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[16. Public Hearing on Petition and adoption of an Ordinance creating the Anabelle Sandridge Community Development District (District 5, Comm. Burke) (C. Grimm)]

WANT YOUR ITEM 22 AT THIS TIME. MOVING FORWARD, WE ARE AT ITEM NUMBER 16. THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING ON PETITION AND ADOPTION OF AN ORDINANCE CREATING THE ANABELLE SANDRIDGE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT . THIS IS IN DISTRICT FIVE, COMMISSIONER BURKE'S DISTRICT. PRESENTING TONIGHT -- WE HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE HERE FOR THE APPLICANT? YOU HAVE A

PRESENTATION? >> AT EVENING, COMMISSIONERS.

MY NAME IS JENNIFER: SKI. MY PARTNER WAS HERE BEFORE YOU ON ANOTHER MATTER A MONTH AGO AND I AM PLEASED TO DISCUSS WITH YOU TONIGHT THE CONSIDERATION OF THE ESTABLISHMENT OF THE ANABELLE SANDRIDGE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT AS YOU ALL ARE AWARE THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING ON ESTABLISHMENT AND PURSUANT TO CHAPTER 190 OF THE FLORIDA STATUTE ANY DISTRICT UNDER 2500 ACRES MUST BE CONSIDERED FOR ESTABLISHMENT BY LOCAL JURISDICTIONS. IN THIS CASE, CLAY COUNTY. THE PROVISIONS THAT ARE BEFORE YOU THERE IS UNDER 190 002 WHICH IS WHY CHAPTER 190 WAS ESTABLISHED, TO PROVIDE FOR THE LONG-TERM MAINTENANCE OF PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS AND HELP WITH COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT FACILITATION IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA. FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT IT IS ANABELLE SANDRIDGE. APPROXIMATELY $30 MILLION OF PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT PROPOSED. YOU SEE THERE IS STORMWATER MANAGEMENT, ROADWAYS, LANDSCAPING IRRIGATION, COMMON AREAS, AMENITIES AND HARD SCAPE. OTHERS UNDER CHAPTER 190 OF FLORIDA STTUTE. YOU SEE THE LAND PLANNED THERE. ABOUT THE ANIMAL ISLAND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT OFF OF STANDRIDGE ROAD. THE UNDERPINNINGS UNDER CHAPTER 190 IS THERE ARE LEGISLATIVE FINDINGS REGARDING SPECIAL DISTRICTS THAT THEY ARE THE COST-EFFECTIVE SOLUTION TO THE INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT. AGAIN, THIS IS NOT A ZONING MATTER WHICH IS WHY FOLKS WANT SWORN IN FOR THIS MATTER. THIS IS JUST TO DETERMINE THE BEST ALTERNATIVE FOR COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT OF THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN APPROVED BY THE COUNTY IN TERMS OF ZONING FOR THE UNDERLYING PROJECT. BUT ALSO, IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO KNOW ON CDD THE PUBLIC INTEREST IS SERVED BY HAVING THE PUBLIC TRANSPARENCY INVOLVED WITH COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DISTRICTS. THEY ARE UNITS OF GOVERNMENT FOR ALL PRACTICAL PURPOSES WHICH MEANS THEY ARE SUBJECT TO THINGS LIKE SUNSHINE LAW AND PUBLIC RECORDS LAW AND THE TURNOVER TO RESIDENT BOARD MEMBERS HAPPENS MUCH FASTER THAN WITH AN HLA OR PRIVATE DEVELOPER. THAT HAPPENS AT SIX YEARS AND 250 REGISTERED VOTERS RATHER THAN HAPPENING AT 90% BUILDOUT OR LONGER. IT IS ALSO IN THE PUBLIC INTEREST TO HAVE THE SINGLE COORDINATED ENTITY. I KNOW WE TALKED TO ALL BEFORE, BUT IT BEARS REMINDING THAT THE WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICTS OF THE STATE ROUTINELY CONTACT US AND REALLY PREFER THERE IS CDD IN PLACE FOR LONG-TERM MAINTENANCE OF STORMWATER FACILITIES. YOU MAY KNOW THE LEGISLATURE REQUIRED A STATEWIDE REPORT A FEW WEEKS AGO OF ALL STORMWATER FACILITIES. I BELIEVE CLAY COUNTY HAD TO FACILITATE THAT REPORT AND ALL OF OUR DISTRICT CLIENTS HAD TO ALSO. THE IDEA IS THAT IS A SIGNIFICANT CONCERN OF THE STATE, MAKING SURE STORMWATER IS DEALT WITH.

AND HAVING A LONG-TERM GOVERNMENTAL ENTITY BE THE PURVEYOR OF THAT MANAGEMENT SYSTEM IS DEFINITELY A CHIEF CONCERN FOR THE STATE AND FOR RESIDENTS THAT LIVE WITHIN THESE COMMUNITIES. SOME CDD KEY ADVANTAGES WE WOULD LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT IS THAT GENERALLY SPEAKING CDD'S ARE HIGHER-QUALITY PROJECTS. ONE OF THE REASONS FOR THAT IS A DISTRICT HAS THE ABILITY TO ACCESS THE TAX-EXEMPT BOND MARKET. JUST AS THE COUNTY ISSUES BONDS FOR PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT AND WASTEWATER FACILITIES AND THE LIKE SO TOO CAN A DISTRICT -- AND THE BENEFIT TO RESIDENTS IS THAT GENERALLY PUSHES DOWN HOME PRICES BECAUSE YOU CAN AFFORD TO FINANCE SOME OF THESE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS OVER A 30 YEAR BOND AT AN INTEREST RATE RIGHT NOW BETWEEN FIVE AND 5 1/2% WHICH IS MUCH CHEAPER THAN PRIVATE MONEY. IT ALSO AFFORDS

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THE BENEFIT TO THE RESIDENTS BECAUSE YOU ONLY PAY THAT ASSESSMENT WHILE YOU LIVE IN THE HOME. RATHER THAN FRONTLOADING ON THE SALE OF A HOME YOU ARE ABLE TO PAY THAT JUST WHILE YOU LIVED THERE AND PASSED ON THROUGH TO THE NEXT OWNER. SO COSTS ARE SPREAD OVER TIME. AND FOR IMPROVEMENTS LIKE ROADWAYS WHICH CLAY COUNTY WANTS -- TO OWN ROADWAYS. A LOT OF CITIES AND COUNTIES WE WORK WITH ARE THE SAME WAYS. WHEN YOU GO TO DO CAPITAL RESERVE OR RESURFACE THAT ROADWAY IN 20 YEARS YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO ISSUE A TAX-EXEMPT NOTE AT A VERY LOW INTEREST RATE. USUALLY BILL OUT THREE TO 4%. MUCH MORE COST-EFFICIENT FOR CDD OWNERS. I AM SURE YOU ALL ARE WELL AWARE -- WE HEAR ABOUT IT ALL THE TIME, THE NEWS ON CONDOS AND HOAS WITH THE LEGISLATIVE CHANGE LAST YEAR WHICH REQUIRES IS LARGE CAPITAL RESERVE BE FUNDED VERY QUICKLY. VERY DIFFICULT FOR CONDO OWNERS AND HLA MEMBERS YOU DON'T HAVE A CDD BECAUSE THEY ARE HAVING TO FORK UP THAT MONEY IN JUST ONE TO TWO YEARS. WE HAVE HEARD ROUTINELY MAYBE $10,000, SOMETIMES $100,000 . CONDO OWNER I TALKED TO YESTERDAY WAS $1 MILLION WHICH IS INSANE TO THINK ABOUT. BUT HERE YOU HAVE THE TAX-EXEMPT BOND MARKET HERE THAT WOULD NEVER HAPPEN IN THE DISTRICT. HE ALSO HAVE A VERY STABLE REVENUE SOURCE AND THAT CDD ASSESSMENTS ARE COLLECTED ON THE TAX ROLL AND THE LIEN IS COEQUAL WITH COUNTY AND CITY TAXES WHICH MEANS THAT FROM A DISTRICT PERSPECTIVE YOU ARE NOT CHASING FUNDS TO BE ABLE TO PAY FOR THINGS PLANNED. ALWAYS COLLECTED 100% ON THE TAX ROLL AND IF SOMEONE DOESN'T PAY THEIR ASSESSMENT THERE IS TAX CERTIFICATE ISSUED IN THE CDD IS ALMOST ALWAYS MADE WHOLE.

ALSO GENERALLY HAVE HIGHER PROPERTY VALUES WHICH IS GREAT FOR HOMEOWNERS. ALSO GREAT FOR THE COUNTY. IN THE CDD MONEY IS HELD IN TRUST. WE OFTEN GET ASKED ABOUT THE DEVELOPERS ROLLED IN THE EARLY STAGE OF THE DISTRICT. THEY DON'T GET A HOLD ANY OF THE MONEY ISSUED IN A TAX-EXEMPT MARKET. IT IS HELD BY A TRUST ACCOUNT. ONLY REALLY TWO QUALIFIED DEPOSITORIES FOR CDD .. AND THE DEVELOPERS HAVE NO CONTROL OVER THAT MONEY WHATSOEVER. AGAIN, RESIDENTS HAVE A STAKE IN THE COMMUNITY.

WE CAME FROM A BOARD MEETING IN CLAY COUNTY EARLIER TODAY WHERE WE HAD A LOT OF RESIDENT PARTICIPATION EXPRESSING WHAT THEY WANTED JUST LIKE CONSTITUENTS DO HERE. IT IS A VERY ACTIVE WAY TO PLAY A ROLE IN YOUR COMMUNITY RIGHT FROM THE OUTSET. SOME HIGHLIGHTS OF CDD VERSUS H AWAY. THESE ARE THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN TALKED ABOUT ON THE LAST SLIDE, BUT INFRASTRUCTURE COSTS SPREAD OVER TIME WHICH IS A HUGE ADVANTAGE FROM A FINANCIAL PERSPECTIVE. THERE ARE ALSO FUTURE COST SAVINGS. DISTRICTS HAVE THE ABILITY TO BUY MATERIALS DIRECT AND SAVE TAX ON THEM. SOMETIMES IT IS SMALL SAVINGS, BUT SOMETIMES PRETTY EXTENSIVE SAVINGS. THERE IS DEFAULT PROTECTION. MONEY IS IN A BANK TRUST OF STATE. LOTS OF INTERESTED PARTIES IN THE STATE SUCCESSFUL OUTCOME. TALKED ABOUT THE TAXABLE COLLECTION. WE REPRESENT A NUMBER OF LARGE MASTER PLANS. AND WE DO HAVE ON OCCASION SLIP AND FALLS A HAPPEN WHETHER UNINTENTIONALLY OR INTENTIONALLY A NICE DINNER WAS A COMMUNITY RESIDENT YOU ARE PROTECTED UNDER SOVEREIGN IMMUNITY'S YOU ARE NOT PAYING A MASSIVE BILL. YOU ARE TAPPED BY THIS LIMIT. TURNOVER GRANTS. ALL OF THE SAME CHALLENGES, BUT A UNIT OF GOVERNMENT HAS A LEG UP. THERE IS A TON OF ACCOUNTABILITY AND TRANSPARENCY THAT YOU JUST DON'T SEE IN AN HLA. THIS IS JUST A GENERAL ANALYSIS BETWEEN CDD M MSB YOU AS AN ALTERNATIVE. A LOT OF THE BENEFIT FROM THE COUNTY'S PERSPECTIVE IS THAT THE CDD IS INDEPENDENT UNIT OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT WE ARE NOT HAVING TO CONTINUE TO ADMINISTER THE SERVICES. YOU ARE REALLY DELEGATING THAT AUTHORITY TO THE RESIDENTS THAT DECIDE TO BUY IN THERE. WE DO GET QUESTIONS FREQUENTLY ON DEBT I KNEW WHAT I WAS BUYING INTO. I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT SOME OF THE CDD TRANSPARENCY REQUIREMENTS UNDER STATE AND FEDERAL LAW. FOR EXAMPLE, THERE HAS TO BE A VERY LARGE 14 FONT BOLD IN CAPS DISCLOSURE REGARDING THAT YOU ARE BUYING IN A CDD. I KNOW NOW WE HAVE CDD ADDENDUM'S THAT HAVE A CAP ON WHAT AN END-USER'S ASSESSMENT MAY BE.

THERE IS REQUIRED PUBLIC WEBSITE WITH ALL KINDS OF INFORMATION ON IT FROM MEETING MINUTES, DATES, FINANCIALS, TWO

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YEARS OF AUDITS, ANNUAL BUDGETS. DISTRICTS THAT I HEARD A COMMENT EARLIER OF THE SUNSHINE LAW. ALL DISTRICT SUPERVISORS ARE ALSO SUBJECT TO THAT SO ALL OF THE PUBLIC DISCUSSION AROUND CDD INFRASTRUCTURE HAPPENS IN SUNSHINE MEETINGS. PUBLIC HEARINGS ARE ADVERTISED, DIRECT-MAIL NOTICE TO RESIDENTS FOR THINGS LIKE BUDGET AND ASSESSMENT HEARINGS. MINUTES OF EACH MEETING ARE KEPT AND POSTED. PUBLIC PROCUREMENT LAWS GOVERNED, JUST LIKE YOURS.

ANYTHING OVER CATEGORY TWO OR FIVE HAS TO BE PUBLICLY PROCURED . THERE IS A RECORDED NOTICE OF ESTABLISHMENT, REPORTED DISCLOSURES OF CLIENTS IN THE PUBLIC RECORD TO COME UP WITH TITLE . RECORDED NOTICES OF ASSESSMENTS. AUDITS BY AN INDEPENDENT AUDITOR HAVE TO BE DONE EACH YEAR. PUBLIC DEPOSITORY REPORTS ARE ALSO FILED WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF FINANCIAL SERVICES. THE COUNTY STILL RETAINS ALL MATTERS, ALL JURISDICTION RELATED TO LAND USE, ZONING, AND POLICE. THE DISTRICTS ARE LIMITED. SPECIAL-PURPOSE GOVERNMENT THAT IS REALLY AROUND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT IN FLORIDA. SO IT HAS LIMITED AUTHORITY. APPROVING THE CDD DOES NOT APPROVE ZONING OR ENTITLEMENT. REALLY JUST OVERLAY JURISDICTION TO PROVIDE THAT TAX-EXEMPT FINANCING. CDD MUST STILL COMPLY WITH ALL APPLICABLE LAWS. WE GET THAT QUESTION A LOT. ON STREET PARKING IN THAT KIND OF THING.

STILL HAVE TO COMPLY WITH ALL COUNTY ORDINANCE PERMITS AND CONDITIONS. NOTE THAT CAN BECOME THE DEBT OF THE COUNTY.

IF THERE IS A DEFAULT OR SOME OTHER CHANGE IN STATUE THE CDD THAT CANNOT BECOME THE . OF THE COUNTY. ONLY LOCATED WITHIN THE DISTRICT. NO ADMINISTRATIVE COST OF THE COUNTY OUTSIDE OF THOSE IN PROCESSING THE APPLICATION AND THERE IS A FILING FEE THE PETITIONER SUBMITTED WHEN IT FILED THE PETITION TO ESTABLISH THE DISTRICT. THE DISTRICT THAT IS NOT DISCLOSED IN THE COUNTY FINANCIAL STATEMENTS EITHER.

AGAIN, OVERALL RECAP OF SOME OF THE BENEFITS. IT IS A STABLE FINANCING PROJECT. THE WHOLE MECHANISM BEHIND THE PLAN IS FOR GROWTH TO PAY FOR ITSELF. CERTAINLY ONE OF THOSE FINDINGS WITHIN THE COMP PLAN. ALLOWS THE ON-SITE AND OFF-SITE PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE TO BE BUILT AND MAINTAINED A HIGH QUALITY LEVEL. NO FINANCIAL BURDEN ON ANYBODY OUTSIDE OF THE DISTRICT SO FOLKS KNOW FROM A DISCLOSURE PERSPECTIVE THEY BUY IN AND MAKE THAT CHOICE PEOPLE OUTSIDE OF THE DISTRICT CAN'T BE ASSESSED FOR IMPROVEMENTS WITHIN THE CDD. OFF-SITE IMPROVEMENTS AND LOCAL AGREEMENTS CAN BE ENTERED INTO.

THAT IS A POSSIBILITY HERE FOR PROJECTS ADJACENT TO THIS ONE.

IT IS NICE TO KNOW YOU COULD HAVE AN INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT TO PROVIDE JOINT FUNDING FOR ONGOING PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE.

THE BENEFITS I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT A LOT. LIABILITY SHIELD, ACCESS TO TAX-EXEMPT BONDS FOR REPRESENTATIVE DISTRICTS ESTABLISHED IN THE 90S AND IT HAS BEEN INTERESTING TO SEE THE CYCLE WHERE WE NOW HAVE VERY MUCH AGING INFRASTRUCTURE, REFURBISHMENT OF AMENITY CENTERS, A LOT OF ROADWAYS BEING RESURFACED. OTHER FACILITIES THAT ARE 20 YEARS OLD THAT NEED TO BE COMPLETELY RESTRUCTURED. A LOT OF EROSION AFTER 20 OR 30 YEARS. WE HAVE RESIDENT BOARDS ISSUING BONDS BECAUSE IT IS SO MUCH CHEAPER THAN BORROWING MONEY OR OTHERWISE DOING A SPECIAL ASSESSMENT TO MANAGE LONG-TERM MAINTENANCE OF CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT. THE BEST EXAMPLE I HAVE STASHED ASSOCIATE $50 MILLION OF BONDS TO DO A NEW AMENITY CENTER. THAT IS ALWAYS AN OPTION AND THAT IS A NICE ONE TO HAVE AS A RESIDENT OF THE COMMUNITY KNOWING YOU HAVE MEANS TO PAY FOR WHAT YOU ARE ENJOYING TODAY. THESE ARE THE ESTABLISHMENT CRITERIA UNDER CHAPTER 190. THESE ARE THE SIX SET FORTH IN STATUTE. WE DID SUBMIT PREFILED TESTIMONY IN A TABLE OF TESTIMONY THAT SHOWED WHERE ALL OF THESE ESTABLISHMENT CRITERIA ARE MET. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OF THE COMMISSION. HAPPY TO BE HERE BEFORE YOU

TONIGHT. >> THANK YOU. DOES ANYBODY HAVE

ANY QUESTIONS? >> I JUST HAVE ONE JUST FOR INFO. DID THE LEGISLATION JUST PASSED CONCERNING CONDOS RESEARCH STUDY -- DOES NOT APPLY?

>> IT DOES NOT. >> OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY. THANK YOU. I WILL NOW OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. IF THERE IS ANYBODY HERE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM SUBMITTED TO THE BOARD A PETITION TO ESTABLISH THE ANABELLE SANDRIDGE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT WITHIN APPROXIMATELY 200 ACRE TRACK

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SITUATED SOLELY WITHIN UNINCORPORATED CLAY COUNTY .

CNN I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND BRING IT BACK TO THE BOARD. SEEING NINE I WILL CLOSE A PUBLIC HEARING AND BRING IT BACK TO THE BOARD. TO MAKE A MOVE APPROVAL.

>> SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. ANY POST? MOTION CARRIES, 5-0. WE APPRECIATE THAT PRESENTATION. IT WENT A BIT LONG. I WOULD LIKE TO REMIND THE APPLICANT THAT WE ASK THAT YOU KEEP YOUR PRESENTATIONS TO ABOUT FIVE MINUTES. WE WANT TO GIVE YOU YOUR DUE PROCESS, BUT THE CURRENT BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS RULES SAY ABOUT FIVE MINUTES. AND THEN THE RESIDENTS HAVE THREE MINUTES

[17. Public Hearing to consider transmittal of COMP 24-0023. (B. Carson)]

AND YOU HAVE YOUR REBUTTAL PERIOD. ANYWAY, THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION AND WE APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE THIS AFTERNOON. ITEM NUMBER 17, THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER TRANSMITTAL OF COMP 24-00 23. YOU'LL HEAR THAT THIS

AFTERNOON FROM MS. CARSON. >> GOOD AFTERNOON. PLANNING COMMISSION GRANTED THIS APPLICATION A CONTINUANCE TO THE JANUARY 7TH MEETING. WE REQUEST BOARD MEETING BE

CONTINUED TO JANUARY 28TH. >> IT WOULD BE INAPPROPRIATE FOR US TO HEAR OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS IT -- OKAY. WHEN HE DISTILLED TO THE PUBLIC HEARING? OKAY. THAT BEING SAID, THIS IS A TEXT AMENDMENT TO LA TRA POLICY 1.2.5 TO ESTABLISH TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENT AREA AND STIPULATE CERTAIN CONDITIONS UNDER WHICH A SUBDIVISION MOMENT OF GREATER THAN 100 HOMES MAY PROCEED. IS THERE ANYONE HERE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK WHO CAME TO SPEAK ON ITEM NUMBER 17? SEEING NINE I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND BRING IT BACK TO THE BOARD.

>> I MOVED TO CONTINUE TO JANUARY 28TH.

>> MOTION IN A SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE

[18. Final Public Hearing to Consider adoption of PUD 24-0006. (District 1, Comm. Sgromolo) (J. Bryla)]

IN FAVOR SAY AYE. THOSE OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES, 5-0.

THANK YOU. NOW WE ARE AND ITEM NUMBER 18 WHICH I WOULD IMAGINE BASED ON THE STACK HERE MOST OF YOU ARE HERE FOR. THIS ITEM WAS CONTINUED FROM THE NOVEMBER 5TH PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING.

THIS APPLICATION IS A REZONING TO CHANGE 62.64 ACRES FROM AGRICULTURAL RESIDENTIAL TO PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT. . WE WILL HEAR FROM MS. BRYLA .

>> THANK YOU. I BELIEVE, CHAIR, THAT THE APPLICANT HAS A PRESENTATION AS WELL. WE CAN GO AHEAD AND LOOK AT HIS PRESENTATION OR I CAN GIVE YOU ONE.

>> WHICHEVER YOU PREFER. >> THANK YOU, MS. BRYLA, MADAM CHAIR. ALEX --, 75661 BLACKBIRD DRIVE YULEE, FLORIDA, 32097 ON BEHALF OF --. GOOD EVENING, COMMISSION. APPRECIATE YOUR TIME TODAY LETTING ME PRESENT THIS MATTER. WE ARE HERE INTRODUCING THE PROPOSED FLEMING ISLAND PRESERVE PUD. A BIT OF BACKGROUND ABOUT OUR COMPANY, WE ARE PROBABLY FAMILY OWNED AND OPERATED PRIVATE HOMEBUILDER. FOUNDED IN 1972 BY WILLIAM J WOLF. STILL LED TODAY BY HIS SON, RON WOLF. OVER 50 YEARS EXPERIENCE IN HOME BUILDING. RON IS DEDICATED TO GRITTING QUALITY HOMES THAT SERVE AS A FOUNDATION FOR STRONG COMMUNITIES AND CHERISHED FAMILY MEMORIES. WE HAVE A PERSONALIZED APPROACH TO HOME BUILDING. WE HAVE CLIENTS IN EVERY STEP OF THE HOME BUILDING PROCESS AND OPERATE ACROSS SEVERAL STATES ON THE EAST COAST. WE BUILT A FOUNDATION OF TRUST, QUALITY CRAFTSMANSHIP, AND GENUINE PASSION FOR HELPING FAMILIES PERFECT THEIR HOME. ON THE NEXT SLIDE, THE PURPOSE OF THIS PRESENTATION, WE WILL BE PRESENTING THE PUD 24 0006 APPLICATION. MORE IMPORTANTLY, WE WILL ADDRESS A COUPLE CONCERNS WE'VE HEARD IN THE PAST RELATING TO TRAFFIC AND THE ANTICIPATED IMPACT AND MITIGATION WE ARE PROPOSING. WE ARE ALSO GOING TO GO OVER THE ZONING COPPELL ABILITY AND ALIGNMENT WITH EXISTING REGULATIONS. ULTIMATELY WE ARE SEEKING THE BOARD SUPPORT. WE

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WILL DISCUSS OUR WILLINGNESS TO COLLABORATE WITH THE CRIMINALITY -- COMMUNITY AND THE COUNTY. ON THE NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE, WE ARE SEEKING IS TO REZONE AN ASSEMBLAGE OF FIVE PARCELS THAT TOTAL APPROXIMATELY 23 ACRES FROM AGRICULTURAL RESIDENTIAL TO PUD. THIS IS WITHIN THE EXISTING FUTURE LAND USE OF RURAL -- PROPOSING 166 UNIT SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION WITH A DENSITY OF 3.48 ACRES -- SORRY 2.48 UNITS PER ACRE. THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH THE RURAL FRENCH LAND-USE WHICH ALLOWS A MINIMUM OF ONE UNIT PER ACRE, MAXIMUM OF THREE UNITS PER ACRE. EVEN SOME INSTANCES WHERE IF YOU ARE PROPOSING AFFORDABLE HOUSING OR SENIOR TARGETING HOUSING THAT GOES UPWARDS OF SEVEN PER ACRE.

WHAT WE'VE GOT IN THE SITE PLAN -- AND WE'VE HAD A BIT OF A HISTORY HERE. WE CAME BEFORE THE DRC AND HEARD FROM THE PUBLIC THERE. WE PRESENTED 179 LOTS INITIALLY. WE HEARD THE PUBLIC WAS NOT OKAY WITH THAT. STAFF WASN'T NECESSARILY HAPPY WITH IT. WE HAD CONCERNS RELATED TO TRAFFIC. WE DECIDED TO PUMP THE BRAKES, REAL BACK. WE REDUCE THE LOT COUNT BY 23 LOTS AND INTRODUCED A NEW SITE PLAN OF THE HUNDRED AND 56 LOTS. WE STILL DID NOT SATISFY THE STAFF REPORT. THEY WERE RECOMMENDING DENIAL OF THAT APPLICATION. SO WE MET WITH STAFF AND WORKED EVEN MORE. WE SATISFIED AND MET EVERY CRITERIA ACCEPT WE WERE NOT EXCEEDING THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE CONVENTIONAL ZONING DISTRICT WHICH WOULD THEN WARRANT THE PUD. SO THE WHOLE INTENT OF THE PUD IS TO GO ABOVE AND BEYOND THE CONVENTIONAL ZONING DISTRICT.

AFTER WORKING WITH STAFF WE DECIDED TO INTEGRATE ENHANCED LANDSCAPING PLAN BEYOND CODE REQUIREMENTS. WHAT WE'VE DONE IS WE ARE BRINGING TO HAVE TREEPLANTING EVERY 30 FEET ON CENTER AS OPPOSED TO THE REQUIRED 50 FEET. ESSENTIALLY DOUBLING THE AMOUNT OF TREEPLANTING. WE'VE ALSO INCORPORATED A 20 FOOT WIDE LANDSCAPE BUFFER AROUND THE ENTIRE PERIMETER OF THE SITE. WE HAVE PULLED ALL OF THE DEVELOPMENT OUT OF THE FLOOD ZONE WHICH YOU CAN SEE IN THE PICTURE HERE. THE FLOOD ZONE IS SORT OF THE JAGGED LINE YOU SEE OFF TO THE LEFT. IT CUTS THROUGH THE COMPENSATORY STORAGE POND. YOU CAN BUILD WITHIN THE FLOOD ZONE BUT WE'VE HEARD OUR NEIGHBORS TO THE SOUTHEAST THERE ARE FLOOD RISK ISSUES AND WE ARE DOING OUR PART TO TRY TO MITIGATE THAT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. WITH THAT, WE DIDN'T WANT TO JUST LEAVE THAT AS UNUSED LAND. WE ARE PROPOSING A DOG PARK AND A MULTIPURPOSE RECREATIONAL FIELD. THIS WILL ALLOW THE RESIDENTS TO USE IT AND IT WILL ALSO SERVE AS PERMEABLE GROUND FOR RAINFALL AND FLOOD RISK MITIGATION. WE ARE ALSO PROPOSING A PAVILION AND A PLAYGROUND. WE ARE ANTICIPATING PRESERVING A SPECIMEN LIVE OAK TREE . THE SELLER'S LATE HUSBAND AND FATHER SPENT A LOT OF TIME AT THIS TREE. THERE IS A LOT OF SENTIMENTAL VALUE WITH THIS TREE. YOU WILL SEE TOWARDS THE EASTERN CENTRAL SIDE OF THE SITE WE WILL PRESERVE ARCHERY AND MAKE A MEMORIAL PARK FOR THE SELLER'S LATE HUSBAND.

WITH THAT, WE ARE PROPOSING PRESERVATION OF STORM WATER MANAGEMENT WELL ABOVE REQUIREMENTS. WITH OUR CURRENT SITE PLAN WE HAVE 10.95 ACRES OF STORM WATER MANAGEMENT TOTALS ROUGHLY 20% OF THE NET ACREAGE OF THE SITE. WE ALSO HAVE 6.87 ACRES OF OPEN SPACE WHICH TOTALS 13% OF THE NET ACREAGE. WE ALSO HAVE A TOTAL OF 10 ACRES OF PRESERVED WETLANDS WHICH IS 16% OF THE GROSS ACREAGE. THE NEXT THING I WANT TO GO OVER IS THE ALIGNMENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. WE ARE DEMONSTRATING A STRONG ALIGNMENT WITH MULTIPLE PLANNING POLICIES, SPECIFICALLY FUTURE LAND USE POLICY 1.4.1.5 WHICH SUPPORTS RURAL FRENCH FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION. IT ALLOWS A MEDIUM DENSITY SINGLE-FAMILY HOUSING OF ONE DWELLING UNIT AND UPWARDS OF THREE DWELLING UNITS PER NET ACRE. ADDITIONALLY, HOUSING OBJECTIVE 1.1 AND POLICY 1.1.1 ADVOCATES FOR INFILL DEVELOPMENT. DIRECTS GROWTH TOWARDS AREAS OF EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE MUCH LIKE THIS. IT IS LOCATED WITHIN THE URBAN SERVICES AREA HAVING ALL ESSENTIAL SERVICES AND INFRASTRUCTURE TO SUPPORT IT. NEXT, THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE SECTION 3-03C --

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SYSTEM WITHIN YOUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE THAT ALLOWS YOU TO ACHIEVE THE MAXIMUM DENSITY OF THREE UNITS TO THE NET ACRE. AFTER YOU ACHIEVE A SCORE OF 80 POINTS IN ORDER TO GET THIS IT IS BASED ON PROXIMITY TO EMERGENCY SERVICES. MULTIMODAL BUS ROUTES. THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

OUR SCORE EXCEEDS 100 POINTS OF THE REQUIRED 80. WILL BEYOND THE REQUIRED 80 POINTS. ZONING COMPATIBILITY. I WANT TO DRAW ATTENTION TO THE ADJACENT PROPERTY. THE PROPERTY TO THE WEST WHICH IS ADMIRALS AND LET IS ZONED RESIDENTIAL D AND HAS A DENSITY OF THREE UNITS TO THE NET ACRE. DEVELOPED AT A HIGHER DENSITY THAN WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING. OUR PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT IS 2.4 UNITS TO THE ACRE. THE SURROUNDING ZONING OVERVIEW, NEARBY SUBDIVISIONS LIKE RIVERBEND, ADMIRALS INLET, OSPREY BLUFF HAVE CONSISTENT RULES FRINGE LAND USES AND CONSISTENT ZONING'S, AS WELL. THE PROJECT DOES NOT CREATE AN ISOLATED DISTRICT OR LAND-USE CONFLICT. AGAIN, DIRECTLY ABUTS ON TWO SIDES OF THIS PROPERTY WE HAVE RESIDENTIAL B TO OUR WEST AND ON THE SOUTHERN SIDE DIRECTLY ABUTTED PUD OF MUCH GREATER DENSITY THAN WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING. IN OUR OPINION THIS PROMOTES A HARMONIOUS LAND-USE IN THE ZONING DISTRICT. ALSO, THE COMPLIANCE HIGHLIGHTS THIS ADHERES TO LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE THREE-03C. IT ENSURES COMPATIBILITY WITH EXISTING LAND USES. IT MAINTAINS COMMUNITY CHARACTER.

IT PREVENTS POTENTIAL LAND-USE CONFLICTS. THIS IS JUST A BLOWN UP VIEW OF THE ZONING DISTRICTS. YOU CAN SEE OUTLINED IN WHITE, THAT IS THE SUBJECT PROPERTY WE ARE DISCUSSING.

DIRECTLY TO THE WEST WE HAVE RESIDENTIAL B OF HIGHER DENSITY. TO THE SOUTH IS PUD DIRECTLY ABOUT IN OUR PROPERTY LINE OF A HIGHER DENSITY. AGAIN, WE HAVE THE AGRICULTURAL RESIDENTIAL WHICH IS THE CURRENT ZONING TO OUR EAST.

SEPARATED BY OLD HARD ROAD AND AGRICULTURAL RESIDENTIAL TO OUR NORTH. WE UNDERSTAND AND WE ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THE MAIN CONCERN THUS FAR WITH EVERYONE WE'VE SPOKEN WITH, THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE RESIDENTS, HAVE BEEN TRAFFIC CONCERNS. WE UNDERSTAND OLD HARD ROAD IS A TWO LANE ROAD AND IT EXPERIENCES MAJOR CONGESTION DURING PEAK HOURS, PARTICULARLY DO TO THE ST. JOHN'S CLASSICAL ACADEMY PICKUP AND DROP-OFF TIMES. WITH THAT WE'VE PROPOSED SOME IMPROVEMENTS DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF OUR SITE. WE ARE COMMITTED TO CONSTRUCTING A DECELERATION LANE AND RIGHT TURN LANE IN AS WELL AS A CENTERED LEFT TURN LANE IN WHICH WOULD EFFECTIVELY WIDEN THE PORTION OF OLD HARD ROAD TO FOUR LANES. HOPEFULLY WE'VE HEARD FROM SOME OF THE RESIDENTS HOPEFULLY WHAT THIS WILL DO IS HELP OUT WITH WHEN FOLKS ARE TURNING RIGHT IT WILL NOT CAUSE ANY SORT OF CUEING OR BACKUP. THERE ARE EMERGENCY VEHICLES THAT NEED TO GET BY CURRENTLY THE SIDE OF THAT ROAD, THE SHOULDER OR LACK OF A SHOULDER -- SO THAT WE WOULD BE PROPOSING IS TO FILL THAT IN COMICAL VERDICT, SOLIDIFY THE SHOULDER, AND PROVIDE A SIDEWALK ACROSS THE ENTIRE FRONT OF OUR DEVELOPMENT. WE'VE ALSO SPOKEN WITH STAFF RECENTLY AND ARE AGREEABLE TO EXTENDING THAT SIDEWALK ALL THE WAY FROM OUR DEVELOPMENT TO CULVERTS AND FILLINGS THAT ARE REQUIRED WITH THAT PROJECT.

WITH THAT, WE HAVE A LETTER DATED OCTOBER 3RD FROM F.

D.O.T. THAT CAESAR SHOULD BE NO ADVERSE IMPACT FROM OUR DEVELOPMENT. WE HAVE A SUPPLEMENTARY LETTER FROM -- TRAFFIC SOLUTIONS, A TRAFFIC ENGINEER. HE HAS SUMMARIZED THAT OUR SAFETY ENHANCEMENTS WILL REDUCE REAR END COLLISION RISK, SEPARATING TURNING VEHICLES FROM THROUGH TRAFFIC, PROVIDED DEDICATING SPACE DUST DEDICATED SPACE FOR VEHICLES WAITING TO TRY AND GET OFF SO OPTIMIZED TRAFFIC FLOW WITH IMPROVED VISIBILITY, BETTER LINE OF SIGHT FOR DRIVERS ASSESSING TRAFFIC APPS, CLEAR PATHS FOR ONCOMING TRAFFIC, OPERATIONAL EFFICIENCY. IT WILL ELIMINATE LANE BLOCKAGES. LEFT TURN VEHICLES IN ORDER TO SUFFER THROUGH TRAFFIC.

PERMITTED -- MINIMIZE HEADLONG COLLISIONS, CLEARER SAVER PASS FOR ONCOMING

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TRAFFIC, AND THE CAPACITY IMPROVEMENTS INCREASING THE ROADWAY EFFICIENCY SEPARATING TURNING FROM THROUGH TRAFFIC, SMOOTHER TRAFFIC MOVEMENT, TO THE RECORD. HE GOES INTO MORE DETAIL. I'M TRYING TO

CONVINCE US DOWN. >> YOU ARE PRETTY FAR OVER SO HE COULD WRAP IT UP SOON THAT WOULD BE GREAT.

>> SO THE COUNTY ROAD IMPROVEMENTS, WE'VE HEARD A LOT ABOUT TRAFFIC. THERE ARE IMPROVEMENTS ON THE WAY. I'VE HEARD WE ARE ALREADY UNDER CONSTRUCTION ON THE PROPOSED SIGNAL AT LAKESHORE DRIVE WHICH IS JUST WEST OF OUR INTERSECTION OF OLD HARDIN COUNTY ROAD 220. ALSO MAJOR IMPROVEMENTS IN TERMS OF WRITING: WRITE OUT ONLY ON OLD HARD ROAD WHICH WOULD MITIGATE ANY OF THE TRAFFIC COMING DOWN CANOVA HEADING WEST AND WANTING TO TURN LEFT ONTO 220. THAT WILL NO LONGER BE AN OPTION. SOMETHING ELSE IN THE PIPELINE IS WIDENING CANOVA ROAD WHICH SHOULD HELP WITH THE SCHOOL CUEING AND TRAFFIC ISSUES. THIS IS AN EXHIBIT THAT ZOOMS IN ON THE IMPROVEMENTS PLANNED FOR OLD HARD ROAD AND COUNTY ROAD 220 PROVIDED BY --. YOU CAN SEE THERE WILL BE PUTTING IN A SOLID MEDIUM THAT ALLOWS FOR ONLY A RIGHT TURN OUT AND A RIGHT TURN IN TO OLD HARD ROAD. YOU'LL STILL BE ABLE TO TURN SOUTHBOUND FROM COUNTY ROAD U 20, BUT NO ALLOWANCE OF A LEFT-HAND TURN WESTBOUND ON THE 220. THIS IS THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL AT THE LAKESHORE INTERSECTION. THE REASON I BRING THIS UP IS BECAUSE THESE ARE THE MAJOR INTERSECTIONS THAT SURROUND OUR PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT. THIS IS A LETTER FROM F D.O.T. I HAVE A HIGHLIGHTED WHERE THE PLANNER DETERMINED THAT THERE IS ADEQUATE CAPACITY TO ACCOMMODATE TRIPS GENERATED BY OUR PROPOSED MOMENT AND F D.O.T. DOES NOT ANTICIPATE ANY SIGNIFICANT ADVERSE EFFECTS FROM OUR DEVELOPMENT. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. THANK YOU, MA'AM. THIS IS A LETTER OF SUPPORT WHICH I WILL ALSO SUBMIT TO THE RECORD FROM OUR CIVIL ENGINEER ON RECORD. THEY'VE GONE OVER OUR EFFORTS FOR FLOOD RESILIENCE. WE'VE INCORPORATED A COMPENSATORY POND FOR FLOODS FOR SUCCEEDING REGULATORY DATA SUCCEEDING REGULATORY NEEDS. WE'VE EXCEEDED THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT REQUIREMENTS, TRAFFIC ALLEVIATION, AND OUR COMMITMENT PRIORITIZES COMMUNITY WELL-BEING, COLLABORATION WITH LOCAL STAKEHOLDERS. THE EVIDENCE SUPPORTING OUR REQUEST, WE HAVE A STRATEGIC ALIGNMENT WITH PRECISELY MEETING THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE RURAL FRENCH FUTURE LAND USE CATEGORY. WE ACHIEVE 100 POINTS OUT OF THE 80 POINTS REQUIRED FOR THE DENSITY WE ARE REQUESTING AND IT SUPPORTS CLAY COUNTY'S COMPREHENSIVE GROWTH STRATEGY WHICH IS OUTLINED IN THE STAFF REPORT.

INFRASTRUCTURE READINESS, F D.O.T. CONFIRMS THERE IS CAPACITY. THE SCHOOL DISTRICT PROVIDED A LETTER IN THE STAFF REPORT THAT ALSO CONCURS THAT THERE IS SCHOOL DISTRICT EDUCATIONAL INFRASTRUCTURE CAPACITY ON ALL THREE LEVELS, ELEMENTARY, MIDDLE, AND HIGH SCHOOL. WE HAVE LETTERS FROM BOTH UTILITY AUTHORITIES DECLARING THERE IS AVAILABILITY AND IT IS DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF OUR SITE. WE ALSO HAVE EXPERT ENGINEERED ACCESS IMPROVEMENT PLAN. WE ARE AGREEABLE TO WORK WITH THE COUNTY TO COME UP WITH MORE SOLUTIONS FOR TRAFFIC ISSUES. WE'VE ENHANCED THE SAFETY TURN LANES. WE HAVE LETTER SAYING THERE IS NO ADVERSE EFFECT OF OUR TRAFFIC.

FOR MARKET INTELLIGENCE, WE'VE HEARD SEVERAL TIMES THAT COMMISSIONERS WOULD PREFER TO SEE LARGER LOTS. THIS IS SOMETHING WE PUT A LOT OF RESEARCH INTO. OUR RESEARCH IS TELLING US LARGER LOTS ARE JUST NOT IN DEMAND IN THIS DIRECT AREA RIGHT NOW. WE ARE SEEING -- YOU CAN LOOK AT DIFFERENT MLS AND REAL ESTATE PLATFORMS , ONE HOUSE IN PARTICULAR RIGHT HERE IN FLEMING ISLAND ON 1.28 ACRES THAT HAS BEEN ON THE MARKET SINCE SEPTEMBER OF 2023. IT HAS WITNESSED A REDUCTION IN PRICE BY $400,000 AND STILL CANNOT SELL. TON OF RESEARCH SHOWS A MODERATE SIZED LAW AND A MODERATE SIZE PRICE POINT IS WHAT IS IN DEMAND IN THIS AREA. SO THE KEY ENDORSEMENTS, WE HAVE STAFF RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL, WE HAVE THE COMMUNITY ADVISORY COMMITTEE SUPPORTING THIS WITH A RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL, F D.O.T. SAYS THERE WILL BE NO ADVERSE IMPACT, AND IN ENGINEERING PROFESSIONALS HAVE ALSO VALIDATED THAT, AS WELL. WITH THAT I WOULD LIKE TO THINK YOU GUYS FOR YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION. I KNOW THERE WILL BE A LOT OF TALK TODAY

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ABOUT TRAFFIC ISSUES AND COMPATIBILITY. WE ARE HERE TO HELP. WE ARE HERE TO TALK ABOUT SOLUTIONS. WE WOULD LIKE TO TAKE OUR TIME WITH THIS. WE ARE WILLING TO SPEAK WITH STAFF, SPEAK WITH YOU GUYS AS A COMMISSIONERS TO COME UP WITH SOLUTIONS. PLEASE CONSIDER IT. THAT IS ALL WE ASK. I WILL STAND BY FOR QUESTIONS. THANK YOU ALL.

>> THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT OR FOR STAFF?

>> I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF. THE IMPROVEMENTS AT OLD HARD ROAD AND 220, WHAT IS THE TIMELINE FOR THOSE?

>> THEY ARE CURRENTLY BEING STAGED RIGHT NOW, BUT RICHARD CAN GIVE A MORE DEFINITIVE TIMELINE.

>> RICHARD SMITH, COUNTY ENGINEER. THE UTILITY RELOCATIONS ARE GOING ON RIGHT NOW. YOU WILL SEE THERE IS SOME ACTIVITY TAKING PLACE NOW. OFFICIAL START DATE THAT BEGINS THE 300 AND CONSTRUCTION PROCESSES JANUARY 6TH, 2025.

THERE IS ACTIVITY NOW THAT IS MOVING ELECTRICAL LINES AND

OTHER UTILITIES. >> FOR BOTH PROJECTS, BEGINNING

IN JANUARY? >> YES. THAT IS THE OLD HARD ROAD LAKESHORE DRIVE WEST. THE OLD HARD ROAD INTERSECTION PROVISION. THE ARENA ROAD MEDIAN BREAK IS ELIMINATED. AND THERE IS SOME -- I THINK THOSE ARE SAFETY IMPROVEMENTS THAT

ARE FEDERALLY FUNDED. >> I GUESS THE OTHER QUESTION IS, THE OLD HARD ROAD IMPROVEMENTS WERE PRECIPITATED

FOR WHAT AND WHY? >> ACCIDENTS. A HIGH RATE OF ACCIDENTS. THERE WAS A STUDY DONE. THE GRANT WENT AS FAR AS LIGHTING ALONG THERE. WE HEARD WORD FROM THE COMMUNITY ABOUT LIGHTS. NO OTHER LIGHTING ON ANY OTHER COUNTY ROAD. YOU SEE IT ON 17, LANDING BOULEVARD, THOSE ARE STATE ROUTES. VERY LITTLE LIGHTING ON COUNTY ROADS IN THE MAINLINE OTHER THAN INTERSECTIONS. AND THAT WAS REMOVED DO TO THE NEIGHBORHOODS

PUSH BACK A LITTLE BIT. >> RIGHT IN, WRITE OUT WILL NECESSITATE A U-TURN TO GO EASTBOUND?

>> YOU WILL GO WESTBOUND. IF YOU ARE ON OLD HARD ROAD ANYONE TO GO WESTBOUND TOWARDS -- OF APPROXIMATELY 3900 FOOT U-TURN TO MAKE. THERE WILL BE NO MEDIAN OPENING AT ARENA ROAD.

THERE WILL BE A NEW FIRE STATION PLACED THERE. EXPECTING ENHANCED ENFORCEMENT BECAUSE I THINK WE'LL SEE SOME PEOPLE THAT WILL BE BRAZEN ENOUGH TO USE EMERGENCY ACCESS ONLY LIKE YOU SEE ON INTERSTATE 10 AND INTERSTATE 95 TO SHORTEN THAT U-TURN. I HOPE IT IS A SIGNIFICANT DETERRENT WHEN YOU CHECK THE CLERK'S OFFICE, BUT IT TURNS OUT TO BE ABOUT A 3900 FOOT U-TURN UP TO BRIDGESTONE COURT.

>> HARD WEST TOWARD 222 BLOCK OFF RIVERBEND? IS THAT GOING TO BE TRAFFIC STANCHIONS? WHERE ARE WE AT WITH THAT?

>> BEEN ON THAT SUBJECT WITH THE PREVIOUS COMMISSIONER AS WELL AS ONE NEIGHBOR, ONE RESIDENT WHO CONTACTED ME ABOUT A YEAR AGO. I ASKED DIRECTED HIM, LET'S GET A UNIFIED VOICE. 71 HOMES IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. THE OTHER 70 DON'T WANT TO CLOSE IT. THE ROAD THERE, LITTLE RIVER ROAD ABOUT 150 FEET LONG. SO IT IS SHORT ENOUGH THAT IF WE CLOSED IT YOU COULD LEGALLY BACKUP A FIRE TRUCK ACCORDING TO CODE.

THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND ANY EMERGENCY SERVICES ARE ALWAYS HESITANT ON CLOSING ANY EXISTING ACCESS. IT DOES MEET OUR CRITERIA. UNDER 100 LOTS. SO ALL THEY WOULD CAUTION THE RESIDENTS THIS IS A -- IT WILL POSSIBLY CHANGE EMERGENCY TIME.

BUT WHAT YOU WANT. IF YOU TRAFFIC OR POSSIBLY HAVE A FEW EXTRA SECONDS ON YOUR EMERGENCY RESPONSE.

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>> I THINK NOT NECESSARILY CUTTING THE ENTRANCE TOTALLY OFF, JUST CUTTING IT OFF FROM WESTBOUND -- WHERE THE FIRE STATION AS YOU WOULD STILL BE ABLE TO GET IN FROM 220 IF YOU

TOOK A RIGHT. >> WE HAVE SOME PRETTY BRAVE DRIVERS ON OLD HARD ROAD I HAVE NOTICE. I'VE THOUGHT ABOUT EVEN PUTTING IN A BARRIER LIKE YOU SEE SEPARATING TRAFFIC ON -- BRIDGE. I REALLY BELIEVE THEY WILL PULL OUT, POSSIBLY MAKE A U-TURN, INTO ONCOMING TRAFFIC ON 220 AND STILL GO THAT WAY. IT'LL TAKE EITHER A PERMANENT CLOSURE WITH REMOVAL OF -- IN A PLACE MAYBE WITH SOME LANDSCAPING. OR WE CAN WORK SOMETHING OUT WITH THE HOA TO SEE IF THEY WOULD WANT TO PURCHASE A GAIT AND HAVE IT WHERE THERE IS A KNOX BOX ON IT, A BOX OF FIRE DEPARTMENT HAS ACCESS TO AND CAN OPEN IT AND IT CAN BE OPEN LIKE EMERGENCY SITUATIONS FOR EVACUATIONS AND STUFF. BUT IT WOULD BE A GAIT WITH ORANGE AND LIBRARY AS YOU CAN GET OUT AND MOVE. WE'VE SEEN PEOPLE REMOVE BARRIERS TO CROSS RAILROAD CROSSING ONTO 09. BRAVE DRIVERS IN THIS COUNTY. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING PERMANENT.

>> I'VE HAD SOME RIVERBEND RESIDENTS REACH OUT SO I LOOK FORWARD TO FURTHER DISCUSSION WITH THE COMMUNITY TO FIND OUT.

>> WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT IT SINCE THIS PROJECT CAME OUT. WE JUST NEVER GOT OFFICIAL CONFIRMATION FOR MANY HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION REPRESENTATIVE UNTIL LAST

TUESDAY. >> PERFECT. WE WILL MOVE THE

BALL FORWARD. >> THANK YOU.

>> YOU CANNOT COME BACK UP. YOUR TIME IS UP. THANK YOU.

>> HE WENT MORE THAN 20 MINUTES SO I WILL MOVE ON. BUT THANK YOU.

>> QUESTION FOR PUBLIC SAFETY. I NOTICED DASH CAM BACK. WE HAVE ONE INGRESS AND ONE EGRESS. WE HAVE A SINGLE ENTRY TO THIS DEVELOPMENT. I THOUGHT WE NEEDED TWO.

>> -- FIRE CHIEF, PUBLIC SAFETY. I BELIEVE THIS AREA IN QUESTION HAS 70 UNITS? HUNDRED AND 56? THAT IS CORRECT, YOU

HAVE TO HAVE TWO. >> WE HAVE THREE. TWO CRASH BARRIERS. TELL ME ABOUT CRASH BARRIER, WHATEVER THEY ARE CALLED. WHAT ARE THEY CALLED? WHAT IS THE FORMAL NAME?

>> THERE ARE TWO STABILIZED GRADE ACCESS POINTS AND THEN THERE IS ONE ENTRY POINT. STABILIZED GRADE. IT IS NOT JUST A SIDEWALK

SIR. >> GATES ARE NEVER PREFERABLE WITH US. THEY COME WITH A MYRIAD OF PROBLEMS, WHETHER THAT BE A KEY -- WE OBVIOUSLY HAVE A LOT OF DIFFERENT TRUCKS IN THE COUNTY AND THEY CAN BE COMING FROM DIFFERENT AREAS.

ALWAYS PREFERABLE TO HAVE AT LEAST TWO ENTRANCES AND EXITS.

NOT JUST ABOUT HAVING ONE WAY TO GET THERE VERSUS ANOTHER WAY. IT ALSO HAS TO DO WITH WHEN WE PUT A LOT OF TRUCKS INTO AN AREA AND IT GETS BACKED UP WE CAN COME FROM THE OTHER WAY TO GET TO THAT SITUATION THAT IS OCCURRING.

UNFORTUNATELY WE ARE NEVER GOING TO BE A FAN OF CLOSING

SOMETHING OFF OR MAKING LESS. >> THANK YOU.

>> QUESTIONS FOR STAFF. I THOUGHT THAT FROM TWO MEETINGS AGO THIS WAS DISCUSSED DURING A COMMISSIONERS COMMENTS AND I THOUGHT -- MY REGULATION WAS THE CITIZEN ADVISORY COMMITTEE DID NOT HAVE A QUORUM AND THEREFORE THEY DIDN'T ACTUALLY

HAVE AN OFFICIAL APPROVAL. >> THAT IS CORRECT. AND IT WAS IN MY PRESENTATION. THEY ONLY HAD TWO MEMBERS THERE, BUT BOTH

I HAVE 26 CARDS FROM THE PUBLIC TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM. WE WANT TO LISTEN TO EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOU IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK.

BUT ALSO, DON'T FEEL LIKE YOU HAVE TO IF THERE IS OR SOMEONE ELSE SAID WHAT YOU HAD TO SAY AND YOU SAY HER NAME WE ARE GOOD WITH THAT TOO. YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES. DON'T FEEL LIKE YOU HAVE TO MAKE US STAY HERE ALL 80 SOMETHING MINUTES IF YOU

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FEEL LIKE YOU'RE GETTING YOUR POINT ACROSS. WE WANT YOU TO KNOW WE WANT TO HEAR YOU AND WE KNOW YOU SHUT UP FOR THIS TONIGHT. OUR FIRST SPEAKER IS MIKE BURNS. FOLLOWING MR. BURNS IS MATTHEW CUNNINGHAM. I WILL TRY TO DO THAT, TO KEEP IT

MOVING. >> MY BURNS, 720 HARD ROAD.

THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME BEFORE YOU. I RISE IN OPPOSITION TO THE PROPOSED REZONING. THE FIRST AND MAIN ISSUE IS ONE OF PUBLIC SAFETY. THE SUBJECT CORRIDOR IN ITS PRESENT CONDITION DOES NOT LEND ITSELF TO AN INCREASE OF OVER 300 TRIPS PER DAY. THAT THE SUBDIVISIONAL GENERATE. IN ORDER TO INCREASE THE CAPACITY ON THIS ROADWAY IT WOULD BE NECESSARY TO INCREASE THE SPEED LIMIT AS THERE IS A DIRECT CORRELATION BETWEEN SPEED AND CAPACITY. OR WIDEN THE ROADWAY OF WHICH NEITHER IS A WORKABLE SOLUTION. THE ROADWAY MEANDERS BETWEEN 10 1/2 AND 11 FOOT LANES WITH A 25 MILE AN HOUR SPEED LIMIT. IT HAS NO LOCKABLE AREA, IS DEVOID OF SIDEWALKS, AND HAS OPEN ROADSIDE DITCHES. FROM THE EDGE OF PAYMENT TO THE FRONT SLOPE OF THE DITCH IS 2 1/2 TO FOUR FEET WIDE. THERE IS EVIDENCE PAVEMENT FAILURE ON THE TRAVEL LANES EAST AND WEST OF -- LANE WHICH COULD BE ATTRIBUTABLE TO ST. JOHN CLASSICAL ACADEMY. AT THE TIME OF THE FORMATION OF THE ACADEMY THERE WAS NO TRAFFIC STUDY PERFORMED IN ORDER TO DETERMINE HOW AN INSANE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC WOULD IMPACT THE RESIDENTS OF OLD HARD ROAD. CURRENTLY THERE IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION AT THE ACADEMY A GYMNASIUM. A HUGE PROPORTION WHICH WILL MOST ASSUREDLY BE USED FOR NIGHT PROGRAMS, FURTHER INCREASING TRAFFIC. OLD HARD ROAD SERVES AS A CUT THROUGH FOR TRAFFIC GOING TO THUNDERBOLT ELEMENTARY, FLEMING ISLAND HIGH SCHOOL, AND ST. JOHN'S CLASSICAL ACADEMY. NOT TO MENTION BLACK CREEK, EAGLE HARMING, FLEMING ISLAND PLANTATION. THE PROPOSED CONSTRUCTION AT COUNTY ROAD U 20 AT OLD HARD ROAD WILL, IN THE SPEAKERS OPINION, THIS SERVE NO USEFUL PURPOSE IN ELIMINATING TRAFFIC VOLUME. TO THE CONTRARY, IT WILL FURTHER INCREASE THE PROBABILITY OF ACCIDENTS WITH TRAFFIC CUTTING THROUGH THE SUBDIVISION AT LITTLE RIVER DRIVE BY PUTTING THE RED LIGHT ON LAKESHORE DRIVE. IN VIEW OF THE ITEMS WE WOULD SUBMIT THIS WOULD CONSTITUTE SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE THE TRAFFIC COURT OR CANNOT SUSTAIN ANY MORE TRAFFIC. THIS REZONING SERVES NO COMPELLING PUBLIC PURPOSE OR GOAL AND THE CONSEQUENCES OF AN AFFIRMATIVE VOTE IN THIS MATTER WILL HAVE AN IMPACT ON OUR NEIGHBORHOOD LONG AFTER THE LAST LOT IS SOLD, THE LAST HOUSE BUILT, AND THE DEVELOPER CACHES AS CHECKS.

>> THANK YOU, MR. BURNS. I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. BEFORE MR. CUNNINGHAM SPEAKS I SHOULD OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING WHICH I FORGOT TO. A LITTLE RUSTY. OKAY. MR. CUNNINGHAM. AFTER MR. CUNNINGHAM IS MISS SHERRY CHASE.

>> AND EVENING. CUNNINGHAM, ISLAND, FLORIDA. I LIVE IN THE SUBDIVISION THAT IS A LARGER ONE AT THE EAST END OF OLD HARD ROAD. SO I AM RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE THUNDERBOLT ELEMENTARY DRIVE OFF, THE FLEMING ISLAND HIGH SCHOOL DROP-OFFS, AS WELL AS A ST. JOHN'S ACADEMY. IT IS EXTREMELY DIFFICULT TO GET IN AND OUT OF THAT BIG SUBDIVISION DURING PEAK HOURS IN THE MORNING AND EVENING. I DO NOT SEE HOW THIS BUILDER CAN GET UP HERE AND SAY ADDING -- IF YOU BUILD 156 HOMES -- MANY HOMES NOW, EVEN THOUGH THEY ARE SINGLE-FAMILY OR MULTI GENERATIONAL. YOU TWO TO THREE CARS PER HOUSEHOLD. YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT 300 TO 450 MORE CARS . THAT ROAD, IT CANNOT SUSTAIN THAT KIND OF TRAFFIC RIGHT NOW. SO I AM STRONGLY OPPOSED TO THIS JUST LIKE

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EVERYBODY ELSE. PLUS YOU HEAR EVERYTHING FROM DRAINAGE ISSUES TO WILDLIFE CONCERNS. IT IS REALLY ABOUT WHAT -- I'M ASKING YOU TO DENY THIS REQUEST BECAUSE IT IS ABOUT QUALITY OF LIFE OF MYSELF AND OTHER RESIDENTS THAT LIVE ON OLD HARD ROAD. IT IS NOT ABOUT BRINGING IN 156 HOMES JUST BECAUSE A BUILDER CHECKS ALL OF THE BOXES AND SAYS THIS IS A GREAT THING TO DO. IT IS NOT A GREAT THING TO DO. THAT IS WHY WE ARE ALL OUT HERE AND WE WANT TO TAKE UP 78 MINUTES OF YOUR TIME. THANK

YOU. >> IT IS WELL WORTH IT. THANK YOU, MR. CUNNINGHAM. NEXT WE HAVE MISS SHERRY CHASE. THEN WE

HAVE MR. DON -- JOHN BAGLEY. >> AND SHERRY CHASE, 83 OLD HARD. CATTY CORNER ACROSS FROM THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT. AS YOU'VE HEARD AND YOU WILL HEAR HOW BAD THE TRAFFIC IS, -- MY MIND JUST WENT BLANK. OH MY GOODNESS. I WAS THINKING ABOUT WHAT HE JUST SAID, TALKING ABOUT MULTI GENERATIONAL HOMES.

I HAD ASKED ABOUT HAVING THAT'S GETTING OUR MAILBOXES ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ROAD AND YOU STILL DON'T HAVE MAILBOXES ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ROAD. NO ONE HAS CONTACTED ME ABOUT IT EITHER. MY 90-YEAR-OLD FATHER LIVES WITH US. HE CAN'T HIT THE MAILBOX HARDLY AT ALL. MY VERY NICE NEIGHBOR MR. BURNS HELPED MY FATHER GET THE MAIL BECAUSE THE TRAFFIC SPEEDS UP AND DOWN. WHEN THE DEVELOPER TALKS ABOUT THIS BEING RURAL FRINGE -- I LOVE THAT. AT ONE TIME THIS WAS RURAL. AND WE WANTED TO HAVE THE ROAD PAVED, GOT THE ROAD PAVED. ALL OF THE EXTERIOR DEVELOPMENTS , THE SUBDIVISIONS ARE SURROUNDING THE ONE ACRE LOTS. AND OUR LIFE -- IT IS SO DIFFICULT. IT IS SO DIFFICULT TO LIVE THERE NOW. BETWEEN THE HOSPITAL GOING IN, UP AND DOWN THE AMBULANCES RACED DOWN THAT ROAD. I HAVEN'T CHECKED, BUT IF YOU ASKED THE HOSPITAL HOW OFTEN -- IT IS OFTEN, ESPECIALLY AT NIGHT TIME. CAN SEE THE LIGHTS COMING AND IT LOOKS LIKE CHRISTMAS. ANYWAY, I AM ASKING YOU PLEASE TO CONSIDER ALL OF THE PEOPLE THAT ALREADY HAVE BUILT AND INVESTED OUT THERE TO PLEASE CONSIDER OUR LIVES. THE OTHERS ARE POTENTIAL. WE LIVED THERE. WE'VE ALREADY INVESTED IN THE AREA. WE ARE ASKING YOU SAY NO TO THE SUBDIVISION.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. JOHN BAGLEY AND

NEXT IS JAKE FOX. >> THANK YOU. YOU HEAR A LOT ABOUT TRAFFIC. THE TRAFFIC IS A PROBLEM. THE PEDESTRIANS WALKING ALONG OLD HARD ROAD HAVE NO SIDEWALK. I HEARD THE DEVELOPERS SAY HE WOULD EXTEND THE TO TO 20. IT IS ABOUT 10% IF THAT OF OLD HARD ROAD THAT WOULD HAVE THE SIDEWALK. I HAVE PHOTOS IF ANYONE WANTS TO SEE A PEDESTRIANS WALKING AND HAVE TO CHOOSE BETWEEN ADDICTION GETTING STRUCK BY A VEHICLE BECAUSE IT IS A TWO LANE ROAD. IF THERE ARE TWO CARS COMING DOWN AT THE SAME TIME THE BEST CHANCE TO JUMP IN A DITCH. I HAVE THE DITCH IN FRONT AND TRAFFIC COMES BY AND IT IS VERY DANGEROUS SITUATION. A COUPLE KEY STATISTICS, THE STRETCH FROM 220 TO ANOVA IS ABOUT A ONE MILE STRETCH. 74 HOMES CURRENTLY DUMP ONTO OLD RIDE HOME -- HARD ROAD. THIS WOULD BE AN OVER 200% INCREASE TO AN ALREADY CONGESTED ROAD. I DON'T CARE IF D.O.T. SAYS, THIS ROAD CANNOT HANDLE IT. I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THEM COME OVER AND WATCH ALL THE TRAFFIC AND LOOK AT THE CONDITION OF THE ROAD. YOU WILL HEAR DISCUSSIONS ABOUT WILDLIFE, WILL NOT TALK ABOUT THAT.

FLOODING. BLUE-GREEN ALGAE BLOOMS IS ALREADY AN ISSUE.

THAT WILL BE EXACERBATED BY THIS DEVELOPMENT. HEAR FROM THE WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT FOR WATER QUALITY REQUIREMENTS, HOWEVER THAT WILL NOT STOP ALL OF IT IN OUR SYSTEM SO WILL EXACERBATE THAT ISSUE. FLOODING. I'M TELLING YOU RIGHT NOW, EVERY TIME A HURRICANE COMES ARE YOU EXITING THE STORM REQUIREMENT. RIGHT NOW WE HAVE PLENTY OF ISSUES

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EVERY TIME A STORM COMES THROUGH IT SHUTS DOWN -- EVERYONE WHO LIVES ON -- YOU CAN SEE ME DRIVE OVER THE BRIDGE THE FLOODING THAT IS HAPPENING THERE. CHECKED ALL THE BOXES, AND POINTS OUT OF 80. IF THAT WERE THE CASE YOU WANT TO BE HERE, RIGHT? YOU'RE HERE FOR A REASON. THIS IS A TYPICAL UNIQUE SITUATION. OLD HARD UNFORTUNATELY WAS NOT MASTER-PLANNED. THIS AREA WAS NOT MASTER-PLANNED. OLD HARD 20 AND 17. IT IS A SHORTCUT, EVERYBODY TAKES IT.

UNFORTUNATELY, THE ADDITION OF THE RED LIGHT I DON'T THINK WILL DO ANYTHING. I ONLY THINK IT WILL EXACERBATE THE ISSUE.

PEOPLE FIND WAYS TO DO THE U-TURN. THERE'S A FIRE STATION GOING THERE AND IT IS BACKED UP. I IMPLORE YOU TO DENY THIS DEVELOPMENT.

THERE ARE MANY REASONS I'M NOT GETTING INTO WHY YOU SHOULD NOT DEVELOP ON THIS ROAD. THEY DID NOT DO A TRAFFIC STUDY, BUT A STUDY DONE BY THE AAA FOUNDATION FOR TRAFFIC SAFETY SAYS THAT EVERY AMERICAN DRIVER MAKES 2.4 TRIPS A DAY. YOU DO THE MATH, OVER 500,000 TRIPS A YEAR. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. MR. FOX? HOW DO YOU PRONOUNCE IT? THAT PRESIDENT OF YOU GAINESVILLE SPELLS OF THE SAME WAY BUT SAYS FOX. AFTER YOU IS MISS EMILY PATE.

>> PEOPLE TALKED ABOUT, THE TRAFFIC BEING THE ISSUE HERE. I WANT TO POINT OUT THAT THE PROPOSED CHANGES -- NOT PROPOSED, ACTUAL CHANGES TO THE INTERSECTIONS TAKING PLACE REALLY WANT TO ANYTHING TO IMPROVE THE TRAFFIC ON OLD HARD ROAD. THE TRAFFIC YOU ARE GETTING ON OLD HARD ROAD ALREADY DASHER, IT IS FROM THE RESIDENTS ARE THERE ALREADY, BUT ALSO FROM EVERYBODY HEADING EAST, MIDDLEBURG, LAKE ASBURY.

THEY'RE GOING EAST AND THEY ARE MAKING THAT RIGHT. PEOPLE TALK ABOUT MAKING A RIGHT ON TWO WHEELS FROM 220. ALREADY WE HAVE A BAD TRAFFIC SITUATION HERE AND THE DEVELOPERS TALKING ABOUT THESE IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE GOING TO TAKE PLACE AT THOSE INTERSECTIONS, BUT THAT IS NOT GOING TO BE OF ANY HELP.

THE OTHER THING I WANT TO POINT OUT IS WE'VE ALREADY HAD TREMENDOUS GROWTH IN THIS AREA OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS AND YOU MIGHT RIGHTLY ASK WHY SHOULD THIS PROPOSAL BE REJECTED WHEN SO MANY OTHERS HAVE BEEN APPROVED. IT'S ALREADY BEEN SAID, IT IS ABOUT QUALITY OF LIFE FOR PEOPLE THERE. EVERY COMMUNITY HAS TO DECIDE AT WHAT POINT TO DRAW A LINE. I THINK WE'VE REACHED THAT HERE. AS IT IS CURRENTLY ZONED WE CAN PUT 60 MORE HOMES WITHOUT HAVING TO MAKE ANY ZONING CHANGES IN THOSE 60 HOMES -- I'M SURE A LOT OF US HERE AT OBJECT TO HAVING EVEN THAT MANY. BUT I'M SURE THERE IS DEFINITELY DEMAND FOR NICE HOMES ON ONE ACRE LOTS. JUST TALKING TO MY NEIGHBORS AND MY FRIENDS -- PLENTY OF PEOPLE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE MORE SPACE. A YARD FOR THE KIDS TO PLAY IN OR HAVE SPACE TO HAVE A GARAGE THAT CAN HOUSE AN RV OR A BOAT.

I DO THINK THERE IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR THAT PROPERTY THE WAY IT IS CURRENTLY ZONED. WE CAN STILL DEVELOP TO AN EXTENT IN A WAY THAT MAKES SENSE FOR FLEMING ISLAND. THANK

YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >> THANK YOU. EMILY PATE? AFTER

MS. PATE IS ANDY GRAHAM. >> GOOD EVENING. EMILY PATE, 1982, CADILLAC LANE ON FLEMING ISLAND. I WILL TELL YOU MOST OF MY POINTS HAVE ALREADY BEEN MADE. I WOULD JUST LIKE TO KEEP THIS AREA TO BE LOW DENSITY HOUSING AREA AND KEEP IT ZONED AS AGRICULTURAL. BUT EVERYONE ELSE ALREADY TOOK MY POINT SO I'M HAPPY ABOUT THAT. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE THAT. ANDY GRAHAM AND AFTER HIM

IS TIM PATTON. >> ANDY GRAHAM, 124 OLD HARD

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ROAD. TRAFFIC IS TERRIBLE. THREE SCHOOLS EVERY MORNING AND EVERY AFTERNOON THEY DROP OFF KIDS IN THE MORNING AND PICK THEM UP IN THE AFTERNOON. SCHOOLS STAGGER THEIR DROP-OFF AND PICKUP TIME BY 10 MINUTES OR SO AND SO IT IS A CONSTANT BACK UP ON OLD HARD ROAD. ALL THE WAY DOWN CANOVA -- PASSED CANOVA DOWN OLD HARD ROAD. TRAFFIC IS TERRIBLE. THE OTHER ISSUE IS WITH THE WITS -- WOULD YOU CAN'T WIDEN IT TO THE SIDEWALK ON. NOBODY CAN WALK OLD HARD ROAD SAFELY. NO ONE

CAN RIDE A BIKE SAFELY. >> THANK YOU. TIM PATTON. THEN

CINDY MARVIN. >> TIM PATTON, I RESIDE AT 1973 -- LANE. I HAVE BEEN OUT THERE FOR 35 YEARS. I HAVE SEEN A LOT OF CHANGES OVER THE YEARS. IT USED TO BE A DIRT ROAD. EVEN THEN THERE WERE PEOPLE THAT WOULD SPEED DOWN THE ROAD WHEN IT WAS DIRT. THERE WAS A CURVE IN THE ROAD THERE THAT USED TO BE A CAR IN THE DITCH THERE EVERY WEEK, EVERY TWO WEEKS.

INAUDIBLE ] STOPPED SOMEONE DOING 70 MILES AN HOUR IN A 25 MILE AN HOUR ZONE. THERE ARE 26 ACRES THERE AND 10 HOMES. I AM OPPOSED TO THIS. THE ROAD WILL NOT HANDLE IT. ALL OF THE TRAFFIC -- THERE ARE STILL PEOPLE THAT SPEED. PLEASE ARE THERE, BUT THEY DON'T SIT THERE ALL THE TIME. WE DO HAVE SPEEDERS. I USED TO HAVE A HORSE. USED TO RIDE MY HORSE -- NO PROBLEM. USED TO RIDE ALL THE WAY TO BLACK CREEK, TO THE WOODS NO PROBLEM. NOW I DON'T EVEN WANT TO GET OUT THERE IN MY CAR BECAUSE THE TRAFFIC IS SO BAD. I APPRECIATE IT. HAVE A

MERRY CHRISTMAS. >> THANK YOU, SIR. YOU, AS WELL. CINDY MARVIN. AFTER CINDY MARVIN IS JANE SYKES.

>> IT EVENING, CINDY MARVIN 1980 SWANEE RIVER DRIVE, FLEMING ISLAND, FLORIDA. I LIVE IN THE RIVERBEND SUBDIVISION.

I, LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE, AM OPPOSED TO THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS PROPERTY. OUR CONCERN, AS YOU'VE ALREADY HEARD, IS THE TRAFFIC ISSUES. ALREADY MENTIONED BY ONE OF THE HOMEOWNERS IS THAT OUR SUBDIVISION IS USED AS A CUT THROUGH TO AVOID THE TRAFFIC THAT BACKS UP ON OLD HARD ROAD TRYING TO GO OUT ON TO COUNTY 220. THE SAFETY OF OUR CHILDREN AND OUR NEIGHBORHOOD WAS A CONCERN. WE HAVE TWO BUS TOPS THAT COME TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD TO PICK UP MIDDLE SCHOOL AND ELEMENTARY SCHOOL TOGETHER AS A COMMUNITY TO DECIDE WHAT WE CAN DO OR RECOMMEND WHAT TO DO ON -- BUT IS SIMPLY THERE HAS TO BE AN ALLEVIATION OF TRAFFIC COMING INTO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD TO GET TO THAT TRAFFIC LIGHT TO MAKE THAT TURN ON TWO 220. I CAN SAY MORE THAN WHAT EVERYONE ELSE HAS SAID. I OPPOSE THE DEVELOPMENT.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, MAN. DAN SYKES

AND AFTER SYKES IS TROY PATTON. >> IT EVENING. THANK YOU FOR HAVING US. WE APPRECIATE IT. JAN SYKES -- I AM THE HOA PRESIDENT OF A SUBDIVISION OF RIVERBEND. WE ARE IN OPPOSITION OF THIS DEVELOPMENT FOR TRAFFIC DATA EVERYBODY'S HEARD ABOUT

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THE TRAFFIC IN THE FLOODING. I CURRENTLY HAVE EIGHT FRENCH DRAINS IN MY BACKYARD RIGHT NOW. THE BACK OF TO EMERALDS AND LIGHT. I CANNOT IMAGINE ANOTHER SUBDIVISION GOING IN. I WOULD HAVE TO RIVERBOAT, I GUESS. YOU ASKED EARLIER ABOUT WHY WE HAD HAVE A TRAFFIC PATTERN CHANGE. BECAUSE OF ALL THE ACCIDENTS THAT TOOK PLACE ON OLD HARD ROAD AND STATE ROUTE 220. HOWEVER, A RIGHT TURN ONLY IS NOT GOING TO ALLEVIATE THE TRAFFIC COMING THROUGH OUR MAIN ROAD. PEOPLE ARE NOT GOING TO DRIVE AND MAKE A U-TURN WHEN YOU CAN CUT THROUGH THE SUBDIVISION AND GO TO THE RED LIGHT TAKE A LEFT.

THAT WHOLE STREET IS JUST GOING TO BE NOTHING BUT TRAFFIC. IT IS NOT ONLY DURING SCHOOL TIME. IT IS LIKE THAT ALL THE TIME. I EXPERIENCED THAT YESTERDAY. FOR THE FIRST TIME I WANTED TO BE BRAVE AND GO OUT THERE -- I DON'T EVEN DO THAT ANYMORE.

ONCE IS PLENTY TO SEE WHAT THE TRAFFIC IS LIGHT. IT IS DIFFICULT TO IMAGINE EVEN MORE TRAFFIC ON THAT ROAD WHEN THERE IS SO MUCH OF IT THERE NOW. I SAW FOUR PEOPLE TURN AROUND WHILE TRYING TO GET TO DO 20 FROM OLD HARD ROAD. TURNED AROUND AND WENT THROUGH -- LIGHT. WENT BACK DOWN TOWARD CORDOVA . I GUESS THEY FIGURED IT WAS FASTER THAT WAY. PEOPLE DON'T HAVE ANY PATIENTS. WE ALREADY KNOW THAT. AGAIN, OUR BIGGEST CONCERN IS THE FACT THAT, YES, WE HAVE SCHOOL BUSES THERE. RIGHT ON LITTLE RIVER. YOU KNOW AND I KNOW, KIDS DO NOT STAY IN ONE CERTAIN SPOT. THEY'RE PLAYING IN THE ROAD, ALL OVER THE PLACE. IT IS A SAFETY CONCERN FOR US, AS WELL.

YOU WILL HEAR FROM OTHER RESIDENTS AS WELL FROM LITTLE BAND. I HAVE A PETITION WE WILL BE ADDRESSING. IF WE HAVE TO HAVE AN EMERGENCY IN CHILE MEETING WE WILL DO WHATEVER WE NEED TO DO, BUT WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING TO BLOCK OFF THAT INTERSECTION. OLD HARD ROAD OR LITTLE RIVER AND/OR DO A RIGHT TURN ONLY FROM LITTLE RIVER ONTO OLD HARD ROAD. IF WE NEED TO DO THAT FOR THE SCHOOL BUS TO COME IN AND GET OUT OF THERE. WE'RE OPEN TO SUGGESTIONS. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. MERRY CHRISTMAS. TO MAKE YOU TOO. THANK YOU. TROY

PATTON. AFTER TROY IS -- >> TROY PATTON, 1964 -- I KNOW YOU SAID YOU DON'T ANSWER QUESTIONS, BUT I WILL ASK ONE QUESTION -- IF YOU KNOW THE ROAD ONE IS SAID AND I'M CERTAIN IT IS AND YOU WROTE NOTES. ALL SEVEN OF THE PLANNING COMMISSIONERS RECOMMEND THIS FOR DENIAL. THEY ALSO AGREE THIS CHECKS THE BOXES, BUT THIS DOESN'T CHECK COMMON SENSE. I WILL NOT GO THROUGH TOO MUCH OF THAT. IN THE FLORIDA FUTURE LAND USE CODE YOU CAN READ IN MY EMAIL TAKE OUT WETLANDS AND HUNDRED YEAR FLOODPLAIN. THAT DOES NOT ALLOW FOR THIS TO BE APPROVED AT THREE PER ACRE BECAUSE OF THAT HE GOT ABOUT 20 ACRES AND IF YOU KEEP IT AT THE CURRENT ZONING WHICH IS WHAT I AM FOR ITS 40 HOUSES, ROUGHLY.

I AGREE WITH THE FOLKS AT THE END, THE CUT THROUGH THAT WILL BE CREATED WILL BE A PAIN FOR THEM. AND I DO NOT BLAME THEM FOR WANTING TO CUT THAT OFF. I GUARANTEE I WOULD BE GOING THROUGH THAT TO MAKE A LEFT TURN. I HAVE FAMILY WHO LIVE -- HIM AND MY MOTHER-IN-LAW WATCH MY KIDS AND MYSELF, MY KIDS, WHITE WIFE, THOSE FAMILY MEMBERS WILL HAVE TO MAKE THAT RIGHT-HAND U-TURN WHICH, AGAIN,

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REMEMBER FARMHOUSE TRADES. RAISE CATTLE, KEPT BOWLS, BORROW EQUIPMENT, HUBCAPS IN THE SUMMERTIME. I WANTED TAKE YOU DOWN THAT ROUTE. REMEMBER THE OLD HARD ROAD IS? --

>> WE UNDERSTAND HOW YOU FEEL. THANK YOU. -- AND JILL HICKS.

>> -- I AM NOT GOING TO BEAT A DEAD HORSE AND TALK ABOUT TRAFFIC OR SAFETY OR THE ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES BECAUSE I'M SURE MY NEIGHBORS WILL PAINT A BEAUTIFUL PICTURE FOR YOU, BUT I WILL SAY THAT BASED ON YOUR LAST MEETING IT SEEMS THE SPORT KIND OF HAD A CHANGE OF HEART REGARDING ZONING ON THE COMPARISON YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR AND I WILL SHARE THE SENTIMENTS THAT PEOPLE WANT TO CHANGE IT TO MAKE IT BEST FOR THE PROPHETS WITHOUT LOOKING WENT WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD NEEDS AND WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD WOULD BE OKAY WITH HAVING. THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS NOT OKAY WITH HAVING THIS MUCH TRAFFIC ADDED TO OUR DAILY ROUTINE. NOT ONLY THAT, BUT THIS BOARD DID KIND OF DISAGREE WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND VOTE YES FOR A MEDICAL OFFICE IN -- RIGHT NEXT TO THE SCHOOL AND THAT IS GOING TO CREATE MORE TRAFFIC AS IT IS, BUT IT WILL CREATE AN ISSUE WITH AMBULANCES COMING DOWN THE ROAD TRYING TO GET TO WHERE THEY NEED TO GO. OLD HARD IS STILL GOING TO BE A TRAFFIC AREA. HEAVEN FORBID THERE IS AN AMBULANCE TRYING TO GET TO WHERE THEY NEED TO GO AND PEOPLE ARE NOT PAID -- PAYING ATTENTION. IT WILL BE A CATASTROPHE. KEEP THAT IN MIND AND TRY TO KEEP OUR NEIGHBORHOOD SAFER. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. JILL HICKS. AFTER HICKS IS TODD HOPPER.

>> 1945 LITTLE ROAD DRIVE. I AM HOME THAT SITS AT THE CORNER OF OLD HARD ROAD RIGHT THERE AT 220. I PROBABLY RESPOND TO JUST AS MANY EMERGENCIES AS YOUR EMERGENCY CREWS TO GOING OUT THERE TO HELP ANY CITIZEN WHO HAS BEEN IN AN ACCIDENT ON 220.

SO UNDERSTAND THE CONCERNS OF READJUSTING THE TRAFFIC PATTERNS AND STUFF THERE. HOWEVER, ADDING THIS COMMUNITY WILL ADD MORE TRAFFIC. I KNOW THIS IS AN OVERBOUGHT -- OVERDONE STATEMENT BUT I WILL ASK KNOWING YOU ARE PART OF OUR COMMISSION WE NEED TO SHUT OFF OUR ROAD. OUR COMMUNITY WILL VOTE FOR THAT, I GUARANTEE THAT. I LIVE IN THE HOME AND WATCHED 73 CARS TODAY CUT INTO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WILL LIVE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD TO MAKE THAT LOOP. THAT WAS THIS AFTERNOON. IF I PLAY TENNIS I WOULD MAKE SURE I HIT THAT BALL RIGHT INTO THAT STREET EVERY SINGLE TIME A CAR PASSES BY WHO RACES THROUGH. I'VE SET IT AT EVERY MEETING I'VE GONE THROUGH. THIS IS, HEY, AND PUT -- HAVE KIDS ON BOARD BE CAREFUL, BUT THEY ARE SPEEDING THROUGH MY NEIGHBORHOOD, DRIVING ON TWO WHEELS. IT IS INSANE TO ME THE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT TRAFFIC IS NOT SOMETHING CONSIDERED WHEN TALKING ABOUT DEVELOPMENT. ESPECIALLY LIKE THIS NEW SCHOOL THAT GETS BUILT . NEVER TRAFFIC STUDY. I KNOW THIS IS SOMETHING THAT HAS TO BE TAKEN WITH THE STATE, BUT IT HAS TO BE PUT AS AN UNDERLYING STATEMENT ANYTHING WEDO WITH THE COUNTY BOARD OTHERWISE WE WILL BE LIKE ST. JOHNS COUNTY WE CAN GET ANYWHERE ANYMORE. IT IS GETTING WORSE BY THE SECOND. I DON'T DISAGREE WITH DEVELOPMENT AND THOSE THINGS, BUT I DISAGREE WITH THE FACT THAT WE NEED TO TAKE THE TIME TO STEP BACK AND SAY WHAT EFFECT WILL THIS BE ON THE CONSTITUENTS THAT LIVE HERE NOW VERSUS WHAT IT IS IN THE FUTURE. EIGHT CAN'T BE ABOUT THE ALMIGHTY DOLLAR THE END OF THE DAY. HAS TO BE BUT WHO LIVES THERE NOW. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> THANK YOU, SIR. MR. HOPPER.

>> TODD HOPPER, 2175 -- DRIVE

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PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT. EVERYTHING HAS BEEN SET I REALLY WANT TO SAY, BUT I WANT TO REITERATE A COUPLE THINGS, AS WELL. THE 179 INITIAL HOMES REDUCED TO 156 AND IT WAS ADEQUATELY SAID BY SOMEBODY ELSE THAT THE TRAFFIC THAT WILL BE GENERATED WILL BE OVER 780 TRIPS A DAY FROM 2 1/2 CARS PER RESIDENT. IT JUST COMPOUNDS THE TRAFFIC THAT IS THERE NOW. WE HAVE SUCH A PROBLEM RIGHT NOW WE CANNOT PULL OUT ABOUT ROLES AND WENT AFTER 7:00 IN THE MORNING. YOU SIT AND WATCH TRAFFIC ON THE WAY TO THE STOP SIGN. LOOK AS FAR AS YOU CAN SEE THIS LIKE IT IS TRAFFIC LINED UP. IF SOMEONE DOESN'T WANT TO LET YOU WHAT YOU DO NOT GET OUT OF YOUR SUBDIVISION.

THAT IS HOW BAD IT IS A ADMIRALS INLET AND WE ARE UP FROM RIVERBEND. IF I MAKE A LEFT OUT OF ADMIRALS AND LET AND GOES TOWARDS TO 20 AND WAS RIVERBEND AND I DON'T WANT TO GET STUCK FOR ANOTHER 15 MINUTES BETWEEN HERE AND THERE I WILL MAKE A LEFT INTO RIVERBEND. NOW WHAT I MAKE THE LEFT THERE ARE CARS COMING IN OFF OF 220 45 MILES AN HOUR IN TWO WHEELS AND BROADSIDE COLLISIONS HAVE A VERY HIGH POTENTIAL THERE. IF THAT DOESN'T GET SEALED OFF THAT COULD EXACERBATE THIS WHOLE POSITION THAT'S VISIT -- EVEN WORSE. THAT IS MY OBSERVATION. I GO TO WORK EARLIER THAN THAT.

I'M AT WORK AT 630 IN THE MORNING. I GET OUT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD BEFORE THAT STARTS. BUT A COUPLE TIMES WHEN IN LATER I WAS LATE TO WORK BECAUSE I COULDN'T EVEN GET OUT OF MY OWN NEIGHBORHOOD. THIS IS A VERY SEVERE TRAFFIC SITUATION NOW. I CAN'T UNDERSTAND IF THE OT COMING UP WITH THE THINGS STATED, THAT THERE ISN'T A POTENTIAL PROBLEM. IT ABSOLUTELY IS A PROBLEM. THE OTHER THING IS THAT I SAW A FIRE TRUCK TODAY TO TRY AND GO DOWN A ROAD WHERE THERE WERE CARS TRYING TO GET OUT OF THE WAY AND HE ALMOST CLIPPED THE CAR BECAUSE THE CARS COULDN'T GET OUT OF THE WAY FAST ENOUGH ON OLD HARD ROAD THERE IS NOWHERE TO GO. IF YOU HAVE TO GET A FIRE TRUCK DOWN THE ROAD IN A HURRY AND THEY ARE ALL LINED UP LIKE THAT THERE IS NOWHERE TO GO. YOU CAN'T PULL OFF INTO THE DITCH. IT IS REALLY A POTENTIAL PROBLEM. THEN YOU YOU HAVE TRAFFIC COMING IN UP TO 20 AND HAVE A HEAD-ON COLLISION WITH THE FIRE TRUCK. THIS THING IS A DISASTER AT BEST. I'M HONESTLY NOT FOR THIS. I'M ALL FOR CONSTRUCTION AND IF YOU DRIVE DOWN THERE TONIGHT AND LOOK AT ALL OF THE BEAUTIFUL DECORATIONS FOR CHRISTMAS, THE BIG BEAUTIFUL LOTS, BIG BEAUTIFUL HOMES ON ACREAGE, THAT IS WHAT WE NEED TO CONTINUE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, NOT WHAT IS PROPOSED. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> THANK YOU, MR. HOPPER. MERRY CHRISTMAS. --, AFTER DASHES

KATHLEEN GUEST ON. >> --, 15 OLD HARD ROAD IN 1953 COUNTY ROAD U 20. WE HAVE AN ACRE PROPERTY AT THE VERY END OF OLD HARD ROAD . EIGHT YEARS AGO AND WE SOLD OUR HOUSE IN -- WE WERE REALLY TRYING TO OLD HARD ROAD BECAUSE OFFER THE PERFECT BALANCE OF LOCATION AND LARGE LOTS WITHOUT THE DEVELOPMENT IN OTHER AREAS OF CLAY COUNTY. WHILE FLEMING ISLAND HAS FLEMING ISLAND PLANTATION -- ALL OF THE DEVELOPMENTS WE ARE LOOKING SPECIFICALLY FOR SOMETHING DIFFERENT, A LITTLE LESS DEVELOPED. WE LOVE THE FARM FEEL OF OLD HARD ROAD WITH LARGE LOTS, BEAUTIFUL CUSTOM-BUILT HOMES AND THE SENSE OF PRIDE THAT COMES WITH OWNING ACREAGE. THERE ARE A FEW AREAS LEFT LEGAL HARD ROAD.

WE'VE SEEN OLD HARD ROAD CHANGE IN WAYS THAT ARE HARD TO IGNORE. CEMENTING PASS-THROUGH FOR ALL OF THE SCHOOLS, AS YOU'VE HEARD. WITH THE INCREASED TRAFFIC IT IS NOT ONLY AN INCONVENIENCE, BUT A SAFETY CONCERN FOR FAMILY AND NEIGHBORS. WE HAVE A FENCED PROPERTY TO PROTECT TWO SMALL CHILDREN, BUT THAT DOESN'T BLOCK THE SOUND OF CARS RAPIDLY ACCELERATING FROM THE SPEED LIMIT AS SOON AS THEY TURN ON FROM 220 RIGHT IN FRONT OF HER HOUSE. WE ARE USED TO THE ARE YOU OKAY TEXT AS EMERGENCY VEHICLES OFTEN HAVE TO PARK ON OUR PROPERTY TENDED TO CRASHES, FATAL CRASHES OFTEN, THAT TAKE PLACE ON THE CORNER OF OLD HARD ROAD AND 220-YEAR-OLD HARDWOOD HAS NO SIDEWALK, SHOULDER, AND WE SEE THE DANGERS WALKERS AND RUNNERS, BIKERS TAKE DAILY. EVEN TO CHECK YOUR MAILBOX FARES WILL ONLY INCREASE WITH THE ADDITIONAL 156 HOMES. WE OWN 400 FEET OF FRONTAGE ON OLD HARD ROAD AND I JOKE MY HUSBAND HAS ALWAYS TRYING TO WIN BEST YARD ON OLD HARD, HOWEVER WE HAVE TO BE MINDFUL MAINTAINING OUR FRONT TWO. SIMENTAL SAID THEY HAD A FEW FEET FROM THE DITCH. OUR DITCHES STRAIGHT DOWN OFF OF OLD HARD ROAD. IT IS BECOMING INCREASINGLY ERODED. WE STOPPED TRIMMING THE PLANTS RIGHT ON THE CORNER OF OLD HARD ROAD BECAUSE WE CAN SEE THE ROAD CRUMBLING AWAY AND

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WE LEAVE THE PLANTS IN TO ALLOW THE ROOTS TO MAINTAIN FOR LESS EROSION. LIVING AT THE END OF OLD HARD ROAD WE ALSO SEE FIRSTHAND THE CHALLENGES OF WATER DRAINAGE AFTER ANY HEAVY RAIN THE DITCHES ARE FILLED WITH WATER FLOWING DOWN FROM OLD HARD ROAD GOING DOWN TO 220. OBVIOUSLY RIGHT ON OUR PROPERTY. WE ARE WORRIED ABOUT THE ADEQUATE DEVELOPMENT AFFECTING THOSE ON THE END OF OLD HARD ROAD TO PUTTING IN RISK OF INCREASED EROSION AND FLOODING ALREADY BEGAN. I SPEAK NOT ONLY AS A CONCERNED HOMEOWNER, BUT A MEMBER OF THE COMMUNITY. WE BELIEVE IN THE IMPORTANCE OF PRESERVING THE CHARM, WILDLIFE, LARGE LOTS, AND RESIDENTS WHO CALL THIS HOME. WE WOULD ALL BE NEVER -- NEGATIVELY IMPACTED. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. KATHLEEN GUEST ON? I KNOW I AM BUTCHERING THAT. I APOLOGIZE. AFTER THAT ISRAELI --. CORRECT MY

PRONUNCIATION. >> KATHLEEN GUEST ON DENNIS GASTON -- IN FRONT OF YOU UNTIL TONIGHT. IT IS THE SHEER VOLUME OF HOUSES THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT. I AM NOT AGAINST DEVELOPMENT. I ENJOY THE DEVELOPMENT WE'VE HAD. BUT THIS IS TOO MUCH.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND MERRY CHRISTMAS.

>> THANK YOU. MERRY CHRISTMAS TO YOU. RILEY --. AFTER RILEY

IS SUSIE BROADHURST. >> RILEY --, WHEN A OLD HARD ROAD. PRETTY MUCH RIGHT AT THE INTERSECTION OF CANOVA AND OLD HARD ROAD. I WILL PRETTY MUCH COPY WHAT -- SAID. TO JUSTIFY REZONING I THINK YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT WHAT PRESSURES ARE BEING PUT. TO SAY WE NEED TO GO FROM ONE HOUSE PER ACRE TO THREE. I DON'T THINK THAT IS JUSTIFIABLE ON OLD HARD ROAD AS IT STANDS. IF THERE IS A WAY TO DEVELOP THIS PROPERTY THAT IS THAT THE CURRENT ZONING CAPACITY IT WOULDN'T NEED THIS MEETING TO HAPPEN AT ALL. I AM SURE YOU COULD MAKE AN ABSOLUTE FORTUNE DOING THAT, BUT THE FORTUNE WOULD BE ENOUGH FOR SOME PEOPLE. I AM AGAINST THIS REZONING. I THINK IT COULD BE DEVELOPED AS IS. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

>> THANK YOU, SIR. SUSIE BROADHURST. AFTER MS.

BROADHURST IS DANIEL DEUCE. >> GOOD EVENING. 1996, KATHLEEN. WE ARE THE LAST HOUSE ON THE STREET THAT ABUTS THE CONSERVATION BUFFER SOUTH OF THE SOUTHEAST PART OF THE PROPERTY. THANK YOU FOR LISTENING THEM TO US ALL TALK.

WE APPRECIATE YOU ARE AWAY FROM YOUR FAMILY. I DRAGGED MY HERE SO THEY COULD HEAR IT AS WELL. OBVIOUSLY THE TRAFFIC WE KNOW.

I WON'T EVEN LET MY KIDS ON THE ROAD FOR SAFETY REASONS.

OURS IS FROM AN ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT AND FLOODING. I SENT YOU EMAILS. I KNOW SOME HAVE RESPONDED AND I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT. SINCE WE'VE MOVED THAT WE ARE A MILITARY FAMILY. WE MOVED AWAY AND CAME BACK. YOU CAN IMAGINE OUR SURPRISE THE TRAFFIC, BUT ALSO THE IMPACT THE FLOODING ON THAT WATERSHED BACK THERE. NOT ONLY DOES IT FLOOD THROUGH THE CONSERVATION BUFFER FOR ENVIRONMENTAL SAVING, BUT IT ALSO FLOODS INTO OUR FLOODPLAIN AND INTO OUR HOUSE. OUR HOUSE DID FLOOD DURING IRMA. IT WAS COMPLETELY RENOVATED.

INAUDIBLE ] DAVE MARSHALL HAS LITERALLY GONE TO THE INCH OF THE SPEECHES I HEAR YOUR HOUSE WILL FLOOD. BUT MY HUSBAND HAS BARRIERS WE PUT ON THE HOUSE. WE ALSO HAVE A PLAN TO PUT THESE BARRIERS UP AGAINST HER HOUSE. THE IMPACT IS GREAT, ESPECIALLY PRETTY SIGNIFICANT BECAUSE IT DOES ABOUT THAT. AS A LOCAL VETERINARIAN -- MOVING FROM CURRENT ZONING TO YOU THIS. YOU LOOK AT INNOVATIVE IDEAS AS A VETERINARIAN I AM NOT VERY AGREEABLE TO A DOG PARK NEXT TO A CONSERVATION BUFFER SIMPLY BECAUSE PARASITE CONTROL. LOOK AT BACTERIA, VIRUSES GOING FROM WILDLIFE TO DOGS. IF ALL PET OWNERS WERE 100% RESPONSIBLE AND PRETTY SURE I WOULD BE OUT OF THE JOB. THAT IS MY TAKE ON EVERYTHING. THE BIGGEST THING IS OBVIOUSLY IN OPPOSITION TO

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THIS FROM AN ENVIRONMENTAL, FLOODING IMPACT, INNOVATIVE IDEAS, JUST THE SHEER VOLUME. NOTHING AGAINST THE DEVELOPERS, PROPERTY OWNERS. EVERYBODY HAS THOSE RIGHTS. IT IS JUST NOT THE RIGHT TIMING OR PLACE FOR THIS. I REALLY APPRECIATE IT BECAUSE YOU GUYS ARE VITAL TO ENSURING WE KEEP CLAY COUNTY THE WAY WE LOVE IT. THANK YOU. MERRY CHRISTMAS.

>> MERRY CHRISTMAS T-1 THANK YOU FOR YOUR FAMILY SERVICE.

DANIEL DEUCE. AFTER DANIELLE IS MICHELLE DEUCE.

>> IN AFTERNOON. I JUST HAVE SOMETHING I WILL READ. MEANING IS DANIEL DEUCE. I CURRENTLY RESIDE AT 1915 COUNTY ROAD 220.

I GREW UP AT 1958, KATHLEEN AND I NOW LIVE AT 1915 COUNTY ROAD 220. I USED TO RIDE MY HORSES WAS A TWO LANE ROAD IN THE NEAREST GROCERY STORE WAS SEVEN MILES AWAY. TO SAY I'VE SEEN FLEMING ISLAND GRILL IS AN UNDERSTATEMENT. OLD HARD WAS ONCE A DIRT ROAD THAT GOT GRADED MONTHLY. IT NEVER FLOODED WHEN I WAS YOUNGER. BUT THE AREA DEVELOPED IN SCHOOLS WERE BUILT AND FLOODING BECAME A REGULAR ISSUE. THE ROAD BECAME A BUSY CUT THROUGH AND THERE WERE TIMES WE COULDN'T LEAVE HOUSES BECAUSE THE ROAD WAS IMPOSSIBLE UNLESS YOU HAD A TRUCK LIKE --. IT TOOK A FIGHT TO GET THE ROAD PAVED AND NOW REMAINS A NARROW TWO LANE ROAD WITH DITCHES ON EITHER SIDE AND NO SIDEWALKS. TODAY WE ARE FACING THE SAME FIGHT TO HALT FURTHER DEVELOPMENT DO TO INADEQUATE INFRASTRUCTURE. I WAS PART OF THE FULL FIRST GRADUATING CLASS OF --. DURING MY FRESHMAN YEAR MY FRIEND AND NEIGHBOR TROY THAT SHE ACTUALLY TOOK ME TO AND FROM SCHOOL EACH DAY. AFTER HE GRADUATED MY MOM QUIT HER JOB TO ENSURE I GOT TO SCHOOL SAFELY. THIS IS BECAUSE RIDING MY BIKE ON OLD HARD WAS TOO DANGEROUS. THERE WERE NO BUSES THEN AND THAT IS STILL THE CASE TODAY FOR MY NEPHEW WHO ALSO LIVES ON CATTLE GAP.

HE CANNOT RIDE HIS BIKE TO SCHOOL BECAUSE OF INCREASED TRAFFIC, SAFETY CONCERNS, LACK OF SIDEWALKS. HIS MOM DRIVES THEM, BUT WHAT ABOUT THE CHILDREN IN THIS NEW DEVELOPMENT DON'T HAVE THAT OPTION? WAS SIDEWALKS TEST WITHOUT SIDEWALKS OR BUSES HOW THEY GET TO SCHOOL SAFELY? THE REST OF CHILDREN WALKING OR BIKING ON THIS ROAD IS SIGNIFICANT. I CURRENTLY LIVE AT 1915 COUNTY ROAD 220 WHICH HAS A BACK ENTRANCE TO OLD HARD. MY MOM AND BROTHER LIVE LESS THAN A QUARTER MILE AWAY ON CATTLE GAP BUT I CAN'T EVEN WALK OR RIDE MY BIKE TO THE HOUSE BECAUSE IT IS UNSAFE. I HAVE TO GO DOWN TO 20. NOW THEY ARE ACTUALLY CUTTING OFF MY U-TURN TO GET TO MY HOUSE RIGHT THERE AT -- ROAD. ONCE THE EMERGENCY ROOM ALSO GOES IN I WILL NO LONGER HAVE A SAFE WAY TO GET TO THE HOUSE BY BIKE OR WALKING. I WILL HAVE TO DRIVE THERE NO MATTER WHAT. FLOODING IS ANOTHER CRITICAL ISSUE.

BUILDING IN FLOOD ZONES AND RECKLESS AND SHOULD'VE NEVER BEEN ALLOWED UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES. RESIDENTS OF CATTLE GAP IN BLACK CREEP -- CREEK EXPERIENCED LEPORE PLANNING. WE NEVER HAD FLOODING ISSUES NOW RAPTORS DORMS ROADWAYS, MARINAS AND EVEN HOMES ARE THREATENED . ALLOWING DEVELOPMENT IN FLOOD PRONE AREAS WILL FURTHER THE PROBLEM.

WATER HAS TO GO SOMEWHERE AND IT IS INCREASINGLY ENDING UP IN OUR HOMES. THIS COULD'VE BEEN PREVENTED, BUT DECISIONS DRIVEN BY PROFIT PUT OUR COMMUNITY AT RISK. NEW DEVELOPMENT WILL EXACERBATE THESE ISSUES, ENDANGERING CURRENT AND FUTURE

RESIDENTS. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. MICHELLE DEUCE.

AFTER HER, MIKE WILLIAMSON. >> I PRESENTED AT 1958, KATHLEEN. -- CATTLE GAP LANE. EVERYTHING'S BEEN SAID. BEEN OUT THERE SINCE WE BROUGHT PROPERTY IN 1981. AT THE TIME IT WAS NO-NAME. I'VE SEEN A LOT OF CHANGE. THE TRAFFIC IS HORRIBLE. TO EVEN TRY TO PLAN TO GET TO A DOCTOR'S OFFICE YOU HAVE TO LEAVE REALLY EARLY. BUT MY MAIN CONCERN IS THE FLOODING. BECAUSE, AS MR. PATTON SAID, WE USED TO RIDE HORSES THROUGH WHAT IS NOW THE FLEMING ISLAND PLANTATION. WE TOOK A TRIP -- WE WOULD ENTER THE WORDS RIGHT THERE WHERE OLD HARD EAST AND. WHERE ALL OF THE ELECTRICAL STUFF IS ON THE ROAD. WE WOULD ENTER THE WOODS THERE AND THIS PARTICULAR TIME WE DECIDED WE WOULD GO RIGHT INSTEAD OF STRAIGHT TOWARD

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BLACK CREEK BECAUSE WE WOULD RIDE ALL THE WAY TO THE BRIDGE ON BLACK CREEK. WE STARTED GOING DOWN THAT RIGHT SIDE AND WE WERE JUST TALKING AND NOT PAYING ATTENTION AND ALL OF A SUDDEN MY, OH MY GOSH, WE'VE BEEN GOING DOWNHILL THIS WHOLE TIME. LOOK AT ALL THE CYPRUS -- WE NEED TO GET OUT OF HERE. WE WILL HAVE A GATOR CHASING US. IMAGINE MY SHOCK WHEN THEY STARTED BUILDING BLACK CREEK A FLEMING ISLAND COMMUNITY BACK THERE. I CAN'T EVEN IMAGINE HOW THAT WAS EVER PULLED OFF.

YOU HAVE BLACK CREEK ON ONE SIDE OF THE SUBDIVISION AND YOU HAVE ST. JOHNS RIVER TRIBUTARY OR -- I THINK THEY CALL IT -- WHAT IS IT? A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS. -- NOT TO MENTION THE WILDLIFE IN THERE. I THOUGHT YOU WEREN'T SUPPOSED TO BUILD WERE THERE WERE EAGLES. I'VE SEEN THE EAGLES COME OUT SMALL DOGS AS I'M SITTING ON MY BACK PORCH. SO I KNOW THEY ARE IN THERE. ANYWAY, IT IS VERY SAD. I HOPE YOU WILL SINCERELY CONSIDER TURNING THIS DOWN. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. WILLIAMSON AND AFTER MR. WILLIAMSON WE HAVE

JUSTIN DEUCE. >> THANK YOU FOR HAVING US. I WILL BE VERY QUICK. EVERYTHING HAS BEEN SET ALREADY. BUT WHAT CONCERNS ME MORE THAN ANYTHING ELSE IS SAFETY FOR THE NEIGHBORS, THE PEOPLE. WE HAVE ELDERLY PEOPLE LIVING REALLY CLOSE TO US. WE HAVE KIDS RIGHT DOWN THE ROAD. BEAUTIFUL CHILDREN. THEY LIVE RIGHT CLOSE TO US. WE HAVE FAMILIES THAT LIVE RIGHT OFF OLD HARD ROAD. THAT CONCERNS ME BECAUSE IT IS NOT GOING TO BE F, IT IS GOING TO BE WHEN. YOU HAVE TO GET AN EMERGENCY VEHICLE TO SOMEBODY'S HOUSE AND PICK THEM UP AND TAKE THEM TO THE HOSPITAL OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. THAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN. NO DOUBT IN MY MIND. MY DADDY USED TO SAY -- I WAS BORN AND RAISED ON A FARM THAT SHE IS TO SAY, SON, YOU CAN GET 10 POUNDS OF POTATOES AND A KROGER BAG THAT HOLDS 10 POUNDS VERY GOT 20 POUNDS OF POTATOES ON THAT BACK ON OLD HARD ROAD AND IT WILL NOT HOLD ANYMORE FOR SURE.

THANK YOU. MERRY CHRISTMAS. >> MERRY CHRISTMAS, SIR. JUSTIN DEUCE. AFTER MR. DEUCE IS STEVE GRANT.

>> IT EVENING, COMMISSIONERS. MY NAME IS JUSTIN DEUCE. I LIVED ON FLEMING ISLAND MY ENTIRE LIFE. I WATCH THE COMMUNITY GROW FROM THE QUIET AREA WITH A SINGLE BLINKING LIGHT ON HIGHWAY 17 INTO 20 TO WHAT IT IS TODAY. WHILE GROWTH BROUGHT MANY POSITIVES I AM REALLY FRUSTRATED BY THE PLANNING DECISIONS I PRIORITIZE OUTSIDE INTEREST OVER THE SAFETY AND WELL-BEING OF MYSELF AND HER RESIDENTS. GROWING UP OLD HARD ROAD AND CANOVA WAS A PEACEFUL DEAD-END STREET. SINCE THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE PLANTATION IT HAS BECOME A CHAOTIC SECONDARY ROUTE FOR COMMUTERS. RECKLESS SPEEDING AND UNSAFE PASSING ARE EVERYDAY OCCURRENCES TURNING WHAT WAS ONCE A SAFE STREET INTO A DANGER ZONE. WITH THE ADDITION OF THE ST. JOHN CLASSICAL ACADEMY AND THE PLAN TO JUNIOR HIGH SCHOOL TRAFFIC AND SAFETY CONCERNS HAVE SKYROCKETED. MY CHILDREN ARE CLASSIFIED AS WALKERS. THEY ARE EXPECTED TO NAVIGATE THIS HAZARDOUS ROAD WITHOUT SIDEWALKS, BIKE LANES, OR EVEN SHOULDERS FOR PROTECTION. THIS IS NOT JUST FRUSTRATING, IT IS UNACCEPTABLE. HIGHLIGHTS A GLARING FAILURE IN THE COUNTY PLANNING THAT IS CONSISTENTLY IGNORING THE SAFETY OF RESIDENTS DIRECTLY IMPACTED BY THESE DECISIONS. WE HAVE SEEN THIS KIND OF INACTION. IT IS NOT A HYPOTHETICAL AND WE KNOW WHAT THE COST IS. WHEN I WAS IN HIGH SCHOOL THERE WAS AN INTERSECTION ON HIGHWAY 17 AND 315. IT WAS NOTORIOUSLY DANGEROUS. IT WAS A BOTTLENECK

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FOR KIDS GETTING OUT OF HIGH SCHOOL. WE ALL USED TO SAY WHY DON'T THEY JUST PUT A RED LIGHT THERE? WHY DOESN'T THE COUNTY DO SOMETHING. THE COMMISSIONERS AT THE TIME DID.

IT TOOK THE DEATH OF MY CLASSMATES TO SPUR THAT ACTION.

IT WAS THE PRICE OF HIS LIFE FOR THAT CHANGE. MUST WE WAIT FOR ANOTHER PREVENTABLE TRAGEDY TO SPUR ACTION ON OLD HARD ROAD? HOW MANY LIVES MUST BE RISKED OR LOST FOR THE SAFETY OF THE COMMUNITY BECOMES YOUR PRIORITY? THIS COUNTY HISTORICAL NEGLECT FOR THE RESIDENTS OF OLD HARD ROAD AND CANOVA IS UNACCEPTABLE. BEFORE THE REZONING OF ANY PROPERTY ALONG OLD HARD ROAD AND CANOVA PUBLIC SAFETY INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS TO BE PUT IN PLACE. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT A SIDEWALK THAT SHOULD'VE BEEN DONE A LONG TIME AGO. CURRENTLY ONE HOME PER ACRE. ANYTHING MORE IS RECKLESS. IT IS MY STRONG RECOMMENDATION THAT ALL REMAINING PROPERTY ON OLD HARD ROAD THAT IS AGRICULTURAL REMAIN AGRICULTURAL WITH ONE HOME PER ACRE. REZONING EFFORTS MUST STOP. THE SAFETY OF OUR COMMUNITY SHOULD NOT -- NO LONGER BE AN AFTERTHOUGHT. WE SHOULD NOT WAIT FOR ANOTHER PREVENTABLE TRAGEDY TO FORCE CHANGE. NOW IS THE TIME TO PRIORITIZE SAFETY AND PROTECT LIVES AND ENSURE THE DEVELOPMENT HAPPENS RESPONSIBLY AND WITH THE WELL-BEING OF THE RESIDENTS AT ITS CORE. THE DANGERS ARE UNDENIABLE AND THE NEED FOR ACTION IS IMMEDIATE.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. STEVE GRANT.

AFTER MR. GRANT IS PAUL SORRELL.

>> IT EVENING, THE COMMISSIONERS. STEVE GRANT, 76 OLD HARD ROAD. I AM ONE OF THE PROPERTIES ADJACENT TO THIS PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT. I AM STRONGLY OPPOSED TO IT. MOST OF MY COMMENTS HAVE ALREADY BEEN SENT TONIGHT. I JUST WANT TO REITERATE A FEW THINGS. IT IS NOT JUST AN INCONVENIENCE WHERE WE LIVE RIGHT NOW BECAUSE OF OLD HARD. IT IS ACTUALLY NOT SAFE. ON TOP OF THAT, BY BUILDING ALL OF THESE HOMES RIGHT NEXT TO US WE ALREADY DO YOU HAVE SOME FLOODING ISSUES IN A TIMELY HAVE A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF RAIN. ALL OF THAT IS GOING TO BECOME OUR PROBLEM. I AM STRONGLY OPPOSED TO THIS AND I WOULD LIKE YOU GUYS TO REALLY THINK ABOUT THE COMMON SENSE.

ONE MORE THING, TO REITERATE ON TOP OF THE TRAFFIC AGAIN, TECHNOLOGY IS MAKING THE IS CUT THROUGH IS AVAILABLE TO EVERYBODY. SEVERAL YEARS AGO NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE WERE USING OLD HARD, BUT NOWADAYS WITH APPS THAT SHOW CUT THROUGH IS EVEN THE UBER DRIVER THAT WAS HERE JUST LAST WEEK SAID THAT IS NOW A DEFINED PATH ON ALL OF THESE NAVIGATIONAL MEANS. I AM STRONGLY OPPOSED TO THIS. PLEASE CONSIDER THIS. THANK

YOU. >> THANK YOU. PAUL SORRELL.

AFTER MR. SORRELL IS JIM HURTLE.

>> IT EVENING. PAUL SORRELL, 57 OLD HARD ROAD. I GET TO BE DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM THIS PROPOSAL. I WILL BEAT A DEAD HORSE. I WILL DO IT FROM A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE IF YOU WELL. TRAFFIC SHOULD KILL THIS, PERIOD. EVERYTHING THAT HAS BEEN DISCUSSED. IS JUST LIPSTICK. THE ISSUE IS A COUPLE PEOPLE MENTIONED VOLUME. UNTIL YOU DEAL WITH THE VOLUME OR YOU DO SOMETHING REALLY SUBSTANTIAL WHEN YOU CREATE A FOUR LANE ROAD THERE WHICH I AM NOT A PROPONENT OF, BELIEVE ME, YOU CAN'T GET AROUND THIS. I AM TALKING TO YOU ABOUT THIS FROM A PERSPECTIVE AS A CAREER IN LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIAL INCLUDING EIGHT YEARS AS CHIEF OF POLICE IN A VERY DENSE COMMUNITY THAT EXPERIENCED EXACTLY WHAT IS GOING ON HERE.

THE ISSUE, AS I SAID, IS VOLUME. NONE OF THE PROPOSALS -- EVERYONE HAS A JOB TO DO. I AM NOT ANTI-DEVELOPMENT, HOWEVER THERE ARE SOME THINGS YOU JUST CAN'T GET AROUND.

JOHN SPOKE ABOUT LEFT TURN DESIGNATED LANE, ALL OF THAT, DOES NOTHING TO MITIGATE THE VOLUME. I WILL SHARE A COUPLE THINGS THAT YESTERDAY UP PAST MY HOUSE. PEOPLE DO LET ME IN MY DRIVEWAY. TODAY I HAD THE PLEASURE OF WATCHING THE YOUNG MAN IN A LARGE LIFTED TRUCK GOT FRUSTRATED AS PEOPLE DO AND HE DECIDED TO DRIVE THE WRONG WAY RIGHT TOWARDS THE INTERSECTION OF OLD HARD ROAD.

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I WAS ON THE WAY HERE, AS A MATTER FACT. THIS IS A KIND OF THING YOU SEE. I REFER TO IT AS COMBAT DRIVING. NOT GOING TO CHANGE THESE PEOPLES -- THEIR FRUSTRATION. TURNING IT INTO RIGHT LANE ONLY AT 220 WILL CREATE A LOT OF PROBLEMS. BECAUSE THEY WILL COME DOWN AND THEY WILL MAKE U-TURNS. I DON'T CARE HOW FAR THEY HAVE TO GO. IT IS JUST WHAT PEOPLE DO. ONE OF THE THINGS I'VE HEARD, THE COMMON REFRAIN HERE TONIGHT IS THAT THERE WILL BE SOMEWHERE THAT PEOPLE ARE ESTIMATED BECAUSE THERE HAS BEEN NO TRAFFIC STUDY APPARENTLY. THERE SHOULD BE A REQUIREMENT IN MY OPINION. BUT ANYWAY, I THINK THE NUMBERS BEING TOSSED AROUND AND I ARE VERY LOW. IN MY OPINION EVEN WITH THE REDUCTION TO 156 DWELLINGS YOU ARE PROBABLY LOOKING AT SUMMER PUSHING AROUND 1000 VEHICLE TRIPS A DAY. WHEN YOU START FACTORING IN HOW PEOPLE LIVE THEIR LIFESTYLE, THAT IS WHAT WE ARE DEALING WITH. THE BOTTOM LINE FOR ME, IS THAT I DON'T SEE ANY WAY AROUND THE TRAFFIC VOLUME ISSUE AND THEREFORE TRAFFIC SAFETY. TRAFFIC SAFETY ISSUES EXIST HERE AND THE THINGS DISCUSSED AREN'T GOING TO CUT IT. AS FAR AS THINGS LIKE HOUSES THAT ONE SO, I'VE BEEN IN REAL ESTATE AS WELL FOR OVER FOUR YEARS AND THAT IS A RED HERRING. IF A HOUSE DOESN'T SELL IT IS JUST NOT PRICED CORRECTLY. THAT IS JUST THE TRUTH. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. YOU CAN SEE, A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE PASSIONATE ABOUT THIS.

>> THANK YOU, MR. SORRELL. AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE. JIM HURTLE? FOR THE RECORD, SHE IS DEFERRING. EVERYONE SAID WHAT SHE HAD TO SAY. WE HAVE ANGELA MALLERY?

>> THANK YOU. I FIRST WANT TO BRING UP THE ARTICLE THREE LAND USE -- ENVIRONMENT CHARACTER COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING AREAS. THE DENSER ADJACENT NEIGHBORHOODS ARE THREE HOMES PER ACRE. THAT IS CITING THE MAXIMUM OF THAT ZONING. NOT THE ACTUAL. I AM ON A 3.74 ACRE LOT. I KNOW THAT IS KIND OF HIM ANOMALY, BUT I DO NOT BELIEVE WE ARE DEVELOPED THREE HOMES PER ACRE. AS FAR AS CONSISTENT WITH THE DENSITY OF THE AREA, I DID SOME MATH . I'M NOT VERY GOOD AT IT, BUT TO THE NORTH OF THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT IT IS PROPOSING 15 HOMES. CURRENTLY ON THE OTHER SIDE OF OLD HARD ROAD THERE ARE SIX. TO THE WEST PROPOSING 26 HOMES. CURRENTLY THERE ARE SIX. TO THE SOUTH, PROPOSING 16 ON THAT EDGE.

CURRENTLY THERE ARE ZERO BECAUSE IT IS A CONSERVATION EASEMENT. BLACK LICK -- CREEK EAGLE HARBOR IS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT IS FINE. TO THE EAST PROPOSING 20 HOMES AND CURRENTLY NINE THAT WOULD BE BORDERING. AS FAR AS CONSISTENT WITH THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THAT REALLY DOESN'T SEEM THAT WAY. TALKING 21 HOMES CURRENTLY THAT WOULD BE ADJACENT TO THIS DEVELOPMENT AND 77 HOMES TOUCHING THE DEVELOPMENT. REGARDING THE TRAFFIC, I DON'T BELIEVE THE NEW LIGHT WILL CHANGE ANYTHING. MY CHILD DOES GO TO THAT SCHOOL. AS PARENTS WE ARE DIRECTED TO -- ACTUALLY WE MUST USE OLD HARD ROAD AND CANOVA TO GET INTO THE SCHOOL. WE ARE NOT ALLOWED TO DROP OFF OR PICK UP CHILDREN FROM 220 IN ORDER TO ALLEVIATE TRAFFIC ON 220. THAT WILL NOT CHANGE ANYTHING. AND THE SCHOOL IS GROWING. IT THE GYMNASIUM, NOT JUST A GYMNASIUM. ADDITIONAL CLASSROOMS BEING BUILT SO THEY ARE ANTICIPATING THE STUDENT BODY GROWING EVEN MORE IN THE NEAR FUTURE FOR THAT SCHOOL. SOME OBSERVATIONS THIS MORNING, 7:10 A.M. I WAS ON OLD HARD HITTING EAST-WEST PARKWAY.

THREE VEHICLES TURNING INTO PRUITT HEALTH CUTTING THROUGH THE PARKING LOT IN ORDER TO GET ON EAST-WEST, MAKE A U-TURN,

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HAD TO BE HIGH SCHOOL. THREE VEHICLES GOING INTO ONCOMING TRAFFIC, THROUGH THE HEALTHCARE FACILITY TO MAKE A U-TURN. THIS AFTERNOON TAKING MAKE IT HOME FROM SCHOOL I COUNTED 13 VEHICLES AT THE INTERSECTION OF OLD HARD AND AT THE STOP SIGN.

THAT WAS BACKED UP AT THE STOP SIGN. I WOULD LIKE TO REITERATE

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. I HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO THE OTHERS OF YOU THAT CAME IN. I THINK YOU CAME IN AFTER THE SWEARING IN SO I WILL SAY THE NAMES ON THE CARDS THAT I HAVE AND IF YOU HAVE NOT BEEN SWORN IN PREVIOUSLY PLEASE STAND AND WE WILL SWEAR YOU IN. AND WE WILL HEAR THE FINAL SEVEN CARDS. I HAVE SHANNON SCHMIDT, MARGO ARCHER, MIKE DIAZ KAREN DAVIS. SHE SAYS SHE DOESN'T FEEL THE NEED TO SPEAK. THANK YOU, MISS DAVIS. PATTY WATSON.

>> WATSON. WE HAVE CARRIE MARSHALL. WERE YOU SWORN IN? OKAY. AND OXFORD? YOUR FINE? OKAY. YOU DON'T WANT TO SPEAK OR YOU WERE SWORN IN? YOU ARE ALREADY SWORN IN? OKAY. THE THREE STANDING, IF YOU WANT TO SWEAR THEM IN.

>> DO SOLEMNLY SWEAR OR AFFIRM THE TESTIMONY WILL GIVE WILL BE THE WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH SO HELP YOU GOD?

>> THANK YOU. NEXT UP IS OXFORD.

>> THANK YOU. 103 MANORVILLE DRIVE, JACKSONVILLE, FLORIDA.

NOT CLAY COUNTY, BUT I DID LIVE HERE FOR 11 YEARS SO I HAVE A SENSE OF THE COUNTY. I WAS ASKED TO LOOK AT THE CRITERIA FOR THE APPLICATION AS WELL AS A COPPELL ABILITY QUESTION BY MIRANDA HOMES. I RETIRED LAST YEAR AFTER 26 YEARS WITH THE CITY OF JACKSONVILLE SERVING THE LAST 11 YEARS AS CHIEF OF ZONING OR PLANNING DIRECTOR. OVER THE COURSE OF MY TENURE I'VE SEEN THOUSANDS E- LITERALLY THOUSANDS OF ZONING APPLICATIONS. I CAN TELL YOU I DO NOT MISS MEETINGS LIKE THIS.

IT IS GOOD TO BE RETIRED. OR SEMIRETIRED. I WENT OVER THE STAFF REPORT. THEY DID ADDRESS THE CRITERIA INVOLVED AND ANALYZING THIS. I DO CONCUR WITH THEIR ANALYSIS OF CONCLUSIONS. THEY RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF THIS. IT DOES ME THE CONFIDENCE OF PLAN. THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP. IT DOES WITH THE GOALS, OBJECTIVES, POLICIES OF THE COMPOUNDS OF PLAN IN THE STAFF REPORT. AS FAR AS COMPATIBILITY, DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN THE EXACT TYPE OF APPLE NEXT TO THE EXACT TYPE OF APPLE. YOU CAN HAVE DIFFERENT VARIETIES OF APPLE.

THIS IS A REQUEST FOR SINGLE-FAMILY DEVELOPMENT TO GO INTO A BUDDING NATIONAL DOWN THE STREET FROM, BUT ABUTTING SINGLE-FAMILY DEVELOPMENT OF REASONABLY SIMILAR DENSITY. I THINK THAT IS A REASONABLE REQUEST. TIMES HAVE CHANGED.

WHEN I LIVED DOWN HERE 1993 TO 2004 OLD HARD ROAD WAS A DEAD-END ROAD. FLEMING ISLAND PLANTATION WEARS AN OLD AIRFIELD WHERE PEOPLE DO DRAGRACING. IT HAS CHANGED. I MAY ACCIDENTALLY CALLED IT OLD PLANK ROAD -- BUT OLD HARD ROAD HAS NOW BEEN CONNECTED TO FLEMING AND IT HAS AN EFFECT BY PERMISSION OF THE COUNTY BECOME A THROUGH ROADWAY NOW. IT CERTAINLY DOESN'T NEED IMPROVEMENTS . I DROVE IT TONIGHT. FIRST TIME I'VE EVER BEEN ABLE TO DRIVE ALL THE WAY THROUGH. AND IT IS PRETTY BUSY. THE CRITERIA FOUND IN YOUR CODE IS WHAT MATTERS AND IT NEEDS THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, IT MEETS THE GOALS AND OBJECTIVES. AND I THINK IT IS REASONABLY CONSISTENT WITH THE INCREASING PATTERN OF DEVELOPMENT IN THE AREA. BACK IN THE DAY THERE WERE NO UTILITIES. NOT EVEN SEWER AVAILABILITY. DEVELOPMENTS IN EVERY DIRECTION. THIS SEEMS TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE PATTERN OF DEVELOPMENT IN THE AREA. IT IS MY OPINION THE STAFF REPORT IS CORRECT AND THAT SHOULD BE APPROVED IN I AM AVAILABLE FOR

QUESTIONS. >> THANK YOU, SIR. CARRIE MARSHALL? AFTER MISS MARSHALL IS MR. DIAZ.

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>> CARRIE MARSHALL, 1988 CATTLE GAP LANE. I'M GLAD I SPOKE AFTER HE SPOKE. HE JUST TALKED ABOUT THE COMPATIBILITY. FIRST OFF, LET ME SAY THANK YOU FOR CARRYING US OUT. IT SHOWS RESPONSIBLE GOVERNMENT. I WILL ADMITTEDLY SAY THAT THIS IS MY SECOND TIME COMING HERE. I DON'T USUALLY ATTEND THIS. THE LAST ONE I ACTUALLY DID ATTEND WAS FOR THIS EXACT SAME PURPOSE. IN 2019 A DIFFERENT BUYER CAME AND MET ALL THE SAME CRITERIA LISTED LAST TIME HE JUST WENT THROUGH. EVERYTHING WAS MET TO PUSH FORWARD. BUT AFTER THE COMMUNITY THEY WERE ABLE TO NOT PUSH IT FORWARD. THAT IS WHAT I WANT TO SAY TONIGHT, EVERYBODY TALKED ABOUT THE TRAFFIC, SATURATION, FLOODING, SAFETY, PEDESTRIANS. I WANTED TO BRING UP SOME OF THE THINGS THE DEVELOPER PRESENTED. HE SAID HE WANTED TO WORK WITH THE COMMUNITY. HE DISCUSSED A MEMORIAL TREE.

MISSES PARTRIDGES DECEASED HUSBAND. I WANTED TO BRING UP THE ORIGINAL DEED MR. PARTRIDGE HAD SAID HE DID NOT WANT THIS LAND TO BE DEVELOPED. HE WANTED IT TO STAY CONSISTENT WITH FARMLAND. IF WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT SENTIMENT, I'M NOT SURE TREE COVERS IT. LOOK AT THE ORIGINAL DEED. I ALSO ATTENDED THE PLANNING COMMISSION BOARD MEETINGS AND WHICH THE BUILDER SAID THEY WERE SHOOTING FOR 1600 TO 2000 SQUARE FOOT HOMES AT A STARTING PRICE OF $500,000. INITIALLY 170 SOMETHING HOMES AND NOW DOWN TO 156. I GUESS MY POINT WOULD BE IF YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT $500,000 HOMES AND HUNDRED AND 50 HOMES AND SELLING THEM AT THAT PRICE IT IS A BENEFIT? IT SOUNDS LIKE IT WILL BENEFIT THE BUILDER. I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT WILL BENEFIT THE COMMUNITY. I STRONGLY OPPOSE AND HOPE YOU

WILL TOO. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, MISS MARSHALL.

MIKE DIAZ? AFTER MR. DIAZ IS MARGO ARCHER.

>> GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS MIKE DIAZ. 4635 KANGAROO STREET, MIDDLEBURG, FLORIDA. I'M STANDING UP HERE BECAUSE -- THIS IS MY GENERAL AREA WHERE I LIVE, BUT I AM AFRAID FOR THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THIS GENERAL AREA. IT SEEMS TO ME THE BIG ISSUE NOW ISN'T JUST DEVELOPMENT. STRENGTHENING YOUR TOWN, CITIES, SMALLER TOWNS AND MAKING ANYTHING AVAILABLE TO YOU THAT YOU NEED. BUT THE ISSUE IS OVERDEVELOPMENT.

OVERDEVELOPMENT IS RINGING IN SOME FLOODING, IT IS RIPPING OUT SOME OF THE AGRICULTURAL STUFF HERE AND PULLING AWAY FROM THE AREA. PULLING FLORIDA OUT OF FLORIDA IS WHAT I AM ESSENTIALLY SAYING. THE PLANS THAT ABSORB THE WATER , SWAMPS IN CERTAIN AREAS. THEY NATURALLY KEEP FLOODING AWAY FROM CERTAIN AREAS. WHEN THAT IS GONE WE GET HOUSES THAT ARE FLOODED NOW. I NEVER USED TO BE THIS WAY. BUT IN MY PAST MILITARY EXPERIENCE ONE OF THE KEY THINGS THEY TELL US IS DON'T MESS WITH THE ENVIRONMENT. DON'T MESS WITH THE ANIMALS. IF THEY ARE TELLING PEOPLE THAT THEY ARE CONSTANTLY TRAINING TO HUNT AFTER THE BAD GUY DO NOT TOUCH ANY OF THAT STUFF BECAUSE IT IS GOING TO HARM YOU TYPICALLY THAT MEANS SOMETHING AND OCCASIONALLY YOU DO SEE THAT.

THAT IS FOR ANOTHER TIME.

>> $5000 FINE IF YOU KILL ONE , ONE DEVELOPER TOLD ME, YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND CLEAR OVER THE LAND AND JUST ASK FOR FORGIVENESS LATER, REALLY THEY ARE JUST PAYING A SMALL FINE AND JAIL TIME . I'M COMPLETELY AGAINST THIS, WE'VE GOT ? WE AR PULLING AWAY FROM WHAT IS HOME, IT IS AGRICULTURAL LAND, AND

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WHEN I RETIRE, I WANTED TO BE A FARMER. I HAVE DREAMS TO BE BIGGER, BUT WHEN WAS IT LOOKED DOWN UPON TO GO OUT AND DO THIS? WHY CAN'T I GROW FOOD FOR MY FAMILY ON A ONE ACRE LOT ? THIS IS ESSENTIALLY STOPPING PEOPLE FROM HAVING THEIR OWN SLICE OF THE AMERICAN DREAM, THIS IS TAKEN AWAY.

>> THANK YOU MR. DIAZ. MARGO ARCHER, THEN SHANNON SCHMIDT .

>> I WILL KEEP THIS SHORT AND SWEET, 2141 LAHORE DRIVE, I WANT TO SAY THAT PEOPLE TOUCHED ON GREAT POINTS HERE TONIGHT, THE ONLY THING I WANT TO BRING UP IS WHEN YOU ARE GOING DOWN OLD HORN ROAD, ESPECIALLY DURING THOSE PEAK TIMES, THE TRAFFIC , WHEN EMERGENCY PERSONNEL WANTS TO COME THROUGH TO HELP SOMEONE, RIGHT NOW, IT IS A PROBLEM. CAN YOU IMAGINE WHEN ALL THOSE HOMES ARE BUILT IN THE TRAFFIC , THERE'S NOWHERE FOR ANYONE TO PULL OFF . TO GET OUT OF THE WAY TO LET RESCUE OR POLICE PERSONNEL THROUGH COME YOU CANNOT DRIVE INTO A DITCH , WHERE ARE WE GOING TO PULL OFF TO LET EMERGENCY PERSONNEL GET IN? I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER . DOES ANYONE HAVE AN ANSWER? DO YOU HAVE AN ANSWER ? SO WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY IS, OUR SAFETY IS AT RISK, LET'S THINK ABOUT THAT, TOO. I'M NOT GOING TO GO OUT INTO A DITCH, I'M SORRY.

IT IS GOING TO BE BACKED UP AND SOME PEOPLE ARE GOING TO LOSE THEIR LIVES , THAT IS ALL I HAVE TO SAY, THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU, SHANNON SCHMIDT.

>> THANK YOU ALL FOR LISTENING TONIGHT, WE LIVE AT 89 OLD HARD ROAD AND WE ARE OPPOSED TO THIS DEVELOPMENT, WE HAVE NO IMMEDIATE ISSUES FOR IT TO BE APPROVED AT THE ONE ACRE PER HOMESITE, BUT WE DO HAVE SIGNIFICANT ISSUES THAT YOU HAVE ALL HEARD MULTIPLE TIMES THIS EVENING THAT WE WOULD LIKE

FOR YOU TO CONSIDER. THANK YOU. >> I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND I WILL BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMISSION.

COMMISSIONER SGROMOLO, THIS IS YOUR DISTRICT IF YOU HAVE

COMMENTS . >> YES, I WOULD LIKE TO START WITH SOME COMMENTS AND FOLLOWED BY A MOTION UNLESS MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS HAVE FELLOW -- FURTHER COMMENTS. FIRST, THANK YOU TO EVERYBODY WHO TOOK THE TIME TO BE HERE, I KNOW MANY OF YOU HAD TO GET CHILD CARE TO BE HERE AND CHANGE YOUR SCHEDULES SO I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT. I HAVE HEARD A LOT ABOUT OUR DISTRICT, THIS BEING MY SECOND COUNTY COMMISSION MEETING, SOME OF YOU I'M GOING TO FOLLOW-UP WITH TO LEARN MORE ABOUT THE OPPORTUNITIES YOU ARE FACING. MR. MOLDOVAN, I APPRECIATE THE CONVERSATIONS WE'VE HAD ABOUT THIS PROJECT, RHONDA HOLMES IS A NICE PROJECT, AS A COUNTY COMMISSIONER, THAT IS IMPORTANT TO ME , FLOATING ISLAND RESERVE, WHICH WAS GOOD.

ULTIMATELY FOR ME, THIS PROJECT IS FITTING A SQUARE PEG INTO A ROUND HOLE , AND WHILE WE CANNOT REWRITE HISTORY, WE CAN SHAPE THE FUTURE OF OUR COMMUNITY AND THAT IS OUR JOB , I BELIEVE THAT THIS IS ONE OF THE MOST BEAUTIFUL STRETCHES OF FLEMING ISLAND. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE ZONING MAP, THE WHOLE ISLAND , THIS IS THE ONLY PIECE OF GREEN THAT IS LEFT ON THE ENTIRE ISLAND . I'M A BIG FAN OF CHOICE, I REALLY BELIEVE THAT PEOPLE IN OUR COMMUNITY SHOULD HAVE CHOICE IF YOU WANT TO LEAVE -- LIVE IN A PUD, WE SHOULD HAVE OPTIONS. IF YOU WANT TO LIVE ON A BEAUTIFUL THREE OR FOUR ACRE HOME, YOU MIGHT PAY FOR IT NOW BUT NEVERTHELESS, THAT SHOULD BE AN OPTION, I WANT TO SEE THAT SMALL TOWN CHARM REMAIN. I'M IN A LITTLE BIT OF DISAGREEMENT WITH THE ZONING COMPATIBILITY , THREE OF THE FOUR IMMEDIATE SURROUNDING PARCELS AROUND THIS PARCEL ARE NOT PUD , THE ONLY ONE THAT IS PUD IS THE ONE THAT IS DIRECTLY SOUTH BUT NORTH AND EAST OF THIS PARCEL ARE AR AND TO ME PERSONALLY, I THINK THIS IS A GREAT EXAMPLE OF WHAT WOULD BE A GREAT FIT FOR THIS PARCEL , ACRE PLUS LOTS ON THAT SPACE. I APPRECIATE DANIELLE'S STORY OF LIVING IN THE AREA

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GROWING UP, I ALSO GREW UP IN FLEMING ISLAND, I MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE PLAYED PAINTBALL WITH MY DAD BACK IN SOME OF THE UNDERDEVELOPED AREAS, THOSE WERE MY GREATEST MEMORIES GROWING UP BUT ULTIMATELY, FIVE PARCELS BECOMING ONE BIG SUBDIVISION I WOULD MUCH RATHER SEE THIS BEING SPLIT OFF AND MAYBE FIVE SINGLE PARCELS , OR ULTIMATELY KEEPING THE ZONING AS IT IS AND I'M ALSO IN FAVOR OF PERSONAL PROPERTY RIGHTS , MS. PARTRIDGE DOES HAVE THE ABILITY TO DEVELOP UNDER THE CURRENT ZONING AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT I'M IN FAVOR

OF. >> AND OUT OF RESPECT TO THE

FELLOW COMMISSIONERS -- >> I FORGOT TO ALLOW THE APPLICANT TO HAVE HIS REBUTTAL TIME SO HE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE

THAT QUICKLY, PLEASE. >> YES, THANK YOU SO MUCH MADAME CHAIR, I JUST WANT TO START WITH SAYING THANK YOU TO EVERYONE FOR BEING HERE, I KNOW DEVELOPERS GET A BAD RAP, I HAVE THE UTMOST RESPECT FOR THESE NEIGHBORS, I ALSO GREW UP VERY RURAL IN THE MOUNTAINS OF VIRGINIA, THE UNITED STATES NAVAL AVIATION TOOK ME AWAY FROM THAT, BY CHOICE. BUT, WHEN I GO BACK, MY TONE LOOKS TOTALLY DIFFERENT AND IT IS HEARTBREAKING SO I DO SHARE RESPECT FOR THE NEIGHBORS COMMENTS . I'M NOT GOING TO SIT HERE AND DISAGREE WITH THE NEIGHBORS, THEY KNOW THIS AREA BETTER THAN I DO BUT WHAT I CAN TRY TO DO IS ADDRESS THE CONCERNS. FOR THE TIMELINE OF THE IMPROVEMENTS ON THE ROADWAY, WE'VE HEARD FROM THE COUNTY ENGINEER IT IS GOING TO BE STARTING IN JANUARY AND I'M TRULY HOPING THIS ADDRESSES A LOT OF THOSE ISSUES WITH CONGESTION AND TRAFFIC SAFETY. WE HEARD FROM THE FIRE MARSHAL HE DOES NOT LIKE THE IDEA OF BOXES ON GATES, WE ARE AGREEABLE TO ADDING A SECOND ENTRANCE, WE CAN WORK THAT OUT.

SOMEBODY MENTIONED THAT THE PRESENT CONDITIONS DO NOT PERMIT FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT, WHAT I WANT TO MENTION IS THAT IF YOU DID FEEL COMPELLED TO GRANT US APPROVAL TONIGHT, THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE GO TO BUILD TOMORROW. THERE'S ABOUT A TWO YEAR TIMELINE, WE HAVE TO DO SOME CONSTRUCTION, CIVIL PLAN REVIEW PROCESS , THAT GETS VETTED BY YOUR ENGINEERS, WE HAVE TO PRESENT TRAFFIC STUDIES AND FIGURE OUT WHAT SORT OF IMPROVEMENTS WOULD WARRANT THIS LEVEL OF HOMES . THERE'S SO MUCH THAT GOES INTO IT. WE ARE HERE REQUESTING A REZONING, WE HAVE TO GO BEFORE THE ST. JOHNS RIVER WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT FOR ENVIRONMENTAL RESOURCE PERMIT, WE HAVE TO PRESENT PROTECTED SPECIES SURVEY WHERE THEY WOULD IDENTIFY IF THERE ARE ANY PROTECTED SPECIES, WE DON'T GET TO TAKE THE FINES LATER, THAT IS NOT HOW IT WORKS BUT WE HAVE TO PRESENT THAT SURVEY AND WE HAVE TO EITHER EXCLUDE THAT PORTION OF THE LAND OR STOP DEVELOPMENT UNTIL IT IS OUTSIDE MATING SEASON.

THERE'S SO MUCH HOOPS YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH AND SOMETIMES IT TURNS OUT YOU MAY HAVE THE ZONING BUT YOU GO FOR THE ENVIRONMENTAL RESOURCE PERMIT AND IT TURNS OUT IT IS NOT A FEASIBLE DEVELOPMENT, ALL OF THAT IS STILL UP IN THE AIR, WE ARE JUST ASKING FOR REZONING TONIGHT. THE PEAK HOUR TRAFFIC ISSUE, WE UNDERSTAND THAT , WE ARE AGREEABLE TO WORKING WITH COUNTY STAFF AND THE ENGINEER AS WELL AS WITH COMMISSIONERS TO COME UP WITH OFF-SITE IMPROVEMENT AGREEMENT .

MAILBOXES, I HAVE SPOKE WITH SEVERAL OF THE NEIGHBORS ON THE NORTH SIDE, WE ARE AGREEABLE TO DOING SOMETHING, IF THEY CAN'T GET THE MAILBOXES ON THEIR SIDE, WE AGREED TO PUT A COVERED KIOSK WHERE THEY CAN PULL OFF SAFELY AND CHECK THEIR MAIL APPROPRIATELY IF THE COUNTY SEES FIT, WE WOULD PUT IN A CROSSWALK ACROSS OLD HARD ROCK ROAD , WE ARE AGREEABLE TO TRAFFIC MEASURES, WHETHER IT IS A THREE-WAY STOP, ALL OF THIS CAN GET IRONED OUT EITHER IN CIVIL PLAN REVIEW OR AGREEABLE TO CONTINUING THIS IN MEETING WITH YOU ALL FURTHER . IT IS APPARENT THERE IS A LOT MORE WORK TO BE DONE, IT IS IN OUR BEST INTEREST TO MAKE SURE WE ARE PUTTING OUR BEST FOOT FORWARD, THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT SELLS OUT OVERNIGHT, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE SURROUNDING AREA IS SUPPORTED AND THE RESIDENCE THAT COME EARLY HAVE NOTHING BUT GOOD TO REPORT ABOUT IT. IT IS IN OUR BEST INTEREST TO MAKE SURE WE ARE ADDRESSING THESE CONCERNS. ULTIMATELY, I HAVE SUBMITTED INTO THE RECORD, AMPLE COMPETENT SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE, WE HAVE THE FORMER CHIEF OF PLANNING FOR THE CITY OF JACKSONVILLE WITH DECADES OF EXPERIENCE, EXPLAINING THAT THERE IS COMPATIBILITY . ALTHOUGH WE ARE GOING PUD, THAT A BUDDING PROPERTY, WE ARE MIRRORING THAT CONVENTIONAL ZONING DISTRICT, THE REASON WE WENT PUD IS IT ALLOWS US TO NARROWLY TAILOR THIS ORDINANCE, WE CAN PUT IN DIFFERENT LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENTS, COMPLEMENTARY LANDSCAPE BUFFERS, ALL THESE THINGS WE ARE GOING TO PUT IN BERMS WITHIN THOSE BUFFERS IT IS HELP WITH VISUAL SCREENING,

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ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERNS, ENGINEERING THE PROPERTY, YOU EXPERIENCE RUNOFF BECAUSE THERE IS NO STORMWATER MANAGEMENT ENGINEERING ON THIS PROPERTY RIGHT NOW. WE ARE PROPOSING AMPLE AMOUNT OF STORM WATER MANAGEMENT FACILITY TO HOPEFULLY HELP WITH ANY FLOOD RISK. ALL THIS TO SAY, I WOULD LOVE TO SPEAK WITH YOU FOR ANOTHER HOUR AND A HALF, I RESPECT EVERYBODY'S TIME, EVERYBODY IS TAKING TIME AWAY FROM THEIR FAMILIES DURING DINNER TIME, ON MY ACCOUNT, I'M SORRY TO DO THAT TO YOU, I CERTAINLY DO APPRECIATE YOUR SERVICE AND WITH THAT, I WOULD REQUEST A CONTINUANCE , PREFERABLY UNTIL MAY TO SEE WHAT HAPPENS WITH THESE ROAD IMPROVEMENTS, IF THESE DON'T SOLVE THE ISSUE, IT MAY NOT BE FEASIBLE FOR US TO DEVELOP BUT, AT THE VERY LATEST, I WOULD REQUEST THE MEETING IN FEBRUARY, THIS WOULD ALLOW US TO CONDUCT A THOROUGH TRAFFIC STUDY, GET WITH COUNTY STAFF AND OUR COMMISSIONERS AND FIGURE OUT A SOLUTION, WE ARE

AGREEABLE TO SOLUTIONS. >> NOW I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR YOUR MOTION IF YOU STILL WANT TO MAKE IT.

>> YES, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO DENY THE REZONING ON AGENDA ITEM 18 FOR THE OLD HARBOR ROAD PARCEL.

>> OKAY, DO WE HAVE A SECOND ?

>> SECOND. >> OKAY, NO FURTHER DISCUSSION.

>> THE SECOND COMMISSION MEETING , BUT I AM DISTRICT 5, COMMISSIONER, I'M NOT SURE IF ANY OF YOU KNOW BUT I'VE HAD THIS COME UP TO ME OVER AND OVER AGAIN, AND IT'S A HARD THING TO DEAL WITH . MY BUSINESS , I'VE HAD A PRACTICE FOR 25 YEARS, I KNOW THIS AREA VERY WELL, ONE OF MY DAUGHTERS WENT TO THE ACADEMY FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS WITH SOME HEALTH ISSUES AND WAS VERY THANKFUL FOR THAT SCHOOL. BUT, I DEFINITELY , I'M DEFINITELY CONCERNED, OUR MAIN OBJECTIVE IS TO LOOK OUT FOR THE SAFETY OF OUR CITIZENS AND THE DITCH THING, I WOULD BRING MY DAUGHTER TO SCHOOL, MANY MORNINGS , I THOUGHT I WAS GOING TO END UP IN THE DITCH AND I CAN'T BELIEVE PEOPLE HAVE TO LIVE LIKE THIS ALL THE TIME AND I HAVE TO THINK WAY BACK WHEN , WE WEREN'T AROUND BACK THEN AS FAR AS BEING ON THE BOARD BUT, WHAT WAS THIS AREA MEANT TO BE? AND MY DISTRICT, WE HAVE A MASTER PLAN, WE HAVE TONS OF DEVELOPMENT COMING IN AND THAT'S WHAT THAT AREA WAS MEANT FOR BACK THEN, EVIDENTLY THEY VOTED, THE RESIDENCE WERE OKAY WITH IT BUT, OLD HARD ROAD, IT DOESN'T TAKE A GENIUS TO LOOK AND SEE THAT'S NOT WHAT IT WAS MEANT FOR . KIDS THAT LIVE IN THIS AREA SHOULD BE ABLE TO WALK TO SCHOOL, THEY SHOULD HAVE A SIDEWALK, THEY SHOULD HAVE SPACE TO RIDE THEIR BIKE, WE HAVE ALWAYS LIVED FURTHER OUT AND MY KIDS ALWAYS WANTED TO BE THOSE KIDS GOT TO RIDE TO SCHOOL AND WE DIDN'T LIVE CLOSE ENOUGH BUT THESE KIDS LIVE CLOSE ENOUGH AND THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO GET TO SCHOOL SAFELY BUT THEY CAN'T, NOW YOU ARE GOING TO PUT MORE HOMES WHERE THESE KIDS STILL HAVE TO FIND A WAY TO GET TO SCHOOL SAFELY, BECAUSE THE BUS DOESN'T COME THERE. SO, I HAVE ASKED THE ENGINEER, IS THIS ROAD EVEN POSSIBLE TO BE WIDENED? AND TO GET THE SHOULDERS ON EITHER SIDE WOULD COST ABOUT $2.5 MILLION, SO IF YOU TALK ABOUT EVEN ADDING ANOTHER LANE , THEN YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE TO GO BY RIGHT-OF-WAY FOR RESIDENTS WHICH IS GOING TO BE MORE MONEY FOR THE COUNTY WHEN AGAIN, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT'S WHAT THIS ROAD WAS INTENDED FOR. SO, AND I HAVE ASKED DEVELOPERS MULTIPLE TIMES IN MY DISTRICT, WHY CAN'T WE HAVE LARGE ESTATES, WHY CAN'T WE HAVE ACRE LOTS, THERE'S PEOPLE THAT WOULD PAY OVER $1 MILLION, AND I'VE HAD PEOPLE TELL ME THAT REGULARLY BUT YET DEVELOPERS REFUSE TO EVEN CONSIDER THAT .

SO THIS IS A PERFECT PLACE FOR THAT. UNFORTUNATELY THE RESIDENCE HERE, THIS IS PROBABLY GOING TO BE DEVELOPED ONE DAY BUT OF COURSE I WOULD DEFINITELY SAY THAT WOULD BE THE BEST WAY TO GO IF A DEVELOPER WOULD AGREE TO THAT.

ANYWAY, THAT IS MY TAKE ON IT AND THAT IS WHY I SECOND THE MOTION AND I DEFINITELY WOULD NOT AGREE WITH A CONTINUANCE, THERE'S NO REASON. IT DOESN'T MATTER, IT'S STILL GOING TO BE

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THE SAME UNTIL WE SPEND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO WIDEN IT, TO GET SIDEWALKS AND THAT IS JUST NOT IN THE BUDGET RIGHT NOW, THERE'S NO WAY WE COULD EVEN FATHOM THAT RIGHT NOW.

>> ANY OTHER COMMENTS? >> I FEEL STRONGLY BOTH WAYS.

WE SET A POLICY AND PROCEDURE TO ESTABLISH ZONING CHANGES AND I WANT TO COMPLEMENT STAFF, THEY DID THEIR JOB, THEY RECOMMENDED APPROVAL. HOWEVER, WE HAVE THE PUD BOARD THAT JUST WENT THE OTHER DIRECTION. AND WE HAVE A COUPLE ON THAT BOARD, THEY ARE VERY SYMPATHETIC TO THIS PROCESS AND NEEDS AND WANTS OF NOT ONLY THE HOMEOWNER BUT THE DEVELOPER AS WELL. BUT THEY WENT AGAINST THIS. I'M GOING TO AGREE THAT THIS IS A COMPATIBLE REZONING REQUEST BUT I DON'T THINK IT IS REASONABLE. WE HAVE STORMWATER ISSUES, SIDEWALK ISSUES, SAFETY ISSUES UP AT 220 AND HARD ROAD, WE ALREADY HAVE THOSE, THAT THEY ARE TRYING TO RESOLVE . AND JUST TO ADD TO IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE, IT DOESN'T PASS FOR ME . LIKE I SAID, I FEEL FOR RIVERBEND BECAUSE THEY ARE ALREADY A CUT THROUGH AND IT'S JUST GOING TO BE EVEN MORE PRONOUNCED IF THIS WERE TO COME IN. AND BACK TO THE PREVIOUS COMMISSION MEETING, THIS ZONE IS FOR RESIDENTIAL, IT IS JUST, WE CANNOT STOP THAT REALLY.

BUT, IT IS A DENSITY THING, IT IS THE OVERWHELMING, OVERTAXING OF THIS ARTERIAL ROAD . I GUESS NOT, OR IS IT? IT BASICALLY ACTS LIKE ONE, LOCAL , IT PROBABLY ACTS LIKE ARTERIAL. SO ANYWAY, I CAN'T SUPPORT DEVELOPMENT IN THIS AREA.

>> MADAM CHAIR, I WOULD LIKE TO -- WE WOULD LIKE TO WITHDRAW

THE APPLICANT . >> WE ARE NOT AT THIS POINT, YOU ASKED FOR YOUR CONTINUANCE PRIOR TO A MOTION, I HAVE A MOTION BEING MADE AT THIS SECOND AND I'M LISTENING TO COMMISSIONER DISCUSSION SO YOU ARE OUT OF ORDER AND YOU HAVE BEEN OUT OF ORDER SEVERAL TIMES TONIGHT SO I WOULD ASK YOU TO PLEASE TAKE YOUR SEAT AND WE WILL SEE WHERE WE GO FROM

THERE. >> WE CANNOT WITHDRAW.

>> AT THIS POINT I HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND AND I'M LISTENING TO COMMISSIONER DISCUSSION ON MY MOTION AND MY SECOND AND I WILL SEEK LEGAL COUNSEL AT THE END OF DISCUSSION THAT I HAVE NOT HEARD FROM ONE COMMISSIONER , I HAVE NOT GIVEN MY COMMENTS SO WE ARE IN THE MIDDLE OF A PROCEDURE THAT WE TRY TO FOLLOW AND I HAVE BEEN VERY GENEROUS WITH YOU AND YOUR TIME TONIGHT. SO I WOULD PLEASE ASK THAT YOU HAVE A SEAT, I DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO ASK TO HAVE YOU REMOVED, OKAY, AND I APOLOGIZE FOR HITTING THAT SO HARD.

COMMISSIONER COMPERE . >> IT IS HARD TO FOLLOW THAT.

>> SORRY. >> NO, I GET IT . I ECHO COMMISSIONER RENNINGER'S POINT , I CAN SEE IT BOTH WAYS , IN LIGHT OF THE CONFLICT BETWEEN STAFF AND PNC , BUT I FEEL FOR YOU, JOHN BECAUSE I WAS SIMILARLY SITUATED , THE REST OF THE BOARD WILL PROBABLY REMEMBER , WHEN I FIRST CAME ON THEIR RUN HAD A VERY SITUATION -- SIMILAR SITUATION COME UP AND IT WAS ALL OF THE SAME ISSUES BELIEVE IT OR NOT, I WAS TOLD TRAFFIC FLOODING, SAFETY, AND BEAR RUN DEALS WITH THE HIGH SCHOOL NEARBY AND PINEWOOD CHRISTIAN ACADEMY , SO WE HAVE SIMILAR SITUATIONS HERE AND I FOUND THAT THE CONFLICT EXISTED THEN, TOO. WHERE PNC WAS SAYING ONE THING AND STAFF WAS SAYING SOMETHING DIFFERENT AND THAT CONFLICT BEING WHAT IT IS, I DIFFER TO YOU BECAUSE YOU KNOW BETTER THAN I DO WHAT IS GOING ON IN FLEMING. I CAN ONLY ADVISE WHAT I CAN SEE IN MY OWN DISTRICT, AND AT THE TIME, THE BOARD UNANIMOUSLY VOTED AGAINST

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THE EXPANSION, ONLY BECAUSE ALL OF THOSE FACTORS, BUT ALSO OUR ISSUE WAS THAT IT WAS MULTIFAMILY, SO DENSITY WAS A HUGE FACTOR IN THAT CONVERSATION ALSO , AND IT'S HARD BECAUSE YOU DO WANT TO BALANCE INTERESTS. AND TONIGHT, BOTH INTERESTS WERE HEARD LOUD AND CLEAR , DISTRICT 1, YOU GUYS WERE VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT YOUR POSITION AND I CAN RESPECT THAT AND THE DEVELOPER ALSO , VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT HIS PROJECT . SO I DEFER TO YOU, JOHN, IF YOU ARE SAYING NO, COMMISSIONER SGROMOLO, I SAY NO, TOO.

>> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. MY COMMENTS ARE SIMILAR IN NATURE, I DISAGREE ON THE COMPATIBILITY, I AGREE WITH YOU, IT IS AR, THE PROPERTY IS ZONED AR . THE ONE LADY WHO LIVES , I DON'T EVEN REMEMBER THE NAMES OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS, ADMIRAL SOMETHING, SHE LIVES ON THREE ACRES, SO I DID DRIVE OLD HARD ROAD, I DROVE IT AT 25 . BUT I HAVE A FRIEND THAT GOT A TICKET -- I DON'T GO ANYWHERE ON TWO WHEELS, YOU DON'T WANT TO GET BEHIND ME, ASK KRISTI , WE LIVE IN THE WOODS, IN KEYSTONE HEIGHTS, I LIVE A LONG WAY AWAY, BUT YOU DON'T WANT TO GET BEHIND ME BECAUSE I DRIVE SLOW. BUT, IT IS A BEAUTIFUL ROAD BUT I DISAGREE ON THE COMPATIBILITY ISSUE, I THINK THAT THE COMMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE HAVE BEEN POIGNANT. ONE THING THAT WAS VERY INTRIGUING TO ME ABOUT YOU ALL IS YOU ARE VERY THOUGHTFUL, MAYBE THIS IS BECAUSE , AND I CAN'T REMEMBER NAMES , BUT TO YOUR POINT, WHEN YOU SENT THIS WAS BROUGHT UP IN 2019, YOU ALL HAVE HAD FIVE YEARS TO GET YOUR THOUGHTS TOGETHER AND DECIDE , TO RE-LOOK AT THINGS . AND A LOT OF YOU SAID WE ARE NOT OPPOSED TO HOMES BEING THERE, WE KNOW IT WILL BECOME HOMES SO THE PARTRIDGE FAMILY ON OUR STAFF REPORTS AS THEY OWN THIS PROPERTY NOW , THEY HAVE THE RIGHTS TO SELL THEIR LAND AND THE RIGHTS TO DEVELOP THEIR LAND, I HAVE SAID MANY TIMES AND I WILL CONTINUE TO SAY THAT THE LAND OWNERS RIGHTS , THE LAND TO BE THEIR 401(K), I STAND FIRM ON THAT . BUT I WOULD DEFEND THAT HANDS-DOWN BUT AT THE CURRENT ZONING AND I THINK THAT THERE'S SOME PEOPLE THAT HAVE TALKED ABOUT WHETHER THAT COULD BE 40 HOMES OR 60, THAT WOULD BE A NICE ADDITION, I DID TALK TO A FEW REALTORS THAT SELL IN THAT FLEMING ISLAND AREA AND NOBODY SAID IS A LACK OF INVENTORY TO SELL HOMES SO IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE THERE'S A LOT OF DEMAND FOR ADDITIONAL HOMES. I WAS SURPRISED THAT THE SCHOOL CONCURRENCY AT ALL LEVELS , BUT I ALWAYS WONDER ABOUT THAT BECAUSE DOES THAT INCLUDE BUSING TO A DIFFERENT SCHOOL THAT HAS MAYBE A LITTLE BIT MORE CAPACITY . BUT AT ANY RATE , THAT BEING SAID, I HAVE HEARD FROM -- DOES ANYBODY HAVE ADDITIONAL COMMENTS ON THIS? OKAY, COURTNEY, WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND, WE ALSO HAVE THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST TO WITHDRAW AFTER THE MOTION AND SECOND , NOT TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT , SO WHAT SHOULD WE DO?

>> I THINK IT IS YOUR CHOICE BECAUSE HE ALSO HAD A REQUEST FOR CONTINUANCE BEFORE THE MOTION AND YOU HAD THE MOTION, NOW YOU'VE HAD A SECOND, DISCUSSION AND DURING THE DISCUSSION YOU HAD THE RISK WEST -- REQUEST A WITHDRAWAL .

>> OKAY, AND YOU HAD A NUMBER OF HOURS AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION WHERE THIS WAS HEARD WITHOUT A MOTION TO WITHDRAW .

SO, WE HAVE A PLANNING COMMISSION VOTING NOT TO APPROVE THEM WE HAVE A CITIZEN ADVISORY COMMITTEE THAT DIDN'T HAVE A QUORUM , SO I UNDERSTAND, I APPRECIATE STAFFS WORK, I APPRECIATE THAT YOU DO YOUR JOB AND YOU HAVE YOUR OPINION, WE'VE HAD DIFFERENT TIMES WHERE WE'VE HAD DIFFERENCES OF OPINION WITH PLANNERS ALSO IN YOU ALL ARE VERY HARD TO FIND THESE DAYS SO WE APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT YOU DO, WE KNOW ALL THE SURROUNDING AREAS FIGHT FOR YOU. BUT WITH THAT , I THINK THAT I WILL TAKE THE BOAT ON THE MOTION AND THE SECOND AND WE WILL SEE WHERE WE GO FROM THERE. IF THE VOTE PASSES, WE WILL MOVE FORWARD, IF IT FAILS, WE WILL MOVE FORWARD WITH A DIFFERENT MOTION. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR ,

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PLEASE INDICATE BY SAYING AYE. THE MOTION CARRIES, 5-0. THANK YOU ALL FOR COMING. OKAY, WE NEED TO MOVE ON BECAUSE THESE APPLICANTS HAVE BEEN WAITING QUIETLY IN THE AREA, SO JUST ONE SECOND, I WILL WAIT , AS YOU LEAVE, IF YOU CAN QUIETLY

[19. Final Public Hearing to consider adoption of COMP 24-0024 and ZON 24-0032. (District 4, Comm Condon) (J. Bryla)]

LEAVE SO WE CAN MOVE FORWARD . ITEM NUMBER 19, FINAL PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER ADOPTION OF COMP 24-0024 AND ZONING 24-0032 , THIS IS IN MY DISTRICT, DISTRICT 4 . AND IT HAS TWO PARTS, COMP PLAN AMENDMENT AND A FUTURE LAND-USE AMENDMENT AND

REZONING. >> IF I MAY, WHEN I BROUGHT IT TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, BECAUSE IT IS ONE PARCEL BUT THREE ACTIONS , IT IS ONE PRESENTATION OUTLINING THE

THREE ACTIONS . >> OKAY, THANK YOU. IT'S FINE,

YOU CAN GO AHEAD. >> GOOD EVENING , PRESENTING SMALL-SCALE COMP PLAN AMENDMENT 24-0024 AND THE COMPANION ZONING PEACE, 24- 0032 . AND THE ADDITIONAL ZONING APPLICATION FOR THE PROPERTY WHICH IS ZONING 24- 00 31 . SO, THE THREE APPLICATIONS PERTAIN TO ONE PIECE OF PROPERTY , THERE'S THE FRONT PIECE SHOWN ON THE LEFT THAT IS THE SUBJECT OF ZONE 24-0031 , AND THIS PIECE HAS A FUTURE LAND-USE OF COMMERCIAL AND THERE IS A PIECE ON THE RIGHT THAT IS 0.05 AND IT IS SUBJECT TO COMP PLAN AMENDMENT AND THE REZONING.

THAT LITTLE SLIVER OF LAND WHICH IS 0.05 HAS THE COMP PLAN AND REZONING APPLICATIONS , AND THE BALANCE ON THE FRONT ALONG 218 IS THE OTHER ZONING APPLICATION. THESE ITEMS WERE HEARD BY THE MIDDLEBURG CITIZENS ADVISORY COUNCIL ON NOVEMBER 18TH IN WHICH THEY RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF ALL THREE ITEMS , THE ITEMS WERE ALSO HEARD AT THE DECEMBER 3RD PLANNING COMMISSION AT WHICH TIME THEY RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF ALL THREE ITEMS, 7-10. I ALSO WANTED TO NOTE THAT THE APPLICATION IS IN YOUR DISTRICT CHAIR AND IT IS IN THE CLAY HILL OVERLAY, THE OVERLAY FOR THOSE THAT ARE FAMILIAR WITH IT , IT IS VERY ROBUST ECSTATIC STANDARDS . AS NOTED, THE SITE OF THE COMP PLAN AMENDMENT IS A VERY SMALL PORTION OF THE OVERALL LOT, THE OVERALL LOT IS I BELIEVE 3.23 ACRES AND THIS IS 0.05 ACRES THAT WAS OWNED ALONG WITH THE FRONT PORTION OF THE LOT ALONG 218 , ALONG THE 218 CORRIDOR WITH THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN , THE BACK PORTION OF THE LOT REMAINED RURAL RESIDENTIAL AND AR ZONING. IN ORDER TO MAKE THE BACK PORTION OF THE LOT COMPLIANT WITH THE CURRENT DEVELOPMENT CODE, THE APPLICANT NEEDS TO ADD 0.05 ACRES TO MAKE ONE TOTAL ACRE FOR THAT BACK PORTION. SO THE EXISTING LAND USE FOR THIS PIECE OF THE PROPERTY IS COMMERCIAL AND THEY ARE REQUESTING RURAL RESIDENTIAL CONSISTENT WITH THE AREA TO THE REAR. THE REQUEST FOR THE ZONING APPLICATION IS TO MAKE THE ZONING DISTRICT CHANGE FROM COMMERCIAL CONSISTENT WITH THE LAND-USE REQUEST. SO THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST FOR THE FRONT PORTION OF THE PROPERTY IS TO CHANGE THE ZONING DISTRICT TO BB2, THERE IS HOWEVER NO OTHER BB2 IN THE DISTRICT, THE CLASSIC SPOT ZONING IS SINGLING OUT A SMALL PARTIAL LAND FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE OWNER , OF SUCH PROPERTY AND TO THE DETRIMENT OF OTHER OWNERS , THAT IS FROM AMERICAN LAW ZONING . THIS

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SHOWS THE EVIDENCE THAT THE PROPERTY WAS NOTIFIED AND NOTICES WERE SENT AND STAFF HAS RECEIVED NO COMMENTS REGARDING THE APPLICATIONS. SO, STAFF DOES FIND THAT THE COVERINGS OF PLAN AND ZONING REQUESTS ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE PRINCIPLES OF THE COMP PLAN AND IN THE INTENT OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, AND ZONING 24-0031 , STAFF DOES NOT FIND THAT THE CRITERIA FOR REZONING HAS BEEN MET AND THEREFORE RECOMMENDS DENIAL OF THIS APPLICATION AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY

QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE. >> FOR CLARIFICATION, YOU COMBINED 19 AND 20 INTO ONE PRESENTATION, AND SO YOUR APPROVAL FOR 19 AND DENIAL FOR 20 ?

>> I'M RECOMMENDING APPROVAL FOR THE COMP PLAN , AND THE COMPANION ZONING PEACE WHICH IS 32 , AND THEN DENIAL OF ZONING

31. >> OKAY, WHEN WE HEAR THEM --

>> IT IS THREE SEPARATE ACTIONS.

>> OKAY. IF I CAN GIVE A COUPLE OF HANDOUTS, THAT WOULD BE

HELPFUL. >> DON'T YOU ENJOY THE

CONTROVERSY ? >> SUSAN FRAZIER , JACKSONVILLE, AND I'M HERE REPRESENTING THE PROPERTY OWNER WITH THE LAND USE AND ZONING APPLICATION YOU ARE CONSIDERING. SO, THE MAP I HANDED OUT WAS INTENDED TO PROVIDE CLARITY ABOUT WHY WE ARE LOOKING FOR BOTH THE COMMERCIAL BB2 ZONING AND WHY WE ARE SEEKING LAND-USE CHANGE ON THEIR .05 ACRES, SO IN 1991 WHEN THE COUNTY ADOPTED ITS FIRST COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WE ESTABLISHED CORRIDORS WITHIN THE COUNTY FOR COMMERCIAL USE. SO, THE COUNTY AT THAT POINT , PRIOR TO 1991 IN THE INITIAL COMP PLAN, COMMERCIAL ZONING WAS SPOTTED AND THERE WAS COMMERCIAL ZONING THAT WAS VACANT OR DEVELOPED AND HOUSES COMMERCIAL PARCELS , SO THE POLICY OF THE BOARD AT THAT TIME, I WAS THE CHIEF PLANNER, TO COMBINE , CREATE NOTES FOR DEVELOPMENT SO THERE WOULD NOT BE INCOMPATIBILITIES OF RESIDENTIAL USE ON MAJOR ROADS LIKE 218 AND PLANNING AND THEY WOULD BE CLUSTERS OF DEVELOPMENTS OF SERVICES ARE PROVIDED TO THE POPULATION THAT WAS PROJECTED ON THE COMP PLAN AT THAT TIME. WHEN WE DESIGNATED THOSE, WE GAVE THEM A DEPTH OF 300 FEET, AT THAT POINT, THE COUNTY WAS MADE MOSTLY A ZONING CATEGORY CALLED BUSINESS SHOPPING CENTER. THAT WAS ALL THE STRIP CENTERS , IF YOU THINK BACK TO THE LATE 80S, THAT IS WHAT CLAY COUNTY HAD.

AND THEY HAD BB ZONING AND BB ZONING WAS THE NUCLEAR POWER PLANT ZONING BECAUSE IF YOU WANTED A COFFEE SHOP, FREESTANDING BUILDING , IT GOT BB AND IF YOU WANTED NUCLEAR POWER PLANT, IT GOT BB, SO THE COUNTY FOUND THAT THE PEOPLE WANTING SMALLER USES THAT THE COMMUNITY WANTED COULD NOT GET THE ZONING APPROVED BECAUSE THE RANGE OF USES WAS SO GREAT, IT ALLOWED YOU TO HAVE EVERYTHING . SO WE WERE SEEING THOSE DENIALS . THE ZONING WAS REQUIRED BY STATUTE THAT IF YOU GAVE PROPERTY COMMERCIAL LAND-USE WHICH WE DID IN 1991 BY CREATING THE ZONES , THAT YOU HAVE TO GIVE THEM COMMERCIAL ZONING, YOU MUST MAKE YOUR ZONING CONSISTENT WITH THE LAND-USE, SO WE REACHED TO THE LAND-USE, WE REACHED IN AND ADMINISTRATIVELY PROVIDED ZONING AND THE ZONING CATEGORY THAT WAS UNIVERSALLY APPLIED IN THAT INSTANCE WAS BA2 AND THAT WAS THE LOWEST IN CLAY COUNTY AND IT IS THE LOWEST TODAY, NO MORE THAN 2500 SQUARE FOOT BUILDINGS AND ONLY ALLOWS COMMERCIAL PROFESSIONAL OFFICES AND THAT IS ALL IT ALLOWS. WHENEVER IN CLAY COUNTY UC BA2, THAT WAS GIVEN TO CLAY COUNTY BACK IN 1992. WHEN WE CREATED THE 300 FOOT CORRIDOR, WE WERE REZONING AND DOING LAND-USE FOR THE WHOLE COUNTY

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SO WE WERE JUST RELYING PARALLEL FOR THE RIGHT-OF-WAY, AND IN THIS PARTICULAR INSTANCE, THE GRAY IS THE COMMERCIAL 300 FOOT CORRIDOR THAT WE CREATED , THE AREAS OF PROPERTY WE ARE TALKING ABOUT AND THE PIECE TO THE REAR IS THE AR ZONING OUTSIDE THE 300 FOOT CORRIDOR , WE DID NOT LOOK AT EVERY PARTIAL, AND WE SAID WHEN LANDOWNERS DEVELOP AND DECIDE WHAT THEY WANT TO DO WITH THEIR COMMERCIAL PROPERTY, THEY ARE GOING TO COME BACK AND ASK FOR COMMERCIAL REZONING. SO WE ARE GOING FROM BA2 TO SOMETHING ELSE. BUT, I WAS RETAINED TO DO THE COMMERCIAL REZONING ON THE FRONT AND DOING THAT ANALYSIS, WE HAVE TO SURVEY THE PROPERTY, WHEN YOU CUT 300 FEET OFF THE FRONT, THE RESIDENTIAL IN THE BACK WAS 0.95 ACRES, THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE FOR CONFORMING LOT IS ONE ACRE. SO, WE ARE HERE WITH THE FIRST TWO ITEMS THAT YOU ARE GOING TO CONSIDER TO MAKE THAT BACK OCEAN A CONFORMING LOT, THERE IS A DOUBLE WIDE MOBILE HOME, THERE IS A DECK, A HOUSE , PEOPLE THAT OCCUPY THE DWELLING , WHERE WE CUT THE FRONT OFF AND MAKE IT INTO A COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT , THAT BALANCE WOULD BE NONCONFORMING. SO WE COULD NOT REPLACE IT, IT WOULD BE TOO SMALL. THE FIRST TWO ITEMS WE ARE ASKING YOU TO CONSIDER IS CHANGING THE LAND-USE FROM COMMERCIAL BACK TO RESIDENTIAL FOR 0.05 ACRES, MAKING THE BALANCE ONE ACRE AND LEAVING THE PROPERTY OWNER WITH A CONFORMING LOT IN THE BACK.

AND I'M HAPPY IF YOU LET ME CAN -- TO CONTINUE, I WILL CONTINUE WITH THE FRONT. THE BA2 IS SOLELY AN ACTION OF THE COUNTY AND IS YOU CAN SEE ON THIS MAP, EDITING IS AROUND -- EVERYTHING IS AROUND IT. YOU CAN NO LONGER GET BB ZONING TODAY. AS I SAID, THE COUNTY IN THE 90S, AND I WAS HERE AS THE PLANNING DIRECTOR FOR THE LAST HALF OF THE 90S, PEOPLE WOULD SAY I WANT A COFFEE SHOP, BACK THEN IT WASN'T DUNKIN' DONUTS BUT IT WAS A FREESTANDING BUILDING, THEY COULD NOT GET THROUGH ZONING SO THIS COUNTY CHANGED THE ZONING CODE , YOU HAD TO BB TO KEEP IT , AND THEY CREATED BB 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. SO I CANNOT APPLY FOR BB AND YOU CANNOT GIVE ME BABY. SO I'M SEEKING BB TWO AND THE HANDOUT THAT I GAVE YOU THAT IS A SPREADSHEET SHOWS YOU BA2 IS A COLUMN IN THE MIDDLE , THAT IS THE ZONING THAT I HAVE TODAY. YOU HAVE TO GO TO PAGE TWO, AROUND THE TOP IN THAT BA2 COLUMN TO FIND THE ONLY USE PERMITTED , THAT IS COMMERCIAL, PROFESSIONAL OFFICE. LIMITED TO 2500 SQUARE FOOT. THE FIRST COLUMN IS BB , WHAT EVERYBODY AROUND MY PROPERTY HAS , TODAY AS A ZONING DESIGNATION AND EVERYTHING , EVERYBODY AROUND THIS PROPERTY CAN HAVE . WHERE THE LITTLE BB IS BOLD, THOSE ARE USES THAT UNDER BB 2 , I CANNOT HAVE . IN OTHER WORDS, IT IS ALLOWED IN BB , SO I CAN'T HAVE THOSE. SO I'M SEEKING BB2 WHICH ALLOWS MANY OF THE SAME USES, DON'T GET ME WRONG, IT IS A VERY NICE ZONING DISTRICT BUT IT CAN'T HAVE BUILDING SUPPLY MATERIALS, ELECTRONIC GAME PROMOTION CENTERS OR A GO KART TRACK . IT CAN'T HAVE AN INDOOR FIRING RANGE. WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT ALL THE ZONING DISTRICTS ARE MORE INTENSE THAN WHAT I'M SEEKING TODAY AND THE REASON I'M SEEKING THAT IT BE IN BA2 IS NOT BECAUSE IT WAS APPROPRIATE ZONING BECAUSE IT WAS ADMINISTRATIVE ZONING. THIS COMMUNITY IN MIDDLEBURG IS LOOKING FOR INVESTMENT AND COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT , WE HAD A SPEAKER WHO WAS AT THAT MEETING SPEAK AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND SHE HAD DONE A FACEBOOK PAGE INVENTORY OF WHAT PEOPLE WOULD LIKE TO SEE AND THEY SAID SMALL GROCERY, SMALL COFFEE SHOP, HARDWARE STORE, THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME SERVICES AND SOME OPPORTUNITIES THAT ARE NOT ALLOWED UNDER BA2.

WE ARE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, WE BELIEVE WE ARE

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CONSISTENT WITH BB IN THE ONLY WAY POSSIBLE BECAUSE IT IS NOT A CATEGORY THAT IS ALLOWED, THE PLANNING COMMISSION AGREED WITH

US AND VOTED FOR APPROVAL. >> OKAY, THANK YOU, DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF OR FOR THE APPLICANT? I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING, I DO NOT HAVE ANY CARDS ON THIS ITEM, IS THERE ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON IT? I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND BRING BACK ITEM NUMBER 19 , WE WILL FIRST HEAR THE APPLICATION FOR A FUTURE LAND-USE AMENDMENT TO CHANGE THE COMMERCIAL TO RURAL RESIDENTIAL FOR THE BACK PORTION AND THIS IS MY DISTRICT AND I WOULD MOVE FOR APPROVAL.

>> I WILL SECOND THE MOTION. >> OKAY, DO WE HAVE ANY DISCUSSION? OKAY, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR INDICATE BY SAYING AYE.

THE MOTION CARRIES. NOW WE MOVE TO ITEM B, AND I WILL MOVE

APPROVAL FOR THAT. >> I WILL SECOND.

>> ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR INDICATE BY

[20. Final Public Hearing to consider adoption of ZON 24-0031. (District 4, Comm. Condon) ( J. Bryla)]

SAYING AYE. THE MOTION CARRIES . NOW WE WILL TAKE UP ITEM NUMBER 20 WHICH IS THE FRONT PART OF THE PARCEL, THIS IS -- OKAY, COURTNEY, DO I NEED TO OPEN A SECOND PUBLIC HEARING ? OKAY, I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING ON ITEM NUMBER 20, ANYBODY THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THAT? SEEING NONE. I WILL TRY TO BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMISSION . I HEAR WHAT STAFF IS SAYING AND I DO KNOW WE WANT TO BE CAREFUL OF THE SPOT ZONING BUT INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH, YESTERDAY I HAD SEVERAL PEOPLE ACTUALLY TALK TO ME ABOUT A HARDWARE STORE IN MIDDLEBURG SO I THINK IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE , BECAUSE THEY WERE GRANTED THE BA2 BACK WHEN THE COMP PLAN WAS DONE, AND WITH THE OVERLAY, I THINK WE ARE VERY WELL PROTECTED, THAT CITIZEN ADVISORY GROUP IS TOUGH, SO IF YOU GOT THROUGH THEM, I THINK THE COMMUNITY IS NOT OPPOSED TO THIS, SO I WILL

MOVE APPROVAL. >> I WILL SECOND.

>> OKAY, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?

>> SO WE DON'T KNOW YET ? >> WELL, THEY HAVEN'T SAID THERE IS AN INDICATION BUT THAT IS ONE OF THE USES THAT COULD BE THERE. I THINK IT IS HARD FOR HARDWARE STORES TO MAKE IT TODAY, THE ONE DOWN IN KEYSTONE, THEY HAVE THE CHAIN , BUT I JUST HAPPENED TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION YESTERDAY WITH RESIDENCE IN MIDDLEBURG THAT THEY HAVE TO COME ALL THE WAY DOWN 218 THROUGH THE TRAFFIC AND TO HOME DEPOT OR LOWE'S , IN THE CONGESTION, SO THEY WERE LOOKING FOR THE OPPORTUNITY. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR INDICATE BY SAYING AYE. THE MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU, MERRY CHRISTMAS. AND THANK YOU FOR TAKING ALL OF OUR QUESTIONS . OKAY, WE WILL MOVE FORWARD TO ITEM NUMBER 21,

[21. First Public Hearing to Consider adoption of ZON 24-0035, Proposal Addressing Replacement Policy (B. Carson)]

FIRST PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER ADOPTION OF ZONE 24-0035, PROPOSAL ADDRESSING REPLACEMENT POLICY .

>> THANK YOU, AGAIN AS YOU SAID, THIS IS THE FIRST HEARING SO YOU DO NOT NEED TO TAKE ACTION, THIS IS STAFF INITIATED AMENDMENT TO SECTION 3-11 WHICH IS THE NONCONFORMING USE OF THE LAND OF ELEMENT CODE. A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND ON THIS, IN APRIL OF 2010, A PREVIOUS BOARD DEVELOPED A POLICY ON THE FLOOR WHICH WE REFER TO AS THE REPLACEMENT POLICY AND WHAT IT ALLOWS IS IF THERE IS A SINGLE-FAMILY HOME , ACCESSORY STRUCTURE OR MOBILE HOME THAT HAS BEEN PERMITTED , AND IT IS A NONCONFORMING LOT , THIS POLICY ALLOWS THAT THE HOME, OR MOBILE HOME COULD BE REPLACED SHOULD IT NEED TO BE. BUT, THE RESTRICTION IS THAT IT CANNOT BE ANY LARGER FOOTPRINT THAN WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY THERE, IN THE PAST TWO MONTHS, YOU BOTH

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HAVE HAD CITIZENS REACH OUT TO YOU BECAUSE THEY CAN NO LONGER FIND THAT SAME SIZE STRUCTURE AND THEY WISH TO INCREASE THE SIZE OF THE STRUCTURE THEY ARE PUTTING ON. SO STAFF HAS PROVIDED REVISED LANGUAGE TO YOU , AND BECAUSE WE DON'T SEE THERE IS NECESSARILY ANY HARM IN THEM GOING WITH A LARGER SIZED STRUCTURE, AS LONG AS THEY ARE MEETING THE OTHER REQUIREMENTS FOR SETBACKS , MAXIMUM LOT COVERAGE, THINGS LIKE THAT. SO THE REVISED POLICY , AND WE PUT A CAP DATE ON IT, BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE MORE LOTS THAT ARE CREATED THAT ARE NONCONFORMING, SO WE PUT AN ADOPTED DATE, IN WHICH A SINGLE-FAMILY HOME, MOBILE HOME OR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE IS REPLACED ON THE SITE , UPON THE ISSUANCE OF A VALID BUILDING PERMIT BY CLAY COUNTY, SHALL BE ALLOWED TO REPLACE THAT SINGLE-FAMILY HOME OR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE CONSISTENT WITH THE MINIMUM SETBACKS, PERCENTAGE LOT COVERAGE AND MINIMUM LIVING AREA . AND THIS WOULD REMOVE THE RESTRICTION ON LOT SIZE , YOU WOULD HAVE TO MEET THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE ZONING DISTRICT AND I WOULD APPLY TO PARCELS ONLY CREATED PRIOR TO THAT . WITH THAT, STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE BCC RESUME THE POLICY THAT WAS ADOPTED ON APRIL 13TH, 2010 AND ADOPT THIS NEW POLICY. AGAIN, THIS WAS THE FIRST HEARING SO I WILL BE BACK IN JANUARY. ANY QUESTIONS?

>> DO WE KNOW WHY THEY DID THAT ? WHAT WAS THE REASONING?

>> MY GUESS IS THAT THE LOT WAS NONCONFORMING , IT HAPPENS, LOTS GET SPLIT DOWN IN THE APPRAISER'S OFFICE, THEY DON'T NECESSARILY CHECK WITH THE ZONING OFFICE AND IF IT WAS PERMITTED TO HAVE A STRUCTURE IN OUR OFFICE, UNFORTUNATELY DIDN'T NOTICE THAT IT WAS NONCONFORMING OR ISSUES THAT PERMIT , IF THERE HAD BEEN A FIRE, THOSE PEOPLE WOULD HAVE BEEN HOMELESS UNLESS WE ALLOWED THEM TO REPLACE THEIR

STRUCTURE. >> WHY DID THEY SAY IT CAN BE

BIGGER? >> YOU DON'T GENERALLY WANT TO EXPAND WITH NONCONFORMITY, IN THIS CASE WHEN WE WERE DISCUSSING THE POTENTIAL NEW POLICY, EXPANDING THE FOOTPRINT OF THE BUILDING IS NOT REALLY NONCONFORMITY, IT IS USUALLY THAT IT IS TOO SMALL OR NOT AS DEEP AS IT SHOULD BE, MAYBE NOT AS WIDE AS IT SHOULD BE , IT'S NOT THE STRUCTURE THAT IS THE NONCONFORMITY, IT IS THE LOT CONFIGURE ISSUE , THAT IS WHY WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH THAT LANGUAGE.

>> THANK YOU. >> I THINK IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, SHE WAS ON THE COMMISSION WHEN THEY PASSED THIS POLICY AND SHE SAID THAT MOST OF THESE ARE VERY SMALL.

THE TWO THAT CAME UP IN THE PAST TWO MONTHS WERE ACTUALLY LARGER SIZES BUT TYPICALLY IS A REALLY SMALL LOTS, TOO. AND MAYBE THAT IS WHERE PEOPLE WERE SPLITTING THEIR PROPERTY PREVIOUSLY AND IN THAT CASE, NORMALLY IT COULD BE , THEY COULD HAVE THE LARGER STRUCTURE AS LONG AS IT DIDN'T APPROACH INTO THE SETBACKS AND THAT WOULD NEGATIVELY AFFECT THE

PROPERTIES ADJACENT . >> AND THE PARCELS CREATED PRIOR TO JANUARY 14TH, THAT WOULD BE, THAT WOULD APPLY TO VACANT PARCELS TODAY, THEY CAN'T SAY, OR THEY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO SPLIT IT OR EXPLAIN --

>> THIS POLICY ONLY APPLIES TO NONCONFORMING LOSS WHERE A BUILDING PERMIT HAS BEEN ISSUED, SO IF THEY HAVE A NONCONFORMING LOT, IT IS NOT BUILDABLE. IF THEY HAVE BEEN ISSUED A PERMIT AND THEY HAVE A STRUCTURE AND THEY'VE BEEN LIVING IN IT, OBVIOUSLY WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THEY ARE NOT HOMELESS SO THAT IS WHERE THIS EXCEPTION COMES IN, IT IS NOT TO ENCOURAGE BUILDING ON NONCONFORMING LOTS.

>> OKAY, GOOD. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. SEEING NONE, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MERRY CHRISTMAS. WE WILL MOVE TO ITEM NUMBER 22, WITHDRAWN , I HAD ONE CARD BUT I SAW THAT INDIVIDUAL LEAVE AND WE WEREN'T GOING TO HEAR IT

[23. Final Public Hearing to consider Transmittal of COMP 24-0025. (District 5, Comm. Burke) (D. Selig)]

ANYWAY. ITEM NUMBER 23, VINYL PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER TRANSMITTAL OF COMP PLAN AMENDMENT 24-0025 .

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COMMISSIONER BURKE , GOOD EVENING.

>> THIS ITEM IS A LARGE-SCALE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, A TEXT AMENDMENT . USUALLY YOU SEE MAP AMENDMENTS . IT WOULD CHANGE PORTIONS OF THE TEXT FOR TWO OF THE POLICIES THAT ARE IN THE LAKE ASBURY INTERCHANGE LAND-USE CATEGORY. THIS MAP SHOWS YOU WHERE THE EXISTING VILLAGE CENTERS ARE, SO THIS PINK COLOR , THESE ARE VILLAGE CENTERS , THERE ARE TWO INTERCHANGE VILLAGE CENTERS, ONE AT HENLEY , AND THE OTHER IS DOWN HERE AT 16 AND THE EXPRESSWAY. SO, THE FIRST POLICY , IT IS POLICY 1.4.1 . IT WOULD MAKE CHANGES TO THE TABLE IN THAT POLICY, THAT POLICY BASICALLY IS THE TABLE, IT IS A LISTING OF THE FUTURE CATEGORIES , IT IS NOT A SUBSTANTIVE CHANGE BUT THERE ARE SOME SMALL CHANGES SO THE FIRST ONE, WE ARE ADDING THE WORD ACRE THAT GOT LEFT OFF , IN THE LAST ONE OF THIS TABLE, WE ARE ADDING THE WORD NET WHICH AGAIN WAS LEFT OFF. THE FOOTNOTE WE ADDED THAT THE POLICY NUMBER WAS WRONG, THOSE ARE JUST CORRECTION ITEMS. L.A.

INTERCHANGE VILLAGE CENTER, THE ADDITION OF THAT TO THIS TABLE, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE POLICY AS A WHOLE , IT IS LISTED AS VILLAGE CENTER AND INTERCHANGE VILLAGE CENTER. AND THE TABLE LISTS THE VILLAGE CENTERS BUT THEY DIDN'T ADD THE INTERCHANGE, IT IS MORE OF AN OVERSIGHT THAN ANYTHING . THIS DENSITY THAT IS APPLIED HERE AND THE USES ARE EXACTLY THE SAME AS THE VILLAGE CENTER, MULTIFAMILY THAT IS IN THE TABLE NOW. THE OTHER POLICY IS 1.4.10 AND IN THIS CASE, THERE SEVERAL PRINCIPAL CHANGES AND QUITE A FEW ACCESSORY CHANGES .

WE HAVE COPIED THE DENSITY LANGUAGE FROM VILLAGE CENTER AND ADDED IT UNDER INTERCHANGE VILLAGE CENTER TO BE CLEAR, WE COPIED THE CONNECTIVITY AND PARK LANGUAGE . AGAIN, FROM VILLAGE CENTER TO PROVIDE MORE CLARITY . WE HAVE ADDED LANGUAGE TO BOTH OF THE INTERCHANGE VILLAGE CENTERS TO ALLOW AUTO ORIENTED USES THAT ARE ADJACENT TO THE INTERCHANGES . PROVIDED OF COURSE THAT THEY PROVIDE INDUSTRY AND CONNECTIVITY THAT IS THE HALLMARK OF THE MASTER PLAN. AND THEN WE INCREASED THE MAXIMUM COMMERCIAL RETAIL USE FROM 40% TO 65% FOR BOTH , FOR THESE INTERCHANGE VILLAGE CENTERS. SO THE SECONDARY CHANGES , WE ADDED TEXT JUST TO CLARIFY WHAT PARAGRAPH IS SPEAKING TO WHICH, AND WE PUT IN A DATE FOR THE ORDINANCE THAT AFFECTS THE VILLAGE CENTER OF LESS THAN 10 ACRES, IT IS ALL CLARITY ITEMS AND A CITIZEN ADVISORY COMMITTEE FOR THIS ITEM AND THEY VOTED 6-0 TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL, THEY RECOMMENDED A CHANGE TO ONE OF THE TWO, IT WOULD HAVE ELIMINATED THE RESIDENTIAL MINIMUM, INCREASE THE MINIMUM PARK USED TO 15% AND INCREASE THE MAXIMUM COMMERCIAL RETAIL TO 70%. STAFF FELT THAT THE POINT OF THE VILLAGE CENTER IS TO HAVE A PLACE WHERE WE PROVIDE THE MOST OPPORTUNITY FOR WALKING TO WORK. SO, INCORPORATING BOTH THE WALKABLE ENVIRONMENT AND HAVING RESIDENTIAL USE AND COMMERCIAL USE ON THE SAME PROPERTY WAS IMPORTANT . ON DECEMBER 3RD, THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR THE ITEM, THEY VOTED AS WELL, 7-0, THE RECOMMENDED APPROVAL ON THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION. AND STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THE TRANSMITTAL AND I DIDN'T PUT IT INTO THIS LANGUAGE AND I

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APOLOGIZE, I SHOULD HAVE CLARIFIED THAT, THIS IS A LARGE-SCALE OR EXPEDITED ITEM , SO TO THE BENEFIT OF OUR NEW COMMISSIONER, WHEN WE HAVE A TEXT CHANGE TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THOSE REQUIRED ONE HEARING BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND TWO HEARINGS BEFORE THE BOARD AND THEY ARE SEPARATED, THIS ONE IS THE TRANSMITTAL HEARING AND WHAT HAPPENS, IF THEY VOTE TO APPROVE THE TRANSMITTAL, THE APPLICATION GOES TO THE STATE, THE STATE AGENCIES LOOK AT IT AND THEY HAVE 30 DAYS TO BRING BACK COMMENTS AND AFTER THAT, STAFF BRINGS THE ITEM BACK AGAIN, EITHER WITH OR WITHOUT CHANGES DEPENDING ON WHAT THE STATE BRINGS FORWARD FOR YOU TO MAKE A FINAL DECISION SO YOUR DECISION TONIGHT IS NOT TO APPROVE OR DISAPPROVE THE LANGUAGE NECESSARILY BUT TO APPROVE THE TRANSMITTAL TO THE STATE.

>> SO, WHY CAN WE INCREASE COMMERCIAL BUT NOT DECREASE SOME RESIDENTIAL ? HOW CAN YOU DO BOTH ? WHY ? I MEAN, NOT 0%,

BUT -- >> I WILL LET THE APPLICANT GO OVER THAT IN MORE DETAIL FOR YOU, AS LONG AS THE PERCENTAGES

ARE WORKING. >> THAT WAS JUST A SUGGESTION OF THE CITIZEN ADVISORY COMMITTEE AND WE ARE NEUTRAL ON THAT, BUT IF I COULD , THEY HAVE DONE A GREAT JOB OF DESCRIBING THE PROPOSAL BEFORE YOU, WHEN INTERCHANGE VILLAGE CENTERS WERE CREATED, WHEN THE BELTWAY WAS COMING THROUGH LAKE ASBURY ORIGINALLY , THE INTERCHANGE AT HENLEY AND AT 69TH PROBABLY DID EXIST BUT, THE ONE AT HENLEY DID NOT EXIST DURING THE FUNDING PROGRAM, THEY FOUND A LOT OF PEOPLE WANTED TO GET ON HENLEY ROAD AND PAY A TOLL TO GO SOMEWHERE ELSE SO THEY ADDED THE INTERCHANGE AND THAT IS WHY YOU SEE IT AT HENLEY. AT THE INTERCHANGE VILLAGE CENTER AT STATE ROAD 16 IS 150 ACRES AND THE INTERCHANGE AT HENLEY IS 18.75 ACRES , SO IT IS VERY SMALL, THE PERCENTAGES THAT APPLY TODAY FOR COMMERCIAL ALLOWS ONLY 40% WHICH IS 7.5 ACRES OF COMMERCIAL AND WE FEEL LIKE THERE IS A TREMENDOUS NEED FOR SERVICES AND NONRESIDENTIAL USE IN THAT AREA, THAT IS THE BASIS OF THE REQUEST FOR THE INCREASE IN THE PERCENTAGE. WE ARE OPEN TO A CONSIDERATION OF REDUCTION , THE 10% REQUIRED RESIDENTIAL ON HENLEY, 1.8 ACRES, SO WHEN YOU NEED IT, BECAUSE YOU WANT TO DRAW THE OTHER THINGS, THE COMMERCIAL AND OFFICE, 1.8 ACRES OF RESIDENTIAL IS LIKE 12 TOWNHOUSES SO THEY ASKED US, WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO THERE? WE HAVE A SITE PLAN ALREADY BUT THEY FELT THE SIZE WAS SO INSIGNIFICANT THAT IT DID NOT CONTRIBUTE TO DIVERSITY IN HOUSING. IF YOU DECIDE THERE IS INTEREST TO REMOVE IT, WE ARE PERFECTLY FINE WITH THAT. AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY

QUESTIONS. >> SO, IF YOU WANT TO INCREASE TO COMMERCIAL, THEN WHY NOT DECREASE DOWN TO 35% RESIDENTIAL ? I'M NOT ASKING FOR ZERO BUT WHY CAN'T WE DECREASE IT SOME IF WE ARE ASKING FOR COMMERCIAL?

>> WELL, THE TABLE YOU HAVE TO PROVIDE, YOU ARE GOING TO COME UP WITH 100%, YOU HAVE TO MEET THE MINIMUMS, THIS CHANGE ALLOWS THEM TO GO HIGHER ON THE COMMERCIAL WHICH IS WHAT IS

NEEDED . >> BUT YOU DON'T HAVE TO DECREASE RESIDENTIAL BECAUSE IT IS NOT EITHER OR, LET'S SAY YOU PROVIDE THE MAXIMUM OF 65 WITH COMMERCIAL, YOU HAVE TO MEET THE MINIMUMS FOR THE OTHERS.

>> WHAT IS THE REASONING FOR INCREASING COMMERCIAL, JUST IN

CASE? >> NO, THEY ARE LOOKING AT THEIR SITE WHICH IS SMALL FOR A COMMERCIAL SITE AND LOOKING TO HAVE A GREATER PERCENTAGE OF IT BE COMMERCIAL BECAUSE THAT IS REALLY WHERE THE VALUE OF THAT PROPERTY IS, WHEN IT'S GOT

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THIS GREAT LOCATION. >> SO IT MAY HAVE IN OR IT MAY NOT HAPPEN , IT MAY BE MORE COMMERCIAL OR IT MAY NOT BE,

DEPENDS ON WHO BUYS IT. >> WE DISTINCTLY HAVE DEMAND FOR COMMERCIAL , WHEN THIS DISTRICT WAS CREATED, THERE WAS A BALANCE OF OFFICE AND COMMERCIAL AND WE KNOW WHAT COVID DID WITH OFFICE DEMAND , SO WE HAVE SEEN WITH THE POPULATION LIKE ASBURY THAT THE DEMAND IS CLEARLY THERE FOR COMMERCIAL SERVICES . SO THAT IS WHY WE LIKE TO SEE THAT.

>> YOU CAN ALWAYS MAKE THE MOTION TO DECREASE IT .

>> IF YOU GET TO 65% COMMERCIAL, THEN WE ARE GOING

TO HAVE 35% RESIDENTIAL. >> AND THE MINIMUM IS 10%, SO IF YOU REDUCE IT, STAFF IS SAYING YOU WOULD REDUCE THE 10% TO SOMETHING SMALLER , SO I THINK THEY ARE TRYING TO SAY THAT SOME RESIDENTIAL IS A GOOD THING. RIGHT NOW THE MINIMUM IS

10 POINT >> YES, BUT I'M JUST SAYING THE MAX, I JUST WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE MAX PERCENTAGE.

>> WE HADN'T TALKED ABOUT THE MAX PERCENTAGE CHANGE, THE CAC REALLY TALKED ABOUT HAVING RATHER TWO ACRES, YOU MIGHT AS WELL HAVE NONE, THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT WHY HAVE SUCH A SMALL AMOUNT BECAUSE IN THE INTERCHANGE VILLAGE CENTER, IT CANNOT BE SINGLE-FAMILY DETACHED , SO WE ARE TALKING TOWNHOUSES, SO I HAVE 12 TOWNHOUSES AND THAT DIVERSITY IS NOT BAD IN THE AREA BUT IT IS A DROP IN THE BUCKET. SO THEY WERE SAYING THE SIZE IS HARD TO ACCOMMODATE.

>> DO YOU FEEL CONFIDENT THAT WE WOULD HAVE MORE TOWARDS 65%

COMMERCIAL? OKAY. I'M GOOD. >> I'M TOTALLY IN FAVOR OF EXPANDING THE RESIDENT AT LAKE ASBURY AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS EXTREMELY NEEDED AND I APPRECIATE THE EXPEDITION OF THE COMP PLAN TO GET THIS WHERE IT NEEDS TO GO, THAT IS GOING TO BE THE NEXT THING, GETTING THE BUSINESS CAUGHT UP .

>> CLAY COUNTY IS A GOOD PLACE TO DO BUSINESS.

>> WE HEARD IT IS OPENING IN OCTOBER. ALL DREAMS. BUT YES, THERE IS DEMAND AND AS YOU HEARD FROM YOUR PREVIOUS APPLICANT THAT IT'LL TAKE US A YEAR TO GET ALL THE PERMITS AND GET THINGS GOING SO THE TIMING IS RIGHT.

>> OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF OR THE APPLICANT ? I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING . ANYONE HERE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? IT IS THE FINAL PUBLIC HEARING. I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND

BRING IT BACK TO THE BOARD. >> I MOVE FOR APPROVAL.

>> SECOND. >> ANY DISCUSSION ALL THOSE IN FAVOR INDICATE BY SAYING AYE. THE MOTION CARRIES . THANK YOU,

[24. Public Hearing for the purpose of considering entry into a Purchase and Sale Agreement for the purchase by the County of real property more particularly described as Tax Parcel No. 38-06-26-017678-000-00, and authorization for County Manager to execute all documents necessary to close the acquisition (C. Risinger)]

MERRY CHRISTMAS TO YOU. OKAY, THE PUBLIC HEARING , FOR THE PURPOSE OF CONSIDERING ENTRY INTO A PURCHASE AGREEMENT FOR THE PURCHASE BY THE COUNTY OF REAL PROPERTY DESCRIBED BY THE PARCEL NUMBER IN THE AGENDA AND AUTHORIZED FOR THE AUTHORIZATION FOR THE COUNTY MANAGER TO EXECUTE ALL

DOCUMENTS. >> GOOD EVENING, ACQUISITIONS MANAGER, THIS ITEM IS A FOLLOW-UP TO THE BOARDS EARLIER APPROVAL FROM MAY 28TH TO NEGOTIATE FOR THE PURCHASE OF APPROXIMATELY A 10TH OF AN ACRE IS ADJACENT TO OUR PARKING LOT . I HAD A MAP , YOU WILL SEE IT IS LOCATED JUST WEST OF THE ADMINISTRATIVE BUILDING AND DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO OUR LARGE

PARKING. >>

>> PLEASE LET ME KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

>> THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS FOR CALEB THING ON, I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING IS ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THE PURCHASE OF THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY? ALL RIGHT SEEING NONE, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND BRING IT BACK TO

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THE BOARD. >> I WILL MOVE APPROVAL OF THE

PURCHASE OF THE PROPERTY. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND ANY QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION ?

>> I DID HAVE ONE QUESTION, AT ONE POINT THIS WAS TALKED ABOUT FOR THE WELLNESS PAVILION AND WE HAD NOT FUNDED THAT IN THE BUDGET SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE -- I WANT TO BE CLEAR ON THE PUBLIC WHAT WE ARE GOING TO THE PROPERTY FOR, PARKING,

CORRECT? >> SHOULD WE HAVE SOME SORT OF FUTURE NEED, IT WOULDN'T BE IN SECRET, WE WOULD BRIEF FOR IT.

>> WE HEAR FREQUENTLY THERE IS NOT ENOUGH PARKING SO I JUST ASK THE QUESTION. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALL IN FAVOR INDICATE BY SAYING AYE . MOTION CARRIES 5-0.

[13. 2025 BCC Employee Holiday Schedule (J. Leighton)]

>> WE ARE BACK TO ITEM NUMBER 13. THE 2025 EMPLOYEE HOLIDAY SCHEDULE, WE DID NOT GET TO YOU BEFORE 5:00 SO, WE GOT YOU AT

8:00. >> GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS.

I WANTED TO SUBMIT THE PROPOSED SCHEDULE THAT YOU HAVE FOR THE 2025 YEAR . I DIDN'T KNOW IF HE HAD ANY QUESTIONS WITH REGARDS TO ANY OF THE PROPOSED DATES I DID WANT TO POINT OUT WITH CHRISTMAS NEXT YEAR JUST WHERE THE DAYS FALL ON, USUALLY THE COUNTY TAKES OFF CHRISTMAS EVE AND THEN CHRISTMAS FOR THE 2025 YEAR WITH THE DAYS. THE WAY THE DAYS FALL, WE ARE LOOKING TO REQUEST TO OBSERVE THE HOLIDAYS ON THURSDAY AND FRIDAY SO IT WOULD BE CHRISTMAS DAY AND THEN THE DAY AFTER CHRISTMAS. IT WOULD BE TYPICALLY CHRISTMAS.

>> WHAT WOULD THAT MEAN FOR THE WORKDAY ON THE 24TH?

>> IT WOULD BE MORE THAN LIKELY A FULL DAY IF NOT A POTENTIAL LEAVE EARLY DEPENDING UPON IF THE DEPARTMENTS WERE ABLE TO ALLOW SOME OF THE STUFF USING VACATION TIME.

>> OKAY. >> DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY

QUESTIONS? >> NOT ABOUT CHRISTMAS MAY I? I DON'T HAVE ANY REJECTION TO WHAT YOU HAVE PROPOSED ABOUT CHRISTMAS, I AM REQUESTING THAT THE COMMISSION TAKE ANOTHER LOOK AT ADDING GOOD FRIDAY TO THIS LIST. I SEE THAT WE'VE GOT'S 11, I BELIEVE IT IS 11 HOLIDAYS RECOGNIZE, DATES OBSERVED AND I WAS COMPARING, STAFF HAD PREPARED FOR ME A COUPLE OF THINGS, ONE NOTABLY WHAT OUR NEIGHBORING COUNTIES ARE DOING AND IT LOOKS LIKE CLAY RECOGNIZES 12 OF THE STATE HOLIDAY OR 12 OF THE STATE HOLIDAYS OR 10 OF THE STATE HOLIDAYS TWO OF THE FEDERALLY RECOGNIZED HOLIDAYS AND WE ARE AN ANOMALY AS I LOOK AT THE OTHER COUNTIES, FIVE OUT OF THE SEVEN SURROUNDING ALSO RECOGNIZED GOOD FRIDAY . I JUST WANTED TO BRING THAT TO US AND I KNOW IN THE PAST WE'VE TALKED ABOUT STUFF USING THEIR ADDITIONAL PERSONAL LEAVE DAY TO ACCOMMODATE THAT. THERE IS A POLL ON THAT EIGHT HOURS OF LEAVE FOR OTHER THINGS LIKE BIRTHDAYS AND ANNIVERSARIES SO I WANTED TO BRING THAT EVERYONE'S ATTENTION FOR US TO TALK ESPECIALLY IN LIGHT OF THE CHANGES THAT WE MADE TO THE CALENDAR LAST YEAR. WE ADDED A FEDERALLY RECOGNIZED HOLIDAY AND I AM WONDERING, AND STILL WE FALL IN SOME CASES SEVERAL

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DAYS LESS THAN OTHER COUNTIES NEIGHBORING US RECOGNIZING FOR THEIR STAFF I JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT OUT THERE AND GET YOUR THOUGHTS ON WHAT THIS WOULD LOOK LIKE IF WE IMPLEMENTED

OBSERVING GOOD FRIDAY ALSO. >> COMMISSIONER, WILL YOU KNOTTING SAYING YOU HAD -- GO AHEAD.

>> I AGREE WITH YOU, I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF ADDING GOOD FRIDAY.

NOT TO NECESSARILY TAKE AWAY, I DON'T HAVE DATA AS FAR AS SURROUNDING COUNTIES UNFORTUNATELY BUT, THE FEDERAL HOLIDAY YOU ROUGH RENTS IS KIND OF IN THE MIDDLE OF THE WEEK AND SOME PEOPLE OBSERVE AND SOME PEOPLE DON'T SO PERSONALLY I AM IN FAVOR OF GOOD FRIDAY MAYBE JUST A SWITCH OUT WITH THE FEDERAL HOLIDAY. THAT IS AN OPTION BUT I AM PALATABLE OF LISTENING TO WHAT OTHER COMMISSIONERS THINK.

>> ANY OTHER FEEDBACK ON ANYTHING ELSE ON THE CALENDAR

THAT YOU HAD? OKAY. >> I AM IN FAVOR OF ADDING GOOD

FRIDAY. >> I AM NOT IN FAVOR OF IT, IT IS A SWING OF ABOUT A HALF $1 MILLION THAT REQUIRES OPENING OF THE PUBLIC SAFETY CONTRACTS WHICH ARE ALREADY NEGOTIATED SO IT IS THE WRONG TIME TO DO THE. WE ARE NOT ALLOWED TO OPEN THE CONTRACT FOR THE SPECIFIC REASON IF YOU DO OPEN THE CONTRACT YOU ARE OPENING IT UP FOR EVERYTHING THAT THEY MAY WANT TO DO. TROY CAN MORE ELOQUENTLY -- COUNTY ATTORNEY?

>> WE SPECIFICALLY NEGOTIATED THIS AGREEMENT TO BE A THREE-YEAR AGREEMENT BECAUSE OF THE INCREASE.

>> THEY HAVE A PERSONAL DAY, IF THEY WANT TO USE A PERSONAL

DAY, THAT IS THEIR CHOICE. >> IT IS WITHOUT ADDING PUBLIC

SAFETY TO THAT . >> THEY HAVE ALREADY AGREED ON THEIR CONTRACT, I HAVE ALREADY ASKED

>> YEAH, THEY DID, YOU'RE RIGHT. WHAT I WOULD ADD TO THAT WHEN THE COUNTY OUT OF THE JUNETEENTH HOLIDAY IT WAS NOT IN THE CONTRACT AND THEY HAD TO WAIT UNTIL THE NEXT NEGOTIATION TO ADD IT, WHILE THAT WAS ONLY A YEAR I BELIEVE THERE IS

PRECEDENCE FOR THIS. >> WELCOME BACK AND CONGRATULATIONS. BACK FROM ORLANDO.

>> YOU ALL LOOKED CLEANED UP NICELY.

>> IT WAS VERY SPECIAL, THANK YOU.

>> WE DID AS THE CHAIR INDICATED WHEN THE JUNETEENTH HOLIDAY WAS ADDED, WE HAVE SPECIFIED IN THE CONTRACT THE SPECIFIC DATES THAT APPLY AND IT WAS CONSISTENT AT THE TIME WITH THE MOST RECENT HOLIDAY LIST WE HAD ASKED THE MEMBERSHIP TO CONSIDER A MODIFICATION THAT WOULD REDEFINE THOSE DATES INSTEAD OF SPECIFIC DAYS AS LISTED BASICALLY DAYS AS APPROVED BY THE BOARD WHICH WOULD ALLOW THE'S ABILITY TO ADD. THEY WERE RESISTANT INITIALLY WITH THAT WITH JUNETEENTH WHEN WE PRESSED ON THE MOST RECENT NEGOTIATION, THEY OBVIOUSLY TOOK JUNETEENTH WHEN IT WAS OFFERED BUT THEY RESISTED AGAINST ANY OPTION TO ADD DATES AS DEFINED BY THE WARD. THE ATTORNEY LISTED WE ARE SORT OF LIMITED TO THE SPECIFIC DATES AS DEFINED BY THE CONTRACTUAL.

BASED ON WHAT I KNOW ABOUT NEGOTIATIONS, WE WOULD RISK OPENING OTHER AREAS WITH IT AND CERTAINLY AS DIRECTED BY THE BOARD, WE CAN DO THAT I THINK I WOULD TAKE THE ADVICE OF THE

ATTORNEY ON THAT. >> JUST A CLARIFYING QUESTION, YOU MENTIONED 500,000 IS THAT BECAUSE FOR PUBLIC SAFETY THAT IS LIKE TIME AND HAVE NO HOLIDAY?

>> IT WOULD BE OVERTIME. AND TO NOT GIVE THEM THAT PUBLIC THAT HOLIDAY WOULD BE, I DON'T THINK YOU WANT TO GO DOWN THAT

ROAD. >> I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU, IS THERE A POTENTIAL THAT THIS CALENDAR COULD COME BEFORE THE BOARD BEFORE NEGOTIATIONS OR DOES IT NORMALLY? OR IS THAT

JUST NOT FEASIBLE? >> THIS CALENDAR YOU SET IT

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EVERY YEAR AT THIS TIME IN OUR NEGOTIATIONS TRADITIONALLY

START IN MAY. >> SO ITS WAY NOT --

>> IT IS THREE YEARS. THEY JUST FINISHED.

>> SURE, SURE, OKAY. >> AND HOLIDAYS AT THE VERY END

YOU ALL DISCUSSED THAT. >> HOLIDAYS IS ALWAYS A POINT WHERE I THINK BOTH SIDES ARE RETICENT TO WANT TO MOVE TOO MUCH WITH THEM. WE CERTAINLY PUSH THEM A LITTLE BIT TO DO IT. THE OTHER PIECE I WOULD ADD AND I CERTAINLY HAVE NO IF WE CHOOSE TO ADD TO EVERYBODY GOOD FRIDAY OR NOT, I POINT OUT THE FIREFIGHTERS DO WORK EASTER WHICH IS A SUNDAY WHICH IS NORMALLY AN OFF DAY SO YOU WOULD HAVE TO CONSIDER THAT FOR SOME PEOPLE THEY MAKE IT MORE SIGNIFICANT TO GOOD FRIDAY, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO MEASURE THEM IT IS US -- A

CONSIDERATION. >> YOU TURNED YOUR MICROPHONE BACK ON TO SOMETHING YOU WANTED TO SAY?

>> I THINK THAT THE POINT I WOULD LIKE TO CLARIFY AT LEAST TO ME SEEMS TO BE KIND OF LOST IN THIS CONVERSATION IS THAT IT WAS CONTRACTED OR AT LEAST IN A TOPIC OF DISCUSSION OR TO IN NEGOTIATIONS FOR THE CONTRACT TO BE FLEXIBLE TO ADD HOLIDAYS OR TO NOT MIRROR THE BCC SCHEDULE AND AS I UNDERSTAND IT, THE FIREFIGHTERS POSITION WAS THAT THEY WERE NOT GOING TO ADOPT OUR HOLIDAY SCHEDULE, AM I CONFLICTED ON THAT?

>> I DON'T THINK SO I WOULD REWORD IT A LITTLE BIT I THINK WHAT THEY WOULD SAY THEY WERE CONCERNED ABOUT WAS IF THE BOARD CHOSE TO REDUCE A HOLIDAY THEY WANTED TO ENSURE THAT THEIR SIDE WAS PROTECTED BY HAVING ALL OF THOSE HOLIDAYS AS THEY ARE NOW AND WOULD WANT TO GO BACK TO THE TABLE IF THERE WAS CONSIDERATION TO REDUCE. WE POINTED OUT TO THEM THAT INSTEAD OF THAT AND MORE RECENT PRACTICE THE BOARD HAS ADDED AND THEN THEY HAVEN'T BEEN A PART OF IT I WOULD ASSUME THEY TOOK THAT INTO CONSIDERATION ON THEIR SIDE WHEN WE AGREED TO

REMAIN AS IS. >> RIGHT, THEIR TERMS APPRECIATED THAT THE BOARD COULD EXPAND THE NUMBER OF HOLIDAYS AND IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE I AM UNDERSTANDING THAT THEY WANTED TO ADOPT JUNETEENTH BUT NOT REALLY GIVE THEMSELVES THE FLEXIBILITY TO ADD ADDITIONAL HOLIDAYS AND ALSO TO CONTRACT THAT THIS REMAINS CLOSED, THEIR AGREEMENT REMAINS CLOSED FOR THE NEXT THREE YEARS.

>> BOTH PARTIES, IT IS GIVE AND TAKE IN NEGOTIATIONS ACCEPTED THAT AND WE ARE WILLING TO STAND WHERE WE GOT TO ON THE

CONTRACT. >> THAT IS HELPFUL, THANK YOU.

I REITERATE THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS AD IN AS ONE OF OUR

HOLIDAYS. >> DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS? I HAVEN'T SHARED MY COMMENTS SO FOR THREE YEARS I'VE TRIED TO GET GOOD FRIDAY ADDED AND I NEVER HAD THE THIRD VOTE SO I OBVIOUSLY AM IN SUPPORT OF THAT, HERE ARE A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT I WILL SAY AND CERTAINLY NOT THAT I DON'T VALUE OUR FIREFIGHTERS, I GREATLY VALUE THEM I HAVE BEEN A CHAMPION FOR THEM BUT I ALSO BELIEVE THAT WE ALSO REPRESENT THE REST OF OUR WORKFORCE AND I HAVE HAD A NUMBER OF NON-COLLECTIVELY BARGAINED WORK FORCE ASKED SPECIFICALLY FOR THIS SO THAT IS WHY I HAVE CHAMPIONED IT FOR THREE YEARS AT ANY RATE, HERE'S ANOTHER THING I WANT TO SHARE AND I DON'T WANT TO LOSE SIGHT OF THIS. SO PEOPLE LIKE OUR FIREFIGHTERS, LIKE OUR PUBLIC SAFETY PERSONNEL, LIKE OUR ENVIRONMENTAL SERVICES, EMPLOYEES, OUR LIBRARY STAFF, THE PEOPLE WERE OUT THERE FRONT WORD WITH THE PUBLIC , THEY HAVE NO FLEXIBILITY IN THEIR WORK SO OKAY IF WE DECIDE ON CHRISTMAS EVE WE ARE GOING TO SEND EVERYBODY HOME AT 2:00, WHAT DO WE DO TO BE CLOSE THE LIBRARIES? DO WE CLOSE THE FIRE STATIONS? NO WE DON'T, THOSE PEOPLE HAVE TO WORK AND I HAPPEN TO HAVE A MEETING THIS, IN 2024 ON GOOD FRIDAY HERE AT THE COUNTY OFFICE AND IT WASN'T A HOLIDAY SO I CAME IN FOR THE MEETING AND IT WAS WITH HOWARD AND COURTNEY AND I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THE TOPIC WAS AND I HAVE NO IDEA WHO WE WERE TRYING TO TALK TO BUT THERE WAS SOMEONE THAT WE WERE TRYING TO TALK TO WHO WAS NOT ON PAID TIME OFF OR WHATEVER WE CALL IT, THEY WERE NOT, THEY HAD NOT TAKEN THEIR FLEX DAY THEY WERE

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NOT ON PAID TIME OFF THEY WERE WORKING FROM HOME AND WE COULD NOT REACH THEM IN MY ISSUE WITH THAT IS AND I THAT'S WHAT WE ARE KIND OF HEARING IN CORPORATE AMERICA IS IF YOU ARE WORKING FROM HOME, YOU NEED TO BE WORKING AND IF WE ARE PAYING YOU TO WORK THAT DAY SO WHAT IT SEEMS TO ME IS THAT THERE ARE NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES WHO TAKE LIBERTIES WITH THAT FLEXIBILITY OF WORKING FROM HOME BECAUSE THEY CAN AND SO, TO YOUR POINT ABOUT THE LEX DAY I DID ASK HOW EMPLOYEES CAN SEE THE FLEX DAY AND SHE SHOWED US AND SHE SAID PEOPLE WILL ASK THEM BUT THEY HAVE TO DRILL DOWN INTO THEIR ACTUAL LEAVE IN WORKDAY AND SO IF EMPLOYEES ARE WATCHING AND LISTENING AND YOU NEED TO KNOW HOW TO DO THAT YOU CAN ASK JUST BUT YOU HAVE TO ACTUALLY DRILL DOWN IN THERE AND IT HAS ITS OWN LINE IT IS CALLED A FLEX HOLIDAY APPROVAL. THEY DON'T USE THAT IN A YEAR, DO THEY YOU LOSE IT? IT JUST STAYS THERE ARE WHAT HAPPENS. IT WILL STAY UNLESS THEY ARE MAXED OUT ON THEIR BANK, ANYTHING OVER THE BANK ROLLS INTO SICK . IF THEY ARE STILL UNDER THEIR LIMIT IT WOULD BE SOMETHING IF THEY WERE TO LEAVE THE COUNTY SO LONG AS PER POLICY THEY WERE HERE LONG ENOUGH THEY WOULD GET PAID OUT

BECAUSE IT IS IN THEIR BANK. >> OKAY. AND THE OTHER THING I KNOW WE DON'T NECESSARILY MIMIC THE SCHOOL DISTRICT CALENDAR, IN A LOT OF WAYS BUT ONE THING THAT I WANT TO POINT OUT THAT HAPPENS EVERY APRIL IS, THIS IS COMING UP I JUST PULLED UP THEIR 2025, 24-25 CALENDAR, FRIDAY APRIL 11TH IS FARADAY, STUDENT-TEACHER HOLIDAY AND FRIDAY APRIL 18TH IS GOOD FRIDAY, STUDENT-TEACHER HOLIDAY AND SO I AM SURE THAT WE HAVE A NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES WHO ARE NEEDING, YOU WILL NEED TO USE THAT FLEX DAY BECAUSE FOR FARADAY, DAY CARE IS NOT OPEN I MEAN MAYBE IF THE DAY CARE CENTER HAPPENS LOOK AT THE SCHOOL HOLIDAY AND MAKE ADJUSTMENTS BUT I WAS A WORKING MOM BACK WHEN MY KIDS WERE YOUNG AND YOU ALWAYS KIND OF HAD TO FIGURE OUT ARE YOU GOING TO USE ALL YOUR LEAVE TO TAKE UP THE DAYS AND THE KIDS ARE OUT OF SCHOOL ARE YOU GOING TO HAVE TO DIG HER OUT CHILDCARE AND SO I JUST WANT, I WANT TO BE SURE THAT WE HAVE PARITY AND WHEN THAT HAPPENED ON GOOD FRIDAY, HOWARD AND COURTNEY KNOW BACK THEN I WAS REALLY FRUSTRATED BY IT I FELT LIKE THERE WERE EMPLOYEES WHO WERE TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THE DAY THIS PLACE WAS A GHOST TOWN, A WHOLE BUNCH OF PEOPLE TAKING THEIR FLEX DAY OR TAKING OTHER ANNUAL LEAVE OR MAYBE THEY WERE ALL WORKING FROM HOME TOO BUT IT SEEMED TO ME, NOT EVERYBODY WAS DOING IT OBVIOUSLY WE HAD A MEETING BUT IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THERE WAS NOT A LOT OF ACTIVITY GOING ON IN THIS BUILDING FOR A DAY THAT WAS NOT A PAID HOLIDAY AND SO I JUST FELT LIKE IT WASN'T NECESSARILY AS INGENUOUS TO OUR EMPLOYEES THAT WERE WORKING HARD THAT DAY AND THERE WERE A LOT OF EMPLOYEES THAT WORK HARD AND I VALUE ALL OF OUR EMPLOYEES BUT THAT IS THAT. SO THAT IS HOW I FEEL BUT I HAVE TRIED FOR THREE YEARS TO GET GOOD FRIDAY RECOGNIZED SO AND I HEAR YOU CHIEF ON EASTER. AND I THOUGHT IT WAS, I DO THINK IT'S INTERESTING THAT IN THE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING PROCESS AND THEY WILL HEAR ME SAY THIS SO I WILL HEAR ABOUT THIS ONE BUT IT'S INTERESTING TO ME IN THE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING PROCESS THAT THEY WERE WORRIED THAT WE WOULD TAKE HOLIDAYS AWAY AND IN THE FOUR YEARS THAT I WAS A COMMISSIONER WE'V NEVER EVEN TALKED ABOUT TAKING HOLIDAYS AWAY BUT ANYWAY I UNDERSTAND THAT IT IS ALL A NEGOTIATION AND A DANCE IT IS

WHAT IT IS. >> MADAM CHAIR, IF I MAY? I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION FOR THE COUNTY ATTORNEY AGAIN. IS THERE ANY SCENARIO WITH THIS WHERE WE ADD OR TAKE AWAY AND DON'T GET INTO THE CONTRACTUAL ISSUES WITH THE UNION? WITH THE PUBLIC

SAFETY? >> SO WHATEVER YOU AS A BOARD CAN DO JUST FOR THE COUNTY EMPLOYEES THAT ARE NOT PART OF THE UNION, NOT PART OF THE COLLECTIVE AGREEMEN. SO WHATEVER YOU DO TO THIS WILL NOT APPLY TO THEM.

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>> PLEASE GO AHEAD AND EXPLAIN BECAUSE I WANTED TO HEAR THE

SECOND SIDE OF THE COIN. >> IF YOU ARE GIVING A BENEFIT TO ONE, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU, I CAN'T JUSTIFY IN MY MIND HOW YOU CAN BENEFIT TO SOME OF YOUR COUNTY EMPLOYEES AND NOT THE

OTHERS. >> WHAT WE DID THE YEAR OF

JUNETEENTH. >> MAYBE WE DID OR WE DID BUT TO DO IT AGAIN PURPOSEFULLY AND THAT WAS BECAUSE OF OUTSIDE INFLUENCE, FEDERAL. THIS IS ALL INTERNAL AND LIKE I SAID I AM, $500,000 IS WHAT IT'S GOING TO COST TO THE COUNTY IN LOST PRODUCTION OR ACTUAL MONEY THROUGH OVERTIME. WE KEEP SAYING WE NEED MORE, WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH AND WE SOAK EVERYBODY GO HOME AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND, I THINK THE PROBLEM WITH WORKING FROM HOME IS TOTALLY DIFFERENT SUBJECT AND THAT IS ON SUPERVISION OF EMPLOYEES, THAT IS A WHOLE DIFFERENT ISSUE. THAT HAS A DIFFERENT SOLUTION.

>> WELL I, I DON'T NECESSARILY AGREE ABOUT THIS BEING INTERNAL BECAUSE YOU'RE RIGHT, JUNETEENTH IS FEDERALLY RECOGNIZED BUT GOOD FRIDAY IS A STATE RECOGNIZED HOLIDAY.

>> IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT A STATE.

>> IT IS. >> IT IS NOT LISTED AS A STATE.

>> WE LOOKED INTO THAT LAST WEEK OR AT LEAST I WAS PRESENTED WITH INFORMATION AND WE DID ADJUST'S ACTION -- JUXTAPOSITION ON WHAT THE STATE HOLIDAYS ARE IN GOOD FRIDAY IS A STATE RECOGNIZED HOLIDAY, FLORIDA RECOGNIZES THAT THIS IS

A HOLIDAY. >> I KNOW THE COURT SYSTEM RECOGNIZES IT. IT IS IN OUR COURTS. AND WE CAN'T --

>> SO BELOW, IT'S NOT ON THE INITIAL CALENDAR THAT GOVERNOR DESANTIS HAS IN THE PAST NAMED CERTAIN DAYS FOR THE STATE EMPLOYEES TO TAKE OFF SO IN THAT CASE MAYBE THE PAST YEAR IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN A DAY THAT HE HAD OFFERED FOR THE EMPLOYEES TO TAKE OFF THAT IT WASN'T ON THE OFFICIAL CALENDAR BUT THAT'S WHY WE DID THAT BELOW BECAUSE THERE WAS MULTIPLE DAYS THIS PAST YEAR THAT HE HAD MADE THE CALL ON

THE FLY. >> HE LIKES TO DO THAT.

>> THOSE ARE THE OUTSIDE INFLUENCES THAT WE HAVE TO KIND

OF COMPLY WITH >> I THINK I JUST FALL BACK ON IF WE WANT TO BE EQUITABLE AND WE ARE TALKING ABOUT AN ADDITIONAL $500,000 THAT WOULD BE TRUE IF IT WAS A PART OF A CONTRACT THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN NEGOTIATED AND IT'S JUST NOT THE CASE HERE. WE ARE CALENDAR LOOKING TO ADOPT AND ADD ONE MORE DAY THAT WAS NOT BARGAINED FOR FOR THE EMPLOYEES THAT YOU ARE REFERRING TO AND THEY HAVE THE OPTION TO DO THAT I HEAR YOUR ARGUMENT AS IT BEING INEQUITABLE BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT I SEE IT THAT WAY BECAUSE THEY HAD THEIR BITE AT THE APPLE FIRST AND IT SOUNDS TO ME LIK THE CONVERSATIONS THAT WERE HAD BECAUSE I WASN'T A PART OF THE NEGOTIATIONS I DON'T KNOW BUT WE ENDED UP HAVING TO REALLY COMPEL THEM TO ADOPT EVEN A FEDERALLY RECOGNIZED HOLIDAY OR EVEN STRONGLY ENCOURAGE I DON'T WANT TO USE COMPEL SO IF THERE IS RESISTANCE BECAUSE THERE IS THIS PERCEPTION THAT THE COUNTY WOULD BE TAKING AWAY DAYS BUT NOT ALSO BALANCING THAT PERSPECTIVE AND THAT THE COUNTY COULD POTENTIALLY ADD DAYS EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE DONE THAT IN THE PAST I DON'T THINK ANYBODY IS BEING MARGINALIZED AND LET'S ALSO, WELL, I WILL RESERVE MY SECOND THOUGHTS ON THAT BUT I DO THINK THAT IF WE ARE GOING TO MAKE AN ARGUMENT ABOUT EQUITY, OUR COLLECTIVELY BARGAINED AGREEMENTS TOOK THIS INTO CONSIDERATION AND ON DID NOT TO DO THAT SO I'M HAPPY TO RESPECT THAT DECISION NOT TO

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ADD GOOD FRIDAY, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN COMING UP YEAR OVER YEAR OVER YEAR SO IT'S NOT LIKE WE ARE TAKING ANYBODY BY SURPRISE AND TAKING UP THE CONVERSATION YET ANOTHER YEAR AND IF THAT WASN'T SOMETHIN THAT WE WANTED TO FOLD IN, I'M OKAY WITH THAT, I'M PERFECTLY OKAY WITH THAT ESPECIALLY BECAUSE NOTICE HAS BEEN GIVEN YEAR AFTER YEAR AFTER YEAR SO FOR THE PURPOSES OF FOLDING AND ONE MORE HOLIDAY THAT COULD HAVE BEEN FOLDED IN AND WAS NOT I DON'T TAKE EXCEPTION TO THAT AND I AM OPEN TO CONSIDERING.

>> ANY OTHER DISCUSSION OR A MOTION? WE DO I GUESS NEED TO

TAKE ACTION ON THIS. >> I JUST HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION, YOU WANTED TO SWAP OUT IF FEDERAL HOLIDAY THAT WE ALREADY RECOGNIZE, DID YOU HAVE ONE IN MIND?

>> IT PONDERED MY MIND, I DO SEE THIS LIST NOW MOST COUNTIES DO RECOGNIZE IT BUT IT'S ALWAYS A RANDOM MIDWEEK DAY I THINK WHEN PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY ARE NEEDING SERVICE

SO I THOUGHT ABOUT IT IT'S. >> WELL THEN I MOVE UNLESS YOU

WANT CONVERSATION -- >> IT FINE WHATEVER YOU WANT TO

DO. >> I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ADOPT THE EMPLOYEE HOLIDAY SCHEDULE AS IT'S PRESENTED ADDING GOOD FRIDAY AND I DON'T HAVE THE DATE ON THAT I THINK IT FALLS SOMETIME BETWEEN THE 18TH OF APRIL.

OKAY, THE 18TH OF APRIL FOR 2025.

>> SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO ADOPT THE CURRENT PRINTED HOLIDAY SCHEDULE WITH AN ADDITION OF GOOD FRIDAY ON FRIDAY APRIL 18TH, 2025, DISCUSSION? ALL OF THOSE IN FAVOR INDICATE IN FAVOR BY SAYING AYE . THOSE OPPOSED?

[14. 2025 BCC Meeting Dates]

>> AYE . >> MOTION PASSES. NOW WE HAVE

2025 BCC MEETING DATE. >> I WILL TAKE THAT ONE ON -- THERE IS ONE ASTERISK AS YOU GUYS WOULD NOTE THERE, NOVEMBER 10TH, THAT IS A MONDAY. WE ARE PROPOSING THAT TO BE A BCC MEETING DAY DUE TO THE FACT THAT NOVEMBER 11TH, VETERANS DAY FOLLOWS ON THAT SECOND TUESDAY OF THE MONTH, PENDING ANY QUESTIONS BACKUP AS REFLECTED, ALL OTHER SECOND AND FOURTH TUESDAYS ARE LISTED OTHER THAN OUR SINGLE BCC MEETING DAY IN DECEMBER AS NORMAL.

>> QUESTIONS FOR THE COUNTY MANAGER?

>> MANAGER, SORRY, IS THIS BCC AND TDC? IN THE AGENDA ITEM IT

WAS BOTH >> THERE IS AN ADDITIONAL BACKUP ON THERE. IT HAS THE PLANNING DATES AND THE TOURISM DATES THAT ARE LISTED. THERE WAS A CORRECTION THAT WAS MADE, THOSE DO FALL ON THOSE WEDNESDAYS AS DISCUSSED.

>> YOU ARE NOT APPROVING THE STATE, THOSE CAN SET THEIR OWN DATES. THEY WILL GO TO THAT COMMITTEE BASED ON THAT LAYOUT.

>> OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? IF NOT I WILL ENTERTAIN A

MOTION. >> I WILL MOVE APPROVAL.

>> OKAY WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL OF THOSE IN FAVOR INDICATE BY SAYING AYE . MOTION APPROVED.

[15. FY24 Consolidated Annual Performance and Evaluation Report (CAPER) for the Community Development Block Grant Program (M. Covey)]

NOW ITEM 15, THE FY 24 CONSOLIDATED ANNUAL PERFORMANCE AND EVALUATION REPORT FOR THE COMMUNITY BLOCK DEVELOPMENT

GRANT PROGRAM, MEGHAN? >> GOOD EVENING. TONIGHT I AM BRIEFING THE CAPER WHICH IS OUR END OF YEAR REPORTS THAT WE SUBMIT ON THE PROGRESS WE'VE MADE IT TOWARDS OUR GOALS AND

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THE ACTION PLAN. THIS IS FOR FISCAL YEAR 23-24. SO DURING THAT TIME PERIOD WE HAD THREE MAIN PROJECT TYPES THAT WE USED TO SERVE THE COMMUNITY AND WE DELEGATED FUNDS FOR. PRIMARY PROJECTS IN THIS CATEGORY WHERE THE PAVING OF DENISON AND BAYLOR AVENUES IN THE COMMUNITY OF HIGH RIDGE ESTATE. THE ESTIMATED TOTAL BENEFIT WAS 1566 INDIVIDUALS. THE SECOND PROJECT TYPE WAS HOME REHABILITATION. THE REMAINING SEVEN ARE IN PROGRESS AND ON TRACK TO BE COMPLETED IN FY 25 AND THE THIRD PROJECT TYPE WAS NEIGHBORHOOD CLEANUPS, WE DID THREE PROJECTS IN THIS CATEGORY ONE IN HIGH RIDGE ESTATES, ONE IN THE TANGLEWOOD COMMUNITY AND ONE IN TANGLEWOOD PARK. IN TOTAL WE ESTIMATE THAT 6000 INDIVIDUALS BENEFITED IN THESE AREAS FROM THE CLEANUPS. PER HOUR CITIZEN PER DISSIPATION PAN -- PLAN WE HELD A PERIOD FROM OCTOBER 23RD TO NOVEMBER 13TH. THE ONLY PUBLIC COMMENT WE RECEIVED WAS WITH REGARD TO HOW THE COUNTY UTILIZE THEIR VOLUNTEER PROGRAM TO PARTICIPATE IN THE COMMUNITY CLEANUP PROJECTS AND THE NEIGHBORHOODS SO WE PROVIDED FEEDBACK ON HOW RESIDENTS CAN GET INVOLVED AND HOW THAT PROCESS WORKS THROUGH COMMUNITY SERVICES. SO, ANY QUESTIONS? WE ARE JUST REQUESTING APPROVAL FROM THE BCC TO SUBMIT THE CAPER BY THE DECEMBER 20TH

DEADLINE. >> QUESTIONS FOR MEGAN? IF NOT

I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. >> OKAY WE HAVE A MOTION IN THE SECOND, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL OF THOSE IN FAVOR INDICATE

[25. Discussion of Appointments to the Planning Commission]

BY SAYING AYE. MOTION CARRIES, 5-0. NOW WE ARE AT OUR LETTERS FOR ACTION, WE ARE DISCUSSING THE APPOINTMENT TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, THERE ARE, THERE WERE APPLICATIONS FOR REAPPOINTMENT RECEIVED FROM THREE INDIVIDUALS CURRENTLY SERVING, MARY BRIDGEMAN, JOE, AND RALPH AND THEN WE ADDITIONALLY RECEIVED APPLICATIONS FROM MICHAEL AND WILLIAM. AND I DON'T KNOW -- THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT YOU HAVE TO, BUT I JUST WANTED TO RECOGNIZE IF YOU WERE HERE, I KNEW MR. SCHAFER WASN'T HERE. IF ANYONE HAS QUESTIONS FOR YOU, THEY WILL CALL YOU UP AND WITH THAT IT IS

OPEN FOR DISCUSSION. >> WE HAVE HOW MANY POSITIONS

TO APPOINT FOR? >> THREE.

>> I CAN SPEAK FOR ONE, MARY BRIDGEMAN WHO IS NOW THE CHAIR, IF YOU WANT TO WATCH SOMEBODY WHO IS EXCEPTIONALLY ASTUTE ABOUT PROCESS AND PROCEDURE, WATCH HER, SHE HAS DONE A VERY GOOD JOB. SO YOU WANT TO TAKE MOTIONS INDIVIDUALLY?

>> SURE, WE CAN. >> REPORTER: I WOULD LIKE TO

MAKE A MOTION TO REAPPOINT. >> I WILL SECOND YOUR MOTION, MARY LIVES IN MY DISTRICT AND SHE DOES A REALLY GOOD JOB, SHE IS A RETIRED ATTORNEY AND I FORGET, SHE IS A DUAL-CAREER RETIREE AND SHE IS SO YOUNG BUT ANYWAY MY QUESTION, MAYBE IT IS FOR YOU TERESA MAYBE IT IS FOR COURTNEY, HOW IS THE PLANNING COMMISSION, ARE THEY JUST APPOINTED AT LARGE OR DO WE APPOINT THEM BY DISTRICT? OKAY. OKAY. I THINK WE HAVE TRIED TO IN THE PAST THEY HAVE TRIED TO SPREAD THEM OUT SO THAT THEY WERE, BUT THEY ARE NOT DESIGNATED FOR DISTRICT. OKAY, I KNOW THAT THERE ARE ONLY TWO ON THE COMMISSION SEVEN MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND I KNOW THAT THERE ARE ONLY TWO FROM DISTRICT 4. MARY IS ONE OF THOSE. THAT IS WITH MY SECOND.

ANY COMMENTS, FURTHER DISCUSSION ON MARY? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, INDICATE BY SAYING AYE. AS OPPOSED? OKAY THE MOTION CARRIES 5-0. WE HAVE TWO, WE HAVE TWO OTHER

APPLICANTS FOR TWO POSITIONS. >> I CAN SPEAK UP FOR MADAM CHAIR, IF I MAY, JOE ANZALONE HE IS A RESIDENT OF DISTRICT

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TWO, HE IS THOROUGH AND HAS A PASSION FOR BALANCE AND I THINK THAT IS APROPOS FOR TONIGHT, THE DESIRE TO WEIGH WHAT HAS BEEN WITH WHAT MAY BE COMING AND I THINK THAT HE DOES THAT WITH EFFICIENCY AND WITH REASON SO I WOULD RECOMMEND REAPPOINTMENT TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF JOE ANZALONE .

>> WE HAVE A MOTION, DO WE HAVE A SECOND?

>> I WILL SECOND THE MOTION. >> DISCUSSION? ALL OF THOSE IN FAVOR, INDICATE BY SAYING AYE . THOSE OPPOSED? THE MOTION CARRIES 5-0. SO WE HAVE THREE APPLICANTS AND ONE POSITION.

>> I CAN SPEAK FOR RALPH . I CAN'T SAY ENOUGH ABOUT HOW MUCH I FEEL LIKE HE CONTRIBUTES TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION. HE DEFINITELY HAS A LOT OF KNOWLEDGE AND SPEAKS ABOUT IT.

I'M ALSO SPEAKING ABOUT THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING COMMITTEE AND HE HAS JUST HAD SOME GREAT IDEAS SO IT IS SO AWESOME TO SEE TWO OTHER PEOPLE APPLY FOR THAT POSITION BUT I WOULD RECOMMEND RALPH TO BE RE-APPOINTED.

>> WE HAVE A MOTION, DO WE HAVE A SECOND?

>> I WILL SECOND THE MOTION. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A

SECOND. >> I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT AND THANK YOU TO APPLYING FOR THIS AND DON'T LET THIS SCARE YOU OFF IF IT DOESN'T GO YOUR WAY, PLANNING COMMISSIONS IS ONE OF THE HARDEST TO GET ON BUT THANK YOU FOR YOUR MILITARY SERVICE AND IF WE CAN FIND A DIFFERENT PLACE PROVIDED THIS PASS IS THAT, IF WE CAN FIND A DIFFERENT PLACE FOR YOU TO SERVE WE HAVE TONS OF PLACES THAT ARE OPEN AND SO I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THAT IF YOU WOULD GIVE US THAT ON OR AFTER DON'T VALUE ONTO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, IF WE DON'T, IF WE DON'T.

>> WE APPRECIATE THAT'S. 29 YEARS IS A LONG TIMES DO WE APPRECIATE THAT. OKAY, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION, COMMENTS, QUESTIONS? ALL OF THOSE IN FAVOR INDICATE BY SAYING AYE.

THOSE OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES 5-0.

>> WE WILL FIND A PLACE FOR YOU. MEET YOUR COMMISSIONER.

[26. Appointment to Seat 3 of the Green Cove Springs Community Redevelopment Area Board for a Four Year Term December 1, 2024 to November 30, 2028]

ALL RIGHT SO, WHEN I WAS LOOKING AT THE CHAIRMAN'S APPOINTMENTS WHICH WE ARE GOING TO GET TO IN JUST A FEW MINUTES I NOTICED THAT COMMISSIONER BURKS TERM ON THE CRA WAS ONLY A TWO YEAR APPOINTMENT SO IT EXPIRED IN NOVEMBER OF '24. WE NEED TO REAPPOINT A COMMISSIONER TO SERVE ON THAT, HEATHER IS OUR CITIZEN THAT WE APPOINTED WHO LIVES IN GREEN COVE SPRINGS AND HER TERM GOES THROUGH 2026 SO THEY WERE DIFFERENT I GUESS MAYBE YOU ALL DID THAT ON PURPOSE TO KIND OF STAGGER THEM AND SO I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR A COMMISSIONER TO BE ON THE GREEN COVE SPRINGS AREA COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT AREA BOARD FOR A FOUR YEAR TERM BEGINNING, IT BEGAN LAST WEEK AND IT WILL GO THROUGH NOVEMBER OF '28.

>> IT IS EAST QUARTERLY, RIGHT?

>> I DON'T KNOW. >> YOU.

>> I WOULD SAY WE REAPPOINT COMMISSIONER BURKE UNLESS SHE HAS A REASON TO TELL US THAT SHE IS NOT INTERESTED.

>> I WILL MAKE A MOTION. >> OKAY WE HAVE A MOTION IN A SECOND, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? OKAY, ALL OF THOSE IN FAVOR

[27. Bid Opening Tabulations (K. Smith)]

INDICATE BY SAYING AYE. IT CARRIES 5-0. WE HAVE SOME COUNTERTOP REPLACEMENT FOR THE ADMINISTRATIVE BUILDING IN FRONT ELEVATOR MODERNIZATION WHICH WAS A RE-BIT. I THOUGHT WE HAD ALREADY HAD THOSE LAST TIME. OKAY PERFECT, NOW WE ARE AT OUR SECOND PUBLIC COMMENT FOR ALL OF THOSE WHO SAY THEY CAN'T GET OFF WORK AND SPEAK TO US IT IS A QUARTER TO 9:00, YOU CAN COME AND SPEAK TO US. ALL RIGHT SO I WILL OPEN THE SECOND PUBLIC COMMENT, I DON'T HAVE ANY CARDS, IS THERE ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK? ALL RIGHT SEEING NONE, I WILL CLOSE

[COUNTY ATTORNEY]

THE SECOND PUBLIC COMMENT AND I WILL BRING IT BACK TO COMMISSION AUDITOR. OKAY, COUNTY ATTORNEY.

>> AS I'M SURE MANY OF YOU ARE AWARE BECAUSE IT'S BEEN IN THE

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NEWS, OUR ANIMAL SERVICES BACK ON WEDNESDAY BEFORE THANKSGIVING WE DID A SEIZURE OF 39 ANIMALS UNDER THE MISTREATED AND CRUELTY STATUES OF THIS PAST FRIDAY WE HAD TO FILE THE PETITION WITH THE COURT, WE HAVE FILED THE PETITION THE HEARING IS SET FOR DECEMBER 30TH WE HAVE OF THE 39 UNFORTUNATELY ONE OF THE ANIMALS PASS BUT WE STILL HAVE 38 THAT WE ARE HOUSING SO JUST TO LET YOU KNOW THAT THAT