Feb 04, 2025 Planning Commission

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COVERS, PLEASE. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION, UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

>> MY NAME IS MARY BRIDGMAN, I'M HEAD OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION. MINUTES FOR TONIGHT'S MEETING WILL BE TAKEN BY CHRISTINE BLANCHET , WHO IS OUR RECORDING SECRETARY, AND SHE IS FROM THE CLERK OF COURTS OFFICE. AND WE THANK YOU FOR THAT. OTHER STAFF PRESENT INCLUDE -- LET'S SEE. I WAS ZONING CHIEF, AND COURTNEY GRIMM , OUR COUNTY ATTORNEY . AND I BELIEVE THAT IS THAT FOR OUR COUNTY STAFF. WE ALSO WANT TO THINK THE DEPUTY AND LEONARD FOR PROVIDING SECURITY FOR TONIGHT'S MEETING. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE I NEED TO INTRODUCE AT THIS TIME? IF NOT, I WOULD LIKE TO INTRODUCE MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS . TO MY RIGHT IS OUR VICE CHAIR, PETE DAVIS. TO HIS RIGHT IS COMMISSIONER HOWARD NORTON , AND TO HIS RIGHT IS COMMISSIONER RALPH PUCKHABER. WE HAVE A NUMBER OF ABSENCES ON THE LEFT, BUT PAUL, WHO IS THE REPRESENTATIVE , AND WE THANK HIM FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT. THE CLAY COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION IS A CITIZEN ADVISORY BOARD TO THE CLAY COUNTY BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS. MOST OF THE DECISIONS THAT WE MAKE OUR RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE BOARD , OR THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS, OR BCC. THE BCC WILL HAVE THEIR FINAL SAY ON THESE MATTERS AT THEIR MEETING ON FEBRUARY 25TH, WHICH IS THE THIRD TUESDAY OF THIS MONTH, THREE WEEKS FROM TONIGHT. LET'S SEE. THAT WOULD BE TWO WEEKS FROM TONIGHT -- THREE WEEKS FROM TONIGHT. THE ZONING PORTION OF THE BCC MEETING IS HELD DURING THE REGULAR BCC MEETING, WHICH STARTS AT 4:00 P.M.. ZONING AND LAND-USE STARTS AT 5:30 P.M.

STANDARD TIME, SO PLEASE CHECK THE AGENDA FOR THESE ITEMS. IF THERE IS AN ITEM FOR TONIGHT'S AGENDA YOU WISH TO SPEAK ABOUT, PLEASE FILL OUT ONE OF THE COMMENT CARDS, WHICH YOU CAN FIND ON THE TABLE IN THE VESTIBULE AND GIVE IT TO MR. BLANCHET . AT THIS TIME, WE ASK THAT YOU CELL PHONES ON

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ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE . ANY OPPOSED, SAME SIGN. MOTION CARRIES. THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS A PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD. AT THIS TIME, ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC MAY COMMENT ON ITEMS NOT INCLUDED ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA PERTINENT TO THE BUSINESS OF THE COMMISSION. I DO NOT HAVE AT THIS TIME ANY COMMENT CARDS FROM THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD. BUT WE WILL GO AHEAD AND OPEN IT ANYWAY. IS THERE ANYONE THAT WANTS TO'S WEEK DURING THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD? SEEING NO ONE ELSE, I WILL CLOSE THE FIRST PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD. WELL, I WILL BRIEFLY RUN THROUGH -- I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE AND EMPHASIZED THAT CITIZEN PARTICIPATION IS THE BACKBONE OF OUR DEMOCRATIC FORM OF GOVERNMENT. YOUR PRESENCE HERE IS IMPORTANT AND IT IS APPRECIATED. ALL OF THE PLANNING COMMISSIONERS ARE VOLUNTEERS OR RESIDENTS OF CLAY COUNTY APPOINTED BY THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS. WE SERVE TWO YEAR TERMS AND HAVE TO REAPPLY IF WE WANT TO CONTINUE TO SERVE. OUR DUTIES ARE OUTLINED IN THE FLORIDA STATUTE. WE HEAR APPLICATIONS FOR APPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENTS AND ALSO CHANGES IN ZONING DESIGNATIONS AS WE ARE TONIGHT. AS I SAID EARLIER, THE COMMISSION'S DECISIONS ARE ADVISORY TO THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS . SO THE PROCEDURE

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AT THAT TIME, THE COMMISSIONERS WILL DISCUSS THE MATTER, AND IF NECESSARY, RENDER A DECISION. AGAIN, I THINK YOU AND COMMEND YOU FOR PARTICIPATING IN THIS PROCESS. AT THIS TIME, WE WILL ASK MR. BLANCHET TO SWEAR ANYONE IN WHO WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OR OPPOSITION TO ONE OF THE APPLICATIONS.

>> YOU WILL SOLEMNLY SWEAR OR AFFIRM THE TESTIMONY YOU ARE ABOUT TO GIVE IS THE TRUE? THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

[1.  Public Hearing to consider ZON 24-0037. (District 5, Comm. Burke) (J. Bryla)]

>> THANK YOU. PUBLIC HEARING NUMBER ONE ON THE AGENDA IS A PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER ZON 24-0037 , PRESENTED BY ZONING

CHIEF JENNY BRYLA. >> HERE TO PRESENT APPLICATION ZON 24-0037 . EXCUSE ME. THIS REQUEST IS FOR A CHANGE OF ZONING FROM INDUSTRIAL SELECT TO HEAVY INDUSTRIAL.

THE PARCEL IS APPROXIMATELY 304 ACRES . SO THE GRAPHIC ON THE LEFT IS SHOWING THE AREA OF THE PROPERTY, AND YOU CAN SEE THE EXISTING INDUSTRIAL PLANTS TO THE SOUTH OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AND TO THE EAST. THE GRAPHIC ON THE RIGHT IS SHOWING THE LARGE PARCELS THAT SURROUND THE PROPERTY, AND THIS IS WHAT WE NOTIFY FOR OUR ZONING NOTIFICATION. THE EXISTING ZONING OF IAS OR INDUSTRIAL SELECT OF THE PARCELS AS SHOWN IN THE GRAPHIC ON THE LEFT, AND THE PROPOSED I.D.S ON THE GRAPHIC ON THE RIGHT. EVEN THOUGH THE COLORS ARE ALMOST IDENTICAL, THERE IS A DIFFERENCE. I ASKED ZONING USES ARE GENERALLY PREFERRED FOR PROPERTIES THAT ARE SURROUNDED BY RESIDENTIAL USES. I.D. OFFERS VERY SIMILAR USES, BUT ALSO OFFERS HELIPORT'S, STORAGE, AND OTHER USES REQUIRING DISTRIBUTION AND THE LIKE. SO IT IS A HEAVIER INDUSTRIAL USE, BUT THE USES ARE VESTED WITHIN THE I.D., AND ALL OF THE USES OF I.S. ARE VESTED IN I.D. AS WELL. SO AS MENTIONED PREVIOUSLY, THE INDUSTRIAL LAND USE WILL NOT CHANGE, SO WE WILL RETAIN ITS IND LAND-USE DESIGNATION. AND THEN THIS OUTLINES A LITTLE BIT MORE OF WHAT I.S. ALLOWS VERSUS WHAT I.B. ALLOWS .

SO THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A ZONING CHANGE FROM I.S. TO I.B.

, AND STAFF HAS FOUND THAT THE CRITERIA IN THE I.B. -- THAT IS A TYPO. IN THE I.B. ZONING DISTRICT ARE MET, AND THE APPLICATION IS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THEREFORE STAFF DOES RECOMMEND APPROVAL FOR 24-0037.

>> ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MS. BRYLA AT THIS TIME? MR.

MILLER. >> GOOD AFTERNOON, MY NAME IS

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>> ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. MILLER AT THIS TIME?

>> I HAVE ONE QUICK ONE. ON THE WESTSIDE, MR. MILLER, WE HAVE AN AERIAL OF THAT WE CAN LOOK AT? ON 15-A? IT IS HARD TO SEE, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE THERE IS AN OPEN AREA, AND PERHAPS SOME RESIDENTIAL JUST TO THE WEST. RIGHT THERE , ON CHASE ROAD

THERE. >> THERE IS A CHURCH ALONG THERE, I THINK, AND THERE'S JUST A LARGE LOT RURAL .

>> OKAY. THANK YOU. >> AND OF COURSE, THE I.B.

ZONING REQUIRES MORE BUFFERS. >> I GUESS MY QUESTION IS THE BUFFER AND WHAT TYPE FOR A PROPERTY LIKE THAT.

>> I'M SORRY, I HAVEN'T COMMITTED THE LANDSCAPE CODE TO MEMORY, BUT I THINK IT IS 25 FEET.

THAT'S CLOSE. >> OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER

PUCKHABER . >> THIS MIGHT BE MORE HYPOTHETICAL AT THIS POINT, BUT WHAT WOULD BE -- YOU KNOW, I TELL YOU, I HAVE A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT THIS SINCE YOU MENTIONED THAT THERE IS SOME WORK GOING ON COUNTY ROAD 15-A, WHICH I AM NOT FAMILIAR WITH. BUT MAYBE ANY OF THE STAFF CAN SHED SOME LIGHT ON THAT. I THINK THAT WAS AGAINST THAT ASPHALT PLANE, TOO. BECAUSE ALL THAT TRAFFIC COMES OUT ON THE SMALL ROAD, COUNTY ROAD 15. AND IT EITHER GOES NORTH UP THE 16, OR GO SOUTH ALL THE WAY DOWN TO 17, U.S. 17. ARE YOU LOOKING -- OR IS YOUR CLIENT LOOKING TO USE JERSEY AVENUE AS THE EXIT FOR

THIS PROPERTY? >> YES.

>> ALL THE TRAFFIC WOULD COME UP THAT ROAD.

>> CORRECT. AND LET ME SAY, AT THIS POINT, IT IS PRELIMINARY AND THERE IS NO -- THERE IS A PRETTY LONG BOUNDARY ALONG 15-A, SO THERE MAY BE SOME ACCESS DIRECTLY OFF OF 15-A. GENERAL

ANTICIPATION IS OFF OF JERSEY. >> MR. MILLER, I HAVE A

QUESTION, SIR. >> WHAT IS THE INTENDED USE OF

THE PROPERTY? >> WELL, I THINK W CAN -- WE HAVE A RECYCLING FACILITY FOR SOLAR PANELS IN THE WORKS. IT IS

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>> THANK YOU.

>> THE PROPOSED RECYCLING OF THE SOLAR PANELS IS AN ENCLOSED

FACILITY. >> ARE THERE OTHER QUESTIONS FOR

MR. MILLER AT THIS TIME? >> I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IF ANYBODY -- I KNOW WE DON'T HAVE ANY STAFF PEOPLE HERE. WHAT KIND OF WIDENING ARE WE TALKING ABOUT ON 15-A? I SEE CHARISSE IS HIDING BACK THERE. SHE MIGHT KNOW.

>> OUR ASSISTANT COUNTY MANAGER MIGHT BE ABLE TO SPEAK TO THAT.

LOOKS LIKE SHE IS, AND WE WELCOME HER TO THE BCC.

>> ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT A SPECIFIC PART OF 15-A?

>> MR. MILLER MENTIONED THAT ÚT LOT OF TRAFFIC ON 15-A. AND THAT IS -- NOT THE WHITEST ROAD. AND THERE ARE HOUSES ALONG IT. SO ANY MENTION OF SOME WIDENING , I WANT TO KNOW IF YOU KNEW ANY

MORE ABOUT THAT. >> A COUPLE OF THINGS. THIS IS AN INTERESTING AREA WHERE THERE IS A GOOD BIT OF INDUSTRIAL ALREADY JUST SOUTH OF THIS PARCEL . SOME OF OUR INDUSTRIAL WORKS, WHERE THERE'S CONCRETE PLANTS AND ALL KINDS OF STUFF.

IS A GOOD NUMBER OF INDUSTRIAL COMPANIES ALREADY ON THIS ROAD.

THE NORTHERN PIECE, THE VERY LIGHT PINK PIECE, IS A HOUSING DEVELOPMENT THAT IS COMING IN. THEY ARE HAVING TO DO SOME ROAD WIDENING BECAUSE OF THAT. SO THERE WILL BE SOME ROAD WIDENING TO THE NORTH OF THIS PARCEL AT THIS TIME. 15-A IS A ROAD THAT IS ON OUR ENGINEERING ROAD LIST TO GET IMPROVED HERE IN THE NEXT -- I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY YEARS. WE WILL SEE WHAT THE BUDGET SHOWS, BUT IT IS ONE OF THE ROADS ON OUR RADAR AS IN MEETING SOME WIDENING, THAT KIND OF THING. ALSO, WHEN THESE GUYS WILL GO TO PUT IN SOMETHING THERE, IT WOULD HAVE TO DO SOME IMPROVEMENTS AT THE INTERSECTION AS WELL. SO THE SIMPLE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION, YES. THERE IS SOME ROAD WIDENING. IT'S NOT THE ENTIRE ROAD AT THIS TIME. BUT I KNOW AS A COUNTY THAT THAT'S A ROAD WE PLAN TO DO SOME WORK ON IN THE NEXT FEW YEARS. THERE IS A DECENT NUMBER OF CARS ON THIS ROAD. WE HAVE DONE SOME TRAFFIC COUNTS AND STUFF, IT IS JUST NOT CRAZY. AND IT IS ACTUALLY WITH OUR ROAD PAVING MANAGEMENT SYSTEM THAT WE DID A FEW YEARS BACK. IT'S GOT A DECENT SCORE . IT DOESN'T HAVE A GREAT SCORE, BUT IT DOES NOT HAVE A POOR SCORE. SO THAT

WAS PROBABLY CLEAR AS MUD. >> A LITTLE BIT. AND I HAPPEN TO HAVE RUN OUT TO THE FAIRGROUNDS THIS MORNING, AND I NOTICE QUITE A FEW HEAVY TRUCKS COMING OUT ON THE STATE ROADS ECKSTEIN ON THE NORTH END OF THAT. UP TO THE FIRE STATION THAT IS THERE.

>> THERE IS -- JUST SOUTH OF THEM CURRENTLY IS AN INDUSTRIAL PARK THAT IS -- I MEAN, THERE IS AT LEAST TWO CONCRETE PLANTS IN THEIR , SO THERE IS ALREADY INDUSTRIAL TRAFFIC ON THAT PART.

ALL OF IT IS INDUSTRIAL, SO -- >> IS THAT AREA, THE PINK THAT IS JUST NORTH OF THAT, IS IT GOING TO BE HOUSING DEVELOPMENT? IS THAT THE AREA THAT THEY ANNEXED, SO IT'S ACTUALLY

GREEN? >> CORRECT. AND ACCORDING TO GREEN KOS MAP, THAT IS A MULTI FAMILY, HIGH DENSITY.

>> OKAY, THANK YOU. >> IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE FROM

THE COMMISSION AT THIS TIME? >> I DO HAVE ONE LAST QUESTION, MR. MILLER. I'VE GOT TO ASK IT. I ALREADY KNOW THE ANSWER , BUT -- IT DOES SPECIFY AIRSTRIPS, HELIPAD'S, AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. IS THERE ANY POSSIBILITIES OF THAT ?

>> THERE IS NO PRESENT INTENTION TO PURSUE THAT. BUT REYNOLDS INDUSTRIAL PARK, WITH THAT CLEAR STRIP OVER THE AIR IS -- IT'S THERE. AND THE IDEA OF ANOTHER AIRSTRIP AIRPORT WOULD BE KIND OF CRAZY. AND JUST LET ME POINT OUT, ON THE TRAFFIC -- THE TRAFFIC FROM THE EXISTING I.S. ZONING WOULD BE SIMILAR TO WHAT

YOU MIGHT GET OUT OF THE I.B. . >> IT IS NOT REALLY RELEVANT TO

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>> ANYTHING ELSE FROM THE COMMISSION AT THIS TIME? THANK YOU, MR. MILLER. AT THIS TIME, WE WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS MATTER. I DO NOT HAVE ANY COMMENT CARDS ON THIS MATTER. IS THERE ANYONE WHO WISHES TO BE HEARD ON THIS MATTER AT THIS TIME? SEEING NO ONE COME FORWARD, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND I WILL BRING THIS BACK TO THE COMMISSION FOR DISCUSSION , MOTION, ACTION. WHAT IS YOUR

PLEASURE? >> I'M GOING TO MOVE THE STAFF REPORT. I WOULD LIKE TO GET IT , BUT I WILL NEED A SECOND FIRST.

>> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

>> I WOULD JUST LIKE TO GET IT IN OUR MINUTES THAT WE HAVE SOME CONCERN OVER ALL OF THIS. WE KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF TRAFFIC ALREADY ON 15-A FOR WHAT IS THERE. THIS IS ADDING A WHOLE LOT MORE, AND WE REALLY NEED SOMETHING WITH THAT ROAD.

BECAUSE I THINK , IF YOU LOOK AT THE MAP , IF I REMEMBER RIGHT, 23 WERE THE FIRST COAST CROSSES 17, THERE'S AN INTERCHANGE BEING BUILT THERE. BUT IT IS STILL ANY TRAFFIC COMING OUT OF HERE HAS GOT TO COME OUT OF 15 AND GO ALL THE WAY DOWN TO 17 AND THEN COME BACK UP TO GET TO 23. IT IS KIND OF -- IT'S GOT TO COME DOWN 15-A U.S. 17 AND GO ALL THE WAY UP TO THE INTERCHANGE. THAT SHOWS THE INTERCHANGE BEING BUILT. IT'S TOO BAD THERE ISN'T A SHORTER DISTANCE TO GET THERE. IT IS RIGHT NEXT TO IT.

>> IS ANY FURTHER COMMENT OR DISCUSSION, OR ARE WE READY TO CALL IT QUESTION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. ANY OPPOSED, SAME SIGN. MOTION CARRIES. THAT CONCLUDES THIS PARTICULAR MATTER. THANK YOU.

[2.  Public Hearing to consider ZON 25-0001. (District 1, Comm. Sgromolo) (J. Bryla)]

JENNY BRYLA . >> EXCUSE ME. THANK YOU. YES, I AM HERE TO PRESENT ZONING 25-0001. WHICH IS A REQUEST TO CHANGE THE ZONING ON 2.73 ACRES FROM AR, AGRICULTURAL RESIDENTIAL , TO RB , SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT. THIS IS AN COMMISSION DISTRICT 1, AND THIS PROJECT DOES NOT LOCATE IN A CAC, SO THIS ONE IS NOT -- THE CAC. SO THE GRAPHIC ON THE LEFT IS THE AERIAL OF THE SURROUNDING AREA, AND YOU CAN SEE THE DENSITY IS PRETTY INTENSE TO THE SOUTH AND TO THE EAST. TO THE NORTH, THERE ARE ESTATE LOTS, AND THIS APPLICATION IS REQUESTING FOR 3/4 ACRE LOTS. SO IT BECOMES A TRANSITION FROM THIS MOLAR LOT TO THE SOUTH AND. TO THE LOTS TO THE NORTH. AND THEN THE PROPERTY -- OR THE GRAPHIC ON THE RIGHT-HAND SIDE SHOWS THE NOTICE TERRITORY THAT WE SEND OUT TO EVERYONE ON THIS APPLICATION. AND SO THIS IS THE PROPOSED EXISTING ZONING ON THE LEFT, AND THE PROPOSED ZONING ON THE RIGHT. SO THE PROPOSED ZONING DOES MATCH THE ZONING OF THE PROPERTIES ACROSS SLEEPY HOLLOW . AND CONSERVE , AS I SHARED, A

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>> THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME FOR THE COMMISSION? IF NOT, MISS FLEET, WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME FORWARD AND PRESENT FOR THE APPLICANT? YEAH.

>> THANK YOU, COMMISSION. AS JENNY SAID, THIS IS -- OH, I'M SORRY. YEAH. JANICE FLEET, FLEET AND ASSOCIATES ARCHITECT PLANNERS, 11157 IN AN ARBOR WAY , JACKSON, FLORIDA. AS MS. BRYLA SAID, THIS PROPERTY PROVIDES A TRANSITION TO THE SURROUNDING , MORE INTENSE DEVELOPMENT WHERE YOU HAVE LOTS THAT ARE BASICALLY LESS THEN 2.7 A. ONE OF THE REASONS, WHEN MY CLIENT ORIGINALLY PURCHASED THE PROPERTY, HE THOUGHT HE COULD THE LOTS THAT ARE SOUTH AND TO THE EAST. BUT AS YOU SEE, THERE'S SOME -- THAT HE WOULD LIKE TO PROTECT. SO THEREFORE, WE ARE ONLY GOING TO BE ABLE TO DEVELOP FOUR LOT UP TO SLEEPY HOLLOW, WHICH IS THE EXISTING PAVED ROADWAY. THAT REALLY WAS THE DETERMINATION . AND THE REASON WE NEED THE RB, WE GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, IN ORDER TO GET THE FOUR LOTS, IT HAS A MINIMUM 60 FOOT FRONTAGE, AND OURS WILL HAVE -- WE ARE GUESSING JUST DIVIDED OUT AROUND 70 FOOT LOT FRONTAGE. THE SMALLEST LOT WILL RANGE FROM ABOUT .6 AXIS .61 TO .76 BECAUSE OF THE ANGLE OF THE ROAD THERE AT SLEEPY HOLLOW ROAD, WHICH IS RIGHT OFF OF 220.

IT REALLY DOES PROVIDE A REAL TRANSITION, BECAUSE RIGHT ON THIS PROPERTY, THERE IS THE SUBDIVISION, AS I SAID, THAT IS -- THE LOTS ARE ABOUT 8700 SQUARE FEET COMPARED TO THESE THAT ARE GOING TO BE SUBSTANTIALLY -- ABOUT 2900 SQUARE FEET. AND ALSO, THE PROPERTY APPRAISER'S HAD THIS AS A QUAIL ROOST, BUT THAT ROAD ENDS. SO THE FRONTAGE IS THE PROBLEM, WHICH IS OBVIOUSLY WHAT THE CLIENT WOULD ULUSE. WE FEELT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE AREA. IT DOESN'T HAVE A LOT OF CONCRETE TRAFFIC FOR SINGLE-FAMILY HOUSES, AND DEPENDING ON HOW IF YOU WANTED TO DEAL WITH THE WETLANDS, IT COULD'VE BEEN A LITTLE HIGHER. BUT IT IS REALLY WE HAVE TO GO WITH THE RB BECAUSE OF THE LOT WITH, BUT THEY'RE GOING TO BE SUBSTANTIALLY LARGER THAN THE REQUIRED RB, AND IT DOES PROVIDE THAT TRANSITION TO SOME OF THE OTHERS. AND REALLY, IT IS ISOLATED ON THAT STREET. JUST THE LOTS AROUND IT. IT'S NOT LIKE IT'S GOING TO FLOW WITH PEOPLE. THE LARGER LOTS, THEY DON'T GO THROUGH TO SLEEPY HOLLOW. THE PEOPLE ON SLEEPY HOLLOW'S IS A SLAB DIVISION WITH HIGHER DENSITY LOTS. ON ALL SIDES OF IT. SO WE FEEL IT IS A GOOD TRANSITION TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND WE APPRECIATE ALL THE STAFFS WORK AND STAND BY THEIR REPORT AND THEIR RECOMMENDATION THAT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS CONSISTENT WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND WITH ,

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>> ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME? >> I HAVE ONE FOR STAFF.

>> I HAVE ONE AS WELL FOR MISS FLEET. I'M SURE THIS WILL BE PROVIDED, BUT WILL EACH LOT YOU RECORD HAVE A WELL? OR WILL THEY

HAVE THEIR OWN WELL? >> MY UNDERSTANDING IS A WILL PROVIDE WATER AND SEWER. THEY WILL ALL HAVE WATER IN TO HER.

YES, I MEANT TO SAY THAT, BECAUSE I HEARD JENNY SAY IT WAS A WELL. BUT IT IS ALL WATER AND SEWER.

>> COMMISSIONER PUCKHABER, YOU GOT A QUESTION FOR STAFF?

>> THANK YOU, I DID. SINCE THIS IS FOUR LOTS, DOES THIS FALL UNDER SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS? BECAUSE IT'S MORE THAN THREE

LOTS. THEY WOULD HAVE TO MEET -- >> IT WOULD BE A MINOR

SUBDIVISION. >> IT'S LESS THAN THREE LOTS, BUT IT WOULD BE CONSIDERED MINOR.

>> YEAH. >> OTHER THAN THE PLATTING , WHATEVER REQUIREMENTS DO YOU HAVE FOR THAT SUBDIVISION? BECAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS ABOUT THIS LOCATION -- AND I'M NOT CERTAIN IT'S A BAD THING FOR THIS AREA, BUT JUST SOME OF MY OTHER FELLOW COMMISSIONERS HERE, IF THEY ARE NOT AWARE, SLEEPY HOLLOW ROAD HAS A FAIR AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC ON IT, BECAUSE THERE IS AN EASEMENT AT THE END OF SLEEPY HOLLOW ROAD. IT'S THE ONLY REASON HE GOT -- WELL, IT USED TO BE DIRT. THEY PAVED IT INITIALLY ALL THE WAY TO THAT SUBDIVISION THEY PUT IN DOWN THERE, AND I WOULD IS PAVED ALL THE WAY IN TO ECC. I BELIEVE THAT THE NEW ANIMAL CONTROL THAT IS GOING ON THAT PROPERTY BACK THERE. SO SLEEPY HOLLOW HAS HAD A FAIR AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC ON IT, AND KIND OF A COMMENT TO STAFF ON THIS IS, I WOULD DISAGREE THAT THE ADJACENT RB IS PART OF THE REASON THAT THIS SHOULD BE CHANGED TO RB, BECAUSE RIGHT NEXT TO SLEEPY HOLLOW ROAD IS A RAILROAD RIGHT-OF-WAY. YOU MIGHT AS WELL HAVE A WALL RIGHT THERE.

THE FACT THAT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT RAILROAD TRACK, IN FACT, THERE USED TO BE A CROSSING ON THAT TRACK FOR THE RENDERING THING , THE CONCRETE PLAN. AND THEY CLOSED THAT CROSSING. TO GO FROM THIS TO THAT RB, THIS PROBABLY ONLY A COUPLE HUNDRED FEET AWAY. YOU GOT TO GO OUT TO 220 ALL THE WAY DOWN TO 220, GO BACK TO 200 SOUTH AND ALL THE WAY THROUGH THAT SUBDIVISION. IT MIGHT LOOK CLOSE ON THE MAP , BUT -- SO BACK TO MY QUESTION.

WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO DO AS A SUBDIVISION OTHER THAN PLAT THE SUBDIVISION? DO YOU HAVE TO DO RETENTION OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT?

>> IF IT IS REQUIRED. I DON'T THINK IT WILL BE FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY BECAUSE WE ARE NOT COMPLETING ANY ROADWAYS USING THE EXISTING ROADWAYS. OTHERWISE YES, WE WOULD HAVE.

>> I DON'T THINK THERE'S A SIDEWALK AT SLEEPY HOLLOW.

>> WE WILL HAVE TO DO THAT, AND I KNOW THAT ANY IMPROVEMENT THAT WE DEALT WITH ANOTHER SUBDIVISIONS, IT'S MORE THAN FOUR CURB CUTS. ENGINEERING IS GOING TO HAVE TO DETERMINE WHAT WE ARE DOING. WE WOULD HAVE TO COMPLY WITH EVERYTHING, WE WOULD HAVE TO GO TO THE PLATTING PROCESS AND DRC. DRC DID A QUICK LOOK AT DIDN'T HAVE ANY COMMENTS WITH IT, BUT THAT IS THE NEXT STAGE. WE CAN'T DO THAT UNTIL WE GET THE REZONING.

I ALSO WANT TO SAY THAT IT IS VERY CAN DISTANT WITH THE SUBDIVISION RIGHT SOUTH, WHICH EVEN THOUGH I THINK IT IS A P.E.D., THOSE LOTS ARE ABOUT .2 OF AN ACRE, WHICH IS ABOUT 8700 SQUARE FEET. IT DOES PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT OF A TRANSITION, EVEN THOUGH, YOU KNOW, OFF OF THE ROAD, OFF OF THE OTHER

DEVELOPMENT. >> I KNOW THAT BACK THERE , THE FARMS SUFFERED SOME ADDITIONAL FLOODING , I THINK, IN THAT

SUBDIVISION. >> IS A LARGE SUBDIVISION. JUST GETTING MY FILL OF THE COMMUNITY, I WAS AMAZED BY HOW LARGE THAT SUBDIVISION WAS BACK THERE. YOU WOULDN'T KNOW IT,

BUT IT IS. >> I AM UP AND DOWN THIS ROAD.

>> YEAH. CHANCES ARE, THE HOUSES, JUST TO TAKE ADVANTAGE, THE PROPERTY IS SET FARTHER BACK.

>> IS THE PIECE OF PROPERTY JUST NORTH OF THIS, IS THAT THE PROPERTY THAT HAS THE WREAKING COMPANY ON IT, IS THAT

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THEM? >> YES.

>> YEAH. BUT THE COUNTY OWNS THE PARCEL ON SLEEPY HOLLOW, AND THERE USED TO BE AN OLD OIL SOMETHING. WE'VE GOT ALL KINDS

OF PROBLEMS. >> THERE IS A SINGLE-FAMILY

DWELLING RIGHT NORTH. >> OH, I SEE, I SEE. I THINK IT'S ON THE OTHER SIDE OF QUAIL ROOST.

>> YEAH. >> OKAY. THANK YOU.

>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSIONERS AT THIS TIME? THANK YOU, MISS FLEET. AT THIS TIME, I'M GOING TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING, AND I DO HAVE SOME COMMENT CARDS. I WOULD LIKE TO BEGIN WITH NICOLE.

PLEASE ADJUST THE MIC FOR YOUR HEIGHT, AND ALSO, GIVE YOUR NAME

AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. >> SURE. MY NAME IS NICOLE WALKER AND I LIVE AT 1508 HARVEST COVE DRIVE, WHICH IS A LITTLE PROPERTY RIGHT THERE THAT BUTTS UP RIGHT AGAINST THE PROPOSED AREA . I KIND OF SPEAK FOR THE TREES. WE HAVE LIVED ON 1508 HARVEST COVE DRIVE FOR OVER 20 YEARS. I HAVE WITNESSED A LOT OF ANIMALS BACK THERE , TORTOISES, A FAMILY OF OWLS THAT HAS BEEN THERE FOR OVER 20 YEARS, AND I KNOW THAT MAKES IT NOT SOUND LIKE MUCH, BUT TO ME, IT IS A LOT. I FEEL THAT WITH FOUR DIFFERENT HOMES THAT COULD POSSIBLY BE BUILT BACK THERE, I DON'T KNOW. THAT MIGHT BE A PROBLEM. AND I DO BELIEVE THAT GOPHER TORTOISES ARE PROTECTED BY A STATE LAW, AND ALSO THOSE ARE BURROWING OWLS, ALSO, I DO UNDERSTAND THAT THEY ARE ALSO PROTECTED SPECIES. SO I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT WORKS, BUT I JUST THOUGHT I WOULD VOICE MY OPINIONS AND CONCERNS, BECAUSE WE ARE -- WE ARE THE PROPERTY THAT BUTTS RIGHT UP AGAINST THIS NEW PROPOSED AREA. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> THANK YOU. I HAVE A JOHN WALKER.

>> YES, I LIVE IN 1508 HARVEST COVE DRIVE. FIRST I WANT TO THANK THE COMMUNITY FOR YOUR TIME. I UNDERSTAND YOU GUYS ARE VOLUNTEERS AND YOU PUT A LOT INTO THE COUNTY AND DON'T GET A LOT OF DIRECT SUPPORT. LIKE MY WIFE SAID, WE LIVE IN THAT PROPERTY FOR OVER 20 YEARS. WHEN WE FIRST LOOKED AT THE LAND, THERE WERE ONLY, OF COURSE, DIRT ROADS. AND THAT PARCEL OF LAND WAS PART OF THE NEIGHBORING COMMUNITY AT THAT TIME. IT WAS NOT SUPPOSED TO BE SPLIT MORE THAN ONCE. OUR UNDERSTANDING OF THE LAND. THE LAND HAD BEEN SOLD ONE TIME PRIOR . I DON'T WANT TO SAY -- SIX YEARS AGO, MAYBE? THERE WAS SOME ZONING ISSUES , SOME ISSUES OF -- WAS A PART OF THAT PARCEL? WAS IT NOT PART OF THAT PARCEL? I NEVER GOT THE FINAL INFORMATION ON THAT. BUT FOR MY DUE DILIGENCE WITH THE LOCAL LAND, IT'S KNOWING THAT THAT PARCEL WAS ONLY GOING TO BE FOR SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENCE.

UNDERSTANDING THAT GROWTH , UNDERSTANDING THAT WE HAVE A HOME, SOMETHING BEHIND US WOULD EVENTUALLY HAPPEN. BUT THEN WE DECIDED IT COULD BE FOUR HOMES , AND THE IMPACT, AS MY WIFE WOULD SAY, TO THE DEVELOPMENT, TO THAT LAND, IS CONCERNING. BUT ALSO CONCERNING IS SAFETY. SLEEPY HOLLOW IS A RACETRACK. IF YOU'VE EVER BEEN DOWN ON THE SIDE , THE COUNTY UTILITY EQUIPMENT, IT'S A VERY BUSY ROAD . VERY IMPORTANT. BUT THE CONCERN, OF COURSE, IS THAT NOW PUTTING FOUR DRIVEWAYS OUT ONTO THAT ROAD IS ANOTHER'S SAFETY CONCERN . YES, THERE IS A SIDEWALK THAT DOES RUN DOWN THE SIDE ROAD AS WELL, AND THERE ARE A LOT OF RESIDENCE IN OUR COMMUNITY THAT UTILIZE THAT SIDEWALK FOR ACTIVITIES AND FOR RUNNING AND EVERYTHING ELSE. SO IT IS UTILIZED, AND OF COURSE, THERE ARE DRIVEWAYS AND OTHER TRAFFIC WHICH IS CONCERNING. I THINK THAT'S RIGHT JUST WANT TO ADDRESS THE COMMITTEE AND LET THEM KNOW MY CONCERNS ABOUT THAT PARCEL FROM WHAT WAS MY INTENTION WHEN I BOUGHT IT TO NOW BEING PRETTY

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>> THANK YOU. I HAVE ONE MORE CARD. IS A PETER MANGER?

>> YUP. I AM PETE MANGER . I WORK FOR THE COUNTY. MY ADDRESS IS RIGHT NEXT TO THEIRS, 1512 HARVEST COVE DRIVE . AND JOHN PUT IT WELL. WHEN I BOUGHT THE HOME , ONE OF THE THINGS ATTRACTIVE TO ME WAS THAT IT BACKED UP TO THE WOODS. A QUIET CUL-DE-SAC, AND TO NICOLE'S POINT, WE HEAR THE OWLS TALKING TO EACH OTHER BASICALLY ON A DAILY BASIS. THERE'S A LOT OF WILDLIFE BACK THERE, TOO. I DON'T KNOW IF THOSE WOODS ARE TO BE CLEAR-CUT, I DON'T KNOW THE DETAILS ON THAT. BUT THOSE WOODS MAKE A NICE BUFFER BETWEEN US AND THE PROPERTIES JUST TO THE NORTH OF US. SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE GROWN ACCUSTOMED TO IN OUR LIVES, CHANGES CHANGE AND THINGS HAPPEN. THERE'S A WHOLE LOT OF OPEN RURAL AREA THAT CAN BE DEVELOPED BEFORE CRAMMING THINGS INTO A PLACE LIKE THAT. AND I AM ONE OF THE USERS OF THE SOCCER FIELD THAT JOHN MENTIONED. I WALK AND RUN ALMOST DAILY, AND IT IS NICE NOT TO HAVE DRIVEWAYS TO NEGOTIATE AND SO FORTH ON THAT STREET. SO WE WILL LOSE ALL OF THAT IF THIS GOES THROUGH. SO THAT IS -- THAT IS BASICALLY WHAT I HAVE TO SAY.

>> THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >> THANK YOU, MR. MANGER. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WISHES TO BE HEARD ON THIS MATTER? IF NOT, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION OF THIS MATTER, AND ASK IF THE APPLICANT WOULD LIKE TO RESPOND TO ANY OF THE CONCERNS

RAISED BY THE PUBLIC. >> YES, MA'AM. APPRECIATE IT.

EXCUSE ME. I THINK THE -- MY CLIENT DECIDED NOT TO IMPACT THE WETLANDS AND PROTECT THEM. IT SHOWS YOU HIS CARE FOR THE COMMUNITY, WHAT HIS CARE FOR THE ENVIRONMENT IS. HE COULD HAVE DONE SOMETHING WITH THE CUL-DE-SAC BEING SO SMALL, BUT TO MAYBE INCREASE THE DENSITY, BUT FELT THAT THAT WAS VERY IMPORTANT TO MAINTAIN THE NATURAL ENVIRONMENT, BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT MAKES US SO SELLABLE AS A COMMUNITY. AND SO, YOU KNOW, YOU FIGURE THESE LOT MAPS -- 30,000 SQUARE FEET, HALF OF THEM WET. A HOUSE FOOTPRINT, IF YOU DO A TWO STORY FOOTPRINT , EVEN IF YOU DID A ONE-STORY 3000 SQUARE FOOT HOUSE, YOU ARE NOT REALLY IMPACTING THAT MUCH OF THE LAND. I THINK IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE THAT ACTUALLY, THE LARGEST LOT IS THAT SOUTHERN LOT , AND I WOULD ASSUME, YOU KNOW, IF HE'S GOING TO WANT TO MAINTAIN AS MANY TREES -- BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT MAKES THIS DESIRABLE. IT'S NOT A SUBDIVISION WHERE THEY ARE CLEAR-CUT. THE BEST THING WE HAVE GOING FOR US AS WE HAVE ACCESS TO SLEEPY HOLLOW. THEN AFTER THAT, YOU PRETTY MUCH WANT TO KEEP THE ENVIRONMENT THAT IS THERE, THE NATURAL ENVIRONMENT OF THAT COMMUNITY. SO, YOU KNOW, ALL PROTECTED ANIMALS HAVE TO BE PROTECTED. AND LEAVING THAT WETLANDS AREA WILL ALLOW THE GOPHER TORTOISES AND THE OWLS -- WE ARE NOT GOING TO RELOCATE ANY ANIMALS THAT ARE ON THE SITE. WE WOULD HAVE TO IF THERE WAS ANY ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT. WE ARE NOT GOING TO DO THAT, BECAUSE WE LEAVE THOSE WETLANDS TO ALLOW THE NATURAL ENVIRONMENT TO MAINTAIN ITSELF. WE ARE ONLY ASKING FOR SINGLE-FAMILY HOUSES AND LOT SIZES LARGER THAN THE SUBDIVISION SOUTH OF US. WE ARE NOT REQUIRED LIKE A COMMERCIAL TO RESIDENTIAL , BUT BECAUSE OF THE SIZE OF THE LOTS, THE LOTS BEING OVER 70 FOOT WIDE, THAT LAST SPOT -- YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE -- YOU ARE GOING TO -- CHANCES ARE, YOU PUT THE HOUSE KIND OF IN THE MIDDLE. WITH 70 FEET, YOU'LL HAVE AT LEAST 30 FEET BETWEEN THE GLASSHOUSE AND THE BACK OF THESE PEOPLE'S HOUSES. AND I WOULD MAINTAIN THAT I'M SURE HE'S GOING TO MAINTAIN THAT NATURAL BUFFER, BECAUSE THAT IS PART OF THE BEAUTY OF THIS PROPERTY. IT'S A

BEAUTIFUL PIECE OF PROPERTY. >> ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS AT

THIS TIME FROM THE COMMISSION? >> I THINK IF I'M CORRECT, WE

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THANKS. WE ARE NOT ASKING FOR -- YES.

>> I DO HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF.

>> GO AHEAD. >> MY PC WOULDN'T WORK. UNDER THE RULE FRINGE LAND-USE AND THE AR ZONING, WHAT IS THE MINIMUM

BLOCK WITH? IS IT 100 FEET? >> I DON'T BELIEVE IT IS.

>> I KNOW UNDER URBAN -- YES. AR ZONING. UNDER URBAN COURT, IT'S 100 FEET. I'M NOT SURE WHAT IT IS ON RULE FRINGE.

I AM JUST TRYING TO GET A FEEL FOR HOW MANY LOT COULD GO ON THEIR IF THE ZONING REMAINS AS IT IS.

>> YES, SIR. >> IS 100 FEET. AND HOW WIDE IS

THAT PARCEL? >> SLEEPY HOLLOW?

>> YEAH. IT'S 4÷70, ESSENTIALLY.

>> YEAH, I HAVE THE -- I HAVE THE OUTLINE OF THE STAFF REPORT.

EACH LOT IS 70 FEET. >> SO GIVEN NO CHANGES, THE PARCEL COULD STILL BE UNDER THE CURRENT ZONING , CURRENTLY IN USE COULD HAVE TWO LOTS ON IT . YOU COULD GET -- YOU CAN GET THE THIRD ONE IN. SO WE ARE BASICALLY JUST LOOKING AT WHAT IS CLOSE TO DOUBLE FROM WHAT IS THERE. SO TO GO FROM THE TWO CURB CUTS, THE THREE CURB CUTS. AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE A COMMENT MAINLY TO A COUPLE OF THE PEOPLE THAT WERE KIND ENOUGH TO COME DOWN AND GIVE US SOME INFORMATION. I AM A TREE LOVER, AND I HATE WHEN THEY CUT THESE TREES DOWN. BUT THE FACT IS, WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING IN THIS COUNTY THAT PREVENTS THE OWNER FROM CLEARCUTTING THAT LOT. SO IF THEY SAVE SOME OF IT, IF THEY ARE GENTLE ON THE PROPERTY WHEN THEY CLEAR TO THE HOUSE PADS, THAT WILL BE PROBABLY BETTER THAN A LOT OF WHAT WE SEE. BUT THERE IS REALLY NOTHING TO PREVENT -- WE HAVE ACTUALLY HAD PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTY TO BE SPITEFUL , WHEN THEY DO THAT, TO GO IN AND CUT THE TREES JUST TO DO IT. THE OTHER THING IS, YOU ARE RIGHT ABOUT THE GOPHER TORTOISE AND THE TORTOISES, BUT THE OWLS YOU HEAR ARE PROBABLY BARN OWLS. THEY ARE PRETTY PLENTIFUL. THEY ARE ALL OVER. THERE'S QUITE A FEW OF THEM .

BUT MY ONLY OTHER COMMENT I THINK I WOULD MAKE IS THE ONE I MADE EARLIER, WHICH IS , THERE MAY BE A LOT OF JUSTIFICATION HERE, BUT I'M GOING TO JUST DISAGREE WITH THE POINT THAT THIS IS CLOSE TO THAT OTHER RB ZONE. YES, IT IS PHYSICALLY CLOSE, BUT LOGICALLY, IT IS NOT. YOU HAVE TO DRIVE ABOUT A MILE AND A HALF TO GET FROM THERE TO THE OTHER SIDE OF THE TRACKS. SO MORE OF A JUSTIFICATION WOULD BE THE FACT THAT THE SUBDIVISION JUST TO THE SOUTH OF IT HAS A SMALLER LOT. AND I KNOW I'M KIND OF RAMBLING. I'M JUST TRYING TO GATHER SOME THOUGHTS ON THIS. GOOD THAT IT WILL BE WELL , SO THAT WILL TIE INTO THE CCU. I THINK WHAT IS REALLY BEING REQUESTED HERE -- AND I'M KIND OF ON THE FENCE ON THIS ONE -- IS ESSENTIALLY DOUBLING WHAT

THEY CAN FIT ON THE PROPERTY. >> OTHER COMMENTS OR DISCUSSION

BY THE COMMISSION? >> MADAM CHAIR, JUST A CLARIFYING COMMENT. IF IT STAYED AS IT IS, YOU COULD CONCEIVABLY , WITH LESS THAN 300 FEET -- THAT IS TWO 100 FOOT PLUS, AND THAT WOULD BE UPWARDS OF SIX UNITS.

>> YOU COULD SPLIT IT IN DIFFERENT WAYS , AND I HAVEN'T

EXPLORED -- >> BY THE DENSITY MAXIMUM SIX.

SO IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE -- >> SIX AND CHANGE.

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>> OKAY. BUT IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED WILL KEEP IT TO FOUR. I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR. THANK YOU.

>> IS THERE ANY ACCESS TO THIS PROPERTY OFF OF -- IS THERE ANY

ACCESS FROM THERE? >> NO, SIR. IT DEAD ENDS. THEY WOULD HAVE TO CREATE A RIGHT-OF-WAY.

>> IT WOULD BE A RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY.

>> ANY OTHER COMMENTS? ACTION.

>> I'M GOING TO PUT A STAKE IN THE GROUND. I RECOMMEND STAFF'S

RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL. >> WE HAVE A MOTION. IS THERE A SECOND? WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. FURTHER DISCUSSION.

>> MY CONCERN IS THAT UNDER CURRENT ZONING, YOU CAN PURCHASE UP TO SIX UNITS. YOU JUST HAVE TO RECONFIGURE IT. 2.7 ACRES TO PLAY WITH. YOU CONCEIVABLY PUT A CENTER ROW DOWN IT AND SPLIT FOUR LOTS INSIDE OF IT FOR THAT MATTER WITH ONE ACCESS INVOLVED.

SO -- YOU KNOW, I JUST DON'T -- IF WE DENY IT, THERE IS STILL -- THERE IS STILL A WAY TO GET AROUND IT. THAT IS MY CONCERN.

>> AND IN SO DOING, YOU TAKE IT DOWN TO CONCEIVABLY ONE OR TWO

ENTRANCES. AND THAT IS IT. >> WE COULD HAVE CONTINUED DISCUSSION WITH THE PLAT TO SEE IF THEY HAVE ONE ACCESS ROAD. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT MAY BE AN OPPORTUNITY.

>> I WOULD ALSO ASK ONE OTHER THING, AND THAT IS -- WE HAVE HEARD CONCERNS FROM HOMEOWNERS THAT ARE ADJACENT TO THE PROPERTY . IS IT POSSIBLE TO HAVE A DISCUSSION BETWEEN SAY, THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION OR ADVISORY COMMITTEE IF THEY HAVE IT, AND THE PROPERTY OWNER TO PERHAPS COME UP WITH A PLAN AND A WAY TO MAKE ALL THIS WORK? I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER PUCKHABER, HAVING GONE DOWN SLEEPY HOLLOW ROAD MANY TIMES, IT HASN'T GOTTEN ANY LIGHTER. SO TO COMMISSIONER DAVIS'S POINT, SAFETY IS A CONCERN, PARTICULARLY WITH FOUR ACCESS ROADS OF PEOPLE BACKING OUT ONTO SLEEPY HOLLOW ROAD . TO ME, THAT'S BELOW AVERAGE PLANNING THE WAY IT IS LAID OUT. I WOULD ASK THE PARTIES COME BACK TO US AFTER THEY HAVE ALL DISCUSSED, AND WE TAKE IT FROM THERE. THANK YOU.

>> ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND AND WE HAVE A SICK

GESTURE THAT WE -- >> I SUGGEST A CONTINUANCE. I DON'T THINK I WOULD SUPPORT A CONTINUANCE ON THIS ONE. I THINK WE HAVE KIND OF PUT OUR PROBLEMS OUT THERE AS WE SEE THEM, AND I THINK WE SHOULD JUST TAKE A VOTE AND PERHAPS THE APPLICANT CAN GET WITH THE HOMEOWNER. JUST GET A HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION, BETWEEN NOW AND THE BCC. THAT GIVES YOU THREE WEEKS. SO -- YOU KNOW, WE WILL JUST VOTE ON HOW WE FEEL ABOUT IT NOW TO SEE IF THEY ACCOMMODATE SOME OF THOSE --

>> I FEEL VERY COMFORTABLE THAT WE WILL WORK TO GET -- I'M JUST THINKING THAT THAT ROUTE, FROM YOUR COMMENTS, THINGS WITH CAN DO TO MAYBE DO A SHARED ONE DRIVEWAY. I THINK THAT WOULD MAKE SENSE. I WOULD HAVE NO -- YOU KNOW, I -- YOU KNOW, BECAUSE I HEAR THE CONCERNS. SO IF WE CAN DO SOMETHING WITH THE WAY WE PLAT IT -- BECAUSE I THINK WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY WITH THE ANGLE OF THE ROAD WHERE MAYBE THE FOUR UNITS HAVE AN H AWAY FOR THE -- LIKE, BASICALLY TAKE A TRIANGLE, AND THEN THAT IS OWNED BY -- AND THEN THEY EACH HAVE AN ENTRANCE THAT GOES TO

THE CENTRAL ENTRANCE. YOU KNOW. >> MY CONCERN IS ALSO -- THE RESIDENCE CONCERNS CENTER AROUND WILDLIFE AND PRESERVING IT AS

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>> AND I DON'T THINK -- ACTUALLY, INITIALLY, TO BE HONEST, COMMISSIONERS, WE HAD THOUGHT ABOUT -- WE HAD REQUESTED A PUD TO ALLOW US TO GET IT MORE SPECIFIC, AND THEN STAFF SAID NO, WE NEED TO GO RB, SO WE DID THAT. YOU KNOW, THERE IS NO QUESTION WE ARE MAINTAINING THE WETLANDS. WE ARE NOT TOUCHING THAT, AND RIGHT FROM THE BEGINNING, MY CLIENT, WHO IS ACTUALLY GOING TO BE PURCHASING THE PROPERTY AND DEVELOPING, HE FELL IN LOVE WITH THE PROPERTY. HE LIKED IT, AND IN HIS FIRST GO, I WOULD RECOMMEND YOU DON'T DO ANYTHING TO THE WETLANDS. SO HE IS VERY CONCERNED WITH THE ENVIRONMENT THERE. SO I REALLY FEEL COMFORTABLE -- THEY WILL DO WHATEVER NEEDS TO MAINTAIN THE LOOK. WHERE THE HOUSES WILL BE SET BACK, WE PROBABLY WOULDN'T EVEN NOTICE THAT THOSE HOUSES DEAL WITH THE COMBINED DRIVEWAY .

>> MY FEELING WOULD BE , THEN LET'S TAKE THE PRESSURE OFF, AND THERE'S NO REASON -- INSTEAD OF TRYING TO GET IT DONE IN SEVERAL WEEKS, COME BACK IN A MONTH OR TWO AFTER EVERYBODY HAS TALKED. YOU GOT A PLAN, RATHER THAN, YOU KNOW, AND THEN COME UP WITH SOMETHING BY THE CCC MEETING.

>> WHAT IS THE PLEASURE OF THE COMMISSION?

>> I HAVE A COMMENT. >> COMMISSIONER ANZALONE.

>> THE ONLY THING THAT BOTHERS ME ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR SITE IS THE FACT THAT THERE'S SO MANY HOMES THAT ARE BUT TO THAT PROPERTY , AND I'M ALSO IN AGREEMENT THAT I DON'T THINK IT SHOULD BE, YOU KNOW, COMPLETELY GUTTED. BUT AT THE SAME TIME, ONCE THOSE HOMES ARE BUILT AND THOSE PROPERTIES ARE SOLD, IT PREVENTS THE HOMEOWNER FROM COMING IN AND SAYING, YOU KNOW WHAT? MAYBE I WANT TO PUT THIS BACK HERE, IS THERE PLENTY OF LAND TO DO THAT. ALL OF A SUDDEN, THEY ARE CLEARING IT, AND I'M NOT SURE THAT THEY WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE IF EVEN PUT A FENCE UP TO ENCLOSE THEIR PROPERTY. I WOULD BE INCLINED TO SAY, IF YOU WERE TO SUBDIVIDE THIS INTO THREE LOTS AND LEAVE A VERY SMALL OR LARGE ENOUGH AREA THAT CANNOT BE DEVELOPED AS A BUFFER BETWEEN THE EXISTING PROPERTIES AND THOSE PARTICULAR THREE LOTS, I WOULD BE MORE IN FAVOR OF THAT.

>> ACTUALLY, THINKING OUT LOUD HERE, WE CAN DO THE FOUR LOTS AND MAKE THEM 60 FOOT, WHICH IS THE MINIMUM FOR RB, AND TAKE BASICALLY 10 FOOT OFF OF EACH OTHER LOT.

>> MAKE A FIVE LOT SUBDIVISION. >> KNOW --

>> YOU WOULD HAVE TO SUBDIVIDE IT SO THAT THAT BUFFER -- SO THAT BUFFER IS NOT DEVELOPABLE. YOU CAN DEVELOP A BUFFER.

HOWEVER YOU HAVE TO DO THAT , I WOULD BE IN FAVOR MORE OF THAT THAN I WOULD OF THE WAY THAT IT IS BEING LAID OUT RIGHT NOW.

>> AND THAT IS SOMETHING WE COULD EASILY DO. THAT IS NOT A

PROBLEM. >> THANK YOU, MS. FLEET. NOW, WHAT IS THE PLEASURE OF THE COMMISSION HERE? WE GOT A MOTION AND WE GOT A SECOND, AND WE'VE HAD A SUGGESTION THAT PERHAPS WE

SHOULD GIVE THEM MORE TIME. >> IF THERE'S A DIFFERENT DIRECTION TO TAKE, THEN WE NEED TO BUILD THIS MOTION DOWN AND COME UP WITH A SECOND MOTION. WE ALSO NEED TO HEAR FROM THE SCHOOL BOARD DOWN THERE. SINCE IT'S A RESIDENTIAL AREA, I DON'T THINK THERE'S GOT TO BE A PROBLEM WITH ANY OF THAT. BUT THEY NEED TO WEIGH IN ON IT.

>> I HAVE NO SCHOOL BOARD CONCERNS. BECAUSE OF THE DENSITY BEING PROPOSED FOR LOTS THAT GENERATE MAYBE ON THE MAXIMUM FOUR STUDENTS, AND FOR THAT AREA , FOR THE SCHOOL ZONES THAT ARE IMMEDIATELY -- WHERE THAT PROPERTY IS, AND THEN THE CONTINGENT SCHOOL ZONE SERVES AS CAPACITY FOR THAT. I DON'T HAVE A REASON TO SAY OR DENY THIS PARTICULAR REQUEST.

>> THANK YOU. SO AT THIS TIME, SHALL WE PROCEED CALLING THE QUESTION? SO WE HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF THE APPLICATION.

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JUST LEAVE IT? >> I DON'T THINK YOU CAN.

>> BECAUSE WE'VE ALREADY DISPOSED OF IT. SO -- YEAH. YES, OKAY. THANK YOU. YES. YEAH. YEAH. AND THERE MAY BE AN OPPORTUNITY THE COMMISSION WILL KNOW WHAT OUR CONCERNS ARE, AND THAT CAN STILL BE ADDRESSED. SO BEST WISHES TO EVERYONE, AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.

>> MADAM CHAIR, I JUST WANT TO ENSURE IT GOT ON RECORD THAT -- THAT OUR -- IT IS NOT ONE OF THESE ONES WE ARE ADAMANTLY OPPOSED TO. WE JUST WOULD LIKE TO SEE TWEAKED UP, AND IF THOSE TWEAKS HAPPEN, I -- I'M OKAY WITH IT. IT'S JUST THE WAY THAT YOU WOULD CARVE IT UP. MY CONCERN IS ALWAYS WE ALL PROBABLY LIVE IN NEIGHBORHOODS WHERE WE SEE PEOPLE DO CRAZY THINGS. AND THIS COULD BE ONE OF THOSE PARTICULAR AREAS THAT SOMEBODY JUST DIDN'T LIKE SOMETHING, OR THEY DECIDED THAT THEY WANT TO PARK THREE RVS IN THEIR BACKYARD, OR WHATEVER IT IS, AND THEY HAVE TO START CLEARING EVERYTHING. AND THEN WHAT DOES IT DO TO THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES? THAT'S MY CONCERN.

YEAH. >> WELL, THANK YOU. AND THAT CONCLUDES THIS PARTICULAR MATTER. THAT CONCLUDES OUR PUBLIC HEARING AGENDA. WE DO NOT HAVE ANY PRESENTATIONS, OF WHICH

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COMMENTS. >> I WOULD LIKE TO NOMINATE

PETE. >> I WOULD LIKE TO SECOND THAT.

>> SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO ELECT PETE DAVIS -- PETE DAVIS AS OUR CHAIR FOR THE NEXT --

>> PETE, OVER THE YEARS, IT CAN BE WORSE THAN WHAT RALPH AND I

HAVE SEEN. RIGHT, RALPH? >> SO WITH A MOTION AND A SECOND, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. AND PETE, CONGRATULATIONS AND WE ARE HAPPY TO HAVE YOU AS OUR NEW CHAIR. OKAY. AND -- SO NOW WE NEED A

VICE CHAIR. >> WE TALKED ABOUT THIS LAST MONTH, RIGHT? AND I THINK IF -- IS WILLING TO TAKE ON THE POSITION , I WOULD NOMINATE HIM TO BE THE VICE.

>> ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? >> NO REBUTTAL, BUT I WILL SAY BECAUSE OF THE DEPTH OF EXPERIENCE THAT IS ON THE SPORT,

-- >> OR YOU COULD SAY YOU WANT TO HOLD OFF FOR ANOTHER YEAR, AND ONE OF US WOULD HAVE TO STEP IN AND TAKE THAT YEAR UNTIL YOU ARE READY. SO THERE'S OPTIONS, BOW.

>> I'M HAPPY TO ACCEPT VICE CHAIR.

>> AT THIS TIME, LET'S VOTE ON THE MOTION. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF MR. BURKE BEING OUR VICE CHAIR, LYCÉE AYE. MOTION CARRIES, AND I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY THAT I HAVE ENJOYED BEING YOUR CHAIR FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS, AND I APPRECIATE THE SUPPORT I HAVE RECEIVED FROM EACH OF YOU AND STAFF. IT HAS BEEN A PLEASURABLE EXPERIENCE AND A LEARNING EXPERIENCE AND I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO CONTINUING TO SERVE.

>> THANK YOU. >> YES, YOU'VE DONE AN

EXCELLENT JOB. >> THANK YOU. MY PLEASURE TO PASS THE GAVEL. I WAS INCHING IT OVER. SO I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANY OTHER OLD BUSINESS OR NEW BUSINESS, DO WE? YES, WE DO. AND LACEY, THOSE ARE ALREADY COMING THROUGH. SO I DO NOT HAVE ANY COMMENT CARDS, BUT I WILL OPEN THE FINAL PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD.

I HAVE NO CARDS, I SEE NO INCOMING FORWARD. I WILL CLOSE THE FINAL PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD. OUR NEXT COMMISSION MEETING IS

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SCHEDULED FOR -- >> QUESTION. CAN WE GET AN IDEA WHAT NEXT MONTH AGENDA -- WHAT IT IS FEELING UP TO LOOK LIKE? IS IT?

>>

>> I HAVE A REZONING -- TWO REZONINGS AND A COMP PLAN. SURE.

>> I MIGHT MENTION, I GO OUT AND TAKE A PEEK EARLY AND A LOT OF TIMES THINGS ARE LOADED EARLY AND I CAN -- I LOOK AT THEM, AND ACTUALLY, EVERYTHING THAT WE HEARD TONIGHT, I SAW BEFORE WE WERE NOTIFIED.

SO THAT -- THAT IS A GREAT, GREAT IMPROVEMENT.

>> THE PUBLIC VIEW IS WHAT I'VE BEEN ABLE TO GO IN AND SEE.

>> JUST EMAIL ME AND I CAN SEND IT TO YOU.

>> FOLLOW-UP. >> YES.

>> I CAN'T -- I -- WHO DO I NEED TO -- I WAS UNABLE TO GET ONTO THE INTERNET HERE, THE WI-FI .

>> NEITHER WAS I. >> YEAH. SO THERE IS --

>> OR WE CAN REVERT BACK TO PAPER.

>> WELL, I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM USING THE INTERNET AT HOME. IT'S JUST HERE THAT I'VE HAD PROBLEMS.

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