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AND COMMISSIONER BILL GARRISON WILL LEAD US IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
>> I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
>> MY NAME IS MARY BRIDGMAN. MINUTES FOR TONIGHT'S MEETING WILL BE TAKEN BY CHRISTINE BLANCHETT FROM THE CLERK OF COURT'S OFFICE, AND WE THANK YOU FOR THAT. OTHER STAFF PRESENT INCLUDE BETH CARSON, OUR DIRECTION OF PLANNING AND ZONING. AND KELLY HENRY, ECONOMIC AND DEVELOPMENT SERVICES COORDINATOR. AS WELL AS COURTNEY -- COUNTY ATTORNEY. SINCE WE HAVE ONE PERSON IN THE AUDIENCE I WILL INTRODUCE EVERYBODY OR YOU CAN JUST READ OUR NAME PLATES.
>> OKAY. ALL RIGHT, WELL, I'LL JUST REFER YOU TO THE WEBSITES AND NAMEPLATES AS TO WHO WE ALL ARE, AND WE APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE. AND YOU PROBABLY KNOW WE ARE AN ADVISORY COMMITTEE TO THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS.
WELL, IF THERE IS SOMETHING ON THE AGENDA YOU WANTED TO SPEAK ABOUT, YOU WOULD NEED TO FILL OUT A COMMENT CARD, BUT THE ONE AGENDA ITEM HAS BEEN WITHDRAWN. SO WE DO HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIODS. DID YOU WANT TO PARTICIPATE IN THAT, THE PUBLIC COMMENT?
>> ALL RIGHT, WELL, I HAVEN'T GOTTEN TO THAT YET,
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BUT LET'S SEE.AND IT'LL BE SHORTLY. THE FIRST ITEM FOR ACTION BY THE COMMISSION TONIGHT IS APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES OF THE DECEMBER 3RD MEETING OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION. DO I HEAR A MOTION?
>> ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY
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AYE. NOW WE ARE AT THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD, AND THIS ITEM IS FOR ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC WHO WISHES TO COMMENT ON ITEMS NOT INCLUDED ON OUR AGENDA BUT PERTINENT TO OUR BUSINESS. AND I SEE YOU HAVE A COMMENT CARD, SO WE ASK YOU FILL IT OUT.AND WHEN YOU BEGIN YOUR PUBLIC COMMENTS, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE VIDEO RECORD. YOUR TIME IS LIMITED TO 3 MINUTES. AND THERE ARE LIGHTS ON THE PODIUM TO HELP YOU KEEP TRACK OF THAT. SO AT THIS TIME WE WILL GO TO THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD. IF YOU'RE READY.
NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE, AND WE THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.
>> MY NAME IS JEFF DANIELS. FLEMMING ISLAND, FLORIDA.
I MOVED HERE ABOUT A YEAR AGO, AND I'VE HAD A TREMENDOUS EDUCATION ON HOA --
>> THANK YOU. AND I'M JUST TRYING TO GET SOME DIRECTION HERE. I HAVE TALKED TO ERIC POPE ABOUT AN ISSUE, AND WHAT'S GOING ON THERE'S A DRAINAGE ISSUE IN MY SUBDIVISION. NOBODY WANTS TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT. IT'S BEEN GOING ON FOR A WHILE. SO EVERYONE'S DOING THIS.
TALK TO THAT PERSON TALK TO THAT PERSON, TALK TO THAT PERSON, TALK TO THAT PERSON.
SO THAT'S WHERE I'M CONTINUING TO CLIMB THE LADDER HERE IN GETTING SOME DIRECTION.
WHAT'S GOING ON IS THEY'RE SAYING IT'S PRIVATE PROPERTY, THEY CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT.
BUT THEY DID SOMETHING ABOUT IT ABOUT FIVE YEARS AGO AND SO THEY'RE DENYING IT. I STOPPED AT PUBLIC WORK. I TALKED TO THIS WONDERFUL GAL NAMED MONICA VALDEVA, AND THEN I STARTED TALKING TO ERIC POPE, AND THE COMMUNICATION HAS BEEN WHERE HE'S BEEN SENDING ME INFORMATION ABOUT THE SUBDIVISION AND WHERE DRAINAGE IS GOING ON AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
AND THAT'S WHERE WE'VE STOPPED.
AND I JUST HAVEN'T REALLY PURSUED IT ANY FURTHER, SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT QUITE TO DO, WHO I NEED TO ADDRESS IT TO, AND SEE IF THERE COULD BE A RESOLUTION HERE BECAUSE THE CDD IS PLANNING TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS BERM THAT RUNS BEHIND MY PROPERTY AND SEVEN OTHER BUILDINGS THAT HAVE THIS ISSUE, AND I THOUGHT MAYBE THERE COULD BE A JOINT EFFORT, YOU KNOW?
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COUNTY, CDD, THE HOA, WE ALL GET TOGETHER, HOLDS HANDS, HAVE CUPCAKES AND TRY TO GET THIS THING DONE. I'M SORRY I'M BEING A LITTLE SARCASTIC HERE, BUT IT HAS BEEN FRUSTRATING.I RETIRED. I BOUGHT A PLACE, I JUST WANT IT TO BE A HOME. AND THAT'S
IT. >> I MISSED THE NAME OF THE
SUBDIVISION. >> IT'S AUTUMN GLENN. IT'S IN FLEMING ISLAND.
F-I-P. THEY SAID WHY DON'T YOU TALK TO PUBLIC WORKS AND I DIDN'T REALLY PURSUE THAT.
>> STAFF OR OTHERS HERE MIGHT HAVE SUGGESTIONS, BUT I WOULD SUGGEST YOU REACH OUT TO YOUR COUNTY COMMISSIONER WHO IS NOW, HAS JUST BEEN ELECTED.
>> OH, HE WAS ON THE TOP OF THE LIST OF THE PICTURES THERE.
ALL RIGHT. LIKE I'M AT THE ACADEMY AWARDS. I WANT TO THANK EVERYONE WHO --
>> MIKE SELLA WHO'S THE OUTGOING COMMISSION 1 IS ON THE
CDD. >> HE'S COMING BACK ON, RIGHT? YEAH, THEY INTRODUCED HIM AND SEEMED TO BE A VERY NICE GUY. I JUST HOPE THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS DON'T GET AHOLD OF HIM BEFORE I TALK. BECAUSE THEY'VE SEEN ME ALMOST EVERY DAY FOR A YEAR AND A
HALF. >> HE'S FAMILIAR WITH THE INNER WORKINGS OF THE COUNTY AS WELL, SO IT'LL BE A GOOD RESOURCE.
>> YEAH, YOU KNOW, IT'S THE EDUCATION. AND I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. I REALLY
DO. >> WELL, WE APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE. WAS THERE
ANYTHING ELSE AM. >> IF I MAY INTERJECT?
>> I'M A PRESIDENT OF MY OWN ASSOCIATION.
I'VE BEEN DOING THAT FOR A LONG TIME.
IF THE PROPERTY IS NOT COUNTY PROPERTY, YOU MORE THAN LIKELY HAVE TO JUST REFER BACK TO YOUR COVENANT'S RESTRICTIONS FOR THAT PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE EVERY DEVELOPMENT -- AND I'M NOT REALLY SURE ABOUT FLEMING ISLAND.
I KNOW THAT I HAVE FIVE DIFFERENT SUBDIVISIONS IN MINE, AND I'M RESPONSIBLE FOR TWO OF THOSE FIVE. AND OUR COVENANT AND RESTRICTIONS IN OURS ARE A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN THE OTHER TWO. ONE IS A SIEVING ORGANIZATION AND THE OTHER IS AN HOA LIKE MINE. SO I WOULD REFER BACK TO THAT DOCUMENT FIRST, IF IT'S NOT COUNTY PROPERTY.
>> THEY HAVE -- THEY CLAIM THAT OUR BACKYARD IS PRIVATE PROPERTY, BUT THEY HAVE DONE SOME ALTERATIONS TO IT.
THEY PUT A DRAENAGE SYSTEM IN FOUR YEARS AGO, BUT THEY JUST DON'T KNOW WHO DID IT.
THEY CONTINUE TO CLAIM IT'S PRIVATE PROPERTY, BUT THEY DON'T KNOW WHO PUT THIS IN.
YEAH, IT'S A LITTLE CONFUSING. THEN I WEBSITE TO THE CDD, AND THEY SAID IT'S PRIVATE PROPERTY.
AND I LIVE NEXT TO THIS BERM THAT IS THE CDD'S. AND THEY'RE PLANNING ON PLANTING AND DOING SOME THINGS WITH THAT
BERM. >> WELL, I'LL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT HAPPENED IN OUR PARTICULAR CASE. WE HAVE THREE RETENTION PONDS, AND FOR QUITE A NUMBER OF YEARS THE DEVELOPER FOR THOSE THREE RETENTION PONDS WAS STILL THE OWNER OF THOSE RETENTION PONDS ONLY IN THE COUNTY
WE HAVE THE PONDS TREATED. WE HAVE THE LANDSCAPERS COME IN AND CUT AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF, BUT TECHNICALLY IT REALLY WAS NOT OURS TO DO THAT, IT WAS STILL THE DEVELOPERS. SO WE HAD TO COME TO THE COUNTY AND HAVE THOSE DOCUMENTS CHANGED.
>> IN THE GOVERNING DOCUMENTS OF AUTUMN GLENN, THEY SAY THE HOA HAS TO PUT SOME MONEY ASIDE FOR DRAINAGE, MAINTENANCE, AND ALL THAT. AND THEN I APPROACHED THEM ON IT, AND OH, NO, THE CDD HAS IT, THEY DO IT NOW.
BUT THERE ISN'T ANYTHING IN THOSE GOVERNING BODIES -- THEY STILL SHOULD HAVE TO COLLECT THAT MONEY, AND SO IT WOULD HELP MY SITUATION OUT.
IT'S JUST NOTNOT DWELLING OR MY BUILDING. IT'S FOUR OR FIVE BUILDINGS, AND IT'S JUST BECAUSE OF AGE, I KNOW ABOUT THAT, THINGS CHANGE, AND IT'S NOT DRAINING AS WELL. I EVEN TALKED TO ST. JOHN'S
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RIVER WATER DISTRICT MANAGEMENT AND THEY HAD AN ENGINEER COME OUT, AND GO, OH, NO, THEY'RE ALL IN COMPLIANCE.>> IT HAS TO BE SOMEBODY'S LAND,
IT'S THE PROPERTY OWN, BUT IT'S EVERYONE'S POINTING THE FINGER ABOUT IT'S NOT OUR PROBLEM.
BUT SOMEBODY DID SOMETHING FOUR OR FIVE YEARS AGO, AND WE'LL FIND OUT NEXT -- I'M MEETING WITH THE MASTER HOA THIS THURSDAY. DON'T TELL HIM. AND THEN ON THE 28TH THE CDD AND OUR HOA ON THE 16TH. AND WE HAVE NEW PROPERTY MANAGEMENT PEOPLEN OUR HOA BOARD.
>> WELL, GOOD LUCK. >> THANK YOU.
I CAN'T TELL YOU, THIS REALLY MAKES ME FEEL A LOT BETTER. I'VE GOT PICTURES OF MY GRANDKIDS. I CAN SHOW
THAT. >> MR. DANIELS, WE WISH YOU LUCK AND WE THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE
TODAY. >> NOW, IS THERE MINUTES WITH
AND THEY'RE POSTED ON -- THEY'RE POSTED ON THE COUNTY
WEBSITE. >> AFTER WE APPROVE THEM.
>> SO IT'LL BE A MONTH BEFORE YOU CAN
SEE THEM. >> AGAIN, I'M GETTING A TREMENDOUS EDUCATION HERE.
>> WELL, WE HAD ONE -- ONE APPLICATION ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT, AND I THINK EVERYONE'S PROBABLY AWARE THAT IT WAS WITHDRAWN LATE THIS AFTERNOON, SO WE ACTUALLY HAVE NO AGENDA PUBLIC HEARING TODAY. SO THERE'S -- AND THERE'S NO ONE HERE TO TALK ABOUT IT, WHICH THERE WOULDN'T BE ANYTHING TO TALK ABOUT IF THEY WERE.
SO ANYWAY, THAT PRETTY MUCH CONCLUDES OUR AGENDA.
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PRESENTATIONS. DID WE HAVE ANY PRESENTATIONS THIS EVENING? AND THEN IN TERMS OF OLD BUSINESS AND NEW BUSINESS, WE DID TALK. BILL RAISED SOME POINTS AT OUR LAST MEETING ABOUT EX PARTE COMMUNICATIONS THAT HE HAD PICKED UP AT THE CONTINUING EDUCATION. AND I KNOW SOME WORK IS BEING DONE ON DEVELOPING A POLICY FOR US TO FOLLOW. IS THERE ANYTHING STAFF WISHES TO SAY ABOUT THAT AT THIS TIME?>> I DON'T KNOW THAT I WOULD GO THAT FAR.
I JUST -- MY EYES WERE OPEN. I WAS PRESENTED WITH A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE, AND I JUST WANTED TO SHARE THAT DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE.
THE FACT THAT SOMEBODY CALLS YOU, YOU ARE NOT OBLIGATED TO TALK TO THEM.
>> BUT IF YOU DO TALK TO THEM, YOU ARE OBLIGATED TO MAKE EVERYBODY AWARE OF THAT.
>> CORRECT. AND STAFF HAS PULLED TOGETHER ALL THE POLICY FROM SURROUNDING COUNTIES, AND WE PRETTY MUCH FOLLOW THEM.
WRITING. >> THAT'S ALL IT WAS.
AS HAD BEEN PRESENTED TO ME, OH, IT'S NO BIG DEAL, GO AHEAD AND PRESENT IT, MAN. AND THEN WHEN YOU GET TO A ROOM OF PLANNING PROFESSIONALS, OH, MAN, I DON'T RECOMMEND THAT. OH, REALLY? IT JUST WAS THE PRESENTATION OF A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE, THAT'S ALL
IT WAS. >> SPECIFICALLY I'M SURE IN THE MATERIALS THEY PROVIDED YOU, THE LEGISLATURE DID MAKE IT AS AN EXCEPTION, SO IT'S NOT JUST A BLANKET NO EX PARTE COMMUNICATIONS. SO YOU ARE ALLOWED TO HAVE EX
PARTE COMMUNICATIONS. >> NO, I UNDERSTAND THAT.
JUST THE REPORTING PART -- >> WELL, THE GUY WHO GAVE THE PRESENTATION ON THAT PART OF THAT I BELIEVE WAS AN ATTORNEY. SO, YOU KNOW, HE MADE IT PRETTY CLEAR WHAT YOU COULD AND COULDN'T DO.
BUT HE ALSO SUGGESTED SOME BEST PRACTICES, WHICH IS WHAT I THINK THAT, COURTNEY, YOU'RE TRYING TO PUT TOGETHER, RIGHT? SO MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE WAIT ON THE DOCUMENT, AND THEN LET US REVIEW IT, AND THEN WE CAN SEE IF THERE MIGHT BE SOMETHING WE WANT TO TWEAK, YOU KNOW, FOR PLANNING COMMISSION. BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO BE ABOUT THE SAME, I WOULD THINK.
>> YEAH, I'M NOT TRYING TO MAKE A MOUNTAIN OUT OF A MOLEHILL ABOUT IT.
IT JUST WAS THE FACT IT WAS A DIFFERENT PER SPECTIVE, A MORE CONSERVATIVE APPROACH TO INTERACTING WITH APPLICANTS. A MORE CAUTIOUS APPROACH, THANK AND IT WAS JUST PRESENTED, YOU KNOW, PREVIOUSLY, OH, YEAH, NO BIG
DEAL. >> WELL, I THINK -- I DON'T
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KNOW IF IT HAPPENS AS MUCH FOR YOU AS IT DOES FOR THE COMMISSIONERS, BUT A PERFECT EXAMPLE WAS HOW YOU JUST SUGGESTED TO THIS GENTLEMAN THAT HE CONTACT HIS COMMISSIONER. SO THE BOARD, THEY ARE CONTACTED NOT ONLY BY THE APPLICANT BUT BY CITIZENS.SO THEY'RE SOMEWHAT BOMBARDED FROM BOTH, SO THOSE WOULD ALL BE -- AT LEAST, IN MY OPINION, I KNOW SOME OF YOU WOULD DISAGREE.
COMMUNICTIONS. >> I DON'T GET THINGS FROM CITIZENS OTHER THAN E-MAILS. I DON'T THINK I'VE EVER GOT PHONE CALLS. GENERALLY THEY'RE SENDING THEM TO OUR PUBLIC E-MAIL.
>> BUT IT WAS NOT ABOUT ANY AGENDA ITEM WE WERE WORKING.
IT WAS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HOW I FELT IF THEY APPLIED FOR A LAND USE CHANGE IN A PARTICULAR AREA, AND I RESPONDED TO THAT DOWN ON FLEMING ISLAND ON 220. AND I GAVE THEM MY STANDARD BOILERPLATE RESPONSE. BUT, AS FAR AS SAYING ABSOLUTELY NOT, THERE'S NO VOTE TAKEN, NO DECISION MADE, AND I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THEY EVEN MADE FURTHER MOVES TO PURCHASE THE PROPERTY AND APPLY FOR LAND EXCHANGE OR NOT.
BUT AS FAR AS IT SEEMS TO ME -- I DON'T KNOW, I THINK I WOULD HAVE TO READ THE PLAN YOU ALL ARE PUTTING OUT FOR THE BOARD AND SEE WHETHER OR NOT IT WOULD MEET THE NEEDS AND MATCH OUR -- OUR REQUIREMENTS AROUND THAT BEFORE WE COULD ABSOLUTELY SAY, YEAH, WE'LL FOLLOW THE BOARD OR WE'LL FOLLOW THIS OR
THAT. >> WELL, AND I KNOW ONE BIG THING FOR THE BOARD, WHICH YOU'VE BEEN FACED WITH RECENTLY, TOO, IS THE APPLICANT'S PRESENTATIONS. SOMETIMES THERE ARE NOT RESTRICTIONS. SO, I MEAN, WE'VE LOOKED AT SURROUNDING JURISDICTIONS FOR THAT AS WELL, AND SO THEY DO HAVE -- I MEAN THE BOARD HAS A RESTRICTION. I THINK IT'S 5 MINUTES, BUT THEY'VE NEVER ENFORCED IT. THEY'VE JUST HOPED THAT PEOPLE WOULD COMPLY OR AT LEAST BE CONSIDERATE OF THE TIME.
SO WE HAVE PULLED TOGETHER THE TIMES FOR OTHER JURISDICTIONS, AND I KNOW JACKSONVILLE'S THE ONE THAT'S THE BROADEST, BUT I THINK IT'S NASSAU COUNTY MAYBE IS 15 MINUTES FOR THE APPLICANT. SO I KNOW THAT BASED ON SOME CHALLENGES THAT WE HAVE, I'M NOT SURE 5 MINUTES IS ENOUGH. SO I THINK OUR BOARD'S GOING TO HAVE TO REVISIT THAT. THIS IS THE TIME FOR AN APPLICANT ESPECIALLY IF SOMEONE CHOOSES NOT TO MEET WITH THEM BEFOREHAND, THIS IS THEIR ONE TIME. AND IF IT'S A VERY BIG DEAL, RIGHT, AND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS AND YOU'RE ONLY GIVING THEM 5 MINUTES, IS THAT DUE PROCESS?
>> WELL, YOU KNOW, MOST APPLICANTS ARE, YOU KNOW, QUICK AND TO THE POINT. THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO AND WHY WE WANT TO DO IT. THERE'S ONLY A FEW THAT GET OUT THERE THAT TELL YOU HOW TO BUILD A WATCH WHEN YOU ONLY WANT TO KNOW WHAT TIME IT IS.
WON'T GO INTO IDENTIFYING WHO. THOSE ARE THE ONES, I DON'T KNOW, IF WE WANT TO TRY TO REEL THEM IN OR CURB THEIR
ENTHUSIASM. >> ONE THOUGHT THE CHAIR ALWAYS HAS THE ABILITY TO SAY, OKAY, PLEASE COME TO THE POINT, AND LET'S MOVE ON.
>> I HAVE ONE OTHER QUESTION FOR RALPH AND FOR BILL BECAUSE I WAS IN THAT -- THAT SAME PRESENTATION WITH THE EX PARTE, AND EVEN, BETH, YOU MAY BE ABLE TO CHIME IN AS WELL. I KNOW THERE WAS A PART ACTUALLY GOING TO SEE LOCATIONS.
AND WHEN THE FEEDBACK CAME FROM THE CROWD, AND I THINK ONE OR TWO OF THE PRESENTERS EVEN SAID THEY DIDN'T THINK IT WAS A GOOD IDEA TO DO THAT. ARE WE GOING TO HAVE ANY, LIKE, POSITION ON WHETHER WE SHOULD BE, SHOULDN'T BE? IF WE DO, DO WE HAVE TO COME FORTH AND SAY WE WENT AND WE SAW THIS PARTICULAR --
>> I THINK YOU HAVE TO DISCLOSE IT, BUT IT'S NOT PART OF WHAT I PUT TOGETHER, AND IT'S NOT DEALT WITH DIRECTLY IN THE OTHER JURISDICTIONS THAT WERE JUST SORT OF MODELING.
BUT I THINK THE BIG ISSUE THERE IS JUST LIKE AN EX PARTE COMMUNICATION, IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S INFLUENCED YOU OR PREJUDICED YOU SO YOU CAN'T MAKE A DECISION ON WHAT'S BEING PRESENTED TO YOU, THEN YOU NEED TO DISCLOSE IT.
>> AND I THINK THAT ONE'S A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A FINE LINE BECAUSE -- OR A GRAY AREA BECAUSE SOMETIMES THE STUFF THAT WE GET ARE PARCELS I DRIVE BY AS PART OF A DAILY THING.
THERE'S OTHERS THAT I WOULD CERTAINLY HAVE TO GO OUT
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OF MY WAY TO SEE.AND I THINK AT THAT SEMINAR IT WAS MORE DISCUSSION, JOE, ABOUT PURPOSELY GOING -- LIKE GOING TO SEE A SITE, PARKING YOUR CAR, GETTING OUT, WALKING AROUND AND THAT KIND OF THING. I THINK THAT'S WAY DIFFERENT THAN JUST DOING A DRIVE BY TO LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR
SOMETHING. >> IT'S PROBABLY MORE IF YOU'RE DOING YOUR OWN INVESTIGATION ANDCRYING YOUR OWN EVIDENCE VERSUS ON RELYING WHAT EITHER THE APPLICANT OR STAFF HAS --
>> I THINK THAT WAS EXACTLY THE POINT THEY WERE
MAKING. >> ALSO IF YOU DO GO TO THE SITE AND YOU DO REVEAL THAT YOU'VE BEEN TO THE SITE, YOU DON'T PROVIDE ANY DETAILS AS TO WHAT YOU SAW AT THE SITE BECAUSE THEN YOU'RE TESTIFYING ON BEHALF OF --
>> THAT'S MORE OF KIND OF WHERE I WAS GOING WITH THE QUESTION. WHAT DO WE NEED TO DISCLOSE IF WE SAY THAT, YES, WE WENT AND SAW THE SITE.
AND THAT WAS IT, WE DON'T DO ANYTHING ELSE BECAUSE IT THEN BECOMES TESTIMONY.
>> HORRIBLE TO GET IN AND OUT. THERE'S TOO MUCH TRAFFIC.
>> ALL RIGHT, I DID WANT TO MAKE ONE COMMENT.
THERE WERE ACTUALLY TWO PRESENTATIONS THAT DEALT WITH THIS TOPIC. THE ETHICS AND PLANNING BY MR. BISHOP ALSO HAS A SECTION ON EX PARTE COMMUNICATIONS. SO IT WASN'T JUST THE ONE BY THE LAWYERS.
>> THAT'S THE ONE THAT I WAS PART OF.
I HAD TO LEAVE BEFORE THE ATTORNEYS CAME.
>> KELLY HAS SENT US ALL THE MATERIALS, AND I READ BOTH OF THEM, SO IF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN THIS TOPIC, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT YOU LOOK AT BOTH.
IS THERE ANYMORE DISCUSSION ON THIS
>> WELL, I'VE GOT ONE LAST COMMENT ON
IT. >> I LIKE TO GO TO THE SITE AND AND AROUND ON IT ESPECIALLY IF IT'S PARTICULARLY CONTENTIOUS BECAUSE YOU CAN'T -- THE INFORMATION WE'RE GETTING, I MEAN WE GET A PICTURE OF THIS. BUT IF YOU GET OUTSIDE THE PARAMETER ON WHAT'S ON THIS 8 1/2 BY 11 PIECE OF PAPER, IT MAKES THE DECISION A LOT MORE DIFFICULT. BUT I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT YOU'RE INDICATING THAT, OKAY, I CAN GO AND I CAN LOOK AT IT, BUT I'VE GOT TO KEEP IT A SECRET.
I FEAR THAT I MIGHT BE EXCUSED OF BEING IN THE POCKET OF THE APPLICANT, EITHER YES OR NO OR THOSE SORTS OF THINGS. IS THAT WHAT
WE'RE SAYING? >> NO, YOU CAN'T KEEP IT A SECRET YOU WENT AND VISITED.
>> I'M TALKING ABOUT MY ANALYSIS OF WHAT I SAW AS TO WHETHER OR NOT IT WAS BONIFIED THAT THIS IS A REAL
CONCERN. >> WELL, IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE USING AS EVIDENCE, I MEAN, TO COME TO YOUR CONCLUSION THAT WAS NOT PRESENTED BY THE APPLICANT OR BY STAFF, THEN THAT WOULD BE PROBLEMATIC BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT ENTITLED TO RELY ON THAT FOR YOUR DECISION.
>> OKAY, SO IF IT INVOLVES POTENTIALLY TESTIMONY, MUMS THE WORD?
ELSE? >> WHAT HAPPENS IF HE HAS AN OPINION THAT HE WANTS TO SHARE WITH US ABOUT THAT? IF HE GOES TO THAT SITE AND HE WANTS TO SHARE THAT OPINION WITH US, WE HAVE TO DO IT IN --
>> I THINK THAT WOULD BE REFLECTED IN MY VOTE.
>> OR AS LONG AS -- DEPENDING ON WHAT THE ISSUE IS, IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT IS DISCUSSED AND PRESENTED THROUGH ALL THE DIFFERENT TESTIMONY THAT'S BEEN PRESENTED HERE, IT'LL COME OUT IN YOUR DISCUSSION.
>> IS DISCUSSION THE SAME -- IS DISCUSSION THE SAME AS BEING TESTIMONIAL IN THAT?
>> NO, BECAUSE HE'LL BE DISCUSSING WHAT WAS PRESENTED. IF IT DOESN'T COME UP AT ALL IN WHAT IS PRESENTED AND NO EVIDENCE EXCEPT FOR HIS SITE VISIT -- I'M TRYING TO THINK OF AN
EXAMPLE. >> SO AN EXAMPLE IS IF HE CLOSES THE PUBLIC HEARING AND BRINGS IT BACK FOR DISCUSSION BEFORE WE VOTE, CAN THAT COME OUT THEN? AND IS THAT TESTIMONY?
>> IF IT HAS NOT -- IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S UNIQUE THAT YOU SAW ON YOUR SITE VISIT THAT DID NOT COME UP, RIGHT, BY ANYBODY ELSE, THEN NO, BECAUSE HE'S TESTIFYING TO SOMETHING THAT'S NOT IN EVIDENCE, THAT NOBODY ELSE PRESENTED.
>> IT SORT OF SOUNDS LIKE TO ME THAT THE COMMISSION IS NOT TO RAISE ANY ISSUE THAT HASN'T BEEN RAISED BY EITHER THE APPLICANT OR
>> YEAH. IF IT ISN'T ALREADY AN ISSUE WHEN WE BRING IT BACK FOR CONSIDERATION, WE ARE NOT TO RAISE
IT. >> WHICH KIND OF MAKES THE GUY'S POINT OF DON'T GO OUT THERE.
>> DRIVING BY AND GETTING OUT AND WALKING AROUND AND ALL THAT IS TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.
I DON'T KNOW, IT WAS JUST INTERESTING.
AGAIN, IT WAS JUST A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE. I WANT TO BE AS INFORMED AS
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POSSIBLE, GO ONLINE, DO SOME RESEARCH, BE READY TO ROCKROCK ROLL AND PRESENT THE CASE TO YOU AND DECIDE BASED ON THAT.AND THIS WHOLE IDEA OF THIS BEING GRAY, HERE WE ARE, THIS IS KIND OF GRAY.
DON'T. >> AND THE LINES ARE EVEN MORE BLURRED WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT A LAND USE AND A ZONING CHANGE BECAUSE YOU CAN PRETTY MUCH DO WHATEVER YOU WANT FOR A LAND USE. SO IF THEY'RE SEEKING TO DO BOTH, I MEAN --
>> WELL, THANK YOU. AND I THINK, RALPH, YOU SAID YOU HAD ANOTHER --
>> I JUST WANTED TO REMIND EVERYBODY THAT WITH THE REAPPOINTMENTS AND ALL, IT LOOKS LIKE THIS IS THE BOARD FOR THE NEXT YEAR.
SO FEBRUARY IS TRADITIONALLY OUR REORGANIZATION MONTH AT THE END OF THE MEETING.
MARY'S DONE TWO YEARS AND WE HAD A POLICY WE PUT IN PLACE THAT SAID THAT WAS IT, SO YOU'VE GOT TO THINK ABOUT IT BEFORE NEXT MONTH IF YOU'RE WILLING TO STEP UP TO BE THE CHAIR. AND THEN THE REST OF US HAVE GOT TO THINK ABOUT WHO WANTS TO VOLUNTEER TO BE THE VICE -- VICE CHAIR. WE DON'T NEED TO MAKE THAT DECISION TONIGHT, BUT WE KNOW THAT WE HAVE TO MAKE A CHANGE NEXT MONTH. AND EVERYBODY -- BO, I THINK -- I'LL SHARE SOMETHING BECAUSE HE'S GOT IMPORTANT WORK COMING UP FOR ROTOR. HE'S NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT KIND OF STUFF, AND EVERYBODY ELSE HAS BEEN IN THAT SEAT EXCEPT FOR BILL.
>> EXCEPT BILL. I WAS GOING TO SAY THAT.
IN ALL SERIOUSNESS, I'M WILLING TO BE A TEAM PLAYER. SO WHATEVER -- I DON'T MIND BEING A TEAM PLAYER.
>> SOME PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, BEING IN THAT CHAIR AND SOME DON'T. IT'S NOT REALLY THAT KIND OF THING. IT'S -- I'VE ALWAYS FELT ANYBODY THAT'S INTERESTED IN IT SHOULD VERBALIZE, HEY, I'D LIKE TO BE CONSIDERED TO DO THIS SO EVERYBODY ELSE KNOWS. SO
THAT'S WHY. >> IT'S A NO ONE ELSE WANTS TO DO IT KIND OF A THING.
>> NO, I DON'T. AGAIN, I'M NOT GOING TO SHIRK MY RESPONSIBILITY BEING A GOOD BOARD MEMBER, BUT BY THE SAME TOKEN I DON'T WANT THE ADDITIONAL
RESPONSIBILITY. >> THERE'S NO OBLIGATION TO DO IT. JOE'S BEEN CHAIR, MIKE'S BEEN CHAIR, I'VE BEEN CHAIR. SO IT MIGHT COME DOWN TO US AGAIN IN THE NEXT ROTATION.
>> WITHOUT JUMPING AHEAD TO NEXT MONTH, IF WE WERE TO LOOK TWO YEARS DOWN THE LINE, THEN THAT WOULD PROBABLY WORK WITH MY SCHEDULE TO BE CHAIR AT THAT
POINT. >> WHEN IS YOUR TERM UP,
2027. >> NOT YOUR ROTARY, I'M TALKING ABOUT THIS APPOINTMENT.
>> SO THIS YEAR YOU'LL BE RE-UPPING IF YOU WANT TO STAY IN?
>> AND THEN WHEN IS YOUR DISTRICT GOVERNOR
YEAR? >> DISTRICT GOVERNOR YEAR IS JULY OF '26 TO END OF JUNE '27.
>> SO BETWEEN NOW AND THEN IT'S GOING TO BE -- JUST GETS BUSIER AND BUSIER.
>> IT DOES GET BIZ. YEAH, IT DOES AND IT
ACCELERATES. >> IN YOUR GOVERNOR YEAR YOU'RE GOING TO BE TRAVELING ALL OVER THE DISTRICT.
>> THAT'S RIGHT. SO IF THAT WAS THE YEAR THAT I BECAME CHAIR, THE FACT THAT THERE'S SO MUCH CHAIR EXPERIENCE ON THIS BOARD, PROVIDING IT'S SAFE I MAY JUST COME TO YOU AND SAY CAN YOU HANDLE A MEETING? JUST BEING BLUNT.
>> THAT'S WHAT YOUR VICE IS FOR.
>> I'VE GOT ONE MORE YEAR ON MY TERM BEFORE I HAVE TO FILE AGAIN.
>> ME AND MARY -- WERE YOU THE OTHER
REAPPOINTMENT, MIKE? >> YEAH, THEY JUST REAPPOINTED
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WITH THE OTHER FOUR. WHAT A WEALTH OFARE THERE OTHER ITEMS OF OLDER NEW BUSINESS WE NEED TO CONSIDER TONIGHT? SEEING NONE, I'M GOING TO OPEN OUR FINAL PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD. MR. DANIELS, IF YOU WANT TO TALK AGAIN, YOU'RE WELCOME BUT I THINK WE PRETTY WELL COVERED THAT.
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DANIELS -- WELL, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT.WE'RE ALL VOLUNTEERS. WE'RE APPOINTED BY THE COUNTY COMMISSION. SO LIKE YOURSELF WE ARE CITIZENS OF THIS COUNTY THAT CARE ABOUT IT, AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE. SO THANK YOU.
SO OUR NEXT PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING IS SCHEDULED FOR TUESDAY, FEBRUARY 4TH,
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