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GO AHEAD. OKAY. OKAY. THE MEETING OF THE HISTORICAL PRESERVATION BOARD IS CALLED TO ORDER.
[Call to Order]
[Approval of Minutes]
FIRST UP IS APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES. DO WE DO I HAVE A MOTION ON THE MINUTES? HAS EVERYBODY HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THEM AND READ THEM? I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM THE LAST MEETING.SECOND. MOTION AND SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
AYE. ANY OPPOSED? NONE OPPOSED. SHOW IS CARRIED.
OKAY. WE WILL GO ON TO THE OLD BUSINESS OR. HOLD ON.
[Public Comment]
PUBLIC COMMENT FIRST. I HAVE ONE PUBLIC COMMENT.PUBLIC COMMENT CARD. MISS KATHY, IF YOU WANT TO COME ON UP.
AND I WAS TOLD JUST BEFORE THE MEETING THAT WE HAVE TO.
ADHERE TO THE THREE MINUTE RULE. SO YOU CAN GO AHEAD.
OKAY. I'M KATHY KASS. I'M. YOU KNOW, I MET WITH YOU GUYS LAST MONTH.
I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING ON THE AGENDA ABOUT WHAT I HAD PROPOSED.
AS FAR AS MAKING A HISTORIC CEMETERIES PART OF OUR CHARTER.
THE CHARTER. AND SO I JUST WONDERED IF THERE WAS ANY DISCUSSION GOING ON ABOUT IT.
I HAVE CONTINUED TO WORK ON THIS. I'M NOW UP TO 79, IN CLAY COUNTY.
AND WE HAVEN'T VISITED THEM ALL YET, BUT I HAVE GONE DOWN AND COMPARED NOTES WITH NOT ONLY THE STATE OF FLORIDA BUT OTHER RESOURCES. AND I ALSO WENT DOWN AND SAW VICHY AT THE ARCHIVES.
I ACTUALLY HAVE MORE THAN WHAT SHE DOES. SO THIS IS A PASSION FOR QUITE A FEW OF US.
I JUST WANT TO KNOW IF YOU GUYS WERE HAVING DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS.
OKAY, SUPER. AS FAR AS I KNOW, I KNOW I WAS GOING TO BRING UP THE CEMETERIES IN MY IN THE NEW BUSINESS OR BOARD COMMENTS. OKAY. BUT OTHER THAN THAT, I'M NOT SURE IF ANYBODY ELSE BECAUSE WE CAN ONLY TALK WHEN WE ARE UP HERE.
WE CAN'T CONVERSE BECAUSE OF THE SUNSHINE LAW.
WE CAN'T CONVERSE OUTSIDE OF HERE ABOUT BOARD BUSINESS.
SO. RIGHT. WE WILL BE GETTING TO IT LATER IN THE MEETING.
OKAY. ALRIGHT, ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE THAT.
OKAY. ANY OTHER BROTHER ELSE WANTS TO SPEAK ON PUBLIC COMMENT? IF NOT, THEN I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT AND WE'LL GO ON TO OLD BUSINESS AND HISTORICAL MARKER PROGRESS.
[Old Business]
AND FIRST UP IS THE MIDDLEBURG COLORED SCHOOL.WHO WANTS TO GO FIRST? WE ARE WORKING TO FINISH UP THE DETAILED PARTS OF THE APPLICATION FOR THE STATE. THERE AREN'T TOO MANY THINGS, BUT ONE OF THEM IS THE JUSTIFICATION FOR THE MOVED BUILDING.
SO IT'S JUST A MATTER OF WRITING THAT UP AND THEN PROVIDING THE REFERENCES FOR THEM.
THE WE SHOULD BE MOVING RIGHT ALONG WITH THE CONTINUED APPLICATION PROCESS.
THAT'S CORRECT. AND THAT'S NO, NO. HERE, YOU CAN TAKE THAT.
THAT'S THE AGENDA. THANK YOU. THERE WERE SOME.
SO I NEED TO GET WITH YOU. WE DID TALK ABOUT THE LOCATION.
YOU WERE FINE WITH THE SIGN WHERE THEY WERE POSTED FOR THAT EVENT.
SO WE JUST NEED TO MAP THAT AND JUST, LIKE, TIE UP THE LOOSE ENDS AND GET IT SUBMITTED.
SO YEAH, THAT'S THE MAIN THING. SO JUST TO LET YOU KNOW WHERE WE ARE ON THAT.
OKAY. CLOSING IN ON THE FINAL. OKAY. NEXT UP IS FORT 11. AND I'M GOING TO ALSO THROW IN THE MIDDELBURG MUSEUM AND CIVIC CENTER BECAUSE IT'S ALL DIRECTED TOWARDS MISTER JERRY DOWN THERE. OKAY. WARD 11, BASICALLY, IF IT'S GREEN, IF WARD 11 IS GOING TO BE A ONE SIDED SIGN, I HAVE ENOUGH TEXT TO WHICH I KIND OF SHOWED THE LAST TIME. I'M JUST TRYING TO SEE NOW, SINCE WE'RE STUCK WITH GETTING APPROVAL FROM ANYTHING, IF I CAN IMPROVE ON IT WITH SOME OF THE OTHER
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DOZENS OF PAPERS I OBTAINED IN THE LAST FEW MONTHS, BUT OTHERWISE, IT'S READY TO GO AS IT IS.OKAY. DO WE WANT A TWO SIDED SIGN OR. WELL, I GUESS DEIRDRE ISN'T HERE TO.
OH, YEAH. TWO SIDED. I MEAN, IF WE HAVE ENOUGH FOR IT TO BE TWO SIDED, THEN.
YEAH, IT'S A DEPENDING ON, YOU KNOW, WHERE YOU'RE COMING AT IT FROM I GUESS.
BUT. YEAH. WHAT TYPE OF SIGN ARE YOU LOOKING TO PUT UP THERE? STATE STATE STATE STATE MARKER. YES. WHICH IS THE CAST METAL? IT WAS A SMALL FORT THAT ONLY EXISTED FOR LESS THAN TWO YEARS, BUT IT WAS KIND OF WATCHED OVER.
EVEN AFTER THAT, UNTIL THE VERY END OF THE WAR, AND FOR 42 AND AFTERWARDS FOR THE RESETTLEMENT OF THE AREA BY THE SETTLERS WHO WERE WAITING FOR THE END OF THE WAR TO GO OUT AND PIONEER IT.
YES. THAT'S RIGHT. THERE WASN'T VERY MUCH ONE SIDED SIGN.
BUT THEN AFTER YOU STARTED DIGGING INTO IT, WE FOUND MORE MATERIAL.
AND YES, WE CAN ALWAYS EXPAND IT. OKAY, WELL, I'LL GET BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD ON THAT THEN.
OKAY. AS IT IS, WE KNOW WE HAVE A PLENTY FOR ONE SIDER NOW.
OH. WELL, YOU'RE JUST. AND THE KEYSTONE HEIGHTS ONE HAS KIND OF BEEN TAKEN OFF OF OUR PLATE BECAUSE THE HISTORICAL OR THE KEYSTONE HERITAGE COMMISSION IS TAKING IT OVER AND PAYING FOR IT, AND THEY'RE SUBMITTING THE APPLICATION.
OKAY. SO AND THE THE MIDDLEBURG AND CIVIC CENTER IS ALSO BASICALLY WRITTEN BUT AS LONG AS WE CAN'T GO FORWARD UNTIL THAT BOARD OF THE STATE LEVEL CONVENES ITSELF OR HAS ENOUGH PEOPLE.
WHAT WAS THE SOURCE OF THE MONEY. CLEARLY, IT HAD TO COME FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, BUT WE DON'T HAVE ANY CONCRETE EVIDENCE THAT IT WAS, WPA, WHICH OF COURSE IS WHAT PEOPLE LIKE TO SAY FOR THAT ERA OF THE DEPRESSION.
SO WE COULD JUST SAY FEDERAL FUNDS SO THAT WOULD THAT WOULD BE WRITTEN AS, AS I'VE GOT IT ALREADY.
BUT IF I CAN REALLY FIND OUT EXACTLY WHAT THAT SOURCE WAS, THAT THAT WOULD BE GOOD, BECAUSE ALL WE'VE GOT IS, YOU KNOW, NEWSPAPER CLIPPINGS FROM A YEAR LATER OR A FEW YEARS LATER, BUT WE GOT NO ACTUAL, YOU KNOW, DOCUMENTARY EVIDENCE WHERE THE COUNTY GOT THE MONEY, BUT IT HAD TO COME FROM OUTSIDE THE COUNTY.
GIVEN THE TIME WE WERE IN THEN. SO ANYWAY, THAT'S YEAH, THAT'LL BE READY ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
WHENEVER THEY'RE. THE STATE IS READY TO HEAR OUR STUFF.
OR IS IT THE CASE THAT WE CAN SUBMIT IT TO THEM ANYWAY, EVEN IF THERE'S NOT ENOUGH OF A QUORUM FOR THEM TO ACT ON IT? SO I CHECKED WITH THEM BECAUSE WE WE SUBMITTED THE SAINT MARY'S AFTER THEY WERE WITHOUT A QUORUM.
THEY ARE STILL CURRENTLY HAVE VACANT SEATS ON THEIR COUNCIL, SO THEY ARE NOT HEARING ANYTHING.
I ASKED WHAT THEIR BACKLOG IS. THEY SAID THEY HAVE A LITTLE MORE THAN 50 MARKERS, WHICH INCLUDES THE BRANDON FIELD AND SAINT MARY'S, WHICH I'M SURPRISED. I SORT OF THOUGHT IT WOULD BE MORE THAN THAT, BUT 50 IS A LOT.
SO THAT'S JUST SOMETHING TO KEEP IN MIND. AND THAT'S TOO BAD THEY HAVEN'T RAISED THE QUORUM, BECAUSE THE LAST BUNCH THAT WE HAD TO DEAL WITH A YEAR OR TWO BACK WERE PRETTY GOOD.
YOU KNOW, THEY WERE UP ON THEIR THEIR HISTORY AND THEY HAD THE RIGHT QUESTIONS AND EVERYTHING.
YEAH. ALL RIGHT. SO THAT TAKES CARE OF THE OLD BUSINESS.
AND FOR OUR NEW BUSINESS, WE DO HAVE FOR MISTER GRIFFITH.
[New Business]
GRIFFITH. HE HAS SUBMITTED THE APPLICATION FOR PLEASANT POINT CEMETERY.FOR A MARKER TO BE CONSIDERED. HAS. HAVE YOU ALL BEEN ABLE TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT? THIS IS THIS. I'M NOT GOING TO TANGLE MYSELF UP IN ANY MORE OF THESE SIGNS FOR STEVE AND HIS
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COLLEAGUES HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THAT CEMETERY AND DOING ALL SORTS OF WHAT AM I? OH, YEAH. WHY DON'T YOU? YEAH. ALL RIGHT. THE ONLY THING I REALLY HAD TO SAY IS I HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL DOCUMENTATION IF THE BOARD WOULD LIKE TO ACCEPT IT. A LIST OF THE PEOPLE THAT ARE DOCUMENTED TO BE OUT THERE.I THINK 25 PLUS ARE DUE TO KATHY. OH. I'M SORRY.
THERE'S A LIST OF ABOUT 34 PEOPLE. 34. AND THE ABUNDANCE OF THOSE KATHY CAST IS THE ONE RESPONSIBLE FOR FINDING THE DOCUMENTATION FOR THOSE. AND THEN JUST TO WRITE UP, I DID WHEN I REGISTERED THE CEMETERY FOR THE BLACK CEMETERY NETWORK, WHICH IS A NATIONWIDE GROUP THAT GOES AND RESCUES BLACK CEMETERIES.
SO I JUST WONDER IF THE BOARD WOULD ALSO ACCEPT THIS INFORMATION, ALONG WITH WHAT I SUBMITTED AT THE LAST MEETING? YEAH. RIGHT.
OKAY. IS THERE ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. GRIFFITHS? I GUESS I YEAH. STEVE, DID YOU HAVE A BASIC TEXT OUTLINE FOR WHAT THE SON WILL HAVE? NOT YET. I DID RECEIVE YOUR EMAIL, BUT I WOULD BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO WRITE UP SOMETHING.
YES, I THINK I THINK THAT'S USUALLY WHAT WE START WITH.
AND THEN WE CAN MASSAGE IT OR COMMENT ON IT OR WHATEVER.
APPROXIMATELY HOW MANY CHARACTERS IS 135? 1235.
IT'S A ONE SIDED THING. ALL RIGHT. IS THAT WHAT THE BOARD WOULD LIKE ME TO DO? BECAUSE I'D BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO DO THAT. YEAH.
USUALLY THE THE PEOPLE, THE PROPONENTS OF OF A SIGN COME UP WITH A PROPOSAL, WHAT IT OUGHT TO LOOK LIKE, AND THEN THE BOARD CAN REACT TO THAT AND SO FORTH.
BUT IT'S REALLY ULTIMATELY THE THE PERSON PROPOSING OR PEOPLE PROPOSING IT.
THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THAT. IT HAS TO BE, AS YOU KNOW, DOCUMENTED WHEREVER POSSIBLE.
WHAT IS WHAT IS YOUR PERSPECTIVE ON THAT? DO YOU WANT A ONE SIDED STATE MARKER OR TWO SIDED STATE MARKER? HAVE YOU HAVE YOU THOUGHT ABOUT HOW IT'S GOING TO BE DISPLAYED? I HAVEN'T, BUT HOPEFULLY BE SEEN BY THE ROAD, SO I THINK A TWO SIDED MARKER WOULD BE PREFERABLE IF I COULD INTERJECT THE MATTER OF WHERE IT'S IT'S PLACEMENT IN RELATION TO THE PUBLIC AND EVERYTHING.
IS THAT KIND OF ALREADY WORKED OUT? NO, BUT I COULD WORK IT OUT.
YOU WANT TO GIVE THEM A LITTLE MORE? WELL, WE DON'T WE DON'T PUT A.
SIGN SHOULDN'T BE NEXT TO THE ROAD. IT NEEDS TO BE ON PROPERTY.
A WAYS WHERE PEOPLE CAN PULL OFF AND BE ABLE TO SAFELY PARK AND GET OUT AND VIEW THE SIGN UP.
ALSO, I DO HAVE A QUESTION ON THIS AND I DO KNOW A LITTLE BIT, BUT WHO OWNS THIS CEMETERY? IT'S UNOWNED AND HAS THE I DO KNOW THERE'S A STATUTE OR A FLORIDA ORDINANCE OR SOMETHING THAT GIVES THE COUNTY THE RIGHT TO KIND OF MAINTAIN AN ABANDONED CEMETERY, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THE COUNTY HAS.
CLAIMED THAT. I AM NOT AWARE THAT THEY HAVE CLAIMED THAT OR TAKEN PART OF IT.
SO I'D BE INTERESTED IN THAT STATUTE. SO THAT'S THAT'S MY QUESTION IS WITH WHAT AUTHORITY DO WE HAVE TO GO ON TO RIGHT NOW PRIVATE PROPERTY AND PUT IN A MARKER? WELL, IT'S LISTED IN THE STATE. WHAT'S THE MASTER FILE AS A CEMETERY? YEAH, BUT YOU STILL HAVE TO HAVE PERMISSION TO GO ONTO SOMEBODY ELSE'S PROPERTY.
COULD KATHY CASS MAYBE ADDRESS THAT? IS THAT APPROPRIATE? SORRY. SHE KNOWS MORE THAN I DO. SHE'S SMART.
SORRY. OKAY, SO THIS PROPERTY WAS. WAS PART OF A LAND GRANT BACK IN THE EARLY 1830S.
WE PUT A LOT OF THAT RESEARCH INTO THE ARTICLE THAT WAS DONE IN THE CLAY TODAY.
AND THEN BACK IN I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BUT PROBABLY RIGHT AROUND THE EARLY
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1900S. 1930. I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER THE THE PEOPLE THAT WERE THE HEIRS OF THAT PROPERTY DEEDED IT TO BE A CEMETERY, JUST LIKE SOME OF THE OTHER ONES WE'RE WORKING ON. IT HAS NO OWNER.IT'S NOT BEING OWNED BY THE COUNTY. IT'S NOT BEING MANAGED BY THE COUNTY.
THERE'S NOT AN OWNER TO GO TALK TO. OKAY, THAT THAT MAY POSE A PROBLEM BECAUSE WHEN YOU SUBMIT AN APPLICATION, THERE NEEDS TO BE AN OWNER AND SOMEONE THAT WILL CLAIM RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE MAINTENANCE OF THE SIGN.
THAT'S A REQUIREMENT OF THE APPLICATION. KIND OF HARD TO DO WITH SOME HISTORIC PLACES THAT DO NOT HAVE OWNERS, AND IT'S NOT OWNED BY THE STATE. IT'S NOT OWNED BY THE COUNTY.
RIGHT NOW, WE'RE, YOU KNOW, VOLUNTEERS ARE MAINTAINING IT.
I WOULD SUGGEST A COUPLE THINGS THAT MAYBE WE DETERMINE WHO WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS CEMETERY.
THE SIGN. THERE'S ALSO A COUPLE OF THINGS WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT WITH THE BUDGET.
NORMALLY, YOUR BUDGET IS $7,500. YOU WERE GRANTED A LITTLE EXTRA MONEY TO CARRY OVER FOR THE BRANDON FIELD MARKER RIGHT NOW, WITH THE MARKERS THAT WE'VE SUBMITTED AND HAVE IN PLACE AND THE INCREASE IN THE MARKER PRICE, BECAUSE THEY'VE NOW GONE UP TO 3000 FOR 30, 70 FOR A SINGLE MARKER SINGLE SIDE AND 3510 FOR A DOUBLE SIDED MARKER.
SO WITH THE BRANDON FIELD, SAINT MARY'S EPISCOPAL, AND MIDDLEBURG COLOR SCHOOL, THAT IS A GRAND TOTAL OF 9006 50, WHICH WE HAVE BEEN GIVEN A 10,000 FOR THIS YEAR.
WE'RE ABOUT TO GO INTO BUDGET FOR NEXT YEAR. WE HAVE NO GUARANTEES OF BUDGET.
HOPEFULLY WE WILL GET A BUDGET, BUT I JUST WANT TO MANAGE EXPECTATIONS.
SO JUST TO LET YOU KNOW THAT AS FAR AS BUDGET GOES AND LIKE WHEN THAT'S ACTUALLY DEBITED, WHEN IS THAT DEBITED IT? IT IS WHEN A PO IS DRAWN ON THEM WHICH IS AFTER THE MARKER HAS BEEN REVIEWED BY THE COUNCIL.
AND UNFORTUNATELY WE'RE STILL IN THE SAME SITUATION.
SO IN THE REMAINING MARKERS THAT ARE ALREADY ACCOUNTED FOR ARE IN THAT STAGE AS WELL.
SO BUT THE BOARD HAS APPROVED SUBMITTING IT. SO I COUNTED THAT, AS YOU KNOW, ON ON THE, THE BOOKS HERE, BUT WE HAVE THE OTHERS THAT YOU'RE WORKING ON.
AND IF YOU'RE READY TO SUBMIT THOSE, WE'RE UNSURE OF FUNDING.
HOPEFULLY WE'LL GET ADDITIONAL FUNDING FOR NEXT YEAR FOR WHAT WE'RE WORKING ON. BUT.
OKAY. WELL, YEAH, MAYBE WE SHOULD PUT THE ONES I'VE WORKED UP AS THEY ARE TO BE PLACEHOLDERS, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE MAYBE WE COULD DO A LAST MINUTE.
IT'S BEEN ASKED, BUT THERE'S ABSOLUTELY NO GUARANTEES UNTIL THE BUDGET IS FINALIZED.
SO. WELL. TRUE, RIGHT? BUT TO BE IN THE PIPELINE, IT SOUNDS LIKE.
IS IT IMPORTANT THING? YES. WHAT WE'VE COMMITTED TO, WHAT WE'VE SUBMITTED.
I THINK WE'RE COVERED ON THAT. IT'S THE ADDITIONAL WE'LL SEE.
WE'LL SEE WHAT MAKES IT THROUGH THE BUDGET. OKAY.
ONE THING I'D LIKE TO MENTION HERE, WITH THE SEVERAL PROJECTS THAT ARE BEING WORKED ON NOW AND IN PART OF THE AGENDA, THE HISTORICAL CEMETERY FORM WAS SUBMITTED. I WOULD SUGGEST THAT THOSE THINGS TAKE LONGER TO FILL OUT THAN MANY PEOPLE, INCLUDING MYSELF, EXPECTED.
SO THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE FORM, WHICH IS IT'S PARALLEL TO THE HISTORIC CEMETERY FORM, IS A TWO PAGE FORM, BUT HAS ABOUT 37 PAGES OF INSTRUCTIONS TO FILL IT OUT.
SO THEY'RE EXTREMELY DETAILED. THE REQUIREMENT THAT THE INFORMATION WRITTEN ABOUT IN THE TEXT BE COMPLETELY DOCUMENTED SO THAT ANYTHING THERE'S NO ROOM TO WAFFLE ON THESE THINGS BECAUSE ACCORDING TO THE STATE, THESE ARE ESSENTIALLY HISTORICAL DOCUMENTS.
ONCE THESE THESE SIGNS ARE UP, THEY'RE CONSIDERED HISTORICAL DOCUMENTS.
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TEXT AND, AND GETTING IN LINE TO HAVE THINGS BECAUSE YOU MIGHT NEED TO GO BACK TO THE, TO THE DRAWING BOARD ON SOME OF THE THINGS THAT ARE REQUIRED FROM THE STATE ON THESE FORMS. SO THERE'S NO REAL WAY, I DON'T THINK, TO SHORTCUT THIS PART OF THE APPLICATION AS WE JUMP AHEAD WITH THE ESSAYS THAT GO INTO THE MAKING OF THE SIGNS REGARDING THE CURRENT OWNERSHIP OF OF THE CEMETERY, WOULDN'T HAS ANYBODY CHECKED WITH THE PROPERTY APPRAISER'S OFFICE TO SEE WHAT THERE WAS? YES. YEAH. WHAT DID WHAT DOES IT SAY? IT SAYS WOODLAWN CEMETERY.I CHECKED. NO, NO, NO TAX. EXCEPT, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT BEING TAXED OR CARRIED ON THE ROLLS FOR.
OH, INTERESTING. IT SAYS WOODLAWN AND NOT PLEASANT POINT.
YES, IT SAYS WOODLAWN. I PULLED IT UP THE OTHER DAY AFTER I GOT THE AGENDA.
I LOOKED AT IT TRYING TO SEE ABOUT THE OWNERSHIP AND THAT'S WHAT IT SAID.
WOODLAWN AND I EVEN GOOGLED WOODLAWN AND GREEN COVE.
THINKING THAT MIGHT BE SOME SORT OF PLACEHOLDER NAME, YOU KNOW, LIKE LIKE WITH THE FOUNDATION FOR THE MUSEUM OUT THERE IN MIDDLEBURG.
I WAS THINKING THAT MIGHT BE SOME SORT OF SOMETHING LIKE THAT. AND I COULDN'T FIND NO RECORD OF IT.
AND DRINK OF EITHER. YES TO. SORRY. AS TO THE ORIGIN OF THE NAME WOODLAWN, WE HAVEN'T GOT DOCUMENTATION AS TO WHY ON THAT ONE, BUT WE THINK IT WAS THE CORONER'S AND PERHAPS THE OUTSIDE GROUP THAT WAS TRYING TO NAME IT RATHER THAN THE INITIAL NAME, WHICH WAS PLEASANT POINT. IN OTHER WORDS, THE WHY I HATE TO JUST SAY IT LIKE THIS, BUT THE WHITE PEOPLE NAMING IT SOMETHING ELSE.
IT'S ALSO IN A COUPLE DOCUMENTS, IS LISTED AS MAGNOLIA SPRINGS COLORED CEMETERY.
AND I WOULD GET. I WILL FIND DOCUMENTATION TO PROVE THAT.
SO YOUR POINTS ARE ALL WELL TAKEN. I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT.
AND YEAH, I'D LOVE TO GET ALL THE DOCUMENTATION IN ORDER.
EVEN IF I HAD ALL MY STUFF TOGETHER, IT WOULD PROBABLY BE WITH THE FUNDING ISSUES AND EVERYTHING.
IT WOULD PROBABLY BE AT LEAST A YEAR, MAYBE TWO, BEFORE WE COULD GET TO IT.
PLENTY OF TIME. MY ASPIRATIONS IS IF WE CAN GET IT CLEANED UP, THEN THE STATE HAS MONEY FOR BLACK CEMETERIES AND I'LL TRY TO WRITE A GRANT AND GET THAT MONEY. AND THEN AT THAT POINT, TRY TO FIND A TRUSTEE TO TAKE OVER THE GRAVEYARD, AND THEN YOU'D HAVE YOUR PERSON RESPONSIBLE FOR THE SIGN.
OKAY. WAS I WAS GOING TO ASK SOME QUESTIONS, BUT I KNOW SHE AIN'T GOING TO HAVE THE ANSWERS.
BUT MAYBE SHE CAN TALK TO MISS COURTNEY AND FIND THEM OUT FOR US.
ALRIGHT, SO WITH THAT SAID DO I HEAR A MOTION ON THE MARKER FOR CONSIDERATION? DO WE WANT TO PUT IT ON HOLD UNTIL WE FIND OUT MORE INFORMATION ON THE CEMETERY STATUS AND WHAT WE CAN DO? WELL, AND JUST ASK MR. GRIFFIN IF HE WANTS TO KEEP WORKING ON DOCUMENTATION FOR US.
I'D PREFER US TO SAY. LET US FIND OUT MORE INFORMATION.
YOU KEEP DIGGING FOR MORE INFORMATION, DOCUMENTATION, AND THEN MAYBE WE CAN IN A MAYBE BY NEXT MEETING, WE WOULD HAVE SOME SORT OF IDEA OF HOW TO PROCEED FORWARD WITH IT.
DOESN'T SOUND LIKE WE NEED TO RUSH IT. SO I THINK TABLING IT FOR NOW IS A GOOD DECISION, AND I'LL TRY TO DO EVERYTHING I CAN ON MY END TO PULL TOGETHER DOCUMENTATION AND GET THE CEMETERY CLEANED UP. ALL RIGHT. I'D LIKE TO SAY ONE THING.
FIRST OF ALL, STEVE HAS DONE A LOT OF WORK OUT THERE, GETTING THAT PLACE CLEANED UP AND EVERYTHING ELSE, WHICH IS. SHOWN RESPECT FOR THOSE THAT ARE BURIED OUT THERE.
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SECONDLY, THERE ARE SOME NOTABLE NAMES OF PEOPLE BURIED OUT THERE.THERE'S TWO. TWO. I SAW TWO OF THE TWO OF THE GUYS.
OR WERE THEY LOST THEIR LIVES IN THE CIVIL WAR? THERE'S TWO CIVIL WAR VETERANS. ONE IS A FORESTER THAT'S THE DESCENDANT OF CECIL FORESTER, WHO WAS THE FIRST FREE BLACK MAN IN THIS AREA IN NORTH FLORIDA.
YEAH. AND HE WAS HE WAS WITH THE US NAVY AS WELL.
SO. CORRECT. I TURNED IN A LIST OF THAT IS ACTUALLY DOCUMENTED.
IT'S JUST TAKEN FROM FIND A GRAVE SO WE CAN LOOK AT ALL THE PEOPLE ON ONE PAGE.
I SUBMITTED THAT, BUT I DIDN'T HAVE ANOTHER COPY WITH ME TO REFERENCE HERE.
THANK YOU. THAT WAS I MEAN, I WILL SEND THE PAPERWORK, BUT I YOU KNOW, WHETHER OR NOT I HEAR BACK FROM THE UNITED STATES NAVY, THAT'S A DIFFERENT THING ALTOGETHER, BUT I WILL I'LL DO WHAT I CAN, BECAUSE TO ME, THIS IS ONE OF THE ONES THAT REALLY NEED TO BE PRESERVED. AND IT REALLY NEEDS TO BE BECAUSE THE NAMES OUT THERE AND THE PEOPLE THAT WEREN'T TURNED OUT, THEY'RE CIVIL WAR VETS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
GOOD GRIEF. IT'S JUST AMAZING. THANK, THANK YOU GUYS FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.
THANKS FOR ALL YOUR WORK TOO, STEVE. ALL RIGHT.
SO THAT TAKES CARE OF THAT ONE. CERTIFICATES OF APPROVAL.
WE HAVE NONE. SECOND, PUBLIC COMMENT IS OPEN.
ANYBODY ELSE WISH TO SPEAK? ALRIGHT, WE'LL CLOSE IT.
[Staff Comments]
STAFF COMMENTS. FOR NEXT MONTH WE'RE COMING AROUND TO APRIL.APRIL IS WHEN WE HAVE TO START THINKING ABOUT THE NEXT.
THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN IN THE ORDINANCE, THE WAY WE HAVE TO START THINKING ABOUT THE NEXT CHAIR, VICE CHAIR OF THE THE BOARD. SO START THINKING IF YOU'RE WILLING TO VOLUNTEER FOR THAT POSITION AND WE'LL MOVE THROUGH THAT PROCESS AGAIN. OKAY. OKAY. NOW WE'RE ON TO BOARD COMMENTS.
[Board Member's Comments]
I'M GOING ASK BETH ABOUT WHAT DOES SINCE YOU'RE ALSO THE PLANNING DIRECTOR OF PLANNING, YOU MAY KNOW THE ANSWER.WHAT ABOUT CEMETERIES THAT ARE ABANDONED? WHAT'S THE COUNTY STATUTE? DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE COUNTY'S POSITION IS ON THOSE? I DO NOT. AND I'D BE INTERESTED IN THAT STATUTE THAT YOU REFERENCED SO THAT I CAN DO FURTHER RESEARCH.
YEAH. I'LL EMAIL IT TO YOU TOMORROW. BUT MY QUESTION IS THIS IF WE HAVE, LIKE RIGHT NOW, IF SOMEBODY WAS TO BUY A BIG PLOT OF LAND AND THERE'S A OLD CEMETERY ON IT, DO THEY HAVE TO GET OUR PERMISSION TO DO ANYTHING AROUND THAT CEMETERY AS FAR AS THE HISTORICAL BOARD OR LIKE WITH THE, YOU KNOW, THE CERTIFICATES OF APPROVAL? I MEAN, THEY DON'T THERE'S IS THERE ANY PROTECTION FOR THE BURIAL SITES? THERE IS PROTECTIONS. THEY CAN'T DISTURB BURIAL SITES.
IT BUT THEY DON'T HAVE TO COME BEFORE THE BOARD.
WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST IS THIS MIKE IS LOUD. I WOULD SUGGEST IF WE KNOW OF ANY CEMETERIES THAT ARE OUT THERE, AND ESPECIALLY IF WE KNOW OF OWNERSHIP OF THOSE CEMETERIES, THAT WE MAYBE DISCUSS REZONING THEM TO A ZONING DISTRICT THAT IS FOR CEMETERIES, SO THAT IT FURTHER CALLS OUT THE LOCATION OF THAT CEMETERY SO THAT FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT IT'S KNOWN THAT THERE'S A CEMETERY IN EXISTENCE AND IT'S MAYBE EVEN A LITTLE BIT MORE PROTECTED BY THE FACT THAT IT'S BEEN CALLED OUT AND IT'S ON A MAP AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, DESIGNATED. ALSO, CERTAINLY ANY MASTER FILE UPDATES, YOU KNOW, THE MORE THAT CAN BE DONE WITH THAT WOULD BE BETTER.
AS WELL AS UPDATING FPN. SO I'M NOT SURE WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO DO AS A VOLUNTEER.
I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND, WERE YOU WANTING TO APPLY TO BE ON THIS COMMISSION OR THIS BOARD OR.
YES. WELL, LAST, MY LAST MONTH AND YOU KNOW, YOU WEREN'T HERE.
I WAS ASKED IF I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN VOLUNTEERING TO BE ON THE BOARD.
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COMMISSION WAS INVOLVED IN THAT MANY YEARS AGO, AND WE NEED TO GET OUR HANDS AROUND IT.AND I HAVE A LOT OF I PROBABLY HAVE A LOT OF THE ANSWERS TO THE QUESTIONS YOU'RE ASKING.
YOU KNOW, JUST SIMPLY BECAUSE I'VE BEEN SO INVOLVED, I'VE GONE THROUGH TRAINING, I'M INVOLVED WITH FPN, I'M INVOLVED WITH THE STATE HISTORICAL COMMISSION.
I MEAN, I, I'VE GONE THROUGH A LOT OF STUFF, SO I HAVE A LOT OF INFORMATION, PROBABLY NOT BEST TODAY BECAUSE I'VE BEEN DEALING WITH A HEAD COLD, SO I'M A LITTLE FOGGY, BUT I PROBABLY CAN ANSWER A LOT OF THE QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE.
SO I LOVE TO BE ON THE BOARD. IF YOU ALL ARE WILLING TO HAVE A HISTORIC CEMETERY SUBCOMMITTEE OR WHATEVER PART THAT WE CAN DO IT, I'M HAPPY TO TO VOLUNTEER TO BE ON THE BOARD.
AND I HAVE OTHER VOLUNTEERS, LIKE STEVE AND SOME OTHER FOLKS THAT HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH WITH US ON THE CEMETERIES ALREADY THEY'D BE HAPPY TO PARTICIPATE ON THAT COMMITTEE AS WELL. OKAY, SO WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST IS THAT IF YOU GO ON THE WEBSITE AND FILL OUT AN APPLICATION TO BE CONSIDERED FOR THIS BOARD, WE HAVE A COUPLE OF OPENINGS. OKAY. AND I THINK I HAVE YOUR EMAIL.
I THINK YOU PROBABLY. YEAH. OKAY. I'LL LOOK FOR THAT AND I'LL SEND YOU A LINK TO IT.
IT'S ON OUR WEBSITE WHERE BOARDS AND COMMITTEES WHERE THEY HAVE APPLICATIONS FOR VOLUNTEERS.
YEAH. WE USED TO HAVE ONE THIS BOARD BEFORE IT WAS CALLED THE PRESERVATION BOARD.
IT WAS THE HISTORICAL COMMISSION, I THINK. AND THERE USED TO BE A CEMETERY COMMITTEE.
I THINK ELIZABETH SPENCER WAS PRESIDENT OF IT.
I THINK THAT WOULD BE A GREAT IDEA, TO TELL YOU THE TRUTH.
AND AND ADDITIONALLY, I HOPE THAT WE HAVE AS THE SAME TYPE OF LIKE MINDED PEOPLE WHO'S INTERESTED IN PRESERVING US SACRED GROUND WHERE PEOPLE ARE BURIED BEFORE WE ALL GET THERE.
AND SO WE KNOW IT'S TAKEN CARE OF. AND SO, YEAH, I'D BE ALL FOR THAT.
YEAH. STRUCTURE IS THE KEY WORD THERE. SO THAT'S THAT'S DEFINITELY.
SO I JUST GO TO THE PRESERVATION BOARD ON THE WEBSITE.
THERE'S A PLACE ON THERE. IT'S UNDER COMMITTEES AND BOARDS.
OKAY. I'LL SEND YOU AN EMAIL. OKAY. THANKS, BETH.
THE COUNTY TAKING, I DON'T KNOW TO SAY OWNERSHIP, BUT TAKING OVER ABANDONED CEMETERIES.
LIKE I SAID, I KNOW THERE IS THAT ONE STATUTE, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S THERE HAS TO BE A COUNTY ORDINANCE AS WELL AS A STATE ORDINANCE TO INSIST FOR THE COUNTY TO DO ANYTHING OR NOT.
SO I'LL SEND IT TO YOU IN AN EMAIL. OKAY. PERFECT.
THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, THAT'S MY COMMENTS. WE'LL START DOWN HERE AT THIS END AND WORK OUR WAY AROUND AS FAR AS LOOKING FORWARD TO THE NEXT BUDGET.
DO WE LOOK LIKE WE WERE HAVING ANY DIRECTION AS FAR AS WHAT WE'RE COMMITTED TO, WHETHER IT'S SIGNS THAT ARE IN THE WORKINGS OR YOU KNOW, WE DISCUSSED WHAT THAT NUMBER MIGHT BE, WHICH IS KIND OF FLUCTUATING RIGHT NOW, BUT WHAT AS A BOARD ARE WE LOOKING FOR TO NEXT YEAR? WELL, WE HAVE I KNOW WE HAVE THE RUNNING FIELD MARKER.
WE HAVE THE MIDDLEBURG COLORED SCHOOL MARKER.
WE HAVE THE SAINT MARY'S MARKER THAT'S GOING TO TAKE UP THIS YEAR'S FUNDS.
AND THEN THEY HAVE BEEN GIVING US ABOUT 7000, 5 TO $7000 FOR MARKERS.
SO IF THEY GIVE US 7000, WE MAY SQUEEZE IN TWO MORE NEXT YEAR.
AND WE HAVE 4 TO 11 AND WE HAVE THE MIDDLEBURG MUSEUM AND CIVIC CENTER MARKERS.
TAX IS READY TO BASICALLY READY TO GO. SO I MEAN, IT LOOKS LIKE FOR THE NEXT TWO, TO TWO YEARS.
WE GOT TWO YEARS WORTH OF FUNDING WORTH OF MARKERS ALREADY ON OUR PLATES RIGHT NOW.
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BETH IS WHEN YOU SAID 5 TO 7000, IS THAT ALREADY DEDICATED SOLELY TO MARKERS OR.SO NORMALLY IT'S 7500. AND LIKE I SAID, THEY GAVE US A LITTLE EXTRA BECAUSE OF THE OUTSTANDING ONE.
THE MARKERS WE'VE GOT COMMITTED WOULD BE 9650, WHICH WOULD BE OF THE 10,000.
THAT PRETTY MUCH IS IT. IF THEY CARRY OVER THAT MONEY FOR US TO THE NEXT YEAR AND THEN GIVE US HOPEFULLY THAT SAME 7500 BILLY'S RIGHT. YOU'RE BASICALLY COMMITTED WITH YOUR DOUBLE SIDED MARKER FOR MIDDLEBURG.
THAT'S 35, TEN. AND THEN A SINGLE SIDED MARKER WOULD BE ANOTHER 3000.
SO THAT'S THAT'S IT. IS IT SOLELY SOLELY TWO MARKERS THOUGH, OR IS THAT 7500 JUST THE BOARD'S BUDGET? IT'S THE BUDGET IS 7500. OKAY. SO IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO BE FOUR MARKERS.
CORRECT. BUT THAT'S KIND OF THE DIRECTION WE'VE GONE.
SO IF THERE ARE OTHER PROJECTS THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO PUT FORTH THAT YOU COULD MONITOR, YOU KNOW, PUT A MONETARY FIGURE OF WHAT THAT PROJECT WOULD COST? WE CAN PUT IT FORWARD TO THE BUDGET AND SEE. BUT THINGS ARE THINGS ARE TIGHT.
SO I THINK WE'RE PROBABLY IF WE COULD GET THIS, WE'D BE IN GOOD SHAPE.
HOW MANY MARKERS HAVE WE THAT ARE ACTUALLY ON ORDER NOW? AND WE'RE JUST WAITING FOR THEM TO BE FINISHED UP AND DELIVERED.
BECAUSE SOME OF THESE MARKERS WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT FOR THE PAST GOING ON 12 YEARS AND WELL, NOT THAT LONG. BUT ANYWAY, IT JUST SEEMS LIKE WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT A COUPLE OF THEM FOR A LONG TIME.
AND WHEN ARE WE GOING TO PUSH THE OKAY, LET'S GO BUTTON AND GET GET THE MARKERS ROLLING.
WE ONLY HAVE TWO. THAT'S REALLY SO THERE ARE TWO THAT ARE WAITING ON THE STATE RIGHT NOW.
AND WE HAVE A THIRD ONE THAT'S READY TO GO TO THE STATE BASICALLY.
THIS COULD BE A TIME THAT MAYBE YOU WANT TO THINK ABOUT ALTERNATIVES TO DOING STATE MARKERS.
THE HIBERNIA PLANTATION WITH THE POOL DID A VERY NICE MARKER.
THEY USED A SEPARATE PRIVATE COMPANY SEPARATE FROM WHAT THE STATE USES.
I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A STIGMA WITH GOING WITH A MARKER.
THAT IS NOT A STATE MARKER. BUT I CAN COME BACK TO YOU NEXT MONTH WITH SOME INFORMATION ON THE COST OF MARKERS THROUGH ANOTHER PROVIDER AND SEE WHAT YOU WANT TO DO.
IF WE'RE AT THE STATE'S MERCY, WE CAN'T MOVE FORWARD WITH MARKERS THAT, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE IN LINE WITH 50, THAT'S GOING TO BE A WHILE. OKAY. RECENTLY, IT APPEARED FROM FROM WHAT BILLY HAD TOLD US THAT THERE IS MORE TEXT AVAILABLE, POTENTIALLY FOR COUNTY MARKERS THAN HAD FORMERLY BEEN THE CASE.
I BELIEVE HE WAS TALKING ABOUT MORE OF AN ALUMINUM TYPE.
YES. NOT SO MUCH ALUMINUM, BUT MORE OF A STREET SIGN.
BUT NOT. YES. THAT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN WHAT HIBERNIA DID.
IF IT'S A MATTER OF TRYING TO GET OUR FUNDS TO GO FARTHER.
WOULD WOULD THE COUNTY CREATING THESE LESS EXPENSIVE MARKERS? IF THEY FIT, YOU KNOW, OUR OTHER PURPOSES, WOULD THAT COME OUT OF THE OPERATING BUDGET OF THIS BOARD, OR WOULD THE COUNTY JUST TAKE CARE OF THAT? NO, I WOULD THINK IT WOULD PROBABLY COME OUT OF THIS BUDGET BECAUSE IT'S YOU'RE DOING SOMETHING TO COMMEMORATE HISTORIC SITES. YOU'RE JUST CHOOSING TO DO A DIFFERENT SIGN VERSUS THE STATE MARKER.
YEAH. SO THAT'S SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT. YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE THE, YOU KNOW, THE COMPARATIVE COSTS OR WHETHER A COMPRESSED TEXT WOULD WORK FOR CERTAIN OF THESE THINGS. AND I ASSUME YOU WERE REFERRING TO THE HALSEY PLANTATION SIGN.
YES. SOMETHING SIMILAR TO THAT. NO, IT WAS MORE, MORE OR LESS LIKE WHAT YOU DID FOR THE MIDDLEBURG COLORED SCHOOL, THAT MOCK UP. THAT MOCK UP I SENT YOU. WHEN YOU HAD TALKED ABOUT HAVING SOMETHING OUT THERE FOR THE CELEBRATION LAST MONTH.
I, I THOUGHT YOU WERE WANTING SOMETHING A LITTLE MORE SUBSTANTIAL THAN WHAT YOU WENT WITH,
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BUT NO, I WAS REALLY JUST TRYING FOR THE DAY TO HAVE SOMETHING TO DEMONSTRATE.I COULD I COULD MAKE THAT SIGN THAT I SHOWED YOU, WHICH IS BASICALLY HER TEXT ON THE SIGN THAT WOULD BE ON THE THREE BY THREE BY FOUR SIGN. I CAN MAKE IT FOR PROBABLY FOR $5.
AND I MEAN, IT WOULD STAY UP TILL, YOU KNOW, WE GOT THE MARKER FROM THE STATE.
IT WOULD BE A PLACEHOLDER, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING.
I MEAN, THAT WAS MY THINKING WHEN YOU FIRST ASKED ME ABOUT THAT.
BUT AGAIN, FOR SOME OF THE STUFF THAT WE DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE DOCUMENTATION OR THAT MAYBE DOESN'T RISE TO A STATE LEVEL, BUT IS IMPORTANT TO THE COUNTY. IF WE COULDN'T DO WHAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT WITH THE ONE LIKE THE POOL MARKER, THEN YOU KNOW, I THE COUNTY SIGN SHOP CAN MAKE A NICE LOOKING SIGN THAT GETS THE INFORMATION OUT THERE FOR A FRACTION OF THE COST. SO IT'S JUST SOMETHING I, YOU KNOW, I'M JUST PUTTING THAT OUT THERE.
IT'S SOMETHING Y'ALL CAN THINK ABOUT. I MEAN, LIKE, WITH, YOU KNOW THE MIDDLEBURG MUSEUM. I THOUGHT ABOUT MAYBE SUGGESTING THAT ONE FOR A COUNTY SIGN OR COUNTY MARKER BECAUSE WE WERE HAVING ISSUES WITH THE DOCUMENTATION ON THE FEDERAL FUNDING.
WELL, YES. AND SO AND I'M NOT SURE HOW STRICT THE THE STATE BOARD IS ON SOME OF THEIR STUFF AS FAR AS HAVING, YOU KNOW, ALL THE HISTORICAL DOCUMENTS. I MEAN, WE'RE WE'RE SATISFIED THAT AS LONG AS WE SAY FEDERAL FUNDING, WE'RE HISTORICALLY CORRECT ON IT. BUT YES, YOU KNOW, THEY MAY WANT US TO PIN DOWN WHAT FEDERAL GRANT IT CAME FROM, YOU KNOW. SO, I MEAN, AGAIN, IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN LOOK AT.
I CAN WORK UP SOME COSTS AND HAVE IT READY FOR THE NEXT MEETING.
AND I'LL EVEN MAKE UP A COUPLE MOCK UPS TO BRING FOR Y'ALL TO CHECK OUT.
I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY SOMETHING WE SHOULD REALLY GIVE CONSIDERATION TO, BECAUSE THE WHOLE OBJECTIVE BEHIND THE MARKER IS TO LET PEOPLE KNOW AT THIS SITE IS WHERE THIS TOOK PLACE, OR WHERE THIS ONCE STOOD, OR SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE.
AND, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE IF WE'RE GOING TO PAY $6,000 MORE FOR SOMETHING REALLY FANCY, I MEAN, IF IT'S SOMETHING WORTHY OF THAT, THAT MUCH ATTENTION, THEN SURE.
BUT IF YOU'RE JUST SAYING AT THIS SITE OR THIS IS WHERE WE HAVE A CEMETERY OF NOTABLE CHARACTERS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE, I THINK WE SHOULD CONSIDER USING THE COUNTY'S SIGN A LOT MORE, BECAUSE WE'D SAVE A LOT OF MONEY AND BE ABLE TO SHOW A LOT MORE PEOPLE IN CLAY COUNTY.
WHAT ONCE WENT ON HERE, YOU KNOW. SO THAT'S JUST MY OPINION.
I'D BE INTERESTED IN IN FOR THAT FOR THE SAKE OF LIKE, MOMENTUM AND GETTING WHAT OUR OBJECTIVE IS, WHICH IS THE INFORMATION OUT. AND ALSO THOSE SIGNS, THE HIBERNIA ONE LOOK GREAT.
IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S A LOGJAM ON A LOT OF THIS STUFF, AND WE MIGHT HAVE TO PIVOT IF WE WANT TO MOVE FORWARD AND NOT NECESSARILY BE IN OUR HEADS UP AGAINST SOMETHING THAT WE KNOW IS KIND OF STAGNANT RIGHT NOW.
IN MY OPINION. AND THAT WAY WE COULD GIVE WE COULD DONATE SOME OF THOSE SAVED FUNDINGS TO YOUR, YOUR YEARLY BONUS AND SO, OKAY.
BUT ANYWAY, THAT'S THAT'S HUMOR. I DIDN'T MEAN THAT AT ALL, BUT I THINK WE OUGHT TO REALLY CONSIDER SOME OF THESE PLACES THAT JUST ONE OF THE COUNTY SIGNS WOULD LOOK GREAT, THAT IT'S LETTING PEOPLE KNOW WHAT WENT ON THERE.
AND THAT'S THE WHOLE IDEA BEHIND THE SIGN. EXACTLY.
THAT'S YOUR MISSION TO COMMEMORATE HISTORIC SITES.
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THANK YOU. BETH. WHAT WERE YOU WORKING ON? A COUNTY MARKER PROGRAM TO CONTINUE.THE ONE THAT WAS KIND OF DROPPED. SO WE HAD BEEN TALKING WITH KIMBERLY MORGAN WITH TOURISM.
AND KIMBERLY HAS LEFT THE COUNTY, SO THINGS ARE A LITTLE BIT UP IN THE AIR.
SO WHAT? KIMBERLY HAS LEFT THE COUNTY. SHE'S WORKING ELSEWHERE.
SO. WELL, WHAT'S SHE DOING NOW? WE DON'T KNOW.
SHE HAS ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY. I THINK SHE'S WITH PUTNAM COUNTY NOW.
WELL. I HAVE ONE MORE COMMENT. BILLY SAID SOMETHING TO ME AFTER THE VOTE LAST MONTH ABOUT THE TEXT. HE SAID, ARE YOU SATISFIED WITH THE TEXT? AND I THINK THAT WAS ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT THINGS THAT COULD BE ASKED.
THAT RATHER THAN REVIEWING EARLY DRAFTS OF TEXTS, I'D LIKE TO SEE THE FINISHED TEXT ALONG WITH SOME DOCUMENTATION SO THAT WE KNOW IT'S A COMPLETE PROJECT.
THEY. TO ME AS A PROFESSIONAL WRITER, I FOUND IT EXTREMELY CHALLENGING TO COMPLY WITH THE REQUIREMENTS AND TO ALSO TELL A STORY. BUT I THINK THAT IS THE GOAL OF THESE MARKERS, WHETHER THEY'RE STATE OR FEDERAL OR LOCAL, IS TO TELL THE STORY IN AN ENTERTAINING WAY AND IN A FACTUAL WAY.
YES. SO, YOU KNOW, YOU WERE THE DE FACTO EXPERT ON THIS.
I MEAN, IT NEVER HURTS TO HAVE AN EXTRA SET OF EYES ON THERE.
SO WE DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE LIKE AT THAT ONE MARKER UP THERE IN HIBERNIA WHERE THEY HAD TO GO IN AND TRY TO CORRECT TEXT ON THE ALUMINUM. BUT YOU KNOW, OVERALL, YOU WERE THE EXPERT ON IT.
WE TRUSTED, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WERE HAPPY WITH THE STORY THAT WAS TOLD, THEN I WAS I WAS OKAY WITH IT.
I MEAN, JUST LIKE WITH JERRY AND YOU KNOW, THE 4 TO 11, HE'S DONE MORE RESEARCH INTO IT THAN.
I MEAN, I STARTED LOOKING INTO IT, AND I WROTE UP THE FIRST DRAFT AND THEN TURNED IT OVER TO HIM TO FACT CHECK AND, YOU KNOW, POLISH UP, AND HE'S KNOCKED IT OUT OF THE PARK.
SO, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, KEVIN HOOPER ALSO HAD A BIG HAND IN IT, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE WENT UP TO DC.
BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THE STUFF IS. YEAH. SO I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT'S THE ONLY WAY WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO MOVE THIS STUFF FORWARD IS TO DO SUBCOMMITTEES AND EACH, YOU KNOW, IF SOMEBODY TAKES ON A MARKER, THEY, YOU KNOW, FOLLOW THROUGH WITH EVERYTHING.
I DON'T KNOW THAT IT WOULD NECESSARILY TAKE ANY LONGER IF WE LOOKED AT FINISHED TEXTS AS OPPOSED TO WORKS IN PROGRESS, THEY MIGHT BE MORE FOCUSED AND ACTUALLY BRIEFER AND AND TAKE LESS TIME.
AND AS FAR AS TRUST GO, WE ALL TRUST OUR FRIENDS AND ACQUAINTANCES IN A, YOU KNOW, RESPECTFUL WAY.
OKAY. THAT'S IT. OKAY, RANDY. I'M GOOD. I THINK WE'VE TALKED ABOUT JUST ABOUT EVERYTHING. ALL RIGHT.
A COUPLE OF THINGS. WHAT IS THE SOURCE IS THE THESE TRAINING MODULES THAT WE'VE BEEN OFFERED,
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YOU KNOW, IN THE RECENT MONTHS. ARE THEY FUNDED OUT OF THIS BUDGET OR A GENERAL BUDGET THAT WE JUST ARE ATTACHED TO? SO IT'S FUNDED OUT OF THE NAPC MEMBERSHIP THAT WE TALKED ABOUT YOU GETTING.YOU ARE ALL MEMBERS OF IT AS A BOARD. THE LIVE PRESENTATIONS OF THOSE COST ADDITIONAL MONEY.
IF YOU WANTED TO, INTO. YOU COULD COME TO THE COUNTY BUILDING AND I COULD SET YOU UP IN A CONFERENCE ROOM, AND WE CAN RUN IT THAT WAY. OR IF YOU WAIT JUST A COUPLE OF DAYS, IT SHOULD BE POSTED ON THEIR WEBSITE, AND YOU CAN SEE IT THERE AND YOU CAN WATCH IT IN THE COMFORT OF YOUR HOME.
AND I WILL TELL YOU, IT'S GOING UP TO 200. SO THAT'S ALSO SOMETHING $200 IS COMING OUT OF THIS OPERATION, BECAUSE THIS BOARD EXPRESSED AN INTEREST IN HAVING TRAINING AND EDUCATION MATERIALS, AND THAT WAS ONE SOURCE THAT I COULD FIND.
THE LAST, THE LAST ONE THAT I DID TUNE INTO WAS FRIGHTENING.
IT WAS LIKE TRYING TO DRINK FROM A FIRE HYDRANT.
YOU KNOW, IT'S ALL RAPID FIRE INFORMATION AND SO FORTH.
SO I'LL HAVE TO TUNE IN FOR MORE OF THEM. SO WERE YOU TRYING TO LOG INTO THE CERTIFIED LOCAL GOVERNMENT TRAINING THAT I SENT YOU AN EMAIL FOR? BECAUSE I KNOW SEAN DID DID ATTEND IT. THAT WAS THE ONE THAT I BELIEVE YOU SAID YOU COULDN'T GET IN.
WELL, YOU TRIED TO GET IN. I COULDN'T FIND A WAY TO GET IN.
WAS THAT THE TAX ONE? HISTORICAL PRESERVATION FUNDING, BASICALLY.
ALTHOUGH IT TURNED OUT THAT MOST OF THE FUNDING THAT WAS OF ANY SUBSTANCE WAS FAVORING HISTORIC COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS, IT SEEMED TO ME. BUT ANYWAY, WE'RE STILL IN A REMARKABLE HOW, HOW ELABORATED SOME OF THESE RULES ARE AND WHAT THE REQUIREMENTS ARE. SO YES, I FORGOT THAT I ALSO SENT OUT THE CLG THINGS, BUT YOU SHOULD HAVE THOSE TRAININGS.
I THINK THERE'S ANOTHER ONE COMING IN APRIL. I'LL SEND IT OUT TO YOU AS WELL THAT YOU'RE WELCOME TO ATTEND, BUT IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN SHARE OUTSIDE OF THIS BOARD.
AND THEY THEY CLAIM THEY'LL KICK YOU OFF IF YOU SHARE IT OUTSIDE OF YOUR BOARD MEMBERSHIP.
SO PERMANENTLY ANNOYED AT ALL THESE STUPID BARRIERS THAT WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH.
BUT I FOUND THAT VERY EASY TO LOG IN TO THE PRESENTATIONS ONCE THEY'RE NO LONGER LIVE, AND REALLY GOOD INFORMATION, AND WITH MULTIPLE PRESENTERS.
SO YOU GOT DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES ON HISTORIC PRESERVATION.
GOOD. OKAY. SO THERE ARE A COUPLE OTHER THINGS I MIGHT MENTION.
THE ANOTHER POTENTIAL CANDIDATE, MAYBE FOR A COUNTY TYPE SIGN WOULD BE THE JUDGE RIVERS HOUSE, WHICH IS AN 1880 STRUCTURE, THE LAST VICTORIAN STRUCTURE ON SPRING PARK.
ALTHOUGH, OF COURSE, I GUESS WE'D HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE CITY. I'M SURE THEY'D BE FINE WITH THAT, BUT IT'S IT'S FINALLY BEEN FIXED UP EXTERIORLY ANYWAY, BY WORKERS HIRED BY THE CITY.
AND SO IT IT'LL IT'LL BE A PRESENTABLE THING TO SEE FROM THE STREET AND MAYBE, MAYBE A SHORTER SIGN WOULD BE A GOOD THING OR SOMETHING WE CAN AT LEAST THINK ABOUT.
BUT ANOTHER RECENT PROSPECT IS SOME OF YOU MAY REMEMBER THAT SEVERAL YEARS AGO WHEN THE SITE OF.
FORT SAN FRANCISCO DE PUPO WENT ON THE MARKET ON BAYARD POINT.
WE WERE HOPING THAT OUR, OUR STATE REPRESENTATIVES WOULD STEP IN AND MAKE IT HAPPEN.
THE PURCHASE OF THE. BUT IT DIDN'T HAPPEN. IT DIDN'T GO OVER, EVEN THOUGH THE PEOPLE WERE WILLING TO SELL IT UNDER ANY REASONABLE PROPOSITION. SO IT WENT INTO PRIVATE HANDS. BUT IN THE LAST SEVERAL MONTHS, I'VE BEEN AT A ANOTHER ORGANIZATION WHERE ANOTHER MEMBER OF THAT GROUP IS THE PRESENT OWNER, AND HE SEEMED TO BE WELL DISPOSED TO FINDING OUT EVERYTHING THAT COULD BE DONE AND MAYBE EVEN COOPERATING ON HAVING THAT PLACE TAKEN UNDER THE CARE OF EITHER THE COUNTY OR THE OR THE STATE OR WHATEVER, WHICH WAS MY ULTIMATE
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IDEA TO HAVE IT DONE, BECAUSE THEN YOU'D HAVE A PERMANENT PRESENCE.AND MEANWHILE, THE ARCHEOLOGY GROUP THAT'S VERY, VERY WELL VERY ACTIVE IN THE STATE IS THE GULF.
GULF ARCHEOLOGY. BUT THEY THEY GO ALL OVER THE PLACE WHEN THEY HAVE AN ASSIGNMENT.
AND THE LEADERS OF THAT GROUP TOLD ME THAT THEY THEY'D BE INTERESTED IN COMING OVER AND ACTUALLY DOING MORE OF A SURVEY THAN THERE WAS A BRIEF ONE MADE BY THE COUNTY, YOU KNOW, BUT A VERY PRELIMINARY THING AND VERY LIMITED.
BUT THEY SAID IF THEY HAD PERMISSION, THEY COULD GO AROUND AND DO A MORE THOROUGH SURVEY, BECAUSE IT'S PRETTY CLEAR TO ME FROM THE HISTORY OF THE DESTRUCTION OF THAT FORT IN 1742, THAT OGLETHORPE'S TROOPS AND INDIAN ALLIES WERE CAMPED ALL AROUND IT, YOU KNOW, TO INTIMIDATE IT INTO SURRENDERING.
AND SO THERE ARE ALL KINDS OF THINGS THAT COULD PROBABLY BE FOUND OUT.
SO, ANYHOW WATCH THIS SPACE. MAYBE MAYBE WE COULD BRING IT BACK TO LIFE AND GET SOMETHING DONE WITH IT AFTER ALL. ALL RIGHT. I'LL CIRCLE BACK REAL QUICK ABOUT THIS. THIS BUDGET MATTER. I KIND OF WANT TO SO THE SIGNS ARE COMMITTED IN TO A PORTION OF THE BUDGET.
AND IF WE WERE ABLE TO FIND A DIFFERENT SIGN COMPANY, ARE THEY ARE WE NOT ABLE TO GO WITH THEM, OR ARE WE ACTUALLY ABLE TO USE THAT FUNDS THAT HAS BEEN APPROPRIATED FOR THE SIGNAGE COMPANY, OR ARE THEY COMMITTED TO THE STATE? THE TWO THAT HAVE BEEN SUBMITTED TO THE STATE.
I THINK WE WOULD PROBABLY HAVE TO WITHDRAW THEM IF YOU WANTED TO GO ANOTHER ROUTE.
AND I DOUBT THAT WOULD BE A MAJOR ISSUE WITH THE STATE.
BUT YOU AS A BOARD WOULD NEED TO COMMIT TO AN ALTERNATIVE SIGN.
SO RIGHT NOW WE JUST NEED MORE INFORMATION ON WHO THOSE WHO THOSE COMPANIES ARE.
HE SAID HE WAS MAYBE EXAMPLES BILLY, NEXT WEEK OR NEXT MONTH.
AND THEN ALSO WE COULD FIND MORE INFORMATION FROM THE PRIVATE HIBERNIA ONE IF THAT WAS AN EXAMPLE.
OKAY. BUT THOSE THEN MARKERS WOULD NOT BE FLORIDA STATE HISTORICAL MARKERS.
IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. THEY WOULD BE PROVIDED BY CLAY COUNTY.
YEAH. I WOULD SUGGEST IF YOU WERE TO GO THAT ROUTE AND START DOING SIGNS THAT ARE NOT BEING SUBMITTED TO THE STATE, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT AS PART OF THE THE PROCESS THAT YOU STILL UPDATE THE MASTER SITE FILE.
I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT THAT YOU DO THAT AS WELL AS THE SIGN.
SO IF IF IT WERE JUST ON THE MASTER SITE FILE, WOULD IT STILL BE PICKED UP BY THE STATE AS A POINT OF HISTORICAL INTEREST THAT THE GENERAL PUBLIC WOULD BE AWARE OF? I THINK THAT WOULD FALL TO YOUR TOURISM, TO YOUR LOCAL HISTORIC COMMISSIONS THAT ARE INTERESTED IN PROMOTING IT.
I DON'T KNOW THAT THE STATE I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY PROMOTE.
I WOULD THINK THEY WOULD ONLY PROMOTE THEIR STATE MARKERS.
BUT OTHER ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE HISTORIC MINDED WOULD PROBABLY.
I MEAN, YOU SEE IT ALL OVER FACEBOOK AND THE INTERNET.
YOU'VE GOT FIND A GRAVE AND ALL THIS INFORMATION IS OUT THERE.
SO I JUST HAD A QUESTION ABOUT WHETHER THERE WAS A STIGMA OF GOING WITH SOMETHING THAT'S NOT A STATE HISTORIC MARKER VERSUS, AND APPARENTLY IT'S DONE. SO BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT AUTOMATIC NATIONWIDE PUBLICITY IF YOU GO WITH A STATE MARKER, BECAUSE THE STATE KEEPS TRACK OF UPDATING THIS STUFF.
THE OTHER ISSUE IS MAINTENANCE. THE STATE MAINTAINS THOSE MARKERS.
IF YOU GO WITH SOMETHING ELSE THAT CHANGES THAT REQUIREMENT, SOMEBODY WOULD HAVE TO BE RESPONSIBLE.
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ALL RIGHT. IF THERE'S NOTHING ELSE, THEN WE STAND ADJOURNED.* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.