Oct 01, 2019 Planning Commission

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>> SPEAKER: WELCOME. THIS IS THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING FOR CLAY COUNTY FOR OCTOBER 1, 2019.

BEFORE WE GET STARTED WITH ANY BUSINESS IF I COULD ASK

[Pledge of Allegiance]

PLEASE. >> SPEAKER: I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

>> SPEAKER: THANK YOU. BEFORE WE GET STARTED I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SOME INTRODUCTIONS.

I AM RALPH AND I'M THE VICE CHAIRMAN.

OUR CHAIRMAN MICHAEL BOURRE IS UNAVAILABLE TONIGHT SO I'M SITTING IN FOR HIM. STARTING ON OUR FAR RIGHT OVER HERE AT THE MONITOR WE HAVE CAROLYN MORGAN, OUR CHIEF PLANNER WE HAVE KELLY COLLINS WHO IS OUR RECORDING SECRETARY AND NEXT TO HER IS JAMES FOSSA WHO REPRESENTS THE CLAY COUNTY SCHOOL BOARD AT THESE HEARINGS, AND THEN WE HAVE ROBERT MCCULLOUGH BELINDA JOHNSON, BRENDA ÃMARY BRIDGMAN, BRENDA, AND ALSO ABSENT IS JOANNE TONIGHT.

AND THEN WE HAVE OUR PLANNING DIRECTOR ED LEHMAN OUR COUNTY ATTORNEY THERE ON THE END COURTNEY GRIMM.

I COULDN'T REMEMBER THE LAST NAME FOR A SECOND.

IN THE AUDIENCE TONIGHT WE ALSO HAVE OUR COUNTY MANAGER, OUR NEW COUNTY MANAGER MR. WANAMAKER AND NEXT TO HIM IS OUR DIRECTOR OF ECONOMIC AND DEVELOPMENT SERVICES SHERRY STEWART, AND I UNDERSTAND NEXT TO HER IS OUR NEW PUBLIC INFORMATION OFFICER FOR THE COUNTY, AND LISA WINTER.

AND OUR CHIEF -- SORRY, COLONEL.

YOU ARE HIDING. SITTING HERE IS LIEUTENANT COLONEL RYAN LEONARD AND HE REPRESENTS THE CAMP BLANDING FACILITY AT THESE HEARINGS, AND ALSO WE HAVE JACK WILLIAMS WHO IS OUR CHIEF OF ZONING IN THE AUDIENCE.

I THINK THAT'S EVERYBODY HERE THAT'S COUNTY.

THEY CLAY COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION, WE ARE AN ADVISORY BOARD TO THE CLAY COUNTY BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS.

THE DECISIONS MADE BY THIS BOARD ARE RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS, AND ALL OF THE ITEMS THAT ARE ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA WILL BE HEARD BY THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS THREE WEEKS FROM TODAY STARTING AT 4:00 P.M. IN THE AFTERNOON, THOUGHTS OCTOBER 22.

I MENTIONED EARLIER IF THERE'S AN ITEM THAT YOU WANT TO SPEAK ON, IF YOU WILL FILL OUT A COMMENT CARD, IT'S HELPFUL TO US. WE WILL MAKE SURE ANYBODY THAT WANTS TO SPEAK GETS HEARD. I DON'T SEE --LOTS OF PEOPLE WE HAVEN'T NECESSARILY SEEN BEFORE SO I WILL LET EVERYBODY KNOW HOW THIS GOES AS THESE ITEMS COME UP FOR DISCUSSION THE APPLICANT ÃSTAFF WILL FIRST GIVE US A REPORT THEIR SUMMARY OF THE ITEM THE APPLICANT WILL THEN PRESENT THEIR PROPOSAL.

FOLLOWING THE APPLICANT WE WILL TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT THAT PANYBODY WHO WANTS TO COMMENT. WE ASK THAT YOU LIMIT YOUR COMMENTS TO THREE MINUTES IF AT ALL POSSIBLE.

THERE IS A TIMER THERE AT THE SPEAKER'S PODIUM.

WHEN THE RED LIGHT COMES ON, WE WOULD LIKE YOU TO WRAP IT UP.

WE WOULD THEN CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT THAT POINT AND THE BOARD WILL TAKE IT UP FOR DISCUSSION.

ONCE WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING WE WON'T TAKE ANYMORE PUBLIC COMMENTS. SO WITH THAT ALL SAID, LET'S GET STARTED FOR TONIGHT. ONE OF THE THINGS WE DO HAVE AT EVERY PUBLIC MEETING IS WE HAVE TO.

SO PUBLIC COMMENT, ONE AT THE BEGINNING AND ONE AT THE END THAT ARE FOR ITEMS THAT MIGHT BE PERTINENT TO THIS BOARD, BUT ARE NOT SPECIFICALLY ITEMS THAT ARE ON THE AGENDA.

SO I'M GOING TO OPEN THAT FIRST -- SORRY.

I AM A LITTLE RUSTY. I HAVEN'T DONE THIS FOR A

[1.  Approval of Minutes]

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WE ARE ACTUALLY TAKING UP SEPTEMBER AND OCTOBER ITEMS TONIGHT. SO ARE THERE ANY CORRECTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE AUGUST 6 MINUTES?

>> SPEAKER: MOVED TO APPROVE. >> SPEAKER: SECOND.

>> SPEAKER: ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

A POST? OKAY.

[Public Comment]

. I'M GOING TO OPEN THE PUBLIC COMMENT--I DO HAVE A CARD, MR. KLINSMANN DID YOU WANT TO TALK DURING PUBLIC COMMENT? COME ON UP.

>> SPEAKER: THAT EVENING. RICHARD KLINSMANN.

YOU MAY REMEMBER ME. IT'S BEEN A WHILE.

I'M THE CRANKY MAN OF CLAY COUNTY AND I SPEAK OUT MANY TIMES AGAINST BULLISHNESS. IT'S A GREAT HOBBY AND IT DOESN'T COST YOU A CENT. I WANT TO START WITH A QUOTE FROM A NOVELIST EDWARD ABBEY, GROWTH FOR GROWTH'S SAKE IS THE IDEOLOGY OF THE CANCER CELL. CANCER IS A SUBJECT THAT I AM INTIMATELY AND TRAGICALLY AWARE OF.

I KNOW MORE ABOUT IT NOW THAN I EVER WANTED TO KNOW MORE THAN ANYBODY ELSE SHOULD KNOW. AND THE CANCER GOING ON IN OUR COMMUNITY TODAY IS THIS OUT-OF-CONTROL, IRRATIONAL GROWTH. IT LOOKS LIKE NOBODY IS PAYING ATTENTION. THERE ARE LITTLE TINY SECTIONS OF LAND BEING PURCHASED AND THEN STEAMROLLED.

ALL OF THE TREES ARE DESTROYED. IT'S PAVED OVER, AND LITTLE HOUSES ARE PLACED ON AN ACRE FOUR OR FIVE HOUSES AN ACRE AND A LITTLE DIVIDED SECTION. AND I CALL THESE THINGS HOT POCKET GHETTOS BECAUSE THEY ALL LOOK ALIKE AND THEY ARE ALL STUCK TOGETHER. NOBODY IN THEIR RIGHT MIND WOULD WANT TO LIVE THERE. BUT SOMEHOW PEOPLE BUY IT.

THEY'RE UGLY AND THEY ARE UNNECESSARY.

TO ADD TO THAT, THE BOONDOGGLE AND UNWANTED TOLL ROAD AND IS NOW CURRENTLY TEARING UP LAKE ASBURY, SOMETHING ELSE WE CAN'T SEEM TO STOP. GOD KNOWS I TRIED.

AND NOW ALL OF THE GROWTH IS GOING ON AROUND THAT.

SEVERAL HUNDRED HAVE BEEN APPROVED.

I DON'T KNOW IF THEY WILL BE BUILT ON SANDRIDGE AND RUSSEL RHODES. WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IN THE FUTURE IS WHEN EVERY TIME ONE OF THESE VAMPIRES COME IN AND SAY THEY WANT TO PUT IN ANOTHER POCKET GHETTO IS MORE INTENSE QUESTIONING AS TO WHY ARE YOU DOING THIS, WHAT IS THE BENEFIT OF IT, WHAT WILL BE THE EFFECTS ON THE REST OF THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE NO ONE ASKED THOSE QUESTIONS AND YOU TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT THE CORNER OF 220 AND HANLEY ROAD LOOKS LIKE NOW.

IT'S AN ABOMINATION AND I'M DOING THIS FOR THE FUTURE.

THERE IS A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE THAT HAVE CHILDREN AND GRANDCHILDREN, AND ONE DAY THEY ARE GOING TO GROW UP AND THEY ARE GOING TO WANT TO ESTABLISH FAMILIES AND HOMES IN THIS COMMUNITY.T THE RATE WE'RE GOING, DO YOU REALLY THINK THERE'S GOING TO BE ROOM FOR THEM? ARE WE GOING TO RUN OUR OWN CHILDREN AND GRANDCHILDREN OUT OF THIS COUNTY? FOR THE SAKE OF SOMEBODY'S GREEDY DESIRES FOR MONEY? I COULD PROBABLY GO ON, BUT THE RED LIGHT IS GOING. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

>> SPEAKER: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ANYONE ELSE? SEEING THEN I WILL CLOSE THAT PUBLIC HEARING AND MOVE INTO OUR AGENDA ITEMS FOR TONIGHT.

[7.  Public Hearing to consider CPA 2019-06,amend from Commercial to Rural Fringe on 0.77 acres, located at 6489 Woodland Drive, Keystone Heights]

AND MS. CAROLYN, DO YOU HAVE THIS ONE?

>> SPEAKER: YES SIR. THANK YOU.

>> SPEAKER: BEFORE YOU GET STARTED IS EVERYBODY HAVE THIS? DID EVERYBODY FIND US IN THE PACKET?

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>> SPEAKER: AS WAS SAID IS A SMALL SCALE AMENDMENT LOCATED IN KEYSTONE HEIGHTS. THE PLANNING DISTRICT IS DISTRICT 7 AND THE COMMISSION DOES THE IS DISTRICT FOR.

THE BCC HEARING WILL BE 22 OCTOBER.

THIS WAS READVERTISED BECAUSE OF HURRICANE DORIAN BECAUSE IT WAS SCHEDULED FOR SEPTEMBER THE SUBJECT PARTIAL LIES BETWEEN WOODLAND DRIVE AND FRIAR TOWER ROAD.

THESE ARE SOME PICTURES OF IT, THE ONE ON THE LEFT IS FROM WOODLAND DRIVE AND THE ONE ON THE RIGHT IS FROM FIRE TOWER ROAD. THE PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY COMMERCIAL, AND THE PARCEL TO THE EAST OF IT IS COMMERCIAL, BUT THEN THE EXISTING PARCELS TO THE WEST OF IT ARE RESIDENTIAL AND DEVELOPED AS RESIDENTIAL.

THE PROPERTY OWNER WOULD LIKE TO CHANGE IT TO PRESIDENTIAL, AND WE HAVE NOT FOUND ANY REASON THAT WOULD BE AN APPROPRIATE. WATER IS AVAILABLE, SUBJECT IS NOT AVAILABLE. SOLID WASTE CAPACITY IS AVAILABLE AND THE TRAFFIC WOULD BE DE MINIMIS.

THE COUNTY HAS RECREATION CAPACITY AND THERE'S A STORM WATER MANAGEMENT WOULD BE DE MINIMIS AND THE CURRENT SITE IS UNDEVELOPED AND WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL TO CHANGE IT TO RURAL FRENCH. THERE IS A COMPANION REZONING THAT YOU WILL HAVE TO VOTE ON SEPARATELY AND THAT WOULD BE

TOO REASON IT FROM BB TO RB. >> MR.PUCKHABER: DOES ANYBODY HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF? I JUST HAD ONE THAT CAME UP WHEN I WAS LOOKING AT THIS, CAROLYN.

HAS THIS BEEN COMMERCIAL SINCE THE COMP PLAN? IS THIS WHERE WE JUST CARVED OFF SOME PROPERTY AND MADE IT

¦ >> SPEAKER: WE MADE NO CHANGE IN THIS LAST COMP PLAN AND THIS AND I'M NOT AWARE OF CHANGES IN 2009 SO I'M NOT SURE HOW LONG IT MAY HAVE BEEN DESIGNATED AS COMMERCIAL I'M GOING TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THIS ONE. I DON'T HAVE ANY CARDS FOR THIS. DID ANYBODY WANT TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM AT KEYSTONE HEIGHTS? ARE YOU THE APPLICANT? SORRY. COME ON UP.

>> SPEAKER: ALICIA HUGHES I RECOGNIZE HOMES BY HUGHES.

>> MR.PUCKHABER: I JUST WANTED TO KNOW IF YOU WANTED TO MAKE STATEMENTS. CAN YOU PULL THAT MICROPHONE

DOWN? >> SPEAKER: THERE IS ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES ALL ALONG THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY.

WE ARE JUST REQUESTING TO RE-SUMMIT FOR RESIDENTIAL.

>> MR.PUCKHABER: JUST HER NAME AND ADDRESS.

>> ANGIE HUGHES AG WBS, 204 SE. 2ND AVENUE MELROSE, FLORIDA.

>> MR.PUCKHABER: THANK YOU.S THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WANTS TO SPEAK ON THIS ITM? SEEING THAT, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND BRING IT BACK TO THE BOARD.

DOES ANYBODY HAVE COMMENTS OR A MOTION ON THIS ONE?

>> SPEAKER: I MOVE THE STAFF REPORT ON THIS.

>> MR.PUCKHABER: I HAVE A SECOND FROM BELINDA.

OKAY. I THINK THIS ONE PROBABLY DOESN'T WARRANT A WHOLE LOT OF DISCUSSION EVERYTHING AROUND IT WE ARE JUST KIND OF MOVING THE LIGHT AWAY FOR THE RESIDENTIAL.

>> THAT'S WHAT I STARTED TO SAY.

IT'S VERY BROAD. WITH THAT IN MIND, I WILL CALL THE QUESTION ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION STATE AYE.

>> ALL: AYE. >> SPEAKER: OPPOSE? THIS ONE IS 6 TO 0. THE NEXT ITEM IS PUBLIC HEARING TO

[6.  Public Hearing to Consider Rezoning Application Z-19-13 BB to RB]

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>> SPEAKER: AND AS ON THE SCREEN THEY COMPANION REZONING FROM BB TO RB WOULD BE IN CONCERT WITH WHAT YOU JUST MADE AND THE STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL.

>> MR.PUCKHABER: ANY QUESTIONS? WITH THE RURAL FRENCH AND THE RB, HOW MANY UNITS WILL GOING THERE?

>> I BELIEVE IT'S 1 TO 3 BUT YOU HAVE TO GET POINTS FOR THE THREE. THEY ARE CLOSE ENOUGH TO THE SCHOOL AND THE FIRE STATION AND SO WANT TO GET POINTS BUT THEY'VE ONLY GOT .77 OF AN ACRE SO THEY WON'T GET TO THREE.

THEY POTENTIALLY MIGHT GET TO TWO.

>> MR.PUCKHABER: LET ME OPEN PUBLIC HEARING.

I'M NOT GOING TO ASK THE APPLICANT TO COME UP.

ANYBODY ELSE WANT TO SPEAK ON THIS? SEEING THEN I WILL CLOSE THE HEARING AND BRING IT BACK.

>> MOVED TO APPROVE. >> SECOND.

>> A MOTION FROM BELINDA AND A SECOND FROM MARY.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING THAT, ALL IN FAVOR, SAY

AYE. >> AYE.

>> ALL OPPOSED? OKAY.

THANK YOU. ITEM NUMBER THREE IS A PUBLIC

[2.  Public Hearing to Consider Rezoning Application Z-19-11 RC to AR]

CHANGE OF ZONING THERE ARE TWO PARTIALS AT APPROXIMATELY 1.2 ACRES TOTAL LOCATED WITHIN URBAN CORE AND THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING CHANGE IN ZONING IN ORDER TO CONSTRUCT SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENCE. THE CURRENT ZONING REQUIRES DUPLEX IN TRIPLEX IS ONLY THE SURROUNDING ZONING TO THE NORTH POI WHICH IS RIGIDLY HIGH SCHOOL TO THE EAST RC TO THE SOUTH AR TO THE WEST AR. IT'S AN AERIAL VIEW OF THE SITE. STAFF IS REVIEWED THE APPLICATION AND DETERMINE THE REQUEST CONSISTENT WITH THE COMP PLAN AND SURROUNDING AREA THAT WOULD RECOMMEND APPROVAL.

>> MR.PUCKHABER: THANK YOU. NY QUESTIONS? I HAVE ONE. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE BASED ON THE MAP THERE IS STILL GOING TO BE A CHUNK OF THE RC ZONING ON EITHER SIDE OF THIS, RIGHT?

>> CORRECT. THE APPLICANT DOES NOT OWN

THOSE TWO CASES. >> OKAY.

LET ME OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS ONE.

IS HE UP IN HERE? IS THE APPLICANT HERE FOR THIS ONE? I DON'T SEE AN APPLICANT HERE.

SO DOES ANYBODY ELSE WANT TO SPEAK ON THIS? YES MA'AM. YOU NEED TO COME UP TO THE MICROPHONE, PLEASE. WE ARE RECORDED AND TELEVISED SO IF YOU ARE NOT HERE, NO ONE HEARS YOU.

IF YOU WOULD STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.

>> CHRISTINE ROBERTSON, 2745 RUSSELL RD., GRINKOV.

I JUST WONDERED IF YOU COULD CLARIFY WHAT ALL OF THESE ZONINGS ARE. LIKE MARK SOMETHING WE ARE

SITTING BACK YOUR CONFUSED. >> MR.PUCKHABER: SHORT.

SURE. NOW, THIS ONE IS RC IS WHAT THE PROPERTY CURRENTLY IS. RC IS A MULTIFAMILY ZONING THAT ALLOWS FOR APARTMENTS, TOWNHOMES, DUPLEXES, TRIPLEX IS. THE ZONING THAT'S BEING REQUESTED WHICH IS AR IS BACK RESIDENTIAL WHICH IS MUCH LESS INTENSE ZONING. WETLAND USE IS THIS ONE? URBAN CORE. SO UNDER URBAN CORE DAR ZONING THEY CAN ONLY PUT ONE DWELLING UNIT PER HALF ACRE.

SO THIS IS IN A SINGLE-FAMILY HOME ZONE ONLY.

THIS IS A DOWN ZONE TO LOWER INTENSITY.S THAT WHAT YOU NEEDED TO KNOW? I KNOW.

IT CAN GET CONFUSING. WE GET USED TO WHAT THESE ARE.

JUST AS A POINT OF INFORMATION, THE COUNTY WEBSITE WHICH IS WWW.CLAY COUNTY GOP .COM, GO TO THE COUNTY WEBSITE AND TYPE IN LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS. IT WILL TAKE YOU TO A PAGE ON THE COUNTY WEBSITE THAT YOU CAN SEARCH THAT HAS ALL THIS

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I HAVE A HARD COPY OF IT ABOUT THAT THICK SO YOU DEFINITELY WANT TO USE THE SEARCH FEATURE WHEN YOU ARE TRYING TO FIND SOMETHING BUT IT'S VERY USEFUL. AND I DON'T WANT TO INUNDATE THEM BUT OUR STAFF IS VERY HELPFUL.

IF YOU REALLY RUN INTO A PROBLEM, CALL AND ASK.

THEY WORK FOR YOU. >>.

THAT I TAKE THE BOAT ON THIS ONE? NO. SO LET ME CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING ON THAT. I WILL BRING IT BACK FOR

DISCUSSION OR EMOTION. >> MOVED TO APPROVE.

>> MR.PUCKHABER: ABBY BOSCHELL. >> SECOND.

>> MR.PUCKHABER: EMOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE THE STAFF REPORT. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, ALL IN FAVOR, STATE AYE.

NAY AYE. >> MR.PUCKHABER: THAT ONE CARRIES AS UNANIMOUS AS WELL. ITEM 4. THIS IS A PUBLIC

[3.  Public Hearing to Consider a Text Amendment to the Lake Asbury Master Plan]

TO CLEAN UP SOME WORDING IN THAT PARTICULAR DOCUMENT.

DO YOU HAVE THIS ONE? WHAT THIS IS WAS MORE OF A CLEANUP EFFORT TO TRY TO JUST GET IN LINE WITH WHAT WE DO CURRENTLY IN THE WAY THAT STAFF IS INTERPRETED THE LAKE ASBURY MASTER PLAN. WHAT WE BASICALLY DID HEAR WE REMOVED ANY EXPANSION OF 50 PERCENT OR MORE ANIMATED ANY EXPANSION SO MANY EXPANSION HAS TO MEET THE LAKE ASBURY STANDARDS, NOT THE PART THAT EXISTS BUT THE EXPANSION DOES.

WE HAVE ADDED AG AND AR TO THE LIST OF ZONING DISTRICTS THAT CAN BE BASICALLY IF YOU ÃIF WE GRANTED YOU ENTITLEMENTS OF MASTER-PLANNED COMMUNITY YOU HAVE FARM AND YOU DON'T DEVELOP AS MASTER-PLANNED COMMUNITY SOMETHING IS TO KEEP YOUR ENTITLEMENT. SO THAT'S WHAT THIS DOES IS TO CLEAN THAT UP SO USED TO LOOK AT THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMITTED USES THAT YOU WOULD. JUST TO CLEAN THAT UP.

AND ALSO ANY OF THOSE DISTRICTS THAT ARE COMMERCIAL AND ARE DEVELOPED THAT WE HAVE TO DEVELOP TO LAKE ASBURY STANDARDS EVEN THOUGH THEY HAD A DIFFERENT DESIGNATION IT WASN'T LAKE ASBURY THEY WOULD STILL HAVE THE DEVELOPMENT OF

LAKE ASBURY STANDARDS. >> MR.PUCKHABER: THANK YOU.

NY QUESTIONS FOR SETH?HE ONLY ONE I WANTED TO ASK, I THINK YOU REALLY KIND OF EXPLAINED IT PRETTY WELL.

I THINK YOU ANSWERED IT. AND SINCE I LOVE TO TALK SOMETIMES AND THESE PEOPLE APPEAR DON'T LIKE IT I WILL EXPLAIN IT SINCE WE HAVE AN INTERESTED PERSON THAT WOULD LIKE TO KNOW. LAKE ASBURY MASTER PLAN IS AN OVERLAY OR IT'S AN AREA OF THE COUNTY AROUND LAKE ASBURY THAT HAS ITS OWN UNIQUE SET OF ZONING RULES.

THAT'S WHAT WE USE WHENEVER WE ARE IN THE AREA OF THE COUNTY.

YOU HEAR IT REFERRED TO AS LAKE ASBURY MASTER PLAN THAT HAS REQUIREMENTS AND ZONING AND LAND USE AND DEVELOPMENT AND SO ON THAT ARE UNIQUE TO THAT AREA OF THE COUNTY.

THERE IS ANOTHER ONE IN THE BRANNAN FIELD AREA THE SAME WAY. THE MASTER PLAN.

IF YOU ARE NOT IN ONE OF THOSE MASTER-PLANNED AREAS PRETTY MUCH JUST STANDARD ZONING APPLIES EVERYWHERE ELSE.

>> SPEAKER: IS MORE RESTRICTIVE.

>> MR.PUCKHABER: IT DEPENDS ON HOW YOU LOOK AT IT.

IT COULD BE CONSIDERED MORE RESTRICTIVE, IT COULD BE CONSIDERED MORE GUIDANCE. HOW ABOUT THAT?

>> SPEAKER: ARCHITECTURAL DESIGNS.

>> MR.PUCKHABER: YES. SO LET ME OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS. SINCE THIS IS A COUNTY INITIATED ORDINANCE THE COUNTY IS THE APPLICANT AND THEY HAVE ALREADY SPOKEN. DOES ANYBODY ELSE WANT TO TALK ABOUT THIS ONE? MR. LEHMAN, WOULD YOU HAVE

ANYTHING? >> SPEAKER: JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, WE WERE APPROACHED SO THERE ARE TWO APPLICANTS CLARKE COUNTY BEING ONE.

>> MR.PUCKHABER: CAN WE HEAR FROM MS. FRAZIER? JUST GIVE US THE LOGIC BEHIND THIS, PLEASE.

>> I REPRESENT A LOT OF PEOPLE. SUSAN FRASER.

JACKSONVILLE. THE LANGUAGE THAT YOU ARE GOING TO CONSIDER TONIGHT IS THE LANGUAGE THAT'S IN THE BRANNAN FIELD MASTER PLAN AND THE PROCESS IS THE SAME THAT THEY MASTER-PLANNED CAME IN AND ADDED LAND USE AND ZONING TO PEOPLE'S PROPERTY. PEOPLE ASKED FOR IT AND THE MASTER PLAN APPLIED IT TO YOUR PROPERTY.

THIS MASTER-PLANNED HAS BEEN IN PLACE SINCE 2000 AND 2006 SO 20

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IT'S HOW WE APPLY IT BUT YOU COULD NOT FIND IT IN A CODE.

IT'S A WAY TO MAKE YOU AWARE THAT HOW THIS IS APPLIED.

>> MR.PUCKHABER: I HAD A FUNDAMENTAL PROBLEM.

IF THE COWS HAVE BEEN THERE FOR 50 YEARS WILL YOU TELL THEM TO

MOVE? >> WE DON'T HAVE ANY DAIRIES IN THIS COUNTY ANYMORE. THE LAST ONE SHUT DOWN.

BUT I KNOW PEOPLE OUT THERE STILL KEEP LIVESTOCK.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? LET ME CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS ONE. ANY DISCUSSION?

I WILL TAKE THE MOTION. >> MOVED TO APPROVE.

>> SECOND. >> MR.PUCKHABER: WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND BY MR. MACHALA.

ANY FURTHER? IF NOT, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR,

STATE AYE. >> ALL: AYE.

>> MR.PUCKHABER: OPPOSE? OKAY.

[4.  Public Hearing to Consider Rezoning Application Z-19-16 AR to PS-5 2769 CR 220]

SO THAT'S FROM AN AGRICULTURAL RESIDENTIAL ZONING TO PRIVATE

SERVICE. >> SPEAKER: PRIVATE SERVICES.

>> MR.PUCKHABER: YEAH. SO TO PRIVATE SERVICES, WHICH MR. WILLIAMS IS GOING TO EXPLAIN TO US.

>> I THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION OF Z 19 -16 REQUEST AND CHANGE OF ZONING PARCEL IS APPROXIMATELY 3 1/2 TO 4 ACRES LOCATED WITHIN THE URBAN LAND USE CATEGORY.

EQUESTING CHANGING ZONING ORDER TO CONSTRUCT A 10,290 FOOT ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY AND AN INDEPENDENT LIVING FACILITY. THE ZONING IS TO THE NORTH RE: TO THE EAST SOUTH AND WEST IS AR.

THIS IS AN AERIAL VIEW OF THE SITE.

THIS IS ACTUALLY THE SITE PLAN WHEN HE REZONED TO PS FIVE YOU ARE REQUIRED TO HAVE A SITE PLAN TO GO BY BY PUD.

STAFF REVIEWED THE APPLICATION AND CONSISTS: THE STAFF

RECOMMENDED APPROVAL. >> MR.PUCKHABER: ANY QUESTIONS

FOR STAFF? >> WHAT'S THE UNDERLYING LAND USE? AND THE APPLICANT AND THEIR ENGINEERS AS HERE TO EXPLAIN ANYTHING.

WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC COMMENT. IF THE APPLICANT WILL COME FORWARD, PLEASE. GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS

AND THE MICROPHONE IS YOURS. >> GOOD EVENING I AM THE APPLICANT AND CIVIL ENGINEER ON 625 QUAIL RIDGE DOCTOR, PONTE

VEDRE, FL. >> MR.PUCKHABER: DO YOU WANT TO

TELL US WHAT YOU HAVE IN MIND? >> IT'S A 3 1/2 ACRE SITE ON COUNTY ROAD 220 AND THE INTENT IS TO HAVE A 30 BED ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY IN THE BACK AND A 24 UNIT INDEPENDENT LIVING FACILITY IS FOR ELDERLY CARE AND ELDERLY PEOPLE TO RESIDE IN. IF THE IDEA IS TO TRY TO KEEP THEM TO WHERE THEY FEEL THEY ARE AT HOME INSTEAD OF AN

INSTITUTIONAL ENVIRONMENT. >> MR.PUCKHABER: ANYBODY HAVE QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT THE QUESTIONS?HANK YOU.

WE WILL CALL YOU BACK IF WE NEED TO.

WHAT'S THE BUFFER? >> WE ARE ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL.T WOULD BE A 20 FOOT BARRIER WITH SCREENING ELEMENT AND WITH IT BEING AR ALL AROUND IT'S GOING TO BE THE

PERIMETER. >> MR.PUCKHABER: I DO HAVE ONE CARD ON THIS. IF YOU SELECTED THE RIGHT ONE, TRACY SMITH, IS THIS THE ITEM Ã THE WRONG ITEM? JUST RAISE YOUR HAND AND WE WILL GET TO THE RIGHT ITEM.

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>> SPEAKER: DID LETTERS GO OUT TO THE EXISTING HOMEOWNERS

COMMIT. >> GASKET WHERE REQUIRED TO DO

IT WITHIN 350 FEET. >> SPEAKER: AND HAD NO RESPONSE

BACK? >> NOT ME PERSONALLY, NO.

>> MR.PUCKHABER: THAT WAS KIND OF MY QUESTION. WAS WONDERING IF WE GOT ANY INTEREST BECAUSE THIS PROPERTY IS COMPLETELY SURROUNDED BY AR. IT REALLY LOOKS OUT OF PLACE TO ME, I AM A LITTLE CONCERNED THAT THE RESIDENTS -- NOBODY SHOWED UP TO TALK ABOUT THIS BECAUSE I WOULD NORMALLY BE AGAINST THIS BECAUSE I DON'T THINK IT FITS THE COMMUNITY, HOWEVER, I DO KNOW COUNTY ROAD 220 IS SLATED TO BE FOUR LANES--IS IT FOUR-LANE OR SIX LANE?

THIS SECTION? >> IT'S BORLASE.

>> MR.PUCKHABER: FOUR-LANE TO MAYBE EVERYBODY IS PLANNING ON TRYING TO SELL THE PROPERTY AND GET OFF THE FOUR-LANE ROAD.

EXCUSE ME? I AM GOING TO REOPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING BECAUSE ÃIS THIS THE ONE YOU DID WANT TO SPEAK ON?

>> TERESA SMITH AND MY ADDRESS IS 2759 COUNTY RD.

ADJACENT TO THE PROPERTY. AND I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A SENIOR LIVING FACILITY AS A NEIGHBOR.

>> YOU ARE FINE WITH THIS COMMIT.

>> I AM DEFINITELY FINE WITH IT.

I MIGHT NEED IT. >> MR.PUCKHABER: THANK YOU, MA'AM. LET ME CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. DO YOU WANT TO SPEAK, SIR? COME ON UP. I AM REOPENING IT.

AND WE GET TO INTRODUCE PEANUT. >> MY NAME IS WESTMORELAND 6110 PARK ST., JACKSONVILLE, FL. I AM A CONTRACTOR FOR THE OWNER AND WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE ADJACENT PROPERTY, THE CURRENT OWNER ACTUALLY OWNS THE PIECE NEXT DOOR TO HIM WHICH THEY HAVE AN AGREEMENT TO BUY IT DOWN THE ROAD WHEN THE CURRENT OWNER IS READY TO SELL. HE'S JUST NOT READY TO SELL.

YOU HAVE THE SALVATION ARMY ONE PARCEL OVER WHICH IS COMMERCIAL AND AGAIN AS MY ENGINEER SAID THIS IS NOT AN INSTITUTIONAL STYLE BUILDING FOR ASSISTED LIVING.

THEY ARE BUILT LIKE A HOMESTYLE.

SO THAT'S PRETTY MUCH WHAT I WANT TO SAY BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE FOR THESE THINGS. I HAVE BUILT MANY OF THEM OVER THE LAST 15 YEARS AND WE HAVE HAD NO OBJECTIONS WHERE WE HAVE

PUT THEM OUT. >> MR.PUCKHABER: GREAT.

THANK YOU. I WILL MAKE A POINT OF GOING BACK AND LOOKING AFTER YOU ARE DONE BY HIM.

THIS TIME, FOR SURE, CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING.

SO MANY FURTHER DISCUSSION IF NOT I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

>> MOVED TO APPROVE. >> SECOND.

>> MR.PUCKHABER: I HAVE A MOTION AND MARRIED MAY 2. ANY FURTHER? ZAINAB, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR

STATE AYE. >> ALL: AYE.

>> MR.PUCKHABER: OPPOSE? THAT PASSES ALSO, KELLY.

[1.  Public Hearing to Consider Transmittal of CPA 2019-08 to change 169.26 acres from Agriculture to Rural Residential]

THIS IS A LAND-USE CHANGE AGAIN, I WILL TALK FOR JUST A SECOND. LAND-USE IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN ZONING. LAND-USE IS THE UNDERLYING USE OF A PROPERTY. YOU HAVE COMMERCIAL AND URBAN CORE AND AGRICULTURE AND THE SO THIS PARTICULAR ITEM WILL BE DISCUSSING IS GOING TO BE TOO CHANGE THE LAND FROM AGRICULTURAL TO RURAL RESIDENTIAL.

IT'S A TRANSMITTAL AND YOU CAN EXPLAIN IT FURTHER.

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>> I WILL BE HAPPYTO. THIS IS A TRANSMITTAL.

IT'S GREATER THAN 10 ACRES MEETING IS A LARGE-SCALE COMP PLAN MEETING IT GETS TRANSMITTED TO THE STATE AND OTHER AGENCIES FOR REVIEW. SO IT WILL COME BACK BEFORE THE BOARD SOMETIME PROBABLY MAYBE IN DECEMBER.

IT WILL ALSO COME BACK BEFORE THE SLIDING COMMISSION REZONING ONCE THE LAND USE HAS CHANGED. AGAIN, IS A COUNTY SPONSORED AND INITIATED COMP PLAN INITIATIVE FOR 70 PARCELS ALONG PCARTER SPENCER ROAD TOTALING 169.2 ACRES IS IN THE MIDDLEBURG QUAIL PLANNING DISTRICT.

ON YOUR LEFT IS A PARCEL MAP. AS YOU CAN SEE IF IT WAS AG THE REQUIREMENT WOULD BE ONE UNIT PER 20 ACRES.

THERE ARE ONLY TWO PARCELS AND IT'S AN ENTIRE AREA -ONE PARCEL THAT'S MORE THAN 20 ACRES AND TWO PARCELS MORE THAN 10 ACRES.

SO IT'S AN AREA THAT HAS DEVELOPED NOT ACCORDING TO AG LAND-USE AT ALL BUT RESIDENTIAL.

YOU CAN SEE ON THE RIGHT IT'S A LOT OF MOBILE HOMES, IT'S A SINGLE-FAMILY DWELLING UNITS. IT HAS THE AIRSTRIP TO THE SOUTH. IT REALLY IS INDICATIVE OF RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT EVEN THOUGH IT HAS AG LAND-USE.

THESE ARE SOME PICTURES THERE AS YOU CAN SEE IT'S DEVELOPED WITH SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENCE, THE WHOLE AREA.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE LEFT THAT'S BEEN LAND-USE.

FOR SOME REASON THE LAND-USE IS AG AND EMBEDDED BETWEEN TWO RURAL RESIDENTIAL LAND USE CATEGORIES.

WHY THAT IS I DON'T KNOW. IT LOOKS LIKE TO ME WITH THE PARCELS IS MORE INTENSE THAN THE PARCEL TO THE WEST AND ALMOST WERE EQUALLY INTENSIVE TO THE PARCEL ON RIGHT.

THOSE ARE OUR LAND-USE AND THIS IS AG LAND-USE.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE ZONING MAP, IT'S ZONED AG EVEN THOUGH ON YOUR WEST AND EAST OR AR ZONING CATEGORIES.

SO THIS IS AN ENCLAVE OF PRETTY MUCH AG LAND-USE BUT RESIDENTIAL EXISTING LAND-USE. AGAIN, IT'S OUTSIDE THE SERVICE. THERE'S CAPACITY OR SOLID WASTE. IT WILL HAVE MINIMAL IMPACT ON TRANSPORTATION AND I WILL TELL YOU WHY IN A SECOND.

IF YOU GO DOWN 84 PERCENT OF THE LOTS ARE DEVELOPED WITH MOST BEING NONCONFORMING. IF GIVEN A VERY RESIDENTIAL AREA OF THE COUNTY THAT WAS GIVEN AG LAND-USE.

AN ANALYSIS THE REASON THAT WE SPONSOR THIS, WE HAD AN OWNER OF THE 12.91 ACRE PARCEL ELECTED BY THE SLATED TO CONSTRUCT ONE ADDITIONAL DWELLING UNIT BUT HEWAS NOT PERMITTED UNDER AGRICULTURAL LAND USE.

WHEN WE MET WITH HIM HE WAS KIND OF SURPRISED THAT THIS IS AN AREA WITH ONE ACRE LOTS AND HE CAN'T EVEN DIVIDE HIS 12 ACRE AND HALF. SO THAT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE.

STAFF IS UNCLEAR ON WHY THERE PIS A POCKET OF AG LAND-USE EMBEDDED BETWEEN TWO AREAS OF RURAL RESIDENTIAL LAND DISPUTE WITH THE LAND COVER ON ALL PARKS SUPPORT SIMILAR.

STAFF WILL BE IN FAVOR OF RURAL RESIDENTIAL LAND USE WITH A LARGER ENCLAVE OF AG LAND-USE WE WOULD NOT BE IN FAVOR OF DOING A LAND-USE BECAUSE YOU HAVE ENCLAVE OF RESIDENTIAL WITHIN AG WITHIN RESIDENTIAL AND IT DIDN'T MAKE ANY SENSE.

WE BELIEVE CHANGING THE LAND-USE TO RURAL RESIDENTIAL IS CONSISTENT WITH THE CHARACTER OF THE SURROUNDING PARCELS. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL PROPOSED RESIDENTIAL LAND-USE CPA 2019 Ã08.

IF IT'S APPROVED IT WILL HAVE THE SAME LAND-USE AS THE AREA SPOKE TO THE EAST AND THE WEST AND THE OTHERS IN BELFORD PRESERVED IT'S THE GREEN AREA AND THAT AREA IS NOT TO BE

CHANGED. >> MR.PUCKHABER: ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? CHRISTA MCAULIFFE?

>> SPEAKER: HOW IS THIS GOING TO AFFECT SPENCER'S AIRPARK IF

AT ALL? >> IT WILL CHANGE THE LAND-USE.

IF YOU LOOK AT ÃI'M GOING TO GO BACK TO THE MAPS HERE.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE SPENCER LAND USE THAT'S A PARCEL IN THE SOUTHERN PORTION. FOR SOME REASON HALF IF THAT IS ZONED IT'S ONE PARCEL HALF OF THE ZONED R AND HALF AG.

THEY HAVE DIFFERENT ZONING WITHIN ONE PARCEL.

THAT DIDN'T MAKE ANY SENSE. WHY DO YOU HAVE ONE PARCEL WITH TWO DIFFERENT CATEGORIES? IT SHOULD BE EFFECTIVE UNLESS THEY WANT TO DEVELOP AND THEN THEY COULD MAYBE GET FIVE UNITS AND ITS ENTIRETY. WHILE IT LOOKS LIKE POTENTIAL INCREASE OF 25 UNITS THE MOST THAT YOU CAN HAVE AS YOU COULD SUBDIVIDE OR SPLIT THIS PARCEL IN HALF MAYBE GET ONE MORE UNIT AND MAYBE GET TWO, THREE, FOUR UNITS THERE.

HOW IT'S INCREASING FROM AG TO LAND-USE, IT'S REALLY ONLY INCREASING THE DEVELOPMENT BY FIVE UNITS AT MOST.

>> THANK YOU. >> YOU CAN ONLY GET FIVE UNITS

IN THERE? >> ONE UNIT PER FIVE ACRES.

>> AND YOU SAID 84 PERCENT OF IT IS ALREADY DEVELOPED?

>> IS AREADY DEVELOPED. >> WHAT HAPPENS TO THE OTHER

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>> NUMBER PARCELS. >> SO THERE ARE PARCELS IN THERE WITH SOMETHING ON THEM. SINCE THEY ARE NONCONFORMING ARMY LOTS OF RECORD? COULD SOMEONE PUT SOMETHING ON

THEM? >> WAS LIKELY NO BUT THIS DOESN'T CHANGE THAT THEY COULDN'T ANYWAY.

THEY PROBABLY COULD NOT BECAUSE THEY ARE STILL NONCONFORMING.

>> WHEN I FIRST LOOKED AT 169 ACRES IS ABOUT TO FREAK OUT.

>> MARY, YOU HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF?

>> I DO I WAS EVEN WITH THE LAND-USE CHANGE, MOST OF THE PARCELS WILL REMAIN NONCONFORMING.

IF THAT'S TRUE, WHY WOULDN'T YOU CHOOSE A DIFFERENT

APPROACH? >> TO GET A CONFORMING LADY SHE WILL PROBABLY HAVE TO GO URBAN CORE AND THERE'S NO WAY THIS COUNTY STAFF IS GOING TO APPROVE THAT IN THIS AREA OF THE COUNTY. YOU KNOW THEY ARE GOING TO BE NONCONFORMING AND IF THEY BURNED DOWN OR SOMETHING THEY WILL HAVE TO EITHER GET A VARIANCE TO BUILD OR THEY WILL

GET TO REBUILD. >> SO URBAN CORE ÃYOU WOULD HAVE TO GET A MORE INTENSE LAND-USE.

THE REASON WE CHOSE OUR LAND-USE IS IS CONSISTENT WITH THE OTHER SURROUNDING AREAS. IT IS CONSISTENT TO THE EAST AND THE WEST. IT DOESN'T LOOK AS OUT OF PLACE. JUST PUMPING ACT, ONE ACRE LOTS WHICH DIDN'T MAKE ANY SENSE AT ALL.

>> I THOUGHT WE HAD A POLICY TO PROTECT THAT FROM HAPPENING IF THEY HAD LOST HER HOME AND A FAR.> THERE IS A REBUILD POLICY. THEY COULD BUILD ACCORDING TO THE SAME FOOTPRINT BUT NOT EXPAND.

>> THEY CAN KIND OF REPLACE IT. >> GOT YOU.

I THOUGHT WE GOT THAT AND BECAUSE IT WASN'T THERE IN A

WHILE. >> 2010 IS WHEN THEY GOT THAT.

>> OKAY.HANK YOU. LET ME OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS. WHILE THE COUNTY APPLICANT WE HEARD FROM THE COUNTY ALREADY. I DO HAVE -- KURT SPENCER? THERE YOU ARE.'M SORRY. I GOT THE SPENCER BUT I WASN'T

SURE OF THE FIRST NAME. >> I AM KURT SPENCER I LIVE AT 5339 AND I HAVE A COUPLE OF CONCERNS ABOUT THIS.

I MEAN, IT LOOKS LIKE THIS IS BENEFITING ONE PERSON, THE 12 POINT ACRES RIGHT THERE, THAT WAS SOLD, AND I GUESS IT'S TRYING TO BE SPLIT UP AND THAT'S THE REASON WHY THE COUNTY TOOK THE INITIATIVE TO CHANGE THE ZONE.

WE HAVE AN AIRSTRIP AND WE ARE A WORKING FARM.

THAT'S MY TWO BIGGEST CONCERNS IF WE CHANGE THIS, WE GET MORE PEOPLE OUT THERE, YOU KNOW, HOWEVER THEY FEEL ABOUT THIS AIRSTRIP. IT'S BEEN THERE FOR YEARS AND THAT'S MY BIGGEST CONCERN AND GOING FROM AG TO RR, HOW IS THAT GOING TO AFFECT OUR FARM? AND THAT'S THE TWO BIGGEST CONCERNS I HAVE. SO I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF THIS AT ALL. AND THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT DID NOT SHOW UP TONIGHT THAT'S NOT IN FAVOR OF IT.

BUT THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT. THANK YOU.

>> MR.PUCKHABER: DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? MR. SPENCER? ACTUALLY DO HAVE ONE.S THAT YOUR PROPERTY, THE REALLY LARGE PIECE THAT'S THERE?

>> YES. >> MR.PUCKHABER: THE ONE THAT KIND OF JUTS WAY OUT TO THE RIGHT THERE? OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU. ANYBODY HAVE ÃANYBODY ELSE WISH TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? I AM GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING --I'M SORRY. LET ME REOPEN THAT.

>> SPEAKER: CHRISTINE ROBERTSON, 2745 RUSSELL RD.

I AGREE WITH HIM. MY BROTHER HAS BEEN FLYING OUT THERE FOR YEARS. WAINWRIGHT.

I AGREE WITH HIM. THERE'S TOO MUCH CHANGE.

THEY HAVE HAD THAT AIRFIELD FOREVER SO WHATEVER HE SAYS, I

AGREE. >> MR.PUCKHABER: THANK YOU.

ANYONE ELSE? I AM GOING TO CLOSE IT.

I WILL BRING IT BACK TO THE BOARD HERE FOR DISCUSSION.

I DO HAVE A QUESTION. ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANYTHING YOU

WANT TO ASK? >> I DO.

HOW MANY DWELLING UNITS DO YOU THINK THAT COULD GO THERE BY

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THIS LAND USE CHANGE? >> NOT COUNTING THE SPENCER PROPERTY? OR INCLUDING HIS PROPERTY? HIS PROPERTY WOULD HAVE THE MOST AND THAT WILL BE 2 TO 3.

THE ONLY ONE NOT INCLUDING THE SPENCER PROPERTY WOULD BE ONE

MORE. >> IF HE DOES NOT WANT TO BE--ARE YOU SAYING HIS PROPERTY IS GOING TO BE INCLUDED IN THIS

OVERLAY? >> YEAH BECAUSE IT DIDN'T MAKE ANY SENSE TO STAFF TO HAVE AN ENCLAVE AND WE STILL HAVE THE AG ENCLAVE PROBLEM AND STAFF 'S OPINION --IF HE WANTS TO DEVELOP IT'S HIS RIGHT TO DEVELOP BUT IT IS CONCERNED ABOUT ONE ADDITIONAL UNIT IN THE ENTIRE AREA.THAT'S NOT

INCLUDING HIS PROPERTY. >> IF HE WANTS TO OPT OUT CAN

HE OPT OUT IF NOT? >> SPEAKER: IF HE COULD CONVINCE THE COMMISSION, BUT WHY DOES HE HAVE ONE PARCEL WITH TWO ZONINGS?HERE'S NO HARM TO HIM IN PROVIDING THIS.

I CAN TALK TO HIM AND WE HAVE HAD VERY CORDIAL DISCUSSIONS AND EVERYTHING. BUT WE DON'T SEE THE POINT OF LEAVING. IT SHOULDN'T AFFECT HIS PROPERTY IN THE LEAST, UNLESS HE WANTED TO DEVELOP.

IF YOU WANTED TO DEVELOP AND HAD AG, HE WOULD HAVE ONE TO 20 HE COULD MAYBE GET ONE UNIT THERE.

>> SPEAKER: WELL, I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT I ALSO UNDERSTAND, TOO, WHEN YOU HAVE A SITUATION ALSO WITH WHEN WE DEVELOP THE LAND CLOSE TO CAMP BLANDING AS FAR AS LETTING PEOPLE KNOW THE NOISE AND THAT THERE'S AN EXISTING I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAVE THE PROTECTION THAT NOTHING IS GOING TO HAPPEN TO THE AIRSTRIP THAT'S BEEN THERE FOR 100 YEARS.

>> I DON'T THINK IF YOU MAINTAINED OR YOU CHANGED IT TO RR IT WOULD MAKE PAYMENT. IF HE WANTS TO OPT OUT I WILL ENTERTAIN THAT. TO US IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.

I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY HARM IN IT IF YOU WANT TO REMAIN AG.

>> SPEAKER: I HAVE A QUESTION. MR. SPENCER, DOMINIC SAID HE HAD A FARMING OPERATION. IS IT ON THIS PROPERTY OR JUST AIRSTRIP. I'M ASKING HIM THE QUESTION.

THE AIRSTRIP IS ON BOTH PARCELS COMMIT QUICKLY AIRSTRIP IS ON BOTH YOUR PARCELS?> SPEAKER: AREN'T THERE ANY AGRICULTURAL

OPERATIONS ON THIS PARCEL? >> YES.

THERE'S A HAYFIELD AND WE ARE GROWING TEMPER.

>> SPEAKER: OKAY. SO IF MR. SPENCER WANTED TO SELL THIS PARCEL TO SOMEONE WHO WANTED TO CONTINUE AGRICULTURAL OPERATIONS, HE COULD NOT DO SO IF WE APPROVE THIS?

>> IF HE MAINTAINED THE SAME OPERATION HE COULD BUT HE WANTED TO CHANGE THE AG OPERATION HE PROBABLY COULD.

IF YOU WANTED TO ENLARGE THE FARMING BUILDING HE PROBABLY COULD. IF HE WANTED TO MAINTAIN IT.

>> SO HE COULD SELL IT TO SOMEONE WHO WOULD CONTINUE THE SAME OPERATIONS AS THEY ARE NOW EVEN IF THIS LAND-USE CHANGE GOES THROUGH? THAT WAS MY QUESTION AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S HELPFUL TO YOU, MR. SPENCER.

>> I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF ANYBODY CAN ANSWER THIS QUESTION HERE.

MY CONCERN WOULD BE THAT IT'S GOING TO CHANGE LAND-USE ON THE TAX ROLLS. AND IF HE IS RUNNING A FARM OUT THERE AND DOESN'T WANT TO DEVELOP, IF WE CHANGE IT FROM AG TO RURAL RESIDENTIAL, THAT'S GOING TO COST THE TAX ASSESSOR TO LOOK AT THIS PARCEL AGAIN, WHICH I DON'T THINK THAT'S ANYBODY'S INTENT. YOU KNOW, WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IS WE PROBABLY NEED THE PARCEL NUMBER BUT TO CARVE THE PARCEL OUT OF THIS. I DON'T THINK WE HAVE AN ISSUE OR I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH CHANGE IN THE REST OF IT.

BUT CARVE THAT PIECE OUT. OF THIS CHANGE.

>> FROM A STAFF STANDPOINT I HEAR YOU WILL CARVE THE PARTS OUT WHAT YOU LIKE TO INCLUDE THE ENTIRE PARCEL AS AG WHICH IT MAKE MORE SENSE BECAUSE WHILE ONE PARCEL WITH TWO DIFFERENT LAND USES, OR JUST A PORTION WITHIN THE AG EXISTING

AG? >> I WOULD SAY FOR PURPOSES OF OUR DISCUSSION, I WOULD JUST CARVE OUT OF THIS CHANGE THAT PARCEL, JUST LEAVE IT AS IS AND OVER THE NEXT THREE WEEKS PERHAPS YOU COULD SPEAK WITH MR. SPENCER AND SEE WHAT ÃIT WOULD GIVE HIM AN OPPORTUNITY TO CHECK THE TAX PEOPLE AND FIND OUT WHAT'S BEST BECAUSE IT MIGHT EVEN BE BETTER TO MAKE

THE WHOLE THING AG. >> I AM SURE YOU HAVE GREENBELT, CORRECT? SO THAT COULD BE AN ISSUE ALSO

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'M NOT SURE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE LAW IS

ACCORDING TO THAT. >> LET ME GIVE YOU SOME TIME TO LOOK INTO THAT BECAUSE IT MIGHT BE ADVANTAGEOUS.

IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO BE SPLIT, TO GO ALL AG OR LEAVE IT AS IS WHATEVER WORKS OUT BEST, BUT I CAN'T MAKE THE MOTION FROM THE CHAIR BUT I WOULD LIKE TO CARVE THAT PEACE WOULD BE MY

PREFERENCE. >> SO MOVE.

>> DO WE HAVE TO DO IT AS A MOTION?

>> MR.PUCKHABER: GO AHEAD. YOU HAVE A QUESTION?

>> I HAVE A QUESTION. ED, YOU SAID THIS ACTION WOULD NOT NEGATIVELY AFFECT MR. SPENCER'S AIRFIELD, AND I ALSO HEAR PEOPLE SAYING THAT IT VERY WELL COULD.

I AM TRYING --I'M CONFUSED. >> I DON'T ANTICIPATE -WE WILL TALK TO THE PROPERTY ASSESSOR BUT AS FAR AS I UNDERSTAND THEY BASE IT ON YOUR USE. YOUR ZONING HAS NO EFFECT ON YOURO I REALLY DON'T SEE THIS AFFECTING IT AT ALL.

BUT AGAIN, THE EASIEST WAY AND THE BEST WAY AND WHEN YOU MAKE THE MOTION MAKE IT CLEAR TO ME WHETHER YOU ARE SAYING JUST THE PARCEL WITH THE AG OR THE ENTIRE PARCEL BECAUSE IT'S TWO DIFFERENT MOTIONS. AND I THINK YOU WERE SAYING

JUST THE PART. >> WHAT I WAS SAYING AS I KNOW THAT PARCEL THAT'S ONE PARCEL, RIGHT? IT HAS A PARCEL NUMBER WHICH I DON'T HAVE AT THE TIP OF MY FINGERS. SO THE MOTION SHOULD READ APPROVE THE STAFF REPORT DELETE THAT PARCEL NUMBER FROM THE

RECOMMENDATION. >> WHERE WE TAKE NO ACTION ON

IT. >> THIS ONE PARCEL MAP HERE DOES HAVE ALL THE PARCEL NUMBERS ON IT SO CAN WE IDENTIFY THAT?> WE MIGHT NEED TO ASK HIM WHICH ONE Ã

WHICH PAGES ON? >> IT'S RIGHT HERE.

>> SPEAKER: PAGE 3. >> I HAVE TO GO THIS WAY.

>> WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO READ THAT.

THE NUMBER THAT THE CHAIR WANTS PTO CARVE OUT OF THIS MOTION AN MY MOTION DID NOT RECEIVE A SECOND BUT I'M GOING TO AMEND IT. THE ONE WE WANT TO CARVE OUT IS NUMBER 000 561 001 -00 AND THAT IS THE LARGEST PARCEL IN THIS THAT IS THE INTENT OF MY MOTION.

>> AND I SECOND. >> MR.PUCKHABER: I WANT TO CLARIFY THAT. THE MOTION IS TO APPROVE THE STAFF REPORT, UNLESS THAT PARTICULAR PARCEL WHICH IS CARVED OUT AND LEFT AS IS, IT'S NO LONGER A PART OF OUR RECOMMENDATION. IT IS NOT CLEAR ENOUGH?

>> IS CLEAR TO ME. I'M NOT GOING TO MESS WITH IT.

>> MR.PUCKHABER: OKAY. COURTNEY, IS THAT CLEAR ENOUGH?

>> SPEAKER: WHICH ONE IS IT? THIS ONE?

>> MY ONLY THINKING WAS -AND I'M NOT RECOMMENDING TO CHANGE THE MISSION-BUT IF MR. CARTER AND I DISCUSSED IT AND HE THINKS IT'S MORE ADVANTAGEOUS TO HAVE THE ENTIRE THING PULL OUT WHAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION MIND IF THE MOTION WAS KIND OF SELF AMENDING SO WE COULD GO WITHOUT RATHER THAN HAVE TO RECOMMEND SOMETHING? THAT'S ONLY IF MR. CARTER AGREES HE WOULD DO THE ENTIRE PROPERTY.

>> I THINK THAT THE BEST THING IS JUST DELETE IT, TAKE IT UP AS A SEPARATE ISSUE. WILL YOU COME BACK WHATEVER YOU GUYS DECIDE AND WE WILL DEAL WITH IT.

>> SO IF THE MOTION, JUST MAKE SURE, IS TO MOVE THE STAFF REPORT, BUT DELETE FROM IT THAT ONE SPECIFIC PARCEL NUMBER, WHICH I CAN'T READ BUT IT'S THE 20 ACRE PARCEL.

>>.

>> MR.PUCKHABER: IS NOT SUFFICIENT?

>>.

>> MR.PUCKHABER: IS NOT SUFFICIENT?

>>.

>> MR.PUCKHABER: ACCORDING TO THE MAPS PROVIDED BY THE PLANNER. IS THAT OKAY? ALL RIGHT. SO HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND FROM BELINDA. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, STAY AYE. >> ALL: AYE.

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>> MR.PUCKHABER: OPPOSED? OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. SO THAT WILL GO TO THE BBC.

MR. CARTER, YOU WILL HAVE TO GET WITH THE COUNTY -MR. SPENCER. YOU WILL HAVE TO GET WITH THE COUNTY AND WORK OUT WHAT YOU WANT TO DO WITH THAT.

THANK YOU. THE NEXT ITEM, NUMBER 7.

[8.  Public Hearing to Consider Transmittal of CPA 2019-09 Bradley Creek Holdings, Inc.]

IT'S THE OVERLAY OR THE ZONING FOR THAT PART OF THE COUNTY.

THE DASHED ROADS WHICH YOU WILL HERE REFER TO OUR ROADS THAT ARE PLANNED THAT ARE NOT THERE YET.

THEY ARE LITERALLY JUST DASHED LINES ON A MAP THAT AT SOME POINT THE COUNTY WOULD LIKE TO PUT THOSE ROADS IN.

GO AHEAD. >> THANK YOU, SIR.

THIS IS AN APPLICATION. MR. SWOFFORD IS REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT WHICH IS BRADLEY CREEK HOLDINGS, LLC.

IT IS IN PLANNING DISTRICT NUMBER SIX.

IT'S COMMISSION DISTRICT 5 MR. HENDRICK'S DISTRICT.

WE DID ADVERTISE THIS A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY THAN OTHER AMENDMENTS BECAUSE IT REALLY IS ÃFOR THE MOST PART JUST A REARRANGEMENT EXCEPT FOR THIS ISSUE WITH THE DASHED LINE ROADS. THE TAX PARCEL IS IRREGULAR SHAPED PARCEL AND AS YOU CAN SEE, THE EXPRESSWAY CUTS THROUGH THE PROPERTY. THE LAND TOUCHES ON SAND RIDGE RD., HENDRY ÃHANLEY ROAD AND COUNTY ROAD 209 RUSSELL RD.

SO IT'S FAIRLY EXPANSIVE PROPERTY.

WE DID GO OUT AND TAKE SOME PICTURES AROUND THE BOUNDARY.

SO IT'S BEEN IN TIMBER AND IT'S BEEN IN PASTURE FOR THE MOST PART AS FAR AS I CAN TELL AND FROM THE APPLICATION.

WHAT THE APPLICANTS ARE ASKING FOR IS THE REARRANGEMENT OF THE SIE. SO AS YOU CAN SEE HERE -- OKAY.

SO THE EXISTING LAND USE, AS YOU CAN SEE ON HERE, HAS A RURAL FRENCH AREA TO THE WEST. AND THE HIGHER DENSITIES ARE THE MPC. THEY ARE NOT A HUGE AMOUNT HIGHER BUT THE MPC CAN GO FROM 3 TO 5 DWELLING UNITS ASK SINGLE-FAMILY AND UP TO 12 DWELLING UNITS AS MULTIFAMILY WHEREAS THE RURAL FRENCH ONLY GOES FROM 1 TO 3. THE VILLAGE CENTER THAT'S MENTIONED IN HERE IS THIS LITTLE PURPLE AREA, A LITTLE PIECE OF THAT VILLAGE CENTER DID SLIDE OVER TO HANLEY ROAD IN THE PAST, AND IT'S THE VILLAGE CENTER THAT'S AND THE DEVELOPMENT WE KNOW AS VILLAGE PARK, WHICH IS STARTING CONSTRUCTION ALONG HANLEY ROAD NOW WITH THE THREE SUBDIVISIONS ABOUT 150 UNITS. THE DASHED LINE ROADS JUST LET ME POINT THEM OUT. EAST, WEST, 1 RUNS FROM THIS VILLAGE CENTER AND HANLEY ROAD COMES DOWN TO THE CORNER OF THIS PROPERTY THROUGH THE VILLAGE CENTER AND THEN INTERSECTS ÃIT INTERSECTS AT THIS CORNER IN THE VILLAGE CENTER WITH NORTH-SOUTH 1. NORTH-SOUTH 1 ALIGNS WITH EAST-WEST 1 COMING TO THIS POINT.

EAST-WEST 1 RUNS OVER TO RUSSELL ROAD, AND THERE'S AN OVERPASS IN A NEW FREE WAY TO GET OVER HERE.

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AT SILVER LAKE. SO THE APPLICANTS ARE PROPOSING ÃTHE APPLICANTS ARE PROPOSING TO MOVE THE VILLAGE CENTER FROM THIS POINT HERE OVER TO THIS LOCATION HERE.

AND THEN THEY ARE ALSO PROPOSING TO ELIMINATE THIS ALIGNMENT OF NORTH-SOUTH 1 GOING TO RUSSELL ROAD, WHICH IS UP HERE. AND THERE IS ÃOVERPASS, UNDERPASS PROPOSED ÃAPPROVED FOR CONSTRUCTION FOR THE FIRST CAUSE EXPRESSWAY IN THIS LOCATION.

AND THEN THEY ALSO ARE TALKING ABOUT REALIGNING THIS PORTION OF NORTH-SOUTH 3 TO MOVE IT TO A LOCATION THAT IS MORE OVER TO THE SIDE. SO WE HAVE GOT A COUPLE OF MOVEMENTS OF THINGS. STAFF HAS REVIEWED THE APPLICATION. WE DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE CONCEPT OF SWITCHING THE RURAL FRENCH FOR THE LAKE ASBURY MASTER-PLANNED COMMUNITY.

AND PART OF THE REASON THAT WE ARE IN FAVOR IF THAT IS THAT THE PROPERTY THAT IS EAST OF BRADLEY CREEK AND EAST OF THE FREEWAY IS HARDER TO ACCESS. IT'S SOILS ARE POOR IN TERMS OF DEVELOPMENT. THERE ARE MORE AMENITIES AND THINGS ALONG THE HANHENLEY ROAD CORRIDOR TO SUPPORT THE HIGHER DENSITY AND SO FLIPPING THE DENSITIES MAKES A LITTLE BIT OF SENSE. NOW, WE ARE NOT IN FAVOR OF MOVING THE VILLAGE CENTER. YOU'VE GOT AN INTERCHANGE VILLAGE CENTER. AT THIS LOCATION AND THIS IS EAST-WEST 1 AND THIS PORTION OF EAST-WEST 1 HAS ARTY GOT A NAME CALLED VERBENA PARKWAY. SO THAT IS COMING.

WE HAVE GOT THE EXISTING SHOPPING CENTER THAT IS ON HENLEY ROAD. IT HAS A WINN-DIXIE AND SOME OTHER SHOPS AND USES. THERE'S ALSO ABOUT SIX ACRES OF VACANT PROPERTY WITHIN THAT PUD.

IT'S NOT DEVELOPED YET. YOU HAVE A LITTLE OFFICE PARK PROJECT TO THE NORTH OF IT AND THERE'S SOME COMMERCIAL ON THE WEST SIDE OF HENLEY ROAD IN THAT LOCATION.

AND THEN THERE IS SIX ACRES MORE OF COMMERCIAL RUNNING ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE ROAD. WE HAVE COMMERCIAL ON HENLEY ROAD AND OUR FEELING IS IF WE ADD ANOTHER LITTLE PIECE OF COMMERCIAL ON HENLEY ROAD THAT WE ARE GOING TO INCREASE THE CONCEPT OF DEVELOPMENT AND MAKE IT MORE AVAILABLE.

FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE IF THE BOARD WERE TO WANT ADDITIONAL COMMERCIAL ON HANLEY ROAD WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE ROAD AND THE PROBLEM IS THEY ALL HAD TO GET IN THE LEFT TURN LANE TO GET TO THE SHOPS AND TO THE GAS STATION AND WHATEVER IS ON HENLEY ROAD.

IF WE WERE GOING TO ADD ANY MORE COMMERCIAL PROPERTY ON HANLEY ROAD, WE WOULD SUGGEST POTENTIALLY UP NEAR THE FREEWAY WE WOULD LOOK AT SOMETHING ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE ROAD AND COME UP WITH A PROPERTY THAT PEOPLE COULD MAKE A RIGHT TURN TO GET TO. JUST IN TERMS OF THE FLOW OF TRAFFIC, IT SEEMS LIKE A LITTLE BIT ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ROAD MIGHT BE A LITTLE BETTER. BUT - AND THEN ON TOP OF THAT LOOKING AT THE VILLAGE CENTER CONCEPT.

IT IS HARD TO IMAGINE WHEN NOTHING IS GOING ON WHEN THERE'S JUST TREES AND PASTURE, COWS OUT THERE.

THAT AT SOME POINT THERE IS GOING TO BE A LITTLE VILLAGE CENTER BUT THESE VILLAGE CENTERS, THIS ONE IS STILL 57 ACRES EVEN THOUGH WE TOOK OFF A LITTLE BIT AND STUCK IT OVER BY HENLEY ROAD ALREADY, IT'S 57 ACRES OF POTENTIAL COMMERCIAL.

IT IS VILLAGE CENTER COMMERCIAL SO IT'SA SMALL SCALE COMMERCIAL EXCEPT IT ALLOWS THE BIGGER GROCERY STORE AND THE

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AND THE THING IS IF WE DON'T PROVIDE FOR THE VILLAGE CENTERS IN THE MIDDLE, THEN EVERYTHING IS GOING TO BE ON HENLEY ROAD AND EVERYTHING ON SAND RIDGE ROAD AND EVERYTHING IS GOING TO BE ON COUNTY ROAD 209. WE HAVE TO BUILD THE DASHED LINE ROADS AND WE HAVE TO INCORPORATE THEM IN TERMS OF OUR COMMUNITY. THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE ONE, TO GO AHEAD AND MAKE THE SWITCH TO OTHER LAND USES KEEP THE VILLAGE CENTER WHERE IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE.

DO NOT CUT OFF THE NORTHBOUND PORTION OF NORTH-SOUTH ONE AND WE ARE OKAY WITH REALIGNING NORTH-SOUTH 2 BUT THERE IS FLOODPLAIN ALONG THAT CORRIDOR. AND SO THE AMOUNT OF REALIGNING THAT CAN BE DONE, I THINK, WILL BE UP TO THE COUNTY ENGINEERS WHERE THAT ROAD ALIGNMENT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE.

>> CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE LAST MAP FOR A SECOND? WHEN YOU SAID -WE HAVE TO STOP CALLING THIS FREEWAY.

IT'S A TOLL ROAD. STU AND I APOLOGIZE.

IT'S A CALIFORNIA THING. >> SPEAKER: UP THERE AT THE TOP OF THE MAP, WHAT IS THAT -THAT'S RUSSELL RHODES?

>> THIS IS RUSSELL. THIS IS THE ALIGNMENT OF NORTH-SOUTH THREE HOWEVER IT'S A DRIVEWAY INTO THE PROPERTY

OWNER'S PROPERTY AT THIS POINT. >> SPEAKER: OKAY.

AND IT'S NOT GOING TO BE AN INTERCHANGE.

IT'S GOING TO BE IN UNDERPASS? >> IS AN UNDERPASS.

>> SPEAKER: OKAY. AND THEN THE NEW ROAD GOES SOUTH END DOWN AND CONNECTS TO THE OTHER DOTTED LINE.

IT'S HARD TO SEE THE DOTTED LINE ON THAT MAP.

>> SPEAKER: WE HAVE HAD A SITE PLAN FOR A DEVELOPMENT CALLED BRADLEY CREEK, I THINK, WHICH WAS GOING TO BE RIGHT IN --ACTUALLY AT 209 AND IN THIS AREA ALREADY.

SO THERE IS POTENTIAL DEVELOPMENT COMING ALONG

RUSSELL ROAD AS WELL. >> OKAY.

IS THAT IT? >> SPEAKER: I THINK I SAID

EVERYTHING. >> CAN I PARAPHRASE WHAT YOU SAID JUST SO THAT WE ARE ALL KIND OF CLEAR?

>> THAT WASN'T CLEAR ENOUGH? >> MR.PUCKHABER: I THINK IT IS PUT I WANT TO READ IT BACK. SO WE ARE OKAY WITH THE AREA THAT WE WANT TO CHANGE. WE DON'T WANT TO MOVE THE ACTIVITY CENTER OR THE VILLAGE CENTER.

IT NEEDS TO STAY WHERE IT WAS. THEY DARTED ROADS -WE NEED THE ROADS, ALTHOUGH WE MIGHT REALIGN THAT ONE KIND OF IN THE CENTER OF THE MAP, AND THE LAND USE CHANGE FOR ESSENTIALLY THE

RESIDENCE, YOU ARE OKAY WITH. >> THE WEREWOLF RANCH WE ARE FINE WITH THAT CHANGE. WE ARE NOT RECOMMENDING THE CHANGE OF THE VILLAGE CENTER LOCATION.

>> OKAY. >> AND I BELIEVE THE APPLICANTS

ARE HERE. >> I KNOW THEY ARE HERE.

THEY ARE NEXT. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU ARE DONE. LET ME OPEN THAT UP.

THE APPLICANT WANTS TO PRESENT? SEND.

>> SPEAKER: GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE.

FOR THE RECORD I AM BRYCE CRAWFORD WITH ETM OUR ADDRESS IS 14775 OLD ST. AUGUSTINE ROAD IN JACKSONVILLE.

AND WITH ME HERE TONIGHT IS ALAN SKINNER REPRESENTING THE LANDOWNERS WHICH IS BRADLEY CREEK HOLDINGS, LLC.

THEY ARE LANDOWNERS. IT'S A FAMILY OWNED LAND, AND THEY'VE HAD IT FOR QUITE A FEW YEARS NOW.

THEY'RE NOT DEVELOPERS OR BUILDERS BUT SINCE DOT HAS PLANNED THE EXPRESSWAY AND PURCHASED THE PROPERTY AND AFTER BUILDING THE EXPRESSWAY, THEY CAME TO US TO HELP THEM

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AS YOU CAN SEE, THE EXPRESSWAY GOES TO THE MIDDLE OF THE SITE.

I AM GOING TO GO THROUGH A FEW SLIDES HERE.

LET ME PULL THIS UP. >> THIS IS A VICINITY MAP SHOWING THE PROPERTY OUTLINED IN YELLOW WITH THE GREEN EXPRESSWAY GOING. AS YOU CAN SEE IT GOES T THE MIDDLE OF IT IN THE NORTHERN PART OF THE LAKE ASBURY MASTER PLAN WHICH HAS REALLY BEEN THE AREA.

I THINK OVER THE NEXT 1 TO 2 DECADES, THIS WILL BE THE FASTEST GROWING PART OF CLAY COUNTY.

AS THE FLEMING ISLAND AREA OF RICHVIEW IS PRETTY MUCH BUILT OUT. DOES THIS HAVE A LASER? OKAY. I WILL KEEP MOVING ON.

SO THIS IS A LITTLE AREA REVIEW) OF THE PROPERTY ITSELF.

AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE NORTH END OF THIS SITE IS RUSSELL RD., COUNTY ROAD 209 DEVELOPMENT IN THAT AREA.

ALONG THE WEST SIDE IS HENLEY AT COUNTY ROAD 79 AND ON THE SOUTH SIDE IS SAND RIDGE ROAD AND HENLEY TO RUSSELL ROAD.

I SHOULD MENTION ANY NORTHWEST CORNER OF THE SITE RIGHT AT THE INTERCHANGE WITH THE FIRST COAST EXPRESSWAY ON ONLY ROAD IS VILLAGE PARK AND LUSTY PROJECT THAT HAS I THINK IT'S ABOUT 12 ACRES OF THE INTERCHANGE VILLAGE CENTER THAT WAS MOVED OFF OF THIS SITE OVER TO THAT AREA PREVIOUSLY.

THAT PROJECT IS CURRENTLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION.

WE WILL HAVE ABOUT 242 HOMES SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES AND ABOUT 46 TOWNHOMES. THE PROPERTY HAS FRONTAGE ON BOTH HENLEY ROAD AND SAND RIDGE ROAD WHEREAS THE PROPERTY ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE EXPRESSWAY CURRENTLY HAS REALLY NO ACCESS TO THE SITE. THIS IS THE EXISTING FUTURE LAND USE MAP AND THE LIGHTER YELLOW COLOR IS THE CURRENT RURAL FRENCH DESIGNATION WHICH IS KIND OF A HOLDOVER BEFORE LAKE ASBURY MASTER PLAN WAS ADOPTED.

THESE AREAS WERE PREVIOUSLY DESIGNATED RURAL FRENCH FOR SINGLE-FAMILY DEVELOPMENT AT UP TO THREE UNITS PER ACRE.

BRADLEY CREEK RUNS NORTH-SOUTH THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF THE SITE AND THAT'S THE GREENWAY AND GREEN SHOWN.

AND THEN A MASTER-PLANNED COMMUNITY IS LOCATED EAST OF BRADLEY CREEK IN THE BROWN COLOR AND AS CAROLYN MENTIONED THESE ARE SHOWN AS EAST-WEST 1 THAT RUNS EAST-WEST NEAR THE EXPRESSWAY INTERCHANGE AND RUSSELL ROAD.

THAT WILL CERTAINLY PROVIDE SIGNIFICANT RELIEF TO SAND RIDGE ROAD AS WELL AS RUSSELL ROAD IN THE FUTURE.

NORTH-SOUTH 3 RUNS FROM RUSSELL ROAD DOWN TO THE SITE TO SAND RIDGE ROAD. AND THAT ALSO WILL PROVIDE A BENEFIT TO HENLEY ROAD AT LEAST BETWEEN SANDRIDGE AND THE EXPRESSWAY. SO, AGAIN, BEFORE CHANGES IS THE REARRANGING OF MASTER-PLANNED COMMUNITY AND WORLD WAR FRENCH AND WE HAVE ADDED SOME GREENWAY IN THE PROPOSED FUTURE LAND MAP AND I WILL COVER THAT ANY MINUTE.

IT'S IMPORTANT TO POINT OUT THAT WE ARE NOT INCREASING THE DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS ON THE PROJECT OVERALL.

WE ARE JUST MOVING THINGS AROUND TRYING TO MAKE IT A LITTLE MORE DEVELOPABLE AND MAKE IT MORE OF A COMMUNITY MASTER-PLANNED COMMUNITY ON THE WEST SIDE OF BRADLEY CREEK THAT HAS THE ACCESS TODAY AND HAS EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE.

THE SECOND CHANGE IS TO REALIGN NORTH-SOUTH 3 AT SAND RIDGE ROAD, AND THEN RELOCATE THE VILLAGE CENTER TO HENLEY ROAD ELIMINATE NORTH-SOUTH 3 FROM EAST-WEST 1 WHERE THE VILLAGE CENTER IS WHERE IT GOES JUST NORTH TO RUSSELL ROAD.

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THERE WERE SOME AREAS WHERE WE ADDED THE GREENWAY'S, PARTICULARLY WHERE THERE IS A TRIBUTARY OF BRADLEY CREEK THAT COMES OUT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PROPERTY AND IT CROSSES THE NORTH-SOUTH 3 ROADWAY AND THAT'S ABOUT WHERE THE VILLAGE CENTER IS TODAY. THOSE ARE SIGNIFICANT WETLANDS THAT ARE CONNECTED TO BRADLEY CREEK AND WE HAVE HAD WETLAND BIOLOGISTS ON THE SITE DELINEATE THE WETLANDS.

TO THIS POINT, THEY HAVE GOTTEN WEST OF THE EXPRESSWAY DONE.

MOST OF THEM HAVE BEEN VERIFIED BY THE WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT AND THOSE ARE FAIRLY HIGH QUALITY WETLANDS BECAUSE THEY ARE CONNECTED TO BRADLEY CREEK.

THE OTHER CHANGE AS YOU CAN SEE THE VERY NORTHERN SEGMENT OF NORTH-SOUTH 3, WE REMOVE THAT AND I WILL COVER THAT LAST.

I UNDERSTAND THAT A STICKING POINT HERE TONIGHT.

AND THEN WE ALSO BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE A LOT MORE OF A FEASIBLE VILLAGE CENTER WITH COMMERCIAL OFFICE AND RETAIL USES IF IT WERE TO BE LOCATED ON HENLEY ROAD.

WHAT'S NOT SHOWN ON THIS MAP IS WE HAVE DONE SOME PRELIMINARY SITE PLANNING, AND THERE WOULD BE A FUTURE COLLECTR ROAD ESSENTIALLY THROUGH THE BOTTOM OF THE VILLAGE CENTER PARCEL SHOWN ON THIS MAP FROM HENLEY OVER TO THE NORTH-SOUTH 3 ROADWAY. AND THAT WOULD PROVIDE ESSENTIALLY A COMMERCIAL NOTE ON HENHENLEY ROAD.

SO FOR THE REASON ÃI WILL JUST GO THROUGH -IF YOU CAN GO BACK TO THE PREVIOUS ONE. PROPOSED LAND USE.

SO THE REASONING FOR THE CHANGE MOVIE MASTER-PLANNED COMMUNITY AROUND, OBVIOUSLY THE PARCEL WEST OF BRADLEY CREEK IS A LARGER PARCEL IT HAS ACCESS TODAY AS INFRASTRUCTURE.

SO IT SETS UP WELL FOR A MASTER-PLANNED COMMUNITY TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT. IT'S ALSO LOCATED CLOSER TO THE FUTURE INTERCHANGE AT HENLEY ROAD ON THE FIRST COAST EXPRESSWAY. SO MASTER-PLANNED COMMUNITY ALLOWS FOR SOME MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT AND CAN BE A LITTLE BIT MORE DENSE IN NATURE. AND BY MOVING BOTH THE VILLAGE CENTER TO HENLEY EQUITY MASTER-PLANNED COMMUNITY CLOSER TO WRAP AROUND THE VILLAGE CENTER, PROVIDES KIND OF A TRANSITION DENSITY AND INTENSITY FROM THE AREA CLOSEST TO THE FUTURE INTERCHANGE AND IT DECREASES INTENSITY AS YOU MOVE FURTHER AWAY FROM THE INTERCHANGE.

>>> THE REALIGNMENT OF NORTH-SOUTH THREE NELMS ROAD AT SAND RIDGE ROAD PROVIDES FOR A LARGER CONTINUOUS DEVELOPMENT PARCEL THAT WOULD ALL BE ON THE WEST SIDE OR LEFT SIDE OF THAT FUTURE ROADWAY. THE CURRENT LOCATION CREATES SOME ODD DEVELOPMENT PARCELS THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF THE SITE.

ANOTHER ISSUE IS IT CURRENTLY ALIGNS WITH THE ENTRANCE TO THIS SUBDIVISION AND SO IN THE FUTURE, THAT WOULD BE A ROAD THAT WOULD BE LINED UP WITH AN EXISTING SUBDIVISION ENTRANCE ON THE OTHER SIDE. SO THAT WOULD REQUIRE ADDITIONAL INTERSECTION MODIFICATIONS.

SO WE HAVE DECIDED TO MOVE FURTHER TO THE EAST SIDE OF THAT BOUNDARY AWAY FROM THE INTERSECTION.

THAT ALSO PROVIDES A NICE PARKWAY FIELD TO THAT FUTURE ROAD ALONG THE GREENWAY, SO YOU COULD HAVE IN A MAGNETIZED SHARED USE PATHS ALONG THE EAST SIDE OF THE ROADWAY, AND THEN THAT WOULD ALSO HELP REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF VEHICLE TURNING MOVEMENTS THAT COULD CONFLICT WITH PEDESTRIANS AND BICYCLES USING THAT FUTURE PARKWAY. AND SO THAT'S GOING TO BE THE REASONING FOR THAT MOVE. IN TERMS OF THE CURRENT VILLAGE CENTER LOCATION, AS I MENTIONED, THERE ARE SOME SIGNIFICANT WETLANDS THERE, AND IF YOU CAN GO TO THE WETLAND MAP, I WILL SHOW ALL OF THE WETLANDS WEST.

JUST TOWARDS THE END. THAT'S IT.

SO YOU CAN SEE THE FINGER COMING FROM BRADLEY CREEK IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SITE AND THOSE WETLANDS IN THAT LOCATION

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THOSE ARE ALL HIGHER QUALITY WETLANDS THAT HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED ON A SITE WHERE AS THE WETLANDS ON HENLEY ROAD HAVE BEEN IMPACTED BY OPERATIONS OVER THE YEAR AND THEY ARE CONSIDERED A MUCH LOWER QUALITY AND WOULD BE EASIER TO GET APPROVAL TO IMPACT FROM THE WATER MANAGEMENT. THAT'S BASED ON FIELD VERIFICATION. LET ME GO BACK TO PROPOSED LAND USE. ANOTHER REASON FOR MOVING THE VILLAGE CENTER OVER TO HENLEY IS THAT OBVIOUSLY THERE WILL BE A LOT OF TRAFFIC ON HENLEY ROAD.

YOU HAVE RETAIL PROJECTS THERE AND THEY ARE GOING TO WANT TO HAVE A HIGHER VOLUME OF TRAFFIC, HAVE HIGH VISIBILITY AND HAVE EASIER ACCESS TO GET IN AND OUT OF THE SHOPPING

AREAS. >> MR.PUCKHABER: NO COMMENTS FROM THE AUDIENCE, PLEASE. YOU WILL GET YOUR CHANCE.

GO AHEAD. >> SPEAKER: SO I THINK THE OTHER ISSUE ÃIT INCREASES THE TRADE AREA THE EFFECTIVE TRADE AREA FOR TRAFFIC OR FOR FUTURE CUSTOMERS.

THE TOTAL SITE AREA OF THIS PROJECT IS ABOUT 972 ACRES JUST ABOUT 750 ACRES OR UP ONES. SO THE TYPICAL DENSITY BUILDOUT WOULD BE CLOSE TO 2000 UNITS AT MOST.

IT COULD BE LESS BECAUSE OF THE DENSITY.

THAT WOULD BE A POPULATION OF AROUND 5000 PEOPLE.

TYPICALLY WE DO A LOT OF WORK FOR GROCERIES SUCH AS PUBLIX.

THEIR GENERAL RULE OF PHONE TO HAVE A VIABLE RETAIL MARKET FOR THEM TO LOOK AT FUTURE SITES IS TO HAVE POPULATION OF 10,000 OR ABOUT 5000 HOMES. EVEN IF THE SURROUNDING AREA FILLS IN, I THINK YOU ARE GOING TO SEE MORE PRESSURE FOR COMMERCIAL AROUND THE INTERCHANGE.

I AGREE IT WILL BE ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ROAD.

SO AT THIS POINT I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE ALAN SKINNER COME UP AND TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT SOME CONVERSATIONS HE'S HAD

WITH SOME PROSPECTIVE BUYERS. >> MR.PUCKHABER: BEFORE YOU DO THAT, I WANT TO ASK AND CAROLYN YOU CAN ANSWER THIS.

THERE IS AN INTERCHANGE ON HENLEY, RIGHT?

>> YES. AND THERE'S PLANNED TO BE AN UNDERPASS FOR THE DOTTED LINE ROAD IS GOING TO BE CURRENTLY.

IS THAT NEXT DOTTED LINE ROAD DOWN ALSO JUST AN UNDERPASS?

>> YES. THOSE ARE NOT INTERCHANGES.

>> AND THERE'S NEW INTERCHANGE AT SANDRIDGE?

>> NO. >> THE NEXT ONE IS 16 IT WOULD BE AN EXTENSION OF COUNTY ROAD 218 WOULD BE AN EXCELLENT.

>> OKAY. >> ORIGINALLY WE HAD NORTH-SOUTH 2 ALSO COMES UP FROM THE SOUTH NEXT TO ROLLING HILLS SUBDIVISION ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE FREEWAY.

WHEN WE DID THE COMP PLAN WE STOPPED AT SANDRIDGE ROAD BECAUSE THE DOT HAD DECLINED TO MAKE IT A CROSSING OF PIER.

THERE USED TO BE A CROSSING THAT WOULD BE IN THIS LOCATION, AND THEY WEREN'T GOING TO PUT IN THAT OVERPASS SO WE DECIDED NOT TO EXTEND NORTH-SOUTH 2, WHICH IS A LONG MISALIGNMENT.

ANY FURTHER THAN SANDRIDGE ROAD.

>> SO THE PART OF THIS EAST OF THE EXPRESSWAY, HOW WOULD YOU ACCESS THAT FOR DEVELOPMENT? WOULD IT HAVE TO BE THROUGH THIS DOTTED LINE ROAD? BECAUSE UNTIL SOMEONE DEVELOPS THE PARCEL FURTHER EAST, THAT ROAD WILL BE THERE.

>> THAT'S CORRECT. >> THAT'S THE ONE REASON FOR SWAPPING THE LAND USE. THE PARCEL IS DEPENDENT ON ANOTHER PROJECT EITHER BUILDING THE ROAD MORE COUNTY FUNDING AND BUILDING A ROAD TO GET TO IT.

>> SO WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE DOTTED LINE ROAD BUILT? IS IT THE COUNTY OR THE DEVELOPER?

>> THE DEVELOPERS HAVE TO GIVE US 1.35 PERCENT OF THE VALUE OF THE RAW LAND SO THAT 972 ACRES HOWEVER THAT CALCULATES, WE GET THAT VALUE, AND THEN THE COUNTY HAS TO ACQUIRE THE REST OF THAT

RIGHT AWAY AND BUILD THE ROAD. >> WHEN THE DOT BUILDS THE

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>> THAT'S OUR UNDERSTANDING. JUST TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT, AN ISSUE OF NORTH-SOUTH 3 I UNDERSTAND STAFF POSITION.

WE HAVEN'T PROVIDED A LOT OF BACKGROUND INFORMATION ON WHY WE BELIEVE THAT IS OF VERY LITTLE BENEFIT, AND SO WE UNDERSTAND THAT. FOR FULL DISCLOSURE, OUR FIRM HAS BEEN RETAINED BY SOME LAND OWNERS IN LAKE ASBURY TO DO TRAFFIC STUDIES OF THE LAKE ASBURY ROADWAY NETWORK AND THE FUTURE ÃLINE ROADS. AND WE HAVE GOTTEN QUITE A LONG WAYS THROUGH THAT WHICH WE HAVE BEEN WRAPPED UP BY THIS POINT BUT WE ARE NOT, SO THAT'S PROBABLY A DISCUSSION WE WILL BE HAVING OVER THE NEXT FEW MONTHS.

, HOW TO BUILD AND FUND THOSE ROADS.

AND WHICH ONES ARE REALLY PROVIDING A BENEFIT TO THOSE

THAT DON'T. >> OKAY.

I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THE ROADS BEFORE YOU MOVED ON.

GO AHEAD. >> IF YOU CAN GET US TO THE VILLAGE CENTER CONCEPT OFFICE. SO THE VILLAGE CENTER IS ABOUT 56 ACRES IN TOTAL AND AS YOU KNOW THERE IS A MIX OF LAND USES THAT ARE REQUIRED IN THE VILLAGE CENTER INCLUDING ANY COMBINATION OF OFFICE OR RETAIL AND TELCOS AND SMALL LOT TYPE OF SUBDIVISIONS. THIS IS A CONCEPT THAT WE HAVE SHOWN ON THE BOTTOM YOU CAN SEE THE COLLECTOR ROAD COMING IN ACROSS HENLEY ROAD IS LAKE ASBURY BAPTIST CHURCH.

IT LINES UP WITH ONE OF THEIR DRIVEWAYS AND THIS CONCEPT SHOWS OFFICES FRONTING HENLEY ROAD, INTERNAL PARKING WITH BUFFERING TO THE NORTH VILLAGE PARK AND THE TOWNHOMES TO THE EAST. SO IF I MAY, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE ALAN SKINNER COME UP AND SHARE WITH YOU SOME CONVERSATIONS HE HAS HAD WITH PROSPECTIVE BUYERS WITH THE FEASIBILITY OF THE VILLAGE CENTER AND WHERE IT'S LOCATED.

THANK YOU. WITH THE FEASIBILITY OF THE VILLAGE CENTER AND WHERE IT'S LOCATED.

THANK YOU. STATEMENT THAT HE BE.

I AM ALAN SKINNER, 4469 JACKSONVILLE, FLORIDA.

I AM THE MAIN TOPIC I WANT TO TALK ABOUT IS THE LOCATION.

I AM A GREAT FAN OF EMBEDDED VILLAGE CENTERS AND NEIGHBORHOODS. WE DON'T LIVE TOO FAR AWAY FROM THE SHOPPING CENTER AND PLACES LIKE THAT WHERE IT'S WALKABLE COMMUNITY. IT'S VERY NICE AND COZY AND ALL OF THAT. THERE HAS TO BE - THOSE CAN BE SUCCESSFUL, BUT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT HOW SUCCESSFUL THE LOCATION -YOU MIGHT WANT TO SHOW THE CURRENT LOCATION HOW VIABLE THAT'S GOING TO BE FROM A BUSINESS POINT OF VIEW FOR FUTURE DEVELOPER. THE CONCERN I'VE GOT IS FOR RETAIL TO BE SUCCESSFUL, RETAIL-MY BACKGROUND IS ALL OVER THE MAP, BUT I HAVE A PRETTY STRONG REAL ESTATE BACKGROUND IN COMMERCIAL AND I WORK FOR A LAND PLANNING FIRM FOR ABOUT 10 YEARS. HAVE A PRETTY STRONG REAL ESTATE-AND I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT CAN TEACH ME A LOT OF THINGS.

ONE OF THE THING-REAIL IS DELICATE WHEN IT COMES TO THE FINANCIAL LIABILITY AND IT REALLY RELIES-FOR RETAIL TO BE SUCCESSFL IT HAS TO HAVE GRET VISIBILITY, A GOOD AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC BENEFITS GOT THE NEIGHBORHOOD AROUND IT THAT'S EVEN BETTER. THE FACT THAT THE CURRENT LOCATION IS EMBEDDED IN THE MIDDLE OF A RELATIVELY LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT IT MEANS IT'S RELATIVELY LOW DENSITY SO THERE'S A CONCERN THERE.

THE VISIBILITY ÃIT'S NOT LIKE HENLEY IS FALLINGAND THIS IS A 2 LANE RD. THERE IS A CONCERN ABOUT ADEQUATE VISIBILITY FOR SOME KIND OF RETAIL USER.

AND WHO KNOWS WHAT THE TRAFFIC WILL BE ON THESE ROADS.

I KNOW THERE'S GOING TO BE BLEED OFF AND WHEN THE EAST-WEST 1 ROAD GETS BUILT IT WILL BE NICE TO HAVE THAT BUT IT MAY NOT BE QUITE AS MUCH TRAFFIC AS SOMEBODY LIKE YOU SEE ON HENLEY. THAT'S THE REAL CONCERN AND WHAT I DON'T WANT CLAYTON COUNTY TO GET IN THE SITUATION IS WE GET THIS VILLAGE CENTER AND IT'S GOT 25 PERCENT OCCUPANCY AND YOU HAVE SHUTTER DOORS AND THERE'S A CONCERN ABOUT VIABILITY. THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS.

AND IN TERMS OF- WE ARE LANDOWNERS BUT WE HAVE HAD PEOPLE APPROACHES ABOUT THIS PROPERTY AND SOME OF THE BEST -PEOPLE THAT USE MIXED-USE DEVELOPMENT TOLD US YOU HAVE TO MOVE IT UP TO HENLEY OR IT WON'T WORK.O THAT'S ANOTHER THEORY AND I LOVE NEIGHBORHOOD DEVELOPMENTS BUT THEY HAVE TO WORK AND I AM REAL CONCERNED -IF YOU'VE BEEN TO VALENCIA I KNOW THE HISTORY AND THE ST. AUGUSTINE.

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SO I DON'T WANT TO HAVE THE COUNTY HAVE AN UNSUCCESSFUL PROJECT. THAT'S THE MAIN ARGUMENT FOR RELOCATING TO THE FRONT. SO THAT'S ALL I WANTED TO SAY.

THANK YOU. SO THAT'S ALL I WANTED TO SAY.

THANK YOU. >> MR.PUCKHABER: OKAY.

THANK YOU. I HAVE SOME COMMENT CARDS AND IN NO PARTICULAR ORDER, WHICH I BELIEVE ARE ALL FOR THIS PROPERTY. ONA MUSTONAN? AND I'M PRETTY SURE I DID BUT WE WILL MAKE SURE THE PUBLIC

HEARING IS OPEN. >> SPEAKER: 2723 CROSS CREEK DOCTOR AND GREEN COVE WHICH IS ACTUALLY LAKE ASBURY.

AND IT'S THE SILVER CREEK DIVISION.

I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT THE PRESENTATION SO FAR HAS TAKEN CARE OF MOST OF MY QUESTIONS, BUT I THINK THE BIGGEST ISSUE REMAINS THE TRAFFIC. RIGHT NOW, EVEN AS IT STANDS, SAND RIDGE IS ALMOST DIFFICULT TO GET OUT OF SILVER CREEK WITH THE TRAFFIC COMING AND GOING IN BOTH DIRECTIONS.

AND THE ROADS ARE DETERIORATING BECAUSE OF ALL OF THE CONSTRUCTION TRUCKS. IT'S A MESS.

FOR THE TRAFFIC. I WOULD NOT LIKE TO SEE THE CALM TO CLOSE, WHAT, IS IT NORTH-SOUTH 3? YEAH. IN FRONT OF SILVER CREEK BECAUSE IT WOULD BE A BIT OF A NIGHTMARE.

WE HAVE A SCHOOL A BIT FURTHER DOWN THE ROAD, AND THERE'S A LOT OF SCHOOL TRAFFIC COMING AND GOING AS WELL.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ANSWER IS, OTHER THAN THE ROADS REALLY NEED TO HAVE A HUGE IMPROVEMENT.

SAND RIDGE IS SO NARROW AT THE MOMENT THAT YOU CAN JUST ABOUT FALL OFF INTO THE CREEK THERE, THE CULVERT AREA.

THAT'S OUR MAJOR CONCERN IS THE TRAFFIC, AND TO IMPROVE THE ROADS. THEY HAVE TO BE WIDENED.

IT'S JUST NOT FEASIBLE. BUT I APPRECIATE VERY MUCH THE PRESENTATION FOR THE CLARIFICATION BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T SEEN THAT SO FAR. SO THANK YOU.

>> MR.PUCKHABER: THANK YOU, MA'AM.

NEXT I HAVE CHRISTINE ROBERTSON.

THERE SHE IS. >> SPEAKER: I AM HERE.

CHRISTINE ROBERTSON, 2745 RUSSELL RD.

I AM WITH HER. THE ROADS.

I LIVE ON RUSSELL ROAD. ABOUT THREE WEEKS AGO WHEN I GOT HOME FROM OPEN-HEART SURGERY SOMEBODY FLEW INTO MY YARD. THERE'S NO ROOM.

YOU HAVE TO DO SOMETHING WITH RUSSELL ROAD.

THESE ROADS AROUND HERE.HEY DROVE RIGHT INTO THE WOODS.

AND IF YOU GO DOWN RUSSELL ROAD, YOU ARE GOING TO SEE THE GUARDRAILS ARE ALL MESSED UP AND YOU CAN GO THERE BY MY PROPERTY AND SEE THEY WENT RIGHT INTO THE TREES AND THEN LIKE SHE SAYS, SANDRIDGE, HENLEY, IT'S A HORRIBLE LITTLE AREA. YOU HAVE ALL THESE DEVELOPMENTS COMING IN, BUT WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO? WE HAVE TO BE SAFE TOO. I GO TO GET IN MY DRIVEWAY.

PEOPLE SLAM THE BRAKES ON AND CUSSED ME OUT.

I MEAN, THERE'S NO BARRIER WHERE THEY CAN GET OFF TO THE SIDE OR ANYTHING.HEY WILL EITHER RUN INTO OR THERE'S GOING TO BE MORE ACCIDENTS. IF YOU CHECK INTO IT WE'VE HAD LOTS OF ACCIDENTS AND A FEW PEOPLE KILLED.

SO WHAT ARE THEY GOING TO DO WITH THE ROAD? I CAN'T TELL ANYBODY WHAT TO DO WITH THEIR PROPERTY, ALL THIS DEVELOPMENT. THAT'S THEIR PROPERTY.

I GUESS WE ARE GOING TO HAVE WHAT WE ARE GOING TO HAVE THIS MASTER PLAN. BUT PROTECT THE CITIZENS.

IT'S BEEN OUT HERE FOR YEARS BY GETTING THE ROADS FIXED.S THERE ANYTHING ON THE ROADS? GETTING IT DONE?NYTHING ON RUSSELL? ANYTHING ON HENLEY? ANYTHING ON SANDRIDGE? YOU'VE COLLECTED ALL OF THIS MONEY FOR THE DEVELOPMENT HAVE YOU COLLECTED MONEY FOR THESE ROADS TO GET EXPANDED AND FIXED? IS IT EVEN IN THE 10 YEAR PLAN? WE KNOW THE TRAFFIC IS COMING.

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MR. SKINNER JUST SAID IT. >> MR.PUCKHABER: THIS IS REALLY PUBLIC COMMENT. IF I CAN ANSWER A QUESTION, I WILL, BUT ROADS ARE NOT OUR DEPARTMENT.

SO WE REALLY DON'T KNOW. >> CAN WE STOP APPROVING THINGS UNTIL THE ROADS ARE FIXED? DOES THAT HELP? OKAY. I THINK YOU KNOW WHERE I'M COMING FROM. BUT PLEASE DO SOMETHING WITH THE ROADS. DO NOT APPROVE.

NOTHING ELSE UNTIL YOU MAKE SURE THE CITIZENS OF CLAY COUNTY, LONG TERM CITIZENS OF CLAY COUNTY, ARE PROTECTED DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT PEOPLE RUNNING INTO US, CUSSING US OUT AND RUNNING INTO OUR PROPERTY.

THANK YOU. >> MR.PUCKHABER: THANK YOU,

MA'AM. >> MR.PUCKHABER: THE NEXT CARD

I HAVE IS LORI HOLLAND. >> SPEAKER: MY NAME IS LORI HOLLAND. I LIVE AT 2867 CYCLING STREET.

CAN I GE THAT WEBSITE YOU SAID CLAY COUNTY.GOV? WWW.CLAYTON COUNTY GOC.COM. IT'S VERY WEIRD.

IT HAS GOVE AND COM. >> SPEAKER: BESIDES ON SANDRIDGE FOR THE 1022 MEETING, THEY SAY 5:00 AND YOU WILL JUST SAY 4:00 EARLIER. WHAT IS IT?

>> MR.PUCKHABER: IS IT A TIME CERTAIN? IT WILL BE 5:00. THEIR MEETING STARTS AT FOUR BUT THAT'S A TIME CERTAIN ON THEIR AGENDA.

SO THEY WON'T TAKE IT UP UNTIL 5:00.

>> SPEAKER: OKAY. WELL THE MAIN REASON I AM HERE, BESIDES THE CITIZENS THAT HAVE COME UP HERE TO TALK, I FEEL LIKE I HAVE BEEN IN A CHINESE CLASS.

I DON'T UNDERSTAND ANYTHING THAT WAS SAID OR ANYTHING THAT'S GOING ON. IT WOULD HAVE HELPED TO HAVE HANDOUTS BECAUSE I CAN'T MAKE HEADS OR TAILS OF WHAT THAT IS EVEN FROM JUST STANDING HERE. AND THERE IS A LOT OF TALK ABOUT THE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON, AND ONE OF THEM IS THE ROADS. WHAT HAPPENS IF ON SANDRIDGE OR 209 THERE'S AN EMERGENCY DURING RUSH HOUR? YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE PEOPLE RUNNING OFF THE ROAD SO THAT AMBULANCE OR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT OR POLICE OR WHATEVER NEED TO GET TO WHERE THEY ARE GOING.

I MEAN, THE WHOLE RESIDENCE OUT THERE ARE NOT BEING TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION. THE DEVELOPERS ARE THE ONES THAT SEEM TO GET THE MOST ATTENTION, AND WE NEED SOMEBODY TO STAND UP FOR US, AND I DON'T THINK ANYBODY HAS, AND BE ONE LAST THING I WANT TO SAY - OR COMMENT ON OUR A LOT OF DIFFERENT RUMORS GOING AROUND AND ONE OF THEM IS THE HUD HOUSING APARTMENT COMPLEXES ARE GOING TO BE BUILT.

AND IF I GO TO THIS WEBSITE WILL I BE ABLE TO GET MY QUESTIONS ANSWERED THEIR SAYS THEY CAN'T BE ANSWERED HERE?

>> MR.PUCKHABER: DO YOU KNOW WHERE THAT WAS PLEADING TO BE

BUILT? >> I BELIEVE SOMEWHERE AROUND RUSSELL ROAD IS WHAT I'VE BEEN TOLD.

>> MR.PUCKHABER: I WOULD CONTACT THE PLANNING STAFF.

IF YOU CALL THE PLANNING AND ZONING DEPARTMENT.

IF IT HAS COME IN, IF THERE'S ANYTHING THERE IN THE BILLING DEPARTMENT THEY WILL KNOW ABOUT IT.

>> SPEAKER: IT'S BEEN TRAUMATIC ALL WE ARE SAYING IS EVERYTHING GETTING KNOCKED DOWN, AND HE WAS TALKING ABOUT THERE MIGHT BE SOME ODD PARCELS BECAUSE THE WAY IT'S LAID OUT RIGHT NOW.

I AM MORE CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT QUALITY-OF-LIFE IS GOING TO BE OUT THERE. IT'S A CONCERN.

WE MOVED HERE 20 YEARS AGO BECAUSE IT WAS COUNTRY, AND NOW I FELIKE MY RUG HAS BEEN RIPPED OUT FROM UNDERNEATH ME.

AND IS THIS WHERE I CAN CONTACT SOMEBODY AND MAYBE COME IN AND

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SOMEBODY SAID OUR KIDS ARE NOT GOING TO HAVE ANYWHERE TO LIVE.

OR RAISE THEIR FAMILIES WHEN THEY GROW ABOUT THEIR.

THESE SCHOOLS ARE GOING TO BE OVERRUN.

WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN TO THAT? >> AM GOING TO HAVE TO ASK YOU TO WRAP IT UP IF YOU COULD. THANK YOU.

>> MR.PUCKHABER: I HAVE ONE MORE CARD FOR THIS ONE.

ALLEN SKINNER. THAT WAS YOU.

OKAY. I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER CARDS FOR THIS ITEM BUT IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE WHO WANTS TO SPEAK? COME ON UP.

>> SPEAKER: THANK YOU. I AM DELIGHTED TO SEE AS MANY PEOPLE HERE TONIGHT. AS HAS BEEN HERE FOR A LONG TIME BECAUSE THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE IS A RAW NERVE.

I HAD A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. ONE OF THEM WAS THE DOTTED LINES AND NEW ANSWERED PART OF IT.

THAT ESSENTIALLY WE THE TAXPAYERS ARE GOING TO BE TAXED TO BUILD THESE ROADS. WE SHOULD NOT HAVE TO PUT ONE RED CENT INTO THAT. BUT WHAT YOU DIDN'T TELL ME IS OUR THESE GOING TO BE TWO LANE ROADS? OR ARE THEY GOING TO BE FOUR LANE ROADS?

>> I DO NOT KNOW BUT I BELIEVE THEY ARE TOO LATE.

>> THEREIN LIES THE CRUX OF THE PROBLEM IS THIS WHOLE AREA SANDRIDGE AND RUSSELL ARE TWO LANE ROADS.

AND THE APPLICANT - I KNOW THAT THE BCC APPROVED 2500 HOMES IN THAT AREA, AND HE JUST MENTIONED 5000 HOMES AND IT WILL BE BETTER TO DUMP THE TRAFFIC ONTO HENLEY ROAD.

WELL HENLEY ROAD HAS RECENTLY BECOME A FOUR-LANE ROAD AND HE WILL ALSO REMEMBER RECENTLY THAT ROAD FAILED AND IT WAS SHUT DOWN FOR ALMOST A YEAR WHEN THEY HAD TO GET REPAIRS BECAUSE EVERYBODY WAS POINTING FINGERS AT ONE ANOTHER IT'S WHO'S GOING TO FIX IT. IN THE END, EVERYBODY HAD A PROBLEM. THEY COULD NOT GET AROUND.

BUT THIS WHOLE THING SHOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN IT.

THIS IS WHY I SAID AT THE BEGINNING WHEN I FIRST TALK.

YOU HAVE TO ASK MORE QUESTIONS. WHAT IS GOING TO BE THE EFFECT? WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN? WHAT DO YOU FORESEE HAPPENING? ANYBODY CAN SEE IN THAT AREA ON TWO LANE ROADS DUMPING 2500 AND MAYBE 5000 HOMES ON TO THAT, YOU ARE TALKING UP TO 10,000 MORE VEHICLES. OKAY? NOBODY IS ASKING THESE QUESTIONS.

NOBODY IS LOOKING OUT FOR THE TAXPAYER.

WE ARE NOT BEING REPRESENTED BY THE BCC.

AT ALL. BECAUSE EVEN IF THIS BOARD IN ITS INFINITE WISDOM DECIDED THIS IS A REALLY STUPID IDEA, WHY DID WE APPROVE THIS? THE BCC WOULD APPROVE IT ANYWAY. THEY WOULD OVERRIDE WHAT YOU VETOED. WE ARE NOT BEING LOOKED AFTER.

OKAY. AND PUTTING STUFF ON 220, AGAIN, RIDICULOUS. YOU KNOW, SANDRIDGE IS GOING TO BE A DISASTER. YOU HEARD FROM SOME PEOPLE WHO LIVE THERE WHO ARE ALREADY IMPACTED.

IT'S GOING TO GET WORSE. THOSE LITTLE DOTTED ROADS ARE GOING TO BE A CURSE. AND NOBODY IS THINKING ABOUT THE FUTURE. SO I WOULD LIKE TO REINFORCE THAT. AND I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO MAKE A PLEA NOT ONLY TO MY FELLOW CITIZENS HERE BUT TO BE FIVE OR SIX PEOPLE WATCHING IN T.V. LAND IS LET'S START TO ORGANIZE. WE ARE NOT BEING REPRESENTED.

LET'S GET AN ACTUAL INDEPENDENT PARTY GOING SO THAT WE CAN START HAVING A VOICE IN THESE MATTERS.

THANK YOU. >> MR.PUCKHABER: THANK YOU.

YES, SIR. COME ON UP.

>> SPEAKER: GOOD EVENING. I AM CHARLES BILLINGTON RUSSELL ROAD. GREEN COVE SPRINGS, FLORIDA.

THERE IS ONE SPOT OVER THERE AND YOU WILL SEE IT JOINTS UP TO RUSSELL ROAD. I SPOKE WITH MR. SKINNER THE

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AND NOT GIVE ME A BUNCH OF HOUSES ACROSS THE STREET.

I KNOW THAT THEY ARE IN THE BUSINESS TO DEVELOP.

THEY DID NOT BOTHER ATLANTA TO SIT ON IT THE REST OF YOUR LIFE. AND I DON'T BLAME THEM FOR DEVELOPING. BUT KIND OF LOOK OUT FOR ME A LITTLE BIT. THANK YOU ALL.

>> MR.PUCKHABER: THANK YOU, SIR.

DO YOU WANT TO SPEAK? COME ON UP, PLEASE.

>> SPEAKER: GOOD EVENING. I AM MATTHEW WALLER AT 2967 RUSSELL OAKS DOCTOR I APOLOGIZE FOR THE SCREAMING BABY WHEN HE WAS FUSSING EARLIER. A COUPLE THINGS I WANTED TO ADDRESS. ONE OF THE BIG THINGS BEING PUBLIC SAFETY AND AS WAS MENTIONED BEFORE THE ROADS ARE VERY NARROW. SO SANDRIDGE ROAD, RUSSELL RHODES, AS WE GET INTO DEVELOPING THESE AREAS THE MORE THAT WE DEVELOP THE MORE WE ARE DISPLACING OUR WILDLIFE, THE MORE WE ARE MESSING WITH OUR WETLANDS.

I DIDN'T CATCH THE NAME OF THE CREEK THAT RUNS THROUGH THERE, BUT ANY DEVELOPMENT OR NEW ROADS WE PUT INTO THAT AREA IS GOING TO RUN INTO BLACK CREEKS WERE ALL THE WATER GOES.

AND THE OTHER THING IS OVER THE PAST COUPLE OF WEEKS I'VE NOTICED I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY DEER ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD.

SO PEOPLE ARE HITTING THE STEER AND RUNNING OFF THE ROADS.

AND I DON'T THINK WE ARE LOOKING AT THE TRICKLE-DOWN EFFECTS OF TRAFFIC. SO I WORK OUT AT CAMP BLANDING AND COMING INTO 218 TO GET HOME, IF TRAFFIC IS HEAVY COMING IN FROM ST. AUGUSTINE, WHICH IF WE DEVELOP ANY OF THIS AREA, THE TRAFFIC WILL INCREASE, I HAVE SAT AT THE RED LIGHT AT PENNY FORMS 4 AT LEAST 15 MINUTES TRYING TO GET SOMEONE TO LET ME TURN NORTH ON TWO TO 18.

IT'S THE SAME THING COMING SOUTH FROM 220 TRYING TO GET ONTO HENLEY ROAD. YOU CAN SIT THERE FOR HOURS IF THERE'S AN ACCIDENT BECAUSE THE WHOLE PUBLIC SAFETY THING, PEOPLE DON'T BOTHER VEHICLES OFF THE ROAD OR YOU CAN PULL THE VEHICLE OFF THE ROAD BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO PULL OFF DIRECTLY INTO A DITCH. SO PUBLIC SAFETY AND TRANSPORTATION PIECE IS SOMETHING WE NEED TO TAKE A LOOK AT. IT'S SOMETHING WE REALLY NEED TO KEEP IN MIND FOR THE SAFETY OF OUR CITIZENS.

THE NEXT THING IS THE SCHOOLS ON LAKE ASBURY.

DUMPING THAT MANY PERSONNEL AND THAT MANY HOMES IN THIS AREA, SCHOOLS ARE OVERCROWDED AS IT IS.

THESE KIDS ARE CROSSING THE ROAD WHERE MY SUBDIVISION COMES OUT. I CAN'T DRIVE DOWN THE ROAD WITH A CELL PHONE IN MY HAND BUT THEY CAN DRIVE DOWN WITH A CELL PHONE ON A BIKE AND NOT PAY ATTENTION TO ANY TRAFFIC.

IT WOULD BE THE WORST THING IN MY MIND TO ACCIDENTALLY RUN OVER A KID BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT PAYING ATTENTION AND THEY COME OUT OF NOWHERE AND THERE'S NOTHING I CAN DO.

SO THE ROADS IT'S A BIG PART OF IT AND PUBLIC SAFETY AND OVERCROWDING THE SCHOOLS. THANKS FOR YOUR TIME.

>> ALL: THANK YOU, SIR. ANYONE ELSE? ARE RIGHT. I AM GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR ABOUT THIS. ONCE I DO THIS, WE ARE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THIS WHETHER YOU ARE HAPPY ABOUT IT OR NOT.

DO YOU WANT TO SPEAK? ARE RIGHT.

OPENING IT BACK UP. >> THAT THEN YOU SHOW IS WHERE IT NEEDS TO BE A US SITTING BACK HERE IS LIKE SOMEBODY SAID

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>> WHAT'S AVAILABLE NOWADAYS. >> THE ENTIRE AGENDA IS ON

CLARKE COUNTY.COM. >> EVERYTHING WE HAVE HERE IS ON THE COUNTY WEBSITE. IF YOU GO TO THE WEBSITE AND I THINK RIGHT ON THE HOMEPAGE IF YOU GO TO GOVERNMENT AND THEN GO TO AGENDAS THE LAND-USE STUFF IS ON THEIR AND RECOGNIZING THAT IT'S VERY CONFUSING.

IT TAKES A WHILE TO REALLY LEARN THIS INFORMATION IS THERE NO ONE IS TRYING TO HIDE IT FROM YOU THESE ARE ALL PUBLIC RECORDS. IF YOU CANNOT FIND, CALL DOWN HERE. SOMEBODY WILL HELP YOU FIND IT ON THE WEBSITE. AND SOMEONE WILL HELP THEM FIND

IT. >> WE WILL BE GLAD TO HELP.

IF THEY DON'T HAVE A COMPUTER OR THEY HAVE TROUBLE WE WILL BE

GLAD TO MAIL IT TO THEM.>> HE IS THE DIRECTOR OF PLANNING SO

THEY ALL WORK FOR HIM. >> ANYONE ELSE? THIS TIME FOR SURE. CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING.

MR. SWOFFORD DO YOU WANT TO RESPOND TO ANY OF THAT BEFORE WE START HAMMERING YOU WITH QUESTIONS?

>> JUST A QUICK COUPLE OF POINTS AGAIN.

I UNDERSTAND GROWING PAINS. THIS IS GOING TO BE THE FASTEST GROWING AREA OF CLAY COUNTY AS I MENTIONED BEFORE.

AND THERE IS A BIG DIFFERENCE WHEN YOU GO OUT THERE TODAY AND YOU SEE THE FIRST COAST EXPRESSWAY HAS BEEN CLEARED AND IS COMING. BUT THE MAIN THING I WANT TO SAY IS WHETER OR NOT THIS HAS BEEN APPROVED IN WHOLE OR IN PART TODAY, THE SAME AMOUNT OF DEVELOPMENT IS ALLOWED TODAY.

WE ARE NOT INCREASING THE RIGHTS, WE ARE JUST MOVING AROUND. IN TERMS OF A NORTH-SOUTH 3 ROADWAY, GETTING RID OF THAT, WE WOULD PREFER TO HAVE THE PROJECT THE TRANSMITTAL SENT TO THE STATE AND GIVE US TIME TO COME BACK AARON BURKE WITH STAFF WHETHER OR NOT THAT IS A VIABLE ALTERNATIVE TO ELIMINATE.

ALSO, THE VILLAGE CENTER, MOVING BACK HE WOULD LIKE TO KEEP THAT IN THERE. OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT THAT. AGAIN, THERE IS NO CHANGE IN THE DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS HERE. TODAY.L ALLOWED BY RIGHT WE WERE TRYING TO MAKE IT A MORE FEASIBLE PLAN FOR LANDOWNERS. WHO AGAIN ARE NOT DEVELOPERS OR

BUILDERS. >> MR.PUCKHABER: THANK YOU.E WILL PROBABLY HAVE QUESTIONS FOR YOU.

DOES ANYBODY HAVE QUESTIONS FOR MR. SWOFFORD? WHILE HE'S HERE? I MEAN, I HAVE SOME COMMENTS THAT YOU MAY OR MAY NOT WANT TO RESPOND TO.

>> I WOULD JUST LIKE CLARIFICATION AS TO WHERE THE VILLAGE CENTER IS NOW AND WHERE THEY PROPOSE TO PUT IT, IF YOU

COULD CIRCLE WHERE IT IS NOW. >> IN MAGENTA.

IT'S SO-CALLED VC. >> AND WHERE EXACTLY DO YOU WANT TO MOVE IT? I WANTED EVERYBODY TO UNDERSTAND IN THE AUDIENCE THAT THAT'S WHERE IT WAS GOING TO GO. OKAY.

THANK YOU. >> MR.PUCKHABER: ANYBODY HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? I HAVE SEVERAL.

YOU GUYS LET ME START TALKING YOU KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN. OKAY.

OVER THE YEARS THAT I HAVE DONE THIS, THE ONE THING, AND I UNDERSTAND EVERYBODY'S CONCERNED ABOUT WE NEED TO IMPROVE OUR ROADS AND WE DO. I KNOW THAT AS MUCH AS ANYBODY.

THE PROBLEM IS EVERY TIME THE COUNTY COMES UP WITH A WAY TO COME UP WITH ROAD FUNDING NOBODY WANTS TO PAY FOR IT.

SO WE KIND O GET -IT'S LIKE THAT.

ALSO, TRAFFIC, PER SE, IS IT REALLY ALLOWED TO BE USED IN MAKING THESE DECISIONS. WE DO, BUT THERE'S A VERY STRONG WHIRLS AROUND THAT. BUT WE HAVE TO LOOK AT.

ONE THING I WOULD SAY FOR CERTAIN TO YOU AND TO MY FELLOW BOARD MEMBERS APPEAR IS ANYTIME WE CAN ADD A ROAD IN THIS COUNTY WE NEED TO ADD IT. WE NEED TO GET TRAFFIC OFF THE ROADS EVEN IF IT IS LESS TRAFFIC.

SO I WOULD BE STRONGLY OPPOSED TO REMOVING THAT NORTH-SOUTH ROAD FOR ANY REASON. THE NEXT THING IS I UNDERSTAND

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I THINK IT'S FABULOUS NEIGHBORHOOD.

I WISH WE COULD DUPLICATE THAT EVERYWHERE.

BUT THEY DID THAT AND ESPECIALLY WHEN I WAS YOUNGER, WE DID NOT HAVE WALMART. WE DID NOT HAVE HOME DEPOT.

WE HAD A NEIGHBORHOOD HARDWARE STORE, WE HAD A NEIGHBORHOOD GROCERY STORE. WE HAD A NEIGHBORHOOD DRUGSTORE AND NOT WORKED FOR A VERY LONG TIME, AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY IT WON'T WORK HERE. I'M NOT SURE I AGREE WITH YOUR LOGIC ABOUT NEEDING TO BE ON HENLEY ROAD.

IF YOU JUST PUT A LOT MORE CARS PON HENLEY ROAD AND YOU MAKE IT ATTRACTIVE TO THE BIG-BOX RETAILERS.

WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO IN LAKE ASBURY IS CREATE MORE OF A COMMUNITY FEEL. AND YOU DO THAT WITH THE VILLAGE CENTERS WHICH IS SCALING THINGS DOWN NOT SCALING THEM UP. I WOULD SAY IF IT WAS ME AND I KNOW THIS PROBABLY DOESN'T WORK FOR YOUR DEVELOPMENT, I DON'T OBJECT TO MOVING THE VILLAGE CENTER BUT I WOULD MOVE ITSELF TO WHERE THAT INTERSECTION IS BETWEEN THE NORTH-SOUTH AND EAST-WEST ROAD. RIGHT THERE.

AND GET IT OUT OF THOSE WETLANDS AND IT WOULD PUT IT CLOSER TO SANDRIDGE. WHERE ALL THOSE NEW ROADS ARE GOING ON. TO ME THAT MAKES IT MORE VIABLE. HENLEY IS VERY UNATTRACTIVE AS A LOCATION. SOMEBODY FROM SILVER CREEK MENTIONED THEY DID NOT LIKE THAT ROAD COMING OUT RIGHT AFTER SUBDIVISION. I ASSUME THERE'S NO TRAFFIC LIKE THERE NOW. I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THAT.

SO IF YOU ACTUALLY BROUGHT THAT ROAD OU AT SILVER CREEK NOW YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SIGNAL AS THE INTERSECTION WHICH MAKES IT PRETTY EASY FOR EVERYBODY.

TO TURN LEFT AND RIGHT AND GET OUT AND GO THROUGH AND THAT KIND OF THING. WE HAVE TOO MANY ROWS LIKE THIS THAT ARE T INTERSECTIONS WHERE THEY JUST ENDED.

WE NEED MORE CROSS INTERSECTIONS WITH SIGNALS AT THEM TO CONTROL THE TRAFFIC FLOW.

AS FAR AS CHANGING AROUND THE MPC AND RURAL FRENCH AND SO ON, I DON'T THINK THAT'S AN ISSUE. AND JUST SO THAT THE AUDIENCE AND EVERYBODY THAT SPOKE ON THIS IS CLEAR, AS MR. SWOFFORD HAS SAID, WHAT WE ARE DOING IS ÃOR WHAT THEY ARE REQUESTING IS MAKING THIS MORE ATTRACTIVE TO THEM TO DEVELOP, BUT A BUILDER COULD GO IN THERE TODAY AND GO GET BUILDING PERMITS TO BUILD IN THIS AREA. SO WHAT HE IS TRYING TO DO IS MAKE IT MORE ATTRACTIVE FOR DEVELOPMENT, AND I THINK WHAT I AM DOING IS SAYING THE DEVELOPMENT I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE IT MORE ATTRACTIVE TO THE PEOPLE THAT WILL END UP LIVING THERE. SO WITH THAT, I WOULD SAY I WOULD PRETTY MUCH SUPPORT THE STAFF REPORT ON THIS WHICH WOULD BE KEEP THE NORTH-SOUTH CONNECTOR IN THEIR, JUST BECAUSE THE STAFF SAID DON'T MOVE THE VILLAGE CENTER, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT MOVED SOUTH OUT OF THOSE WETLANDS OUT THERE. AND I THINK IF YOU GET THE RIGHT RETAILERS IN THERE, PEOPLE ARE INTERESTED IN THAT.

I THINK THERE ARE PEOPLE ÃAND YOUNGER FOLKS TODAY BACK WHEN WE WERE ALL YOUNG, WE USED TO WALK TO THESE PLACES.

IT WAS GREAT TO BE ABLE TO WALK DOWN TO THE DRUGSTORE.

AND NOW NOBODY WALKS ANYMORE BUT WHAT IS EVERYBODY DOING NOW? THEY GET IN GOLF CARTS.

I'M NOT TAKING A GOLF CART ON HENLEY BUT I TAKE IT TO THAT VILLAGE CENTER IN THE CENTER SO I KNOW THAT'S NOT AS ATTRACTIVE TO BIG-BOX RETAIL BUT MAYBE THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO. IT'S A VILLAGE CENTER.

THAT JUST BECOMES ONE MORE GIANT SHOPPING CENTER ON HENLEY ROAD, WHICH I AM NOT IN FAVOR OF.

SO THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT A SCHOOL I WAS GOING TO ASK MR. FOSSA IF YOU WANTED TO MENTION. DID YOU CATCH THE QUESTION?

>> IF WE ARE LOOKING ÃRIGHT NOW WE ARE LOOKING AT LAKE ASBURY ELEMENTARY AND A PRETTY FULL AT THAT PARTICULAR SCHOOL.

WE ARE LOOKING AT 2000 UNITS IS 420 STUDENTS ALMOST HALF THE SCHOOL. SO WERE YOU TALKING ABOUT BRINGING THE RETAIL CENTER ALL THE WAY DOWN TO SANDRIDGE?

>> NO. YOU SEE WHERE THE RED DOTTED LINES ARE? WERE THEY INTERSECT RIGHT IN

THE CENTER OF THAT PROPERTY. >> OKAY.

>> I'M NOT GOING TO MAKE THAT AS A MOTION.

I'M JUST PUTTING THAT OUT THERE FOR DISCUSSION THAT STAFF AND THE PCC CAN LOOK AT BUT I AM AGAINST MOVING IT TO HENLEY.

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DIDN'T I? >> I AM VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE CHILDREN IN THE SCHOOLS AND THAT THE STUFF THAT KEEPS ME AWAKE AT NIGHT ESPECIALLY WITH WHAT GOES ON AT LAKE ASBURY.

WE ARE LOOKING AT BUILDING A SCHOOL PROBABLY OFF OF 315 SOMEWHERE AND SO ALL THIS DEVELOPMENT IS WHAT KEEPS ME AWAKE AT NIGHT, THAT'S FOR SURE.

AND MR. SWOFFORD KNOWS THAT, FOR SURE.

>> AND THEN THERE WAS ONE OTHER QUESTION I WANT TO DIRECT TO STAFF.SOMEBODY MENTIONED ABOUT WELLS THEY DEVELOPED, WELLS AND SEPTIC. ARE WE REQUIRING UTILITIES FOR

ALL THIS? >> WE DO.

IF YOU DIVIDE A PROPERTY MORE THAN THREE UNITS,

>> THEY HAVE TO BRING WATER AND SEWER IN.

>> WATER AND SEWER HAS TO BE BROUGHT IN.

AND CLAY UTILITIES HAS A WATER AND SEWER PLANT JUST NORTH OF THE PARK, VAN ZANDT PARK. SO WE HAVE GOT FACILITIES IN THE AREA. IT'S ALREADY PRIMED FOR A

DEVELOPMENT. >> THERE'S AN EASEMENT THAT

GOES RIGHT TO THE SITE TOO. >> THAT'S KIND OF EVERYTHING I'VE GOT. I DON'T LIKE THE VILLAGE CENTER ON HENLEY ROAD. I THINK IT'S BECOMING AN UGLY ROAD THAT USED TO BE A MUCH NICER ROAD AND I DON'T THINK WE REALLY WANT IT TO LOOK LIKE BLANDING BOULEVARD.

THE OTHER INTERNALLY MOVING THOSE DOTTED LINE ROADS AROUND, WHATEVER WORKS FOR YOU, BUT DON'T ELIMINATE ANY.

SO ESSENTIALLY, I WOULD SAY, I GUESS I'M SUPPORTING A STAFF REPORT WITH THE POTENTIAL OF PUSHING THE VILLAGE CENTER SOUTH. ANY OTHER COMMENTS?

>> MR. CHAIRMAN? THERE ARE DAYS WHEN I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW I HAVE BEEN IN CLAY COUNTY FOR 25 YEARS, BUT I DO REMEMBER WHEN THE TOLLROAD WAS BEING DISCUSSED AND I DO REMEMBER THE DIFFERENT ROUTES AND WHO OWNS WHAT AND WHERE.

AND WE HAVE IT GOING WHERE IT'S GOING NOW.

AND IT WAS INEVITABLE WE WOULD BE TALKING ABOUT THESE KINDS OF THINGS DOWN THE ROAD. CAN WE STOP DEVELOPMENT? PROBABLY NOT. BUT I AGREE WITH CHAIRMAN PUCKHABER THAT IF YOU TAKE A LOOK AT WHERE THE TOWN CENTER NOW IS, AND IF YOU CONTINUE TO HAVE THE NORTH-SOUTH FREEDOM GOING TO RUSSELL RHODES, YOU HAVE GOT THREE DIFFERENT ROADS GOING INTO THE VILLAGE CENTER. INSTEAD OF EVERYBODY GOING TO THE VILLAGE CENTER VIA HENLEY ROAD.

MAKES MORE SENSE. AND I AGREE IF THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO BUILD A ROAD UNLESS IT GOES TO NOWHERE, YOU BUILD IT. WE CAN'T TURN BACK THE CLOCK AND WE CAN'T UNDO THE TOLLROAD. WE KNEW WHAT WAS GOING TO DO TO LAKE ASBURY. A LOT OF PEOPLE WERE AGAINST IT AT THE TIME. BUT WE NEED TO MAKE IT SO THE PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO LIVE THERE ARE GOING TO BE LESS OF AN IMPACT TO A LOT OF PLACES. HENLEY ROAD AND BEING ABLE TO WALK TWO DIFFERENT STORES. I DON'T PARTICULARLY THINK WE HAVE A CHOICE WHETHER THIS IS GOING TO BE DEVELOPED OR NOT.

I GUESS WE COULD TRY, BUT I DON'T THINK WE WOULD BE SUCCESSFUL. BUT I THINK MOVING THE VILLAGE CENTER TO HENLEY ROAD IS A TERRIBLE IDEA.

ABSOLUTELY TERRIBLE. I AM SENSITIVE TO THE VISIBILITY, BUT I ALSO KNOW THAT IF YOU HAVE THREE DIFFERENT ROADS GOING INTO AN AREA THAT'S BETTER THAN HAVING ONE ROAD. WE DO LISTEN TO EVERYBODY WHEN THEY COME IN TO TALK ABOUT THESE THINGS.

SOMETIMES THEY SWAY US TO DO CERTAIN THINGS, CHANGE CERTAIN THINGS LIKE THE LAST ONE CARVING OUT THAT PARCEL.

BUT I THINK THE STAFF REPORT IN THIS AREA FOR THIS PARTICULAR SITUATION IS CORRECT. I DO LIKE WHERE THE VILLAGE CENTER IS CURRENTLY LOCATED IN THAT INTERSECTION WHERE YOU CAN GET TO IT FROM THREE DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS AND ROADS.

BUT I LIKE THE WAY THIS REPORT IS WRITTEN AND I DO SUPPORT IT.

YOU CAN'T KEEP THROWING STUFF ON ROADS LIKE HENLEY.

YOU JUST CAN'T DO IT. IT'S LUDICROUS.

THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT. THANK YOU.

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>> MR.PUCKHABER: ANYBODY ELSE? COMMENTS?

QUESTIONS? >> SPEAKER: I SHARE THE CONCERNS THAT HAVE ALREADY BROUGHT UP.

I ON THE EXISTING MAP WHERE VILLAGE CENTER.

I PUT VC AND COULDN'T THINK OF THE WORD.

I LIKE THE CHAIRMAN'S IDEA IF IT WENT A LITTLE FURTHER SOUTH BECAUSE I UNDERSTOOD THE AGREEMENT CONCERN AND HOW THAT PWOULD BE MORE PROBLEMATIC WHER IT CURRENTLY SETS.

SO IT SEEMS LIKE IF THAT COULD BE SOMETHING THAT COULD BE ADDRESSED FURTHER IF IT CAN MOVE, BUT I JUST CAN'T SEE IT GOING ON HENLEY. I HAVE HEARD TOO MANY CONCERNS ABOUT ANOTHER BLANDING BLVD. IN CLAY COUNTY AND IT'S A ROAD I MOSTLY LIKE TO AVOID BECAUSE THE CONDITION OF IT.

I DON'T WANT TO SEE ANOTHER ONE.

I ALSO WOULD APPROVE THE STAFF REPORT.

>> YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WANT TO THROW OUT THERE? ALL RIGHT. I AM LOOKING FOR A MOTION.

>> MOTION TO APPROVE THE STAFF REPORT.

>> SECOND. >> MR.PUCKHABER: I HAVE ROBERT AND BELINDA MOTION AND A SECOND.

WITH NOT ALL IN FAVOR OF RECOMMENDING THE STAFF REPORT

STATE AYE. >> ALL: AYE.

>> MR.PUCKHABER: OPPOSE? ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU, SIR. WE HAVE ONE MORE SMALL ITEM OF BUSINESS WHICH YOU GUYS MAY OR MAY NOT BE INTERESTED IN BECAUSE IT KIND OF IS IN THE SAME AREA YOU ARE WELCOME TO LEAVE IF YOU WANT. SO ITEM NUMBER 8 IS A PUBLIC

[5.  Public Hearing to Consider Approval of Transmittal of CRA 2019-10: Policy Encouraging Widening of S.R. 16]

WIPING OF STATE ROAD 16. >> SPEAKER: THAT SHOULD BE CPA.

>> MR.PUCKHABER: IT IS THE COMP PLAN.

ALL RIGHT. >> THIS IS AT THE REQUEST OF THE COUNTY MANAGER AND IT'S EMPHASIZING THE NEED TO ENCOURAGE DOT TO WIDEN STATE ROAD 16 FROM THE FIRST FREEWAY.

TO THE GREEN COAST SPRINGS CITY LIMITS.

CURRENTLY, THE ÃAS YOU CAN SEE ON FIGURE 2, OUR COMP PLAN DOES IDENTIFY FOUR LANES IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA FROM THE EXPRESSWAY TO THE GREEN COVE SPRINGS CITY LIMITS.

THE CITY OF GREEN COVE SPRINGS IDENTIFIES IT AS FOUR LANES SO THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH THEIR COMP AND HEADS OF PLAN.

IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE 20/ 40 AND THEY ARE CURRENTLY DEVELOPING A 24/45 PLAN BUT IT'S CONDITION ON THEIR OTHER PLAN AND IS CONSISTENT WITH THE FAIRGROUNDS MASTER PLAN.HILE WE ARE RECOMMENDING THIS POLICY, IT'S WHEN THE DOT PRIORITIZES IF WE INCLUDE STRONGER POLICIES TO PRIORITIZE CERTAIN IMPROVEMENTS THEY WERE MORE LIKELY TO FIND IT DOWN THE ENTIRE AS YOU CAN SEE ON FIGURE 2 THERE ARE A NUMBER OF ROADWAYS IN CLAY COUNTY THAT WILL NEED IMPROVING AND WE THINK THAT STATE ROAD 16 IN THIS AREA WILL BE OF GREAT NATURE IF YOU LOOK AT TABLE 1 THIS IS FROM THE CATHOLIC CONSERVANCY SPREADSHEET WHICH AS OF YESTERDAY IS NO LONGER AN ITEM. WE KNOW LONGER HAVE TRANSPORTATION CURRENCY BUT IF YOU CAN SEE UNDER LINK NUMBER NINE STATEMENT 16 THIS LINK IS CRITICAL.

THERE ARE ONLY 55 AVAILABLE TRIP BASED ON THE NUMBER OF RESERVE CAPACITY. SO WE THINK THIS IS A WARRANTED COMP PLAN POLICY AND THE DOT WHEN THEY ARE DEVELOPING THEIR FIVE YEAR PLAN WILL LOOK TO CONFERENCE A PLACE TO SEE IF IT HAS THEIR SUPPORT. SO WE RECOMMEND THIS POLICY BE ADOPTED WITHIN THE TRANSPORTATION.

>> AND THIS IS 16 AND WOULD COVER FROM GREEN COAST CITY LIMITS TO THE EXPRESSWAY WHICH IS JUST WEST OF THE

FAIRGROUNDS.> CORRECT. >> MR.PUCKHABER: WERE THE INTERCHANGES GOING. OKAY.

>> SO IT WOULD JUST GO TO THE EXPRESSWAY?

>> MR.PUCKHABER: YES. >> SPEAKER: AND NOT CONTINU?

>> MR.PUCKHABER: CRAIG. >> SPEAKER: AND LET ME ADD TO THAT. THE 20/45 TRANSPORTATION LONG-RANGE PLAN FOR THE TPO IT STOPS AT THE EXPRESSWAY AND THEY HAVE MODELED IT AND AT THE SPECIFIC REQUEST AT PETTY FARMS THEY DON'T WANT TO SEE FOUR LANES THROUGH THERE.

WITH THE NEW MOVEMENT OF THE EXPRESSWAY, THERE'S NOT A NEED FOR IT WITH THE COUNTY ROAD 218 EXTENSION AND SO THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH COUNTY FARMS AND THEY REQUESTED NOT TO HAVE FOUR LANES TO THE BECAUSE OF THE TREES.

>> I KNOW THAT PENNY FARMS IS ON RECORD SAYING IF THEY WANT TO WIDEN 16 THEY NEED TO GO AROUND PENNY FARMS. THEY DON'T WANT WIDEN THROUGH THEIR TREE LINE.

>> I UNDERSTAND THE TREE LINE. >> MR.PUCKHABER: SO THIS WOULD JUST WIDEN IT AND THAT EXPRESSWAY IS GOING TO CROSS 16

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I THINK THEY ARE DRIVING PILES OUT THERE.

I DON'T GET DOWN TO THAT PART OF THE COUNTY THAT MUCH.

>> SPEAKER: I DO ALL THE TIME. >> SO IT WOULD BE FROM THAT POINT BACK TO GREEN COVE AND GREEN COVE IS EITHER ALREADY

FOUR LANES. >> SUM IS TO LANES BUT LIKE I SAID IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THEY HAVE AS FOUR LANES AS

WELL. >> THIS IS REALLY JUST TO

ENCOURAGE THE DOT. >> FOR COMPREHENSIVE PLANS AND THEY ARE DEVELOPING THE WORK PROGRAM SO THIS WILL COMPROMISE

IT TO. >> DOES ANYBODY WANT TO SPEAK ON THIS? OKAY SAYING I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING TO BRING IT BACK FROM RUSSIA.

>> MOVED HER PREPARED. >> SECOND.

>> MR.PUCKHABER: HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND BITE MARY.

NO FURTHER DISCUSSION. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, STATE AYE.

>> ALL: AYE. >> MR.PUCKHABER: OPPOSE?

[Public Comment]

I KNOW YOU ONLY HAVE THE FIRST ONE, BUT DID YOU WANT TO FINISH? THIS IS OUR SECOND GENERAL

PUBLIC HEARING. >> I THINK I WANTED TO STATE SIMPLY YOU MENTIONED THAT GROWTH WAS ÃYOU COULD NOT STOP IT SO WHY TRY? YOU DO A DISSERVICE TO THE SPARTAN. YOU KNOW, THREE OTHER GUYS TOOK ON 10,000 PERSIANS AND THEY REALLY BLOODIED THEM GOOD.

AND THEY MADE IT SO EXPENSIVE THAT THEY KNEW THEY WERE PAYING FOR IT.ET'S MAKE IT AS EXPENSIVE FOR THEM AS POSSIBLE.

LET'S NOT ROLL OVER LIKE A PUPPY FOR A BELLY SCRATCH.

GROWTH IS INEVITABLE. BUT IT DOES NOT HAVE TO BE IRRATIONAL OR IRRESPONSIBLE WHICH IS WHAT THAT THING IS.

THAT ABORTION UP THERE IS A DISSERVICE TO THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE LIVED HERE FOR SO LONG. IT'S A SLAP IN THE FACE AND IT'S A KNIFE IN THE BACK. AND ALTHOUGH YOU DO HAVE A MINOR POINT IN WELL WE NEED ROADS SO LET'S BUILD SOME NEW ONES, YEAH. BUT WHAT YOU'VE GOT IS A ROAD THAT'S ALL WITHIN A COMMUNITY. LET THEM BUILD IT.

LET THEM PAY FOR IT. I DON'T THINK I SHOULD HAVE TO PAY FOR SOMEBODY ELSE'S PROFITS.

THEY WANT TO MAKE MONEY, LET THEM PUT IN THE SERVICES.

IT'S JUST SO DISGUSTING. ABSOLUTELY DISGUSTING TO ME.

YOU KNOW, THOSE PEOPLE KNOW HOW TO MAKE MONEY BUT TRUST ME, THEY ARE NEVER GOING TO BE INVITED INTO MENSA.

BUT THEY ARE DOING IS BORDERLINE CRIMINAL.

SO LET'S TRY TO GET BACK ON TRACK AND LET'S TRY TO TAKE CONTROL OF OUR COMMUNITY. LET'S TRY TO GET IT IN BETTER SHAPE BEFORE BUILDING A ROAD THAT'S WITHIN A COMMUNITY, LET'S FIX THE ROADS THAT REALLY NEED FIXING NOW.

WHAT'S GOING TO COME FIRST? SOME SMALL LITTLE DEVELOPMENT IN THE WAY THAT WANTS TO DUMP 10,000 CARS ONTO OUR ALREADY OVERLOADED ROADS? OR DO WE WANT TO FIX THE ROADS THAT NEED TO BE FIXED. MIKE STANDRIDGE WILL HAVE TO BE WIDENED. AND REPAVED.

RUSSELL IS A QUAINT LITTLE ROAD NOW BUT WITH MORE MORE TRAFFIC MORE SPEEDERS. MORE MORE ACCIDENTS MORE MORE WHITE CROSSES ALONG THE ROAD. IS THAT WHAT WE WANT? BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE WE ARE HEADING.

MARK MY WORDS. SO THANK YOU.

IT'S BEEN A LOVELY MEETING AND I HOPE TO SEE YOU ALL AGAIN AND

LESS THAN SIX MONTHS. >> MR.PUCKHABER: THANK YOU.

NYBODY ELSE? ALL RIGHT.

SAM AND I WILL CLOSE THAT PUBLIC HEARING.

[Old Business/New Business]

DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING, MR. WANAMAKER?

>> ALL: DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ON THE ROADS, YOU KNOW, REPAIRING ANY OR WIDENING ANY OF THOSE EXISTING ROADS THAT THE PUBLIC

WAS CONCERNED ABOUT? >>.

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>> SPEAKER: I UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY ARE SAYING ABOUT RUSSEL RHODES. IT'S A VERY NARROW ROAD.

IT'S GOT BILLS ON AND IT'S DANGEROUS.

>> MR.PUCKHABER: WHEN IS THE NEXT MEETING?

>> I KNOW THE GCC IS FOR THE 22ND.

WHEN IS OURS? NOVEMBER

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