Dec 03, 2024 Planning Commission

[Call to Order]

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>> WELCOME TO THE CLAY COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING OF DECEMBER 3RD, 2024. THE MEETING IS NOW CALLED TO ORDER.

COMMISSIONER DAVIS WILL LEAD US IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.

>> PLEASE RISE, IF YOU ARE ABLE. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD INDIVISIBLE WITH

LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. >> GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS MARY RICHMAN, AND I AM CHAIR OF THE CLAY COUNTY COMMISSION. WE THANK YOU, MISS BLANCHET. OTHER STAFF PRESENT INCLUDE , I BELIEVE WE HAVE -- YES, RIGHT THERE, BETH CARSON, PLANNING OF DIRECTING AND ZONING. WE HAVE JENNY, OUR ZONING CHIEF , WE HAVE OUR CHIEF PLANNER , AND I BELIEVE I SAW KELLY HENRY BACK THERE. SHE IS OUR ECONOMIC AND DEVELOPMENT SERVICES COORDINATOR. WE HAVE COURTNEY GRIMM, OUR COUNTY ATTORNEY , AND THEODORE JAMIE, OUR ASSISTANT COUNTY ATTORNEY. IS THERE ANY OTHER OFFICIALS THAT I NEED TO RECOGNIZE AT THIS TIME? ALSO, I WANT TO THANK DEPUTY LENARD OF THE CLAY COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE FOR PROVIDING SECURITY THIS EVENING. I WOULD LIKE TO INTRODUCE MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS . TO MY RIGHT , I HAVE COMMISSIONER DAVIS, COMMISSIONER NORTON, AND COMMISSIONER PUCKHABER. TO MY LEFT, I HAVE COMMISSIONER BOURRE, COMMISSIONER ANZALONE, AND COMMISSIONER GARRISON. I HAVE PAUL, WHO IS REPRESENTING THE CLAY COUNTY'S WORD. THE CLAY COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION IS AN ADVISORY BOARD TO THE CLAY COUNTY BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS. MOST OF THE DECISIONS ARE ACTUALLY -- WELL, MOST OF THE DECISIONS MADE BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION OUR RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS, OR BCC.

THE BCC WILL HAVE THE FINAL SAY ON THESE MATTERS AT THEIR MEETING ON DECEMBER 10TH , WHICH IS ONE WEEK FROM TODAY.

THE ZONING PORTION OF THE BCC MEETING IS HELD DURING THE REGULAR MEETING, WHICH STARTS AT 4:00 P.M. ZONING AND LAND-USE MATTERS ARE HELD AT 5:00 P.M. OF THE TIME CERTAIN.

SO, PLEASE BE SURE AND CHECK THEIR AGENDA FOR THESE ITEMS. NOW, IF THERE IS AN ITEM ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA THAT YOU WISH TO SPEAK ABOUT, PLEASE FILL OUT ONE OF THE COMMENT CARDS .

BLANKS ARE IN THE VESTIBULE OUTSIDE. WHEN YOU HAVE FILLED IT OUT, PLEASE GIVE IT TO MS. BLANCHET. AT THIS TIME, WE REQUEST THAT YOU PUT YOUR CELL PHONES ON SILENT OR VIBRATE .

IF YOU NEED TO TAKE A CALL DURING THE MEETING, PLEASE STEP

[1.  Approval of Minutes]

BY SAYING AYE? >> AYE.

>> AYE. >> AYE.

>> ANY OPPOSED? THAT CARRIES. THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS THE PUBLIC, PERIOD. AT THIS TIME, ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC MAY COMMENT ON ITEMS NOT INCLUDED ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA, BUT PERTINENT TO THE BUSINESS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION. AND AGAIN, YOU NEED TO FILL OUT A COMMENT CARD IF YOU WANT TO PARTICIPATE. I AM NOT SURE, I THINK IT IF YOU COMMENT CARDS FOR THE FIRST PUBLIC, PERIOD , AND ON ALL OF THE COMMENT PERIODS, THE PUBLIC HAVE THREE MINUTES TO MAKE THEIR COMMENTS , AND THE LIGHTS ON THE PODIUM WILL HELP YOU KEEP TRACK OF YOUR TIME. AT THIS TIME, I WILL OPEN THE FIRST PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD. IS THERE ANYONE PRESENT THIS EVENING WHO WANTS TO SPEAK JUST ON SOMETHING THAT IS NOT ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT? I DON'T HAVE ANY CARDS -- WELL, SPECIFICALLY -- WELL, I HAVE A COUPLE THAT THEY FIRST PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD, BUT I THINK THEY ARE FOR ITEM NUMBER TWO. MATTHEW CUNNINGHAM AND JENNY,

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CITIZEN PARTICIPATION IS THE BACKBONE OF OUR DEMOCRATIC FORM OF GOVERNMENT. YOUR PRESENCE HERE IN THIS IMPORTANT AND IS APPRECIATED. ALL OF THE PLANNING COMMISSIONERS ARE VOLUNTEERS. WE ARE RESIDENTS OF CLAY COUNTY APPOINTED BY THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS. WE SERVE TWO YEAR TERMS AND MUST REAPPLY IF WE WANT TO CONTINUE TO SERVE. OUR DUTIES ARE OUTLINED IN THE FLORIDA STATUTES. WE HER APPLICATION FOR COPPERHEADS OF PLAN AMENDMENTS, LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE CHANGES, AND REZONINGS. AS I SAID EARLIER , ALL OF OUR DECISIONS ARE ADVISORY TO THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS.

I WILL BRIEFLY REVIEW THE PROCEDURE YOU FOLLOW AND THAT WE FOLLOW AT THESE MEETINGS, AND HOPEFULLY THAT WILL BE HELPFUL TO YOU. EACH ITEM ON THE PUBLIC HEARING AGENDA IS PRESENTED BY A MEMBER OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING DEPARTMENT SITTING RIGHT OVER HERE. AS PART OF THE PRESENTATION, THE STAFF MEMBER WILL INDICATE WHETHER THEY RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE REQUESTED LAND-USE ZONING OR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE CHANGE. NEXT, THE APPLICANT WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK. FOLLOWING THE APPLICANT'S PRESENTATION, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC MAY OFFER THEIR VIEWS. IF YOU WISH TO SPEAK, AGAIN, YOU WILL NEED TO DO SEVERAL THINGS. FILL OUT THE COMMENT CARD AS WE HAVE DISCUSSED AND GIVE IT TO MS. BLANCHET, AND THEN ALSO, YOU WILL NEED TO TAKE AN OATH THAT MISS BLANCHET WILL ADMINISTER MOMENTARILY TO ALL OF THOSE WHO WISH TO SPEAK DURING THE HEARING. IF YOU ARE NOT SURE WHETHER YOU WISH TO SPEAK, PLEASE GO AHEAD AND TAKE THE OATH. YOUR SPEAKING TIME IS LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES. THE LIGHTS ON THE PODIUM WILL HELP YOU KEEP TRACK OF THE TIME.

YOUR TIME IS FOR STATING YOUR VIEWS. NOT FOR ASKING QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT, MEMBERS OF THE STAFF, OR THE COMMISSIONERS. AFTER THE STAFF, THE APPLICANT, AND THE PUBLIC HAVE ALL HAD A CHANCE TO STATE THEIR VIEWS, THE APPLICANT WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO RESPOND TO THE COMMENTS BY THE PUBLIC.

AT THAT TIME, THE COMMISSIONERS WILL DISCUSS THE MATTER IF NECESSARY, AND RENDER A DECISION. AGAIN, I THANK YOU AND COMMEND YOU FOR PARTICIPATING IN THIS PROCESS.

BEFORE WE BEGIN THE PUBLIC HEARINGS , WE WILL HAVE MISS BLANCHET SWEAR AND ANYONE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF OR IN OPPOSITION TO AN APPLICATION. IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, PLEASE STAND, MOVED TO THE CENTER OF THE ROOM IS MUCH AS HE POSSIBLY CAN AND RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. YOU ALL SOLEMNLY SWEAR OR FROM THE TESTIMONY YOU'RE GOING TO GIVE IS THE WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH SO HELP YOU GOD? THANK YOU, ALL.

[1.  Public Hearing to Consider ZON 24-0035, Proposal Addressing Replacement Policy (M. Brown)]

PLANNING AND ZONING. >> THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. I AM FILLING IN FOR NOW RETIRE ZONING CHIEF MIKE BROWN , WHO WE WILL MISS, AND WE APPRECIATE HIM BEING HERE, AND WE HOPE HE HAS THE BEST FUTURE COMING UP. THIS ITEM IS A STAFF INITIATED ITEM . IT IS AN AMENDMENT TO SECTION 3-11, THE NONCONFORMING USES, LOT, AND STRUCTURES OF THE LAND DEVELOPING CODE .

IT'S BASED ON THE FACT THAT ON APRIL 13TH, 2010, THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS CREATED ON THE BOARD FOR A POLICY THAT WE HAVE COMMONLY CALLED THE REPLACEMENT POLICY. AND IT BASICALLY STATES THAT ANY SINGLE FAMILY HOME, ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, OR MOBILE HOME THAT HAS BEEN CONSTRUCTED OR REPLACED ON A SAY BASED UPON THE ISSUANCE OF A VALID BUILDING PERMIT BY CLAY COUNTY SHALL BE ALLOWED TO REPLACE THE SINGLE-FAMILY HOME , ACCESSORY, STRUCTURE, OR MOBILE HOME WITH A STRUCTURE OF THE SAME TYPE WHICH IS NOT EXPAND THE FOOTPRINT OF THE REPLACED STRUCTURE. SO, WHAT WE FOUND RECENTLY IS WE HAVE HAD SITUATIONS WHERE PROPERTY

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TYPICALLY IT FALLS UNDER THE MOBILE HOMES, AND THEY ARE NO LOOK LONGER MAKING THAT A SMALLER MOBILE HOME, SO THEY NEED TO EXPAND BE ON THE FOOTPRINT OF WHAT EXISTED. SO, THIS POLICY WAS NEVER CODIFIED INTO OUR LAND DEVELOPING CODE.

IT HAS ALWAYS EXISTED OUT THERE IS A BOARD POLICY, AND THAT IT HAS BEEN LAMENTED. SO, THIS IS TO ACTUALLY FIT INTO OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE , AND STAFF IS PROPOSING TO REVISE THE BOARD POLICY TO ADD A SPECIFIC DATE ÚOF JANUARY 14TH, 2025. THAT IS THE DATE THAT IF THE BOARD WERE TO ADOPT THIS , THIS POLICY WOULD BE GOING INTO EFFECT. IN THE POLICY WOULD READ PARCELS RELATED TO JANUARY 14TH, 2025 , AND THAT IT IS BASICALLY ALL THE SAME, BASED ON AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE HAS BEEN CONSTRUCTED OR REPLACED ON THE SAY BASED UPON THE ISSUANCE OF VALID BUILDING PERMIT SHALL BE ALLOWED TO RELEASE A SINGLE FAMILY HOME, MOBILE HOME, OR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE CONSISTENT WITH, AND HERE IS THE CHANGE. THE MINIMUM SETBACKS, PERCENT LOT COVERAGE , AND MINIMUM LIVING AREA OF THE DISTRICT IN WHICH THE PARCEL IS LOCATED. SO, THIS WOULD ALLOW THEM IF THEY HAD A VALID BUILDING PERMIT ISSUED TO REPLACE THE STRUCTURE AS LONG AS THEY ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE SETBACKS , THE MAXIMUM LOT COVERAGE, ALL OF THE STANDARD REQUIREMENTS OF THE DISTRICTS, YOU KNOW, ASIDE FROM WHENEVER THEY ARE NONCONFORMING. SO, THIS WOULD REMOVE THAT RESTRICTION ON THE SIZE FOR THE NEW STRUCTURE , IT WOULD REQUIRE THE REPLACED INSTRUCTOR TO MEET ALL OF THESE REQUIREMENTS OF THE APPLICABLE ZONING DISTRICT , IT WOULD APPLY TO PARCELS RELATED TO THE ADOPTION DATE OF THIS NEW CODE. WITH THAT, STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE BCC RESEND THE POLICY ADOPTION ON APRIL 13TH, 2010, AND ADOPT THE FOLLOWING NEW POLICY INTO SUBSECTION 311 ONE INTO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. THAT IS THE POLICY THAT I JUST READ TO YOU. I WILL NOT BOTHER READING IT TO YOU AGAIN, BUT IT IS THE SAME POLICY. AND WITH THAT, STAFF RECOMMEND'S APPROVAL. YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?

>> ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION?

>> I HAVE A COUPLE. WHEN YOU SAY VALID BUILDING PERMIT, IS THAT THE STRUCTURE THAT IS OR CURRENTLY WAS ON THE LOT THAT WAS THERE WITH A VALID BUILDING PERMIT?

>> CORRECT, YES. >> BECAUSE IT, GET A NEW BUILDING PERMIT BECAUSE OF THE ZONING RESTRICTION.

>> CORRECT. >> SO, IF SOMEONE PUT SOMETHING ONA LOT ILLEGALLY AND WANTED TO REPLACE IT, THERE IS NO

VALID BUILDING PERMIT? >> THAT IS CORRECT.

>> OKAY. WOULD THIS ACCOMMODATE , AND I ASSUME THESE ARE ALL LOCKS ON RECORD THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT?

>> YES. BUT THERE'S ALSO THE INSTANCE WHERE THEY SPLIT A LOT AND THEY HAVE BEEN ISSUED A BUILDING PERMIT EVEN THOUGH THEY HAVE SPLIT THE LOT, AND MAYBE IT IS NOT MEETING OUR CODE, BUT THEY HAVE BEEN ISSUED A VALID BUILDING PERMIT.

>> WHEN HE ISSUED THE PERMIT, THE LOT WAS OKAY, AND THEY CUT

PART OF IT OFF? >> AND IF ANOTHER BUILDING PERMIT -- SO, OFTEN THESE LOTS GETS SPLIT AND NOT THROUGH OUR OFFICE. THEY MIGHT BE THROUGH THE PROPERTY APPRAISERS. THEY ARE NOT ZONING EXPERTS. IS NOT THE RESPONSIBILITY TO CHECK THIS. THE PROPERTY OWNERS CAN SPLIT DOWN THERE. IF A BUILDING PERMIT WERE ISSUED ON THAT PARCEL IN THE PAST , THAT IS WHY IN PART THE STATE IS ON THERE TO STATE THAT IT IS, YOU KNOW, FROM THIS DAY FORWARD, WE ARE NOT DOING THIS ANYMORE.

>> I THINK I'M STILL TRYING TO FOLLOW THAT. JUST AS AN EXAMPLE, IF I HAD A ONE ACRE LOT THAT HAD A HOUSE ON IT, A SINGLE HOME, AND I SPLIT IT IN HALF, ARE WE SAYING THAT THAT HALF THAT I COULD AWAY THAT HAS A BUILDING ON IT WOULD NOW BE

BUILDABLE? >> NO.

>> NO, IT WOULD NOT. JUST THE ONE THAT HAS A STRUCTURE?

>> CORRECT. IF YOU ARE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE WERE TO CATCH ON FIRE, OR BECOMES A DILAPIDATED THAT IT CANNOT BE LIVED IN ,

THIS IS THE REPLACEMENT. >> THAT LEADS TO THE NEXT QUESTION I HAD. I DON'T THINK WE WILL SEE A LOT OF IT, BUT THIS WOULD ALLOW SOMEONE -- THERE IS A PERSON WITH A VERY RUNDOWN STRUCTURE ON IT THAT IS NONCONFORMING , BUT WAS THERE WITH A BUILDING PERMIT AT THE TIME. THEY COULD BUY THAT, KNOCK THE BUILDING DOWN, AND PUT A NEW STRUCTURE ON IT.

>> CORRECT. >> OKAY. AND THEN ONE OTHER THING, THIS IS JUST A SITUATION I AM AWARE OF, AND I WANT TO

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ONE? >> IN THAT CASE, THEY WOULD NOT BE -- THEY WOULD BE ALLOWED TO REPLACE THE ONE .

>> THEY COULD REPLACE IT WITH SOMETHING MUCH LARGER IF THEY

WANTED TO? >> CORRECT. BUT THEY SOUGHT TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE SETBACKS IN THE MAXIMUM LOT COVERAGE.

THEY CAN'T EXCEED THOSE. SO, THAT IS STILL LIMITING THEM.

>> OKAY. BECAUSE I KNOW WHERE THIS POLICY CAME FROM. WE HAD A PROBLEM YEARS AGO THAT PEOPLE PARTICULARLY WITH MOBILE HOMES OR SMALL HOMES, THEY WOULD BURN DOWN , AND WE WOULD NOT EVEN ISSUE THEM A BUILDING PERMIT TO REBUILD ON IT. AND THAT IS WHEN

THIS WAS PUT IN PLACE. >> ARE THERE OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? COMMISSIONER DAVIS?

>> WOULD THERE BE A SITUATION, YOU STATED IT, LET'S SAY WE ARE NOT BUILDING IT. SO, WOULD THERE BE A SITUATION WHERE THE DOUBLE WIDE WOULD PUT IT IN A SITUATION WHERE THEY WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO MEET SAID MAX AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE IN THE

NEW CODE? >> POSSIBLY .

>> AND THEY WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO REPLACE IT?

>> CORRECT. IN THAT CASE, YOU KNOW, THEY WOULD HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO A STICK BUILT HOME THAT WAS MORE CONSISTENT , BUT OF COURSE, THAT IS MORE CONSISTENT.

>> OKAY, THANK YOU. >> OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? ALL RIGHT. AT THIS TIME, I AM GOING TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. I DO NOT HAVE ANY COMMENT CARDS ON THIS ITEM, BUT I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. IS THERE ANYONE PRESENT WHO WISHES TO MAKE A COMMENT ON THIS ITEM? I AM SEEING NO ONE COME FORWARD. I'M GOING TO CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT AND BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMISSION FOR A

MOTION AND A DISCUSSION. >> A MOVE FOR APPROVAL OVER

STAFF RECOMMENDATION. >> SECOND.

>> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. IS THERE ANY

DISCUSSION? >> YES. I WANT TO MAKE ONE COMMENT THAT MADE ME THINK OF IT WITH COMMISSIONER DAVIS.

MAYBE WE SHOULD THINK ABOUT ALLOWING THE SITUATION THAT HE MENTIONED WHERE THEY COULD NOT EVEN GET SOMETHING. YOU KNOW, THE WHOLE OBJECT OF THIS WAS TO ALLOW SOMEONE WHO OWNED A PERSONAL TO BE ABLE TO STAY ON THAT PARCEL. IT IF WE ARE CREATING ANYTHING THAT WOULD PRECLUDE SOMEONE FROM DOING THAT, THEN WE NEED TO CARVE SOMETHING IN THERE . WE DON'T NEED TO DO IT RIGHT NOW, BUT WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT THAT MAYBE BEFORE THE BCC MEETING. WE JUST DON'T WANT TO PUT ANYONE INTO A POSITION WHERE THEY CAN'T REBUILD.

>> THANK YOU. ARE THERE OTHER COMMENTS OR ARE WE READY TO CALL THE QUESTION? ALL OF THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE?

[2.  Public Hearing to Consider PUD 24-0006. (District 1, Comm. Sgromolo) (J. Bryla)]

>> AYE. >> AYE.

>> AYE. >> ANY OPPOSED, SAME SIGN? MOTION CARRIES. ITEM NUMBER TWO ON THE AGENDA IS A PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER PUD 24-0006, PRESENTED BY JENNY,

THE ZONING CHIEF. >> EXCUSE ME. GOOD EVENING. YOU WILL RECALL THAT THIS WAS SLATED FOR A NOVEMBER PUBLIC HEARING , AND IT WAS CONTINUED BY THIS BOARD TO TONIGHT. THIS IS PUD 24-0006 . THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS LOCATED IN THE SOUTHSIDE OF OLD HART ROAD , AND WEST OF CATTLE GAP LANE.

THIS IS IN COMMISSION DISTRICTS NUMBER ONE, AND IT TOTALS APPROXIMATELY 62.64 ACRES. THE APPLICANT WOULD LIKE TO CONSTRUCT APPROXIMATELY 156 SINGLE-FAMILY DETACHED RESIDENTIAL UNITS , ALONG WITH SOME AMENITIES FOR THE PROJECT.

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>> LAKE SHORE. >> LAKE SHORE. I KNEW IT WAS LAKE, BUT I DID NOT KNOW THE LAST WORD. THANK YOU SO MUCH, RICHARD. SO, THE APPLICAT PROVIDED AN INITIAL SITE PLAN FOR THE PROJECT , AND IT WAS RECEIVED IN A NEGATIVE WAY BY STAFF AND THE PUBLIC. SO, THEY HAVE WORKED DURING THIS TIME PERIOD , AND RESUBMITTED A SITE PLAN THAT INCORPORATES SEVERAL OF THE SUGGESTIONS THAT STAFF AND THE PUBLIC HAVE MADE. BUT FROM A ZONING PERSPECTIVE, WE LOOK AT THE DENSITY OF THE OVERALL PROJECT, WHICH IS LESS THAN THREE UNITS PER ACRE , WE LOOK AT THE AMENITIES PROVIDED . THEY HAVE PROVIDED ENHANCED IMPROVEMENTS ON OLD HARD ROAD, AS WELL AS ENHANCED LANDSCAPING. THEY HAVE PROVIDED DESCRIPTIONS ON HOW THE STORM WATER AN ADDITIONAL IMPROVEMENTS FOR THE AMENITIES WOULD ENHANCE THIS AREA AND THE SUBDIVISION , SO, BECAUSE OF THE CRITERIA IN THE PUD , WE ARE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL FOR THIS REQUEST FOR PUD 24-0006. HAPPY TO TRY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE.

>> QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION AT THIS POINT?

>> JUST A QUICK QUESTION. >> YES, SIR?

>> THE PLAN IMPROVEMENTS, YOU HAVE A TIMELINE ON IT?

>> WELL, THEY WOULD NEED TO BE IN PLACE FOR THE APPROVAL OF THE PUD. SO, WHEN THEY BUILD THE PROJECT, THEY WOULD HAVE TO BE IN PLACE. YOU MEAN THE ROADWAY IMPROVEMENTS? YES, SIR, THEY WOULD HAVE TO BE THERE FOR THE RESIDENCE.

>> THANK YOU. >> I HAVE A FOLLOW-UP QUESTION, PLEASE? SO, THE TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENTS, WOULD THEY BE

MADE REGARDLESS? >> THE TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENTS ON OLD HARD AND COUNTY ROAD 220 ARE BEING MADE REGARDLESS. AND THE LIGHT AT LAKE SHORE IS HAPPENING WITH OR WITHOUT THIS

PROJECT. >> MADAM CHAIR, IF I MAY?

>> COMMISSIONER BOURRE? >> I WANTED TO JUST TALK ABOUT OR ASK A QUESTION ABOUT THE PARCEL TO THE WEST. THE DEVELOPED COMMUNITY THAT IS JUST TO THE WEST OF THIS

PARCEL. >> YES?

>> WHAT IS THE DENSITY? >> I BELIEVE THEY ARE RIGHT AT

THREE. >> OKAY.

>> IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE PARCEL TO THE WEST AND THE ONE

ACROSS TO 20 TO THE NORTH. >> OKAY. THANK YOU. THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING. THANK YOU.

>> OTHER QUESTIONS? >>

>> SURE. >> YOU HAVE TO TURN YOUR

MICROPHONE ON, BROTHER. >> OH, I'M SORRY. HAS THE SCHOOL BOARD GIVEN ANY CONSIDERATION TO THE DENSITY THAT WOULD BE AFFECTED BY THIS? AND HOW WOULD THAT AFFECT THE POSSIBILITY OF THE MIDDLE SCHOOL IN THAT AREA?

>> WELL, I HAVE DONE A PLENARY CONCURRENCY ANALYSIS ON THIS DEVELOPMENT , AND THERE IS ENOUGH ROOM TO GRANT THE APPLICANT THE CURRENCY IN THE AREA . FROM THE SCHOOL BOARD STANDPOINT, WE DON'T SEE A PROBLEM MOVING FORWARD WITH OR

APPROVING THIS. >> AND WITHOUT THE MIDDLE SCHOOL? WITH THIS HELP TO PUSH THAT FORWARD A LITTLE BIT? WITH THE NEED OF ANOTHER MIDDLE SCHOOL IN THE AREA?

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>> AT THIS TIME, I WOULD SAY THAT THE NEXT SCHOOL PLAN IS A SENIOR HIGH SCHOOL , AND THAT IS ON TRACK FOR THE NEXT FEW YEARS . BUT IT WOULD NOT ADVANCE ANYTHING IN THIS

PARTICULAR AREA. >> OKAY, THANK YU.

>> OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION AT THIS TIME? IF NOT, I WILL OPEN -- OH, WAIT A MINUTE! THE APPLICANT IS TO SPEAK! SORRY ABOUT THAT. I'M IN A HURRY TO GET TO ALL OF THESE COMMENTS. SO, IF THE APPLICANT WOULD LIKE TO COME FORWARD AND MAKE A PRESENTATION?

>> GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS FRANK MILLER. MY ADDRESS IS ONE INDEPENDENT DRIVE. I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF MIRANDA HOMES , THE DEVELOPER. THIS IS ON A PIECE OF PROPERTY OWNED BY THE PARTRIDGE FAMILY . I WILL RUN THROUGH REAL QUICKLY BECAUSE I KNOW WE HAVE A LOT OF FOLKS WHO WANT TO SPEAK. BUT I JUST WANT TO REITERATE THAT THE LAND-USE ON THIS PARCEL OF PROPERTY IS RURAL FRENCH. THAT LAND-USE CATEGORY IS DESCRIBED AS OR RESERVED FOR LAND , ACCESSIBLE TO EXISTING URBAN SERVICES, AND LOCATED IN AREAS WHERE THE EXTENSION OF CENTRAL WATER AND SEWER CAN BE EASILY PROVIDED. DENSITY IN THIS AREA IS A MAXIMUM OF THREE UNITS PER ACRE, AND A MINIMUM OF ONE UNIT PER ACRE. AND IT MAY ACTUALLY ALSO ALLOW FOR TWO OR FOR THREE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS. ONE OF THE ELEMENTS OF GETTING THE MAXIMUM THREE UNITS TO AN ACRE IS THAT YOU HAVE SATISFIED THE POINTS CRITERIA IN YOUR CODE, AND THE POINTS CRITERIA RELATE TO THINGS LIKE SCHOOLS, FIRE, EMT , SEWER, AND WATER. THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED WITHIN FOUR MILES OF THE PINE AVENUE FIRE STATION. IT'S WITHIN 2 1/2 MILES OF THE BAPTIST HOSPITAL. SO, THERE ARE 20 POINTS. IT'S WITHIN A QUARTER OF A MILE OF 220, WHICH IS AN ARTERIAL ROAD , IT HAS GOT SEWER OR WATER, OR SEWER AND WATER IS AVAILABLE.

SO, THAT'S 50 POINTS. AND THERE ARE NUMEROUS SCHOOL WITHIN 2 1/2 UP TO THREE MILES , WHICH ADS ON ANOTHER 20 POINTS. SO, WHEN YOU ACTUALLY COUNT OUT TO THE POINTS, THE REQUIRED NUMBER OF POINTS FOR GETTING TO THE MAXIMUM OF THREE UNITS TO AN ACRE IS 80 POINTS BY YOUR CODE , AND YOU ACCUMULATE THOSE POINTS AND YOU ARE WELL OVER 100. AND THEN WHAT THE APPLICATION IS FOR IS TO REZONE THE PROPERTY FROM AG RESIDENTIAL TO PUD. IN THE PUD, AS YOU KNOW UNDER YOUR CODE , IS A CATEGORY THAT ALLOWS UNIQUE OR DIFFERENT TYPES OF DEVELOPMENT THAT ARE NOT AVAILABLE UNDER A STRAIGHT ZONING. THE STREET ZONING ADJACENT TO THIS PARCEL TO THE WEST IS RESIDENTIAL D. AND IT HAS GOT THE THREE UNITS TO AN ACRE. IN THIS CASE, WE ARE PROPOSING THREE UNITS TO AN ACRE WITH ENHANCEMENTS FOR LANDSCAPING , WITH SOME OTHER ADDITIONS IN THE PROJECT THAT I WILL HAVE OTHER SPEAK TO ANY MINUTE . BUT WE HAVE MET THE GOAL OF THE PUD, WHICH IN YOUR ORDINANCE, PROVIDES THAT IT IS TO ENCOURAGE FLEXIBLE AND CREATIVE CONCEPTS OF SITE PLANNING , PRESERVING SOME NATURAL AMENITIES , AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, PROVIDES FOR THE EFFICIENT USE OF LAND RESULTING IN SMALLER NETWORKS OF UTILITIES , AND THEREBY LOWERING DEVELOPMENT AND HOUSING COSTS. SO, WE BELIEVE THAT THE APPLICATION , THE WRITTEN DESCRIPTION, AND THE SITE PLAN SATISFY THE LAND-USE CATEGORY AND THE ZONING CODE. AND I WILL LET SOME FOLKS FROM THE DEVELOPER SPEAK NOW TO KIND OF WALK YOU THROUGH HOW WE GOT

HERE. >> GOOD EVENING, MADAM CHAIR AND COMMISSION. ALEX, 661 BLACKBIRD DRIVE, FLORIDA,

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THIS COMMITMENT IS TO ENSURE THAT OUR PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT STANDS UP TO THE REPUTATION AND THE PRESTIGE OF FLEMING ISLAND.

SO, WE PUT SOME THINGS IN THERE SUCH AS NOT REPEATING FLOOR ELEVATIONS EVERY THIRD HOME , OR DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET .

THINGS OF THAT NATURE. WE ALSO RECEIVED A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL FROM THE FLEMING ISLANDS ADVISORY COMMITTEE.

COMMISSIONER DAVIS HAD REQUESTED THAT WE MET WITH THE CAC AGAIN ONCE AGAIN. THROUGH STAFF, WE WERE NOT ABLE TO GET ANOTHER MEETING WITH THEM. I DON'T KNOW IF THE WINDOW IS TOO SMALL OR THEY WERE NOT ABLE TO GET ENOUGH FOR QUORUM, BUT WE WERE NOT ABLE TO MEET WITH THEM. WE DID ATTEMPT TO AND WEREN'T SUCCESSFUL. IN COLLABORATION WITH THE PLANNING STAFF, WE SEEK TO FURTHER ENHANCE AND SEEK THE CONVENTIONAL ZONING DISTRICT, AND WHAT WE DID WAS WE COMMITTED TO ELIMINATING ALL DEVELOPMENT FROM THE FLOOD ZONE. THERE WILL BE NO LOTS WITHIN THE FLOOD ZONE . THIS SHOULD ASSIST WITH RAINFALL PERCOLATION AND FLOOD RISK. WE ALSO INCREASE RECREATIONAL AMENITIES AND EXCEEDED STORMWATER MANAGEMENT REQUIREMENTS. WE SURPASS THE MINIMUM LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENTS. WE ARE INCORPORATING A 20 FOOT LANDSCAPE COUPLE MITRITA BUFFER AROUND THE PERIMETER OF THE SITE. AS YOU KNOW, THERE IS A REQUIREMENT TO DO A BUFFER IF YOU ARE DOING RESIDENTIAL, BUDDING, COMMERCIAL, OR SOME OTHER USE, BUT THERE IS NO REQUIREMENT, THERE IS NO ORIENTED REQUIREMENT TO PUT A BUFFER WHEN YOU ARE A BUDDING RESIDENTIAL TO RESIDENTIAL.

WHETHER THAT IS REQUIRED OR NOT, WE ARE PROPOSING TO PUT IT ON FOOT LANDSCAPE BUFFER AROUND THE ENTIRE PERIMETER , AS WELL AS A LOW LAND BERM, AND THEN WE ARE ALSO GOING TO EXCEED THE LANDSCAPE REQUIREMENTS OF ONE TREE EVERY 50 FEET. RATHER, WE WILL DO ONE FEET TREE EVERY 30 FEET, ALMOST DOUBLING THE AMOUNT OF TREES THAT WE WILL BE PUTTING WITHIN THAT LANDSCAPE BUFFER. ADDITIONALLY, WE WILL BE DEVELOPING A PUBLIC SIDEWALK ALONG THE ENTIRE FRONTAGE OF FLEMING ISLAND PRESERVE , COMPLETE WITH A CROSSWALK AND FLASHING RAPID BEACON FOR PEDESTRIAN SAFETY. THIS INITIATIVE WILL INVOLVE SIGNIFICANT SHOULDER IMPROVEMENTS. WE HAVE HEARD FROM SOME OF THE RESIDENTS OF THERE ARE ZERO SHOULDER ON OLD HARD ROADS, SO AT ANY MOMENT WHERE THERE IS SOME SORT OF EVENT WHERE EMERGENCY VEHICLES NEED TO GET BY, FOLKS CANNOT PULL OFF TO ALLOW THEM BY, AND EMERGENCY VEHICLES DON'T HAVE A SHOULDER TO GO AROUND THEM. HOPEFULLY IN FRONT OF OUR DEVELOPMENT , THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE PUBLIC SIDEWALK , WE WILL ALSO BE PUTTING ANY DECELERATION LANE AND A RIGHT TURN LANE , AS WELL AS A CENTER LEFT TURN LANE IN. HOPEFULLY WITH THIS WILL DO IS WIDEN THE ROAD, IMPROVE THE SHOULDER, FILL IN THAT SWALE, BUT AS AN COVERTS, AND PUT IT WHERE THERE IS ACTUAL SOLID GROUND FOR FOLKS TO PULL OFF AND ALLOW VEHICLES BY. ADDRESSING TRAFFIC CONCERNS, WE UNDERSTAND THAT THE PRIMARY CONCERN AMONG THE COMMISSIONERS IN THE RESIDENCE IS THE POTENTIAL EXACERBATION OF THE CURRENT TRAFFIC ISSUES IN THIS AREA. IS ESSENTIAL TO HIGHLIGHT THAT OWED OLD HARD ROAD EXPERIENCES THESE TRAFFIC ISSUES , AND IT IS PARTICULARLY DUE TO THE CHARTER SCHOOL THAT IS AT THE STREET FROM IT. SO, WE ARE EXPERIENCING THESE TRAFFIC ISSUES TYPICALLY BETWEEN THE PEAK HOURS WITH DROP OFF AND PICK UP FROM THE SCHOOL, AND THIS OCCURS 150 DAYS OUT OF THE YEAR. I BELIEVE MS. CARSON DID TOUCH ON THIS. THERE ARE PLANS IN PLACE WITH THE COUNTY AND WITH AFT OUGHT TO MAKE IMPROVEMENT IS TO THE

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HOPEFULLY WHAT THAT WILL DO IS DETER PEOPLE FROM WANTING TO USE THAT ROAD. THEY WILL HAVE TO GO OUT OF THEIR WAY TO GET TO IT. SO, IT SOUNDS LIKE THE COUNTY IS A WAY WELL UNDERWAY FOR COMING UP WITH IMPROVEMENTS FOR THAT. TO MITIGATE THESE TRAFFIC CONCERNS, SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENTS ARE PLANNED FOR THE INTERSECTION OF 220. I JUST WENT OVER THAT. OUR COMMITMENT, WE ARE COMMITTED TO BEING PART OF THE SOLUTION, AND I TRULY MEAN THAT. I HAVE SAID THAT FROM DAY ONE. THIS IS A SITUATION WHERE IT IS IN OUR BEST INTEREST TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR COMMUNITY FUNCTIONS WELL, THE SURROUNDINGS FUNCTION WELL , FOLKS WHO ARE NEIGHBORING LIKE OUR COMMUNITY, AND THEY TRIED TO PULL IN THEIR FAMILY TO CONSIDER PURCHASING A HOME HERE. IT IS OUR BEST INTEREST TO BE INVOLVED IN THE SOLUTION OF THIS. IF WE ARE NECESSARY, WE ARE WILLING TO COLLABORATE WITH THE COUNTY TO A MOMENT ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC CALMING MEASURES. FLEMING ISLAND PRESERVE EMPHASIZES SAFETY AND ACCESSIBILITY , AND WE ARE DEDICATED TO ENHANCING TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT STRATEGIES, INCLUDING THE INSTALLATION OF IF THE COUNTY WERE TO SEE FIT, A CROSSWALK, ACROSS OLD HARD ROAD WITH FLASHING BEACONS, AS WELL AS OTHER TRAFFIC CALMING MEASURES LIKE SPEED BUMPS , THREE-WAY STOPS, WHATEVER IT MAY BE, WE ARE WILLING TO CONSIDER THAT AND WE WOULD WELCOME THAT AS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL. THE STAFF REPORT CONFIRMS THAT OUR PROPOSAL ALIGNS WITH THE RURAL FRENCH LAND USE DESIGNATION, PERMITTING A MINIMUM OF ONE DWELLING UNIT PER NET ACRE AND A MAXIMUM OF THREE DWELLING UNITS PER NET ACRE. AND THEN ON TOP OF THAT, THERE IS AN ALLOWANCE FOR UP TO SEVEN UNITS PER NET ACRE WITH CERTAIN HOUSING REQUIREMENTS , SUCH AS AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND SENIOR HOUSING. THIS COMPATIBILITY WITH ZONING IS CRUCIAL TO MISTREATING THE APPROPRIATENESS OF THIS PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT.

CONSISTENCY WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THIS REZONING APPLICATION IS CONSISTENT WITH THE CLAY COUNTY 2040 COPPERHEADS OF PLAN, WHICH SUPPORTS CURBING URBAN SPRAWL WITH STRATEGIC REDEVELOPMENT NEAR COUNTY ROAD 220, A MAJOR TRANSPORTATION CORRIDOR. WITHIN HOUSING OBJECTIVE ONE POINT ONE AND HOUSING POLICY ONE POINT ONE POINT ONE EMPHASIZES THE NEED FOR APPROPRIATE LAND-USE CATEGORIES AND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS THAT ACCOMMODATE A DIVERSE ALL RIGHT OF HOUSING TYPES AND VALUES. OUR PROPOSED PUD IS INTENTIONALLY LOCATED NEAR THE TRANSPORTATION OF THE STRUCTURE. THE PLANNING STAFF ANALYSIS ALSO INDICATES A SIGNIFICANT DEMAND FOR SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THIS AREA.

THIS IS WITHIN THE URBAN SERVICES AREA , THE AR ZONING LIMITS THE ABILITY TO ADDRESS THE COMMAND . THE PROPOSED FLEMING ISLAND PRESERVED PROVIDE ESSENTIAL HOUSING OPTIONS AND CONTRIBUTE TO LOCAL ECONOMIES FOR JOB CREATION DURING CONSTRUCTION AND WELL BEYOND. THE STAFF REPORTS HIGHLIGHTS -- TO REPAIR THE STAFF REPORT HIGHLIGHTS THAT OUR PROJECT WOULD DIRECTLY SUPPORT THE COUNTY'S GOAL OF OPTIMIZING LAND-USE AND ENHANCING SERVICE DELIVERY , FOR THE SUBSTANTIATING OUR CASE FOR THE REZONING. WE ARE DEDICATED TO DEVELOPING A COMMUNITY WITH THE STANDARDS OUTLINED IN THE ZONING REGULATIONS. FLEMING ISLAND PRESERVE WILL EMPHASIZE THE SAMPLE PRACTICES IN ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY. I TOUCHED A LITTLE BIT EARLIER.

OUR LANDSCAPE PLAN WILL SURPASS ALUMINUM REQUIREMENT WITH ONE TREE EVERY 36 WITH ONE TREE EVERY 50 FEET. WE FURTHERMORE, WE ARE PRESERVING FIVE ACRES OF THE FLOOD ZONE. YOU GUYS KNOW YOU CAN BUILD WITH IN A FLOOD ZONE. YOU HAVE TO ELEVATE IT OUTSIDE OF THE FLOOD ZONE, BUT YOU CAN. WE ARE DECIDING TO BLOW A LOT OF THE FLOOD ZONE COMPLETELY AND THIS IS FROM HEARING SOME HEARTFELT STORIES FROM OUR NEIGHBORS TO THE SOUTHEAST. THEY EXPERIENCED SOME SEVERE FLOODING, SO WE ARE HOPING THAT BY KEEPING THAT LAND PERMEABLE , BUT ALSO MAKING A MULTIPURPOSE, WE WILL TURN IT INTO A DOG PARK , SOME PASSIVE RECREATION LIKE A SOCCER OR FOOTBALL FIELD .

HOPEFULLY WHAT THAT WILL DO WILL HELP WITH RAINFALL PERCOLATION , NOT CAUSE OR EXACERBATE ANY FLOODING ISSUES

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ADDITIONALLY, THE COUNTY'S ONGOING IMPROVEMENT TO THE INTERSECTION OF OLD HARD ROAD WILL ADDRESS THE SAFETY CONCERNS AND ENHANCING ACCESSIBILITY, COMBINED WITH THE MOBILITY THAT WILL TRULY HELP WITH A LOT OF THAT SCHOOL TRAFFIC . THIS WILL SIGNIFICANTLY REDUCE THE CUT THROUGH TRAFFIC ON OLD HARD ROAD, ENSURING A SAFER ENVIRONMENT. IN CONCLUSION, THE REQUESTED REZONING FOR FLEMING ISLAND PRESERVE IS FIRMLY SUPPORTED BY COMPETENT AND SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE REGARDING HIS COMPATIBILITY WITH SURROUNDING LAND USES, ALIGNMENT WITH THE CLAY COUNTY COPPERHEADS OF PLAN , AND ITS POTENTIAL TO ADDRESS CRITICAL HOUSING DEMAND IN THE AREA. MAINTAINING THE CURRENT ZONING IS NOT A REASONABLE COURSE OF ACTION. YOU SEE, TO OUR WEST, WE HAVE RESIDENT B. WE ALSO HAVE PUD TO OUR SOUTH. THERE WERE ONLY A FEW REMAINING AGRICULTURAL RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICTS WITHIN THIS CORE . SOME OF DONUT HOLE IS THE WAY I AM LOOKING AT IT. SO, MAINTAINING THE CURRENT REZONING IS ON A MINIMUM COURSE OF ACTION. IT HINDERS THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE OF THESE PARCELS IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE GOALS OF THE COUNTY, AND HE ESTABLISHED COPPERHEADS OF PLAN, AND AS WE STRIVE TO MEET THE NEEDS OF OUR GROWING COMMUNITY, WE EMBRACE RESPONSIBLE DEVELOPMENT THAT BALANCES GROWTH WITH ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDSHIP. SO, WITH THAT, I THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION, AND I WILL STAND BY FOR QUESTIONS. THANK YOU SO MUCH.

>> ARE READY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PUBLIC HEARINGS?

>> ONE QUESTION. >> EXCUSE ME. ONE QUESTION FOR

MR. MILLER? >> THE CURRENT SPEAKER.

>> OKAY. >> YOU MENTIONED WIDENING OF OLD HARD ROAD. WAS IT ONLY IN THE SECTION OF THE ROAD IN

FRONT OF YOUR BUILDING? >> YES, SIR. I WOULD JUST BE IN FRONT OF OUR DEVELOPMENT FOR THE SIDEWALK, THE DECELERATION

LANE, AND THE RIGHT TURN LANE. >> THAT DOES NOT IMPACT

ANYTHING ELSE? >> NO, SIR.

>> OKAY, THANK YOU. >> ANY OTHERS? THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. >> AT THIS TIME, I AM GOING TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. WE DO HAVE QUITE A FEW COMMENT CARDS, AND WE WILL BEGIN WITH PATTY WATSON. WHEN YOU COME UP TO THE PODIUM, PLEASE GIVE YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS , AND PROCEED WITH YOUR COMMENTS. AND THE PERSON I WILL CALL AFTER MISS WATSON IS I BELIEVE IT IS TROY PAT , JUST TO LET YOU KNOW THAT YOU WOULD BE NEXT. THANK YOU. GO AHEAD AND GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND PROCEED WITH YOUR COMMENTS.

>> I AM PATTY WATSON. I LIVE AT 224 OLD HARD ROAD. I HAVE LIVED THERE FOR 42 YEARS. MY HUSBAND'S FAMILY HAS LIVED THERE EVEN LONGER . AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, WE HAVE SEEN TOTAL CHANGE , AND NOT TO THE GOOD. WE USED TO BE ON A DEAD-END DIRT ROAD , AND NOW IT IS A MAJOR THOROUGHFARE. WE CAN'T EVEN SIT OUT IN THE YARD BASICALLY WITH OUT CARS USING IT AS A RACEWAY. SO, WE DON'T NEED 160+ NEW HOUSES OUT THERE.

I CAN ONLY BUILD ONE HOUSE PER ACRE BASED ON MY CURRENT ZONING , AND I THINK THAT'S THE SAME THAT SHOULD HAPPEN WITH THIS LAND. I THINK SHE SHOULD BE ABLE TO PUT THREE HOUSES ON ONE ACRE. WE CAN'T HANDLE MUCH MORE OUT THERE. IT IS PACKED TO THE MAX IN MY OPINION. THAT'S ALL I REALLY WANTED TO SAY.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >> THANK YOU, MISS WATSON. MR. PAT IS NEXT. FOLLOWING MR. PAT WOULD BE MR. MIKE WILLIAMSON.

>> THANK YOU. TROY PATTON, 1964 CATTLE GAP LANE. I'M ONE OF THE NEIGHBORS TO THE SOUTH. YOU REMEMBER THAT THE LAST TIME WE WERE TAKEN DOWN THE ROUTE OF TALKING ABOUT MY GRANDFATHER .

HE WAS ALMOST FARM FRIENDS WITH MR. PARTRIDGE. AND I DO STILL REMEMBER THOSE DAYS. IN THOSE DAYS USED TO BE THE DAYS OF A HANDSHAKE , WERE YOU COULD TRUST A PERSON WHO WOULD BE

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HER JUST A SECOND AGO ABOUT MAYBE TALKING TO THE FOLKS OF THE SOUTHEAST ABOUT HELPING OUT WITH OUR FLOODING SITUATION.

I'M ALSO AN ENGINEER. HE DID SOME QUICK MATH. THAT'S 230, 240 GALLONS PER MINUTE. WE ARE NOT SLOPED TO BE ABLE TO TRAIN TO THIS LAND. THIS LAND IS ALREADY ABOVE US. SO, THAT IS A PUMPING STATION . AND THAT IS A PUMPING STATION OF 240 GALLONS PER MINUTE AT A MINIMUM DESIGN. THAT'S NOTHING IN WRITING.

DON'T TAKE ANYTHING THAT YOU HEARD IS A POTENTIAL PROMISE TO CONSIDER THIS AS A CURRENT ZONING. I MENTIONED EARLIER ON ABOUT THE IMPROVEMENTS TO THE ROADWAYS THAT ARE GOING TO BE HAPPENING. THOSE ARE ALSO THINGS THAT ARE IN THE FUTURE.

THIS IS A REZONING THAT DOES NOT TAKE THOSE INTO CONSIDERATION WITH OR WITHOUT THIS. I THINK WE HAVE PROBABLY SEEN SOME IMPACTS TO THE LAKE AS. AREA WHERE THINGS ARE NECESSARILY DESIGNED AT THE TIME FOR THE IMPACTS TO THE AREA. SO AT A MINIMUM, I WOULD RECOMMEND DENYING THIS AT LEAST AT THIS TIME. SEE HOW THINGS CHANGE , THINGS ARE FOR THE BETTER OR FOR THE WORSE. I THINK MANY FOLKS CAN TELL YOU HOW IT'S GOING TO GO. BUT ULTIMATELY, I AM INDEFINITE OPPOSITION TO THIS REZONING. I'M IMMEDIATELY OPPOSING IT RIGHT THIS SECOND. SOME THINGS I WOULD LIKE TO THROW OUT THERE , IN CASE THIS IS FOR SOME REASON EVEN REMOTELY CONSIDERED . FUTURE LAND USE POLICY ONE POINT FOR .4905 , THE DEVELOPMENT SHALL BE LOCATED IN A SUITABLE AREA AWAY FROM ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE LANDS . SUCH ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE LAND MUST BE EXCLUDED FROM CALCULATIONS OF THE SIZE OF THE BASE DEVELOPMENT TRACT, AND EDIFY WHAT WETLANDS WILL BE SUBJECT TO THE CRITERIA ESTABLISHED FOR THE CONSERVATION DESIGNATION FOR THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP. WE ALL KNOW THAT IT HAS GOT DESIGNATED WETLANDS, AND I HAVE EMAILED WITH THE 100 YEAR AND 500 YEAR FLOODPLAIN IS ON THIS. 100 YEARS IS ONLY TECHNICALLY SUPPOSED TO BE WITHDRAWN YOUR 20 ACRES. THIS IS NO MORE THAN A 40 NET ACRE DEVELOPMENTAL TRACK. SO, THAT IS 40 HOMES AT CURRENT AND MAYBE 120 IF IT WAS CONSIDERED FOR REZONING. BUT I WANTED TO THROW ALL OF THAT OUT THERE. SO, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

>> THANK YOU. WE HAVE MR. MIKE WILLIAMSON NEXT, AND FOLLOWING MR. WILLIAMSON, WE HAVE MICHAEL DIAZ.

>> MY NAME IS MIKE WILLIAMSON. I LIVE AT 110 OLD HARD ROAD , 32003. ALL I HAVE TO SAY IS JUST A LOT OF COMMON SENSE THINGS. SUCH AS IF THIS 154, 179 OR WHATEVER MANY HOUSES , I GUESS ALL OF THEM OR SOME OF THEM HAVE KIDS. HOW MANY SCHOOL BUSES DO YOU THINK IS GOING TO RUN UP AND DOWN THE ROAD TO GO PICK THEM UP? HOW MANY PARENTS ARE GOING TO LEAVE THAT PLACE AND GO TAKE THEM TO THE CHARTER SCHOOL? RIGHT NOW, YOU CAN GET UP AND DOWN OLD HARD ROAD BECAUSE OF THE TRAFFIC. IT'S BAD NOT JUST WHEN THE SCHOOLS COME IN OR GO. WE HAVE A LOT OF ELDERLY FOLKS THAT LIVE UP AND DOWN OLD HARD ROAD. IF YOU CAN'T GET AN EMERGENCY VEHICLE TO THEM , HOW ARE YOU GOING TO TREAT THEM? IT'S JUST A MATTER OF TIME. IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.

WHOSE SHOULDERS ARE NOT GOING TO FALL ON? I'M GOING TO FEEL REAL BAD ABOUT IT, BUT IS EVERYBODY ELSE GOING TO FEEL REAL BAD ABOUT IT? I HAVE A NEIGHBOR THAT IS 90 YEARS OLD.

SHE'S IN THE HOSPITAL RIGHT NOW, BUT SHE IS COMING HOME. IF SOMETHING WAS TO HAPPEN WHILE SCHOOL IS GOING ON AND PEOPLE ARE PICKING UP THEIR KIDS, I THINK THE CHARTER SCHOOL SITUATION -- I LIKE CHARTER SCHOOLS, BUT WHOEVER APPROVED THAT SITUATION PROBABLY NEEDS TO GO BACK AND CHECK TO SEE WHAT WAS GOING ON DURING THAT PERIOD OF TIME. BECAUSE THAT AIN'T A GOOD SITUATION. EXCUSE MY NOT GOOD ENGLISH. BUT I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT THERE ARE FOLKS THAT LIVE OFF OF AND ON OLD HARD ROAD THAT ARE TOTALLY AGAINST ANY MORE BUILDING,

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ANYWAYS, HOW MANY PEOPLE -- >> EXCUSE ME, FOLKS! COMMENTS MUST BE DIRECTED TO THE COMMISSION . THANK YU. NO COMMENTS ALLOWED AS WE PROCEED UNLESS YOU ARE ONE OF THE SPEAKERS. IS MR. DIAZ HERE? FOLLOWING MR. DIAZ, WE HAVE

ESTHER MATTHEW CUNNINGHAM. >> GOOD EVENING, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO TAKE THE TIME OUT TO SPEAK TO YOU. THIS IS THE FIRST TIME IN 12 1/2 YEARS I HAVE BEEN BACK HOME IN FLORIDA. I ENLISTED IN THE NAVY IN 2009. I CAME BACK HOME AFTER DOING A TOUR OF AFGHANISTAN THING I WOULD NEVER COME BACK HOME. WITH EVERYTHING WAS TAKEN ROM ME, THAT ONE THING I REALLY WANTED WAS TO COME BACK HOME. EVERYTHING HAS CHANGED SINCE I HAVE BEEN BACK HERE.

EVERYTHING I WANTED TO SHARE WITH MY DAUGHTER IS NOW GONE.

ANIMALS THAT WAS USED TO LIVE HERE THAT I WAS FREE TO SHARE A MOMENT WITH MY DAUGHTER TO SHOW THIS IS WHAT THIS CREATURE CAN DO THIS IS WHAT GIVES US. IT'S NOW GONE. ON THE MARINE CORPS INSTALLATION, 500 YARDS OUT, WE HAVE TO STOP EVERYTHING THAT WE ARE DOING BECAUSE A PACK OF BUFFALO . THAT'S 500 YARDS.

AND 62.64 ACRES. HOW MANY ANIMALS DO YOU THINK ARE ON THAT? SO, I DID A LITTLE BIT OF MY OWN DIGGING. I CALLED A CONSTRUCTION COMPANY EARLIER THIS MORNING AND ASKED IF I HAD LAND THAT NEEDED TO BE CLEARER , AND THERE WAS WILDLIFE THAT NEEDS TO BE RELOCATED , HOW DO I GO ABOUT THAT? GENTLEMAN LOOKED AT ME AND SAID YOU NEED TO GO AHEAD -- WELL, HE TOLD ME HE NEEDS ME TO REACH OUT TO FLORIDA WILDLIFE AND FISH, THEY WILL GO OUT AND INSPECT THE AREA , THEY WILL GET 70 DOWN FROM FLORIDA STATE UNIVERSITY TO GIVE SOME KIND OF A STUDY ON THE AREA, OR, YOU CAN GO ABOUT IT THEIR WAY. COMPLETELY DEMOLISH THE WOODS AROUND THERE , AND ASK FOR FORGIVENESS LATER ON. THAT IS WHAT WAS TOLD TO ME. NOW, TO MY UNDERSTANDING, WE HAVE BLACK BEAR , RED TAILED FOX , A BUNCH OF RACCOONS, GATORS , AND EVERYBODY LOVES AND FEAR FOR HIS ON THESE CONSTRUCTION SITES ARE BOX TURTLES. TO MY UNDERSTANDING, IF YOU KILL A BOX TURTLE ON THE CONSTRUCTION SITE, THE $5000.00 FOR A FINE, AND THEN $100,000.00 AND EGG DESTROYED.

CAN YOU IMAGINE 70 NOT REALLY CARING ABOUT THE AREA THAT THEY ARE ACTUALLY WANTING TO BUILD ON? JUST TO MAKE HOUSES. HOUSES THAT PEOPLE CAN USE ON THAT EXTRA ACREAGE TO MAKE FOOD FOR THEIR FAMILY. TO ALLOW THE BIRDS TO COME OVER AND ACTUALLY HELP OUT WITH GROUNDING. INSECTS AND EVERYTHING ELSE .

I'M SORRY TO SAY, BUT THE HOUSING UNITS I ONCE WORKED FOR DURING THE MILITARY, SUCH AS MIRANDA HOMES IN KB HOMES, WOULD DESTROY IT. THAT BUGS ME TO THE CORE. IT'S ALMOST DISGUSTING. NOW, IF THEY HAVE NO PLACE TO LIVE, WHERE DO YOU THINK THEY'RE GOING TO GO? SURROUNDING AREAS. YOU KNOW? HAVE PEOPLE MAULED BY DIFFERENT ANIMALS , THINGS BEING DESTROYED . THAT IS WHAT DRIVES ME INSANE. IS THAT THEY ARE OKAY WITH THIS. THAT'S MY TWO CENTS. FORGIVE ME. I LIVE IN 4635 KANGAROO STREET, MILFORD, FLORIDA, 20468.

>> THANK YOU, MR. DIAZ. WE HAVE MICHAEL CUNNINGHAM NEXT .

FOLLOWING MR. CUNNINGHAM IS MISS JENNY.

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>> GOOD EVENING. MATTHEW CUNNINGHAM. I LIVE AT 1856 .

I'M ACTUALLY IN THE SUBDIVISION THAT IS IN EAGLE HARBOR RIGHT OFF OF OLD HARD ROAD, AND I AM BETWEEN THE ACADEMY, THE ST. JOHN'S CLASSICAL ACADEMY , AND THE FLEMING ISLAND HIGH SCHOOL, AND I'M JUST GOING TO SAY WHAT EVERYBODY ELSE HAS BEEN SAYING HERE. I WILL PLEAD WITH YOU NOT TO APPROVE THIS, BECAUSE WE CAN'T HANDLE ANY MORE TRAFFIC ON OLD HARD ROAD. YOU CAN'T GET IN AND OUT OF THE SUBDIVISION DURING THESE. THE TRAFFIC LITERALLY BACKS UP BOTH DIRECTIONS ON OLD HARD ROAD. FROM THE ACADEMY, TO THUNDERBOLT. I MEAN, I CAN'T SAY IT ANY BETTER THAN WHATEVER THEY'LL SAID , SO I'M JUST GOING TO SAY I'VE GOT TRAFFIC CONCERNS. HE DID NOT HEAR THESE GENTLEMEN SAY ANYTHING ABOUT HELPING THE PEOPLE . THERE'S A LOT OF HOMES IN THE BLACK CREEK AND EAGLE HARBOR SUBDIVISION. HOW ARE WE GOING TO GET IN AND OUT? HOW ARE WE GOING TO HAVE EMERGENCY ACCESS IF WE NEED IT? I DID NOT HEAR THIS BUILDER ADDRESS ANY CONCERNS ABOUT OUR TRAFFIC SITUATION , SO REALLY, YOU KNOW, I AM PLEADING WITH YOU. I WOULD SUPPORT, LIKE SOME OF THESE OTHER PEOPLE SAID , IF YOU WANT TO PUT ONE HOUSE PER ACRE, THAT IS MORE MANAGEABLE, BUT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT 156 HOMES . A LOT OF FAMILY NOWADAYS ARE MULTIGENERATIONAL. YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT 300 TO 450 CARS TOTAL THAT WILL BE IN THAT SUBDIVISION . I MEAN , HAVE CLAY COUNTY DONE A TRAFFIC STUDY TO SEE IF YOU CAN HANDLE , YOU KNOW, 450 MORE CARS ON OLD HARD ROAD? THAT'S MY CONCERN. DON'T APPROVE IT. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU MR. CUNNINGHAM. NEXT, WE HAVE JENNY. NEXT AND

FOLLOWING HER, ANDREW MARCO. >> MY NAME IS JENNY. I AM AT 2110 BLUE HERON COVE DRIVE HERE TO OPPOSE THE DEVELOPER. THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY FOR ME TO SHARE MY CONCERNS ABOUT THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT. I HAVE LIVED HERE FOR 23 YEARS IN C NICE, NEW HOMES BUILT ALONG OLD HARD ROAD IN A MANNER CONSISTENT WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD WHICH DID NOT IMPACT COMMUNITY OR THE TRAFFIC. MY CONCERN IS THE PROPOSED DENSITY . HOW WILL THE COUNTY AND THE DEVELOPERS ADDRESS THE WEAR AND TEAR ON THE ROAD, THE TRAFFIC CONGESTION, AND THE SAFETY ISSUES? AT A MINIMUM OF ONE .5 CARS PER HOUSEHOLD , THE GENTLE ME BEFORE ME SUGGESTED ABOUT 400. THING AT A MINIMUM 250 ADDITIONAL CARS USING THE ROAD, WILL A CONSTRUCTION OF THE ROAD ITSELF , NOT JUST IN FRONT OF THE DEVELOPMENT, BUT THE ENTIRE ROAD ITSELF, SUSTAIN THE ADDITIONAL HEAVY WEAR AND TEAR OF ALL OF THIS ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC? AS THAT ALREADY, OLD HARD ROAD IS A MAJOR THOROUGHFARE FOR FLEMING ISLAND HIGH SCHOOL . THEY ARE YOUNG INEXPERIENCED DRIVERS. THEY ARE IMPATIENT AND IN A HURRY, AND THEY OFTEN SPEED. I EVEN HAD ONE YOUNG DRIVER PASSED ME ON OLD HARD ROAD, WHICH IS A DOUBLE YELLOW LINE. IT WAS SHOCKING, AND IT WAS VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE SAFETY OF THAT MANEUVER . MORE TRAFFIC WILL INCREASE THE STUDENTS IN PATIENTS IN THE RISKY DRIVING BEHAVIORS , AND MAY LEAD TO MORE ACCIDENTS. AND AS MENTIONED ABOUT THE CHARTER SCHOOL, IF YOU HAVE EVER TRIED TO DRIVE DOWN OLD HARD ROAD DURING THE CLASSICAL ACADEMY'S DISMISSAL TIME , YOU WILL BE ABLE TO DRIVE DOWN THERE. I MADE A MISTAKE OF TRYING TO DRIVE ON OLD HARD ROAD , AND FOUND THAT THE SOUTH AND NORTH BOUND PARENTS TRYING TO PICK UP THEIR STUDENTS AND GET ONTO CANOLA ROAD READ A TOTAL STANDSTILL. I WAS BACKED UP IN TRAFFIC FOR AT LEAST 20 MINUTES AND COULD NOT REACH MY HOME.

THERE'S ALSO THE SAFETY CONCERNS. I APPRECIATE THE MITIGATIONS THAT THE DEVELOPER HAS SUGGESTED , BUT THERE WILL NOT BE ANY WIDER ROAD OR SIDEWALKS FOR THE MAJORITY OF OLD HARD ROAD. RIGHT NOW, PEDESTRIAN AND BIKE SAFETY IS VERY DANGEROUS, BECAUSE IF THERE IS NO SHOULDER AND THE DRIVER IS SPEEDING ALONG THE WAY ON THAT BLIND CURVE THAT EXISTS ON OLD HARD ROAD , IN ADDITION TO THE SAFETY , WE

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DEVELOPING PLANS. >> THANK YOU. NEXT IS ANDREW CUEVAS. IS MARK A PART OF YOUR LAST NAME? ANDREW CUEVAS MARCO? AND THEN FOLLOWING ANDREW CUEVAS MARCO, WE HAVE JAN.

>> THANK YOU. I'M JUST OPPOSED TO THIS. THE POWER GRID, NOBODY MENTIONED IT FILLS AT LEAST ONCE A MONTH IF NOT MORE, AND EVERYBODY CAN ATTEST TO THAT. THE AREA JUST CAN'T HANDLE THE WILDLIFE THAT WILL BE ENDANGERED. THE PROPERTY IS A BIG AREA FOR WILDLIFE , AND THERE IS JUST NOWHERE FOR THEM TO GO. SO, THE WETLANDS IS AS FAR AS THEY CAN GO, AND THAT IS IT. THEY ARE TRAPPED. THESE ARE BIG CONCERNS IN THE AREA. LIKE I SAID, THE SCHOOL OVERCROWDING, THE ROADWAYS, THERE IS NO WAY THIS PROJECT CAN BE SUCH IDENTITY. IT REALLY

NEEDS TO BE ONE HOME PER ACRE. >> I ALSO WANT TO SEE THE OTHER

SIDE OF THE ROAD -- >> YOU MUST IDENTIFY YOURSELF!

>> MARGO. MARGO ARCHER. I LIVE WITH THIS GUY. THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO ME. THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET, WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO ABOUT THAT? IT'S ONE SIDE, ONCE ACTION, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THE PROPERTY NEEDS TO BE DEVELOPED, SO LET'S DEVELOP IT. YOU KNOW? SOME KIND OF THOUGHT PROCESS HERE. I UNDERSTAND THAT MONEY IS THE ISSUE. I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU WANT TO MAKE MONEY, BUT WHAT ABOUT US? AND THERE ARE CATS BACK THERE, THERE ARE TURTLES, YOU WILL. I KNOW I CAN'T STAY LIKE THAT FOREVER, BUT WE DON'T NEED ALL OF THESE BUILDINGS? WHY DO WE HAVE TO BE LIKELY AS BARRY? I CAME FROM KENDALL IN MIAMI. WE WILL BE ANOTHER KENDALL DRIVE , WHERE THE TRAFFIC IS JUST SO BACKED UP AND TAKES SOMETHING THAT SHOULD TAKE FIVE MINUTES TO TAKE AN HOUR TO GET TO. IT'S A BEAUTIFUL COMMUNITY. I WOULD LIKE TO KEEP IT THAT WAY . AND YES, DEVELOP, BUT WITH RESPONSIBILITY. IT'S JUST TOO MUCH. IT'S WAY TOO MUCH, AND THAT SECTION WHERE THEY WILL PUT THE SIDEWALKS, IT'S ALL GOING TO BACK UP. THERE IS SO MUCH POLLUTION ON EACH SIDE BECAUSE OF THEIR TRAFFIC. NO ONE HAS MENTIONED POLLUTION , ALL OF THE GARBAGE BEING THROWN ON THOSE CULVERTS, AND I HAVE CALLED SO MANY TIMES TO REPORT IT , AND MY HUSBAND AND I HAVE JUST DECIDED THAT WE WOULD JUST GO OUT THERE AND START PICKING IT UP. CAN YOU IMAGINE THE POLLUTION THAT IS GOING TO COME THERE? AND THAT WE LIVE IN APPLES INLET WITH A LONG DRIVE, AND ALL OF THE CARS WOULD HAVE

TO GO TO THE SCHOOL -- >> COULD YOU STAND CLOSER TO THE MICROPHONE PLEASE? OR YOU COULD PULL IT UP.

>> I KNOW, I AM GIANT. BUT ALL OF THE CARDS THAT BACK UP TO OUR COMMUNITY FROM THE SCHOOLS , THEY ARE PARKED IN THEY MAKE A MUD RESERVOIR IN OUR COMMUNITY. CAN YOU IMAGINE THE CARS THAT ARE GOING TO BACK UP IN THE COMMUNITY JUST BECAUSE OF THE AMOUNT OF POPULATION THAT IS GOING TO BE PUT INTO THAT AREA? THOSE ARE JUST SOME OF THEM. AND OF COURSE, EVERYTHING THAT WAS POINTED OUT TODAY. PLEASE DON'T DO IT.

THINK ABOUT WHAT WE HAVE AND WHAT WE ARE GOING TO LOSE HERE.

PLEASE. IT'S A LOT OF HOUSES TO SQUISH INTO THESE PROPERTIES. IT'S REALLY SAD. THIS IS WHAT WE ARE BECOMING.

LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE. WE DON'T HAVE TO BE LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE.

PLEASE LET'S NOT BE LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. FOLLOWING CHAN IS

MR. JOHN STANGL. >> I'M GOING TO BRING IT DOWN.

>> YES, MA'AM. >> THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME. I AM JAN SYKES. I LIVE IN 1918. I'M IN THE RIVER SUBDIVISION.

MY CONCERN IS WE ARTY KNOW THE RED LIGHT IS GOING UP, AND THERE WILL BE A RIGHT TURN ONLY ON OLD HARD ROAD. BUT IF YOU'RE DRIVING DOWN OLD HARD ROAD AND YOU NEED TO TAKE A LEFT ONTO 20, WHAT IS YOUR OPTION? YOU ARE GOING TO TAKE A LEFT INTO MY SUBDIVISION. DRIVE DOWN THAT STREET, TAKE A RIGHT , GET TO THAT RED LIGHTS YOU CAN TURN LEFT ONTO 20. ANY IDEA WHAT THAT IS GOING TO DO? DRIVER SUBDIVISION ON LITTLE RIVER DRIVE? YOU ARE FORCING TRAFFIC INTO THAT SUBDIVISION. BY THE WAY, BUS STOP . THAT'S THE BUS STOP FOR TWO BUSES THAT COME

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I KNOW EVERYBODY ELSE IS TALKING ABOUT THE DIVISION.

I'M VERY, VERY CONCERNED , ONCE AGAIN, ABOUT THE TRAFFIC FLOWING THROUGH OUR SUBDIVISION, AND THEY DON'T HAVE A CHOICE . WHAT WOULD YOU DO? IF YOU ARE DRIVING DOWN THERE, YOU WILL TAKE A LEFT AT MY SUBDIVISION TO GET TO THAT RED LIGHT IN ORDER TO TURN LEFT. YOU ARE NOT GOING TO TAKE A RIGHT AND GO TO HOPEFULLY MAKE A U-TURN. WHO KNOWS WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN WITH THAT. BUT PLEASE, PLEASE CONSIDER -- PLEASE TAKE A LOOK AT THAT. IS SERIOUS BUSINESS HERE. IT'S A SAFETY ISSUE. ESPECIALLY IF WE HAVE GOT SCHOOL BUSES COMING IN THERE. IS A SAFETY ISSUE. I DO APPRECIATE YOUR TIME , AND PLEASE TAKE A LOOK INTO THAT. SUBDIVISION. THANK YOU. -

>> THANK YOU. NOW I HAVE MR. JOHN STANGL AND FOLLOWING MR. STANGL, WE HAVE MR. STEVE GRANT.

>> GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS JOHN STANGL. 1856 INDIAN RIVER DRIVE , FLEMING ISLAND FLORIDA, THREES 2003. I LIVE ON THE EXACT CORNER OF COUNTY ROAD 220 AND INDIAN RIVER DRIVE IN THE RIVERBEND NEIGHBORHOOD. WE WILL TALK QUICKLY ABOUT MY INTERSECTION THAT IS, AS OF TODAY, ACTUALLY, HAS STARTED THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE NEW TRAFFIC SIGNALS THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED BY THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION AND IN THE COUNTY. SO, WE ARE EXCITED TO HAVE THAT, BECAUSE HOPEFULLY THAT WILL PREVENT THE ACCIDENT THAT HAVE BEEN OCCURRING AT THAT INTERSECTION , AND THAT IS THE REASON HE WAS PUT IN. IT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH ANY OF THESE PROJECTS, SO WE ARE EXCITED TO SEE THAT IS GOING ON. THERE WAS ALSO MENTIONED THAT THERE IS ANOTHER CONSTRUCTION PROJECT GOING ON AT THE END OF OLD HARD ROAD, AND THAT TOO IS SOMETHING THAT IS BEING DONE WITH THE STATE IN THE COUNTY. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THESE PROJECTS, BUT IT HAS TO DO WITH THE ACTION AND THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE DIED OUT THERE. THEY WILL STOP TURNING LEFT AND EXITING OLD HARD ROAD CAN NO LONGER GO WEST. THAT IS WHAT PEOPLE WERE CROSSING ALL THE WAY ACROSS THE ROAD ARE GETTING HIT. THAT'S PROBABLY A GOOD THING. HOWEVER, THERE IS THE FUTURE WE WILL HAVE TO ADDRESS. EVERYBODY NOW HAS TO GO TO THE RIGHTS, HOW THEY WILL MAKE THE U-TURNS AND REVENUE FIRE STATION IS AND ALL OF THAT. WE LOOK TO YOU DOWN THE ROAD. I DIGRESS, I AM IN UBER DRIVER, AND MIGHT NUMBER MAPS TAKE ME FROM GREEN COVE SPRINGS THROUGH OLD HARD ROAD TO GO TO MIDDLEBURG. OKAY? SO WE HAVE GOT TECHNOLOGY THAT IS STOPPING ALL OF US FROM BEING ABLE TO DO THINGS ALREADY, AND THAT IS A REAL PROBLEM. HAPPENED TO ME THREE TIMES TODAY. I EVEN TOOK A SCREENSHOT OF IT. IF YOU'RE INTERESTED TO SEE, IT'S AN ALTERNATE ROUTE -- ASHLEY, THE MAIN ROUTE. THE ULTIMATE IS TO GO TO 220 AND GO OVER. TECHNOLOGY IS POINTING PEOPLE INTO OUR NEIGHBORHOODS AND BRINGING OR EVEN THOUGH NONE OF US WANTED IT OR PLANTED OR EVEN EXPECTED IT. NOW OLD HARD ROAD WAS OLD HARD ROAD. IT WAS AN OLD, HARD ROAD. IT WAS DIRTY.

IT WAS PAVED. NOBODY EXPECTED TO BE PAVED! AND WHEN THEY GOT PAVED. IT DO NOT LIVE THERE. I LIVE OVER IN FLEMING ISLAND PLANTATION AREA. I WENT BOY, THAT WILL BRING A LOT OF TRAFFIC, AND SURE IT DID. NOW WE HAVE THE PROBLEM WITH THE TRAFFIC THAT IS THERE, BUT LET'S GO BACK. THE PLANNING APARTMENT. YOU'RE THE ONE SERVING THE PLANNING AT THE MIDDLE'S GOING ON. RIGHT NOW, THE ROAD IS AN ISSUE FOR US AND THE BUILDER. THE BUILDER HAS A PROJECT. THEY WANT TO DO THAT AND GET IT DONE AND MAKE THEIR MONEY. HOWEVER, WE HAVE GOT TO DIGRESS VERY LITTLE BIT AND GO BACK TO THESE OTHER DECISIONS ANSWERED ADDRESSING THOSE THINGS . THE DIRT IN THE POLLUTION ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD. IT DOES FOOT ON THE ROAD.

SO, WHEN ARE WE GOING TO DO THAT? OPEN HOUSES THERE, THEY WILL CREATE MORE FLOODING. YOU KNOW, THE DOG PARK, OR WE WANT TO PUT DOG PARKS ALLOWED TO WHERE THERE ARE PUBLIC WATERWAYS? SO THE FECES AND URINE AND ALL OF THE

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SO I'M REALLY AT A LOSS. I HAVE ALL KINDS OF NOTES HERE, AND I'M LOOKING AT ALL THIS. IT'S ALL POPPED UP ALL OF A SUDDEN BECAUSE WE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE NOTIFIED, AND WE ARE NOT BEING NOTIFIED, JUST LIKE AT THE LAST MEETING THAT WAS BEFORE THIS. WE ARE NOT BE NOTIFIED PROPERLY OF THESE MEETINGS. I LEARNED ALL OF THE STUFFING GOT ALL THIS TOGETHER.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, MR. STANGL. NOW, WE HAVE MR. STEVE GRANT . FOLLOWING MR. GRANTS, WE HAVE MISS EMILY PATE. DID YOU HEAR THAT? OKAY. SO, MR. GRANTS?

>> GOOD EVENING, EVERYBODY. MY ADDRESS IS 76 OLD HARD ROAD.

I'M ONE OF THE PROPERTIES THAT IS TOUCHING THIS DEVELOPMENT .

I AM STRONGLY OPPOSED TO THE AMOUNT OF HOMES THEY ARE TRYING TO PUT INTO THIS . JUST REITERATING WHAT EVERYBODY ELSE IS SAYING , I DON'T WANT TO BEAT A DEAD HORSE HERE, BUT A TRAFFIC IS A RIDICULOUS ISSUE RESIDENCE. ALSO CREATING A RED LIGHT WITH A RIGHT TURN ONLY IS GOING TO MAKE IT IMPOSSIBLE FOR ANY OF US TO GET ANYWHERE. WE CAN'T EVEN GET TO DINNER IF THAT IS GOING TO BE THE PROBLEM. I WANT TO TELL YOU TO PLEASE LOOK STRONGLY INTO THIS. I UNDERSTAND AT SOME POINT , THERE WILL HAVE TO BE SOME HOMES ON THIS PROPERTY. THE WAY IT IS OWNED NOW WITH 62 ACRES WITH ONE HOME PER ACRE , THERE IS A DEMAND OUT THERE FOR HOMES THAT HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF LAND WHERE THEY MIGHT BE ABLE TO PUT CHICKENS. I HAVE CHICKENS IN MY BACKYARD. OKAY? SO, SOME OF THESE PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO GROW THEIR OWN FOOD. TO HAVE CHICKENS. TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, TO ACTUALLY UTILIZE THE LAND. IF YOU HAVE A 10 FOOT BACKYARD, YOUR DOG CAN GO TO THE BATHROOM FOR GOD SAKES. THE DENSITY OF THE HOMES IN MY OPINION IS RIDICULOUSLY TOO MUCH. IS GOING TO ADD A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC ALONG WITH EVERYTHING ELSE THAT COMES WITH IT, AND YES, I AM CONCERNED WITH THEM BUILDING RIGHT NEXT TO US , AND WE ARE GOING TO HAVE CONTINUING FLOODING ISSUES. NOW THAT IS GOING TO BE MY PROBLEM. IS GOING TO BE ME AND MY OTHER NEIGHBORS PROBLEMS. OKAY? SOMETHING ALSO WANT TO SAY IS I WOULD THINK THAT SINCE I AM LITERALLY THE ADJACENT PROPERTY THAT I WOULD HAVE GOTTEN A PHONE CALL. I TALKED TO ONE OF MY OTHER NEIGHBORS THIS AFTERNOON WHO GOT A CALL YESTERDAY. HE NEVER CALLED ME! OKAY? I WANT MY OPINION IF I WILL BE THE ADJACENT HOUSE. I WAS NOT CALLED. AND I BELIEVE EVERYTHING THAT YOU HEAR PLEASE TAKE THIS STRONGLY AND PLEASE THINK ABOUT THIS. OKAY? I DON'T THINK THERE IS A SINGLE PERSON BACK HERE THAT IS FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT THE WAY IT IS BEING PRESENTED. AGAIN, MY NAME IS STEVE GRANT, AND I AM STRONGLY OPPOSED OF THIS. THANK YOU FOR HEARING ME.

>> MR. GRANTS, I'M A LITTLE BIT OUT OF ORDER, BUT I WANTED TO ASK YOU A QUESTION. YOU SAID YOU RECEIVED A PHONE CALL. DID

YOU RECEIVE A MAILER? >> NO PHONE CALL, NO MAIL, NO EMAIL, NO NOTHING. NO EFFORT TO COMEDIC IT WITH ME.

>> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. MISS EMILY PATE? AND THEN FOLLOWING THIS PATE IS

MR. JOHN. >> GOOD EVENING. I RESIDE AT 1982 CATTLE GAP LANE ON FLOODING ISLAND. I JUST WANT TO REITERATE SOME THINGS THAT I HAD PUT INTO AN EMAIL . I BELIEVE YOU HAVE RECEIVED IT. IT'S BASICALLY ABOUT PUTTING A LOT OF HIGH DENSITY IN A LOW-DENSITY AREA. I THINK THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES. MANY HAVE BEEN AIRED. EVERYTHING FROM THE TRAFFIC TO SAFETY FOR PEDESTRIANS AND BICYCLISTS, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU GO AROUND THE CURVE , ESPECIALLY AT NIGHT. IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO SEE BICYCLISTS AND PEDESTRIANS. THERE IS AN INCREASE IN FLOOD RISK, I BELIEVE. I'M NOT A DEVELOPER, AND I DON'T STUDY TRAFFIC , BUT I HAVE TO BELIEVE WHEN YOU PUT ON A LOT OF HOUSING , THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME FLOOD RISK TO THE OUTLYING AREAS THAT ARE AROUND IT. I WOULD THINK. ALSO, I WOULD JUST SAY THAT THE WILDLIFE THERE HAS GOT TO GO SOMEWHERE. I KNOW RECENTLY CLAY COUNTY VOTED ON THE LAND CONSERVATION REFERENDUM . MAYBE WE NEED TO CONSIDER THIS AREA AS A STARTING PLACE . I THINK YOU FOR YOUR TIME, AND I HOPE YOU

GOT MY EMAIL, BUT THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. WE HAVE MR. JOHN,

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>> GOOD AFTERNOON. TO KIND OF REITERATE WHAT EVERYONE WAS SAYING, IT IS A LITTLE BIT OF DIGGING. THE AAA FOUNDATION FOR TRAFFIC SAFETY HAS DONE A STUDY, AND EACH AMERICAN DRIVER MAKES APPROXIMATELY 2.44 TRIPS A DAY . A TRIP IS GOING TO BE ON OLD HARD PLACE LEAVING AND COMING BACK. TWO CARS PER HOME . I THOUGHT THINK SOME MAY HAVE THREE AND SOME MAY HAVE ONE .

AT 156 HOMES TIMES TWO DRIVERS TIMES 2.44 FOR EACH RACEWAY IS 1622 TRIPS A DAY . THAT'S 555,000 A YEAR. THAT'S 1 MILLION TRIPS -- OVER ONE .1 MILLION TRIPS OVER A TWO YEAR PERIOD. WOW. THE WAY A ROW THAT CANNOT HANDLE TRAFFIC. LOOKING AT THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT , IT LOOKS VERY BASIC. IT'S NOT CONSISTENT WITH ANYTHING IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD . IF YOU LOOK AT THE HOMES THAT ARE DOWN THE ADJACENT DEVELOPMENTS , JUST LOOK AT THE AREA. LOOK WHAT THEY PROPOSED. IS JUST VERY BASIC AND IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE SURROUNDING AREAS. I DISAGREE WITH THEIR ASSESSMENT THERE. WE TALKED ABOUT THE TRAFFIC, I WILL NOT MENTION THAT. OBVIOUSLY THIS WOULD ADD PEDESTRIANS ON OLD HARD, SO THAT WILL INCREASE POTENTIAL SAFETY ISSUES. YOU KNOW, THE PUBLIC SAFETY, I MENTIONED IT BEFORE. I HAVE KIDS, AND I FEAR FOR THEM GETTING OUT OF THE SIDE OF OUR FRIENDS AND POTENTIALLY BEING HIT BY A VEHICLE. THE SCHOOLS, WE TALKED ABOUT THAT. THEY ARE BEING OVERCROWDED. THE DISBURSEMENT OF WILDLIFE, I HAVE A FOX OF VISITS MY PROPERTY. WE HAVE NAMED HIM MICHAEL J FOX. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WILL HAPPEN TO HIM AFTER THIS DEVELOPMENT, PLEIADES WE KNOW THAT IS NOT YOUR CONCERN. BUT I WOULD SAY THERE IS ABSOLUTELY A DEMAND FOR THIS PROPERTY TO BE DEVELOPED ALONG THE ARE ONE HOUSE PER ACRE. WE BOUGHT PROPERTY THERE. I DID SOME RESEARCH ON ZILLOW DONE TODAY.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE PROPERTIES , THEY ARE, ON AVERGE, UP TWO OR THREE WEEKS, AND THE SOUL. MY NEIGHBOR HAS A HOUSE UP FOR SALE FOR TWO WEEKS, AND IT SOLD. AND THAT IS ONE ACRE AND A HALF RIGHT NEXT TO ME. THIS PROPERTY COULD ABSOLUTELY BE DEVELOPED UNDER THE CURRENT ZONING DESIGNATION THAT THE SUNDAY TO BE REZONED INTO WHATEVER. WE NEED TO MAINTAIN WHAT IT IS NOW. WE HAVE FORM HOMES MORE COMMUNITY LOCATED NEAR THE ISLAND DOWNTOWN, SO THEY WORK DOWNTOWN, BUT THEY DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO LIVE OTHER THINGS. ET CETERA. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. MY TIME IS UP , BUT I STRONGLY OPPOSE THIS AND HOPE YOU VOTE THIS DOWN. THANK YOU.

>> MR. MIKE BURNS, AND FOLLOWING MR. MIKE BURNS, WE HAVE JACKIE WELLS.

>> THE PROBLEM IS THERE IS NO WAY TO INCREASE CAPACITY ON OLD HARD ROAD. THERE IS NO WAY TO WIDEN IT, THERE IS NO AVAILABLE AREA TO DO ANY WIDENING , EVEN IF YOU WANTED TO DO THAT , AND WITH CAPACITY, YOU KNOW, SPEEDING CAPACITY IS DIRECTLY RELATED . THE FASTER YOU GO, THE MORE CAPACITY YOU HAVE BECAUSE THE MORE FEET YOU CAN PUT IN THAT QUARTER. WELL, YOU

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>> THANK YOU, MR. BURNS. WE HAVE JACKIE WELCH NEXT. MS. WELCH? FOLLOWING MS. WELCH IS GIL HICKS.

>> HI. I'M JACKIE WELCH, AND I LIVE AT 1868 SWAN RIVER DRIVE, WHICH IS IN FLEMING RIVERBEND. WHEN THEY MADE THE STOP LIGHT IN THE RIGHT-HAND TURN ON OLD HARD ROAD, THEY DID NOT CONSIDER OUR SUBDIVISION AS A WAY FOR THOSE PEOPLE TO COME THROUGH. WE HAVE BUS STOPS AT THE CORNERS , AND ALL OF THAT CONGESTION THROUGH OUR THEMES, WE WILL NOT BE ABLE TO GET OUT THE TRAFFIC BACKUP. WE WILL NOT BE ABLE TO GET OUT OF OUR DRIVEWAY OR OUR STREETS. SO, I AM OPPOSED.

>> THANK YOU. GIL HICKS. FOLLOWING MR. HICKS IS SHERRY

CHASE. >> MY NAME IS GIL HICKS. IN 1940 5O DRIVE IN FLEMING ISLAND. I LIVED DIRECTLY AT THE CORNER OF OLD HARD ROAD IN LITTLE RIVER DRIVE, WHICH IS ALSO ADJACENT TO WHERE TO 20 IS. I WILL TELL YOU THAT EVERYBODY HERE IS TELLING ME ABOUT TRAFFIC AND EVERYTHING ALONG THOSE LINES. I LIVE ON A PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT NOW I WILL NEVER BE ABLE TO GET OUT OF MY HOME. YOU TALK ABOUT THE FACT THAT THERE ARE TWO TIMES OF PEOPLE DRIVE THROUGH THERE.

THERE ARE PEOPLE UP AND DOWN OLD HARD ROAD ALL DAY LONG. WE NEVER DID, AND I FOUND THAT THIS PRIVATE SCHOOL NEVER HAD A TRAFFIC STUDY EVER DONE THAT FOR SOMEBODY TO COME TO US ANYWAYS. YOU ARE NOW PUTTING UP A LIGHT THAT WILL STOP TRAFFIC ON ONE SIDE BUT WILL CREATE THE RIGHT-HAND TURN THROUGH OUR COMMUNITY BECAUSE THEY ARE LOOKING FOR A WAY TO GET THROUGH. THEY WILL FORCE US THROUGH, THEY COME IN ON TWO WHEELS OFF OF 220, THEY DO THE SAME THING WHEN THEY COME THROUGH OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. I TALKED ABOUT THIS LAST TIME WE WERE HERE. WE NEED TO STEP DOWN, STEP BACK, LOOK AT THE PROPERTY AT WHAT IT WAS INTENDED FOR, ONE HOME PER ACRE . DO NOT LOOK AT THIS OF 159. PLEASE TAKE AN IDEA OF LOOKING AT WHAT THE TRAFFIC STUDY IS , BECAUSE I AM TELLING YOU RIGHT NOW, THERE IS NO WAY THAT SOMEONE APPROVEDTHIS AND THOUGHT IT WAS A GOOD IDEA. THERE'S NO WAY! YOU GUYS HAD TO SIT THERE AND LOOK AT A SINGLE WELL, IT'S ALREADY TIGHT THERE NOW. WHAT IS GOING ON? WERE MAKING THESE DECISIONS? BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY, IF YOU THE CONTINGENCIES THAT YOU HAVE NOW ARE THE ONES WE ARE NOT CONCERNED ABOUT. I'M CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT IS HAPPENING IN THE FUTURE. WE NEED TO TAKE CARE OF THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE THERE NOW.

SOMEONE SAID THE POWER STATION GOES DOWN. ONCE A MONTH WHERE A LITTLE TRICKLE OF RAINFALLS , IT HAS BECOME SUCH A PROBLEM, AND WE ARE NOT TAKING THIS INTO CONSIDERATION. PLEASE. PLEASE DO NOT ALLOW THIS AT THIS TIME FOR SURE , BECAUSE I'M TELLING YOU RIGHT NOW, AND JEN, WHO IS OUR HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION PRESIDENT, SHE DID NOT EVEN BRING UP THE FACT IS IN THE FLOODING AREA! EVERY TIME IT RAINS, IT FLOODS IN THERE. YOU HAD THIS WAS PRESSURE TO IT, IT WILL FLOOD RIGHT BACK TO HER HOME. THESE ARE THINGS THAT I DON'T THINK ANYONE IS TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION, AND I DO HOPE THAT AT THE END OF THE DAY, YOU DENY THIS, AND YOU SAY NO. THAT IS WHERE YOU STAND.

THANK YOU. >> MISS SHERRY CHASE. FOLLOWING MS. CHASE, WE HAVE MR. ANDREW GRIMM.

>> HI, I AM SHERRY CHASE. I AM AT 83 OLD HARD ROAD. I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING WRITTEN. JUST A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT WERE SAID REALLY HAVE POPPED INTO MY HEAD. EVERYTHING EVERYONE SAID, MULTIPLY IT TIMES 100. I HAVE HAD A MIGRAINE. I MEAN, JUST A CONSTANT MIGRAINE TAKING ABOUT ALL OF THIS , BECAUSE OF YOUR COMMITTEE APPROVED IT , SOMEBODY ELSE WILL APPROVE IT , AND IT IS BACK TO PEOPLE NOT CARING ABOUT OTHER PEOPLE. YOU

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HIS OLD PROPERTY, WHICH WAS AROUND THE CURVE WHERE IT IS LETTUCE HISTORICALLY, TERRIBLE, WHICH IS ONE OF THE REASONS WE WE GOT THE NEW BOX CULVERT IN THE PAY . WHAT YOU CALL IT? THAT TO GO TO THE CREEK , IT'S TOO HIGH. NEEDS TO BE LOWERED.

AND THAT IS ONE OF THE REASONS IS A FLOODING AREA IN MY OPINION. I DON'T KNOW. I JUST CAN'T STAND IT. I WENT THROUGH THE OTHER DAY, YESTERDAY, HAD TO GO ACROSS TOWN, I HAD TO LEAVE EARLY IN THE MORNING, AND I WENT THROUGH LITTLE RIVERS.

IS THAT YOUR NAME OF YOUR COMPANY? WHATEVER. THAT SUBDIVISION , WHERE THEY WILL PUT THE LIGHT. BECAUSE BOTH LANES WERE SO BUSY, AND I HAD TO GET ACROSS TOWN , SO I WENT THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND I FELT SO SORRY FOR THEM, BECAUSE THAT LIGHT IS GOING TO GO IN RIGHT THERE. AND THE KIDS ARE THERE . THEY ARE NOT -- EXITING. THE KIDS WERE THERE.

THEY WERE NOT STANDING OUT THERE WAITING FOR THE BUS. ALL THE PARENTS ARE PULLED OFF OF THE ROAD. YOU KNOW, WITH THEIR KIDS IN THE CAR. CAN YOU IMAGINE WHAT THIS IS GOING TO BE? IN JUST A FEW SHORT WEEKS WHEN THEY GET THAT LIGHT IN? AND THEY CHANGE TURNING ONTO OLD HARD, I DON'T KNOW. THE TRAFFIC IS HIDEOUS. PLEASE DON'T APPROVE THIS. AND I DID SEND YOU ON EMAIL. PLEASE READ IT. THAT'S ALL I'M ASKING.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU . WE HAVE ANDREW GRIMM NEXT, AND FOLLOWING MR. GRIMM IS ANGELA MALLORY.

>> GOOD EVENING. ANDY GREEN, 12 OR OLD HARD ROAD. I WILL JUST COMMENT INITIALLY ON THE STAFF REPORT REGARDING THIS APPLICATION. IN SEVERAL CASES, THE STAFF FINDINGS DID NOT MAKE SENSE TO ME. FOR EXAMPLE, THE SECTION STATED THAT THE APPLICANT IS IMPROVING OLD HARD ROAD BY PROVIDING DECELERATION LANES AND COVERING PORTIONS OF THE ROAD FOR ADDITIONAL ACCESS.

THEY MENTIONED THAT , BUT THEY MADE NO MENTION OF THE ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC CREATED BY THE NEW SUBDIVISION ON OLD HARD ROAD. IN SECTION H, THE SECTION FINDING STATED THERE IS A HIGH DEMAND FOR SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT IN THIS AREA OF THE COUNTY, BUT I WILL ARGUE THERE ARE MANY MORE APPROPRIATE PLACES TO BUILD OUT NEW DEVELOPMENTS. I THINK THE AREAS SOUTH AND WEST OF GREEN COVE SPRINGS WHERE THERE BUILDING THBOUND WOULD BE MUCH MORE APPROPRIATE PLACES FOR NEW DEVELOPMENT. IT WOULD ALLOW PEOPLE THAT WORK IN JACKSONVILLE AND LIVE IN CLAY COUNTY TO HAVE A MUCH EASIER COMMUTE THING GOING THROUGH ORANGE PARK IN THE MORNING. THE ONLY THING THIS DEVELOPMENT WILL DO IS CREATE FURTHER BACKUP ON OLD HARD ROAD COUNTY ROAD U 20 AND 17 EVERYDAY. THE STAFF SEEMS TO PLACE A LOT OF FAITH THAT THE NEW COUNTY ROAD U 20 OLD HARD ROAD INTERSECTION IS GOING TO REDUCE THE CUT THEIR TRAFFIC OCCURRING ON OLD HARD ROAD , AND ALTHOUGH THE CHANGES MAY MAKE IT SAFER FOR WESTBOUND TRAFFIC GOING FROM OLD HARDWARE TO GET TO 220, I DON'T THINK IT WILL REDUCE TRAFFIC. I REALLY FEEL SORRY FOR THE PEOPLE IN RIVERBEND DEVELOPMENT IS A LOOKS LIKE THE WESTBOUND TRAFFIC IS GOING TO GO THROUGH THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD. THE SEMI'S, DUMB TRUCKS, AND COMMERCIAL TRAFFIC THAT WILL GO THAT WAY WILL JUST BE TERRIBLE FOR THEM. THE STAFF PREVIOUSLY SAID THAT THE PUD ZONING SHOULD

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CHANGE. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, MR. GRIMM. WE HAVE MS. ANGELA MALLORY NEXT . FOLLOWING THIS MALLORY, WE HAVE

WILLIAM CLAY LINT. >> GOOD EVENING. ANGELA MALLORY, 2121 BLUE HERON COVE DRIVE. WE ALWAYS GO RIGHT AFTER THE PERSON WHO DOES VERY SIMILAR THINGS.

>> IT'S EASY, MA'AM. ANY DIRECTOR COMMENTS TO US.

>> MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS INFRASTRUCTURE FIRST.

CURRENTLY, THERE IS A PROXIMALLY A ONE MILE STRETCH OF OLD HARD ROAD FROM WHEN YOU TURN OFF OF 220 BEFORE YOU EVEN REACH A SIDEWALK OF ANY SORT. THERE IS NO SHOULDERS .

BASICALLY IT IS A ROAD DITCH. EVEN IF ONE WERE TO BIKE OR TRY TO RIDE OR ACCESS THAT IN ANY FASHION WHATSOEVER , THERE REALLY OPTION FOR THAT SECTION IS IN THE ROAD. WE WERE CALLED YESTERDAY AFTERNOON , AND WAS TALKING ABOUT ALL THESE IMPERMISSIBLY ARE GOING TO DO . THE CULVERTS, THE TURN LANES, THE CROSSWALK, WHICH IN THE SIDEWALK, TO ME, THE MOST LAUGHABLE. VERSUS CROSSWALK TO GO TO? IS NO SIDEWALK ON THE OTHER SIDE. OKAY, A CROSSWALK TO SOMEONE'S YARD ON THE OTHER SIDE OF OLD HARD ROAD. I DISCUSSED WITH THE COMMISSION IN THE PLANNERS CONSIDER INFO STRUCTURE FIRST. RECENTLY DON'T HAVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE TO SUSTAIN ANY SORT OF ELEMENT LIKE THIS. EMERGENCY VEHICLES HAVE ALREADY BEEN BROUGHT UP QUITE A BIT EVEN THIS MORNING AT 730 A.M. -- YES, 7:30 A.M., I TRIED TO GO DOWN TO SUSIE WITH THE TRAFFIC WAS LIKE. I TURNED DOWN CANOVA TO TRY TO ACCESS OLD HARD ROAD . IT WAS FINE FOR ME GETTING THERE , BUT THE TRAFFIC GOING INTO THE SCHOOLS ALREADY BACKED UP ALL THE WAY TO OLD HARD ROAD, AND IN BOTH DIRECTIONS ON OLD HARD IN A COUPLE OF WAYS. ANOTHER THING THAT WAS STATED THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES , AND I BEG TO DIFFER , CURRENTLY THE PROPERTIES TO THE NORTH AND THE EAST ARE AR, AND THE WEST IS RB. THE SOUTHERN PROPERTY IS A WETLAND CONSERVATION EASEMENT.

IT'S ALMOST AS IF THAT COULD NOT BE BUILT ANYWAYS. SO, THERE WERE VERY FEW DEVELOPMENTS ON FLEMING ISLAND THAT ARE NOT ACCESSIBLE VIA SIDEWALK TO MUCH EVERYWHERE ELSE IN FLEMING ISLAND. OUR NEIGHBORHOOD ADMIRALS IS ONE OF THOSE UNFORTUNATELY , AND THAT HAS ALWAYS BEEN AN ISSUE. I CAN'T ALLOW MY CHILD TO BASICALLY RIDE HER BIKE TO A FRIENDS HOUSE BECAUSE SHE HAS GOT TO GET ON OLD HARD ROAD, AND I DON'T SEE ANYTHING IN THIS NEW DEVELOPMENT THAT WOULD MAKE THERE IS ANY DIFFERENT AS FAR AS THE ACCESSIBILITY TO THOSE SERVICES. I WOULD SAY THAT IT IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE REST OF FLEMING ISLAND , AND THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T GET THERE AND USE A SIDEWALK TO GO OVER VERY WANT TO GO. I WILL BE INTERESTED TO SEE THE CROSSWALK. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU, MISS MALLORY. WE HAVE MR. LIND, AND FOLLOWING MR. LYNCH, WE HAVE SUSIE BROADHURST.

>> I LIVE ON 170 CANOVA ROAD , 32003. THE TRAFFIC THING HAS

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>> NEXT, WE HAVE MISS SUSIE BROADHURST, AND FOLLOWING THIS BROADHURST, WE HAVE MISSED I AM.

>> GOOD EVENING. THANKS FOR LETTING US ALL TALK. I REALLY, REALLY APPRECIATE IT. I LIVE AT 1996, GAP LANE. THIS IS A VERY LAST HOUSE ON CATTLE GAP LANE THAT FLOODED DURING IRMA . WE ARE IN THE SOUTHEAST PROPERTY THAT WAS TALKED ABOUT. I WILL NOT BORE YOU WITH THE TRAFFIC. I MEAN, I FEEL LIKE I AM ALREADY POURING MY DAUGHTER HERE , WHO HAD TO BRING WITH ME TONIGHT. WAIVER HAND. WE HAVE ABOUT ONE DOZEN KIDS ON CATTLE GAP LAID, AND TWO OF THEM RIDE THE SCHOOL BUS. I WOULD LOVE FOR MAKE IS TO BE LIKE ET AND GOONIES KIDS, RIDING THE BIKE GOING DOWN OLD HARD ROAD. IT WOULD NOT DREAM OF IT.

ESPECIALLY DURING THE BLIND CURVE, WHICH WE DON'T HAVE A WALKABLE COMMUNITY OR SAFETY IN THAT ASPECT. I'M A LOCAL VETERINARIAN, SO I BOUGHT OUR PROPERTY BECAUSE I LOVE ANIMALS. YOU KNOW? SO, TAPPING INTO WHATEVER HAS BEEN SAID, WE HAVE SEEN EVERYTHING ON OUR PROPERTY. WE HAVE THE RING CAMERAS UP. IT IS AMAZING. WE HAVE THE COFFEE ON OUR BACK PORCH. EVERY BUT HE LOVES THAT. WE HAVE SWIMMING PENN CREEK.

EVENTUAL AN EMAIL LAST MAY. YOU CAN SEE OUR PROPERTY FROM MILTON. IT WASN'T EVEN A DIRECTED OR A TROPICAL STORM.

THANK GOD MY HUSBAND IS IN THE MILITARY AND THE COAST GUARD WHERE THOSE OR CHILD HELICOPTERS YOU SEE FLYING AROUND, BECAUSE THE BARRIERS GOING AROUND OUR HOUSE. WE HAVE A COMPANY THAT WE PAID $20,000.00 JUST TO SAVE OUR HOME FROM FLOODING. YOU KNOW? WE HAVE TAKEN OUR PERCUSSIONS BECAUSE WE LOVE THE PROPERTY SO MUCH , BUT WE HAVE HAD BAYER, BOBCATS, EVEN A BORE THAT IS COME THROUGH. WE HAVE HAD TONS AND TONS OF DIFFERENT TURTLES. I KIDS LOVES SNAKES AND THEY PICK THEM UP, BUT GOSH, I SURE DON'T. EVEN IF I AM A VET. YOU KNOW? I HEARD AN INNOVATIVE IDEA, AND I HEARD A DOG PARK, AND ALARM PARKS GO OFF IN MY HEAD. IF YOU BRING A DOG PARK WITH BARKING DOGS, BELIEVE ME, I HAVE GOT DOGS. I LOVE THEM.

BUT WHEN YOU BRING A PARK INTO THE MIX, YOU HAVE GOT TO MAKE SURE THAT THESE GUYS HAVE PARASITE CONTROL, BECAUSE YOU BACTERIA, VIRUSES, AND PATHOGEN SECOND DUMP IN, GET TRAINED INTO SWIMMING PENS, ALL THAT SORT OF STUFF. THAT'S A CONCERN TO ME AS FAR AS SCARING OFF SOME WILDLIFE. WITH SOME EAGLE NEST BACK THERE, AS WE NEED TO PAY ATTENTION TO THAT AS WELL. YOU KNOW?! OF WITH THE CURRENT ZONING ONE HOUSE PER ACRE, THEY ARE HOMEOWNERS! THEY ARE ENTITLED TO BUILD UPON THESE PROPERTIES. WE DECIDE TO DO IT IN THE RIGHT FASHION AND THE RIGHT TIMING WITH THE SAFETY ON THE ROAD ON A TWO LANE ROAD THAT WE HAVE NO EMERGENCY EGRESS ON. THE ABILITY FOR US PASS UP FLEMING ISLAND PRESERVE. THOSE ARE MY CONCERNS , AND I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU LETTING ME TALK

TODAY. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. THE NEXT SPEAKER

IS DIANE. >> I WAS NOT SUPPOSED TO FLOOD

THE CARD. SORRY. >> THAT'S FINE. WE WILL MOVE ON TO RILEY. OKAY, FILING RILEY, WE'LL HAVE JAKE FUCHS.

>> I AM RILEY. I LIVE ON 188 OLD HARD ROAD, WHICH IS JUST NORTH OF THE INTERSECTION OF CANOVA AND OLD HARD ROAD. AS MUCH AS YOU HAVE HEARD, IT'S ALL AN UNDERSTATEMENT. I CAN'T LEAVE MY HOUSE BETWEEN THE HOURS OF ABOUT 7:15 AND 9:00.

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IT'S A REAL ISSUE ALREADY , AND PLEASE DON'T DO THIS.

IT'S NOT WHAT OLD HARD ROAD IS MADE TO SUPPORT. I APPRECIATE THAT THE SCHOOL IS THERE ON CANOVA. I THINK IT'S A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR THE COMMUNITY. MY KIDS CAN'T WALK AND WILL NEVER BE ABLE TO WALK THERE UNLESS THEY GET SIDEWALKS. AND THERE ISN'T REALLY ROOM. IT'S TWO DISHES, AND EVEN LAST WEEK, THERE IS A GUY WALKING ON CANOVA WHILE I WAS DRIVING TO WORK. YOU HAD TO STUFF INTO TRAFFIC ALL OF A SUDDEN , WHICH IS MY CAR, INSTEAD BECAUSE HE HAD A DITCH OR THE ROAD. AS IT STANDS, IT'S ALREADY A RISK. PLEASE DON'T GO FORWARD WITH US AT THIS DENSITY. IS NOT SUSTAINABLE FOR THE COMMUNITY.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. NEXT, WE HAVE JAKE FUCHS , AND ACTUALLY, THAT IS THE LAST PART I HAVE. SO, IF THERE IS SOMEONE ELSE WHO WISHES TO BE HEARD -- OKAY, WE

WILL HEAR THAT. YOU GO AHEAD. >> THANK YOU. COULD EVENING. I RESIDE AT 1925 SALT CREEK DRIVE IN FLEMING ISLAND. 60 NEW HOMES. 60 HOMES WITHOUT APPROXIMATELY 120 VEHICLES TRAVELING MULTIPLE TIMES A DAY TO A NARROW TWO LANE ROAD ALREADY BUSY WITH TRAFFIC FROM ADJACENT HIGHWAY 220 LEADING TO THREE LARGE SCHOOLS. THUNDERBOLT ELEMENTARY , ST.

JOHN'S CLASSICAL ACADEMY, AND FLEMING ISLAND HIGH SCHOOL.

RECENTLY, THERE IS ALSO INCREASE PATH OR TRAFFIC FOR THE NEWLY EXPANDED BAPTIST MEDICAL CENTER. 120 MORE CARS WOULD EXACERBATE EXISTING CONGESTION ISSUES ON THE STRETCH OF OLD HARD ROAD, BUT ROUGHLY 60 NEW HOMES IS WITH THE CURRENT ZONING ALLOWS. THIS PROPOSAL SEEKS NEARLY TRIPLE THAT AMOUNT. THE DEVELOPER, LOOKING TO MAXIMIZE THE RETURN ON INVESTMENT , WOULD LIKE TO PUT AS MANY HOMES AS POSSIBLE ONTO SMALL LOTS WITH NO ONGOING CONCERN FOR THE LASTING IMPACT ON THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY. INSTEAD OF 120, THEY WOULD ADD WELL OVER 100 CARDS TO THE SMALL AREA. AT THIS MINIMUM, SUCH AN INCREASE WOULD NECESSITATE THE FULL LENGTH, THIS RING ONE OF THE LAST OLD-GROWTH TREE SHADED COVERED ROADS IN FLEMING ISLAND. THE NEW TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT AT OLD HARD AND AT 220 WILL DO NOTHING TO LIMIT EASTBOUND TRAFFIC COMING DOWN OLD HARD FROM MIDDLE LAKE ASBURY. NOBODY HAS TALKED ABOUT THAT. YOU CAN'T GO LEFT ANYMORE, BUT THERE ARE STILL TONS OF TRAFFIC HEADING EASTBOUND THAT IS NOT GOING TO BE MITIGATED IN ANY WAY WITH THIS NEW TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT.

THIS HAS DETERMINED THIS GROWTH IN A FEW YEARS, AND ONE MIGHT RIGHTLY ASK WHY SHOULD THIS PROPOSAL BE REJECTED WHEN SO MANY OTHERS HAVE BEEN APPROVED? TO THAT, I SEE THAT EVERY COMMUNITY DECIDES WHAT YOU CAN SERVE AND WHAT TO SACRIFICE FOR DEVELOPMENT. FLEMING ISLAND AND CLAY COUNTY HAVE ALREADY OFFERED UP MUCH IN THE PURSUIT OF PROGRESS. I BELIEVE THERE WOULD BE HIGH DEMAND FOR 60 NEW HOMES ON ONE ACRE LOTS IN FLEMING ISLAND. SUCH A DEVELOPMENT WOULD OFFER A GREAT FINANCIAL RETURN FOR AN ENTERPRISE DEVELOPER. NICE HOMES ON LARGER LOTS WOULD NOT ONLY MAINTAIN BUT ACTUALLY INCREASE THE PROPERTY VALUES OF THE SURROUNDING AREAS. THE EXISTING ZONING IS EFFICIENT AND APPROPRIATE TO SATISFY BOTH THE DESIRE FOR GROWTH AND THE ESIRE OF SOME OF THE REMAINS OF THE OLD CHARM IN FLEMING ISLAND. I AM FREE TO DECLINE THE PROPOSAL. THINK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

>> WE HAVE ONE ADDITIONAL . >> WHAT SHE SWORN IN?

>> I DID TURN IN A CARD. I LIVE AT 15 OLD HARD ROAD IN 1953 COUNTY ROAD 220. RIGHT WERE OLD HARD ROAD ENDS. EIGHT YEARS AGO WHEN WE SOLD OUR HOME IN OAK LEAF, WE WERE DRAWN TO OLD HARD ROAD BECAUSE IT OFFERED THE CONVENIENCE OF BEING CLOSE TO WORK, BUT MY HUSBAND WANTED LAND. OUR GOAL WAS TO HAVE A LARGE LOT, AND WE FOUND THAT IN ALL HARD ROAD. WE FOUND OUR HOME IN THE ADJACENT LOT. ONE HOME, ONE ACRE. FLEMING ISLAND HAS FLEMING ISLAND PLANTATION, PAY SILENCE, AND MANY OTHER DEVELOPMENTS, BUT THERE ARE A FEW AREAS LIKE OLD HARD ROAD.

WE LOVE THE FARM FIELD, THE BEAUTIFUL, LARGE AND SMALL CUSTOM-BUILT HOMES , AND HAVING A PRIDE IN OUR PROPERTY AND PRIDE IN OUR ACREAGE. OVER THE PAST EIGHT YEARS, OLD HARD ROAD HAS CHANGED A LOT. OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE DISCUSSED TRAFFIC. WITH THE INCREASED SCHOOL TRAFFIC AND CUT THROUGH TO THE

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MY DRIVEWAY! THANK YOU. >> IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WISHES TO BE HEARD ON THIS MATTER?

>> MY NAME IS DIANE. I LIVE AT 2120 FLINTLOCK COURT. IT'S ACTUALLY LAKE ASBURY. THEY ARE BUILDING THE OUTER BELTWAY NEXT DOOR TO MY HOUSE ON BLOCH CREEK. SO, I FEEL YOUR PAIN ABOUT ANIMALS AND SUCH. IN THE EARLY '60S WHEN MY FATHER BROUGHT THE PROPERTY, HE HAD AN IDEA . HE WANTED TO BE A GENTLEMAN FARMER . HE LIKES TO GO OUT THERE AND HANG OUT . AS DID WHEEL. WE CELEBRATED A LOT OF -- ACTUALLY SCARED TO HAVE MY BACK TO THIS GROUP , BUT WE CELEBRATED A LOT OF BIRTHDAYS , AND HAD A COUPLE OF WEDDINGS , AND OYSTER ROASTS, AND ALL OF THE THINGS THAT , YOU KNOW, PEOPLE DID BACK THEN. WHEN YOU HAVE SOME PROPERTY AND YOU COULD DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT, WHEN HE BOUGHT IT , THERE WAS NOTHING BUT WOODS EVERYWHERE.

THERE WAS A BAR NAMED LILA PHASE, AND WHITEY WAS THERE, AND IT WAS A TRUE CAMP . IT WAS NOT AS BIG AS THIS ROOM. AND IF YOU WENT FURTHER, THERE WERE THE RAILROAD TRACKS. THERE WAS NOT EVEN A CROSSBAR FOR THE SAFETY, AND A LITTLE FURTHER, THERE WERE PRICED MARKETS WHERE THE PEOPLE GOT THEIR MAIL. SO, FAST-FORWARD A LITTLE BIT. ALMOST EIGHT YEARS AGO TO THE DAY TO TODAY , MY FATHER PASSED AWAY UNDER HIS TRACTOR WITH HIS RANCH IN HIS HAND . ON THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY . JUST THE WAY HE WOULD HAVE WANTED TO GO. IT COULD NOT HAVE BEEN ANY BETTER WAY FOR HIM TO DEPART THIS WORLD. IT WAS A FULL MOON NIGHT AS WELL. SO, FAST-FORWARD EIGHT YEARS , AND WE WANT TO DO

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WELL, I WILL JUST SIT DOWN THEN.

>> I BELIEVE THERE WAS ANOTHER PERSON WHO WANTED TO SPEAK.

THANK YOU. >> MY APOLOGIES. I WAS UNABLE TO FILL OUT A CARD. THERE IS NO PEN. GOOD EVENING. 189 COUNTY ROAD , AND I WILL SAY HAVE NOT LIVED HERE FOR 20+ YEARS LIKE SOME OF MY NEIGHBORS . I MOVED TO FLEMING SEVEN OR EIGHT YEARS AGO WITH MY HUSBAND AND DAUGHTER. AS MY NEIGHBORS HAVE DONE A WONDERFUL JOB PAINTING A PICTURE OF TRAFFIC, SAFETY, AND ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES , I WILL MOVE PAST THAT PART OF IT. THIS BOARD RECOMMENDED TO DENY THE APPROVAL OF REZONING OF THE PROPERTY NEXT TO ST. JOHN'S CLASSICAL ACADEMY BACK IN MARCH DUE TO CONCERNS, AND I AGREE WHOLEHEARTEDLY, AND I DO VERY MUCH SO APPRECIATE THAT OPINION BY THE SPORT. UNFORTUNATELY, THE BCC HAD APPROVED THAT REZONING, AND WHEN IT OPENS, TRAFFIC WILL BE WORSE THAN IT CURRENTLY IS. ADDING THIS NEW PROPOSED REZONING IS JUST TO POINT TO COMPOUND ON THE ISSUES THAT WE ARE CURRENTL FACING . FORTUNATELY, IT SEEMS THE BCC COMMISSIONERS HAVE HAD A VERY, VERY RECENT CHANGE OF HEART REGARDING REZONING, AND I WILL PUT A COMMISSIONER IN THE LAST MEETING WHEN SHE SAID YOU GOT WHAT YOU PAID FOR. THE GENERAL CONSENSUS OF THAT MEETING REGARDING THE REZONING WAS JUST BECAUSE YOU BUY A PROPERTY DOES NOT MEAN YOU SHOULD RENT TO CHANGE IT AND CHANGE EVERYTHING ABOUT IT SO THAT PROPERTY SUITS YOUR PROFITS. IT SEEMS THE APPLICANT THOUGHT IT WAS A BIG DEAL TO MINUTELY REDUCE THE NUMBER OF HOMES THEY ARE PROPOSING AS PLANNED , WHICH TO ME SEEMED QUITE A BIT SHAKY.

I'M NOT SURE IF ANYONE HAS MENTIONED IT YET, BUT THE REZONING NOTICES POSTED ON THE PROPERTY WERE SO FAR BURIED IN THE TREE LINE THAT ACTUALLY HAD TO STOP MY CAR TO TAKE A PICTURE SO I COULD READ IT LATER ON. ONE OF THE SIGNS IS COMPLETELY UPSIDE DOWN. THAT'S VERY, VERY THIN SHARPIE MARKER ON A VERY LARGE SIGN DOES NOT DO IT WHEN YOU ARE NOTIFYING THE PUBLIC OF A REZONING CHANGE. THE STAFF HAD ALREADY RECOMMENDED TO DENY THIS PROPOSAL. I'M NOT QUITE SURE THE CHANGE OF CHANGE OF HEART HAVE COME FROM, BUT I INVITE THEM TO DRIVE DOWN THAT ROAD. MY CHILD GOES TO THE PROBLEM SCHOOL, AND IT'S UNFORTUNATE, BUT I TRY TO RIDE MY SCOOTER FROM MY HOME TO THE SCHOOL TO ALLEVIATE AT LEAST ONE CAR FROM BEING A PROBLEM CAR, AND WE CAN NO LONGER DO THAT BECAUSE OF THE UPCOMING MEDICAL OFFICES. I WOULD JUST ASK THAT THIS BOARD DOES DENY THE REQUEST, AND THAT ALL OF MY NEIGHBORS DO SHOW UP TO THE NEXT BCC MEETING SO WE CAN MAKE OUR VOICES HEARD

AGAIN. THANK YOU. >> IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WISHES TO BE HEARD ON THIS MATTER IS THERE A REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE FLEMING ISLAND CITIZENS ADVISORY BOARD COUNSEL THAT WISHES TO SPEAK? I'M SEEING NO ONE COME FORWARD. I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS MATTER AND CALL ON THE APPLICANT TO RESPOND TO THE

PUBLIC COMMENTS. >> THANK YOU. IF YOU WOULD ALLOW IT, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE YOU FINISH YOUR STATEMENT.

>> IS THAT OKAY? >> ALL RIGHT. IT IS.

ABSOLUTELY. >> OKAY. HAVING OWNED THIS PROPERTY FOR DECADES, WE HAVE WITNESSED FIRSTHAND THE TRANSFORMATION OF THE SURROUNDING LANDSCAPE WITH NEIGHBORING LANDS BEING REZONED AND DEVELOPED. AND A VIBRANT RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITIES SUCH AS RIVERBEND AND OFFSPRING BLUFF.

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THE RESISTANCE SEEKS TO IMPEDE OUR FAMILY'S RIGHTFUL OPPORTUNITIES TO REALIZE THE FULL POTENTIAL OF THE VALUE OF THE PROPERTY. WE RESPECTFULLY ENCOURAGE THE COMMISSION TO ENCOURAGE OUR PROPERTY RIGHTS AND THE HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE OF OUR FAMILY'S OWNERSHIP IN LIGHT OF THE PERSPECTIVES AND SENTIMENTS EXPRESSED BY NEWER MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE. THE INVESTMENT IN THIS LAND SPANS DECADES, AND WE HAVE INVESTED INTEREST IN ITS FUTURE. WE FIRMLY BELIEVE THAT RESPONSIBLE DEVELOP AN OF OUR PROPERTY WILL NOT HONOR OUR FAMILY'S LEGACY.

BUT ALSO, ENHANCE THE COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE. PARTICULARLY, SOMETHING THAT MY FATHER WOULD HAVE BEEN PROUD OF , WE APPRECIATE YOUR CONSIDERATION AND KINDLY ASK FOR YOUR SUPPORT IN OUR DEVELOPMENT PLANS. HOURS HAVE BEEN INTEGRAL TO THIS COMMUNITY FOR GENERATIONS HAS BEEN CRUCIAL TO ENSURING A BALANCED AND RESPECTFUL APPROACH TO GROWTH. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND ATTENTION TO THIS MATTER.

>> I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION. >> QUESTIONS ARE OUT OF ORDER.

THIS IS THE APPLICANT. MR. MILLER, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO

CONTINUE WITH YOUR COMMENT ? >> YES. I'M NOT GOING TO TRY TO RESPOND TO ALL OF THE COMMENTS , BECAUSE FRANKLY, IT SEEMS LIKE THERE IS A PROBLEM THERE THAT THE COUNTY SHOULD HAVE ADDRESSD A LONG TIME AGO. AND ACTUALLY, THIS PROJECT MAY BE ABLE TO ENHANCE OR IMPROVE THE SITUATION GIVEN THE RIGHT OPPORTUNITIES. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE CONDITION OF THE ROAD IS. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE SHOULDERS ARE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE DEPTH -- I DON'T KNOW ANY OF THAT . BECAUSE OF NOT THE DEVELOPER. WE DO THINK THIS PROJECT WE THROUGH LAND-USE REQUIREMENTS. MEETS THE BEAUTY REQUIREMENTS, AND ACTUALLY, IF YOU LOOK AT YOUR LAND-USE COMP PLAN IN DESCRIBING WHAT IS INTENDED IN RURAL FRENCH VERSUS WHAT IS INTENDED IN AN AGGIE RESIDENTIAL ZONING CATEGORY , WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING IS INTENDED IN COMPLIANCE WITH WHAT IS INTENDED UNDER THE FRENCH LAND-USE CATEGORY. WHAT YOU HAVE IS YOU HAVE GOT, WHAT, TWO OR THREE MILES AWAY FROM ONE OF THE LARGEST COMMERCIAL AREAS IN THE COUNTY? AND YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT CREATING ONE ACRE LOTS? THIS IS WORTH AND INFILL AREA THAN A PROJECT OUT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE WOODS. AND I HEAR THIS A LOT . I FEEL ASHAMED OF HAVING TO SAY IT. BUT FOR ALL OF THOSE WHO SAY THEY LOVE THE ANIMALS , I HAVE TO ASK THEM, WHERE DO THEY THINK THE ANIMALS THAT USED TO LIVE ON THE PROPERTY THAT THEY NOW OCCUPY WENT? IF THEY ARE STILL THERE --

>> THE EXCUSE ME. EXCUSE ME. MR. MILLER HAS THE FLOOR. IT'S INAPPROPRIATE TO SPEAK AUDIBLY WHILE SOMEBODY ELSE HAS THE FLOOR. THE PUBLIC HEARING IS OVER. AND WE WERE PROCEED WITH MR. MILLER'S COMMENTS . THERE ARE NO MORE QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME. WE ARE PAST THAT POINT. AS I OUTLINED IN THE VERY BEGINNING WITH THE PROCEDURE. MR. MILLER, DO YOU HAVE ANY

FURTHER COMMENTS? >> THAT IS IT. I WOULD ASK YOU TO FAVORABLY CONSIDER THE APPLICATION.

>> THANK YOU. >> MADAM CHAIR, IF I MAY? 75669 BLACKBIRD DRIVE . I JUST WANT TO ADD TO WHAT MR. MILLER WAS SAYING. WE UNDERSTAND THIS IS A PRE-EXISTING ISSUE . THE PROBLEM WITH TRAFFIC IS DIRECTLY FROM THE CHARTER SCHOOL . I HOPE WE CAN BE THE SPARK THAT HELPS WITH THE SOLUTION FOR THAT. I UNDERSTAND CROSSWALK LEADS TO NOTHING, BUT

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THIS IS A QUASIJUDICIAL MATTER. HAVE A JUDICIARY NEEDING TO LOOK AT IT BASED ON THE CODE REQUIREMENTS. WE CHECK EVERY BOX. WE KNOW THERE WAS ONE PERSON WHO MENTIONED A GENERAL NATIONWIDE AAA TRAFFIC STUDY. THIS IS REVIEWED BY FDOT ON A MICRO SCALE FOCUSING ON THIS AREA. AND THEY DETERMINE OUR TRIP GENERATION DURING PEAK HOURS . THE COUNTY ENGINEER HAS TOLD US THAT NO FURTHER TRAFFIC STUDY IS REQUIRED. WE HAVE HEARD FROM OUR SCHOOL BOARD BUT IT IS HURTING, SO THERE IS CAPACITY FOR THE SCHOOLS. WE WOULD NOT BE OVERBURDENING THE SCHOOLS. WHEN YOU TAKE DENSITY LIKE THIS AND YOU PUSH IT TO THE FRINGE OF YOUR COMMUNITY, THAT IS WHEN YOU START TO OVERBURDEN INFRASTRUCTURE. WHEN YOU ARE CAUSING PEOPLE TO DRIVE IN FROM MIDDLEBURG , THAT IS WHEN YOU OVERBURDEN YOUR INFO STRUCTURE. THAT IS WHEN THINGS GO AWRY. THIS IS A DONUT HOLE.

EVERYTHING AROUND IT HAS BEEN DEVELOPED TO THE WEST .

DIRECTLY PUTTING US TO THE WEST IS THE SAME EXACT DENSITY PER NET ACRE. I HEARD SOMEONE SAY THAT WE ARE PROPOSING OUR DOG PARK IN THE CONSERVATION EASEMENT . NUMBER ONE, THERE IS NO WAY ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH WOULD WE EVER BE ALLOWED TO DO THAT. NUMBER TWO, THE CONSERVATION EASEMENT IS NOT PART OF OUR SUBJECT PROPERTY. IN THE NUMBER THREE , THE DOG PARK , WE STILL HAVE 10 ACRES OF WETLANDS THAT WE ARE PROPOSING IS PRESERVATION , AND THEN THERE IS THE FLOOD ZONE, WHICH IS ALREADY CLEARED . IT'S UPLAND ACRES. THAT IS WHERE THE DOG PARK WOULD BE. WHAT I JUST HOPE IS THAT IF YOU HAVE 20 SPEAKERS HERE IN OPPOSITION , YOU CAN SEND OUT A NOTIFICATION TO EVERYBODY WITHIN 300 FEET . I JUST REALLY HOPE THAT THE OUTSPOKEN MINORITY DOES NOT OUTSHINE THE SILENT MAJORITY. THERE ARE FOLKS THAT SUPPORT THIS. THERE ARE FOLKS. THERE IS VERY QUALIFIED, HIGHLY EDUCATED STUFF STAFF THE SAY THERE IS DEMAND FOR THIS, AND IT IS OF THAT YOU GUYS WILL FIND THIS IS A QUASIJUDICIAL MATTER. THANK YOU GUYS FOR YOUR SERVICE, AND I APPRECIATE YOUR

CONSIDERATION. >> THANK YOU. AT THIS TIME, I WOULD LIKE TO BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMISSION FOR DISCUSSION

AND ACTION. >> YOU WANT ME TO START?

>> MIGHT AS WELL. >> FIRST OF ALL, I DON'T LIKE BEING LECTURED TO. I'VE BEEN ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR, OH, ABOUT 17 YEARS , AND HAVE SERVED AS CHAIRMAN OF THIS FOR AT LEAST FIVE OF THOSE YEARS. I AM WELL AWARE OF THE DUTIES OF A PLANNING COMMISSION . I DO HAVE ONE QUICK QUESTION FOR STAFF. WHAT IS THE RIGHT-OF-WAY ON OLD HARD ROAD?

>> I DON'T KNOW. RICHARD, DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE RIGHT-OF-WAY IS? IT'S 40? 80? 80 RIGHT AWAY.

>> OKAY. SO, SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT I HEARD FROM DIFFERENT SPEAKERS , YOU KNOW, WHEN THEY PROPOSED THIS CHANGE OF THE TRAFFIC TO 220 , I ALWAYS THOUGHT THAT WAS A BAD PLAN , AND HIS OWN PEOPLE WILL DO IS COME UP TO 20, THEY WILL MAKE A RETURN , THEY'LL GET TO THE FIRST PLACE AGAIN, MAKE A U-TURN, AND HAD DOWN TO 20. I THINK YOU WILL MAKE THE TRAFFIC

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PLAINTIFF DON'T LOOK AT HIGHEST AND BEST USE, THEY LOOK AT COMPATIBILITY, THEY LOOK AT NEIGHBORHOODS SURROUNDING IT , THEY LOOK AT ALL OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT GO ON IN THAT AREA.

I DO AGREE, THERE IS A DEMAND FOR LARGE LOTS, AND I THINK THERE IS A VERY IMPORTANT POINT HERE THAT A DENIAL OF THIS REQUEST IS NOT TO SAY THAT PROPERTY CAN'T BE DEVELOPED.

THE PROPERTY IS DEVELOPABLE TODAY UNDER ITS CURRENT LAND USE AND ZONING. AND IF SOMEBODY COMES IN HERE AND SAID HERE IS A PLAN WE WANT TO DO UNDER THAT LAND-USE ZONING , I THINK WE HAVE AN OPERATION TO SUPPORT THAT. AND EVEN HAVE TO COME TO SEE US ACTUALLY. THAT TO GO TO THE BUILDING. BUT THERE IS NO ENTITLEMENT, AND THAT IS WHAT I HEARD WAS A SENSE OF ENTITLEMENT THAT WE CHECKED ALL OF THE BOXES , AND REGARDLESS OF WHAT ANYBODY THINKS WE HAVE OUGHT TO DO, WE HAVE TO DO IT BECAUSE WE HAVE CHECKED THE BOXES. IF THAT WAS THE POINT, THERE IS NO REASON FOR US TO BE SITTING HERE. WE ARE HERE TO INJECT, AS I HAVE SAID MANY TIMES , WE ARE THE CITIZENS REPRESENTATIVES IN THESE MATTERS. AND WE DO GO ALONG WITH STAFF MOST OF THE TIME. THERE ARE TIMES WHEN I BELIEVE, AND SOMETIMES MY COLLEAGUES AGREE , THAT THE STAFF HAS MADE A BAD DECISION. I HAD A FEW OTHER THINGS, BUT ONE THING I DID WANT TO BRING UP AND POINT OUT WAS I TO READ ALL OF THE EMAILS THAT PEOPLE SEND. ONE OF THE PEOPLE THAT SPOKES AND I HOPE YOU ARE THE EMAILS. THINK EVERYBODY APPEAR READS THEM. WE LOOK AT THE STAFF REPORT , SO WE ARE INTERESTED IN MAKING A DECISION , EVEN IF WE DO DISAGREE ABOUT WHAT THAT DECISION MIGHT BE. I THINK I MIGHT JUST HAVE TO LEAVE IT THERE FOR RIGHT NOW. I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH DONUT HOLES.

WE HAVE THEM RIGHT NOW. WE HAVE THEM ALL OVER THIS COUNTY .

THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH THEM. ONE THING I WANTED TO ASK HER SCOOPER REPRESENTATIVES, PAUL, WHAT KIND OF TRAFFIC STUDY IS REQUIRED FOR THE CHARTER SCHOOL? THERE YOU GO.

DID YOU ALL HEAR THAT? THAT'S YOUR REPRESENTATIVES IN TALLAHASSEE. IF YOU ARE UNHAPPY WITH THAT , TAKEN UP WITH THE TALLAHASSEE FOLKS! YOU KEEP ELECTING THE PEOPLE THAT WILL DO THIS . IF YOU BUILD A PUBLIC SCHOOL YET DO TRAFFIC STUDIES , YOU HAVE TO APPROVE THAT THE ROADS ARE THERE. YOU WANT TO

PUT A CHARTER SCHOOL IN ? >> IT ANYWHERE YOU WANT. PUT IT ON A DIRT ROAD IF YOU WANT. THERE IS NO REQUIREMENT THAT THEY DO ANYTIME OF TRAFFIC STUDY. IT'S NOT THE SCHOOL'S FAULT. THEY FOLLOW THE LAW. BUT THAT IS WHY THERE IS NO TRAFFIC

STUDY. I AM DONE. >> OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONER

ANZALONE? >> YOU HAVE TO TAG ALONG WITH

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WE DO OUR BEST , AS CITIZENS AS WELL, TO DO WHAT IS ONLY RIGHT FOR THE COUNTY, BUT IS RIGHT FOR THE CITIZENS OF THE COUNTY.

HE MADE A COMMENT EARLIER OF 150 DAYS . SCHOOLS AND IN 180 DAYS. THIS 30 MORE DAYS THAN YOU CLAIMED BEFORE AS PART OF THE TRAFFIC GOES. MY QUESTION TO YOU IS HAVE YOU BEEN ON OLD HARD ROAD DURING THOSE PERIODS OF TIME WHEN PEOPLE ARE DROPPING STUDENTS OFF OR PEOPLE ARE PICKING STUDENTS UP THROUGHOUT THE COURSE OF THE DAY? BECAUSE IF YOU HAVE , THEN YOU CAN UNDERSTAND ALL OF THE COMMENTS THAT HAVE COME IN WITH THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC ON THAT ROAD. I DRIVE THAT ROAD. OKAY? I HAVE PEOPLE THAT LIVE ALL WITHIN THOSE MULTIPLE COMMUNITIES THAT ARE OUT THERE. OKAY? AND I HAVE BEEN ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE HAVE BEEN DRIVING DOWN THAT ROAD AND HAVE BEEN PASSED MORE THAN ONE TIME BY A SPEEDING CAR OVER A DOUBLE YELLOW LINE. SO, IT'S NOT A SAFE ROAD. I WILL SAY THIS OUT LOUD. I'M REALLY NOT IN FAVOR OF THIS SIZE DEVELOPING GOING INTO THAT PARTICULAR AREA. I PERSONALLY FEEL THAT THE ZONING THAT IS THERE RIGHT NOW OF BUILDING ONE HOME PER ACRE IS MORE THAN SUFFICIENT TO THE DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE WITHIN THERE. IF YOU LOOK AT THIS MAP AND SEE HOW WE ARE JUST PUSHING THINGS IN, OKAY? AT ONE THING POINT, , WE HAVE TO THINK OF THE INFO STRUCTURE HERE. WITH THE AMOUNT OF CARS THAT WOULD BE COMING IN AND OUT OF THERE, PLUS THE AMOUNT OF CARS THAT ARE ALREADY WITHIN A NEIGHBORHOOD, I DON'T SEE IT BEING ANY SAFER. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY CAN DO . NO SHOULDER.

THE LINE ON THE OUTER PART OF THAT ROAD IS RIGHT ON THE EDGE OF THE ROAD. I DON'T EVEN THINK THERE IS AN INCH. IF THERE IS AN INCH, OKAY? OF PAVEMENT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF WHERE THAT LINE IS. WHAT CAN YOU DO TO IMPROVE THAT? KEEP SAYING YOU ARE GOING TO IMPROVE THINGS. I CAN'T PHYSICALLY SEE IN MY MIND, AND I'M A VERY CREATIVE PERSON, UNLESS YOU PUT IN AN ADDITIONAL LANE ON EACH SIDE OF THAT ROAD, I CAN'T UNDERSTAND HOW YOU CAN CONCEIVABLY MAKE IT ANY SAFER.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. I THINK WE SHOULD LET ALL THE COMMISSIONERS WANT TO SPEAK SPEAK FIRST BEFORE YOU OFFER A RESPONSE. IS THERE ANY OTHER COMMISSIONER THAT WISHES TO -- COMMISSIONER GARRISON, WOULD YOU LIKE TO GO NEXT?

>> SO, I SONIC A BROKEN RECORD OFTEN WHEN THESE TYPES OF THINGS,. I STARTED VOLUNTEERING, MUCH LIKE YOU, AND I LOVE THE WAY YOU START THE MEETING, THINKING US FOR BEING HERE. THIS IS THE DEMOCRATIC PROCESS AWARD. THESE ARE NOT FUN DECISIONS NECESSARILY. IT'S NO FUN SITTING HERE BEING LECTURED BY A DEVELOPER OR BY CITIZENS. WE ARE HUMAN BEINGS. I STILL HAVE MY WORK CLOTHES ON. HE CAME RUNNING IN HERE TO PARTICIPATE AS A VOLUNTEER. BECAUSE LIKE LATE CARE ABOUT CLAY COUNTY. WHEN I WAS A YOUNG MAN'S IN 1990, I GOT INVOLVED BECAUSE I CARED ABOUT MY COMMUNITY BECAUSE I CARED ABOUT THE COUNTY. FOR WHOEVER IS SPEAKING TO US , UNDERSTAND THAT WE ARE TAKING TIME FOR OUR FAMILIES AND EVERYTHING ELSE BECAUSE WE ENJOY IT, AND WE LIKE TO BE INVOLVED IN THE PROCESS . I KNOW SPEAKING FOR MYSELF, AND I AM SURE EVERYONE, WE WANTED TO BE THE BEST CLAY COUNTY COULD POSSIBLY BE. I APOLOGIZE. I DON'T REMEMBER YOUR NAME. MR. PARTRIDGE'S DAUGHTER? SHE SPOKE ABOUT BEING FROM THE '60S. THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO HAVE LIVED IN THIS COUNTY FOR A LONG TIME. IN 1970 , ROUGHLY 50 YEARS AGO , THE POPULATION OF CLAY COUNTY WAS 32,000 PEOPLE. TODAY, IS 232,000 PEOPLE.

THAT'S A SEVEN TIMES INCREASE IN THE POPULATION OF CLAY COUNTY. BY 2040, LESS THAN 20 YEARS FROM NOW, IT'S EXPECTED TO BE OVER 300,000 PEOPLE. WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR YOU DON'T LIKE IT, THAT IS A FACT. INTO MR. MILLER , DON'T BE ASHAMED OF IT. IT'S A FACT THAT IS FRUSTRATING. THE IRONY

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THERE'S PLENTY OF INFRASTRUCTURE OF WATER AND SEWER, ELECTRIC MAY GO OFF AND ON OCCASIONALLY, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THAT. THAT'S AN ELECTRIC ISSUE, BUT IT IS THERE. YOU HAVE INTERNET ALL OF THAT STUFF. THE CHALLENGE FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT, THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY IS OBVIOUSLY THE TRANSPORTATION. WITH THE OTHER THING I THOUGHT OF? A CHAIN IS ONLY AS STRONG AS ITS WEAKEST LINK. THE WEAKEST LINK HERE IS THE TRANSPORTATION. YOU KNOW, THE WHOLE THING ABOUT LEAVING IT AS IT IS, THAT IS ANOTHER STORY. IT WOULD BE DIFFICULT FOR ME , AND I WOULD ASK THE STAFF, I AM CURIOUS , FACED WITH ALL THAT WE HAVE JUST HEARD , AND I'M NOT TRYING TO PERSONALLY PUT YOU ON THE SPOT, I'M CERTAINLY NOT , BUT HOW CAN HE RECOMMEND APPROVAL GIVEN THAT? HOW IS IT THAT YOU SAY I SEE ALL THESE FACTS IN FRONT OF ME, AND I THINK THIS IS AN APPROPRIATE DEVELOPMENT? IS THAT A FAIR QUESTION?

>> SURE, ABSOLUTELY. AS A PLANNER , AND I HAVE BEEN A PLANNER, AND A ICP PLANNER FOR MORE THAN 20 YEARS. I HAVE BEEN A PLANNER FOR MORE THAN 35 YEARS. I'M THE CERTIFIED FLOODPLAIN MANAGER. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE CODE AND SAY, OKAY, INITIALLY I DENY THE APPLICATION BECAUSE IT DID NOT MEET THE STANDARDS FOR THE CODE . SINCE THE CODA, THEY HAVE EMBELLISHED THE PLAN , AND THEY HAVE REDUCED THE NUMBER. SO, THE MEET THE CRITERIA IN THE CODE. FROM A PLANNING STANDPOINT, I CAN'T REALLY DENY IT. THERE IS NO JUSTIFICATION THAT I CAN POINT TO TO SAY IT DESERVES DENIAL.

>> YEAH. NOW, I CAN'T LOOK AT THE TRAFFIC, BECAUSE OUR PARTNERING DEPARTMENTS SAY A TRAFFIC STUDY IS NOT REQUIRED.

LOOKING AT THE ITE MANUAL , I MEAN IT SHOWS THAT IS NOT A REQUIREMENT. IT'S AN EXISTING CONDITION , AND IS THE APPLICANT HAS SAID , DIZZY WANT TO PUT SOMETHING ON THAT ROAD? IT'S TOTALLY UP TO HIM. IS NOT FROM A PLAN.

>> YEAH. THAT IDEA THAT TRAFFIC IS NOT A THING WE CONSIDER , I HAVE DONE A LITTLE BIT OF RESEARCH ON IT , AND APPARENTLY THE ATTORNEY MR. MILLER MIGHT BE ABLE TO COMMENT ON IT. THE FACT THAT IT WILL CREATE AN INCONVENIENCE FOR PEOPLE IS NOT A REASON TO DENY THIS APPLICATION.

>> IS NOT A CODE CRITERIA. >> IS MEDICAL CRITERI. I JUST WANT ANYBODY TO UNDERSTAND, I GET THAT IT IS, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF TRAFFIC, BUT IT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WE ARE SUPPOSED TO CONSIDER. I WOULD DEFY ANYBODY TO SIT HERE AND LISTEN TO 20 PLUS PEOPLE TALK ABOUT IT . I HAVE USED ALL OF THOSE ROADS, AND I DON'T GO NEAR THEM NOW BECAUSE OF THE TRAFFIC. IT'S JUST AN INTERESTING BIT OF TRIVIA. I PULLED UP THE MAP TO LOOK AT THE INTERSECTION OF WHERE ONE PERSON SAID WHERE THEY LIVED, AND THERE IS NOTHING BUT CARS BACKED UP THERE. IT JUST MADE THE POINT. AS MUCH AS I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING HAPPEN THERE , THE OTHER THING I WOULD LIKE TO SAY OR JUST TO SHARE WITH YOU IS YOU HAVE TWO CHOICES HERE. WE WILL GROW WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR YOU DON'T LIKE IT. I AM HAVING KIDS, THEY ARE HAVING KIDS,

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I'M CURIOUS TO HEAR THE REST OF THE COMMISSIONERS . THANK YOU THE PUT ON THE SPOT TO ANSWER THE QUESTION.

>> THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. YOU'VE GOT MORE ELOQUENT.

THANK YOU SO MUCH. ACTUALLY COULD NOT SAY IT ANY BETTER THAN WHAT YOU SAID. I KNOW WE ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO CONSIDER TRAFFIC , BUT I LIVE IN FLEMING ISLAND. JUST DOWN THE STREET FROM THIS , SO, I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE AREA. I CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND WHY STAFF RECOMMENDED APPROVAL , BECAUSE IT NEEDS THEIR CRITERIA . WHAT STAFF HAS TO USED TO DEFINE IT, IT MEANS THAT, SO FOR THAT STANDPOINT, I UNDERSTAND STUFF HARD WORK ON THIS, AND I APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU. MY CONCERN, AND IF YOU LIKE THAT IS OR COMMISSIONER GARRISON WAS GOING AS WELL , BECAUSE IT DOES TECHNICALLY CONFORM, IN MY OPINION, BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT ADJACENT PROPERTY TO THE WEST, AND YOU'VE GOT ANOTHER ADJACENT PROPERTY TO THE NORTH THAT HAS EQUAL DENSITY , IT CONFORMS. HAVING DRIVEN DOWN THESE ROADS WHEN THE CHARTER SCHOOL IS LOADING AND UNLOADING, BECAUSE THEY LIVE IN THIS AREA, I'M WELL AWARE OF THE TRAFFIC PROBLEM. IT'S NOT EVEN A CONCERN. IT IS A PROBLEM. I ALSO KNOW IT IS A TWO LANE ROAD WITH NO SIDEWALKS. THAT IS NOT THE DEVELOPERS PROBLEM. IS NOT THE BUILDERS PROBLEM. THAT IS A CLAY COUNTY PROBLEM. AND SHAME ON US IF WE THINK THAT WE SHOULD PUT THAT ON THE DEVELOPER. THAT IS NOT AN APPROPRIATE PLACE FOR THAT RESPONSIBILITY TO GO. THE IMPROVEMENTS OF THOSE EASEMENTS OR RIGHT OF WAYS IS SOMETHING THAT WE DO AS A COUNTY . UNLESS IT IS RIGHT IN FRONT OF, AND THEY HAVE DONE AN APPROPRIATE JOB OF DESCRIBING IN FRONT OF THEIR PARCEL IS WHERE THEY ARE GOING TO IMPROVE. THOSE OF US WHO HAVE BEEN IN THIS INDUSTRY KNOW FOR A LONG TIME KNOW THAT WHENEVER BACK IS ANOTHER IMPROVEMENT , THEN YOU GROW AND YOU HAVE YOUR CONNECTING SIDEWALKS, WHICH IS A REQUIREMENT WITH NEW DEVELOPMENT, AND THEN ULTIMATELY HAVE CONNECTIVITY WHERE FOLKS CAN RIDE THEIR BIKES, WALK, RUN, AND DO ALL THE THINGS WE LOVE TO DO HERE IN CLAY COUNTY. SO, WITH ALL OF THAT BEING SAID, AND I APPRECIATE THE CONCESSIONS THAT WERE MADE BY THE DEVELOPER IN REDUCING COUNT AND INCREASING GREEN SPACE , BECAUSE OF THE EXISTING CONDITIONS WITH TRAFFIC , WITH THE CHARTER SCHOOL , AND WITH ACCESS , I HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT THIS SPECIFIC DEVELOPMENT. I BELIEVE WE WILL FILL WHERE FILLING IS AVAILABLE. ABSOLUTELY. INFILL WHERE INFILL IS APPROPRIATE, AND THIS IS APPROPRIATE IN MY OPINION FOR IT EXCEPT FOR ACCESS . THAT IS MY CONCERN ON

THIS PARCEL. >> THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER

NORTON? >> IT'S HARD TO SAY MUCH BEYOND WHAT THE COMMISSIONERS SAID. I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU EVERYBODY FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT. I HAVE BEEN ON OTHER COMMISSIONS FOR OTHER AGENCIES, AND I KNOW WHAT IT TAKES TO COME OUT AND DO THIS. SO THANK YOU. STAFF, THANK YOU FOR DOING YOUR JOB. IN MY HUMBLE OPINION, YOU HAVE DONE EXACTLY WHAT YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO DO. OUR JOB TONIGHT IS TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION BASED ON OUR JUDGMENT. OKAY? AND IT'S ONLY A RECOMMENDATION, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, BECAUSE ULTIMATELY THE ACCOUNTABILITY IS WITH THE COMMISSIONERS. ALL RIGHT? THEY WILL MEET AND THEY WILL DISCUSS IT. I ENCOURAGE YOU TO COME OUT

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IT'S NOT THERE , AND THEREFORE, I CANNOT SUPPORT THIS UNTIL THE INFRASTRUCTURE IS EITHER IMPROVED , AND ANOTHER PLAN COMES FORWARD. FOR THAT, MADAM CHAIR, I AM NOT IN

SUPPORT OF THIS. >> THANK YOU , COMMISSIONER

DAVIS. >> LIKE ALL OF MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS, I HAVE BEEN DOING THIS FOR OVER 40 YEARS. I KNOW IT IS HARD TO BELIEVE, BUT NOT IN THIS CAPACITY FOR 40 YEARS, I HAVE SERVED ON AN ADVISORY COMMITTEE. BEAUTIFUL LADY, I LOVE HER. SHE AND I WORKED HARD ALONG WITH SEVEN OTHER MEMBERS TO NOT STOP DEVELOPMENT ON FLEMING ISLAND, BUT AT LEAST TO GET CONTROL OF IT SO IT DOES NOT TURN INTO BLANDING BOULEVARD. THAT WAS OUR GOAL. I THINK WE GOT AN OUTSTANDING PLACE. SO, HATS OFF TO MARGARET. IN THIS ISSUE, THE COUNTY IS CHASING INFRASTRUCTURE . YOU SEE THAT EVERYWHERE YOU GO. LAKE ASBURY IS SUFFERING TREMENDOUS AGONY , BECAUSE IF THE INFRASTRUCTURE WAS THERE BEFORE THEY HIT THEM , PUTTING THIS ON THE PLATE FOR THE COUNTY TO DEAL WITH IS NOT RIGHT. THE INFO STRUCTURE IS NOT THERE TO SUPPORT ANYTHING ELSE. OVER THE PAST SEVERAL WEEKS, I HAVE DRIVEN NUMEROUS TIMES UP AND DOWN, AND I APOLOGIZE TO YOU IF I HAVE ADDED YOUR TRAFFIC PROBLEMS, BECAUSE I WAS NOT MY INTENT. I WENT THERE DURING NOT SO BUSY TIMES . EVERYTHING YOU REFLECTED HERE IS SPOT ON. THE ONE THING THAT I NOTICED FIRST OFF IS THAT IS A NARROW ROAD WITH NOTHING BUT A DITCH ON EITHER SIDE. AND HATS OFF TO YOU TO BRING IT HERE FORMALLY .

THE DEVELOPMENT AROUND 220 ISN'T GOING TO HELP ANYTHING.

IT WILL HURT TO THAT ONE SMALL DEVELOPMENT DOWN THERE , BECAUSE TRAFFIC IS LIKE WATER, IT WILL GO WHERE IT WANTS TO GO. AND YOU WILL HAVE TRAFFIC TO THE SMALL NEIGHBORHOOD TRYING TO GO WEST ON 220. AND WHERE IS TRAFFIC GOING AND WHERE IS IT COMING FROM? WELL, GET OUTSIDE OF OLD HEARD RAD .

EAST-WEST PARKWAY USED TO BE A NICE LITTLE PATH TO CUT FROM 17 OVER TWO 220. IT IS LIKE DOWNTOWN NEW YORK CITY. AND THEY ARE LOOKING FOR WAYS TO BYPASS THE INTERSECTION OF 220 AND 17, BECAUSE IT IS A LOGJAM TRYING TO GO WEST ON 220 OR ANYWHERE ELSE. ONCE THAT ROAD STARTS GETTING FULL, THEY WILL BE GOING DOWN OVER HARD ROAD, BECAUSE THAT IS THE NEXT ROAD THAT GOES FROM WHEN YOU ARE ON A PLANTATION OR THE UBER DRIVER COMES FROM GREEN COVE SPRINGS TO GO WEST ON 220. THOSE THINGS ARE THERE. I DO HAVE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT FLOODIDEVELOPER, ESSENTIAL DEVELOPER IS SAYING THAT THEY CAN CONTROL IT.

UNFORTUNATELY NOBODY KNOWS OF THE CONTROL IT UNTIL AFTER THE DEVELOPMENT IS THERE, AND SOMEBODY HAS GOT WATER FLOWING THROUGH THEIR LIVING ROOM. SO, I CAN'T GO THERE TOO MUCH MORE THAN THAT. EVEN THOUGH DEVELOPING TO FULL POTENTIAL IS NOT A DEVELOP AND IDEAL , I UNDERSTAND IT, BUT I HAVE A CAVEAT TO IT , AND YOU CAN DEVELOP IT TO ITS FULL POTENTIAL AS LONG AS YOU DON'T DECREASE THE POTENTIAL OF YOUR NEIGHBOR. AND WHAT I MEAN BY THAT THERE ARE HOMES ON ONE ACRE , A NICE, QUIET NEIGHBORHOOD , AND PLOP 156 HOMES IN THE, QUOTE, DONUT HOLE . THAT, TO ME, IS NOT FAIR TO THE RESIDENTS WHO LIVE THERE. YOU ARE RIGHT ABOUT SCHOOL. WE HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH IT, SO DON'T BURN MY HOUSE . THAT'S JUST WHAT IT IS. THE OTHER THING TOO IS EMERGENCY EXITS.

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REASONS BEING THAT CAUSES A DELAY FOR HIM TO HAVE TO GET OUT, FIND A KEY, UNLOCK THE GATE, OPENED THE GATE , AND GET TO THE AREA WHERE HE HAS TO, YOU KNOW, PROVIDE HELP. AND OFTEN TIMES, THAT FIVE MINUTES CAN MAKE A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHETHER OR NOT THE INDIVIDUAL IS GOING TO BE OKAY OR NOT. AND I KIND OF UNDERSTAND WHAT HE IS SAYING. I DON'T LIKE IT. IF THERE IS A WAY AROUND IT, DON'T DO IT.

WHEN EVERYTHING IS ALL SAID AND DONE, I CAN'T SUPPORT THIS.

THIS AREA OF THE COUNTY CANNOT -- OLD HARD ROAD CAN'T SUPPORT THIS. I DON'T SEE WHERE IT IS GOING TO GO, AND CERTAINLY WE DON'T WANT TO ADD MORE AGONY TO AN ALREADY BAD SITUATION BY PUTTING MORE POTENTIAL PET TRAFFIC ONTO WHERE THE CAN

HANDLE IT. >> AT THIS POINT, I THINK WE SHOULD MOVE TO THE QUESTION. EVERYONE HAS SPOKEN , AND I THINK ANDERSON WITH THE SENTIMENT OF THE COMMISSION IS.

ALL YOU'RE READY FOR THE QUESTION?

>> I THINK SO. >> OKAY. I'M CALLING THE

QUESTION. IS THERE A MOTION? >> MADAM CHAIR, I WILL RECOMMEND DENIAL OF THIS REQUEST FOR ALL OF THE REASONS

THAT WERE JUST STATED. >> ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? I AM HEARING NONE.

ALL OF THOSE IN FAVOR OF DENIAL OF THE APPLICATION, PLEASE SAY

AYE. >> AYE.

>> AYE. >> AYE.

>> ANY OF THOSE, SAME SIGN? MOTION CARRIES.

>> I HAVE ONE STATEMENT TO THE AUDIENCE .

>> YES. >> THIS IS A RECOMMENDATION THAT GOES TO THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS.

>> IT'S NEXT WEEK. ONE WEEK FROM TONIGHT.

>> SO, THAT IS WHERE THE DECISION WILL BE MADE.

>> AT THIS POINT, I'M GOING TO DECLARE A FIVE-MINUTE COMFORT AND STRETCH BREAK.

>> I AM GOING TO RECONVENE THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING AT THIS TIME. I AM GOING TO ASK ON THE REMAINING AGENDA ITEMS THAT APPLICANTS LIMITED THEIR COMMENTS. I WAS INFORMED THAT AT THE PCC MEETINGS, THEY ARE USUALLY LIMITED TO FIVE MINUTES

[3.  Public Hearing to consider COMP 24-0024 and ZON 24-0032. (District 4, Comm Condon) (J. Bryla)]

>> YOU THINK YOU SAID 24. THIS IS 25 ON HERE.

>> EXCUSE ME. IF YOU'RE AT THE TYPO ON MY PART. WE ASK THAT YOU PRESENT THE LAND-USE PORTION FIRST AND THEN THE

ZONING PORTION. >> THANK YOU. AND CHAIR, THE NEXT APPLICATION IS ON THE SAME PIECE OF PROPERTY , SO I'M HAPPY TO MAKE TWO SEPARATE PRESENTATIONS, OR I CAN INCLUDED IN THIS ONE PRESENTATION AND YOU WOULD YOU

THREE SEPARATE VOTES. >> IT SOMETHING IT WOULD BE MORE EFFICIENT TO COMBINE, SO PLEASE DO.

>> SO, AGAIN, IF YOU WILL FOLLOW ALONG IN THE POWERPOINT THAT I GAVE YOU FOR COMP 24-0024 , AGAIN , I AM THE ZONING CHIEF HERE TO PRESENT A SMALL-SCALE COMP PLAN AMENDMENT. THIS IS AN APPLICANT INITIATED MET WITH THE COMPANION ZONING PIECE ZON 24-0032, AND THEN AN ADDITIONAL ZONING REQUEST FOR THE SAME PROPERTY, WHICH IS ZON 24-0031 . SO, IF YOU WILL LOOK ON THE AERIAL, THIS TOTAL PARCEL IS OUTLINED IN BLUE ON THE GRAPHIC THERE. THE REAR HALF OR NORTHWESTERN PORTION OF THE PARCEL IS NOT REQUESTING ANY CHANGES. IT'S CURRENTLY AR, AND THE FRONT HALF OR THE SOUTHWESTERN PORTION IS REQUESTING TO REZONE

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>> EXCUSE ME. DEPUTY, COULD WE HAVE THE DOOR CLOSED? THANK

YOU. >> SO, ON THE NEXT SLIDE, IT SHOWS THAT THE PROJECT IS BEING REPRESENTED BY MS. FRASER WITH SLS CONSULTING. THE ADDRESS IS 5400 COUNTY ROAD 218 . IS LOCATED IN MIDDLEBURG CLAY HILL AREA. IT'S IN THE CLAY HILL OVERLAY , AND IT IS IN A COMMISSIONERS DISTRICT. THE PARCEL IS TO POINT TO THREE TOTAL ACRES, AND IN THE PORTION THAT IS HAVING THE FUTURE LAND USE CHANGE IS .025 ACRES. AS WELL AS THE REZONING FOR THAT STRIP ACROSS THE PROPERTY. AS NOTED, THE SITE IS A VERY SMALL PORTION OF THE LOT. 0.05 ACRES THAT REZONED ALONG WITH THE OTHER LANDS THERE ALONG THE 218 CORRIDOR. IN ORDER TO MAKE THE BACK PORTION OF THE LOTS COMPLIANT WITH THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, THE APPLICANT NEEDS TO ADD TO THE .05 ACRES TO MAKE ONE ACRE. SO, YOU CAN SEE THAT TINY SLIVER OF LAND THERE. THE EXISTING LAND USE FOR THE PIECE OF PROPERTY IS COMMERCIAL , AND THEY ARE REQUESTING RURAL RESIDENTIAL CONSISTENT WITH THE PARCEL TO THE NORTHEAST. AND THEN ON THE NEXT SLIDE, YOU CAN SEE THE REMAINING EXISTING ZONING FOR THE FRONT PARCEL IS BA TWO, AND THEY REQUESTING THAT THAT GO TO A BB TO ZONING. BUT I WILL SPEAK TO THAT IN JUST A MOMENT. SO, THE COMP PLAN IS REQUESTING TO GO , AGAIN, WITH THE COMMERCIAL COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE -- YES, THE COMMERCIAL LAND USE DESIGNATION TO AR LAND-USE DESIGNATION SO THAT IT MATCHES THE NORTHEAST PORTION OF THE

PROPERTY. >> MAY I PLEASE MAKE A REQUEST? BECAUSE THERE IS NO VIDEO FOR US, WE ARE UNABLE TO ANYTHING BEING PRESENTED TO YOU. SO, WE LIKE TO ASK FOR A COPY SO WE CAN FOLLOW ALONG WITH THE PRESENTATION PLEASE?

>> HERE ARE MINE. I HAVE THE MEMORIZED.

>> I HAVE ANOTHER ONE. >> YOU HAVE IT?

>> AND HERE IS THE 30 ONE PIECE.

>> SO, THIS SHOWS THAT WE HAVE DONE PUBLIC NOTIFICATION FOR THE PROJECT, AND I RECEIVED NO LETTERS OF COMPLAINT OR CONCERN. AND THEN ON THE PIECE IN THE FRONT THAT IS CURRENTLY THE COMMERCIAL PEWS , WHICH IS OWNED BE A TWO, AS I SAID, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING TO GO TO A BB TWO DESIGNATION , WHICH WOULD ADD ADDITIONAL INTENSIVE USES ON THAT PROPERTY, AND THE APPLICANT HAS NOT PROVIDED AN END-USER FOR THAT. SO, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING DENIAL OF THE REZONING PIECE, AND APPROVAL OF THE COMP PLAN PIECE IN THE ACCOMPANYING REZONING FOR THE COMP PLAN PIECE. DOES THAT MAKE ANY SENSE?

>> THAT MAKES PERFECT SENSE. VERY GOOD!

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>> AT THE END OF IT ALL, WHAT WOULD ADD TO THAT PARCEL?

>> IT WOULD NOT THAT THE FRONT PIECE WOULD REMAIN BA TWO, AND IN THE BACK THESE WICKED ACRE, WHICH IS THE .05 , IT WOULD BE A LAND-USE DESIGNATION OF AR -- YES. A LAND-USE DESIGNATION OF

AR. >> SO THAT WOULD NOT SAY THAT

LITTLE HALF-ACRE PIECE? >> IS NOT EVEN AN ACRE. HIS

.05. >> IT'S NOT AR. IS RURAL

RESIDENTIAL. >> THANK YOU. THE ZONING WOULD

BE AR. >> DO WE HAVE OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF AT THIS TIME? AND NO TO THAT WE ARE COVERING PUBLIC HEARINGS THREE AND FOUR, BECAUSE THEY ARE CONTINUOUS

PARCELS. >> SO, WE WILL DISCUSS THE BA TO ZONING , ALONG WITH .05. OKAY.

>> SO, THERE IS A COMP PLAN AND A REZONING FOR THE SLIVER, THE

.05. >> OKAY.

>> AND THEN THERE IS JUST A REZONING FOR THE PHH.

>> IT WOULD RECOVER ALL RESIDENTIAL AND AR.

>> THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF THAT IS TO GET THE BACK PORTION A FULL

ONE ACRE. >> CORRECT.

>> AT THEM A BUILDABLE LOT. >> ALL RIGHT. ARE YOU READY TO HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT? MORE QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME? YOU MAY CONTINUE.

>> I WOULD ASK THAT WE DISCUSSED THE RESIDENTIAL PORTION FIRST , SO THERE IS SOME UNDERSTANDING OF WHY WE ARE HERE FOR THAT. THAT WE CAN GO ONTO THE OTHER. SO, I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO PROVIDE SOME CLARIFICATION. I THINK THE COMMENT WASN'T THERE IS A FRONT HALF AND A REAR HALF, HOWEVER, THE PROPERTY IS THREE-POINT 23 ACRES. SO, REAR IS NOT A HALF, IT IS ONE ACRE. SO, IT'S ONE THIRD , ABOUT ONE ACRE, AND THE FRONT IS TO POINT TO THREE. SO, SOME OF THE MAPS, THAT'S WHY AM LOOKING TO ASK TO SEE THE MAPS. IN PARTICULAR, IT LOOKS LIKE IT IS HALF AND HALF , BUT IT IS NOT. IT IS TWO THIRDS AND A THIRD. SO, THE REASON WE ARE HERE TONIGHT IS REALLY THE PETITION THT SUSAN FRASER IN JACKSONVILLE, SORRY, I'M HERE VISITING THE OWNER. I WAS RETAINED TO BRING TO YOU A PETITION TO CONSIDER THE ZONING, THE COMMERCIAL ZONING ON THE FRONT PIECE OF THE PROPERTY. THE 300 FEET. AND FOR THOSE OF YOU HAVE BEEN HERE AS LONG AS I HAVE , YOU WILL KNOW THAT THE COUNTY IN 1991 ADOPTED ITS ORIGINAL COPPERHEADS OF PLAN , AND AT THAT TIME, THE COUNTY WAS DESIGNATING COMMERCIAL CORRIDORS IN THE COUNTY. SO, PRIOR TO 1991, COMMERCIAL ZONING WAS KIND OF SPOTTED. LANDING WAS A QUARTER OF COMMERCIAL, BUT ON 220, YOU HAD TWO PARCELS. ON 218, YOU HAD A COMMERCIAL PARCEL AND THREE HOUSES. AND THREE COMMERCIAL PARCELS AND THREE HOUSES. SO, IT WAS JUST SPORADIC AT THAT POINT. SO, UNDER THE PLANNING EFFORTS THAT WE DID IN 1991, AND THE MANY HEARINGS WE HAD IN THE COMMUNITIES, THE GOAL WAS TO CREATE A NODE OF COMMERCIAL.

SO, WE DID THAT. THE ACTION WAS TAKEN BY THE COUNTY COMMISSION AT THAT TIME, I WAS THE CHIEF PLANNER . HE CONNECTED COMMERCIAL THAT HAD EXISTED. IF THERE WAS A BE A PARCEL IN THREE RESIDENTIAL PARCELS IN A COUPLE OF BB PARCELS, WHICH IS KIND OF WHERE WE ARE IN THIS PIECE , THE CONFERENCE OF PLAN CONNECTED THAT AND SAID THAT SHOULD BE COMMERCIAL ZONING. A NO TO, AND NOT HOUSES NEXT TO COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT. SO, THERE WAS A DECISION UNDER THE COPPERHEADS OF PLAN. THE DECISION AT THAT POINT WAS AT THOSE COMMERCIAL CORRIDORS -- THOSE COMMERCIAL PARCELS WOULD BE 300 FEET DEEP. SO, WE WENT ALONG, AND EVERYWHERE IN THE COUNTY WHERE WE WERE BRIDGING BETWEEN COMMERCIAL THAT ALREADY EXISTED , THE DEPTH WE MADE THE COMMERCIAL NODE WAS 300 FEET. SO, YOU SEE THIS ALL OVER THE COUNTY , AGAIN, BACK TO 1991. THE STATUTE AT THAT TIME SAID THAT THE COUNTY -- THAT THE ZONING MUST BE CONSISTENT WITH THE LAND-USE. THE COUNTY WENT IN AND GREETED PARCELS AND NOTE THAT THAT THIS IS COMMERCIAL LAND USE. IT THEN HAD TO ADMINISTRATIVELY REZONE THESE PROPERTIES TO COMMERCIAL

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MS. CARSON TONIGHT SAID THAT IS NOT THE CASE, AND THAT YOU CAN REPLACE IT MOBILE HOME TO STICK BUILT, STICK BUILT TO MOBILE HOME , AND I AM NOT SO SURE THAT THE POLICY THAT IS IN THE AGENDA, WHICH I DO NOT HAVE , IS THAT SPECIFIC. WHEN I TALKED TO MIKE, I SAY DO I NEED TO DO THIS LAND-USE CHANGE? AND THIS ZONING CHANGE? SET A GREAT COST AND EFFORT TO MY CLIENT? MY LANDOWNER? IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO THIS NEW AMENDMENT TONIGHT? AND HE SAID, WELL, IT CAN ONLY BE A MOBILE HOME, IT COULD ONLY BE THE SIZE OF THE CURRENT MOBILE HOME , AND YOU COULD NOT DO ANYTHING ELSE. WE WERE LIKE, OKAY. THAT'S BETTER THAN WHAT I HAVE TODAY . BUT IT ISN'T THE ABILITY TO REBUILD. IF SOMEBODY BOUGHT THIS PROPERTY FROM MY LANDOWNER TODAY AND WANTED TO BUILD BUILD A STICK BUILT HOUSE , I WOULD UNDERSTOOD AFTER TALKING TO MIKE THAT I WOULD NOT BE PERMITTED UNDER THE POLICY. SO, WE WENT FOR IT AND APPLIED A LAND-USE CHANGE ON FIVE FEET, FIVE MORE FEET , TO ADD TO THE RESIDENTIAL LAND USE , TO ADD TO THE RESIDENTIAL ZONING SO THAT THAT MOBILE HOME IS NOT NOW ON A ONE ACRE LOT. IT'S CONFORMING , IT CAN BURN DOWN, IT CAN BE A HOUSE, IT CAN BE ALL OF THESE THINGS BASED ON ITS AR ZONING. WHAT WE ARE ASKING YOU IN THE FIRST ITEM, NUMBER THREE, IS TO HELP US MAKE THAT LOT CONFORMING . NO ONE DID IT ON PURPOSE. THE

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ON THE LOT. >> IF YOU WOULD LIKE US TO GO AHEAD AND JUST DEAL WITH I DON'T NUMBER THREE --

>> AT YOUR PLEASURE, HONESTLY. >> OKAY. WE WILL DO IT THAT WAY. YES. I UNDERSTAND THAT. WE ALSO DO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS ITEM NUMBER THREE. SO, I'M GOING TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. I DO NOT HAVE ANY CARDS ON ITEM NUMBER THREE. SO, I'M SEEING NO ONE. AND THIS IS FOR A FIVE FOOT STRIP OF PROPERTY OUT ON COUNTY ROAD 218. WITH NO ONE COMING FORWARD, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND BRING THIS

ITEM BACK TO THE COMMISSION. >> MA'AM?

>> JUST ONE QUESTION. >> SURE.

>> I GOT A LITTLE BIT CONFUSED. I APOLOGIZE AT THE OPENING. IS THIS THE SECTION THAT STAFF HAD RECOMMENDED APPROVAL FOR?

>> CORRECT. YES. >> OKAY. IT MAKES SENSE TO ME, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I WAS ON THE SAME PAGE. THANK

YOU. >> ARE YOU READY FOR A MOTION?

>> NO. I HAVE A QUESTION! I JUST WANT TO CONFIRM THE LAND-USE FIRST OF ALL. THE FUTURE LAND USE. IS IT AGGIE

RESIDENTIAL OR RESIDENTIAL? >> RURAL RESIDENTIAL. WHEN UNIT PER ACRE. OR ONE EVERY FIVE ACRES. OKAY.

>> THE LAND-USE AND THE ZONING COMBINE HAS A MINIMUM LOT SIZE

OF ONE ACRE. >> OKAY. OKAY. I JUST WANT TO BE SURE , BECAUSE I WAS UNDER THE MISTAKEN IMPRESSION THAT THAT AREA , BECAUSE IT WAS ABOUT FOUR LOTS DOWN FROM THERE , WAS ONE PER FIVE. SO, WE ARE ALL CERTAIN IT IS ONE PER ONE.

>> WITH THE ZONING, IT ALLOWS IT TO BE ONE PER ONE.

>> OKAY. BUT THE LAND-USE IS A ONE PER FIVE, BUT THE ZONING WOULD ALLOW IN PARTICULAR, WHICH I ALLOW, I JUST WANT TO CONFIRM FOR THE CLIENT AND THE APPLICANT SAKE THAT THEY, YOU KNOW, THAT I AM OBVIOUSLY MISTAKEN HERE. I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THIS PARTICULAR PART OF IT.

>> OKAY. ARE THERE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS BY THE COMMISSIONER?

SORRY READY FOR A MOTION? >> YES.

>> OKAY. WE WILL NEED A MOTION ON THE LAND-USE FIRST, AND THEN

ON THE ZONING. >> MADAM CHAIR, I MOVE APPROVAL OF THE STAFF REPORT ON COMP 24-0024 .

>> SECOND. >> WE HAVE A MOTION IN A SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL OF THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE

SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. >> AYE.

>> AYE. >> AYE.

>> ANY OPPOSED, SAY THE SAME SIGN. NOW WE NEED A MOTION ON

THE ZONING CHANGE. >> MADAM CHAIR, IS IT ZON 24-0032 THAT APPLIES TO THIS? SAY MOTION TO APPROVE THE STAFF

REPORT FOR ZON 24-0032. >> IT'S CHANGING .05 BY AN

ACRE. >> WE HAVE A MOTION IN A SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?? ALL OF THOSE IN

FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE? >> AYE.

>> AYE. >> AYE.

>> NOW WE ARE READY TO -- >>

>> HE DID SAY 24. >>

>> IT'S RIGHT ON THE SHEET I WAS READING FROM. THANK YOU FOR CHECKING, THOUGH. WE HAD THAT MISTAKE EARLIER IN THE MEETING!

[4.  Public Hearing to consider ZON 24-0031. (District 4, Comm. Condon) ( J. Bryla)]

>> ALL RIGHT. AT THIS TIME, I THINK WE ARE READY TO MOVE TO ITEM FOUR. MS. FRAZIER, I DON'T BELIEVE YOU HAVE SPOKEN

TO THAT? >> NO, THANK YOU. SO, PART OF WHAT I JUST TOLD YOU IS HOW WE GOT HERE. SO, IT'S COMMERCIAL ZONE ZONING APPLIED BY CLAY COUNTY IN 1992 TWO A 300 FOOT DEPTH. RIGHT? WE JUST CHANGE THAT TO 295 FEET BY YOUR ACTION. SO, THE ZONING WAS AN A COUNTY WITH AN INTENT TO ASSIGN THE MOST LOADED ZONING DISTRICT AT THE TIME. AND IF YOU CAN LOOK AT THE MAP THAT I GAVE YOU, I HANDED IT OUT . YOU CAN SEE WHY THE ZONE WAS CREATED IN 1991. THIS PROPERTY ON THE NORTH SIDE, NORTHEAST SIDE OF COUNTY ROAD 218 IS SURROUNDED BY BE THE ZONING. THE PD ZONING HAPPENED IN THE 1980S. THAT ZONING WAS EXISTING AT THE TIME OF A COMP PLAN IN 1991, SO AS A

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SO, THAT IS WHY HAS BA2 ZONING. ON THE SOUTHSIDE OF 218 , WE HAVE BB AT THE CORNER OF MALLARD ON BOTH SIDES . SEE THE LITTLE BA? THAT WOULD HAVE EXISTED BEFORE 1991 . SO, THE BRIDGE THAT YOU SEE ON THE SOUTHSIDE WITH THE COUNTY'S ADMINISTRATION TO REZONING IN 1992. THAT LANDOWNER DID NOT ASK FOR BA2. THE DON'T ASK FOR COMMERCIAL. THE COUNTY SAID WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE COMMERCIAL AND IN-HOUSE AND TWO HOUSES, AND THE COMMERCIAL. WE TOOK THAT ACTION AS A COUNTY TO CREATE THIS NODE AT MALLARD AND COUNTY ROAD 218 BACK IN 1992.

THIS PROPERTY, WE ARE SEEKING A ZONING DISTRICT. AGAIN, ANOTHER HISTORY PART OF THIS. ZONING EXISTED IN CLAY COUNTY UP UNTIL 1999 . I CALL IT THE NUCLEAR POWER PLANT ZONING BECAUSE WE ALLOWED EVERYTHING FROM COFFEE SHOPS TO NUCLEAR POWER PLANTS IN ONE ZONING DISTRICT. THE COUNTY HAD A MUCH MORE SIMPLE ZONING CODE , SO PEOPLE WHO WANTED TO BUILD COFFEE SHOPS CANNOT GET THEIR ZONING APPROVED BECAUSE THEY WERE ACCUSED OF BUILDING NUCLEAR POWER PLANT! BECAUSE THE USE, THE RANGE OF INTENSITY OF USE WAS SWIFT. IN 1999, THE COUNTY SUNSET AT THE BB ZONING DISTRICT. IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT ZONING IN ARTICLE TWO, IT'S AS IF YOU HAVE ZONING BY WHATEVER DATE IN 1999, YOU CAN HAVE IT ANYMORE. AT THE SAME TIME, IT CREATED BB ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, AND FIVE. OF THE USES AND BB ENDED THEY SAID THIS KIND OF INTENSITY, THAT KIND OF INTENSITY, AND THEY DIVIDED THEM UP. NOW YOU CAN ASK FOR SOMETHING THAT IS KIND OF LIKE WHAT YOU WANTED TO DO, AND YOU WILL NOT BE ACCUSED OF MAYBE WANTING TO DO NEFARIOUS THINGS.

SO, AS YOU KNOW, I HAVE DONE LOTS OF ZONING. IF YOU ARE HERE WITH FLEMING ISLAND, WE DID THE ZONING BETWEEN PACE ISLAND AND COUNTY ROAD 220 , THERE WAS ABOUT FIVE REZONINGS I DID IN A ROW. AND THEY ALL HAD THE ZONING DISTRICTS. THERE WAS A PUD, AND THEY HAD ALL THESE LISTS THE ZONING DISTRICT.

YOU'VE HEARD ME SAY 100 TIMES, CLAY COUNTY HAS THE MOST DESCRIPTIVE ZONING CATEGORY YOU HAVE EVER SEEN. YOU CAN SELL BLUE DRESSES BUT NOT YELLOW DRESSES. YOU CAN SELL BIG SHOES BUT NOT LITTLE SHOES. THE DESCRIPTION OF USES IS FOUR PAGES LONG. SO, THESE ARE THE USES THAT ARE ALLOWED IN THE COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS IN CLAY COUNTY. IT TAKES FOUR PAGES TO WRITE THEM OUT. SO, WHAT I HAVE PROVIDED TO YOU HERE IS THE FIRST COLUMN IS BB. THAT IS WHAT WE ARE SURROUNDED BY. SO, EVERYBODY AROUND US CAN HAVE THE USES IN THAT FIRST COLUMN.

BB. BA2 IS WHAT WE HAVE. IF YOU LOOK AT THAT COLUMN TO FIND A PERMITTED USE , YOU HAVE TO GO TO PAGE TWO , AND IS ALREADY ONE PERMITTED USE. IT'S CALLED COMMERCIAL AND PROFESSIONAL OFFICE. IT IS ACTUALLY LIMITED TO A MAXIMUM OF 2500 SQUARE FEET. THAT'S THE ZONING WE HAVE TODAY. EVERYBODY AROUND US CAN HAVE EVERYONE OF THOSE USES LISTED . BUT WE CAN HAVE BB. WE LOVE BB, BUT WE CAN HAVE BB ANYMORE. WE ARE SEEKING BB TWO.

BB TWO IS A THIRD COLUMN. EVERYTHING YOU SEE IN THE LIST OF USES THAT IS RED AND BOLD , THOSE ARE USES THAT OUR NEIGHBORS AT BB CAN HAVE THAT WE CANNOT HAVE. SO, THESE ARE BB USES THAT EVERYBODY AROUND US CAN BUILD , BUT WE CANNOT.

THERE IS SOME IN COMMON. THERE ARE QUITE A NUMBER IN COMMON , AND WE ARE HAPPY TO BB TWO. DON'T GET ME WRONG. EVERYBODY AROUND US CAN HAVE MUCH MORE INTENSE USES. AS I SAID, NUCLEAR POWER PLANTS , YOU CAN HAVE A LOT OF LIGHT INDUSTRIAL STUFF. CUSTOM ELECTRICAL SHOPS. FARM TRACTOR EQUIPMENT SALES.

FEED AND HAY PROCESSING SALES. SO, IN BB, YOU CAN DO A LOT OF THINGS. INDOOR FIRING RANGES. LUMBERYARD IMMATERIAL SALES.

OUTDOOR DRIVE-IN THEATERS. AGAIN, IT WAS KIND OF THE COUNTIES YOU WANT COMMERCIAL ZONING, GO TO WHAT YOU LIKE TO

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SO, IF YOU LOOK AT THE TOP OF PAGE TWO, BOTH IN BB AND BB TO , SO, THE PEOPLE AROUND US AND WHAT WE WANT, YOU CAN HAVE A CONVENIENCE STORE WITH BEER AND WINE , AND IN THE MIDDLE OF PAGE TWO, IN BOTH, YOU CAN HAVE GAS SALES. SO, GAS SALES, YOU CAN HAVE A GARAGE OR A PAIR OF CAR WASH IN BB TWO, BUT YOU CAN HAVE GAS SALES. YOU CAN HAVE A CONVENIENCE STORE WITH GAS SALES IN BOTH. SO, I THINK IT'S THE WAY IT IS WRITTEN.

EVERY TIME I READ IT, I THINK YOU CAN HAVE IT, AND THEN IT'S CALLED SOMETHING ELSE, AND THEN YOU CAN, BECAUSE IS JUST THE WAY THE CODE IS. SO, I WOULD OFFER TO YOU THAT WHAT WE ARE ASKING FOR A SIGNIFICANTLY LESS INTENSE THAN WHAT SURROUNDS US IN BB. AND THAT THERE ARE MANY, MANY USES THAT YOU CAN HAVE ON ADJACENT PROPERTIES THAT WE CANNOT. THAT THE COUNTY INTENDED BE A TWO TO BE REZONED WHEN IT BECAME TIME TO DEVELOP.

AND JUST KNOW THAT. IT DID NOT INTEND PROFESSIONAL OFFICES ARE THE ONLY IS ALLOWED. THE STAFF REPORT SAYS THE COUNTY ROAD TO 18 IS A MAJOR COLLECTOR . IT'S INTENDED OF THE CLAY HILL OVERLAY STANDARD SAYS IT IS A TWO LANE NOW. SUPPOSED TO BE A FOUR LANE ROAD. SO, IT IS SUITABLE FOR THE TYPE OF USES THAT WE ARE ASKING FOR BOTH AS A TRANSPORTATION CORRIDOR IN AN AREA AROUND IT. THIS AREA SUBJECT TO THE CLAY HILL DESIGN STANDARD, SO, THAT BIG BLACK HASH MARK YOU SEE OVER THIS IS OVER THE COUNTIES MAP. SO, CLAY HILL, MR. GARRISON, SHINING STAR. IN 2011, THE COMPANY ADOPTED THE CLAY HILL DESIGN STANDARDS, AND I WILL SPEAK TO MR. GARRISON BECAUSE HE WORKED SO HARD ON THEM, BUT IT WAS REFLECTIVE OF LAKE AS BARRY. IT WAS WE DON'T WANT BLANDING BOULEVARD CHARACTER. THE POLL SIGNS, THE METAL BUILDINGS , ALL OF THE THINGS THAT MAKE BLANDING BOULEVARD STATICALLY DISPLEASING. SO, THE COUNTY ADOPTED THE CLAY HILL STANDARD. THIS PROPERTY, WHEN DEVELOPED, WILL BE SUBJECT TO THE STANDARDS. THEIR ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS FOR BUILDINGS UNDER 500,000 SQUARE FEET BETWEEN 5000 AND 40,000 SQUARE FEET. I WILL OFFER TO YOU READY TO .2 ACRE PARCEL, WE ARE LOOKING AT ABOUT 16 TO 18,000 SQUARE FEET MAX. SO, WE WILL NOT BE A WALMART, BUT WE WILL NOT BE, YOU KNOW, A 2500 SQUARE FOOT LITTLE BUILDING EITHER. WE WOULD BE SUBJECT TO ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS, WHICH SAY CRACKER STYLE AND KEY WEST STYLE , THERE ARE STANDARDS FOR PORCHES, ROOFS, WALL MATERIALS, SHUTTERS . THERE IS NO EXTERIOR STORAGE ALLOWED IN THIS CLAY HILL DISTRICT, NO MATTER WHAT ZONING YOU HAVE. THERE'S NO EXTERIOR STORAGE ALLOWED. THERE ARE STANDARDS FOR FUEL CANOPY ON GAS STATIONS. CLEARLY GAS STATIONS WERE CONTEMPLATED IN THIS CORRIDOR. DRIVE-THROUGH RESTAURANTS, THEY ALL HAVE DESIGN STANDARDS . THERE ARE LIGHTING STANDARDS AND SIGNING STANDARDS, AND THEY ARE VERY REFLECTIVE OF WHAT YOU SEE IN LIKE AS BARRY. SO, THE GROUP THAT WORKED ON THIS, THESE STANDARDS TOOK WHAT THEY LIKED ABOUT LAKE ASBURY , TOOK WHAT THEY WANTED FOR THEIR COMMUNITY, AND CREATED A SET OF STANDARDS. REGARDLESS OF WHAT ZONING WE HAVE ON THIS PROPERTY, WE HAVE TO MEET THOSE STANDARDS. WE MET WITH THE CAC A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO , AND WE HAD A UNANIMOUS VOTE FOR APPROVAL. LINDA JOHNSON IS ON THAT CAC, AND SHE IS SUPPORTIVE OF OUR APPLICATION. SHE UNDERSTOOD THE ZONING CONCEPT AND WHAT WAS PERMITTED AND HOW IT WAS NOT BB ZONING THAT WE WERE SEEKING. SO, THE SUPPORT WAS REALLY FOR A RECOGNITION OF WHAT IS ADJACENT TO THE PROPERTY AND WHAT CAN BE DEVELOPED IN THIS AREA. SO, THE STAFF REPORT DOES SAY ON THE RECOMMENDATION FOR DENIAL , IT

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MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT CRITERIA IS THERE IS NO SPECIFIC USE IDENTIFIED. I HAVE DONE ZONING'S HERE FOR AN EXCESS OF 30 YEARS AND HAVE MADE APPLICATIONS FOR STREET ZONING CATEGORIES SEEKING PERMITTED IN CONDITIONAL USES IN THE DISTRICT. AND THEY ARE ROUTINELY APPROVED. WE ARE SEEKING THE RANGE OF PERMITTED USES IN THE ZONING DISTRICT PERMITTED IN CONDITIONAL SUBJECT TO THOSE CONDITIONS , CLEARLY SUBJECT TO CLAY HILL STANDARDS. AND I'M HAPPY TO

ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. >> GO AHEAD , COMMISSIONER

ANZALONE. >> ON THIS PARTICULAR ZONING DISTRICT , WHAT IS PERMITTED UNDER TIER?

>> AND SO, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE TOP, C, S AS A ZONING DISTRICT IS 3-25 , 3-22, AND 3-26 POINT ONE , THE FIRST THING UNDER THE DISTRICT 'S IT IS ALSO PERMITTED IN 3-24. ALSO PERMITTED IN -- SO, CLAY COUNTY HAS A TEAR DISOWNING SYSTEM THAT SAYS IF YOU HAVE ZONING DISTRICT BB , THAT IS A SECTION OF THE CODE , ALSO PERMITTED ARE THE USES IN 3-22, 3-23 AND 3-24. SO, THE NOTICE IS PERMITTED UNDER THE TEAR, THEY ARE PERMITTED IN 22, 23, OR 24. THERE PERMITTED IN DISTRICTS UNDERNEATH THE ZONING CATEGORY. SO, THEY ARE PERMITTED BUT NOT

LISTED SPECIFICALLY . >> I GET THAT. WHAT IS C?

>> C IS CONDITIONAL. ANOTHER IS A SECTION THAT SAYS --

>> THERE WAS A FOOT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

>> SO, WHATEVER CONDITIONS HAVE TO APPLY OR ANYTHING.

>> ARE READY TO GO TO PUBLIC HEARING?

>> I JUST HAD A QUESTION. >> FIRST OFF, I HAD THE SAME QUESTION THAT COMMISSIONER ANZALONE HAD ABOUT THAT CHART, SO THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THAT. SECOND, IT WOULD BE NICE TO SEE BELINDA JOHNSON COME BACK. THOSE OF US WHO SERVE A PEER WITH HER MISS HER. SHE WAS ALWAYS VERY INFORMED. MY ONLY QUESTION IS , I UNDERSTAND THAT THE INTENDED USE HAS NOT BEEN SHARED IT WITH STAFF. CAN YOU TELL US WITH THE INTENDED USE

WILL BE FOR THE PARCEL? >> MY NAME IS MICKEY HALL. I DON'T HAVE A USE AT THIS TIME , BUT WHAT I AM ASKING FOR IS RETAIL AT THE MEETING. THE STAFF THERE DID NOT WANT OFFICES. THEY SAY WE NEED SOMETHING OUT HERE. RETAIL! MY COMMENT TO THEM WAS I DON'T LIVE HERE. SO, WHY WOULD I BUILD SOMETHING THAT I WANT? WANT TO BUILD SOMETHING THAT YOU GUYS WANT. SO, THEY CAME BACK AND SAID WE WANT THIS, THIS, THIS, AND THIS. AND EVERY BIT OF THAT WAS RETAIL. THERE WERE NO OFFICES THEY WANT OUT THERE IN THIS POINT IN TIME. 10 YEARS FROM NOW, MAYBE, BUT ALL THE COMMENTS WHERE WE WANT RETAIL. WHAT I HAVE DONE NOW IS I HAVE ASKED NUMEROUS PEOPLE, WHAT YOU WANT? AND I AM GETTING ALL KINDS OF FEEDBACK. BUT I HAVE NOT COME TO THAT. I DON'T GET TO A BANK AND BORROW MONEY.

I USE IT OUT OF MY POCKET. IF I FILE BANKRUPTCY, THAT'S AGAINST ME. I NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT MY DAUGHTERS DO WHAT I NEEDED TO DO TO BRING IN CUSTOMERS. IF I AM NOT BRINGING IN CUSTOMERS , I AIN'T GOT NOBODY TO BLAME BUT MYSELF.

THAT IS WHY THERE ARE PEOPLE OUT HERE, AND I HAVE LIVED OUT HERE BEFORE. I USED TO WORK FOR A BARBECUE JOINT IF YOU REMEMBER. WHY WOULD I BUILD SOMETHING THAT IS NOT WANTED OUT THERE? AND WHAT THEY WANT OUT THERE IS RETAIL. BUT AT THIS POINT IN TIME , SPECIFICALLY WHAT DO THEY WANT? I DON'T KNOW. BUT I HAVE TO BE VERY CAUTIOUS, BECAUSE IT IS MY MONEY THAT I AM PUTTING OUT THERE. AND I HAVE BUILT ALL OVER CLAY COUNTY. I HAVE BUILT BEAUTIFUL BUILDINGS. YOU CAN GO ACROSS THE STREET AND SEE THE BUILDINGS BACK THERE. I'VE GOT OFFICES IN APARTMENTS THERE I HAVE BUILT. AGAIN, OUT OF MY MONEY. IF I'M SPENDING MY MONEY, NOBODY WANTS IT AND NOBODY WILL COME TO IT. SO, I HAVE TO BE VERY JUDICIOUS IN SPENDING THOSE DOLLARS. I ASK YOU A QUESTION. NOT YET, BUT IT IS GOING TO BE RETAIL. BUT I HAVE TO GET THE ZONING TO GET

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REQUESTING. >> I APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU. BUT YEAH, I HAVE A COUPLE OF COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS. WHAT IS GOING ON THERE WITH THE PROPERTY NOW?

>> OKAY. THAT NURSING SCHOOL , I HAVE BEEN BEGGING THAT OWNER THAT I BOUGHT FROM, PLEASE FILL THAT POND IN! WHEN I BOUGHT IT, I DID NOT KNOW THERE WAS A POND THERE. IT WAS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO BUY IT, AND WHEN I GOT THERE, I, EXCAVATOR GUYS TO TEAR DOWN THAT FENCE, AND ALL OF THOSE TREES THAT WERE IN THAT POND, THAT POND IS SEVEN FEET DEEP! A MAN NAMED JEFF, HIS WIFE OWNS THE NURSING SCHOOL . HE CAME TO ME WHEN HE FOUND OUT I OWNED IT AND SAID PLEASE FILL THAT POND IN. HECK YEAH, I WILL FILL IT IN! IT'S A NUISANCE! ONE, IT IS A PUBLIC NUISANCE , WHICH THE COUNTY COULD BE LIABLE, AND TWO, IT IS UNATTRACTIVE NUISANCE THAT I AM GOING TO BE LIABLE FOR. SO, THE COMMON SENSE THING TO DO WAS A LAWYER IS GOING TO BE A HOME MORE THAN 22,400 BUCKS IF SOMEBODY GOT INJURED. THAT'S WHAT I PUT ON THAT POND. WANTED 25 LOADS OF THAT DIRT.

>> ALL OF THAT DIRT, THE MOUNTAIN OF DIRT IS STILL THERE

-- >> YEAH, BUT IT'S GOING AWAY.

RIGHT NOW, IT'S SO CHARGING THE EARTH, AND THAT POND ON THERE, THEY NEEDED A PLACE TO PUT IT. IT'S STORED HERE. BUT I TOOK OUT OF THAT. MY DEAL WAS WE WILL BRING OUR EQUIPMENT IN, BUT I HAVE TO PAY FOR IT TO FILL IN THAT POND. THAT WAS MY BIGGEST DRIVING FACTOR THAT DAY. BUT IF YOU NOTICE, THAT

AMOUNT OF DIRT HAS GONE DOWN. >> I ASSUMED IT HAS SOMETHING

TO DO IT -- >> I HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE

OTHER STOCKPILE ON IT. >> WHO PUT THE SIGN UP ADVERTISING FOR THE ZONING CHANGE?

>> I DID. >>, FRONTAGES ON THE PROPERTY?

>> 300 FEET. >> SO, WE WENT ME WHY YOU PICKED THE SPOT THAT YOU PICK THE TO PUT THE SIGN?

>> WELL, THE SHERIFF HAD HER SIGN THEIR , AND I DID NOT WANT TO INTERFERE WITH HER STUFF. THERE IS ANOTHER SIGN THERE THAT ONE TIME. SO, THEY WERE THERE, SO I JUST MOVED IT OVER NEXT TO THE NURSING SCHOOL. THERE IS NO REASON.

>> IT DID NOT KNOW -- I LIVE OUT THERE.

>> I KNOW WHERE YOU LIVE. >> OKAY. FOR ME PERSONALLY AND EMOTIONALLY , AND MY CONCERN FOR THAT WHOLE AREA RIGHT THERE , I DRIVE DOWN THAT ROAD MULTIPLE TIMES PER WEEK AND NEVER SAW THE FINE ONE TIME. I SEE THE AGENDA, WHAT? SOMETHING GOING ON DOWN THERE? LET ME SEE. YOU SEE A SIGNED ON THERE.

I DROVE DOWN THERE. AS YOU ARE HEADING WEST, YOU CANNOT SEE THE SIGN. THE SIGN IS TUCKED UP NEXT TO A TREE BACK OFF OF THE ROAD A LITTLE BIT. I GO DOWN, MAKE A U-TURN, AND I CAN SEE IT AS I COME BACK BECAUSE I AM LOOKING FOR IT. I DON'T KNOW WHAT STAFF DIRECTION IS, BUT IF YOU HAVE A 300 FOOT WIDE PIECE OF PROPERTY , PUTTING THE SIGN ADVERTISING ZONING, AND AGREE WITH THE, THE LADY MADE PREVIOUSLY, YOU CANNOT READ THOSE. WAY BACK IN THE DAY, THEY HAD BIG TWO, THREE INCH NUMBERS , AND YOU CAN GO LOOK IT UP. IS NO WAY. YOU HAVE TO GO OUT AND STOP AND LOOK AT IT. I DUNNO, THAT'S A SIGN ISSUE.

>> YEAH, THERE IS NO -- >> THAT'S WHAT MY POINT IS.

THERE SHOULD BE SOME DIRECTION TO MAKE SURE THAT THE SIGNS HAVE THEM. I DROVE DOWN NOTHING, I HAD NO IDEA THAT THERE IS A SIGN THERE. YESTERDAY, YOU ARE SING THAT YOU PUT IT THERE TO HIDE IT. BUT AS YOU ARE HEADING WEST, YOU CANNOT SEE THAT SIGN. THE ZONING MAP THAT IS AVAILABLE FOR THE WEBSITE FOR OUR AREA IS ACTUALLY A DUPLICATE OF THE ZONING MAP FOR THE NORTHEAST QUADRANT. SO, THE NORTHWEST QUADRANT ZONING MAP IS EXACTLY THE SAME AS THE NORTHEAST QUADRANT. THEY WANTED TO TAKE THE ZONING THERE, I CAN'T SEE IT. SO IF SOMEBODY COULD ADDRESS THAT PLEASE? BECAUSE THE PROPERTY IMMEDIATELY, I GUESS WE WILL CALL EAST OF THAT SOUTHEAST MR. HALL'S PROPERTY IS A DAY CARE.

>> YES. >> HERE, IT SAYS THAT THE ZONING IS BB. I DON'T KNOW THAT BB PRECLUDES A DAY CARE BEING THERE, BUT I ASSUME THAT IT SHOULD BE PS SOMETHING.

>> I CAN TELL YOU ON THAT, BILL, WHEN MIKE CLAIM WAS THE DIRECTOR , WE DID A THING WHERE WE BASICALLY MADE A DAY CARE ALLOWABLE ON ANY COMMERCIAL IF I REMEMBER RIGHT.

>> OKAY. THAT'S FINE. >> IS THAT RIGHT, BETH? I THINK THAT'S WHAT IT SAID. WE KEPT GETTING PEOPLE COMING AND ASKING FOR PS BECAUSE THEY WANTED TO DO A DAY CARE , AND WE JUST FINALLY SAID IT IS LIKE -- ANY COMMERCIAL , MAYBE LIGHT

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RESIDENTIAL AREA. >> OKAY, THANK YOU FOR

CLARIFYING THAT FOR ME. >> IS CONSIDERED CONDITIONAL

USE, COMMISSIONER. >> BUT I CAN'T CONFIRM THAT BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE A MAP THAT SHOWS ME THAT. AGAIN, MY CONCERN IS THAT I HAVE LIVED OUT THERE A LONG TIME. THE PROPERTY IMMEDIATELY TO YOUR WEST , AND IT IS A JUNKYARD.

IT'S AN EMBARRASSMENT FRANKLY. AND MY CONCERN IS THAT YOU GET THE ZONE TO WHAT THAT GUY HAS, AND THEN YOU FLIP THE PROPERTY TO HIM AND HE MAKES HIS JUNKYARD TWICE AS BIG AS YOURS IS. I WILL BE VERY HONEST. THAT IS MY CONCERN. SO, I LIKE THE IDEAS OF THE TELLING YOU WHAT THEY WILL DO WITH THE PROPERTY.

IF IT HAS BEEN DONE WHERE WE HAVE BEEN GIVEN ZONING BEFORE AND YOU KNOW WHAT THE PROPERTY IS, I DON'T THINK I HAVE EVER VOTED OVER THERE. THANK GOD IN 2011, MY CLAIM IN BETH CARSON AND OTHER PEOPLE SUPPORTED OUR EFFORT TO PUT IN A CLAIM LOCALLY , IT HAD NOT CHANGE THE FACT THAT I HAD GOT A JUNKYARD OUT THERE. I'M HAPPY THAT WE HAVE GOT SOMETHING TO CONTROL WHAT GOES IN THERE. WHATEVER GOES OUT THERE, AND I GET WHAT MR. HALL SAID. YOU'RE NOT GOING TO PUT A DEVELOP A DEVELOPER OUT THERE. RETAIL, WHATEVER IT MAY BE . HE JUST LOSES MONEY. THE DEVELOPER DOES THAT. SO, I'M NOT WORRIED ABOUT THAT PART. BUT MY CONCERN IS THAT IF IT GETS LEGITIMATE HE ALSO DOES NOT CARE . THAT'S MY CONCERN.

>> AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT YOUR CLAY HILL DESIGN STANDARDS WERE INTENDED TO DO . THAT IF THE JUNKYARD GUY GOT CONTROL OF THIS PROPERTY UNDER THE CLAY HILL DESIGN STANDARDS, THERE IS NO EXTERIOR STORAGE ALLOWED! SO, NO ONE COULD EVER HAVE THAT

AGAIN! >> THIS IS AN APPROPRIATE PLACE TO FINALLY CODE ENFORCEMENT COMPLAINT. BUT THERE IS MULTIPLE PIECES OF PROPERTY IN THAT AREA THAT OF ALL KINDS OF OUTSIDE STORAGE. THEY HAVE SO MUCH JUNK THAT THEY PARK THEIR VEHICLES IN THE RIGHT-OF-WAY. OUTSIDE OF THEIR FENCES. SO, MR. HALL, I KNOW OF YOUR WORK, AND YOU BUILD BEAUTIFUL BUILDINGS. I HOPE ONE DAY THAT YOU GET TO BUILD A NICE

BUILDING OUT THERE. >> I WOULD LIKE TO ANSWER YOUR

CONCERN. >> SAY AGAIN?

>> I WOULD LIKE TO ANSWER OR RESPOND TO YOUR CONCERN.

>> GO AHEAD. >> IF YOU GO OVER TO THE NIGHT BOX, THAT WAS A JUNKYARD WHERE I BUILT THOSE OFFICES AND DEPARTMETS. AS SOON AS THE COUNTY FOUND OUT THAT I BOUGHT IT, HERE COMES THE PHONE CALL. CAN YOU PLEASE CLEAN IT UP? PLEASE CLEAN IT UP? I TOOK 57 TONS OF AUTOMOBILE PARTS, TRASH MOBILE HOMES , THINGS LIKE THAT. I DON'T LIKE IT!

>> GO BY THAT GUY. ANYWAYS, THOSE ARE MY CONCERNS. I HAVE EXPRESSED A CONCERN ABOUT, AND I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH SOMEBODY ABOUT JUNKYARD ZONING, WHATEVER IT MAY BE. THAT LITTLE AREA HAS BECOME A MAGNET, IT SEEMS LIKE, FOR PEOPLE WANTING TO PUT THESE RECOVERY COMPANIES AND ALL OF THAT, AND ALL THEY ARE HIS JUNKYARD. THEY BRING THE BOOK DOWN AUTOMOBILES, IT'S OUT THERE, AND SOMEBODY HAS TO BE ABLE TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. ONE WOULD THINK. SO, I AM PLEADING WITH YOU GUYS TO EXPRESS MY CONCERN IF I NEED TO COME AND MAKE A FORMAL COMPLAINT ABOUT IT. I'M HAPPY TO DO THAT. I SHOULD DO THAT.

YOU ARE NODDING YES. MY PHONE NU PROBLEM TALKING TO ANYBODY ABOUT IT.

>> THERE IS ABOUT 100 BIG MONSTER TIRES THERE

>> YEAH, IT IS A JOKE, FRANK. THEY ARE SHORT STAFFED.

>> WHOLE LOGIC OF THIS. I SEE IT. HIS BE A ONE MORE INTENSE OR LESS INTENSE THAN BA2? IT'S LESS INTENSE? OKAY. MY POINT WASN'T BA1, YOU ARE ALLOWED IN RETAIL. OKAY, SAY AGAIN?

>> WE KEEP BRINGING THAT UP. YOU KNOW? THAT SOMEBODY HAS GOT TO LOOK AT THAT BUILDING SIZE, BECAUSE IT COMES ACROSS ALL THE

TIME. >> OKAY. THANK YOU FOR LETTING

ME TEAR OUT MY HEARTBURN. >> DO WE HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT BEFORE HE MOVED TO PUBLIC HEARING? I DO HAVE A COUPLE OF PUBLIC HEARING CARDS ON THIS ITEM. ARE WE READY TO GO TO PUBLIC HEARING? COMMISSIONER?

>> MAY ASK THE STAFF A QUESTION?

>> SURE. SORRY, AGAIN. I SHOULD JUST LEAVE IT ALONE. WHY IS THE COUNTY DENYING THIS APPLICATION?

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>> AGAIN, FROM A PLANNING PERSPECTIVE --

>> I WANT TO HEAR THAT. >> I DID NOT SEE A JUSTIFICATION FOR CHANGING A ZONING DISTRICT JUST TO CHANGE

IT. >> SO, IF IT WAS BB, IT WOULD BE JUST FINE? A. THAT'S ALL I WANTED TO KNOW.

>> I WAS KIND OF CAUGHT OFF GUARD WITH THAT. BECAUSE IF I HAD KNOWN THAT, I ASSUMED, BECAUSE WHAT I UNDERSTOOD , THERE WERE RECOMMENDATIONS. AND THEY ALL RECOMMENDED RETAIL .

SO, I JUST FOUND OUT TONIGHT THAT THAT IS ALL SHE WAS MISSING , IS WHAT YOU GOING TO BUILD OVER? WELL, AS I SAID, RETAIL . WELL, I DON'T KNOW. I NEED TO WAIT FOR THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE TO TELL ME WHAT THEY WANT. SO, THAT WOULD GIVE HER AN ANSWER RIGHT NOW. RIGHT, JENNY?

>> ARE THERE ANY MORE QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? I THINK WE NEED TO GO TO THE PUBLIC HEARING. ACCORDING TO THIS, I HAVE TWO CARDS. I AM GOING TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS , OR THE COMMENT PERIOD. IS CHRISTINE PLUCKY HERE?

>> HELLO. CHRISTINE PLUCKY. ADDRESS 5680, LONGBRANCH ROAD UP IN THE CLAY HILL AREA. I ALSO DRIVE BY THERE EVERY DAY.

MY SONIC GOES TO THE DAY CARE RIGHT NEXT DOOR . SO, I DID A LITTLE POLL ON FACEBOOK. I AM IN SEVERAL FACEBOOK GROUPS IN THE AREA. AFTER I WENT TO THE CAC I THINK IT IS CALLED , THEY WERE REQUESTING THE SAME THING. THEY WERE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT IS GOING TO GO THERE. SO, HE DID A LITTLE PUBLIC POLL FOR ALL OF THESE FACEBOOK GROUPS, AND I GOT A DECENT RESPONSE ABOUT WHAT THE PUBLIC IN THE AREA WANT FOR THAT AREA OR FOR THAT SPOT. SO, A BUNCH OF THEM SAID RESTAURANT PETER . EITHER A MOM-AND-POP RESTAURANT OR A ROUND-ROBIN, SOMETHING THAT IS NOT IN THE AREA THEY CAN DRIVE TO. A DRIVE-THROUGH COFFEE SHOP WITH SOME FOOD OPTIONS, BUT NOT A STARBUCKS . A SMALL GROCERY STORE, A SMALL HARDWARE STORE. A KARATE STUDIO OR GYMNASTICS FOR THE KIDS THAT ARE OUT THERE. AND THEN, I ALSO TALKED TO THE DAY CARE, AND THEY ARE INTERESTED IN EXTENDING THE DAY CARE AS THEY DON'T REALLY HAVE ENOUGH SPOT AND ALREADY HAVE A WAITLIST THERE. SO, THEY ARE INTERESTED IN EXITING THE DAY CARE TO THE PROPERTY, AND THEY REALIZE THAT DOES NOT REQUIRE A ZONING CHANGE, BUT SOME OF THE OTHER OPTIONS DO. I UNDERSTAND IT IS BUILDING SIZE. THOSE ARE JUST SOME OF THE IDEAS FROM THE PUBLIC IN THAT AREA. SO, I VOTE FOR THAT AREA TO CLEAN THAT AREA UP A LITTLE BIT. IT WOULD LOOK REALLY NICE TO HAVE SOMETHING ELSE THERE BESIDES A PILE OF DIRT OR NOTHING. THAT

IS ALL I HAVE. >> THANK YOU.

>> I DO HAVE ONE MORE CARD, BUT I THINK IT MAY BE FOR ANOTHER ITEM. MICHAEL DIAZ, IS HE STILL HERE? HIS WAS NUMBER TWO.

WASN'T IT? >> HE SPOKE ON THAT, BUT I SPOKE WITH HIM AFTER AND HE WANTED TO SPEAK ON SOMETHING THAT WAS NOT REALLY ON THE AGENDA.

>> OH. >> IT WAS ANOTHER CASE.

>> IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WISHES TO BE HEARD ON THIS MATTER? IF NOT, I AM GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMISSION.

>> IS IS NO OTHER DISCUSSION, I WILL MAKE A MOTION --

>> I WILL SAY SOMETHING. >> I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE REQUEST TO CHANGE THIS TO BB TWO.

>> I WILL SECOND THE DISCUSSION. I JUST WANT TO COMMENT ON IT, BECAUSE MR. GARRISON HAS WORKED VERY HARD ON THAT AREA, AND I LISTENED VERY CAREFULLY TO HIM WHAT WE ARE DEALING WITH IN CLAY HILL. BECAUSE HE KNOWS WHAT GOES ON

OUT THERE. >> THANK YOU. THE NEXT ITEM ON

[5.  Public Hearing to consider COMP 24-0026 and PUD 24-0008. (District 4, Comm. Condon) (D. Selig)]

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PLEASE PROCEED. >> I WOULD LIKE TO BEGIN HIS PRESENTATION WITH A QUICK APOLOGY. I DID NOT REALIZE THIS UNTIL WAS POINTED OUT TO ME A LITTLE EARLIER THIS EVENING THAT IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN STAFF REPORT , EVERYTHING IS RIGHT AS FAR AS WHO IS THE APPLICANT , BUT IN THE, WELL, PID, PUD APPLICATION , WE HAVE SUSAN FRAZIER'S NAME. SHE IS NOT THE APPLICANT. IT IS JANICE FLEET. SO, MY APOLOGIES TO BOTH OF THOSE LADIES AND TO THE BOARD. SO, THIS IS BOTH A SMALL-SCALE COPPERHEADS OF PLAN AMENDMENT AND A REZONING. AND THE PROPERTY IS OUT ON THE BOULEVARD. TECHNICALLY IT HAS A ROAD CALLED GO JENNY BRYLA ON THE PROPERTY, BUT IT WAS NEVER DEVELOPED. THERE ARE SIX PARCELS ALTOGETHER , AND THIS IS FOR THE DISTRICT. THE CONFERENCE OF PLAN FOR TO CHANGE THE FUTURE LAND USE FROM RURAL RESIDENTIAL TO INDUSTRIAL PARK . THE PUD APPLICATIONS WOULD CHANGE THE ZONING FROM COUNTRY ESTATE DISTRICTS TO PLANNED INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT.

WE HAVE THE AERIAL, AND THEN HE CAN SEE THE SIX PARCELS BLOWN UP ON THE RIGHT SIDE THERE. AND AFTER THOSE, WE HAVE THE PROPOSED LAND-USE MAP. IT SHOWS THE INDUSTRIAL PARK PURPLISH COLOR. THIS IS JUST ABOVE JUST NORTH OF WHERE TO 15 BRANCHES

OFF. >> RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM THIS , THE COMMERCIAL, THE RED --

>> THEY CAME HERE RECENTLY. >> RECENTLY, OKAY. WHATEVER IT

IS, IT IS THOSE THREE LETTERS. >> SO, FOLLOWING THAT, WE HAVE GOT THE -- IS LISTED AS THE PID SITE PLAN. I TURNED THE PHOTO SIDEWAYS, SO NORTH IS REALLY TO THE RIGHT , BUT IT GIVES YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT THEIR LAYOUT OF WHAT THEY WERE INTENDING. THIS IS VOTING FLEX SPACE UNITS. SO, THERE IS NO END-USER AT THIS TIME FOR ANY OF THE SPACES. IS INTENDED TO BE, WELL, FIVE BUILDINGS . PARKING, STORMWATER, TWO ENTRANCES , AND YOU WILL SEE THERE IS A 30 FOOT BUFFER. I WILL MENTION IT AGAIN LATER, BUT THE BUFFER SURROUNDS THE PARCEL NOT ON THE FRONTAGE.

BUT THERE'S EXISTING RESIDENTIAL. SO, THE PID REGULATIONS , IT WOULD PERMIT VARIOUS LIGHT INDUSTRY . IT HAS

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THEY HAVE TO BE ASSOCIATED WITH ONE OF THOSE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL MANUFACTURING TYPE OF USES . IT CAN BE WAREHOUSING, SHOWROOM DISTRIBUTION TYPE OF USES, WHOLESALE BUSINESS USES .

AGAIN, IF IT'S AFFILIATED WITH ONE OF THE OTHER LIGHT INDUSTRIAL WAREHOUSING BUSINESSES. CORPORATE AND PROFESSIONAL BUSINESS OFFICES , AND THEN THERE ARE SOME ACCESSORY USES AS WELL . DINING, DAY CARE, RECREATION, PROFESSIONAL SERVICES AS WELL THAT WOULD SUPPORT THOSE BUSINESSES. THERE ARE TWO ADDITIONAL USES THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED. PUBLIC ASSEMBLY AND RESIDENTIAL DWELLING, WHICH REALLY IS MORE LIKE A SECURITY. THERE ARE RESTRICTIONS PROPOSED TO BE ON THESE USES. THE USES ALLOWED TO BE, AS I SAID, INSIDE AN ENCLOSED BUILDING. THERE IS NO OUTSIDE STORAGE OR ACTIVITIES . THE USES CAN'T BE, YOU KNOW, DANGEROUS, OBNOXIOUS, OFFENSIVE . OFFSTREET LOADING FACILITIES ARE TO BE LOCATED AT THE REAR SIDE OF THE BUILDING , OFFICIALLY SCREENED FROM ANY OF THE BUDDING STREET OR ROADWAY ON THE RESIDENTIAL LANDS. AND THEN, ACCESSORY USES AND LIMITED RETAIL SALES CAN'T BE LOCATED IN A FREESTANDING BUILDING. THE PID WOULD HAVE SOME SETBACKS THAT I HAVE PROVIDED FOR YOU THERE. AND A LANDSCAPE BUFFER THAT A MESSAGE MENTIONED WITH CD BUFFER WITH A FENCE TO BUFFER ALL OF THOSE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES. AS I MENTIONED, THERE IS NO END UNIT FOR TENANTS OF THESE SELECTED AT THIS TIME. STAFF IS GONE TO THE CRITERIA OF THE CONFERENCE OF CHANGE AND ZONING CHANGE, IT FEELS LIKE IT NEEDS THE CRITERION RECOMMENDS EACH OF THOSE APPLICATIONS TO THE BOARD.

>> ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? >>

>> I BELIEVE SO, BUT I WOULD HAVE TO ASK THE APPLICANT. I THINK SO. THE CODE REQUIRES THAT AS PART OF THAT.

>> ALL RIGHT. ARE YOU READY TO HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT?

>> THANK YOU MADAM CHAIRMAN. I ALSO WANT TO MENTION, FIRST OF ALL, I THINK STAFF WERE WORKING WITH ME ON THIS , AND WE ALSO HAVE THE LAKE AS BERRIES STATORS TO MAKE SURE THAT NO LIGHTS WOULD GO OFF INTO THE NEIGHBOR. THAT WAS ALSO PART OF THAT REQUIREMENT. BASICALLY, THIS KIND OF TWO PROPERTY OWNERS ARE HERE. HE ORIGINALLY THOUGHT HE WAS GOING TO BUILD HOUSES THERE , AND ACTUALLY WE STARTED WORKING ON THE IMC ACROSS THE STREET, HE CAME TO ME AND SAID WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT SOMETHING ELSE. SO, IN THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN , I THINK IT WAS ROSEBERRY WOULD CONTINUE. IT'S A STRAIGHT ROAD. SO, WE WOULD TRY TO DO THAT. WE SAID THIS IS KIND OF CREATING A COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR IN THIS PART OF THE COUNTY TO TRY TO GET JOBS IN THE COUNTY. I TALKED TO IMC. BUT MY SCIENCE, WHICH EVERYBODY SHOULD BE ABLE TO SEE THOSE SIGNS, BECAUSE A MAJOR THERE WERE FIVE SIGNS. THEY ARE VERY VISUAL. I WANT TO TALK TO THEM AND SAY THAT'S GREAT, WE CAN HAVE MORE THINGS OUT THERE , BUT IT'S KIND OF COMMERCIAL. YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE THE KANGAROO WHERE TO 15 AND 21 SPLIT, THEY ARE ALL KIND OF IN THAT AREA TO CREATE A LITTLE COMMERCIAL NODE IN THAT COUNTY. WE ARE KIND OF THINKING IS FLEX SPACE, WHICH WE DON'T REALLY HAVE THAT DESIGNATION IN CLAY COUNTY , BUT IT IS THE FUTURE. AND I WILL SAY , IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH, LIKE, PHILLIPS HIGHWAY BY BJ'S NORTH OF THERE, THERE'S A LOT OF WHAT I CALL THE FLEX SPACE FOR YOU HAVE GOT A TILE, OR A PAIN, OR THERE IS A HARDWARE, DIFFERENT USES THAT THEY HAVE . AT THE FRONT, THERE IS A SHOWROOM, AND YOU CAN COME IN AND BUY YOUR STUFF, BUT IN THE BACK, THEY ARE ABLE TO HAVE THAT LARGER SPACE FOR WAREHOUSING. THAT'S KIND OF WHAT THE TYPE OF USE IS IS WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING. WE THINK THAT IS SOMETHING THEY CAN BE GOOD FOR THE COUNTY IN THIS AREA.

SO, THERE ARE FIVE BUILDINGS PROPOSED RANGING FROM ABOUT 70 7200 TO ABOUT 1500 FOR A TOTAL OF ABOUT 63,000 SQUARE FEET.

BUT I THINK THE BIGGEST THING WE ARE LIMITING THE USES. IF

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>> A QUESTION? >> YEAH, I'M JUST CURIOUS.

OBVIOUSLY, YOU MUST HAVE ONE APPROVED CURB CUT TO BE IN THERE. HAVE YOU GOTTEN THE SECOND ONE APPROVED? IS THAT

SOMETHING IS OFF TO WORK ON? >> WE WOULD HAVE TO GO TO D.O.T. TO GET IT. I DON'T THINK IT SHOULD BE A PROBLEM WITH THE AMOUNT OF RENT IS THAT WE HAVE. THEY WOULD BE VERY HAPPY , BECAUSE IF WE SPLIT IT, THEY WOULD HAVE TO GIVE US ONE OF EVERY LOT SPLIT , WHICH I THINK ANY OF US WANT. EXACTLY.

YES. >> OTHER QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT.

>> OKAY. ALL RIGHT. WE SHOULD OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. I DO HAVE SOME COMMENT CARDS ON THIS. I WILL OPEN IT .

>> HI. CHRISTINE PELEKI AGAIN. I DON'T HAVE A TON TO SAY ABOUT THIS OTHER THAN I THINK IS ACTUALLY PRETTY GOOD FOR THE COMMUNITY. I'M A BUSINESS OWNER MYSELF. WE ARE AN OUT-OF-STATE BUSINESS OWNER , BUT THE TYPE OF BUSINESS I OWN IS A BREWERY AND A RESTAURANT. THIS WOULD ACTUALLY BE A PERFECT LOCATION TO MOVE MY BREWERY TO THE STATE . BUT THIS ON ANOTHER LOCATION LIKE THIS IN MIDDLEBURG FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. WHICH IS KIND OF LIGHT MANUFACTURING, BUT ALSO COULD HAVE THAT FRONT TAPROOM AREA. TO GO WITH SALES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO, I THINK THIS IS A REALLY GOOD PROPERTY FOR OUT OF THE BOX IDEAS THAT WE DON'T HAVE IN MIDDLEBURG RIGHT NOW. WE HAVE A LOT OF EMPTY STOREFRONTS THERE THAT REALLY DON'T FIT A LOT OF PEOPLE'S BUSINESSES. AND I THINK THIS IS A GOOD STEPPING-STONE TO SOME OTHER TYPES OF BUSINESSES IN THAT AREA. THANKS.

>> THANKS. BECCA MARK? >> BECCA MARK, 2692, PERRY WINKLE AVENUE. THE PROPERTY YOU ARE DISCUSSING IN THE PLANNING THAT STAFF HAS PRESENTED , ESSAYS OF THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED ALMOST MAKES IT SOUND LIKE IT IS IN A MEGALOPOLIS.

IT'S NOT. WE HAVE A GAS STATION. THAT'S OUR MEGALOPOLIS. I LIVE 280 YARDS FROM THIS PROPERTY. I USED TO BE ABLE TO SIT IN MY BACKYARD AND LISTEN TO CRITTERS. I CAN'T ANYMORE, BECAUSE ALL I CAN HEAR HIS ROAD NOISE, BECAUSE THE PREVIOUS OWNERS WENT IN AND DESTROYED THE PROPERTY. THEY DESTROYED GOPHER AND TORTOISE NESTS . THERE WERE DOZENS OF THEM. THAT'S A FELONY. BUT THE CRIME IN THE STATE. OKAY? I DON'T NEED INDUSTRIAL. THERE ARE 41 COMMERCIAL, VACANT PROPERTIES IN MIDDLEBURG. NOT THE WHOLE COUNTY, MIDDLEBURG. THERE ARE 344 HOMES AVAILABLE FOR SALE , THERE'S A 141 RENTALS. I REALLY DON'T WANT THIS, I DON'T NEED THIS. I MEAN, THE PRESENTATION, IT'S INTERESTING TO ME THAT THIS IS ALL DONE AT THE HOLIDAYS WHEN PEOPLE ARE COMING OUT, AND TO PULL OVER TO COPY DOWN THE SIGN. THIS IS ALREADY TO BE SIGNED. THIS IS DONE. IT'S A DONE DEAL. ALL THEY HAVE TO DO IS SIGN IT. I STARTED TALKING TO BETSY CONDON ABOUT THIS JANUARY OF 2023. IT SAYS IN TRACY SCOTT TRICKS PROPERTY OWNER BILL OF RIGHTS, THE RIGHT TO RELIEVE OUR PAYMENT OF COMPENSATION WHEN A NEW LAW, RULE, REGULATION, ORDINANCE OF THE STATE OR POLITICAL ENTITY UNFAIRLY AFFECTED PROPERTY FOR MY PROPERTY VALUE WILL GO DOWN.

YOU CAN'T PUT RESIDENTIAL WITH COMMERCIAL AND IT DOES NOT LOSE VALLEY. I'M SORRY, THAT'S A GIVEN. IT ALSO SAYS IT SHOULD BE UNLAWFUL FOR ANY PERSON TO DESTROY, PERSONALLY ENTER, OR

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I'M A RESIDENT OF BLACK CREEK PARK. I HAVE LIVED HERE SINCE 2010. UNTIL NOW, MY HOME HAS BEEN A HAVEN FOR ME , FOXES, HAWKS, TURKEY, DEER, VARIETY OF ANIMALS . THE TORTOISE RESIDES IN THIS COMMUNITY ROAMING FROM PROPERTY TO PROPERTY THROUGH UNDERGROUND BURROWS. DAMAGING THESE BOROUGHS IS A CRIME. THE PEOPLE THAT CLEAR THE PROPERTY LEFT DEBRIS ON IT. MR. SANTOS HAS LEFT A BRIEF . HE HAD AN ABANDONED TRUCK , HE HAD AN ABANDONED METAL BUILDING. I MEAN, AND IT IS ZONED RESIDENTIAL. WE WOULD LIKE TO KEEP IT. I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY MONEY SEEMS TO BE THE WAY TO GO. I'M JUST ONE PERSON ON ONE ACRE THAT I WOULD LIKE TO LIVE OUT MY LIFE WITHOUT HAVING TO DEAL WITH THIS. IT'S UNFORTUNATE. I THINK THEY SHOULD BE FORCED TO RESORT TO THE WAY IT WAS. IF THEY WANT TO BUILD HOMES, BUILD SOME NICE HOMES, BUT YOU HAVE COMPLETELY RUINED THE AREA. ANYWAYS, THANK YOU.

>> I HAVE A CARD FOR JESSICA GREEN?

>> GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS JESSICA GREEN. I'M SORRY, I GOING TO GET EMOTIONAL WITH THIS. IS THIS GOOD?!? A. I RESIDE IN MIDDLEBURG, FLORIDA, WHICH IS RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO THIS PROPERTY. I HAVE WATCHED IT BE DISORDERS THE FOREST IT FOR THE LAST THREE YEARS, AND IS A RESIDENT, MOTHER, ANDERSON THIS COMMUNITY, I'M ASKING FOR INTENSE CONSIDERATION TO NOT APPROVE THIS REZONING REQUEST. I'M IMMENSELY CONCERNED ABOUT THE WELL-BEIG OF MY CHILDREN AND FAMILY , THE NUMEROUS OTHER FAMILY SURROUNDING THE AREA, THE LIVESTOCK THAT WE HAVE AMONGST ALL OF THE PARCELS THAT ARE SURROUNDING THESE LOTS. IN THE ESTATE IN THE EVALUATION OF OUR HOMES. WELL CONSTRUCTION BRINGS DISTURBANCES, THERE'S A BIGGER THREAT WE DISCUSSED INDUSTRIAL OR BUSINESS CONSTRUCTION IN GENERAL. FOR NOISE AND AIR POLLUTION, WATER CONTAMINANTS IN OUR WATER SYSTEMS, AND DUST AND DEBRIS TO THE GENERAL SAFETY OF OUR CHILDREN, WE CANNOT ALLOW SUCH ZONING IN THIS LOCATION. THE CURRENT ZONING ALLOWS FOR THE PRESERVATION OF RURAL CHARACTERISTICS , AND THIS REZONING MITIGATES JUST THAT. I WAS BORN AND RAISED IN CLAY COUNTY, AND CONTINUE TO LIVE HERE TO RAISE OUR TWO YOUNG GIRLS FOR THE ENVIRONMENT AND THE CULTURE. WE HOMESCHOOL AND TEACH OUR CHILDREN ABOUT THE CULTURE, LANDS, FAMILY, AND LIVESTOCK . CHANGING THE PARTIAL ZONING WOULD CHANGE ALL OF THAT . AND WERE TALKING ABOUT A BREWERY? YOU WOULD LITERALLY PLACE AN UNKNOWN INDUSTRIAL USED BUSINESS CENTERED AMONGST AGRICULTURAL ESTATES. THESE ARE COUNTRY ESTATES. FOR SOMEONE ELSE'S PROFIT AND OUR COMPLETE LOSS. THIS IS ALL WE HAVE IS OUR HOME. THAT IS ALL. THIS IS ALL WE HAVE IS OUR HOME. WE DO NOT MEAN OR HAVE ANY USE FOR SUCH ZONING IN THIS AREA. WHILE I SUPPORT GROWTH AND PROGRESS, I BELIEVE THAT GROWTH DOES NOT ALWAYS MEAN PROGRESS, AND PROGRESS DOES NOT ALWAYS MEAN GROWTH. SHOULD NOT HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT LIGHT SPILLING INTO MY CHILDREN'S BEDROOMS AT NIGHT, NOR BEING INUNDATED WITH NOISE OR HEAVY TRAFFIC BECAUSE SOMEONE DECIDED TO CHANGE WHERE I LIVE, NOT ME DECIDING TO CHANGE WHERE I LIVE. I TEACH MY CHILDREN TO STAND UP FOR WHAT THEY LOVE. NEEDS VERSUS WANTS , AND RESPECT FOR ALL LIVING THINGS . I LOVE MY HOME AND WHERE I AM RAISING MY CHILDREN. WE DO NOT NEED INDUSTRIAL ZONING, AND I RESPECT MY FELLOW NEIGHBORS. I BELIEVE CHILDREN CAN TEACH US SOME OF THE GREATEST LESSONS IN LIFE , SO MY SIX-YEAR-OLD ASKED ME YESTERDAY WHEN WE WERE STANDING OUTSIDE WHY SOMEONE WOULD DO SUCH A THING TO THE LAND AND THE ANIMALS AS HE WATCHED THE GAME WARDEN INVESTIGATING GOPHER HOLES , AND THEN SHE TELLS ME I'M DOING THE RIGHT THING BY BEING HERE TONIGHT'S , AND THEN FELT SO INCLINED TO MAKE THE SAME APPROACH FOR MY CHILD AND ASKING THE SAME QUESTION. WHY WOULD WE DO THIS? AND PLEASE DO THE RIGHT THING.

BECAUSE WE WILL LITERALLY BE KICKED OUT OF OUR HOMES. THANK

YOU FOR THE TIME TO SPEAK. >> IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WISHES TO BE HEARD ON THIS MATTER? I AM SEEING NO ONE COME FORWARD, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND GIVE THE APPLICANT A CHANCE TO RESPOND TO PUBLIC COMMENTS.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. FIRST, I JUST WANT TO PUT ON THE RECORD THAT MY OWNER , JEFF, HE PURCHASED THE PROPERTY AFTER IT

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ADDRESS IT. >> AND INTRODUCE YOURSELF IF

YOU WOULD? >> HI, I AM JEFF. I AM THE OWNER OF HALF OF THE PARCELS THERE. SO, I PURCHASED THE PROPERTY WHEN HE PURCHASED IT. ÚIT HAD BEEN LIKE THAT FOR MONTHS, MAYBE LONGER , WITH HUGE TREES KNOCKED DOWN, A U-HAUL TRUCK HAVING BEEN THERE . I DON'T KNOW IF ANY GOPHERS , BECAUSE IT WAS DESTROYED WHEN I GOT THERE , AND THIS WAS A YEAR AND A HALF, 2 1/2 YEARS AGO , I CAN'T BE SPECIFIC. BUT WE CLEANED IT UP, AND NOW IT IS JUST SITTING.

>> THANK YOU. WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE A FURTHER RESPONSE?

>> YEAH, I JUST WANT TO SAY IN LOOKING, JUST, WE ARE TRYING TO DO THE STANDARDS . WE ARE TRYING TO KEEP EVERYTHING TOWARDS PLANNING BOULEVARD AND NOT TO CREATE ANY NEGATIVE IMPACTS ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD. IF YOU SEE, THERE ARE FURTHER DISTANCES WERE SOME OF THE NEIGHBORS ARE. THERE IS A PRIVACY FENCE , WHICH IS ASSUMED THAT THE PRIVACY FENCE HAS GOT TO BE AT LEAST 85% IN OUR PLANNING ROLE TERMS. IT WILL BE SOME WHITE VINYL OR SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT. IN THE BUILDINGS WILL BE SUBSTANTIALLY FARTHER FROM THE NEIGHBORHOODS, BECAUSE YOU HAVE GOT THE PARKING KIND OF AROUND IT. I THINK IT'S AN AREA THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN STARTED WITH THE IMC ACROSS THE STREET , WHICH HAS ONE OF THE LARGER EMPLOYERS OF CLAY COUNTY THERE. THOSE APPROVED BY THE COUNTY ALMOST A YEAR AGO . I KNOW ONE OF THE THINGS THIS BOARD APPROVED, YOU RECOMMENDED APPROVAL TO, AND WHAT ARE THE THINGS WE DID ON THAT WHICH WE ARE ALSO DOING ON THIS IS VERY LIMITING THE USES BE ON THE USES THAT WE FELT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE. I GOT RID OF WHAT WE CALL THE BAD STUFF, AND THAT IS WHY WE DID THE INDUSTRAL PARK, AS WELL AS TO THE PID , SO THAT WE DON'T DO THE LAUNDRY LIST OF STUFF THAT COULD BE ALLOWED , AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE THE INCREASED LANDSCAPING AND LIGHTING STANDARDS AND ET CETERA TO MAKE IT SITTING WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD. IT'S ALWAYS A PROBLEM WHEN WE HAVE RESIDENTIAL ALONG OR CLOSE TO PLANNING BOULEVARD, AND YET LOOKING AHEAD, YOU KNOW, YES , THE TRAFFIC COUNTS IN THOSE AREAS ARE PRETTY HIGH AS WE KNOW. AND I WAS STANDING THERE. FILLING WITH PUTTING MY LIFE IN MY HANDS TRYING TO PUT SIGNS UP BECAUSE I THINK PEOPLE GO AS FAST AS THEY DO ON I 10. BUT ANYWAYS, I'M HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS. WE DESERVE THE SUPPORT AND APPROVE IT. I THINK THIS IS SOMETHING THAT CAN HELP FOR THE FUTURE OF OUR COUNTY.

>> I HAVE A QUESTION. >> GO AHEAD.

>> WITH THE HEIGHT LIMITATION ON BUILDINGS THERE?

>> WE DID 45 ON THAT. WE DID THAT JUST IN CASE . SOMETIMES THE USES SUCH AS GYMNASTIC STUDIOS OR THINGS THAT HAVE BIGGER UNITS OF 45, THAT WOULD BE THE ULTIMATE , BUT IF THAT

NORMAL IS 35 -- >> WHAT IS THE STORAGE?

>> WELL, IT'S MORE THE TOP OF UNITS, BUT AGAIN, WE ARE PUTTING INTO SITUATIONS. SO YOU CAN SPELL 35 WAS BETTER, WHICH IS THE NORMAL, I DON'T WE WOULD HAVE THAT MUCH OF A PROBLEM WITH THAT. I THINK I DID 45 BECAUSE THAT WAS WHAT WAS ACROSS THE STREET, AND THAT IS WE ENDED UP APPROVING AT THE IMC. BUT WE ARE FINE TO GO WITH 35. THAT WOULD MAKE THE BOARD FEEL HAPPIER, WHICH IS THE NORMAL HEIGHT IN THE COUNTY.

>> OKAY. OTHER QUESTIONS? >> YOU SAID YOU PROPOSED A 45 FOOT BUILDING. HAVE YOU ALL BEEN TO DRC ALREADY? REQUIRED BEFORE WE GO TO YOU, WE HAVE TO GO TO DRC. WE DO HAVE CHALLENGES WHEN IT COMES TO WATER, SEWER, AND FIRE. WE KNOW THAT AS WE MOVE FORWARD, BUT WE CAN'T GET TO THAT POINT UNTIL WE GET THERE. THAT'S ONE OF THE PROBLEMS IS WE DON'T HAVE WATER AND SEWER DOWN THERE, BUT WE WILL NOT GET UNLESS WE START HAVING SOME USES THAT MAYBE WOULD USE IT.

SO AT LEAST WE CAN MOVE IN THAT DIRECTION. IT'S A CATCH-22.

>> HAVE YOU APPROACHED SEE CUA ABOUT WATER AND SEWER?

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>> NO, BUT I KNOW THERE IS SOME DISCUSSION, BECAUSE WHEN I TALKED TO THE OWNERS OF IMC, THEY ARE APPROACHING IT . THERE IS A THOUGHT, BUT IT'S NOT THERE YET.

>> IF YOU DON'T GET WATER AND SEWER THERE, THEN WHAT?

>> THEN, WILL HAVE TO DO SOME OF OUR OWN PACKETS, AND IS WHERE THE LOWER USES OF INTENSITY OF THE TYPE OF USES MORE OF A WAREHOUSING , BECAUSE YOU CAN'T REALLY DO MAJOR MANUFACTURING IF YOU ARE NOT DOING PUBLIC WATER.

>> AND IS CURIOUS, IS NOT PERTINENT TO THE ZONING.

>> I COULD BE A LIMITATION AS WE MOVE FORWARD, BUT WE HAVE TO AT LEAST GET TO THIS STATE SO WE CAN FIGURE OUT. SOME OF THOSE BUILDINGS MIGHT NOT BE THERE BECAUSE WE MIGHT NEED SOME SORT OF AN AREA FOR A SEPTIC TANK, ET CETERA. BUT THERE ARE SOME NEAT THINGS THAT PEOPLE ARE DOING NOW, ESPECIALLY FOR SEWER , BECAUSE OF THE LIMITATIONS AND THE COST OF EXTENDING SEWER. I KNOW THEY'RE LOOKING THAT .

MARIA'S THE ONLY REASON I KNOW THAT.

>> SO, THE PID ZONING, IF IT WERE APPROVED WOULD BE BASED ON THE SITE PLAN AND BE SPECIFIC CRITERIA?

>> YES, THAT IS CORRECT. >> THIS IS BASED ON THE FACT THAT YOU ARE PLANNING ON GETTING WATER AND SEWER.

>> RIGHT NOW, WE ARE NOT PLANNING THAT.

>> THIS FOOTPRINT WILL WORK WITHOUT WATER AND SEWER WITH YOU PROVIDING YOUR OWN WELL AND ON-SITE SEWER MANAGEMENT.

>> THAT IS THE HOA. YES. THAT IS WHAT WE ARE PLANNING ON.

YES. WE ASSUME THERE WILL NOT BE ANY WATER OR SEWER ANYTIME IN THE FUTURE THERE . BUT EVENTUALLY HOPEFULLY IT WOULD BE. BUT WE WOULD HAVE TO BE LIMITED TO THAT. AND AS YOU KNOW, WITH THE PID JUST LIKE A PUD , ANY CHANGE TO THE USES OR THE SITE PLAN WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK BEFORE YOU AS A

REZONING. >> THANK YOU.

>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION?

>> I HAVE A QUESTION IF I MAY?

>> SURE. >> WHAT ARE THE PERMITTED COMMERCIAL USES ON A PARCEL THAT SITS ON WELL AND SEPTIC?

>> IT DEPENDS ON THE ZONING. >> IT IS A IS A WIDE RANGE OF ALLOWABLE USES ? YOU HAVE TO HAVE WATER AND SEWER FOR MOST

COMMERCIAL USES? >> I DON'T THINK YOU HAVE TO HAVE A FOR MOST COMMERCIAL USES, NO. BUT CERTAINLY, SHE ALLUDED TO YOU HAVE A LARGE MANUFACTURING, YOU'RE GOING TO NEED THAT. ESPECIALLY IF IT IS A USER REQUIRES A LOT OF WATER, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO PULL OUT FROM THE WELL . IT WOULD NOT BE

COST-EFFECTIVE. >> THANK YOU.

>> I THINK IT'S REALLY A HEALTH APARTMENT QUESTION THOUGH. IF YOU WANT TO SEPTIC, THEY WILL WANT TO KNOW WHAT YOU'RE PUTTING INTO IT. IF YOU TELL THEM YOU PUT INTO WHAT IS THE RESTAURANT, YOU HAVE TO GET A SEPTIC.

>> WELL, IF YOU'RE DOING A LAUNDRY MAT, YOU WILL NOT USE A WELL AND SEPTIC EITHER. THAT'S WHY WAS JUST CURIOUS.

>> ARE YOU READY TO GET BACK TO THE COMMISSION THEN? IN EITHER ENTERTAIN A MOTION OR FURTHER DISCUSSION?

>> I WOULD LIKE A LITTLE DISCUSSION. THE BUILDING HEIGHT CONCERNS ME , ESPECIALLY BECAUSE WE ARE DROPPING THIS OR POTENTIALLY DROPPING THIS ALL OF THESE RESIDENTIAL AREAS. WE HAVE DONE A LOT. KUDOS ON THE LIGHTING. THIS ONE OF MY HOT BUTTONS. EVERYBODY KNOWS KEEP THE LIGHTING DOWN. THAT IS EXCELLENT. BUT A 45 FOOT BUILDING, EVEN A 35 FOOT BUILDING WAS BASICALLY AN EIGHT FOOT FENCE AROUND IT STILL MEANS THAT THEY ARE UP THERE. YOU CAN STILL SEE THEM. I DON'T KNOW WHAT IS VIABLE FOR THE SITE, BUT I THINK 45 IS TOO HIGH, AND WITH THE RESIDENTIAL ON IT OR NEAR IT , I WOULD EVEN LIKE TO SEE A 25 FEET. BUT THAT'S JUST MY COMMENT.

>> OTHER COMMENTS OR CONCERNS? >> JUST LET THE RECORD SHOW, AND ASSESSMENT CLIENTS AREA AND I SAID IF YOU WANT TO GO TO 25, CAN WE? AND THEY WOULD BE OKAY WITH IT.

>> I WILL JUST MAKE THE COMMENTS, I THINK THAT'S PRUDENT. BECAUSE WHEN YOU DRIVE ON 21, YOU CAN SEE THE ROOFLINE. THAT IS WHAT SHOWS OVER THE SLOPE IS THE ROOFLINE.

SO, I THINK THAT IS APPROPRIATE.

>> WELL, I WILL MAKE A MOTION. IN THAT CASE, IF WE CAN GET SUPPORT FOR IT, I MOVE THE STAFF REPORT WITH THE RECOMMENDATION OR THE CHANGE THAT THE BUILDING HEIGHT BE

LIMITED TO 25 FEET. >> OH, IS THIS A DOUBLE? THAT WOULD GO IN THE PIT. I WILL MOVE THE LAND-USE CHANGE AS

RECOMMENDED BY STAFF. >> ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? WE

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>> BOTH OWNERS ARE HERE. CORRECT?

>> JUST ONE OWNER. >> MR. O'NEILL? MR. O'NEILL WAS THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY WHEN THE TORTOISES WERE BULLDOZED. SO PLEASE, THIS GENTLEMAN MUST HAVE BOUGHT IT FROM MR. SANTOS A BULLDOZER TORTOISE. YES. THIS MAN WAS THE OWNER WHEN THEY WERE FIRST BULLDOZED. SO PLEASE, DO NOT PLAY THAT LITTLE GAME WITH ME. I AM SORRY, YOU ALL, BUT IS NOT RIGHT. THERE ARE ALL OF YOUR LITTLE RULES, AND THERE'S WRONG AND THERE'S RIGHT. THIS WOMAN LIVES RIGHT NEXT TO THIS MESS . RIGHT NEXT TO IT. ANYONE TO PUT IN, I DUNNO, WHAT, FIVE CONCRETE BUILDING SO THEY CAN DO WHATEVER THEY PLEASE? I'M SORRY, BUT YOU DID AND YOU KNOW IT.

>> I THINK MAYBE THE APPLICANT MIGHT WANT TO RESPOND TO THAT.

AND WE WILL LET MR. O'NEILL, THE OTHER PROPERTY OWNER --

>> I DO OWN PART OF THE THREE ACRES TO THE NORTH OF THE PROPERTY. I DID CLEAR THAT PROPERTY. THERE WAS NO TORTOISE THERE . THERE IS NO TORTOISE ON MY PROPERTY THAT I SAW, AND I STILL DON'T BELIEVE THEY ARE THERE, BECAUSE IT'S VERY THICK, THE PROPERTY WAS. TORTOISES USUALLY MIGRATE TO SOMEWHERE LIKE KEYSTONE THAT HAS SCRUB OAKS , BUT THIS HAD A LOT OF MASS BEFORE YOU GOT THROUGH THE DIRT. TORTOISES DON'T USUALLY DO THAT. SO, I DISAGREE WITH SEEING ANY TORTOISE THERE APPEARED IS A MATTER OF FACT, I DO NOT THE ANIMALS THERE. I DON'T DOUBT THERE WERE ANIMALS THERE. I DON'T DOUBT THERE WERE SNAKES THERE. I FEEL CERTAIN THERE WAS. HE DID NOT SEE ANY, BUT I FEEL CERTAIN THEY WERE THERE. I WASN'T THE ONE WHO PHYSICALLY OWNED A BULLDOZER ALL THE TIME, BUT I ASKED THEM WHEN THIS THING CAME UP ABOUT THE TORTOISE , BECAUSE SUMMITTED IS THAT THERE WAS A TORTOISE THERE, AND THEY DID SENSIBLY OUT THERE. YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY FOUND ANYTHING . SO, THAT'S ALL I CAN TELL YOU.

>> SO, YOU ONLY THREE ACRES ON THE NORTH?

>> ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY.

>> ARE YOU AN OWNER NOW? >> I AM THE OWNER NOW. YES,

MA'AM. >> THANK YOU. WHERE THE IS THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY.

>> SO, THERE IS NEVER A QUESTION ABOUT ANY KIND OF TORTOISES ON THE PROPERTY THE WHOLE TIME I HAVE OWNED IT.

IT'S JUST RECENTLY WHEN WE PUT ZONING SIGNS OUT THAT WE HAVE BEEN ATTACKE. THE FWC HAS BEEN CALLED ON US IN ALL KINDS OF STUFF. LIKE WE ARE DOING SOMETHING WRONG. I FEEL LIKE WE ARE BEING RETALIATED AGAINST FOR BEING PROPERTY OWNERS.

>> THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT. I THINK THE TORTOISE PROBLEM HAD

JUST COME OUT JUST RECENTLY. >> I THINK WE GONE AS FAR AS WE HAVE NEED TO GO ON THIS. THANK YOU.

>> THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT HE SAID. WHEN HE PUT THE SIGNS UP, THAT'S WHEN THE TORTOISE ISSUE -- IS THE FIRST ITEM OF THAT.

WAS YESTERDAY OR TWO DAYS AGO. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> THANK YOU. >> BY THE WAY, MY NAME IS PATRICK O'NEILL , AND A LIVE AT MAGNOLIA POINT. I LIVED IN THIS COUNTY SINCE 1980 , AND I AM PROUD TO SAY, IT'S A VERY GOOD COUNTY. I LOVE THIS COUNTY. I DON'T DO ANYTHING TO DESTROY THE COUNTY , AND I WANT TO DAMAGE ANYBODY'S PROPERTY.

I UNDERSTAND HOW THE PEOPLE FEEL, BUT THAT'S NOT OUR INTENT AT ALL. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> ALL RIGHT. I THINK WE ARE READY --

>> YOU'RE REQUESTING AN EMOTION ON THE FLOOR.

>> YES. I FORGOT WHAT IT WAS. >> IT'S FOR THE LAND-USE.

>> I MADE A SECOND FOR THE LAND-USE.

>> FOR THE LAND-USE?. IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF APPROVING THE APPLICATION FOR THE LAND-USE

CHANGE, PLEASE SAY AYE? >> AYE.

>> AYE. >> AYE.

>> ANY OPPOSED, SAME SIGN. >> AYE.

>> AYE. >> COMEDY? JOE AND PETE. AND BO. THAT'S 4-3, AND IT CARRIES. NOW WE NEED THE

ZONING. >> MADAM CHAIR , I RECOMMEND THE STAFF REPORT ON THE ZONING WITH THE CHANGE THAT THE BUILDING HEIGHT BE LIMITED TO 25 FEET.

>> SECOND? ANY FURTHER ON THIS? ALL OF THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE

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MOTION, PLEASE SAY AYE? >> AYE.

>> AYE. >> ANY OPPOSED? SO, SAM THREE FOLKS. MOTION CARRIES. ALL RIGHT.

>> WAS KNOW WHAT JOE? JOE, PETE, AND BO? OKAY. SO, I THINK

[6.  Public Hearing to consider Transmittal of COMP 24-0025. (District 5, Comm. Burke) (D. Selig)]

DODI SELIG WILL PRESENT THIS. >> THIS IS A LARGE-SCALE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT. IS A TEXT AMENDMENT . THE APPLICANT, SUSAN FRASER. THE APPLICATION WOULD CHANGE PORTIONS OF TEXT FOR TWO POLICIES IN THE CONFERENCE OF PLAN THAT ARE RELATED TO THE LAKE ASBURY INTERCHANGE VILLAGE CENTER LAND-USE CATEGORY. SO, IN YOUR HAND OUT , I'VE TRIED TO ITEMIZE THOSE CHANGES FOR YOU. THE FIRST IS POLICY ONE POINT FOR POINT ONE . THERE ARE ACTUALLY FOUR CHANGES IN THAT TABLE RELATED TO THIS TABLE . AND I SORT OF PREFER THIS BY SAYING IN THE CONFERENCE OF PLAN, THERE IS VILLAGE CENTER AS A USE, AND IT DESCRIBES BOTH VILLAGE CENTER IN INTERCHANGE VILLAGE CENTERS. IN THE TABLE OF ALL OF THE USES , ONLY BE VILLAGE CENTER WAS LISTED. I DID NOT LIST INTERCHANGE VILLAGE CENTER SEPARATELY . THAT HAS LED TO A LOT OF CONFUSION. SO, THE INTENT HERE IS TO PROVIDE CLARITY, REALLY.

WITH THE ADDITION OF INTERCHANGE VILLAGE CENTER. THE TYPE USE, THE BASE DENSITY ARE THE SAME AS IS IN VILLAGE CENTER. SO, IS NOT A CHANGE , BUT JUST SORT OF IN ADDITION TO THE TABLE. AT THE SAME TIME, JUST FOR CLARITY'S SAKE, WE ARE ADDING AN ACRE TO THE MASTER PLAN COMMUNITY ONE, BECAUSE IT WAS LEFT OFF. WE ADDED THE WORD THAT TO LAKE ASBURY ACTIVITY CENTER. IT WAS A MISSING ISSUE. AND IN THE FOOTNOTES BELOW THE POLICIES, THERE ARE TWO POLICIES LISTED THERE , AND THE POLICY NUMBERS WERE WRONG. SO, THAT'S JUST A CORRECTION. ON THE NEXT PAGE , WE HAVE THE PRINCIPAL CHANGES TO POLICY ONE POINT FOR PER 10 . THE FIRST THING WE DID IS WE COPY THE DENSITY LANGUAGE FROM THE VILLAGE CENTER TO INTERCHANGE VILLAGE CENTER. IS NOT REALLY PROVIDED IN THE TABLE. THE TABLE IS DIFFERENT. SO, WE HAVE JUST TAKEN THE SAME TWO PARAGRAPHS AND ADDED THOSE UNDER THE INTERCHANGE VILLAGE SECTION. THE SECOND PARAGRAPH HAS TO DO WITH THE CONNECTIVITY AT THE CIVIC AND PARK LANGUAGE. IN ADDITION, WE ADDED BOTH THE INTERCHANGE VILLAGE CENTERS , AND ALLOWANCE FOR AUTO ORIENTED USES THAT ARE ADJACENT TO THE INTERCHANGE, PROVIDED THAT CONNECTIONS ARE MAINTAINED. THEN THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST AN INCREASE TO THE MAXIMUM COMMERCIAL/RETAIL USE THAT IS ALLOWED IN THE INTERCHANGE VILLAGE CENTER FROM 40% TO 65% , AND I WOULD APPLY TO BOTH IBCS. CURRENTLY, THE CODE IS WRITTEN TO ALLOW UP TO 10 VILLAGE CENTERS , TWO OF WHICH ARE THESE INTERCHANGE VILLAGE CENTERS THAT ARE DESCRIBED IN THE POLICY. AND THEN THERE ARE SOME SECONDARY CHANGES. WE ADDED HEADINGS TO THE TWO DIFFERENT VILLAGE CENTERS , JUST TO CLARIFY WHICH SECTION WE ADDED A CORRECTION TO THE OBJECTION TO THE POLICY, WE HAD A DAY TO THE ORDINANCE AND CHANGED VILLAGE CENTERS OF LESS THAN 10 ACRES, AND OUT OF THE WORD LAND-USE AFTER RURAL COMMUNITY, JUST TRYING TO BRING A LITTLE MORE CLARITY TO THIS SECTION OF THE CODE THAT WAS A LITTLE VAGUE. THE LAKE AS THERE IS ADVISORY HEARD THE ITEM .

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AND RECOMMEND THIS COMP CHANGE. >> YES, YOU HAVE A QUESTION?

>> THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN. WHAT IS THE CURRENT RESIDENTIAL

PERCENTAGE? >> IF THE PERSON IS A MOSIMAN

MINIMUM. >> IT'S IN PERCENT? THANK YOU.

>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? >> I WAS ALSO GOING TO ASK, BUT THE MINIMUM CIVIC PARTY IS AT 15, WHAT IS THAT NOW ?

>> IT'S 10 NOW. >> IS TO RESIDENTIAL AND 10 FOR PARKS? AND THEY WANTED 70 , WHICH REALLY THEIR THING 70% GOING FROM 40 , BECAUSE STAFF, YOU'RE OKAY WITH THE RETAIL

FROM 40 TO 65% . >> CORRECT, YEAH.

>> THEY WERE POPPING ON ANOTHER 5% ON THAT. OKAY. THAT IS ALL.

>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF AT THIS TIME? SO, THERE

IS AN APPLICANT . >> OH, I'M SORRY, I MIGHT'VE HAD ONE MORE QUESTION. IN THIS TABLE , WHERE YOU ADDED INTERCHANGE VILLAGE, AND SO THEY WERE BASICALLY THE SAME, BUT THEY ARE NOT THE SAME IN THE TABLE. SO, I NEED TO

UNDERSTAND THAT. >> WELL, THERE ARE THREE TABLES ALTOGETHER . SO, THERE IS -- ARE YOU TALKING AT THE TABLE

AND POLICY 141? >> YEAH.

>> YOU KNOW, AND BASE DENSITY, IT LOOKS, YOU KNOW , ONE OF THEM IS SIX UNITS, THE OTHER ONE IS A TWO UNITS . SO, I'M NOT SURE WHERE THEY ARE NOT MATCHED. IT FEASIBLE TO

EXPLAIN. >> AND THAT'S BECAUSE WE ARE MATCHING WITH THE VILLAGE CENTER FOR SINGLE-FAMILY ATTACHED AND MULTI FAMILY . THAT IS THE SIX AND 10. WERE

YOU LOOKING AT THE DETACHED? >> I WAS LOOKING RIGHT HERE IN THIS ONE, 141. THE INTERCHANGE VILLAGE CENTER AND THE ACTIVITY CENTER, THESE LOOK THE SAME. BUT THIS IS SIX UNITS AND THIS

IS A TWO UNITS. >> WELL, THEY ARE SIMILAR , BUT THOSE ACTIVITY CENTERS IN THE VILLAGE CENTERS ARE TWO

DIFFERENT USES. >> I THOUGHT I HEARD YOU SAY EARLIER THAT THEY WERE BASICALLY LISTED TOGETHER. IF THIS TABLE IS RIGHT, THAT'S ALL I WANT TO KNOW. IT IS WANT

TO KNOW IS NOT A TYPO. >> NO, IF ANY TYPO.

>> OKAY. ARE YOU READY TO HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT?

>> PLEASE PROCEED. >> GOOD EVENING, SUSAN FRAZIER.

3517 PARK STREET IN JACKSONVILLE. I ECHO COMMISSIONER ANZALONE. WE WILL KEEP IT SHORT AND SWEET. THIS AMENDMENT WAS AN ATTEMPT TO CLEAN UP A LITTLE BIT OF THE IVC LANGUAGE. ACTUALLY CREATED THE IVC LAND USE CATEGORY WHEN THE INTERCHANGES WERE ADDED ON THE BELTWAY. WHEN THE BELTWAY WAS FIRST IN ALIGNMENT, THERE IS NO INTERCHANGE AT HANLEY .

THEY ADDED THE INTERCHANGE, SO, WE TOOK THE PIECE OF VILLAGE CENTER AND MOVED IT OVER AND DID THAT. THAT IS WHY THAT VILLAGE CENTER IS SO SMALL. IT'S 18.75 ACRES . IT WAS ONE QUARTER OF A 75 ACRE VILLAGE CENTER THAT WAS ON THE MAP FROM 2006. THAT IS WHY IT HAS THAT SPECIFIC ACREAGE. WHEN WE LOOKED AT THE 40% THAT IS ALLOWED, THE 40% COMMERCIAL IS ALLOWED NO, THAT'S ABOUT SEVEN AND HALF ACRES OF COMMERCIAL , AND THERE'S A LOT OF DEMAND FOR COMMERCIAL. THE HOUSE ROOFTOPS THAT ARE COMING IN LAKE AS VERY ARE, AS YOU HERE EVERY NIGHT, MORE THAN PEOPLE CAN HANDLE , SO WE ARE HERE TO

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AT THE INTERCHANGES -- SO, THE COUNTY ESTABLISHED VILLAGE CENTERS, AND VILLAGE CENTERS ARE SUPPOSED TO HAVE ANGLED PARKING , WE HAVE LITTLE SHOPS AND LITTLE RESTAURANTS. BUT AT THE INTERCHANGE VILLAGE CENTERS , IT WAS SPECIFICALLY CREATED TO ALLOW MORE REGIONAL SCALE USES . THAT GAS STATION IS SOMETHING MASSIVELY WANTS. AT CRACKER BARREL. THINGS LIKE THE COLD AND BIGGER GROCERY STORES THAT YOU CAN'T HAVE ANY VILLAGE CENTER. THAT IS WHERE HE SAID PEOPLE ARE GOING TO GO, BOTH FROM OUTSIDE THE AREA AND INSIDE THE AREA. IT'S A MAJOR SHOPPING NODE. THIS APPLICATION WAS PRIMARILY TO SAY THAT THE 18.75 ACRES , WE THOUGHT A LITTLE BIT MORE COMMERCIAL WOULD BE APPROPRIATE. THE ONLY OTHER INTERCHANGE VILLAGE CENTER IN THE LAND-USE THAT WAY GAS. MASTER PLAN IS THAT STATE ROAD 16. THAT IS THAT 150 ACRE INTERCHANGE VILLAGE CENTER. AT THE 65% , THAT ALSO GOES UP , BUT AGAIN, WE ARE LOOKING AT THAT PART OF THE COUNTY, STATE ROAD 16, ABOUT WHERE THE FAIRGROUNDS ARE. THERE WILL NOT BE COWS ENTRIES THERE FOR LONG, AND THEY ARE ALSO GOING TO BE LOOKING FOR A LOT OF RETAIL.

ALL OF THE OTHER STANDARDS FOR INTERCHANGE VILLAGE CENTERS STAY THE SAME , AND THERE IS A CLARIFICATION FROM THE CAC, THE RECOMMENDATION WAS IF YOU WANT TO 0% RESIDENTIAL AND THEY SAID WHAT ARE YOU DOING WITH THAT? AND WE SAID WELL, WE HAVE A COUPLE OF ACRES, AND THERE ARE 12 TOWNHOUSES. LIKE, WE NEED IT. BUT THAT'S WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE. IT'S 12 TOWNHOUSES IN AND AMONG THE COMMERCIAL. SO, THEY SAID PRACTICALLY FOR THAT ONE, NOT FOR THE BIG ONE, MAKING IT IF YOU CHOOSE TO DO ZERO, THAT WOULD NOT BE AN EVIL THING FOR THAT PARTICULAR IVC.

BUT INSTEAD OF THAT 10% IS BECOMING COMMERCIAL OR WHATEVER , YOU WOULD EXCHANGE IT FOR 5% MORE CIVIC , LIKE A LITTLE MORE OPEN SPACE , AND YOU COULD OF THE COMMERCIAL. THE RECOMMENDATION WAS IF YOU WANTED TO RESIDENTIAL, PLEASE GO AHEAD. NO PROBLEM. BUT IF YOU'RE TRYING TO SHOEHORN ONE POINT IN ACRES OF RESIDENTIAL AND THERE , IT JUST DOES NOT CREATE A VIABLE COMMUNITY , THEN YOU MIGHT NOT HAVE THAT OPTION. WE ARE FINE EITHER WAY. WE HAVE A SAY PLAN FOR THIS AUTHORITY APPROVED THAT HAS TWO ACRES OF ESSENTIAL ON ITS, AND WE ARE FINE WITH THAT. BUT WE APPRECIATE THE CONSIDERATION ABOUT HOW THE SITES MIGHT NOT BE APPROPRIATE. ALL OF THE OTHER EDITIONS ARE CLEANUP. AGAIN, WE CREATED THE IVC. IT WAS REALLY ABOUT ALLOWING REGIONAL SCALE COMMERCIAL. WE DID NOT TOUCH ANY OF THE RESIDENTIAL , AND WE CLEARLY LEFT OUT SOME OF THE DETAILS. THIS IS FIXING THAT AND MAKING IT SPECIFICALLY THE SAME AS VILLAGE CENTER , BUT THE WORDS ARE IN THE RIGHT PLACE. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

>> YOU NEED TO OPEN PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS. YOU DO NOT HAVE ANY CARDS, BUT I WILL OPEN A PUBLIC HEARING. IS THERE ANYONE WHO WISHES TO BE HEARD ON THIS MATTER? WELL, OKAY. I BEG YOUR PARDON. INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND MAKE YOUR

COMMENTS. >> THANK YOU. MY NAME IS GARY.

11 3272 CROCUS LANE , GREEN COVE SPRINGS.

>> SORRY ABOUT THAT. >> GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS.

I WANTED TO KEEP THIS UNDER THREE MINUTES. IT'S VERY LATE.

I ONLY HAVE THREE MINUTES. THAT WAS A JOKE! MY HOME, WHICH IS A NEW HOME AND VILLAGE PARK IS THE CLOSEST TO THIS -- WELL, APPROVED IVC. IT'S INTERCHANGE VILLAGE CENTER. WE DON'T NEED MORE RESIDENTIAL TO BE HONEST WITH YOU. I LIKE THIS PROPOSAL.

BECAUSE WE ARE SURROUNDED BY HOMES THERE. THESE ARE SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES. WE DON'T NEED TOWNHOMES. WE NEED RETAIL AND COMMERCIAL. SO, I AGREE WITH WHAT THEY ARE TRYING TO DO HERE. INCREASING THE COMMERCIAL RETAIL , DECREASING RESIDENTIAL, WHICH WE DON'T NEED . WE HAVE GOT THE HIGHLAND TRAIL WITH 1500 HOMES. THESE ARE ALL SINGLE FAMILIES. WE DON'T NEED TOWNHOMES. AND THEN I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING PARK AREAS FROM 10 TO 15%. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT HIGHER, BECAUSE THIS WHOLE AREA IS A WOODED AREA. IT'S FULL OF ANIMALS.

YOU KNOW, WE SPOKE ABOUT THOSE. AS A FAMILY OF COTTONTAIL DO

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THANK YOU. >> IS THERE ANY OTHER MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC I WOULD LIKE TO BE HEARD ON THIS MATTER? IF NOT, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND THE APPLICANT CAN RESPOND .

>> THE ONLY THING ON THE SIGN, THIS IS THE TEXT MINUTE.

>> NO, AS A TEXT AMENDMENT, IS LEGALLY BINDING.

>> BUT SHE'S RIGHT. THANK YOU. WITH THE PLEASURE OF THE

COMMISSION ON THIS ? >> I WAS FULLY READY TO SUPPORT THE STAFF AND NOT THE CAC , BUT AFTER HEARING FROM THE GENTLEMAN , I THINK HE'S RIGHT. MS. FRAZIER, IF THAT IS ALL WE HAVE GOT FOR RESIDENTIAL AND THERE , I AM NOT SURE IF YOU TOWNHOMES, THERE IS REASON FOR THEM. THEY WOULD PROBABLY RENT OKAY , BUT IF THE PLEASURE IS TO MOVE THAT TO PARK USE, THE ONLY CHANGE I WOULD MAKE IS MAKE IT DECREASED TO ZERO AND CHANGE THE PARK USED TO 20% , AND LEAVE THE COMMERCIAL AT THE 65% THAT YOU ASKED FOR IT TO BEGIN WITH.

>> IS THAT EMOTION? >> I CAN MAKE IT EMOTION.

>> SO MOVED! >> LET ME CLARIFY THE MOTION. I WOULD MOVE THAT WE SUPPORT THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION , AND INCORPORATE THE LAKE PENNY FARM CAC ITEMS TO DECREASE THE MINIMUM RESIDENTIAL TO ZERO AND CHANGE TO INCREASE THE MINIMUM CIVIC PARK USE TO 20% , AND NO CHANGE ON THE COMMERCIAL RETAIL , BECAUSE IS ARTY MENTIONED A 65% OF THE STAFF REPORT.

>> IN THE CAC, THERE WAS ONLY APPLIED --

>> FOR HENLEY ROAD. >> YEP, THANK YOU.

>> SO, THAT ONLY APPLIES TO THAT?

>> YES, HENLEY ROAD. CORRECT. >> AND ASK A QUESTION BEFORE WE

GET A SECOND? >> SURE.

>> I MEAN, HONESTLY, YES, IT IS A NUMBER. IF YOU ACTUALLY ADD UP THE MINIMUM 27 , 10 OFFICE, AND FIVE -- AM SORRY. THE COMMERCIAL RETAIL WOULD BE 70. YOU COULD DO THAT. YEAH. THE ME TELL YOU LITTLE BIT ABOUT CIVIC AND COMMERCIAL USES IF I COULD.

CAN I TALK NOW? >>

>> SO, I HAVE DONE CIVIC -- >> I AM GOING TO WITHDRAW MY

MOTION UNTIL SUCH TIME. >> I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THE

DIFFERENCE. >> SO, THE CIVIC AND RETAIL USES , I DID THE CIVIC IN THE LOW . YOU KNOW HOME DEPOT AND LOWE'S IN THE BELTWAY WHERE IT HAS 21?

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>> SO, IF WE WANT TO 10% -- WE DECREASE THE 15% TO 10% AND HAD ZERO ON RESIDENTIAL, WE COULD ACTUALLY INCREASE THE COMMERCIAL RETAIL UP TO 80?

>> IN THE CIVIC TODAY AT 10%. WE ARE PERFECTLY FINE WITH THAT. THAT'S A GREAT RING. YESTERDAY GOING TO MAKE THE COMMERCIAL MORE, WE ARE HAPPY WITHOUT YOU.

>> I'LL MAKE ANOTHER MOTION. YOU WILL LIKE THIS ONE EITHER.

I WILL MOVE THE STAFF REPORT, AND NOT INCORPORATE THE CAC CHANGES . JUST WHAT STAFF WORKED OUT.

>> I WILL SECOND THAT. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL OF THOSE IN

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FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE. >> AYE.

>> AYE. >> AYE.

>> ANY OPPOSED ? MOTION CARRIES. AT THIS TIME, THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA OF PRESENTATIONS. THANK YOU. I AM NOT AWARE OF ANY . I WAS STILL LIKE TO RECEIVE THE MATERIALS FROM THE CONTINUING EDUCATION WHEN YOU ALL HAVE A CHANCE. "

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>> I MISSED IT. I AM SORRY. BUT I THINK IT WAS AT THE LINK,

MARY, SO I CAN'T REMEMBER. >> THE PLANNING EDUCATION. I

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BUSINESS? >> I WOULD LIKE TO FOLLOW UP ON THE, THE ABOUT THE CONTINUING AT THE TRAINING THAT WE WANT TO. IT WAS FANTASTIC. IT WAS MORE THAN I IMAGINED DISCUSSION ABOUT EX PARTE COMMUNICATIONS, AND IS BEEN EITHER THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING OR IS THERE FIVE MINUTES TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT IT. THE OTHER, BUT I HAD NO IDEA OF IS THAT THE COUNTY ATTORNEY -- WHEN WE HAD THIS CONVERSATION ABOUT EX PARTE COMMUNICATION , WHO THE COUNTY ATTORNEY IS REPRESENTING, NOT US . I DID NOT REALIZE THAT.

>> EXPERT TAKE MEDICATION BETWEEN HOUMA?

>> THAT'S WHEN YOU HAVE COMMUNICATION, LAY, YOU GET PHONE CALLS FROM PEOPLE . IF YOU RUN INTO SOMEBODY OR AN APPLICANT, THE NEWLY FOR THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, THEY WANT TO HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH YOU.

APPARENTLY THAT IS ILLEGAL TO DO. BUT YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO DISCLOSE IT. IT JUST WAS A VERY HELPFUL CONVERSATION FOR ME, BECAUSE IT'S A VERY CASUAL ATTITUDE HERE. SURE, TAKE THE PHONE CALL FROM THE DEVELOPER. DON'T TALK ABOUT IT FOR 20 MINUTES. NOBODY HERE KNOWS ABOUT IT, SUCCUMB HERE AND THEY HAD A PHONE CALL FROM THE DEVELOPER. GREAT. WHAT DID YOU WILL TALK ABOUT? I DID NOT GET HERE. SO, IT IS TRULY A ONE-SIDED CONVERSATION. BE ADVISED THAT WE WERE GIVEN AT THE MEETING WAS DON'T TAKE THE PHONE CALL. IT'S FINE IF YOU TALK TO THEM, YOU HAVE TO DECLARE WHEN YOU COME HERE.

THINK ABOUT HOW THE CITIZEN FEELS ABOUT THAT. IS THAT A 20 MINUTE CONVERSATION WITH THE DEVELOPER WHERE THEY ARE PITCHING THEIR AGENT AND THEY ARE TELLING YOU WHAT A GREAT DEVELOPER THIS IS. THEY GET THREE MINUTES. I UNDERSTAND THAT. TO ME, IT WAS HELPFUL AND HEALTHY -- YEAH, TELL THEM NO, NOT GOING TO TALK TO YOU. ,. TOLD ME -- EXACTLY. RIGHT. I AM JUST THING THAT NOBODY EVER SAID THAT TO ME.

>> HAVE BEEN IN THIS BUSINESS A LONG TIME , I THINK IT IS HEALTHY. HE CAN DO WHAT YOU WANT TO. I JUST THINK IT WAS AN IMPORTANT DISCUSSION. THEY SPENT AN HOUR PLUS OF THE DAY TALKING ABOUT IT. AND THERE WAS GREAT DISCUSSION AMONG THE 40, 50, 60, HOWEVER MANY WERE THERE IN THE ROOM. IS OBVIOUSLY INTERESTING. IT'S ALREADY 10:00 OR WHATEVER.

>> YOU HAVE TO SAY, YOU CAN SAY TO ME AND THE PUBLIC MEETING SO EVERYBODY CAN HEAR IT. IF YOU DO, LIKE YOU SAID, IT DOESN'T SEEM APPROPRIATE WHEN YOU SAY, CAN MORNING? THINK 20 MINUTES YOU HAVE TO DISCLOSE. I TALKED TO THEM. IT WAS A 30 MINUTE CONVERSATION, AND HERE IS WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT OR SOMETHING.

JUST TO, YOU KNOW, THERE IS TOO MUCH THAT CAN GO ON. AND I KNOW WHAT GOES ON ALL OF THE TIME , BUT I NEVER THOUGHT IT WAS A

GOOD IDEA. >> I WILL BE THE ANTITHESIS TO THAT , BECAUSE I DISAGREE. I'VE HAD CONSTITUENTS CALL ME AND WANT TO TALK ABOUT CONCERNS ABOUT AN APPLICATION THAT IS COMING. I TAKE THOSE PHONE CALLS JUST LIKE TO TAKE A PHONE CALL FROM A DEVELOPER THAT SAYS HEY, I'VE GOT A DEVELOPMENT. I WANT TO GET YOUR THOUGHTS ON IT BEFORE I PUT IT IN FRONT OF THE GROUP. WE ARE ALLOWED TO DO THAT LEGALLY. THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH US DOING THAT. AND I CAN'T SAY I HAVE DONE IT WITH A DEVELOPER, BUT I HAVE CERTAINLY DONE IT WITH A LOT OF THE CITIZENS WHO HAVE VOICED CONCERNS ABOUT IT. ANY TAKE

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>> I WAS TAKE THE CALLS AS WELL. I HAVE HAD ONE REQUEST A MEETING DOWN ON ONE 17, AND I MET WITH THE PERSON THAT TIME.

IN THE DEVELOPER TONIGHT CALLED ME. I THOUGHT IT WAS GOOD MANNERS. OR, HE EMAILED ME AND AND ASKED FOR A CONVERSATION.

IT'S SORT OF LIKE OUR BOSSES. THE COMMISSIONERS. THE MEET WITH CONSTITUENTS ALL THE TIME. AND WE ARE AN EXTENSION OF THAT. TO ME, I LISTEN TO WHAT THEY HAVE TO SAY . I HAD ASKED FOR ADVICE ON WHETHER OR NOT THAT WAS APPROPRIATE, AND I

THOUGHT THAT IT WAS. >> PUT IT IN DETAIL.

>> IF WE WERE TO GO OUT INTO LOOK AT A SITE ABOUT DISCLOSING

THAT AS WELL -- >> WELL, AND SUBSEQUENTLY THE MATERIALS TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT IT. ALL RIGHT.

>> SHOULD THERE BE A TIME LIMIT ON APPLICANTS AND PRESENTATIONS? I DON'T WANT AN ANSWER TONIGHT , BUT I THINK IT

IS DISCUSSION. THANK YOU. >> A LOT OF THAT IS THIS REPETITION OF WHAT WE HAVE ALREADY DONE. WE HAVEN'T ON THE LAST PUBLIC COMMENT! ANY CITIZENS HERE WHO WISH TO BE HEARD? PROBABLY OUR DEPUTIES WOULD LIKE TO GO HOME. SO, I AM SEEING SOMEONE COME FORWARD, CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD OUR NEXT PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING IS SCHEDULED FOR TUESDAY, JANUARY THE SEVENTH, 2025. HAPPY HOLIDAYS TO EVERYBODY.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.