Nov 26, 2024 BCC Agenda

[CALL TO ORDER]

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>>> OF ANNOUNCEMENTS THE COUNTY MANAGER WOULD LIKE

TO -- >> ON DOWN THE TECHNOLOGY IN THE STUDIO HERE FOR SWITCH, SO WE WILL BE DOWN ON FACEBOOK SOME WHO ARE OUT THERE ON OUR WEBSITE.

AND I WAS CHECKING IT EARLIER CHANNEL 260 ALSO WORKED WITH VOLUME THAT'S THERE. WE APOLOGIZE, AND THAT WILL PREVENT US FROM SHOWING THINGS ON THE SCREEN. CHAIRMAN WILL KIND OF MODIFY ACCORDINGLY FROM THERE.

AND WE ARE TAPING FOR THIS.

>> THAT WILL BE POSTED ON OUR WEBSITE WITH OUR NORMAL

VIDEOS. >> THAT'S

CORRECT. >> WITHOUT FURTHER COMMENT, WE'LL BEGIN WITH PLEASE RISE FOR THE INVOCATION WITH COMMISSIONER

COMPERE. >> PLEASE BOW.

GRACIOUS LORD, WE THANK YOU FOR THIS DAY. WE THANK YOU, LORD, FOR EVERY BLESSING WE ENJOY. WE'RE ESPECIALLY GRATEFUL THIS WEEK AS WE CELEBRATE THANKSGIVING. THE ABUNDANCE THAT WE'VE ENJOYED AS AMERICANS. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU, LORD.

TONIGHT STARTS THE BEGINNING OF A NEW ERA.

LORD, I ASK THAT YOU WOULD BE WITH THIS BOARD. WE'RE ASKING FOR A SPECIAL BLESSING COMMISSIONER SGROMOLO AS HE JOINS THE MAKE- UP OF THIS BOARD. FOR ALL OF US I'M ASKING FOR AN UNDERSTANDING MIND.

[PET ADOPTIONS]

[Clay Soil and Water - Wes Taylor]

[CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICERS]

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>> WITH THAT, WE'LL MOVE ONTO -- WHERE ARE WE MOVING ONTO? CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICERS, THE CLERK HERE, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING? I DON'T SEE THE UNDERSHERIFF. DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING FOR US? OKAY. AND WE HAD OUR PROPERTY APPRAISER HERE EARLIER, BUT I DON'T SEE HIM, AND THAT'S THE ONLY ONES I RECOGNIZE. SO THANK YOU ALL FOR ATTENDING

[APPROVAL OF MINUTES]

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MOTION. >> MOVE FOR

APPROVAL. >>

SECOND. >> A MOTION FOR A SECOND TO APPROVE THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONER MEETING MINUTES FROM NOVEMBER 12, 2024. ANY COMMENTS, QUESTIONS, OR

[PUBLIC COMMENTS]

PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. WE'LL MOVE INTO PUBLIC COMMENTS, BUT BEFORE WE GO, THIS PORTION OF THE AGENDA IS DESIGNED TO ALLOW CITIZENS AN OPPORTUNITY TO BRING MATTERS TO THE ATTENTION OF THIS BOARD.

AT THIS TIME THE BOARD WILL NOT ENGAGE IN DEBATE OR ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, BUT YOU MAY E- MAIL THE COMMISSION WITH YOUR QUESTIONS AT ASKCLAY@CLAYCOUNTYGOV.COM. YOU MAY E- MAIL YOUR QUESTIONS.

IF YOU FILLED ONE OUT, AND I SEE WE HAVE QUITE A FEW ALREADY, YOU CAN GIVE THEM TO OUR CLERK HERE ON MY RIGHT. AND YOU'RE LIMITED TO 3 MINUTES TO EXPLAIN YOUR PROBLEM OR ISSUE BEFORE ADDRESSING THE ORDER. BUT PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. WE'RE HAVING A LITTLE BIT OF TECHNOLOGICAL PROBLEM HERE TONIGHT. SO THE CARDS I HAVE ARE HERE.

SO THE FIRST ONE IS MR. SCOTT.

>> HI, I RETIRED FROM THE FIRE DEPARTMENT ABOUT FIVE YEARS AGO PLUS. I'VE HERE BECAUSE OF THE INSURANCE AND THE WAY I'VE BEEN TREATED AND ALL THE RETIREES.

THE INFORMATION THAT'S OUT THERE HAS BEEN VERY POORLY GIVEN. I'M GOING TO START WITH THE HISTORY. THE HISTORY OF THE FIRE DEPARTMENT STARTED WITH CHARLES MANY, MANY YEARS AGO. HE WAS THE PUBLIC SAFETY DIRECTOR. THE WHOLE SYSTEM WAS VOLUNTEER BACK THEN. THEN WE WENT TO JIM CORBIN.

JIM CORBIN STARTED TO GET THE PEOPLE MANNED AND ALL THE OTHER STUFF. THEN FROM JIM CORBIN WENT TO DAVE CASEY AND FRANK, AND NOW WE HAVE LAUREN MOCK. LAUREN MOCK HAS MADE THE FIRE DEPARTMENT GROW IMMENSELY, WHICH IS VERY, VERY GOOD. WHEN WE FIRST STARTED WE GOT PAID VERY TERRIBLE. IT WAS MYSELF IN THE NORTH END BY MYSELF ON THE FIRE TRUCK. THERE WAS NO OTHER HELP OTHER THAN I HAD RONNY RONNY GAHN FROM THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE. AND WE'D GO ON CALLS TOGETHER.

MY HISTORY AND I DON'T WANT TO REALLY BE UP HERE BECAUSE THIS IS THE THIRD TIME I'VE BEEN UP HERE, AND I TALKED TO MS. BURKE ABOUT IT, TOO.

THE FIRST TIME I WAS UP HERE WE HAD A CRASH AND WE HAD THREE CHILDREN KILL. I SAID THAT INTERSECTION NEEDED TO BE CHANGED. A YEAR AND A HALF LATER MY WAS KILL IN THE SAME INTERSECTION.

IT WAS SAD AND IT WAS BAD IT HAPPENED THAT WAY. I FEEL THE SAME WAY THE MISINFORMATION GOING ON RIGHT NOW WITH INSURANCE.

WE'VE BEEN TOLD BY THE COUNTY WE COULD OPT OUT OF THE INSURANCE AND WE COULD OPT BACK INTO THE INSURANCE. AND WE'VE ALWAYS BEEN TOLD IF YOU'RE A RETIREE, WE'D TREAT YOU JUST LIKE THE MILITARY DID. IF YOU DID 25 YEARS OF HIGH RISK RETIREMENT, OR YOU DID A 30- YEAR REGULAR RISK, THAT THE COUNTY WOULD TAKE CARE OF YOU AND PROVIDE YOUR HEALTH INSURANCE. THAT'S CHANGED SINCE THE BEGINNING OF TIME. THERE'S NOTHING IN WRITING. IT TOOK ME A YEAR TO GET THIS PIECE OF PAPER FROM THE STAFF THAT SAYS ABOUT THE INSURANCE PROGRAM. AND ON THE COST ITSELF, THIS WAS DATED IN 2009 THAT THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT Y'ALL PAID TOWARDS THE FAMILY COVERAGE WAS $400.

I THINK THAT'S WHAT IT IS TODAY.

THAT'S 15 YEARS LATER, AND I HAVE A ISSUE WITH SOME OF THAT STUFF. MY LIFESTYLE CHANGED AND WE USED TO BE TREATED LIKE A COUNTY EMPLOYEE.

IT CHANGED BECAUSE I GUESS THEY DIDN'T LIKE IT, I DON'T KNOW. IT'S COST- EFFECTIVE, JUST LIKE THEY TOLD ME WHEN MY DAUGHTER GOT KILLED. THE REASON THE INTERSECTION DIDN'T CHANGE IS IT WAS COST TO THE COUNTY AND TO THE STATE.

AND IT WAS GOING TO BE ON THE AGENDA BUT IT DIDN'T HAPPEN AT THAT POINT.

MY DAUGHTER WAS THE 106TH DEATH AT THAT INTERSECTION THAT YEAR.

HER DEATH SAVED LIVES. I'M HERE TO COMPLAIN. I THINK THAT THERE SHOULD BE A POLICY, AND LIKE I SAID THEY GAVE ME SOMETHING THAT WAS DATED AND I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF IT'S TRUE POLICY OR NOT THAT SAYS ABOUT THE INSURANCE AND ALL THE OTHER STUFF.

I NEVER SAW IT. I NEVER -- I NEVER SIGNED IT

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>> THANK YOU. THE NEXT ONE I HAVE CLARENCE AND FELICIA HAMPSHIRE.

>> GOOD EVENING. I'M HERE TO SAY THANK YOU TO THE COUNTY COMMISSIONER.

WE HAD THE MEMORIAL CEREMONY FOR THE -- AND IT WAS A GREAT DAY. ALTHOUGH WE GOT RAIN, BUT WE HAD A GREAT TURNOUT. AND WE'RE JUST HERE TO SAY THANK YOU FOR SUPPORTING US AND WE WANT TO THANK MS. BETSEY CONDON FOR COMING OUT ALSO AND FOR ALL YOU'RE HELPING US AND WHAT YOU'RE ABOUT TO DO. WE THANK YOU.

AND THE COMMUNITY IS VERY HAPPY, AND THEY'RE STILL TALKING ABOUT IT. AND WE'RE ON THE FRONT PAGE, YOU KNOW, SO THERE WAS A BIG WRITE UP ON IT, AND A LOT OF PEOPLE CAME FROM DIFFERENT AREAS JUST TO SEE IT AND SUPPORT IT. AND WE JUST WANTED TO COME AND SAY THANK YOU.

>> SO WHO WON THE GAME? WE ALWAYS HAVE TO SAY WE DID, BUT NO ONE RAN THE BASES. BUT, AGAIN, WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT IN EVERYTHING.

>> THANK YOU FOR YOUR ACTIVITY IN THE COUNTY. IT'S REALLY WORTHWHILE TO CONSTITUENTS TO SEE THE HISTORY AND CURRENCY AND THE FUTURE.

AND FULISHA, I DON'T KNOW WHERE SHE IS. THANK YOU FOR ALL YOU

DO. >> THERESA MATHON.

EPISCOPAL CHILDREN SERVICES.

>> OUR ADDRESS IS 8649 BAY PINE WAY, JACKSONVILLE, FLORIDA, 32226. DECISIONS ARE GOING TO BE MADE TONIGHT AS FAR AS NON- PROFIT FUNDING PROGRAMS, APPLICATIONS AND AWARDS GO. WE WANTED TO TAKE A MINUTE AND THANK YOU REGARDLESS OF TONIGHT'S OUTCOME.

YOU'VE SUPPORTED EPISCOPAL CHILDREN SERVICES WITH MATCHING FUNDS FOR THE PAST -- I'VE BEEN WITH EPISCOPAL 25 YEARS AND YOU'VE BEEN MAKING THIS GRANT TO US FOR 25 YEARS.

THE FUNDS HELP US MEET THE 6% FEDERAL MATCHING REQUIREMENT, AND THEY WERE MATCHED IN RECENT YEARS BY THE STATE AS WELL WITH A ONE-TO-ONE MATCH. THAT MEANS YOUR SUPPORT HAS HELPED SERVE AN EXTRA 45 CHILDREN EVERY YEAR THAT WOULDN'T HAVE GOTTEN SERVED OTHERWISE. WE SERVED 1,100 CLAY COUNTY CHILDREN MONTHLY IN SUBSIDIZED CHILD CARE WITH 900 FROM LOW INCOME WORKING FAMILIES.

WE CURRENTLY CONTRACT WITH 82 CHILD CARE PROVIDERS IN CLAY COUNTY SUPPORTING LOCAL BUSINESSES AND FAMILIES WHO COULDN'T PREVIOUSLY AFFORD CHILD CARE CAN NOW WORK AND EARN INCOME THERE BY HELPING LOCAL BUSINESS.

IT'S MEANT SO MUCH TO US BECAUSE ALTHOUGH CS IS A VERY LARGE ORGANIZATION, WE HAVE MATCHING PROGRAMS. WELL OVER A COUPLE MILLION DOLLARS IN MATCH WE HAVE TO RAISE. FOR HEADSTART SOME OF THAT CAN BE VOLUNTEER HOURS, SOME CAN BE OTHER IN KIND DONATIONS.

BUT FOR THIS IN PARTICULAR WE NEED CASH.

THAT'S THE ONLY THING THIS STATE RECOGNIZES TO GIVE YOU THE ONE-TO- ONE MATCH. UNFORTUNATELY, SCHOOL READINESS ISN'T REALLY A GOOD FIT FOR A LOT OF OTHER KINDS OF PHILANTHROPIC ACTIVITIES.

THEY DON'T -- YOU CAN'T NECESSARILY WRITE A GRANT TO SOME FOUNDATION FOR THIS BECAUSE THEY LIKE TO FUND PROJECTS, AND THIS IS AN ONGOING NEED, AND IT'S ALSO SOMETHING THAT'S FUNDED LOCALLY, NORMALLY. MOST OF THE TIME IT'S EITHER COUNTY OR CITY GOVERNMENTS, OR IF ONE EXISTS, A CHILDREN'S COMMISSION ARE THE PEOPLE THAT PROVIDE THE MATCH FOR THIS THROUGHOUT FLORIDA. NEVERTHELESS, WE ARE COMMITTED TO SERVING CLAY COUNTY AS BEST AS WE CAN, AND WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO LOOK FOR OTHER FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES.

JUST BECAUSE IT'S DIFFICULT, DOESN'T MEAN WE'RE NOT GOING TO TRY. LAST THING WE WANT IS THIS CHANGE IN DIRECTION CLAY COUNTY IS TAKING US AS FAR AS NONPROFITS GO TO AFFECT OUR WORKING FAMILIES. ONCE AGAIN WE WANT TO THANK YOU

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I UNDERSTAND EVERYTHING'S CHANGING, BUT WE VERY MUCH APPRECIATE YOU. THANK

YOU. >> THANK YOU.

STEVEN RIZZO.

>> I'M STEVEN RIZZO, 10331033 ASBURY DRIVE. I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT POPULATION GROWTH, AND IT CAUSES US TO SPEND AN INCREDIBLE AMOUNT OF MONEY ON INFRASTRUCTURE AND ALSO DECREASES OUR QUALITY OF LIFE. WE DON'T WANT THIS EXPLOSIVE GROWTH HERE YET THROUGH TAX INCREASES TO PAY FOR THE INFRASTRUCTURE. WE'RE ESSENTIALLY ASUBSIDIZING THE GROWTH THAT WE DIDN'T WANT IN THE FIRST PLACE. I AM HERE TO ASK YOU TO INCREASE THE IMPACT FEE FOR ANY NEW HOUSES THAT COME UP IN OUR AREA.

THIS WILL LET THE NEW RESIDENTS PAY FOR THEIR OWN IMPACT INSTEAD OF US, INCREASE TO $50,000. THAT WILL SLOW THE GROWTH AND AVOID A LOT OF PROBLEMS. THAT WOULD BE MORE CONTROLLED, AND ESSENTIALLY THE NEW OWNERS WILL BE FUNDING THEIR OWN IMPACT, WHICH WOULD BE WONDERFUL.

I KNOW WE'RE GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT THE MORATORIUM LATER, AND I FULLY SUPPORT THAT EXTENSION. ISSUE NUMBER 2, I AM HERE TO ASK YOU TO PREPLAN TRAFFIC PATTERNS FOR WHEN YOU CLOSE THE INTERSECTION OF 220 AND HENLEY. A LOT OF TIMES WE DO DETOURS WE DON'T THINK ABOUT WHERE THE TRAFFIC IS GOING TO GO, SO I'D LIKE TO BRING IT TO YOUR ATTENTION THAT FOUR' WAY STOP SIGN ON HENLEY BETWEEN 220 AND BLANDING IS GOING TO BE A BOTTLENECK. SOMETHING HAS TO BE DONE BECAUSE ALL THE TRAFFIC THAT WAS GOING DOWN 220 WILL BE COMING UP HENLEY NOW, AND THAT FOUR-WAY STOP IS GOING TO BE A PROBLEM AND BACK US ALL THE WAY UP AND BE A NIGHTMARE.

I HOPE SOMETHING IS GOING TO BE DONE PRE- PLANNING WISE THERE. AND ALSO THAT LIGHT AT 220 AND HENLEY, TIMING'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE CHANGED TO PREFERENTIALLY GIVE MORE TIME TO NORTH/SOUTH TRAFFIC. THE LOCAL TRAFFIC COMING FROM 220 IS GOING TO BE MINIMAL, AND THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE LIMITED OPTIONS AS WELL. THE BIG ONE I WANT TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT IS THE LITTERING OF OUR HIGHWAYS WITH SIGNS FROM DEVELOPERS ESPECIALLY LANDMAR AND POULTY HOMES.

FROM 220 TO LAKE ASBURY DRIVE I KNOW IN YEARS GONE BY WE HAVE HAD AN ORDINANCE THAT WOULD FINE BUSINESSES FOR PUTTING NAR SIGNS UP ON OUR ROADWAYS. I THINK THE FINE WAS $500.

I CAN'T SEEM TO FIND ANYBODY THAT CAN LOOK UP WHAT THE ORDINANCE IS, WHAT THE FINE IS TO INENFORCE IT OR EVEN HAVE THESE SIGNS REMOVED. IF YOU WOULD DEPUTIZE ME I WOULD PERSONALLY TAKE A GOLF CART ALONG THERE AND TAKE THESE SIGNS DOWN. THEY DON'T BELONG THERE.

THEY MAKE IT LOOK TRASHY. ASKING FOR YOUR

HELP. >> OKAY, THANK YOU.

RICHARD KINSMAN.

>> RICHARD KINSMAN, THIS WILL BE A LITTLE SHORTER THAN NORMAL BECAUSE MR. RIZZO HAS SAID EVERYTHNG I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH. THIS UNSUSTAINABLE GROWTH HAS GOT TO STOP.

UNFORTUNATELY, EVEN WITH THESE $400,000 HOUSES THAT ARE NOW BEING SOLD, I DON'T THINK A $50,000 IMPACT FEE IS GOING TO BE ENOUGH. MAKE IT HIGHER, ANYTHING TO STOP THIS. THE COMMISSIONERS IN THIS COUNTY WERE FALLING ALL OVER THEMSELVES 15, 18 YEARS AGO WHEN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY DECIDED TO GO ON AN UNSUSTAINABLE GROWTH PATH, AND THEY DECIDED TO COPY THEM.

NOW ST. JOHNS HAS HAD IT, AND THEY'RE STOPPING EVERYTHING THAT THEY CAN. PEOPLE COME IN AND THEY WANT TO DEVELOP SOMETHING THEY'RE TELLING THEM NO, WE HAVE TO DO THE SAME THING.

I MEAN $400,000 FOR A HOUSE, THAT IS NOT AN INVESTMENT IN THE FUTURE.

YOU WON'T LIVE LONG ENOUGH TO GET IT, AND I SERIOUSLY SUSPECT THESE PEOPLE ARE SUFFERING WITH THE SAME BRAIN WORMS THAT ROBERT F. KENNEDY JR. HAS. IT'S GOT TO STOP.

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THIS DOING IT PIECEMEAL YEAR BY YEAR BY YEAR IS A WASTE OF TIME AND GIVES DEVELOPERS HOPE EVENTUALLY EVERYBODY GOES AWAY AND THEY'LL FINALLY COME IN.

IT'S HOW THE CHINESE THINK. YOU KNOW, THEY THINK IN TERMS OF CENTURIES, WE THINK IN TERMS OF WEEKS. AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO START ADJUSTING OUR ATTITUDES AND OUR THINKING PROCESSES.

THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. THAT'S THE ONLY CARDS I HAVE.

IS THERE ANYONE FROM THE AUDIENCE WISHING TO SPEAK? YES, SIR.

>> SORRY ABOUT THAT. I SAT ON THE WRONG SIDE OF THE ROOM. I JUST WANTED TO HAVE AN EARLY TALK ON THE MORATORIUM THAT IS GOING TO BE COMING UP.

IT'S VERY SUPPORTED. I SUPPORT IT.

I THINK IT'S NECESSARY. I THINK IT SHOULD ACTUALLY BE MODIFIED TO BECOME MORE STRICT. THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS GOING ON THAT YOU ALREADY HEAR ABOUT IN TERMS OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE NOT BEING SUFFICIENT TO BE ABLE TO HANDLE NEW GROWTH. THE CURRENT SITUATION SPEAKING A LOT OF ROADS AROUND HERE THAT ARE IN DIRE NEED OF REPAIR.

AND SO THESE ROADS ARE GOING TO BE COLLAPSING WHILE YOU'RE BUILDING -- WHILE THE DEVELOPER'S BUILDING NEW ROADS TO HANDLE THEIR AREAS. THE OTHER THING IS THESE COMMUNITIES BUILD ROADS THAT ARE VERY NARROW, AND YOU HAVE MULTIFAMILIES LIVING IN THESE HOMES. IT'S A NEW CULTURE THAT WE HAVE. AND THE CODE, I DON'T BELIEVE, HAS WORKED -- HAS COME UP TO THOSE STANDARDS.

SO THE MORATORIUM, IT HELPED. IT'S A SAFETY ISSUE, IT'S A COST ISSUE, AND IT'S A QUALITY OF LIFE ISSUE.

SO I THINK IT'S A MINIMAL STEP, BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO KEEP IN PLACE AND LOOK ABOUT MAKING IT STRONGER. IN TERMS OF HEARING ABOUT THE IMPACT FEES, I THINK THEY NEED TO BE LOOKED AT AND RECALCULATED, SEE WHAT IS THE TRUE IMPACT OF THESE DEVELOPMENTS OF THESE HOUSES.

YOU CAN MAKE A SPECIAL EXCEPTION FOR THE FAMILY THAT WANTS TO BUILD ONE HOUSE, A NEW FAMILY HOUSE. THEY DON'T HAVE TO PAY AS HUGE IMPACT FEE ESPECIALLY FOR THE LOCAL. BUT IF YOU'RE BUILDING 10, 50, 100 HOMES OR MORE, THAT'S A DIFFERENT LEVEL OF IMPACT.

SO I THINK THAT THAT SHOULD BE LOOKED AT AND SEE WHAT THE TRUE NUMBER IS BECAUSE WE ALL KNOW THAT THE NUMBER WE HAVE IS REALLY JUST SORT OF WHAT WE'VE BEEN USING, AND I THINK THAT WE CAN IMPROVE UPON THAT.

THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL THE CARDS I HAVE FOR THIS GENERAL -- YES, SIR.

YOU HAVE ONE?

>> CHAIRMAN, THE PREVIOUS PUBLIC COMMENT WE DIDN'T GET HIS NAME FOR THE RECORD.

ERNIE CLEMENTE.

>> 4299 HAWK HAVEN ROAD. TODAY DWRPT TO TALK ABOUT THE NORTH CREEK DEVELOPMENT ALONG THE NORTH PRONG OF THE THE CREEK, THE PROPOSED RV PARK THAT'S LOOKING AT GOING IN.

I THINK THERE ARE SIGNIFICANT IMPACTS THAT MIGHT NOT BE THOUGHT OF AT THIS MOMENT AS FAR AS SECOND, THIRD ORDER OF EFFECTS PUTTING AN RV PARK SO CLOSE TO THE NATURE PRESERVE AND THAT PORTION OF THE BLACK CREEK. THIS IS GOING TO SEVERELY IMPACT THE PEOPLE THAT CURRENTLY LIVE THERE AND OWN PROPERTY ON THE BLACK CREEK. RV PARKS TEND TO BRING IN, UNFORTUNATELY, A CRIMINAL ELEMENT AND POTENTIALLY PEDOPHILES WHO CAN LIVE UNDER THE RADAR UNDER THE GUISE OF COMING IN, GOING TO BE THERE TEMPORARILY AND TEND TO STAY A LITTLE BIT LONGER THAN A WEEK OR TWO.

THEY DON'T HAVE TO REGISTER. THEY CAN COME IN ALIAS

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I THINK YOU GUYS SHOULD LOOK AT THE SECOND AND THIRD ORDER OF EFFECTS OF ALLOWING AN RV PARK IN AND AMONGST A EXISTING COMMUNITY IN LAZY ACRES AREA.

I HOPE YOU'VE CONTEMPLATED IT. THANK

YOU. >> THANK YOU.

ONCE AGAIN I HAVE NO FURTHER -- YES,

MA'AM? >> I TURNED MY CARD IN

LATE. >> WHAT'S YOUR

NAME? >> SHARON K. MANLY, THE

MORATORIUM. >> STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE.

>> I'M CAY MANLY, I'M A LAKE LAKE ASBURY RESIDENT. THE MORATORIUM NEEDS TO BE PASSED. WE NEED THAT MORATORIUM TO DENY INCREASED -- FOR ANOTHER YEAR. THEY MAY BE HOLDING SOME THINGS BACK. WE NEED THAT MORATORIUM IN PLACE AGAIN.

I UNDERSTAND IT'S GOING TO BE ANOTHER TWO YEARS BEFORE THE INFRASTRUCTURE CHANGES THAT THEY'RE WORKING ON NOW ARE GOING TO BE COMPLETED.

SO IN MY HUMBLE OPINION, I THINK THAT THE VOTING FOR THE MORATORIUM SHOULD BE A YES AT A MINIMUM.

I THINK IT'S SAFE TO SAY THAT THE MAJORITY OF CLAY COUNTY RESIDENTS AGREE WITH ME. THEY'RE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THIS CONSTANT DEVELOPMENT TAKING PLACE. AND ALL OF THE ROAD CONSTRUCTION THAT'S HAPPENING RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF ALL THAT. MANY THEY'RE ERRONEOUSLY BLAMING THE PRESENT BOARD, AND IT'S JUST A LOT OF FINGERPOINTING.

THERE'S A LOT GOING ON RIGHT NOW, AND MISTAKES WERE MADE YEARS AGO THAT PUT ALL OF THIS IN PLACE. WE RECOGNIZE THAT.

BUT IT'S TIME FOR ANOTHER ITEM THAT I'D LIKE TO HAVE Y'ALL LOOK AT.

THE LAKE LAKE ASBURY MASTER PLAN KEEPS GETTING WAIVED ANDAND WE'RE DOING THIS BECAUSE THE MASTER PLAN SAYS WE CAN. THAT MASTER PLAN WAS ORIGINALLY DEVELOPED YEARS AGO, AND THE PEOPLE THAT WERE ON THAT DEVELOPMENT TEAM HAD DIFFERENT THE INTENT THAN THE FINAL DOCUMENT WAS WRITTEN.

SO I'M SAYING THAT THE THE INTENT OF THE MASTER PLAN IS ENTIRELY DIFFERENT THAN THE DOCUMENT YOU SEE HERE. I WAS AT THOSE PUBLIC MEETINGS.

I SAID THAT THE PEOPLE SAID THEY WANTED GREEN SPACES.

THEY DIDN'T WANT ALL % THIS DEVELOPMENT TAKING PLACE, THAT THEY WANTED OUR NEIGHBORHOOD TO MAINTAIN THE CHARACTER. THAT WAS A VERY IMPORTANT POINT THEY SAID. THEY WANTED THE ORIGINAL CHARACTER OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD MAINTAINED, AND IT'S NOT BEEN.

HAVE YOU BEEN DOWN SANDRIDGE LATELY, 209 LATELY? IT'S NOTHING. DESPITE THE FACT CITIZENS ARE OPPOSED TO THIS DEVELOPMENT, DEVELOPERS ALWAYS SEEM TO HAVE THE ADVANTAGE.

THE DEVELOPERS AND PLANNERS, THEY HAVE KNOWLEDGE OF HOW THE SYSTEM WORKS. THEY KNOW HOW TO MAKE THEIR VOICES HEARD LOUD AND CLEAR. THEY PULL PLANS WHEN THEY SEE THEY AREN'T GOING TO GET THEM APPROVED, AND THAIN THEY TWEAK IT A LITTLE BIT AND GET IT BACK IN AND THEY GET IT IN PLACE.

PRIVATE OWNERS DON'T KNOW HOW TO DO THAT.

PRIVATE PEOPLE DON'T KNOW HOW TO TWEAK THE PLANS AND GET THEIR VOICES HEARD, SO WE ARE GETTING RAMRODDED BY THE DEVELOPERS, AND WE NEED YOU TO HELP US.

>> OKAY, THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU.

>> I HAVE NO FURTHER CARDS FOR THIS GENERAL COMMENT SECTION, SO SEEING NONE, CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD. AND THERE WILL BE

[CONSENT AGENDA]

ACCEPT. >> SO

MOVED. >>

SECOND. >> I HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA. ANY COMMENTS, QUESTIONS,

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[15.  FY25 Non-Profit Funding Program Grant Recommendations (M. Covey/T. Nagle)]

WE'RE ONTO NEW BUSINESS. NON- PROFIT FUNDING ITEM NUMBER 15.

>> GOOD EVENING. WITH THE GRANTS DIVISION. FOR EVERYONE'S REFERENCE THE PRESENTATION TONIGHT WAS INCLUDED AS THE BACKUP AGENDA ONLINE. THAT CAN BE THE REFERENCE GUIDE.

THAT'S WHAT I'M SPEAK FROM TONIGHT.

A LIMIT BIT OF BACKGROUND ABOUT THE PROGRAM FOR FISCAL YEAR 2025 THERE WERE 224,200 ALLOCATED TO SUPPORT NONPROFITS THROUGH THIS GRANT APPLICATION PROCESS. THE COUNTY RECEIVED A TOTAL OF 23 GRANT APPLICATIONS TOTALING MORE THAN $2. 5 MILLION IN REQUESTS. APPLICATIONS WERE REVIEWED, SCORED, AND RANKED USING THE BCC SCORING MATRIX.

ALL APPLICANTS STATED THEY DO SERVE RESIDENTS IN CLAY COUNTY, AND ALL APPLICANTS PROVIDED PROOF OF THEIR NON- PROFIT STATUS. ALSO FOR BACKGROUND INFORMATION THERE ARE FOUR ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE CURRENTLY RECEIVING FUNDING THROUGH OTHER COUNTY AGREEMENTS.

THE FIRST IS QUIGLEY HOUSE, WHICH WAS ONE OF OUR PRIOR LEGACY ORGANIZATIONS. THE OTHER THREE DID SUBMIT GRANT APPLICATIONS THROUGH THIS PROCESS. OF THEM INCLUDING FIRE WATCH, WHICH WAS FUNDED THROUGH ARPA RECENTLY, SO THEY'VE WITHDRAWN THEIR APPLICATION UNDER THIS GRANT PROGRAM. AND MERCY SUPPORT SERVICES APPLIED BUT IS CURRENTLY FUNDED THROUGH ARPA. SO FOR DISCUSSION TONIGHT THERE ARE TWO OPTIONS. WE CAN USE THIS STARTING POINTS. OPTION A WAS A TIERED FUNDING APPROACH, WHICH WAS OUTLINED IN THE PROGRAM GUIDELINES, AND THIS PROPOSED THERE BE THREE FLAT TIERS, $15,000 TIER, $45,000 TIER, AND $75,000 TIER.

AND THOSE WOULD BE AWARDED TO THE TOP ORGANIZATIONS AS FAR AS FUNDING WOULD ALLOW.

UNDER THIS OPTION WE WERE ABLE TO FUND THE TOP SIX ORGANIZATIONS, SO THOSE WERE CATHOLIC CHARITIES, THE BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB, THE MEDICAL CLINIC, CLAY EDUCATION FOUNDATION, AND CHALLENGE ENTERPRISES OF NORTH FLORIDA.

OPTION B WAS A PARTIAL FUNDING APPROACH, SO THIS TRIED TO EXPAND THOSE FUNDED. THE TOP 13 ORGANIZATIONS SCORED A MINIMUM OF 60 POINTS ON THE SCORING MATRIX. SO FOR VISIBILITY, THE 13 ORGANIZATIONS WERE CATHOLIC CHARITIES, BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB, WAYFREE MEDICAL CLIN, CLAY EDUCATION FOUNDATION, EPISCOPAL CHILDREN SERVICES, CHALLENGE ENTERPRISES OF NORTH FLORIDA, CHURCH WOMENS CHRISTIAN MINISTRIES, HUNGER FIGHT, WASTE NOT, WANT NOT, SAINT CATHERINE, SAINT VINCENT DEPAUL CONFERENCE, AND THE EARLY LEARNING COALITION OF DUVAL. ALSO COMPLETED IN THE PRESENTATION BACKUP WAS THE RANK LIST OF ALL 23 APPLICATIONS RECEIVED, SO THAT CAN BE REFERENCE FOR DISCUSSION. AND THEN FINALLY JUST SOME FUTURE CONSIDERATIONS, FEEDBACK STAFF RECEIVED THROUGH THE PROCESS FOR FUTURE FUNDING CYCLES. THERE ARE RECOMMENDATIONS TO CONSIDER MOVING AWAY FROM FUNDING OPERATIONAL EXPENSES AND FOCUSING MORE ON ONE- TIME CAPACITY BUILDING PROJECTS.

SO NOT MAINTENANCE BUT THINGS THAT COULD INCREASE AN ORGANIZATION'S CAPACITY TO SERVE MORE PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY. ALSO RECOMMENDATION TO PRIORITIZE ORGANIZATIONS WITH VISIBLE HEADQUARTERS IN CLAY COUNTY, RECOMMENDATIONS TO PUT AN OPERATIONAL BUDGET CAP ON ELIGIBLE ORGANIZATIONS, AND SELECT A FOCUS AREA TO IDENTIFY WHERE THE GREATEST NEEDS ARE IN THE COMMUNITY. SO THESE ARE ALL JUST PIECES OF FEEDBACK AND FOOD FOR THOUGHT AS WE MOVE FORWARD, SINCE IT IS A RELATIVELY SMALL ALLOCATION TO SERVE A NUMBER OF ORGANIZATIONS AND THEIR NEEDS. SO TONIGHT WE'RE LOOKING PRIMARILY FOR DIRECTION FROM THE BOARD ON HOW TOTO ORGANIZATIONS FOR FY '25. WE HAVE A NUMBER OF NON-

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>> TAKE ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION BEFORE WE GET TO A DECISION POINT. OBSERVATIONS WITH -- LET ME STATE FOR THE RECORD THIS IS A PROCESS WE DIRECTED STAFF TO WAY BACK IN JUNE, JULY, COME UP WITH A PROCESS TO VET ALL OF THE NON- PROFITS THAT WE HAVE IN THE COUNTY.

AND WE APPROVED THE PROCESS, SO THESE ARE TWO OPTIONS THAT THE STAFF CAME UP WITH, WITH OUR PROCESS, WITH OUR RUBRIC THAT WE APPROVED. SO GIVEN THAT, I'LL RESERVE MY COMMENTS FOR THE END, SO I'LL ENTERTAIN ANY FROM THE REST OF THE

COMMISSION. >> MR. CHAIR, I GOT AA FOR MEGAN. THE $224,000, THE SOURCE OF THAT IS THAT THE

GENERAL FUND? >>

YES. >> AND HISTORICALLY IN A THREE- YEAR SNAPSHOT HOW HAS THAT AMOUNT CHANGED OVER THE YEARS?

>> IT'S BEEN ROUGHLY CONSISTENT TO MY KNOWLEDGE OF 100 TO 300,000.

WE'VE HAD PROGRAMS THAT HAVE HELPED FUND NONPROFITS IN THE PAST.

THIS HAS BEEN SPECIAL OPPORTUNITIES.

>> THE LAST TWO OR THREE YEARS THE ONLY DIFFERENCE WE HAVE IS IN THE BUDGET WE'VE BROKEN OUT. YOU'RE STATUTORILY OBLIGATED, SO THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS YOU HAVE TO FUND UNDER FLORIDA STATUTE.

IN THE PAST THOSE WERE ALL LUMPED TOGETHER, SO WE'VE SEPARATED THOSE OUT FROM THIS FUNDING TO MEGAN'S POINT FOR THE LAST TWO TO THREE YEARS, FOUR YEARS THAT NUMBER HAS BEEN PRETTY MUCH FLAT. THERE'S BEEN A BIT OF UPTICK BECAUSE OF THE STATUTORY REQUIRED ONES. FOR EXAMPLE, WE'VE HAD TO GO UP A BIT ON THE COMMODITIES FEEDING PART, THINGS LIKE THAT.

THE OTHER THING IS WE USE CARES AND ARPA OVER THE LAST FIVE YEARS TO FUND NONPROFITS USING A LOT OF THAT FUNDING

STREAM. >> IF YOU HAVE COMMENTS.

I DON'T HAVE QUESTIONS, IF YOU WANT ME TO GO AHEAD.

TROY AND MEGAN KNOW I'VE BEEN WRESTLING -- I'LL JUST BE HONEST WITH YOU, I'VE BEEN WRESTLING WITH THIS FOR MORE THAN A FEW WEEKS, SPENT QUITE A BIT OF TIME AND I KNOW WE APPROVED THIS 6, 8 MONTHS AGO. AND OVER TWO WEEKS WE HAD AN ELECTION IN OUR COUNTRY, AND IT'S NOT POLITICAL.

IT'S JUST THAT THE COUNTRY SENT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT A MANDATE, RIGHT? PEOPLE ARE STRUGGLING TO PAY THEIR BILLS AND PEOPLE ARE STRUGGLING TO LIVE AND THE ECONOMY, AND I GET THAT.

I HAVE CHILDREN WHO ARE IN THAT SAME BOAT AND FRIENDS AND FAMILY AND THOSE THAT WE REPRESENT.

AND I LOOK AT THIS LIST, AND THERE'S NOT ONE ORGANIZATION ON HERE THAT DOESN'T DO GREAT WORK IN OUR COMMUNITY, AND I'M GRATEFUL FOR ALL OF THEM. BUT THEN I THINK ABOUT ANOTHER MANDATE THAT OUR COUNTRY SENT OUR FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, AND THAT IS WHAT IS THE ROLE OF GOVERNMENT? AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK ABOUT OUR PRIMARY REQUIREMENT IS PUBLIC SAFETY.

AND TODAY, JUST TODAY I HAD HAD TO HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH A CONSTITUENT WHO LIVES ON A DIRT ROAD THAT CONSTANTLY PEOPLE ARE GETTING STUCK IN FRONT OF HER DRIVEWAY SO SHE CAN'T GET OUT. IT'S A COUNTY OWNED ROAD, BUT THE COUNTY IN THE '70S NEVER ACCEPTED MAINTENANCE OF THIS ROAD. SO ESSENTIALLY NO ONE OWNS IT ROAD OR NO ONE MAINTAINS THE ROAD.

THE RESIDENTS WHO LIVE THERE ARE.

WE ALL HAVE CONSTITUENTS WHO HAVE ROAD NEEDS.

WE HEAR ABOUT INFRASTRUCTURE. I HEARD TODAY THAT THE HISTORIC COURTHOUSE NEEDS A NEW ROOF TO THE TUNE OF ABOUT $230,000. WELL, THIS IS $224,000.

AND WE DON'T HAVE A NEW ROOF FOR THE HISTORIC COURTHOUSE IN OUR AND THEN THERE ARE OTHER THINGS. SO FOR INSTANCE I THINK THIS IS MY GUESS, BUT I'M THINKING ABOUT 60% OF THE COUNTY GETS THEIR DRINKING WATER FROM A WELL.

YET, DO YOU KNOW THERE IS NO WAY NO ORGANIZATION PUBLIC, PRIVATE, NON-PROFIT, FOR PROFIT, NO ONE IN THE COUNTY DOES WELL REPAIRS OR WELL REPLACEMENT FOR FAMILIES IN OUR AREAS THAT CAN'T AFFORD THESE THINGS. AND YET THAT'S AN ESSENTIAL

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SO WHEN A WELL GOES OUT, YOU'LL SEE ON FACEBOOK PEOPLE DOING, YOU KNOW, A GOFUNDME, OR THEY'RE ASKING FOR PEOPLE TO DONATE OR TRYING TO GET -- ASKING A WELL DRILLER CAN THEY DO IT FOR COST, AND WE'VE SEEN THOSE. IN FACT, ONE OF MY CONSTITUENTS HAD A WELL REPLACED BECAUSE OF AN EFFORT ACTUALLY DONE ON I THINK THE GREEN COVE FACEBOOK PAGE. SO I JUST LOOK AT THERE'S SO MANY NEEDS, AND I JUST DON'T KNOW THE RIGHT DIRECTION TO GO. IT JUST DOESN'T -- IT JUST DOESN'T FEEL RIGHT TO ME TO MOVE ON THIS.

AND I DON'T KNOW THE RIGHT DIRECTION TO GO, BUT I CAN JUST TELL YOU I'VE BEEN VERY CONVICTED THAT ABOUT VOTING FOR EITHER ONE OF THESE OPTIONS, I'M JUST NOT AT THE POINT WHERE I FEEL LIKE I CAN SUPPORT IT. AND I KNOW THAT'S NOT WHAT I VOTED FOR SIX MONTHS AGO.

WE AGREED TO A DIFFERENT PROCESS THAN WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST, AND THE OTHER THING THAT I'LL SAY IS I KIND OF LOOKED AT THIS AND SAID, OKAY, IF WE'RE GOING TO DO NONPROFITS, IT'S CLEAR TO ME THAT THE LARGER, MORE ESTABLISHED ORGANIZATIONS ARE REALLY GOOD AT WRITING A GRANT APPLICATION, SO THEY WROTE OUR APPLICATION WELL, TOO, AND THEY SCORED HIGHER THAN SOME OF THE ONES THAT DIDN'T. AND SO MAYBE, I THINK MAYBE IT WAS YOU, COMMISSIONER, RENNINGER, WHEN WE DISCUSSED THIS WE TALKED ABOUT SHOULD WE GIVE MEGAN AN EXTRA STAFF MEMBER THAT'S ONLY FOCUSED ON HELPING OUR NONPROFITS WRITE GRANT APPLICATIONS AND THEN ADMINISTER THOSE GRANT APPLICATIONS SO THEY CAN GET MORE. BUT WE HEARD TONIGHT ABOUT A GRANT THAT -- FROM THE COUNTY THAT'S BEEN FUNDED FOR MORE THAN 25 YEARS.

THAT'S BECOME DEPENDENT. AND SO, YOU KNOW, AND I GET IT, THAT'S A WORTHY CAUSE, BUT IS THAT THE ROLE OF THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT? AND THEN THE FINAL THING THAT I'LL SAY IS, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THESE ON HERE, WOULD OUR CONSTITUENTS SUPPORT THOSE? BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ESSENTIALLY DOING.

WE'RE ESSENTIALLY TAKING TAX DOLLARS AND GIVING THEM TO ORGANIZATIONS THAT THEY MAY OR MAY NOT CHOOSE TO SUPPORT FOR WHATEVER REASON. WE ALL HAVE OUR PERSONAL VIEWPOINTS ON THAT.

AGAIN, THEY'RE ALL WORTHY. IT'S JUST REALLY A STRUGGLE FOR

ME. >> ANY OTHER COMMENTS? MR. CHAIR, IF I MAY. SO I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER CONDON TO A CERTAIN EXTENT REGARDING USING TAXPAYER FUNDS FOR NONFOR PROFITS. FOR ME BEING PRETTY GREEN UP HERE BUT FOLLOWING ALONG FOR THE LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS, IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE KEEP OUR MONEY ININ ON BOTH OF THESE, AND THERE'S ALSO REGIONAL SERVICES SO THAT'S A BIT CONCERNING FOR ME. THE OTHER SIDE OF THE COIN THAT I THINK IS A GOOD THING IS THAT SOME OF THESE NONFOR PROFITS DOES A REALLY GOOD JOB PROVIDING SERVICES TO THE COMMUNITY, WHICH SAVES US AS A COUNTY CREATING A DEPARTMENT TO PROVIDE SOME OF THOSE SERVICES. SO, ULTIMATELY, THOUGH, AS WE MOVE THIS DOWN THE ROAD WHICHEVER WAY IT GOES, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT THIS BECOMES A PROJECT- BASED APPROPRIATION WHERE THEY COME TO US AND SAY, HEY, THE COMMUNITY BELIEVES IN OUR MISSION. THEY'VE ALREADY GIVEN US ALL THIS MONEY. WE ONLY NEED THIS LITTLE BIT TO GET US TO THE FINISH LINE. I THINK THAT'S HOW THIS SHOULD PLAY OUT AS WE MOVE FORWARD AND MUCH LESS OF A, YOU KNOW, FUNDING MODEL THAT IT GOES INTO THEIR GENERAL FUND, THAT KIND OF THING.

>> I DO HAVE A QUESTION FROM A CONSTITUENT.

I DON'T KNOW, MEGAN, IF YOU CAN HELP WITH THIS.

SO A SEARCH HAS DIOCESE FROM FUNDING, SO SHOULD THAT BE COMING FROM TAX DOLLARS? THAT'S A VERY

GOOD QUESTION. >> PART OF THE REQUIREMENT, AND THIS IS THOUGHT OUT IN THE FUNDING AGREEMENTS, TOO, IS SERVICES HAVE TO BE AVAILABLE TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC. THERE CAN BE NO INSTRUCTIONS ON WHO YOU SERVE AS AN ENTITY, IF YOU DO HAVE A RELIGIOUS AFFILIATION AS AN ORGANIZATION.

>> AND I HEAR YOU, COMMISSIONER CONDON AND ALSO COMMISSIONER SGROMOLO IF THAT IS THE ANSWER. HAVE YOU BRAINSTORMED? I PERSONALLY WOULD NOT HAVE AN IDEA TO A SOLUTION TO THAT PROBLEM. I TOTALLY GET WHAT Y'ALL ARE SAYING. I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE HAD SAID WE WERE GOING TO DO WHAT YOU HAD SAID MORE SO IN THE FUTURE. BUT, AGAIN, WE HAVE TO

FIGURE OUT SOMETHING. >>

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COMMENTS? >> CHAIRMAN, I -- THE -- I HEAR THE CONCERNS OF OUR COLLEAGUES. I THINK THE ONE THING THAT GIVES ME THE MOST HEARTBURN ABOUT BOTH OPTION A AND B IS IN LIGHT OF THE COMMENT THAT CAME UP EARLIER FROM OUR RESIDENT IS THAT BOTH OF THESE OPTIONS STRIP SO MANY ORGANIZATIONS OF FUNDING THIS FIRST TIME THAT WE ARE IMPLEMENTING A NEW PROCESS, AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT MAKES ME THE MOST CONCERNED.

WE ROLL THIS OUT OR START TALKING ABOUT IT IN JUNE OR JULY, AND THEN HERE WE ARE IN NOVEMBER. WE'RE PRESENTED WITH TWO OPTIONS THAT EFFECTIVELY CUT OUT A NUMBER OF ORGANIZATIONS THAT HAVE BUILT THIS INTO THEIR FUNDING INFRASTRUCTURE.

AND SO FOR ME I DON'T KNOW THAT I'M COMFORTABLE WITH EITHER ONE, AND MEGAN AND I DID BRIEFLY TALK ABOUT EXPLORING OPTIONS SO THAT ALL OF THE ORGANIZATIONS AT LEAST GET SOMETHING THIS FIRST YEAR WITH -- I MEAN 2.

4 MILLION IN REQUESTS, THAT'S NOT LOST ON ME. BUT I'M VERY UNCOMFORTABLE WITH YANKING THE RUG FROM UNDERNEATH SOME OF THESE ORGANIZATIONS WHO WOULDN'T GET A DIME THIS YEAR. AND THAT'S JUST -- AND THEN, OF COURSE, YOU IF THERE'S A WAY TO EXPLORE THAT OPION, I KNOW THAT YOU MENTIONED SOME OF THE ORGANIZATIONS WEREN'T ABLE TO REALLY DEMONSTRATE TO US HOW THEIR FUNDING WOULD ACTUALLY BE ABLE TO TRACK AND SHOW A BENEFIT TO COUNTY RESIDENTS.

I GET THAT. BUT I AM UNCOMFORTABLE WITH AN OUTRIGHT NO THE FIRST YEAR WE'RE ROLLING OUT THIS NEW PROCESS. SO IF THERE IS A WAY TO MOVE FORWARD, SOME PATHWAY FORWARD SO THAT'S NOT OUR FIRST APPROACH TO THIS, I WOULD BE MORE APT TO SUPPORT THE CHANGE.

>> ANY OTHER COMMENTS? I HAVE A FEW COMMENTS. JUST SOME OBSERVATIONS.

THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT ROLLED OUT THEIR STRATEGIC PLAN, AND NUMBER ONE GOAL WAS OBESITY AND WEIGHT REDUCTION FOR HEALTH REASONS. AND I SEE ALL THESE FOOD DISTRIBUTION, YOU KNOW, 501C3S. MY OBSERVATION IS THERE'S VERY LITTLE ACCOUNTABILITY FOR DISTRIBUTING FOOD TO -- OR GETTING FOOD DISTRIBUTED AT POINT A, B, C, D, E, F, G.

THE ONLY FOOD DISTRIBUTION ENTITY THAT'S ON THIS LIST THAT'S WASTE NOT WANT NOT THAT I KIND OF ENDORSE SIMPLY BECAUSE BECAUSE SAVE FOOD FROM BEING DESTROYED. SO IF NOT THEM, THEN IT'S A DUMP. IT BASICALLY GOES TO THE GARBAGE CHUTE. DUPLICATION OF EFFORT.

WE HAVE -- WE SPENT A LOT OF MONEY ON OUR SENIOR CENTER, AND YET THERE'S AN ENTITY ON THIS LIST THAT HAS SERVING SENIORS WITHIN 300 YARDS OF OUR SENIOR CENTER.

AND I QUESTION WHY WE ARE WE DUPLICATING EFFORTS IN THAT REGARD? AND I KNOW THEY'RE DOING GOOD WORK, BUT WHY WE BACK TO GOVERNMENT PROVIDING THIS SERVICE? I MEAN IT -- I QUESTION THAT. STATUE DRIVEN. OKAY, STATUE DRIVEN, WE HAVE TO PROVIDE MENTAL HEALTH.

WE HAVE TO PROVIDE A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS, BUT THESE AREN'T STATUTE DRIVEN, SO THIS IS KIND OF -- WE'RE MAKING A -- TO ME AS A TAXPAYER YOU'RE MAKING A STATEMENT THAT THE GOVERNMENT HAS TOO MUCH MONEY AND THEY'RE GIVING IT AWAY.

AND YET AS WE ALL KNOW, WE HAVE ROADS, WE CAN'T FIND ENOUGH RESOURCES TO FUND THE THINGS WE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE FUNDING. AND YET SO I HAVE PROBLEMS WITH BOTH THESE LISTS, BUT I ALSO REALIZE WE APPROVED THIS PROCESS, AND SO I'M READY TO VOTE ON ONE OF THESE BUT WITH ONE OTHER RECOMMENDATION. YOU LIST FOUR DIFFERENT FUTURE CONSIDERATIONS. I'M GOING TO ADD A FIFTH.

AND THAT'S A SUNSET CLAUSE WHERE WE WHITTLE DOWN THE AWARD ÚOVER THE NEXT THREE YEARS TO ZERO. BECAUSE THIS IS WHAT WE DID IN ORANGE PARK. YOU CAN'T SERVE ALL THE NONPROFITS. WE CAN'T DO THAT, AND IT'S NOT RIGHT TO DO IT. SO WE DECIDED UP THERE WE WEREN'T GOING TO SERVE ANY UNLESS WE'RE STATUTE DRIVEN. WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH RESOURCES TO DO IT. I FEEL BAD ABOUT ON ONE HAND WE SEE MORE TAX MONEY, AND THE SECOND, ON THE OTHER SIDE OF OUR MOUTH WE'RE SAYING WE'RE GOING TO GIVE SOME AWAY.

THEY'RE ALL GOOD ORGANIZATIONS, DON'T GET ME WRONG, ANDPORT THEM THERE, BUT I SUPPORT THEM IN PERSON. AND I THINK YOU SHOULD SUPPORT

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TO SUNSET THIS TO A POINT WHERE IT WON'T BE AN ISSUE.

SO WITH THAT, WE HAVE A DECISION TO MAKE. LOOKING FOR A MOTION.

THE PROPOSAL WAS -- LIKE I SAID THIS WAS DECIDED BY THIS COMMISSION IN JUNE, JULY. THE STAFF CAME UP WITH A PROCESS, WE APPROVED A PROCESS, AND HERE IT IS. THEY'VE GIVEN US TWO OPTIONS. WE CAN PROVE A, B, OR NONE, I

GUESS. >> MR. CHAIR, TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION COMMISSIONER COMPERE'S COMMENTS ABOUT NOT TOTALLY PULLING OUT THE RUG FROM OTHER FOLKS, I AGREE WITH THAT. I ALSO THINK I REALLY ENJOY YOUR SUNSET CLAUSE IDEA. I THINK THAT'S SMART. THAT GETS US TO WHERE EVENTUALLY COMMISSIONER CONDON WANTS TO BE. AFTER LOOKING AT BOTH A AND B, B IS A LOT MORE PALATABLE TO ME AT THIS TIME, AND I THINK IT'S NOT PULLING AS COMMISSIONER COMPERE SAID, NOT PULLING THE RUG OUT AS NEAR AS MUCH AS OPTION A WOULD BE.

SO AT THIS TIME I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE OPTION B OF THE NON- PROFIT FUNDING.

>> WE HAVE A MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF OPTION B, PARTIAL FUNDING

APPROACH. >> I APPRECIATE COMMISSIONER SGROMOLO MAKING THAT MOTION, AND I WILL 2ND THAT.

>> WE HAVE THE MOTION TO APPROVE OPTION B OF THE NONPROFITS WITH THE 223,000 OR WHATEVER IT WAS -- 224,000. AS PARTIAL FUNDING I THINK IT'S 40% FUNDING OF THEIR REQUEST.

ANY COMMENTS, QUESTIONS, OR CONCERNS ONON MOTION ON THE

SECOND? >> I'LL ADD TO, MR. CHAIR, MEGAN, IF YOU CAN PLEASE ADD TO THAT THE COMMISSIONER'S FIFTH SUNSET IDEA. AS WE MOVE TOWARDS THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR, I THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME GOOD CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THIS.

>> MOTION IN SECOND. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, AND CONCERNS. ALL AYES, SAY AYE, ANY NAYS? IT FAILS 3- 2, OR 2- 3, HOWEVER YOU WANT TO SAY

IT. >> WE VOTED B, SO Y'ALL HAVE TO SAY IT OVER THERE.

>> I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO FUND -- OR RECOMMEND APPROVAL FOR OPTION A. DO I HAVE A SECOND?

>> CHAIR, CAN I ASK --

>> THE MOTION FAILS FOR LACK OF A SECOND, I

GUESS. >> MR. CHAIR, IF I MAY.

MY QUESTION IS FOR MEGAN. IN LIGHT OF THE CONCERN THAT I'VE VOICED, IS THERE A PATH

FORWARD? >> A PATH TO FUND ALL THE NONPROFITS AT SOME LEVEL?

>> YES. >> YES, WE COULD DO THAT.

BECAUSE IT IS A SMALL POT OF MONEY AND THERE ARE 23 APPLICANTS, THAT WOULD PROBABLY REDUCE THE FUNDING TO MORE LIKE A 10 TO 20% PARTIAL FUNDING.

THERE WAS ONE PROJECT THAT WAS A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT REQUEST.

IT WAS A CAPITAL PROJECT THAT WAS $1. 7 MILLION.

SO PROBABLY WOULDWOULD FUNDING THEM AT A REDUCED LEVEL RATHER THAN DIRECTLY APPLYING

PERCENTAGE. >> I CAN'T -- IN LIGHT OF THIS CONVERSATION IT'S VERY PLAIN

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I DON'T -- I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE FAIREST OPTION, SO I'M COMFORTABLE WITH DRASTICALLY REDUCING ONE PROJECT'S FUNDING SO THAT ALL OF THEM WILL SEE SOMETHING, BEARING IN MIND THAT THE NATURE OF THIS DISCUSSION HAS BEEN PRETTY CLEAR.

YOU HAVE A SUNSET CLAUSE THAT'S BEEN PROPOSED, AN ENTIRE YEAR NOW TO MAKE A PLAN TO NOT WORK BUDGET -- THE GOVERNMENT'S FUNDING INTO YOUR BUDGET. AND I THINK THAT NOTICE IS MORE -- I THINK IT'S FAIRER THAN A FOUR- MONTH NOTICE OR EVEN A SIX- MONTH NOTICE. AND IF WE CAN -- IF WE CAN FIND THAT SOLUTION, I WOULD PREFER SOMETHING THAT LOOKS MORE LIKE --

>> OKAY. I WOULD SAY ONE OTHER PIECE OF BACKGROUND. THERE ARE A COUPLE OF CAPITAL PROJECTS ON THE LIST, SO THERE COULD BE A POSSIBILITY THOSE PROJECTS WOULDN'T BE COMPLETED BY SEPTEMBER 30TH. SO THAT'S JUST FOR AWARENESS.

WE CAN, I THINK, WRITE THE AGREEMENT THAT THE BCC FUNDS WILL BE USED THIS FISCAL YEAR.

AND THEN WORK WITH THE ORGANIZATIONS ON, YOU KNOW, WHAT THEY CAN PROVIDE FOR FINAL REPORTING AND FINAL

PRODUCT. >> SO WOULD YOU BRING BACK ANOTHER PROPOSAL SINCE BOTH OF THESE OPTIONS DON'T SEEM -- OR WAS COMMISSIONER COMPERE MAKING -- I DON'T THINK SHE WAS MAKING A MOTION AS FAR AS --

>> RIGHT. WE DON'T HAVE THE NUMBERS IN FRONT OF US. WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO BASE THE DECISION ON, SO MY REQUEST FORMALLY IS TO BRING SOMETHING BACK IF IT'S THE WILL OF THE CHAIR, SO THAT WE CAN KNOW HOW THE FUNDING IS GETTING BROKEN DOWN AMONG THE

ORGANIZATIONS. >> IF IT WOULD INTEREST THE BOARD TO TABLING THIS TO LATER ON THIS EVENING, I THINK MEGAN AND I COULD GO BACK AND RUN A QUICK CALCULATION, FIGURE OUT WHAT THAT PERCENTAGE WOULD LOOK LIKE AND BRING YOU BACK A REVISED DOCUMENT TONIGHT UNLESS YOU WANT TO TABLE IT TO A FUTURE

MEETING. >> TO ALL 23 ORGANIZATIONS?

>> I MEAN, IT'S A MATHEMATICAL FORMULA.

RIGHT NOW WE'RE FITTING AT 40, IF WE CAN GO BACK AND FIGURE OUT THE PERCENTAGE.

>> I'M NOT SURE I'M UNDERSTANDING. IT WASN'T A MOTION.

>> IF I UNDERSTAND THE DIRECTION RIGHT, INSTEAD OF FUNDING 13 OF THEM AT 40%, YOU WANT TO FIND A PERCENTAGE WE CAN FUND ALL OF THEM

SOMEWHAT. >> ALL

23. >> RATHER THAN BRINGING IT BACK ON DECEMBER 10TH AND WORK ON AGREEMENTS AFTER THAT, IF IT PLEASES THE BOARD, I THINK MEGAN AND I CAN DO THAT BEFORE THE NIGHT'S OVER AND IF YOU TABLE THAT TONIGHT IF THAT'S YOUR

DESIRE. >> BECAUSE YOU'RE TWEAKING A PERCENTAGE, SO IT'S NOT -- SO YOU WOULD BE COMING BACK WITH HARD NUMBERS FOR US TO LOOK AT.

THAT'S AN EXCEL SPREADSHEET?

>> YES. IT'S NOT GOING TO TAKE THAT LONG IF THAT'S YOUR DESIRE.

IF THAT'S THE BOARD'S DESIRE.

>> THAT'S NOT MY DESIRE.

WE'VE HAVE SOME APPLICANTS - NEVER FUNDED BEFORE ON THAT 23 -- THAT LIST OF 23, SO IT'S NOT A QUESTION OF PULLING THE RUG OUT FROM UNDER THEM. I MEAN, WE'VE NEVER FUNDED THEM.

>> QUESTION SOME OF THE CLAY COUNTY IMPACT ON SOME OF THE APPLICANTS AS WELL.

>> TO THE CHAIR.

>> SURE.

>> WHENEVER YOU DENIED OR -- I WAS TRYING TO ASK YOU A QUESTION. CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT WAS YOUR REASON FOR ONLY WANTING "A"? ARE YOU ABLE TO SAY

THAT? >> ONLY WANTING "A"? BECAUSE FIRST OF ALL WE'VE AGREED TO THIS PROCESS. WE'VE PROMULGATED THE PROCESS.

THE APPLICANTS HAVE COMPLIED WITH THE PROCESS.

AND TO SWITCH HORSES NOW, TO ME THAT DOESN'T SEEM FAIR. TO GO TO A PROJECT- BASED AWARD, I THINK WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH A WHOLE NEW PLICATION PROCESS.

>> "A" INSTEAD OF "B," THOUGH --

>> BECAUSE THERE'S SOME ITEMS ON B LIST WE'VE NEVER FUNDED IN THE PAST. TWO, THEY'RE JACKSONVILLE- BASED, SO I DON'T -- HUNGER FIGHT I'VE NEVER HEARD OF THEM. IT'S A NATIONAL ORGANIZATION WITH AN OFFICE IN JACKSONVILLE. NEVER HEARD OF THEM OPERATING

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>> OKAY, WITH THAT IN MIND NIH TO DO A MOTION THAT ALREADY HAS BEEN ON THE

FLOOR? >> YOU CAN ADJUST

THE MOTION. >> SOUNDS LIKE IF YOU MAKE YOUR MOTION, SHE'LL SECOND.

>> HE CAN'T.

>> I THINK YOU COULD ADJUST IT, SO YOUR ORIGINAL MOTION THAT FAILED WITH LACK OF SECOND WAS OPTION OF "A," AND IT DIDN'T HAVE YOUR SUNSET SUNSET INCLUDED AT LEAST IN MY NOTES. IF YOU WANTED TO REVISE YOUR MOTION, COME UP WITH A NEW

MOTION. >> I DID NOT SECOND THAT, I KNOW

THAT. >> NOBODY

SECONDED. >> SO MY MOTION IS TO DO "A" WITH THE SUNSET CLAUSE ATTACHED TO

IT. >> WHAT CLAUSE?

>> SUNSET. >> WITH A SUNSET PROVISION FOR FUTURE --

>> CORRECT.

>> I'LL SECOND THAT AS A MOTION, IF THAT'S YOUR MOTION.

SUNSET IS WITHIN THREE YEARS. AFTER THREE YEARS IT'S GONE.

SO THIS YEAR, NEXT YEAR. ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, CONCERNS. TAKE A VOTE.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE, ANY NAYS. FAILS 3- 2, 2-3.

>> COMMISSIONER CHAIR, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO ADD I THINK AS YOU ALLUDED TO, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR THIS BOARD TO MAKE GOOD ON THEIR PROMISES, THAT THE BOARD DECIDED TO CREATE THIS PLATFORM.

NONFOR PROFITS WENT THROUGH THE PROCESS. THEY'VE DONE EVERYTHING THE COUNTY HAS ASKED THEM TO DO.

I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF AGREEMENT AMONGST THE BOARD THAT MOVING FORWARD THIS IS PROBABLY NOT THE DIRECTION THAT THE COUNTY WANTS TO HEAD IN. WITH THAT BEING SAID, I TOTALLY AM NOT PALATABLE TO OPTION "A.

" AS COMMISSIONER COMPERE SAID, IT PULLS OUT THE RUG UNDER A WHOLE LOT OF ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE COUNTING ON SOME FUNDING. AND I ALSO THINK THAT FUNDING ALL 23 IS ALSO CHALLENGING.

I THINK SOME OF THESE ORGANIZATIONS HAVE EARMARKED THESE FUNDS FOR CLAY COUNTY SPECIFIC PRODUCTS. AND BY POTENTIALLY SPLITTING THOSE MONEYS 23 TIMES INSTEAD OF, I BELIEVE, 13, IT'S GOING TO REALLY BE A DETRIMENT TO WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT.

>> TO THE CHAIR, SOMETHING ELSE HERE.

SO HOW ABOUT IF WE DO OPTION "A," WHICH IS SIX NONPROFITS AND THEN WE ADD FOUR -- THE NEXT TOP FOUR, AND THEN DO A PERCENTAGE CALCULATION? SO THAT WOULD BE THE

TOP TEN. >> THERE'S SOME

DUPLICATION. >> CAN YOU REMIND ME WHICH ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE NEW TO CLAY, THAT ARE APPLYING FOR THE FIRST

TIME? >> I DON'T KNOW IF I HAVE A LIST OF NEVER BEEN FUNDED ORGANIZATIONS OFFHAND

BEFORE. >>

OKAY. >> THAT WOULD PROBABLY TAKE SOME RESEARCH.

>> BECAUSE I CAN APPRECIATE YOUR POINT IN THAT IF THEY'VE NEVER SEEN THE MONEY, THEN IT'S NOT REALLY BUILT INTO THEIR -- THEY CAN'T ASSUME THEY'RE GOING TO GET IT EITHER. SO I CAN CONCEDE THAT POINT, BUT I WONDER -- I CAN'T REMEMBER HOW MANY OF THE ORGANIZATIONS WOULD BE IN THE MIX THAT WOULD -- THAT WOULD -- THEIR MONEYS WOULD GO BACK INTO THE POOL AMONG THOSE THAT ARE USED TO RECEIVING FUNDING FOR

US. >> I WOULD ANSWER THAT IN ABOUT THREE DIFFERENT WAYS, AND I APOLOGIZE. BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT TO REMEMBER WE FUNDED STUFF UNDER NON- PROFIT FUNDING, CARES ACT FUNDING, AND

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AND I'M GOING TO GO FROM MEMORY. I KNOW IN THE PAST WE'VE FUNDED WAYFREE. WE FUNDED EPISCOPAL, WE FUNDED CHALLENGE, KIDS FIRST, WHICH I DON'T EVEN THINK IS ON HERE. WE FUNDED MERCY IN SOME WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM, BASCA, FIRE WATCH WE DD UNDERNEATH ARPA THIS YEAR. THAT'S PROBABLY -- I COULD BE OFF BY ONE OR TWO, MA'AM, BUT THAT'S KIND OF THE IDEA. THERE'S PROBABLY FIVE OR SIX YOU'VE FUNDED UNDER THE PROGRAM. IF YOU GIVE US SOME TIME, WE CAN PULL THE LIST FROM LAST YEAR, BUT THAT KIND OF GIVES YOU AN IDEA.

MOST OF THESE ORGANIZATIONS REALLY ARE UNDER THIS PROGRAM FIRST- TIME

FUNDING. >> I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION AND THIS IS --

>> YOU HAVE AN ANSWER TO YOUR

QUESTIO? >> THAT DOES, YEAH. THE COMPLICATION IS THAT WE HAVE DIFFERENT WAYS OF FUNDING ORGANIZATIONS, AND SO IT'S NOT A STRAIGHTFORWARD LIST BECAUSE WE'VE CHANGED THE PROCESS THIS

YEAR. >> WELL, AND I MEAN WHEN CARES ACT HAPPENED WE FUNDED 30 UNDER CARES, AND WE WENT TO ARPA FUNDING AND FUNDED 20 UNDER ARPA USING DIFFERENT CRITERIA. WE'VE ALWAYS FUNDED THAT STATUTORY GROUP AND THE OTHER LEGACY FUNDING OF THOSE SIX OR SEVEN WE'VE DONE EVERY YEAR FOR THE LAST AS ONE INDICATED THE LAST 20 YEARS. IT'S KIND OF BEEN THAT SAME GROUP, THAT'S WHY THE BOARD SAID, HEY, WE THINK WE NEED TO OPEN THE APERTURE. ACTUALLY TWO YEARS AGO THE BOARD NEEDED TO OPEN THE APERTURE.

BECAUSE OF THE NOTIFICATION, WE DIDN'T DO IT. IT'S A HARD QUESTION TO ANSWER THAT EXACT, BUT I KNOW DEBBIE WALKED OUT OF THE ROOM TO PULL THE LIST OF THE ONES WE'VE FUNDED UNDER THE LEGACY FUND IN THE PAST.

>> LET ME ALSO ADD, I DON'T REALLY SUBSCRIBE TO THE PULLING THE RUG OUT THING. IN YOUR BUDGET, IF IT'S NOT GUARANTEED, YOU'RE REALLY AT RISK TO PUT IT IN YOUR BUDGET. WE DON'T DO THAT WITH GRANTS -- THESE ARE MONEYS THAT ARE GUARANTEED. AND IF WE GET GRANTS, THEN WE MODIFY THE BUDGET.

SO I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY BUDGET ALL THESE NONPROFITS.

>> WELL, MY QUESTION IS -- AND YOU MAY NOT KNOW THE ANSWER BUT I THINK I DO KNOW THE ANSWER, BUT THERE'S THREE ORGANIZATIONS ON THE LIST THAT ARE CENTERED AROUND EDUCATION, NOT THAT I DON'T -- I VALUE EDGE KAZ HIGHLY.

BACK IN MY DAYS ON THE SCHOOL BOARD, I WAS ASSIGNED TO THE CLAY EDUCATION FOUNDATION, SO THIS IS NOT PERSONAL AGAINST THEM. BUT MY QUESTION IS DOES THE SCHOOL BOARD FUND ANY OF THESE

ORGANIZATIONS? >> THE GOOD QUESTION IS WHY SHOULD WE?

>> WELL, AND THAT'S MY POINT, SIR.

BECAUSE NOT THAT I THINK THAT THE CLAY EDUCATION FOUNDATION TOOLS FOR SCHOOLS IS NOT A WORTH WHILE ENDEAVOR. I KNOW THEY PROVIDE THE GRANTS FOR TEACHERS AND THE SUPPLIES FOR THE CLASSROOMS, BUT WE FREQUENTLY WILL HAVE PEOPLE SAY WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DEVELOPMENT, WHICH WE'RE GOING TO DO -- WHICH MOST OF YOU ARE HERE TO TALK ABOUT OR NOT TALK ABOUT DEVELOPMENT, PEOPLE SAY TO US WHY DON'T YOU ADDRESS THE SCHOOLS? WELL, THAT'S NOT UNDER THE PURVIEW OF THE COUNTY COMMISSION.

AND YET WE'RE GOING TO TAKE TAXPAYER DOLLARS AND FUND TO THE TUNE OF ON ONE OF THESE IT WAS $30,000 -- $15,000 TO THE CLAY EDUCATION FOUNDATION.

THAT'S WHERE MY HEARTBURN COMES IN. THAT, YOU KNOW -- JUST -- SO WE HAVE NEEDS THAT CAN'T BE MET.

LOOK, I GET IT. THERE'S A ROLE FOR NON- PROFIT IN LOCAL GOVERNMENT BECAUSE NONPROFITS CAN PAY FOR THINGS THAT WE CAN'T, THE COUNTY. WE CAN'T DO WORK ON PRIVATE PROPERTY. WE CAN'T USE PUBLIC FUNDS FOR PRIVATE GAIN. AND SO NONPROFITS CAN PROVIDE THOSE SERVICES. AND THAT'S WHERE PROGRAMS LIKE SHIP COME IN TO DO WELL REPAIRS AND WHY I BROUGHT UP THE REPAIRS EARLIER.

AGAIN, NONE OF THIS IS NOT WORTHY, BUT IT IS A PLACE FOR THOSE DOLLARS. THAT'S WHAT I'M COMING BACK TO. IT'S NOT THAT I DON'T THINK THERE'S VALUE IN IT. SCHOOL BOARD CAN TAX AUTHORITY.

THEY'RE NOT UNDER THE KMIGSZ AUTHORITY, AND THEY LEVY

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THERE WAS A TIME IN MY LIFE I WAS A SINGLE MOM, A WORKING SINGLE MOM AND I HAD TO PROVIDE AFTER SCHOOL CARE FOR MY KIDS, AND I DIDN'T NECESSARILY HAVE THE MONEY BECAUSE IT'S EXPENSIVE. BUT, AGAIN, IT'S AT THE ROLE OF THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT BECAUSE THE SCHOOL DISTRICT I DON'T THINK IS SUPPLEMENTING ANY OF

THAT. >> I SEE WE'RE NOT IN AGREEMENT. I WON'T SAY WE'RE IN DISAGREEMENT BUT JUST NOT IN AGREEMENT.

WOULD IT BE WISE TO TABLE THIS UNTIL NEXT MEETING AND SEND THE STAFF BACK AND TAKE A LOOK AT THIS? IS THERE A WAY FORWARD GIVEN ALL THESE COMMENTS?

>> MR. CHAIRMAN, I'LL SPEAK FOR TROY.

I DON'T SEE A WAY FORWARD. I'VE BEEN TRYING TO SIT HERE AND GET TO THAT POINT.

IF THE DIRECTION IS TO FUND THE LAST EIGHT THAT WE'VE BEEN FUNDING BEFORE, SURE, WE COULD BRING THAT BACK. YOU WON'T EVEN HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL THE 10TH. WE CAN DO THAT HERE IN A MINUTE. IS IT TO TAKE 23 AND DIVIDE $224,000 BY THE THREE, I DON'T THINK THAT WAS IT. THE TIER, OBVIOUSLY -- I DON'T SEE WHAT AVENUE TO GO. THE STAFF SPENT A LOT OF TIME AS YOU MENTIONED, CHAIR, TO GRADE THESE OUT, AND THE GRADES WERE THERE BY THAT.

SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT AN EXACT SOLUTION WOULD -- BUT THE ONLY THING IS THE LONGER WE WAIT, WE'RE CLOSING DOWN THAT PERFORMANCE PERIOD BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT THE REMEMBER AFTER YOU GUYS DO THIS FOR EVERY ONE THAT WE FUND, COURTNEY'S OFFICE HAS TO FUND THAT AGREEMENT AND AGREE ON THAT AGREEMENT. DEPENDING ON THE VALUE AND DEPENDING ON IT IF COMES BACK TO THE BOARD AND THE COUNTY MANAGER SIGNS IT, IF WE GET INTO DECEMBER AND JANUARY ALL OF THESE ARE REIMBURSABLE GRANTS. IT'S NOT THAT WE HAND THEM THE CASH. IT'S GO DO SOMETHING GOOD AND COME GET US OUR RECEIPTS.

THAT MEANS THEY HAVE TO CLOSEOUT BEFORE SEPTEMBER.

IT'S SOMETHING YOU HAVE TO BE COGNIZANT OF.

CAN IT BE DONE? MOST CERTAINLY.

BUT THE LONGER WE WAIT, THE SHOTTER THE PERIOD COMES FOR THESE ORGANIZATIONS TO GET US THE DOCUMENTATION AND CLOSEOUT THEIR BUDGET YEAR. THAT'S THE ONLY CAUTION I WOULD HAVE.

>> MR. CHAIRMAN, IF I MAY JUST ONE OTHER ITEM THINKING THIS THROUGH.

THESE WERE THE 13, SO IF THE BOARD WENT ONE BY ONE ON THOSE 13, AND NOW THAT DEBBIE'S BACK, WE COULD GET THE HISTORIC POINT AND GO THROUGH AND PICK THOSE FROM THIS FINAL LIST HERE. BUT THAT DOESN'T TAKE IN THE COMMISSIONER COMPERE'S FOR ALL OF THEM LISTED BEYOND THIS SHEET HERE NOT HIGHLIGHTED IN GREEN.

THAT'S THE PROBLEM I RUN INTO THERE. IF THAT WOULD BE A DIRECTION, THEY CAN GO BACK AND TAKE A LOOK AT THIS, OR WE COULD DO IT RIGHT NOW OR TABLE IT TO THE 10 TH, IF THAT'S THE DIRECTION.

>> CHAIR, WHICH ONE YOU SAY YOU'VE NEVER HEARD

OF? >> HUNGER FIGHT.

HAS ANYBODY HEARD OF HUNGER

FIGHT? >> SO WHY NOT -- AS I WAS GOING BACK TO OPTION B, AND WE'RE UNDER NO OBLIGATION EVEN THOUGH THEY DID WHAT WE ASKED THEM TO DO. WE -- WHAT IF WE DID THE TOP TEN, AND THEY -- IT'S THE SAME AS OPTION A EXCEPT ADDED FOUR MORE AND NOT INCLUDE HUNGER FIGHT AND EARLY LEARNING, AND I THINK WE EVEN HAVE EXTRA AFTER THAT.

SO WE --

>> IF YOU FOLD IN COMMISSIONER CONDON'S CONCERN THEN THE CLAY CLAY EDUCATION FOUNDATION COMES BACK, UNLESS THERE WAS A REASON WHY YOU PICKED THE EARLY LEARNING AND DECIDED TO KEEP CLAY EDUCATION FOUNDATION, COMMISSIONER BURKE.

>> JUST BECAUSE THEY RANKED

LOWER. >> COMMISSIONER BURKE, YOUR TOP TEN WOULD THAT BE BASED OFF TOTAL

SCORE? >> TOP TEN, OPTION B.

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AND CLAY EDUCATION FOUNDATION I KNOW TO BE LOCAL COMPARED TO DUVAL EARLY LEARNING COALITION.

>> WHAT ARE YOU PROPOSING?

>> I HAVE A QUESTION.

>> I'LL WAIT FOR MY MOTION UNTIL COMMISSIONER SGROMOLO ASKS HIS QUESTION.

>> TROY, HOW LONG HAS THE NON-PROFIT PROGRAM FUNDED THE CLAY EDUCATION FOUNDATION, SORE IS THIS THE FIRST

TIME? >> AGAIN, UNDER THIS PROGRAM, YES. I THINK WE'VE FUNDED THEM UNDER CARES OR ARPA, BUT UNDER THIS PROGRAM HISTORICALLY THE ONES YOU'VE FUNDED AREARE CHALLENGE ENTERPRISES, THE NONSTATUTORY PART OR THE NONPIECE WE DO. CLAY BEHAVIOR, WHICH IS STATUTORY, QUIGLEY HOUSE, BASCA, AND KIDS FIRST OF FLORIDA. ARE THE SIX ACTUALLY KELLY AND DEBBIE WERE TALKING ABOUT WHAT THE AGREEMENTS

ARE. >> COULD YOU READ THEM AGAIN? EPISCOPAL, CHALLENGE, BASCA, AND WHAT THE OTHER THREE?

>> SO IT'S CHALLENGE, BASCA, CLAY BEHAVIOR, AND QUIGLEY HOUSE. THOSE ARE YOUR DEPARTMENTS UNDER OTHER FUNDING, SO THOSE ARE THE FOUR ON THIS LIST.

CHALLENGES ON YOUR LIST EPISCOPAL IS ON YOUR LIST, BASCA IS ON YOUR LIST FOR OPTION "B," AND MY UNDERSTANDING KIDS FIRST DID

NOT SUBMIT AN APPLICATION. >> KIDS FIRST ISN'T EXISTING OR THEY CHANGED THEIR NAME, LIKE RECHARTERED, AND THEY DO FOSTER CARE.

WASTE NOT WANT NOT IS ONE WE'VE HAD

BEFORE? >> I THINK UNDER CARES.

NOT UNDER THIS PROCESS, NO. BUT UNDER CARES OR ARPA, YOU DID FUND WASTE NOT, WHAT NOT IF I'M

NOT MISTAKEN. >> OKAY, I'M PREPARED TO MAKE MOTION AGAIN. I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO FUND OPTION "B" AND DELETING HUNGER FIGHT, WASTE NOT WHAT NOT, AND EARLY COALITION OF DUVAL.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE TOTAL IS THEN, BUT I WOULD LIKE AT LEAST THE OTHER TEN TO BE FUNDED.

>> ELIMINATE HUNGER FIGHT, WASTE NOT, AND WHICH

OTHER? >> EARLY LEARNING COALITION OF

DUVAL. >> FUND THE OTHER

TEN? >>

CORRECT. >> SPLIT THE

DIFFERENCE. >> I THINK THERE WILL BE SOME LEFTOVER SO -- SPLIT IT BASED ON PERCENTAGE TAKING AWAY THOSE THREE.

>> SPLIT IT AMONG THE OTHER TEN.

>> CORRECT. THAT IS MY MOTION, AND INCLUDE THE SUNSET PROVISION.

>> INCLUDE THE SUNSET PROVISION.

>> FOR THREE YEARS.

>> OKAY, THE MOTION IS TO FUND OPTION "B" MODIFIED, WHICH ELIMINATES I THINK HUNGER FIGHT, WASTE NOT, AND EARLY LEARNING COALITION OF DUVAL, AND SPLIT THE 224,000, 200,000 AMONGST THE TEN EQUITABLE 42% OR WHATEVER IT ENDS UP BEING.

>> I'LL SECOND THE MOTION.

>> MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE PARTIAL OPTION "B" MODIFIED WHICH ELIMINATES HUNGER FIGHT, WASTE NOT NOT, AND EARLING LEARNING COALITION OF DUVAL. SPLIT THE DIFFERENCE, THE REMAINING 10 WITH THE FUTURE CONSIDERATION OF A SUNSET IN THREE

YEARS. >> I JUST HAVE ONE

QUESTION. >> ANY COMMENTS, QUESTIONS, OR CONSIDERATIONS?

>> JUST THE ONE. WASN'T THIS BASED ON A PERCENTAGE? ARE WE GOING TO HAVE TO REWORK OUR MATRIX?

>> SO IT WILL BE 42%, 43%, WHATEVER THAT PERCENTAGE

IS. >> WASN'T THAT MATRIX CREATED TO -- WHAT I'M SEEING BECAUSE OF THE MODIFICATION THE MATRIX CHANGES. SO WHEN WE'RE DOING THIS AGAIN NEXT YEAR, WHAT DOES IT LOOK LIKE? ARE WE GOING TO CHERRY PICK AGAIN AND THEN REDISTRIBUTE

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FORWARD? >> I THINK WHAT WE'LL DO WHEN WE COME THROUGH THE BUDGET PROCESS NEXT YEAR, WE'LL MAKE SURE WE REBRING THIS UP AND DECIDE DO YOU WANT THIS TO BE FOCUSED OR PROJECT BASED? IF I'M HEARING THE BOARD CONSENSUS TO MOVE AWAY FROM OPERATIONAL BASE TO PROJECT BASED, I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO RECHANGE YOUR SCORING ANYWAYS. THAT WAS KIND OF -- IF I UNDERSTOOD THE CONSENSUS THE TWO THINGS I HEARD WAS PROJECT- BASED AND CLAY COUNTY BASED, SO THAT WOULD CHANGE ANYWAYS.

>> AND A SUNSET. ANNUAL REDUCTION TO SUNSET IN THREE

YEARS. >>

CORRECT. >> SO THAT'S A MOTION SECOND.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS, QUESTIONS, AND CONSIDERATIONS? HEARING NONE, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE, ANY NAYS.

OKAY, PASSES 4-1. WE'RE A LITTLE BIT LATE.

WE'RE ONTO TIME CERTAIN. I WANT TO APOLOGIZE TO THOSE OF YOU WHO ARE IN ATTENDANCE WAITING FOR THESE, BUT WE

[18.  Resolutions Amending the Non-CIE Portion of the Clay County Capital Improvement Plan and Other Budget Adjustments (R. Kantor)]

REGGIE? >> NEED MY GLASSES.

THERE WE GO. I'M THE BUDGET MANAGER.

THIS ITEM IS ANNUAL EXERCISE WHICH GIVES THE OPPORTUNITY PER FLORIDA STATUTES TO MAKE FINAL ADJUSTMENTS TO THE PRIOR FISCAL YEAR BUDGET.

THESE ADJUSTMENTS MUST BE MADE WITHIN 60 DAYS OF THE END OF THE FISCAL YEAR.

FOR THE FY 23, 24 BUDGET, ADJUSTMENTS ARE IN RESPONSE TO FINAL INVOICES PAID AND REVENUES RECEIVED. WORKING WITH THE CLERK OF COURTS FINANCE, FINAL INTERFUND TRANSFERS ARE DETERMINED WITH BUDGETS SUGGESTED FOR ALL OBLIGATIONS.

REVENUES ARE ADJUSTED TO DETERMINE ENDING FUND BALANCES ALL IN AN EFFORT FOR THE AUDIT.

ADJUSTMENTS ARE ALSO MADE TO THE CURRENT FY 24, 25 BUDGET TO PROVIDE BUDGETS TO PROJECTS TO PROCEED WITH THE BALANCE CARRIED FROM THE PREVIOUS YEAR.

CAPITAL PROJECTS IN PARTICULAR FOR AN ADJUSTMENT FOR FUNDING STREAMS PROVIDING SUFFICIENT BUDGET FOR THIS FIS YEAR. THESE INCLUDE THE BOND AND ROAD PROJECTS AND THE COUNTY ROAD 222 PROJECTS. THESE ARE ABOVE THE LINE THUS NEEDING A PUBLIC HEARING. PROJECTS ABOVE THE LINE ARE VOTED ON SEPARATELY. ARE THERE ANY

QUESTIONS? >> ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. CANTER? OKAY, WE'RE GOING TO OPEN A PUBLIC HEARING. I DON'T HAVE ANY CARDS THAT ANYONE WANTS TO SPEAK ON THIS BUDGET AMENDMENT. IS THERE ANYBODY WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS? SEEING NONE, WE'RE GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS AND BRING IT BACK TO COUNCIL. NOW, THIS IS A 2023, 24 CHANGE, CORRECT?

>> WELL, ABOVE THE LINE IT WOULD BE 24, 25. THAT'S THE PUBLIC HEARING

PART. >> OKAY, THANK

YOU. >> ON THE APPROVAL, CAN WE APPROVE HOW MANY CAN BE APPROVED AT ONE TIME?

>> SO PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER APPROVAL OF ORDINANCE AMENDING THE CIE PORTION OF THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN.

>> THIS ONE DOESN'T HAVE THE -- THIS VERSION OF THE PRINTOUT DOESN'T HAVE THE ORDINANCE ON IT. BUT THE BACKUP I'VE PROVIDED DOES HAVE THE ORDINANCE.

>> YEAH, OURS HAVE IT.

>> SO DO THE ORDINANCE SEPARATE, AND THEN TWO, THREE, AND FOUR, YOU CAN DO THE RESOLUTIONS. BECAUSE THE OFRD ORDINANCE IS THE ONLY ONE THAT DOES THE PUBLIC

HEARING. >> MY FIRST MOTION IS TO APPROVE THE PUBLICE NUMBER

1. >> I'LL SECOND.

>> MOTION IS SECOND, APPROVE THE ORDINANCE AMENDING THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT ELEMENT OF THE 24, 25, BUDGET, IS THAT CORRECT? ANY COMMENTS.

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PASSES 5-0. WE NEED APPROVAL OF THE RESOLUTIONS 2, 3,

4. >>

MOVE APPROVAL. >> SECOND.

>> MOTION SECOND APPROVED THE RESOLUTION AMENDED IE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN, ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, CONCERNS.

HEARING NONE SAY AYE, PASSES 5-0.

[19.  Final Public Hearing to consider adoption of ZON 24-0029. (District 5, Comm. Burke) (M. Brown)]

24-0029. IF ANYBODY WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS OR ITEM 19, 20, 22, THIS IS QUASI- JUDICIAL HEARING, SO YOU NEED TO STAND AND BE COUNTED. IF YOU COULD STAND AT THE CENTER AISLE SO WE GET A VIEW OF YOU AND WE'LL READ YOU THE OATH.

>> JUST ITEMS 19 AND 20.

>> 19 AND 20. I'M

SORRY. >> ALL RIGHT, IF YOU'LL RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND PLEASE. DO YOU SOLEMNLY SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE TESTIMONY YOU'RE ABOUT TO GIVE WILL BE THE WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH SO HELP YOU GOD? THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. SO THIS IS THE FINAL HEARING TO CONSIDER ADOPTIONS ZONING 24-0029. IT'S AN APPLICATION FOR REZONING ZOCHANGE COMMERCIAL DISTRICT BA- 2 TO NEIGHBORING BUSINESS DISTRICT BA. MR. BROWN? I DIDN'T NOTICE YOU WERE GETTING

SHORT. >> SHORT TIMER.

THIS IS AN APPLICATION BY RIVER CAPITAL PROPERTIES LLC, STANLEY HUNT REPRESENTING THEM, AND IT'S A REQUEST FOR ZONING CHANGE OF 0. 58 ACRES FROM BA- 2 COMMERCIAL AND PROFESSIONAL OFFICE TO BA NEIGHBORHOOD BUSINESS.

THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED ON WEST 17 AND FRASIER ROAD.

IT IS IN THE CITY DISTRICT AND DISTRICT NUMBER 5. NOVEMBER 5TH THE COMMISSION HEARD THIS ITEM AND VOTED TO RECOMMEND DENIAL OF THE REQUEST. LITTLE BACKGROUND.

THE PARCEL IS DESIGNATED COMMERCIAL ON THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP.

IT HAS APPROXIMATELY 140 FEET OF FRONTAGE ON HIGHWAY 17 AND APPROXIMATELY 140 FEET OF FRONTAGE ON HIGHWAY FRASIER ROAD. THE PROPERTY IMMEDIATELY NORTH OF THE SUBJECT PARCEL IS THE BLACK CREEK VILLAGE DEVELOPMENT, A MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT THERE. THE PROPERTIES TO THE SOUTH AND WEST ARE ZONED BA- 2 LIKE THE SUBJECT PARCEL. EAST ACROSS US 17 ARE COMMERCIALLY ZONED PROPERTIES AND PROPERTIES WITH A COMMERCIAL FUTURE LAND USE ALSO.

ON THE SAME SIDE OF THE ROAD ABOUT 750 FEET SOUTH OF THE SUBJECT PARCEL, PROPERTY THAT IS ZONED BA TODAY. AND JUST ONE OF THE LIMITS AND REASON FOR THE REQUEST FOR THE REZONING IS THAT THE BA- 2 ZONING DISTRICT LIMITS BUILDING SIZE TO 2,500 SQUARE FEET.

I'LL GO INTO THAT A LITTLE LATER, A LITTLE MORE DEPTH. I'M -- YOU GUYS HAVE -- DOES THE BOARD HAVE A COPY OF THE PRESENTATION? OKAY, SO YOU CAN SEE THE MAPS. THERE'S A ZONING MAP AND A FUTURE LAND USE MAP WITH THE PARCEL OUTLINED.

THIS IS ONE OF THOSE AREAS IN THE COUNTY THAT WITH THE ADOPTION OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THE COUNTY DECIDED TO JUST BASICALLY DRAW A LINE 300 FEET FROM THE RIGHT AWAY OF 17 AND DESIGNATE THAT COMMERCIAL LAND USE AND ATTACH A COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICT TO IT. YOU'VE SEEN THAT MANY

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THE REQUESTED BA ZONING WILL ALLOW FOR RETAIL AND SERVICE USES THAT SATISFY THE BASIC SHOPPING NEEDS THAT ARE BEST SUITED FOR RELATIVE -- TO AREAS RELATIVE PROXIMITY OF RESIDENCES. THE REQUESTED BA ZONING IS ALLOWED IN THE COMMERCIAL FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION. STAFF HAS DETERMINED THAT THE REQUEST IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING AREA. THE PLANNING COMMISSION, AS I INDICATED EARLIER, HEARD THIS ITEM ON NOVEMBER 5TH.

AND THEY VOTED 4- 2 TO RECOMMEND DENIAL AGAINST THE REQUEST. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ZONING APPLICATION 24-0029. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF AT THIS POINT?

>> I SEE NONE.

>> OKAY.

>> RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. DO YOU SOMMENIALLY SWEAR AND AFFIRM THE TESTIMONY YOU'RE ABOUT TO GIVE WILL BE THE WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH SO HELP YOU GOD?

>> YES.

>> THANK YOU.

>> STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR

THE RECORD. >> STANLEY HUNT 1457 PETERS CREEK ROAD, GREEN COVE SPRINGS, FLORIDA. I'M REQUESTING A REZONING TO ALLOW A TWO- STORY BUILDING APPROXIMATELY 3,600 SQUARE FOOT. THE INITIAL THOUGHT IS A TWO-STORY RESIDENTIAL STYLE BUILDING VERY SIMILAR TO HOUSES RIGHT NEXT TO THE PROPERTY ALREADY. THE REASON I'M ASKING -- THERE'S SEVERAL REASONS I'M ASKING FOR A REZONING. ONE, I WANT TO PROVIDE SOME ROOM TO GRETO GROW A CPA FIRM, PROVIDE SOME ROOM TO GROW TO SERVE A GROWING NUMBER OF CLAY COUNTY BUSINESS OWNERS.

WE WOULD LIKE MORE SQUARE FOOTAGE FOR BIGGER OFFICES FOR STAFF. WE'RE TRYING TO COMPETE WITH CPA FIRMS IN JACKSONVILLE, WHICH IS VERY TOUGH. IT'S VERY TOUGH TO RETAIN CPAS AND KEEP THEM ON STAFF.

THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN OFFER THEM TO HELP THEM WANT TO STAY.

THE ZONE IS LIMITED TO BUILDING ON THE SITE, WHICH WOULD BE LOCATED VERY CLOSE TO OUR NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY. SO INSTEAD OF THIS I WANT TO BUILD A TWO-STORY BUILDING SO THE EXISTING BUILDING WOULD BE 2,500 SQUARE FOOT WITH A LARGE FOOTPRINT. WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS A 1700 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING THAT'S TWO- STORY THAT HAS A SMALLER FOOTPRINT AND HAS A NICE BUFFER WITH OUR NEIGHBOR AND ALL AROUND LOOKS VERY PROFESSIONAL INSTEAD OF A TIGHT BUILDING THAT LOOKS LIKE IT'S CRAMMED IN WITH A SHOE HORN.

THERE ARE -- I DON'T THINK THIS WOULD BE ANYTHING INVASIVE OR INTRUSIVE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD RIGHT NEXT TO MY PROPERTY AND RIGHT NEXT TO THE NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY ARE ALREADY LOTS OF TWO STORY HOUSES IN THAT RENTAL DEVELOPMENT RIGHT THERE. AND I KNOW I'VE GOT A BIASED OPINION, BUT IN MY OPINION WITH THE EXISTING ZONING, THERE ARE THINGS THAT -- THERE ARE A LOT WORSE THINGS THAT CAN GO HERE, A UPS STORE, A DAY CARE, A PUBLIC ASSEMBLY, JUST TO NAME A FEW. WHEREAS OUR CPA FIRM HAS VERY LOW TRAFFIC. I KNOW THAT'S THE BIG CONCERN IN CLAY COUNTY IS TRAFFIC. I LIVE RIGHT OFF OF 209 AND I WON'T EVEN START WITH THE TRAFFIC.

BASICALLY 4 TO 9 CARS WILL ARRIVE EACH MORNING.

MAYBE 3 TO 4 WILL LEAVE FOR LUNCH, COME BACK, EVERYBODY LEAVES AT 5:00. I WOULD SAY ABOUT 50% OF THE WORK IS REMOTE, SO NOT EVERYONE IS THERE ALL DAY.

WE ONLY OPERATE MONDAY THROUGH THURSDAY 8:30 TO 5:00.

SO I THINK THE REALITY IS A LOT OF THE NEIGHBORS WILL NEVER

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NUMBER ONE, A PERCEPTION THAT THE LOT IS NOT BUILDABLE, NOT ENOUGH ROOM. NUMBER 2, A PERCEPTION THAT A CPA FIRM WOULD RUIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND NUMBER 3, A FEAR THAT IF THE NEIGHBORHOOD REZONES I WILL SETTLE THIS LAND INTO AN UNDESIRABLE BUSINESS.

ADDRESSING ONE OF THESE AT A TIME. REGARDING LOT NOT BEING BUILDABLE, THIS IS JUST NOT ACCURATE. WHEN WE FIRST STARTED THIS PROCESS, WE CAN BUILD A 2,500 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING, AND THIS IS BEFORE WE FOUND OUT FROM THE ZONING MEETING LAST MONTH THAT BECAUSE THE NEIGHBOR IS ALSO ZONED COMMERCIAL, WE CAN ACTUALLY BUILD RIGHT UP TO THE PROPERTY LINE. SO THERE'S MORE THAN ENOUGH ROOM TO PUT A BUILDING THERE. WE'VE BEEN THROUGH DRC, CIVIL ENGINEERS, ARCHITECTS, THEY ALL AGREE. SO THAT'S THE FIRST ISSUE.

THE ISSUE REGARDING THE CPA FIRM RUINING THE NEIGHBORHOOD, I JUST RESPECTFULLY DISAGREE WITH THIS OPINION. MY FAMILY HAS LIVED ON WATKINS ROAD FOR 22 YEARS. IT'S A DEAD END JUST LIKE FRASIER. AND ABOUT SIX YEARS AGO AT THE FRONT HE WANTED TO SELL FIREWOOD TO AUGMENT HIS FAMILY'S INCOME. AND THIS IS PEOPLE COMING ALL- TIMES OF THE DAY AND NIGHT.

HE'S GOT A DROP BOX, STRANGERS, WE DON'T KNOW WHO THEY ARE COMING IN AND OUT WHENEVER. I'M HERE TO TELL YOU THIS DID NOT NEGATIVELY EFFECT MY LIFE OR ANYONE ON THAT STREET'S LIFE WHATSOEVER.

IN FACT, HE'S A PRETTY POPULAR GUY IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

SO WHENEVER WE CUT DOWN A TREE, WE ALWAYS CALL HIM TO COME GET IT.

SO THAT'S A SITUATION. YOU'VE GOT STRANGE PEOPLE COMING TO YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD AT ALL HOURS OF THE NIGHT AND THE DAY. THIS IS GOING TO BE MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY 8:30 TO 5:00, THAT'S IT.

I DON'T THINK THAT IT'S REASONABLE TO SAY THAT A CPA FIRM WOULD RUIN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.

DURING THE LAST ZONING MEETING COMMENTS OR NOT, I FELT LIKE THERE WAS A PORTRAYAL I WAS SORT OF LIKE OVERSEEING A LOT OF THESE PEOPLE COMING IN FROM OUT OF TOWN AND BUYING LAND AND TRYING TO CHANGE IT INTO SOMETHING UNDESIRABLE. I WANT TO MAKE IT CLEAR I BOUGHT THIS LAND ZONED COMMERCIAL ALREADY. I DIDN'T BUY IT RESIDENTIAL AND THEN SOMEHOW CONVERT IT INTO COMMERCIAL.

THIS HANE IN THE COUNTY'S PLAN ALONG HIGHWAY 17 FOR THIS AREA TO BE SPECIFICALLY FOR BUSINESSES THAT WILL GRADUALLY TRANSITION INTO RESIDENTIAL.

AND AS A SIDE NIGHT MAYBE FOR FUTURE CONSIDERATION I THINK MYSELF AND I THINK A WHOLE LOT OF TIME COULD HAVE BEEN SPARED IF BA- 2 ZONING ALLOWED FOR A TWO-STORY.

WHY WOULD BA- 2 ZONING FOR A PROFESSIONAL BUILDING ALLOW A 22-FOOT HIGH STRUCTURE THAT CAN ONLY BE ONE STORY? I THINK IF THAT -- IF THIS EXISTING ZONING ALLOWED TWO- STORY, WE WOULD NEVER HAVE THIS PROBLEM. BUT THAT'S JUST FOR FUTURE CONSIDERATION. SO, IN MY OPINION, PROBABLY THE BIGGEST FEAR I HEARD DURING THE ZONING AND WHAT REALLY THE PEOPLE ON THE ZONING COMMITTEE CITED AS THE REASON FOR THE FOUR PEOPLE THAT VOTED AGAINST IT WAS THE FEAR THAT I WOULD DO SOMETHING UNDESIRABLE WITH THE LAND IF IT WAS REZONED.

SO TO THAT END, I JUST WANT TO TAKE YOU OVER THE PROCESS OF THE LAST YEAR THAT I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THIS, WORKING WITH MIKE BROWN AND HIS ZONING DEPARTMENT.

I'M A CPA, I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THIS STUFF. I SAID WHAT CAN WE DO TO ACCOMPLISH THIS? AND WE WERE GIVEN THE GUIDANCE OF A ZONING VARIANCE.

THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE DID. WENT DOWN THAT ROAD FOR ABOUT THREE MONTHS.

AND I WAS TOLD THREE MONTHS INTO THE PROCESS THAT A ZONING VARIANCE COULD NOT ACCOMPLISH THIS.

WHAT I WOULD SAY TO IF I HAD BAD INTENTIONS OF CONVERTING THIS INTO SOMETHING ELSE, WHY WOULD INITIALLY DO A ZONING VARIANCE WHEN THAT ALLOWS FOR NOTHING ELSE TO BE BUILT THERE? SECOND, I THINK THE BEST WAY THE NEIGHBORHOOD CAN GUARD AGAINST A BAD BUSINESS BEING PUT ON THAT PROPERTY IS TO PUT A GOOD BUSINESS IN THAT PLACE.

BECAUSE I THINK THE MOST LIKELY OUTCOME IS FOR THAT BUSINESS TO BE THERE, AND THAT'S GOING TO PREVENT SOMEONE ELSE FROM BUYING IT AND PUT SOMETHING UNDESIRABLE THERE. I -- I REALLY ENJOY MY WORK. WE HAD OUR THANKSGIVING LUNCHEON TODAY.

I'M JUST VERY PRIVILEGED TO WORK

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AFTER THAT THE MOST LIKELY OUTCOME IS FRIDAUGHTER TO TAKE OVER THE FIRM.

THE MOST LIKELY OUTCOME THIS WILL BE A CPA FIRM FOR THE NEXT 30 YEARS AND HOPEFULLY LONGER.

BACK WHERE WE WERE ZONED FOR POTKENS BACK ON 5. 5 ACRES PER LOT FOR A LONG TIME. AND A LOT OF NEIGHBORS CAME IN AND HE DID A WEIRD THING WHERE YOU CAN SPLIT THEM INTO 2.5 ACRES FOR A REASON. WHILE THIS WAS GOING ON, WE WERE BACK THERE BY OURSELVES FOREVER AND IT WAS GREAT.

I UNDERSTAND EXACTLY THIS WHOLE DYNAMIC, AND THEN WE ASKED AROUND ABOUT THE PERSON BUYING THE LOT NEXT TO US. AND EVERYBODY WE TALKED TO SAID THESE ARE AWESOME PEOPLE, THEY'RE GOOD PEOPLE, YOU'RE GOING TO LOVE THEM AS NEIGHBORS. AND THEY WERE EXACTLY CORRECT.

THEY'VE BEEN OUR NEIGHBORS FOR EIGHT YEARS.

I BRING UP SIMILAR WE WERE THINKING BEFORE WE RAISED ALL THIS RUCKUS PROBABLY THE BEST WAY TO PREVENT US FROM HAVING A BAD NEIGHBOR IS TO HAVE A GOOD NEIGHBOR.

SO I THINK THAT'S APPLICABLE TO THIS SITUATION. SO SINCE THE LAST ZONING MEETING THIS CONCERN REALLY BROUGHT UP AND IT SURPRISED ME, I'VE WORKED WITH TWO ATTORNEYS TO COME UP WITH A WAY WHERE WE CAN ASSURE THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE COMMUNITY THAT NOTHING BAD IS GOING TO BE BUILT THERE. AND THIS WAS A DIFFICULT PROCESS, BUT WE FINALLY GOT TO THE POINT WHERE I WORKED WITH ATTORNEY BILLY DAVIES HERE. HE CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE. SO WE HAVE A DOCUMENT THAT I'M WILLING TO SIGN TODAY WITH THE NEIGHBORS THAT DIRECTLY PREVENTS ME OR ANYONE ELSE -- SO EVEN IF I SELL IT, IT GOES WITH THE PROPERTY, IT PREVENTS ANYONE ELSE FROM EVER PUTTING IN ANY OTHER BUSINESS OTHER THAN WHAT IS NOW CURRENTLY ALLOWED BY BA- 2 ZONING. I GOT THIS TO MIKE BROWN AND HE REVIEWED THE DOCUMENT AND IF I MAY QUOTE YOU, HE SAID THIS LOOKS AS IRON CLAD AS YOU CAN GET. AFTER THIS, I SENT THIS TO ALL THE NEIGHBORS AND SAID HERE'S THE DOCUMENT, I'M AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS. HERE'S THE ATTORNEY'S PHONE NUMBER, I'M AVAILABLE TO MEET, WHAT CAN WE DO? AND I'VE FOLLOWED UP A COUPLE OF TIMES. I'VE NOT HEARD ANYTHING BACK, BUT THAT'S ALL I CAN THINK TO DO. I'M NOT SURE WHERE THEY STAND ON THAT.

I GUESS THAT WOULD BE A QUESTION FOR THEM. SO -- AND I WANT TO SAY SOMETHING ELSE. NO MATTER WHAT I SIGN TODAY OR NOT, I WANT TO STAND HERE AND GIVE THE COMMISSIONERS MY WORD AND THE NEIGHBORS MY WORD THAT I WILL NOT BUILD ANYTHING NEFARIOUS ON THAT PROPERTY. I WILL NOT SELL TO ANYONE WHO'S GOING TO DO ANYTHING NEFARIOUS. THERE'S A COUPLE OF THINGS.

FIRST, I'VE BEEN TRYING TO BUILD A NEW HEADQUARTERS FOR MY CPA FOR A YEAR AND WE'RE OUT OF ROOM.

LIKE I TELL MY KIDS CLAY COUNTY IS A SMALL WORLD. YOU DON'T WANT TO RUIN YOUR WORLD OVER THAT.

SOME OTHER CONSIDERATIONS. THERE'S TWO- STORY HOUSES RIGHT NEXT TO IT, SO WE WOULDN'T BE INTRODUCING ANYTHING CRAZY TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WOULDN'T LOOK RIGHT.

ACROSS THE STREET AND ON THE SAME SIDE -- I DON'T HAVE THE MAP IN FRONT OF ME DIRECTLY, BUT I'VE LOOKED. THERE ARE BB ZONED PROPERTIES AND BB3 ZONED PROPERTIES.

SO I'M NOT A ZONING EXPERT, BUT AS I READ IT, THESE ZONINGS ALLOW FOR SOME PRETTY CRAZY STUFF RIGHT THERE NEXT TO WHERE I AM. SO EVEN THROUGH ALL THIS WITH A WRITTEN DOCUMENT GIVING MY WORD, EVEN IF SOMETHING WERE TO HAPPEN AND THIS GETS CONVERTED TO BA, THE BA ZONING IS VERY MILD COMPARE TODAY SOME ZONING RIGHT THERE IN THAT AREA ALREADY.

ALSO, I BELIEVE THAT IF WE GO AND BUILD A TWO- STORY PROFESSIONAL BUILDING THAT'S MEANT FOR PROFESSIONALS, AND WE WERE TO SELL IT ONE DAY, WELL, IT'S VERY HARD TO CONVERT A TWO- STORY BUILDING MEANT FOR PROFESSIONALS INTO A NIGHTCLUB OR SOMETHING OTHER OR UNDESIRABLE. I THINK THAT HELPS ELIMINATE A LOT OF BUYERS THEY DON'T WANT.

SO VERY HAPPY AND FORTUNATE TO WORK WITH A GREAT GROUP OF PEOPLE. WE'RE GROWING LIKE CRAZY AND WE NEED MORE ROOM PERIOD.

SO I'VE WORKED WITH THE CIVIL ENGINEERS AND ARCHITECT ON A PLAN B IF THIS DOESN'T WORK.

WHAT THEY'VE TOLD ME IS ALTHOUGH THERE'S A LIMIT OF 2,500 SQUARE FEET ON A BUILDING, YOU

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THE PROBLEM IS THE ONE BUILDING WILL LOOK KIND OF NORMAL, I THINK.

THE OTHER ONE IF YOU LOOK AT THE MAP, THE BACK OF IT IS GOING TO HAVE TO BE LIKE A TRIANGLE R- ISH SHAPED BUILDING.

I'D LIKE TO HAVE A LOT OF BUSHES OR HIGH BUSHES OR A PRIVACY FENCE OR WHATEVER. THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DO. BUT JUST TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, WE'RE DESPERATE FOR SPACE. AND SO THAT'S WHY I BOUGHT THE PROPERTY.

SO I DON'T WANT TO DO THAT. AS I'M TALKING TO THESE GUYS, I'M JUST SITTING HERE SAYING TO MYSELF THIS JUST SEEMS CRAZY THAT WE'RE EVEN DISCUSSING THIS POSSIBILITY. WHY WOULDN'T WE BUILD SOMETHING THAT LOOKS GREAT AND ALL THESETHESE POEM COME OVER THE BLACK CREEK BRIDGE AND GO PAST THE RENTAL HOUSES AND GO THAT'S AN AWESOME LOOKING BUILDING RIGHT THERE, INSTEAD OF, HEY, THERE'S THAT WEIRD SPACESHIP LOOKING BUILDING ON THE RIGHT? SO AT THE END OF THE DAY I'M NOT AN EXPERT ON ZONING, I REALLY BELIEVE THAT THE OBVIOUS COMMENTS AND BEST SOLUTION FOR MY IMMEDIATE NEIGHBOR ESPECIALLY IS TO ALLOW FOR A TWO- STORY BUILDING.

THANK YOU FOR BEING PATIENT WITH ME.

DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?

>> ANY QUESTIONS? THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

APPRECIATE IT. DO WE HAVE A COPY OF THIS

DOCUMENT? >> STAFF DOES NOT HAVE A COPY. STAFF HAS LOOKED AT IT, BUT WE DIDN'T BRING A COPY.

>> MR. DAVIS, COULD YOU SUMMARIZE WHAT THE DOCUMENT

ENTAILS? >> YES, I WAS APPROACHED BY MR. HUNT IN ORDER TO COME UP WITH A SOLUTION IN ORDER TO ADDRESS THE CONCERNS OF SOME NEIGHBORS. SOME NEIGHBORS THAT WERE CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT COULD GO ON THIS LOT, AND HE ASKED ME WHAT OPTIONS THERE WERE. I DID A LOT OF RESEARCH BARRING A VARIANCE. THIS DOCUMENT IS A RESTRICTED COVENANT, LIKE YOU WOULD SEE IN ANY OTHER TYPE OF RESTRICTING NEIGHBORHOOD OR OTHER DEVELOPMENT WHERE YOU'RE VYING FOR RESTRICTED DEVELOPMENT. SPECIFICALLY IT BASICALLY LIMITS THE USE TO ALL USES THAT ARE AVAILABLE UNDER BA- 2 ZONING ONLY. SO IT WOULD ALLOW BA AND BA- 2 USES. AND IT WOULD LAST -- IT WOULD REQUIRE A UNANIMOUS -- IN ORDER TO CHANGE THAT USE RESTRICTION IT WOULD REQUIRE UNANIMOUS WRITTEN CONSENT FOR ALL OWNERS OF THE ADJACENT LOTS.

ANY LOTS SIGNED ONTO THAT AGREEMENT OR ADJACENT TO THE PROPERTY WANT TO BE INCLUDED IN THE -- THE CURRENT OWNERS WOULD HAVE TO ALLOW ANY OTHER USE OTHER THAN A PROFESSIONAL BUILDING.

SO THAT WAS BASICALLY IT. AND IT WOULD HAVE BEEN FILED UNDER PUBLIC RECORD LIKE ANY OTHER RESTRICTIVE COVENANT, AND MR. HUNT AND ANY OF HIS COMPANIES WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO DEVELOP IT FOR ANY OTHER PURPOSE OTHER THAN A PROFESSIONAL BUILDING NOR WOULD ANY OTHER PURCHASER BE ABLE TO BASICALLY REMOVE THAT.

THE ONLY WAY THAT COULD BE REMOVED IS THROUGH UNANIMOUS CONSENT OF ALL THE NEIGHBORS, OR IF THE -- AND THIS IS A VERY, VERY IMPROBABLE RESULT. AND IF THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD CHANGES SO MUCH IT THWARTS THE PURPOSE OF THE DOCUMENT, THEN A JUDGE COULD LIMIT IT OR A JUDGE COULD REMOVE IT, BUT THAT IS VERY, VERY HARD TO DO AND DO NOT SEE IT BEING APPLICABLE HERE.

>> THANK YOU.

>> IF YOU HAVE ANYANY QUESTIONS, FEEL FREE TO ASK.

IF NOT DECIDED TODAY AND IT GETS PUSHED, I'LL BE HAPPY TO FORWARD A COPY OF THE AGREEMENT.

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>> WE'LL NEED A COPY IF IT PASSES ANYWAY.

I'M GOING TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION. I HAVE SEVERAL CARDS ALREADY, SO WE'LL GO IN THE ORDER THAT I RECEIVED THEM.

MR. BAKER.

>> THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO YOU FOLKS. RICK BAKER, 1530, FRASIER ROAD.

BEEN A RESIDENT OF THE ROAD FOR 40 YEARS.

NOT SOME TRANSIENT THAT COMES ININ A SHORT TIME AND GOING ON.

MAIN CONCERNS SAFETY, TRAFFIC, AND THEN TO BE QUITE BLUNT AND FRANK OUR QUALITY OF LIFE.

THIS IS A SINGLE ROAD. ONCE YOU COME OFF OF 17, IT'S A SINGLE ROAD. THERE ARE SIX FAMILIES THAT LIVE ON THIS ROAD. THEY'VE GOT KIDS AGE ANYWHERE FROM 2 TO 3. MY DAUGHTER'S IN HER MID- 30S AND SHE NOW HAS HER OWN FAMILY AND WE HAVE GRANDKIDS. FOR 60 YEARS WE ROAD BICYCLES, WALKED, JOGGED, LEARNED TO DRIVE VEHICLES AND EVERYTHING ELSE UP AND DOWN THAT ROAD. OUR MAILBOXES ARE AT THE END OF THE ROAD ON 17. WE WALKED TO THE ROADS ON NICE DAYS AND EVENINGS TO GET THE MAIL.

I HEAR THINGS LIKE THIS PRESENT OWNER IS WANTING TO -- BURSTING AT THE SEAMS AND GROWING IS NEEDS MORE SPACE. THERE ARE SOME TIMES IN THE MORNINGS AND THE AFTERNOONS AND EVENINGS BECAUSE OF THE TRAFFIC THAT IS BOTTLENECK ON 17, FOLKS TRYING TO GET ONTO RUSSELL ROAD AND GET TO THESE NEW COMMUNITIES THAT ARE BACK HERE, THERE ARE TIMES WE SIT THERE AND I SIT THERE FOR 5 AND 7 AND 10 MINUTES TO GET ACROSS 17 OR EVEN GET OUT ON THE ROAD, AND THAT'S ONLY WITH SIX FAMILIES ON THE ROAD.

I HAVE NO IDEA HOW MANY EMPLOYEES HE'S GOING TO HAVE. BECAUSE THAT BEING A SINGLE LANE ROAD, AT A VERY MINIMUM WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DOUBLING. I JUST -- FOR KIDS AND FAMILIES AND OUR WAY OF LIFE THAT WE HAVE BEEN ENJOYING, WE LOVE THAT ROAD AND WE CHERISH THAT ROAD, AND WE WANT TO PROTECT THAT ROAD.

THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO BECAUSE OF HOW IT'S ZONED NOW. IF HIM OR ANYBODY ELSE WANTS TO DO WHAT THEY WANT TO DO, LIVE WITHIN THE PERIMETERS OF IT. WE DON'T THINK US AS A COMMUNITY THAT HAVE BEEN THERE, RAISED OUR KIDS THERE, HAD OUR GRANDKIDS THERE, OUR WAY OF LIFE, THE THINGS WE ENJOY AND DO, WE DON'T NEED TO PAY FOR WHAT COULD HAPPEN OR MIGHT COME DOWN THE ROAD. THAT'S JUST -- THAT'S UNFAIR TO US, AND THIS IS WHERE WE NEED SOMEONE LIKE YOU FOLKS TO SAY, HEY, LISTEN, IT'S ZONED THAT, LIVE WITHIN THE PERIMETERS, DO WHATEVER YOU WANT TO DO. WE'RE NOT HAPPY WITH ANY OF IT, BUT IN THE SAME TOKEN THERE'S NOTHING WE UNDERSTAND THAT WE CAN DO. BUT I'M VERY MUCH OPPOSED, AND I HOPE THAT YOU FOLKS CAN SEE BETWEEN THE FAMILIES AND STUFF THAT ARE HERE AND THE WAY WE'VE LIVED, WE NEED SOMEONE TO PROTECT US.

THANK YOU.

>> TRINA BAKER.

>> HI. 1530 FRASIER ROAD. I JUST WANT TO TRY TO ADDRESS -- I TURNED IN A CARD FOR ALSO TO SPEAK ON JESSE AND SUSANNE RYAN'S BEHALF. THEY CAN'T BE HERE.

THEIR PROPERTY BORDERS THE POTENTIAL BUSINESS.

HE HAD A CARDIAC EPISODE TWO NIGHTS AGO.

I AM CONCERNED FOR MYSELF. LIKE MY HUSBAND SAID SAFETY, THE TRAFFIC, AND OUR QUALITY OF LIFE. WHICH HE SPOKE OF THE QUALITY OF LIFE. I'LL LEAVE IT WITH THAT WITH HIM. BUT THE SAFETY ISSUE IS -- AND I HEAR WHAT MR. HUNT SAYS ABOUT HE'LL -- I'VE SEEN THE DOCUMENT, AND I SEE WHAT IT SAYS.

AND I ALSO KNOW WHAT ELSE COULD GO IN THERE SHOULD HE DECIDE TO SELL IT.

ANY TRAFFIC THAT IS COMING ON THAT ROAD AND TURNING ONTO OUROUR ROAD, THE TRAFFIC TERRIBLE TO GET OFF THE ROAD. BUT THE TRAFFIC COMING ONTO THE ROAD, IF I'M OUT WALKING, WHICH I WALK TO THE END OF THE ROAD, MY KIDS, MY GRANDKIDS RIDE THEIR BIKES. I HAVE MY LITTLE

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IF SOMETHING CRAZY HAPPENED TO OUR COMMUNITY, THINGS CRAZY IS HAPPENING ALL OVER CLAY COUNTY, AND IF SOMETHING CRAZY HAPPENS LIKE A SHOPPING CENTER GOING IN AS MR. HUNT REFERRED TO MR. JESSE, WHO SAID THAT WOULD HAPPEN, THAT WOULD NULL THAT COVENANT, AND I'M NOT GOING TO SIGN A COVENANT RESTRICTION. TRAFFIC IS TERRIBLE, AND I WORRY ABOUT SOMEBODY TURNING ONTO THE ROAD HITTING ONE OF US, WALKING -- ANYBODY COMING DOWN THE ROAD. AND I'M 58 YEARS OLD.

THE ROAD IS NAMED AFTER MY GRANDMOTHER.

I HAVE LIVED ON THAT ROAD ALL BUT 14 MONTHS OFOF LIFE.

AND I UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S COMMERCIAL, AND I UNDERSTAND HE HAS A RIGHT TO PUT HIS BUSINESS THERE. BUT LIKE MY HUSBAND SAYS, LET HIM PUT THE BUSINESS THERE THE WAY IT IS BECAUSE TO ZONE IT TO THE BA OPENS A CAN OF WORMS OF SOMEBODY ELSE IN THE FUTURE COMING IN -- WE HAVE OUR NEIGHBORS WHO ARE SENIORS THAT LIVE RIGHT ACROSS THE ROAD.

THEIR DRIVEWAY WILL BOTTLENECK INTO THE DRIVEWAY OF THIS BUSINESS. AND IT'S UNSAFE FOR THEM.

ANY TRAFFIC ASIDE FROM THE RESIDENTS IS UNSAFE FOR US BECAUSE IT IS NOT A NEIGHBORHOOD, IT'S A COUNTY PART OF IT BY THE COUNTY. THE OTHER PART IS PRIVATE, WHICH IS OUR LAND. AND I WOULD JUST APPRECIATE Y'ALL CONSIDERING THE FACT THAT THE TRAFFIC IS TERRIBLE. IT'S A SAFETY ISSUE FOR ALL OF US ON THE ROAD. I APPRECIATE Y'ALL'S CONSIDERATION FOR THAT.

AND CAN I SAY ANYTHING, I HAVE ONE THING.

>> QUICKLY. >> TWO- STORY BUILDING HE SAYS WE'RE OKAY WITH IT.

WE'RE NOT OKAY WITH A TWO- STORY BUILDING.

JESSE IS NOT OKAY WITH A TWO- STORY BUILDING.

HIS PROPERTY DOES, AND HE'S SAID IT SEVERAL TIMES, COME RIGHT UP TO THEIR FRONT YARD.

THEIR BEDROOM SITS RIGHT THERE. PROPERTY LINE COMES HERE AND YOU HAVE THE RIGHT-OF- WAY OR WHATEVER YOU CALL THAT.

JESSE AND SUSANNE'S BEDROOM IS ON THE FRONT OF THE OFFICE. PEOPLE INSIDE THAT BUILDING, HIS CPA PEOPLE WHO MIGHT GO IN THERE, MIGHT NOT SEE INTO THAT BEDROOM.

UNFORTUNATELY, JESSE'S PROPERTY AT THE FRONT IS COMMERCIAL. IT'S BEEN THAT WAY SINCE I WAS BORN. I DON'T KNOW WHY, BUT IT IS A RESIDENTIAL HOME. SO THOSE HOMES WITH THE WINDOWS AT THE -- WITH THE OFFICE BUILDINGS AT THE TOP CAN SEE DIRECTLY INTO THEIR BEDROOM, WHICH IS AT THE FRONT.

AND YES, THOSE HOMES ARE TO THE LEFT OF THEIR HOUSE, AND THAT WAS A NIGHTMARE FOR THEM AND THEY HATED IT, BUT THEY'VE DONE A LOT ON THAT SIDE TO TRY TO PROTECT. IT'S THE BACKSIDE OF THEIR HOUSE, IT'S NOT THEIR BEDROOMS. SO WE'RE NOT -- THE COVENANT SAYS WE'RE OKAY WITH THE STRUCTURE OF A TWO- STORY BUILDING. NONE OF US ARE OKAY WITH THE STRUCTURE OF A TWO- STORY BUILDING. THANK YOU VERY

MUCH. >> BAKER

SHAW. >> MY NAME IS CHELSEA BAKER SHAW. I'M A GREAT-GRANDDAUGHTER OF THE FRASIERS WHOSE THE ROAD IS NAMED AFTER. I'M EXTREMELY OPPOSED TO THE REZONING. THERE ARE NOW FIVE GENERATIONS LIVING ON THIS ROAD, MY THREE CHILDREN BEING THE FIFTH. THE REZONING OF THIS PROPERTY WOULD IMPACT THE QUALITY OF ALL OUR LIVES. I HAVE GREAT CONCERNS THE SAFETY OF MY FAMILY AND MY CHILDREN.

THERE'S BEEN EXPONENTIAL GROWTH IN THIS AREA OVER THE LAST TEN YEARS.

THE TRAFFIC HAS MADE IT EXTREMELY DIFFICULT TO GET OFF OF OUR ROAD, AND THIS WOULD ONLY ADD TO THAT DIFFICULTY.

THIS IS A SMALL, SINGLE-LANE DIRT ROAD WITH A TOTAL OF SIX FAMILIES WHO LIVE HERE. THIS REZONING OPENS UP THE OPPORTUNITY FOR RETAIL AND OTHER BUSINESSES, WHICH WOULD BRING HEAVIER TRAFFIC AND SAFETY ISSUES IN AN AREA THAT IS RESIDENTIAL AND HOME TO ALL OF US THAT HAVE BEEN BLESSED TO LIVE HERE AND TO GROW UP ON FRASIER ROAD. THANK

Y'ALL. >> THANK YOU.

MR. CLAXTON.

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>> ON THE OPPOSITE SIDESIDE FRASIER ROAD FROM WHERE THE SUBJECT PROPERTY LIES. I REPRESENT THE OWNERS OF THAT PROPERTY AND MYSELF. AND I WAS LISTENING TO EVERYTHING EVERYBODY HAD TO SAY, AND MY CONCERN AS WELL IS THE CURRENT STATUS OF FRASIER ROAD AND ATTEMPTING TO CHANGE IT.

I THINK ANY TYPE OF ALTERATION OF FRASIER ROAD WOULD PROBABLY BE URGED TO FOLLOW ANY MAJOR ALTERATION OF THE BUSINESS SIZE. IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THE 2,500 SQUARE- FOOT SINGLE STORY SEEMS TO BE ADEQUATE FOR A SMALL BUSINESS. WE HAVE A SMALLER BUSINESS BACK WHEN I WAS WORKING LAND TITLES, BUT I THINK A BUSINESS OF SAY 10 OR 12 FOLKS TOTAL WOULD -- COULD EASILY BE DONE WITH A ONE- STORY AND MAINTAINING THE CURRENT ZONING AND NOT OPENING THE ZONING REQUIREMENTS UP TO A MUCH WIDER SPECTRUM OF BUSINESSES.

IT WOULD CREATE EXTREME PRESSURE TO ALTER THE ROAD AND MAYBE EVEN REQUIRE A STOPLIGHT TO BE -- TO SERVICE IT AS WELL AS WIDENING PART OF THE ROAD AND CREATING ADDED EXPENSE AND THE HAZARD AS THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT TO THE CHILDREN, TO KIDS, AND ALSO PEDESTRIANS ON THE RECENTLY ACQUIRED PATH -- PEDESTRIAN AND BIKE PATH THAT WAS BUILT ON THAT SIDE OF 17. I WOULD -- I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE'RE NOT -- I DON'T THINK ANY OF US ARE REALLY OPPOSED TO THAT LINE OF WORK, THAT LINE OF BUSINESS, BUT THAT THE CURRENT ZONING IS ADEQUATE TO PROVIDE FOR THAT.

UNFORTUNATELY, THE ADDITIONAL STORY JUST CREATES THE CONUNDRUM OF THE WIDER ZONING SITUATION, AND I'M VERY MUCH OPPOSE TO OPENING THAT UP TO WHAT THAT

BRINGS. >> THANK YOU.

I HAVE NO FURTHER CARDS. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS SUBJECT? CAN YOU SPEAK ON WHICH?

]. >> SURE.

YOU WERE SWORN IN, WEREN'T YOU?

>> COME FORWARD, AND YOU CAN BE SWORN IN.

IS MR. CLARK OUT THERE, TOO? THAT'S YOU, OKAY.

I DON'T SWEAR YOU IN.

>> DO YOU SOLEMNLY SWEAR OR AFFIRM THE TESTIMONY YOU'RE ABOUT TO GIVE WILL BE NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH AND WHOLE TRUTH SO HELP YOU GOD?

>> I DO. MY NAME IS JASON CLARK.

I'VE BEEN A NEIGHBOR OF STAN'S FOR 31, 32 YEARS.

I DIDN'T KNOW HE WAS HERE TO DO THE BUSINESS. I'M HERE TO FIGHT GROWTH. THE IRONY IN THAT I KNOW. BUT STAN HAS ALWAYS BEEN WELL RESPECTED IN OUR COMMUNITY. IF HE TELLS YOU HE'S ONLY GOING TO HAVE NINE CARS, HE'S ONLY GOING TO HAVE NINE CAR.

HE DIDN'T ASK ME TO SPEAK, SO I DON'T HAVE MUCH TO SAY, ONLY THAT WHATEVER STAN SAYS TO ME HAS BEEN 100% TRUTHFUL, AND I BELIEVE HE'S BEING TRUTHFUL WITH YOU GUYS, AND I HOPE YOU TAKE THAT UNDER CONSIDERATION. THANK

YOU. >> THANK

YOU. >> YOU'RE STANDING UP.

HAVE YOU BEEN SWORN IN FOR THIS? YOU HAVE? DO I HAVE A CARD ON

YOU? >> NO, SIR.

I GOT HERE LATE.

>> YOU NEED TO FILL OUT A CARD.

>> KEITH SIMMONS, 1509 FRASIER ROAD. WE JUST MOVED INTO THE -- ON THE ROAD ABOUT 2 1/2 YEARS AGO. AND LIKE SO MANY HAVE -- THE REASON WHY WE BROUGHT THERE IS BECAUSE IT WAS A QUIET, RESERVED PLACE.

I GREW UP ON A DAIRY FARM AND IT REMINDED ME OF HOME AND

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WHAT MIGHT HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE IF HE WERE TO SELL THE BUSINESS AND SOME OTHER TYPE OF BUSINESS WENT IN THERE. SO WE JUST -- WE LOVE OUR ROAD, AND WE LOVE THE ATMOSPHERE WE HAVE THERE.

WE HAVE INCREDIBLE NEIGHBORS, EVERYBODY.

AND WISH THE BEST FOR YOU AND YOUR BUSINESS, BUT WE REALLY WOULD LIKE TO KEEP OUR NEIGHBORHOOD A NEIGHBORHOOD SO --

>> THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL THE CARDS WE HAVE.

DOES ANYONE ELSE WISH TO SPEAK ON THIS SUBJECT? OKAY, I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND BRING IT BACK TO COMMISSION.

>> I HAVE ONE QUESTION, MIKE. SO A 22- FOOT STRUCTURE IS ALLOWED UNDER BA- 2 ALREADY?

>> WHAT WAS THAT QUESTION? 22 FEET IS THE HEIGHT LIMIT IN THE BA- 2

DISTRICT. >> ISN'T THAT ABOUT THE SAME AS A TWO-STORY?

>> TWO STORY IS 35?

>> USUALLY, YES.

>> WELL, MY THOUGHTS ARE -- I HEAR ALL OF Y'ALL, AND I FEEL FOR YOU. I MEAN, I KNOW Y'ALL KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENING IN OUR DISTRICT, AND, I LEARNED SOMETHING VERY IMPORTANT WHEN I GOT ON THE BOARD FROM SHARICE, WHO ISN'T HERE TODAY. SHE SAID TO ME BECAUSE, OF COURSE, I HAVE CRIED TO TEM MANY TIMES ALL THE TREES THAT COME DOWN IN OUR DISTRICT, AND I STILL CRY EVERY TIME I SEE IT.

THAT IF YOU DON'T WANT SOMETHING TO BE BUILT NEXT TO YOU WHERE THERE'S TREES, THEN YOU PROBABLY SHOULD BUY THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY.

MY QUESTION WOULD BE IS WHY IF SOMEONE DIDN'T BUY THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY, BUT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE ONLY WAY TO KEEP SOMEBODY FROM DEVELOPING WHERE YOU ARE. AND SO, YEAH, I TOTALLY AGREE.

I DIDN'T GO ALL THE WAY DOWN YOUR ROAD.

I DIDN'T WANT TO DISTURB Y'ALL, BUT I DID THERE, AND I DID SEE IT, AND I CAN SEE IT'S JUST A BEAUTIFUL PLACE. AND I KNOW YOU ARE SO WANTING TO PRESERVE THAT AND KEEP IT THAT WAY.

I WILL SAY IT IS RIGHT THERE ON THE CORNER OF 17.

SOMEONE IS GOING TO BUY THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY IF MR. HUNT DOESN'T, AND SOMEONE IS GOING TO PUT SOMETHING THERE. SO WHERE -- WHAT DO YOU WANT -- IF IT WAS ME, WHO WOULD I WANT THERE, WHAT WOULD I WANT THERE? BECAUSE, AGAIN, IT IS GOING TO HAPPEN.

THERE'S AN ATTORNEYS OFFICE I THINK LIKE THREE PROPERTIES DOWN, SO THAT'S WHAT THAT AREA WAS DESIGNED FOR WAY BACK WHEN.

FROM WHAT I'VE HEARD IT IS SUPPOSED TO BE COMMERCIAL.

BUT I ACTUALLY KNOW MR. HUNT. I'VE GONE TO HIS -- HIS BUSINESS BEFORE. AND I WILL SAY JUST I KNOW -- I KNOW HE'S A GOOD PERSON, AND IFIF IT WAS ANYBODY -- IF THERE'S ANYBODY I WOULD WANT TO BE NEXT TO ME IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD, THAT WE BE THE KIND OF PERSON THAT I WANT. I KNOW THE ZONING COVENANT RESTRICTIONS, MIKE, ANOTHER QUESTION I HAVE FOR THAT -- MS. BAKER, I THINK, SAID SOMETHING ABOUT IF A SHOPPING CENTER CAME IN, THAT IT COULD BE -- IT COULD BE CHANGED OR IT WOULDN'T HOLDHOLD -- WHAT WAS THAT ABOUT?

>> WELL, THE COPY THAT I GLANCED OVER LAST WEEK INDICATED THAT SHOULD THERE BE SOME -- AND I'M

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THAT POINT. >> WHERE WOULD A SHOPPING CENTER GO?

>> ACCUMULATE A NUMBER OF THOSE PARCELS AND PERHAPS REZONE IT TO BE ABLE TO ALLOW SUCH A USE, THEN THAT WOULD -- IN READING IT, I THINK THE WORDING SAYS IT COULD THEN BE POSSIBLY RELEASED FROM THAT COVENANT.

>> IF I MAY -- THERE'S ACTUALLY NO LINK LIKE THAT IN THE COVENANT. THE COVENANT SPECIFICALLY SAYS IT IS BEING RESTRICTED BECAUSE EVERYONE WOULD PREFER -- AND THAT'S WHAT IT WOULD SAYING WAS THAT EVERYONE AGREES THIS IS THE CASE AND THEY DID NOT AGREE, WHICH IS WHY THEY DID NOT SIGN THE COVENANT.

IT DOES SAY EVERYONE AGREES USE OF THIS THAN OTHER BA2 ZONED PROPERTY WOULD BE AS A PROFESSIONAL BUILDING WITH A SMALLER FOOTPRINT THAT HAS A LOT THE WHOLE COVENANT SPECIFICALLY TOGS ABOUT GREEN SPACE AND SETBACKS AND THIS WOULD ALLOW FOR BETTER LANDSCAPING, GREEN SPACE, AND PRIVACY SETBACKS, AND THAT'S WHY THAT WAS ON THERE. THE CHANGE IN CIRCUMSTANCES IS THE ONLY WAY TO REMOVE A RESTRICTIVE CUVANT UNDER THE LAW THE ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD HAS TO CHANGE IN SUCH A MANNER THAT IT RENDERS THE THE INTENT OF THE COVENANT THWARTED. IT MEANS THE THE INTENT IS GONE. AND I DON'T THINK YOU CAN GET THERE FROM HERE. SO I DON'T SEE THAT BEING POSSIBLE. BUT AS AN ATTORNEY I CAN'T SAY THERE ISN'T SOME SITUATION THAT I HAVEN'T THOUGHT OF THAT COULD POSSIBLY HAPPEN.

THAT COULD HAPPEN, BUT IT IS EXTREMELY, EXTREMELY UNLIKELY.

LESS THAN -- LESS THAN ANY PERCENTAGE I CAN GIVE -- AS MUCH I CAN GET AS AN ATTORNEY WITHOUT GIVING A GUARANTEE, THIS IS THE BEST RESTRICTION.

THE BEST ESTRICTION IS ANYONE WHO LIVES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE PROPERTY OWNERS TO AGREE TO AMEND THE COVENANT.

>> OKAY, SO MR. HUNT, I KNOW AFTER A PLANNING COMMISSION HE ACTUALLY FROM WHAT I'VE BEEN TOLD ASKED FOR THIS TO BE DRAWN UP.

THAT'S A SHORT AMOUNT OF TIME. I KNOW HE DID THAT BECAUSE HE WAS TRYING TO FURTHER HELP THE NEIGHBORS FEEL AT EASE WITH HIS BUSINESS BEING THERE.

NO, THEY DON'T HAVE SIGN IT.

I HEARD THEM SAY THEY WOULD NEVER SIGN IT. I THINK IT WAS JUST DONE TO HELP THEM FEEL BETTER AND TO KNOW THAT HE REALLY HAS GOOD INTENTIONS OF NOT EVER SELLING TO SOMEONE ELSE THAT WOULD HAVE BAD INTENTIONS, WHATEVER THERE. HE WANTS HIS DAUGHTER TO TAKE IT OVER LATER. SO I KNOW AND I HAVE ASKED THE I GUESS THE FRONT PART OF THIS ROAD WOULD BE IS ACTUALLY PUBLIC AS THE BACK ROAD IS PRIVATE, IS THAT CORRECT?

>> YEAH, THE PUBLIC SECTION OF THE ROAD EXTENDS ABOUT THE DEPTH OF THE COMMERCIAL ZONING AND LAND USE. AND BEYOND THAT IT'S PRIVATE.

>> ALL RIGHT. SO THE WAY I'M SEEING IT IS HE'S ABLE TO DEVELOP RIGHT AT THE BORDER PRETTY MUCH OF THE NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY, SO THAT WOULD BE -- SO YOU EITHER DO A SMALLER FOOTPRINT FOR THE TWO- STORY AND HAVE IT CLOSER TO 17, OR YOU HAVE TO THE 2,500 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING OR TWO, 1,700 SQUARE FOOT BUILDINGS THAT WOULD BE RIGHT ON THE NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY.

AND I GUESS EITHER CAN BE DONE. SO IF MR. HUNT DOESN'T DO IT, THEN SOMEONE ELSE CAN DO IT. SO I FEEL LIKE AS A COMMISSIONER I -- IT IS MY JOB TO LISTEN TO THE PEOPLE BUT TO ALSO THINK ABOUT THE FUTURE BECAUSE THERE ARESY MANY DECISIONS WE'VE HAD TO DEAL WITH THAT WE CAN REALLY HAVE A SAY SO IN IT. SO AS FAR AS LOOKING OUT FOR

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WE CAN HAVE THEM AS TALL AS WE WANT. THERE'S DIFFERENT WAYS TO DO THAT. BUT AS FAR AS SAFETY, THIS IS RIGHT ON THE CORNER OF 17. I DON'T THINK THAT WILL -- I REALLY, TRULY DON'T THINK THAT WILL AFFECT THE SAFETY OF THE RESIDENTS, AND ACTUALLY I REALLY, TRULY BELIEVE THESE PEOPLE WOULD ACTUALLY BE LOOKING OUT FOR YOUR AREA, FOR YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE THAT'S JUST THE KIND OF PEOPLE THEY ARE.

SO, ANYWAY, THAT'S MY FEELINGS, AND I'LL -- I DON'T KNOW IF I WANT TO MAKE MOTION RIGHT NOW, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANYONE THAT HAD ANY

COMMENTS. >> ANY

OTHER COMMENTS? >> I'M HAPPY TO MAKE SOME COMMENTS IF YOU'D LIKE TO ME TO. SO THE INTENTION, I HAVE A LOT OF BA- 2 ZONING IN MY DISTRICT ALONG 218, AND THE THE INTENT OF BA-2 DISTRICT WAS ACTUALLY TO -- YOU CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, MIKE, WAS TO KIND OF TAKE LIKE HOMES THAT WERE BUILT IN COMMERCIAL AREAS AND BE ABLE TO CONVERT THOSE INTO A BUSINESS LOCATION.

AND, YOU KNOW, YOU PICTURE THEY HAVE SOME RIGHT DOWN HERE IN GREEN COVE, THE OLD HOUSEHOUSE BEEN CONVERTED INTO AN OFFICE BUILDING, WE HAVE SOME IN KEYSTONE HEIGHTS AS WELL. THAT'S REALLY THE INTENTION OF BA- 2 ZONING.

WE ACTUALLY DO HAVE A COPY OF THE PROPOSED COVENANT, AND IT DOES. IT TALKS ABOUT ALL SORTS OF PROFESSIONAL OFFICES THAT ARE NOT FREQUENTLY -- THERE ARE SMALL NUMBERS OF PEOPLE. SO THAT'S -- I THINK -- SO THAT'S THAT FOR BA- 2 ZONING.

ACTUALLY I DROVE IT TODAY BEFORE COMING INTO THE OFFICE HERE, AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT STRUCK ME IS I DON'T AGREE ABOUT THE COMPATIBILITY ISSUE. I THINK IT'S COMPATIBLE THE WAY THAT IT'S ZONED BECAUSE, ONE, I DON'T THINK YOU CAN USE ACROSS THE STREET BECAUSE IT'S NOT ACROSS THE STREET. IT'S ACROSS A FOUR- LANE DIVIDED HIGHWAY, U.S. HIGHWAY IN FACT. AND SO WHAT'S ON THE OTHER SIDE OF 17 IS NOT APPLICABLE ACROSS THE TWO. YOU CAN SEE THAT VERY EASILY ON THE NORTH SIDE OF 17 WHERE THERE'S THE BLACK CREEK BIKE BIKE TRAIL ON ONE SIDE AND, YOU KNOW, COMMERCIAL SHOPPING CENTERS ON THE OTHER.

SECONDLY, WHEN YOU'RE DRIVING FURTHER SOUTH FROM MR. HUNT'S PROPERTY THERE ARE HOUSES.

THERE ARE HOUSES THAT WERE BUILT THAT LOOK OLD AND MY UNDERSTANDING THEY ARE ZONED BA- 2 AND SO IF SOMEONE DIDN'T WANT TO LIVE THERE AT SOME POINT, THEY MADE IT INTO AN OFFICE BUILDING, THAT WOULD BE COMPATIBLE AND YOU GO ON FURTHER SOUTH AND THERE'S THE RACETRACK AND HOW THAT ENDED UP THERE I HAVE NO IDEA. SO AT ANY RATE YOU START GETTING INTO THE WINN- DIXIE SHOPPING CENTER. I FEEL REALLY BAD FOR YOU, MR. HUNT. BECAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE A VERY NICE MAN. THERE'S DEFINITELY A NEED FOR CPA SERVICES IN OUR COMMUNITIES. MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT NATIONWIDE WE ARE DOWN 25% IN THE ACCOUNTING WORLD, AND SO WE VALUE YOUR SERVICES AND THANK YOU FOR WORKING YOURYOUR CAREER IN CLAY COUNTY AND YOUR PROFESSIONAL SERVICES, AND I DON'T THINK YOU'RE A BAD GUY.

AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, UNFORTUNATELY BECAUSE YOU BOUGHT A PIECE OF PROPERTY AND YOU'RE TRYING TO DO WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO, YOU'VE KIND OF BEEN VILIFIED, AND DON'T LIKE THAT FOR YOU BECAUSE IT PITS NEIGHBORS AGAINST NEIGHBORS.

YOU HAVE PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS ESTABLISHED IN 1995 UNDER THE BURT HARRIS EXACT, AND SO YOU HAVE YOUR RIGHTS UNDER THE BA- 2 ZONING. AND SO I KIND OF TEND TO BE A PERSON TO WANT TO PROTECT YOUR RIGHTS AND ALSO TO KIND OF STICK WITH THE PLAN. I JUST -- I'VE BEEN A COMMISSIONER FOR FOUR YEARS NOW, AND WE GET A LOT OF PEOPLE THEY BUY A PROPERTY AND THEN WANT TO

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I JUST DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S COMPATIBLE TO ME.

I THINK IT'S COMPATIBLE WITH WHAT'S RIGHT THERE BESIDE IT ALREADY AS BA-2. THAT'S WHERE MY STRUGGLE

IS. >> ANY OTHER

COMMENTS? >> I CAN.

JUST TO KEEP THE CONVERSATION GOING.

I THINK ABOUT THE PROJECT THAT WAS IN MY DISTRICT JUST A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO, ACTUALLY IT WAS BACK IN SEPTEMBER WHERE A RESIDENT CAME AND ASKED US IFIF WE WOULD REZONE, AND IT WAS VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT HAS HAPPENED HERE TONIGHT.

THE RESIDEN CAME AND TOLD US THAT WHEN THEY PURCHASED THE PROPERTY THEY WERE UNDER AN EXPECTATION THAT THEY WERE ABLE TO DO CERTAIN THINGS WITH IT.

AND WHEN THEY DID A LITTLE BIT MORE DIGGING AFTER PURCHASE, THEY REALIZED THEY WERE MET WITH SOME PRETTY -- THEY WERE MET WITH SOME OBSTACLES, AND THEY WERE HOPING WE WOULD BE ABLE TO CHANGE THE ZONING SO THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO -- AND WE'RE TALK ABOUT BASICS LIKE BEING ABLE TO TAP INTO CCUA BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO LIVE AND USE SEPTIC. AND I REMEMBER THE CONVERSATION THEN BEING YOU GOT WHAT YOU PAID FOR, AND THAT SAME NIGHT WE WERE PRESENTED WITH A DOCUMENT THAT WE NEEDED TO REVIEW THAT SOMEHOW WOULD HAVE AUGMENTED OR CHANGED OUR PERCEPTION OF THE PROJECT, AND I REMEMBER US VERY SPECIFICALLY SAYING TWO THINGS. ONE, AS I MENTIONED YOU GOT WHAT YOU PAID FOR.

BUT, TWO, I REMEMBER THAT YOU'VE PROVIDED US WITH A RESTRICTIVE COVENANT, BUT AS AN ATTORNEY, I -- I CANNOT IN GOOD CONSCIENCE LOOK AT A DOCUMENT THAT'S BEEN PRESENTED TO ME WITHIN FOUR OR FIVE MINUTES AND THEN SAY THAT THIS IS ENOUGH. SO FOR ME -- AND YOU CAN APPRECIATE THIS -- MY LEGAL BACKGROUND DOES NOT PERMIT -- AND YOU KNOW A JUDGE WOULD RAILROAD US IF WE WERE TO PRESENT SOMETHING THAT HAS NOT BEEN VETTED OR REVIEWED AND ASK US TO PRESENT TO HIM FOR HIS CONSIDERATION OR HER CONSIDERATION.

SO WHILE I CAN APPRECIATE THIS BEING PRESENTED TONIGHT WHILE WE'RE HERE ON THE AIS, YOU SEEM LIKE A NICE GUY AND YOU HAVE PEOPLE VOUCHING FOR YOUR CHARACTER, WHICH IS AWESOME BECAUSE HE DIDN'T HAVE A PLAN TO. IF I'M GOING TO BE CONSISTENT WITH WHAT I DID IN MY OWN DISTRICT, THAT PROJECT FAILED.

I CAN'T MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS PROJECT UNDER THE SAME CIRCUMSTANCES.

AND SO THAT'S WHAT GIVES ME HEARTBURN ABOUT MOVING FORWARD WITH THE REQUEST.

>> THANK YOU. MR. BROWN, QUICK QUESTION FOR FUTURE REFERENCE FOR FUTURE PROJECTS.

HAS THE COUNTY SEEN RESTRICTIVE COVENANTS WITH ZONING? HAS THAT BEEN A THING?

>> NO, IT'S RARE.

>> THANK YOU. AND I'M NOT GOING TO REITERATE, COMMISSIONER COMPERE AND CONDON TOO MUCH. I THINK BA-2 IS COMPATIBLE, AND I'M REALLY HUNG UP ON THE FACT THAT THE SINGLE- LANE FULLY RESIDENTIAL ROAD, THAT'S TOUGH. BUT I DO ECHO COMMISSIONER COMPERE. MR. HUNT, YOU DO SOUND LIKE A VERY STAND UP CITIZEN IN OUR COMMUNITY, AND I'M HOPING THAT EVERYTHING WILL GO WELL WITH YOUR

BUSINESS. >> I JUST HAVE A COUPLE OF OBSERVATIONS, AND THAT'S I THINK, MR. HUNT, REGARDLESS OF TONIGHT'S OUTCOME MAY LOCATE HIS BUSINESS ON THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY. AND THAT ROAD IS GOING TO BE TRAVELED IRRESPECTIVE OF WHAT WE DO TONIGHT. SO THE SAFETY CONSIDERATION I THINK, YEAH, IT'S REAL. BUT IT'S NOT GOING TO BE MITIGATED BY THE DECISION WE MAKE TONIGHT.

SO THE QUESTION I THINK IS SIMPLE IF YOU WANT

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I'M NOT INSIDE MR. HUNT'S HEAD EXACTLY WHERE HE STANDS TONIGHT, BUT SOME OF THE ARGUMENTS ARE NOT REALLY VALID BECAUSE IT IS WHAT IT IS, AND IT'S ZONED PROPERLY FOR THE BUSINESS. IT'S JUST WHETHER YOU WANT A NICER BUSINESS OR A CRAMPED BUSINESS.

SO I FEEL STRONGLY BOTH WAYS. BUT I THINK THE OUTCOME COULD BE THERE'S GOING TO BE A CPA FIRM ON THIS CORNER REGARDLESSREGARD LESS WHAT WE DO TODAY.

>> SO PRETTY MUCH WE CAN SEE WHAT'S HAPPENED HERE.

AND I -- AGAIN, THERE'S GOING TO BE SOMETHING THERE.

I BELIEVE MR. HUNT CAN STILL HAVE AN OFFICE THERE.

AGAIN, IF IT WAS MY NEIGHBORHOOD, I WOULD WANT TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A BUFFER. THERE'S WOODS RIGHT THERE, WE COULD KEEP SOME WOODS RIGHT THERE BEFORE, YOU KNOW, GETTING TO THE NEIGHBORS THAT LIVE ON THERE, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY DON'T REALLY CARE ABOUT THAT. I MEAN, BECAUSE OTHERWISE THEY WOULD PROBABLY WANT TO SIGN THE COVENANT RESTRICTION. SO I -- SEEING THAT IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE I'M GOING TO BE ABLE TO GET ENOUGH VOTES TOTO THE FUTURE OF THE NEIGHBORS HAVING A BUFFER THERE BETWEEN AN 1,800 FOOT COMPARED TO A 2,500 SQUARE FOOTPRINT I GUESS MY MOTION WOULD BE TO DENY THIS ITEM.

>> WE HAVE A MOTION TO DENY.

>> SECOND.

>> WE HAVE A SECOND TO DENY THE MOTION ON ZONING REQUEST.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE, ANY

NAYS. >> POINT OF PRIVILEGE, MR. CHAIR, IF I MAY. TONIGHT THIS WAS MIKE BROWN'S LAST PRESENTATION IN FRONT OF US. HE IS RETIRING, GOING OFF INTO THE SUNSET. HOPEFULLY I'M NOT LETTING THE CAT OUT OF THE BAG, BUT I THINK THERE'S PROBABLY SOME CELEBRATION OF YOU PLANNED IN THE COMING FUTURE, BUT THE COMMISSIONERS ARE -- MOST OF US ARE ATTENDING THE FLORIDA ASSOCIATION OF COUNTY'S LEGISLATIVE CONFERENCE, SO I WANTED TO PERSONALLY TAKE A MINUTE TO TELL YOU THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE NOT JUST TO CLAY COUNTY BUT TO PUBLIC, TO LOCAL GOVERNMENT FOR YOUR WHOLE CAREER. WE WILL MISS YOU, AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> LET ME TAKE A POINT OF PRIVILEGE, AND I'M GOING TO DENY HIS

RETIREMENT. >> NO, I UNDERSTAND ABOUT THE CONFLICT AND THAT'S FINE. I APPRECIATE THOSE WORDS, AND IT'S BEEN AN HONOR TO SERVE THIS COMMISSION AND THESE CITIZENS.

I'M SURE THERE ARE SOME CITIZENS OUT THERE THAT ARE CELEBRATING BECAUSE PART OF MY JOB IS TELLING PEOPLE NO AT TIMES, BUT I THANK YOU ALL FOR THE SUPPORT YOU'VE GIVEN ME AND STAFF IN GENERAL. AND I WANT TO THANK HOWARD AND SHARICE FOR HIRING ME AND GIVING ME AN OPPORTUNITY TO WORK FOR THE

COUNTY. >> YOU LEAVE BIG SHOES TO

FILL. >> REAL QUICK, YOU'VE GOT SOME GOOD -- THERE'S GOOD STAFF, YOU KNOW THAT. JENNY WILL DO A GREAT JOB IN FILLING MY POSITION.

[20.  Final Public Hearing to consider COMP 24-0021 and ZON 24-0027. (District 5, Comm. Burke) (J. Bryla)]

>> ITEM NUMBER 20 I THINK WE'RE UP TO NOW. FINAL PUBLIC HEARING COMP PLAN CHANGE 24- 0021 AND ZONE 24-0027.

>> WE'RE GOING TO MISS MIKE VERY MUCH, AND I'VE BIP TRYING TO GET AS MUCH INFORMATION OUT OF HIM AS I CAN IN THESE FINAL DAYS.

I AM PRESENTING COMP 24- 0021 AND

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THE QUESTION IS TO CHANGE TO MATCH THE PROPERTIES TO THE EAST FROM AGRICULTURE TO AG TO RURAL RESIDENTIAL AND FROM AGRICULTURAL TO AGRICULTURE RESIDENTIAL AR. THE SITE OF THE SMALL LOT DEVELOPMENT TO THE NORTH OF THE PROPERTY.

SO IF YOU'LL LOOK ON THE THIRD SLIDE, YOU CAN SEE SEVERAL LOTS DIRECTLY NORTH OF THE PROPERTY, AND THOSE HAVE BEEN DIVIDED VIA THE AIRS PROCESS, SO THOSE ARE REQUIRED TO BE AT LEAST 5 ACRES, OF WHICH THEY ARE NOT.

THE APPLICANT WISHES TO MIMIC THE LANDS TO THE EAST OF THE PROPERTY AND CHANGE THE LAND USE TO RURAL RESIDENTIAL.

AND THE NEXT SLIDE SUGGESTS THE PROPOSED ZONING CHANGES AGAIN CONSISTENT WITH THE LANDS TO THE EAST. SO USES LIKE DARING, FORSISTRY, INTENSE AGRICULTURAL USAGE, BUT IT DOESN'T PROHIBIT REGULAR AG USES IN THE AR DISTRICT.

SO YOU COULD HAVE FARM ANIMALS AND GROW GARDENS AND DO SIMILAR LESS INTENSIVE USES. THE PLANNING COMMISSION DID HOLD A HEARING ON NOVEMBER 5TH AND RECOMMENDED APPROVAL 6-0 FOR BOTH ITEMS. SO UNANIMOUSLY APPROVED.

THE APPLICATION AND I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT IS DOING THIS BECAUSE SHE'D LIKE TO SPLIT 10 ACRES AND RETAIN THE BALANCE OF THE 4- ACRE PIECE. STAFF DOES RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF BOTH APPLICATIONS. I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT IS HERE TO ADDRESS ANY QUESTIONS OR

CONCERNS. >> HELLO.

MY NAME IS LAURA BENSON.

THANK YOU. AND THANK YOU ALL FOR LETTING ME SPEAK TONIGHT. BASICALLY I HAVE TO PREFACE THIS WITH I LOVE GREN COVE SPRINGS.

I KNOW THINGS ARE DEVELOPING, AND I'VE ACTUALLY PROTECTED THAT 37 ACRES. I PURCHASED IT ALMOST 20 YEARS AGO, AND I'VE HAD SO MANY PEOPLE WANTING TO PURCHASE IT AND ESPECIALLY WITH I THINK WITH THE THE INTENT AND IDEA TO DEVELOP IT.

AND LIKE THE LAST TIME I WAS HERE, I HEARD SO MANY PEOPLES STORIES, AND I'M ACTUALLY TRYING TO AVOID THAT BECAUSE I ACTUALLY -- I LOVE THAT PROPERTY.

I'M ALL ABOUT GOALS AND DREAMS, AND THAT ACTUALLY WAS -- IS A DREAM. IT'S CALLED THE LAND OF DIVINE INTERVENTION. I CAN TELL YOU A BEAUTIFUL, NEAR MIRACULOUS STORY ABOUT IT. ANYWAY, THE REASON THAT -- THE ONLY REASON THAT I'M ACTUALLY SELLING 10 ACRES IS BECAUSE I HAVE ANOTHER DREAM, AND I WANT TO ACCOMPLISH SOMETHING FOR MY FAMILY. AND SO THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO DO THIS. I ACTUALLY COULD HAVE ALREADY SOLD IT TO PEOPLE THAT DID NOT CARE WHAT IT WAS ZONED, WHICH KIND OF GIVES YOU AN IDEA THEY HAVE OTHER INTENTIONS FOR THE FUTURE POSSIBLY.

BECAUSE SINCE I DID HAVE FOR SALE SIGNS UP, I'VE LEARNED ALL KINDS OF THINGS BEHIND THATTHAT AND ALL THIS PROPERTY HAS BEEN SOLD, AND EVENTUALLY THEY'RE GOING TO TRY AND DO DEVELOPMENTS. I ALSO WAS INFORMED FROM PEOPLE THAT KNOW PEOPLE THAT BOUGHT THE LAND FOR THE OTHER PEOPLE, THAT THEY WOULD LOVE A DECOY ROAD ACCESS TO THAT. AND I DON'T REALLY WANT THAT, AND I DON'T WANT TO ROCK MY NEIGHBORS WORLDS, WHICH THEY DON'T WANT THAT. THAT'S WHY I'VE GONE THROUGH THIS PROCESS AND EXPENSE AND EVERYTHING BECAUSE I WANT TO DO IT RIGHT.

I DON'T WANT TO SELL TO PEOPLE THAT SAY OH, THAT'S FINE, THAT'S FINE BECAUSE THAT'S KIND OF FISHY, AND I DON'T WANT TO SELL IT TO SOMEONE WHO DOESN'T KNOW AND THEY BUY SOMETHING THEY CAN'T BUILD ON.

AND IT IS SUCH A BEAUTIFUL, BEAUTIFUL PIECE OF PROPERTY, AND I WANT, I GUESS, TO HAVE SOMEONE WHO WOULD LOVE IT THE WAY I WOULD AND COULD BUILD SOMETHING BEAUTIFUL FOR THEIR FAMILY AND NOT JUST COME IN AND RIP EVERYTHING DOWN. AND SO THAT IS ACTUALLY WHY

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I KNOW ACROSS 209 IT'S ZONED THAT, AND ACROSS DECOY IT'S ZONED -- PEOPLE HAVE HOUSES ON 5 ACRES OR LESS THAN 5 ACRES.

ACTUALLY RIGHT NOW I'VE BEEN HOPING BECAUSE I'VE BEEN PRAYING TO GOD TO SEND THE RIGHT BUYER OR BUYERS. AND I'M HOPING THAT IF THIS HAPPENS, THERE'S THIS WONDERFUL FAMILY WHO THEY'VE GOT A BEAUTIFUL REASON FOR WANTING THE 10 ACRES, AND IT'S SO THAT THEY CAN HAVE THEIR MOTHER AND FATHER THERE WITH THEM AND THE GRANDKIDS AND THE FAMILY.

AND, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT LIFE IS REALLY ALL ABOUT, AND I JUST -- I WOULD HATE TO SEE SOMEONE BUY IT THEN LATER SELL IT TO THE DEVELOPER FOR THAT ACCESS AND EVERYTHING JUST COME IN AND RIP ALL THE TREES DOWN.

AND, YOU KNOW, I KNOW LAST TIME EVEN AT THE CITIZENS ADVISORY THEY ALL AGREED WITH IT. BUT I KNOW LAST TIME TWO NEIGHBORS OR THREE NEIGHBORS WERE THERE, AND ONE OF THEM HAD SAID THIS IS ACTUALLY WHAT WE NEED. WE KNOW THERE'S GOING TO BE GROWTH, BUT ON THAT ROAD I WOULD RATHER SEE THAT THAN THE OTHER. AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE OTHER NEIGHBOR, SHE KNOWS THAT I'M ACTUALLY TRYING TO DO THIS TO PROTECT THEM AND THE LAND. TRYING TO THINK IF THERE'S ANYTHING I'M MISSING. BUT DO YOU ALL HAVE ANY -- ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME?

>> COMMISSIONER CONDON HAS A

QUESTION. >> I HAVE A QUESTION.

SO WHY ARE WE REZONING YOUR ENTIRE PARCEL INSTEAD OF JUST THE 10 ACRES YOU WANT TO SELL- OFF I GUESS INTO TWO

LOTS? >> YOU WANT TO SELL

TWO 5-ACRE. >> AND YOU WANT TO SELL THOSE LOTS RIGHT ON DECOY ROAD?

>> CORRECT. THAT WAY THEY EACH HAVE -- YES, BECAUSE IT'S A SQUARE, AND YOU'VE GOT DECOY AND 209, AND ON THE ONE SIDE YOU HAVE ONE NEIGHBOR. AND IF I TOOK TWO 5- ACRES, THEN I STILL HAVE A SQUARE WHERE I'VE GOT A CULVERT ON DECOY AND A CULVERT ON 209, ACTUALLY, TWO OF THEM.

AND I TAKE CARE OF AN 82-YEAR- OLD GENTLEMAN, AND I HAVE A MOBILE HOME OVER THERE WHERE I HAVE HIM AT.

AND THEN I HAVE A BIG BARN IN THERE, SO THAT KIND OF LEAVES -- THAT'S STILL PRIVATE, AND THEN THEY WOULD HAVE THEIR SPACE.

>> SO YOU HAVE TWO DEVELOPING UNITS ON YOUR

PROPERTY NOW? >> NO, I HAVE A BARN, AND I'VE GOT A MOBILE HOME.

>> AND YOUR HOUSE?

>> NO, THE MOBILE HOME IS THE

HOUSE. >> THE MOBILE HOME IS YOUR HOUSE, AND THEN YOUR BARN. AND IS THAT UNDERNEATH THE WORDS THAT SAY

SITE? >> THERE IS A MOBILE HOME ON THAT SITE. I DON'T BELIEVE IT'S THE APPLICANT'S HOME PROPERTY BUT SHE HAS A HOME ON

THERE. >> YOU DON'T LIVE

THERE? >> I LIVE ACROSS

THE STREET. >> ACROSS WHICH

STREET? >>

209. >> I HAVE -- THERE'S AN 82-YEAR- OLD GENTLEMAN THAT I TAKE CARE OF, SO I HAVE HIM THERE.

>> I SEE. OKAY, SO MY QUESTION IS STILL WHY ARE WE REZONING THE WHOLE PROPERTY IF YOU ONLY WANT TO USE 10 ACRES OF

IT. >> IT DOESN'T ACTUALLY HAVE TO BE, BUT I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION IT MIGHT BE EASIER BECAUSE ALL DOWN 209 YOU HAVE THAT, AND IT WOULD BE CONTIGUOUS AND THAT IT WOULD BE EASIER TO ZONE THE THIRD WHOLE PARCEL RATHER THAN JUST SAYING OKAY WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS, SO THEN YOU HAVE ALL OF THIS WITH THIS AND THEN THIS IS

SEPARATE. >> SO WHERE YOU LIVE OVER ON 209 THOSE ARE ALL 5- ACRE PARCELS --

>> IT'S RURAL RESIDENTIAL.

>> IT'S RURAL RESIDENTIAL.

>> AND COMMISSIONER, IF I MAY, SO MS. BENSON WANTED TO SPLIT-OFF THE WESTERN PORTION OF HER LOT, WHICH WOULD LEAVE A GAP OF LAND USE IN THE MIDDLE, AND THAT WOULD BE SPOT ZONING AND THAT'S NOT SOMETHING WE WOULD SUPPORT AS A STAFF.

>> BUT IF WE APPROVE HER REZONING IN THIS APPLICATION, SHE COULD BUILD SEVEN HOUSES THERE.

WHEN SHE MOVES THAT MOBILE HOME -- WHEN SHE MOVES THAT MOBILE HOME, YOU SAID HE'S

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>> I ACTUALLY PUT THAT THERE YEARS AGO BECAUSE I'M ALL ABOUT GOALS AND DREAMS AND I HAVEHAVE DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS I'M IN, AND I NEED HELP AT MY HOUSE BECAUSE I HAVE ANIMALS AND THAT, BUT I WORK LIKE TWO PLUS FULL- TIME JOBS SO HE'S THERE OR SOMEONE HAS TO BOO THERE BECAUSE I CAN'T DO IT ALL. SO THAT'S WHY I PUT THAT THERE KNOWING THAT I CAN'T DO IT ALL.

I WANT TO BUT I KNOW I CAN'T.

>> YOU HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO DO WHAT YOU WANT ON YOUR PROPERTY SO THAT'S NOT MY BUSINESS AT ALL. MY CONCERN IS ON AN AG ZONE PROPERTY YOU CAN PUT A MOBILE HOME, SO NONE OF THAT'S AN ISSUE. WHAT MY CONCERN IS REZONING YOUR WHOLE 35 ACRES, 30 SOME ODD -- 35 ACRES- ISH, A LITTLE MORE THAN THAT.

THAT CAN BE SEVEN LOTS, SO THAT'S SEVEN HOUSES, AND THAT'S -- MY QUESTION IS HOW IS THAT COMPATIBLE WITH -- AND THAT'S PROBABLY A QUESTION FOR JENNIE, BUT A COMPATIBILITY QUESTION WITH WHAT I'M LOOKING AT IS -- DID IT GO OFF? WE LOST

IT? >> AND YES, MA'AM, ALL OF THOSE PARCELS TO THE NORTH ARE LESS THAN 5 ACRES, OF WHICH THERE ARE FIVE.

>> THESE UP HERE. OKAY, AND WHAT ARE THOSE OVER HERE?

>> THOSE ARE CONSISTENT -- YOU MEAN ACREAGE?

>> NO, WHAT'S THE ZONING.

>> THEY'RE AR, WHICH IS WHAT THE APPLICANT

IS REQUESTING. >> NO, SHE'S ASKING FOR RR, FOR RURAL RESIDENTIAL.

>> FOR THE LAND USE. NO, ACTUALLY --

>> FOR THE ZONING.

>> YOU WANT TO JUST TO DO THE TWO 5-ACRE PARCELS I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT. BECAUSE THE ONLY REASON I'M SELLING ANY OF IT IS TO ACCOMPLISH THIS OTHER DREAM, AND, YOU KNOW, I DON'T -- OTHERWISE I WOULDN'T EVEN SELL IT TO BE HONEST WITH YOU BECAUSE I LOVE IT AND I DON'T WANT A DEVELOPER TO COME.

I KNOW ALL BEHIND THAT, ALL DOWN 209 THEY'VE BOUGHT THAT -- THE WEST SIDE.

AND WHAT THEY COULD BUY ON THE EAST SIDE.

AND, YOU KNOW, THERE'S RUMORS AND STUFF GOING AROUND THAT -- YOU KNOW, THAT ONE DAY THEY'RE GOING TO -- RIGHT NOW THEY CAN'T BECAUSE THERE'S NO INFRASTRUCTURE, BUT EVENTUALLY THAT'S WHAT THEY WANT TO DO, AND I'M ACTUALLY TRYING TO AVOID THAT BY REZONING THESE TWO 5- ACRE

PARCELS. >> OKAY, THANKS.

>> SO I MEAN, WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO, BUT IT WAS MY EASIER BECAUSE IT'S

CONTIGUOUS. >> ONLY OTHER QUESTION, JENNIE USED THE TERM THE WEST PART OF HER PROPERTY.

CAN YOU ORIENT ME, WHICH IS WHAT'S THE WEST PART OF THE PROPERTY? WHERE'S THE ACTUAL 5- ACRE, I THOUGHT SHE WANTED TO REZONE THIS

UP HERE. >> NO, THE WEST SIDE.

LIKE THE LEFT LINE.

>> LIKE THE VERY BACK OF THAT

PROPERTY. >> THE WAY YOU'RE LOOKING AT IT DECOY IS HERE AND 209 IS HERE AND IT'S A BIG SQUARE. SO THEY WOULD EACH HAVE DECOY ROAD ACCESS.

>> SO THEY'RE REALLY -- OKAY, GOT IT.

>> THAT WAY I STILL HAD MY SQUARE WHERE I'VE GOT MY CULVERTS AND THE BARN AND JOHNNY AND THEN THE OTHER TWO.

SO IT WOULD BE TO WHERE THEY EACH HAVE THE HARD ROAD ACCESS AND WOULD HAVE THEIR SPACE, AND IT'S NOT ALL CUT UP AND WEIRD.

>> OKAY, GOT IT. OKAY,

THANKS. >> AND THE COMMISSIONER, IT WOULD BE AR ZONING AND RURAL RESIDENTIAL LAND USE.

>> OKAY. BECAUSE AR LAND USE WOULD ONLY ALLOW ONE HOUSE PER 10 ACRES.

OKAY, THANKS.

>> ALL RIGHT, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE.

SORRY, PUBLIC HEARING. NEVER

MIND. >> OKAY, WE'RE BACK TO THE COMMISSION, I GUESS.

>> NO, WE HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING.

>> YOU'RE RIGHT, I DO. OPEN PUBLIC HEARING. I'VE GOT ONE CARD.

GARY CLARK. PASS. ANYONE ELSE WISH TO SPEAK ON THIS SUBJECT? SEEING NONE, CLOSE PUBLIC HEAR. NOW WE'RE BACK TO

COMMISSION. >> RIGHT BEFORE MY MOTION, I'D LIKE TO COMMEND YOU FOR HAVING THE FORESIGHT TO THINK

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>> ARE WE JUST DOING A COMP PLAN ON

THE ZONING? >> APPROVE ON THE COMP

PLAN? >> OKAY, COMP PLAN CHANGED FROM AGRICULTURE TO RURAL RESIDENTIAL. ANY OTHER COMMENTS, QUESTIONS,

CONCERNS? >> I HAVE A MOTION, DO I HAVE A

SECOND? >> I'LL

SECOND. >> I HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND.

ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, CONCERNS.

>> I'LL JUST PREFACE I'M GOING TO VOTE NO AND MY WHOLE NO VOTE IS THE 35 ACRES VERSUS THE PARCELS SHE WANTS TO

SELL. >> OKAY.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

PASSES 4-1. AND NEXT IS A ZONING CHANGE FROM AG TO AGRICULTURAL AR.

>> I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ZONING

CHANGE. >> I'LL SECOND.

>> HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND. ANY COMMENTS, QUESTIONS, CONCERNS? HEARING NONE ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE, ANY NAYS. PASS 4-1.

>> THANK YOU. HAPPY

THANKSGIVING. >> MAKE SURE YOU GET

[21.  Public Hearing for the purpose of acceptance of 16 deeds transferring property for the Greenway Trail/Live Oak Lane Project (C. Risinger/C. Grimm)]

>> I WILL DO THAT.

>> ITEM NUMBER 21 PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE PURPOSE OF ACCEPTANCE OF 16 DEEDS FOR THE GREENWAY TRAIL LIVE OAK LANE.

>> REAL ESTATE ACQUISITIONS MANAGER.

THIS ITEM IS FOR YOUR ACCEPTANCE OF 16 PROPERTIES SUPPORTING THE GREEN LANE TRAIL LIVE OAK LANE PROJECT. I BELIEVE THE PACKET HAS ALL THE DEEDS THERE FOR THE

INDIVIDUALS. >> WE HAVE 16 PARCELS, AND SOMEBODY ASKED ME WHETHER WE TOOK THE PROPERTY, AND THE ANSWER IS, NO, WE GOT PERMISSION FROM ALL 16 PROPERTY OWNERS TO SELL THE PROPERTY TO ENCOURAGE THE RIGHT-OF-WAY.

>> CORRECT.

>> ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? HEARING NONE, THERE'S A PUBLIC HEARING. SO I'LL PUT IT OUT TO PUBLIC.

I HAVE NO CARDS ON THIS ONE 21, WHICH IS ACCEPTANCE OF PROPERTY TO CONTINUE THE DEVELOPMENT OF GREENWAY TRAIL, LIVE OAK LANE. SEEING NONE, CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. BACK TO

COMMISSION. >> MOVE

APPROVAL. >>

SECOND. >> OKAY, A MOTION OF SECOND.

ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, CONCERNS.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE, ANY

[22.  Public Hearing on an Ordinance extending the current moratorium on applications filed on or after November 9, 2021, for land use amendments to the Clay County 2040 Comprehensive Plan or for rezoning of parcels that effectively increase the allowable residential densities within the Lake Asbury Master Plan Area (C. Grimm)]

WE DID 21. 22, PUBLIC HEARING ON AN ORDINANCE EXTENDING THE CURRENT MORATORIUM FOR LAND USE AMENDMENTS FOR CLAY COUNTY IN THE LAKE ASBURY MASTER PLAN.

>> THIS WAS A REQUEST BROUGHTBROUGHT BY COMMISSIONER BURKE AT THE LAST BOARD MEETING TO ADVERTISING AND PUT ON THE AGENDA.

IT WAS INITIALLY ENACTED IN 2021 AND HAS BEEN EXTENDED EACH YEAR DURING THE BOND OF TRANSPORTATION PROGRAM.

>> OKAY, THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING, SO THAT'S WHAT IT IS, A REQUEST TO EXTEND THE MORATORIUM, AND I HAVE SEVERAL CARDS I'M GOING TO OPEN TO PUBLIC HEARING. AND I'M GOING TO READ SOME OF THESE -- SOME PEOPLE HAVE ALREADY SPOKEN, SO IF YOU DON'T WANT TO SPEAK, THAT'S FINE. BUT I'LL STILL GIVE YOU A CHANCE TO SPEAK AGAIN.

JASON CLARK.

>> I'M A LIFELONG RESIDENT OF CLAY COUNTY.

THE GROWTH IS -- I CAN'T STAND IT. MY FAMILY JUST SOLD 500 ACRES BEHIND ME.

I AM A WATKINS AND THE WATKINS PROPERTY WAS SOLD.

AND THE DEVELOPMENT THAT IS GOING ON AROUND US, WE CANNOT -- FOR EXAMPLE, I KNOW I'VE GOT TOO MANY TRAINS OF THOUGHT. MY WIFE LEAVES EVERY MORNING

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SHE DON'T MAKE IT MOST MORNINGS.

WE WERE TOLD THE PROJECT WOULD BE DONE BY THANKSGIVING.

THANKSGIVING IS TWO DAYS. IT AIN'T GOING TO BE DONE.

THEY'VE LAID NO ASPHALT. WE ASK YOU GUYS PASS THIS MOTION WHERE YOU CONTINUE TO NOT ALLOW NEW NEW DEVELOPMENTS. WE DIDN'T FEEL THE SCHOOLING HERE WAS ADEQUATE ENOUGH TO SUSTAIN HIM AS FAR AS THE NUMBER OF STUDENTS.

WE'RE TRYING TO DETERMINE WHERE HE'S GOING TO GO TO MIDDLE SCHOOL. IT'S -- I'VE ASKED COMMISSIONER BURKE SEVERAL QUESTIONS. SHE'S PROBABLY TIRED OF ME TEXTING HER. I SPEAK FOR EVERYBODY I KNOW THAT LIVES ON WATKINS, WE ASK YOU GUYS CONTINUE NOT ALLOWING ANY NEW DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE OUR INFRASTRUCTURE CAN'T HANDLE IF.

YOU GO DOWN 209, MY UNDERSTANDING YOU'RE ABOUT TO SHUTDOWN 220, 209 BY WHAT I GUESS IS A TEN- LANE, WHERE WOULD YOU GO SPHWHERE WOULD YOU WANT RESIDENTS TO GO? I DRIVE DOWN SAND RIDGE, I DON'T RECOGNIZE IT. COW FARMS, THEY'RE GONE.

WE'VE PUT -- WE HAVE PUT MONEY OVER PEOPLE.

IT'S TIME YOU PUT PEOPLE OVER % PROFIT.

US AS RESIDENTS HAVE A RIGHT TO HAVE A COMFORTABLE WAY OF LIVING TO WHERE WE CAN COMMUTE TO WHERE WE KNOW OUR CHILDREN ARE SAFE.

I KNOW PEOPLE CAN DO WHATEVER THEY WANT WITH THEIR PROPERTY, BUT IT'S TIME THE PUBLIC WAS PUT OVER THE DEVELOPERS THAT ARE TRYING TO MAKE MONEYS OFF US. THEY'RE GOING TO ARGUE IN AN E-MAIL OUR HOME VALUES ARE GOING DOWN, WELL, WHAT ABOUT ALL THE HOMES SITTING EMPTY? GO LOOK AT THE NEW DEVELOPMENTS, THEY'RE EMPTY. INTEREST RATES ARE HIGH, THERE AREN'T A LOT OF JOBS IN CLAY COUNTY, WHERE ALL ALL THESE PEOPLE COMING FROM? THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

>> THANK YOU.

>> SHARON MANLY. DO YOU WANT TO SPEAK

AGAIN? >> THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK AGAIN. I'M TOTALLY FOR THE MORATORIUM TO CONTINUE. OUR DEVELOPMENT IN LAKE ASBURY IS HORRENDOUS. ANYTHING MORE THAT COMES IN IS JUST GOING TO BE EVEN WORSE.

I'VE BEEN OUT THERE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD FOR 35- PLUS YEARS, AND I'VE SEEN THINGS HAPPEN THAT, YOU KNOW, JUST TURNS MY STOMACH.

BUT I UNDERSTAND GROWTH IS GOING TO HAPPEN.

GROWTH SOMETIMES CAN BE GOOD. BUT IT'S CHAOS OUT THERE RIGHT NOW. TOOK ME QUITE A WHILE TO GET HERE. IT'S ONE REASON I CAME IN SO LATE BECAUSE I CAME DOWN SAND RIDGE AND A LITTLE GENTLEMAN OUT THERE WITH A STOP SIGN STOPPING ALL THE TRAFFIC WHILE THE WORKERS DID THEIR WORK. I KNOW THAT'S GOING TO END IN A LITTLE BIT THOUT THEY'RE STARTING ON 220 AND 209. Y'ALL GOT NEW NAMES I'M NOT USED TO.

BUT, PLEASE, THE MORATORIUM SHE'S PASSED HAS BEEN EFFECTIVE. AND THERE HAVE BEEN SOME NEW DEVELOPERS THAT HAVE NOT COME IN BECAUSE OF THIS MORATORIUM. LET'S SEE IF THAT CAN CONTINUE FOR JUST A LITTLE WHILE LONGER.

WE NEED IT. WE DESPERATELY NEED

IT. >> THANK YOU.

ROSE KNOWLES.

>> HI, MY NAME IS ROSE KNOWLES. I'M GLAD I CAME TO THIS MEETING. I'M LEARNING A LOT FROM YOU GUYS. THIS HAS BEEN REALLY INFORMATIVE. REMINDS ME OF THE DAYS STARTED 30 YEARS AGO. A LOT OF DIFFERENT FACES SINCE THEN. BACK WHEN WE USED TO DO A LOT OF 4A STUFF AND THINGS LIKE THAT AND BEING RECOGNIZED FOR THINGS. I REALLY LIKED THESE MEETINGS BACK THEN AND I'M REALLY ENJOYING THEM AGAIN.

I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS GENERAL REZONING CONCERNS.

WE ALL KNOW THE INFRASTRUCTURE IN OUR COUNTY HAS NOT CAUGHT UP TO THE CURRENT AND UPCOMING DEVELOPMENTS. BEFORE CONSIDERING CHANGING ZONING OF ANY AREA, WE NEED TO LOOK AT WHAT IS CURRENTLY AVAILABLE. FOR EXAMPLE, EXISTING PROPERTIES THAT CAN BE CONVERTED TO WHAT ANOTHER DEVELOPER -- ANOTHER DEVELOPER OR ANOTHER BUYER IS PROPOSING ACCORDING TO LOOP NET. I DON'T KNOW WHY I ENDED UP ON THAT WEBSITE, BUT I WAS LOOKING FOR.

HOLD ON. MY ALARM IS GOING OFF TO

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WE DON'T NEED TO REZONE. WE DON'T NEED TO DO SOMETHING ELSE WITH IT. THEY'RE ALREADY AVAILABLE TO US. I FOUND MANY EXISTING BUSINESSES ARE JUST LOOKING FOR BUYERS WITHOUT REQUIRING REZONING.

THEY JUST WANT SOMEBODY TO TAKE OVER SOMETHING THEY'VE ALREADY ESTABLISHED. I GUESS THEY'RE READY TO RETIRE, WHATEVER. THEY'RE READY TO JUST MOVE ON.

THOSE EXISTING AVAILABLE PROPERTIES REQUIRE -- DO NOT REQUIRE REZONING OUR AGRICULTURAL LAND. I'VE BEEN A RESIDENT IN CLAY COUNTY OVER 30 YEARS. AS MANY OF YOU WE CAN NOW MENTION SEVERAL PLACES NOW BEING OCCUPIED BY DIFFERENT BUSINESSES. YOU GO DOWN THE ROAD AND GO REMEMBER WHEN K- MART WAS THERE OR PICK AND SAVE WAS THERE, WE ALL DO THAT. BABCOCK THEY WERE CLOSING DOWN, THEY WERE N DOWNTOWN AND HERE THEY ARE WHERE WINN- DIXIE WAS. GO UP AND BRING MORE PEOPLE IN, GO TO THAT PLACE AND PUT MORE PEOPLE IN IT. THAT PARKING LOT IS EMPTY MOST OF THE TIME.

WHY ARE WE NOT ENCOURAGING POTENTIAL DEVELOPERS TO GO TO PLACES LIKE THAT IN OUR COUNTRY? I FEEL GENTRIFICATION IN THIS COUNTY IS MAKING IT HARDER TO LIVE HERE.

ACCORDING TO 2021 AMERICAN COMMUNITY SURVEY --

>> FINISH UP, PLEASE.

>> THIS IS ALSO ACCORDING TO THE LAST CENSUS TAKEN.

26. 2% OF THE RESIDENTS IN CLAY COUNTY WERE 60 YEARS AND OLDER.

THE MEDIAN AGE OF A CLAY COUNTY RESIDENT IS 40. 9 YEARS OLD. AS YOU KNOW, THESE FIXED INCOMES CAN'T GO UP LIKE OUR TAXES ARE. DO WE REALLY NEED TO PUT DOWN MORE CONCRETE? ONCE THAT CONCRETE IS LAID DOWN, THE GRASS DOESN'T GROW THERE ANYMORE. I'M ALMOST DONE. BEFORE CONSIDERING CHANGING ZONING OR LAND USE, CONSIDER PROPERTIES THAT ARE ALREADY THERE IS WHAT I'M ASKING THAT CAN BE PURCHASED OR LEASED. IF ANYONE'S TRULY INTERESTED IN HELPING OUR COUNTY AS A COMMISSIONER, WHEN THESE BUYERS OR DEVELOPERS COME TO YOU AND WANT TO MEET WITH YOU AND CONVINCE YOU TO CHANGE SOMETHING, SHOW THEM WHAT'S ALREADY AVAILABLE.

I'M SIMPLY ASKING YOU TO HANDLE THE GROWTH RESPONSIBLY.

>> THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER, YOU'RE

NEXT. >> I'M ROOSTER KNOWLES, 28 ROSE ROAD. A LOT OF THE STUFF I'M LEARNING. Y'ALL BROUGHT UP A COUPLE OF POINTS ON MR. HUNT. I THOUGHT THAT'S A PRETTY GOOD IDEA. HE'S TRYING TO WORK FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND I'M NOT TRYING TO OFFEND ANYBODY.

WE JUST HAD 214 HOUSES TRY TO BE SHOVED DOWN ON US, AND THEY DIDN'T CARE WHAT WE THOUGHT.

THAT GENTLEMAN IS ASKING THEM AND TRYING TO WORK THINGS. HE'S GOING TO BUILD THERE OR I BELIEVE SOMEBODY'S GOING TO BUILD THERE. THE DIFFERENCE WEAN 27 FOOT HIGH AND 35 FOOT HOOT. I'D LIKE TO SEE SOME COMPROMISE THERE OR SOMETHING. THE ZONING RESTRICTIONS THAT YOU TALKED ABOUT, I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT WAS GOOD POINTS, BUT AT LEAST HE'S TRYING TO WORK WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD. WE HAVE A LOT OF PROPERTY THAT'S UP BEING DEVELOPED AND ALL. THINGS ARE POSSIBLY FIXING TO REALLY TAKE OFF FINANCIALLY OR BUSINESS WISE. BUT RIGHT NOW IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA IF YOU CHECK IN TO REAL ESTATE AND ALL, WE'VE GOT A LOT OF LAND, PEOPLE ARE LEAVING OUT OF FLORIDA BECAUSE OF INSURANCE, ALL THAT STUFF. THEY DIDN'T REALIZE WHEN THEY COME RUSHING DOWN HERE -- BECAUSE WE DO HAVE A BEAUTIFUL STATE.

CLAY COUNTY IS A BEAUTIFUL PLACE.

I LIKE THIN NEIGHBORS. WE DON'T NEED A WHOLE LOT MORE PEOPLE IN IF I CAN HELP IT.

WHAT WE DON'T WANT IS DO ALL THIS BUILDING AND SOME OFOF ALREADY BEEN YEARS AGO AND ALL OF A SUDDEN THINGS COOL OFF, AND NOW WE'VE GOT HOODLUMS

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I LIKE KEEPING IT, JUST THE MORATORIUM ON IT. AND WE JUST NEED TO BE CAUTIOUS ABOUT HOW FAST WE MOVE.

WE'RE CHANGING ALL THIS JUST LIKE EVERYBODY SES THE TRAFFIC, THAT'S PART OF THE GROWING PAINS. I JUST HATE TO SEE US BE A COUNTY THAT LOOKS LIKE EVERYTHING IS BLOWN UP AND GONE BECAUSE THINGS COOLED OFF A LITTLE BIT, ECONOMY WENT DIFFERENT.

THANK YOU.

>> BILL SHAWNBERGER.

>> AT 985 LIKE ASBURY DRIVE. I'VE ATTENDED THESE MEETINGS BEFORE.

THIS IS THE FIRST TIME SPEAKING.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE MOVED OUT TO THE LAKE LAKE ASBURY AREA ALMOST 20 YEARS AGO THIS YEAR FROM ATLANTIC BEACH. AND WE LIVED IN A GATED COMMUNITY OVER THERE THAT HAD, QUOTE, BIDDING AND SPECIFIC ZONING. SEVERAL DIFFERENT AREAS WITHIN THAT COMMUNITY WERE REZONED, AND ESPECIALLY ON THE SAME BLOCK I LIVED IN, THEY CHANGED THE BUILDING FROM A MINIMUM OF 3,000 SQUARE FEET TO 2,200 SQUARE FEET. AND IT WAS 80% DEVELOPED BEFORE THEY DID THAT. SO WHEN WE SAW THE COMMUNITY OUT HERE IN LAKE ASBURY, ONE, WE LOVE THE AREA. WE WERE SPENDING A LOT OF TIME OUT AT THE LAKE AND SAID, WOW, THIS IS GREAT. WHAT A WONDERFUL AREA TO MOVE INTO. IT'S ALREADY BIMT UP.

IT'S OLDER HOMES, THAT'S OKAY. I CAME TO DALLAS BEFORE WE MOVED TO JACKSONVILLE 35 YEARS AGO, SO I'M USED TO DEVELOPMENT. I KNEW WHEN WE MOVED TO OPEN LAND, DEVELOPMENT WAS GOING TO CUR.

IN MY SPECIFIC NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE WE MOVED, I FELT SECURE. TO MY SURPRISE LAST YEAR ASBURY HAMMOCK STARTS CLEARING OUT THE LAND. THAT HAPPENED BEFORE ANYBODY WAS HERE, BUT WHEN I LOOKED AT THE COMMUNITY THERE WAS A PLAN. NEXT THING YOU KNOW THERE WAS A DENSITY OF 85 HOUSES IN 37 ACRES COMING RIGHT INTO THE MAIN ENTRANCE INTO THE LAKE ASBURY COMMUNITY, BUT IT DOES BORDER A MAIN HIGHWAY, WHICH IS HENLEY ROAD. SO NOW WE'VE GOT ANOTHER DEVELOPMENT THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO DO RIGHT SMACK IN THE MIDDLE OF THE COMMUNITY RIGHT ON LAKE LARK THAT IT'S AN ISLAND. THERE'S ONLY ONE ROAD GOING THAT YOU THIS COMMUNITY RIGHT NOW AND THAT'S ON LAKE LAKE ASBURY DRIVE.

IF THEY GO OVER THEIR EXISTING ZONING, THE ONLY ACCESS THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO CREATE IS OUT TO SEMINOLE ROAD OR EAGLE POINT ROAD. PART OF THE REASON I LOVE IT IS WE WALK ALL THE TIME. WE CAN RIDE 20 MILES IN THAT COMMUNITY ON BIKES. THEY INCREASE THE ZONING IN THAT AREA AND ALL OF A SUDDEN THAT TRAFFIC COMES INTO OUR COMMUNITY, WHAT HAPPENS TO THE SAFETY OF WALKING ON THE STREETS? ARE THEY GOING TO BUILD SIDEWALKS THROUGH THE WHOLE COMMUNITY SO WE HAVE A PLACE TO WALK OR RIDE OUR BIKES OR FOR THE KIDS TO GO? THESE ARE THE KIND OF THINGS THAT HAVE TO BE PLANNED. WHEN YOU LOOK AT AN ISLAND RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE, PUTTING IT IN THE MIDDLE OF A COMMUNITY AND SAYING WE'RE GOING TO REZONE IT, THAT'S NOT TAKING THE COMMUNITY'S INTEREST TO HEART. YOOHELP YOU'LL EXTEND THIS MORATORIUM TO, ONE, MAKE SURE THE DEVELOPMENTS ARE CONSIST. WHEN YOU'VE GOT HUGE ACREAGE OUT THERE, YOU EXPECT BIG DEVELOPMENTS. RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE COMMUNITY, WE NEED YOUR HELP.

AND I APPRECIATE YOU GIVING ME THE OPPORTUNITY TODAY, AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU, MARK. ON THIS ISSUE WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS A MORATORIUM, AND THE MORATORIUM IS JUST TAKING SOMETHING BAD AND GETTING WORSE. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO KEEP THAT PORATORIUM IN PLACE. YOU'VE SEEN EVERYWHERE IN THE COUNTY WE HAVE SIMILAR SITUATIONS IN OUR AREA, LAKE LAKE

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WE HAVE THE POTENTIAL TO KEEP IT AND KEEP THE CHARACTER IN OUR COMMUNITY.

WISH WE HAD CPAS THAT WERE AROUND, BUT I REALLY APPRECIATE THE DISCUSSION THAT THE COMMISSIONERS HAD AND REALLY THINKING ABOUT ALLALL FACTS, THE ZONING PRECEDENCE, THINGS LIKE THAT.

BECAUSE IN THE PAST WE'VE SEEN ZONING CHANGES THAT WERE MADE THAT WERE VERY MYOPIC AND HAD TREMENDOUS CONSEQUENCES.

THE LAKE LAKE ASBURY MASTER PLAN PRETTY MUCH HAS BEEN WASHED AWAY. FOR EXAMPLE, THE VILLAGE CENTERS.

THE CONCEPT OF VILLAGE CENTERS WAS COMPLETELY DISMANTLED. WE CAN HAVE DEVELOPMENT IN A CONTROLLED FASHION THAT WE'RE NOT STRESSING THE CURRENT RESIDENTS AND NEGLECTING THE CURRENT RESIDENTS AND THEIR NEEDS AND THE COLLAPSING INFRASTRUCTURE. AND WE CAN ENJOY SOME GROWTH AND SOME NEIGHBORS COMING INTO THE COMMUNITY. WE -- TO TAKE THIS MORATORIUM AND PUT IT AWAY BASICALLY PUTS A NAIL IN THE COFFIN.

AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE WORTHWHILE.

THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. AUSTIN NICHOLAS.

>> AUSTIN NICHOLAS, 6747 JACKSONVILLE, FLORIDA, REPRESENTING THE FLORIDA BUILDERS ASSOCIATION.

WE ARE OPPOSED TO EXTENDING THIS MORATORIUM FOR ANOTHER YEAR IN LAKE ASBURY.

WE'RE NOW ENTERING INTO A POTENTIAL ERR FOURTH YEAR OF THE MORATORIUM. THIS MORATORIUM TAKES ALL THE POWER OUT OF COMMISSIONERS HANDS AND THE COMMUNITY.

WE BELIEVE THE MARKETS, THE SURROUNDING RESIDENTS, AND YOU AS ELECTED OFFICIALS SHOULD PROVIDE INPUT AND DECIDE ON A CASE BY CASE AS HAPPENED IN THESE PUBLIC HEARINGS, NOT A ONE SIZE FITS ALL. HOWEVER AFTER SPEAKING TO ALL OF YOU AND LISTENING TO THE CONSTITUENTS, WE'D OFFER A COMPROMISE TO DO A SIX- MONTH MORATORIUM, WHICH WOULD ON INCREASE RESIDENTIAL RESIDENCES IN LAKE LAKE ASBURY AS OPPOSED TO ONE YEAR. THIS EVIDENCED BY $130 MILLION ON PROJECTS BEING DEPLOYED IN CLAY COUNTY. AS ALWAYS WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE TO CLAY COUNTY AND CITIZENS.

AND I WANTED TO CONGRATULATE MIKE ALSO ON HIS RETIREMENT AS WELL AS HIS REPLACEMENT.

WE LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH

HER. >> MR.

KLINSMAN. >> RICH LINSMAN.

I'VE GOT TO SAY THIS YEAR I'M OVER 37 YEARS IN MY HOUSE. SO TECHNICALLY I'VE LIVED HERE MORE THAN HALF MY LIFE NOW. AND THE REASON I CAME OUT IS TO SUPPORT OUR COMMISSIONER BECAUSE ALTHOUGH THERE ARE MANY, MANY GOOD PEOPLE WHO WANT TO DO THE RIGHT THING, COMMISSIONER BURKE IS STANDING UP AND LEADING THE WAY. AND I WANT TO BE BEHIND HER ON THIS COMPLETELY. AS FAR AS THE OLD CAMEL THERE WANTING TO STICK HIS NOSE UNDER THE TENT, A SIX- MONTH MORATORIUM IS JUST ANOTHER PLOY BY THESETHESE BAGGERS WHO WANT TO CONTINUE TO RUIN THIS COUNTY. BECAUSE OF THEIR BUILDING EXCESS LIFE FOR MANY, MANY RESIDENTS TRYING TO GET FROM POINT A TO POINT B HAS BEEN STYMIED WITH ALL THIS RIDICULOUS ROADWORK, POOR PLANNING, AND EXTENDED TIME.

AND NOW IT'S GOT TO BE EVEN WORSE WHEN THESE MORONS COME IN AND START TEARING UP 220.

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT STOPPED. AND THE BIGGEST STUPIDEST REASON FOR PUTTING THIS IN IS THAT SOME GOVERNMENT ENTITY HAS GIVEN THEM THE MONEY TO DO IT, BUT THEY HAVE TO SPEND IT WITHIN A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME. WELL, YOU KNOW, THIS IS HOW

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SO DON'T TAKE MONEY FROM THE GOVERNMENT TO DO UNNECESSARY PROJECTS. THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE IN MY AREA THAT DO NOT WANT THIS 220 TORN UP. THEY'VE ALREADY MADE A MESS OF SO MANY OTHER THINGS. THEY SHOULD NOT BE TRUSTED TO DO ANYTHING RIGHT. AND THE BEST THING THAT CAN COME OUT OF IT IS TO STOP THESE DEVELOPERS WHEN THEY SEE OR TRY TO ATTRACT NEW PEOPLE IN, AND THE NEW PEOPLE SEE ALL OF THIS BACKED UP TRAFFIC. THEY'LL GO AWAY. MAYBE THEY'LL BE HAPPY DOWN THERE. I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE PANDER TO THESE DEMONS. THEY COME IN HERE.

THEY TAKE, TAKE, TAKE, AND THEN WE, THE CURRENT TAXPAYERS ARE STUCK WITH ALL THE NEW INFRASTRUCTURE PAYMENTS TO SCHOOLS, THE NEW FIREHOUSES, MORE POLICE PROTECTION, ALL BECAUSE OF THEIR GREED.

AND IT REALLY SHOULD BE LOOKED AT CAREFULLY AND STOPPED -- STOPPED DEAD IN ITS TRACKS.

THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU.

CHRISTINE. >> 1787 COUNTY ROAD 209 B.

I SUPPORT THE EXTENSION OF THE CURRENT MORATORIUM.

TOO MUCH DEVELOPMENT WAS APPROVED WITHOUT ANY PLAN IN PLACE FOR THE REQUIRED INFRASTRUCTURE.

CURRENT INFRASTRUCTURE IS NOT READY FOR MORE DEVELOPMENT. THE ROADS AND SCHOOLS CAN'T EVEN HANDLE CURRENT DEMAND. LAKE ASBURY IS RIDDLED WITH TOURS AND DETOURS. THE CURRENT RESIDENTS ARE TIRED OF IT. WE ALL MOVED OUT HERE TO GET AWAY FROM EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE CREATING. LOOK AT THE TURNOUT FROM THE POTKENS ROAD PROJECT AS EVIDENCE.

NONE OF THEM HAVE OUR BEST INTERESTS AT HEART.

COUNTY STAFF HAS DONE A POOR JOB OF PRIORITIZING AND SCHEDULING INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS.

WE CONTINUE TO START MORE PROJECTS EVEN THOUGH NONE OF THEM ARE ACTUALLY COMPLETED.

THIS HAS CREATED A HUGE SAFETY CONCERN ESPECIALLY FOR THE YOUNG DRIVERS THAT MUST TRAVEL THROUGH THIS CHAOS TO AND FROM CLAY HIGH SCHOOL DAILY. ADDITIONALLY, TAXPAYERS ARE FORCED TO FUND RETENTION PONDS, TURNING LANES DUE TO COUNTY STAFF APPROVING SUBPAR PLANS.

HOW MANY MORE OF THESE INSTANCES ARE GOING TO POP UP. HOW MANY MORE PROPERTIES GOING TO BE DESTROYED BY FLOODING, POORLY DESIGNED ROADS OR TAKEN BY IMMINENT DOMAIN.

NONE OF US ASKED FOR THIS. MAYBE WE SHOULD WAIT FOR THE FIRST COAST EXPRESSWAY COMPLETION BEFORE WE START DISCUSSING DENSITY AGAIN. NONE OF THIS ADDRESSES THE FACT RUSSELL ROAD OR 209 CAN'T HANDLE CURRENT DEMAND.

THE ONLY THING THIS AREA HAS AN ABUNDANCE OF ARE CAR WASHES. IN CLOSING I SUPPORT THE EXTENSION OF THE CURRENT MORATORIUM AND ASK YOU ALL CURRENT COMMISSIONERS TO PUT THE SAFETY OF TAX PAYING RESIDENTS BEFORE THE PROFITS OF

DEVELOPERS. >> THANK YOU. YES, SIR, DO YOU HAVE A CARD? BRING IT ON UP.

>> MATTHEW, 1749 GREEN COVE SPRINGS, FLORIDA. I WANT TO SAY I FULLY SUPPORT MAINTAINING THE MORATORIUM IN EFFECT. AS YOU KNOW THE RESIDENTS, WE'RE PRETTY MUCH TIRED OF IT. WE'RE TIRED OF THE DEVELOPERS. WE'RE TIRED OF THEIR TELLING YOU IN E-MAILS THAT, WELL, YOU KNOW, MORE HOMES IS GOING TO HELP ALL OF THIS.

THAT'S JUST HOGWASH. IT'S NOT HELPING ANY OF US CITIZENS. THE ONLY PEOPLE BEING HELPED BY THESE DENSITY BONUSES THAT COME INTO EFFECT ARE THE DEVELOPERS. THOSE INCENTIVES WERE PUT INTO THE CODES AND PLANS DECADES AND DECADES AGO WHEN CLAY COUNTY WAS NOTHING BUT FARMLAND.

THOSE INCENTIVES AND BONUSESBONUSES NO LONGER NEEDED AT ALL. I MEAN IF A DEVELOPER CAN'T COME IN AND BUILD ON WHAT THE ZONING ALLOWS CURRENTLY, THEY NEED TO MOVE SOMEWHERE ELSE.

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>> THANK YOU. YES, MA'AM?

>> HELLO, MY NAME IS HELENA.

AGAIN, I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO ALL OF Y'ALL LISTENING TO ALL OF US. WELCOME TO OUR NEW COMMISSIONER. AND, YOU KNOW, THE MORATORIUM IS A VERY SENSITIVE SUBJECT. I DO HEAR BOTH SIDES, YOU KNOW, AS A REALTOR, AS SOMEBODY THAT LIVES OUT THERE.

AND ROLLING HILLS, OFF OF SANDRIDGE, THE MOR ATORIUM, THE DENSITY OUT THERE WE DO NOT WANT INCREASED.

ALL THOSE DOTTED LINES IN THE ASBURY MASTER PLAN, AS Y'ALL ARE DOING THE ROADS AND TRYING TO GET THIS STUFF DONE, IT'S A NIGHTMARE AND ALL OF Y'ALL TRYING TO ENDURE IT. I DO HEAR THE COMPONENT OF THE COMMERCIAL THAT WE NEED OUT THERE.

AND SO TRYING TO FIND THAT BALANCE OF HOW DO WE GET THE COMMERCIAL, HOW DO WE NOT ADD A HIGHER DENSITY AMOUNT OF HOMES OR TOWNHOMES, APARTMENTS, DIFFERENT THINGS THAT ARE GOING TO ADD MORE CARS TO THE AREA, AND HOW DO WE TAKE CARE OF EVERYBODY AND BALANCE THAT? SO Y'ALL DO HAVE A LOT ON YOUR PLATE TO EVALUATE AND TRY AND FIGURE OUT, BUT WE DEFINITELY NEED THOSE ROADS AND BACK ROADS, THOSE DOTTED LINES TO GET THE BACK OF THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS OUT THE BACK OF THOSE COMMUNITIES THAT ARE FUTURE PLANS TO TAKE THAT BURDEN OFF OF SANDRIDGE.

AND ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO SLOW IT DOWN AT SOME POINT AND ALSO RESPECT THE COMMERCIAL ASPECT.

I HAVE HEARD FROM PEOPLE THAT LIVE OFF 218 THAT HAVE RESIDENTIAL LAND THEY WOULD LOVE TO BE ABLE TO REZONE TO COMMERCIAL.

I KNOW THAT IS IMPORTANT TO THEM FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT, AND THE MORATORIUM THAT INADVERTENTLY SHUTOFF SOME OF THE COMMERCIAL.

I HEAR WHAT SOME OF THE RESIDENTS ARE SAYING ABOUT COMMERCIAL AND OTHER PLACES.

THE COMMERCIAL BUSINESSES NEED TO ROOFTOPS RIGHT THERE IN LAKE ASBURY. SO WE NEED THE COMMERCIAL OUT THERE. WE HAVE TO GO OUT TO OTHER PLACES.

ANYTHING Y'ALL CAN DO TO FIGURE OUT THIS BALANCE, BUT JUST KNOW THIS TRAFFIC IS A NIGHTMARE. SO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR -- EVERYTHING Y'ALL DO. WE KNOW IT'S NOT EASY SITTING UP THERE, SO THANK

YOU. >> I HAVE NO FURTHER CARDS.

YES, SIR? HAVE YOU FILLED OUT A

CARD YET? >> YES, I DID FOR

20. >> HE WROTE THE WRONG NUMBER ON IT. 20 WAS AG. FIRST THING I WANT TO TALK ABOUT IS THE LAKE ASBURY MASTER PLAN. IT WAS ADOPTED IN 2006 AND REALLY DESTROYED THE WHOLE ATMOSPHERE OF LAKE LAKE ASBURY. IT TOOK AWAY THE AGRICULTURAL ZONE. WE DON'T HAVE AGCULTURAL ZONING. 200212 ACRES, IT WAS ZONED AGRICULTURE. I LIVE OFF OF 209B.

IT WAS TAKEN AWAY AND WITHOUT THE PEOPLE KNOWING IT, SO THE MORATORIUM, THOUGH, HAS DONE NOTHING AS FAR AS IN REALLY REDUCING THE NUMBERS IS REDUCE THE DENSITY, BUT IT REALLY NEEDS MORE TEETH. NOW, THERE'S TWO THINGS.

MORATORIUM LIKE I THINK THE LAST LADY WAS TALKING ABOUT DOES NOT ALLOW THERE COMMERCIAL REZONING. SO IF YOU WANT TO TRY TO REZONE INTO COMMERCIAL, YOU CAN'T DO IT IN LAKE LAKE ASBURY BECAUSE ALL THESE DEVELOPMENTS WERE ALREADY ZONED ACCORDING TO 2006 LAMP SO THAT'S WHEN WE STARTED TRYING TO DO LAKE ASBURY VILLAGE CENTER.

IT'S NOT WORKED AT ALL BECAUSE ALL THE PROPERTIES ALREADY TAKEN BY THE DEVELOPERS, THEY DON'T WANT TO USE THAT BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO COST THEM MORE MONEY. THEY'RE LOOKING AT WHAT'S THE CHEAPEST FOR THEM TO BUILD HOMES ON. SO WE WASTED MONEY WITH OUR RESOURCES JUST TRYING TO PLAN FOR THAT.

IF WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS MORATORIUM, IT NEEDS TO HAVE BETTER TEETH, RESTRUCTURED TO ALLOW SOME COMMERCIAL ZONING, LIKE SHE WAS TALKING ABOUT ON 218. WE DO NEED THAT, BUT WE ALSO NEED MORE TEETH IN STOPPING THE DEVELOPERS SUCH AS WHAT'S

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WE CAN'T STOP IT AT THIS POINT.

WE'VE LET IT GO TOO FAR. THE LAKE LAKE ASBURY MASTER PLAN SAID THERE WERE 228 UNITS ALLOWED.

NOW, THE NEW ONE RECENTLY GOT JUMPED IT BY 2,109 UNITS ALLOW.

EXPLAIN TO ME HOW THAT HAPPENED.

WE SHOULDN'T HAVE THIS. WE'RE ADDING UNITS AND THE MORATORIUM'S NOT EVEN SUPPOSED TO ALLOW THAT. SO WHY DID IT GO FROM ONE 25 TO 23 WHEN I DOWNLOADED THE MASTER PLAN TO THE ONE I JUST RECEIVED NOVEMBER 1ST HAS AN INCREASE OF 1,209 HOMES ALLOWED. AS COMMISSIONERS YOU HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY AS ALL OF US TO MAKE SURE WE STOP THIS. THANK

YOU. >> I HAVE NO FURTHER CARDS.

I DON'T SEE ANYBODY STANDING UP.

GOING TO CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING. WE DID THIS MAXIMUM RESIDENTIAL STUDY SEVERAL MONTHS AGO, SO I THINK THERE IS AN ANSWER, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS TONIGHT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.

BUT, ANYWAY, IF YOU GET ONLINE AND ASK CLAY, I THINK WE HAVE THE

ANSWER TO THAT. >> BETH, SHE HAS AN ANSWER TO THAT. IS IT OKAY IF SHE COMES UP AND TELLS US WHY THERE'S MORE

HOMES -- >> NO, WE DID THE ANALYSIS.

>> I'LL GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY OF THE CAP GOING BACK TO THE COMP PLAN WHEN THE LAKE LAKE ASBURY MASTER PLAN WAS ADOPTED.

THERE WAS A CAP PUT ON IT AND IT WAS PLANNED TO BE MANY, MANY HOMES THOUSANDS OF HOMES THROUGH 2040, 50, 60, BEYOND. AT THE TIME THEY GOT ALL THAT ALLOCATED WITH THE STATE, THE STATE SAID WE DON'T NEED THAT MANY HOMES, SO WE WANT YOU TO PUT A CAP ON IT.

SO FOR THE 2015 COMP PLAN THEY PUT A CAP ON IT.

WHEN THEY DID THE ANALYSIS FOR THE 2025 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN LOOKING AT THAT'S TEN MORE YEARS OF DEVELOPMENT, AND THEY THOUGHT THERE WOULD BE DEVELOPMENT DURING THOSE TEN YEARS, SO UNFORTUNATELY WE HAD THE SLOW DOWN, SO WE DIDN'T HAVE THE DEVELOPMENT.

SO THEY DID A STUDY OF HOW MUCH WAS GOING TO BE NEEDED OF THOSE ALREADY ENTITLED LOTS IN LAKE LAKE ASBURY, AND THEY CAME UP WITH THE NUMBER 21, 281.

THAT NUMBER DID NOT INCLUDE THE SARATOGA SPRINGS DRY.

WHEN WE MOVED TO THE 2040 COMP PLAN WE DID NOT INCREASE IT, BUT WHEN THE SARATOGA SPRINGS DRI ABANDONED THEIR UNITS AND WENT BACK TO THE STANDARD, THOSE UNITS WERE ADDED TO THE 21,000 NUMBER, AND THAT WAS 3,000 UNITS ADDED TO IT.

>> SO IT IS EXPLAINABLE. HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? ANY OTHER FURTHER QUESTIONS?

>> I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

>> I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE COUNTY ATTORNEY.

HOW LONG -- YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE THE GUARDRAILS ON A TEMPORARY MORATORIUM, LEGALLY

SPEAKING? >> MORATORIUM WHEN IT WAS PUT INTO EFFECT IT WAS BECAUSE OF THE INCOMPLETE INFRASTRUCTURE AND THE BOND OF TRANSPORTATION PROGRAM AND TRYING TO GET THROUGH THAT PROCESS.

AND BECAUSE THAT IS STILL THE REASON, THOSE ROADS ARE NOT COMPLETED, YOU'VE BEEN WORKING VERY DILIGENTLY. THEY'VE BEEN UNDER CONSTRUCTION. I MEAN, WE HAVEN'T PAUSED ON THEM AT ALL, SO IT IS STILL A VALID REASON TO CONTINUE WITH THE MORATORIUM BECAUSE THAT WAS THE REASON THAT YOU PUT IT IN

PLACE. >> I GUESS IT'S A BIG PROJECT, AND I GUESS I'M LOOKING FOR

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MORATORIUM? >> FROM THE TIMELINE STANDPOINT THOSE ROADS WE FEEL ARE PART OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT REALLY REQUIRE THE MORATORIUM. THE CATHEDRAL OAKS PARKWAY SHOULD OPEN UP IN THE SUMMER OF '25 ASSUMING THE STATE FINISHES '23 IN THAT AREA. THEN FOLLOWING THAT, WE SHOULD HAVE THE 209 SANDRIDGE ROUNDABOUT SWOOSH, I FORGET IF THAT'S 3A OR 3B. AND THE NEXT ONE WOULD BE COMPLETION OF THE 209 PETERS CREEK TO 17 TO

26. >> WE DON'T NEED TO MAKE A DECISION TONIGHT, BUT I THINK WE NEED TO IDENTIFY WHAT ARE THE TRIGGERS THAT WOULD CAUSE US TO NO LONGER NEED THE MORATORIUM DUE TO INFRASTRUCTURE? THERE MAY BE OTHER REASONS. I DON'T KNOW, BUT WE'RE APPLYING THIS MORATORIUM BECAUSE OF INFRASTRUCTURE. OKAY, WELL, LIKE I SAID THESE ROADS EVEN AFTER THEY'RE COMPLETE ARE GOING TO REQUIRE MAINTENANCE AND REPAIR AND BLAH, BLAH, BLAH. SO WHAT ARE THE TRIGGERS? I THINK WE NEED TO IDENTIFY TRIGGERS, AND WE ALL AGREE WE'RE GOOD NOW. THAT'S A RELEVANT TERM.

WE'LL NEVER BE PERFECT, SO

THOUGHTS. >> MR. CHAIR, I HAVE A QUESTION. I'M NOT SURE IT'S FOR THE COUNTY ATTORNEY OR FOR BETH, BUT WHAT IS THE LATITUDE OF THE COMMISSION FOR COMMERCIAL ALLOWANCES IN A MORATORIUM? I USED TO LIVE IN LAKE LAKE ASBURY BEFORE I MOVED TO FLEMING ISLAND IN 2021. I DO AGREE OUR INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS MORE THAN JUST ROADS, BUT FOR GENERAL SERVICES FOR YOUR FAMILY, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.

>> THE LAKE LAKE ASBURY MASTER PLAN IT'S UNIQUE BECAUSE WE DO NOT HAVE COMMERCIAL JUST BY ITSELF.

YOU HAVE COMMERCIAL PART OF THE VILLAGE CENTERS, AND THE VILLAGE CENTERS ARE MADE UP OF COMMERCIAL. SO IN ORDER FOR A PIECE OF PROPERTY TO BE COMMERCIAL, THEY WOULD HAVE TO BE VILLAGE CENTER, WHICH THEN ALLOWS

RESIDENTIAL. >> I THINK SHE ANSWERED MY QUESTION. THANK YOU.

>> THE OTHER COMMENT I HAVE IS AS YOU SAW TONIGHT, THIS COMMISSION HAS THE AUTHORITY TO LIMIT REZONING AND THAT THING.

SO THIS MORATORIUM PROHIBITS US FROM -- AND QUITE HONESTLY A MORATORIUM FOR THE LAMP ND IS ONE SIZE FITS ALL. AND THAT'S NEVER TRUE.

ON THE DAIS WE'VE BOBBED AND WEAVED SOME OF THE ZONING REQUIREMENTS IN EFFECT, AND WE'VE ELECTED TO MOVE FORWARD. SO IT LIMITS OUR ABILITY TO -- WITH EDUCATION AND WITH KNOWLEDGE AND WITH UNDERSTANDING TO MAKE DECISIONS AS A COMMISSION, IT'S JUST A UNIVERSAL POLICY.

AND THAT'S -- IT'S WHAT WE CALL PEANUT BUTTER THE WHOLE DISTRICT WITH A POLICY, AND THAT MAY NOT ALWAYS APPLY. OKAY, THERE MAY BE POCKETS WHERE IT DOESN'T APPLY, AND YET WE'RE BOUND BY THE MORATORIUM TO NOT EVEN CONSIDER IT BECAUSE WE MADE A DECISION. LIKE I SAID, IT'S NOT WITHOUT CONSEQUENCE. THE MORATORIUM IS NOT WITHOUT CONSEQUENCE, AND, YO KNOW, DON'T EVEN TALK -- ORANGE PARK WE GET ALL YOUR TRAFFIC PLUS A LOT MORE. WE'VE BEEN DOING IT 80,000 CARS A DAY. SO SIX MORE CARS ON THE ROAD I GO -- IT'S HARD TO GET EXCITED FOR ME ABOUT THAT.

BUT, ANYWAY, IT'S JUST SOMETHING WE NEED TO LOOK AT.

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I DON'T QUITE SEE THAT ENOUGH TO MAKE A MOTION IN THAT REGARD, BUT WE HAVE TO COME TO CLOSURE ON THIS SOONER OR LATER, AND I'M LOOKING FOR TRIGGERS.

WHAT CONSTITUTES INFRASTRUCTURE

COMPLETELY? >> I HAVE SOME

THOUGHTS. >> SURE.

>> SO A COUPLE OF THINGS. I THINK THAT YOU'RE RIGHT IN THAT THE GENERAL PUBLIC LIKES US TO SEE OR HEAR SOMETHING AND VOTE NO, AND IT'S INTERESTING BECAUSE WE VOTED NO ON A LOT OF DEVELOPING LATELY BECAUSE IT WASN'T THE RIGHT THING TO DO IN CERTAIN AREAS.

AND YET WE GET BEAT UP A LOT. LIKE I EVEN HEARD SOME PEOPLE TONIGHT TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THAT WE KIND OF -- DEROGATORILY TOWARDS US.

SOMETIMES IT GETS OLD TAKING ALL THE DARTS.

AND SOME OF YOU HAVE ACKNOWLEDGED THIS COMMISSION AND EVEN ASIDE FROM COMMISSIONER SGROMOLO, WE'RE NOT THE COMMISSION TAT RAN THIS. IT'S INTRIGUING TO PEOPLE ASK US US TO HELP THEM OUT AND THEN BEAT US UP FOR WHAT WE DO.

AND I GET YOUR FRUSTRATION. I DO.

AND THE OTHER COMMENT OR THOUGHT WAS SOME PEOPLE ASKED EARLIER ABOUT IMPACT FEES. DO YOU KNOW THE PERCENTAGE THAT WE CAN CHARGE ON IMPACT FEES IS SET BY THE STATE. AND IN FACT A LOT OF OUR ORDIANCES AND DENIALS OF THE ZONINGS OR APPROVAL OF THE ZONING IS ALSO SET BY THE STATE, AND YOU'LL BE INTRIGUED TO KNOW THAT TRAFFIC IS NOT A REASON TO DENY ZONING.

AND IN FACT, THE STATE SAYS THAT A PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNER CAN SUE THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS IF THEY DENY ZONING.

NOW, SOMEBODY SAID SOMETHING ABOUT SOME DENIAL OF ZONINGS THAT HAVE HAPPENED IN ST.

JOHN'S COUNTY. THERE ARE AT LEAST THREE OR FOUR COURT CASES THAT ST. JOHN'S COUNTY IS INVOLVED IN BECAUSE THEY DENIED PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNERS RIGHTS TO DEVELOP THEIR PROPERTY, AND THEY'RE BEING SUED BY THOSE PEOPLE. AND SO -- AND YOU CAN ARGUE IF THAT'S A GOOD USE OF TAX DOLLARS OR NOT.

I HAPPEN TO THINK IT'S NOT FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE TO TIE UP IN LITIGATION UNNECESSARILY. SOMETIMES LITIGATION IS NECESSARY, AND WE APPRECIATE OUR ATTORNEY FRIENDS WHEN THAT HAPPENS IF THEY'RE ON THEIR SIDE. AND THEY'RE REALLY SMART.

BUT AT ANY RATE, AND WE HAVE GREAT LEGAL REPRESENTATIONREPRE SENTATION THE COUNTY, AND SHE REPRESENTS THE COUNTY. SHE DOES NOT REPRESENT THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS. SHE DOES NOT REPRESENT THE COUNTY MANAGER. SHE REPRESENTS THE ENTITY OF THE COUNTY, AND THAT'S OFTEN A MISUNDERSTOOD CONCEPT.

AND THEN I READ EVERY E- MAIL THAT WAS SENT, AND I DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE THE TIME TO RESPOND TO ALL OF YOU BECAUSE YOU WOULD GET A DANNED E-MAIL JUST LIKE A LOT OF PEOPLE SEND TO US. WE'RE WATCHING FOR YOUR E-MAILS. WE GOT ONE THAT REALLY KIND OF -- AND I DON'T KNOW THIS INDIVIDUAL BUT REALLY SET BE OFF BECAUSE THIS PERSON PUT IN ALL CAPS "WITH THIS MORATORIUM POTENTIALLY EXTENDING INTO ITS FOURTH YEAR -- THE FOURTH YEARS WAS IN ALL CAPS KWAEGS I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE NEGATIVE IMPLICATIONS OF THIS ORDINANCE, THE BACKLOG OF PROJECTS IT'S CREATING, AND THE EFFECT IT MAY HAVE ON AFFORDABILITY OF HOMES IN CLAY COUNTY. I DON'T KNOW WHERE THIS PERSON LIVES. I'M THINKING THEY HAVEN'T DRIVENDRIVEN CLAY COUNTY BECAUSE THERE IS NO SHORTAGE OF PLACES TO LIVE. I DO NOT THINK THERE IS A BACKLOG OF PROJECTS. GOODNESS KNOWS, TRY TO GET SOMEONE TO WORK AT YOUR HOUSE, BUT IT'S HARD TO FIND SOMEBODY TO COME WORK AT YOUR HOUSE, SO I DON'T THINK THERE'S A BACKLOG OF PROJECTS. AND THEN TO SAY IT'S AFFECTING AFFORDABILITY, IT'S NOT. THAT'S NOT WHY HOUSES ARE NOT AFFORDABLE. BECAUSE THEY COME TO US AND CALL AN AFFORDABLE HOUSE THAT THE MEDIAN HOME PRICE IN CLAY COUNTY IS $350,000. I HAVEN'T PAID $350,000 EVER IN MY ENTIRE ADULT LIFE.

UNFORTUNATELY, THAT'S WHAT OUR KIDS ARE FACING.

JACKSONVILLE NEWS SAID A FEW WEEKS AGO YOU HAVE TO MAKEOVER $100,000 A YEAR AS A COUPLE TO BUY A HOME. AND THAT DISAPPOINTS ME BECAUSE

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WE'VE HAD DELAYS SPECIFICALLY IN THE LAMP AREA WITH THAT PERMIT IN THE ARMY CORP.

ED WAS ABOUT TO GET THE PERMIT FROM DEP AND THERE WAS A FEDERAL COURT CASE THAT CHANGED IT.

THAT'S NOT A COUNTY NOT WANTING TO FINISH A PROJECT ISSUE. BY THE WAY, THAT'S AFFECTING THE EFFICIENCY OF STAFF. THERE'S A FORMER COMMISSIONER WHO SAID ONE TIME ON THE DAIS, THE MASTER PLANS ARE -- THE ZONING IS THERE, AND SO IF WE JUST STICK TO THAT, YOU KNOW, WE WON'T HAVE TO DO ALL THIS. WELL, BUT THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN, RIGHT? LANDOWNERS GET STARS IN THEIR EYES.

SOME DEVELOPER TELLS THEM YOUR PROPERTY IS WORTH A WHOLE LOT OF MONEY, AND THEY'RE THINKING I CAN'T JUST CHANGE MY FUTURE, I CAN CHANGE MY GRANDCHILDREN'S FUTURE. AND THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO DO THAT, IF THEY SELL THEIR PROPERTY.

WHAT THEY DON'T HAVE A RIGHT TO DO IS AUTOMATIC REZONING INTO THE HIGHEST DENSITY THAT CAN BRING. THAT'S NOT THE RIGHT THE ACT PROTECTED. THAT'S NOT A RIGHT I AS A CONSERVATIVE ARE WILLING TO FIGHT FOR. I'VE SAID A FARMER HAS A RIGHT TO MAKE HIS PROPERTY, HIS 401K BUT HE DOES. BUT THEY DON'T HAVE A RIGHT TO THE REZONING, AND SO I DON'T WANT OUR LANDOWNERS, THEIR LANDOWNERS TO GET STARS IN THEIR EYES THINKING THEY'RE GOING TO MAKE A LOT OF MONEY AND THEN BE POSSIBLY DENIED BECAUSE IT'S EXPENSIVE TO ASK FOR THIS AND THEN STAFF TIME.

AND FINAL THING AND REALLY WHAT DONE IT FOR ME AND I'LL SUPPORT EVERY YEAR, COMMISSIONER BURKE, IS PEACE OF MIND. AND HOPEFULLY THIS PERSON IS GOING TO ENJOY THEIR VACATION AFTER TONIGHT MORE.

IT WAS ALMOST CANCELED BECAUSE SHE WAS SO UPSET OVER WORRYING ABOUT DO I HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT -- AND THAT'S PART OF WHY SHE MOVED TO YOUR DISTRICT. SHE WAS IN A VERY PART OF YOUR DISTRICT AND SHE MOVED OVER TO LAKE ASBURY FOR SOME PEACE OF MIND. THE GENTLEMAN SPOKE.

I'VE FORGOTTEN YOUR NAME. YOU SAID EARLIER ABOUT ASBURY HAMMOCK, SO SOME OF IT WE CAN'T ADDRESS, BUT THAT'S WAY FOR ME I'M GOING TO SUPPORT IT AGAIN, ALL THOSE REASONS.

>> JUST HAVE A COUPLE OTHER COMMENTS AND ONE, IMPACT FEES THAT WAS BROUGHT UP. THREE OF US FIVE COMMISSIONERS REVERSED A MORATORIUM AND IMPACT FEES SEVERAL YEARS AGO, SO THE NEW HOMES ARE -- MOBILITY FEES THEY ARE PAYING THEIR FAIR SHARE. SO, ANYWAY, THAT'S ABOUT ALL.

I'LL TAKE A MOTION ON THE MORATORIUM ITEM NUMBER 22.

I THINK WE HAD A PUBLIC HEARING, AND THE MOTION FOR

IT. >> SORRY, I HAVE A LOT OF COMMENTS. SO SORRY.

I DO HAVE 2 HOURS OF DRIVE AFTER WE GET DONE HERE, SO I

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ANYWAY, FIRST OFF I WANT TO SAY TO MY PEOPLE IN LAKE LAKE ASBURY AND THE WHOLE AREA, I'M SORRY FOR WHAT YOU'RE HAVING TO DEAL WITH. I TRULY AM.

BUT NONE OF US COULD HAVE EVER IMAGINED, AND I ASKED MIKE IS THIS -- OTHER COMMISSIONERS HERE TO DRIVE THROUGH MY DISTRICT, YOU KNOW, BEFORE THIS MEETING, AND I THINK THEY DID.

SANDRIDGE ROAD IT'S VERY NESSY.

THERE'S TWO LANES WITH A MEDIAN IN THE MIDDLE AND WHY ARE WE HAVING TO GO THROUGH THIS.

IT WAS A BRAND NEW ROAD AND IT WAS VERY NECESSARY. IF YOU EVER HEAR PEOPLE SAYING SOMETHING LIKE THAT, PLEASE SAY SOMETHING TO THEM.

FROM THE UNDERGROUND UP IT'S BRAND NEW, AND IT WAS BUILT ON TOP OF SAND YEARS AGO, AND WE DESPERATELY NEEDED IT.

THAT'S A MAJOR ROAD IN OUR DISTRICT.

WE NEED IT TO BE IN GOOD SHAPE. IT WILL BE.

IT'LL BE NICE AFTER WE GET IT DONE. IT'S BEEN HORRENDOUS TO LIVE LIVE THROUGH. I DON'T LIVE OFF SANDRIDGE ROAD, BUT PERSONALLY DOWN DEEP I'M PROMISING I'M TELLING YOU I'M SORRY, I HATE YOU'RE HAVING TO DEAL WITH IT, BUT I HEARD A COMMENT TALKING ABOUT IS THERE A WAY WE CAN GET RID OF DENSITY, AND THAT'S SOMETHING I'VE ALREADY MET WITH THE COUNTY ATTORNEY. IS THERE SOMETHING WE CAN DO LIKE THAT, AND I'LL SAY THE REASONS WHY IN A MINUTE. AS FAR AS COMMERCIAL, THAT'S A PRETTY BIG DEAL THAT I FEEL LIKE IF IT HAS BEEN -- IF THERE HAS BEEN AN EFFECT AT ALL POSSIBLY I DID ASK BETH THERE'S ONLY BEEN FIVE, MAYBE FOUR LEGITIMATE PEOPLE THAT CAME FORWARD THAT WANTED TO CHANGE TO COMMERCIAL.

THE DEAL WITH VILLAGEVILLAGE IS LAKE ASBURY MASTER PLAN, IT WAS DESIGNED TO HAVE COMMERCIAL IN THESE VILLAGE CENTERS.

IF WE HAVE PEOPLE ON 218 ALL OF A SUDDEN WANT TO HAVE THEIR PROPERTY SOLD AND COME TO US TO REZONE IT AND WE DENY IT BECAUSE WE MOST LIKELY WILL BECAUSE THAT'S COLD SPOT ZONING. YOU CAN'T JUST HAVE COMMERCIAL WHEREVER YOU WANT IN THE MASTER PLAN. IT WAS DESIGNED TO HAVE COMMERCIAL IN THESE VILLAGE CENTERS. SO I HAD A CONSTITUENT E- MAIL ME. SHE LIVES ON AN ACRE.

THIS IS JUST A PRIME EXAMPLE OF WHAT I CAN SEE HAPPENING WITHOUT THE MORATORIUM.

SHE SAYS I'M JUST TIRED OF THIS DEVELOPMENT. I -- MY FAMILY LIVES -- SHE ACTUALLY DIDN'T TELL ME THE FAMILY LIVED NEXT DOOR, BUT I RECOGNIZED THE NAME AND I SAID I HEARD YOUR FAMILY WAS SELLING PROPERTY.

AND SHE SAID, YEAH, MY GRANDFATHER JUST CAN'T TAKE CARE OF IT ANYMORE OR WHATEVER. AND I SAID, WELL, EXACTLY, AND THAT'S HIS RIGHT JUST LIKE WITH THESE OTHER PEOPLE.

THAT'S THEIR RIGHT TO DO WHATEVER THEY WANT TO DO WITH THEIR PROPERTY, BUT SHE WANTS TO SELL HER 1 ACRE AND BE ABLE TO CHANGE IT TO COMMERCIAL BECAUSE SHE'S TIRED OF LIVING THERE AND SHE THINKS WE CAN USE A STARBUCKS HERE.

THAT'D BE GREAT, HOWEVER, AGAIN RIGHT DOWN THE ROAD THERE'S A VILLAGE CENTER.

WE CAN'T JUST SAY BECAUSE YOU WANT YOUR 1 ACRE TO BECOME VILLAGE CENTER, WE'LL CHANGE IT TO VILLAGE CENTER, THAT CAN'T HAPPEN. I CAN'T SEE OUR BOARD DOING THAT. I JUST CAN'T.

THOSE WERE MADE FOR A SPECIFIC REASON, AND WE ARE READY FOR THE COMMERCIAL TO RUN INTO OUR VILLAGE CENTERS. PLEASE, HALLELUJAH, PLEASE SOMEBODY TELL SOME OF YOUR COMMERCIAL FRIENDS TO COME BY IN THERE. WE DON'T NEED TO CHANGE OUR OTHER AREAS, OTHER PROPERTIES NOT KBIR NEAR THESE VILLAGE CENTERS TO COMMERCIAL. SO THAT'S MY EIGHTY-FIRST.

SECOND, TALK ABOUT THE NUMBER WE GOT BACK, 2,500 HOMES IS ALLOW IN THE MASTER PLAN.

SINCE WE GOT THAT NUMBER 1,000 MORE HAVE BEEN ENTERED INTO THE 1,500 PERMITTED EITHER THERE OR ABOUT TO BE BUILT. LESS THAN 3 MILES DOWN THE ROAD, I JUST MET WITH THE DEVELOPERS OF SARATOGA SPRINGS, WHICH IS GOING TO BE BEAUTIFUL.

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I MEAN OUR PROPERTY VALUES ARE NOT DECREASED AND I'M GOING TO TELL YOU THE PROOF OF THAT IN A SECOND. THE ROAD PROJECT WHENEVER I CAME ON THE BOARD WE HAD APPROVED RUSSELL ROAD 209250 BE THREE LANES.

YAY, THAT WAS VERY EXCITING. WE NEED IT DESPERATELY, WE STILL NEED IT. HOWEVER, THE ROAD PROJECT DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH MONEY ON IT AFTER I CAME ON THE BOARD BECAUSE OF THE INCREASE IN PRICE OF EVERYTHING AND ECONOMY, COVID, SUPPLY CHAIN ISSUES, WHATEVER, AND ALL OF A SUDDEN NEVER MIND, RUSSELL ROAD CAN'T HAVE THE THREE LANES SO WE'RE STUCK AGAIN WITH THE TWO LANES, AND THERE'S NO WAY WE'RE GOING TO GET ANYTHING DIFFERENT THAN THAT. OKAY, SO THE REST OF THE AREA WAS ABLE TO GET THEIR ROADS FOR THE MOST PART, BUT STILL RUSSELL ROAD IS THERE AND THAT'S WHERE EVERYBODY HAS TO COME THROUGH.

THANK GOD WE WILL HAVE THE CATHEDRAL ROAD AS WELL AS THE FIRST COAST EXPRESSWAY, WHICH I BELIEVE WILL TAKE SOME TRAFFIC OFF OUR ROAD, SANDRIDGE AND 209. SAYING THAT, WE STILL HAVE AN ISSUE WITH INFRASTRUCTURE STILL.

SO MY PROOF OF PROPERTY VALUES NOT INCREASING -- NOT DECREASING IS I HAD A REALLY GREAT EDUCATION SEMINAR WITH TRACY DRAKE, OUR PROPERTY APPRAISER ON THE PHONE YESTERDAY. I ACTUALLY SPOKE WITH AN HOA AT WILLIS SPRINGS LAST WEEK AND ASKED WHY ARE OUR PROPERTY VALUES DECREASING. AND HE ACTUALLY DID RESEARCH FOR ME AND FOUND OUT THAT IS NOT TRUE AT ALL.

THEY HAVE NOT DECREASED. THERE'S NO NEIGHBORHOOD IN OUR AREA THAT WHENEVER HE FINISHED THE ASSESSMENT ROLLS, THERE'S NO NEIGHBORHOODS THAT WOULD SUPPORT REDUCTION IN VALUE. SO ACTUALLY WE HAVE NO REDUCTION IN VALUES. SALES HAVE NOT INDICATED A DECREASE IN VALUE. AND HE -- YOU KNOW, HE REVERTS BACK, AND WE HEAR THIS ALL THE TIME THE LAW OF SUPPLY AND DEMAND. THE MORE HOMES WE HAVE, THE MORE SUPPLY WE HAVE, THE MORE DEMAND INCREASES. SO IF YOU RESTRICT THE NUMBER OF HOMES BEING BUILT, LESS TRAFFIC, LESS SUPPLY, AND MORE DEMAND WHICH CAN INCREASE THE VALUES, OKAY? THAT IS WHAT A MORATORIUM ACTUALLY CAN ALLOW FOR.

NOBODY COULD HAVE SEEN -- HE TALKED ABOUT, NOBODY COULD HAVE SEEN WHAT HAPPENED IN 2008 WHEN NONE OF US COULD HAVE SEEN THAT. AND UNFORTUNATELY, THE MASTER PLAN MOST LIKELY WOULD HAVE BEEN A TOTALLY WHOLE DIFFERENT BALL GAME IF THE CRASH HAD NOT HAPPENED, AND WE WOULDN'T HAVE SEEN ALL OF A SUDDEN EVERYTHING COMING ALL AT ONCE LIKE WE HAVE.

THAT'S NOBODY'S FAULT HERE, BUT IT HAPPENED.

HIS GAUGE FOR IS -- IF YOU THINK ABOUT IF A DEVELOPER BUYS LAND, OKAY, USUALLY THE AVERAGE IS ABOUT 24 MONTHS FOR HOMESHOMES TO ON THAT PROPERTY. SO IF WE HAVE A DEVELOPER STILL BUYING LAND, WE HAD 220 ACRES OFF OF RUSSELL.

WE HAVE ANOTHER PROPERTY OFF OF HENLEY THAT DECIDED THEY ARE TIRED OF IT AND THEY ARE SELLING OUT ALSO.

SO IF THE DEVELOPERS ARE STILL BUYING THE LAND, THAT TELLS THE INVESTORS THEY DON'T THINK IT'S GOING SOUTH. THAT'S BASICALLY TRUE. WHY WOULD THEY STILL BUY THE LAND? RECESSION NEVER REALLY HAPPENED.

I GUESS WE CAME CLOSE. VALUES CHANGE EVERY DAY, AND I HAVE HAPPY TO HEAR FROM OUR PROPERTY APPRAISER THAT HE COMMENDS THE PRESENTATION OF A MORATORIUM AND EXTENSION OF IT.

HE SAYS IT ACTUALLY CREATES DEMAND WITH A FINITE NUMBER OF HOMES OR LESS HOMES. WE ACTUALLY ARE TELLING PEOPLE, OKAY IF YOU WANT TO LIVE HERE IN LAKE ASBURY AND IN OUR DISTRICT, YOU BETTER COME AND

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AND THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT WE CAN DO WITH THE LAKE LAKE ASBURY AREA RIGHT NOW BECAUSE OF WHAT WAS APPROVED YEARS AGO, BUT THIS IS SOMETHING WE NEED TO KNOW THAT WE ARE LISTENING, WE DO CARE, TO KEEP THEM SAFE. I PERSONALLY DON'T BELIEVE WE NEED ANYMORE EXTRA HOMES OUT THERE, BUT THAT'S WE CAN DEAL WITH LATER AND SEE IF THAT'S A POSSIBILITY FOR CHANGING THE MOVE WITH INCREASED DENSITY.

RIGHT NOW I WOULD MOVE TO PLEASE EXTEND THE MORATORIUM FOR A YEAR MINIMUM.

>> OKAY, SO WE HAVE A MOTION TO EXTEND THE MORATORIUM.

DO I HAVE A SECOND?

>> A SECOND.

>> ANY OTHER COMMENTS, QUESTION, CONCERNS? SEEING NONE, HEARING NONE, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE, ANY NAYS.

[16.  Legislative Update (C. Latham)]

>> THANK YOU. >> WE'RE GOING TO MOVE BACK TO ITEM NUMBER 16. CHARLIE, ARE YOU HERE? LEGISLATIVE UPDATE.

>> GOOD MORNING, CHAIRMAN. I MEAN, GOOD EVENING, CHAIRMAN, COMMISSIONERS. EVERYBODY KNOWS THE LEGISLATIVE SESSION STARTING ON MARCH 4TH NEXT YEAR, AND SO WE'RE STARTING OUR PROCESS TO GET EVERYTHING READY. I THINK THE MANAGERS PASSED THESE OUT AGAIN. THIS IS A REMINDER WHAT WE TYPICALLY SUBMIT WHICH IS LEGISLATIVE PRIORITIES ON THE FRONT AND APPROPRIATIONS ON THE BACK. WE -- I HAD BEEN WARNED ALREADY THE APPROPRIATIONS ARE GOING TO BE PRETTY FEW AND FAR BETWEEN THIS YEAR, AND THE LEGISLATIVE AND WHAT I'VE DONE ON A LARGER PAGE HERE IS TAKEN OUR LAST TAKEN THE PRIORITIES AFTER SPEAKING TO OUR LOBBYISTS AND MODIFIED IT BY REMOVING A FEW OF THE ITEMS THAT WON'T BE SEEN OR HEARD THIS YEAR.

LEAVING THESE FOUR LEGISLATIVE ISSUES BEHIND, WHICH ARE NO EXPANSION OR PERMISSIBLE USES OF THE TOURIST DEVELOPMENT TAX.

AND SHORT- TERM RENTAL LEGISLATION CHANGES AND LIMIT CHANGES TO STAFF RS. WITH YOUR PERMISSION, I'M GOING TO USE THIS AS A BASIS TO WORK WITH MERCER AND LAURA CHRISTMAS TO PUT TOGETHER OUR RESPONSE TO THE NORTH EAST FLORIDA REGIONAL COUNCIL AND THEN SECONDLY OUR FIRST DRAFT WE CAN BE READY TO WORK OFF OF AS WE ROLL INTO THE NEXT CALENDER YEAR, WHICH IS THE NEXT SESSION YEAR. WORK IT FROM GROUND ZERO I THINK WE'RE IN A BETTER POSITION TO WAIT UNTIL THE FIRST OF THE YEAR WHEN WE LOOK AT WHAT'S GOOD FOR THE COUNTY AND WHAT'S BAD FOR THE COUNTY THAT'S CIRCULATING THROUGH THE COMMITTEES AND THEN START TO TAKE A POSITION AND PUT THIS CARD TOGETHER SO THAT WE CAN EXPRESS OURSELVES PROFESSIONALLY TO THE LEGISLATORS AND WHAT'S IMPORTANT FOR US.

>> WHAT I'VE BEEN READING THE NEW SPEAKER HAS MADE NEW APPROPRIATIONS NEXT WEEK IS THE LEGISLATIVE COMMITTEE MEETINGS AND I DON'T

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THAT MAKES SENSE. >> OKAY, THANK YOU. QUESTIONS

FOR CHARLIE? ANY CHANGES? >> LOOKS LIKE IT'S GO.

>> OKAY. >> MR. CHAIR?

>> JUST WRAP IT UP TO THE FOUR THAT ARE LISTED THERE ON THE SHEETS THAT YOU ALL HAVE WILL BE PRESENTED TO NORTHEAST

FLORIDA REGIONAL COUNCIL. >> PERFECT.

>> LIKE I SAID, THEY'RE MEETING -- I THINK THE 9TH, THEY CHANGEDED THE MEETING FROM THE 5 T TO THE 9TH, I THINK.

[17.  Parks Master Plan (J. Pierce)]

JUSTIN? >> GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONER, JUSTIN PIERCE, DIRECTOR OF PARKS AND REC, A YEAR AND A HALF AGO WANTED TO TAKE A STEP BACK AND LOOK AT OUR PARK SYSTEM AND TO REALLY HAVE A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT WE'RE REMOVERING TO ACCOMMODATE THE GROWTH AND THE GROWTH OF KLAY COUNTY. THE FIRST THING THAT, YOU KNOW, WAS SPOKEN ABOUT ACROSS THE STATE WAS TO DEVELOP A PARK SYSTEM MASTER PLAN. SO FROM THAT POINT WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH DIFFERENT VENDORS, AND WE SELECTED GAI. WE HAVE WITH US TODAY KRISTIN FROM GAI COMMUNITY SOLUTIONS TO GO OVER THE OVERVIEW OF THE PARK SYSTEM MASTER PLAN PROPOSAL THAT'S BEFORE YOU. TODAY WE'RE SEEKING ACCEPTANCE OF THAT MASTER PLAN TO MOVE FORWARD THE -- TURN THE MIC OVER TO KRISTIN AND GAI.

>> THANK YOU, MR. PIERCE. GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HAVING ME. I DON'T HAVE A HARD COPY SO I'MGOING TO BE LOOKING AT THE PRESENTATION OFF MY COMPUTER. I UNDERSTAND Y'ALL HAVE A HARD COPY. SO FEEL FREE TO ASK ANY QUESTIONS AS I GO THROUGH IT. I'M WITH GAI CONSULTANTS. I'VE GOT DANIEL ASH WORTH WITH ME, AS WELL AS BOBBY JAMESON, ONE OF OUR CIVIL ENGINEERS. AS JUSTIN MENTIONED, WE STARTED THIS PROCESS ABOUT A YEAR AGO. WE -- OUR TEAM WAS PRIMARILY GAI. WE EHAD A SURVEY SUBCONSULTANT NAMED RSE ASSOCIATES. THEY WORK WITH US EXTENSIVELY, BUT THEY ALSO WORK NATIONALLY. SO THEY ARE STATISTICIANS, THEY HAVE THE ABOUT TO CONDUCT SURVEYS THAT ARE STATISTICALLY RELEVANT AND MATCH THE DEMOGRAPHICS OF THE COMMUNITY. WE WORK WITH THEM ON GETTING RESULTS WE KNOW ARE RELIABLE THROUGH THE PROCESS.

THE AGENERAL EDA TONIGHT, I'M JUST GOING TO GO OVER THE PROJECT, HOW WE GOT TO WHERE WE ARE NOW, WHICH IS A START WITH YOUR EXISTING CONDITIONS OF THE 63 PARKS. THEN WE DID PUBLIC INPUT. THEN TALK ABOUT THE VISION AND IMPLEMENTATION TOOL KIT. ONE THING THAT IS IMPORTANT TO HEAR ABOUT THIS PROJECT IS THIS IS A 30,000-FOOT LOOK AT THE PARK SYSTEM IN CLAY COUNTY. WE DON'T HAVE SPECIFIC RECOMMENDATIONS AS FAR AS SITE PLANS. THERE'S NO ENGINEERING PLANS ASSOCIATED WITH THIS. THE IDEA WAS TO BE ABLE TO GUIDE JUSTIN AND THE PARK AND RECREATIONS DEPARTMENT FROM MAKING DECISIONS IN THE SHORT TERM AND LONG TERM FOR THE FUTURE OF THE DEPARTMENT TO PROVIDE AN EQUITABLE LEVEL OF SERVICE FOR PARKS AND REC RATION THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY NO MATTER WHERE YOU LIVE. SO REGARDLESS IF YOU'RE IN A MORE RURAL AREA OR A MORE URBAN AREA, THE PARK INFRASTRUCTURE IS GOING TO BE A COMPARABLE LEVEL OF SERVICE, AND EVERYONE'S GOING TO HAVE ACCESS IN THE RESIDENTIAL AREAS TO PARKS THAT ARE CLOSE TO HOME BASED ON THE APPROPRIATE LAND USES WHEN WE TALK ABOUT OUR PARK SYSTEM MASTER PLAN, WE WRITE GOALS WE HAVE VERY SPECIFIC RECOMMENDATIONS IN THE PACK OF THE PLAN. Y'ALL HAVE A COPY OF THE PLAN. THERE ARE RECOMMENDATIONS BY COMMISSION DISTRICT. THERE ARE SPECIFIC PROJECTS. THERE'S A LOT OF THEM, AND I'M NOT GOING TO GET INTO THOSE DETAILS TONIGHT, BUT CERTAINLY ALL THAT INFORMATION IS AVAILABLE I IN THE MASTER PLAN. BUT THE WAY THAT WE TACKLE IT IS WORKING WITH JUSTIN, WORKING WITH THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT TO BREAK GOALS DOWN INTO SHORT, MID, AND LONG TERM WITH THE IDEA THAT SHORT-TERM GOALS ARE SOMETHING TO BE ACCOMPLISHED IN ABOUT THE NEXT TWO FISCAL YEARS. THE RECOMMENDATION IS AFTER FIVE YEARS YOU HAVE LONG-TERM GOALS AND THOSE LONG-TERM GOALS ARE RETESTED AS PART OF A PUBLIC INPUT PROCESS WHERE YOU CAN CELEBRATE THE ACCOMPLISHMENTS YOU MADE IN YOUR FIRST FIVE YEARS AND THEN LOOK TO SEE WHAT, IF ANY, ARE STILL PRIORITIZED THAT YOU WEREN'T

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THOSE ARE TRACKED. AND THEY'RE TRACKED SO THE DEMOGRAPHICS OF THE RESPONSES COULD BE WEIGHTED TO MATCH THE DEMOGRAPHICS OF THE COUNTY. IT HELPS US TO BE ABLE TO ELIMINATE OVERREPRESENTATION OF ANY ONE GROUP OR, MORE IMPORTANTLY, UNDERREPRESENTATION OF ANY GROUP. WE ALSO HAD AN ONLINE OPEN LINK SURVEY THAT ANYONE COULD ACCESS. WE ASK THE SAME QUESTIONS A BETWEEN THOSE TWO SURVEY METHODOLOGIES SO WE CAN COMPARE RESPONSES. WE CAN SEE IF ONE AREA IS BEING PULLED IN ONE SPECIFIC DIRECTION. WE CAN COMPARE THAT BACK TO COUNTYWIDE AND HAVE AN IDEA OF WHAT MIGHT BE REALLY IMPORTANT TO A SPECIFIC USER GROUP. THERE WEREN'T ANY MAJOR BOGEYS IN YOUR SURVEY IN THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE ONLINE SURVEY AND THE STATISTICALLY VALID SURVEY. GENERALLY PEOPLE WANT AS A LITTLE PREVIEW FOR WHAT WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT LATER, GENERALLY PEOPLE WANT ACCESS TO PARKS CLOSE TO THEIR HOME. THEY WANT ACCESS TO BE ABLE TO PLAY AFTER WORK, AFTER SCHOOL HOURS, NEARBY THEIR HOUSE WITHOUT GOING THROUGH A LOT OF TRAFFIC TO GET TO THOSE TYPES OF PLACES. AND THEY WANT TO BE ABLE TO WALK. SO WE ALSO HAD FOCUS GROUPS. WE WORK TO IDENTIFY USERS WHO HAVE A SPECIFIC INTEREST IN, EXCUSE ME, IN CLAY COUNTY PARKS AND WHAT YOU'RE PROVIDING. THOSE GROUPS WERE FACILITATED BY US. WE GET TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE INTIMATE CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM AND WE HAVE FACILITATED QUESTIONS TO UNCOVER THEIR NEEDS. AND THEN FINALLY WE HAVE THE SIX PUBLIC WORKSHOPS THAT WENT THROUGH COUNTYWIDE. THOSE WERE IN APRIL OF THIS YEAR. AS ENTERTAINING AS WE THINK WE ARE GIVING PRESENTATIONS, WE DO NOT STAND UP AT THE TOP OF THE HOUR AND SAY YOU MUST BE HERE AT 6:00 P.M. TO HEAR WHAT WE HAVE TO SAY. WE HAD OPEN WORKSHOPS ACROSS -- ACROSS THE COUNTY WHERE WE COULD COME AND GO AS WE PLEASE. WE HAD STATIONS FACILITATED BY SOME OF OUR TEAM MEMBERS TO REALLY BE ABLE TO HAVE ONE-ON-ONE CONVERSATIONS WITH THE PUBLIC. NO ONE HAS TO SPEAK AT A PODIUM AT OUR WORKSHOPS. WE'RE ABLE TO FACILITATE CONVERSATIONS ON WHAT KIND OF PROGRAMS THEY WANT TO SEE AT THEIR PARKS, HOW ARE THEY GETTING TO PARKS, WHERE DO THEY LIVE, WORK, AND PLAY, SO WE'RE LOOKING AT CONNECTIONS BETWEEN WHERE PEOPLE LIVE AND WHERE THEY PLAY OR WANT TO BE ABLE TO PLAY IN THE FUTURE AND START TO BE ABLE TO BUILD THOSE GAPS AND UNDERSTAND HOW THOSE GAPS ARE DISTRIBUTED COUNTY WIDE. SO ALL THREE METHODS OF PUBLIC INPUT, PLUS WHAT WE WERE ABLE TO LOOK AT AS PART OF THE EXISTING CONDITIONS, BROUGHT US TO FIVE KEY TAKEAWAYS. THOSE

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SO THE FIRST ONE WAS ACCESS FOR ALL AGES AND ABILITIES. SO YOU DO HAVE THE ABILITY AND A LOT OF YOUR PARKS WITH LARGER ACREAGE PARKS TO HAVE PLAY SPACES FOR MULTIPLE GENERATIONS IN THE SAME SITE. SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN REALLY CAPITALIZE ON. WE TALK TO PEOPLE ABOUT BEING ABLE TO WALK TO A PARK ESPECIALLY IN THE DARK. ONCE YOU GET TO A PARK, HAVING A SAFE PLACE TO WATCH. IT'S 5:30 NOW AND PITCH BLACK OUTSIDE. WHEN YOU HAVE A PARK THAT ADULTS AND GO AND WALK AFTER HOURS AND THE KIDS CAN PLAY ON THE PLAY GROURND, LOOKING AT THINGS LIKE THAT WHERE YOU HAVE MULTIGENERATIONA L CAPABILITIES ON THE SAME SITE. ALSO, OF COURSE, ADA-ACCESSIBLE PARKS AS YOU BEGIN TO IMPLEMENT SOME OF THIS. THE SECOND ONE IS WALKABILITY AND CONNECTIVITY, ALREADY TOUCHED ON THAT. CONNECTING PARKS THROUGH TRAILS BUT ALSO CONNECTING WITHIN PARKS AND PROVIDING THOSE TRAILS WITHIN PARKS AND THEN SUPPORTING THE COUNTY TRAIL EFFORTS. IT WAS GREAT TO HEAR Y'ALL ACCEPTING PROPERTY TONIGHT TO CONTINUE YOUR TRAIL PROGRAM. THAT'S WONDERFUL.

CREATING USER EXPERIENCES AND COMFORT LIGHTING, APPROPRIATE LIGHTING. THIS IS ONE THING THAT IN FLORIDA IS REALLY IMPORTANT IN THE WINTERTIME BECAUSE IT'S SO DARK HERE DURING OUR BEST MONTHS OF THE YEAR. HAVING APPROPRIATE LIGHTING AND THE SAFETY THAT GOES ALONG WITH THAT FOR PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO RECREATE, AGAIN, AFTER WORK HOURS, AFTER SCHOOL HOURS. PLANNING FOR TOMORROW, I WAS VERY GLAD TO GET TO HEAR Y'ALL'S DIALOGUE TONIGHT. I THINK THAT YOUR ABILITY TO PLAN FOR YOUR FUTURE RESIDENTIAL AREAS BUT ALSO TAKE CARE OF YOUR CURRENT RESIDENTIAL AREAS WITH YOUR PARKS HERE IN CLAY COUNTY IS GOING TO BE GREAT. WE WANT TO HONOR WHAT YOU HAVE NOW, CAPITALIZING ON THAT AND BRINGING IT INTO THE FUTURE AND MAKING SURE THAT THOSE PARKS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY ARE REALLY ABLE TO CONTINUE TO PROVIDE AN EQUITABLE LEVEL OF SERVICE. THEN, OF COURSE, THAT THEIS INTO MAINTAINING YOUR EXISTING PARKS AND UPGRADING YOUR INFRASTRUCTURE NOT ONLY TO GET TO A LEVEL OF SERVICE EXPECTED BUT TO BE RESPONSIVE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD NEEDS. AS TIMES CHANGE, AS NEEDS CHANGE, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NEIGHBORHOODS AND YOU'RE IMPLEMENTING PLANS AND THINGS THAT PEOPLE WANT TO SEE CLOSE TO THEIR HOME. SO THE BALANCE BETWEEN HAVING A REALLY PRESCRIPTIVE PARK SYSTEM AND THE ABILITY TO WORK WITH YOUR NEIGHBORHOODS TO HAVE WHAT INFRASTRUCTURE THEY WANT IN THERE IS GOING TO BE IMPORTANT GOING FORWARD. SO YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DOES TALK ABOUT DIFFERENT PARK TYPES. WE DO GO THROUGH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WE WORKED WITH PLANNING STAFF TO LOOK AT HOW PARKS ARE DEFINED IN THE COUNTY COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. AND WHAT IT REALLY COMES DOWN TO IS ACREAGEWISE YOU HAVE ENOUGH ACREAGE TO SERVE YOUR, EXCUSE ME, YOUR GROWING POTENTIAL POPULATION IN THE COUNTY . YOU ARE PROJECTED TO HAVE SOME LARGE GAPS IN PUBLIC ACCESS TO PARKS BASED ON LAND USE YOU ALREADY HAVE SOME GAPS. SO ACREAGE-BASED WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT LARGE ACREAGE PARCELS, SOMETHING LIKE MOCCASIN SLOUGH, THERE'S YOUR -- IF THEY HAVE A PARK CLOSE TO THEIR HOME. SO WE WORKED THROUGH THAT WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT AND HAVE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS OVER THERE -- HAVE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS IN THE PLAN TO CHANGE HOW YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT PARKS AND PARKS LEVEL SERVICE AS FAR AS THE REGULATORY PLANNING ENDS GOES.

AGAIN, TO REINFORCE EVERYONE WHO LIVES HERE --EQUAL ACCESS TO GETTING TO THEM. SO WE ADDRESSED THE NEIGHBORHOODS PARKS LEVEL OF SERVICE. SO IF YOU ARE WITHIN THE URBAN SERVICES BOUNDARY, WE'VE SET A GOAL THAT A NEIGHBORHOOD PARK, AGAIN A A CLOSE-TO-HOME PARK, EVERYONE WILL LIVE WITHIN THREE MILES OF ONE, OUTSIDE OF THE URBAN SERVICES BOUNDARY, WE HAVE LOOKED AT EVERYBODY LIVING WITHIN FIVE MILES IN THE RURAL AREAS OF A CLOSE-TO-HOME OR NEIGHBORHOOD PARK. THE REASON WHY IT'S A LONGER LEVEL OF SERVICE, A FURTHER DISTANCE TO TRAVEL IN THE RURAL AREAS, OF COURSE, YOU'RE LOOKING AT MANY PEOPLE LIVE ON MULTIPLE ACRES, SO HAVING -- AND THEY ARE RECREATE AND ENJOY OPEN SPACE ON THEIR OWN LAND. YOUR

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YOU MIGHT HAVE A SATURDAY AND EXPECT TO SPEND A COUPLE OF HOURS THERE. SO WE'RE LOOKING AT A FIVE-MILE SERVICE RADIUS FOR COMMUNITY PARKS IN THE URBAN SERVICES AREA AND TEN MILES IN THE RURAL AREA. SO ALL OF THAT TAKES US TO THE VISION.

WE'VE GOT THE FIVE GUIDING PRINCIPLES. THE THEME THAT CAME OUT OF EVERYTHING WE SAW AND HEARD. TALKING A LITTLE BIT MORE IN DEPTH ABOUT THEM. THE FIRST ONE, MAINTAIN AND IMPROVE EXISTING. SO WE'VE GOT KIND OF THE MISSION STATEMENTS IF YOU WILL. PARKS WITHIN CLAY COUNTY ARE WELL MAINTAINED AND MODERNIZED TO CONTINUE TO SERVE THE COMMUNITY AT A HIGH QUALITY. SO IN THE PRESENTATION, AGAIN, THIS IS A VERY, VERY HIGH LEVEL WE GET INTO IN-DEPTH SPECIFICS IN THE MASTER PLAN ON HOW ALL OF THESE WILL BE ACCOMPLISHED AND THEN WE ASSIGN DOLLAR SIGNS, BECAUSE WE NEED TO KNOW HOW MUCH ALL THIS FUN IS EXPECTED TO COST. SECOND ONE IS PROVIDING FOR TODAY AND PLANNING FOR TOMORROW. TAKING A LOOK AT YOUR EXISTING PARKS, HOW CAN WE INCREASE THE LEVEL OF SERVICE WHILE PLANNING FOR FUTURE NEEDS, HOOKING AT THE POPULATION GROWTH, WHERE THE POPULATION GROWTH IS GOING TO HAPPEN AND WHEN. NEXT ALL AGES AND ABILITIES, PARKS PROVIDE OPPORTUNITIES FOR LEISURE AND RECREATION FOR ALL CLAY COUNTY RESIDENTS REGARDLESS OF AGE OR ABILITY. WELL BEING THROUGH GREENER PARKS, WE HAD A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS AT OUR MEETINGS ABOUT PEOPLE WANTING TO ACCESS NATURE. WE CAN'T CREATE NATURE, SO MAKING SURE AND PROVIDING THAT THE COUNTY'S PRIORITIZING ACQUIRING NATURAL LANDS AND THAT HELPS WITH EVERYTHING FROM FLOODING TO HEAT ISLANDS AND ALL OF, THAT PROVIDING ACCESS TO NATURE FOR RESIDENTS WAS IMPORTANT.

PRESERVING THE TREE CANOPY, REPLANTING TREES IF TREES ARE COMING OUT TO HELP KEEP THE COUNTY GREEN. AND THEN WALKABLE AND CONNECTED. LAY COUNTY RESIDENTS CAN SAFELY BIKE OR WALK TO PARKS AND HAVE ACCESS TO TRAIL EXPERIENCES. AND THAT GOES BEYOND JUST TRAILS BUT ALSO PROVIDING COMFORT ONCE YOU GET TO A PARK. SO BIKE RACKS, SHADE, WATER, THINGS THAT ARE GOING TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO STOP, SPEND TIME IN THE PARKS AND BE COMFORTABLE IN THE PARKS. SO FINALLY, WE HAVE A VERY DETAILED TOOL KIT IN THE PLAN. WE DID WRITE PARK STANDARDS. THEY ARE DESIGNED TO BE A PULL-OUT SECTION AT THE END IN ONE OF THE APPENDICES. THEY CAN HAND THIS DOCUMENT OUT AND SAY THIS IS GOING TO BE THE TYPES OF BENCHES WE'RE GOING TO HAVE, THE TYPES OF PAVILIONS. THAT HELPS IN THE LONG RUN WITH KEEPING MAINTENANCE COSTS DOWN YOU.

DON'T HAVE 30 DIFFERENT BENCH TYPES, FOR INSTANCE, ACROSS THE COUNTY. IF YOU HAVE TO REPLACE AN ARMREST OR A SLAT, NUTS AND BOLTS, ANY OF THAT, YOU CAN KEEP THOSE THINGS ON HAND. IT BECOMES MUCH EASIER TO MAINTAIN OVER THE LONG RUN. WE'VE GOT A FULL SECTION ON THAT. IT ALSO GETS INTO DESIGN STANDARDS TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT PUTTING, FOR INSTANCE, TRASH RECEPTACLES NEXT TO BENCHES. WE HAVE BASIC SKETCHES IN THERE. YOU WOULD BE SURPRISED SOMETIMES SOME OF THE WAY THAT PARKS GET DESIGNED AND NOBODY WANTS TO SIT ON A BENCH NEXT TO A TRASH CAN. WE DO PROVIDE FOR SOME OF THAT. JUST SOME COMMON SENSE DESIGN CRITERIA AS PARKS ARE DEVELOPED. WE ALSO HAVE A LEVEL OF SERVICE VISION MAP. THE LAST THING THAT WE WANT TO DO IS RECOMMEND THE COUNTY GO OUT AND HAVE TO ACQUIRE A WHOLE BUNCH OF ACREAGE TO FULFILL THESE GAPS AND LEVEL OF SERVICE ACROSS THE COUNTY. SO WE TOOK A REAL IN-DEPTH LOOK AT THE AREAS WHERE YOU ARE MISSING SOME PARKS. WE BEGAN TO LOOK AT SOME VACANT COUNTY-OWNED LAND. WHAT CAN WE USA TODAYLIZE THAT THE COUNTY ALREADY HAS. HOW CAN WE INCREASE THE CURRENT PARKS AND THEIR LEVEL OF SERVICE. THAT'S SOMEWHERE THAT JUSTIN AND THE PARKS DEPARTMENT WILL NEED PROBABLY SOME HELP AT THE COUNTY MISSION LEVEL TO GET SUPPORT FOR THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. THE LAST RESORT, OF COURSE, WOULD BE ACQUIRING LAND. OTHER IMPLEMENTATION TOOLS A WHOLE PRIORITIZATION MATRIX TO HELP GET THROUGH MAKING THE DECISIONS AND HOW TO PRIORITIZE FUNDING, INCLUDING PARK CONDITION, RECLASSIFYING THE PARKS, IF YOU HAVE A LARGE COMMUNITY PARK, ADDING SOME NEIGHBORHOOD PARK AMENITIES TO A COMMUNITY PARK SO THAT COMMUNITY PARK CANNOT ONLY SERVE FOR BALL GAMES OR THINGS LIKE THAT BUT IT CAN ALSO SERVE THE NEIGHBORHOOD NEEDS BY

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IT HELPS WITH RENOVATING ESPECIALLY LARGER PARKS IN THE LONG RUN TO MAKE SURE YOU ARE TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION WHAT IS IMPORTANT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD BUT ALSO THAT YOU'RE NOT PATCHWORKING TOGETHER PIECES THAT DON'T SEEM TO MAKE SENSE IN THE LONG RUN SOME HAVING A HOLISTIC APPROACH TO STORMWATER, TO PARKING, TO PEDESTRIAN CIRCULATION. AND THEN FINALLY, HOW ARE WE ADDRESSING EQUITY AT YOUR EXISTING PARKS AND NEW PARKS AND MAKING SURE THAT ALL -- THAT EVERYTHING IS DONE WITH A MIND TO EQUITY ACROSS THE COUNTY NO MATTER WHERE YOU LIVE. WE HAVE A SUMMARY OF THE RECOMMENDED IMPROVEMENTS AND HOW EACH ONE OF THEM -- WE'VE GOT IMPACT FEES, WE'VE GOT THE CAPITAL IMPRUCHT FUND, GENERAL FUND, ALL OF THAT IS OUTLINED IN THE REPORT. SO THAT'S WHAT I

HAVE. >> ANY QUESTIONS? ?

>> I'M ALWAYS DISMAID WHEN WE HAVE FOCUS GROUPS, THREE OF THEM AND 20 PARTICIPANTS AND PUBLIC WORKSHOPS AND SIX PUBLIC WORKSHOPS, 61. YOU KNOW, IS THERE ANYTHING YOU'VE SEEN THAT MIGHT ENHANCE IN ALL PARTICIPATION THAT WE HAVEN'T, THAT WE DIDN'T DO OR YOU DIDN'T DO OR WHO -- YOU KNOW, WE HAVE 240,000 PEOPLE IN THE COUNTY AND 80 PEOPLE RESPONDED IN PERSON. AND WE HAD, WHATEVER, 900 IN SURVEYS.

>> SO IT'S A GREAT QUESTION. PART OF THE REASON WE PUSH TO DO THE STATISTICALLY VALID SURVEY AND COUPLE IT WITH AN ONLINE SURVEY IS IT CAN MEET PEOPLE WHERE THEY'RE AT. IF THEY WANT TO GIVE UP PUT, THEY CAN DO THAT. COVID WAS A TURNING POINT. PEOPLE JUST -- I DON'T KNOW WHY, DON'T WANT TO COME OUT ANYMORE UNLESS IT'S CONTROVERSIAL. IF WE WERE GOING TO PROPOSE PUTTING BASKETBALL COURT LIGHTS IN SOMEBODY'S BACKYARD, THEY WOULD COME OUT FOR SURE. SO IT'S HARD IN THE VISIONING PROCESS. THE FOCUS GROUP ATTENDANCE WAS GOOD.

THEY'RE MEANT TO BE SMALL BECAUSE THEY WERE MEANT OR THE CONVERSATIONS. THEY WEREN'T PUBLICLY ADVERTISED. THE PARKS DEPARTMENT DID A REALLY GREAT JOB OF GETTING THE PEOPLE THERE WHO WE NEEDED TO TALK TO. SO THAT'S -- THOSE ARE THE HYPERENGAGED PEOPLE WHO ARE INTERACTING WITH THE PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT ON A REGULAR BASIS. SO WE GOT A LOT OF GREAT INPUT FROM THEM, THE STATISTICALLY VALID SURVEY, WE RELY HEAVILY ON THAT. THEY GET TO THE MARGIN OF ERROR, THE STATISTIC MARGIN OF ERROR, THE 5.2% WE GOT ON THIS ONE, RSE IS VERY COMFORTABLE WITH THAT. BETTER THAN THEY'RE GETTING ON OTHER ONES NATIONWIDE. SO THEY WERE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT.

WHEN WE TAKE ALL OF THOSE METHODS OF INPUT, FACE-TO-FACE PUBLIC WORKSHOPS, ATTENDANCE IS DOWN EVERYWHERE. WE SOMETIMES WILL DO THEM AS PART OF A FESTIVAL AND WILL LITERALLY BE GRABBING PEOPLE AND SAYING COME TALK TO US ABOUT PARKS IN CLAY COUNTY, AND WE'LL GIVE OUT PRIZES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

BUT THAT IS A CAPTIVE AUDIENCE AND PEOPLE AREN'T READY TO TALK TO US UNTIL WE GRAB THEM AND ARM WRESTLE THEM TO TALK TO

US. IT'S PRETTY TYPICAL. >> THE OTHER QUESTION I HAVE IS I KNOW WE LIKE FIELDS, BUT DO WE LIKE PARKS? DO WE HAVE ANY

PARKS THAT ARE -- >> CURRENTLY PARKING LOT AREAS ARE LIT. LIKE MOODY AVENUE PARK, BUT OUR ACTUAL WALKING PATHS IN OUR PARKS ARE CURRENTLY NOT, SIR.

>> SO WE DON'T HAVE ANY WHAT I WOULD CONSIDER LIT PARKS. WE HAVE FIELDS, WE HAVE PARKING LOTS, BUT NOT THE PARK ITSELF.

>> THAT IS CORRECT, SIR. >> IT'S A GAME CHANGER TO BE ABLE TO GO TO A PARK UNTIL 9:00 IN JANUARY. IT REALLY. IS WE'RE NOT TALKING 11:00. WE'RE JUST TALKING 8:00 OR 9:00 AT NIGHT WHEN IT'S 69 DEGREES AND YOU WANT TO BLOW OFF STEAM. IT REALLY IS LIFE CHANGING FOR PEOPLE WHO LIVE CLOSE TO A PARK TO BE ABLE TO GET THEIR EASILY AFTER DARK IN THE WINTER.

>> ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE DOING, ACTUALLY, IN THIS FISCAL YEAR IS LIGHTING SOME OF OUR COURT AMENITIES. WE HAVE FUNDING FOR BASKETBALL, TENNIS, AND PICKLEBALL. WE'RE LOOKING AT LIGHTING COURTS OUTSIDE OF ATHLETIC COMPLEXES. TWO OF OUR PARKS HAVE COURTS LIT. PAUL ARMSTRONG PARK AND OMEGA. AS FAR AS INTERIOR WALKING PATHS, NO, SIR. ? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?

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>> NOT QUESTIONS, JUST SOME COMMENTS. I GOT THE OPPORTUNITY TO PARTICIPATE IN A GROUP, AND I WANT TO COMMEND THE PARKS DEPARTMENT FOR REACHING OUT TO LOCAL HEEDERS. EVERYBODY THAT WAS IN OUR FOCUS GROWN UP WERE THE DECISION MAKERS WITH PARKS AND ATHLETICS IN OUR COUNTY. AND IT JUST YET AGAIN REMINDED ME HOW DIVERSE WE ARE. WE HAD SOMEONE FROM A SENIOR CENTER THAT CAME AND THEN YOUTH SPORTS AND RECREATIONAL SPORTS, AND YOU KNOW, MAYBE LIKE A -- ONE THING THAT WAS VERY INTERESTING IS THE LEVEL OF SERVICE GAPS AS THE DEVELOPMENT CONTINUES TO TAKE PLACE. WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE DO HAVE THE ABILITY TO GO TO OUR PARKS. I'M EXCITED ABOUT THE STANDARDIZATION OF OUR BRAND AND EQUIPMENT. I THINK THAT'S TREMENDOUSLY IMPORTANT. IT'LL ALSO HELP US ON THE PURCHASING SIDE WHEN WE CAN BUY IN BULK ON THOSE TYPE OF THINGS. LASTLY, I THINK THAT IT'S ANOTHER LEVEL OF THIS THAT IS NOT IN THIS PLAN AS PARTNERING OUR PARKS WITH TOURISM. USING THE BONES THAT WE HAVE WITH A LOT OF OUR PARKS TO BRING MORE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT EVENTS TO CLAY. SO OVERALL I THOUGHT IT WAS REALLY

GOOD. >> THANK YOU.

>> OKAY, WELL THANK YOU VERY MUCH. APPRECIATE IT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR JUSTIN OR ANYTHING?

>> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH. HAPPY TIME.

[23.  Tourist Development Council Meeting Minutes September 4, 2024]

>> HAVE A GREAT THANKSGIVING TOO. I THINK WE'RE ON TO -- WE'RE DOWN TO LETTERS OF DOCUMENTATION. SO WE HAVE THE

[24.  Bid Opening Tabulations (K. Smith)]

[25.  City of GCS Community Redevelopment Area Budget for FY 24/25]

[26.  City of Keystone Heights Redevelopment Area Budget for FY 24/25]

[Selection of Chair and Vice Chair]

BE CHAIR NEXT YEAR. >> SOUND EFFECTS FROM THE

AUDIENCE. >> THERE WAS A GASP. I DON'T

KNOW WHO THAT CAME FROM. >> I'LL SECOND YOUR

NOMINATION. >> OKAY, ANY OTHER NOMINATIONS? I GUESS WE DON'T NEED TO VOTE ON THAT THEN. DO WE NEED A VOTE ON THAT? OKAY, WE DO NEED A VOTE. A VOICE VOTE, PAPER VOTE? VOICE IS GOOD. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

>> AYE. >> ANY NAYS LIKEWISE?

UNANIMOUS. >> APPRECIATE IT.

>> I WANT TO GIVE YOU THE GAVEL.

>> NO, NO, NOT YET. >> TAKE NOMINATIONS FOR VICE

CHAIR. >> I NOMINATE COMMISSIONER

BURKE FOR VICE CHAIR. >> I SECOND THE MOTION.

>> OKAY. I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY OTHER, I GUESS, ANY OTHER NOMINATIONS? OKAY, WE HAVE A MOTION FOR COMMISSIONER BURKE TO BE VICE CHAIR, ANY OTHER COMMENT, QUESTIONS, CONCERN? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

>> AYE. >> PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.

CONGRATULATIONS. NOW I'M GOING TO AWARD YOU THE GAVEL. YOU'RE THE NEW CHAIR, SO YOU CAN CLOSE THE MEETING.

>> YOU FINISH THE MEETING. >> PUBLIC COMMENTS?

>> DOES ANYONE WANT TO SPEAK FOR THE SECOND PUBLIC COMMENT?

THEY EALL LEFT. >> SEEING NONE, WE'RE GOING TO

[COMMISSION AUDITOR]

[COUNTY ATTORNEY]

[COUNTY MANAGER]

>> THANK YOU. COUNTY ATTORNEY? >> HAPPY THANKSGIVING.

>> COUNTY MANAGER? >> WOW. OKAY, CONGRATULATIONS CHAIRMAN CONDON AND VICE CHAIR BURKE. ALSO WANT TO CONGRATULATION OUR NEWEST COMMISSIONER, AND I'LL TELL YOU, IT T CEREMONY TODAY FOR THE SWEARING IN. I WANT TO THANK THE STAFF ON THAT, ESPECIALLY TERESA AND JUDY FOR SETTING UP ALL THE DETAILS OF THAT. OTHER THAN WISHING YOU ALL A HAPPY THANKSGIVING, I HAVE, PENDING ANY QUESTIONS, THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR THE BOARD. THANK YOU.

[COMMISSIONERS' COMMENTS]

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>> ALL RIGHT, COMMISSIONER COMMENTS? WHO WANTS TO START?

>> I'LL GO. IVE HAD A LOT OF MONTHS TO PRACTICE.

>> AND HE DOESN'T LIKE TO TALK MUCH.

>> YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT. NO, I'M GOING TO KEEP THIS AS QUICK AS I CAN. CONGRATULATIONS TO THE NEW CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR. THANK YOU SO MUCH TO THE STAFF. IT'S BEEN A WHIRLWIND OF SEVEN DAYS, BUT I'VE LEARNED SO MUCH ALREADY. AND THERE'S NOTHING LIKE THE CUSTOMER SERVICE AND JUST THE TEAM WORK IN GETTING ME ONBOARDED AND GETTING ME READY TO GO. SECONDLY, I WANTED TO GIVE A PLUG TO MY SON. HE WANTED TO MAKE SURE I LET EVERYONE KNOW HOW AWESOME TOUCH A TRUCK WAS A FEW WEEKS AGO. THANK YOU TO BAPTIST HEALTH AND ALL THE SPONSORS, GEORGE, GOOD JOB THERE. THAT EVENT IS TOTALLY FREEBASED ON PUBLIC -- EXCUSE ME, PARTNERSHIPS WITHIN THE COMMUNITY. WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO CHARLIE'S NEXT GO AROUND WITH THAT. REALLY EXCITING WITH THE HOLIDAYS.

TOMORROW THE MEDIA KICK-OFF DAY, NIGHT OF WONDERS AT THE ORANGE PARK MALL. SHOULD BE A FUN TIME. WE'VE BEEN SEEING THEM SET UP. I CALL IT THE WORLD FAMOUS GREEN COVE CHRISTMAS PARADE ON DECEMBER 7TH. IT'S THE ONE NIGHT I, YOU KNOW, WE WALK DOWN HIGHWAY 17. IT DOESN'T FEEL LIKE CLAY COUNTY, IT'S REALLY COOL. DECEMBER 14TH, THE CLAY COUNTY DAY OF CHRISTMAS CHEER. MIDDLEBURG, OAK LEAF, KEYSTONE, WHITEY'S FISH BOAT LIGHTED BOAT PARADE. A GREAT TIME TO CELEBRATE WITH OUR NEIGHBORS. DECEMBER # 0TH, THE ORANGE PARK FIRE TRUCK PARADE. LAST THING I WANT TO SAY IS I ASK THAT EVERYONE TAKE SOME TIME OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF DAYS TO TAKE A STEP BACK AND REMEMBER ALL THE THINGS THAT WE'RE GREAT.

FOR. ME PERSONALLY I'M EXTREMELY GRATEFUL FOR MY FAMILY, MY COWORKER, AND FRIENDS. BUT MOST OF ALL, I'M THANKFUL FOR OUR COMMUNITY NEAR CLAY COUNTY. I WISH EVERYONE A

VERY HAPPY THANKSGIVING. >> THANK YOU. ANYBODY ELSE WANT

TO GO? >> YOU WANT ME TO GO? OKAY, I'LL GO. FIRST AND FOREMOST, CONGRATS TO OUR NEW CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR. I KNOW THAT OUR LEADERSHIP IS IN GOOD HANDS.

SECOND, HAT TIP TO OUR NEWEST COMMISSIONER, I THINK YOU BEAT ME OUT NOW AS THE COMMISSIONER WITH THE HARDEST LAST NAME.

I'VE HEARD IT PRONOUNCED FOUR OR FIVE DIFFERENT WAYS TONIGHT.

YOU CAN HAVE THAT MANTLE ALONG WITH NEW BABY COMMISSIONER.

YOU'VE NAVIGATED CHALLENGING ISSUES VERY WELL AND VERY -- YOU'RE PENSIVE. I CAN APPRECIATE THAT. AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST, COUNTY STAFF, HAPPY THANKSGIVING. I KNOW THAT WE ARE -- IT'S ANOTHER LATE NIGHT, BUT I AM ESPECIALLY GRATEFUL AND I WANT TO TAKE THE TIME TO SAY THANK YOU FOR EVERY EFFORT TO DRAW US TOGETHER AND GET US THE INFORMATION THAT WE NEED IN ORDER TO MAKE DECISIONS FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE CONSTITUENTS OF CLAY COUNTY. WE CAN'T DO IT, THE FIVE OF US CAN'T DO IT ALONE, AND TIRELESSLY I SEE THE EFFORT, THE ATTENTION THAT IT'S TAKEN TO GET US UP TO SPEED ON THESE ISSUES. AND SO I JUST WANT TO WISH YOU A HAPPY THANKSGIVING AND A HAPPY HOLIDAY SEASON. BECAUSE DECEMBER 1, THAT'S SUNDAY, CHRISTMAS EVERYTHING, RIGHT? SO I'M REALLY EXCITED FOR OUR COUNTY AND WHAT WE GET TO DO OVER THE NEXT SEVERAL

WEEKS. >> BEEN CHRISTMAS FOR ABOUT

THREE WEEKS ALREADY. >> DEPENDING ON WHO YOU TALK,

TO YEAH. >> I HAVE, YOU KNOW, WITH EVERY FAREWELL, TONIGHT WE FAREWELLED MIKE, AND HOW MANY YEARS DID HE HAVE WITH THE COUNTY? DO YOU KNOW?

>> THREE TO FOUR. >> IS THAT ALL?

>> HE CAME FROM PUTNAM. >> SO ANYWAY, HE HAS SOME BIG SHOES TO FILL. HE'S ONE OF OUR KEY PLAYERS. WELCOME. WITH EVERY FAREWELL, YOU GET A WELCOME. JOHN, WELCOME TO THE COUNCIL. AND CONGRATULATIONS TO NEW CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR, I THINK, ARE IN ORDER. BUT ANYWAY, COUPLE THINGS TO REPORT. I'M THE HAPPIEST THAT THE CANVASSING BOARD IS COMPLETE FOR THE ELECTION. HOLY MACKEREL. THERE MUST HAVE BEEN 25, 30 MEETINGS THAT WE HAD TO ATTEND. AND THANK YOU FOR PARTICIPATING, MY COLLEAGUES UP HERE, FOR HELPING ME OUT WITH SOME OF THAT. GREAT EVENT LAST THURSDAY, I THINK IT WAS, FARM

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ANIMAL EVENT AT THE FAIR. >> YEAH.

>> YOU KNOW, SO SHE'S ALREADY EMAILED. I ASSUME EVERYONE TO COMMIT TO THE FAIR, TO, I GUESS THE KIDS LOVE, YOU KNOW, SHEPHERDING US AROUND AS WE TRY TO SHEPHERD THE ANIMALS AROUND, BUT IT WAS A GOOD EVENT LAST YEAR. SHE MAY BE LOOKING FORWARD TO IT, BUT I'M ALSO LOOKING FORWARD TO IT. I ATTENDED COLLEGE DRIVE INITIATIVE I THINK IT WAS LAST WEEK. AND THE REASON I BRING UP THESE WORKSHOPS AND SURVEYS IS I CAN'T TELL YOU THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO SAY I DIDN'T HEAR THIS COLLEGE DRIVE THING, WHERE DID THIS ALL COME FROM? AND I GO, WE'VE ONLY BEEN DEALING WITH IT FOR THREE YEARS. AND YET PEOPLE ARE STILL SAYING I DIDN'T KNOW IT WAS HAPPENING.

HOW DO I KNOW, YOU KNOW. SO IF THERE'S ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO EDUCATE AND INFORM PEOPLE, WE CERTAINLY WANT TO DO THAT. I SEE ERIC'S OUT THERE FROM NORTHEAST FLORIDA DILIGENTLY STAYING UNTIL THE BITTER END. SO THANK YOU FOR ATTENDING AND YOUR COMMITMENT TO THE REGION. YOU'RE A GREAT AMERICAN. SO AND LIKEWISE, I WISH EVERYONE A HAPPY THANKSGIVING. IT'S TIME TO BE THANKFUL FOR NOT JUST, YOU KNOW, THE PILGRIMS CAME OVER WITH TURKEYS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, BUT IT'S TIME TO BE THANKFUL FOR EVERYTHING, WHETHER IT BE FAMILY, FRIENDS, JOBS, WHATEVER, YOU KNOW. WE LIVE A GREAT LIFE HERE IN AMERICA, SO -- AND IT'S NOT FREE, OKAY? WE, AS YOU WELL KNOW, WE'RE HERE FOUR AND A HALF HOURS, FIVE HOURS HERE JUST TRYING TO RUN THE COUNTY BUSINESS. AND THIS IS ONE SMALL TOKEN OF WHAT WE DO. NOT EVEN CONCERNING WHAT WE DO TO PREPARE AND ANSWER EMAILS AND PHONE CALLS AND ALL THAT, BUT OVERALL I THINK WE CAN BE THANKFUL. ALL I CAN RELATE TO IS THE COMMENTS I GOT FROM THE BOULEVARD WHEN THEY WERE RESURFACING THAT. I MEAN, IT WAS HORRIBLE. UNTIL IT WAS DONE, AND THEN IT WAS WONDERFUL. SO I'M HOPING BTP WILL WORK THE SAME WAY. WE JUST HAVE TO WEATHER THROUGH IT, GRUNT THROUGH IT. I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE NICE ONCE THE ROADS ARE DONE AND THAT TYPE OF THING. SO YOU KNOW, STICK WITH IT. IT'LL ALL WORK OUT. THANK YOU.

>> COMMISSIONER BURKE? >> ALL RIGHT, SO I HAVE AN UPDATE I WANTED TO GIVE. I KNOW -- I THINK EVERYONE HERE, I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THE NEW COMMISSIONER, KNOWS ABOUT -- THAT I, ONE OF THE REASONS I RAN WAS DUE TO THE PROPERTY CONTAMINATION IN MY DISTRICT, IN MY BACKYARD PRETTY MUCH. AND SINCE I KNOW THE TASK FORCE WAS PUT TOGETHER AND I KNOW MOST OF THE BOARD HERE KNOWS THAT HAPPENED, WE'VE BEEN MEETING ONCE A MONTH. I'M THE ADVISOR AS A COMMISSIONER TO THE TASK FORCE. WE'VE HAD SOME REALLY GOOD THINGS HAPPEN RECENTLY.

EVEN BEFORE '95 WHENEVER THEY PULLED OUT, THE PROPERTY WAS ALLEGED TO BE FREE OF CONTAMINATION BY THE COMPANY.

GATHER DATA FROM LOCAL RESIDENTS, OF COURSE, BEFORE THE TASK FORCE WAS -- BEFORE IT CAME TOGETHER LAST YEAR, I HAD BEEN DOING A LOT OF IT ON MY OWN AND FOUND PAST EMPLOYEES, PAST RESIDENTS, PEOPLE WHOSE FAMILY MEMBERS HAD DIED IN THE AREA. AND OF COURSE, IT WAS HARD ON ONE PERSON IT'S KIND OF HARD TO GET SOMEBODY TO LISTEN TO YOU. SO THANKFULLY THE TASK FORCE FORMED. HELENA BACK IN THE AUDIENCE IS ONE OF OUR MEMBERS. AND WE ALSO BEFORE -- RIGHT BEFORE THE TASK FORCE FORMED, WE ACTUALLY TESTED DIFFERENT AREAS IN THE AREA AND FOUND ARSENIC AND CHROMIUM AND LEAD, HIGHER LEVELS OF ARSENIC THERE, LIKE IN THE CANAL THERE, BLACK CREEK, AND THE POND BEHIND MY HOUSE, THE LAKE BEHIND MY HOUSE. AND FROM OUR INFORMATION THAT WE GAVE TO DEP, THANKFULLY, THEY KIND OF, I GUESS THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO FORCE THEM TO TEST BUT DEP SAID THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE A GOOD IDEA. THE POTENTIAL DEVELOPER SAID HE WAS DOING HIS DUE DILIGENE AND DID SOME TESTING OUT ON THE PROPERTY AND LO AND BEHOLD, ARSENIC WAS FOUND ALL OVER THE PLACE. A LOT OF -- MOST OF IT TOO HIGH FOR

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SO ALTHOUGH THE TASK FORCE HAS PRESENTED NUMEROUS CONCERNS THAT HAVE YET TO BE ADEQUATELY ADDRESSED, THEY APPEAR TO HAVE TAKEN A MORE STRINGENT APPROACH. THAT IS A HUGE WIN BECAUSE IN THE PAST WE HAVE NOT FELT LIKE DEP WAS LISTENING. OF COURSE, WE DO KNOW FOR A FACT THEY GOT AWAY WITH A LOT OF STUFF, THINGS THEY WEREN'T SUPPOSED TO BE ALLOWED TO DO, BUT WE CONSIDER THAT A VERY BIG WIN TO KNOW THAT THEY ACTUALLY DID LISTEN. AND SO WE'RE GOING TO SEE WHAT'S UP NEXT BUT WE WILL CONTINUE TO PUSH AND PUSH AND PUSH. AND HOPEFULLY FOR THE SAFETY OF ALL THE PEOPLE IN THE AREA.

>> AND COMMISSIONER, I HAVE KNOWN HIM FAR WHILE. MY SON PLAYED BASEBALL UNDER HIM. I HAVE REALLY THOUGHT SO MUCH OF HIM AND HIS FAMILY AND SO I'M SO EXCITED TO BE ABLE TO SERVE NEXT TO YOU AND I THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A GREAT YEAR.

REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THINGS WE'RE GOING TO GET DONE.

YOU'VE ALREADY TOLD EVERYBODY ABOUT EVERYTHING HAPPENING IN THE DIFFERENT DISTRICTS, SO THAT'S GREAT. I'M JUST KIDDING. YOU CAN DO IT ANY TIME. BUT EVERYBODY, HAPPY THANKSGIVING. I AM, YOU KNOW, DEFINITELY, OF COURSE, WE ALL HAVE SO MUCH TO BE GRATEFUL FOR. SO BLESSED. I'M SO GRATEFUL FOR ALL OF YOU TO BE PATIENT WITH ME AND TO, YOU KNOW, THAT WE ARE -- CAN WORK TOGETHER AND NO MATTER IF WE DISAGREE AND WE DO MANY TIMES, WHICH IS WONDERFUL THAT WE HAVE THAT AND CAN TALK ABOUT IT. AND THEN WE ACTUALLY MOVE ON AND WE STILL COME TOGETHER AGAIN AS A BOARD, AS A TEAM. YOU DON'T SEE THAT MANY PLACES. SO I'M SO GRATEFUL FOR THAT. SO HAPPY

THANKSGIVING, EVERYONE. >> I JUST HAD ONE MORE COMMENT.

I WANT TO ALSO THANK PAST CHAIR FOR A JOB WELL DONE THIS PAST YEAR. WE VERY MUCH APPRECIATE YOUR LEADERSHIP. I ASKED YOU JUST A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO WHETHER YOU ENJOYED THIS PART OF THE JOB, AND YOU DID NOT RESERVE HOW MUCH YOU ENJOYED IT BUT THAT IT'S A LOT OF WORK. AND IF YOU WEREN'T DOING IT, ONE OF US WOULD HAVE TO DO IT, AND YOU DID A PHENOMENAL JOB.

AND I APPRECIATE YOUR LEADERSHIP. AND COMMISSIONER, IF YOU'RE LISTENING, THANK YOU FOR BEING A PHENOMENAL VICE CHAIR. HE WAS A GREAT SUPPORT TO THE COMMISSIONER AND I WOULD BE REMISS NOT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE TO THE BOARD THIS

LAST 12 MONTHS. >> I DON'T KNOW WHETHER YOU REMEMBER IT, BUT MY HAIR USED TO BE DARK LIKE YOURS. RIGHT,

DOUG? THANK YOU. >> I ECHO THOSE SENTIMENTS.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. JUST REAL QUICK. SO I'VE SPENT -- I HAVE -- FOR THE PAST FOUR YEARS I HAVE SERVED AS THE CHAIRMAN OF THE TRANSPORTATION DISADVANTAGED LOCAL COORDINATING BOARD CHAIRMAN, AND IT'S ONLY FOUR MEETINGS A YEAR. I'VE MISSED A COUPLE OF TIMES. A FEW OF YOU HAVE FILLED IN FOR ME. I'M HOPING SOMEBODY WILL TAKE THAT ON JUST BECAUSE IT'S ONLY FOUR MEETINGS A YEAR BUT IT'S IMPORTANT AND MOST OF THE TRANSPORTATION IS ACTUALLY NOT IN MY DISTRICT. AND SO ANYWAY, MAYBE BE THINKING ABOUT THAT IF YOU'D LIKE TO VOLUNTEER MAYBE LET TERESA KNOW AND WE CAN LOOK AT THAT. BUT SO ONE OF THE THINGS ABOUT THE LOCAL COORDINATING BOARD IS IT'S REQUIRED BY STATE STATUTE. IT'S UNDERNEATH THE NORTHEAST FLORIDA REGIONA COUNCIL. SUMMER JONES IS STAFF THAT DOES A PHENOMENAL JOB WITH THAT. BUT WE ARE REQUIRED TO HAVE THIS. AND WHAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO DO IS -- IT

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IT DOES MAKE A DIFFERENCE. SO CITIZEN INVOLVEMENT, NOT ON FACEBOOK BUT TAKING THE TIME TO COME TO THE COUNTY WEBSITE, LOOK AT THE AGENDA, CALL, EMAIL, SHOW UP, IT HELPS, I THINK ALL OF YOU WOULD AGREE. SO YOU DON'T CALL THE BRAND NEW COMMISSIONER OR ME, I WANT YOU TO REMEMBER TO PUT YOUR TRASH OUT WEDNESDAY NIGHT IF YOU HAVE A THURSDAY PICKUP.

THEY ARE NOT? >> I HEARD IT WAS TO DAY AFTER.

>> ON OUR WEBSITE IT SAYS CHRISTMAS DAY AND NEW YEAR'S

DAY. >> I WAS TOLD BY SOMEBODY? ENVIRONMENTAL SERVICES PICKUP WOULD BE FRIDAY.

>> OH GOSH, THIS IS NOT GOOD, Y'ALL. OUR WEBSITE SAYS CHRISTMAS DAY, NEW YEAR'S DAY. THIS IS -- OH.

>> WELL, IF THEY PUT IT OUT THE DAY BEFORE, IT'S OKAY, RIGHT?

>> NO, IF THEIR TRASH CANS ARE FULL ON WEDNESDAY BECAUSE THEY WERE EXPECTING A THURSDAY PICKUP, THEY'RE -- ALL THEIR THANKSGIVING TRASH, AND WE ONLY GIVE THEM THE ONE CAN. THIS IS AWFUL. I MEAN, REALLY, Y'ALL HAVE NO IDEA HOW MUCH MY PHONE

BLOWS UP ABOUT TRASH ANYWAY. >> DID WE COMMUNE THIS TO ANYBODY? WITH WASTE MANAGEMENT IT WAS ALWAYS CHRISTMAS DAY AND NEW YEAR'S DAY. WE HAVE NOT COMMUNICATED TO ANYBODY. WELL, WE HAVE TO WORK ON A BETTER SOLUTION FOR RESIDENTS FOR TRASH. AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT ENTAILS, BUT WE CUT RECYCLING, SO THEIR TRASH INCREASED. I KNOW THEY CAN ORDER ANOTHER CAN, AND I KNOW

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SO GET READY. SORRY ABOUT THAT. I THOUGHT I WAS HELPING YOU OUT. BUT I GUESS I'M GLAD I SAID IT. WELL, I WAS GOING TO END ON A GOOD NOTE, BUT ANYWAY, I WILL END OF A GOOD NOTE. I APPRECIATE YOUR CONFIDENCE IN ME AS YOUR NEXT CHAIR. TRY TO CREATE -- TO CONTROL THOSE EMOTIONS ABOUT TRASH AND I PRAY ALL THAT YOU HAVE A HAPPY AND SAFE THANKSGIVING AND FOR OUR STAFF TO ENJOY A THREE-DAY HOLIDAY WITH YOUR WEEKEND.

THOSE OF YOU WHO DON'T HAVE TO WORK, BUT I'M GRATEFUL FOR THOSE WHO DO, LIKE OUR SHERIFF'S DEPUTIES AND FIREFIGHTERS AND OTHER PEOPLE IN THE COUNTY WHO -- PUBLIC WORKS AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS THAT WILL RESPOND. SO THANK YOU. AND I

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