOBER 25TH, 2024. AND A COUPLE OF YOU ATTENDED BUT NOT ALL OF YOU WERE ABLE TO. SO, THE FOLLOWING WILL BE EXPERT'S OF PRESENTATIONS BY MERLE BISHOP AND EVAN ROSENTHAL.

AND MISTER BISHOP FIRST HAD A PRESENTATION ON IMPLEMENTING COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING TECHNIQUES. AND SO, I'M GOING TO BE PRESENTING SOME OF THEIR SLIDES. LIKE I SAID, I'M NOT GOING TO READ ALL OF IT. WE PROVIDED YOU WITH THE LINKS TO THIS, THE MASSIVE FILE THAT ALL THESE DOCUMENTS ARE IN. IF YOU -- IF THE LINK IS NO LONGER GOOD FOR YOU WE CAN REFRESH IT AND SEND YOU A NEW LINK. SO, THIS SLIDE WAS A REALLY GOOD ONE THAT KIND OF SHOWS THE ENTIRE PLANNING PROCESS. AND IT REALLY INVOLVES THE COMMUNITY VISION BEING THE FIRST STEP. AND THAT IS INCORPORATED INTO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. AND THEN THE LAND OF ELEMENT CODE IS WHAT TRULY IMPLEMENTS THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN . AND PERMITTING IS ACTUALLY WHAT FOLLOWS SUIT WITH THE HOUSE. SO, IT STARTS WITH A VERY GENERAL PROCESS BEING DIVISION OF THE COMMUNITY AND GETS DOWN TO THE SPECIFIC TECHNICAL POLICIES. SO, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IMPLEMENTATION, THIS IS UNDER FLORIDA STATUTE AND PROVIDES MEANINGFUL GUIDELINES FOR THE CONTENT AND MORE DETAILED LAND DEVELOPMENT AND USE REGULATIONS. IT PROVIDES A RANGE OF DENSITIES. AND THE LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS WHICH IS ALSO UNDER FLORIDA STATUTE DIVIDES YOUR DEVELOPMENT CRITERIA. AND SO, THEY TYPICALLY REGULATE THE USE OF LAND AND WATER SUBDIVISIONS , SIGNAGE, PUBLIC FACILITIES AND SERVICES, AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT ZONING WHICH IS PART OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, THERE ARE DIFFERENT FORMS OF ZONING. EUCLIDEAN ZONING IS BASICALLY THE ORIGINAL FORM OF ZONING. IT'S MOST COMMON THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY, AND IT IS CHARACTERIZED BY SEPARATION OF LAND USES WHICH HELPS TO PREVENT INCOMPATIBLE LAND USES. IT'S THOUGHT TO PROTECT POVERTY VALUES, PROTECT OPEN SPACE, HISTORIC DISTRICTS, BUT IT ACTUALLY ENDS UP PROMOTING URBAN SPRAWL TO SOME DEGREE. AND IT CAN ALSO RESULT IN EXCLUSIONARY ZONING. THERE IS ANOTHER FORM OF

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WHAT MAKES SOMETHING INCOMPATIBLE? USE DENSITY , TRAFFIC , SIZE, BULK OF THE BUILDINGS COMPARING A HUGE BUILDING TO A SMALL, RESIDENTIAL HOUSE. NOISE, CAN DIESEL BE MITIGATED? YES. THERE ARE WAYS TO MITIGATE SOME OF THESE INCOMPATIBLE CONCEPTS THAT COULD HELP MAKE USES MORE COMPATIBLE.

SUCH AS BUFFERS, SEPARATION, BASED ON HEIGHT, THINGS LIKE THAT THAT WE HAVE IN OUR CODE AS WELL. HOURS OF OPERATION, AND SITE DESIGN. SO, MISTER BISHOP ALSO HAD A SECTION ON ETHICS AND PLANNING. IN PARTICULAR, HE TALKED ABOUT THE PLANNING COMMISSION, WHICH YOUR ROLE IS THE LOCAL PLANNING AGENCY. YOU ARE PUBLIC OFFICIALS . ELECTED OR APPOINTED, YOU ARE CONSIDERED PUBLIC OFFICIALS. YOU HAVE SPECIFIC DUTIES WHICH ARE DEFINED IN A GOVERNMENT CHARTER OR LAND OF ELEMENT REGULATIONS.

OUR CODE IS ARTICLE 12 WHICH TALKS ABOUT THE PLANNING COMMISSION ROLES AND DUTIES. AND HE WENT ON FURTHER TO REFLECT THE VISIONS AND VALUES OF THE COMMUNITY THAT IS PARTLY YOUR ROLE. YOU ARE ALSO TO HELP IMPLEMENT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. AND ENSURE EVERYTHING IS CONSISTENT WITH THE GOALS AND OBJECTIVES OF THE COMPREHENSIVE LAN. AND YOU ALSO REVIEW PROPOSED LAND DEVELOPMENT CODES AND AMENDMENTS, REZONINGS. AS PUBLIC OFFICIALS, YOU HAVE TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT ETHICAL SITUATIONS , CHAPTER 112 OF THE FLORIDA STATUTES DEFINES FLORIDA ETHICAL REQUIREMENTS. CHAPTER 286 AND 119 ALSO GO INTO SUNSHINE LAWS WHICH ARE SOMETHING TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT . IF YOU ARE A CERTIFIED PLANNER IKE MANY OF US ON OUR STAFF ARE CERTIFIED PLANNERS, THE AMERICAN INSTITUTE OF CERTIFIED PLANNERS HAS A SPECIFIC CODE OF ETHICS FOR PROFESSIONAL CONDUCT. THERE IS ALSO ETHICAL PRINCIPLES IN PLANNING THAT THE PLANNING ASSOCIATION HAS, AND LOCAL REQUIREMENTS MAY COME INTO PLAY.

YOU ALSO NEED TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT CONFLICTS OF INTEREST. AND THERE IS A GREAT DEAL ON THAT. -- SPECIFIC SITUATIONS, IF YOU AS A BOARD MEMBER ARE RELATED TO SOMEONE THAT IS PRESENTING, YOU KNOW, AN APPLICATION, THAT WOULD BE A CONFLICT OF INTEREST. SO, THERE ARE SIMPLE STANDARDS. THEY PROVIDE SEVERAL EXAMPLES. THE OTHER THING THEY TALKED ABOUT WAS EXPERT A COMMUNICATION.

IT'S A LEGAL TERM THAT MEANS ONE-SIDED. THEY GO INTO GREAT DETAIL ABOUT HOW THIS SHOULD BE DISCLOSED IF YOU ARE CONTACTED BY AN APPLICANT . AND THIS SHOULD BE DISCLOSED DURING THE PRESENTATION. AND IT IS SOMEWHAT OF A FAIRNESS SITUATION SO YOUR DECISION IS MADE BASED ON THE MATERIAL THAT IS PRESENTED. THE

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THE STANDARD OF REVIEW IS FAIRLY DEBATABLE. IT'S A HIGHLY DIFFERENTIAL STANDARD REQUIRING APPROVAL OF AN ACTION IF REASONABLE PERSONS CAN DIFFER TO ITS PROPRIETY. AGAIN, THIS IS ALL AVAILABLE FOR YOU TO READ AND ABSORB ANY TIME IN A MORE QUIET SETTING WHEN YOU CAN CONCENTRATE AND READ ALL OF THIS. SO, FUTURE LAND USE MAP, AGAIN, A FAIRLY DEBATABLE CHEST.

THIS ALSO INCLUDES SMALL-SCALE AMENDMENTS. AND IT IS TO BE BASED ON DATA INFORMATION REGARDING THE AREA INCLUDING THE AMOUNT OF LAND TO ACCOMMODATE ANTICIPATED GROWTH , SEASONAL POPULATION, THE CHARACTER OF UNDEVELOPED LAND, AVAILABILITY OF UTILITIES , THE NEED FOR REDEVELOPMENT, THE USE OF THE ADJACENT LANDS, WHETHER IT IS CLOSE PROXIMITY TO AN AIRPORT , AND FUTURE LAND USE AMENDMENTS SHOULD NOT PROMOTE SPRAWL. THAT IS ONE OF THE CRITERIA IN THE FLORIDA STATUTES, AND THE NEED FOR JOB CREATION, CAPITAL INVESTMENT, OF ELEMENT ARE IMPORTANT TO CONSIDER WITH ANY AMENDMENT. AND THE NEED TO MODIFY LAND USES AND DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS WITH ANTIQUATED SUBDIVISIONS. SO, CAUSE I JUDICIAL ACTIONS, CAUSE I JUDICIAL MEANING SEEMINGLY APPARENT, ALMOST, AND JUDICIAL MEANING REFERRING TO A COURT SYSTEM, APPLICATION OF LAW OR POLICY TO A SPECIFIC SET OF FACTS. THIS TYPICALLY IS GOING TO BE A REZONING OF PLAT, USE EXEMPTION, SITE PLAN OR VARIANCE, MANY OF THOSE YOU DON'T SEE BUT YOU DO SEE REZONINGS. THIS CAN BE SUBJECT TO DUE PROCESS , PROTECTIONS FOR PARTIES . AND THIS BECOMES WITH A QUASIJUDICIAL, THERE NEEDS TO BE A BURDEN OF PROOF. THE BURDEN SHIFTING STANDARDS IS BY COMPETENT SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE . AND THAT IS REQUIRED TO DEMONSTRATE THAT MAINTAINING RHE EXISTING ZONING CLASSIFICATION ACCOMPLISHES A LEGITIMATE PUBLIC PURPOSE, AND IF NOT, ARBITRARY DISCRIMINATORY OR UNREASONABLE, AND A SICKLY IN LAYMAN'S TERMS, IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THE RECORD MUST CONTAIN EVIDENCE THAT DENIAL OF THE REZONING ACCOMPLISHING A LEGITIMATE PUBLIC PURPOSE, AND IT IS NOT ARBITRARY. SO, FURTHER, IT SAYS LEGITIMATE PUBLIC PURPOSE. EXAMPLES ARE COMPATIBILITY WITH SURROUNDING PARCELS, TRAFFIC , NOISE, ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERNS, LIGHTING. SO, FOR QUASIJUDICIAL DECISIONS MUST BE SUPPORTED BY

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SOME EXAMPLES, -- OF WHAT WOULD BE, WOULD BE A STAFF REPORT IF IT IS PROPERLY SUPPORTED, FACT-BASED DATA STUDIES, EXPERT TESTIMONY , WHAT IS NOT COMPETENT SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE ? IT IS SOMEONE'S CLAIM THAT IT IS INCOMPATIBLE WITH THE AREA.

STUDIES OR REPORTS THAT ARE NOT RELEVANT, SPECULATION SUCH AS, IT WILL LEAD TO CRIME, PROPERTY VALUES WILL GO DOWN, YOU HAVE HEARD ALL OF THESE THINGS ON OCCASION. SO, THAT WAS A VERY QUICK -- ALTHOUGH IT PROBABLY SEEMED LONG -- PRESENTATION OF WHAT WAS A DAYLONG PRESENTATION THAT THEY GAVE US , AND THERE ARE A TON OF MATERIALS THAT WE HAVE SAVED ON THE DRIVE INCLUDING THEIR FULL PRESENTATIONS , AND WE WILL SHARE THAT AGAIN WITH YOU IF YOU DON'T HAVE IT. I WOULD BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OR TRY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS BUT I WOULD ALSO REFER YOU TO THAT. YOU CAN SEND AN EMAIL TO ME IF YOU LIKE IF YOU HAVE A SPECIFIC QUESTION OR, AS YOU READ THROUGH SOME OF THIS, IF YOU RUN INTO ANOTHER QUESTION.

>> MISTER CHAIR, MAY I ASK A QUESTION? I HAVE TWO QUICK QUESTIONS. THE FIRST GOES BACK TO CONFLICTS OF INTEREST. I ASSUME, AND WHAT WE HAVE DONE IN THE PAST, IS IF THERE IS A CONFLICT, WE WOULD RECUSE OURSELVES FROM THAT VOTE, AND AS I UNDERSTAND IT, I WAS THE ONLY ONE ONE TIME WHO HAD A CONFLICT THAT IS CURRENTLY ON THE BOARD. I ACTUALLY RECUSED MYSELF AND WENT AND SAT IN THE PUBLIC SEATING AREA. WAS THAT THE

PUBLIC PROCEDURE? >> RECUSING YOURSELF, DEFINITELY. I WOULD DEFER TO THE COUNTY ATTORNEY AS TO WHETHER

YOU NEED TO LEAVE THE -- >>

>> YEAH. IT FELT APPROPRIATE. OKAY, THANK YOU FOR THAT. MY SECOND QUESTION WAS ON THE SITE VISIT. SO, TYPICALLY, WHEN WE HAVE OUR AGENDAS, I WILL GO BY THE SITE SO I CAN SEE WHAT IS AROUND IT AND KIND OF MAKE AN EVALUATION . BASED ON WHAT I JUST HEARD, I SHOULD NOT SHARE WHAT I SAW ON THE SITE WHEN WE COME BACK TO THIS BODY, RIGHT? THAT IS SOMETHING I KEEP TO

MYSELF? >> SO, THAT WAS AN INTERESTING DISCUSSION. AND I'M SURE -- WERE YOU THERE AT THAT POINT? IT WAS INTERESTING. YOU ON-SITE VISITS, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS OUTSIDE OF THE ACTUAL HEARING, AND THAT WOULD B VIEWED AS AN X PARTAKE COMMUNICATION. YES, IF YOU DRIVE BY THE SITE , YOU HAPPEN TO NOTICE THINGS, THAT IS YOUR EXPERIENCE. THAT CAN BE PART OF YOUR THOUGHT. BUT IF YOU SIT HERE AND TALK ABOUT WHAT YOU SAW, THAT BECOMES TESTIFYING FOR

OR AGAINST THE APPLICANT. >> I APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU.

>> I THINK THE WAY IT WORKED OUT IN SOME OF THAT DISCUSSION WAS, IF IT IS SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE, WE HAVE A PARCEL ON 220 WHICH I DRIVE UP AND DOWN ALL THE TIME THAT IS NEAR THE HOUSE. CLEARLY, I CAN'T IGNORE THE FACT I DRIVE BY IT ALL THE TIME. RIGHT? I THINK THEY WERE TALKING MORE ABOUT SOMEBODY GETTING OUT, WALKING THE PROPERTY, DOING ALL THAT KIND OF THING. BUT I THINK KIND OF THE CONSENSUS WAS, IF SOMEONE FROM THE PUBLIC SEES WHEN YOU DRIVE BY, YOU ARE OKAY.

YOU CAN'T SAY, WELL, I WENT TWO MILES BACK ON THE PROPERTY AND I FOUND THIS. THAT IS A PROBLEM. UNLESS STAFF DID AND TOLD US

ABOUT IT, THEN IT'S OKAY. >> THERE IS ONE I WANTED TO ASK.

I WENT FOR THE PRESENTATION.

INTERRUPT WHEN YOU WERE GOING THROUGH IT.

WAS UNDER THE COMPATIBILITY STUFF. WE OFTEN TALK ABOUT SOME OF THESE ISSUES. SO, I THINK COMPATIBILITY IS VERY SUBJECTIVE OPINION THAT PEOPLE HAVE. IT'S SHORT OF SAYING, WELL, INAUDIBLE ] NEXT TO A NURSING HOME IS PROBABLY NOT A GOOD IDEA. BUT A LOT OF THAT

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VIEWER. SO -- >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?

INAUDIBLE ] >> MISTER CHAIRMAN? IF I MAY? I JUST HAVE TO MAKE THIS STATEMENT BECAUSE THE GENTLEMAN DID NOT SPEAK TO ME BEFORE THE MEETING. I DO HAVE TO LEAVE IN ABOUT 15 MINUTES. MY OTHER DUTIES TO THE COUNTY IS THAT I COACHED TWO OF THE GIRLS SOFTBALL TEAMS AND BASEBALL TEAMS. I HAVE A MEETING I HAVE TO BE AT AT 6:30. IF YOU SEE ME SKIP OUT, I'M NOT BEING RUDE. I WANT TO GIVE YOU THAT HEADS UP. OKAY? THANK YOU.

INAUDIBLE ] >> I APPRECIATE THE HEADS UP.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. GOOD EVENING TO THE BOARD, THE CHAIR, CARSON ACTUALLY ASKED ME TO COME BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING TO UPDATE YOU ON THE PROGRESS OF OUR VARIOUS ROAD PROJECTS THE COUNTY IS PARTAKING. AND SHE DID SAY THE MEETING USUALLY RUNS FROM 5:00 UNTIL 10:00. SINCE IT IS APPROACHING 6:00, WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO COVER IT WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THAT, I WILL GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED.

INAUDIBLE ] NO, I APPRECIATE THAT. WITH THAT, AGAIN, AS FAR AS THE DATE ON THE VARIUS PROGRAM STRUCTURE PROJECTS, IT'S A CULMINATION OF ONLY A COUPLE FOLKS IN THE COUNTY. SO, I WILL BE SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF RICHARD SMITH, THE COUNTY ENGINEER AS WELL. AS FAR AS WHERE AND HOW THE PROJECTS ARE AS FAR AS WHAT DETERMINES WHAT WE ARE GOING TO BE WORKING ON WITH WHAT COMES OUT OF THE STRATEGIC PLAN WITH THE COUNTY MANAGER AND THE REST OF HIS STAFF AND OF COURSE, THE HIGHLIGHTED AREAS OF DEVELOPMENT OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE, IF YOU WOULD. AND SO, HOW IS IT TO DETERMINE WHAT OR WHERE WE WORK ON -- VIEWED -- AND I'M SURE FROM THE PLANNING PERSPECTIVE, YOU FOLKS HAVE SEEN THE SARATOGA SPRINGS GOVERNOR PARK AGRICOLA, AND THEN AS WELL AS THIS NEW -- WHEN I CALLED BACK ON THAT RUNS DOWN THROUGH CLAY COUNTY THE FIRST GOES THROUGH THE EXPRESSWAY, YOU KNOW, WITH THE FIRST COAST EXPRESSWAY, THERE ARE SEVEN NOTES, GETTING ON OR GETTING OFF POINTS IN THE COUNTY, AND I'M SURE AS YOU SEE, NOT NECESSARILY WHEREVER YOU ARE FROM BUT IN MY CAREER AND OVER THE YEARS BY THOSE 295 OR OTHER BRIDGES THAT HAVE GONE IN DOES GO IN, IT REALLY CHANGES THE LANDSCAPE FOREVER. AND SO, WITH THAT, I'M GOING TO ACTUALLY SPIN MY HEAD AROUND HERE, AND I WILL SPEAK ON BEHALF OF RICHARD SMITH . HE UNFORTUNATELY PULLED AWAY TO LAKE ASBURY. I THINK YOU GOT THE MORE DIFFICULT DUTY IN SPEAKING WIH THAT GROUP OF FOLKS THIS EVENING. AND SO, HE IS CARRYING MY MESSAGE FORWARD TO THEM. I WILL CARRY HIS MESSAGE FORWARD TO YOU. THERE ARE 10 VARIOUS ÚPROJECTS HE WANTED ME TO HIGHLIGHT. I'M KIND OF OUTLINING NUMBERS AS FAR AS THEIR GENERAL LOCATION. BUT THE FIRST ONE IS LIVE OAK LANE, BASICALLY NEW PAVEMENT, AND THE SUN TRAIL CONSTRUCTION OF THE SUN TRAIL PROJECT IT'S BASICALLY FROM JENNINGS ESTATE FOREST AT THE SDC INTEREST TO OLD JENNINGS ROAD.

INVENTION. SPENCER INDUSTRIAL DRIVE WHICH IS NUMBER TWO, IT'S ON THE FAR WEST SIDE OUT BY 301. IT'S A NEW FOUR-LANE ROAD FROM COUNTY GROUP 218 TWO FUNDED BY JOHN'S GROUP GRANT, AND THAT SHOULD BE GOING OUT HERE IN THE MONTH OF MAY. RADAR ROAD IS A CONNECTIVE ROAD THAT'S GOING TO CONNECT THE EXISTING RADAR ROAD TO U.S. 17 TO THE TOWN CENTER BOULEVARD WITH ON STREET PARKING. THAT NOTICE TO PROCEED IS GOING TO BE ISSUED FOR CONSTRUCTION FOLLOWING THIS YEAR. NEXT 2, 4 AND 5, THEY ARE CLOSE TOGETHER.

A LOT OF PEOPLE VIEW IT AS ONE PROJECT HERE COUNTY ROAD 220 AT HANLEY ROAD. IT'S BASICALLY A FOUR LANE WIDENING INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENT, NOTICE TO PROCEED WAS ISSUED IN JANUARY OF THIS YEAR, AND THE PROJECT COMPLETION IS SCHEDULED OVER THE NEXT 15 YEARS, AND AGAIN, THAT'S ANOTHER SHOULD BE DONE BY THE SUMMER OF 2026. YEAH. IT IS A ROAD CONSTRUCTION PROJECT. AND IN CONJUNCTION WITH THAT IS THE

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IT'S A SIGNAL INSTALLATION AND INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENT. THAT NOTICE TO PROCEED WAS ISSUED IN FEBRUARY AND PROJECT COMPLETION IS FORECAST FOR LATER THIS YEAR, 2025. PROJECT NUMBER SEVEN, AGAIN, TO 20 AT CANOGA ROAD INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENT. THE NOTICE TO PROCEED IS GOING TO BE ISSUED HERE IN THE MONTH OF JUNE, AND PROJECT COMPLETION IS FORECAST FOR LATER THIS YEAR , FALL OF THIS YEAR. A COUPLE OF THE PROJECTS FOLKS ASK ABOUT, U.S. 17 RESURFACING FROM DOCTORS LAKE BRIDGE TO THE VILLAGE SQUARE PARK PARKWAY, FORECAST COMPLETION FOR THAT IS A SUMMER OF 2025 AS WELL AS THE FDOT RESURFACING FOR BLACK CREEK RIDGE DOWN TO GREEN CODE. THE NOTICE TO PROCEED IS EXPECTED TO BE ISSUED FALL OF THIS YEAR, AND FORECAST COMPLETION IS TO BE DETERMINED BY ROUGHLY A TWO YEAR PROJECT. AND THEN, CATHEDRAL PARKWAY WHICH IS NEW -- ABOUT LESS THAN A MILE SECTION FROM THE NEW ROUNDABOUT TO 18 THAT RUNS UPSTATE ROAD 23, THE COMPLETION IS ESSENTIALLY DONE FOR ALL PRACTICAL PURPOSES. I - WILL TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE REST OF THE PARKWAY IN A SECOND.

ALSO IN RICHARDS, SHOP IS -- YOU WILL SEE THE ROAD RESURFACING PROGRAM. AS FAR AS ROAD RESURFACING, BASICALLY, THE COUNTY OVER THE LAST PAST FOUR YEARS HAS SPENT ROUGHLY $20 MILLION THIS YEAR ALONE. THERE IS ANOTHER 9.5 MILLION SET ASIDE FOR RESURFACING THIS YEAR. I'M GOING TO SWITCH GEARS A LITTLE BIT AND SPEAK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT WHAT IS NEAR AND DEAR TO MY HEART WHICH IS THE TRANSPORTATION PROGRAM. THE BOND PART TRANSPORTATION PROGRAM STARTED IN 2020 WITH FIVE-YEAR REFERENDUM TO WORK ON SEVEN ROADS, AGAIN, KIND OF ALL SUPPORTING GETTING TRAFFIC IN AND AROUND THE COUNTY BASED ON STATE ROAD 2023 WHICH ONLY HAS 129 MILLION THAT WAS BONDED.

IT'S ROUGHLY HUNDRED $80 MILLION OVERALL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM AND THAT INCLUDES UTILITY LOCATIONS AS CCO A, OVERHEAD ELECTRIC, UNDERGROUND GAS, ALL THESE COMMUNICATIONS, ALSO WITH ALL THESE ROAD IMPROVEMENTS, YOU ARE LOOKING AT SIDEWALKS, MORE MANAGEMENT MORE BIKE LANES. WORKING ON THAT SO FAR TODAY WOULD PUT IN WELL OVER 450,000 MAN HOURS, WE PAID OVER 110 MILLION SO FAR. I'M GOING TO RUN DOWN THROUGH EACH ONE OF THE INDIVIDUAL PROJECTS OR WORK AREAS AS THEY GO. NUMBER ONE, AGAIN, THEY HAVE FOR -- PROJECT NUMBER ONE IS BASICALLY A FOUR-LANE DIVIDED ROAD ON COUNTY ROAD 218 FROM PINETREE TO MASTER SPIT ROAD , IT'S ROUGHLY 21% COMPLETE EDITS ON SCHEDULE TO COMPLETE FALL OF THIS YEAR.

PROJECT NUMBER TWO IS AGAIN, A FOUR-LANE SECTION ON COUNTY ROAD 209 THAT RUNS FROM U.S. 17 TO PETERS CREEK BRIDGE. IS ROUGHLY 42%. IT IS, AGAIN, ON SCHEDULE TO COMPLETE SPRING OF NEXT YEAR.

AGAIN, THIS INCLUDES A NEW RAILROAD CROSSING WITH THE INAUDIBLE ] CORPORATION WORK AS WELL. OPERATIONAL IMPROVEMENTS ON RUSSELL ROAD AT THE OAK STREAM DRIVE INTERSECTION AS WELL AS THE WATKINS ROAD INTERSECTION, THAT WORK IS ALREADY COMPLETE AT 100%. AND THE CONTRACT DIRECTION I MENTIONED PRIOR CONTRACTORS, BUT THE PROJECT HERE IS PRUDENT DEVELOPMENT AND THE DESIGN WAS GA I. AND FOR PROJECT ONE IS ANDERSON, COLUMBIA. AND FOR THE CONTRACTOR OF PROJECT TWO IS SUPERIOR CONSTRUCTION WITH JACOBS AS THE DESIGNER. MOVING ONTO PROJECT THREE B. THIS IS ON ALIGNMENT PROJECT. WE HAD TWO OPPOSING INTERSECTIONS THAT WERE VERY DANGEROUS AS THINGS CONTINUE. THIS IS CHANGING INTO A QUADRANT INTERSECTION WHICH IS A ROUNDABOUT AT 209B. AND WE AFFECTIONATELY CALL THAT LITTLE OFFSET ROAD WHICH WILL TAKE INAUDIBLE ] AND REALIGN IT AGAIN WITH 209B. THIS PROJECT IS ROUGHLY 12% COMPLETE. WE HAD A LATE START. THERE WERE

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MOVING ONTO PROJECT 4 WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY THREE-PART MILE SECTION OF SAND PROOF ROAD, THAT RUNS FROM HANLEY JUST TO THE LEFT OF RUSSELL ROAD WHICH IS PRIOR PROJECT 38 -- EXCUSE ME, 3B PICKS UP WHERE THIS PROJECT LEFT OFF . THIS WAS ACTUALLY COMPLETED LAST -- THIS PAST FEBRUARY. AND THEY ARE BASICALLY WORKING ON FINISHING THE IS GA I CONSULTANTS WITH THE CONTRACTOR BEING Q A WHICH WAS THE SAME FOR PROJECT 3B. MOVING ON TO 6B. 6B IS ACTUALLY ENTIRELY NEW CORRIDOR. THIS RUNS FROM STATE ROAD 23 ON FIRST EXPRESSWAY ALL THE WAY DOWN TO COUNTY ROAD 315 , THE NORTH-SOUTH SECTION AS WELL AS IT TIES INTO THE EAST-WEST SECTION AT MARYLAND AVENUE. THE PROJECT IS ROUGHLY AGAIN A LITTLE OVER THREE MILES LONG. IT'S A TWO LANE SECTION WITH BRIDGE, SIDEWALK, SHARED USE PATHS, IT'S ROUGHLY NOW 95% COMPLETE. IT IS FORECAST TO COMPLETE THIS SUMMER, 2025. THIS SECTION IS AGAIN WHAT WE CALL THE EASTERN SECTION OF CATHEDRAL PARKWAY WHERE THE PRIOR SECTION, MILE SECTION WAS CONSTRUCTED.

INAUDIBLE ] THEY ARE ALSO JUST TO THE SOUTH OF HERE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. VALEN COURT. THEY HAVE TAKEN THAT SECTION FROM COUNTY ROAD -- A ROUNDABOUT AT COUNTY ROAD 218 ALL THE WAY TO STATE ROAD 23. WE WILL ESSENTIALLY HAVE A 4.5 MILE SECTION OF ALL-NEW ROAD. AND SO, THE QUESTION TYPICALLY BECOMES, WELL, HOW IS THAT ONE SECTION THAT IS COMPLETION OR NEARING COMPLETION WITH STATE ROAD 23? RIGHT NOW, THE BEST FORECAST IS AGAIN, JUNE OF THIS YEAR. WE WILL HAVE ALL THREE SECTIONS AVAILABLE FOR PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION. SOME OF THE BIGGEST CHALLENGES, OF COURSE, IF YOU CAN IMAGINE STARTING BACK 10+ YEARS AGO WHEN THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT A BRIDGE IN THIS BACK ON, WHAT WOULD THAT LOOK LIKE, AND HOW DO WE CREATE INTERCONNECTIONS? THE BOND TRANSPORTATION JUST BEGINNING ESSENTIALLY FIVE YEARS AGO, WE HAVE TO DESIGN LAYOUT , WORK WITH ALL THE UTILITIES TO ME IS A LARGE ADD ON A LARGE AMOUNT OF WORK IN SUCH A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME AND THEN HAVE ESSENTIALLY THREE BRIDGES POSING ALL AT THE SAME TIME INAUDIBLE ] SO, I THINK THAT'S A HUGE TAKE AWAY FOR THE PLANNING OF THE COUNTY ALONG WITH THE LOCAL COMMUNITY, ALL THE RESIDENCE YOU HAVE TO WORK WITH ALONG THE WAY AS WELL AS A LOT OF THE VARIOUS UTILITIES TO MAKE EVERYTHING WORK TOGETHER.

TO OTHER PROJECTS THAT ARE ON THE SLATE, PROJECT FIVE AND 6A, FIVE, REAL QUICK DESCRIPTION COUNTY ROAD 220 FROM ] JUST WEST OF HENLEY. THAT, IF YOU NOTICE THE FIRST TOP PICTURE LAYOUT, THE BLUE SECTION WAS WHAT I MENTIONED EARLIER. IT'S GOT A NEW BRIDGE. THE GREEN SECTION IS THE INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS AT HENLEY, AND THE ATTEMPT WAS COUNTY ENGINEER RICHARD EAST TO WEST CREATING CONNECTIVITY WITH THE BLUE GOES IN THE GREEN, AND EVENTUALLY THE RED SECTION WHICH IS PROJECT FIVE, FORTUNATELY OR UNFORTUNATELY, FIVE AND 6A WERE CAUGHT UP IN A FEDERAL INJUNCTION INJUNCTION THAT BASICALLY SHUT DOWN ALL PERMITTING IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO. WE ARE ALMOST READY TO RECEIVE OUR PERMITS. AT THIS POINT, THE DESIGN AND RIGHT-OF-WAY ACQUISITION AS WELL AS PERMITTING IS NEAR 100% COMPLETION. FOR PROJECT 6A AS WELL WHICH IS ON COUNTY ROUTE 315 WHICH PICKS UP BASICALLY 6B AND THAT MOVES ON TO MARYLAND AVENUE. THIS WILL PICK UP FROM MARYLAND AVENUE AND TAKE IT ALL THE WAY UP TO 17. SO WHEN THOSE NEW ROADS OPEN UP IT REALLY GETS A CHANCE TO SEE WHAT THE NEW TRAFFIC PATTERNS ARE, AND WHAT THE FUTURE OF THOSE ROADS BECOME. GO AHEAD AND PULL THE TRIGGER ON MOVING FORWARD WITH THE CONSTRUCTION OF 6B. BUT AGAIN, THE CURRENT STAGE FOR STATE ROUTE 23 EXPRESSWAY ALL THE WAY TO MORE SLIDE ON OTHER CAPITAL INFRASTRUCTURE. AS YOU WILL NOTE, THERE IS A LOT OF NEW FACILITIES, IF YOU WOULD, AND SUPPORTING THE FUTURE EXPANSION OF COURSE WITH MORE ROOFTOPS BECOMES THE OPPORTUNITY AND NEED FOR MORE FIRE STATIONS RIGHT NOW ON THE SLATE. WE HAVE FIVE NEW FIRE STATIONS THAT ARE UNDER DESIGN AND/OR CONSTRUCTION OF ROUTE 20 WHICH IS JUST HERE IN

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THAT WENT OUT LAST MONTH. THEN WE ARE LOOKING AT A PUBLIC SERVICE COMPLEX WHICH IS SHARED USE FACILITIES ON PUBLIC SERVICE PROVIDERS . THE NEW ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COMPLEX WHICH YOU CAN SEE GOING UP NEXT-DOOR AS WELL AS THE SUBSTANCE USE DISORDER RECOVERY CENTER WHICH IS BEING SCOPED AND CONCEPTUALIZED RIGHT NOW. IF ANY OF THIS IS OF INTEREST OUTSIDE OF YOUR PLANNING PURVIEW, YOU CAN ALWAYS GO TO THE CLAY COUNTY FOLKS YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH, IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, OBVIOUSLY YOU CAN REACH OUT TO STAFF. YOU CAN ALWAYS LOG INTO THEIR. PUT IN YOUR QUESTIONS, STAFF WILL ALWAYS TYPICALLY GET BACK QUICKLY. THE PIO IS MONITORING THAT.

>> I HAVE A QUESTION ON COUNTY ROAD 218 WHERE THE NEW CONNECTOR IS, THE 4.5 MILE CONNECTOR FROM THE 218, THERE IS A LOT OF HOUSING THAT HAS BEEN APPROVED AND IS GOING IN OVER THERE. ARE THERE ANY PLANS TO FOUR-LANE THAT ROAD?

>> NO, SIR. NONE THAT I'M AWARE OF. MAYBE IT'S IN THE OUT YEARS OF PLANNING. I DO NOT HAVE ANSWER THAT QUESTION VERY WELL FOR YOU. YES, SIR.

>> I HAVE ONE. I STAYED JUST FOR THIS.

>> I WILL LET YOU GO FIRST. >> THANK YOU. I TRAVEL COLLEGE DRIVE FREQUENLY. THERE IS A SIGN UP THERE THAT SAYS SOMETHING ABOUT A ROUNDABOUT OR TURNSTILE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. IS THERE A PLAN TO ACTUALLY DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT

ON COLLEGE? >> I CAN'T ANSWER THAT ONE. I KNOW -- YEAH. THERE WAS A CORRIDOR STUDY THAT WAS DONE, COLLEGE DRIVE INITIATIVES. AND THAT WAS JUST PRESENTED TO THE COUNTY I THINK TWO MONTHS AGO OR SOMETHING. IT WAS -- AND ONE OF THE THINGS THEY SUGGESTED, BECAUSE THEY ARE TRYING TO KEEP COLLEGE DRIVE -- THERE'S ACTUALLY A GROUP IN THE COUNTY WORKING ON THIS. THEY ARE TRYING TO KEEP COLLEGE DRIVE FROM LOOKING LIKE PLANNING BOULEVARD. MAKE IT LOOK MORE ORGANIZED, MAYBE NICER TO USE, YOU KNOW, MORE PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY. ONE OF THE SUGGESTIONS OF THAT WAS TO PUT A ROUNDABOUT IN AT OLD JENNINGS AND COLLEGE AND MOVE THE ENTRANCE THAT -- WHAT WOULD THAT BE? THE SOUTHERN ENTRANCE TO THE COLLEGE? -- TO CONNECT TO THAT ROUNDABOUT. SO, IT WOULD BE THOSE FOR ROADS COMING TOGETHER, NO MONEY, IT'S JUST ONE OF THOSE, THIS WOULD BE A NICE IDEA

THING. ONLY -- YOU KNOW? >> I'M JUST GOING TO SAY I AM A PROPONENT OF ROUNDABOUTS. THERE IS A LOT OF OPINIONS ABOUT ROUNDABOUTS. ONE THING I WILL SAY ABOUT ROUNDABOUTS, WHEN HURRICANES, OR LIGHTS GO OUT THEY CONTINUE TO WORK. IF THERE ARE ACCIDENTS AT A ROUNDABOUT, THEY ARE GLANCING OR GRAZING ACCIDENTS. THE REASON BEING YOU DON'T HAVE THE HEAD-ON COLLISIONS. ALSO, THEY ARE A VERY GOOD TRAFFIC CALLING DEVICE , YOU PASS THROUGH A ROUNDABOUT AT 40 TO 60 MILES PER HOUR, YOU HAVE TO SLOW DOWN, GO THROUGH IT, AND ONE OF THE LAST THINGS IS YOU DON'T HAVE THE DIESEL LAYING AND HONKING THE HORNS WHILE SOMEBODY IS ON THEIR PHONE, THE LIGHT TURNS GREEN, SOMEBODY IS ON THEIR PHONE, TRAFFIC CONTINUES TO MOVE REGARDLESS IF THERE IS NO LIGHT

>> I DID HAVE A QUESTION . RIGHT AT THE END OF YOUR PRESENTATION YOU MENTIONED A SHARED USE FACILITY. WHERE IS THAT?

>> SUBSTANCE USE DISORDER? >> IT WASN'T SUBSTANCE USE. I THOUGHT IT SOUNDED LIKE THERE WAS GOING TO BE SOMEWHERE IN THE

COUNTY WHERE -- >> YES. THAT IS BEING CONCEPTUALIZED RIGHT NOW AS FAR IS , IS THERE A BETTER WAY THAT

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MULTIPLE LOCATIONS? >> THERE'S NOT A LOCATION FOR

THAT YET? >> NOT THAT I UNDERSTAND. WE CONSIDERED MULTIPLE DIFFERENT PLACES. THEY ARE ZEROING IN ON THE RIGHT LOCATION, THE RIGHT SIZE AND THE RIGHT FACILITY --

>> I KNOW AT ONE POINT THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT BUILDING LIK -- LIKE SAY A PLACE THE PUBLIC COULD COME IN AND INTERACT WITH DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS , TAX COLLECTORS AND ALL THAT, THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT PUTTING IT ON THE PROPERTY THE COUNTY OWNS AT SLEEPY HOLLOW AND 220.

>> THAT'S WHERE THE ANIMAL SHELTER IS GOING.

>> THE ANIMAL SHELTER IS GOING BACK BY THE LANDFILL.

>> IT ACTUALLY KIND OF SITS RIGHT IN BEHIND WHERE THE PARKING RIDE, PARKING SHARE -- IF YOU WOULD.

>> IT'S GOING CLOSER TO DO 20? OKAY. VERY GOOD.

>> I JUST HAVE ONE, MISTER CHAIR, IF I MAY. AND IT ACTUALLY JUST DEALS WITH THE PRESENTATIONS. I DIDN'T HAVE LINKED TO THE AGENDA EITHER ONE OF THE PRESENTATIONS. SO I WAS NOT SURE -- I WOULD LIKE TO GET A COPY OF YEARS. SO, ARE THOSE GOING TO BE LINKED TO THE AGENDA?

>> I CAN EMAIL IT TO YOU. >> YOU WILL EMAIL BOTH OF THEM? OKAY, VERY GOOD, IT WAS A GREAT PRESENTATION. THANK YOU.

>> MISTER DINDOR ? APPRECIATE IT.

>> SORRY I DIDN'T TAKE IT UNTIL 10:00. THANK YOU.

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>> OKAY. I'VE GOT ONE THING TO SAY, COMMISSIONER BOURRE HAS SOMETHING HE WANTS TO SHARE. LET ME SHARE MY COMMENT FIRST. THE -- WE MADE A DECISION ABOUT OLD HARD ROAD . REMEMBER THAT? AND INAUDIBLE ] ON THAT. THE APPLICANT TOOK TOLL ARBITRATION . AND I SAT IN ON THE PUBLIC MEETING TODAY WITH THE MAGISTRATE , AND I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT WE ARE FORTUNATE TO HAVE A LEGAL STAFF LIKE MISS GRAHAM AND MISTER THEY DID AN EXCELLENT JOB DEFENDING THE COUNTY AND THE COMMISSIONERS ON OPPOSITION IS OFF TO YOU, MISS GRAHAM. GOOD JOB. YOU'RE NICKEL?

>> VERY GOOD. THANK YOU, MISTER CHAIRMAN. SO, I -- THERE WAS IN OUR MEETING LAST MONTH THERE WAS A REFERENCE IN THE EMAILS THAT CAME OUT TO THE AVERAGE COST OF A HOME THAT WAS GOVERNMENTAL COST. AND SO, DURING THE COURSE OF THAT MEETING I WAS ASKED IF I COULD BRING THE KIND OF DETAILED NUMBERS, AND SO I WENT ON THE NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF HOMEBUILDERS WEBSITE, AND THAT'S WHERE I PICKED THOSE NUMBERS. I WANTED TO SHARE WITH ONE INDIVIDUAL, COMMISSIONER, BECAUSE I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT A VIOLATION OF SUNSHINE SO I FIGURED I WOULD SHARE IN THIS ENVIRONMENT. SO THE FIRST THING I'M GOING TO PASS OUT -- THESE ARE THE FIRST TWO TABLES. I AM HAPPY TO SEND THE LINK OUT WHERE THIS COMES OUT OF THEIR INFORMATION. BUT THE FIRST ONE IS A COST OF REGULATE -- LET ME START WITH TABLE NUMBER ONE. THE AVERAGE REGULATORY COST PERCENTAGE, AND THAT IS 23.8%.

I'M GOING TO SHARE -- THIS IS A BREAKOUT. I DON'T KNOW HOW I DO THIS PUBLICLY BUT I WILL SHOW IT, 23.8% OF THE COST OF A TYPICAL HOME IS GOVERNMENTAL FEES, COSTS, THE COST OF DOING BUSINESS, THEN TABLE NUMBER TWO IS THE COST OF REGULATION AND THE PRICE OF A HOME, AND THE AVERAGE IS $93,870. AND SO, AGAIN, I WANTED TO PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT OF CLARITY THAT I WAS ABLE TO FIND OFF THE NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF HOMEBUILDERS WEBSITE. I WILL GIVE THAT TO YOU, MISTER CHAIR, TO PASS DOWN.

AND THAT IS IT. I JUST WANTED TO SHARE THAT WITH THE GROUP. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> WHAT DOES THIS MEAN? LIKE WHEN IT SAYS TABLE 1, REGULATION OF A% OF LOT COST, IT SAYS AVERAGE WHEN PRESENT AND AVERAGE

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ACROSS ALL LOTS? >> THIS COMES OUT OF A FULL REPORT. THAT'S THE LINK I WAS OFFERING TO SHARE WITH YOU. NOW THAT I HAVE DISCLOSED IT PUBLICLY, I THINK I CAN SEND THAT LINK TO YOU. AND THAT FULL REPORT BREAKS DOWN WHAT GOES

DOWN IN THESE DADOES. >> OKAY, WE HAVE OUR LAST PUBLIC COMMENT. THERE IS NOBODY HERE, SO I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT. ANYBODY GOT ANYTHING ELSE? MEETING

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